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When Apple came with their demos to Iowa State, I got a chance to run
Speedometer3.1 on some of the new Macs. Both machines were running
System7.1, had a 14" RGB. Don't know what the caches were set to.
Neither machine had an FPU It appears that the Centris610 is quite a
bit faster than the LC III:
Centris610 LCIII
CPU 13.01 6.92
Graf 15.67 7.69
Disk 2.22 2.44
Math 25.57 10.19
P.R. Rating 12.91 6.58
So, there is a comparison. There is definitely a very noticable speed
difference between these two machines according to Speedometer3.1.
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>>I'm surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by
>>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive
>>state, as a hostile action leading to war.
Could you please tell me what was the ethnic composition of
Israel right after it was formed.
No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity.
Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about
anti-trust in the business world.
Since we are debating the legality of a commercial
transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines
and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says
that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of
investing, you can not acquire a large number of those
shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so
only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly,
the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some
designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate.
They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews.
The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the
old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic /
multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours
was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair
market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of
an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist
myself, but this one is hard to dismiss).
Again Adam, the devil is in the details. I don't want to get
on a tangent here but its the same reasonning that says its
OK to return 100 deportes and leave the rest. Because 100 is
a nice number that you can devide by 10, 100 and besides, it
has an integer square root.
Do you actually believe this? My experience tells me that
every palestinian I knew still keeps the key to his home, in
Palestine. Besides they often refer to their exodus as an
escape from hell (so to speak). I know none that agrees with
you. Did you sample their opinions? I know you don't care,
just being rethorical.
Don't get me wrong. I beleive that Israel is democratic
within the constraints of one dominant ethnic group (Jews).
Israel probably had a few options after 1948: ethnic
cleansing Serbian style, and deserve the wrath of the
international community, or make the best out of a no win
condition: show the world how good Israel is towards the
'bad' arabs. Personaly, I've never heard anything about the
arab community in Isreal. Except that they're there. So
yes, they're there. But as a community with history and
roots, its dead.
I stand corrected. I meant that the jewish culture was not
predominant in Palestine in recent history. I have no
problem with Jerusalem having a jewish character if it were
predominantly Jewish. So there. what to make of the rest
Palestine?
--
Sam Zbib Bell-Northern Research
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->In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
->>
->>In article <monack.733980580@helium> [email protected] (david
->>>Another issue is that by having to request to not be required to
->>>recite the "so help me God" part of the oath, a theistic jury may be
->>>prejudiced against your testimony even though atheism is probably not
->>>at all relevant to the case.
->>>
->>>What is the recommended procedure for requesting an alternate oath or
->>>affirmation?
->>>
->>>Dave
Sorry for using a follow-up to respond, but my server dropped about a weeks worth of news
when it couldn't keep up.
When the you are asked to swear "So help you god" and you have to say it, ask which one; Jesus,
Allah, Vishnu, Zues, Odin. Get them to be specific. Don't be obnoxious, just humbly ask, then
quitely sit back and watch the fun.
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Sverdrup Technology,Inc. | phone: 216-891-4019
NASA Lewis Research Center |
Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: [email protected]
"Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, other people gargle"
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I'm considering switching to Geico insurance, but have heard that
they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim. I was
worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim. I have
also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident.
I'm interestend in determining whether or not these things are true.
Has anyone out there with Geico made a claim? I'd be interested in
hearing whether or not you were satisfied with the service and whether
you then had trouble renewing your policy.
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B
)>>>>>>>>> Votre host est mal configure... <<<<<<<<<<<<
)Bonjour Sylvain,
) J'ai travaille avec le hc11 il y a 3 ans et je ne me souviens pas de toutes les possibilites mais je vais quand meme essayer de t'aider.
) Je ne crois pas que downloader une programme directement dans le eeprom soit une bonne idee (le eeprom a une duree de vie limitee a 10 000 cycles il me semble). Le communication break down vient peut-etre du fait que le eeprom est long a programmer (1ms par 8 bytes mais c'est a verifier) et que les delais de transfer de programme s19 vers la memoire sont excedes. Normalement, les transferts en RAM du code s19 est plus rapide car le RAM est plus rapide que le eeprom en ecriture.
) C'est tout ce que ma memoire me permet de me souvenir!
)Bonne chance,
Oh yeah easy for him to say!...
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I am looking for a person who made an offer of $50 for five
of my VHS movies. I was not able to save the e-mail address
of this person. It has been a week since we made the deal,
please reply.
The five movies are
Basic Instinct
Born on the Forth of July
Backdraft
The Prince of Tides
Presumed Innocent
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I was wanting to ask the same question Dan Bernstein asked--how does the
Clipper chip exchange keys? If the public key is only 80 or 160 bits long,
does anyone know of any public-key schemes that are secure with that key
size? (Diffie-Hellman or maybe El Gamal, with p set to a constant value?)
Presumably, the real scheme is something like:
1. Exchange/verify public keys.
2. Send encrypted (randomly-generated) session key.
3. Encrypt / Decrypt voice trafic with some sort of fast stream cipher.
Can anyone elaborate on this, or show me what I'm missing here?
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Seth> I fail to see any advantage whatsoever with this kind of
set-up.
Seth> What a DUMB idea.
So don't buy one.
Kristen
This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated.
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There has been quite a bit of discussion about house wiring and grounding
practices here. A few points need to be clarified:
The Equipment GROUNDING conductor, Green, green with a yellow stripe, bare, or
the metal sheath or pipe of SOME wiring methods, is used as a safety ground, to
carry fault currents back to the circuit breaker panel, and to limit the
voltage on the metal case of utilization equipment or other metal objects. It
should never (except for a few exceptions to be discussed later) carry the
normal operating current of a connected load. Some equipment has filters in
the power supply which may cause some slight current flow through the grounding
conductor.
Much communications or audio equipment is sensitive to noise or slight voltages
on the grounding conductor, and may require special wiring of the grounding
conductors to provide reliable operation ("orange" outlets are often used for
this, with insulated grounding conductors wired back to the panel box, and in
many cases back to the service. Anyone installing such a system should read
both the section on grounding in the National Electric Code and publications on
installing quiet isolated ground systems. The code requires the insulated
grounding conductors (green wires) to run with the current carrying conductors
back to the panel box, and, if required, back all the way to the service
entrance , where it is bonded to the service ground (water pipe or rod) Many
of these systems are installed illegally or unsafely, where they do not provide
a safe ground or a quiet ground or either.
The GROUNDED conductor of a circuit, often called the NEUTRAL, which is
referred to in the code as the "identified" conductor and is supposed to be
white or natural grey. This conductor is supposed to be connected to ground in
most electrical systems at a single point, generally at the service entrance
panel. This connection is through the Main Bonding Jumper. (In many household
service panels, the main bonding jumper is actually a bonding screw which
attaches the neutral busbar to the case of the panel)
The Grounded conductor (neutral) is generally a current carrying conductor. In
the case of a 120 volt circuit it is one of the two conductors completing the
circuit from the panel to the load device.
Since the grounded conductor (neutral) is only connected to the grounding
conductor (bare or green) at the service entrance, if the load is any distance
from the service and draws any significant current, there will be a small but
measurable voltage between the grounded and grounding conductors at the load,
under normal operating conditions. If you should (incorrectly) connect the
grounded (neutral) conductor to the grounding conductor at the load, some of
the neutral current will flow instead through the grounding conductor. Since
there will now be current flowing through the grounding conductor, it will also
no longer be quite at ground potential at the load end. If the load equipment
has a metal case, which is connected to the grounding conductor through the "U"
ground plug, the metal case is now also no longer quite at ground potential.
The difference (under normal, non short-circuit conditions) may be only a few
tenths of a volt, but it could also be a volt or two. This normally does not
present a shock hazard.
HOWEVER, if you let the metal case of the grounded equipment come into contact
with an independently grounded object such as a water or gas pipe, a radiator,
a metal air conditioning duct or such, part of the neutral current will try to
flow through this aalternate ground path. If the contact is not solid, you
will get a significant arc (a low voltage, but possibly moderate current arc)
Under the wrong conditions, this arcing could start a fire. It is possible in
some cases that the sneak ground current could also flow through a wire of
inadequate size, causing it to overheat.
With the incorrect non single-point grounding of the neutral, if there is a
short circuit from hot to neutral, the high short circuit current which may
flow will cause a much higher voltage on the grounding conductor, which
increases the possibility for shock or fire.
Also if you incorrectly multiply connect the neutral and ground, the voltage on
the ground system is seen as noise bu computer or audio equipment, often
causing malfunction. I have spent some hours tracking down such shorts in
technical facilities where they were inducing severe hum into equipment.
The Neutral is usually bonded to the ground at the distribution transformer as
well as at the service entrance of each dwelling. This is done primarily for
lightning protection, so that induced lightning currents have a short path back
to ground, and also to assure that the currents drawn by shorts to grounded
objects like pipes draw enough current to trip circuit breakers or blow fuses
quickly. The bad side of this is that not all the neutral current from the
dwelling goes through the neutral wire back to the transformer. Some of it
flows through the grounding electrode (water pipe, etc.) this may cause
corrosion in the pipes and possibly in things like underground fuel oil tanks,
and it may also cause measurable AC magnetic fields due to the large loop
between the "hot" conductors in the service and the neutral current in the
water pipe and ground. There are those who feel these fields may be unhealthy.
(don't flame ME on this, I'm just telling you where the field comes from, not
it's health effect, as far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on this.)
Note that the bonding jumper is only installed at the main panel, NOT at any
sub distribution panels. This is one reason why it is illegal to run service
entrance cable with the sheath used as a neutral to a sub panel, you must have
a seperate insulated conductor for the neutral. The sheath can be used in this
application only as the groundING conductor. If the neutral is bonded to the
grounding conductor in the sub panel, say by forgetting to remove the bonding
screw, all the grounding conductors of the loads on that panel will be above
ground, with the possible problems listed above.
The code makes exceptions for ranges and dryers, as well as feeds from one
building to another. In the cases of the range and dryer, the neutral may be
used as the equipment ground under certain conditions, instead of a seperate
wire. Every time the code is revised, these exceptions come up for review.
These exceptions were, in fact the first required safety grounds, in the days
before U ground outlets and such. The appliance manufacturers don't want to
have to redesign their ranges and driers, and the contractors don't want to
have to run four wire cable (with four fairly heavy, expensive wires) in place
of three wire to the appliances. No question it would be safer with seperate
neutrals to the stove, but the neutral current is low for most burner settings
(since most current is in the 220 volt "hots" except at some low settings, the
wires are large gauge, and there are few reported cases of injury or damage.
So far, the exceptions have survived. In the case of feeds between buildings,
it's primarily for lightning protection.
People doing wiring should be aware what is and what isn't a legal grounding
conductor. Obviously, the bare wire in "romex" 'with ground' is. Anywhere
there is a green wire installed, such as in a portable cord, that is a good
grounding conductor. The sheath of BX clamped in BX connectors in metal boxes
is a legal grounding conductor (in the US). (BX has an aluminum band run under
the steel sheath to lower the resistance of the sheath. You can just cut this
aluminum band off at the ends, you don't have to bond it to anything, it does
its job by touching every turn of the BX sheath.) Conduit or EMT (thinwall
tubing) is generally a legal grounding conductor, but may require a bonding
locknut where it enters a box or panel, particularly for larger pipes.
"Greenfield" (looks like big BX, but you pull your own wires in the empty
sheath after you run it) is NOT a legal grounding conductor, as it doesn't have
the aluminum band to bond it, and the spiral steel has too much resistance and
inductance. You have to run a seperate green grounding conductor inside the
greenfield.
"Wiremold" is also not a legal grounding conductor, as the paint on the boxes
often prevents good contact, and the "feed" to the wiremold extension is often
from a box in the wall that may not be well connected to the first wiremold
box. I have personally discovered cases where the entire run of wiremold and
the cases of everything plugged into all the outlets on the run were "hot" with
120 volts (Why do I get a shock every time I touch my computer and the radiator
here in the office?) because there was no ground wire in the wiremold and one
of the outlets had shorted to the edge of the wiremold box. You must run a
ground wire back in the wiremold from the outlets at least to the first box in
the original wiring (conduit, BX, etc.) where you can "bond" the wire to the
box with a screw, bnding clip, or whatever.
On another issue, while you should ground the green wire/lug on GCFI outlets
when ever there is a place to ground them, it is legal in the NEC to use them
without a ground if no ground is available. It is better to have the
protection of the Ground fault interrupter than no protection if you don't
install it. The interrupter doesn't depend on the ground to trip. It is
desirable to connect the ground if available, because if the ground is
connected, the interrupter will trip as soon as a faulty device is plugged in,
whereas without the ground, it will not trip until someone or something
provides a ground path. For those questioning the legal use of ungrounded
GCFI's, read in the NEC, 210-7 (d) exception. (This is the 1990 code, my '93
code is in the city, but I know the rule hasn't changed. It might be
renumbered though.)
We have only touched the surface concerning grounding ;-} , there is much more
to this subject, but most of you have fallen asleep by now.
John
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Maybe I'm a bit old-fashioned, but have you heard about something
called Love? It used to play some role in people's considerations
for getting married. Of course I know some people who married
fictitiously in order to get a green card, but making a common
child for 18,000$? The power of AA is limited. Your proposal is
indeed unconventional.
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Could y'all PLEASE stop posting this stuff to tx.general. tx.politics
is sufficient and is where this stuff belongs. Thanks.
Cathy
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: > My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state
: > of CapsLock and/or NumLock is?
: Alright. Ignore this. I have delved a bit deeper (XKeyEvent) and
: found what I was looking for.
: ev->state has a bunch of masks to check against (LockMask is the one
: for CapsLock). Unfortunately, it appears that the NumLock mask varies
: from server to server. How does one tell what mask is numlock and
: which are for Meta (Mod1Mask, Mod2Mask, Mod3Mask, Mod4Mask, Mod5Mask).
: eg, SGI's vendor server has Mod2Mask being NumLock, whereas Solaris
: 1.0.1 OpenWindows 3.0 has Mod3Mask for NumLock. Is there an
: unambiguous means of determining NumLock's mask at runtime for any
: given server? Sorry for the wasted bandwidth and my appalling ignorance.
You'll have to check the keysym(s) on each of the keys for each
modifier. The one with NumLock in its mapping is the modifier
you want. A bit ugly perhaps but I think its currently the only
way to do this (and it does have some precedent as keysyms are
used to differentiate CapsLock from ShiftLock for the Lock
modifier).
I don't know of an accepted strategy for handling ambiguous
assignments either. (ie. what if NumLock is mapped for more then
one modifier). I suppose first found is as good as any.
X doesn't handle locking modifiers that well.
