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And we'll get to what we know about the details in a moment. But Mara, it was just a little over a year ago that Congress failed to pass the DREAM Act, which would be one of the lesser controversial, least controversial elements of this new bill. What's changed between now and then? | and we'll get to, what we know about the details in a, moment but mara it was, just a little over a, year ago that congress failed to pass the dream act which would be one of; the lesser controversial least controversial elements of this new bill what's changed between now and | And we'll get, to what we know about the details in a moment But Mara it was just a little. over a year. ago that Congress failed to pass the DREAM Act which would be one of the lesser controversial least controversial elements of this new bill What's changed between now and | and we'll get to what we know about the details in a moment. but mara, it was just a little over a year ago that congress failed to pass the dream act, which would be one of the lesser controversial, least controversial elements of this new bill. what's changed between now and then? |
Well, we had an election, and President Obama won 71 percent of the Hispanic vote, which is one of the fastest growing groups in the electorate. And Mitt Romney did as badly among Hispanics as any other Republican candidate has ever done. He only got 27 percent. That's what changed. | well we had an election and president obama won 71 percent of the hispanic vote which. is one of the fastest growing groups in the electorate and mitt romney did as badly among hispanics as any other republican candidate has ever done he only got 27 percent that's what | Well we had an election. and President Obama won 71 percent of the Hispanic vote which is one of the. fastest growing groups in the electorate And Mitt Romney did as badly among Hispanics as, any other Republican. candidate has ever. done He only got 27 percent That's what | well, we had an election, and president obama won 71 percent of the hispanic vote, which is one of the fastest growing groups in the electorate. and mitt romney did as badly among hispanics as any other republican candidate has ever done. he only got 27 percent. that's what changed. |
So the calculus has changed primarily for Republicans? | so the calculus has changed primarily, for | So the calculus has changed primarily for | so the calculus has changed primarily for republicans? |
Primarily for Republicans. That's why Chuck Schumer said today, as you heard him say, you know, for the first time ever there's more risk in opposing this than supporting it. It's true that in the House of Representatives there's a slightly different calculus because more than 70 percent of House Republican districts have 10 percent or fewer Latinos of voting age. | primarily for republicans that's why chuck schumer said today as you heard him say you know for the first time ever there's more risk, in opposing this than supporting it it's true that in the house. of representatives there's a slightly, different calculus; because; more than 70 percent of house republican districts have 10 percent, or fewer latinos of voting | Primarily, for Republicans That's. why Chuck Schumer said today as you heard him say you know for the first time ever there's more risk in opposing this than supporting it It's true that in the House. of Representatives there's. a, slightly different calculus because more than 70 percent of House Republican districts have 10 percent or fewer Latinos of voting | primarily for republicans. that's why chuck schumer said today, as you heard him say, you know, for the first time ever there's more risk in opposing this than supporting it. it's true that in the house of representatives there's a slightly different calculus because more than 70 percent of house republican districts have 10 percent or fewer latinos of voting age. |
So they live in a slightly different universe, where they don't have the same pressures on them as national Republican leaders, who understand they can't win presidential elections if they don't do better with Hispanic voters. But the stars have aligned on this, and you saw that. It was an extraordinary spectacle to have a group of eight senators, four Republicans and four Democrats, coming together on an issue that's been so contentious in the past. | so they live in a slightly, different universe, where they don't have the same pressures on them as national republican leaders who understand they can't, win presidential elections if they don't do better with. hispanic voters but the stars have aligned on this and you saw that it was an extraordinary spectacle; to have, a group of. eight senators four republicans and four democrats coming together on an issue that's been so contentious in the | So they live in a slightly different universe where they don't have the same. pressures, on them as national Republican leaders who understand they can't win presidential elections if they don't do better, with Hispanic voters But the. stars have aligned on this. and you saw that It was an. extraordinary spectacle to have a, group of eight senators. four Republicans and four Democrats coming together on an issue that's been so contentious, in, the | so they live in a slightly different universe, where they don't have the same pressures on them as national republican leaders, who understand they can't win presidential elections if they don't do better with hispanic voters. but the stars have aligned on this, and you saw that. it was an extraordinary spectacle to have a group of eight senators, four republicans and four democrats, coming together on an issue that's been so contentious in the past. |
And if the Democratic Caucus holds together in the U.S. Senate - always a question - but nevertheless if it does, you don't need that many Republicans to get something passed. | and. if, the democratic caucus holds together in the u.s senate - always a question - but nevertheless if it does you don't need, that many republicans to get something | And if the Democratic Caucus holds together in the U.S Senate - always a question - but nevertheless if it does you don't need, that many Republicans to get something. | and if the democratic caucus holds together in the u.s. senate - always a question - but nevertheless if it does, you don't need that many republicans to get something passed. |
No, but Chuck Schumer made it pretty clear he wants this to be a big bipartisan vote with overwhelming - he said we want to see it pass in an overwhelming and bipartisan fashion, and I think it will. Republicans are basically suing for peace on this issue. | no but; chuck schumer made it pretty clear he wants this to. be a big bipartisan vote with overwhelming - he said we want to see it pass in an overwhelming and bipartisan fashion and i think it will republicans are basically suing for peace on this | No but Chuck Schumer made it pretty clear; he wants this. to be a big bipartisan, vote with overwhelming - he said; we want to see it pass in an overwhelming and bipartisan fashion and I think it will Republicans are basically suing for peace on this | no, but chuck schumer made it pretty clear he wants this to be a big bipartisan vote with overwhelming - he said we want to see it pass in an overwhelming and bipartisan fashion, and i think it will. republicans are basically suing for peace on this issue. |
And what he said is that Americans are opposed to illegal immigration, but they support legal immigration. So let's fix this system so people aren't here illegally, we have a way to get the workers we need, immigrant workers that we need, and find a path to legalization and eventual citizenship that he called tough but fair for the undocumented workers who are here. | and what; he said is that americans are opposed to illegal immigration but they support legal immigration so let's fix this system so people aren't here illegally we have a way to get, the workers we need immigrant workers that we need and find a path to legalization and eventual citizenship that he called, tough but fair for the undocumented workers who are | And what he said is that Americans are opposed, to illegal immigration but they support legal immigration So let's fix this system so, people aren't here illegally we have a way to get the. workers we need immigrant workers that, we need and find a path to legalization and. eventual citizenship that he called tough but fair, for the. undocumented workers who are | and what he said is that americans are opposed to illegal immigration, but they support legal immigration. so let's fix this system so people aren't here illegally, we have a way to get the workers we need, immigrant workers that we need, and find a path to legalization and eventual citizenship that he called tough but fair for the undocumented workers who are here. |
And the major hurdle that will have to be overcome, and we've heard this word already, is this path to citizenship, and critics will call that amnesty. | and the major hurdle that. will have to. be overcome and we've heard this word already. is this path to citizenship and critics will call that | And, the major hurdle that will have to. be overcome and we've heard this word already is. this path to citizenship and critics will call. that. | and the major hurdle that will have to be overcome, and we've heard this word already, is this path to citizenship, and critics will call that amnesty. |
Right, but in the new formulation of the Republican Party, and Marco Rubio has used this, and John McCain used it today, he says we already have de facto amnesty because these people are not going to be deported. They're here in America, nobody's going to do anything about them. They're not going to self-deport, as Mitt Romney infamously suggested during the campaign. | right but, in the new formulation of the republican, party and marco, rubio has used this and john mccain used it today he says we already have. de facto amnesty. because these people are not going to be deported they're here in america nobody's going to do anything about them they're not going to self-deport as mitt romney infamously suggested. during the | Right but in the new formulation of the Republican Party and. Marco Rubio has used this and John McCain used it today he says we already have de facto; amnesty because these people are not going to be deported. They're here in America nobody's going, to do anything about them They're not going to self-deport as Mitt Romney infamously; suggested during. the, | right, but in the new formulation of the republican party, and marco rubio has used this, and john mccain used it today, he says we already have de facto amnesty because these people are not going to be deported. they're here in america, nobody's going to do anything about them. they're not going to self-deport, as mitt romney infamously suggested during the campaign. |
So we already have amnesty, meaning they're here, you know, in violation of the law. So let's, you know, rationalize the system so that they are here legally. And it's going to take a long time. They're going to have to learn English and pay back-taxes and perhaps pay a fine, and it's contingent on the border being secure. | so we already have amnesty meaning. they're here you know in violation of the; law so let's you know rationalize the system so that they are here, legally and it's going to take a long time they're going to have to learn, english and pay back-taxes and, perhaps pay a fine and it's contingent on the border. being | So we already, have amnesty meaning they're here you know in violation of the law. So let's. you know rationalize the system so, that they are here legally And it's going to take a long time They're going to have to learn English and pay back-taxes, and perhaps pay a, fine and it's contingent on the border being | so we already have amnesty, meaning they're here, you know, in violation of the law. so let's, you know, rationalize the system so that they are here legally. and it's going to take a long time. they're going to have to learn english and pay back-taxes and perhaps pay a fine, and it's contingent on the border being secure. |
