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[Texas] Friend was disowned by parents and she's an adult. She took a nannying job where her boss allowed her to live and eat for free there under the condition that she is paid less. She quit the job after a bit, now she's being sued for not paying rent. The woman suing her is wealthy and is friends with everyone in the court system. My friend has practically nothing to her name. What can she do? EDIT: There was no contract written up
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ekkeguz
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Does she have a written contract?
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> EDIT: There was no contract written up This actually works in your friends' favor in this case. In order to win a suit, the former boss must prove your friend owes rent (VIA a contract or lease agreement). With no contract (and I'm assuming) no lease agreement, there are no terms for rent. In essence, your friend was staying as a guest. Her former boss cannot just retroactively attempt to charge her rent, for even what amount?
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bbpd9c
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[Texas] Friend was disowned by parents and she's an adult. She took a nannying job where her boss allowed her to live and eat for free there under the condition that she is paid less. She quit the job after a bit, now she's being sued for not paying rent. The woman suing her is wealthy and is friends with everyone in the court system. My friend has practically nothing to her name. What can she do? EDIT: There was no contract written up
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ekkmz6a
| 1,554,920,219 | 1,554,926,043 | 10 | 12 |
Does she have a written contract?
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Did the woman suing her withhold income taxes from her paychecks? Or deposit taxes based on the room and board provided?
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37iyjb
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[TX] I had bought a car on loan.I wasn't able to pay installments of two months. Yesterday, I came home to find that someone had entered into my garage and took my car away. There was a not at my door from loan agent claiming he took it due to failure of payment. Is it legal to repo like this? He entered into my garage without my permission ( My garage door was locked with a padlock, it was found broken with maybe a hammer ) My garage is attached to my home, their connecting door is not locked. So, he could have also robbed my house. God knows. I'm paranoid about someone entering my property without my permission. He took my car away ( Maybe with master key?) and left a note claiming that I'll get my car back only if i pay amount within 10 days. Is it legal to repo like this? Isn't he supposed to give me notice before taking my things away? Any advice.
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crn3gfc
| 1,432,770,541 | 1,432,771,922 | 51 | 86 |
Can you give some more clarification about your garage? Also, the padlock? If the lock was indeed broken, then it might very well constitute a breach of the peace > Isn't he supposed to give me notice before taking my things away? No, not necessarily. You defaulted and failed to meet your obligations. Creditors are allowed to use self help, in some situations, to reclaim their property. However, they cannot breach the peace to do so.
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Taking the car was likely legal. But the breaking and entering probably isn't. You should call the police non emergency number and at least file a report for the broken lock. That won't help you with the car, but it will punish the person who repossessed it Edit: I just noticed I can't spell.
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4a8id6
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(Tennessee) I am a mid-level manager at a very popular retail clothing store. An associate of mine gets drunk on Robitussin while at work and my boss says there's nothing I can do. I'm afraid of working with her because, if she harms a client, I could be sued for letting a drunk person work. Help? Hey there. I'm a sales lead at a women's clothing store. The hierarchy is an associate, then me, then my store manager, then our district manager. I am a key holder and have all the legal responsibility of a store manager, but I do not hire/fire/make schedules. On our shifts, there is typically only one key holding manager present, and there are 4 total in the store. On busy days we will have two managers on in the middle of the day, so there's a little overlap. Our management team consists of a store manager, and three sales leads. One of the leads only works 2 nights per week, so she isn't as familiar with this situation as my store manager and one other sales lead is. I'll call my store manager Ronda, the other sales lead Jess. The associate it question, Sarah, has always been a problem. She's too attentive to clients, she calls them baby/my love (which is certainly not appropriate), she dresses poorly, she has little confidence and multiple clients have expressed concerns about her being like a "puppy desperate for affection". A few months ago Sarah began acting even more oddly. She goes to the bathroom 2-5 times per hour, always bringing her purse, always saying its lady-time (but never carrying feminine hygiene products with her, we do bag check before leaving work so we all see the contents of each others purses). We constantly have to tell her to stop going to the bathroom multiple times per hour unless she bring in a doctors note, but we are not allowed by HR to write her up for it. She goes to the bathroom to smoke an e cig, and (I've recently discovered) to drink Robitussin. A particular Saturday a few weeks ago she started acting very strangely again, mumbling, forgetting that she'd spoken to people, calling Jess a different name even though Jess and Sarah have both worked for our company since before Christmas, etc. She drops things, can't find where clothes go, and almost always ends up crying about something. I went to the back while she was back there, and she was swinging a powerade, but the color was brownish. I told her I loved powerade and asked the flavor, and she told me it was just the regular red kind, then she spazed out, and literally ran to the front. Ran. Odd. So when she left, I opened the bottle and smelled it. It smelled super off, so I put my finger on the rim and tasted the liquid, it's cough syrup and fruit juice. I immediately called Jess to the back, she smelled it too, and agreed. We called our store manager to let her know so we could send Sarah home. Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle. I honestly did not know that, or else I would not have, it was definitely my bad. My store manager told our DM what I discovered, no one is mad at me and I'm not being disciplined, but there's also nothing anyone can do. Our policy is to basically offer help, but we cannot ask of she is drinking cough syrup to get drunk at work. We cannot even write her up, much less fire her for acting drunk at work. Last night I was closing alone with Sarah and she became incredibly intoxicated. I had multiple clients ask me if she was drunk. I was mortified, apologized, and said she has a medical condition. Both clients I expressed the "medical condition" excuse to raised their eyebrows and smiled a bit, obviously not believing me. One said she has that same condition when she drinks too, and the other smirked that alcoholism is certainly a medical condition. I smoothed things over to the best of my ability, gave them each extra discounts, apologized profusely, and let my boss know, again, that I'm very uncomfortable working with Sarah. That the corporate policy is ridiculous, this is a right to work state, etc. When I got home from work I told my fiance about my night and he became livid. He is a police officer, and says that if Sarah knocked something over on a client or hurt them that the client could sue me in civil court for allowing an intoxicated person to work, and that they could sue my company criminally. I'm very concerned. What can I do? My store manager wants her gone as much as I do, but firing people has to be approved through HR and their policy is that repeated rule-breaking must occur, that the associate must commit the same offense three shifts in a row, etc. I'm tired of working with the drunk girl who not only makes clients feel uncomfortable, who embarrasses the heck out of me and our brand. Thanks.
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d0y81fh
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> He is a police officer, and says that if Sarah knocked something over on a client or hurt them that the client could sue me in civil court for allowing an intoxicated person to work, and that they could sue my company criminally. Almost none of this is correct. Your personal liability is pretty well limited by the concept of respondeat superior, whereby the employer is liable for the torts of the employee if the employee is acting within the scope of her employment, so don't sweat that. An injured customer could potentially sue the company, but again -- likely not your problem. Document everything. Ask your manager to schedule her for fewer and fewer shifts until HR can approve the termination.
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Do you have the authority to write her up/send her home if she shows up to work intoxicated? If you have to document stuff to HR in order to fire, start doing that immediately. For every single violation she commits. Also talk to your manager about reducing her hours if that's an option.
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4a8id6
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(Tennessee) I am a mid-level manager at a very popular retail clothing store. An associate of mine gets drunk on Robitussin while at work and my boss says there's nothing I can do. I'm afraid of working with her because, if she harms a client, I could be sued for letting a drunk person work. Help? Hey there. I'm a sales lead at a women's clothing store. The hierarchy is an associate, then me, then my store manager, then our district manager. I am a key holder and have all the legal responsibility of a store manager, but I do not hire/fire/make schedules. On our shifts, there is typically only one key holding manager present, and there are 4 total in the store. On busy days we will have two managers on in the middle of the day, so there's a little overlap. Our management team consists of a store manager, and three sales leads. One of the leads only works 2 nights per week, so she isn't as familiar with this situation as my store manager and one other sales lead is. I'll call my store manager Ronda, the other sales lead Jess. The associate it question, Sarah, has always been a problem. She's too attentive to clients, she calls them baby/my love (which is certainly not appropriate), she dresses poorly, she has little confidence and multiple clients have expressed concerns about her being like a "puppy desperate for affection". A few months ago Sarah began acting even more oddly. She goes to the bathroom 2-5 times per hour, always bringing her purse, always saying its lady-time (but never carrying feminine hygiene products with her, we do bag check before leaving work so we all see the contents of each others purses). We constantly have to tell her to stop going to the bathroom multiple times per hour unless she bring in a doctors note, but we are not allowed by HR to write her up for it. She goes to the bathroom to smoke an e cig, and (I've recently discovered) to drink Robitussin. A particular Saturday a few weeks ago she started acting very strangely again, mumbling, forgetting that she'd spoken to people, calling Jess a different name even though Jess and Sarah have both worked for our company since before Christmas, etc. She drops things, can't find where clothes go, and almost always ends up crying about something. I went to the back while she was back there, and she was swinging a powerade, but the color was brownish. I told her I loved powerade and asked the flavor, and she told me it was just the regular red kind, then she spazed out, and literally ran to the front. Ran. Odd. So when she left, I opened the bottle and smelled it. It smelled super off, so I put my finger on the rim and tasted the liquid, it's cough syrup and fruit juice. I immediately called Jess to the back, she smelled it too, and agreed. We called our store manager to let her know so we could send Sarah home. Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle. I honestly did not know that, or else I would not have, it was definitely my bad. My store manager told our DM what I discovered, no one is mad at me and I'm not being disciplined, but there's also nothing anyone can do. Our policy is to basically offer help, but we cannot ask of she is drinking cough syrup to get drunk at work. We cannot even write her up, much less fire her for acting drunk at work. Last night I was closing alone with Sarah and she became incredibly intoxicated. I had multiple clients ask me if she was drunk. I was mortified, apologized, and said she has a medical condition. Both clients I expressed the "medical condition" excuse to raised their eyebrows and smiled a bit, obviously not believing me. One said she has that same condition when she drinks too, and the other smirked that alcoholism is certainly a medical condition. I smoothed things over to the best of my ability, gave them each extra discounts, apologized profusely, and let my boss know, again, that I'm very uncomfortable working with Sarah. That the corporate policy is ridiculous, this is a right to work state, etc. When I got home from work I told my fiance about my night and he became livid. He is a police officer, and says that if Sarah knocked something over on a client or hurt them that the client could sue me in civil court for allowing an intoxicated person to work, and that they could sue my company criminally. I'm very concerned. What can I do? My store manager wants her gone as much as I do, but firing people has to be approved through HR and their policy is that repeated rule-breaking must occur, that the associate must commit the same offense three shifts in a row, etc. I'm tired of working with the drunk girl who not only makes clients feel uncomfortable, who embarrasses the heck out of me and our brand. Thanks.
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d0y81fh
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>Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle. What crime exactly did they say you committed? I'm not intimately familiar with the criminal laws of the state of Tennessee, but I can't imagine that you committed a crime. >He is a police officer, and says that if Sarah knocked something over on a client or hurt them that the client could sue me in civil court for allowing an intoxicated person to work, and that they could sue my company criminally. None of that is accurate.
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Do you have the authority to write her up/send her home if she shows up to work intoxicated? If you have to document stuff to HR in order to fire, start doing that immediately. For every single violation she commits. Also talk to your manager about reducing her hours if that's an option.
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4a8id6
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legaladvice_train
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(Tennessee) I am a mid-level manager at a very popular retail clothing store. An associate of mine gets drunk on Robitussin while at work and my boss says there's nothing I can do. I'm afraid of working with her because, if she harms a client, I could be sued for letting a drunk person work. Help? Hey there. I'm a sales lead at a women's clothing store. The hierarchy is an associate, then me, then my store manager, then our district manager. I am a key holder and have all the legal responsibility of a store manager, but I do not hire/fire/make schedules. On our shifts, there is typically only one key holding manager present, and there are 4 total in the store. On busy days we will have two managers on in the middle of the day, so there's a little overlap. Our management team consists of a store manager, and three sales leads. One of the leads only works 2 nights per week, so she isn't as familiar with this situation as my store manager and one other sales lead is. I'll call my store manager Ronda, the other sales lead Jess. The associate it question, Sarah, has always been a problem. She's too attentive to clients, she calls them baby/my love (which is certainly not appropriate), she dresses poorly, she has little confidence and multiple clients have expressed concerns about her being like a "puppy desperate for affection". A few months ago Sarah began acting even more oddly. She goes to the bathroom 2-5 times per hour, always bringing her purse, always saying its lady-time (but never carrying feminine hygiene products with her, we do bag check before leaving work so we all see the contents of each others purses). We constantly have to tell her to stop going to the bathroom multiple times per hour unless she bring in a doctors note, but we are not allowed by HR to write her up for it. She goes to the bathroom to smoke an e cig, and (I've recently discovered) to drink Robitussin. A particular Saturday a few weeks ago she started acting very strangely again, mumbling, forgetting that she'd spoken to people, calling Jess a different name even though Jess and Sarah have both worked for our company since before Christmas, etc. She drops things, can't find where clothes go, and almost always ends up crying about something. I went to the back while she was back there, and she was swinging a powerade, but the color was brownish. I told her I loved powerade and asked the flavor, and she told me it was just the regular red kind, then she spazed out, and literally ran to the front. Ran. Odd. So when she left, I opened the bottle and smelled it. It smelled super off, so I put my finger on the rim and tasted the liquid, it's cough syrup and fruit juice. I immediately called Jess to the back, she smelled it too, and agreed. We called our store manager to let her know so we could send Sarah home. Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle. I honestly did not know that, or else I would not have, it was definitely my bad. My store manager told our DM what I discovered, no one is mad at me and I'm not being disciplined, but there's also nothing anyone can do. Our policy is to basically offer help, but we cannot ask of she is drinking cough syrup to get drunk at work. We cannot even write her up, much less fire her for acting drunk at work. Last night I was closing alone with Sarah and she became incredibly intoxicated. I had multiple clients ask me if she was drunk. I was mortified, apologized, and said she has a medical condition. Both clients I expressed the "medical condition" excuse to raised their eyebrows and smiled a bit, obviously not believing me. One said she has that same condition when she drinks too, and the other smirked that alcoholism is certainly a medical condition. I smoothed things over to the best of my ability, gave them each extra discounts, apologized profusely, and let my boss know, again, that I'm very uncomfortable working with Sarah. That the corporate policy is ridiculous, this is a right to work state, etc. When I got home from work I told my fiance about my night and he became livid. He is a police officer, and says that if Sarah knocked something over on a client or hurt them that the client could sue me in civil court for allowing an intoxicated person to work, and that they could sue my company criminally. I'm very concerned. What can I do? My store manager wants her gone as much as I do, but firing people has to be approved through HR and their policy is that repeated rule-breaking must occur, that the associate must commit the same offense three shifts in a row, etc. I'm tired of working with the drunk girl who not only makes clients feel uncomfortable, who embarrasses the heck out of me and our brand. Thanks.
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d0y81fh
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Don't test unknown substances by smell or taste. Could prove dangerous.
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Do you have the authority to write her up/send her home if she shows up to work intoxicated? If you have to document stuff to HR in order to fire, start doing that immediately. For every single violation she commits. Also talk to your manager about reducing her hours if that's an option.
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4a8id6
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(Tennessee) I am a mid-level manager at a very popular retail clothing store. An associate of mine gets drunk on Robitussin while at work and my boss says there's nothing I can do. I'm afraid of working with her because, if she harms a client, I could be sued for letting a drunk person work. Help? Hey there. I'm a sales lead at a women's clothing store. The hierarchy is an associate, then me, then my store manager, then our district manager. I am a key holder and have all the legal responsibility of a store manager, but I do not hire/fire/make schedules. On our shifts, there is typically only one key holding manager present, and there are 4 total in the store. On busy days we will have two managers on in the middle of the day, so there's a little overlap. Our management team consists of a store manager, and three sales leads. One of the leads only works 2 nights per week, so she isn't as familiar with this situation as my store manager and one other sales lead is. I'll call my store manager Ronda, the other sales lead Jess. The associate it question, Sarah, has always been a problem. She's too attentive to clients, she calls them baby/my love (which is certainly not appropriate), she dresses poorly, she has little confidence and multiple clients have expressed concerns about her being like a "puppy desperate for affection". A few months ago Sarah began acting even more oddly. She goes to the bathroom 2-5 times per hour, always bringing her purse, always saying its lady-time (but never carrying feminine hygiene products with her, we do bag check before leaving work so we all see the contents of each others purses). We constantly have to tell her to stop going to the bathroom multiple times per hour unless she bring in a doctors note, but we are not allowed by HR to write her up for it. She goes to the bathroom to smoke an e cig, and (I've recently discovered) to drink Robitussin. A particular Saturday a few weeks ago she started acting very strangely again, mumbling, forgetting that she'd spoken to people, calling Jess a different name even though Jess and Sarah have both worked for our company since before Christmas, etc. She drops things, can't find where clothes go, and almost always ends up crying about something. I went to the back while she was back there, and she was swinging a powerade, but the color was brownish. I told her I loved powerade and asked the flavor, and she told me it was just the regular red kind, then she spazed out, and literally ran to the front. Ran. Odd. So when she left, I opened the bottle and smelled it. It smelled super off, so I put my finger on the rim and tasted the liquid, it's cough syrup and fruit juice. I immediately called Jess to the back, she smelled it too, and agreed. We called our store manager to let her know so we could send Sarah home. Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle. I honestly did not know that, or else I would not have, it was definitely my bad. My store manager told our DM what I discovered, no one is mad at me and I'm not being disciplined, but there's also nothing anyone can do. Our policy is to basically offer help, but we cannot ask of she is drinking cough syrup to get drunk at work. We cannot even write her up, much less fire her for acting drunk at work. Last night I was closing alone with Sarah and she became incredibly intoxicated. I had multiple clients ask me if she was drunk. I was mortified, apologized, and said she has a medical condition. Both clients I expressed the "medical condition" excuse to raised their eyebrows and smiled a bit, obviously not believing me. One said she has that same condition when she drinks too, and the other smirked that alcoholism is certainly a medical condition. I smoothed things over to the best of my ability, gave them each extra discounts, apologized profusely, and let my boss know, again, that I'm very uncomfortable working with Sarah. That the corporate policy is ridiculous, this is a right to work state, etc. When I got home from work I told my fiance about my night and he became livid. He is a police officer, and says that if Sarah knocked something over on a client or hurt them that the client could sue me in civil court for allowing an intoxicated person to work, and that they could sue my company criminally. I'm very concerned. What can I do? My store manager wants her gone as much as I do, but firing people has to be approved through HR and their policy is that repeated rule-breaking must occur, that the associate must commit the same offense three shifts in a row, etc. I'm tired of working with the drunk girl who not only makes clients feel uncomfortable, who embarrasses the heck out of me and our brand. Thanks.
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d0y9ujy
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Do you have the authority to write her up/send her home if she shows up to work intoxicated? If you have to document stuff to HR in order to fire, start doing that immediately. For every single violation she commits. Also talk to your manager about reducing her hours if that's an option.
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So the weird colored bottle full of cough syrup and fruit juice could be some pretty serious drugs, just saying. Im not saying it is, but cough syrup/frequent trips to the bathroom always sets off that alarm in my head. Be careful about taste testing shit you don't know about, especially if its a known substance abusers stuff. This is more practical advice than legal advice, but for me your options are: Call the police on her for drunk/disorderly conduct. Not the best choice though. Quit. Or my own personal dirty trick (but not illegal). Find your company website and corporate website and mall web site (if applicable) and find the customer service satisfaction survey or employee rating questionairre or complaint section or anything of that ilk. Fill it out about your drunk coworker. You've already alerted your superiors that she's a danger and an embarrasment, but it sounds like corporate is just ignoring them. A lot of these online surveys actually go direct to corporate though, and they care because its literally the customers writing about what they want. If they start getting a bunch of complaints about a drunk/high employee, they will pull her out so fast and hard she might never get a retail job again. Its not fraud because you mever claim to be a customer and you arent lying. The online complaint system has a huge potential for abuse that mobody hs seemed to catch on to yet, sometimes its a good tool of the working class. I used to go on the Applebees website when I worked there and write glowng reviews about how one of the servers was good with dogs, and literally an hour later the manager would come out and say "were there any dogs in the resturaunt earlier?" and be really confused. Its great.
