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ztha2r
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1g3u6y
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OP is there more to the story? State police and “Fraud Investigation Unit” sound a bit heavy for just a shoplifting case. Still stand by don’t talk to them and get an attorney, but ESPECIALLY if there may be more to this, it is important to have a professional handle it.
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Hi, I am a police officer, here to offer my professional opinion/advise. It is very unusual for police departments to follow up after the store caught and released the person commiting the crime. So this could mean a few things. First of all, store security is unable to create warrants, even if they demand it, it's not up to them. Second, as stated previously if a store catches you and then releases you before police arrive it is very unusual for any action further, what most likely is happening is that the store is not doing super well economic-ly and they are looking to claim insurance on shoplifting. If that is the case they will be looking to press charges. YOU SHOULD GET A LAWYER. Third, it may seem out of character for me to say this but going in for an interview with a detective is not a spectacular idea, you certainly can but I personally wouldn't admit to anything, if you do go in voluntarily be aware that you are free to leave at any time. (Unless you admit to anything or they have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that you committed a crime) Finally, I would call the number and talk to the detective (again don't admit to anything) it may be that they just want to document it. At the very least they document it and nothing happens, or they could give you a ticket (for most places petty theft is a $150 fine but this varies by area) or at the most they may bring you to court for petty theft, and as long as you aren't a repeat offender you may get anywhere from 3-35 days in prison (again varies by area) Before they send a warrant they will send something called a criminal complaint by mail, it is pretty much them arresting you and telling you to come to court without actually arresting you. I would strongly recommend going to the court date or else a warrant will be served for failure to appear. I hope I helped, and good luck to you.
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ztha2r
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| 0.89 |
A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1g3u6y
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j1feqgp
| 1,671,846,902 | 1,671,834,882 | 58 | 19 |
Hi, I am a police officer, here to offer my professional opinion/advise. It is very unusual for police departments to follow up after the store caught and released the person commiting the crime. So this could mean a few things. First of all, store security is unable to create warrants, even if they demand it, it's not up to them. Second, as stated previously if a store catches you and then releases you before police arrive it is very unusual for any action further, what most likely is happening is that the store is not doing super well economic-ly and they are looking to claim insurance on shoplifting. If that is the case they will be looking to press charges. YOU SHOULD GET A LAWYER. Third, it may seem out of character for me to say this but going in for an interview with a detective is not a spectacular idea, you certainly can but I personally wouldn't admit to anything, if you do go in voluntarily be aware that you are free to leave at any time. (Unless you admit to anything or they have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that you committed a crime) Finally, I would call the number and talk to the detective (again don't admit to anything) it may be that they just want to document it. At the very least they document it and nothing happens, or they could give you a ticket (for most places petty theft is a $150 fine but this varies by area) or at the most they may bring you to court for petty theft, and as long as you aren't a repeat offender you may get anywhere from 3-35 days in prison (again varies by area) Before they send a warrant they will send something called a criminal complaint by mail, it is pretty much them arresting you and telling you to come to court without actually arresting you. I would strongly recommend going to the court date or else a warrant will be served for failure to appear. I hope I helped, and good luck to you.
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Never give a voluntary statement to police. I would suggest you email this officer a cancellation and inform him that your invoking your 5th amendment right to not speak to him/her. No matter how much he tries to entice you to show up and talk. DONT DO IT! Remember the police can lie to you without repercussion where’s as you can not without facing additional charges. After invoking your 5th amendment right you can either hire and attorney to go from their. They won’t charge you a fortune to call the officer and find out what is going on. You can also watch the local warrant list and if your issued a warrant go down and surrender for it. Again NO Statements to police. The officer involved with most definitely try to interrogate you after your arrest. Just continue to invoke your 5th amendment right. The court can then appoint you and attorney if you’ve been unable to afford one on your own. Again saying ANYTHING to the police will often come back to bite you severally in the ass.
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ztha2r
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fp0q4
| 1,671,846,902 | 1,671,839,693 | 58 | 14 |
Hi, I am a police officer, here to offer my professional opinion/advise. It is very unusual for police departments to follow up after the store caught and released the person commiting the crime. So this could mean a few things. First of all, store security is unable to create warrants, even if they demand it, it's not up to them. Second, as stated previously if a store catches you and then releases you before police arrive it is very unusual for any action further, what most likely is happening is that the store is not doing super well economic-ly and they are looking to claim insurance on shoplifting. If that is the case they will be looking to press charges. YOU SHOULD GET A LAWYER. Third, it may seem out of character for me to say this but going in for an interview with a detective is not a spectacular idea, you certainly can but I personally wouldn't admit to anything, if you do go in voluntarily be aware that you are free to leave at any time. (Unless you admit to anything or they have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that you committed a crime) Finally, I would call the number and talk to the detective (again don't admit to anything) it may be that they just want to document it. At the very least they document it and nothing happens, or they could give you a ticket (for most places petty theft is a $150 fine but this varies by area) or at the most they may bring you to court for petty theft, and as long as you aren't a repeat offender you may get anywhere from 3-35 days in prison (again varies by area) Before they send a warrant they will send something called a criminal complaint by mail, it is pretty much them arresting you and telling you to come to court without actually arresting you. I would strongly recommend going to the court date or else a warrant will be served for failure to appear. I hope I helped, and good luck to you.
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Not sure if this is relevant but.... did you actually walk out with the items? Or did they stop you in the store? If you returned the items in the store, it's possible they don't have enough proof that you were going to shoplift them, and are looking for more admission of guilt on your part.
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ztha2r
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legaladvice_train
| 0.89 |
A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1g3u6y
| 1,671,836,915 | 1,671,846,902 | 6 | 58 |
What a load of blunders you have made. 1. Contact criminal defense attorney asap. You will want their professional advice and perhaps they can do the negotiation on your behalf. 2. Stop talking to the cops, Walmart or anyone else except your attorney about this. Everything you say can be used to put you behind bars. I assume you want to avoid this, so please stop talking. 3. Ignore everything that the cops say to you. They can lie to you to get a conviction. Nothing you say it going to help you get out of this trouble, nothing you say will reduce the trouble. So say nothing at all. 4. If they tell you that this won't help your situation, assert your 5th amendment right to silence. After that say nothing. To answer your question, yes officers appreciate your honesty. What benefit is it to you? Their appreciation is not going to get you your freedom. STOP TALKING.
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Hi, I am a police officer, here to offer my professional opinion/advise. It is very unusual for police departments to follow up after the store caught and released the person commiting the crime. So this could mean a few things. First of all, store security is unable to create warrants, even if they demand it, it's not up to them. Second, as stated previously if a store catches you and then releases you before police arrive it is very unusual for any action further, what most likely is happening is that the store is not doing super well economic-ly and they are looking to claim insurance on shoplifting. If that is the case they will be looking to press charges. YOU SHOULD GET A LAWYER. Third, it may seem out of character for me to say this but going in for an interview with a detective is not a spectacular idea, you certainly can but I personally wouldn't admit to anything, if you do go in voluntarily be aware that you are free to leave at any time. (Unless you admit to anything or they have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that you committed a crime) Finally, I would call the number and talk to the detective (again don't admit to anything) it may be that they just want to document it. At the very least they document it and nothing happens, or they could give you a ticket (for most places petty theft is a $150 fine but this varies by area) or at the most they may bring you to court for petty theft, and as long as you aren't a repeat offender you may get anywhere from 3-35 days in prison (again varies by area) Before they send a warrant they will send something called a criminal complaint by mail, it is pretty much them arresting you and telling you to come to court without actually arresting you. I would strongly recommend going to the court date or else a warrant will be served for failure to appear. I hope I helped, and good luck to you.
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ztha2r
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| 0.89 |
A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1g3u6y
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> Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I suspect that is the case. I can't think of why else state police would be getting involved with a one-off shoplifting that occurred months ago. At this point, you need to get a defense lawyer and have them talk to the cops and figure out what exactly they think you did.
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Hi, I am a police officer, here to offer my professional opinion/advise. It is very unusual for police departments to follow up after the store caught and released the person commiting the crime. So this could mean a few things. First of all, store security is unable to create warrants, even if they demand it, it's not up to them. Second, as stated previously if a store catches you and then releases you before police arrive it is very unusual for any action further, what most likely is happening is that the store is not doing super well economic-ly and they are looking to claim insurance on shoplifting. If that is the case they will be looking to press charges. YOU SHOULD GET A LAWYER. Third, it may seem out of character for me to say this but going in for an interview with a detective is not a spectacular idea, you certainly can but I personally wouldn't admit to anything, if you do go in voluntarily be aware that you are free to leave at any time. (Unless you admit to anything or they have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that you committed a crime) Finally, I would call the number and talk to the detective (again don't admit to anything) it may be that they just want to document it. At the very least they document it and nothing happens, or they could give you a ticket (for most places petty theft is a $150 fine but this varies by area) or at the most they may bring you to court for petty theft, and as long as you aren't a repeat offender you may get anywhere from 3-35 days in prison (again varies by area) Before they send a warrant they will send something called a criminal complaint by mail, it is pretty much them arresting you and telling you to come to court without actually arresting you. I would strongly recommend going to the court date or else a warrant will be served for failure to appear. I hope I helped, and good luck to you.
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ztha2r
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| 0.89 |
A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1g3u6y
| 1,671,836,564 | 1,671,846,902 | 3 | 58 |
If they arrest you make sure you invoke your right to remain silent and ask for a lawyer
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Hi, I am a police officer, here to offer my professional opinion/advise. It is very unusual for police departments to follow up after the store caught and released the person commiting the crime. So this could mean a few things. First of all, store security is unable to create warrants, even if they demand it, it's not up to them. Second, as stated previously if a store catches you and then releases you before police arrive it is very unusual for any action further, what most likely is happening is that the store is not doing super well economic-ly and they are looking to claim insurance on shoplifting. If that is the case they will be looking to press charges. YOU SHOULD GET A LAWYER. Third, it may seem out of character for me to say this but going in for an interview with a detective is not a spectacular idea, you certainly can but I personally wouldn't admit to anything, if you do go in voluntarily be aware that you are free to leave at any time. (Unless you admit to anything or they have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that you committed a crime) Finally, I would call the number and talk to the detective (again don't admit to anything) it may be that they just want to document it. At the very least they document it and nothing happens, or they could give you a ticket (for most places petty theft is a $150 fine but this varies by area) or at the most they may bring you to court for petty theft, and as long as you aren't a repeat offender you may get anywhere from 3-35 days in prison (again varies by area) Before they send a warrant they will send something called a criminal complaint by mail, it is pretty much them arresting you and telling you to come to court without actually arresting you. I would strongly recommend going to the court date or else a warrant will be served for failure to appear. I hope I helped, and good luck to you.
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ztha2r
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| 0.89 |
A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fdmn6
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Hi, I am a police officer, here to offer my professional opinion/advise. It is very unusual for police departments to follow up after the store caught and released the person commiting the crime. So this could mean a few things. First of all, store security is unable to create warrants, even if they demand it, it's not up to them. Second, as stated previously if a store catches you and then releases you before police arrive it is very unusual for any action further, what most likely is happening is that the store is not doing super well economic-ly and they are looking to claim insurance on shoplifting. If that is the case they will be looking to press charges. YOU SHOULD GET A LAWYER. Third, it may seem out of character for me to say this but going in for an interview with a detective is not a spectacular idea, you certainly can but I personally wouldn't admit to anything, if you do go in voluntarily be aware that you are free to leave at any time. (Unless you admit to anything or they have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that you committed a crime) Finally, I would call the number and talk to the detective (again don't admit to anything) it may be that they just want to document it. At the very least they document it and nothing happens, or they could give you a ticket (for most places petty theft is a $150 fine but this varies by area) or at the most they may bring you to court for petty theft, and as long as you aren't a repeat offender you may get anywhere from 3-35 days in prison (again varies by area) Before they send a warrant they will send something called a criminal complaint by mail, it is pretty much them arresting you and telling you to come to court without actually arresting you. I would strongly recommend going to the court date or else a warrant will be served for failure to appear. I hope I helped, and good luck to you.
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The police are investigating this crime. They either want to speak without and then arrest you later or bring you in to arrest you on the day you make a statement. There is no benefit to you going to the station house to speak with them, doing so will likely lead to an immediate arrest. If they don’t have enough info at the moment you speaking with them might be enough to give them that. The right thing to do at the moment, is to seek legal counsel, if you cannot afford a private attorney reach out to your local legal aid attorney and they typically charge with a sliding scale or if you are low income they can provide free legal defense services for you. Once you have legal counsel speak with them about the case so they can best advise you. At this time without knowing more about the incident and without knowing more about your specific criminal history and background there is little more to add. Just to clarify ,do not speak with police or law enforcement without your attorney. Do not go to the meeting before you’ve spoken or consulted with your attorney.
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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OP is there more to the story? State police and “Fraud Investigation Unit” sound a bit heavy for just a shoplifting case. Still stand by don’t talk to them and get an attorney, but ESPECIALLY if there may be more to this, it is important to have a professional handle it.
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Doesn’t this sound like a bit much for a failed attempt to shoplift some toys from Walmart? Do the police show up at someone’s house for something like that? It seems like at most you’d just get a court summons because you’ve been charged. I’d never speak with the police alone, especially in this situation. It just feels like there’s more going on. Update: STATE POLICE? Fraud investigation? Do not under any circumstances talk to them. Get on the phone and call a lawyer. Stop any thoughts of contacting them at all, JUST STOP. This has the potential to be very serious.
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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Never give a voluntary statement to police. I would suggest you email this officer a cancellation and inform him that your invoking your 5th amendment right to not speak to him/her. No matter how much he tries to entice you to show up and talk. DONT DO IT! Remember the police can lie to you without repercussion where’s as you can not without facing additional charges. After invoking your 5th amendment right you can either hire and attorney to go from their. They won’t charge you a fortune to call the officer and find out what is going on. You can also watch the local warrant list and if your issued a warrant go down and surrender for it. Again NO Statements to police. The officer involved with most definitely try to interrogate you after your arrest. Just continue to invoke your 5th amendment right. The court can then appoint you and attorney if you’ve been unable to afford one on your own. Again saying ANYTHING to the police will often come back to bite you severally in the ass.
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Doesn’t this sound like a bit much for a failed attempt to shoplift some toys from Walmart? Do the police show up at someone’s house for something like that? It seems like at most you’d just get a court summons because you’ve been charged. I’d never speak with the police alone, especially in this situation. It just feels like there’s more going on. Update: STATE POLICE? Fraud investigation? Do not under any circumstances talk to them. Get on the phone and call a lawyer. Stop any thoughts of contacting them at all, JUST STOP. This has the potential to be very serious.
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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Doesn’t this sound like a bit much for a failed attempt to shoplift some toys from Walmart? Do the police show up at someone’s house for something like that? It seems like at most you’d just get a court summons because you’ve been charged. I’d never speak with the police alone, especially in this situation. It just feels like there’s more going on. Update: STATE POLICE? Fraud investigation? Do not under any circumstances talk to them. Get on the phone and call a lawyer. Stop any thoughts of contacting them at all, JUST STOP. This has the potential to be very serious.
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Not sure if this is relevant but.... did you actually walk out with the items? Or did they stop you in the store? If you returned the items in the store, it's possible they don't have enough proof that you were going to shoplift them, and are looking for more admission of guilt on your part.
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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What a load of blunders you have made. 1. Contact criminal defense attorney asap. You will want their professional advice and perhaps they can do the negotiation on your behalf. 2. Stop talking to the cops, Walmart or anyone else except your attorney about this. Everything you say can be used to put you behind bars. I assume you want to avoid this, so please stop talking. 3. Ignore everything that the cops say to you. They can lie to you to get a conviction. Nothing you say it going to help you get out of this trouble, nothing you say will reduce the trouble. So say nothing at all. 4. If they tell you that this won't help your situation, assert your 5th amendment right to silence. After that say nothing. To answer your question, yes officers appreciate your honesty. What benefit is it to you? Their appreciation is not going to get you your freedom. STOP TALKING.
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Doesn’t this sound like a bit much for a failed attempt to shoplift some toys from Walmart? Do the police show up at someone’s house for something like that? It seems like at most you’d just get a court summons because you’ve been charged. I’d never speak with the police alone, especially in this situation. It just feels like there’s more going on. Update: STATE POLICE? Fraud investigation? Do not under any circumstances talk to them. Get on the phone and call a lawyer. Stop any thoughts of contacting them at all, JUST STOP. This has the potential to be very serious.
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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> Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I suspect that is the case. I can't think of why else state police would be getting involved with a one-off shoplifting that occurred months ago. At this point, you need to get a defense lawyer and have them talk to the cops and figure out what exactly they think you did.
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Doesn’t this sound like a bit much for a failed attempt to shoplift some toys from Walmart? Do the police show up at someone’s house for something like that? It seems like at most you’d just get a court summons because you’ve been charged. I’d never speak with the police alone, especially in this situation. It just feels like there’s more going on. Update: STATE POLICE? Fraud investigation? Do not under any circumstances talk to them. Get on the phone and call a lawyer. Stop any thoughts of contacting them at all, JUST STOP. This has the potential to be very serious.
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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Doesn’t this sound like a bit much for a failed attempt to shoplift some toys from Walmart? Do the police show up at someone’s house for something like that? It seems like at most you’d just get a court summons because you’ve been charged. I’d never speak with the police alone, especially in this situation. It just feels like there’s more going on. Update: STATE POLICE? Fraud investigation? Do not under any circumstances talk to them. Get on the phone and call a lawyer. Stop any thoughts of contacting them at all, JUST STOP. This has the potential to be very serious.
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If they arrest you make sure you invoke your right to remain silent and ask for a lawyer
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fsprz
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The police are investigating this crime. They either want to speak without and then arrest you later or bring you in to arrest you on the day you make a statement. There is no benefit to you going to the station house to speak with them, doing so will likely lead to an immediate arrest. If they don’t have enough info at the moment you speaking with them might be enough to give them that. The right thing to do at the moment, is to seek legal counsel, if you cannot afford a private attorney reach out to your local legal aid attorney and they typically charge with a sliding scale or if you are low income they can provide free legal defense services for you. Once you have legal counsel speak with them about the case so they can best advise you. At this time without knowing more about the incident and without knowing more about your specific criminal history and background there is little more to add. Just to clarify ,do not speak with police or law enforcement without your attorney. Do not go to the meeting before you’ve spoken or consulted with your attorney.
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Doesn’t this sound like a bit much for a failed attempt to shoplift some toys from Walmart? Do the police show up at someone’s house for something like that? It seems like at most you’d just get a court summons because you’ve been charged. I’d never speak with the police alone, especially in this situation. It just feels like there’s more going on. Update: STATE POLICE? Fraud investigation? Do not under any circumstances talk to them. Get on the phone and call a lawyer. Stop any thoughts of contacting them at all, JUST STOP. This has the potential to be very serious.
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ztha2r
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fdmn6
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OP is there more to the story? State police and “Fraud Investigation Unit” sound a bit heavy for just a shoplifting case. Still stand by don’t talk to them and get an attorney, but ESPECIALLY if there may be more to this, it is important to have a professional handle it.
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The police are investigating this crime. They either want to speak without and then arrest you later or bring you in to arrest you on the day you make a statement. There is no benefit to you going to the station house to speak with them, doing so will likely lead to an immediate arrest. If they don’t have enough info at the moment you speaking with them might be enough to give them that. The right thing to do at the moment, is to seek legal counsel, if you cannot afford a private attorney reach out to your local legal aid attorney and they typically charge with a sliding scale or if you are low income they can provide free legal defense services for you. Once you have legal counsel speak with them about the case so they can best advise you. At this time without knowing more about the incident and without knowing more about your specific criminal history and background there is little more to add. Just to clarify ,do not speak with police or law enforcement without your attorney. Do not go to the meeting before you’ve spoken or consulted with your attorney.
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1feqgp
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The police are investigating this crime. They either want to speak without and then arrest you later or bring you in to arrest you on the day you make a statement. There is no benefit to you going to the station house to speak with them, doing so will likely lead to an immediate arrest. If they don’t have enough info at the moment you speaking with them might be enough to give them that. The right thing to do at the moment, is to seek legal counsel, if you cannot afford a private attorney reach out to your local legal aid attorney and they typically charge with a sliding scale or if you are low income they can provide free legal defense services for you. Once you have legal counsel speak with them about the case so they can best advise you. At this time without knowing more about the incident and without knowing more about your specific criminal history and background there is little more to add. Just to clarify ,do not speak with police or law enforcement without your attorney. Do not go to the meeting before you’ve spoken or consulted with your attorney.
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Never give a voluntary statement to police. I would suggest you email this officer a cancellation and inform him that your invoking your 5th amendment right to not speak to him/her. No matter how much he tries to entice you to show up and talk. DONT DO IT! Remember the police can lie to you without repercussion where’s as you can not without facing additional charges. After invoking your 5th amendment right you can either hire and attorney to go from their. They won’t charge you a fortune to call the officer and find out what is going on. You can also watch the local warrant list and if your issued a warrant go down and surrender for it. Again NO Statements to police. The officer involved with most definitely try to interrogate you after your arrest. Just continue to invoke your 5th amendment right. The court can then appoint you and attorney if you’ve been unable to afford one on your own. Again saying ANYTHING to the police will often come back to bite you severally in the ass.
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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As former law enforcement, most of the answers below annoy the hell out of me…. While this is common practice, mostly likely yes it was reported, however depending on your state and local laws, most shoplifting is only considered theft if it left the store, so most won’t be prosecuted even if your arrested also depends on the value of the item. Least where I worked that was the case. Secondly, yes we do like when your honest, cause if you lie and we find out it’s worse for you since that’s a felony, we are not out to just make arrests, my job was to investigate the complaint and identify if laws were broken, but then I had to make a case to the DA if they decided to prosecute great if not then I’m out an arrest. Most of us don’t want these arrests cause usually it’s people down on their luck, never been convicted of a crime or even considered it, mostly broke have kids making sure their fed while parents go hungry. I’ve bought food items for parents before who got caught shoplifting and store agreed as long as they didn’t come back it was ok. Best thing to do is before you go to this meeting consult an attorney, bring one with you. Legally unless we say your being detained or arrested your under no obligation to talk to us. Honestly this is a tactic to scare you, using the police station, typically a interview room that magically only unlocks if the officer uses the door. Consult an attorney once again best advice your gonna get and be honest with the attorney but do not go to that meeting with out a lawyer or their advice.
