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ajv4ky | legaladvice_train | 0.92 | A thousand dollars went missing from the store I work at and I am being accused of stealing it. (M/21) (NY state) Basically the title here. I apologize beforehand if this isnt well put together or long and rambling. Also before this starts I understand fully that the situation in general is my fault but the actual crime definitely wasnt me. I work at an authorized retailer for a cell phone company. On January 3rd, $1,005.78 went missing that was supposed to be deposited in the safe. I was in fact working that night and closed the store so it was my responsibility to get that money in the safe. When I left that night, on my way home I thought I didn't put the deposit bag in the safe so I went back to the store to check. I informed my boss that I was going back in the store because i thought i forgot to do something. I didn't see it so I thought I was just being paranoid. So about a week later my boss asks me if I knew what happened to the deposit from January 3rd and I explained what happened and how I thought I had put it in the safe and reminded him of the message I sent him because I didn't want to be blamed for the loss of that much money. So he says he understands and has the police come. They question me and my boss and my boss explains the situation. Also the cameras have a 5 day rerecord over time. Fast forward to yesterday, a detective calls me on my phone basically saying it was definitely me who took the money and basically trying to get me to confess to something I hadn't done. He said all the evidence points towards me and there's nothing saying I didn't do it and how it was suspicious that I went back in and like I said just generally trying to get me to confess. But I very much didn't take money from my work place. He said I could go in to a polygraph test but I'm still afraid this will be all pegged on me and dont know what to do. I'm kind of afraid of what's going to happen since I've never really been in trouble with the law and I cant really afford to go to jail especially for something I didn't do at all. What should I do? Is there anything I can even do at all? Sorry this was so long and drawn out. | eez7itp | eez0pco | 1,548,464,694 | 1,548,459,428 | 21 | 15 | Cops are like everyone else. They are lazy, and don't really like to work, so they'll always go for the lowest-hanging fruit, like speed traps, or the last person who was supposed to touch the money: you. | I am not a lawyer. Get a criminal defense attorney as soon as charges are pressed and you are arrested. Do not talk to any police or detectives without a lawyer present and certainly do not take a polygraph test. All the evidence they have is circumstantial. They can’t prove it. | 1 | 5,266 | 1.4 |
ajv4ky | legaladvice_train | 0.92 | A thousand dollars went missing from the store I work at and I am being accused of stealing it. (M/21) (NY state) Basically the title here. I apologize beforehand if this isnt well put together or long and rambling. Also before this starts I understand fully that the situation in general is my fault but the actual crime definitely wasnt me. I work at an authorized retailer for a cell phone company. On January 3rd, $1,005.78 went missing that was supposed to be deposited in the safe. I was in fact working that night and closed the store so it was my responsibility to get that money in the safe. When I left that night, on my way home I thought I didn't put the deposit bag in the safe so I went back to the store to check. I informed my boss that I was going back in the store because i thought i forgot to do something. I didn't see it so I thought I was just being paranoid. So about a week later my boss asks me if I knew what happened to the deposit from January 3rd and I explained what happened and how I thought I had put it in the safe and reminded him of the message I sent him because I didn't want to be blamed for the loss of that much money. So he says he understands and has the police come. They question me and my boss and my boss explains the situation. Also the cameras have a 5 day rerecord over time. Fast forward to yesterday, a detective calls me on my phone basically saying it was definitely me who took the money and basically trying to get me to confess to something I hadn't done. He said all the evidence points towards me and there's nothing saying I didn't do it and how it was suspicious that I went back in and like I said just generally trying to get me to confess. But I very much didn't take money from my work place. He said I could go in to a polygraph test but I'm still afraid this will be all pegged on me and dont know what to do. I'm kind of afraid of what's going to happen since I've never really been in trouble with the law and I cant really afford to go to jail especially for something I didn't do at all. What should I do? Is there anything I can even do at all? Sorry this was so long and drawn out. | eeznnp2 | ef0cmoy | 1,548,477,865 | 1,548,505,731 | 3 | 5 | Did they talk to whoever opened the store the next morning? | What is the explanation behind waiting a week to investigate a missing deposit? You say the cameras only go back 5 days meaning there is no evidence now of what happened to it. That is a huge red flag. | 0 | 27,866 | 1.666667 |
9drcye | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | My friend (19) was raped by a minor (15)- statutory vs. forcible rape \[NEW YORK\] Hi, my friend just confided in me that she was raped numerous times over the past year by a 15 year old boy. She is 19. She blames herself for allowing it to occur. She is scared of talking to a therapist about it because of the legality. She understands that in her state, by having sex with a minor she has committed statutory rape in the second degree. However, he forced himself on her and had vaginal and anal sex with her despite her saying no. He did not use a condom. She says that she had to buy Plan B 4 times. This 15 year old has also had non-consensual sex with a 17 year old and recorded and shared the video with some of his friends. I would like to know from people who fully understand the law if in a court case, statutory rape in the second degree from her or forcible rape by him would take liability. This is a horrible situation and I just want to help her but I don't know how. Thank you to anyone who can provide advice. | e5jiq5u | e5jiqu3 | 1,536,299,588 | 1,536,299,616 | 3 | 97 | ---
