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It is commonly used in other countries. If any of your listeners go to Europe, one of the things they do is they take your passport at the hotel and they register it with the local police in many countries. And when you leave, they register that you've left, and of course they've got your visa entry and exit.	it is commonly. used in other countries if any of your listeners go to europe one of the things they do is they take your passport at the hotel and they register it with the local police in many countries and when you leave they register that you've left and of course they've got your visa entry and	It is commonly used in other countries If any of your listeners go. to Europe one of the things they do is, they take your passport at the hotel and they register it with the local police in many. countries. And when you leave they register that you've left and of. course they've got your visa entry and	it is commonly used in other countries. if any of your listeners go to europe, one of the things they do is they take your passport at the hotel and they register it with the local police in many countries. and when you leave, they register that you've left, and of course they've got your visa entry and exit.
We don't do that here, and that's unfortunate because it's not just a question of people overstaying their visas to take jobs in the U.S. It's more importantly a question of people overstaying their visas who might, in fact, be people who could cause security threats to the United States.	we don't do that here and that's unfortunate because it's not, just a question of people overstaying their visas to take jobs in the u.s it's more importantly a question of people overstaying their visas who might in. fact be people who could cause security threats to the united	We don't do, that here and that's unfortunate because it's not just a question of people overstaying. their visas to take jobs in the U.S It's more importantly a question of people overstaying their visas. who might, in fact be. people who could cause security threats to the United	we don't do that here, and that's unfortunate because it's not just a question of people overstaying their visas to take jobs in the u.s. it's more importantly a question of people overstaying their visas who might, in fact, be people who could cause security threats to the united states.
So we ought to be doing this in any instance. It is something that I think is technologically not that difficult to do, and this is certainly something that will have, I think, unanimous support from people in Congress.	so we ought to be doing this in any instance it. is something that i. think is technologically not that difficult to do. and this is certainly something that will have i think unanimous support from, people in	So we ought to be doing this, in any instance It is something that I think. is technologically not that difficult to do and this is certainly something that will have I think unanimous support from people in	so we ought to be doing this in any instance. it is something that i think is technologically not that difficult to do, and this is certainly something that will have, i think, unanimous support from people in congress.
This email from Andrea: I would like to comment that I rarely hear comments regarding the situation of immigrants here legally on a work visa. My husband and I have been here since 2000. He has a work visa, has to renew it every three years, where we all have to go home to do it anyway in the U.S. Embassy in London at great expense.	this email from andrea: i would like to comment that i, rarely hear. comments regarding the situation of immigrants. here legally on a work visa my husband and i have been here since 2000. he has a work visa, has. to renew it every three years. where we all have to go home to do it anyway in the u.s embassy in london at great	This email from Andrea: I would like to comment that I, rarely hear comments regarding the situation of immigrants here legally, on a work visa My husband and I have been here since 2000. He has a work visa. has, to renew it every three years where we all, have to go home to do it anyway in the U.S Embassy in London at great	this email from andrea: i would like to comment that i rarely hear comments regarding the situation of immigrants here legally on a work visa. my husband and i have been here since 2000. he has a work visa, has to renew it every three years, where we all have to go home to do it anyway in the u.s. embassy in london at great expense.
We are told by our immigration lawyer that we're on a wait list for a green card, but it has been going on for years. In this time I've not been able to work nor could my teen as only he has a legal right to work. Do we know if there's any speeding up of the process for legal immigrants waiting for green cards? We just have a few seconds left. Marshall Fitz, can you answer her question?	we. are told by our immigration lawyer that we're on, a wait list for a green card but it has been going on for; years in this time i've not been able to work nor, could my teen as only he has a legal right to work do, we know if there's any speeding up of the process for legal immigrants waiting for green cards? we just have a few seconds left marshall fitz can you answer her	We are, told by our immigration lawyer that we're on, a wait. list for a green card but it has been going on for years In this time. I've not been able, to work nor could, my teen, as only he has a legal, right to work Do we know if there's any speeding up of the process for legal; immigrants waiting for green cards? We just have a few seconds, left Marshall Fitz can you answer her	we are told by our immigration lawyer that we're on a wait list for a green card, but it has been going on for years. in this time i've not been able to work nor could my teen as only he has a legal right to work. do we know if there's any speeding up of the process for legal immigrants waiting for green cards? we just have a few seconds left. marshall fitz, can you answer her question?
