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if that happens, i guarantee the whole of ukraine will be turned into a giant crater as putin throws a fit	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
They are boiling water reactors so damaging the turbines would have radioactive consequences.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
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Why would a terrorist’s command room operate in a school? sic	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Ok let's operate in a building and put up sign outside it saying "Hamas Command Room Here" Concealment is key and sometimes the best places are in plan view.Now I'm not saying this was just a school or a command centre but it's war anything goes.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
So the white house would be deeply concerned	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Hard to find compassion on reddit, they think IDF and Israel are awesome	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
To protect themselves? They made a mistake in thinking IDF give a fuck about killing a bunch of kids	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Sticking to the theme here...Why doesn't IDF just drive there and go into the building and shoot the bad guys with guns?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
I am concerned about so many westerners including well meaning people, journalists, and leaders falling into this Hamas trap over and over again. Everyone knows full well that Hamas cynically and purposefully hides command nodes, fighters, ammunition, etc. in places such as former schools. Hamas understands that if (when!) Israel inevitably attacks, civilians will die. As a result the focus shifts from Hamas and Palestinian hostility to vilification of Israel. Hamas leaders have described this intentional strategy on the record. Yet "journalists" and now our leading candidate for President (whom i happen to otherwise support) go on about how Israel is killing civilians - as if that's their purpose. They call for a cease fire without condemning hamas' use of human shields and without calling for hamas to stand down. (At least they do call for return of the hostages.). They ignore the extraordinary measures israel takes to minimize civilian casualties and demand more. What do any of these critics expect israel to do? Israel has a right and responsibility to defend itself. Allowing Hamas and other hostile groups to have safe spaces when they violate international law by hiding among civilians is not a legitimate, credible, or wise option.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Dude! Hamas commanders and fighters were literally in the same building. Do you have any military training or a background in international law? Or maybe a degree in the history of urban warfare? Do you know anything about all the measures israel takes everyday to minimize civilian casualties? Israel calls off strikes all the time. In some cases however, yes they choose to go forward based on intelligence. Also, do you just believe the claims of hamas ministry about the number and nature of those killed? You understand they make no distinction between civilians and fighters. They label teenagers who are armed and trained to fight as children. I understand nobody (including israelis!) wants to see kids and women killed, but believe it or not - the ratio of those deaths to males of fighting age is better in this conflict than many others (including wars in which the US has fought). Btw: Do you have any anger for hamas over this specific incident or just Israel?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Now you're just being ignorant here: Of ~30 ppl killed 19 were confirmed high ranking terrorists This is war, not a video game. Collateral damages are unavoidable One must never forget: Each one of these terrorists staying alive means dead Israeli citizens in the future	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Never said that... But by your logic Hamas can operate with impunity by just surrounding themselves with women and children (to do so used to be considered cowardly but i digress) and Israel's hands would be tied. How do you think that would work out for them? Don't play stupid.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Maybe give them more billions to spend on weapons eh?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Literally any other country would do this to keep their own citizens safe. I don’t get why this is even a question. Also, why waste time sending valuable soldiers into a possible ambush and risk them getting killed when I could just send one missile?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
the idf wouldn't do it because those are their civilians. that's not the same as it not being militarily justified. israel frequently makes decisions that are strategically poor because of the very high value they place on Israeli lives. that doesn't mean they're obligated to do the same with civilians of an enemy nation.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
lol shut up, you have senior ministers morally justifying the starvation of Palestinians and half the country defending IDF soldiers in raping Palestinians, Fuck Hamas but both sides deserve each other in that conflict	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
> Of ~30 ppl killed Where's that number from by the way? I can't find any statement from the IDF about what they think is the total number killed by the air strike, just that the Hamas figures of 90-100 are exaggerated.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
It's two different areas, that's happening in the west bank and they are extremists that the majority of Israelis do not support. It's absolutely not right. The current round of escalation is in the Gaza Strip, Israel withdrew all settlements from Gaza in 2005. The current conflict is a result of the Hamas led terrorist attack of October 7th.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Lol, you're acting as if people haven't actually been asking that type of question.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
It’s not a school anymore though? There aren’t any operating schools in Gaza now.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Hamas is the one putting Israel between a rock and a hard place. Hamas forces Israel to either choose between killing palestinian children or risking Israel's security. Israel then is 'willfully choosing' the former. Also worth noting that for the last few years Israel choose the former, with a very limited responses to Gaza's attacks and threats. Israel regreted it on 7.10 and changed their approach.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
It’s not a school anymore though? Are you aware there are no operating schools in Gaza anymore?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
>If you had one terrorist on your block how would you feel about the government bombing your entire block and family? I get that you feel really smart making this analogy, but it's got no bearing on the situation Israel is actually faced with in this war.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
If America took out a school of children to get Bin Laden, would the world support it?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Most western leaders and certainly the top 5 supporters of Israel have called for a ceasefire - how is that not an alternative?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