Hope that helps,
Dave Lapp
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Most importantly, which Winbench version are you using? On my local bus ATI
Graphics Ultra Pro, I've gotten various Winbench scores from 15.8 million to
31 million winmarks, depending on the version. Winbench 2.5 gives the most
optimistic scores, 3.11 gives the least. A winmark rating is meaningless
without a corresponding version number.
Dan
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Sorry, you're right. I did not clearly state it.
The most common form of condescending is the rational versus irrational
attitude. Once one has accepted the _assumption_ that there is no god(s),
and then consider other faiths to be irrational simply because their
assumption(s) contradict your assumption, then I would say there's a
lack of consistency here.
Now I know you'll get on me about faith. If the _positive_ belief that God
does not exist were a closed, logical argument, why do so many rational
people have problems with that "logic"?
But you, probably like me, seem to be a soft atheist. Sorry for the flamage.
;) What is the CLIPPER project BTW?
It might have appeared to attack atheism in general, but its point was
that mass killing happens for all sorts of reasons. People will hate who
they will and will wave whatever flag to justify it, be it cross or
hammer&sickle. The Stalin example _is_ important not only because it's
still a widely unappreciated era that people want to forget but also
because people really did love him and his ideas, even after all that he
had wrought.
First, all the pink crows/unicorns/elves arguments in the world will not
sway most people, for they simply do not accept the analogy. Why?
One of the big reasons is that many, many people want something
beyond this life. You can pretend that they don't want this, but I for
one can accept it and even want it myself sometimes.
And there is nothing unique in this example of why people want a God.
Can love as a truth be proven, logically?
John the Baptist boasted of Jesus to many people. I find it hard to see
how that behavior is arrogant at all. Many Christians I know also boast
in this way, but I still do not necessarily see it as arrogance. Of course,
I do know arrogant Christians, doctors, and teachers as well. Technically,
you might consider the person who originally made a given claim to be arrogant,
Jesus, for instance.
I speak against strong atheism. I also often find that the evidence
supporting a faith is very subjective, just as, say, the evidence supporting
love as truth is subjective.
No apology necessary. :)
--
Bake Timmons, III
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Sounds just like a racial theory that Hitler outlined in Mein Kampf.
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Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.
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There is something going on here. It seems that once a month, the VW
group must have get a specific detailed question about Hondas. I
would like to ask that next month we get one about Hyundai instead of
Honda. Thank you.
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Hi there,
I have a question regarding Quadras VRAM. I have tried to find info on this
but I could not get precise answers.
On one hand, we have a Quadra 950 with a 16" monitor, which is capable of
32-bit color. How much VRAM does it have?
On the other hand, we have a Quadra 800 with a 16" monitor, which is capable
of 8-bit color only, so it must have 512 Ko of VRAM.
I would like to take VRAM SIMMs for the 950 and put them in the 800 so that
both machines have 16-bit color capability.
Is it possible, and if yes, how many VRAM SIMMs should I take from the 950?
From the documentation I have, the Quadra 800 must get 1 Mo VRAM to have
16-bit color, is that correct?
Bonus question: where do VRAM SIMMs hide? From the 950 documentation, they
seem to be *behind* the power supply. Do I really have to take off the power
supply to access the VRAM SIMMs?
Thanks for your help!
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Do you honestly hold to that tripe Charley? For a start there are enough
current versions of the Bible to make comparisons to show that what you write
above is utter garbage. Witness JW, Mormon, Catholic, Anglican, and Greek
Orthodox Bibles. But to really convince you I'd have to take you to a good
old library. In our local library we had a 1804 King James which I compared
to a brand new, hot of God's tongue Good News Bible. Genesis was almost
unrecognisable, many of the discrepencies between the four gospels had been
edited from the Good News Bible. In fact the God of Good News was a much
more congenial fellow I must say.
If you like I'll get the 1804 King James out again and actually give you
some quotes. At least the headings haven't changed much.
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The rule for the designations is that if it says MC, that means it works
*exactly* the way the datasheet/book specifies. If it says XC, that means
there is at least one known bug. Often these bugs are small and obscure;
you might never run into them in practice.
At least Motorola admits it, unlike certain other companies...
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This is a good point, but I think "average" people do not take up Christianity
so much out of fear or escapism, but, quite simply, as a way to improve their
social life, or to get more involved with American culture, if they are kids of
immigrants for example. Since it is the overwhelming major religion in the
Western World (in some form or other), it is simply the choice people take if
they are bored and want to do something new with their lives, but not somethong
TOO new, or TOO out of the ordinary. Seems a little weak, but as long as it
doesn't hurt anybody...
These are good quotes, and I agree with both of them, but let's make sure to
alter the scond one so that includes something like "...let him be, as long as
he is not preventing others from finding their peace." or something like that.
(Of course, I suppose, if someone were REALLY "at peace", there would be no
need for inflicting evangelism)
Well, it is a sure thing we will have to live with them all our lives. Their
popularity seems to come and go. I remember when I first entered High School,
I was an atheist (always had been) and so were about 7 of my friends. At this
time, 5 of those 7 have converted, always to Christianity (they were all also
immigrants from Taiwan, or sons of immigrants, hence my earlier gross
generalization). Christianity seems a lot more popular to people now than it
ever has before (since I've been noticing). Maybe it is just my perceptions
that are chagning. Who knows?
I for one am perfectly willing to live and let live with them, so long as we
have some set of abstract rights/agreements on how we should treat each other:
I have no desire to be hurt by them or their notions. For all the well-put
arguments on this usenet, it never does any good. Argumentation does not
really seem to apply to Christians (or even some atheists)- it must simply be a
step the person takes naturally, almost, "instinctively"...
best regards,
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* Adam John Cooper "Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings *
* who thought themselves good simply because *
* [email protected] they had no claws." *
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Davidian-babble:
Turkish government on usenet? How long are you going to keep repeating
this utterly idiotic [and increasingly saddening] drivel?
oz
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Is Impulse shipping IMAGINE for the PC386/486? How close is it to the
Amiga's IMAGINE 2.0, in terms of features?
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THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release April 14, 1993
PRESIDENT NAMES OFFICIALS AT
TRANSPORTATION, COMMERCE, DEFENSE, AND OPIC
(Washington, DC) President Clinton announced his intention
today to nominate Albert Herberger to be Administrator of the
Federal Maritime Administration, Loretta Dunn to be Assistant
Secretary of Commerce for Import Administration, and Christopher
Finn to be Executive Vice President of the Overseas Private
Investment Corporation.
Additionally, he has approved the appointments of Joan Yim
to be Deputy Administrator of the Federal Maritime
Administration, Alice Maroni to be Principal Deputy Comptroller
of the Department of Defense, and Deborah Castelman to be Deputy
Assistant Secretary of Defense for Command, Control, and
Communications.
"We are continuing to move forward with putting together a
government of excellent, diverse Americans who share my
commitment to changing the way that Washington works," said the
President. "These six people I am naming today fit that bill."
Biographical sketches of the nominees are attached.
###
BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCHES OF NOMINEES
April 14, 1993
Albert Herberger, a thirty-five year Navy veteran who
retired with the rank of Vice Admiral, is the Vice President of
the International Planning and Analysis Center (IPAC). Among the
positions he held during his naval service were Deputy Commander-
in-Chief of the U.S. Transportation Command, Director of
Logistics on Staff for the Atlantic Fleet Commander-in-Chief, and
Director of the Military Personnel Policy Division for the Office
of Naval Operations. A surface warfare expert and a merchant
marine officer with over eighteen years operational experience,
Herberger is also Vice Chairman of the National Defense
Transportation Association's Sealift Committee. He is a graduate
of the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy and the Naval Postgraduate
School.
Loretta Dunn has served on the staff of the Senate Committee
on Commerce, Science, and Transportation since 1979. Since 1983
she has been the Committee's Senior Trade Counsel, responsible
for drafting trade legislation and reports, planning and
conducting hearings, managing legislation on the Senate floor and
in conferences with the House, overseeing a variety of executive
branch agencies, including the Department of Commerce. She was
previously a Staff Counsel for the Committee. Dunn holds a B.A.
in History from the University of Kentucky, a J.D. from the
University of Kentucky College of Law, and an L.M. from the
Georgetown University Law Center.
Christopher Finn is the Executive Vice President of Equities
for the American Stock Exchange. Previous positions he has held
have included Senior Vice President of the Air and Water
Technologies Corporation, Chief of Staff to Senator Daniel P.
Moynihan, Deputy Commissioner of the New York State Department of
Economic Development, and Chief Legislative Aide to Congressman
James R. Jones. Finn is a graduate of Harvard College.
Joan Yim is a professional planner with over 17 years
experience in community based planning, policy analysis, project
design and management, inter-agency coordination and government
affairs. From 1975-92, she was with the Hawaii Office of State
Planning as a planner on issues relating to natural resource and
coastal zone management and public infrastructure financing,
among other issues. Currently, she is Supervising Planner with
the Honolulu firm of Parsons Brinckerhogg Quade & Douglas.
Before going to work for the state, she was Executive
Neighborhood Commission Secretary for the City and County of
Honolulu, and Chair on the Kaneohe Community Planning Committee.
A Democratic National committeewoman, Yim holds a B.A. from
Connecticut College and pursued graduate studies at the
University of Hawaii.
(more)
April 14, 1993
page two
Alice Maroni is a professional staff member of the House
Armed Services Committee specializing in defense budget issues.
She previously worked as a national defense specialist in the
Foreign Affairs and National Defense Division of the
Congressional Research Service, and as an international risk
analyst for Rockwell International. She has written extensively
on defense budget related topics. Maroni received her B.A. from
Mount Holyoke College, and an M.A. from the Fletcher School of
Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. She has also completed
the senior service program at the National War College and
Harvard's Program for Senior Executives in National and
International Security.
Deborah Castleman is currently on leave from RAND, where she
is a Space and Defense Policy Analyst. She was an advisor to the
Clinton/Gore campaign on space, science and technology, and
national security issues. Prior to joining RAND in 1989,
Castleman held engineering positions with the Hughes Space and
Communications Group, General Dynamics, and Electrac, Inc. She
served as an Avionics Technician in the Air Force from 1974-77.
Castleman holds a B.S. in Electrical and Electronic Engineering
from California State Polytechnic University, M.S. in Electrical
Engineering from the California Institute of Technology, and M.A.
in International Studies from Claremont Graduate School.
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In 12-step programs (like Alcoholics Anonymous), one of the steps
involves acknowleding a "higher power". AA and other 12-step abuse-
recovery programs are acknowledged as being among the most effective.
Unfortunately, as evidence for God, this can be dismissed by stating
that the same defect of personality makes substance abusers as makes
people 'religious', and the debunker could perhaps acknowledge that
being religious is a better crutch than being a drug addict, but
still maintain that both are escapism. (And I suspect that there
are some atheists who would find the substance abuse preferable to
Christianity.)
I think that an essential problem with communication between Christ-
ians and atheists is that as Christians we necessarily see ourselves
as incomplete, and needing God (the 'God-shaped hole'), while atheists
necessarily see themselves as self-sufficient. If the atheists are
right, Christians are guilty of being morally weak, and too cowardly
to stand up for themselves; if the Christians are right, the atheists
are guilty of considerable arrogance. (I use the term atheist to
refer to a person who has a definite conviction that there is no God,
as opposed to one who does not know and/or does not care about God.)
==
Seanna Watson Bell-Northern Research, | Pray that at the end of living,
([email protected]) Ottawa, Ontario, Canada | Of philosophies and creeds,
| God will find his people busy
Opinion, what opinions? Oh *these* opinions. | Planting trees and sowing seeds.
No, they're not BNR's, they're mine. |
I knew I'd left them somewhere. | --Fred Kaan
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From article <[email protected]>, by [email protected] (John R. Daker):
Oh, sure -- sorry, but the absence of a cupholder is not gonna
discourage anyone from eating/drinking in the car; let's just put one
in anyway, so at least they don't have the further distraction of trying
not to spill it.
Furthermore, you are obviously not a smoker; on a cold day, it
takes a certain skill to toss a butt out of a cracked window without having
it wind-deflect into the back seat. Also, just 'cause some smokers use
the window, doesn't mean all of us do.
This reminds me of *one* pleasant feature in the otherwise
ergonomically-hellish interior of the Alfa Romeo Milano: you could ash
your cigarette without even removing your hand from the wheel; the 'tray
was *right*there*.
These, I will agree, are abominations, right along with the fake
continental spare-tire kit -- it's sad watching those little old ladies
try to load their groceries into the trunk with that huge tire-medallion
in the way.
Most pitiful fake convertible top: on a "Cadillac" Cimarron, with
all the chrome door trim still visible -- not fooling *anyone*.
Of course, there was that Hyundai Excel I once saw...
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[blah blah blah]
let's create a new group: rec.autos.CR-is-right-no-its-not-yes-it-is-oh-yeah-
my-father-can-lick-your-father-.......
:-)
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Now that's funny! (remembering that good humor always dances
uncomfortably close to the truth)
I can't wait to see the inevitable flames. :-)
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I've had PRK.
I would suggest asking a doctor about contacts. Mine said yes to
contacts. I think the scars from RK would preclude contacts.
No. RK makes radial cuts around the circumference of the cornea, up to
8 I think, and these change the curvature of the cornea through stress
chages. PRK vaporizes (burns) away a thin layer from the front of the
cornea making the optical axis of the eye shorter. The laser doesn't
cut in PRK, it vaporizes. In RK, the eye is cut into.
I find my vision is more clear for some things, and less clear for
others, only at night. I notice a definite haloing at night in the
darkness when I look at automobile headlamps, though this is not
something I spend inordinate amounts of time doing. For ordinary
things, my vision, in particular having a fully-operating peripheral
vision, is clearer than with glasses, or contacts.
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Report them to your local BBB (Better Business Bureau).
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Hi,
If you have developed your own windows application you must have a
SDK of some sort that contains the HC.EXE or HC31.EXE file to
compile and generate .HLP files out of .RTF files.
RTF files are generated by a wordprocessor like Word for Dos or W4W.
If this is not the solution be more specific about your application.
Mario
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I have been told that I seem to be very smug in my post. I appoligize
if anyone felt this way. I did not at all desire to come across in
that way. I was trying to express that I didn't understand his logic
and that I wished him the best in his life.
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North heavy Duty hi hat stand $45
older stand... but definately in working shape.. could
use a little clean up. comes with clutch and felts, etc..
Pearl bass drum pedal with felt beater $20
honer cymbal stand $15 (needs some work on cymbal stem)
Zildjian 20" Ride cymbal $55
main line zildjian... older ride cymbal
Ludwig snare stand $10
okay snare stand.. NOT like a remo though ;)
shipping extra.. please email
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Fred.
