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Please satisfy my curiosity. I'm interested in finding out who is using the
e-mail system. Please do not flood me with mail after April 21st. Thanks!
Maria Alice Ruth [email protected] or @psuvm.psu.edu
1. Are you male or female?
2. How long have you been using the e-mail system?
3. How do you have access (at work, at school, etc)?
4. Who taught you how to use the system? Is that person male or female?
5. Have you helped anyone to learn the system? Was that person(s) male or
female?
6. Which net did you find my questions on?
7. Which other nets are you interested in? | 7 | rec.autos |
Ummm...did you have any bikes other than that KX80? If not, I'd suggest you
look for an '89 ZX-7, since they only have about 90 horsepower, whereas the
'90 has over 100 and might be a bit much for you...
Sincerely,
Nathaniel | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
In a cell church, the fundamental building block is the "cell group" -- a
small group of no more than 15 believers. The small groups are responsible
for the ministry of the church: evangelism and discipleship. The emphasis
is on relationships, not on programs, and both the evangelism and the
discipling are relationship-based.
This will probably raise more questions than it answered, but that's it in
a nutshell. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I recently bought a Micron 486DX/33 VLB computer and the the local bus
ide card was getting around 1k/s transfer rates (says norton). I caled
micron because this seemed pathetically slow and they said that norton
6.xx doesn't recognize local bus and won't give accurate results. I was
told I would need norton 7.0 in order to get a true account of my ide
transfer speed.
I didn't really like this answer in part because the drive doesn't seem
as though it's cranking along at much more than that, but I also don't
know if I could tell the difference.
I tried playing around with settings in the CMOS (bus speed at the like)
and noticed no significant change in performance.
**B0100000027fed4
Frank Shea
| 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
[reply to [email protected] (Jacquelin Aldridge)]
The acquisition of scientific knowledge is completely scientific. The
application of that knowledge in individual cases may be more art than
science.
Certainly we don't have all the answers. The question is, what is the
most reliable means of acquiring further medical knowledge? The
scientific method has proven itself to be reliable. The *only* reason
alternative therapies are shunned by physicians is that their
practitioners refuse to submit their theories to rigorous scientific
scrutiny, insisting that "tradition" or anecdotal evidence are
sufficient. These have been shown many times in the past to be very
unreliable ways of acquiring reliable knowledge. Crook's ideas have
never been backed up by scientific evidence. His unwillingness to do
good science makes the rest of us doubt the veracity of his contentions. | 13 | sci.med |
Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and
we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish
baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up
with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and
maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know
it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but
humor us. Thanks for your help. | 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
(Deletion)
Since this drivel is also crossposted to alt.atheism, how about reading
the alt.atheism FAQ? The Josephus quote is concidered to be a fake even
by Christian historians, and the four gospels contradict each other in
important points. | 19 | talk.religion.misc |
I have notice a lot of electronics questions by people who are obviously not
"tuned-in" to electronics. Many of them have rather simple answers, and
many of them require a circuit diagram.
Rather than muck up the network, why don't you write to me, send a self-
addressed, stamped envelop, and I'll answer your questions, if I can. | 12 | sci.electronics |
There was apparently a 30 minute special here on the Penguins'
season on ABC (WTAE - channel 4), immediately preceding the opening
game against the Devils on Sunday. I only turned it on in time to
watch the credits. If anyone taped it and is willing to let me borrow
it to dub it, I would appreciate it. I would be willing to come pick
it up, and I'll return it the next day and buy you a beer. Please
respond via e-mail. Thanks a lot.
Oh yeah. Was it any good?
-Billy
| 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
Sorry, but olwm and tvtwm don't do it. They place the title at that position
and the window at a position below it.
This becomes a problem when you want a program to be able to save its current
configuration and restore is later.
Currently, my solution is:
XCreateWindow(...);
XSetWMProperties(..);
XMapWindow(...);
XFlush(...);
XMoveWindow(...);
It works with olwm, but is less than elegant. All this leaves me wondering
if I'm overlooking something obvious.
Richard.
I know that the mwm has an resource to specify if positions are to be used for
the border of a window or for the "user" window. Maybe other window managers
have similar options.
Another way to figure out the difference between the "user" window position
and the window manager decoration window position is to subtract their
positions. You just have to use XQueryTree and remember that the window manager
decorations window is the parent of your window. Unfortunately, you can only
figure out the decoration width and height after the window has been mapped
this way. | 5 | comp.windows.x |
Even if it were a capital offense, the warrant was not even an arrest warrant,
but a search warrant. In other words, there was no evidence of illegal
arms, just enough of a suggestion to get a judge to sign a license to
search for illegal evidence. | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
Two thoughts.
- I think that psychologically it will be easier for the next
generation to accept genetic manipulation. It seems that people frown
upon 'messing with Nature', ignoring our eons-old practice of doing just that.
Any new human intervention is 'arrogance and hubris' and manipulation
we routinely do is 'natural' and certainly 'not a big deal'.
- Most interesting human traits will probably be massively
polygenetic and be full of trade-offs. In addition, without a positive
social environment for the cultivation of genetic gifts, having them won't
be the advantage it's made out to be. Some people will certainly pursue it
as if it is the Grail, but we know how most of those quests turn out. | 13 | sci.med |
I've had my Duo 230 for a few weeks now and suffer from both
of the above problems. I reinstalled my system software twice
in an effort to combat the problems - thinking they were
system software problems. Initially reinstalling the system
seemed to help but not anymore. Occasionally when I try to
wake up the Duo I get a solid screen of horizontal lines on
the screen - it freezes.
I also get the high-pitched hiss occasionally - but only at
startup.
I've called the apple hotline (800 SOS-APPL) three times
already and finally they agreed something is astray after my
Duo's screen would go dim and the hard drive spun down by
itselft and put itself to sleep. This problem only occured
twice. Apple sent me a box to ship my Duo to be looked at in
New York but the problem now is intermittent and I can't
afford to be without my Duo at this time.
Anyone out there with these same problems?
| 4 | comp.sys.mac.hardware |
[Most info regarding dangers of reading from Floppy disks omitted]
In all fairness, how many people do you know personally who read images
from Floppy drives? I haven't tried it with JPEGs, but I do realize how
agonizingly slow it is with GIF files. | 1 | comp.graphics |
:>I think the scientists are biased towards the food industry or something.
:>Was the article long? Would anyone be interested in posting it?
:a neuroscientist told me that MSG is used as a neurotoxin...that's
:right...some labs use it to "kill" neurons in mice and rats
Vitamin A (and I think vitamin D) in strong enough amounts can kill. The key
words are DOSAGE and EXPOSURE MECHANISM.
| 13 | sci.med |
There is an excellent software program called Astro.calc that does that and
much more. The latest address I have is
MMI Corporation
PO Box 19907
Baltimore, MD 21211
Phone (301) 366-1222
--
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Van E. Neie [email protected]
Purdue University [email protected] | 14 | sci.space |
Does anyone out there know of any ftp sites which deal with
electronics projects, plans, etc? Any response appreciated.:)
JB | 12 | sci.electronics |
There are actually a few important things we can glean from this mess:
1) When they start getting desperate for an answer to the question: "What's
it all about. Mr. Natural?", pinkboys will buy darn near *anything*, which
means:
2) There's still plenty of $$$$ to be made in the False Jesus business
by enterprising SubGenii. Just remember that:
3) Once you've separated the pinks from their green, don't blow it all
on automatic weapons from Mexico. Put it in a Swiss bank account. Smile a
lot. Have your flunkies hand out flowers in airports. The Con will just
shrug you off as long as:
4) You never, never, NEVER start to believe your own bulldada! If
"David Koresh" hand't started swallowing his own "apocalypso now" crap, he'd
be working crossword puzzles in the Bahamas today instead of contributing to
the mulch layer in Waco. This is because:
5) When you start shooting at cops, they're likely to shoot back. And
most of 'em are better shots than you are.
In short:
- P.T. Barnum was right
and
- Stupidity is self-correcting
Thus endeth the lesson. | 19 | talk.religion.misc |
Could you explain what any of this pertains to? Is this a position
statement on something or typing practice? And why are you using my
name, do you think this relates to anything I've said and if so, what. | 0 | alt.atheism |
1 | comp.graphics |
|
I agree with what Darren has to say here, but would like to add a
personal observation. What I see as arrogance and the problem I have
with it is not a sense of personal certainty, but a lack of respect for
others who come to differing conclusions. Clearly, this is not just
Christian vs. Non-Christian; there is a whole spectrum of belief systems
within Christianity. I do not tend to argue with others about matters
of personal faith because, like aesthetics, it is not demonstable by
objective means.
Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal
sovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these
matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them
but are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this
that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus
anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing
the wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the
honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God.
Even a personal certainty leaves room for the beliefs of others. It is
universalizing those matters of personal faith, coupled by a proud
notion that one's relationship with God is superior to other's, that
leads to arrogance. In my honest (and nonuniversal) opinion. :-)
comments, criticism welcome...