Contingent on the border being secure. Now, there's been a sharp reduction in the number of people coming into the country. Partly that's better border control, but partly that's the economy too. | contingent on, the border being secure. now there's been a sharp reduction in the number of people coming, into the country partly that's, better border. control but partly that's the, economy | Contingent on, the border being secure Now there's been a sharp reduction in the number. of people coming into the country Partly that's better border control but partly that's, the economy | contingent on the border being secure. now, there's been a sharp reduction in the number of people coming into the country. partly that's better border control, but partly that's the economy too. |
Right. | right. |
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Nevertheless, how are they going to certify... | nevertheless how are they going, to | Nevertheless how are they going to | nevertheless, how are they going to certify... |
Well, we don't know the details of that yet. We have to figure out how does the border get certified secure. We don't know exactly how the employment verification system is going to work. | well we don't know the details of that yet we have to figure out how, does the border get certified secure we don't know exactly how the employment verification, system is going to | Well we don't know the details of that, yet We have to figure out how does the border get certified secure We. don't know exactly how, the employment verification system is going to | well, we don't know the details of that yet. we have to figure out how does the border get certified secure. we don't know exactly how the employment verification system is going to work. |
That would require employers to use something like E-Verify. | that; would require employers to use something like | That would require. employers to use something like | that would require employers to use something like e-verify. |
Something like E-Verify. And how would the legal immigration system work? In other words, business are clamoring for more high-skilled workers. There are a lot of details left to be sketched out and determined. However, the basic principles have been laid down, and I think you're going to hear the president tomorrow in Nevada lay out principles that, as the White House says, mirror the principles of the bipartisan Senate group. | something, like e-verify and. how would the legal immigration system work? in other words business are clamoring for more, high-skilled workers, there are, a lot of details left to be sketched out; and determined however the basic principles. have been laid, down and i think you're. going to hear the; president tomorrow. in nevada lay out principles that as the white house says mirror the principles of the bipartisan senate | Something like E-Verify And how would the legal immigration system work? In other words business are clamoring for more high-skilled workers There are a lot of, details left to be. sketched. out and determined However the basic principles have been laid down, and I think you're going to hear the president tomorrow in Nevada lay out principles that as the White House says mirror the principles of the. bipartisan Senate | something like e-verify. and how would the legal immigration system work? in other words, business are clamoring for more high-skilled workers. there are a lot of details left to be sketched out and determined. however, the basic principles have been laid down, and i think you're going to hear the president tomorrow in nevada lay out principles that, as the white house says, mirror the principles of the bipartisan senate group. |
So the principles are there. They have to work out the details, but I don't see any one of these issues being a big stumbling block. | so the principles are. there they have to work out the details but i don't see any one of these issues being a big stumbling | So the principles are there They have. to work out the details but I, don't see, any one of these issues being. a, big stumbling | so the principles are there. they have to work out the details, but i don't see any one of these issues being a big stumbling block. |
One of the areas that - there would be two areas of exemption, as laid out in the proposals. That would include first those who would have qualified under the DREAM Act; those would be people who came into this country as minors. They didn't do this voluntarily, it says. | one of, the areas that - there would be two areas, of exemption, as laid out in the proposals that would include first, those who would. have qualified. under the dream act those would be people who came into this country as minors they didn't do this voluntarily it | One. of the areas that - there would. be two areas of exemption as laid. out in the proposals That would include first those who would have qualified under the DREAM Act those would be people who came into this country as minors They didn't do this voluntarily it | one of the areas that - there would be two areas of exemption, as laid out in the proposals. that would include first those who would have qualified under the dream act; those would be people who came into this country as minors. they didn't do this voluntarily, it says. |
No, they - agricultural workers and young people brought here illegally as children will be on a faster path to citizenship. | no they - agricultural workers and young people brought here illegally as children will be on a faster path to | No. they - agricultural workers and young people brought here illegally as, children will be on a faster path to | no, they - agricultural workers and young people brought here illegally as children will be on a faster path to citizenship. |
So any change that's made there, is that passed on to the next generation? | so any change that's made there is that passed on to the next | So any change that's made there is that passed on to the next | so any change that's made there, is that passed on to the next generation? |
Right, the idea is to figure out what kinds of workers America needs and make it easy for them to get here. You know, it's very, very hard. You know, one of the common refrains you hear from business leaders and Republicans is that when you get a Ph.D. here in America, if you're from abroad, you should have a green card stapled to your diploma. | right the idea is to figure out what kinds, of, workers america needs and make it easy for them to get here you know. it's very very hard you know. one of, the common refrains you, hear from business leaders, and republicans is that when you, get a, ph.d here in america if you're, from abroad you should have a green card stapled to your | Right the idea, is to figure; out what kinds of workers America needs and make. it easy, for them to get here You know it's very very hard You know one. of the common refrains you hear from, business leaders, and Republicans is that when you get a Ph.D here in America if you're from abroad you should have, a green card stapled to your | right, the idea is to figure out what kinds of workers america needs and make it easy for them to get here. you know, it's very, very hard. you know, one of the common refrains you hear from business leaders and republicans is that when you get a ph.d. here in america, if you're from abroad, you should have a green card stapled to your diploma. |
And it's interesting, as this proposal comes out, you read the bipartisan framework that's emerged over the weekend. Even the language is significant. It speaks sometimes of those who are here illegally. It also speaks sometimes of those who are unauthorized presence in the United States. Boy, that's a change in terminology. | and; it's interesting as this proposal comes out you read the bipartisan framework that's emerged over the weekend even the language is significant it speaks sometimes of those who are here illegally it also speaks sometimes of those who are. unauthorized presence in the united states boy that's a change in | And it's interesting as this proposal comes out you read the bipartisan, framework, that's emerged over the, weekend; Even the language, is significant It speaks, sometimes of those who are here illegally It also speaks sometimes of those, who are unauthorized presence in the United States. Boy that's. a change in | and it's interesting, as this proposal comes out, you read the bipartisan framework that's emerged over the weekend. even the language is significant. it speaks sometimes of those who are here illegally. it also speaks sometimes of those who are unauthorized presence in the united states. boy, that's a change in terminology. |
Yes, it is, and I think you're going to hear more about undocumented workers, unauthorized workers, than you are going to hear about illegal aliens. | yes it. is and i think you're going to hear more, about undocumented workers unauthorized workers. than you. are going to, hear. about illegal | Yes it is and I think, you're going to hear more about. undocumented workers unauthorized workers than you are, going to; hear about, illegal | yes, it is, and i think you're going to hear more about undocumented workers, unauthorized workers, than you are going to hear about illegal aliens. |
And so the problems there are going to be to get this through on a big bipartisan bill, we heard Senator Schumer say coming out of this that he hoped that there would be a markup sometime in March or early spring and then on to passage late spring, early summer. | and so the problems there are going, to, be to get this through on a big bipartisan bill we heard senator schumer say coming out of this that he hoped that there would be a markup, sometime in march. or early spring and then on to passage late spring early | And so the problems there are going to be. to, get this through on a big bipartisan bill we heard Senator Schumer say coming out of this that he hoped that there would be a markup sometime in March or early spring and then on to passage late spring early | and so the problems there are going to be to get this through on a big bipartisan bill, we heard senator schumer say coming out of this that he hoped that there would be a markup sometime in march or early spring and then on to passage late spring, early summer. |
Yes, which is very fast-tracked. And then of course the House would have to pass it. But I think it will get done this year. And it is really extraordinary. I mean this is a huge, contentious issue, and we have bipartisan compromise right at the beginning. And the president's on board, Republican leaders are on board. Even John Boehner in the House, where there's much less support for this, says that we are going to do this, something this year, and he says that there's work on a bipartisan basis occurring in the House as well. | yes which is very fast-tracked, and then of. course the house would have to pass it but i think it. will get done this year, and it is really extraordinary i mean this is a huge contentious issue and we have bipartisan compromise right at the beginning and the president's on board republican leaders are on board even, john boehner in the house where there's much less support for this says that we are going to; do this something this year and he says that there's work on a bipartisan basis occurring in the house as; | Yes which is very fast-tracked And then of course the House would have to pass it But I think. it will get, done this. year And it is really extraordinary I mean this is a huge contentious issue and we have bipartisan compromise right at the beginning And. the president's on board Republican leaders are on board Even John Boehner, in the House where there's much less support for this, says that we are going to do; this something this year and he says that there's work on a bipartisan basis occurring in the House as | yes, which is very fast-tracked. and then of course the house would have to pass it. but i think it will get done this year. and it is really extraordinary. i mean this is a huge, contentious issue, and we have bipartisan compromise right at the beginning. and the president's on board, republican leaders are on board. even john boehner in the house, where there's much less support for this, says that we are going to do this, something this year, and he says that there's work on a bipartisan basis occurring in the house as well. |
If they get this, will it help them get other big bipartisan compromises on other issues? I don't know. We don't want to get ahead of ourselves here. | if they, get this will it help them get other big bipartisan compromises on other issues? i don't know we don't want to get ahead of ourselves | If they get this will it help them get other big bipartisan compromises on other issues? I don't know We don't want to get ahead of ourselves | if they get this, will it help them get other big bipartisan compromises on other issues? i don't know. we don't want to get ahead of ourselves here. |
