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"I can seee Russia from my house."
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\- Sarah Palin
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How is Russia losing and Ukraine winning? This war looks like a stalemate with an ever increasing pile of bodies to me. A lose lose for the poor saps who have been drug into this mess. And in the end, Russia will gain land.
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Jesus Christ this is the shit that makes us look bad. I’m as conservative as it gets but people need to stop advocating for Russia and excusing Russian aggression.
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Ukraine is literally fighting for its life, was never aggressive, and bloodied the fuck out of one of American’s largest enemies. Are there fucking idiots in the right who truly support the literal antithesis of American conservative values? A few decades ago Russian was the god damn Soviet Union, the progenitor of Communism.
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OP, you’re just a leftist masquerading as a conservative. Get out of here.
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Because Russia invaded Ukraine? After invading Ukraine before in Crimea and invading Georgia? With their generals talking of invading Moldova and a plan being leaked to destabilize and take Belarus?
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Russia is the bad guy here.
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#Maybe because Russia invaded a another country?
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The perpetual war machine keeps turning, and the US population is distracted by fighting over which side of the uniparty gets to be in charge
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Just look at the price tag to rebuild Ukraine and who is getting the paycheck. War is profitable, and so is post war construction
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☝️well put!
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Are you seriously claiming that Russia shares a border with the US...?
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As usual, the people calling anyone that is critical a "Russian shill" proudly displays how they are miserably informed
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Like many others here, I expect that person was too stupid to understand the words that they use.
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As if the Baltic countries aren’t already part of NATO lol, the difference in distance is negligible.
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Okay, so then solve it diplomatically. Don't invade.
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Russia could have had put pressure on the US and EU to maintain neutrality on Ukraine as a buffer zone.
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It did not. Instead it invaded Crimea, and propped up the breakaway Donetsk Republic. In response NATO began arming and training Ukraine, because Russia had already invaded it.
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Who threatened that? We have nukes in Western Europe, but not in the Baltics or in Poland.
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>How anybody can be against supporting them against invasion is absolutely flabbergasting.
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Morally, yes. Financially, no.
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It’s wild how hard it’s becoming to find news articles and statements from 5 years ago when it comes to certain topics
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Have you been following the war? I see you are into tanks, so I am surprised this discussion is happening at all.
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From the West, Leopards and Challengers have entered the field, and Abrams are coming soon, the finest combat tanks in the world.
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From the East, Russia was sending T-62 tanks introduced in 1962, but now they are sending in T-54/55s introduced first in 1948.
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Against Abrams tanks with depleted uranium ammunition? You know Russia is dusting off museum pieces and you doubt they are losing?
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The ruble is fluctuating in value between a penny on the dollar or a dime, Russia is now a customer of North Korea for artillery shells and Iran for drones, and due to sanctions they can’t sell oil as they did and cannot build new modern fighters, tanks and guided munitions.
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Russia is fighting Ukraine but facing the world’s best weapons from the West, and their losses have been staggering.
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Yes Putin can keep throwing the poor Russian soldiers to their deaths, but time is not on Russia’s side.
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Ukraine is moving slowly, and this presents problems for Russians in Crimea, as the Kerch Straight bridge has been hit several times and as Ukraine gets closer to it, it will be targeted many more times. Then Russia will only be able to feed and arm soldiers in Crimea through contested parts of Ukraine, then it is just a matter of time till Crimea falls back to Ukraine.
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The smaller parts of Ukraine bordering Russia will be tougher, but those will fall in the end as well, as Western sanctions and military support will continue till all of Ukraine is again under Ukrainian control.
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Seriously, how do you look at the reality of the war and not see Russia as losing far worse than they thought they would win?
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When this is over and Ukraine is restored it will join NATO and will have been heavily armed by the west, trained by the USA in our combined arms doctrine, and will present a wall against Russia that they can never invade again.
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From this war of Aggression Russia has already lost more soldiers than the USA (who loves to fight wars) has lost going back to WW2. Their economy is broken, and might never recover to pre war levels. Russia will never be trusted on the world stage again under Putin. Russia will leave this war dar weaker militarily than they started, and now with Sweden, Finland and Ukraine in NATO.
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No one is advocating for Russia. It's weird how all the "conservatives" without flairs keep repeating that line.
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Dude, breathe for a second and think. A few decades ago is not the same as now. The global landscape changes and has changed. War and global conflict is not as simple as "this country bad, that country good." Russia will always be our arch-nemesis? Why? There's no reason that has to be the case. For example, you and I both have no allegiance to leftists, but there are a lot of leftists in the U.S. Do they get a pass just because they're American?
