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http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/454633-easy-peasy/ | Store History & Geography The Story of the World See All Volume 1 : Ancient Times Volume 2 : The Middle Ages Volume 3 : Early Modern Times Volume 4 : The Modern Age History of the World ( High School ) See All Who in the World Biographies Jim Weiss History Stories Ancient Medieval Renaissance & Early Modern Modern Other History & Geography Resources Reading Writing Grammar Math Religion Jim Weiss Resources For Parents Academy Textbooks Articles & Videos Articles & Videos Home What To Teach Methods & Approaches Subjects Teaching Techniques & Tips Where to Jump In College Applications How To Do It Daily Life Finding Others Forms , Regulations , & Record - Keeping Learning Challenges The Well - Trained Mind Extended Guide Publishers & Suppliers Additional Curricula Online Learning Classes and Tutorials Learning Challenges Getting Organized Getting Started What To Teach How To Do It Well - Trained Mind Fourth Edition Community Well - Trained Mind Community Classifieds Social Groups / Clubs Jump to content Existing user ? Sign In Sign Up Search In Everywhere Topics This Forum This Topic More options . . . Find results that contain . . . Any of my search term words All of my search term words Find results in . . . Content titles and body Content titles only Browse Clubs Forums Guidelines Leaderboard More Activity All Activity Search More Leaderboard Classifieds More All Activity Home Education K - 8 Curriculum Board Easy Peasy What ' s with the ads ? Archived This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies . Easy Peasy By lexi February 18 , 2013 in K - 8 Curriculum Board Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Recommended Posts lexi 1,702 1,702 Hive Mind Royal Larvae Members 2,443 posts Report post Posted February 18 , 2013 Ok , I ' ve been hearing a lot of talk about Easy Peasy Homeschool lately . So , being a curriculum junkie I of course had to go check it out . First , the layout is a little confusing to me . It seems a little difficult to navigate - maybe because there ' s so much there . . . . . . But after looking around the site , I keep thinking I ' m missing something . Everyone says it ' s a complete curricula but when I looked at it , there does n ' t seem to be much there as far as depth in each subject . The math and language arts seems really light to me . : glare : I ' m not sure it would be challenging to my first grader ( who is fairly average ) . So , who uses this ? Who has checked it out ? What does everyone think ? Do you like it ? Do you think it ' s complete ? I ' ve heard it recommended so many times but after looking at the website I ' m not sure I understand the hype . Thoughts ? ? ? : confused1 : WendyAndMilo 3,562 WendyAndMilo 3,562 Hive Mind Queen Bee Members 3,051 posts Hive Mind Royal Larvae 2,443 posts Report post Posted Yeah , the layout is confusing . And from the title " Easy Peasy " . . .I would expect it to be light . Depth is not easy ; challenges are n ' t easy . True . . . . . . . . .I thought they meant easy as in planned out for you and easy to use . But the layout confuses me , so that ' s not " easy " right there . I showed it to my hubby because he was curious too and he did n ' t feel it was rigorous after looking through some of the first grade week plans . It looked like all you did was watch math videos for math or play online games . I ' m not sure where all the teaching and practice is . It also seemed disjointed . But , I ' ve read nothing but positives about it so I thought maybe I was totally missing something ! Hen 749 Hen 749 Creative minds are rarely tidy 2,888 posts delaney 620 delaney 620 She who hates the word " panties " 3,092 posts I only use it as a supplement . There are tons of links to things like music , poetry , logic games . . . . .but as a true curriculum probably not . But it is free and she is sharing it so I pull what I think the kids will like . teeniebeenie6 450 teeniebeenie6 450 Hive Mind Level 5 Worker : Forager Bee Registered 903 posts could the glowing reviews be plants from the founders of the program ? What a terrible , baseless insinuation ! No , she asked for reviews on facebook and many of her fans sent reviews . She recently had a premature baby that was in the hospital for a long time , but even with that has continued to work on and improve her website . I use it as a supplement and love it . The reading section is excellent . So much so , that I decided not to buy the second part of our Hooked on Phonics Learn to Read . My kids are in Grade 1 and K and susankhan 88 susankhan 88 Hive Mind Larvae 182 posts We LOVE Easy Peasy ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! I use it for my 7 and 9 year old . I must say that there is NO busy work that I have seen and is complete . We do use other materials as every curriculum you can add or subtract from however if you just used easy peasy it would be complete . Lee who runs Easy Peasy is an amazing woman who has dedicated so much time to this FREE curriculum . I love her and love the curriculum Susan Khan mamakven 55 mamakven 55 Hive Mind Level 4 Worker : Builder Bee 514 posts I use it with my older children my sixth and eighth grader we supplement lightly , but overall I find it to be a fairly complete curriculum . Right now we need very independent work to happen with our family situation so I ' m thrilled with it I think it ' s a huge blessing and I ' m so glad to have it . i think it could make a good base even if you add stuff to it and it could be a very good basic start for school . Certainly ca n ' t beat the skeeterbug 720 skeeterbug 720 Hive Mind Level 6 Worker : Scout Bee 1,630 posts Location Australia February 19 , 2013 I have n ' t heard of this . . .and opened this thread hoping you were giving out tips to make homeschooling more easy peasy ! ! ! : D Would n ' t that be nice ? ? ? Homeschooling is the most challenging , yet rewarding , thing I ' ve ever done . And we ' re only in 1st grade ! We have a long way to go ! Creative minds are rarely tidy 2,888 posts February 19 , 2013 What a terrible , baseless insinuation ! No , she asked for reviews on facebook and many of her fans sent reviews . She recently had a premature baby that was in the hospital for a long time , but even with that has continued to work on and improve her website . I use it as a supplement and love it . The reading section is excellent . So much so , that I decided not to buy the second part of our Hooked on Phonics Learn to Read . My kids are in Grade 1 and K and it was n ' t an insinuation , but simply a question , since she was n ' t getting any answers from anyone who has actually used the program . Posting self - positive reviews is not uncommon in the online world , it is a problem , I have heard , on Amazon and people are even paid to leave a positive review . I am honestly sorry I offended you , I do not know the person who made the program . Again , though I did not insinuate this was so but merely put the question out there . boscopup 3,456 boscopup 3,456 Qualified Bee Keeper 11,745 posts Location Alabama it was n ' t an insinuation , but simply a question , since she was n ' t getting any answers from anyone who has actually used the program . Posting self - positive reviews is not uncommon in the online world , it is a problem , I have heard , on Amazon and people are even paid to leave a positive review . Why would anyone pay someone to leave a review for a completely FREE curriculum though ? It ' s free . There is no money being made . That just does n ' t even make sense to me . Yes , people pay for Amazon reviews . They ' re making money off the sales of some item being reviewed . I looked briefly at Easy Peasy when I first heard about it a month or so ago . It looked fine to me . I just would n ' t use it for my kids because it ' s too much screen time for them . I have one child who gets behavior problems if he has a lot of screen time , even if it ' s educational . Hive Mind Level 5 Worker : Forager Bee Registered 903 posts I am honestly sorry I offended you , I do not know the person who made the program . Again , though I did not insinuate this was so but merely put the question out there . Questions like that cause a shadow of doubt to surround a person . This thread was started just before midnight and you posted the question a short time later . It did n ' t give people much time to give input . I think it is best to give a person the benefit of the doubt . I ' m sorry for upsetting you though . I just love the curriculum and felt sad to see it questioned as possibly being fraudulent . I did n ' t mean for the thread to get out of hand . I just wondered if anyone used this curriculum and if they felt it was complete . I had never heard of it before now but wanted some feedback . I have friend who would benefit from a free , laid out curriculum but wanted to hear some reviews before I mentioned it to anyone . I asked purely out of curiosity . I ' m still checking over the website but there is so much there that it is overwhelming . So , does anyone else have experience with this curriculum ? mytwomonkeys 1,882 mytwomonkeys 1,882 Amateur Bee Keeper 4,294 posts i think it looks pretty good personally ( although we do n ' t use it ) , and i love that it ' s free . if you do n ' t like it or find it confusing , just do n ' t use it . i think it is fabulous that the mother even chooses to share it - but it wo n ' t meet everyone ' s needs . AngelBee 107 AngelBee 107 Amateur Bee Keeper 4,855 posts February 21 , 2013 We will be using it for chemistry . I am grateful I found it . Money is incredibly tight right now and I just do n ' t have the resources to get extra stuff . A mama from Hive suggested Easy Peasy and that is what we are using . : ) I have used MANY different things over the last decade . Not one has been 100 % what I want . That is the nature of homeschooling . I have become a genious at making it work for us . : ) Each family is different . . . . .use what seems a good fit and suppliment or dump the rest . stripe 4,168 stripe 4,168 J ' ai besoin de tout mon courage 13,876 posts February 21 , 2013 I agree with you . This is a common practice . After I had a weird interaction with this man who developed a math app ( it was n ' t correct for some of the times tables , and he initially did n ' t understand and so put no priority on fixing it , making the app not too useful given that the missi numbers were why I bought the program ! ) he signed me up for all sorts of mailing lists ( wives of p * rn addicts , online gambling , weight loss , coupons Trish 2,066 Trish 2,066 Hive Mind Queen Bee 3,466 posts I took a peek at it . Huh ! Where ' d she find the time to do all that ? This looks like a fascinating option for someone who is pressed for time or is having a family emergency and does n ' t have pre - researched curriculum ready . Never saw anything quite like this . Hive Mind Larvae 182 posts May 13 , 2013 I took a peek at it . Huh ! Where ' d she find the time to do all that ? This looks like a fascinating option for someone who is pressed for time or is having a family emergency and does n ' t have pre - researched curriculum ready . Never saw anything quite like this . Honestly I am a curriculum hoarder . I have TRIED so many different things and mostly paid for curriculum . This curriculum is NOT only FREE but is QUALITY and far better than some of the paid curriculum . Do NOT let the word FREE scare you away from it . If you look at the older grades you will be SO impressed . As with any curriculum some do choose to supplement however if you do choose to use as STAND alone it is COMPLETE . Lee founder of Easy Peasy follows the Pennsylvania standards for those of you Luvingmy4boys 8 Luvingmy4boys 8 Hive Mind Worker Bee 75 posts May 14 , 2013 I am currently using it for my active 4 yr old . He already knew his letters , letter sounds , colors , shapes , and recognizes numbers . It has been hard finding something fun for him that was age appropriate but engaging . I had Easy Peasy bookmarked for quite awhile and after seeing it show up over and over again on various forums , I decided to give it a try . Well , I have found what works for him . He is doing Getting Ready 1 and we are on Day 178 doing the McGuffy I love that I can customize their learning levels which is what I needed for the 4 yr old . Most pre - K curric was too boring or below his level and this works great . You can move them up or down a level in the various subjects without the need to buy a new curriculum that may not work for every subject . I will be using it for reading and music for my older boys . I use CLE for Language Arts and Math . I ' ll be starting MFW Adventures for the other subjects Hunter 30,798 Hunter 30,798 hunter of input 17,163 posts May 14 , 2013 I looked at the program last night . I like the basic structure of the overall plan , and the author ' s educational philosophy . It appears to me that it is not the authors plan to be ultra - rigorous , but to be doable for normal children in the amount of time on task that PS children spend on task , but still be a college prep curriculum . It ' ll be interesting to see if one woman can finish this and keep all the links up to date . It ' s a huge undertaking . I looked at the program last night . I like the basic structure of the overall plan , and the author ' s educational philosophy . It appears to me that it is not the authors plan to be ultra - rigorous , but to be doable for normal children in the amount of time on task that PS children spend on task , but still be a college prep curriculum . It ' ll be interesting to see if one woman can finish this and keep all the links up to date . It ' s a huge undertaking . I have used rigorous curriculum as well as many well know ones used by many on this board . The reading in my opinion is advanced ( check the reading of Jolly Robin at the beginning of year 1 ) My 9 year old is just finishing easy peasy 4 and going on to level 5 and level 6 spanish . He is considered gifted and ahead in most subjects . As with any curriculum some of us choose to supplement certain things . As of now there are many of us who are volunteering to help with support groups hunter of input 17,163 posts May 15 , 2013 I have used rigorous curriculum as well as many well know ones used by many on this board . The reading in my opinion is advanced ( check the reading of Jolly Robin at the beginning of year 1 ) My 9 year old is just finishing easy peasy 4 and going on to level 5 and level 6 spanish . He is considered gifted and ahead in most subjects . As with any curriculum some of us choose to supplement certain things . As of now there are many of us who are volunteering to help with support groups You are right about the reading . I found the decision to advance the reading , very interesting and something I appreciated for many homeschool families . I really am impressed with the overall plan ; and as a person who is OCD that is quite the complement from me . : lol : I ' m am very glad to hear the author is receiving support for her project . It is well worth supporting . I will be staying tuned . unfrumpable . 3,941 unfrumpable . 3,941 Same Love 844 posts Houston , TX May 15 , 2013 I do not use this curriculum , too much screen time for my liking , but I do follow them on FB . Many people comment on their FB page about what a blessing the curriculum has been . I do have a hs friend who uses this curriculum . She has high praise for it because it is the first curriculum she has used that her son enjoys and wants to do . AFAIK from following them on FB , she was able to put this curriculum together simply because it is what she ' s been using with her own kids . I think it started out as her kind of keeping track of everything and bloomed from there . Do n ' t quote me though , this is just my fuzzy memory from what I have read in the past . : ) ammv15 33 ammv15 33 Hive Mind Level 4 Worker : Builder Bee 225 posts May 16 , 2013 I felt the same way you did the first few times I looked at EP . It just seemed like as supplement or fun computer time for the kids . It seemed to simple to be a stand alone curriculum . It took me awhile to be sold on the curriculum . At one point my dc were just bored to tears with hs and so I decided to take a break from our formal curriculum and give EP a try . My dc loved it and actuallly learned . Eventually we did get back to our curriculum and we dmmm 99 dmmm 99 137 posts May 16 , 2013 I took a peek , and no matter what , you have to be impressed with the time it must have taken to piece it all together . I might look more at the PE stuff just because I have nothing planned . Thanks for the replies . I was just looking for someone who has used the program who could provide a review . I ' m not looking to stir things up . I ' m just wanting to hear how it works and what a day is like using it . EducatedbyLife 2 EducatedbyLife 2 17 posts Mom2TheTeam 505 Mom2TheTeam 505 876 posts May 17 , 2013 I ' ve looked at it a few times . I would n ' t do the entire program simply because of the screen time required and my children are n ' t as into the computer anyway . However , I am strongly leaning toward using her computer and PE programs . I am impressed with what she has put together . . . .I just do n ' t like the screen time , personally . May 17 , 2013 Hi Susan , do you have links to the support groups please , are they like a yahoo group ? CJ Here is the main support group page https : / / www . facebook . com / groups / Easy . Peasy . All . in . One . Homeschool / and here are the individual pages for each level https : / / www . facebook . com / groups / Easy . Peasy . All . in . One . Homeschool / doc / 371804459606558 / Susan Khan 17 posts kiwik 4,278 kiwik 4,278 6,075 posts I must have a look , and open a facebook account . Speaking of screen Tim I just accidentally bought the complete magic school us ( I usually go right the way through to get a shipping quote but this time I was logged in and it did a kind of one click thing through my kindle account ) . My son was so excited I decided just to let it go ahead and use some money I hope to get next week to cover it . I am hopeless but it is usually books i buy - i could Mommee & Baba 154 Mommee & Baba 154 2,272 posts Tennessee May 18 , 2013 We ' ve decided to use EP for " our summer school " . My kids enjoy it immensely ! My 4yr old , 8yr old , & my almost 10yr old all ENJOY it ! Their school is complete by lunch time and they get the rest of the day to be KIDS ! I ' ve printed all the days for each of my children . We ' ve missed a lot of school days this year that our summer is schooling Mon - Thurs . Our new school year will begin around September . I ' m June 4 , 2013 We ' ve decided to use EP for " our summer school " . My kids enjoy it immensely ! My 4yr old , 8yr old , & my almost 10yr old all ENJOY it ! Their school is complete by lunch time and they get the rest of the day to be KIDS ! I ' ve printed all the days for each of my children . We ' ve missed a lot of school days this year that our summer is schooling Mon - Thurs . Our new school year will begin around September . I ' m How has it been going with EP : ) VeritasMama 1,418 VeritasMama 1,418 1,025 posts June 6 , 2013 I just read a blog post by the creator of Easy Peasy on freehomeschooldeals . com . She describes the program and her reasoning behind it . It seems that one reason she designed the program using free online resources is that they are a missionary family that travels frequently oversees , and so it is better for their lifestyle to have minimal books to carry . She also is hoping this program she has designed for her children will be a blessing to others who are struggling and need a free and easy option to get through rough patch . She sounds like a great person . http : / / www . freehomeschooldeals . com / free - homeschool - curriculum / Samiam 729 Samiam 729 3,125 posts June 6 , 2013 I had the exact thoughts as OP . I ' ve been hearing Easy Peasy all over the HSing forums lately . Every single time a HS newbie asks about curriculum , someone chimes in with EP . I do n ' t get it . I looked at it a few times , had to with all the hoopla it ' s been getting . The site is just . . . . . .too much , for me . Not too much in terms of what the child does , but too much to figure out . . mrs . m 292 mrs . m 292 2,436 posts I ' m trying it out for reading this summer . The boys are reading other books in addition to EP , but I wanted something a little more formalized for comprehension checks . The English does n ' t feel like a full enough course to stand on its own , but I only need it for reading anyway . I really like that it starts with poetry . I never get to it otherwise . WishboneDawn 3,816 WishboneDawn 3,816 Lumpy Space Princess 7,709 posts Nova Scotia , Canada Double post . Lumpy Space Princess 7,709 posts Nova Scotia , Canada 2,436 posts lamppost 389 lamppost 389 296 posts July 9 , 2013 I ' m getting a runtime error when trying to access these lessons today . I do n ' t know if it ' s me or the website ' s server . Here ' s a link - can somebody try it for me & see if you get the same error ? http : / / megaswf . com / Error . aspx ? aspxerrorpath = / fileServe . aspx clarkacademy 1,359 clarkacademy 1,359 Empress Bee 4,531 posts 2,272 posts Tennessee July 27 , 2013 How has it been going with EP : ) I ' m terribly sorry its been so long since I ' ve been on this forum . I ' m enjoying the summer schedule with my kids ! We also just found out we are expecting our last little one this coming April 2014 ! As for EP we are still using it and enjoying . We are using Xtramath . org right now for the kids to get their math facts down before we move into this coming school year and begin teaching the lessons she has them doing . I will also still be using Math Mammoth . We are n ' t doing any Science or History of hers this coming year . We are keeping what we already love ! We will be doing SOTW 3 and Elemental Science . We will be doing Home Art Studio for Art and not Overall it ' s a fit for us but I ' ve picked apart what we wo n ' t be using and what we will . We are still using TWTM Science & History suggestions . Hers is nicely laid out too , but we are already fans of what we ' ve used in the past . With baby coming in April of next year I am hoping using EP and some hodge podge of things between this will make schooling during hard times much easier ! What I found with what we were using before was so I ' m sorry if I rambled . I could easily use ALL that she uses and NOTHING else and be perfectly fine . I ' m choosing not to at this time though . August 1 , 2013 Even though this was just updated , I ' ve already changed my plan ONCE again ! ! ! I ' m so faithful to TWTM approach that I ca n ' t steer fully from it . . . .just yet ! We will be using EP for my ds who will be in preschool , however ! My dd8 who will be in 3rd grade we will use EP on Friday ' s for some math game review and some of the other review games the site offers . I ' ve decided this just recently because my I like her entire layout and if I was n ' t so faithful to TWTM and it ' s approach and know that it works I must steer away . Even though EP is thorough ! We will still use EP and I will use it as review and some back up incase we fall off schedule , but it wo n ' t be the focus of our school year after all . We plan on using . Math : Math Mammoth & the math review games from EP on Friday ' s . English : Rod & Staff English ( We were doing FLL but the lessons were taking almost an hour to do ! My kids were dreading it ! ! ) Grammar : Easy Grammar ( Completed twice a week ) Science : Elemental Science Chemistry ( 2d / week ) History : Story of the World ( Finish 2 and begin on 3 ) ( 2d / week ) Foreign Language : Spanish Art : Home Art Studio ( Friday ' s only ) Reading : Focus on reading library books daily Writing : Writing with Ease ( Was going to drop this and realized this is the only writing my kids enjoy because of the stories ! ) Spelling : Will use Rod & Staff Spelling and use Spelling City as review on Friday ' s . ( I ' m not doing AAS because of the teacher intensity required , having 3 elementary level kids and pregnant makes this at the moment unrealistic ) Geography : Workbook I have workbooks for Science and History that I plan on keeping for the times we have a flop week and I just ca n ' t pick myself off the derailed track ! Going to be prepared for that this year . Although our school year curriculum is a hodge podge , I ' m ok with that ! Tanikit 655 Tanikit 655 Hive Mind Level 6 Worker : Scout Bee 1,528 posts May 17 , 2014 We have been using Getting Ready 1 with my 3 year old and it has been very good for her - she liked the activities and has recently started McGuffey Primer - they start with sight word reading and my 3 year old already has a number of sight words so I am using the book for early phonics training instead and do NOT teach the words the way they are stated in the curriculum . I also print the book in bigger print which can get expensive and does take time , but this is what works for my I did try the grade 2 curriculum with DD6 as a supplement and she learnt a lot and some of the activities were very challenging for her ( doing crosswords on the various biomes for example ) . The Math I feel is behind in the early grades - grade 2 Math was way too easy for my DD who is in grade 1 now . I do n ' t know what happens in the higher grades . I no longer use this curriculum with my elder child though will look up various sections ( so use SOTW2 and I think it is a good curriculum , but like with any curriculum I could not use it as it is written . Actually I supplement everything I use and have no main currciulum for anything . June 10 , 2014 Has anyone else had any experience with easy peasy in the past year ? 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By mackenziefoust March 1 , 2014 in K - 8 Curriculum Board independent all - in - one open and go box curriculum online Recommended Posts mackenziefoust 10 10 Hive Mind Queen Bee Members 783 posts Report post Posted March 1 , 2014 Hi all , I home schooled my 3 from the beginning but had to put them into public school 2 years ago because I had to go back to work full time ( 8 - 5 type job ) . The first year they were in K and 2nd and it was n ' t too bad , or maybe I was too busy to notice how bad it really was . Long story short , Common Core is not working and it is destroying my precious ones ( maybe a little dramatic , but Common Core is not the discussion here ) I am pregnant with number 4 due in July , for financial reasons and my sanity my husband is going to stay home with the baby in lieu of daycare . I am pulling my older 2 ( 3rd is still in preschool ) either to go to one of the 3 local charter schools that do n ' t use Common Core , or they will be homeschooled . We are on waiting lists for the charter schools and our odds are not good , so I am planning for HSing next year . What I need . . . I need something the older 2 ( going into 2nd and 4th ) can do independently during the day while I am at work . Something that they can get some benefit from that will be easy for them to do with minimal input and support from their dad . He will be there to trouble shoot and help them get set up but it really needs to be something they can do by themselves . Our background is using TWTM resources , SOTW history , FLL , WWE , Sonlight , and Math Time 4 Learning . . . We have done Time 4 Learning before and it was ok . I know it is not comprehensive and not enough for a complete program , but it does track their progress somewhat and it is easy for them to navigate through . Cons : it ' s not Christian based , so the science will be more like public school , and the history will not go along with what we are doing with Story of the World and Sonlight in the evenings / weekends . Also I think it has Social Studies Easy Peasy . . . it looks fairly easy to navigate , though I know sometimes the links do n ' t work and you need to get on the FB group to let the admins know etc . It ' s more comprehensive than T4L but you need to print out more things and you need to track progress on paper . NC is very easy reporting wise so I ' m not super worried about this , I just will have to stay on top of it . Something else . . . SOS will not work on our Macs and I do n ' t really like it anyway . I need something web based . Ideas ? Piecing together a whole slew of websites will likely be too hard for my littles to navigate independently . Questions I ' m not asking . . . not asking for opinions on if this situation will work , the decision is made and now we just have to figure out how to make it work . I am spending at least 2 - 3 hours each night after work with my kids reteaching them in a way they can understand in order to help them answer the question in the way Common Core wants them answered , so " not having enough time to do it all " is not a factor . Yes I know it will All this said I really do respect what you ladies ( and few gentlemen ) think . I just do n ' t want to waste anyone ' s time bringing up issues that are not relevant or up for discussion . Thanks in advance for your input . Tanikit 655 Tanikit 655 Hive Mind Level 6 Worker : Scout Bee Members 1,528 posts Report post Posted I do n ' t know much about the other programs , but do use Easy Peasy as a supplement for my child - the reading level required in Grade 2 is quite high and there are sections in the Grade 2 / Year 2 curriculum where it says the parent should read ( I think it is optional however ) so I would check that both your children can keep up with the reading level if you choose this - check the entire language arts section . I usually open all links I am going to use with them If your husband is there with the baby however , is it not possible for him to supervise and even do some of the teaching - he will be as busy as you would be if you were home with the baby - or does he have additional duties ? If you used a computer program that was relatively easy to navigate he should be able to be there for them if they have difficulties . What are your main aims for homeschooling them and what is it that they were struggling with when it came to Common Core - it might be easier to give other recommendations . It sounds like you have thought this through a lot and know the pros and cons and what can work and what might cause problems - I would imagine that it will take some time to settle into whatever you choose and for your children and husband to get used to the new routine and then it should go ok - but give it some time and Hive Mind Queen Bee 783 posts Thanks you so much for your response . My husband has not stayed home full - time before so I wanted to put the least amount of pressure on him as possible , but you are right he should be able to help them some . My 4th grader should also be able to help too . Great tip about checking the links the night before I will be sure to do that . The main reason for homeschooling is because of the substandard education our local public school is providing through Common Core . My main issue is the lack of teaching skills or lessons , at all really . My daughter is giving a 10 problem worksheet each week for math with problems that are like those on the end of grade test . There is no theme or link to any of them except that they are all math . The teacher goes over " testing strategies " or 15 different ways to get an answer for each of them and Additionally they have each picked up some bad habits behaviorally that I ca n ' t completely blame on PS , but it did n ' t help . Overall , I am not a fan . Thanks again ! Mackenzie mytwomonkeys 1,882 mytwomonkeys 1,882 Amateur Bee Keeper 4,294 posts March 2 , 2014 Well . My son is using time4learning at an accelerated pace , alongside time4writing . He is in 4th grade . I ' m surprised to tell you that we totally love it . I ordered it as a last resort because schoolwork was just not going smooth for whatever reason ( read : drudging along ) . I ' m not sure that we will use it for 5th grade , but we will definitely continue with this combo throughout the rest of our school year . I feel with the pace we use T4L it is fairly comprehensive ( well , aside from writing - so we add in T4W ) . We do the extra projects and print off the worksheets , and he completes the assignments in writing odyssee too . It even has art , which is pretty cool . We only add in reading , foreign language , bible , recorder , and outside sports . For a smaller one I would add in penmanship as well . They do have spelling lists per grade that you can incorporate too . Anyway . It ' s working for now , so I ' m sticking with it : ) I ca n ' t tell you about other grades though , only 4th . March 2 , 2014 Thanks so much for your feedback ! ! ! MomintheMountains 146 MomintheMountains 146 Hive Mind Level 2 Worker : Nurse Bee 111 posts Location Rocky Mountains I work , though I work a lot at home and have flexibility because my husband and I own the business . T4L is my backup during times we are really busy . I think if you supplement it with lots of good literature , it will get the job done for you ( and handwriting for any littles ) . Make sure you or your DH check the parent reports so you know if there are areas you need to review . Also , when I am working and my kids are doing T4L , I work within earshot I do n ' t know what your DH ' s talents are , but my DH and I are talking about changing things up and having him do math and hands on projects with the kids on the two days I am out of the house . We are talking about doing a garden , building a greenhouse and building a shed this spring and summer . We are going to get more involved with 4H and have DH take that kind of stuff on with our boys . It is hard , but homeschooling is worth it . You will probably go through a lot of trial and error , but you are committed to this , so you will figure it out ! Bree 136 Bree 136 Hive Mind Worker Bee 429 posts Location Middle TN I used T4L this year for a while with my 1st grader because of this pregnancy . I needed her to do something and it worked while we used it . I would of used it for my 3rd grader too but he was able to do Sonlight independently . You might look into teaching textbooks also . March 3 , 2014 Thank you ! Desert Strawberry 5,721 Desert Strawberry 5,721 Hive Mind Level 5 Worker : Forager Bee 4,095 posts Arizona March 3 , 2014 If your second grader needs to work on basic skills , Funnix may be a good choice . It ' s phonics and basic math , on a CD Rom ( we use the download ) . It is completely independent for my second grader . It ' s working well for us , and he loves it . If your second grader needs to work on basic skills , Funnix may be a good choice . It ' s phonics and basic math , on a CD Rom ( we use the download ) . It is completely independent for my second grader . It ' s working well for us , and he loves it . That ' s a great idea . I downloaded their free lessons for phonics and math on long dead computer . Glad you reminded me of Funnix ! ElizabethB 4,317 ElizabethB 4,317 Apprentice Bee Keeper 10,717 posts What if you did a flipped schedule where you taught them the basics at night and they did their work the next day ? You would check the prior days work then teach the next lesson . You could also find and assign Kahn lessons and other videos for math areas they did not understand to watch the next day . SOTW audio , my phonics lessons , for math a short term option would be to have them do the ADAM k - 7 test then do the linked Kahn videos where they need work . I also like Read Write Type better than any other online phonics program , all the others induce guessing to some extent because of their format . http : / / www . letsgolearn . com / lglsite / ADAM_math / parents / http : / / www . talkingfingers . com / My husband has taught for me a few days in the past when I went on a trip , he did pretty well . I would figure out what subjects your husband could teach easiest and have him do those . He could try one subject for a whole week , trying out a different subject each week . You need to do at least a few days of something to get a good feel for it . For example , week 1 he teaches math , week two phonics / grammar , etc . March 5 , 2014 Thanks so much ! So many great ideas ! Go To Topic Listing All Activity Home Education K - 8 Curriculum Board Easy Peasy All - In - One or Time 4 Learning or something else ? | [
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http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1636314 | Forums Archive Home Garden Bamboo for garden Archive View Return to standard view last updated – posted 2014 - Jan - 21 , 6 : 25 am AEST User # 134930 459 posts Brasil91 Forum Regular reference : whrl . pl / RcDLkc posted 2011 - Feb - 8 , 11 : 00 am AEST O.P . Hi there , can anyone recommend a species of bamboo that I can plant in the garden to screen off a wall and a shed ? Something that grows really , really quickly and is n ' t incredibly expensive would be ideal : I need a lot of it . User # 45253 2656 posts Fun Police Whirlpool Forums Addict reference : whrl . pl / RcDLqe posted 2011 - Feb - 8 , 11 : 25 am AEST Slender Weavers – " gracilis " sub species . Clumping bamboo – does not run ! ! We planted four of these about 1m apart 18 months ago . All around 1m in height . They are now 6m high and have closed up all the gaps . A 200mm pot cost us $ 65 . Talk about value for money though . Just feed it lots of water and lawn food . User # 157150 1493 posts hugojay Whirlpool Enthusiast whrl . pl / RcDLtw posted 2011 - Feb - 8 , 11 : 33 am AEST Fun Police writes . . . Clumping bamboo – does not run ! ! This is good advise . I spent extra money on the clumping bamboo and after 7 years it ' s still in the same spot and only grew to around 2m x 2m which was perfect for the location . User # 134930 459 posts Brasil91 Forum Regular whrl . pl / RcDLtz posted 2011 - Feb - 8 , 11 : 34 am AEST O.P . This is probably a stupid question but how wide does it grow ? I.e. what width could I cover with a 200mm pot ? I ' ve got maybe 10 or 15 metres of wall , shed , neighbours , etc to screen . I ' m happy if it does n ' t cover it absolutely completely all that quickly ; I ' d prefer a thin screen over the entire area to clumps of thick cover over parts ( if that makes sense ) . User # 20727 2137 posts one Whirlpool Forums Addict whrl . pl / RcDLQY posted 2011 - Feb - 8 , 12 : 56 pm AEST Fun Police writes . . . Slender Weavers – " gracilis " sub species . Clumping bamboo – does not run ! ! We planted four of these about 1m apart 18 months ago . All around 1m in height . + 1 . We did exactly the same thing with Slender Weaver 18 months ago to shield out a neighbour . This summer the privacy finally was there . It eventually will grow high enough to shield out a second story window . Brasil91 writes . . . This is probably a stupid question but how wide does it grow ? I.e. what width could I cover with a 200mm pot ? I ' ve got maybe 10 or 15 metres of wall , shed , neighbours , etc to screen . I ' m happy if it does n ' t cover it absolutely completely all that quickly ; I ' d prefer a thin screen over the entire area to clumps of thick cover over parts ( if that makes sense ) . You ' re going to plant it in the ground , right ? Initially buying a 200mm pot wo n ' t really shield out anything : it will be too small . You can buy bigger , but they cost much more . There are websites around with prices : mrbamboo . com . au comes to mind . Also tells you how big they grow , their diameter , etc . whrl . pl / RcDLVx posted 2011 - Feb - 8 , 1 : 05 pm AEST one writes . . . You ' re going to plant it in the ground , right ? Initially buying a 200mm pot wo n ' t really shield out anything : it will be too small . You can buy bigger , but they cost much more . There are websites around with prices : mrbamboo . com . au comes to mind . Also tells you how big they grow , their diameter , etc . I have a 2story place behind that looks into my yard , I ' d like to screen them out eventually but in the short term I ' d like just to break up the outline of my ugly fence . I have a massive townhouse with a two story wall at the side , ditto there – mostly I ' d just like to break up the expanse of concrete with some greenery , which will hopefully eventually fill out and cover the whole wall . When I buy one of these pots can I break the clump up ? Or do I have to plant it all in the one spot ? If I can get two or three little clumps out of my $ 60 odd bucks that ' s not too bad . But if it ' s effectively going to cost me $ 60 a metre to screen this way then that might be excessive for what I want . Thanks for that website , I ' ll sus it out . User # 368970 7 posts logistician Participant whrl . pl / RcDZ11 posted 2011 - Feb - 11 , 10 : 58 am AEST Try bambooland . com . au I have put in 20 Bambusa Textilis var . ' Gracilis ' in Melbourne . They are all growing well . I did put in root barriers on either side of the plants as they are hard up against the fence . It was more to direct the growth sideways only . whrl . pl / RcEc2F posted 2011 - Feb - 14 , 9 : 12 pm AEST Thank you loggy – can I ask over what area did you put in the 20 ? User # 368970 7 posts logistician Participant whrl . pl / RcEoOz posted 2011 - Feb - 17 , 3 : 09 pm AEST They were put against the side fence in the backyard with a mix of part shade and full sun . User # 35686 7141 posts pfitz whrl . pl / RcEoTl posted 2011 - Feb - 17 , 3 : 24 pm AEST Be VERY careful . We just went through a dispute with a neighbour over about 12 months . She planted bamboo on the boundary ( like on 2cm from fence line ) for privacy , and whatever species it was the height it grew to was extraordinary . It was above the roof of our two story house by a good 3 metres ( I guess the plant reached 12 meters or more ) . Massive . It it happened fast . So basically the very fibrous leaf litter from this untrimmed monstrosity was getting into our gutters and all over our yard . She had rented the place out and the tenants were messy a $ $ holes anyway so the leaf litter did n ' t worry them . We only have 1 pipe which takes all of the rainwater and the bamboo was right above it , so of course our worst nightmare was it clogging a 30 meters long drain and the prospect of a few thousand dollars to repair it . After many shouting matches she has finally cut it down , but of course she has left a little one further along the fence as an ' f u ' to us I suppose . It ' s already 10 feet tall . For the love of god check with your neighbour and if you plant it , maintain it with regular trimmings do n ' t let it grow unchecked like our flipping moronic neighbour . User # 121747 6666 posts Dirty Sandman whrl . pl / RcEoTo posted 2011 - Feb - 17 , 3 : 24 pm AEST Dont these get out of hand eventually ? Been to a few houses were its just taken over . whrl . pl / RcEpLN posted 2011 - Feb - 17 , 6 : 34 pm AEST pfitz writes . . . For the love of god check with your neighbour and if you plant it , maintain it with regular trimmings do n ' t let it grow unchecked like our flipping moronic neighbour . I ' m gonna plant it on a lane and against a 2 or 3 story concrete wall , it should n ' t overhang anyone ' s property . But it ' s a good cautionary tale ! whrl . pl / RcEpL2 posted 2011 - Feb - 17 , 6 : 35 pm AEST logistician writes . . . They were put against the side fence in the backyard with a mix of part shade and full sun . Sorry I meant how far apart did you plant them ? User # 107212 139 posts usmob whrl . pl / RcEqG7 posted 2011 - Feb - 17 , 10 : 03 pm AEST Never plant any type of bamboo would be my professional advice . Even when subjected to the most toxic herbicides dosed in the correct manner this weed species ( and I mean that in the true sense of the word ) is very difficult to control . It is the cause of many a neighbourhood dispute , that can end up very costly for all concerned . Root identification is often used in court as evidence as to the source of the infestation and if it can be proved that the plant orginated on your property you can be liable for the damage . The root system has the ability to travel distances to invade pipes , septics , under concrete slabs etc . Once colonised , the plant quickly takes over an area and out competes other species . Once established the in an area it will spread . Last week I was called a house that had been invaded from 2 doors away . The bamboo had been a potted gift originally , thought to be dead after a stint inside it was put in a compost bin near the side fence . 11 months later 3 neighbours are in dispute and facing costly repairs . Hopefully chemical control will take effect soon . With so many beautiful native plants to choose from why choose a weed ! ! ! P.S Rats , mice and cockroaches love the environment created by the thick stems and leaf litter . whrl . pl / RcEtWZ posted 2011 - Feb - 18 , 1 : 25 pm AEST They are planted 1 meter apart . As they have a clumping diameter of 1 metere , they will eventually grow into each other and form a dense wall . I have used a root barrier to contain the growth to a narrow channel . Do not use under any circumstance a running bamboo variety . As above , they can be a pain . But clumping varietys will never exceed their clump diameter and are a fast growing and easy to maintain screen . User # 35686 7141 posts pfitz whrl . pl / RcEvwG posted 2011 - Feb - 18 , 3 : 21 pm AEST usmob writes . . . P.S Rats , mice and cockroaches love the environment created by the thick stems and leaf litter . When the neighbour finally caved and cut down the 12 meter high bamboo , the next night we had a massive rat come into the house , probably nesting in it or the leaf litter under their house and the movement scared it out . Messy plant . . It is the cause of many a neighbourhood dispute , that can end up very costly for all concerned . We were going to sue our neighbour . I was at the end of our rope , she was obviously in the wrong , but she is a stuborn old German woman . I believe in NSW bamboo has it ' s own section in the neighbourhood disputes guidelines . It has a bad reputation because it causes many many neighbourhood disputes every year . But if you are 100 % certain it wo n ' t affect neighbours , go for it . whrl . pl / RcEAb2 posted 2011 - Feb - 19 , 9 : 15 pm AEST usmob writes . . . With so many beautiful native plants to choose from why choose a weed ! ! ! Happy to plant any native that grows as fast , screens as well , and looks as good , if you can suggest one . I ' m just tired of every move in my backyard being observed by my neighbours at the rear . whrl . pl / RcEHLl posted 2011 - Feb - 21 , 9 : 36 pm AEST Depends on how patient you are . The screen I planted will completely block the neighbours second floor looking into my first floor in 3 years after planting . Pitostrums or Neighbours Be Gone might be the only way to go but it will probably take 5 – 10 years . User # 41248 668 posts david Whirlpool Enthusiast whrl . pl / RcEIDb posted 2011 - Feb - 22 , 7 : 38 am AEST Never plant any type of bamboo would be my professional advice . Even when subjected to the most toxic herbicides dosed in the correct manner this weed species ( and I mean that in the true sense of the word ) is very difficult to control . + 1 User # 202250 15235 posts snowant whrl . pl / RcEI4t posted 2011 - Feb - 22 , 9 : 57 am AEST Not all bamboos are the running invasive types . But to be sure , do the research to ensure you get a benign clumping type . Even in Canberra , we had a monster type that grew up to attack the power lines ! Marvellous stuff , it was enclosed in a concrete surround , but over the years it managed to break through . We controlled it with cutting the shoots as they emerged , and when it was finally done - away with there was cutting and treating with the correct poison . It ' s gone now User # 82761 1038 posts AF35 whrl . pl / RcEJbX posted 2011 - Feb - 22 , 10 : 27 am AEST my bamboo has now become the major weed in my garden ! if i do n ' t cut them regularly every 2nd week or so it ' ll grow so much that blocks one of my pathways . and the root system is scary . it ' s growing all directions . might want to think twice if you really want to handle bamboo in your garden User # 118463 191 posts sharian whrl . pl / RcEJyG posted 2011 - Feb - 22 , 11 : 49 am AEST pfitz writes . . . basically the very fibrous leaf litter from this untrimmed monstrosity was getting into our gutters and all over our yard . I too planted bamboo ( clumping ) as a fast growing screen . It certainly grew fast and was a great screen but the mess from leaf litter was atrocious . The wind use to blow the leaf litter everywhere gutters were clogging up with it and patio was always cover in it . No matter how much you cleaned it up it shed leaf matter faster . whrl . pl / RcEMn3 posted 2011 - Feb - 22 , 9 : 54 pm AEST AF35 writes . . . and the root system is scary . it ' s growing all directions . Sounds like you have the bad type of bamboo , running every underground . Get it out asap , Chop it all down , wait for new growth then cover the root stubs ( when you chopped it off at ground level ) with a liberal dose of round up . whrl . pl / RcEPXL posted 2011 - Feb - 23 , 5 : 40 pm AEST logistician writes . . . Depends on how patient you are . The screen I planted will completely block the neighbours second floor looking into my first floor in 3 years after planting . Pitostrums or Neighbours Be Gone might be the only way to go but it will probably take 5 – 10 years . Thanks for that – I do n ' t think I can wait that long , it ' s driving me batty now ! whrl . pl / RcEVO3 posted 2011 - Feb - 24 , 3 : 19 pm AEST Look at the information available on the net for bamboo in Australia and chose accordingly . Minature bamboo that will only grow to 3 meters tall to giants over 30 meters tall . You need to think about once these plants are fully mature and how it will affect everything around you and not just the privacy aspect . Again only plant clumping bamboo to avoid all the problems described above . The leaf litter will drop some onto my roof but not my neighbours . Most of it will be on the lawns that will just get mulched in when I mow . But I will be putting up some very fine mesh gutter guards . Make sure you chose a proper root barrier as well , and not just a roll of plastic . Just make sure before you plant , you have planned out everything to avoid any future frustrations . whrl . pl / RcFPm9 posted 2011 - Mar - 9 , 4 : 21 pm AEST Thanks for the advice , I " ll take it on board ! User # 569675 3 posts cre8stuff I ' m new here , please be nice whrl . pl / RdDKpO posted 2013 - Jul - 5 , 9 : 32 am AEST edited 2013 - Jul - 8 , 6 : 07 pm AEST Gracililis will grow it fastest in full sun . If planting in a heavy shaded situation use large plants . Put 90 % of your effort into preparing the mediam you are planting into . Bamboo Gracilis will grow in most soil types . Or plant into a well prepared bed of well drained rich organic mix . A bed 50cm wide x 40cm deep with adeqit irrigation is a standed size used to grow a gracilis privacy screen . Plant your bamboos at 1 to 1.5 meter spacings to form a gracfull erect screen . Water them in well and mulch if you need some more specific information you can contact bruce at bamboo information he gave me some great advice . User # 112464 126 posts metilly whrl . pl / RdIAkl posted 2013 - Sep - 19 , 6 : 45 am AEST edited 2013 - Sep - 19 , 7 : 21 am AEST Pitostrums or Neighbours Be Gone Can someone tell me , do Pitostrums and / or Potostrums exist or perhaps people are referring to Pittosporums ? Someone nearish us says they are selling Potostrums and googling has n ' t helped me work out what they are . Edit : By the way , they say it ' s red if that helps any , or maybe they ' re saying a Red Potostrum , as in Red is the variety ? User # 331154 13643 posts Farnarkling whrl . pl / RdIA6Y posted 2013 - Sep - 19 , 10 : 43 am AEST metilly writes . . . Pittosporums is correct . New foliage is shiny and reddish , changes to dark green in summer . User # 112464 126 posts metilly whrl . pl / RdICfY posted 2013 - Sep - 19 , 2 : 56 pm AEST Ol ' Ironsides writes . . . Pittosporums is correct . Thank you . I see the incorrect ones and hear them all over the place but had n ' t been able to find any information on them , which made me guess it was one of those names people find it hard to wrap their heads around . User # 204269 29842 posts The S.Q . whrl . pl / RdICk6 posted 2013 - Sep - 19 , 3 : 15 pm AEST We have Pittosporums despite never planting any , the birds distribute them from the neighbours . Regularly pulling them up , they are growing to 2m in 1year , 3 - 4m in less than 2 . In this regard they are almost worse than bamboo , coming up all over the yard not just in the vicinity of the original . User # 27471 5996 posts duke whrl . pl / RdIPNl posted 2013 - Sep - 23 , 12 : 37 pm AEST edited 2013 - Sep - 23 , 12 : 46 pm AEST Anyone know of any Bamboo suppliers in Adelaide ? Preferably north of the CBD . None of the garden centres I have been to stock bamboo . User # 249388 889 posts mynameisjonas whrl . pl / RdJ9Ve posted 2013 - Oct - 15 , 5 : 45 pm AEST Looking to get some gracillis bamboo to screen out our neighbours apartment building . . . We ' ve been quoted about $ 220 for a 2 metre tree 350mm pot . . . Any ideas where we can get wholesale cheaper prices in Melbourne ? User # 569675 3 posts cre8stuff I ' m new here , please be nice whrl . pl / RdPNhA posted 2014 - Jan - 21 , 6 : 25 am AEST check prices plus delivery from Bamboo Plants at bamboomans in queensland . His plants are probally the cheapest and best bamboo plants have seen but it depends on the cost of freight . Sometimes its cheaper still to have them delivered than some prices . He has wholesale prices also . 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http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1907745 | Archive View Return to standard view last updated – posted 2014 - Jun - 30 , 10 : 53 pm AEST User # 9154 310 posts WWWobbly Forum Regular reference : whrl . pl / RdanOC posted 2012 - Apr - 28 , 8 : 54 am AEST O.P . I placed an order for a camera last Saturday . One week later and by all accounts , the item has n ' t left the building . Is this normal for Kogan ? If I had known that purchasing from this mob would be so uncertain , I would have just walked down the street , paid a bit extra and bought the camera from a shop . User # 4586 1090 posts FiЯthY Whirlpool Enthusiast reference : whrl . pl / RdanRv posted 2012 - Apr - 28 , 9 : 19 am AEST I bought an LCD tv a couple of weeks ago and it arrived within 48hrs , so I would say its not the norm . Would buy from them again in an instant . User # 9154 310 posts WWWobbly Forum Regular whrl . pl / RdanVA posted 2012 - Apr - 28 , 9 : 33 am AEST O.P . OK . Order placed last Saturday 21st of April . They processed the transaction by Tuesday but that ' s where it stopped . I have received no tracking info . User # 468549 8726 posts Awareness In the penalty box whrl . pl / RdanYF posted 2012 - Apr - 28 , 9 : 54 am AEST WWWobbly writes . . . I have received no tracking info . I do n ' t like when companies do that to me and I never deal with them again once that happens to me . But . . .what did they say was the reason when you called them ? User # 66644 18246 posts aliali Whirlpool Forums Addict whrl . pl / Rdan3K posted 2012 - Apr - 28 , 10 : 30 am AEST Did n ' t have something like " Expected dispatch date : 11th May 2012 " under it did it ? I have bought two items from Kogan so far and for me freight times where quite acceptable , especially considering the items had to come to Tassie ( 40 " TV and a BD player ) . Which camera was it and have you contacted sales @ kogan . com . au about your order ? Or during business hours tried the Live Chat available at the contact us page ? User # 417211 406 posts Daftdave whrl . pl / Rdan7a posted 2012 - Apr - 28 , 10 : 50 am AEST have you called them , they can answer your questions that we cant . whrl . pl / Rdaocj posted 2012 - Apr - 28 , 11 : 22 am AEST The " should " be dispatched notification was already received from them on Tuesday . That ' s where it all stopped ( taking into account ANZAC Day ) . Come Friday , no tracking information had been sent . That ' s when I started making enquiries . I sent three emails to both sales and support asking for an update . They did n ' t respond . I then sent an email notifying them that I was looking to reverse the transaction . That got their attention . But all they did was re - send me the two " processed " and " dispatch ready " emails that I had already received from them on Tuesday . But they were now making out as though all this should now happen Friday night , not Tuesday night as they had originally indicated . So there is a delay in shipping the order they can not bring themselves to tell me about . The tracking email I was supposed to get Tuesday night , which they then said yesterday would arrive last night . . . has not shown up . I have emailed them again this morning but they are completely silent . ( weekend ) User # 94988 32043 posts SirFlibble Whirlpool Forums Addict whrl . pl / Rdaoe3 posted 2012 - Apr - 28 , 11 : 39 am AEST Chances are it is coming from hk . Would take a while anyhow whrl . pl / Rdaonv posted 2012 - Apr - 28 , 12 : 30 pm AEST Whaaaa . stamp stamp . Ooh . The FedEx tracking advice has just arrived . They ' ve finally shipped it . User # 153484 1062 posts fat - man Whirlpool Enthusiast whrl . pl / Rdaozm posted 2012 - Apr - 28 , 1 : 27 pm AEST Kogan is mainly a dropshipper and it can take a little while for the item to be dispatched . ou should get the item wihtin 2 weeks User # 490835 3658 posts User # 490835 whrl . pl / RdaoAg posted 2012 - Apr - 28 , 1 : 31 pm AEST Yeah . It depends entirely on a ) what the item is and b ) where you are in relation to their stock . I ' ve ordered two of the " Deluxe " Internet radios – great units btw – in two discrete orders at about this time of day ( mid afternoon ) but on a weekday , and both arrived the next morning at 8 am . But , the units were in stock at the time and I guess Kogan have a warehouse in Melbourne . With the cameras , they ' re probably dropshipping as was said . One week to be sure , but , only four working days counting a public holiday , wait a tic longer : ) WWWobbly writes . . . Whaaaa . stamp stamp . Ooh . The FedEx tracking advice has just arrived . They ' ve finally shipped it . Smiley for you – so good to see someone on the net who can take the piss outta themselves : P User # 136353 23949 posts abc whrl . pl / RdaBgk posted 2012 - May - 1 , 9 : 10 am AEST Here ' s the sad truth about Kogan . It ' s cheap stuff . When companies make LCD panels for instance , they go through a QA process . The superior products end up with high - end manufacturers while the inferior batches end up with budget companies . Kogan source all their panels as budget panels , one of the reasons they can keep their prices low . Time and time again I ' ve seen Kogan LCDs and they ' re horrible . On the bright side : I quite like Kogan himself . He looks like a douche , but he ' s actually a really cool and switched on guy . User # 468549 8726 posts Awareness In the penalty box whrl . pl / RdaBMZ posted 2012 - May - 1 , 11 : 27 am AEST Yo ! writes . . . Time and time again I ' ve seen Kogan LCDs and they ' re horrible . Yep , you get what you pay for , so that ' s why I would never buy a Kogan , prefer to pay a bit extra for quality . User # 46456 3455 posts Rothguard whrl . pl / RdaC6z posted 2012 - May - 1 , 4 : 07 pm AEST so are you going to change the title of the thread these kind of crap threads are no longer funny we are n ' t talking about the quality of kogan products so stop it we are talking about the Op ' s blatant whinge that things were n ' t going as they expected / demanded but now the expectations have been met . close thread . User # 32665 8063 posts subyroo whrl . pl / RdaC9H posted 2012 - May - 1 , 4 : 19 pm AEST Yo ! writes . . . He looks like a douche , but he ' s actually a really cool and switched on guy . Oh he ' s switched on alright , you said it yourself . . . . . . . . . Kogan source all their panels as budget panels , one of the reasons they can keep their prices low . User # 164735 2270 posts miss wb whrl . pl / RdaEX2 posted 2012 - May - 1 , 11 : 28 pm AEST May be a bit late WWWobbly . . but tweeting them seems to work . The thing about Kogan is that if your order follows their automated process ie item is in stock , item gets sent , you receive item . . the process works quite well . It ' s when it derails from the usual process ( item is lost , not in stock , needs to be returned etc ) and you need to speak to a real person that everything breaks . What I found was that phone was useless . I spent a lot of time calling and being on hold ( the longest was an hour and 15 minutes on the phone before I was disconnected ) . Emails should be sent ( but will be ignored to start with ) . What I did was then post on their FB page / tweet them every few hours and then they looked up my emails and helped me with my order . My order got back on track reasonably quickly ( may be speaking too soon though . . I whrl . pl / RdaFHL posted 2012 - May - 2 , 9 : 56 am AEST miss wb writes . . . What I found was that phone was useless . I spent a lot of time calling and being on hold ( the longest was an hour and 15 minutes on the phone before I was disconnected ) . Emails should be sent ( but will be ignored to start with ) . How can they do this to people ? Not very good business sense imho . I do have a tracking number though which is progress : ) Cool : ) User # 55749 23902 posts sail whrl . pl / RdaFIZ posted 2012 - May - 2 , 10 : 00 am AEST miss wb writes . . . My order got back on track reasonably quickly ( may be speaking too soon though . . I ordered on the 30 / 3 and am yet to see my parcel ; p . I do have a tracking number though which is progress : ) Toll / Ipec picked up my TV order from Kogan ' s on a Wed afternoon and tracking said delivery next day . Come Thurs tracking said delivery Frid . Frid morning rang to confirm delivery that day to be told investigations officer would get back to me by 11am . Rang them back at 11.45am to be told investigations officer would ring me by 2pm . BTW Last deliveries for that day are finalized by 11am . At 2.45pm rang them and said I will hold until that person speaks to me . After 25 minutes that person finally spoke to me and apologized saying there had been a stuff up their end . She said they would try to organize a special delivery that night and would ring back within 20 minutes to confirm . Being doubtful after the day ' s lies she gave me a direct phone number to call if I did not hear from her . She did ring back and we worked out a convenient time that night for delivery . It was between 7.45 and 8 , 30pm . It turned up at 8.10pm ! Worried I would have had to wait until Mon I was relieved I had taken the time and effort to hound the transport company . Kogan had gotten it picked up on the day of ordering but the transport company had stuffed up . If you have a tracking number I suggest you tackle the transport company and be persistent and polite but do not get put off . User # 361237 986 posts nicrulz whrl . pl / RdaHey posted 2012 - May - 2 , 3 : 38 pm AEST In my experiene their ' grey import ' stuff like cameras and phones take a bit longer than their tv ' s and other AV stuff . I ordered two galaxy nexus ' from them and they both took arround a week ( 5 working days ish ) . Where as a PVR and a TV that I ordered only took 2 - 3 working days . The ' grey ' stuff is mostly sent from Hong Kong , for me it has always been shipped with DHL and arrives quickly after shipping , it just takes a few extra User # 185828 49 posts Harangue whrl . pl / Rda2dn posted 2012 - May - 7 , 4 : 32 pm AEST It ' s when it derails from the usual process ( item is lost , not in stock , needs to be returned etc ) and you need to speak to a real person that everything breaks . Yep , unfortunately it ' s true . I missed the delivery last Monday , found " not in attendance " note . Called Kogan and after 40 min on hold got told " we ' ll deliver tomorrow " . Since then – no delivery , no reply to my e - mail , no reply on their " live " chat , no reply on Twitter . . . : ( I wo n ' t be buying from them again . User # 96678 6675 posts bolinao whrl . pl / Rda2px posted 2012 - May - 7 , 5 : 18 pm AEST Here ' s the sad truth about Kogan . It ' s cheap stuff . I beg to differ , I have bought a few items from Kogan and they are excellent quality , that keeps me going back to them . User # 111066 543 posts sjh2006 whrl . pl / Rdb1en posted 2012 - May - 21 , 8 : 46 pm AEST bought a kogan nero tv stand didnt come with any instructions on how to put it together it ' s telling me to refer to the kogan website but i cant even find the instructions on there ! not happy KOGAN User # 61886 788 posts homer28 whrl . pl / Rdb3th posted 2012 - May - 22 , 1 : 33 pm AEST I find that their after sales support is virtually not there . I sent them an email and no reply from them for 2 days , then log a ticket online , no reply . There is no phone no . listed on their website . User # 169088 4242 posts r3druM ssiM whrl . pl / Rdb4Db posted 2012 - May - 22 , 6 : 06 pm AEST Kogan Support at support @ kogan . com . au or 1300 304 292 . Maybe ring that number and see if they can put you through to sales or help you ? http : / / kogan . webfactional . com / contact / User # 10075 10398 posts i I o I i < - GOAL whrl . pl / Rdb5Ek posted 2012 - May - 22 , 9 : 42 pm AEST I ' ve never had a problem with Kogan , and I do n ' t mind waiting a week considering they are cheaper than many other places . User # 186778 557 posts alesium whrl . pl / RdcDka posted 2012 - May - 30 , 9 : 28 pm AEST I ' ve recently required support from Kogan and have found them to be quite helpful . < Accessory missing from recent purchase > . They are posting it out to me . User # 361223 234 posts junior01 whrl . pl / RddJLJ posted 2012 - Jun - 15 , 11 : 21 pm AEST On the bright side : I quite like Kogan himself . He looks like a douche , but he ' s actually a really cool and switched on guy . He ' s like the alpha troll , kind of like a bizarro Kyle Sandilands , although one uses their power for capitalism , the other for cheap shots and nothing to show for it other than ratings on a terrible radio station playing terrible music . what a wasted life . User # 417491 2300 posts Your public identity . whrl . pl / RdfO4V posted 2012 - Jul - 18 , 10 : 49 am AEST I am getting lots of marketing from Kogan that I would consider spam . A few emails a day , at least . What ' s worse is that they are the same email over and over for a specific promotion . What the flap Kogan ? Just today I have received four already for your stupid 64gb USB drive . tl ; dr – kogan spamming my inbox daily with repeat emails User # 361237 986 posts nicrulz whrl . pl / RdfPft posted 2012 - Jul - 18 , 11 : 30 am AEST Brandy92 writes . . . What the flap Kogan ? Just today I have received four already for your stupid 64gb USB drive . I have received three of these emails already as well . Think they may have an issue with they system atm . A few emails a day , at least . Normally I only get 1 a day . I believe there is an unsubscribe link at the bottom of the email if you do n ' t want to continue to receive them User # 407020 370 posts Dalamar1975 whrl . pl / RdfPom posted 2012 - Jul - 18 , 12 : 01 pm AEST I ordered a DSLR from them on 11 / 7 , Received confirmation on 11 / 7 Processing e - mail on 12 / 7 Processed e - mail on 12 / 7 Dispatch and tracking number on 15 / 7 Received Camera on 16 / 7 All in all a pretty good experience . Although I have received two of the 64gb usb e - mails even though I thought i opted out . Have unsubscribed just now to be sure . User # 140335 1482 posts Hopeless Case whrl . pl / RdfR2W posted 2012 - Jul - 18 , 10 : 25 pm AEST I placed an order for a camera last Saturday . One week later and by all accounts , the item has n ' t left the building . Is this normal for Kogan ? They will blame it on i.e 7 User # 283525 995 posts midspace whrl . pl / Rdhq10 posted 2012 - Aug - 13 , 11 : 43 am AEST My first time ordering something from Kogan . 21 / 7 . I ordered a DSLR from them . 21 / 7 . Received confirmation . 23 / 7 . at 5 : 43 PM Recevied message about security check . They called my phone phone , which I was n ' t home . They ignored my mobile number specified in the order . They also sent an email at the same time , telling me to contact them on their 1300 number , but it was after 5PM . O_o 24 / 7 . Called them back ( and repeated everything I wrote in the order . Security check , WTF ? ) , and they processed the order , informing me that they would post it out next week ( I assumed they meant , that the DSLR would be sent from HK to their HQ in Melbourne , same state as me , before re - posting to me . This is how they get around customs duty for customer . ) 24 / 7 . Credit card was charged for full amount . 31 / 7 . No dispatch notifications for whole week , emailed about delay . 1 / 8 . Received response " temporary shorage in stock " , " expetcting for your order to be dispatched early next week . " 8 / 8 . No dispatch notifications for whole week , called them again . They said next week . 13 / 8 . Still waiting for some sign of my order coming . I ' m a patient guy , so I ' ll wait a bit more . User # 414066 855 posts Sunnyjim82 Banned whrl . pl / RdhrOl posted 2012 - Aug - 13 , 2 : 44 pm AEST midspace writes . . . 24 / 7 . Credit card was charged for full amount . 31 / 7 . No dispatch notifications for whole week , emailed about delay . 1 / 8 . Received response " temporary shorage in stock " , " expetcting for your order to be dispatched early next week . " So they charged your credit card before confirming they had stock ? NICE ! ! So you are running up credit charges whilst you wait . . They should only charge once the item has shipped . Poor form , thanks for the warning , wo n ' t be using Kogan . User # 175407 17140 posts C0RE 2 DU0 whrl . pl / RdhCEf posted 2012 - Aug - 15 , 5 : 33 pm AEST Got a call from them to confirm shipping address . Is this normal ? User # 285000 974 posts FreddyP whrl . pl / RdhCID posted 2012 - Aug - 15 , 5 : 52 pm AEST m i k e writes . . . It is cheap stuff – and there ' s nothing wrong with that . I ' ve bought a few things from them and I ' ve been pleased with the service and the support . User # 220960 2219 posts netnode whrl . pl / RdhCKb posted 2012 - Aug - 15 , 6 : 00 pm AEST I had a problem , sent a few emails that went un - answered . Tried to phone them a few times , the wait times are too long so I did n ' t wait . Threw the item in the bin . Never again Mr . Kogan . User # 12178 773 posts Blacksmith whrl . pl / RdkAqw posted 2012 - Sep - 29 , 1 : 48 pm AEST edited 2012 - Sep - 29 , 2 : 19 pm AEST It appears you will have problems if you order a DSLR Camera from Kogan . Here is my experience so far . 18 / 09 / 12 Placed an order for Nikon D7000 Camera ( Body Only ) . When I ordered it the Kogan website had and expected delivery date of 25 / 9 / 12 . 18 / 09 / 12 Received the following confirmation by email . Your order was successfully processed . Expected dispatch date : 25 Sep 2012 18 / 09 / 12 Credit Card charged . 20 / 09 / 12 Received the following message by email . We are currently processing your order and expect to confirm it for dispatch shortly . You should receive a further update when your order is processed for dispatch within 3 business days . 20 / 09 / 12 Your order has been processed for dispatch at one of our international facilities and we expect to confirm the shipment shortly . You should receive your courier tracking information by email within the next 48 business hours . 25 / 09 / 12 Lodged a ticket online requesting delivery information . 27 / 09 / 12 In response to my online ticket I received this email . Your item has been dispatched and you should receive an email with tracking information shortly . 27 / 09 / 12 Received another email . Your order has been processed for dispatch at one of our international facilities and we expect to confirm the shipment shortly . You should receive your courier tracking information by email within the next 48 business hours . 28 / 09 / 12 Called the call centre ( Melbourne ) . I was told my item had shipped and was with the courier for delivery . I should get my tracking number shortly . I asked if my item was in Australia hand he said yes it was . I asked if I could cancel my order and get a refund . He said yes he could process that for my but I would not get the refund until I received the item and then returned it to them . Still waiting for the tracking number . This was my first and will be my last time using Kogan . User # 4198 2687 posts Triceratops whrl . pl / RdkBda posted 2012 - Sep - 29 , 5 : 33 pm AEST Sorry to hear that . I ordered A camera from Kogan a month ago . Ordered Sunday night . Despatched from Melbourne on Monday . Delivered to Sydney on Tuesday . As good as it gets . User # 207304 363 posts light487 whrl . pl / RdkJxM posted 2012 - Oct - 2 , 10 : 20 am AEST It seems that consistency in delivery of service from all the online shops in Australia is the main problem . Some times you get lucky and get your items delivered in a reasonable time and some times you have the worst experience ever . . and it ' s certainly not unique to Kogan . I ' ve never had any problems with offshore online retailers , whether it be UK , USA , China . . they all have high levels of consistency . . yes , they make mistakes and occasionally things go pear shaped but out of On the other hand , the experiences I ' ve had with the large online retailers in Australia is about 50 / 50 . The small Mum&Pop stores are always very consistent and great to deal with . . but the bigger ones are a nightmare AT LEAST 50 % of the time . . if not more . . I am being generous in only saying 50 % . The online retailers in Australia really need to lift their game otherwise the offshore retailers are going to come in and steal all of the profits with their consistency and efficiency . You expect a decent amount of consistency and efficiency when dealing with a local supplier . . at least as good as offshore suppliers , if not better . . otherwise what is the point of dealing with them ? Their prices are geenrally the same if not worse . . so what is the reason behind going through them ? Expectations that deliveries will be faster . Again , Kogan is not unique in this but the bigger they get , the worse they seem to get also . User # 521737 39 posts momuntei Participant whrl . pl / RdkJIi posted 2012 - Oct - 2 , 11 : 07 am AEST Bought a coffee machine and an LCD TV from them on separate occasion . Delivered within 3 business days . Tracking number provided ( was with TollIPEC ) . Varying delivery times could be due to whichever external courier they use , route . Sometimes there might be a delay if the courier decide to consolidate multiple deliveries to their local depots . User # 109374 3111 posts SenorClean whrl . pl / RdkK7E posted 2012 - Oct - 2 , 4 : 37 pm AEST I have bought 3 items from Kogan : 19 " LED TV with built in DVD player ( early 2011 ) . Price was well below what was the norm , and I bought it liveprice . It came a few weeks late , but the price easily made up for the wait . 42 " LED TV – I paid $ 330 for this . . . it was a super - special and had 6 weeks lead time on it . It ended up coming after about 9 weeks . The TV had broken Konka firmware on it and was totally unusuable . I returned it under warranty and had no joy 5 weeks later . On talking to support though , they had a new one shipped out that day which has been fine . A bit of a pain , but the price more than made up for it . I did have some issues connecting it to my receiver – it uses a proprietary breakout cable which the manual says is not included . Support offered to post me one when I asked about it , but I later found one in the box anyway . SGS3 . Ordered on a Thursday night , in my hands on the next Monday morning . . . no complaints there . All up , I ' m satisfied with Kogan . So long as you understand what you are getting yourself in to . User # 381101 11534 posts Ryback007 whrl . pl / RdkLcX posted 2012 - Oct - 2 , 4 : 58 pm AEST TripleJ85 writes . . . 42 " LED TV – I paid $ 330 for this . . . it was a super - special and had 6 weeks lead time on it . Yeah and it was kogan TV . Not worth much more than $ 300 anyway . It ended up coming after about 9 weeks . Would ' ve rather paid the extra and actually recieved my goods in decent time , plus the fact of settling for an inferior product . The TV had broken Konka firmware on it and was totally unusuable . I returned it under warranty and had no joy 5 weeks later . So this is now 14 weeks without your TV ? A bit of a pain , but the price more than made up for it . Do you actually think this ? I did have some issues connecting it to my receiver – it uses a proprietary breakout cable which the manual says is not included . Support offered to post me one when I asked about it , but I later found one in the box anyway . So another drama . If you really think saving $ 200 is worth being screwed for weeks and ending up with a rubbish product then fair enough , each to their own . All up , I ' m satisfied with Kogan . After all that , this makes me laugh what people will do / put up with to get a cheap deal . Do you continue to use Kogan even after all of that ? User # 109374 3111 posts SenorClean whrl . pl / RdkLQe posted 2012 - Oct - 2 , 7 : 57 pm AEST Ryback007 writes . . . Do you continue to use Kogan even after all of that ? I probably will , yes . It is all about managing expectations . I have had no problems at all with non - Kogan products . The Kogan products I have bought were cheap and alright quality . I did n ' t care about timing ( I was overseas for the month they were ' fixing ' my TV ) – if I did , I would have bought something local . It ' s that classic triangle – cheap , decent , fast pick two . Also – to be fair , it took Samsung 3 visits to the repair shop to get my 27 " working when I bought it 5 years ago . Everyone screws up . User # 207304 363 posts light487 whrl . pl / RdkNVY posted 2012 - Oct - 3 , 11 : 54 am AEST Yup all comes down to the expectations they ( Kogan ) display on their website . I recently ordered an iPad 3 and at the time their website clearly said they were in stock and would ship within 5 business days . So I am already " expecting " a 1.5 to 2 week delivery timeframe before I even add it to my cart . It still makes me wonder what they are doing when it takes 3 business days to go from " Purchase Confirmed " to " Processing " though . Sure , that means they will likely " Dispatch " the item in the next 2 days ( within the 5 day estimate ) but 3 business days is a bit excessive even so . . . for something that was in stock . Now if they ' d worded it differently to clearly point out the process in full , I would n ' t be scratching my head over the 3 day delay . . which is n ' t actually a delay at all . . It really is about expectation . . I ' m still expecting a 1.5 to 2 week delivery timeframe , regardless of the time it takes to go through each step but if Kogan had worded things differently , I ' d be having a much more positive customer experience . User # 51925 21340 posts highswr whrl . pl / RdkNYy posted 2012 - Oct - 3 , 12 : 04 pm AEST light487 writes . . . they were in stock and would ship within 5 business day To me that means the do n ' t have it in stock in the local Australian store or they have a woefull pick and ship system . User # 230457 203 posts drichardson whrl . pl / Rdk6HT posted 2012 - Oct - 8 , 3 : 05 am AEST Kogan seems to have dropped the ball . . .I have an order 9 days old and still not shipped . whrl . pl / Rdk7yk posted 2012 - Oct - 8 , 11 : 09 am AEST Yup . . my order was shipping on the 7th day , which is not too bad . . should be here tomorrow or wednesday . It ' s still within the estimate . . but again , it all comes down to the expectations that they give you when you ' re ordering from them . . from thos expectations , you would expect to have received it already but of course not having received it yet is n ' t a problem as it is still within the estimate . . and so what is there really to User # 262546 3980 posts PGriz whrl . pl / Rdk8Jm posted 2012 - Oct - 8 , 3 : 54 pm AEST drichardson writes . . . Kogan seems to have dropped the ball . . .I have an order 9 days old and still not shipped . LOL – they are building it in china , the old " build on demand and reduce stock supplies and holding costs " trick ; ) – just trolling there . I ' ve never used KOGAN , so i can not comment . Have been tempted to a few times , but I just can not come to using them : ( User # 524967 4 posts User 524967 Spammer whrl . pl / Rdk86c posted 2012 - Oct - 8 , 5 : 29 pm AEST I thought there must be some reason for this . Please be patient . : ) User # 467180 29 posts Champachan I ' m new here , please be nice whrl . pl / Rdk9en posted 2012 - Oct - 8 , 6 : 05 pm AEST I bought a canon camera off these guys last month ( 25th ) . After chasing them up a few times was told from support non kogan products usually take 5 working days to arrive . I just got an automatic email today ( 8th ) saying the camera is now out of stock and they are refunding my money ! I payed by CC so the refund will take 7 days ! Worst part is they still have the camera selling in another colour . . . So I have learnt the hard way not to buy from them . User # 525186 2 posts DMIK I ' m new here , please be nice whrl . pl / Rdlc5O posted 2012 - Oct - 9 , 4 : 44 pm AEST What i do n ' t understand is the lack of communication . Most peoples minds would be at ease with informative consultants . I am waiting for a phone , have received all the usual emails that keep promising what they clearly ca n ' t deliver . If you say 48 hours to receive tracking details , why ca n ' t it be 48 hours ? A simple , " our apologies for the delay " call or email keeps the the trust in the company . Lose trust and you have nothing . Does n ' User # 525186 2 posts DMIK whrl . pl / Rdlc6a posted 2012 - Oct - 9 , 4 : 45 pm AEST If only retailers would drop there margins , would still prefer to buy in store User # 227474 5699 posts a horrible username whrl . pl / Rdlc9v posted 2012 - Oct - 9 , 5 : 01 pm AEST bolinao writes . . . bolinao . . . I beg to differ , I have bought a few items from Kogan and they are excellent quality , that keeps me going back to them . Agree , I have no problems with them . I think people become impatience when they have n ' t heard an update for a few days . Items usually arrive within 2 weeks , there ' s no priority for whingers who want next day delivery . User # 20618 4124 posts DotComDotAU whrl . pl / RdleaL posted 2012 - Oct - 9 , 9 : 06 pm AEST I ordered 2 items from Kogan ( Convection Microwave and speaker system ) and had these sent to two different address interstate . Both items reached teir destination in three days from order . To be honest I was pleasently surprised ! User # 494102 22 posts goseb Participant whrl . pl / RdlnIG posted 2012 - Oct - 12 , 10 : 48 am AEST Placed order for Bose earphone on 28th September , the website said it would dispatch within 5 business day . Now my order is still being proceed and stay at HK . WTF ! ! ! If I know it will take more than 5 business day , I will certainly go Amazon . User # 153484 1062 posts fat - man whrl . pl / RdlnZg posted 2012 - Oct - 12 , 11 : 49 am AEST Kogan are a drop shipper , although they do keep a fair bit of stock that is popular ready to ship from here . Thats why sometimes things take a day or so and sometimes a week . The only downside with Kogan is there are slow to reply to emails But generally if you are patient you will get a response from them . whrl . pl / Rdlo6h posted 2012 - Oct - 12 , 3 : 59 pm AEST waterproof writes . . . I think people become impatience when they have n ' t heard an update for a few days . Items usually arrive within 2 weeks , there ' s no priority for whingers who want next day delivery . It ' s true . . however they do ship overnight courier on most of their products . . just that it takes around 7 to 9 days ( including weekends ) for them to get around to shipping the item . It ' s that 7 to 9 days that is what most people are complaining about . User # 459321 573 posts Killing Joke whrl . pl / RdlqTw posted 2012 - Oct - 13 , 9 : 53 am AEST drichardson writes . . . Correct , Heres my review of the Kogan process . Ordered Nexus 7 on 28 Sep 12 . Monies deducted from pray pal on the 1st of Oct . Many BS email on how my Nexus 7 order is being looked at and processed . Then , the email that shortly I will receive a con note number . Then , an email again 4 business day delay . No email after the expiry of the email advising of the delay . I send an email asking WTF is wrong with you people , where is my Nexus . Get another stupid email back telling me that they will email me . FFS that response has now generated a prey pal dispute . Mr Kogan doesnt have the stock , just gathering up the dollars to do a bulk buy , deduct the commission and then haggle with the freight . Get Stuffed , give me my money back . What an epic fail this transaction has been . On par with those peddlers of junk K Mate . User # 145032 2064 posts braso whrl . pl / Rdlq79 posted 2012 - Oct - 13 , 11 : 13 am AEST At the end of the day , if you do n ' t go in with any expectations of speedy shipping then you wo n ' t be disappointed . Upside is the price point is usually very competitive . I ordered a Galaxy Note from Kogan a few months ago and it took about 10 days for my order to get processed . Customer service is abysmal . The only way I got a response was by ringing up or by posting on their twitter customer service account . At the end of the day , I got my I would buy from them again , but I would n ' t have the expectation of getting the item within a week . Tempted to get a LED TV given the pricing . User # 459321 573 posts Killing Joke whrl . pl / RdlraO posted 2012 - Oct - 13 , 11 : 29 am AEST braso writes . . . At the end of the day , if you do n ' t go in with any expectations of speedy shipping then you wo n ' t be disappointed . No , that comment is clouding the discussion . The deal was ( Kogan Contract ) despatched by 8 Oct 12 . Thats what the blurb said , thats what ANY CONSUMER would expect . I did my part and paid the dollars pronto to get the ball rolling . Mr Kogan flapped up and started a barage of BS emails that equate to nothing . What makes you think that consumers should not have any expectations from any E Tailer and that includes Kogan . My purchase was based on the blurb on his website and the CONTRACT . It was a google search that landed me on his site and I was not shopping for price . $ 299.00 is what EVERYONE is selling this device for . Replying to questions with BS emails wont win you many customers . To bad I didnt see this thread before my purchase . I would buy from them again , but I would n ' t have the expectation of getting the item within a week . Tempted to get a LED TV given the pricing . You obviously have low standards and are welcome to proceed this way . I dont think someone holding anyones money for over 2 weeks and delivering ZILCH can be treated as a serious player . Its a disgrace to the really good online retailers . Who stands outside the bakery and watches the bread being baked that you have prepaid 15 days in advance ? Kogans methods is simply funding his empire for free . Interest free loans , wake up ! I will never buy from Kogan again . User # 145032 2064 posts braso whrl . pl / Rdlrnk posted 2012 - Oct - 13 , 12 : 46 pm AEST Melissa2020 writes . . . No , that comment is clouding the discussion . The deal was ( Kogan Contract ) despatched by 8 Oct 12 . Thats what the blurb said , thats what ANY CONSUMER would expect . I did my part and paid the dollars pronto to get the ball rolling . Mr Kogan flapped up and started a barage of BS emails that equate to nothing . LOL , he must be a busy man . What makes you think that consumers should not have any expectations from any E Tailer and that includes Kogan . My purchase was based on the blurb on his website and the CONTRACT . It was a google search that landed me on his site and I was not shopping for price . $ 299.00 is what EVERYONE is selling this device for . Replying to questions with BS emails wont win you many customers . To bad I didnt see this thread before my purchase . Spelling aside , you hit the nail on the head . You did n ' t research first . When I bought my Note from Kogan , I decided to go either Kogan , DWI or another drop shipper to save a few hundred . I did my own risk assessment for want of another term , and decided Kogan was probably the best of a bad bunch based on the numerous reviews available online ( including on Whirlpool ) . The disappointing part about my experience was that it is so hit and miss with their shipping . I You obviously have low standards and are welcome to proceed this way . I dont think someone holding anyones money for over 2 weeks and delivering ZILCH can be treated as a serious player . Its a disgrace to the really good online retailers . Read my first post . I think you are mistaking me for some sort of Kogan fanboi . I merely said if you go in with little expectation knowing you are getting a good deal , you wo n ' t be disappointed . On a lot of items other online retailers ca n ' t get close . If you read my post , I also mentioned the customer service was abysmal . Who stands outside the bakery and watches the bread being baked that you have prepaid 15 days in advance ? Kogans methods is simply funding his empire for free . Interest free loans , wake up ! I will never buy from Kogan again . Buyer beware . I paid the same for my Nexus 7 from EB Games and got it as a preorder . No way I would have paid the same at Kogan unless I was getting a hell of a deal ( which you were n ' t ! ) . I stand by my comments . You ' ll get a good deal on a lot of items , but you ' ll just have to wait 2 - 3 weeks . Do your research before using drop ship services such as Kogan . Once you receive your order , User # 33103 8373 posts Rotten Ronnie whrl . pl / RdlyHx posted 2012 - Oct - 15 , 8 : 39 am AEST What a joke Kogan are they send you an email with Tracking number : 2187009xxxxx ( FedEx ) Click Here To Track Your Delivery takes you to Fed EX site When they use Toll Global Express someone in another thread found that by putting tracking number in Toll Global Express you magically can track your item & yes you can as i just did ! User # 526325 1 posts Hektikf whrl . pl / RdlBVx posted 2012 - Oct - 15 , 9 : 40 pm AEST have ordered a phone from them , got the " ready for dispatch , will receive tracking in 48hrs " emails but nothing regarding order status since then ; today is day 8 / 9 and every time i email them i get the " keep checking your email " response Saw his youtube videos about quick shipping and doing all they can for their customers and thought they were a reliable business . i can not comprehend why all ebay sellers ive dealt with can manage to dispatch within 24hrs but Kogan cant within 9 days . is it normal to be waiting this long for a bloody tracking number ? what do ? User # 33103 8373 posts Rotten Ronnie whrl . pl / RdlMCn posted 2012 - Oct - 18 , 4 : 28 pm AEST Hektikf writes . . . is it normal to be waiting this long for a bloody tracking number ? what do ? Try tracking number in here www . dpex . com as Kogan have a habit of putting Toll express con numbers into a link for Fedex idiots User # 468967 1995 posts eagleburger whrl . pl / RdlMFx posted 2012 - Oct - 18 , 4 : 43 pm AEST I ordered an SIII for the wife on a thursday night . Received phone on monday morning , dispatch and tracking number tuesday . Very happy with all three purchases from kogan . User # 330211 309 posts davepoole whrl . pl / RdmpYF posted 2012 - Oct - 29 , 10 : 42 am AEST I ordered a Nexus phone from Kogan , ordered on Friday , now its Monday and it has been shipped and is in transit . Not bad since it was ordered late on Friday night . Have n ' t received it yet so ca n ' t rate my experience with Kogan yet but I can rate the price . Just got back from Singapore last week , was going to get a phone there but all of them were around 60 to 70 bucks more expensive than Kogan . Most were over a 100 bucks more expensive than User # 124213 6443 posts Mr Anonymous whrl . pl / RdmqPk posted 2012 - Oct - 29 , 2 : 12 pm AEST I purchase a Galaxy S2 last thursday , received a a confirmation that my order had been processed and to expect shipment shortly . Still pending on confirmation of it being shipped + tracking number . User # 448393 1146 posts Aractus whrl . pl / Rdmrcj posted 2012 - Oct - 29 , 3 : 37 pm AEST Kogan is 100 % online . So the very idea that their customers repeatedly order stock listed as " in stock " only to be then told it is on " back order " and given intentionally incorrect timeframes demonstrates their business ethic . Imagine if the same was true of Amazon . com ! What also can not be separated from the discussion of their honesty and integrity is the way that they advertise and promote their flagship products ( TV ' s , STU ' s and BR players ) claiming that they are the same quality as top brands at a fraction of the cost , and intending people to be influenced by " band confusion " . For instance , saying it has an " LG panel " causes their customers to believe it ' s LG TV . So yeah , my interpretation of Kogan is basically that if an online retailer that is 100 % online is known for 1 . advertising items " in stock " that are n ' t and giving misleading turnaround timeframes and 2 . advertising items as identical or better to top brands , then those two things expose their entire business model to be based on a bait and switch philosophy . Hence I would n ' t give them my money ! User # 220960 2219 posts netnode whrl . pl / Rdmrfa posted 2012 - Oct - 29 , 3 : 49 pm AEST Wait until you need service , they do n ' t even bother replying to emails . User # 448393 1146 posts Aractus whrl . pl / RdmrMf posted 2012 - Oct - 29 , 6 : 05 pm AEST As I said , " online only " stores are great , but they need to offer a service that is equal to the minimum we ' d expect from it ! I know some of the places I ' ve ordered from have given me a personal call to let me know of any complications with my order – even from the USA ! Likewise I expect to be able to call the company and have someone respond quickly , after all I do n ' t have the money to waste on long overseas calls . And again ODTmaps . com . My credit card was rejected by their system , twice , online – so I called and completed the order on the phone . Do n ' t think for a minute I would have completed a call if it had not gone smoothly as one would expect it to ! Now if I expect this service from the USA and other oversease retailers , then I would surely expect to get the same level of customer service – if not better – when dealing with local Australian companies . Again I ' ve found local companies good to deal with . JPL Displays comes to mind . Cheap Bargains were great , and I ' d deal with them again too . But really Kogan knows they sell sub - standard products as their flagship range , and if they ' re happy to do this , then it logically follows they ' re going to give you sub - standard service too . If their TV ' s ( and the rest of their flagship range ) were actually of any decent quality , he ' d be able to have his brand picked up by retailers like JB - HIFI to compete against the other low - end range . After all he repeatedly claims that his brand is better User # 447226 2129 posts MetalSnake whrl . pl / RdmwCO posted 2012 - Oct - 30 , 12 : 49 pm AEST edited 2012 - Oct - 30 , 1 : 19 pm AEST Solved User # 251995 9405 posts Sir NoCashatAll whrl . pl / RdmwKZ posted 2012 - Oct - 30 , 1 : 19 pm AEST edited 2012 - Oct - 30 , 1 : 24 pm AEST MetalSnake writes . . . solved Normally that means that your local PO has signed for it and you get a card . Do n ' t worry , it will get to you . : ) User # 447226 2129 posts MetalSnake whrl . pl / RdmwL2 posted 2012 - Oct - 30 , 1 : 23 pm AEST NoCashatAll writes . . . Normally that means that your local PO has signed for it and you get a card . Do n ' t worry , it will get to you . : ) Ya just called fedex and its all good . Its just fedex website too slow to update the delivery info . . still showing alexandria instead of my suburb lol User # 251995 9405 posts Sir NoCashatAll whrl . pl / RdmwL6 posted 2012 - Oct - 30 , 1 : 23 pm AEST Aractus writes . . . Hence I would n ' t give them my money ! I got a google nexus 16G for 249 plus 19 freight . Its really nice , had a power supply as well . Delivered in 2 weeks . If you want to see rubbish go to K mart and feel sorry for the people buying tech gear in there . You are being to harsh on Ruslan : ) whrl . pl / RdmwMO posted 2012 - Oct - 30 , 1 : 25 pm AEST MetalSnake writes . . . still showing alexandria instead of my suburb lol fedex are a class act ; ) . Enjoy the toy . whrl . pl / Rdmx1Z posted 2012 - Oct - 30 , 6 : 00 pm AEST NoCashatAll writes . . . If you want to see rubbish go to K mart and feel sorry for the people buying tech gear in there . I see the same thing when people walk into Office Works and buy chairs and furniture for their homes , they ' re the idiots who ' ll be breathing in the formaldehyde , and sitting on very low quality cushions and risk injury when the chair breaks apart from under them . That ' s even worse than buying low - end tech gear , cause at least that stuff does n ' t endanger your health ! Same thing with half the powertools that Bunnings sells . In fact , I ca n ' t even buy the tradie level stuff at Bunnings , they simply stop at mid range gear . That ' s why everyone in Canberra goes to Fisher ' s for that stuff . Well all the tradies do anyway . Everyone who puts tools in their sheds at home goes to Bunnings . Examples can go on and on and on . Kogan ' s flagship range is the same as this , cheap unreliable immiation crap . Bait and Switch . User # 72804 7963 posts Sir Moose whrl . pl / RdmAkf posted 2012 - Oct - 31 , 10 : 30 am AEST Well I just bought my daughter a digi SLR from Kogan , was $ 300 cheaper than any bricks and motar place we could find and its the exact same camera . Arrived within a few days , daughter happy with camera and i ' m happy we bought through Kogan . I wouldnt be buying one of their TV ' s but i ' d buy a name brand item i know is quality ( such as the camera we got ) . User # 218078 1780 posts User 218078 whrl . pl / RdmKKJ posted 2012 - Nov - 2 , 6 : 21 pm AEST Any international shipments from a local business will always comment it being in warehouse when infact its still traveling overseas . They may do it early or late , many things can happen . Its actually common but when you recieve the item you ' ll never look back . The . Moose writes . . . Arrived within a few days , daughter happy with camera and i ' m happy we bought through Kogan . I wouldnt be buying one of their TV ' s but i ' d buy a name brand item i know is quality ( such as the camera we got ) . kogan tv ' s are not actually bad , they use same panels as lg or somasung and cover it with cloth lol . But they limit resolution sometimes due to larger manufactures increasing panel to pixel per nono of metre , and it drives kogan mad lol , well it would for me any way . User # 72804 7963 posts Sir Moose whrl . pl / RdmQ7A posted 2012 - Nov - 4 , 9 : 38 pm AEST Obama_julia_howard_3rd writes . . . kogan tv ' s are not actually bad They might be ok , no idea but if i ' m buying a tv i want to see it before i buy it . User # 222278 326 posts melaus whrl . pl / RdmR6X posted 2012 - Nov - 5 , 8 : 49 am AEST Afraid , Kogan is an " On - Line Product Version " like TIGER AIRLINES ! Have a look sometimes to see what they are about , but really not game to go any further than that . User # 7603 3405 posts Chris Johnson whrl . pl / Rdm1iR posted 2012 - Nov - 6 , 9 : 53 pm AEST From my experience with this crowd , they are VERY slow to ship compared to other grey importers . I bought my 10.1 note from them . happy with the device , but I didnt get a shipping notice for 9 working days ! Once it shipped it was pretty quick , like 3 to 4 days . As a comparison , I bought a mobile from another company ( Cant remember which one now ) on the very early hours on a Thursday morning from HK ( I ' m in Perth ) , granted it was shipped by DHL ( Expensive ) but the unit arrived at work the following Monday afternoon . Indicative of just how quick some companies can ship . User # 429022 16 posts thesisko whrl . pl / RdnAaf posted 2012 - Nov - 15 , 11 : 58 am AEST My Experience The stated that the item was " in stock " dispatched within 3 – 5 business days . 9 / 11 Purchased item 9 / 11 Confirmation of payment received 12 / 11 Received email stating I should get a email within 3 business days advising of dispatch 13 / 11 Again , Received email stating I should get a email within 3 business days advising of dispatch 14 / 11 Again , Received email stating I should get a email within 3 business days advising of dispatch 14 / 11 Emailed their help advising that I have received 3 emails with the same communication . . .not happy 15 / 11 Again , Received email stating I should get a email within 3 business days advising of dispatch 15 / 11 Email again advising that it should be dispatched tomorrow at the latest as when I purchased the phone it stated 3 – 5 business days for dispatch . My problem with this site is that even though they are a drop shipper , they are playing with fire stating incorrect and inaccurate information on when items are to be shipped . Taking our money and then holding onto it for as long as they want is not right . If you know you cant ship within 5 days . . .DONT STATE IT KOGAN . I do know that my item is shipped from OS , however , they stated that it would be 5 days for dispatch . I ' m on the 4th day and I ' ve received the 4 emails stating they are going to be sending me info on when it ' s going to be dispatched . I ' m giving them until Monday ( 6 business days after purchase ) . If I do n ' t get any communication , I ' m going to the ombudsmen . User # 22591 452 posts - = NIDZ = - whrl . pl / RdnDlA posted 2012 - Nov - 16 , 7 : 42 am AEST I made my first purchase from Kogan a few weeks ago . Canon 650D camera . Arrived in a few days . Perfect ! I would shop there again . User # 493623 149 posts Muzii whrl . pl / Rdn9g9 posted 2012 - Nov - 24 , 8 : 02 am AEST - = NIDZ = - writes . . . I made my first purchase from Kogan a few weeks ago . Canon 650D camera . Arrived in a few days . Perfect ! I would shop there again . I have also purchased a 650D , but I ' m yet to recieve a tracking number , and just got the regular bullshit emails " Our overseas warerhouse has recieved your order and will be dispatched shortly , you will recieve tracking number . I have a feeling I ' m in for a lengthy and paniful experience with Kogan . I paid with Paypal though so , I ' m about to go and read the dispute terms , I wo n ' t let Kogan make me wait a day more than what would be considered a realistic timeframe for me to recieve my camera . There customer service is shockingly appauling . I think your 650D would of been sitting in there warehouse in Melbourne for it to get to you that fast , I do n ' t think you would of got it from Kogan HK that fast . User # 151953 1620 posts asiobob whrl . pl / Rdn9jt posted 2012 - Nov - 24 , 8 : 19 am AEST Do you want to add some critical items to your post – like WHEN you ordered your 650D ? For example , I ordered a SGSIII from them and it 4 days later I received my tracking number . User # 493623 149 posts Muzii whrl . pl / Rdn9j8 posted 2012 - Nov - 24 , 8 : 24 am AEST So you ordered an S3 , and recieved a tracking number four business days after your purchase ? Are they also shipped out of HK ? User # 151953 1620 posts asiobob whrl . pl / Rdn9vj posted 2012 - Nov - 24 , 9 : 34 am AEST correct . I ordered Monday AM received tracking Thursday PM , so 3ish days . It ' s only route from HK User # 64953 1691 posts Nostromo whrl . pl / RdolN7 posted 2012 - Nov - 27 , 4 : 37 pm AEST Anyone had any experience with a warranty claim with kogan ? They received it 2 weeks ago with no updates other than saying it ' s been received and that it is being assessed . It actually took a week of emails and me uploading a video of the problem before they would issue a repair order . anyone else been through this ? User # 116164 1198 posts benni888 whrl . pl / RdolRi posted 2012 - Nov - 27 , 4 : 49 pm AEST I ' m trying to put through a claim right now , I have filled in the returns form but waiting for them to email me the post paid labels . We ' ll see how it goes . . . 2 weeks seems quite long though , maybe you should try emailing them and ask them for a update . User # 509375 5581 posts Darth Vader whrl . pl / RdomGd posted 2012 - Nov - 27 , 8 : 25 pm AEST My tablets turned up this week mailed in a satchel bag that was dented and torn . Last week my LED lights turned up in a satchel bag too when I opened the bag the box looked like it had been run over or used as a soccer ball . User # 51913 6259 posts Crazie whrl . pl / Rdon3b posted 2012 - Nov - 28 , 9 : 00 am AEST I too , wanted a camera from Kogan ; Nikon D600 . At $ 2.2K as listed on Kogan ' s site ; knowing it ' s from OS , do I pay GST on top of that upon arrival of the item ? ? whrl . pl / RdopMv posted 2012 - Nov - 28 , 2 : 47 pm AEST does your invoice have GST ? if so no . User # 388182 13296 posts Kalak whrl . pl / Rdoqob posted 2012 - Nov - 28 , 4 : 47 pm AEST asiobob writes . . . does your invoice have GST ? if so no . This is incorrect as it ' s a personal import from Kogan HK ( which is NOT an Australian Company drop shipping from overseas ) . As such he could be subject to import duty & GST as it ' s over the threshold . Check with Customs . User # 185802 2193 posts Net_trawler whrl . pl / RdoqVR posted 2012 - Nov - 28 , 7 : 04 pm AEST I ' ve had a good experience on my first purchase from them . The item shipped ( from HK ) on the day they committed to and turned up a few days later . User # 532915 411 posts ClueSir whrl . pl / Rdoq5E posted 2012 - Nov - 28 , 7 : 43 pm AEST Kogan – ah remember everyone who got screwed over the HK iPhone 5 grey imports 3 week wait time . User # 509375 5581 posts Darth Vader whrl . pl / RdorDa posted 2012 - Nov - 28 , 10 : 06 pm AEST Their response to me today was to plug the tablets in and see if they work and if they do n ' t then we ' ll send a refund . Quite often electronic devices suffering a knock or drop will fail months after the event . So I tried to call them today to follow up on my Email to them last week . After being on hold for 30 minutes I was diverted to a different department and put back in a queue . After 20 minutes more I gave up . Serious Kogan suck ! User # 302823 3374 posts morty whrl . pl / RdoKqa posted 2012 - Dec - 3 , 1 : 50 pm AEST https : / / www . facebook . com / kogan This speaks for itself . . User # 201715 8599 posts Anon Was Here whrl . pl / RdoZ4l posted 2012 - Dec - 6 , 9 : 34 pm AEST I was happy with my last purchase . Now when it comes to warranty I feel like I ' m left out of the loop . 8 Nov : Contacted support - - Email back and forth about trouble shooting - - 16 Nov : Support filed a return form 17 Nov : Sent Nexus 26 Nov : Notification package received 2 Dec : Contact support asking for update Present day : ? ? ? Should I contact them again ? dan 6a writes . . . https : / / www . facebook . com / kogan This speaks for itself . . 359,314 likes · 8,044 talking about this ? User # 116164 1198 posts benni888 whrl . pl / Rdo0NM posted 2012 - Dec - 7 , 8 : 05 am AEST I ' m in a similiar position but have n ' t waited as long . . . yet . I got a notification package received on 30 Nov for my Galaxy SII but no updates as of yet . It ' s probably best if you email them again since they ' ve had it for a while . User # 528435 292 posts richofleming whrl . pl / Rdo168 posted 2012 - Dec - 7 , 1 : 24 pm AEST Question . . is Kogan related to Milan Direct . . . ? ? Media seems to say yes ( but furniture does n ' t seem to have KOGAN plastered all over it like his tech things ) . . . What ' s the go here ? User # 64953 1691 posts Nostromo whrl . pl / Rdo3Ip posted 2012 - Dec - 7 , 9 : 20 pm AEST Nostromo writes . . . Anyone had any experience with a warranty claim with kogan ? Just an update I got a replacement phone ( not brand new ) after them having it for 2.5 weeks . My initial contact to them was on the 30 of October and I received the replacement phone on the 3rd of December . Not very happy that it is n ' t a new phone I guess it was one someone returned within the 14 day time period . The phone has no scratches or visible marks so I am happy about that at least . User # 151918 2085 posts rm1x whrl . pl / Rdo3JJ posted 2012 - Dec - 7 , 9 : 27 pm AEST Nostromo writes . . . Not very happy that it is n ' t a new phone I guess it was one someone returned within the 14 day time period . The phone has no scratches or visible marks so I am happy about that at least . You paid for a new phone so you should get a new phone . Insist on it , that ' s dodgy as . User # 275236 983 posts Immortɐlity whrl . pl / Rdo3PQ posted 2012 - Dec - 7 , 10 : 15 pm AEST these flappers just started spamming me all of a sudden ! User # 201715 8599 posts Anon Was Here whrl . pl / Rdo62I posted 2012 - Dec - 9 , 6 : 36 am AEST Anon Was Here writes . . . 8 Nov : Contacted support - - Email back and forth about trouble shooting - - 16 Nov : Support filed a return form 17 Nov : Sent Nexus 26 Nov : Notification package received 2 Dec : Contact support asking for update Present day : ? ? ? Should I contact them again ? 9 Dec : Contacted support again . User # 253141 3225 posts Diggy The Wombat whrl . pl / Rdpapd posted 2012 - Dec - 10 , 8 : 56 am AEST Their shopping cart leaves a lot to be desired ! It ' s Christmas time and they advertise having some " great " Christmas gift ideas , but their shopping cart ( no doubt for the sake of simplicity ) has absolutely no options to send it to another person ( as in , a separate delivery address ) . The only contact detail that I can link to myself I suppose is the email ( and of course my CC ) , so maybe when I send my gift to my girlfriend she ' ll have some idea of who it ' s from . . . But really if you ' re sending something to another person you really should have separate contact details and shipping details . whrl . pl / Rdpcvl posted 2012 - Dec - 10 , 4 : 42 pm AEST Is it normal for them to not reply to emails ? whrl . pl / RdpcLM posted 2012 - Dec - 10 , 5 : 55 pm AEST benni888 writes . . . Is it normal for them to not reply to emails ? Apparently . I would imagine they ' re extremely busy because of Christmas orders . Anon Was Here writes . . . 9 Dec : Contacted support again . User # 74119 1404 posts howsday whrl . pl / Rdpfrk posted 2012 - Dec - 11 , 12 : 48 pm AEST hey guys , a quick question regarding purchase from kogan . We want to buy an ipad4 from them and they have speical for $ 429 + delivery . Total $ 458 . Does it include gst and we can claim tourist refunds since my gf will head oversea on the 23rd dec ? User # 42979 74 posts earthling whrl . pl / RdpfAj posted 2012 - Dec - 11 , 1 : 12 pm AEST edited 2012 - Dec - 13 , 8 : 49 am AEST Not sure about GST , but I think you may not get your ipad before 23rd Dec anyway as it ' s quite busy time of year now . I ' ve been waiting for my purchase for 10 days already . The funny thing ( or not ) is that it was dispatched 5 days ago , and I even got a tracking number , but FedEx website does n ' t know of this tracking number , so I have no idea what ' s going on . Update : got my parcel – it was delivered by Toll , even though the email said it was Fedex , so if you ca n ' t see your item on fedex site try Toll or the other one they use ( dhl or something ) User # 42979 74 posts earthling whrl . pl / RdpfDy posted 2012 - Dec - 11 , 1 : 27 pm AEST I just checked my invoice and there is no GST component . Only item price , delivery price and totals . Also it ' s issued by Kogan HK , not Australian office . User # 74119 1404 posts howsday whrl . pl / RdpfEf posted 2012 - Dec - 11 , 1 : 29 pm AEST earthling writes . . . I just checked my invoice and there is no GST component . Only item price , delivery price and totals . Also it ' s issued by Kogan HK , not Australian office . Thanks , with the tight time frame and not much diff btw kogan price and jb . We will get it from jb instead . User # 48469 37637 posts Crazy CS whrl . pl / RdpgZl posted 2012 - Dec - 11 , 7 : 39 pm AEST Hey guys , Whats Kogan ' s alias on ebay for selling seconds ? whrl . pl / RdpmBF posted 2012 - Dec - 13 , 10 : 37 am AEST edited 2012 - Dec - 13 , 12 : 03 pm AEST 13 Dec : Contacted support again / tweeted to them . update1 : 13 Dec : @ Kogan tweeted , req Order ID update2 : 13 Dec : Replied OrderID and ReturnID update3 : 13 Dec : @ Kogan replied with Team are checking situation out update4 : 13 Dec : Kogan team replied , warrenty voided , I pay postage . Do n ' t know how moisture / sand would of gotten in there ; oh well . whrl . pl / RdpmEX posted 2012 - Dec - 13 , 10 : 49 am AEST 13 Dec : Contacted support again / tweeted to them . I emailed them on 10 Dec and they pretty much just told me it takes about 5 - 10 business days to have it looked at and that they are busy during this time of the year . User # 15519 29131 posts flubber whrl . pl / RdpmO6 posted 2012 - Dec - 13 , 11 : 31 am AEST edited 2012 - Dec - 13 , 11 : 42 am AEST Crazy CS writes . . . Whats Kogan ' s alias on ebay for selling seconds ? Do n ' t know about seconds . But this is Kogan on ebay . http : / / myworld . ebay . com . au / k ogan_direct / ? _trksid = p4340 . l2559 whrl . pl / Rdpm8j posted 2012 - Dec - 13 , 12 : 38 pm AEST benni888 writes . . . . . . . they are busy during this time of the year . I assumed so too . I was n ' t abusive or anything , was just wondering where my package was . I felt out of the loop . Hi < Name > , We ' re contacting you as your unit has been assessed by our technicians . They have found that your phone contains moisture and sand particles inside the phone . This is classed as physical damage , as it is not a fault of the phone and the phone has been damaged . As this is the case your unit is not covered under warranty and the warranty is voided . From here we can return the phone to you , but you will be required to pay the postage costs involved as per our terms and conditions of our warranty ( http : / / www . kogan . com . au / warranty / ) . This comes to a total of $ 38.00 ( 19.00 + 19.00 ) , as a gesture of goodwill towards you , we will not be charging any technician fees involved . Please let us know how you wish to proceed . Awaiting your reply . Kindest Regards , Wyatt The Kogan Team Do n ' t know how sand or moisture could of gotten in there . Only had it for a few months and never went to the beach . whrl . pl / Rdppqa posted 2012 - Dec - 13 , 10 : 56 pm AEST Do n ' t know how sand or moisture could of gotten in there . Only had it for a few months and never went to the beach . Do you feel that maybe one of the Kogan Staff took the phone to the beach with them thinking it worked and dropped it into the drink ? Just a thought . User # 75636 167 posts slab whrl . pl / Rdppxl posted 2012 - Dec - 13 , 11 : 43 pm AEST I purchased a galaxy nexus that was DOA from Kogan . The prox sensor was broken and my ear would regularly push buttons during phone calls . It would also do the opposite , thinking that my ear was next to the phone when I was just holding it in my hand . Made it pretty difficult to hang up ! On top of that , it would randomly crash in the middle of phone calls as well . Complete dud , no idea if it was a dodgy refurb or what . Nonetheless , I contacted Kogan about it and they ignored me for several days , so I was forced to lodge a Paypal dispute . They eventually requested I return the phone for ' assessment ' , which I did promptly . I emailed them every couple of days for an update and they kept fobbing me off saying they were busy , or they ignored me completely . A few weeks later Paypal ' s time limit for escalating a dispute to a claim was running out so I was had to escalate to a claim . Kogan continued All in all a pretty unpleasant experience , and I was out of pocket for 2 – 3 months , but at least I eventually got my money back ( no thanks to Kogan ) . My advice – make sure you pay with Paypal . At least then you have some recourse when things go pearshaped . whrl . pl / RdppTP posted 2012 - Dec - 14 , 7 : 51 am AEST Do you feel that maybe one of the Kogan Staff took the phone to the beach with them thinking it worked and dropped it into the drink ? Just a thought . Sarcasm ? : ) I ended up replying ; saying I would pay via Paypal and if the device could still be fixed . Have n ' t heard a response yet . Not sure if I really want to get into mobile with them now ( bought a sim anyway ) . whrl . pl / Rdpqrj posted 2012 - Dec - 14 , 10 : 22 am AEST Just an update I got a replacement phone ( not brand new ) Looks like my replacement phone is playing up now . I sent an email to kogan on Tuesday so far no response . The name of this thread sums up my thoughts on kogan ( + a few others ) whrl . pl / RdpqWk posted 2012 - Dec - 14 , 12 : 15 pm AEST The name of this thread sums up my thoughts on kogan ( + a few others ) I ' m not defending Kogan as I hate feeling ignored as a customer , but no doubt they ' re extremely busy . We ' re heading into Christmas and they ' re also rolling out a mobile service on Telstra now . edit : Just checked my email and I ' ve gotten a response : < snippet > I have spoken to our technician and he is able to repair the phone for you . We can have the unit repaired for $ 59.00 + $ 38.00 shipping . This also will mean once repaired your warranty will no longer be voided . < / snippet > whrl . pl / RdprWy posted 2012 - Dec - 14 , 4 : 20 pm AEST I ' m not defending Kogan as I hate feeling ignored as a customer , but no doubt they ' re extremely busy . I know its just annoying to get a replacement phone and have it play up and not get a timely reply from Kogan . I ask Kogan via twitter if they could look into it for me and they sent me the return forms . Thanks kogan twitter ppl whrl . pl / Rdpvph posted 2012 - Dec - 15 , 6 : 57 am AEST I know its just annoying to get a replacement phone and have it play up and not get a timely reply from Kogan . That ' s good to hear . I ask Kogan via twitter if they could look into it for me and they sent me the return forms . I did too , they ' re really helpful and seem to put your complaint at the top of the queue . User # 302823 3374 posts morty whrl . pl / RdpF7t posted 2012 - Dec - 18 , 12 : 14 pm AEST 359,314 likes · 8,044 talking about this ? Under each product description you will see more complaints and requests for assistance than actual discussion about the product whrl . pl / RdpGb3 posted 2012 - Dec - 18 , 12 : 34 pm AEST dan 6a writes . . . Under each product description you will see more complaints and requests for assistance than actual discussion about the product To be fair , most consumers head to social media to bitch about a company ; ) User # 11044 2323 posts Naya whrl . pl / RdpJkW posted 2012 - Dec - 19 , 9 : 26 am AEST To be fair , most consumers head to social media to bitch about a company ; ) Your not wrong . I used Kogan a couple of weeks ago to buy a Samsung Galaxy S3 . From order to receiving it was 10 days . No problems , thanks Kogan , will do business again . whrl . pl / RdpRoj posted 2012 - Dec - 21 , 11 : 17 am AEST Yesterday I got this email : Your Samsung Galaxy Nexus ( Silver ) – Unlocked has been returned via Registered Post . Please allow 2 - 7 business days for delivery . What are the chances of me getting it before Christmas , hell even the Near Year : P whrl . pl / RdpVg9 posted 2012 - Dec - 21 , 10 : 03 pm AEST What are the chances of me getting it before Christmas , hell even the Near Year : P Date / Time | Activity | Facility location 20 / 12 / 12 16 : 16 | In Transit | CHULLORA NSW So it ' s in Chullora ? I wonder how long it will take to deliver a package 6 hours away ? User # 3938 115 posts Dregger whrl . pl / RdpVV2 posted 2012 - Dec - 22 , 9 : 36 am AEST Kogan are USELESS ! ! ! Do n ’ t trust their 14 day money back guarantee … it ’ s a farce . They have had my money ( only $ 29 ) for 3 months … and I ’ m still waiting for my refund . It ' s a convoluted process . I ca n ' t believe how much time I ' ve wasted just for $ 29 . Here ' s my story : 15 Sept – Placed order for 4 pack of their LED globes at $ 29 . 25 Oct – Item Dispatched 26 Oct – Installed multiple lights in two different houses … they just kept flashing on for 1 second then not working . Poor quality item . 28 Oct – I submitted request for 14 day money back guarantee . 5 Nov – finally got information on how to process the product return to get my refund . 7 Nov – I sent off form and goods back to Kogan . No response . 14 Nov – I get a confirmation from kogan of received goods . 3 Dec – I email kogan chasing up my money . 5 Dec – they say they are reviewing the goods and will process the refund within 3 business days . I do n ’ t understand why they need to review the good when it ’ s a 14 day money back guarantee ? ? ? ? Honestly ! ! 10 Dec – I email them chasing the money . 17 Dec – I get a reply email saying they processed the refund on 14 Dec . Note that this was not within 3 days as they promised . 18 Dec – Still have n ’ t got money on my credit card . 20 Dec – Finally got my refund . I think inflation has reduced it ' s value . Do not buy anything from Kogan . They are cowboys ! I will be telling everyone how bad their service and products are . User # 516912 1 posts swan007 whrl . pl / RdpXpi posted 2012 - Dec - 22 , 7 : 39 pm AEST Kogan products are crap ! Bought a vaccum cleaner last year , lasted 1 week . There customer service is not much better . whrl . pl / RdpXqt posted 2012 - Dec - 22 , 7 : 47 pm AEST It ' s been over 3 weeks since Kogan received my phone for a warranty claim , still no updates , doubt I ' d be purchasing off Kogan again . They are only good if nothing goes wrong . User # 227474 5699 posts a horrible username whrl . pl / RdpXB3 posted 2012 - Dec - 22 , 8 : 54 pm AEST So it ' s in Chullora ? I wonder how long it will take to deliver a package 6 hours away ? You should take a drive and head over there : D whrl . pl / Rdp1OQ posted 2012 - Dec - 24 , 1 : 52 pm AEST waterproof writes . . . You should take a drive and head over there : D Arrived today and is charging . I noticed there was sand on the front . Not beach sand , was more gravelly sand ( England sand lol ) . Do n ' t know where that came from . User # 538597 au whrl . pl / Rdp3eJ posted 2012 - Dec - 25 , 12 : 21 am AEST Exactly - too many whiners on there . User # 328159 2180 posts rolling01au whrl . pl / Rdp3Z1 posted 2012 - Dec - 25 , 2 : 09 pm AEST Wow kogan adverising free shipping sale , funny how they upped the price of the phone i wanted by $ 10 to cover it . User # 90594 198 posts lincoln2005 whrl . pl / Rdp7M9 posted 2012 - Dec - 27 , 7 : 47 am AEST Still waiting for reply from customer service after two weeks . Radio screen has stopped working and I want to return . I know it is busy but have they switched all staff to sales ? whrl . pl / RdqccP posted 2012 - Dec - 28 , 3 : 41 pm AEST It ' s been 4 weeks since I have heard anything about my warranty update , not happy . User # 282411 76 posts Whippy whrl . pl / RdqMww posted 2013 - Jan - 8 , 2 : 39 pm AEST edited 2013 - Jan - 9 , 1 : 47 pm AEST Lol at their " help desk " http : / / puu . sh / 1L5hn Hundreds of answers yet they have no entries with the word " shipping " in it ? That ' s legit . Update : Waited forever for an update on the tracking information and never got it , two emails later with no reply and I finally called them to find out the drama . First of all : Phone support was VERY good . The guy had to call the dispatch to find out what the deal was , he called me back promptly within 10 minutes and let me know that they were out of stock and had to source more of the product from somewhere . He gave me the options available , I chose refund . Very fast and efficient customer service . Shame about the stocking issue though . User # 92566 34686 posts dufflover whrl . pl / Rdq6Og posted 2013 - Jan - 13 , 7 : 46 pm AEST Anyone know if Kogan have a rep here or an alternate contact method ? My product came with a semi - faulty USB 3.0 cable , thankfully only just that is faulty , and I followed their steps to submit a support email , but have heard nothing except the automated email when you submit the form . User # 92566 34686 posts dufflover whrl . pl / RdrlWA posted 2013 - Jan - 17 , 7 : 37 pm AEST Kogan have replied and arranged a replacement cable for me . Apologised for the delay with the NY backlog . Just a FYI / update for those who might be waiting for a reply to a support request too . User # 5069 22730 posts JG Carouser whrl . pl / RdrzzP posted 2013 - Jan - 21 , 10 : 49 am AEST Thanks . I ' ve been waiting since the 4th of January on any kind of response to a DOA request . I have logged 4 cases since that time , not one of them has been replied to . Currently on hold , caller number 23 , estimated hold time is 40 minutes . What a joke . User # 5069 22730 posts JG Carouser whrl . pl / RdrzQ4 posted 2013 - Jan - 21 , 11 : 55 am AEST Oh and Kogan tried to say that I could n ' t DOA it because it had been too long since I had recieved it . . . I admit I lost the plot with the lady on the phone a little . User # 543053 407 posts SM36 whrl . pl / Rdr1in posted 2013 - Jan - 28 , 4 : 05 pm AEST Noticed that Kogan are selling Beats Studio by Dr Dre for $ 100 cheaper then any store here , but also $ 1 cheaper then direct from the Beats American website . How is this possible and how can I be sure I ' m buying the legitimate product ? User # 219789 16 posts jimmy1964 whrl . pl / RdtjRV posted 2013 - Feb - 2 , 9 : 32 am AEST http : / / www . facebook . com / page s / Kogan - Mobile - No - Service / 592170367463780 User # 11044 2323 posts Naya whrl . pl / RdtkG8 posted 2013 - Feb - 2 , 2 : 03 pm AEST jimmy1964 writes . . . http : / / www . facebook . com / pag es / Kogan - Mobile - No - Service / 592170367463780 Why even post it ? It looks ( and sounds ) like it was made by a 15 year old kid . It would seem it has been as this " mobile phone professional " doesnt seem to even know the basics of the 850 and 2100 network / s . User # 369651 98 posts Azad - 11 whrl . pl / Rdtyrc posted 2013 - Feb - 5 , 7 : 48 pm AEST I Ordered " Lightweight Bluetooth Headphones on " on 24 / 12 / 2012 and received the wrong product : " Kogan : Smartphone Lens Kit " on 3 / 1 / 2013 I ' m in Melbourne . I would have waited 2 months for this product to arrive no problem at all but the " b.s " in between killed it for me . That ' s when the fun began . - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Communication with Kogan : Sent 5 emails Lodged 2 Tickets Made 6 phone calls That ' s being kind as there were a few more communications but to a different department . Btw , here are the Kogan phone numbers . I used the Melbourne phone number . Kogan Contact Melbourne PH : ( 03 ) 8677 2272 Kogan National PH : 1300 304 292 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Here below is some , but not all of the dealings I had with Kogan regarding this experience . Via email I was asked to take a photo of the wrong product I had received and also fill out a returns form online which I did . Then I was told to post the wrong product back to Kogan but was not left any instructions on how this postage would be reimbursed . After an email and more time passed I was told to pay for the postage which would be $ 1 or $ 2 at the most " Standard Post " I was told . I would be reimbursed once they received the wrong product back but was not told any info on how this would happen . Ok , no problem I thought . So I went to the post office and was told that it did not fit in a standard letterbox so I would need to pay $ 7 + to post it . Nope , I did n ' t post it as I thought they will probably turn around and tell me I cant have my postage money back as I paid too much . I contacted Kogan and was told that they would send me a large reply paid envelope which they did within a couple of days . I posted the wrong product back to Kogan straight away . I then called Kogan on 15 / 1 / 2013 as I could see they had received the product by the tracking number . The person I spoke to on the phone told me they received it and would send me my original order right away as well as a $ 5 Kogan gift voucher via email within 2 hours . I confirmed my email address and my postage address with him just in case and of course he had the wrong email address ! It was some random yahoo address . He then corrected that . The next day came 16 / 1 / 2013 and I had no Kogan gift voucher in my inbox or my spam . Hmm , why was n ' t I surprised ? I called Kogan again and another person " who was surprisingly helpful " confirmed my correct details and sent me the Kogan gift voucher within 15 mins ! Why on earth could n ' t the previous person be this efficient ? Funny enough , that was the best service I had from Kogan in this whole crappy ordeal . Just to add to the confusion , it was later that same day 16 / 1 / 2013 I got another email from Kogan asking me to send back the wrong order I had already sent back . wtf ! ! ! This email was of course sent by the same person who did not send me the gift voucher as promised the day before . I called them again because I thought I was back to square one and this could become a further nightmare . They said sorry he should not have sent you that email and your original order will be sent straight away ! Confirmed correct details again . 