Try reading a bit. THe government does lots of multi year
contracts with Penalty for cancellation clauses. They just like to be
damn sure they know what they are doing before they sign a multi year
contract. THe reason they aren't cutting defense spending as much
as they would like is the Reagan administration signed enough
Multi year contracts, that it's now cheaper to just finish them out.
Look at SSF. THis years funding is 2.2 Billion, 1.8 of which will
cover penalty clauses, due to the re-design.
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I read somewhere, I think in Morton Smith's _Jesus the Magician_, that
old Lazarus wasn't dead, but going in the tomb was part of an initiation
rite for a magi-cult, of which Jesus was also a part. It appears that
a 3-day stay was normal. I wonder .... ?
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We are developing an MS-Windows based product that uses a full screen window
to display ~24 rows of textual data. Is there any product for Microsoft Windows
that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently (quickly) ??
Please email responses and I will post a summary to this group.
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News reports in Toronto say that the Rangers are insisting that
Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson play for Binghampton in the Calder
Cup playoffs, rather than return to play for their "home" countries
in the World Championships.
...shame on the Rangers.
Another black eye for the NHL in Europe.
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Of course, if you want to check the honesty of your dealler, take it in
knowing what's wrong, and ask them to tell you. :)
Of course he'll probably know right a way, then charge you a $20 service
fee. :)
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Sixteen days I had put off test driving the Honda ST1100. Finally,
the 17th was a Saturday without much rain. In fact it cleared up,
became warm and sunny, and the wind died. About three weeks ago, I
took a long cool ride on the Hawk down to Cycles! 128 for a test ride.
They had sold, and delivered, the demo ST1100 about fifteen hours
before I arrived. And the demo VFR was bike-locked in the showroom --
surrounded by 150 other bikes, and not likely to move soon.
Today was different. There were even more bikes. 50 used dirt bikes,
50 used street bikes, 35 cars, and a big tent full of Outlandishly Fat
Touring Bikes With Trailers were all squeezed in the parking lot.
Some sort of fat bike convention. Shelly and Dave were running one
MSF course each, at the same time. One in the classroom and one on
the back lot. Plus, there was the usuall free cookout food that
Cycles! gives away every weekend in the summer. Hmmm, it seemed like
a big moto party.
After about ten minutes of looking for Rob C, cheif of sales slime,
and another 5 minutes reading and signing a long disclosure/libility/
pray-to-god form I helped JT push the ST out into the mess in the
parking lot. We went over the the controls, I put the tank bag from
the Hawk into the right saddlebag, and my wife put everything else
into the left saddlebag. ( Thats nice.... ) Having helped push the
ST out to the lot, I thought it best to have JT move it to the edge of
the road, away from the 100+ bikes and 100+ people. He rode it like a
bicycle! 'It cant be that heavy' I thought.
Well I was wrong. As I sat on the ST, both feet down, all I could
think was "big". Then I put one foot up. "Heavy" came to mind very
quickly. With Cindy on the back -- was she on the back? Hard to
tell with seat three times as large as a Hawk seat -- the bike seemed
nearly out of control just idling on the side of the road.
By 3000 rpm in second gear, all the weight seemed to dissappear. Even
on bike with 4.1 miles on the odometer, slippery new tires, and pads that
did not yet bite the disks, things seems smooth and sure. Cycles! is
on a section of 128 that few folks ever ride. About 30 miles north
of the computer concentration, about five miles north of where I95
splits away, 128 is a lighly travelled, two lane limited access
highway. It goes through heavily forested sections of Hamilton,
Manchester-by-the-Sea and Newbury on its way to Gloucester.
On its way there, it meets 133, a road that winds from the sea about
30 miles inland to Andover. On its way it goes through many
thoroughly New England spots. Perfect, if slow, sport touring sections.
Cindy has no difficulty with speed. 3rd gear, 4th gear, purring along
in top gear. This thing has less low rpm grunt that my Hawk. Lane
changes were a new experience. A big heft is required to move this
thing. Responds well though. No wallowing or complaint. Behind the
fairing it was fairly quiet, but the helmet buffeting was
non-trivial. Top gear car passing at 85mph was nearly effortless.
Smooth, smooth, smooth. Not sure what the v4 sound reminds me of,
but it is pleasant. If only the bars were not transmitting an endless
buzz.
The jump on to 133 caused me to be less than impressed with the
brakes. Its a down hill, reversing camber, twice-reversing radius,
decreasing radius turn. A real squeeze is needed on the front binder.
The section of 133 we were on was tight, but too urban. The ST works ok
in this section, but it shows its weight. We went by the clam shack
oft featured in "Spencer for Hire" -- a place where you could really
find "Spencer", his house was about 15 miles down 133. After putting
through traffic for a while, we turned and went back to 128.
About half way through the onramp, I yanked Cindy's wrist, our singal
for "hold on tight". Head check left, time to find redline. Second
gear gives a good shove. Third too. Fourth sees DoD speed with a
short shift into top. On the way to 133 we saw no cops and very light
traffic. Did not cross into DoD zone because the bike was too new.
Well, now it had 25 miles on it, so it was ok. Tried some high effort
lane changes, some wide sweeping turns. Time to wick it up? I went
until the buffeting was threating to pull us off the seat. And stayed
there. When I was comfortable with the wind and the steering,
I looked down to find an indicated 135mph. Not bad for 2-up touring.
Beverly comes fast at more than twice the posted limit. At the "get
off in a mile" sign, I rolled off the throttle and coasted. I wanted
to re-adjust to the coming slowness. It was a good idea: there were
several manhole-sized patches of sand on the exit ramp. Back to the
slow and heavy behavior. Cycles! is about a mile from 128. I could
see even more cars stacked up outside right when I got off. I managed
to thread the ST through the cars to the edge of the concrete pad
out front. Heavy. It took way too much effort for Cindy and I to put
the thing on the center stand. I am sure that if I used the side
stand the ST would have been on its side within a minute.
My demo opinion? Heavy. Put it on a diet. Smooth, comfortable,
hardly notices the DoD speed. I'd buy on for about $3000 less than
list, just like it is. Too much $ for the bike as it is.
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Hmm, I don't know where this information concerning the cable and the
warranty came from but I ordered mine from Logos Communications, near
Cleveland, and inside was a Mac cable (with the correct pin connections :-))
and a lifetime warranty. The whole package was assembled at AT&T Paradyne,
and every piece (the serial cable, the telephone cable, etc.) had AT&T
part numbers on them, except the QuickLink software package and the
CompuServe intro kit.
If anyone's interested, Logos number is (800) 837-7777. I ordered mine
last Wednesday and got my modem on Friday, though it's not to far from
Cleveland to Pittsburgh.. :-) On the down side they only ship UPS COD.
- Chris
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Say, you bought your Saturn at $13k, with a dealer profit of $2k.
If the dealer profit is $1000, then you would only be paying $12k for
the same car. So isn't that saving money?
Moreover, if Saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by $1000,
then their cars will be even better deals. Say, if the price of a Saturn was
already $1000 below market average for the class of cars, then after they
reduce the dealer profit, it would be $2000 below market average. It will:
1) Attract even more people to buy Saturns because it would SAVE THEM MONEY.
2) Force the competitors to lower their prices to survive.
Now, not only will Saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit, even
the buyers for other cars will pay less.
Isn't that saving money?
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To incrementally update the contents of windows, I use the following trick:
1. Set the window background to None,
2. Call XClearArea(display, window, 0, 0, 0, 0, True),
3. Restore the window background to its correct value.
The call to XClearArea does not repaint the window background, but still
generates exposure events for visible parts of the window.
In order to let my application know that these expose events must be handled
incrementally (something is already displayed on the screen and may need to
be erased), I encapsulate the 3 operations with 2 self addressed client
messages, which preserve asynchronicity between the client and the server.
XGrabServer(display)
client message (start-incremental)
background None
XClearArea
Restore background
client message (end-incremental)
XUngrabServer(display)
The GrabServer prevents other events to be inserted by the server in the
critical section.
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It amazes me that you have the audacity to say that human creation was not
the result of the natural process of evolution (but rather an "act of God")
and then in the same post say that these other processes (volcanos et al.)
are natural occurrences. Who gave YOU the right to choose what things are
natural processes and what are direct acts of God? How do you know that
God doesn't cause each and every natural disaster with a specific purpose
in mind? It would certainly go along with the sadistic nature I've seen in
the bible.
Adam & Eve (TWO PEOPLE), even tho they had the honor (or so you christians
claim) of being the first two, definitely do NOT represent a majority in
the billions and trillions (probably more) of people that have come after
them. Perhaps they were the majority then, but *I* (and YOU) weren't
around to vote, and perhaps we might have voted differently about what to
do with that tree. But your god never asked us. He just assumes that if
you have two bad people then they ALL must be bad. Hmm. Sounds like the
same kind of false generalization that I see many of the theists posting
here resorting to. So THAT's where they get it... shoulda known.
Nanci
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...
One of the items in the group folder (typically called Norton Desktop Applications)
is labelled "Norton Desktop Uninstall". Need I say more!
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Israel - Happy 45th Birthday!
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Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used
to compute sunrise and sunset times.
I would appreciate any advice.
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Correct. Most X servers use a version of malloc(3) which will not return
memory to the OS (ie. the X server might free(3) a Pixmap, but the heap does
not shrink).
Well, part of the routines I mentioned do a dirty little trick to get around
that problem. First, I create the shared memory segment, attach the client,
attach the X server, and then remove (!) the segment. If you read the man
pages on removing of shared memory segments, you will see that the segment
only dies after all attachments are gone.
Now, if the client dies, that's one attachment gone (the OS cleans up for you)
and since the X server notices the client has dies, frees up it's resources,
including detaching from the segment: there goes the last attachment. No more
shared memory segment.
Terrible, but it works.
Regards,
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The biggest hurdle for automatics (IMHO) is not shifting speed
per se, but rather the transmission's reaction speed when you
try to force it to shift manually.
This was the biggest fault with the Subaru ECVT -- it took SOOOOOO
LONNNNNNNNGGGGG for the tranny to find the right ratio.
The sales propaganda says the Saturn automatic is effectively an
electronically-shifted manual. Might this mean that Saturn has
conquered the problem? (I dunno, only driven Saturn 5-speeds)
INPUT, PLEASE!
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Hello everybody,
I hope that I insert the right Options, so that my question is only
distributed through out Germany, because my question is more or less
country dependend.
Now the question:
Is there anybody who can tell my if (and of course where) there is
a ftp-site/archie (or whatever) where DIN fonts for X are available.
I am looking for fonts holding the specification:
DIN 16
DIN 6776
DIN V 40950
Thanks in advance
Juergen Schietke
Research Insitute for Discrete Mathematics
University of Bonn
Nassestr. 2
5300 Bonn 1 (Germany)
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Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the
kingdom of heaven.
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There seem to be many points to the speaking in tongues thing which
are problematic. It's use as prayer language seems especially troubling
to me. I understand that when you pray in tongues, the spirit is doing
the talking. And when you pray, you pray to God. And the Spirit is
God. So, the Spirit is talking to Himself. Which is why I only go
by the Pentecost use where it's an actual language.
Moreover, the phrase "though I speak with the tongues of men and angels"
used by Paul in I Cor. is misleading out of context. Some would then
assume that there is some angelic tongue, and if when they speak, it
is no KNOWN language, then it is an angelic tongue.
Hmmm...in the old testament story about the tower of Babel, we see how
God PUNISHED by giving us different language. Can we assume then that
if angels have their own language at all, that they have the SAME one
amongst other angels? After all, THEY were not punished in any manner.
So why do these supposed angelic tongues all sound different FROM ONE
ANOTHER? It's disturbing to think that some people find ways to
justify jabbering.
But I'll buy the idea that someone could talk in a language never learned.
Trouble is, while such stories abound, any and all attempts at
verification (and we are to test the spirit...) either show that
the witness had no real idea of the circumstances, or that outright
fabrication was involved. The Brother Puka story in a previous post
seems like a "friend of a friend" thing. And linguistically, a two
syllable word hardly qualifies as language, inflection or no.
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Could someone explain the difference between Tom Gaskins' two books:
o PEXLIB Programming Manual
o PHIGS Programming Manual
Why would I want to buy one book vs the other book? I have an 80386
running SCO UNIX (X11R4) on my desktop, a SUN IV/360 in my lab, and
access to a variety of other systems (Alliant FX/2800, Cray Y/MP) on
the network. Mostly, we would like to do 3D modeling/visualization
of rat, rabbit, monkey, and human brain structure.
Thanks, AJ
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Alexander-James Annala
Principal Investigator
Neuroscience Image Analysis Network
HEDCO Neuroscience Building, Fifth Floor
University of Southern California
University Park
Los Angeles, CA 90089-2520
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Here are the standings after the April 6 update. I'll be leaving for Japan
in 1.5 hours, and I won't be back until April 17. Consequently, I will not
post the week 27 results until April 18. Email sent between April 13 and
April 18 will be processed using the numbers available April 18.
