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or should it be okay, well, so perhaps in that 15 minute time period that that timer you're delaying using marijuana, you could start watching the show.
5yq
Yeah, I can do that.
7ack
At the under 15 minutes, you might end up using marijuana or you might want to continue watching the show. So do you see kind of how it works? Like is it making sense to you the postponing?
1irq
Yeah, it doesn't make it any easier, but it's tough for you. Yeah. Yeah. No, I definitely see how helps
0id
And maybe if we're successful to 15?
1irq
Who knows? We'll move it up from there.
1irq
Maybe we'll see how the 15 goes, see
3gc
how it goes the 15? Yeah, I'll see how that goes. You know, I'm hoping. And I hope this kind of makes sense that there'll be a point where you will be really interfering with the vast majority of the times that use marijuana. Like because you're giving yourself that many more opportunities, the longer you wait. Right. The more minutes you wait, the more opportunities for something else to get in the way so to speak. And probably what you'll see, just like you saw this last because you're, you know, you used marijuana less frequently, just by waiting the 10 minutes. Even though you described as difficult I'm sure it was, but there were a few times where it kind of worked out
1irq
Yeah.
7ack
So, I think that planning something for that time would be helpful. And try to plan something 15 minutes, even if you fully intend to beyond the 15 to go right and use, I think it's still useful plan something in there. You never know that might take you. Or you might end up walking or watching TV or doing something else that would distract you or pull you away from the marijuana use. Okay. So that's like a plan.
1irq
Okay
2gt
Sounds like a plan?
2gt
Yeah, I think we can manage that.
2gt
All right. We'll go with that. And I'll see you next week. Okay, thank you.
2gt
Hey carla. How are you?
2gt
it is good, how are you?
2gt
I'm doing well. Thanks for asking.
2gt
What's been going on this last week?
1irq
Um,
3gc
I've just been feeling like kind of in a rut. I mean, I've been looking for a job and hadn't really gotten anywhere and then the
0id
I had a drink the other night. And I just felt like
0id
that like me not having a job and going out and having that drink. Like I just, it wasn't deserved, and I just felt like such a loser because I should have that was the time that I should have been at work. If I had a job and instead I was at the bar drinking. So I had one drink, and then Ellen two Do another because then I just felt worse. And I figured I had one. So come on.
0id
So how much should you drink in total?
1irq
I think I lost track after four or five.
0id
But How long had it been since you had a drink? before that?
1irq
I did really well. I it was, I think like three weeks,
0id
three weeks or so. She did really well. And then you had you had one drink. And that just made you feel like you weren't successful.
3gc
I felt like a loser
3gc
felt like a loser.
3gc
And you feel that kind of led to drinking some more. So you had a rough time with things?
5yq
Yeah, yeah.
7ack
what now
1irq
I mean, now I just kind of I don't I'm afraid to go back like I'm afraid to go out with, like some friends. They invite me out to dinner. But I know there's alcohol. And
0id
is that where you were when that first strike? was out with friends?
5yq
Yeah.
7ack
So there's a few things going on.
3gc
We've talked in the past, right about separating the behavior from the person. Right? So, behavior is what we do, not who we are. You remember those discussions? And correct me if I'm wrong with sounds like I'm using different words than you use. But it sounds like when you had that first drink, you're kind of ashamed that you had a drink and you had it during the time when you would have been working.
5yq
Yeah, that's pretty accurate.
7ack
That's pretty accurate. All right. So taking yourself kind of back to that moment. All right, we we had that first. That first drink like you finished that first drank
3gc
What was your What was your thought at that at that moment?
1irq
Just like shameful. Like I did really, really well. And then here I was. I just finished a drink and I knew I wanted another one.
0id
Okay, so shameful is kind of like the feeling. But the thought is I did really, really well. Right?
4crq
So that's what your thinking was. I did really, really well.
1irq
And what? was that the end of the thought, or was that was there more before you had that next trick?
1irq
sort of sequence would have been you had to drink. You felt shameful. At the same time you're thinking that you were doing really well. And then just really, as you said before, you just felt like a loser. And then you decided, might as well just have the second drink. So another thought might be that, like, I might just have a second drink.
5yq
Yeah,
7ack
yeah. So you can see others some thoughts and some feelings at work. right as you finish that first drink was a fairly quick, but those thoughts feelings fairly. occur fairly quickly after the drink.
4crq
so right away, you regret it and that regret As you thought about it,
4crq
don't might as well just just continue drinking now, because you kind of blew it.
6cd
I already messed up, I might as well keep going.
10od
Okay.