My friend infiltrated a school and only found material on raising a child to be a martyr and very little educational material. There will be peace when educational reform happens in Gaza after decades of progress.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
And there it is	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
$3.5 billion dollars worth of "concern?" How many innocent children can we kill for $3.5 billion US dollars? What a fucking travesty.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Agree it's a rock and hard place. But it's also not like the only choice is bombing or doing nothing. Most analyses agree they can lower civilian casualties with a ground force instead of bombing.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
The only reason Israeli civilian death rate is much lower is because of the Iron Dome. Without it: the Israeli civilian death rate would be significantly higher than the Palestinian death rate.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Most analyses agree they can lower civilian casualties with a ground force instead of bombing.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Did Bloomberg edit this? I've seen the screenshot of the article mentioning a revised form tally, but the current version doesn't appear to show it.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
But 100 makes Israel seem worse, so we’ll go with that. /s	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Yes. It’s clearly winning. Hamas ability to strike Israel has been greatly diminished.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
Here's my complaint: Israel missile strikes these places and civilians die along with Hamas. I have no issue with Hamas dying. I have an issue with civilians dying. Therefore I don't support missile strikes like that. I would much prefer Israeli ground operations where they enter the building and can distinguish civilians vs targets, especially with the amount of information they seem to have on who's working with Hamas. It's far more dangerous for Israel obviously, but I'm comfortable putting the soldiers at more risk to keep civilians safer. Go ahead and point out every flaw in my idea, but you can't change my mind that the children in Gaza's lives are an acceptable sacrifice	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-10-08
You can just go to x or Facebook, pick a random picture and make a nice title like Jews eating Palestina babies for barmitswa. People believe it an share it	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Well the 14,000 civilians listed by Israel that they have killed and the 9,500 children in that number did do the attacking. But not like to give a shit about those civilians or children right? According to people like you they are just terrorists that have not actualized.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Because they are fanatics \[and because they know Israel will kill them either way\] - doesn't Israel wish to be better than them? I understand its a difficult situation, it can even seem like an impossible trap, but the casual indifference to Palestinian lives shown by so many Israel-advocates in these sort of threads is no less horrific than the alternative. Let me put it to you like this - you're a Palestinian civilian, you know that neither Hamas nor Israel particularly care if you live or die. But one doesnt care if you live or die and wants to take "your" land and is supposedly the cause of all your suffering, the other doesn't care if you live or die but is fighting to reclaim "your" land and freedom. Who would you side with? Israel's indifference isn't the solution to this issue in Gaza, its perpetuating the problem - when people feel like they have nothing to lose and that life is cheap then they fight for even a glimmer of hope. Israel isn't offering any, Hamas is - even if that hope is just fool's gold. This is why until things change this will be a never-ending cycle, because no matter how many are killed, so long as these people see no other way out, then there will always be new Hamas. It may not be fair but the only way for things to change will be with Israel first - precisely because as I said above, Hamas are fanatics and Israel purports to be better than them.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
That’s interesting. So you’re saying that since Hamas started the war that all Palestinian people are the enemy of Israel?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
White House so “concerned,” it probably wants to send a couple more billions in weapons to Israel.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Do you think it doesn't work the other way around with Israel being attacked on October 7th? Whenever I hear about martyrs I just think of how bad a religion like Islam is to a peaceful society.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Israel is in the holy land, but they aren't the word of God. And btw, it's always the same news site being posted here out of Israel, not others too. On Jordan, from your wonderful attitude, because Israel said they have permission, and Jordan said no, Israel is right? Cool, how about Israel just runs the entire Middle East as so many people think they should. You're delusional to just trust the most pro-Israeli sites and can't even fathom they could lie or fudge the numbers. Let's all worship Israel and Bibi	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Here's the unfortunate, uncomfortable truth you're simply going to have to come to terms with: there is no way to end any war without civilian casualties. This is doubly so when Hamas is causing them intentionally through their actions. Every single war since the inception of warfare as a concept has had civilian casualties, no matter how determined people have been to reduce them. As far as the current conflict between Israel and Hamas, the civilian casualties per capita are among some of the lowest recorded in all of history. Are civilian casualties morally acceptable? Not really. But allowing Hamas to claim impunity from punishment for their terroristic, genocidal actions by using civilians as a shield is far worse. What do you think happens if we do that? Russia, China, hell, even the US if some fuckwit wins the next election might do the same. The laws of warfare themselves break down, and you're essentially back to the mass bloodshed of warfare in the 18th and 19th centuries.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
>Because they are fanatics \[and because they know Israel will kill them either way\] - doesn't Israel wish to be better than them? Israel won't kill their families conditional on surrender. At some point, the calculus they have should be the same as Germany or Japan or WW2. >Who would you side with? Both sides suck. I would have emigrated years ago from Gaza - it's hopeless there. > when people feel like they have nothing to lose and that life is cheap then they fight for even a glimmer of hope. The place went from a typical middle income country to hellhole pretty quick. They definitely lost a lot.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Is that how your country would handle a hostage situation? Just kill everyone?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Any half competent military would do that	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
You're forgetting the part where the sniper rifles are only as accurate as their users and the systems supporting them. They can hit at that range under ideal conditions. Conditions are not always ideal, and most people are not capable of the accuracy needed to make such shots, even with assistive systems like range finders and calculators for wind, the Coriolis effect, and other external factors. That's why not everybody is a marksman.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Are the children shooting them?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