Well, I think one of the things that we've been focused on in trying to reform the legal immigration system is just what's she's talking about, which is to clear some of the backlogs that have grown up around both family and employment immigration.	well i think one of the things that we've, been focused on; in trying to, reform the legal immigration system is just what's she's talking about which is to clear some of the backlogs that have grown up around both family and employment	Well I think one of the things that we've been focused on in trying to reform, the legal, immigration system. is just what's she's talking about which is to clear some of the backlogs that have grown up around both family and employment	well, i think one of the things that we've been focused on in trying to reform the legal immigration system is just what's she's talking about, which is to clear some of the backlogs that have grown up around both family and employment immigration.
And frankly, I think USCIS, which is the benefit sum of DHS, has done a good job of really trying to be more user-friendly, more customer-friendly. But they can only do so much without having some of our laws changed that allow more immigration flows to go through the current channels.	and frankly, i think uscis which is the benefit sum of dhs has done a good job of really trying to be more user-friendly more customer-friendly but they can only do so much without having some of our laws changed that allow more immigration flows to go through the current	And, frankly I, think USCIS which is the benefit, sum of DHS has done a good job of really trying to be more user-friendly more customer-friendly But they can only do so. much without having some of our laws changed that allow more immigration, flows to go. through the current	and frankly, i think uscis, which is the benefit sum of dhs, has done a good job of really trying to be more user-friendly, more customer-friendly. but they can only do so much without having some of our laws changed that allow more immigration flows to go through the current channels.
Marshall Fitz, thanks very much for your time today. Appreciate it.	marshall fitz thanks very much for your time today appreciate	Marshall Fitz thanks very much for, your time today Appreciate	marshall fitz, thanks very much for your time today. appreciate it.
Thank you.	thank	Thank	thank you.
Marshall Fitz of the Center for American Progress. Our thanks again to Linda Chavez of the Center for Equal Opportunity. We appreciate your time today.	marshall fitz of the center for american; progress. our thanks again to linda chavez of the center for equal opportunity we; appreciate your time	Marshall Fitz of the, Center for American Progress Our. thanks again to Linda Chavez of the Center for Equal Opportunity We appreciate your time	marshall fitz of the center for american progress. our thanks again to linda chavez of the center for equal opportunity. we appreciate your time today.
Great, thanks to be with you.	great thanks to be with	Great thanks to be with	great, thanks to be with you.
When we come back, we're going to continue this conversation. If you're an immigrant, we want to hear from you. As you've listened to the outlines of this plan, what's in it for you? 800-989-8255. Stay with us. TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News.	when we come back we're going to continue this conversation if you're an immigrant, we want, to hear from you as you've listened to the outlines of this plan what's in it for you? 800-989-8255. stay with us talk of the nation from npr	When we come back we're going to. continue, this conversation If you're an; immigrant we, want, to. hear from you As you've listened. to the outlines of this plan what's in it for you? 800-989-8255. Stay with us TALK OF THE NATION, from NPR	when we come back, we're going to continue this conversation. if you're an immigrant, we want to hear from you. as you've listened to the outlines of this plan, what's in it for you? 800-989-8255. stay with us. talk of the nation from npr news.
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Last hour, the members of the so-called Gang of Eight: Senators Marco Rubio, Jeff Flake, John McCain and Lindsey Graham - all Republicans - along with Senators Dick Durbin, Robert Menendez, Chuck Schumer and Michael Bennet - Democrats - presented a plan to reform immigration in the U.S.	last hour the members of the so-called gang of eight: senators marco. rubio jeff flake john. mccain and lindsey, graham, - all republicans - along with senators dick durbin robert menendez chuck schumer and michael bennet - democrats - presented a plan to reform immigration. in the	Last hour the members, of the so-called. Gang of Eight: Senators Marco Rubio, Jeff Flake, John, McCain. and Lindsey Graham - all Republicans - along with Senators Dick Durbin Robert Menendez Chuck Schumer and Michael Bennet - Democrats - presented a plan to reform immigration in the	last hour, the members of the so-called gang of eight: senators marco rubio, jeff flake, john mccain and lindsey graham - all republicans - along with senators dick durbin, robert menendez, chuck schumer and michael bennet - democrats - presented a plan to reform immigration in the u.s.