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Not sure if this is relevant but.... did you actually walk out with the items? Or did they stop you in the store? If you returned the items in the store, it's possible they don't have enough proof that you were going to shoplift them, and are looking for more admission of guilt on your part.
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ztha2r
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legaladvice_train
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1gnjwv
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j1fj20t
| 1,671,857,443 | 1,671,836,915 | 16 | 6 |
As former law enforcement, most of the answers below annoy the hell out of me…. While this is common practice, mostly likely yes it was reported, however depending on your state and local laws, most shoplifting is only considered theft if it left the store, so most won’t be prosecuted even if your arrested also depends on the value of the item. Least where I worked that was the case. Secondly, yes we do like when your honest, cause if you lie and we find out it’s worse for you since that’s a felony, we are not out to just make arrests, my job was to investigate the complaint and identify if laws were broken, but then I had to make a case to the DA if they decided to prosecute great if not then I’m out an arrest. Most of us don’t want these arrests cause usually it’s people down on their luck, never been convicted of a crime or even considered it, mostly broke have kids making sure their fed while parents go hungry. I’ve bought food items for parents before who got caught shoplifting and store agreed as long as they didn’t come back it was ok. Best thing to do is before you go to this meeting consult an attorney, bring one with you. Legally unless we say your being detained or arrested your under no obligation to talk to us. Honestly this is a tactic to scare you, using the police station, typically a interview room that magically only unlocks if the officer uses the door. Consult an attorney once again best advice your gonna get and be honest with the attorney but do not go to that meeting with out a lawyer or their advice.
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What a load of blunders you have made. 1. Contact criminal defense attorney asap. You will want their professional advice and perhaps they can do the negotiation on your behalf. 2. Stop talking to the cops, Walmart or anyone else except your attorney about this. Everything you say can be used to put you behind bars. I assume you want to avoid this, so please stop talking. 3. Ignore everything that the cops say to you. They can lie to you to get a conviction. Nothing you say it going to help you get out of this trouble, nothing you say will reduce the trouble. So say nothing at all. 4. If they tell you that this won't help your situation, assert your 5th amendment right to silence. After that say nothing. To answer your question, yes officers appreciate your honesty. What benefit is it to you? Their appreciation is not going to get you your freedom. STOP TALKING.
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ztha2r
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legaladvice_train
| 0.89 |
A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1gnjwv
| 1,671,840,207 | 1,671,857,443 | 5 | 16 |
> Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I suspect that is the case. I can't think of why else state police would be getting involved with a one-off shoplifting that occurred months ago. At this point, you need to get a defense lawyer and have them talk to the cops and figure out what exactly they think you did.
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As former law enforcement, most of the answers below annoy the hell out of me…. While this is common practice, mostly likely yes it was reported, however depending on your state and local laws, most shoplifting is only considered theft if it left the store, so most won’t be prosecuted even if your arrested also depends on the value of the item. Least where I worked that was the case. Secondly, yes we do like when your honest, cause if you lie and we find out it’s worse for you since that’s a felony, we are not out to just make arrests, my job was to investigate the complaint and identify if laws were broken, but then I had to make a case to the DA if they decided to prosecute great if not then I’m out an arrest. Most of us don’t want these arrests cause usually it’s people down on their luck, never been convicted of a crime or even considered it, mostly broke have kids making sure their fed while parents go hungry. I’ve bought food items for parents before who got caught shoplifting and store agreed as long as they didn’t come back it was ok. Best thing to do is before you go to this meeting consult an attorney, bring one with you. Legally unless we say your being detained or arrested your under no obligation to talk to us. Honestly this is a tactic to scare you, using the police station, typically a interview room that magically only unlocks if the officer uses the door. Consult an attorney once again best advice your gonna get and be honest with the attorney but do not go to that meeting with out a lawyer or their advice.
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ztha2r
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legaladvice_train
| 0.89 |
A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fialh
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j1gnjwv
| 1,671,836,564 | 1,671,857,443 | 3 | 16 |
If they arrest you make sure you invoke your right to remain silent and ask for a lawyer
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As former law enforcement, most of the answers below annoy the hell out of me…. While this is common practice, mostly likely yes it was reported, however depending on your state and local laws, most shoplifting is only considered theft if it left the store, so most won’t be prosecuted even if your arrested also depends on the value of the item. Least where I worked that was the case. Secondly, yes we do like when your honest, cause if you lie and we find out it’s worse for you since that’s a felony, we are not out to just make arrests, my job was to investigate the complaint and identify if laws were broken, but then I had to make a case to the DA if they decided to prosecute great if not then I’m out an arrest. Most of us don’t want these arrests cause usually it’s people down on their luck, never been convicted of a crime or even considered it, mostly broke have kids making sure their fed while parents go hungry. I’ve bought food items for parents before who got caught shoplifting and store agreed as long as they didn’t come back it was ok. Best thing to do is before you go to this meeting consult an attorney, bring one with you. Legally unless we say your being detained or arrested your under no obligation to talk to us. Honestly this is a tactic to scare you, using the police station, typically a interview room that magically only unlocks if the officer uses the door. Consult an attorney once again best advice your gonna get and be honest with the attorney but do not go to that meeting with out a lawyer or their advice.
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ztha2r
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legaladvice_train
| 0.89 |
A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fdmn6
| 1,671,857,443 | 1,671,834,311 | 16 | 3 |
As former law enforcement, most of the answers below annoy the hell out of me…. While this is common practice, mostly likely yes it was reported, however depending on your state and local laws, most shoplifting is only considered theft if it left the store, so most won’t be prosecuted even if your arrested also depends on the value of the item. Least where I worked that was the case. Secondly, yes we do like when your honest, cause if you lie and we find out it’s worse for you since that’s a felony, we are not out to just make arrests, my job was to investigate the complaint and identify if laws were broken, but then I had to make a case to the DA if they decided to prosecute great if not then I’m out an arrest. Most of us don’t want these arrests cause usually it’s people down on their luck, never been convicted of a crime or even considered it, mostly broke have kids making sure their fed while parents go hungry. I’ve bought food items for parents before who got caught shoplifting and store agreed as long as they didn’t come back it was ok. Best thing to do is before you go to this meeting consult an attorney, bring one with you. Legally unless we say your being detained or arrested your under no obligation to talk to us. Honestly this is a tactic to scare you, using the police station, typically a interview room that magically only unlocks if the officer uses the door. Consult an attorney once again best advice your gonna get and be honest with the attorney but do not go to that meeting with out a lawyer or their advice.
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The police are investigating this crime. They either want to speak without and then arrest you later or bring you in to arrest you on the day you make a statement. There is no benefit to you going to the station house to speak with them, doing so will likely lead to an immediate arrest. If they don’t have enough info at the moment you speaking with them might be enough to give them that. The right thing to do at the moment, is to seek legal counsel, if you cannot afford a private attorney reach out to your local legal aid attorney and they typically charge with a sliding scale or if you are low income they can provide free legal defense services for you. Once you have legal counsel speak with them about the case so they can best advise you. At this time without knowing more about the incident and without knowing more about your specific criminal history and background there is little more to add. Just to clarify ,do not speak with police or law enforcement without your attorney. Do not go to the meeting before you’ve spoken or consulted with your attorney.
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ztha2r
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legaladvice_train
| 0.89 |
A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fj20t
| 1,671,839,693 | 1,671,836,915 | 14 | 6 |
Not sure if this is relevant but.... did you actually walk out with the items? Or did they stop you in the store? If you returned the items in the store, it's possible they don't have enough proof that you were going to shoplift them, and are looking for more admission of guilt on your part.
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What a load of blunders you have made. 1. Contact criminal defense attorney asap. You will want their professional advice and perhaps they can do the negotiation on your behalf. 2. Stop talking to the cops, Walmart or anyone else except your attorney about this. Everything you say can be used to put you behind bars. I assume you want to avoid this, so please stop talking. 3. Ignore everything that the cops say to you. They can lie to you to get a conviction. Nothing you say it going to help you get out of this trouble, nothing you say will reduce the trouble. So say nothing at all. 4. If they tell you that this won't help your situation, assert your 5th amendment right to silence. After that say nothing. To answer your question, yes officers appreciate your honesty. What benefit is it to you? Their appreciation is not going to get you your freedom. STOP TALKING.
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ztha2r
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legaladvice_train
| 0.89 |
A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fialh
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j1fp0q4
| 1,671,836,564 | 1,671,839,693 | 3 | 14 |
If they arrest you make sure you invoke your right to remain silent and ask for a lawyer
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Not sure if this is relevant but.... did you actually walk out with the items? Or did they stop you in the store? If you returned the items in the store, it's possible they don't have enough proof that you were going to shoplift them, and are looking for more admission of guilt on your part.
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ztha2r
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legaladvice_train
| 0.89 |
A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fdmn6
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j1fp0q4
| 1,671,834,311 | 1,671,839,693 | 3 | 14 |
The police are investigating this crime. They either want to speak without and then arrest you later or bring you in to arrest you on the day you make a statement. There is no benefit to you going to the station house to speak with them, doing so will likely lead to an immediate arrest. If they don’t have enough info at the moment you speaking with them might be enough to give them that. The right thing to do at the moment, is to seek legal counsel, if you cannot afford a private attorney reach out to your local legal aid attorney and they typically charge with a sliding scale or if you are low income they can provide free legal defense services for you. Once you have legal counsel speak with them about the case so they can best advise you. At this time without knowing more about the incident and without knowing more about your specific criminal history and background there is little more to add. Just to clarify ,do not speak with police or law enforcement without your attorney. Do not go to the meeting before you’ve spoken or consulted with your attorney.
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Not sure if this is relevant but.... did you actually walk out with the items? Or did they stop you in the store? If you returned the items in the store, it's possible they don't have enough proof that you were going to shoplift them, and are looking for more admission of guilt on your part.
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ztha2r
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legaladvice_train
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fialh
| 1,671,836,915 | 1,671,836,564 | 6 | 3 |
What a load of blunders you have made. 1. Contact criminal defense attorney asap. You will want their professional advice and perhaps they can do the negotiation on your behalf. 2. Stop talking to the cops, Walmart or anyone else except your attorney about this. Everything you say can be used to put you behind bars. I assume you want to avoid this, so please stop talking. 3. Ignore everything that the cops say to you. They can lie to you to get a conviction. Nothing you say it going to help you get out of this trouble, nothing you say will reduce the trouble. So say nothing at all. 4. If they tell you that this won't help your situation, assert your 5th amendment right to silence. After that say nothing. To answer your question, yes officers appreciate your honesty. What benefit is it to you? Their appreciation is not going to get you your freedom. STOP TALKING.
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If they arrest you make sure you invoke your right to remain silent and ask for a lawyer
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ztha2r
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legaladvice_train
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fj20t
| 1,671,834,311 | 1,671,836,915 | 3 | 6 |
The police are investigating this crime. They either want to speak without and then arrest you later or bring you in to arrest you on the day you make a statement. There is no benefit to you going to the station house to speak with them, doing so will likely lead to an immediate arrest. If they don’t have enough info at the moment you speaking with them might be enough to give them that. The right thing to do at the moment, is to seek legal counsel, if you cannot afford a private attorney reach out to your local legal aid attorney and they typically charge with a sliding scale or if you are low income they can provide free legal defense services for you. Once you have legal counsel speak with them about the case so they can best advise you. At this time without knowing more about the incident and without knowing more about your specific criminal history and background there is little more to add. Just to clarify ,do not speak with police or law enforcement without your attorney. Do not go to the meeting before you’ve spoken or consulted with your attorney.
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What a load of blunders you have made. 1. Contact criminal defense attorney asap. You will want their professional advice and perhaps they can do the negotiation on your behalf. 2. Stop talking to the cops, Walmart or anyone else except your attorney about this. Everything you say can be used to put you behind bars. I assume you want to avoid this, so please stop talking. 3. Ignore everything that the cops say to you. They can lie to you to get a conviction. Nothing you say it going to help you get out of this trouble, nothing you say will reduce the trouble. So say nothing at all. 4. If they tell you that this won't help your situation, assert your 5th amendment right to silence. After that say nothing. To answer your question, yes officers appreciate your honesty. What benefit is it to you? Their appreciation is not going to get you your freedom. STOP TALKING.
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ztha2r
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fq3b2
| 1,671,836,564 | 1,671,840,207 | 3 | 5 |
If they arrest you make sure you invoke your right to remain silent and ask for a lawyer
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> Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I suspect that is the case. I can't think of why else state police would be getting involved with a one-off shoplifting that occurred months ago. At this point, you need to get a defense lawyer and have them talk to the cops and figure out what exactly they think you did.
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ztha2r
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legaladvice_train
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A state cop left a business card in my front door So, I was gone up at a hospital seeing my dad as he had a cardiac arrest. My sister was at home and when she happened to be putting the dog outside she saw a business card fall to the ground right by the dog chain. Picked it up and it's from a state police officer with my name written on it, the cop's email, cellphone, and fax. Underneath his name it says "fraud investigation unit". Some backstory, I was caught 2 to 3 months ago trying to steal some children's toy from Walmart. The security caught me, and I immediately admitted that yes I had the items in my purse and I gave it back to them and the whole time was very cooperative and civil. The man who caught me even commented on how honest I was being with them and that he appreciated it. He told me that the police wouldn't be coming that day, but within 3 months I would have a warrant out for my arrest and to continuously keep checking the local warrant list. Months went by after the shoplifting attempt and I started to think they just didn't report it. Now I have this business card in my door, and I contacted the police officer through email and we have agreed to meet up at the local state police station for what I assume is an interrogation. I am still checking the warrant list and I am not listed on there. I'm just a tad bit confused as to why he wants to talk to me about "some retail frauds that happened" even while there is no warrant yet. Do interrogations come first before a warrant is issued? Sorry I am not smart with how legal affairs work. I also remember when I was caught by the Walmart security them asking me if I was a lady named "Heather", and they asked if they had seen me before, to which neither is true. Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I committed the act alone, so let's just say this is only for him asking if I committed the crime in Walmart that day would be best to be honest with the officer? Do officers appreciate honesty when questioning you?
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j1fdmn6
| 1,671,840,207 | 1,671,834,311 | 5 | 3 |
> Is it possible that they want to question me because they think I'm apart of some larger shoplifting/retail fraud crime ring? I suspect that is the case. I can't think of why else state police would be getting involved with a one-off shoplifting that occurred months ago. At this point, you need to get a defense lawyer and have them talk to the cops and figure out what exactly they think you did.
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The police are investigating this crime. They either want to speak without and then arrest you later or bring you in to arrest you on the day you make a statement. There is no benefit to you going to the station house to speak with them, doing so will likely lead to an immediate arrest. If they don’t have enough info at the moment you speaking with them might be enough to give them that. The right thing to do at the moment, is to seek legal counsel, if you cannot afford a private attorney reach out to your local legal aid attorney and they typically charge with a sliding scale or if you are low income they can provide free legal defense services for you. Once you have legal counsel speak with them about the case so they can best advise you. At this time without knowing more about the incident and without knowing more about your specific criminal history and background there is little more to add. Just to clarify ,do not speak with police or law enforcement without your attorney. Do not go to the meeting before you’ve spoken or consulted with your attorney.
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y43eca
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My landlord set up security cameras at the front and back doors of the property for “safety” reasons, now she’s texting me asking who’s staying over and asking for their lease to prove that they’re not living here. Recently my boyfriend has been spending more time over at my place, but he usually leaves around 2-3am. I’m guessing that the landlord has been monitoring whose been coming in and out of the property, now she’s demanding to see my boyfriend’s lease at his home. Is this okay to do or should I deny her from demanding to see his private information?
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isbwe84
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What state or province is the unit in? Are you planning on renewing your lease at the end of the term? (Note that in some jurisdictions you cannot be required to do so in order to preserve your tenancy.) Does your lease contain any language regarding additional occupants? The basic answer is that you don't _have_ to do anything - not even respond. However, there might be reasons you want to respond depending on the facts around your tenancy. That response might be giving her what she wants, telling her to stop harassing you, or even filing with a local tenancy tribunal, depending on your specific rights (which, again, depend on where the unit is).
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She can’t force you to show her your boyfriend’s lease, but if she believes you have moved him in in violation of your lease terms, she may be able to evict you.
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y43eca
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legaladvice_train
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My landlord set up security cameras at the front and back doors of the property for “safety” reasons, now she’s texting me asking who’s staying over and asking for their lease to prove that they’re not living here. Recently my boyfriend has been spending more time over at my place, but he usually leaves around 2-3am. I’m guessing that the landlord has been monitoring whose been coming in and out of the property, now she’s demanding to see my boyfriend’s lease at his home. Is this okay to do or should I deny her from demanding to see his private information?
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iserah1
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iseowaj
| 1,665,837,444 | 1,665,835,986 | 148 | 43 |
Do not show your landlord any lease agreement that your bf has. Go and discuss this with a lawyer. You do not know what your landlord motives are. There is nothing requiring him to prove he's not living there. Also find out if those cameras are wireless, and solar powered or hardwired. If they are hardwired find out where they are getting power from. If you are paying the electricity bill and these cameras are being powered from your unit, you are legally able to cut them off for your landlord is costing you money. You can also look into stalking laws in your area, security cameras are for the purpose of security, not to spy on tenants which can be a violation of your right to privacy. Best advice I can give go find a lawyer and have them write up a cease and dismiss letter to your landlord.
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The landlord can have issues if your boyfriend creates a legal tenancy. Landlord does have a right to know who lives there but as a landlord i think his method of investigation and communication are awful and creepy. What a landlord doesn't want to deal with is you two break up after he moves in and landlord is left with unknown tenant because you leave. Again, their method is awful. especially if he is leaving more often then not and it sounds like his camera sees that. Maybe text your landlord a few times at "3am - boyfriend is leaving now". i am sort of half joking but have every right to be annoyed.
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t38x8s
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DoorDash delivery guy showed up drunk and threatened to kill me and my dogs I filed a police report and contacted DoorDash already, but I doubt this jerk will face any consequences. He knows where I live and stayed outside my house after the incident occurred. The police seemed very uninterested once I said I did not have proof (on video, pictures, etc.) I was terrified and dropped my phone when the delivery guy started yelling at me. By the time cops showed up, he was gone. This occurred around 10pm so it was dark outside and I couldn't see his car. The delivery guy also didn't match description on the app. After handing me what I thought was my food at the time (turned out to be trash), he asked if he could kick my dogs because they were barking non-stop at him. He continued to ask and eventually told me to he will throw a rock at them if they wouldn't shut up. At that point I ran inside and he continued to yell saying he will kill me and my f'n dogs. I do not have cameras but there was a bystander that saw everything and I would like to know if there's anything I can do? Do I have any options? Possible lawsuit? This occurred in California.
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hyr2odx
| 1,646,029,895 | 1,646,032,987 | 21 | 39 |
I'm sorry this sucks, I'm sorry that without proof theirs little they can do. Your testimony is proof, but invest in cameras. If only to make yourself feel safe with this crazy guy out their.
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You can complain to Doordash. Beyond that, unless he comes back, there's not much you can do. If he does, start recording. But drunk idiots usually don't return.
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ekmewi
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legaladvice_train
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Adopted a dog from the humane society, now a person claiming to be a past owner wants him so they are canceling my adoption. Who is in the right? Hi r/legaladvise I could really use your help. Yesterday, Saturday January 4th, I went to the humane society (Kitsap County, Washington State) and adopted a 4 year old Rottweiler male. He was a stray that had no name tag, no microchip, and had no prior registration with the city or county. He was placed in stray hold but nobody came for him. The day he became available for adoption was also the day I adopted him. I payed his adoption fee, signed the adoption contract (I can post a pic if it helps), payed to have him registered in my name with the city that I live in, and was given a care packet and some probiotics for him to take home with me. Since he came in to the shelter un-neutered, I would have to wait until his surgery day, Monday the 6th of January, to take him home. Today, Sunday the 5th, I got a call from a woman working at the shelter that someone has come forward to claim the dog. She said that since the dog is not currently in my home and is still at the shelter (mind you he is only at the shelter because he needs to be neutered, which is part of the adoption fee and agreement), that for that reason she decieded to cancel the adoption and is going to release him to the other party instead (this decision is being made over 24 hours after I signed the adoption contract, mind you). The parties only proof of ownership was a "lost dog" flyer from a year ago and some photographs. I feel like it was wrong for the woman working there to cancel my adoption. She made a decision in favor of the other party who, as far as I understand, lost their legal ownership of the dog. All of the other staff I talked to agreed that legally the dog is mine and that she cannot cancel an adoption like that. (sidenote, the other party claimed that they lost the dog over a year ago. I also found out that the area where the person lives is also the same area that the dog was picked up as a stray... Did they not try to look for him during that year???) I just drove down to the shelter to speak with the woman in person. It was very frustrating as she tried to make it seem like it was somehow my idea to turn the dog over to the other party, when in reality she just called me on the phone to tell me the decision was made and that was that. Ultimately she said she is not sure what to do since this situation hasn't happened before. It needs to be addressed by the shelter director and the legal team but they won't be in the office until tomorrow. My worry is that the dog might be neutered and released tomorrow before this issue gets addressed. If anyone is familiar with pet ownership/adoption rights or anything that could help I would really appreciate it ... I'm an emotional wreck right now and could really use some advice :(
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fdct0u6
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I’m glad I re-read this before posting as I wrongly assumed the original owner had just lost the dog. In that case I would have gone with the original owner as the hold period had just expired and I could’ve seen a definite moral need to reunite the previous owner and dog and perhaps even a legal need depending on how frantic they were looking for it. But that’s not the case. You described that they lost the dog for over a year. That moral case for them being the rightful owner is cold and really can’t sway any legal weight, either. So now that you seem to be in the right, how much are you willing to pony up to get this settled? Are you willing to drop money on a lawyer to get this dog? Even a demand letter may cost you more than the adoption fee. Are you willing to sue a non-profit for an animal you never had in your home? That’s not me judging, it’s a legit question.