“extraordinary measures Israel takes to minimize civilian casualties.” - If these are the extraordinary measures I sure as hell wouldn’t want to see the ordinary ones.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
I never argue for impunity for them. I argue that there's a way to do better. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Just because we can't get rid of all civilian casualties doesn't mean I shouldn't speak out about the ones that are happening.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
We should just all-out destroy the Earth. We could get every last one of them there combatants.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
As I've already said that is only true in specific cases and you have ignored the truth. It's funny that you think I'm mad, let's look at the downvotes to tally who's really the mad ones here. What you are doing is encouraging Israel to destroy itself. Hamas can't do it through force alone, but sure as shit they are getting what they want when Israel behaves this way. Eventually they will bleed enough support that a coalition of arab states can take them out and nobody will step in to stop it.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Oh, so what you are claiming is that the school was completely unharmed and zero civilians were killed? No buildings were damaged or civilians hurt in other recent events either?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Not really.. There's a reason special forces and SEALS exist. Does Israel not have them? It seems like every solution is bombs.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Yes, as in they send millions of phone calls, text messages, leaflet drops, double knocks, careful selection of munitions, they frequently call off strikes, etc. Cases like this one are usually avoided. I guarantee you Israel does more in this regard than virtually any other military on the planet. That said, Hamas are the ones intentionally putting the lives of their own innocents at risk - they bear the ultimate responsibility. They've said so themselves. Or just go on being ignorant of those facts and spread the lie that the Israelis are purposeful in targeting civilians.... doing so isn't helping to end the war. My whole point is that it actually prolongs it by encouraging Hamas to continue in this way and just leads to more suffering and death on both sides.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
This specific case, the one we are talking about, is not a war crime. I gotta tell ya the 19 terrorists they’ve shown so far really don’t look like fifth graders. I’m sorry reality didn’t align with your racist hatred, must be a bitch for you, oof.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Crocodile tears😭	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
I know I'm gonna get yelled at here but.. Does Israel not have a SEALS or Special Forces equivalent? It seems like all the news coming out is them just bombing shit.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
They have already released the names of 19 operatives they say they've killed in the strike.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
All the other news sources have it as they estimated 40 and now estimate near 100. Someone has it wrong, time will tell.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
So you are just going to take their word for it? Why would Israel show you pictures of civilians they accidentally killed? Are you really that naive? Speaking of oof. LOL.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
I am making the arguments presented here precisely because I want to see the war end and hope that people on both sides will be able to live normal lives in safety. Buying into and promoting Hamas propaganda and blaming Israel exclusively for the deaths of Palestinian civilians are lies and are not helping to end the war. Promoting these untruths is actually prolonging the conflict by encouraging Hamas to continue the fight using the same old tactics that contribute to these kind of results. Put pressure on Israel if you wish - but learn what they actually do and how that compares to other wars in other places before reaching conclusions based on selected incidents. If you are going to do that, you must also hold Hamas accountable for hiding military commanders, fighters, and supplies among civilians in violation of international law.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Well no, they had pictures of the dead terrorists. I like evidence and you do not.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Should be. They could've just done a ground operation instead and gotten the civilians out. But Israel won't, because they enjoy killing civilians.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Because the Hamas are terrorists?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
They blew up a God damn school would it be so wrong to ask them to justify it with the evidence they had	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Special forces rescued four hostages, they barely survived. (And one commander sadly died)	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Can anyone explain why Hamas chose to place their military operatives and arms supplies within a school? This is not the first time either. I'm trying to figure out what their intentions were here... RIP to all the innocent victims of this war.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
the people making this argument see no humanity. so many comments here saying "that's what those innocent civilians deserve." sickening.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
You are wrong	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
The fact that you think I give a singular fuck if every single piece of shit hamas member meets a violent and deserved end tells me all I need to know about your reasoning skills. I utterly despise everything they stand for but here you are drivelling on about how they are my team. There is nothing to be gained by discussing anything with you. Good night.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
They released proof about the hospital so I’m sure some will come out about this school albeit in a few months	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
There's an entire generation in the US that has grown up entirely without war and consuming literal propaganda on TikTok. Their understanding of warfare is based on movies where the good guys never harm a single innocent.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Israel revealed who was targeted and killed including roles. More than that you're not gonna get as it's literally operational intelligence and no one is going to release that publicly	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
The Geneva Convention says they forfeit their protected status, yes. But other parts of the conventions stipulate that expected collateral damage of any attack must not be disproportionate to the military value achieved by the attack. If it is, the attack must not be carried out.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