13 days later 29 / 1 / 2013 still no product arrival and no email received so I had enough of there " bs " stories and lack of service and communication . I called again and asked for a refund . The person I spoke to which was the same one who had already messed things up previously said he would refund my money via Paypal . He also told me that they did n ' t have my order in stock so that was the reason I had not received it . Keep in mind they told me previously that my order would be sent straight away . I did get my money back within 6 days which is fine , but what an absolute nightmare of an experience and such a waste of time I had with this terrible company called Kogan . I did use the $ 5 gift card on a Kogan Nano Sim but gave it to my friend who is fully aware of Kogan Mobile and their hit and miss service . I hope it goes smoothly for my friend so that he does not need to contact them . I was going to get a new Samsung Galaxy 4 when it ' s released through Kogan but not anymore . I will never deal with Kogan ever again . User # 433429 9 posts Gypsie48 whrl . pl / Rdwxkx posted 2013 - Mar - 8 , 5 : 08 pm AEST Do n ’ t buy a Kogan Day 2 still no TV I purchased a 55 inch TV back in early January . The 5th Jan actually and it was faulty in two components , they failed to get back to me and eventually I had to get Consumer Affairs . When they finally got back to me it has taken ages to get the problem resolved and they tell me lies such as the part was sent priority to the repairer but he tells me a different story . It has been 63 days that they have my money and I do n ' t have my TV so I ' User # 570900 wobbler55 whrl . pl / RdBOtB posted 2013 - Jun - 4 , 11 : 32 am AEST Have used Kogan heap ' s , but do n ' t ever return for warranty as repairs appear to be sent to Asia and worked on by their own techs , NOT warranty from Samsung , Apple etc . Had a Samsung S3 that kept freezing and documented with Kogan over 4 months , returned to Kogan at their suggestion , now they say nothing wrong with it , and want me to pay for return freight ! ! ! ! And , it takes 3 weeks plus freight times . . . NEVER ever again . User # 363738 64 posts aldebaran3003 whrl . pl / RdBXHp posted 2013 - Jun - 6 , 9 : 13 am AEST edited 2013 - Jun - 6 , 9 : 21 am AEST Check out your consumer rights http : / / www . fairtrading . qld . gov . au / types - warranties . htm http : / / www . accc . gov . au / consu mers / consumer - rights - guarantees / repair - replace - refund http : / / www . abc . net . au / tv / the checkout / clips / ? play = checkou t_01_03_returninggoods . mp4 User # 175514 94 posts Randomz whrl . pl / RdEHDV posted 2013 - Jul - 20 , 6 : 27 pm AEST edited 2013 - Jul - 20 , 6 : 33 pm AEST I have just joined the ranks of people disappointed by Kogan . After buying a Samsung Note 2 and Note 10.1 from them , I asked about smaller physical chargers as the supplied o ' seas charger and adapter is way to big to fit into a dual power point with something else plugged in . They replied to get a 5 volt 2 amp charger , and just my luck they advertised that very product in the next couple of days . I bought the 3 pack of chargers , but on receiving them found that they are n ' t capable of 2 amps at all . as the Note 10.1 refuses to charge and displays a red X instead . This is a known issue for chargers that ca n ' t supply the 2 amps that the Note 10.1 requires . After asking for replacement or refund , I have been told to fill out a form , pay for them to be returned and wait until they decide to process a refund . Why should I have to pay to return what is obviously a sub - standard product which is neither as advertised nor fit for the purpose for which it was sold ? All I can say is do n ' t buy a Kogan branded product as they scrape the bottom of the reject barrel in order to maximize their profits , and do n ' t expect fair and reasonable dealings if you have a problem . User # 175514 94 posts Randomz whrl . pl / RdENc7 posted 2013 - Jul - 22 , 2 : 39 pm AEST Kogan are now saying that if I return under their 14 day money back guarantee , then I have to pay as the goods are n ' t deemed to be faulty . Well hello , they are advertised and sold as being 2 amp chargers but they ca n ' t put out 2 amps , so is that faulty or just misleading advertising ? whrl . pl / RdE0iJ posted 2013 - Jul - 25 , 3 : 51 pm AEST Randomz writes . . . After asking for replacement or refund , I have been told to fill out a form , pay for them to be returned and wait until they decide to process a refund . And thats the extent of your issue ? And you couldnt get 2 power plugs in to a double adaptor at once ? I would suggest Harvey Norman is a much much better place for you to shop . Pay the extra $ 300 retail and charge yourself silly . User # 58972 514 posts Dale . C whrl . pl / RdE0jV posted 2013 - Jul - 25 , 3 : 56 pm AEST Randomz writes . . . Kogan are now saying that if I return under their 14 day money back guarantee , then I have to pay as the goods are n ' t deemed to be faulty . Well hello , they are advertised and sold as being 2 amp chargers but they ca n ' t put out 2 amps , so is that faulty or just misleading advertising ? Easy , just do a credit card charge back on them . Document everything wrong including Kogans replies and you ' ll find your credit card company a lot of the time are happy to do a charge back . User # 523715 124 posts johnjnr whrl . pl / RdGHAC posted 2013 - Aug - 22 , 1 : 43 pm AEST Bought headphones last night from them , regret getting them now , since they were 300 dollars . Ask if I could cancel the order , but they put it on hold , and said I could get store credit . . So this 14 day money back guarantee means you will only get store credit ? Or could you actually get a full refund ? User # 96678 6675 posts bolinao whrl . pl / RdGHVe posted 2013 - Aug - 22 , 2 : 54 pm AEST johnjnr writes . . . Bought headphones last night from them , regret getting them now , since they were 300 dollars . What ones were they ? johnjnr writes . . . So this 14 day money back guarantee means you will only get store credit ? Or could you actually get a full refund ? Money back should mean money back , not a store credit . . User # 523715 124 posts johnjnr whrl . pl / RdGIPE posted 2013 - Aug - 22 , 6 : 49 pm AEST Alternatively we can issue a store credit for your purchase , which can use this on a future order from www . kogan . com [ 1 ] . Please let us know how you would like to proceed . I asked for a refund and thats what they said . Guess I ' ll return it when I end up getting the headphones . It wouldve been so much easier if they just gave me a refund . . whrl . pl / RdGIRe posted 2013 - Aug - 22 , 6 : 57 pm AEST Got sennheiser hd 598 User # 65261 5825 posts Splatter splatter ! whrl . pl / RdGJ0I posted 2013 - Aug - 23 , 6 : 00 am AEST Note to self , never start a business in Australia . . . User # 135234 1514 posts Cavalerra whrl . pl / RdGJ3x posted 2013 - Aug - 23 , 7 : 11 am AEST I ' ve bought like 4 items from Kogan . I got my Samsung Note 2 back when it was new , I got 2 Nexus 7 ' s for my family , and I got my first phone HTC HD2 from them too . I ' ve never had any issues or problems , never had to make returns . User # 55749 23902 posts sail whrl . pl / RdGKo6 posted 2013 - Aug - 23 , 9 : 53 am AEST You can not blame Kogan because you changed your mind . Had there been a legitimate problem a cash refund would be required but I think you are lucky getting a store credit due to changing your mind . LOL Try that on eBay ! User # 51925 21340 posts highswr whrl . pl / RdGKO5 posted 2013 - Aug - 23 , 11 : 27 am AEST I asked for a refund and thats what they said . But you just changed you mind , lucky to get that , as you a entitled to nothing . User # 34033 1269 posts sawasdi whrl . pl / RdGK9z posted 2013 - Aug - 23 , 12 : 41 pm AEST Bought their kettle came yesterday . Initially had trouble getting it to go , need to tap the keys instead of pressing . Probably boiled 4 lots of water , it really is an extended boiling of water . The one I was using once the water starts to boil it stops . Now the kettle does n ' t respond at all . Clicking at the base . Anyway sent them an email via their help page . Lets see how it goes . Incidentally I have had a good run with them . Bought a coffee machine probably User # 285000 974 posts FreddyP whrl . pl / RdGLkJ posted 2013 - Aug - 23 , 1 : 28 pm AEST I bought one of their 42 " TVs . It was faulty when it arrived , so I contacted them , got the return authorisation and all went well . It was replaced without any problems . Yes , it was a little bit of stuffing around on my part , but it happens , as they say , and I ca n ' t fault Kogan ' s actions . Quality control – or the lack of it – is one of the prices we pay for getting stuff cheap . User # 8006 12982 posts Ben M whrl . pl / RdGMZq posted 2013 - Aug - 23 , 8 : 09 pm AEST Do Kogan still notify customers via email the expected delivery date ? User # 34033 1269 posts sawasdi whrl . pl / RdGN8l posted 2013 - Aug - 24 , 9 : 51 am AEST FreddyP writes . . . so I contacted them , got the return authorisation and all went well . It How long did it take to get this authorisation . I sent them the online email yesterday morning . whrl . pl / RdGO0v posted 2013 - Aug - 24 , 3 : 46 pm AEST My mistake , I typed in kogan whirlpool into google and I clicked on the first thread . . I didnt even look at the thread title . Got no problems with kogan . Getting a refund also . Which is good , didnt think I would get it . User # 297598 45 posts Stiles_85 whrl . pl / RdKQYw posted 2013 - Oct - 27 , 6 : 22 pm AEST The kettle isnt hard to use . . at all , I have one and its fine . . It long / continuously boils if you set it to 100 degrees . . as it should . Learn how to use something before complaining about it . User # 176301 741 posts arctic_cyclone whrl . pl / RdLzvz posted 2013 - Nov - 7 , 4 : 09 pm AEST Just adding our experience . Ordered a TV , and a tracking number was received in email within days . Then no progress . Upon calling Toll iPec , they said that the item was not dispatched at all . Hence there is no progress . Emailed Kogan about it , and they replied with the same tracking number that was originally given . A few days later Paypal dispute was lodged where they messaged the same tracking number and the fact that they lodged a file with Toll iPec . Nothing further in a few days , the Tracking code still showing the same info as it did the first day . We called Paypal , and they said they will allow 48 hours for Kogan to respond . Nothing . We got the money back . Over a month of run around . Not that this happened the first time , once we had to do paypal dispute for a phone . But other times , things arrived in time , and satisfactory transactions . What makes me wonder is if Kogan is a roll of dice , odd no item , even you get it . And why would they do such to begin with ? The TV was Kogan branded . User # 359528 2708 posts User ID : 359528 whrl . pl / RdLzJ8 posted 2013 - Nov - 7 , 5 : 27 pm AEST I ' m still waiting for Kogan to ship a DSLR that was ordered a week ago . User # 359528 2708 posts User ID : 359528 whrl . pl / RdLIz8 posted 2013 - Nov - 10 , 1 : 37 pm AEST Display Name writes . . . I ' m still waiting for Kogan to ship a DSLR that was ordered a week ago . Item is on its way ; ) User # 65134 8026 posts Messiah whrl . pl / RdMcwh posted 2013 - Nov - 18 , 9 : 04 am AEST Used Kogan for the first time a few weeks ago , not very happy with their service . Ordered an iPhone for my girlfriend and they keep delaying the order . Just received another email from them this morning saying that it ' s going to be delayed another week . E - mailed them back saying cancel the order and I ' ll buy from somewhere else . They replied saying they ' ve halted the order but as the order is still being processed , a refund may not be possible . Piss off it is n ' t possible . If they try to charge my Paypal account I ' ll be disputing that right away . User # 391600 22 posts mongaxe79 whrl . pl / RdMdqg posted 2013 - Nov - 18 , 12 : 43 pm AEST Messiah writes . . . Used Kogan for the first time a few weeks ago , not very happy with their service . Ordered an iPhone for my girlfriend and they keep delaying the order . Just curious as to what model you ordered and when ? As I have tried Kogan for the first time last week and ordered an iphone 5c in white last Monday and today received a delay notice from Kogan as well . This may be the first and last time I purchase anything from Kogan . If I get another delay notice I would be cancelling the order anyways . . . . .lets see how things go . User # 65134 8026 posts Messiah whrl . pl / RdMgAw posted 2013 - Nov - 19 , 9 : 09 am AEST mongaxe79 writes . . . Just curious as to what model you ordered and when ? Iphone 4s around 2 weeks ago . Realise they are a bit harder to get nowadays but the site said they had them in stock . Still waiting to hear back from Kogan if my order has been cancelled yet , not happy . whrl . pl / RdMl7N posted 2013 - Nov - 20 , 2 : 30 pm AEST Looks like it ' s now being delivered according to Kogan . Hopefully does n ' t take another 3 weeks just to get here . Learnt my lesson after this order , wo n ' t be dealing with them again . User # 391600 mongaxe79 whrl . pl / RdMrqI posted 2013 - Nov - 21 , 4 : 52 pm AEST Messiah writes . . . Looks like it ' s now being delivered according to Kogan . Best of luck with that . Funny that , I also got a email saying that my orders been shipped . . . . . looking at the tracking number through toll . . . . .mines been in " HK – Hong Kong . Undeliverable : Delayed – Linehaul Schedule " . . . . for the last 2 days . No idea why it has " Undeliverable " at the beginning though . User # 286575 8 posts hpw12 whrl . pl / RdMvr6 posted 2013 - Nov - 22 , 7 : 55 am AEST Off - topic for this issue but relates to an earlier post . I have to express my disgust with the continued volume of SPAM that I am receiving from Kogan . I bought one sub - $ 20 product from them ( which was n ' t that good but meh ) . Then the SPAM started . Seriously over the past two months ( after unsubscribing of course ) I have spoken with at least 3 people on their helpdesk , received two ticketed case numbers , multiple assurances that the SPAM would stop but STILL it comes whrl . pl / RdMxlC posted 2013 - Nov - 22 , 2 : 19 pm AEST mongaxe79 writes . . . Best of luck with that . Surprisingly it showed up today , so only took a couple of days from the shipment e - mail . Still wo n ' t be doing any further business with them though . Their automated replies and the fact that they had issues cancelling my order means I wo n ' t be using them again . User # 39499 4786 posts zzyss whrl . pl / RdMGbe posted 2013 - Nov - 25 , 8 : 56 am AEST edited 2013 - Nov - 25 , 9 : 01 am AEST Ordered an iPad mini cover off a deal posted on OzBargain , and no surprises , the thing is missing . Been a couple of weeks now and it has n ' t arrived . No tracking code since it was sent via Australia Post . Even worse , support on the Kogan website is basically nonexistent . The only way to get in touch with them is to send through a sales enquiry – there is no after sales support option . I ' m glad I paid via Paypal . Will have to file a Paypal dispute , I think . hpw12 writes . . . Off - topic for this issue but relates to an earlier post . I have to express my disgust with the continued volume of SPAM that I am receiving from Kogan . This . Every unsubscribe link simply removes you from that particular list . Not exactly helpful when they use a new list for every single campaign . I ' m sure it must be in breach of the spam act . User # 601794 42 posts getusedtoit whrl . pl / RdMJyA posted 2013 - Nov - 26 , 1 : 47 am AEST The worlds worst company . I really feel bad for the Australian industry with this guy running the shots . Some service would be nice ! And products that do n ' t suck . . . whrl . pl / RdMJMH posted 2013 - Nov - 26 , 7 : 36 am AEST getusedtoit writes . . . The worlds worst company . I really feel bad for the Australian industry with this guy running the shots . Some service would be nice ! And products that do n ' t suck . . . 8 posts to your name and 8 posts bagging kogan in 5 different threads . Did you sign up to do anything bar post anti kogan spam ? User # 39499 4786 posts zzyss whrl . pl / RdMJTB posted 2013 - Nov - 26 , 8 : 09 am AEST Prorata writes . . . 8 posts to your name and 8 posts bagging kogan in 5 different threads . Did you sign up to do anything bar post anti kogan spam ? Get used to it . Hahaha . . . ( his username ) Meanwhile , got an e - mail reply from Kogan saying that postage should take 5 - 7 business days and to wait until 14 days before hassling them again . Problem is , it ' s been more than that already . Thanks for the canned response , Kogan ! whrl . pl / RdMJYL posted 2013 - Nov - 26 , 8 : 32 am AEST Prorata writes . . . Could be this Goose again . . . . kogan sucks ass ( Mods changed it ) User 601169 whrl . pl / RdMLQV posted 2013 - Nov - 26 , 3 : 56 pm AEST Make that 6 threads and 15 posts now . LOL User # 388182 13296 posts Kalak whrl . pl / RdML4G posted 2013 - Nov - 26 , 4 : 47 pm AEST We have a number of Kogan TVs in the house , and a Kogan wireless camera , and all work great . Ca n ' t complain at all . Also ca n ' t complain about after - sales service . They replaced one of the TVs due to a fault and a few months later another TV turned up on the doorstep , with the same reference . User # 574415 102 posts SpruceMoose whrl . pl / RdMMCO posted 2013 - Nov - 26 , 7 : 25 pm AEST getusedtoit writes . . . Some service would be nice ! Do you want to pay higher prices for this service you require ? User # 601794 42 posts getusedtoit whrl . pl / RdMVAP posted 2013 - Nov - 28 , 3 : 16 pm AEST Of course , service is always great when something goes wrong . Technology always has it ' s limits . So from Kogan you can expect those problems to be many and varied . User # 277401 5501 posts julian - h whrl . pl / RdMV7L posted 2013 - Nov - 28 , 5 : 31 pm AEST @ getusedtoit : You are clearly on a one - man Whirlpool campaign to bag any and every Kogan product . That ' s fine – you ' re every bit as entitled as the rest of us to your opinions . You claim to have purchased quite a few Kogan products , of varying categories , and they are all rubbish , apparently . I ca n ' t help wondering – just how many Kogan products have you bought , and how long did it take you to work out that you were pouring good money after bad ? For the record , I have bought 2 x Kogan Smart TVs , 2 x DAB+ radios , a couple of early Agora Android tablets , an Android smart - TV box , and a few other odds and ends . I have had no real problems with any of them , and I would rate them all as fair - to good - value for money . ( I ca n ' t comment on the after - sales service , as I have no need to call upon it . ) As in most things , you get what you pay for , and the Kogan products I bought were generally no better , but certainly no worse , than similarly priced Chinese products from other sources . In particular , I consider the TVs and DAB+ radios that I bought be excellent value for money – great performers for the price , and absolutely no problems with any of them . whrl . pl / RdMXPk posted 2013 - Nov - 29 , 7 : 54 am AEST So it turns out that the iPad mini cover I ordered ( the $ 6 one from the OzBargain deal ) turns out to be out of stock , so they ca n ' t replace the one that never arrived . What was their solution ? Offered me a voucher . Riiiiight . How about a refund ? Ca n ' t believe that I have to actually ask for it . User # 14590 2986 posts Kraxonator whrl . pl / RdNiZ6 posted 2013 - Dec - 5 , 2 : 05 pm AEST Whats the deal with Freight protection ? If an item gets damaged in the post , why should i have to pay anything to protect it . I ' d assume I pay for the item i receive it , if it gets damaged in the post its Kogans / Aus Post issue to deal with . User # 385938 4564 posts TheBlackRattie whrl . pl / RdNj1B posted 2013 - Dec - 5 , 6 : 24 pm AEST I ' ve bought a ton of Kogan stuff , and I love them . Always got great service and prices . User # 259810 333 posts Aar0n whrl . pl / RdOpb7 posted 2013 - Dec - 26 , 9 : 37 am AEST edited 2013 - Dec - 26 , 10 : 30 am AEST Hey guys , I bought one of their Kogan HD Agoras on the 1st of Decemeber as a pre - sale to ship on the 18th of Decemeber . I still have yet not receieved a shipping dispatch confirmation / tracking details email which comes through when it is done so . I have also sent 3 emails now and no response to them either . Is this standard for Kogan ? Should I just sit and wait for them to reply to my emails or hope they dispatch it sometime soon ? EDIT : Weirdly enough about 30 minutes after this post I had a reply ! " We can confirm that your order has been processed for dispatch . We are currently awaiting tracking information from the courier , and apologise for the slight delay . Your tracking is expected to be sent to you shortly , and we are sure that you will be delighted with your product when it arrives . " Fair enough if it was sent to them now around Christmas – everyone deserves a break : ) User # 216159 134 posts liangb whrl . pl / RdPrqV posted 2014 - Jan - 15 , 9 : 45 am AEST zzyss , My $ 6 iPad mini cover is faulty . I got $ 2 . XX refund from Kogan . They said this is the original price and ca n ' t refund more and that it was never $ 6 . That small amount of money is no big deal but business moral is . zzyss writes . . . How about a refund ? Ca n ' t believe that I have to actually ask for it . User # 39833 46 posts dougyboy whrl . pl / RdQojh posted 2014 - Jan - 31 , 12 : 46 pm AEST edited 2014 - Jan - 31 , 1 : 05 pm AEST Just placed an order for a Samsung S4 mini LTE phone on Kogan . Site quotes $ 421.99 + postage and I purchase it with my credit card . Am promptly presented with a screen that asks me to check my bank account and tell them how much they have charged me ( apparently a security measure ) . Checked my bank account online which shows uncollected funds show as $ 441.80 . Purchase price + delivery I guess , punch it into the screen 3 times & get locked out . Sent an email explaining what happened & asking for help . Got a reply that parrots their process and told to check my bank account ( obviously did n ' t read my email which explains that I had ) . I call them and they tell me the amount of $ 441.80 is wrong & they need to ask me to call my bank ! I tell them to cancel the order and refund the transaction immediately . Credit card security is important but can be handled is much less annoying ways & coupled that with the moronic customer service Kogan can go to H # # l . Wonder which figure I ' ll be refunded ? User # 27775 2120 posts phantompisser whrl . pl / RdQVc4 posted 2014 - Feb - 9 , 12 : 26 pm AEST Friend bought a 55 " TV from these guys and it is woefull . Tinny sound , flickery 3d , light bleed and terrible motion shudder . The light bleed is the dead giveaway that this is a dodgey pile of nothing very good . It was cheap but bad and cheap . I ' ve seen much better no name brand sets from jb ' s etc for only a fraction more money . User # 291230 35 posts jonnymcg whrl . pl / RdRBCn posted 2014 - Feb - 20 , 4 : 19 pm AEST Ive experienced pretty crap products too . 26 " lcd with pvr built in , broke after 18 months . Parents bought a coffee machine , first one broke after 5 months and the replacement broke a couple of months after the warranty expired . I would n ' t buy from these guys again even if they were half the price . . . their customer support is just as bad too . .steer clear people . . . User # 54136 9594 posts Chuck Fetch whrl . pl / RdRBFi posted 2014 - Feb - 20 , 4 : 33 pm AEST Kraxonator writes . . . Whats the deal with Freight protection ? If an item gets damaged in the post , why should i have to pay anything to protect it . I ' d assume I pay for the item i receive it , if it gets damaged in the post its Kogans / Aus Post issue to deal with . I wonder about this too . . Lots of suppliers do it . The supplier should pack the thing securely and the courier should be responsible for the safe handling . Any anomalies should be handled by either with a minimum of delay . It should NEVER be the responsibility of the customer to suffer sorting it out but this is how they all operate these days . . . . . . . . slaps forehead ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! User # 114095 29529 posts Where ' s my biscuits ? whrl . pl / RdREef posted 2014 - Feb - 21 , 11 : 54 am AEST I ordered two USB keys on Monday night and they said 2 - 5 days delivery via Aus Post . So fingers crossed that they arrive by Monday . . . . User # 446827 3296 posts Storm whrl . pl / RdRVoJ posted 2014 - Feb - 25 , 11 : 41 pm AEST http : / / www . kogan . com / au / blog / kogan - offers - free - hdmi - cables - to - cut - the - cable - con / http : / / www . kogan . com / au / buy / premium - 12m - gold - plated - hdmi - cable / Is it just me , or is there a conflicting message here ? : P User # 114095 29529 posts Where ' s my biscuits ? whrl . pl / RdRVqT posted 2014 - Feb - 26 , 12 : 07 am AEST UPDATE : The very next day after I had written my post my USB keys arrived . They ' re metal . I think aluminum or brass and shaped like bullets . Keychain on one end , and you unscrew it into half to reveal the USB connector . It being the weekend that was Monday that my stuff arrived . User # 285864 25 posts oneworld whrl . pl / RdTkHB posted 2014 - Mar - 5 , 10 : 26 am AEST I ordered a Google Nexus 10 tablet from Kogan 10 days ago . This is the first time I ordered a product from Kogan . So far no delivery , no information and therefore not a good experience . In hindsight , I would have been better off paying a bit more and picking it up from a store . I would have been using my tablet full on by now . I contacted Kogan by email . The reply seemed to be just a replica of the standard order email saying that delivery would arrive beween 5 - 7 I would say unless you are really bent on savings $ 50 - $ 100 , do not buy from Kogan . Not sure if the small savings are worth the botheration . By the way does anyone have any clue what Kogan contact number is . Some people have said that they called them . User # 297403 6502 posts DoubleUTF whrl . pl / RdTkJr posted 2014 - Mar - 5 , 10 : 37 am AEST oneworld writes . . . By the way does anyone have any clue what Kogan contact number is . Some people have said that they called them . http : / / www . kogan . com / au / contact - us / 1300 304 292 It took me less than 5 seconds to find it . User # 285864 25 posts oneworld whrl . pl / RdTkM7 posted 2014 - Mar - 5 , 10 : 55 am AEST Thanks Konfuzion . I must have missed it ( the phone number ) on their website . Its embarassing . Just been on the phone . I have been told that it is more likely that the delivery will be sometime next week . So more wait . . . User # 68780 3387 posts Treadders whrl . pl / Rd03Wl posted 2014 - Jun - 30 , 2 : 37 pm AEST What ' s the deal with the optional " Freight Protection " from Kogan ? Apparently it protects any loss or damage in transit . However I thought that would be covered just normally . . . .or am I wrong ? Are Kogan just trying to make an extra $ 2 out of me ? Or is it something ' legit ' ? User # 605800 1731 posts melbournefan whrl . pl / Rd05zC posted 2014 - Jun - 30 , 10 : 53 pm AEST Ordered a Camera from kogan came after 3 days it said ' HD ' it was n ' t my pc antivirus picked it up rang them fixed emailed a ' fresh ' copy worked one day i put a SD card in it and it will not click in Rang them up After 3 days they gave me a refund and told me to ' safely dispose it I will buy from them again but got a JVC After that the service is very good Archive View Return to standard view | [
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http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1952143 | Forums Archive Home Average hot water temp Archive View Return to standard view last updated – posted 2012 - Jul - 26 , 10 : 27 pm AEST User # 28286 10280 posts ziggyblur Whirlpool Forums Addict reference : whrl . pl / Rdf0i7 posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 3 : 04 pm AEST O.P . We ’ re renting a townhouse where the hot water is borderline lukewarm . I ’ m in Canberra and it gets to - 5C at night and early morning < 8am . Let ’ s just say taking a shower at 7am before work is not a pleasant experience . We take showers without mixing hot with cold at all . We run the hot on its own . Anyway , told the real estate agent . Not surprisingly , they were pretty sceptical and mentioned that the temp is acceptable and does not need to be fixed . My question is … is there a legal definition of what hot water is supposed to be ? Googling reveals 50C is typical , but unless I can find an authoritative source I ’ m afraid I ’ ll be forced to take showers early evenings instead . User # 355481 494 posts LTurner Forum Regular reference : whrl . pl / Rdf0nt posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 3 : 21 pm AEST ziggyboy writes . . . Googling reveals 50C is typical People have showers in 50 degree water ? I would ' ve said 45 max ( based on experience with temperature - controlled system set at 42 – it was easily hot enough ) . As for a legal definition – I doubt there is one . User # 96625 7590 posts With Cheese Whirlpool Forums Addict whrl . pl / Rdf0oX posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 3 : 27 pm AEST It depends on the type of unit . If it is a storage system ( ie a tank ) then the temperature should be much higher ( over 60 I think ) to prevent bacteria from growing . If it is an instant system without a controller they are usually set to 50 degrees and you mix it with cold water . If it is an instant system with a controller I would set it somewhere between 39 and 43 degrees according to personal preference . Mine is set to 42 degrees which gives very steamy hot showers . User # 276256 2032 posts Failed . That display whrl . pl / Rdf0rg posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 3 : 37 pm AEST what sort of water heating are you using ? instant or storage ? solar , gas or electric ? User # 28286 10280 posts ziggyblur whrl . pl / Rdf0vP posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 3 : 46 pm AEST O.P . It ' s a gas water system that sits outside at the back of the house . Steamy showers ? I wish . No steam comes out of the shower at all . User # 96625 7590 posts With Cheese whrl . pl / Rdf0xa posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 3 : 49 pm AEST ziggyboy writes . . . It ' s a gas water system that sits outside at the back of the house . Is it a big tank or a box that fires up when the water runs ? whrl . pl / Rdf0yH posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 3 : 55 pm AEST With Cheese writes . . . Is it a big tank or a box that fires up when the water runs ? It ' s a big tank . When we moved in we had to ignite the fire so it heats up the water . whrl . pl / Rdf0ED posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 4 : 18 pm AEST It ' s a big tank . Then the water should be at least 60 degrees ( ideally between 60 and 65 degrees ) or it is at risk of harbouring Legionnaires disease . I would contact the landlord again and say that it does not meet health and safety standards . User # 180727 2274 posts plugger2 whrl . pl / Rdf0GJ posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 4 : 28 pm AEST edited 2012 - Jul - 20 , 4 : 32 pm AEST Legally , the HWS has to maintain a _minimum_ temp of 60 * C for health reasons . Below that , breeding bacteria like legionella can become a problem . If your HWS is n ' t maintaining at least 60 * C , it is a health and legal issue to get it fixed . The problem may not be the HWS service , but rather the tempering valve ( assuming you have one of these installed . ) These automatically mix cold water in with the hot before it gets to the taps , to ensure the water is below scalding temperature , typically about 40 * C or so . 40 * C should still be plenty warm for a shower , though . The problem w / tempering valves is that they fail after about 5 years , and they fail to cold water ( safety design ) . And you ( legally ) need a plumber to replace them . ( I know , sounds like an employment creation scheme to ensure plumbers get to retire early , but that ' s a different discussion . . . ) So get a thermometer out and test the temp at the shower head . Put it the RE that a plumber needs to be called in case the HWS temp is below the legal minimum of 60 * C , or the tempering valve needs replacing ( the RE may be able to tell you when the tempering valve was last replaced by consulting their extensive records . Or not , LOL . ) Good luck . User # 100066 4780 posts . : IM : . whrl . pl / Rdf0L0 posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 4 : 48 pm AEST I have a temperature controlled instant system . In the summer I shower at 38c , winter 42c . Anything hotter than that will burn me . When I ' m washing the dishes I do put it up to 50c occasionally . Most of the time I forget . . . No issues so far . User # 57718 918 posts Roy Hobbs Whirlpool Enthusiast whrl . pl / Rdf1on posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 7 : 39 pm AEST plugger2 writes . . . Legally , the HWS has to maintain a _minimum_ temp of 60 * C for health reasons . I doubt it otherwise virtually every brand new off the shelf instantaneous gas HWS is illegal . They have a 50 ° C maximum temp . Besides that a shower 60 ° C would be way too hot for most people . Ours is set between 42 - 45 ° C ( based on the water temp display on the inst gas HWS I ' ve been using for the past 5 - 6 years ) . User # 180727 2274 posts plugger2 whrl . pl / Rdf1xz posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 13 pm AEST Roy Hobbs writes . . . I doubt it otherwise virtually every brand new off the shelf instantaneous gas HWS is illegal . They have a 50 ° C maximum temp . This is for storage HWS , not instantaneous . Besides that a shower 60 ° C would be way too hot for most people . That ' s why storage HWS have tempering valves . It is illegal for the water coming out of the tap or showerhead to be this hot , but it has to be stored at this temp to prevent bacterial problems . User # 127777 2534 posts dj007 whrl . pl / Rdf1CR posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 39 pm AEST Not to sure about bacteria problems ; most new homes hws would therefore be " illegal " , as a solar hw storage unit sometimes totally cold feeds a 50c ihws , lots of people would be having health issues . I ' d think the main reason ihws is not 60c is it take a lot more gas to rise water temp 10c over a rated 20l / min for example . whrl . pl / Rdf1Ga posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 55 pm AEST look it up . google , and all that . hint : solar storage systems have to have tempering valves as well . User # 412014 357 posts XLS Forum Regular whrl . pl / Rdf1Jd posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 9 : 08 pm AEST Roy Hobbs writes . . . Wrong , they are controlled via a internal ( sometimes external depending on model age ) tempering valve still . They also are not storing water as opposed to a storage tank dj007 writes . . . Not to sure about bacteria problems ; most new homes hws would therefore be " illegal " , as a solar hw storage unit sometimes totally cold feeds a 50c ihws , lots of people would be having health issues . I ' d think the main reason ihws is not 60c is it take a lot more gas to rise water temp 10c over a rated 20l / min for example . As above , tempering valves are also installed on solar systems and must be stored at 60c + User # 88720 1844 posts JCTW Whirlpool Enthusiast whrl . pl / Rdf1KT posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 9 : 18 pm AEST It ' s a big tank . When we moved in we had to ignite the fire so it heats up the water . I may be off track , but when you lit it , did you notice a little knob with either a flame or increasing triangle on it to turn the gas flow up ? User # 80028 2719 posts hoi polloi whrl . pl / Rdf1Mt posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 9 : 24 pm AEST If it ' s a gas storage system then just turn the thermostat up . . . The previous resident probably had it turned down to save money . . . User # 56345 1694 posts zzzzrjen whrl . pl / Rdf11T posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 10 : 27 pm AEST Have a look and see if it has a tempering valve . If it has , turn on the shower ( you hav n ' t mentioned how hot the water is at the kitchen sink by the way ) . Go to the tempering valve and put one hand around the pipe each side of that valve . If you feel a major difference in temp . It ' s looking like a tempering valve issue . If the kitchen sink hot water is good , then it sounds more like a lack of pipe lagging ( insulation ) Yes , the water in the storage tank is required to be a minimum of 60C , that does n ' t mean that water delivers hot though and it ' s delivery that ' s the issue here . In my limited experience hot water system temps . can not be turned down lower than 60C , the thermostat has a physical block below that point . User # 6139 21386 posts Mark . . . . . . Whirlpool Alumni whrl . pl / Rdf2gG posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 11 : 52 pm AEST We set our instant to 40 in winter and 37 in Summer Brisbane ! whrl . pl / Rdf2g9 posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 11 : 56 pm AEST Yes that ' s the first thing we checked . The temp is all the way up to max . Kitchen and shower temps are the same btw . User # 57718 918 posts Roy Hobbs whrl . pl / Rdf2io posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 12 : 05 am AEST plugger2 writes . . . That ' s why storage HWS have tempering valves . It is illegal for the water coming out of the tap or showerhead to be this hot , but it has to be stored at this temp to prevent bacterial problems . That makes sense , cheers . User # 80028 2719 posts hoi polloi whrl . pl / Rdf2nl posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 12 : 52 am AEST That ' s why storage HWS have tempering valves . It is illegal for the water coming out of the tap or showerhead to be this hot . . . Is this a recent thing ? My HWS is scalding hot if I turn it up . Guessing it ' s 80 ' s vintage . . . User # 127777 2534 posts dj007 whrl . pl / Rdf2EC posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 8 : 07 am AEST LiquidTech writes . . . As above , tempering valves are also installed on solar systems and must be stored at 60c + Okay but how many solar storage systems actually get that hot during winter for example ? Mine does not , lucky to get to 30c , and overnight it actually pumps icy water into the tank ! Therefore the need to " boost " the water to 50c via a IHWS . My valve is set to 50c , therefore during winter is never gets activated . Next time it gets to anywhere near 60c will be November . My and many other tanks " should " be swarming with germs right about now . : ) User # 12865 32411 posts dddp whrl . pl / Rdf3bh posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 12 : 13 pm AEST The temp is all the way up to max . sounds like there ' s a tempering valve in the system for sure . It could be set to a temp that prevents scolding on kids as a safety feature measure the actual temp of the water to see what it is then go from there – perhaps the valve can be set to a higher control temperature by some means whrl . pl / Rdf3fk posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 12 : 38 pm AEST hoi polloi writes . . . Is this a recent thing ? Yes , only became mandatory with new HWS installs in last few years . Actually , the tempering valve is only mandatory if the water temp at the tap is above a certain temp , but a plumber will typically want to install one anyway – more money , less liability , and probably less work . You might have to argue a bit if you do n ' t want one installed ( I ' m happily without one because my hot water is within legal temp at the taps even without one . ) The thing I do n ' t like about them is they are an ongoing expense and inconvenience when they fail . And they are only designed to have about a 5 year working life before they do inevitably fail , which is rather poor , I think . At least for the customer . You can opt for thermostatic mixing valves that are rebuildable from kits , last longer between rebuilds , but are significantly dearer to purchase initially . May be better value if you factor in having to call out a plumber every 5 years to replace a standard tempering valve — you ' d have to check the prices and do the arithmetic . I did n ' t quite get that far when doing my most recent HWS install , once I realised I was off the hook . : - ) User # 12865 32411 posts dddp whrl . pl / Rdf3rq posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 1 : 51 pm AEST every 5 years to replace a standard tempering valve the TP or PT valve ( which is n ' t a tempering valve ) is supposed to be replaced every 5rs – and so is the anode – by a plumber too the PT valve is around the $ 80 mark and a universal anode is around $ 70 – i asked a plumber nad he said about 1 hour to do both , so total of about $ 250 . Not including tempering valve if your system has one – the price of these is about the same as the PT valve , maybe a litle more . Bunnings sell all the valves , maybe the anodes too i ' m not sure User # 464682 4038 posts crunchyone whrl . pl / Rdf6g4 posted 2012 - Jul - 22 , 1 : 52 pm AEST i have gas hot water storage and its set to 60c . . .and i can shower and bath in it . Not before work though , otherwise i rock up looking like a lobster . I can tolerate high heat easily . My thermo in my brain is probably bust though . User # 52449 1753 posts SimonBl whrl . pl / Rdf6Pl posted 2012 - Jul - 22 , 5 : 15 pm AEST OMG , WP is so helpful . I moved into a relatively new house a month ago and have the hot water turned up to the max for showers and it ' s not hot enough . I ' ve now just discovered , via this thread , that I have a valve that pre - mixes cold water to all outlets – in my case , a ' Reliance Heatguard 15 ' . No wonder my adjusting of the temp at the heater had no effect ! What a nanny world we live in . Now I will have to pay to get a plumber in to adjust it ? Sheez . . . whrl . pl / Rdf66r posted 2012 - Jul - 22 , 6 : 33 pm AEST SimonBl writes . . . What a nanny world we live in . have to agree with you there – you could perhaps understand it for taps little kids can get to but not for all the taps in the house ! Now I will have to pay to get a plumber in to adjust it ? do n ' t know if all are adjustable , i think some ( maybe all ) are limited to 55c max . Some have special keys that prevent tampering – there might be a cap of some sort on your valve , see if you can remove it to see what ' s underneath . Maybe you can buy the key from a plumbing supplies place and adjust it yourself User # 52449 1753 posts SimonBl whrl . pl / Rdf7pD posted 2012 - Jul - 22 , 8 : 16 pm AEST dddp writes . . . have to agree with you there – you could perhaps understand it for taps little kids can get to but not for all the taps in the house ! I do n ' t have a problem with it on certain taps , but for the whole goddam house ? That ' s ridiculous . do n ' t know if all are adjustable , i think some ( maybe all ) are limited to 55c max . Some have special keys that prevent tampering – there might be a cap of some sort on your valve , see if you can remove it to see what ' s underneath . Maybe you can buy the key from a plumbing supplies place and adjust it yourself This one has a blue plastic cap on it with a little ' key ' like hole . I ' d be reluctant to try to get it off as I suspect it would be easily broken : - ( . I ' ll try and find some details of the key . . . User # 364634 2757 posts timdot whrl . pl / RdgaLT posted 2012 - Jul - 23 , 6 : 06 pm AEST if you pull the plastic cap off the tempering valve you will see a raised section that is more than likely a triangle . that triangle is the adjustment for the tempering valve . you obviously dont have the key but you can use a pair of pliers to turn the triangle all the way around . if you do this and the water is stone cold then go and turn it the other way . that will give you the maximum hot water that that valve can output . then put the plastic cap back on . dont worry you cant do any damage or cause a water leak SimonBl writes . . . What a nanny world we live in . Now I will have to pay to get a plumber in to adjust it ? Sheez . . . User # 364634 2757 posts timdot whrl . pl / RdgaNk posted 2012 - Jul - 23 , 6 : 12 pm AEST I do n ' t have a problem with it on certain taps , but for the whole goddam house ? That ' s ridiculous unfortunately its easier and much much much cheaper to put the tempering valve at the hot water heater . its only the bathroom taps that need to be reduced to protect from scaulding . the kitchen and laundry arent affected by law . the problem is to keep the kitchen and laundry at the higher temperature a seperate hot water line will need to be run . if you were to build a new house this is really easy , but in an existing house unless you want major renovations its not . so instead of untold $ 1000 ' s it cost a couple of hundred whrl . pl / RdgaOO posted 2012 - Jul - 23 , 6 : 20 pm AEST You can opt for thermostatic mixing valves that are rebuildable from kits , last longer between rebuilds , but are significantly dearer to purchase initially . May be better value if you factor in having to call out a plumber every 5 years to replace a standard tempering valve — you ' d have to check the prices and do the arithmetic . I did n ' t quite get that far when doing my most recent HWS install , once I realised I was off the hook . : - ) good advice . put a thermostatic mixing valve in that costs quite a few hundred dollars and by law needs to be serviced every year by a tmv licensed plumber . not to mention if you have a more than one bathroom you will need more than one tmv and the fact you will end up with an ugly stainless steel box in every room they are fitted in to allow for servicing . oh i also forgot that you need to keep a regular temperature check diary ( from memory weekly ) by law also and that must be done with an approppriate digital thermometer whrl . pl / RdgbqR posted 2012 - Jul - 23 , 8 : 46 pm AEST Thanks all and thanks timdot , will check it out tomorrow . I understand the need ( to a degree ) , but I do think it ' s unfortunate that we have to cater for the worlds lowest common denominator . I mean , I manage to adjust the HWS , ca n ' t everyone ? Rhetorical question , I also know that answer : - ( I suppose it also acts as a pressure reducing valve too , so that I do n ' t splash hot water in my eyes ? ? ? User # 27524 3104 posts lambs whrl . pl / Rdgbtp posted 2012 - Jul - 23 , 8 : 52 pm AEST Firstly , both you and plugger2 need to understand that you can not ' opt for thermostatic mixer valve ( s ) ' in place of a tempering valve under the regulations . The plumber is required to install a tempering valve set to a max of 50C ( domestic applications ) to all new ( inc replacement ) hot water systems . Fitting tmv ' s at the shower / bath / etc is entirely the choice of the client , but their fitment can not and does not negate the requirement for a tempering valve . timdot writes . . . by law needs to be serviced every year by a tmv licensed plumber . Nonsense . not to mention if you have a more than one bathroom you will need more than one tmv and the fact you will end up with an ugly stainless steel box in every room they are fitted in to allow for servicing . There are different types of tmv , and they certainly do not all require to be enclosed in stainless steel boxes . I have one ( Grohe ) in my ensuite shower / bath outlet . It looks like this : http : / / www . grohe . com / uk / 5485 / bathroom / shower - thermostats / grohtherm - 1000 / product - deta ils / ? product = 34155 - G126&color = 000 oh i also forgot that you need to keep a regular temperature check diary ( from memory weekly ) by law also and that must be done with an approppriate digital thermometer Again , nonsense . whrl . pl / Rdgbw3 posted 2012 - Jul - 23 , 9 : 01 pm AEST lambs writes . . . Firstly , both you and plugger2 need to understand that you can not ' opt for thermostatic mixer valve ( s ) ' in place of a tempering valve under the regulations . The plumber is required to install a tempering valve set to a max of 50C ( domestic applications ) to all new ( inc replacement ) hot water systems . Fitting tmv ' s at the shower / bath / etc is entirely the choice of the client , but their fitment can not and does not negate the requirement for a tempering valve . Thanks lambs . Now , this is my point – your MTV has a button that you have to depress to go over 38c , right ? What ' s wrong with having to have that on every tap that allows you to go scalding if you so want ? Cost , I guess I mean , I ca n ' t even begin to think how crap a bath ' s going to be in a new house when you ca n ' t have it HOT ! Anyway , enough said . The instantaneous hot water system in the office has a button that has to be depressed before it will operate ( it defeats about a third of new users ) . Again , cost I guess . Sheez . Oops , sorry , enough said again ! User # 27524 3104 posts lambs whrl . pl / RdgbAT posted 2012 - Jul - 23 , 9 : 15 pm AEST What ' s wrong with having to have that on every tap that allows you to go scalding if you so want ? Cost , I guess Because someone could leave it on a higher temp without realising / thinking and then put a child in the water . . . .the whole point of the tempering valve is take the user adjustability out of the equation . Okay , ' nanny state ' and all that , but none - the - less ( I do agree , to some extent , BTW ) . I mean , I ca n ' t even begin to think how crap a bath ' s going to be in a new house when you ca n ' t have it HOT ! Anyway , enough said . 50C water is very , very hot for a bath . . .you would burn if you could stand it . From memory , enough to give you second degree burns after about 10 minutes ( something like that ) . whrl . pl / RdgbQ4 posted 2012 - Jul - 23 , 10 : 23 pm AEST lambs writes . . . 50C water is very , very hot for a bath . . .you would burn if you could stand it . just did a little test – and i suggest the OP do the same – our kitchen hot tap outputs 65c water ( this tap is the furthest from the HWS – might see if i can back off the HWS a tad and reduce that to 55 or so and save some $ $ $ on the gas bill ) , reduce that temp to 48 and there is no way a person could get into a bath and stay there willingly . It ' s not hot enough to scald , but it ' s too hot too we used to have an outdoor spa , it was set to 38 and there were n ' t too many people who used it that wanted it to be set to a higher temp i can tell you . There were warnings about using it at that temp as it could cause problems for people who were n ' t fit . I do of course understand that in a spa you are almost fully submerged whereas there are n ' t too many baths around that deep and so the effect of heat is more intense in a whrl . pl / RdgbVw posted 2012 - Jul - 23 , 10 : 33 pm AEST i suggest that those that have a tempering valve seriously check their HWS thermostat setting , there is no point setting your thermostat to a temp that tries to get the water temp higher than what the tempering valve sets the water temp to – you are just wasting fuel / power / gas in the attempt to get hotter water measure the water temp at the furthers tap from the HWS and adjust your thermostat until you get to the same temp at that tap as you do from the tap that is closest to your HWS – this will be the optimal setting for your HWS . Any higher and you wasting energy , and your $ $ $ , for nothing as you wo n ' t get a higher temp because of the tempering valve in the system whrl . pl / RdgdCe posted 2012 - Jul - 24 , 1 : 30 pm AEST dddp writes . . . Any higher and you wasting energy , and your $ $ $ , for nothing as you wo n ' t get a higher temp because of the tempering valve in the system This is n ' t correct . A storage HW service will only mix as much hot water with the cold to get to the required temp set by the tempering valve . If the water is hotter in the tank , less volume of hot water used . Same amount of _energy_ , though . If you think it through , you will see that by raising or lowering the thermostat setting , you are not affecting how much energy you use , but rather how much energy your hot water service can store . And with a modern , well insulated system with negligible heat loss through the walls of the tank , the net energy usage ( and therefore cost ) is the same . You just have more hot water ( i.e. , energy actually ) stored on tap to get you through the day . whrl . pl / RdgnBm posted 2012 - Jul - 26 , 10 : 16 pm AEST Firstly , both you and plugger2 need to understand that you can not ' opt for thermostatic mixer valve ( s ) ' in place of a tempering valve under the regulations . The plumber is required to install a tempering valve set to a max of 50C ( domestic applications ) to all new ( inc replacement ) hot water systems . Fitting tmv ' s at the shower / bath / etc is entirely the choice of the client , but their fitment can not and does not negate the requirement for a tempering valve . timdot writes . . . Nonsense . There are different types of tmv , and they certainly do not all require to be enclosed in stainless steel boxes . I have one ( Grohe ) in my ensuite shower / bath outlet . It looks like this : http : / / www . grohe . com / uk / 5485 / bathroom / shower - the rmostats / grohtherm - 1000 / prod uct - details / ? product = 34155 - G126&color = 000 Again , nonsense . where do i start . first of all that tap you linked to isnt a thermostatic mixing valve its a thermostatic mixer . BIG difference . this is a thermostatic mixing valve http : / / www . enware . com . au / esto re / ProductDetail . aspx ? ProductID = 1164 a thermostatic mixing valve services a number of fixtures . you might want to read section 1.1 for starters and then go on to section 8.2 . http : / / www . health . nsw . gov . au / policies / PD / 2005 / pdf / PD2005_344 . pdf i will be fitting one tomorrow in a school disabled bathroom / changeroom . there will be no tempering valve on the hot water heater . the tmv ( same brand as linked above ) will be fitted below and slightly to the side of one of the basins in a stainless steel box for servicability and will feed 3 basins and 1 shower . the hws will have full hot water supplied to the tmv . the tmv will do its thing and supply warm water to the fixtures . the hws goes only to the tmv , nowhere else . upon handover of the building they will be supplied with a booklet that includes such things as : the testing proceedures for the valve and the servicing requirments of the valve . the booklet is set up with columns to allow the school to keep their regular temperature records for that particular valve . this is done for each individual tmv . as thermostatic mixing valves are fitted in places such as schools , hospitals and nursing homes they are required by law to be tested every year by a licensed plumber with a tmv license and the requirements are very strict for the testing . very different to a tempering valve and thermostatic mixers like you have in your bathroom . you might want to do research before sprouting off User # 412014 357 posts XLS whrl . pl / RdgnCE posted 2012 - Jul - 26 , 10 : 23 pm AEST you might want to do research before sprouting off Which is why i usally give up replying to topics after I see some of the replies . . . . anyway what you have posted is correct . whrl . pl / RdgnC2 posted 2012 - Jul - 26 , 10 : 26 pm AEST just did a little test – and i suggest the OP do the same – our kitchen hot tap outputs 65c water ( this tap is the furthest from the HWS – might see if i can back off the HWS a tad and reduce that to 55 or so and save some $ $ $ on the gas bill ) , reduce that temp to 48 and there is no way a person could get into a bath and stay there willingly . It ' s not hot enough to scald , but it ' s too hot too the reason that your hws is set to such a high temperature is for health reasons . if you lower the temperature of your tank below 50c it will start to harbor bacteria as they love warm water . hence the tempering valve to reduce the temperature whrl . pl / RdgnDl posted 2012 - Jul - 26 , 10 : 27 pm AEST LiquidTech writes . . . 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Had an accident this morning , I was n ' t at fault , police also confirmed that it was other driver ' s fault 4 Airbags went off and after the accident engine would n ' t turn on and the whole thing was kindda locked , driver door would n ' t open so I had to get out from the passenger side . . car had to be towed Its an Audi A4 B8 2010 , would appreciate if experienced guys from smash repairer comment on this and let me know if this is a write off Pictures : http : / / i45 . tinypic .com / f40a5u . jpg http : / / i48 .tinypic .com / 2iktm4j . jpg User # 496091 319 posts CB Wilson In the penalty box reference : whrl . pl / Rdf1qq posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 7 : 49 pm AEST no User # 165365 9043 posts @ ttaboy Whirlpool Forums Addict whrl . pl / Rdf1qV posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 7 : 52 pm AEST Not really , let your insurance handle it . Please tell us you have insurance . . . . . User # 73868 5026 posts Sprocketman Whirlpool Forums Addict whrl . pl / Rdf1q5 posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 7 : 52 pm AEST Winstone writes . . . and after the accident engine would n ' t turn on Probably has an automatic fuel pump cut - off when the airbags deploy – should just be a reset switch . Does n ' t look like a write off . User # 388594 826 posts EVIL - EERF Whirlpool Enthusiast whrl . pl / Rdf1rg posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 7 : 53 pm AEST big scratch not a write off User # 248262 7667 posts Me . whrl . pl / Rdf1vg posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 03 pm AEST Not a write off . 2 new door panel , new airbags and some paint . Maybe 2 new doors at worse . User # 65448 1389 posts Winstone whrl . pl / Rdf1wX posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 11 pm AEST O.P . @ ttaboy writes . . . Please tell us you have insurance . . . . . I ' m not an idiot mate , also the other driver has insurance too , btw they are handling it already , police report is still to come And last time when someone rammed into my car from behind ( again not my fault ) , there were only a few scratches on the rear bumper and the repair costed more than five grands ( though I ' m not exactly sure ) , this time 4 air bags went off and a friend who used to work in smash repairers told me that these air bags can be very expensive whrl . pl / Rdf1xA posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 13 pm AEST Sprocketman writes . . . Probably has an automatic fuel pump cut - off when the airbags deploy – should just be a reset switch . Probably , since flashers started automatically too User # 496091 319 posts CB Wilson In the penalty box whrl . pl / Rdf1xL posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 14 pm AEST Winstone writes . . . these air bags can be very expensive but its not going to come anywhere near the replacement value of your car ( ie economic write off ) User # 63176 6793 posts Ken ™ whrl . pl / Rdf1zw posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 23 pm AEST this time 4 air bags went off and a friend who used to work in smash repairers told me that these air bags can be very expensive They are , and there ' s a better than average chance that Audi will need to ship them out from Germany . after the accident engine would n ' t turn on and the whole thing was kindda locked , driver door would n ' t open so I had to get out from the passenger side . . car had to be towed If , as a result of an accident , any airbags have deployed , you should get the car towed regardless , as it is no longer roadworthy . As you are insured , there is no additional cost to you to get the car towed anyway , and most insurers will pay for a taxi to get you home , or to your destination . User # 498458 1306 posts Barbie Princess whrl . pl / Rdf1Af posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 27 pm AEST for those saying no , yes it actually is . each air bag cost almost 2k to fix and the cars are often written off once they go off , plus all the other damage . i ' m a spray painter and see it all the time . User # 25263 7285 posts kowcop whrl . pl / Rdf1A8 posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 32 pm AEST Barbie Princess writes . . . for those saying no , yes it actually is . each air bag cost almost 2k to fix and the cars are often written off once they go off , plus all the other damage . i ' m a spray painter and see it all the time . from my very limited understanding , it is a write off when the cost of the repair exceeds something like 75 % of the replacement value . . it does n ' t look like that would come anywhere close User # 258766 1501 posts RandomPerson whrl . pl / Rdf1Br posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 33 pm AEST And last time when someone rammed into my car from behind ( again not my fault ) , there were only a few scratches on the rear bumper and the repair costed more than five grands I heard that when airbags deploy it costs alot more ? and ur driving an audi ? does that mean any sort of repair will be expensive ? whrl . pl / Rdf1Bt posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 33 pm AEST Barbie Princess writes . . . yes it actually is . each air bag cost almost 2k to fix and the cars are often written off once they go off , plus all the other damage . lol , thats 8k , add 5 for the panel work and you are still around 30 % of the car value User # 73868 5026 posts Sprocketman whrl . pl / Rdf1BK posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 35 pm AEST for those saying no , yes it actually is . each air bag cost almost 2k to fix and the An A4 , so replacement cost of roughly $ 40k . That ' s a hell of a lot of air bags . User # 51344 1147 posts Carlton whrl . pl / Rdf1BQ posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 35 pm AEST Probably not a write off . A workmate of mine was T - boned at a roundabout whilst going through it . It set off most of his airbags and did all sorts of damage to his 1 year old Subaru Liberty . It was back on the road in a few months , delays with parts coming form Japan . Damage looked similar to yours . User # 498458 1306 posts Barbie Princess whrl . pl / Rdf1CK posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 39 pm AEST kowcop writes . . . O kowcop . . . from my very limited understanding , it is a write off when the cost of the repair exceeds something like 75 % of the replacement value . . it does n ' t look like that would come anywhere close not the case once the airbags deploy , car is almost always written off . whrl . pl / Rdf1CY posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 40 pm AEST once the airbags deploy , car is almost always written off . ROFL How long have you been in the trade ? User # 7773 3807 posts Hamburger Racing 04 whrl . pl / Rdf1Di posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 42 pm AEST Its probably not a writeoff , but saying that , there may well be damage to the a pillar , as the front guard also has damage , along with the drivers door , which means the A pillar MIGHT well have damage too . They wont know untill they pull the doors and front guard off to tell whats happen under it . If however , the A pillar is bent even the slightest , they WILL write it off edit : same goes with the B pillar , between front and rear doors . . whrl . pl / Rdf1F4 posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 8 : 54 pm AEST Hamburger Racing 04 writes . . . If however , the A pillar is bent even the slightest , they WILL write it off No , it would have to be bent / crumpled beyond statutory requirements and by the looks of the exterior damage any slight movement that may have occurred will be easily pulled out on a rack . Same for the B pillar User # 383376 3775 posts Scentless Apprentice whrl . pl / Rdf1Hf posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 9 : 00 pm AEST Pictures : http : / / i45 . tiny pic . com / f40a5u . jpg http : / / i48 . tinypic . com / 2iktm4j . jpg that ' ll buff out ; - ) User # 54136 9572 posts Chuck Fetch whrl . pl / Rdf1Jn posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 9 : 09 pm AEST Look around the roof line where the door meets and the floor sill . . . any bends ? Slap a couple of doors on it and new airbags . . . ? ? Apart from the airbags that is almost drivable ? Better nick than most of the cars getting around here . Saw a fairly new BMW that nudged a car in front at the lights recently . . . all the bags went off . . . barely a scratch on the bumper . $ $ $ $ whrl . pl / Rdf1JM posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 9 : 12 pm AEST More Power writes . . . all the bags went off . . . No need to use that sort of language when referring to the old ladies in the car User # 54136 9572 posts Chuck Fetch whrl . pl / Rdf1MR posted 2012 - Jul - 20 , 9 : 26 pm AEST CB Wilson writes . . . No need to use that sort of language Go to your room right now ! User # 495626 233 posts tyjc Forum Regular whrl . pl / Rdf2q1 posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 1 : 36 am AEST gotigers2015 writes . . . that ' ll buff out ; - ) Bah ! Beat me to it ! User # 322234 1343 posts dawill whrl . pl / Rdf2CR posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 7 : 38 am AEST Its an Audi A4 B8 2010 , would appreciate if experienced guys from smash repairer comment on this and let me know if this is a write off No one here ( even us smash repairers ) can actually tell you if it is a write off from the photos and info provided . It is more involved than that and requires a complete inspection and quote then an assessor to go through the process . ( write offs vary a bit from state to state but it ' s basically the same ) A statutory write off is when certain areas of structural components are damaged beyond safe repair . It has nothing to do with cost and everything to do with the intergity of the vehicle if a repair was attempted . Your car does not appear to be a structural write off . An economical write off is a basic equation and not a set percentage . Although on older vehicles it usually equates to somewhere around 75 % of vehicle value but it is definitely not a set percentage . The equation an assessor uses is , vehicle value minus assessed quote minus sublet repairs minus damaged vehicle salvage value minus guesstimate of potential extra unseen repairs . If its a positive figure then it will most likely repair but if it ' s a negative figure then it ' s considered an economical write off . On economical write offs the vehicle salvage is to biggest contributing factor . Multiple wreckers will supply a buy price for the wreck and if this price is high then it does n ' t leave much money left for repairs . EG hail damaged vehicles get very very good salvage and will economically write off at as low or under 50 % vehicle value . Your car might be an economical write off because of high salvage value ( euro vehicles get high salvage too because everybody wants a ' cheap ' prestige vehicle ) but on info and Looking at your car ( as a smash repairer ) off the couple of photos you provided I would consider it a good job . The body repairs are straight forward with new panels and repairs ( maybe replacement ) to the pillars . But the air bag replacements will be a bit more involved and depending on cost , could tip your car over the write off threshold . Good luck . User # 17372 366 posts mickyrabbit Forum Regular whrl . pl / Rdf2Wp posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 10 : 36 am AEST Do you have leather seats ? If so , I would be pushing for them to be replaced also . The powder that is discharged when the airbags go off will make the leather harden up after a period of time . This is a good tip when buying a car with leather , check to see if the leather is very hard . If it is , investigate a bit further . User # 422504 111 posts Bob Dole Participant whrl . pl / Rdf2Zw posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 10 : 58 am AEST mickyrabbit writes . . . If so , I would be pushing for them to be replaced also . The powder that is discharged when the airbags go off will make the leather harden up after a period of time . Alternatively , ca n ' t you just wipe down the leather seats with a wet towel ? User # 52506 2333 posts arniee whrl . pl / Rdf23g posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 11 : 20 am AEST Just had my car written off . AU S3 – agreed at 8k – hit a roo and damage = 9.5k cos roof was involved . Bye Bye car Its written of after it exceeds the value of the policy ( weather market or agreed , what ever you had on insurance ) whrl . pl / Rdf3Yf posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 4 : 59 pm AEST dawill writes . . . No one here ( even us smash repairers ) can actually tell you if it is a write off from the photos and info provided . It is more involved than that and requires a complete inspection and quote then an assessor to go through the process . I was just trying to get some ideas since even my smash repairer could n ' t tell me without inspecting the car , taking it apart and getting part prices , thanks for your post now I have a very good idea on what ' s involved in the process , appreciate your post I ' m hoping for economical write off since even if they repair it I ' m going to sell this car , have a feeling that its never going to be the same car again User # 258766 1501 posts RandomPerson whrl . pl / Rdf4ag posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 6 : 01 pm AEST Dont take this the wrong way , but considering how the car has in my eyes not much damage i would feel safe in that car especially that the airbags did diploy , you hear so many stories of them not working User # 207636 2432 posts DuMaX whrl . pl / Rdf4gK posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 6 : 37 pm AEST Nowhere near a write off IMO . From the pics it looks like pretty superficial damage to the doors and probably no pillar damage . You car is worth enough to warrant repairs . User # 282784 440 posts Mesky whrl . pl / Rdf4h4 posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 6 : 42 pm AEST my vw had worst pretty much the whole side from front to rear bumper including wheel and suspension was damage cost 20k car was insured for 27k , my door was dented so bad that it wo n ' t open no more but it was n ' t a write off User # 301127 5325 posts ΔNegative whrl . pl / Rdf4ii posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 6 : 44 pm AEST 1 door 1 door skin 4 airbags Paint & detail Nowhere near write off User # 94865 8887 posts ChromeOS whrl . pl / Rdf4jM posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 6 : 50 pm AEST compare your car to these photos . . . . . http : / / www . pickles . com . au / da maged / - / listing / searchItems ? fromController = default&saleI d = &refineSearch = &clearFormVa lues = true&selectedItemTypeId = 100000001&makeId = 100000116& modelId = &locationDescription Id = &city = &suburb = &state = &fro mYear = &toYear = &fromKms = &toKm s = &keyword = &damaged = DAM&sortBy = DESCRIPTION User # 323261 2191 posts Zipporah whrl . pl / Rdf4lm posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 6 : 58 pm AEST not the case once the airbags deploy , car is almost always written off . Sorry I work for one of the biggest insurance companies in the country and I say absolutely not . I ' m not sure where you ' re getting this information but I know of PLENTY of cars with deployed airbags that have been repaired . My sisters car is one of them . whrl . pl / Rdf4mE posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 7 : 05 pm AEST sml writes . . . compare your car to these photos . . . . . excellent post . I wonder what the story is on that droptop – sand in every orifice ? this reply explores the view that hidden damage may lead to a vehicle being a write off whrl . pl / Rdf4mZ posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 7 : 07 pm AEST CB Wilson writes . . . excellent post . I wonder what the story is on that droptop – sand in every orifice ? Keep in mind that all of the vehicles on that page are older than the OP ' s car . User # 185942 22858 posts Itch ¥ feet Banned whrl . pl / Rdf4m2 posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 7 : 07 pm AEST Zipporah writes . . . Sorry I work for one of the biggest insurance companies in the country and I say absolutely not . I ' m not sure where you ' re getting this information but I know of PLENTY of cars with deployed airbags that have been repaired . My sisters car is one of them . Id be worried if they replaced Airbags ! surely that ' s a write off . Btw did the airbags hurt when deployed ? . whrl . pl / Rdf4od posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 7 : 13 pm AEST Sprocketman writes . . . Keep in mind that all of the vehicles on that page are older than the OP ' s car . Yes I did see that , I just found it of note that a car can appear completely ok in photos but unless you dig deeper there may be hidden " secrets " this reply explores the view that hidden damage may lead to a vehicle being a write off whrl . pl / Rdf4oO posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 7 : 16 pm AEST Itch ¥ feet writes . . . Id be worried if they replaced Airbags ! why ? it ' s just a car part like any other with a specific function and useable life . It does n ' t worry you if a tyre or gearbox is replaced with a comparable component by a competent repairer does it ? whrl . pl / Rdf4ph posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 7 : 19 pm AEST Yes I did see that , I just found it of note that a car can appear completely ok in photos but unless you dig deeper there may be hidden " secrets " Malicious damage – could be something like sugar in the fuel tank . User # 94865 8887 posts ChromeOS whrl . pl / Rdf4pz posted 2012 - Jul - 21 , 7 : 20 pm AEST unfortunately no similar year cars . . why not search for VW then . whrl . pl / RdgPlC posted 2012 - Aug - 3 , 10 : 18 am AEST Just to update , it was not a write off and the repair cost is going to be $ 17K + Archive View Return to standard view Forums Archive Automotive Insurance Is this a write off ? 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http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2417268 | Forums Archive Automotive Subaru How much more does a subaru cost to fix / service ? Archive View Return to standard view last updated – posted 2015 - Oct - 22 , 6 : 36 pm AEST User # 536721 867 posts Feldspar Whirlpool Enthusiast reference : whrl . pl / RekgJf posted 2015 - Jun - 13 , 6 : 36 pm AEST edited 2015 - Jun - 13 , 6 : 46 pm AEST O.P . Ca n ' t say I know a whole lot about cars , but been wanting to get a liberty since I was a kid . Just wondering how much more they cost to fix and service compared to lancers , corollas etc . E.g. for my 2000 lancer I was quoted $ 700 to replace a clutch . But I was on google and read $ 1300 for a similar aged Subaru . Is it really that more expensive ? That is the only reason stopping me from buying one . User # 448521 1833 posts Saint_Valentine Whirlpool Enthusiast reference : whrl . pl / RekgJ9 posted 2015 - Jun - 13 , 6 : 41 pm AEST I believe that Subaru clutches are more expensive than other brands , but someone else will explain exactly why I ' m sure . I would n ' t put my money on a Subaru if running costs were a key concern , however anecdotally they ' re very reliability and solidly built . My sisters bug eye Impreza RX was n ' t serviced for 40,000kms and she shifted at 4 - 5k each and every launch . Would cost her an arm when she finally did service it , but it just kept chuggin along . Sold it with 180,000kms for a handsome sum . Easy cars to resell . User # 536721 867 posts Feldspar whrl . pl / RekgLk posted 2015 - Jun - 13 , 6 : 47 pm AEST O.P . Cheers . MKL23 writes . . . I would n ' t put my money on a Subaru if running costs were a key concern , Just wanted to know what I was getting myself into if I did buy one . User # 448521 1833 posts Saint_Valentine whrl . pl / RekgMf posted 2015 - Jun - 13 , 6 : 51 pm AEST Which are you specifically looking for ? A beautiful GEN4 Liberty ? whrl . pl / RekgNO posted 2015 - Jun - 13 , 6 : 58 pm AEST MKL23 writes . . . A beautiful GEN4 Liberty ? Preferably . Or even a 3GEN . Only wanting to go up to 10k . User # 113072 76 posts capstralia Forum Regular whrl . pl / RekhGI posted 2015 - Jun - 14 , 8 : 17 am AEST I ' ve got a gen 4 liberty . Had it since new , regularly serviced by Subaru . Never had anything wrong with it , until very recently - a radio display died and Subaru quoted $ 380 to replace it with a new one plus $ 50 for labour . Overall the quality is impressive for a 8yo car . But the service is generally more expensive than Mitsubishi or Toyota User # 483128 154 posts Bad Man Participant whrl . pl / RekkrA posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 9 : 51 am AEST 1 . Suby parts in Australia are double the price of almost any other country , the importers are pirates . 2 . The whole engine comes out in most new Subaru clutch changes , as opposed to simply dropping the gearbox . I am on my first and probably last Subaru , it has had quality issues from new and frankly it has underwhelmed me given the reputation . Our Honda is a much better car in most regards . User # 562270 12205 posts BrendanM In the penalty box whrl . pl / Rekkzt posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 10 : 22 am AEST Bad Man writes . . . The whole engine comes out in most new Subaru clutch changes , as opposed to simply dropping the gearbox Since when ? User # 140282 4052 posts whatever Whirlpool Forums Addict whrl . pl / RekkAV posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 10 : 30 am AEST Pelican writes . . . E.g. for my 2000 lancer I was quoted $ 700 to replace a clutch . But I was on google and read $ 1300 for a similar aged Subaru . Is it really that more expensive ? Only at dealerships , $ 400 clutch kit ( including flywheel , $ 400 labour . Pelican writes . . . That is the only reason stopping me from buying one . Service costs of subaru is a myth , just stay away from dealerships . Not hard to service or repair . Just order parts from the US and have them installed locally if you ' re not good with DIY . Bad Man writes . . . 1 . Suby parts in Australia are double the price of almost any other country , the importers are pirates . Like every other manufacturer here . 2 . The whole engine comes out in most new Subaru clutch changes , as opposed to simply dropping the gearbox . Complete garbage , you have NFI what you are on about Our Honda is a much better car in most regards . Made in Thailand User # 445619 2774 posts fma999 In the penalty box whrl . pl / RekkCj posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 10 : 38 am AEST Absolute rubbish re : engine out for a clutch and / or flywheel replacement . User # 54257 1694 posts Kod whrl . pl / RekkCJ posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 10 : 40 am AEST Just do n ' t go to the stealerships , find a good independent mechanic . For a 2010 wrx clutch i did n ' t even get quoted from the stealership , aftermarket exedy was 1100 including install and flywheel mc . And there would be far cheaper options than this . Minor services around like $ 150 . User # 400879 3852 posts dtc Whirlpool Forums Addict whrl . pl / RekkKj posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 11 : 15 am AEST Google head gaskets for that model . You will want a car that has had this done bc it ' s expensive . But the fix works totally . Also the timing belt is fairly expensive ( I think it ' s at 160000km ? ) . But most cars of that era have similar expenses , perhaps a few $ 100 cheaper . Otherwise they are great cars , hold together really well and good to drive ( I have a 2002 Liberty ) . If you can get an under 180,000km model with the head gasket done and the servicing up to date , brilliant choice . Yes they are probably more expensive than a Camry if something goes wrong , but they are much better cars and they are far more reliable than most other choices ( so things go wrong less often ) Oh , you will see people say that if the boxer engine is n ' t serviced strictly on the dot every time ( eg6 monthly ) then it will explode or something . This is c * p . So long as it ' s serviced at reasonable intervals ( eg 12 months or 12500km ) then it will be fine . Km is more important than the interval . User # 483128 154 posts Bad Man Participant whrl . pl / ReklBX posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 2 : 40 pm AEST ᾏ ∑ YḾḾETЯΨ writes . . . Complete garbage , you have NFI what you are on about Do your research , MANY mechanics take the engine out in preference to the box , they consider it an easier method . It is a big box . . . I have EVERY idea of what I am on about , I ' m just looking at the best way to do mine as I do my own work . User # 562270 12205 posts BrendanM whrl . pl / ReklCF posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 2 : 43 pm AEST Do your research , MANY mechanics take the engine out in preference to the box , they consider it an easier method . It is a big box . . . No they do n ' t . It ' s a standard size box , that ' s very easy to get out . There is absolutely no reason to remove the engine . whrl . pl / ReklDJ posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 2 : 46 pm AEST fma999 writes . . . Absolute rubbish re : engine out for a clutch and / or flywheel replacement . . . . . LOL . . . nope . . . surprised me too . A lot of people do it that way as a preference . Anywhooo . . . it is a bigger job than most cars which ever way you tackle it . whrl . pl / ReklEk posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 2 : 48 pm AEST BrendanM writes . . . No they do n ' t . It ' s a standard size box , that ' s very easy to get out . There is absolutely no reason to remove the engine . Standard size eh ? for what ? User # 438272 96 posts Sterlingwh whrl . pl / ReklLe posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 3 : 13 pm AEST Just do n ' t ever take it to dealership for service or repair , firstly they have know idea what they are doing and secondly they charge you a fortune just to do anything . Find a good independent mechanic . A few years back I had a clutch replaced on a 4GEN by my mechanic ( after my wife murdered it ) and the cost was about $ 680 . whrl . pl / ReklTp posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 3 : 38 pm AEST Standard size eh ? for what ? Standard size for Subaru . Been that big for a long time . Pull out a suby auto box , or a patrol manual , and you ' ll know what a big box is . Suby manual is nothing . Someone pulling the engine to do a suby clutch has no idea what they are doing , they are easy as pie . User # 148907 426 posts ItZa Forum Regular whrl . pl / ReklWG posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 3 : 46 pm AEST I bought a WRX about a couple of weeks ago and intend to make use of the 1 month check / chat which is free , ca n ' t hurt surely lol . Cant remember if I need to bring my car to an ' authentic ' Subaru mechanic in order to honour the warranty or if I can just take it to an external one . Can anyone compare Subaru ' s 3 years of ownership / up to 75,000 kilometres capped service plans to a mechanic they visit that is n ' t part of a dealership or listed as an ' authentic ' Subaru mechanic ? User # 445619 2774 posts fma999 whrl . pl / Rekl0X posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 4 : 02 pm AEST . . . . LOL . . . nope . . . surprised me too . A lot of people do it that way as a preference . Anywhooo . . . it is a bigger job than most cars which ever way you tackle it . I have a 450kw ( 600hp ) WRX . Which had on it the 5 Speed Gbox , and currently the STi 6 Speed Gbox . Also experience on a 6 Speed manual 2005 Liberty Spec B I have had to do a few clutches on it over the last 10 or so years . I have helped my mechanic do it twice . We ( He ) did NOT take the engine out , was not that hard of a job to unbolt Gearbox and get it done . Sorry but your are wrong . whrl . pl / Rekl1m posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 4 : 03 pm AEST BrendanM writes . . . Someone pulling the engine to do a suby clutch has no idea what they are doing , they are easy as pie . Agree totally User # 68204 9244 posts IamTheDog whrl . pl / Rekl8f posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 4 : 34 pm AEST edited 2015 - Jun - 15 , 4 : 40 pm AEST Well I ' ve done it both ways and I prefer the engine move method . Especially since I do n ' t have a hoist . To take the gearbox out is not ' simply ' . You have to first remove the tailshaft , exhaust , both front wheels , hubs to disconnect the front halfshafts . . . If you go the engine move method , you can leave the car on the ground . Edit : I mean , the bell housing is undone either way , and the radiator is a sinch to get out , and engine mounts are undone in seconds . . . What ' s the big deal ? Oh not to mention not losing your expensive gear oil ! whrl . pl / RekmnK posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 5 : 44 pm AEST Yeah , look I have been told by guys that do it often they prefer the engine out . 1.5 hours to get it out , they say . Takes me about 4 to do it the normal way so I guess if you are practised it may even be quicker engine out . It is the only car that I have ever heard of people taking that option sooo . . . I dunno , I have to do mine soon and I am pondering the best way . I do n ' t particularly like juggling gearboxes under whrl . pl / Rekmol posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 5 : 46 pm AEST fma999 writes . . . Agree totally Yeah but have you tried the other way . . . Seriously , these people are not all stupid , they do it that way for a reason and it is more than just a few . Take a look around , it is about the only car that I have ever heard the option even being discussed . whrl . pl / Rekmoz posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 5 : 48 pm AEST PokaFish writes . . . Well I ' ve done it both ways and I prefer the engine move method . Yeah , alot of guys who have done both say the same . Thanks . whrl . pl / Rekmr3 posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 6 : 04 pm AEST eah , look I have been told by guys that do it often they prefer the engine out . 1.5 hours to get it out , they say . Takes me 45 minutes or so to get the box out . We charge about 3 hours for a subie clutch replacement . Engine isnt much harder , but far more stuff to undo , and harder to pull the engine out the top than to drop the box out the bottom . Without a hoist the engine out method may be easier , but a mechanic should have a hoist , so should be removing the box . whrl . pl / RekmwK posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 6 : 15 pm AEST We charge about 3 hours for a subie clutch replacement . You ' d have to be cheaper than most then I ' d guess . Do you use OEM parts or after market . . . ? I am thinking of a heavy duty unit for trailing . Manoeuvring the boat is a bit hard on the clutch . whrl . pl / RekmM8 posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 7 : 36 pm AEST You ' d have to be cheaper than most then I ' d guess . Do you use OEM parts or after market . . . ? I am thinking of a heavy duty unit for trailing . Manoeuvring the boat is a bit hard on the clutch . Just charge what the job is worth , will be slightly more on the subies with dmf , as the bolts they use are a flapping nightmare . 90 % of the time aftermarket , unless the customer wants oem for some reason , or its a euro that uses a Sachs etc clutch , as they are about the same price as aftermarket stuff . Do n ' t have low range on yours being a manual ? whrl . pl / RekmTd posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 7 : 57 pm AEST Do n ' t have low range on yours being a manual ? Yes but its the tight spots I have to get in and out of that do the damage , plus the boat is on the limit for the Forester . whrl . pl / RekmT8 posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 8 : 00 pm AEST as the bolts they use are a flapping nightmare . Designed on computer by some one who has never worked on a car . . . . at least that is the way it seems with some of this stuff . Maintenance is an after thought . whrl . pl / ReknwE posted 2015 - Jun - 15 , 11 : 09 pm AEST Yes but its the tight spots I have to get in and out of that do the damage , plus the boat is on the limit for the Forester . Might be better to get something with a proper low range then , will make maneuvering easier without destroying the clutch Designed on computer by some one who has never worked on a car . . . . at least that is the way it seems with some of this stuff . Maintenance is an after thought . Yep , they are shallow head torx bolts , done up to a billion Nm with loctite as well . Had a few that had to be heated with an oxy before they would move . User # 86557 13475 posts Rika - san whrl . pl / Rekock posted 2015 - Jun - 16 , 8 : 55 am AEST edited 2015 - Jun - 16 , 9 : 08 am AEST I believe that Subaru clutches are more expensive than other brands , but someone else will explain exactly why I ' m sure . Not the case at all . Rather due to the engine and gearbox layout of a Subaru it takes more labour to access and replace the clutch . While it costs a bit more to do a clutch on a Subaru , the gearbox layout is done for good reason . The engine , gearbox and drive train are perfectly aligned and that has benefits to AWD and handling . Same for every brand in this country . You think the Germans or US pay the same price for BMW parts as we do ? You can easily replace the gearbox without removing the engine as others have said . Done it a number of times in my WRX and STi , hoist and drop the gearbox . whrl . pl / Rekpyf posted 2015 - Jun - 16 , 2 : 15 pm AEST Duplicated . whrl . pl / Rekpyn posted 2015 - Jun - 16 , 2 : 15 pm AEST Rika - san writes . . . You think the Germans or US pay the same price for BMW parts as we do ? Nope but I have never run into the egregious mark up that Subaru Australia seem to have on other Japanese cars that I have owned . I have even run into Nissan branded parts in my " Subaru " that seem to cost me less as a Nissan part . They tell me that . . . " I will need less Subaru parts due to their " superior quality " . . . that has been a crock so far . Thanks for the egg to suck though , much appreciated ! LOL . Rika - san writes . . . You can easily replace the gearbox without removing the engine as others have said . Done it a number of times in my WRX and STi , hoist and drop the gearbox . Yeah , read the thread we kinda covered that . User # 86557 13475 posts Rika - san whrl . pl / RekpE4 posted 2015 - Jun - 16 , 2 : 44 pm AEST Nope but I have never run into the egregious mark up that Subaru Australia seem to have on other Japanese cars that I have owned I was n ' t trying to be nasty or rude , just pointing out that here in Australia we get ripped hard by every manufacturer . For consumables I tend to always buy aftermarket . Rotors , pads , clutches , fluids and filters , etc . This is the same for all my cars , Subaru or other . Nissan use to provide the power window switches for many of Subaru ' s vehicles in the 90s and 00s . User # 333130 112 posts thegooch whrl . pl / Rem13w posted 2015 - Aug - 5 , 9 : 53 pm AEST Rear LED brake light cluster for 08 STI $ 600 Australian . Brought it from the USA and installed myself = $ 170 . User # 69295 1808 posts Tiebird whrl . pl / Rem2fM posted 2015 - Aug - 5 , 11 : 17 pm AEST Any subaru which was sold in the USA has cheap parts Any Subaru which was never sold in the USA has $ $ $ $ parts EG . . . mates 01 Forester 2.0 . . . ( EJ202 ) combo never sold in USA everything is $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ ( $ 500 for a VRS kit ) if he had the 2.5 as sold in the USA Its sub $ 100 for a VRS kit . . . Same thing applies to nearly every other car in Australia User # 16596 1100 posts nukiez whrl . pl / Rem2L9 posted 2015 - Aug - 6 , 9 : 50 am AEST thegooch writes . . . Rear LED brake light cluster for 08 STI $ 600 Australian . Brought it from the USA and installed myself = $ 170 . Love this sort of stories keep it coming . I import 5 oil filters at a time for my euro saved heaps . There is quite large market for subi here did n ' t expect parts to be overly expensive . User # 37830 10457 posts Sir Tony OAM whrl . pl / Rem2Mt posted 2015 - Aug - 6 , 9 : 52 am AEST ItZa writes . . . I bought a WRX about a couple of weeks ago and intend to make use of the 1 month check / chat which is free , ca n ' t hurt surely lol . Cant remember if I need to bring my car to an ' authentic ' Subaru mechanic in order to honour the warranty or if I can just take it to an external one . Can anyone compare Subaru ' s 3 years of ownership / up to 75,000 kilometres capped service plans to a mechanic they visit that is n ' t part of a dealership or listed as an ' authentic ' Subaru mechanic ? Tying a warranty to a specific service provider : Dealer vs non - dealer servicing explained The Competition and Consumer Act 2010 prevents the practice of exclusive dealing by attaching conditions to the sale of goods that restrict the buyer ’ s freedom of choice to deal with whom or in what they choose . Essentially this means that a vehicle manufacturer can not specify that you must have your car serviced by a particular dealer or group of dealers as part of the warranty conditions . Nor can a manufacturer void a warranty simply because a vehicle owner has chosen to have a vehicle serviced outside the dealer network . http : / / www . racq . com . au / cars - and - driving / cars / owning - and - maintaining - a - car / car - mainte nance / dealer - vs - non - dealer - servicing I ' m up to my 1st 6mth service on my Forester – and with their ' fixed ' pricing of near $ 300 – I ' m now also in the position of 1 ) take it to my local Subaru service – and ' wondering ' if this is just an expensive oil change only ? ? 2 ) just take it to my local Kmart ( where I ' ve had my old RAV4 going to for years for good service ) ? ? is the 6mth service ' worth ' the $ 300 that Subaru are charging ? ? User # 400879 3852 posts dtc whrl . pl / Rem2Vk posted 2015 - Aug - 6 , 10 : 31 am AEST For what its worth , my wife ' s Impreza had its ' A ' service ( 6 month ) at an independent and the B service ( 12 months ) at a dealer . The fixed price for both is $ 299 The independent charged $ 279 , the dealer charged $ 299 . The independent was n ' t a chain / franchise . Its things like the Subaru fuel additive ( cant remember what its called ) that add to the price at the indie – so its not just an oil change , which is probably under $ 200 . KSAS have oil change ( semi synthetic ) fixed at $ 160 or $ 180 for a slightly higher level . So probably you can get the price ( with fully synthetic plus the fuel additive ) to around Oddly , the dealer then said that because my wife does n ' t drive very many km ( about 4 - 5000 / 6 months ) , they suggest doing an ' interim ' service rather than a full service . Not sure what that involves or how it affects the warranty . It is annoying that Subaru require 6 month servicing given that they reckon you can drive 12,500km between services , which for most people is about a year . For a new car , first 12 months or so , I do n ' t mind too much because anything likely to go wrong will go wrong in that period . But after that , it seems excessive . My 2002 Liberty gets serviced about every 12 months and works perfect ( although it only does about 10,000 per year ) User # 16596 1100 posts nukiez whrl . pl / Rem2Wb posted 2015 - Aug - 6 , 10 : 36 am AEST A turbo engine fitted with a > 4.5L oil sump can definitely go 12 months between servicing plenty of euro cars do this . User # 37830 10457 posts Sir Tony OAM whrl . pl / Rem27w posted 2015 - Aug - 6 , 11 : 32 am AEST dtc writes . . . For what its worth , my wife ' s Impreza had its ' A ' service ( 6 month ) at an independent and the B service ( 12 months ) at a dealer . The fixed price for both is $ 299 It is annoying that Subaru require 6 month servicing given that they reckon you can drive 12,500km between services , which for most people is about a year thanks for you post , dtc ! ! I might get it done there for the 1st time – and see how I feel about their service @ 12 mths . ( to note – in my 6mths , I ' m just about to rack up 7,000kms . Taking out a drive from Syd - Melb via the Hume and return via Princes – I can easily take 2000 off that amount – there would be no way I would have done 12500 in 6mths ! ! ) whrl . pl / Rem3yz posted 2015 - Aug - 6 , 1 : 42 pm AEST Sir Tony OAM writes . . . I might get it done there for the 1st time – and see how I feel about their service @ 12 mths . In terms of pricing , because KSAS have a fixed pricing service which is on their website , you can probably sit down and compare what they provide to what the Subaru fixed price includes ( if you look on the Subie website they tell you , well they tell you to look in your log book and on the website tell you which of those items are within the fixed price ) . That said , if I were an indie mechanic I would just look up the Subaru fixed price and take 10 % or 15 % off and charge that , rather than my ' normal ' charge . Actually , I would do that for all cars that had a fixed price service , unless its a really subsidised fixed price ( like Toyota ) . I ' m pretty sure you will save a bit of money not using a dealer , $ 50 or so ; but whether KSAS have the latest updates or whatever may be questionable . However , there may not be any ; Subaru never seem to have them whereas other companies seem to update their multi media systems constantly ( eg Mazda ) . Whether that ' s good ( Subaru got it right the first time ) or bad ( they never bother improving ) , who knows . Because the Impreza was a new car , I Also the dealer is just as convenient ( its pretty much next door to the indie we use ) . If it was a pain to get to I do n ' t think I would use it , despite what I just said above . User # 657311 3 posts suvtragic I ' m new here , please be nice whrl . pl / ReqDpl posted 2015 - Oct - 17 , 9 : 10 am AEST I am not good at understanding how to use this forum . Sorry . ! Can I ask for help about a $ 15,000 Subaru 5dr X Luxury wagon 2.4i manual 2010 . 144,000ks approx . Any known problems ? I also do n ' t know if I can afford expensive repairs . People here are suggesting , go to a normal mechanic , not dealership . I am Australian . Middle aged aged care worker , wanting this car for comfort , ( sitting higher ) , for myself and clients , their wheelchairs , and for loading a couple or three bikes , on weekends . Some light off road use . Nowhere I have n ' t taken my little Ford Laser , but it does bottom out a little . I would Appreciate help / advice . I am not a mechanic . User # 130696 1029 posts rxjb whrl . pl / ReqVwi posted 2015 - Oct - 22 , 5 : 28 pm AEST dtc writes . . . Otherwise they are great cars , hold together really well and good to drive ( I have a 2002 Liberty ) . If you can get an under 180,000km model with the head gasket done and the servicing up to date , brilliant choice . Yes they are probably more expensive than a Camry if something goes wrong , but they are much better cars and they are far more reliable than most other choices ( so things go wrong less often ) Agreed with everything mentioned in this post . I have a gen 3 and agree 100 % . Other than regular servicing , nothing has failed . Clutch cost $ 1000 . That ' s the only thing i have changed in 10 yrs of ownership ? Developed a head gasket leak at 75000 . Its not bad enough to get fixed but have been quoted $ 3k approx . User # 378088 2232 posts Overloaded whrl . pl / ReqVHE posted 2015 - Oct - 22 , 6 : 36 pm AEST Obviously more expensive than your average Holden / ford , but nothing extreme . It ' s all about where you go . Stay away from Dealers and you wo n ' t pay an arm and a leg . Archive View Return to standard view Forums Archive Automotive Subaru How much more does a subaru cost to fix / service ? Industry news Discussion forum Search Popular topics Community Rules Moderation FAQ Whirlpool FAQ Rep code of conduct Knowledge base Job board Local time 1 : 19 AM aest 2 April 2019 Membership 835,266 registered members 12,273 visited in past 24 hrs Big numbers 2,505,439 threads 58,688,906 posts 5,186,741 whims sent 4,757 wiki topics 1,809 modems & routers 79,817 features filled | [
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http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/714250 | Forums Archive Peripherals How Long Should A Print Head Last ? Archive View Return to standard view last updated – posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 5 : 54 pm AEST User # 77740 3769 posts Davy Jones In the penalty box reference : whrl . pl / R9pGH posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 11 : 35 am AEST O.P . I have a Canon MP390 ALL - In - One MFU - - the print head has failed - Error code # # 345 - the carriage will not move and a grinding noise is heard . A quick google search indicates this is a print head problem and not uncommon . The unit is 18 months old replacement for a MP370 under warranty , 23rd August 2005 . Are there any standards or " Hours To Fail " or any documentation to show how long a print head should last under normal operating conditions ? I need evidence to support my dispute that this print head should have lasted longer than it has . Thank you all who reply with any helpful information . User # 30835 3255 posts Moredhel Whirlpool Forums Addict reference : whrl . pl / R9pK0 posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 12 : 01 pm AEST in general , 3 years of a canon print head of that series however that is at ' average usage ' which iirc is about 1000 pages a year unfortunately I do n ' t have any paper to back that up manufacturers tend to provide cartridge yields on paper if you push hard enough but print heads are another story User # 77740 3769 posts Davy Jones In the penalty box whrl . pl / R9pRF posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 12 : 38 pm AEST O.P . Are you in the industry ? Would you be prepared to send me an email to this effect ? Please PM me , This information will really help me greatly ( the 3 years bit ) User # 21396 22667 posts jbsloop Whirlpool Forums Addict whrl . pl / R9pVr posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 12 : 48 pm AEST It ' s a consumer grade product . A new printer is ~ $ 275.00 . Warranty on replaced items generally expires when the original warranty expires . User # 22391 34336 posts Bob B whrl . pl / R9pYy posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 1 : 03 pm AEST jbsloop writes . . . Warranty on replaced items generally expires when the original warranty expires . Yes a warranty is a warranty on the printer as a whole unless otherwise stated . I have had my Canon BJC - 8200 for many years and the print head has a few blocked nozzles but that ' s more my fault for not using it regularly . There ' s no mention on mean hours or sheet quantity for the head just a general 12 month warranty . A replacement head is ~ $ 150 so if mine failed I ' d buy a new printer . If I wanted more info I would give Canon a call and ask what the warranty was on a replacement print head . That would give an indication on what to expect . User # 30835 3255 posts Moredhel whrl . pl / R9p6b posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 1 : 41 pm AEST Bob B writes . . . If I wanted more info I would give Canon a call and ask what the warranty was on a replacement print head . as it was in a replacement machine the warranty would either be 12 months from the initial purchase or 12 months from the replacement ( depending on how generous / tight the agent who replaced it was ) Davy would you be able to estimate how many pages it has printed ? or how often it was used ? and unfortunately I do n ' t have any paperwork to back up my 3 years claim : ( its passed on verbally by the reps but I do n ' t think any are willing to put it on paper whrl . pl / R9qdG posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 2 : 16 pm AEST Yes I know when the manufacturers warranty expires and is normally 12 months . . Yes I know there are also available extended warranties . I am more interested in the failure rate / life expectancy / Man - Hours To Fail . My interest is more to do with this . Yes I know there is way to determine how many pages have been printed but I do n ' t know the actual method . . So if anyone knows this , please tell me User # 21396 22667 posts jbsloop whrl . pl / R9qfe posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 2 : 23 pm AEST Davy Jones writes . . . I am more interested in the failure rate / life expectancy / Man - Hours To Fail . The warranty they offer is based on their own lab findings , and as a consumer level product , built in obsolescence and all , is likely designed for a life of warranty period + 3 months , much like a car battery . Unlike the car battery , which have sacrificial anodes and known acid content , so it ' s a no brainer to work out their life expectancy , a printers lifespan varies enormously from user to user . How many pages have you printed ? Estimate it , or maybe there ' s a counter - try the test page . I ' d expect the print heads to fail in pretty much the same time for all the machines with the same head , give or take 10 % . Of course , if you ' d bought an epson , you ' d get a new P / H with every new ink cart . . . . User # 143311 327 posts Sir Arthur 7 Forum Regular whrl . pl / R9qgW posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 2 : 29 pm AEST Not like before . More money you spend the better it is . I work on printers they all fail . If it moves it fails . More you spend or the less you spend it fails . Fail rate when it breaks could it be tomorrow . I buy printers for it works . Then get another new one when it dos not work spending very little time on the repair . whrl . pl / R9qjD posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 2 : 42 pm AEST jbsloop writes . . . Of course , if you ' d bought an epson , you ' d get a new P / H with every new ink cart . . . . you are probably thinking of HP In general - Canon - printhead in machine , user replacable Epson - printhead in machine , serviceable HP - printhead in cartridge , user replaceable Lexmark - printhead in cartridge , user replaceable Brother - printhead in machine , serviceable as said , these are ' in general ' , it can vary by model whrl . pl / R9qlV posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 2 : 53 pm AEST Moredhel writes . . . you are probably thinking of HP Maybe . . . . The crux of this is that the OP should forget about a warranty or any other claim on his consumer grade MFP , and just go and buy a new unit . User # 22391 34336 posts Bob B whrl . pl / R9qrG posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 3 : 19 pm AEST Moredhel writes . . . these are ' in general ' , it can vary by model Very much so . Canon have both depending on the model . I bought one with a separate print head because I do a lot of colour printing and was throwing away cartridges with ink left in them . My current printer has five bays for ink so when one dries up I just replace it at $ 25 a pop instead of $ 50 + . User # 66607 4040 posts Ant234 whrl . pl / R9qxM posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 3 : 36 pm AEST Davy Jones writes . . . Yes I know there is way to determine how many pages have been printed but I do n ' t know the actual method . . So if anyone knows this , please tell me Sorry not directly about the cannon , but the samsung i had back in my parent ' s place , u can do a test print and it will print out the number of pages . . . whrl . pl / R9qyY posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 3 : 43 pm AEST Ant234 writes . . . Sorry not directly about the cannon , but the samsung i had back in my parent ' s place , u can do a test print and it will print out the number of pages . . . Good idea , but with a 250 buck mfp , there may not be any , or enough nvram to store that information . whrl . pl / R9qzR posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 3 : 46 pm AEST Ant234 writes . . . Sorry not directly about the cannon , but the samsung i had back in my parent ' s place , u can do a test print and it will print out the number of pages . . . I ca n ' t because the printer is stuffed . . Edit : already explained all this in my OP - - sheesh does anyone read what I write ? whrl . pl / R9qA4 posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 3 : 52 pm AEST then could you estimate how much you have printed ? ie , over 18 month period , how much per day / week / month ? whrl . pl / R9qZX posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 5 : 39 pm AEST then could you estimate how much you have printed ? ie , over 18 month period , how much per day / week / month ? Not really , it ' s not something I keep tabs on as I print . . I would suppose I would average 3 - 4 pages of text per week and probably 1 - 2 pages of full colour A4 pages per week over the period of time . User # 104819 4205 posts fwdoz whrl . pl / R9q0Q posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 5 : 43 pm AEST Print head life is linked to your printing habits . A print head will clog up if you dont print often enough , or go through a period of not printing . The print head cant let ink through once blocked . They can also overheat when clogged with dried ink . User # 19063 3954 posts inside info whrl . pl / R9q27 posted 2007 - Apr - 3 , 5 : 54 pm AEST OP said : - the carriage will not move and a grinding noise is heard turn printer up side down and shake the crap out of it , might be a loose pen or some random bit floating around a dud print head will still move , just wont put out . Archive View Return to standard view Forums Archive Peripherals How Long Should A Print Head Last ? 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http://forums.xfinity.com/t5/Billing/Broadcast-TV-Fee/td-p/2671674 | dudu1 New Poster 01 - 07 - 2016 11 : 45 AM Broadcast TV Fee Well , I have been charged $ 5 for Broadcast TV fee which i do n ' t even set up or used . And i called customer service and the lady kept talking that there ' s nothing she can do about that and i will be charged $ 5 or more monthly . Imagine that you gonna pay that extra $ 5 Braodcast TV fee ! ! ! what can i do for that ? 0 Likes Again Expert 01 - 07 - 2016 06 : 25 PM Re : Broadcast TV Fee Pretty much everyone on cable tv pays the Broadcast TV fee , and it ' s not just particular to Comcast . Broadcast stations [ your local stations ] charge the cable companies fees to carry their programs . In turn , cable companies pass those fees along to the customers . All cable tiers carry the broadcast channels . So , basically , yes , you ' ll be paying that $ 5 Broadcast TV fee . I am not a Comcast Employee . I am a Customer Expert volunteering my time to help other customers here in the Forums . We ask that you post publicly so people with similar questions may benefit from the conversation . Was your question answered ? Mark the post as Best Answer ! 0 Likes CCJoy Valued Contributor 06 : 45 PM Re : Broadcast TV Fee Dear dudu1 , Again is correct about this fee and here is more information about it . The Broadcast TV Fee is an itemized charge on your bill that is intended to offset of the rising costs of retransmitting broadcast television signals . Broadcast stations are allowed by the government to charge for their signals , and cable providers like Comcast are required by law to carry those signals and pay substantial fees to broadcasters . In recent years , our cost to retransmit broadcast television signals has more than doubled , and this itemized charge will make it clearer for you to I am a Retired Official Comcast Employee . I no longer actively support the Xfinity Forum . We ask that you post publicly so people with similar questions may benefit from the conversation . Was your question answered ? Mark a post as the Best Answer ! 2 BruceW Gold Problem Solver 01 - 08 - 2016 10 : 01 AM ComcastJoy wrote : . . . cable providers like Comcast are required by law to carry those signals . . . No matter how many times Comcast reps post this lie misinformation , it ' s still a lie misinformation . Comcast is NOT " required by law " to carry broadcast stations if those stations demand payment for their signals . Carrying such stations is a CHOICE , not a legal requirement . Comcast has an army of lawyers , why not ask one of them about this ? 2 hrichardson0 Regular Visitor 01 - 23 - 2016 03 : 06 AM The whole thing appears to be backwards . Broadcast companies charge cable companies to carry their signals . To cover that , Comcast charges me a $ 5 monthly fee . But broadcast companies make money from using producers who find advertisers to pay for the programs with retail advertising revenue . . . Cable programmers ( HBO , ESPN , SHO etc ) do n ' t have retail ads . They charge cable companies to carry their programs and Comcast charges me for that . OK . . When I use a taxi to carry me somewhere , I pay the cab company ( or driver ) . Since broadcast companies derive revenue from program ads , they should be paying Comcast to carry their signals , not the other way around ! Do I have the right facts or not ? CCJoy Valued Contributor 01 - 23 - 2016 10 : 04 AM hrichardson0 , Here is some information I came across that was posted by ComcastZach : Federal law allows local U.S. broadcast television stations ( i.e. , affiliates of networks such as CBS , NBC , ABC , Fox , etc . ) to negotiate with cable & satellite providers in order to obtain " consent " to carry their broadcast signals ( Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992 ) . As a direct result of local broadcast , or " network - affiliated , " TV stations increasing the rates to cable & satellite providers to distribute their signals to their customers , the providers will be passing those charges on as a Broadcast TV Surcharge or Fee . These local TV signals were historically made available to the providers at no cost , or low cost . However , in recent years the prices demanded by local broadcast TV stations have necessitated that the providers pass these costs on to customers . Broadcast TV stations distribute their signals over the air , using free spectrum granted to them by the federal government . In effect , taxpayers are subsidizing the distribution of broadcast , or " network - affiliated , " TV signals . These same broadcast TV stations are then allowed by the government to charge the providers for their signals . If the cable or satellite provider does n ' t agree to pay , broadcasters can force the provider to drop their channels , thereby adversely impacting the providers customers . Broadcast stations have the option of requiring cable & satellite providers to carry their stations for no monthly fee , or opting to negotiate a charge to cable & satellite providers for the right to carry their station . While there may still be some stations that do not demand payment from the providers for carriage , other local TV stations require significant payment from the providers , and it is their charges that are reflected in the Broadcast TV Surcharge or Fee . If you have any further questions or concerns , please let us know and we will be happy to assist . I am a Retired Official Comcast Employee . I no longer actively support the Xfinity Forum . We ask that you post publicly so people with similar questions may benefit from the conversation . Was your question answered ? Mark a post as the Best Answer ! hrichardson0 Regular Visitor 11 : 11 AM Thanks but I already read that post . It says what is happening but not why . Does n ' t address my statement that local broadcast network TV stations make money from ads and charge cable companies for something that costs them nothing . It appears that Comcast charges its customers for unexplained broadcast TV networks ' production costs even though Comcast provides the networks a free service by relaying their signals to its customers . Normally viewers get those signals over the air for free . I want to know why the law allows local broadcast TV stations to charge Comcast for their signals . when the TV spectrums are free and Comcast is doing the heavy lifting for the networks by relaying their signals to us customers . Does Comcast also make money from the network TV ads ? If not then I would expect Comcast to serve its customers ' best interests by challenging the section of the Cable Communications Act of 1992 that forces Comcast to pay local network TV stations to provide their signals for free or negotiate rates between them . 1 Like bobTeatow Contributor 02 - 05 - 2016 07 : 45 PM Re : Broadcast TV Fee $ FIVE FREAKING BUCKS NOW ! Okay , I just noticed . The Freaking " Broadcast " Fee has recently been upped to FIVE FREAKING BUCKS . Yeah , I ' m late to the party but LET ME REGISTER MY PROTEST ! This is a B.S. Fee . I signed up for a $ 69 / month plan . Which was $ 78 after they slapped on various fees of their own design + then some tax . Now it ' s $ 80 . Okay I knew when I signed up I ' d be paying some fees and taxes on top of the adverstised cool $ 69 , the $ 78 was surprising , but heh , Comcast is a monopoly . Especially in my neighborhood , where the phone company ca n ' t even give me 1Mbps DSL . ( I asked , they sent me a modem and literally laughed at me when I asked why it did n ' t work ! That ' s right I got 0Mpbs . Turns out the DSLAM is 3 miles down the road and the copper is old with who knows how many bad splices so tough luck charlie - - yeah Frontier bought them out but has not made any upgrades in the Danbury - Bethel area of CT . Meet the new boss , same as the old boss . . . ) BUT my Comcast bill should n ' t go up just " because " - - it would be one thing if the Govt raised taxes and Comcast passed that along . But the $ 5 and other fees , they just make up and I guess slip them by the state utillity regulators , who are no doubt in their pockets anyhow . Do n ' t be telling me about the Networks , blah , blah , blah - - - it ' s all a ripoff - those network stations are " free to air " still , so the whole cable system is rotten , stupid for paying any ransom to the networks . Yeah this has been going on for years . . . Boo hoo for the local stations . . . no not really , those locals are mostly owned by big corporations these days and they pay off Congress or whoever they need to . . . And heck , does n ' t Comcast own NBC anyhow ? If I could cancel out the broadcast stations I would . But I have a freaking $ 69 bundle . But heh , that $ 69 does n ' t include the $ 5 , so why ca n ' t I cancel the broadcast stations - - - I ' d love to . . . More crud that I never watch anyhow . Get a clue - - I watch just about everything over the Comcast Internet service . I only got the " bundle " because that was the cheapest way at the time to get both Internet and HBO . . . . So what do I want ? Honest pricing . And real competition . $ 69 should be $ 69 and should stay fixed for the life of the contract . If you ca n ' t do it for $ 69 , then quote me $ 79 and stick to it ! Of course if there were some real competition that $ 69 would probably be $ 39 . Why do I put up with it ? Okay , you got me . I have to admit Comcast Internet at about 100Mbps is pretty good and I do need at least a few Mbps to run my home office , and earn my paycheck , so I can buy groceries , pay the mortgage , and of course the darned cable bill . 3 CCElena Problem Solver 02 - 06 - 2016 01 : 29 AM Re : Broadcast TV Fee $ FIVE FREAKING BUCKS NOW ! Hi bobTeatow , I apologize for the frustration you are experiencing with the bill . In January of this year certain fees like Universal Connectivity fee , Regulatory Recovery Fee , Broadcast TV Fee , Regional Sports fee , State communication service tax , Local communication service tax have increased . In December ' s monthly statement you will find more information regarding the current price increase . The service price did not change . You are still receiving the Service discount . Please let us know if you have any additional questions or concerns . Again Expert 02 - 17 - 2016 06 : 04 PM Moved : Moved : https : / / forums . xfinity . com / t5 / Removed - Posts / Re - Broadcast - TV - Fee / m - p / 2702768 # U2702768 Post removed for spamming the forums in violation of Forum Guidelines . eugeneporter New Poster 02 - 27 - 2016 11 : 52 AM I think the real problem everyone is having is not that the services cost money , but when we signed up for the service at $ 40 / mo or whatever and then it ' s ACTUALLY $ 47 / mo and we have no say in that , then there ' s a problem . I feel ripped off . I will pay for a service , but it is dishonest to advertise a price then charge something else . But also , the fee is a joke . I just want internet . That ' s all I use . I do not appreciate my rates going up for something I do not use . 1 Like 02 - 28 - 2016 02 : 32 PM Moved : Moved : https : / / forums . xfinity . com / t5 / Removed - Posts / Re - Broadcast - TV - Fee / m - p / 2709633 # U2709633 Post removed for circumventing the language filter in violation of the Forum Guidelines . bobTeatow Contributor 02 - 28 - 2016 04 : 42 PM Heh . Apology is nice , but a real apology would be a refund . This fee is not a tax . It is a number that comcast makes up to add to my bill , after it is done " negotiating " for retransmission fees with the other giant corporations that own the local tv stations . The whole idea of a retransmission fee is just plain wrong - but we lost that argument several times - it has been contested . Does n ' t make it morally correct . Does n ' t make it logical . Does n ' t make it ethical . Does n ' t make it common sense . Anyhow even given it is what it is , once the customer signs a contract for a fixed price - the fixed price ought to stay the same for the length of the contract . The assertion that comcast is paying more for retransmission is n ' t my problem . . . It ' s the same as if you agree to mow my lawn every week for a fixed price for a set number of months . If it rains more or less or the price of fuel goes up or down - - does n ' t matter - we had a deal that you would mow my lawn every week for a fixed price . . . See ? Same . Same . Same . YEAH , now I ' m sure Comcast is " smarter " than that . The fixed price is n ' t really fixed . Down in the fine print there is no doubt a clause that says certain fees are subject to change . . . blah blah blah . . . That is unethical , because those fees are mostly under the control of Comcast ! Rather than just pass along retransmission fees , Comcast could eat them out of profits , or do what Dish Network does - - fight back and re - negotiate for lower But if they are not retransmitted , then those adverts are worth that much less to the advertisers , and they local could n ' t charge as much for them , so the locals would make less money . But those greedy locals transmit " free to air " the same content with the same commercials ( Let ' s leave aside Cable ad inserts for the moment . . . ) If I put up a community antenna and make it easier for you to receive those local stations - - I am doing a favor for those The Cable Company and the Local Stations are really scratching each others ' back and then charging the customers for the privilege ! ! brian18 03 - 14 - 2016 06 : 41 PM if I have " agreed " to a 24 - month contract with the broadcast channels as part of the " bundle service " how does Comcast have the right to raise Broadcast Fees or add Regional Sports Fee ; both were part of the original bundle ? the agreement was the pricing will stay the same for the term of the contract ; Comcast just add a line item to increase the pricing . 