7ack
And that's a common cycle to fall into. And you had three weeks, we hadn't had a drink prior to that. So let's, let's look at this. Let's try to separate the behavior from the self a little bit. If you had if you had a friend who was in the same predicament, right, you had a history of using alcohol and then at three weeks, without any alcohol use, and then their behavior was to have a drink. What would you think of them?
11orq
I think that they had a rough day or something was to happen where
10od
I mean, it's just wondering,
10od
I had a rough day one drink, and what would you think of their behavior? How would you categorize that behavior?
1irq
That's just they made a mistake.
0id
So not ideal,
4crq
depending on their point of view, maybe a little irresponsible.
4crq
Yeah, I think irresponsible,
6cd
irresponsible, but you wouldn't necessarily characterize them as a bad person.
5yq
No.
9on
But their behavior was a bit of responsible.
5yq
Yeah.
9on
You know, in terms of like the recovery plan, which would be to not drink.
1irq
But when you apply that same example examination to your own situation, how do you characterize yourself after you had that first drink?
1irq
It was my mistake it was in it. It makes me a worse person for doing it.
0id
So you see how you're you're being a little bit quite a bit rougher on yourself. Like your your evaluation of yourself is, is fairly harsh. You mentioned loser earlier and ashamed.
3gc
Whereas you wouldn't necessarily evaluate someone else that way.
1irq
How would you evaluate your behavior? How would you How would you judge your behavior taking that first drink?
1irq
shameful. I mean, irresponsible, which is bad overall.
0id
So, so bad, irresponsible, shameful.
4crq
Is there a way to separate that behavior in terms of in terms of your thinking, the way you evaluate it from yourself, like are you into behavior?
1irq
together a meshed or can you be separated?
1irq
I think we could be separated But it, it feels like we're like I am that behavior
0id
in that moment. It's very congruent for you.
3gc
Yes,
7ack
the shame matches the behavior to behavior matches shame. Like it's there one at that moment. Mm hmm. But really, logically, rationally, you're you, Ryan, your identity and values and your behavior, something you do.
3gc
But in the moment, it's hard for you to see that.
3gc
Mm hmm. Looking back on it now is are you able to see the distinction between what people do and what they are?
1irq
Yeah I mean, just because you have one drink doesn't make you a horrible person and
0id
no, certainly not. And you were, you were clean for three weeks, and you had one drink. So really, your behavior was a slip.
3gc
Right It was and irresponsible in relationship to your goals, I suppose. But still a slip. And you could have stopped. But that shame got ahold of you. Right. I thought, well, now I've done it. I blew it. Yeah. So with that mentality, you kind of set yourself up for drinking more. So, I think this is important because we've seen this cycle like where you have weeks of sobriety, and then we'll drink a bit and then have weeks as writing. And I'm wondering if part of the difficulty you're facing is you're not coping with the slips as just slips
3gc
okay.
7ack
And you see how the shameful feelings kind of just interfere with the behavior that you really want that's really consistent with their goals, which would be to not continue drinking.
3gc
Another piece of this too is the association associating with friends who drink, you're putting yourself in a treacherous situation. Again, that's a behavior.
3gc
Right? That doesn't make you one way or the other. It's a behavior. How would you judge that behavior going out with friends?
1irq
risky, okay. It's a risky behavior. And what does it make you Who are you? Because you do that behavior. Like how do you feel about yourself? When you take that risky, behavior,
1irq
guilty,
0id
okay
7ack
So you have guilt when you go out with your friends. And then you have shame if you drink. And both, in this case, both emotions that kind of point you in the direction of more drinking. So part of this behavioral strategy here is to avoid the circumstances like to recognize that's a risky behavior, which you have. And the other part would be to deal more effectively if you do slip away, right. Does that does that separation of what we do and who we are? makes sense to rationally?
1irq
kind of
0id
feels a little unnatural, though.
5yq
Yeah.
7ack
Yeah.
7ack
So maybe, as you're confronting
3gc
similar situations in the course of the next week, You could be aware of behaviors that might put you at risk, and try to try to separate your identity from that behavior. So, so just judge the behavior. Okay. Right. And don't don't pass any judgment on yourself.
3gc
So that makes sense.
4crq
Kind of Yeah.
7ack
It might help you to.
10od
Since it's a little tough to because right now, the feeling and the judgment, retro twined. Right. It might help to write down when these things happen, and kind of write down like, like one row for this is how I judge this behavior. But I'm thinking about doing and this is how I judge myself. So if you see a lot of self judgment, that might be a clue that you're falling into a cycle a little bit,
10od