We don't want to have to declare that peace has broken out here in Washington, D.C. | we don't, want to have to declare that peace has broken out here in washington | We don't want to, have to declare that peace has, broken out here in Washington | we don't want to have to declare that peace has broken out here in washington, d.c. |
Yes, that's right. That would be imprudent. | yes; that's right that would be | Yes that's right. That would be | yes, that's right. that would be imprudent. |
That would be imprudent. But is - just one element of rivalry, the Senate somehow seems to be the engine of legislation just at the moment. | that would be imprudent. but is, - just one element of rivalry the. senate somehow seems to be the engine of legislation just at the | That would. be imprudent But is - just one element of rivalry the Senate somehow seems; to be the, engine of legislation just at the | that would be imprudent. but is - just one element of rivalry, the senate somehow seems to be the engine of legislation just at the moment. |
Well, yes, that's because it has - it's more evenly divided, and it's subject to different kinds of political pressures than the House. The House Republican Conference lives in a different universe. They have districts that are very safe. The only thing most Republicans in the House have to worry about is a primary challenge, not a general election challenge. | well yes that's because it has - it's more, evenly. divided and it's subject to different kinds of political pressures than the house, the house republican conference lives, in a different universe they have districts that are very safe the only thing most republicans in the house; have to worry about is a, primary; challenge not a general election | Well, yes that's because; it has - it's more evenly divided and it's subject to different kinds of political pressures than the House The House Republican Conference; lives in a different universe, They have districts that are very safe The only thing most Republicans in the House have to worry, about is a primary challenge not a general, election | well, yes, that's because it has - it's more evenly divided, and it's subject to different kinds of political pressures than the house. the house republican conference lives in a different universe. they have districts that are very safe. the only thing most republicans in the house have to worry about is a primary challenge, not a general election challenge. |
And you know, very, very few of them represent districts where President Obama won. So it's just - they operate under different pressures, and that's why you see the Senate taking the initiative on these issues. | and you know very very few of them, represent districts where president obama won so. it's just - they. operate under different pressures, and that's why you see the senate taking the initiative on these | And you know very very. few of them represent, districts. where President Obama won So it's just - they operate under different pressures and that's why you see the Senate taking the, initiative on these | and you know, very, very few of them represent districts where president obama won. so it's just - they operate under different pressures, and that's why you see the senate taking the initiative on these issues. |
In the past there have been, well, at least some members of the Tea Party who have reacted viscerally against this legislation. | in the past there have been well. at least some members of. the tea party. who. have reacted viscerally against this | In the past there; have been well at least some members of the Tea Party; who have reacted viscerally against this | in the past there have been, well, at least some members of the tea party who have reacted viscerally against this legislation. |
Oh, and I think there will be today. There will be people who react viscerally against this legislation. The question is how many are there, and will they be able to stop it. Don't forget in the past George W. Bush tried something very similar to this, and his own party rebelled against him, and he couldn't pass it. | oh and i think there will be. today there will be people who. react viscerally against this legislation the question is how many are there and will they be able to stop it don't forget in the past george w bush tried something very similar to this and his own party rebelled against him. and he couldn't pass | Oh. and, I think there will be today There, will be people who react viscerally against; this legislation The question is how many are there and will they be able to stop it Don't forget in the past George W; Bush tried something very similar to. this and his own party rebelled against him and he couldn't pass | oh, and i think there will be today. there will be people who react viscerally against this legislation. the question is how many are there, and will they be able to stop it. don't forget in the past george w. bush tried something very similar to this, and his own party rebelled against him, and he couldn't pass it. |
But it's interesting, you saw the evolution of John McCain, who in that George Bush proposal was one of its sponsors, then ran for re-election, a challenge from the right, as somebody who promised that there would be no amnesty, and now has come around again. | but it's interesting, you; saw the evolution, of john mccain who in that george bush. proposal was one of its sponsors then ran for re-election. a challenge from the. right as somebody who promised that there would be no amnesty and now has come around | But it's interesting you saw the evolution of John McCain who; in that George Bush proposal was one of, its sponsors then ran for re-election a challenge from the right as somebody who promised that there would be no. amnesty and now has come around | but it's interesting, you saw the evolution of john mccain, who in that george bush proposal was one of its sponsors, then ran for re-election, a challenge from the right, as somebody who promised that there would be no amnesty, and now has come around again. |
Right, but I don't think he would call this amnesty. John McCain has really been for this all along, and he did - he lives in the modern Republican Party, and when he was running for president, and he had to go through a primary, he had to deal with those pressures. | right but i don't think he would call this amnesty john mccain has really been, for this all along and; he did - he. lives in the modern republican party and when he was running for president and he had, to go through a primary he had to deal, with those | Right but I don't think he would call this, amnesty. John McCain has. really been for this all along and he did - he, lives in the modern Republican Party and when he was running; for president and he had to go through a primary he had to deal with those | right, but i don't think he would call this amnesty. john mccain has really been for this all along, and he did - he lives in the modern republican party, and when he was running for president, and he had to go through a primary, he had to deal with those pressures. |
But he's never not been for some kind of immigration reform. He, like everybody else, said that they aren't for amnesty, and depending on how you define it, I guess nobody is. | but he's never not, been; for some kind of immigration reform he like everybody else said that they aren't for amnesty and depending on how you define it i guess nobody | But he's never not been for some kind of immigration reform, He like everybody else, said that they aren't for amnesty and, depending on how you define it I guess nobody | but he's never not been for some kind of immigration reform. he, like everybody else, said that they aren't for amnesty, and depending on how you define it, i guess nobody is. |
Yeah, he ran a bunch of television ads during that primary and then during the general election, very tough on border control. | yeah, he ran a bunch of television ads during that primary and then during the general election very tough on. border | Yeah he ran a, bunch of television ads during that primary and then during the general election very tough on border | yeah, he ran a bunch of television ads during that primary and then during the general election, very tough on border control. |
Right, and I think he would say he's still tough on border control, and so would Chuck Schumer. They are promising to secure the border and verify it, or certify it, before the path to citizenship gets triggered. | right and, i, think he would say he's still tough; on border control and so would chuck, schumer they are promising to secure the border and verify it or. certify it before the path to citizenship gets | Right, and I. think he would, say he's still tough on border control and so would Chuck Schumer They are promising to secure. the border and verify it or certify it before the path to citizenship gets | right, and i think he would say he's still tough on border control, and so would chuck schumer. they are promising to secure the border and verify it, or certify it, before the path to citizenship gets triggered. |
One element of this would also be a commission to I guess conduct that verification. It would include who? | one element of this would also be a commission to i guess, conduct that verification it would include | One element of this would also be a commission to I guess conduct that verification It would include. | one element of this would also be a commission to i guess conduct that verification. it would include who? |
Well, that's a good question. We don't know exactly who it would include and how it would work. But yes, how do you certify the border? There's no doubt that border crossings are down now. What happens when the economy takes off and that becomes a more appealing magnet for people to leave their countries and come here in search of work? | well that's a good question we don't know exactly who. it would include and how it would work but yes how do you certify the border? there's no doubt that. border crossings are down now what happens when. the economy takes off and that. becomes a more appealing magnet for people to leave their, countries. and come here in search of | Well that's a good question We. don't know exactly who it would include. and how it would work But yes how do you certify the border? There's no doubt that border crossings are down now What happens when the economy takes, off and that; becomes a more appealing magnet for people to leave their countries. and come here in search of | well, that's a good question. we don't know exactly who it would include and how it would work. but yes, how do you certify the border? there's no doubt that border crossings are down now. what happens when the economy takes off and that becomes a more appealing magnet for people to leave their countries and come here in search of work? |
So there are a lot of things we don't know yet, but the principles have been laid down, and at least for the moment we are not hearing much opposition to this. | so there are a lot of things we don't know yet but the principles have been laid down and at least for the moment; we are not hearing much opposition to | So there, are a lot of things we don't know yet but the principles have been laid, down, and at least for the moment we are not hearing much opposition to | so there are a lot of things we don't know yet, but the principles have been laid down, and at least for the moment we are not hearing much opposition to this. |
Mara Liasson, NPR's national political correspondent, with us from the White House. And we will await the president's proposals when we hear them from Las Vegas tomorrow. Thanks very much for your time. | mara liasson npr's national political correspondent. with us from the white. house and we will await the president's proposals when we hear them from las vegas tomorrow thanks, very much for your | Mara Liasson NPR's national political, correspondent with us from the White House And we will. await the president's proposals when we hear them from Las Vegas tomorrow Thanks very much for your | mara liasson, npr's national political correspondent, with us from the white house. and we will await the president's proposals when we hear them from las vegas tomorrow. thanks very much for your time. |