We want to hear from immigrants in our audience. From what you heard of it, what would this plan mean for you? Give us a call: 800-989-8255. Email us: [email protected]. You can also join the conversation on our website. Go to npr.org, click on TALK OF THE NATION.	we want to hear from immigrants in our audience from what you heard of it what would this, plan, mean for you? give us a call: 800-989-8255. email us: [email protected] you can also join the conversation on our website go to npr.org click on talk, of the	We want to hear from immigrants in our audience From what you heard of it what would, this plan mean, for you? Give us a call: 800-989-8255. Email us: [email protected] You can also join the conversation on our, website Go to npr.org click on TALK OF. THE	we want to hear from immigrants in our audience. from what you heard of it, what would this plan mean for you? give us a call: 800-989-8255. email us: [email protected]. you can also join the conversation on our website. go to npr.org, click on talk of the nation.
Joining us to talk about what this proposal might mean for business owners is Richard Cohen, president and owner of Richard Cohen Landscape and Construction Company in Lake Forest, California. He joins us today from a studio at KUCI in Irvine. Nice to have you with us today.	joining us to talk about what. this proposal might mean for business owners is richard cohen president and, owner, of richard cohen landscape and construction. company in lake forest california he joins us today from a studio at. kuci, in irvine nice to have you with us	Joining. us to talk about what this proposal might mean for business, owners is Richard Cohen president and owner of Richard. Cohen Landscape and Construction Company in Lake Forest California He joins us today from a studio at KUCI, in, Irvine Nice to have you with; us;	joining us to talk about what this proposal might mean for business owners is richard cohen, president and owner of richard cohen landscape and construction company in lake forest, california. he joins us today from a studio at kuci in irvine. nice to have you with us today.
Thank you for having me.	thank you for having	Thank you for having	thank you for having me.
And I understand you employ about 60 people. Of those, how many would you estimate are immigrants?	and i understand you employ about 60 people of those how many. would you estimate are	And I understand you employ about 60 people Of; those how many would you estimate are	and i understand you employ about 60 people. of those, how many would you estimate are immigrants?
Well over half. You know, probably, over three quarters of the people are immigrants.	well over, half you know probably over three quarters of the people are.	Well over half You, know probably over three quarters of the people are,	well over half. you know, probably, over three quarters of the people are immigrants.
And some here legally, some not?	and some here legally some	And some. here legally some	and some here legally, some not?
Well, I would assume so. Obviously, we have to go through certain procedures to verify them and to fill out I-9s and various other paperwork but, you know, it's hard for me to tell exactly what documents are legal and what documents are not legal.	well i would assume so obviously we have to go through certain procedures to verify them and to fill out i-9s and various other paperwork but you know it's hard for me, to tell exactly, what documents are legal, and what. documents are not	Well. I would assume so Obviously we have to go, through certain; procedures to verify them, and to fill out. I-9s and various, other paperwork but you know it's hard for me to tell. exactly what documents are legal. and what; documents are not	well, i would assume so. obviously, we have to go through certain procedures to verify them and to fill out i-9s and various other paperwork but, you know, it's hard for me to tell exactly what documents are legal and what documents are not legal.
And so this is one of those industries, landscaping, in which it is believed to be a large percentage of the workforce is - who is here - unauthorized workers.	and. so this is one of those industries landscaping in which it, is believed to be a, large percentage of the workforce is - who is here - unauthorized	And so this is one of those industries landscaping in, which it is believed to be a large percentage of the workforce, is - who is here - unauthorized	and so this is one of those industries, landscaping, in which it is believed to be a large percentage of the workforce is - who is here - unauthorized workers.