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Wars are not fought on national boundaries, they're fought along ideological lines. It's extremely understandable that not everyone is bought in on what we're being told about the Ukraine war. How do we know that narrative is trustworthy? The reality is that none of us know the full story and whether there are shady backroom deals going on, or not. It's certainly foolish to assume that all Russians are our enemies. Only governments actually make the decisions.
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Don't believe the propaganda. I am certainly not convinced by the Hollywood photo ops that Ukraine is fighting for its life. It's all politics and games for the ruling class.
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Russia is the bad guy but they didn’t do this unprovoked. The US and every western nation knew that Ukraine was Russias red line on fighting back.
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My point is I’m not getting how people knew all of this instantly. It takes time for an individual to do his own research. The reason why people came so quickly to these conclusions is the media gave them the conclusions and everyone hopped on board without a shred of research. It’s a big problem in this country, people trust the news too much. They accept the news as fact.
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“War is good for business” -Everything is a Rich Man’s Trick
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Your confidence in your ignorance is hilarious by itself so I won't put you down any further.
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Yes, US shares a border with Russia. It's a maritime border in Bering Strait.
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They were solving it diplomatically until Biden and the EU reportedly interfered and blow up the peace deal, figuratively, and then blow up the pipeline literally
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Funny how this didn't happen under Trump who was pushing for Ukraine to stay out of NATO and didn't want more wars, but the moment Biden gets in power instantly the NATO push happens and Russia feels threaten by the same people who love endless wars...
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Not saying Russia is in the right, not at all, but it's clear as day what happened
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The US just finished building and AEGIS missle facility in Poland.
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NATO has a nuclear weapon sharing program, so if Ukraine were to join NATO, they would probably get nukes.
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The western economies are also teetering on destruction. I don't think that the quality of tanks is a good indicator of who's winning. I think how well one side or the other is able to hold territories is a better indicator. And for the most part this has grown stagnant. Russia wanted the Eastern part of Ukraine to "protect" ethnic Russians. They for the most part hold that ground.
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Russia hasn't been "trusted" on the world stage in 500 years, isn't new. It's rooted in their flavor of Christianity.
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Buying weapons for pennies on the dollar from shit hole countries doesn't weaken Russia, although the optics of it are poor.
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Also even though Ukraine has been trained in our way of fighting, they lack control of the sky which is paramount to how we fight.
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Russia isn't giving up Crimes either. They will fight like hell to keep it at nearly any cost, due to the population of ethnic Russians and access to the black sea. Thinking that territory is going back to Ukraine is a pipe dream.
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The did do it unprovoked.
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If you want to rob your neighbor, and are angry that your neighbor is thinking of buying a gun for self defense and you wouldn’t be able to so you go in shooting, you are at fault. You don’t get to attack because your enemy is preparing to defend themselves.
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Research?
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Russia invaded Georgia, to add territory. Then they invaded Ukraine and took Crimea to take territory.
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Then the world watched as they invaded Ukraine again to take territory, that doesn’t take research to see who the A hole is.
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Is this Sarah Palin's Reddit account?
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Can you see the Russians from your front porch?
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They annexed Crimea while Obama was in office. What are you even talking about?!
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Why do you think that? It would be a provocation, which is why Poland doesn't have them and Finland won't get them.
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AEGIS is defensive, and absolutely not nuclear. If the Poles want a defensive missile shield (and it is run by Poland, not the USA) and willing to pay for it, who anywhere gets to tell them no? Not Russia. It’s Russias constant threats about releasing Satan 2 missiles on them that got it built. Btw, SATAN 2s are nuclear tipped. So who is exactly threatening nukes? Not Poland.
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Lol, the west is hurting, but not close to where Russia is.
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And you are working really hard to defend your point, it makes me question your motives here.
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Russia is losing badly and publicly, and you seem to want to cling to any possible hope that somehow their inevitable defeat can somehow be victory.
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T54’s from the Korean War era going on against Abrams, you think that is not a bad sign for Russia.
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Ok.
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When do you think the war in Ukraine actually started?
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Yes research. That’s how thinking people come to conclusions. Instead of automatically accepting whatever the news says as gospel. The majority of people today don’t even read articles, they just scan the headlines. People immediately jumped on the bandwagon without a second thought.
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Also, if them invading Ukraine is why they are the bad guy I guess a lot of people are going to be renouncing their citizenship and leaving the US since we have invaded many parts of the world.
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My overall point is we have a problem in society where people jump on any bandwagon handed down by the corporate media without a second thought.