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4a8id6
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(Tennessee) I am a mid-level manager at a very popular retail clothing store. An associate of mine gets drunk on Robitussin while at work and my boss says there's nothing I can do. I'm afraid of working with her because, if she harms a client, I could be sued for letting a drunk person work. Help? Hey there. I'm a sales lead at a women's clothing store. The hierarchy is an associate, then me, then my store manager, then our district manager. I am a key holder and have all the legal responsibility of a store manager, but I do not hire/fire/make schedules. On our shifts, there is typically only one key holding manager present, and there are 4 total in the store. On busy days we will have two managers on in the middle of the day, so there's a little overlap. Our management team consists of a store manager, and three sales leads. One of the leads only works 2 nights per week, so she isn't as familiar with this situation as my store manager and one other sales lead is. I'll call my store manager Ronda, the other sales lead Jess. The associate it question, Sarah, has always been a problem. She's too attentive to clients, she calls them baby/my love (which is certainly not appropriate), she dresses poorly, she has little confidence and multiple clients have expressed concerns about her being like a "puppy desperate for affection". A few months ago Sarah began acting even more oddly. She goes to the bathroom 2-5 times per hour, always bringing her purse, always saying its lady-time (but never carrying feminine hygiene products with her, we do bag check before leaving work so we all see the contents of each others purses). We constantly have to tell her to stop going to the bathroom multiple times per hour unless she bring in a doctors note, but we are not allowed by HR to write her up for it. She goes to the bathroom to smoke an e cig, and (I've recently discovered) to drink Robitussin. A particular Saturday a few weeks ago she started acting very strangely again, mumbling, forgetting that she'd spoken to people, calling Jess a different name even though Jess and Sarah have both worked for our company since before Christmas, etc. She drops things, can't find where clothes go, and almost always ends up crying about something. I went to the back while she was back there, and she was swinging a powerade, but the color was brownish. I told her I loved powerade and asked the flavor, and she told me it was just the regular red kind, then she spazed out, and literally ran to the front. Ran. Odd. So when she left, I opened the bottle and smelled it. It smelled super off, so I put my finger on the rim and tasted the liquid, it's cough syrup and fruit juice. I immediately called Jess to the back, she smelled it too, and agreed. We called our store manager to let her know so we could send Sarah home. Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle. I honestly did not know that, or else I would not have, it was definitely my bad. My store manager told our DM what I discovered, no one is mad at me and I'm not being disciplined, but there's also nothing anyone can do. Our policy is to basically offer help, but we cannot ask of she is drinking cough syrup to get drunk at work. We cannot even write her up, much less fire her for acting drunk at work. Last night I was closing alone with Sarah and she became incredibly intoxicated. I had multiple clients ask me if she was drunk. I was mortified, apologized, and said she has a medical condition. Both clients I expressed the "medical condition" excuse to raised their eyebrows and smiled a bit, obviously not believing me. One said she has that same condition when she drinks too, and the other smirked that alcoholism is certainly a medical condition. I smoothed things over to the best of my ability, gave them each extra discounts, apologized profusely, and let my boss know, again, that I'm very uncomfortable working with Sarah. That the corporate policy is ridiculous, this is a right to work state, etc. When I got home from work I told my fiance about my night and he became livid. He is a police officer, and says that if Sarah knocked something over on a client or hurt them that the client could sue me in civil court for allowing an intoxicated person to work, and that they could sue my company criminally. I'm very concerned. What can I do? My store manager wants her gone as much as I do, but firing people has to be approved through HR and their policy is that repeated rule-breaking must occur, that the associate must commit the same offense three shifts in a row, etc. I'm tired of working with the drunk girl who not only makes clients feel uncomfortable, who embarrasses the heck out of me and our brand. Thanks.
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d0yarjj
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> Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle I suppose she could sue you for trespass to chattels, but on these facts, even if she wins, she's only going to get nominal damages. I don't know why you think it's a crime.
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I am not a lawyer, but I have experience abusing Robitussin or dextromethorphan (DXM) and I can tell you that no one gets "drunk" robo-tripping. It's not the alcohol, and there probably isn't any in it anyway. It's the DXM - which is a dissociative anesthetic and in higher doses feels like being drunk (sort of). It's kind of odd in that the high sort of turns off like a switch. It doesn't wear off slowly like alcohol. You're all buzzed for about an hour, then "normal." I believe that it's illegal to use any over-the-counter medication other than as indicated. Not sure of the penalties, but I've heard anecdotally that it's akin to any other illegal drug. I would think that this would fall under any drug abuse in the workplace policy.
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(Tennessee) I am a mid-level manager at a very popular retail clothing store. An associate of mine gets drunk on Robitussin while at work and my boss says there's nothing I can do. I'm afraid of working with her because, if she harms a client, I could be sued for letting a drunk person work. Help? Hey there. I'm a sales lead at a women's clothing store. The hierarchy is an associate, then me, then my store manager, then our district manager. I am a key holder and have all the legal responsibility of a store manager, but I do not hire/fire/make schedules. On our shifts, there is typically only one key holding manager present, and there are 4 total in the store. On busy days we will have two managers on in the middle of the day, so there's a little overlap. Our management team consists of a store manager, and three sales leads. One of the leads only works 2 nights per week, so she isn't as familiar with this situation as my store manager and one other sales lead is. I'll call my store manager Ronda, the other sales lead Jess. The associate it question, Sarah, has always been a problem. She's too attentive to clients, she calls them baby/my love (which is certainly not appropriate), she dresses poorly, she has little confidence and multiple clients have expressed concerns about her being like a "puppy desperate for affection". A few months ago Sarah began acting even more oddly. She goes to the bathroom 2-5 times per hour, always bringing her purse, always saying its lady-time (but never carrying feminine hygiene products with her, we do bag check before leaving work so we all see the contents of each others purses). We constantly have to tell her to stop going to the bathroom multiple times per hour unless she bring in a doctors note, but we are not allowed by HR to write her up for it. She goes to the bathroom to smoke an e cig, and (I've recently discovered) to drink Robitussin. A particular Saturday a few weeks ago she started acting very strangely again, mumbling, forgetting that she'd spoken to people, calling Jess a different name even though Jess and Sarah have both worked for our company since before Christmas, etc. She drops things, can't find where clothes go, and almost always ends up crying about something. I went to the back while she was back there, and she was swinging a powerade, but the color was brownish. I told her I loved powerade and asked the flavor, and she told me it was just the regular red kind, then she spazed out, and literally ran to the front. Ran. Odd. So when she left, I opened the bottle and smelled it. It smelled super off, so I put my finger on the rim and tasted the liquid, it's cough syrup and fruit juice. I immediately called Jess to the back, she smelled it too, and agreed. We called our store manager to let her know so we could send Sarah home. Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle. I honestly did not know that, or else I would not have, it was definitely my bad. My store manager told our DM what I discovered, no one is mad at me and I'm not being disciplined, but there's also nothing anyone can do. Our policy is to basically offer help, but we cannot ask of she is drinking cough syrup to get drunk at work. We cannot even write her up, much less fire her for acting drunk at work. Last night I was closing alone with Sarah and she became incredibly intoxicated. I had multiple clients ask me if she was drunk. I was mortified, apologized, and said she has a medical condition. Both clients I expressed the "medical condition" excuse to raised their eyebrows and smiled a bit, obviously not believing me. One said she has that same condition when she drinks too, and the other smirked that alcoholism is certainly a medical condition. I smoothed things over to the best of my ability, gave them each extra discounts, apologized profusely, and let my boss know, again, that I'm very uncomfortable working with Sarah. That the corporate policy is ridiculous, this is a right to work state, etc. When I got home from work I told my fiance about my night and he became livid. He is a police officer, and says that if Sarah knocked something over on a client or hurt them that the client could sue me in civil court for allowing an intoxicated person to work, and that they could sue my company criminally. I'm very concerned. What can I do? My store manager wants her gone as much as I do, but firing people has to be approved through HR and their policy is that repeated rule-breaking must occur, that the associate must commit the same offense three shifts in a row, etc. I'm tired of working with the drunk girl who not only makes clients feel uncomfortable, who embarrasses the heck out of me and our brand. Thanks.
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d0yegsi
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d0ya8yu
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Why isn't this simply a performance issue? You've had consistent customer complaints. Those can and should be documented. As a manager, don't you have a employee review process? Or, at the very least, a drug free workplace policy?
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> Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle I suppose she could sue you for trespass to chattels, but on these facts, even if she wins, she's only going to get nominal damages. I don't know why you think it's a crime.
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4a8id6
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legaladvice_train
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(Tennessee) I am a mid-level manager at a very popular retail clothing store. An associate of mine gets drunk on Robitussin while at work and my boss says there's nothing I can do. I'm afraid of working with her because, if she harms a client, I could be sued for letting a drunk person work. Help? Hey there. I'm a sales lead at a women's clothing store. The hierarchy is an associate, then me, then my store manager, then our district manager. I am a key holder and have all the legal responsibility of a store manager, but I do not hire/fire/make schedules. On our shifts, there is typically only one key holding manager present, and there are 4 total in the store. On busy days we will have two managers on in the middle of the day, so there's a little overlap. Our management team consists of a store manager, and three sales leads. One of the leads only works 2 nights per week, so she isn't as familiar with this situation as my store manager and one other sales lead is. I'll call my store manager Ronda, the other sales lead Jess. The associate it question, Sarah, has always been a problem. She's too attentive to clients, she calls them baby/my love (which is certainly not appropriate), she dresses poorly, she has little confidence and multiple clients have expressed concerns about her being like a "puppy desperate for affection". A few months ago Sarah began acting even more oddly. She goes to the bathroom 2-5 times per hour, always bringing her purse, always saying its lady-time (but never carrying feminine hygiene products with her, we do bag check before leaving work so we all see the contents of each others purses). We constantly have to tell her to stop going to the bathroom multiple times per hour unless she bring in a doctors note, but we are not allowed by HR to write her up for it. She goes to the bathroom to smoke an e cig, and (I've recently discovered) to drink Robitussin. A particular Saturday a few weeks ago she started acting very strangely again, mumbling, forgetting that she'd spoken to people, calling Jess a different name even though Jess and Sarah have both worked for our company since before Christmas, etc. She drops things, can't find where clothes go, and almost always ends up crying about something. I went to the back while she was back there, and she was swinging a powerade, but the color was brownish. I told her I loved powerade and asked the flavor, and she told me it was just the regular red kind, then she spazed out, and literally ran to the front. Ran. Odd. So when she left, I opened the bottle and smelled it. It smelled super off, so I put my finger on the rim and tasted the liquid, it's cough syrup and fruit juice. I immediately called Jess to the back, she smelled it too, and agreed. We called our store manager to let her know so we could send Sarah home. Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle. I honestly did not know that, or else I would not have, it was definitely my bad. My store manager told our DM what I discovered, no one is mad at me and I'm not being disciplined, but there's also nothing anyone can do. Our policy is to basically offer help, but we cannot ask of she is drinking cough syrup to get drunk at work. We cannot even write her up, much less fire her for acting drunk at work. Last night I was closing alone with Sarah and she became incredibly intoxicated. I had multiple clients ask me if she was drunk. I was mortified, apologized, and said she has a medical condition. Both clients I expressed the "medical condition" excuse to raised their eyebrows and smiled a bit, obviously not believing me. One said she has that same condition when she drinks too, and the other smirked that alcoholism is certainly a medical condition. I smoothed things over to the best of my ability, gave them each extra discounts, apologized profusely, and let my boss know, again, that I'm very uncomfortable working with Sarah. That the corporate policy is ridiculous, this is a right to work state, etc. When I got home from work I told my fiance about my night and he became livid. He is a police officer, and says that if Sarah knocked something over on a client or hurt them that the client could sue me in civil court for allowing an intoxicated person to work, and that they could sue my company criminally. I'm very concerned. What can I do? My store manager wants her gone as much as I do, but firing people has to be approved through HR and their policy is that repeated rule-breaking must occur, that the associate must commit the same offense three shifts in a row, etc. I'm tired of working with the drunk girl who not only makes clients feel uncomfortable, who embarrasses the heck out of me and our brand. Thanks.
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d0yg4qt
| 1,457,902,175 | 1,457,894,896 | 8 | 6 |
As others have pointed out, as long as you are acting in good faith working for your employer, you are not liable for issues that come up from another employee. You didn't mention where you took the bottle from. If you went into her purse to get it, you may have broken the law, but if it were left on a counter, then you are probably in the clear. Even with a bag search policy, it's not acceptable to search bags at random times without informing the employee of the search. I think one of the reasons why you are getting backlash over your complaints, is because you are presenting assumptions instead of facts. Instead of saying "she seemed drunk", which is an assumption, list what she actually did, such as "she stumbled around", or "she knocked over a rack onto a customer". HR is going to be cautious of acting an someone's assumptions, but a long list of facts might sway them. This woman could also have some ties to the higher ups that you aren't aware of. It could be to your benefit that you not make it your mission to get her fired, as a higher up might instead want to get rid of you. I'm also wondering how she gets home after being heavily intoxicated at work.
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Does your work have an ethics hotline? Report her there.
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4a8id6
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(Tennessee) I am a mid-level manager at a very popular retail clothing store. An associate of mine gets drunk on Robitussin while at work and my boss says there's nothing I can do. I'm afraid of working with her because, if she harms a client, I could be sued for letting a drunk person work. Help? Hey there. I'm a sales lead at a women's clothing store. The hierarchy is an associate, then me, then my store manager, then our district manager. I am a key holder and have all the legal responsibility of a store manager, but I do not hire/fire/make schedules. On our shifts, there is typically only one key holding manager present, and there are 4 total in the store. On busy days we will have two managers on in the middle of the day, so there's a little overlap. Our management team consists of a store manager, and three sales leads. One of the leads only works 2 nights per week, so she isn't as familiar with this situation as my store manager and one other sales lead is. I'll call my store manager Ronda, the other sales lead Jess. The associate it question, Sarah, has always been a problem. She's too attentive to clients, she calls them baby/my love (which is certainly not appropriate), she dresses poorly, she has little confidence and multiple clients have expressed concerns about her being like a "puppy desperate for affection". A few months ago Sarah began acting even more oddly. She goes to the bathroom 2-5 times per hour, always bringing her purse, always saying its lady-time (but never carrying feminine hygiene products with her, we do bag check before leaving work so we all see the contents of each others purses). We constantly have to tell her to stop going to the bathroom multiple times per hour unless she bring in a doctors note, but we are not allowed by HR to write her up for it. She goes to the bathroom to smoke an e cig, and (I've recently discovered) to drink Robitussin. A particular Saturday a few weeks ago she started acting very strangely again, mumbling, forgetting that she'd spoken to people, calling Jess a different name even though Jess and Sarah have both worked for our company since before Christmas, etc. She drops things, can't find where clothes go, and almost always ends up crying about something. I went to the back while she was back there, and she was swinging a powerade, but the color was brownish. I told her I loved powerade and asked the flavor, and she told me it was just the regular red kind, then she spazed out, and literally ran to the front. Ran. Odd. So when she left, I opened the bottle and smelled it. It smelled super off, so I put my finger on the rim and tasted the liquid, it's cough syrup and fruit juice. I immediately called Jess to the back, she smelled it too, and agreed. We called our store manager to let her know so we could send Sarah home. Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle. I honestly did not know that, or else I would not have, it was definitely my bad. My store manager told our DM what I discovered, no one is mad at me and I'm not being disciplined, but there's also nothing anyone can do. Our policy is to basically offer help, but we cannot ask of she is drinking cough syrup to get drunk at work. We cannot even write her up, much less fire her for acting drunk at work. Last night I was closing alone with Sarah and she became incredibly intoxicated. I had multiple clients ask me if she was drunk. I was mortified, apologized, and said she has a medical condition. Both clients I expressed the "medical condition" excuse to raised their eyebrows and smiled a bit, obviously not believing me. One said she has that same condition when she drinks too, and the other smirked that alcoholism is certainly a medical condition. I smoothed things over to the best of my ability, gave them each extra discounts, apologized profusely, and let my boss know, again, that I'm very uncomfortable working with Sarah. That the corporate policy is ridiculous, this is a right to work state, etc. When I got home from work I told my fiance about my night and he became livid. He is a police officer, and says that if Sarah knocked something over on a client or hurt them that the client could sue me in civil court for allowing an intoxicated person to work, and that they could sue my company criminally. I'm very concerned. What can I do? My store manager wants her gone as much as I do, but firing people has to be approved through HR and their policy is that repeated rule-breaking must occur, that the associate must commit the same offense three shifts in a row, etc. I'm tired of working with the drunk girl who not only makes clients feel uncomfortable, who embarrasses the heck out of me and our brand. Thanks.
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d0ykgij
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d0ya8yu
| 1,457,902,175 | 1,457,884,600 | 8 | 2 |
As others have pointed out, as long as you are acting in good faith working for your employer, you are not liable for issues that come up from another employee. You didn't mention where you took the bottle from. If you went into her purse to get it, you may have broken the law, but if it were left on a counter, then you are probably in the clear. Even with a bag search policy, it's not acceptable to search bags at random times without informing the employee of the search. I think one of the reasons why you are getting backlash over your complaints, is because you are presenting assumptions instead of facts. Instead of saying "she seemed drunk", which is an assumption, list what she actually did, such as "she stumbled around", or "she knocked over a rack onto a customer". HR is going to be cautious of acting an someone's assumptions, but a long list of facts might sway them. This woman could also have some ties to the higher ups that you aren't aware of. It could be to your benefit that you not make it your mission to get her fired, as a higher up might instead want to get rid of you. I'm also wondering how she gets home after being heavily intoxicated at work.
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> Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle I suppose she could sue you for trespass to chattels, but on these facts, even if she wins, she's only going to get nominal damages. I don't know why you think it's a crime.
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(Tennessee) I am a mid-level manager at a very popular retail clothing store. An associate of mine gets drunk on Robitussin while at work and my boss says there's nothing I can do. I'm afraid of working with her because, if she harms a client, I could be sued for letting a drunk person work. Help? Hey there. I'm a sales lead at a women's clothing store. The hierarchy is an associate, then me, then my store manager, then our district manager. I am a key holder and have all the legal responsibility of a store manager, but I do not hire/fire/make schedules. On our shifts, there is typically only one key holding manager present, and there are 4 total in the store. On busy days we will have two managers on in the middle of the day, so there's a little overlap. Our management team consists of a store manager, and three sales leads. One of the leads only works 2 nights per week, so she isn't as familiar with this situation as my store manager and one other sales lead is. I'll call my store manager Ronda, the other sales lead Jess. The associate it question, Sarah, has always been a problem. She's too attentive to clients, she calls them baby/my love (which is certainly not appropriate), she dresses poorly, she has little confidence and multiple clients have expressed concerns about her being like a "puppy desperate for affection". A few months ago Sarah began acting even more oddly. She goes to the bathroom 2-5 times per hour, always bringing her purse, always saying its lady-time (but never carrying feminine hygiene products with her, we do bag check before leaving work so we all see the contents of each others purses). We constantly have to tell her to stop going to the bathroom multiple times per hour unless she bring in a doctors note, but we are not allowed by HR to write her up for it. She goes to the bathroom to smoke an e cig, and (I've recently discovered) to drink Robitussin. A particular Saturday a few weeks ago she started acting very strangely again, mumbling, forgetting that she'd spoken to people, calling Jess a different name even though Jess and Sarah have both worked for our company since before Christmas, etc. She drops things, can't find where clothes go, and almost always ends up crying about something. I went to the back while she was back there, and she was swinging a powerade, but the color was brownish. I told her I loved powerade and asked the flavor, and she told me it was just the regular red kind, then she spazed out, and literally ran to the front. Ran. Odd. So when she left, I opened the bottle and smelled it. It smelled super off, so I put my finger on the rim and tasted the liquid, it's cough syrup and fruit juice. I immediately called Jess to the back, she smelled it too, and agreed. We called our store manager to let her know so we could send Sarah home. Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle. I honestly did not know that, or else I would not have, it was definitely my bad. My store manager told our DM what I discovered, no one is mad at me and I'm not being disciplined, but there's also nothing anyone can do. Our policy is to basically offer help, but we cannot ask of she is drinking cough syrup to get drunk at work. We cannot even write her up, much less fire her for acting drunk at work. Last night I was closing alone with Sarah and she became incredibly intoxicated. I had multiple clients ask me if she was drunk. I was mortified, apologized, and said she has a medical condition. Both clients I expressed the "medical condition" excuse to raised their eyebrows and smiled a bit, obviously not believing me. One said she has that same condition when she drinks too, and the other smirked that alcoholism is certainly a medical condition. I smoothed things over to the best of my ability, gave them each extra discounts, apologized profusely, and let my boss know, again, that I'm very uncomfortable working with Sarah. That the corporate policy is ridiculous, this is a right to work state, etc. When I got home from work I told my fiance about my night and he became livid. He is a police officer, and says that if Sarah knocked something over on a client or hurt them that the client could sue me in civil court for allowing an intoxicated person to work, and that they could sue my company criminally. I'm very concerned. What can I do? My store manager wants her gone as much as I do, but firing people has to be approved through HR and their policy is that repeated rule-breaking must occur, that the associate must commit the same offense three shifts in a row, etc. I'm tired of working with the drunk girl who not only makes clients feel uncomfortable, who embarrasses the heck out of me and our brand. Thanks.
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d0ya8yu
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d0yg4qt
| 1,457,884,600 | 1,457,894,896 | 2 | 6 |
> Alas, what I did is a crime, and Sarah could sue me for smelling/tasting her bottle I suppose she could sue you for trespass to chattels, but on these facts, even if she wins, she's only going to get nominal damages. I don't know why you think it's a crime.
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Does your work have an ethics hotline? Report her there.