That's correct. That's correct. In fact, you know, we just cannot find Americans that want to do this kind of work. It's hard work. It's out in the hot sun. It's difficult work. It's, you know, hard on the body and stuff. But the Americans don't want to do that kind of work. Teenagers nowadays don't even want a temporary job in the summertime in our industry.	that's correct that's correct in fact you know we just cannot find americans that want to do this, kind. of work it's hard work it's out in the hot sun it's difficult work it's you. know hard on the, body and stuff but the americans don't want to do that kind. of work teenagers, nowadays don't even want a. temporary job in the summertime in our	That's correct That's correct In fact you know, we just. cannot find, Americans that want to do this kind of work It's, hard work It's out in the hot sun, It's difficult work It's. you know hard on the body and stuff, But, the. Americans don't want to do that kind of work Teenagers nowadays don't even want a temporary job in the summertime in our	that's correct. that's correct. in fact, you know, we just cannot find americans that want to do this kind of work. it's hard work. it's out in the hot sun. it's difficult work. it's, you know, hard on the body and stuff. but the americans don't want to do that kind of work. teenagers nowadays don't even want a temporary job in the summertime in our industry.
And so this is what you have to do in order to meet your contracts. And as you look at this new legislation, one of the things you're talking about is, I guess, it's a version or a beefed-up version of the E-Verify system. Employers would have to say, we, you know, checked this guy's security number, or this woman's social security number, and it worked out OK.	and so this is what you have to do in order to meet your contracts and as you look, at this new legislation one of the things you're talking about is i guess, it's a version or a beefed-up version of the e-verify system employers would have to say we you know checked this guy's security number or this woman's social security. number and it worked out	And so this is what you have to do in order to meet your contracts And as you look at, this new legislation one of the things you're talking about is I guess it's a version or a beefed-up. version of the E-Verify, system Employers would have to. say we you know checked this guy's security number or this woman's social security number and, it worked; out	and so this is what you have to do in order to meet your contracts. and as you look at this new legislation, one of the things you're talking about is, i guess, it's a version or a beefed-up version of the e-verify system. employers would have to say, we, you know, checked this guy's security number, or this woman's social security number, and it worked out ok.
Obviously, that's going to be a component of this from what we understand, but no one component can stand on its own. We really need to have the whole thing working together. That's why the talk of comprehensive immigration reform, this stuff started, you know, way back under President Bush, and it's high time that something gets done on a comprehensive basis, 'cause if all the legs of this chair don't work, the chair's going to fall over. So we really need all of these things to work to satisfy the needs of our businesses.	obviously that's going to be a component of this. from what we understand but, no one component can stand on its. own we, really need to have the whole thing working together that's why the talk of comprehensive immigration reform this stuff started you know way back under president bush and it's high time that something gets done. on a comprehensive basis 'cause if all the. legs. of this chair don't work the chair's. going to fall over so we really need all, of these things to work to satisfy the needs of our	Obviously that's going to be a component of this from what we understand but no one component can stand on its own We really need to have the whole thing working together That's why the talk, of comprehensive immigration reform, this stuff. started you know; way back; under President Bush. and it's high time that, something gets done on a comprehensive, basis 'cause if all the legs of this chair don't work the chair's going to fall. over So we really need all of these things to work to satisfy the needs of our	obviously, that's going to be a component of this from what we understand, but no one component can stand on its own. we really need to have the whole thing working together. that's why the talk of comprehensive immigration reform, this stuff started, you know, way back under president bush, and it's high time that something gets done on a comprehensive basis, 'cause if all the legs of this chair don't work, the chair's going to fall over. so we really need all of these things to work to satisfy the needs of our businesses.
Well, you know, start out, we need a reliable source of employees, and we need to have enough employees. And that varies based on the economy, based on how busy we are. So we need good employees. We need to have legal employees so that they can get driver's licenses and they can drive our trucks. They can do route work. They can, you know, they can fulfill the needs that we have as a business.	well, you know start out we need a reliable source. of employees and we need to have enough employees and that varies based on the economy based on how busy we are so we need good employees we. need to have legal employees so that they can, get driver's licenses and they can drive our trucks they can do route work they can you, know they can fulfill the needs that we have as a	Well you know start out we need a reliable source of employees and we need to have enough employees And that varies. based on the economy based on how busy we are So we need, good employees, We need to have legal employees so that they can get driver's licenses; and they can drive our. trucks They, can do route work They can you know they can fulfill the needs that we have as, a	well, you know, start out, we need a reliable source of employees, and we need to have enough employees. and that varies based on the economy, based on how busy we are. so we need good employees. we need to have legal employees so that they can get driver's licenses and they can drive our trucks. they can do route work. they can, you know, they can fulfill the needs that we have as a business.
