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kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghko7kx | ghldkd3 | 1,609,387,376 | 1,609,408,117 | 3 | 16 | Well eventually it becomes that we as humans don’t know anything. But in the same sense that’s why we are researchers. To get answers. | I think that Terry Pratchett said it best: > Universities are truly storehouses for knowledge: students arrive from school confident they know nearly everything, and they leave five years later certain that they know practically nothing. Where did the knowledge go in the meantime? In the university, of course, where it is dried and stored. From the Science of Discworld series, I believe. Like all Pratchett books brilliantly written, these ones are nice pop-science books about the universe and evolution. Highly recommended. | 0 | 20,741 | 5.333333 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkqkp2 | ghldkd3 | 1,609,388,750 | 1,609,408,117 | 3 | 16 | No. Sometimes you grow more peaceful in your acceptance of this, sometimes not. | I think that Terry Pratchett said it best: > Universities are truly storehouses for knowledge: students arrive from school confident they know nearly everything, and they leave five years later certain that they know practically nothing. Where did the knowledge go in the meantime? In the university, of course, where it is dried and stored. From the Science of Discworld series, I believe. Like all Pratchett books brilliantly written, these ones are nice pop-science books about the universe and evolution. Highly recommended. | 0 | 19,367 | 5.333333 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghklrb1 | ghkq4ub | 1,609,385,999 | 1,609,388,493 | 8 | 9 | I suspect it won't end. But the important distinction is that you know *why* you don't know anything. | As a former advisor of mine, who is one of the top in my field, says "those who succeed were just stupid enough to try it in the first place!" | 0 | 2,494 | 1.125 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghklrb1 | ghkh4md | 1,609,385,999 | 1,609,383,473 | 8 | 4 | I suspect it won't end. But the important distinction is that you know *why* you don't know anything. | On one hand, I realize how little I know, but on the other hand, I've learned to value things about myself besides the amount I know. | 1 | 2,526 | 2 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkq4ub | ghkh4md | 1,609,388,493 | 1,609,383,473 | 9 | 4 | As a former advisor of mine, who is one of the top in my field, says "those who succeed were just stupid enough to try it in the first place!" | On one hand, I realize how little I know, but on the other hand, I've learned to value things about myself besides the amount I know. | 1 | 5,020 | 2.25 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkq4ub | ghkp0xn | 1,609,388,493 | 1,609,387,840 | 9 | 5 | As a former advisor of mine, who is one of the top in my field, says "those who succeed were just stupid enough to try it in the first place!" | For what I know, it's a natural constant feeling and you should not be ashamed about it. In my experience, it took me a year and a half to learn stuff I didn't learn in my MsC and I learned during my PhD. Now I'm more accostumed to things like genomics and NGS, compared to when I started. I still feel behind, but now I have a decent grasp. I suggest you to exercise on the stuff you have troubles with until you feel you understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. | 1 | 653 | 1.8 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkq4ub | ghknud4 | 1,609,388,493 | 1,609,387,168 | 9 | 3 | As a former advisor of mine, who is one of the top in my field, says "those who succeed were just stupid enough to try it in the first place!" | Nope! There is ALWAYS more detail to learn about every topic. | 1 | 1,325 | 3 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghko7kx | ghkq4ub | 1,609,387,376 | 1,609,388,493 | 3 | 9 | Well eventually it becomes that we as humans don’t know anything. But in the same sense that’s why we are researchers. To get answers. | As a former advisor of mine, who is one of the top in my field, says "those who succeed were just stupid enough to try it in the first place!" | 0 | 1,117 | 3 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkq6jw | ghkh4md | 1,609,388,520 | 1,609,383,473 | 7 | 4 | Nope, but at some point you hopefully learn to admit to utter ignorance with grace, and to extend that same grace to your equally-ignorant colleagues when you know something they don't. | On one hand, I realize how little I know, but on the other hand, I've learned to value things about myself besides the amount I know. | 1 | 5,047 | 1.75 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkp0xn | ghkq6jw | 1,609,387,840 | 1,609,388,520 | 5 | 7 | For what I know, it's a natural constant feeling and you should not be ashamed about it. In my experience, it took me a year and a half to learn stuff I didn't learn in my MsC and I learned during my PhD. Now I'm more accostumed to things like genomics and NGS, compared to when I started. I still feel behind, but now I have a decent grasp. I suggest you to exercise on the stuff you have troubles with until you feel you understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. | Nope, but at some point you hopefully learn to admit to utter ignorance with grace, and to extend that same grace to your equally-ignorant colleagues when you know something they don't. | 0 | 680 | 1.4 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkq6jw | ghknud4 | 1,609,388,520 | 1,609,387,168 | 7 | 3 | Nope, but at some point you hopefully learn to admit to utter ignorance with grace, and to extend that same grace to your equally-ignorant colleagues when you know something they don't. | Nope! There is ALWAYS more detail to learn about every topic. | 1 | 1,352 | 2.333333 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghko7kx | ghkq6jw | 1,609,387,376 | 1,609,388,520 | 3 | 7 | Well eventually it becomes that we as humans don’t know anything. But in the same sense that’s why we are researchers. To get answers. | Nope, but at some point you hopefully learn to admit to utter ignorance with grace, and to extend that same grace to your equally-ignorant colleagues when you know something they don't. | 0 | 1,144 | 2.333333 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkh4md | ghkp0xn | 1,609,383,473 | 1,609,387,840 | 4 | 5 | On one hand, I realize how little I know, but on the other hand, I've learned to value things about myself besides the amount I know. | For what I know, it's a natural constant feeling and you should not be ashamed about it. In my experience, it took me a year and a half to learn stuff I didn't learn in my MsC and I learned during my PhD. Now I'm more accostumed to things like genomics and NGS, compared to when I started. I still feel behind, but now I have a decent grasp. I suggest you to exercise on the stuff you have troubles with until you feel you understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. | 0 | 4,367 | 1.25 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkqxd2 | ghkh4md | 1,609,388,960 | 1,609,383,473 | 6 | 4 | For me, that feeling is one of the finest fruits of learning. | On one hand, I realize how little I know, but on the other hand, I've learned to value things about myself besides the amount I know. | 1 | 5,487 | 1.5 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkh4md | ghkr431 | 1,609,383,473 | 1,609,389,072 | 4 | 5 | On one hand, I realize how little I know, but on the other hand, I've learned to value things about myself besides the amount I know. | Not at all. The more you learn, the more you fuel your curiosity. The more curious you are, the more you seek new experience and new knowledge. With these come greater insights. And so on and so on.... enjoy the learning! | 0 | 5,599 | 1.25 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkx3xr | ghkh4md | 1,609,393,036 | 1,609,383,473 | 5 | 4 | In my late 40s, and I like to think of this in a really exciting way, like Mary Oliver said, "Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, the world offers itself to your imagination." Getting to know folks in their 60s and older who are fascinated by how much there is still left to learn definitely keeps me going. | On one hand, I realize how little I know, but on the other hand, I've learned to value things about myself besides the amount I know. | 1 | 9,563 | 1.25 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkqxd2 | ghkp0xn | 1,609,388,960 | 1,609,387,840 | 6 | 5 | For me, that feeling is one of the finest fruits of learning. | For what I know, it's a natural constant feeling and you should not be ashamed about it. In my experience, it took me a year and a half to learn stuff I didn't learn in my MsC and I learned during my PhD. Now I'm more accostumed to things like genomics and NGS, compared to when I started. I still feel behind, but now I have a decent grasp. I suggest you to exercise on the stuff you have troubles with until you feel you understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. | 1 | 1,120 | 1.2 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkp0xn | ghknud4 | 1,609,387,840 | 1,609,387,168 | 5 | 3 | For what I know, it's a natural constant feeling and you should not be ashamed about it. In my experience, it took me a year and a half to learn stuff I didn't learn in my MsC and I learned during my PhD. Now I'm more accostumed to things like genomics and NGS, compared to when I started. I still feel behind, but now I have a decent grasp. I suggest you to exercise on the stuff you have troubles with until you feel you understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. | Nope! There is ALWAYS more detail to learn about every topic. | 1 | 672 | 1.666667 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkp0xn | ghko7kx | 1,609,387,840 | 1,609,387,376 | 5 | 3 | For what I know, it's a natural constant feeling and you should not be ashamed about it. In my experience, it took me a year and a half to learn stuff I didn't learn in my MsC and I learned during my PhD. Now I'm more accostumed to things like genomics and NGS, compared to when I started. I still feel behind, but now I have a decent grasp. I suggest you to exercise on the stuff you have troubles with until you feel you understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. | Well eventually it becomes that we as humans don’t know anything. But in the same sense that’s why we are researchers. To get answers. | 1 | 464 | 1.666667 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghknud4 | ghkqxd2 | 1,609,387,168 | 1,609,388,960 | 3 | 6 | Nope! There is ALWAYS more detail to learn about every topic. | For me, that feeling is one of the finest fruits of learning. | 0 | 1,792 | 2 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkqxd2 | ghko7kx | 1,609,388,960 | 1,609,387,376 | 6 | 3 | For me, that feeling is one of the finest fruits of learning. | Well eventually it becomes that we as humans don’t know anything. But in the same sense that’s why we are researchers. To get answers. | 1 | 1,584 | 2 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkqkp2 | ghkqxd2 | 1,609,388,750 | 1,609,388,960 | 3 | 6 | No. Sometimes you grow more peaceful in your acceptance of this, sometimes not. | For me, that feeling is one of the finest fruits of learning. | 0 | 210 | 2 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkr431 | ghknud4 | 1,609,389,072 | 1,609,387,168 | 5 | 3 | Not at all. The more you learn, the more you fuel your curiosity. The more curious you are, the more you seek new experience and new knowledge. With these come greater insights. And so on and so on.... enjoy the learning! | Nope! There is ALWAYS more detail to learn about every topic. | 1 | 1,904 | 1.666667 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghko7kx | ghkr431 | 1,609,387,376 | 1,609,389,072 | 3 | 5 | Well eventually it becomes that we as humans don’t know anything. But in the same sense that’s why we are researchers. To get answers. | Not at all. The more you learn, the more you fuel your curiosity. The more curious you are, the more you seek new experience and new knowledge. With these come greater insights. And so on and so on.... enjoy the learning! | 0 | 1,696 | 1.666667 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkr431 | ghkqkp2 | 1,609,389,072 | 1,609,388,750 | 5 | 3 | Not at all. The more you learn, the more you fuel your curiosity. The more curious you are, the more you seek new experience and new knowledge. With these come greater insights. And so on and so on.... enjoy the learning! | No. Sometimes you grow more peaceful in your acceptance of this, sometimes not. | 1 | 322 | 1.666667 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkx3xr | ghknud4 | 1,609,393,036 | 1,609,387,168 | 5 | 3 | In my late 40s, and I like to think of this in a really exciting way, like Mary Oliver said, "Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, the world offers itself to your imagination." Getting to know folks in their 60s and older who are fascinated by how much there is still left to learn definitely keeps me going. | Nope! There is ALWAYS more detail to learn about every topic. | 1 | 5,868 | 1.666667 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghko7kx | ghkx3xr | 1,609,387,376 | 1,609,393,036 | 3 | 5 | Well eventually it becomes that we as humans don’t know anything. But in the same sense that’s why we are researchers. To get answers. | In my late 40s, and I like to think of this in