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xtnx2n
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Can I deny visitation if my daughter's father consistently can't make it to meeting spot? I'm not trying to keep my 11 year old away from her dad but it keeps turning into a hassle every time he is supposed to have her. We live 1.5 hours apart and we always meet in the middle every other weekend. For the last few months he has been having car troubles and 8 out of 10 times his car isn't working. I've been driving her the full distance to his house or driving all the way down there to pick her up when his car decides it doesn't want to run. I'm tired. I have another child at home who's 3 and I'm almost 20 weeks pregnant. It's just a lot of driving. I've asked if he can borrow someone else's car but he said no. He does give me money for gas but I'd rather not drive. We have a cort order saying he gets her every other weekend. What do I do? Am I stuck doing all the driving or can I say no until he gets things sorted out?
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iqr4hh9
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If the court order specified a drop off location, you drive to that drop off location. If he fails to appear, you go home. You did your due diligence and did not deny visitation, he failed to appear. Document everything. If there is no drop off location file a modification of the court order to include these details.
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I'll say the uncomfortable thing: if the custody order is silent on transitions and you moved an hour and a half away without getting a revised order and are now using the distance as a reason to not give him custody at ordered times, the Judge may not like that.
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xtnx2n
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legaladvice_train
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Can I deny visitation if my daughter's father consistently can't make it to meeting spot? I'm not trying to keep my 11 year old away from her dad but it keeps turning into a hassle every time he is supposed to have her. We live 1.5 hours apart and we always meet in the middle every other weekend. For the last few months he has been having car troubles and 8 out of 10 times his car isn't working. I've been driving her the full distance to his house or driving all the way down there to pick her up when his car decides it doesn't want to run. I'm tired. I have another child at home who's 3 and I'm almost 20 weeks pregnant. It's just a lot of driving. I've asked if he can borrow someone else's car but he said no. He does give me money for gas but I'd rather not drive. We have a cort order saying he gets her every other weekend. What do I do? Am I stuck doing all the driving or can I say no until he gets things sorted out?
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iqr3clb
| 1,664,720,819 | 1,664,720,337 | 546 | 23 |
I'll say the uncomfortable thing: if the custody order is silent on transitions and you moved an hour and a half away without getting a revised order and are now using the distance as a reason to not give him custody at ordered times, the Judge may not like that.
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If the order says you meet x distance that's all you are required to do. If he is unable or unwilling to meet you are under no obligation to drive kiddo any further and cannot be penalized in any way for not doing it. The onus is on him to make it to the x distance meeting spot for his visitation if he wants it.
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xtnx2n
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Can I deny visitation if my daughter's father consistently can't make it to meeting spot? I'm not trying to keep my 11 year old away from her dad but it keeps turning into a hassle every time he is supposed to have her. We live 1.5 hours apart and we always meet in the middle every other weekend. For the last few months he has been having car troubles and 8 out of 10 times his car isn't working. I've been driving her the full distance to his house or driving all the way down there to pick her up when his car decides it doesn't want to run. I'm tired. I have another child at home who's 3 and I'm almost 20 weeks pregnant. It's just a lot of driving. I've asked if he can borrow someone else's car but he said no. He does give me money for gas but I'd rather not drive. We have a cort order saying he gets her every other weekend. What do I do? Am I stuck doing all the driving or can I say no until he gets things sorted out?
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iqrt846
| 1,664,718,368 | 1,664,730,655 | 161 | 259 |
If the court order specified a drop off location, you drive to that drop off location. If he fails to appear, you go home. You did your due diligence and did not deny visitation, he failed to appear. Document everything. If there is no drop off location file a modification of the court order to include these details.
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xtnx2n
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legaladvice_train
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Can I deny visitation if my daughter's father consistently can't make it to meeting spot? I'm not trying to keep my 11 year old away from her dad but it keeps turning into a hassle every time he is supposed to have her. We live 1.5 hours apart and we always meet in the middle every other weekend. For the last few months he has been having car troubles and 8 out of 10 times his car isn't working. I've been driving her the full distance to his house or driving all the way down there to pick her up when his car decides it doesn't want to run. I'm tired. I have another child at home who's 3 and I'm almost 20 weeks pregnant. It's just a lot of driving. I've asked if he can borrow someone else's car but he said no. He does give me money for gas but I'd rather not drive. We have a cort order saying he gets her every other weekend. What do I do? Am I stuck doing all the driving or can I say no until he gets things sorted out?
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iqr3clb
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If the order says you meet x distance that's all you are required to do. If he is unable or unwilling to meet you are under no obligation to drive kiddo any further and cannot be penalized in any way for not doing it. The onus is on him to make it to the x distance meeting spot for his visitation if he wants it.
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xtnx2n
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legaladvice_train
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Can I deny visitation if my daughter's father consistently can't make it to meeting spot? I'm not trying to keep my 11 year old away from her dad but it keeps turning into a hassle every time he is supposed to have her. We live 1.5 hours apart and we always meet in the middle every other weekend. For the last few months he has been having car troubles and 8 out of 10 times his car isn't working. I've been driving her the full distance to his house or driving all the way down there to pick her up when his car decides it doesn't want to run. I'm tired. I have another child at home who's 3 and I'm almost 20 weeks pregnant. It's just a lot of driving. I've asked if he can borrow someone else's car but he said no. He does give me money for gas but I'd rather not drive. We have a cort order saying he gets her every other weekend. What do I do? Am I stuck doing all the driving or can I say no until he gets things sorted out?
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iqrt846
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Go back to court & revised. Transition transportation
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xtnx2n
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legaladvice_train
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Can I deny visitation if my daughter's father consistently can't make it to meeting spot? I'm not trying to keep my 11 year old away from her dad but it keeps turning into a hassle every time he is supposed to have her. We live 1.5 hours apart and we always meet in the middle every other weekend. For the last few months he has been having car troubles and 8 out of 10 times his car isn't working. I've been driving her the full distance to his house or driving all the way down there to pick her up when his car decides it doesn't want to run. I'm tired. I have another child at home who's 3 and I'm almost 20 weeks pregnant. It's just a lot of driving. I've asked if he can borrow someone else's car but he said no. He does give me money for gas but I'd rather not drive. We have a cort order saying he gets her every other weekend. What do I do? Am I stuck doing all the driving or can I say no until he gets things sorted out?
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iqs25hs
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If the order says you meet x distance that's all you are required to do. If he is unable or unwilling to meet you are under no obligation to drive kiddo any further and cannot be penalized in any way for not doing it. The onus is on him to make it to the x distance meeting spot for his visitation if he wants it.
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Consult an attorney. This isn't a discussion for people who have never been in your local court system. Custody cases are so fact specific. You mention in a comment you're the one that moved away. Higher chance you have the burden of transportation. It is never crystal clear. Consult an attorney.
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xtnx2n
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legaladvice_train
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Can I deny visitation if my daughter's father consistently can't make it to meeting spot? I'm not trying to keep my 11 year old away from her dad but it keeps turning into a hassle every time he is supposed to have her. We live 1.5 hours apart and we always meet in the middle every other weekend. For the last few months he has been having car troubles and 8 out of 10 times his car isn't working. I've been driving her the full distance to his house or driving all the way down there to pick her up when his car decides it doesn't want to run. I'm tired. I have another child at home who's 3 and I'm almost 20 weeks pregnant. It's just a lot of driving. I've asked if he can borrow someone else's car but he said no. He does give me money for gas but I'd rather not drive. We have a cort order saying he gets her every other weekend. What do I do? Am I stuck doing all the driving or can I say no until he gets things sorted out?
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iqrdnuc
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Consult an attorney. This isn't a discussion for people who have never been in your local court system. Custody cases are so fact specific. You mention in a comment you're the one that moved away. Higher chance you have the burden of transportation. It is never crystal clear. Consult an attorney.
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Go back to court & revised. Transition transportation
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xtnx2n
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Can I deny visitation if my daughter's father consistently can't make it to meeting spot? I'm not trying to keep my 11 year old away from her dad but it keeps turning into a hassle every time he is supposed to have her. We live 1.5 hours apart and we always meet in the middle every other weekend. For the last few months he has been having car troubles and 8 out of 10 times his car isn't working. I've been driving her the full distance to his house or driving all the way down there to pick her up when his car decides it doesn't want to run. I'm tired. I have another child at home who's 3 and I'm almost 20 weeks pregnant. It's just a lot of driving. I've asked if he can borrow someone else's car but he said no. He does give me money for gas but I'd rather not drive. We have a cort order saying he gets her every other weekend. What do I do? Am I stuck doing all the driving or can I say no until he gets things sorted out?
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If the order says you meet x distance that's all you are required to do. If he is unable or unwilling to meet you are under no obligation to drive kiddo any further and cannot be penalized in any way for not doing it. The onus is on him to make it to the x distance meeting spot for his visitation if he wants it.
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Ask your legal counsel. You moved away without revising the court order (might not be a good way to justify that to the court and don't use that as an excuse for your kid not to see the other parent). If your court order says specific time, day and location you should follow what was agreed. Try to make sure "the best interest of the child"
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Can I deny visitation if my daughter's father consistently can't make it to meeting spot? I'm not trying to keep my 11 year old away from her dad but it keeps turning into a hassle every time he is supposed to have her. We live 1.5 hours apart and we always meet in the middle every other weekend. For the last few months he has been having car troubles and 8 out of 10 times his car isn't working. I've been driving her the full distance to his house or driving all the way down there to pick her up when his car decides it doesn't want to run. I'm tired. I have another child at home who's 3 and I'm almost 20 weeks pregnant. It's just a lot of driving. I've asked if he can borrow someone else's car but he said no. He does give me money for gas but I'd rather not drive. We have a cort order saying he gets her every other weekend. What do I do? Am I stuck doing all the driving or can I say no until he gets things sorted out?
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Go back to court & revised. Transition transportation
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Ask your legal counsel. You moved away without revising the court order (might not be a good way to justify that to the court and don't use that as an excuse for your kid not to see the other parent). If your court order says specific time, day and location you should follow what was agreed. Try to make sure "the best interest of the child"
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Can I deny visitation if my daughter's father consistently can't make it to meeting spot? I'm not trying to keep my 11 year old away from her dad but it keeps turning into a hassle every time he is supposed to have her. We live 1.5 hours apart and we always meet in the middle every other weekend. For the last few months he has been having car troubles and 8 out of 10 times his car isn't working. I've been driving her the full distance to his house or driving all the way down there to pick her up when his car decides it doesn't want to run. I'm tired. I have another child at home who's 3 and I'm almost 20 weeks pregnant. It's just a lot of driving. I've asked if he can borrow someone else's car but he said no. He does give me money for gas but I'd rather not drive. We have a cort order saying he gets her every other weekend. What do I do? Am I stuck doing all the driving or can I say no until he gets things sorted out?
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Go back to court & revised. Transition transportation
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Was the mediated order agreed before or after you relocated 1.5 hours away? If there's no agreement specified re travel, the most reasonable thing to do if he's got car trouble and you won't be reasonable given thy YOU MOVED Away with his child, would be to find a suitable midway point that's easily accessible by reasonable public transport in a timely manner. However, I don't think that his contact time with his child should be negatively impacted due to your choices, when if you lived locally, he'd easily be able to get 10 minutes away even with the current car issues. 0
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Identity thieves stole $15,000 from my checking account and Chase Bank is refusing to reimburse me, what can I do? I am based in Chicago, IL, USA. TLDR: In short, my identity was stolen. Chase recognizes that my accounts were compromised and has denied or reversed all charges on my credit cards. But, they are refusing to reverse the debit card transactions, simply because they were done with chip and PIN. Chase representatives have said that I must pursue the matter "outside the bank" because there is nothing else they can do through the claims department. Full story: Last week, I was the victim of an elaborate and sophisticated identity theft scheme that resulted in slightly over $15,000 being stolen from my checking account. From what I can tell, this is how they executed it: 1. Chase sent me a new debit card to replace my existing card, which was scheduled to expire. (I rarely use the card, didn't know it was expiring, and received no notification from the bank that a new card was sent.) I never received this card, so it was apparently stolen out of the mail. 2. Someone walked into a T-mobile store with a fake ID with my name on it. (I believe they acquired this information and determined I had a T-mobile account via a T-mobile data leak from last year.) This person purchased a cheap Motorola phone (cash) and associated its new SIM with my account. The person was unable to provide my account PIN or answer my security question, but the store manager overrode the authorization anyway and allowed the change to occur because of the fake ID. 3. After this, the Motorola phone was used to access my online banking account. I believe they were able to do this because they then had a device associated with my phone number and could use it for 2-factor authentication. Once they had access to my mobile banking account, they were able to update my password and PIN to lock me out. Two other unusual iPhones also accessed the account shortly thereafter and apparently set my Chase credit cards up for use through ApplePay. 4. The person with my stolen debit card was able to activate the card. They walked up the street from T-mobile to Chase Bank and withdrew $4,000 from the ATM. They also upped the daily transaction/purchase limit and visited currency exchanges, apparently purchasing money orders or making transfers worth an additional $11,000. By the time I discovered my account had been compromised, these transactions had already occurred. I've since changed passwords on all of my banking accounts, had my cards reissued, placed locks on my cards, and placed freezes and fraud alerts on my credit report. I opened claims with Chase and they were almost immediately denied because the transactions were done with a physical chip-based card (because they stole it from the mail) and a working PIN (because they hacked my account to change it). I filed a police report describing what happened and faxed it to the claims department. I also went into the branch where the person made the ATM withdrawals. That's where the banker discovered that a new debit card was activated on my account the day of the fraud (I was previously unaware of this). She faxed documentation of this fact to the claims department, along with my statement that I never received the card and that it was activated without my authorization. I confirmed with Chase that they received both the police report and the documentation from the banker and asked them to reassert my claims. They again denied them. They then stated that there was nothing further I could do with the bank, and if I wanted to pursue it further, I would have to do so "outside of the bank." I asked for clarification of what that meant and the rep said "pursuing the police report or taking legal action." I asked if that meant I have to sue them, and I got stonewalled from there. They refused to tell me any more about what information I could submit that would possibly change the decision on my claims. They repeatedly said that they could not provide that information. I stated I would file a lawsuit if I had to. I was placed on hold while the rep talked to "escalations" and when taken off hold, I was told the same thing again that it was denied and there was nothing further I could do. Additional background info: Meanwhile, the Chase fraud department contacted me yesterday asking about unusual attempts to use my credit cards. Multiple transactions totaling thousands of dollars each were all declined, along with some smaller transactions that went through. They immediately reversed the transactions that I didn't make and recognized the other attempts to use the cards as fraud. They would not do the same for transactions using my debit card. I went into the T-mobile store where the manager improperly overrode security authorizations that allowed someone to get a phone under my name. He said that the person came into the store without a mask on and did not look like me. He understands now that this was a person with a fake ID trying to compromise my account. To his credit, he immediately escalated the issue on his end, but I have been unable to get any official documentation from T-mobile stating that this happened, which I was hoping to submit to Chase as evidence. The manager says he is not authorized to provide that because the documentation he has access to is marked "For internal use only." I have also tried to reach the branch manager of the Chase where the transactions occurred in order to get security camera footage, but she is never available and doesn't return my calls. I spoke with someone at the desk of the local Chicago Police Department financial crimes unit. He recommended I have T-mobile and Chase reserve the security footage for CPD to review. (But I have had no luck reaching people who can do so at either company). Additionally, there is a backlog of "hundreds" of cases like this that CPD is dealing with, so I have little reassurance that they will get to me anytime soon. I'm at a loss of what to do next. I think I have to sue Chase, but I have no idea how to do that. Further, it seems like the cost of a lawyer may be enough that it would be a wash even if I do recover my money. What can I do next?
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File a complaint with the CFPB against Chase, and send T-Mobile a 609(e) letter (see the link) to get a copy of the fraudulent driver’s license. You can also file an FCC complaint against T-Mobile, but that won’t help you get your money back. https://www.consumerfinance.gov/complaint https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/businesses-must-provide-victims-law-enforcement-transaction-records-relating-identity-theft
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Try these guys. https://www.consumerfinance.gov/
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Identity thieves stole $15,000 from my checking account and Chase Bank is refusing to reimburse me, what can I do? I am based in Chicago, IL, USA. TLDR: In short, my identity was stolen. Chase recognizes that my accounts were compromised and has denied or reversed all charges on my credit cards. But, they are refusing to reverse the debit card transactions, simply because they were done with chip and PIN. Chase representatives have said that I must pursue the matter "outside the bank" because there is nothing else they can do through the claims department. Full story: Last week, I was the victim of an elaborate and sophisticated identity theft scheme that resulted in slightly over $15,000 being stolen from my checking account. From what I can tell, this is how they executed it: 1. Chase sent me a new debit card to replace my existing card, which was scheduled to expire. (I rarely use the card, didn't know it was expiring, and received no notification from the bank that a new card was sent.) I never received this card, so it was apparently stolen out of the mail. 2. Someone walked into a T-mobile store with a fake ID with my name on it. (I believe they acquired this information and determined I had a T-mobile account via a T-mobile data leak from last year.) This person purchased a cheap Motorola phone (cash) and associated its new SIM with my account. The person was unable to provide my account PIN or answer my security question, but the store manager overrode the authorization anyway and allowed the change to occur because of the fake ID. 3. After this, the Motorola phone was used to access my online banking account. I believe they were able to do this because they then had a device associated with my phone number and could use it for 2-factor authentication. Once they had access to my mobile banking account, they were able to update my password and PIN to lock me out. Two other unusual iPhones also accessed the account shortly thereafter and apparently set my Chase credit cards up for use through ApplePay. 4. The person with my stolen debit card was able to activate the card. They walked up the street from T-mobile to Chase Bank and withdrew $4,000 from the ATM. They also upped the daily transaction/purchase limit and visited currency exchanges, apparently purchasing money orders or making transfers worth an additional $11,000. By the time I discovered my account had been compromised, these transactions had already occurred. I've since changed passwords on all of my banking accounts, had my cards reissued, placed locks on my cards, and placed freezes and fraud alerts on my credit report. I opened claims with Chase and they were almost immediately denied because the transactions were done with a physical chip-based card (because they stole it from the mail) and a working PIN (because they hacked my account to change it). I filed a police report describing what happened and faxed it to the claims department. I also went into the branch where the person made the ATM withdrawals. That's where the banker discovered that a new debit card was activated on my account the day of the fraud (I was previously unaware of this). She faxed documentation of this fact to the claims department, along with my statement that I never received the card and that it was activated without my authorization. I confirmed with Chase that they received both the police report and the documentation from the banker and asked them to reassert my claims. They again denied them. They then stated that there was nothing further I could do with the bank, and if I wanted to pursue it further, I would have to do so "outside of the bank." I asked for clarification of what that meant and the rep said "pursuing the police report or taking legal action." I asked if that meant I have to sue them, and I got stonewalled from there. They refused to tell me any more about what information I could submit that would possibly change the decision on my claims. They repeatedly said that they could not provide that information. I stated I would file a lawsuit if I had to. I was placed on hold while the rep talked to "escalations" and when taken off hold, I was told the same thing again that it was denied and there was nothing further I could do. Additional background info: Meanwhile, the Chase fraud department contacted me yesterday asking about unusual attempts to use my credit cards. Multiple transactions totaling thousands of dollars each were all declined, along with some smaller transactions that went through. They immediately reversed the transactions that I didn't make and recognized the other attempts to use the cards as fraud. They would not do the same for transactions using my debit card. I went into the T-mobile store where the manager improperly overrode security authorizations that allowed someone to get a phone under my name. He said that the person came into the store without a mask on and did not look like me. He understands now that this was a person with a fake ID trying to compromise my account. To his credit, he immediately escalated the issue on his end, but I have been unable to get any official documentation from T-mobile stating that this happened, which I was hoping to submit to Chase as evidence. The manager says he is not authorized to provide that because the documentation he has access to is marked "For internal use only." I have also tried to reach the branch manager of the Chase where the transactions occurred in order to get security camera footage, but she is never available and doesn't return my calls. I spoke with someone at the desk of the local Chicago Police Department financial crimes unit. He recommended I have T-mobile and Chase reserve the security footage for CPD to review. (But I have had no luck reaching people who can do so at either company). Additionally, there is a backlog of "hundreds" of cases like this that CPD is dealing with, so I have little reassurance that they will get to me anytime soon. I'm at a loss of what to do next. I think I have to sue Chase, but I have no idea how to do that. Further, it seems like the cost of a lawyer may be enough that it would be a wash even if I do recover my money. What can I do next?