-Ken
[email protected] | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
This may be a very naive question but is there any basis for the
claim that a CPU will get hotter when a computationally intensive
job is running? My friend claims that there will be little difference
in the temperature of an idle CPU and a CPU running a computationally
intensive job.
| 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Before I begin lambasting Don Cherry, let me first say that I've been sort of
a Cherry fan for a while...admittedly stuff he says has to be taken lightly,
but he's more-or-less harmless. On Saturday, however, he crossed the lines of
good taste:
This is the best he can do?!! Gee Don, tremendous amounts of professionalism
here. The CBC looks just as bad as he looks foolish letting him get away with
this nonsense...making fun of names?? It's bad enough that he makes asinine
blanket statements about European players, but he's now resorted to making fun
of their names too? He sounded like an idiot, much like he did last week
when he said that Teemu would never make it to his 'Rock 'em, Sock 'em' video
until he dropped the gloves...
Well, what he _said_ was that even though he's been around the league for quite
some time, he still doesn't know who's where w.r.t. conference and division
names. HELLO??!! McFly?? The names have been around for a couple of decades
or so....he also invited the audience to "Name the teams in the Wales...quick,
quick!" Followed by "Ah, you don't know, I don't know...."
Sorry Don. Wrong on this one.
This was absolutely hilarious.
Don's argument about the basketball and baseball brawls was fairly
good...unfortunately he neglected to mention the fines that were levelled in
the NBA case. Serious money...oh well, he's never been one for objectivity,
has he?
Don's question to Gretzky:
| 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
Hi there,
I have a mac 512 with a burned out part which looks like a voltage
regulator. The part number is BU 406 and I believe the vender is
SGS thomas judging by teh SGS logo printed on the package. If anyone
has teh spec for this part I would greatly appreciate an email with
the import info so I can find a replacement. Thanx in advance.
-Dave
[email protected] | 12 | sci.electronics |
I agree that the image is as sharp as it gets with these SONY tubes,
however in the 17" monitors using these tubes, the 2 annoying black
lines on the top and bottom quarters of the tube, which are created due
to the wires holding up the Invar Shadow Mask, are quite annoying after
a while. That is the only thing that is making me lean more in favor
of the NEC 5FG (or now also available the NEC 5FGe - only difference,
no ACCUCOLOR ). Any experiences or opinions from people who have used
the NEC 5FG would be appreciated since I want to get one right after
my exams are all done (ie: about a week from now).
-Tony
| 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Excuse me, that's 850 x 1163.
-- Mike
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.
======================================================================== | 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Title says it all. I'd be particularly interested in the performance
difference. Just how much faster (50%?) is the Centris 610 over the LCIII?
--Tom | 4 | comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Me too! And any Yankee Stadium gifs as well, please.
Thanx in advance, | 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
No, he does not. Arafat explicitly *denies* this claim.
from a Libyan televison interview with Yasser Arafat 7-19-1991
Q: Some people say that the Palestinian revolution has many times changed
its strategies and tactics, something which has left its imprint on the
Palestinian problem and on the Palestinian Liberation Front. The
[strategies and tactics] have not been clear. The question is, is the
direction of the Palestinian problem clear? The Palestinian leadership
has stopped, or at least this is what has been said in the media, this
happened on the way to the dialogue with the United States, the PLO
recognized something called "Israel"...
A: No, no, no! We do not recognize the State of Israel. We said
"recognition" -- when a Palestinian state is established. It will then
decide if to recognize Israel or not. When it is established, its
parliament will convene and decide.
And replace them with what? If Israel is to withdraw its
control of any territory, there must be two prerequsites. One is that
it leads to a reduction in deaths. The second is that it should not
weaken Israels bargianing position with respect to peace talks.
Leaving Gaza unilateraly is a bad idea because it encourages
arabs to think they can get what they want by killing Jews. The only
way Israel should pull out of Gaza is at the end of negotiations.
These negotiations should lead to a mutually agreeable solution with
security guarantees for both sides.
Until arabs are ready to sit down at the table and talk again,
they should not expect, or recieve more concessions.
Adam
Adam Shostack [email protected] | 17 | talk.politics.mideast |
How 'bout some more info on that alleged supernova in M-81?
I might just break out the scope for this one.
____________________________________________________
"No sir, I don't like it! "-- Mr. Horse
Dan Kelo [email protected]
____________________________________________________
| 14 | sci.space |
According to the official documentation, failure to use the IIfx terminator
can not only affect SCSI bus performance but can also damage the bus.
Whether this is your problem or not I don't know. I have had sporadic SCSI
problems with my IIfx since I bought it. (I cannot connect more than three
devices, fourth one causes major problems).
First thing to do is to try to reformat your drive on someone elses system.
If you continue to get errors it is probably the drive. If it formats fine
then I would try to format it on your system with no externals. If this
fails then the SCSI controller on your IIfx needs repair/replacement.
Hope this helps.
| 4 | comp.sys.mac.hardware |
The other Jewish HOF'er is Rod Carew (who converted).
Lowenstein is Jewish, as well as Montana's only representative to the
major leagues.
Undeserving Cy Young award winner Steve Stone is Jewish. Between Stone,
Koufax, Ken Holtzman (? might have the wrong pitcher, I'm thinking of the
one who threw a no-hitter in both the AL and NL), and Big Ed Reulbach,
that's quite a starting rotation. Moe Berg can catch. Harry Steinfeldt,
the 3b in the Tinkers-Evers-Chance infield.
Is Stanky Jewish? Or is that just a "Dave Cohen" kinda misinterpretation?
Whatever, doesn't look like he stuck around the majors too long. | 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
> The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes
>out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples,
>not the Cubs.
Sorry, but it is *virtually* impossible to win a division with "no talent"
over 162 games.
Well, with players, certainly. However, it is quite possible to win
it all with no managerial talent. Cf. Blue Jays, 1992.
David
| 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
I live in Colorado, and have never heard of such a group. Obviously claims
that their posters are appearing "all over Colorado" are a tad overdone...
Hardly. Saying that homosexuality is a sin is a far cry from
"Working for a fag-free America". Saying that I wouldn't want
a homosexual babysitting for my kids doesnt mean I endorse
"Against Immoral Gross Homosexual Trash".
And now we have homosexual advocates telling us that if we don't teach
our kids that homosexuality is natural and a perfectly acceptable
alternative lifestyle, then they will have it done for us. No, thanks.
Absolutely. And the message is always, "go and sin no more". Not,
Go and do whatever "feels good".
This sounds real nice, but struck me as a little odd. You're
presenting yourself as if you were a straight Xian, who is sticking
his neck out and taking on the challenge of speaking out in support
of gays in the church. But I was under the impression that you
yourself are gay. That's all well and fine, but presenting yourself
as sticking out your neck to help "repressed others" seems a bit
untruthful under the circumstances.... | 19 | talk.religion.misc |
I don't know if some lemons are out there, but from personal experience
My brother's has been trouble free. Not one single repair, only
regular maintainance. The only work he had done on it was a result
of his stupidity... he stopped suddenly in the middle of a left turn
on a busy intersection, and was rear-ended. He has a 1989 Plymouth
Sundance. I would recomend it, but I would also like to say that if
you can wait about six months, ChryCo is coming out with a new car
called the Neon, that is built in the same way as the LH's where.
Good luck with your desiscion.
| 7 | rec.autos |
I have been following this thread on talk.religion,
soc.religion.christian.bible-study and here with interest. I am amazed at
the different non-biblical argument those who oppose the Sabbath present.
One question comes to mind, especially since my last one was not answered
from Scripture. Maybe clh may wish to provide the first response.
There is a lot of talk about the Sabbath of the TC being ceremonial.
Answer this:
Since the TC commandments is one law with ten parts on what biblical
basis have you decided that only the Sabbath portion is ceremonial?
OR You say that the seventh-day is the Sabbath but not applicable to
Gentile Christians. Does that mean the Sabbath commandment has been
annulled? References please.
If God did not intend His requirements on the Jews to be applicable to
Gentile Christians why did He make it plain that the Gentiles were now
grafted into the commonwealth of Israel?
Darius | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
I am looking for information on infra red based position encoders.
The idea would be to bounce the infrared source off a wall and the device would
read out the distance.
preferable it would be rs-232 addressable.
Any leads?
| 12 | sci.electronics |
What files do I need to download for GhostScript 2.5.2? I have never used
GhostScript before, so I don't have any files for it. What I *do* have is
gs252win.zip, which I downloaded from Cica. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to
work on it's own, but needs some more files that I don't have. I want to run
GhostScript both in Windows 3.1 and in MS-DOS on a 386 PC (I understand there's
versions for both environments). What are all the files I need to download and
where can I get them? Any info would be appeciated.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve W Brewer rewerB W evetS
[email protected] ude.ellivsiuol.xvyklu@504832lc | 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / [email protected] / 12:07 am Apr 15, 1993 /
Also, you need to consider our legal system. Since any of these things
CAN be lethal, you are going to have a hard time explaining why you applied
lethal force when you DIDN'T think it was necessary. (If you thought lethal
force was necessary, you wouldn't be using rubber bullets, would you?) Ouch.
If you are justified in shooting them at all, you are justified in using
the best self defense ammunition you can get your hands on. It might actually
IMPROVE the legal outcome.