a really exciting way, like Mary Oliver said, "Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, the world offers itself to your imagination." Getting to know folks in their 60s and older who are fascinated by how much there is still left to learn definitely keeps me going. | 0 | 5,660 | 1.666667 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkx3xr | ghkqkp2 | 1,609,393,036 | 1,609,388,750 | 5 | 3 | In my late 40s, and I like to think of this in a really exciting way, like Mary Oliver said, "Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, the world offers itself to your imagination." Getting to know folks in their 60s and older who are fascinated by how much there is still left to learn definitely keeps me going. | No. Sometimes you grow more peaceful in your acceptance of this, sometimes not. | 1 | 4,286 | 1.666667 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghl165x | ghm2aut | 1,609,396,131 | 1,609,428,631 | 3 | 4 | Well seemingly you eventually learn so much that you know absolutely nothing. Thats when you become a dean. | I've asked top researchers and they've agreed this feeling doesn't go away. What does happen, though, is you gain a feeling of confidence about your own ability to understand the general shapes of the field, and about your ability to figure out the parts that you need to know. | 0 | 32,500 | 1.333333 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghm2aut | ghknud4 | 1,609,428,631 | 1,609,387,168 | 4 | 3 | I've asked top researchers and they've agreed this feeling doesn't go away. What does happen, though, is you gain a feeling of confidence about your own ability to understand the general shapes of the field, and about your ability to figure out the parts that you need to know. | Nope! There is ALWAYS more detail to learn about every topic. | 1 | 41,463 | 1.333333 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghm2aut | ghko7kx | 1,609,428,631 | 1,609,387,376 | 4 | 3 | I've asked top researchers and they've agreed this feeling doesn't go away. What does happen, though, is you gain a feeling of confidence about your own ability to understand the general shapes of the field, and about your ability to figure out the parts that you need to know. | Well eventually it becomes that we as humans don’t know anything. But in the same sense that’s why we are researchers. To get answers. | 1 | 41,255 | 1.333333 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghkqkp2 | ghm2aut | 1,609,388,750 | 1,609,428,631 | 3 | 4 | No. Sometimes you grow more peaceful in your acceptance of this, sometimes not. | I've asked top researchers and they've agreed this feeling doesn't go away. What does happen, though, is you gain a feeling of confidence about your own ability to understand the general shapes of the field, and about your ability to figure out the parts that you need to know. | 0 | 39,881 | 1.333333 |
kng3m1 | askacademia_train | 0.99 | Does the feeling of “the more you learn the more you know you don’t know anything” ever end? Not sure if this has been asked before but it’s getting to my head, the more I study the more I feel behind or as an imposter..what are your stories/reflections on this | ghlpukq | ghm2aut | 1,609,420,420 | 1,609,428,631 | 3 | 4 | I think there's two aspects to this: 1. Imposter syndrome - this definitely went away for me, although it does come and go a bit. 2. The more you learn about something, the more you understand where the gaps in the field are. This is different to feeling like an imposter, this is becoming aware of what the limit of everyone's knowledge is. I used to do research in a very small niche area, where I read essentially every paper that had been published on the topic. I had zero imposter syndrome, because I knew basically everything that was known on the subject, but I also knew how little anyone (including me) knew. | I've asked top researchers and they've agreed this feeling doesn't go away. What does happen, though, is you gain a feeling of confidence about your own ability to understand the general shapes of the field, and about your ability to figure out the parts that you need to know. | 0 | 8,211 | 1.333333 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hufwbf1 | hug17yx | 1,643,293,381 | 1,643,295,428 | 154 | 246 | Yes, such a move would be emotionally valid. | Just to be clear OP, the grass isn't greener on the other side. Institutions (public, corporate) are not human. Humans are humans and so prepared to be disappointed. My recommendation would be to search for people who are empathetic. | 0 | 2,047 | 1.597403 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug17yx | hufulzw | 1,643,295,428 | 1,643,292,627 | 246 | 70 | Just to be clear OP, the grass isn't greener on the other side. Institutions (public, corporate) are not human. Humans are humans and so prepared to be disappointed. My recommendation would be to search for people who are empathetic. | That is one of the most reddit titles I have ever read. | 1 | 2,801 | 3.514286 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug17yx | hug1035 | 1,643,295,428 | 1,643,295,337 | 246 | 48 | Just to be clear OP, the grass isn't greener on the other side. Institutions (public, corporate) are not human. Humans are humans and so prepared to be disappointed. My recommendation would be to search for people who are empathetic. | No one can meaningfully tell you your emotions are valid or not. It's not my experience that non-academic environments have more empathy or compassion. Both are very hit or miss. | 1 | 91 | 5.125 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug17yx | hufwnci | 1,643,295,428 | 1,643,293,522 | 246 | 27 | Just to be clear OP, the grass isn't greener on the other side. Institutions (public, corporate) are not human. Humans are humans and so prepared to be disappointed. My recommendation would be to search for people who are empathetic. | Absolutely. I also wanted to be a prof - I wanted to help people learn, and share my passion for STEM. Academia is so toxic and demotivating, my current plan is to finish my graduate studies then work in the private sector. If you think your mental well-being would not be protected in academia, leave. | 1 | 1,906 | 9.111111 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug17yx | hufzu91 | 1,643,295,428 | 1,643,294,868 | 246 | 15 | Just to be clear OP, the grass isn't greener on the other side. Institutions (public, corporate) are not human. Humans are humans and so prepared to be disappointed. My recommendation would be to search for people who are empathetic. | This is 100% what I did. Never looked back and I am so glad I decided to ditch. | 1 | 560 | 16.4 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug10g8 | hug17yx | 1,643,295,341 | 1,643,295,428 | 8 | 246 | I wanted to be a lawyer… and then I started working with lawyers and saw the corruption and loss of humanity and greed and… it just sickened me. So disheartening. I don’t want to become like them | Just to be clear OP, the grass isn't greener on the other side. Institutions (public, corporate) are not human. Humans are humans and so prepared to be disappointed. My recommendation would be to search for people who are empathetic. | 0 | 87 | 30.75 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hufwbf1 | hufulzw | 1,643,293,381 | 1,643,292,627 | 154 | 70 | Yes, such a move would be emotionally valid. | That is one of the most reddit titles I have ever read. | 1 | 754 | 2.2 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hufwnci | hug1035 | 1,643,293,522 | 1,643,295,337 | 27 | 48 | Absolutely. I also wanted to be a prof - I wanted to help people learn, and share my passion for STEM. Academia is so toxic and demotivating, my current plan is to finish my graduate studies then work in the private sector. If you think your mental well-being would not be protected in academia, leave. | No one can meaningfully tell you your emotions are valid or not. It's not my experience that non-academic environments have more empathy or compassion. Both are very hit or miss. | 0 | 1,815 | 1.777778 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug1035 | hufzu91 | 1,643,295,337 | 1,643,294,868 | 48 | 15 | No one can meaningfully tell you your emotions are valid or not. It's not my experience that non-academic environments have more empathy or compassion. Both are very hit or miss. | This is 100% what I did. Never looked back and I am so glad I decided to ditch. | 1 | 469 | 3.2 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hufwnci | hug8epl | 1,643,293,522 | 1,643,298,239 | 27 | 37 | Absolutely. I also wanted to be a prof - I wanted to help people learn, and share my passion for STEM. Academia is so toxic and demotivating, my current plan is to finish my graduate studies then work in the private sector. If you think your mental well-being would not be protected in academia, leave. | capitalist firms and nonprofits aren’t “more compassionate” | 0 | 4,717 | 1.37037 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug8epl | hufzu91 | 1,643,298,239 | 1,643,294,868 | 37 | 15 | capitalist firms and nonprofits aren’t “more compassionate” | This is 100% what I did. Never looked back and I am so glad I decided to ditch. | 1 | 3,371 | 2.466667 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug579u | hug8epl | 1,643,297,008 | 1,643,298,239 | 14 | 37 | I'm not sure what "emotionally valid" means, but I do think that an essential part of transitioning from child to adult is learning to think in practical terms as well as idealistic ones. So yes, I'd start to think about what being in academia would mean for your life and your future. | capitalist firms and nonprofits aren’t “more compassionate” | 0 | 1,231 | 2.642857 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug8epl | hug10g8 | 1,643,298,239 | 1,643,295,341 | 37 | 8 | capitalist firms and nonprofits aren’t “more compassionate” | I wanted to be a lawyer… and then I started working with lawyers and saw the corruption and loss of humanity and greed and… it just sickened me. So disheartening. I don’t want to become like them | 1 | 2,898 | 4.625 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugboof | hufzu91 | 1,643,299,469 | 1,643,294,868 | 21 | 15 | The answer is yes BUT, there are amazing researchers out there. Some who are just people you can chit-chat with, have a beer or coffee or tea, who are activist or who do quality theoretical work because they believe in change. Granted, higher ed institutions are a business and have a bottom line. So corporate/economic values will dominate. But colleges, departments, and faculty can create a positive culture that makes you feel comfortable and welcome (as much as they can in what can feel like an inhumane profession). So, what I am trying to say is: find the right institution, the right college, department and colleagues that will SHARE your values (graduate students too). They are out there as well as academics who are empathetic. Want to be / remain somewhat hopeful... Then again, my goal is to disrupt the inhumanity extant in graduate school and my field (however little I can do...)... change has to start somewhere.... Now what to do about blinded comments? =/ | This is 100% what I did. Never looked back and I am so glad I decided to ditch. | 1 | 4,601 | 1.4 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug579u | hugboof | 1,643,297,008 | 1,643,299,469 | 14 | 21 | I'm not sure what "emotionally valid" means, but I do think that an essential part of transitioning from child to adult is learning to think in practical terms as well as idealistic ones. So yes, I'd start to think about what being in academia would mean for your life and your future. | The answer is yes BUT, there are amazing researchers out there. Some who are just people you can chit-chat with, have a beer or coffee or tea, who are activist or who do quality theoretical work because they believe in change. Granted, higher ed institutions are a business and have a bottom line. So corporate/economic values will dominate. But colleges, departments, and faculty can create a positive culture that makes you feel comfortable and welcome (as much as they can in what can feel like an inhumane profession). So, what I am trying to say is: find the right institution, the right college, department and colleagues that will SHARE your values (graduate students too). They are out there as well as academics who are empathetic. Want to be / remain somewhat hopeful... Then again, my goal is to disrupt the inhumanity extant in graduate school and my field (however little I can do...)... change has to start somewhere.... Now what to do about blinded comments? =/ | 0 | 2,461 | 1.5 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugboof | hug910c | 1,643,299,469 | 1,643,298,472 | 21 | 8 | The answer is yes BUT, there are amazing researchers out there. Some who are just people you can chit-chat with, have a beer or coffee or tea, who are activist or who do quality theoretical work because they believe in change. Granted, higher ed institutions are a business and have a bottom line. So corporate/economic values will dominate. But colleges, departments, and faculty can create a positive culture that makes you feel comfortable and welcome (as much as they can in what can feel like an inhumane profession). So, what I am trying to say is: find the right institution, the right college, department and colleagues that will SHARE your values (graduate students too). They are out there as well as academics who are empathetic. Want to be / remain somewhat hopeful... Then again, my goal is to disrupt the inhumanity extant in graduate school and my field (however little I can do...)