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Yeah , different
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Uh , y
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just to take pictures of who 's there , where the microphones are , and then we could also put in what 's on the board. You know , like three or four snaps for every
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Right.
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I agree.
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Yeah. People who were never at the meeting will have a very hard time understanding it otherwise.
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for every meeting.
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That 's wonderful.
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Mm - hmm.
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But don't you think that 's Don't you think that But
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I agree.
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Mm - hmm.
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Even people who were at the meeting.
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Well , no. I mean , I I just think I mean , I think that right now we don't make a record of where people are sitting on the tables.
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Right.
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Huh.
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And that the at some point that might be awfully useful.
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Right. But I think adding photographs adds a whole nother level of problems.
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Mm - hmm.
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Mmm.
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Yeah. We n uh ,
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It 's just a digital record.
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Not not as part of the not as a part of the data that you have to recover.
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I don't mean that you model it.
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Just just in terms of
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We should just Like archiving it or storing it.
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Yeah.
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Yes , I agree. I agree.
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Mm - hmm.
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It 's i because discourse is about things ,
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Because someone
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and then you have the things that are about , and it 's recoverable.
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someone later might be able to take these and say " OK , they , you know at least these are the people who were there
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So
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and here 's sort of what they started talking about , and " and just
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Yes. And it 's so simple.
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Li
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Like you said , three snapshots
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uh , L L L
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and
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Liz , you
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Just to archive.
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u uh , Liz , you sa you sat in on the , uh , subcommittee meeting or whatever
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Actually
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uh , on you on the subcommittee meeting for for at the , uh that workshop we were at that , uh , uh , Mark Liberman was was having. So I I wasn't there. They they they they h must have had some discussion about video and the visual aspect , and all that.
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Big , big interest. Huge.
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Yeah.
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I mean , it personally , I don't I would never want to deal with it. But I 'm just saying first of all there 's a whole bunch of fusion issues that DARPA 's interested in.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You know , fusing gesture and face recognition ,
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Yeah.
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even lip movement and things like that , for this kind of task. And there 's also I think a personal interest on the part of Mark Liberman in this kind of in storing these images in any data we collect
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Mm - hmm.
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so that later we can do other things with it.
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Yeah. So so to address what what Adam 's saying ,
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Mmm. Mm - hmm.
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And
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I mean , I think you uh , that the key thing there is that this is a description of database collection effort that they 're talking about doing.
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Mm - hmm.
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And if the database exists and includes some visual information that doesn't mean that an individual researcher is going to make any use of it. Right ?
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Mm - hmm.
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So , uh
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But that it 's gonna be a lot of effort on our part to create it , and store it , and get all the standards , and to do anything with it.
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Right. So we 're gonna So we 're gonna do what we 're gonna do , whatever 's reasonable for us.
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Yeah.
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I think even doing something very crude
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But having
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Like I know with ATIS , we just had a tape recorder running all the time.
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Mm - hmm.
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And later on it turned out it was really good that you had a tape recorder of what was happening , even though you w you just got the speech from the machine. So if you can find some really , you know , low , uh , perplexity ,
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Low fidelity.
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yeah , way of of doing that , I think it would be worthwhile.
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Yeah.
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I agree. And if it 's simple as I mean , as simple as just the digital
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Otherwise you 'd you lose it.
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Well , minimally , I mean , what what Dan is referring to at least having some representation of the p the spatial position of the people ,
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Yeah.
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cuz we are interested in some spatial processing.
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Mm - hmm.
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Mm - hmm.
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And so
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Right.
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so , um
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Well , once the room is a little more fixed that 's a little easier
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Yeah.
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cuz you 'll
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Yeah.
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Well , the wireless.
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Yeah.
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But
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Also CMU has been doing this and they were the most vocal at this meeting , Alex Waibel 's group. And they have said , I talked to the student who had done this , that with two fairly inexpensive cameras they they just recorded all the time
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Mm - hmm.
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and were able to get all the information from or maybe it was three from all the parts of the room. So I think we would be we might lose the chance to use this data for somebody later who wants to do some kind of processing on it if we don't collect it at all.
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Yeah. I I I don't disagree. I think that if you have that , then people who are interested in vision can use this database. The problem with it is you 'll have more people who don't want to be filmed than who don't want to be recorded.
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Mmm.
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So that there 's going to be another group of people who are gonna say " I won't participate ".
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Well , she 's not making
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That 's true.
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Mm - hmm.
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Or you could put a paper bag over everybody 's head
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