So, you know, we need a supply of workers. We need to be able to verify that they are legal so we don't run the risk as a business of either having our workers cleaned out from us in one fell swoop of ICE or somebody like that. And then we need to know that the workers that are here have a way to become legal so that they have a future and can become an active, integral part of the American society.	so you know we need. a supply of workers we need, to be able to verify that they are legal so, we don't run the risk; as a business of either having our workers cleaned, out from us in one fell swoop of ice or somebody, like that and then we need to know that. the workers that are here have a way to become legal so that they have a future and. can become an active integral part of; the american	So you know we. need a supply of workers We need to be able to verify that they, are legal so we don't run the risk. as a business of either having our workers cleaned out from us in. one fell swoop of ICE or somebody like that And then we need to know that the workers that. are here have a way to become legal so, that they have a future and can become an active integral part of the American	so, you know, we need a supply of workers. we need to be able to verify that they are legal so we don't run the risk as a business of either having our workers cleaned out from us in one fell swoop of ice or somebody like that. and then we need to know that the workers that are here have a way to become legal so that they have a future and can become an active, integral part of the american society.
What's your turnover like?	what's your turnover	What's your turnover	what's your turnover like?
Well, actually, my turnover is very low in my business. I've been in business over 35 years, and we generally have people that have been with us for many, many years now. Sometimes, you know, the amount of work varies, and they may have to take temporary layoffs and stuff. But as soon as work picks up, we bring those same people back.	well actually my turnover is very low in my. business i've been, in business over 35 years and we, generally have people that have been with us for many many years now. sometimes you know; the amount of work, varies and they may have to take temporary layoffs and stuff; but as soon as work picks up we bring those. same people	Well actually my turnover is very low in my business I've been in business over 35 years and we generally have people that. have been with us for many many years now Sometimes you know the amount of work varies and they may have to take, temporary layoffs and stuff But as soon as. work picks up we bring those same people	well, actually, my turnover is very low in my business. i've been in business over 35 years, and we generally have people that have been with us for many, many years now. sometimes, you know, the amount of work varies, and they may have to take temporary layoffs and stuff. but as soon as work picks up, we bring those same people back.
And do you think it's fair that employers, at least under this legislation, as I understand it - again, it's not legislation yet, at least this proposal - that it's fair for employers to be required to make sure that their employees are here legally?	and do you think it's fair, that employers at least under this legislation as i understand it - again it's not legislation yet at least this proposal - that it's fair for employers to be required to make sure that their; employees are here	And do you think it's fair that employers at least under this legislation as I understand, it - again it's not legislation yet, at; least this proposal - that it's fair for employers to, be required to make sure that their employees are here	and do you think it's fair that employers, at least under this legislation, as i understand it - again, it's not legislation yet, at least this proposal - that it's fair for employers to be required to make sure that their employees are here legally?
You know, obviously, you're not going to get this thing through unless you have, you know, all the components; the securing the border, the employment verification and stuff.	you know obviously you're not going to get this thing through unless you have. you know all the components the securing the border the employment verification and	You know obviously you're, not going to get this thing through unless you have you know all the components the, securing the border the employment verification and	you know, obviously, you're not going to get this thing through unless you have, you know, all the components; the securing the border, the employment verification and stuff.
It would help a lot if they were issued cards that you could trust.	it would help a lot if they were issued cards that you could	It would help a lot; if they were issued cards that you could	it would help a lot if they were issued cards that you could trust.
Yes. I mean, that - if they were issued cards that we can trust, then I would be fine with making it my obligation to check those cards and make sure that they were legal to hire. But it doesn't do me any good if I can't get enough people to man my projects and I can't, you know, I can't help support the economy because I can't get enough workers to do the job. So we really need to get that component done too.	yes i mean that - if they were issued cards that we can trust then i. would; be fine with making it my obligation to check those cards and make sure, that they. were legal to hire but it, doesn't, do me any good if i. can't get enough people to man my, projects and i can't. you know; i can't help support the economy because i can't get enough workers to do the job so we really need to get, that component done	Yes I mean that - if they were issued cards, that we can trust then I. would be fine, with making it my. obligation. to check those cards and make, sure that they were legal, to. hire But it doesn't do me any good if I can't get enough people to man my projects and I can't you know I can't help support the economy because I can't get enough, workers to do, the job So we really need to get that component, done	yes. i mean, that - if they were issued cards that we can trust, then i would be fine with making it my obligation to check those cards and make sure that they were legal to hire. but it doesn't do me any good if i can't get enough people to man my projects and i can't, you know, i can't help support the economy because i can't get enough workers to do the job. so we really need to get that component done too.