While they're definitely a bunch of baboons with smooth brains, Hamas are very strategic about this war. Fair fight, 1v1 with Israel and the entire organization is wiped out in a matter of weeks. They know this so they don't fight fair. They use the west's ideologies against the west itself. They know Israel has moral code to keep, since Israel has been trying to improve political aliances with the west since day one. The problem is that Israel's in war with a terror group in the middle east. Western rules, unfortunately, don't apply. The western media are a bunch of clown for never recognizing that. I see "ISRAEL HAS STRUCK A HOSPITAL" or "A SCHOOL HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN BY ISRAEL IN GAZA" articles every day. Did someone stop to figure out why are civilians sites taken down? Why don't I see articles about the ammunition and terrorists hiding inside said hospitals and schools. It's like the west wants itself to lose. Insanity	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
It shows the capability of the cameras teaching Hamas how to hide their weapons better. This is basic stuff. You don’t share intelligence like this with the public	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
The end goal is peace. Not a ceasefire that does nothing but push the issues back another 10 years. Peace	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Um, I think Hamas would know their stuff got blown up without the cameras.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
That reasoning breaks down entirely when the people being used as human shields get radicalized into joining Hamas, because from their perspective they only see the attack, not the justification used to make it. This is the difference between a nation at war that recruits through propaganda, from nominally-peaceful cities to fight elsewhere, and one where they're recruiting from people living inside the battleground itself. Shooting the human shields to discourage the use of human shields only works if the humans being used as shields are part of a collective hivemind with the ones hiding behind them, so that harm to one is equal to harm to the other. So depending on whether you mentally categorize Hamas and Palestinians as the same group, or as different groups, your reasoning is either correct or utterly flawed.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
And when the enemy wants you to shoot the human shields? Your reasoning works for an enemy who doesn't want you to shoot either themselves or the person they're hiding behind, or at least doesn't benefit if the shield gets shot. Your reasoning fails when shooting the shield is a propaganda win for them amongst the people being used as human shields in the first place.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
So it’s kinda ok to murder children just because some asshats decided it’s not “a war crime”?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Who the fuck cares what a “war crime” is? Children are being murdered! What the hell is your point?? It’s ok to murder children just because “it’s nOt a wAr CrIMe”?? Fuck I hate it here. The White House is pathetic with it’s fake “concern” over murdered civilians.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
I'd link those people to [rule 10 of the international humanitarian law database](https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule10#:~:text=of%20an%20object-,Rule%2010.,as%20they%20are%20military%20objectives.). I would try to make sure they understand that Hamas, not Israel is doing something illegal when Israel blows up a hospital. Then they might shift the discussion away from the rule of law by saying "even if it's legal, that doesn't make it right". Then I'd question them on what right means. If they were in charge of creating these laws, how would they write them? Should a nation not be allowed to strike back against terrorists if those terrorists simply hide in schools and hospitals? Would that not make it easy for terrorists to abuse these rules and get away with torture/rape as much as they want, simply by hiding inside schools and hospitals? If you don't like the law as it is written now, propose an alternative.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
The corillary is that any civilian facility used for military purposes was a legitimate military target. Governments didn't want to get their own non-combatants killed so they kept civilians away from military operations. I can't think of another time in history when a government has wanted it's civilians to die. Nobody wants Palestinians dead more than Hamas. The inflow of stealable aid money depends on it.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
This is also why most of the recently declassfied "UAP" videos were classified in the first place. Not because the US Navy thought that foreign states would care about the blurry outline of a goose, but because they'd care about the camera that captured it.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Hamas operating out of a civilian building is literally them committing a war crime.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
I’m sorry “UAP”?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
They just the same tactics America used in the Middle East: every male aged 16+ is Hamas.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
so are the IDF troops that carry rifles while out at a restaurant a valid target for Hamas to blow up the whole restaurant?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Something had to be against the law to be a crime. "Warcrime" does not mean horrible thing you don't like.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Not make everything ok but is a very principled individual	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
And why do you think a ground assault will cause less collateral damage?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Do you think the “stealable aid money” comes on trucks into Gaza or something?	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Imagine thinking that the only way someone would oppose the deliberate killing of tens of thousands of civilians is if they were brainwashed by propaganda	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
I'm not sure I understand your point. A lot of women don't take their husband's last name.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
No one is sending their troops to die in urban warfare when a bomb can do the job. It's almost like the world learned from Fallujah. It's pretty easy to understand. "Our soldiers are more important to us than your civilians." It's what literally every country does.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
Israel isn't trying to "be the good guy" they're trying to take out an existential threat to their existence. Welcome to war in the 2nd most densely populated place on the planet. Israel isn't going to risk their troops when a bomb can do the job. It can't get any more cut and dry.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-11-08
>Aight, this is in direct contradiction to your earlier statement that "nothing justifies violence against Israel." I should be clear that I'm not the one that said that. If it were me, I'd be specific and say that nothing justifies October 7th. >They were still blockaded and prevented from being sovereign. Being blockaded was unfortunately very well justified. Prevented from being sovereign, by whom? Which side was the bigger barrier to peace talks that would give Palestine a state? >So is Likud. That may be true. But Israel is a democracy so Likud isn't omnipotent and isn't always in power. Israel made peace deals in 2000 and 2008 which got rejected.	r/worldnews	comment	r/worldnews	2024-12-08