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You've received a couple of tips about contacting the CFPB, which is great, but you should also submit a complaint to the FDIC. In your complaint, be as detailed as possible about what happened and the bank's response. Include any supporting documentation that you have (police report, contact info for T mobile manager, etc.). The FDIC will then reach out to the bank and REQUIRE an investigation and response. The response will then be forwarded to you, once the FDIC is satisfied with the investigation. If the bank broke any regulations (such as Reg. E in this case), they will either be cited immediately or it will be put on the docket to look at during their next regularly scheduled examination. In my experience, the FDIC gets a quicker, more thorough response and has more "teeth" than the CFPB, which has no teeth, legally speaking. Everyone forgets about the FDIC though!! Source: My job as a bank compliance Examiner. https://www.fdic.gov/consumers/assistance/filecomplaint.html
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I would guess Chase doesn’t believe you. And that’s a heck of a story. For it to happen how you say, someone has to a) know your mailing address, b) link your mailing address to a year old data breach, c) know you have a ATM card being mailed to you, d) have a fake ID with your name on it, e) know where you bank, f) (maybe) have your account number or password to get through the first half of your banks 2FA. Could that be what happened? Sure, I guess. If that happened, could it have been perpetrated by strangers who targeted you randomly? Maybe. But, if it happened the way you suspect, seems far more likely it would have been somone who knows you and had access to half of this info already. Roommates? Shitty family member? If I’m the bank, I’d think this is a friend or associate who took your money, either without or with your consent. Which is probably what they aren’t telling you. I
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Identity thieves stole $15,000 from my checking account and Chase Bank is refusing to reimburse me, what can I do? I am based in Chicago, IL, USA. TLDR: In short, my identity was stolen. Chase recognizes that my accounts were compromised and has denied or reversed all charges on my credit cards. But, they are refusing to reverse the debit card transactions, simply because they were done with chip and PIN. Chase representatives have said that I must pursue the matter "outside the bank" because there is nothing else they can do through the claims department. Full story: Last week, I was the victim of an elaborate and sophisticated identity theft scheme that resulted in slightly over $15,000 being stolen from my checking account. From what I can tell, this is how they executed it: 1. Chase sent me a new debit card to replace my existing card, which was scheduled to expire. (I rarely use the card, didn't know it was expiring, and received no notification from the bank that a new card was sent.) I never received this card, so it was apparently stolen out of the mail. 2. Someone walked into a T-mobile store with a fake ID with my name on it. (I believe they acquired this information and determined I had a T-mobile account via a T-mobile data leak from last year.) This person purchased a cheap Motorola phone (cash) and associated its new SIM with my account. The person was unable to provide my account PIN or answer my security question, but the store manager overrode the authorization anyway and allowed the change to occur because of the fake ID. 3. After this, the Motorola phone was used to access my online banking account. I believe they were able to do this because they then had a device associated with my phone number and could use it for 2-factor authentication. Once they had access to my mobile banking account, they were able to update my password and PIN to lock me out. Two other unusual iPhones also accessed the account shortly thereafter and apparently set my Chase credit cards up for use through ApplePay. 4. The person with my stolen debit card was able to activate the card. They walked up the street from T-mobile to Chase Bank and withdrew $4,000 from the ATM. They also upped the daily transaction/purchase limit and visited currency exchanges, apparently purchasing money orders or making transfers worth an additional $11,000. By the time I discovered my account had been compromised, these transactions had already occurred. I've since changed passwords on all of my banking accounts, had my cards reissued, placed locks on my cards, and placed freezes and fraud alerts on my credit report. I opened claims with Chase and they were almost immediately denied because the transactions were done with a physical chip-based card (because they stole it from the mail) and a working PIN (because they hacked my account to change it). I filed a police report describing what happened and faxed it to the claims department. I also went into the branch where the person made the ATM withdrawals. That's where the banker discovered that a new debit card was activated on my account the day of the fraud (I was previously unaware of this). She faxed documentation of this fact to the claims department, along with my statement that I never received the card and that it was activated without my authorization. I confirmed with Chase that they received both the police report and the documentation from the banker and asked them to reassert my claims. They again denied them. They then stated that there was nothing further I could do with the bank, and if I wanted to pursue it further, I would have to do so "outside of the bank." I asked for clarification of what that meant and the rep said "pursuing the police report or taking legal action." I asked if that meant I have to sue them, and I got stonewalled from there. They refused to tell me any more about what information I could submit that would possibly change the decision on my claims. They repeatedly said that they could not provide that information. I stated I would file a lawsuit if I had to. I was placed on hold while the rep talked to "escalations" and when taken off hold, I was told the same thing again that it was denied and there was nothing further I could do. Additional background info: Meanwhile, the Chase fraud department contacted me yesterday asking about unusual attempts to use my credit cards. Multiple transactions totaling thousands of dollars each were all declined, along with some smaller transactions that went through. They immediately reversed the transactions that I didn't make and recognized the other attempts to use the cards as fraud. They would not do the same for transactions using my debit card. I went into the T-mobile store where the manager improperly overrode security authorizations that allowed someone to get a phone under my name. He said that the person came into the store without a mask on and did not look like me. He understands now that this was a person with a fake ID trying to compromise my account. To his credit, he immediately escalated the issue on his end, but I have been unable to get any official documentation from T-mobile stating that this happened, which I was hoping to submit to Chase as evidence. The manager says he is not authorized to provide that because the documentation he has access to is marked "For internal use only." I have also tried to reach the branch manager of the Chase where the transactions occurred in order to get security camera footage, but she is never available and doesn't return my calls. I spoke with someone at the desk of the local Chicago Police Department financial crimes unit. He recommended I have T-mobile and Chase reserve the security footage for CPD to review. (But I have had no luck reaching people who can do so at either company). Additionally, there is a backlog of "hundreds" of cases like this that CPD is dealing with, so I have little reassurance that they will get to me anytime soon. I'm at a loss of what to do next. I think I have to sue Chase, but I have no idea how to do that. Further, it seems like the cost of a lawyer may be enough that it would be a wash even if I do recover my money. What can I do next?
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Try these guys. https://www.consumerfinance.gov/
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You've received a couple of tips about contacting the CFPB, which is great, but you should also submit a complaint to the FDIC. In your complaint, be as detailed as possible about what happened and the bank's response. Include any supporting documentation that you have (police report, contact info for T mobile manager, etc.). The FDIC will then reach out to the bank and REQUIRE an investigation and response. The response will then be forwarded to you, once the FDIC is satisfied with the investigation. If the bank broke any regulations (such as Reg. E in this case), they will either be cited immediately or it will be put on the docket to look at during their next regularly scheduled examination. In my experience, the FDIC gets a quicker, more thorough response and has more "teeth" than the CFPB, which has no teeth, legally speaking. Everyone forgets about the FDIC though!! Source: My job as a bank compliance Examiner. https://www.fdic.gov/consumers/assistance/filecomplaint.html
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Identity thieves stole $15,000 from my checking account and Chase Bank is refusing to reimburse me, what can I do? I am based in Chicago, IL, USA. TLDR: In short, my identity was stolen. Chase recognizes that my accounts were compromised and has denied or reversed all charges on my credit cards. But, they are refusing to reverse the debit card transactions, simply because they were done with chip and PIN. Chase representatives have said that I must pursue the matter "outside the bank" because there is nothing else they can do through the claims department. Full story: Last week, I was the victim of an elaborate and sophisticated identity theft scheme that resulted in slightly over $15,000 being stolen from my checking account. From what I can tell, this is how they executed it: 1. Chase sent me a new debit card to replace my existing card, which was scheduled to expire. (I rarely use the card, didn't know it was expiring, and received no notification from the bank that a new card was sent.) I never received this card, so it was apparently stolen out of the mail. 2. Someone walked into a T-mobile store with a fake ID with my name on it. (I believe they acquired this information and determined I had a T-mobile account via a T-mobile data leak from last year.) This person purchased a cheap Motorola phone (cash) and associated its new SIM with my account. The person was unable to provide my account PIN or answer my security question, but the store manager overrode the authorization anyway and allowed the change to occur because of the fake ID. 3. After this, the Motorola phone was used to access my online banking account. I believe they were able to do this because they then had a device associated with my phone number and could use it for 2-factor authentication. Once they had access to my mobile banking account, they were able to update my password and PIN to lock me out. Two other unusual iPhones also accessed the account shortly thereafter and apparently set my Chase credit cards up for use through ApplePay. 4. The person with my stolen debit card was able to activate the card. They walked up the street from T-mobile to Chase Bank and withdrew $4,000 from the ATM. They also upped the daily transaction/purchase limit and visited currency exchanges, apparently purchasing money orders or making transfers worth an additional $11,000. By the time I discovered my account had been compromised, these transactions had already occurred. I've since changed passwords on all of my banking accounts, had my cards reissued, placed locks on my cards, and placed freezes and fraud alerts on my credit report. I opened claims with Chase and they were almost immediately denied because the transactions were done with a physical chip-based card (because they stole it from the mail) and a working PIN (because they hacked my account to change it). I filed a police report describing what happened and faxed it to the claims department. I also went into the branch where the person made the ATM withdrawals. That's where the banker discovered that a new debit card was activated on my account the day of the fraud (I was previously unaware of this). She faxed documentation of this fact to the claims department, along with my statement that I never received the card and that it was activated without my authorization. I confirmed with Chase that they received both the police report and the documentation from the banker and asked them to reassert my claims. They again denied them. They then stated that there was nothing further I could do with the bank, and if I wanted to pursue it further, I would have to do so "outside of the bank." I asked for clarification of what that meant and the rep said "pursuing the police report or taking legal action." I asked if that meant I have to sue them, and I got stonewalled from there. They refused to tell me any more about what information I could submit that would possibly change the decision on my claims. They repeatedly said that they could not provide that information. I stated I would file a lawsuit if I had to. I was placed on hold while the rep talked to "escalations" and when taken off hold, I was told the same thing again that it was denied and there was nothing further I could do. Additional background info: Meanwhile, the Chase fraud department contacted me yesterday asking about unusual attempts to use my credit cards. Multiple transactions totaling thousands of dollars each were all declined, along with some smaller transactions that went through. They immediately reversed the transactions that I didn't make and recognized the other attempts to use the cards as fraud. They would not do the same for transactions using my debit card. I went into the T-mobile store where the manager improperly overrode security authorizations that allowed someone to get a phone under my name. He said that the person came into the store without a mask on and did not look like me. He understands now that this was a person with a fake ID trying to compromise my account. To his credit, he immediately escalated the issue on his end, but I have been unable to get any official documentation from T-mobile stating that this happened, which I was hoping to submit to Chase as evidence. The manager says he is not authorized to provide that because the documentation he has access to is marked "For internal use only." I have also tried to reach the branch manager of the Chase where the transactions occurred in order to get security camera footage, but she is never available and doesn't return my calls. I spoke with someone at the desk of the local Chicago Police Department financial crimes unit. He recommended I have T-mobile and Chase reserve the security footage for CPD to review. (But I have had no luck reaching people who can do so at either company). Additionally, there is a backlog of "hundreds" of cases like this that CPD is dealing with, so I have little reassurance that they will get to me anytime soon. I'm at a loss of what to do next. I think I have to sue Chase, but I have no idea how to do that. Further, it seems like the cost of a lawyer may be enough that it would be a wash even if I do recover my money. What can I do next?
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Not a lawyer, but in reading your OP, my mind immediately went to someone associated with the postal service. There has been some shady shit happening with USPS and they would have access to all of this information based on what you receive in the mail. Might be worth a call to your postmaster to report the suspicion in case other people have reported anything similar. If a USPS employee isn’t the perpetrator, it could be that they are gathering and selling the information.
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You've received a couple of tips about contacting the CFPB, which is great, but you should also submit a complaint to the FDIC. In your complaint, be as detailed as possible about what happened and the bank's response. Include any supporting documentation that you have (police report, contact info for T mobile manager, etc.). The FDIC will then reach out to the bank and REQUIRE an investigation and response. The response will then be forwarded to you, once the FDIC is satisfied with the investigation. If the bank broke any regulations (such as Reg. E in this case), they will either be cited immediately or it will be put on the docket to look at during their next regularly scheduled examination. In my experience, the FDIC gets a quicker, more thorough response and has more "teeth" than the CFPB, which has no teeth, legally speaking. Everyone forgets about the FDIC though!! Source: My job as a bank compliance Examiner. https://www.fdic.gov/consumers/assistance/filecomplaint.html
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Identity thieves stole $15,000 from my checking account and Chase Bank is refusing to reimburse me, what can I do? I am based in Chicago, IL, USA. TLDR: In short, my identity was stolen. Chase recognizes that my accounts were compromised and has denied or reversed all charges on my credit cards. But, they are refusing to reverse the debit card transactions, simply because they were done with chip and PIN. Chase representatives have said that I must pursue the matter "outside the bank" because there is nothing else they can do through the claims department. Full story: Last week, I was the victim of an elaborate and sophisticated identity theft scheme that resulted in slightly over $15,000 being stolen from my checking account. From what I can tell, this is how they executed it: 1. Chase sent me a new debit card to replace my existing card, which was scheduled to expire. (I rarely use the card, didn't know it was expiring, and received no notification from the bank that a new card was sent.) I never received this card, so it was apparently stolen out of the mail. 2. Someone walked into a T-mobile store with a fake ID with my name on it. (I believe they acquired this information and determined I had a T-mobile account via a T-mobile data leak from last year.) This person purchased a cheap Motorola phone (cash) and associated its new SIM with my account. The person was unable to provide my account PIN or answer my security question, but the store manager overrode the authorization anyway and allowed the change to occur because of the fake ID. 3. After this, the Motorola phone was used to access my online banking account. I believe they were able to do this because they then had a device associated with my phone number and could use it for 2-factor authentication. Once they had access to my mobile banking account, they were able to update my password and PIN to lock me out. Two other unusual iPhones also accessed the account shortly thereafter and apparently set my Chase credit cards up for use through ApplePay. 4. The person with my stolen debit card was able to activate the card. They walked up the street from T-mobile to Chase Bank and withdrew $4,000 from the ATM. They also upped the daily transaction/purchase limit and visited currency exchanges, apparently purchasing money orders or making transfers worth an additional $11,000. By the time I discovered my account had been compromised, these transactions had already occurred. I've since changed passwords on all of my banking accounts, had my cards reissued, placed locks on my cards, and placed freezes and fraud alerts on my credit report. I opened claims with Chase and they were almost immediately denied because the transactions were done with a physical chip-based card (because they stole it from the mail) and a working PIN (because they hacked my account to change it). I filed a police report describing what happened and faxed it to the claims department. I also went into the branch where the person made the ATM withdrawals. That's where the banker discovered that a new debit card was activated on my account the day of the fraud (I was previously unaware of this). She faxed documentation of this fact to the claims department, along with my statement that I never received the card and that it was activated without my authorization. I confirmed with Chase that they received both the police report and the documentation from the banker and asked them to reassert my claims. They again denied them. They then stated that there was nothing further I could do with the bank, and if I wanted to pursue it further, I would have to do so "outside of the bank." I asked for clarification of what that meant and the rep said "pursuing the police report or taking legal action." I asked if that meant I have to sue them, and I got stonewalled from there. They refused to tell me any more about what information I could submit that would possibly change the decision on my claims. They repeatedly said that they could not provide that information. I stated I would file a lawsuit if I had to. I was placed on hold while the rep talked to "escalations" and when taken off hold, I was told the same thing again that it was denied and there was nothing further I could do. Additional background info: Meanwhile, the Chase fraud department contacted me yesterday asking about unusual attempts to use my credit cards. Multiple transactions totaling thousands of dollars each were all declined, along with some smaller transactions that went through. They immediately reversed the transactions that I didn't make and recognized the other attempts to use the cards as fraud. They would not do the same for transactions using my debit card. I went into the T-mobile store where the manager improperly overrode security authorizations that allowed someone to get a phone under my name. He said that the person came into the store without a mask on and did not look like me. He understands now that this was a person with a fake ID trying to compromise my account. To his credit, he immediately escalated the issue on his end, but I have been unable to get any official documentation from T-mobile stating that this happened, which I was hoping to submit to Chase as evidence. The manager says he is not authorized to provide that because the documentation he has access to is marked "For internal use only." I have also tried to reach the branch manager of the Chase where the transactions occurred in order to get security camera footage, but she is never available and doesn't return my calls. I spoke with someone at the desk of the local Chicago Police Department financial crimes unit. He recommended I have T-mobile and Chase reserve the security footage for CPD to review. (But I have had no luck reaching people who can do so at either company). Additionally, there is a backlog of "hundreds" of cases like this that CPD is dealing with, so I have little reassurance that they will get to me anytime soon. I'm at a loss of what to do next. I think I have to sue Chase, but I have no idea how to do that. Further, it seems like the cost of a lawyer may be enough that it would be a wash even if I do recover my money. What can I do next?
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You've received a couple of tips about contacting the CFPB, which is great, but you should also submit a complaint to the FDIC. In your complaint, be as detailed as possible about what happened and the bank's response. Include any supporting documentation that you have (police report, contact info for T mobile manager, etc.). The FDIC will then reach out to the bank and REQUIRE an investigation and response. The response will then be forwarded to you, once the FDIC is satisfied with the investigation. If the bank broke any regulations (such as Reg. E in this case), they will either be cited immediately or it will be put on the docket to look at during their next regularly scheduled examination. In my experience, the FDIC gets a quicker, more thorough response and has more "teeth" than the CFPB, which has no teeth, legally speaking. Everyone forgets about the FDIC though!! Source: My job as a bank compliance Examiner. https://www.fdic.gov/consumers/assistance/filecomplaint.html
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Every new chase debit card i've had i would need the current pin to activate the new card. I've used the same pin forever and on my last 2 chase cards i have to call the number and input the pin. Unless theres some backdoor way to get it but either way if he SOMEHOW created a new pin on the new card he wouldve just used it at the Tmobile place right?
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Identity thieves stole $15,000 from my checking account and Chase Bank is refusing to reimburse me, what can I do? I am based in Chicago, IL, USA. TLDR: In short, my identity was stolen. Chase recognizes that my accounts were compromised and has denied or reversed all charges on my credit cards. But, they are refusing to reverse the debit card transactions, simply because they were done with chip and PIN. Chase representatives have said that I must pursue the matter "outside the bank" because there is nothing else they can do through the claims department. Full story: Last week, I was the victim of an elaborate and sophisticated identity theft scheme that resulted in slightly over $15,000 being stolen from my checking account. From what I can tell, this is how they executed it: 1. Chase sent me a new debit card to replace my existing card, which was scheduled to expire. (I rarely use the card, didn't know it was expiring, and received no notification from the bank that a new card was sent.) I never received this card, so it was apparently stolen out of the mail. 2. Someone walked into a T-mobile store with a fake ID with my name on it. (I believe they acquired this information and determined I had a T-mobile account via a T-mobile data leak from last year.) This person purchased a cheap Motorola phone (cash) and associated its new SIM with my account. The person was unable to provide my account PIN or answer my security question, but the store manager overrode the authorization anyway and allowed the change to occur because of the fake ID. 3. After this, the Motorola phone was used to access my online banking account. I believe they were able to do this because they then had a device associated with my phone number and could use it for 2-factor authentication. Once they had access to my mobile banking account, they were able to update my password and PIN to lock me out. Two other unusual iPhones also accessed the account shortly thereafter and apparently set my Chase credit cards up for use through ApplePay. 4. The person with my stolen debit card was able to activate the card. They walked up the street from T-mobile to Chase Bank and withdrew $4,000 from the ATM. They also upped the daily transaction/purchase limit and visited currency exchanges, apparently purchasing money orders or making transfers worth an additional $11,000. By the time I discovered my account had been compromised, these transactions had already occurred. I've since changed passwords on all of my banking accounts, had my cards reissued, placed locks on my cards, and placed freezes and fraud alerts on my credit report. I opened claims with Chase and they were almost immediately denied because the transactions were done with a physical chip-based card (because they stole it from the mail) and a working PIN (because they hacked my account to change it). I filed a police report describing what happened and faxed it to the claims department. I also went into the branch where the person made the ATM withdrawals. That's where the banker discovered that a new debit card was activated on my account the day of the fraud (I was previously unaware of this). She faxed documentation of this fact to the claims department, along with my statement that I never received the card and that it was activated without my authorization. I confirmed with Chase that they received both the police report and the documentation from the banker and asked them to reassert my claims. They again denied them. They then stated that there was nothing further I could do with the bank, and if I wanted to pursue it further, I would have to do so "outside of the bank." I asked for clarification of what that meant and the rep said "pursuing the police report or taking legal action." I asked if that meant I have to sue them, and I got stonewalled from there. They refused to tell me any more about what information I could submit that would possibly change the decision on my claims. They repeatedly said that they could not provide that information. I stated I would file a lawsuit if I had to. I was placed on hold while the rep talked to "escalations" and when taken off hold, I was told the same thing again that it was denied and there was nothing further I could do. Additional background info: Meanwhile, the Chase fraud department contacted me yesterday asking about unusual attempts to use my credit cards. Multiple transactions totaling thousands of dollars each were all declined, along with some smaller transactions that went through. They immediately reversed the transactions that I didn't make and recognized the other attempts to use the cards as fraud. They would not do the same for transactions using my debit card. I went into the T-mobile store where the manager improperly overrode security authorizations that allowed someone to get a phone under my name. He said that the person came into the store without a mask on and did not look like me. He understands now that this was a person with a fake ID trying to compromise my account. To his credit, he immediately escalated the issue on his end, but I have been unable to get any official documentation from T-mobile stating that this happened, which I was hoping to submit to Chase as evidence. The manager says he is not authorized to provide that because the documentation he has access to is marked "For internal use only." I have also tried to reach the branch manager of the Chase where the transactions occurred in order to get security camera footage, but she is never available and doesn't return my calls. I spoke with someone at the desk of the local Chicago Police Department financial crimes unit. He recommended I have T-mobile and Chase reserve the security footage for CPD to review. (But I have had no luck reaching people who can do so at either company). Additionally, there is a backlog of "hundreds" of cases like this that CPD is dealing with, so I have little reassurance that they will get to me anytime soon. I'm at a loss of what to do next. I think I have to sue Chase, but I have no idea how to do that. Further, it seems like the cost of a lawyer may be enough that it would be a wash even if I do recover my money. What can I do next?