- Andrew
USENET Hockey Draft Standings
Week 26
Posn Team Pts Proj Cash Last Posn
1. Dave Wessels 1478 1575.3 1.9 (1)
2. Gilles Carmel 1389 1533.8 56.3 (5)
3. Bob Hill 1418 1530.8 24.0 (2)
4. The Awesome Oilers 1366 1509.9 68.6 (3)
5. Seppo Kemppainen 1372 1508.9 47.2 (6)
6. Mak "The Knife" Paranjape 1376 1501.8 31.0 (4)
7. Hillside Raiders 1397 1490.7 7.0 (7)
8. Jan Stein 1354 1478.8 35.3 (9)
9. Rangers Of Destiny 1346 1472.5 42.0 (10)
10. this years model 1368 1471.8 17.6 (8)
11. Tapio Repo 1354 1461.0 19.6 (12)
12. FRANK'S BIG FISH 1341 1448.3 22.0 (14)
13. The Underachievers 1309 1446.5 65.4 (16)
14. On Thin Ice 1333 1445.5 32.3 (11)
15. Lindros Losers 1349 1436.9 1.7 (13)
16. littlest giants 1319 1435.7 35.6 (15)
17. Go Flames 1290 1422.6 64.4 (17)
18. Mopar Muscle Men 1328 1411.7 3.7 (19)
19. DIE Penguin Bandwaggoners 1304 1409.7 20.2 (18)
20. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 1298 1383.2 4.9 (21)
21. General Accounting Office 1272 1373.8 20.9 (22)
22. Migods Menschen 1259 1367.0 31.6 (20)
23. Boomer's Boys 1285 1366.1 0.2 (23)
24. Delaware Wombats 1285 1356.2 1.3 (24)
25. Wellsy's Buttheads DEC NH 1223 1354.4 52.6 (27)
26. Rocky Mountain High 1270 1349.3 1.8 (29)
27. Fife Flyers 1232 1346.3 31.4 (26)
28. Gerald Olchowy 1231 1343.0 33.7 (25)
29. Fluide Glacial 1246 1338.5 18.0 (28)
30. Gaoler 1227 1318.3 11.2 (30)
31. SmegHeads 1238 1313.0 0.3 (32)
32. The Young And The Skateless 1185 1299.7 42.9 (31)
33. Artic Storm 1179 1291.8 39.3 (43)
34. Sam & His Dogs 1206 1289.0 11.6 (33)
35. Neural Netters 1199 1287.9 11.3 (35)
36. Youngbucs 1157 1286.6 101.7 (34)
37. Soft Swedes 1154 1275.3 46.9 (58)
38. Jeff Horvath 1188 1262.7 5.6 (39)
39. Yan The Man Loke 1180 1261.3 0.7 (40)
40. Milton Keynes Kings 1180 1259.6 2.8 (42)
41. Hamster from Hoboken 1178 1257.5 8.7 (36)
42. Le Fleur de Lys 1159 1257.3 25.3 (46)
43. ice legion 1157 1256.6 28.8 (37)
44. Simmonac 1133 1254.4 87.6 (44)
45. Kuehn Crushers 1137 1253.1 45.1 (72)
46. The Finnish Force 1149 1249.4 22.5 (48)
47. Streaks 1117 1247.1 54.8 (38)
48. Legion of Hoth 1156 1246.3 15.8 (52)
49. Goaldingers 1146 1240.6 22.0 (45)
50. Grant Marven 1155 1236.0 2.9 (50)
51. bemybaby 1161 1235.2 7.3 (49)
52. T C OverAchievers 1162 1232.8 2.9 (47)
53. Skriko Wolves 1151 1232.4 5.4 (53)
54. Bozrah Bruins 1117 1230.7 45.2 (41)
55. Brian Bergman 1132 1229.3 23.3 (51)
56. LIPPE 1132 1214.7 13.9 (65)
57. Randy Coulman 1140 1214.5 5.2 (56)
58. LAMP LIGHTERS 1138 1214.2 5.9 (66)
59. Dave Snell 1089 1212.5 182.5 (60)
60. Steven And Mark Dream Team 1133 1210.6 3.1 (53)
61. Houdini's Magicians 1126 1209.9 18.3 (59)
62. Real Bad Toe Jam 1096 1208.6 48.9 (63)
63. rec.sport.hockey choices 1137 1208.3 1.3 (63)
64. Iowa Hockeyes 1118 1205.7 16.3 (55)
65. buffalo soldiers 1085 1204.6 62.1 (57)
66. Indianapolis Bennies 1114 1200.6 20.8 (67)
67. Bloom County All Stars 1121 1199.2 4.3 (61)
68. Tom 1109 1194.0 13.1 (68)
69. Phil and Kev's Karma Dudes 1121 1192.6 0.8 (69)
70. AIK Exiles 1078 1188.1 34.5 (70)
71. Doug Bowles 1099 1186.4 20.0 (62)
72. Bruins 1117 1184.9 0.1 (75)
73. smithw 1095 1184.3 21.0 (71)
74. The Great Pumpkin 1057 1178.6 54.4 (73)
75. shooting seamen 1111 1177.8 0.1 (77)
76. Frank Worthless 1099 1176.6 6.3 (82)
77. NON! 1089 1175.7 16.4 (74)
78. Invisible Inc 1104 1173.5 1.1 (79)
79. Brad Gibson 1075 1169.0 27.2 (89)
80. Chubby Checkers 1074 1165.6 16.3 (85)
81. PLP Fools 1092 1164.8 0.1 (76)
82. John Zupancic 1063 1164.2 27.1 (78)
83. Staffan Axelsson 1082 1163.0 15.1 (80)
84. David Wong 1038 1162.5 66.1 (87)
85. Kortelaisen Kovat 1041 1160.7 164.1 (92)
86. Chocolate Rockets 1083 1158.9 2.5 (83)
87. Ken DeCruyenaere 1078 1158.8 5.0 (94)
88. Cougarmania 1061 1154.7 24.8 (86)
89. garryola 1073 1152.9 9.7 (81)
90. Derrill's Dastardly Dozen 1062 1149.6 22.1 (88)
91. No Namers 1033 1147.6 58.2 (91)
92. The Campi Machine 1022 1145.8 65.3 (90)
93. Gary Bergman Fan Club 1071 1145.1 5.1 (98)
94. Fisher Dirtbags 1073 1144.1 0.7 (93)
95. KODIAKS 1076 1141.0 1.3 (84)
96. Arsenal Maple Leafs 1066 1136.0 3.8 (99)
97. The Kamucks 1020 1134.1 76.1 (105)
98. BSC Oranienburg 1067 1132.1 7.1 (102)
99. Bloodgamers 1018 1127.1 42.1 (97)
100. Ellis Islanders 1055 1125.5 7.6 (100)
101. Mombasa Mosquitos 1053 1125.4 6.1 (95)
102. Edelweiss 1049 1122.8 2.9 (101)
103. Zachmans Wingers 1006 1117.7 49.8 (103)
104. Wormtown Woosbags 1001 1114.6 72.6 (96)
105. Dirty White Socks 1008 1113.6 43.4 (106)
106. Hurricane Andrew 1040 1113.5 7.6 (104)
107. Larry 1034 1113.2 11.8 (109)
108. VoteNoOct26 1010 1108.5 31.8 (108)
Bruce's Rented Mules 1033 1108.5 11.9 (110)
110. King Suke 1042 1108.2 0.1 (112)
111. Teem Kanada 1030 1105.3 16.0 (115)
112. Bjoern Leaguen 987 1104.7 61.4 (123)
113. Frank's Follies 1020 1101.2 24.2 (117)
114. Neil Younger 985 1100.9 77.7 (120)
115. Het Schot Is Hard 1027 1100.8 18.1 (121)
116. PSV Dartmouth 1033 1100.7 7.1 (107)
117. Pond Slime 1034 1096.8 0.7 (111)
118. Stanford Ice Hawks 1008 1096.5 28.2 (114)
119. SPUDS 1019 1096.4 12.6 (113)
120. Mark Sanders 1020 1091.9 11.1 (116)
121. Oklahoma Stormchasers 1004 1089.9 28.3 (137)
122. Timo Ojala 1015 1084.2 0.3 (130)
123. Nesbitt 1025 1083.0 1.1 (118)
124. Aye Carumba!!! 1016 1082.4 3.9 (124)
125. Kokudo Keikaku Bunnies 976 1081.2 40.3 (119)
126. Blue Talon 1007 1080.0 13.3 (129)
127. Apricot Fuzzfaces 1001 1078.3 23.3 (125)
128. Haral 1013 1077.8 7.3 (122)
129. garys team 995 1076.5 17.1 (126)
130. Late Night with David Letterman 1013 1075.3 0.0 (133)
131. Arctic Circles 974 1075.2 37.6 (132)
132. The Lost Poots 1000 1072.9 6.7 (127)
Seattle PFTB 988 1072.9 22.9 (134)
134. boutch 92-93 987 1071.5 20.0 (135)
135. Dirty Rotten Puckers 1001 1071.2 1.2 (147)
136. Flying Kiwis 998 1069.8 9.1 (130)
Cluster Buster 996 1069.8 7.6 (136)
138. Scott Glenn 999 1068.7 10.2 (142)
139. Dree Hobbs 988 1068.5 13.4 (146)
140. GO BRUINS 999 1066.6 6.2 (144)
141. Le Groupe MI 975 1065.4 30.2 (141)
142. team gold 992 1065.1 16.7 (128)
143. Closet Boy's Boys 955 1063.4 48.0 (140)
144. Gary Bill Pens Dynasty 982 1063.2 19.6 (151)
McKees Rocks Rockers 998 1063.2 5.1 (151)
146. Tim Rogers 987 1061.9 8.1 (148)
147. Andy Y F WONG 982 1061.1 21.5 (143)
148. Buttered Waffles 947 1059.6 46.0 (145)
149. Bob's Blues 951 1059.2 46.8 (139)
150. Princeton Canucks 945 1058.9 124.2 (154)
151. GO HABS GO 989 1058.7 8.0 (149)
152. Wembley LostWeekenders 998 1057.6 0.3 (157)
153. Wild Hearted Sons 993 1057.5 4.9 (138)
154. Einstein's Rock Band 994 1054.8 0.0 (160)
155. Tap 989 1053.0 0.5 (150)
156. Goddess Of Fermentation 964 1051.0 30.2 (156)
157. HUNTERS & COLLECTORS 945 1050.6 42.4 (163)
158. Dr Joel Fleishman 985 1048.7 3.7 (159)
159. furleys furies 983 1048.6 3.6 (153)
160. convex stars 979 1047.9 5.6 (161)
161. Les Nordiques 939 1046.9 60.4 (155)
162. MY TEAM 932 1045.3 174.8 (167)
163. Hubert's Hockey Homeboys 980 1043.9 0.6 (162)
Book 'em Danno's Bushbabies 977 1043.9 10.5 (169)
165. riding the pine 956 1038.7 20.7 (158)
166. Sundogs 975 1037.1 0.4 (166)
167. Jeff Nimeroff 927 1037.0 48.8 (172)
168. Slap Shot Marco 930 1036.0 51.8 (164)
169. Daryl Turner 976 1035.8 2.4 (179)
170. The Dreamers 921 1033.1 63.7 (180)
171. East City Jokers 919 1031.6 69.1 (173)
172. Flowers 921 1031.4 113.6 (168)
173. Satan's Choice 961 1030.1 14.5 (171)
174. The Leafs Rule!!!! 943 1030.0 25.8 (165)
175. Pierre Mailhot 969 1029.9 2.6 (174)
176. voyageurs 968 1029.4 2.7 (170)
177. Spinal Tap 928 1029.1 41.4 (176)
178. San Jose Mahi Mahi 939 1026.7 31.8 (185)
Stimpy ADG Zeta 949 1026.7 21.0 (182)
180. Jeff Bachovchin 916 1024.7 46.7 (175)
181. Bulldogs 941 1024.5 23.4 (184)
182. LANA Inc 940 1021.0 27.3 (177)
183. Big Bad Bruins 939 1020.6 18.5 (186)
184. Mike Mac Cormack Sydney NS CAN 904 1019.1 107.2 (183)
185. Darse Billings 925 1017.8 34.7 (178)
186. Chappel's Chumps 934 1017.6 24.0 (181)
187. JimParker 903 1014.5 179.0 (192)
188. Republican Dirty Tricksters 894 1008.0 66.0 (189)
189. Enforcers 924 1007.8 28.1 (191)
190. Absolut Lehigh 937 1007.7 8.9 (190)
191. Yellow Plague 933 1005.0 14.2 (187)
192. Dr.D And The S.O.D. 929 1003.8 17.1 (198)
193. Bunch of Misfits 916 1003.3 23.8 (188)
194. Ninja Turtles 942 1000.8 1.3 (194)
195. Great Expectations 934 999.3 2.3 (196)
196. Cherry Bombers 939 998.1 1.2 (200)
197. Henry's Bar B Q 941 998.0 0.7 (195)
198. Robyns Team 907 993.5 30.0 (198)
199. Team Melville 891 991.8 46.9 (202)
200. Umpire 4 life 919 990.9 11.1 (193)
201. Acadien 914 988.9 18.3 (197)
202. Kaufbeuren Icebreakers 894 988.2 37.6 (207)
203. Firebirds 926 986.5 3.9 (201)
204. Jayson's Kinky Pucks 904 986.1 26.9 (203)
205. Cobra's Killers 891 982.5 31.7 (208)
206. Outlaws 871 981.6 164.9 (206)
207. Kuta Papercuts 912 981.5 18.5 (204)
208. Killer Apes 902 979.9 24.3 (205)
209. DARMAN'S Dragons 896 979.4 28.3 (211)
210. Roger Smith 882 978.2 39.6 (212)
211. Those 1st few weeks hurt! 862 975.1 55.9 (210)
212. Thundering Herd 860 972.8 163.6 (218)
213. IKEA Wholesale 910 970.2 1.7 (214)
214. Believe it or dont 895 968.7 21.1 (215)
215. fred mckim 861 966.8 93.0 (217)
216. 400 Hurricane 880 966.4 32.1 (216)
217. Creeping Death 886 965.0 21.3 (220)
218. Knee Injuries 897 964.9 10.4 (213)
219. The 200 Club 902 964.7 6.8 (209)
220. Crazy Euros 888 962.1 17.9 (219)
221. Frack Attack 875 961.8 27.3 (226)
222. Todd's Turkeys 898 957.0 1.9 (229)
223. Ryan's Renegades 858 956.4 50.9 (225)
224. Cafall and Crew 862 955.9 38.3 (222)
225. pig vomit 894 955.2 1.3 (227)
226. Ice Strykers 848 954.4 105.4 (221)
227. Fighting Geordies 850 954.1 141.6 (223)
228. CDN Stuck in Alabama 886 945.7 10.3 (231)
229. Ship's Way 884 943.4 8.7 (233)
230. Swillbellies 870 942.8 18.7 (228)
231. Oz 851 941.8 35.0 (235)
232. Chris of Death 835 939.3 83.6 (234)
233. Banko's Beer Rangers 875 938.6 4.2 (230)
234. NY Flames 872 938.1 7.8 (232)
235. Laubsters II 828 937.4 201.6 (237)
236. dayton bomber 882 935.1 0.0 (241)
237. Zipper Heads 847 931.7 33.9 (224)
238. Ninja Bunnies 826 928.1 44.9 (236)
239. Joliet Inmates 832 926.0 45.8 (239)
240. Widefield White Wolves 832 924.1 36.9 (242)
241. Daves Team 834 920.9 32.0 (238)
242. Great Scott 814 917.8 73.3 (240)
243. South Carolina Tiger Paws 806 915.1 78.4 (243)
244. SANDY'S SABRES 854 910.8 4.7 (245)
245. Florida Tech Burgh Team 809 904.6 49.3 (250)
246. The Ice Holes 850 903.9 2.7 (246)
247. Leos Blue Chips 845 902.9 10.4 (244)
248. For xtc 837 897.8 8.2 (248)
249. roadrunners 826 895.9 18.5 (249)
250. Mudville Kings 816 894.0 27.6 (251)
251. Redliners 820 890.8 15.9 (253)
252. Pat Phillips 827 889.1 10.1 (247)
253. New Jersey Rob 835 883.0 0.7 (252)
254. Stewart Clamen 821 869.4 1.6 (255)
255. Demon Spawn 782 860.1 25.0 (254)
256. Sunnyvale Storm 772 813.5 0.2 (256)
257. Allez les Blues 713 810.7 476.9 (257)
258. Up For Sale Hockey Club 725 795.0 23.0 (260)
259. Petes Picks 689 788.1 168.5 (258)
260. RINACO 682 781.6 114.0 (259)
261. Brenz Revenge 669 718.5 4.0 (261)
262. Dinamo Riga 571 663.8 571.6 (262)
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Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side
would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of
parking stalls...