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I am not a lawyer but I work for a shelter and we've had this situation happen several times. You should be able to see on your paperwork the intake date, and how long dog was held for stray hold. My state is 3 open business days (although we hold for 5). Another state I worked for was 5. You can find these laws with Google search, under your state's agriculture laws. I highly doubt your shelter didn't follow these laws as it would be their license. Pets are property. Before the dog was transferred to you, s/he belonged to the shelter and they had every right to make decisions for that pet. When ownership was transferred to you, that means you are now responsible for all decisions made for this pet. With that said, MOST of the time this happened it was because the owners knew the pet was there and slacked to pick up, or just didn't care enough to look. I won't even reach out to new adopters in these cases. Majority of time by far we see the adopter as a better outcome for the pet-- and after 3 or 5 day legal stray hold, that's our call. UNLESS the situation is one where the pet is loved, but an honest mistake was made. For example, we had a pet whose family went out of town and left with a family member they thought they could trust. There were kids involved, really sad. In that case we did reach out to the adopters to explain the situation, but the ball was in their court 100%. Adopterd chose to not return the dog, and that was the end of it. The only person who sucks in that story is the dog sitter. Not the shelter, not the adopter. So to echo what many have said-- surely they wouldn't request this if it weren't a legitimate situation? Have they told you why they are working so hard to get the dog back to the owners? Either way, the ball is in your court. If you decide not to return, it isn't your fault. It sucks that you may have to make that choice.
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ekmewi
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legaladvice_train
| 0.93 |
Adopted a dog from the humane society, now a person claiming to be a past owner wants him so they are canceling my adoption. Who is in the right? Hi r/legaladvise I could really use your help. Yesterday, Saturday January 4th, I went to the humane society (Kitsap County, Washington State) and adopted a 4 year old Rottweiler male. He was a stray that had no name tag, no microchip, and had no prior registration with the city or county. He was placed in stray hold but nobody came for him. The day he became available for adoption was also the day I adopted him. I payed his adoption fee, signed the adoption contract (I can post a pic if it helps), payed to have him registered in my name with the city that I live in, and was given a care packet and some probiotics for him to take home with me. Since he came in to the shelter un-neutered, I would have to wait until his surgery day, Monday the 6th of January, to take him home. Today, Sunday the 5th, I got a call from a woman working at the shelter that someone has come forward to claim the dog. She said that since the dog is not currently in my home and is still at the shelter (mind you he is only at the shelter because he needs to be neutered, which is part of the adoption fee and agreement), that for that reason she decieded to cancel the adoption and is going to release him to the other party instead (this decision is being made over 24 hours after I signed the adoption contract, mind you). The parties only proof of ownership was a "lost dog" flyer from a year ago and some photographs. I feel like it was wrong for the woman working there to cancel my adoption. She made a decision in favor of the other party who, as far as I understand, lost their legal ownership of the dog. All of the other staff I talked to agreed that legally the dog is mine and that she cannot cancel an adoption like that. (sidenote, the other party claimed that they lost the dog over a year ago. I also found out that the area where the person lives is also the same area that the dog was picked up as a stray... Did they not try to look for him during that year???) I just drove down to the shelter to speak with the woman in person. It was very frustrating as she tried to make it seem like it was somehow my idea to turn the dog over to the other party, when in reality she just called me on the phone to tell me the decision was made and that was that. Ultimately she said she is not sure what to do since this situation hasn't happened before. It needs to be addressed by the shelter director and the legal team but they won't be in the office until tomorrow. My worry is that the dog might be neutered and released tomorrow before this issue gets addressed. If anyone is familiar with pet ownership/adoption rights or anything that could help I would really appreciate it ... I'm an emotional wreck right now and could really use some advice :(
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fdcliqn
| 1,578,283,486 | 1,578,277,886 | 269 | 37 |
I am not a lawyer but I work for a shelter and we've had this situation happen several times. You should be able to see on your paperwork the intake date, and how long dog was held for stray hold. My state is 3 open business days (although we hold for 5). Another state I worked for was 5. You can find these laws with Google search, under your state's agriculture laws. I highly doubt your shelter didn't follow these laws as it would be their license. Pets are property. Before the dog was transferred to you, s/he belonged to the shelter and they had every right to make decisions for that pet. When ownership was transferred to you, that means you are now responsible for all decisions made for this pet. With that said, MOST of the time this happened it was because the owners knew the pet was there and slacked to pick up, or just didn't care enough to look. I won't even reach out to new adopters in these cases. Majority of time by far we see the adopter as a better outcome for the pet-- and after 3 or 5 day legal stray hold, that's our call. UNLESS the situation is one where the pet is loved, but an honest mistake was made. For example, we had a pet whose family went out of town and left with a family member they thought they could trust. There were kids involved, really sad. In that case we did reach out to the adopters to explain the situation, but the ball was in their court 100%. Adopterd chose to not return the dog, and that was the end of it. The only person who sucks in that story is the dog sitter. Not the shelter, not the adopter. So to echo what many have said-- surely they wouldn't request this if it weren't a legitimate situation? Have they told you why they are working so hard to get the dog back to the owners? Either way, the ball is in your court. If you decide not to return, it isn't your fault. It sucks that you may have to make that choice.
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They are not required to give you the dog. They do have to make you whole, and would either need to provide you with another dog from the shelter, or a full refund of your fees. I’m sure you are attached to this dog, but put yourself in the family’s place. Maybe they lost him because a friend was taking care of him, or he broke out of a fence. If your pet, would you care that you were one day late in finding him? There will be other dogs for you.
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ekmewi
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legaladvice_train
| 0.93 |
Adopted a dog from the humane society, now a person claiming to be a past owner wants him so they are canceling my adoption. Who is in the right? Hi r/legaladvise I could really use your help. Yesterday, Saturday January 4th, I went to the humane society (Kitsap County, Washington State) and adopted a 4 year old Rottweiler male. He was a stray that had no name tag, no microchip, and had no prior registration with the city or county. He was placed in stray hold but nobody came for him. The day he became available for adoption was also the day I adopted him. I payed his adoption fee, signed the adoption contract (I can post a pic if it helps), payed to have him registered in my name with the city that I live in, and was given a care packet and some probiotics for him to take home with me. Since he came in to the shelter un-neutered, I would have to wait until his surgery day, Monday the 6th of January, to take him home. Today, Sunday the 5th, I got a call from a woman working at the shelter that someone has come forward to claim the dog. She said that since the dog is not currently in my home and is still at the shelter (mind you he is only at the shelter because he needs to be neutered, which is part of the adoption fee and agreement), that for that reason she decieded to cancel the adoption and is going to release him to the other party instead (this decision is being made over 24 hours after I signed the adoption contract, mind you). The parties only proof of ownership was a "lost dog" flyer from a year ago and some photographs. I feel like it was wrong for the woman working there to cancel my adoption. She made a decision in favor of the other party who, as far as I understand, lost their legal ownership of the dog. All of the other staff I talked to agreed that legally the dog is mine and that she cannot cancel an adoption like that. (sidenote, the other party claimed that they lost the dog over a year ago. I also found out that the area where the person lives is also the same area that the dog was picked up as a stray... Did they not try to look for him during that year???) I just drove down to the shelter to speak with the woman in person. It was very frustrating as she tried to make it seem like it was somehow my idea to turn the dog over to the other party, when in reality she just called me on the phone to tell me the decision was made and that was that. Ultimately she said she is not sure what to do since this situation hasn't happened before. It needs to be addressed by the shelter director and the legal team but they won't be in the office until tomorrow. My worry is that the dog might be neutered and released tomorrow before this issue gets addressed. If anyone is familiar with pet ownership/adoption rights or anything that could help I would really appreciate it ... I'm an emotional wreck right now and could really use some advice :(
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fdco60g
| 1,578,283,486 | 1,578,279,791 | 269 | 40 |
I am not a lawyer but I work for a shelter and we've had this situation happen several times. You should be able to see on your paperwork the intake date, and how long dog was held for stray hold. My state is 3 open business days (although we hold for 5). Another state I worked for was 5. You can find these laws with Google search, under your state's agriculture laws. I highly doubt your shelter didn't follow these laws as it would be their license. Pets are property. Before the dog was transferred to you, s/he belonged to the shelter and they had every right to make decisions for that pet. When ownership was transferred to you, that means you are now responsible for all decisions made for this pet. With that said, MOST of the time this happened it was because the owners knew the pet was there and slacked to pick up, or just didn't care enough to look. I won't even reach out to new adopters in these cases. Majority of time by far we see the adopter as a better outcome for the pet-- and after 3 or 5 day legal stray hold, that's our call. UNLESS the situation is one where the pet is loved, but an honest mistake was made. For example, we had a pet whose family went out of town and left with a family member they thought they could trust. There were kids involved, really sad. In that case we did reach out to the adopters to explain the situation, but the ball was in their court 100%. Adopterd chose to not return the dog, and that was the end of it. The only person who sucks in that story is the dog sitter. Not the shelter, not the adopter. So to echo what many have said-- surely they wouldn't request this if it weren't a legitimate situation? Have they told you why they are working so hard to get the dog back to the owners? Either way, the ball is in your court. If you decide not to return, it isn't your fault. It sucks that you may have to make that choice.
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I would try to find out more information about the owner. If it's a good home, you should be really happy they found their dog and happily hand him over. If not, try to fight to keep him.
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ekmewi
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legaladvice_train
| 0.93 |
Adopted a dog from the humane society, now a person claiming to be a past owner wants him so they are canceling my adoption. Who is in the right? Hi r/legaladvise I could really use your help. Yesterday, Saturday January 4th, I went to the humane society (Kitsap County, Washington State) and adopted a 4 year old Rottweiler male. He was a stray that had no name tag, no microchip, and had no prior registration with the city or county. He was placed in stray hold but nobody came for him. The day he became available for adoption was also the day I adopted him. I payed his adoption fee, signed the adoption contract (I can post a pic if it helps), payed to have him registered in my name with the city that I live in, and was given a care packet and some probiotics for him to take home with me. Since he came in to the shelter un-neutered, I would have to wait until his surgery day, Monday the 6th of January, to take him home. Today, Sunday the 5th, I got a call from a woman working at the shelter that someone has come forward to claim the dog. She said that since the dog is not currently in my home and is still at the shelter (mind you he is only at the shelter because he needs to be neutered, which is part of the adoption fee and agreement), that for that reason she decieded to cancel the adoption and is going to release him to the other party instead (this decision is being made over 24 hours after I signed the adoption contract, mind you). The parties only proof of ownership was a "lost dog" flyer from a year ago and some photographs. I feel like it was wrong for the woman working there to cancel my adoption. She made a decision in favor of the other party who, as far as I understand, lost their legal ownership of the dog. All of the other staff I talked to agreed that legally the dog is mine and that she cannot cancel an adoption like that. (sidenote, the other party claimed that they lost the dog over a year ago. I also found out that the area where the person lives is also the same area that the dog was picked up as a stray... Did they not try to look for him during that year???) I just drove down to the shelter to speak with the woman in person. It was very frustrating as she tried to make it seem like it was somehow my idea to turn the dog over to the other party, when in reality she just called me on the phone to tell me the decision was made and that was that. Ultimately she said she is not sure what to do since this situation hasn't happened before. It needs to be addressed by the shelter director and the legal team but they won't be in the office until tomorrow. My worry is that the dog might be neutered and released tomorrow before this issue gets addressed. If anyone is familiar with pet ownership/adoption rights or anything that could help I would really appreciate it ... I'm an emotional wreck right now and could really use some advice :(
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fdcliqn
| 1,578,281,229 | 1,578,277,886 | 64 | 37 |
I’m glad I re-read this before posting as I wrongly assumed the original owner had just lost the dog. In that case I would have gone with the original owner as the hold period had just expired and I could’ve seen a definite moral need to reunite the previous owner and dog and perhaps even a legal need depending on how frantic they were looking for it. But that’s not the case. You described that they lost the dog for over a year. That moral case for them being the rightful owner is cold and really can’t sway any legal weight, either. So now that you seem to be in the right, how much are you willing to pony up to get this settled? Are you willing to drop money on a lawyer to get this dog? Even a demand letter may cost you more than the adoption fee. Are you willing to sue a non-profit for an animal you never had in your home? That’s not me judging, it’s a legit question.
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They are not required to give you the dog. They do have to make you whole, and would either need to provide you with another dog from the shelter, or a full refund of your fees. I’m sure you are attached to this dog, but put yourself in the family’s place. Maybe they lost him because a friend was taking care of him, or he broke out of a fence. If your pet, would you care that you were one day late in finding him? There will be other dogs for you.
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ekmewi
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Adopted a dog from the humane society, now a person claiming to be a past owner wants him so they are canceling my adoption. Who is in the right? Hi r/legaladvise I could really use your help. Yesterday, Saturday January 4th, I went to the humane society (Kitsap County, Washington State) and adopted a 4 year old Rottweiler male. He was a stray that had no name tag, no microchip, and had no prior registration with the city or county. He was placed in stray hold but nobody came for him. The day he became available for adoption was also the day I adopted him. I payed his adoption fee, signed the adoption contract (I can post a pic if it helps), payed to have him registered in my name with the city that I live in, and was given a care packet and some probiotics for him to take home with me. Since he came in to the shelter un-neutered, I would have to wait until his surgery day, Monday the 6th of January, to take him home. Today, Sunday the 5th, I got a call from a woman working at the shelter that someone has come forward to claim the dog. She said that since the dog is not currently in my home and is still at the shelter (mind you he is only at the shelter because he needs to be neutered, which is part of the adoption fee and agreement), that for that reason she decieded to cancel the adoption and is going to release him to the other party instead (this decision is being made over 24 hours after I signed the adoption contract, mind you). The parties only proof of ownership was a "lost dog" flyer from a year ago and some photographs. I feel like it was wrong for the woman working there to cancel my adoption. She made a decision in favor of the other party who, as far as I understand, lost their legal ownership of the dog. All of the other staff I talked to agreed that legally the dog is mine and that she cannot cancel an adoption like that. (sidenote, the other party claimed that they lost the dog over a year ago. I also found out that the area where the person lives is also the same area that the dog was picked up as a stray... Did they not try to look for him during that year???) I just drove down to the shelter to speak with the woman in person. It was very frustrating as she tried to make it seem like it was somehow my idea to turn the dog over to the other party, when in reality she just called me on the phone to tell me the decision was made and that was that. Ultimately she said she is not sure what to do since this situation hasn't happened before. It needs to be addressed by the shelter director and the legal team but they won't be in the office until tomorrow. My worry is that the dog might be neutered and released tomorrow before this issue gets addressed. If anyone is familiar with pet ownership/adoption rights or anything that could help I would really appreciate it ... I'm an emotional wreck right now and could really use some advice :(
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fdcq4dv
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I would try to find out more information about the owner. If it's a good home, you should be really happy they found their dog and happily hand him over. If not, try to fight to keep him.
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I’m glad I re-read this before posting as I wrongly assumed the original owner had just lost the dog. In that case I would have gone with the original owner as the hold period had just expired and I could’ve seen a definite moral need to reunite the previous owner and dog and perhaps even a legal need depending on how frantic they were looking for it. But that’s not the case. You described that they lost the dog for over a year. That moral case for them being the rightful owner is cold and really can’t sway any legal weight, either. So now that you seem to be in the right, how much are you willing to pony up to get this settled? Are you willing to drop money on a lawyer to get this dog? Even a demand letter may cost you more than the adoption fee. Are you willing to sue a non-profit for an animal you never had in your home? That’s not me judging, it’s a legit question.
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ekmewi
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Adopted a dog from the humane society, now a person claiming to be a past owner wants him so they are canceling my adoption. Who is in the right? Hi r/legaladvise I could really use your help. Yesterday, Saturday January 4th, I went to the humane society (Kitsap County, Washington State) and adopted a 4 year old Rottweiler male. He was a stray that had no name tag, no microchip, and had no prior registration with the city or county. He was placed in stray hold but nobody came for him. The day he became available for adoption was also the day I adopted him. I payed his adoption fee, signed the adoption contract (I can post a pic if it helps), payed to have him registered in my name with the city that I live in, and was given a care packet and some probiotics for him to take home with me. Since he came in to the shelter un-neutered, I would have to wait until his surgery day, Monday the 6th of January, to take him home. Today, Sunday the 5th, I got a call from a woman working at the shelter that someone has come forward to claim the dog. She said that since the dog is not currently in my home and is still at the shelter (mind you he is only at the shelter because he needs to be neutered, which is part of the adoption fee and agreement), that for that reason she decieded to cancel the adoption and is going to release him to the other party instead (this decision is being made over 24 hours after I signed the adoption contract, mind you). The parties only proof of ownership was a "lost dog" flyer from a year ago and some photographs. I feel like it was wrong for the woman working there to cancel my adoption. She made a decision in favor of the other party who, as far as I understand, lost their legal ownership of the dog. All of the other staff I talked to agreed that legally the dog is mine and that she cannot cancel an adoption like that. (sidenote, the other party claimed that they lost the dog over a year ago. I also found out that the area where the person lives is also the same area that the dog was picked up as a stray... Did they not try to look for him during that year???) I just drove down to the shelter to speak with the woman in person. It was very frustrating as she tried to make it seem like it was somehow my idea to turn the dog over to the other party, when in reality she just called me on the phone to tell me the decision was made and that was that. Ultimately she said she is not sure what to do since this situation hasn't happened before. It needs to be addressed by the shelter director and the legal team but they won't be in the office until tomorrow. My worry is that the dog might be neutered and released tomorrow before this issue gets addressed. If anyone is familiar with pet ownership/adoption rights or anything that could help I would really appreciate it ... I'm an emotional wreck right now and could really use some advice :(
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fdcliqn
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How long was the dog in the shelter? Assuming not over a year, they may have checked with the shelter when it was lost and it wasn't there and somehow found out where it was recently. Doesn't mean they dont care or want the dog.
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They are not required to give you the dog. They do have to make you whole, and would either need to provide you with another dog from the shelter, or a full refund of your fees. I’m sure you are attached to this dog, but put yourself in the family’s place. Maybe they lost him because a friend was taking care of him, or he broke out of a fence. If your pet, would you care that you were one day late in finding him? There will be other dogs for you.
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ekmewi
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legaladvice_train
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Adopted a dog from the humane society, now a person claiming to be a past owner wants him so they are canceling my adoption. Who is in the right? Hi r/legaladvise I could really use your help. Yesterday, Saturday January 4th, I went to the humane society (Kitsap County, Washington State) and adopted a 4 year old Rottweiler male. He was a stray that had no name tag, no microchip, and had no prior registration with the city or county. He was placed in stray hold but nobody came for him. The day he became available for adoption was also the day I adopted him. I payed his adoption fee, signed the adoption contract (I can post a pic if it helps), payed to have him registered in my name with the city that I live in, and was given a care packet and some probiotics for him to take home with me. Since he came in to the shelter un-neutered, I would have to wait until his surgery day, Monday the 6th of January, to take him home. Today, Sunday the 5th, I got a call from a woman working at the shelter that someone has come forward to claim the dog. She said that since the dog is not currently in my home and is still at the shelter (mind you he is only at the shelter because he needs to be neutered, which is part of the adoption fee and agreement), that for that reason she decieded to cancel the adoption and is going to release him to the other party instead (this decision is being made over 24 hours after I signed the adoption contract, mind you). The parties only proof of ownership was a "lost dog" flyer from a year ago and some photographs. I feel like it was wrong for the woman working there to cancel my adoption. She made a decision in favor of the other party who, as far as I understand, lost their legal ownership of the dog. All of the other staff I talked to agreed that legally the dog is mine and that she cannot cancel an adoption like that. (sidenote, the other party claimed that they lost the dog over a year ago. I also found out that the area where the person lives is also the same area that the dog was picked up as a stray... Did they not try to look for him during that year???) I just drove down to the shelter to speak with the woman in person. It was very frustrating as she tried to make it seem like it was somehow my idea to turn the dog over to the other party, when in reality she just called me on the phone to tell me the decision was made and that was that. Ultimately she said she is not sure what to do since this situation hasn't happened before. It needs to be addressed by the shelter director and the legal team but they won't be in the office until tomorrow. My worry is that the dog might be neutered and released tomorrow before this issue gets addressed. If anyone is familiar with pet ownership/adoption rights or anything that could help I would really appreciate it ... I'm an emotional wreck right now and could really use some advice :(
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fdco60g
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fdczwsa
| 1,578,279,791 | 1,578,289,407 | 40 | 50 |
I would try to find out more information about the owner. If it's a good home, you should be really happy they found their dog and happily hand him over. If not, try to fight to keep him.
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How long was the dog in the shelter? Assuming not over a year, they may have checked with the shelter when it was lost and it wasn't there and somehow found out where it was recently. Doesn't mean they dont care or want the dog.
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ekmewi
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Adopted a dog from the humane society, now a person claiming to be a past owner wants him so they are canceling my adoption. Who is in the right? Hi r/legaladvise I could really use your help. Yesterday, Saturday January 4th, I went to the humane society (Kitsap County, Washington State) and adopted a 4 year old Rottweiler male. He was a stray that had no name tag, no microchip, and had no prior registration with the city or county. He was placed in stray hold but nobody came for him. The day he became available for adoption was also the day I adopted him. I payed his adoption fee, signed the adoption contract (I can post a pic if it helps), payed to have him registered in my name with the city that I live in, and was given a care packet and some probiotics for him to take home with me. Since he came in to the shelter un-neutered, I would have to wait until his surgery day, Monday the 6th of January, to take him home. Today, Sunday the 5th, I got a call from a woman working at the shelter that someone has come forward to claim the dog. She said that since the dog is not currently in my home and is still at the shelter (mind you he is only at the shelter because he needs to be neutered, which is part of the adoption fee and agreement), that for that reason she decieded to cancel the adoption and is going to release him to the other party instead (this decision is being made over 24 hours after I signed the adoption contract, mind you). The parties only proof of ownership was a "lost dog" flyer from a year ago and some photographs. I feel like it was wrong for the woman working there to cancel my adoption. She made a decision in favor of the other party who, as far as I understand, lost their legal ownership of the dog. All of the other staff I talked to agreed that legally the dog is mine and that she cannot cancel an adoption like that. (sidenote, the other party claimed that they lost the dog over a year ago. I also found out that the area where the person lives is also the same area that the dog was picked up as a stray... Did they not try to look for him during that year???) I just drove down to the shelter to speak with the woman in person. It was very frustrating as she tried to make it seem like it was somehow my idea to turn the dog over to the other party, when in reality she just called me on the phone to tell me the decision was made and that was that. Ultimately she said she is not sure what to do since this situation hasn't happened before. It needs to be addressed by the shelter director and the legal team but they won't be in the office until tomorrow. My worry is that the dog might be neutered and released tomorrow before this issue gets addressed. If anyone is familiar with pet ownership/adoption rights or anything that could help I would really appreciate it ... I'm an emotional wreck right now and could really use some advice :(
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fdcliqn
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fdco60g
| 1,578,277,886 | 1,578,279,791 | 37 | 40 |
They are not required to give you the dog. They do have to make you whole, and would either need to provide you with another dog from the shelter, or a full refund of your fees. I’m sure you are attached to this dog, but put yourself in the family’s place. Maybe they lost him because a friend was taking care of him, or he broke out of a fence. If your pet, would you care that you were one day late in finding him? There will be other dogs for you.