3 CCDemarqui Problem Solver 03 - 14 - 2016 06 : 58 PM Hi Brian18 The Regional Sports Fee is an itemized charge on your bill that is intended to offset a portion of the costs of broadcasting multiple regional sports networks to our standard video services . This fee is a result of higher costs due to contractual obligations requiring us to offer multiple regional sports networks to our standard XFINITY TV services . The Regional Sports Fee is not based on if you ' re watching the sporting events or not , but rather that those sporting channels are available in the package you subscribe to . The Broadcast TV Fee recovers a Yukkiyu 03 - 17 - 2016 06 : 25 PM Do Comcast injects their own Ads insted of the broadcast stations ? If so , Comcast service area targeted Ads revenues should pay for all . Brocasters are requiring part of the loss in revenues for the amount of monies they are lossing by Comcast targeted Ads . CAboomer 03 - 25 - 2016 12 : 09 PM I keep reading - by commentators and by COMCAST reps alike - that the broadcasters charge fees for cable companies utilizing their signals . I do n ' t see any reference to those customers who do not want broadcast programs . I get HBO with COMCAST , and have NetFlix and Amazon Prime . That ' s . All . I . Want . Does n ' t that mean I do n ' t need NBC content and therefore should n ' t have to pay for NBC to provide COMCAST with their signal ? CCElena 03 - 25 - 2016 01 : 52 PM Hi CAboomer , I apologize for the issue you experiencing with the bill . The Broadcast TV Fee is an itemized charge on your bill that is intended to offset a portion of the costs of retransmitting broadcast television signals . Broadcast stations have the right to charge for their signals , and cable providers like Comcast end up paying substantial fees in order to carry them . In recent years , our cost to retransmit broadcast television signals has more than doubled , and this itemized charge will make it clearer for you to see the factors that are driving price changes DavidDafish 03 - 27 - 2016 11 : 12 AM That is a great answer and somewhat makes sense if the provider needs additional funds in order to have their signal / program transmited . I only have a internet connection with comcast , I am absolutly not interested in the provider ' s television or whatever other advertising / propoganda is being transmitted by them . In fact I do n ' t even own a television . Should I still pay someone $ 5 for no reception / transmission service ? What if I had no relationship with Comcast or any other provider , should I still be required to pay $ 5 because the provider is having to pay the transmission fee ? The only reason Comcast is able to charge me $ 5 is because I have an account with them that allows them to add this ' fee ' . Should I not pay this extortion ' fee ' I will probably end - up with bad credit , and eventually in jail . Now that is what you call a free market system . May the greed overtake your health . Bosanceros Frequent Visitor 04 - 02 - 2016 11 : 17 PM When I see the revenues that Comcast is generating it does not look to me that you are saving us anything . You give people analog box that convert digital signals to analog signals and then you charge them rental fees . Secondly you offer people packages that include basic channels , for free , so you can charge them extra $ 5 on broadcasting fee . Thirdly your new X1 box is total scam . You are not allowing people to turn off boxes through remote controls ? Reason ? It is not that box need updates but it joe122 06 - 11 - 2016 05 : 57 PM I called comcast today to complain about the extra charges that are added to the bill . I was told that it was a tax . IT IS NOT A TAX , it is a fee charged by Comcast . They are charging us an extra $ 8 per month , without giving us any additional services . I believe we have a class action lawsuit waiting to happen . joe122 06 - 11 - 2016 06 : 07 PM In recent years , our cable bill has more than doubled , even without the added fees . 06 : 17 PM I ' ll say it again : Once the customer signs a contract for a fixed price - the fixed price ought to stay the same for the length of the contract . The assertion that comcast is paying more for retransmission is n ' t my problem . . . It ' s the same as if you agree to mow my lawn every week for a fixed price for a set number of months . If it rains more or less or the price of fuel goes up or down - - does n ' t matter - we had a deal that you would mow my lawn every week for a fixed price . . . ComcastPhill Official Employee 06 - 12 - 2016 04 : 05 PM Hi Joe122 , I apologize with the your frustration with the fees like others have stated above The Broadcast TV Fee is an itemized charge on your bill that is intended to offset a portion of the costs of retransmitting broadcast television signals . Thank you I am an Official Comcast Employee . Official Employees are from multiple teams within Comcast : CARE , Product , Leadership . We ask that you post publicly so people with similar questions may benefit from the conversation . Was your question answered ? Mark the post as Best Answer ! davidnoyb Frequent Visitor 06 - 28 - 2016 01 : 38 PM This fee is bs . I was not told about this fee when I signed up for cable tv . I also was not told about the increase until I aw it on my b ill . . I signed up for a fixe price . Comcast has renigged on that price . CCMatthew 06 - 28 - 2016 02 : 03 PM Hello davidnoyb , The Broadcast TV Fee will increase periodically to defray a portion of the real increases in the cost of retransmission imposed by broadcasters . Our competitors such as AT&T U - verse , Charter , Cox , Time Warner Cable , Verizon FiOS and WOW also charge this type of fee . If you have any more questions or concerns please reach back out . 05 : 51 PM @ davidnoyb wrote : This fee is bs . I was not told about this fee when I signed up for cable tv . I also was not told about the increase until I aw it on my b ill . . I signed up for a fixe price . Comcast has renigged on that price . Your " fixed " price is for the package , but you might also have a promotion with that package . If / when the promotion ends , your package price may increase . Fees , surcharges and taxes are not included in your package price and can increase at any time ; Comcast has no control over those charges . I am not a Comcast Employee . I am a Customer Expert volunteering my time to help other customers here in the Forums . We ask that you post publicly so people with similar questions may benefit from the conversation . BruceW Gold Problem Solver 06 : 51 PM Again wrote : . . . Fees , surcharges and taxes are not included in your package price and can increase at any time ; Comcast has no control over those charges . Comcast certainly has control over many of the fees it charges , like the Broadcast TV fee . It decides on and sets that fee and others . davidnoyb 06 - 29 - 2016 02 : 41 PM I know these people are comcast employees , but they need to get a clue . this will make more and more people leave comcast . Hidden anb unknown fees that keep increasing and comcast spouts bs that they dont control them . fjw123 07 - 01 - 2016 08 : 00 PM This broadcast fee is wrong and they know it . They also add this sports fee . . . .I am not a sports fan and do not watch sports of any kind . Yet we are forced to pay these outlanish prices . Cable company . . . . . .be honest . . . . show what local channels in my area charges . I pay for cable I must be stupid because anything after 2 : 00AM is info commercials on the majority of channels . Some channels with the same infro commercial . When complaining to cable representatives they say they have no control over the channels and what they show . Then why carry them ? They pay the cable company to show their program . WE pay for programming not commercials . Ever watch those movie channels and how every five minute there is a commercial . . . .it is not right . . . . .a movie that persephone1983 Regular Contributor 07 - 03 - 2016 09 : 17 PM The Broadcast TV Fee will increase periodically to defray a portion of the real increases in the cost of retransmission imposed by broadcasters . Our competitors such as AT&T U - verse , Charter , Cox , Time Warner Cable , Verizon FiOS and WOW also charge this type of fee . If you have any more questions or concerns please reach back out . Not true . I recently moved and unfortunately no longer can get FiOS but they do not charge this fee . Claiming that they do - - and that it somehow makes it ok for Comcast to lie about their price - - is wrong . Seen you use this bad logic before , ComcastMatthew , and two wrongs do n ' t make a right . Someone mentioned class action , something I recently learned and am glad I did , Comcast forces everyone into arbitration agreements and conveniently exempts themselves from being sued , unless you opt out within 30 days of signing up for Comcast . WWW . COMCAST . COM / ARBITRATIONOPTOUT It ' s buried deep in the user agreement ( line 13d ) but more people need to know this . And I could n ' t agree more with the lawn mowing example . They ' ve line item given themselves a way to change prices at any time without notice or care . Not to mention falsely advertising a price only to blame someone else for getting what they really charge ( 22 % increase due only to junk fees ) anyway . eraym 07 - 04 - 2016 08 : 50 PM I have always thought the rebroadcast " fees " to be a very underhanded way of the networks to add net profit without net cost . In other words , without doing anything different they up their fee by 50 cents per month per subscriber to all cable or satellite service providers and immediately see a jump of millions of dollars in net profit per month . What did it cost them - the fees they paid their lawyers to get the increase . The original reason for allowing the fees related to a fear that cable and satellite service providers might put local stations out of business and the local news would go with that . So the fees were an attempt to allow networks to get some additional revenue that could be used to offset the loss of revenue due to loss of viewers and that revenue could then be used by the network to run the news departments . Unfortunately big business actually run all the " local " stations and in recent years the revenue generated has not stopped at the local level , but has been forwarded to the corporate level . . . And at the same time those corporations have cut the local news staffs . . . I also wonder just how much negotiating Comcast does with the NBC network to keep the rebroadcast fee down when it derives direct revenue from those fees as the owners of NBC . And finally with the advent of digital broadcasts we have seen a substantial increase in advertising . Not only are there the expected ad intermissions but we see digital ads on the screen almost every second ! If we are PAYING for the broadcast ca n ' t we expect a reduced amount of ads ? The obvious answer is NO . There has been a fight over releasing just what some of these rebroadcast fees are . Everyone seems to want to see actual numbers . With private companies paying to private companies it has been regarded as a trade secret of sorts and rarely are the actual numbers ever seen by those outside of the negotiations . But , locally a cable company owned by a tax payer funded entity ( PUD ) was having the same issues as Dish and others have had in trying to negotiate fees they consider more acceptable ( lower ) and that whole issue generated a taxpayer request for records . The local PUD said they could not provide the information as it was not allowed to by the contracts they signed . But being a taxpayer funded entity at heart , the local paper said you are required by law to turn over the information if requested . That started I ' m not saying paying an extra $ 10 per month is fair or right or anything ( I hate paying more for what I consider " free " just as much as anyone does ) but it does shed light on how the industry works and where the money goes . Here are a couple links to newspaper articles related to what was released here . Appeals court sides with The News Tribune in cable contracts case After 2 - year fight , Tacoma releases records confirming huge fee hikes by broadcasters ( hopefully you can open these links and read them , but not sure ) jimgardner1 09 - 21 - 2016 09 : 37 AM The problem I have Mr or Mrs " not a comcast employee " , is this is deceptive business practice . If you say the package is 59.99 then it should be 59.99 , not 59.99 plus a 5 dollar " fee " , that I need to do my business . When you say the package is 59.99 plus taxes and fees , that means in customary language that the taxes and fees are regulatory fees per the fcc and state , federal and local taxes , not a 10 % secret premium increase to get more money for jwheeler1004 09 - 29 - 2016 01 : 37 AM theft by deception ? jwheeler1004 09 - 29 - 2016 01 : 40 AM hahah why dont you CON cast folks just make it easy on your selves and just copy and paste what the last rep said jim97006 11 - 04 - 2016 04 : 43 PM My broadcast fee went from $ 3.75 to $ 6.50 ( 73 % increase ) . They also increased the franchise from $ 0.94 to $ 1.01 ( 7 % increase ) . My bill listed only one of these increases , the smaller franchise fee . The larger broadcast fee increase was not even mentioned . I was annoyed that the price went up . I was far more annoyed that no reason was given for the bulk of the increase . Now my " $ 69.99 package " costs $ 78.58 . And they ' re surprised when we complain . persephone1983 Regular Contributor 12 - 17 - 2016 07 : 28 PM LOL now effective 12 / 20 Broadcast TV Fee will be $ 7.00 monthly ( 40 % increase ) , Regional Sports Fee will be $ 3.50 monthly ( 17 % increase ) , so now the " advertised price " is $ 10.50 more FOR NOTHING DIFFERENT IN SERVICE and NO way to avoid the " fees " ( translation : cost of service ) . I stopped coming to this board when I was chased off once before for speaking the truth , and probably wo n ' t come back again , but look what XFINITY is doing to us . Chained to a contract with prices of made - up fees " subject to change " and now they are stealing another $ 42 from me every year I am chained to their ridiculously biased contracts . Sorry your costs went up , Comcast . Sorry WE HAD A CONTRACT . Sorry you ca n ' t make as much profit off of us as you wanted . But my disdain for you only grows the more you itemize out YOUR overhead costs onto us , the consumer . What a joke . Bosanceros 01 - 11 - 2017 01 : 42 AM It ' s time to call you goverment representatives . We should start petition and take these idiots to court like other states have done . . . . Comcast is beginning to terrorize their costumers . I switched off my TV because of these fd up tactics they use . They just increased plans $ 5 all across . It ' s time to regulate these idiots because they really deserve it . Talk to your goverment officials , town official , start petition . . . . Comcast is un - American corporation , have no morals and BobTeatow2 01 - 11 - 2017 09 : 17 AM Broadcast TV Fee $ SEVEN FREAKING BUCKS NOW ! Same arguments , all the more so . And to add insult to injury - - Even though my account at my summer house is on " seasonal " - - Comcast and I agree that I am not using it until at least April - - they are charging me $ 8 to hold the account open + the $ 7 broadcast fee ! ! Even if Comcast is the only game in town - - I think for many of us who can live without " reality " TV and other garbage on the 100 channels you never watch - - we ' re better off with OTA ( antenna ) and / or Netflix and / or one of the other streaming services and / or Redbox . F___ Comcast ! Applefanman 11 : 36 AM Broadcast TV fee - $ 5 Regional sports fee $ 3 I never agreed to these and , I assumed the additional amount was taxes because I had gone paperless . I was never informed of these charges Franchise Fee - ranges from $ 3 - 5 PEG Access Support - ranges from $ .71 - 1.10 These 2 fees change from bill to bill . I have no idea how they are priced , but they should not be changing each bill . . . .That is very suspricious . Again a charge I never agreed to or even knew about . There is a class action lawsuit against comcast . I will not give my money to this company anymore . This is blatant fraud . BobTeatow2 11 : 52 AM non obvious Fees and taxes " Paperless " is not a problem . You can download and view PDFs of all your bills for the last 12 or more months . Read ' em and weep . Ca n ' t change them , but you can see how the various bogus fees , taxes , add - ons you did n ' t realize you " agreed to " add up . 01 - 13 - 2017 06 : 12 PM No one is increasing anything . . . that is total nonsense . . . show me the bill ? Show me that you fee went up 40 % ? You cant 01 - 13 - 2017 Yup , now I feel worse ! 7 / 5 = 1.40 . . . a 40 % increase in that single fee . I ' m not making this stuff up . If you ' re in another marketing zone , your fees may be different - - but they ' re all headed in the same direction : up ! Even if you thought you had a fixed rate contract - Comcast writes those " contracts " - so that they can change the fees anytime they feel like it . . . These are not taxes or DRGA 01 - 18 - 2017 12 : 00 PM Comcast has snow raidsed the broadacast TV fee by 40 % in one fell swoop . It ' s now $ 7 per month - - at least until they raise it again . 01 - 18 - 2017 02 : 14 PM Re : Broadcast TV Fee - - cut it ! I believe that IF you stick to Comcast Internet only service - - then you " only " pay the internet fee . I ' m getting along just fine in my winter house with 25Mbps Internet only service . Just for fun I hooked up a $ 10 rabbit ear style antenna and get a dozen or so honest - to - goodness " Broadcast " Over - the - air stations absolutely for free . Streaming ( Amazon , Netflix , YouTube , etc . ) over internet works fine , even for two ( maybe more ! ) separate streams . . . And if you have a choice of internet providers - - then you can dump Comcast when the bill gets too high - - In my new neighborhood we have a choice AT&T or Comcast - - They are BOTH terrible companies ! ! Yikes . So I intend to just look for the best deal and switch back and forth , if necessary , . . . AT&T claims to do 24Mbps . . . If you can stick with just internet + OTA - - then DO NOT let Comcast " con you with the line " for only $ 10 more you can have all these TV stations and cable channels - without an antenna . . . " BECAUSE to the $ 10 you will find the Broadcast Fee ( $ 7 ) + Cable Box rental fees + misc fees , taxes , assorted BS . . . and soon you ' re paying way more than you thought you " bargained " for . nsutterby 02 - 20 - 2017 02 : 46 PM This whole thing is crazy to me , my fees just increaded to $ 7 / montly for " Broadcast TV Fee " which is absurd ! Why not offer it as an option , the same as Dish Network did , where I used to live . You paid an extra $ 5 / monthly to get all your local market channels delivered to you in HD without an off - air antenna . The whole thing just makes me sick that we are FORCED into paying for something we do n ' t always want or need . Please , sign me up for the class action lawsuit I think every customer should be able to join . . . floogen6 03 - 12 - 2017 12 : 55 AM Re : Broadcast TV Fee - - cut it ! Well I am going to call and find out because I only have Internet and Home through Xfinity yet I am still getting gigged for both the Broadcast and RSN charges which is $ 12 . . . .when I down graded to Internet and Home only I was quoted $ 114.89 plus tax . . . .New bill $ 154 . . . $ 40 worth of fees and taxes . . . .and the State TV Sales tax went up ( granted only about . .20 but still . . . ) . . .I will let you 03 - 12 - 2017 12 : 52 PM I ' m all for more lawsuits and regulations against Comcast . But the reality is they are HUGEly powerful , and they have no problem spending huge amounts of money to lobby ( bribe ! ) congressmen and the FCC , to write the laws and rules to make things like the " broadcast tv fee " completely legal ! Thank goodness there still are some choices . The simplest is to CANCEL any TV subscription services you currently have that include the Broadcast fee . If you have or can have an antenna system that works for you , great , use it . Even if you do n ' t you can choose the most cost effective internet provider and then buy the video services you want . . . Personally , I do n ' t regularly watch any of the regular network or local programming - - so the heck with that . I do use Amazon video for movies . . . both prime subscription and ala carte rentals . Plenty of news , of all ilks available , both text and video on various websites and youtube , much for " free " , some via subscriptions . . . If you really want the standard cable channel content - there are now several " over the top " ( Internet streaming ) services - - so have at it . . . CCElliot 02 : 21 PM Hello Floogen6 , I have looked into your bill for you , as you expressed concern about being charged for the Broadcast TV fee even though you do not have cable service . I see that you just recently dropped the cable service , and the most current bill does not yet reflect that change . On this particular bill , the cable service is still listed , which is the reason why you are still seeing the Broadcast TV Fee . The changes will reflect on your next bill , and you will see prorated credits from the change . If you ktb1025 03 - 24 - 2017 10 : 49 AM $ 7 Broadcast TV Fee AND I DO N ' T EVEN USE THE BOX I ' d like to know why it is that I ' m being charged a $ 7 monthly fee for broadcast services . Currently , my subscription includes basic tv & internet . I only subscribed to this package because it ' s cheaper than internet alone . Go figure ! Anyway , I completely disconnected my set top box and would like to return it , since I no longer feel the need to use it after Comcast advised me that they ' re going to charge me an HD ( high definition ) fee , I do n ' t need or want the desk top box . I do n ' t need or want basic tv service . In fact , I get better signal using my " OTA " ( over the air ) antenna . Better signal , more consistent picture quality , not rendered down whatsoever like Comcast does . A TRUE digital signal FOR FREE ! So , why am I paying a digital broadcast fee if I ; m not using COMCAST as the go between anymore ? Let me drop off my box , keep my internet , and get on with my life . I feel like I ' m being nickel and dimed to death over here . You do n ' t provide me with my digital programming , so do n ' t try to assess me for it . Not fair at all . Previous 1 2 Next All forum topics Previous Topic Next Topic Visit Our Help Communities facebook . com / xfinity @ comcastcares forums . xfinity . com r / comcast_xfinity | [
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The internet service promotion ad for new customers says , " Comcast ’ s current monthly service charges for the advertised services range from $ 42.95 to $ 59.95 . " So did the representative lie to me 0 Likes CCCarole Gold Problem Solver 12 - 26 - 2010 06 : 05 PM Re : Internet alone is same price as internet and TV bundle ? Is it true ? @ Cavewoman wrote : I have internet / TV bundle but I do n ' t watch TV any longer so I called the customer service to cancel TV service . Then I was told that internet alone cost the same as internet / TV bundle . Is it true ? I ' m currently paying $ 49.95 for internet and $ 64.99 for TV . The internet service promotion ad for new customers says , " Comcast ’ s current monthly service charges for the advertised services range from $ 42.95 to $ 59.95 . " So did the representative lie to me I would suggest callng back & speaking with another Rep . Possibly the one you spoke with misunderstood ? Pricing differs in different areas of the country , but Internet alone is usually about $ 10 more per month if you only have that one service . ( meaning only Internet ) Hope this helps . Need Email Help ? Please post the following information in your post . Do you use XfinityConnect ? The Full or Lite version ? Do you use an email client ? Which one ? ( Eg ; Windows Live mail , Outlook , a smartphone etc . ) Which browser / version do you use ? And - have you cleared your browser cache ? Which operating system ? XP , Vista , Windows 7 , Mac OS X Details of the problem you are having . 0 Likes madylarian Bronze Problem Solver 12 - 27 - 2010 12 : 31 AM Re : Internet alone is same price as internet and TV bundle ? Is it true ? Keep in mind , too , that if you have promotional bundle you are getting both services at significant discounts . Discontinuing one of the services would mean you wo n ' t continue to get the bundle discount . mady Barmar Silver Problem Solver 12 - 27 - 2010 10 : 22 AM But cavewoman quoted separate prices for TV and Internet , so it does n ' t look like she ' s using a promotional bundle . Those look like the normal base prices for the two services . davegreen Regular Contributor 01 - 01 - 2011 02 : 52 PM What may be causing the confusion is the level of TV service . In the area I live in it is cheaper to have TV and Internet , but only if you pick the limited basic . Not easy to find any reference to this , but I believe it is mandated by whoever ( FCC ? ) to provide limited basic which is just the local channels . ( 25 channels where I live ) . In my case it ’ s $ 4 cheaper a month to have both , even at the new 2011 rates . You should have or will get a new rate sheet since they raised all the rates , at least in my area . Maybe not in your area , if not call them and ask for the limited basic rate and internet with TV rate , it may be cheaper and you still will have the local stations plus some . willspy4u Frequent Visitor 01 - 02 - 2013 06 : 06 PM An older post , but still valid : YES , this is basically how they ' screw customers ' into " keeping TV . " They CLAIM that it helps keep the costs down , by force - feeing you TV that you do n ' t need . I have performance bundle , and the TV part is only 50 cents extra vs . just the Internet alone ( yes , I have ' basic , non - digital , non - high - def , ' but my digital TVs make the signal near - HD , clean digital anyway , so I do n ' t really need or care to have ' digital starter ' nor ' HD . ' Maybe , some day I would n ' t mind having those , but I get most content elsewhere - which is " the way So , AT&T and Comcast saw the ' streaming trend , ' and decided , " Hey , let ' s cap this , and force them to still watch content via TV ; because if they go over the cap , BOOM ! HUGE FEES start to pile up . " But as more and more people to go " streaming - only , " Comcast and AT&T will " lick up the gravy ( $ $ ) " and still get mega - dollars for basically a lot of the same content . The ones that really killed it were the " script - kiddies " and " streaming weenies " and , of course , the DILBERTS that just HAVE to " stream TV / movies on their PHONES . " Really ? ! I really want to watch a movie or TV show with A MAGNIFYING GLASS ! Granted , even small screens are very high - def , but still it ' s a GIMMICK people - wise up ! You ' re like Justin Bieber wearing his pants around his ankles to try to be " gangsta . " So , the ads by Radio Shack and others about " You can SAVE UP TO $ 795 per year by buying some streaming device " are VERY misleading . Rarely do you save that , due to the way Comcast forces ' bundles ' on the users . Supposedly , the TV part of mine is maybe considered $ 39.95 per month and the Internet is considered $ 49.95 per month ( something like that ) - yet , if I ' unbundle it ; ' the TV part " magically " is really only about 50 - 55 So , unbundled , I would pay , like 89.50 for JUST INTERNET - is n ' t THAT just some " magic accounting ? " Whereas , if I leave the basic cable TV in the bundle , I only pay like $ 89.95 . I mean , really , if we want to complain , I think these practices are very questionable , and you would have to go to FCC and maybe even FTC and BBB and register complaints . Bottom line , if you say I am paying $ 40 per month for my " TV service " then , if I cancel just the " TV service , " then my bill should decrease $ 40 per month - period ; end of story . I ' m sure some Comcast person will come on here and say , " We HAVE to do it this way , so that blah blah can be afforded and blah . " The only other choices really are AT&T and some of the satellite providers . Looks like it ' s about time for some " INTERNET - ONLY PROVIDERS " to spring back up and provide some REAL competition - especially with some of the new MEGA - HIGH - SPEED wireless specs that are almost completed ! Or , GOOGLE FIBER TO THE HOUSE ! Go GOOGLE ! miktoth New Poster 07 - 28 - 2013 09 : 29 AM I am paying $ 60 for internet and TV . I get just the basic channels , plus I added a sports package for 4.95 , which I may delete because it does n ' t really get any games . I used to have just internet for $ 30 a month . I wouldnt pay any more than this . I had n ' t had cable for 25 years because of the price . Maybe make them understand you will drop it and the price might drop . parker121 Regular Contributor 07 - 28 - 2013 10 : 43 AM Where are you located ? I have basic cable , blocked high definition , and the only speed available ( sometimes it ' s fast ) , and I pay $ 72 per month . I watch about 3 hours of TV a week , and I never stream video upload or download anything of any size . Comcast is my only choice , and they ' re way overpriced . I feel like they ' re robbing me every month . I hate them . parker121 10 : 48 AM They are going to make you pay the maximum they can get , so it depends on what else is available in your neighborhood . When Dish or Direct TV have a promotion , my basic cable TV is " free " with internet . When there ' s no competition , the TV has a price and the internet has a price . 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http://forums.zybez.net/topic/1222326-best-rangemage-pk-gear/ | Zybez RuneScape Community Forums Runescape Player Kills PK General Best Rangemage Pk Gear Started By Nemo Apr 15 2009 630 AM Please log in to reply 13 replies to this topic 1 Nemo Member Posts 81 Joined 02December 06 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Captain Nemo RS Status Member Posted 15 April 2009 630 AM What stats should I train before I go pking And what gear should I have I am going to be a rangemage but should I level up my defence to become a tank My stats are in my sig Thanks Edited by Nemo 15 April 2009 751 AM 0 2 Lukeage Thy Devourer Posts 1055 Joined 10October 08 Rating 5 1 5 RS Name Effluvia RS Status Member Posted 15 April 2009 641 AM Tanks are pretty decent up to you though If you decide to become tank you may as well just become a maxed one 99 range 94 mage 70 prayer 99 defence But if you stick with just a magerranger best get 90 range 94 mage 80 defence 60 prayer 70 is a lot better though 0 Ultimate P2P Combat Guide Levels 1 99 3 Jioxas Member Posts 2019 Joined 02March 07 Rating 5 0 5 RS Status Member Posted 15 April 2009 641 AM train range and mage if ur gona solo pk teleblock is useful if with a team a lvl 82 magic is enoughblitz pk with a rune crossbow with diamond bolts i think ur def is enough for now although lvl 80 wouldnt be bad 0 Mercedes GP Petronas Formula 1 Team Supporter Liverpool FC Supporter 4 Nemo Member Posts 81 Joined 02December 06 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Captain Nemo RS Status Member Posted 15 April 2009 702 AM What sort of armour should I wear Because things that give high range bonuses negate magic bonuses Is Ahrims a good bet 0 5 cook teh hat Member Posts 121 Joined 17July 08 Rating 5 2 5 RS Name cook teh hat RS Status Member Clan hall of skills Posted 15 April 2009 923 AM Nemo on Apr 15 2009 0605 AM said What sort of armour should I wear Because things that give high range bonuses negate magic bonuses Is Ahrims a good bet in my opinion mystic is good if your on a bit of a budget head frasier helm chest mystic top or ahrims top neck mage ammy or fury ammy legs black d hide chaps ahrims skirt or mystic skirt hands black d hide vamps boots mystic boots if your willing to spend the money ahrims is good try tele block entangle then mage bow rune c bow is good to finish of if you want Edited by cook teh hat 15 April 2009 924 AM 0 httpimg39imageshsplatterpngpng Image blocked please upload it at an approved host 6 Sumilidon12 Sumi Posts 2532 Joined 25July 07 Rating 5 3 5 RS Name Sumilidon12 RS Status Retired Posted 15 April 2009 925 AM Moved to PK General since youll probably get more indepth answers there Sumi 0 Former Community Leader of Questions and Money Making Former Community Leader of Events Former Senior Member Former Events Team Member Former Achievements Skilling Competition Staff 7 Kiimmen Member Posts 405 Joined 04January 09 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Kiimmen RS Status Member Posted 15 April 2009 1021 AM cook the hat on Apr 15 2009 0326 PM said Nemo on Apr 15 2009 0605 AM said What sort of armour should I wear Because things that give high range bonuses negate magic bonuses Is Ahrims a good bet in my opinion mystic is good if your on a bit of a budget head frasier helm chest mystic top or ahrims top neck mage ammy or fury ammy legs black d hide chaps ahrims skirt or mystic skirt hands black d hide vamps boots mystic boots if your willing to spend the money ahrims is good try tele block entangle then mage bow rune c bow is good to finish of if you want Mage ammy black d hide vamps rofl Im no master in tank gears but Im sure there are better options than these 0 httpimg843imageshackusimg84384870494156001286707460gif Image blocked please upload it at an approved host 8 Nemo Member Posts 81 Joined 02December 06 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Captain Nemo RS Status Member Posted 15 April 2009 1112 AM Okay I have used an equipment bonus calculator and have experimented a little So far Ive come up with this Helm Ahrims hood Body Ahrims robetop Legs Ahrims robeskirt Boots Snakeskin boots Cape Legends cape Amulet Glory ammy Hands Barrows gloves Ring Seers ring Weapon Crystal bowDark bowRune crossbow Which provides the following stats Attack bonus Defence bonus Other bonuses Stab 22 Stab 123 Strength 18 Slash 22 Slash 103 Range Strength 185 with crystal bow Crush 22 Crush 139 Prayer 3 Magic 68 Magic 79 Range 106 with crystal bow Range 22 Summoning 0 Apparently according to a max hit calculator this means I can hit up to 37 with 87 range wo prayer or pot with a crystal bow What do you guys think Could I do better than this 0 9 Nikua Usually right Posts 978 Joined 13April 07 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Valhaii RS Status Member Clan Excelsior Posted 15 April 2009 422 PM Dont use a crystal bow try magic shortbow and dark bow combo Also Id use mystic boots since a small mage increase is better than a small range increase You might also consider using a black dragonhide body when ranging and switch with the ahrims when maging because avas device does not work with ahrims Also that use avas not a legends cape I mean at least use a god cape but you dont want to have to bring like 100 bolts EDIT also there is no way youre hitting 37 seeing as dragon bolts have a ranged strength of like 119 I think youve got the range strength off Max with crystal is like 35 99 range void pot prayer Edited by Nikua 15 April 2009 425 PM 0 FIRST PK VID OUT CLICK HERE httpimg261imagesdruidessbj4png Image blocked please upload it at an approved host 99 Range on Aug 14 2008 KillDeath Ratio Currently 61 18833 10 Nvwls Member Posts 402 Joined 06March 08 Rating 5 1 5 RS Status Retired Posted 15 April 2009 639 PM Gear Helm Ahrims Body Ahrims Legs Ahrims Shield Mages BookZammy Book Boots InfinityWizardMysticSnakeskin boots Cape God CapeAccumulator Amulet Amulet of GloryFury Hands Barrows Gloves Ring Seers RingArchers Ring Weapon Ancient StaffMaster Wand Rune CrossbowMSB Strategy BarrageBlitz target switch to RCBMSB and range switch back to ancient staff when necessary to mage Switch prayers accordingly with attack style Goal Stats 70 attack strength at least no more than 148 combined if you want to be a true tank At least 50 attack for ability to wield ancient staff 70 defence preferably 85 90 range 94 magic 70 prayer Edited by I Promise ko 15 April 2009 644 PM 0 11 Khurite Member Posts 124 Joined 23July 08 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Konceal RS Status Free Posted 15 April 2009 702 PM Ive got a pure right now with 99 Hunter almost 97 and 20 defence No more stats I can fund for around 31M what kind of pure should I become to pk best 0 12 Nemo Member Posts 81 Joined 02December 06 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Captain Nemo RS Status Member Posted 16 April 2009 345 AM Nikua on Apr 15 2009 0925 PM said Dont use a crystal bow try magic shortbow and dark bow combo Just wondering why not use a crystal bow Seems better than a msb 0 13 Joshhh Im a Murderer Posts 3079 Joined 25April 06 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name iBeJosh RS Status Oldschool Posted 16 April 2009 414 AM Jioxas on Apr 15 2009 0544 AM said train range and mage if ur gona solo pk teleblock is useful if with a team a lvl 82 magic is enoughblitz pk with a rune crossbow with diamond bolts i think ur def is enough for now although lvl 80 wouldnt be bad No If you dont got barrage at like level 105 You should just be tanking Blitz is the failz 0 ITS A TRAP 14 Nikua Usually right Posts 978 Joined 13April 07 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Valhaii RS Status Member Clan Excelsior Posted 16 April 2009 1055 AM Nemo on Apr 16 2009 0348 AM said Nikua on Apr 15 2009 0925 PM said Dont use a crystal bow try magic shortbow and dark bow combo Just wondering why not use a crystal bow Seems better than a msb Because its two handed slow as a crossbow but doesnt hit as high Crossbows max what 20 damage higher and you get a shield MSB is good because its fast Thats about it 0 FIRST PK VID OUT CLICK HERE httpimg261imagesdruidessbj4png Image blocked please upload it at an approved host 99 Range on Aug 14 2008 KillDeath 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http://forums.zybez.net/topic/1264897-best-money-making-skill/ | Zybez RuneScape Community Forums Runescape Questions Money Making Marketplace Best Money Making Skill Started By Keep Varrock Jul 6 2009 142 PM 1 2 Please log in to reply 26 replies to this topic 1 Keep Varrock Diabetic Player Posts 92 Joined 14January 09 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Logstoburn RS Status Member Posted 06 July 2009 142 PM What skill will make you the most money in the long run 0 2 quickdeath The only thing to fear is fear itself Posts 1643 Joined 30September 06 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name quickdeath39 RS Status Member Team Aesta Posted 06 July 2009 143 PM From my own experience slayer will 0 3 Jack Midway Member Posts 1489 Joined 24December 08 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Jack Midway RS Status Member Clan Knights of Realm Posted 06 July 2009 145 PM Agreed at 60 the money starts being tremendous Also i consider slayer as training 4 skills at once cb skill hp slayer and summoning 0 Little Monster forever 3 4 Keep Varrock Diabetic Player Posts 92 Joined 14January 09 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Logstoburn RS Status Member Posted 06 July 2009 156 PM Alrighty do you think I should do slayer as a level 49 or is that too low of a level Also anyone else have any other money making skills they would like to share 0 5 Samii Member Posts 1339 Joined 12December 08 Rating 5 1 5 RS Status Oldschool Posted 06 July 2009 156 PM Hiya This is a Non Combat Skill Personally The best Skill to train for money is Runecrafting Please find my calculations below 4491 Runecrafting Natures 649677 X 237 153973449gp 4491 Runecrafting Pure Essense Cost 95502519gp Nature Costs take away the Essense cost is 58407000 Profit 9199 Runecrafting Natures 792401 X 237 187799037gp 9199 Runecrafting Pure Essense Cost 58241473gp Nature Costs take away the Essense cost is 129557564gp Profit The profit in getting 99 Runecrafting is 187964564gp All the prices i have used in my calculations are Current Grand exchange MAX prices Edited by SaM 06 July 2009 156 PM 0 6 pur3 str0ng2 Member Posts 1422 Joined 15June 08 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Pur3 str0ng2 RS Status Member Clan Poison Old CR Rank Posted 06 July 2009 159 PM Sam told what I was goiung to say Runecrafting but its the boring skill even tough I love it D Woodcutting Hunter Those You can get some good money from also Slayer also Alex 0 R A I D E R P R I D E Proud Ex Crimson Raiders Moderator for about 3Years RIP CR 2012 7 Keep Varrock Diabetic Player Posts 92 Joined 14January 09 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Logstoburn RS Status Member Posted 06 July 2009 206 PM Ok 2 for slayer and 2 for runecrafting Anyone want to break the tie 0 8 Shadowandy BaBa Boomkin Posts 6013 Joined 04December 06 Rating 5 4 5 RS Name Shadowandy RS Status Member Posted 06 July 2009 209 PM quote nameSaM 0 Questions Marketplace Leader 9 Mike Wazowski 20XX Posts 7607 Joined 06January 09 Rating 5 4 5 RS Name Vriska RS Status Member Clan Zchat Team Gold Star Posted 06 July 2009 248 PM gotta be runecrafting Its not very fast but it makes the most money by 99 huntings pretty good too that earns aroun 30M to 99 and is alot faster than runecrafting 0 Retired Global Moderator Retired Achievements Leader Retired Aotm Leader 10 Lab B203 Hai Posts 234 Joined 20October 08 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Lab B203 RS Status Member Clan Effigy Here Posted 06 July 2009 251 PM How long does 99 runecrafting generally take from 45 And Hunting is a good money maker since chins are almost 700 each Edited by tdude75 06 July 2009 252 PM 0 11 Shadowandy BaBa Boomkin Posts 6013 Joined 04December 06 Rating 5 4 5 RS Name Shadowandy RS Status Member Posted 06 July 2009 434 PM tdude75 on Jul 6 2009 0754 PM said How long does 99 runecrafting generally take from 45 Level 4599 Runecrafting is 12972919 XP You could get around 20k Runecrafting XP per hour on average not using ZMI 12972919 20k 649 Hours Youre looking at around 649 hours for Level 4599 Runecrafting However thats a good amount of profit all the way if youre not using ZMI 0 Questions Marketplace Leader 12 Samii Member Posts 1339 Joined 12December 08 Rating 5 1 5 RS Status Oldschool Posted 06 July 2009 437 PM Shadowandy on Jul 6 2009 0712 PM said SaM on Jul 6 2009 0659 PM said 9199 Runecrafting Natures 792401 X 237 187799037gp 9199 Runecrafting Pure Essense Cost 58241473gp Nature Costs take away the Essense cost is 129557564gp Profit The profit in getting 99 Runecrafting is 187964564gp All the prices i have used in my calculations are Current Grand exchange MAX prices You forgot to double the amount of Nature Runes you make from Level 9199 Runecrafting 187799037 2 375598074gp 375598074 58241473 317356601gp So you actually make around 3173mil from Level 9199 Runecrafting Wait are you sure You make 792401 Natures from 9199 So i took that in half to work out how many Rune Essense he needs 396200 X 147 58241473 Edited by SaM 06 July 2009 442 PM 0 13 Shadowandy BaBa Boomkin Posts 6013 Joined 04December 06 Rating 5 4 5 RS Name Shadowandy RS Status Member Posted 06 July 2009 447 PM SaM on Jul 6 2009 0940 PM said Wait are you sure You make 792401 Natures from 9199 So i took that in half to work out how many Rune Essense he needs 396200 X 147 58241473 Skill Calculators say you need 792400 Nature Runes from Level 9199 Runecrafting This actually means the amount of Pure Essence you need to make into Nature Runes Meaning you need to double that figure yourself Quickly doing some calculations of Pure Essence and Nature Runes at roughly medium GE prices Pure Essence 1109mil Nature Runes 3597mil Profit 2488mil That figure seems correct because I always thought Level 9199 Runecrafting was around 250mil profit Edited by Shadowandy 06 July 2009 453 PM 0 Questions Marketplace Leader 14 zoth01 Member Posts 3368 Joined 20December 06 Rating 5 3 5 RS Name crovaxx07 RS Status Oldschool Posted 06 July 2009 458 PM runecrafting makes no doubt the most cash in the long run Even if you zmi till 91 the last 8 lvls grant u lots of cash 0 I am everything I want to be I am a Lucid Dreamer 15 marathonlad Member Posts 102 Joined 28June 09 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Marathonlad RS Status Member Clan Marathonlad Posted 06 July 2009 556 PM If you want to make a whole lot of money i would do slayer or runecrafting Those 2 would be the most and you can make so much money while you train them The only problem is that they take a long time to get up 0 16 after math28 Member Posts 806 Joined 23April 06 Rating 5 3 5 RS Status Inactive Clan none Posted 07 July 2009 1247 AM Shadowandy on Jul 6 2009 0337 PM said tdude75 on Jul 6 2009 0754 PM said How long does 99 runecrafting generally take from 45 Level 4599 Runecrafting is 12972919 XP You could get around 20k Runecrafting XP per hour on average not using ZMI 12972919 20k 649 Hours Youre looking at around 649 hours for Level 4599 Runecrafting However thats a good amount of profit all the way if youre not using ZMI so 650hrs24hrs 27days to completebut these 24hrs have to be complete 24hr days am i right But in thoery it should only take 27 full 24hr days to complete with us getting around 20k Rc xp per hourand i have a question what is the ZMI 0 17 Mike E Member Posts 410 Joined 28August 08 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Mike E RS Status Retired Posted 07 July 2009 1248 AM If 26king was a skill I would say that but since its not I will have to go with Runecrafting and Slayer 0 18 loganatr55 Junior Member Posts 42 Joined 17April 09 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name loganatr55 RS Status Member Clan None Posted 07 July 2009 101 AM RuneCrafting is the moneymaking king Slayer cost to much really 0 httpimg200imageshackusimg2002766chameleonneditedneojpg Image blocked please upload it at an approved host 19 Lord Of Lamb it tastesdelicious Posts 674 Joined 15May 09 Rating 5 1 5 RS Name sdroff RS Status Member Posted 07 July 2009 140 AM Post above try to be a little useful Runecrafting is the cash king with double natures netting some of the fastest and best cash available Slayer depending on your drops and assignments once you start getting slayer points you can rake in money Abyssal Demons are pretty much selfexplanatory as an excellent money maker Hunting nets you 30m if you just do Red Chinchompas going from 6699 but PuroPuro is also excellent cash possible of 1m an hour if you are lucky PuroPuro makes cash starting at level 83 hunter You can make cash at lower levels with Swamp Lizards 800 ea last I checked 0 20 Rawsiie Im Confuzzled Posts 128 Joined 10April 09 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Rawsiie RS Status Member Clan Nzer Leets Posted 07 July 2009 355 AM lol find a skill u lyk that makes some money and stick with it youre more likely to stop rcing before 99 than slayer because slayer has more variety and is actually enjoyable unless u got 4 lots of 76 steel drags in a row like me rcing is just staring at screen running clicking making runes tele run click make runes etc so repetitave also hunter is great cash i suggest normal ching to 68 coz it helps alopt then red chins to 83 then d imps then red chins to give u some variety anyways has anyone thought about mining you know 85 for rune 30 for coal etc just and idea personally i like slayer im only 54 but when u get a task you like and you level up a combat stat it feels great mainly coz it takes me a while to level up 81att 80def 85str 83hp etc anyways Gl 0 Rawsiie is awesome 1 2 Back to Marketplace Zybez RuneScape Community Forums Runescape Questions Money Making Marketplace Privacy Policy | [
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http://forums.zybez.net/topic/1545632-best-mage-gear-for-a-zerker/ | Zybez RuneScape Community Forums Runescape Player Kills PK General Best Mage Gear For A Zerker Started By HEARTHBREAKER Jan 6 2012 1042 PM Please log in to reply 11 replies to this topic 1 HEARTHBREAKER Junior Member Posts 24 Joined 18September 09 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Archerhells RS Status Free Posted 06 January 2012 1042 PM Best Mage Gear For a Zerker 0 Dont Hate Congratulate Appreciate Participate 2 Jim Im constant like the seasons I will never be forgotten Posts 8184 Joined 23January 10 Rating 5 3 5 RS Name blink182 RS Status Member Clan RoT Team Flipflops Posted 06 January 2012 1044 PM Third age mageif you have the cash Infinity armoura lot cheaper then 3a with a little less bonus and Farseers helm for armour If youre 75 attack Staff of Light Polypore staff is pretty good to if you have 80 Magic Toktzmejtal or Ancient staff if less then 60 Attack Mages book or Unholy book for shield Arcane stream necklace god capeWilderness Mage Arena and Seers ring Edited by Jimdm3 07 January 2012 421 AM 1 3 JessyU Member Posts 2653 Joined 14June 08 Rating 5 1 5 RS Name HeyitsJessy RS Status Retired Posted 06 January 2012 1045 PM Dont forget Vecna Skull This is one of my favorite items Edited by Jessy Uppal 06 January 2012 1046 PM 1 Nobody told the sheep that they outnumber the wolves 4 HEARTHBREAKER Junior Member Posts 24 Joined 18September 09 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Archerhells RS Status Free Posted 06 January 2012 1107 PM Jessy Uppal on 06 Jan 2012 745 PM said Dont forget Vecna Skull This is one of my favorite items Will it work for Fist of guthix Soul Wars 0 Dont Hate Congratulate Appreciate Participate 5 MrBaws24 STFU the Baws is talking Posts 130 Joined 29December 11 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name MrBaws24 RS Status Member Posted 06 January 2012 1109 PM HEARTHBREAKER on 06 Jan 2012 807 PM said Jessy Uppal on 06 Jan 2012 745 PM said Dont forget Vecna Skull This is one of my favorite items Will it work for Fist of guthix Soul Wars Not for fist of guthix but I think soul wars 0 Your signature has been removed because it was breaking the rules of this community It was too big either too wide or too tall andor its filesize was too large To find out more please see our Help Rules Section Please ensure that you fix your signature according to the rules before putting it up again Otherwise you may be banned If you need any help feel free to contact me Thanks Aragon 6 M owning since 01 Posts 1618 Joined 22July 03 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Sirius RS Status Member Posted 07 January 2012 136 AM Third age is the best gear for a zerker sillies 1 99 attackx 99 strengthx 45 defencex 99 hitpointsx 99 prayerx 99 rangex 99 magicx 99 summoning Sirius 7 Angry Bird Woke up still King Posts 3673 Joined 14December 11 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Xue Zhao Qin RS Status Member Clan Quit Team Euphoria Posted 07 January 2012 524 AM M on 06 Jan 2012 1036 PM said Third age is the best gear for a zerker sillies 0 Solace EU Team_Morphic 8 Lucy Fer Dumbledoofus Posts 4227 Joined 18May 07 Rating 5 1 5 RS Name Lucy Fer RS Status Oldschool Posted 07 January 2012 555 AM Helm Dhai hatinfinity hatvoid mage Neck Arcane stream necklace Body 3aInfintyvoid Legs 3ainfinityvoid Boots infinity Cape Magic cape Hands Barrow glovesvoid Shield slot Celestial surgeboxmagic bookunholy book void deflector Weapon chaotic staffstaff of lightmaster wand Ring seers i Best boost would be wolpertinger or ex mage if you dont got those vecna will do fine 0 9 Eyebrows Member Posts 516 Joined 07August 08 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Big Eyebrows RS Status Member Clan Zenith Posted 07 January 2012 1209 PM fungal has the same mage attack as infinity but double the defence bonuses and is cheaper too 0 10 PvpDynasty Member Posts 785 Joined 29April 10 Rating 5 1 5 RS Name Scaper RS Status Inactive Posted 07 January 2012 124 PM Mage void with deflector and 3a top tbh With chaotic seers i stream and all that good stuff Edited by PvpDynasty 07 January 2012 124 PM 0 11 Bexhill Expecting the worst will make you go far Posts 754 Joined 31July 11 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Sent RS Status Oldschool Posted 07 January 2012 310 PM PvpDynasty on 07 Jan 2012 1024 AM said Mage void with deflector and 3a top tbh With chaotic seers i stream and all that good stuff 0 12 HEARTHBREAKER Junior Member Posts 24 Joined 18September 09 Rating 5 0 5 RS Name Archerhells RS Status Free Posted 07 January 2012 534 PM Eyebrows on 07 Jan 2012 0909 AM said fungal has the same mage attack as infinity but double the defence bonuses and is cheaper too Fungal has the same as mystic not Infinity 0 Dont Hate Congratulate Appreciate Participate Zybez RuneScape Community Forums Runescape Player Kills PK General Privacy Policy | [
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http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1433986/what-do-you-feed-adult-ducks | What do you feed adult ducks ? Comments ( 20 ) dannyboquet I do n ' t know what is considered the best food , but the " wild " ducks in our pond eat the h @ ll out of the Purina Laying Pellets . When we feed the chickens in the morning , they all come in the pen and help themselves . They can eat more and faster than the chickens . How do you get the ducks to leave and go North ? They seem very content with their situation . They have little fear of us and will come quack at the door in the morning to Like Save July 28 , 2005 orcuttnyc My wild mallards and wood ducks will eat cracked corn to no end . Like Save July 28 , 2005 robin_maine Mine get either Game Bird crumbles or layer pellets . July 29 , 2005 plays_in_the_dirt ours also eats cracked corn . July 30 , 2005 Josette We have 6 ducks and they eat crumbles or pellets ( wichever the chikens are having ) but they forage all day long and eat a varity of greens and weeds and grass clippings ect . . . .We are also getting more duck eggs than we can keep up with 4 females and 2 males . SO we get 4 duck eggs a day and all of them are double yolkers ( Why ? ) . . .anyway they just eat what the chickens do and then forage all day . . . .josette July 30 , 2005 Siamese I was afraid to give mine pellets because I wasnt sure if she could eat those . She eats crumbles now and it doesnt look like shes even getting any , but obviously she does . I do n ' t let her free range ( well she does get out once in a while ) because Im afraid she might fly away and shes a rescue . . . she had an injured eye and bill but now both seem to be doing much better . I didnt know if there was a specific water fowl food or not motherduck Domestic ducks need lots of greens and plenty of water . Do n ' t give them medicated feed or feeds too high in protein . Only give layer feed to birds that are actually laying if it has an increased level of calcium . Adult ducks require 12 to 14 % protein . Laying ducks need 16 % protein during laying - - it should be given a few weeks before to help stimulate laying . I ' m assuming that your duck is a wild one since it was a rescue so she may need a higher level There are many factors that affect laying : breed , age , overall health , amount of daylight , weather , stress , quality of feed , etc . Also consider that some birds are egg - eaters . Rodents will also steal eggs . July 31 , 2005 kirklanb cracked corn and fresh grass clippings . They forage a lot and occasionally I will go to the bait store and get them a few worms and crickets or help them dig some up in the yard . They go nuts over them . August 1 , 2005 judyag_44 Our ducks ( 2 Rouen , 1 Crested Saxony , 2 Cuyugas , and a Swedish Blue ) forage endlessly . . .have to laugh when I awaken during the night and hear them " talking " to each other as the rummage through the grass around the house . They come close to the house at night but during the day free range in the surrounding pastures and the extended portions of the yard . We give them a fancy " chop " . . . . .cracked corn & milo / millet to enrich their diets . The females lay eggs consistently . August 2 , 2005 melee_AL Siamese , do you know how old your duck is ? She might be too old to lay eggs . August 2 , 2005 Siamese She ' s two years old and we ' ve had her since she was a tiny fuzzball . When she was about 6 months old , I noticed a whitish egg in with the brown eggs ( I only had 2 buff orpingtons at the time ) so it may have been her that laid that egg - but never saw anymore like that . She has started during something weird . . .when I let the hen in with her she ' ll bite all over the underside of the hen and make lots of noise . . . any idea why she does this ? It annoys the hen but doesnt hurt her . melee_AL Well I am no duck expert , that ' s for sure . I have a handful of Muscovies , they started laying last year at about 7 - 8 months . They have been laying off and on this summer since about April . They are never cooped up , so they mostly feed themselves plus they get about 1 / 2c layer pellets per duck per day . I also feed their eggshells back to them . The Muscovies ' eggshells are very thick but translucent and waxy - looking . What breed of duck do you have ? If she is a domestic breed , she probably ca n ' t fly well enough to fly away ? The ' scovies can fly quite well - they fly around but they do n ' t fly away : ) The hen ' scovies display a dominance behavior where they mount each other and the non - dominant drake and also bite at the back of the head and neck . If I had to guess I would say your duck ' s just trying to be the boss of the hen . . August 3 , 2005 wild Mallard . . .shes gotten out a few times and she can fly over the tree tops . . . and thats after I thought I had clipped her wings . August 3 , 2005 kev56 The only time we fed out ducks ( and geese ) were in the winter and that was cracked corn . The rest of the year they foraged and all got fat . They also like june bugs . I would watch them at night and they all would gather under the yard light and scoot after the june bugs and whatever else got within range of their little beaks . gardnpondr I ' m with Mother Duck , feed high in protein will cause them trouble down the road or even when they are young . They think angel wing is from foods too high in protein and they have all kinds of leg troubles with too high protein . Also corn makes them fat so they ca n ' t get off the ground to fly they say . I fed my others cracked corn or chops as they call it and they seemed to have no problems with it at all . Mine really really like what they call August 7 , 2005 GennyM I have 4 ducks , I feed them cereal , lettuce , bread , chips , chicken , turkey , popcorn and plus they eat bugs and flies outside . Ducks are like chickens just about , they will eat almost anything . The kind I have even eat mice and frogs . Sometimes I give them a little grain , but mostly I just feed them the food I mentioned : ) August 8 , 2005 jaelb I ' d like to know where everyone gets their food ! The only food available in my area is meatbird feed ( which I use ) , layer pellets or medicated chick feed ( not a good choice for ducks ) . My ducks are great foragers , they ' re young ( Spring 2005 hatch ) and our one female has begun laying eggs . For " treats " we feed them fruit / vegetable scraps . We have a pond with tons of duckweed ( looks gross ) so they ' re set . By the way September 9 , 2005 velvet_sparrow I ' ve got two Basic White ducks ( I THINK that ' s the brand name . . . * L * ) , both were freebies from the feed store because they each have a bad leg . They get around just fine , they eat scratch with the chickens , forage during the day and have loads of grass , bugs , etc . to eat , along with a little kiddie pool to swim in . But they LOVE the occassional french fry - - ! * do n ' t tell motherduck I do that , though * Velvet ~ : > September 9 , 2005 mountainman_bc I did n ' t know you could keep / clip wings of wild birds . At least around here you ca n ' t keep any form of wild animal including frogs . . . September 10 , 2005 velvet_sparrow Laws differ here in the US on keeping ' wild ' animals as pets . . .usually native and / or migratory species are protected and can only be kept in certain circumstances by a licensed rehabber , but imported ones are OK to keep as pets . Some , like ferrets , have become so popular as pets that it ' s causing a shift in the laws . To make things even MORE complicated ; states , counties and cities have their own additional laws and zoning regulations . At least with wing clipping , the feathers will eventually molt out and grow back - - much better than pinioning , which is forever . Velvet ~ : > September 11 , 2005 Sign Up to Comment | [
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http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1436793/how-long-can-pole-beans-stay-in-production | How long can pole beans stay in production ? Comments ( 13 ) wordwiz KY Wonder is suppose to produce until the frost kills them , provided you harvest the ripe beans . Mike Like Save June 20 , 2010 ikea_gw We do n ' t really get our frost until November . So I can keep picking for 4 months ? Like Save June 20 , 2010 digdirt2 Yes , as long as you keep the plants healthy and well watered they will keep on producing until disease or pests or frost kills them . Production usually slows during the high heat periods and blossoms drop just as with any other blooming fruit but it picks back up again once the weathers breaks . Dave cyrus_gardner Dave is right . You also have to pick them . My hyacind pole beans flower from early june fo frost kill , none stop . Of course I grow them as flowering vine and use some of the young pods too . My blue lakes and KY wonders are in full blast . I can not keep up with picking . The bush types are not as productive . ikea_gw So here is my dilemma if they really will produce until frost . My beans are about 4 ft away from my paste tomato beds and the beans are 8 ft tall . The tomatoes are approaching 5 ft now and I suspect they will get about 6 ft tall . The tomatoes are more or less on the west side of my beans and right now they are shaded by the beans in the morning . The entire tomato plant ( top to bottom ) get full sun from 11am til 6pm . In a few months though the digdirt2 What would you do if you were in my shoes ? I ' d pull the bean plants - BUT not until it is absolutely necessary - that way you ' ll still get some more beans . Dave steve22802 You could try snipping the beans back to 4 or 5 feet . I would expect this to trigger lateral growth from each node and give you shorter bushier vines . The problem I ' ve had with pole beans is that they become a bean beetle habitat and get totally destroyed by the beetles long before frost . Bush beans can be removed after harvesting to lower the beetle population and then you can plant another crop of bush beans . You can also use floating row covers over bush beans to protect them from the beetles . I do like the idea of a continuous harvest till frost though . Maybe there would be some way to sandwich the pole beans between two sheets of row cover . I gardningscomplicated Some people mow their beans . I posted a link to a gw discussion . Here is a link that might be useful : bean mowing discussion June 21 , 2010 I might do what steve22802 suggests before I pull the entire plant in a few months . If I can lower their height to 5 ft , it will be okay to have them until frost . Though I could also just plant a row of bush beans now so when I pull the pole beans the bush beans will start to produce . I just pulled out my beets and the bed wo n ' t be used until the fall crops are ready for transplant . Grrr garden planning is not easy ! June 21 , 2010 daryljurassic If it were me I ' d first try to train them to go sideways ( away from your tomatoes ) on a piece of wire fencing or lattice . Or wait and pull them . Pole beans grow pretty fast so you could start some new ones in a different spot . bluebirdie Yup . the planning bugs got to me too many times too . I agree with Steve ' s trimming . daryljurassic ' s suggestion on training them sideways is also a great idea . How are your pole beans supported now ? You can probably lower the support to an arch , L , V , or simply tilt the support depending on your material . Planting bush bean in place of pole bean will drastically decrease the harvest unless you plant many times more bush beans than pole beans ( some books said four times , my experience is 10 times or more ) . I plant bush beans in early spring because they ' re earlier than poles . Other times , pole simply produces better . I made two tripods out of bamboo and put 1 cross bar on top , then I ran strings down from the cross bar for the beans . The cross bar is 6 ft off the ground . . . there is my mistake . I thought they would just stop once they reach the top , but they kept going . It almost looks like multiple beans are growing together at the top hence supporting each other . I am going to have to bring a ladder to harvest them too since I am only 5 ft 2 . bluebirdie Since your support is hard to bend and the beans well established , trimming or replant may be a better option . I guess either way , trimming the top very soon like now will help the tomato plants . Sign Up to Comment | [
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http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1436811/gelding-a-mini-donkey | Farm Life gelding a mini donkey lilbitfarms August 25 , 2010 we recently purchased a intact mini donkey who is 2 1 / 2 . he has began biting our 2 year old steer . the mini jack actually chases the calf until he can bite him on the back the legs even the tail . the mini jack also uses his neck to puck the calfs neck down . at first we thought that he was trying to play but the calf is running away and does not seem to be enjoying it . does anyone know if gelding will stop this and how do you geld a mini jack Email Save Comment 3 Like Comments ( 3 ) booboo60 lilbitfarms , I have 2 mini donks , a jenny and a gelding . We got them when they were about 7 months and 9 months . The farm we got them from advised us to geld the jack at about 1 year of age . The behavior you describe is normal for donkeys . Our 2 chase each other around and nip each other ( not bite ) and usually the one being nipped at kicks and bucks . They are playing , and the " neck thing " is also normal and I think , a form of domination . Like Save August 26 , 2010 pamghatten I also do n ' t know if the behavior will change , but it sounds like he needs someone to play with . I have 3 mini donks , and the vet gelded them in my barn . I had to help . . . . it was quick and amazing to watch . I agree , get another gelded donkey to play with yours . August 26 , 2010 goodhors Equines , donkey , pony or horse are often hard on cattle with no horns to defend themselves . Chasing the calf does not allow him to eat or rest like he needs to for good weight gain . I would keep them apart , so donkey does not hurt the calf . Even extremely gentle equines can turn into monsters with cattle in their pens or pastures . Give the cattle no rest at all . I would take donkey to the Vet , pay for the operation . Vet will make sure both testicles are removed , animal is draining well . You will need to exercise him daily , a couple times , like morning and evening . This is to keep drainage going , prevent swelling . We hose them a couple times a day after the exercise , get the drainage off the hair . We move them around the pen for forced exercise , keep hole draining . With the heat , now might be a poor time to geld . Flies carry a LOT of infection , certainly impossible to keep them off a bloody or draining wound . I would wait until it got cooler weather , less insects for causing infection on the donkey . I have never heard of banding donkey jacks , even minis . I am sure it has happened , but the parts are not always the same in various animals even if they all do eat grass . They do not react the same way . Gelding is a job for the Vet , and you pay for his services . Donkey is old enough for some training , might keep him busy instead of causing trouble . Training while young will help prevent the stubborn resistances of older animals getting a new job . They are not horses , training may be difficult as you figure out how the donkey brain thinks ! You wo n ' t change him , so you have to be creative ! Sign Up to Comment | [
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http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1446472/horse-poop-on-asparagus | Vegetable Gardening Horse poop on asparagus ? nancyjane_gardener June 27 , 2011 I got a truckful of mostly composted horse manure from freecycle . It does n ' t smell bad and is mostly powdery , with a few clumps that break up easily . It is n ' t hot . I used most of it in an area to be made into a new bed at a later date , but still have some left . Would it be a good idea to sprinkle / spread some around the asparagus bed , let it sit some more and feed the gus in the fall when I cut them back , or add it to the compost pile so it ' s not " straight " manure ? There are also producing artichokes in that bed . Nancy Email Save Comment 6 Like Comments ( 6 ) digdirt2 If it is mostly composted , not hot , no stink and you are done harvesting the asparagus then the patch will love it . Personally , I always prefer to add it to the compost pile and then add the compost to the gus bed . Dave Like Save June 27 , 2011 ncdirtdigger If it is ' mostly powdery ' it may become hot with the addition of water . It may also be mostly saw dust or other bedding material and the clumps you are finding are the manure . As long as you have finished harvesting , you can use it as mulch on your asparagus bed . I mulch my asparagus beds every fall , after I cut them back , with composted horse bedding . Of course , I know that my neighbors , who supply me with the bedding , do n ' t use vast amounts of drugs on their horses . I would n ' t want some of the residual drugs in my garden compost . June 28 , 2011 nancyjane_gardener Thanks . I think I ' ll put some in the compost and also see what the crazy California rain does to it ( heats up or ? ) and spread it in the fall . I ' m still getting artichokes out of that bed . Nancy June 28 , 2011 jennieboyer Hi - why does it need to be " not hot " and have no odor ? If it is used in a more raw or organic ( fresh ) state , what will that hurt ? I have access to some fresh horse manure , but no compost pile . Can I just let it sit for a while until it dries out and stops smelling ? I was going to use it now , but then stumbled on sites that say it has to be " cool " . Thanks ! January 12 , 2013 Jenni , HOT manures such as horse , chicken and cow manure can easily burn your plants if they have n ' t been aged or composted . Letting them sit around for a year or so is usually just fine . Nancy January 24 , 2013 Kranberriz6 I would spread it 6 - 8 " thick and solarize with clear plastic if you have the room . My brother got some free " compost " that was just piled up horse manure mixed with sawdust bedding from a commercial stable and it turned out to be CHOCK FULL OF WEED SEEDS . January 27 , 2013 Sign Up to Comment | [
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http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1459137/peace-lily-black-leaves | House Plants Peace Lily - Black Leaves sylvan January 23 , 2007 This is a repost from 2005 ! I ' ve reviewed every thread I could find on this subject and am not much wiser . The specific question of Peace Lily leaves turning black has n ' t been directly addressed - - I would like to know what it is ( different from yellowing leaves or brown tips ) and what can be done for it . The same little plant is limping along , while its neighbors are thriving . Original post : Here ' s another Peace Lily problem . . . .As context , I have a small one at home where I break all the rules and it has flourished for years ( potbound , overwatered , underwatered , drafts , erratic light , you name it ) , and I have a larger one at work that just keeps on being happy . I have a small one at work , in the same conditions as the happy one , which keeps getting black areas spreading in from the edges of some of the leaves . I snap the offending leaves off at the base . New growth keeps coming , some develop the black areas and some do n ' t . I recently re - potted it , same pot but fresh potting soil ( MiracleGro ) . It did n ' t seem to notice the repotting at all but continues to put out new leaves , some healthy and some sick . I have n ' t been able to find a picture or description of the black leaf ailment . Any clues ? Thanks a bunch . Email Save Comment 26 Like Comments ( 26 ) troianus Is the plant in contact with a frosty window ? The only thing I could think of is frost damage . I have one on an enclosed porch that gets erratic black areas when the temperture drops below frezzing or the leaves touch a cold window Like Save January 23 , 2007 sylvan Nope , no frost . Under office fluorescent lights , where it thrived for years before it took sick . I thought maybe fungus , but dry air is more a problem than damp is . tjsangel The only other thing I could think of is rot . Has the plant been overwatered ? You can check if the stems or leaves are mushy . Jen Nope , not rot either . I am going to test the possibility that it is chemicals from the water or fertilizer - - will drench it with distilled water and see what happens . I have read that fluoride in water can cause browning tips , which happens with all my plants but is something I can live with at $ 1.29 for a gallon of distilled water . January 24 , 2007 breenthumb There are those on this forum who swear that leaving water out at least overnite will dissipate chlorine enough to eliminate brown tips . I ' m not sure if it helps or not , but keeping an open gallon of water around is a lot cheaper than distilled . Sandy Sorry , I ca n ' t help with the black leaves . Think I ' d be inclined to check roots for rot though . January 24 , 2007 greattigerdane A few reasons leaves can turn black , over - watering / pot too big / heavy soil , cold , mold / fungus problem , possible pest problem , or , over - feeding . I do n ' t feed plants in winter , only in the spring and summer months and only using half or less strength now and then . Billy Rae Thanks to everyone . . . .I have given the baby its second drenching with distilled water , will see where that goes . The roots were healthy when I repotted it a year and a half ago , I will check again . It might be a too - big - pot issue . Why do we think we have to perform extraordinary life - preserving efforts instead of tossing the sick plant and getting a new one for ten bucks ? But that ' s another thread . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . January 25 , 2007 rhizo_1 ( North AL ) zone 7 You should do a little research on plant diseases , as well . We forget that , sometimes , in our efforts to find a causal agent that we might be able to ' fix ' easily . January 25 , 2007 greattigerdane Remember , if the plant " absolutely " needs re - potting , only go up one pot size . I think some of us perform extraordinary life - preserving efforts in order to save the plant if possible , and to learn by the experience , to get it right . Billy Rae Rhizo - - I ' ve done some ( web ) research on plant diseases - - fungus was the only picture that came close , but conditions do n ' t seem to be what fungus wants - - air is dry , no crowding , etc . I have drenched it and moved it to a different part of the building entirely for the weekend , cool , dry , and less light . Billy Rae , thanks for pointing out the learning experience of struggling with plants - - that ' s a good point . January 26 , 2007 A week later . . . .I read about root rot on another current Peace Lily thread and knocked the plant out of its pot to check . Roots are healthy , but obviously the pot is way too big . So the next step will be to " pot it down . " I ' ll prune it back too , and baby it along for a while with no feeding , reduced light , and careful watering schedule ( dry out then drench ) . It ' s now become an educational project , as Billy Ray suggests February 1 , 2007 gabro14 About the water . . .I use a Brita ( a water pitcher with a filter ) . I ' m sure that helps a lot to " cleanse " the water , and I do n ' t have to go poor buying distilled water . I just use tap water and fill the pitcher up with it . I ' m not sure how much a Brita / Britta ( ? ) costs , but it ' s not too expensive and lasts forever . . .you just have to change the filter every now and then . February 1 , 2007 mariateresa I once had a peace lily . I kept it living for seven years and then it died . I had others but they all died after the leaves began turning black one after another . Looking back I think I slowly drowned them . I though high humidity meant lots of water . My mother has a peace lily with the same problem and she does have a tendancy for overwatering . On the contrary , my mother - in - law who underwaters all her plants had a beautiful one which she gave to me and I killed . So are you sure you are not overwatering ? Let it dry up a bit more before you water again . Who knows . . . birdinthepalm The only similar situation I can recall with mine was from overwatering and root rot , and underwatering , which can also kills roots " presents " differently than rotting roots does . February 2 , 2007 ( dry out then drench ) Sylvan , You do n ' t want it to let the soil completely " dry out " Let the top inch or so feel a little less than " slightly moist " to the touch before watering again . Of course , your pot size along with good draining soil plays a HUGE role in the outcome of your success . I ' m so glad you will be downsizing , that will make a difference ! Billy Rae February 2 , 2007 Progress report on what is now my Peace Lily Experiment . A month ago I " potted down " , drenched the plant with distilled water , and put it in limited light for a couple of weeks . I let it nearly dry out - - not totally - - before resuming regular watering . A couple of weeks ago I returned it to its old home ( under office fluorescents all day ) . It was pale , leggy , and sparse after having every single imperfect leaf removed , but has lost no leaves at all and is regaining its healthy color . No new growth yet . And I still do n ' t know what the black stuff is . March 2 , 2007 watergal I do n ' t know what the black stuff is either , but every time I see it , it is on a plant that has been consistently overwatered . I never see it on plants that stay on the dry side . So I ' m guessing it ' s either caused by root rot or a fungus . I ' ve never had one come back very nicely once the spotting starts . March 2 , 2007 You ' re probably right , watergirl . Sigh . I ' ll coax it through spring and if it does n ' t bounce back I ' ll write it off as education . Thanks , everyone . . . .If it does revive I ' ll let you know March 6 , 2007 Happy ending ! Not only is this plant regaining its nice green color , it is putting out new growth and * two flower buds * ! I have to attribute this to repotting it into a smaller pot . The learning experience is more valuable than the plant , and I hope it helps someone else : Peace Lily wants to be pot - bound ! March 15 , 2007 Byrdntntt_yahoo_com It ' s very cold here ( snow temperture 10 degrees ) and i transported a healthy beautiful green leaf day lilly without covering it up . The next day the leaves turned black but they are not wilted nor do they feel dry . Its been 3 days now and it looks the same . At this point im going to give it some to see what happens before doing anything and I will continue to water as needed . Will let you know what happens , maybe it will come back on its own . January 26 , 2011 hyunny88_gmail_com Sylvan and everybody , Thank you for the helpful tips . I am having the exactly same issue as Sylvan , and I do admit that the pot is way too big . I will repot it into a smaller pot this weekend . Thank you so much ! February 4 , 2011 marsha_photon_com This thread has been very enlightening for me , too . I received a bonzai camelia in a small container as a gift a couple of months ago , and not knowing what to do with the little pebbles it came with , I placed them on top of the soil and put the plant on the kitchen counter near the sink by a window . It looks really nice , but the leaves have been turning black and dropping off and it ' s looking very leggy now . Perhaps the pebbles are keeping too much moisture in the April 21 , 2011 AmandaTexas I have a Peace Lily ( 16 years old ) that was given to me , when my mother died , in 1998 . Needless to say , it is very dear to me and I would hate to lose it . I keep it at my office under fluorescent lights . Every once and a while , she will get a black leaf but here lately it has gotten worse . I agree with the previous post - I think it ' s because of over watering . Also , it looks like the previous post in this forum February 2 , 2014 Carol love_the_yard ( Zone 9A Jacksonville , FL ) Grow it outside in a shady spot as soon as threat of frost / freeze has passed . You will think a miracle occurred . They grow beautifully outside . They love warmth , indirect sunlight and humidity . February 2 , 2014 Eve - Lynn Swan Sylvan and company : Thank you ! I will try the downsizing and careful watering . I got my Peace Lily as a wedding present 21 years ago - - I really , really do n ' t want this baby to die . It is at work now as my kittens bit the poor thing to shreds . So , seeing as it had some black leaves ( as well as fang marks ) I researched about black leaves and changed the soil and , oops , enlarged the pot . Now it is putting out lovely little green Another peace lily at work got frozen during a power outage last year . Its leaves turned black and many fell off / were pruned , but it looks great now . We are kind people , who hate to see something killed - - that ' s why we struggle with these plants . A 6 - foot tall dracaena at work was locked in an unused office for a month or so and nearly died , but I ' ve been watering it and it is sprouting new growth . I feel great ! : - ) 1 Like March 5 , 2015 MsGreenFinger GW If not from the cold , black leaf ( tips ) are sign of overwatering . What kind of soil did you use when you repotted and did you remove the old soil from the roots ? 1 Like March 5 , 2015 Sign Up to Comment | [
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http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1470481/blooming-corn-plant | House Plants blooming corn plant ? sarahbobarah April 1 , 2007 hi everybody : ) i THINK this is a corn plant . . . but i have no idea if the things on top of it are blooms ? ! can anyone help identify ? and let me know if there is anything i should be doing for it in this " stage " of it ' s life . thanks ! sarah { { gwi : 82569 } } { { gwi : 82570 } } { { gwi : 82571 } } Email Save Comment 111 Like 1 Comments ( 111 ) See 61 more comments stewartsjon Hate to be a spoil sport but we cut them off at work , as if you leave them , when you next see them two weeks later , they are a sticky smelly mess on the client ' s carpet . Like Save April 29 , 2013 Gil29488 I have had this corn plant for 3 years , we inherited it in a rental property so really do n ' t know how old it is , but we recently moved to a new apartment and the plant has thrived in the new location . This is the first time I have ever seen a corn plant flower . interesting . June 12 , 2013 gottesmana Congrats to all with Blooming Corn Plants . I do n ' t have a Corn , but have other Dracaenas closely related , including , D . ' Janet Craig . ' It ' s nowhere near as old as some of yours , still , I ' ve seen young Corn Plants with huge clusters of fragrant flowers during winter months . July 3 , 2013 thecount My corn palm is blooming right now ( attached pic ) for the second time in the nine years I ' ve had it : ) I see from all the previous posts that everybody seem to have theirs blooming in 2011 . The previous time mine bloomed was . . . 2011 ! Must have been something in the air that year . 1 Like November 24 , 2014 thecount Here ' s my 2011 blooms from the same plant - if you look closely enough you can actually see sap oozing out in a few places . . . 1 Like November 24 , 2014 dmmz This corn plant is in Austin , TX and is blooming for the second night . The blossoms open at between 6 and 7 pm . Odor of Jasmine . Reminds one of the Night Blooming Cereus . 2 Likes December 28 , 2014 rosamedina9702 Wow ! I ' ve had my plant for about 10 years now , just decided to bloom ! Did n ' t even know it gave flowers ! ! : ) 2 Likes April 12 , 2015 Jyoti I have a pair of this plant and one of them started to flower . It ' s 180 cm tall : ) June 25 , 2015 jklott I had no idea what this plant was even called untill one day my house smelled like a florist . We had this plant for 6 yrs . and this is the first bloom . The smell is a lot stronger in the evening . June 30 , 2015 Lorretta Westbrook What kind is this ? I ' ve had this for about 7 yrs . First time blooming . July 8 , 2015 tropicbreezent It ' s a Crinum , but do n ' t know which species . There are a lot of species and quite a lot of cultivars . July 8 , 2015 Heath Parker July 20 , 2015 last modified : July 20 , 2015 Heath Parker Five years old , my place smells amazing ! last modified : Charlie Schenk We have one also . It is thirty years old and blooms generally once a year . They have had babies which we ' ve repotted , the first of which after several years just bloomed for the first time yesterday . We are always excited when she does this as we know what comes next . August 5 , 2015 Mike Turner Fun thread ! We inherited our corn plant at 2 ' tall from a friend in 2001 . It is now about 15 ' tall and is just entering its second bloom . Last one was in 2007 I believe . Fills the whole house with aroma ! November 5 , 2015 bielo83 So cool ! November 9 , 2015 karan90_zhk My plant is blooming at November . May i know its name by english ? And plz add me daniel_karan90 @ instagram . com . . . November 18 , 2015 Tiffany , purpleinopp Z8b Opp , AL Hi & welcome , Daniel ! It ' s a corn plant ( Dracaena fragrans . ) November 19 , 2015 halocline I read some of the beginning posts here then skipped down . Here ' s what I know : The flowers / blooms are awesome , they do drip quite a bit of a sticky substance , the fragrance is wonderful and strongest at night . After it get ' s 21 / 2 - 3 feet long , the flowers will begin to drop and fade , simply cut the Flower Stem and the plant will continue to grow same as it was . There ' s no need to cut the main stem / trunk of the plant , if you do ; the plant will sprout two separate tops . Mine has bloomed twice so far , and is about 7 + feet tall ( almost to the ceiling ) . For context , that ' s a 5 gallon water bottle sitting on top of a step stool in front of the plant . Rob November 19 , 2015 sleasure45 My corn plant is blooming , my grandma gave it to me , I ' ve had it about 15 years , so its probably about 20 years old or so . Love it ! ! I cherish it , my grandma passed in 2003 . . April 21 , 2016 April 21 , 2016 dahliagalvan Hi everyone .I live in Houston , tx . I too Inherited a corn plant , accidentally , that someone had left behind when they moved out . I ' ve had it for 2 yrs now . I have it out in my balcony of my apt . I thought it was dying at one point because it had little white bugs crawling on the stalk of the plant and the leaves were brown . My mom told me to spray tea tree oil mixture she says works as a bug repellant . Then , a week ago my May 6 , 2016 May 6 , 2016 PRO Odyssey Homes I have had my corn plant for 32 years - Moved 5 times and kept plant - it started blooming two years ago and blooms every year ( May ) - it is about 14 ft tall and i wait and dream to smell the fragrance again - Most amazing sweet smell May 8 , 2016 halocline OH - Does your plant have more than one trunk ? Rob May 8 , 2016 PRO Odyssey Homes One Truck with Two Branches ( Heads ) Does anyone know the Value of these Aged Plants ? ? ? Valued by Height ? / Age ? etc etc May 9 , 2016 Barry Senger So , this is a second generation corn plant blooming for the first - time . It is a clone of the mother plant which I ' ve grown indoors for over 15 years . The two smaller ones are younger clones of the same mother plant which I have to cut because of the height . Each time I shorten the mother , I cut the stalk into short pieces that I root in potting soil , thus giving me more plants to give to friends and family . May 12 , 2016 When using leafless sections of the stalk / trunk to root , do n ' t forget which end is up . ; - ) Rob May 13 , 2016 johnfields We moved into a house in Glendora , CA about five years ago . The old lady who lived there before us , left us five or six good size ( 5 - 6 ft . ) corn plants on the backyard patio that we have pampered since we we ' ve moved in . Not one has bloomed . In addition , I ' ve been around corn plants in various homes and apartments ( mostly in Southern California ) for the last 50 + years and have never seen nor heard of one blooming . Would they be Thanks , John June 9 , 2016 From what I understand ; it ' s a semi rare event . I ' ve had mine for about 15yrs . , and it ' s only bloomed twice . Rob June 10 , 2016 tropicbreezent Mine bloom every year and so do those of other people I know . Problem could be it ' s just too cold . June 10 , 2016 Never knew these plants bloomed till mine did after 30 + years - now it is blooming every alternate year - the house smells like heaven because the plants are indoor and the smells fills the whole house - even 26 yr old son and 22 ur old daughter inquired " what is that smell ? " June 11 , 2016 Yeah ; it is awesome . one of my favorite flower fragrances . Since it ' s most prevalent at night , it ' s a bonus at bedtime . Rob June 11 , 2016 obama098 In Costa Rica we use these for fence posts . Taste the sap or honey when it first appears . Very tasty . Just wish I could harvest it . December 21 , 2016 Update - My Corn Plant has finally reached the ceiling , and I thought I was going to have to cut it back . Fortunately , the plant ' s adjusted ; and the trunk is bending on it ' s own to accommodate the vertical blockade . December 21 , 2016 Linda Howard I bought a corn plant at a plant party almost 40 years ago . It lives in rocks , not soil . It just started to get buds for the first time . I also see some sap . Look forward to the blooms and fragrance . March 25 , 2017 March 25 , 2017 jensenm400 Hello , our corn plant is ready to bloom as well . Not sure how old it is - it ' s about 5 feet tall and the buds started coming out about a week ago . I too had no idea that they flowered . Our plant is near a south facing window and also has a grow light above it . We did have it outside last summer and I keep the house cool at night in the winter time - we live in Edmonton , Alberta , Canada . 3 Likes April 20 , 2017 Violeta Vargas i have these plants since 2004 . . . bloomed once in 2012 and this year . . . and only now i was made aware of the fragrance similar to cestrum nocturnum ( dama de noche called here in the Phils , night bloiming jasmine ) . . . . and surely loving the scent filling the whole house specially at night . . . . and now , i know dracaena is the name . April 30 , 2017 Dogsrule Forever I ' ve had my corn plant 13 yrs and it came from my ofc . Do n ' t know how long it was there . 3 weeks ago I noticed blooms and tonite the house has such a strong fragrance I thought it was gardenia . So blessed and happy to know this plant blooms . May 20 , 2017 Erlinda Mendez I ' m not very particular having a corn plant inside the house . Is it really fragrant though if its already starting to bloom ? Wanna plant one inside our home , perfect spot in our entrance area I guess . May 21 , 2017 They ' re fragrant at night and can be quite overwhelming in an enclosed space . Of course , the more flowers you have the stronger it becomes . But if it ' s a small plant with few flowers then not so bad . May 22 , 2017 May 22 , 2017 Dogsrule Forever Like clockwork at 7pm blooms open and fragrance fills the air . I have small home so it ' s strong in back part . Wonder if I can cut part of blooms off without preventing damage to new growth . May 23 , 2017 jensenm400 My flowers were in full bloom a week and a half ago and the fragrance was wonderful . I even caught a whiff of scent during the day . Hope it blooms again next year . 3 Likes May 24 , 2017 clarkjenna74 My husband & I bought a beautiful home with a large central atrium 2 years ago . It was already full of 40 year old trees and plants , including a few corn plants . One of them began blooming yesterday ! What a wonderful smell and a nice surprise June 9 , 2017 Irina Melamud Hi all , I have Corn Dracaena plant since 1998 , it was a present of my real estate agent when she assisted us to by house in St . Island . Sense than it lost one stock from three when moved to NJ , and then lost the rest two and almost dye in 2013 when moved to another NJ location . But it regrows ! ! ! ! from its root after some time and NOW miracle happened ; it start to bloom . Can not wait to see flowers and feel the smell , people keep saying it is very strong , but I will keep updating on my plant journey . Irina October 13 , 2017 Irina Melamud This is photo I missed to attach October 13 , 2017 Anthony Pomponio 22 years we ' ve had this and just a few days ago . . . . .the fragrance is spectacular ! November 23 , 2017 November 23 , 2017 Anthony Pomponio ! ! Deborah Neville I purchased my corn plant last year from an estate sale for $ 5 . It ’ s now blooming & has 3 stems of the most amazing smelling flowers ! Took me a while to figure out where the odor was coming from and it ’ s only at night . I do periodically feed it with fish emulsion . Happy happy plant ! December 21 , 2017 HU - 504245 I have a 25 foot corn plant that has bloomed four or five times , Today the stem , about halfway up cracked nearly all the way through . Is this a plant that can be " dressed " with wet moss or anything to save the top ? If not , can the broken half be rooted and , if so , how ? I got her in 1985 when I moved in and am sad to see her broken ! Thanks for any suggestions ! May 16 , 2018 stewartsjon 25 foot ! Wow ! I do n ' t know about repairing , but cuttings from these take reasonably readily . Prune it back to a joint ( if there is one ) beneath the damaged area . Take the cut - off section and cut all the damaged stem off . The rest may well survive if plunged into compost . Someone else here will advise on compost as I just use the same stuff that ' s made for me . A pic may help to give more precise pruning advice . May 17 , 2018 HU - 504245 Thanks ! Right now I have a towel that I am keeping wet wrapped around the cracked area and the leaves of the three different branches above the break are all still looking good . Obviously , not a long term solution ( she looked so cool when she was upright in my townhouse stairway atrium with open area above 2.5 stories to a skylight ! ) . . . but is giving me some time to contemplate and learn . I will try pruning off the three different sections that branch out above the break and planting them . May 17 , 2018 Sign Up to Comment | [
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http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1513620/days-till-you-can-mow-after-fertilizing | Lawn Care Days till you can mow after fertilizing tuck479 July 5 , 2011 This is a silly question but one that I have always wondered . . . .how many days need to pass before it is alright to mow after you have fertilized ? I am referring to granular fertilizing ( Nitrogen 34 - 0 - 0 type on Bermuda ) and watering in the fertilizer once done . Is it okay to mow a couple of days after or should you wait longer ? Thanks ! Email Save Comment 6 Like Comments ( 6 ) Billl If you water it in , you should wait until the grass is dry . There is no need to wait longer . However , if you are using a weed - n - feed type product , you should wait as long as practical so the product has time to absorb through the blades . Like Save July 5 , 2011 nearandwest Mow just before you apply 34 - 0 - 0 , then apply the fertilizer , then water in thoroughly . You should be able to mow at the next scheduled mowing . tuck479 Ok , thank you all ! texas_weed It is a good question and the answer might surprise you . Assuming you watered it in , anytime after it dries . However do not fertilize immediately right after mowing . OK to mow in the morning , but wait at least until the evening to fertilize . Reason is when cut the ends of the grass blades need to dry , or scab over so to speak . The dust from the fertilizer can stick to the wet ends of fresh cut grass and burn the tips . 1 Like good tip ! ! thanks Texas Weed ! 1 Like July 6 , 2011 nearandwest Weed : I ' ve been doing it that way with prilled 34 - 0 - 0 since 1983 . I ' ve never had the burn you are referring to . Have you never dissolved 34 - 0 - 0 and applied it as a sprayable ? July 6 , 2011 Sign Up to Comment Sponsored Ferguson Bath , Kitchen & Lighting Gallery 211 Reviews Ferguson Bath , Kitchen & Lighting Gallery Related Discussions OLLD 4 / 7 - " Outing Day " 74 Bush Stops Flowering 10 Days After Planting 8 Before and after one year later ! 259 Katy , TX kitchen remodel - before and after 89 Landscaping is a mess after construction - ideas to fix up ? 15 More Discussions New construction , new lawn 5 This is nice but why is it appearing in my lawn here and there . 2 Can I put down lime after fertilizer ? 1 Bare spots , crabgrass and other weeds , need advice ! 3 Bermuda lawn Soil test results 0 Sponsored Products Houzer 190 - 9180 3.5 " Basket Strainer Rustic Luxe Tiered Wine Racks , Set of 2 Addison Ceramic Canisters , 3 - Piece Set Marcel Farmhouse Kitchen Cabinet , Dark Gray / Oak Brown Double Bowl Farmhouse Sink With Floral Carving , Carrara White Marble , 60 / 40 Wine Wall Storage Rack CellarVue Ponderosa Pine Showcase Wine Rack , Black Stain , Satin Finish Petrified Wood Kitchen Sink | [
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http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1623444/plug-vs-spike-aerators | Plug vs . Spike aerators ? Comments ( 17 ) mownie Plug aerators ( aka Core aerators ) create a large void that increases the effectiveness of other actions you might be performing in conjunction with the aerating process per se . A spike or slit aerator makes a much smaller , shorter lived perforation in the soils , so you will need to aerate more often with a spike or slit aerator than if a core aerator is used . Also , regarding water uptake into the soil : A core aerator provides larger holes that can fill with water during a rain shower which means your soil has a better chance of absorbing extra water that may well run off if the soil was n ' t aerated at all . Core aerators , with the larger holes created , permit grass clippings , grass seed ( if overseeding in conjunction with aeration ) , fertilizer , top dressings etc . to reach deeper into the soil and remain in place more effectively than spike / slit aerators . If core aeration is appealing to you , you will have to decide if you want to buy and maintain the implement , or rent one for a day ' s use . A spike or slit aerator , on the other hand , is cheap enough that you can buy one and aerate as often as you want . There are models and styles that allow you to spike / slit aerate while also spreading seed , or fertilizer , or lime , etc . during the aerating process . You can tow a spike / slit aerator when you mow and make it a combo operation if you like . Here is a link that might be useful : Aerate lawn 1 Like Save April 7 , 2010 wheelhorse_of_course As usual , Mownie ' s dissertation is right - on . A few additional points The plug aerator leaves little turds ( plugs ) on the lawn and therefore may temporarily offend you ( depending on your sensibilities . However , if you are going organic ( or low chemical ) these little turds will help cause bio - activity at the top level . This will serve to reduce thatch build up and promote healthy growth . 1 Like Save April 7 , 2010 cjsm5nys Thanks guys . I ' ll opt for the plug aerator . I think a 48inch from JD , Brinley and Agri - fab run about 250 - 300 . Like barncats Plug is best . The dirt turds disappear after a week or so unless you decide to use your lawn roller after you aerate in hopes it will hasten the disappearing process . Trust me - it does n ' t . donc_1966 Another thing to consider , Plug aerators require a more substantial tractor to pull because of the resistance caused by the weight necessary to penetrate the soil . I use 180 lbs of weight on my Brinley aerator on clay soil . Don { { gwi : 318275 } } { { gwi : 318276 } } April 11 , 2010 raichovasilev Plug aerators are far better than normal spikes , they are efficient and as the name says they aerate the lawn : ) @ mownie has give the best detail and you should go for aerator , you can buy one new / used or rent one from your local home depot tool rental Like September 27 , 2011 rcbe shill ? September 27 , 2011 nick0001 Is it even worth it to use a spike aerator ? I found one for $ 100 and thought if I used it twice a year it ' d be worth it but if it does n ' t even benefit the lawn , there ' s no point . March 27 , 2015 lt150 Might want to check if your lawn tractor is capable of handling a 48 " core aerator . Adding the extra weight along with the core aerator itself could damage your tractor . March 27 , 2015 leafeanator I bought a plug aerator 20 + years ago ( Brinly ) and the first weekend I had it I aerated about 10 yards of co - workers . Made enough money in two days to pay for it plus some profit . Only service on my Brinley has been a set of tines I wore out . Made a box for it to fill with water for whatever weight I want Also added a winch to raise and lower it from the drivers seat for going over sidewalks and driveways March 28 , 2015 last modified : April 1 , 2015 leafeanator Here is the winch in action , changed to a better limit switch later . Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available . Click here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video . March 28 , 2015 wheelhorse_of_course Nice leafenator . I had never thought of offsetting the higher cost of the plug aerator by doing paid work , but I like it . You can still give the neighbors a good deal and still raise the money . Just watch out for sprinkler systems , I put a hole in one of my lines last fall . March 29 , 2015 Yeah , that could be a problem ! March 30 , 2015 sirjuice Any issues breaking or damaging sprinkler heads ? May 13 , 2015 Mark the heads and go around them . The lines should be deep enough to not worry about . I had a line shallow by my buried utilities that I punctured . May 13 , 2015 backinthesaddleagain A core aerator is by far more effective . However , the comments relative to needing a more robust tractor are valid . . .specifically with regard to the transmission . Some light duty lawn tractor transmissions may not be up to it . Most machines have enough HP . Also . . . .you want to do core aerating when the turf is soaked with water and soft . The tines penetrate better / deeper than when it ' s dry and hard . Sign Up to Comment | [
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http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1711208/knockout-leaves-turning-yellow-then-crispy-brown-and-falling | Roses Knockout leaves turning yellow , then crispy brown and falling trios104 October 7 , 2011 I have 8 knockout roses and 2 katy road pinks that all seem to have the same problem . The lower half leaves turn yellow , then crispy brown and fall off . The roses continue to grow and bloom but I ' m left with leggy , scraggly bushes . We ' ve had an ongoing drought for 3 years now and it ' s very difficult with so little rain to feel my garden is watered well . I have clay soil also . I was told it was blackspot but the leaves do n ' t get Email Save Comment 5 Like Comments ( 5 ) seil zone 6b MI If there are no spots it ' s probably not black spot . My guess is that the rose is just shedding older leaves due to heat and water stress . Leaves perspire and the rose loses water so it sheds leaves to maintain a better water supply to the parts that are growing . If they are other wise healthy and blooming I would n ' t worry . . .just water , a lot ! Like Save October 7 , 2011 Jeannie Cochell Lower leaves are the oldest leaves and will drop for any number of reasons but in heat and water stress , roses will sacrifice old growth for new . An annual dropping of leaves is n ' t uncommon as we enter a period of natural dormancy or significant weather changes that impact uptake or availability of nutrients to the plant . Increasing the water during periods of heat and drought will limit the leaf - drop but also erecting some type of shade structure will limit it substantially as the intensity of the sunlight and heat is reduced . Limiting or reducing fertilizer applications during extremely hot weather will curtail some new growth and not stress the bush as much . Keep in mind that when leaves turn yellow and fall in a forest , we call it Autumn and expect the trees to go dormant as winter moves in . Some roses react the same way as they sense changes in humidity and temperature . In this area , we do a light pruning to remove summer growth and encourage new growth and fall blooms then do a hard - pruning in January . At that time , we remove all leaves anyway . I believe blackspot is a tough disease for arid climates to have , especially when the average daily temperatures are over 90F and humidity less than 15 % . Phoenix even saw a couple days where humidity was less than 0 % this summer . 1 Like dublinbay z6 ( KS ) I agree with the others that it is probably aging leaves turning yellow and dropping off , but just to be sure , check and see how wet the soil is around those roses - - like stick you finger in 4 inches and see if it is wet that deep down . If it is , you may be losing leaves from too much water . Perhaps you are overcompensating , given the drought and water problems , and now are over - watering . But if the soil is not wet , do n ' t worry about Kate 1 Like ramblinrosez7b The stem even gets yellow at the point of connection to the cane . That would be a concern , if the stems are turning yellow then I would wonder if the plant is either going dormant for the winter or you are having problems below the surface . It could be spider mites since you said it has been very dry . Are you seeing any webbing near the yellow leaves ? trios104 I definitely now think it ' s a combination of our intense heat this past summer and the lack of rain . Our city water tends to contain a lot of calcium and relying solely on it is difficult . With even just a 1 / 2 inch of rain you can notice a distinct difference in the landscape . I ' m going to try using soaker hoses weekly to do a deep watering and see if that helps . October 8 , 2011 Sign Up to Comment | [
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http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1722698/when-do-i-pick-pears | When do I pick pears ? Comments ( 8 ) jean001 Cradle a pear in your hand , then gently lift it upward . It ' s ready if it easily breaks free . Like Save September 19 , 2008 ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5 we let those bombs . . fall to the ground . . . on grass . . . then put them on a picnic table in the shade . . and in a month or two . . they were ready to eat . . . unless you have good teeth . . and like your pear to have the mouth feel of an apple . . . the minimally damaged ones . . actually ripen faster . . . .and it sounds like you will have enough , regardless of damage . . . clean and cut into 1 / 2 inch squares . . and throw them in a pan . . a little butter . . . . and cook until mushy . . and put over pancakes . . also throw in some apples . . . and near the end . . some banana . . . . . YOU REALLY SHOULDNT NEED SUGAR . . . . you can do it in the microwave . . for mush . . but the little caramelization from the pan is better . . . good eating . . ken Like Save September 20 , 2008 donnaz5 Thank you both . Love the recipe . .I will try it . Will frost or a freeze hurt them ? We ' re getting near that time . .should I pick them all if we have a freeze coming ? Donna September 20 , 2008 lucky_p donna , It depends upon your pear - if they ' re Asian varieties , then jean ' s method is good - if you lift and the stem detaches from the branch , they ' re ready . But , if it ' s a European pear variety , they ' re best picked from the tree while still firm - at most , barely yielding to firm finger pressure at the stem end - then , refrigerated for 20 - 60 days ( varies , depending upon variety ) before pulling them out , a few at a time , to allow them to ripen for a few days at room temperature . With most European pears , if you leave them to ' ripen on the tree ' , what you get is pears ' rotting on the tree ' . jean001 It was said : " . . .if they ' re Asian varieties , then jean ' s method is good . . .But , if it ' s a European pear variety , they ' re best picked from the tree while still firm " Well , we picked a friend ' s Bartlett ' s with the lift - and - release method just 2 weeks ago . Worked fine . But after you harvest them , and before you eat the Europeans , they should sit on the counter until they color up . In other words , even though they ' re very firm and green when picked , they are mature . Thus , they will ripen within weeks . lucky_p Proper picking & ripening times will vary considerably for each individual Euro pear variety - and one ' s own preference for taste / consistency will also come into play . I ' ve got close to 30 different varieties and every one is different . Bartlett may work well for jean in Portland - but it ' s a non - starter here in the hot , humid Southeast ; fireblight will eat its shorts in no time - and the lift - and - release method may work well for her there , but if I waited for my Europeans to lift & separate , they ' d be way too mushy for my taste , and in fact , would probably be brown and gooey inside . September 21 , 2008 donna , Here ' s an archived note I ' ve saved for years on ripening pears from one of my mentors who operated one of the premier fruit tree nurseries & orchards in the eastern US for nearly 30 years : " Most all European pears ( exception is the new Green Jade ) , require post picking chill to properly mature . Or , when fruit exhibit slight color changes , begin to test pressure ( using your thumb ) near the stem . When there is a slight " give " , pick all the fruit , store at or near 35 degrees for 7 or more days . Then you can remove them as needed , allow them to sit at room temps for 2 - 4 days which allows them to ripen to peak flavor . Years ago , I got a letter from an older NAFEX fellow who told me that European types were very difficult to ripen due to varietal quirks or requirements in post harvest handling . He said " E * , if you live long enough to learn how to properly ripen 10 varieties , you ' ll be lucky " . I ' m still working on it ! ! ! Additionally , here ' s a couple of posts from an ongoing current discussion on pear ripening on the NAFEX e - list : JF ( in MN ) wrote : Following someone ' s post about picking pears before they get tree ripened and putting them in cold storage , I picked my Ure Pears when they first began changing color . Apparently I missed some and they fell off the tree two weeks later . Wishing to learn how tree - ripening affected stone cell production , I bit into several finding they are the best tasting pears I have ever eaten . There was an acceptable , tiny bit of grit in the peel but the flesh was wonderful . Henceforth I ' ll let them ripen on KM ( in MI ) replied : Interesting topic . I have several pear trees and note some are simply marvelous when tree ripened . I pull some at the conventional point and tree ripen some to get the best of both worlds . Harvest Queen is about the finest tasting pear I have had when tree ripe . . .simply amazing . When given conventional treatment it is still a darn good pear . I have yet to get one that rotted from the inside out when tree ripened . Harrow Sweet is also excellent tree ripe . However some do rot from the inside out . I ca n ' t figure out why that happens as it is definitely hit or miss . Figure a 15 % loss if you tree ripen . Potomac is a mixed bag , it tends to rot from the inside out about 30 % of the time - but and check this out , it can and will ferment in the skin . So if you want to get plastered this might be a candidate . Magness and Warren both ripen on the tree with limited rot , but I can not say there is much of an improvement in taste over conventional methods . Atlantic Queen . . . .this is awesome tree ripe . I think this is all I tried the tree ripening thing on . Your mileage may vary - as mine here in the hot humid South is at least partially different from jean ' s in the PNW - but , what the heck , try some both ways ! September 23 , 2008 HU - 169972632 I have a Sierra Pear . I live on Vancouver Island . Canada . Mostly I pick before ripe but this year the tree is loaded and they are not as big as usual and they are starting to fall off . Should I pick now ? Ed Mankelow September 22 , 2018 Sign Up to Comment | [
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http://forums2.gardenweb.com/discussions/1768301/astilbe | Winter Sowing astilbe gratefulgardener3300 December 23 , 2009 i ' ve been trying for 3 years to ws astilbes ( have a little shade ) and with no luck . this year i didnt even get them in a jug before i screwed it up by letting my dog loose on the solstice . does anyone have astilbe seeds for sase ? my garden would really appreciate it . Email Save Comment 23 Like Comments ( 23 ) not_a_contessa I have some I can send you , I harvested them this year , my plants make lovely pink - rose flowers . Send me an e - mail if you are interested and I ' ll e - mail you a picture of them . Mary Like Save December 24 , 2009 gardenweed_z6a gratefulgardener3300 - I harvested dry , mature flower / seed heads from my best astilbes in late November this year and put them in a brown paper bag on the attic stairs to dry all the way . I have n ' t tried harvesting the seeds because from what I ' ve read on this forum , they ' re nearly impossible to grow from seed . Be that as it may , I should be able to shake some seeds out so if you ' d like some I ' d be happy to send you a packet December 24 , 2009 tiffy_z5_6_can Sorry , but I must disagree with Gardenweed . I have had reat success with Astilbe to the point that I am no longer doing them . My goal was to have enough to start eliminating the Hostas in some of the gardens since the deers eat the Hostas but not the Astilbes . You can see some winter sown Astilbes in the following photo . { { gwi : 432952 } } They are actually quite easy . Just press the seeds on the surface of the moist soil - do n ' t even bother covering them . Do not expect early germination - more like late June / early July . Keep that soil moist . Another thing I do is I place the containers in dappled shade . They are truly at home there as mature plants and now reseed on their own . : O ) December 25 , 2009 gardenweed_z6a tiffy - thanks for contradicting me ! I ' ve read whatever I found here on GW about WS astilbe and you ' re the first person to have reported success . So that ' s good news and makes me glad I harvested some seed heads this year . I ' ll give them a whirl and let you know how they do . Thanks for the tip about the slower germination too - - it ' ll keep me from getting discouraged . December 25 , 2009 carrie630 tiff - your astilbe always amaze me - just gorgeous Carrie mnwsgal Those are beautiful astilbe . I have winter sown seeds of astilbe from trades several times and not gotten any germination . Seed from my own astilbe germinated sporadically and I ended up with just a couple of plants . I am not giving up and will try again this year . Astilbe does not self sow for me . December 26 , 2009 just1morehosta Iam so happy to see this posting , Tiffy , on one of the posings , i asked you if you knew the name of the ones your grew , i can not remember which posting it was , so i did not see your amswer , would you have any seed for ssse ? I love the color of yours . Thanks , cAROL December 26 , 2009 Does anyone know if astilbe seeds look tiny like dust motes , similar to buddleia and foxglove ? I shook some seed heads over a piece of white paper and tiny , tiny specks fell out . The rest makes me think it ' s just chaff . I Googled and there are no pictures on the UK seed ID site either . No luck getting a visual from Google . I ' m happy to trade seeds and have multiple stunning plants but do n ' t want to short change anyone out of ignorance . If someone has tiffy_z5_6_can Carol . I went and deadheaded everything this year and collected very few seeds . In the Astilbe department , I do n ' t think I collected any at all but will check in the next few days to see if any were left in the gardens and will contact you if there were . Gardenweed , Oh gosh ! ! They are so tiny it ' s incredible . When I requested Astilbe seeds in the past I would tell the trader to send me a spent seed stem from the plant and not even bother looking for the seeds . Then I would sow chaff and all over the surface of the soil , just gently crumbling the whole thing in my hand as I sowed . That is how I ' ve traded them in the past as well - I ' ve sent the whole seed head / stem . December 27 , 2009 just1morehosta Thanks tiffy , Do you know the name ? cAROL December 27 , 2009 tiffy - thanks so much for clearing that up . I saved some seed heads from my most amazing astilbes but was n ' t even going to WS them unless I thought I could find the seeds . I did as you suggested and crumbled a few seed heads but figured I ' d need to include the chaff as well as the seed in any trades . cAROL , I ' ve got seed heads if you still want some for WS . Just shoot me an email with your address and I ' ll send you some of the ones that are like tiffy ' s gorgeous , fluffy pink one in the other thread you mentioned . I got mine from O ' Brien Hosta in Granby , CT so I ca n ' t guarantee the name 100 % - - only what the plant was marked when I bought it . cAROL , the other thread where you saw the photo of the fluffy pink astilbe is What are your Favorites ? / Mainstays of your Garden . I opened the thread and when I scrolled down I saw the photo . That ' s the pink astilbe chinensis I have growing here too - - I just divided it this year for the first time . Gardenweed , I am sending you an e mail . Yep , thats the posting , sometimes i read so many , and then ca n ' t remember where it was at , thank you . I do believe they are the prettiest Astilbe i have seen . I decided to WS 2 containers of seeds + chaff today after reading the seeds are as tiny as dust motes . I figure if I get anything I ' m ahead of the game . Astilbes seem to love the climate & soil here - - I divided a few this year and gave the divisions to a neighbor . She was over the moon excited to get them so it ' s possible her wall of reserve was lowered a little . Several of the astilbes I ' ve planted came from a big box store that was selling bare - root perennials . Color me happy they turned out to be some of the most amazing plants in terms of size and blooms . melaroma Does Astilbe flower on the first year ? Mel December 31 , 2009 Mel , This is a perennial which will make you wait . If you have good soil , they will flower in their second year , but I generally have to wait for year three . My sentiment on this is that plants which require more patience in the beginning and less work in the end are the ones which give the most gratification ! : O ) This is definitely one of those plants . January 1 , 2010 melaroma Tiffy , Thanks for letting me know . I have good soil as I made sure to mix in black forest before starting any of my flower beds . It is expensive but seeing my plants go crazy in it makes it worth it , plus it retains moisture so I water less . Hopefully they will flower in the second year . Since my front beds are bare ( just bought the house ) I think that I will end up purchasing some Astilbe to begin with and seed to fill it in . I do have some Hostas and liriope Mel January 1 , 2010 cat_delgado Mel , I totally understand your anxiety , I bouhgt my house last year and all the garden beds are dirt and weeds as well . it ' s so frustrating having to wait for the ground to unfreeze here in CT . I ' m anxious to get as much into the ground this year as possible . I ' ve been going online nursery shopping crazy but have every sunny window going with seeds again this year . However , this year I researched what got all my little plants last year . .SLUGS ! ! ! I ' m bulbs . com or Spring hill nursery . com . I got some stuff from them both this year and last and the price was good , quality decent . February 4 , 2010 rinomanfroni I have bought a packet of 100 seeds from SwallowTailGardenSeeds and after three weeks of staying at 70F and with 16 hours of grow light per day , only three super - tiny seedlings have grown . I think I also have a problem with Fungus Gnats , and I have treated the soil with Bayer Advanced Complete Insect Killer for Soil and Turf . So , I have a 3 % germination so far . . . that is quite disappointing , but I am happy at the same time because I see people here that ca n ' The problem now is : Will these seedlings grow strong and be ready for Spring transplanting ? Advices are VERY welcome ! I do not want to lose these precious seedlings ! { { gwi : 459017 } } { { gwi : 459018 } } February 8 , 2010 gardenluv Melaroma - what is black forest ? I am intrigued ! February 8 , 2010 Yes , inquiring minds want to now . What IS Black Forest ? conniesc ok I had to look up black forest . . Now I need to get some : ) Here is a link that might be useful : black forest description February 9 , 2010 mnwsgal Last year my seedling astilbe grew very slowly and was still quite small when I planted it out in the fall . I hope Tiffy responds with her experience as know she has ws and grown astilbe . February 9 , 2010 Sign Up to Comment | [