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9drcye | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | My friend (19) was raped by a minor (15)- statutory vs. forcible rape \[NEW YORK\] Hi, my friend just confided in me that she was raped numerous times over the past year by a 15 year old boy. She is 19. She blames herself for allowing it to occur. She is scared of talking to a therapist about it because of the legality. She understands that in her state, by having sex with a minor she has committed statutory rape in the second degree. However, he forced himself on her and had vaginal and anal sex with her despite her saying no. He did not use a condom. She says that she had to buy Plan B 4 times. This 15 year old has also had non-consensual sex with a 17 year old and recorded and shared the video with some of his friends. I would like to know from people who fully understand the law if in a court case, statutory rape in the second degree from her or forcible rape by him would take liability. This is a horrible situation and I just want to help her but I don't know how. Thank you to anyone who can provide advice. | e5k1o68 | e5jiq5u | 1,536,329,693 | 1,536,299,588 | 5 | 3 | He may have committed Criminal sexual act in the first degree against her. New York code § 130.50 "A person commits a criminal sexual act in the first degree when the offender engages in oral or anal sexual conduct with another person by **forcible compulsion**." Forcible compulsion" means to compel by either: a. **use of physical force**; or b. **a threat**, express or implied, which places a person in fear of immediate death or physical injury to himself, herself or another person, or in fear that he, she or another person will immediately be kidnapped. | ---
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rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | hotzb58 | hou2urc | 1,639,690,055 | 1,639,691,456 | 7 | 50 | This is the wrong sub for what you're asking. | Try Bronx independent living services. Any independent living organization has the goal of keeping people as independent as possible. They should have job placement help. Google vocational rehab NYC they might have resources available. Best of luck! | 0 | 1,401 | 7.142857 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | hou2urc | hou0vt8 | 1,639,691,456 | 1,639,690,680 | 50 | 9 | Try Bronx independent living services. Any independent living organization has the goal of keeping people as independent as possible. They should have job placement help. Google vocational rehab NYC they might have resources available. Best of luck! | I can say that your Dad does NOT qualify for a CDL if he is unable to pass the forced-air-test. This is the hiss that happens when air tubes disconnect, or compression brakes are failing, and so on. Must be able to hear it unaided. Could be, however, he's got the best job for improving his health at his age - nothing better to get the heart running than climbing stairwells. | 1 | 776 | 5.555556 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | houhzim | hotzb58 | 1,639,697,833 | 1,639,690,055 | 48 | 7 | Wtf kind of sociopaths bully a deaf guy? If we're talking disability, look for social security disability attorneys in your area (there are offices that specialize in this, they do not usually charge to consult you initially). They will be able to tell you what he needs to do or if he has a case based on his issues. We're having to do this with my mom for other reasons. The disability pay takes time to come, but it's backdated to the time of application, so there's usually a lump sum at the start. The attorneys take a cut of that. | This is the wrong sub for what you're asking. | 1 | 7,778 | 6.857143 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | hou0vt8 | houhzim | 1,639,690,680 | 1,639,697,833 | 9 | 48 | I can say that your Dad does NOT qualify for a CDL if he is unable to pass the forced-air-test. This is the hiss that happens when air tubes disconnect, or compression brakes are failing, and so on. Must be able to hear it unaided. Could be, however, he's got the best job for improving his health at his age - nothing better to get the heart running than climbing stairwells. | Wtf kind of sociopaths bully a deaf guy? If we're talking disability, look for social security disability attorneys in your area (there are offices that specialize in this, they do not usually charge to consult you initially). They will be able to tell you what he needs to do or if he has a case based on his issues. We're having to do this with my mom for other reasons. The disability pay takes time to come, but it's backdated to the time of application, so there's usually a lump sum at the start. The attorneys take a cut of that. | 0 | 7,153 | 5.333333 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | houtz7l | hov12l1 | 1,639,703,253 | 1,639,706,421 | 18 | 41 | Just going to throw this out there - I have encountered a few deaf checkout clerks at Target. Don't know how the pay would compare to Amazon delivery but it would be less stressful on his body. | Deafness is a considered disability in SS office so he is 100% qualified for benefits. Since he’s working more than 30 years, he should have enough credits to qualify for SSDI benefits (it’s very good benefits come with Medicare). A lot of young Deaf works at Amazon because they pay better than other jobs available for Deaf. Bullied by hearing co worker is nothing new for disability. Source: I’m Deaf and getting benefits. | 0 | 3,168 | 2.277778 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | hotzb58 | hov12l1 | 1,639,690,055 | 1,639,706,421 | 7 | 41 | This is the wrong sub for what you're asking. | Deafness is a considered disability in SS office so he is 100% qualified for benefits. Since he’s working more than 30 years, he should have enough credits to qualify for SSDI benefits (it’s very good benefits come with Medicare). A lot of young Deaf works at Amazon because they pay better than other jobs available for Deaf. Bullied by hearing co worker is nothing new for disability. Source: I’m Deaf and getting benefits. | 0 | 16,366 | 5.857143 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | hov12l1 | hou0vt8 | 1,639,706,421 | 1,639,690,680 | 41 | 9 | Deafness is a considered disability in SS office so he is 100% qualified for benefits. Since he’s working more than 30 years, he should have enough credits to qualify for SSDI benefits (it’s very good benefits come with Medicare). A lot of young Deaf works at Amazon because they pay better than other jobs available for Deaf. Bullied by hearing co worker is nothing new for disability. Source: I’m Deaf and getting benefits. | I can say that your Dad does NOT qualify for a CDL if he is unable to pass the forced-air-test. This is the hiss that happens when air tubes disconnect, or compression brakes are failing, and so on. Must be able to hear it unaided. Could be, however, he's got the best job for improving his