... change has to start somewhere.... Now what to do about blinded comments? =/ | Any feeling is emotionally valid, so yes. Getting a job outside academia isn't any better though. If you don't want to go into academia, don't. Asking reddit isn't going to change your mind. | 1 | 997 | 2.625 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug10g8 | hugboof | 1,643,295,341 | 1,643,299,469 | 8 | 21 | I wanted to be a lawyer… and then I started working with lawyers and saw the corruption and loss of humanity and greed and… it just sickened me. So disheartening. I don’t want to become like them | The answer is yes BUT, there are amazing researchers out there. Some who are just people you can chit-chat with, have a beer or coffee or tea, who are activist or who do quality theoretical work because they believe in change. Granted, higher ed institutions are a business and have a bottom line. So corporate/economic values will dominate. But colleges, departments, and faculty can create a positive culture that makes you feel comfortable and welcome (as much as they can in what can feel like an inhumane profession). So, what I am trying to say is: find the right institution, the right college, department and colleagues that will SHARE your values (graduate students too). They are out there as well as academics who are empathetic. Want to be / remain somewhat hopeful... Then again, my goal is to disrupt the inhumanity extant in graduate school and my field (however little I can do...)... change has to start somewhere.... Now what to do about blinded comments? =/ | 0 | 4,128 | 2.625 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugboof | hugalq6 | 1,643,299,469 | 1,643,299,064 | 21 | 10 | The answer is yes BUT, there are amazing researchers out there. Some who are just people you can chit-chat with, have a beer or coffee or tea, who are activist or who do quality theoretical work because they believe in change. Granted, higher ed institutions are a business and have a bottom line. So corporate/economic values will dominate. But colleges, departments, and faculty can create a positive culture that makes you feel comfortable and welcome (as much as they can in what can feel like an inhumane profession). So, what I am trying to say is: find the right institution, the right college, department and colleagues that will SHARE your values (graduate students too). They are out there as well as academics who are empathetic. Want to be / remain somewhat hopeful... Then again, my goal is to disrupt the inhumanity extant in graduate school and my field (however little I can do...)... change has to start somewhere.... Now what to do about blinded comments? =/ | You don't owe academia anything. Do what's right for you and put your happiness first. That said, I'm not sure that you'll find more flexibility or empathy in the corporate world. There's obviously a ton of variability in academia and in business and good people are working in both, but the sort of flexibility you're talking about is more common in academia where deadlines can be pretty squishy. | 1 | 405 | 2.1 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugboof | hug9tzg | 1,643,299,469 | 1,643,298,775 | 21 | 7 | The answer is yes BUT, there are amazing researchers out there. Some who are just people you can chit-chat with, have a beer or coffee or tea, who are activist or who do quality theoretical work because they believe in change. Granted, higher ed institutions are a business and have a bottom line. So corporate/economic values will dominate. But colleges, departments, and faculty can create a positive culture that makes you feel comfortable and welcome (as much as they can in what can feel like an inhumane profession). So, what I am trying to say is: find the right institution, the right college, department and colleagues that will SHARE your values (graduate students too). They are out there as well as academics who are empathetic. Want to be / remain somewhat hopeful... Then again, my goal is to disrupt the inhumanity extant in graduate school and my field (however little I can do...)... change has to start somewhere.... Now what to do about blinded comments? =/ | I do not think there is anything wrong with steering away from a professional setting because you don't like the culture. However, I doubt industry would be any more understanding. | 1 | 694 | 3 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug10g8 | hug579u | 1,643,295,341 | 1,643,297,008 | 8 | 14 | I wanted to be a lawyer… and then I started working with lawyers and saw the corruption and loss of humanity and greed and… it just sickened me. So disheartening. I don’t want to become like them | I'm not sure what "emotionally valid" means, but I do think that an essential part of transitioning from child to adult is learning to think in practical terms as well as idealistic ones. So yes, I'd start to think about what being in academia would mean for your life and your future. | 0 | 1,667 | 1.75 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huhjmb0 | hug910c | 1,643,315,322 | 1,643,298,472 | 9 | 8 | I think what people are missing is this: you’ve assigned a ton of feeling and emotional meaning to your potential work in academia. All of the language you use in your post - like ‘heeding the call’ of working in academia or your ‘belief’ in the academe - suggests that you view academia as a nobler or more meaningful career path, almost like you would be destined to do it. The reality is that the world is not like that, and you are just now waking up to it. It’s not that you’re looking for empathy or compassion at your job - it’s that you held academia to a higher standard than “just a job” and are now realizing that it’s not the case. I just want to reassure you that you can be successful, make a difference, and be happy in your work both inside or outside academia. Both places are, at the end of the day, just places you can work, and the jobs in either are just the same as other jobs. What you do in your job, and in your life in general, is what makes it meaningful. Hope this helps. Wishing you the best. | Any feeling is emotionally valid, so yes. Getting a job outside academia isn't any better though. If you don't want to go into academia, don't. Asking reddit isn't going to change your mind. | 1 | 16,850 | 1.125 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huhjmb0 | hug10g8 | 1,643,315,322 | 1,643,295,341 | 9 | 8 | I think what people are missing is this: you’ve assigned a ton of feeling and emotional meaning to your potential work in academia. All of the language you use in your post - like ‘heeding the call’ of working in academia or your ‘belief’ in the academe - suggests that you view academia as a nobler or more meaningful career path, almost like you would be destined to do it. The reality is that the world is not like that, and you are just now waking up to it. It’s not that you’re looking for empathy or compassion at your job - it’s that you held academia to a higher standard than “just a job” and are now realizing that it’s not the case. I just want to reassure you that you can be successful, make a difference, and be happy in your work both inside or outside academia. Both places are, at the end of the day, just places you can work, and the jobs in either are just the same as other jobs. What you do in your job, and in your life in general, is what makes it meaningful. Hope this helps. Wishing you the best. | I wanted to be a lawyer… and then I started working with lawyers and saw the corruption and loss of humanity and greed and… it just sickened me. So disheartening. I don’t want to become like them | 1 | 19,981 | 1.125 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huhjmb0 | hughuxx | 1,643,315,322 | 1,643,301,750 | 9 | 7 | I think what people are missing is this: you’ve assigned a ton of feeling and emotional meaning to your potential work in academia. All of the language you use in your post - like ‘heeding the call’ of working in academia or your ‘belief’ in the academe - suggests that you view academia as a nobler or more meaningful career path, almost like you would be destined to do it. The reality is that the world is not like that, and you are just now waking up to it. It’s not that you’re looking for empathy or compassion at your job - it’s that you held academia to a higher standard than “just a job” and are now realizing that it’s not the case. I just want to reassure you that you can be successful, make a difference, and be happy in your work both inside or outside academia. Both places are, at the end of the day, just places you can work, and the jobs in either are just the same as other jobs. What you do in your job, and in your life in general, is what makes it meaningful. Hope this helps. Wishing you the best. | Do what makes you happy, but don't expect the private sector to be inherently more empathetic. The millions of people who lost their jobs due to the pandemic probably aren't feeling a lot of compassion right now. There are good and bad workplaces both inside and outside of academia. | 1 | 13,572 | 1.285714 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugkw4h | huhjmb0 | 1,643,302,831 | 1,643,315,322 | 8 | 9 | Who cares if it's "emotionally valid". If it's not for you, it's not for you. That's fine. If you spend your life only making decisions when you've had external affirmation that your views are emotionally valid you're not going to have a career and you're probably going to end up living a very mediocre life. You need to make decisions for yourself. No one else is going to manage your career and personal life for you and if you can't make decisions without others validating you, then you won't make any decisions. If you feel academia lacks empathy and compassion then you should leave and find a career that aligns better with your values. The fact I don't find my corner of academia like that doesn't negate your experiences nor is it a reason for you to stay in a career you aren't enjoying. Do what is best for you, others' judgements of your emotional validity are neither here nor there. | I think what people are missing is this: you’ve assigned a ton of feeling and emotional meaning to your potential work in academia. All of the language you use in your post - like ‘heeding the call’ of working in academia or your ‘belief’ in the academe - suggests that you view academia as a nobler or more meaningful career path, almost like you would be destined to do it. The reality is that the world is not like that, and you are just now waking up to it. It’s not that you’re looking for empathy or compassion at your job - it’s that you held academia to a higher standard than “just a job” and are now realizing that it’s not the case. I just want to reassure you that you can be successful, make a difference, and be happy in your work both inside or outside academia. Both places are, at the end of the day, just places you can work, and the jobs in either are just the same as other jobs. What you do in your job, and in your life in general, is what makes it meaningful. Hope this helps. Wishing you the best. | 0 | 12,491 | 1.125 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huhjmb0 | huh7j5w | 1,643,315,322 | 1,643,310,881 | 9 | 6 | I think what people are missing is this: you’ve assigned a ton of feeling and emotional meaning to your potential work in academia. All of the language you use in your post - like ‘heeding the call’ of working in academia or your ‘belief’ in the academe - suggests that you view academia as a nobler or more meaningful career path, almost like you would be destined to do it. The reality is that the world is not like that, and you are just now waking up to it. It’s not that you’re looking for empathy or compassion at your job - it’s that you held academia to a higher standard than “just a job” and are now realizing that it’s not the case. I just want to reassure you that you can be successful, make a difference, and be happy in your work both inside or outside academia. Both places are, at the end of the day, just places you can work, and the jobs in either are just the same as other jobs. What you do in your job, and in your life in general, is what makes it meaningful. Hope this helps. Wishing you the best. | Hi OP, I feel like we belong to the same country (perhaps same institution?) based on your posts. Currently a researcher working on DOST-funded projects here. All of your feelings are valid and very understandable. It's something that most of our fellow colleagues have been struggling with and going through, from early career professionals to the more experienced PI's. My mental health since 2022 started has been so bad because of 1000001 problems our project has been facing, coupled with deadlines and difficult people. What can I say, we are all victims of a very flawed system. My advice as someone who's currently working (albeit broken and battered) for the academe and government? Give it another hard thought. Why did you dream to work at the academe in the first place? Was it because of DOST's call for more scientists? Is it because you want to teach and reach out to the younger minds? Or do you really just want to do science for a living? Why do you think you'd be better off looking for jobs abroad or in the industry? Is it out of spite, to escape a toxic environment and broken system? Or do you genuinely desire to broaden your horizon and see the world? I