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Register FAQ Search Today ' s Posts Mark Forums Read TwoPlusTwo . com Notices Other Other Topics Discussion of arts & entertainment , pop culture , food & drink , health and exercise , fashion , relationships , work , and just about anything else in life except poker , sports , religion and politics . Thread Tools Display Modes 08 - 21 - 2009 , 06 : 15 PM 1 Onaflag old hand Join Date : Oct 2004 Location : Space for Rent Posts : 1,511 Can a witness go to jail for not reporting a crime ? Can a witness to a crime in the U.S. go to jail for not reporting the crime ? Scenario 1 - John goes to Zed ' s house to pick him up to go fishing . While Zed ' s inside grabbing his tackle box a breeze magically blows the curtains aside and John notices someone inside shackled to table obviously beaten . When Zed comes out he ' s oblivious to the fact that John saw what he did , but neighborhood hi - res security cameras clearly show that John knows . He chooses to keep quiet for whatever reason . Some time later Zed gets busted and the security tapes reveal that John knew . Can he go to jail ? Scenario 2 - Julie is driving down a random street following a random car . The driver in the car ahead of her rolls the window down , pulls out rocket launcher and blasts the oncoming car to smitherines . There are no other witnesses and those were the only three cars in the area . Again , super hi - res cameras cleary show that Julie saw the whole thing go down . Plus , she has a photographic memory and can easily tell the cops every last detail about the car , but chooses for whatever reason not Is Julie going to jail ? Personal opinion about the scum factor of John and Julie are cool , but I ' m more interested in the law . 08 - 21 - 2009 , 06 : 18 PM 2 pokernoob12 banned Join Date : Jun 2009 Posts : 898 Re : Can a witness go to jail for not reporting a crime ? Zeds dead . 08 - 21 - 2009 , 06 : 19 PM 3 stabn Usurper Join Date : Sep 2004 Location : Boris ? Posts : 21,285 Re : Can a witness go to jail for not reporting a crime ? Quote : Originally Posted by pokernoob12 Zeds dead . I do n ' t know who you are but that was fantastic . 08 - 21 - 2009 , 06 : 20 PM 4 Franchise 60 deliciously angry Join Date : Jun 2007 Location : Ferocious , is n ' t he ? Posts : 42,744 Perfection . 08 - 21 - 2009 , 06 : 21 PM 5 Onaflag old hand Join Date : Oct 2004 Location : Space for Rent Posts : 1,511 Is it too late to say I knew exactly what the first reply would be ? 08 - 21 - 2009 , 06 : 32 PM 6 Mr . WeakTight Join Date : Mar 2007 Location : land of 11,842 lakes Posts : 1,217 As a general rule , witness can not be prosecuted for not reporting a crime . In scenario 1 , however , if investigators can figure out John ' s name and location , they can subpoena him . If he refuses to testify , he can be prosecuted . Also , if we change the scenario a little bit , and helped Zed at all , he can be charged with conspiracy . In scenario 2 , I guess it ' s less likely that they could figure out Julie ' s name and location , but if they can , same rules apply . 08 - 21 - 2009 , 06 : 33 PM 7 TheUntouchable banned Join Date : Nov 2008 Posts : 23,975 08 - 21 - 2009 , 06 : 47 PM 8 fraserbrown veteran Join Date : Jul 2007 Location : Paperwork Mountain Posts : 2,925 If the can be tracked down and identified both John and Julie can be served with subpoenas that would compel them to testify as material witnesses . If they are identified as a material witness they can be held in custody to ensure their testimony 08 - 21 - 2009 , 06 : 49 PM 9 Franchise 60 deliciously angry Join Date : Jun 2007 Location : Ferocious , is n ' t he ? Posts : 42,744 Ugh I came back to make a Seinfeld reference . 08 - 21 - 2009 , 07 : 09 PM 10 LKJ Smugly Contemptuous Join Date : Aug 2003 Posts : 85,899 Seinfeld was a good Samaritan law issue though , not obstruction of justice or conspiracy . 08 - 21 - 2009 , 07 : 16 PM 11 Maso777 Carpal \ ' Tunnel Join Date : Jun 2008 Posts : 6,962 Quote : Originally Posted by fraserbrown If the can be tracked down and identified both John and Julie can be served with subpoenas that would compel them to testify as material witnesses . If they are identified as a material witness they can be held in custody to ensure their testimony This is true , there is nothing illegal about not reporting a crime , but they can force you to testify . If you refuse to testify you can go to jail . According to this : http : / / scc . lexum . umontreal . ca / en / 199 . . .5rcs4 - 186 . html In Canada a witness refused to testify in Supreme court & also told the judge to * * * * off along with a number of other insults , and he was sentenced to 6 months in jail for contempt . 08 - 21 - 2009 , 07 : 26 PM 12 veteran Join Date : Jul 2007 Location : Paperwork Mountain Posts : 2,925 LKJ Seinfeld was a good Samaritan law issue though , not obstruction of justice or conspiracy . Not reporting a crime is not obstruction or conspiracy . If John decides to hinder any subsequent investigation he is obstructing . If he counsels , aids or abets any illegal acts wrt Zed then he is guilty of conspiracy and possibly accessory after the fact . I seriously doubt they are going to throw away the key if they get John for conspiracy to improperly dispose of a body or desacration of a human body . Most likely they would ask him to come in , if he refuses to talk declare him a material witness and compel him / Internet lawyer 08 - 22 - 2009 , 03 : 24 AM 13 garcia1000 Carpal \ ' Tunnel Join Date : Dec 2004 Location : Hong Kong Posts : 7,855 Obstruction or being an accomplice is a crime , but not reporting a crime is not . Jaywalking is a crime , you do n ' t get people being arrested for not reporting jaywalkers . 08 - 22 - 2009 , 06 : 41 AM 14 2 / 325Falcon Conehead Join Date : Aug 2005 Posts : 21,784 08 - 22 - 2009 , 06 : 56 AM 15 punkass Join Date : Oct 2002 Location : hip deep in pie Posts : 11,283 Damn those super hi - res community cameras pointed to people ' s houses and deserted streets . 08 - 22 - 2009 , 09 : 09 AM 16 TLY adept Join Date : Mar 2009 Location : grindin ' til my eyes bleed Posts : 873 08 - 22 - 2009 , 10 : 57 AM 17 Mr . Z - bomb adept Join Date : May 2009 Location : wny Posts : 759 Can a witness to a crime in the U.S. go to jail for not reporting the crime ? Scenario 1 - John goes to Zed ' s house to pick him up to go fishing . While Zed ' s inside grabbing his tackle box a breeze magically blows the curtains aside and John notices someone inside shackled to table obviously beaten . When Zed comes out he ' s oblivious to the fact that John saw what he did , but neighborhood hi - res security cameras clearly show that John knows . He chooses to keep quiet for whatever reason . Some time later Zed gets busted and the security tapes reveal that John knew . Can he go to jail ? wow , what going on inside your head to think of of something like this , you need to get help before you hurt someone . get help . see a therapist today . see a therapist today . see a therapist today . see a therapist today . 08 - 22 - 2009 , 11 : 22 AM 18 Smugly Contemptuous Join Date : Aug 2003 Posts : 85,899 Not reporting a crime is not obstruction or conspiracy . If John decides to hinder any subsequent investigation he is obstructing . If he counsels , aids or abets any illegal acts wrt Zed then he is guilty of conspiracy and possibly accessory after the fact . I seriously doubt they are going to throw away the key if they get John for conspiracy to improperly dispose of a body or desacration of a human body . Most likely they would ask him to come in , if he refuses to talk declare him a material witness and compel him / Internet lawyer Yeah I know some of this ( just getting started on 1L so I ' m mostly still a layman ) , I was mostly just drawing the distinction that the Seinfeld finale was n ' t about " not reporting a crime . " 08 - 22 - 2009 , 11 : 35 AM 19 senjitsu Join Date : Sep 2004 Location : λαγχάν Posts : 3,058 Seinfeld was a good Samaritan law issue though , not obstruction of justice or conspiracy . yeah it was also fictional ( thats not really what good samaritian laws are , theyre civil , not criminal , and they protect someone who chooses to give help from liability ) 08 - 22 - 2009 , 11 : 41 AM 20 Pyromaniac enduring Join Date : Jul 2005 Location : bang agon Posts : 17,593 is this story connected to yr scenario # 1 at all ? First thing I thought of when I read it : Pizza Delivery Guy Hero I ' m not sure that having a law makes much difference in these instances . The motivation to report the crime ( or , I guess , to * not * report it ) is n ' t really impacted by the possibility of getting charged with a crime yourself , I do n ' t think . 08 - 22 - 2009 , 11 : 51 AM 21 senjitsu Location : λαγχάν Posts : 3,058 scenario 1 - - it varies from state to state . Some states you can be charged for failure to report an ongoing crime ( Ohio and Alaska have the most stringent requirements ) and in some you cant . EIther way , if your actions are absurd or reprehensible enough youll probably get charged as an accessory after the fact ( ie if you see some dude chained to your crazy neighbors wall and dont tell anyone about it ) . In most states , you dont need any type of overt act for accessory after the fact . scenario 2 - - no , you cant be prosecuted merely for failing to aid the police in an investigation . However , if the circumstances are egregious enough ( like if some guy goes space marine with a rocket launcher on the highway and you know the guys name and address but wont say anything just to be a dick ) the da will ask a judge to grant a material witness warrant and youll sit in jail until you change your mind or until they find the guy and he goes to trial . 08 - 22 - 2009 , 12 : 17 PM 22 Fleebrog Master Sheepulator Join Date : Aug 2008 Posts : 13,183 Does anybody remember the Sherrice Iverson case ? She was a little girl who was raped and murdered in a Nevada casino bathroom . The particulars of the case are quite shocking and disgusting , from the father ' s total inattention to his daughter while he gambled to the totally casual way the 18 year old perpetrator broke the girl ' s neck . The guy ' s friend knew about it but did n ' t do anything , and came off as less than sympathetic to the victim . However at the time , keeping quiet was n ' t a crime and there was n ' t enough to charge him as an accessory . There was such an uproar that a law was passed in Nevada and / or California making it a crime to not report a witnessed sexual assault of a minor : http : / / articles . latimes . com / 2000 / sep / 19 / local / me - 23477 The Wikipedia article on this case states that the bill never passed in Nevada , it makes no mention of California . 08 - 22 - 2009 , 12 : 49 PM 23 Pyromaniac enduring Join Date : Jul 2005 Location : bang agon Posts : 17,593 Flee , yr link had this bit : Cash was the target of several protests and a campaign to punish people who fail to act when they witness such attacks . which made me rethink the intent of the OP ' s question - is this about having laws to punish people ? or is it about having laws to coerce moral behavior ? The first is achievable , but I doubt the second . The pizza guy was going to report what happened , no matter what , and the casino guy ' s friend was n ' t going to report it . At least , I do n ' t think so . 08 - 23 - 2009 , 04 : 22 PM 24 NutzyClutz grinder Join Date : Jun 2005 Posts : 591 Perhaps there is no law , because it would taint all witnesses . One might subconsciously report shades of gray crimes feeling coerced . Tweet Previous Thread | Next Thread Thread Tools Show Printable Version Email this Page Display Modes Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode Posting Rules You may not post new threads You may not post replies post attachments edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On [ IMG ] code is HTML code is Off Forum Rules Forum Jump All times are GMT - 4 . The time now is 09 : 24 AM Contact Us Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Privacy Statement Top Powered by vBulletin ® Copyright © 2000 - 2019 , Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd . 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http://fossil.wikia.com/wiki/Allosaurus | in : Featured Articles Dinosaurs of Europe Jurassic dinosaurs and 5 more Allosaurus Edit Share Allosaurus Fossil range : Late Jurassic , 155 – 148 Ma PreЄ Є O S D C P T J K Pg N Life restoration of Allosaurus fragilis Scientific classification Class Reptilia Superorder Dinosauria Order Saurischia Suborder Theropoda Infraorder Carnosauria Family Allosauridae Genus Marsh 1877 Species A . fragilis Marsh , 1877 ( type A . europaeus Mateus et al . 2006 A . " jimmadseni " Chure , 2000 vide Glut 2003 nomen nudum A . tendagurensis Janensch 1925 Synonyms Creosaurus Marsh , 1878 Labrosaurus Marsh , 1879 Antrodemus Leidy , 1870 Apatodon Marsh , 1877 Epanterias Cope , 1878 was a genus of large theropod dinosaur that lived 155 to 145 million years ago , during the late Jurassic period Kimmeridgian to Tithonian ) . The name means " different lizard " and is derived from the Greek αλλος allos ( " different , strange " ) and σαυρος sauros ( " lizard " ) . The first remains that can definitely be ascribed to this genus were described in 1877 by Othniel Charles Marsh . As one of the first well - known theropod dinosaurs , it has long attracted attention outside of paleontological circles , and has been a lead dinosaur in several films and documentaries . was a large bipedal predator with a large skull , equipped with dozens of large , sharp teeth . It averaged 8.5 meters ( 28 ft ) in length , though fragmentary remains suggest it could have reached over 12 meters ( 39 ft ) . Relative to the large and powerful hindlimbs , its three - fingered forelimbs were small , and the body was balanced by a long , heavy tail . It is classified as an allosaurid , a type of carnosaurian theropod dinosaur . The genus has a complicated taxonomy , and includes an uncertain number of valid species , the best known of which is A . fragilis . The bulk of remains have come from North America ' s Morrison Formation , with material also known from Portugal and possibly Tanzania . It was known for over half of the 20th century as Antrodemus , but study of the copious remains from the Cleveland Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry brought the name back to prominence , and established it as one of the best - known dinosaurs . As the prominent large predator in the Morrison Formation was at the top of the food chain , probably preying on contemporaneous large herbivorous dinosaurs and perhaps even other predators ( e.g Ceratosaurus ) . Potential prey included ornithopods stegosaurids , and sauropods . Some paleontologists interpret as having had cooperative social behavior , and hunting in packs , while others believe individuals may have been aggressive toward each other , and that congregations of this genus are the result of lone individuals feeding on the same carcasses . It may have attacked large prey by ambush , using its upper jaws like a hatchet . Contents show Description Edit The size range of , compared with a human . was a typical large theropod , having a massive skull on a short neck , a long tail and reduced forelimbs . Allosaurus fragilis , the best - known species , had an average length of 8.5 meters ( 28 ft ) , with the largest definitive specimen ( AMNH 680 ) estimated at 9.7 meters long ( 32 ft ) , and an estimated weight of 2.3 metric tons ( 2.5 short tons ) . In his 1976 monograph on , James Madsen mentioned a range of bone sizes which he interpreted to show a maximum length of 12 to 13 meters ( 40 to 43 ft ) . As with dinosaurs in general , weight estimates are debatable , and since 1980 have ranged between 1500 kilograms ( 3300 lb ) , 1000 to 4000 kilograms ( 2200 to 8800 lb ) , and 1010 kilograms ( 2230 lb ) for modal adult weight ( not maximum ) . John Foster , a specialist on the Morrison Formation , suggests that 1000 kg ( 2200 lb ) is reasonable for large adults of , but that 700 kg ( 1500 lb ) is a closer estimate for individuals represented by the average - sized thigh bones he has measured . Several gigantic specimens have been attributed to , but may in fact belong to other genera . The closely related genus Saurophaganax OMNH 1708 ) reached perhaps 10.9 meters ( 36 ft ) in length , and its single species has sometimes been included in the genus as Allosaurus maximus , though recent studies support it as a separate genus . Another potential specimen of , once assigned to the genus Epanterias ( AMNH 5767 ) , may have measured 12.1 meters in length ( 40 ft ) . A more recent discovery is a partial skeleton from the Peterson Quarry in Morrison rocks of New Mexico ; this large allosaurid may be another individual of Saurophaganx Skull Skull of mounted skeleton ( USNM4734 ) at the National Museum of Natural History Skull of the skeleton mounted in the lobby of the San Diego Natural History Museum The skull and teeth of were modestly proportioned for a theropod of its size . Paleontologist Gregory S . Paul gives a length of 845 millimeters ( 33.3 in ) for a skull belonging to an individual he estimates at 7.9 meters long ( 26 ft ) . Each premaxilla ( the bones that formed the tip of the snout ) , held five teeth with D - shaped cross - sections , and each maxilla ( the main tooth - bearing bones in the upper jaw ) had between fourteen and seventeen teeth ; the number of teeth does not exactly correspond to the size of the bone . Each dentary ( the tooth - bearing bone of the lower jaw ) had between fourteen and seventeen teeth , with an average count of sixteen . The teeth became shorter , more narrow , and more curved toward the back of the skull . All of the teeth had saw - like edges . They were shed easily , and were replaced continually , making them common fossils . The skull had a pair of horns above and in front of the eyes . These horns were composed of extensions of the lacrimal bones and varied in shape and size . There were also lower paired ridges running along the top edges of the nasal bones that led into the horns . The horns were probably covered in a keratin sheath and may have had a variety of functions , including acting as sunshades for the eye , being used for display , and being used in combat against other members of the same species ( although they were fragile ) . There was a ridge along the back of the skull roof for muscle attachment , as is also seen in tyrannosaurids Inside the lacrimal bones were depressions that may have held glands , such as salt glands Within the maxillae were sinuses that were better developed than those of more basal theropods such as Ceratosaurus and Marshosaurus ; they may have been related to the sense of smell , perhaps holding something like Jacobson ' s organ . The roof of the braincase was thin , perhaps to improve thermoregulation for the brain The skull and lower jaws had joints that permitted motion within these units . In the lower jaws , the bones of the front and back halves loosely articulated , permitting the jaws to bow outward and increasing the animal ' s gape . The braincase and frontals may also have had a joint . Postcranial skeleton skeleton mounted in the lobby of the San Diego Natural History Museum Hand of a had nine vertebrae in the neck , fourteen in the back , and five in the sacrum supporting the hips . The number of tail vertebrae is unknown and varied with individual size ; James Madsen estimated about 50 , while Gregory S . Paul considered that to be too many and suggested 45 or less . There were hollow spaces in the neck and anterior back vertebrae . Such spaces , which are also found in modern theropods ( that is , the birds ) , are interpreted as having held air sacs used in respiration The rib cage was broad , giving it a barrel chest , especially in comparison to less derived theropods like had gastralia ( belly ribs ) , but these are not common findings , and they may have ossified poorly . In one published case , the gastralia show evidence of injury during life . A furcula ( wishbone ) was also present , but has only been recognized since 1996 ; in some cases furculae were confused with gastralia . The ilium , the main hip bone , was massive , and the pubic bone had a prominent foot that may have been used for both muscle attachment and as a prop for resting the body on the ground . Madsen noted that in about half of the individuals from the Cleveland Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry , independent of size , the pubes had not fused to each other at their foot ends . He suggested that this was a sexual characteristic , with females lacking fused bones to make egg - laying easier . This proposal has not attracted further attention , however . Claw of The forelimbs of were short in comparison to the hindlimbs ( only about 35 % the length of the hindlimbs in adults ) and had three fingers per hand , tipped with large , strongly curved and pointed claws . The arms were powerful , and the forearm was somewhat shorter than the upper arm ( 1 : 1.2 humerus ulna ratio ) . The wrist had a version of the semilunate carpal also found in more derived theropods like maniraptorans . Of the three fingers , the innermost ( or thumb ) was the largest , and diverged from the others . The legs were not as long or suited for speed as those of tyrannosaurids , and the claws of the toes were less developed and more hoof - like than those of earlier theropods . Each foot had three weight - bearing toes and an inner dewclaw , which Madsen suggested could have been used for grasping in juveniles . There was also what is interpreted as the splint - like remnant of a fifth ( outermost ) metatarsal , perhaps used as a lever between the Achilles tendon and foot . Classification Replica of an skull , Oklahoma Museum of Natural History was an allosaurid , a member of a family of large theropods within the larger group Carnosauria . The family name Allosauridae was created for this genus in 1878 by Othniel Charles Marsh but the term was largely unused until the 1970s in favor of Megalosauridae , another family of large theropods that eventually became a wastebasket taxon . This , along with the use of for during the same period , is a point that needs to be remembered when searching for information on in publications that predate James Madsen ' s 1976 monograph . Major publications using the name Megalosauridae instead of Allosauridae include Gilmore , 1920 , von Huene , 1926 , Romer , 1956 and 1966 , Steel , 1970 , Walker , 1964 . Following the publication of Madsen ' s influential monograph , Allosauridae became the preferred family assignment , but it too was not strongly defined . Semi - technical works used Allosauridae for a variety of large theropods , usually those that were larger and better - known than megalosaurids . Typical theropods that were thought to be related to included Indosaurus Piatnitzkysaurus Piveteausaurus Yangchuanosaurus Acrocanthosaurus Chilantaisaurus Compsosuchus Stokesosaurus , and Szechuanosaurus Given modern knowledge of theropod diversity and the advent of cladistic study of evolutionary relationships , none of these theropods is now recognized as an allosaurid , although several , like Acrocanthosaurus Yangchuanosaurus , are members of related families . Allosauridae is one of three families in Carnosauria ; the other two are Carcharodontosauridae Sinraptoridae Allosauridae has at times been proposed as ancestral to the Tyrannosauridae ( which would make it paraphyletic ) , one recent example in Gregory S . Paul ' s Predatory Dinosaurs of the World but this has been rejected , with tyrannosaurids identified as members of a separate branch of theropods , the Coelurosauria Allosauridae is the smallest of the carnosaur families , with only Saurophaganax and a currently unnamed French allosauroid accepted as possible valid genera besides in the most recent review . Another genus , , is a potential valid member , but it and may turn out to be large examples of Recent reviews have kept the genus and included with Discovery and history Early discoveries and research The discovery and early study of is complicated by the multiplicity of names coined during the Bone Wars of the late 1800s . The first described fossil in this history was a bone obtained secondhand by Ferdinand Vandiveer Hayden in 1869 . It came from Middle Park , near Granby , Colorado , probably from rocks . The locals had identified such bones as " petrified horse hoofs " . Hayden sent his specimen to Joseph Leidy , who identified it as half of a tail vertebra , and tentatively assigned it to the European dinosaur genus Poekilopleuron as Poicilopleuron [ sic ] valens He later decided it deserved its own genus , itself is based on YPM 1930 , a small collection of fragmentary bones including parts of three vertebrae , a rib fragment , a tooth , a toe bone , and , most useful for later discussions , the shaft of the right humerus ( upper arm ) . Othniel Charles Marsh gave these remains the formal name in 1877 . comes from the Greek allos / αλλος , meaning " strange " or " different " and saurus / σαυρος , meaning " lizard " or " reptile " . It was named ' different lizard ' because its vertebrae were different from those of other dinosaurs known at the time of its discovery . The species epithet fragilis is Latin for " fragile " , referring to lightening features in the vertebrae . The bones were collected from the Morrison Formation of Garden Park , north of Cañon City Marsh and Edward Drinker Cope , who were in scientific competition , went on to coin several other genera based on similarly sparse material that would later figure in the taxonomy of . These include Marsh ' s Creosaurus Labrosaurus and Cope ' s The skeletal mount of AMNH 5753 , posed as scavenging an Apatosaurus AMNH 5753 in a Charles R . Knight life restoration . In their haste , Cope and Marsh did not always follow up on their discoveries ( or , more commonly , those made by their subordinates ) . For example , after the discovery by Benjamin Mudge of the type specimen of in Colorado , Marsh elected to concentrate work in Wyoming ; when work resumed at Garden Park in 1883 , M . P . Felch found an almost complete and several partial skeletons . In addition , one of Cope ' s collectors , H . F . Hubbell , found a specimen in the Como Bluff area of Wyoming in 1879 , but apparently did not mention its completeness , and Cope never unpacked it . Upon unpacking in 1903 ( several years after Cope had died ) , it was found to be one of the most complete theropod specimens then known , and in 1908 the skeleton , now cataloged as AMNH 5753 , was put on public view . This is the well - known mount poised over a partial Apatosaurus skeleton as if scavenging it , illustrated as such by Charles R . Knight . Although notable as the first free - standing mount of a theropod dinosaur , and often illustrated and photographed , it has never been scientifically described . Recent picture of AMNH 5753 The multiplicity of early names complicated later research , with the situation compounded by the terse descriptions provided by Marsh and Cope . Even at the time , authors such as Samuel Wendell Williston suggested that too many names had been coined . For example , Williston pointed out in 1901 that Marsh had never been able to adequately distinguish from The most influential early attempt to sort out the convoluted situation was produced by Charles W . Gilmore in 1920 . He came to the conclusion that the tail vertebra dubbed by Leidy was indistinguishable from those of thus should be the preferred name because as the older name it had priority . became the accepted name for this familiar genus for over fifty years , until James Madsen published on the Cleveland - Lloyd specimens and concluded that should be used because was based on material with poor , if any , diagnostic features and locality information ( for example , the geological formation that the single bone of came from is unknown ) . " has been used informally for convenience when distinguishing between the skull Gilmore restored and the composite skull restored by Madsen . Cleveland - Lloyd discoveries Although sporadic work at what became known as the Cleveland - Lloyd Dinosaur Quarry in Emery County Utah had taken place as early as 1927 , and the fossil site itself described by William J . Stokes in 1945 , major operations did not begin there until 1960 . Under a cooperative effort involving nearly 40 institutions , thousands of bones were recovered between 1960 and 1965 . The quarry is notable for the predominance of remains , the condition of the specimens , and the lack of scientific resolution on how it came to be . The majority of bones belong to the large theropod ( it is estimated that the remains of at least 46 have been found there , out of at minimum 73 dinosaurs ) , and the fossils found there are disarticulated and well - mixed . Nearly a dozen scientific papers have been written on the taphonomy of the site , coming up with numerous contradictory explanations for how it formed . Suggestions have ranged from animals getting stuck in a bog , to becoming trapped in deep mud , to falling victim to drought - induced mortality around a waterhole , to getting trapped in a spring - fed pond or seep . Regardless of the actual cause , the great quantity of well - preserved remains has allowed this genus to be known in detail , making it among the best - known theropods . Skeletal remains from the quarry pertain to individuals of almost all ages and sizes , from less than 1 meter ( 3.3 ft ) to 12 meters ( 39 ft ) long , and the disarticulation is an advantage for describing bones usually found fused . Recent work : 1980s – present The period since Madsen ' s monograph has been marked by a great expansion in studies dealing with topics concerning in life ( paleobiological paleoecological topics ) . Such studies have covered topics including skeletal variation , growth , skull construction , hunting methods , the brain and the possibility of gregarious living and parental care . Reanalysis of old material ( particularly of large ' allosaur ' specimens ) , new discoveries in Portugal , and several very complete new specimens have also contributed to the growing knowledge base . Fossil footprints attributed to were discovered in Bałtów Poland , by Polish paleontologist Gerard Gierliński in the early 2000s . " Big Al " Cast of " Big Al Two " in Switzerland Main article : Big Al One of the more significant finds was the 1991 discovery of " Big Al " ( MOR 693 ) , a 95 % complete , partially articulated specimen that measured about 8 meters ( about 26 ft ) in length . MOR 693 was excavated near Shell , Wyoming , by a joint Museum of the Rockies and University of Wyoming Geological Museum team . This skeleton was discovered by a Swiss team , led by Kirby Siber . The same team later excavated a second , " Big Al Two " , which is the best preserved skeleton of its kind to date . The completeness , preservation , and scientific importance of this skeleton gave " Big Al " its name ; the individual itself was below the average size for and was a subadult estimated at only 87 % grown . The specimen was described by Breithaupt in 1996 . Nineteen of its bones were broken or showed signs of infection , which may have contributed to " Big Al ' s " death . Pathologic bones included five ribs , five vertebrae , and four bones of the feet ; several damaged bones showed osteomyelitis , a bone infection . A particular problem for the living animal was infection and trauma to the right foot that probably affected movement and may have also predisposed the other foot to injury because of a change in gait . Species and taxonomy Main article : Species of Allosaurus Allosaurus sp . skull ( DINO 11541 ) from Dinosaur National Monument , still partially encased in matrix . It is unclear how many species of there were . Seven species have been considered potentially valid since 1988 ( A . amplexus A . atrox A . europaeus the type species the as - yet not formally described " A . jimmadseni " , A . maximus A . tendagurensis ) , although only a fraction are usually considered valid at any given time . Additionally , there are at least ten dubious or undescribed species that have been assigned to over the years , along with the species belonging to genera now sunk into . In the most recent review of basal tetanuran theropods , only ( including A . amplexus A . atrox as synonyms ) , " A . jimmadseni " ( as an unnamed species ) , and were accepted as potentially valid species , with not yet proposed and A . maximus assigned to , " A . jimmadseni " , and are all known from remains discovered in the Kimmeridgian Tithonian Upper Jurassic - age Morrison Formation of the United States , spread across the states of Colorado Montana New Mexico Oklahoma South Dakota , Utah , and Wyoming . is regarded as the most common , known from the remains of at least sixty individuals . Debate has gone on since the 1980s regarding the possibility that there are two common Morrison Formation species of , with the second known as recent work has followed a " one species " interpretation , with the differences seen in the Morrison Formation material attributed to individual variation . was found in the Kimmeridgian - age Porto Novo Member of the Lourinhã Formation but may be the same as was found in Kimmeridgian - age rocks of Tendaguru , in Mtwara , Tanzania . Although the most recent review tentatively accepted it as a valid species of , it may be a more basal tetanuran , or simply a dubious theropod . Although obscure , it was a large theropod , possibly around 10 meters long ( 33 ft ) and 2.5 metric tons ( 2.8 short tons ) in weight . is regarded as a probable synonym of the genera Most of the species that are regarded as synonyms of , or that were misassigned to the genus , are obscure and were based on scrappy remains . One exception is Labrosaurus ferox , named in 1884 by Marsh for an oddly formed partial lower jaw , with a prominent gap in the tooth row at the tip of the jaw , and a rear section greatly expanded and turned down . Later researchers suggested that the bone was pathologic , showing an injury to the living animal , and that part of the unusual form of the rear of the bone was due to plaster reconstruction . It is now regarded as an example of A . fragilis . Other remains thought to pertain to have come from across the world , including Australia Siberia Switzerland but these fossils have been reassessed as belonging to other dinosaurs . Paleoecology Locations in the ( yellow ) where remains have been found . was the most common large theropod in the vast tract of Western American fossil - bearing rock known as the , accounting for 70 to 75 % of theropod specimens , and as such was at the top trophic level of the Morrison food web The Morrison Formation is interpreted as a semiarid environment with distinct wet dry seasons , and flat floodplains Vegetation varied from river - lining forests of conifers tree ferns ferns , to fern savannas with rare trees . The Morrison Formation has been a rich fossil hunting ground , holding fossils of green algae fungi mosses horsetails , ferns , cycads ginkgoes , and several families of conifers . Other fossils discovered include bivalves snails ray - finned fishes frogs salamanders turtles sphenodonts lizards , terrestrial and aquatic crocodylomorphans , several species of pterosaur , numerous dinosaur species , and early mammals such as docodonts multituberculates symmetrodonts triconodonts . Such dinosaurs as the theropods Ornitholestes Torvosaurus , the sauropods Brachiosaurus Camarasaurus Diplodocus , and the ornithischians Camptosaurus Dryosaurus Stegosaurus are known from the Morrison . The Late Jurassic formations of Portugal where is present are interpreted as having been similar to the Morrison but with a stronger marine influence . Many of the dinosaurs of the Morrison Formation are the same genera as those seen in Portuguese rocks ( mainly Torvosaurus ) , or have a close counterpart ( Brachiosaurus Lusotitan Camptosaurus Draconyx ) . Outcrop of the Brushy Basin Member of the Morrison Formation , west of Green River , Utah , on the Colorado Plateau coexisted with fellow large theropods in both the United States and Portugal , The three appear to have had different ecological niches , based on anatomy and the location of fossils . Ceratosaurs and torvosaurs may have preferred to be active around waterways , and had lower , thinner bodies that would have given them an advantage in forest and underbrush terrains , whereas allosaurs were more compact , with longer legs , faster but less maneuverable , and seem to have preferred dry floodplains . , better known than , differed noticeably from in functional anatomy by having a taller , narrower skull with large , broad teeth . was itself a potential food item to other carnivores , as illustrated by an pubic foot marked by the teeth of another theropod , probably or . The location of the bone in the body ( along the bottom margin of the torso and partially shielded by the legs ) , and the fact that it was among the most massive in the skeleton , indicates that the was being scavenged . Paleobiology Life history The wealth of fossils , from nearly all ages of individuals , allows scientists to study how the animal grew and how long its lifespan may have been . Remains may reach as far back in the lifespan as eggs — crushed eggs from Colorado have been suggested as those of Based on histological analysis of limb bones , the upper age limit for is estimated at 22 to 28 years , which is comparable to that of other large theropods like Tyrannosaurus . From the same analysis , its maximum growth appears to have been at age 15 , with an estimated growth rate of about 150 kilograms ( 330 lb ) per year . Medullary bone tissue , also found in dinosaurs as diverse as Tyrannosaurus Tenontosaurus , has been found in at least one specimen , a shin bone from the Cleveland - Lloyd Quarry . Today , this bone tissue is only formed in female birds that are laying eggs , as it is used to supply calcium to shells . Its presence in the individual establishes sex and shows she had reached reproductive age . By counting growth lines , it was shown that she was 10 years old at death , so sexual maturity in was attained well before maximum growth and size . The discovery of a juvenile specimen with a nearly complete hindlimb shows that the legs were relatively longer in juveniles , and the lower segments of the leg ( shin and foot ) were relatively longer than the thigh . These differences suggest that younger were faster and had different hunting strategies than adults , perhaps chasing small prey as juveniles , then becoming ambush hunters of large prey upon adulthood . The thigh bone became thicker and wider during growth , and the cross - section less circular , as muscle attachments shifted , muscles became shorter , and the growth of the leg slowed . These changes imply that juvenile legs has less predictable stresses compared with adults , which would have moved with more regular forward progression . Feeding Stegosaurus skeletons , Denver Museum of Science and Nature Paleontologists accept as an active predator of large animals . Sauropods seem to be likely candidates as both live prey and as objects of scavenging , based on the presence of scrapings on sauropod bones fitting allosaur teeth well and the presence of shed allosaur teeth with sauropod bones . There is dramatic evidence for allosaur attacks on , including an tail vertebra with a partially healed puncture wound that fits a tail spike , and a neck plate with a U - shaped wound that correlates well with an snout . However , as Gregory Paul noted in 1988 , was probably not a predator of fully grown sauropods , unless it hunted in packs , as it had a modestly sized skull and relatively small teeth , and was greatly outweighed by contemporaneous sauropods . Another possibility is that it preferred to hunt juveniles instead of fully grown adults . Research in the 1990s and 2000s may have found other solutions to this question . Robert T . Bakker , comparing to Cenozoic sabre - toothed carnivorous mammals , found similar adaptations , such as a reduction of jaw muscles and increase in neck muscles , and the ability to open the jaws extremely wide . Although did not have sabre teeth , Bakker suggested another mode of attack that would have used such neck and jaw adaptations : the short teeth in effect became small serrations on a saw - like cutting edge running the length of the upper jaw , which would have been driven into prey . This type of jaw would permit slashing attacks against much larger prey , with the goal of weakening the victim . attacking , based on the theories of Bakker ( 1998 ) and Rayfield et al . ( 2001 ) . Similar conclusions were drawn by another study using finite element analysis on an skull . According to their biomechanical analysis , the skull was very strong but had a relatively small bite force . By using jaw muscles only , it could produce a bite force of 805 to 2,148 N , less than the values for alligators ( 13,000 N ) , lions ( 4,167 N ) , and leopards ( 2,268 N ) , but the skull could withstand nearly 55,500 N of vertical force against the tooth row . The authors suggested that used its skull like a hatchet against prey , attacking open - mouthed , slashing flesh with its teeth , and tearing it away without splintering bones , unlike , which is thought to have been capable of damaging bones . They also suggested that the architecture of the skull could have permitted the use of different strategies against different prey ; the skull was light enough to allow attacks on smaller and more agile ornithopods , but strong enough for high - impact ambush attacks against larger prey like stegosaurids and sauropods . Their interpretations were challenged by other researchers , who found no modern analogues to a hatchet attack and considered it more likely that the skull was strong to compensate for its open construction when absorbing the stresses from struggling prey . The original authors noted that itself has no modern equivalent , that the tooth row is well - suited to such an attack , and that articulations in the skull cited by their detractors as problematic actually helped protect the palate and lessen stress . Another possibility for handling large prey is that theropods like were " flesh grazers " which could take bites of flesh out of living sauropods that were sufficient to sustain the predator so it would not have needed to expend the effort to kill the prey outright . This strategy would also potentially have allowed the prey to recover and be fed upon in a similar way later . An additional suggestion notes that ornithopods were the most common available dinosaurian prey , and that allosaurs may have subdued them by using an attack similar to that of modern big cats : grasping the prey with their forelimbs , and then making multiple bites on the throat to crush the trachea . This is compatible with other evidence that the forelimbs were strong and capable of restraining prey . Other aspects of feeding include the eyes , arms , and legs . The shape of the skull of limited potential binocular vision to 20 ° of width , slightly less than that of modern crocodilians . As with crocodilians , this may have been enough to judge prey distance and time attacks . The similar wide field of view suggests that allosaurs , like modern crocodilians , were ambush hunters . The arms , compared with those of other theropods , were suited for both grasping prey at a distance or clutching it close , and the articulation of the claws suggests that they could have been used to hook things . Finally , the top speed of has been estimated at 30 to 55 kilometers per hour ( 19 to 34 miles per hour ) . Social behavior has long been regarded in the semitechnical and popular literature as an animal that preyed on sauropods and other large dinosaurs by hunting in groups . Robert T . Bakker has extended social behavior to parental care , and has interpreted shed allosaur teeth and chewed bones of large prey animals as evidence that adult allosaurs brought food to lairs for their young to eat until they were grown , and prevented other carnivores from scavenging on the food . However , there is actually little evidence of gregarious behavior in theropods , and social interactions with members of the same species would have included antagonistic encounters , as shown by injuries to gastralia and bite wounds to skulls ( the pathologic lower jaw named Labrosaurus ferox is one such possible example ) . Such head - biting may have been a way to establish dominance in a pack or to settle territorial disputes . Although may have hunted in packs , it has recently been argued that and other theropods had largely aggressive instead of cooperative interactions with other members of their own species . The study in question noted that cooperative hunting of prey much larger than an individual predator , as is commonly inferred for theropod dinosaurs , is rare among vertebrates in general , and modern diapsid carnivores ( including lizards , crocodiles , and birds ) very rarely cooperate to hunt in such a way . Instead , they are typically territorial and will kill and cannibalize intruders of the same species , and will also do the same to smaller individuals that attempt to eat before they do when aggregated at feeding sites . According to this interpretation , the accumulation of remains of multiple individuals at the same site , e.g. in the Cleveland - Lloyd quarry , are not due to pack hunting , but to the fact that individuals were drawn together to feed on other disabled or dead allosaurs , and were sometimes killed in the process . This could explain the high proportion of juvenile and subadult allosaurs present , as juveniles and subadults are disproportionally killed at modern group feeding sites of animals like crocodiles komodo dragons . The same interpretation applies to Bakker ' s lair sites . There is some evidence for cannibalism in , including shed teeth found among rib fragments , possible tooth marks on a shoulder blade and cannibalized allosaur skeletons among the bones at Bakker ' s lair sites . Brain and senses , as portrayed in the BBC special The Ballad of Big Al The brain of , as interpreted from spiral CT scanning of an endocast , was more consistent with crocodilian brains than those of the other living archosaurs , birds . The structure of the vestibular apparatus indicates that the skull was held nearly horizontal , as opposed to strongly tipped up or down . The structure of the inner ear was like that of a crocodilian , and so probably could have heard lower frequencies best , and would have had trouble with subtle sounds . The olfactory bulbs were large and seem to have been well suited for detecting odors , although the area for evaluating smells was relatively small . 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ISBN 7 - 5027 - 3898 - 3 Pérez - Moreno , B.P. ; Chure , D.J. ; Pires , C . ; Silva , C.M. ; Santos , V . ; Dantas , P . ; Póvoas , L . ; Cachão , M . ; Sanz , J.L. ; and Galopim De Carvalho , A.M. ( 1999 ) . " On the presence of ( Theropoda : Carnosauria ) in the Upper Jurassic of Portugal : First evidence of an intercontinental dinosaur species Journal of the Geological Society 156 ( 3 ) : 449 – 452 . doi : 10.1144 / gsjgs . 156 . 3 . 0449 http : / / correio . fc . ul . pt / ~ cmsilva / Artigos / CMS034 . pdf Breithaupt , Brent ( 1996 ) . " The discovery of a nearly complete from the Jurassic Morrison Formation , eastern Bighorn Basin , Wyoming " . in Brown , C.E. ; Kirkwood , S.C. ; and Miller , T.S. ( eds ) . . Forty - Seventh Annual Field Conference Guidebook . Casper , Wyoming : Wyoming Geological Association . pp . 309 – 313 . OCLC 36004754 " Howe Dinosaur Quarry – Wyoming ’ s Jurassic Treasure " . 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" Strength indicator values of theropod long bones , with comments on limb proportions and cursorial potential : 241 – 255 . ISSN http : / / www . mnhn . ul . pt / geologia / gaia / 19 . pdf Tanke , Darren H . ; and Currie , Philip J . ( 1998 ) . " Head - biting behavior in theropod dinosaurs : Paleopathological evidence ( 15 ) : 167 – 184 . ISSN http : / / www . mnhn . ul . pt / geologia / gaia / 12 . pdf Currie , Philip J . ( 1999 ) . " Theropods " . in Farlow , James ; and Brett - Surman , M.K. ( eds . ) . The Complete Dinosaur . Indiana : Indiana University Press . p . 228 . ISBN 0253213134 http : / / books . google . com / books ? id = FOViD - lDPy0C&pg = PA228&dq = Allosaurus + behavior&sig = Qn8lXqq4zQVAt2wB8_yjEalRffI Roach , Brian T . ; and Brinkman , Daniel L . ( 2007 ) . " A reevaluation of cooperative pack hunting and gregariousness in Deinonychus antirrhopus and other nonavian theropod dinosaurs " . 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http://fountainviewgonda.com/ | Set your own course for retirement From stimulating events inside the community to attractions throughout the area the choices are always yours Get a beautiful view of your future Experience the best in contemporary design and luxurious living Embrace an active lifestyle Discover a wide array of activities and amenities for entertainment recreation and renewal Share an upscale setting Elegant public spaces offer quiet luxury in a community located in the heart of a vibrant neighborhood Set your own course for retirement From stimulating events inside the community to attractions throughout the area the choices are always yours Get a beautiful view of your future Experience the best in contemporary design and luxurious living Contact us today Fill out our short form Have Questions View answers to Frequently Asked Questions Send us an email Want to learn more Click here to send us an email A A A Welcome to Fountainview at Gonda Westside Fountainview at Gonda Westside is a luxury senior living community in the beautiful West Los Angeles neighborhood of Playa Vista sponsored by the Los Angeles Jewish Home Designed with a host of desirable amenities and services to create a resort environment Fountainview at Gonda Westside blends comfort and elegance all while fostering a sense of community and creating a legacy for the future Members of our Los Angeles senior living community enjoy an active independent lifestyle at Fountainview at Gonda Westside with a location that is just a short walk from restaurants shops and other conveniences of Playa Vista Fountainview at Gonda is also a short drive from the Culver City metro stop providing access to downtown Los Angeles and attractions in the greater LA area Fountainview at Gonda is a Continuing Care Retirement Community This means that while our upscale community was created to suit an active lifestyle we understand that needs can change from time to time That is why in addition to an independent living environment we offer assisted living and memory care apartments as well as access to an offsite skilled nursing and rehabilitation facility By choosing Fountainview at Gonda you are prioritizing a physically and intellectually engaging lifestyle regardless of what the future may hold Contact us today to learn more about apartments available for movein | [
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http://fourier.eng.hmc.edu/e84/lectures/ch4/node13.html | Metal - Oxide - Semiconductor Field - Effect Transistors A metal - oxide - semiconductor field - effect transistor ( MOSFET ) has three terminals , source , gate , and drain . In an n - MOSFET ( or p - MOSFET ) , both the source S and drain D are N - type ( or P - type ) and the substrate between them is P - type ( or N - type ) . The gate and the P - type substrate is insulated by a thin layer of silicon dioxide ( ) . Due to this insulation , there is no gate current to either the source or drain . The n - MOSFET can be considered as a voltage - controlled switch . When sufficient voltage is applied between gate and source , the positive potential at the gate will induce enough electrons from the P - type substrate ( minority carriers ) to form an electronic channel called an inversion layer between source and drain , and a current between source and drain is formed . Qualitatively the conductivity between source and drain of an n - channel field effect transistor can be described as : More accurately , the behavior of an n - channel MOSFET can be described by the function with a threshold voltage , as plotted below : This function can be divided into three different ( piece - wise linear ) regions : Cutoff region : When , no current flows through S and D , due to the two PN - junctions , i.e . , independent of . This is illustrated in part ( b ) of the figure above . Triode region : When both and , ( i.e. , ) , some electrons in the P - type substrate ( minority carriers ) are pulled toward the gate to form an inversion layer close to the gate to form an N - type channel with certain resistance between S and D . increases linearly as increases , with a coefficient ( Ohm ' s law ) , and nonlinearly as increases ( to pull more electrons toward the gate to enhance the conductivity of the n - channel ) . Saturation region : When but increases further , the voltage between gate and e - channel close to the drain becomes small and the e - channel close to the drain narrows . In particular , when the voltage between gate and drain is smaller than the threshold voltage : the e - channel at the D end is nearly closed ( pinch - off ) , and is saturated and maintained at a constant value even when increases further , as higher tends to draw more electrons toward the drain on the one hand but also enhance the pinch - off effect on the other . Now is only affected by The transistor behaves like a voltage - controlled current source . Example : Assume when , the MOSFET is in cutoff region with independent of when and , the MOSFET is in linear or triode region with affected by both , the MOSFET is in saturation region with determined only by Example : Assume , and both MOSFETs in the following circuit are in the saturation region . Find output voltage Since both MOSFETs are in saturation region with the same which is determined only by but independent of , their must be the same . The upper MOSFET must have the same as the lower one , i.e. , the output voltage has to be Comparison between BJT and FET BJT has a low input resistance . But as MOSFET ' s gate is insulated from the channel ( ) , it draws virtually no input current and therefore its input resistance is infinity in theory . BJT is current ( or ) controlled , but MOSFET is voltage ( ) controlled . Consequently , the power consumption of MOSFETs is lower than BJTs . MOSFETs are easy to fabricate in large scale and have higher element density than BJTs . MOSFETs have thin insulation layer which is more prone to statics and requires special protection . BJTs have higher cutoff frequency and higher maximum current than MOSFETs . MOSFETs are much more widely used ( especially in computers and digital systems ) than BJTs . Both majority and minority carriers are used in BJTs , but only majority carriers are used in FETs . Consequently FETs have better temperature stability ( minority carriers are more sensitive to temperature ) . The BJT and FET can be compared with the old technology of vacuum tube . Although the specific physics of each of these devices is quite different from others , the working principles of these devices are essentially the same . In all three devices , a small AC input voltage ( signal ) is applied to the input terminal of the device ( base , gate , or grid ) to control the current that flows through the device ( from collector , drain , or plate to emitter , source , or cathode , respectively ) , causing a much amplified voltage to appear at the output terminal ( collector , drain Ruye Wang 2019 - 04 - 10 | [
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http://fourriverscharter.org/projects/Inventions/pages/china_paper.htm | Cai - Lun ' s invention of paper is considered one of the most amazing and important inventions of all time , because it enabled China to create and develop their civilization quickly and eventually it helped us advance in our civilization as well . We use paper all around the globe , and if it was n ’ t for Cai - Lun we would n ’ t have all the beautiful things we have today . Paper is all around us , even if we do n ’ t notice it . Each person in the U.S.A. uses about 675 pounds of paper every year ! You ’ d be surprised at all of the things that we use that have paper in it . We read over 2 billion books , 350 million magazines and 24 BILLION newspapers ! Even when you go to the theater you use paper : tickets , containers for popcorn , candy and drinks , carry - out trays for these foods and drink items . These ALL use paper in them . Even items around your home , like batteries , board games , paper Or what about at school and work ? Computers are supposed to help make a non - paper society , but they actually create more paper in the world ! We now generate more paper than ever before because of computers ! Many items in our work life include paper , such as money , stock certificates , deeds of ownership , checks etc . Just about all of the documents we use to run our lives are made out of paper ! Even packaging uses paper , paperboard is probably the most used form of paper in our life , how else would we ship fragile items like light bulbs and microwaves ? ! Plus if you ’ re ever in danger or in an emergency , you can ALWAYS make a quick shelter out of paperboard . Many historians say that paper is and was the key element in global cultural development and advancement . Just imagine a world without paper , life would be very difficult . According to certain studies the Chinese culture was less developed than the west in the ancient times prior to the Han Dynasty , because bamboo ( which is abundant ) was a much clumsier writing material than papyrus . But then Chinese culture advanced SO MUCH during the Han Dynasty and other dynasties because of the invention of paper . And even Europe advanced during the Renaissance thanks to everyone around the world . ) Paper is considered one of the four great inventions of ancient China along with the compass , gunpowder and printing . But where did it all start ? What is the history of paper ? Before paper the Chinese wrote on bamboo and bone and even silk , but silk was just too expensive to always write on . So the Chinese people created the idea of writing and drawing on papyrus . Papyrus grows abundantly along the Nile River which is mostly in Egypt . Papyrus is a very reedy plant and the parts that the Chinese wrote on were certain sliced areas of the flower stem of this papyrus plant . Then that stem part is pressed together and dried out so people can write on it . This papyrus was very nice , but they needed something else . . . . . .but what ? . . . . . . . Then , eventually Cai ( or Ts ' ai ) - Lun invented the product of paper . But there is a story behind this . . . Cai - Lun was born in Guiyang , China during the time of the EasternHan Dynasty . When he was older Cai became a paperwork secretary of the Emperor He . For papermaking Cai had tried certain materials like hemp , bark , silk and even fishing net , until he finally decided to use wood pulp ( which is from the pulpwood tree . ) Sadly though his exact formula for papermaking has been lost in history . Emperor He was so pleased with Cai ' s invention of paper that he gave Cai an aristocratic title and amazing wealth ! Cai then became a court official because of his honor and wealth . He died Unlike our normal paper that we use today Chinese paper was VERY thin and translucent ( partly see - through . ) So they could only write on one side of paper , it was just too thin to write on both sides . The invention of paper spread slowly outside of China to other East Asian countries and cities . Even after seeing paper , people could not figure out how to make it by themselves ! Too bad for them . The people then demanded that they learn the manufacturing of paper , but China refused to give away their secret of papermaking . They were reluctant to give up their secrets of making paper . After more commercial trading and the defeat of the Chinese in the Battle of Talas ( they were defeated by the Arab Abbasids , the war was about the control over central Asia ) , the paper invention went all around the Middle East . Production started in Baghdad , the Arabs invented a way to make a thicker sheet of paper . This papermaking had spread to Damascus by the time of the first crusade , the war had interrupted the paper production . It split the production into two centers : Iran : This was the center of thinner papers which was adopted by India . Ciaro : This was the center that kept making thicker paper . Then the first paper mill in Europe was developed in Spain . In Spain the mill was in the city of Xavia ( modern day Valencia ) in the year 1120 . Later more mills were built in Fabriano , Italy . This was in about the 13th century when paper was first introduced to Europe . The Europeans used linen and hemp rags as a source of fiber . The oldest paper document known in the West is the Mozarab Missal of Silos . ( This was probably written in Islamic Spain . ) Paper in our life today differs much from the old style of Chinese paper , paper now is thin ( but not too thin ) material that is produced by the amalgamation of fibers , usually vegetable fibers . Vegetable fibers usually contain cellulose which are subsequently held all together by a process called hydrogen bonding . Sometimes the fibers used can be synthetic , but usually the fibers are natural . The most used fiber is wood pulp , which is from ( of course ) pulpwood trees . But sometimes companies will use softwoods , hardwoods , spruce and aspen trees as well . Other kinds of vegetable fibers are : Linen , hemp , cotton and rice . Papermaking is very complicated and long to describe , so here is a quick synopsis of how they make the paper . . . Fiber Processing / Pulping is when certain fibers are split from each other and carbohydrate surfaces are exposed . Hydrogen bonding between these carbohydrate surfaces gives paper its strength . Fibers can be split three different ways : mechanically , chemically or a combination of the two . Drying is what must happen after the paper - web has been produced , the water in it must be removed for it to be a regular and usable piece of paper . This is all done by forcing and pressing and then drying the paper . This takes out all of the water and gives you the paper that you use so much today . Like I said in the beginning , Cai ' s invention is considered one of the most amazing and important inventions of all time , mostly because paper enabled China to create and develop their civilization much faster , unlike their old materials ( bone , silk , bamboo etc . . . ) This did the same for Europe when paper was introduced to Europe in the 12th ( or the 13th ) century , and then in the U.S . many years later . ( BUT ! There have been studies in 2006 that show specimens bearing certain writings on them ) . So we do n ' t know if Cai - Lun was the FIRST person to use paper , but we do know he was the one who started the whole trend of using paper all around the world today . So really , our thanks does belong to Cai - Lun , because without him paper would have never been invented , and our civilization would be almost IMPOSSIBLE ! Home | [
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http://fox13now.com/2015/11/10/what-mlm-distributors-make-disclosure-only-goes-so-far/ | What MLM distributors make : disclosure only goes so far Posted 9 : 36 pm , November 10 , 2015 , by Max Roth This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . SALT LAKE CITY — In one sense , Utah ’ s big multi - level marketers ( MLM ’ s ) make it easy to see how many people earn a good living as distributors . Each posts a breakdown of their earning structure with numbers and percentages . But they ’ ll distinguish between people who they say are “ active ” and those who are not , then they tell you what percentage of active distributors earn a certain income . USANA We used USANA ’ s 2014 Earnings Disclosure because it was the most straightforward document we read from the three major Utah MLM ’ s we profiled ( the other two being doTerra and Nu Skin . ) That being said , the numbers available online were outdated ( from 2011 ) until FOX 13 asked if they had newer numbers . Now the updated document is here : https : / / www . usana . com / static / images / na / Business / Forms / AverageIncomeChart - USEN . pdf For our comparison to pro baseball we took figures from the NCAA : https : / / www . ncaa . org / sites / default / files / Probability - of - going - pro - methodology_Update2013 . pdf You may notice we are generous to USANA by saying high school baseball players have double the odds of making the pros . A note on the math : You may remember from math class the difference between mean ( average ) and median ( middle ) . You ’ ll notice in the MLM earnings disclosures they use “ average ” income . You ’ re math teacher would object . Imagine a scenario where you want to give someone a realistic expectation of what they might earn at a company where the owner makes a million dollars a year and 100 workers each make $ 10,000 a year . The average of all of those incomes is $ 19,800 . The median is simply lining up all 101 incomes by amount and taking the middle number . That ’ s $ 10,000 , a far better estimate of likely earnings . doTerra For our second story , we had a bigger mathematical challenge . DoTerra ’ s 2014 reported numbers jump from rough estimates , to percentages , with the only hard numbers in a sub - category of “ newly achieved ” leadership ranks . Here they are : http : / / www . doterratools . com / documents / 2014_Opportunity_and_Earnings_Disclosure_Summary . pdf In the paragraph directly below the pie chart , they report “ more than a million ” doTerra “ Wellness Advocates . ” In the next paragraph , they report paying a commission check to “ approximately 158,000 ” people throughout the world . Then they say “ a majority ” earned enough to pay for a portion or all of their own product purchases . So how do we turn all of those ambiguous numbers into something understandable ? We know that 158,000 made something … that ’ s out of “ more than a million . ” Our educated guess from their pie chart is that 158,000 is 15 percent of their “ Wellness Advocates . ” What does “ majority ” mean ? It could be 90 percent or 51 percent . We have to assume that it ’ s closer to 51 percent or they would say “ more than two - thirds ” or “ vast majority ” as they say for higher numbers . So we have to assume we ’ re dealing with just over half of 15 percent of their advocates earned enough to pay for their oils . That ’ s somewhere just under 8 percent or 8 out of 100 advocates earning enough to pay for their oils , which we call “ breaking even . ” But that just pays for oils … what if you want to earn an income to support a family ? The first chart on page two of doTerra ’ s 2014 earnings disclosure shows that “ Silver Leaders ” make on average $ 25,500 per year . The federal poverty rate for a family of 4 in 2015 is $ 24,250 . http : / / aspe . hhs . gov / 2015 - poverty - guidelines So how many advocates are at silver rank or higher ? Instead of listing that directly , doTerra lists the number of “ newly achieved ” leaders in different ranks . The total number when those are added up : 2,871 advocates who rose at least one leadership rank in 2014 . The reported explosive growth of the company suggests that the “ newly achieved ” ranks represent more than half of all leaders , especially because the higher ranks are made up of people jumping from the lower ranks . So we estimate 5,000 leaders averaging $ 25,500 a year or more , which is .5 percent of all members , or one in 200 . And that ’ s if they had exactly one million advocates . Because they report “ more than a million , ” we are being generous with our one in 200 estimate . Nu Skin We do n ’ t feature Nu Skin earnings numbers in our stories , but they are similar . http : / / www . doterratools . com / documents / 2014_Opportunity_and_Earnings_Disclosure_Summary . pdf They say they had 80,613 active distributors in the U.S . They paid $ 114,191,000 in total commissions to distributors in the U.S . The average annual commission for an active distributor was $ 1,416.64 Dividing the average from the total equals 80,607 , close enough to their number of 80,613 . Nu Skin ’ s “ Ruby Executive ” level marks the first distributor rank where a person starts earning enough to live on . The average annual income for Ruby Executives is $ 31,860 . Using their percentages , .56 percent of active distributors in the U.S. average $ 31,860 or more per year . Rounding up , that ’ s six in a thousand , or 3 in 500 making a living wage on Nu Skin commissions . Filed in : News Topics : doTERRA mlm multi - level marketing nuskin 1 Comment Crunchem “ You ’ re math teacher would object . ” Yeah , my English teacher would object as well . Lol November 12 , 2015 at 8 : 42 pm Comments are closed . | [
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http://fox13now.com/2016/08/03/farm-structures-threatened-as-fire-burns-2500-acres-in-box-elder-county/ | Box Elder County fire near Plymouth grows to 10,000 acres Posted 7 : 20 pm , August 3 , 2016 , by Jeff McAdam and Rebecca Green Updated at 05 : 26PM , August 4 , 2016 This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . NETWORK ERROR Can not Contact Server RELOAD YOUR SCREEN OR TRY SELECTING A DIFFERENT VIDEO BOX ELDER COUNTY , Utah - - A wildland fire burning near Plymouth has grown to more than 5,580 acres and two nearby farms have been voluntarily evacuated as crews battle the blaze . Plymouth fire Joann Tello The Broad Mouth fire is burning in the area of 7000 West 21200 North near Plymouth , and the fire began around 11 : 30 a.m . As of just before 8 : 30 p.m. , the fire has burned more than 10,000 acres . Two farms nearby are under voluntary evacuations . " Right now you ’ re looking at 5 mph winds , " said Dusty Richards with the Division of Natural Resources . Richards said winds have varied between 5 and 10 miles per hour throughout the day , causing the fire to grow and spread . " It ' s got about 4 miles to go before we worry about evacuations , " he said of the distance the fire would have to travel before homes were threatened . “ I ' m glad the wind is blowing that way , " said Robert Hardy and his wife , whose home sits roughly two miles east of the fire . " I ' m hoping it does n ’ t jump the freeway and come over here . ” More than 100 firefighters from eight fire departments have responded , and air resources are dropping water on the blaze from above . Fire crews say strong winds in the area have contributed to the fire ' s growth and are pushing it in the direction of a residential area . However , firefighters believe the speed of the fire is such that they should be able to contain it before any homes are threatened . The cause of the fire is unknown . FOX 13 News ' Jeff McAdam is at the scene as crews continue to battle the blaze , watch News at Nine Wednesday for his live report . Photo Gallery View Gallery ( 10 images ) Smoke from a fire in Plymouth blocks out the sun pic . twitter . com / T6Q7vs6Iel — Jeff McAdam ( @ JeffMcAdamTV ) August 4 , 2016 Filed in : News Topics : wild fire wildland fire | [
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http://fox13now.com/category/on-air/dr-oz/ | Dr . Oz on e - cigarettes E - cigarettes have been growing in popularity , but they have n ’ t been around long enough for scientists to study the long - term effects of e - cigarette use . In this clip , Dr . Oz talks about e - cigarettes and the importance of avoiding smoking . Read more Popular Man who was punched in face at Clearfield gas station dies Lock downs lifted after shots fired near Trolley Square ; shooter on the run West Jordan Police investigate reported shooting after teen suffers minor gunshot wound Weber State cheerleaders ’ routine going viral Dr . Oz Health Dr . Oz on sleep apnea Dr . Oz Health How do I choose a good pineapple ? How long can I keep meals in the fridge ? Good Day Utah Video : Dr . Oz ’ s rapid belly melt What is a good nighttime snack ? Are medications the best answer for kids with ADD ? News Is ultrasound cavitation a good option for me ? Can binaural therapy be effective for someone with partial hearing loss ? Good Day Utah Dr . Oz answers health questions on Good Day Utah What is the most effective workout trend ? ? > News Judge Judy and Dr . Oz will trade places on FOX 13 What ’ s the best way to get over jet lag ? | [
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http://fox17online.com/2014/07/16/fda-dont-use-spray-sunscreens-on-children/ | FDA : Do n ’ t use spray sunscreens on children Posted 12 : 36 AM , July 16 , 2014 , by FOX 17 News This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . GRAND RAPIDS , Mich . — Sunscreen is a summer must , and there are hundreds of brands to choose from with different SPFs and scents . Even a choice between lotion and spray . According to a consumer report , they say do n ’ t use “ spray ” sunscreens on kids , at least for now . The FDA announced last month that it ’ s investigating the potential risks of spray sunscreens , and until the results are in , spray sunscreens are out . Playing catch , a good game of tag , or enjoying some cold treats from the ice cream man are all fun summer activities kids engjoy when the sun is shining bright in West Michigan neighborhoods But parents know the sun is n ’ t all fun and games . “ I ’ ve experienced a few burns , ” said Thomas Bunk , a father of 4 children . “ I ’ m going through some spot removals now and have been for awhile . So now I take it a lot more seriously and I want my kids to take it seriously , too . ” Thomas Bunk raised a family full of Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts , so spending time outside is a regular family affair . “ We camp , we fish , we hike , ” said Bonk . Now , to protect his kids , Bunk goes what he calls “ old school . ” “ I think cost - wise I get more bang for my buck , and when I buy the lotion at least I know where its going , ” he said . Further down the street , mom of three Karen Bier - Hobbs aims to protect her kids from the sun , but she takes a different approach . “ Spray is what I use . It ’ s very convenient . I can reapply all the time . ” Convenient , but Dr . Randall Duthler of Metro Health recommends against using the spray sunscreen . “ I think the primary concern is inhalation and injury of the lungs . I have children myself , so I ’ ve used spray suntan lotions . I ’ m guilty of it . You know , you try to put it on the face , and it can burn the eyes , and it ’ s very difficult to avoid inhalation , because sometimes kids ca n ’ t coordinate holding their breath when you are trying to spray it , The FDA is studying whether some of the ingredients the kids are swallowing are harmful . On the back of most spray suncreens you can find a warning that says keep out of reach of children and to get medical help if it is swallowed or inhaled , because it can be harmful or fatal . “ I would say there ’ s a risk and benefit to everythng , and you have to weigh that for you personally and your kids , ” said Dr . Duthler . So , after we told Karen about the study , she ’ s thinking that safety weighs more than convenience . “ I want to make sure they are protected as much as possible , ” she said . So when the sun comes out tomorrow , the kids in this neighborhood will still be outside , just with a different sun protection . Consumer Reports is already taking some sunscreen sprays off their approved list . The publication suggests that if you choose to use spray sunscreen on a child , spray it into your hands and lather it on the child . Filed in : News | [
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http://fox17online.com/2014/09/01/minimum-wage-in-michigan-increases-to-8-15-an-hour/ | Minimum wage in Michigan increases to $ 8.15 an hour Posted 10 : 56 AM , September 1 , 2014 , by FOX 17 News Updated at 05 : 35PM , September 1 , 2014 This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . NETWORK ERROR Can not Contact Server RELOAD YOUR SCREEN OR TRY SELECTING A DIFFERENT VIDEO MICHIGAN — The state ' s minimum hourly wage increased from $ 7.40 to $ 8.15 Monday . The increase is part of legislation passed by state lawmakers in May that will raise the minimum wage to $ 9.25 by Jan . 1 , 2018 . Under the same legislation , the minimum wage for tipped workers increases to $ 3.10 an hour from $ 2.65 an hour . The next wage increase is scheduled to take effect Jan . 1 , 2016 when the minimum wage will increase to $ 8.50 an hour . This wage increase comes at a time when the Michigan United Way says about 40 percent of Michigan households do n ' t make enough money to make ends meet to pay for basic needs like housing , food and child care , according to a recent report . Filed in : News | [
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http://fox2now.com/2014/07/02/is-this-bigfoot-a-virginia-man-claims-to-have-captured-clear-images-of-the-creature/ | Is this “ Bigfoot ” ? A Virginia man claims to have captured clear images of the creature Posted 10 : 22 am , July 2 , 2014 , by Staff This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available . Click here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video . A Virginia man claims to have captured the first “ non - blurry ” and “ clear ” images of Bigfoot . Cryptozoology News reports that Randy O ’ Neal said his father and a friend took the photographs late last month , which he believes could contain Bigfoot . YouTube user Randy O ’ Neal writes in the video , “ Approximately 25 years ago my dad , a friend and myslef had a late night run in with an unknown creature . It was around 9pm and we had been camping / fishing / shooting beer cans etc . We had settled down for the night on a remote creekside in Virginia about 5 miles from civilization , off the intercoastal waterway . As the campfire flickered , I kept seeing a set of red eyes watching us from the bushes behind us . This went on for what seemed like hours but was really probably only 20 minutes . Eventually my dad handed me a shotgun and said , “ shoot the damn thing . ” At that point , I did n ’ t see it . I said , “ Daddy , I only see it when the campfire flickers a certain way . “ Then just shoot where you think it is . ” said my dad . So I did . When I shot , whatever I shot let out the most blood curtling scream you could ever imagine . We heard it tear off through the woods and it his the water . When this “ thing ” hit the water , it sounded like a Volkswagen had been dropped into the water . Needless to say , that got Daddy ’ s attention . For a long time that night we felt like we were waling on egg shells , scared to blink . We never heard anything else . The following morning we went to where we heard the creature and were shocked . The path the crerature cleared through the woods as it headed for the water was cleared as if a skid steer had gone through the woods . Not a sapling was left standing . For 25 years , this has been a story we share with the kids and grandkids and honestly we have always wondered . Today , June 28 2014 , my dad and the friend ( Uncle Jap ) were fishing near the location and they caught these photographs . It is still unknown what this is and it is not known if this is the same thing I shot 25 years ago . These pictures are very clear and not blurred . Anyone with good camera equipment can disect these pictures . We are not claiming that this is a “ Bigfoot ” but I promise you that what I shot was something that I have never seen or heard again in my life . These pictures are original . Taken today , 6 / 28 / 2014 using a Verizon Wireless cellular phone . Make what you want of it . My memoriess and experiences have made me a believer . ” Filed in : Trending | [
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http://fox2now.com/2014/07/23/junk-food-thats-actually-good-for-you/ | Junk food that ’ s actually good for you Posted 9 : 50 am , July 23 , 2014 , by John Pertzborn This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . NETWORK ERROR Can not Contact Server RELOAD YOUR SCREEN OR TRY SELECTING A DIFFERENT VIDEO ( KTVI ) - Some call it junk food , but Barnes Jewish Hospital Dietitian , Katie Lambert , talks about six things in the junk food category that can be healthy . Here are six foods and drinks that have been labeled junk food . Adding these back into your diet can help your health , heart and your waist line . Popcorn : Why you think it ' s bad : It s made in a bag that is loaded with butter , salt , and fat . Why it ' s not : Popcorn is high in fiber as well as polyphenols which helps protect against heart disease and cancer . Once it s popped , skip the butter and add olive oil , garlic powder , and a sprinkle of parmesan cheese for a tasty treat . Eat this : Skinny Pop Popcorn : all natural , low calorie popcorn that is free of cholesterol , trans fats , gluten , and preservatives . It ' s Non GMO and is a great source of fiber . Alcohol : Why you think it ' s bad : It has little nutritional value and is the reason we need the term " beer belly . " Why it ' s not : Research has found that for men 2 drinks a day can lower a person s risk for a heart attack . Another study found that men having 1 - 2 drinks regularly and in moderation verses 4 + drinks irregularly will have lower abdominal fat . Moderation is defined as 2 drinks a day per men and 1 per women . Once over this , alcohol has negative effects - raising bad cholesterol and triglycerides - increasing the risk of heart disease and heart attack . Drink this : Pinot noir . It contains more disease - fighting antioxidants than any other type of alcoholic beverage Beef Jerky Why you think it ' s bad : It ' s unhealthy meat that ' s loaded with preservatives . Why it ' s not : Beef jerky is high in protein and does n ' t raise your level of insulin ; a hormone that signals your body to store fat . This is a great snack to have between meals when trying to lose weight . Watch out ; some beef - jerky brands are in high - sodium . If you have high blood pressure , check the label for brands that are made from all - natural ingredients , which reduce the total sodium content . Eat this : Natural Beef Jerky . Natural beef jerky should have no preservatives and can be made with from lean , grass - fed beef . . Research shows that , unlike grain - fed products , grass - fed beef contains the same healthy omega - 3 fats found in fish . Sour Cream Why you think it ' s bad : You know 90 percent of its calories are derived from fat , at least half of which is saturated . Why it ' s not : The percentage of fat is high , but the total amount is n ' t . For a serving of sour cream , 2 tablespoons ; it provides 40 calories and 4 grams of fat &mdash ; half the amount that ' s in a single tablespoon of mayonnaise ; and less saturated fat than you ' d get from drinking a 12 - ounce glass of 2 percent reduced - fat milk . Eat this : Light sour cream . With only 2 grams of fat per tablespoon and the same flavor as the full fat sour cream , it s a great choice to add to your baked potato . Coconut Why you think it ' s bad : Ounce for ounce , coconut contains more saturated fat than butter does . Health experts have warned that it will clog your arteries . Why it ' s not : Even though coconut does contain saturated fat , it may have some good effect on heart - disease risk factors . One reason : More than 50 percent of its saturated - fat content is lauric acid . In a meta - analysis by the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that lauric acid can raise good cholesterol and contains medium chain fatty acids , which effect cholesterol levels insignificantly . However because lauric acid also raises LDL coconut must be eaten in small amounts and not be the major fact source in your Eat this : Shredded , unsweetened coconut . Add some to your cereal or trail mix . Do n t go crazy , it s still high in calories . It ' ll be filling , and wo n ' t spike your blood sugar Chocolate Bars Why you think they ' re bad : They ' re high in both sugar and fat . Why they ' re not : Cocoa is rich in flavonoids ; the same heart - healthy compounds found in red wine and green tea . Dark chocolate contains the most amount of flavonoids which relaxes your blood vessels , improving blood flow to your heart . In a 3.5 ounces of 70 - 85 % dark chocolate has : 11g of fiber , and meets over half of the RDA for Iron , Magnesium , Copper , Manganase , as well as potassium , phosphorus , zinc , and selenium . Watch out ! Even though chocolate contains all Eat this : Intense Dark 72 % Cacao Twilight Delight Singles . It is already portioned out for you and per square its 57.5 calories , and only 5g fat - with only 2g of saturated fat ! Filed in : AM Show 1 Comment ways to lose belly fat for women Excellent post . I was checking constantly this blog and I ’ m impressed ! Extremely helpful info particularly the ultimate phase : ) I handle such info much . I used to be looking for this particular info for a long time . Thanks and best of luck . July 31 , 2014 at 12 : 14 am Comments are closed . | [
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http://fox40.com/2016/03/22/sacramento-parking-meter-hours-could-be-extended/ | City Council Approves Extended Hours for Parking Meters Posted 7 : 25 PM , March 22 , 2016 , by Ben Deci This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . NETWORK ERROR Can not Contact Server RELOAD YOUR SCREEN OR TRY SELECTING A DIFFERENT VIDEO SACRAMENTO - - The city of Sacramento used to subsidize some downtown parking . But maybe not anymore . With a $ 255 million share of the new downtown arena to pay for , Sacramento needs every penny of parking revenue . Art Vallejo at Vallejo ' s Cantina does n ' t have a parking lot . Lots of business owners do n ' t have them here , so they ' re paying attention to the city ' s parking plans . " I think it ' s a good idea . The arena is going to help us . But it all depends on the cost of parking , " Vallejo said . The city has n ' t fixed on a rate yet for nights when there ' s something going on in the new arena . But at Tuesday night ' s council meeting members approved extending the hours that you ' ll have to feed a meter . Currently meters shut down at 6 p.m. most places . Under the new plan , many will run until 10 . " My opinion ? No . Bite me ! " said Patricia Andreasen , an accountant in Old Sacramento . Clearly , not all business owners are on board . The metered parking hours wo n ' t be extended until 10 p.m. throughout the city . In one zone they ' ll be extended to 8 p.m. In another , they wo n ' t be extended at all . That means how long you need to feed the meter could depend on what side of the street you ' re parked on . " Why 10 and why 8 ? That ' s the question , " said Anthony Sadeghi , owner of Karma Brew . Karma Brew stands right on the corner of that seam in the new parking plan . In the area around the arena east to 16th Street metered parking hours would extend from 8 a.m. to 10 p.m. Between 16th and 19th , they would run 8 to 8 . " I ' m sure the city has researched and they know what they ' re doing . Maybe they want to control the traffic and so - on . And , I ' m hoping that they ' re doing the best thing for my business , " Sadeghi said . Filed in : Local News | [
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http://fox43.com/2015/08/09/police-on-the-scene-of-a-deadly-motorcycle-crash-in-york-county/ | Adams County man killed in motorcycle crash on Sunday Posted 6 : 14 PM , August 9 , 2015 , by Jaime Garland This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . NETWORK ERROR Can not Contact Server RELOAD YOUR SCREEN OR TRY SELECTING A DIFFERENT VIDEO The name of the man who was killed in Sunday afternoon ' s motorcycle crash in Paradise Township , York County has been released . 26 - year old Brandon Mathias , of Abbottstown , Adams County died after colliding with a car , while traveling east on West Canal Road . The crash happened around 4 : 00 p.m. between Ruth Farm Lane and Beaver Creek Road . The York County Coroner ' s office says Mathias died at the scene from multiple blunt force trauma . No autopsy will be performed . The conditions of the occupants of Update : The York County Coroner ' s office says a 26 - year old man was killed in a motorcycle crash in Paradise Township on Sunday afternoon . It happened around 4 : 00 p.m. on West Canal Road . A black Toyota SUV was also involved . The name of the victim has not yet been released . Previously reported : Police in York County are currently investigating a deadly motorcycle crash . It happened just before 4 : 00 p.m. on West Canal Road in Paradise Township . Northern York County Regional Police are on the scene and have closed down the roadway between Ruth Farm Lane and Beaver Creek Road to investigate . A York County coroner is also at the crash site . There ' s no word yet on the name of the victim or what caused the crash . Filed in : News Topics : motorcycle crash Paradise Township York County | [
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http://fox4kc.com/2015/03/03/here-are-the-rules-for-tipping-in-the-u-s-2/ | Here are the ‘ rules ’ for how much to tip valet , waiters and more Posted 12 : 54 pm , March 3 , 2015 , by CNN Wire This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . NETWORK ERROR Can not Contact Server RELOAD YOUR SCREEN OR TRY SELECTING A DIFFERENT VIDEO First there ' s the valet . Awaiting your arrival with a welcoming smile , a claim ticket and a tacit understanding that you ' ll know how to properly reciprocate ( $ 5 ) when it ' s time to retrieve your car . Followed by the bellman ( $ 2 first bag , $ 1 each additional ) . And the concierge ( $ 5 to $ 20 , depending on the task ) , who can recommend several good bistros in the area and help with hard - won reservations . Later , the taxi driver whisks you to your restaurant ( 10 - 20 % ) where the maitre d ' has gone the extra distance ( $ 10 plus , quietly ) to secure the perfect window - side table with the sort of grace and palm - nourished professionalism rivaled only by your sommelier ( discretionary ) , waiter ( 15 - 20 % ) and restroom attendant ( a buck if you take the towel and mint ; more for emergency supplies and quick marital advice ) . Back at the hotel , your suite has been carefully prepared by an invisible but very much existent and equally deserving housekeeper ( $ 2 to $ 5 per day ) . And on it goes . Spa therapists and hairdressers ( 15 - 20 % ) . Skycaps ( $ 1 per bag , $ 2 for heavy ones ) and tour guides ( 15 % - ish is most appreciated ) . And now , all of a sudden , let ' s not forget the dude manning the register at the indie pizza joint , gastro - pub or premium ice cream parlor who swipes your card and then swivels the screen around to let you discreetly e - tip a suggested default amount - - 10 % . . .15 % . . . 18 % . . . 25 % . . . and here it comes 30 % ( for over - the - counter grub ) - - while he politely looks away . Yes , there ' s also a " No Gratuity " option at the bottom of the screen if you ' re that person . And not to worry . No one ' s judging you to your face . Whatever you feel is right , pal . Social contract Is there anyone you need n ' t tip on your next trip to the States aside from the guy at customs ( not recommended ) ? " Servers work in the U.S. with the expectation to be tipped - - it ' s a social contract , " says Cornell professor Michael Lynn , a specialist in consumer psychology and the socioeconomic impacts of tipping . " To come here and accept the service of these people , visitors are implicitly accepting those terms . To tip in a manner consistent with our norms . " Not that they always do . Or are legally required to . No one is . Americans do n ' t need laws to dutifully dole out more than $ 40 billion annually in restaurant tips alone according to economist Ofer Azar . Or to espouse a once - reviled , centuries - old institution imported ( and more or less deported ) from Europe where service charges and loose change have largely taken over . Tipping was once so hated in America that six U.S. states officially outlawed it in the early 20th century . The practice once spawned an Anti - Tipping Society of America ( lobbied by traveling salesman ) and has been branded " un - American " in at least one Humphrey Bogart movie . And , yet , tipping in America has survived all that . And thrived in spite of it . Today , Americans love tipping more than ever . At least that ' s what mystified visitors to the U.S. might surmise - - not entirely correctly . A recent Cornell study shows that 44 % of Americans would prefer restaurant waitstaff be paid higher wages instead of relying almost entirely on tips for income . Most states allow employers to claim a " tip credit " which can effectively reduce their minimum hourly wage obligation for tipped employees to as low as $ 2.13 . Ubiquitous tip jars On the other hand , 95 % of Americans still prefer tipping over an automatic Euro - style service charge added to the bill - - an increasingly popular move in domestic tourism industries like cruise lines ( and hub cities like Miami ) that attract foreign clientele who either do n ' t comply with U.S. tipping norms or begrudgingly do but wish they did n ' t have to . " Oh , how I hate the American tipping custom , " laments a New Zealand businessman on traveller . com . " I just hope Americans can be understanding of foreigners who either do n ' t know or understand the system , or simply do n ' t have small denomination cash on them . " " I think it ' s awful that these people have to rely on tipping to make a decent wage , " posts a VirtualTourist international traveler in New York City . " We will tip the expected amount , of course , but I just feel it ' s a lot to add onto our bills . " All grumbling aside , what is the expected amount to tip in the U.S. ? And when ? And why is 25 % suddenly the new 18 % ? And should those ubiquitous tip jars at every cash register be weighing on one ' s conscience too ? Is there a failsafe U.S. tipping guide that can neatly answer all those questions ? " There is no definitive guide to tipping , " says Lynn . " There have been a number of studies done on tipping guidelines and it ' s actually kind of complicated - - - not at all straight forward . " Lynn ' s studies have , however , found a lot of consistency between the general figures listed in guidebooks or online with what real people actually tip according to smaller - scale academic studies . Americans , he also notes , are n ' t just tipping for the classic reason ( to reward good service ) but for several others - - including social approval , guilt reduction and an overall sense of basic duty and moral obligation . The good news , if you ' re just visiting , is you can set all those reasons aside . But you should still tip , within reason . Not 30 % for an already pricey waffle cone . But not a measly 10 % for a meal unless you ' re truly unhappy with the service or pretending it ' s still 1958 ( in Ohio , not Copenhagen ) . " Research shows that people tend to take their tipping habits with them , " says Lynn . " The bigger disparity between what they ' re used to and the culture they ' re traveling to , the more perplexed they ' ll be . " But that ' s not you . Here are some helpful tipping points to store with all those small bills . Food and drink Tipping 15 - 20 % of the bill before tax ( " some would say 15 - 30 % now , " says Lynn ) is the average range for waitstaff , skewing higher for great service . Leaving 10 % reflects substandard service , zero abominable . The old " two pennies on the table " statement just fans flames . ( It ' s a not - so - sly insult that let ' s the server know you did n ' t merely forget to leave a tip . ) If need be , speak to a manager instead . Bartender : $ 1 to $ 2 per drink or the same percentage on your tab as you ' d tip a waiter . You do n ' t normally hand over a tip directly to a waiter or bartender . Although the practice astonishes some international visitors ( who perhaps assume lawlessness lurks around many a corner in the United States ) it ' s standard practice , once your bill is settled , to simply leave the tip on the table or bar top and leave . No one will steal it . No obligation for takeout , but 10 % for special service like curb delivery or larger orders is good form , says emilypost . com . Delivery people who come to your door - - pizza and Chinese restaurants are typical - - expect 10 - 20 % . Hotels No need to pay for smiles , doors opened or highlighting a city map . Or to tip each individual member of the bellman tag - team between curb , lobby and guest room . " Give one handout ( $ 1 to $ 2 per bag ) when you ' ve reached your room , " says budgettravel . com . Tipping the hotel maid daily ( $ 2 to $ 5 ) - - directly , under the pillow or with a little note marked " housekeeping " - - ensures the right person receives it and that your room looks the part during your stay . Room service : tip at least $ 5 unless gratuity is included in the check , says businessinsider . com . Transportation Valet : $ 2 to $ 5 , generally when the car is returned to you . Courtesy shuttle : $ 1 to $ 2 per bag if your driver helps you with them . Taxis , limos , vans and paid shuttles : 15 % of the total fare and up to 20 % for above - and - beyond service , advises tipguide . org . Head to heel Hair : 15 % will suffice but the " cardinal rule " for salons is 20 % , says stylelist . com . Same range is customary for your massage therapist at the spa . Shoe shine : 10 % = Unhappy . 20 % = " We ' re good . " 30 % = " Wow . " 40 % = " You ' ve just made my day , I want to make yours , " translates a seasoned New York shoe shine person to esquire . com . Last few tips Before tipping , check that a service charge has n ' t already been added . Tip discreetly , respectfully and from the full amount if you use a coupon or gift certificate to offset the bill . When in doubt , you ' re allowed to ask ( preferably the receptionist or concierge , and not the person you ' d actually be tipping ) if tipping is customary and generally how much is appropriate . Trademark and Copyright 2019 Cable News Network , Inc . , a Time Warner Company . 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http://fox5sandiego.com/2018/01/23/the-oscar-nominations-will-lady-bird-soar-and-shape-of-water-sink/ | The Oscar Nominations — Will Lady Bird soar and Shape of Water Sink ? Posted 11 : 38 AM , January 23 , 2018 , by Josh Board This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . Another list of Oscar nominees , and another story on me griping about it . I ’ ll start with the people reading the nominations . Nice to see Andy Serkis up there with Tiffany Haddish , but would it have killed her to learn how to pronounce ALL the names of the possible nominees ? I thought after John Travolta butchered a name a few years ago , they ’ d all learn that it ’ s best to learn how to pronounce names . Now , on to the nominations … . Three Billboards Outside Ebbing , Missouri was okay , but cartoonish , unrealistic characters just killed it for me . It got seven nominations . Dunkirk , which bored me and my friend ( a World War II buff ) , got eight nominations . A whopping nine movies got nominated this year , and only one of them made my Top 10 list of the year — Lady Bird ( two others almost made my list — The Post and Get Out ) . I want to know where movies on my list were : The Big Sick , Molly ’ s Game , Wind River , Last Flag Flying , and the most underrated movie of the year — Good Time ( Robert Pattinson and Benny Safdie deserved nominations as well ) . Perhaps Wind River did n ’ t get love because of the Harvey Weinstein connection , but that is n ’ t fair to the movie ; and does n ’ t anybody realize that Kobe Bryant , who settled a rape case , got an Oscar nomination this year ? Oh , but we ’ re going to snub Wind River and James Franco , who deserved one for The Disaster Artist . Other best picture nominees — Call Me by Your Name ( overrated ) , Darkest Hour ( boring ) , Get Out ( good , but highly overrated ) , and Phantom Thread , which was just an awful movie . It ’ s amazing that it got so many nominations ; although I have no problem with Daniel Day - Lewis and Lesley Manville getting nominations . As usual , they were brilliant . Frances McDormand got her fourth nomination for Three Billboards , and she was terrific . I was actually really impressed with Saoirse Ronan ( Lady Bird ) , as this was one of my favorite movies of the year . Margot Robbie nailed Tonya Harding ( and she was super nice to me at the Critics ’ Choice awards ) . Meryl Streep showed a nice vulnerability in The Post ( and really , do n ’ t they have to nominate Streep no matter what the role ? ) . Sally Hawkins as a mute cleaning lady in The Shape of Water was tremendous ( despite the movie being overrated , and cliched ) . Yet I would ’ ve loved to see Sally Hawkins , and her terrific co - star Ethan Hawke , get a little love for Maudie , one of the little scene gems of this year . For the men , it ’ s hard for me not to root for Gary Oldman as Winston Churchill in Darkest Hour . I met him at CinemaCon in Vegas and he was nice . I talked to him again at the Critics ’ Choice Awards , where I handed him one of my cigars and said , “ Let ’ s celebrate your win tonight with one of these . ” He pointed and winked at me . Timothee Chalamet was terrific in Call Me by Your Name , and was also good in a smaller role in Lady Bird . He ’ s young though ( the youngest nominee in this category in 75 years ) … so I wo n ’ t be rooting for him to win . He ’ ll get other opportunities . Daniel Kaluuya was okay in Get Out , but I would ’ ve liked to see him or Denzel left out ( Washington just because Roman J . Israel was a mess of a movie ) , and Franco in one of those slots . And certainly Jeremy Renner deserved consideration for Wind River . With Kaluuya , Washington , Mary J . Blige ( Mudbound ) , Octavia Spencer , and Jordan Peele — nobody is going to hashtag “ Oscars so white . ” As thrilled as I am for Peele getting that nomination — did Octavia Spencer really deserve the nomination for her sassy , cliched role in The Shape of Water ? Love her in everything she ’ s in ( and Hidden Figures made my Top 10 the year it came out ) , but that role did n ’ t deserve a nomination . Since Hollywood types always want something to rally behind , it ’ s doubtful they ’ ll complain about the women not getting any love . People are saying Wonder Woman got snubbed , but … it was just an average superhero picture . Spider - man : Homecoming was way better . And hey — the first female cinematographer ever ( Rachel Morrison for Mudbound ) got a nomination , as well as Greta Gerwig , directing her first movie ( ) . The list of directors nominated baffled me . Even though I was lukewarm on Shape of Water , it ’ s nice that Guillermo del Toro got a nomination . I love his love of film , and it was beautifully shot . But Christopher Nolan and Paul Thomas Anderson did n ’ t deserve it this year . For actors in a supporting role , I ’ m really rooting for Willem Dafoe . He was so amazing in The Florida Project , which was actually a movie I did n ’ t like , despite his performance . Woody Harrelson basically plays a character he ’ s done before in Three Billboards . Richard Jenkins is solid in Shape of Water , but he ’ s had much better roles ( go find The Visitor ) . Sam Rockwell , who just won the SAG award , is one of the best actors working today . Yet his character in Three Billboards is over - the - top and cartoonish . Christopher Plummer , the oldest actor ever nominated ( at 88 ) is playing the type of role he ’ s also done before . It ’ s a nice slap in the face to Kevin Spacey that he got the nomination for All the Money in the World . Please … give the to Dafoe . The actresses in a support role is tough for me . Mary J . Blige was good in , although I ’ m tempted to use the cliche “ It ’ s an honor just to be nominated . ” Manville was one of the only things making Phantom Thread watchable . Octavia Spencer in was a nothing of a role . I seriously want this to be a tie between the two best performances of the year — Allison Janney as the mom from hell in I , Tonya … .and Laurie Metcalf as the mom from hell in For the adapted screenplay , I ’ d be happy with Molly ’ s Game ( more brilliance from Aaron Sorkin ) or The Disaster Artist winning . The other nominee that did n ’ t get any other nominations — Logan But when it comes to writing , they better damn well give it to The Big Sick in the original screenplay category . They denied Holly Hunter a nomination , as well as a few other things this movie deserved . It ’ s one of the best of the year ( I can almost guarantee will win the award , though ) . It was a weak year for animated films , but three that I loved got nominated — The Boss Baby Coco , and the least seen of the bunch and the most interesting in terms of how it was made — Loving Vincent The Bread Winner and Ferdinand were the other nominees ) . The documentary nominees left out Jane , which surprised the hell out of me . With musical scores … John Williams got nominated for the latest Star Wars . One of my favorite trivia questions is asking who Williams lost the to for his Close Encounters score in 1977 . It was to himself — for the score of the first Star Wars Jonny Greenwood ( Radiohead guitarist ) did a great job with ( I still hate his score for Anderson ’ s There Will Be Blood ) . Carter Burwell always does terrific work , as he did for I hate to admit I do n ’ t remember how Alexandre Desplat sounded in the Shape of Water . The one I did n ’ t like was the usually reliable Hans Zimmer for Dunkirk . It was so … .loud and distracting ( which is what I think they wanted , but annoying nonetheless ) . I wo n ’ t get into all the other categories , since most people do n ’ t care about them . I will say this , though . If the Academy is n ’ t going to show any love to Wind River because of Weinstein , why does Baby Driver get love for some of the editing categories ? It had Kevin Spacey in it . I mean … All the Money in the World spent all the money to edit Spacey out . Yet Baby Driver , which starred Spacey , gets a pass ? Among other snubs , Jake Gyllenhaal gave an interesting performance in Stronger , and he always does different roles . Michael Stuhlbarg — the best thing in Call Me By Your Name The two most frustrating were Annette Bening for Film Stars Do n ’ t Die in Liverpool . It was an amazing performance , and the movie was one of the best of the year . The only reason it did n ’ t make my Top 10 list is that I did n ’ t see it until after January 1st . The other frustrating snub , and it ’ s a shame I may be the only critic saying this — Good Time . It deserved a screenplay nomination , acting nominations , and directing . Do yourself a favor and seek this movie out . You ’ ll be glad you did . Filed in : At the Movies Blog | [
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http://fox8.com/2014/01/30/when-will-winter-end-weather-team-reveals-what-lies-ahead/ | When Will Winter End ? Weather Team Reveals What Lies Ahead Posted 8 : 31 pm , January 30 , 2014 , by Darcie Loreno This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . NETWORK ERROR Can not Contact Server RELOAD YOUR SCREEN OR TRY SELECTING A DIFFERENT VIDEO This winter has not been an easy one for us here in Northeast Ohio . From the snow to the bitter cold , Mother Nature has been harsh . What ' s left to come , and when will it be over ? Dick Goddard and the Fox 8 Weather Team has our forecast for the rest of the winter . Watch the video player above for that forecast . Filed in : News Weather Topics : winter forecast | [
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http://fox8.com/2014/07/04/joan-rivers-jokes-obama-is-gay-first-lady-is-transgender/ | Joan Rivers jokes Obama is gay , first lady is transgender Posted 4 : 57 pm , July 4 , 2014 , by CNNwire This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . ( CNN ) — Who needs Fourth of July fireworks when you have Joan Rivers around ? The comedian known for her lack of self - censoring recently officiated a same - sex wedding and was asked by a photographer if she believed the United States would ever see the first gay or female president . Her response was typical Rivers . “ We already have it with Obama , so let ’ s just calm down , ” she said . “ You know Michelle ( Obama ) is a trans . ” When asked to further explain Rivers said , “ A transgender . We all know it . ” A representative for Rivers released the following statement to CNN from the comic about her remarks to the photographer : “ I think it ’ s a compliment . She ’ s so attractive , tall , with a beautiful body , great face , does great makeup . Take a look and go back to La Cage Au Follies ( sic ) . The most gorgeous women are transgender . Stop it already … and if you want to talk about ‘ politically correct , ’ I think this is a ‘ politically incorrect ’ attack on me because I ’ m old , Jewish , a woman and a ‘ hetty ’ — a heteosexual … and I Rivers is no stranger to controversy . This past April , she refused to apologize after making a comment about Amanda Berry , Michelle Knight and Gina DeJesus . She made the comment on the “ Today ” show after being asked what it ’ s like to live with her daughter . She said , “ Those women in the basement of Cleveland have more space . ” In March 2013 she refused to apologize for a joke she made about the dress “ Project Runway ” host Heidi Klum wore to the Academy Awards . “ The last time a German looked this hot was when they were pushing Jews into the ovens , ” Rivers said while appearing on the E ! channel ’ s “ Fashion Police ” show . The Anti - Defamation League slammed Rivers , calling the remark “ vulgar and hideous , ” but she said it was her way of getting people to talk . “ It ’ s a joke , No . 1 . No . 2 it is about the Holocaust , ” she told HLN ’ s “ Showbiz Tonight . “ This is the way I remind people about the Holocaust . I do it through humor . ” Of course , this latest dust - up coincides with Rivers ’ book , “ Diary of a Mad Diva , ” which was released on July 1 . Rivers ’ representative told CNN , “ These are all funny jokes . The book is hysterical . The prologue says if anyone takes anything in the book seriously ( he or she ) is an idiot . And ( Rivers ) says if anyone has a problem with that , they can feel free to call her lawyer Clarence Darrow . ” Trademark and Copyright 2019 Cable News Network , Inc . , a Time Warner Company . All rights reserved . Filed in : Entertainment News Topics : joan rivers | [
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http://fox8.com/2014/07/15/cashing-in-on-rnc-home-rental-going-for-40k-a-week/ | Cashing in on RNC : Home rental going for $ 40K a week Posted 11 : 32 pm , July 15 , 2014 , by Autumn Ziemba This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . NETWORK ERROR Can not Contact Server RELOAD YOUR SCREEN OR TRY SELECTING A DIFFERENT VIDEO CLEVELAND - - Would you be willing to vacate your home for a week ? What if someone offered you $ 40,000 ? Private home rentals could skyrocket in Cleveland , as the Republican National Convention is expected to converge on our city . Hotels are already reserving blocks of rooms for 2016 , but local realtors say many travelers prefer to stay in a more home - like setting . " At first , I thought it was a joke . " Remax realtor Roger Scheve is referring to a newly - listed property in Cleveland ' s Detroit Shoreway neighborhood . The modern , million - dollar property comes with all the finishings , but it ' s not for sale . It ' s for rent , only during the week of the Republican National Convention , at a $ 40,000 price tag . " It ' s the first eye - opening ( event ) that we ' ve all had to what ' s going to be coming here in the next two years , " fellow Remax agent , Mark Snyder , explained . Snyder told FOX 8 his Remax offices are already compiling their lists of potential clients who might be interested in opening their doors to out - of - town renters , and the opportunities that come with it . " Oh , bragging rights maybe , for one ! " Snyder laughed . " And they could say that we rented our house out for a week to somebody - - it might even be somebody special . " " A downtown condo , for a week rental like that , if it ' s furnished , should probably bring in $ 2,500 to $ 3,500 for the week , " Scheve said . " It ' s a way to make extra money . " Proximity to downtown is key for interested renters but the Remax agents said , do n ' t count out nearby suburbs that might have access to easy transportation , including Lakewood and Cleveland Heights . Just off Edgewater Drive in Lakewood Tuesday afternoon , the neighborhood was already buzzing as homeowners weighed their options . " Yeah , we ' ve thought about it . You know , we ' ve got a little time . It could be a good thing , " said Bruce Mohline . " If I get good dollar , I ' ll move out in a minute ! " " $ 40,000 - - that ' s awesome . I mean , who could deny that ? " said Patrick Hruby . Of course , not every home will garner 40K . And while some find that price tag absurd , the Remax team said it ' s actually feasible . " You might have four people at $ 10,000 for the week , and there is that money out there . So , it ' s high , but there ' s gonna be some demand out there for people at the top of that pyramid who can afford it , " Snyder told FOX 8 . Snyder recommends that anyone interested in renting out their home during the convention contact a professional broker . He also said renters will need to draw up an official lease agreement , amend their insurance policies and make sure to secure valuables , preferably outside the home . CLICK for the latest on the Republican National Convention . Filed in : News Republican National Convention Topics : cleveland news | [
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http://fox8.com/2017/01/30/what-has-president-trump-done-so-far-15-executive-actions-and-what-they-mean/ | What has President Trump done so far ? 15 executive actions and what they mean Posted 1 : 32 pm , January 30 , 2017 , by CNNwire Updated at 01 : 36PM , January 30 , 2017 This is an archived article and the information in the article may be outdated . Please look at the time stamp on the story to see when it was last updated . With the flick of pen , a new president can undo years of work by a previous administration through his constitutional “ executive powers . ” Since relocating to the White House , President Donald Trump has signed a number of executive actions , including executive orders and presidential memoranda , aimed both at fulfilling his campaign promises and at rolling back the policies of former President Barack Obama . “ We do not need new laws , ” Trump said soon after signing the two executive orders related to immigration on Wednesday , indicating he ’ ll test the existing framework . Here ’ s a look at both the orders and memoranda he has signed so far . Trump ’ s first week of executive orders An executive order is a legally binding document that declares government policy . Unable to reverse a law passed by Congress , it is more often used to delegate and direct government agencies and departments . Since taking the inaugural oath , Trump has , so far , signed four executive orders . Day 1 : Minimizing the Economic Burden of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act Pending Repeal Hours after taking the oath of office , Trump issued an executive order aimed at rolling back Obamacare . The directive called on the secretary of health and human services , in addition to other agencies , to interpret regulations as loosely as possible to minimize the financial burden on individuals , insurers , health care providers and others . Who will it affect ? The order ’ s language is somewhat vague and considering that Obamacare was passed through Congress , this presidential action ca n ’ t change the law . The process of changing the law is underway , however . The House of Representatives recently approved a budget that would allow Congress to repeal parts of the Affordable Care Act and congressional Republicans and the White House are scrambling to develop a replacement . President Trump hopes to replace it with his own administration ’ s health care law . All of that means this executive Day 4 : Expediting environmental reviews and approvals for high profile infrastructure projects Trump directed those in charge of evaluating the environmental impact of infrastructure projects to return their assessments in a more timelier manner . Who will it affect ? Trump promised to make new spending on US infrastructure projects a priority of his administration . He needs Congress to approve any new spending bill , but this order could help expedite certain projects . Day 6 : Border security and immigration enforcement improvements Fulfilling another of his campaign promises , President Trump instructed the Department of Homeland Security to commence immediate construction of a 1,900 - mile long wall along the southern border with Mexico using existing federal funds to get it started . The directive also signaled beefing up the border with and additional 5,000 border protection officers . Who will it affect ? It ’ s unclear where the funds for building the wall will come from . Congress would need to approve any new funding for both the wall . Some of the land is privately owned , which could prove another hurdle . But it could potentially bring more jobs and a financial injection to the economy of the border regions once construction begins and with the introduction of more border agents . More officers would also probably mean more deportations of undocumented immigrants . Day 6 : Enhancing public safety in the Interior of the United States This executive order aims to tackle the issue of undocumented immigrants through deportation and tripling resources for enforcement with 10,000 additional immigration officers . It also targets so - called “ sanctuary cities ” — cities , states and other entities which can refuse to turn over undocumented immigrants to federal authorities through a variety of shielding policies — by withholding funding . Who will it affect ? Again , this order would likely see an increase in the number of undocumented immigrants being deported . And while the administration ca n ’ t cut off all federal funding , as Congress pays out much of it , the President could put pressure on cities to comply . Day 9 : Ethics Commitments by Executive Branch Appointees Designed to give teeth to Trump ’ s campaign pledge to “ drain the swamp ” in Washington , the order imposes a lifetime ban on administration officials lobbying for foreign governments , and a five - year ban for other lobbying . Officials also have to pledge they “ will not for a period of 2 years from the date of my appointment participate in any particular matter involving specific parties that is directly and substantially related to my former employer or former clients , including regulations and contracts . ” Who will it affect ? Some cabinet picks will likely have to submit new ethics agreements if they have financial ties with companies affected by the actions of their departments . They will now have to agree to a two - year moratorium , instead of the original one year . Trump ’ s first nine days of presidential memoranda In addition to the executive orders , Trump signed eight presidential memoranda , which have less legal weight than an executive order and are more important as documents laying out the priorities of his administration . They can have real consequences , however . Day 1 : 1 . Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies — An order to halt any new federal regulations until they can be reviewed by the new administration . Actually rolling back regulations the Obama administration put in place will take time and a bureaucratic process . This was a near exact replica of executive orders that the past two presidents have had their chiefs of staff issue at the beginning of their administrations . Day 3 : 2 . Regarding the Mexico City Policy — Reinstates a policy that , among other things , restricts US funding to NGOs that provide abortions . 3 . Regarding Withdrawal of the United States from the Trans - Pacific Partnership Negotiations and Agreement — Withdraws the US from a massive trade deal that was negotiated by the Obama administration , but not yet ratified by Congress . It was largely a symbolic move since the TPP was never officially enacted . 4 . Regarding the Hiring Freeze — Institutes a freeze on the hiring of new federal workers , except for the military . It contains wide exemptions for jobs “ necessary to meet national security or public safety responsibilities , ” which is a broad definition . It also exempts military hiring , which accounts for a third of federal jobs . Day 4 : 5 . Construction of American Pipelines – Says new pipelines should be made using US - produced materials . 6 . Regarding Construction of the Keystone XL Pipeline — Kick starts a pipeline the Obama administration had quashed . Trump ’ s order allows the pipelines to proceed but the projects are still a long way from getting underway . Trump himself said the US would renegotiate the terms of the pipelines , which implies a lengthy process with several competing interests . 7 . Regarding Construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline — Prioritizes a controversial pipeline that was the subject of protests in North Dakota 8 . Streamlining Permitting and Reducing Regulatory Burdens for Domestic Manufacturing — Requests a plan to make the permitting process easier for US manufacturers . Day 9 : 9 : Organization of the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council Elevates the President ’ s chief strategist , Stephen Bannon , to full membership of the NSC and downgrades the roles of Director of National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who “ shall attend where issues pertaining to their responsibilities and expertise are to be discussed . ” 10 : Plan to Defeat the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria President Trump orders a new plan to defeat ISIS to be drawn up within 30 days . It will include mechanisms to cut off all of the terror group ’ s funding , including sale of oil and historical artifacts . One week in : Who signed more — Trump or Obama ? Trump is the latest in a long line of incoming commanders - in - chief flexing their executive muscles the first week on the job . Presidents , going all the way back to George Washington , have often taken unilateral steps to skirt past adverse lawmakers and bypass Congress — some more than others . Getting straight to business on Inauguration Day , Trump immediately signed an order instructing federal agencies to weaken Obamacare . Not since Bill Clinton in 1993 had an incoming president signed an executive order on his first day in office . President Trump can reverse any of his predecessor ’ s executive orders , just as Trump ’ s successor can overturn anything he signs while in office . Shortly after stepping into the White House , Obama signed executive actions aimed at closing Guantanamo Bay and shuttering secret detention facilities — promises he had assured voters of while on the campaign trail . In fact , the then - president signed six executive orders in the first 30 days of his first term that reversed eight orders from George W . Bush . Unlike executive orders , presidential memos do not have to be released publicly so it is hard to document the exact number issued during a president ’ s term . Obama was known for utilizing alternative presidential actions more often than executive orders . With several more expected executive orders on trade and immigration , and Trump also eying up another on voter fraud , one thing is clear : like many of his predecessors , the President is using his new executive powers to make his campaign promises a reality . * * This is a rolling list of executive actions undertaken by President Trump since taking office , as of January 30 , 10 : 00 ET . This piece will be updated to reflect any new orders signed * * Trademark and Copyright 2019 Cable News Network , Inc . , a Time Warner Company . All rights reserved . Filed in : News Topics : Donald Trump | [
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http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/exclusive-meet-the-usafs-long-awaited-kc-46a-pegasus-t-1675663600 | Exclusive : Meet The USAF ' s Long Awaited KC - 46A Pegasus Tanker Tyler Rogoway 12 / 27 / 14 6 : 54pm Filed to : Tankers 223 29 It ' s been a decade and a half in the making , but now the time has finally come to see the USAF ' s new tanker in whole form , moving under its own power . The KC - 46A is based on different elements of different variations of the Boeing 767 , and once fielded , it will represent a massive capability increase in American aerial refueling and transport capabilities . UPDATE 10 : 30AM 12 / 28 / 2014 : See the first pics of the KC - 46 demonstrator take flight by cliking here : The USAF ' s KC - 46 Pegasus Tanker Finally Takes Flight Yesterday we were the first to show you the USAF ' s new KC - 46 Pegasus tanker demonstrator doing … Read more Advertisement Today , December 27th , 2014 , the winner of the long - fought and highly controversial KC - X contract rumbled out of its parking spot at Boeing ' s heavy airliner plant in Everett , Washington , and executed a series of taxi tests , including high - speed runs . The wide - body airliner - cum - cargo hauler - cum military aerial refueler should make its first flight very soon , with some rumors stating that it could happen as early as tomorrow . The World ' s Only KC - 747 Tanker Is Flown By The Iranian Air Force There are some big tanker aircraft flying around the world , including those based on the DC - 10 , 767 … Read more Advertisement The KC - 46A will feature innovative new technologies and capabilities . A three - point hose and drogue refueling system will be standard along with a fly - by - wire refueling boom . Omitted from the KC - 46A design is the traditional ' boom pod ' with its bay window and line - of - sight boom control station . Instead , the KC - 46A will use a 3D video system fed to a refueling console for boom control . Behold The Amazing Images Of This USAF Aerial Refueling Boom Operator It is considered one of the best jobs in the USAF , and you sure ca n ' t beat the office view . … Industry provided photo of the KC - 46A ' s 3D refueling control station : The Pegasus will be equipped with a modern radar warning receiver and defensive countermeasure systems , along with a full glass cockpit and an advanced navigation system to comply with international standards . When it comes to lugging cargo around , the KC - 46A far exceeds the KC - 135 in every respect , with 18 palets being carried on a single mission . The Pegasus will also be more economical to operate considering the enhanced capability it provides over the Stratotanker . Other goodies include night - vision compatible lighting and future multi - mission capabilities via in the installation of plug - and - play consoles . Formation Of C - 17s Light Up The Night Sky Like You ' ve Never Seen Just because low - flying C - 17s can drop their cargo under the cover of night does not mean they … The KC - X contract will likely see 179 KC - 46As replace the oldest KC - 135 Stratotankers ( some are close to 60 years old ) at a cost of over $ 50 billion through 2028 . The first four units will work as engineering test and evaluation models , with the 175 that follow being ' front line ' KC - 46s . Hundreds more Pegasus tankers could continue to be supplied beyond the initial 179 aircraft if the USAF is happy with the jet ' s performance and there are funds available . The first 18 combat capable KC - 46As will be delivered by the end of 2017 to McConnell AFB , in Wichita , Kansas . Altus AFB , located in Oklahoma Confessions Of A USAF KC - 135 ' Flying Gas Station ' Boom Operator It is one of the coolest jobs in the entire U.S. military , " Booms " as they are … Foxtrot Alpha will keep you up to date as the KC - 46A program evolves and remember : Nobody kicks ass without tanker gas . . . NOBODY ! Taxi pictures via our friend and talented photographer Jeremy Dwyer - Lindgren / JDLMultimedia , click here to see more of his outstanding shots . Tyler Rogoway is a defense journalist and photographer who maintains the website Foxtrot Alpha for Jalopnik . com You can reach Tyler with story ideas or direct comments regarding this or any other defense topic via the email address Tyler @ Jalopnik . com Share This Story | [
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http://fpehs.org/prospect1.html | HOME ABOUT US MEMBERSHIP SOCIETY ARCHIVES GENEALOGY BIBLIOGRAPHY MONTHLY HISTORY USEFUL LINKS CONTACT US Prospect , Virginia , according to Clarence Bradshaw ' s History of Prince Edward County , Virginia from its Earliest Settlements through its Establishment in 1754 to its Bicentennial Year St . James A.M.E. Church Prospect United Methodist Church Peaks Baptist Church Olive Branch United Methodist Church Bethpeor Baptist Church Buffalo Presbyterian Davis Memorial Presbyterian Church Glenn Memorial Baptisit Church Prospect is a small village on the western side of Prince Edward County . Once it had several general stores , a farmers ’ supply store , a high school and elementary school , a cannery , a doctor , an attorney , a hotel , and a railroad depot that served the surrounding agricultural area . This community is rich in the history of agriculture , religious organizations , education , and mercantilism . As early as 1802 , there is mention of a store operated by Robert Venable near the community of Prospect . Mail routes traveled through Prospect as early as 1826 with a route running from Prince Edward Courthouse ( Worsham ) via Prospect to Concord once a week . In 1838 bids were accepted for a four - and - one - half year mail route from 1839 to 1843 to run from Farmville via Prospect , Walkers Church , Spout Spring , Concord , to Lynchburg for three times a week . In 1840 , there were ten post offices listed in Prince Edward : Marble Hill , Sandy River Church , Midway Inn , Farmville , Walkers Church , Prospect , Prince Edward Courthouse , Burkeville , Jamestown , and Clover Hill . Trains carried the mail after the Richmond and Danville and Southside Railroads built through Prince Edward . People were not accustomed to getting their each day , but it is reported in Bradshaw ’ s History of Prince Edward County Virginia that Thomas T . Tredway , representative to the House of Delegates , would send a boy to Prospect to get his mail three times a week , on Tuesday , Thursday and Saturday . In the 1850 ' s , Southside Railroad had water tanks at Marrowbone Creek between Rice and Moran , at Farmville , at Tuggle , and at Prospect . Also since the fuel tenders were small , at the same water - tank stations , the railroad had contracts with local people to furnish wood , cut to the correct lengths . In 1897 , Norfolk & Western maintained telegraph offices at Moran , Rice , High Bridge , Farmville , Tuggle , Prospect and Elam to stop trains when there were others on the same tracks . In the mid - 1800 ' s , there are records referring to the extensive orchards with new varieties of apples , pears , peaches , and grapes being developed in the Prospect area . Among the farms mentioned were the following : George Gillespie on Falling Creek , Nancy Woodson at Brooklyn , Stephen Harvey , James Venable at Forest Green , Mercer Blackwell , Henry J . Venable , and Spring Hill Nursery of Venable and Garden . Physicians who worked out of Prospect were Dr . Merrit B . Allen in the 1840 ' s and Dr . J . F . Alsop in the early 1900 ' s . In the post - Civil War era , Charles E . Glenn of Prospect operated a singing school for both instruction and social affairs . In 1883 , records show that Prospect had a graded school with two teachers and 42 students with M . R . Crawley as principal . In 1887 - 1888 , J . P . Glenn is listed as principal of a school near the community . County records show that in 1906 - 1907 Buffalo district planned to add a third room to the two - room school building in Prospect and open a high school there . Citizens wanted to support the idea of district high schools and formed the School Improvement League of Prospect with R . J . Carter as president . Beginning with 1922 and for the next five years , all white one - two - three room schools were consolidated into six district high schools – Farmville , Prospect , Darlington Heights , Worsham , Green Bay and Rice . In 1923 , the Virginia General Assembly authorized the Prince Edward School Board to borrow $ 15,000 to build a school at Prospect and the county Board of Supervisors to levy a tax to pay the interest and to create a sinking fund for the retirement of bonds to build such a school . In 1924 that building was erected . In fall of 1941 , the county further consolidated its high schools . Rice and Prospect went together with Farmville High School and Darlington Heights consolidated with Worsham . The Prospect school building burned in 1946 and was rebuilt serving as an elementary school until the closing of the county schools in 1959 . Electricity came to Farmville in the 1890 ' s with the Farmville Electric Light , Heat , and Power Company . In 1921 the Farmville Town Council approved furnishing electricity to Prospect provided a line would be built . B . T . Taylor organized the Prospect Light and Power Company to construct the lines . On May 19 , 1923 , at 4 : 15 p.m. power was turned on to the Prospect line . The people of the Prospect area have had a strong religious community . Revival preachers , such as Rev . Samuel Harris and Rev . John Early , provided the earliest inspirations in the late 1700 ' s and early 1800 ' s . As early as 1773 , the Appomattox Baptist Church ( Rocks ) reconstituted in Prince Edward at Peaks meetinghouse on land of Richard Peak . Rev . John McLeroy was the first minister . In the Buffaloe community , west of Prospect , there is evidence of Presbyterian worship as far back as 1739 . Rev . Richard Sankey bought land in 1761 for a meetinghouse . In 1820 , Prospect Church acquired land from Robert Venable . The trustees were Charles Venable , William Johnson , David Anderson , Jesse Bradley , and Samuel Venable . The Methodist Episcopal Church used this meetinghouse until it burned in 1860 . The site of the church is in the present Prospect Cemetery . The present Methodist church was built in 1859 . In 1814 , a Methodist congregation built a log meetinghouse three and a half miles east of Jonna Gray ’ s land , which is west of Prospect . In 1829 , the Olive Branch congregation bought the meetinghouse land from Benjamin and Mary W . Boatwright . The trustees of this church were Rev . William Johnson , Rev . James McNeal , Edwin Gray , Thomas Andrews , Joel Elam , John C . Owen , Charles W . Wilkerson , James Martin and Charles Venable . A new church was built on the present site in 1859 In 1869 , a group of African Methodist Episcopalians acquired land from William M . Jenkins a mile west of Prospect Depot for the construction of a house of worship . Trustees were James Bruce , Henry Woodson , and Emmanuel Walker . Matthew Walthall was the minister . In 1881 , the church acquired land in the village of Prospect from James D . and Amanda Crawley . In 1889 , trustees of the church purchased land from John R . Wilson and W . M . Gilliam for a parsonnage and a church next to the railroad track In 1911 , Davis Memorial Presbyterian Church was organized . Land for the church was deeded from R . A . and Sudie H . Davis to trustees A . C . Allen , W . S . Garden , and J . S . Moore . In the Five Forks area , the Baptist held services for member of the Spring Creek congregation . The land for Bethpeor Church was conveyed from J . S . Harris to the trustees C . O . Harris and G . W . Gilliam . The church was formally constituted in 1912 . Rev . W . A . Peasron was the first pastor . Glenn Memorial Baptist Church was first built on land donated by Lucy W . Glenn . The church was an outgrowth of the efforts of its first pastor Rev . C . Edward Burrell of Farmville . Some of its first members came from Mathews Church in Hixsburg . Original trustees were Hunter Wilkerson , Thomas H . Coleman , and Robert A . Brisentine . - compiled by Edwina Covington - source Bradshaw , Herbert Clarence History of Prince Edward County , Virginia from its Earliest Settlements through its Establishment in 1754 to its Bicentennial Year 1955 . Return to Prospect Village Website created and maintained by Farmville - Prince Edward Historical Society Edwina Covington , webmaster created March , 2003 last modified August , 2003 hosted by NTelos | [