health at his age - nothing better to get the heart running than climbing stairwells. | 1 | 15,741 | 4.555556 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | hov12l1 | housu8p | 1,639,706,421 | 1,639,702,737 | 41 | 7 | Deafness is a considered disability in SS office so he is 100% qualified for benefits. Since he’s working more than 30 years, he should have enough credits to qualify for SSDI benefits (it’s very good benefits come with Medicare). A lot of young Deaf works at Amazon because they pay better than other jobs available for Deaf. Bullied by hearing co worker is nothing new for disability. Source: I’m Deaf and getting benefits. | Maybe contact NYS Vocational Services on his behalf. | 1 | 3,684 | 5.857143 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | houwuyl | hov12l1 | 1,639,704,557 | 1,639,706,421 | 4 | 41 | Check in Reddit disability and disability support! | Deafness is a considered disability in SS office so he is 100% qualified for benefits. Since he’s working more than 30 years, he should have enough credits to qualify for SSDI benefits (it’s very good benefits come with Medicare). A lot of young Deaf works at Amazon because they pay better than other jobs available for Deaf. Bullied by hearing co worker is nothing new for disability. Source: I’m Deaf and getting benefits. | 0 | 1,864 | 10.25 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | hotzb58 | houtz7l | 1,639,690,055 | 1,639,703,253 | 7 | 18 | This is the wrong sub for what you're asking. | Just going to throw this out there - I have encountered a few deaf checkout clerks at Target. Don't know how the pay would compare to Amazon delivery but it would be less stressful on his body. | 0 | 13,198 | 2.571429 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | hou0vt8 | houtz7l | 1,639,690,680 | 1,639,703,253 | 9 | 18 | I can say that your Dad does NOT qualify for a CDL if he is unable to pass the forced-air-test. This is the hiss that happens when air tubes disconnect, or compression brakes are failing, and so on. Must be able to hear it unaided. Could be, however, he's got the best job for improving his health at his age - nothing better to get the heart running than climbing stairwells. | Just going to throw this out there - I have encountered a few deaf checkout clerks at Target. Don't know how the pay would compare to Amazon delivery but it would be less stressful on his body. | 0 | 12,573 | 2 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | housu8p | houtz7l | 1,639,702,737 | 1,639,703,253 | 7 | 18 | Maybe contact NYS Vocational Services on his behalf. | Just going to throw this out there - I have encountered a few deaf checkout clerks at Target. Don't know how the pay would compare to Amazon delivery but it would be less stressful on his body. | 0 | 516 | 2.571429 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | hovi36m | hotzb58 | 1,639,714,072 | 1,639,690,055 | 8 | 7 | Start by talking to his doctor and get his opinion as to if your father should be working. You are going to need to start by gathering documentation to back up your claim. Your father can file for disability benefits and they may give him a percentage depending on how disabled they deem him to be. You will have to submit the paperwork, your father's doctor might have local resources for you to help with it and wait to see what the judgement is. Expect to get denied the first time and file an appeal. I've rarely seen someone approved for SSI disability benefits the first time they file. Good luck! | This is the wrong sub for what you're asking. | 1 | 24,017 | 1.142857 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | hotzb58 | hou0vt8 | 1,639,690,055 | 1,639,690,680 | 7 | 9 | This is the wrong sub for what you're asking. | I can say that your Dad does NOT qualify for a CDL if he is unable to pass the forced-air-test. This is the hiss that happens when air tubes disconnect, or compression brakes are failing, and so on. Must be able to hear it unaided. Could be, however, he's got the best job for improving his health at his age - nothing better to get the heart running than climbing stairwells. | 0 | 625 | 1.285714 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | housu8p | hovi36m | 1,639,702,737 | 1,639,714,072 | 7 | 8 | Maybe contact NYS Vocational Services on his behalf. | Start by talking to his doctor and get his opinion as to if your father should be working. You are going to need to start by gathering documentation to back up your claim. Your father can file for disability benefits and they may give him a percentage depending on how disabled they deem him to be. You will have to submit the paperwork, your father's doctor might have local resources for you to help with it and wait to see what the judgement is. Expect to get denied the first time and file an appeal. I've rarely seen someone approved for SSI disability benefits the first time they file. Good luck! | 0 | 11,335 | 1.142857 |
rhzkaa | legaladvice_train | 0.85 | My father is Deaf and is in his late '50s, with less than HS education. He's an Amazon Delivery driver and he is not healthy enough for the demanding role but can't find another job because of disability. He is too healthy to receive disability benefits. What can I do? Note: It feels like this might not be the right sub to post. Please point me to the best place to post if that's the case! I ( 30 NB) am a CODA (child of deaf adults). Both of my parents are deaf, and I'm pretty sure my dad is on the spectrum (I didn't consider this until I was older. I thought my dad's limited knowledge was due to his disability but I'm noticing it's much more than that). Long story short - they're getting older and life is getting harder. Last year, my dad left his job of 30+ years because he was being bullied by his co-workers and his employers didn't care to accommodate him (for example, there was a 401k meeting and they didn't hire an interpreter, and when my dad asked for the information they told him to not worry about it). For the last 2-3 years, he was complaining about being bullied by co-workers but to be honest, it's been hard to figure out how to navigate that especially when there is no proof. His mental health deteriorated and he became extremely paranoid about his employer stealing his money. He eventually quit and then joined Amazon with the help of his cousin. My dad was fine at first but of course, the amount of packages a delivery person is assigned to deliver is insane for anyone, but especially a very unhealthy almost 60-year-old man. He has high blood pressure, diabetes, and doesn't manage it at all. It doesn't help being assigned to the Bronx, an area filled with 6-story apartment buildings without elevators. It's absolutely