think knowing the reasons why will give you a better idea on the best direction to steer your career towards to after grad. Despite all the hardships, I don't regret staying (at least for now) and doing science here. I've learned skills and techniques I've otherwise won't be able to develop anywhere else. I've met some of the best colleagues in the lab, and sometimes after a hard day at work we go out for a couple of drinks and talk about our common problems with the system, dreaming about how we can change it around in the future when we advance into the academe ladder. I still hope to pursue further studies abroad, because I want to travel the world, learn things I otherwise have no opportunity to learn here, and upgrade my skillsets so that I can eventually come back, get a higher, stabler position with better salary, and maybe, just maybe, I could change something in the system to make it better. It's all a very idealistic view, but in essence I want you to consider that as the early career professionals who've witnessed and been victims of the system (and the people sitting up there now), we are the future generation's chance not to go through the same unnecessary hardships that we've gone through. Wherever you decide to go, you'll probably always find inconsiderate colleagues and flaws in the system. But I hope they never shake up whatever it is that you genuinely want to do in life. Also, it's OK to make the wrong career decisions. The door will always be there for you when you decide to leave, so don't pressure yourself too much to make the right decisions as early as now. This has gotten too long, and I apologize. I wish you all the best, and if you need anyone to talk to about this again, my inbox is open! :) | 1 | 4,441 | 1.5 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug9tzg | huhjmb0 | 1,643,298,775 | 1,643,315,322 | 7 | 9 | I do not think there is anything wrong with steering away from a professional setting because you don't like the culture. However, I doubt industry would be any more understanding. | I think what people are missing is this: you’ve assigned a ton of feeling and emotional meaning to your potential work in academia. All of the language you use in your post - like ‘heeding the call’ of working in academia or your ‘belief’ in the academe - suggests that you view academia as a nobler or more meaningful career path, almost like you would be destined to do it. The reality is that the world is not like that, and you are just now waking up to it. It’s not that you’re looking for empathy or compassion at your job - it’s that you held academia to a higher standard than “just a job” and are now realizing that it’s not the case. I just want to reassure you that you can be successful, make a difference, and be happy in your work both inside or outside academia. Both places are, at the end of the day, just places you can work, and the jobs in either are just the same as other jobs. What you do in your job, and in your life in general, is what makes it meaningful. Hope this helps. Wishing you the best. | 0 | 16,547 | 1.285714 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huhjmb0 | huh5odz | 1,643,315,322 | 1,643,310,200 | 9 | 4 | I think what people are missing is this: you’ve assigned a ton of feeling and emotional meaning to your potential work in academia. All of the language you use in your post - like ‘heeding the call’ of working in academia or your ‘belief’ in the academe - suggests that you view academia as a nobler or more meaningful career path, almost like you would be destined to do it. The reality is that the world is not like that, and you are just now waking up to it. It’s not that you’re looking for empathy or compassion at your job - it’s that you held academia to a higher standard than “just a job” and are now realizing that it’s not the case. I just want to reassure you that you can be successful, make a difference, and be happy in your work both inside or outside academia. Both places are, at the end of the day, just places you can work, and the jobs in either are just the same as other jobs. What you do in your job, and in your life in general, is what makes it meaningful. Hope this helps. Wishing you the best. | Look for a different location. Given what you’re saying, I’m kind of assuming you live in Florida or some other deep red state. Where I live (Hawaii), everyone has been super accommodating and my corporate job has too. Its not the industry, it’s the people. | 1 | 5,122 | 2.25 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huhe61x | huhjmb0 | 1,643,313,312 | 1,643,315,322 | 4 | 9 | It sounds like you are judging an entire sector of society ("academe") by the actions of a very few people. There's a word for that. | I think what people are missing is this: you’ve assigned a ton of feeling and emotional meaning to your potential work in academia. All of the language you use in your post - like ‘heeding the call’ of working in academia or your ‘belief’ in the academe - suggests that you view academia as a nobler or more meaningful career path, almost like you would be destined to do it. The reality is that the world is not like that, and you are just now waking up to it. It’s not that you’re looking for empathy or compassion at your job - it’s that you held academia to a higher standard than “just a job” and are now realizing that it’s not the case. I just want to reassure you that you can be successful, make a difference, and be happy in your work both inside or outside academia. Both places are, at the end of the day, just places you can work, and the jobs in either are just the same as other jobs. What you do in your job, and in your life in general, is what makes it meaningful. Hope this helps. Wishing you the best. | 0 | 2,010 | 2.25 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugk9vz | huhjmb0 | 1,643,302,615 | 1,643,315,322 | 3 | 9 | Your feelings are valid. I spent 15 years in academia and industry before I left due to the twisted priorities of those in charge and the powerlessness of those of us who are doing all the work. What we need is a strong union. | I think what people are missing is this: you’ve assigned a ton of feeling and emotional meaning to your potential work in academia. All of the language you use in your post - like ‘heeding the call’ of working in academia or your ‘belief’ in the academe - suggests that you view academia as a nobler or more meaningful career path, almost like you would be destined to do it. The reality is that the world is not like that, and you are just now waking up to it. It’s not that you’re looking for empathy or compassion at your job - it’s that you held academia to a higher standard than “just a job” and are now realizing that it’s not the case. I just want to reassure you that you can be successful, make a difference, and be happy in your work both inside or outside academia. Both places are, at the end of the day, just places you can work, and the jobs in either are just the same as other jobs. What you do in your job, and in your life in general, is what makes it meaningful. Hope this helps. Wishing you the best. | 0 | 12,707 | 3 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugtuxo | huhjmb0 | 1,643,305,993 | 1,643,315,322 | 3 | 9 | As some people have said, the people you work with will really make or break your whole experience. If you’re not sure what you want then get a different job and take a couple years to scout out your options. Academia can be really tough, especially if you’ve not happy there | I think what people are missing is this: you’ve assigned a ton of feeling and emotional meaning to your potential work in academia. All of the language you use in your post - like ‘heeding the call’ of working in academia or your ‘belief’ in the academe - suggests that you view academia as a nobler or more meaningful career path, almost like you would be destined to do it. The reality is that the world is not like that, and you are just now waking up to it. It’s not that you’re looking for empathy or compassion at your job - it’s that you held academia to a higher standard than “just a job” and are now realizing that it’s not the case. I just want to reassure you that you can be successful, make a difference, and be happy in your work both inside or outside academia. Both places are, at the end of the day, just places you can work, and the jobs in either are just the same as other jobs. What you do in your job, and in your life in general, is what makes it meaningful. Hope this helps. Wishing you the best. | 0 | 9,329 | 3 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugy80i | huhjmb0 | 1,643,307,550 | 1,643,315,322 | 3 | 9 | All choices are emotionally valid if they don’t harm others. That said, what you are saying isn’t untrue or uncommon and at the same time it isn’t everywhere in all of academia. Maybe you don’t want to work in that school? | I think what people are missing is this: you’ve assigned a ton of feeling and emotional meaning to your potential work in academia. All of the language you use in your post - like ‘heeding the call’ of working in academia or your ‘belief’ in the academe - suggests that you view academia as a nobler or more meaningful career path, almost like you would be destined to do it. The reality is that the world is not like that, and you are just now waking up to it. It’s not that you’re looking for empathy or compassion at your job - it’s that you held academia to a higher standard than “just a job” and are now realizing that it’s not the case. I just want to reassure you that you can be successful, make a difference, and be happy in your work both inside or outside academia. Both places are, at the end of the day, just places you can work, and the jobs in either are just the same as other jobs. What you do in your job, and in your life in general, is what makes it meaningful. Hope this helps. Wishing you the best. | 0 | 7,772 | 3 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huhjmb0 | huh9ksv | 1,643,315,322 | 1,643,311,630 | 9 | 3 | I think what people are missing is this: you’ve assigned a ton of feeling and emotional meaning to your potential work in academia. All of the language you use in your post - like ‘heeding the call’ of working in academia or your ‘belief’ in the academe - suggests that you view academia as a nobler or more meaningful career path, almost like you would be destined to do it. The reality is that the world is not like that, and you are just now waking up to it. It’s not that you’re looking for empathy or compassion at your job - it’s that you held academia to a higher standard than “just a job” and are now realizing that it’s not the case. I just want to reassure you that you can be successful, make a difference, and be happy in your work both inside or outside academia. Both places are, at the end of the day, just places you can work, and the jobs in either are just the same as other jobs. What you do in your job, and in your life in general, is what makes it meaningful. Hope this helps. Wishing you the best. | Yes. Academia is very competitive and difficult to succeed in. You really need to make sure your heart is in it. While professors claim to be compassionate, many of them are, honestly, just narcissists. Academia greatly rewards narcissists. Know what you are getting into. | 1 | 3,692 | 3 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug910c | hugalq6 | 1,643,298,472 | 1,643,299,064 | 8 | 10 | Any feeling is emotionally valid, so yes. Getting a job outside academia isn't any better though. If you don't want to go into academia, don't. Asking reddit isn't going to change your mind. | You don't owe academia anything. Do what's right for you and put your happiness first. That said, I'm not sure that you'll find more flexibility or empathy in the corporate world. There's obviously a ton of variability in academia and in business and good people are working in both, but the sort of flexibility you're talking about is more common in academia where deadlines can be pretty squishy. | 0 | 592 | 1.25 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugalq6 | hug10g8 | 1,643,299,064 | 1,643,295,341 | 10 | 8 | You don't owe academia anything. Do what's right for you and put your happiness first. That said, I'm not sure that you'll find more flexibility or empathy in the corporate world. There's obviously a ton of variability in academia and in business and good people are working in both, but the sort of flexibility you're talking about is more common in academia where deadlines can be pretty squishy. | I wanted to be a lawyer… and then I started working with lawyers and saw the corruption and loss of humanity and greed and… it just sickened me. So disheartening. I don’t want to become like them | 1 | 3,723 | 1.25 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugalq6 | hug9tzg | 1,643,299,064 | 1,643,298,775 | 10 | 7 | You don't owe academia anything. Do what's right for you and put your happiness first. That said, I'm not sure that you'll find more flexibility or empathy in the corporate world. There's obviously a ton of variability in academia and in business and good people are working in both, but the sort of flexibility you're talking about is more common in academia where deadlines can be pretty squishy. | I do not think there is anything wrong with steering away from a professional setting because you don't like the culture. However, I doubt industry would be any more understanding. | 1 | 289 | 1.428571 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hughuxx | hugkw4h | 1,643,301,750 | 1,643,302,831 | 7 | 8 | Do what makes you happy, but don't expect the private sector to be inherently more empathetic. The millions of people who lost their jobs due to the pandemic probably aren't feeling a lot of compassion right now. There are good and bad workplaces both inside and outside of academia. | Who cares if it's "emotionally valid". If it's not for you, it's not for you. That's fine. If you spend your life only making decisions when you've had external affirmation that your views are emotionally valid you're not going to have a career and you're probably going to end up living a very mediocre life. You need to make decisions for yourself. No one else is going to manage your career and personal life for you and if you can't make decisions without others validating you, then you won't make any decisions. If you feel academia lacks empathy and compassion then you should leave and find a career that aligns better with your values. The fact I don't find my corner of academia like that doesn't negate your experiences nor is it a reason for you to stay in a career you aren't enjoying. Do what is best for you, others' judgements of your emotional validity are neither here nor there. | 0 | 1,081 | 1.142857 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hug9tzg | hugkw4h | 1,643,298,775 | 1,643,302,831 | 7 | 8 | I do not think there is anything wrong with steering away from a professional setting because you don't like the culture. However, I doubt industry would be any more understanding. | Who cares if it's "emotionally valid". If it's not for you, it's not for you. That's fine. If you spend your life only making decisions when you've had external affirmation that your views are emotionally valid you're not going to have a career and you're probably going to end up living a very mediocre life. You need to make decisions for yourself. No one else is going to manage your career and personal life for you and if you can't make decisions without others validating you, then you won't make any decisions. If you feel academia lacks empathy and compassion then you should leave and find a career that aligns better with your values. The fact I don't find my corner of academia like that doesn't negate your experiences nor is it a reason for you to stay in a career you aren't enjoying. Do what is best for you, others' judgements of your emotional validity are neither here nor there. | 0 | 4,056 | 1.142857 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugk9vz | hugkw4h | 1,643,302,615 | 1,643,302,831 | 3 | 8 | Your feelings are valid. I spent 15 years in academia and industry before I left due to the twisted priorities of those in charge and the powerlessness of those of us who are doing all the work. What we need is a strong union. | Who cares if it's "emotionally valid". If it's not for you, it's not for you. That's fine. If you spend your life only making decisions when you've had external affirmation that your views are emotionally valid you're not going to have a career and you're probably going to end up living a very mediocre life. You need to make decisions for yourself. No one else is going to manage your career and personal life for you and if you can't make decisions without others validating you, then you won't make any decisions. If you feel academia lacks empathy and compassion then you should leave and find a career that aligns better with your values. The fact I don't find my corner of academia like that doesn't negate your experiences nor is it a reason for you to stay in a career you aren't enjoying. Do what is best for you, others' judgements of your emotional validity are neither here nor there. | 0 | 216 | 2.666667 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huh5odz | huh7j5w | 1,643,310,200 | 1,643,310,881 | 4 | 6 | Look for a different location. Given what you’re saying, I’m kind of assuming you live in Florida or some other deep red state. Where I live (Hawaii), everyone has been super accommodating and my corporate job has too. Its not the industry, it’s the people. | Hi OP, I feel like we belong to the same country (perhaps same institution?) based on your posts. Currently a researcher working on DOST-funded projects here. All of your feelings are valid and very understandable. It's something that most of our fellow colleagues have been struggling with and going through, from early career professionals to the more experienced PI's. My mental health since 2022 started has been so bad because of 1000001 problems our project has been facing, coupled with deadlines and difficult people. What can I say, we are all victims of a very flawed system. My advice as someone who's currently working (albeit broken and battered) for the academe and government? Give it another hard thought. Why did you dream to work at the academe in the first place? Was it because of DOST's call for more scientists? Is it because you want to teach and reach out to the younger minds? Or do you really just want to do science for a living? Why do you think you'd be better off looking for jobs abroad or in the industry? Is it out of spite, to escape a toxic environment and broken system? Or do you genuinely desire to broaden your horizon and see the world? I think knowing the reasons why will give you a better idea on the best direction to steer your career towards to after grad. Despite all the hardships, I don't regret staying (at least for now) and doing science here. I've learned skills and techniques I've otherwise won't be able to develop anywhere else. I've met some of the best colleagues in the lab, and sometimes after a hard day at work we go out for a couple of drinks and talk about our common problems with the system, dreaming about how we can change it around in the future when we advance into the academe ladder. I still hope to pursue further studies abroad, because I want to travel the world, learn things I otherwise have no opportunity to learn here, and upgrade my skillsets so that I can eventually come back, get a higher, stabler position with better salary, and maybe, just maybe, I could change something in the system to make it better. It's all a very idealistic view, but in essence I want you to consider that as the early career professionals who've witnessed and been victims of the system (and the people sitting up there now), we are the future generation's chance not to go through the same unnecessary hardships that we've gone through. Wherever you decide to go, you'll probably always find inconsiderate colleagues and flaws in the system. But I hope they never shake up whatever it is that you genuinely want to do in life. Also, it's OK to make the wrong career decisions. The door will always be there for you when you decide to leave, so don't pressure yourself too much to make the right decisions as early as now. This has gotten too long, and I apologize. I wish you all the best, and if you need anyone to talk to about this again, my inbox is open! :) | 0 | 681 | 1.5 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugk9vz | huh7j5w | 1,643,302,615 | 1,643,310,881 | 3 | 6 | Your feelings are valid. I spent 15 years in academia and industry before I left due to the twisted priorities of those in charge and the powerlessness of those of us who are doing all the work. What we need is a strong union. | Hi OP, I feel like we belong to the same country (perhaps same institution?) based on your posts. Currently a researcher working on DOST-funded projects here. All of your feelings are valid and very understandable. It's something that most of our fellow colleagues have been struggling with and going through, from early career professionals to the more experienced PI's. My mental health since 2022 started has been so bad because of 1000001 problems our project has been facing, coupled with deadlines and difficult people. What can I say, we are all victims of a very flawed system. My advice as someone who's currently working (albeit broken and battered) for the academe and government? Give it another hard thought. Why did you dream to work at the academe in the first place? Was it because of DOST's call for more scientists? Is it because you want to teach and reach out to the younger minds? Or do you really just want to do science for a living? Why do you think you'd be better off looking for jobs abroad or in the industry? Is it out of spite, to escape a toxic environment and broken system? Or do you genuinely desire to broaden your horizon and see the world? I think knowing the reasons why will give you a better idea on the best direction to steer your career towards to after grad. Despite all the hardships, I don't regret staying (at least for now) and doing science here. I've learned skills and techniques I've otherwise won't be able to develop anywhere else. I've met some of the best colleagues in the lab, and sometimes after a hard day at work we go out for a couple of drinks and talk about our common problems with the system, dreaming about how we can change it around in the future when we advance into the academe ladder. I still hope to pursue further studies abroad, because I want to travel the world, learn things I otherwise have no opportunity to learn here, and upgrade my skillsets so that I can eventually come back, get a higher, stabler position with better salary, and maybe, just maybe, I could change something in the system to make it better. It's all a very idealistic view, but in essence I want you to consider that as the early career professionals who've witnessed and been victims of the system (and the people sitting up there now), we are the future generation's chance not to go through the same unnecessary hardships that we've gone through. Wherever you decide to go, you'll probably always find inconsiderate colleagues and flaws in the system. But I hope they never shake up whatever it is that you genuinely want to do in life. Also, it's OK to make the wrong career decisions. The door will always be there for you when you decide to leave, so don't pressure yourself too much to make the right decisions as early as now. This has gotten too long, and I apologize. I wish you all the best, and if you need anyone to talk to about this again, my inbox is open! :) | 0 | 8,266 | 2 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huh7j5w | hugtuxo | 1,643,310,881 | 1,643,305,993 | 6 | 3 | Hi OP, I feel like we belong to the same country (perhaps same institution?) based on your posts. Currently a researcher working on DOST-funded projects here. All of your feelings are valid and very understandable. It's something that most of our fellow colleagues have been struggling with and going through, from early career professionals to the more experienced PI's. My mental health since 2022 started has been so bad because of 1000001 problems our project has been facing, coupled with deadlines and difficult people. What can I say, we are all victims of a very flawed system. My advice as someone who's currently working (albeit broken and battered) for the academe and government? Give it another hard thought. Why did you dream to work at the academe in the first place? Was it because of DOST's call for more scientists? Is it because you want to teach and reach out to the younger minds? Or do you really just want to do science for a living? Why do you think you'd be better off looking for jobs abroad or in the industry? Is it out of spite, to escape a toxic environment and broken system? Or do you genuinely desire to broaden your horizon and see the world? I think knowing the reasons why will give you a better idea on the best direction to steer your career towards to after grad. Despite all the hardships, I don't regret staying (at least for now) and doing science here. I've learned skills and techniques I've otherwise won't be able to develop anywhere else. I've met some of the best colleagues in the lab, and sometimes after a hard day at work we go out for a couple of drinks and talk about our common problems with the system, dreaming about how we can change it around in the future when we advance into the academe ladder. I still hope to pursue further studies abroad, because I want to travel the world, learn things I otherwise have no opportunity to learn here, and upgrade my skillsets so that I can eventually come back, get a higher, stabler position with better salary, and maybe, just maybe, I could change something in the system to make it better. It's all a very idealistic view, but in essence I want you to consider that as the early career professionals who've witnessed and been victims of the system (and the people sitting up there now), we are the future generation's chance not to go through the same unnecessary hardships that we've gone through. Wherever you decide to go, you'll probably always find inconsiderate colleagues and flaws in the system. But I hope they never shake up whatever it is that you genuinely want to do in life. Also, it's OK to make the wrong career decisions. The door will always be there for you when you decide to leave, so don't pressure yourself too much to make the right decisions as early as now. This has gotten too long, and I apologize. I wish you all the best, and if you need anyone to talk to about this again, my inbox is open! :) | As some people have said, the people you work with will really make or break your whole experience. If you’re not sure what you want then get a different job and take a couple years to scout out your options. Academia can be really tough, especially if you’ve not happy