if that happens, i guarantee the whole of ukraine will be turned into a giant crater as putin throws a fit

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They are boiling water reactors so damaging the turbines would have radioactive consequences.

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*Why would a terrorist’s command room operate in a school?* sic

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Ok let's operate in a building and put up sign outside it saying "Hamas Command Room Here" Concealment is key and sometimes the best places are in plan view.Now I'm not saying this was just a school or a command centre but it's war anything goes.

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So the white house would be deeply concerned

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Hard to find compassion on reddit, they think IDF and Israel are awesome

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To protect themselves? They made a mistake in thinking IDF give a fuck about killing a bunch of kids

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Sticking to the theme here...Why doesn't IDF just drive there and go into the building and shoot the bad guys with guns?

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I am concerned about so many westerners including well meaning people, journalists, and leaders falling into this Hamas trap over and over again. Everyone knows full well that Hamas cynically and purposefully hides command nodes, fighters, ammunition, etc. in places such as former schools. Hamas understands that if (when!) Israel inevitably attacks, civilians will die. As a result the focus shifts from Hamas and Palestinian hostility to vilification of Israel. Hamas leaders have described this intentional strategy on the record. Yet "journalists" and now our leading candidate for President (whom i happen to otherwise support) go on about how Israel is killing civilians - as if that's their purpose. They call for a cease fire without condemning hamas' use of human shields and without calling for hamas to stand down. (At least they do call for return of the hostages.). They ignore the extraordinary measures israel takes to minimize civilian casualties and demand more. What do any of these critics expect israel to do? Israel has a right and responsibility to defend itself. Allowing Hamas and other hostile groups to have safe spaces when they violate international law by hiding among civilians is not a legitimate, credible, or wise option.

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Dude! Hamas commanders and fighters were literally in the same building. Do you have any military training or a background in international law? Or maybe a degree in the history of urban warfare? Do you know anything about all the measures israel takes everyday to minimize civilian casualties? Israel calls off strikes all the time. In some cases however, yes they choose to go forward based on intelligence. Also, do you just believe the claims of hamas ministry about the number and nature of those killed? You understand they make no distinction between civilians and fighters. They label teenagers who are armed and trained to fight as children. I understand nobody (including israelis!) wants to see kids and women killed, but believe it or not - the ratio of those deaths to males of fighting age is better in this conflict than many others (including wars in which the US has fought). Btw: Do you have any anger for hamas over this specific incident or just Israel?

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2024-10-08

Now you're just being ignorant here: Of ~30 ppl killed 19 were confirmed high ranking terrorists This is war, not a video game. Collateral damages are unavoidable One must never forget: Each one of these terrorists staying alive means dead Israeli citizens in the future

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2024-10-08

Never said that... But by your logic Hamas can operate with impunity by just surrounding themselves with women and children (to do so used to be considered cowardly but i digress) and Israel's hands would be tied. How do you think that would work out for them? Don't play stupid.

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2024-10-08

Maybe give them more billions to spend on weapons eh?

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2024-10-08

Literally any other country would do this to keep their own citizens safe. I don’t get why this is even a question. Also, why waste time sending valuable soldiers into a possible ambush and risk them getting killed when I could just send one missile?

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2024-10-08

the idf wouldn't do it because those are their civilians. that's not the same as it not being militarily justified. israel frequently makes decisions that are strategically poor because of the very high value they place on Israeli lives. that doesn't mean they're obligated to do the same with civilians of an enemy nation.

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2024-10-08

lol shut up, you have senior ministers morally justifying the starvation of Palestinians and half the country defending IDF soldiers in raping Palestinians, Fuck Hamas but both sides deserve each other in that conflict

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2024-10-08

> Of ~30 ppl killed Where's that number from by the way? I can't find any statement from the IDF about what they think is the total number killed by the air strike, just that the Hamas figures of 90-100 are exaggerated.

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2024-10-08

It's two different areas, that's happening in the west bank and they are extremists that the majority of Israelis do not support. It's absolutely not right. The current round of escalation is in the Gaza Strip, Israel withdrew all settlements from Gaza in 2005. The current conflict is a result of the Hamas led terrorist attack of October 7th.

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2024-10-08

Lol, you're acting as if people haven't actually been asking that type of question.

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2024-10-08

It’s not a school anymore though? There aren’t any operating schools in Gaza now.

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2024-10-08

Hamas is the one putting Israel between a rock and a hard place. Hamas forces Israel to either choose between killing palestinian children or risking Israel's security. Israel then is 'willfully choosing' the former. Also worth noting that for the last few years Israel choose the former, with a very limited responses to Gaza's attacks and threats. Israel regreted it on 7.10 and changed their approach.

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2024-10-08

It’s not a school anymore though? Are you aware there are no operating schools in Gaza anymore?

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2024-10-08

>If you had one terrorist on your block how would you feel about the government bombing your entire block and family? I get that you feel really smart making this analogy, but it's got *no* bearing on the situation Israel is actually faced with in this war.

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2024-10-08

If America took out a school of children to get Bin Laden, would the world support it?

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2024-10-08

Most western leaders and certainly the top 5 supporters of Israel have called for a ceasefire - how is that not an alternative?

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2024-10-08

My friend infiltrated a school and only found material on raising a child to be a martyr and very little educational material. There will be peace when educational reform happens in Gaza after decades of progress.

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2024-10-08

And there it is

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2024-10-08

$3.5 billion dollars worth of "concern?" How many innocent children can we kill for $3.5 billion US dollars? What a fucking travesty.

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2024-10-08

Agree it's a rock and hard place. But it's also not like the only choice is bombing or doing nothing. Most analyses agree they can lower civilian casualties with a ground force instead of bombing.

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2024-10-08

The only reason Israeli civilian death rate is much lower is because of the Iron Dome. Without it: the Israeli civilian death rate would be significantly higher than the Palestinian death rate.

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2024-10-08

Most analyses agree they can lower civilian casualties with a ground force instead of bombing.