killing him but in order to be approved for disability, it seems like you need to be dying. He wants to get a CDL license to drive school buses and so when I learned he needed to study and pass a permit test, it hit me that I don't even know if my dad *can actually* study the content and understand it enough to take the test and pass. ​ Can someone let me know - What are some insights/resources/etc. that can help me find my dad another job or get on disability benefits? What should I consider? What am I not considering? Anything and everything is helpful!!! | hovi36m | houwuyl | 1,639,714,072 | 1,639,704,557 | 8 | 4 | Start by talking to his doctor and get his opinion as to if your father should be working. You are going to need to start by gathering documentation to back up your claim. Your father can file for disability benefits and they may give him a percentage depending on how disabled they deem him to be. You will have to submit the paperwork, your father's doctor might have local resources for you to help with it and wait to see what the judgement is. Expect to get denied the first time and file an appeal. I've rarely seen someone approved for SSI disability benefits the first time they file. Good luck! | Check in Reddit disability and disability support! | 1 | 9,515 | 2 |
j9xaxp | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Is there anything against an employer forcing an employee to take weekly covid tests and have it charged to their perspective insurance. Shouldn’t this be something that the employer has to pay for since it is them who is enforcing it? FYI this is for a New York resident | g8ne3ty | g8nd2an | 1,602,551,741 | 1,602,551,129 | 5 | 3 | Are you saying, you have to get a test for work, and the claim is processed against your personal insurance? Not a company paid testing? If it's processing through your individual insurance, you may want to check your EOBs. In most cases a policy is written so that physicals, test, vaccines need for employment or travel are an exclusion. However, if the policy is self funded, they can choose to change that language and allow the coverage. Right now insurers are processing those COVID testing claims at $0 to the member. And if we go back, if the policy is self funded, the employer is actually paying the covered portion of the test. Also, not going to lie, they are going to be able to get aggregate data on COVID tests on the employed population. | Your health insurance is only going to pay if it is medically necessary | 1 | 612 | 1.666667 |
j9xaxp | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Is there anything against an employer forcing an employee to take weekly covid tests and have it charged to their perspective insurance. Shouldn’t this be something that the employer has to pay for since it is them who is enforcing it? FYI this is for a New York resident | g8mow5d | g8ne3ty | 1,602,537,297 | 1,602,551,741 | 2 | 5 | Can you elaborate as to why they don't want to charge their insurance? I mean, many professions require annual physicals that are paid for by insurance so I don't know why there would be any rules against this. Is it employer provided insurance? | Are you saying, you have to get a test for work, and the claim is processed against your personal insurance? Not a company paid testing? If it's processing through your individual insurance, you may want to check your EOBs. In most cases a policy is written so that physicals, test, vaccines need for employment or travel are an exclusion. However, if the policy is self funded, they can choose to change that language and allow the coverage. Right now insurers are processing those COVID testing claims at $0 to the member. And if we go back, if the policy is self funded, the employer is actually paying the covered portion of the test. Also, not going to lie, they are going to be able to get aggregate data on COVID tests on the employed population. | 0 | 14,444 | 2.5 |
j9xaxp | legaladvice_train | 0.91 | Is there anything against an employer forcing an employee to take weekly covid tests and have it charged to their perspective insurance. Shouldn’t this be something that the employer has to pay for since it is them who is enforcing it? FYI this is for a New York resident | g8nd2an | g8mow5d | 1,602,551,129 | 1,602,537,297 | 3 | 2 | Your health insurance is only going to pay if it is medically necessary | Can you elaborate as to why they don't want to charge their insurance? I mean, many professions require annual physicals that are paid for by insurance so I don't know why there would be any rules against this. Is it employer provided insurance? | 1 | 13,832 | 1.5 |
ulthem | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | OSHA help. Employer is rationing gloves to us and making us pay when we run out. We work with wood and wood glue, and our gloves get ruined just by us working on the job. Most people on our machines (myself included) use two pairs a day. One for when we are working directly with glued boards. And one when feeding blanks or other tasks, as the glue ruins the grip. Now we are told we will have 6 pairs to last the week (unknown if they count Saturday overtime) and will charge us if we need more. In an ideal and perfect scenario we use 1 pair a day for working with glue, and 1 pair the last 5 days when not working with glue. But that doesn’t include overtime days or just times when we have to use both pairs or don’t have time to change from one pair to the other. I know OSHA made a change in 2008 saying employers have to pay unless employees lose or intentionally destroy their PPE. So are they allowed to charge us for daily wear and tear? Are we able to do anything? | i808swg | i81a2dx | 1,652,152,652 | 1,652,179,612 | 9 | 10 | Sounds like the shit hole company I just resigned from. I’m thinking about being the next Rick Parks and IDGAF. Best of luck OP | I'm just curious, but - is this two pairs of leather work gloves, per person, per day? | 0 | 26,960 | 1.111111 |
ulthem | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | OSHA help. Employer is rationing gloves to us and making us pay when we run out. We work with wood and wood glue, and our gloves get ruined just by us working on the job. Most people on our machines (myself included) use two pairs a day. One for when we are working directly with glued boards. And one when feeding blanks or other tasks, as the glue ruins the grip. Now we are told we will have 6 pairs to last the week (unknown if they count Saturday overtime) and will charge us if we need more. In an ideal and perfect scenario we use 1 pair a day for working with glue, and 1 pair the last 5 days when not working with glue. But that doesn’t include overtime days or just times when we have to use both pairs or don’t have time to change from one pair to the other. I know OSHA made a change in 2008 saying employers have to pay unless employees lose or intentionally destroy their PPE. So are they allowed to charge us for daily wear and tear? Are we able to do anything? | i803jof | i808swg | 1,652,150,073 | 1,652,152,652 | 5 | 9 | Maybe if there's a quality control issue directly affecting production quality and you show that's its directly related to glue ruining your grip everyday then there should be some cause of concern. | Sounds like the shit hole company I just resigned from. I’m thinking about being the next Rick Parks and IDGAF. Best of luck OP | 0 | 2,579 | 1.8 |