There is one proposal, an exemption - agricultural workers, since they perform such a vital service, would have a faster track to green cards. Would you lobby to put the landscaping workers on that track too?	there is one, proposal an exemption - agricultural workers since they perform such a vital service would have a faster track to; green cards would you lobby to put the, landscaping workers on that track	There is one proposal an exemption - agricultural workers, since they perform such a vital service would have a faster. track to green cards Would, you lobby to put the landscaping workers on that track	there is one proposal, an exemption - agricultural workers, since they perform such a vital service, would have a faster track to green cards. would you lobby to put the landscaping workers on that track too?
Yeah, probably. But, you know, it's a lot more than just landscapers that need these kind of level of people here because without the what you would call undocumented workers or illegal immigrants or however you want to term them, without those people, the hotel industry, senior services, you know, like nursing homes, janitorial, hotel industry and landscaping and maintenance, all of us are on the same boat, about needing enough people to fill out our workforce and to fulfill the contracts that we have. And that's a significant amount of our economy. There's a lot of dollars involved in that. So we really need to make sure we have a source of workers.	yeah probably but you know it's, a, lot more than just landscapers that need these kind of level, of people here because without, the, what you would call undocumented workers or illegal immigrants or however you want to term them without those people the hotel industry senior services you know. like nursing homes janitorial hotel industry and; landscaping and maintenance all of us are on the same boat about needing enough people to fill out our workforce and. to fulfill the contracts that we have and that's a significant amount of, our, economy there's a lot of dollars, involved in that so we really, need to make sure we have a source of	Yeah probably But you, know it's a lot more than just landscapers, that need these kind of level of, people here because without the what you would call undocumented workers. or illegal immigrants or however you want to term them without. those people the, hotel industry senior services you. know like nursing homes janitorial hotel industry and landscaping and maintenance all, of us are, on the same boat about needing enough people to. fill; out our workforce and to fulfill; the contracts that we have And that's a significant amount of our economy There's a lot of dollars involved in that So we really need. to make sure we; have a source of	yeah, probably. but, you know, it's a lot more than just landscapers that need these kind of level of people here because without the what you would call undocumented workers or illegal immigrants or however you want to term them, without those people, the hotel industry, senior services, you know, like nursing homes, janitorial, hotel industry and landscaping and maintenance, all of us are on the same boat, about needing enough people to fill out our workforce and to fulfill the contracts that we have. and that's a significant amount of our economy. there's a lot of dollars involved in that. so we really need to make sure we have a source of workers.
So, certainty, should it arrive this year in the form a new bill, would be greatly welcomed by you.	so certainty should it arrive this year in the form a new bill would, be; greatly. welcomed by	So certainty. should it arrive this year in the form a new bill would be, greatly welcomed by	so, certainty, should it arrive this year in the form a new bill, would be greatly welcomed by you.
Absolutely. Absolutely.	absolutely,	Absolutely	absolutely. absolutely.
Richard Cohen, thanks very much for your time today. Appreciate your candor.	richard cohen thanks very much for your time today appreciate. your	Richard Cohen thanks very much, for your time today Appreciate your	richard cohen, thanks very much for your time today. appreciate your candor.
Thank you.	thank	Thank	thank you.
Richard Cohen owns a landscape and construction company in Southern California. He joined us from KUCI in Irvine. And let's see if we'd get another caller in on the conversation. Let's go to Geralda(ph). Geralda with us from Placerville in California.	richard cohen owns a landscape and construction company in southern california he joined us from kuci in irvine, and let's, see if we'd get another caller, in on the conversation let's; go to geralda(ph). geralda with us from placerville in	Richard Cohen owns a landscape and construction company in Southern California He joined us. from KUCI, in Irvine And let's see if we'd get another caller in on the conversation Let's go to Geralda(ph). Geralda with us. from Placerville in	richard cohen owns a landscape and construction company in southern california. he joined us from kuci in irvine. and let's see if we'd get another caller in on the conversation. let's go to geralda(ph). geralda with us from placerville in california.