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http://fpif.org/what_war_between_iran_and_saudi_arabia_might_look_like/ | What War Between Iran and Saudi Arabia Might Look Like In the event of war , Iran ’ s missiles could wreak havoc with Saudi Arabia . By Scott Charney October 16 , 2011 Print Suspicion continues to swirl over the bizarre plot , allegedly by agents of the Iranian government , to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States , and launch attacks on the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington , DC . Most of the speculation focuses on the veracity of the Obama Administration ’ s claims and the possible responses . Some commentators have also mentioned the alleged “ Cold War ” in the Middle East , with Iran and its allies on one side , and Saudi Arabia and its allies on the other . Few observers , however While much talk focuses on Iran ’ s alleged pursuit of a nuclear weapon , some analysts point out that Iran ’ s military accelerated its missile program as a way to compensate for its inability to match the air power of potential rivals . As a result , Iran now possesses various models of various types ( ballistic , cruise , et cetera ) of missiles , most of which can reach well into Saudi Arabia and some of which are accurate enough to be used against military bases of various types . These missiles could also hit facilities The Royal Saudi Air Force would have no choice but to eliminate Iran ’ s many missiles as quickly as possible . The Saudis would not necessarily know which of the missile sites are home to the high - priority missiles of higher accuracy , thus forcing them to attempt to neutralize them all . If the Iranians are smart , they have prepared ( or will prepare ) dummy missile sites , which can serve as decoys . The Serbs did this to great effect in 1999 during the attacks on their country by NATO . In any case Opinion is divided as to whether or not a war would unite much of the Iranian population in nationalistic enthusiasm , or whether the dissent of recent years would erupt again . If the Saudis struck first , the former scenario is more likely . As for the Saudis , King Abdullah is in his late 80s , Crown Prince Sultan is only slightly younger and in poor health , and the line of succession becomes contentious after that . The Kingdom ’ s restive Shi ’ a primarily live in oil - producing regions near Bahrain , and they Scott Charney is an intern at Foreign Policy in Focus . Issues : War & Peace Regions : Iran Middle East & North Africa Saudi Arabia Tags : Iran iran assassination plot iran missiles Saudi Arabia | [
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http://francescomolfese.it/en/2018/03/azure-sql-database-come-gestire-la-connettivita-con-i-vnet-service-endpoints/ | Azure SQL Database how to manage connectivity with vNet Service Endpoints To have more control over accesses performed on SQL Azure Database last month Microsoft has publicly released the option to enable Virtual Network vNet Service Endpoints for SQL Database This article will explain the working principle with resulting benefits and it will show its configuration Characteristics and principles of operation The vNet Service Endpoints for the Azure SQL Database let you isolate the logical Microsoft SQL Servers in the cloud guaranteeing access only from one or more subnets that are defined in their own Azure Virtual Network This feature ensures that all traffic generated by own vNet to Azure SQL Database will always remain within the network backbone of Azure This is a feature available in all regions of Azure and there are no additional costs for using it Figure 1 Summary of architecture On the firewall of the Azure SQL Database remains the ability to enable communication from the Azure services and to filter access based on a range of Public IP address Figure 2 Azure SQL Server firewall settings By enabling the setting Allow access to Azure services you are granted to access to SQL Server from all public IP address of Azure and from all Azure subnets including those not of your own Going to apply additional filters based on the public IP is difficult to manage and require the configuration of static public IP addresses on the Azure resources With the introduction of Virtual Network vNet Service Endpoints for SQL Server you can have more control over potential communications and less effort for resource management The operating principle of the vNet Service Endpoints does not extend to the onpremises world even when there is connectivity with Azure VPN or ExpressRoute but to allow access from onpremises systems you must continue to use firewall rules to limit connectivity only to the public IP of your membership The Virtual Network vNet Service Endpoints are available with the same principle of operation also for Azure Storage and for Azure SQL Data Warehouse currently in preview How to configure Enabling vNet Service Endpoints require the activation on the subnet of the virtual network of Azure from which you plan to connect to SQL Server of the SQL Server Endpoint MicrosoftSQL Figure 3 Enabling SQL Server Service Endpoint on the subnet Figure 4 SQL Server Service Endpoint successfully enabled on the subnet Next you must add on the SQL Database side the virtual network with the Service Endpoint enabled in the section Firewall and virtual networks Figure 5 Added Virtual Network with Service Endpoints of SQL Server enabled Each Virtual Network Rule is applied to Azure SQL Database server level and not at the individual database level This configuration means that by connecting to DB hosted by the Azure SQL Server from a machine attested on a vNet with Service Endpoints enabled will be used as the source IP an address in the address space of the vNet This aspect has to be considered in existing configurations to avoid that when you enable SQL Server Service Endpoint on the subnet blocks access to SQL Server For this purpose it is possible to avoid it allowing temporarily access with the setting Allow access to Azure services or by defining the vNet in firewall rule of SQL Server before enabling the Service Endpoint on the subnet This requires using the flag IgnoreMissingServiceEndpoint or select the following flag present in the Azure portal Figure 6 Added Virtual Network without Service Endpoints of SQL Server enabled Conclusions The Virtual Network vNet Service Endpoints are able to expand the virtual networks of Azure and its identity to certain Azure services as Azure SQL Server through a direct connection This increases the security level of the services in the Microsoft cloud optimize routing to access resources from the Azure vNet and lessens the management effort all with a few easy steps This entry was posted in Microsoft Azure on March 28 2018 How to monitor network activities in Azure with Traffic Analytics OMS and System Center Whats New in March 2018 | [
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http://francetravelplanner.com/cost/euro.html | Home Maps Paris Where to Go What It Costs Best Itineraries Guided Tours Transportation When to Go Where to Stay Travel Details FAQ Regions of France Alps Alsace Basque Region Bordeaux Brittany Burgundy Champagne Côte d ' Azur ( Riviera ) Dordogne Loire Valley Monaco Normandy Paris Provence Pyrenées Rhône - Alpes The unit of currency in France is the euro , as in the other countries of the European Union ( except the UK , which uses pounds sterling ) . Most commercial transactions in France — shopping , transport , lodging , etc . — are performed using debit or credit cards , not cash . You can even pay for a cup of coffee , an hour ' s parking , or vegetables in an open - air market quickly and easily with your chip - and - PIN card , so cash is really a fallback option . In any case , you need to know about euro cash Euro Notes / Bills Bills / notes are in denominations of 5 , 10 , 20 , 50 , 100 , 200 and 500 euros . The current design series of euro notes is called the Europa series , of which 5 - , 10 - , 20 - and 50 - euro notes have been introduced , with the 100 - and 200 - euro notes to be introduced after 2018 . More . . . Experts say the 500 - euro note is often used to hide criminal activity , so in May 2016 the European Central Bank announced that after 2018 it will no longer issue 500 - euro notes . The large - denomination notes may remain in circulation , and will always retain their value , but you will see ever fewer of them . Because of counterfeiting , it can be difficult to have a business accept a large - denomination euro note , even with all its new security features . Even 200 - euro and 100 - euro notes may be questioned . It ' s best to use a credit or debit card , and 50 - euro or smaller notes . Euro Coins Coins are in denominations of 1 , 2 , 5 , 10 , 20 and 50 centimes , and 1 and 2 euros . They are of standard size , shape , weight and metal , but the graphic design varies from country to country . You may find euro coins from many other European nations in your pocket or purse when you travel in France . How to Obtain Euros Before exchanging money , you need to know how currency exchange works and how to avoid ripoffs , which are common . More . . . Visitors to France have three options for obtaining euros : Your Home Bank Card If your home ATM / cash - machine bank card is chip - and - PIN , you may be able to use it easily for most purchases in France . If not , you can use it to withdraw euros from French distributeurs des billets ( ATMs / cashpoints ) or Retrait ( cash witdrawal ) . Check with your bank to see if this will work without problems . Credit & Debit Cards Use a credit card , widely used in France , but only if it is a credit card with a computer chip in it ( carte à puce ) The USA is making ( belatedly ) the transition to chip cards . Check with your bank to assure that your card is a chip - and - PIN ( preferable ) or chip - and - signature card . Businesses in France may not accept the older credit cards with only a magnetic stripe on the back . Bureaux de Change Exchange your home currency ( dollars , pounds , yen , etc . ) for euros at a bureau de change ( currency exchange office ) . Exchange rate spreads , commissions and service fees in France can take as much as 10 % of your money for each exchange , so currency exchange may not be the thrifty option . Count Your Change ! A good tip in Paris or anywhere : whenever you pay with cash , always count your change Euro Exchange Rates Smart Currency Exchange Computer Chip Credit Cards Travel Costs in Paris Money - Saving Tips Paris Métro & Bus Tickets Shopping in Paris Saving Money in Paris Paris Laundromats You can use a bank debit or credit card to obtain euros , but only if it has a computer chip in it . | [
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http://francetravelplanner.com/go/paris/shop/costs.html | Prices & Costs in Paris , France All of France Paris Maps Planning Your Time Finding Your Way Airport Transportation All Paris Transportation Where to Stay What to See & Do Paris Restaurants Paris for Kids Paris Shopping Travel Details FAQ Excursions from Paris Chartres Disneyland Paris Fontainebleau Giverny Loire Valley Versailles Regions of France Avenue des Champs - Élysées at Christmastime , Paris It ' s possible for two people to visit for a few days , stay in a nice hotel , have three good meals each day , and spend less than 100 € per person per day , total — even less if you rent an apartment , or just a bed . It ' s somewhat easier to stay in a nice hotel if you ' re willing to spend 150 € per person , particularly in busy tourist seasons If you stay for a few days , a week or two , you can rent a small apartment , get more convenience and space , save by preparing some of your own meals , perhaps share your lodging costs with friends , and lower your daily cost for lodging and food to as little as 70 € to 80 € per person per day . ( Try that in Singapore , New York , London or Tokyo ! ) Euro for euro offers excellent value for money . Click on any euro price to convert it to another currency . LODGING Euros 2 - Star Hotel , double room , Paris center 100 - 175 3 - Star Hotel , double room , Paris center 150 - 250 + 4 - Star , double room , Paris center 400 - 600 + Studio apartment , per night ( by week ) 80 - 140 1 - br apartment , per night ( weekly rental ) 100 - 200 2 - br , per night ( weekly rental ) 150 - 300 FOOD & DRINK Croissant bought in a bakery 1.10 Croissant in a café 1.70 - 2.20 Café noir ( espresso ) in a café 2.60 Café au lait in a café 3 - 6 Soft drink in a café 3.50 - 5.50 Glass of wine ( 14 cl ) in a café 4 - 6 + Bottle of wine in a shop 2.50 - 20 + Carafe of wine ( 50cl ) in a restaurant 8 - 20 Bottle of wine in a restaurant 12 - 30 + Glass of draft beer ( 25 cl ) in a café 4 - 6 Sandwich ( take - away ) 3.50 - 6.00 Light lunch in a café 8 - 18 Budget dinner with wine 17 - 25 Moderate dinner with wine 25 - 55 TRANSPORT Roissy Bus CDG Airport to Paris Center 12 RER + Métro ticket , CDG ( Charles de Gaulle ) Airport to Paris City Center ( one - way ) 10.30 Private transfer CDG Airport to Paris Center ( 35km , daytime , 1 to 2 persons ) 56 - 90 Taxi from CDG Airport to Paris Center ( 35km , daytime , 2 persons ) 50 - 65 RER Train Versailles ( round - trip ) 7.30 Métro / bus ticket ( from carnet of ten ) 1.49 Taxi between Étoile and St - Germain ( 4.3 km , daytime , two people , no luggage ) 12 - 18 ACTIVITIES Eiffel Tower , Adult , 1st level - 2nd level ) 7 - 11 Eiffel Tower , Adult , all levels to Top 17 Notre Dame Cathedral Free Notre Dame Towers 10 Arc de Triomphe ( 284 stairs to top ) 12 Louvre Museum 17 Cruise on the River Seine ( 1 hour ) 14 - 16 LAUNDRY Wash & Dry 6kg of clothes in a Laverie 7 - 10 Saving Money in Paris Saving Money on Lodging Saving Money on Meals Saving Money on Activities Saving Money on Transport Electrical Outlets & Wifi Washing Laundry in Paris Finding Your Way Around Paris Above , typical formule ( set - price meal ) for a two course lunch in a moderately - priced restaurant . And remember : tax & service ( tip ) are included ! Notre - Dame : free admission ! | [
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http://franchises.about.com/od/franchiseglossary/g/royalty-fee.htm | Franchises Basics Understanding Franchise Payments and Royalty Fees • • • By Michael Seid , Managing Director , MSA Worldwide Updated February 28 , 2019 A royalty fee is an ongoing fee that the franchisee pays to the franchisor . This fee is usually paid monthly or quarterly , and is typically calculated as a percentage of gross sales . Ongoing Membership Fees While the Initial Franchise Fee can be seen as the upfront cost to join as a “ member ” of the franchise system , the royalty payments can be seen as the ongoing “ membership fees ” required to remain that membership . These payments are collected by the franchisor to fund the franchisor entity ’ s actions , which include both corporate and franchise - related expenses . The ongoing royalty payments are how the franchisor makes its money , which it uses to support its franchisees and further build the business . Generally , all the support provided by the franchisor through its field consultants , marketing plans , business strategies , etc . , are funded through the royalty payments provided by the franchisees . Additionally , all the administrative costs of running the franchisor ’ s headquarters and staff are funded from the royalty payments . Lastly , the franchisor ’ s efforts to further expand and develop the brand through recruiting and bringing in new franchisees to the system is funded by royalties . How Royalty Fees are Calculated There are a number of ways that franchisors establish what their ongoing royalty fee will be . The most common is a percentage of the Gross Sales that the franchisee earns . Typically this ranges from between five and nine percent . So , essentially , the franchisee is taking in 91 - 95 % of their gross sales with the rest going to the franchisor . Gross Sales is the amount of revenues from the sale of services , goods , and any other products or merchandise by the franchisee , and is not reduced by any discounts given to employees or family members , In most franchise systems this percentage is fixed , but it can be also be an increasing or decreasing percentage depending on the level of sales . Some franchisors require a minimum royalty payment for each period , whether by a percentage or by a set dollar amount . There are also franchisors that determine the royalty amount as a set dollar amount based on different sales thresholds . Further , some franchisors do n ’ t require any ongoing royalty payment at all . Properly Determining Royalty Payments The most successful franchisors will take great care in determining what their required royalty payments will be , whereas some franchisors will just use whatever their competitors are requiring , or just pick a number with little to no basis for it . Ideally , the franchisor will set the royalty amount at a level that will allow the franchisee to take home a healthy enough profit , after all expenses , such that the business will be able to succeed both initially and ongoing . Different industries and revenue models lead those industries to specific strategies for setting royalty amounts . There is no one way that is required , so franchisors can get as creative as they ’ d like . Continue Reading + | [
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http://franklincountyga.gov/ | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 News & Notices PRESS RELEASE The Franklin County Planning Department will be holding a series of two different planning focused public informational meetings where the residents of Franklin County can learn about the current Zoning Regulations , building ordinances , and proposed inspection program . Where : Franklin County Justice Center 7085 Highway 145 Carnesville , GA 30521 When : Thursday , April 11 , 2019 6 : 30 p.m . Thursday , April 18 , 2019 6 : 30 p.m . After careful review and consideration , the Franklin County Planning Commission recommended to the Franklin County Board of Commissioners the implementation of an Inspections Program to enforce the International Building Codes as prescribed by the International Code Council , mandated by and amended by the State of Georgia . The recommendation outlined the key points regarding the service delivery method , contract arrangement , scope of services , and implementation guidelines . The informational meetings will provide an overview of the proposed inspection program under consideration by the Franklin County Board of Commissioners . The meeting will be facilitated by the Franklin County Planning Department staff and is intended to provide the citizens information regarding the current zoning regulations , building ordinances , and proposed inspection program . VOLUNTEERS NEEDED FOR BOARD APPOINTMENTS The Franklin County Board of Commissioners is seeking interested citizens with a desire to serve and volunteer their time for future openings on the following boards : Airport Authority , Department of Family and Children Services , Joint Development Authority and Avita . Applications received are kept on file for a one - year period and will be considered if board openings occur during this time . Applications can be downloaded from the link below or picked up from the Franklin County Board of Commissioners at 141 Athens Street , Carnesville , GA 30521 . For more information or questions contact the County Clerk at 706 - 384 - 2483 . Applications will be accepted through April 29 , 2019 or until filled . BOARD APPOINTMENT QUESTIONNAIRE GMRC REGIONAL PLAN SURVEY The Georgia Mountains Regional Commission ( GMRC ) serves a 13 county area in northeastern Georgia encompassing scenic landscapes with historic and rustic communities . Our region is rapidly evolving from a historic textile and agricultural - based economy to one based more on tourism , services , and goods distribution . As part of the process we ’ ve created a brief ( 10 - 15 minute ) online survey asking for your thoughts on select issues and priorities regarding any way you think the GMRC can better serve this region and our member governments . Your input will be used to help identify priorities for the region and in developing the future agenda for the GMRC . SPECIAL PURPOSE LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX ( SPLOST ) ANNUAL REPORTING Prior to December 31 of each year , Franklin County must publish a non - technical report in a local newspaper of general circulation and in a prominent location on the local government website related to the SPLOST expenditures for the current year . The Annual Reports for SPLOST IV and SPLOST V are presented separately in the links below . SPLOST IV ANNUAL REPORT SPLOST V ANNUAL REPORT CITY OF CARNESVILLE UPCOMING EVENTS : SPRING FLING 2019 APPLICATION In order to foster transparency The Franklin County Board of Commissioners has made the Franklin County Employee Handbook available to the public . Learn More | [
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http://franklincountypa.gov/index.php?section=voter-registration_registering | Registering to Vote What are the Qualifications to Vote ? In order to be eligible to register to vote , you must : Be a citizen of the United States for at least one ( 1 ) month before the next election Be a resident of Pennsylvania and your election district for at least thirty ( 30 ) days before the next election . Be at least eighteen ( 18 ) years of age on the day of the next election . If you are currently registered to vote , you do not have to do anything unless you have moved , or wish to change your name or political party affiliation . Qualifications for Voters at a Primary Election The qualification for a voter entitled to vote at a primary are the same as a voter entitled to vote at a general election , except that he or she must be registered in a major political party ( Democratic or Republican ) in order to take part in and vote in that party ' s primary . However , all registered voters are entitled to vote on questions placed on the ballot or at a special election held concurrently with a primary . How do I Register to Vote ? 1 . Register to Vote Online 2 . Register to Vote in Person : You can register in person at the Franklin County Voter Registration Office which is located in the Old Courthouse on Memorial Square , Chambersburg , PA 17201 from 8 : 30 a.m. to 4 : 30 p.m. - Monday through Friday . 3 . Register to Vote by Mail : Obtain a state or federal voter mail application from a candidate , political party and other Federal , State and municipal offices . You may also request one from the Department of State ' s website at http : / / www . votespa . com Download a voter registration application from this website . Print , complete , sign and deliver to your County Voter Registration Office my mail or in person . 4 . Register to Vote at PennDOT : Apply at the Department of Transportation photo license center when you obtain or update your driver ' s license . 5 . Register to Vote at Government Agencies : You can also register to vote at many other state government offices , including : State offices that provide public assistance and services to persons with disabilities . Armed Forces Recruitment Centers County ' s Clerk of Court ' s office Area Agencies on Aging and County Mental Health / Mental Retardation offices Centers for Independent Living What is the Deadline to Register to Vote ? In accordance with the Pennsylvania Voter Registration Act , the deadline for voter registration is thirty ( 30 ) days prior to each election , with the following exceptions : Mail applications postmarked no later than the deadline to register must be processed . If the postmark is illegible , applications must be processed when received no later than five ( 5 ) days after the deadline . If the application is submitted from the Department of Transportation or agencies designated for registration before the deadline to register prior to the election , the proper voter registration commission must process the aplication . Voter registration reopens the day following any primary or election . Important : To vote in primary elections , a voter would need to be registered with either the Democrat or Republican party . The only exception to this rule is if there would be a constitutional amendment or ballot question on the ballot which would be able to be voted on by all registered voters . Once the registration application is processed , each voter will receive a voter registration card in the mail which will notate the location of the their polling place . Change of Party , Name and / or Address A voter may change their party affiliation , name and / or address at any of the above - listed locations . The dates to make changes to your voter registration are the same dates as to register to vote . | [
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http://frankshospitalworkshop.com/electronics/training_course_diode.html | Diodes A diode is a semiconductor device which conducts only in one direction . This effect is used for rectification when the positive part of an AC - signal can pass while a negative part is blocked . A diode has two different terminals . The positive electrode is called anode and a negative cathode . The cathode is always clearly marked on the body of the diode as a ring . The function of all this diodes is the same . The differences are the maximum operating voltages and the maximum currents . On electronic boards and in circuit diagrams diodes are often marked with a D . Different sizes means different operating voltages and / or different currents . Symbols The symbol expresses the one way function of the diode . The arrow in the diagram shows the direction of the current flow . Current can only flow in one direction : From Anode to Cathode - in the direction of the arrow . Types As all electronic devices also diodes have losses while working . But compare to resistors the voltage drop across the diode does not depends on the resistance and the current . The voltage drop over a diode is fixed . It is always 0.7 V , no matter which current flows . ( Some people say it is 0.6V ) . The voltage drop across a diode always is 0.7 V . Applications In electronics the one - way character is very often used . DC voltages can be blocked or added and AC voltages are rectified . But also the fact that the voltage drop is always the same and stable can be used as a reference voltage in stabilizer circuits and in measurement stages . When the current only goes in one direction ( from anode to cathode ) and the voltage drop across the diode is always 0.7V ( or 0.6V ) , then the voltage at the anode has to be about 0.6V higher than at the cathode . We say the diode is in forward bias . Forward biased . The voltage at anode is more positive than at the cathode . The voltage drop is 0.6V . When the voltage at anode is smaller than at cathode the diode blocks . No current flows through the diode . The voltage at cathode comes from another source but not through the diode . The diode is in reverse bias . Reverse biased . The voltage at anode is more negative than at the cathode . A current can not flow through the diode . The voltage at cathode comes from another source . Diode in forward direction . The bulb glows . The voltage across the bulb is 11.3V because the voltage drop across the diode is 0.7V . Diode in reverse direction . No current flows . The bulb does not glow . The bulb glows when a voltage from the battery or from the external power supply is available . When both are applied the current flows from the power supply because the voltage is slightly higher ( 12V ) , than from the battery ( 12V - 0.7V = 11.3V ) . The diode also prevents the battery by destroying from the external voltage . In this case the diode works in reverse direction . The sine wave of the AC input signal is cut . Only the positive part passes through the diode . More information under Power Supplies A reverse polarity protection . The current only flows when the polarity of the battery is correct . Advantage : No fuse will get triggered Disadvantage : 0.7V voltage loss , the maximum current has to be respected . An other reverse polarity protection . When polarity is correct the diode has no influence . Is the polarity in reverse , a short circuit current flows and blows the fuse . Advantage : No voltage loss , operating current must no be respected . Disadvantage : Fuse will be destroyed and has to be exchanged in case of wrong polarity . Testing A diode does not have a certain ohmic resistance , because the voltage drop is fixed and independent from the current . The measurement result of the ohmmeter depends more on the ohmmeter itself than on the diode . Do not use the ohmmeter range of your multimeter . Use always the special diode - range . How ever , the value in the display is not important . The multimeter is only used to test if the diode has conduction or not . Multimeter in Diode - range . Plus - lead to anode . Current flows . The display shows a value . Plus - lead to cathode . Now current must not flow . The display shows open circuit . The diode is OK . As always when working with an ohmmeter on a board , a correct measurement result you only get after disconnection of at least one diode lead from the rest of the circuit . Under power the diode can be checked by measuring the voltage drop . The voltage at anode has to be 0.7V higher than at cathode . Is the voltage the same the diode has a short . In operation the voltage drop is 0.7V . ( Anode to cathode ) Thus the voltage at cathode is 0.7V lower than at anode . Troubleshooting In practice defective diodes always have a short . In theory it is possible that a diode first gets a short and then it bursts because of the much higher current and becomes high - resistance . But in practice a fuse is triggered or a resistor is burned before that happens . Under power a diode not only creates a voltage drop of 0.7V but also can separate two different voltages . A voltage at cathode must not necessarily be the voltage coming from the anode . It also may come from another voltage source . In general , is the voltage at the cathode higher than at anode , the voltage comes from anywhere else and the diode keeps the voltages separate . The diode is OK . As always in electronics heat is a big problem . Diodes get overheated and / or create cold soldering points . Check all solder points of the board carefully and resolder the joints in case of a doubt . When a diode is defective choose a bigger type if possible . List of common diodes Diodes differ in their maximum operating voltage and their maximum allowed current . Types reaches from a few mA ( 1N914 ) to several Amps ( BY550 ) . Here some common diodes and their specifications : Type Voltage ( maximum ) Current ( maximum ) 1N914 100 V 75 mA 1N4148 75 V 200 mA 1N4001 50 V 1 A 1N4002 100 V 1 A 1N4003 200 V 1N4004 400 V 1N4005 600 V 1N4006 800 V 1N4007 1000 V 1N5400 50 V 3 A 1N5401 3 A 1N5402 200 V 1N5404 400 V 1N5406 600 V 1N5407 800 V 1N5408 1000 V BY 133 1300 V BY 255 1300 V BY550 - 400 5 A Prices Diodes are very cheap and standard types should not be missing in every workshop . Here are the typical prices for diodes and rectifiers in Europe : 1N4148 0.02 € 1N4007 0.02 € 1N5408 0.06 € Links and sources Wikipedia : Diode frankshospitalworkshop : Data sheets | [
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http://franksinternational.com/our-company/management/ | CULTURE How We Do Business History Industry Experience NEWS MEDIA Management Board of Directors Committee Composition Governance Compliance Ethics QHSE Management MICHAEL C KEARNEY Chairman President and Chief Executive Officer Mr Kearney currently serves as the Companys Chairman President and Chief Executive Officer a position he has held since September 2017 Mr Kearney has served as a member of the Supervisory Board since 2013 and has over 25 years of upstream energy executive and Board experience principally in the oil services sector Mr Kearney was appointed to the Supervisory Board in 2013 and was Lead Supervisory Director from May 2014 until December 31 2015 when he was named Chairman In addition he served on the Audit Committee from 2013 until 2017 and the Compensation Committee from 2014 until 2016 Mr Kearney previously served as President and Chief Executive Officer of DeepFlex Inc a privately held oil service company which was engaged in the manufacture of flexible composite pipe used in offshore oil and gas production from September 2009 until June 2013 and had served as the Chief Financial Officer of DeepFlex Inc from January 2008 until September 2009 Mr Kearney served as Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Tesco Corporation from October 2004 to January 2007 From 1998 until 2004 Mr Kearney served as the Chief Financial Officer and Vice PresidentAdministration of Hydril Company In addition to Updated November 2018 KYLE MCCLURE Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Mr McClure is the Companys Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer a position he has held since June 2017 He previously served as the Companys Senior Vice President of Finance and Treasurer since March 2015 with responsibility for global treasury insurance investor relations and financial planning and analysis In August 2016 he assumed additional responsibilities for finance leadership of the Western Hemisphere business In March 2017 he was appointed as the interim Chief Financial Officer in addition to his other duties Prior to joining Franks International Mr McClure served as treasurer for Ascend Performance Materials a specialty chemicals company from January 2013 to March 2015 where he was responsible for capital funding cash and liquidity management insurance credit and treasury operations and controls Mr McClures previous experience also includes serving as director of treasury and investor relations for Cooper Industries an electrical products manufacturer from December 2008 until its acquisition by Eaton Corp in December 2012 He also served in multiple financial roles of increasing leadership at Dell over a tenyear period including treasury corporate planning operations and sales finance support Updated June 2017 JOHN SYMINGTON Senior Vice President General Counsel Secretary and Chief Compliance Officer Mr Symington currently serves as the Companys Senior Vice President General Counsel Secretary and Chief Compliance Officer a position he has held since June 2018 Prior to joining Franks International Mr Symington was engaged in private law practice as Of Counsel to the firm of Selman Munson Lerner PC in Houston Texas from June 2015 through June 2018 Mr Symington previously served in several positions within the legal department of Seadrill Limited an offshore drilling contractor from September 2008 through May 2015 including serving as general counsel for Seadrill Management Limited from April 2013 through May 2015 While serving as Updated June 2018 STEVE RUSSELL President Tubular Running Services Mr Russell is the Companys President of Tubular Running Services a position he has held since June 2018 He previously served as the Companys Senior Vice President of Human Resources since May 2017 Prior to joining Franks International he served as the Vice President of Human Resources for Archer Ltd a global oil services company focused on drilling well services well integrity and decommissioning Prior to Archer Mr Russell held various management positions of increasing responsibility for over 20 years with Schlumberger He managed operations in Asia Pacific North Sea Russia and US Gulf of Mexico in addition to holding Updated June 2018 NIGEL LAKEY President Tubular and Drilling Technologies Mr Lakey currently serves as the Companys President Tubular and Drilling Technologies a position he has held since June 2018 Prior to joining Franks International he served as President and Chief Executive Officer of Reservoir Drilling Solutions Inc Reservoir Drilling Solutions a privately held drilling completions and production technology business since founding Reservoir Drilling Solutions in October 2013 until June 2018 Additionally Mr Lakey currently serves as a Director and Chief Executive Officer of Fratex Incorporated a privately held company active in the development and commercialization of intellectual property associated with drilling completion and reservoir exploitation technology a role he Updated June 2018 SCOTT A MCCURDY President Blackhawk Specialty Tools Mr McCurdy currently serves as President of the Blackhawk Specialty Tools division of the Company a position he has held since November 2016 He previously served as Chief Financial Officer of Blackhawk from June 2011 through November 2016 Prior to joining Blackhawk Mr McCurdy served as Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Geokinetics Inc NYSE AMEX GOK and Vice President of Finance and Chief Financial Officer for Grant Geophysical Inc He has over 17 years of oilfield experience and began his career with a Big Five international public accounting firm focused on oilfield service clients Mr McCurdy earned Updated June 2018 CLIFF ROBERTS CSP Vice President Global QHSE Cliff Roberts has served as the Companys Vice President of Global QHSE since February 2018 He manages monitors and promotes all aspects of the QHSE Integrated Management System including developing and applying procedures and systems designed to enhance service quality support incident prevention and keep employees free from harm Mr Roberts joined Franks International in 2004 and has held multiple quality and HSE leadership positions during his tenure Prior to joining Franks he served for 17 years at Petroleum Helicopters Inc PHI during which time he held key management positions in HSE working closely with QAQC Mr Roberts has nearly three decades of experience in the oil and gas industry and maintains a Certified Safety Professional CSP designation a degree in Occupational Safety and Health Technology and a certification in Executive Safety Management Mr Roberts expertise includes risk management and loss control incident management taproot investigations systems auditing Six Sigma and process safety and he also holds an aviation airframe and power plant AP license Updated June 2018 NATALIE QUESTELL Vice President Human Resources Natalie Questell currently serves as the Vice President of Human Resources for Franks International a position she has held since June 2018 She previously served as the Companys Director of Global Total Rewards and HRIS overseeing global compensation and benefit strategy equity programs payroll HRIS global mobility programs and other related functions since 2015 Mrs Questell has more than 15 years of experience working with global benefit plans and talent management at various companies including Transocean Sysco and Chevron Mrs Questell earned a BA in Spanish and International Business from St Edwards University in Austin and a Master of Business Updated June 2018 | [
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http://franksreelreviews.com/shorttakes/tupac.htm | The Death of Tupac Shakur in Las Vegas Print Email by Frank Wilkins Timeline of Events 8 : 39pm : Mike Tyson knocks out Bruce Seldon at the MGM Grand Hotel , in Las Vegas 8 : 45pm : As Tupac Shakur leaves the MGM Grand , he gets into an altercation with a young black man believed to be Orlando Anderson , member of a rival gang , The Southside Crips . MGM security video catches the incident on tape . The fight is stopped by security . A man involved in the fight with Shakur is held for questioning and then let go . The police never got the man ' s name . 8 : 55pm : The Death Row entourage leaves the MGM Grand and stops by the Luxor Hotel on the Las Vegas Strip for reasons not known , then proceeds to Suge Knight ' s house southeast of downtown . Time Unknown : The 10 - can Death Row entourage leaves the mansion en route to Knight ' s Club 662 , located about 10 blocks east of the Las Vegas Strip at 1700 E . Flamingo Road . Tupac Shakur and Knight ride in his black BMW 750 . Approx . 10 : 55pm : Tupac Shakur rolls down the passenger side window to allow someone to take the above photo at a red light . Approx . 11 : 10pm : The BMW is stopped by bicycle police on the Las Vegas strip for not having a license plate on the car ( the plates are in the trunk ) and for playing music too loud . No ticket is issued . Photo used with permission from The Killing of Tupac Shakur by © Cathy Scott Approx . 11 : 15pm : On Flamingo Road , near the intersection of Koval Lane , a white 4 - door cadillac with California plates rolls up to the passenger side of the BMW . According to one witness , two men got out of the Cadillac and fire 13 rounds from a Glock .40 caliber handgun at the BMW from less than 13 feet away . Tupac Shakur , sitting in the passenger side of the car , is hit three times , one striking his hip , another his right hand , with the fatal wound to his chest . According to the 11 : 16pm : Knight makes a U - turn on Flamingo , races west to Las Vegas Boulevard , makes a left turn . After encountering heavy traffic on the strip Knight ' s car hits the median blowing out a third tire and comes to a stop near the intersection of Harmon Avenue . 11 : 16 - 11 : 20pm : Up to 20 police officers arrive at the scene Approx . 11 : 30pm : An ambulance arrives and whisks Tupac Shakur and Knight to University Medical Center . As Tupac is being removed from the vehicle he repeats , " I ca n ' t breathe , I ca n ' t breathe . " September 13 , 1996 ; 4 : 03pm : Tupac Shakur dies from his wounds six days after being placed into a medically induced coma . The Witnesses One of Tupac Shakur ' s backup rappers who witnessed the fatal shooting of the hip - hop star was gunned down in a New Jersey housing project days after tupac was shot . So far , police are saying that the slaying of 19 - year - old Yafeu Fula has no connection with Tupac ' s death But Fula ' s death will further stymie the slow - moving murder investigation . " It ' s another dead end for us , " said Las Vegas police Sgt . Kevin Manning , the lead investigator Police found Fula at 3 : 48 a.m. Sunday in a housing project . He was shot once in the head and was pronounced dead later that afternoon at a nearby hospital Two suspects , both juveniles , were arrested and are being questioned by Orange police . " As far as we know , at this time , there is no connection " to Shakur , said Capt . Richard Conte Fula , a member of Yupac Shakur ' s backing group Outlaw Immortalz , was riding with bodyguards in the car behind Shakur when the rapper was shot by unknown assailants returning from the Tyson - Bruce fight September 7 in Las Vegas . Police questioned Fula after the drive - by , but , like others in the Death Row Records entourage , he subsequently refused to cooperate with police . The one bright spot in an otherwise dire news week at Death Row came courtesy of Shakur ' s posthumous album , The Don Killuminati - - The 7 Day Theory . Recorded under the alias Makaveli , the collection entered the charts at No . 1 , with incredibly strong sales of 664,000 copies . If you are a really sick and warped individual , you can view Tupac ' s autopsy photo . Be forewarned though , it is extremely graphic ! Do not click if you are easily grossed out ! You ' ve been warned . . . . tupac autopsy photo CASE UPDATE : Based on new evidence - which has not been made public - a task force consisting of local Los Angeles and national law enforcement officials has recently begun re - investigating the murder of rap artist Christopher Wallace ( a.k.a. Biggie , Biggie Smalls , Notorious B.I.G. ) more than a decade after he was gunned down on the streets in Los Angeles . Biggie , from the bedford - Stuyvesant area of Brooklyn took 4 bullets to the chest as he was leaving a Soul Train Awards afterparty . he was later pronounced dead after not responding to treatment at L.A. ' s Cedars - Sinai Hospital . In the 13 years since his death , there have been many rumors speculating on the identity and motive of Biggie ' s killer , with the most widely accepting being that the shooting was a retaliation for the murder of Death Row Records founder and rapper Tupac Shakur who was shot in 1996 on the streets of Las Vegas . Former LAPD detective Russell Poole , who was involved in the 1997 investigation , maintains the belief that Wallace ' s murder was ordered by Death Row Records ' co - founder and former CEO , Marion " Suge Despite the long running imbroglio between Wallace and Tupac during the height of the East Coast - West Coast feud , the rappers ' mothers , Voletta Wallace and Afeni Shakur , have denounced the culture of violence that took their sons . The couple joined voices to speak out against violence during a memorable MTV Video Awards presentation back in 1999 . Voletta Wallace told AllHipHop , " All I want , all I ever wanted , is justice for my son ' s death . All I ever wanted was the truth . And that ' s not asking too much . " Stay tuned as we ' re likely to hear more on the results of the investigation in the coming months . Might the actual killers of both artists be revealed once the investigation is over ? Have additional information or do n ' t agree with something we said ? Read and post messages about Tupac Shakur in the The Death of Tupac Shakur Discussion Forum or More Tupac Shakur Stuff : Looking east on Flamingo Rd . approaching the Koval intersection . The BMW in which Tupac was riding would have been in the eastbound center lane , just to the right of the red car above . A Chrysler sedan would pull up to their left ( approx . location of the red car . ) The white cadillac ( with the gunmen ) would pull up to their right ( far right lane above ) . Another view of the Koval - Flamingo intersection where Tupac was shot in his car . Intersection of Las Vegas Blvd . ( The Strip ) and Harmon Ave , where Suge ' s car finally came to a rest with the wounded Tupac aboard . The Luxor Hotel Casino where Tupac Shakur was staying the night of his death . MGM Hotel and Casino where Tupac and Suge attended the Mike Tyson Bruce Seldon fight . Video still of Orlando Anderson from the MGM Grand video cameras . Believed to be the man attacked by Tupac ' s posse in the MGM lobby . Club 662 . Owned by Suge Knight and located at 1700 East Flamingo Road . Tupac was riding in Knight ' s car as the pair was heading here to perform with the rap group Run DMC . Mike Tyson was reportedly to drop in after the fight as well . University Medical Center where Knight and Tupac were rushed after being shot . Tupac died here six days later . Surveillance video footage of South Side Crips ( SSC ) gang member , Orlando Anderson being beaten in the MGM Grand Hotel ( Vegas ) by Tupac Shakur , Suge Knight and their thug entourage . Later that evening , Tupac and Suge would take bullets while driving down Flamingo Road . No arrests were ever made in the killing . back to top Joomla SEF URLs by Artio | [
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http://franticfoodie.com/how-long-to-cook-stuffed-pork-chops/ | Previous Next How Long to Cook Stuffed Pork Chops The amount of timed consumed in cooking stuffed pork chops depends on the method of cooking . However , baking or grilling stuffed pork chops at 350 degrees will take you 30 - 60 minutes to bake . Baking and grilling stuffed pork chops will you save you time from cooking without sacrificing its flavor . Also , this allows you to serve it up for a homey , cozy , and flavorful dinner without doing plenty of kitchen work . Stuffed pork chops are made with pork chops that are almost 2 inches thick . When looking for pork chops to bake , look for chops that are already secured with toothpicks or twines to keep the stuffing intact . Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available . Click here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video . Baking Stuffed Pork Chops 1 . Preheat the oven to 350 degrees . Also , browning can help add deep flavor to the meat . If you prefer to brown the chops first , preheat a pan or skillet until the oil begins to shimmer . Make sure to brown the pork chops on both sides . Make sure not to lose the stuffing of the chops when you flip them . 2 . Get an oven safe baking sheet , wrap it with aluminum foil . You can also use a baking dish , but make sure to rub it with non - sticky grease . 3 . Place the stuffy pork chops on the baking sheet or baking dish . 4 . Bake the pork chops . Put the meat inside the oven uncovered and then leave it for about 30 - 60 minutes . After 30 minutes , get a meat thermometer and insert it in the meat . The thermometer must read 165 degrees , and that ’ s a sign that the meat is cooked . 5 . Remove the cooked stuffed pork chop from the oven and place in a serving platter or chopping board for preparation . Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available . Click here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video . Grilling Stuffed Pork Chops Another way to cook stuffed pork chops is grilling . Grilling stuffed pork chops is a fun way to prepare your food . On top of all , it will only take you 40 - 60 minutes from preparation until serving the dish . 1 . Turn on the grill and preheat it to medium high heat . You can also preheat it to medium heat , but it ’ s better if you start cooking if the grill is at medium high heat . At the same time , line or wrap the grate with aluminum foil so that you can grill the stuffed pork chops with indirect heat . Make sure to rub the foil with non - stick cooking spray or oil , so that the chops will not stick on it . 2 . While preheating the grill , prepare your stuffed pork chops . Add salt and black pepper , plus any seasoning of your choice . Place the chops on the grate leaving enough room from one another , and then close the grill ’ s lid . 3 . Leave the grill ’ s lid closed for about 30 minutes or until the pork chops reaches 145 degrees at the center . You can determine the temperature of the meat by inserting a meat thermometer in it . 4 . When cooked , take the stuffed pork chops out of the grill , and then allow it to cool down for 3 minutes before serving . Regardless of the cooking method you choose , you need to be aware of the temperature and the cooking time to make the dish not just delicious , but also safe to eat . Comments are closed . | [
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http://frasier.wikia.com/wiki/Blaine_Sternin | in Characters Blaine Sternin Comments Blaine Sternin Occupation Con man Relationships Backstage Portrayed by Michael Keaton Only seen Wheels of Fortune Blaine Sternin is a guest character on NBC series Frasier He is portrayed by Michael Keaton Character Blaine is Lillith s halfbrother the black sheep of the family Lilith being the good one and has a sizeable substantiated reputation as a con artist Prior to his appearance in Frasier he had tricked money out of people in Maine using the alias Brad Cunningham in Louisiana as Royce Thibideaux and in Albuquerque New Mexico as Santana Del La Cruz He also sold forged autographs of famous people at one time a wheeze which ended when it was discovered that his Marie Curie and Sugar Ray Robinson signatures had the same handwriting He also fenced fake handicap plates Blaine appears to have conned Frasier several times he sold him a fake deed for a 50000acre kelp farm and once stole an antique salt server He was said to have once posed as Frasier for a year during which time he treated some of the latters patients Story Blaine is reunited with Frasier in a single onscreen appearance during which he claimed to have mended his ways He explained that he had been involved in a car accident while drinkdriving and was subsequently paralyzed from the waist down at the time he backed this up by demonstrating an apparent immunity to pain stabbing himself in the thigh with a brooch borrowed from Daphne He claimed to have had a religious experience which encouraged him to change his ways and stated that he needed donations including one thousand dollars in to cover hall rental costs for a Sunday session at a local hotel Fraiser refused to give him the money although later it is revealed that both Daphne and Niles did Frasier attempted to contact Dr Keigan Blaines supposed doctor in Laughlin Nevada who was unavailable at the time Later Frasier interrupted Blaines sermon trying to convince people of his true nature He pushed Blaine out of his wheelchair onto the stage in an attempt to expose his charade while Blaine lay on the stage apparently unable to move Frasier received a followup call from Dr Keigan who confirmed Blaines story Frasier performed an aboutface and in addition to helping Blaine back into his wheelchair and encouraging the audience to donate to his ministry also promised to match any donations Returning to Frasiers apartment Frasier gave Blaine the disputed salt server as a sign of good faith before the latter departed He then learned that Blaine had told Martin he had mopped in a soup kitchen read for bedridden war veterans and visited the Galapogos islands to rinse spill oil off birds all activities which a skeptical Frasier had previously suggested Blaine might use as evidence of his conversion Realizing that he had been fooled once more Frasier darted outside and was confronted with Blaines empty wheelchair Categories Characters | [
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http://freakonomics.com/2009/08/17/where-the-real-chinese-food-is-hidden/ | Where the Real Chinese Food Is Hidden August 17 , 2009 @ 10 : 04am by Freakonomics Jason Kuznicki at Positive Liberty offers some hypotheses as to why Chinese restaurants have “ secret menus ” that only Chinese people seem to know about . His top theory : American are used to Americanized Chinese food and would n ’ t like the real stuff , so Chinese restaurants continue serving the authentic food only to their Chinese customers . Tyler Cowen adds that , by hiding their authentic menus , Chinese restaurants may be trying to keep from attracting too many non - Chinese customers . [ % comments ] Tags : Food Richard B . August 17 , 2009 @ 2 : 56pm There is a similar issue here in Chicago with Thai restaurants . A foodie Thai - speaking friend described their reasons as : ( 1 ) They do n ' t think Americans will like the food on the secret menu . This is not a value judgment against Americans ; just business sense in wanting to sell their menu items . Of course they will prepare any dish that is familiar to them upon request , but most people do not know what to ask for , or even if they would like it . So there is a chicken and egg problem . Or a Kanom Buang Yuan problem . ( Order it ! ) ( 2 ) They do not have adequate menu translations . Most Thai menu listings ( and I understand Chinese ) do not adequately describe the dish to those who are not already familiar with it . So outside translation help is required to find an effective description of the dish for English speakers . This can be a costly and speculative undertaking for a business that really does not make a lot of money . Of course they would be thrilled if they can make a business of selling more authentic dishes , but there just does n ' t seem to be money in a marketing campaign selling these strange dishes with unfamiliar names . Read more . . . Sean August 17 , 2009 @ 2 : 57pm When I worked in a restaurant , there was the food out front , and the food we ate . Seeing the same thing everyday gets old and most of the time , the people who work there invent a floating menu that they eat from . While the regulars enjoyed typical mall fair we would invent new dishes from what we had . Often we would share with others in the mall . I am willing to be most of the people who order from the secret menu either worked in the industry or know that the staff gets tired of the same over seasoned American food . AC August 17 , 2009 @ 3 : 01pm More likely they want to avoid giving something * too * exotic to a white customer , freaking him out and generating bad press . jonathan August 17 , 2009 @ 3 : 03pm There ' s a crappy Thai restaurant near MIT . Someone noticed they have a Sichuan menu . Great . But then someone realized the awning has always said , in Chinese , authentic Sichuan food . One of my friends has a Cantonese restaurant and the name in Chinese is 100 % different than the English name . The cultural differences can run that deep . I was in FL , walked into a Chinese place , asked where they were from - Fuzhou , where a lot of immigrants come from - and then if they make any food from home . They said , " They do n ' t like that here . " I asked if they had any real food and we all pondered for a while . The only choice was dumplings . There ' s a huge unwillingness to believe Americans will or even can eat real Chinese food . Laolao August 17 , 2009 @ 3 : 11pm Maybe there are also two sets of prices , possibly lower ones for customers who are Chinese , and who get the ' secret ' menu written in Chinese . I remember years ago , a Chinese restaurant in Canada ( in the province of Quebec I think ) was brought to court for having two different menus . The main difference was in the prices . It was judged discriminatory . I ' ve seen it in China too . In large cities with a strong tourism industry , there are some restaurants offering one of two different menus to their customers ( in English or in Mandarin ) based on their origins . Dishes in the English menu , yes , can be different , possibly catered to the taste of Westerners ( usually less spicy ) , but prices are often much , much higher . . . Kieran August 17 , 2009 @ 3 : 24pm 1 . Ask the restaurant manager his reasons . Presuming that the reason is the top one above : 2 . Suggest that he translate the chinese menu into english and make it available for anyone asking for the " authentic menu " or " second menu " . This way he can serve the non - authentic eaters the food they want without offending them , and acquire a new customer base of authentic food enthusiasts who know what they are getting into . Brent Edwards August 17 , 2009 @ 3 : 37pm * looks confused * In the Bay Area , California the " secret menu " s are not at all hidden . They ' re written on paper , on the walls - in Chinese . If you can read them , you can order them . Eric Y August 17 , 2009 @ 3 : 54pm I do n ' t know about the latter comment Cowen made . To me , the two comments seem contradictory . For Chinese restaurant owners , like most other restaurant owners , the more money the better . It ' s practicality that rules the day . So much so that they are willing to compromise what they would cook , and cook what they believe mainstream America would like . econobiker August 17 , 2009 @ 4 : 06pm " by hiding their authentic menus , Chinese restaurants may be trying to keep from attracting too many non - Chinese customers . " This must pertain to ultra - small Chinese restaurants in ( presumed - by - its - residents - to - be - the - center - of - the - world ) New York City versus all - you - can - eat Chinese buffetts in the Southeastern USA . I can not see how any of the buffett operators would want to discourage non - Chinese from attending their restaurant . Doug Nelson August 17 , 2009 @ 4 : 29pm 1 ) In many Chinese restaurants , the menus are written so you can order from someone who does n ' t speak English ( numbers , big pictures , rigid choices , etc . ) . 2 ) Ordering offmenu is less profitable , so they might only allow it from preferred customers ( not necessarily just from Chinese customers , I have a non - Chinese friend who orders offmenu in virtually every restaurant , and gets it because he is very charming ) w August 17 , 2009 @ 4 : 33pm the local Chinese restaurant here does the same thing , but i have a friend who works there ( and isclose with the owner ) so i ' ve had a chance to try many of the authentic dishes . i ' m a very adventurous eater , but never found anything i would order over the americanized dishes . i agree with the idea that the proprietors are simply trying to sell people what they like ( i ' ve seen the same thing at mexican and thai restaurants as well ) . Justin James August 17 , 2009 @ 4 : 38pm @ 8 ( econobiker ) - Having moved from NJ ( where I only encountered 1 " all you can eat " place that I can recall ) to SC ( where " all you can eat " rules the roost ) , I can say a few things : 1 . The food quality at " all you can eat " is often wretched compared to individual dishes . * Even at the same restaurant . * 2 . Given the " buffet busters " I have met around here , I have a hard time beleiving that many restaurants can make more than a marginal living on the buffet . When someone is eating 4 , 5 , 6 plates of food , how much money can they make unless they serve absolute garbage food with minimal preparation ? Indeed , I am fairly certain that most buffets are really pre - frozen food heated at the store . There is simply too much uniformity in taste and offerings across different places to think otherwise . 3 . Buffet food , as a rule , is absolutely disgusting . The only way to cook food in those quantities at those prices is to use the lowest grade meats and vegatables , and to just cover it in grease and salt and get it cooked quickly . In other words , I would n ' t exactly call buffets a " good thing " . . . From what I can tell , buffets exist being the clientele demands them ; people prefer " all you can eat " to " the best you can eat " to the point where restaurants struggle to survive without them , even though the profit margin has got to be low . J . Ja Read more . . . Hunter Cruz August 17 , 2009 @ 4 : 46pm hiding menu items can also be good for the customers who do not know about the hidden menu . for example , take a * certain * korean restaurant serving dog meat . it is best those who do not understand these kinds of delicacy are kept in the dark . the dog eaters get to have their dog meal while the generic white restaurant - goer is kept in his blissful ignorance . less controversially , there are simply ethnic dishes that can safely be considered as non - attractive to the general population . rotten fish meat anyone ? Jacquilynne August 17 , 2009 @ 4 : 46pm One of the reasons I ' ve commonly seen cited is that it reduces problems with people who order things off the Chinese / secret / authentic / good menu , and then send them back because they do n ' t like them . Every ethnic restaurant owner has a few stories of people who insisted they absolutely wanted the spicy / offal / weird / authentic dish and then sent it back and insisted on not paying for it after they found out what it was . If you just give them the gwailo menu in the first vincent August 17 , 2009 @ 4 : 53pm I lived in America for 10 years . Typical American food has too much sugar . Authentic Chinese dishes have very subtle tastes or flavors because they do not have as much sugar . What restaurants do is adjust their recipes to please American customers . Kevin Jones August 17 , 2009 @ 5 : 10pm Does anybody know if this is true in the UK ( different menus ) ? It ' s certainly true that the dishes I can get in the UK are different to the US even if I order dishes with the same name . Thinking about it I also find that generally I ' m nearly always disappointed whenever I ' ve had Chinese food in the US . However the one place I did go when the food was outstanding was in Dana Point CA . Ca n ' t remember the name of the place but there ca n ' t be many Chinese restaurants there Quill August 17 , 2009 @ 5 : 20pm Authentic ingredients for Asian dishes tend to be much more expensive in the U.S. than in Asia . Also , in my experience , many Chinese restaurants are not run by actual Chinese people , but by Vietnamese , Cambodians or Mongolians . But that ' s just my experience . Tom August 17 , 2009 @ 5 : 21pm I mentioned it on the Cowen blog . . .hasn ' t anyone seen the episode of No Reservations where the Chinese restauranteur explains this to Tony Bourdain ? Its on the hidden spots of old New York City episode . Kent August 17 , 2009 @ 5 : 39pm As has been noted , the so - called " secret menu " has always been posted on the wall and inserted into the regular English menu . Anyone who can read Chinese would have been free to order from it . Yes , I know that this is hardly helpful to most American customers . As a Chinese , I understand the frustration of those who are open - minded and / or adventurous and want " the real thing . " ( Noted eater and writer Calvin Trillin has long expressed his frustration regarding the secret menu , albeit in a humorous way ) . The " secret " stuff is the really good stuff , in my opinion . But until the advent of such celebrity eaters and gourmands such as Anthony Bourdain , which is to say as recently as 10 years ago , most Caucasians I know , including those who would normally be considered cosmopolitan , open minded , and enthusiastic eaters , would be leery of what ' s on the " secret " menu unless I ( of Chinese descent ) was there to provide assurance . My impression is that there are three reasons the " secret menu " exists ; 1 ) To avoid scaring off unadventurous customers . A restauranteur wants his / her customers to feel relaxed , to have fun , because these are the type of customers who spend money . Put too many " what the heck ? ? ? " dishes on the menu , and suddenly these customers might tense up and decide to order fewer dishes because they wonder what they might be getting into . 2 ) Language issues . Not only is finding a good translator difficult and expensive , some of the dishes are difficult to describe in English . They incorporate ingredients ( vegetables , species of fish , etc . , for instance ) that not have English names that are commonly known . 3 ) Protecting the ego . Believe it or not , it ' s hurtful and / or offensive to most people of Chinese descent when a much loved dish is disparaged with comments like " Good lord ! " or " I ca n ' t believe you people eat that stuff " or " You people really will eat anything , wo n ' t you ? " or " Ewwww ! " I can easily see how a restaurant owner or manager would quickly decide , " You know what ? Forget it . Selling this dish There will probably be a response to the tune of " but things are different today , and there are a lot of adventurous eaters out there . " Well , the Zimmern and Chowhound crowd might be vocal , but I ' d say they ' re still in the minority . Every time I eat in a Chinese restaurant , I still hear that reaction from other customers , and they ' re usually just talking about a dish on the regular , English menu . My Caucasian friend , an obsessed fan of Chinese food , does report that if you are willing to take the time to ask for a " secret " dish by name , and convince your waiter / waitress that you love it , they will often agree to serve it to you , and make suggestions for new dishes to try that are n ' t listed in English . It helps if you can actually name the dish in Chinese ( bad accents are fine , so no worries ) instead of describing it as " that fish Ginni August 17 , 2009 @ 5 : 56pm Next time , look around and see what the Chinese / Thai / etc are eating and ask the waiter for the same thing . So long as you are courteous and nice about it , the restaurant is n ' t going to refuse to serve from the other menu . Older Comments » « Previous Post The Suburban Makeover Next Post » Bicycle Inflation in Paradise ? | [
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Your Perception of Time We learn how to be less impatient how to tell fake news from real and the simple trick that nurses used to make better predictions than doctors Journalist Manoush Zomorodi cohosts our realtime factchecker is the author and humorist AJ Jacobs 121518 5639 Freakonomics Radio Live Where Does Fear Live in the Brain Our cohost is comedian Christian Finnegan and we learn the difference between danger and fear the role of clouds in climate change and why and when politicians are bad at math Washington Post columnist Alexandra Petri is our realtime factchecker 121518 5520 361 Freakonomics Radio Live Jesus Could Have Been a Pigeon Our cohost is Grit author Angela Duckworth and we learn fascinating Freakonomical facts from a parade of guests For instance what we all get wrong about Darwin what an iPod has in common with the hell ant and how a memory athlete memorizes a deck of cards Mike Maughan is our realtime factchecker 121218 010026 360 Is the Protestant Work Ethic Real In the early 20th century Max Weber argued that Protestantism created wealth Finally there are data to prove if he was right All it took were some missionary experiments in the Philippines and a clever mapmatching trick that goes back to 16thcentury Germany 12518 4030 359 Should America Be Run by Trader Joes The quirky little grocery chain with California roots and German ownership has a lot to teach all of us about choice architecture efficiency frugality collaboration and team spirit 112818 4701 285 Theres a War on Sugar Is It Justified Rebroadcast Some people argue that sugar should be regulated like alcohol and tobacco on the grounds that its addictive and toxic How much sense does that make We hear from a regulatory advocate an evidencebased skeptic a former FDA commissioner and the organizers of Milktoberfest 112118 4706 358 Yes the Open Office Is Terrible But It Doesnt Have to Be It began as a postwar dream for a more collaborative and egalitarian workplace It has evolved into a nightmare of noise and discomfort Can the open office be saved or should we all just be working from home 111418 4032 357 Can an Industrial Giant Become a Tech Darling The Ford Motor Company is ditching its legacy sedans doubling down on trucks and trying to steer its stock price out of a long skid But CEO Jim Hackett has even bigger plans to turn a centuryold automaker into the nucleus of a transportation operating system Is Hackett just whistling past the graveyard or does he see what others cant 11718 5404 356 Americas Hidden Duopoly We all know our political system is broken but what if thats not true Some say the Republicans and Democrats constitute a wildly successful industry that has colluded to kill off competition stifle reform and drive the country apart So what are you going to do about it 103118 5415 Extra Elvis Costello Full Interview A conversation with the iconic singersongwriter recorded for the Freakonomics Radio series How to Be Creative 102718 11931 355 Where Does Creativity Come From and Why Do Schools Kill It Off Family environments and diversifying experiences including the early death of a parent intrinsic versus extrinsic motivations schools that value assessments but dont assess the things we value All these elements factor into the long mysterious march towards a creative life To learn more we examine the early years of Ai Weiwei Rosanne Cash Elvis Costello Maira Kalman Wynton Marsalis Jennifer Egan and others Ep 2 of the How to Be Creative series 102418 11318 Extra Jeremy Lin Full Interview A conversation with veteran NBA point guard Jeremy Lin recorded for the Freakonomics Radio series The Hidden Side of Sports 102018 4317 354 How to Be Creative There are thousands of books on the subject but what do we actually know about creativity In this new series we talk to the researchers who study it as well as artists inventors and pathbreakers who live it every day Ai Weiwei James Dyson Elvis Costello Jennifer Egan Rosanne Cash Wynton Marsalis Maira Kalman and more Ep 1 of the How to Be Creative series 101818 5232 353 How to Optimize Your Apology You said Im sorry but somehow you havent been forgiven Why Because youre doing it wrong A report from the front lines of apology science 101118 4916 352 Can This Man Stop a Trade War The World Trade Organization is the referee for 164 trading partners each with their own political and economic agendas Lately those agendas have gotten more complicated especially with President Trumps tariff blitz Roberto Azevêdo head of the WTO tells us why its so hard to balance protectionism and globalism whats really behind the loss of jobs and what hed say to Trump if he ever gets the chance 10418 4243 Extra Shawn Johnson Full Interview A conversation with 2008 Olympic gold medalist Shawn Johnson recorded for the Freakonomics Radio series The Hidden Side of Sports 10118 10716 351 Heres Why Youre Not an Elite Athlete There are a lot of factors that go into greatness many of which are not obvious A variety of Olympic and professional athletes tell us how they made it and what they sacrificed to get there And if you can identify the sport most likely to get a kid into a top college well then touché Ep 3 of The Hidden Side of Sports series 92718 10743 Extra Full Interviews With Jimmy Garoppolo Joe Staley Mike McGlinchey and Kyle Juszczyk Stephen Dubners conversations with members of the San Francisco 49ers offense recorded for Freakonomics Radio episode No 350 part of the Hidden Side of Sports series 92318 12011 350 How to Stop Being a Loser The San Francisco 49ers one of the most valuable sports franchises in the world also used to be one of the best But theyve been losing lately a lot and one of their players launched a controversy by taking a knee during the national anthem So why is everyone there so optimistic To find out we speak with the teams owner head coach general manager and star players including their new 1375 million quarterback Ep 2 of The Hidden Side of Sports series 92018 10048 349 How Sports Became Us Dollarwise the sports industry is surprisingly small about the same size as the cardboardbox industry So why does it make so much noise Because it reflects and often amplifies just about every political economic and social issue of the day Introducing a new series The Hidden Side of Sports 91318 5206 348 Is the Government More Entrepreneurial Than You Think We all know the standard story our economy would be more dynamic if only the government would get out of the way The economist Mariana Mazzucato says weve got that story backward She argues that the government by funding so much earlystage research is hugely responsible for big successes in tech pharma energy and more But the government also does a terrible job in claiming credit and more important getting a return on its investment 9618 3443 347 Why You Shouldnt Open a Restaurant Kenji LopezAlt became a rock star of the food world by bringing science into the kitchen in a way that everyday cooks can appreciate Then he dared to start his own restaurant and discovered problems that even science cant solve 83018 3717 346 Two Totally Opposite Ways to Save the Planet The environmentalists say were doomed if we dont drastically reduce consumption The technologists say that human ingenuity can solve just about any problem A debate thats been around for decades has become a shouting match Is anyone right 82318 5122 345 How to Be Happy The UNs World Happiness Report created to curtail our unhealthy obsession with GDP is dominated every year by the Nordic countries We head to Denmark to learn the secrets of this happiness epidemic and to see if we should steal them 81618 3730 344 Who Decides How Much a Life Is Worth After every mass shooting or terrorist attack victims and survivors receive a huge outpouring of support including a massive pool of compensation money How should that money be allocated We speak with the man whos done that job after many tragedies including 911 The hard part it turns out isnt attaching a dollar figure to each victim the hard part is acknowledging that dollars cant heal the pain 8918 3810 316 Update A Conversation With PepsiCo CEO Indra Nooyi One of the worlds biggest and bestknown companies just announced that its CEO would be stepping down in the fall We interviewed her as part of our series The Secret Life of a CEO and we thought you might like to hear that episode again or for the first time if you missed it back then 8718 4545 343 An Astronaut a Catalan and Two Linguists Walk Into a Bar In this live episode of Tell Me Something I Dont Know we learn why New York has skinny skyscrapers how to weaponize water and what astronauts talk about in space Joining Stephen J Dubner as cohost is the linguist John McWhorter Bari Weiss The New York Times is the realtime factchecker 8218 5336 342 Has Lance Armstrong Finally Come Clean He was once the most lionized athlete on the planet with seven straight Tour de France wins and a victory over cancer too Then the doping charges caught up with him When he finally confessed to Oprah he admits it didnt go well at all Thats because he wasnt actually contrite yet Now five years later he says he is Do you believe him 72618 5037 341 Why We Choke Under Pressure and How Not To It happens to just about everyone whether youre going for Olympic gold or giving a wedding toast We hear from psychologists economists and the golfer who some say committed the greatest choke of all time 71918 4438 340 People Arent Dumb The World Is Hard You wouldnt think you could win a Nobel Prize for showing that humans tend to make irrational decisions But thats what Richard Thaler has done The founder of behavioral economics describes his unlikely route to success his reputation for being lazy and his efforts to fix the world one nudge at a time 71218 5700 339 The Future of Freakonomics Radio After eight years and more than 300 episodes it was time to either 1 quit or 2 make the show bigger and better We voted for number 2 Heres a peek behind the curtain and a preview of what youll be hearing next 7418 3558 REBROADCAST In Praise of Incrementalism What do Renaissance painting civilrights movements and Olympic cycling have in common In each case huge breakthroughs came from taking tiny steps In a world where everyone is looking for the next moonshot we shouldnt ignore the power of incrementalism 62818 4916 REBROADCAST In Praise of Maintenance Has our cultures obsession with innovation led us to neglect the fact that things also need to be taken care of 62118 4212 338 How to Catch World Cup Fever For soccer fans its easy For the rest of us Not so much especially since the US team didnt qualify So heres what to watch for even if you have no team to root for Because the World Cup isnt just a gargantuan sporting event its a microcosm of human foibles and yep economic theory brought to life 61418 5639 337 How to Build a Smart City We are in the midst of a historic and wholly unpredicted rise in urbanization But its hard to retrofit old cities for the 21st century Enter Dan Doctoroff The man who helped modernize New York City and tried to bring the Olympics there is now CEO of a Googlefunded startup that is building from scratch the city of the future 6718 3903 REBROADCAST How Stupid Is Our Obsession With Lawns Nearly two percent of America is grassy green Sure lawns are beautiful and useful and they smell great But are the costs financial environmental and otherwise worth the benefits 53118 2856 336 The Most Vilified Industry in America Is Also the Most Charitable Pharmaceutical firms donate an enormous amount of their products and some cash too But it doesnt seem to be helping their reputation We ask Pfizers generosity chief why the company gives so much who it really helps and whether all this philanthropy is just corporate whitewashing 52418 3321 335 Does Doing Good Give You License to Be Bad Corporate Social Responsibility programs can attract better job applicants wholl work for less money But they also encourage employees to misbehave Dont laugh you too probably engage in moral licensing even if you dont know it 51718 3744 334 5 Psychology Terms Youre Probably Misusing We all like to throw around terms that describe human behavior bystander apathy and steep learning curve and hardwired Most of the time they dont actually mean what we think they mean But dont worry the experts are getting it wrong too 51018 5021 REBROADCAST Evolution Accelerated A breakthrough in genetic technology has given humans more power than ever to change nature It could help eliminate hunger and disease it could also lead to the sort of dystopia we used to only read about in scifi novels So what happens next 5318 3632 333 The Most Ambitious Thing Humans Have Ever Attempted Sure medical progress has been astounding But today the US spends more on healthcare than any other country with soso outcomes Atul Gawande cancer surgeon publichealth researcher and bestselling author has some simple ideas for treating a painfully complex system 42618 5153 332 Why the Trump Tax Cuts Are TerribleAwesome Part 2 Three former White House economists weigh in on the new tax bill A sample The overwhelming evidence is that the trickledown magicbeanstalk beans argument thats just nonsense 41918 4453 331 Why the Trump Tax Cuts Are AwesomeTerrible Part 1 Kevin Hassett chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers explains the thinking behind the controversial new Republican tax package and why its critics are wrong Next week well hear from the critics 41218 4521 330 Extra Ray Dalio Full Interview Stephen Dubners conversation with the founder and longtime CEO of Bridgewater Associates recorded for the Freakonomics Radio series The Secret Life of a CEO 4818 11802 329 The Invisible Paw Humans it has long been thought are the only animal to engage in economic activity But what if weve had it exactly backward 4418 4814 328 Extra Mark Zuckerberg Full Interview Stephen Dubners conversation with the Facebook founder and CEO recorded for the Freakonomics Radio series The Secret Life of a CEO 4118 4622 REBROADCAST Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Money But Were Afraid to Ask The bad news roughly 70 percent of Americans are financially illiterate The good news all the important stuff can fit on one index card Heres how to become your own financial superhero 32818 4443 327 Extra Carol Bartz Full Interview Stephen Dubners conversation with the former CEO of Yahoo recorded for the Freakonomics Radio series The Secret Life of a CEO 32518 5119 REBROADCAST The Stupidest Thing You Can Do With Your Money Its hard enough to save for a house tuition or retirement So why are we willing to pay big fees for subpar investment returns Enter the lowcost index fund The revolution will not be monetized 32218 4633 326 Extra Jack Welch Full Interview Stephen Dubners conversation with the former longtime CEO of General Electric recorded for the Freakonomics Radio series The Secret Life of a CEO 31818 5641 325 How to Train Your Dragon Child Every 12 years theres a spike in births among certain communities across the globe including the US Why Because the Year of the Dragon according to Chinese folk belief confers power fortune and more We look at what happens to Dragon babies when they grow up and why timing your kids birth based on the zodiac isnt as ridiculous it sounds 31518 3528 324 Extra Satya Nadella Full Interview Stephen Dubners conversation with the CEO of Microsoft recorded for the Freakonomics Radio series The Secret Life of a CEO 31118 4027 323 Heres Why All Your Projects Are Always Late and What to Do About It Whether its a giant infrastructure plan or a humble kitchen renovation itll inevitably take way too long and cost way too much Thats because you suffer from the planning fallacy You also have an optimism bias and a bad case of overconfidence But dont worry weve got the solution 3818 4109 322 Extra David Rubenstein Full Interview Stephen Dubners conversation with David Rubenstein cofounder of the Carlyle Group one of the most storied privateequity firms in history We spoke with Rubenstein for the Freakonomics Radio series The Secret Life of a CEO 3418 13036 REBROADCAST Does Early Education Come Way Too Late The gist in our collective zeal to reform schools and close the achievement gap we may have lost sight of where most learning really happens at home 3118 4629 321 Extra Richard Branson Full Interview Stephen Dubners conversation with the Virgin Group founder recorded for the Freakonomics Radio series The Secret Life of a CEO 22618 5513 320 Letting Go If youre a CEO there are a lot of ways to leave your job from abrupt firing to carefully planned succession which may still go spectacularly wrong In this final episode of our Secret Life of a CEO series we hear those stories and many more Also what happens when you no longer have a corner office to go to and how will you spend all that money 22218 4500 319 After the Glass Ceiling a Glass Cliff Only 5 percent of Fortune 500 companies are run by women Why Research shows that female executives are more likely to be put in charge of firms that are already in crisis Are they being set up to fail Part 5 of a special series The Secret Life of CEOs 21518 5218 318 Its Your Problem Now No its not your fault the economy crashed Or that consumer preferences changed Or that new technologies have blown apart your business model But if youre the CEO it is your problem So what are you going to do about it Firsthand stories of disaster and triumph from Mark Zuckerberg Steve Ballmer Satya Nadella Jack Welch Ellen Pao Richard Branson and more Part 4 of a special series The Secret Life of CEOs 2818 4400 317 What Can Uber Teach Us About the Gender Pay Gap The gig economy offers the ultimate flexibility to set your own hours Thats why economists thought it would help eliminate the gender pay gap A new study using data from over a million Uber drivers finds the story isnt so simple 2618 4227 316 I Wasnt Stupid Enough to Say This Could Be Done Overnight Indra Nooyi became CEO of PepsiCo just in time for a global financial meltdown She also had a portfolio full of junk food just as the world decided that junk food is borderline toxic Heres the story of how she overhauled that portfolio stared down activist investors and learned to leave the crown in the garage Part 3 of a special series The Secret Life of CEOs 2118 4757 315 How to Become a CEO Mark Zuckerbergs dentist dad was an early adopter of digital xrays Jack Welch blew the roof off a factory Carol Bartz was a Wisconsin farm girl who got into computers No two CEOs have the same origin story so we tell them all How the leaders of Facebook GE Yahoo PepsiCo Microsoft Virgin the Carlyle Group Reddit and Bridgewater Associates made it to the top Part 2 of a special series The Secret Life of CEOs 12518 4416 314 What Does a CEO Actually Do Theyre paid a fortune but for what exactly What makes a good CEO and how can you even tell Is leadership science a real thing or just airportbookstore mumbo jumbo We put these questions to Mark Zuckerberg Richard Branson Indra Nooyi Satya Nadella Jack Welch Ray Dalio Carol Bartz David Rubenstein and Ellen Pao Part 1 of a special series The Secret Life of CEOs 11818 3831 313 How to Be a Modern Democrat and Win Gina Raimondo the governor of tiny Rhode Island has taken on unions boosted big business and made friends with Republicans She is also one of just 15 Democratic governors in the country Would there be more of them if there were more like her 11118 3809 REBROADCAST Why Is My Life So Hard Most of us feel we face more headwinds and obstacles than everyone else which breeds resentment We also undervalue the tailwinds that help us which leaves us ungrateful and unhappy How can we avoid this trap 1418 3008 REBROADCAST Trust Me Societies where people trust one another are healthier and wealthier In the US and the UK and elsewhere social trust has been falling for decades in part because our populations are more diverse What can we do to fix it 122817 2957 REBROADCAST Make Me a Match Sure markets generally work well But for some transactions like school admissions and organ transplants money alone cant solve the problem Thats when you need a marketdesign wizard like Al Roth 122117 5249 312 Not Your Grandmothers IMF The International Monetary Fund has long been the lender of last resort for economies in crisis Christine Lagarde who runs the institution would like to prevent those crises from ever happening She tells us her plans 121417 3818 311 Why Is the LiveEvent Ticket Market So Screwed Up The public has almost no chance to buy good tickets to the best events Ticket brokers meanwhile make huge profits on the secondary markets Heres the story of how this market got so dysfunctional how it can be fixed and why it probably wont be 12717 4822 310 Are We Running Out of Ideas Economists have a hard time explaining why productivity growth has been shrinking One theory true innovation has gotten much harder and much more expensive So what should we do next 113017 3704 UPDATE Is America Ready for a NoLose Lottery Most people dont enjoy the simple boring act of putting money in a savings account But we do love to play the lottery So what if you combine the two creating a new kind of savings account with a lottery payout 112317 4513 309 Nurses to the Rescue They are the mosttrusted profession in America and with good reason They are critical to patient outcomes especially in primary care Could the growing army of nurse practitioners be an answer to the doctor shortage The data say yes but big surprise doctors associations say no 111617 5743 308 How Can I Do the Most Social Good With 100 And Other FREAKquently Asked Questions Dubner and his Freakonomics coauthor Steve Levitt answer your questions about crime traffic realestate agents the PhD glut and how to not get eaten by a bear 11917 4324 307 Thinking Is Expensive Whos Supposed to Pay for It Corporations and rich people donate billions to their favorite think tanks and foundations Should we be grateful for their generosity or suspicious of their motives 11217 3849 306 How to Launch a BehaviorChange Revolution Academic studies are nice and so are Nobel Prizes But to truly prove the value of a new idea you have to unleash it to the masses Thats what a dream team of social scientists is doing and we sat in as they drew up their game plan 102617 4440 305 The Demonization of Gluten Celiac disease is thought to affect roughly one percent of the population The good news it can be treated by quitting gluten The bad news many celiac patients havent been diagnosed The weird news millions of people without celiac disease have quit gluten which may be a big mistake 101917 4355 304 What Are the Secrets of the German Economy and Should We Steal Them Smart government policies good industrial relations and highend products have helped German manufacturing beat back the threats of globalization 101217 5703 REBROADCAST Time to Take Back the Toilet Public bathrooms are noisy poorly designed and often nonexistent What to do 10517 3145 303 Why Larry Summers Is the Economist Everyone Hates to Love Hes been US Treasury Secretary a chief economist for the Obama White House and the World Bank and president of Harvard Hes one of the most brilliant economists of his generation and perhaps the most irascible And he thinks the Trump Administration is wrong on just about everything 92817 5029 302 Why Learn Esperanto A language invented in the 19th century and meant to be universal it never really caught on So why does a group of Esperantists from around the world gather once a year to celebrate their bond 92617 3149 301 What Would Be the Best Universal Language Earth 20 Series We explore votes for English Indonesian and Esperanto The search for a common language goes back millennia but so much still gets lost in translation Will technology finally solve that 92117 4104 300 Why Dont We All Speak the Same Language Earth 20 Series There are 7000 languages spoken on Earth What are the costs and benefits of our modernday Tower of Babel 91417 4304 299 How Much Brain Damage Do I Have John Urschel was the only player in the NFL simultaneously getting a math PhD at MIT But after a new study came out linking football to brain damage he abruptly retired Heres the inside story and a look at how we make decisions in the face of risk versus uncertainty 9717 4704 REBROADCAST Bad Medicine Part 3 Death by Diagnosis By some estimates medical error is the thirdleading cause of death in the US How can that be And whats to be done Our third and final episode in this series offers some encouraging answers 83117 4720 REBROADCAST Bad Medicine Part 2 Drug Trials and Tribulations How do so many ineffective and even dangerous drugs make it to market One reason is that clinical trials are often run on dream patients who arent representative of a larger population On the other hand sometimes the only thing worse than being excluded from a drug trial is being included 82417 4535 REBROADCAST Bad Medicine Part 1 The Story of 986 We tend to think of medicine as a science but for most of human history it has been scientificish at best In the first episode of a threepart series we look at the grotesque mistakes produced by centuries of trialanderror and ask whether the new era of evidencebased medicine is the solution 81717 4402 REBROADCAST What Are You Waiting For Standing in line represents a particularly sloppy and frustrating way for supply and demand to meet Why havent we found a better way to get what we want Is it possible that we secretly enjoy waiting in line And might it even be gulp good for us 81017 3619 298 Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Money But Were Afraid to Ask The bad news roughly 70 percent of Americans are financially illiterate The good news all the important stuff can fit on one index card Heres how to become your own financial superhero 8317 4359 297 The Stupidest Thing You Can Do With Your Money Its hard enough to save for a house tuition or retirement So why are we willing to pay big fees for subpar investment returns Enter the lowcost index fund The revolution will not be monetized 72717 4800 296 These Shoes Are Killing Me The human foot is an evolutionary masterpiece far more functional than we give it credit for So why do we encase it in a coffin as one foot scholar calls it that stymies so much of its ability and may create more problems than it solves 72017 3914 295 When Helping Hurts Good intentions are nice but with so many resources poured into social programs wouldnt it be even nicer to know what actually works 71317 5125 294 The Fracking Boom a Baby Boom and the Retreat From Marriage Over 40 percent of US births are to unmarried mothers and the numbers are especially high among the lesseducated Why One argument is that the decline in good manufacturing jobs led to a decline in marriageable men Surely the fracking boom reversed that trend right 7617 4354 REBROADCAST The Harvard President Will See You Now How a painintheneck girl from rural Virginia came to run the most powerful university in the world 62917 3918 293 Why Hate the Koch Brothers Part 2 Charles Koch the megabillionaire CEO of Koch Industries and half of the infamous political machine sees himself as a classical liberal So why do most Democrats hate him so much In a rare series of interviews he explains his political awakening his management philosophy and why he supports legislation that goes against his selfinterest 62317 3858 292 Why Hate the Koch Brothers Part 1 Charles Koch the megabillionaire CEO of Koch Industries and half of the infamous political machine sees himself as a classical liberal So why do most Democrats hate him so much In a rare series of interviews he explains his political awakening his management philosophy and why he supports legislation that goes against his selfinterest 62217 4318 291 Evolution Accelerated A breakthrough in genetic technology has given humans more power than ever to change nature It could help eliminate hunger and disease it could also lead to the sort of dystopia we used to only read about in scifi novels So what happens next 61517 3540 290 Hes One of the Most Famous Political Operatives in America America Just Doesnt Know It Yet Steve Hilton was the man behind David Camerons push to remake British politics Things didnt work out so well there Now hes trying to launch a new political revolution from sunny California 6817 4216 289 How Stupid Is Our Obsession With Lawns Nearly two percent of America is grassy green Sure lawns are beautiful and useful and they smell great But are the costs financial environmental and otherwise worth the benefits 6117 2759 288 Are the Rich Really Less Generous Than the Poor A series of academic studies suggest that the wealthy are to put it bluntly selfish jerks Its an easy narrative to swallow but is it true A trio of economists set out to test the theory All it took was a Dutch postal workers uniform some envelopes stuffed with cash and a slight sense of the absurd 52517 4355 287 Hoopers Hoopers Hoopers As CEO of Microsoft Steve Ballmer was famous for overthetop enthusiasm Now hes brought that same passion to the NBA and to a pet project called USAFacts which performs a sort of fiscal colonoscopy on the American government 51817 3921 286 How Big is My Penis And Other Things We Ask Google On the Internet people say all kinds of things theyd never say aloud about sex and race about their true wants and fears Seth StephensDavidowitz has spent years parsing the data His conclusion our online searches are the reflection of our true selves In the real world everybody lies 51117 3401 REBROADCAST Food Science Victory A kitchen wizard and a nutrition detective talk about the perfect hamburger getting the most out of garlic and why you should use vodka in just about everything 5417 3643 285 Theres A War On Sugar Is It Justified Some people argue that sugar should be regulated like alcohol and tobacco on the grounds that its addictive and toxic How much sense does that make We hear from a regulatory advocate an evidencebased skeptic a former FDA commissioner and the organizers of Milktoberfest 42717 4536 284 Is Income Inequality Inevitable Earth 20 Series In pursuit of a more perfect economy we discuss the future of work the toxic remnants of colonization and whether giving everyone a basic income would be genius or maybe the worst idea ever 42017 4054 283 What Would Our Economy Look Like Earth 20 Series If we could reboot the planet and create new systems and institutions from scratch would they be any better than what weve blundered our way into through trial and error This is the first of a series of episodes that well release over several months We start with what else economics Youll hear from Nobel laureate Angus Deaton the povertyfighting superhero Jeff Sachs and many others 41317 4250 282 Could Solving This One Problem Solve All the Others The biggest problem with humanity is humans themselves Too often we make choices what we eat how we spend our money and time that undermine our wellbeing An allstar team of academic researchers thinks it has the solution perfecting the science of behavior change Will it work 4617 3521 281 Big Returns from Thinking Small By day two leaders of Britains famous Nudge Unit use behavioral tricks to make better government policy By night they repurpose those tricks to improve their personal lives They want to help you do the same 33017 3044 REBROADCAST How Safe is Your Job Economists preach the gospel of creative destruction whereby new industries and jobs replace the old ones But has creative destruction become too destructive 32317 3317 280 Why Is My Life So Hard Most of us feel we face more headwinds and obstacles than everyone else which breeds resentment We also undervalue the tailwinds that help us which leaves us ungrateful and unhappy How can we avoid this trap 31617 3029 279 Chuck E Cheeses Where a Kid Can Learn Price Theory The pizzaandgaming emporium prides itself on affordability which means its arcade games are really cheap to play Does that lead to kids hogging the best games and parents starting those infamous YouTube brawls 3917 3122 278 The Taboo Trifecta Serial entrepreneur Miki Agrawal loves to talk about the bodily functions that make most people flinch Thats why shes building a business around the three Ps periods pee and poop 3217 3206 277 No Hollywood Ending for the VisualEffects Industry In their chase for a global audience American movie studios spend billions to make their films look amazing But almost none of those dollars stay in America What would it take to bring those jobs back and would it be worth it 22317 5541 276 Professor Hendryx vs Big Coal What happens when a publichealth researcher deep in coal country argues that mountaintop mining endangers the entire community Hint it doesnt go very well 21617 3704 REBROADCAST How to Get More Grit in Your Life The psychologist Angela Duckworth argues that a persons level of sticktoitiveness is directly related to their level of success No big surprise there But grit she says isnt something youre born with it can be learned Heres how 2917 4211 275 An Eggheads Guide to the Super Bowl We assembled a panel of smart dudesa twotime Super Bowl champ a couple of NFL linemen including one whos getting a math PhD at MIT and our resident economistto tell you what to watch for whether youre a football fanatic or a total newbie 2217 2825 274 Did China Eat Americas Jobs For years economists promised that global free trade would be mostly winwin Now they admit the pace of change has been traumatic This has already led to a political insurrection so whats next 12617 3821 273 Is the American Dream Really Dead Just a few decades ago more than 90 percent of 30yearolds earned more than their parents had earned at the same age Now its only about 50 percent What happened and what can be done about it 11917 3926 272 Trevor Noah Has a Lot to Say The Daily Show host grew up as a poor mixedrace South African kid going to three churches every Sunday So he has a sui generis view of America especially on race politics and religion and hes not afraid to speak his mind 11217 3519 271 The Men Who Started a Thinking Revolution Starting in the late 1960s the Israeli psychologists Amos Tversky and Danny Kahneman began to redefine how the human mind actually works Michael Lewiss new book The Undoing Project explains how the movement they started now known as behavioral economics has had such a profound effect on academia governments and society at large 10517 3507 REBROADCAST How to Become Great at Just About Anything What if the thing we call talent is grotesquely overrated And what if deliberate practice is the secret to excellence Those are the claims of the research psychologist Anders Ericsson who has been studying the science of expertise for decades He tells us everything hes learned 122916 5007 REBROADCAST How to Be More Productive In this busy time of year we could all use some tips on how to get more done in less time First however a warning theres a big difference between being busy and being productive 122216 3920 270 Bad Medicine Part 3 Death by Diagnosis By some estimates medical error is the thirdleading cause of death in the US How can that be And whats to be done Our third and final episode in this series offers some encouraging answers 121516 4830 269 Bad Medicine Part 2 Drug Trials and Tribulations How do so many ineffective and even dangerous drugs make it to market One reason is that clinical trials are often run on dream patients who arent representative of a larger population On the other hand sometimes the only thing worse than being excluded from a drug trial is being included 12816 4518 268 Bad Medicine Part 1 The Story of 986 We tend to think of medicine as a science but for most of human history it has been scientificish at best In the first episode of a threepart series we look at the grotesque mistakes produced by centuries of trialanderror and ask whether the new era of evidencebased medicine is the solution 12116 4455 REBROADCAST The NoTipping Point The restaurant business model is warped kitchen wages are too low to hire cooks while diners are put in charge of paying the waitstaff So what happens if you eliminate tipping raise menu prices and redistribute the wealth New York restaurant maverick Danny Meyer is about to find out 112416 4426 267 How to Make a Bad Decision Some of our most important decisions are shaped by something as random as the order in which we make them The gamblers fallacy as its known affects loan officers federal judges and probably you too How to avoid it The first step is to admit just how fallible we all are 111716 3541 266 Trust Me Societies where people trust one another are healthier and wealthier In the US and the UK and elsewhere social trust has been falling for decades in part because our populations are more diverse What can we do to fix it 111016 2742 265 The White House Gets Into the Nudge Business A tiny behavioralsciences startup is trying to improve the way federal agencies do their work Considering the size and habits of most federal agencies this isnt so simple But after a series of early victories and a helpful executive order from President Obama they are well on their way 11316 4214 264 In Praise of Incrementalism What do Renaissance painting civilrights movements and Olympic cycling have in common In each case huge breakthroughs came from taking tiny steps In a world where everyone is looking for the next moonshot we shouldnt ignore the power of incrementalism 102716 4829 263 In Praise of Maintenance Has our cultures obsession with innovation led us to neglect the fact that things also need to be taken care of 102016 4141 262 This Is Your Brain on Podcasts Neuroscientists still have a great deal to learn about the human brain One recent MRI study sheds some light finding that a certain kind of storytelling stimulates enormous activity across broad swaths of the brain The takeaway is obvious you should be listening to even more podcasts 101316 4519 REBROADCAST How To Win A Nobel Prize The gist the Nobel selection process is famously secretive and conducted in Swedish but we pry the lid off at least a little bit 10616 4432 261 Why Are We Still Using Cash It facilitates crime bribery and tax evasion and yet some governments including ours are printing more cash than ever Other countries meanwhile are ditching cash entirely And if Star Trek is right we wont have money of any sort in the 24th century 92916 4259 260 Has the US Presidency Become a Dictatorship Sure we all pay lip service to the Madisonian system of checks and balances But as one legal scholar argues presidents have been running roughshod over the system for decades The result An accumulation of power thats turned the presidency into a position the Founders wouldnt have recognized 92216 4743 259 Ten Signs You Might Be a Libertarian Gary Johnson the Libertarian Partys presidential candidate likes to say that most Americans are libertarians but dont know it yet So why cant Libertarians and other third parties gain more political traction 91516 5038 258 Why Uber Is an Economists Dream To you its just a ridesharing app that gets you where youre going But to an economist Uber is a massive repository of momentbymoment data that is helping answer some of the fields most elusive questions 9816 3947 257 The Future Probably Isnt as Scary as You Think Internet pioneer Kevin Kelly tries to predict the future by identifying whats truly inevitable How worried should we be Yes robots will probably take your job but the future will still be pretty great 9116 3458 REBROADCAST Are You Ready for a Glorious Sunset The gist we spend billions on endoflife healthcare that doesnt do much good So what if a patient could forego the standard treatment and get a cash rebate instead 82516 3746 REBROADCAST Aziz Ansari Needs Another Toothbrush The comedian actor and now author answers our FREAKquently Asked Questions 81816 3125 256 What Are You Waiting For Standing in line represents a particularly sloppy and frustrating way for supply and demand to meet Why havent we found a better way to get what we want Is it possible that we secretly enjoy waiting in line And might it even be gulp good for us 81116 3553 REBROADCAST Is It Okay for Restaurants to Racially Profile Their Employees We seem to have decided that ethnic food tastes better when its served by people of that ethnicity or at least something close Does this make sense and is it legal 8416 5155 255 Ten Ideas to Make Politics Less Rotten We Americans may love our democracy at least in theory but at the moment our feelings toward the Federal government lie somewhere between disdain and hatred Which electoral and political ideas should be killed off to make way for a saner system 72816 4448 254 What Are Gender Barriers Made Of Overt discrimination in the labor markets may be on the wane but women are still subtly penalized by all sorts of societal conventions How can those penalties be removed without burning down the house 72116 3629 253 Is the Internet Being Ruined Its a remarkable ecosystem that allows each of us to exercise control over our lives But how much control do we truly have How many of our decisions are really being made by Google and Facebook and Apple And perhaps most importantly is the Internets true potential being squandered 71416 4754 252 Confessions of a Pothole Politician Eric Garcetti the mayor of Los Angeles has big ambitions but knows he must first master the small stuff Hes also a polymath who relies heavily on data and new technologies Could this be what modern politics is supposed to look like 7716 4344 REBROADCAST The Suicide Paradox There are more than twice as many suicides as murders in the US but suicide attracts far less scrutiny Freakonomics Radio digs through the numbers and finds all kinds of surprises 63016 5722 REBROADCAST How Much Does the President Really Matter The US president is often called the leader of free world But if you ask an economist or a Constitutional scholar how much the occupant of the Oval Office matters they wont say much We look at what the data have to say about measuring leadership and its impact on the economy and the country 62316 3225 REBROADCAST Why Do We Really Follow the News There are all kinds of civicsclass answers to that question But how true are they Could it be that we like to read about war politics and miscellaneous heartbreak simply because its gasp entertaining 61616 3546 251 Are We in a MattressStore Bubble Youve seen them everywhere and often clustered together as if central planners across America decided that what every city really needs is a Mattress District There are now dozens of online rivals too Why are there so many stores selling something we buy so rarely 6916 3437 250 Why Does Everyone Hate Flying And Other Questions Only a Pilot Can Answer Patrick Smith the author of Cockpit Confidential answers every question we can throw at him about what really happens up in the air Just dont get him started on pilotless planes or whether the autopilot is actually doing the flying 6216 4342 249 The Longest Long Shot When the uncelebrated Leicester City Football Club won the English Premier League it wasnt just the biggest underdog story in recent history It was a sign of changing economics and that other impossible wonderful events might be lurking just around the corner 52516 4259 248 How to Be Tim Ferriss Our SelfImprovement Month concludes with a man whose entire life and career are one big pile of selfimprovement Nutrition Check Bizarre physical activities Check Working less and earning more Check Tim Ferriss creator of the FourHour universe may at first glance look like a charlatan but it seems more likely that hes a wizard and the kind of selfimprovement ally we all want on our side 51916 4128 247 How to Win Games and Beat People Games are as old as civilization itself and some people think they have huge social value regardless of whether you win or lose Tom Whipple is not one of those people Thats why he consulted an army of preposterously overqualified experts to find the secret to winning any game 51216 5226 246 How to Get More Grit in Your Life The psychologist Angela Duckworth argues that a persons level of sticktoitiveness is directly related to their level of success No big surprise there But grit she says isnt something youre born with it can be learned Heres how 5416 4425 245 Being Malcolm Gladwell Books are a pain in the ass says Gladwell who has written some of the most popular influential and beloved nonfiction books in recent history In this wideranging and candid conversation he describes other pains in the ass as well as his passions his limits and why hell never take up golf 5116 2818 244 How to Become Great at Just About Anything What if the thing we call talent is grotesquely overrated And what if deliberate practice is the secret to excellence Those are the claims of the research psychologist Anders Ericsson who has been studying the science of expertise for decades He tells us everything hes learned 42816 5151 243 How to Be More Productive Its SelfImprovement Month at Freakonomics Radio We begin with a topic that seems to be on everyones mind how to get more done in less time First however a warning theres a big difference between being busy and being productive 42116 3834 242 Is the World Ready for a Guaranteed Basic Income A lot of fulltime jobs in the modern economy simply dont pay a living wage And even those jobs may be obliterated by new technologies Whats to be done so that financially vulnerable people arent just crushed It may finally be time for an idea that economists have promoted for decades a guaranteed basic income 41416 3640 241 Are Payday Loans Really as Evil as People Say Critics including President Obama say shortterm highinterest loans are predatory trapping borrowers in a cycle of debt But some economists see them as a useful financial instrument for people who need them As the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau promotes new regulation we ask whos right 4716 4936 REBROADCAST The Economics of Sleep Part 2 People who sleep better earn more money Now all we have to do is teach everyone to sleep better 33116 4247 REBROADCAST The Economics of Sleep Part 1 Could a lack of sleep help explain why some people get much sicker than others 32416 4537 240 Yes the American Economy Is in a Funk But Not for the Reasons You Think As sexy as the digital revolution may be it cant compare to the Second Industrial Revolution electricity the gas engine antibiotics which created the biggest standardofliving boost in US history The only problem argues the economist Robert Gordon is that the Second Industrial Revolution was a onetime event So what happens next 31716 3329 239 The NoTipping Point The restaurant business model is warped kitchen wages are too low to hire cooks while diners are put in charge of paying the waitstaff So what happens if you eliminate tipping raise menu prices and redistribute the wealth New York restaurant maverick Danny Meyer is about to find out 31016 4314 238 The United States of Cory Booker The junior US Senator from New Jersey thinks bipartisanship is right around the corner Is he just an idealistic newbie or does he see a way forward that everyone else has missed 3316 3918 237 Ask Not What Your Podcast Can Do for You Now and again Freakonomics Radio puts hat in hand and asks listeners to donate to the publicradio station that produces the show Why on earth should anyone pay good money for something that can be had for free Here are a few reasons 22516 4139 236 How Can This Possibly Be True A famous economics essay features a pencil yes a pencil arguing that not a single person on the face of this earth knows how to make me Is the pencil just bragging In any case what can the pencil teach us about our global interdependence and the proper role of government in the economy 21816 4048 235 Who Needs Handwriting The digital age is making pen and paper seem obsolete But what are we giving up if we give up on handwriting 21116 3933 REBROADCAST How to Fix a Broken High Schooler in Four Easy Steps Okay maybe the steps arent so easy But a program run out of a Toronto housing project has had great success in turning around kids who were headed for trouble 2416 2913 REBROADCAST Is Americas Education Problem Really Just a Teacher Problem If US schoolteachers are indeed just a little bit below average its not really their fault So what should be done about it 12816 3636 234 Do Boycotts Work The Montgomery Bus Boycott the South African divestment campaign ChickfilA Almost anyone can launch a boycott and the media loves to cover them But do boycotts actually produce the change theyre fighting for 12116 3723 233 How to Be Less Terrible at Predicting the Future Experts and pundits are notoriously bad at forecasting in part because they arent punished for bad predictions Also they tend to be deeply unscientific The psychologist Philip Tetlock is finally turning prediction into a science and now even you could become a superforecaster 11416 4652 232 The True Story of the Gender Pay Gap Discrimination cant explain why women earn so much less than men If only it were that easy 1716 4323 REBROADCAST When Willpower Isnt Enough Sure we all want to make good personal decisions but it doesnt always work out Thats where temptation bundling comes in 123115 4156 REBROADCAST Fixing the World BangfortheBuck Edition A team of economists has been running the numbers on the UNs development goals They have a different view of how those billions of dollars should be spent 122415 3059 231 Is Migration a Basic Human Right The argument for open borders is compelling and deeply problematic 121715 10053 230 The Cheeseburger Diet One womans quest to find the best burger in town can teach all of us to eat smarter 121015 3204 229 Ben Bernanke Gives Himself a Grade He was handed the keys to the global economy just as it started heading off a cliff Fortunately hed seen this movie before 12315 4958 REBROADCAST Why Do People Keep Having Children Even a brutal natural disaster doesnt diminish our appetite for procreating This surely means were heading toward massive overpopulation right Probably not 112615 4000 228 Does Early Education Come Way Too Late In our collective zeal to reform schools and close the achievement gap we may have lost sight of where most learning really happens at home 111915 4533 227 Should Everyone Be in a Rock Band Lessons from Tom Pettys rise and another rockers fall 111215 4528 226 Food Science Victory On the menu A kitchen wizard and a nutrition detective talk about the perfect hamburger getting the most out of garlic and why you should use vodka in just about everything 11515 3820 225 Am I Boring You Researchers are trying to figure out who gets bored and why and what it means for ourselves and the economy But maybe theres an upside to boredom 102915 3929 REBROADCAST How to Save 1 Billion Without Even Trying Doctors chefs and other experts are much more likely than the rest of us to buy storebrand products What do they know that we dont 102215 3627 224 How To Win A Nobel Prize The process is famously secretive and conducted in Swedish but we pry the lid off at least a little bit 101515 4527 223 Should Kids Pay Back Their Parents for Raising Them When one athlete turned pro his mom asked him for 1 million Our modern sensibilities tell us she doesnt have a case But should she 10815 4722 222 Meet the Woman Who Said Women Cant Have It All AnneMarie Slaughter was best known for her adamant views on Syria when she accidentally became a poster girl for modern feminism As it turns out she can be pretty adamant in that realm as well 10115 4211 221 How Did the Belt Win Suspenders may work better but the dork factor is too high How did an organsqueezing belly tourniquet become part of our everyday wardrobe and what other suboptimal solutions do we routinely put up with 92415 3056 220 I Dont Know What Youve Done With My Husband But Hes a Changed Man From domestic abusers to former child soldiers there is increasing evidence that behavioral therapy can turn them around 91715 4553 219 Preventing Crime for Pennies on the Dollar Conventional programs tend to be expensive onerous and ineffective Could something as simple and cheap as cognitive behavioral therapy do the trick 91015 4133 218 The Harvard President Will See You Now How a painintheneck girl from rural Virginia came to run the most powerful university in the world 9315 3849 217 Are You Ready for a Glorious Sunset We spend billions on endoflife healthcare that doesnt do much good So what if a patient could forego the standard treatment and get a cash rebate instead 82715 3655 216 How to Make a Smart TV Ad Step 1 Hire a Harvard psych professor as the pitchman Step 2 Have him help write the script 82015 3035 REBROADCAST The Dangers of Safety What do NASCAR drivers Glenn Beck and the hit men of the NFL have in common 81215 3057 215 Why Do We Really Follow the News There are all kinds of civicsclass answers to that question But how true are they Could it be that we like to read about war politics and miscellaneous heartbreak simply because its gasp entertaining 8515 3551 214 How to Create Suspense Why is soccer the best sport How has Harlan Coben sold 70 million books And why does Apollo 13 keep you enthralled even when you know the ending 72915 3920 213 Aziz Ansari Needs Another Toothbrush The comedian actor and now author answers our FREAKquently Asked Questions 72315 3200 212 The Economics of Sleep Part 2 People who sleep better earn more money Now all we have to do is teach everyone to sleep better 71615 4325 211 The Economics of Sleep Part 1 Could a lack of sleep help explain why some people get much sicker than others 7915 4456 REBROADCAST A Better Way to Eat Takeru Kobayashi revolutionized the sport of competitive eating What can the rest of us learn from his breakthrough 7115 2804 210 Is It Okay for Restaurants to Racially Profile Their Employees We seem to have decided that ethnic food tastes better when its served by people of that ethnicity or at least something close Does this make sense and is it legal 62515 5239 209 Make Me a Match Sure markets generally work well But for some transactions like school admissions and organ transplants money alone cant solve the problem Thats when you need a marketdesign wizard like Al Roth 61815 5023 208 Making Sex Offenders Pay and Pay and Pay and Pay Sure sex crimes are horrific and the perpetrators deserve to be punished harshly But society keeps exacting costs outofpocket and otherwise long after the prison sentence has been served 61115 3529 207 Should We Really Behave Like Economists Say We Do One mans attempt to remake his life in the mold of homo economicus 6415 5448 REBROADCAST Tell Me Something I Dont Know The debut of a live game show from Freakonomics Radio with judges Malcolm Gladwell Ana Gasteyer and David Paterson 52815 10256 REBROADCAST Failure Is Your Friend In which we argue that failure should not only be tolerated but celebrated 52115 3148 206 Ten Years of Freakonomics Dubner and Levitt are live onstage at the 92nd Street Y in New York to celebrate their new book When to Rob a Bank and a decade of working together 51415 4602 205 Could the Next Brooklyn Be Las Vegas Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh has a wild vision and the dollars to try to make it real But it still might be the biggest gamble in town 5715 5517 REBROADCAST Think Like a Child When it comes to generating ideas and asking questions it can be really fruitful to have the mentality of an eight year old 42915 2944 204 Nate Silver Says Everyone Is Kind of Weird Americas favorite statistical guru answers our FREAKquently Asked Questions and more 42315 3938 203 Diamonds Are a Marriage Counselors Best Friend It may seem like winning a valuable diamond is an unalloyed victory Its not Its not even clear that a diamond is so valuable 41615 4029 202 How Many Doctors Does It Take to Start a Healthcare Revolution The practice of medicine has been subsumed by the business of medicine This is great news for healthcare shareholders and bad news for pretty much everyone else 4915 5356 201 How Do We Know What Really Works in Healthcare A lot of the conventional wisdom in medicine is nothing more than hunch or wishful thinking A new breed of data detectives is hoping to change that 4215 4153 REBROADCAST The Perfect Crime If you are driving and kill a