This is why hollow points hold up in court. They are safer for you, safer
for innocent by standers, (don't as a rule go through the perp) and actually
safer for the perp. If you are using military hard ball, you may have to
shoot him 'MANY' times, where one or two hollow points might stop him and
do the job. As a rule, the fewer wound channels, the better the chance
for his surviving the incident. | 16 | talk.politics.guns |
I am selling my Global Village Teleport 2400 bps modem w/send fax. It
connects to the mac through the ADB port. The software for sending
faxes is included. I am asking $90. However, I will consider other
reasonable offers. Please E-Mail me.
Dave | 4 | comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Can one develop inner-ear problems from too much flying? I hear that pilots
and steward/esses have a limit as to the maximum number of flying hours --
what are these limits? What are the main problems associated with too many
long-haul (over 4 hours) trips? | 13 | sci.med |
I would like to know what people's opinions are about the
"real world" differences are between a C650 with and without
a coprocessor...
I don't use anything like Mathamatica, Maple, etc. I don't use
Spreadsheets (at least no sheets with complicated anything), I
don't use 3D CAD apps (although I used to),
I DO: use 3D renderers, EXTENSIVE communications, I run a BBS,
I write software, I write papers, etc...
BTW, just for kicks, this is what I was told by my local Apple
Rep about upgrading a 68LC040 to a 69RC040 on a C650:
"Well, Apple built in an extra socket for the coprocessor chip.
That way, you just plug in the coprocessor, and it works."
I then heartily laughed and hung up the phone.
thanks,
-nate
| 4 | comp.sys.mac.hardware |
For Sale:
Turbo Pascal 5.5 - all original manuals and disks: $30 obo + shipping
Borland Paradox 3.5 with tall boxed manual set & Kallista desktop - all
original disks. $50 obo + shipping
Borland Paradox 4.0 - opened but never used. All manuals & disks.
$125 obo + shipping
Borland Quattro Pro 4.0 (DOS) all manuals & disks. $40 obo + shipping
E-mail or phone if interested.
John Hansen
(513) 257-6084 | 6 | misc.forsale |
A Unix tool of cryptographic significance is available
for anonymous ftp.
"agrep 2.0.4" -- a fast approximate pattern-matching tool
source code project available from:
cs.arizona.edu
in directory "agrep"
agrep is a very fast fuzzy search tool with a tremendous
number of powerful search options. The one most obviously
applicable to cryptography (key selection) is to be able to
specify the "similarity" of matches in the data.
For example say you make up a password/phrase of "qimwe7l".
Of course you rightly suspect that this key itself is not
in any dictionary or word list. But how *close* is it to
en entry that could be varied by some "crack" program to
brute-force search for it?
You use agrep to find out. Looking with argument for none,
one or two errors, no matches. Good so far. But
agrep -3 "qimwe7l" bigwordandphraselist
finds that the pattern "qimwe7l" is too close to the
pattern "imsel" (part of "himself" and a host of others),
to be of any cryptographic value as a key.
An error of level two corresponds to a simple transposition of
letters like "teh" for "the". A minimally acceptable password
would have to pass as *least* level 3 in order not immediately
ruled-out as even a remote possibility of being a good password.
(In real cryptographic use, my personal passphrases clear at
*least* level 8 on my rather large [>80 meg] word and phrase lists.)
And for searching for key words in human-typed data (lots o'
typos) the tool is unexcelled. For example, For example,
say I want to find out what people think about Gibson's
SF book "Neuromancer" in the huge SF-Lover's archives.
Even with an error distance specification as small as
of "1" I will find all those people who think the title
was "Necromancer" or other common typos. Why miss anything?
Also, the program can look for up to 30,000 patterns IN PARALLEL
at Boyer-Moore (sublinear) speeds. Great for a NSA wannabe
to look for your name, terrorists names, special Tagalog or
religious words, etc. in the news or e-mail spool directories.
You can even search for ciphertext by using, say, 30,000
random three-byte combinations and eliminate all texts that
don't score the X chi-square 'birthday' hits on message size Y.
You think some crypto-terrorist is try to foil you by changing
the pattern on you? No problem. Try agrep -p NSA to find
NSA, National Security Agency, NSecAg, No Such Agency,
National Scrabble Association, N*S*A, etc.
You can also specify "fixed" areas: looking for license
plate XYZ123 when you know that the letters are correct,
you might say:
agrep -2 <XYZ>123 licenseplatedatabase
will find all plates starting with XYZ with up to two errors
(addition, substitution, deletion) in the number area. You can
also "weight" the relative "cost" for substiutions, additions,
or deletion errors. For example, when searching DNA patterns
for a particular protein combination, you might know that
some kinds of damage cause the "A" nucelotide to drop out more
than other errors... you could adjust for this bias by setting
-Dc where you set the "deletion cost" to count as "c" errors.
A steganographic use (I even used "agrep -2 "<steg>eograp" E"
just now to find the correct spelling!) would be to intentionally
introduce errors of a certain type and magnitude into a plaintext
and then later recover the orginal it via an agrep pipe. Lots of
possibilities here when only outlaws can have ciphertext...
Also with agrep's powerful extraction options it makes it easy
to abstract the "hits" into a useful form. For example,
agrep -d "^From" 'PGP;(passphrase|Zimmerman|NSA)'
says output the entire mail record, delimited by 'From'
that contains 'PGP' and contains either 'passphrase',
'Zimmerman', or 'NSA'.
And agrep has been measured an order-of-magnitude faster
than the second-best similarity tool publicly available.
As usual, I will be glad to e-mail the source and docs
to those who reqest them by e-mail IF they cannot do
an anonymous FTP.
Get this now.
It is too powerful to stay in the hands of the NSA.
Grady Ward, vendor to the NSA (and proud of it)
| 11 | sci.crypt |
There are several products you might investigate. If you've got
$20,000 per seat and high-end hardware, Gain Momentum might be a good
choice. It isn't compatible with HyperCard, but has a similar
architecture (and *way* more functionality). I don't have contact
information, but they were recently purchased by Sybase who shouldn't
be too hard to find.
If you're running News on SPARC, check out HyperLook
([email protected]). It uses Postscript as a scripting language
which is good if you need to do lots of display oriented scripting,
but not so good for non-programmers. It was $995, last I heard.
You might also look at our product MetaCard. We're alpha-testing
direct importing of HyperCard stacks (we've even made the test release
available for anonymous FTP), so we're obviously the closest in
functionality. MetaCard runs on most UNIX workstations and costs
$495. Email to [email protected] for more details.
Scott
| 5 | comp.windows.x |
Ok if you are so right, name a few good examples that were brought up.
john | 7 | rec.autos |
Yep... Alchemy works fine on my Tseng400+DAC, but I think I remember
reading that it only displays in 15-bit or so. Of course, that's still 32K
colors which is nothing to sneeze at. Use the --v flag.
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Neal Miller | "Why not go mad?" | [email protected]
Clarkson University | - Ford Prefect | [email protected] | 1 | comp.graphics |
Once again, the Rockies bullpen fell apart. Andy Ashby pitched six (somewhat
shaky) innings giving up just one run. Then game the dreaded relief. Three
picthers combined to give up 3 runs (one each I believe) in the 7th inning
and blew the save opportunity. (Final was 4-2 vs Expos).
Despite their problems in the pen, I think the Rockies are a team that wont
be taken lightly. Going into today's game, the had the league's leading
hitter and RBI man (Galarraga), two of the leaders in stolen bases (Young
and Cole) and increasingly strong starting pitching.
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David Rex Wood -- [email protected] -- University of Colorado at Boulder | 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
Game two of the Detroit - Toronto series will be a rougher game. I believe
that Clark will be coming out hitting on all cylindars. I believe that Probert
will take exception to this and a fight between Clark and Probert will result.
I know this sounds kind of ridiculous, but I know game two Toronto will come
out hitting.
Any takers on this issue?
| 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
Yes, and what about Paul saying:
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
(Ephesians 4:26).
Obviously then, we can be angry w/o sinning.
Jon
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Jon Ogden - [email protected]
Motorola Cellular - Advanced Products Division
Voice: 708-632-2521 Data: 708-632-6086
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Apparently not. Many people complain about the confusion that
results from the filemanager/progman split. It's just a basic
flaw. | 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Did I claim that there was an absolute morality, or just an objective one? | 0 | alt.atheism |
And Boris Majorov has made a 1+1 year deal with Tappara. | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
I don't react to scallops, but did have discomforts with clam juice
served at (American) waterfront seafood bars. I don't know whether
the juice is homemade or from cans.
The following is my first encounter with the Chinese Restaurant
Syndrome. Ten years ago, about an hour after having Won Ton Soup I
collapsed in a chair with my face feeling puffed up, my scalp
tingling, my feet too weak to stand up. The symptoms lasted for about
20 minutes. Determined to find out the cause of my first reaction, I
went back to the Chinese restuarant and ordered the same dish. The
same thing happened. A quick look inside the kitchen revealed nothing
out of the ordinary. | 13 | sci.med |
Actually, this started as a great idea. Before steering-column
locks became popular, Saab installed a *gearshift* lock -- put the car
in reverse, remove the key, and the car *stays* in reverse!