there | 1 | 4,888 | 2 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugy80i | huh7j5w | 1,643,307,550 | 1,643,310,881 | 3 | 6 | All choices are emotionally valid if they don’t harm others. That said, what you are saying isn’t untrue or uncommon and at the same time it isn’t everywhere in all of academia. Maybe you don’t want to work in that school? | Hi OP, I feel like we belong to the same country (perhaps same institution?) based on your posts. Currently a researcher working on DOST-funded projects here. All of your feelings are valid and very understandable. It's something that most of our fellow colleagues have been struggling with and going through, from early career professionals to the more experienced PI's. My mental health since 2022 started has been so bad because of 1000001 problems our project has been facing, coupled with deadlines and difficult people. What can I say, we are all victims of a very flawed system. My advice as someone who's currently working (albeit broken and battered) for the academe and government? Give it another hard thought. Why did you dream to work at the academe in the first place? Was it because of DOST's call for more scientists? Is it because you want to teach and reach out to the younger minds? Or do you really just want to do science for a living? Why do you think you'd be better off looking for jobs abroad or in the industry? Is it out of spite, to escape a toxic environment and broken system? Or do you genuinely desire to broaden your horizon and see the world? I think knowing the reasons why will give you a better idea on the best direction to steer your career towards to after grad. Despite all the hardships, I don't regret staying (at least for now) and doing science here. I've learned skills and techniques I've otherwise won't be able to develop anywhere else. I've met some of the best colleagues in the lab, and sometimes after a hard day at work we go out for a couple of drinks and talk about our common problems with the system, dreaming about how we can change it around in the future when we advance into the academe ladder. I still hope to pursue further studies abroad, because I want to travel the world, learn things I otherwise have no opportunity to learn here, and upgrade my skillsets so that I can eventually come back, get a higher, stabler position with better salary, and maybe, just maybe, I could change something in the system to make it better. It's all a very idealistic view, but in essence I want you to consider that as the early career professionals who've witnessed and been victims of the system (and the people sitting up there now), we are the future generation's chance not to go through the same unnecessary hardships that we've gone through. Wherever you decide to go, you'll probably always find inconsiderate colleagues and flaws in the system. But I hope they never shake up whatever it is that you genuinely want to do in life. Also, it's OK to make the wrong career decisions. The door will always be there for you when you decide to leave, so don't pressure yourself too much to make the right decisions as early as now. This has gotten too long, and I apologize. I wish you all the best, and if you need anyone to talk to about this again, my inbox is open! :) | 0 | 3,331 | 2 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huh5odz | huj3lux | 1,643,310,200 | 1,643,337,809 | 4 | 5 | Look for a different location. Given what you’re saying, I’m kind of assuming you live in Florida or some other deep red state. Where I live (Hawaii), everyone has been super accommodating and my corporate job has too. Its not the industry, it’s the people. | I feel like there’s a lack of compassion everywhere. Finding a good place is like finding a diamond in the rough. On media some companies/universities post the “great” stuff they do for employees. But then try talking to people from those companies and universities and they say otherwise. I feel like a lot of times that’s just for show. So I’d say find the place with the *least* bullshit whether it’s in or out of academia. | 0 | 27,609 | 1.25 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huh5odz | hugk9vz | 1,643,310,200 | 1,643,302,615 | 4 | 3 | Look for a different location. Given what you’re saying, I’m kind of assuming you live in Florida or some other deep red state. Where I live (Hawaii), everyone has been super accommodating and my corporate job has too. Its not the industry, it’s the people. | Your feelings are valid. I spent 15 years in academia and industry before I left due to the twisted priorities of those in charge and the powerlessness of those of us who are doing all the work. What we need is a strong union. | 1 | 7,585 | 1.333333 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugtuxo | huh5odz | 1,643,305,993 | 1,643,310,200 | 3 | 4 | As some people have said, the people you work with will really make or break your whole experience. If you’re not sure what you want then get a different job and take a couple years to scout out your options. Academia can be really tough, especially if you’ve not happy there | Look for a different location. Given what you’re saying, I’m kind of assuming you live in Florida or some other deep red state. Where I live (Hawaii), everyone has been super accommodating and my corporate job has too. Its not the industry, it’s the people. | 0 | 4,207 | 1.333333 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugy80i | huh5odz | 1,643,307,550 | 1,643,310,200 | 3 | 4 | All choices are emotionally valid if they don’t harm others. That said, what you are saying isn’t untrue or uncommon and at the same time it isn’t everywhere in all of academia. Maybe you don’t want to work in that school? | Look for a different location. Given what you’re saying, I’m kind of assuming you live in Florida or some other deep red state. Where I live (Hawaii), everyone has been super accommodating and my corporate job has too. Its not the industry, it’s the people. | 0 | 2,650 | 1.333333 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huhe61x | huj3lux | 1,643,313,312 | 1,643,337,809 | 4 | 5 | It sounds like you are judging an entire sector of society ("academe") by the actions of a very few people. There's a word for that. | I feel like there’s a lack of compassion everywhere. Finding a good place is like finding a diamond in the rough. On media some companies/universities post the “great” stuff they do for employees. But then try talking to people from those companies and universities and they say otherwise. I feel like a lot of times that’s just for show. So I’d say find the place with the *least* bullshit whether it’s in or out of academia. | 0 | 24,497 | 1.25 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugk9vz | huhe61x | 1,643,302,615 | 1,643,313,312 | 3 | 4 | Your feelings are valid. I spent 15 years in academia and industry before I left due to the twisted priorities of those in charge and the powerlessness of those of us who are doing all the work. What we need is a strong union. | It sounds like you are judging an entire sector of society ("academe") by the actions of a very few people. There's a word for that. | 0 | 10,697 | 1.333333 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugtuxo | huhe61x | 1,643,305,993 | 1,643,313,312 | 3 | 4 | As some people have said, the people you work with will really make or break your whole experience. If you’re not sure what you want then get a different job and take a couple years to scout out your options. Academia can be really tough, especially if you’ve not happy there | It sounds like you are judging an entire sector of society ("academe") by the actions of a very few people. There's a word for that. | 0 | 7,319 | 1.333333 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugy80i | huhe61x | 1,643,307,550 | 1,643,313,312 | 3 | 4 | All choices are emotionally valid if they don’t harm others. That said, what you are saying isn’t untrue or uncommon and at the same time it isn’t everywhere in all of academia. Maybe you don’t want to work in that school? | It sounds like you are judging an entire sector of society ("academe") by the actions of a very few people. There's a word for that. | 0 | 5,762 | 1.333333 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huh9ksv | huhe61x | 1,643,311,630 | 1,643,313,312 | 3 | 4 | Yes. Academia is very competitive and difficult to succeed in. You really need to make sure your heart is in it. While professors claim to be compassionate, many of them are, honestly, just narcissists. Academia greatly rewards narcissists. Know what you are getting into. | It sounds like you are judging an entire sector of society ("academe") by the actions of a very few people. There's a word for that. | 0 | 1,682 | 1.333333 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huj2ej5 | huj3lux | 1,643,337,282 | 1,643,337,809 | 3 | 5 | Don't ask the question of academia. They don't have the emotional intelligence to know the answer. However I think unless you choose a caring profession, you're going to find most industries lacking in empathy and compassion. It isn't just academia. | I feel like there’s a lack of compassion everywhere. Finding a good place is like finding a diamond in the rough. On media some companies/universities post the “great” stuff they do for employees. But then try talking to people from those companies and universities and they say otherwise. I feel like a lot of times that’s just for show. So I’d say find the place with the *least* bullshit whether it’s in or out of academia. | 0 | 527 | 1.666667 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | hugk9vz | huj3lux | 1,643,302,615 | 1,643,337,809 | 3 | 5 | Your feelings are valid. I spent 15 years in academia and industry before I left due to the twisted priorities of those in charge and the powerlessness of those of us who are doing all the work. What we need is a strong union. | I feel like there’s a lack of compassion everywhere. Finding a good place is like finding a diamond in the rough. On media some companies/universities post the “great” stuff they do for employees. But then try talking to people from those companies and universities and they say otherwise. I feel like a lot of times that’s just for show. So I’d say find the place with the *least* bullshit whether it’s in or out of academia. | 0 | 35,194 | 1.666667 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huj3lux | hugtuxo | 1,643,337,809 | 1,643,305,993 | 5 | 3 | I feel like there’s a lack of compassion everywhere. Finding a good place is like finding a diamond in the rough. On media some companies/universities post the “great” stuff they do for employees. But then try talking to people from those companies and universities and they say otherwise. I feel like a lot of times that’s just for show. So I’d say find the place with the *least* bullshit whether it’s in or out of academia. | As some people have said, the people you work with will really make or break your whole experience. If you’re not sure what you want then get a different job and take a couple years to scout out your options. Academia can be really tough, especially if you’ve not happy there | 1 | 31,816 | 1.666667 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huj3lux | hugy80i | 1,643,337,809 | 1,643,307,550 | 5 | 3 | I feel like there’s a lack of compassion everywhere. Finding a good place is like finding a diamond in the rough. On media some companies/universities post the “great” stuff they do for employees. But then try talking to people from those companies and universities and they say otherwise. I feel like a lot of times that’s just for show. So I’d say find the place with the *least* bullshit whether it’s in or out of academia. | All choices are emotionally valid if they don’t harm others. That said, what you are saying isn’t untrue or uncommon and at the same time it isn’t everywhere in all of academia. Maybe you don’t want to work in that school? | 1 | 30,259 | 1.666667 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huh9ksv | huj3lux | 1,643,311,630 | 1,643,337,809 | 3 | 5 | Yes. Academia is very competitive and difficult to succeed in. You really need to make sure your heart is in it. While professors claim to be compassionate, many of them are, honestly, just narcissists. Academia greatly rewards narcissists. Know what you are getting into. | I feel like there’s a lack of compassion everywhere. Finding a good place is like finding a diamond in the rough. On media some companies/universities post the “great” stuff they do for employees. But then try talking to people from those companies and universities and they say otherwise. I feel like a lot of times that’s just for show. So I’d say find the place with the *least* bullshit whether it’s in or out of academia. | 0 | 26,179 | 1.666667 |