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2024-10-08

Did Bloomberg edit this? I've seen the screenshot of the article mentioning a revised form tally, but the current version doesn't appear to show it.

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2024-10-08

But 100 makes Israel seem worse, so we’ll go with that. /s

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2024-10-08

Yes. It’s clearly winning. Hamas ability to strike Israel has been greatly diminished.

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2024-10-08

Here's my complaint: Israel missile strikes these places and civilians die along with Hamas. I have no issue with Hamas dying. I have an issue with civilians dying. Therefore I don't support missile strikes like that. I would much prefer Israeli ground operations where they enter the building and can distinguish civilians vs targets, especially with the amount of information they seem to have on who's working with Hamas. It's far more dangerous for Israel obviously, but I'm comfortable putting the soldiers at more risk to keep civilians safer. Go ahead and point out every flaw in my idea, but you can't change my mind that the children in Gaza's lives are an acceptable sacrifice

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2024-10-08

You can just go to x or Facebook, pick a random picture and make a nice title like Jews eating Palestina babies for barmitswa. People believe it an share it

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2024-11-08

Well the 14,000 civilians listed by Israel that they have killed and the 9,500 children in that number did do the attacking. But not like to give a shit about those civilians or children right? According to people like you they are just terrorists that have not actualized.

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2024-11-08

Because they are fanatics \[and because they know Israel will kill them either way\] - doesn't Israel wish to be better than them? I understand its a difficult situation, it can even seem like an impossible trap, but the casual indifference to Palestinian lives shown by so many Israel-advocates in these sort of threads is no less horrific than the alternative. Let me put it to you like this - you're a Palestinian civilian, you know that neither Hamas nor Israel particularly care if you live or die. But one doesnt care if you live or die and wants to take "your" land and is supposedly the cause of all your suffering, the other doesn't care if you live or die but is fighting to reclaim "your" land and freedom. Who would you side with? Israel's indifference isn't the solution to this issue in Gaza, its perpetuating the problem - when people feel like they have nothing to lose and that life is cheap then they fight for even a glimmer of hope. Israel isn't offering any, Hamas is - even if that hope is just fool's gold. This is why until things change this will be a never-ending cycle, because no matter how many are killed, so long as these people see no other way out, then there will always be new Hamas. It may not be fair but the only way for things to change will be with Israel first - precisely because as I said above, Hamas are fanatics and Israel purports to be better than them.

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2024-11-08

That’s interesting. So you’re saying that since Hamas started the war that all Palestinian people are the enemy of Israel?

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2024-11-08

White House so “concerned,” it probably wants to send a couple more billions in weapons to Israel.

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2024-11-08

Do you think it doesn't work the other way around with Israel being attacked on October 7th? Whenever I hear about martyrs I just think of how bad a religion like Islam is to a peaceful society.

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2024-11-08

Israel is in the holy land, but they aren't the word of God. And btw, it's always the same news site being posted here out of Israel, not others too. On Jordan, from your wonderful attitude, because Israel said they have permission, and Jordan said no, Israel is right? Cool, how about Israel just runs the entire Middle East as so many people think they should. You're delusional to just trust the most pro-Israeli sites and can't even fathom they could lie or fudge the numbers. Let's all worship Israel and Bibi

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2024-11-08

Here's the unfortunate, uncomfortable truth you're simply going to have to come to terms with: *there is no way to end any war without civilian casualties.* This is doubly so when Hamas is causing them intentionally through their actions. Every single war since the inception of warfare as a concept has had civilian casualties, no matter how determined people have been to reduce them. As far as the current conflict between Israel and Hamas, the civilian casualties *per capita* are among some of the lowest recorded in all of history. Are civilian casualties morally acceptable? Not really. But allowing Hamas to claim impunity from punishment for their terroristic, genocidal actions by using civilians as a shield is far worse. What do you think happens if we do that? Russia, China, hell, even the US if some fuckwit wins the next election might do the same. The laws of warfare themselves break down, and you're essentially back to the mass bloodshed of warfare in the 18th and 19th centuries.

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2024-11-08

>Because they are fanatics \[and because they know Israel will kill them either way\] - doesn't Israel wish to be better than them? Israel won't kill their families conditional on surrender. At some point, the calculus they have should be the same as Germany or Japan or WW2. >Who would you side with? Both sides suck. I would have emigrated years ago from Gaza - it's hopeless there. > when people feel like they have nothing to lose and that life is cheap then they fight for even a glimmer of hope. The place went from a typical middle income country to hellhole pretty quick. They definitely lost a lot.

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2024-11-08

Is that how your country would handle a hostage situation? Just kill everyone?

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2024-11-08

Any half competent military would do that

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2024-11-08

You're forgetting the part where the sniper rifles are only as accurate as their users and the systems supporting them. They can hit at that range under *ideal conditions.* Conditions are not always ideal, and most people are not capable of the accuracy needed to make such shots, even with assistive systems like range finders and calculators for wind, the Coriolis effect, and other external factors. That's why not everybody is a marksman.

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2024-11-08

Are the children shooting them?

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2024-11-08

“extraordinary measures Israel takes to minimize civilian casualties.” - If these are the extraordinary measures I sure as hell wouldn’t want to see the ordinary ones.