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We're talking about the bipartisan plan for immigration reform presented today. If you're an immigrant, call and tell us what's in this plan for you, 800-989-8255. Email us, [email protected]. We'll have more after a short break. Stay with us. I'm Neal Conan. It's the TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | we're talking about the bipartisan plan, for immigration, reform, presented today if. you're an immigrant call and tell us what's in this plan for you 800-989-8255. email us [email protected] we'll, have more after a. short break stay with us i'm neal conan it's the talk, of the nation from npr | We're talking about the bipartisan plan for immigration reform, presented, today If you're, an immigrant call and tell us what's in this plan for you 800-989-8255. Email us [email protected] We'll have. more after a short break Stay with. us. I'm Neal Conan It's the TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | we're talking about the bipartisan plan for immigration reform presented today. if you're an immigrant, call and tell us what's in this plan for you, 800-989-8255. email us, [email protected]. we'll have more after a short break. stay with us. i'm neal conan. it's the talk of the nation from npr news. |
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This is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. I'm Neal Conan. Less than an hour ago, senators from a bipartisan gang of eight presented their plan for immigration reform in the U.S. Aspects of the proposal leaked before the announcement, and several officials have already responded. | this is talk of the nation from, npr news i'm neal conan less than an hour ago senators. from. a; bipartisan gang of eight. presented their. plan, for immigration reform in the u.s aspects of. the proposal leaked before the announcement and several officials have already | This is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News I'm. Neal Conan, Less than an hour ago senators from a bipartisan gang; of, eight presented. their plan for immigration reform in the U.S Aspects of the proposal leaked before the, announcement and several officials have already | this is talk of the nation from npr news. i'm neal conan. less than an hour ago, senators from a bipartisan gang of eight presented their plan for immigration reform in the u.s. aspects of the proposal leaked before the announcement, and several officials have already responded. |
At today's White House news briefing, Secretary Jay Carney said President Obama welcomes movement and progress on the issue and will travel to Nevada tomorrow to continue a conversation with the American people on the importance of moving forward with comprehensive reform. | at today's white house news, briefing. secretary jay, carney said president obama welcomes movement and progress on, the issue and will travel, to, nevada tomorrow to, continue a conversation with the american people on the importance of moving forward with comprehensive | At today's White House news briefing Secretary Jay Carney said President. Obama. welcomes movement and. progress on the issue and will travel to Nevada tomorrow to continue a conversation with the American people on the importance of moving forward with comprehensive | at today's white house news briefing, secretary jay carney said president obama welcomes movement and progress on the issue and will travel to nevada tomorrow to continue a conversation with the american people on the importance of moving forward with comprehensive reform. |
Two members of the House, where the proposal is expected to face some opposition, spoke with CNN about the plan. Luis Gutierrez, Democrat from Illinois, identified the proposals on a path to citizenship as the biggest challenge for passage but did not see it as insurmountable. And Mario Diaz-Balart, the Republican from Florida, was similarly optimistic, saying the devil's in the details, but we've dealt with that devil. Now it's an issue of just filing legislation. | two, members of, the house where the proposal is expected to. face some opposition spoke with cnn about, the plan luis gutierrez democrat from illinois identified the proposals on a path to citizenship as the biggest challenge for passage but did not. see it as insurmountable and mario diaz-balart the republican from florida was similarly; optimistic saying the devil's in the details but we've dealt with that devil now. it's an issue of just filing | Two members of the House where the proposal is expected to face. some opposition spoke with CNN about the plan Luis Gutierrez Democrat from Illinois identified the proposals on a path to citizenship as the biggest challenge for passage. but, did not see it. as insurmountable And Mario, Diaz-Balart the Republican from Florida was similarly optimistic saying the devil's in the; details but we've, dealt with that devil Now it's an issue of just filing, | two members of the house, where the proposal is expected to face some opposition, spoke with cnn about the plan. luis gutierrez, democrat from illinois, identified the proposals on a path to citizenship as the biggest challenge for passage but did not see it as insurmountable. and mario diaz-balart, the republican from florida, was similarly optimistic, saying the devil's in the details, but we've dealt with that devil. now it's an issue of just filing legislation. |
So if you're an immigrant, call, tell us: What's in this plan for you? 800-989-8255. Email us, [email protected]. You can also join the conversation on our website. That's at npr.org. Click on TALK OF THE NATION. Joining us now is Linda Chavez of the Center for Equal Opportunity and Marshall Fitz of the Center for American Progress. Thank you both very much for being with us today. | so if you're an immigrant call tell us: what's in this plan, for, you? 800-989-8255. email us [email protected], you can also join the conversation on our website, that's at npr.org click on talk of the nation joining us now is linda chavez of the center for equal opportunity and marshall, fitz of the center for american progress thank you both very much for being with us, | So if you're an immigrant call tell us: What's in, this plan for you? 800-989-8255. Email us [email protected] You can also join, the conversation on our website That's at npr.org Click on. TALK OF THE NATION Joining us now is Linda Chavez of the Center for Equal Opportunity and Marshall Fitz of the Center for American Progress Thank you both very much for being with us | so if you're an immigrant, call, tell us: what's in this plan for you? 800-989-8255. email us, [email protected]. you can also join the conversation on our website. that's at npr.org. click on talk of the nation. joining us now is linda chavez of the center for equal opportunity and marshall fitz of the center for american progress. thank you both very much for being with us today. |
It's great to be with you. | it's great to be with | It's great to be with | it's great to be with you. |
Thanks for having us, Neal. | thanks for having us | Thanks for, having us | thanks for having us, neal. |
And Linda Chavez, let me start with you. As Mara Liasson outlined earlier, maybe this proposal does stand a very good chance in the United States. Does it get out of the House? | and, linda chavez let me start with you as mara liasson outlined earlier maybe this proposal does stand a very good chance in the united states does, it. get; out of the | And Linda Chavez let me start with you As, Mara, Liasson outlined earlier maybe this proposal does stand a very good chance in the, United States Does it get out; of the | and linda chavez, let me start with you. as mara liasson outlined earlier, maybe this proposal does stand a very good chance in the united states. does it get out of the house? |
Well, I think it's going to be a lot of tough negotiation, and of course I think the biggest problem is that many of the Republican members, particularly the new Tea Party members, get a lot of pressure from their constituents. The anti-immigration movement has been quite effective. Some of the organizations, like the Federation for American Immigration Reform, have been very active in - particularly in primaries. | well i think it's going to be a lot of tough. negotiation and of course i think the biggest problem is that many of the republican members particularly the new tea party, members get a lot, of pressure from their constituents the anti-immigration movement has been quite effective some of the organizations like the federation for american immigration reform have been very active in - particularly in | Well I think it's going to be, a lot of tough negotiation and of course I think the biggest problem is that many of the Republican members particularly the new Tea Party members get a lot of pressure from their constituents The anti-immigration movement. has been quite effective Some of the organizations like the Federation for American Immigration Reform have been. very active in - particularly in | well, i think it's going to be a lot of tough negotiation, and of course i think the biggest problem is that many of the republican members, particularly the new tea party members, get a lot of pressure from their constituents. the anti-immigration movement has been quite effective. some of the organizations, like the federation for american immigration reform, have been very active in - particularly in primaries. |
They've helped defeat some pro-immigration Republicans. So it's going to be a challenge, and this bill, which I think actually is a very sensible one, looks a lot like what President Bush tried to pass in 2007. There are some modifications, but we're back in some ways where we were. The big difference is that we've had an election, and one could make a good argument that the decline in the number of Hispanics voting for Republicans, particularly for the presidential race, helped defeat the Republicans this time around. | they've helped defeat some pro-immigration, republicans so it's going to be a challenge. and this bill which i think actually is a very sensible one looks a lot like what president bush tried to pass in 2007. there are some modifications but we're. back in, some ways where we were; the big difference is that we've had an election and one, could make a good argument that, the decline in the number of hispanics voting for republicans, particularly for the presidential race helped defeat the republicans this time | They've helped defeat some pro-immigration, Republicans So it's going to be a, challenge and this bill, which I think actually is a very, sensible one looks a lot like what President Bush tried to; pass in 2007. There are some modifications but we're back; in some ways where we. were The big difference is, that we've had an; election and one. could make a good argument that the decline. in the, number of Hispanics voting, for Republicans particularly for the presidential race helped defeat the Republicans this, time | they've helped defeat some pro-immigration republicans. so it's going to be a challenge, and this bill, which i think actually is a very sensible one, looks a lot like what president bush tried to pass in 2007. there are some modifications, but we're back in some ways where we were. the big difference is that we've had an election, and one could make a good argument that the decline in the number of hispanics voting for republicans, particularly for the presidential race, helped defeat the republicans this time around. |
Marshall Fitz, is this back on that path? | marshall fitz is this back on that | Marshall Fitz is this back on that | marshall fitz, is this back on that path? |
Back on the path to...? | back on the path | Back on the. path | back on the path to...? |
To a comprehensive reform like the Bush administration reform, what, almost six years ago now? | to a comprehensive reform like the bush administration reform what almost six years ago | To a comprehensive reform like the Bush administration reform what almost six years ago | to a comprehensive reform like the bush administration reform, what, almost six years ago now? |