ulthem | legaladvice_train | 0.95 | OSHA help. Employer is rationing gloves to us and making us pay when we run out. We work with wood and wood glue, and our gloves get ruined just by us working on the job. Most people on our machines (myself included) use two pairs a day. One for when we are working directly with glued boards. And one when feeding blanks or other tasks, as the glue ruins the grip. Now we are told we will have 6 pairs to last the week (unknown if they count Saturday overtime) and will charge us if we need more. In an ideal and perfect scenario we use 1 pair a day for working with glue, and 1 pair the last 5 days when not working with glue. But that doesn’t include overtime days or just times when we have to use both pairs or don’t have time to change from one pair to the other. I know OSHA made a change in 2008 saying employers have to pay unless employees lose or intentionally destroy their PPE. So are they allowed to charge us for daily wear and tear? Are we able to do anything? | i81a2dx | i803jof | 1,652,179,612 | 1,652,150,073 | 10 | 5 | I'm just curious, but - is this two pairs of leather work gloves, per person, per day? | Maybe if there's a quality control issue directly affecting production quality and you show that's its directly related to glue ruining your grip everyday then there should be some cause of concern. | 1 | 29,539 | 2 |
a251k1 | legaladvice_train | 0.89 | My Apartment managers booted my car, left a vague and unclear note, and this ultimately led to damaging my car. Now the owners are only willing to pay a quarter of the damage claiming it's my fault and that I am attempting to take advantage of them. HELP! I'll do my best to keep this short, clear, and accurate. A little background: I have been attending a college in eastern Idaho for the past 3 years. I graduate in 3 weeks and will be moving back to California for an internship later this month. During these 3 years I have stayed at the same apartment complex whose owners have always been kind and helpful to me. On the day of the incident (Wed Nov. 28) the new managers were to come by to introduce themselves to my roommates and I. Wednesday night about an hour before the new managers were to come by I decided I was going to drive down the road and pick up some Taco Bell as I was hungry and tired after a long day. I went out to my car which was parked in the parking lot of my apartment and noticed a 3x5 notecard taped to the drivers side window that read, "Please call ( NAME ) at ( NUMBER ) if we are not in the office. Thanks!" I did not recognize the name or understand what the note could be about. I had a guess that it might be one of the new managers but was unsure so I figured I'd ask them when they came by later. After I scrape all of the snow off the top of my car (it had been snowing the past few days) I get in my car and start to back out of my spot. I had only gone back a few feet when I heard loud noises of metal scraping on metal and what sounded like a loud crack. I stop the car, get out, and notice that there was a boot on the front left tire of my car! It was now wedged between the tire and the bumper/fender of the car. Luckily there was no significant damage to the fender but it did crack the bumper which is now loose on that side of the car. It also popped the tire and within a minute the tire was completely flat. I called the number on the card but nobody answered. I then called the owners of the apartment and one of them came out to check it out. He apologized that this happened and informed me that they (the owners) would help me out. He could not get the boot off himself as it was bent up so he took the whole tire off, boot included, and informed me that in the morning he would take the tire to a shop, get the boot off, and have the tire repaired. He said that once the tire was back on we would go together to a local auto repair shop to get an estimate of the damage. He also informed me that the reason the managers placed a boot on the car was because they did not see a parking pass hanging on the rearview mirror in the car. That would be accurate as I keep the parking pass on the dashboard of the car, still within view of the windshield, so that it's not blocking my line of sight as I drive. Now, here is a little bit of information that will be important later. There was already some minor damage to the fender of the car above the front left tire. There were some dents and rust from when a chain broke on the tire years ago. I never accused or claimed the owners of causing this damaged but I did not inform him that night that the dents and rust was already there. This was because I was so mad about the whole situation that I really didn't say much of anything to him at all that night. The next day he brings back the repaired tire, we put in on and drive to the auto shop where the mechanic examines the car and within 5 minutes he gives us an estimate of roughly $1,600. I looked over the estimate and noticed that he had included repairs towards the fender. I then informed him, and the apartment owner, that the damage to the fender was previously there and that it should not be included in the estimate. I informed them that the only significant damage caused to the car by the boot was to the bumper. The mechanic then redid the estimate and now the cost for replacement of the bumper came out to $778.52. The apartment owner tells me that he will need to go home and talk to his wife about this and that they will be in touch with me soon to work this all out. Fast forward to Friday afternoon and I am in the manager's office with the apartment owners. They inform me that they are only willing to pay for a quarter of the bill (so roughly $200) and here are their reasonings why: ​ 1) At the start of the semester I signed a contract which specifically stated that I was to hang the parking pass on the rearview mirror of the car. The contract also stated that any vehicle without a parking pass would be booted at the vehicle owner's expense. 