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DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the
Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in
baseball at 8-1
MY PREDICTION FOR 1993:
Jim Fregosi will win manager of the year in the NL
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I have been to all 3 Isles/Caps tilts at the Crap Centre this year, all Isles
wins and there is no justification for Vukota and Pilon to play for the Isles.
Vukota is absolutely the worst puck handler in the world!! He couldn't hit a
bull in the ass with a banjo!! Al must remember a few years back when Mick
scored 3 goals in one period against the Caps in a 5-3 Isles win. I was there
and was astonished as was the rest of the crowd. Wake-up Al!!! Years later he's
gotten worse. He's a cheap shot artist and always ends up getting
stupid/senseless penalties. I think he would make a good police officier!!!
As for Pilon, he can't carry the puck out to center ice by himself. He either
makes a bad pass resulting in a turnover, or he attempts to bring the puck
towards the neutral zone and skates right into an opposing skater. He can't
stay on his skates with most forwards or centers. He either falls down or
committs a penalty. Call up somebody from Capital District AL!!!!!
As far as the playoffs, the Isles are as difficult to figure out as the Caps.
Two good teams with talent but so inconsistent. They should meet in the first
round. The Isles seem to play up to the level of their competition so they
should play well against Jersey tonite. It'll probably be another tight 1-goal
game as the last 20 games hve been for the Isles. I wish when the get a lead
they could continue to pour it on instead of settling back into a defensive
shell and letting the opposition get back in the game. Al MUST understand he
can't do with this team what he did with the 80-83 Isles. maybe Al should got
to. Where is Bobby Nystrom?? Clark Gilles?? John Tonelli?? These are the kind
of young minds we need behing the bench!! FIRE AL!!!!
John Scialdone
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Gulp.
[Disclaimer: This opinion is mine and does not represent the views of
Fermilab, Universities Research Association, the Department of Energy,
or the 49th Ward Regular Science Fiction Organization.]
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The Blackhawks shall triumph.
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For Sale ---
U.S.Robotics 16.8k HST external modem, including power adapter,
Users Guide and Quick-Reference Card.
$515.00.
Call me voice at (513) 831-0162 -- let's talk about it.
Herb...
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Be very careful with these results! As I recall, numbers from Winbench
2.5 are calculated differently from 3.1, and so these figures are not
comparable.
However, to answer Stephen's question, replacing the Ahead B card with
a Diamond 24x will yield a cost-effective, dramatic speed increase for
Windows. That or the ATI Graphics Ultra Plus....
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What gives the US the right to keep New York? It is the home of the
United Nations as well as being home to a myriad of ethnic groups.
(Actually, NYC is more comparable to the Gaza Strip; the controlling
authority would probably be pleased as punch to unload it on someone
else -- but no-one seems to want it! :-)
A-historical bullshit. Shamir fought the British (who, incidentally,
shipped whole shiploads of Jews back to the Nazis for extermination
and hung those Jewish fighters that they captured and didn't want to
deal with anymore). Shamir did not attack civilians on airliners,
cruise ships, in airports, sports events, movie theaters, markets,
on buses and children in schoolyards. Your comparison to a Master
Murderer like Abu Nidal is BLIND!
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You can also just put the detector off to the side on the dash so the cop
doesn't see it right away...Valentine is the best detector by far (as stated
by Car and Driver) and even tells you what direction the radar is coming from.
It also gives the amount of "threats" it is picking up, so if you go through
the same place everyday, and it always goes off there, you can glance at the
number of "threats" the Valentine is detecting to see if it is a genuine cop.
It's about $300 and you can only get it factory direct..one problem.
Rob Fusi
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WASHINGTON (UPI) -- A senior State Department official on Tuesday
ruled out any softening of U.S. attitudes toward Iraq but said relations
with Iran's Islamic regime could improve substantially if that
government disassociates itself from international terrorism.
``Despite the name-calling and the harsh rhetoric from across the
Gulf, despite all this, we do not take a position of permanent hostility
towards the Islamic Republic of Iran,'' David Mack, deputy assistant
secretary for Near Eastern Affairs, said.
The primary U.S. objection is ``Iran's international behaviour''
which includes ``extending support of violence'' to disrupt the Arab
Israeli peace process and its rapid build-up of dangerous weapons.
Mack said ``Iran could contribute to regional stability and peace but
first it is to end the behaviour which threatens this area.''
Mack spoke at the U.S.-GCC business conference aimed at promoting
Gulf-American trade. He said the ``Middle East will be an item very high
on the agenda of the U.S. administration.''
The importance of the Gulf is underlined by Secretary of State Warren
Christoper's visit last year to Saudi Arabia and Kuwait before anywhere
else in the world, Mack said. He added that the U.S. has no long-term
plan to station troops in the Gulf.
Mack also insisted that the Clinton administration will continue to
pressure Iraq to ``comply with all the U.N. Security resolutions.''
``As long as Iraq is ruled by Saddam Hussein we do not expect
compliance,'' Mack told delegates.
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Still mastering the language, eh? Notice the use of "apparently".
as
if
I'm not denying that at all. But every day is another chance for a good
ending, why push it? Mr. Roby, you are going to die, anyway, why not today?
Every moment of life is precious.
devotion
You
No, you are the heartless "bleeding heart". A flaming liberal who "cares
deeply", who "feels your pain".
You have continually raised this issue, without any understanding of the bonds
between parent and child. It is not easy to say a final goodbye to your
children, I do not think I could do it, either. If that makes me heartless, so
be it. How many children do you have? I have three.
It just makes me sad. I never claimed Koresh was an angel.
I made the same authority worshiper point about you a few lines back. And once
again, Jonestown, however sick it was, was doing OK, until "the Authorities"
showed up and pushed a fragile person over the edge.
A bull in a china shop.
affair
Nope, the constitution in total is, for me. If you think the RKBA is all I'm
about, you misjudge me.
Jim
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Have anybody succeded in converting a atari monomchrome monitor into a
mono VGA monitor. If so please let me know exactly how you did and what
graphics card you used.
/Thanx
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Does anyone out there know if there are print drivers for Windows for the
Panasonic KX-P1091i 9-pin dot matrix printer?
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+++
++Once inflated the substance was no longer
++needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse.
++This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no
++disastrous deflation.
+
+preasure (and the internal preasure that was needed to maintain
+a spherical shape against this resistance) caused them to
+catastrophically deflated. The large silvered shards
+
+The billboard should pop like a dime store balloon.
No, you're wrong about this. Give me some time to get my references.
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I am not at all clear about what you are trying to say here. If you
asked somone, who had never heard of hockey before, if LA played in
the Smythe division what do you think that the response would be?
What if you asked this person if LA played in the West division? The
naming of divisions after long-dead entrepreneurs is unnecessary
obfuscation.
Hardly. The "established" situation existed prior to Smythe, et al.
The Stanley Cup was a challenge trophy up for grabs to whatever team
could successfully mount the challenge. What our dear founders did
was formalize the challenge. They created a closed league, an oligop-
olistic professional system, in the interests of making money. Wheth-
er or not that system has contributed to better hockey is certainly
debatable. We are, however, stuck with their invention and that de-
bate is academic. The point to be made, however, is that people
played hockey and people enjoyed watching hockey long before Smythe
and his pals showed up.
What's wrong with best defenceman, period? Was there ever a better
defenceman? Was there ever a better player? And if you think that
Bruce Norris' contribution was somehow more significant than Bobby
Orr's then, in the interests of education, why don't you take a poll
and find out how many people know who Norris was? But you don't have
to, do you?
So you don't feel that you should have to make the effort to remember
that Vancouver plays in the West division? (Or Pacific, or whatever
other intuitively understandable moniker is chosen.)
And of course you neatly deleted Jason's jingoistic rant about the
game losing its "Canadianization". Quoting me out of context does
more to erode your credibility than it does mine. My position is
clearly progressive and is anything but "biased, closed minded, ig-
norant". Arrogant, I will grant you.
Nice try John. But for a flame to be truly effective you have to
display at least enough intelligence to earn your target's
respect.
cordially, as always,
rm
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Oddly, enough, The smithsonian calls the lindbergh years
the golden age of flight. I would call it the granite years,
reflecting the primitive nature of it. It was romantic,
swashbuckling daredevils, "those daring young men in their flying
machines". But in reality, it sucked. Death was a highly likely
occurence, and the environment blew. Ever see the early navy
pressure suits, they were modified diving suits. You were ready to
star in "plan 9 from outer space". Radios and Nav AIds were
a joke, and engines ran on castor oil. They picked and called aviators
"men with iron stomachs", and it wasn't due to vertigo.
Oddly enough, now we are in the golden age of flight. I can hop the
shuttle to NY for $90 bucks, now that's golden.
Mercury gemini, and apollo were romantic, but let's be honest.
Peeing in bags, having plastic bags glued to your butt everytime
you needed a bowel movement. Living for days inside a VW Bug.
Romantic, but not commercial. The DC-X points out a most likely
new golden age. An age where fat cigar smoking business men in
loud polyester space suits will fill the skys with strip malls
and used space ship lots.
hhhmmmmm, maybe i'll retract that golden age bit. Maybe it was
better in the old days. Of course, then we'll have wally schirra
telling his great grand children, "In my day, we walked on the moon.
Every day. Miles. no buses. you kids got it soft".
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From article <[email protected]>, by [email protected] (Tom A Baker):
My understanding is that the 'expected errors' are basically
known bugs in the warning system software - things are checked
that don't have the right values in yet because they aren't
set till after launch, and suchlike. Rather than fix the code
and possibly introduce new bugs, they just tell the crew
'ok, if you see a warning no. 213 before liftoff, ignore it'.
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There is a wonderful book by Jean Meeus called
"Astronomical Algorithms," (1991) which I am fairly sure
contains an algorithm for sunrise and sunset times.
Dan Asimov
Mail Stop T045-1
NASA Ames Research Center
Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000
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Lev 17:11: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given
it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is
the blood that makes atonement for the soul.
The Old Testament was very big on the "eye for an eye" business. It
makes sense that Leviticus would support physical injury to "repay"
moral wrongdoing.
I know about sanctification. I've been taught all about it in Sunday
school, catechism class, and theology classes. But even after all
that, I still can't accept it. Maybe I'm still not understanding it,
or maybe I'm just understanding it all too well.
From the bottom of my heart I know that the punishment of an innocent
man is wrong. I've tried repeatedly over the course of several years
to accept it, but I just can't. If this means that I can't accept the
premise that a god who would allow this is 'perfectly good', then so
be it.
If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing,
then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me.
Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments
before, and they just don't convince me.
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This is incorrect. This year the Pens had 61 games on "free" TV and 6
games on PPV. Next year they will have 62 games on free TV and 22 on
a subscription basis.
You actually get 1 more free game than last year, and there will be no
more "radio-only" games.
Its a good deal. Last year, everybody bitched about Baldwin "breaking
up the team". Now, he goes out of his way to keep the nucleus of this
team together and that takes money. He comes up with a creative way
to generate more revenue so he can afford this team, and people bitch
some more.
Everybody wants something for nothing.
Dean
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There is a (likely) veto proof majority in the house. The Senate,
unfortunately, is a different story. The Lt.Gov. has vowed that the bill will
not be voted on, and he has the power to do it. In addition, the Senate is a
much smaller, and more readily manipulated body.
On ther other hand, the semi-automatic ban will likely not live, as at least
fifty per cent of the house currently opposes it, and it is VERY far down in
the bill order in the Senate (I believe it will be addressed after the CCW
bill).
And I thought my TX Political Science class was a waste of time!
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Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part03
Last-modified: 1993/4/15
FAQ for sci.crypt, part 3: Basic Cryptology
This is the third of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are
mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.
We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.
Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.
The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu
as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography
FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers
every 21 days.
Contents:
* What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key?
* What references can I start with to learn cryptology?
* How does one go about cryptanalysis?
* What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance?
* What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem?
* If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it
guaranteed analysis-proof in practice?
* Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are
relatively easy to break?
* What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key?
The story begins: When Julius Caesar sent messages to his trusted
acquaintances, he didn't trust the messengers. So he replaced every A
by a C, every B by a D, and so on through the alphabet. Only someone
who knew the ``shift by 2'' rule could decipher his messages.
A cryptosystem or cipher system is a method of disguising messages so
that only certain people can see through the disguise. Cryptography is
the art of creating and using cryptosystems. Cryptanalysis is the art
of breaking cryptosystems---seeing through the disguise even when
you're not supposed to be able to. Cryptology is the study of both
cryptography and cryptanalysis.
The original message is called a plaintext. The disguised message is
called a ciphertext. Encryption means any procedure to convert
plaintext into ciphertext. Decryption means any procedure to convert
ciphertext into plaintext.
A cryptosystem is usually a whole collection of algorithms. The
algorithms are labelled; the labels are called keys. For instance,
Caesar probably used ``shift by n'' encryption for several different
values of n. It's natural to say that n is the key here.
The people who are supposed to be able to see through the disguise are
called recipients. Other people are enemies, opponents, interlopers,
eavesdroppers, or third parties.
* What references can I start with to learn cryptology?
For an introduction to technical matter, the survey articles given
in part 10 are the best place to begin as they are, in general,
concise, authored by competent people, and well written. However,
these articles are mostly concerned with cryptology as it has
developed in the last 50 years or so, and are more abstract and
mathematical than historical. The Codebreakers by Kahn [KAH67] is
encyclopedic in its history and technical detail of cryptology up
to the mid-60's.
Introductory cryptanalysis can be learned from Gaines [GAI44] or
Sinkov [SIN66]. This is recommended especially for people who want
to devise their own encryption algorithms since it is a common
mistake to try to make a system before knowing how to break one.
The selection of an algorithm for the DES drew the attention of
many public researchers to problems in cryptology. Consequently
several textbooks and books to serve as texts have appeared. The
book of Denning [DEN82] gives a good introduction to a broad range
of security including encryption algorithms, database security,
access control, and formal models of security. Similar comments
apply to the books of Price & Davies [PRI84] and Pfleeger [PFL89].
The books of Konheim [KON81] and Meyer & Matyas [MEY82] are quite
technical books. Both Konheim and Meyer were directly involved in
the development of DES, and both books give a thorough analysis of
DES. Konheim's book is quite mathematical, with detailed analyses
of many classical cryptosystems. Meyer and Matyas concentrate on
modern cryptographic methods, especially pertaining to key management
and the integration of security facilities into computer systems and
networks.