Yeah, it is about six years ago, but my, the landscape has changed, both the political and policy landscape, as Linda said and as Mara was reflecting in your earlier comments, in her earlier comments. The November 6 election was a game-changer, and I think that the political landscape has shifted such that it will be very, very difficult for Republicans to vote against a bill that has the type of bipartisan support that was expressed in the framework that was presented today. | yeah it is about six years ago but my the landscape has changed both, the political and policy landscape as linda said and as mara was reflecting, in your earlier comments in her, earlier comments the november 6 election was a game-changer and i, think that the political landscape has, shifted such that it will be very very difficult for republicans to vote against a bill that has the type of, bipartisan support that, was expressed in the framework that was presented | Yeah it is about six years ago but my the landscape has changed both the. political and policy landscape. as Linda said and as Mara was reflecting in your. earlier comments in her earlier comments The November 6 election was a game-changer and I think that the political. landscape has. shifted such; that it will be very very; difficult for Republicans to vote against a bill that has the type of bipartisan support that was expressed in the framework, that was presented; | yeah, it is about six years ago, but my, the landscape has changed, both the political and policy landscape, as linda said and as mara was reflecting in your earlier comments, in her earlier comments. the november 6 election was a game-changer, and i think that the political landscape has shifted such that it will be very, very difficult for republicans to vote against a bill that has the type of bipartisan support that was expressed in the framework that was presented today. |
So I think that not only have we seen a change in the political landscape, but we're dealing with a very different dynamic on the ground than we were six years ago. Six years ago, there was still large-scale undocumented immigration. Right now, net illegal immigration is at or below zero, and that's going to make a big difference. | so i think that not only have we seen a change in, the political landscape but we're dealing with a very, different dynamic on the ground than we were six years ago six years ago there was still large-scale undocumented immigration right now, net illegal immigration is at or below zero. and that's going to make a big | So I think that not only have we seen a change in the political landscape but we're dealing with a very different dynamic on the ground than we were six years ago Six years ago there was still large-scale undocumented immigration, Right now net illegal immigration is at or below zero and that's going to make a big | so i think that not only have we seen a change in the political landscape, but we're dealing with a very different dynamic on the ground than we were six years ago. six years ago, there was still large-scale undocumented immigration. right now, net illegal immigration is at or below zero, and that's going to make a big difference. |
Sure, when the economy picks up there will be more pressure on the border, but there are a variety of factors that have changed, Not only the U.S. economy but the Mexican economy has remained strong, and the demographics are shifting in Mexico such that there's not such a big pool of folks who are desiring to come here. | sure when the economy picks up there. will be more pressure on the border but there are a variety of factors, that have, changed, not only the u.s economy but the mexican economy has remained strong and the demographics are shifting in, mexico such that there's not such a big pool of. folks who are desiring to, come | Sure when the economy picks up there will be more pressure on the border but there are a variety of. factors that have, changed Not only the U.S economy but the Mexican economy has remained strong. and the demographics are shifting in Mexico such that there's not such a big pool of folks who are desiring to come | sure, when the economy picks up there will be more pressure on the border, but there are a variety of factors that have changed, not only the u.s. economy but the mexican economy has remained strong, and the demographics are shifting in mexico such that there's not such a big pool of folks who are desiring to come here. |
So I think the fact that the border is far more stable than it's ever been, and now the political imperative is present and obvious to Republicans means that we've got a good chance of getting over the finish line. | so i think the. fact that the border is far more stable than it's. ever been, and now the political imperative, is present and obvious to republicans means that we've got a good chance of getting over. the finish | So I think, the fact that the border is far more stable than it's. ever been and now the political imperative; is, present. and obvious to Republicans means that we've. got a good chance of getting over the finish | so i think the fact that the border is far more stable than it's ever been, and now the political imperative is present and obvious to republicans means that we've got a good chance of getting over the finish line. |
Net immigration, those coming in balanced by those who are returning to their homelands, whether those are Mexico or places further south or further east or west for that matter. Linda Chavez, as you look at this, is the path for citizenship for those already here going to be the principal stumbling block, do you think? | net immigration those coming in balanced. by those who are returning to their homelands whether those are mexico or places further. south or further, east. or west for that matter linda chavez as you look at this is the path for citizenship for those already. here going to be the principal stumbling block do you | Net immigration those coming in balanced by those who; are returning to their homelands whether those are Mexico or places further south or further east, or west for that matter; Linda Chavez as you look at this is the path for citizenship for those, already here going; to be the principal stumbling block do you | net immigration, those coming in balanced by those who are returning to their homelands, whether those are mexico or places further south or further east or west for that matter. linda chavez, as you look at this, is the path for citizenship for those already here going to be the principal stumbling block, do you think? |
I hope not because the fact is if there was - if Mitt Romney had gotten his way, and 11 million illegal immigrants had suddenly disappeared from the American economy, it would have had the effect of an atom bomb hitting New York City. I mean, it's really - we need the people who are here. They are performing vital services. | i hope not because the fact is if there was - if mitt romney had gotten his way and 11 million illegal immigrants had suddenly disappeared from the american economy it would have, had the effect of an atom bomb hitting new york city i mean it's really - we need the people who are here they are performing vital | I hope not because the fact is if there was - if Mitt Romney had gotten his way and 11 million illegal immigrants. had suddenly disappeared from the American economy it would have had the; effect of an, atom bomb hitting New York City I mean it's really - we need the people who are here They are performing vital | i hope not because the fact is if there was - if mitt romney had gotten his way, and 11 million illegal immigrants had suddenly disappeared from the american economy, it would have had the effect of an atom bomb hitting new york city. i mean, it's really - we need the people who are here. they are performing vital services. |
They come here for work. They have one of the highest work ethics of any group, higher - the males have higher labor force participation rates than any other group in American. | they come here for work they, have one of the highest work ethics of any group higher - the males have. higher labor force participation rates than any other group in | They come here for work They have. one of the highest work ethics of any group higher - the. males have higher labor force participation rates than any other group in | they come here for work. they have one of the highest work ethics of any group, higher - the males have higher labor force participation rates than any other group in american. |
So one would hope that the Republicans have wakened up to the fact that we do in fact need not just high-skilled but also low-skilled workers in our economy. And what we really need to do is to find a way to bring these people out of the shadows. I think everyone, including immigration supporters, want to get rid of anyone who has a criminal record, particularly anyone who's committed a violent crime. | so one would, hope that the republicans have wakened up to the fact that we do in fact need not just high-skilled but. also low-skilled workers in our economy, and what we really need to do is. to find a, way to bring these people out of the shadows i think everyone including. immigration supporters want to get rid of anyone who has a criminal. record particularly anyone who's committed a violent | So one would hope that the Republicans have wakened up to the. fact that, we do in fact need not just high-skilled but also low-skilled workers in our economy And what we really need to do is to find a way to bring these people out of the shadows I think everyone including immigration supporters want to get rid of. anyone who has a criminal record particularly anyone who's, committed, a violent, | so one would hope that the republicans have wakened up to the fact that we do in fact need not just high-skilled but also low-skilled workers in our economy. and what we really need to do is to find a way to bring these people out of the shadows. i think everyone, including immigration supporters, want to get rid of anyone who has a criminal record, particularly anyone who's committed a violent crime. |
But people who have been here, lived here, become part of the economy, established families here and are good, upstanding members of their community ought to be given the chance to live here legally and at some point get citizenship. | but people who have. been here lived here become part, of the economy established families here and are good upstanding members. of their, community; ought to be given the chance. to live here legally and at some point. get, | But people who have been here lived here become part of. the economy. established families, here and. are good upstanding members of their community ought to be given the chance to live here, legally and at some point get | but people who have been here, lived here, become part of the economy, established families here and are good, upstanding members of their community ought to be given the chance to live here legally and at some point get citizenship. |
Marshall Fitz, this has not been put into the form of legislation. As the cliche has it, the devil's in the details. Do you see a couple of traps? For one thing those in the country without authorization as the document says would be forced to register with the government. A lot of people are going to have a problem with that. | marshall fitz this has, not been put into the, form of legislation as the cliche, has it the devil's in the details do you see a couple of traps? for one thing those in the country without; authorization as, the document says would be forced to register with the government a lot of people are going to have a problem with | Marshall, Fitz this has not been; put into, the form of legislation As the cliche has it. the devil's in the details Do you see a couple of traps? For one thing those in the country without authorization; as the, document says would be forced to register with the government A lot of people, are going. to, have a problem with | marshall fitz, this has not been put into the form of legislation. as the cliche has it, the devil's in the details. do you see a couple of traps? for one thing those in the country without authorization as the document says would be forced to register with the government. a lot of people are going to have a problem with that. |