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I would try to find out more information about the owner. If it's a good home, you should be really happy they found their dog and happily hand him over. If not, try to fight to keep him.
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I’m watching someone’s dog who lives in a different state, they have no plans of returning but will not let us adopt the dog. I now have vet bills for said dog which she cannot afford. Weird situation here, we have been watching a dog whose owner moved out of state in January. Originally our friend was watching the dog but he cannot any longer due to his living arrangement, so we took in the dog for him. To my knowledge the owner is not returning to Alaska, has no plans of getting the dog, and cannot afford to fly her dog down. I contacted the owner to see if we can just adopt the dog( I’ve never met her and have no verbal or written agreement to watch her dog), seeing as we are paying for her food and have been treating her as our own dog. The owner said she needed to think about it and has not responded since. The dog has since been in a dog fight and we’ve incurred vet bills at an emergency hospital. After being gone for 7 months is this considered abandonment? What do I need to do to gain ownership? Am I responsible for the vet bills?
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Tell the owner you can no longer take care of the dog and will be taking it to an animal shelter. Then take the dog to an animal shelter. Tell the shelter the owner abandoned the dog and that you want to adopt it. The shelter will hold the dog and may even contact the owner. If they don't claim the dog than the dog can be adopted. You then adopt the dog and it is now legally yours.
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As odd as it sounds, a dog is considered property. Treat it as such. He left you some property to take care of and is not planning on/willing to get it back. You can sue in small claims court for the cost of the vet bills/food.
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oijs70
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I’m watching someone’s dog who lives in a different state, they have no plans of returning but will not let us adopt the dog. I now have vet bills for said dog which she cannot afford. Weird situation here, we have been watching a dog whose owner moved out of state in January. Originally our friend was watching the dog but he cannot any longer due to his living arrangement, so we took in the dog for him. To my knowledge the owner is not returning to Alaska, has no plans of getting the dog, and cannot afford to fly her dog down. I contacted the owner to see if we can just adopt the dog( I’ve never met her and have no verbal or written agreement to watch her dog), seeing as we are paying for her food and have been treating her as our own dog. The owner said she needed to think about it and has not responded since. The dog has since been in a dog fight and we’ve incurred vet bills at an emergency hospital. After being gone for 7 months is this considered abandonment? What do I need to do to gain ownership? Am I responsible for the vet bills?
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h4wj0fu
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h4w4d9v
| 1,626,082,813 | 1,626,069,349 | 4,512 | 47 |
Tell the owner you can no longer take care of the dog and will be taking it to an animal shelter. Then take the dog to an animal shelter. Tell the shelter the owner abandoned the dog and that you want to adopt it. The shelter will hold the dog and may even contact the owner. If they don't claim the dog than the dog can be adopted. You then adopt the dog and it is now legally yours.
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The people who are suggesting you do nothing and just consider the dog yours isn’t good advice. Dogs are considered property. This sounds like a complicated situation. You should get back in touch with the owner and ask them to sign over the dog to you or you will be forced to bring it to the shelter. Otherwise you risk owner claiming you stole their dog.
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oijs70
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I’m watching someone’s dog who lives in a different state, they have no plans of returning but will not let us adopt the dog. I now have vet bills for said dog which she cannot afford. Weird situation here, we have been watching a dog whose owner moved out of state in January. Originally our friend was watching the dog but he cannot any longer due to his living arrangement, so we took in the dog for him. To my knowledge the owner is not returning to Alaska, has no plans of getting the dog, and cannot afford to fly her dog down. I contacted the owner to see if we can just adopt the dog( I’ve never met her and have no verbal or written agreement to watch her dog), seeing as we are paying for her food and have been treating her as our own dog. The owner said she needed to think about it and has not responded since. The dog has since been in a dog fight and we’ve incurred vet bills at an emergency hospital. After being gone for 7 months is this considered abandonment? What do I need to do to gain ownership? Am I responsible for the vet bills?
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h4wo9gk
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As odd as it sounds, a dog is considered property. Treat it as such. He left you some property to take care of and is not planning on/willing to get it back. You can sue in small claims court for the cost of the vet bills/food.
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I am not a lawyer, but work in veterinary medicine. Contact the shelter. If you hand the dog in and put your name as an interested party, the owner has so many days to claim the pet before it is put up for adoption and then you legally adopt it. Call your local shelter and see if this is the case.
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oijs70
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legaladvice_train
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I’m watching someone’s dog who lives in a different state, they have no plans of returning but will not let us adopt the dog. I now have vet bills for said dog which she cannot afford. Weird situation here, we have been watching a dog whose owner moved out of state in January. Originally our friend was watching the dog but he cannot any longer due to his living arrangement, so we took in the dog for him. To my knowledge the owner is not returning to Alaska, has no plans of getting the dog, and cannot afford to fly her dog down. I contacted the owner to see if we can just adopt the dog( I’ve never met her and have no verbal or written agreement to watch her dog), seeing as we are paying for her food and have been treating her as our own dog. The owner said she needed to think about it and has not responded since. The dog has since been in a dog fight and we’ve incurred vet bills at an emergency hospital. After being gone for 7 months is this considered abandonment? What do I need to do to gain ownership? Am I responsible for the vet bills?
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h4wo9gk
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h4wkd3j
| 1,626,087,465 | 1,626,084,066 | 986 | 113 |
I am not a lawyer, but work in veterinary medicine. Contact the shelter. If you hand the dog in and put your name as an interested party, the owner has so many days to claim the pet before it is put up for adoption and then you legally adopt it. Call your local shelter and see if this is the case.
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One (completely untested) idea: start talking to an animal shelter or rescue rep about their hold/process. See what would happen if you turned the dog over to the shelter, would the owners give up rights to the shelter when contacted (or if they ignore it, let the hold time lapse). Could you then legally adopt?
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oijs70
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I’m watching someone’s dog who lives in a different state, they have no plans of returning but will not let us adopt the dog. I now have vet bills for said dog which she cannot afford. Weird situation here, we have been watching a dog whose owner moved out of state in January. Originally our friend was watching the dog but he cannot any longer due to his living arrangement, so we took in the dog for him. To my knowledge the owner is not returning to Alaska, has no plans of getting the dog, and cannot afford to fly her dog down. I contacted the owner to see if we can just adopt the dog( I’ve never met her and have no verbal or written agreement to watch her dog), seeing as we are paying for her food and have been treating her as our own dog. The owner said she needed to think about it and has not responded since. The dog has since been in a dog fight and we’ve incurred vet bills at an emergency hospital. After being gone for 7 months is this considered abandonment? What do I need to do to gain ownership? Am I responsible for the vet bills?
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h4wo9gk
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h4w4d9v
| 1,626,087,465 | 1,626,069,349 | 986 | 47 |
I am not a lawyer, but work in veterinary medicine. Contact the shelter. If you hand the dog in and put your name as an interested party, the owner has so many days to claim the pet before it is put up for adoption and then you legally adopt it. Call your local shelter and see if this is the case.
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The people who are suggesting you do nothing and just consider the dog yours isn’t good advice. Dogs are considered property. This sounds like a complicated situation. You should get back in touch with the owner and ask them to sign over the dog to you or you will be forced to bring it to the shelter. Otherwise you risk owner claiming you stole their dog.
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oijs70
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I’m watching someone’s dog who lives in a different state, they have no plans of returning but will not let us adopt the dog. I now have vet bills for said dog which she cannot afford. Weird situation here, we have been watching a dog whose owner moved out of state in January. Originally our friend was watching the dog but he cannot any longer due to his living arrangement, so we took in the dog for him. To my knowledge the owner is not returning to Alaska, has no plans of getting the dog, and cannot afford to fly her dog down. I contacted the owner to see if we can just adopt the dog( I’ve never met her and have no verbal or written agreement to watch her dog), seeing as we are paying for her food and have been treating her as our own dog. The owner said she needed to think about it and has not responded since. The dog has since been in a dog fight and we’ve incurred vet bills at an emergency hospital. After being gone for 7 months is this considered abandonment? What do I need to do to gain ownership? Am I responsible for the vet bills?
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h4w0gqd
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It looks like you can report the dog as abandoned through the Alaska SPCA website, which will start the clock ticking for Animal Control statutes for prosecuting animal abandonment. When you make the report, the proper agency will contact you for further information, and at that time, you can give them the details on your "good faith" attempts to reunite the owner with their property. You can also let them know about your intentions to adopt the dog permanently, so that for the duration of the investigation, the dog can just stay in your care. As for the vet bills, it's unlikely you'll be able to successfully serve and subpoena the defendant in civil court to recoup your loss, since they're out of state. A local judge won't sign off on an extradition request for such a small amount, and I've never seen one for a civil case.
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As odd as it sounds, a dog is considered property. Treat it as such. He left you some property to take care of and is not planning on/willing to get it back. You can sue in small claims court for the cost of the vet bills/food.
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oijs70
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I’m watching someone’s dog who lives in a different state, they have no plans of returning but will not let us adopt the dog. I now have vet bills for said dog which she cannot afford. Weird situation here, we have been watching a dog whose owner moved out of state in January. Originally our friend was watching the dog but he cannot any longer due to his living arrangement, so we took in the dog for him. To my knowledge the owner is not returning to Alaska, has no plans of getting the dog, and cannot afford to fly her dog down. I contacted the owner to see if we can just adopt the dog( I’ve never met her and have no verbal or written agreement to watch her dog), seeing as we are paying for her food and have been treating her as our own dog. The owner said she needed to think about it and has not responded since. The dog has since been in a dog fight and we’ve incurred vet bills at an emergency hospital. After being gone for 7 months is this considered abandonment? What do I need to do to gain ownership? Am I responsible for the vet bills?
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h4woifw
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h4wkd3j
| 1,626,087,667 | 1,626,084,066 | 354 | 113 |
It looks like you can report the dog as abandoned through the Alaska SPCA website, which will start the clock ticking for Animal Control statutes for prosecuting animal abandonment. When you make the report, the proper agency will contact you for further information, and at that time, you can give them the details on your "good faith" attempts to reunite the owner with their property. You can also let them know about your intentions to adopt the dog permanently, so that for the duration of the investigation, the dog can just stay in your care. As for the vet bills, it's unlikely you'll be able to successfully serve and subpoena the defendant in civil court to recoup your loss, since they're out of state. A local judge won't sign off on an extradition request for such a small amount, and I've never seen one for a civil case.
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One (completely untested) idea: start talking to an animal shelter or rescue rep about their hold/process. See what would happen if you turned the dog over to the shelter, would the owners give up rights to the shelter when contacted (or if they ignore it, let the hold time lapse). Could you then legally adopt?
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oijs70
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I’m watching someone’s dog who lives in a different state, they have no plans of returning but will not let us adopt the dog. I now have vet bills for said dog which she cannot afford. Weird situation here, we have been watching a dog whose owner moved out of state in January. Originally our friend was watching the dog but he cannot any longer due to his living arrangement, so we took in the dog for him. To my knowledge the owner is not returning to Alaska, has no plans of getting the dog, and cannot afford to fly her dog down. I contacted the owner to see if we can just adopt the dog( I’ve never met her and have no verbal or written agreement to watch her dog), seeing as we are paying for her food and have been treating her as our own dog. The owner said she needed to think about it and has not responded since. The dog has since been in a dog fight and we’ve incurred vet bills at an emergency hospital. After being gone for 7 months is this considered abandonment? What do I need to do to gain ownership? Am I responsible for the vet bills?
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h4woifw
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h4w4d9v
| 1,626,087,667 | 1,626,069,349 | 354 | 47 |
It looks like you can report the dog as abandoned through the Alaska SPCA website, which will start the clock ticking for Animal Control statutes for prosecuting animal abandonment. When you make the report, the proper agency will contact you for further information, and at that time, you can give them the details on your "good faith" attempts to reunite the owner with their property. You can also let them know about your intentions to adopt the dog permanently, so that for the duration of the investigation, the dog can just stay in your care. As for the vet bills, it's unlikely you'll be able to successfully serve and subpoena the defendant in civil court to recoup your loss, since they're out of state. A local judge won't sign off on an extradition request for such a small amount, and I've never seen one for a civil case.
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The people who are suggesting you do nothing and just consider the dog yours isn’t good advice. Dogs are considered property. This sounds like a complicated situation. You should get back in touch with the owner and ask them to sign over the dog to you or you will be forced to bring it to the shelter. Otherwise you risk owner claiming you stole their dog.
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oijs70
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I’m watching someone’s dog who lives in a different state, they have no plans of returning but will not let us adopt the dog. I now have vet bills for said dog which she cannot afford. Weird situation here, we have been watching a dog whose owner moved out of state in January. Originally our friend was watching the dog but he cannot any longer due to his living arrangement, so we took in the dog for him. To my knowledge the owner is not returning to Alaska, has no plans of getting the dog, and cannot afford to fly her dog down. I contacted the owner to see if we can just adopt the dog( I’ve never met her and have no verbal or written agreement to watch her dog), seeing as we are paying for her food and have been treating her as our own dog. The owner said she needed to think about it and has not responded since. The dog has since been in a dog fight and we’ve incurred vet bills at an emergency hospital. After being gone for 7 months is this considered abandonment? What do I need to do to gain ownership? Am I responsible for the vet bills?
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The people who are suggesting you do nothing and just consider the dog yours isn’t good advice. Dogs are considered property. This sounds like a complicated situation. You should get back in touch with the owner and ask them to sign over the dog to you or you will be forced to bring it to the shelter. Otherwise you risk owner claiming you stole their dog.
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One (completely untested) idea: start talking to an animal shelter or rescue rep about their hold/process. See what would happen if you turned the dog over to the shelter, would the owners give up rights to the shelter when contacted (or if they ignore it, let the hold time lapse). Could you then legally adopt?
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Non-profit company denied letting me apply to rescue a dog because they assumed I was disabled. I am not. They then repeatedly insulted the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities, and then changed their policy and pet adoption requirements to specifically exclude the disabled. I live in Virginia, and on May 5th I messaged a non-profit herding dog rescue in my area showing interest in a particular dog. The rescue asked that people message them first before submitting an application. I did just that. They posted a list of requirements for the dog. Myself and my husband met every single requirement, and then some. We have two healthy and happy herding dogs already, and are very familiar with the needs of the breed. While waiting for a reply from the rescue, I commented on the rescues facebook post and spoke briefly to the foster mother of the dog. In my comment I mentioned that I have "health issues", which is part of the reason why I am home 24/7. Someone being home with the dog 24/7 was one of the requirements listed. My health issues in no way impede my ability to care for a dog and I had stated as such. Because of this one comment with the phrase "health issues", the rescue assumed that I was disabled and refused to allow me to even fill out an application specifically because of my assumed disability. They knew, and know, absolutely nothing about my health. They never even bothered to ask any questions about my health or situation before denying me the application. I never stated that I was disabled. Not once, not ever. Again, I am not disabled. They assumed that. I then posted a review of my experience on their facebook page. Stating facts only, and posting the screenshot of our one conversation, and the comment to the foster mother as proof. After their denial of allowing me to put in an application, they changed their requirements on the post of the dog specifically to exclude disabled people. I still met every single requirement, and was still not allowed to even fill out an application because of their incorrect assumption that I have a disability. I have denied having a disability at every turn. After the rescue changed the post to exclude the disabled, people started posting screenshots of the rescues policy that originally stated "As a matter of policy, (rescue) does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, gender, sexual orientation, age, religion, national or ethnic origin, or physical disability." They then went on to change their website policy specifically to exclude disabled people. Once the review I posted gained some views, people started calling them out for being discriminatory. The rescue then claimed that I, myself, was "bullying" them to try to get the dog and tried to discredit me and my review. One of their exact quotes was "this review is just a clear attempt to bully us into giving a dog to a family who does not meet the minimum requirements." Again, I met all listed requirements, they know absolutely nothing about me, my household, or my health, and I was refused even being allowed to apply. The owner of the rescue, as well as few of their current/former volunteer/employees resorted to personal attacks, calling me a liar, calling me names, and even going so far to insult me and say they denied me because of how I look. (My profile picture has a snapchat filter with black lipstick on it.) One person who at one point adopted from them, said they had "been on the admin side of the facebook page and saw the original transcript" and said that I was lying to try to get a rise out of people. They made claims "the real reason" I was denied is that "the dog was too high strung" for me, even though they know nothing about me or my health issues, and I was never even allowed to submit an application. She claimed to have screenshots that prove that I lied, but refused to post her supposed 'proof'. It still has not surfaced. It does not exist. They are still trying to discredit my review. The rescue then went on to start insulting commenters. One said, and I quote, "Disabilities are not always physical many of these people seem to have mental disabilities and we should pray for them not try and reason with them." Hundreds of people have commented and the rescue has been deleting every comment that criticizes their behavior, blocking anyone who says anything about the situation, and deleting and turning off reviews. Luckily I have screenshots of every single thing they have done and said. Timestamped, dated, all of it. This is no longer about me trying to rescue a dog. I understand that I am never going to get this dog. That is not the point anymore. The actions of this rescue towards the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities are deplorable, and they have shown no remorse. They have made no attempt to apologize for their statements, nor their treatment of the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities. At every turn, they have doubled down and made even more discriminatory remarks, and repeatedly changed their policies specifically to exclude said groups. I have been advised to report them to the ADA. Can I report them for this discrimination against disabled people even though I, myself, am not disabled? What additional measures can I take to ensure that this never happens again? Are there other agencies or groups I can report them to? Is there anything I should know about reporting and dealing with a non-profit compared to a regular company? I am willing to provide the screenshots if anyone needs more clarification or proof. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all.
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fq9iwlo
| 1,589,208,501 | 1,589,199,583 | 590 | 352 |
Not a lawyer. I would also look into whether they have received any grants or government money that requires non-discrimination. If they are a truly a non-profit, they should have filed a tax form, which should give you an idea of where their money is coming from. If they rely on grants, their discriminatory practices and statements will have consequences.
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The ADA is a law, not an agency. That said, ADA.gov, does contain a complaint form that will go to the appropriate DOJ division. In addition, your state should have a disability office, and there are lawyers that specialize in ADA claims (your state Bar association can probably help you find one.)
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ghm5xo
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Non-profit company denied letting me apply to rescue a dog because they assumed I was disabled. I am not. They then repeatedly insulted the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities, and then changed their policy and pet adoption requirements to specifically exclude the disabled. I live in Virginia, and on May 5th I messaged a non-profit herding dog rescue in my area showing interest in a particular dog. The rescue asked that people message them first before submitting an application. I did just that. They posted a list of requirements for the dog. Myself and my husband met every single requirement, and then some. We have two healthy and happy herding dogs already, and are very familiar with the needs of the breed. While waiting for a reply from the rescue, I commented on the rescues facebook post and spoke briefly to the foster mother of the dog. In my comment I mentioned that I have "health issues", which is part of the reason why I am home 24/7. Someone being home with the dog 24/7 was one of the requirements listed. My health issues in no way impede my ability to care for a dog and I had stated as such. Because of this one comment with the phrase "health issues", the rescue assumed that I was disabled and refused to allow me to even fill out an application specifically because of my assumed disability. They knew, and know, absolutely nothing about my health. They never even bothered to ask any questions about my health or situation before denying me the application. I never stated that I was disabled. Not once, not ever. Again, I am not disabled. They assumed that. I then posted a review of my experience on their facebook page. Stating facts only, and posting the screenshot of our one conversation, and the comment to the foster mother as proof. After their denial of allowing me to put in an application, they changed their requirements on the post of the dog specifically to exclude disabled people. I still met every single requirement, and was still not allowed to even fill out an application because of their incorrect assumption that I have a disability. I have denied having a disability at every turn. After the rescue changed the post to exclude the disabled, people started posting screenshots of the rescues policy that originally stated "As a matter of policy, (rescue) does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, gender, sexual orientation, age, religion, national or ethnic origin, or physical disability." They then went on to change their website policy specifically to exclude disabled people. Once the review I posted gained some views, people started calling them out for being discriminatory. The rescue then claimed that I, myself, was "bullying" them to try to get the dog and tried to discredit me and my review. One of their exact quotes was "this review is just a clear attempt to bully us into giving a dog to a family who does not meet the minimum requirements." Again, I met all listed requirements, they know absolutely nothing about me, my household, or my health, and I was refused even being allowed to apply. The owner of the rescue, as well as few of their current/former volunteer/employees resorted to personal attacks, calling me a liar, calling me names, and even going so far to insult me and say they denied me because of how I look. (My profile picture has a snapchat filter with black lipstick on it.) One person who at one point adopted from them, said they had "been on the admin side of the facebook page and saw the original transcript" and said that I was lying to try to get a rise out of people. They made claims "the real reason" I was denied is that "the dog was too high strung" for me, even though they know nothing about me or my health issues, and I was never even allowed to submit an application. She claimed to have screenshots that prove that I lied, but refused to post her supposed 'proof'. It still has not surfaced. It does not exist. They are still trying to discredit my review. The rescue then went on to start insulting commenters. One said, and I quote, "Disabilities are not always physical many of these people seem to have mental disabilities and we should pray for them not try and reason with them." Hundreds of people have commented and the rescue has been deleting every comment that criticizes their behavior, blocking anyone who says anything about the situation, and deleting and turning off reviews. Luckily I have screenshots of every single thing they have done and said. Timestamped, dated, all of it. This is no longer about me trying to rescue a dog. I understand that I am never going to get this dog. That is not the point anymore. The actions of this rescue towards the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities are deplorable, and they have shown no remorse. They have made no attempt to apologize for their statements, nor their treatment of the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities. At every turn, they have doubled down and made even more discriminatory remarks, and repeatedly changed their policies specifically to exclude said groups. I have been advised to report them to the ADA. Can I report them for this discrimination against disabled people even though I, myself, am not disabled? What additional measures can I take to ensure that this never happens again? Are there other agencies or groups I can report them to? Is there anything I should know about reporting and dealing with a non-profit compared to a regular company? I am willing to provide the screenshots if anyone needs more clarification or proof. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all.
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Not a lawyer. I would also look into whether they have received any grants or government money that requires non-discrimination. If they are a truly a non-profit, they should have filed a tax form, which should give you an idea of where their money is coming from. If they rely on grants, their discriminatory practices and statements will have consequences.
