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and not look at each other and not look at boards , and just all be sitting talking.
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Uh - huh.
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That would be an interes Bu
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Well
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Great idea.
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Well , there 's that 'd be the the parallel , yeah. But I think y she 's we 're just proposing a minimal preservation of things on boards ,
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Yeah. I definitely won't participate if there 's a camera.
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sp spatial organization And you could anonymize the faces for that matter. You know , I mean , this is
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But , you know , that 's a lot of infrastructure and work.
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We can talk about the
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To set it up and then anonymize it ?
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It 's just one snapshot.
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No , it wa n not , um
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No , no , no , no.
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We 're not talking about a movie.
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So
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Not for not for CMU.
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We 're talking about a snapshot.
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Mm - hmm.
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They have a pretty crude set - up. And they had
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Mm - hmm.
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Yeah.
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they just turn on these cameras. They were they were not moving or anything.
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Couldn't find it ?
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And stored it on analog media.
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Hmm ?
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Hmm.
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And they they didn't actually align it or anything. They just they have it , though.
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Yeah. Well , it 's worth considering. Maybe we don't want to spend that much more time discussing it ,
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Did they store it digitally , or ?
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but
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Hmm - mm. I think they just
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or just put it on videotape ?
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I think they just had the videotapes with a c you know , a counter or something. Um ,
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Mm - hmm. Well , I think for I mean , for our purposes we probably will d
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I 'm not sure.
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we we might try that some and and we certainly already have some recordings that don't have that , uh , which , you know , we we 'll we 'll get other value out of , I think.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Th The thing is , if it 's easy to collect it it th then I think it 's a wise thing to do because once it 's gone it 's gone. And
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I 'm just The community If LDC collects this data u I mean , and L - if Mark Liberman is a strong proponent of how they collect it and what they collect , there will probably be some video data in there.
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There you go.
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And so that could argue for us not doing it or it could argue for us doing it. The only place where it sort of overlaps is when some of the summarization issues are actually could be , um , easier made easier if you had the video.
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I think at the moment we should be determining this on the basis of our own , uh , interests and needs rather than hypothetical ones from a community thing.
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Mm - hmm.
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As you say , if they if they decide it 's really critical then they will collect a lot more data than we can afford to , uh , and and will include all that.
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Mmm.
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Um ,
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I I I 'm not worried about the cost of setting it up. I 'm worried about the cost of people looking at it. In other words , it 's it it 'd be kind of silly to collect it all and not look at it at all. And so I I I think that we do have to do some picking and choosing of the stuff that we 're doing. But I I am int I do think that we m minimally want something we might want to look at at some some , uh , subsets of that. Like for a meeting like this , at least , uh , take a Polaroid of the of the of the boards ,
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Of the board.
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Yeah.
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Or at least make sure that the note - taker takes a sh you know , a snapshot of the board.
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and
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Exactly.
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a and know the position of the people
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That 'll make it a lot easier for meetings that are structured.
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Exactly.
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Mm - hmm.
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I mean , otherwise later on if nobody wrote this stuff on the board down we 'd have a harder time summarizing it or agreeing on a summary.
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We And it Especially since this is common knowledge. I mean , this is shared knowledge among all the participants , and it 's a shame to keep it off the recording.
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Uh , except in
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er , if we weren't recording this , this this would get lost. Right ?
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Yeah.
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Well , I don't understand that point. I mean , I just think that the
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The point is that we 're not saving it anyway. Right ? In in our real - life setting.
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Well
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What do you mean we 're not saving it anyway ? I 've written all of this down and it 's getting emailed to you.
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And you 're gonna send it out by email , too.
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Well , uh , in that case we don't need to take pictures of it.
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Right. That would be the other alternative , to make sure that anything that was on the board , um , is in the record.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well
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Well , that 's why that 's why I 'm saying that I think the note - taking would be I think in many for many meetings there will be some sort of note - taking , in which case , that 's a useful thing to have Uh , I mean , we uh , we don't need to require it. Just like the
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Mm - hmm.
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I mean , I think it would be great if we try to get a picture with every meeting. Um ,
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I agree.
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so so we won't worry about requiring these things , but the more things that we can get it for , the more useful it will be for various applications. So.
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So So , I mean , departing for the moment from the data collection question but actually talking about , you know , this group and what we actually want to do , uh , so I guess that 's th the way what you were figuring on doing was was was , uh , putting together some notes and sending them to to everybody from from today ? OK. So. Um
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That 's great.
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So so the question that that we started with was whether there was anything else we should do during during th during the collection.
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Ow.
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And I guess the CrossPads was certainly one idea , uh , and we 'll get them from him and we 'll just do that. Right ? And then the next thing we talked about was the was the summaries and are we gonna do anything about that.
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Well , before we leave the CrossPads and and call it done.
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Oh , OK.
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So , if I 'm collecting data then there is this question of do I use CrossPads ?
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Yeah.
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So , I think that if we really seriously have me collect data and I can't use CrossPads , it 's probably less useful for you guys to go to the trouble of using it , um , unless you think that the CrossPads are gonna n I 'm not I 'm not sure what they 're gonna do. But but having a small percentage of the data with it , I 'm not sure whether that 's useful or not. Maybe maybe it 's no big deal.
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What
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Maybe we just do it and see what happens.
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I guess the point was to try again , to try to collect more information that could be useful later for for the UI stuff.
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Mm - hmm.
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So it 's sort of Landay supplying it so that Landay 's stuff can be easier to do.
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Right.
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So it it Right now he 's g operating from zero ,
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Nothing.
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and so even if we didn't get it done from UW , it seems like that would could still You shou
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OK.
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I mean , at least try it.
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