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That 's all you
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Activity. Yeah.
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And , you can also have notes of the meeting. But I bet that 's that will allow you to go into the sort of the hot places where people are writing things down.
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Mm - hmm.
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Oh , I see.
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I mean , you can tell when you 're in a meeting when everybody stops to write something down that something was just said.
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Mm - hmm.
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It may not be kept in the later summary , but at that point in time is was something that was important.
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Mm - hmm.
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And that wouldn't take any extra
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That 's a nice idea.
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Mm - hmm.
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Or someone could just pu you could just put your hand on the pad
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It
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Mm - hmm.
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and go like that if you want to. It 's
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That 's a good idea but that doesn't Maybe I 'm missing something , but that doesn't get to the question of how we come up with queries , right ?
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Well , what it does
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Well , then you can go to the points where the you could actually go to those points in time and find out what they were talking about. And you r
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Well , what it does is provide a different
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Yeah.
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And
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Uh , y
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I I think it 's an interesting thing. I don't think it gets at the the queries per - se , but it does give us an information fusion sort of thing that , you know , you wanna i say " what were the hot - points of the meeting ? "
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Yeah.
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That that 's what I mean , is that I think it gets at something interesting but if we were asking the question , which I thought we were , of of of , um , " how do we figure out what 's the nature of the queries that people are gonna want to ask of such a system ? " , knowing what 's important doesn't tell you what people are going to be asking.
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But I bet it 's a good superset of it.
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Does it ?
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Well , yeah.
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Well , see , there are th
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I think you could say they 're gonna ask about , uh , when uh , when did so - and - so s talk about blah. And at least that gives you the word that they might run a query on.
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At least you can find the locations where there are maybe keywords
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Maybe.
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I mean , i this would tell you what the hit is ,
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and
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not what the query is.
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Right.
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Right , right.
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What
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It 'll tell you the hit but not the query.
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But I think I think thinking about queries is a little bit dangerous right now.
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And so you could you can generate a query from the hits ,
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Right.
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but
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We don't even know what I mean , if you want to find out what any user will use , that might be true for one domain and one user ,
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Mm - hmm.
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but I mean a different domain and a different user
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Mm - hmm.
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Yeah , but we 're just looking for a place to start with that
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Um.
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because , you know , th what what what James is gonna be doing is looking at the user - interface and he 's looking at the query in in i We we have five hours of pilot data of the other stuff but we have zero hours of of of queries. So he 's just sort of going " where where do I where do I start ? "
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w Well , th you could do I think the summaries actually may help get us there ,
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OK.
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for a couple reasons. One , if you have a summary if you have a bunch of summaries , you can do a word frequency count and see what words come up in different types of meetings.
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Mm - hmm.
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So " action item " is gonna come up whether it 's a VLSI meeting , or speech meeting , or whatever. So words that come up in different types of meetings may be something that you would want to query about.
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Mm - hmm.
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Um , the second thing you could possibly do with it is just run a little pilot experiment with somebody saying " here 's a summary of a meeting , what questions might you want to ask about it to go back ? "
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Yeah , I think that 's difficult because then they 're not gonna ask the questions that are in the summary.
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Well
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But , I think it would give
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That 's one possi one possible scenario , though , is you have the summary ,
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Mm - hmm.
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and you want to ask questions to get more detail.
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th Yeah , I think it has to be a participant. Well , it doesn't have to be. OK. So that that is another use of Meeting Recorder that we haven't really talked about , which is for someone else , as opposed to as a remembrance agent , which is what had been my primary thought in the information retrieval part of it would be. But , uh , I guess if you had a meeting participant , they could use the summary to refresh themselves about the meeting and then make up queries. But it 's not
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Mm - hmm.
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I don't know how to do it if until you have a system.
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The summary is actually gonna drive the queries then.
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Mmm.
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Yeah.
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I mean , your research is going to be very circular.
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Yeah.
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Yeah , that that 's what I was saying.
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But th there is this , um There is this class of queries , which are the things that you didn't realize were important at the time but some in retrospect you think " oh , hang on , didn't we talk about that ? " And it 's something that didn't appear in the summary but you
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Mm - hmm.
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And that 's kind of what this kind of , uh , complete data capture is kind of nicest for.
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Right. Right.
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Right.
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Cuz it 's the things that you wouldn't have bothered to make an effort to record but they get recorded. So , I mean And th there 's no way of generating those , u u until we just until they actually occur.
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But you could always post - hoc label them.
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You know , it 's like Right , right. Exactly.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But I mean , it 's difficult to sort of say " and if I was gonna ask four questions about this , what would they be ? " Those aren't the kind of things that come up.
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But at least it would get us started.
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Oh , yeah. Yeah , sure.
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I also think that w if if you can use the summaries as an indication of the important points of the of the meeting , then you might get something like y So if th if the obscure item you want to know more about was some form of data collection , you know , maybe the summary would say , you know , " we discussed types of na data collection ". And , you know And and maybe you could get to it by that. If you if you had the the larger structure of the of the discourse , then if you can categorize what it is that you 're looking for with reference to those l those larger headings , then you can find it even if you don't have a direct route to that.
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Mmm. Although it seems like that 's , um , a high burden on the note - taker.
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I think that
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That 's a pretty fine grain that the note - taker will have to take.
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Maybe Landay can put a student in to be a note - taker.
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I th No. I think you got to have somebody who knows the pro knows the topic or you know , whose job it is delegated to be the note - taker.
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No ?
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Mm - hmm.
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Somebody who 's part of the meeting.
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No , I mean , but someone who can come sit in on the meetings and then takes the notes with them that the real note - taker
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But they
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And that way that one student has , you know , a rough idea of what was going on , and they can use it for their research. I mean , this isn't really necessarily what you would do in a real system ,
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Mm - hmm.
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because that that 's a lot of trouble
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Mm - hmm.
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