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Not a lawyer, but I found this site that might help. There is an ADA info phone number at the bottom too. https://www.ada.gov/fact_on_complaint.htm I don't think your disability status matters, I believe all that matters is their reason for discriminating against you.
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Non-profit company denied letting me apply to rescue a dog because they assumed I was disabled. I am not. They then repeatedly insulted the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities, and then changed their policy and pet adoption requirements to specifically exclude the disabled. I live in Virginia, and on May 5th I messaged a non-profit herding dog rescue in my area showing interest in a particular dog. The rescue asked that people message them first before submitting an application. I did just that. They posted a list of requirements for the dog. Myself and my husband met every single requirement, and then some. We have two healthy and happy herding dogs already, and are very familiar with the needs of the breed. While waiting for a reply from the rescue, I commented on the rescues facebook post and spoke briefly to the foster mother of the dog. In my comment I mentioned that I have "health issues", which is part of the reason why I am home 24/7. Someone being home with the dog 24/7 was one of the requirements listed. My health issues in no way impede my ability to care for a dog and I had stated as such. Because of this one comment with the phrase "health issues", the rescue assumed that I was disabled and refused to allow me to even fill out an application specifically because of my assumed disability. They knew, and know, absolutely nothing about my health. They never even bothered to ask any questions about my health or situation before denying me the application. I never stated that I was disabled. Not once, not ever. Again, I am not disabled. They assumed that. I then posted a review of my experience on their facebook page. Stating facts only, and posting the screenshot of our one conversation, and the comment to the foster mother as proof. After their denial of allowing me to put in an application, they changed their requirements on the post of the dog specifically to exclude disabled people. I still met every single requirement, and was still not allowed to even fill out an application because of their incorrect assumption that I have a disability. I have denied having a disability at every turn. After the rescue changed the post to exclude the disabled, people started posting screenshots of the rescues policy that originally stated "As a matter of policy, (rescue) does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, gender, sexual orientation, age, religion, national or ethnic origin, or physical disability." They then went on to change their website policy specifically to exclude disabled people. Once the review I posted gained some views, people started calling them out for being discriminatory. The rescue then claimed that I, myself, was "bullying" them to try to get the dog and tried to discredit me and my review. One of their exact quotes was "this review is just a clear attempt to bully us into giving a dog to a family who does not meet the minimum requirements." Again, I met all listed requirements, they know absolutely nothing about me, my household, or my health, and I was refused even being allowed to apply. The owner of the rescue, as well as few of their current/former volunteer/employees resorted to personal attacks, calling me a liar, calling me names, and even going so far to insult me and say they denied me because of how I look. (My profile picture has a snapchat filter with black lipstick on it.) One person who at one point adopted from them, said they had "been on the admin side of the facebook page and saw the original transcript" and said that I was lying to try to get a rise out of people. They made claims "the real reason" I was denied is that "the dog was too high strung" for me, even though they know nothing about me or my health issues, and I was never even allowed to submit an application. She claimed to have screenshots that prove that I lied, but refused to post her supposed 'proof'. It still has not surfaced. It does not exist. They are still trying to discredit my review. The rescue then went on to start insulting commenters. One said, and I quote, "Disabilities are not always physical many of these people seem to have mental disabilities and we should pray for them not try and reason with them." Hundreds of people have commented and the rescue has been deleting every comment that criticizes their behavior, blocking anyone who says anything about the situation, and deleting and turning off reviews. Luckily I have screenshots of every single thing they have done and said. Timestamped, dated, all of it. This is no longer about me trying to rescue a dog. I understand that I am never going to get this dog. That is not the point anymore. The actions of this rescue towards the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities are deplorable, and they have shown no remorse. They have made no attempt to apologize for their statements, nor their treatment of the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities. At every turn, they have doubled down and made even more discriminatory remarks, and repeatedly changed their policies specifically to exclude said groups. I have been advised to report them to the ADA. Can I report them for this discrimination against disabled people even though I, myself, am not disabled? What additional measures can I take to ensure that this never happens again? Are there other agencies or groups I can report them to? Is there anything I should know about reporting and dealing with a non-profit compared to a regular company? I am willing to provide the screenshots if anyone needs more clarification or proof. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all.
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fq9lnpv
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Not a lawyer. I would also look into whether they have received any grants or government money that requires non-discrimination. If they are a truly a non-profit, they should have filed a tax form, which should give you an idea of where their money is coming from. If they rely on grants, their discriminatory practices and statements will have consequences.
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What do they think service dogs are? I am not a lawyer, but you should fill out the form on the ada website. Also, I would write a letter and to the town/county/state that you live in because they may be regulators of the rescue in some ways, especially if they have a kennel. If they are a non profit and they are being discriminatory there could be potential issues there too. I'm sure that other rescue/animal rights groups would love to know about this rescues behavior. I used to work as a groomer and I've had plenty of encounters with unethical rescue groups. It's prevasive in the industry. I would say that they could deny you because they believe the dog is too high strung for your household (even if they didn't dig too far), but I don't believe they can just make discriminatory actions against a protected group (protected by ada). They also can't make defamatory statements against you so that may be something to pursue as well.
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ghm5xo
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Non-profit company denied letting me apply to rescue a dog because they assumed I was disabled. I am not. They then repeatedly insulted the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities, and then changed their policy and pet adoption requirements to specifically exclude the disabled. I live in Virginia, and on May 5th I messaged a non-profit herding dog rescue in my area showing interest in a particular dog. The rescue asked that people message them first before submitting an application. I did just that. They posted a list of requirements for the dog. Myself and my husband met every single requirement, and then some. We have two healthy and happy herding dogs already, and are very familiar with the needs of the breed. While waiting for a reply from the rescue, I commented on the rescues facebook post and spoke briefly to the foster mother of the dog. In my comment I mentioned that I have "health issues", which is part of the reason why I am home 24/7. Someone being home with the dog 24/7 was one of the requirements listed. My health issues in no way impede my ability to care for a dog and I had stated as such. Because of this one comment with the phrase "health issues", the rescue assumed that I was disabled and refused to allow me to even fill out an application specifically because of my assumed disability. They knew, and know, absolutely nothing about my health. They never even bothered to ask any questions about my health or situation before denying me the application. I never stated that I was disabled. Not once, not ever. Again, I am not disabled. They assumed that. I then posted a review of my experience on their facebook page. Stating facts only, and posting the screenshot of our one conversation, and the comment to the foster mother as proof. After their denial of allowing me to put in an application, they changed their requirements on the post of the dog specifically to exclude disabled people. I still met every single requirement, and was still not allowed to even fill out an application because of their incorrect assumption that I have a disability. I have denied having a disability at every turn. After the rescue changed the post to exclude the disabled, people started posting screenshots of the rescues policy that originally stated "As a matter of policy, (rescue) does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, gender, sexual orientation, age, religion, national or ethnic origin, or physical disability." They then went on to change their website policy specifically to exclude disabled people. Once the review I posted gained some views, people started calling them out for being discriminatory. The rescue then claimed that I, myself, was "bullying" them to try to get the dog and tried to discredit me and my review. One of their exact quotes was "this review is just a clear attempt to bully us into giving a dog to a family who does not meet the minimum requirements." Again, I met all listed requirements, they know absolutely nothing about me, my household, or my health, and I was refused even being allowed to apply. The owner of the rescue, as well as few of their current/former volunteer/employees resorted to personal attacks, calling me a liar, calling me names, and even going so far to insult me and say they denied me because of how I look. (My profile picture has a snapchat filter with black lipstick on it.) One person who at one point adopted from them, said they had "been on the admin side of the facebook page and saw the original transcript" and said that I was lying to try to get a rise out of people. They made claims "the real reason" I was denied is that "the dog was too high strung" for me, even though they know nothing about me or my health issues, and I was never even allowed to submit an application. She claimed to have screenshots that prove that I lied, but refused to post her supposed 'proof'. It still has not surfaced. It does not exist. They are still trying to discredit my review. The rescue then went on to start insulting commenters. One said, and I quote, "Disabilities are not always physical many of these people seem to have mental disabilities and we should pray for them not try and reason with them." Hundreds of people have commented and the rescue has been deleting every comment that criticizes their behavior, blocking anyone who says anything about the situation, and deleting and turning off reviews. Luckily I have screenshots of every single thing they have done and said. Timestamped, dated, all of it. This is no longer about me trying to rescue a dog. I understand that I am never going to get this dog. That is not the point anymore. The actions of this rescue towards the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities are deplorable, and they have shown no remorse. They have made no attempt to apologize for their statements, nor their treatment of the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities. At every turn, they have doubled down and made even more discriminatory remarks, and repeatedly changed their policies specifically to exclude said groups. I have been advised to report them to the ADA. Can I report them for this discrimination against disabled people even though I, myself, am not disabled? What additional measures can I take to ensure that this never happens again? Are there other agencies or groups I can report them to? Is there anything I should know about reporting and dealing with a non-profit compared to a regular company? I am willing to provide the screenshots if anyone needs more clarification or proof. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all.
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fqaeo8w
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I practice discrimination law so I’m just going to play devils advocate here on one point on the chance that it results in litigation. Do you have any direct evidence that they initially ‘assumed’ you have a disability or is it more circumstantial?
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All tax returns for non-profit organizations are public information and should be available on guidestar.org. You can find out who their board of directors are and maybe contact them about your experience as well.
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ghm5xo
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legaladvice_train
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Non-profit company denied letting me apply to rescue a dog because they assumed I was disabled. I am not. They then repeatedly insulted the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities, and then changed their policy and pet adoption requirements to specifically exclude the disabled. I live in Virginia, and on May 5th I messaged a non-profit herding dog rescue in my area showing interest in a particular dog. The rescue asked that people message them first before submitting an application. I did just that. They posted a list of requirements for the dog. Myself and my husband met every single requirement, and then some. We have two healthy and happy herding dogs already, and are very familiar with the needs of the breed. While waiting for a reply from the rescue, I commented on the rescues facebook post and spoke briefly to the foster mother of the dog. In my comment I mentioned that I have "health issues", which is part of the reason why I am home 24/7. Someone being home with the dog 24/7 was one of the requirements listed. My health issues in no way impede my ability to care for a dog and I had stated as such. Because of this one comment with the phrase "health issues", the rescue assumed that I was disabled and refused to allow me to even fill out an application specifically because of my assumed disability. They knew, and know, absolutely nothing about my health. They never even bothered to ask any questions about my health or situation before denying me the application. I never stated that I was disabled. Not once, not ever. Again, I am not disabled. They assumed that. I then posted a review of my experience on their facebook page. Stating facts only, and posting the screenshot of our one conversation, and the comment to the foster mother as proof. After their denial of allowing me to put in an application, they changed their requirements on the post of the dog specifically to exclude disabled people. I still met every single requirement, and was still not allowed to even fill out an application because of their incorrect assumption that I have a disability. I have denied having a disability at every turn. After the rescue changed the post to exclude the disabled, people started posting screenshots of the rescues policy that originally stated "As a matter of policy, (rescue) does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, gender, sexual orientation, age, religion, national or ethnic origin, or physical disability." They then went on to change their website policy specifically to exclude disabled people. Once the review I posted gained some views, people started calling them out for being discriminatory. The rescue then claimed that I, myself, was "bullying" them to try to get the dog and tried to discredit me and my review. One of their exact quotes was "this review is just a clear attempt to bully us into giving a dog to a family who does not meet the minimum requirements." Again, I met all listed requirements, they know absolutely nothing about me, my household, or my health, and I was refused even being allowed to apply. The owner of the rescue, as well as few of their current/former volunteer/employees resorted to personal attacks, calling me a liar, calling me names, and even going so far to insult me and say they denied me because of how I look. (My profile picture has a snapchat filter with black lipstick on it.) One person who at one point adopted from them, said they had "been on the admin side of the facebook page and saw the original transcript" and said that I was lying to try to get a rise out of people. They made claims "the real reason" I was denied is that "the dog was too high strung" for me, even though they know nothing about me or my health issues, and I was never even allowed to submit an application. She claimed to have screenshots that prove that I lied, but refused to post her supposed 'proof'. It still has not surfaced. It does not exist. They are still trying to discredit my review. The rescue then went on to start insulting commenters. One said, and I quote, "Disabilities are not always physical many of these people seem to have mental disabilities and we should pray for them not try and reason with them." Hundreds of people have commented and the rescue has been deleting every comment that criticizes their behavior, blocking anyone who says anything about the situation, and deleting and turning off reviews. Luckily I have screenshots of every single thing they have done and said. Timestamped, dated, all of it. This is no longer about me trying to rescue a dog. I understand that I am never going to get this dog. That is not the point anymore. The actions of this rescue towards the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities are deplorable, and they have shown no remorse. They have made no attempt to apologize for their statements, nor their treatment of the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities. At every turn, they have doubled down and made even more discriminatory remarks, and repeatedly changed their policies specifically to exclude said groups. I have been advised to report them to the ADA. Can I report them for this discrimination against disabled people even though I, myself, am not disabled? What additional measures can I take to ensure that this never happens again? Are there other agencies or groups I can report them to? Is there anything I should know about reporting and dealing with a non-profit compared to a regular company? I am willing to provide the screenshots if anyone needs more clarification or proof. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all.
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fqaid3x
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I practice discrimination law so I’m just going to play devils advocate here on one point on the chance that it results in litigation. Do you have any direct evidence that they initially ‘assumed’ you have a disability or is it more circumstantial?
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Not a lawyer, but I have worked with disabled people in a professional capacity. They are breaking or bending a number of pieces of the ADA, and I can confirm that you absolutely have a right to a claim, regardless of not being disabled. Whether that claim is taken seriously/meets standards/gets investigated is up to the DOJ and a couple of state agencies though. Fill out the report form on the DOJ website, and I'd also spend some time on your state Gov website. They usually have agencies that handle disabilities and may be able to move faster on the claim/encourage federal level action for you.
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Non-profit company denied letting me apply to rescue a dog because they assumed I was disabled. I am not. They then repeatedly insulted the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities, and then changed their policy and pet adoption requirements to specifically exclude the disabled. I live in Virginia, and on May 5th I messaged a non-profit herding dog rescue in my area showing interest in a particular dog. The rescue asked that people message them first before submitting an application. I did just that. They posted a list of requirements for the dog. Myself and my husband met every single requirement, and then some. We have two healthy and happy herding dogs already, and are very familiar with the needs of the breed. While waiting for a reply from the rescue, I commented on the rescues facebook post and spoke briefly to the foster mother of the dog. In my comment I mentioned that I have "health issues", which is part of the reason why I am home 24/7. Someone being home with the dog 24/7 was one of the requirements listed. My health issues in no way impede my ability to care for a dog and I had stated as such. Because of this one comment with the phrase "health issues", the rescue assumed that I was disabled and refused to allow me to even fill out an application specifically because of my assumed disability. They knew, and know, absolutely nothing about my health. They never even bothered to ask any questions about my health or situation before denying me the application. I never stated that I was disabled. Not once, not ever. Again, I am not disabled. They assumed that. I then posted a review of my experience on their facebook page. Stating facts only, and posting the screenshot of our one conversation, and the comment to the foster mother as proof. After their denial of allowing me to put in an application, they changed their requirements on the post of the dog specifically to exclude disabled people. I still met every single requirement, and was still not allowed to even fill out an application because of their incorrect assumption that I have a disability. I have denied having a disability at every turn. After the rescue changed the post to exclude the disabled, people started posting screenshots of the rescues policy that originally stated "As a matter of policy, (rescue) does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, gender, sexual orientation, age, religion, national or ethnic origin, or physical disability." They then went on to change their website policy specifically to exclude disabled people. Once the review I posted gained some views, people started calling them out for being discriminatory. The rescue then claimed that I, myself, was "bullying" them to try to get the dog and tried to discredit me and my review. One of their exact quotes was "this review is just a clear attempt to bully us into giving a dog to a family who does not meet the minimum requirements." Again, I met all listed requirements, they know absolutely nothing about me, my household, or my health, and I was refused even being allowed to apply. The owner of the rescue, as well as few of their current/former volunteer/employees resorted to personal attacks, calling me a liar, calling me names, and even going so far to insult me and say they denied me because of how I look. (My profile picture has a snapchat filter with black lipstick on it.) One person who at one point adopted from them, said they had "been on the admin side of the facebook page and saw the original transcript" and said that I was lying to try to get a rise out of people. They made claims "the real reason" I was denied is that "the dog was too high strung" for me, even though they know nothing about me or my health issues, and I was never even allowed to submit an application. She claimed to have screenshots that prove that I lied, but refused to post her supposed 'proof'. It still has not surfaced. It does not exist. They are still trying to discredit my review. The rescue then went on to start insulting commenters. One said, and I quote, "Disabilities are not always physical many of these people seem to have mental disabilities and we should pray for them not try and reason with them." Hundreds of people have commented and the rescue has been deleting every comment that criticizes their behavior, blocking anyone who says anything about the situation, and deleting and turning off reviews. Luckily I have screenshots of every single thing they have done and said. Timestamped, dated, all of it. This is no longer about me trying to rescue a dog. I understand that I am never going to get this dog. That is not the point anymore. The actions of this rescue towards the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities are deplorable, and they have shown no remorse. They have made no attempt to apologize for their statements, nor their treatment of the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities. At every turn, they have doubled down and made even more discriminatory remarks, and repeatedly changed their policies specifically to exclude said groups. I have been advised to report them to the ADA. Can I report them for this discrimination against disabled people even though I, myself, am not disabled? What additional measures can I take to ensure that this never happens again? Are there other agencies or groups I can report them to? Is there anything I should know about reporting and dealing with a non-profit compared to a regular company? I am willing to provide the screenshots if anyone needs more clarification or proof. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all.
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The name of the game when dealing with the ADA is "reasonableness". Herding dog breeds have needs beyond those of a normal (for lack of a better term) breed. You say you know this and I have no reason to doubt you. I expect the agency to have at least a similar level of knowledge. An owner of a herding dog who can't or won't give the necessary extra attention is not a good fit for the dog. It's immaterial if those deficiencies are due to a lack of knowledge, time, or ability. Presumably, this agency rescued this dog from a previous owner who grossly underestimated these factors. I suspect this makes the agency highly-focused on not putting the dog in a similar situation. It's worth noting that your own subjective belief on your own suitability has little bearing on this decision which rests solely with the rescue agency. In fact, absent the outcome of this particular exchange, I imagine that you would support the highly selective processes some animal rescue agencies use to find the best home possible for the animals they rescue. You told the agency, via a comment on the FB page, that you have some vague "health issues" which, apparently, are so severe that they are "part" of the reason you are home 24/7. There are lots of perfectly valid reasons to be home 24/7 besides having a physical or mental disability. Maybe you're retired, maybe you train herding dogs on your property, maybe you operate your business out of your home. Since didn't tell us if your health issues are the main part or if they are overshadowed by other more important parts, I can only assume that the other reasons for you being at home 24/7 are, at best, irrelevant, and, at worst, damaging to your position. Therefore, I don't believe it to be unreasonable to assume that your "health issues" are fairly substantial. It's not uncommon to see people with major health issues (eg missing or inadequate limbs or sensory organs) who have little issue leaving their home. I used to frequently see an attorney who was confined to a wheelchair and who seemed to have little trouble showing up to hearings. As severe as that attorney's health issues were, they were not so severe that he felt confined to his home. Please understand that I'm not trying to shame you or make any suggestions or assumptions about the severity of your health issues. The example I gave is highly specific to a very limited set of circumstances. My point above is merely to illustrate that it might be completely reasonable to assume that your "health issues" are severe. Further, considering how touchy of a subject it can be to navigate ADA claims, the agency might be wise to remain ignorant of the specifics of your health. You already own two herding dogs which, as we've already established, have particular needs. You say those dogs are happy and healthy and I have no reason to doubt you. Nevertheless, it might be reasonable to be concerned that someone with possibly severe health issues might be unable to devote her full and sufficient attention and effort to a third herding dog. Further, you seem to have little idea of this particular dog's temperament. You criticize the agency for not asking enough questions about you, but you've told us nothing about the dog other than that it's a herding breed and you were told it is "high strung". You either didn't ask any questions about the dog or you felt those details were irrelevant to this story. Either possibility is disconcerting. Maybe this dog truly is "high strung". Maybe it's better suited to a home without other dogs. The rescue agencies that I've looked at seem to make it a point to talk about each particular dog's needs and temperament - they're usually somewhat mature dogs so it can be difficult to break some learned poor behaviors. Your lack of details about why you think you would be a suitable home for this dog despite any "health issues" is hopefully an indicator that the agency website listed no biographical information about the dog. When we're talking about protected classes such as those protected by the ADA, we're focused on unreasonable discrimination. My broad point here is to suggest that the agency decision, while perhaps discriminatory, might also be reasonable. Had you asked me as soon as you got denied, I would have suggested that you ask the foster parent(s) to do a home visit or allow you to interact with the dog at a park so you could demonstrate that you would have no issue caring for the dog. Maybe that wouldn't have worked, but instead of exhausting your options to assuage their concerns, you went on the attack as if you are entitled to one of their dogs. Sounds like everyone acted poorly. Maybe you should make an appointment with an attorney. That's rarely a bad a idea. I think you would be wise to try and see things from a different perspective before you fall in love with the idea of making a claim under the ADA.