Also, suppose you get into your car, and a thug comes up and
demands your keys at gunpoint. You hand them over, he gets in, and
HAS NO IDEA WHERE TO PUT THE KEY! At this, he will run away (or perhaps
shoot you anyway %-}). I heard this actually happened somewhere...
Btw, I hear that the Saab 900's new successor will have the
ignition on the console, between the seats, where it belongs. | 7 | rec.autos |
Oh, darn.
Okay, okay, let's stop slamming Ipser, and get on with making fun of other
people. | 18 | talk.politics.misc |
I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in
reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering
reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is
interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda.
| 17 | talk.politics.mideast |
This will be my last post ( promotion ) of the hockey pool.. I will
update the pool ( or try to ) every wednesday
Subject: Please join my hockey playoff pool.
Deadline for pool: Midnight Saturday
Rules: Read on
Cost: NONE
PRIZES: NONE
Send replies to : [email protected]
Note: if your entries is send by midnight saturday it will be accepted
please include your name
Rules to the ACME hockey playoff pool
Critierias
Pick 9 forwards ( as long as they are forwards LW=RW=C is okay)
Pick 6 defensemen
( arrange them in a lines, 3 forwards and two defense = 1 line
( and arranged them in line order , which of your players would
( play in the first line and which plays in the second line
Pick 1 designated playmaker
( can be any positions...try a defensemen )
Pick 1 designated scorer ( can be any positions )
Pick 1 goal-tender
Pick a team ( the one you think may win the cup )
*note: players can only be chosen once !
ie Cannot have Sakic as forward and again as designated passer
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Calculation of points:
( except for designated scorer and playmaker)
1 assist = 1 pt IXI 1 goal = 1 pt II
( for players in line 1, their pt totals will be *2 )
line 1 = pts * 2
line 2 = pts * 1.5
line 3 = pts * 1
1 win = 2 pt ( for goalies)
The team that wins the Cup = 10 pts
For the designated playmaker Designated
Calculation will be as follows Scorer:Goal = 3 pts
Every goal scored = 0.5 points Assists = 0.5 pts
Every assists = 2 points
In the event of a tie, the tie will be broken by unmodified
Goal totals and then by game winning goals
----SAMPLE-------------------------------------
eg designated scorer = Jeremy Roenick
Actual: G=12, A=10, Pts=22 Modified G=(12*3) + A=(10*0.5) = 41
.
designated playmaker = Steve Smith
Actual: G=1, A=11, Pts=12 Modified G=(1*0.5) + A=(11*2) = 22.5
.
line 1 = J Murphy(24)- G Courtnall(14)- M Messier(14)
Dave Manson(12)- Iafrate(7)
Total points = 142 points for that line!
| 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
I've just read Richard Langley's latest "Navstar GPS Constellation Status".
It states that the latest satellite was placed in Orbit Plane Position C-3.
There is already one satellite in that position. I know that it's almost
ten years since that satellite was launched but it's still in operation so
why not use it until it goes off?
Why not instead place the new satellite at B-4 since that position is empty
and by this measure have an almost complete GPS-constellation
(23 out of 24)?
/Thomas
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Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden | 14 | sci.space |
Wharf Wrat rites:
Ever' once in a while, you still see a reference to the super-
slab system as "Interstate and Defense Highways." But whether
the military has much of anything that goes 80 on the road is
another matter. A few of their most whomped-up diesel trucks,
maybe, load permitting. The military surplus stuff I've
driven -- "Jeep Classic" (Willys/Kaiser/AMC, pre-independent
suspension) and Power Wagons (Slant 6 in a crew-cab pickup)
weren't exactly congenial at highway speeds, and I wouldn't
swear any of them would do 80 except as a bedload on a semi.
You just gotta love the standard military tire, too, or at
least the one they used to use. Designed circa WW II as a
compromise between traction in icky sticky goo and longevity
on sharp rocks and so forth, it's quite ill-adapted to high
speeds on civilian roadways. For those who can't remember
what they look like, imagine a mountain-bike tire with a
road rib in the middle, scaled up to car size. Oh, yeah, and
narrow too. One of the standard mods for civilizing a surplus
Jeep was to install tires and wheels that reflected some of
the advancements made in ride and handling since D-Day.
But the point made by Wharfie and others still stands: if
you're going to do 80 in a mil-spec '58 Power Wagon (or a
Jeep or a tank transporter or other unwieldy rubber-tired
vehicle) anywhere, I'd suggest the American interstate.
Your safe speed there tends to be limited more by your car
and skills, road maintenance, and the swarms of fools around
you; the roads were designed for going like the devil.
Naturally, neither I nor my employer advocates unsafe or
unlawful driving. | 7 | rec.autos |
I generally find that after two or three decent hits of nitrous, my riding
improves enormously. Drinking is silly, your breath smells, it costs lots
of money and the pigs can detect it with their machines. NO2 works for me,
try it.
Nick (the like wow, um, far out, er, Biker) DoD 1069 Concise um errr....
M'like um, er Lud. | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
# Are there any places in the Bible where the commandment "Thou
# shalt not kill" is specifically applied? That is, where someone
# refrained from killing because he remembered the commandment.
No, for the excellent reason that there IS no such commandment.
Aside from that, please note that the Abrahamic literary tradition
is strong on narrative, light on dialog, and virtually nonexistent
w/r/t introspection. | 19 | talk.religion.misc |
Let me begin by saying I think this is the world's first religion to use
the net as its major recruitment medium. Therefore, even if this
religion does not take off, its founding members will be very important
historically as this method of soliciting membership will eventually become
common.
The basis of this religion is to apply various aspects of current conventional
morality to the characters in Genesis and Exodus but assume that the Bible's
accounts of the facts and historical events is correct.
For example,
Story of Adam and Eve:
Adam and Eve are in Garden of Eden naked and ignorant. Have unlimited
supply of food provided, but no clothing, jobs, or knowledge. God says
not to eat fruit of tree of knowledge. They do anyway, then try to hide
in bushes. God finds them and forces them out of Garden.
(There are several different stories on what they were doing while naked in
the bushes that might have angered God.)
Traditional Philosophy:
1. The only reason you need knowledge or a job is to eat. If someone else will
provide you with food, then you can be stupid and unemployed and it's OK. This
is why married women usually didn't work until recent decades.
2. Authority figures, such as God, whoever was behind the Vietnam War, Hitler
and slaveowners, are always right and should be blindly followed without
question by ordinary people, who can't make decisions for themselves.
Interpretation of events based on Traditional Philosophy:
They were not supposed to eat the fruit. They should have done whatever God
told them to. Like small children, they had their needs provided for and were
obligated to do whatever their "Father" said to. Being forced to leave the
Garden and work in order to obtain food was a punishment.
Lessons from Traditional Interpretation:
1. Ignorance is good. Knowledge is bad, but tempting.
2. Having food provided for you for nothing (read "welfare") is ideal. Get-
ting a job and feeding yourself with what you earn is punishment.
3. Public nudity is good. Covering up is bad.
4. Authority figures are intrinsically right. Normal people are dumb and
should do whatever they are told without question. They should not think for
themselves.
5. People in subordinate positions are especially obligated to refrain from
learning. For example, it should be illegal for slaves to learn to read.
1990's philosophy:
1. People should seek education and employment outside the home, unless
named "Hillary Clinton" or "Murphy Brown".
2. People should use common sense. They should not kill other people
(binding of Issac, wars, Holocaust, etc.) just because they are told to.
Interpretation of events based on current philosophy:
They were supposed to eat the fruit. God gave wanted them to seek knowledge
rather than be handed it on a silver platter. Once they had gained knowledge
and (by seeking it) showed their ability to make mature decisions for them-
selves, they no longer needed to be treated like little children and were
REWARDED by being allowed into the "real world."
Lessons from new interpretation:
1. Ignorance is bad. Knowledge is good, but must be sought.
2. Having food provided for you for nothing (read "welfare") is at best
a temporary measure. Getting a job and feeding yourself with what you earn
is ideal.
3. Public nudity is bad. Covering up is good.
4. Authority figures are often wrong. Normal people are intelligent and
should consider whether the instructions are really a good idea and "alter
or abolish" bad governments. They should think for themselves.
5. People in subordinate decisions are often discouraged from knowledge
but should seek it anyway, and all the harder. For example, poor children
without good schools should work especially hard in order to make a better
life for their children (and themselves).
I have tentatively named this new philosophy "The Church of Eveism" because
Eve's decision to eat the apple is man[sic]kind's first good decision, instead
of its first bad one, as traditionally believed. She is therefore clearly
a protagonist. God at first appears evil, for telling people not to seek
knowledge but on deeper analysis is also a protagonist. As God rewarded the
decision to defy him, and provided the tree in the first place, the intention
and desire were clearly to have the knowledge be obtained, but to delay it
until it was actively sought.
---End serious discussion. Begin humor.--
Save this post to disk (or file server). Someday it will be considered the
most important writing since the 10 Commandments. You want an original copy.
Stay tuned for the RFD on soc.religion.eveism...
Can I get a tax deduction for money I donate to this organization?