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2024-11-08

I never argue for impunity for them. I argue that there's a way to do better. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Just because we can't get rid of all civilian casualties doesn't mean I shouldn't speak out about the ones that are happening.

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2024-11-08

We should just all-out destroy the Earth. We could get every last one of them there combatants.

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2024-11-08

As I've already said that is only true in specific cases and you have ignored the truth. It's funny that you think I'm mad, let's look at the downvotes to tally who's really the mad ones here. What you are doing is encouraging Israel to destroy itself. Hamas can't do it through force alone, but sure as shit they are getting what they want when Israel behaves this way. Eventually they will bleed enough support that a coalition of arab states can take them out and nobody will step in to stop it.

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2024-11-08

Oh, so what you are claiming is that the school was completely unharmed and zero civilians were killed? No buildings were damaged or civilians hurt in other recent events either?

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2024-11-08

Not really.. There's a reason special forces and SEALS exist. Does Israel not have them? It seems like every solution is bombs.

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2024-11-08

Yes, as in they send millions of phone calls, text messages, leaflet drops, double knocks, careful selection of munitions, they frequently call off strikes, etc. Cases like this one are usually avoided. I guarantee you Israel does more in this regard than virtually any other military on the planet. That said, Hamas are the ones intentionally putting the lives of their own innocents at risk - they bear the ultimate responsibility. They've said so themselves. Or just go on being ignorant of those facts and spread the lie that the Israelis are purposeful in targeting civilians.... doing so isn't helping to end the war. My whole point is that it actually prolongs it by encouraging Hamas to continue in this way and just leads to more suffering and death on both sides.

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2024-11-08

This specific case, the one we are talking about, is not a war crime. I gotta tell ya the 19 terrorists they’ve shown so far really don’t look like fifth graders. I’m sorry reality didn’t align with your racist hatred, must be a bitch for you, oof.

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2024-11-08

Crocodile tears😭

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2024-11-08

I know I'm gonna get yelled at here but.. Does Israel not have a SEALS or Special Forces equivalent? It seems like all the news coming out is them just bombing shit.

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2024-11-08

They have already released the names of 19 operatives they say they've killed in the strike.

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2024-11-08

All the other news sources have it as they estimated 40 and now estimate near 100. Someone has it wrong, time will tell.

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2024-11-08

So you are just going to take their word for it? Why would Israel show you pictures of civilians they accidentally killed? Are you really that naive? Speaking of oof. LOL.

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2024-11-08

I am making the arguments presented here precisely because I want to see the war end and hope that people on both sides will be able to live normal lives in safety. Buying into and promoting Hamas propaganda and blaming Israel exclusively for the deaths of Palestinian civilians are lies and are not helping to end the war. Promoting these untruths is actually prolonging the conflict by encouraging Hamas to continue the fight using the same old tactics that contribute to these kind of results. Put pressure on Israel if you wish - but learn what they actually do and how that compares to other wars in other places before reaching conclusions based on selected incidents. If you are going to do that, you must also hold Hamas accountable for hiding military commanders, fighters, and supplies among civilians in violation of international law.

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2024-11-08

Well no, they had pictures of the dead terrorists. I like evidence and you do not.

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2024-11-08

Should be. They could've just done a ground operation instead and gotten the civilians out. But Israel won't, because they enjoy killing civilians.

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2024-11-08

Because the Hamas are terrorists?

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2024-11-08

They blew up a God damn school would it be so wrong to ask them to justify it with the evidence they had

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2024-11-08

Special forces rescued four hostages, they barely survived. (And one commander sadly died)

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2024-11-08

Can anyone explain why Hamas chose to place their military operatives and arms supplies within a school? This is not the first time either. I'm trying to figure out what their intentions were here... RIP to all the innocent victims of this war.

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2024-11-08

the people making this argument see no humanity. so many comments here saying "that's what those innocent civilians deserve." sickening.

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2024-11-08

You are wrong

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2024-11-08

The fact that you think I give a singular fuck if every single piece of shit hamas member meets a violent and deserved end tells me all I need to know about your reasoning skills. I utterly despise everything they stand for but here you are drivelling on about how they are my team. There is nothing to be gained by discussing anything with you. Good night.

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2024-11-08

They released proof about the hospital so I’m sure some will come out about this school albeit in a few months

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2024-11-08

There's an entire generation in the US that has grown up entirely without war and consuming literal propaganda on TikTok. Their understanding of warfare is based on movies where the good guys never harm a single innocent.

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2024-11-08

Israel revealed who was targeted and killed including roles. More than that you're not gonna get as it's literally operational intelligence and no one is going to release that publicly

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2024-11-08

The Geneva Convention says they forfeit their protected status, yes. But other parts of the conventions stipulate that expected collateral damage of any attack must not be disproportionate to the military value achieved by the attack. If it is, the attack must not be carried out.