The books of Rueppel [RUE86] and Koblitz [KOB89] concentrate on
the application of number theory and algebra to cryptography.
* How does one go about cryptanalysis?
Classical cryptanalysis involves an interesting combination of
analytical reasoning, application of mathematical tools, pattern
finding, patience, determination, and luck. The best available
textbooks on the subject are the Military Cryptanalytics series
[FRIE1]. It is clear that proficiency in cryptanalysis is, for
the most part, gained through the attempted solution of given
systems. Such experience is considered so valuable that some of the
cryptanalyses performed during WWII by the Allies are still
classified.
Modern public-key cryptanalysis may consist of factoring an integer,
or taking a discrete logarithm. These are not the traditional fare
of the cryptanalyst. Computational number theorists are some of the
most successful cryptanalysts against public key systems.
* What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance?
In a nutshell: If f(x) = y and you know y and can compute f, you can
find x by trying every possible x. That's brute-force search.
Example: Say a cryptanalyst has found a plaintext and a corresponding
ciphertext, but doesn't know the key. He can simply try encrypting the
plaintext using each possible key, until the ciphertext matches---or
decrypting the ciphertext to match the plaintext, whichever is faster.
Every well-designed cryptosystem has such a large key space that this
brute-force search is impractical.
Advances in technology sometimes change what is considered
practical. For example, DES, which has been in use for over 10 years
now, has 2^56, or about 10^17, possible keys. A computation with
this many operations was certainly unlikely for most users in the
mid-70's. The situation is very different today given the dramatic
decrease in cost per processor operation. Massively parallel
machines threaten the security of DES against brute force search.
Some scenarios are described by Garron and Outerbridge [GAR91].
One phase of a more sophisticated cryptanalysis may involve a
brute-force search of some manageably small space of possibilities.
* What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem?
The security of a strong system resides with the secrecy of the key
rather than with an attempt to keep the algorithm itself secret.
A strong cryptosystem has a large keyspace, as mentioned above. The
unicity distance is a measure which gives the minimum amount of
ciphertext that must be intercepted to uniquely identify the key and
if for some key, the unicity distance is much longer than the amount
of ciphertext you intend to encrypt under that key, the system is
probably strong.
A strong cryptosystem will certainly produce ciphertext which appears
random to all standard statistical tests (see, for example, [CAE90]).
A strong cryptosystem will resist all known previous attacks. A
system which has never been subjected to scrutiny is suspect.
If a system passes all the tests mentioned above, is it necessarily
strong? Certainly not. Many weak cryptosystems looked good at first.
However, sometimes it is possible to show that a cryptosystem is
strong by mathematical proof. ``If Joe can break this system, then
he can also solve the well-known difficult problem of factoring
integers.'' See part 6. Failing that, it's a crap shoot.
* If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it
guaranteed analysis-proof in practice?
Cryptanalytic methods include what is known as ``practical
cryptanalysis'': the enemy doesn't have to just stare at your
ciphertext until he figures out the plaintext. For instance, he might
assume ``cribs''---stretches of probable plaintext. If the crib is
correct then he might be able to deduce the key and then decipher the
rest of the message. Or he might exploit ``isologs''---the same
plaintext enciphered in several cryptosystems or several keys. Thus
he might obtain solutions even when cryptanalytic theory says he
doesn't have a chance.
Sometimes, cryptosystems malfunction or are misused. The one-time pad,
for example, loses all security if it is used more than once! Even
chosen-plaintext attacks, where the enemy somehow feeds plaintext into
the encryptor until he can deduce the key, have been employed. See
[KAH67].
* Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are
relatively easy to break?
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It's not really their _decision_ to be tried. The rulings _do_ have
legal consequences, but only in Islamic law and not in UK law (this
should be obvious). Enforcing a judgment is distinct from the making
of a judgment. Take for example the judgments of the World Court. This
is an internationally recognized tribunal whose judgments often have no
physical or economic effect but which _are_ important despite the fact
that their judgments cannot be enforced
Of course, have you read any of this thread before this post?
Of course, it is a sort of anarchism. Anarchism is explicitly against
Islam. Thank you for your well reasoned response, but it is beside the
points I've been making in this thread.
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Good question. I also wanted to find out and I did a while ago.
In our former communist times such activity (i.e. sending crypto emails)
would be prevented sooner ot later, law or no law. But now there is no law
against it. So we are free to use it. We now have an EC conformant law for
protection and registration of personal files. You must remember that the
situation in small countries is vastly different from the big ones.
--
Borut B. Lavrencic, D.Sc. | X.400 :C=si;A=mail;P=ac;O=ijs;S=lavrencic
J. Stefan Institute | Internet:[email protected]
University of Ljubljana, | Phone :+ 386 1 159 199
SI-61111 Ljubljana, Slovenia | PGP Public Key available on request
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I have a 286 with an M205 motherboard. The Last Byte memory manager (which
I downloaded for a trial) reports the chipset is an AddTech PCCHIP1 chipset,
and it is able to activate the ram behind segments A000-FFFF, which can then be
used for UMBs (except for video/BIOS). I would like to write my own driver to
activate the memory. Does anyone know where I can get programming information
on this chip?
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Actually detecting a BREAK is done by watching for a "character" containing
all zero bits with the framing error resulting from its receipt. This
means that the line stayed in the zero bit state even past the stop bit
time slot, which basically indicates a BREAK. There is no special way to
detect BREAK that I have found other than this -- there's no magic signal
generated by UARTs, etc.
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I was wondering if anyone had any information about Molluscous contagiosem.
I acquired it, and fortunately got rid of it, but the question still lingers
in my mind: Where did it come from? The little bit of info that I have
received about it in the past states that it can be transmitted sexually, but
also occurs in small children on the hands, feet and genitalia.
Any information will be greatly appreciated.
"I grow old, I grow old;
I shall wear my trousers rolled."
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Clemens is going on his normal four days' rest (last pitched Saturday).
Hesketh only pitched one inning yesterday afternoon, his first outing
since an aborted 1-1/3 inning start 6 days before, so he should be plenty
rested to go in his expected turn this Saturday, as the 5th starter. Not
that this is a good thing, of course. I'd like to see a well-managed
four-man rotation with this team...
---
Glenn Waugaman
Digital Equipment Corporation
Littleton, MA
[email protected]
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for a
identifies
that
Is this software available either commercially or public domain? If so
where?
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mitigate
literature,
First, let me offer you my condolences. I've had kidney stones 4 times
and I know the pain she is going through. First, it is best that she see
a doctor. However, every time I had kidney stones, I saw my doctor and the
only thing they did was to prescribe some pain killers and medication for a
urinary tract infection. The pain killers did nothing for me...kidney stones
are extremely painful. My stones were judged passable, so we just waited it
out. However the last one took 10 days to pass...not fun. Anyway, if she
absolutely won't see a doctor, I suggest drinking lots of fluids and perhaps
an over the counter sleeping pill. But, I do highly suggest seeing a doctor.
Kidney stones are not something to fool around with. She should be x-rayed
to make sure there is not a serious problem.
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henrik] The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their
henrik] RIGHTS to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are
henrik] INVADING their homeland.
HE] Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today
HE] Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan)
HE] are their homeland. Can't you see the
HE] the "Great Armenia" dream in this? With facist methods like
HE] killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the
HE] blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to
HE] escape the from Lacin, a city that was "given" to the Kurds
HE] by the Armenians.
Nagorno-Karabakh is in Azerbaijan not Armenia. Armenians have lived in Nagorno-
Karabakh ever since there were Armenians. Armenians used to live in the areas
between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh and this area is being used to invade
Nagorno- Karabakh. Armenians are defending themselves. If Azeris are dying
because of a policy of attacking Armenians, then something is wrong with this
policy.
If I recall correctly, it was Stalin who caused all this problem with land
in the first place, not the Armenians.
henrik] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane
henrik] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one
henrik] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane
henrik] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA.
HE] Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 U.S. Cargo planes
HE] were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities
HE] announced that they were going to search these cargo
HE] planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany.
HE] 5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of
HE] of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not
HE] humanitarian aid.....
What story are you talking about? Planes from the U.S. have been sending
aid into Armenian for two years. I would not like to guess about what were in
the 3 planes in your story, I would like to find out.
HE] Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about.
HE] Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons
HE] to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan
HE] it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons
HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons?
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:
:
:::Didn't Christ tell his disciples to arm them selves, shortly
:::before his crusifiction? (I believe the exact quote was along the
:::lines of, "If you have [something] sell it and buy a sword.")
:
::This from a guy who preached love, deference of power to God and
::renunciation of worldly life in exchange for a life of the spirit? If
::Jesus did in fact command his disciples to arm themselves, I would
::take that as yet another reason to reject Christian doctrine, for
::whatever it's worth.
Like most religions, the doctrine has good and bad in it. I would
certainly reject the current implementations of the doctrine.
:
:No. The above is a classic example of taking a scripture out of context.
:It's taken from Luke 22:36. But note vs 37; "For I tell you that this
:which is written must be accomplished in me, namely, 'and he will be reckoned
:with lawless ones'...". He then stated that two swords were enough
:for the group to carry to be counted as lawless.
So having more than the politically correct number of weapons was
cause to be arresed and killed even then, huh?
:Jesus' overiding message was one of peace (turn other cheek; live by
:sword die by sword; etc).
Yes, of course, as in Matthew 10:34-35 "Do not suppose that I have come to
bring peace to the earth; it is not peace I have come to bring but a sword..."
:
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: The next Sunday, the sermon was about Joshua 6 (where the Israelites
: take Jericho and then proceed to massacre everybody there --- except
: for Rahab, who had sheltered the spies). With those reports about
: Bosnia in my mind, I felt uncomfortable about the minister saying that
: the massacre (the one in Joshua) was right. But what really bothered
: me was that, if I was going to try taking Christianity seriously, I
: shouldn't be so troubled about the reports of "ethnic cleansing" in
: Bosnia. Certainly, my sympathies shouldn't be with the Moslims.
: Considering that the Bosnian Muslims are descendants of Christians
: who, under Turkish rule, converted to Islam could the Serbs be doing
: God's work?
Perhaps it would be useful to ask whether those doing the ethnic
cleansing could be said to be loving those they are killing in the very
act of killing. Does it reflect the attitude of God, who sends rain to
both the just and the unjust? If not, then Christians should be
uncomfortable with it. Jesus gave his followers the law of love to
follow and it is by exhibiting this that disciples will be known.
Doctrinal (or political) correctness is not the standard, so I don't see
why Christians should be moved against the Serbs because their ancestors
converted from Christianity to Islam. It seems to me that as a
Christian you _should_ be troubled by the ethnic cleansing.
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Jesus also recognized other holy days, like the Passover. Acts 15 says
that no more should be layed on the Gentiles than that which is necessary.
The sabbath is not in the list, nor do any of the epistles instruct people
to keep the 7th day, while Christians were living among people who did not
keep the 7th day. It looks like that would have been a problem.
Instead, we have Scriptures telling us that all days can be esteemed alike
(Romans 14:5) and that no man should judge us in regard to what kind of
food we eat, Jewish holy days we keep, or _in regard to the sabbath. (Col. 2.)
I don't think that the Sabbath, or any other command of the law is totally
irrelevant to modern Christians, but what about Collosions 2, where it says
that we are not to be judged in regard to the keeping of the sabbath?
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Yes, worshipping Jesus as the super-saver is indeed hero-worshipping
of the grand scale. Worshipping Lenin that will make life pleasant
for the working people is, eh, somehow similar, or what.
The notion of Lenin was on the borderline of supernatural insights
into how to change the world, he wasn't a communist God, but he was
the man who gave presents to kids during Christmas.
Don't know what they were, but they were fanatics indeed.
Cheers,
Kent
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I have the following 45 rpm singles for sale. Most are collectable 7-inch
records with picture sleeves. Price does not include postage which is $1.21
for the first record, $1.69 for two, etc.
Pink Floyd|Learning to Fly (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$5
Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columbia Promo/Picture Sleeve)|$10
Waters, Roger|Sunset Strip (Columiba Promo)|$5
Waters, Roger|Who Needs Information (Columiba Promo)|$10
If you are interested, please contact:
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Watch your language ASSHOLE!!!!
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Are you using Fastopen? If you are, disable it. We had a lot
of problems with fastopen corrupting weird things (including
the Windows permanent swap file) when we were using it.
Indeed they are. Advanced Personal Measure tells me they are accessed
just before shell.dll
I really like Spinrite and QA Plus
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for SRC
In most languages, the Feast of the Resurrection of Our Lord is
known as the PASCH, or PASQUE, or some variation thereof, a word
which comes from the Hebrew PESACH, meaning "Passover." In English,
German, and a few related languages, however, it is known as EASTER,
or some variation thereof, and questions have been asked about the
origin of this term.
One explanation is that given by the Venerable Bede in his DE
RATIONE TEMPORUM 1:5, where he derives the word from the name of an
Anglo-Saxon goddess of Spring called EASTRE. Bede is a great
scholar, and it is natural to take his word for it. But he lived
673-735, and Augustine began preaching in Kent in 597. The use of
the word EASTER to describe the Feast would have been well
established before the birth of Bede and probably before the birth
of anyone he might have discussed the subject with. It seems likely
that his derivation is just a guess, based on his awareness that
there had been an Anglo-Saxon goddess of Spring bearing that name,
and the resemblance of the words. Thus, if the said resemblance
(surely it is not surprising that a personification of Spring should
have a name similar to the word for Dawn) is not in istelf
convincing, the testimony (or rather the conjecture) by Bede does
not make it more so.
Assuming that Bede was right, that would not justify saying that the
Christian celebration (which, after all, had been going on for some
centuries before the name EASTER was applied to it) has pagan roots.
It would simply mean that the Anglo-Saxons, upon becoming Christians
and beginning to celebrate the Resurrection by a festival every
spring, called it by the name that to them meant simply "Spring
Festival."
However, Bede's is not the only theory that has been proposed. J
Knoblech, in "Die Sprach," ZEITSCHRIFT FUER SPRACHWISSENSCHAFT 5
(Vienna, 1959) 27-45, offers the following derivation:
Among Latin-speaking Christians, the week beginning with the Feast
of the Resurrection was known as "hebdomada alba" (white week),
since the newly-baptized Christians were accustomed to wear their
white baptismal robes throughout that week. Sometimes the week was
referred to simply as "albae." Translaters rendering this into
German mistook it for the plural of "alba," meaning "dawn." They
accordingly rendered it as EOSTARUM, which is Old High German for
"dawn." This gave rise to the form EASTER in English.
Yours,
James Kiefer
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Ever hear about cutting off the electricity? That was done.
How effective is an electric stove then?
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THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
_____________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release April 15, 1993
PRESS BRIEFING
BY DEE DEE MYERS
The Briefing Room
9:45 A.M. EDT
Q Why was the 10:00 a.m. postponed?