pedestrian theres a good chance youll barely be punished Why 32615 2935 REBROADCAST What You Dont Know About Online Dating Thick markets thin markets and the triumph of attributes over compatibility 31915 4011 200 When Willpower Isnt Enough Sure we all want to make good personal decisions but it doesnt always work out Thats where temptation bundling comes in 31215 3311 199 This Idea Must Die Every year Edgeorg asks its salon of big thinkers to answer one big question This years question borders on heresy what scientific idea is ready for retirement 3515 5433 198 The Maddest Men of All Advertisers have always been adept at manipulating our emotions Now theyre using behavioral economics to get even better 22615 3252 197 Hacking the World Bank Jim Yong Kim has an unorthodox background for a World Bank president and his reign thus far is just as unorthodox 21915 3633 196 Is There a Better Way to Fight Terrorism The White House is hosting an antiterror summit next week Summits being what they are we try to offer some useful advice 21215 4248 195 How Efficient Is Energy Efficiency Its a centerpiece of US climate policy and a sacred cow among environmentalists Does it work 20515 3236 194 How Safe Is Your Job Economists preach the gospel of creative destruction whereby new industries and jobs replace the old ones But has creative destruction become too destructive 12915 3336 193 Someone Elses Acid Trip As Kevin Kelly tells it the hippie revolution and the computer revolution are nearly one and the same 12215 2931 192 Thats a Great Question Verbal tic or strategic rejoinder Whatever the case its rare to come across an interview these days where at least one question isnt a great one 11515 2542 191 Why Doesnt Everyone Get the Flu Vaccine Influenza kills but youd never know it by how few of us get the vaccine 1815 3616 REBROADCAST Whats the Best Exercise Most people blame lack of time for being out of shape So maybe the solution is to exercise more efficiently 1115 1520 REBROADCAST Whats More Dangerous Marijuana or Alcohol Imagine that both substances were undiscovered until today How would we think about their relative risks 122514 2639 190 Time to Take Back the Toilet Public bathrooms are noisy poorly designed and often nonexistent What to do 121814 3548 REBROADCAST The Troubled Cremation of Stevie the Cat We spend billions on our pets and one of the fastestgrowing costs is pet aftercare But are those cremated remains you got back really from your pet 121114 4559 189 How to Fix a Broken High Schooler in Four Easy Steps Okay maybe the steps arent so easy But a program run out of a Toronto housing project has had great success in turning around kids who were headed for trouble 12414 2935 188 Is Americas Education Problem Really Just a Teacher Problem If US schoolteachers are indeed just a little bit below average its not really their fault So what should be done about it 112714 2813 187 The Man Who Would Be Everything Boris Johnson mayor of London biographer of Churchill cheesebox painter and tennisracket collector answers our FREAKquently Asked Questions 112014 2813 186 Why Do People Keep Having Children Even a brutal natural disaster doesnt diminish our appetite for procreating This surely means were heading toward massive overpopulation right Probably not 111314 3930 185 Should the US Merge With Mexico Corporations around the world are consolidating like never before If its good enough for companies why not countries Welcome to Amexico 11614 5736 184 What Can Vampires Teach Us About Economics A lot The Economics of the Undead is a book about dating strategy job creation and whether there should be a legal market for blood 103014 2600 183 Tell Me Something I Dont Know The debut of a live game show from Freakonomics Radio with judges Malcolm Gladwell Ana Gasteyer and David Paterson 102314 10330 182 How Can Tiny Norway Afford to Buy So Many Teslas The Norwegian government parleys massive oil wealth into huge subsidies for electric cars Is that carbon laundering or just pragmatic environmentalism 101614 3654 REBROADCAST How to Raise Money Without Killing a Kitten The science of what works and doesnt work in fundraising 10914 3443 181 Fixing the World BangfortheBuck Edition A team of economists has been running the numbers on the UNs development goals They have a different view of how those billions of dollars should be spent 10214 4300 180 Fitness Apartheid Markets are hardly perfect but the results can be ugly when you try to subvert them 92514 3058 179 Outsiders by Design What does it mean to pursue something that everyone else thinks is nuts And what does it take to succeed 91814 4025 178 How to Save 1 Billion Without Even Trying Doctors chefs and other experts are much more likely than the rest of us to buy storebrand products What do they know that we dont 91114 3456 177 Regulate This Airbnb Uber Lyft EatWith and other companies in the sharing economy are practically daring government regulators to shut them down The regulators are happy to comply 9414 5714 REBROADCAST Who Runs the Internet The online universe doesnt have nearly as many rules or rulemakers as the real world Discuss 82814 3258 REBROADCAST Parking is Hell There aint no such thing as a free parking spot Somebody has to pay for it and that somebody is everybody 82114 3639 REBROADCAST What Do Medieval Nuns and Bo Jackson Have in Common A look at whether spite pays and if it even exists 81414 3906 REBROADCAST Should Tipping Be Banned Its awkward random confusing and probably discriminatory too 8714 3810 REBROADCAST How Much Does Your Name Matter A kids name can tell us something about his parents their race social standing even their politics But is your name really your destiny 8214 5316 176 Does Religion Make You Happy Its a hard question to answer but we do our best 72414 2936 175 Why You Should Bribe Your Kids Educational messaging looks good on paper but kids dont respond to it and adults arent much better 71714 2802 174 What Do King Solomon and David Lee Roth Have in Common It isnt easy to separate the guilty from the innocent but a clever bit of game theory can help 71014 3319 173 A Better Way to Eat Takeru Kobayashi revolutionized the sport of competitive eating What can the rest of us learn from his breakthrough 7314 2612 172 How to Screen Job Applicants Act Your Age and Get Your Brain Off Autopilot Dubner and Levitt answer reader questions in this first installment of the Think Like a Freak Book Club 62614 2615 171 Theres No Such Thing as a Free Appetizer Is it really in a restaurants best interest to give customers free bread or chips before they even order 61914 3820 170 Why America Doesnt Love Soccer Yet Every four years the US takes a look at the World Cup and develops a slight crush What would it take to really fall in love 61214 3714 169 Failure Is Your Friend In which we argue that failure should not only be tolerated but celebrated 6514 3219 REBROADCAST The Upside of Quitting You know the saying a winner never quits and a quitter never wins To which Freakonomics Radio says Are you sure 52914 5940 168 Think Like a Child When it comes to generating ideas and asking questions it can be really fruitful to have the mentality of an eight year old 52214 2917 167 The Three Hardest Words in the English Language Why learning to say I dont know is one of the best things you can do 51514 2957 166 How to Think Like a Freak and Other FREAKquently Asked Questions Stephen Dubner and Steve Levitt talk about their new book and field questions about prestige university life and yum yum bacon 5814 2854 165 The Perfect Crime If you are driving and kill a pedestrian theres a good chance youll barely be punished Why 5114 3021 164 Which Came First the Chicken or the Avocado When it comes to exercising outrage people tend to be very selective Could it be that humans are our least favorite animal 42414 3041 163 Whats More Dangerous Marijuana or Alcohol Imagine that both substances were undiscovered until today How would we think about their relative risks 41714 2555 162 If Mayors Ruled the World Unlike certain elected officials in Washington mayors all over the country actually get stuff done So maybe we should ask them to do more 41014 3217 161 How to Make People Quit Smoking The war on cigarettes has been fairly successful in some places But 1 billion humans still smoke so what comes next 4314 3337 160 Why Everybody Who Doesnt Hate Bitcoin Loves It Thinking of Bitcoin as just a digital currency is like thinking about the Internet as just email Its potential is much more exciting than that 32714 3623 REBROADCAST Women Are Not Men In many ways the gender gap is closing In others not so much And thats not always a bad thing 32014 3834 159 Its Fun to Smoke Marijuana A psychology professor argues that the brains greatest attribute is knowing what other people are thinking And that a Queen song played backwards can improve your mindreading skills 31314 2356 158 Is Learning a Foreign Language Really Worth It Yes it expands the mind but we usually dont retain much and then theres the opportunity cost 3614 2148 157 Why Are Japanese Homes Disposable In most countries houses get more valuable over time In Japan a new buyer will often bulldoze the home Well tell you why 22714 2447 156 Why Marry Part 2 The consequences of our low marriage rate and if the old model is less attractive how about a new one 22014 2421 155 Why Marry Part 1 The myths of modern marriage 21314 2032 154 What You Dont Know About Online Dating Thick markets thin markets and the triumph of attributes over compatibility 20614 3714 153 Reasons to Not Be Ugly The beauty premium is real for everyone from babies to NFL quarterbacks 13014 2640 152 Everybody Gossips and Thats a Good Thing The benefits of rumormongering 12314 3628 REBROADCAST Fear Thy Nature What Sleep No More and the Stanford Prison Experiment tell us about who we really are 11614 3753 151 Are We Ready to Legalize Drugs And Other FREAKquently Asked Questions Dubner and Levitt talk about fixing the post office putting cameras in the classroom and wearing hats 1914 2942 150 Whats the Best Exercise Most people blame lack of time for being out of shape So maybe the solution is to exercise more efficiently 1214 1518 REBROADCAST Save Me From Myself A commitment device forces you to be the person you really want to be What could possibly go wrong 122613 3642 149 Pontifficating on the FreeMarket System The Pope just gave it to the global economy with both barrels Was he right to do so 121913 4003 148 Are Gay Men Really Rich Its easy to get that idea But is the stereotype true 121213 2114 147 The Most Dangerous Machine More than 1 million people die worldwide each year from traffic accidents But theres never been a safer time to drive 120513 3237 146 Fighting Poverty With Actual Evidence Its time to do away with feelgood stories gut hunches and magical thinking 112713 3713 145 What Do Skating Rinks Ultimate Frisbee and the World Have in Common Spontaneous order is everywhere if you know where to look for it 112113 4654 144 Who Runs the Internet The online universe doesnt have nearly as many rules or rulemakers as the real world Discuss 111413 3258 REBROADCAST Freakonomics Goes to College Part 2 College tends to make people happier healthier and wealthier But how 110713 3359 REBROADCAST Freakonomics Goes to College Part 1 Whats a college degree really worth these days 103113 2940 143 Why Bad Environmentalism Is Such an Easy Sell Being green is rarely a blackandwhite issue but that doesnt stop marketers and politicians from pretending it is 102413 2502 142 The Troubled Cremation of Stevie the Cat We spend billions on our pets and one of the fastestgrowing costs is pet aftercare But are those cremated remains you got back really from your pet 101413 4559 141 How to Raise Money Without Killing a Kitten The science of what works and doesnt work in fundraising 101013 3331 140 How to Think About Money Choose Your Hometown and Buy an Electric Toothbrush Dubner and Levitt field your queries in this latest installment of our FREAKquently Asked Questions 100313 2533 139 Would a Big Bucket of Cash Really Change Your Life A 19thcentury Georgia land lottery may have something to teach us about todays income inequality 92613 2929 REBROADCAST The Economists Guide to Parenting Think you know how much parents matter Think again Economists crunch the numbers to learn the ROI on childrearing 91913 5827 138 Whatever Happened to the Carpal Tunnel Epidemic Once upon a time office workers across America lived in fear of a dreaded infirmity Was the computer keyboard really the villain and did carpal tunnel syndrome really go away 91213 1749 REBROADCAST The Suicide Paradox There are more than twice as many suicides as murders in the US but suicide attracts far less scrutiny Freakonomics Radio digs through the numbers and finds all kinds of surprises 90513 5834 137 Who Are the Most Successful Immigrants in the World Its impossible to say for sure but the Lebanese do remarkably well Why 82913 2614 REBROADCAST The Folly of Prediction Human beings love to predict the future but were quite terrible at it So how about punishing all those bad predictions 82213 5830 136 The Middle of Everywhere Chicago has given the world more than sausage crooked politics and Da Bears 81513 3050 REBROADCAST The Church of Scionology We worship the tradition of handing off a family business to the next generation But is that really such a good idea 8813 5728 135 Do Baby Girls Cause Divorce Even American parents have a strong son preference which means that a newborn daughter can be bad news for a marriage 8113 2003 REBROADCAST The Upside of Quitting You know the saying a winner never quits and a quitter never wins To which Freakonomics Radio says Are you sure 72213 5940 134 Government Employees Gone Wild The Encyclopedia of Ethical Failures catalogs the fiscal sexual and mental lapses of federal workers all with an eye toward preventing the next big mistake 71813 2014 133 A Burger a Day Is junk food an abomination or a modern miracle 71113 630 132 Jane Austen Game Theorist What does Pride and Prejudice have to do with nuclear deterrence 7413 2818 REBROADCAST Legacy of a Jerk What happens to your reputation when youre no longer around to defend it 62713 4405 131 Do You Really Want to Know Your Future You might think that someone with a 5050 chance of getting a fatal disease would want to know for sure but you would be wrong What does this say about our supposed thirst for certainty 62013 3215 130 Why Family and Business Dont Mix Yet another reason to blame your parents for pretty much everything 61213 628 129 Should Tipping Be Banned Its awkward random confusing and probably discriminatory too 6313 3810 128 Baby You Can Program My Car A glimpse into our driverless future 52913 559 127 Can You Be Too Smart for Your Own Good And Other FREAKquently Asked Questions Dubner and Levitt talk about circadian rhythms gay marriage autism and whether pay what you want is everything its cracked up to be 52313 2808 REBROADCAST The Hidden Cost of False Alarms If any other product failed 94 percent of the time youd probably stop using it So why do we put up with burglar alarms 51513 541 126 What Do Medieval Nuns and Bo Jackson Have in Common A look at whether spite pays and if it even exists 5913 3942 125 Its Crowded at the Top Why is unemployment still so high It may be because of something that happened well before the Great Recession 5113 634 124 Running to Do Evil An interview with Unabomber Ted Kaczynski whose younger brother turned him in and what it says about the Boston bombers 42513 2602 123 Help Wanted No Smokers Need Apply In many states it is perfectly legal to not hire someone who smokes Should employers also be able to weed out junkfood lovers or motorcyclists or anyone who wants to have a baby 41713 558 122 How Much Does Your Name Matter A kids name can tell us something about his parents their race social standing even their politics But is your name really your destiny 4813 5056 121 The Tax Man Nudgeth Real tax reform may or may not ever happen In the meantime how about making the current system work a bit better 4313 1013 120 100 Ways to Fight Obesity Freakonomics asks a dozen smart people for their best ideas Get ready for a fat tax a sugar ban and a caloriechomping tapeworm 32713 3721 119 How Money Is March Madness The NCAA basketball tournament grabs a lot of eyeballs but turning them into dollars hasnt always been easy even when the talent is playing for free 32113 628 118 Parking Is Hell There aint no such thing as a free parking spot Somebody has to pay for it and that somebody is everybody 31313 3639 117 When Is a Negative a Positive Sure we all like to hear compliments But if youre truly looking to get better at something its the negative feedback that will get you there 3613 733 116 Women Are Not Men In many ways the gender gap is closing In others not so much And thats not always a bad thing 22413 3723 115 The Downside of More Miles Per Gallon The gas tax doesnt work well and its only going to get worse Whats next 22113 605 114 How to Think About Guns No one wants mass shootings Unfortunately no one has a workable plan to stop them either 21413 3008 113 Sure I Remember That It is startlingly easy to create false memories especially in politics 20813 639 112 Would You Let a Coin Toss Decide Your Future Levitt and Dubner go deep on Freakonomics Experiments a new research project that lets you take a chance on life 13113 2642 111 Introducing Freakonomics Experiments Steve Levitt has a novel idea for helping people make tough decisions 12413 501 110 Who Owns the Words That Come Out of Your Mouth The very long reach of Winston Churchill and how the British government is remaking copyright law 11713 3154 109 How to Live Longer Why do Hall of Fame inductees Oscar winners and Nobel laureates outlive their peers 11013 607 108 How Did Freakonomics Get Its Name Levitt and Dubner answer your questions about driving sneezing and ladies nights Plus a remembrance of Levitts sister Linda 10313 2728 107 How Much Does a Good Boss Really Matter Its harder than youd think to measure the value of a boss But some enterprising economists have done just that and the news is good 122712 1410 106 The House of Dreams Dubners childhood home goes from sacred to profane and then back again 122012 2151 105 Have a Very Homo Economicus Christmas Who better than an economist to help with your shopping list 121212 1510 104 The Things They Taught Me College at its best is about learning to think Stephen Dubner chats up three of his former professors who made the magic happen 12512 2359 103 Freeconomics Economists are a notoriously selfinterested bunch But a British outfit called Pro Bono Economics is giving away its services to selected charities 112812 619 102 I Consult Therefore I Am There are enough management consultants these days to form a small nation But what do they actually do And does it work 112112 3559 101 Mass Transit Hysteria Adding more train and bus lines looks like an environmental slam dunk Until you start to do the math 111412 633 100 Our 100th Episode Turkey sex and chicken wings selling souls and swapping organs the power of the president and the price of wine these are a few of our favorite things 11512 1433 99 How to Maximize Your Halloween Candy Haul Is it as simple as going to the richest neighborhood you can find Of course not 103112 559 98 We the Sheeple Politicians tell voters exactly what they want to hear even when it makes no sense Which is pretty much all the time 102412 2325 97 Lying to Ourselves We rely on polls and surveys to tell us how people will behave in the future Too bad theyre completely unreliable 101712 545 96 The Cobra Effect When you want to get rid of a nasty pest one obvious solution comes to mind just offer a cash reward But be careful because nothing backfires quite like a bounty 101012 3426 95 Why Americas Economic Growth May Be Shh Over Sure we love our computers and all the rest of our digital toys But when it comes to real economic gains can we ever match oldschool innovations like the automobile and electricity 10312 548 94 The Tale of the 15 Tomato Trying to go rustic by baking brewing and knitting at home can be terribly inefficient And thats a wonderful thing 92312 924 93 Why Online Poker Should Be Legal The data show that poker is indeed a game of skill not chance and a Federal judge agrees So why are players still being treated like criminals 91912 525 92 Fear Thy Nature What Sleep No More and the Stanford Prison Experiment tell us about who we really are 91212 3715 91 Can Selling Beer Cut Down on Public Drunkenness Binge drinking is a big problem at college football games Oliver Luck father of No 1 NFL pick Andrew and the athletic director at West Virginia University had an unusual idea to help solve it 9512 545 90 How Deep Is the Shadow Economy What we know and dont know about the gazillions of dollars that never show up on anyones books 82912 1951 89 Theres Cake in the Breakroom If you think working from home offers too many distractions just think about what happens at the office 82212 610 88 Freakonomics Goes to College Part 2 College tends to make people happier healthier and wealthier But how 81512 3359 87 The Season of Death We know that summertime brings far too many fatal accidents But you may be surprised if you dig into the numbers 8812 633 86 Freakonomics Goes to College Part 1 Whats a college degree really worth these days 72912 2940 85 Olympian Economics Do host cities really get the benefits their boosters promise or are they just engaging in some fiscal gymnastics 72512 659 84 Legacy of a Jerk What happens to your reputation when youre no longer around to defend it 71812 4405 83 Whats Wrong With Cash for Grades If we want our kids to thrive in school maybe we should just pay them 71012 615 82 Please Steal My Car Levitt and Dubner answer your FREAKquently Asked Questions about junk food insurance and how to make an economist happy 7412 2259 81 StarSpangled Banter Once a week the British Prime Minister goes before the House of Commons for a lightning round of hard questions Should the US give it a try 62612 713 80 Riding the Herd Mentality How using peer pressure and good oldfashioned shame can push people to do the right thing 62012 3626 79 A Cheap Employee Is a Cheap Employee Paying workers as little as possible seems smart unless you can make more money by paying them more 61312 603 78 You Eat What You Are Part 2 To feed 7 billion people while protecting the environment it would seem that going local is a nobrainer until you start looking at the numbers 6612 2859 77 Playing the Nerd Card The NBAs superstars are suddenly sporting Urkel glasses but is it more than a fashion statement 53012 529 76 You Eat What You Are Part 1 How American food so got bad and why its getting so much better 52312 3008 75 Retirement Kills Sure we all dream of leaving the office forever But what if its bad for your health 51612 536 74 Soul Possession In a world where nearly everything is for sale is it always okay to buy what isnt yours 5712 2840 73 A Rose By Any Other Distance At a time when people worry about every mile their food must travel why is it okay to import most of our cut flowers from thousands of miles away 5212 540 72 Lottery Loopholes and Deadly Doctors Season 2 Episode 5 What do you do when smart people keep making stupid mistakes And are we a nation of financial illiterates This is a mashupdate of Is America Ready for a NoLose Lottery The NoLose Lottery Part 2 and What Do HandWashing and Financial Illiteracy Have in Common 42512 5804 71 Is Good Corporate Citizenship Also Good for the Bottom Line A new study says that yes it is but try telling that to the United Nations officials who are preaching sustainability practices 41912 621 70 Eating and Tweeting Season 2 Episode 4 Does the future of food lie in its past or inside a tank of liquid nitrogen Also how antisocial can you be on a social network This is a mashupdate of Waiter Theres a Physicist in My Soup Part 1 Waiter Theres a Physicist in My Soup Part 2 and Is Twitter a TwoWay Street 41212 5727 69 The Hidden Cost of False Alarms If any other product failed 94 percent of the time youd probably stop using it So why do we put up with burglar alarms 4412 541 68 The Power of the President and the Thumb Season 2 Episode 3 How much does the President of the United States really matter And where did all the hitchhikers go A pair of attribution errors This is a mashupdate of How Much Does the President Really Matter and Where Have All the Hitchhikers Gone 32912 5809 67 The Patent Gap Women hold fewer than one in 10 patents Why And what are we missing out on 32312 509 66 Show and Yell Season 2 Episode 2 Is booing an act of verbal vandalism or the last true expression of democracy And when you drive a Prius are you guilty of conspicuous conservation This is a mashupdate of Hey Baby Is That a Prius Youre Driving and Boo Who 31512 5817 65 Its Not the President Stupid Isnt it time to admit that the US economy doesnt have a commander in chief 3812 525 64 The Days of Wine and Mouses Season 2 Episode 1 Do more expensive wines taste better And what does one little rodent in a salad say about a restaurants future This is a mashupdate of Do More Expensive Wines Taste Better and A Mouse in the Salad 22812 5647 63 The Dilbert Index Measuring workplace morale and how to game the sickday system 22312 601 62 How Biased Is Your Media The left and the right blame each other for pretty much everything including slanted media coverage Can they both be right 21612 3620 61 Does This Recession Make Me Look Fat A look at some nonobvious ways to lose weight 2912 550 60 Save Me From Myself A commitment device forces you to be the person you really want to be What could possibly go wrong 2212 3446 59 The Hidden Side of the Super Bowl A football cheat sheet to help you sound like the smartest person at the party 12612 530 58 What Do HandWashing and Financial Illiteracy Have in Common Education is the surest solution to a lot of problems Except when its not 12012 3458 57 Does Money Really Buy Elections We all know the answer is yes But the data and Rudy Giuliani say no 11212 650 56 Why Is I Dont Know So Hard to Say Levitt and Dubner answer your FREAKquently Asked Questions about certifying politicians irrational fears and the toughest three words in the English language 1512 1638 55 The Perils of Drunk Walking We know its terribly dangerous to drive drunk But heading home on foot isnt the solution 122811 603 54 How Is a Bad Radio Station Like Our PublicSchool System Encore The thrill of customization via Pandora and a radical new teaching method 122211 3035 53 How American Food Got So Bad Tyler Cowen points fingers Theres plenty of blame to go around 121411 521 52 Weird Recycling Clever ways to not waste our waste 12311 2503 51 What Makes a Donor Donate The science 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http://freddy-fazbears-pizza.wikia.com/wiki/Freddy_Fazbear | in : Five Nights at Freddy ' s Five Nights at Freddy ' s 2 Five Nights at Freddy ' s 3 and 5 more Freddy Fazbear Edit Share Not what you were looking for ? See Freddy ( disambiguation ) Uh . . . Interestingly enough , Freddy himself does n ' t come off stage very often . I heard he becomes a lot more active in the dark though , so , hey , I guess that ' s one more reason not to run out of power , right ? Phone Guy , describing Freddy ' s behavior in the first game , Night 2 FNaF FNaF2 FNaF3 FNaF4 FNaF : SL FFPS UCN FNaF VR Gallery Audio Trivia Freddy Fazbear In - Game Information Occupation Lead Singer in the Freddy Fazbear ' s Pizzeria Band Starting Location Show Stage In - Game Description Species Animatronic Bear Skin / Suit Color Brown is the titular main antagonist of Five Nights at Freddy ' s , who later appears as multiple variations in the succeeding games , and is the mascot of Freddy Fazbear ' s Pizza . He is an animatronic bear who , like the other animatronics in the game , is left in a " free - roaming mode " at night , during which he wanders around Freddy Fazbear ' s Pizza , along with the other animatronics , until 6 AM , to prevent their servos from locking up . Like the other animatronics , Freddy Fazbear will try to forcefully stuff any human he sees after hours into a Freddy Fazbear suit , resulting in death . Appearance A light brown animatronic bear ; wears a black bow tie and black top hat ; carries a microphone in his right hand that we ' re sure he ' d find a creative way to kill you with . Enhancing his face shows a handprint across his right eye , and another dark mark ( possibly a handprint ) along the lower left side of his jaw . The Freddy Files , page 12 The handprints on Freddy ' s face , highlighted in green for clarity . Freddy is a brown animatronic bear with a light shade of brown on both his stomach and puffy muzzle . On stage , he wears a black top hat , black bow tie with a neck strap , and wields a microphone with his right hand . He has thick black eyebrows , three - toed feet , and three blackish freckles on both sides of his muzzle . From his palms and underneath his fingers he has what appears to be paw - like prints . His round ears are articulated and are thus able to move backwards and He has human handprints on the right side of his face and chin from the left ( see picture above left ) , though they are difficult to locate . His irises are normally of a light , baby blue color , although , presumably for paranormal reasons , they become glossy - black when he is commonly seen on - camera and in one of his jumpscares , rather than his normal costume eyes . The only exceptions with him and his costume eyes are , in the group stare onstage , when he is coming down the East Hall , and when he is in the doorway when the power runs out . He and Foxy are the only Locations Freddy starts the night on the Show Stage , along with his bandmates , Bonnie and Chica . Upon activation , he will follow a set path from the Show Stage to the Office . The path is as follows : Show Stage → Dining Area → Restrooms → Kitchen East Hall → East Hall Corner → The Office . Unlike the other animatronics , he will remain in dark areas of the room he is occupying , leaving mostly his eyes and parts of his face visible . This implies that Freddy is avoiding the cameras as much as possible or , as Phone Guy states , this may be because Freddy is more active in the dark . Freddy will not be visible if another animatronic is in the same room as him . Viewing Freddy on the security cameras will slow him on his path , even if he is not visible in the room due to Bonnie or Chica ' s presence . Freddy will play his jingle either when he is in the Kitchen , where he is not visible as that room ' s camera is disabled , or in The Office when the power is out and the player has no means of warding him off . Behavior Freddy playing his jingle after the power runs out . For the first two nights of the week , Freddy is inactive and stays onstage , looking at the camera intermittently . During those nights , he only becomes active if the player runs out of power . After the power goes out and the player spends some seconds in the dimly - lit Office , Freddy Fazbear ' s face will light up in the left doorway , illuminated and shimmering , accompanied by his music box jingle . After several seconds , the remaining lights of the Office and Freddy ' s face will flicker and turn off , turning the room completely dark ( in addition , Freddy ' s jingle will stop as well ) . Being initially not visible ( yet sometimes audible due to his footsteps ) , Freddy will approach the guard and attack them , resulting in a game over If the player " plays dead " ( i.e. does not move while he plays his jingle ) , his attack may be delayed . Typically , doing this may keep Freddy playing his jingle a bit longer and , when the lights completely go out , may delay his attack , giving the player a bit more time to hold out until 6 AM . Freddy attacking the night guard after his song has ended . Freddy attacking the night guard . Note that Freddy ' s glossy - black eyes replacing his normal ones . Part of the iris in his right eye can be seen in his jumpscare . From Night 3 onward , he becomes active while the power is on . Usually , when Freddy moves , a deep laugh and running footsteps are heard instead of the usual walking footsteps the animatronics create when moving . Freddy only moves either when the Monitor is down or if the player is not directly watching him . Freddy can only enter the Office through the East Hall , except when the power has been drained , in which he will only enter The Office via the West Hall , specifically , the left door . As his movements are very fast , he can often appear as though he is capable of teleporting ( much like Bonnie ) . This issue is compounded by the fact that the player can not always hear him laugh when he moves as other sounds may prevent the player from hearing him laugh , meaning that the player has to constantly search for him to ensure that he is not right next to the Office . The most efficient way to prevent Freddy from sneaking into the Office is to monitor the cameras frequently to stall his movements . If Freddy can be seen on CAM 4B , the player should always close the door while looking at the Monitor unless they are viewing said camera , as shown by this video . The reason for this being , otherwise , Freddy may move inside the Office . Even if the player closes the door he wo n ’ t go away . This means the player will have close the door on the right side each time they put up the camera . Freddy will only move inside the Office if the player looks away from CAM 4B to monitor another camera while he is there . Since Freddy does not appear in the blind spot , his position in the East Hall Corner indicates that he is just one step away from entering the Office and ending the game . Bugs If Freddy attacks the night guard after they put the Monitor down , the light / door buttons disappear a split second before he fills up the screen . From the first game ' s trailer while Freddy ' s on the Show Stage singing , his chin appears to clip through his bow tie as his mouth opens . This is a common error with the other animatronics . His left endoskeleton hand clips through his palm in the first part of the trailer . In one of Freddy ' s jumpscares , another Freddy appears at the right door , with his position from the East Hall Corner . On the Steam art cover for the first game , Freddy ' s chin clips through his bow tie . The said image is used throughout the series ' merchandise , and maintains this error throughout . In Freddy ' s second jumpscare ( when he enters the Office without the power going out ) , his regular white - and - blue eyes can be seen for a split second before switching over to the black ones that last for the duration of the jumpscare . Though , the " blackness " that cover Freddy ' s eyes during his jumpscare could be shading . If the player let both Freddy and another animatronic into the Office , and when the player holds up the Monitor for a while , sometimes they will disappear and Freddy will appear in their place when the first animatronic attacks , as seen in this video References ↑ Uh , now concerning your safety , the only real risk to you as a night watchman here , if any , is the fact that these characters , uh , if they happen to see you after hours probably wo n ' t recognize you as a person . They ' ll p - most likely see you as a metal endoskeleton without its costume on . Now since that ' s against the rules here at Freddy Fazbear ' s Pizza , they ' ll probably try to . . .forcefully stuff you inside a Freddy Fazbear suit " - Phone Guy , Night 1 Characters Start a Discussion Discussions about Freddy Fazbear the replacment 6 messages MonzyMonz What ? 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http://fredjonesgraduateproject.pbworks.com/w/page/40457416/Fred%20Jones%20-%20Positive%20Classroom%20Discipline%20Model | If you are citizen of an European Union member nation , you may not use this service unless you are at least 16 years old . View Fred Jones - Positive Classroom Discipline Model Page history last edited by Abby Larson 7 years , 10 months ago Fred Jones Positive Classroom Management Rationale / Philosophy : The rationale behind Fred Jones ' s classroom management model is based upon creating a positive classroom environment that is conducive for all student learning . Jones states that " the best way to manage behavior problems is to prevent their occurrence " How it works in the classroom : Jones created a program which is based on five clusters of teacher skills that keep students productively at work , thus preventing misbehavior or allowing teachers to deal with it efficiently . The five skill clusters have to do with : classroom structure to discourage misbehavior , limit - setting through body language , using say , see , do teaching , responsibility training through incentive systems , providing efficient help to individual students . Skill Cluster 1 : Classroom Structure to Discourage Misbehavior : Jones believes a teacher should make a classroom structure that works to preventing behavior problems through Room Arrangement - jklfdjadjl Opening Routines - kljkdjfdsklj Others ideas include : Classroom Chores Classroom Rules Skill Cluster 2 : Limit - Setting through Body Language : use physical mannerisms in setting and enforcing behavior limit Physical Proximity - Presence - - Use nonverbal body language to stop kids ' misbehavior rather than addressing issues in ways that use up your teaching time . Eye contact , signals and gestures , physical proximity , facial expressions , and posture can stop misbehavior and avoid verbal confrontation . Other ideas : Proper breathing Eye contact Body carriage Skill Cluster 3 : Using Say , See , Do Teaching : Say , See , Do Teaching Teacher input - > student output - > teacher input - > student output - > Teacher input - > student output Skill Cluster 4 : Responsibility Training through Incentive Systems : It is important for teachers to incorporate effective incentives into the classrooms . Preferred Activity Time ( PAT ) Backup Systems Other ideas : Grandma ' s Rule , Student Responsibility Genuine Incentives Group Concern Ease of Implementation Omission Training Skill Cluster 5 : Providing Efficient Help to Individual Students such as efficient help through : Reducing to a minimum time used with each student individually : Jones states , " Be positive , be brief and be gone . " Other ideas include : Classroom seating Graphic reminders ( 2 ) How is misbehavior handled ? ( 3 ) What is the role of teacher in the program ? Emphasize persistent classroom organization and management Make the most of effective body language Use incentives that motivate desired behavior http : / / www . childrensministry . com / articles / model - behavior ? p = 2 How to introduce the program ? • Teaching - - Resist halting class for minor misbehavior . Use body language or call the child by name , but continue teaching . • Acknowledgment - - Do n ' t disregard misbehavior - - address it immediately , but avoid creating a disruption . • Escalation - - If a child continues to make poor behavior choices , respond by moving physically closer to the child with each escalation . • Support - - Positively interact with every child during class . • Consequences - - Have in place a series of consequences for misbehavior , including a backup system outside your classroom ( another adult , ministry leader , or parents ) . • Appropriateness - - Use appropriate responses for misbehavior - - do n ' t overreact . Understand that all kids push limits - - it ' s natural human behavior . It ' s how you respond to their pushing that ' ll set the tone for your discipline approach . • Simplicity - - Use few rules and make them very clear . Do n ' t create a rule unless you ' ll enforce it every time it ' s broken . • Clarity - - Teach rules as carefully as you teach a lesson . • Respect - - Remember that children like to be part of a well - managed classroom . Take your role seriously to maintain a learning - friendly environment . References What are the " rules " or routines set up ? How is misbehavior handled ? What is the role of teacher in the program ? What steps and / or materials does a teacher need to set up the program ? http : / / www . childrensministry . com / articles / model - behavior ? p = 2 what would be some examples you could do for opening routines in your classroom ? How to introduce the program ? • Teaching - - Resist halting class for minor misbehavior . Use body language or call the child by name , but continue teaching . • Acknowledgment - - Do n ' t disregard misbehavior - - address it immediately , but avoid creating a disruption . • Escalation - - If a child continues to make poor behavior choices , respond by moving physically closer to the child with each escalation . • Support - - Positively interact with every child during class . • Consequences - - Have in place a series of consequences for misbehavior , including a backup system outside your classroom ( another adult , ministry leader , or parents ) . • Appropriateness - - Use appropriate responses for misbehavior - - do n ' t overreact . Understand that all kids push limits - - it ' s natural human behavior . It ' s how you respond to their pushing that ' ll set the tone for your discipline approach . • Simplicity - - Use few rules and make them very clear . Do n ' t create a rule unless you ' ll enforce it every time it ' s broken . • Clarity - - Teach rules as carefully as you teach a lesson . • Respect - - Remember that children like to be part of a well - managed classroom . Take your role seriously to maintain a learning - friendly environment . ( 3 ) What is the role of teacher in the program ? Emphasize persistent classroom organization and management Make the most of effective body language Use incentives that motivate desired behavior References Printable version | [
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http://fredonia.smartcatalogiq.com/en/2014-2015/Catalog/General-Education | 2014 - 2015 Catalog > General Education MyCatalog | Add this page | Print this page Select a Catalog General Education The State University of New York is charged with furthering human development and exploring and pursuing human potential in the broadest sense . In general , the university performs this function by acting as a center for the development and dissemination of knowledge , arts , and skills . In particular , it offers an opportunity for concentrated intellectual development and training . As part of the State University of New York , Fredonia pursues these goals with its own unique resources . The university seeks to provide students with both a specialized and a general education . The specialized work prepares students in particular fields of knowledge for careers , professions , and other specific goals . But knowledge , like life , is a seamless fabric that can not be cut into separate pieces . Any special area of knowledge requires a larger context to become fully meaningful . It is the purpose of general education to provide such a context , to help students find a sense of direction and become better able to cope with a changing world , The object of a general education is to further the development of a total human being who seeks to relate learning and living , ideas and actions . Seen in this way , general education seeks to provide the basis for responsible action and to develop the habit of questioning and using questioning as a creative tool . The ability to discover and act upon their own values is a basic potential of human beings . In choosing the values by which they live , rather than having values thrust upon them , individuals create themselves . However , the freedom to choose and create comes into being only for people who have developed self - awareness , an ability to think , a minimal body of knowledge , and aesthetic sensitivity . General education seeks to help students develop all of these . General education should help students understand human society and their relationship to it . Students complete the minimal general education requirements at Fredonia within the framework of the General Education Program as prescribed by the State University of New York . General Education Program ( College Core Curriculum ) The revised General Education Program of the State University of New York at Fredonia is better aligned with the overall SUNY general education template . The categories have been renumbered and renamed to match the SUNY categories , and the former Upper Level requirement was eliminated by Senate vote during the Spring semester of 2011 . It is important to note that in the future , students will need only one Basic Communication - Oral course to meet the Basic Communication category requirements , rather than the former requirement of two Speaking Intensive courses . Approved courses , distributed as follows . For more information on approved courses in each category , the General Education Master List can be found at the following link : http : / / www . fredonia . edu / department / gened / SUNY_Fredonia_General_Education_Program . asp Category Credit Hours 1 . Mathematics : http : / / www . fredonia . edu / department / gened / mathematics . asp 3 2 . Natural Sciences : http : / / www . fredonia . edu / department / gened / naturalscience . asp ( Two courses from different disciplines ; only one may be from Mathematical Sciences or Computer & Information Sciences . Requirements for certification or licensure may be different ; check with program Advisor . ) 6 3 . Social Sciences : http : / / www . fredonia . edu / department / gened / socialsciences . asp ( Two courses from different disciplines ; only one may be from Business Administration , Education , History , Communication or Communication Disorders . ) 6 4 . American History : http : / / www . fredonia . edu / department / gened / history . asp ( Students who scored below 85 on the NYS American History and Government Regents Exam must take either HIST 105 or HIST 106 or HIST 133 to meet this category ; all other students may take a course in American History - A or American History - B . ) 3 5 . Western Civilization : http : / / www . fredonia . edu / department / gened / westciv . asp 6 . Other World Civilizations : http : / / www . fredonia . edu / department / gened / worldhistory . asp 7 . Humanities : http : / / www . fredonia . edu / department / gened / humanities . asp 8 . Arts : http : / / www . fredonia . edu / department / gened / arts . asp 9 . Foreign Languages * : http : / / www . fredonia . edu / department / gened / forlang . asp 0 - 6 To demonstrate proficiency , all students may do one of the following : Score 85 or higher on a N.Y.S. Regents Foreign Language Exam . Complete the externally - administered standardized test for foreign language of either the AP ( 3 or higher ) or CLEP ( 50th percentile or higher ) . Have native fluency of a language other than English . Study abroad with a language component ( and submit a Course Appeal / Substitution request to the Office of the Associate Provost for Curriculum , Assessment , and Academic Support prior to traveling abroad ) , or Successfully complete a 3 - 6 credit foreign language course at Fredonia in this category at the appropriate level ( 115 or 116 or 120 / 121 ) . Students enrolled in a Bachelor of Arts program must demonstrate a language proficiency at the 116 level or beyond ; in some cases this may mean also taking a 115 level course as a prerequisite . For BA students , this prerequisite course does not count as completion of this category . To demonstrate proficiency , students enrolled in some professional programs , those leading to certification in elementary or secondary education , or programs leading to careers where there is likely to be significant contact with the hearing impaired ( e.g. , Early Childhood Education , Childhood Education , Childhood Inclusive Education , Middle Childhood Education , Adolescence Education , Music Education , Communication Disorders and Sciences , Criminal Justice , Psychology , Social Work , Sociology ) , may successfully complete 3 or 6 credits of ASL ) . Inquiries related to the ASL proficiency should be directed to the Students unsure of their proficiency in any area other than ASL should consult with the Chair of the Department of Modern Languages & Literatures . Only the completion of a 115 , 116 , SPAN 120 / 121 or ASL course will earn credit hours ; all other options will fulfill this category but earn 0 credit hours . 10 . Basic Communication ( Written component ) http : / / www . fredonia . edu / department / gened / written . asp 11 . Speaking - Intensive Requirement ( Oral component of the Basic Communication requirement for SUNY ) http : / / www . fredonia . edu / department / gened / speakingguidlines . asp 0 - 3 Transfer students may receive credit in categories 1 through 11 of the General Education Program for similar courses taken at other colleges or approved advanced placement courses and exams . Any course approved for the SUNY General Education Requirements from a SUNY college or university will be accepted as a course in the corresponding Fredonia General Education Category . * With the exception of American Sign Language , the Modern Language department will use its best professional judgment in determining when students have fulfilled the learning outcomes of the foreign language requirement in ways other than those sketched above . Issues related to American Sign Language are directed to the Communications Disorders and Sciences Department or the Chair of the General Education Committee . Moreover , under appropriate circumstances , waivers of the requirement will be taken under consideration by the Associate Provost for Curriculum , Assessment , and Academic Support . Questions pertaining to the General Education Program may be directed to the Associate Provost for Curriculum , Assessment , and Academic Support , 810 Maytum Hall , ( 716 ) 673 - 3717 . 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http://freebeacon.com/culture/ambrose-bierce-went-war-never-came-back/ | How Ambrose Bierce Went to War — and Never Came Back Review : Christopher Kiernan Coleman , ‘ Ambrose Bierce And the Period of Honorable Strife ’ Ambrose Bierce / Wikimedia Commons BY : Bruce Fleming November 27 , 2016 4 : 59 am How is war reported or summarized to the people back home , in whose name it ’ s usually being fought ? How do they view the actions of those who fought it — or the war in its awful wholeness ? These are questions haunting our day , and questions obliquely considered in a new biography of Ambrose Bierce , most of whose output after his soldiering years concerned or was influenced by the Civil War he fought in . Bierce is largely forgotten as an author nowadays , except perhaps in the read - in - high - schools tale " An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge . " This story , which readers may be able to dredge up from the depths of adolescent memory , is about the execution of a Southern spy , who imagines himself having survived the hanging that ( spoiler alert ! ) at the end of the story does in fact kill him , and who in the split - second before he dies , dreams of returning to his wife and Bierce also wrote the now all but unread " Devil ’ s Dictionary , " a title later imposed on a series of definitions for common words published serially in newspapers , many of which are mordantly funny . For example , to stay with " A " words , here are several that give the tone : ABSURDITY , n . A statement or belief manifestly inconsistent with one ' s own opinion . ACADEME , n . An ancient school where morality and philosophy were taught . ACADEMY , n . [ from ACADEME ] A modern school where football is taught . What better than the first summarizes the political turmoil of our day ? And the pairing of the last two nails my own three - decade career at the U.S. Naval Academy , categorized and rated ( quite well , in fact , based on inflated claims about our selectivity ) , by the influential U.S. News and World Report , as a " liberal arts college . " USNA is thus not academe but an academy , where the superintendent recently cancelled classes to celebrate an unexpected win by our football recruits . So Ambrose Bierce is my kind of guy . Bierce had ( unlike other Civil War writers such as Stephen Crane ) actually gone to war , and so had something to write about . But Bierce ’ s attitude also seems to prefigure some of the modern disaffection for Hollywood ’ s post - World War II take on combat , marked with soaring music and tales of heroism , and also to offer a warning against sanctimonious and judgmental views of the Civil War itself . The generalization with which most " War Literature " courses start is that up to Vietnam , war is portrayed in heroic terms ; after it , not so much . Certainly the trickle , perhaps soon to be a flood , of writing occasioned by the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts is in the absurdist / critical post - Catch - 22 category ( Heller ’ s celebrated novel made such a splash because it considered World War II , a conflict considered holy , from the deprecatory viewpoint of the Vietnam generation ) . Consider David Abrams ’ s Fobbit or Ben Fountain ’ s novel ( now a movie by Ang Lee ) Billy Lynn ’ s Long Halftime Walk , or the memoirs Kaboom or Love My Rifle More Than You . To be sure , some critics have suggested that Roy Scranton ’ s more recent War Porn represents a " second wave , " more distanced than the first , which is limited by its ant ’ s - eye view of things : this is what I saw , and this , and this . It ’ s hard to write motivational literature about a loss , as almost everyone agrees Vietnam was , and which seems pretty clearly to describe Iraq and Afghanistan too . Tales of these fights contrast to the " Greatest Generation " narratives of World War II , the last great Victory we can remember — and whose aftermath seems to constitute the Golden Age of President - elect Trump . Thus when Steven Spielberg ’ s movie Saving Private Ryan came out , it was hailed as the first realistic World War II movie : remember the opening minutes where countless numbers of the motivated , pumped , scared soldiers ready to hit the beach ate a bullet and never made it off the boats . That ’ s war , folks , not the usual story of a jacked pretty boy we ’ ve followed for an hour and a half who , though perhaps making the Ultimate Sacrifice , does so in the process of taking out the enemy sniper nest and making it possible for his buddies Bierce had the luck to be on the winning side of the Civil War , in the Ninth Indiana Regiment , though having gone to school in Kentucky . In his book Ambrose Bierce and the Period of Honorable Strife Christopher Kiernan Coleman gives blow - by - blow Civil War Re - enactor - level accounts of the battles Bierce was a part of , most notably Shiloh and Nashville . ( Personally , I find these rehearsals soporific , but many others wo n ’ t . ) But Bierce also seems to have respected the Confederates he fought against : the " Owl Creek Bridge " story has as its hero a Southern spy , and Bierce later wrote a poem supporting President Chester A . Arthur ’ s decision to give back to the Confederate regiments Such a chivalrous respect - thy - enemy attitude toward the South is hard to find nowadays , when we are busy removing the Stars and Bars from state capitols , taking down statues of Confederate generals , and re - writing the story of the Civil War to suit our own contemporary sensibility . Re - reading Bierce , and this biography , reminds us that this was not — from the soldier ’ s point of view — Good vs . Evil , but a fratricidal war , with families divided , and no clear divisions in many For me , the Civil War is summed up in the photographs of the dead lying amid the cannon balls at Gettysburg made by Timothy O ’ Sullivan , one of the most famous of which is called " A Harvest of Death . " Specialists may be able to figure out which side the dead fought for from close - ups of the uniforms , but for the casual viewer , they are just dead , side be damned . Bierce ’ s attitude toward the war seems to capture some of this ambivalence . The battles recounted in Coleman suggests that the Civil War had so determined Bierce ’ s character that he willingly went to Mexico to die in another one for an equally uncertain cause . We do n ’ t know how he died , but it seems possible he was lined up against a wall and shot . At least that ’ s what he imagined , acceptingly , his fate to be . The unsettling suggestion is that while those who have been in a war may find it appalling at a rational level , it would always remain the most exciting thing And why would n ’ t it be ? Some years ago Chris Hughes compiled a book called Every Person ’ s Guide to War that answered laconic questions about war based on research . These questions ranged from the prosaic ( about recruiting and pay ) to whether one was likely to die and what it felt like ( Hughes drew from the reports of people who almost died but did n ’ t ) and then to how soldiers were likely to adapt to society once it was over ( badly ) and whether they would be in contact with their battle buddies ( probably not ) . Apparently it is n ’ t over when it ’ s over , and the And this finally is the message of this book : a few years of this and that , death and destruction , in Bierce ’ s youth , defined all his subsequent output as a writer , and led him to seek a sort of honorable suicide in yet another possibly pointless war . Nowadays we see the Union ’ s cause in the Civil War as a heroic undertaking ; Bierce did n ’ t . Did he like it ? Apparently not . Did he miss it once it was over ? This book suggests he did . My personal suggestion : do n ’ t read the wearying scholarly introduction , full of bows to previous biographers of Bierce and phrases like " it is unfortunate that " and " previous considerations of X have failed to give sufficient weight to " and " notwithstanding the fact that " which cause non - specialists to fall asleep , and to understand all too well why a man like Bierce , young and full of beans , would have volunteered to fight in 1861 . War has always seemed more interesting than the everyday , and so it This entry was posted in Culture and tagged Book reviews . Bookmark the permalink Bruce Fleming Email | Full Bio | RSS Bruce Fleming has taught English at the U.S. Naval Academy since 1987 ; his books and articles are noted on his Web site www . brucefleming . net . | [
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http://freebeacon.com/culture/review-dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/ | Review : ‘ Dawn of the Planet of the Apes ’ Grander in scope than its predecessor , sometimes - clichéd ‘ Dawn ’ sports impressive visuals BY : Sonny Bunch Follow @ SonnyBunch July 11 , 2014 5 : 00 am As far as dystopian world - building goes , Dawn of the Planet of the Apes half - succeeds . Set 10 years after Rise of the Planet of the Apes , the " Simian Flu " that broke out at the end of that film has left just one in 500 humans alive . Conflicts over food and other resources have further depleted the population . Indeed , humanity is so scarce that , as the film opens , ape - king Caesar ( Andy Serkis , in a motion - captured performance ) has not seen a homo sapiens for two years . Caesar and his tribe of intelligent apes have made a home in the redwood forests outside San Francisco . They are learning to read and write , and have come up with some rudimentary ( and familiar , to fans of the original series ) rules : " Ape not kill ape " is right at the top . They live in Swiss Family Robinson - style tree houses , are learning to talk , and seem to be getting along quite nicely . We also see them hunt . And in this early , bravura sequence — featuring dozens of apes swinging from trees , taking down deer and a ticked - off bear — we are shown how dangerous a group of intelligent apes can be . Strong , quick , and deeply protective of one another , these are not creatures to be trifled with . Humanity , of course , has not been wiped out . And the reintroduction of man and ape does not go smoothly . A group of humans attempting to repair a dam in order to power a makeshift colony in downtown San Francisco comes into conflict with Caesar and his friends . Following a brief misunderstanding , involving a scared human and a gun , the apes allow the humans safe passage to conduct their repairs . While the world building in Ape Town is quite good , we see very little of how the remnants of humanity are struggling to get by in San Francisco . We know they need power , but that ’ s about it . We do n ’ t really see how people live ; instead , we spend virtually all of our screen time in public spaces . A former military man named Dreyfus ( Gary Oldman ) is barely holding things together . He is willing to wage war on the apes if they cut off access to the Malcolm and Caesar form a bond , tearing asunder their respective communities . Caesar ’ s top lieutenant , Koba ( Tony Kebbell ) , does not trust the humans ; similarly , Dreyfus does not trust the apes . Needless to say , the clash between the humans and the apes is as inevitable as it is sad . It also devolves into cliché . There ’ s the hot - headed human who ca n ’ t help but spark a war , and the kid who demands to come on a dangerous mission just because , and the honorable doctor who saves a sick enemy in order to regain his trust . Given the originality of much of the rest of the production , the use of these narrative crutches occasionally grates . Much is forgiven , though , because director Matt Reeves ( Cloverfield Let Me In ) has an eye for striking images : A monkey perched on a pole as a tattered American flag flutters underneath him ; two apes in a clinch as a fire rages behind them ; an enraged chimp firing a M249 in each hand as he rides a galloping horse toward a human encampment . Reeves ’ camerawork also benefits from a choice to mostly ditch the shaky cam aesthetic that so dominates our action films . His shots are cleanly composed and coherently assembled , so the audience never feels lost or overwhelmed by the action . This entry was posted in Culture and tagged Movie Reviews . Bookmark the permalink Sonny Bunch Email Sonny | Full Bio | RSS Sonny Bunch is executive editor of , and film critic for , the Washington Free Beacon . A contributor to the Washington Post , Sonny ' s work has also appeared in the Wall Street Journal , the New York Post , Commentary , National Review , Decider , and elsewhere . His Twitter handle is @ SonnyBunch . | [
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http://freeccm.com/2018/10/25/news-casting-crowns-releasing-new-album-only-jesus-november-16/ | News Casting Crowns Releasing New Album Only Jesus November 16 Home Christian News News Casting Crowns Releasing New Album Only Jesus November 16 News Casting Crowns Releasing New Album Only Jesus November 16 By FreeCCMAbby Christian News 1 comment 25 October 2018 2 GRAMMYAward winning and multiPlatinum selling band Casting Crowns will be releasing the new studio album Only Jesus on November 16th A new song Nobody ft Matthew West is available everywhere and is one of six songs that will be released early from the new project before street date on November 16th Talking about the new album theme and idea behind it Casting Crowns frontman Mark Hall asks What does it look like when Jesus is our only answer The theme that continued to come up while working on these new songs was that I am not the point it is not about me it is about pointing to Him shares Hall God is already at work in our lives and He has a plan that He places us in so that others can know Him We are here to show the way to God by how we live how we react to difficult situations how we handle trials and troubled relationships Our hope is that through these songs you can see what it looks like when Jesus is Recently the band released the title track to radio and digital outlets and has already seen the impact with it jumping into the Top 15 at all AC radio charts in just four weeks Only Jesus has 35 million streams across all platforms and it has been featured on key playlists on Spotify New Music Friday New Music Friday Christian Top Christian Amazon Fresh Christian Playlist Cover Top 100 Most Played Christian Hits and Apples The AList Christian list Your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available Click here to visit our frequently asked questions about HTML5 video Casting Crowns will kick off the Only Jesus tour in early 2019 They will conclude their 2018 with the Its Finally Christmas tour with guest Hannah Kerr More dates and information coming soon about the upcoming tour For the rest of the bands 2018 tour dates click here httpcastingcrownscomtour Track Listing for Only Jesus The Bridge Nobody ft Matthew West Only Jesus In the Hands of the Potter Even When Youre Running One Awkward Moment Awaken Me One More Song For You Start Right Here The Change In Me Loved Moved First Home About Casting Crowns Prolific CCM band Casting Crowns has achieved sales milestones with more than 11 million album sold including one RIAA 2x multiPlatinum album five RIAA Platinum albums two RIAA Platinum DVDs seven RIAA Gold albums four Gold DVDs one RIAA Platinum certified single and five RIAA Gold certified digital singles The band currently holds the position as Billboards topselling act in Christian music since 2007 Casting Crowns has also been honored with four American Music Awards out of seven total nominations a GRAMMY Award for its 2005 album Lifesong and seven GRAMMY nominations In addition the group has garnered 18 GMA Dove Awards and two Billboard Music Awards from 11 total Billboard Music Award nominations Casting Crowns seven band members all remain active in student ministry in the Atlanta area and tour according to their local church commitments Serving his 25 plus years in youth ministry lead singersongwriter Mark Hall maintains his role as the student pastor at Eagles Landing First Baptist Church in Atlanta Casting Crowns Only Jesus 1 comment Luanda November 3 2018 at 1006 am I LOVE IT What a great song I dont want to leave a legacy I dont care if they remember me ONLY JESUS God bless you all and for the encouragement of these words Home Free Downloads Deals Contests Listen Christian Music News About Us Privacy Policy 2016 FREECCMCOM All Rights Reserved | [
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http://freedomcenter.org/enabling-freedom/history | Enabling Freedom History The Underground Railroad is a term for the covert network of people and places that assisted fugitive slaves as they escaped from slavery in the South . Most widespread during the three decades prior to the Civil War , this activity primarily took place in the regions bordering slave states , with the Ohio River being the center of much of the activity . Of course , Underground Railroad activity did not literally take place underground or via a railroad , nor was it an official organization with defined structure . It was simply a loose network of people who At the heart of the Underground Railroad were the beliefs of the abolitionist movement . The 18th Century Quakers , members of the Religious Society of Friends , were the first organized abolitionists , believing that slavery violated Christian principles . By the first decades of the 1800s , every state in the North had legally abolished slavery . Abolitionist ideas then spread West into the territories that would soon become Indiana and Ohio . Abolitionists firmly believed that slavery was against their Christian faith . Others considered the contradictory aspects of independence for a country that held enslaved individuals People involved with the Underground Railroad developed their own terminology to describe participants , safe places and other codes that needed to be kept secret . People who guided slaves from place to place were called " conductors . " Locations where slaves could safely find protection , food or a place to sleep were called " safe houses " or " stations . " Those who hid fugitive slaves in their homes , barns or churches were called " station masters . " Slaves who were in the safekeeping of a conductor or station master were " cargo . It is important to realize that while conductors and fugitive slaves were participating on the Underground Railroad , all of their actions were illegal . The federal government had passed Fugitive Slave Acts as early as 1793 that allowed slave catchers to come north and force runaways back into slavery . By the 1830s and 1840s , these laws were expanded in reaction to increased Underground Railroad activity . With the passage of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 , assisting or helping hide fugitive slaves became a federal offense , making all Underground Railroad activity subject to six months Click here for more information about the Rankin House Click here to learn about the Roads to Freedom | [
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http://freedomwritersmediamyths.weebly.com/analysis.html | Marcus Every day I worry when will I be free Marcus is an African American In the begging of the movie he is portrayed as angry with life and he keeps himself from others When he was a little kid his best friend killed himself with a gun the police blamed him for the accident because of his color and he spent the rest of his childhood in juvinile hall This makes him hateful and guilty which later results in his mom kicking him out of the house What changes his life is reading the Anne Franks Diary and meeting Miep Gies who he finds to be a hero This Erin Gruwell So you hate me You dont even know me Mrs G as her class calls her is a white young sweet teacher Her students dont like her at first sight because she seems to know nothing about their street lives and she actually expects them to work in her class Mrs Gruewell might seem innocent at first but she knows so much more than what anyone expects She does amazing things for her classroom trips gifts etc and refuses to give up on those student who everyone lost hope in She doesnt fit the stereotype of the others because she doesnt give up on people like the other teachers and even the students do Eva Benitez I dont even know how this war started Its just two sides that tripped each other way back Who cares about the history behind it I am my fathers daughter and when they call me to testify I will protect my own no matter what Eva is a Mexican teenager portrayed as a mature rebellious strong young woman She had to grow up fast since they took her dad to jail She then joined a gang She will protect her own family or gang with her life because she believes dying for this will bring her honor She becomes puzzled when she has to either betray her own people and save an innocent young man from jail or lie to protect her own and betray what she believes is right In the beggining Eva portrays the stereotypical Chola She is a gangster since she was a little girl she wears golden hoops in her ears She doesnt seem to care about school and she is Mexican Andre Bryant Justice doesnt mean the bad guy goes to jail it just means that someone pays for the crime He is an African American He isolates himself from his other classmates He is very resentful inside because his brother is going to be taken to jail His mom is in big depression since his father left them also He seems to be a drug dealer to support his family At first he seems to want to leave it since he is involved in school but after learning his brother was found guilty he goes into the business again Society often views African Americans as drug dealers and gang members Andre portrays this stereotype Sindy I feel like I have to protect my family Sindy is a Cambodian refugee she seems cold and tough and she probably knows how to fight The reasons she is like that is because it seems like her father has tried to beat her and her mother One of her friends gets killed by Evas boyfriend and she doesnt seem to like the latino group or any of the other groups in her English class Like many Cambodian refugees she portrays a girl who is thug She has learned more from the streets than from her house or school she is also a darker shade of Asian as people stereotype combodians as dirty Asians Ben I was afraid of just being in this class but not anymore And I must have some kind of courage I could have lied to get out of this class but I stayed I stayed Ben is the only white person in his English classroom He never speaks much in fear of the other gang members in his class He prefers to sit in the front of the classroom with the teacher He is sometimes picked on by his classmates He doesnt get in fight he doesnt seem to be in a gang and has never been shot like most of his classmates have He seems very moved when they learned how in the freedom ride one white man let himself be beaten to save the others he identifies himself with that man and he Ben portrays the stereotype of a typical white boy because he isnt a trouble maker like the other in his class White people are often seen as goodie two shoes and as more civilized than other races Jamal At sixteen Ive seen more bodies than a mortician Every time I step out my door I face the risk of being shot To the rest of the world its just another dead body on a street corner They dont know that he was my friend Young careless african american He always seems to be making jokes about other people even the teacher He seems to be careless and rude He shows a different side of himself when the whole class makes fun of him with a drawing of him one of his classmates did People dont know that behind all his jokes he has lost many friends in the gang fights and he could be killed at anytime Jamal is stereotyped as the immature teenager who doesnt seem to care about school nor the others How does this affect communication This affect communication because since every person has their own way to stereotype the others 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http://freefrombroke.com/what-is-adjusted-gross-income-agi-and-how-does-it-affect-your-taxes/ | You Are Here Home Taxes What is Adjusted Gross Income AGI and How Does it Affect Your Taxes What is Adjusted Gross Income AGI and How Does it Affect Your Taxes Written by Glen Craig 9 Comments Share We toss different terms around to describe our incomes one of which is adjusted gross income but what exactly is adjusted gross income AGI and is it an accurate way to describe what we make What is Adjusted Gross Income In its simplest form adjusted gross income or AGI is the broadest measure of income from all sources but its also reduced by certain expenses This is where the term adjusted figures into AGI Because the income reduced and because certain income isnt taxable its not accurate to say that AGI describes total income in any way AGI isnt really a general description of income so much as its a term specific to income taxes Its your income as the Internal Revenue Service sees it and wants us to report it It is everything that is reported on page one of IRS Form 1040 But even if it isnt an objective measure of income it still has major implications at least as it relates to income taxes AGI summarizes all of your income sources One of the things AGI does do is to summarize and total all of your taxable income This is the highest amount of income that IRS taxes not your total income It includes major sources of income from the following Wages salaries and tips Adjusted Gross Income or AGI is a term you see often when doing your taxes But what is it Interest and dividends Taxable state income tax refunds Alimony Business income Capital gains and losses as well as other gains and losses IRA and pension distributions Income from rents royalties partnerships S corporations and trusts Farm income Unemployment compensation Social Security Any other form of reportable income As complete as this list seems there are income sources that are either excluded or only partially included in the total number For example while you will report tax exempt interest income on your tax return it wont be included in your final AGI Social Security and pension income are also reported on your tax return but both may be only partially taxableor not taxable at alland will not be included in your final AGI If were talking real world income AGI is rarely a complete number A better description of total income actually is found on the 2011 1040 at Line 22 Combine the amounts in the far right column for lines 1 through 21 This is your total income Its important to remember however that this is your total income for tax purposes only and not your absolute total income AGI includes above the line expenses AGI includes not only your total taxable income but also allows you to reduce that income with the use of certain preferential deductions The greater the deductions the lower your taxable income the lower your tax will be Good deal Absolutely Some of the expenses that get deducted as part of AGI include Health savings accounts Moving expenses The deductible portion of selfemployment tax FICA taxes Selfemployed retirement plans Selfemployed health insurance Alimony paid Allowable IRA deductions Student loan interest One of the advantages of AGI deductions is that they apply whether or not you itemize your taxes We sometimes hear the terms above the line or below the line when it comes to income tax deductions and here is where that term comes from The line in this case is the AGI total Above the line refers to deductions that are part of AGI or more simply that appear on 1040 Page 1 Below the line refers to deductions that appear on Schedule A Itemized Deductions The differences between the two deductions are more significant than where they appear on the tax return AGI is used as the basis line in many tax calculations AGI is mostly a tax term but its one that has broad implicationsat least within the tax universe AGI is used as a base number for other calculations throughout the tax code but there are two in particular that affect most taxpayers The first is as a baseline for itemized deduction reductions on Schedule A of the federal income tax return Certain itemized deductions only count when they exceed a certain percentage of AGI Medical deductions are oneyou can only deduct them to the extent that they exceed 75 of AGI Another is unreimbursed employee business expenses and other miscellaneous deductionsthey can only be deducted to the extent that they exceed 2 of AGI The second major tax category that is affected by AGI is state income tax calculations Most states base taxable income on federal AGI and often federal itemized deductions but changes occur for those who dont itemize States usually set different allowances for personal exemptions and for standard deductions Some have deductions beyond their standard deductions as well But it all starts with federal AGI and works its way down from there What is your understanding of 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http://freefrombroke.com/what-is-income-investing/ | You Are Here : Home Investing What is Income Investing ? What is Income Investing ? Published or updated March 28 , 2013 by Miranda 2 Comments One of the ways you can improve your financial stability and freedom is by cultivating income diversity Income diversity means that , rather than relying on a single source of income , you actually develop different income streams . One way that you can increase your income streams is through income investing . Income Investing : The Basics For the most part , income investing is just what it sounds like . You build an investment portfolio that provides you regular income . The returns you get are not received at some future date far in the future . Instead , you receive a regular stream of income from your investments . This money can be used for everyday expenses . The idea behind income investing is to to create a situation in which you are able to get a reasonable income stream at a fairly low risk . Income investing is n ’ t about generating a huge return that results in you making it big . Income investing is about get a regular source of money that you can use to pay bills , buy groceries or just put into your emergency fund . When you use income investing as part of a plan for income diversity , the point its to create a source of income that can help sustain you if your main source of income ( aka your day job ) falls through . If you lose your primary income , your income portfolio can help support you , reducing your need to tap into emergency funds or borrow as much . Investments for an Income Portfolio When it comes to the investments you put in your portfolio , it is important to be choosy . The idea is not to generate fantastic returns ( although this might happen ) , but to create a steady income stream . There are two main types of investments that are thought of for income investing : Dividend paying stocks : These are stocks that pay regular dividends . You receive a regular payment that represents a portion of the profits earned by the company in which you hold stock . Bonds : You can receive regular interest payments when you invest in some bonds . This includes Treasuries , corporate bonds and municipal bonds . With the rise of person to person lending , more people are beginning to add P2P loans to their income portfolios . If you do use P2P lending as an income investment , it is important to be very careful of which notes you buy , and consider lending only to those with the best credit . There are risks to any income investing portfolio . Companies may reduce the dividends they pay out . There may be a default on the bonds that you invest in . When choosing investments for an income portfolio , it is important to choose instruments that you are familiar with , and that have a long history of stability . Bottom Line For someone looking to diversify income , income investing can be helpful . You can begin creating a regular income stream . Income investing works best when you have a large chunk of capital to start with , but if you do n ’ t it is possible to build an income portfolio up over time , with the help of dollar cost averaging . The goal of income investing should be to create a relatively stable source of income — not to try to garner huge returns . What are your thoughts on income investing ? Filed Under : Investing Tagged With : Income income investing Investment Portfolio ( finance ) About Miranda Miranda is a freelance writer and professional blogger specializing in financial topics . Her work appears on numerous financial sites , including Wise Bread and Huffington Post . Miranda ' s blog is Planting Money Seeds This site uses Akismet to reduce spam . Learn how your comment data is processed | [
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http://freegogpcgames.com/1478/doom-ii-final-doom/ | Home Action Doom II Final Doom Doom II Final Doom September 23 2016 freegogpcgames Action Horror Shooter 9 Doom II Final Doom DRMFree PC Game Full Download Gog Games Title Doom II Final Doom Genre Shooter FPP Scifi Works on Windows XP Vista 7 8 10 Languages Audio and text English Features singleplayer multiplayer Released May 5 1994 Company id Software Bethesda Softworks LLC Description Screen Shots System Requirements Game Trailer About this game After days of fighting on Mars and in hell you successfully defeated the demon forces and stopped the invasion Though your efforts are marred by being the last survivor of the bloody massacre you are nevertheless hailed as a hero Surely that entitles you to some well deserved RR right Not if those demonic bastards have anything to say about it Landing on Earth following your discharge you open your pod to a world of fire and blood as the demons have invaded your homeworld With everyone being killed or mutated to extinction its up to you to do what The highly anticipated sequel to DOOM this GOG release brings not only DOOM II but the expansions Master Levels of DOOM and Final DOOM With more vast and polished levels more enemies and more weapons DOOM II expands the DOOM universe and provides an even more thrilling experience for fans of the series The game and expansions were ported to multiple systems over the years and like its predecessor it continues to have a thriving modding and multiplayer community to this day Undoubtedly a fine edition to the franchise these campaigns will have you blasting the demons out of Earth 5 difficulties 9 weapons including the newly added Combat Shotgun New enemies including Former Commandos Mancubus Hell Knights and much more Hours of replayability with over 80 levels included Download Here Size 209 MB Doom II GOG Size 2652 MB Final DOOM GOG Please note that you need uTorrent to download the game If you are kind enough please dont forget to share Doom II Final Doom DRMFree Doom II Final Doom Free PC Game Doom II Final Doom Full Download Previous article 9 Comments on Doom II Final Doom Hawktech March 12 2017 at 240 pm Small request can you guys do Doom 3 Reply freegogpcgames March 18 2017 at 817 am There are no Doom 3 gog version Reply Hawktech March 13 2017 at 655 am Your site is the only one I trust is it possible for you to do Doom 3yes the one from 04 Im looking to finish out my doom nostalgic collection Please and thank you Reply freegogpcgames March 18 2017 at 819 am We can only post gog games here sorry we didnt find any on gog website but dont worry we will surely post the game if it becomes available Reply Eat Shit and Die March 8 2018 at 400 am Obvious fucking virus is obvious Reply freegogpcgames March 12 2018 at 1050 pm Are you sure We tested this and didnt encounter any Reply Ad009 ZA001 October 7 2018 at 528 am Thank you for providing this game for free Reply freegogpcgames October 7 2018 at 1003 pm You are welcome Reply Ad009 ZA001 October 7 2018 at 540 am Thank you for providing these games free of cost Reply | [
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http://freelancefolder.com/distractions-what-they-really-mean/ | Distractions : What They Really Mean May 17 , 2010 by Alexis Rodrigo Distractions are a big problem for the self - employed , self - managing freelancer . Because of distractions , we waste our precious time . Our productivity is diminished . Rushing to meet deadlines means we enjoy life less . Ultimately , distractions reduce our profitability . We do n ’ t like that . Freelancers want to squeeze the most work from every minute that we ’ re working . Therefore , the sooner we can become the bosses of our distractions , the better for us . Internal vs External Distractions As we ’ ve learned from the Pomodoro Technique , there are two main types of distractions : external and internal . External distractions are pretty much out of our control . They arise from our environment in the form of a person or a situation demanding our attention ( such as , in my case , a toddler who wants a snack ) . Other examples of external distractions are : the phone ringing your neighbor coming over unexpectedly a package arriving at your door a fire suddenly starting in your kitchen your dog whining to be let out External distractions are unexpected and unpredictable , and you have limited control over them . However , you can manage them in a way that causes the least disruption in your work , as you ’ ll see later on . Internal distractions arise from our own minds and therefore originate from ourselves . These are thoughts that spring forth while we ’ re in the middle of typing a sentence . Thoughts like : “ I wonder how many RTs I have now . ” “ I should check my email . ” “ I ’ m hungry for a snack . ” “ Let ’ s see what ’ s on TV . ” In many cases , internal distractions are little ways we sabotage ourselves and keep ourselves from doing our work . It ’ s in every freelancer ’ s best interest to get to the root of his or her internal distractions and learn how to avoid them , minimize them , or eliminate them altogether . But , how ? What Internal Distractions Really Mean I ’ m no psychologist , but I will venture some theories on why we distract ourselves . All this comes from my experience of battling my inner demons every single day . Read them and see if you agree : You ’ re afraid . You distract yourself because of fear … of failing , of succeeding , of finishing , of moving on . I know that every time I sit down to write a sales letter , I wonder if I ’ m going to produce a dud . I wonder if my client will really sell stuff with the words I ’ m writing . I ’ ve been writing sales letters for two years and I still feel this fear . I hear you never really get over it . You ’ re bored . You distract yourself , because you ’ re not enjoying what you ’ re doing anymore . Sure , you started freelancing so you could do what you love , be it writing , designing , coding or whatever else . Honestly , when you ’ re doing it for somebody else , it can be a drag sometimes . Besides , we ’ d rather play than work . It ’ s totally understandable . You ’ re resisting . I ’ m currently reading The War of Art , and author Steven Pressfield says resistance is a negative force that prevents us from doing anything “ that rejects immediate gratification in favor of long - term growth , healthy , or integrity . ” Its only purpose is to keep us from moving to our higher nature . You feel inadequate . Another reason you may be sabotaging yourself is because you do n ’ t feel up to the task . Perhaps you think you ’ re not good enough , you ’ re ill prepared , or not as good as the others . You ’ re doing the wrong thing . This is where I going to get airy - fairy - woo - woo on you . I ca n ’ t really explain it , but sometimes , I believe our intuition is telling us NOT to do something , because it is n ’ t in our best interest to do it . Let me give you an example of that last point . I once had a big project for one of my regular clients . For some reason , I was feeling a big resistance to doing it . I wanted to do it . I would sit in front of my computer and try to work on it , but there would always be this block , so that it felt like I was running uphill . A couple of days later , I get an email from my client telling me he has decided to go in a different direction , and gives me a new set of instructions . See what I mean ? It ’ s like my subconscious knew what was going to happen and was trying to stop me from pouring work into the project – work that would become useless because of the changes my client wants . This has happened to me enough times that I believe in it completely . However , you do n ’ t have to . Most importantly , do n ’ t use this thinking as an excuse for not getting your work done . Now that we have a better idea of where distractions come from , the next question is : what do we do with them ? Managing External Distractions For external distractions , you have several options : Protect yourself from them . You accomplish this by getting your phone off the hook and letting your answering machine take care of your calls . You can also turn off the email notifications on your computer . Shut yourself in your home office , away from other people , the refrigerator , and entertainment devices . You can even use apps to keep external distractions at bay Handle distractions as quickly and unobtrusively as possible . I like the two - minute rule by David Allen of Getting Things Done . If you can do something in two minutes or less , then do it . However , if something comes up that requires more of your time and attention , then simply add it to your to - do list . Include a date and time when it needs to get done . If it ’ s more urgent and needs your attention now , then you ’ ll just have to drop what you ’ re doing and switch to the emergency . Being the Boss of Your Internal Distractions Internal distractions are not as easily managed as external ones . But , it is possible . Here are five techniques you can use : For fear : Train yourself to forge ahead in spite of your fears . Remind yourself that you will make mistakes , and that you will have duds . So what ? Nobody ’ s perfect . You learn from your mistakes and move on . For boredom : Reward yourself . Bribe yourself with a small reward after you complete your work . Or , reward yourself first . Take a break and do something fun for a limited time and then get back to work . ( The operational word here is “ limited . ” Set a timer for your break . ) For resistance : Act like a professional . According to Pressfield , you just have to treat your work as a job . You know , show up every day , put in the time , and just do it ! For feeling inadequate : Give it your best shot . What else can you do ? Just do your best with the task at hand . And then go out and get better . Get training , seek more opportunities to apply your skills . Remember , the more you do , the better you get . For doing the wrong thing : Wait and see . If your deadline permits , just stop and do something else . Sleep on it . Let your subconscious work on the project while you ’ re asleep . Maybe something will turn up to let you know that you should n ’ t have done the task in the first place . Maybe not . Either way , leave yourself time to get the task done promptly . Bonus Tip The ultimate distraction buster is to remember your “ reasons why . ” Why did you become a freelancer ? Why did you choose to work at home ? Why did you quit your job ? When I do n ’ t feel like working , I just look at my three kids and my hubby , and I remember my Four Reasons Why . It ’ s all I need to get myself back into action . How Do You Do It ? What are your biggest distractions ? Where do you think they come from ? And how do you handle them ? I ’ d love to hear your thoughts ! Image by Leonid Mamchenkov Filed Under : Productivity Tagged With : freelancing distractions freelancing productivity how to handle distractions | [
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By Randy Duermyer Updated March 14 , 2019 Approximately 57 million Americans were freelancing in 2017 , and if trends continue , over half of American ' s will freelancing by 2027 , according to an article in Forbes . Some of those are full - time freelancers ; others are still holding down a 9 - 5 job , but doing side hustles in their free time . The proliferation of such part - time and freelance work has people talking about a new kind of labor market : The Gig Economy . Interested in joining the gig economy and earning money outside the context of a full - time job ? Here ' s what you need to know about freelancing . What Is Freelancing ? When it comes to alternative work situations , there are many terms thrown around such as freelancer , contractor , telecommuter and more . While similar , there are some differences . A freelancer is a self - employed person who offers services to clients . These services are often , though not necessarily , are offered to businesses , though the proliferation of sharing economy apps like TaskRabbit and Mechanical Turk . However , individuals can offer their services directly to clients , without third - party resources that often take a cut of the pay . Nearly every type of service needed by most businesses could be provided by a freelancer . Some of the most common freelance opportunities include : Accounting / Bookkeeping Graphic Design Marketing Project Management Social Media Manager Teaching / Tutoring Virtual Assistant Web Design / Development Writing Some freelancers focus in general ares , such as those listed above , while others focus on specific industries , such as real estate assistant , or niche skills such as PPC copywriter . Freelance income varies depending on the skills offered , your experience , and the market you ' re targeting . In general , freelancers earn anywhere form $ 10 to $ 75 per hour . Skills that require more education or experience , such as accounting or website coding , generally pay more than skills that do n ' t require as much . Ask yourself what you ' re good at . What is it that you do better than just about anyone else ? In what areas do you excel ? Can businesses or individuals use your skills ? The Advantages of Freelancing © The Balance , 2018 Freelancing can be a fast and affordable way to get started working as your own boss , often from the comfort of home . Other perks of freelancing include : Set your own hours . Freelancing is flexible . You can often work full - or part - time on projects of your choice . Work where you want . If you ' d like to be location independent in your career , freelancing is great portable option for those want to be a lifestyle entrepreneur Be an independent contractor . Although clients can — and usually will — set specifications for the work they want done , a freelancer is still an independent contractor , not an employee . You ' d be free to control how the work is completed . Of course , if your clients do n ' t like the final product , you might find yourself out of a gig . Get paid what you ' re worth . Freelancing allows you to set your own price for your services , which is often higher than what you ' d make as an employee doing the same work . Make sure you charge enough to cover your overhead and to compensate you fairly for the time it will take you to do the work . Affordable to get started . If you have the ability to provide a certain service , you most likely also already have the equipment or software you need to deliver it . You should n ' t face steep startup costs . There ' s a high demand for help . Although the freelance marketplace is competitive , the need for quality , reliable freelancers is growing . Many businesses do n ' t have employees these days . They rely upon a team of freelancers instead . Currently , this trend is growing as freelancers cost less to businesses than employees do , even if they pay a higher rate because they do n ' t have payroll fees or benefits . You can pick and choose your clients . You ' ll probably want to take on any client who will hire you when you ' re starting out , but you also have the option not to take on difficult clients , especially as you grow . You can even fire them You might pay less in taxes . The IRS treats employees and independent contractors quite differently . Thanks to recent tax law changes , employees can no longer deduct unreimbursed work - related expenses — but independent contractors can . You can deduct business expenses from your earnings on IRS Schedule C to reduce your taxable income . Increased work / life balance and overall happiness . When you can pick and choose what you do and when you do it , as well as what you ' re paid and who you work with , you feel more balanced and happy in your life . The Disadvantages of Freelancing Freelancing is n ' t perfect for everyone , and not everyone is suited to it . Here are a few of the downsides : Your clients have schedules , too . Yes , you can set your own hours for the most part , but if a client can only see you at dawn on Tuesday , you ' ll need to get up with the crows . You likely will need work within deadlines as well . The work is n ' t always consistent . This is particularly the case if you ' re offering one - and - done services , like creating a certain product . You turn the finished product over to your client , and that ' s the end of it — you have to find a new client who wants your product so you can create another one and be paid for it . More seasoned freelancers can avoid this issue by finding clients with a substantial volume of consistent work , and impressing them so that they become regular vendors or service providers . A freelance writer , You probably wo n ' t be super - successful overnight . Getting enough clients to support yourself and your family through freelancing can take a while , and many freelancers experience an ebb and flow in their work . You ' ll have to plan for lean times and be ready to work hard to deliver work on time when work is plentiful . Breaking in with lower costs might be necessary , but find clients willing to pay for quality as quickly as possible . Managing multiple clients and projects can be a challenge . Although some people like the variety of working on several projects at once , others might find it difficult to keep track of deadlines . You have to pace yourself to produce and deliver quality work on time . Great time management systems and organization are key . You ' re in charge of all aspects of your freelancing career including invoicing , bookkeeping , marketing . In essence , you need more skills than just the ability to the work you ' re freelancing . Unless you can hire people to take care of these tasks , you need to take care of them on top of delivering your service . You ' ll have to pay for your own benefits . You ' ll lose out on perks like employer - sponsored healthcare and retirement plans . Depending on the work you do , there might be professional associations that you can join to get group health insurance rates . You ' ll have to pay self - employment tax . This is the flip side of paying taxes on less income . When you work for someone else , your employer pays half your Medicare and Social Security taxes , but now you effectively are your employer . You ' ll have to pay both halves . This is commonly referred to as the self - employment tax . Getting Started as a Freelancer Getting started as a freelancer can be as easy as visiting one of the freelance sites to find work and networking within your current sphere of influence to find your first client . Consider using a freelance site , such as Freelancer . com or Upwork to find work . They might pay less than you want , but this can be a great way to get your name out there and to get testimonials and referrals Beyond using freelance sites , to set up a freelance business you should : Decide what services you ' ll offer . Will be you a gereralist in your area or specialize ? For example , will you offer social media management on most platforms or focus on one , such as being a Pinterest marketing manager . Determine your target market Who needs what you have to offer ? This is the time to decide your brand and your unique selling proposition . This is also the time to decide if you ' ll focus on a specific industry . For example , will you offer virtual support services to Realtors , or will you offer your services across industries . Decide your rates . Setting the right price is a balance of getting what you ' re worth while being attractive to clients . Price too low , you may suggest your work does n ' t have value and you might not earn enough . Price too high , and you may not have people willing to pay you . While you may have an hourly charge , many freelance projects may be one - offs ( a single time limited project ) in which the client will want an estimate of the total job . Other freelancers have ongoing clients that pay a regular rate or Create an online portfolio . Build a profile that promotes what you have to offer . Eventually , you ' ll want to invest in business - building tools , such as a website that can offer you more customization and flexibility , but LinkedIn is free and it ' s a great online resume that can help you promote your service . You might also consider Portfoliobox , SquareSpace , and Journo Porfolio . Market your services . There are many low cost and free ways to market your freelance business and attract clients . Some options include networking on social media , offering a free consultation , asking for referrals , and email marketing . Taxes , Insurance , and Money Issues When you ' ve got a job , most of the " money stuff " is taken care of . Your get a regular paycheck without having to ask ; your taxes are deducted automatically ; and insurance is likely also taken care of through your employer . Things are different when you ' re on your own . Taxes : Independent contractors do n ' t have their taxes deducted automatically , but they still have to pay them . Usually when you sign on with a new freelance client , you ' ll need to fill out a W - 9 tax form so that your client can report what they paid you to the government . You should also be keeping track of your earnings over the course of the year , determining roughly how much you owe in taxes as the year goes , and then making those estimated tax payments on a quarterly basis . On the bright side , being a business owner means that those expenses you incur as part of your business operations can be deducted from your taxable income . This includes things like your Internet service or any tools and resources you need to do your freelance work . If you work from home , you can be eligible for the home office deduction that allows you deduct some of your mortgage and utilities as part of doing business . Talk to an experienced tax preparer about how you can deduct those costs on your return . Getting paid : This can be one of the more frustrating and time - consuming aspects of freelancing . When you start a new gig , in most cases you ' ll want to have a contract specifying the terms of your relationship with the client , the deliverables , and the compensation , If the client does n ' t have a standard contract for their vendors and service providers , you might need to draw one up yourself . This will likely also involve negotiating the rate you ' ll be paid . Some businesses will have a standard rate they pay to their contractors ; some contractors will have a standard rate they charge clients . If those numbers are far apart , then be prepared to negotiate . And be prepared to walk away if they do n ' t meet your standard . The work does n ' t end when you agree on a rate and draw up a contract . In many cases you ' ll need to produce and send an invoice for all the work that you do , either on a monthly basis or every time you submit work to the client . Because there are dud clients , you ' ll want to have a system for getting payment from clients that are late or do n ' t pay . Insurance and benefits : If you ' re a full - time freelancer , then you ' re on your own for benefits . While you can get get lower cost insurance through associations you may belong to , they ' re not deducted from your paycheck as you have in a job . Note , there self - employment health care deductions that you might be eligible for . You ' re also on your own for setting up your retirement , but there are special self - employed retirement options What it all comes down to is that being a freelancer and working in the gig economy means taking a lot of responsibility for your own finances , whether that ' s negotiating your pay , finding insurance , or paying taxes . But if you love the freedom , flexibility , and earning potential that comes with being independent , then freelancing is an ideal situation . Continue Reading + | [
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~florey/names.html | GERMAN NAMING PRACTICES AND FLORY / FLORA NAMES Knowledge of German naming practices and some of the reasons behind various spellings of the Flory / Flora name can be of invaluable help in tracing your particular Flory / Flora / Florea / Florey family line . Here are a few things that should be helpful to keep in mind when you are attempting to locate your ancestors . MIDDLE NAMES When German boys or girls were baptized , they were generally given middle names , although , at times , they were not . When they were given a middle name , however , they were known by that name and not by their first name for the rest of their lives . For example , one of the three brothers from the E - line who immigrated here in 1754 was baptized as Nicholas Adolph Flohri . However , he was subsequently called Adolph , not Nicholas . The only time German first names ever appeared again on official documents was in the Kirchenbuchs or church registries , and here the first name was always accompanied by the middle name . Even the Kirchenbuchs would frequently omit the first names of individuals in favor of middle names when they listed marriages and deaths . There are instances where a family would give every boy in the family the first name of Johannes . This was not a problem , however , because each child would be known by his middle name . Thus Johannes George , Johannes Michael , and Johannes Peter would be known as George , Michael , and Peter respectively . Another one of the three brothers from the E - Line It is clear that the immigrant father of the C - Line , Joseph Flory , who immigrated in 1733 , did not have a middle initial " J , " as some assume . Germans of the period never used middle initials . If Joseph were baptized with a middle name ( and we do n ' t know that he necessarily was ) , that middle name would have to have been Joseph . What Walter Bunderman and others assumed to be Joseph ' s middle initial , that of " J , " in the ship ' s registry of the Hope in 1733 was not an initial but a checkmark , or Joseph ' s mark , indicating that he was illiterate , as many German immigrants of the period were . WOMEN ' S NAMES ENDING IN - " IN " Most German parishes automatically added " - in " to the family name when they recorded a girl ' s name in their baptismal records . Thus , if a father ' s last name was Hahn , any daughter born to him would be recorded as " Hahnin . " Johannes Flohri , immigrant father of the E - 1 line , married a " Christina Hahnin . " Anyone attempting to locate her father , however , should look for the presence of a " Hahn , " which is a common German name , and not a The same naming practice followed a woman through marriage . Thus a woman who married into a Flory family would go by the name of " Florin , " not " Flory . " Not all German parishes necessarily followed this practice , but most did . You do find the same naming pattern among some of the early German immigrants , but it seems to have died out quickly . NAMING CHILDREN AFTER RELATIVES Genealogists often point out that certain names such as George , Leonhardt , or Jacob tend to run throughout a family . Thus , if you are attempting to connect two family lines , it sometimes is helpful to see what names they have in common . One naming practice that some German families of the period followed was to name the first born son after the father ' s father and the first born girl after the mother ' s mother . This was not a universal practice , however , and any hypothetical speculation about a missing ancestor that you do based upon this pattern should be exercised with caution . The immigrant father of the C - line , Joseph , had a son named Joseph , who was probably the first born male in the family . If , the father , was naming his son after anyone in his family it would have been after his own father and not after himself . THE FLORY / FLORA / FLOREA / FLOREY NAME Many Florys / Floras assume that their ancestors were ultimately French and that their family name derives from the French " Fleury " or " LaFleur . " While it is very probable that many Flory families today were ultimately " Fleurys , " there may be other sources for the name . It is even possible , I suppose , that at least some " Fleurys " derived from one of these sources rather than the other way around . The name of Flory / Flora in Germany was often spelled " Flori , " a spelling that has close associations with Switzerland . Probably the largest concentration of Flori families in all of Europe prior to the mid - eighteenth century was in the Canton of Solothurn in Switzerland near the French border . Given the proximity of Solothurn to France , it is possible that the Swiss " Flori " came from the French Fleury and that all Floris are ultimately of French blood . Still , the Swiss name " Flori " goes back to at least " Fleury " allegedly means " from the land of flowers , " and suggests to some the precise part of France the family derives from . " Fleury , " however , may derive from " Flori " with the name becoming " French " as some members of the family may have moved westward from Switzerland . In other words , " Fleury " from " Flori " rather than the other way around . Or the names " Fleury " and " Flori " could have come from separate , distinct sources . Because of the similarity There are other possibilities . The Swiss Dictionnaire Historique and Bibliographique de la Suisse " traces the name " Flori " back to " Fluri " and ultimately " Florin , " a noble family of the Canton ( state ) of Grison in the 16th Century . While this could be a source , it is not the only source , as the name appears a bit earlier in Solothurn . George F . Jones in " German - American Names " postulates that the original source of " Flori " is St . Florian . Others who agree believe that when Europe was Christianized many families changed their pagan HOW DOES " FLORY " BECOME " FLORA " ? Many of the early Florys were illiterate , and while they could pronounce their surname , they could not spell it . They were thus left at the mercy of various redactors ( priests , ship hands , lawyers , public servants , etc . ) when it came to recording their names . Some of these recorders were very educated and some not . At any rate , it is relatively easy to understand why there should be so many current spellings of " Flory " as Flori , Florea , Florey , Flurry , Flury , Florie , But if the " ee " sound is so important , how does " Flora " come into play ? There are multiple causes , but the main one is regional dialect . To generalize a little bit , there is a tendency within many Southern dialects to reduce vowel sounds at the end of a word or name to what is termed a " schwa " or an " uh " sound , spelled " a . " Thus , when Thomas Flora came from England to America in 1721 , the spelling of his name as " Flurry When the 1754 emigrant from Birkenau , Adolph Flohri , landed in Pennsylvania , he obviously pronounced his name with the " ee " sound . When he moved to Virginia , his name was generally recorded as " Flora , " even in his will . The fact that the family still considered themselves as " Flor " ee " s for a generation or so , however , is indicated by what happens to the spelling of the name when several of Adolph ' s children moved to Illinois - - even today it appears as " Florey The idea that " Flory " is Northern and " Flora " is Southern is not entirely universal . The spelling of " Flurry " still occurs today in parts of the South , and a few of the descendants of Johannes Flohri ( Adolph ' s brother ) spell their name as " Flora , " despite the fact that they lived and died in Northampton County , Pennsylvania , a " Flory " stronghold . Apparently the spelling of " Flora , " while rare , is not unknown in Germany , although it may be due to One visitor to this site recently queried why the name of the son of the immigrant father of the C - Line appears here as " Jacob Flory , " when both Walter Bunderman and Joel Cephus Flora in their books on the family spell his name as " Jacob Flora . 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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gowenrf/Gowenms098.htm | OKLAHOMA The U . S . government and the five civilized tribes , Cherokee , Choctaw , Chickasaw , Creek and Seminole were required by Congress to come together and work out an equitable solution to the “ Indian problem ” which had troubled all parties for many years . Kent Carter thoroughly researched the work of the Dawes Commission and the work it did to strive for equity in hia " The Dawes Commission and the Allotment of the Five Civilized Tribes , 1893 - 1914 . ” In his preface he wrote : “ In 1893 Congress authorized the establishment of an organization that became known as the Dawes Commission . The hope was that the commission could persuade the governments of the Five Civilized Tribes to negotiate themselves out of existence — an essential first step in implementing a policy of allotting land to each individual Indian . Allotment was supposed to promote assimilation into the dominant culture , clear the way for converting Indian Territory into a state , and satisfy powerful groups seeking opportunities for economic development and profit . However , when the tribal governments refused to cooperate in The human tragedy that resulted from the federal government ’ s allotment policy has been eloquently described by Angie Debo in “ And Still the Waters Run ; ” it would be very difficult to improve on her narration of those events . This study focuses instead on the organization and procedures of the Dawes Commission in hopes of clarifying how enrollment and allotment decisions were made and implemented . Almost two - thirds of the more than three hundred thousand people who applied for enrollment were rejected . Genealogists , family historians , and lawyers have been trying for almost one hundred years to understand how the government determined who was and was not eligible . Determination of Indian identity involves factors such as cultural values , social A study of the Dawes Commission ’ s activities shows that it is much harder to implement a policy than it is for Congress to formulate it ; and also that bureaucracies can produce disastrous consequences even when they have the best intentions . The records of the Dawes Commission , including the applications for enrollment and land allotments , have been open to researchers for years at the National Archives — Southwest Region in Fort Worth , Texas . Anyone who wades into this sea of paper will quickly develop an appreciation for the difficulties that the commissioners faced Dawes Commission 1896 Enrollment Index The Dawes Commission prepared an index to over 14,000 records of individuals in the Five Civilized Tribes that applied for citizenship under the Act of 1896 . The Five Civilized Tribes include the Cherokee , Choctaw , Chickasaw , Creek and the Seminole . This compilation , in effect an Indian census , was also used as the basis for the allotment of tribal lands to individual Indians . Included among the 14,000 applicants were : GOEN , W A Cherokee Case No . : 563 GOEN , LEVI Cherokee Case No . : 1448 GOIN , FANNIE M . Cherokee Case No . : 745 GOIN , THOMAS J . Cherokee Case No . : 745 GOIN , BRADFORD Cherokee Case No . : 745 GOIN , JOHN Cherokee Case No . : 745 GOIN , HENRY Cherokee Case No . : 745 GOIN , CASSANNA Cherokee Case No . : 2529 BOWLIN , AMANDA GOIN Cherokee Case No : 3924 GOIN , SARAH Cherokee Case No . : 4234 GOIN , JOHN Cherokee Case No . : 4748 GOINS , NATHAN Cherokee Case No . : 456 GOINS , RILEY Cherokee Case No . : 608 GOINS , ELISHA Cherokee Case No . : 609 GOINS , GEORGE Cherokee Case No . : 611 GOINS , SHERMAN Cherokee Case No . : 613 GOINS , POLLY Cherokee Case No . : 615 GOINS , REBECCA Cherokee Case No . : 626 GOINS , TAYLOR Cherokee Case No . : 1531 GOINS , ELIZABETH Cherokee Case No : 2666 GOINS , JOHN Cherokee Case No . : 2848 GOINS , ROBERT Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , ELIZABETH Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , SEABORN Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , CALVIN Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , CAROLINE Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , JOHN Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , ELIZABETH Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , MENIRVA Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , WILLIAM HENRY Choctaw Case No : 55 GOINS , SAMANTHA Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , JAMES Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , JAMES JR Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , RANDOLPH Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , LIZZIE Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , RAYBORN Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , THOMAS L Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , WILLIAM Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , COLLIN Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , ELI Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , CAMPBELL Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , MARTHA MARGARET Choctaw Case No : 55 GOINS , MISSOURI Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , AMANDA MAY Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , DINKEY Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , REUBEN Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , MARY Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , CORDELIA Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , JEREMIAH JR Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOINS , MONROE Choctaw Case No . : 55 GOWENS , MAHALA Cherokee Case No . : 561 GOWENS , ZARRIA BELLE Choctaw Case No . : 994 GOWINGS , LENA Choctaw Case No . : 997 GUYNN , POLLY Cherokee Case No . : 2840 = = O = = Choctaw family census card 4207 : Dora Guynes , age 2 , 1 / 8 blood quantum , Enrollment No . 11803 Ishmael W . Guynes , age 8 , 1 / 8 blood quantum , Enrollment No . 11800 James H . Guynes , age 16 , 1 / 8 blood quantum , Enrollment No . 11798 Lorena Guynes , age 5 , 1 / 8 blood quantum , Enrollment No . 11802 . Rosa L . Guynes , age 5 , 1 / 8 blood quantum , Enrollment No . 11801 Thomas Guynes , age 18 , 1 / 8 blood quantum , Enrollment No . 11797 William J . Guynes , age 10 , 1 / 8 blood quantum , Enrollment No . 11799 = = O = = Anna Goins , a Choctaw , was married in 1870 to James S . Da - vis who was born in 1850 at Perryville . James S . Davis lived at Spiro in 1902 . His Applications for Enrollment , Choctaw Na - tion was identified as Case 4546 . Goins , Ellen - Choctaw , was born in 1884 or 1885 , the daugh - ter of Henry and Emma Goins ( 1 ) . ( 1 ) Applications for En - rollment , Choctaw Nation , Case 1440 . Goins , Isom - Choctaw , was born in 1827 and was living in 1900 ( 1 ) . ( 1 ) Applications for Enrollment , Choctaw Nation , Case 1440 . Goins , James - Choctaw , lived at Ardmore in 1898 . His son , James , then had a wife in Texas ( 1 ) . ( 1 ) Applications for Enrollment , Choctaw Nation , Case 5149 . Page 285 Goins , James C . - Choctaw mixed blood , was born in 1824 , the son of Jerry Goins , a fullblood . He lived in Hamilton County , Texas , in 1908 ( 1 ) . ( 1 ) Applications for Enrollment , Choctaw Nation . Goins , Phoebe - Choctaw , married Robert L . Hensley , a white , before Rev . Humphrey Colbert on April 15 , 1866 . She died on May 8 , 1895 ( 1 ) . ( 1 ) Applications for Enrollment , Choctaw Nation , Case 5165 . Goins , William L . - Choctaw , lived at Arden in 1900 . He mar - ried Lizzie ( born 1867 ) and was the father of Sarah W . ( born Texas , 1887 ) , Nellie ( born Texas , 1889 ) , Lula ( born Texas , 1890 ) , Tomer A . ( 1893 ) , Henry A . ( 1894 ) , William B . ( 1896 ) , and Allie May ( 1900 ) ( 1 ) . ( 1 ) Applications for Enrollment , Choctaw Nation , Case 5150 . = = O = = Included in the Cherokee Freedmen Enrollment cards of the Dawes Commission , 1901 - 1906 were the following applicants whose applications were rejected by the Commission : R179 Alberta Goins age 10 R179 Calvin Goins 60 R179 Hattie Goins 14 R179 James Goins 18 R179 Margarett Goins 12 R179 Narcissa Goins 16 All of the above were shown as children of Calvin Goins and his wife , Elvira Goins . Calvin Goins was shown as the son of Lucy Goins . = = O = = The Office of Indian Affairs early on determined that Indian names for American citizens was difficult to administer and sent out a directive to help solve the problem : “ Department of the Interior Office of Indian Affairs Washington , D . C . March 19 , 1890 . To Indian Agents and Superintendents of Schools : As allotment work progresses it appears that some care must be exercised in regard to preserving among Indians family names . When Indians become citizens of the United States , under the allotment act , the inheritance of property will be governed by the laws of the respective states , and it will cause needless confusion and doubtless considerable ultimate loss to the Indians if no attempt is made to have the different mem - bers of the family known by the same family name on the rec - ords and by general reputation . Among other customs of the white people it is becoming important that Indians adopt that in regard to names . There seems , however , no good reason for continuing a custom which has prevailed to a considerable extent of substituting English for Indian names , especially when different members of the same family are named with no regard to the family surname . Doubtless , in many cases , the Indian name is difficult to pro - nounce and to remember ; but in many other cases the Indian word is as short and euphonious as the English word that is substituted , while , other things being equal , the fact that it is an Indian name makes it a better one . For convenience , an English " Christian name " may be given and the Indian name be retained as a surname . If the Indian name is unusually long and difficult , it may perhaps be arbi - trarily shortened . The practice of calling Indians by the Eng - lish translation of their Indian names also seems to me unad - visable . The names thus obtained are usually awkward and uncouth and such as the children when they grow older will dislike to retain . In any event the habit of adopting sobriquets given to Indians , such as " Tobacco , " " Mogul , " " Tom , " " Pete , " etc . , by which they become generally known , is unfortunate and should be discontinued . It degrades the Indians , and as he or his children gain in education and culture they will be annoyed by a desig - nation which has been fastened upon them and of which they can not rid themselves without difficulty . Hereafter in submitting to this office , for approval , names of Indian employees to be appointed as policemen , judges , team - sters , laborers , etc . , all nicknames must be discarded and effort made to ascertain and adopt the actual names or such as should be permanent designations . The names decided upon must be made well known to the respective Indians and the importance of retaining such names must be fully explained to them . I am aware that this will involve some expenditure of time and trouble , but no more than will be warranted by the importance of the matter in the near future . Of course , sudden change can - not be made in Indian nomenclature ; but if agents and school superintendents will systematically endeavor , so far as practic - able , to have children and wives known by the names of the fa - thers and husbands , very great improvement in this respect will be brought about within a few years . Respectfully , T . J . Morgan Commissioner ” Charles R . Goins , John W . Morris and Edwin C . McReynolds described the first Oklahoma Land Rush April 22 , 1889 in their book “ Historical Atlas of Oklahoma . ” The first land run was for " Unassigned Lands " located in central Oklahoma , the area around and between present day Guthrie and Oklahoma City . Second and Third openings were east and west of the original territory : In September 1891 , surplus lands [ unallotted ] of the Iowa , Sac and Fox , and Shawnee - Pottowatomie Tribes in the area east of Oklahoma City was opened . On April 19 , 1892 , surplus lands of the Cheyenne - Arapaho Tribe in the area west of Oklahoma City were opened . On September 16 , 1893 , the Cherokee Outlet in upper North - west Oklahoma was opened for settlement . On May 23 , 1895 , Kickapoo tribal lands , just east of Okla - homa City were opened . Lands were opened by lottery in the area of Southwestern Oklahoma known as “ The Big Pasture . ” From July 9 to August 6 , 1901 Wichita , Comanche , Kiowa , Apache and Caddo tribal lands were opened for settlement . Land in the reservations of the Ponca , Oto , Missouri , and Osage tribes were distributed among the tribal members and were not opened to white settlement . On the morning of November 16 , 1907 Pres . Theodore Roosevelt signed a proclamation declaring statehood for Oklahoma . A huge crowd gathered at Guthrie , Oklahoma received the telegraphed message that the " twin territories " had been merged to form the 46th state . In a mock wedding ceremony , symbols of these two diverse communities , a woman representing Indian Territory and a man from Oklahoma Territory , were united in marriage . A new state had entered the Union after many years of conflict between the Indian ' s love of the land and the Genealogists searching for Cherokee ancestors need to know the year that their ancestors arrived in Oklahoma and the Cherokee Nation . The Cherokee Nation Registration Office advises : " Many descendants of Cherokee Indians can neither be certified nor qualify for tribal membership in the Chero kee Nation of Oklahoma because their ancestors were not enrolled during the final enrollment . Unfortunately , these ancestors did not meet the require ments for the final enrollment . The requirements at that time were [ 1 ] applying between 1899 - 1906 , [ 2 ] appear ing on previous tribal rolls of 1880 or 1896 , and [ 3 ] having a permanent residence within the Cherokee Na tion [ now the 14 northeastern counties of Oklahoma ] . If the ancestors had separated from the Tribe and settled in states such as Arkansas , Kansas , Missouri and Texas , they lost their citizenship within the Cherokee Nation . Only enrolled members of the Cherokee Nation named on the Final Rolls and / or their direct descendants are furnished Certificates of Degree of Indian Blood and / or Tribal Membership . " Miss Sophia Going , age 19 of Smithville in the Wolf District , Indian Territory was married May 23 , 1907 to Samuel Cusher , 21 of the same location , according to Polk County , Arkansas Marriage Book H , page 439 . Polk County retained civil jurisdiction of the area at that time . Willie Cusher and Mrs . Lusan Samuel were bondsmen . Wallace Going , age 36 , a casualty of the Viet Nam War , was born May 16 , 1932 . His home was shown as Watson , Oklahoma on Navy records which identified him as an " Indian . " He , a married Boatswain Mate Second Class , ID No . 