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2024-11-08

While they're definitely a bunch of baboons with smooth brains, Hamas are very strategic about this war. Fair fight, 1v1 with Israel and the entire organization is wiped out in a matter of weeks. They know this so they don't fight fair. They use the west's ideologies against the west itself. They know Israel has moral code to keep, since Israel has been trying to improve political aliances with the west since day one. The problem is that Israel's in war with a terror group in the middle east. Western rules, unfortunately, don't apply. The western media are a bunch of clown for never recognizing that. I see "ISRAEL HAS STRUCK A HOSPITAL" or "A SCHOOL HAS BEEN TAKEN DOWN BY ISRAEL IN GAZA" articles every day. Did someone stop to figure out why are civilians sites taken down? Why don't I see articles about the ammunition and terrorists hiding inside said hospitals and schools. It's like the west wants itself to lose. Insanity

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2024-11-08

It shows the capability of the cameras teaching Hamas how to hide their weapons better. This is basic stuff. You don’t share intelligence like this with the public

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2024-11-08

The end goal is peace. Not a ceasefire that does nothing but push the issues back another 10 years. Peace

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2024-11-08

Um, I think Hamas would know their stuff got blown up without the cameras.

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2024-11-08

That reasoning breaks down entirely when the people being used as human shields get radicalized into *joining* Hamas, because from their perspective they only see the attack, not the justification used to make it. This is the difference between a nation at war that recruits through propaganda, from nominally-peaceful cities to fight elsewhere, and one where they're recruiting from people living *inside the battleground itself*. Shooting the human shields to discourage the use of human shields only works if the humans being used as shields are part of a collective hivemind with the ones hiding behind them, so that harm to one is equal to harm to the other. So depending on whether you mentally categorize Hamas and Palestinians as the same group, or as different groups, your reasoning is either correct or utterly flawed.

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2024-11-08

And when the enemy *wants* you to shoot the human shields? Your reasoning works for an enemy who doesn't want you to shoot *either* themselves or the person they're hiding behind, or at least doesn't benefit if the shield gets shot. Your reasoning fails when shooting the shield is a propaganda win for them *amongst the people being used as human shields in the first place*.

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2024-11-08

So it’s kinda ok to murder children just because some asshats decided it’s not “a war crime”?

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2024-11-08

Who the fuck cares what a “war crime” is? Children are being murdered! What the hell is your point?? It’s ok to murder children just because “it’s nOt a wAr CrIMe”?? Fuck I hate it here. The White House is pathetic with it’s fake “concern” over murdered civilians.

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I'd link those people to [rule 10 of the international humanitarian law database](https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule10#:~:text=of%20an%20object-,Rule%2010.,as%20they%20are%20military%20objectives.). I would try to make sure they understand that Hamas, not Israel is doing something illegal when Israel blows up a hospital. Then they might shift the discussion away from the rule of law by saying "even if it's legal, that doesn't make it right". Then I'd question them on what right means. If they were in charge of creating these laws, how would they write them? Should a nation not be allowed to strike back against terrorists if those terrorists simply hide in schools and hospitals? Would that not make it easy for terrorists to abuse these rules and get away with torture/rape as much as they want, simply by hiding inside schools and hospitals? If you don't like the law as it is written now, propose an alternative.

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The corillary is that any civilian facility used for military purposes was a legitimate military target. Governments didn't want to get their own non-combatants killed so they kept civilians away from military operations. I can't think of another time in history when a government has *wanted* it's civilians to die. Nobody wants Palestinians dead more than Hamas. The inflow of stealable aid money depends on it.

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This is also why most of the recently declassfied "UAP" videos were classified in the first place. Not because the US Navy thought that foreign states would care about the blurry outline of a goose, but because they'd care about the camera that captured it.

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2024-11-08

Hamas operating out of a civilian building is literally them committing a war crime.

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2024-11-08

I’m sorry “UAP”?

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2024-11-08

They just the same tactics America used in the Middle East: every male aged 16+ is Hamas.

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2024-11-08

so are the IDF troops that carry rifles while out at a restaurant a valid target for Hamas to blow up the whole restaurant?

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2024-11-08

Something had to be against the law to be a crime. "Warcrime" does not mean horrible thing you don't like.

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2024-11-08

Not make everything ok but is a very principled individual

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2024-11-08

And why do you think a ground assault will cause less collateral damage?

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2024-11-08

Do you think the “stealable aid money” comes on trucks into Gaza or something?

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2024-11-08

Imagine thinking that the only way someone would oppose the deliberate killing of tens of thousands of civilians is if they were brainwashed by propaganda

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2024-11-08

I'm not sure I understand your point. A lot of women don't take their husband's last name.

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2024-11-08

No one is sending their troops to die in urban warfare when a bomb can do the job. It's almost like the world learned from Fallujah. It's pretty easy to understand. "Our soldiers are more important to us than your civilians." It's what literally every country does.

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2024-11-08

Israel isn't trying to "be the good guy" they're trying to take out an existential threat to their existence. Welcome to war in the 2nd most densely populated place on the planet. Israel isn't going to risk their troops when a bomb can do the job. It can't get any more cut and dry.

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>Aight, this is in direct contradiction to your earlier statement that "nothing justifies violence against Israel." I should be clear that I'm not the one that said that. If it were me, I'd be specific and say that nothing justifies October 7th. >They were still blockaded and prevented from being sovereign. Being blockaded was unfortunately very well justified. Prevented from being sovereign, by whom? Which side was the bigger barrier to peace talks that would give Palestine a state? >So is Likud. That may be true. But Israel is a democracy so Likud isn't omnipotent and isn't always in power. Israel made peace deals in 2000 and 2008 which got rejected.

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