Actually, I don't think it will be as much of a problem as one might think. I think the notion that you've got to come forward, register, pay a fine, learn English and really got to the back of the line, not that there's a specific line for them to get in but that there will be a line for them to get in, is pretty much the standard framework for legalization that we've adopted and I think that most undocumented immigrants are willing to embrace. | actually i don't. think it will be as much of a. problem as one might think, i think the notion that. you've got to. come forward register pay a fine learn english and. really got to. the back of the line not that. there's a specific line for them to, get in but that there will. be a line for them to get in is. pretty much the standard framework for legalization that we've adopted and i think that most undocumented immigrants are. willing to | Actually I don't think it will be as much of a problem as one might think I, think the notion that you've got to come forward register pay a fine learn English and really got to the back of the, line not that there's a specific line for them to get in but that there will be. a line for them to, get in is pretty much the standard framework for legalization that we've adopted and, I think that most undocumented immigrants are willing to | actually, i don't think it will be as much of a problem as one might think. i think the notion that you've got to come forward, register, pay a fine, learn english and really got to the back of the line, not that there's a specific line for them to get in but that there will be a line for them to get in, is pretty much the standard framework for legalization that we've adopted and i think that most undocumented immigrants are willing to embrace. |
Frankly the real question is less about whether they'll come forward than whether or not the line to get in is meaningful. And I think that in that instance the devil is in the details. I personally believe that this group is committed to making sure that it's a path to citizenship that is not in name only, that it's not a paper path but a real path. | frankly the real question is less about, whether they'll come forward than whether or not the line to get in is meaningful and i think that in that instance the devil is in the details i personally believe that this. group is committed, to making sure, that it's a path to citizenship that is not, in name only that it's not a paper path but a real | Frankly the real question is. less about whether they'll come forward than whether or. not the line to get in, is meaningful And I think that in that instance. the devil is in the details, I personally believe that this group is committed to making sure that it's a path to citizenship that is not in name only that it's not a paper, path but a real | frankly the real question is less about whether they'll come forward than whether or not the line to get in is meaningful. and i think that in that instance the devil is in the details. i personally believe that this group is committed to making sure that it's a path to citizenship that is not in name only, that it's not a paper path but a real path. |
And if it is, then I think you'll see large-scale participation along the lines of what we saw with the deferred action program that the president and DHS announced for the DREAM Act kids. They've come forward in record numbers, and they continue to come forward. And so I think that that's kind of a model for what we should expect if Congress can hopefully get its act together and join - lock arms on this issue and pass the type of immigration reform that our country needs. | and if it is then i think you'll see large-scale participation along the lines of what. we saw. with the deferred action, program that the president and dhs, announced for the dream act kids they've come forward, in, record numbers and they continue to come forward. and so i think that that's kind of a model for what we should expect; if congress; can hopefully get, its act together and. join - lock arms on, this issue and pass the. type, of immigration reform that our country | And if it is then I think you'll see large-scale participation along the lines of, what we saw with the deferred action program that the president and DHS announced for the DREAM Act, kids They've come forward in record numbers and they continue to come forward And so I think that that's kind of; a model for what we should expect if; Congress can hopefully get its act together and join - lock arms on this issue and pass the, type of immigration reform that our country | and if it is, then i think you'll see large-scale participation along the lines of what we saw with the deferred action program that the president and dhs announced for the dream act kids. they've come forward in record numbers, and they continue to come forward. and so i think that that's kind of a model for what we should expect if congress can hopefully get its act together and join - lock arms on this issue and pass the type of immigration reform that our country needs. |
Another thing that's unclear yet, as Mara Liasson told us earlier, is this commission that would somehow verify that the border is now secure. Who's going to be on it, and what's their definition of secure? | another thing that's unclear yet as mara liasson told us earlier is this commission that would somehow verify that the border is now secure. who's going to be on it, and what's their definition of | Another thing that's, unclear yet as Mara Liasson told us earlier is, this commission that would somehow verify that the. border is now secure Who's going to be on it and. what's. their definition of | another thing that's unclear yet, as mara liasson told us earlier, is this commission that would somehow verify that the border is now secure. who's going to be on it, and what's their definition of secure? |
But very long-term memory for days, weeks, months and years involves the activation of genes in the nucleus and turning on gene expression, reading out DNA into RNA, and that RNA then encodes proteins that go out into the cell and modify the function and structure of neurons. | but very long-term memory for days weeks, months. and years involves the activation of genes in the nucleus and turning on gene, expression reading out dna into rna. and that rna then encodes proteins that go out into the cell and. modify. the function and structure of | But very long-term memory for days weeks months and years involves the activation. of genes in the nucleus and turning; on gene expression reading out DNA into RNA and that RNA then, encodes proteins that go out into the cell and modify the function. and structure of | but very long-term memory for days, weeks, months and years involves the activation of genes in the nucleus and turning on gene expression, reading out dna into rna, and that rna then encodes proteins that go out into the cell and modify the function and structure of neurons. |
Well, I think this - you know, Neal, I think that is a problem because, you know, as you mentioned earlier, we are now at net zero immigration, and I think that if anybody were to really fairly look at what's happened in terms of immigration, illegal immigration, we've actually hit lows that we have not seen since the 1970s. So the fact is our borders are pretty secure. | well i. think this - you know neal i think that is a problem because you know as you, mentioned earlier we are now at, net zero immigration and i think that if. anybody were to really fairly, look at what's happened in terms of immigration illegal immigration we've actually hit lows that we have not seen since the. 1970s so the fact is our borders are pretty | Well I think this - you know Neal I think. that is. a problem because, you know as you mentioned earlier we are now at net zero immigration and I think that if anybody were, to really, fairly, look at what's. happened in, terms of immigration, illegal immigration we've actually hit lows that we have not seen since the. 1970s So. the fact is our borders are pretty | well, i think this - you know, neal, i think that is a problem because, you know, as you mentioned earlier, we are now at net zero immigration, and i think that if anybody were to really fairly look at what's happened in terms of immigration, illegal immigration, we've actually hit lows that we have not seen since the 1970s. so the fact is our borders are pretty secure. |
And I'd just like to add one more thing about the citizenship from the point of view of a conservative. It is in conservatives' interests that these people become United States citizens. We don't want a nation in which we have a portion of the population, a rather large one, that does not feel identification with America, with American principles, and we should be urging people to become citizens. Ours should not be a stumbling block in the path to citizenship. | and, i'd just like to, add one more thing about the citizenship from the point of view of a conservative it is in conservatives' interests that these people become united states citizens we don't want a nation in which we have a portion of the population. a rather large one; that does not feel identification with america with american principles and we should be urging people to become citizens. ours should not be a stumbling block in the path to; | And I'd just like to add one more thing about the citizenship from the, point of view of a conservative It is in conservatives' interests that these people become United States citizens We don't want a nation. in which. we. have a, portion of the population a rather large one that does not feel identification with America with American. principles and we should be urging people to become citizens Ours should not be a stumbling block in the path to | and i'd just like to add one more thing about the citizenship from the point of view of a conservative. it is in conservatives' interests that these people become united states citizens. we don't want a nation in which we have a portion of the population, a rather large one, that does not feel identification with america, with american principles, and we should be urging people to become citizens. ours should not be a stumbling block in the path to citizenship. |
We should be doing everything we can to make sure that these people become good and responsible citizens for the future. | we should be doing everything we can to make sure that. these people become good and responsible. citizens for the | We should be doing, everything we can to make sure that these people become good and responsible citizens for the | we should be doing everything we can to make sure that these people become good and responsible citizens for the future. |
And let me ask you then what might be termed a cynical question: Are Republicans going to vote for a proposal that would authorize citizenship for 11 million people who are likely to vote heavily Democratic? | and let me ask, you, then. what might be termed a cynical question: are, republicans going to vote for a proposal that would authorize citizenship for 11 million people. who are likely to vote heavily | And let me ask you then what might be termed a cynical question: Are Republicans going to vote for a proposal that would authorize citizenship for 11 million, people who are likely to vote heavily, | and let me ask you then what might be termed a cynical question: are republicans going to vote for a proposal that would authorize citizenship for 11 million people who are likely to vote heavily democratic? |
Well, I think, you know, that's one of the questions, how likely they are to vote Democratic. We have certainly seen both with President Reagan and George W. Bush that you can get more than 40 percent of Hispanics voting for the Republican nominee. And you can go back as far as 1972, and in most years, at least 30 percent of Hispanics have voted Republican in presidential races. The exceptions have been when immigration and anti-immigration sentiment has been at its peak, as it was when Bob Dole ran. | well. i think you know that's one of the questions how likely they are to vote democratic we have certainly seen; both with president reagan and. george w bush that you can get more than 40 percent of hispanics voting for the republican nominee and you can go back as far, as 1972, and in most years. at least 30 percent of hispanics, have. voted republican in presidential races the exceptions have been when immigration and anti-immigration sentiment has, been at, its peak; as it was when bob dole | Well I think you know that's one of the questions how, likely they are to vote Democratic We have certainly seen. both with President Reagan and George W Bush that you can get more than 40 percent of; Hispanics voting for the Republican nominee And you. can go back as far as 1972, and in most years at least. 30 percent, of Hispanics; have voted Republican in presidential races The exceptions have been when immigration and anti-immigration sentiment has been at its, peak as, it was, when Bob Dole | well, i think, you know, that's one of the questions, how likely they are to vote democratic. we have certainly seen both with president reagan and george w. bush that you can get more than 40 percent of hispanics voting for the republican nominee. and you can go back as far as 1972, and in most years, at least 30 percent of hispanics have voted republican in presidential races. the exceptions have been when immigration and anti-immigration sentiment has been at its peak, as it was when bob dole ran. |