3482074 , died in action due to enemy fire December 23 , 1968 . His name appears on the Vietnamese War Memorial in Washington D.C. on Line 69 , Panel 36W . Riley Goings was married in Indian Nation about 1860 , wife ' s name Elvira . Elvira Goings claimed to be Cherokee when she testified before the Dawes Commission October 13 , 1902 and February 23 , 1907 . She was born between 1862 and 1867 . Of Riley Goings , she declared , " I did n ' t marry no Cherokee . " Riley Goings was deceased during the Civil War . Elvira Goings was remarried to Jack Still , a Cherokee widower . He had been previously married and " had a family of little children - - Mary , Lois , Jonas and Robert . " Jack Still died about 1887 . Isaiah Still , David Still , William Still and Sampson Still , born about 1883 , were their children . Elvira Goings Still was remarried in 1886 at Webbers Falls , Indian Nation in Canadian District by Judge Rocky Smith to Wallace Ratley , a Cherokee . A daughter , Sarah Ratley , was born to them in 1888 . Wallace Ratley , a Cherokee , joined Elvira Goings Still Ratley , " citizen by intermarriage , of Illinois District , " in submitting testimony to the Dawes Commission . Jane Glenn , age 46 [ possibly Jane Goings Glenn ] joined them in testifying before the commission February 23 , 1907 . Children born to Riley Goings and Elvira Goings include : Jane Goings born about 1860 Eliza Goings born about 1862 ATOKA COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Kenneth Goin was married to Fostine McCoy June 7 , 1947 , ac cording to Atoka County Marriage Book 16 , page 233 . Of Kenneth Goin and Fostine McCoy Goin nothing more is known . = = O = = Lizzie Going of Atoka , deeded land to F . P . Hapwood et al October 25 , 1913 , according to Atoka County Deed Book 21 , page 368 . = = O = = Lottie Going was married to Gussie Akin April 28 , 1912 , ac cording to Atoka County Marriage Book 2 , page 240 . = = O = = Roy Goins was married to Pearl Goins December 1 , 1934 at Atoka , according to Atoka County Marriage Book 11 , page 16 . James E . Goins was born at Strang [ Springtown ] , Oklahoma August 18 , 1923 . In 1947 he was a resident of San Francisco , California . He was married July 26 , 1947 at Tucumcari , New Mexico to Marjorie V . Gafford , widow of B . D . Gafford , ac cording to Quay County , New Mexico Marriage Book 11 , page 5110 . Marjorie V . Gafford Goins was born at Foss , Oklahoma June 6 , 1921 . She was a resident of Dimmitt , Texas in 1947 . On November 1 , 1947 Marjorie V . Gafford Goins and James E . Goins deeded a lot in Dimmitt , Texas to Lorene Bleeker , ac cording to Castro County , Texas Deed Book 66 , page 8 . In 1948 James E . Goins , a postal clerk and Marjorie V . Gafford Goins lived at 2408 West 6th Street , Amarillo , Texas , accord ing to the Amarillo city directory . Virginia Kay Goins was born to James E . Goins and Mar jorie V . Gafford Goins on November 24 , 1951 and died on the fol lowing day at Plains Memorial Hospital , according to Castro County Death Record Book 6 , page 52 . She was buried in Dimmitt Cemetery . James E . Goins received a warranty deed October 4 , 1951 to a lot in Dimmitt , according to Castro County Deed Book 10 , page 263 . BECKHAM COUNTY , OKLAHOMA S . H . Goins and Nettie Constable Goins were residents of Beckham County in 1914 . Their son , Charles Harrison Goins was born there in Elk City February 15 , 1915 . " Charles Harri son Goins , Sr , white , male , married " died at Kilgore , Texas of " myocardial infarction July 14 , 1950 , according to BVS File 41967 . He was a roustabout for Tidewater Oil Company , ac cording to Theresa Goins , informant . He was buried in Kilgore . Neville O . Gowan , born 1901 - died 1970 , was buried in Fairlawn Cemetery on North Washington Street in Elk City , Oklahoma . Buried beside him was Sylvia Gowan , born 1912 - died 1989 . BRYAN COUNTY , OKLAHOMA R . L . Going was married February 7 , 1932 to Grace Chunn , according to Bryan County marriage records . Children born to R . L . Going and Grace Chunn Going are unknown . Cecil Goings was married April 18 , 1937 to Della Baylus , according to Bryan County marriage records . Of Cecil Goings and Della Baylus Goings nothing more is known . = = O = = Vincent Goins was married to Emma Eliza Goodman March 14 , 1933 , according to Bryan County marriage records . Children born to Vincent Goins and Emma Eliza Goodman Goins are unknown . = = O = = Vinita Goins was married September 4 , 1926 to Wayne Davis , according to Bryan County marriage records . CADDO COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Charles Goins who was born in 1907 , was married December 12 , 1928 to Ivy Blakley , who was born in 1913 , according to Caddo County Marriage Book 16 , page 336 . Children born to Charles Goins and Ivy Blakley Goins are unknown . Both were from Eakley , Oklahoma . Tommy Goins of Carnegie , Oklahoma , who was born in 1909 , was married November 4 , 1932 to Sophia Bertha Akoneta of Mt . View , Oklahoma who was born in 1895 , according to Caddo County Marriage Book 19 , page 307 . Luther Goins was a witness at the wedding of Tommy Goins and Sophia Bertha Akoneta Goins . = = O = = Ludie Goins of Carnegie , Oklahoma who was born in 1890 was married April 28 , 1933 to Lucy Saumty of Carnegie who was born in 1899 . Children born to Ludie Goins and Lucy Saumty Goins are unknown . CARTER COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Carl Goen , age 21 of Wilson , Oklahoma was married December 8 , 1928 to Miss Mamie Jones , age 20 of Dallas , Texas , according to Carter County Marriage Book 1 , page 249 . Children born to Carl Goen and Mamie Jones Goen are unknown . = = O = = J . D . Goen , age 22 , of Dibble , Oklahoma was married August 20 , 1906 to Ora Smith , age 18 , also of Dibble , according to Carter County Marriage Book J , page 423 . Of J . D . Goen and Ora Smith Goen nothing more is known . = = O = = Lena Goen was nominated in a subscription contest by the “ Wilson Weekly Democrat ” in Wilson , Oklahoma in 1926 . Miss Louise Goens , age 20 , of Wilson , Oklahoma was married July 11 , 1942 to E . L . Duncan , age 21 , also of Wilson , ac cording to Carter County Marriage Book W2 , page 202 . = = O = = James Goin , age 22 of Orr , Indian Territory was married about 1906 to Ruby Cowan , age 18 of Cornish , Indian Territory , ac cording to Carter County Marriage Book K , page 127 . Children born to James Goin and Ruby Cowan Goin are unknown . = = O = = Freeman Going gave a mineral deed to Signal Oil & Gas Com pany July 31 , 1962 , according to Carter County Deed Book 451 , page 29 . Mike Goings , age 23 of Wirt , Oklahoma was married October 24 , 1919 to Eula Vesta Mash , age 22 of Healdton , Oklahoma , according to Carter County Marriage Book 8 , page 618 . Chil dren born to Mike Goings and Eula Vesta Mash Goings are un known . Mrs . S . R . B . Goings , age 25 , " of Ardmore , Indian Nation " was married April 23 , 1895 to Fred Hahn , also of Ardmore , ac cording to Carter County Marriage Book A , page 55 . Dennis L . Goins and wife , Brenda L . Goins gave a deed to a residential lot in Ardmore June 6 , 1976 , according to Carter County Deed Book 772 , page 514 . Jesse Goins , age 21 " of Ardmore , Indian Territory " was married December 6 , 1902 to Ida DeVee , age 18 , also of Ardmore , according to Carter County Marriage Book G , page 32 . Children born to Jesse Goins and Ida DeVee Goins are unknown . Robert E . Goins was a pallbearer at the funeral of William Clinton Stamper , Jr . which was held at the Maxwell Avenue Church of Christ in September 1966 , according to the September 15 , 1966 edition of the “ Daily Ardmoreite ” of Ardmore , Oklahoma . He died September 14 , 1966 . Robert E . Goins was again a pallbearer at the funeral of William Clinton Stamper , Sr . who died November 28 , 1978 in Ardmore at the age of 94 . The funeral was held at the Central Church of Christ in Ardmore , according to the November 28 , 1878 edition of the “ Daily Ardmoreite . ” W . M . Goins , a farmer of the Orr community , was mentioned in the March 10 , 1909 edition of the “ Daily Ardmoreite ” as having paid cash for his farm . He will have 80 acres in corn and 75 acres in cotton this year . Robert Land Gowing was born December 31 , 1939 at Ardmore , Oklahoma . In 1969 he was in the U.S. Air Force stationed at Cannon Air Force Base , Clovis , New Mexico . He was married September 18 , 1969 at Clovis to Elizabeth Jean Walters who was born August 2 , 1940 at Tucumcari , New Mexico , according to Curry County , New Mexico Marriage Book 76 , page 35777 . Of Robert Land Gowing and Elizabeth Jean Walters Gowing nothing more is known . CHEROKEE COUNTY , OKLAHOMA John Goins , age 53 , who was born in Tahlequah , Oklahoma March 31 , 1894 , was married March 23 , 1948 to Ruby Crume , 49 who was born at Louisville , Kentucky July 21 , 1899 , ac cording to Lea County , New Mexico Marriage Book 15 , li cense No . 8460 . Both were residents of Hobbs , New Mexico at the time . Of Ruby Crume Goins nothing more is known . John Goins , a machinist , and his wife , Eliz Goins lived at 413 West Park in 1955 and 1957 , according to the Hobbs city di rectory . John Goins , age 63 , was remarried December 28 , 1957 to Hazel White , age 54 , who was born in Henderson County , Texas October 10 , 1903 , according to Lea County Marriage Book 39 , license No . 24353 . Both were residents of Hobbs at that time . John Goins and Hazel White Goins lived at 415 Park from 1958 through 1972 , according to the Hobbs city directory . John Goins retired in 1965 . Hazel White Goins was the man ager of Hills Apartments in 1965 , according to the Hobbs city directory . Rev . C . A . Gowin and Mrs . Adeline Gowin of Cherokee County , Indian Territory were mentioned in the “ Van Buren Argus ” published in Van Buren , Arkansas . The mention appeared in Volume 4 , No . 26 . Charles M . C . Gowin was married October 31 , 1919 to Pearl Blackwell , according to Cherokee County Marriage Book 4 , page 603 . Children born to Charles M . C . Gowin and Pearl Blackwell Gowin are unknown . CHOCTAW COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Kenneth V . Goins was born March 12 , 1927 at Boswell , Okla homa . He enlisted in the U.S. Army at Ft . Campbell , Kentucky June 1 , 1946 . He was discharged as a private April 25 , 1947 at Ft . Bragg . North Carolina and returned to his home in Lamb County , according to Lamb County Discharge Book 4 , page 92 . At that time he was listed as a white farmhand with two dependents . CRAIG COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Herman Goins was born in 1897 . He was married about 1920 to Opal Marie Page in Missouri . He served as police chief in Venita , Oklahoma from 1961 to 1970 . CREEK COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Georgia Estelle Goen was born March 13 , 1914 in Sapulpa Oklahoma , according to her obituary published in the No - vember 14 , 1989 edition of the “ Sapulpa Herald : ” “ Mrs . Ralph [ Georgia Estelle ] Piper , 75 , 524 N . Ross , died today at Bartlett Memorial Medical Center . Grave - side services will be 10 : 30 a.m. Thursday at South Heights Cemetery with the Rev . Johnny Bilby officia - ting . She was born March 13 , 1914 , in Sapulpa and was a lifelong resident . She worked for Spartan Aircraft and then retired from Liberty Glass . She married Ralph Piper in 1976 and was preceded in death by son Frank Conley . Survivors include husband Ralph of the home ; daugh - ters Mrs . James Wilmont of Sapulpa and Mrs . Farrell Mathews of Gore ; brothers and sisters Melvin Goen of Tulsa and Cladie Goen Hull and Truman Goen , both of Sapulpa and Jewell Goen Ward of California . ” Esther Alice Gowen , daughter of T . A . Gowen was born August 22 , 1907 . She was married about 1925 to J . F . Propst , according to Anna Taylor . She died January 28 , 1929 , according to the records of Sullivan Funeral Home . Children born to them include : Lavern Propst born November 7 , 1924 Lavern Propst , daughter of J . F . Propst and Esther Alice Gowen Propst , was born November 7 , 1924 . She died January 25 , 1927 at the age of “ two months , 18 days . ” Walter A . Goins was born in Sapulpa , Oklahoma December 10 , 1924 . In 1950 he lived at Oklahoma City , Oklahoma . He was married March 5 , 1950 to Josehine Browning Wilson , at Albuquerque , New Mexico , according to Bernalillo County , New Mexico Marriage Book 54 , page 31769 . Josephine Browning Wilson Goins was born July 16 , 1931 at Albu querque . CUSTER COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Monte Goyen lived at 208 West College , Weatherford , Okla homa in June 1973 , according to the telephone directory . DELAWARE COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Emma Lee Pike Goin " of Delaware County , Oklahoma " gave a quit claim deed to Olen Nix January 13 , 1971 to Lots in Itasca , Texas for $ 1.00 , according to Hill County , Texas Deed Book 504 , page 736 . = = O = = John Goins , a North Carolinian , was enumerated in the 1910 census of Delaware County , at Grove , Oklahoma , page 137 : “ Goins , John A . 27 , born in NC , parents born in NC Mary B . 17 , wife Jessie May 1 10 / 12 , daughter , born in OK John Goins is regarded as the brother of Dollie Elizabeth Goins Mason who was born in North Carolina April 29 , 1884 . Her family was enumerated nearby : “ Mason , William E . 28 , born in OK , father born in AR , mother born in U.S , mar - ried once for 7 years , farmer Dollie , 26 , wife , born in NC , parents born in NC , married once for 7 yrs , 4 children , 4 living Eva 6 , daughter , born in OK Annie 4 , daughter , born in OK Cecil 2 , son , born in OK James 11 / 12 , son , born in OK ” Dolly Elizabeth Goins Mason died March 17 , 1931 near Bernice , Oklahoma . He was buried near Grove . Children born to her include Bessie Hattie Mason , Clemmie Ross Mason , Woodrow Wilson Mason , Edna M . Mason , Anna Lee Mason , Clyde Mason , James Hayden Mason , Sarah Mason and George Mason . Clement H . Mason , regarded as the father of William Emory Mason , was enumerated adjoining William E . Mason : “ Mason , Clement H . 64 , Hattie E . 64 , wife Layton , Fannie 29 , daughter Louis , 2 , grandson Mason , Minona 11 , granddaughter ” d . 3 / 17 / 1931 near Bernice , buried near Grove . Married William Emery Mason , children Bessie Hattie , Clemmie Ross , Woodrow Wilson , Edna M . , Anna Lee , Clyde , James Hayden ( my husband ' s grandfather ) , Sarah and George . DEWEY COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Oscar Goin was a resident of Vici , Oklahoma in 1918 . He was the father of : Darwin E . Goin born March 26 , 1918 Darwin Goin , son of Oscar Goin , was born March 26 , 1918 . He enlisted in the U . S . Army September 26 , 1941 . He was killed in action in Italy November 10 , 1943 . He had previ ously re ceived the purple heart medal . GARFIELD COUNTY , OKLAHOMA George W . Goins , a native of Tennessee , was born about 1850 to parents unknown . He was married about 1870 , wife ' s name Susannah . In June 1875 they lived in Missouri where a son was born , according to Sue English , a descendant of Kilgore , Texas . George W . Goins and Susannah Goins gave a deed March 28 , 1876 to Gilford Minor for " all their interest in the Zachariah Minor land lying in the 4th District , " according to Hancock County Deed Book 1 , page 436 . Later , presumably after the death of Susannah Goins , George W . Goins was remarried , wife ' s name unknown . Children born to George W . Goins and Susannah Goins in clude : Sherman Harrison Goins born June 19 , 1875 Sherman Harrison Goins , son of George W . Goins and Susan nah Goins , was born in Missouri June 19 , 1875 , according to Sue English . He was married in February 1898 at Enid , Okla homa to Nettie Belle Constable . She was born June 2 , 1880 in Olathe , Kansas to James M . Constable and M . Loutzie Wiggins Constable . They continued in Garfield County in July 1899 when a daughter was born . In 1902 and 1904 they lived in Eagle City , Oklahoma Territory in nearby Blaine County . In 1905 they lived in Watonga , Oklahoma Territory . In 1907 , the year of Oklahoma statehood , they lived in Elk City , Oklahoma and continued there in 1921 when their last child was born . . He moved to Kilgore , Texas in 1931 where he became an oil field worker . He died there June 19 , 1970 of congestive heart failure at age 75 , according to Gregg County Death Certificate 4649 . He was described as married , white , male . His parents were unknown to Mrs . Margie Nicely , 248 Woodlawn , Hot Springs , Arkansas , informant . He was buried in Kilgore Cemetery . Children born to Sherman Harrison Goins and Nettie Belle Constable Goins include : Ruby Goins born July 16 , 1899 Everet Goins born about 1902 Anna Mildred " Julia " Goins born July 24 , 1904 Helen A . " Susie " Goins born October 25 , 1905 Elwood Goins born September 17 , 1907 Margia O . Goins born November 9 , 1909 Georgia Madison " Peggy " Goins born Dec . 21 , 1910 Marcus Goins born about 1912 Charles Harrison Goins born February 15 , 1914 Loraine Goins born September 27 , 1918 Marie " Ella " Goins born February 20 , 1920 Jackie Irene " Virginia " Goins born October 25 , 1921 Ruby Goins , daughter of Sherman Harrison Goins and Nettie Bell Constable Goins , was born July 16 , 1899 in Enid , Okla homa Territory . She died in 1901 . Everet Goins , son of Sherman Harrison Goins and Nettie Bell Constable Goins , was born in Blaine County , Oklahoma Terri tory in 1902 . He died in 1948 in Enid . Anna Mildred " Julia " Goins , daughter of Sherman Harrison Goins and Nettie Bell Constable Goins , was born July 24 , 1904 in Eagle City . She was married about 1922 to Louis Bynum . Later she was remarried to Johnny Kruse . She died July 25 , 1975 in Kilgore . Helen A . " Susie " Goins , daughter of Sherman Harrison Goins and Nettie Bell Constable Goins , was born October 25 , 1905 in Watonga , Oklahoma Territory . She was married in 1923 to B . F . Darnold . Later she was remarried to Charles Chastain . Elwood Goins , son of Sherman Harrison Goins and Nettie Bell Constable Goins , was born September 17 , 1907 in Elk City . He died in 1948 in Enid . Margia O . Goins , daughter of Sherman Harrison Goins and Nettie Bell Constable Goins , was born was born November 9 , 1909 in Elk City . She died April 14 , 1990 in Kilgore . Georgia Madison " Peggy " Goins , daughter of Sherman Harri son Goins and Nettie Bell Constable Goins , was born Decem ber 10 , 1921 in Elk City . She died October 22 , 1984 in Kil gore . Marcus Goins , son of Sherman Harrison Goins and Nettie Bell Constable Goins , was born at Elk City about 1912 . He died in infancy . Charles Harrison Goins , son of Sherman Harrison Goins and Nettie Bell Constable Goins , was born February 15 , 1914 in Elk City . He died in July 1960 in Kilgore . Loraine Goins , daughter of Sherman Harrison Goins and Nettie Bell Constable Goins , was born September 27 , 1918 in Elk City . She died there three years later . Marie " Ella " Goins , daughter of Sherman Harrison Goins and Nettie Bell Constable Goins , was born February 20 , 1920 in Elk City . She was married about 1938 to Glynn Cecil Brumley . She died in Kilgore October 3 , 1966 . Children born to them include : Cecilia Brumley [ twin ] born about 1923 Amelia Brumley [ twin ] born about 1923 Eleanor Brumley born about 1925 Patrick Brumley born about 1929 Jackie Irene " Virginia " Goins , daughter of Sherman Harrison Goins and Nettie Bell Constable Goins , was born October 25 , 1921 in Elk City . She was married September 5 , 1940 to Cecil B . Lampee . She died April 10 , 1968 in Knox City , Texas . Children born to Cecil B . Lampee and Jackie Irene " Virginia " Goins Lampee include : Judy Lampee born about 1942 Sandra Lampee born about 1946 Cecil Lee Lampee born about 1950 Researchers : Sue English , 615 Peterson Road , Kilgore , TX , 75662 = = O = = Max Goins , son of Jess Goins , was born in Oklahoma in 1914 . He was a resident of Enid , Oklahoma December 24 , 1935 when he was married to Imogene Newkirk , according to Kay , Oklahoma County Marriage Book 27 , page 613 . Imogene Newkirk Goins was born in Oklahoma in 1917 . She was also a resident of Enid at the time of the wedding which was performed in Ponca City , Oklahoma . GARVIN COUNTY , OKLAHOMA James Goens who was born in November 1844 in Alabama was enumerated as the head of a household in the 1900 census of Garvin County , page 187 : “ Goens , James , 55 , white male , born in November 1844 , in AL , father born in AL , mother born in AL , farmer , mar - ried 29 yrs . Ruthie , 45 , white female , born in January 1855 in MO , father born in TN , mother born in TN , mother of 12 , 11 living Lavada 21 , white female , born in January 1879 in TX , father born in AL , mother born in MO , daughter Walter M . 19 , white male , born in May 1881in TX , father born in AL , mother born in MO , son , famer Carrie E . 16 , white female , born in July 1883 in TX , father born in AL , mother born in MO , daughter Claudie L . 14 , white female , born in December 1885 in TX , father born in AL , mother born in MO , daughter Ocie 12 , white male , born in May 1888 , father born in AL , mother born in MO , son William 9 , white male , born in February 1891 in TX , father born in AL , mother born in MO , son Marvin 6 , white male , born in August 1893 In IT , father born in AL , mother born in MO , son Jessie 4 , white male , born in March 1896 , father born in AL , mother born in MO , son ” = = O = = James M . Goin , 26 was married December 9 , 1922 to Carmen Williams , 18 , according to Garvin County marriage records . Children born to James M . Goin and Carmen Williams Goin are unknown . = = O = = Tom Going , age 21 was married December 15 , 1915 to Dona Pyle , age 26 , according to Garvin County marriage records . Of Tom Going and Dona Pyle Going nothing more is known . John Goings , age 32 was married February 26 , 1918 to Lizzie Pursley , age 19 , February 26 , 1918 . Children born to John Goings and Lizzie Pursley Goings are unknown . Susan Goings , 75 was enumerated as a “ boarder ” in the 1920 census of Garvin County , page 158 . = = O = = Bessie Goins , 17 , was enumerated as the wife of “ Goins , age 22 ” in the 1920 census of Garvin County , page 182 . Frank Goins was enumerated as the head of a household in the 1910 census of Garvin County , page 4 : “ Goins , Frank 42 , born in TX Larah 40 , wife , married 21 years , 6 children Onel 18 , son , born in TX Ida 17 , daughter , born in TX Ola 12 , daughter , born in OK Lester 11 , son , born in OK Lenard 6 , son , born in OK ” G . S . Goins , age 21 was married to Winnie Pope , age 20 March 6 , 1917 , according to Garvin County marriage records . Of G . S . Goins and Winnie Pope Goins nothing more is known . = = O = = James A . Goins , age 29 , was married March 29 , 1929 to Bertha Wellever , age 19 , according to Garvin County Marriage Book 15 , page 385 . Children born to James A . Goins and Bertha Wellever Goins are unknown . = = O = = Leona Goins , 24 , was married August 9 , 1893 to Charles Evans , 23 in Choctaw Nation , according to Garvin County Marriage Book 3 , page 370 . Martha M . Goins , age 20 , born in March 1880 in Texas of parents who were born in Texas . She was enumerated in Choctaw Nation in Household 194 in the 1990 census of Garvin County . Ruf Goins , age 27 , born in August 1872 in Arkansas whose father was born in Missouri and whose mother was born in Illinois was enumerated as a “ boarder ” in the 1900 census of Garvin County . William Goins , age 6 , grandson ; Eva Goins , age 5 , granddaughter and Richard Goins , age 3 , grandson were living the household of Robert Stevenson , their grandfather in the 1910 census of Garvin County . William L . Goins , age 48 and Agnes Gilbert , age 36 were married February 10 , 1912 , according to Garvin County marriage records . Children born to William L . Goins and Agnes Gilblert Goins are unknown . George Gowens was enumerated as the head of a household in the 1920 census of Garvin County , page 2 : “ Gowens George 26 , born in AR Lizzie 20 , born in AR ] Roy O . 5 , born in OK Fay 3 , born in OK Ralph 1 , born in OK ” Vada L . Goyne , a white female was born January 1874 in Texas of parents who were born in Mississippi . She was enumerated in the 1900 census of Garvin County . GRADY COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Charles Calvin Goins was born November 11 , 1936 in Cali fornia , the son of Charles R . Goins and Anna Cottner Goins . In 1958 he considered Chickasha , Oklahoma as his home . He was killed on an oilfield drilling rig floor August 8 , 1959 in an oilwell blowout , according to Pecos County , Texas Death Book 5 , page 178 . He , a roughneck , was employed by Standard Oil of Texas on a lease 40 miles southwest of Ft . Stockton , Texas . He had lived in Pecos County for one year , but the body was returned to Chickasha for burial . = = O = = William Goins who was born in Indian Territory in 1894 , was married March 30 , 1908 to Mollie Brooks who was born in Texas in 1887 , according to Caddo County , Oklahoma Mar riage Book 3 , page 335 . He was a resident of Grady County , and Mollie Brooks Goins was a resident of Kiowa County , Oklahoma . = = O = = George Gowan appeared in the legal records of Grady County , Oklahoma about 1900 when he was sued by John Morris on Grady County Dockett No . 1103 . = = O = = M . P . Goyne , age 23 , of Alex , Oklahoma was married October 31 , 1941 to Lora Drennan , age 18 , also of Alex , according to Grady County marriage records . Children born to M . P . Goyne and Lora Drennan Goyne are unknown . Marla Jo Goyne who was born September 22 , 1941 at Alex , Oklahoma , was a telephone operator living at 218 East 5th Street , Clovis , New Mexico in 1961 , according to the city di rectory . She was married June 22 , 1961 to Robert Keith Moore , Clovis , who was born at Clovis January 5 , 1942 , ac cording to Curry County , New Mexico Marriage Book 69 , page 30852 . The couple lived at 218 East 5th Street , Clovis , at that time . = = O = = William A . Goyne , age 21 , of Ireton , Oklahoma was married November 15 , 1910 to Miss Mollie Drennan , age 19 . Child - ren born to William A . Goyne and Mollie Drennan Goyne are unknown . GRANT COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Rev . H . N . Gowan , pastor of the Methodist Episcopal Church , was a resident of Wakita , Oklahoma in 1905 , according to the “ Wakita Herald . ” GREER COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Nina Goins was married in 1922 in Mangum , Oklahoma to Frank Yandell , according to Joyce Wafford . Robert Thomas Goin and his wife , Willie Emberton Goin were residents of Mangum , Oklahoma in 1921 . They were married January 23 , 1918 . In 1931 they were residents of Arlington , Texas , according to Tarrant County Deed Book 1128 , page 137 . On January 30 , 1933 Robert Thomas Goin received a warranty deed from J . B . West to a lot in Wallace Addition , Arlington , Texas , ac cording to Tarrant County Deed Book 1192 , page 183 . Robert Thomas Goin and Willie Emberton Goin gave a war ranty deed to Raymond J . Goin , their son , July 27 , 1942 to a lot in Wallace Addition , according to Tarrant County Deed Book 1517 , page 185 . Robert Thomas Goin died February 5 , 1943 , according to an affidavit given to the public October 28 , 1946 by Willie Em berton Goin which was recorded in Tarrant County Deed Book 1848 , page 485 . Willie Emberton Goin was joined by her sons Robert John Going and Raymond J . Goin and their wives , Mable Goin and Dorothy Joyce Goin , respectively in giving a warranty deed to Glynn Phillips to Lots in Wallace Addition , Arlington , for $ 3,200 on April 14 , 1953 , according to Tarrant County Deed Book 2554 , page 231 . Willie Emberton Goin , Robert John Goin , Mabel Goin , Ray mond J . Goin and Dorothy Joyce Goin gave a warranty deed to Glynndale Rental & Investment Company to Lots in Wallace Addition on May 3 , 1954 , according to Tarrant County Deed Book 2704 , page 374 . Children born to Robert Thomas Goin and Willie Emberton Goin include : Robert John Goin born in 1919 Raymond J . Goin born March 12 , 1921 Robert John Goin , son of Robert Thomas Goin and Willie Emberton Goin , was born in 1919 , probably at Mangum , Okla homa . He was married November 17 , 1940 , to Miss Mabel Parker , according Rockwall County , Texas Marriage Book 17 , page 508 . They lived in Arlington , Texas in 1946 . Robert John Goin and Mabel Parker Goin purchased a resi dence , in Arlington from Arlington Contractors May 14 , 1953 , for $ 10,000 , according to Tarrant County Deed Book 2704 , page 279 . Robert John Goin joined his brother and his mother in re ceiving a quit claim deed from Jimmie McKee May 3 , 1954 , according to Tarrant County Deed Book 2704 , page 377 . Robert John Goin and Mabel Parker Goin gave a warranty deed to W . G . Blair April 16 , 1957 to their Arlington home according to Tarrant County Deed Book 3102 , page 122 . In 1962 Robert John Goin was the manager of Archie ' s Mobil Service and lived in Arlington , according to the Ft . Worth city directory . Apparently Robert John Goin and Mabel Parker Goin were di vorced about that time . Robert John Goin was married to Billie Kate Hartley December 17 , 1965 , according to Tarrant County Marriage Book 138 , page 518 . Apparently he later divorced Billie Kate Hartley Goin . Robert John Goin , age 49 , was married to Mrs . Freda Little , August 2 , 1968 , according to Parker County Marriage Book 39 , page 183 . Robert John Goin and Freda Little Goin gave a plat to the public June 24 , 1969 on property in Hurst , Texas . Robert John Goin and Freda Goin gave a warranty deed to Otis Sikes July 31 , 1970 to a lot in Hurst , according to Tarrant County Deed Book 4913 , page 43 . Raymond J . Goin , son of Robert Thomas Goin and Willie Em berton Goin , was born March 12 , 1921 at Mangum , Okla homa . On September 4 , 1942 he enlisted in the U.S. Navy from 311 East Abram Street , Arlington . He served 30 months overseas on the U.S.S. Mahan , DD - 364 and was discharged as a Yeoman First Class . He made his home at 205 East Main Street , Arlington and showed his civilian occupation as a bookkeeper , according to Tarrant County Discharge Book 36 , page 535 . Raymond J . Goin and his wife , Dorothy Joyce Goin gave a warranty deed to Mary Price April 12 , 1943 to a lot in Wallace Addition , Arlington , according to Tarrant County Deed Book 1563 , page 95 . Raymond J . Goin and Dorothy Joyce Goin purchased a resi dence from Arlington Contractors May 14 , 1953 for $ 9,650 , according to Tarrant County Deed Book 2566 , page 288 . In 1959 Dorothy Joyce Goin showed her address as 401 Karnes . Also there was Betty J . Goin . Raymond J . Goin , trustee , received a warranty deed from Lois Lewis Cooper to a lot in Arlington , October 23 , 1961 , accord ing to Tarrant County Deed Book 3614 , page 447 . On the same date he gave a warranty deed to Dixon H . Purvis , according to Tarrant County Deed Book 3614 , page 448 . Raymond J . Goin and Dorothy Joyce Goin gave a warranty deed to L . C . Thomasson August 4 , 1962 to a lot in Arlington , according to Tarrant County Deed Book 3718 , page 379 . A Dorothy Goin received a warranty deed December 18 , 1970 from George W . Balcher to a lot in , Laguna Park , Texas as " her separate property " according to Bosque County , Texas Deed Book 214 , page 37 . Capt . James F . Gowan lived in Lawton in 1972 , according to the telephone directory . HARMON COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Walter Goins and J . R . Jackson received an oil and gas lease from M . N . Massad August 20 , 1936 , according to Harmon County Deed Book 8 , page 270 . HASKELL COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Martha “ Patsy Goings ” was born about 1839 of parents unknown , according to Mac King Aston . She was married about 1881 to William King who was born December 28 , 1858 . She died March 9 , 1900 , and he died February 22 , 1908 in Whitefield , Oklahoma in Haskell County . William Henry Goins and his wife Elizabeth Goins were resi dents of Briartown , Oklahoma in 1907 . William Henry Goins died prior to 1933 . Elizabeth Goins and her son , James Henry Goins , were listed in the 1933 city directory of Wichita Falls , Texas . In 1934 Elizabeth Goins , " widow of William Henry Goins " and James Henry Goins were living at 303 Patterson . They continued there until 1936 , according to the city directory . From 1941 until 1949 Elizabeth Goins and James Henry Goins maintained their residence at 213 Lamar . From 1951 until 1955 Elizabeth Goins listed her residence as 309 Austin . Elizabeth Goins died January 19 , 1957 in Wichita County , Texas , according to Texas BVS File 567 . Children born to William Henry Goins and Elizabeth Goins in clude : Dock Lee Goins born August 7 , 1898 James Henry Goins born in 1907 James Henry Goins , son of William Henry Goins and Eliza beth Goins , was born in Briartown , Oklahoma . James Henry Goins was married to Miss Edith Bates De cember 27 , 1926 , according to Wichita County Marriage Book 14 , page 52 . It is possible that they were divorced later . James Henry Goins was listed in the 1933 city directory of Wichita Falls , Texas living in the home of his mother at 117 Tulsa . In the 1934 edition James Henry Goins was shown living in his mother ' s home at 313 Patterson . Edith Goins in also rendered as Fannie Edith Knight Goins . James Henry Goins was married [ possibly remarried ] to Edith Hamilton December 27 , 1934 , according to Wichita County Marriage Book 17 , page 59 . Of Edith Bated Goins and Edith Hamilton Goins nothing more is known . Edith Goins appeared in the 1935 and 1936 city directory in the household of James Henry Goins . James Henry Goins was married to Nellie Juanita Williford about 1940 . She was born at Alvardo , Texas in 1933 . She was 18 , he 35 . From 1941 until 1949 James Henry Goins lived with his mother at Nellie Juanita Williford Goins appeared in the 1943 city di rectory along with three children in the household of James Henry Goins . James Henry Goins and Nellie Juanita Willi ford Goins continued to live with his mother at 309 Austin from 1951 until 1955 . James Henry Goins was listed as a driver in the 1952 edition of the city directory . In 1955 he was listed as a junk dealer . In 1957 he appeared as a salvage dealer living at 309 Austin . In 1971 he was listed as a driver for Yellow - Checker Cab Com pany still living at 309 Austin . Children born to James Henry Goins and Fannie Edith Knight Goins include : Glenda Beatrice Goins born July 12 , 1936 Margaret Marie Goins born about 1937 Janice Goins born about 1938 Children born to James Henry Goins and Nellie Juanita Willi ford Goins include : [ child ] born about 1941 James Henry Goins , Jr . born October 16 , 1942 [ child ] born about 1945 Garland Glen Goins born July 13 , 1948 Glenda Beatrice Goins , daughter of James Henry Goins and Fannie Edith Knight Goins , was born July 12 , 1936 , accord ing to Wichita County Birth Book 7 , page 291 . Margaret Marie Goins , daughter of James Henry Goins and Fannie Edith Knight Goins , was born about 1937 . Her birth was recorded in Wichita County Birth Book 15 , page 163 . Janice Goins , daughter of James Henry Goins and Fannie Edith Knight Goins was born about 1938 . She appeared in the 1954 city directory of Wichita Falls as a fountain clerk at Renfro Drugstore , living at 1106 Third Street , the address of James Henry Goins . James Henry Goins , Jr , son of James Henry Goins and Nellie Williford Goins , was born October 16 , 1942 , according to Wi chita County Birth Certificate 5827 . Garland Glenn Goins , son of James Henry Goins and Nellie Williford Goins , was born July 13 , 1948 , according to Wichita County Birth Certificate 27340 . He died the same day July 13 , 1948 , according to Wichita County Death Certificate 9549 and was buried in Riverside Cemetery . = = O = = Maudie Goins , 18 , of Keota , Oklahoma was married June 26 , 1910 to R . W . Cole , 21 , also of Keota , according to Haskell County marriage records . HUGHES COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Mrs . May Goings who was born in 1896 , was married September 7 , 1932 to R . W . Crawford who was born in 1887 , according to Sevier County , Arkansas Marriage Book 20 , page 434 . May Goings was a resident of Holdenville , Okla homa and R . W . Crawford was a resident of Horatio , Arkansas . JACKSON COUNTY , OKLAHOMA James Goins , a Choctaw and Elizabeth Goins were residents of Jackson County in 1877 when a son was born : William Goins born in 1877 William Goins , son of James Goins and Elizabeth Goins , was born in Jackson County in 1877 . He was married about 1900 to Nancy Baker . Two children were born to them , Junie Etta Goins and Roy Goins , according to Linda Branum . KAY COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Harry S . Goans was married to Patricia Ruth Leach Novem ber 10 , 1950 , according to Kay County Marriage Book 42 , page 43 . Of Harry S . Goans nothing more is known . Patricia Ruth Leach Goans was subsequently remarried , husband ' s name Rogers . Children born to Harry S . Goans and Patricia Ruth Leach Goans include : Dennis Ray Goans born in 1951 Dennis Ray Goans , son of Harry S . Goans and Patricia Ruth Leach Goans , was born in 1951 . On September 4 , 1971 he was married to Christa Lynn Overfelt who was born in 1954 , the daughter of Kenneth Overfelt and Goldie Mae Overfelt . Both were residents of Arkansas City , Kansas at the time of their wedding , according to Cowley County , Kansas Mar riage Book A - 46 , page 285 . Apparently the marriage ended in divorce . On May 4 , 1974 Christa Lynn Overfelt Goans was remarried to Julian D . Heer sche at Arkansas City , according to Cowley County Marriage Book A - 47 , page 620 . She was a resident of Arkansas City and he was a resident of Mulvane , Kansas . Julian D . Heersche was born in 1951 . Dennis Ray Goans was remarried to Hila R . Lazzelle September 23 , 1974 , according to Kay County , Oklahoma Marriage Book 69 , page 88 . Of Dennis Ray Goans and Hila R . Lazzelle nothing more is known . Roy D . Goin , white , who was born January 16 , 1897 in Blackwell , Oklahoma , was registered in the draft for World War I in Shoshone County , Idaho . Floyd W . Going and his wife , Norma L . Going , received a war ranty deed to lots in Ponca City , Oklahoma from D . A . Mitchell August 11 , 1950 , according to Kay County Deed Book 179 , page 134 . They sold the property back to Mitchell January 1 , 1951 , according to Kay County Deed Book 181 , page 50 . Thomas Goings , son of Robert Goings , was born in Missouri in 1899 . He was a resident of Lyman , Oklahoma November 26 , 1924 when he was married to Ruth Gilmore , a resident of Bartlesville , Oklahoma , according to Kay County Marriage Book 16 , page 287 . Ruth Gilmore Goings was born in Cali fornia in 1905 . The marriage was preformed in Kaw City , Ok lahoma . Elbert C . Goins and wife received a warranty deed from Dorris I . Kelly May 23 , 1951 to a lot in Ponca City according to Kay County Deed Book 182 , page 557 . = = O = = Charlie H . Goins and his wife , Louise C . Goins received a war ranty deed from John D . Troat November 3 , 1954 to a in Ponca City , according to Kay County Deed Book 196 , page 542 . Charlie H . Goings and his wife , Lillian E . Goings gave a war ranty deed to lots in Wetzel , Oklahoma to Phillip M . Walthall May 27 , 1959 , according to Kay County Deed Book 216 , page 583 . The estate of Charlie Goens was probated in Kay County June 9 , 1961 , according to Kay County Probate Book 20 , page 192 . Bush Goins , Jr . was married to Carol Ann Keathly Septem ber 7 , 1972 , according to Kay County Marriage Book 66 , page 269 . Of Carol Ann Keathly Goins nothing more is known . Bush Goins , Jr . was married to Virginia Anne Sharpe November 14 , 1974 , according to Kay County Mar riage Book 69 , page 182 . Of Bush Goins , Jr . and Virginia Anne Sharpe Goins nothing more is known . = = O = = Janie Lucille Goins was married to James Wesley Suter November 6 , 1974 , according to Kay County Marriage Book 69 , page 168 . D . Etta Gene Goins was married to John McAbee March 5 , 1955 , according to Kay County Marriage Book 46 , page 80 . Linda Kay Goins , a minor , was appointed a guardian June 19 , 1961 , according to Kay County Probate Books 18 , page 248 and Book 20 , page 191 . James S . Goin received a patent from the U . S . Land De partment September 10 , 1900 to the NE Quarter of 28 - 29 - 100 , according to Kay County Deed Book B , page 92 . He was a homesteader in 1889 on the SE / 4 of Section 12 Twp . 17 , Range 7 , according to state land records . Odie E . Goin , son of N . Goin [ perhaps Nelson Goin ] was born in 1904 in Nardin , Oklahoma . In 1929 he was a resident of Blackwell , Oklahoma when he was married to Frieda Argyle Smith , 19 , a resident of Hunnewell , Kansas , according to Kay County Oklahoma Marriage Book 22 , page 97 . She was born in Woodward , Oklahoma , the daughter of J . W . Smith . They were married in Mewkirk , Oklahoma . Odie E . Goin and Frieda Argyle Smith Goin gave a warranty deed to Emery C . Goin September 1 , 1938 to an undivided in terest in land near Nardin , according to Kay County Deed Book 121 , page 61 . A guardian was appointed for Frieda Ar gyle Smith Goin on January 23 , 1959 , according to Oklahoma County , Oklahoma Probate File 40934 . The estate of Frieda Argyle Smith Goin , was probated April 15 , 1959 , according to Kay County Probate Book 19 , page 147 . Odie E . Goin gave a warranty deed to Vere R . Snow June 16 , 1960 to some lots , according to Kay County Deed Book 220 , page 306 . Gertie E . Goin gave a quit claim deed to Flora H . Kirkpatrick September 12 , 1929 to property in Kay County , according to Kay County Deed Book 121 , page 108 . Gertie E . Goin received a warranty deed from Dora L Har rington May 26 , 1936 returning the property she had pur chased in 1933 , according to Kay County Deed Book 97 , page 444 . Gertie E . Goin received a quit claim deed from Perle H . Bull March 20 , 1939 to farmland , according to Kay County Deed Book 122 , page 340 . LATIMER COUNTY , OKLAHOMA William Charles Goins , son of William Angus Goins and Ethel Mae Gober Goins , was born August 29 , 1923 in Wilburton , Oklahoma . He was married about 1946 to Rose Mildred Cowan . She , the fourth child of James Spearman Cowan and Cornelia Rawlinson Cowan , was born June 17 , 1925 in Victoria , Texas . Rose Mildred Cowan Goins died April 20 , 1995 in Pasadena , Texas . LE FLORE COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Bill Henry Goins , son of Charlie Goins and Flora Maple Goins , was born July 20 , 1920 in Poteau , Oklahoma . He died March 1 , 2001 age the age of 80 . His obituary appeared in the “ He was born July 10 , 1920 in Poteau . He was a lifetime resi - dent of the Poteau area and a member of the Double Branch Baptist Church in Gilmore , Oklahoma . He served in the U.S. Army during World War II from Oct . 9 , 1942 until his honor - able discharge January 12 , 1946 . He was awarded the Purple Heart . He was a rancher and worked at Norge [ now Whirlpool ] ) from 1962 until 1980 . He was a lifetime member of the DAV . He was preceded in death by his parents , Charlie and Flora Maple Goins ; sister , Florene Goins Rhynes of Valley Springs , California ; and one brother , Raymond Goins of Stockton , California . He is survived by his wife Florance Goins of the home ; one daughter and son - in - law , Peggy Sue Goins Baxter and Warner Baxter of Poteau ; two grandchildren , Tim Baxter of Tahlequah and Cody Baxter of Stillwater ; three sisters , Opal Goins Snyder of Muskogee , Charlene Goins Lierly of Rose - ville , California and Marie Goins Coleman of Stockton , California ; three brothers , Kenneth Goins and Verlan Goins , both of Poteau and Odie Goins of Roseville , California ; one and aunt , Dollie Goins of Pocola ; Services will be at 2 p.m. Sunday , March 4 at Double Branch Baptist Church with the Rev . Phil McGehee and the Rev . Jerry Williams officiating . Burial will follow in Vaughn Cemetery . = = O = = John H . Goins was enumerated in Household No . 201 in the “ Skullyville Intruder Census of 1896 . ” He headed a household of six people and had lived 10 years in Indian Nation on leased land . He lived near Pocola , Indian Territory which was later in Le Flore County . LOVE COUNTY , OKLAHOMA J . I . Goins was married in 1932 at Marietta , Oklahoma to Rose Riley , the daughter of Will Riley and Jessie Rose Riley . She was a graduate of Kidd - Key College of Sherman , Texas and also attended Southeastern Oklahoma State College . She taught school at Marietta where she was born April 27 , 1905 to Will Riley and Jessie Rose Riley . In 1947 J . I . Goins removed to Ardmore , Oklahoma . J . I . Goins died September 27 , 1991 . Rose Riley Goins died November 22 , 1998 in Ardmore at the age of 93 . She was a member of the Presbyterian Church , Gardenia Garden Club and YWCA . She was buried in Rose Hill Cemetery . Her obituary appeared in the November 23 , 1998 edition of the Daily Ardmoreite : " " Survivors include a son and a daughter - in - law , James R . Goins and Karen Goins of Norman , Oklahoma ; two daughters and sons - in - law , B . C . Harris and Ann Harris of Shawnee , Oklahoma and Harry B . McCain and Jan McCain of Shreveport , Louisiana ; a brother , Carl J . Riley of Marietta ; four grandchildren , Michael Goins Harris of Little Rock , Arkansas , James David Harris of Houston , Texas , Sally Goins Pendarvis of Oklahoma City , Oklahoma and Laura Ann = = O = = Robert “ Frank ” Goins , son of Isaac Goins and Molly Roark Goins , was born December 20 , 1907 at Orr , Oklahoma , according to his obituary in the May 3 , 2000 edition of the “ Daily Oklahoman ” of Oklahoma City . He was married to Mildred Reid May 10 , 1937 . She died in 1992 . He was a U.S. Postal Clerk and a partner in Buddy ’ s Western Wear in Putnam City , Oklahoma . He was a Navy veteran of World War II , serving in the Shore Patrol . He was survived by a daughter , Ola Beth Goins Hays and her husband Douglas Hays of Bromfield , Colorado . He was buried in Memorial Park Cemetery . MC CLAIN COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Charles Goins , age 15 , born in Oklahoma and Eva Goins , age 13 , born in Oklahoma were living with their grandfather , Lon Gray when enumerated in the 1920 census of McClain County , page 223 . Ludie Goins , age 17 , was married to Evie Scroggins , age 15 , October 6 , 1907 at Purcell , Oklahoma , according to McClain County Marriage Book K , page 561 . Children born to Ludie Goins and Evie Scroggins Goins are unknown . Judge J . I . Goins of Marietta , Oklahoma was identified as one of the pallbearers at the funeral of J . E . Rose , pioneer cattleman of Love County by the “ Marietta Monitor ” in its edition of January 24 , 1936 . Monroe Goins , age 27 was married to Susie Taylor , age 22 July 20 , 1902 at Purcell . Children born to Monroe Goins and Susie Taylor Goins are unknown . GD © 147 © 378 GOINS , CLARANCE 26 OK , EULAH L 22wf TX , NOVERNE 4d OK , LUEAMER 3d OK , VIRTY B 1s OK WY © 278 © 76 GOINS , JEFF T 22 TN , AUDREY 21wf OK , ORVILLE T 2s OK , PY © 226 © 33 GOINS , TOM 25s / l OK , DONO 30d TX , VIDA 9g / d OK , LUCLITA 1g / d OK , L / W GOVE M PYLE W . L . Goins , age 44 of Dibble , Oklahoma was married November 28 , 1908 to Mrs . S . A . James , age 41 , according to McClain County Marriage Book , according to McClain County marriage records . He was born in Texas , and Mrs . S . A . James Goins was born in Arkansas . Jasper Gowen was enumerated as the head of a household in McClain County : “ Gowen , Jasper N . 44 , born in AR Belle 38 , born in AR Edith 2 , born in OK Bynum , William 17 , born in TX , stepson ” John Gowens was married to Eva Arnold December 3 , 1911 , according to McClain County Marriage Book 2 , page 381 . “ John W . Gowen ” was enumerated as the head of a household in an enumeration of McClain County : “ Gowen , John W . 28 , born in AR Eva 23 , born in TX , wife Vera 7 , born in OK , daughter Hubert 2 , born in OK , son ” John W . Gowen , 79 , was enumerated as the head of a household in McClain County : “ Gowen , John W . 79 , born in AR Mary 65 , wife , born in TN Bridges , Lee 22 , widow , granddaughter , born in AR ” Lecil Gowens was married to Roma White October 22 , 1925 , according to McClain County Marriage Book 6 , page 321 . Children born to Lecil Gowens and Roma White Gowens are unknown . William L . Gowin , age 20 was married to Della M . Jones , age 19 August 12 , 1906 in Lexington , Oklahoma , according to McClain County Marriage Book I , page 113 . Children born to William L . Gowin and Della M . Jones Gowin are unknown . MC CURTAIN COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Jimmie Going and his wife , Mary Robinson Going , were resi dents of Watson , Oklahoma in 1933 . Children born to Jimmie Going and Mary Robinson Going in clude : Franklin Going born June 19 , 1933 Franklin Going , son of Jimmie Going and Mary Robinson Go ing , was born June 19 , 1933 at Watson , Oklahoma . He was killed March 26 , 1967 in an automobile accident in Cas tro County , Texas , according to Castro County Death Book 6 , page 405 . He was buried at Watson , Oklahoma . Levida Belle Going , who was born in 1913 , was married to Solomon Bowling June 9 , 1939 , according to Sevier County Arkansas Marriage Certificate No . 302 . Levida Belle Going was a resident of Idabel , Oklahoma and Solomon Bowling was a resident of Oak Hill , Oklahoma . = = O = = Lodie Going , age 22 of Idabel , Oklahoma was married July 13 , 1928 to Johnny Kaniatabe , age 25 , also of Idabel , according to McCurtain County Marriage Book 17 , page 214 . Silsainey Jones Goings , " a citizen of the Choctaw Nation and a resident of McCurtain County , " leased a section of land in Carter County , Oklahoma to J . S . Mulden March 26 , 1928 , for $ 75 , according to Carter County Miscellaneous Record Book 1 , page 549 . The lease was witnessed by Vinson Going . McINTOSH COUNTY , OKLAHOMA MURRY COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Thomas J . Goens was born October 15 , 1914 at Sulphur , Oklahoma . During World War II he enlisted in the U . S . Army Air Corps . He was discharged as a private March 10 , 1945 , according to Grady County , Oklahoma Discharge Book 4 , page 8 . At that time he lived in Chickasha , Oklahoma . MUSKOGEE COUNTY , OKLAHOMA > From the ILLINOIS - IOWA - MISSOURI SEARCHER , Vol . 16 # 1 Issue 53 , page 25 ( originally from THE NEWS - REPUBLICAN , Farmington , Iowa , April 6 , 1911 , but the dateline is Muskogee , Oklahoma ) . Married 10 Years , Have 19 Children Muskogee , OK – Mr . and Mrs . Frank Scott of Highland , Kansas , are seeking a home in this state with plenty of land . They will need it , for although they have been married not quite ten years , they are the parents of nineteen children , all boys , and thirteen of them living . They hold the record for triplets , having five sets to their credit , and two sets of twins . All of her thirteen boys are under five years . Recently the Scotts , deciding that they must find more land , went to Alberta , Canada . They were not satisfied there and returned . On the return trip Mrs . Scott and her thirteen children all rode on one first - class ticket . At Omaha the conductor made a vigorous protest . " Madam , you can not carry a whole Sunday School along with you on that one ticket , " he said , " and you need not tell me those are all yours . You will have to pay for some of them . " " The rules of this railroad provide that a child under five years may ride free , when accompanied by its parent with a first - class ticket , do n ' t they ? " retorted Mrs . Scott . " They do , but you will have to show me . " Mrs . Scott dug down into her valise and brought out the Family Bible in which was recorded the names and ages of each of the children . The conductor had to give in . The mother and children occupied five double seats in the homeseekers ' car and paid for only one . The names and ages of the children are : Ashbell , Archer and Austin , triplets 4 1 / 2 years old ; Arthur and Arnold , twins , 3 1 / 2 ; Allan , Almon and Albin , triplets , 2 1 / 2 ; Albert , Albion and Adolph , triplets , 18 months ; Abel and Abner , twins , 6 months . Mrs . Scott is 30 years old and her husband is only a year her senior . The mother and children are now in Highland [ Doniphan County ] Kansas , while the father is in Oklahoma seeking a location . Floyd E . Goins , a skin diver of Muskogee , Oklahoma devel oped the " bends " in a deep dive in 1961 , according to a news paper article . Mr . Frances Goins , age 22 was married November 4 , 1896 to Miss Mintie Cobb , age 21 , according to Muskogee County marriage records . Children born to Francis Goins and Mintie Cobb Goins are unknown . NOBLE COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Stella Luevada Gowing , who was born in 1927 , was married to Frank Penny , who was born February 27 , 1946 in Winfield , Kansas , according to Cowley County Kansas Marriage Book A - 28 , page 416 . Both had been married before and both had been born in Oklahoma . They both showed Billings , Okla homa as their residence . OKLAHOMA COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Samuel Goans , a laborer and Edrie Goans lived at 2918 North Place , according to the 1929 city directory of Okla homa City . = = O = = Finis Goen , a carpenter , believed to be Finis Osborn Goen , lived at South Robinson , Oklahoma City in 1920 , according to the city directory . Finis Osborn Goen was married to Nina Pauline Fleshier Jan uary 27 , 1921 , according to the Wichita County , Texas mar riage Book , page 504 . In 1938 Finis Osborn Goen , a department supervisor , and Nina Pauline Fletcher Goen , lived at 516 North Della Avenue , ac cording to the city directory of Tyler , Texas . On May 4 , 1942 Finis Osborn Goen and Nina Pauline Goen gave a warranty deed to L . D . Decker to a lot in Dallas , Texas , according to Dallas County , Texas Deed Book 2354 , page 532 . Minnie Goen , who was born in 1885 , was married to Benjamin H . Phillips , who was born in 1884 , at Winfield , Kansas September 12 , 1924 , according to Cowley County , Kansas Marriage Book A - 8 , page 272 . Both were residents of Okla homa City 1924 . Laura Goine , a student , lived at 507 West 3rd . Avenue , ac cording to the 1930 city directory of Oklahoma City . Hugh Goings , a chauffeur , and Mrs . Elizabeth Goings , a maid , lived at the rear of 609 West 18th , according to the 1930 city directory of Oklahoma City . Roosevelt Goings and his wife , Elizabeth Goings appeared at the same address in 1930 . Michael G . Goings , an oil field worker , and his wife Ruby Goings , appeared in the 1930 city directory of Oklahoma City living at 1501 West 2nd Street . J . E . Goin received a warranty deed December 19 , 1890 to lots in Oklahoma City for $ 150 , according to Oklahoma County Deed Book 3 , page 49 . = = O = = Samuel Goin , a machinist and his wife , Paralee Goin , roomed at 300 West Washington in 1921 , according to the city directory of Oklahoma City . In 1922 he was listed as a engineer and lived at 617 West Washington . In the 1923 edi tion he was a foreman for Oklahoma Gas & Electric Company and lived at 224 West Chickasaw Avenue in Oklahoma City , according to the directory . Albert S . Goin , a welder , and his wife , Kath Goins , lived at 511 East 9th Street , according to the 1930 city directory . Albert B . Goines , a driver for Crane Company lived at 306 Error ! Reference source not found . " Albert B . Goynes " , a carpenter , and " Viola Goynes " , his wife , lived at 1301 West 1st . Street in 1929 , according to the city di rectory of Oklahoma City . Albert J . Goins was an employee of Dinks Parrish Laundry , and roomed at 205 East 4th Street , according to the city di rectory of Oklahoma City . In 1925 he worked at King ' s , Laundry and lived at 305 West Noble . Albert J . Goins and his wife Ethel Goins , lived at 2921 West 22nd Street , accord ing to the 1928 city directory of Oklahoma City . Alice Goins lived at 1716 West 11th Street , according to the 1926 city directory of Oklahoma City . Andrew Goins and Charles Goins , laborers , lived at 134 SE 27th Street , according to the 1930 city directory of Oklahoma City . Mrs . Caroline Goins in 1923 was an operator for Southwest ern Bell Telephone Company and lived at 709 West 3rd Street , according to the of city directory of Oklahoma City . = = O = = Mrs . C . Goins lived at 19 West 2nd , according to the 1930 city directory . Charles L . Goins lived at 638 [ rear ] West California Avenue , according to the 1923 city directory of Oklahoma City . Clarence E . Goins , an employee of Wilson & Company , and his wife , Mabel Goins , lived at 1414 South Youngs Boule vard , according to the 1920 city directory of Oklahoma City . In 1921 he continued with Wilson & Company , but they lived at 400 West Maple . In 1923 Clarence E . Goins was listed as a plaster living at 638 West California [ rear ] , the address given by Charles L . Goins . In 1925 Mabel Goins was listed as a maid for Dale Rooms , according to the city Edward Goins , a barber , in the 1908 edition of the city di rectory lived at 309 Meade , Oklahoma City . Ethel Goins , a wrapper for Fine Redding Candy Company , lived at 3065 West 22nd , Oklahoma City , according to the 1929 city directory . Eva Caroline Goins died April 5 , 1999 at age 98 , according to the April 7 edition of the " Daily Oklahoman . " = = O = = Floyd Goins , was a butcher for Morris & Company in 1915 , ac cording to the 1915 city directory of Oklahoma City . Gus Goins , also employed by Morris & Company as a la borer , was listed in the 1915 city directory of Oklahoma City . Henry Goins , also employed by Morris & Company as a la borer , was listed in the 1915 city directory of Oklahoma City . = = O = = J . A . Goins was a worker at White Swan Laundry in 1930 , ac cording to the city directory . J . O . Goins was a laundry worker at King ' s Laundry in 1929 . Jesse L . Goins and his wife Ida Goins appeared in the 1907 city directory of Oklahoma City . He was a laborer living at 821 West Reno in 1907 and 1908 . In 1911 his residence was shown at 613 West 3rd Avenue . John Goins , a negro porter , lived at 500 East Grand , accord ing to the 1912 city directory of Oklahoma City . John Goins , a driver , and his wife , Mabel Goins , lived at 100 Error ! Reference source not found . Lee Goins , a trucker , and his wife Mabel Goins lived at 521 N . Kelly Avenue in 1929 and at 703 Wisconsin in 1930 , ac cording to the city directory of Oklahoma City . Linda K . Goins , died February 18 , 1999 at age 58 , according to the " Daily Oklahoman " of February 19 . = = O = = Montie T . Goins , a groundman for Southwestern Bell Tele phone Company , and his wife , Emma Goins , lived at 1745 East 13th Street , according to the 1928 city directory of Ok lahoma City . In 1929 they lived at 1930 Alice . = = O = = Rose Riley Goins died November 24 , 1998 at age 93 , according to the " Daily Oklahoman " of November 25 . Walter Goins , a negro laborer at S & S Company , and his wife , Lizzie Goins , lived at 508 North Wisconsin , according to the 1911 through 1915 city directory of Oklahoma City . Monroe Goins , a laborer , lived at 821 West Reno [ rear ] , the address given by Jesse L . Goins , according to the 1907 city di rectory of Oklahoma City . He lived at 429 Oak Avenue in 1908 . He was apparently married about 1910 , wife ' s name Dollie Goins . In 1912 Monroe Goins , a salter for S & S Company roomed with Mrs . Alice Gardner . Mrs Dollie Goins showed her ad dress as 1517 South Harvey . Later in the same year her ad dress was shown as 306 West Maple . In the 1915 edition of the city directory Dollie Goins , " the widow of Monroe Goins " lived at 301 West Elm . Apparently the couple was divorced . In the 1921 edition Monroe Goins appeared on West Catalpa Avenue with his wife listed as Edna Goins . In 1923 he was a laborer living in the Rockwood Addi tion . In 1920 edition Dollie Goins roomed at 400 West Maple , at 310 Wheeler in 1921 , at 417 West Pine from 1923 through 1926 . In 1927 and 1928 she lived at 812 South Harvey . Chester Goins , believed to be a son of Dollie Goins , a coach cleaner for St . Louis and San Francisco Railway , lived at 310 wheeler , according to the 1921 city directory of Oklahoma City . In the 1923 and 1925 editions he was listed at 417 West Pine . In the 1926 edition he was listed as a helper for Tibs - Dorsey Manufacturing Company and continued to live at 417 West Pine . In the 1927 , 1929 and 1930 issues of the directory he and his wife Corine Goins were shown living at 812 V . Dickson Goins , a laborer , and his wife Ella Goins lived at 517 West California in 1929 and at 1336 Southwest 26th , ac cording to the city directory of Oklahoma City . William B . Goins , an employee of Oklahoma City Mill & El evator roomed at 628 West 3rd Street , according to the 1920 city directory of Oklahoma City . In 1921 he was a millman employed by Hardeman & King Grain Elevator living at 1106 West 2nd Street . In 1923 he lived at 628 West California , rear . Pleasant T . Gooing received a patent to 160 acres of land in Oklahoma County from the federal government July 17 , 1895 , according to Oklahoma County Deed Book 12 , page 342 . Francis J . Gowan was mentioned on a newspaper article in the " Oklahoma Times - Journal " in its February 1 , 1894 edition . = = O = = Mrs . Gertrude Gowan was born in 1876 . She was married to C . W . Bernhardt February 8 , 1914 , according to Oklahoma County Marriage Book 22 , page 22 . She was 38 , and he was 42 . Both were residents of Oklahoma City . = = O = = Mrs . Mac Gowan , a waitress , lived at 4 Error ! Reference source not found . Olin E . B . Gowan in 1923 lived at 2300 West Oak , according to the city directory of Oklahoma City . He a laborer , lived at 614 S . Lee in 1929 and 1930 . Roosevelt Gowan , a negro laborer , lived at 211 North Kelly , according to the 1920 Oklahoma City directory . " Roosevelt Goings , " a porter , and his wife " Elizabeth Goings " appeared in a later edition . Sarah Gowan lived at the YWCA , according to the 1922 city directory of Oklahoma City . In 1923 she , was a bookkeeper for White Sewing Machine Company , roomed at 2224 West 14th Street . W . G . Gowan and his wife , Bessie Gowan , lived at 4 Leonard C . Gowan [ or Goins ] , a concrete worker , and his wife Ethel R . Gowen , lived at 906 West Pottawatomie , according to the 1911 city directory of Oklahoma City . She an ironer for King ' s Laundry , lived at the same address . In the 1912 edition his name was listed as Goins and he was a salter for S&S Com pany , rooming with Mrs . Alice Gardner . In 1915 he a laborer , lived at 520 South Walker . In 1910 Luther Gowen , a salesman for Halsell - Taylor Mar shall Company , and his wife Lydia E . Gowen , lived at 1213 North Robinson . In 1911 he was listed in the city directory of Okla homa City as an agent for Oklahoma National Life In surance Company living at 1215 North Robinson . Miss Mabel Gowen , a domestic , lived at 301 West 14th Street , Oklahoma City , according to the 1911 city directory . Thomas Gowen , a lineman for Oklahoma Railroad Company , and his wife Mandy Gowen , lived at 130 West Washington , Oklahoma City , according to the 1911 - 1912 city directory . Edward L . Gowin , a broommaker for American Broom Com pany , roomed at 1600 West 3rd Street , Oklahoma City , ac cording to the 1922 city directory . Gladys Gowin lived at 1413 West 2nd , Oklahoma City , ac cording to the 1928 city directory . Iopa Gowin lived at 509 East 8th Street , Oklahoma City , ac cording to the 1920 city directory . In 1922 she roomed at 3721 Classen Boulevard . Jessie Gowin also lived at 3721 . Jessie Gowin also lived at 3721 Classen Boulevard from 1923 through 1928 , according to the city directory . He was listed as a student in 1926 , a clerk for T . M . Milam in 1927 and a stenographer for T . M . Milam in 1928 and 1929 . The guardianship of Ruth Gowin " et al " was probated in 1919 . Ruth Gowin , a stenographer . lived at 3721 Classen Boulevard , the address given by Iopa Gowin and Jessie Gowin , from 1922 through 1925 , according to the city direc tory of Oklahoma city . Lula Gowin , a clerk for Oklahoma Book Company , roomed at 615 North Geary Avenue , Oklahoma City , according to the 1925 city directory . Mrs . Mabel Gowin lived at 1409 5th Street in 1928 , according to the city directory of Oklahoma City . Willis A . Gowin , an employee of Ford Motor Company , and his wife , Bessie Gowin , lived at 1141 West 4th Street in 1929 and at 1920 West 39th Street in 1930 , according to the Okla homa City directory . Drewry Gowing received a patent to 160 acres of land near Edmund , Oklahoma from the federal government January 20 , 1897 . On May 1 , 1897 he and his wife Nancy Jane Gow ing sold 79 acres of their property for $ 200 , according to Ok lahoma County Deed Book 12 , page 67 . On February 17 , 1898 they deeded one acre to the Church of Christ , according to Deed Book 14 , page 97 . In 1915 they were residents of Edmund , Oklahoma . Harvey Goins and John Gowins , laborers , lived at 1310 N . Broadway in 1930 , according to the city directory of Okla homa City . George Gown lived at 231 West 3rd Street , Oklahoma City , ac cording to the 1911 - 1912 city directory . Alice V . Goyne , a student , lived at 103 No . 9th Street in 1929 and at 723 West 25th Street in 1930 , according to the city di rectory of Oklahoma City . C . A . Goyne appeared for adoption in 1921 in Oklahoma County probate file No . 4739 . Esther P . Goyne , a stenographer for V . V . Campbell Com pany , lived at 1617 East 10th , Oklahoma City , in 1927 and at 103 West 9th Street in 1928 , and in 1929 , according to the city di rectory . In 1930 she lived at 723 W . 25th . Ethel Goyne , " widow of P . B . Goyne " an elevator operator and telephone operator at Huckins Hotel , roomed at 1705 West 2nd Street , in 1922 , according to the city directory of Oklahoma City . She continued the employment through 1928 . In 1923 and 1925 she lived at 4 East 8th Street . In 1926 she lived at 122 East 8th Street . In 1927 she lived at 1617 East 10th Street and in 1928 and 1929 at 103 West 9th Street , the addresses given by Esther P . Goyne . In Nevada Goyne lived at West 36th and North Robinson with R . Q . Blakeney , according to the 1922 city directory of Okla homa City . NOWATA COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Mrs . Lena Goins lived “ five miles south of town ” when her daughter , “ Miss Maud Paden was married to Mr . S . Kelley of Afton , ” according to the January 6 , 1911 edition of the “ Fairland News . ” In the following edition of January 13 , 1911 , it was announced that Mrs . Lena Goins had subscribed to the News for her son Riley Goins of Independence , Kansas . In the March 3 , 1911 edition Lena Goins filed a notice of sale of real estate as the guardian of Okley Goins . She made a business trip to Miami , Oklahoma in that week . Mrs . Lena Goins , who lives on Route 2 , was in the city Satur - day and had the News sent to her son , William R . Paden of Seattle , Washington , according to the “ Fairland News ” of May 31 , 1912 . A . K . Goins “ will have a sale of farm implements , horses , etc . , on Main street tomorrow afternoon at 2 o ' clock , ” according to the “ Fairland News ” of March 17 , 1911 . Andy Goins , George Rhonemus , F . M . Conner and W.B. Hillen attended the church conference of the Latter Day Saints at Joplin last Sunday according to the of October 13 , 1911 . Jesse “ Uncle Doc ” Goins died January 9 , 1912 in Ottawa County , according to his obituary published in the January 12 , 1912 edition of the “ Fairland News : ” “ Jesse Goins , familiarly known as " Uncle Dock , " aged 80 years , and well known over this section of the coun - try , died at the home of R.M. Hale , his son - in - law , last Tuesday morning at an early hour . Mr . Goins had been afflicted with asthma for years , and frequently had great difficulty in breathing . When discovered by the family , he was in a half sitting position in bed , and life was ex - tinct . He evidently passed away without much of = = O = = “ John Goins and Ab Goins came in from Pe Ell , Wash , last Sunday morning . They all drift back to Fairland sooner or later , ” according to the of October 13 , 1911 . “ John Goins is erecting a new residence in the west part of town , ” according to the of November 3 , 1919 October 13 , 1911 . V . T . Goins placed a notice in the of November 15 , 1912 : “ I will have a turkey shooting match , Tuesday , Novem - ber 26 , at my farm three miles south of Fairland . Every - body invited . V.T. GOINS ” Edna F . Gowen , 72 , Bliss Restaurant cook , died June 30 , 2000 , according to her obituary in the “ Tulsa World . ” Nova R . Gowen , 74 , of South Coffeyville , Oklahoma , employee of Continental Can Company , died September 18 , 2000 , according to her obituary in the “ Tulsa World . ” Her funeral service was held at the First Baptist Church in Coffeyville , Kansas . W . E . Goins was a resident of Route 2 , Fairland , according to the February 16 , 1912 edition of the “ Fairland News . ” OKMULGEE COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Several individuals of interest to Gowen chroniclers were listed in the early marriage books of Okmulgee County , ac cording to " Marriage Records of Okmulgee County , Okla homa , 1907 - 1922 " . The transcript covered marriage books 1 through 11 . = = O = = Ethel Goans was married about 1911 , according to Okmulgee County Marriage Book 2 , page 216 . Annie Goin was married about 1918 , according to Okmulgee County Marriage Book 8 , page 164 . = = O = = Charles Goin was married to Viola Gozza May 31 , 1914 , ac cording to Okmulgee County Marriage Book 4 , page 180 . Of Charles Goin and Viola Gozza nothing more is known . David Mack Goin , who was born April 1 , 1936 at Okmulgee , Oklahoma , was discharges from the U . S . Army March 1 , 1957 . He , a single man , had enlisted March 2 , 1955 . At the time of his discharge he showed his residence as Jal , New Mexico , according to Lea County , New Mexico Discharge Book 9 , page 330 . He was married to Virginia Ann Todd at Kermit , Texas June 7 , 1958 , according to Winkler County , Texas Marriage Book 3 , page 324 . In 1967 David Mack Goin , a school teacher , and Virginia Ann Todd Goin , were living at 2904 Virginia Av enue with two children , according to the 1967 city directory of Clo vis , New Mexico . David Mack Goin and Virginia Todd Goin purchased a lot in Clovis , New Mexico August 15 , 1969 , according to Curry County , New Mexico Deed Book 49 , page 688 . They gave a warranty to Richard A . Leighton , Jr . March 6 , 1967 , accord ing to Curry County Deed Book 133 , page 385 . James Goin , " a single man of Okmulgee , Indian Territory , " gave a warranty deed to lots in South Oklahoma City March 27 , 1897 , according to Oklahoma County Deed Book 12 , page 19 . W . A . Goin lived at 711 S . Belmont in Okmulgee , according to the 1929 telephone directory of the town . = = O = = Biddie Goings was married about 1917 . according to Okmul gee County Marriage Book 7 , page 287 . J . W . Goings was married to Cora Kabe November 4 , 1914 , according to Okmulgee County Marriage Book 4 , page 360 . Of J . W . Goings and Cora Kabe Goins nothing more is known . Frank Goins was married to Eva Malone May 9 , 1914 , ac cording to Okmulgee County Marriage Book 4 , page 157 . Of Frank Goins and Eva Malone Goins nothing more is known . Edith Gowen was married about 1913 , according to Okmulgee County Marriage Book 4 , page 4 . W . E . Goins lived at 801 S . Belmont in 1929 according to the 1929 telephone directory of Okmulgee . Marie Gown was married about 1920 , according to Okmulgee County Marriage Book 10 , page 603 . OSAGE COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Annette Miner wrote September 30 , 2002 seeking Charles Goings : “ I am looking for information on Charles Goings [ Go - ing , Goins , Goin etc . ] who had an address of Pawhus - ka , Oklahoma in 1930 . He was probably in this loca - tion between 1910 and 1935 . Possibly he died there . He was born about 1860 . He was not in the 1920 cen - sus of Osage County . He may have been living in Pawhuska under an alias . ” Charlotte Arlene Goins was born September 12 , 1942 at Pawhuska , Oklahoma of parents unknown . She was married October 14 , 1970 to Cletus L . Wilson of Cleveland , Oklahoma who was born April 22 , 1941 at Adair , Oklahoma , according to Curry County , New Mexico Marriage Book 78 , page 36483 . In 1970 she lived in Amarillo , Texas . = = O = = James Columbus Gowen was born 1846 , place and parents un known . He was married to Margaret Catered Bienroth about 1866 who was born in 1846 also . James Columbus Gowen died in 1911 , according to " Ancestral Outlines , " page 27 by Norman E . Gillis , Box 9114 , Shreveport , Louisiana . Children born to James Columbus Gowen and Margaret Catered Bienroth Gowen include : Sarah Jane Gowen born 1877 Sarah Jane Gowen , daughter of James Columbus Gowen and Margaret Catered Bienroth Gowen , was born in 1877 . About 1898 she was married to Jesse Alexander Johnson who was born in 1874 . Jesse Alexander Johnson died in 1957 and Sarah Jane Gowen Johnson died in 1959 . Grandchildren of Jesse Alexander Johnson and Sarah Jane Gowen Johnson include : Nancy Eloise Johnson born in 1930 Nancy Eloise Johnson , granddaughter of Jesse Alexander Johnson and Sarah Jane Gowen Johnson , was born in 1930 . She was married about 1952 , husband ' s name Childers , and later lived at Sand Springs , Oklahoma . OTTAWA COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Lena Paden Goins , a widow of Fairland , Oklahoma and mother of eight children was rejected as an applicant for enrollment as a Cherokee in 1908 , according to " Cherokees by Blood : Records of Eastern Cherokee Ancestry in the U . S . Court of Claims , 1906 - 1910 " by Jerry Wright Jordon . She claimed to be the guardian of Ezra Goins and Okley Goins . She was also guardian of Bennie Paden , 10 ; Riley Paden , 11 ; Kittie Paden , 15 and Russell Paden , 16 . R . C . Goins lived in Miami , Oklahoma in October 1971 , ac cording to the telephone directory . PAWNEE COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Johnathan Lesley Gowing was born October 7 , 1881 . He was married about 1910 , wife ’ s name Winnie Belle . He died De - cember 29 , 1915 . He was crushed while trying to butcher a hog hanging on a tripod when the tripod collapsed upon him . He was confined to bed and died with pneumonia . Winnie Belle Gowing was remarried about 1918 to Jim Branum and removed to La Junta , Colorado , according to Julia Tenorio , a descendant of Rocky Ford , Colorado . Julia Tenorio wrote August 23 , 2001 , “ There were other mem - bers of the Gowing family who lived in Pawnee County area . All were buried in the Maramec Cemetery at Maramec , Okla - homa : “ Mrs . Pearl M . Gowing Fugate , perhaps a sister to Johnathan Leslie Gowing , was born May 19 1897 and died August 18 , 1920 . Martin L . Gowing , perhaps a brother to Johnathan Les - lie Gowing , was born in 1871 and died in 1920 . Myr - tle Gowing , “ wife of Martin L . Gowing ” was born in 1871 and died in 1920 Martin Gowing , perhaps the father of Johnathan Leslie Gowing , was born November 9 , 1835 and died March 7 1909 . Evert Gowing was born in 1901 and died in 1920 . ” Children born to Johnathan Lesley Gowing and Winnie Belle Gowing include : Mary Viola Gowing born July 2 , 1906 Homer Leonard Gowing born July 29 , 1912 Mary Viola Gowing , daughter of Johnathan Lelie Gowing and Winnie Belle Gowing , was born July 2 , 1906 . She died Feb - ruary 9 , 1917 and was buried in Maramec Cemetery . Homer Leonard Gowing , son of Johnathan Leslie Gowing and Winnie Belle Gowing , was born July 29 1912 . He died July 12 , 1914 and was buried in Maramec Cemetery . PONTOTOC COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Ben Going , son of Alfred Going and Eliza Going , died in 1904 and was buried in Goodwater Cemetery located east of Ada , Oklahoma . He was married to Sophie Hudson , daughter of Washington Hudson . Children born to Ben Going and Sophie Hudson Going are unknown . POTTAWATOMIE COUNTY , OKLAHOMA William B . Gowin was born in Kentucky in 1877 . On Octo ber 24 , 1907 when he was married to Dollie Sullivan , he was a resident of Shawnee , Oklahoma , according to Oklahoma County Marriage Book 11 , page 135 . Dollie Sullivan was born in Missouri in 1888 . PUSHMATAHA COUNTY , OKLAHOMA J . I . Goen was married to Miss Lillie Barton [ Bunton ? ] according to Pusmataha County Marriage Book 3 which was recorded between 1916 and 1919 . Children born to J . I . Goen and Lillie Barton Goen are unknown . ROGER MILLS COUNTY , OKLAHOMA The obituary of James Walton Goin , Jr . who died April 10 , 2003 appeared in the April 11 edition of the “ Salem Statesman - Journal : ” “ James Walton Goin , Jr . was born September 15 , 1923 to James W . Goin , Sr . and Emma Mae Stamper in Ro - ger Mills County where he grew up on the family farm . He proudly served in the 42nd [ Rainbow ] Division in the US Army during the Battle of the Bulge in WWII where he helped liberate Dachau . It was then that he met his wife Gertrude “ Trudy ” Veits . They were mar - ried October 30 , 1946 in Vienna , Austria . After the war they made their home in Crawford , Oklahoma be - fore finally removing to Salem , Oregon . He earned a Masters Degree in Business and a Bachelors Degree in Science / Psychology before retiring at age 58 from the State He was preceded in death by his parents ; wife , Trudy Viets Goin ; brother , Carol Goin ; sister , Lola Goin and grandchildren J . J Burroughs , Rence Burroughs , Alex Burroughs , and Alicia Burroughs . He is survived by brother , George W . Goin ; son , Gary Dean Goin of Noti , Oregon ; daughter , Vera Marlene Goin Burroughs and her husband Julian Burroughs of Salem ; daughter , Candice Darlene Goin Marsden ; grandchildren , Matthew , Christopher , Tyrone and Danielle Burroughs . Services will be held at Belcrest Memorial Park April 14 , 2003 at 11 a.m. in Salem . Arrangements are by Howell - Edwards - Doerksen with Rigdon Ransom Fun - eral Directors . ” Mary Goin , born in 1908 , was a resident of Crawford , Okla homa in 1930 . She was married February 26 , 1930 to Scott Springer who was born in 1902 , according to Beckham County , Oklahoma Marriage Book 11 , page 164 . Mrs . Vada Naomi Meyer Goins , native of Leedey , Oklahoma died January 21 , 1991 , according to her obituary published in the “ Cheyene Star ” of Cheyene , Oklahoma : “ Vada Naomi Goins , 61 , of Upland , California died January 21 , 1991 in Upland . She was born in Okla - homa near Leedey , Oklahoma the daugher of Arnold and Katie Meyer . She had lived in Upland for 40 years . She worked in Accounts Payable for Chaffey Joint Union High School District for 13 years . She was a member of the Upland Brethren in Christ Church ; Hi - ho Club and Kitchen Committee ; served as member of the Pacific Conference Board of Stewardship and Fi - nance ; Satsuki Azalea , Bonsai Society , Balkden Bonsai Kenkyukai ; Santa Anita Bonsai Socity and the Inland Empire Bonsai Society . Mrs . Goins is survived by her husband , Dwight L . Goins ; a son , Rodney A . Goins of Cucamonga ; three daughters , Patricia Goins Kennedy of Ontario ; Cheryl Goins Edwards of Upland ; and Ceclia Goins of Alta Loma ; her father , Arnold Meyer of Oklahoma ; three brothers , Delbert Myers of Leedey , Oklahoma , Vernon Meyer of Las Cruces , New Mexico and Dale Meyer of Phelan , California and three grandchildren . Services were held in the Upland Brethren in Christ Church . Interment was in the Bellevue Memorial Park , Ontario . Contributions may be made to the Vada Goins Memorial Fund , care of Security Pacific Bank , 40 W . Foothill Blvd . Upland , California , 91786 . ” SEMINOLE COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Mrs . Eunice Goins of Seminole , Oklahoma was listed as a survivor of her mother , Mrs . Fern Hill who was born December 31 , 1912 at Texanna , Oklahoma and died September 7 , 2003 in Checotah , Oklahoma . The obituary of Mrs . Hill appeared in the September 11 edition of the “ Indian Journal . ” SEQUOYAH COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Missouri R . Goins of Vian , Oklahoma was enrolled as a Cherokee in 1907 , according to " Cherokees by Blood : Records of Eastern Cherokee Ancestry in the U . S . Court of Claims , 1906 - 1910 " by Jerry Wright Jordon . She showed her family as : " Goins , Sherman 39 Missouri R . 29 Moore , Jessie 11 , daughter of wife Goins , Janette 6 , daughter Ethel 4 , daughter She was recorded as a " daughter of No . 194 enrolled in 1851 in Skin Bayou . " Maggie Goins , No . 8311 , age 22 , was married to T . B . Cooksey , age 39 , September 25 , 1893 , according to Sequoyah County marriage records . T . E . James and Sarah Goins James were residents of Gore , Oklahoma in 1921 when a daughter was born : Martha E . James born January 9 , 1921 Martha E . James , daughter of T . E . James and Sarah Goins James was born at Gore January 9 , 1921 . She was married December 5 , 1947 in Visalia , California to Gene T . Risley . She , a resident of Gore , died April 26 , 2002 in Ft . Smith , Arkanas . TEXAS COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Minnie Sharon Gowens was born September 26 , 1948 at Guy mon , Oklahoma . In 1972 she was a resident of Amarillo , Texas . She was married September 26 , 1972 to Richard A . Gabel , Amarillo , who was born February 27 , 1945 at Amar illo , according to Curry County , New Mexico Marriage Book 80 , page 38404 . TULSA COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Carole Goins who was born in 1935 , was married to Emmet L . Terril , who was born in 1933 , in Cowley County , Kansas February 3 , 1962 , according to Cowley County , Kansas Mar riage Book A - 40 , page 509 . Carole Goins was a resident of Tulsa at the time of her marriage . = = O = = John Thomas Goins , who was born in Tulsa , Oklahoma in 1924 of parents unknown , was married to Anne Josephine Lopez , who was born in 1924 in Fresno , California . In 1948 they lived in Monahans , Texas where he was a der rickman for Magnolia Oil Company . Children born to John Thomas Goins and Annee Josephine Lopez Goins include : Peggy Ann Goins born September 26 , 1948 Peggy Ann Goins , second daughter of John Thomas Goins and Anne Josephine Lozez Goins , was born September 26 , 1948 , according to Ward County , Texas Birth Book 9 , page 307 . Mary Goins was born about 1824 to Allen Eugene Simmons who was born in 1901 in Joplin , Missouri to John Simmons and Nancy Thomas Simmons . Allen Eugene Simmons died in Tulsa about 1984 . Bert Gowan lived at 901 North Elgin , according to the 1982 Tulsa telephone directory . He continued there in 1978 at 1937 South 68th E . Avenue . = = O = = E . B . Gowans lived at 3450 South Troost , according to the 1972 Tulsa telephone directory . He continued there in 1978 . Ed Gowans , who operated Ed Gowans Insurance Agency , lived at 1915 South College , according to the 1972 Tulsa tele phone directory . He continued there in 1978 . Harry W . Gowans wrote " Teaching Tulsa ' s Teachers " which appeared in " School Executive " in October 1939 . = = O = = Claudie Gowen , Social Security No . 444 - 07 - 0291 , was born February 6 , 1890 and died in Tulsa , Oklahoma in October 1976 . DeWayne Gowen , a technician for Wilkerson Chevrolet , Inc . , lived at 858 East 52nd Street North , according to the 1971 Tulsa City directory . Howard W . Gowen , an employee of Liberty Glass Company , and his wife , Jane Gowen , lived at 116 - A North Lewis Av enue , according to the 1971 city directory of Tulsa . Jack Gowen lived at 10323 East 21 st Place , according to the 1971 city directory of Tulsa . Theo J . Gowen , a foreman for Hoffman Fixture Company , lived at 412 South 192 192nd East Avenue in 1978 . Mrs . Virginia Morgan Gowen of Tulsa was a daughter of Everette Lee Morgan who died October 23 , 1991 at Dallas , Texas , according to the October 24 , 1991 edition of the " Ft . Worth Star - Telegram . " Everette Lee Morgan and his wife Rowena Morgan had lived at Granbury , Texas for 12 years prior to his death . Judy Gowin lived at 2632 East 5th Street , according to the 1972 telephone directory of Tulsa . Ralph Gowin lived " northeast of the city " , according to the 1972 telephone directory of Tulsa . He continued to live there in 1978 . = = O = = Sarah Gowin wrote " Why , Why , Why " which appeared in " Education Forum " Volume 37 , page 107 , November 1972 . WAGONER COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Gertha Goiens , age 34 was married June 19 , 1934 to Virnie K . Hogan , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book = = O = = Floyd E . Goines , age 23 was married January 12 , 1962 to Frances Raines , age age 19 , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 21 , page 521 . Children born to Floyd E . Goines and Frances Raines Goines are unknown . Linda Goines , age 18 , was married January 10 , 1970 to Mark Watkins , age 19 , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 28 , page 105 . Louise Going , age 18 , was married June 20 , 1930 to Earl Kin sey , age 21 , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 11 , page 16 . A . L . Goins , age 30 , of Coweta , Oklahoma , was married De cember 24 , 1923 to Maggie Flippin , age 31 , negro , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 2 , page 154 . Children born to A . L . Goins and Maggie Flippin Goins are unknown . Bush Goins , age 35 was married August 22 , 1921 to Rena Morris , age 24 , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 6 , page 578 . Of Bush Boins and Rena Morris Goins nothing more is known . Christine Goins , age 18 , was married July 29 , 1944 to Vernon L . Hobbs , age 21 , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 17 , page 378 . Fred Goins , age 55 and Sarah Payne , age 58 , " both of Tulla hasee " were married [ no date recorded ] , about 1907 , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 3 , page 190 . No children were born to Fred Goins and Sarah Payne Goins . Grace Goins , age 22 was married April 28 , 1932 to J . A . Thornton , age 28 , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 11 , page 603 . James R . Goins , age 35 was married August 1 , 1923 to Lucy Hartsfield , age 25 , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 7 , page 497 . Children born to James R . Goins and Lucy Hartsfield Goins are unknown . Jess Austin Goins , age 22 was married to Gail Frances Dennis , age 19 October 17 , 1973 , according to Wagoner County Mar riage Book 26 , page 34 . Of Jess Austin Goins and Gail Frances Dennis Goins nothing more is known . Glen L . Goins , age 23 , was married December 28 , 1976 to Donnetta Durkee , age 23 , according to 27 , page 196 . Children born to Glen L . Goins and Donnetta Durkee Goins are un known . Webster Goins , age 45 was married April 24 , 1959 to Wilma Jean Nelson , age 27 , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 20 , page 616 . Of Webster Goins and Wilma Jean Nelson Goins nothing more is known . William Goins , Jr , age 21 , was married to Glenda Mae Gibbs , age 16 December 9 , 1972 , according to Wagoner County Mar riage Book 25 , page 375 . Of William Goins , Jr . and Glenda Mae Gibbs Goins nothing more is known . William D . Goins , age 18 , of Coweta , Oklahoma , was married July 8 , 1968 to Veronica Delores Easily , age 16 , negro , ac cording to Wagoner County Marriage Book 7 , page 464 . Chil dren born to William D . Goins and Veronica Delores Easily Goins are unknown . Woodrow Bristow Goins , age 56 was married September 5 , 1969 to Donna Sue Brown , age 16 , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 24 , page 318 . It is unknown how many years of married life were accorded to Woodrow Bristow Goins and Donna Sue Brown Goins . Bert Gowan , age 46 was married January 28 , 1955 to Zelma K . Hunt , age 44 , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 19 , page 532 . It is beleived that no children were born to Bert Gowan and Zelma K . Hunt Gowan . Charles Gowin , age 26 was married January 13 , 1915 to Dale Nichols , age 26 , according to Wagoner County Marriage Book 4 , page 191 . WASHITA COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Frank Goin deeded land to D . B . Finley May 23 , 1916 , ac cording to Washita County Deed Book 51 , page 469 and again July 2 , 1920 , according to Washita County Deed Book 3 , page 167 . Robert M . Goins deeded 369 acres of land to Thomas E . Hol land June 4 , 1901 , according to Washita County Deed Book 3 , page 358 . On January 3 , 1902 he deeded 609 acres to Elbert Griffith , according to Deed Book 3 , page 609 . On September 26 , 1902 he deeded land to James Horton , ac cording to Washita County Deed Book 4 , page 375 . he gave a warranty deed to William H . Harper October 17 , 1903 to Washita County land . = = O = = Charley R . Goins , Foss , Oklahoma , was married to Lena Hoff man , also of Foss , July 18 , 1906 , according to Washita County marriage records . Charley R . Goins was born in Kentucky in 1877 . Lena Hoffman Goins was born in Mis souri in 1888 . On January 1 , 1916 Lena Hoffman Goins deed land at Cordell . Oklahoma to Harry Hoffman , according to Washita County Deed Book 47 , page 406 . On April 15 , 1918 Charley R . Goins and Lena Hoffman Goins deeded land to Harry WOODWARD COUNTY , OKLAHOMA Alice Mae Goyen was born about 1922 of parents unknown . She was married August 12 , 1941 in Woodward County to Gordon Douglas Compton who was born September 10 , 1919 to Marvin Compton and Stella Haney Compton in Lenora , Oklahoma . He died Saturday , January 6 , 2001 at Woodward Hospital and Health Center , according to his obituary : “ The funeral for Gordon Douglas Compton , 81 , will be at 2 p.m. today at Faith United Methodist Church . The Revs . James Steenbergen and Larry Masoner will officiate . Burial will be in Elmwood Cemetery . Arrangements are by Billings Funeral Home . He was raised on a farm and attended country schools in the Lenora area . After his education , he worked with his father . During the Depression , he worked in agriculture in Colorado and California . On Aug . 12 , 1941 , he married Alice Mae Goyen at Woodward . They lived in Seiling , Oklahoma for a time before moving to Lenora , Oklahoma . He was employed by Antone Kune . On April 12 , 1944 , he enlisted in the Army and was honorably discharged on May 14 , 1946 . They moved to Taloga , Oklahoma . He worked for Vanderwork Herefords the next 29 years . In May 1975 , they moved to Woodward . He worked for the Soil Conservation Service , retiring after 13 years of employment . He then work - ed for Hunters Livestock Supply part - time for four years . He was a member of Faith United Methodist Church . Sur - viving are his wife , Alice ; one son , Mervin of Woodward ; two daughters , Marlene Crossland of Woodward and Belva Tem - pleton of Elk City , Oklahoma . OREGON A . W . Gowan was a member of the Oregon State Legislature in 1893 . In 1895 and 1897 he was serving in the Senate . CLACKAMAS COUNTY , OREGON Winfield Gowan was married April 6 , 1899 in Clackamas County to Emma C . Parrish , according to " The Parrish Family " by Scott Lee Boyd . Emma C . Parrish was born August 19 , 1877 and died October 17 , 1919 . Children born to Winfield Gowan and Emma C . Parrish Gowan are unknown . HARNEY COUNTY , OREGON Ardath Lavern Gowan was born March 24 , 1924 at Burns , Oregon of parents unknown . In 1943 she was living in Port land , Oregon . She was married October 5 , 1943 to Phillip Paul DeLuca , who was born in Chicago , Illinois November 18 , 1920 . At the time of his marriage he was stationed at Clovis Army Air Base , Clovis , New Mexico , according to Curry County , New Mexico Marriage Book 27 , page 4106 . JACKSON COUNTY , OREGON Billy Gowen , age 18 , a servant born in Oregon appeared in the 1880 census of Jackson County , Oregon . He was living in the household of W . Owens , Household No . 26 . KLAMATH COUNTY , OREGON Sheriff Gowen of Klamath County was a law officer in 1893 , according to the September 28 , 1893 edition of the “ Lake County Examiner . ” = = O = = Gowen Godowa , son of John Godowa and Lizzie Godowa , was born about 1891 in Klamath County . His father died December 16 , 1935 , according to his obituary published in the December 17 edition of the “ Klamath Falls Evening Herald . ” “ John Godowa passed away at the Klamath Agency on Monday evening Dec . 16 , following a brief illness . He was a native of Beatty and was aged 70 years when called . He leaves his wife , Lizzie Godowa ; two sons , Morgan Godova and Gowen Godova ; grandsons , James and Leonard ; four granddaughters , Hattie Baker , Ra - chel Noneo , Clara Godowa and Rose Turner , all of Beatty ; also a daughter , Mrs . Uma Mack of Fort Bid - well , Calif . , and a grandson , Additional information about his funeral appeared in the December 17 edition : “ The funeral service for the late John Godowa will be held from the Methodist Church at Beatty , at 1 p.m. Friday , December 20 , with the Rev . B.V. Bradshaw officiating . Commitment service and interment will be in the Piute Cemetery . ” Gowen Godowa was mentioned in three marriage records , according to Klamath County Marriage Book 6 , pages 107 , 108 and page 142 : 6 - 107 Winnie Foster , over 21 , and Josie Godowa , over 18 , were married November 13 , 1914 . Witnesses were Loucella George and Inez F . Weeks . Gowen Godowa gave an affidavit . 6 - 108 Gowen Godowa , over 21 , and Annie Skellog , over 18 , were married November 3 , 1914 . Wimmie Foster gave an affidavit . 6 - 142 Kilda Chiloquin , over 21 , and Marjorie Chip , over 18 , were married Mar . 12 , 1915 . Gowen Godowa gave an affidavit . Justice of the Peace E . W . Gowen of Klamath Falls , Oregon was mentioned in a newspaper article published in the July 27 , 1916 edition of the “ Klamath Falls Evening Herald . ” E . W . Gowen , J.P , performed the marriage ceremony of William G . Hoover and Miss Ethel Johns September 13 , 1916 , according to the September 14 edition of the “ Klamath Falls Evening Herald . ” LINN COUNTY , OREGON MULTNOMAH COUNTY , OREGON James W . Going was defeated in an election for Multnomah County Assessor by John Doland , according to " The Oregon Statesman " in its edition of June 13 , 1864 . Going received 487 votes to Doland ' s 841 . " The Albina Weekly Courier " in its February 15 , 1890 edition reported that James W . Going had sold six lots there for a total of $ 1,150 . A Portland newspaper in 1891 stated that James W . Going was an employee of Goldsmith & Loewenberg , dealers in wholesale appliances . In 1891 Going Street in north Portland was named for James W . Going . He received recognition from the City of Portland for being instrumental in " converting the city ' s electrical power into an industrial format , suitable for powering streetcars . " Servicemen buried in the Williamette National Cemetery at Portland , Oregon include : Jack Raymond Goen , b . 05 / 05 / 1929 , d . 11 / 03 / 1979 , US Army , Cpl , Plot : O - 03730 , buried 11 / 07 / 1979 Angelina B . Goens , b . 10 / 12 / 1900 , d . 05 / 03 / 1982 , US Army , Cpl , Plot : R - 02164 , buried 05 / 05 / 1982 John Lawrence Goens , b . 12 / 19 / 1905 , d . 04 / 28 / 1982 , US Army , TSgt , Plot : R - 02164 , buried 05 / 05 / 1982 James Warren Goin , b . 11 / 18 / 1919 , d . 08 / 13 / 1987 , US Navy , S1 , Plot : D - 02296 , buried . 08 / 17 / 1987 Wilbur Jackson Goin , b . 02 / 16 / 1926 , d . 04 / 08 / 1986 , SN1 US Navy , Plot : D - 2038 , buried 04 / 11 / 1986 Felix Calhoun Goings , b . 08 / 07 / 1927 , d . 11 / 27 / 1980 , US Army , Sp3 , Plot : O 0 - 1557 , buried 12 / 08 / 1980 Bright E Goins , b . 01 / 08 / 1914 , d . 05 / 29 / 1975 , US Air Force , SSgt , Plot : A - 02248 , buried 06 / 03 / 1975 Charles Eulas Goins , b . 01 / 09 / 1906 , d . 02 / 13 / 1980 , US Air Force , Pfc , Plot : P - 01109 , buried 02 / 21 / 1980 Andrew D . Gowen , b . 06 / 01 / 1894 , d . 08 / 28 / 1982 , US Army , Cpl , Plot : C 01128 , buried 08 / 30 / 1982 Dennis Allen Cecil Gowen , b . 03 / 31 / 1940 , d . 02 / 05 / 1997 , US Army , Pfc , Residence , Ashland , OR , Plot : 2 03301 , buried 02 / 12 / 1997 Faye Marie Gowen , b . 11 / 02 / 1904 , d . 05 / 08 / 1994 , US Army , Pfc , Residence , Sublimity , OR , Plot : C 01128 , buried 05 / 12 / 1994 Donald L . Gowins , b . 09 / 24 / 1930 , d . 03 / 28 / 1968 , US Army , Pfc , Plot : S 01309 , buried 04 / 02 / 1968 John Mason Gowins , b . 02 / 13 / 1915 , d . 10 / 12 / 1971 , US Navy , Seaman 2nd , Plot : T 0 313 , buried 10 / 19 / 1971 Dr . David Gowing , Portland , Oregon was listed in the 1969 " American Medical Directory . " TILLAMOOK COUNTY , OREGON Lynn Goyne , white , was born August 26 , 1899 in Tallamook County . He registered for the draft during World War I in St . Michael County , Alaska . UMATILLA COUNTY , OREGON F . S . Gowan and Marian Gowan were witnesses to the marriage of John F . Porter and Mary F . angel November 13 , 1876 , according to Umatilla County marriage records . Walter James Goyne was born in Pendleton , Oregon May 29 , 1897 , according to his draft registration for World War I . He was living in Nome County , Alaska at that time . WASCO COUNTY , OREGON Ruth Goen was a member of The Dalles High School graduating class of 1956 . A 45 th reunion of the class was held in September of 2001 . Mrs . Ruth Goen Lantis returned for the reunion , according to a news story and group photograph published in “ The Dalles Chronicle ” September 19 , 2001 . First Lieutenant A . W . Gowan of Company I , Oregon National Guard submitted his resignation to take effect November 1 , 1890 , according to “ The Dalles Daily Chronicle ” of December 15 , 1890 . WASHINGTON COUNTY , OREGON Mable Goyne married about 1918 to Cloyd Oliver Dawson who was born in 1893 in Banks , Oregon . He died about 1957 in Oakland , California . Two children were born to them . WHEELER COUNTY , OREGON Wallace Gowen Trill , white male , was born Febrary 9 , 1880 in Wheeler County , Oregon according to WWI Civilian Draft Registration records . PENNSYLVANIA US FEDERAL CENSUS 1820 First six columns : Free White males First column : under 10 yrs of age Second Column : 10 yrs of age to 16 yrs of age Third Column : between 16 and 18 yrs of age Fourth column : 16 to 26 including head of household Fifth column : between 26 and 45 including head of household Sixth column : 45 yrs and upwards including head of household Next five columns : Free White females Seventh column : under 10 yrs of age Eighth column : 10 yrs of age to 16 yrs of age Ninth column : 16 to 26 including head of household Tenth column : between 26 and 45 including head of household Eleventh column : 45 yrs and upwards including head of hsehd Twelveth column : Foreigners not naturalized Thirteenth column : number of persons engaged in agriculture Fourteenth column : number of persons engaged in commerce Fifteenth column : number of persons engaged in manufacture Slaves : Sixteenth column : males under 14 yrs of age Seventeenth column : males 14 yrs under 26 Eighteenth column : males 26 under 45 yrs of age Nineteenth column : males 45 yrs and upwards Twentieth column : females under 14 yrs of age Twenty - first column : males 14 yrs under 26 Twenty - second column : males 26 under 45 yrs of age Twenty - third column : males 45 yrs and upwards Free Colored : Twenty - fourth column : males under 14 yrs of age Twenty - fifth column : males 14 yrs under 26 Twenty - sixth column : males 26 under 45 yrs of age Twenty - seventh column : males 45 yrs and upwards Twenty - eighth column : females under 14 yrs of age Twenty - ninth column : females 14 yrs under 26 Thirtieth column : females 26 under 45 yrs of age Thirty - first column : females 45 yrs and upwards Gowen Eddy and Catherine Eddy , his wife , were residents of Pennsylvania in 1827 when a son was born . Children born to them include : Isaac Eddy born in 1827 Isaac Eddy , son of Gowen Eddy and Catherine Eddy , was born in Pennsylvania in 1827 , according to the research of Judy Garner . He was married about 1849 to Eliza Jane Burris in Monroe County , Ohio . Children born to them include : Catherine Sarah Eddy born in July 1854 John Goun was described as a " private fourth class " serving in Capt . Phillip Wagoner ' s Company in 1777 , according to " Soldiers of the American Revolution , Philadelphia City , Pennsylvania " by Richard T . Williams Lee Gowan was included in the Pennsylvania Pension List of 1818 . Lt . Col . James Gowan served with the Eighteenth Pennsyl vania Cavalry Regiment from 1861 - 1865 . Nathaniel P . Gowan was listed in unit 150 of the Pennsylvania Infantry , according to the Civil War military roster . = = O = = Robert Gowan was listed in the 115 th Pennsylvania Infantry , according to the Civil War Military roster . Timothy Gowan was listed in the 5 Regiment of the Pennsylvania Artillary , according to the Civil War Muster Rolls . Private Darius Gowen was listed in the 141 st Infantry of Pennsylvania , according to the Civil War military roster . = = O = = Francis Gowen was a soldier from Pennsylvania during the Revolutionary War . At different times he served in the First Pennsylvania Regiment , the Fifth Pennsylvania Regiment and the Ninth Pennsylvania Regiment , according to " The Irish Contribution to America ' s Independence " by Thomas Hobbs McGinniss , Jr . After the war , he received five " final settlement certificates " from the U . S . Government acknowledging money due Francis Gowen . To assist in financing the Revolution the Continental Congress passed a resolution guaranteeing compensation to soldiers who fought at times without pay . In accordance with the resolution , John Pierce , Paymaster General and Commission of Army Accounts , prepared and delivered to the officers and men of the army over 93,000 certificates showing the indebtedness of the Government to each man . According to the " Report of Daughters of the American Revolution " it was not practical to consolidate into one cer tificate all of the amounts due each particular soldier , and sev eral certificates on account of separate items of indebtedness , in some cases for as small a sum as $ 1 , were issued to the same man . In addition to arrearages of monthly pay and payments on currency depreciation account , there was due to the soldiers in the Continental Army at the close of the war what was known as commutation pay . This arose from a promise made in 1776 providing that the end of This issue of certificates began July 11 , 1783 and was practi cally completed by September 15 , 1785 . A few additional certificates were issued up to May 1787 and possibly later . On September 30 , 1796 the Register of the Treasury reported that on January 1 , 1791 the total amount of Army certificates amounted to $ 10,967,145.52 The certificates were issued only to officers and soldiers of the Continental Line . It did not include militiaman who were paid by their respective states . Since South Carolina was " at outs " with the federal government at that time , no South Carolinians were included in the " final settlement certificates . " Three certificates were issued to Francis Gowen and two cer tificates were issued to " Francis Gowen . " It is possible that there were two different individuals with similar names , particularly since both drew $ 80 commutation pay . However researchers generally feel that all five certificates went to the same individual . " Francis Gowan " probably enlisted in the First [ Penn - sylvania ? ] Regiment commanded by Col . D . Brodhead shortly after the beginning of hostilities . He received a " final settle - ment certificate No . 74964 , for $ 40.60 and another for $ 80.00 commutation pay for his service in the First Regiment . He received a certificate No . 68249 for $ 33.30 for services in the Ninth [ old ] Pennsylvania Regiment to January 1 , 1781 . He received certificate No . 70434 for services under the command of Col . Butler in the 5th [ old ] Pa . Regt . for $ 76.00 and Certificate No . 70460 for commutation pay to January 1 , 1783 in the Fifth Pennsylvania Regiment . Francis Gowen appeared on the roster of Gen . Anthony Wayne ' s " Legion of the United States , 1792 - 1796 . " " Pvt . Francis Gowan " received Bounty Land Warrant 9426 for 100 acres of land . The warrant was issued September 4 , 1817 with the notation " no papers . " On July 20 , 1819 he applied for a Revolutionary pension in Wayne County , Michigan Territory , and Pension No . S34902 was granted to him . He remained there in 1821 , according to " Genealogical Abstracts of Revolutionary War Pension Files " abstracted by Virgil D . White . First Lieutenant George W . Gowen enlisted in the Civil War on September 11 , 1861 , according to the Civil War military roster . = = O = = Henry Gowen served as a private in the First Regiment of the Pennsylvania Continental Line during the Revolutionary War , according to " The Irish Contribution to America ' s Independence . " = = O = = James Gowen enlisted in the Civil War on September 18 , 1862 , according to the Civil War military roster . John Gowen was the recipient of two " final settlement cer tificates " from the U . S . Government for his services as a Rev olutionary soldier . He received Certificate No . 73813 for ser vices in the First [ Pennsylvania ? ] Regiment under Col . Broad head . Certificate No . 83072 for $ 22.87 was issued to " John Gowan " for services in the Old Congress Regiment of Pennsylvania for service to July 1 , 1871 . Nathaniel Gowen enlisted in unit 150 of the Pennsylvania Infantry on August 30 1862 , according to the Civil War military roster . = = O = = Robert Gowen enlisted in the Civil War on March 6 , 1862 , according to the Civil War military roster . Private Thaddeus T . Gowen was listed in the 127 unit of the Pennsylvania Infantry , according to the Civil War military roster . Thomas Gowen , assumed to be from Pennsylvania , received final settlement Certificate No . 32398 for $ 33.55 . This series of certificates were given to " Sappers and miners of the United States , paid to November 4 , 1783 ; C . Bushnell , agent . " Private Thomas Gowen was listed in the 69 unit of the Pennsylvania Infantry according to the Civil War military roster . The 1810 census of Pennsylvania listed two Gowen families . Andy Gowen was enumerated in Chester County and John Gowing was shown in Philadelphia County . Corp . Timothy Gowen was listed in the heavy artillery 5 unit of the Capt . George W . Gowen , an engineer in civilian life , had his full - length picture taken shortly after he was commissioned commanding officer of C Company in the 48th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment during the Civil War . He was resplendent in his new blue uniform with all the gold trim and his sabre at his side . The photograph turned out so well that he had another made on his first leave after the victory in the siege of Ft . Macon , North Carolina . These two photographs survive today , 133 years after the death of Capt . [ later Colonel ] Gowen , maintained by U.S. Army preservation specialists in a temperature and humidity controlled , acid - free environment . They are part of a collection of 27,000 photographs of Union Civil War soldiers that have been catalogued and placed online by U.S. Army Military History Institute . Capt . Gowen was cited October 1 , 1963 for outstanding ability in building a military railroad in Kentucky and promoted to major . He was appointed to the staff of Maj - Gen . John G . Parke and moved to Tennessee . He was cited for " conspicuous and gallant conduct " in the Battles of the Wild - erness , Spottsylvania Courthouse , Bethesda Church and Pet - ersburg , Virginia , according to " War Department Series , " Volumes 9 , 30 , 31 , 42 , 46 and 51 . He was named Assistant Engineer of the Army of the Ohio and made aide - de - camp to Gen . Parke who commanded the Ninth Army Corps . Lt . Col . Gowen participated in the stand - off Battle of Petersburg August 14 , 1864 . After his miners tunneled into the Confederate trenches and planted explosives , the stalemate was broken in one tremendous explosion . Gowen was promoted on the field to full colonel . Three days after Robert E . Lee surrendered to Ulysses S . Grant at Appomattox Courthouse on April 9 , 1865 , Col . Gowen died [ perhaps of wounds ] on April 12 . A statue of Col . Gowen was erected in Petersburg . Other soldiers in the photography collection of interest to Foundation chroniclers include Sgt . David Gowen , 7th California Regiment ; Pvt . Benjamin C . Gowen , Nevada Volunteer Cavalry , First Battalion ; Pvt . Gowen Fowles [ r ? ] , Company H , 20th Maine Infantry Regiment and Pvt . Jacques Gowing , Company K , 36th Massachusetts Infantry Regiment , according to the Institute ' s website . The portraits , some full length and some head - and - shoulders view , generally were taken by professional photographers and show the soldiers in their ADAMS COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA George Goyen was recorded as the head of a household in the 1800 census of Adams County , page 475 , recorded as : " Goyen , George white male 26 - 45 white female 16 - 26 white male 16 - 26 white male 0 - 10 white female 0 - 10 " ALLEGHENY COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA George Gowans Cross was born April 18 , 1892 in Amesville , Pennsylvania , according to “ Maryland Military Men in the World War , 1917 - 1919 . ” While living in Barton , Pennsylvania he was inducted into Company C , 66 Engineers Regiment , U.S. Army . He received an honorable discharge from Ft . Dix July 12 , 1919 . He served overseas from June 19 , 1918 to July 7 , 1919 . Christopher Goin was enumerated as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Allegheny County , Enumeration District 128 , page 17 . The family , living on Fayette Street in Pittsburgh , Pennsylvania , was recorded as : " Goin , Christopher 39 , born in England Hannah 39 , born in England Frank 1 / 12 , born in Pennsylvania Downing , Allice 16 , born in England " Joseph Goin was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Allegheny County Enumeration District 51 , page 9 , Charles Township , enumerated as : " Goin , Joseph 53 , born in Luthernges Mary A . 39 , born in Baden Annie A . 5 , born in Pennsylvania William H . 4 , born in Ohio " Evelyn W . Goins of Wilkinsburg , Pennsylvania died May 15 , 1999 , according to her obituary in the “ Pittsburgh Post - Gazette . ” Genie Goins was occupied as a laborer at 293 Spruce in Pittsburgh , according to the 1890 city directory . Helen Goins , 99 , died July 14 , 1994 according her obituary in the “ Pittsburgh Post - Gazette , ” page B - 6 . Richard Goins was occupied as a driver at 2933 Spruce in Pittsburgh , according to the 1890 city directory . No members of the Gowen family were listed in the 1826 city directory of Pittsburgh , Pennsylvania . = = O = = Alexander Gowans was born in 1890 in Amesville , Pennsylvania . He was enlisted in the U . S . Army November 5 , 1917 at age 27 . He was promoted to corporal January 10 , 1918 while serving in Company H , 313th Infantry Regiment . He was overseas from July 8 , 1918 to June 2 , 1919 and served in the Meuse - Argonne campaign . He was honorably discharged June 7 , 1919 . Timothy Gowen , age 13 , was enumerated in the household of Christopher Weldon , age 60 and Catherine Weldon , age 54 in the 1850 census of Allegheny County , Franklin Township . Dr . Ruth Garner Goyne , Sharon Hill , Pennsylvania , was listed in the 1969 edition of the " American Medical Directory . " Margaret McGowan , an Irish emigrant , was enumerated as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Elizabeth , Pennsyl - vania in Allegheny County , Page 229 - B : “ McGowan , Margaret , 47 , white , widow , housekeeper , born in Ireland , father born in Ireland , mother born in Ireland John 20 , son , single , coalminer , born in Scotland , father born in Ireland mother born in Ireland Neal 17 , son , single , coalminer , born in Scotland , father born in Ireland mother born in Ireland Margaret 13 , daughter , born in Scotland , father born in Ireland , mother born in Ireland James 11 , son , born in Scotland , father born in Ireland , mother born in Ireland Joseph 7 , son , born in Scotland , father born in Ireland , mother born in Ireland ” Samuel McGowan , an Irish emigrant , was enumerated as the head of a family in the 1880 census of Pittsburgh , 2 nd Ward , District 3 , page 551 - B : “ McGowan Samuel 34 , laborer , born in Ireland , parents born in Ireland Annie 32 , wife , born in Ireland , par - ents born in Ireland Robert 7 , son , born in PA , parents born in Ireland Samuel 4 , son , born in PA , parents born in Ireland Jane 11 months , daughter , born in PA , parents born in Ireland . ” Robert McGowan , son of Samuel McGowan and Annie McGowan , was born in 1872 in Pittsburgh and appeared as a seven - year - old in the 1880 census of his father ’ s household . Additional information on him is being sought by Cheryl M . Gray , Orlando , Floria . ARMSTRONG COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA John Gowan was enumerated in the 1800 census of Armstrong County , page 199 as the head of a household composed of : " Gowan , John white male 26 - 45 white female 26 - 45 white female 10 - 16 white male 10 - 16 white female 0 - 10 white female 0 - 10 white female 0 - 10 white female 0 - 19 white female 0 - 10 " BEANE COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA R . James Goins was listed as the head of a household enu merated in the 1880 census of Beane County , Enumeration District 206 , page 3 . The family , living in Rochester , Penn sylvania , was recorded as : " Goins , R . James 26 , born in Ohio J . Elizabeth 22 , born in Pennsylvania M . Gertie 11 / 30 , born in Pennsylvania " BEAVER COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA George Gowan was an undertaker living in Beaver County in 1912 , according to Daniel Burrows . BERKS COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA George Gowen was employed as a puddler [ converts pig iron into wrought iron ] at 330 Chestnut in Reading , PA , according to the 1889 city directory . BRADFORD COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Allan Lincoln Gowan and his wife , Millicent Adela Warring Gowan were residents of Bradford County when a son was born : George Benton Gowan born September 17 , 1936 George Benton Gowan , son of Allan Lincoln Gowan and Millicent Adela Warring Gowan , was born September 17 , 1936 . He was married February 21 , 1953 to Beatrice Louise Humphrey . She was born April 18 , 1936 in Bradford County . Children born to them include : William Allen Gowan born August 17 , 1953 Bonnie Sue Gowan born February 23 , 1956 Sherry Lynn Gowan born September 9 , 1957 Deborah Ann Gowan born February 15 , 1959 George Benton Gowan II born September 14 , 1960 Wendy Louise Gowan born March 2 , 1962 William Allen Gowan , son of George Benton Gowan and Beatrice Louise Humphrey Gowan , was born August 17 , 1953 at Sayre , Pennsylvania in Bradford County . He was married May 18 , 1974 to Deborah Ann Farnham . He was remarried in December 1982 , wife ' s name Ann . Children born to William Allen Gowan , Deborah Ann Farnham Gowan and Ann Gowan are unknown . Bonnie Sue Gowan , daughter of George Benton Gowan and Beatrice Louise Humphrey Gowan , was born February 23 , 1956 . She was married August 26 , 1978 to Donald Gene Miller . Sherry Lyun Gowan , daughter of George Benton Gowan and Beatrice Louise Humphrey Gowan , was born September 9 , 1957 . She was married August 12 , 1978 to Harry Sewalt . Later she was remarried in 1988 , husband ' s name Joseph . Deborah Ann Gowan , daughter of George Benton Gowan and Beatrice Louise Humphrey Gowan , was born February 15 , 1959 . She was married November 17 , 1979 to Allan E . West . George Benton Gowan II , son of George Benton Gowan and Beatrice Louise Humphrey Gowan , was born September 14 , 1960 . He was married June 20 , 1981 , wife ' s name Janet . Children born to George Benton Gowan II and Janet Gowan are unknown . Wendy Louise Gowan , daughter of George Benton Gowan and Beatrice Louise Humphrey Gowan , was born March 2 , 1962 . She was married April 30 , 1983 to Mark Wolcott . Donna Marie Gowan was born in 1923 in Athens , Pennsylvania of parents unknown . She died July 8 , 1996 in Riverside , California , according to her obituary in the July 10 , 1996 edition of the “ Riverside Press - Enterprise : ” “ Memorial services for Donna Marie Sawyer , 73 , will be at 2 p.m. today at Central Community Christian Fellowship in Riverside . She died Sunday of cancer at Alta Vista Healthcare in Riverside . Burial will be private . Arlington Mortuary in Riverside is handling arrangements . Mrs . Sawyer , who was born in Athens , Pa . , lived in Riverside 18 years . She was a homemaker for 50 years . She was a member of the Central Community Christian Fellowship for six years . She is survived by a daughter , Sandra Pew of Riverside ; a son , Richard Wheatley of Meshoppen , Pennsylvania , six grandchildren ; five great - grandchildren ; a sister , Janet Gowan O ' Dell of Athens ; and two brothers , James Gowan of Collinsville , Illinois and George Gowan of Sayre , Pennsylvania . ” Florence Gowin , daughter of Cameron Gowin and Carrie Johnson Gowin , was married in Bradford County to Gerald W . Smith on an unknown date . BUTLER COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA An outline of the family and siblings of George McGowan and his wife Margaret Marshall McGowan of Butler County and Beaver County , Pennsylvania was provided to the Foundation by Iris Wakeling : 2 - George McGowan [ born c1825 ] Sp : Margaret MARSHALL ( - ) 3 - Lyle MC GOWAN ( - ) 3 - Mary Kinney McGowan 3 - Annie MC GOWAN ( - ) 3 - William MC GOWAN ( - ) 3 - Elizabeth MC GOWAN ( - ) 3 - Dennis MC GOWAN ( - ) 3 - John M . MC GOWAN ( - ) 2 - Lyle MC GOWAN ( abt 1828 - ) Sp : Levi FINNEY ( - ) 3 - Anna FINNEY ( - ) 3 - William FINNEY ( - ) 3 - Minerva FINNEY ( - ) 3 - FRANK FINNEY ( - ) 3 - Lizzie FINNEY ( - ) 3 - Jack FINNEY ( - ) 3 - Edward FINNEY ( - ) 3 - Olive FINNEY ( - ) 3 - Pearl FINNEY ( - ) 3 - Harry FINNEY ( - ) 3 - Ike FINNEY ( - ) 3 - Myrt FINNEY ( - 8 Jan 1930 ) 2 - William MC GOWAN ( abt 1830 - ) Sp : Amanda SARVER ( 22 Jan 1847 - ) Have found marriage for these . 