--Return to serious discussion when posting follow-ups.-- | 19 | talk.religion.misc |
Does that imply that people who take marriage vows but aren't sincere
are not married? | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
ONLY if you weight Americans equal to SAlvadorans. | 19 | talk.religion.misc |
Again, from my alcohol server's class:
The absolute *most* that eating before drinking can do is slow the absorption
down by 15 minutes. That gives me time to eat, slam one beer, and ride like
hell to try to make it home in the 10 minutes left after paying, donning
helmet & gloves, starting bike...
| 8 | rec.motorcycles |
Hi all!
I've just recently become seriously hooked on POV, but there are a few
thing that I want to do that POV won't do (penumbral shadows, dispersion
etc.). I was just wondering: what other shareware/freeware raytracers are
out there, and what can they do? I've heard of Vivid and Polyray and
Rayshade and so on, but I'd rather no wade through several hundred pages of
manual for each trying to work out what their capabilities are. Can anyone
help? A comparison of tracing speed between each program would also be
mucho useful.
Mark.
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Mark Mackey | Life is a terminal disease and oxygen is
[email protected] | addictive. Are _you_ hooked? | 1 | comp.graphics |
If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the
article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he
got his drinking money from?
I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is
looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out
of hand or of shoddy journalism.
If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they
should put the money in trust. They don't, so I would assume it's
perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that
way myself. | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
Well, I could become a fan ... (-;
Seriously, this news coming since Thursday has effectively robbed the
Islanders and the Devils of any airtime on sports talk shows almost
everywhere that I've sampled ... in fact, the playoffs almost don't
exist now. )-; Ranger fans calling in to WFAN or to New York One's
midnight sports talk were in a mix of fury over this season and near-
orgasm over Keenan's hiring. (Summarizing: Keenan is a winner and
will give the Broadway Bums 'da business' in pursuing the next Cup
chase ...)
This will be an interesting combination to watch ... Keenan has been
paid enough money to put up and shut up and just be a coach, but his
advice on any player moves will be listened to closely. A lot of big
player moves will happen --- remember that Keenan got rid of Denis
Savard. The country club days are over ...
If Paramount had given Smith an earlier sign of support and offered
Keenan the big money to put-up-and-shut-up back in January, the
Rangers might not be heading for golf now ...
One of Keenan's first statements was a reaffirmation that Mark Messier
will be the team's captain.
By then, Smith might have some bargains on Keenan's advice ... like
maybe unloading Phil Bourque for Tie Domi ... (-;
gld | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
I'm looking for graphics (clipart, bmp, gif...) of anything relating to ophthalmology (I know it's a weird request). Anything such as eyeglasses,
contact lenses, eyes...would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
| 1 | comp.graphics |
Somewhere (ftp.cica.indiana.edu or SIMTEL20 mirror) there is a program
called winlogo.zip that does the trick. It works great. I believe the
reason why you can't change the files you mentioned is that the logo is
actually imbeded into the windows executable (Somebody please
correct/expand on this)
-Eric | 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
[Several people were involved in trying to figure out who first used
the phrase "God-shaped hole". --clh]
"There is a God shaped vacuum in all of us" (or something to that effect) is
generally attributed to Blaise Pascal.
What I want to know is how can you have a God shaped vacuum inside of you if
God is in fact infinite (or omnipresent)?
========================================================================= | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
In another post-game interview, LaRussa claimed that Sparky was "the
best manager in basebal," explaining that to be part of the history
of Sparky softened the blow of losing.
Go Tigers!!!
Tim
Timothy Law Snyder
Department of Computer Science
Reiss 225
Georgetown University
Washington, DC 20057 | 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
Now you know why I am just a DOD member. I like bikes and clubs but
the politics and other b*llsh*t is a real turn-off.
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"Tuba" (Irwin) "I honk therefore I am" CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
[email protected] DoD #0826 (R75/6) | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
Does any one out there listen to WFAN? For those of you who do
not know what I am talking about, it is an all sports radio
staion in New York. On a clear night the signal reaches up and
down the East coast. In particular, I want to know how Len
Berman and Mike Lupica's show is. I go to school in Virginia
so I can't listen when there are on during the day. Just
wondering.
Jonathan Alboum
UVA | 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
Didn't Paul write that if the Resurrection is not true, we are the
biggest fools of all? However, whether you believe in Christ or not,
His teachings (e.g. love your brotherman as yourself), even if only
followed at a secular level, could do a great deal to alleviate some of
the problems we see today in the world. Even when I was a rabid atheist
I couldn't deny that. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
The SC1/SC2 has a shorter wheel base than the SL/SL1/SL2/SW1/SW2, just a
thought. Ithink your right though......
| 7 | rec.autos |
Is there another book. I have this one and don't find it helpfull in
learning Spice. It would make a good reference book but I found it lacking
for learning Spice. Are there any others?
Craig
| 12 | sci.electronics |
I've seen a listing of a Seagate 1G IDE hard drive.
Windows NT already supports SCSI, a variety of adapters, for disk,
tape, and CD-ROM. So does OS/2 2.0. | 3 | comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware |
Wasn't there a "plain" flavor too? They looked more like some
kind of extruded industrial product than food -- perfectly
smooth cylinders with perfectly smooth ends. Kinda scary.
An other post described it as like a "microwaved Tootsie Roll" --
which captures the texture pretty well. As for taste, they were
like candy, only not very sweet -- does that make sense? I recall
liking them for their texture, not taste. I guess I have well
developed texture buds.
It was obligatory to eat a few while watching "Captain Scarlet".
Does anybody else remember _that_, as long as we're off the
topic of space?
Shag
-- | 14 | sci.space |
backdesk.zip is on CICA, but I'm not sure of the whole directory.
Another to throw into the running is topdesk. It is alsow on CICA, but
I'm not sure where. It is more complicated then backdesk, but I've found
it to be more stable and more usefull. I recomend it to people who
have already used a virtual desktop. Oh yeh, It's free.
Copyright Microsoft and Sanford Staab.
| 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Actually the reasons you don't see so many cooling towers at fossil plants are
1) fossil units (multiple units per plant) are generally smaller than
nuclear plants. 300 MWe seemed to be a very popular size when many
fossil plants were built. The average nuclear plant is 1000 MWe. 2) many
fossil plants were grandfathered when water discharge regulations were
adopted ("why those old dirt burners can't harm anything, let 'em go.").
3) powered draft cooling towers, low enough to the ground to be generally
not visible from off-site, are quite popular with fossil plants. 4) fossil
plants used to get much less regulatory attention than nuclears.
Actually the condensing environment is essentially the same for plants
of similar size. The issues are the same regardless of where the
heat comes from. Condensers are run at as high a vacuum as possible in
order to reduce aerodynamic drag on the turbine. The condenser pressure is
normally water's vapor pressure at the condensing temperature. It is
desirable that the steam exhaust be free of water droplets because
moisture in the steam causes severe erosion damage to the turbine
low pressure blades and because entrained water moving at high velocity
causes erosion of the condenser tubes. The coldest and thus lowest
pressure condensing environment is always the best.
A related issue is that of pumping the condensate from the hotwell (where
the water ends up after dripping off the condenser tubes.) Since the
condenser is at a very low pressure, the only force driving the
condensate into the hotwell pumps is gravity. If the condensate is too
hot or the gravity head is too low, the condensate will reflash into
steam bubbles and cause the condensate pumps to cavitate. This is a
particularly destructive form of cavitation that is to be avoided at all
costs.
The hotwell pumps are located in the lowest point in the plant
in order to provide a gravity head to the pumps. How much lower
they must be is a function of how hot the water is allowed to get in
the hotwell. Typically hotwell temperatures run between 100 and 120
degrees depending on the temperature of the river water (this term is
used to describe the river grade water even when the cooling tower
system is operating in closed loop mode and essentially no river water
is pumped.) When the river water temperature is high in the summer,
operators will typically allow the hotwell level to rise in order
to provide more gravity head. There is a tradeoff involved since higher
hotwell levels will encroach onto the condensing tubes and reduce the
condenser area.
At least in the East and elsewhere where moisture actually exists in the
air :-), the river water will almost always be cooler than the discharge
water from the cooling towers. The temperature of the discharge water
from the cooling towers is set by the ambient air temperature and
humidity. It is very rare in the East to hear of actual river water
temperatures exceeding 70 degrees. A vast difference from the typical
"95-95" days (95 degrees, 95% humidity) we see routinely in the East.
It is not unusual, particularly where the econazis have been successful
in clamping rigid discharge water temperature limits on a plant, for the
plant to have to reduce the firing rate when the air temperature gets
too high and the condenser cannot handle the heat load without excessive
pressure.
True. Actually secondary plant (the part that makes electricity and
feeds feedwater to the boiler) water chemistry has been the bastard
stepchild until recently and has not gotten the respect it deserves.
The plant chemists have just in the past decade or so fully understood
the costs of impure water. By "impure", I mean water with a few
dozen extra micromho of conductivity and/or a few PPM of dissolved
oxygen. Secondary water is now typically the most pure one will
find outside the laboratory.