2) Since only a small portion of the bumper is damaged, they should not have to pay the full price for a completely new bumper and.. 3) Since I was "dishonest" about previous damage to the car (the dents and rust), they claim that there is no evidence that the damage to the bumper was actually caused by the boot and now believe that I am attempting to take advantage of them for money. We obviously did not come to an agreement and I told them that I would like a few days to think more on the matter and that some time in the next week we could meet again to talk about it. ​ Guys, I don't want to take advantage of anybody but I also firmly believe that this is not my fault and would like the damage done to my car to be repaired by those who are liable for it. Any advice??? ​ ​ | eavbeye | eavdkdt | 1,543,690,542 | 1,543,692,195 | 13 | 37 | In some locations it is illegal to boot a car on private property — they can only tow it. Something to check about your location. Look carefully about the exact wording on that parking pass contract. I imagine you are paraphrasing but your second sentence just says without a Parking pass ... but there was a parking pass just not in a specific position. 2 is nonsense imo. You can’t buy half a bumper and weld it on. Fixing the damaged area will require the larger fix. Honestly a few hundred bucks for a bumper fix sounds quite cheap to me. | You're in luck! Idaho law says that there has to be signage in the lot that can be seen by someone entering from any possible entrance into the parking lot that illegally parked cars will be booted. Your lease provision is not adequate, and neither are signs that say "towed" instead of "booted". If such signs are not up, which you did not mention any so I assume there were none, then your apartment managers have violated Idaho law by booting you. Relevant provisions: >Any person having possession or control of real property who finds an unauthorized vehicle standing upon his property is permitted to have the vehicle removed or booted if there is posted on or near the property in a clearly conspicuous location, in large print, a sign or notice that unauthorized vehicles will be removed or booted at the owner’s expense and designating the name of the towing firm or parking enforcement company. and >No person shall boot a motor vehicle parked on private property unless a sign is posted at each lot entrance. In addition, each sign shall contain the information, which may be prescribed by the county or municipality. The requirements of BOTH of those provisions must be met for the booting to be legal. | 0 | 1,653 | 2.846154 |
e11wt8 | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | My apartment is freezing cold. Heat is provided by building as part of lease. I live in ohio. For the last month there has been an ongoing problem of inconsistent heating in my apartment building. it’s an old building with steam heat, and i have been in contact with the management for a while about this problem. they have told me it has been working but according to other tenants in my building too, the heat is not working, and usually doesn’t start working until january. is there any recourse i can take? our apartments are freezing and we don’t know what we can do. when we call the landlords the problem gets fixed for a night and then gets shut off. their offices are closed on the weekends so all weekend we have had no heat. | f8nyri1 | f8n2fx0 | 1,574,656,692 | 1,574,638,246 | 13 | 12 | Not a lawyer but am a landlord in Ohio. In the State of Ohio, the landlord is required to provide you with heat per section 5321.04 of the Ohio Revised Code. The code does not specify to what temperature is required but 66-75 is usually what courts will say is reasonable. You are going to want to read ORC 5321.07 This section spells out your rights and obligations in this scenario that you don't have heat. You must immediately notify your landlord in writing of the issue. They have a period of time to resolve it. No heat in winter is considered an emergency and should be a three day window instead of the normal 30. If they fail to respond, or fix the issue, you may deposit your rent in full to your municipal or county court clerk. It is important that you don't withhold anything yourself or try to hold it in your own escrow as this could cause you to be evicted. The court will hold your rent for you and will notify the landlord. You may also ask a judge to issue a court order of repair. You may also have the option to terminate your lease. Your landlord may not retaliate against you for taking any of these measures. Hope this helps you! | Two paths you can take if you choose to use the legal system. One, you can get a space heater and thoroughly document everything, then sue your landlord in small claims for the cost. Document the temperature, the power consumption of the space heater, the dates and times, everything. Photos, videos, receipts, have your ducks in a perfectly tidy row. Of course, this will mean your landlord hates you. Two, you can give your landlord notice that the conditions are uninhabitable and move out without any penalties from breaking the lease (the landlord is the one who broke the lease by failing to keep your apartment inhabitable, not you). There may be rules in your state about how much notice you have to give or what you can sue for, but in some states you could sue for quite a bit, including moving expenses. This is legally complicated enough to where I'd recommend talking to a landlord-tenant attorney before pulling the trigger. It also torpedos your relationship with your landlord, so there's that. Perhaps a good first step would be to show up to management face to face and impress upon them, civilly but sternly, about the severity of the problem and the potential ramifications of not having it fixed immediately. | 1 | 18,446 | 1.083333 |