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I would guess Chase doesn’t believe you. And that’s a heck of a story. For it to happen how you say, someone has to a) know your mailing address, b) link your mailing address to a year old data breach, c) know you have a ATM card being mailed to you, d) have a fake ID with your name on it, e) know where you bank, f) (maybe) have your account number or password to get through the first half of your banks 2FA. Could that be what happened? Sure, I guess. If that happened, could it have been perpetrated by strangers who targeted you randomly? Maybe. But, if it happened the way you suspect, seems far more likely it would have been somone who knows you and had access to half of this info already. Roommates? Shitty family member? If I’m the bank, I’d think this is a friend or associate who took your money, either without or with your consent. Which is probably what they aren’t telling you. I
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Try these guys. https://www.consumerfinance.gov/
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Identity thieves stole $15,000 from my checking account and Chase Bank is refusing to reimburse me, what can I do? I am based in Chicago, IL, USA. TLDR: In short, my identity was stolen. Chase recognizes that my accounts were compromised and has denied or reversed all charges on my credit cards. But, they are refusing to reverse the debit card transactions, simply because they were done with chip and PIN. Chase representatives have said that I must pursue the matter "outside the bank" because there is nothing else they can do through the claims department. Full story: Last week, I was the victim of an elaborate and sophisticated identity theft scheme that resulted in slightly over $15,000 being stolen from my checking account. From what I can tell, this is how they executed it: 1. Chase sent me a new debit card to replace my existing card, which was scheduled to expire. (I rarely use the card, didn't know it was expiring, and received no notification from the bank that a new card was sent.) I never received this card, so it was apparently stolen out of the mail. 2. Someone walked into a T-mobile store with a fake ID with my name on it. (I believe they acquired this information and determined I had a T-mobile account via a T-mobile data leak from last year.) This person purchased a cheap Motorola phone (cash) and associated its new SIM with my account. The person was unable to provide my account PIN or answer my security question, but the store manager overrode the authorization anyway and allowed the change to occur because of the fake ID. 3. After this, the Motorola phone was used to access my online banking account. I believe they were able to do this because they then had a device associated with my phone number and could use it for 2-factor authentication. Once they had access to my mobile banking account, they were able to update my password and PIN to lock me out. Two other unusual iPhones also accessed the account shortly thereafter and apparently set my Chase credit cards up for use through ApplePay. 4. The person with my stolen debit card was able to activate the card. They walked up the street from T-mobile to Chase Bank and withdrew $4,000 from the ATM. They also upped the daily transaction/purchase limit and visited currency exchanges, apparently purchasing money orders or making transfers worth an additional $11,000. By the time I discovered my account had been compromised, these transactions had already occurred. I've since changed passwords on all of my banking accounts, had my cards reissued, placed locks on my cards, and placed freezes and fraud alerts on my credit report. I opened claims with Chase and they were almost immediately denied because the transactions were done with a physical chip-based card (because they stole it from the mail) and a working PIN (because they hacked my account to change it). I filed a police report describing what happened and faxed it to the claims department. I also went into the branch where the person made the ATM withdrawals. That's where the banker discovered that a new debit card was activated on my account the day of the fraud (I was previously unaware of this). She faxed documentation of this fact to the claims department, along with my statement that I never received the card and that it was activated without my authorization. I confirmed with Chase that they received both the police report and the documentation from the banker and asked them to reassert my claims. They again denied them. They then stated that there was nothing further I could do with the bank, and if I wanted to pursue it further, I would have to do so "outside of the bank." I asked for clarification of what that meant and the rep said "pursuing the police report or taking legal action." I asked if that meant I have to sue them, and I got stonewalled from there. They refused to tell me any more about what information I could submit that would possibly change the decision on my claims. They repeatedly said that they could not provide that information. I stated I would file a lawsuit if I had to. I was placed on hold while the rep talked to "escalations" and when taken off hold, I was told the same thing again that it was denied and there was nothing further I could do. Additional background info: Meanwhile, the Chase fraud department contacted me yesterday asking about unusual attempts to use my credit cards. Multiple transactions totaling thousands of dollars each were all declined, along with some smaller transactions that went through. They immediately reversed the transactions that I didn't make and recognized the other attempts to use the cards as fraud. They would not do the same for transactions using my debit card. I went into the T-mobile store where the manager improperly overrode security authorizations that allowed someone to get a phone under my name. He said that the person came into the store without a mask on and did not look like me. He understands now that this was a person with a fake ID trying to compromise my account. To his credit, he immediately escalated the issue on his end, but I have been unable to get any official documentation from T-mobile stating that this happened, which I was hoping to submit to Chase as evidence. The manager says he is not authorized to provide that because the documentation he has access to is marked "For internal use only." I have also tried to reach the branch manager of the Chase where the transactions occurred in order to get security camera footage, but she is never available and doesn't return my calls. I spoke with someone at the desk of the local Chicago Police Department financial crimes unit. He recommended I have T-mobile and Chase reserve the security footage for CPD to review. (But I have had no luck reaching people who can do so at either company). Additionally, there is a backlog of "hundreds" of cases like this that CPD is dealing with, so I have little reassurance that they will get to me anytime soon. I'm at a loss of what to do next. I think I have to sue Chase, but I have no idea how to do that. Further, it seems like the cost of a lawyer may be enough that it would be a wash even if I do recover my money. What can I do next?
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You've received some great advice here, but I just want to talk about the tech aspect of things. As you found out, mobile 2 factor authentication is very insecure. In addition to how your T-Mobile account was compromised, there are also devices that people can use that essentially act as a fake cell phone tower. When your phone connects to them, they are able to essentially clone your SIM. They aren't that common in the US YET but are popping up in other countries especially around resorts. Any time you are able to, disable 2 Factor Authentication that relies on a phone number (either calling or SMS) and enable 2FA through something like an authenticatior app. Obviously if phone number 2FA is the only option, that's still better than nothing. In addition, I strongly encourage everyone to use a password generator. They can generate complex different passwords for EVERY account that you log into, store the passwords, and a lot can even auto fill the passwords when needed if you are signed into your password manager account. I use Bitwarden, but there are many out there.
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Not a lawyer, but in reading your OP, my mind immediately went to someone associated with the postal service. There has been some shady shit happening with USPS and they would have access to all of this information based on what you receive in the mail. Might be worth a call to your postmaster to report the suspicion in case other people have reported anything similar. If a USPS employee isn’t the perpetrator, it could be that they are gathering and selling the information.
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Identity thieves stole $15,000 from my checking account and Chase Bank is refusing to reimburse me, what can I do? I am based in Chicago, IL, USA. TLDR: In short, my identity was stolen. Chase recognizes that my accounts were compromised and has denied or reversed all charges on my credit cards. But, they are refusing to reverse the debit card transactions, simply because they were done with chip and PIN. Chase representatives have said that I must pursue the matter "outside the bank" because there is nothing else they can do through the claims department. Full story: Last week, I was the victim of an elaborate and sophisticated identity theft scheme that resulted in slightly over $15,000 being stolen from my checking account. From what I can tell, this is how they executed it: 1. Chase sent me a new debit card to replace my existing card, which was scheduled to expire. (I rarely use the card, didn't know it was expiring, and received no notification from the bank that a new card was sent.) I never received this card, so it was apparently stolen out of the mail. 2. Someone walked into a T-mobile store with a fake ID with my name on it. (I believe they acquired this information and determined I had a T-mobile account via a T-mobile data leak from last year.) This person purchased a cheap Motorola phone (cash) and associated its new SIM with my account. The person was unable to provide my account PIN or answer my security question, but the store manager overrode the authorization anyway and allowed the change to occur because of the fake ID. 3. After this, the Motorola phone was used to access my online banking account. I believe they were able to do this because they then had a device associated with my phone number and could use it for 2-factor authentication. Once they had access to my mobile banking account, they were able to update my password and PIN to lock me out. Two other unusual iPhones also accessed the account shortly thereafter and apparently set my Chase credit cards up for use through ApplePay. 4. The person with my stolen debit card was able to activate the card. They walked up the street from T-mobile to Chase Bank and withdrew $4,000 from the ATM. They also upped the daily transaction/purchase limit and visited currency exchanges, apparently purchasing money orders or making transfers worth an additional $11,000. By the time I discovered my account had been compromised, these transactions had already occurred. I've since changed passwords on all of my banking accounts, had my cards reissued, placed locks on my cards, and placed freezes and fraud alerts on my credit report. I opened claims with Chase and they were almost immediately denied because the transactions were done with a physical chip-based card (because they stole it from the mail) and a working PIN (because they hacked my account to change it). I filed a police report describing what happened and faxed it to the claims department. I also went into the branch where the person made the ATM withdrawals. That's where the banker discovered that a new debit card was activated on my account the day of the fraud (I was previously unaware of this). She faxed documentation of this fact to the claims department, along with my statement that I never received the card and that it was activated without my authorization. I confirmed with Chase that they received both the police report and the documentation from the banker and asked them to reassert my claims. They again denied them. They then stated that there was nothing further I could do with the bank, and if I wanted to pursue it further, I would have to do so "outside of the bank." I asked for clarification of what that meant and the rep said "pursuing the police report or taking legal action." I asked if that meant I have to sue them, and I got stonewalled from there. They refused to tell me any more about what information I could submit that would possibly change the decision on my claims. They repeatedly said that they could not provide that information. I stated I would file a lawsuit if I had to. I was placed on hold while the rep talked to "escalations" and when taken off hold, I was told the same thing again that it was denied and there was nothing further I could do. Additional background info: Meanwhile, the Chase fraud department contacted me yesterday asking about unusual attempts to use my credit cards. Multiple transactions totaling thousands of dollars each were all declined, along with some smaller transactions that went through. They immediately reversed the transactions that I didn't make and recognized the other attempts to use the cards as fraud. They would not do the same for transactions using my debit card. I went into the T-mobile store where the manager improperly overrode security authorizations that allowed someone to get a phone under my name. He said that the person came into the store without a mask on and did not look like me. He understands now that this was a person with a fake ID trying to compromise my account. To his credit, he immediately escalated the issue on his end, but I have been unable to get any official documentation from T-mobile stating that this happened, which I was hoping to submit to Chase as evidence. The manager says he is not authorized to provide that because the documentation he has access to is marked "For internal use only." I have also tried to reach the branch manager of the Chase where the transactions occurred in order to get security camera footage, but she is never available and doesn't return my calls. I spoke with someone at the desk of the local Chicago Police Department financial crimes unit. He recommended I have T-mobile and Chase reserve the security footage for CPD to review. (But I have had no luck reaching people who can do so at either company). Additionally, there is a backlog of "hundreds" of cases like this that CPD is dealing with, so I have little reassurance that they will get to me anytime soon. I'm at a loss of what to do next. I think I have to sue Chase, but I have no idea how to do that. Further, it seems like the cost of a lawyer may be enough that it would be a wash even if I do recover my money. What can I do next?
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iavdmei
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You've received some great advice here, but I just want to talk about the tech aspect of things. As you found out, mobile 2 factor authentication is very insecure. In addition to how your T-Mobile account was compromised, there are also devices that people can use that essentially act as a fake cell phone tower. When your phone connects to them, they are able to essentially clone your SIM. They aren't that common in the US YET but are popping up in other countries especially around resorts. Any time you are able to, disable 2 Factor Authentication that relies on a phone number (either calling or SMS) and enable 2FA through something like an authenticatior app. Obviously if phone number 2FA is the only option, that's still better than nothing. In addition, I strongly encourage everyone to use a password generator. They can generate complex different passwords for EVERY account that you log into, store the passwords, and a lot can even auto fill the passwords when needed if you are signed into your password manager account. I use Bitwarden, but there are many out there.
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Every new chase debit card i've had i would need the current pin to activate the new card. I've used the same pin forever and on my last 2 chase cards i have to call the number and input the pin. Unless theres some backdoor way to get it but either way if he SOMEHOW created a new pin on the new card he wouldve just used it at the Tmobile place right?
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Identity thieves stole $15,000 from my checking account and Chase Bank is refusing to reimburse me, what can I do? I am based in Chicago, IL, USA. TLDR: In short, my identity was stolen. Chase recognizes that my accounts were compromised and has denied or reversed all charges on my credit cards. But, they are refusing to reverse the debit card transactions, simply because they were done with chip and PIN. Chase representatives have said that I must pursue the matter "outside the bank" because there is nothing else they can do through the claims department. Full story: Last week, I was the victim of an elaborate and sophisticated identity theft scheme that resulted in slightly over $15,000 being stolen from my checking account. From what I can tell, this is how they executed it: 1. Chase sent me a new debit card to replace my existing card, which was scheduled to expire. (I rarely use the card, didn't know it was expiring, and received no notification from the bank that a new card was sent.) I never received this card, so it was apparently stolen out of the mail. 2. Someone walked into a T-mobile store with a fake ID with my name on it. (I believe they acquired this information and determined I had a T-mobile account via a T-mobile data leak from last year.) This person purchased a cheap Motorola phone (cash) and associated its new SIM with my account. The person was unable to provide my account PIN or answer my security question, but the store manager overrode the authorization anyway and allowed the change to occur because of the fake ID. 3. After this, the Motorola phone was used to access my online banking account. I believe they were able to do this because they then had a device associated with my phone number and could use it for 2-factor authentication. Once they had access to my mobile banking account, they were able to update my password and PIN to lock me out. Two other unusual iPhones also accessed the account shortly thereafter and apparently set my Chase credit cards up for use through ApplePay. 4. The person with my stolen debit card was able to activate the card. They walked up the street from T-mobile to Chase Bank and withdrew $4,000 from the ATM. They also upped the daily transaction/purchase limit and visited currency exchanges, apparently purchasing money orders or making transfers worth an additional $11,000. By the time I discovered my account had been compromised, these transactions had already occurred. I've since changed passwords on all of my banking accounts, had my cards reissued, placed locks on my cards, and placed freezes and fraud alerts on my credit report. I opened claims with Chase and they were almost immediately denied because the transactions were done with a physical chip-based card (because they stole it from the mail) and a working PIN (because they hacked my account to change it). I filed a police report describing what happened and faxed it to the claims department. I also went into the branch where the person made the ATM withdrawals. That's where the banker discovered that a new debit card was activated on my account the day of the fraud (I was previously unaware of this). She faxed documentation of this fact to the claims department, along with my statement that I never received the card and that it was activated without my authorization. I confirmed with Chase that they received both the police report and the documentation from the banker and asked them to reassert my claims. They again denied them. They then stated that there was nothing further I could do with the bank, and if I wanted to pursue it further, I would have to do so "outside of the bank." I asked for clarification of what that meant and the rep said "pursuing the police report or taking legal action." I asked if that meant I have to sue them, and I got stonewalled from there. They refused to tell me any more about what information I could submit that would possibly change the decision on my claims. They repeatedly said that they could not provide that information. I stated I would file a lawsuit if I had to. I was placed on hold while the rep talked to "escalations" and when taken off hold, I was told the same thing again that it was denied and there was nothing further I could do. Additional background info: Meanwhile, the Chase fraud department contacted me yesterday asking about unusual attempts to use my credit cards. Multiple transactions totaling thousands of dollars each were all declined, along with some smaller transactions that went through. They immediately reversed the transactions that I didn't make and recognized the other attempts to use the cards as fraud. They would not do the same for transactions using my debit card. I went into the T-mobile store where the manager improperly overrode security authorizations that allowed someone to get a phone under my name. He said that the person came into the store without a mask on and did not look like me. He understands now that this was a person with a fake ID trying to compromise my account. To his credit, he immediately escalated the issue on his end, but I have been unable to get any official documentation from T-mobile stating that this happened, which I was hoping to submit to Chase as evidence. The manager says he is not authorized to provide that because the documentation he has access to is marked "For internal use only." I have also tried to reach the branch manager of the Chase where the transactions occurred in order to get security camera footage, but she is never available and doesn't return my calls. I spoke with someone at the desk of the local Chicago Police Department financial crimes unit. He recommended I have T-mobile and Chase reserve the security footage for CPD to review. (But I have had no luck reaching people who can do so at either company). Additionally, there is a backlog of "hundreds" of cases like this that CPD is dealing with, so I have little reassurance that they will get to me anytime soon. I'm at a loss of what to do next. I think I have to sue Chase, but I have no idea how to do that. Further, it seems like the cost of a lawyer may be enough that it would be a wash even if I do recover my money. What can I do next?
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iaw86va
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You've received some great advice here, but I just want to talk about the tech aspect of things. As you found out, mobile 2 factor authentication is very insecure. In addition to how your T-Mobile account was compromised, there are also devices that people can use that essentially act as a fake cell phone tower. When your phone connects to them, they are able to essentially clone your SIM. They aren't that common in the US YET but are popping up in other countries especially around resorts. Any time you are able to, disable 2 Factor Authentication that relies on a phone number (either calling or SMS) and enable 2FA through something like an authenticatior app. Obviously if phone number 2FA is the only option, that's still better than nothing. In addition, I strongly encourage everyone to use a password generator. They can generate complex different passwords for EVERY account that you log into, store the passwords, and a lot can even auto fill the passwords when needed if you are signed into your password manager account. I use Bitwarden, but there are many out there.
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This is not helpful at you’re current juncture, but your story is the classic example of why they say not to keep money in a checking account. Credit cards are different than checking accounts legally. They are required to remove charges from the cards before investigation. Checking accounts have no such requirement. They can keep your money until you prove it was fraud. What you are supposed to do is pay for everything with credit cards (that you pay off every bill so you never pay interest), and your cash is only in checking to pay down bills. Your savings then shouldn’t be in any kind of account that has a card attached to it. It sounds crazy but legally your money is safest this way. I am a high earner but my average daily checking balance is never more than a couple hundred.
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Identity thieves stole $15,000 from my checking account and Chase Bank is refusing to reimburse me, what can I do? I am based in Chicago, IL, USA. TLDR: In short, my identity was stolen. Chase recognizes that my accounts were compromised and has denied or reversed all charges on my credit cards. But, they are refusing to reverse the debit card transactions, simply because they were done with chip and PIN. Chase representatives have said that I must pursue the matter "outside the bank" because there is nothing else they can do through the claims department. Full story: Last week, I was the victim of an elaborate and sophisticated identity theft scheme that resulted in slightly over $15,000 being stolen from my checking account. From what I can tell, this is how they executed it: 1. Chase sent me a new debit card to replace my existing card, which was scheduled to expire. (I rarely use the card, didn't know it was expiring, and received no notification from the bank that a new card was sent.) I never received this card, so it was apparently stolen out of the mail. 2. Someone walked into a T-mobile store with a fake ID with my name on it. (I believe they acquired this information and determined I had a T-mobile account via a T-mobile data leak from last year.) This person purchased a cheap Motorola phone (cash) and associated its new SIM with my account. The person was unable to provide my account PIN or answer my security question, but the store manager overrode the authorization anyway and allowed the change to occur because of the fake ID. 3. After this, the Motorola phone was used to access my online banking account. I believe they were able to do this because they then had a device associated with my phone number and could use it for 2-factor authentication. Once they had access to my mobile banking account, they were able to update my password and PIN to lock me out. Two other unusual iPhones also accessed the account shortly thereafter and apparently set my Chase credit cards up for use through ApplePay. 4. The person with my stolen debit card was able to activate the card. They walked up the street from T-mobile to Chase Bank and withdrew $4,000 from the ATM. They also upped the daily transaction/purchase limit and visited currency exchanges, apparently purchasing money orders or making transfers worth an additional $11,000. By the time I discovered my account had been compromised, these transactions had already occurred. I've since changed passwords on all of my banking accounts, had my cards reissued, placed locks on my cards, and placed freezes and fraud alerts on my credit report. I opened claims with Chase and they were almost immediately denied because the transactions were done with a physical chip-based card (because they stole it from the mail) and a working PIN (because they hacked my account to change it). I filed a police report describing what happened and faxed it to the claims department. I also went into the branch where the person made the ATM withdrawals. That's where the banker discovered that a new debit card was activated on my account the day of the fraud (I was previously unaware of this). She faxed documentation of this fact to the claims department, along with my statement that I never received the card and that it was activated without my authorization. I confirmed with Chase that they received both the police report and the documentation from the banker and asked them to reassert my claims. They again denied them. They then stated that there was nothing further I could do with the bank, and if I wanted to pursue it further, I would have to do so "outside of the bank." I asked for clarification of what that meant and the rep said "pursuing the police report or taking legal action." I asked if that meant I have to sue them, and I got stonewalled from there. They refused to tell me any more about what information I could submit that would possibly change the decision on my claims. They repeatedly said that they could not provide that information. I stated I would file a lawsuit if I had to. I was placed on hold while the rep talked to "escalations" and when taken off hold, I was told the same thing again that it was denied and there was nothing further I could do. Additional background info: Meanwhile, the Chase fraud department contacted me yesterday asking about unusual attempts to use my credit cards. Multiple transactions totaling thousands of dollars each were all declined, along with some smaller transactions that went through. They immediately reversed the transactions that I didn't make and recognized the other attempts to use the cards as fraud. They would not do the same for transactions using my debit card. I went into the T-mobile store where the manager improperly overrode security authorizations that allowed someone to get a phone under my name. He said that the person came into the store without a mask on and did not look like me. He understands now that this was a person with a fake ID trying to compromise my account. To his credit, he immediately escalated the issue on his end, but I have been unable to get any official documentation from T-mobile stating that this happened, which I was hoping to submit to Chase as evidence. The manager says he is not authorized to provide that because the documentation he has access to is marked "For internal use only." I have also tried to reach the branch manager of the Chase where the transactions occurred in order to get security camera footage, but she is never available and doesn't return my calls. I spoke with someone at the desk of the local Chicago Police Department financial crimes unit. He recommended I have T-mobile and Chase reserve the security footage for CPD to review. (But I have had no luck reaching people who can do so at either company). Additionally, there is a backlog of "hundreds" of cases like this that CPD is dealing with, so I have little reassurance that they will get to me anytime soon. I'm at a loss of what to do next. I think I have to sue Chase, but I have no idea how to do that. Further, it seems like the cost of a lawyer may be enough that it would be a wash even if I do recover my money. What can I do next?