We had an initiative out in California that was very anti-immigrant, most of which has been struck down as unconstitutional. And of course in the last election, this was a major problem because of Mitt Romney's own rhetoric. So I think it's silly of the Republicans to think that they cannot win Hispanic votes, but they certainly can't win Hispanic votes if they are going to be a stumbling block to significant immigration reform, which we need not just to help these people who are here illegally, we need it for our economy to grow. | we had an initiative out in california that was very anti-immigrant most of which has been struck down as unconstitutional and, of. course in the last election this was a major, problem, because of. mitt romney's own rhetoric so i think it's; silly of the republicans to, think that they cannot win hispanic votes but they certainly can't win hispanic votes if, they are going to be a stumbling block to significant immigration reform. which we need not just to help these people who are here. illegally we need it for our economy to | We had, an initiative out in California, that was very, anti-immigrant most of which has been struck down; as unconstitutional And of course in the last election this was a major problem because of Mitt Romney's own, rhetoric So I, think it's silly of. the Republicans to, think that they cannot win Hispanic votes but they certainly can't win Hispanic votes if they, are going to be a, stumbling block to significant immigration reform which we need not just to help these people who are here illegally we need it for our, economy to | we had an initiative out in california that was very anti-immigrant, most of which has been struck down as unconstitutional. and of course in the last election, this was a major problem because of mitt romney's own rhetoric. so i think it's silly of the republicans to think that they cannot win hispanic votes, but they certainly can't win hispanic votes if they are going to be a stumbling block to significant immigration reform, which we need not just to help these people who are here illegally, we need it for our economy to grow. |
We want to hear from those immigrants in our audience, 800-989-8255. Email: [email protected]. We realize these are just principles thus far, but from what you've heard of this plan, what's in it for you? Let's begin with Amit(ph), Amit with us from Salt Lake City. | we want. to hear from those immigrants in our audience 800-989-8255. email: [email protected] we realize these are just principles thus far but from what you've heard of this plan what's in it for you? let's begin with amit(ph), amit, with us from salt lake, | We want to hear from those immigrants in our audience 800-989-8255. Email: [email protected] We realize these are just principles thus, far but from what you've heard of this plan what's in it for you? Let's begin with Amit(ph), Amit with us from Salt. Lake | we want to hear from those immigrants in our audience, 800-989-8255. email: [email protected]. we realize these are just principles thus far, but from what you've heard of this plan, what's in it for you? let's begin with amit(ph), amit with us from salt lake city. |
Yeah. Hi. | yeah. | Yeah, | yeah. hi. |
Go ahead, please. | go ahead | Go ahead | go ahead, please. |
So I am an immigrant from India. I am a - I have done my Master's, and I'm working on my Ph.D. in electrical engineering. And something that's been - that they have introduced is more green cards for people with Master's or an advanced degree in STEM field. So that's what's in it for me. | so i am. an immigrant from india i am, a - i have done my master's and i'm working on my ph.d, in. electrical engineering and something that's been, - that they have introduced, is more green cards, for people with master's or an advanced degree. in stem field so that's what's in it for | So I am an immigrant from India I, am a - I have done, my Master's and I'm working on my Ph.D in electrical engineering And something that's been - that; they have. introduced is more green cards for people with Master's or an. advanced, degree in STEM field So that's what's; in it for | so i am an immigrant from india. i am a - i have done my master's, and i'm working on my ph.d. in electrical engineering. and something that's been - that they have introduced is more green cards for people with master's or an advanced degree in stem field. so that's what's in it for me. |
I mean I've been here for 13 years, and I'm still, you know, waiting for the green card, even a path for a green card or a citizenship. In the past it has always been - the senators and the congressmen have always talked about illegal immigration, and they tend to group illegal and legal immigration together. | i mean i've. been here for 13 years and i'm still, you know waiting for the green card even a path for a green card or a. citizenship in the past. it has always been - the senators and the congressmen have always talked about illegal immigration and they, tend to group illegal and legal immigration | I mean I've, been here for 13 years and I'm still you know waiting for the green card even a, path for a green card or a citizenship In the past; it has, always. been - the senators and. the congressmen have always talked about illegal immigration and they tend to group illegal and, legal immigration | i mean i've been here for 13 years, and i'm still, you know, waiting for the green card, even a path for a green card or a citizenship. in the past it has always been - the senators and the congressmen have always talked about illegal immigration, and they tend to group illegal and legal immigration together. |
Mm-hmm. Well, let me ask you, Marshall Fitz. The way I read this proposal - and again, it's not legislation yet and a long way from being passed - if it is passed the way it looks today, that electrical engineering Master's degree would qualify Amit for a green card. | mm-hmm well let me ask you marshall fitz, the way i read this proposal - and again it's not, legislation yet and a long; way from being passed - if it is passed. the way it looks today that electrical engineering master's degree would qualify amit for. a green | Mm-hmm Well let me ask you Marshall Fitz The, way I read this proposal - and again it's not. legislation yet and a long way from, being passed - if it. is. passed the way it looks today that electrical engineering Master's degree would qualify Amit for a green | mm-hmm. well, let me ask you, marshall fitz. the way i read this proposal - and again, it's not legislation yet and a long way from being passed - if it is passed the way it looks today, that electrical engineering master's degree would qualify amit for a green card. |
That's exactly right. And I think that one can safely assume that any proposal that makes it out of either the Senate or the House is going to have some strong provisions for high-skilled immigration in particular on the green card front and particularly for the science, technology, engineering and math fields. | that's exactly right and i think that one can safely assume that any. proposal that makes it. out of either the senate or the house is going to. have some strong provisions for high-skilled. immigration in particular on the green card front and particularly for the. science technology. engineering and math | That's exactly right And I think that. one can safely assume that any proposal that makes it. out of either the Senate or the House is going to, have some strong, provisions for high-skilled immigration in particular on the green card; front and particularly for the science technology engineering and math | that's exactly right. and i think that one can safely assume that any proposal that makes it out of either the senate or the house is going to have some strong provisions for high-skilled immigration in particular on the green card front and particularly for the science, technology, engineering and math fields. |
This is something that the president has repeatedly talked about. It is something that bipartisan groups of senators have supported, and the same thing on the House side. So I think Amit will be pleasantly surprised if we're able to get across the finish line with this bill. | this is something. that the president has repeatedly talked about it is something that bipartisan groups of; senators have supported and the same thing on the house side so i think amit will be pleasantly surprised, if we're able to get across the finish line with this | This is something. that the president has repeatedly talked about It is something that bipartisan groups of senators have supported and the same thing on the House side So I think Amit will be pleasantly surprised if we're. able to get across the finish line with this | this is something that the president has repeatedly talked about. it is something that bipartisan groups of senators have supported, and the same thing on the house side. so i think amit will be pleasantly surprised if we're able to get across the finish line with this bill. |
And Linda Chavez, a lot of people say these are exactly the people, having educated them here, we want to keep here. | and linda chavez a lot of people say these are exactly, the people. having educated them here we want to keep. | And Linda Chavez a lot of people say these are exactly the people having educated them here we want to keep | and linda chavez, a lot of people say these are exactly the people, having educated them here, we want to keep here. |
Absolutely, and in fact there really is bipartisan support for this. Even some of the more outspoken anti-illegal immigration folks have acknowledged that we need to keep people here who've actually, many of them, have earned their educations here or have at least gathered experience as temporary workers here. These are exactly the kind of people that will help lead us into the future. | absolutely, and in fact there really is bipartisan support for this even some of the more outspoken anti-illegal immigration folks have acknowledged that we, need to keep people here who've actually, many of them have earned their educations here or have at least gathered, experience as temporary workers here these are exactly the kind of. people that will help lead. us into the | Absolutely and. in fact there really. is bipartisan support for this Even some of the more outspoken anti-illegal immigration folks have acknowledged that we need to keep people here who've actually many of them have earned their educations here, or have at least gathered experience, as temporary workers here These are exactly the kind of people that will help lead us into the | absolutely, and in fact there really is bipartisan support for this. even some of the more outspoken anti-illegal immigration folks have acknowledged that we need to keep people here who've actually, many of them, have earned their educations here or have at least gathered experience as temporary workers here. these are exactly the kind of people that will help lead us into the future. |
And again, we oughtn't just be giving them green cards to allow them to work here. We ought to welcome them into our society. We have to help them become Americans. And so I think a path to citizenship for these STEM workers is also extremely important. | and. again we, oughtn't. just be giving them green cards to allow them to work here we ought to welcome them into our society. we have to help them become, americans and so i think a path to citizenship for these stem workers is also, extremely | And again we oughtn't just be giving, them green cards to allow them to work here, We ought. to welcome them into our society We have to help them become Americans, And so I think a path to citizenship for these STEM workers is also extremely, | and again, we oughtn't just be giving them green cards to allow them to work here. we ought to welcome them into our society. we have to help them become americans. and so i think a path to citizenship for these stem workers is also extremely important. |