80r0v4 | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Landlord found letter for a complete stranger addressed to my apartment inside furniture left outside dumpster, and told me I am responsible for paying a $350 fine [GA, USA] My landlord found a couch left outside the dumpster, in violation of their trash rules. Inside the couch cushions was a letter addressed to a complete stranger (perhaps a previous tenant who gave their couch to a neighbor, but I have no idea) under my address. As my physical address is on it, they are saying I am responsible for paying the $350 fine. This couch is not mine and I certainly didn't leave it by any dumpster... and I have no idea who this person is whose letter they found in the cushions. Isn't someone else's name on the letter proof that it is not my letter...(and hence not my couch)? How do I contest this? Who do I go to? | duy0h2z | duy0wju | 1,519,790,670 | 1,519,791,179 | 5 | 32 | Besides what has been said on the thread already my question is is there anything in the lease that says he can charge you 350 bucks for an issue of this nature? | "Yes sir Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie. I put that envelope under that garbage." Best guess is that the letter was addressed to a previous tenant and has been in the couch for a long time. Couch could have been in the apartment before you moved in and given to a neighboring apartment when they moved out. I'd politely tell the landlord that you didn't leave the couch there and ask if the name belongs to a previous tenant. Is there a date or postmark on the letter, and if so does it pre-date your tenancy? Where does the $350 figure come from? Is it a fine from the city? Is it written into your lease? If they found a quarter in the couch, are they going to fine George Washington because his picture is on it? | 0 | 509 | 6.4 |
277xsa | legaladvice_train | 0.74 | [Kentucky] Landlord came and took the washer/dryer; lease says they are included in apt. I tried looking at the relevant URLTA laws and found this: >URLTA Duties for Landlords in Section 2.104(a): > (4) Maintain in good and safe working order and condition all electrical, plumbing, sanitary, heating, ventilating, air-conditioning, and other facilities and appliances, including elevators, supplied or required to be supplied by him; What legs do I have to stand on? What's my best bet for getting some sort of resolution to this? | chy8v2n | chydwzx | 1,401,820,494 | 1,401,830,785 | 6 | 7 | If they are included in the lease you should go to him and tell him that you require those to be returned as per the lease. | Relevant bit from the landlord tenant guide: > Right to Terminate Lease. **If the landlord fails to comply with the provisions of the lease or the Landlord/Tenant Act, although he has been given adequate notice of the problem or violation by the tenant, the tenant may initiate proceedings to terminate the lease (KRS 383.625). First, the tenant must deliver written notice to the landlord describing the landlord's act of noncompliance and stating that he will terminate the lease after thirty days if the situation described is not remedied within fourteen days.** If the landlord either makes the necessary repairs or pays damage within the allotted time, the rental agreement may not be terminated. If the landlord fails to comply with the notice, however, and causes the tenant to move, the landlord must return all prepaid rent. If the landlord again fails to comply with the lease or with the law within six months, the tenant has the same rights as before but may terminate the lease after fourteen days' written notice rather than thirty days. The tenant does not have these privileges, however, if the problem has been caused by his or his guests' negligence or misuse (KRS 383.635). Ask for them back first. You could also ask for a rent reduction in lieu of returning them. Since this isn't a health or safety issue, your next option is giving written notice that you're moving if he doesn't comply with the lease. Also worth mentioning, LL doesn't have to return the same exact washer and dryer, so don't be shocked if he brings you a $30 craigslist special. | 0 | 10,291 | 1.166667 |
277xsa | legaladvice_train | 0.74 | [Kentucky] Landlord came and took the washer/dryer; lease says they are included in apt. I tried looking at the relevant URLTA laws and found this: >URLTA Duties for Landlords in Section 2.104(a): > (4) Maintain in good and safe working order and condition all electrical, plumbing, sanitary, heating, ventilating, air-conditioning, and other facilities and appliances, including elevators, supplied or required to be supplied by him; What legs do I have to stand on? What's my best bet for getting some sort of resolution to this? | chydwzx | chy8urq | 1,401,830,785 | 1,401,820,477 | 7 | 2 | Relevant bit from the landlord tenant guide: > Right to Terminate Lease. **If the landlord fails to comply with the provisions of the lease or the Landlord/Tenant Act, although he has been given adequate notice of the problem or violation by the tenant, the tenant may initiate proceedings to terminate the lease (KRS 383.625). First, the tenant must deliver written notice to the landlord describing the landlord's act of noncompliance and stating that he will terminate the lease after thirty days if the situation described is not remedied within fourteen days.** If the landlord either makes the necessary repairs or pays damage within the allotted time, the rental agreement may not be terminated. If the landlord fails to comply with the notice, however, and causes the tenant to move, the landlord must return all prepaid rent. If the landlord again fails to comply with the lease or with the law within six months, the tenant has the same rights as before but may terminate the lease after fourteen days' written notice rather than thirty days. The tenant does not have these privileges, however, if the problem has been caused by his or his guests' negligence or misuse (KRS 383.635). Ask for them back first. You could also ask for a rent reduction in lieu of returning them. Since this isn't a health or safety issue, your next option is giving written notice that you're moving if he doesn't comply with the lease. Also worth mentioning, LL doesn't have to return the same exact washer and dryer, so don't be shocked if he brings you a $30 craigslist special. | Contact him to demand he return them, and get him to commit to a date on which he will. If he refuses, your only option would be to buy your own washer and dryer and sue him in small claims for the cost. | 1 | 10,308 | 3.5 |
277xsa | legaladvice_train | 0.74 | [Kentucky] Landlord came and took the washer/dryer; lease says they are included in apt. I tried looking at the relevant URLTA laws and found this: >URLTA Duties for Landlords in Section 2.104(a): > (4) Maintain in good and safe working order and condition all electrical, plumbing, sanitary, heating, ventilating, air-conditioning, and other facilities and appliances, including elevators, supplied or required to be supplied by him; What legs do I have to stand on? What's my best bet for getting some sort of resolution to this? | chy8urq | chy8v2n | 1,401,820,477 | 1,401,820,494 | 2 | 6 | Contact him to demand he return them, and get him to commit to a date on which he will. If he refuses, your only option would be to buy your own washer and dryer and sue him in small claims for the cost. | If they are included in the lease you should go to him and tell him that you require those to be returned as per the lease. | 0 | 17 | 3 |