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iawurwu
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This is not helpful at you’re current juncture, but your story is the classic example of why they say not to keep money in a checking account. Credit cards are different than checking accounts legally. They are required to remove charges from the cards before investigation. Checking accounts have no such requirement. They can keep your money until you prove it was fraud. What you are supposed to do is pay for everything with credit cards (that you pay off every bill so you never pay interest), and your cash is only in checking to pay down bills. Your savings then shouldn’t be in any kind of account that has a card attached to it. It sounds crazy but legally your money is safest this way. I am a high earner but my average daily checking balance is never more than a couple hundred.
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WARNING: DO NOT USE A DEBIT CARD! Credit cards are protected but debit cards are not. That is why banks PUSH them.
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My mother stole my identity and ruined my credit as a child, is it too late to press charges against her? When I was a kid (between 1-10 y/o specifically), my biological mother used my ssn to get apartments, loans, credit cards, power bills, etc; you name it. I was raised by my grandmother (her mom) since I was three years old, and once she legally adopted me at 11, she put a suppression on my credit with transunion. My family never really knew the extent of what my biological mother did, except for my grandmother, who has always refused to hold my mother accountable unfortunately. Well yesterday, I was finally able to get the suppression off my credit after about 13 years (im 24 now) and I'm honestly pretty appalled at everything I’ve seen on there, and confused/hurt as well. From what my grandma told me, this stuff should've fallen off my credit after about 7 years - not sure how or why it’s still on there. How can I get this stuff off my credit & Is it too late to file a police report against my biological mother since most of these charges were in the early 2000's? She's in prison as of now so i'm not sure what'll come out of this all, but I'm not sure what to do, where do I even go from here? If I had to estimate, after calling just the power, phone, & rental companies I saw on here, theres at least $20,000+ worth of debt that I didn't do. Should I get a lawyer? I don’t even know where to begin, I’m extremely overwhelmed. This is a sore spot for my family because some think I should do everything I can to hold her accountable, while others are upset I’m “bringing up the past”. Any advice anyone could give me on how to move forward would be great 🥲 thank you!
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iaeb0aj
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Not a lawyer, but r/personalfinance has a sidebar on dealing with identity theft. I don't see where you listed your state, which is a sub requirement and might affect the statute of limitations. How long have you known about all of this? As for your family members who don't want you to "bring up the past," it is your present, not your past. This is going to impact you in so many ways for a very long time if you don't get it cleared up. File a police report in the jurisdiction(s) where it happened.
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You might have recourse against her for some things, but at 13 years it seems doubtful. It would depend on where you lived and where she lived at the time, to find something she might have done that would not be barred by the statute of limitations for that location. US Federal bank fraud caps at 5 years. Fraud like identity theft is 7 years. Your state or her state (if different) might have longer limits but it seems unlikely they'd be as long as 13 years. As far as clearing up your credit history, there is a process for doing this. It would begin with contacting each creditor who is reporting adverse credit information and asking them what you can do to prove that you weren't liable or weren't responsible. There are books and other resources published on the topic of credit repair. In some cases, a letter demanding removal due to the age of the derogatory information might be enough. If you have the means to pay for an attorney, they might be able to help. They might not be able to do anything a lay person couldn't do for themselves, but they could streamline the process or make it less stressful. Even people who do deserve their negative information still succeed in repairing their credit -- though it takes time and patience.
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My mother stole my identity and ruined my credit as a child, is it too late to press charges against her? When I was a kid (between 1-10 y/o specifically), my biological mother used my ssn to get apartments, loans, credit cards, power bills, etc; you name it. I was raised by my grandmother (her mom) since I was three years old, and once she legally adopted me at 11, she put a suppression on my credit with transunion. My family never really knew the extent of what my biological mother did, except for my grandmother, who has always refused to hold my mother accountable unfortunately. Well yesterday, I was finally able to get the suppression off my credit after about 13 years (im 24 now) and I'm honestly pretty appalled at everything I’ve seen on there, and confused/hurt as well. From what my grandma told me, this stuff should've fallen off my credit after about 7 years - not sure how or why it’s still on there. How can I get this stuff off my credit & Is it too late to file a police report against my biological mother since most of these charges were in the early 2000's? She's in prison as of now so i'm not sure what'll come out of this all, but I'm not sure what to do, where do I even go from here? If I had to estimate, after calling just the power, phone, & rental companies I saw on here, theres at least $20,000+ worth of debt that I didn't do. Should I get a lawyer? I don’t even know where to begin, I’m extremely overwhelmed. This is a sore spot for my family because some think I should do everything I can to hold her accountable, while others are upset I’m “bringing up the past”. Any advice anyone could give me on how to move forward would be great 🥲 thank you!
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iaeb0aj
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Just file a dispute with each credit agency with reason being not your debt. They’ll see the debt is x years old and you were 3 and drop it from your report. I went through a similar thing.
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You might have recourse against her for some things, but at 13 years it seems doubtful. It would depend on where you lived and where she lived at the time, to find something she might have done that would not be barred by the statute of limitations for that location. US Federal bank fraud caps at 5 years. Fraud like identity theft is 7 years. Your state or her state (if different) might have longer limits but it seems unlikely they'd be as long as 13 years. As far as clearing up your credit history, there is a process for doing this. It would begin with contacting each creditor who is reporting adverse credit information and asking them what you can do to prove that you weren't liable or weren't responsible. There are books and other resources published on the topic of credit repair. In some cases, a letter demanding removal due to the age of the derogatory information might be enough. If you have the means to pay for an attorney, they might be able to help. They might not be able to do anything a lay person couldn't do for themselves, but they could streamline the process or make it less stressful. Even people who do deserve their negative information still succeed in repairing their credit -- though it takes time and patience.
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My mother stole my identity and ruined my credit as a child, is it too late to press charges against her? When I was a kid (between 1-10 y/o specifically), my biological mother used my ssn to get apartments, loans, credit cards, power bills, etc; you name it. I was raised by my grandmother (her mom) since I was three years old, and once she legally adopted me at 11, she put a suppression on my credit with transunion. My family never really knew the extent of what my biological mother did, except for my grandmother, who has always refused to hold my mother accountable unfortunately. Well yesterday, I was finally able to get the suppression off my credit after about 13 years (im 24 now) and I'm honestly pretty appalled at everything I’ve seen on there, and confused/hurt as well. From what my grandma told me, this stuff should've fallen off my credit after about 7 years - not sure how or why it’s still on there. How can I get this stuff off my credit & Is it too late to file a police report against my biological mother since most of these charges were in the early 2000's? She's in prison as of now so i'm not sure what'll come out of this all, but I'm not sure what to do, where do I even go from here? If I had to estimate, after calling just the power, phone, & rental companies I saw on here, theres at least $20,000+ worth of debt that I didn't do. Should I get a lawyer? I don’t even know where to begin, I’m extremely overwhelmed. This is a sore spot for my family because some think I should do everything I can to hold her accountable, while others are upset I’m “bringing up the past”. Any advice anyone could give me on how to move forward would be great 🥲 thank you!
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iaf0ikg
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Don't contact anyone yet aside from the police. Once you've got a police report in-hand for identity theft, the process to get it cleaned up is much different and you will have a lot less bullshit to deal with by going the identity theft route. Whether charges are pressed or not isn't really up to you. They may choose to prosecute it or not. Definitely also check r/personalfinance regarding the steps to clean up ID theft. This will include putting a freeze on all of your credit reports. If your grandmother had previously had the pin to unfreeze, make sure you change it. Put your financial stuff under lock and key.
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Just file a dispute with each credit agency with reason being not your debt. They’ll see the debt is x years old and you were 3 and drop it from your report. I went through a similar thing.
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v04c3f
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My mother stole my identity and ruined my credit as a child, is it too late to press charges against her? When I was a kid (between 1-10 y/o specifically), my biological mother used my ssn to get apartments, loans, credit cards, power bills, etc; you name it. I was raised by my grandmother (her mom) since I was three years old, and once she legally adopted me at 11, she put a suppression on my credit with transunion. My family never really knew the extent of what my biological mother did, except for my grandmother, who has always refused to hold my mother accountable unfortunately. Well yesterday, I was finally able to get the suppression off my credit after about 13 years (im 24 now) and I'm honestly pretty appalled at everything I’ve seen on there, and confused/hurt as well. From what my grandma told me, this stuff should've fallen off my credit after about 7 years - not sure how or why it’s still on there. How can I get this stuff off my credit & Is it too late to file a police report against my biological mother since most of these charges were in the early 2000's? She's in prison as of now so i'm not sure what'll come out of this all, but I'm not sure what to do, where do I even go from here? If I had to estimate, after calling just the power, phone, & rental companies I saw on here, theres at least $20,000+ worth of debt that I didn't do. Should I get a lawyer? I don’t even know where to begin, I’m extremely overwhelmed. This is a sore spot for my family because some think I should do everything I can to hold her accountable, while others are upset I’m “bringing up the past”. Any advice anyone could give me on how to move forward would be great 🥲 thank you!
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iaenlm8
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Run your free credit report. There is an option on each entry to dispute. Dispute every one of them, you can prove you were not old enough to incur such debt. Most will drop off that way w/o a lawyer. For the rest, contact them, any debt collectors, and prove you weren't old enough to incur dept and the debt is fraud. Let them worry about prosecution for the debt/fraud. Just try to clear your records. If you have to you can get a layer to help you through clearing your credit. NL but had similar experience. My older sister (much older) used my ssn etc when I was a pre-teen and racked up ccards, utility bills etc. I even went to jail (later as a teen) for skipping out on some auto accidents because her hubby had a driver's license in my name! clear your debt with the creditors and they will do the rest. Worked for me.
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Don't contact anyone yet aside from the police. Once you've got a police report in-hand for identity theft, the process to get it cleaned up is much different and you will have a lot less bullshit to deal with by going the identity theft route. Whether charges are pressed or not isn't really up to you. They may choose to prosecute it or not. Definitely also check r/personalfinance regarding the steps to clean up ID theft. This will include putting a freeze on all of your credit reports. If your grandmother had previously had the pin to unfreeze, make sure you change it. Put your financial stuff under lock and key.
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My mother stole the identity of myself and my six siblings, committing credit card fraud and putting us collectively in about 200,000 dollars of debt. This happened in the state of Kansas, if relevant. This was all fully discovered about 4 months ago when she walked out on our family. It’s become apparent that our only recourse is legal action. I have no legal experience, but as far as proof goes the most glaring would be that she opened up credit cards in my oldest brothers name. He is mentally disabled and severely autistic, he can not communicate and has impaired motor skills. I don’t know what exact questions to ask, aside from how do I approach all of this. Now that she’s gone we are in possession of all the cards she opened in our names, if that is relevant. Thanks for any advice.
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i9ingj8
| 1,653,184,949 | 1,653,184,965 | 26 | 107 |
Read the /r/personalfinance FAQ on identity theft. File a police report at your local police station tomorrow. Pull a copy of your credit report ASAP and call all banks' fraud lines and alert them to what's happening. Tell them that a police report will be filed tomorrow and you won't be responsible for fraud debt. Once you get the police report, contest all negative entries on your credit reports. Does your brother get Social Security payments? Is she the authorized payer/person who gets the money? Does he have a social worker assigned to him? The social worker needs to be looped in ASAP. Do not make payments on the debt. Any partial payment can be deemed acceptance. You don't owe anything.
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r/personalfinance has a wiki page about identity theft that walks you through process in detail. The high level is this: * Gather up evidence such as bills in your name that you did not authorize and a copy of your credit report showing the fraudulent debts. * File a police report and obtain a copy of the report for your records. * Go through the unauthorized debts and dispute them with the creditor, in writing, with a copy of the police report attached. * Dispute the inaccurate (i.e., unauthorized) entries on your credit file with each of the credit reporting agencies. * Lock down your credit. You can help your brother's legal guardian with this process, as well. Things _not_ to do include using any of those cards, even once, or making payments towards them. Negotiating with the creditors is also a bad idea: report the fraud, and then let the chips fall where they may. Anything that suggests you recognize any part of those debts as yours may mean you're stuck with the whole thing.
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uv15wr
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My mother stole the identity of myself and my six siblings, committing credit card fraud and putting us collectively in about 200,000 dollars of debt. This happened in the state of Kansas, if relevant. This was all fully discovered about 4 months ago when she walked out on our family. It’s become apparent that our only recourse is legal action. I have no legal experience, but as far as proof goes the most glaring would be that she opened up credit cards in my oldest brothers name. He is mentally disabled and severely autistic, he can not communicate and has impaired motor skills. I don’t know what exact questions to ask, aside from how do I approach all of this. Now that she’s gone we are in possession of all the cards she opened in our names, if that is relevant. Thanks for any advice.
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i9kk6tw
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https://www.identitytheft.gov/
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>He is mentally disabled and severely autistic, he can not communicate and has impaired motor skills. If he is an adult, contact Adult Protective Services, as financial abuse against a dependent adult is a separate crime, and they may be able to give him extra help.
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Can I booby trap my license plate? I live in an area with some very scummy people. Turns out one of them tried to steal my license plate, as it was bent off its nails when I went to check it this morning. The thief didn’t succeed but I’m frustrated and don’t want this to happen again. Would it be illegal to tape razor blades/needles/something sharp beneath the plate to dissuade any future takers? I know that sounds extreme and I probably won’t do it but I’m just mostly curious as to rather it would be legal or not.
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Booby traps are generally illegal. Don't do this.
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Booby trapping is generally illegal. If you are going to do anything, your best option is to make it as annoying and as difficult as possible to remove it. Example: vaseline applied liberally on the back of the license-plate: can't get a grip, and as long as its not on the front, you should be fine. Front being your actual license plate numbers: DO NOT OBSCURE THEM. Someone else suggested new bolts and washers of a specifc type. Things like that. DO NOT BOOBY TRAP OR OTHERWISE COVER UP THE LICENSE PLATE.
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ubrf7u
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Can I booby trap my license plate? I live in an area with some very scummy people. Turns out one of them tried to steal my license plate, as it was bent off its nails when I went to check it this morning. The thief didn’t succeed but I’m frustrated and don’t want this to happen again. Would it be illegal to tape razor blades/needles/something sharp beneath the plate to dissuade any future takers? I know that sounds extreme and I probably won’t do it but I’m just mostly curious as to rather it would be legal or not.
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Not legal. You will go to jail when you hurt someone.
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Booby trapping is generally illegal. If you are going to do anything, your best option is to make it as annoying and as difficult as possible to remove it. Example: vaseline applied liberally on the back of the license-plate: can't get a grip, and as long as its not on the front, you should be fine. Front being your actual license plate numbers: DO NOT OBSCURE THEM. Someone else suggested new bolts and washers of a specifc type. Things like that. DO NOT BOOBY TRAP OR OTHERWISE COVER UP THE LICENSE PLATE.
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ubrf7u
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Can I booby trap my license plate? I live in an area with some very scummy people. Turns out one of them tried to steal my license plate, as it was bent off its nails when I went to check it this morning. The thief didn’t succeed but I’m frustrated and don’t want this to happen again. Would it be illegal to tape razor blades/needles/something sharp beneath the plate to dissuade any future takers? I know that sounds extreme and I probably won’t do it but I’m just mostly curious as to rather it would be legal or not.
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i65tl11
| 1,650,912,758 | 1,650,910,673 | 171 | 79 |
> Can I booby trap No (legally speaking, anywhere in the US).
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Not legal. You will go to jail when you hurt someone.
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ubrf7u
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Can I booby trap my license plate? I live in an area with some very scummy people. Turns out one of them tried to steal my license plate, as it was bent off its nails when I went to check it this morning. The thief didn’t succeed but I’m frustrated and don’t want this to happen again. Would it be illegal to tape razor blades/needles/something sharp beneath the plate to dissuade any future takers? I know that sounds extreme and I probably won’t do it but I’m just mostly curious as to rather it would be legal or not.
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OP Not a lawyer but there are a few youtube videos that goes into that kind of topic, from actual lawyers and the thing that they all say: It is highly illegal to booby trap anything or cause intentional harm. In short you set yourself up for both criminal and civil litigation and be forced to pay alot of money in the way of fines and restitution and possible jail time. Just a bad idea, so do not do it. Cameras pointing at the car, dash cam on the car to activate when the car is jostled would be far better.
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Any device which is intended to injure or kill automatically is illegal. Use an alarm and/or security cameras instead
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ubrf7u
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Can I booby trap my license plate? I live in an area with some very scummy people. Turns out one of them tried to steal my license plate, as it was bent off its nails when I went to check it this morning. The thief didn’t succeed but I’m frustrated and don’t want this to happen again. Would it be illegal to tape razor blades/needles/something sharp beneath the plate to dissuade any future takers? I know that sounds extreme and I probably won’t do it but I’m just mostly curious as to rather it would be legal or not.
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i667ozt
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Not legal. You will go to jail when you hurt someone.
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OP Not a lawyer but there are a few youtube videos that goes into that kind of topic, from actual lawyers and the thing that they all say: It is highly illegal to booby trap anything or cause intentional harm. In short you set yourself up for both criminal and civil litigation and be forced to pay alot of money in the way of fines and restitution and possible jail time. Just a bad idea, so do not do it. Cameras pointing at the car, dash cam on the car to activate when the car is jostled would be far better.
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ubrf7u
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Can I booby trap my license plate? I live in an area with some very scummy people. Turns out one of them tried to steal my license plate, as it was bent off its nails when I went to check it this morning. The thief didn’t succeed but I’m frustrated and don’t want this to happen again. Would it be illegal to tape razor blades/needles/something sharp beneath the plate to dissuade any future takers? I know that sounds extreme and I probably won’t do it but I’m just mostly curious as to rather it would be legal or not.
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i662z51
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Not legal. You will go to jail when you hurt someone.
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Any device which is intended to injure or kill automatically is illegal. Use an alarm and/or security cameras instead
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Update 3 - Washington State: Neighbor is currently video recording me and has a camera directly pointed at my bedroom window. What can I do? Original post Update 1 Update 2 Remember how I said that the city prosecutor was all on board to help me finish this? Well, things have changed. The second pre-trial after the case was continued is coming up. I contacted the prosecutor to ask why the case was continued. Apparently the prosecutor went on an extended leave of absence and gave the case to another prosecutor. Okay, no big deal. I was given the contact of the new prosecutor, and emailed them to check for an update. No response. Two weeks have gone by, and two emails were sent with no response from the prosecutor. I even contacted the prosecutor's assistant, and no one has gotten back to me. Dead silence. To say that I am disappointed is an understatement. I don't know what to do, because the original prosecutor was so gung-ho about finishing this case and now I can't get ahold of anyone. This is so uncommon, because when I had questions before, usually I would get a phone call with an answer, and at least an email response. My neighbor keeps adding trash cans to the fence line. These are large, heavy duty cans with lids. I really don't know what it's about but it's making me extremely uneasy. This whole situation is seriously giving me anxiety and I just want it to be over. Radio silence from the only people who are trying to help me is making things so much worse. What should I do?
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dwab1jt
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This dude's bananas. You have a restraining order right?
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It's a lot harder to brush someone off when they're standing in your office rather than on the phone.