John | 12 | sci.electronics |
If I'm not mistaken, this is the usual sort of precaution against loss of
communications. That timer is counting down continuously; if it ever hits
zero, that means Galileo hasn't heard from Earth in a suspiciously long
time and it may be Galileo's fault... so it's time to go into a fallback
mode that minimizes chances of spacecraft damage and maximizes chances
of restoring contact. I don't know exactly what-all Galileo does in such
a situation, but a common example is to switch receivers, on the theory
that maybe the one you're listening with has died. | 14 | sci.space |
Could you explain what any of the above pertains to? Is this a position
statement on something or typing practice?
--
"Satan and the Angels do not have freewill.
They do what god tells them to do. " | 0 | alt.atheism |
OTOH, some of us get lucky-- I've unplugged and replugged SCSI and ADB
quite often, and never blown anything. I blew out the ADB by shorting
the cable, though.
| 4 | comp.sys.mac.hardware |
Sorry for bothering with a request almost irrelevant to anyone except for me:
Could some kind soul provide me with the phone number of
wycliffe center
horsley green high wycomb
bucks hp 14 3 xl
I want to surprise a friend of mine staying there, but I don't have the number.
thanks a lot in advance
Gerhard | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
The following is no longer for sale, it has been sold.
-Textronics Type 611 Storage Display (screen dim. 6.5"x8.5)
-Textronics TM503 base with three PG502 250MHz pulse generators.
-Textronics 6289A Adj. DC power supply 0-40volts 0-1.5 amps
-Keithley Instruments Picoammeter
-(3) Analogic 3 1/2 Digit panal mount voltmeters
**************************************************************
Still for sale,
-Hewlett Packard 180A Oscilloscope with 180AA four channel 50 MHz vertical
Amplifier and 1822A time base and delay generator. Best offer over $300
-(1) Analogic 4 1/2 Digit panal mount voltmeter, powered by 5 VDC,
Model AN2574 1X3P, Same Dimensions as above, ----$55 +shipping---- | 6 | misc.forsale |
Archive-name: typing-injury-faq/keyboards
Version: $Revision: 5.11 $ $Date: 1993/04/13 01:20:43 $
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Answers To Frequently Asked Questions about Keyboard Alternatives
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The Alternative Keyboard FAQ
Copyright 1992,1993 By Dan Wallach <[email protected]>
The opinions in here are my own, unless otherwise mentioned, and do not
represent the opinions of any organization or vendor.
[Current distribution: sci.med.occupational, sci.med, comp.human-factors,
{news,sci,comp}.answers, and e-mail to [email protected],
[email protected], and [email protected]]
Changes since previously distributed versions are marked with change ||
bars to the right of the text, as is this paragraph. ||
Information in this FAQ has been pieced together from phone conversations,
e-mail, and product literature. While I hope it's useful, the information
in here is neither comprehensive nor error free. If you find something
wrong or missing, please mail me, and I'll update my list. Thanks.
All phone numbers, unless otherwise mentioned, are U.S.A. phone numbers.
All monetary figures, unless otherwise mentioned, are U.S.A. dollars.
Products covered in this FAQ:
Using a PC's keyboard on your workstation / compatibility issues
Apple Computer, Inc.
Key Tronic FlexPro
Dragon Systems
The Bat
DataHand
Comfort Keyboard System
Kinesis Ergonomic Keyboard
Maltron
The Tony! Ergonomic KeySystem
The Vertical
The MIKey
The Wave
The Minimal Motion Computer Access System
Twiddler
Half-QWERTY
Microwriter
Braille 'n Speak
Octima
AccuKey
GIF pictures of many of these products are available via anonymous ftp
from soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury. (128.32.149.19) I highly
recommend getting the pictures. They tell much more than I can fit
into this file.
If you can't ftp, send me mail, and I'll uuencode and mail them to you
(they're pretty big...)
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Using a PC's keyboard on your workstation / compatibility issues
Mini outline:
1. Spoofing a keyboard over the serial port
2. X terminals
3. NeXT
4. Silicon Graphics
5. IBM RS/6000
6. Other stuff
1. Spoofing a keyboard over the serial port
If you've got a proprietary computer which uses its own keyboard
(Sun, HP, DEC, etc.) then you're going to have a hard time finding
a vendor to sell you a compatible keyboard. If your workstation
runs the X window system, you're in luck. You can buy a cheap used
PC, hook your expensive keyboard up to it, and run a serial cable
to your workstation. Then, run a program on the workstation to read
the serial port and generate fake X keyboard events.
The two main programs I've found to do this are KT and A2X.
a2x is a sophisticated program, capable of controlling the mouse, and
even moving among widgets on the screen. It requires a server
extension (XTEST, DEC-XTRAP, or XTestExtension1). To find out if your
server can do this, run 'xdpyinfo' and see if any of these strings
appear in the extensions list. If your server doesn't have this,
you may want to investigate compiling X11R5, patchlevel 18 or later,
or bugging your vendor.
kt is a simpler program, which should work with unextended X servers.
Another program called xsendevent also exists, but I haven't seen it.
Both a2x and kt are available via anonymous ftp from soda.berkeley.edu.
2. X terminals
Also, a number of X terminals (NCD, Tektronics, to name a few) use
PC-compatible keyboards. If you have an X terminal, you may be all
set. Try it out with a normal PC keyboard before you go through the
trouble of buying an alternative keyboard. Also, some X terminals add
extra buttons -- you may need to keep your original keyboard around
for the once-in-a-blue-moon that you have to hit the Setup key.
3. NeXT
NeXT had announced that new NeXT machines will use the Apple Desktop
Bus, meaning any Mac keyboard will work. Then, they announced they
were cancelling their hardware production. If you want any kind of
upgrade for an older NeXT, do it now!
4. Silicon Graphics
Silicon Graphics has announced that their newer machines (Indigo^2 and
beyond) will use standard PC-compatible keyboards and mice. I don't
believe this also applies to the Power Series machines. It's not
possible to upgrade an older SGI to use PC keyboards, except by
upgrading the entire machine. Contact your SGI sales rep for more
details.
5. IBM RS/6000
IBM RS/6000 keyboards are actually similar to normal PC keyboards. ||
Unfortunately, you can't just plug one in. You need two things: a ||
cable converter to go from the large PC keyboard connector to the ||
smaller PS/2 style DIN-6, and a new device driver for AIX. Believe ||
it or not, IBM wrote this device driver recently, I used it, and it ||
works. However, they don't want me to redistribute it. I've been ||
told Judy Hume (512) 823-6337 is a potential contact. If you learn ||
anything new, please send me e-mail. ||
6. Other stuff
Some vendors here (notably: Health Care Keyboard Co. and AccuCorp)
support some odd keyboard types, and may be responsive to your
queries regarding supporting your own weird computer. If you can
get sufficient documention about how your keyboard works (either
from the vendor, or with a storage oscilloscope), you may be in
luck. Contact the companies for more details.
Apple Adjustable Keyboard
Apple Computer, Inc.
Sales offices all over the place.
Availability: February, 1993
Price: $219
Supports: Mac only
Apple has recently announced their new split-design keyboard. The
keyboard has one section for each hand, and the sections rotate
backward on a hinge. The sections do not tilt upward. The keys are
arranged in a normal QWERTY fashion.
The main foldable keyboard resembles a normal Apple Keyboard.
A separate keypad contains all the extended key functions.
The keyboard also comes with matching wrist rests, which are not
directly attachable to the keyboard.
As soon as soda comes back up, I'll have a detailed blurb from
TidBITS available there.
FlexPro Keyboard
Key Tronic
Phone: 800-262-6006
Possible contact: Denise Razzeto, 509-927-5299
Sold by many clone vendors and PC shops
Availability: Spring, 1993 (?)
Price: $489 (?)
Supports: PC only (highly likely)
Keytronic apparently showed a prototype keyboard at Comdex. It's
another split-design. One thumb-wheel controls the tilt of both
the left and right-hand sides of the main alphanumeric section.
The arrow keys and keypad resemble a normal 101-key PC keyboard.
Keytronic makes standard PC keyboards, also, so this product will
probably be sold through their standard distribution channels.
DragonDictate-30K (and numerous other Dragon products)
Dragon Systems, Inc.
320 Nevada Street
Newton, MA 02160
Phone: 800-TALK-TYP or 617-965-5200
Fax: 617-527-0372
Shipping: Now.
Price: DragonDictate-30K -- $4995 (end user system)
DragonWriter 1000 -- $1595 / $2495 (end user/developer system)
various other prices for service contracts, site licenses, etc.
Compatibility: 386 (or higher) PC only
(3rd party support for Mac)
Free software support for X windows is also available -- your
PC with Dragon hardware talks to your workstation over a
serial cable or network. The program is called a2x, and is
available via anonymous ftp:
soda.berkeley.edu:pub/typing-injury/a2x.tar.Z
export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/a2x.tar.Z (most current)
If you want to use your Dragon product with X windows, you may want
to ask for Peter Cohen, an salesman at Dragon who knows more about
this sort of thing.
Dragon Systems sells a number of voice recognition products.
Most (if not all) of them seem to run on PC's and compatibles
(including PS/2's and other MicroChannel boxes). They sell you
a hardware board and software which sits in front of a number
of popular word processors and spreadsheets.