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Like all “miserably informed” Russian shills, once faced with facts you're out of arguments.
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Did I mention Obama even once? Or that Russia did take over areas while Bush or Obama were in office? No I didn't
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I was specifically talking about in the very early stages of the war right now there was a chance to end the war diplomatically with Ukraine signing a treaty to not join NATO and that deal was blown up which multiple sources say was because of the west not wanting the peace deal.
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But yes, Putin invaded while under Bush, Obama, and Biden. All 3 war mongers who had interest in the region and we know for sure Obama and Biden pushed Ukraine to join NATO with Obama pushing for Crimea to cut off Russia's access to the sea.
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What are you even talking about?
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Meh pretty sure those missiles and facility could be used in an offensive capacity if they wanted to. It probably does already they just don't let it be known publicly.
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I don't have a dog in this fight between Russia and Ukraine, but I'd say that I don't personally want America engaged in any stupid proxy wars. Particularly against China or Russia. Russia is losing badly and publicly according to Western media, but Ukraine is losing badly and publicly according to the Russian side. I know our media is absolutely nothing more than propaganda and lies. When it comes to this war, I have to assume that the Russian side is also full of shit. When both sides are lying, the territory gained and lost is our known truth. Yes, the Abrams is far superior to a T54, but the quantities of T54 are far greater than the Abrams. In tank vs tank 1v1 we all know our Abrams will smoke a T54. But T54 vs infantry or a lightly armoured column is a situation where that T54 is going to be dangerous. In general though, fuck sending the Ukrainian and Russian townfolk to slaughter each other in as large of numbers as possible. Fuck us instigating and supplying weapons just to make the problem worse. Fuck the world getting dragged into WW3. This bullshit would be over already if we weren't supplying Ukraine. I couldn't care less if Ukraine is governed by Ukraine or Russia.
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When Russia invaded Crimea.
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We watched it happen live, there is no research to be done. And the US going into various places isn’t something I support, but we didn’t paint a flag and keep them, which is what Russia did in Georgia, Crimea and what they intended to do in Russia.
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That behavior has to be stopped and stopped here. Somehow I wish people here could summon just enough resolve not to be modern day Neville Chamberlains.
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If you don't realize the difference between a maritime border and a land border, I can't help you.
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Are the Russians in the room with you right now?
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You must be really pissed about Hillary selling uranium rights to Russians
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So they weren’t and haven’t been solving shit diplomatically. Putin is a fuckin piece of shit. You trying to blame Biden isn’t even correct since Putin took over Georgia while Bush was in office. Nothing about his actions have been diplomatic or how the Ukrainians have been treated by Russia for the last 200 years.
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This is all Russia and Putins fault (not blaming the citizens) and it is as clear as day that is the case. So are so wrong in this and it sounds like you are shilling for a fuckin tyrant.
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AEGIS isn’t an offensive system. It just isn’t. It shoots down missiles and aircraft. That’s it’s role. The one in Poland isn’t even on a ship, and has zero mobility. Pick something else to bitch about.
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Negative. Started with the CIA sponsored coup just before. You can listen to Victoria Nuland, at the time assistant to the US Secretary of State, discussing who would take control of the country, weeks before the actual coup takes place.
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I will ask you this next question and would like your honest opinion, if Russia sponsored a regime change in Mexico, began training their citizens for war, moved weapons towards the border, and a slew of other sketchy shit you don’t think the US should invade?
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We get what we deserve as a society. When people just listen to anything the liberal media spews we know why. It’s funny because typically people in this thread recognize how corrupt the media is. I guess no research to figure out why either.
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This is a big problem in this country. Why do you think so many people have become fixed against Trump? Or fixed against conservatives? Because they question nothing, the media makes their claims and people just get on board.
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Maybe if the mainstream media reported on suspected biolabs in Ukraine people would take that seriously. Or the repeated evidence of nazis working for Ukraine, people seem very quiet about that.
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No research means people never even bothered to find out why they invaded. People don’t care to know why, it’s more important to just get on the bandwagon. You’re more popular that way.
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lol, ok that is a theory, and has nothing to do with Russia. And no the USA would not invade Mexico, I would not support it, and we wouldn’t do it.
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And the USA has a rather long history cleaving after military action, and not just taking over.
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You can’t seriously think this wasn’t Putin planning to take Ukraine for Russia, and then Moldova, and then Belarus.
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Anything else is an excuse that you are buying into because it fits the narrative that you seem to have chosen.
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Having followed Russia’s wars of aggression for some years, I didn’t need research to know why, and there is no point in listening to Putin talk about Nazis in a country run by a Jewish man.
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