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Update 3 - Washington State: Neighbor is currently video recording me and has a camera directly pointed at my bedroom window. What can I do? Original post Update 1 Update 2 Remember how I said that the city prosecutor was all on board to help me finish this? Well, things have changed. The second pre-trial after the case was continued is coming up. I contacted the prosecutor to ask why the case was continued. Apparently the prosecutor went on an extended leave of absence and gave the case to another prosecutor. Okay, no big deal. I was given the contact of the new prosecutor, and emailed them to check for an update. No response. Two weeks have gone by, and two emails were sent with no response from the prosecutor. I even contacted the prosecutor's assistant, and no one has gotten back to me. Dead silence. To say that I am disappointed is an understatement. I don't know what to do, because the original prosecutor was so gung-ho about finishing this case and now I can't get ahold of anyone. This is so uncommon, because when I had questions before, usually I would get a phone call with an answer, and at least an email response. My neighbor keeps adding trash cans to the fence line. These are large, heavy duty cans with lids. I really don't know what it's about but it's making me extremely uneasy. This whole situation is seriously giving me anxiety and I just want it to be over. Radio silence from the only people who are trying to help me is making things so much worse. What should I do?
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dwab1vz
| 1,522,023,784 | 1,522,026,567 | 276 | 617 |
This dude's bananas. You have a restraining order right?
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You may need to pop in to the DAs office for a friendly visit and see if you get more traction getting information in person.
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874o01
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Update 3 - Washington State: Neighbor is currently video recording me and has a camera directly pointed at my bedroom window. What can I do? Original post Update 1 Update 2 Remember how I said that the city prosecutor was all on board to help me finish this? Well, things have changed. The second pre-trial after the case was continued is coming up. I contacted the prosecutor to ask why the case was continued. Apparently the prosecutor went on an extended leave of absence and gave the case to another prosecutor. Okay, no big deal. I was given the contact of the new prosecutor, and emailed them to check for an update. No response. Two weeks have gone by, and two emails were sent with no response from the prosecutor. I even contacted the prosecutor's assistant, and no one has gotten back to me. Dead silence. To say that I am disappointed is an understatement. I don't know what to do, because the original prosecutor was so gung-ho about finishing this case and now I can't get ahold of anyone. This is so uncommon, because when I had questions before, usually I would get a phone call with an answer, and at least an email response. My neighbor keeps adding trash cans to the fence line. These are large, heavy duty cans with lids. I really don't know what it's about but it's making me extremely uneasy. This whole situation is seriously giving me anxiety and I just want it to be over. Radio silence from the only people who are trying to help me is making things so much worse. What should I do?
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dwaitxs
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I remember you mentioning how the police are well aware of the situation have you informed them of what he is doing with the trash cans?
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There should be a victim’s coordinator in the prosecutor’s office. That’s who you should get ahold of. Is it with the county or the city prosecutor? The county carries a bigger stick, the federal offices even more so. I’m guessing it’s with the county at this point... Honestly, I think you should head down to the offices in person and find out what’s going on. The county prosecutor is an elected official and he/she has a duty to his/her constituents (you). You have every right to go down there and say you want a meeting and no one has been getting back to you and you are genuinely concerned for your well-being.
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Update 3 - Washington State: Neighbor is currently video recording me and has a camera directly pointed at my bedroom window. What can I do? Original post Update 1 Update 2 Remember how I said that the city prosecutor was all on board to help me finish this? Well, things have changed. The second pre-trial after the case was continued is coming up. I contacted the prosecutor to ask why the case was continued. Apparently the prosecutor went on an extended leave of absence and gave the case to another prosecutor. Okay, no big deal. I was given the contact of the new prosecutor, and emailed them to check for an update. No response. Two weeks have gone by, and two emails were sent with no response from the prosecutor. I even contacted the prosecutor's assistant, and no one has gotten back to me. Dead silence. To say that I am disappointed is an understatement. I don't know what to do, because the original prosecutor was so gung-ho about finishing this case and now I can't get ahold of anyone. This is so uncommon, because when I had questions before, usually I would get a phone call with an answer, and at least an email response. My neighbor keeps adding trash cans to the fence line. These are large, heavy duty cans with lids. I really don't know what it's about but it's making me extremely uneasy. This whole situation is seriously giving me anxiety and I just want it to be over. Radio silence from the only people who are trying to help me is making things so much worse. What should I do?
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dwajaep
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Here's what I would do: 1. Definitely throw some money at solving this. Put up a tall fence. Plant a bunch of shrubs. Get heavy duty blinds. Do whatever you have to to prevent the camera from getting anything interesting. Stop him from having any more satisfaction from all of this. A fence or blinds may be best so he can't go try to kill your plants. 2. I don't know how loud the sounds are but if they can be solved with ear plugs, use them. Ignore him and make him think you no longer care - perhaps he will lose interest. 3. Meanwhile, continue pursuing everything you have been, while also making some in person visits like others mentioned. Everything he has said to the police is without any evidence. You have a paper trail a mile long. You are in the right and you can prove it, they won't think you're crazy.
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Since he's not allowed within 25 feet of you, see if you can use that as a loop hole for the police to search the trash cans for things. Or to get him to relocate them to another part of his property that is at least 25 feet away from your's. At the least you can knock on a few of them to see if they are empty.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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Why do people do this? You literally have to live next to your neighbors until you move or die, why make it hard
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I represent a lot of clients in divorce and custody cases, where emotions often run high. I very often advise my clients that for strategic reasons, it's often in your best interest to take the high road, and to come across as the "voice of reason" in a dispute. Just about all areas of law come with a lot of subjectivity, and judges and commissioners (and particularly jurors) are human beings with their own emotions and prejudices. Even if you have the law on your side -- actually *especially* if you have the law on your side -- you want to come across as the reasonable person when there's a legal dispute. Don't give the fact-finder a reason to look for an excuse to screw you. In this particular case, you might have initially had a lot of facts on your side. The brightly colored fence - just on one side - was a bad strategic decision.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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I love posts when OP looks like a fool.
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I represent a lot of clients in divorce and custody cases, where emotions often run high. I very often advise my clients that for strategic reasons, it's often in your best interest to take the high road, and to come across as the "voice of reason" in a dispute. Just about all areas of law come with a lot of subjectivity, and judges and commissioners (and particularly jurors) are human beings with their own emotions and prejudices. Even if you have the law on your side -- actually *especially* if you have the law on your side -- you want to come across as the reasonable person when there's a legal dispute. Don't give the fact-finder a reason to look for an excuse to screw you. In this particular case, you might have initially had a lot of facts on your side. The brightly colored fence - just on one side - was a bad strategic decision.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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I represent a lot of clients in divorce and custody cases, where emotions often run high. I very often advise my clients that for strategic reasons, it's often in your best interest to take the high road, and to come across as the "voice of reason" in a dispute. Just about all areas of law come with a lot of subjectivity, and judges and commissioners (and particularly jurors) are human beings with their own emotions and prejudices. Even if you have the law on your side -- actually *especially* if you have the law on your side -- you want to come across as the reasonable person when there's a legal dispute. Don't give the fact-finder a reason to look for an excuse to screw you. In this particular case, you might have initially had a lot of facts on your side. The brightly colored fence - just on one side - was a bad strategic decision.
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Psh, I think that's a fucking BEAUTIFUL spite fence! If OP doesn't live inside an HOA or inside city limits that have an ordinance against it, there's no reason to take it down. It makes me think of Portland, Oregon. Quirky. I'd totally put that up in my yard.... But then again, I don't have any neighbors besides the trees.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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cq7vbol
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I think it's a pretty fence, OP. Very Florida. Can you add solar-powered rotating disco balls to the top? (They're more of a California thing, but still.)
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I represent a lot of clients in divorce and custody cases, where emotions often run high. I very often advise my clients that for strategic reasons, it's often in your best interest to take the high road, and to come across as the "voice of reason" in a dispute. Just about all areas of law come with a lot of subjectivity, and judges and commissioners (and particularly jurors) are human beings with their own emotions and prejudices. Even if you have the law on your side -- actually *especially* if you have the law on your side -- you want to come across as the reasonable person when there's a legal dispute. Don't give the fact-finder a reason to look for an excuse to screw you. In this particular case, you might have initially had a lot of facts on your side. The brightly colored fence - just on one side - was a bad strategic decision.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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/r/floridaman
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I represent a lot of clients in divorce and custody cases, where emotions often run high. I very often advise my clients that for strategic reasons, it's often in your best interest to take the high road, and to come across as the "voice of reason" in a dispute. Just about all areas of law come with a lot of subjectivity, and judges and commissioners (and particularly jurors) are human beings with their own emotions and prejudices. Even if you have the law on your side -- actually *especially* if you have the law on your side -- you want to come across as the reasonable person when there's a legal dispute. Don't give the fact-finder a reason to look for an excuse to screw you. In this particular case, you might have initially had a lot of facts on your side. The brightly colored fence - just on one side - was a bad strategic decision.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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That fence is beautiful.
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I represent a lot of clients in divorce and custody cases, where emotions often run high. I very often advise my clients that for strategic reasons, it's often in your best interest to take the high road, and to come across as the "voice of reason" in a dispute. Just about all areas of law come with a lot of subjectivity, and judges and commissioners (and particularly jurors) are human beings with their own emotions and prejudices. Even if you have the law on your side -- actually *especially* if you have the law on your side -- you want to come across as the reasonable person when there's a legal dispute. Don't give the fact-finder a reason to look for an excuse to screw you. In this particular case, you might have initially had a lot of facts on your side. The brightly colored fence - just on one side - was a bad strategic decision.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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I am all for being a mean spiteful person to dumbasses (god knows I do what I can to my ex and her family), but you at least have to be able to acknowledge what you are doing will bite you in the ass. I've flipped off my ex's mother several times and called her a bitch, and it isn't technically illegal, but I know that someday when I go to court over custody with my son if it gets before a judge my ass is going to be chewed out. Just admit that you'll make it harder in the future and prepare for it.
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I represent a lot of clients in divorce and custody cases, where emotions often run high. I very often advise my clients that for strategic reasons, it's often in your best interest to take the high road, and to come across as the "voice of reason" in a dispute. Just about all areas of law come with a lot of subjectivity, and judges and commissioners (and particularly jurors) are human beings with their own emotions and prejudices. Even if you have the law on your side -- actually *especially* if you have the law on your side -- you want to come across as the reasonable person when there's a legal dispute. Don't give the fact-finder a reason to look for an excuse to screw you. In this particular case, you might have initially had a lot of facts on your side. The brightly colored fence - just on one side - was a bad strategic decision.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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cq7vbol
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You could have simply informed the neighbor you would report the issue to your insurance company from the start and have let them handle it. Now you have had to buy a new fence (that may or may not be legal) and have an angry neighbor who may try and retaliate. Insurance is there so you can avoid these petty squabbles. But by all means, keep going to entertain the Reddit masses.
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I represent a lot of clients in divorce and custody cases, where emotions often run high. I very often advise my clients that for strategic reasons, it's often in your best interest to take the high road, and to come across as the "voice of reason" in a dispute. Just about all areas of law come with a lot of subjectivity, and judges and commissioners (and particularly jurors) are human beings with their own emotions and prejudices. Even if you have the law on your side -- actually *especially* if you have the law on your side -- you want to come across as the reasonable person when there's a legal dispute. Don't give the fact-finder a reason to look for an excuse to screw you. In this particular case, you might have initially had a lot of facts on your side. The brightly colored fence - just on one side - was a bad strategic decision.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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cq7ppvj
| 1,428,672,952 | 1,428,674,013 | 15 | 68 |
That fence is beautiful.
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Why do people do this? You literally have to live next to your neighbors until you move or die, why make it hard
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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Psh, I think that's a fucking BEAUTIFUL spite fence! If OP doesn't live inside an HOA or inside city limits that have an ordinance against it, there's no reason to take it down. It makes me think of Portland, Oregon. Quirky. I'd totally put that up in my yard.... But then again, I don't have any neighbors besides the trees.
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I love posts when OP looks like a fool.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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That fence is beautiful.
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I love posts when OP looks like a fool.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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Psh, I think that's a fucking BEAUTIFUL spite fence! If OP doesn't live inside an HOA or inside city limits that have an ordinance against it, there's no reason to take it down. It makes me think of Portland, Oregon. Quirky. I'd totally put that up in my yard.... But then again, I don't have any neighbors besides the trees.
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I think all the lawyers posting here are missing the point: By doing what he did he created more litigation, more work for lawyers and isn't that a good thing? As I always say: "better living through litigation." Have a blessed day OP and thank you thank you thank you. I think the Florida Bar Association should build a statue in your honor.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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cq7p6pi
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Psh, I think that's a fucking BEAUTIFUL spite fence! If OP doesn't live inside an HOA or inside city limits that have an ordinance against it, there's no reason to take it down. It makes me think of Portland, Oregon. Quirky. I'd totally put that up in my yard.... But then again, I don't have any neighbors besides the trees.
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That fence is beautiful.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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I think all the lawyers posting here are missing the point: By doing what he did he created more litigation, more work for lawyers and isn't that a good thing? As I always say: "better living through litigation." Have a blessed day OP and thank you thank you thank you. I think the Florida Bar Association should build a statue in your honor.
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I think it's a pretty fence, OP. Very Florida. Can you add solar-powered rotating disco balls to the top? (They're more of a California thing, but still.)
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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cq7r0nn
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That fence is beautiful.
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I think it's a pretty fence, OP. Very Florida. Can you add solar-powered rotating disco balls to the top? (They're more of a California thing, but still.)
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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I think all the lawyers posting here are missing the point: By doing what he did he created more litigation, more work for lawyers and isn't that a good thing? As I always say: "better living through litigation." Have a blessed day OP and thank you thank you thank you. I think the Florida Bar Association should build a statue in your honor.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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That fence is beautiful.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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I think all the lawyers posting here are missing the point: By doing what he did he created more litigation, more work for lawyers and isn't that a good thing? As I always say: "better living through litigation." Have a blessed day OP and thank you thank you thank you. I think the Florida Bar Association should build a statue in your honor.
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That fence is beautiful.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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I think all the lawyers posting here are missing the point: By doing what he did he created more litigation, more work for lawyers and isn't that a good thing? As I always say: "better living through litigation." Have a blessed day OP and thank you thank you thank you. I think the Florida Bar Association should build a statue in your honor.
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I am all for being a mean spiteful person to dumbasses (god knows I do what I can to my ex and her family), but you at least have to be able to acknowledge what you are doing will bite you in the ass. I've flipped off my ex's mother several times and called her a bitch, and it isn't technically illegal, but I know that someday when I go to court over custody with my son if it gets before a judge my ass is going to be chewed out. Just admit that you'll make it harder in the future and prepare for it.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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I think all the lawyers posting here are missing the point: By doing what he did he created more litigation, more work for lawyers and isn't that a good thing? As I always say: "better living through litigation." Have a blessed day OP and thank you thank you thank you. I think the Florida Bar Association should build a statue in your honor.
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jesus man. at some point you're going to get fucked on this. Just because you call someone an "ambulance chaser" doesn't mean they can't get a judgement.
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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cq7ujpu
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I think all the lawyers posting here are missing the point: By doing what he did he created more litigation, more work for lawyers and isn't that a good thing? As I always say: "better living through litigation." Have a blessed day OP and thank you thank you thank you. I think the Florida Bar Association should build a statue in your honor.
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You could have simply informed the neighbor you would report the issue to your insurance company from the start and have let them handle it. Now you have had to buy a new fence (that may or may not be legal) and have an angry neighbor who may try and retaliate. Insurance is there so you can avoid these petty squabbles. But by all means, keep going to entertain the Reddit masses.
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3248pf
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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Op, you realize that your previous posts were pretty well seen where you were talking about erecting the most annoying fence you could to piss off your neighbor. What do you think are the odds that some one that your neighbor knows saw your posts and put two and two together? I would say pretty good. Why on earth would you decide to go the nuclear option and destroy what was at least a civil relationship with your neighbor over something that would have been settled through your home owners insurance. Now you have a war on your hands. You have to fear for the life of your dog; the stress of dealing with some one who lives on the other side of your fence who hates you and over what? A few hundred dollars that you very likely wouldn't have had to pay out of your pocket? I really don't understand your logic here at all. Now there are likely to be lawsuits and possibly more cameras installed with lots of money spent and you are both probably going to be miserable until one of you moves away. Was it worth it?
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I think all the lawyers posting here are missing the point: By doing what he did he created more litigation, more work for lawyers and isn't that a good thing? As I always say: "better living through litigation." Have a blessed day OP and thank you thank you thank you. I think the Florida Bar Association should build a statue in your honor.
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3248pf
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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I am all for being a mean spiteful person to dumbasses (god knows I do what I can to my ex and her family), but you at least have to be able to acknowledge what you are doing will bite you in the ass. I've flipped off my ex's mother several times and called her a bitch, and it isn't technically illegal, but I know that someday when I go to court over custody with my son if it gets before a judge my ass is going to be chewed out. Just admit that you'll make it harder in the future and prepare for it.
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jesus man. at some point you're going to get fucked on this. Just because you call someone an "ambulance chaser" doesn't mean they can't get a judgement.
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3248pf
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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jesus man. at some point you're going to get fucked on this. Just because you call someone an "ambulance chaser" doesn't mean they can't get a judgement.
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You could have simply informed the neighbor you would report the issue to your insurance company from the start and have let them handle it. Now you have had to buy a new fence (that may or may not be legal) and have an angry neighbor who may try and retaliate. Insurance is there so you can avoid these petty squabbles. But by all means, keep going to entertain the Reddit masses.
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3248pf
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UPDATE: UPDATE: Neighbor trespassed and was biten...crap has gone off the rails!! Pitchforks! Fences!! Lawyers! Oh my! Original post: (FLORIDA) My next door neighbor of 12 years has a lawn care business and has done my yard the entire time I've lived here. He has always, always, ALWAYS checked with me before going in the back yard...expect this time. We were out of town a couple weeks ago. The neighbor (let's call him Joe) and his friend (how about calling him Ray) were doing the mowing, edging, and weed eating of the yards on their route. Joe came to our door and rang the bell. No one answered and the dog, Clifford, barked for at least 90 seconds solid. Joe and Ray decided to enter the backyard fence anyway. Clifford went out the pet door and bit Ray on the leg. Ray chased the dog with the weed eater and yelled. Ray left and returned with a pitchfork. He stood at the back door screaming for the dog to come back outside so Ray could "bury" him and that it was "time to die mother fucker." Did I mention I have all this on surveillance video?? Anyway, I get a phone call from the neighbor's wife informing me Ray was bitten and going to the hospital. When we returned home two days later, Ray and Joe came over and demanded I pay the medical bills. Apparently there was a puncture wound that required a bandaid. I declined and asked why they came inside the fence without permission when Joe had always received explicit consent before going out back. Joe said he assumed someone was home even though there were no cars in the driveway and no one answered the door. Clearly, this guy uses an entirely different logic algorithm than I do. Joe and Ray stomped off back to their home next door. Half an hour later Joe sent me text messages informing me he was taking down our shared fence that is technically on his property. HUH???? Because he couldn't shake me down for medical bills he is removing the fence to punish me? This guy is an irrational, unreasonable bully!! The fence was removed on Saturday and I'm currently getting estimates for a replacement. And I received a letter from one of the local ambulance chasing law firms asking for my homeowner's insurance info. Eff off. You will get that info only when I'm legally compelled to disclose it during discovery. C R A Z Y NEW FENCE: http://imgur.com/T22jW8c View from inside my backyard: http://imgur.com/8vwlKNw The dog is happy: http://imgur.com/NmUNVNl I did contact my insurance company. They sent an adjuster to get recorded statements, copies of the surveillance, animal control report, print outs of the screen shots, and the letter from the lawyer. I've heard nothing else from the lawyer or insurance company. Yet.
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Op, you realize that your previous posts were pretty well seen where you were talking about erecting the most annoying fence you could to piss off your neighbor. What do you think are the odds that some one that your neighbor knows saw your posts and put two and two together? I would say pretty good. Why on earth would you decide to go the nuclear option and destroy what was at least a civil relationship with your neighbor over something that would have been settled through your home owners insurance. Now you have a war on your hands. You have to fear for the life of your dog; the stress of dealing with some one who lives on the other side of your fence who hates you and over what? A few hundred dollars that you very likely wouldn't have had to pay out of your pocket? I really don't understand your logic here at all. Now there are likely to be lawsuits and possibly more cameras installed with lots of money spent and you are both probably going to be miserable until one of you moves away. Was it worth it?
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You could have simply informed the neighbor you would report the issue to your insurance company from the start and have let them handle it. Now you have had to buy a new fence (that may or may not be legal) and have an angry neighbor who may try and retaliate. Insurance is there so you can avoid these petty squabbles. But by all means, keep going to entertain the Reddit masses.
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In Texas state, I was the passenger of a vehicle that got pulled over for speeding but the officer wrote my info down on the speeding ticket and not the drivers...what typically happens in these scenarios? Title sums it up: * Friend was driving his truck that's registered to him * I was merely the passenger * Cop handed the citation back to my friend * We just noticed the name, DL info was mine and not his Thank you.
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How did the cop even have your information?