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I'd also contact the state representative for the area. Their constituent services would work on this--espexialy if they're getting state money
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Non-profit company denied letting me apply to rescue a dog because they assumed I was disabled. I am not. They then repeatedly insulted the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities, and then changed their policy and pet adoption requirements to specifically exclude the disabled. I live in Virginia, and on May 5th I messaged a non-profit herding dog rescue in my area showing interest in a particular dog. The rescue asked that people message them first before submitting an application. I did just that. They posted a list of requirements for the dog. Myself and my husband met every single requirement, and then some. We have two healthy and happy herding dogs already, and are very familiar with the needs of the breed. While waiting for a reply from the rescue, I commented on the rescues facebook post and spoke briefly to the foster mother of the dog. In my comment I mentioned that I have "health issues", which is part of the reason why I am home 24/7. Someone being home with the dog 24/7 was one of the requirements listed. My health issues in no way impede my ability to care for a dog and I had stated as such. Because of this one comment with the phrase "health issues", the rescue assumed that I was disabled and refused to allow me to even fill out an application specifically because of my assumed disability. They knew, and know, absolutely nothing about my health. They never even bothered to ask any questions about my health or situation before denying me the application. I never stated that I was disabled. Not once, not ever. Again, I am not disabled. They assumed that. I then posted a review of my experience on their facebook page. Stating facts only, and posting the screenshot of our one conversation, and the comment to the foster mother as proof. After their denial of allowing me to put in an application, they changed their requirements on the post of the dog specifically to exclude disabled people. I still met every single requirement, and was still not allowed to even fill out an application because of their incorrect assumption that I have a disability. I have denied having a disability at every turn. After the rescue changed the post to exclude the disabled, people started posting screenshots of the rescues policy that originally stated "As a matter of policy, (rescue) does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, gender, sexual orientation, age, religion, national or ethnic origin, or physical disability." They then went on to change their website policy specifically to exclude disabled people. Once the review I posted gained some views, people started calling them out for being discriminatory. The rescue then claimed that I, myself, was "bullying" them to try to get the dog and tried to discredit me and my review. One of their exact quotes was "this review is just a clear attempt to bully us into giving a dog to a family who does not meet the minimum requirements." Again, I met all listed requirements, they know absolutely nothing about me, my household, or my health, and I was refused even being allowed to apply. The owner of the rescue, as well as few of their current/former volunteer/employees resorted to personal attacks, calling me a liar, calling me names, and even going so far to insult me and say they denied me because of how I look. (My profile picture has a snapchat filter with black lipstick on it.) One person who at one point adopted from them, said they had "been on the admin side of the facebook page and saw the original transcript" and said that I was lying to try to get a rise out of people. They made claims "the real reason" I was denied is that "the dog was too high strung" for me, even though they know nothing about me or my health issues, and I was never even allowed to submit an application. She claimed to have screenshots that prove that I lied, but refused to post her supposed 'proof'. It still has not surfaced. It does not exist. They are still trying to discredit my review. The rescue then went on to start insulting commenters. One said, and I quote, "Disabilities are not always physical many of these people seem to have mental disabilities and we should pray for them not try and reason with them." Hundreds of people have commented and the rescue has been deleting every comment that criticizes their behavior, blocking anyone who says anything about the situation, and deleting and turning off reviews. Luckily I have screenshots of every single thing they have done and said. Timestamped, dated, all of it. This is no longer about me trying to rescue a dog. I understand that I am never going to get this dog. That is not the point anymore. The actions of this rescue towards the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities are deplorable, and they have shown no remorse. They have made no attempt to apologize for their statements, nor their treatment of the disabled, mentally ill, and chronically ill communities. At every turn, they have doubled down and made even more discriminatory remarks, and repeatedly changed their policies specifically to exclude said groups. I have been advised to report them to the ADA. Can I report them for this discrimination against disabled people even though I, myself, am not disabled? What additional measures can I take to ensure that this never happens again? Are there other agencies or groups I can report them to? Is there anything I should know about reporting and dealing with a non-profit compared to a regular company? I am willing to provide the screenshots if anyone needs more clarification or proof. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all.
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I'd also contact the state representative for the area. Their constituent services would work on this--espexialy if they're getting state money
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Charitable nonprofit organizations are not allowed to discriminate in this manner, and your state charities registration office may go to bat for you. That office usually is under the Secretary of State.
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Adopted a Dog from the shelter and now owner demands it back we just adopted a dog about a month ago from a shelter to train for a service/therapy dog for me. Anyways, had the dog outside and a random lady comes up to my dog and demands her dog back saying it is hers. I asked her why does she say that and she responds saying she was in jail and had people looking for him and went to the shelter and wasn't there. well the shelter said he was found with no tags and half way across town. so animal control picked him up and brought him to the shelter. The shelter posted on media and everything and held him for a 2 weeks no one clamied him. so the shelter placed him for adoption, we went and adopted the dog a week after he was placed for adoption. the lady now somehow got my info and sent me texts saying she is taking us to court and will not be ignored and demands her dog back. so I guess what I am asking is can she sue us and demand her dog back and basically able to get her dog back from us after we adopted him and everything?
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One thing I'd check on is how she got your contact information(check laws on release of information). Secondly, put a restraining order on her. Sounds like you don't want her near your property. Third, you've legally adopted the dog. If it goes to court, bring your paperwork. Ask the place you adopted from to have a representative there to give their side.
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Without a location, there's no way to give you an answer. If the shelter followed the local laws and ordinances regarding putting animals up for adoption then the animal is legally yours now. If her threats of legal action actually materialize into a court date, make sure you don't ignore it.
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My wife recently Severed ties with her Mother and Stepfather and their entire side of the family (she did, not them). Her Mother and Stepfather showed up to our house yesterday claiming they will go to Legal Lengths to see their Grandchild (My son) if they have to. Can they actually do anything?
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Grandparents rights is a thing. And, it can be ordered through the courts. Though usually not under the circumstances you describe. Your location is important if you want details. But, I'd say you are pretty safe to ignore the threats until actually served with court papers.
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They can initiate a partial custody action (partial physical custody and visitation are generally constructed as having the same meaning in PA), but if you and your wife are married, and haven't initiated a custody action yourselves or separated, the grandparents are VERY unlikely to prevail unless your child is being abused or neglected. *See* 23 PaCS § 5324.
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My wife recently Severed ties with her Mother and Stepfather and their entire side of the family (she did, not them). Her Mother and Stepfather showed up to our house yesterday claiming they will go to Legal Lengths to see their Grandchild (My son) if they have to. Can they actually do anything?
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They can initiate a partial custody action (partial physical custody and visitation are generally constructed as having the same meaning in PA), but if you and your wife are married, and haven't initiated a custody action yourselves or separated, the grandparents are VERY unlikely to prevail unless your child is being abused or neglected. *See* 23 PaCS § 5324.
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My wife recently Severed ties with her Mother and Stepfather and their entire side of the family (she did, not them). Her Mother and Stepfather showed up to our house yesterday claiming they will go to Legal Lengths to see their Grandchild (My son) if they have to. Can they actually do anything?
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You already have good advice. I just wanted to add that you should be prepared for a CPS investigation. A lot of people panic if CPS shows up, but an inspection is very easy to pass. Essentially, you need to show them that the house is clean and safe. Common sense stuff, like don't leave cleaning products or medicine where the child can get them, don't leave moldy dishes lying around, that kind of thing. They won't be concerned about general clutter.
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Grandparents rights is a thing. And, it can be ordered through the courts. Though usually not under the circumstances you describe. Your location is important if you want details. But, I'd say you are pretty safe to ignore the threats until actually served with court papers.
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My wife recently Severed ties with her Mother and Stepfather and their entire side of the family (she did, not them). Her Mother and Stepfather showed up to our house yesterday claiming they will go to Legal Lengths to see their Grandchild (My son) if they have to. Can they actually do anything?
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You already have good advice. I just wanted to add that you should be prepared for a CPS investigation. A lot of people panic if CPS shows up, but an inspection is very easy to pass. Essentially, you need to show them that the house is clean and safe. Common sense stuff, like don't leave cleaning products or medicine where the child can get them, don't leave moldy dishes lying around, that kind of thing. They won't be concerned about general clutter.
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You said "My" not "Our" is your wife child's stepmom, biomom or adopted mom?
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My wife recently Severed ties with her Mother and Stepfather and their entire side of the family (she did, not them). Her Mother and Stepfather showed up to our house yesterday claiming they will go to Legal Lengths to see their Grandchild (My son) if they have to. Can they actually do anything?
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What’s your location?
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You already have good advice. I just wanted to add that you should be prepared for a CPS investigation. A lot of people panic if CPS shows up, but an inspection is very easy to pass. Essentially, you need to show them that the house is clean and safe. Common sense stuff, like don't leave cleaning products or medicine where the child can get them, don't leave moldy dishes lying around, that kind of thing. They won't be concerned about general clutter.
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My wife recently Severed ties with her Mother and Stepfather and their entire side of the family (she did, not them). Her Mother and Stepfather showed up to our house yesterday claiming they will go to Legal Lengths to see their Grandchild (My son) if they have to. Can they actually do anything?
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What’s your location?
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Grandparents rights is a thing. And, it can be ordered through the courts. Though usually not under the circumstances you describe. Your location is important if you want details. But, I'd say you are pretty safe to ignore the threats until actually served with court papers.
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My wife recently Severed ties with her Mother and Stepfather and their entire side of the family (she did, not them). Her Mother and Stepfather showed up to our house yesterday claiming they will go to Legal Lengths to see their Grandchild (My son) if they have to. Can they actually do anything?
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You said "My" not "Our" is your wife child's stepmom, biomom or adopted mom?
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9lno7f
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My wife recently Severed ties with her Mother and Stepfather and their entire side of the family (she did, not them). Her Mother and Stepfather showed up to our house yesterday claiming they will go to Legal Lengths to see their Grandchild (My son) if they have to. Can they actually do anything?
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I’d start with a no contact letter by email and certified mail. Keep it simple. “Please do not contact me in any way for any reason.” If they don’t respect your wishes, follow up with a letter from lawyer and document everything. Their response to you cutting ties tells you it was the right thing.
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A man keeps showing up at my front door and serves me with papers on behalf of a collections agency I've been renting a 1 unit apartment for the past 23 months. Almost exactly one year ago, a man came to my door and asked if anyone named "Jung" lived at the property. I mistakenly thought that this was the name of my landlord (my landlord is Korean and goes by "James," but this is just a nickname that he goes by, not his legal name) and so I told him that Jung is my landlord but he doesn't live here. The man at my door asked me for my name, and I foolishly gave it to him. About four months later (February 2021), the man appeared again and brought legal papers from an organization called "Collection at Law, Inc" with him. In it, "Jung" is listed as a defendant, and the documents listed me as his tenant and included some verbiage about me being asked to divert 25% of my rent payments to "Onefunder Inc." which is listed as the plaintiff. Afterwards, I texted my landlord and asked him if he knew anyone named Jung, and he said that he knew nothing of it. I then called the phone number for Collection at Law, Inc. and stated that there has been some mistake, and that Jung isn't my landlord at all. The person who I spoke to said something along the lines of "if you're not listed as the defendant, then don't worry about it." I put it out of my mind and went about my life. Tonight, shortly before 9pm, the main appeared at my door yet again with more papers. He insisted that Jung is indeed my landlord and that he is just doing his job by bringing the papers to me. I told him that I don't want them, but he left them at my doorstep when I closed my front door. The papers again list me as a tenant and state that I'm ordered to divert 25% of my monthly rent payments to the plaintiff's attorneys. I'm pretty stressed out about this. To make matters worse, I texted my landlord about it and texted a picture of the front page of the documents that I was served with, and he immediately called me and began screaming about how this is not his problem and that this is my own mess that I need to deal with and that they're coming for me, not him. He swore a lot and got really defensive and I get the feeling that he knows what it's about, but he insisted that he knows nothing of it and doesn't want to hear anything from me about it. So great, not only am I getting these weird legal documents thrown at me, but I inadvertently strained my relationship with my landlord by even bringing it up. I wish I had just never given my name during my initial meeting with this man who keeps coming to my house. It's worth noting that my initial lease on this property expired 11 months ago and I've been living month-to-month under the table with no lease ever since. I pay my landlord via Venmo at the start of each month and that's it. Any advice would be appreciated. :/ Also, I have images of the documents that I was given tonight, but this post gets deleted every time I try to include the links, and it doesn't look like I can attach any images to this post directly. If anyone can help me get around that, that'd be great. (Sorry, I'm a Reddit noob)
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First off, I don’t think you are living under the table. At the expiration of your lease you began living under a month-to-month rental agreement automatically, with the same terms and conditions otherwise. A legal order that is binding on you would have needed to pass through some organ of the state, like a court. So we would need to know more about these legal documents. Do they have a state seal or government letterhead? Do they explain who has given the order, or provide contact information for the office that drafted them? If they do, I would reach out to them. If not, I would question whether they have legal force.
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A man keeps showing up at my front door and serves me with papers on behalf of a collections agency I've been renting a 1 unit apartment for the past 23 months. Almost exactly one year ago, a man came to my door and asked if anyone named "Jung" lived at the property. I mistakenly thought that this was the name of my landlord (my landlord is Korean and goes by "James," but this is just a nickname that he goes by, not his legal name) and so I told him that Jung is my landlord but he doesn't live here. The man at my door asked me for my name, and I foolishly gave it to him. About four months later (February 2021), the man appeared again and brought legal papers from an organization called "Collection at Law, Inc" with him. In it, "Jung" is listed as a defendant, and the documents listed me as his tenant and included some verbiage about me being asked to divert 25% of my rent payments to "Onefunder Inc." which is listed as the plaintiff. Afterwards, I texted my landlord and asked him if he knew anyone named Jung, and he said that he knew nothing of it. I then called the phone number for Collection at Law, Inc. and stated that there has been some mistake, and that Jung isn't my landlord at all. The person who I spoke to said something along the lines of "if you're not listed as the defendant, then don't worry about it." I put it out of my mind and went about my life. Tonight, shortly before 9pm, the main appeared at my door yet again with more papers. He insisted that Jung is indeed my landlord and that he is just doing his job by bringing the papers to me. I told him that I don't want them, but he left them at my doorstep when I closed my front door. The papers again list me as a tenant and state that I'm ordered to divert 25% of my monthly rent payments to the plaintiff's attorneys. I'm pretty stressed out about this. To make matters worse, I texted my landlord about it and texted a picture of the front page of the documents that I was served with, and he immediately called me and began screaming about how this is not his problem and that this is my own mess that I need to deal with and that they're coming for me, not him. He swore a lot and got really defensive and I get the feeling that he knows what it's about, but he insisted that he knows nothing of it and doesn't want to hear anything from me about it. So great, not only am I getting these weird legal documents thrown at me, but I inadvertently strained my relationship with my landlord by even bringing it up. I wish I had just never given my name during my initial meeting with this man who keeps coming to my house. It's worth noting that my initial lease on this property expired 11 months ago and I've been living month-to-month under the table with no lease ever since. I pay my landlord via Venmo at the start of each month and that's it. Any advice would be appreciated. :/ Also, I have images of the documents that I was given tonight, but this post gets deleted every time I try to include the links, and it doesn't look like I can attach any images to this post directly. If anyone can help me get around that, that'd be great. (Sorry, I'm a Reddit noob)
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What state are you in?
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Step one is to find out whether this is actual legal service or some sort of scam. There should be a court and case number listed on the front page of the documents. Call the court (or check online records) and see if this is an active case. Assuming it is an active case, then service to you may be proper. Generally, service can be proper to any adult at a defendant’s last known address. If “Jung” lived there before you then it may be OK to serve you at that address. Until there is an order from the court against *you* (not Jung) you should continue to pay your rent as normal. If there is a court order (that you’ve verified with the court) then you should comply and give your landlord a copy of the order.
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[WA] CPS worker showed up at my door. I have no children. CPS worker doesn't believe me and has been making phone calls in front of my place for the last hour. Honestly, I have no idea what's going on or what's about to happen. A CPS worker showed up at my door about an hour ago and wanted to see 'my child'. Well, being an unmarried single guy I have no children, and am near 99.99% positive I've never had any. I explained this to her, but she seemed to be under the impression that I was hiding something from her. She wanted to come in to get a look around, but I refused on principle. She let it slip that someone reported me for having a kid 'off the grid' that I abuse, or something like that. The only way I could possibly see something like this coming about is that I watched a friend's kid for a night about a month ago, and my neighbor is nosy as hell. Beyond that, I'm at a loss. She's off making calls in front of my place, presumably to the authorities. I know the 'don't talk to the cops' mantra is probably going to apply here, but is this one of those cases where I let them in to see that my place is the quintessential bachelor pad and let them tell the worker to fuck off?
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The worker is talking too her supervisor and likely the manager. They may be trying to talk the police into coming out. Edit word
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> is this one of those cases where I let them in to see that my place is the quintessential bachelor pad and let them tell the worker to fuck off? Letting the cops into your home is a bad idea.
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[WA] CPS worker showed up at my door. I have no children. CPS worker doesn't believe me and has been making phone calls in front of my place for the last hour. Honestly, I have no idea what's going on or what's about to happen. A CPS worker showed up at my door about an hour ago and wanted to see 'my child'. Well, being an unmarried single guy I have no children, and am near 99.99% positive I've never had any. I explained this to her, but she seemed to be under the impression that I was hiding something from her. She wanted to come in to get a look around, but I refused on principle. She let it slip that someone reported me for having a kid 'off the grid' that I abuse, or something like that. The only way I could possibly see something like this coming about is that I watched a friend's kid for a night about a month ago, and my neighbor is nosy as hell. Beyond that, I'm at a loss. She's off making calls in front of my place, presumably to the authorities. I know the 'don't talk to the cops' mantra is probably going to apply here, but is this one of those cases where I let them in to see that my place is the quintessential bachelor pad and let them tell the worker to fuck off?
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d92jqif
| 1,477,098,115 | 1,477,099,050 | 70 | 489 |
Call the police.
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> is this one of those cases where I let them in to see that my place is the quintessential bachelor pad and let them tell the worker to fuck off? Letting the cops into your home is a bad idea.
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[WA] CPS worker showed up at my door. I have no children. CPS worker doesn't believe me and has been making phone calls in front of my place for the last hour. Honestly, I have no idea what's going on or what's about to happen. A CPS worker showed up at my door about an hour ago and wanted to see 'my child'. Well, being an unmarried single guy I have no children, and am near 99.99% positive I've never had any. I explained this to her, but she seemed to be under the impression that I was hiding something from her. She wanted to come in to get a look around, but I refused on principle. She let it slip that someone reported me for having a kid 'off the grid' that I abuse, or something like that. The only way I could possibly see something like this coming about is that I watched a friend's kid for a night about a month ago, and my neighbor is nosy as hell. Beyond that, I'm at a loss. She's off making calls in front of my place, presumably to the authorities. I know the 'don't talk to the cops' mantra is probably going to apply here, but is this one of those cases where I let them in to see that my place is the quintessential bachelor pad and let them tell the worker to fuck off?
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| 1,477,099,050 | 1,477,098,125 | 489 | 43 |
> is this one of those cases where I let them in to see that my place is the quintessential bachelor pad and let them tell the worker to fuck off? Letting the cops into your home is a bad idea.
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> is this one of those cases where I let them in to see that my place is the quintessential bachelor pad and let them tell the worker to fuck off? You have no obligation to do so, but that is probably what I would do.
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[WA] CPS worker showed up at my door. I have no children. CPS worker doesn't believe me and has been making phone calls in front of my place for the last hour. Honestly, I have no idea what's going on or what's about to happen. A CPS worker showed up at my door about an hour ago and wanted to see 'my child'. Well, being an unmarried single guy I have no children, and am near 99.99% positive I've never had any. I explained this to her, but she seemed to be under the impression that I was hiding something from her. She wanted to come in to get a look around, but I refused on principle. She let it slip that someone reported me for having a kid 'off the grid' that I abuse, or something like that. The only way I could possibly see something like this coming about is that I watched a friend's kid for a night about a month ago, and my neighbor is nosy as hell. Beyond that, I'm at a loss. She's off making calls in front of my place, presumably to the authorities. I know the 'don't talk to the cops' mantra is probably going to apply here, but is this one of those cases where I let them in to see that my place is the quintessential bachelor pad and let them tell the worker to fuck off?
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d92jdj3
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d92j7p3
| 1,477,098,411 | 1,477,098,115 | 298 | 70 |
The worker is talking too her supervisor and likely the manager. They may be trying to talk the police into coming out. Edit word
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Call the police.
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58qr3e
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[WA] CPS worker showed up at my door. I have no children. CPS worker doesn't believe me and has been making phone calls in front of my place for the last hour. Honestly, I have no idea what's going on or what's about to happen. A CPS worker showed up at my door about an hour ago and wanted to see 'my child'. Well, being an unmarried single guy I have no children, and am near 99.99% positive I've never had any. I explained this to her, but she seemed to be under the impression that I was hiding something from her. She wanted to come in to get a look around, but I refused on principle. She let it slip that someone reported me for having a kid 'off the grid' that I abuse, or something like that. The only way I could possibly see something like this coming about is that I watched a friend's kid for a night about a month ago, and my neighbor is nosy as hell. Beyond that, I'm at a loss. She's off making calls in front of my place, presumably to the authorities. I know the 'don't talk to the cops' mantra is probably going to apply here, but is this one of those cases where I let them in to see that my place is the quintessential bachelor pad and let them tell the worker to fuck off?
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> is this one of those cases where I let them in to see that my place is the quintessential bachelor pad and let them tell the worker to fuck off? You have no obligation to do so, but that is probably what I would do.
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The worker is talking too her supervisor and likely the manager. They may be trying to talk the police into coming out. Edit word
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58qr3e
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[WA] CPS worker showed up at my door. I have no children. CPS worker doesn't believe me and has been making phone calls in front of my place for the last hour. Honestly, I have no idea what's going on or what's about to happen. A CPS worker showed up at my door about an hour ago and wanted to see 'my child'. Well, being an unmarried single guy I have no children, and am near 99.99% positive I've never had any. I explained this to her, but she seemed to be under the impression that I was hiding something from her. She wanted to come in to get a look around, but I refused on principle. She let it slip that someone reported me for having a kid 'off the grid' that I abuse, or something like that. The only way I could possibly see something like this coming about is that I watched a friend's kid for a night about a month ago, and my neighbor is nosy as hell. Beyond that, I'm at a loss. She's off making calls in front of my place, presumably to the authorities. I know the 'don't talk to the cops' mantra is probably going to apply here, but is this one of those cases where I let them in to see that my place is the quintessential bachelor pad and let them tell the worker to fuck off?
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d92j7x1
| 1,477,117,397 | 1,477,098,125 | 46 | 43 |
The CPS worker may have been given a wrong address. It is a government operation after all.
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> is this one of those cases where I let them in to see that my place is the quintessential bachelor pad and let them tell the worker to fuck off? You have no obligation to do so, but that is probably what I would do.
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What I can I do to stop my neighbor's kids from watching me in my house (SC) I live in a smaller house with 2 roommates (also female) we are all students at the college in the town. we rent the house from one of my roommate's uncles. Our neighbors have 3 boys ages 13-7. and there is a large open space behind our backyards that belongs to the city. When we first moved into the house a neighbor a couple of houses down warned us the boys were troublemakers. I had assumed it was normal young boy behavior as I grew up with brothers. the second day we lived there I noticed the boys were standing in the open space behind our house watching us through the windows. At the time I assumed they were just being kids and trying to investigate the new neighbors. But they have escalated in creepiness. On multiple occasions, we've caught them looking into our windows with binoculars, Climbing the tree in their yard and getting as close as possible to the window in our bathroom and peaking in, they've come into our backyard which has a fence and we've caught them looking into various windows, they come into our front yard and stare into our front windows, and they've climbed into the fire escape which is a direct window to our laundry room and we've caught them taking pictures or just watching us. We've spoken to their parents and the cops and all we've been told is that "boys will be boys" and that they are young and can't do any real harm. we've installed cameras and curtains. but that hasn't deterred them from trying to peek into the windows. I need to know if there is any legal action we can take against our neighbors. The kids are all under 18 so I don't know what we can legally do.