Each user `trains' the system to their voice, and there are provisions
to correct the system when it makes mistakes, on the fly. Multiple
people can use it, but you have to load a different personality file
for each person. You still get the use of your normal keyboard, too.
On the DragonDictate-30K you need to pause 1/10th sec between
words. Dragon claims typical input speeds of 30-40 words per minute.
I don't have specs on the DragonWriter 1000.
The DragonDictate-30K can recognize 30,000 words at a time.
The DragonWriter 1000 can recognize (you guessed it) 1000 words at a time.
Dragon's technology is also part of the following products
(about which I have no other info):
Microsoft Windows Sound System (Voice Pilot)
IBM VoiceType
Voice Navigator II (by Articulate Systems -- for Macintosh)
EMStation (by Lanier Voice Products -- "emergency medical workstation")
The Bat
old phone number: 504-336-0033
current phone number: 504-766-8082
Infogrip, Inc.
812 North Blvd.
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70802, U.S.A.
Ward Bond (main contact)
David Vicknair (did the Unix software) 504-766-1029
Shipping: Now.
Supports: Mac, IBM PC (serial port -- native keyboard port version
coming very soon...). No other workstations supported, but serial
support for Unix with X Windows has been written. PC and Mac are
getting all the real attention from the company.
A chording system. One hand is sufficient to type everything.
The second hand is for redundancy and increased speed.
Price:
$495 (dual set -- each one is a complete keyboard by itself)
$295 (single)
(cheaper prices were offered at MacWorld Expo as a show-special.)
DataHand 602-860-8584
Industrial Innovations, Inc.
10789 North 90th Street
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260-6727, U.S.A.
Mark Roggenbuck (contact)
Supports: PC and Mac
Shipping: In beta. "Big backlog" -- could take 3+ months.
Price: $2000/unit (1 unit == 2 pods). (new price!) ||
Each hand has its own "pod". Each of the four main fingers has five
switches each: forward, back, left, right, and down. The thumbs have
a number of switches. Despite appearances, the key layout resembles
QWERTY, and is reported to be no big deal to adapt to. The idea is
that your hands never have to move to use the keyboard. The whole pod
tilts in its base, to act as a mouse.
(see also: the detailed review, written by Cliff Lasser <[email protected]>
available via anonymous ftp from soda.berkeley.edu)
Comfort Keyboard System 414-253-4131
FAX: 414-253-4177
Health Care Keyboard Company
N82 W15340 Appleton Ave
Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin 53051 U.S.A.
Jeffrey Szmanda (Vice President -- contact)
Shipping: Now.
Supports: PC (and Mac???) ||
Planned future support:
IBM 122-key layout (3270-style, I believe)
Sun Sparc
Decision Data
Unisys UTS-40
Silicon Graphics
Others to be supported later. The hardware design is relatively
easy for the company to re-configure.
Price: $690, including one system "personality module". ||
The idea is that one keyboard works with everything. You purchase
"compatibility modules", a new cord, and possibly new keycaps, and
then you can move your one keyboard around among different machines.
It's a three-piece folding keyboard. The layout resembles the
standard 101-key keyboard, except sliced into three sections. Each
section is on a "custom telescoping universal mount." Each section
independently adjusts to an infinite number of positions allowing each
individual to type in a natural posture. You can rearrange the three
sections, too (have the keypad in the middle if you want). Each
section is otherwise normal-shaped (i.e.: you put all three sections
flat, and you have what looks like a normal 101-key keyboard).
Kinesis Ergonomic Keyboard 206-455-9220
206-455-9233 (fax)
Kinesis Corporation
15245 Pacific Highway South,
Seattle, Washington 98188, U.S.A.
Shirley Lunde (VP Marketing -- contact)
Shipping: Now.
Supports: PC. Mac and Sun Sparc in the works.
Price: $690. Volume discounts available. The $690 includes one foot
pedal, one set of adhesive wrist pads, and a TypingTutor program.
An additional foot pedal and other accessories are extra.
The layout has a large blank space in the middle, even though the
keyboard is about the size of a normal PC keyboard -- slightly
smaller. Each hand has its own set of keys, laid out to minimize
finger travel. Thumb buttons handle many major functions (enter,
backspace, etc.).
You can remap the keyboard in firmware (very nice when software won't
allow the reconfig).
Foot pedals are also available, and can be mapped to any key on the
keyboard (shift, control, whatever).
Maltron (+44) 081 398 3265 (United Kingdom)
P.C.D. Maltron Limited
15 Orchard Lane
East Molesey
Surrey KT8 OBN
England
Pamela and Stephen Hobday (contacts)
U.S. Distributor:
Jim Barrett
Applied Learning Corp.
1376 Glen Hardie Road
Wayne, PA 19087
Phone: 215-688-6866
Supports: PC's, Amstrad 1512/1640, BBC B, BBC Master,
Mac apparently now also available
Price: 375 pounds
$735 shipped in the U.S.A. (basically, converted price + shipping)
The cost is less for BBC computers, and they have a number of
accessories, including carrying cases, switch boxes to use both
your normal keyboard and the Maltron, an articulated arm that
clamps on to your table, and training 'courses' to help you learn
to type on your Maltron.
You can also rent a keyboard for 10 pounds/week + taxes.
U.S. price: $120/month, and then $60 off purchase if you want it.
Shipping: Now (in your choice of colors: black or grey)
Maltron has four main products -- a two-handed keyboard, two one-handed
keyboards, and a keyboard designed for handicapped people to control with
a mouth-stick.
The layout allocates more buttons to the thumbs, and is curved to
bring keys closer to the fingers. A separate keypad is in the middle.
AccuKey
AccuCorp, Inc.
P.O. Box 66
Christiansburg, VA 24073, U.S.A.
703-961-3576 (Pete Rosenquist -- Sales)
703-961-2001 (Larry Langley -- President)
Shipping: Now.
Supports: PC, Mac, IBM 3270, Sun Sparc, and TeleVideo 935 and 955.
Cost: $495 + shipping.
Doesn't use conventional push-keys. Soft rubber keys, which rock
forward and backward (each key has three states), make chords for
typing keys. Learning time is estimated to be 2-3 hours, for getting
started, and maybe two weeks to get used to it.
Currently, the thumbs don't do anything, although a thumb-trackball
is in the works.
The company claims it takes about a week of work to support a
new computer. They will be happy to adapt their keyboard to
your computer, if possible.
Twiddler 516-474-4405, or 800-638-2352
Handykey
141 Mt. Sinai Ave.
Mt. Sinai, NY 11766
Chris George (President)
Shipping: now.
Price: $199.
Supports: PC only. Mac and X Windows in the works.
The Twiddler is both a keyboard and a mouse, and it fits in one hand.
You type via finger chords. Shift, control, etc. are thumb buttons.
When in "mouse" mode, tilting the Twiddler moves the mouse, and mouse
buttons are on your fingers.
The cabling leaves your normal keyboard available, also.
Most applications work, and Windows works fine. DESQview has trouble.
GEOWorks also has trouble -- mouse works, keyboard doesn't.
Braille 'n Speak 301-879-4944
Blazie Engineering
3660 Mill Green Rd.
Street, Md 21154, U.S.A.
(information provided by Doug Martin <[email protected]>)
The Braille N Speak uses any of several Braille codes for entering
information: Grade I, Grade II, or computer Braille. Basically,
letters a-j are combinations of dots 1, 2, 4, and 5. Letters k-t are
the same combinations as a-j with dot 3 added. Letters u, v, x, y, and
z are like a-e with dots 3 and 6 added. (w is unique because Louis
Braille didn't have a w in the French alphabet.)
The Tony! Ergonomic KeySystem 415-969-8669
Tony Hodges
The Tony! Corporation
2332 Thompson Court
Mountain View, CA 94043, U.S.A.
Supports: Mac, PC, IBM 3270, Sun, and DEC.
Shipping: ???
Price: $625 (you commit now, and then you're in line to buy the
keyboard. When it ships, if it's cheaper, you pay the cheaper price.
If it's more expensive, you still pay $625)
The Tony! should allow separate positioning of every key, to allow
the keyboard to be personally customized. A thumb-operated mouse
will also be available.
The Vertical
Contact: Jeffrey Spencer or Stephen Albert, 619-454-0000
P.O. Box 2636
La Jolla, CA 92038, U.S.A.
Supports: no info available, probably PC's
Available: Summer, 1993
Price: $249
The Vertical Keyboard is split in two halves, each pointing straight up.
The user can adjust the width of the device, but not the tilt of each
section. Side-view mirrors are installed to allow users to see their
fingers on the keys.
The MIKey 301-933-1111
Dr. Alan Grant
3208 Woodhollow Drive
Chevy Chase, Maryland 20815, U.S.A.
Shipping: As of July, 1992: "Should be Available in One Year."
Supports: PC, Mac (maybe)
Price: $200 (estimated)
The keyboard is at a fixed angle, and incorporates a built-in mouse
operated by the thumbs. Function keys are arranged in a circle at
the keyboard's left.
The Wave (was: 213-) 310-644-6100
FAX: 310-644-6068
Iocomm International Technology
12700 Yukon Avenue
Hawthorne, California 90250, U.S.A.