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if it was me I would call the prosecutor not the cop. Tell him what happened and see what he says. If you are willing to you could go through the court process and when it comes time for trial you could testify that you weren't the one driving and the judge SHOULD find you not guilty. but I could also envision the cop showing up to testify and just say that you were driving... because he honestly won't remember and will have written hundreds more by then. So, maybe you should call the police dept and ask for the cop and explain the situation.... he might remember Monday that he screwed up and help you take care of getting it dismissed. I doubt very seriously the real driver would ever get charged.... you are just one of many tickets and he will admit he screwed up and move on. Or you could call the prosecutor and see what he says. If it was me (I'm a traffic prosecutor) I would call the cop and explain. If he agreed with you I would dismiss it. If he disagreed I would tell you to jump through the court process. You can also request the in car video to prove your point. I'm sure this process is different for all jurisdictions. For mine I would order it for you but we are pretty accommodating and have a small jurisdiction.
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(MO)(CA) I was pulled over in southern Indiana for speeding, no ticket, but the officer notified me of a warrant for my arrest I'm at a loss, I was traveling to southern Indiana to see some family and I was pulled over at about 2am for speeding. When the officer looked up my Missouri drivers license information he said there was a warrant for my California. The last time I was in California I was about 12 years old. Unfortunately I was so shocked that I didn't ask a lot of questions so I'm not sure what county the warrant is in. a week prior to this trip I went to Montreal and had no issues with my passport. I figure if there's a warrant it would also be attached to that? I don't know. is there any advice you guys can give me?
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dmv67kx
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dmv67t6
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You should get in touch with a criminal defense attorney in California. They can find out what is going on with the warrant and help you plan a strategy to deal with it. Since you weren't arrested, it's likely a misdemeanor warrant. It could be a mistake as well, clerical errors happen.
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Could be someone with the same name and very close DOB and the officer or dispatcher made an error. Could be someone with the exact same name and DOB has a warrant in California Could be someone was caught committing a crime and used your information.
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5b55wf
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h5b7m62
| 1,626,376,218 | 1,626,377,320 | 366 | 581 |
Did the sender of the package buy insurance for the shipment?
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Do you trust the sender? The package should have been weighed upon pickup I would imagine I wonder if it weighed light or right
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bxb0d
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h5bqgdl
| 1,626,388,973 | 1,626,385,705 | 242 | 155 |
This is always a worry when shipping high value packages. For reference, this is why with Registered Mail packages, you cannot have any of the edges showing, and the package is covered in tape and stamped. Thus, it prevents entry and any package that is tampered is refused. Similarly high value packages at UPS must be double boxed as a minimum and not simply be able to be retaped(think the express boxes where opening it ruins the box). Of course this only helps you in the future. As for your claim, I would expect that UPS won’t do much, especially from their perspective. The only time we have had luck internally was when our driver was caught stealing packages after a series of packages along his route went missing. Insurance itself wouldn’t have been helpful as the question is can they catch him stealing it which is very hard. Better and safer packaging is critical when shipping valuables. The first step would be to request the weights of the package at various centers
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Unfortunately you are probably out of luck. I work for a small cell phone company and we constantly ship phones. We had a package of about six phones go missing valued at $5,000. Unfortunately because we did not purchase the additional insurance the maximum we could be refunded was $100. Even though the package was lost at a UPS sorting facility. UPS's official position is it doesn't matter, there's an inherent risk when shipping things and if you want to be covered purchase the insurance. We argued and argued with them and got no where. YMMV. Good luck my friend.
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bxb0d
| 1,626,388,278 | 1,626,388,973 | 90 | 242 |
If the server parts were "not fixable", how are you valuing them at $7k? I understand that new parts would cost that, but how can broken parts be valued to high?
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This is always a worry when shipping high value packages. For reference, this is why with Registered Mail packages, you cannot have any of the edges showing, and the package is covered in tape and stamped. Thus, it prevents entry and any package that is tampered is refused. Similarly high value packages at UPS must be double boxed as a minimum and not simply be able to be retaped(think the express boxes where opening it ruins the box). Of course this only helps you in the future. As for your claim, I would expect that UPS won’t do much, especially from their perspective. The only time we have had luck internally was when our driver was caught stealing packages after a series of packages along his route went missing. Insurance itself wouldn’t have been helpful as the question is can they catch him stealing it which is very hard. Better and safer packaging is critical when shipping valuables. The first step would be to request the weights of the package at various centers
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bxb0d
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h5bvco9
| 1,626,388,973 | 1,626,388,027 | 242 | 82 |
This is always a worry when shipping high value packages. For reference, this is why with Registered Mail packages, you cannot have any of the edges showing, and the package is covered in tape and stamped. Thus, it prevents entry and any package that is tampered is refused. Similarly high value packages at UPS must be double boxed as a minimum and not simply be able to be retaped(think the express boxes where opening it ruins the box). Of course this only helps you in the future. As for your claim, I would expect that UPS won’t do much, especially from their perspective. The only time we have had luck internally was when our driver was caught stealing packages after a series of packages along his route went missing. Insurance itself wouldn’t have been helpful as the question is can they catch him stealing it which is very hard. Better and safer packaging is critical when shipping valuables. The first step would be to request the weights of the package at various centers
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Ask them for documentation showing the weight of the item at each scan event (every time they scanned it along the journey). They have it in their system and you should be able to use it to determine whether or not anything was taken out during transit. If the package has a significantly different weight when it arrived at the Houston hub than when it was scanned the time before that, for example, then you will have proof that they are liable.
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bno9o
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h5bxb0d
| 1,626,384,420 | 1,626,388,973 | 61 | 242 |
Isn't it grand theft at this point since the item in question is over $1000, you should definitely for a police report
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This is always a worry when shipping high value packages. For reference, this is why with Registered Mail packages, you cannot have any of the edges showing, and the package is covered in tape and stamped. Thus, it prevents entry and any package that is tampered is refused. Similarly high value packages at UPS must be double boxed as a minimum and not simply be able to be retaped(think the express boxes where opening it ruins the box). Of course this only helps you in the future. As for your claim, I would expect that UPS won’t do much, especially from their perspective. The only time we have had luck internally was when our driver was caught stealing packages after a series of packages along his route went missing. Insurance itself wouldn’t have been helpful as the question is can they catch him stealing it which is very hard. Better and safer packaging is critical when shipping valuables. The first step would be to request the weights of the package at various centers
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
| 0.98 |
Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bxb0d
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h5bvkza
| 1,626,388,973 | 1,626,388,138 | 242 | 46 |
This is always a worry when shipping high value packages. For reference, this is why with Registered Mail packages, you cannot have any of the edges showing, and the package is covered in tape and stamped. Thus, it prevents entry and any package that is tampered is refused. Similarly high value packages at UPS must be double boxed as a minimum and not simply be able to be retaped(think the express boxes where opening it ruins the box). Of course this only helps you in the future. As for your claim, I would expect that UPS won’t do much, especially from their perspective. The only time we have had luck internally was when our driver was caught stealing packages after a series of packages along his route went missing. Insurance itself wouldn’t have been helpful as the question is can they catch him stealing it which is very hard. Better and safer packaging is critical when shipping valuables. The first step would be to request the weights of the package at various centers
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I honestly don't think you'll get a suitable resolution on this, but I hope you take this as a lesson: always insure your packages.
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bxb0d
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h5bq3be
| 1,626,388,973 | 1,626,385,533 | 242 | 29 |
This is always a worry when shipping high value packages. For reference, this is why with Registered Mail packages, you cannot have any of the edges showing, and the package is covered in tape and stamped. Thus, it prevents entry and any package that is tampered is refused. Similarly high value packages at UPS must be double boxed as a minimum and not simply be able to be retaped(think the express boxes where opening it ruins the box). Of course this only helps you in the future. As for your claim, I would expect that UPS won’t do much, especially from their perspective. The only time we have had luck internally was when our driver was caught stealing packages after a series of packages along his route went missing. Insurance itself wouldn’t have been helpful as the question is can they catch him stealing it which is very hard. Better and safer packaging is critical when shipping valuables. The first step would be to request the weights of the package at various centers
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7k may be beyond small claims. I’d get a lawyer and pay them to sort it out.
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bno9o
| 1,626,385,705 | 1,626,384,420 | 155 | 61 |
Unfortunately you are probably out of luck. I work for a small cell phone company and we constantly ship phones. We had a package of about six phones go missing valued at $5,000. Unfortunately because we did not purchase the additional insurance the maximum we could be refunded was $100. Even though the package was lost at a UPS sorting facility. UPS's official position is it doesn't matter, there's an inherent risk when shipping things and if you want to be covered purchase the insurance. We argued and argued with them and got no where. YMMV. Good luck my friend.
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Isn't it grand theft at this point since the item in question is over $1000, you should definitely for a police report
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okzl61
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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7k may be beyond small claims. I’d get a lawyer and pay them to sort it out.
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Unfortunately you are probably out of luck. I work for a small cell phone company and we constantly ship phones. We had a package of about six phones go missing valued at $5,000. Unfortunately because we did not purchase the additional insurance the maximum we could be refunded was $100. Even though the package was lost at a UPS sorting facility. UPS's official position is it doesn't matter, there's an inherent risk when shipping things and if you want to be covered purchase the insurance. We argued and argued with them and got no where. YMMV. Good luck my friend.
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bvvdn
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Ask them for documentation showing the weight of the item at each scan event (every time they scanned it along the journey). They have it in their system and you should be able to use it to determine whether or not anything was taken out during transit. If the package has a significantly different weight when it arrived at the Houston hub than when it was scanned the time before that, for example, then you will have proof that they are liable.
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If the server parts were "not fixable", how are you valuing them at $7k? I understand that new parts would cost that, but how can broken parts be valued to high?
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okzl61
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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If the server parts were "not fixable", how are you valuing them at $7k? I understand that new parts would cost that, but how can broken parts be valued to high?
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Isn't it grand theft at this point since the item in question is over $1000, you should definitely for a police report
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bvvdn
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I honestly don't think you'll get a suitable resolution on this, but I hope you take this as a lesson: always insure your packages.
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If the server parts were "not fixable", how are you valuing them at $7k? I understand that new parts would cost that, but how can broken parts be valued to high?
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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If the server parts were "not fixable", how are you valuing them at $7k? I understand that new parts would cost that, but how can broken parts be valued to high?
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7k may be beyond small claims. I’d get a lawyer and pay them to sort it out.
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bno9o
| 1,626,388,027 | 1,626,384,420 | 82 | 61 |
Ask them for documentation showing the weight of the item at each scan event (every time they scanned it along the journey). They have it in their system and you should be able to use it to determine whether or not anything was taken out during transit. If the package has a significantly different weight when it arrived at the Houston hub than when it was scanned the time before that, for example, then you will have proof that they are liable.
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Isn't it grand theft at this point since the item in question is over $1000, you should definitely for a police report
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bvco9
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7k may be beyond small claims. I’d get a lawyer and pay them to sort it out.
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Ask them for documentation showing the weight of the item at each scan event (every time they scanned it along the journey). They have it in their system and you should be able to use it to determine whether or not anything was taken out during transit. If the package has a significantly different weight when it arrived at the Houston hub than when it was scanned the time before that, for example, then you will have proof that they are liable.
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bno9o
| 1,626,389,259 | 1,626,384,420 | 72 | 61 |
If the equipment was recently purchased with a credit card you could check if the credit card offers purchase protection in case of theft. Some credit cards as a perk will reimburse you for recently bought items that were stolen. If you or your partner rent and have rental insurance the insurance might cover the theft.
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Isn't it grand theft at this point since the item in question is over $1000, you should definitely for a police report
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bxw0x
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I honestly don't think you'll get a suitable resolution on this, but I hope you take this as a lesson: always insure your packages.
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If the equipment was recently purchased with a credit card you could check if the credit card offers purchase protection in case of theft. Some credit cards as a perk will reimburse you for recently bought items that were stolen. If you or your partner rent and have rental insurance the insurance might cover the theft.
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okzl61
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legaladvice_train
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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h5bxw0x
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h5bq3be
| 1,626,389,259 | 1,626,385,533 | 72 | 29 |
If the equipment was recently purchased with a credit card you could check if the credit card offers purchase protection in case of theft. Some credit cards as a perk will reimburse you for recently bought items that were stolen. If you or your partner rent and have rental insurance the insurance might cover the theft.
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7k may be beyond small claims. I’d get a lawyer and pay them to sort it out.
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okzl61
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Someone internal at UPS stole $7000 dollars in computer parts, delivered me an empty box, and denied my claim as the box wasn't damaged? Title. The Backstory: I run a community that hosts game servers. We use the income generated from these servers to pay for the rental on our full rack of owned equipment in a datacenter in Dallas,TX. We had a technician damage both the motherboard and processor in a botched CPU cooler install (dont ask). So we pulled the entire server and the technician dropped it off at my partner’s house. My partner (who lives in Texas, I live in Wisconsin) broke down the server and tried to troubleshoot it further. He took a picture of the motherboard, processor, memory and drives. Since it was not fixable, he put it into the box. **He has a Ring doorbell and a recording of UPS picking up the package that also matches the timestamp recorded on the tracking number. The UPS agent didn’t put the box in the back. He put the box in the front - we have all this on video!** There wasn't any other activity before the box was picked up. It was sent to me via 2nd day air with UPS as the courier. Fast forward to 4 days later, I get the box delivered to me. I met the driver as soon as he dropped it and the package was outside for not even 30 seconds. Upon picking up the box I realized something was very wrong as it felt extremely light. **I have a video of me opening the package from start to finish.** The package was completely empty aside from the packing material inside. Looking over the box, someone cut open the bottom of it, put a single piece of packing tape horizontally across to hold the bottom together. I immediately inform my partner that someone internal to UPS has stolen the contents of the package. My partner contacts UPS and explains the situation. UPS opens a claim as a “damaged box” as you cant claim anything else conveniently. They then want to schedule a pickup of said box. They picked up my box yesterday and closed/denied the claim today with the following: **“Merchandise is missing. UPS will notify the sender with additional details. / All merchandising missing, empty carton was discarded. UPS will notify the sender with details of the damage.”** What blows me away is someone internal at UPS KNEW what was in my box and took it all and I’m out my investment and the revenue stream. At this point I’m at a loss as to what to do next. Small Claims? I uploaded all my invoices of the items that were stolen, screencaps from the video of me opening the empty box with the single piece of tape on the bottom but none of it mattered as the box wasn't damaged? **TLDR; Someone internal at UPS stole the internals to my server and refuses to acknowledge I was delivered an empty box.**
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| 1,626,385,533 | 1,626,388,138 | 29 | 46 |
7k may be beyond small claims. I’d get a lawyer and pay them to sort it out.
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I honestly don't think you'll get a suitable resolution on this, but I hope you take this as a lesson: always insure your packages.
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oby1kz
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Is it okay for my landlord to enter my apartment so often? I’m 18f in PA, US. I moved into my apartment exactly 4 months ago, it’s a split-level home made into 3 separate apartments. Since I moved in my landlord has entered my apartment unannounced multiple times every week. His reasons for entering vary, but sometimes he says it’s because he’s making repairs and things are never really ever fixed. I asked if he would give me 24 hours notice before visiting but he says he doesn’t have to because it’s a verbal lease and he’s too busy to know that far ahead when he’ll be here. My rent is always early because he requests it early, so late rent isn’t an issue. Is this legal for him to do this?
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h3qty54
| 1,625,232,590 | 1,625,183,853 | 56 | 52 |
Check for hidden cameras. Him entering but not repairing is weird. Also put a hidden camera of your on to see what he is doing. If you can't afford hide your phone when he comes in then leave for a little while. He is being very sus.
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PA does not have a law requiring notice to enter. You could ask him for a lease with those conditions included.
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oby1kz
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Is it okay for my landlord to enter my apartment so often? I’m 18f in PA, US. I moved into my apartment exactly 4 months ago, it’s a split-level home made into 3 separate apartments. Since I moved in my landlord has entered my apartment unannounced multiple times every week. His reasons for entering vary, but sometimes he says it’s because he’s making repairs and things are never really ever fixed. I asked if he would give me 24 hours notice before visiting but he says he doesn’t have to because it’s a verbal lease and he’s too busy to know that far ahead when he’ll be here. My rent is always early because he requests it early, so late rent isn’t an issue. Is this legal for him to do this?
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h3rqr7i
| 1,625,232,590 | 1,625,202,032 | 56 | 55 |
Check for hidden cameras. Him entering but not repairing is weird. Also put a hidden camera of your on to see what he is doing. If you can't afford hide your phone when he comes in then leave for a little while. He is being very sus.
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Get a door stop to prevent him entering when you're home.
| 1 | 30,558 | 1.018182 |
oby1kz
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Is it okay for my landlord to enter my apartment so often? I’m 18f in PA, US. I moved into my apartment exactly 4 months ago, it’s a split-level home made into 3 separate apartments. Since I moved in my landlord has entered my apartment unannounced multiple times every week. His reasons for entering vary, but sometimes he says it’s because he’s making repairs and things are never really ever fixed. I asked if he would give me 24 hours notice before visiting but he says he doesn’t have to because it’s a verbal lease and he’s too busy to know that far ahead when he’ll be here. My rent is always early because he requests it early, so late rent isn’t an issue. Is this legal for him to do this?
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h3swa4t
| 1,625,200,787 | 1,625,232,590 | 33 | 56 |
PA does not have a notice law, but local ordinances may require it. PA does have a right to quiet enjoyment for tenants. Basically the landlord is not allowed to take actions that disturb your use and enjoyment of the property. Is his consistently entering your apartment multiple times a week keeping you from using it as you otherwise would? Also, he cannot ask for your rent early. If your verbal lease is a month to month starting the first of each month and that’s when you initially agreed to pay him he can’t really just randomly say to pay it earlier without first giving you 30 days notice of the change to the terms of your agreement. Then again if you choose not to give it early he can just give you notice of termination of your tenancy. And just to be clear, this is not normal landlord behavior. The apartment is supposed to come in habitable condition and maybe some minor repairs he may have missed. But it’s really unusual and unsettling that an older male landlord would consistently enter without notice on a young female tenant without good reason. He’s also obviously not that busy if he’s there that much.
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Check for hidden cameras. Him entering but not repairing is weird. Also put a hidden camera of your on to see what he is doing. If you can't afford hide your phone when he comes in then leave for a little while. He is being very sus.
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oby1kz
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legaladvice_train
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Is it okay for my landlord to enter my apartment so often? I’m 18f in PA, US. I moved into my apartment exactly 4 months ago, it’s a split-level home made into 3 separate apartments. Since I moved in my landlord has entered my apartment unannounced multiple times every week. His reasons for entering vary, but sometimes he says it’s because he’s making repairs and things are never really ever fixed. I asked if he would give me 24 hours notice before visiting but he says he doesn’t have to because it’s a verbal lease and he’s too busy to know that far ahead when he’ll be here. My rent is always early because he requests it early, so late rent isn’t an issue. Is this legal for him to do this?
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h3sku88
| 1,625,232,590 | 1,625,225,879 | 56 | 31 |
Check for hidden cameras. Him entering but not repairing is weird. Also put a hidden camera of your on to see what he is doing. If you can't afford hide your phone when he comes in then leave for a little while. He is being very sus.
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I am not a lawyer - I would put a very visible camera in the common area recording and backed up to a cloud. This is not normal landlord behavior but since you have a verbal lease and Pa allows for entry without notification, there isn't much else you can do.
| 1 | 6,711 | 1.806452 |
oby1kz
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legaladvice_train
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Is it okay for my landlord to enter my apartment so often? I’m 18f in PA, US. I moved into my apartment exactly 4 months ago, it’s a split-level home made into 3 separate apartments. Since I moved in my landlord has entered my apartment unannounced multiple times every week. His reasons for entering vary, but sometimes he says it’s because he’s making repairs and things are never really ever fixed. I asked if he would give me 24 hours notice before visiting but he says he doesn’t have to because it’s a verbal lease and he’s too busy to know that far ahead when he’ll be here. My rent is always early because he requests it early, so late rent isn’t an issue. Is this legal for him to do this?
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| 1,625,182,460 | 1,625,232,590 | 2 | 56 |
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Check for hidden cameras. Him entering but not repairing is weird. Also put a hidden camera of your on to see what he is doing. If you can't afford hide your phone when he comes in then leave for a little while. He is being very sus.
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oby1kz
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legaladvice_train
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Is it okay for my landlord to enter my apartment so often? I’m 18f in PA, US. I moved into my apartment exactly 4 months ago, it’s a split-level home made into 3 separate apartments. Since I moved in my landlord has entered my apartment unannounced multiple times every week. His reasons for entering vary, but sometimes he says it’s because he’s making repairs and things are never really ever fixed. I asked if he would give me 24 hours notice before visiting but he says he doesn’t have to because it’s a verbal lease and he’s too busy to know that far ahead when he’ll be here. My rent is always early because he requests it early, so late rent isn’t an issue. Is this legal for him to do this?
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| 1,625,183,853 | 1,625,202,032 | 52 | 55 |
PA does not have a law requiring notice to enter. You could ask him for a lease with those conditions included.
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Get a door stop to prevent him entering when you're home.
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