sdykoy | askacademia_train | 0.88 | Is it emotionally valid to steer away from academia due to its lack of empathy and compassion? I'm a graduating student in the university and it was my dream to become a professor and a researcher one day since our country lacks them. It was always the statement of our country's Department of Science and Technology and I was thinking before that I want to heed the call. This pandemic however broke my belief towards the academe. I can manage the burnout and the stressful learning curves of the academe. My problem however was the lack of empathy and pedanticism of the professors. Even though the Omicron surged and some universities in our country suspended classes and deadlines, our university did not even budge. The professor did not even ask if our late submissions were due to sickness. Scores were slashed off. Everything was cut-off and deducted as if there's no surge in our country. My partner became positive with Omicron and she begged almost all her professors through e-mail. **Her** deadlines were just extended by a few days as if a person can recover from it in just a week. I just realized "fk it!" I can't work with such people if I become a researcher and a professor one day. I realized that my dream to be in the academe is a sham. I can't be with people with no empathy and don't get me started with the low salary. I'm done with pedanticism. Did you guys also feel the same way at some point? | huj3lux | huhm6uo | 1,643,337,809 | 1,643,316,271 | 5 | 3 | I feel like there’s a lack of compassion everywhere. Finding a good place is like finding a diamond in the rough. On media some companies/universities post the “great” stuff they do for employees. But then try talking to people from those companies and universities and they say otherwise. I feel like a lot of times that’s just for show. So I’d say find the place with the *least* bullshit whether it’s in or out of academia. | We went online when covid hit, got refunds for services not used, institution actually issued an official policy allowing you to have bad grades removed during the time of covid because of stress and such. Professors have been very accommodating and understanding. Don’t toss out the good that comes from academia because of bad experiences at one institution. | 1 | 21,538 | 1.666667 |
msa8fv | askacademia_train | 0.97 | I have a TT position - thanks, I hate it I am about 1 year into a TT position in chemical engineering and I feel so bad about myself. How does anyone have the resilience to stay in this job? Of course I was rejected by every grant I applied for (5), but it’s more than that. Nothing good happened, EVER. It was incredibly isolating, I worked 24/7, I GAINED 50 lbs (wtf!), one time I didn’t even set foot outside my house for nearly a month, and still nothing but negative feedback. Pretty much only hear bad news, from students and from grants. I don’t understand how other people find within themselves the will to keep working (or to even keep living - seriously). It just seems unyieldingly terrible. Everyday I have some experience solidifying what a worthless piece of shit I am, and never does anything good happen. | gurjkc8 | gurgrwn | 1,618,604,335 | 1,618,603,047 | 75 | 32 | Dude. I just resigned from my TT position after having a mental meltdown and, frankly, embarrassing myself through it all. I've forgiven myself because there are a lot of resources you can find where people talk all about their misery in academia. "Academia is Killing My Friends" tumblr comes to mind. You're not alone, but know that its okay to quit if you are not happy. Ultimately, you should be devoting yourself to finding your balance and happiness where you can because that comes first. Academia is inherently miserable, if its not your passion. The general consensus seems to be that when you have a PhD, you pretty much have a number of competitive and transferrable skills to get you into an industry position where you A) make more money, B) have time for work-life balance, and C) aren't slogging through negative BS from every angle. Your post really resonates with me because I've experienced a lot of what you have. My mental meltdown, and eventual resignation, was a surefire sign that this is not for me and I need to get out. No one will give a fuck if you quit because at the end of the day, its a job. Go find what works for you and get out if you're miserable. Don't suffer needlessly. | Imposter syndrome is a real thing with academics, particularly when you're working towards tenure, and I can't imagine how much it must be exacerbated if your first year was during COVID. At least when we were all together, it was easier to see how incompetent your senior colleagues also were. | 1 | 1,288 | 2.34375 |
msa8fv | askacademia_train | 0.97 | I have a TT position - thanks, I hate it I am about 1 year into a TT position in chemical engineering and I feel so bad about myself. How does anyone have the resilience to stay in this job? Of course I was rejected by every grant I applied for (5), but it’s more than that. Nothing good happened, EVER. It was incredibly isolating, I worked 24/7, I GAINED 50 lbs (wtf!), one time I didn’t even set foot outside my house for nearly a month, and still nothing but negative feedback. Pretty much only hear bad news, from students and from grants. I don’t understand how other people find within themselves the will to keep working (or to even keep living - seriously). It just seems unyieldingly terrible. Everyday I have some experience solidifying what a worthless piece of shit I am, and never does anything good happen. | gurhis1 | gurjkc8 | 1,618,603,390 | 1,618,604,335 | 25 | 75 | My best advice would be to do the job because of your own internalized interests in your field; no matter how much you achieve (eg big paper, big grant, recognition, whatever), the external validation from those achievements is only temporarily uplifting. Do the science for *you*, not for your colleagues or peers or students. Just remember your smart enough and good enough and gosh darn it people like you. | Dude. I just resigned from my TT position after having a mental meltdown and, frankly, embarrassing myself through it all. I've forgiven myself because there are a lot of resources you can find where people talk all about their misery in academia. "Academia is Killing My Friends" tumblr comes to mind. You're not alone, but know that its okay to quit if you are not happy. Ultimately, you should be devoting yourself to finding your balance and happiness where you can because that comes first. Academia is inherently miserable, if its not your passion. The general consensus seems to be that when you have a PhD, you pretty much have a number of competitive and transferrable skills to get you into an industry position where you A) make more money, B) have time for work-life balance, and C) aren't slogging through negative BS from every angle. Your post really resonates with me because I've experienced a lot of what you have. My mental meltdown, and eventual resignation, was a surefire sign that this is not for me and I need to get out. No one will give a fuck if you quit because at the end of the day, its a job. Go find what works for you and get out if you're miserable. Don't suffer needlessly. | 0 | 945 | 3 |
msa8fv | askacademia_train | 0.97 | I have a TT position - thanks, I hate it I am about 1 year into a TT position in chemical engineering and I feel so bad about myself. How does anyone have the resilience to stay in this job? Of course I was rejected by every grant I applied for (5), but it’s more than that. Nothing good happened, EVER. It was incredibly isolating, I worked 24/7, I GAINED 50 lbs (wtf!), one time I didn’t even set foot outside my house for nearly a month, and still nothing but negative feedback. Pretty much only hear bad news, from students and from grants. I don’t understand how other people find within themselves the will to keep working (or to even keep living - seriously). It just seems unyieldingly terrible. Everyday I have some experience solidifying what a worthless piece of shit I am, and never does anything good happen. | gurhis1 | gus4ybb | 1,618,603,390 | 1,618,614,740 | 25 | 29 | My best advice would be to do the job because of your own internalized interests in your field; no matter how much you achieve (eg big paper, big grant, recognition, whatever), the external validation from those achievements is only temporarily uplifting. Do the science for *you*, not for your colleagues or peers or students. Just remember your smart enough and good enough and gosh darn it people like you. | I’m TT (year 2) and think about quitting every day. I work constantly. I have become numb to rejection and the good news no longer brings me joy, it’s just a tiny bit of relief at most. I did recently get a grant but I am honestly almost resentful of it because now I feel tied to this position for several more years. The flexibility of this career is great and overall I like each task I do, but there are too many of them, and in an under resourced dept, we are all taking on way too much such that everything is devoid of joy. The salary is peanuts and the rewards are perverse. Just because you got here doesn’t mean you need to stay. I don’t think I’ll make it long term unless things get dramatically better in the next 2 years. This career path has relied on antiquated ideas of prestige for too long and those entering now realize that that’s not enough to sustain us, mentally or financially. You’re not alone and I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this. Take care of yourself and know it’s okay to leave for a healthier life. The academy will never love us back. Having a therapist and getting exercise most days is helping me get through. | 0 | 11,350 | 1.16 |
msa8fv | askacademia_train | 0.97 | I have a TT position - thanks, I hate it I am about 1 year into a TT position in chemical engineering and I feel so bad about myself. How does anyone have the resilience to stay in this job? Of course I was rejected by every grant I applied for (5), but it’s more than that. Nothing good happened, EVER. It was incredibly isolating, I worked 24/7, I GAINED 50 lbs (wtf!), one time I didn’t even set foot outside my house for nearly a month, and still nothing but negative feedback. Pretty much only hear bad news, from students and from grants. I don’t understand how other people find within themselves the will to keep working (or to even keep living - seriously). It just seems unyieldingly terrible. Everyday I have some experience solidifying what a worthless piece of shit I am, and never does anything good happen. | gus4ybb | gurlq96 | 1,618,614,740 | 1,618,605,263 | 29 | 19 | I’m TT (year 2) and think about quitting every day. I work constantly. I have become numb to rejection and the good news no longer brings me joy, it’s just a tiny bit of relief at most. I did recently get a grant but I am honestly almost resentful of it because now I feel tied to this position for several more years. The flexibility of this career is great and overall I like each task I do, but there are too many of them, and in an under resourced dept, we are all taking on way too much such that everything is devoid of joy. The salary is peanuts and the rewards are perverse. Just because you got here doesn’t mean you need to stay. I don’t think I’ll make it long term unless things get dramatically better in the next 2 years. This career path has relied on antiquated ideas of prestige for too long and those entering now realize that that’s not enough to sustain us, mentally or financially. You’re not alone and I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this. Take care of yourself and know it’s okay to leave for a healthier life. The academy will never love us back. Having a therapist and getting exercise most days is helping me get through. | Hello fellow ChemE! You aren't alone. This is year 1 after tenure as associate prof. My weight ballooned this year. This year for me has been the most unproductive mess of a year. The rejection never stops. Sometimes rejection happens not because you did anything wrong but for "reasons." I hope you have some mentors in your department who can guide you on expectations leading towards reviews. Don't take the first year as a sign of anything to come. My first year was only about surviving and that was it. It wasn't until year 4 that proposal traction was gained and landed a CAREER. I'm happy to have a distanced coffee chat to maybe vent or strategize some good habits! Feel free to reach out | 1 | 9,477 | 1.526316 |
msa8fv | askacademia_train | 0.97 | I have a TT position - thanks, I hate it I am about 1 year into a TT position in chemical engineering and I feel so bad about myself. How does anyone have the resilience to stay in this job? Of course I was rejected by every grant I applied for (5), but it’s more than that. Nothing good happened, EVER. It was incredibly isolating, I worked 24/7, I GAINED 50 lbs (wtf!), one time I didn’t even set foot outside my house for nearly a month, and still nothing but negative feedback. Pretty much only hear bad news, from students and from grants. I don’t understand how other people find within themselves the will to keep working (or to even keep living - seriously). It just seems unyieldingly terrible. Everyday I have some experience solidifying what a worthless piece of shit I am, and never does anything good happen. | gus4ybb | gurs8nl | 1,618,614,740 | 1,618,608,273 | 29 | 21 | I’m TT (year 2) and think about quitting every day. I work constantly. I have become numb to rejection and the good news no longer brings me joy, it’s just a tiny bit of relief at most. I did recently get a grant but I am honestly almost resentful of it because now I feel tied to this position for several more years. The flexibility of this career is great and overall I like each task I do, but there are too many of them, and in an under resourced dept, we are all taking on way too much such that everything is devoid of joy. The salary is peanuts and the rewards are perverse. Just because you got here doesn’t mean you need to stay. I don’t think I’ll make it long term unless things get dramatically better in the next 2 years. This career path has relied on antiquated ideas of prestige for too long and those entering now realize that that’s not enough to sustain us, mentally or financially. You’re not alone and I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this. Take care of yourself and know it’s okay to leave for a healthier life. The academy will never love us back. Having a therapist and getting exercise most days is helping me get through. | Sorry to hear about your experience. 1. You absolutely need to establish some sense of balance in your life. You need to set foot outside your house *every* day for a month. 2. 5 grant proposals in a year sounds quite astonishing to me. Were you 100% satisfied with each of them when you submitted them? Some advice I got was to focus on one proposal per year and make that one as strong as possible, which leads to a much higher success chance than five medicore ones. | 1 | 6,467 | 1.380952 |