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j0ep04l
| 1,671,139,068 | 1,671,157,434 | 73 | 113 |
Tell the parents and the police that they are officially trespassed from the property from this point on. After that, they would be in direct violation of the law and the police would HAVE to do something since juvenile trespassing is a Class 1 misdemeanor. Class 1 misdemeanors are the most serious of misdemeanors.
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https://law.justia.com/codes/south-carolina/2012/title-16/chapter-17/section-16-17-470 Send them a copy of this and explain that you are putting cameras up and will have them prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Follow through with your threats.
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zmr0k4
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What I can I do to stop my neighbor's kids from watching me in my house (SC) I live in a smaller house with 2 roommates (also female) we are all students at the college in the town. we rent the house from one of my roommate's uncles. Our neighbors have 3 boys ages 13-7. and there is a large open space behind our backyards that belongs to the city. When we first moved into the house a neighbor a couple of houses down warned us the boys were troublemakers. I had assumed it was normal young boy behavior as I grew up with brothers. the second day we lived there I noticed the boys were standing in the open space behind our house watching us through the windows. At the time I assumed they were just being kids and trying to investigate the new neighbors. But they have escalated in creepiness. On multiple occasions, we've caught them looking into our windows with binoculars, Climbing the tree in their yard and getting as close as possible to the window in our bathroom and peaking in, they've come into our backyard which has a fence and we've caught them looking into various windows, they come into our front yard and stare into our front windows, and they've climbed into the fire escape which is a direct window to our laundry room and we've caught them taking pictures or just watching us. We've spoken to their parents and the cops and all we've been told is that "boys will be boys" and that they are young and can't do any real harm. we've installed cameras and curtains. but that hasn't deterred them from trying to peek into the windows. I need to know if there is any legal action we can take against our neighbors. The kids are all under 18 so I don't know what we can legally do.
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j0ep04l
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j0dwt0c
| 1,671,157,434 | 1,671,144,994 | 113 | 25 |
https://law.justia.com/codes/south-carolina/2012/title-16/chapter-17/section-16-17-470 Send them a copy of this and explain that you are putting cameras up and will have them prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Follow through with your threats.
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You can call the police for trespassing. Police can’t really do much if they watch from a far. Best thing to do would be closing your curtains all day. Or get window privacy film that blocks view from the outside during daylight. But you will still have to have your curtains closed at night.
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What I can I do to stop my neighbor's kids from watching me in my house (SC) I live in a smaller house with 2 roommates (also female) we are all students at the college in the town. we rent the house from one of my roommate's uncles. Our neighbors have 3 boys ages 13-7. and there is a large open space behind our backyards that belongs to the city. When we first moved into the house a neighbor a couple of houses down warned us the boys were troublemakers. I had assumed it was normal young boy behavior as I grew up with brothers. the second day we lived there I noticed the boys were standing in the open space behind our house watching us through the windows. At the time I assumed they were just being kids and trying to investigate the new neighbors. But they have escalated in creepiness. On multiple occasions, we've caught them looking into our windows with binoculars, Climbing the tree in their yard and getting as close as possible to the window in our bathroom and peaking in, they've come into our backyard which has a fence and we've caught them looking into various windows, they come into our front yard and stare into our front windows, and they've climbed into the fire escape which is a direct window to our laundry room and we've caught them taking pictures or just watching us. We've spoken to their parents and the cops and all we've been told is that "boys will be boys" and that they are young and can't do any real harm. we've installed cameras and curtains. but that hasn't deterred them from trying to peek into the windows. I need to know if there is any legal action we can take against our neighbors. The kids are all under 18 so I don't know what we can legally do.
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j0ep04l
| 1,671,154,774 | 1,671,157,434 | 7 | 113 |
No Trespassing signs aren't all that expensive. Post one in the front and back of the house (on the outside of the fence so anyone walking in the open lot would see it) If it's a big fence maybe two signs, one at each end. I'd also let your landlord know about this. If the LL has owned the house awhile, perhaps he knows the parents of the kids. Have him address this with the parents with a warning that the police are soon to be involved if it doesn't stop. Motion activated lights (the landlord could provide these) could scare the kids away at night.
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https://law.justia.com/codes/south-carolina/2012/title-16/chapter-17/section-16-17-470 Send them a copy of this and explain that you are putting cameras up and will have them prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Follow through with your threats.
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What I can I do to stop my neighbor's kids from watching me in my house (SC) I live in a smaller house with 2 roommates (also female) we are all students at the college in the town. we rent the house from one of my roommate's uncles. Our neighbors have 3 boys ages 13-7. and there is a large open space behind our backyards that belongs to the city. When we first moved into the house a neighbor a couple of houses down warned us the boys were troublemakers. I had assumed it was normal young boy behavior as I grew up with brothers. the second day we lived there I noticed the boys were standing in the open space behind our house watching us through the windows. At the time I assumed they were just being kids and trying to investigate the new neighbors. But they have escalated in creepiness. On multiple occasions, we've caught them looking into our windows with binoculars, Climbing the tree in their yard and getting as close as possible to the window in our bathroom and peaking in, they've come into our backyard which has a fence and we've caught them looking into various windows, they come into our front yard and stare into our front windows, and they've climbed into the fire escape which is a direct window to our laundry room and we've caught them taking pictures or just watching us. We've spoken to their parents and the cops and all we've been told is that "boys will be boys" and that they are young and can't do any real harm. we've installed cameras and curtains. but that hasn't deterred them from trying to peek into the windows. I need to know if there is any legal action we can take against our neighbors. The kids are all under 18 so I don't know what we can legally do.
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j0di0vc
| 1,671,167,499 | 1,671,139,068 | 82 | 73 |
Put peel and stick frost film on the windows. Cameras as well. You can also look into filing a private criminal complaint in court for harassment. Most jurisdictions have the process where you file a complaint a clerk holds a hearing and decides if it advances. Forcing the kids and parents to court might put a stop to it
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Tell the parents and the police that they are officially trespassed from the property from this point on. After that, they would be in direct violation of the law and the police would HAVE to do something since juvenile trespassing is a Class 1 misdemeanor. Class 1 misdemeanors are the most serious of misdemeanors.
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zmr0k4
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What I can I do to stop my neighbor's kids from watching me in my house (SC) I live in a smaller house with 2 roommates (also female) we are all students at the college in the town. we rent the house from one of my roommate's uncles. Our neighbors have 3 boys ages 13-7. and there is a large open space behind our backyards that belongs to the city. When we first moved into the house a neighbor a couple of houses down warned us the boys were troublemakers. I had assumed it was normal young boy behavior as I grew up with brothers. the second day we lived there I noticed the boys were standing in the open space behind our house watching us through the windows. At the time I assumed they were just being kids and trying to investigate the new neighbors. But they have escalated in creepiness. On multiple occasions, we've caught them looking into our windows with binoculars, Climbing the tree in their yard and getting as close as possible to the window in our bathroom and peaking in, they've come into our backyard which has a fence and we've caught them looking into various windows, they come into our front yard and stare into our front windows, and they've climbed into the fire escape which is a direct window to our laundry room and we've caught them taking pictures or just watching us. We've spoken to their parents and the cops and all we've been told is that "boys will be boys" and that they are young and can't do any real harm. we've installed cameras and curtains. but that hasn't deterred them from trying to peek into the windows. I need to know if there is any legal action we can take against our neighbors. The kids are all under 18 so I don't know what we can legally do.
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j0f9bhm
| 1,671,144,994 | 1,671,167,499 | 25 | 82 |
You can call the police for trespassing. Police can’t really do much if they watch from a far. Best thing to do would be closing your curtains all day. Or get window privacy film that blocks view from the outside during daylight. But you will still have to have your curtains closed at night.
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Put peel and stick frost film on the windows. Cameras as well. You can also look into filing a private criminal complaint in court for harassment. Most jurisdictions have the process where you file a complaint a clerk holds a hearing and decides if it advances. Forcing the kids and parents to court might put a stop to it
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zmr0k4
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What I can I do to stop my neighbor's kids from watching me in my house (SC) I live in a smaller house with 2 roommates (also female) we are all students at the college in the town. we rent the house from one of my roommate's uncles. Our neighbors have 3 boys ages 13-7. and there is a large open space behind our backyards that belongs to the city. When we first moved into the house a neighbor a couple of houses down warned us the boys were troublemakers. I had assumed it was normal young boy behavior as I grew up with brothers. the second day we lived there I noticed the boys were standing in the open space behind our house watching us through the windows. At the time I assumed they were just being kids and trying to investigate the new neighbors. But they have escalated in creepiness. On multiple occasions, we've caught them looking into our windows with binoculars, Climbing the tree in their yard and getting as close as possible to the window in our bathroom and peaking in, they've come into our backyard which has a fence and we've caught them looking into various windows, they come into our front yard and stare into our front windows, and they've climbed into the fire escape which is a direct window to our laundry room and we've caught them taking pictures or just watching us. We've spoken to their parents and the cops and all we've been told is that "boys will be boys" and that they are young and can't do any real harm. we've installed cameras and curtains. but that hasn't deterred them from trying to peek into the windows. I need to know if there is any legal action we can take against our neighbors. The kids are all under 18 so I don't know what we can legally do.
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j0ej5a8
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j0f9bhm
| 1,671,154,774 | 1,671,167,499 | 7 | 82 |
No Trespassing signs aren't all that expensive. Post one in the front and back of the house (on the outside of the fence so anyone walking in the open lot would see it) If it's a big fence maybe two signs, one at each end. I'd also let your landlord know about this. If the LL has owned the house awhile, perhaps he knows the parents of the kids. Have him address this with the parents with a warning that the police are soon to be involved if it doesn't stop. Motion activated lights (the landlord could provide these) could scare the kids away at night.
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Put peel and stick frost film on the windows. Cameras as well. You can also look into filing a private criminal complaint in court for harassment. Most jurisdictions have the process where you file a complaint a clerk holds a hearing and decides if it advances. Forcing the kids and parents to court might put a stop to it
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[OK] My puppy and I were attacked by two pitbulls. My puppy died, and I had to go to the emergency room. The owner of the dogs refuse to pay my medical bills. On November 3rd of 2018, a little over two weeks after my wedding, I took Remus on a walk at around 5:15 am. Remus was a very energetic puppy, so I would have to take him on a walk first thing in the morning to tire him out. We live in a very safe neighborhood in a very safe town in Oklahoma, so I wasn't worried about our safety. About 10 minutes into our walk, two pitbulls turned onto the street and immediately attacked and killed my 11-month-old puppy. I sustained cuts on my hands from trying to protect my puppy, and a bite on my thigh. My wife took me to the emergency room, and I got staples put into my leg and a tetanus shot. Later that morning, an officer came by our house and told us that the owner of the dogs neglected to lock the pitbulls up correctly, and this wasn't the first time that those pitbulls have attacked another dog. The dogs were returned to the owner, and our city ordered them to be euthanized after 10 days time. The dogs were euthanized on November 13th. Fast forward to December. The owner had a hearing, and was ordered to pay my medical bills (~$500) for an exchange for me not to sue him. He told the city attorney that he wasn't going to pay, and he hasn't. My wife and I were going to take him to small claims court, but we fear that, even if we win, the guy will not pay. We are worried that if we pursue this, it will just be a waste of time, and open up the possibility for the owner to sue us back. My wife and I can't afford to hire an attorney, but I just can't let it go. It has been several months, and I still think about what happened every single day. I know that accidents happen, but this wasn't the first time this has happened with the owner, I don't want to let him get away with such negligence. Would it be worth it to continue to pursue legal action? If we took him to small claims court and won, would he have to pay my medical bill? What would the consequences be of refusing to pay?
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eicfc8g
| 1,552,373,712 | 1,552,390,989 | 4 | 21 |
Not an American lawyer, but if you need a lawyer your state should have a bar association that can help you seek free legal advice. There are usually also free legal advice centres, or lawyers who will take this up pro bono, may be worth asking around.
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What basis would he have for counter-suing you? Pos was negligent and worse, malicious in his handling of everything.
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6iu6z6
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A large, aggressive dog gets loose in our neighborhood frequently. It has killed peoples' pets on their property on at least 2 occasions. Do we have any recourse? I live in New York State. In May 2016 a large dog ran up my driveway and killed my pet cat who was laying on my rear steps. I called 911 and reported the dog and the owner to animal control. She was given a property violation for her fence not being up to code, but as far as I know that was all that resulted from the call. Since then, the dog has been loose in the neighborhood frequently, including coming back onto my property and chasing my other pets. On 3 occasions when this happened, I filed a "nuisance dog" report with my city's non-emergency law enforcement department. I'm unsure if anything resulted from those reports. 2 days ago, this same dog was loose and ran onto a neighbor's porch, attacking and killing their pet cat. I know that they called 911 and reported the incident, but I don't know the details. Do I, the other pet owner, or members of our neighborhood have ANY recourse against this dog owner for her dog terrorizing the neighborhood and killing pets? We vigilantly report sighting to the non-emergency department, but we mostly feel helpless. Note: this owner is aware that her dog gets loose, chases people, and "makes meals" of pets, per her posts [here.]
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dj92vmt
| 1,498,145,250 | 1,498,146,209 | 42 | 440 |
You should call animal control. More info here
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You and your neighbor can also sue the owner for the value of the cats. Edit: You, and everyone that agrees with you, should continue to call animal control every time the dog is loose. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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6iu6z6
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A large, aggressive dog gets loose in our neighborhood frequently. It has killed peoples' pets on their property on at least 2 occasions. Do we have any recourse? I live in New York State. In May 2016 a large dog ran up my driveway and killed my pet cat who was laying on my rear steps. I called 911 and reported the dog and the owner to animal control. She was given a property violation for her fence not being up to code, but as far as I know that was all that resulted from the call. Since then, the dog has been loose in the neighborhood frequently, including coming back onto my property and chasing my other pets. On 3 occasions when this happened, I filed a "nuisance dog" report with my city's non-emergency law enforcement department. I'm unsure if anything resulted from those reports. 2 days ago, this same dog was loose and ran onto a neighbor's porch, attacking and killing their pet cat. I know that they called 911 and reported the incident, but I don't know the details. Do I, the other pet owner, or members of our neighborhood have ANY recourse against this dog owner for her dog terrorizing the neighborhood and killing pets? We vigilantly report sighting to the non-emergency department, but we mostly feel helpless. Note: this owner is aware that her dog gets loose, chases people, and "makes meals" of pets, per her posts [here.]
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dj93jz1
| 1,498,152,360 | 1,498,146,899 | 124 | 49 |
Just wondering, but could you just shoot the dog if it was on your property attacking your cat?
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Start documenting each and every transgression by this dog. Keep a log of every date/time you see the dog out of their yard, all the damage it does to property & pets, etc. Call animal control each time, as mentioned by others, and let them know the history of the animal. Offering them a copy of your log each time you call might eventually get them to realize the severity of the situation.
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A large, aggressive dog gets loose in our neighborhood frequently. It has killed peoples' pets on their property on at least 2 occasions. Do we have any recourse? I live in New York State. In May 2016 a large dog ran up my driveway and killed my pet cat who was laying on my rear steps. I called 911 and reported the dog and the owner to animal control. She was given a property violation for her fence not being up to code, but as far as I know that was all that resulted from the call. Since then, the dog has been loose in the neighborhood frequently, including coming back onto my property and chasing my other pets. On 3 occasions when this happened, I filed a "nuisance dog" report with my city's non-emergency law enforcement department. I'm unsure if anything resulted from those reports. 2 days ago, this same dog was loose and ran onto a neighbor's porch, attacking and killing their pet cat. I know that they called 911 and reported the incident, but I don't know the details. Do I, the other pet owner, or members of our neighborhood have ANY recourse against this dog owner for her dog terrorizing the neighborhood and killing pets? We vigilantly report sighting to the non-emergency department, but we mostly feel helpless. Note: this owner is aware that her dog gets loose, chases people, and "makes meals" of pets, per her posts [here.]
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dj91yha
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dj98zy2
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You should call animal control. More info here
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Just wondering, but could you just shoot the dog if it was on your property attacking your cat?
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6iu6z6
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A large, aggressive dog gets loose in our neighborhood frequently. It has killed peoples' pets on their property on at least 2 occasions. Do we have any recourse? I live in New York State. In May 2016 a large dog ran up my driveway and killed my pet cat who was laying on my rear steps. I called 911 and reported the dog and the owner to animal control. She was given a property violation for her fence not being up to code, but as far as I know that was all that resulted from the call. Since then, the dog has been loose in the neighborhood frequently, including coming back onto my property and chasing my other pets. On 3 occasions when this happened, I filed a "nuisance dog" report with my city's non-emergency law enforcement department. I'm unsure if anything resulted from those reports. 2 days ago, this same dog was loose and ran onto a neighbor's porch, attacking and killing their pet cat. I know that they called 911 and reported the incident, but I don't know the details. Do I, the other pet owner, or members of our neighborhood have ANY recourse against this dog owner for her dog terrorizing the neighborhood and killing pets? We vigilantly report sighting to the non-emergency department, but we mostly feel helpless. Note: this owner is aware that her dog gets loose, chases people, and "makes meals" of pets, per her posts [here.]
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dj91yha
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dj93jz1
| 1,498,145,250 | 1,498,146,899 | 42 | 49 |
You should call animal control. More info here
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Start documenting each and every transgression by this dog. Keep a log of every date/time you see the dog out of their yard, all the damage it does to property & pets, etc. Call animal control each time, as mentioned by others, and let them know the history of the animal. Offering them a copy of your log each time you call might eventually get them to realize the severity of the situation.
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zp8yxh
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Being sexually harassed by my roommate I (28f) am the homeowner of this house. My ex bf (37m) has been living with me since I got the place but is not on the deed/mortgage, not part owner, nothing. We don’t have a lease agreement either, he is just living with me, no paperwork showing it though. He pays the utilities (which he’s behind on by a few months) and his own expenses. At this point we are just roommates, as I broke up with him about 2 months ago after I learned from my doctor my feminine health issues that started 2.5 years ago (shortly after we started sleeping together) could likely be caused by him. Past doctors were gaslighting me saying he couldn’t be the cause, but this one finally acknowledged there’s a good chance I was right. I’ll spare the details of what these health issues have been but it has been traumatizing to say the least to the point where I do not want to have sex anytime in the foreseeable futur. I am absolutely terrified to experience what I went through indefinitely and knowing it could be him I know I will never touch him again in my life. I informed him of this decision and at first he acted like he respected it and just asked that I give him time to get his motorcycle running again before having him move out. I agreed that would be fine as long as things stayed cordial. Fast forward to a couple weeks ago and he has been nonstop asking for sex, and I mean CONSTANTLY. I can barely get a moment of peace in my own home without him harassing me, pulling his d*ck out, or him touching me wherever he pleases. I tell him to stop that I am not interested and he doesn’t. He has not raped me, so I don’t know if a hospital can detect what he’s doing since he isn’t hurting me to the point there’s any marks or anything, he’s literally just feeling me up all the time and I tell him to stop. I am scared to physically defend myself because he has called the cops on me for doing that before in a similar instance but because I had no marks on me it would have made me look very guilty (I dipped when he called and they never found me so nothing happened there). My question is, since this isn’t a landlord/renter situation, how do I go about getting rid of him to where if he says he isn’t leaving I can have the cops escort him out? Would i still need to go through the eviction process? Any advise would be helpful, thank you.
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j0rhq52
| 1,671,399,333 | 1,671,399,207 | 134 | 21 |
> pulling his d*ck out, or him touching me wherever he pleases. Call the cops when that happens. > Would i still need to go through the eviction process? Yes.
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He is your tenant, we need to know your location in order to explain the eviction process. If he exposes himself or touches you again, immediately call the police.
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zp8yxh
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legaladvice_train
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Being sexually harassed by my roommate I (28f) am the homeowner of this house. My ex bf (37m) has been living with me since I got the place but is not on the deed/mortgage, not part owner, nothing. We don’t have a lease agreement either, he is just living with me, no paperwork showing it though. He pays the utilities (which he’s behind on by a few months) and his own expenses. At this point we are just roommates, as I broke up with him about 2 months ago after I learned from my doctor my feminine health issues that started 2.5 years ago (shortly after we started sleeping together) could likely be caused by him. Past doctors were gaslighting me saying he couldn’t be the cause, but this one finally acknowledged there’s a good chance I was right. I’ll spare the details of what these health issues have been but it has been traumatizing to say the least to the point where I do not want to have sex anytime in the foreseeable futur. I am absolutely terrified to experience what I went through indefinitely and knowing it could be him I know I will never touch him again in my life. I informed him of this decision and at first he acted like he respected it and just asked that I give him time to get his motorcycle running again before having him move out. I agreed that would be fine as long as things stayed cordial. Fast forward to a couple weeks ago and he has been nonstop asking for sex, and I mean CONSTANTLY. I can barely get a moment of peace in my own home without him harassing me, pulling his d*ck out, or him touching me wherever he pleases. I tell him to stop that I am not interested and he doesn’t. He has not raped me, so I don’t know if a hospital can detect what he’s doing since he isn’t hurting me to the point there’s any marks or anything, he’s literally just feeling me up all the time and I tell him to stop. I am scared to physically defend myself because he has called the cops on me for doing that before in a similar instance but because I had no marks on me it would have made me look very guilty (I dipped when he called and they never found me so nothing happened there). My question is, since this isn’t a landlord/renter situation, how do I go about getting rid of him to where if he says he isn’t leaving I can have the cops escort him out? Would i still need to go through the eviction process? Any advise would be helpful, thank you.
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j0rhq52
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j0rsl8v
| 1,671,399,207 | 1,671,403,838 | 21 | 118 |
He is your tenant, we need to know your location in order to explain the eviction process. If he exposes himself or touches you again, immediately call the police.
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Not a lawyer; detective. Him "touching you wherever he pleases" and exposing himself to you are crimes. A criminal investigation would be muddy, but not impossible. Initiate the eviction, file for a protection order, and turn on your phone camera the next time he's going to touch you, then call police.
