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false | Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah , but that 's that 's OK , cuz they 're they 're , you know , they 're focused on the ear anyway. | QMSum_78 |
false | Right. | QMSum_78 |
false | And then and then | QMSum_78 |
false | Hmm. | QMSum_78 |
false | the hack to preserve the overlaps better would be one which creates different output files for each channel , | QMSum_78 |
false | Right. | QMSum_78 |
false | which then would also serve Liz 's request of having , you know , a single channel , separable , uh , cleanly , easily separable , | QMSum_78 |
false | Mm - hmm. | QMSum_78 |
false | uh , transcript tied to a single channel , uh , audio. | QMSum_78 |
false | Mm - hmm. Have , uh , folks from NIST been in contact with you ? | QMSum_78 |
false | Not directly. I 'm trying to think if if I could have gotten it over a list. | QMSum_78 |
false | OK. | QMSum_78 |
false | I don't I don't think so. | QMSum_78 |
false | OK. Well , holidays may have interrupted things , cuz in in in They seem to want to get absolutely clear on standards for transcription standards and so forth with with us. | QMSum_78 |
false | Oh ! This was from before December. Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | Right. Because they 're they 're presumably going to start recording next month. | QMSum_78 |
false | OK. OK. | QMSum_78 |
false | Oh , we should definitely get with them then , | QMSum_78 |
false | So. | QMSum_78 |
false | and agree upon a format. Though I don't remember email on that. So was I not in the loop on that ? | QMSum_78 |
false | Um. Yeah , I don't think I mailed anybody. I just think I told them to contact Jane that , uh , if they had a | QMSum_78 |
false | Oh , OK. | QMSum_78 |
false | That 's right. | QMSum_78 |
false | if , uh that that , uh , as the point person on it. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah , I think that 's right. | QMSum_78 |
false | But | QMSum_78 |
false | Just , uh | QMSum_78 |
false | So , yeah. Maybe I 'll , uh , ping them a little bit about it to get that straight. | QMSum_78 |
false | OK. I 'm keeping the conventions absolutely as simple as possible. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. So is it cuz with any luck there 'll actually be a a there 'll be collections at Columbia , collections at at UW I mean Dan Dan is very interested in doing some other things , | QMSum_78 |
false | Right. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | Well , I think it 's important both for the notation and the machine representation to be the same. | QMSum_78 |
false | and collections at NIST. So Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | So. | QMSum_78 |
false | N there was also this , uh , email from Dan regarding the speech - non nonspeech segmentation thing. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yep. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | I don't know if , uh , uh , we wanna , uh and Dan Gel - and Dave Gelbart is interested in pursuing the aspect of using amplitude as a a a as a basis for the separation. | QMSum_78 |
false | Cross - correlation. | QMSum_78 |
false | Oh , yeah. He was talking he was talking I mean , uh , we he had | QMSum_78 |
false | Cross | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah , cross - correlation. | QMSum_78 |
false | Cross | QMSum_78 |
false | I had mentioned this a couple times before , the c the commercial devices that do , uh , uh , voice , uh you know , active miking , | QMSum_78 |
false | Uh - huh. | QMSum_78 |
false | basically look at the amp at the energy at each of the mikes. And and you basically compare the energy here to some function of all of the mikes. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | OK. | QMSum_78 |
false | So , by doing that , you know , rather than setting any , uh , absolute threshold , you actually can do pretty good , uh , selection of who who 's talking. | QMSum_78 |
false | OK. | QMSum_78 |
false | Uh And those those systems work very well , by the way , I mean , so people use them in panel discussions and so forth with sound reinforcement differing in in sort of , | QMSum_78 |
false | Uh - huh. | QMSum_78 |
false | uh and , uh , those if Boy , the guy I knew who built them , built them like twenty twenty years ago , | QMSum_78 |
false | Hmm. | QMSum_78 |
false | so they 're it 's the the techniques work pretty well. | QMSum_78 |
false | Fantastic. Cuz there is one thing that we don't have right now and that is the automatic , um , channel identifier. | QMSum_78 |
false | So. | QMSum_78 |
false | That that , you know , that would g help in terms of encoding of overlaps. | QMSum_78 |
false | Mm - hmm. | QMSum_78 |
false | The the transcribers would have less , uh , disentangling to do if that were available. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. So I think , you know , basically you can look at some p you have to play around a little bit , uh , to figure out what the right statistic is , | QMSum_78 |
false | But. | QMSum_78 |
false | Mm - hmm. | QMSum_78 |
false | Mm - hmm. | QMSum_78 |
false | but you compare each microphone to some statistic based on the on the overall | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | Mm - hmm. | QMSum_78 |
false | OK. | QMSum_78 |
false | Uh , and we also have these we have the advantage of having distant mikes too. So that , you cou yo | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah , although the the using the close - talking I think would be much better. Wouldn't it ? | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | Um. I I don't know. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | I just it 'd be If I was actually working on it , I 'd sit there and and play around with it , and and get a feeling for it. I mean , the the the , uh But , uh , you certainly wanna use the close - talking , as a at least. | QMSum_78 |
false | Right. | QMSum_78 |
false | I don't know if the other would would add some other helpful dimension or not. | QMSum_78 |
false | Mm - hmm. | QMSum_78 |
false | Mm - hmm. OK. What what are the different , uh , classes to to code , uh , the the overlap , you will use ? | QMSum_78 |
false | Um , to code d | QMSum_78 |
false | What you you | QMSum_78 |
false | so types of overlap ? | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | Um , so at a meeting that wasn't transcribed , we worked up a a typology. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | And , um | QMSum_78 |
false | Look like , uh , you t you explaining in the blackboard ? The ? Yeah ? Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yes , exactly. That hasn't changed. So it i the it 's basically a two - tiered structure where the first one is whether the person who 's interrupted continues or not. And then below that there 're subcategories , uh , that have more to do with , you know , is it , uh , simply backchannel | QMSum_78 |
false | Mm - hmm. | QMSum_78 |
false | or is it , um , someone completing someone else 's thought , or is it someone in introducing a new thought. | QMSum_78 |
false | Right. And I hope that if we do a forced alignment with the close - talking mike , that will be enough to recover at least some of the time the time information of when the overlap occurred. | QMSum_78 |
false | Huh. Yeah. Yeah. | QMSum_78 |
false | Mm - hmm. Well , one would | QMSum_78 |
false | We hope. | QMSum_78 |
false | Yeah. Who knows ? | QMSum_78 |
false | That 'd be that 'd be nice. I mean , I I I I 've | QMSum_78 |
false | So who 's gonna do that ? Who 's gonna do forced alignment ? | QMSum_78 |
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