MS. MYERS: Just due to scheduling conflicts. So as we
put out, the President will meet with the leaders of the national
police organizations at 2:00 p.m. in the Rose Garden, as opposed to
10:00 a.m. The only other things on his schedule today are: At
11:00 a.m. he'll meet with General Vessey, who, as you know, is on
his way to Vietnam to continue working on the MIA-POW issue. At
12:30 p.m. he'll have lunch with the Vice President in the Oval
Office. And at 2:00 p.m. he'll meet with the police organizations.
Then from 3:00 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. he'll do his weekly photos with the
various groups.
Q A photo op with Vessey?
MS. MYERS: There's no coverage on the Vessey meeting.
Q Why?
MS. MYERS: Why? It's a closed meeting.
Q What about the lunch?
MS. MYERS: The lunch? No, there's no coverage.
Q Is he meeting with any congress people today?
MS. MYERS: Nothing scheduled.
Q There are no meetings --
MS. MYERS: There are no congressional meetings today,
no.
Q Has the President been given any information by the
Pentagon or reached any conclusion about the validity of this report
from Hanoi? Any instructions to Vessey on how to deal with the
Vietnamese on that subject?
MS. MYERS: Well, clearly, the report is the first order
of business. It's high on the agenda on something that they'll
discuss. I think the President and General Vessey will discuss the
parameters of his visit to Vietnam today, but the President hasn't
drawn any conclusions about the report yet. Certainly, it's
something that he wants General Vessey to talk with the Vietnamese
about first.
Q Did the President talk with any Republican senators
yesterday about the stimulus package?
MS. MYERS: He spoke with Senator Dole.
Q How many times?
MS. MYERS: I believe once during the day and once last
night.
Q What was the outcome of that?
MS. MYERS: They're continuing to work toward some kind
of an agreement on a jobs package.
Q Is it your impression that Senator Dole is in any
way flexible on this?
MS. MYERS: Well, I think we're hopeful that we're going
to get some kind of jobs package through the Senate, and we'll
continue to work with Senator Dole and others until we reach some
kind of an agreement.
Q Did they discuss the VAT tax?
MS. MYERS: I don't know if that came up.
Q Can you check that?
MS. MYERS: Sure.
Q So what are they -- is the President offering to
scale down his program -- is that what he's trying to do, buy it down
to where Dole will sign on?
MS. MYERS: Well, he's trying to protect as much of it
as he can. But it's important to him to get some kind of a jobs
package through the Senate and through Congress now. And as soon as
we reach some conclusions on that, we'll let you know. But at the
moment, he's continuing to consult with members of Congress
including, obviously, Senator Dole.
Q Is he talking to anybody else?
MS. MYERS: I don't believe he talked to any other
Republicans yesterday.
Q Is he talking to anybody today?
MS. MYERS: I don't think anything is scheduled, but I
wouldn't rule it out.
Q We were led to believe that the President called
Mr. Dole on the subject of Russian aid and that Bob Dole brought the
conversation around to stimulus package. Is that correct?
MS. MYERS: I think the President has contacted several
people on Russian aid. I think that it was always expected that the
stimulus package or the jobs package will be part of any conversation
he would have with Senator Dole. The primary objective of the
conversation was Russian aid. That was the first order of business,
but it was both.
Q In the President's mind, are they linked
politically in that if the Republicans continue to reject the
stimulus package, he thinks it will be harder to sell Russian aid to
the American people? Has he made that argument?
MS. MYERS: I can't talk about specifically what
arguments he might have made. The President is obviously committed
to both. He liked to see a jobs package to the American people
first. But as you know, we outlined the details of additional
Russian aid last night in Tokyo.
Q But does the President believe that the stimulus
package will make it more difficult to persuade Americans to vote for
Russian -- to accept a vote for Russian aid?
MS. MYERS: I think that the President is going to
continue to work to pass the stimulus package, to pass a jobs
package, and we're still hopeful that we'll get some kind of jobs
package through the Congress.
Q Is it fair to say that the President is negotiating
now with Dole?
MS. MYERS: He's discussing options with him.
Q On the stimulus, is it your understanding that over
the break some Democrats, themselves, have left the support that they
had earlier for the package, the stimulus package?
MS. MYERS: I think we still have wide support in the
Senate for the jobs package.
Q But specifically, that you've lost Democrats other
than Shelby?
MS. MYERS: I don't believe so. There hasn't been a
vote.
Q What about Kohl?
Q Kohl and Feingold?
MS. MYERS: There hasn't been a vote yet. And we'll
continue to work with senators to try to get a majority to try to
bring the package to a vote, because we believe that a majority of
the members of the United States Senate support the package.
Q If you're weren't worried about Kohl and Feingold,
why did George mention Milwaukee projects the other day?
MS. MYERS: I think George pointed out a number of
projects in a number of states that stand to be funded, or to lose
funding if this jobs package doesn't pass.
Q No Democrats. (Laughter.)
MS. MYERS: I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
Q Does he plan to talk to Dole again today or any
other Republicans again today?
MS. MYERS: There's nothing specifically scheduled, but
again, I wouldn't rule it out.
Q Does he plan to put out any more press releases to
any other states today?
MS. MYERS: What we've done is we're in the process of
breaking down the benefits of the jobs package state by state. I
think it's entirely feasible that as we sort of are able to sum those
up, we'll send out press releases to the various states that suggest
how their states would benefit from this package.
Q Will you share those with us?
MS. MYERS: Sure. As we did yesterday.
Q Do you have copies of the ones you sent --
MS. MYERS: Yes, we made those available yesterday. And
we certainly can continue to provide them today.
Q Dee Dee, since yesterday's questions and subsequent
stories about the VAT, what further consideration of this issue has
been given?
MS. MYERS: Nothing's changed since yesterday. I think
the President commented on it this morning to say only that it was
something he knew was being considered by the task force and that he
has not made a decision on, and I don't think we have anything to add
to that.
Q But he also said that business and labor groups are
telling him they support it. Can you tell us --
MS. MYERS: I think that there has been -- I'm not going
to speculate on who supports it. I think the President said that
there has been some support among business and labor groups. I don't
think he said he was directly contacted by them.
Q Are we to take that to mean that the administration
has sounded out business and labor groups on this --
MS. MYERS: I think there's been plenty of public
discourse on this over the years and even recently, but I don't think
I want to add to that.
Q In February, though, the President said that this
was something to be considered 10 or 15 years down the road. What
has happened between then and now to cause this administration to
change its mind?
MS. MYERS: I think as we said yesterday, it is
something that the working groups are looking at. They're
considering a wide variety of options on everything from funding to
specific options that will be covered by the President's health care
plan. The President has not taken it up yet, has not made a decision
on it. And beyond that, I don't have anything to add.
Q You haven't answered the question. It wasn't being
considered by anyone in the White House after the President's
comments in February, and George reaffirmed that in a briefing.
Q And then suddenly --
Q What happened?
MS. MYERS: The working groups, as we have said
throughout, we instructed to consider a wide variety of options
across-the-board. And one of the things that has been talked about
and that they are clearly considering is some kind of a value-added
tax.
Q But the President himself took this off the table,
Dee Dee, and suddenly it reappears. And this goes to the credibility
of this administration in a way. What has happened in the meantime?
MS. MYERS: The President has not looked at this, it
hasn't been presented to him, again, yet. The working groups are
looking at it, as they're looking at a wide variety of options, and
no decisions have been made.
Q And it raises the question of how independently the
task force is working.
MS. MYERS: The task force was instructed to consider
all options, and they've taken that mandate seriously and they're
considering all options.
Q But that's not the impression that the President
left in February. The impression he left was that this was something
that was long-range, to be looked at 10, 15 years down the road. The
clear implication of his remarks was that this was something that was
not on the table, not an option.
Q "If it changes I'll tell you."
Q Bring him on.
Q And you repeatedly referred to the President's
remarks, telling us that those were still in operation.
MS. MYERS: It's changed, and we told you. (Laughter.)
Q But that's what Alice Rivlin's comments and Donna
Shalala comments were about. I mean, that seemed like an
orchestrated effort because you have two independent Cabinet officers
--
MS. MYERS: I wouldn't -- no, Alice Rivlin's not a
Cabinet member, first of all. Second of all, it was not
orchestrated, but clearly, they both said yesterday and in the last
couple of days that it's something that's being looked at. We
confirmed that yesterday. And I don't have anything to add to that.
Q Is it because he has very few options?
Q Is this something that it will be incumbent upon
the task force to convince the President about? In other words, has
the President himself personally ruled it out and it's now up to the
task force to convince him to put it back on the table? Or is it, in
fact, back on the table, having been placed there by discussions with
the President?
MS. MYERS: It is not the working group's mission at
this point to convince the President of anything. It is their
mission to put before him his options and to explain the benefits and
the costs and the basic pros and cons of each of those options. I
think that they will certainly present the VAT to him in that
context, and at this point he's not -- that presentation has not been
made, but it's something that he will hear and he has not made a
decision on.
Q They will present it to him as one of his options,
though he specifically ruled it out?
MS. MYERS: Correct.
Q Dee Dee, is this more than a trial balloon? Is
this a serious consideration that the working groups are giving to
this form of taxation?
MS. MYERS: It's simply a statement of fact. The
working groups are considering a wide variety of options on a number
of issues relating to health care reform. One of the options that
they're looking at is the VAT.
Q Dee Dee, when the working groups were examining
this possibility, was this on the table during the same time period
that you were telling us that it was not?
MS. MYERS: I don't know what the specific timing of
their drafting of options is. I don't know.
Q Who was telling you that it was not under
consideration?
MS. MYERS: I was referring back to the President's
comments.
Q Have they discovered that the sin taxes won't raise
enough money to fund the core benefit package?
MS. MYERS: No, there's no decisions that have been made
on how to pay for the health care plan.
Q I'm asking whether the projections --
MS. MYERS: There's a number of options depending on how
the plan is structured. You can't decide how much the plan is going
to cost until you decide what the plan is going to look like. And so
you can't discuss what financing options have been ruled in our out
until you know.
Q Dee Dee, we've been told that they have a computer
models on a number of possible packages.
MS. MYERS: Correct.
Q The question is whether they have now determined
whether sin taxes would not produce enough money for even the barest
minimum package. That is not a very difficult computation.
MS. MYERS: It is a question that you know that we're
not going to answer until -- there's a number of options being
considered. It depends on how the package is structured. The exact
details of the package and the financing mechanisms used to pay for
them are all among the decisions that have yet to be made.
Q And when the President has been meeting with health
care -- his health care advisors, which we are told he has been doing
--
MS. MYERS: Correct.
Q they have never once said to him, these are your
funding options, including the VAT? He has never heard the word VAT
in his --
MS. MYERS: I am not going to comment on the specific
nature of the daily -- they're not daily, but the quasi-regular
briefings.
Q Well, you have.
MS. MYERS: I have not, other than to say that he's not
considered the VAT. And I think that is a true statement.
Q No, but you said that it has not been presented to
him as an option.
MS. MYERS: Correct.
Q That doesn't mean he hasn't heard about it.
MS. MYERS: I'm not going to get into the details of
what's discussed. I think that statement stands for itself.
Q specific, Dee Dee. When you say he hasn't
looked at it, do you mean that he hasn't looked at it in terms of
paying for medical coverage, or hasn't looked at it in general?
Because back in Chilicothe he was very specific in defining how it
works, what the advantages are, the whole thing. It sounds like --
MS. MYERS: But that was -- I think in Chilicothe, if
you go back to his remarks there, it was a broader philosophical
discussion of the tax structure. And I think the comments were
generally in reference to the overall economic plan. But clearly,
it's something that he's thought about in the broad context. I mean,
that was clear in Chilicothe. What I'm saying is that in the process
of the working groups it's something that he hasn't considered yet.
It's something that the working groups will present to him among the
number of options, and that no decisions have been made. And I'm not
going to comment any further on the details of the meetings where
health care issues are being discussed.
Q It's your statement from this podium that no
discussion of this has taken place. You say that no option -- that
the option has not been presented to him.
MS. MYERS: That is correct.
Q Do you stand by -- does the White House still stand
by George's statement in March that this will not be in the proposal?
MS. MYERS: No decisions have been made. We have
nothing to add to what's already been said.
Q Let me follow up here. Do you stand by what Rivlin
said yesterday, that if any kind of VAT were to be used or
considered, that other changes to the tax code would have to be made
so that it would be less regressive?
MS. MYERS: I'm not going to comment any further on what
might happen if.
Q But do you stand by the previous conversations in
February that if there were to be a VAT, I think the President said
you'd exclude food and energy --
MS. MYERS: I'm not going to comment on the specific
structure of a decision that hasn't been made.
Q Was the President aware prior to Donna Shalala's
comments yesterday that this was under consideration by the working
groups?
MS. MYERS: I don't know specifically what --
Q Could you check for us, because that's a real
important credibility question?
MS. MYERS: Sure.
Q Since the task force was brought together this
issue has been discussed, at the beginning and throughout, as one
fairly painless way to raise a lot of money. Were you all kept in
the dark? Was the Press Office kept in the dark over the past month
and a half when you've been denying that a VAT tax would be
considered that it was actually on the table over there as an option?
MS. MYERS: I think we've said all that we have to say.
It is something the working groups are looking at. The President has
not made a decision about it yet. And beyond that, I have nothing to
add.
Q Well, sorry, Dee Dee, there are still a couple of
questions that we are going to have to ask because we have a problem
with credibility here -- yours primarily. What we're asking is, if
you all were not told at all that this thing was being considered
while you were coming out here and telling us that it was not, or if
it's a case that you were coming out here and deliberately misleading
us.
MS. MYERS: I don't believe that anyone has ever come
out here and deliberately misled you from this podium -- ever --ever.
Q Has anyone tried to shade it a little bit to
indicate something -- has anybody told anybody to come out --
MS. MYERS: We're not trying to shade answers or
deliberately mislead anybody. I've said what I have to say about
this issue.
Q All we were trying to find out --
MS. MYERS: I understand what you're trying to find out
and I've given you the answers, Helen.
Q We're trying to find out what changed -- what made
it an option again. That's the --
MS. MYERS: The working groups were given a broad
mandate to investigate all options, and they are doing that.
Q Yes, but it wasn't an option before. How can you
investigate it if the President has taken it off the table?
MS. MYERS: It is something that they're obviously
considering and the President has not made a decision on.
Q Yes, but he took it off the table in February.
MS. MYERS: Working groups are considering it. They'll
present it to the President at some point and he'll make a decision.
Q Why would they consider it if he has taken it off
the table?
MS. MYERS: It's clearly on the table.
Q Yes, but he took it off the table. Did he change
his mind?