msa8fv | askacademia_train | 0.97 | I have a TT position - thanks, I hate it I am about 1 year into a TT position in chemical engineering and I feel so bad about myself. How does anyone have the resilience to stay in this job? Of course I was rejected by every grant I applied for (5), but it’s more than that. Nothing good happened, EVER. It was incredibly isolating, I worked 24/7, I GAINED 50 lbs (wtf!), one time I didn’t even set foot outside my house for nearly a month, and still nothing but negative feedback. Pretty much only hear bad news, from students and from grants. I don’t understand how other people find within themselves the will to keep working (or to even keep living - seriously). It just seems unyieldingly terrible. Everyday I have some experience solidifying what a worthless piece of shit I am, and never does anything good happen. | gurt9z0 | gus4ybb | 1,618,608,779 | 1,618,614,740 | 17 | 29 | Oh Man, after reading this, I have realised that my PhD problems are nothing compared to this. How can you live a healthy life after going through all this? | I’m TT (year 2) and think about quitting every day. I work constantly. I have become numb to rejection and the good news no longer brings me joy, it’s just a tiny bit of relief at most. I did recently get a grant but I am honestly almost resentful of it because now I feel tied to this position for several more years. The flexibility of this career is great and overall I like each task I do, but there are too many of them, and in an under resourced dept, we are all taking on way too much such that everything is devoid of joy. The salary is peanuts and the rewards are perverse. Just because you got here doesn’t mean you need to stay. I don’t think I’ll make it long term unless things get dramatically better in the next 2 years. This career path has relied on antiquated ideas of prestige for too long and those entering now realize that that’s not enough to sustain us, mentally or financially. You’re not alone and I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this. Take care of yourself and know it’s okay to leave for a healthier life. The academy will never love us back. Having a therapist and getting exercise most days is helping me get through. | 0 | 5,961 | 1.705882 |
msa8fv | askacademia_train | 0.97 | I have a TT position - thanks, I hate it I am about 1 year into a TT position in chemical engineering and I feel so bad about myself. How does anyone have the resilience to stay in this job? Of course I was rejected by every grant I applied for (5), but it’s more than that. Nothing good happened, EVER. It was incredibly isolating, I worked 24/7, I GAINED 50 lbs (wtf!), one time I didn’t even set foot outside my house for nearly a month, and still nothing but negative feedback. Pretty much only hear bad news, from students and from grants. I don’t understand how other people find within themselves the will to keep working (or to even keep living - seriously). It just seems unyieldingly terrible. Everyday I have some experience solidifying what a worthless piece of shit I am, and never does anything good happen. | gus4ybb | gurts0h | 1,618,614,740 | 1,618,609,024 | 29 | 9 | I’m TT (year 2) and think about quitting every day. I work constantly. I have become numb to rejection and the good news no longer brings me joy, it’s just a tiny bit of relief at most. I did recently get a grant but I am honestly almost resentful of it because now I feel tied to this position for several more years. The flexibility of this career is great and overall I like each task I do, but there are too many of them, and in an under resourced dept, we are all taking on way too much such that everything is devoid of joy. The salary is peanuts and the rewards are perverse. Just because you got here doesn’t mean you need to stay. I don’t think I’ll make it long term unless things get dramatically better in the next 2 years. This career path has relied on antiquated ideas of prestige for too long and those entering now realize that that’s not enough to sustain us, mentally or financially. You’re not alone and I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this. Take care of yourself and know it’s okay to leave for a healthier life. The academy will never love us back. Having a therapist and getting exercise most days is helping me get through. | It was a terrible time for it to be your first year. It really does get easier, in part because you learn a way to live with never getting stuff done. Once you have some preps under your belt and you learn how to manage your class so that it takes up less time, it gets much, much better . It is also exhausting and stressful because everything you need to do you don't know anything about. This is a vicious cycle, which is the bad news, because once you knock out some of the jenga blocks of happiness, shit goes downhill fast. But the good news it is - it is geometric in the opposite direction also. Take a walk, play with your dog, talk to some friends, do something that makes you a little bit happy. Get a little bit of exercise every day, even if it is a 15 min walk. Your planner is your friend. Tasks will expand to take up however much time you have. | 1 | 5,716 | 3.222222 |
msa8fv | askacademia_train | 0.97 | I have a TT position - thanks, I hate it I am about 1 year into a TT position in chemical engineering and I feel so bad about myself. How does anyone have the resilience to stay in this job? Of course I was rejected by every grant I applied for (5), but it’s more than that. Nothing good happened, EVER. It was incredibly isolating, I worked 24/7, I GAINED 50 lbs (wtf!), one time I didn’t even set foot outside my house for nearly a month, and still nothing but negative feedback. Pretty much only hear bad news, from students and from grants. I don’t understand how other people find within themselves the will to keep working (or to even keep living - seriously). It just seems unyieldingly terrible. Everyday I have some experience solidifying what a worthless piece of shit I am, and never does anything good happen. | gurw30j | gus4ybb | 1,618,610,151 | 1,618,614,740 | 9 | 29 | I won't tell anyone who hates their job to not quit if they can do something else, but are you connected with anyone else who is TT or otherwise? I have found, after being FT for a few years, that my professional connections have sustained me more than anything else. | I’m TT (year 2) and think about quitting every day. I work constantly. I have become numb to rejection and the good news no longer brings me joy, it’s just a tiny bit of relief at most. I did recently get a grant but I am honestly almost resentful of it because now I feel tied to this position for several more years. The flexibility of this career is great and overall I like each task I do, but there are too many of them, and in an under resourced dept, we are all taking on way too much such that everything is devoid of joy. The salary is peanuts and the rewards are perverse. Just because you got here doesn’t mean you need to stay. I don’t think I’ll make it long term unless things get dramatically better in the next 2 years. This career path has relied on antiquated ideas of prestige for too long and those entering now realize that that’s not enough to sustain us, mentally or financially. You’re not alone and I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this. Take care of yourself and know it’s okay to leave for a healthier life. The academy will never love us back. Having a therapist and getting exercise most days is helping me get through. | 0 | 4,589 | 3.222222 |
msa8fv | askacademia_train | 0.97 | I have a TT position - thanks, I hate it I am about 1 year into a TT position in chemical engineering and I feel so bad about myself. How does anyone have the resilience to stay in this job? Of course I was rejected by every grant I applied for (5), but it’s more than that. Nothing good happened, EVER. It was incredibly isolating, I worked 24/7, I GAINED 50 lbs (wtf!), one time I didn’t even set foot outside my house for nearly a month, and still nothing but negative feedback. Pretty much only hear bad news, from students and from grants. I don’t understand how other people find within themselves the will to keep working (or to even keep living - seriously). It just seems unyieldingly terrible. Everyday I have some experience solidifying what a worthless piece of shit I am, and never does anything good happen. | gus4ybb | gus4izy | 1,618,614,740 | 1,618,614,508 | 29 | 6 | I’m TT (year 2) and think about quitting every day. I work constantly. I have become numb to rejection and the good news no longer brings me joy, it’s just a tiny bit of relief at most. I did recently get a grant but I am honestly almost resentful of it because now I feel tied to this position for several more years. The flexibility of this career is great and overall I like each task I do, but there are too many of them, and in an under resourced dept, we are all taking on way too much such that everything is devoid of joy. The salary is peanuts and the rewards are perverse. Just because you got here doesn’t mean you need to stay. I don’t think I’ll make it long term unless things get dramatically better in the next 2 years. This career path has relied on antiquated ideas of prestige for too long and those entering now realize that that’s not enough to sustain us, mentally or financially. You’re not alone and I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this. Take care of yourself and know it’s okay to leave for a healthier life. The academy will never love us back. Having a therapist and getting exercise most days is helping me get through. | The negative feedback is going to come whether you work yourself to death or not, so I'd suggest to take care of yourself rather than not setting a foot outside your home. I used to overwork myself and I can't say I get better feedback now, I probably get the same, but I'm not as tired. I do the best that I can without tiring myself out. | 1 | 232 | 4.833333 |
msa8fv | askacademia_train | 0.97 | I have a TT position - thanks, I hate it I am about 1 year into a TT position in chemical engineering and I feel so bad about myself. How does anyone have the resilience to stay in this job? Of course I was rejected by every grant I applied for (5), but it’s more than that. Nothing good happened, EVER. It was incredibly isolating, I worked 24/7, I GAINED 50 lbs (wtf!), one time I didn’t even set foot outside my house for nearly a month, and still nothing but negative feedback. Pretty much only hear bad news, from students and from grants. I don’t understand how other people find within themselves the will to keep working (or to even keep living - seriously). It just seems unyieldingly terrible. Everyday I have some experience solidifying what a worthless piece of shit I am, and never does anything good happen. | gurrbpf | gus4ybb | 1,618,607,833 | 1,618,614,740 | 2 | 29 | If you don't like the TT position, then the best thing for everyone is for you to leave it, and sooner rather than later. You will have a chance to move on to something new in your life that you will hopefully like better, and your position will presumably have a chance to be filled by someone who finds it more satisfactory than you do. What you should absolutely not do is hang around for another 3 or 5 years knowing you don't like it. That benefits nobody and nothing. Good luck, hope it turns out for the best. | I’m TT (year 2) and think about quitting every day. I work constantly. I have become numb to rejection and the good news no longer brings me joy, it’s just a tiny bit of relief at most. I did recently get a grant but I am honestly almost resentful of it because now I feel tied to this position for several more years. The flexibility of this career is great and overall I like each task I do, but there are too many of them, and in an under resourced dept, we are all taking on way too much such that everything is devoid of joy. The salary is peanuts and the rewards are perverse. Just because you got here doesn’t mean you need to stay. I don’t think I’ll make it long term unless things get dramatically better in the next 2 years. This career path has relied on antiquated ideas of prestige for too long and those entering now realize that that’s not enough to sustain us, mentally or financially. You’re not alone and I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this. Take care of yourself and know it’s okay to leave for a healthier life. The academy will never love us back. Having a therapist and getting exercise most days is helping me get through. | 0 | 6,907 | 14.5 |
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