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coi0cx
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(NYC) My apartment building was seized then auctioned off by IRS. The previous owner fled and new owner let me know that he needs a security deposit despite it already being paid and well documented in our contract. Am I responsible for this? I recently found out that the previous owner of my apartment (previous LL) was flagged for tax evasion and the building I live in was seized then auctioned by IRS. The new owner has let me know that he never received my security deposit. I informed him it was on file and this is when he told me all of this information. I don’t know much but it seems to me that when the new owner bought the building, he incurred all of the debts, including the security deposits. He kept is vague in terms of if he will require a second deposit, if he will return the deposit I have on file etc...as we are in negotiations for renewing my lease. Am I legally responsible for paying him a second deposit. Is he legally required to refund my current deposit? What are my options, if any. Thanks!
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ewik3eo
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ewibho5
| 1,565,450,959 | 1,565,444,905 | 2,535 | 1,698 |
If he said this to you, he may have said this to other tenants in the building. It may be worth going collectively to a lawyer or otherwise organizing.
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Here is the law but my goodness that's some legalese. Can someone translate? Edit: Based on translation below, the new landlord will have to give you your deposit back at the end of term. His recourse is to sue the old landlord or eat it. Edit edit: 5 or less units, not rent controlled. Here 6 or more (provided by a user below). Here
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coi0cx
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legaladvice_train
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(NYC) My apartment building was seized then auctioned off by IRS. The previous owner fled and new owner let me know that he needs a security deposit despite it already being paid and well documented in our contract. Am I responsible for this? I recently found out that the previous owner of my apartment (previous LL) was flagged for tax evasion and the building I live in was seized then auctioned by IRS. The new owner has let me know that he never received my security deposit. I informed him it was on file and this is when he told me all of this information. I don’t know much but it seems to me that when the new owner bought the building, he incurred all of the debts, including the security deposits. He kept is vague in terms of if he will require a second deposit, if he will return the deposit I have on file etc...as we are in negotiations for renewing my lease. Am I legally responsible for paying him a second deposit. Is he legally required to refund my current deposit? What are my options, if any. Thanks!
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ewjbml3
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ewiwkyz
| 1,565,464,211 | 1,565,457,876 | 25 | 13 |
If this is NYC, I would recommend calling 311. They should be able to put you in contact with a city agency that can also give you advice
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Are you in a rent controlled or rent stabilized unit? NYC has some pretty strict rental laws, generally in favor of the tenant. You should get *really* familiar with them. You’re starting your relationship with your new landlord by telling him that you don’t owe him a security deposit, and legally he’s going to owe it to *you* when you move out. That’s not a great foot to get off on, so you want to make sure you know your rights in case he tries to kick you out or make you move out. You should also do a video walkthrough of your entire apartment, with the date visible in it.
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coi0cx
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legaladvice_train
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(NYC) My apartment building was seized then auctioned off by IRS. The previous owner fled and new owner let me know that he needs a security deposit despite it already being paid and well documented in our contract. Am I responsible for this? I recently found out that the previous owner of my apartment (previous LL) was flagged for tax evasion and the building I live in was seized then auctioned by IRS. The new owner has let me know that he never received my security deposit. I informed him it was on file and this is when he told me all of this information. I don’t know much but it seems to me that when the new owner bought the building, he incurred all of the debts, including the security deposits. He kept is vague in terms of if he will require a second deposit, if he will return the deposit I have on file etc...as we are in negotiations for renewing my lease. Am I legally responsible for paying him a second deposit. Is he legally required to refund my current deposit? What are my options, if any. Thanks!
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ewjbml3
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ewj32pi
| 1,565,464,211 | 1,565,460,621 | 25 | 8 |
If this is NYC, I would recommend calling 311. They should be able to put you in contact with a city agency that can also give you advice
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Not related to your question, since the others already answered that for you, but I thought it’d be good to add that you should be very meticulous about taking photos of your apartment if your new landlord decides to not renegotiate your lease when it ends. Since they’re responsible for returning it to you, I would not be surprised if they try to find a way to keep it.
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yqvqn3
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Why am I being asked for a DNA sample after my car has been stolen? Brief recap of the situation: My car was stolen sometime between a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon. Filed a police report on that afternoon, reported to insurance Monday morning. Tuesday morning I was informed my car was used in several violent crimes, including robbery, in a nearby city. Suspects involved were not arrested and the car was not recovered, but police are on the lookout. Answered several questions over the phone about my car to aid in identifying it. Was then asked to provide a detective with a DNA sample in order to, quote, "rule me out" of suspicion should the vehicle be recovered. I just want to ensure that I am making the right decision in agreeing to provide DNA, or if this will put me at risk for a wrongful accusation. I'm a young woman and a college student. I'm dumb, scared, and I do not know what my rights are in this situation. Why am I really being asked to provide DNA? My DNA is obviously going to be in the car because it was *my* car. What are the risks in this situation? I do not want to be misled or taken advantage of for the sake of being agreeable. Thank you for reading, please help if you can.
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ivr15xf
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ivqha1q
| 1,668,037,597 | 1,668,029,384 | 225 | 74 |
If you provide a DNA sample, it’s possible that it could be used against you. Other posters are right that the police *probably* want your DNA sample to separate out DNA from you versus DNA from any suspects. However, after working for years as a criminal defense attorney and seeing how a person’s attempt to be helpful to the police can blow up in their face in all sorts of wild and unpredictable ways, I would never provide my DNA in this circumstance. Police are allowed to lie and they do not have to tell you if they suspect you of being involved in the crimes they are investigating. Also, once they have your DNA, they have it. There’s no taking that back in the future. It does not benefit you to provide a sample, and it could come back to bite you.
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You're being asked to provide a sample for elimination purposes- as you said, your DNA will be on the car because it's your car. That means that if and when the car is recovered, and the crime scene techs collect DNA evidence from it, everything they find is likely to be a mix of your DNA and the DNA of the suspects. Having a known sample from you lets the crime lab separate your contribution out so they can isolate just the suspect's profile and use that in their investigation.
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yqvqn3
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legaladvice_train
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Why am I being asked for a DNA sample after my car has been stolen? Brief recap of the situation: My car was stolen sometime between a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon. Filed a police report on that afternoon, reported to insurance Monday morning. Tuesday morning I was informed my car was used in several violent crimes, including robbery, in a nearby city. Suspects involved were not arrested and the car was not recovered, but police are on the lookout. Answered several questions over the phone about my car to aid in identifying it. Was then asked to provide a detective with a DNA sample in order to, quote, "rule me out" of suspicion should the vehicle be recovered. I just want to ensure that I am making the right decision in agreeing to provide DNA, or if this will put me at risk for a wrongful accusation. I'm a young woman and a college student. I'm dumb, scared, and I do not know what my rights are in this situation. Why am I really being asked to provide DNA? My DNA is obviously going to be in the car because it was *my* car. What are the risks in this situation? I do not want to be misled or taken advantage of for the sake of being agreeable. Thank you for reading, please help if you can.
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ivqs312
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ivr15xf
| 1,668,033,677 | 1,668,037,597 | 54 | 225 |
If you submit, your DNA will be added to the national database. If they tell you otherwise, they would be lying. I would say no.
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If you provide a DNA sample, it’s possible that it could be used against you. Other posters are right that the police *probably* want your DNA sample to separate out DNA from you versus DNA from any suspects. However, after working for years as a criminal defense attorney and seeing how a person’s attempt to be helpful to the police can blow up in their face in all sorts of wild and unpredictable ways, I would never provide my DNA in this circumstance. Police are allowed to lie and they do not have to tell you if they suspect you of being involved in the crimes they are investigating. Also, once they have your DNA, they have it. There’s no taking that back in the future. It does not benefit you to provide a sample, and it could come back to bite you.
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yqvqn3
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legaladvice_train
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Why am I being asked for a DNA sample after my car has been stolen? Brief recap of the situation: My car was stolen sometime between a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon. Filed a police report on that afternoon, reported to insurance Monday morning. Tuesday morning I was informed my car was used in several violent crimes, including robbery, in a nearby city. Suspects involved were not arrested and the car was not recovered, but police are on the lookout. Answered several questions over the phone about my car to aid in identifying it. Was then asked to provide a detective with a DNA sample in order to, quote, "rule me out" of suspicion should the vehicle be recovered. I just want to ensure that I am making the right decision in agreeing to provide DNA, or if this will put me at risk for a wrongful accusation. I'm a young woman and a college student. I'm dumb, scared, and I do not know what my rights are in this situation. Why am I really being asked to provide DNA? My DNA is obviously going to be in the car because it was *my* car. What are the risks in this situation? I do not want to be misled or taken advantage of for the sake of being agreeable. Thank you for reading, please help if you can.
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ivqpuk3
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ivr15xf
| 1,668,032,747 | 1,668,037,597 | 45 | 225 |
I would run this by an attorney before you submit anything.
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If you provide a DNA sample, it’s possible that it could be used against you. Other posters are right that the police *probably* want your DNA sample to separate out DNA from you versus DNA from any suspects. However, after working for years as a criminal defense attorney and seeing how a person’s attempt to be helpful to the police can blow up in their face in all sorts of wild and unpredictable ways, I would never provide my DNA in this circumstance. Police are allowed to lie and they do not have to tell you if they suspect you of being involved in the crimes they are investigating. Also, once they have your DNA, they have it. There’s no taking that back in the future. It does not benefit you to provide a sample, and it could come back to bite you.
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yqvqn3
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legaladvice_train
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Why am I being asked for a DNA sample after my car has been stolen? Brief recap of the situation: My car was stolen sometime between a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon. Filed a police report on that afternoon, reported to insurance Monday morning. Tuesday morning I was informed my car was used in several violent crimes, including robbery, in a nearby city. Suspects involved were not arrested and the car was not recovered, but police are on the lookout. Answered several questions over the phone about my car to aid in identifying it. Was then asked to provide a detective with a DNA sample in order to, quote, "rule me out" of suspicion should the vehicle be recovered. I just want to ensure that I am making the right decision in agreeing to provide DNA, or if this will put me at risk for a wrongful accusation. I'm a young woman and a college student. I'm dumb, scared, and I do not know what my rights are in this situation. Why am I really being asked to provide DNA? My DNA is obviously going to be in the car because it was *my* car. What are the risks in this situation? I do not want to be misled or taken advantage of for the sake of being agreeable. Thank you for reading, please help if you can.
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ivr15xf
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ivqgdci
| 1,668,037,597 | 1,668,029,035 | 225 | 10 |
If you provide a DNA sample, it’s possible that it could be used against you. Other posters are right that the police *probably* want your DNA sample to separate out DNA from you versus DNA from any suspects. However, after working for years as a criminal defense attorney and seeing how a person’s attempt to be helpful to the police can blow up in their face in all sorts of wild and unpredictable ways, I would never provide my DNA in this circumstance. Police are allowed to lie and they do not have to tell you if they suspect you of being involved in the crimes they are investigating. Also, once they have your DNA, they have it. There’s no taking that back in the future. It does not benefit you to provide a sample, and it could come back to bite you.
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They just want an elimination sample so they can focus on finding the real criminal(s). You don't have to provide one short of being ordered to by a court with the appropriate jurisdiction but being as how your car was used by someone who committed multiple violent felonies you should seriously think about doing so to aid in their capture.
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yqvqn3
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legaladvice_train
| 0.89 |
Why am I being asked for a DNA sample after my car has been stolen? Brief recap of the situation: My car was stolen sometime between a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon. Filed a police report on that afternoon, reported to insurance Monday morning. Tuesday morning I was informed my car was used in several violent crimes, including robbery, in a nearby city. Suspects involved were not arrested and the car was not recovered, but police are on the lookout. Answered several questions over the phone about my car to aid in identifying it. Was then asked to provide a detective with a DNA sample in order to, quote, "rule me out" of suspicion should the vehicle be recovered. I just want to ensure that I am making the right decision in agreeing to provide DNA, or if this will put me at risk for a wrongful accusation. I'm a young woman and a college student. I'm dumb, scared, and I do not know what my rights are in this situation. Why am I really being asked to provide DNA? My DNA is obviously going to be in the car because it was *my* car. What are the risks in this situation? I do not want to be misled or taken advantage of for the sake of being agreeable. Thank you for reading, please help if you can.
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ivqgdci
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ivqha1q
| 1,668,029,035 | 1,668,029,384 | 10 | 74 |
They just want an elimination sample so they can focus on finding the real criminal(s). You don't have to provide one short of being ordered to by a court with the appropriate jurisdiction but being as how your car was used by someone who committed multiple violent felonies you should seriously think about doing so to aid in their capture.
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You're being asked to provide a sample for elimination purposes- as you said, your DNA will be on the car because it's your car. That means that if and when the car is recovered, and the crime scene techs collect DNA evidence from it, everything they find is likely to be a mix of your DNA and the DNA of the suspects. Having a known sample from you lets the crime lab separate your contribution out so they can isolate just the suspect's profile and use that in their investigation.
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yqvqn3
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legaladvice_train
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Why am I being asked for a DNA sample after my car has been stolen? Brief recap of the situation: My car was stolen sometime between a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon. Filed a police report on that afternoon, reported to insurance Monday morning. Tuesday morning I was informed my car was used in several violent crimes, including robbery, in a nearby city. Suspects involved were not arrested and the car was not recovered, but police are on the lookout. Answered several questions over the phone about my car to aid in identifying it. Was then asked to provide a detective with a DNA sample in order to, quote, "rule me out" of suspicion should the vehicle be recovered. I just want to ensure that I am making the right decision in agreeing to provide DNA, or if this will put me at risk for a wrongful accusation. I'm a young woman and a college student. I'm dumb, scared, and I do not know what my rights are in this situation. Why am I really being asked to provide DNA? My DNA is obviously going to be in the car because it was *my* car. What are the risks in this situation? I do not want to be misled or taken advantage of for the sake of being agreeable. Thank you for reading, please help if you can.
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ivqpuk3
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ivqs312
| 1,668,032,747 | 1,668,033,677 | 45 | 54 |
I would run this by an attorney before you submit anything.
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If you submit, your DNA will be added to the national database. If they tell you otherwise, they would be lying. I would say no.
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yqvqn3
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legaladvice_train
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Why am I being asked for a DNA sample after my car has been stolen? Brief recap of the situation: My car was stolen sometime between a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon. Filed a police report on that afternoon, reported to insurance Monday morning. Tuesday morning I was informed my car was used in several violent crimes, including robbery, in a nearby city. Suspects involved were not arrested and the car was not recovered, but police are on the lookout. Answered several questions over the phone about my car to aid in identifying it. Was then asked to provide a detective with a DNA sample in order to, quote, "rule me out" of suspicion should the vehicle be recovered. I just want to ensure that I am making the right decision in agreeing to provide DNA, or if this will put me at risk for a wrongful accusation. I'm a young woman and a college student. I'm dumb, scared, and I do not know what my rights are in this situation. Why am I really being asked to provide DNA? My DNA is obviously going to be in the car because it was *my* car. What are the risks in this situation? I do not want to be misled or taken advantage of for the sake of being agreeable. Thank you for reading, please help if you can.
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ivqgdci
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ivqs312
| 1,668,029,035 | 1,668,033,677 | 10 | 54 |
They just want an elimination sample so they can focus on finding the real criminal(s). You don't have to provide one short of being ordered to by a court with the appropriate jurisdiction but being as how your car was used by someone who committed multiple violent felonies you should seriously think about doing so to aid in their capture.
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If you submit, your DNA will be added to the national database. If they tell you otherwise, they would be lying. I would say no.
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yqvqn3
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legaladvice_train
| 0.89 |
Why am I being asked for a DNA sample after my car has been stolen? Brief recap of the situation: My car was stolen sometime between a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon. Filed a police report on that afternoon, reported to insurance Monday morning. Tuesday morning I was informed my car was used in several violent crimes, including robbery, in a nearby city. Suspects involved were not arrested and the car was not recovered, but police are on the lookout. Answered several questions over the phone about my car to aid in identifying it. Was then asked to provide a detective with a DNA sample in order to, quote, "rule me out" of suspicion should the vehicle be recovered. I just want to ensure that I am making the right decision in agreeing to provide DNA, or if this will put me at risk for a wrongful accusation. I'm a young woman and a college student. I'm dumb, scared, and I do not know what my rights are in this situation. Why am I really being asked to provide DNA? My DNA is obviously going to be in the car because it was *my* car. What are the risks in this situation? I do not want to be misled or taken advantage of for the sake of being agreeable. Thank you for reading, please help if you can.
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ivqpuk3
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ivqgdci
| 1,668,032,747 | 1,668,029,035 | 45 | 10 |
I would run this by an attorney before you submit anything.
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They just want an elimination sample so they can focus on finding the real criminal(s). You don't have to provide one short of being ordered to by a court with the appropriate jurisdiction but being as how your car was used by someone who committed multiple violent felonies you should seriously think about doing so to aid in their capture.
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yqvqn3
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legaladvice_train
| 0.89 |
Why am I being asked for a DNA sample after my car has been stolen? Brief recap of the situation: My car was stolen sometime between a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon. Filed a police report on that afternoon, reported to insurance Monday morning. Tuesday morning I was informed my car was used in several violent crimes, including robbery, in a nearby city. Suspects involved were not arrested and the car was not recovered, but police are on the lookout. Answered several questions over the phone about my car to aid in identifying it. Was then asked to provide a detective with a DNA sample in order to, quote, "rule me out" of suspicion should the vehicle be recovered. I just want to ensure that I am making the right decision in agreeing to provide DNA, or if this will put me at risk for a wrongful accusation. I'm a young woman and a college student. I'm dumb, scared, and I do not know what my rights are in this situation. Why am I really being asked to provide DNA? My DNA is obviously going to be in the car because it was *my* car. What are the risks in this situation? I do not want to be misled or taken advantage of for the sake of being agreeable. Thank you for reading, please help if you can.
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ivqgdci
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ivsan5d
| 1,668,029,035 | 1,668,060,519 | 10 | 12 |
They just want an elimination sample so they can focus on finding the real criminal(s). You don't have to provide one short of being ordered to by a court with the appropriate jurisdiction but being as how your car was used by someone who committed multiple violent felonies you should seriously think about doing so to aid in their capture.
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If it is for elimination purposes couldn’t you provide DNA at a later date? The car hasn’t been found yet so why do they need your DNA right now? I would politely decline for now
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Why am I being asked for a DNA sample after my car has been stolen? Brief recap of the situation: My car was stolen sometime between a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon. Filed a police report on that afternoon, reported to insurance Monday morning. Tuesday morning I was informed my car was used in several violent crimes, including robbery, in a nearby city. Suspects involved were not arrested and the car was not recovered, but police are on the lookout. Answered several questions over the phone about my car to aid in identifying it. Was then asked to provide a detective with a DNA sample in order to, quote, "rule me out" of suspicion should the vehicle be recovered. I just want to ensure that I am making the right decision in agreeing to provide DNA, or if this will put me at risk for a wrongful accusation. I'm a young woman and a college student. I'm dumb, scared, and I do not know what my rights are in this situation. Why am I really being asked to provide DNA? My DNA is obviously going to be in the car because it was *my* car. What are the risks in this situation? I do not want to be misled or taken advantage of for the sake of being agreeable. Thank you for reading, please help if you can.
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ivsan5d
| 1,668,052,117 | 1,668,060,519 | 6 | 12 |
Sounds like they mean well but are doing sloppy work. Politely decline and ask if there are other common sense ways to rule you out. Cell records, alibi witnesses, ect. Giving over your genetic code should be last resort unless it was some capital crime.
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If it is for elimination purposes couldn’t you provide DNA at a later date? The car hasn’t been found yet so why do they need your DNA right now? I would politely decline for now
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yqvqn3
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Why am I being asked for a DNA sample after my car has been stolen? Brief recap of the situation: My car was stolen sometime between a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon. Filed a police report on that afternoon, reported to insurance Monday morning. Tuesday morning I was informed my car was used in several violent crimes, including robbery, in a nearby city. Suspects involved were not arrested and the car was not recovered, but police are on the lookout. Answered several questions over the phone about my car to aid in identifying it. Was then asked to provide a detective with a DNA sample in order to, quote, "rule me out" of suspicion should the vehicle be recovered. I just want to ensure that I am making the right decision in agreeing to provide DNA, or if this will put me at risk for a wrongful accusation. I'm a young woman and a college student. I'm dumb, scared, and I do not know what my rights are in this situation. Why am I really being asked to provide DNA? My DNA is obviously going to be in the car because it was *my* car. What are the risks in this situation? I do not want to be misled or taken advantage of for the sake of being agreeable. Thank you for reading, please help if you can.
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ivt7z7g
| 1,668,091,905 | 1,668,085,723 | 6 | 5 |
Absolutely without a doubt, giving your DNA is a bad idea. It CAN be used to rule you out, but it'll be stored in a national database. I watch discovery ID a lot, and I can't count the amount of times I've watched someone talk themselves into handcuffs by trying to be "helpful ". You're under no obligation whatsoever to help the police do their job. You should call a lawyer immediately and not answer any further questions until you have (at the very least) had a consultation with one. There are just so many things that can possibly go wrong by "helping " them. You were the victim of a crime, check into a victims advocate in your area, see if there is any assistance available to you through that as well.
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Unless they have a warrent for it, dont do it. Im for police. But you have rights and they shouldn't even ask this. If they dont stop get a lawyer.
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yqvqn3
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Why am I being asked for a DNA sample after my car has been stolen? Brief recap of the situation: My car was stolen sometime between a Friday evening and a Sunday afternoon. Filed a police report on that afternoon, reported to insurance Monday morning. Tuesday morning I was informed my car was used in several violent crimes, including robbery, in a nearby city. Suspects involved were not arrested and the car was not recovered, but police are on the lookout. Answered several questions over the phone about my car to aid in identifying it. Was then asked to provide a detective with a DNA sample in order to, quote, "rule me out" of suspicion should the vehicle be recovered. I just want to ensure that I am making the right decision in agreeing to provide DNA, or if this will put me at risk for a wrongful accusation. I'm a young woman and a college student. I'm dumb, scared, and I do not know what my rights are in this situation. Why am I really being asked to provide DNA? My DNA is obviously going to be in the car because it was *my* car. What are the risks in this situation? I do not want to be misled or taken advantage of for the sake of being agreeable. Thank you for reading, please help if you can.
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ivt7z7g
| 1,668,062,636 | 1,668,085,723 | 4 | 5 |
Get a lawyer.
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Unless they have a warrent for it, dont do it. Im for police. But you have rights and they shouldn't even ask this. If they dont stop get a lawyer.
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