3 - Andrew MC GOWAN ( - ) 2 - George MC GOWAN ( 1837 - ) 2 - Isaac MC GOWAN ( 1844 - ) 2 - Delilah MC GOWAN ( 1846 - ) 2 - Catharine Ann MC GOWAN ( 1847 - ) 2 - Calvin MC GOWAN ( 1849 - ) CAMBRIA COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Louise V . Gowen was born in Gallitin , Pennsylvania July 15 , 1926 . In 1956 she lived at 2004 Arizona , El Paso , Texas . She was married July 15 , 1956 to Joseph R . Suckinos who was born December 6 , 1925 at Armsbury , Pennsylvania , accord ing to Dona Anna County , New Mexico Marriage Certificate 36556 . The marriage was preformed in Las Cruses , New Mexico . Joseph R . Suckinos was a member of Battery E , 2nd G.M. Ft . Bliss , Texas . CHESTER COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Mary Gowan was born about 1720 , place and parents unknown . She was married about 1736 in Chester County to John Woody III who was born in 1715 , according to a message written January 12 , 1998 by Michael A . Woody , a descendant of Yucaipa , California . It is believed that they were Quakers . Mary Gowan Woody apparently died early in their marriage , perhaps in childbirth . Some uncertainty exists as to the date of her death . John Woody III was remarried December 27 , 1738 at St . George Parish , Baltimore County , Maryland to Mary Lindley who was born September 4 , 1717 at New Garden Monthly Meeting in Chester County . They were disowned by the Quakers for " marrying out of unity . " John Woody III bought 60 acres in Baltimore County , Mary - land in 1739 and sold it in 1754 . He gave his occupation as “ House Carpenter . ” Likely he moved to Orange County , North Carolina about that time . He was listed in the Orange County , North Carolina tax list in 1755 . His brother - in - law Thomas Lindley had moved there in 1753 . John Woody received a land grant of 374 acres in Orange County from the Earl of Granville on August 15 , 1759 . The land lay on the south side of the Haw River and provided a ford across the river . He later operated a ferry on the stream during the Revolutionary War . Years later a bridge was con - structed at the site of the ferry . Woody ’ s Ford was in the vi - cinity of where Mary ’ s Creek entered the Haw River , placing it three miles south of the Saxapahaw , The property was surveyed May 12 , 1756 by William Chur - ton , surveyor , according to Orange County Patent Book 12 , page 52 . Thomas Lindley and Francis Jones were the sworn chain carriers , and W . Churton and William Few were wit - nesses , according to Margaret Hofmann in “ The Granville District of North Carolina 1748 - 1763 . ” Vivian Woody wrote in “ Stream of Time 1638 - 1975 ” “ The legal description of the land read , ‘ Beginning at a hickory at the river and running thence west 40 chains to a white oak , thence south 75 chains to a white oak , thence east 55 chains to a hickory , thence north 26 chains to Haw River thence up the various courses of the said River to the first Station . ’ ” Helen White DeWaard wrote in “ John White of Virginia and North Carolina ” “ In 1759 John Woody received a grant from the State of North Carolina for 374 acres on the south side of Haw River , just above a confluence of the Mary ’ s Creek . The south end of a ford was on their land , and John built and operated a ferry there . Present - day location of this land grant is about 20 miles southwest of Hillsboro , North Carolina now known as Saxapahaw . ” Algie I . Newlin wrote in “ Friends at the Spring , A History of Spring Monthly Meeting , ” “ John and Mary Woody and their children were in the second wave of immigrants to reach the limits of what became Spring Monthly Meeting . They ac - quired a tract of land on the south side of Haw River and just above the confluence of Mary ' s Creek with that stream . The south end of a ford across Haw River was on their land . It came to be known as Woody ' s Ford ; Woody ' s Ferry was near , and later Woody ' s Bridge was built . The remains of the John Woody III died in 1762 in Orange County . Later Mary Lindley Woody removed to Blount County , Tennessee where she died May 21 , 1795 . She was buried there at Friendsville Cemetery . Nine children were born to John Woody III and Mary Lindley Woody . Children born to Mary Gowan Woody include : Joseph Woody born in 1748 Joseph Woody , son of John Woody III and Mary Gowan Woody , was born in 1748 , according to Sal Schwartz , a descendant . He died in 1815 . Children born to him include : Samuel Woody born September 12 , 1770 Samuel Woody , son of Joseph Woody , was born September 12 , 1770 . He died in Maury County , Tennesseee in 1855 . = = O = = Thomas Gowan was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Chester County , Enumeration District 86 , page 27 . The family , living on Dayton Street , Phoenixville , Pennsylvania , was recorded as : " Gowen , Thomas 30 , born in Pennsylvania Bridget 30 , born in Pennsylvania George 2 , born in Pennsylvania Andrew 1 , born in Pennsylvania Joseph 2 / 12 , born in Pennsylvania " = = O = = Andy Gowen was enumerated in the 1810 census of Chester County as the head of a household . John Gowen was recorded in the 1800 census of Chester County , page 905 as the head of a household composed of : " Gowen , John white male over 45 white female over 45 white male 16 - 26 white female 26 - 45 white male 16 - 26 white female 16 - 26 white female 10 - 16 white male 0 - 10 white male 0 - 10 white male over 45 white male over 45 Paula Gowen was serving as the clerk of the Register of Wills and clerk of the Orphans ’ Court in West Chester , Pennsylvania for Chester County in 2004 . CRAWFORD COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Amelia Gowan was born about 1838 in Centerville , New York , a town that is not found in 2000 . She was living in Crawford County about 1858 when she was married to Ira C . Pitcher as his second wife . He was born in 1830 in Cattaruagus , New York to W . S . Pitcher and Jane Ackerman Pitcher . They lived on a 160 - acre farm near Farmington , Pennsylvania . Children born to them include : Ralph N . Pitcher born about 1860 Frank B . Pitcher born about 1862 Eva M . Pitcher born about 1865 Putnam L . Pitcher born about 1868 CUMBERLAND COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA No member if the Gowen family [ or spelling variations ] were listed in " Tax Lists , Cumberland County Pennsylvania , 1750 , 1751 , 1752 , 1753 , 1762 , 1763 , and 1764 " by Merri Lou Scribner Schaumann . = = O = = Gowan Beatty was enumerated as the head of a household in the 1820 census of Crawford County : “ Beatty , Gowan , Free white male 26 - 45 Free white female 26 - 45 Free white male 16 - 26 Free white male 16 - 18 Free White female 0 - 10 ” DAUPHIN COUNTY , PENNSYLANIA Williams Goins was listed as a laborer residing at 113 Cowden in the 1887 - 90 Harrisburg , Pennsylvania city directories . = = O = = The obituary of Mrs . Mary L . Gowen Downs was published in the “ Harrisburg Evening News ” January 30 , 1995 : “ Mary L . Downs , 75 , of 150 Rodney Lane , Hampden Twp . , formerly of Solana Beach , Calif . , died Friday at home . She was a Methodist and a former member of Order of the Eastern Star . Surviving are four sons , Thomas G . of Elizabethtown , William J . of Camp Hill , Patrick of Los Angeles and Timothy M . of Long Beach , Calif ; two brothers , Garret Gowan of Laramie , Wyo . , and Clarence Gowen of Albuquerque , N.M. ; two sisters , Martha Gowen Neale of Kansas City , Mo . , and Joyce Gowen Abele of Boonville , Mo . ; and four grandchildren . ” = = O = = Jim M ' Gowen Decks Hangman In Dauphin County in 1806 " Annals of Harrisburg , Dauphin County , Pennsylvania " by George A . Brooks of Harrisburg , published in 1858 , gives an account of James M ' Gowen and James Jamison . The author writes : " We give an account of all the executions at Harrisburg of persons convicted of murder since the establishment of Dauphin County [ 1785 ] . Execution of James M ' Gowen and James Jamison [ page 214 ] : James M ' Gowen and James Jamison were tried and convicted by the court of Dauphin County for the mur - der of Jacob Eshleman . Monday , the 6th day of De - cember 1806 was the day fixed for their execution at Harrisburg . Jamison , however , effected his escape from durance [ imprisonment ] , and M ' Gowen was con - sequently the only one who suffered the extreme penal - ty of the law on the appointed day . Although the day was excessively cold , a large number of both sexes assembled at an early hour about the jail , with a view to catch a sight of the unhappy culprit . About 12 o ' clock , the culprit was brought of the prison , when a lane was formed by the several militia compa - nies which attended on the occasion . Through this opening he marched with much firmness , behind the cart which contained his coffin , to the gal - lows on the public grounds , near the Arsenal . Here he expressed the desire to address the spectators , and beg - ged a little liquor to exhiliarate his spirits . As he was only thinly clad , and the weather intensely cold , some of the gentlemen on duty offered him a bottle , contain - ing about half a pint , to taste . This he took , and before any interference could be made , he drained it to the last drop . The effect of this rather changed the tragedy to a farce . He became enraged at the executioner , tore off part of the mask the latter had put on to conceal himself , and even knocked him down from the cart . Indeed , such was his beheavior in these , his last moments , that in a great degree eradicated that compassion which many felt for him during his confinement . He was launched into eternity precisely at 1 o ' clock p.m. Jamison was subsequntly arrested near Reading , brought to Harrisburg and likewise publicly executed on the public ground , near the Arsenal . " DELAWARE COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Joseph Gawin came from Ireland on a certificate from Eden berry Monthly Meeting dated March 10 , 1730 , according to " Immigration of the Irish " by Albert Cook Myers . He was received into fellowship by Concord Monthly Meeting , Delaware County , Pennsylvania " 1st 2nd month , 1731 . " ELK COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Adam Gowen was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Elk County , Enumeration District 136 , page 26 , Ridgeway Township composed of : " Gowen , Adam 53 , born in Pennsylvania Elizabeth 49 , born in Pennsylvania Slight , Thomas 5 , born in Pennsylvania " LACKAWANA COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Gowen Funeral Home was located in New Brunswick , Pennsylvnia at 233 Somerset Street in the Year 2000 . LANCASTER COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA " Lancaster County , Pennsylvania Deed Abstracts , Books A - M " by R . Thomas Mayhill listed no Gowens [ or spelling variations ] . Ludwig Fishburn stated in his Revolutionary pension applica tion that he served as wagoner in the fall of 1778 under Wag onmaster John McGowan . They were " engaged in conveying the public arms from Hummelstown to Philadelphia . " Hum melstown was later located in Dauphin County which was organized from Lancaster County . LUZERNE COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA William Gowan was listed as the head of a household enu merated in the 1880 census of Luzerne County , Enumeration District 132 , page 29 , living at Yatesville , Pennsylvania was recorded as : " Gowan , William 29 , born in Pennsylvania Mary 30 , born in Pennsylvania Charles 2 , born in Pennsylvania " William Gowan , Jr . was mentioned in the February 7 , 1890 edition of the “ Wilkes - Barre Evening Leader ” as a justice of the peace at Yatesville . Marion Gowen , a nurse , died February 3 , 1935 , according to her obituary in the “ Hazelton Standard - Courier : ” “ Marion Gowen , daughter of Mrs . Victoria Gowen , of 702 East Diamond Avenue , died at Reading at 4 : 05 p.m. Sunday morning . She was a graduate nurse of the Allentown State Hospital , class of 1929 . Surviving are her mother and the following brothers and sisters : Mrs . Joseph Broski , Hazleton ; Felix Gowen , state policeman stationed at Reading ; Clement Gowen , Newark , N . J . ; Anthony Gowen and Leo Gowen at home . Undertaker Frank H . Bonin removed the body to the home of her mother , from where the funeral will take place at 9 am Wednesday morning . Requeim high mass in Ss . Peter ' s and Paul ' s Lithuanian Church at 9 : 30 . Interment in the parish cemetery . ” = = O = = Pat Gowin was injured in a mine accident June 11 , 1885 in Luzerne County , according to a newspaper report . John McGowan of Plymouth township received a license for a “ quart , ” according to the April 28 , 1883 edition of the “ Plymouth Star . ” Michael McGowan of 114 William Street , Old Forge , Pennsylvania died April 1 , 1936 and was buried in St . Joseph ’ s Cemetery in Minooka , Pennsylvania . Dominick M ’ Gowen , age 15 , received a “ non - fatal injury ” while working in Coal Brook Tunnel June 24 , 1873 , according to the Pennsylvania State Miners ’ Inspection Record . LYCOMING COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Joseph Goings , a negro , was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Lycoming County , Enumeration District 68 , page 2 . The family , living at 103 East Jefferson Street , Williamsport , Pennsylvania was recorded as : " Goings , Joseph 53 , born in Maryland , negro Annie 36 , born in New York Joseph Jr . 20 , born in New York Amanda 17 , born in New York John 15 , born in Pennsylvania James 13 , born in Pennsylvania Jacob 10 , born in Pennsylvania Joshua 6 , born in Pennsylvania Jefferson 2 , born in Pennsylvania " MC KEAN COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Albert Goings of Bradford , Pennsylvania , received the trans fer of an oil and gas lease from R . E . Rogers to 640 acres of land in Crockett County , Texas , on June 17 , 1919 , according to Crockett County Deed Book 19 , page 500 . MIFFLIN COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA William Goins , an English emigrant , was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Mifflin County , Enumera tion District 176 , page 10 , Granville Township . The family was recorded as : " Goins , William 45 , born in England Charlotte 38 , born in Pennsylvania William 6 , born in Pennsylvania James 1 , born in Pennsylvania Otto , Martha 17 , born in Pennsylvania , step - daugh ter " Apparently William Goins was married to Mrs . Charlotte Otto about 1873 . MONTGOMERY COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA George Gowen sold 165 acres of land in Montgomery County , Pennsylvania to John Frederick Hillegas on Febru ary 6 , 1783 . Montgomery County adjoins Philadelphia County . NORTHAMPTON COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA George Gowen was enumerated as the head of a household in the 1800 census of Northampton County , page 532 , recorded as : " Gowen , George white male 16 - 26 white female 16 - 26 white male 0 - 10 white male 0 - 10 " NORTHUMBERLAND COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Pvt . Hugh Gowen received five " final settlement certificates from the U . S . Government following his service as a Revo lutionary soldier . All five were for services in the Third Pennsylvania Regiment under the command of Col . R . Butler and were paid to November 4 , 1783 . Bowen & Betty were agents for Hugh Gowen in his application . He received Certificate No . 71304 for $ 96 , 00 as " Hugh Gowan " and the other four as Hugh Gowen . Certificate No . 70937 was for $ 50.00 . Certificate No . 71903 was for $ 80.00 commutation pay . Hugh Gowen was listed in the 1790 census of Northumberland County , Pennsylvania as the head of a household composed of one person , himself . He was listed as over 16 . A community known as Gowen City existed as late as 2000 in Northumberland County and was probably the site of the residence of Hugh Gowen there . Northumberland County was created in 1772 . At that time it embraced the land now divided into 27 present counties . " Pvt . Hugh Gowan " received Land Warrant No . 9463 March 14 , 1791 , according to " Federal Land Series " Volume III . The land , which lay in central Ohio , was granted by the federal government for military service . The notation of " no papers " on the warrant suggest that his application might have been burned by the British . " Hugh Gowan " received Survivor ' s Pension No . 46198 from the state of Pennsylvania . " Hugh Gowans , quartermaster " appeared on the roster of Gen . Anthony Wayne ' s " Legion of the United States , 1792 - 1796 . " Anyone familiar with Robert KEARNS , a Revolutionary War Sgt ? He is mentioned in Bell ' s History of Northumberland and also there is a Sgt . CAIRNS / CARNS who I believe is the same person , just different spelling , mentioned in the PA Archives as a Ranger in the Northumberland Militia . He owned property and a distillery with a John McGowen / Gowan ( also a member of the militia ) in the Chillisquaque area until 1797 . Robert KEARNS / CAIRNS / CARNS is not listed in the DAR Index . I would really like to connect him to Peter KEARNS / KERN / CARNS / CARNIS etc . of Bloom Township , Northumberland , 1800 census . I have extensive information on him . Thanks ! Alice Kern = = O = = James Bevan Goyne , physician and medical administrator , was born at Ashland , Pennsylvania April 25 , 1911 , the son of John G . Goyne and Cora A . Bevan Goyne . He received a B.S. degree from Pennsylvania State University in 1933 and an M.D. degree from Jefferson Medical College in 1937 . He was married to Jean Zemaitis August 2 , 1950 . In 1970 James Bevan Goyne and Jean Zemaitis Goyne lived at Morris Plains , New Jersey . William H . Goyne , an English emigrant , was born in England in 1838 . He appeared as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Northumberland County , Enumeration District 144 , page 91 , living in Enterprise , Pennsylvania , which was recorded as : " Goyne , William H . 42 , born in England Ann 36 , born in England William 17 , born in Pennsylvania Thomas 15 , born in Pennsylvania Frank 13 , born in Pennsylvania James 11 , born in Pennsylvania Ida 8 , born in Pennsylvania Minnie 6 , born in Pennsylvania Mabel 4 , born in Pennsylvania Charles 1 , born in Pennsylvania " John McGowan , a member of the Pennsylvania militia in the area of Chillisquaque , Pennsylvania , was a partner with Robert Kearns , a Revolutionary War sergeant in the operation of a distillery in Northumberland County , according to the research of Alice Kern . PHILADELPHIA COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Marilyn Goins attended Henry H . Houston Grade School in Mt . Airy and was graduated from W . B . Saul High School of Agricultural Sciences of Roxborough , Pennsylvania in 1970 , according to Dolores Cobb Phifer . “ Alex Gowan , Mrs . Gowan and James Gowan ” appeared on the passenger list of the “ Carthaginian ” which arrived in the Port of Philadelphia from Glasgow , Scotland on March 6 , 1889 , according to the research of Susan Sagre . James Gowan , an unemployed sailor , was indicted in May 1900 for the murder of his aged mother , according to " Violent Death in the City , Suicide , Accident and Murder in Nineteenth Century Philadelphia , Pennsylvania " by Roger Lane . The account read : " It was clear that Sarah Gowan had hanged herself , and the coroner ' s jury had so ruled . But James Gowan ' s apparent indifference , the general disorder of their joint household , and a history of general ill will combined to make a bad impression , and the District Attorney was moved to charge that he had ' driven ' the old woman into taking her life . James Gowan was declared ' not guilty ' of the murder charge . " Francis V . Gowen and his wife , Marguerite H . Gowen , later lived in Philadelphia . Francis V . Gowen died prior to 1963 . Marguerite H . Gowen , a columnist for " Catholic Standard & Times " for 30 years , died November 1 , 1963 at Philadelphia , according to the " New York Times " in its November 3 , 1963 edition . She had retired from writing in 1961 . Dr . George Gowen , a physician , son of Francis V . Gowen and Marguerite H . Gowen , was mentioned in the article as a sur vivor . Other survivors include seven grandchildren . Anne N . Goines , negress , was listed as the head of a house hold in the 1880 census of Philadelphia County , Enumeration District 143 , page 21 , living at 1605 Sanson Street , Philadel phia . The family was recorded as : " Goines , Anne 64 , born in Virginia , negro William B . 30 , born in Pennsylvania Hellan 26 , born in Pennsylvania William 9 , born in Pennsylvania Joseph 7 , born in Pennsylvania Emily 3 , born in Pennsylvania Goines , W . B . 39 , born in Virginia Stella 39 , born in Pennsylvania " = = O = = Bazel N . Goines , negro , of Philadelphia , graduated in 1847 from Lafayette College at Easton , Pennsylvania , according to " The Men of Lafayette " by West . Bazel N . Goines died at Albany , New York about 1870 . = = O = = Rocier Goings was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Philadelphia County , Enumeration District 11 , page 25 . The family , living at 234 Dickenson Street , was recorded as : " Goings , Rocier 37 , born in Virginia Rachel 27 , born in Pennsylvania Clarence E . 6 , born in Pennsylvania Florence L . 4 , born in Pennsylvania Estella V . 2 , born in Pennsylvania Smith , Rachel 49 , born in Maryland , mother - in - law Laura 16 , born in Pennsylvania , sister - in - law " It is believed that Rocier Goings was married to Rachel Smith about 1874 , probably in Philadelphia . Daniel Gowan was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Philadelphia County , Enumeration District 16 , page 23 . The family , living at 806 Reed Street , was recorded in Philadelphia as : " Gowan , Daniel 27 , born in Pennsylvania Hannah 22 , born in Pennsylvania Mary J . 3 , born in Pennsylvania Annie 8 / 12 , born in Pennsylvania " Jane Gowan was married to Charles Grugan December 26 , 1795 at Swed ' s Church in Philadelphia . Mac Gowan was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Philadelphia County , Enumeration District 640 , page 1 . He was apparently a widower living with his two children and a brother . The family , living at 2217 Oxford , Philadelphia , was recorded as : " Gowan , Mac 31 , born in Pennsylvania John 5 , born in Pennsylvania Bessie 3 , born in Pennsylvania Gravatt 17 , born in Pennsylvania " Susan Gowan , who was born in England in 1820 , was listed as the head of a household in the 1820 census of Philadelphia , Enumeration District 306 , page 16 . The family . living on Frankford Road , Philadelphia , was recorded as : " Gowan , Susan 60 , born in England Work , James 25 , born in PA , son - in - law Margaret 28 , born in PA , daughter Anna Mary 2 , born in PA , granddaugh ter " Apparently Margaret Gowan was married to James Work about 1887 . Barney Gowen , who was born in Ireland in 1933 , was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Philadelphia County , Enumeration District 464 , page 12 . The family , which lived on Collgeville - Bristol Turnpike , Philadelphia , was recorded as : " Gowen , Barney 47 , born in Ireland Ann 47 , born in Ireland Elizabeth 17 , born in Philadelphia Michael 12 , born in Philadelphia Mary 5 , born in Philadelphia " George F . Gowen was born in Philadelphia January 28 , 1923 . He served in the U . S . Marine Corps from 1943 to 1946 and was discharged as a first lieutenant . He received his B.A. de gree from the University of Pennsylvania in 1948 , and an M . D . degree from Jefferson Medical College in 1952 . He was married in 1957 and in that year joined the faculty of Yale University where he remained until 1961 . From 1962 through 1964 he was on the faculty of Women ' s Medical College . " American Medical Directory " as a resident of Philadelphia . In 1973 he was with the Surgery Department of Misercordia Hospital in Philadelphia . Four children were born to George F . Gowen . Loretta Agnes Gowen was a senior faculty advisor at Philadelphia Normal School , William Penn High School in Philadelphia June 26 , 1929 , according to the 1929 graduation program . Loretta Agnes Gowen wrote " A Study of Pulse Rate and Body Temperature of 75 Philadelphia Normal School Girls " which was published at Philadelphia in 1931 . The 103 - page book in indexed in National Union Catalogue . Mary Gowen , who was born in England in 1828 , was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Philadelphia County , Enumeration District 536 , page 55 . The family , which lived on Collegeville - Bristol Turnpike , Philadelphia , was recorded as : " Gowen , Mary 52 , born in England Elizabeth 15 , born in Pennsylvania Mary 9 , born in Pennsylvania " Michael Gowen , who was born in Ireland in 1833 , was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Philadelphia County , Enumeration District 390 , page 3 . The family which lived at 1234 North 12th Street , Philadelphia was recorded as : " Gowen , Michael 47 , born in Ireland Delaney , Mary 67 , born in Ireland Gowen , Michael M . 21 , born in Pennsylvania Anna S . A . 17 , born in Pennsylvania Catherine E . 14 , born in Pennsylvania Thomas F . 12 , born in Pennsylvania Mary E . 9 , born in Pennsylvania Georgianna M . 3 , born in Pennsylvania " Apparently Michael Gowen arrived in Pennsylvania before 1859 . Apparently Mary Gowen , husband ' s name Delaney was married about 1830 , probably in Ireland . = = O = = Patrick Gowen , who was born in Ireland in 1840 , was listed as the head of a household enumerated in the 1880 census of Philadelphia County , Enumeration District 614 , page 7 . The family which lived at 1610 Sybert Street , Philadelphia , was recorded as : " Gowen , Patrick 40 , born in Ireland Anna 35 , born in Pennsylvania Margaret 10 , born in Pennsylvania James 8 , born in Pennsylvania Eleanor 6 , born in Pennsylvania Anna 4 , born in Pennsylvania John 2 , born in Pennsylvania Joseph 1 / 12 , born in Pennsylvania " The obituary of Thomas Gowen was published in the February 23 , 1895 edition of the “ Philadelphia Public Ledger . ” = = O = = Dr . Henry Lytle Gowens , Jr . was born in 1884 . He was grad uated from Howard University and in 1908 was graduated from Hahnemann Medical College . At his death , at age 69 , January 4 , 1953 he was chief of the eye department of the Mercy Douglass Hospital , according to the " New York Times . " Dr . Jean Gowing resided in Philadelphia in 1969 , according to " American Medical Directory . " = = O = = John Gowing was enumerated as the head of a household in the 1810 census of Philadelphia County . John Gowing was appointed as administrator of a will in 1813 in Philadelphia , according to Philadelphia County , Will Book L , page 116 . " John Goines " was appointed administrator of a will in 1834 , according to Philadelphia County Will Book 10 , page 155 , file 318 . The two administrator appointments were indexed in " Index of Wills and Administrations Records , Philadel phia , Pennsylvania , 1682 - 1850 " by Richard T . Williams . William Gowing was married to Jane McCoy August 6 , 1778 at the Third Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia . Of William Gowing and Jane McCoy Gowing nothing more is known . = = O = = Sarah McGowan arrived at the Port of Philadelphia aboard the “ Hannah Thornton ” June 11 , 1850 . With her were Samuel Gowan , age 30 , Margaret Gowan , age 27 , and Mary Jane Gowan age three . It is believed that a Gowan child died during the voyage . SCHUYLKILL COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Richard Gowen , who was born in 1817 in Wales , was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Schuylkill County , Enumeration District 196 , page 13 . The family living in Mahony , Pennsylvania , was recorded as : " Gowen , Richard 63 , born in Wales Mary 59 , born in Wales Thomas W . 39 , born in Wales Richard , Jr . 31 , born in Wales Marion 23 , born in Wales , daughter Maggie 19 , born in Pennsylvania Mary Jane 9 , born in Pennsylvania " Richard Gowen apparently emigrated to Pennsylvania between 1857 and 1863 . Gowen Post No . 22 of the Grand Army of the Republic had a number of Civil War soldiers who attended a Battle of Gettysburg reunion , according to a front - page newspaper article in the September 26 , 1910 edition of the “ Pottsville Republican : ” " Soldiers Off for Gettysburg The following members of Gowen Post , No . 22 G.A.R. accompanied by their wives left this morning for Get - tysburg where they will attend the unveiling of the monument erected by the State tomorrow . The unveil - ing will be marked with appropriate exercises . Those who left today were Capt . John T . Boyle , Hugh Steven - son , Benjamin Jenkins , Arthur Branigan , Ethan Cran - dall , Thomas Williams , David C . Pritchard , George Foltz , John C . Crosland , William McGrone [ or McGlone ] , John This appears to refer to the massive monument on the battlefield that contains the name of every Pennsylvania soldier who participated in the Battle of Gettysburg . A . Howard Goyne , son of Arthur H . Goyne and Maude Koepke Goyne , was born in 1910 in Ashland , Pennsylvania . He was married to Marie Evans about 1933 . She died in 1986 . They had lived in Somerset , New Jersey and in Fountain Springs , Pennsylvania . He died March 4 , 2001 at the age of 91 , according to his obituary in the “ Hazelton Standard - Speaker ” of March 6 , 2001 . He died at St . Peter ’ s Hospital in New Brunswick , New Jersey . He was buried in Fountain Springs . He was vice - president of Goyne Pump Company in Ashland . SOMERSET COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Four Goan children are believed to have been orphaned in Somerset County about 1837 , according to the research of Caroline Reece Kimsey of Franklin , North Carolina . She re ports that families by the name of Gohn , Goin and Goon were enumerated in the 1840 census of Somerset County , but there is no evidence to relate the orphans to any of these households in 1840 . The orphans are identified as : Andrew Goan born about 1826 Peter Goan born January 22 , 1832 Emmanuel Goan born about 1834 Ella Goan born about 1836 Andrew Goan was born about 1826 , probably in Somerset County . He was probably " bound out " by the Somerset County Court about 1837 to serve an apprenticeship . He was married by 1859 , wife ' s name , Jane L . Andrew Goan was listed as the head of a household enu merated in the 1880 census of Henry County , Iowa , Enumer ation District 95 , page 18 , Center Township , living on White Street in Mt . Pleasant , Iowa : " Goan , Andrew 53 , born in Pennsylvania Jane L . 48 , born in Pennsylvania Lola M . 20 , born in Iowa Rushton 14 , born in Iowa Belmont J . 10 , born in Iowa John T . 5 , born in Iowa Blanch 3 , born in Iowa " Andrew Goan was listed as an intervenor in some suits filed against “ Rush A . Goan , ” regarded as Rushton A . Goan , son of Andrew Goan , in Henry County , according to a news item in the November 10 , 1897 edition of “ Mt . Pleasant Weekly News : ” “ National State Bank vs . R.A. Goan and Andrew Goan intervenor , attachment . Settled as to intervention of Andrew Goan . First National Bank , T.L. Beers , Jas . B Hart and Leed - ham & Baugh vs . R.A. Goan and Andrew Goan inter - venor , four attachment cases . Settled as to the petition of the intervention of Andrew Goan . Default against R . A . Goan and attached property ordered sold . J . H . Sweeney and Mary Bresnahan vs . R.A. Goan , Andrew Goan and J . H . Wallbank , damages . Defend - ants ' demurrer overruled . Rush A . Goan vs . W . H . Whitney et al , foreclosure . Settled and dismissed . ” Of Andrew Goan , Jane L . Goan and their descendants nothing more is known . Galen & Goan , Abstractors were mentioned in an article in the February 5 , 1896 edition of “ Mt . Pleasant Weekly News . ” They were also shown as a law firm . Peter Goan , second of the orphans , was born January 22 , 1832 in Somerset County , according to an article written by a son , Orrin Sylvester Goan describing the family ' s trip to California in 1864 . The article , retained by Caroline Reese Kimzey , mentions that Peter Goan was accompanied on the trip by a brother " Emmanuel Goan " and a younger sister , " Ella Goan " who died during the trek . The obituary of Peter Goan identi fies him as " an orphan while still a young child and that At the age of 22 , in 1854 , Peter Goan removed from Somerset County to Chicago , Illinois . After a brief stay , he arrived in Dubuque County , Iowa in April 1855 . He was married there November 1 , 1855 to Emily Jane Cain who was born April 16 , 1835 in Lafayette , Indiana . She was the daughter of Paul Cain and Anna Maria Price Cain who had also moved to Dubuque . Paul Cain was a New York native and had married Anna Maria Price in Cincinnati in 1828 , according to Marilyn Dale , a Cain researcher . He appeared as the head of a household in the 1836 Territorial Census of Dubuque . Louisa Cain born about 1830 Sarah Elizabeth Cain born about 1833 Emily Jane Cain born April 16 , 1835 Thomas Benton Cain born about 1838 Orrin Reese Cain born about 1841 Eugenia Cain born about 1844 Laura Cain born about 1848 In 1860 , Peter Goan appeared in the Dubuque city directory and in the federal census of Dubuque County with two chil dren . In the 1860s , Peter Goan was superintendent of wood working shops and railroad repair shops in the Dubuque area . In 1864 , perhaps at the instance of a younger brother , Peter Goan was influenced to make a trip to California . He was saddened by the unfortunate events on the trek to California and soon returned to Dubuque . His family reappeared in the 1870 census of Dubuque , and Pe ter Goan was the subject of a biographical sketch in " History of Dubuque County , Iowa " published in 1880 . Peter Goan was listed as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Dubuque County , Enumeration District 176 , page 11 , Julian Township , living on Race Street in Dubuque , Iowa : " Goan , Peter 47 , born in Pennsylvania Emla 44 , born in Ohio Sylvester 21 , born in Iowa Lola 18 , born in Iowa Walter 12 , born in Iowa Nettie 9 , born in Iowa Mabel 4 , born in Iowa Harry 1 , born in Iowa " About 1887 , Peter Goan removed to LaGrange , Illinois and built a home there that was still occupied in 1990 , according to Caroline Reece Kimsey . In 1887 , he was employed by Kennedy Biscuit Works . He retired from the firm in 1902 . The couple observed their 50th wedding anniversary in 1905 " with an elegant affair at their home , " according to a newspa per account of the occasion . Peter Goan died August 22 , 1911 and was buried in Bronswood Cemetery in Oak Brook , Illi nois . Emily Jane Cain Goan Children born to Peter Goan and Emily Jane Cain Goan in clude : Emma F . Goan born in 1856 Orrin Sylvester Goan born April 15 , 1859 Lola E . Goan born August 24 , 1861 Walter U . Goan born about 1867 Nettie M . Goan born in 1871 Mabel M . Goan born about 1875 Harry Goan born in 1879 Emma G . Goan , daughter of Peter Goan and Emily Jane Cain Goan , was born in 1856 in Dubuque . She was married September 12 , 1878 to George T . Garth . Orrin Sylvester Goan , son of Peter Goan and Emily Jane Cain Goan , was born April 15 , 1859 . He was recorded in the 1880 census as a 21 - year - old in his father ' s household . He was married December 17 , 1884 to Annabell Adams . Children born to Orrin Sylvester Goan and Annabell Adams Goan are unknown . Lola E . Goan , daughter of Peter Goan and Emily Jane Cain Goan , was born August 24 , 1861 in Dubuque . She appeared at age 18 in the 1880 census . She was married November 24 , 1880 to James Joseph Lee who was born December 25 , 1853 . He was a son of Charles Carrolton Lee and Evaline Atwell Merrill Lee . He died in Dubuque February 19 , 1934 , and she died there February 16 , 1946 . Norman Leslie Lee born November 3 , 1892 Norman Leslie Lee , son of James Joseph Lee and Lola E . Goan Lee , was born November 3 , 1892 in Dubuque . He was married there June 5 , 1918 to Mary Elizabeth " Mayme " Win ner who was born May 4 , 1895 in Jackson County , Iowa . She was the daughter of Charles Edgar Winner and Ellen " Ella " Belknap Winner . Mary Elizabeth " Mayme " Winner Lee died May 15 , 1926 in Lancaster , Wisconsin . Norman Leslie Lee died in Davenport , Iowa December 16 , 1952 . Lorraine Anita Lee born May 7 , 1919 Lorraine Anita Lee , daughter of Norman Leslie Lee and Mary Elizabeth " Mayme " Winner Lee , was born May 7 , 1919 . She was married December 26 , 1934 in Dubuque to Thomas Grady Reece who was born September 5 , 1903 in Macon County , North Carolina . Caroline Reece born April 18 , 1937 Caroline Reece , daughter of Thomas Grady Reece and Lor raine Anita Lee Reece , was born April 18 , 1937 . She was married about 1958 , husband ' s name Kimsey . Walter U . Goan , son of Peter Goan and Emily Jane Cain Goan , was born about 1867 in Dubuque . He appeared as a 12 - year - old in the 1880 census of his father ' s household . He removed to New York City and died there of pneumonia November 14 , 1917 . Nettie M . Goan , daughter of Peter Goan and Emily Jane Cain Goan , was born in 1871 . She was accidentally killed Septem ber 16 , 1885 and was buried in Dubuque . Later the body was exhumed and reburied in Bronswood Cemetery at Oak Brook , Illinois . Mabel M . Goan , daughter of Peter Goan and Emily Jane Cain Goan , was born in 1875 . She appeared as a four - year - old in the 1880 census . She died March 31 , 1894 and was buried in Bronswood Cemetery as well . Harry Goan , son of Peter Goan and Emily Jane Cain Goan , was born in Dubuque in 1879 . He was married about 1904 in Chicago , wife ' s name Blanche . He became an executive with National Biscuit Company . It is believed us that Nabisco Pub lic Relations Department might supply biographical in formation on him . Children born to Harry Goan and Blanche Goan are unknown . Emmanuel Goan , one of the orphans , was born about 1834 , probably in Somerset County . He was married before 1859 . In 1864 they made a trip to California and apparently re mained there when his brother returned to Dubuque . He re mained in California until about 1872 when he removed to Oregon . " E . Goan , " a widower , suggested as Emmanuel Goan , was enumerated as the head of a household in the 1880 census of Linn County , Oregon , Enumeration District 70 , page 24 in East Albany : " Goan , E . 45 , born in Pennsylvania Mary 20 , born in Illinois , daughter A . W . 19 , born in Illinois , son Ida 12 , born in California , daughter H . C . 10 , born in California , son L . S . 8 , born in California , son " SUSQUEHANNA COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Lydia Jane Gow was born April 2 , 1845 at Hanford , Pennsyl vania in Susquehanna County of parents unknown , according to Judith Bixby , a descendant . She was married December 31 , 1864 to William Alexander Caruth who was born in Canada while his family was enroute from Ireland to the United States . WASHINGTON COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Mary Gowan was born in Scotland about 1785 of parents unknown and emigrated to Pennsylvania . She was married there about 1810 to Samuel Black and lived in Monongahela , Pennsylvania . Samuel Black built the first glass works in Washington County and the first flour mill . He also built a distillery for the manufacture of licensed whiskey and became wealthy . Eight children were born to them including : Cyrus Black born about 1813 Mary Fletcher Black born about 1820 Cyrus Black , son of Samuel Black and Mary Gowan Black , was born about 1813 at Monangahela . He became a successful surgeon in Pittsburgh , Pennsylvania . Mary Fletcher Black , daughter of Samuel Black and Mary Gowan Black , was born about 1820 at Monangahela . She was married about 1838 to George A . Clarke who was born Aug - ust 7 , 1807 at Stoney Creek , Pennsylvania in Somerset Coun - ty . He purchased Kimmel ’ s Flour Mill there , as well as a grist mill and a woolen mill . Later they removed to Chattanooga , Tennessee . James Gowen appeared as the head of a household in the 1800 census of Washington County , page 748 . Enumerated were : " Gowen , James white male over 45 white female over 45 white male 16 - 26 white female 16 - 26 white male 10 - 16 white male 10 - 16 white female 0 - 10 white male 0 - 10 white female 0 - 10 white female 0 - 10 " John Fisher of Washington County applied for a Revolutionary pension in 1832 . In his affidavit he stated that " Samuel Gowon and William Gowon can testify to my character " inferring that they were his neighbors . James McGowen , with his brothers , Robert McGowen and William McGowen , settled in Washington County about 1790 . James McGowen was the youngest of seven children , and in his childhood he was apprenticed to a reed manufacturer . At age 26 James McGowen was married to Abigail Harris . Sev - eral children were born to them , but only one attained adult - hood : James McGowen born about 1795 James McGowen , son of James McGowen and Abigail Harris McGowen , was born about 1795 in Washington County . He attended Washington College and became a schoolteacher . He was married about 1818 to Mary Hughes , daughter of Daniel Hughes . James McGowen died March 26 , 1871 at the age of 92 . In politics he was a Jacksonian Democrat and in religion a member of the Presbyterian Church . Children born to James McGowen and Mary Hughes McGowen include : Abigail McGowen born about 1820 James H . McGowen born about 1822 Elizabeth McGowen born about 1825 Mary McGowen born about 1829 Abigail McGowen , daughter of James McGowen and Mary Hughes McGowen , was born about 1820 . She was married about 1838 to William Adams . James H . McGowen , son of James McGowen and Mary Hughes McGowen , was born about 1822 . Elizabeth McGowen , daughter of James McGowen and Mary Hughes McGowen , was born about 1825 . She was married about 1845 to Wilson Wiley , according to Jack Heine , a descendant of New Mexico . . Mary McGowen , daughter of James McGowen and Mary Hughes McGowen , was born about 1829 . WESTMORELAND COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA YORK COUNTY , PENNSYLVANIA Phillip Goan was born in 1757 in York County , according to " Genealogical Abstracts of Revolutionary War Pension Files " abstracted by Virgil D . White . He enlisted there in the Pennsylvania Conentinal Line . Phillip Goan appeared in the 1790 census of York County as the head of a household of eight , according to " Heads of Families , Pennsylvania , 1790 . " " Phillip Gohn " applied for a Revolutionary pension May 17 , 1834 , stating that he had always lived in York County . He re ceived Pension 6898 . He died March 18 , 1839 . Thomas Gowans was married November 26 , 1778 to Rachel McClurg " at the Widow McClurg ' s house " by Rev . James Clarkson , according to the research of Mamie Way of Fairmont , Oklahoma . The " Widow McClurg " is regarded as the mother of the bride , but could have been the bride herself . Thomas Gowans and Rachel McClurg Gowans were residents of Hopewell , Pennsylvania in 1799 . They lived at Chanceford , Pennsylvania in 1781 and 1784 , according to " York County , Pennsylvania Church Records of the Eighteenth Century , " Volume I by Marlene S . Bates and F . Edward Wright . Apparently Thomas Gowans died or was incapacitated before the end of the decade . " Rachel Gowan " appeared in the 1790 census of York County , Chanceford township , page 269 as the head of a household composed of " one male over 16 [ Thomas Gowans ? ] and four females . " " Gowan , Rachel white female white male over 16 white female white female white female " An inspection of the probate records of York County would probably confirm the identity of the " one male over 16 . " Children born to Thomas Gowans and Rachel McClurg Gowans include : Elizabeth Gowans born August 28 , 1779 Katherine Gowans born June 10 , 1781 Jean Gowans born April 12 , 1784 Elizabeth Gowans , daughter of Thomas Gowans and Rachel McClurg Gowans , was born August 28 , 1779 at Hopewell , and was baptized September 19 , 1779 , according to the records of Guinston [ Muddy Creek ] Presbyterian Church . Of this individual nothing more is known . Katherine Gowans , daughter of Thomas Gowans and Rachel McClurg Gowans , was born June 10 , 1781 at Chanceford and was baptized at Guinston July 1 , 1781 , according to the records of the Presbyterian church . Of this individual nothing more is known . Jean Gowans , daughter of Thomas Gowans and Rachel Mc Clurg Gowans , was born April 12 , 1784 at Chanceford and was baptized at " the Widow McClurg ' s house " April 12 , 1784 by the Rev . Thomas Beverage , accoridng to Guinston Presbyterian Church records . Of Jean Gowans nothing more is known . Robert Gowan was listed as the head of a household in the 1810 census of York County . RHODE ISLAND Charles Goen , relative of Noah Goen and Eunice Goen , died March 31 , 1896 at the age of 58 , according to Rhode Island death records , volume 20 , page 91 . Mary E . Goen , relative of Charles Goen and Theresa Goebelle , died November 17 , 1909 at the age of 68 , according to Rhode Island death records , volume 23 , page 206 . John C . Going , son of John J . Going and Margaret Going , was born December 3 , 1896 according to Rhode Island birth records , volume 16 , page 267 . Eleanor M . Gowan , daughter of George A . Gowan and Viola M . Gowan , was born October 26 , 1920 according to Rhode Island Birth records , volume 24 , page 288 . Eliza E . Gowan , daughter of Eliza E . Gowan , was born March 29 , 1858 according to Rhode Island Birth Records , volume 7 , page 51 . Mary A . Gowan , daughter of John Gowan and Catherine Gowan , was born May 31 , 1853 according to Rhode Island birth records , volume 6 , page 48 . Edward L . Gowen was married to Jessie Miller April 10 , 1895 according to Rhode Island marriage records , volume 18 , page 14 . Children born to Edward L . Gowen and Jessie Miller Gowen are unknown . No Gowens were listed in Rhode Island in its state census of 1774 or its federal census of 1790 . Timothy Gowen of Smithfield , Rhode Island joined the militia of that state about 1755 and " Marched on the alarm of August " in the " old " French and Indian War . Eliza E . Gowing was married to George F . Packard May 12 , 1870 according to Rhode Island Marriage records , volume 9 , page 238 . Ezra Gowing was married to Ellen Cunningham July 3 , 1854 according to Rhode Island Marriage records , volume 6 , page 131 . Nothing more is known of Ezra Gowing and Ellen Cunningham Gowing . Lucy A . Gowing , member of the housenold of William Gouldin and Mary Gould , died October 11 , 1840 at the age of 30 , according to Rhode Island death records , volume 6 , page 95 . NEWPORT COUNTY , RHODE ISLAND Sue A . Gowen was born November 9 , 1950 in Newport , Rhode Island . She was married December 30 , 1969 in Albuquerque , New Mexico to Beaty R . Spear , Jr . who was born February 19 , 1944 in San Antonio , Texas , according to Bernalillo County Marriage Book 129 , page 79361 . He was stationed at Sandia Air Force Base . PROVIDENCE COUNTY , RHODE ISLAND Birth , death and marriage records of the city of Providence kept through 1935 were published in book form . Individuals appearing in this volume include several people of interest to Gowen chroniclers . George B . Goen and Mabelle B . Goen were the parents of three children born in the city of Providence . Alice Goen was born February 25 , 1912 , according to Providence Birth Book 20 , page 325 . Dixon Goen was born August 26 , 1913 , according to Birth Book 21 , page 156 . Salient / Sargent Goen was born December 7 , 1915 , according to Birth Book 21 , page 458 . Adele J . F . Going , the widow of Edward H . Going died De cember 2 , 1903 at the age of 52 , according to Providence Death Book 21 , page 422 . Annie Going , the daughter of John Going and Catherine Going died June 24 , 1922 at the age of 56 , according to Providence Death Book 27 , page 366 . Ida Going , a negro , was married to Joshua T . Johnson June 3 , 1897 , according to Providence Marriage Book 18 , page 190 . John C . Going and Isabelle Going were the parents of four children born in Providence . John C . Going , Jr . was born April 30 , 1931 , according to Providence Birth Book 30 , page 49 . Ann G . Going was born August 1 , 1932 , according to Provi dence Birth Book 30 , page 232 . Margaret K . Going was born August 10 , 1933 , according to Providence Birth Book 31 , page 85 . Joseph B . Going was born February 16 , 1935 , according to Birth Book 32 John H . Going was married to Margaret Toner February 11 , 1896 , according to Providence Marriage Book 18 , page 96 . John J . Going was born to them December 3 , 1896 , according to Birth Book 16 , page 267 . Margaret Toner Going died Jan uary 22 , 1897 a age 29 , according to Providence Death Book 20 , page 154 . Mary A . Going , daughter of Michael Going and Annie Going was born January 12 , 1877 , according to Providence Birth Book 11 , page 47 . Patrick H . Going , son of Patrick Going and Catherine Going died April 10 , 1892 at age 20 , according to Providence Death Book 18 , page 143 . Perley L . Going , Jr , son of Perley L . Going and Mildred Go ing was born March 28 , 1931 , according to Providence Birth Book 30 , page 36 . He died the following day , according to Provi dence Death Book 32 , page 48 . Ernest M . Goings , a negro , son of Albert Goings and Lula Go ings was born October 1 , 1892 , according to Providence Birth Book 15 , page 110 . George A . Gowan and Viola M . Gowan were the parents of Eleanor M . Gowan who was born in Providence October 26 , 1920 , according to Providence Birth Book 24 , page 288 . Mrs . Silvia I . Gowan , 65 , widow of Alastair C . Gowan died October 8 , 2000 , according to her obituary in the October 9 edition of “ The Providence Journal : ” “ SILVIA I . GOWAN , 65 , of Fox Run , who was born in Argentina , died Friday at Rhode Island Hospital . She was the wife of Alastair C . Gowan . She was a daughter of the late George Kember and Silvia T . Larrory Kember , and had lived in East Greenwich for 18 years . Besides her husband , she leaves a son , Alec Gowan of Wallingford , Connecticut and a daughter , Michelle S . Gowan Judkins of Warwick . She was the sister of the late George Kember . The funeral Stanislaus Gowan and Phoebe Gowan were the parents of An nie Gowan who died June 26 , 1878 and age 8 , according to Providence Death Book 14 , page 163 . Amelia Gowen , a negro , was married to Benjamin F . Allen December 17 , 1900 , according to Providence Marriage Book 19 , page 88 . Ezra Gowen died May 26 , 1855 at age 60 , according to Provi dence Death Book 9 , page 55 . = = O = = Jean Gowing , the daughter of Fred Gowing and Sarah J . Gow ing was born May 12 , 1900 , according to Providence Birth Book 17 , page 38 . Louis M . Gowing was married to Bertha A . Nichols January 12 , 1907 , according to Providence Marriage Book 20 , page 399 . Of Louis M . Gowing and Bertha A . Nichols Gowing nothing more is known . Daniel Gowins died March 10 , 1864 at age 63 , according to Providence Death Book 11 , page 96 . 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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~knighthistory/GeorgiaKnights.html | KNIGHT ' S OF BULLOCH COUNTY GEORGIA After the Revolutionary War , Georgia wanted good people to come into the state and settle . Georgia passed a land law in 1777 called the " Head - Right Plan , " giving the head of a family up to 200 acres of land for himself and 50 acres for each one of his family , counting his slaves , but no family could have more than 1,000 acres . The royal governor of Georgia and the Council advertised in the newspaper of New Bern North Carolina , that free land in would be given to settlers . The notice began a wave of settlers from the North Carolina counties of Onlsow , New Hanover , Duplin , Sampson , Bertie , Johnston and Edgecombe that would last for over 60 years . There are very few of the early families of Bulloch and Screven Counties that do not trace to the settlers from this area of The very earliest of these families came from Duplin County as early as 1761 . Luke Mizell was among those early settlers who moved from Duplin County and settled around the areas of present day Sardis and Rocky Ford . John Knight and Elizabeth Woodson ' s son John Knight III , born 1748 in Surry Co . , VA . The family later moved to Edgecombe County , NC . He married Rachael Frances " Fannie " Anderson 9 Jan 1774 , in Cheraw Dist . Chesterfield Co . , SC . Rachel Anderson was born in 1753 in Surry Co . , VA . John Knight , III died in 1821 in Wayne Co . , GA . He is buried in Wayne Co . , GA . Fannie died 2 Nov 1844 in Hillsborough Co . , FL . ( Many researchers agree that this John Knight was the son of John and Elizabeth Woodson . ) John and Rachael Knight moved to Bullock County , GA about 1788 when their son William Alexander was about 10 years old . John III Knight ' s family moved to Wayne Co . , GA about 1803 , or possibly earlier . The reason that I believe that John and Rachael Knight moved earlier than 1803 was because they sold land on the Ogeechee River to Moore Spier , deed dated Oct . 22 , 1799 P . 49 : John Knight , planter , and wife Rachael , to Moore Spier , all of Effingham Co . Deed dated Oct 22 1799 for 250 acres granted said 13 Feb . 1799 , bounded on the NW by Braddock ' s land , SW by Ogeechee River , SE by Hodges and O ' Berry land , NE by Belcher and McCall . Witness : John London JP . Deed Book - AB page 123 Effingham County and Liberty County , Early Record , complied by Mary Carter , 1978 ( GA ) F292 . E3 . 03 , LA State Archives . Also , when John Knight sold land in Effingham to Moore on Aug 4 , 1801 , the deed stated that both John Knight and Moore were living in Glenn P . 69 : Rec . 4 Aug 1801 , deed dated 15 Jan 1801 , between John Knight of Glenn Co . and Moore of same , cons of four hundred dollars for tract of land containing 200 acres of land in Effingham Co . , originally GRANTED to the aforesaid John Knight on 19 May 1789 , Registered in Secretary ' s office in Book S.S.s . for 168 , bounding SW by Belchers and vacant land on all other sides by vacant land . Signed John Knight . Wit : William Steward , Millis In another book , Information on Some Georgia Pioneers - Maddox , GA ( GAF281 . L3 . M3 ) Family Heads 1805 : Knight , John , Burke Cty w Rachael One John RS and moved to Wayne Cty . John III Knight died in 1821 / 22 in Wayne Co . , GA . John Knight was apparently a good man who believed in helping his neighbors as witnessed by the following property transactions : P . 53 : Zachariah Henderson to John Knight , Bill of Sale , undated for three slaves , 60 head of cattle , two horses , four featherbeds and furniture , together with pots , pans and all other items of his furnite and household goods , given in payment of his bond ( promissory note ) to Knight dated 10 March 1770 No witnesses signed ; however , David Hines signs affidavit Feb 18 , 1794 that he saw Zachariah Henderson sign the instrument . John Knight of Effingham Co . , " OUT OF HIS LOVE AND GOOD WILL " gives the above personal property to Mary Henderson by Bill of Sale dated 11 March 1793 . Witnesses : David and Nancy Hines . P . 55 : John Knight of Effingham Co . , to Anna , Misey , Mary and Sarah Henderson , children of Zachariah and Mary Henderson . Gift of three slaves , Saturday , Florida and Sambo , 60 head of cattle , 2 horses , feather beds , furniture , pots , pans , farming implements , dated 30 Aug 1794 . said Mary , mother of said children , to be Trustee . Rachel Fannie Knight was living in Wayne and drew a lot in the 1820 land lottery , but failed to take it up and it reverted to the state . After John Knight died , she lived with son Samuel in Hillsborough County Florida ( The South Florida Pioneers , Jul - Oct 1978 Issue ) . John ' s son , William Anderson Knight - born 16 Feb 1778 in Edgecombe Co . , N.C. , was also living in Wayne Co . at that time . William Anderson was a Representative from Wayne County , GA between 1810 - 1811 . He served as a State Senator of Lowndes Co . , GA between 1826 - 1828 . He was also a pastor of Primitive Baptist Church in Lowndes Co . He died 8 Dec 1859 , at home on the Old Milltown - Valdosta Lowndes Co . , GA ( now Lanier ) . Note : John III was Charles Knight of Washington Parish ' s uncle . William Anderson was his first cousin . John III Knight and Fannie Anderson had at least the following children : William Anderson , Johnathan Arbraham , Mary and Samuel . According to Folks Huxford , John and Fannie had eleven children . William Anderson Knight was born in Edgecombe Co , 16 Feb 1778 . He married Sara Cone . ( b 16 Oct 1780 in Cheraw Dist . SC ) . She was the daughter of William Cone Sr . ( born in 1745 in North Carolina where he lived on the PeeDee River - died 1815 in Ivanhoe , Bulloch Co . , GA ) and Keziah Barber . Sarah ' s father was the first Senator of Bulloch Co , GA and a Baptist pastor of the Little Church . Sarah died 16 Oct 1780 in Lanier Co . , GA . William died 08 Dec 1859 Old Union , Lanier Co . Folks Huxford wrote the following : " William Anderson Knight was born in on Feb 16 , 1778 a son of John Knight RS He was one of eleven children and was an older brother of Jonathan , Abraham and Samuel Knight . Elder William Anderson Knight is the forefather of the large and influential Knight family connection in Berrien , Lanier and Cook Counties , and was in the Primitive Baptist ministry for many years prior to his death . He was born in Feb . 16 , 1778 , and was about 10 years old when his parents moved to . In 1798 he married Miss Sarah Cone , daughter of the Hon . William Cone , who rendered distinguished service to his adopted state during the Revolutionary War . The Cone family was also from originally and had sojourned in South Carolina a short time during the war . The two families , Knights and Cones , were originally residents of Effingham but in the creation of Bulloch out of Effingham in 1796 , were placed in the new county . Mrs . Knight was born in South Carolina Oct 16 , 1780 Mr . Knight was among the very first settlers of Wayne Co , after it was created , moving there about 1803 . His home was in present Brantley Co . He was named in a legislative act of 1803 as one of five commissioners to locate the public - site of the new county . It was several years before it was permanently fixed and when it was done it was located on lands owned by Mr . Knight and by William Clements , a neighbor , and the county seat was named Waynesville . Mr . Knight served Wayne 1810 - 11 and again in 1813 . He served as State Senator from , 1815 - 17 and 1819 - 20 . He was a Justice of Peace in the 334th District , 1813 - 1817 , and a Justice of Wayne Inferior Court 1820 - 24 . In the winter of 1824 - 25 Mr . Knight and his family with others of the family connection , moved to the southern part of what was then Irwin Co . , where they located . Mr . knight settled on Lot of Land No . 516 , 10th land district , near Grand Bay , on present State Highway No . 11 , in what is now Lanier Co . A year after moving to his new home , his portion of Irwin Co was made into Lowndes Co . and Mr . Knight was elected the first Senator from the new County , serving 1826 - 28 . He was a delegate from Lowndes to the 1833 State Convention and in 1839 to the state tariff convention . In 1856 , Elder Knights home was placed in Berrien Co , when it was created partly out of Lowndes . He was a leading spirit in the organization of the first Baptist Church in Irwin or Lowndes counties ; it was organized Oct . 1 , 1825 at Carters Meeting - house located on the west bank of the Alapaha River , and the church was named " Union " and became the ' Mother ' of all Baptist Churches , both missionary and primitive , of this section . Mr . Knight and his wife became charter member moving their letters from Kettle Creek Baptist Church in Wayne Co . He became the first church clerk , serving from 1825 until he was ordained to the Gospel Ministry by his church March 10 , 1830 . In the years that followed , Elder Knight became very active and zealous in the spread of the Gospel over the frontier country , organizing several new churches . He and his pastor , Elder Matthew Albritton , often went together on trips that required days , many miles from home . Elder Knight stayed busy holding special services in the homes of the settlers , visiting the sick , conducting funerals , organizing " arms " of Union Church that later became independent churches , and assisting in constituting new churches over an area 100 miles or more in extent . After the death of Elder Albritton in 1850 , Elder Knight succeeded him as pastor of Union Church and served until his own death Dec 8 , 1859 . He became the first pastor of Wayfare Church in present Echols Co , serving 1841 - 54 and again 1856 - 58 . His missionary labors precluded him from serving as pastor of many of the churches that wanted him . He assisted in the constituting of Unity Primitive Baptist in Lowndes Co . , Feb 6 , 1841 , and became its first pastor , serving until his death eighteen years later . Mrs . Knight died Nov . 28 , 1859 . Her aged husband could not long survive her passing , dying 10 days later . They were buried at old Union Church . The whole section from miles around felt keenly the passing of this aged and saintly couple whose hospitality and goodness to others were known to others far and wide . " In 1820 , they were listed on Pg . 159 of the Wayne Co . , Ga . census . In 1830 , they were listed on Pg . 084 of the Lowndes Co . , Ga . census . In 1840 , they were listed on Pg . 228 of the Lowndes Co . , In 1850 , they were listed on Pg . 413 of the Lowndes Co . , William Anderson and Sara had the following children : Keziah b . 20 Nov 1802 , Bulloch Co . , Ga . , m . April 1829 , Isben Giddens , d . 1 Nov 1861 , Old Union Cem . , Lanier Co . , Ga . ; Levi Jefferson b . 1 Sep 1803 ; William Cone b . 8 Oct . 1805 ; John b . 7 Jul 1807 ; Sarah b . 10 Oct 1808 in Wayne Co . , Ga . , m . William P . Roberts ; Elizabeth b . 23 Sep 1811 in Wayne Co . , GA . , m . John Carter ; Jonathan b . 17 Jan 1817 ; Aaron A . born 13 Jul 1813 married Nancy Ann Sloan - died 1852 ; Child of Aaron Knight and Nancy Ann Sloan : George Washington KNIGHT Born 8 Sep 1845 . Died 8 Feb 1913 . Buried in Empire Church , Lanier Co . Ga . He married Rhonda FUTCH , 20 Sep 1865 in Berrien County , Ga . Rhonda FUTCH Born 31 Oct 1846 . Died 4 Jan 1909 . Buried After 4 Jan 1904 in Empire Church , Lanier Co , Ga . See photo of couple here . Child of George Washington Knight and Rhonda Futch : Perry Thomas KNIGHT Born Mar 1877 . Died 16 Sep 1955 . Buried in Old Union Church Lanier County , Ga . ( Burnt Church Rd ) . He married Annie Lota DUGGER , 19 Jul 1903 . Annie Lota DUGGER Born 16 Dec 1885 . Died 15 Jan 1973 . Buried in Old Union Church Lanier County , Ga . ( Burnt Church Rd ) . Child of Perry Thomas Knight and Annie Lota Dugger : James Perry KNIGHT Born 16 Aug 1911 . Died 1 Jun 1984 in Polk Co . Ga . He married Betty Ann RHOADS , 22 Dec 1934 . Betty Ann RHOADS - 108 . Born 1 Jul 1913 . Child of James Perry Knight and Betty Ann Rhoads : John Elwin KNIGHT John Edward Knight married Monica . John III Knight ' s children continued : Jonathan ( b . 1781 , Cheraw Dist . SC , married Elizabeth _ born 1787 , , d . 1860 , Clay Co . , Fla . Jonathan died 1860 , Clay Co . , Fla . A picture of the grave site of Jonathan and Elizabeth Knight can be seen here . A Picture of Jonathan and Elizabeth Knight ' s son James Henry Knight can be seen here . A picture of James Henry Knight ' s wife and daughter can be seen Jonathan and Elizabeth had the following children : William b . 1806 , m . Mary ____ ; Mary b . 1808 , m . 15 Dec 1825 , Lewis Roberts ; Jonathan born 1811 ; James H . born 1817 , m . Cynthia Rowell Thomas b . 10 Mar 1820 ; Sarah b . 1824 , m . Lewis L . McCall ; Matthew b . 1826 , m . 14 Apr 1853 , Mary E . Pace , d . Clay Co . , Fla . ; Nancy b . 1827 , m . Henry L . Wester ; Elizabeth H . b . 1829 , m . 28 Jan 1851 , Hiram Prescott . Jonathan Knight and his wife Elizabeth Tucker s daughter Mary married Lewis Roberts . Mary and Lewis Roberts son William Parker Roberts married Isabelle Bryan . William Parker and Isabelle Roberts daughter Blanche ( born May 20 , 1894 in Jacksonville , Duval County , Florida ) married George Floyd Cardell ( born January 5 , 1890 in Starke , Bradford County , Florida ) . George Floyd and Blanche Cardell s son Floyd Alwyn Cardell ( born February 21 , 1914 in Jacksonville , Duval County , FL ) married December 16 , 1935 in Chicago , Cook County Jonathan and Elizabeth Knight ' s son James Henry Knight 1817 - 1888 , married Cynthia Rowell Knight 1818 - 1891 . They are both buried at Empire Cemetery , Mascotte , Lake County , Florida . James Henry and Cynthia Rowell Knight ' s son Elias Jeremiah Knight 1861 - 1949 married Jesse Ellen Dixon . Their daughter Amanda Cedell Knight 1901 - 1973 , married Bart Miller 1898 - 1970 . Amanda and Bart Miller ' s daughter is Aileen Miller Throop - 1919 - 2002 , and their granddaughter is Dawn Claudia Throop . This family information Abraham ( b . 1789 , Effingham Co , Ga . ( Effingham later became Bulloch Co . ) married 17 Jan 1810 Sarah H . Tucker ( b . 1796 , GA . , d . 1884 , Little Creek Baptist Church , Wayne Co . , GA . Abraham died 26 May 1867 , Little Creek Baptist Church , Wayne Co . , GA . Abraham served under Captain Scott ' s Co . Ga . Mil . WO - 11542 during the War of 1812 . Abraham and Sarah had the following children : Samuel b . 1817 , m . Mary E . Hunter ; Andrew J . b . 1818 , m . Margaret Bennett ; Thomas b . 1820 , m . Susan Hunter ; Mary E . born 1821 , m . Malachi Harper ; Abraham b . 1826 , m . Harriet Raulerson ; Elijah Tucker b . 1829 , m . Nancy Harper ; Eliza b . 1838 , m . Joshua Harper ; Erastus b . 1844 , m . Harriet Jenkins Abraham ' s son , Elijah Tucker Knight , his son James Augustus , his son Dalton Henry Knight who settled in Lakeland , Polk Co Florida in l933 having left Wayne County Ga never to return . He died in Fla in l949 . This was contributed by Chris Lewis from Florida , a descendant of Abraham on her mother ' s side . Abraham ' s son , Erastus Knight , b . 1844 m . Harriet Eliza Jenkins , b . abt 1845 daughter : Sarah Ann Knight , b ? m . Reuben H . Ammons , b . 3 May 1853 daughter : Harriet " Hattie " Ammons & son : John Ammons . Sarah Ann Knight Ammons died when John was abt 5 months old and " Hattie " was abt 2 1 / 2 yrs . Hattie m . John Richard Franklin Hickox , b . 15 Sept . 1876 their daughter , Pearl Piccola Hickox , b Samuel ( b . 1793 , Effingham Co . , GA . d 3 May 1879 Hillsborough Co . , Fla ) m . Mary Roberts ( b . 1793 . , SC , d 6 May 1875 , FLA . ) Samuel and Mary had the following children : Fatima b . 18 Feb 1811 , m . 9 Mar 1827 , Enoch Collins ; Moses b . 25 Feb 1813 d . 1815 ; Aaron b . 26 Feb 1815 , m . 30 Sep 1840 , Jane Varn ; Jesse b . 18 Aug 1817 ; Thomas b . 1 Mar 1820 d . 1828 ; Joel b . 24 Feb 1823 m . Virginia Mitchell b . 29 Mar 1848 ; Frances b . 9 May 1825 . m ( 1 ) John J . Zipperer m . ( 2 ) Jacob Summerlin ; Elizabeth b . 1 Mar 1827 , m . 6 Feb 1842 , Elhannon McCall ; Mary b . 6 Mar 1829 , m 10 Feb 1849 , Geroge Hambleton ; Martha b . 3 Oct 1832 , m . 25 Dec . 1849 , Dr . Samuel B . Todd Mary married a Hunter . She later married John Stewart . Mary and John moved from Georgia to Hamilton County , Florida . Their son John married Elizabeth Sutton . Information about Mary was contributed by Marlene Casey Stewart . Marlene ' s husband is a descendant of Mary Knight Stewart . CHARLES KNIGHT ' S FAMILY IN BULLOCH COUNTY GEORGIA John Knight and Elizabeth Woodson also had a son , Joseph Knight , born about 1748 in Virginia . He was still living in Virginia when his son William was born about 1774 . Joseph Knight is listed in 1784 in Gloucester ( Head of Families - Virginia Census - R - 975.5293 VIR - Macon Library , Georgia ) . One of his early ancestor ' s , Peter Knight , owned land in Gloucester and represented that county in the House of Burgess in 1684 . Joseph ' s mother Elizabeth died about 1784 . Joseph ' s son Charles was born in 1785 in Virginia according to the 1850 Census in Washington Parish , LA . Proof of his age can be found on his War of 1812 Pension application that was filed on May 4th , 1874 , in which he states that he was 88 years old . There are no Knight ' s listed on the Census of 1810 for Gloucester County ( Microfilm Reel # M252 - 68 ) The last records of Joseph in VA were property tax records in Glouster Co . , VA in 1787 One researcher , Richard Welch , lists Joseph Knight ' s birth as 1741 and death in 1824 . He found Joseph Knight had Bounty land in in 1788 . This agrees with my research that Joseph moved to , which later became Bulloch , in 1788 , along with his brother John Knight . * Note : John Knight , who I believe was Joseph ' s brother , acquired a 1000 acres of bounty land in on August 6 , 1788 This land later became part of Bulloch It appears that their was a swap of land made between John Knight , Joseph Knight and Thomas James Knight : P . 36 : JOHN KNIGHT to JOSEPH KNIGHT , deed dated 1790 for 200 acres in Effingham Co . near Great . Witness : John London , JP . and then the following : Joseph Knight to THOMAS JAMES KNIGHT ; deed dated Dec . 4 , 1790 for tract of land ( acreage not stated ) on NW side of Williamson ' s Creek , survey for Mark Pridgen , lying near the Great River , the creek to be the line between the parties . Witness : John London , JP . In 1792 , Joseph Knight of sold some land in Darlington District that was originally granted to John Knight 21 April 1775 . Joseph and John ' s father JOHN KNIGHT died sometime between the writing of his will on September 7 , 1771 and the probate date of March 12 , 1772 So the John who originally owned the land in Darlington must have belonged to Joseph ' s brother John . John and Joseph , observing their land transactions in , apparently traded lands occasionally . P . 41 : Joseph Knight of to George McCall of Darlington Dist . , planter . Deed dated 28 March 1792 for 300 acres in former Craven Co . , now Darlington District granted John Knight 21 April 1775 , lying on south side of Pee Dee River Witnesses : John Moore , JP ; William McCall ; John McCall JP . In order to understand the reason the Knights would have acquired this land on the Pee Dee , you must go back to the Cone family who were living in Bulloch County along with the Knights . John Knight ' s son William Anderson Knight married William Cone ' s daughter Sara Cone . John Knight ' s brother Joseph married Jerusha Cone . They apparently met the Cones while they were still living in South Carolina , because , just as the land that Joseph sold to George McCall in Darlington , SC which was located on the south side of the Pee Dee River - - - William Cone was born in 1745 where he lived on the PEE DEE RIVER in North Carolina ( near the border of NC and SC . ) The Pee Dee River begins in North Carolina and flows into South Carolina . William Anderson Knight married Sarah Cone in 1780 while they were both living in South Carolina . William Anderson ' s father , John Knight , III married Rachael Frances " Fannie " Anderson on 9 Jan 1774 , in Cheraw Dist . Chesterfield Co . , SC . She was also born in Surrey , VA . The land that was sold in SC by Joseph was acquired by John in 1775 , the following year after marrying Fannie . Joseph apparently acquired the land from John and sold it many years later when he was living in Bulloch NOTE : Daniel Cone , who settled at Haddam Conn . , in 1662 , was the American progenitor . One of his descendants moved south and located on the PEE DEE RIVER in . Here in 1745 was born William Cone . . . William Cone married Barber , moved to , and was among the pioneer settlers of Taken from excerpts from Men of Mark in by Bernard Suttles , 1905 . Joseph Knight and his wife Jerusha Cone were living in Bulloch Co , GA in the late 1700 ' s . ( There are records in Bulloch Co , GA of a Knight : Jan 1828 . Inventory & appr of estate of JERUSHA KNIGHT . Alexander Knight , adminr by Isaac Richardson , William Lee , George Mikell - This information was found on a Cone Family web site . Gladys Meeks Vindal in the Statesboro , GA library had her name as , but did not know her last name . The estate was also listed here . The estate was also listed in the LA State Archives , Baton Rouge LA in a book entitled Georgia Intestate Records by Jeannette Holland Austin , Genealogical Publishing Co . , Inc . Baltimore 1986 , page 183 . Also , all GA sources agree that Joseph was the son of a John Knight . I found two sources in Statesboro library , Gladys Meeks Vindal ( a descendent of James Monroe Knight , who was the son of Joseph Knight ' s son , Francis Alexander ) lists John as father ; and a letter from Adair Kent , Ashby & McNatt to Clerk of Superior Court , Columbia Co . , GA , seeking information about Joseph ' s father John . Bill Abram , who has done extensive research on the family , has John as his father . Note : The John Knight that was found in Columbia Co , GA could not have been the correct John Knight . John Knight of Columbia Co . was John " Jackie " Knight b . Sept . 7 , 1773 in SC d . Jan 9 , 1861 in Jones Co . , Ms . Buried in Knight Cemetery , Jones Co . , MS . His wife ' s name was Davis b . 12 - 25 - 1778 in Appling , Columbia Co . , GA d . 11 - 8 - 1859 in Jones Co . , MS , buried in Knight Cemetery , Jones Co . One of their descendants was Newt Knight . You can read all about him and his renegade army in Leaf River Swamp here Joseph and his family probably moved to Effingham Co . which later became Bulloch Co . around the same time as Joseph ' s brother John ( around August 6 , 1788 ) . Joseph Knight was among those listed on a petition to the Legislature of Georgia for a new county named Bullock in the year 1795 . Very few records survive from the period 1777 to 1790 in Effingham , so the story of the early settlers is not very clear . By Act of December 14 , 1793 Screven was formed from parts of Burke and The following is the text of the petition to the state convention asking that be created from Scriven ( now spelled Screven ) and Bryan counties ( part of Effingham Co . also became Bulloch ) . His Honor the Chairman And gentlemen members of the convention f the State of 1795 The Petition of the Citizens of Scriven and Bryan humbly sheweth that your Petitioners are desirous of representing to your Honors . The inconveniency the Citizens of County labour under , when of necessity they are obliged to attend on public requisitions , having river to cross , Generally full of water and badly accommodated with flats canoes_________ As well your Petionioners pray your Honors will reflect a moment on that Act Passed the last Session of the General Assembly " Ordering the County of Bryan to extend from the Georgia coast to the lower line of County the full extent from the Georgia coast to the lower line of County the full extent of Chatham and Effingham counties , rendering it extremely inconvenient for the inhabitants of the upper part to attend on public requisitions at Hardwick a distance of at least sixty Miles . Therefore under these circumstances ( unless a General mode for the Divison of Counties should be adoped We petition your Honors that the county of extend no farther up river than ' s Cowpen ( so called ) fence with a SoW direction ' till it intersect with Liberty county line . And that the upper____ _ ( having the aforesaid boundary ) and that part of County lying on the south side of Great river as high up said river as Skulls Creek be a separate and distant county - And to avoid a discontent , which would otherwise consequently arise - let our public buildings be established as near as convenient to the centre Thereof . And your Petionioners will ever pray : Jesse Hillard . . . . . . . . John Futch Senr John Clifton . . . . . . . . Jacob Futch David Johnston . . . . . . . . Apslom Vindon ( ? ) William Johnston . . . . . . . . Thomas Frances Daniel . . . . . . . . Rowan Row William Malyard . . . . . . . . Solamon Jesse Mixon . . . . . . . . Alexander Finey Senr John Hilliard . . . . . . . . William Mixson Vinson Mixson . . . . . . . . Alexander Finey William Woodcock , . . . . . . . . Jehu Everitt William Downs . . . . . . . . James Parimore Tho Woodcock . . . . . . . . Thomas Parimore David Davis . . . . . . . . Peter Parten John Davies . . . . . . . . John Wigins William Woodcock , Junr . . . . . . . . John Cook Zachariah Gherkin Samuel Peacock . . . . . . . . James Simmons Absalam Hagin . . . . . . . John Barden Thomas Hagin . . . . . . . . James Barden Solomon . . . . . . . . Junr . . . . . . . . John Hill William Wylder . . . . . . . . Barnet Mikell Josiah Everitt . . . . . . . . James Lewis Hennery William Lewis John Wilson . . . . . . . . David Wilson . . . . . . . . Jordan Lewis Robert Gill . . . . . . . . Joseph Knight James Gill . . . . . . . . Robert Knight Thomas Gill . . . . . . . . John Martin Lewis Cook . . . . . . . . John Martin William Almonds , . . . . . . . . John Geiger William almonds , . . . . . . . . Abraham Geiger Almonds . . . . . . . . Phelix Geiger Chrisr Salter . . . . . . . . Cornelius Geiger Wise . . . . . . . . John Lastinger Henry Wise . . . . . . . . David Lastinger Hennery Chamless . . . . . . . . George James Thomas . . . . . . . . David Grover Joseph Gobert . . . . . . . . John Grover Hardy Deloatch Solomon Grover Hardy deloatch . . . . . . . . Abraham Stafford Deloatgch . . . . . . . . John Huffman Ephram Deloatch . . . . . . . Shuffield Austin Shuffield Adam Smith . . . . . . . John Wright Joel Lauracy William Wright James . . . . . . . . James Bennet . . . . . . . . Robt Parten George . . . . . . . . Thomas Thompson . . . . . . . John Thompson Jno Richard Harvey Charles Blanton George McCall William Cone . . . . . . . ___Stewart Isreal Harris . . . . . . . Edward Thos Knight . . . . . . . . Joshua Abraham Bird . . . . . . . Arthur Kerby Robert Scott . . . . . . David Goodman Kerby John Lane Aaron Cone . . . . . . . Alexander Lane Rawls . . . . . . . . Alexander Lane NOTE : The foregoing copy of the Petition to form a new county was obtained from the Hargrett Library of the University of by Smith C . Banks . The Petition was transcribed by Evelyn Mabry . Several words are illegible . A few names may have been lost . Pages of the original Petition , now tattered , were sewn together in a scroll like manner . The Spirit of a People compiled by the Statesboro Herald Publishing Company . The Georgia Legislature took lands from both Feb . 8 , 1796 , for the purpose of creating " Bullock " County . Although the legislative act created " Bullock " ; it should have been spelled " Bulloch " after the man it was named for , Patriot Archibald Bulloch , the first president of when was a sovereign state during the Revolutionary War . He was also one of ' s delegates to the Continental Congress in Philadelphia from 1775 through 1776 . He died in 1777 while holding the title of first governor of Historical Society Among those listed on the petition of 1795 was a Thomas Knight . Joseph Knight had a son named Thomas . I believe that the older Thomas who was on the 1795 petition was the son of John Knight and the younger Thomas was the son of Joseph because John Knight left Bulloch County around 1803 , perhaps a little earlier , and Joseph Knight and the younger Thomas remained in Bulloch County all of their lives . The younger Thomas would have been a very young child when John Knight moved away , so it is unlikely that he would have been John ' s son . Furthermore , it is confirmed by the following land acquisition that John and the older Thomas Knight acquired their land at the same time , next to each other . Bulloch Co . , GA Records , Deed Book AAAA and Record Book 5 , 819 - 1840 ( page numbers are to original records , not this book ) Deed Book AAAA p . 434 , Thomas N . Morel , esq . of Savannah , to Mr . John Rawls , Oct . 4 , 1821 , for 350 dollars that parecil of land originally granted to John Morel , esq then in Effingham Co . , now in Bulloch , 1000 ACRES GRANTED AUG . 6 , 1788 , bounded at the time of grand n.w . by Morel and Bowen ' s land , NE by land reserved for JOHN AND THOMAS KNIGHT and on every other side by vacant land and came to Thomas N . Morel , esq , as an heir of John Morel , esq . deceased . Wit : Job T . Bolls , George L . Cope , Rec Oct 23 , 1821 The above land transaction confirms that John Knight moved to , later Aug . 6 , 1788 I believe that Joseph Knight came at the very same time . The older Thomas Knight is listed on the 1820 Census of Bullock Co . with 2 females under 10 , 1 female 26 - 45 , 1 male 16 - 26 , 1 male 45 & up . This Thomas is not listed on the 1830 census in , so he apparently moved from the area sometime after the 1820 census and before the 1830 census . The following land sale seems to confirm that Thomas sold his land and left the area in 1823 : THOMAS KNIGHT , planter , to Allen Denmark , Planter , Dec . 29 , 1823 , for 100 dollars , 250 acres in the 8 th District of Early Col , known as Lot # 231 . Wit James Denmark , Richard A . Lane , A . Rawls . Rec Jan . 24 , 1823 ( sounds like he drew a lottery . ) There was also a Robert Knight listed on the petition . He signed his name next to Joseph Knight . He was probably an older son of Joseph . Records show that he acquired a 100 acre platt of land , Warrent deed dated Nov . 24 , 1800 . Robert ' s land borders Joseph Knight ' s on two sides . Robert is not listed on the 1820 census records , so I believe that he moved away from the area . Land records confirm that he did sell his 100 acre platt next to Josephs before 1826 ( probably quite sometime before this , because the estate of John Rawls was settled in 1826 , and part of his estate consisted of the 100 acres that was previously owned by ROBERT KNIGHT Morgan Brown of Washington Co . , Allen Rawls and James Rawls , execs . of the will of John Rawls , to peter Cone , highest bidder at public outcry , for $ 1,650 , land on the as follows : 100 acres original granted to Oliver Bowen . . .a tract of 500 acres originally granted to John Knight 100 acres originally granted to Robert Knight . . . Wit ' Alexander Knight , Abraham Richardson , JP . 22 Sept . 1826 This would also confirm that John Knight lived next to Joseph and Robert Knight , because the land sold above apparently joined . This convinces me further that Joseph and John came to Bulloch County ( previously part of Effingham ) around the same time , 1788 , and were probably related ( I believe brothers . ) Apparently Peter Cone was not interested in keeping the land because a few days later he resold it : Feb . 18 , 1825 : Peter Cone to Allen Rawls and James Rawls , $ 1,650 for the following lands on the River : 100 acres original granted to Oliver Bowen : 200 acres originally granted to John Knight ( this was probably the land that Joseph ' s brother John owned ) , 100 acres originally granted to ROBERT KNIGHT . . . : Alexander Knight ( probably Robert ' s brother ) , A . Richardson , JP . Rec . Oct . 7 , 1826 In 1773 , the Creek Indians signed a treaty giving up the coastal islands between the mouth of the and the mouth of the Altamaha in return for debts they owed to traders . This treaty opened up for settlement a large area which included present day . This pine land was considered poor and was not settled as rapidly as other sections of the state . However , settlers did come . Hardy pioneers from Virginia , North Carolina and South Carolina came into these lands , settling in what later became Screven and Bulloch County . The land along the was good oak and hickory land . This was taken up and settled first . Behind this was the piney woods which was settled slowly . The first settlers were stockmen . Spirit of a People . Joseph Knight lived near the River in Bulloch County , GA . Joseph lived on some of the best land , near the River , and he had white hickory , oak , iron wood , and maple trees . His nearest neighbor was John Rawls . John Rawls was a Justice of the Inferior Court Joseph Knight and Cone had the following children : William , Robert , Charles , Joseph , Thomas , and Frances Alexander . 1 . William ( born abt 1774 in Lunenburg County , Virginia ) William Knight served as a witness to an indenture in 1799 in Bulloch Co , GA in 1799 ( Indenture - A John Lee , planter and Elizabeth , his wife , and Burrel Whittington , planter , both of Bulloch Co , Georgia , $ 60 for 200 acres bounded by James Mikell ' s Land . Witness : William Cone , Jr . , William Knight , William Cone , J.P. Source : Bulloch Co . Georgia - Genealogical Source Material by Alvaretta Kenan Register pg . 49 , May 17 , 1799 R . July 18 , 1801 . ) I do not know if the William who witnessed the land indenture was Joseph ' s son William or Joseph ' s nephew William Anderson . Joseph was married to Cone and William Anderson was married to Sarah Cone . 2 . Robert ( unconfirmed , but VERY likely ) He married Mary _____ . There is a Warrant dated Nov 24 , 1800 for 100 acres of land in Bullock for Robert Knight located next to Joseph Knight . Robert also signed a petition in 1795 to form a new county . He signed his name next to Joseph Knight ' s . 1806 , ROBERT and MARY KNIGHT were deeded land in There are land sales records dated 1807 and 1809 for Robert Knight . He apparently won the land lottery : Oct 28 , 1807 On March 19 , 1808 : Robert Knight , Bulloch Co . sold to Evan James , Bulloch Co . 202 ac . in Baldwin Co . in 13 th district , No . 55 , which tract was drawn by Robert Knight of Bulloch Co . signed by Robert and wife Mary . The last land sale that I found for Robert was in 1809 . I believe that Robert left Bulloch County Georgia around the same time as Charles , around 1809 - 1810 . It is believed that Robert moved to Baldwin County , Georgia , and died before 1820 . The following was contributed by Mike Elliot , a descendant of Robert Knight ' s son Henry . Orphans of Robert Knight of Marshall District , Baldwin County , Georgia drew lot # 189 . District 4 in 1820 Georgia Land Lottery . This land was in Walton County , Georgia . On 24 December 1831 , Henry , Moses and Aaron , all of legal age , orphans of Robert Knight and all of Walton County , Georgia sold lot # 189 , they being 3 of 5 orphans . Sold to George Willingham of Walton County , ? ( Deed Book J , Pg . 239 ) ? . The total acreage of this land was 250 - each child receiving 50 Acres so this was probably 150 acres sold at this time . On 24 December 1831 , Henry Knight of Walton County , Georgia sold his interest to lot # 189 to George Willingham . ? ( Book K , Pg . 56 ) ? . On 4 Jan 1833 , George Willingham , guardian of Mary Ann Knight , Orphan of Robert Knight , sold her share of 50 acres to Richard Shipp . ? ( Book K , pg . 74 - 75 , Walton County ) ? . On 8 May 1839 , deed recorded in ? ( Book M , Pg . 321 ) ? , John F . Knight sold to George Willingham of Forsyth County , his interest in Lot # 189 , District 4 , drawn by orphans of Robert Knight . 3 . Joseph S . Knight , Jr . ( son of Joseph and Joseph was born abt 1786 and died about 1871 . He was listed as 86 years old on the 1870 Census in Bulloch Co . , GA ) He married Lurene ( also Syrene ) " Renney " Brown July 11 , 1853 , pg 185 Book 19 A and C Marriages . The marriage was performed by Peter Cone . This was his second marriage . Joseph and his 1 st wife Nancy - , died in 1852 , appear to have had only one child , a son named Joseph . The 1840 Census in Bulloch County lists Joseph Knight , Briarpatch , Bulloch Co . , with 1 male between 50 - 60 ; 1 male between 15 and 20 ( this is proabably his son Joseph ) and 1 female betwen 50 and 60 ( Nancy ) . The 1850 census in lists Joseph Knight , 63 farmer $ 500 GA and wife Nancy , 63 . Census : 254R / 272 / 280 p . 31 . The 1850 Census lists Joseph and Nancy ' s son , Joseph as 30 years old , 6 Subdiv p . 253 , w . Martha , 26 ; son William , 4 ; son Edward , 3 ; son James , 2 . Martha was 36 years old in the 1860 census . Joseph and Nancy ' s son , Joseph Knight is listed in the 1860 Census as forty years old ( born about 1820 in Bulloch County GA . His occupation was Farmer . This Joseph married Martha M . Hagins Dec . 3 , 1844 . The marriage was performed by Peter Cone . Joseph and Martha Hagins had the following children : William , Edmund , James , Thomas , John , Martha , Allen , and George . 1 . George Randolph Knight , b . Sept . 19 , 1865 , Bulloch Co . , Ga . d . November 05 , 1920 , Savannah , Ga . m . ( 1 ) Elizabeth Tooke Knight ; m . ( 3 ) Harriette McIntgyre Grayson . 2 . William T . Knight , b . Georgia 3 . Edmund Knight , b . 1847 , Georgia 4 . Thomas J . Knight , b . October 21 , 1850 , GA ; d . February 03 , 1911 , Bulloch Co . , GA , buried Lanes Church Cemetery ; m . ( 1 ) Frances Mikell ; m . ( 2 ) Mary R . Hagan , November 18 , 1874 , Bulloch Co . , GA . The 1870 Census lists him as farm laborer , Born in GA . The 1880 Census lists Thomas as 29 years old , occupation farming , wife Mary R . Knight age 30 born in Georgia , a son Lee H . Knight age 4 , and a son Haywood Knight age 2 . Next door was living Ben and Jane Cone and their children : Silva , Ben , Sarah , July , Turner and Nancy . Thomas Joseph Knight had four sons and one daughter . One son was named Ernest Clyde Knight ( 1887 - 1966 ) who married Adelia Martha " Mattie " DeLoach ( 1889 - 1978 ) . Ernest Knight worked for the Central of Ga R.R. until 1957 . One of his sons that was born to him was Harold Fredric Knight ( 1918 - 1989 ) who married Alice Mathis ( 1920 - 1994 ) . 5 . Martha F . Knight , b . 1857 , GA . The 1870 census lists her as a seamstress . 6 . John S . Knight , b . 1854 , Bulloch Co . , GA ; m . Julia S . Knight . John S . Knight was born in 1855 or 1856 , depending on when the census was taken . In 1920 , he was living in Waycross and listed as a survivor ofhs brother George in the obit . The 1920 census gives their address as # 39 Tebeau St . , Waycross . 7 . Allen A . Knight , b . 1859 , Bulloch Co . , GA : d . December 12 , 1937 , Glynn Co . Certificate # 31907 ; m . Susie E . Knight . 1920 Brunswick - Glynn C . Census : Allen survived his brother George ( obit ) . sheet 17 , line 69 , address : 708 I St . Brunswick , GA ; children : Abbot C . , 31 ; Ruby , 28 , dtr in law and Clinton , Jr . , grandson 9 monts . At time of death , living at 827 Union St . Brunswick , GA . He was 79 . Death certificate states he was married , but does n ' t give wife ' s name . Retired from the railroad . 8 . James Knight . In the 1860 Census , Joseph and Martha Hagins ' children were William age 14 , Edmund age 13 , James age 12 , Thomas age 9 , John age 6 , Martha age 5 , and Allen age 1 . In the 1870 census , William and Edmund are not listed . Another child was born to them , George age 7 . Joseph , Jr . ( Charles Knight ' s brother ) was 76 in the 1860 census . He was a farmer . His wife Cyrene Brown was 31 . Their children were Charles age 6 ( born 1854 ) , Rebecca age 5 ( born 1855 ) , age 3 ( born 1857 ) , and age 2 ( born 1858 ) . Joseph , Jr . and Nancy___ ' s son Joseph Knight and his wife Martha are living in Millray PO in 1860 , Joseph , 40 , farmer , Real Estate $ 1,300 ; w . Martha , 36 housekeeper ; son William , 14 ; Edmund , 13 ; James , 12 ; Thomas , 9 ; John , 4 ; Martha , 5 ; and Allen , 1 . In the 1870 Census Bulloch Co . p . 207B : Joseph Knight 49 , b . GA , Farmer , Real Estate $ 600 . w . martha , 46 , b . GA , Housekeeper , Illiterate ; son Thomas , 19 , b . GA , farm labor ; son John , 16 , b . GA , farm labor ; dtr Martha , 13 , b . GA seamstress ; son allen , 11 , B . GA , farm labor ; son George R . 7 , b . GA ; son Horace , 1 , b . GA Four doors away was his father Joseph , now 86 years old . His wife " Renney " was 41 . was 13 , Elizabeth 11 , and their new son Alexander age 7 ( born 1863 ) . Their children Charles and Rebecca were not listed . They probably died . The 1880 census of Brier Patch , Bulloch County , shows Serrena Knight as head of household , 55 years old , occupation farming , daughter Elizabeth age 21 at home , son Alexander age 19 work in farm , and also lists Peggy Sloan living with them , age 100 , black , born in North Carolina , occupation at home , father ' s birthplace North Carolina , mother ' s birthplace North Carolina . Serrena ' s husband Joseph , Jr . died in 1871 . Peggy Sloan , age 100 , black , is living with Joseph ' s will was probated Dec 3 , 1871 He left his estate to Surenea whom he married in 1853 , daughter Jurusha Surena , Eliz . Martha , son Alexander Stephen Knight . There was no mention of his son Joseph by his first marriage to Nancy , perhaps because his son Joseph had his own estate and his other children were still minors . Charles Knight ' s brother , Joseph , Jr . , is believed to be buried in a cemetery in located where Lane Road runs into old River Road . Take a left turn . The old cemetery is on the right side of the road adjacent to the first house ; on the right side of the house . There are no visible signs of any graves . The person who once owned the property cleared the grave site and threw away the old wooden grave markers . A house was built on the property , and the grave site is part of their yard . This information was obtained from Horace E . Knight of , descendent of Charles Knights brother , Frances Alexander . Horace said that he tried to buy the grave yard from the person who cleared the gravesite , so that he could save the graves , but they would not sell it to him . He kept one of the old wooden markers and put it in the church grave yard that his family is buried in . We saw the old marker . It is at the Lanes Primitive Baptist Church Cemetery near Stilson , Ga . , Bulloch County . 4 . Charles - All researchers agree that Joseph Knight had a son named Charles , but they knew nothing about him . Property records and marriage records are vital information for tracing ancestors ; and because Charles left as a young man , without owning land and before he was married , he left few clues to trace him . Charles was born in 1785 in Virginia , left Bulloch County about 1810 , moved to Washington Parish , LA , and married Susannah Williams 17 Jan 1822 , in Washington Parish . Susannah ' s mother Penelope Richardson and her father William Williams were also from 5 . Francis Alexander ( Alex ) ( born about . 1787 which at the time was called Effingham Co . , Ga . - married in 1822 - died in 1852 in Bulloch Co . , GA . ) married Sarah " Salety Lowther ( b . 1799 - d . 1859 ) . She was the daughter of John Lowther and Mary P . 403 ( Common School Fund ) , giving parents and children , with dates of birth : ALEXANDER KNIGHT AND SANDY : James M . Aug . 31 , 1823 ; Thomas , Nov . 22 , 1824 ; Charles , March 29 , 1825 or 26 ; Green H . , May 9 , 1830 ; Alexander , April 22 , 1832 ; Alfred , Feb . 22 , 1834 ; Catherine , Feb . 5 , 1838 or 39 . P . 379 : Received of CHARLES KNIGHT , my guardian , $ 1,755.24 , being my part of the estate of my father ALEXANDER KNIGHT , except my portions of the lands . Signed : ALFRED KNGIHT . Alex and Sarah ' s children were : James Monroe , Thomas , Charles , Green H . , Alexander , Alfred , and Salety Catherine . The 1850 Census in lists Alexander Knight , 63 or 65 - 6 Subdiv p . 253 K523 for soundex ; w . Sarah , 51 ; son Thomas 24 or 29 ; son George 17 ; son Alexander 17 ( not legible ) ; unable to read this entry ; dtr Rebecca , 12 . In the 1860 Census , Bulloch County , Frances Alexander ' s son Alfred is listed as 26 , Farmer , Millray PO , Real Estate $ 4,260 , w . America , 18 ; listed as a Lodger is Alfred ' s brother Charles Knight , 34 , Farmer , personal property $ 6,280 . P . 360 : Nov . 24 , 1852 . Commissioners return . At the division of the Negro property belonging to the estate of ALEXANDER KNIGHT , deceased , the following heirs drew numbers , to wit : Green H . Knight , James M . Knight , Alexander Knight , Alfred Knight , Thomas Knight , Charles Knight S.C . Knight , Seleta Knight . Signed as Commissioners : R.A. Lane , Allen Rawls , Haskel Simmons , * JOSEPH KNIGHT , JR . , John Lee . ( Joseph , Jr . was the brother of Alexander and the son of Joseph Knight , father of Charles Knight of Washington Parish . ) James Monroe ( b . 31 Aug 1823 , Bulloch Co . , GA , married Jane Butler 20 May 1853 , in Wilkinson Co . , GA . Died August 11 , 1892 in Wilkinson Co . , GA , Red Level Cemetery . Thomas ( born Nov . 22 , 1824 - died Feb . 7 , 1871 ) married Rebecca Wilson 10 Jul 1851 . The marriage was performed by William Williams . Rebecca was born Nov . 1 , 1829 . She died March 3 , 1880 . Thomas and Rebecca are buried in Knight Cemetery The 1860 census in Bulloch County lists Thomas Knight , 35 , farmer b . GA p . 847 , Real Estate $ 1000 ; w . Sarah ( middle name Rebecca ) . She is listed as a widow on the 1880 census . She died March 3 , 1880 son Andrew , 5 ; son James , 3 ; Sarah , 1 . Two doors down : Edward , 29 . No other information about him . ( Thomas Knight ' s brother Alfred Knight and his wife America Wilson Knight had a son named Edward . ) Their children were John A . , Andrew Jackson buried in Cemetery , James H . buried in , Sarah U ( Or V ) , William R . buried in Knight Cemetery Frances Ophlia buried in Lanes Primitive , T . F . buried in , and Horace E . is buried in Lanes Thomas and Rebecca ' s son Horace E . Knight was born Sept 29 , 1868 . He died Dec . 18 , 1924 . He married Susie G . Knight ( born May 20 , 1884 - died Feb . 4 , 1976 ) . They are both buried in near Stilson ) . * Lane ' s began in 1805 near the on land donated by Richard Lane . In the 1880s , when the population shifted away from the river , services were discontinued . In 1884 a committee from Upper Black Creek helped reorganize Lane ' s Church . W . J . Strickland donated the land near Stilson for the new church . Spirit of the People . The 1870 census shows Thomas as age 45 , Rebecca age 40 , John A . age 17 , Andrew J . age 15 , James H . age 13 , Sarah V . ( orU ) age 11 , William R . age 9 , Frances O . age 4 , and Horace E . age 1 . ( T . F . was born in 1870 , probably after the Census was taken . ) Thomas ' occupation was Farmer . Thomas was only 45 or 46 years old when he died . After his death , his brother Charles married Thomas ' wife Sarah Rebecca . Charles is buried in the same cemetery as Thomas and Rebecca , 3 sons and a grandson . The 1880 Bulloch Co . Census 499 / 269 / 269 p . 71 shows Sarah " Rebecca " is married to Thomas ' brother Charles Knight after Thomas ' death . She married him April 21 , 1875 Rebecca died , and in the 1880 Census , Charles is married and living with Rebecca and her children . Charles died Feb . 18 , 1887 Knight , Charles 54 , Rheumatism ; wife Sarah R . ( Rebecca ) 52 ; Andrew J . 25 ; James H . 22 ; Sarah L . 21 ; William R 19 ; Frances O 14 ; Horris E . 11 ; Thomas F 9 . They are buried in . The cemetery is located right off Old River Road near Leefield GA ( Bulloch Co . ) , on Shearouse Landing ( Shearouse Landing use to be called Knights Landing ) . It is located in a field next to a country road , fenced in , with a field on three sides . There are only eight graves in the cemetery : Alexander ' s son , Thomas ; Rebecca ; Thomas ' brother , Charles ; three of Thomas and Rebecca ' s sons : James H . , T . F . , William R . , and Andrew Jackson . Another grave is for Forest Knight . Forest Knight was born May 29 , 1872 , after Thomas died . On the 1910 Census in Briar Patch , Bulloch County , GA , there is a Forest Knight age 37 , Ed Knight age 38 , and Claude Knight age 48 living with mother " Amersea " Knight age 69 . Her name was probably America . America Wilson married Charles and Thomas ' brother Alfred . Her son Forest is probably the one buried in the cemetery along with Thomas and Rebecca Wilson Knight and their children and Thomas ' brother Charles Knight . Thomas Knight ' s marker reads : ( This was the son of Charles Knight ' s brother , Alex . ) Our Father Thomas Knight Nov 22 , 1824 Feb . 7 , 1871 Gone but not forgotten Thomas Knight ' s wife Rebecca ' s marker reads : Our Mother Rebecca Knight Nov . 1 , 1829 Mar . 3 , 1880 Mother thou hast from us found To the regions far above We to thou direct this stone Consecrated by our love . Thomas ' brother , Charles ' marker reads : ( This was the son of Charles Knight ' s brother , Alex . ) Our Uncle Charles Knight Nov . 15 , 1826 Feb . 18 , 1887 May he find joy in the life everlasting . Thomas and Rebecca ' s son James ' marker reads : Our Brother J.H. Knight April 30 , 1857 May 5 , 1891 Another son of Thomas and Rebecca ' s marker reads : Our Brother T.F. Knight June 30 , 1870 Oct 17 , 1902 Thomas and Rebecca ' s son William ' s marker reads : W.R. Knight Jan 10 , 1861 July 3 , 1906 Thomas and Rebecca ' s son Andrew Jackson ' s marker reads : A.J. Knight August 15 , 1854 June 28 , 1909 Forest Knight ' s marker reads : Forest Knight May 29 , 1872 March 25 , 1915 NOTE : Information about this cemetery was obtained from Horace E . Knight of Brooklet , GA ( ) a descendant of Thomas Knight ( son of Frances Alexander ) through his son Horace E . Frances Alexander ' s children continued : Charles born November 15 , 1826 , died February 18 , 1887 , buried in along with his brother Thomas . After the death of his brother in 1871 , Charles married Thomas ' wife Sarah Rebecca on April 21 , 1875 Green H . born 9 May 1830 married America Cone . William Alexander born 20 Apr 1832 married Margaret R . ( ) Rawls 7 April 1858 . He died in 1867 in Alford born 22 Feb 1834 , married 13 or 15 Jan 1860 , America Wilson ( pg . 56 Book 19 A and C Marriages 1857 - 67 , 1867 - 68 ) . Alford died in 1870 in Bulloch County The 1860 Census 847 / 471 / 474 p . 51 , in Bullock County lists his birth year as 1834 ; farmer , Value of real estate $ 4,260 ; personal $ 8,270 , P.O. , Census taken July 14 , 1860 . Alford Knight 26 , farmer , wife America , 18 ; Charles , 34 farmer Census has Charles , 34 , ( Charles is the son of Francis Alexander and the brother of Alford . Charles married his brother Thomas ' wife Rebecca Wilson ) . Charles had personal property $ 6,280 ; farmer . Catherine born 5 Feb 1838 , married 13 Dec 1856 , James W . Moore . The ceremony was performed by Peter Cone , pg 227 , Book 19 , A and C marriages 1857 - 67 - 1867 - 68 . Joseph and Knight ' s children continued : 6 . Thomas Knight ( born in 1790 in Effingham , now Bulloch Co . , GA - died in 1853 in Bulloch Co . , GA ) He married married ( 2 ) Frances 25 Sep 1817 Ref . Bk . 2 - A . p . 13 ; 1850 Census P 253 Fm 258 - Bulloch Co . , GA . The marriage was performed by John Everett , J.P . In the 1850 Bulloch Co . Census 253R / 251 / 258 / p . 29 : Knight , Thomas , 60 , Farmer $ 3,000 , born GA ; w . Frances , 50 ; Edward 17 ; Sophany 15 ; Frances 12 . James Cones family lived next door to Thomas and Frances in the 1850 Census . P . 365 : 16 March 1851 . Inventory and appraisement of the estate of THOMAS KNIGHT , SR . P . 365 : 15 Dec . 1853 . Certification of appraisal and valuation of the goods , chatetels of THOMAS KNIGHT , SR . , deceased . Signed A . Rawls , CHARLES KNIGHT ( son of Frances Alexander Knight - buried in the old Landing Road R.A. Lane , A.J. Wilson , Augustus Lanier , JP . Thomas ' brother Joseph Knight and an E . Knight were the administrators : 15 Dec 1853 . A list of sale of estate of THOMAS KNIGHT , SR . Signed : JOSEPH KNIGHT AND E . KNIGHT , Admrs . ( E . Knight was probably Thomas ' son Edward Knight . ) In the 1860 Census Edward , 29 years old , is living 2 doors down from his first cousin , Francis Alexander Knight ' s son , Thomas Knight and his wife Rebecca and their children . Thomas Knight and Frances Mikell ' s children were William ( born Jan . 27 , 1824 ) , Margaret ( born Oct . 30 , 1825 ) , Allen ( born Jan 11 , 1829 or 30 ) ; Thomas Edward ( born March 30 , 1831 ) ; Sophany P . ( Born Feb 5 , 1833 or 35 ) married Peter C . 24 Oct 1855 ; and Frances ( born Dec . 26 , 1839 ) . The 1880 census lists Thomas Knight and his wife Francis Mikell ' s son Thomas Edward as 49 years old , occupation farmer , wife America Knight , 39 years old and keeping house , a son Charles age 18 at school , a son Claudius age 16 at school , a daughter Florence 14 years old at school , a son Horris age 7 , a daughter Velarer age 3 , a daughter Aarelia age 2 , and also living with them was America ' s mother Mary Wilson age 72 . Thomas Knight bought land next to his brother Frances Alexander on April 29 , 1829 This had to be the Thomas Knight , brother to Frances Alexander , and not Frances Alexander ' s son Thomas because Frances Alexander Knight ' s son Thomas was not born until Nov . 22 , 1824 Record Book 5 , p . 6 : James Rawls to THOMAS KNIGHT " from pure motives , " a parcel of land granted and sold to KNIGHT on April 6 , 1829 , beginning at a pine tree at the corner of Peter Cone ' s property , when the dividing line was run between ALEXANDER and THOMAS KNIGHT , in the ede of that little brance on the lower or south side , thence to a stake corner in the field on the dividing line that runs to the swamp . Wit : ALEXANDER KNIGHT , A . Rawls , Rec . April 29 , 1829 * NOTE : Information about the children of Frances Alexander and Thomas was found on the Common School Fund list : Records in Office of Probate Judge , Bullock Co . , representing bills submitted by individual teachers to the Commissioners or Treasurer , and listing " scholars " whom they taught . The state paid three months tuition for " poor " students . This does not mean that Alex and Thomas Knight ' s children were covered . The teachers would list " all " of their students . It was later decided which students were covered . Thomas and Frances - daughter , Knight ( born 25 Dec 1839 died 28 June 1896 , buried in Lee Cemetery , Bulloch Co . , GA ) married James Madison Lee 7 March 1872 . The marriage was performed by J.R. Miller ( pg . 44 Book 19 a and C marriages 1857 - 67 - 1867 - 68 ) . Frances and James ' son Thomas Franklin Lee ( born 30 Jan 1873 died 22 April 1932 , b . Lee ) , Daughter Lela Lee ( b Sept 13 , 1877 - d July 10 , 1882 , buried Lee ) and a son Rufus Lee ( born March 15 , 1875 - died August 4 , 1878 , buried ) . By the 1820 Census of Bulloch Co . , GA , only Alex ( Francis Alexander ) , Joseph , and Thomas are still living in Bulloch Co . , GA . Charles , Robert and William Knight are not listed on the 1820 Census in Bulloch Co . It is not known when Charles ' father Joseph died . He died prior to a copy of an agreement dated Jan . 31 , 1823 , Bulloch Co . , Ga . between Alexander Knight and Thomas Knight of same County , " heirs of Joseph Knight . . .our father . " Their mother Knight ' s estate was administered by Alexander Knight in 1828 . ALEXANDER KNIGHT and THOMAS KNIGHT , for 150 dollars , binds Alexander Knight as administrator of the estate of JERUSHA KNIGHT . Jan . 18 , 1828 P . 313 : 26 Jan . 1828 Inventory and apprisement of estate of JERUSHA KNIGHT . Alexander Knight , admir by Issac Richerdson , William Lee and George MIKELL . William ( Choctaw Bill ) Williams and Penelope Richardson also lived in Bulloch Co . , GA . There were many Williams in . Many of them remained there all of their lives . I have not been able to determine which Williams was the father of William Williams . A James Williams was granted land in which became Bullock in 1796 . He would have lived near the Knights and Richardsons . He was born in 1757 in , the son of David Williams . He married in 1777 to Elizabeth Callaway , born in 1759 in . He served in the Revolutionary War in both and was in the Battle of Kettle Creek . He died in 1817 in . A Frederick Williams also lived in . He was born in 1751 in , the son of James Williams and Mary Wallace Williams . He was a private in the Georgia Militia . He died in 1821 in . It is not known if he married . It is very unlikely that either brothers Seth or Samuel Williams was the father of " Choctaw Bill " . Seth married Elizabeth Godfrey in 1790 , and Samuel married Delilah Nevill in 1784 . Neither men would have been old enough to have a granddaughter Susannah Williams , wife of Charles Knight . These accounts of the Williams ' families were taken from records of the DAR and published in Spirit of a People In late 1790 , John Crawford and Philip Mathews , Burke Circuit preachers , met with John Hodges , his sons , and , most likely , members of the neighboring Mizell and Williams families to create a Methodist Society that would shortly become Union Church , ' s oldest Methodist . It was started in the home of Joshua Hodges , Sr . which was located on the western side of the in what would later become . However , many of the Williams families in remained Baptist . Griffin Mizell of Bulloch County maried Susannah Carter in 1797 . She was the daughter of Matthew Carter . Griffin was the son of William Mizell . William Mizell , Jr . of Bulloch married Polly Love in 1802 . Benjamin Richardson of married Nancy Hendrix in 1802 . They moved to Washington Parish , Louisiana . He was the son of Benjamin Richardson and Sarah Mizell Richardson . He was the brother of Penelope . Information on Some Pioneers - Maddox . Benjamin , John ( married Fannie Richardson 5 - 10 - 1800 in Bulloch , GA ) and Widow Richardson are listed on the 1820 Census in Washington Parish , LA . The soil in was very poor and weather was either flood or drought , and it was either too hot or too cold . There were very freightening thunderstorms . Living was a struggle in the backcountry . Many of the westward - bound pioneers were eager to sell their property at any price . Spirit of a People Among those who left Bulloch County were " Choctaw Bill " Williams who traveled from Georgia to Louisiana trading with the Choctaw Indians in Washington Parish , LA , his family settled around Covington ; Charles Knight ( Charles was unmarried , a brother is believed to have moved to Miss . , so he might have also traveled with him ) settling in Pine , the Mizells ( John and David Mizell are listed on the 1820 Census in Washington Parish , LA ) and the Richardsons ( Widow Richardson , Benjamin and John are listed on the 1820 Census in Washington Parish . They all moved to the Florida Parishes around 1810 , however , it is unclear if they came at the same time . Penelope ( b . 1775 GA . d . 1841 ) and William Williams ( d . 1825 ) are buried in the Richardson Baptist was the dominant religion in . It is evident by the lives of Charles and Susan Knight and their family , that Charles brought his deeply rooted Baptist beliefs of with him to Washington Parish , LA . The first Baptist church in the state of Louisiana was established near Franklinton LA in 1812 on the Bogue Chitto Charles died April 1 , 1877 . Charles and Susannah Knight are buried in the Enon Enon LA . Many of the Knight family are buried in Knight ' s are still attending this old country church , and the Baptist religion is still prevalent among the Knight family . It is believed that Charles Knight of Washington Parish had five brothers . One of the brothers is believed to have moved to Mississippi . ( 144485 - Washington Parish Library - Franklinton - Family History of the William Penn Knight Family ) . The brother who lived in Mississippi was probably either William or Richard . Joseph , Alex and Thomas remained in for the rest of their lives . The following history of the Cone Family was taken from excerpts from Men of Mark in Georgia by Bernard Suttles , 1905 , Contributed by Nell Campbell : The Cone Family For one hundred and thirty years the Cone family has been contributing in each generation splendid citizens and soldiers to the service of . Previous works of history and biography have dealt with this family in a very meager way , as will appear from the record . William Cone , the Elder . Daniel Cone , who settled at Haddam Conn . , in 1662 , was the American progenitor . One of his descendants moved south and located on the . Here in 1745 was born William Cone , the Revolutionary soldier , who is generally believed to have been a son of William , though this is not altogether certain , as his father ' s name may have been Aaron . Previous to the Revolution , William Cone married Barber , moved to , and was among the pioneer settlers of . He was an ardent patriot and during the Revolution saw service in McLean ' s regiment and under Gen . Francis Marion . This Capt . William Cone was a terror to the Tories , as several incidents will show . When the notorious Tory , McGirth , and his followers were terrorizing that part of the State , it was learned that one Cargill harbored the Tories and gave them information about the Whigs . Cargill was advised that it meant death if he was again found in company with McGirth not long after , when William Cone was hunting deer on the he saw them together in the woods . He shot Cargill , but escaped , and the next day when they went to bury the dead man it was found that the wolves had almost devoured his body . At another time the Tories fell on an unsuspecting settlement , stole the settlers ' horses , and carried away everything possible . Headed by Captain Cone , the settlers pursued them down into what is now Tatnall . Finding after a shower of rain that they were close on their heels , they sent forward one of their number to reconnoiter . The approach of this man became known to the Tories through one of the stolen horses , and one of their number , starting out to learn the cause of their confusion , was shot dead by the scout , who was concealed behind a log . This was the signal for an attack , and the patriots rushed forward , drove the Tories into the Ohoopee and recovered their stolen goods . It is said that this raid broke the power of the Tories in that community . At the close of the Revolution , Captain Cone returned to the pursuits of peace near Ivanhoe , and in 1796 was foreman of the first grand jury raised in Bulloch county . He died in 1815 , about seventy years of age . It is a tradition in the Cone family that three brothers of Capt . William Cone fell in battle during the Revolutionary War , William being the sole survivor of the four brothers . He reared three sons and nine daughters . Of his sons , Aaron Cone was the only one who remained in , and he was the father of six sons and six daughters . Peter Cone Gen . Peter Cone was the eldest child of Aaron Cone and grandson of Capt . William Cone . His father , Aaron Cone , was born October 31 , 1766 , before the family left . In 1788 he married Susan Marlow , and Peter Cone was born at Ivanhoe , August 6 , 1790 . His father was a wealthy man , owned large landed estates with many slaves , and carried on extensive planting operations . he was much esteemed in Bulloch county , a member of the Baptist church , and died at Ivanhoe , Bulloch county on June 6 , 1835 , being then nearly sixty - nine years old . When the War of 1812 began , inheriting the family trait , Peter Cone enlisted , became a captain , and was stationed at Fort Sunbury . In 1818 he served under General Andrew Jackson in this campaign . At the outbreak of the Civil War , Peter Cone was the senior major - general of the militia of the State of . Early in the thirties he became a member of the General Assembly and remained in that body continuously for thirty years . It is said that this is the longest continuous service by one man in the history of he was a most influential man in his section of , and absolutely dominated for thirty years . A notable character in his day , he was held in much esteem by the public men of that time and lived until the year 1866 . He never married . William Cone , the Younger When the break - up occurred in the family of Capt . William Cone , the elder , after the Revolutionary War , Aaron remained in . Joseph moved to Thomas , and William , junior , moved to Camden . William , Jr . was a very notable man . He represent Camden for twenty three years in the legislature . He was born in 1777 , and when the War of 1812 broke out was a man of thirty - five , in the prime of life . He inherited the reckless courage of the Cone family and became a captain in that war . It is related that in his infancy a body of Tories and British came to his father ' s house seeking the elder Cone , cut open a feather bed upon which the baby was resting , and poured baby and feathers out together , and the little fellow was nearly suffocated before St . John ' s Rivers . He was a participant in a campaign against the Alachua Indians , engaging in a hand - to - hand fight with an Indian at Alligator , killing his antagonist with clubbed musket after he had exhausted his ammunition . Returning form this expedition , they had to live on horse meat for quite a time . He took part in the defeat of the British naval expedition on St Mary ' s river , and in the operations against St . Augustine so incurred the hostility of the Spanish that they offered a reward of ten thousand dollars for his head . One of the brilliant exploits of that war was his defeat of the British on the St . Mary ' s in 1815 . Twenty - three barges loaded with British soldiers ascended the river for the purpose of burning Major Clarke ' s mill . The enemy intended to land at a place called Camp Pinckney march to Clarke ' s mill on the Spanish creed some three miles distant . Captain Cone with twenty - eight men was concealed in the palmettoes which lined the river banks , and his men being expert riflemen , opened fire on the barges . The bargers replied with cannon and small - arms fire , which was ineffective . For several miles Captain Cone ' s men took advantage of every turn of the river and and at every shot brought down a man . Finally the British unable longer to stand the fire , retraced their course to St . Mary ' s . Upon their arrival at St . Mary ' s they reported one hundred and eighty men killed and as many wounded . Some time after the war Captain William Cone settled in and as late as 1842 represented Columbia in the Florida State Senate . He died at Benton Columbia County Fla . , on August 24 , 1857 , and was buried at Prospect church cemetery in Hamilton . He was eighty years old at the time of his death . He had married Sarah Haddock , in , about 1815 . William Burrows Cone Judge Wm . B . Cone was a grandson of the fiery old Tory - hating captain , through the son who moved to Southwest Georgia [ Joseph ] . His mother was a Wadsworth . The family settled in Dooly in 1832 , and the father dying soon after , the lad became the mainstay of his mother , who had the children to rear . In 1835 , then just a man , he married Elizabeth Mobley and settled down to farming . In a few years he became one of the leading men of this county , which he represented in the legislature in 1847 and 1850 , and there met his kinsmen , Judge Francis Cone and General Peter Cone . Returning home from the general Assembly , he was elected Judge of the Inferior Court of , which position he held continuously until the close of the Civil war . After the War he lived in retirement at his handsome country home until his death in 1877 , leaving the reputation of an horrible , capable man a a pure patriot . The Later Generations William Cone , the younger , left a family of sons who made a remarkable military record . His oldest son , B.N. Cone was captain of a company during the Indian wars in , a daring and reckless officer . Another son , Capt . William H . [ William Haddock ] Cone , served as captain during the Seminole war in 1857 and made the most important campaign and capture of Indians during that war . later he served as captain of a cavalry company in the Confederate army . Another son , Peter Cone [ Simon Peter ] , was lieutenant in the Indian war and served as first lieutenant in the Confederate army . The fourth son , J.B. Cone [ James Barnard Cone ] , was considered the most powerful man physically in the State of . He served in the Indian war of 1857 and was lieutenant of cavalry in the Confederate army . The fifth and youngest son , C.F. Cone [ Charles F . ] , served as lieutenant in the Indian war of 1857 and was captain of a cavalry company in the Confederate army . D.N. Cone [ Daniel Newsome ] , a son of Capt . B.N. Cone and a grandson of Capt . William Cone , served the entire four years as a member of the Confederate army , and his son , Hutch I . Cone , entered Going back to , we find that Gen . Peter Cone had a brother James . Col . J . S . Cone [ Joseph Smith Cone ] , son of James and nephew of Peter , entered the Confederate army in 1861 as a lieutenant , later promoted to captain , and for distinguished bravery in the battle of Chickamauga was , on the recommendation of Gen . John C . Breckinridge , promoted to major . At John ' s Island , Colonel Cone was the leader of the assault ; he commanded the fort at Secessionville in the fall of 1864 , and in the battle of Honey Hill was badly wounded an promoted to lieutenant - colonel . His name appears on the Chickmauga monument , and Camp 1227 , United Confederate Veterans , bears his name . from 1870 to 1875 , Colonel Cone , following in the footsteps of this distinguished uncle , served his district in the State senate of . Depressed by the death of his devoted wife and business losses , he with drew from public life , and has since lived a retired life in Bulloch county . His old regiment , the Forty - seventh Georgia , bore the brunt of many a hard struggle . When sent to the relief of Vicksburg , it mustered 1,100 men . Later on , when sent to Charleston , Colonel Cone , then in command reported 150 muskets . The record above given shows that this family has been represented numerously in all the struggles of our country from the Revolutionary War down , and that in times of peace it has had many strong members of the various legislative bodies . The family record is indeed a remarkable one and worthy of preservation in our annals for the great qualities shown - - bravery , patriotism , good business capacity , sound legislative judgment , and unfailing loyalty to country . - - Men of Mark in by Bernard , 1905 . William Cone came to to and then to . He was born about 1745 and died in 1822 . The latter part of the war he fought Tories in this section of He lived in what is now and died in Ivanhoe . Hs grave is east of Joe Cone ' s field in a thickly wooded section between the Old River Road and the . It is identified by a marker erected by the DAR . He was married to Kesiah Barber . Story of Pub . Bulloch Co . Historical Society , 1973 . The Civil War in was generally a time of fear and hiding for civilians . Yankee soldiers coming through the area killed live stock , stole their food , and destroyed what they could not carry off . Of the 750 white men of at the time , 600 entered the miliary service of the Confederate States of America . It is doubtful that any county paid a higher price to the Confederacy . The U.S. Census of 1870 , four years after the war ended , show less than 10 percent of the population of was made up of white men between the ages of 22 and 40 . T.Y. Aiken from was in the 47 Regiment of the Georgia Infantry . He won the honor of being the ugliest soldier in the Confederacy from a soldier in the 60 Regiment . The commanding officer was the final judge . Spirit of a People Ivonhoe no longer exists . All that is left is an old abandoned house and some fields . It was located at 32 - 17 ; N 81 28 39 ; W , Elevation 94 feet ; GA - 119 CONN . near GA - 119 , Ivanhoe , . A right turn onto GA - 119 , a few feet ahead , will take you to the bridge that separates Bulloch and Effingham Co . 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http://freestateyachts.com/ChoosingaSailboatforBluewaterCruising.html | Selecting a Sailboat for Bluewater Cruising There are many things to consider when selecting the right boat for extended cruising . We offer you the thoughts and experience of one of our brokers while narrowing down the list of boats for his planned circumnavigation with his son . Roger Johansson Bluewater Cruiser Selection By Bob Frantz As I was beginning the process of identifying and purchasing a boat to sail around the world in with my son , I initially found the task overwhelming . There are so many different manufacturers of boats with different kinds of specifications and reputations that it seemed the task might be impossible . Different hull shapes , keel / rudder types , rig types , monohull vs . multihull . . . you get the picture . What I found as the best way to work through the process in a logical manner is to start with identifying your objectives What are your objectives ? The way through the maze , however , revealed itself when I started to hone in on the criteria that were most important to me , in other words , what are my objectives . This is how I suggest anyone start the process of finding a boat for bluewater cruising . For me , first and foremost , I wanted a boat that would take us safely to our destination . Next I wanted a boat that would be fairly fast , so that the passages would not be unreasonably long . I also wanted a boat that was Fairly quickly I settled on a monohull vs . a multihull . My theory was that I wanted a boat that if it capsized , it would right itself . Monohulls also have a more regular and predictable motion in the ocean . Because catamarans have two hulls in the water somewhat separated from one another , each hull is independently affected by the waves , sometimes resulting in a disconcerting motion . Having said that , there are many great catamarans out there that are easily crossing oceans in fair weather and foul , and the good ones are Regarding the rig , I prefer a sloop rig due to its upwind capabilities , but would have considered a ketch , if I had found the right boat . While a ketch rig does n ’ t perform as well going to windward as a sloop , it is perfectly adequate off the wind , which is the primary type of sailing one does on a westabout circumnavigation . It also has some benefit for shorthanded crews , as the sails are smaller and more easily handled than on a sloop . Budget Budget is obviously a matter that is different for everyone . Boats can be found for a wide range of prices that are capable of , or with some work can be made capable of , crossing oceans . To state the obvious , older boats cost less than newer ones . However , one factor that must be considered is the cost to refit an older boat to a state that makes it capable of bluewater cruising . Even newer boats can require some investment . My boat , Blue Heron , was 6 ½ years old when I purchased her . I sailed her one season before heading off on the circumnavigation . Before I left , however , I felt I needed to upgrade the sails and some electronics due to their age and the fact that she did not have AIS ( Automated Identification System ) , a means by which you can easily see and be seen by ships and other yachts . Smaller boats also cost less than a larger one , and one can often meet budget requirements by downsizing a bit . It has been said that it ’ s better to buy a newer smaller boat than an older , larger boat to achieve budget objectives . The newer smaller boat will cost much less to maintain than the older larger one , possibly even to the extent that the owner of the larger one can be overwhelmed by the cost of maintenance . For a more comprehensive discussion of this issue , see Leonard , Beth A . The Voyager ’ s Handbook ( 2007 ) at 42 - 44 . Another factor to consider is ease of reselling , and the ability of the brand to hold its value . When I started the process , I knew that I wanted a relatively new boat ( less than 10 years old ) , in part because I thought I might sell it when I returned , and felt that a newer boat would be easier to sell . A newer boat would also be less likely to need any major service and repairs during the trip . My budget then constrained the size boat that I could afford . I How to judge the more qualitative factors Age , size and price are all readily measured and therefore are easy factors by which to sort boats . Sea - kindliness , or motion at sea , is not obvious in a boat without a sea trial , which can not be done for every boat that you ’ re considering . Similarly , safety in the form of stability , righting moment and the like are also hard to judge when looking at a boat . Fortunately , there are some ratings systems out there that help with this process . For example , there is something 1 These assumptions can be more or less reflective of comfort on one type of boat versus another and , ultimately , ride comfort is a very subjective matter . Boats are also rated on their stability , through something called a stability index , or STIX for short . STIX is calculated by a third - party organization , the International Standards Organization , or ISO , through their standard number 12217 . The rating is on a scale of 1 - 100 , and factors in such things as ability to withstand a capsize or knockdown , righting moment , and wind moment ( ability to withstand a gust of wind ) . Boats equal to or greater than a STIX rating of 32 are rated Category A An organization that pulls this all together is Lloyd ’ s Register , which rates boats into four categories : Design Category A Ocean . Designed for extended voyages where conditions may exceed winds of Beaufort Force 8 and significant wave heights of 4 meters and above , and for which vessels must be largely self - sufficient . Design Category B Offshore . Designed for offshore voyages where conditions up to , and including winds of wind force 8 and significant wave heights up to , and including 4 meters may be experienced . Design Category C Inshore . Designed for sailing coastal waters , large bays , estuaries , lakes and rivers where conditions up to and including wind force 6 and significant wave heights up to , and including 2 meters may be experienced . Design Category D Sheltered Waters . Designed for sailing on small lakes , rivers and canals where conditions up to and including wind Force 4 and significant wave heights up to , and including 0.5 meters may be experienced . Putting this all together , for bluewater cruising , from my perspective , my preference is for a boat with a motion comfort index of 30 or better , preferably closer to 35 or more and Lloyd ’ s Register rating of Category A Ocean . Not all boats will be rated by all these systems , as Lloyd ’ s is a third party certification and manufacturers have to pay for them . Moreover , some manufacturers may choose not to have their boat rated ( sometimes for obvious reasons ) . STIX ratings are newer and again , By using these criteria , consulting a number of books that have been written on the subject , and talking with a wide range of brokers , sailors and sailboat experts , I came up with a shorter list of boats , not all of which met all of my criteria , but which met many or most . This process hammered home the old adage that when it comes to boats , everything is a compromise . The boats on my list included : Hallberg Rassy 40 and 43 ; Najad 390 , 420 ; Valiant 40 and 44 I was able to narrow the list further based a few additional factors . Was the tankage adequate ? What about storage and creative use of space ? Does the boat have a center cockpit or an aft cockpit ? While I did n ’ t rule out aft cockpit , I concluded that I preferred the center cockpit , both because it offered a large aft cabin and because the cockpit is a bit higher , making it less likely that a boarding wave could swamp the cockpit . The used boat buyer is , of course , also constrained by availability . Not every one of the sizes / models desired is available at the time you ’ re in the market for a boat . The range of boats is even more constrained if you ’ re limiting your search to a particular geographic area . If you ’ re not willing to travel and perhaps ship the boat , the range of choices will be smaller . The Annapolis area is one of the few areas offering a wide selection of sailboats , and it ’ My analysis led me to Hallberg - Rassys in the 40 to 43 ’ range . I settled on a 2003 Hallberg - Rassy 43 after looking at two different ones that were available at the time in the Annapolis area . The one I chose was a little better equipped than the other , as well as having an electrical system which was switchable between 115 volts and 230 volts . HR 43 ’ s are rated Category A Ocean and have a comfort motion index of about 34 . The comfort motion rating is conservative because it ’ During our circumnavigation , Blue Heron , our HR 43 , performed admirably , keeping us safe in the foulest of weather while moving us toward our destination expeditiously . She was often the subject of compliments wherever we were anchored or in a marina . HRs are recognized around the world as classy , high - end blue water cruisers , and the compliments we received certainly reflected that . After returning we kept Blue for another year , but ultimately decided we did not need this much boat if we were primarily going to cruise the Chesapeake . As a result , we sold her and will be replacing her with a new Hallberg Rassy 372 . As I reflect back on the process and what it entailed , there is one additional consideration I would offer . I undertook my search without a broker , largely because the few whom I had initially talked with did not seem like the right fit . A knowledgeable and honest broker , however , can assist and simplify immensely the process of finding your dream yacht . They can also provide a sounding board for any boats you may look at , and can even help you to rule out boats that may have issues . While they should 1 Motion comfort equals D ÷ [ 0.65 X ( 0.7 LWL + 0.3 LOA ) X BWL ⌃ 1.33 ] , where D is displacement in pounds , LWL is length of the waterline , LOA is length overall , and BWL is beam at the waterline , taken to the 1.33 power . References Leonard , Beth A . , The Voyager ’ s Handbook , The Essential Guide to Bluewater Cruising , McGraw Hill 2007 . Mate , Ferenc , The World ’ s Best Sailboats , Albatross Books , 2003 Neal , John , Selecting a Boat for Offshore Cruising , January 2014 , Mahina Expeditions . Roth , Hal , How to Sail Around the World , McGraw Hill , 2004 Siefert , Bill , Offshore Sailing , McGraw Hill 2002 sales @ freestateyachts . com 410 - 867 - 9022 or 1 - 800 - 871 - 1333 Return to brokerage page | [
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