Robin Hunter (contact -- in sales)
Cost: $99.95 + $15 for a set of cables
Supports: PC only.
Shipping: now.
Iocomm also manufactures "ordinary" 101-key keyboard (PC/AT) and
84-key keyboard (PC/XT), so make sure you get the right one.
The one-piece keyboard has a built-in wrist-rest. It looks *exactly*
like a normal 101-key PC keyboard, with two inches of built-in wrist
rest. The key switch feel is reported to be greatly improved.
The Minimal Motion Computer Access System 508-263-6437
508-263-6537 (fax)
Equal Access Computer Technology
Dr. Michael Weinreigh
39 Oneida Rd.
Acton, MA 01720, U.S.A.
Price: InfoGrip-compatible: "a few hundred dollars" + a one-handed Bat
For their own system: $300 (DOS software) + "a few hundred dollars"
Shipping: these are custom-made, so an occupational therapist would
make moulds/do whatever to make it for you. You can buy one now.
Supports: PC only, although the InfoGrip-compatible version might
work with a Mac.
In a one-handed version, there is exactly one button per finger. In a
two-handed version, you get four buttons per finger, and the thumbs
don't do anything. You can also get one-handed versions with three
thumb buttons -- compatible with the InfoGrip Bat. Basically, get it
any way you want.
They also have a software tutorial to help you learn the chording.
Works on a PC under DOS, not Windows. Planning on Macintosh and
PC/Windows support. No work has been done on a Unix version, yet.
Half-QWERTY (Canada) 416-749-3124
The Matias Corporation
178 Thistledown Boulevard
Rexdale, Ontario, Canada
M9V 1K1
E-mail: [email protected]
Supports: Mac and PC (but, not Windows)
Demo for anonymous ftp: explorer.dgp.toronto.edu:/pub/Half-QWERTY ||
Price: $129.95 (higher in Canada, quantity discounts available)
Shipping: Now.
This thing is purely software. No hardware at all.
The software will mirror the keyboard when you hold down the space
bar, allowing you type one-handed.
Octima (Israel) 972-4-5322844
FAX: (+972) 3 5322970
Ergoplic Keyboards Ltd.
P.O. Box 31
Kiryat Ono 55100, Israel
(info from Mandy Jaffe-Katz <[email protected]>)
A one-handed keyboard.
Microwriter AgendA (U.K.) (+44) 276 692 084
FAX: (+44) 276 691 826
Microwriter Systems plc
M.S.A. House
2 Albany Court
Albany Park
Frimley
Surrey GU15 2XA, United Kingdom
(Info from Carroll Morgan <[email protected]>)
The AgendA is a personal desktop assistant (PDA) style machine. You
can carry it along with you. It has chording input. You can also
hook it up to your PC, or even program it.
It costs just under 200 pounds, with 128K memory.
===========
Thanks go to Chris Bekins <[email protected]> for providing
the basis for this information.
Thanks to the numerous contributors:
Doug Martin <[email protected]>
Carroll Morgan <[email protected]>
Mandy Jaffe-Katz <[email protected]>
Wes Hunter <[email protected]>
Paul Schwartz <[email protected]>
H.J. Woltring <[email protected]>
Dan Sorenson <[email protected]>
Chris VanHaren <[email protected]>
Ravi Pandya <[email protected]>
Leonard H. Tower Jr. <[email protected]>
Dan Jacobson <[email protected]>
Jim Cheetham <[email protected]>
Cliff Lasser <[email protected]>
Richard Donkin <[email protected]>
Paul Rubin <[email protected]>
David Erb <[email protected]>
Bob Scheifler <[email protected]>
Chris Grant <[email protected]>
Scott Mandell <[email protected]>
and everybody else who I've probably managed to forget.
The opinions in here are my own, unless otherwise mentioned, and do not
represent the opinions of any organization or vendor. | 13 | sci.med |
I would assume that the words (I saw the picture) indicated that those
SEATS will not be available for baseball games. If you look at the picture
of the diamond in the stadium, in relation to the areas marked "NOT FOR
BASEBALL", those seats just look terrible for watching baseball. Now, if
they should happen to reach the post-season, I would imagine that they
would consider opening some of those seats up, but that is surely a worry
of the future.
Sam Lubchansky [email protected]
"In the champion, people see what they'd like to be. In the loser,
they see what they actually are, and they treat him with scorn." | 9 | rec.sport.baseball |
Yes. He thought about it.
Jack Waters II
DoD#1919 | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
Okay, here's the entry sheet. Keep in mind that not all spots are
decided, so it may change.
Series Your Pick Games
Division Semis
NY Islanders-Pittsburgh
New Jersey-Washington
Buffalo-Boston
Montreal-Quebec
St. Louis-Chicago
Toronto-Detroit
Winnipeg-Vancouver
Los Angeles-Calgary
Division Finals
Patrick
Adams
Norris
Smythe
Conference Finals
Wales
Campbell
Stanley Cup winner
See previous post for scoring. Good luck!
--
Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
[email protected] IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
Ashok,
Is WinTrumpet available anywhere via anonymous ftp? | 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
The Delaunay triangulation is the geometrical dual of the
Voronoi tessellation and both constructions are derived from
natural neighbor order.
Aurenhammer, F., 1991, Voronoi Diagrams - A Survey of a
Fundamental Geometric Data Structure:
ACM Computing Surveys, 23(3), p. 345-405.
Okabe, A., Boots, B., and Sugihara, K., 1992, Spatial
tessellations : concepts and applications of Voronoi diagrams:
Wiley & Sons, New York, ISBN 0 471 93430 5, 532p.
Watson, D.F., 1981, Computing the n-dimensional Delaunay
tessellation with application to Voronoi polytopes:
The Computer J., 24(2), p. 167-172.}
Watson, D.F., 1985, Natural neighbour sorting: The Australian
Computer J., 17(4), p. 189-193.
| 1 | comp.graphics |
Well, I looked for it and didn't manage to find it in my listings for TNN. Has
anybody taped it VHS, and could they be persuaded to lend it to me after they
watch it? I would be most greatful.
-- | 8 | rec.motorcycles |
I think that NHLPA' 93 is the best video game available now.
of course many things could be done better, but i really appreciate that
the names of players are the real ones, no matter if it lacks some logos...
I am still playing it since November leading different teams to the finals
and making scorers from the same team compete for the top scoring:
Yesterday I won the title using Toronto against Hartford (4 games to two),
I played the playoffs in a 7 games fashion (5 minutes for each period) and
the best scorer and shooter was Gilmour (116 shots if I remember well)
--
_____________________________________________________
Iskander AYARI | 10 | rec.sport.hockey |
ok, i have a 486dx50(ISA) w/ Diamond Stealth VRAM 1MB.
I was really satisfied w/ its performance in windows.
but now more and more games needs higher frame rates in DOS' VGA,
especially this new Strike Commander. ;-)
this stealth vram can only give me 17.5 fps. ;-( (i use 3dbench).
my winmark was 6.35 million, i think.
so right now i'm considering to replace it w/ a new card, which hopefully
can perform approx same w/ my current VRAM in windows and also
can perform DOS' VGA preferably >30fps.
i also saw the 3dbench benchmark list from someone who compiled it
in csipg and it looked that SpeedStar 24X and Orchid Prodesigner 2d-s
ware the fastest for non local bus motherboard.
both can give >30fps in DOS' VGA w/ 486dx2/66.
Does anyone have a winmarks for both of those cards above with the processor
type ? which one is the worthiest(not necessarily fastest)?
any other card recommendation is welcomed too.
also, if possible, where can i get 'this' card for the cheapest? ;-)
thanks in advance, folks! | 2 | comp.os.ms-windows.misc |
Stupid me. I believed the Democrats stood for principles of personal
privacy while it was the Neanderthal Republicans that wanted into every
aspect of our lives.
Clinton is just more clever than the other guy. Looks like gun control for
privacy technology. One small step at a time.
Wait a minute.... Let me think about this.
Hmmm, I feel better now. I believe the White House when they tell us
this first step is, in fact, the final step. All is OK. We've nothing to fear.
They're here to help us.
God bless America.
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John Hesse | A man,
[email protected] | a plan,
Moss Beach, Calif | a canal, Bob. | 11 | sci.crypt |
Hi all,
I'm trying to get mailing addresses for the following
companies. Specifically, I need addresses for their personnel
offices or like bureau. The companies are:
- AMROC
- Orbital Sciences Corp. (sp?)
- Spacehab, Inc. (I know this one is somewhere in
Seattle, WA, or at least part of it is.)
- Space Industries, Inc. (Somewhere in Houston)
- Space Enterprises Inc.
If anybody could point me in the right direction on this, I
would be most appreciative. I prefer an email response, but I
will post a summary if sufficient interest exists.
Thanks, | 14 | sci.space |
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap
a harvest if we do not give up. | 15 | soc.religion.christian |
toyota has cornered the market on ugly station wagons.
after seeing the new camry sedan, i had thought toyota would
finally turn out something nice-looking. the new camry station
wagon bears a strong resemblance to a hearse, and a weird looking
one at that. | 7 | rec.autos |
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