MS. MYERS: It's back on the table, Bill.
Q Did he change his mind?
MS. MYERS: He said this morning that he hasn't made a
decision about it. He obviously knows that it's on the table. It's
something that he will look at at some and when we have a decision on
this we'll let you know.
Q So he must have changed his mind, right?
MS. MYERS: At some point it will be looked at. I mean,
--
Q Dee Dee, there's like two options -- either he
changed his mind or the working groups think they're authority
exceeds the President's.
MS. MYERS: The working groups were given a broad
mandate to look at all options; they've done that.
Q Are you going to put out his income tax?
MS. MYERS: Yes, there will be something available on
his income tax probably later this afternoon. His return will be
available.
Q Will there be any kind of briefing to go through
it?
MS. MYERS: No, nothing's planned. I think someone will
be available, probably not in a briefing setting, but to walk you
through the questions.
Q We're used to be walked line-by-line through the
presidential tax forms.
MS. MYERS: I've seen those briefings. (Laughter.)
Q Could we have one?
MS. MYERS: No, I don't think there will be any kind of
a formal briefing, but there will be somebody available to answer
your questions about it.
Q Did they file a joint form?
MS. MYERS: Yes.
Q When did he file it?
MS. MYERS: I believe it's being filed today.
Q Dee Dee, is there going to be a backgrounder for
Miyazawa?
MS. MYERS: No, there will be a readout after the
meeting.
Q No backgrounder today?
MS. MYERS: No backgrounder today.
Q This is complicated stuff. We need help.
(Laughter.)
MS. MYERS: We can't give you taxes and Miyazawa all in
one day, it's too confusing. (Laughter.)
Q Vance and Owen have opened the doors on the use of
force in Bosnia. They've both said that, A, they never ruled it
out, and B, it might be necessary now. Does that influence your
thinking on whether or not to change your approach?
MS. MYERS: There's been no change in our policy towards
Bosnia. We have always said that we'd consider --
Q But does that impact upon your decision? Are they
people whose opinions would carry weight with you?
MS. MYERS: They're people whose opinions carry weight
certainly. I mean, the President supports the process that they've
initiated. But there's been no change in our policy for Bosnia,
although we're considering a number of options right now. If the
Serbs don't come back to the negotiating table, if they don't sign on
to some kind of an agreement, we will consider additional options,
which we've been saying regularly.
Q One follow-up question then? We cannot get a
straight answer from anyone in the administration. Why do you not
set a deadline for the Serbs? Can you tell us the strategic or
tactical reasons for not giving them a deadline to come to the table?
MS. MYERS: We're continuing to put pressure on them
every day.
Q Which doesn't work so --
MS. MYERS: Well, we think it is having some effect.
We're going to continue to tighten sanctions. As you know, we
support the omnibus resolution. We expect that to come to a vote on
the 26th.
Q You say it's having an effect -- can you give us
any documentation?
MS. MYERS: I'd be happy to provide somebody to talk to
you about the impact of the sanctions and things like that.
Q There's been no -- you have not been able to
provide anybody who can tell us that the sanctions have had any
effect in Bosnia. Serbia, yes; in Bosnia, no.
MS. MYERS: I think that they've had effect in Serbia
and we think they've had some effect in Bosnia. And again, I'll be
happy to provide somebody to walk you through the details of that, if
you'd like.
Q We would like to hear from someone who can show us
what the effect has been in Bosnia. We had the briefing on all of
the terrible things that are happening in Belgrade, but we haven't
seen anything that indicates an impact on the fighting. Can you
provide something along those lines?
MS. MYERS: I will see what I can get you.
Q On the extra Russian aid that Christopher announced
this morning -- where is that money coming from?
MS. MYERS: We'll have to work with Congress on the
details of that package.
Q So that would be new money that you would hope to
get?
MS. MYERS: Yes, that's new money, in addition to the
$1.6 billion announced in Vancouver. So I assume that you all have
seen the $1.8-billion package that was announced this morning in
Tokyo by Secretary Christopher.
Q Isn't there a concern, though, about offering
something which you have to get in Congress? I mean, that was the
concern with Vancouver; you didn't want to do that.
MS. MYERS: The concern with Vancouver was to do
something immediately, which required money that was already approved
in the Fiscal '93 budget. What we're looking at now is a little bit
longer-term plan to build on top of the $1.6 billion that we
announced in Vancouver. This clearly will require congressional
approval, or some of it will anyway, and we're going to continue to
work with Congress to make that happen.
Q To what extent has that been vetted or agreed to by
Congress?
MS. MYERS: The President has had a number of
conversations with members and will continue to work with them as
this process moves forward.
Q Was Christopher able to put this package out with a
fair degree of understanding that you will be able to get it through
Congress?
MS. MYERS: It was created in consultation with
Congress.
Q In meeting with the law enforcement officials, is
that -- does that have a set speech and a goal? A direction?
MS. MYERS: Yes, the President will talk about -- and
the law enforcement organizations are endorsing the President's jobs
package. They believe particularly the summer jobs package will help
give kids something to do.
Q Who are they?
MS. MYERS: It's members or leadership from three
organizations: NAPO, which is the National Association of Police
Organizations; IBPO, which is the International Brotherhood of Police
Organizations, I believe; and IUPA, which is the International Union
of Police Associations.
Q Will the FBI chief be there?
MS. MYERS: The FBI chief? No.
Q Or any other federal law enforcement officials?
MS. MYERS: No, it will be the President and these
national law enforcement organization leaders.
Q Does the $1.8 billion announced today include the
$400 million that's in the FY '94 budget for disarmament?
MS. MYERS: No. The Nunn-Lugar money is separate.
Q So this would be the $700 million that's in the
budget already, plus another $1.1 billion?
MS. MYERS: I believe all of this is on top of the $700
million already in the budget.
Q Is this going to be part of the supplemental or
Fiscal '94 --
MS. MYERS: We'll work with Congress on the exact
funding mechanism -- on exactly how this will be paid for.
Q This $1.8 billion on top of --
MS. MYERS: On top of $700 million -- on top of the $400
million Nunn-Lugar money we announced earlier.
Q And this is what prompted the President to call Bob
Dole -- it was on this tranche, not on the previous money he was
calling Bob Dole?
MS. MYERS: Correct.
Q Is there a briefing on Miyazawa?
MS. MYERS: There will be a readout after the meeting
with Miyazawa. Tomorrow.
Q Dee Dee, on a totally unrelated matter, some
Republicans who are active in the U.S. Chamber of Commerce are
complaining about this new cozy relationship between the White House
and the Chamber of Commerce. There are -- the town hall meeting the
other night, the satellite and all of this relationship.
Does the White House feel that you're getting too close to these
Chambers of Commerce?
MS. MYERS: That's an interesting charge. (Laughter.)
After how many years of Democrats being accused of not paying any
attention to the Chambers, now there are those who would accuse us of
being too close. I think that's interesting. But no, we're thrilled
by the support we've received from the national Chamber and local
Chambers across the country and we'll continue to work with them on
this and other initiatives.
Q What's the status of the President thinking about
going to this Democratic retreat?
MS. MYERS: It's on his calendar. I think he'll almost
certainly go.
Q All three days?
MS. MYERS: We haven't figured out exactly when he'll be
there yet.
Q Is it open to coverage?
MS. MYERS: No, I believe the whole thing is closed.
Q Is he going to have any kind of address, statement,
anything at all on the gay rights march on the 25th?
MS. MYERS: We're still looking at that. We haven't
made a final decision about how we'll -- who will make a statement or
what --
Q Any meetings scheduled with any of the leaders?
MS. MYERS: Nothing is scheduled, but I wouldn't rule it
out.
Q What about an AIDS czar?
MS. MYERS: It's coming.
Q Anything on the weekend?
Q There's been a suggestion that he's going to this
retreat to avoid having to participate in the gay rights -- or appear
or have any involvement in the gay rights march.
MS. MYERS: No, I think this is something he's been
discussing for a long time -- appearing at the Senate Democratic
retreat.
Q The weekend?
MS. MYERS: Weekend? Don't know -- the only thing on
right now is the radio address on Saturday.
Q Any travel plans?
MS. MYERS: If it changes -- none right now.
Q He's not going to be off campaigning for his
stimulus package?
MS. MYERS: No specific plans right now.
Q What about mid-week? Anything likely?
MS. MYERS: It's possible. Yes, I think it's likely
that we'll travel next week -- certainly the weekend.
Q Has he called Thurmond about his daughter?
MS. MYERS: I don't know. I'll check.
Q Going to name a drug czar this weekend?
MS. MYERS: This weekend? I don't believe so.
Q And the radio address on Saturday -- is that going
to be focused on the stimulus package?
MS. MYERS: I'm sure it will.
THE PRESS: Thank you.
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KY>To all those who have PASSATs, do you recommend using Super Unleaded or just
KY>regular Unleaded Gasoline. I have been using Regular Unleaded. A friend of mine has
KY>a Jetta and has always used Super Unleaded and thinks I should be using the same;
KY>however, I believe the advantages of Super Unleaded for CARs $30000 and under
KY>has been overplayed by guess who: the companies who sell them, because that is
KY>where they make the most PROFIT. A Ralph Nader report and other consumer advocates
KY>have in the past spoken against those oil companies.
Your Passat VR6 is designed to run on premium gasoline, however the
engine electronics will retard the timing so that no harm wil be done
to the engine with lower octane fuel.
You will likely, however, get somewhat more power and fuel mileage
(especially in hot weather) out of this particular engine if you do
run it on premium.
Tom Neumann
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93!04.16 e.v. After the Glorious Eve of Taxation
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
The word of Sin is Restriction.
"To all whom it may concern -
...
"It is known only to a few that there exists an external visible
organization of such men and women, who having themselves found
the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the
burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience,
and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be
guided.
"While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc.
have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of
the civilised world, all following some line of occult study,
yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics
which shows the seeker after truth a Royal Road to discover
The Lost Mysteries of Antiquity, and to the Unveiling of the
One Hermetic Truth.
"This organization is known at the present time as the Ancient
Order of Oriental Templars. Ordo Templi Orientis. Otherwise:
The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light.
"It is a Modern School of Magic. And, like the ancient schools
of magic, it derived its knowledge from the East. This Knowledge
was never its possessors.[sic] It was recorded in symbol, parable
and allegory, requiring a Key for its interpretation....
"This key can be placed within the reach of all those who... apply
for membership to the Oriental Templars (O.T.O.).
"The O.T.O.... is a body of Initiates in whose hands are
concentrated the secret knowledge of all Oriental Orders and of all
existing Masonic Degrees....
"The O.T.O., although an Academia Masonica, is not a Masonic Body,
so far as the Craft degrees are concerned in the sense in which that
expression is usually understood in England, and therefore in no way
conflicts with or infringes the just priveleges of the United Lodge
of England. English Master Masons in good standing, by arrangement,
on affiliation, are admitted at reduced charges. Members of the IX
degree become part-proprietors of the Estates and Goods of the Order.
For further information see the publications of the O.T.O., and the
synopsis of the degrees of the O.T.O."
'Constitution of the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars,
Ordo Templi Orientis',
by Frater Superior Merlin Peregrinus X Degree,
Past Grand Master Albert Karl Theodor Reuss
Taken from _Equinox III: 10_,
Edited by Frater Superior Rex Summus Sanctissimus,
United States Caliph of Ordo Templi Orientis
Invoke me under my stars. Love is the law, love under will.
I am I!
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What is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus WC?
I know that the Rangers are holding back Kovalev, Zubov, and Andersson for
Binghamton, but I also know that the Whalers wanted Michael Nylander to play
for Springfield, while Nylander wanted to play for Sweden. The Whalers allowed
the NHL to decide, and the NHL chose the WCs. How does this differ from the
Rangers and Oilers? Did the Whalers have to go through the league, or could
they have forced Nylander to play in Springfield?
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In fact, you probably want to avoid US Government anything for such a
project. The pricetag is invariably too high, either in money or in
hassles.
The important thing to realize here is that the big cost of getting to
the Moon is getting into low Earth orbit. Everything else is practically
down in the noise. The only part of getting to the Moon that poses any
new problems, beyond what you face in low orbit, is the last 10km --
the actual landing -- and that is not immensely difficult. Of course,
you *can* spend sagadollars (saga- is the metric prefix for beelyuns
and beelyuns) on things other than the launches, but you don't have to.
The major component of any realistic plan to go to the Moon cheaply (for
more than a brief visit, at least) is low-cost transport to Earth orbit.
For what it costs to launch one Shuttle or two Titan IVs, you can develop
a new launch system that will be considerably cheaper. (Delta Clipper
might be a bit more expensive than this, perhaps, but there are less
ambitious ways of bringing costs down quite a bit.) Any plan for doing
sustained lunar exploration using existing launch systems is wasting
money in a big way.
Given this, questions like whose launch facilities you use are *not* a
minor detail; they are very important to the cost of the launches, which
dominates the cost of the project.
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I have a 24-pin printer which is an ALPs Allegro24. It's both a fast
printer with LQ and a very sophisticated design. It has a straight paper
path and the capability of auto-forwarding sheets to tear off and then back
(a big paper saver as you never have to waste sheets to get a current
print out). It can also handle single sheets without removing the formfeed
and has sophisticated preferences options (you can interactively program
all the preferences to control the printer and get printed feedback without
ever using a computer). You get prompts and menus to pick your current setup
and default set up. This was THE top of the line LQ dot matrix when I bought
it three years ago for $399. It is also Epson LQ2500 compatible (besides it's
own modes) and comes with IBM driver software (which I've never used since I
own an Amiga). Has a card slot for upgrading memory or fonts.
I'll let it go for $150 including shipping prepaid. COD orders must pay
all shipping and COD costs.
Adisak Pochanayon - 608-238-2463
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Also a light gun and UFORCE controller for Nintendo but with PD driver
software to use them on the Amiga. The light gun is fully remote (no wires).
Best offer over $75 ($30 less than my cost and they are both brand new).
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Jeez!!! It never fails, get in the tub and there's a rub at the lamp!
-- The Genie from Aladdin.
[email protected] eddie (Adisak) Pochanayon
Check out all of SilverFox SoftWare's Releases.... your Amiga entertainment.
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Just a quick question. If Mary was Immaculately concieved, so she
could be a pure vessel, does this mean that she was without sin
and, therefore, the perfect (meaning sinless) female human being?
Is this why she is held so highly in the Catholic Church despite
it's basically patriarchical structure?
She was immaculately conceived, and so never subject to Original Sin,
but also never committed a personal sin in her whole life. This was
possible because of the special degree of grace granted to her by God.
She is regarded so highly because of her special relationship to God,
and everything that flows from that relationship.
The Catholic Church sees her as the new Eve. (The Fathers in the
early Church use this particular figure a lot.)
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