Amit, thanks very much for the call. Good luck with your degree. | amit thanks very much for the call good luck with your | Amit thanks very much for. the call Good luck with your | amit, thanks very much for the call. good luck with your degree. |
Thank you for taking the call. | thank. you for taking the | Thank you for taking the | thank you for taking the call. |
We're talking about the immigration proposals unveiled by the Gang of Eight - four senators, four Democrats, four Republicans - earlier today. Our guests are Linda Chavez, chair of the Center for Equal Opportunity and a syndicated columnist, political analyst for Fox News. Also with us, Marshall Fitz, director of immigration policy at the Center for American Progress. You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | we're; talking about the immigration proposals unveiled by the gang of eight - four senators four democrats four republicans - earlier, today our guests are linda chavez chair, of; the, center for equal opportunity and a syndicated columnist, political analyst, for fox news also with us marshall fitz director of immigration policy at the center for american progress you're listening to talk of the nation from npr | We're talking about the immigration proposals. unveiled by the Gang of Eight - four senators four Democrats four Republicans - earlier today Our guests are. Linda Chavez chair of, the Center for Equal Opportunity and a syndicated columnist political analyst for Fox News Also with us Marshall Fitz director of immigration policy at. the Center for American Progress You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | we're talking about the immigration proposals unveiled by the gang of eight - four senators, four democrats, four republicans - earlier today. our guests are linda chavez, chair of the center for equal opportunity and a syndicated columnist, political analyst for fox news. also with us, marshall fitz, director of immigration policy at the center for american progress. you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. |
My husband is an undocumented immigrant who's been here for over 13 years. He's a tax-paying, decent person that left Mexico due to the violence. Having a path to citizenship would be a godsend because not to have an SSN - a Social Security number - affects all aspects of his life. He can't get a driver's license, so police tow his car and store it for 30 days anytime he has a traffic stop. Judges and lawyers take advantage of his fear of getting deported any time he gets a ticket and has to go to court, thus racking up thousands of dollars in fines. He obviously cannot get a good-paying job and has to work the third shift as a janitor to earn less than the minimum wage. He cannot go to community college without a Social Security number. The way the system is set up, it kicks undocumented immigrants once they are down and keeps kicking them so they can never get up. | my husband is an undocumented. immigrant, who's been here for over 13 years he's a tax-paying decent person that left mexico due to the violence having a path to citizenship would be a godsend because not to have an ssn - a social security number - affects all aspects of his life he can't get a driver's, license so police tow his. car and store it for 30 days anytime he has a traffic stop judges and lawyers take. advantage of, his fear of getting deported any time he gets a ticket and has to; go to court thus racking up thousands of dollars in fines he obviously cannot; get a, good-paying job and has to work the third shift as, a janitor to earn less than, the minimum wage he cannot go to community college without a social security number, the way the system is set up it kicks undocumented immigrants once they are down. and keeps kicking them so they can never, get | My husband is. an undocumented immigrant. who's been here for over, 13 years He's a tax-paying decent person. that left Mexico due to the violence Having a path to citizenship would be a godsend because not, to have an SSN - a Social Security number - affects all aspects of his life He can't get a driver's license so police tow his car and, store. it, for 30 days anytime he has. a traffic stop Judges and lawyers take advantage of his fear of getting deported any time. he gets a ticket and has to go to court thus. racking up thousands of dollars in fines He obviously cannot get a good-paying job and has to work the third shift as a janitor to earn less than the minimum wage He cannot go to community college without a Social Security number The, way the, system is set up it kicks undocumented immigrants once they are down and, keeps kicking them so they can never get | my husband is an undocumented immigrant who's been here for over 13 years. he's a tax-paying, decent person that left mexico due to the violence. having a path to citizenship would be a godsend because not to have an ssn - a social security number - affects all aspects of his life. he can't get a driver's license, so police tow his car and store it for 30 days anytime he has a traffic stop. judges and lawyers take advantage of his fear of getting deported any time he gets a ticket and has to go to court, thus racking up thousands of dollars in fines. he obviously cannot get a good-paying job and has to work the third shift as a janitor to earn less than the minimum wage. he cannot go to community college without a social security number. the way the system is set up, it kicks undocumented immigrants once they are down and keeps kicking them so they can never get up. |
And Marshall Fitz, this would change that if this goes according to plan, and he would be able to register and get a temporary visa to continue working here. | and marshall, fitz this would change that if this goes according. to plan and he would be able to register and, get a temporary visa to continue working | And Marshall Fitz this would change that if. this goes; according to plan and he would, be able to register and; get a temporary visa. to continue working | and marshall fitz, this would change that if this goes according to plan, and he would be able to register and get a temporary visa to continue working here. |
That's absolutely right. And Jenny's email, I think, makes the case as persuasively as anyone could that there are literally millions of undocumented immigrants who are working and contributing tremendously to both our economy, to our communities. And the - their lack of status is destabilizing families, as Jenny refers to, and you know, this is something that - it's not who we are as an American people to keep families in such an uncertain and untenable position for so long. | that's absolutely right and jenny's email i think makes the case as persuasively as anyone could, that there are. literally millions of undocumented, immigrants who are working and contributing tremendously, to both our, economy to our, communities and the - their lack of status is destabilizing families as jenny refers to and you know this. is something that - it's not who we. are as an american people to keep families in such an uncertain and untenable position for so | That's absolutely right And Jenny's, email I. think makes the case as persuasively as anyone could that there are literally millions of undocumented immigrants who are working and, contributing tremendously to both our economy to our communities. And the - their lack of status is destabilizing families, as Jenny refers to and you know this. is something that - it's not who we are as an American people to keep families in such an uncertain and untenable position for so | that's absolutely right. and jenny's email, i think, makes the case as persuasively as anyone could that there are literally millions of undocumented immigrants who are working and contributing tremendously to both our economy, to our communities. and the - their lack of status is destabilizing families, as jenny refers to, and you know, this is something that - it's not who we are as an american people to keep families in such an uncertain and untenable position for so long. |
Yes, we don't want to grant amnesty to lawbreakers. Everyone agrees with that. But what we're talking about and what these principles reflect is not amnesty. It's about rewarding people who are working hard, who want to play by the rules and who want to earn the privilege of citizenship, and I think that's something that all Americans can and should support. | yes, we don't want to grant amnesty to lawbreakers everyone agrees with that. but what we're talking about and what these principles reflect is, not amnesty it's about rewarding people who are working hard. who want, to play by. the rules and who want to earn the privilege of citizenship and i; think that's something that all americans can and should | Yes we don't want to grant amnesty to lawbreakers Everyone agrees with that But what, we're talking about and what these, principles reflect is not; amnesty It's about rewarding people who. are working hard who want to play by the rules and. who want to earn the privilege of citizenship and I, think that's something that all Americans can and should | yes, we don't want to grant amnesty to lawbreakers. everyone agrees with that. but what we're talking about and what these principles reflect is not amnesty. it's about rewarding people who are working hard, who want to play by the rules and who want to earn the privilege of citizenship, and i think that's something that all americans can and should support. |
Linda Chavez, I want to ask you another - ask about another part of this, and that is the people who arrive here on perfectly valid visas and then overstay. That's estimated to be maybe 40 percent of those in the country illegally. And there seems to have been no system to keep track of who comes in and who comes out, and that just seems common sense. | linda chavez i want, to ask you another - ask about another part of this and, that is the people. who arrive here on perfectly valid. visas and then overstay that's estimated to be maybe 40 percent of those in the country illegally and there seems. to have been no system to keep track of who comes in and who comes out and that just. seems common, | Linda Chavez I want to ask you another - ask about, another. part of this and that is the people who arrive here on perfectly. valid visas and then overstay That's estimated. to be maybe 40 percent of those in the country illegally And there seems to have been no system; to keep track. of who comes in and who comes out and that just seems common | linda chavez, i want to ask you another - ask about another part of this, and that is the people who arrive here on perfectly valid visas and then overstay. that's estimated to be maybe 40 percent of those in the country illegally. and there seems to have been no system to keep track of who comes in and who comes out, and that just seems common sense. |
Well, we used to have a system. We used to require all persons who are living in the United States who are not permanent residents to register once a year. I think it was in January. There used to be public service announcements I can remember on television, telling people that they had to register their whereabouts. I think that is common sense. | well we used to have a system we used to require all persons who are living in the united states who, are not. permanent residents to register once a year i think it was in january, there used to be public service, announcements. i can remember on television telling people that they had to register their whereabouts i think. that is common | Well we used; to have a system We used to require all persons who are living in the, United States who are not permanent residents to, register once a year I think it was in January There used to be public service announcements I can remember on television telling people, that they had to. register their whereabouts I think. that is common | well, we used to have a system. we used to require all persons who are living in the united states who are not permanent residents to register once a year. i think it was in january. there used to be public service announcements i can remember on television, telling people that they had to register their whereabouts. i think that is common sense. |
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