mgh229 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | My Landlord is trying to charge me for Washer & Dryers that were stolen from the property Hello! I (18f) just moved out of my first rental house but the landlords were absolutely horrible. The house wasn’t cleaned when we arrived at all, they never sent maintenance when we needed them, and overall just very unhelpful and have been trying to push us out of the house even thought we’ve never missed a payment. Even with the bad landlords my roommate and I were planning on renewing the lease but then stuff started getting a bit crazy in our neighborhood. A man who was covered in blood ran through my front yard after trying to break into a car, the police tried to raid my home but turns out they got the old tenant, and someone broke in but i guess they heard my roommate and I in the house and left. People were also hanging around our shed sometimes? We never saw them but I know they were there bc there was graffiti and the lock had been broken by someone. So my roommate and I decided to get out of there and we left a month earlier then when the lease said to so we had time to move out. I guess during the two weeks we’ve been moved out someone broke in AGAIN and took the landlords washer and dryer. Now they’re trying to charge us even though we didn’t do anything. it says in our lease we’re responsible for it unless it’s due to the landlords negligence but I think it might be because i haven’t been in that house that I locked up when I left in almost a month. They’re calling the police to investigate too but they’re still refusing to pay for it. Is there anything we can do? I want to sue but I don’t even care about getting the money i just don’t want to be held responsible for those very expensive washer and dryers we can’t afford. | gst7qmq | gst14lw | 1,617,118,990 | 1,617,116,007 | 1,955 | 67 | If you end up responsible for them, keep in mind that you wouldn’t owe replacement cost, you’d owe the value of a (x years old) used set of washer/dryer. Look around at the current going rate of a similar pair and take screenshots of the details and asking price. | Check with your renters insurnace. | 1 | 2,983 | 29.179104 |
mgh229 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | My Landlord is trying to charge me for Washer & Dryers that were stolen from the property Hello! I (18f) just moved out of my first rental house but the landlords were absolutely horrible. The house wasn’t cleaned when we arrived at all, they never sent maintenance when we needed them, and overall just very unhelpful and have been trying to push us out of the house even thought we’ve never missed a payment. Even with the bad landlords my roommate and I were planning on renewing the lease but then stuff started getting a bit crazy in our neighborhood. A man who was covered in blood ran through my front yard after trying to break into a car, the police tried to raid my home but turns out they got the old tenant, and someone broke in but i guess they heard my roommate and I in the house and left. People were also hanging around our shed sometimes? We never saw them but I know they were there bc there was graffiti and the lock had been broken by someone. So my roommate and I decided to get out of there and we left a month earlier then when the lease said to so we had time to move out. I guess during the two weeks we’ve been moved out someone broke in AGAIN and took the landlords washer and dryer. Now they’re trying to charge us even though we didn’t do anything. it says in our lease we’re responsible for it unless it’s due to the landlords negligence but I think it might be because i haven’t been in that house that I locked up when I left in almost a month. They’re calling the police to investigate too but they’re still refusing to pay for it. Is there anything we can do? I want to sue but I don’t even care about getting the money i just don’t want to be held responsible for those very expensive washer and dryers we can’t afford. | gsthu2b | gst14lw | 1,617,123,496 | 1,617,116,007 | 537 | 67 | Did you inform the landlord that you had vacated the property? How did you give that notice? The landlord cannot be expected to secure the property if they do not know the property is vacant. For example if my tenants went on a month-long vacation in the dead of winter and didn’t tell me anything about it. If the pipes freeze, it’s on them. All they had to do was tell me about the trip and I could have taken steps to make sure the unit was heated and/or the water shut off. You might be responsible. You should get your renter’s insurance provider involved. | Check with your renters insurnace. | 1 | 7,489 | 8.014925 |
mgh229 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | My Landlord is trying to charge me for Washer & Dryers that were stolen from the property Hello! I (18f) just moved out of my first rental house but the landlords were absolutely horrible. The house wasn’t cleaned when we arrived at all, they never sent maintenance when we needed them, and overall just very unhelpful and have been trying to push us out of the house even thought we’ve never missed a payment. Even with the bad landlords my roommate and I were planning on renewing the lease but then stuff started getting a bit crazy in our neighborhood. A man who was covered in blood ran through my front yard after trying to break into a car, the police tried to raid my home but turns out they got the old tenant, and someone broke in but i guess they heard my roommate and I in the house and left. People were also hanging around our shed sometimes? We never saw them but I know they were there bc there was graffiti and the lock had been broken by someone. So my roommate and I decided to get out of there and we left a month earlier then when the lease said to so we had time to move out. I guess during the two weeks we’ve been moved out someone broke in AGAIN and took the landlords washer and dryer. Now they’re trying to charge us even though we didn’t do anything. it says in our lease we’re responsible for it unless it’s due to the landlords negligence but I think it might be because i haven’t been in that house that I locked up when I left in almost a month. They’re calling the police to investigate too but they’re still refusing to pay for it. Is there anything we can do? I want to sue but I don’t even care about getting the money i just don’t want to be held responsible for those very expensive washer and dryers we can’t afford. | gst14lw | gstngh5 | 1,617,116,007 | 1,617,126,005 | 67 | 118 | Check with your renters insurnace. | Renters insurance. Give them a call. They will at worst give you the information you need, and at best they will fight your landlord for you. | 0 | 9,998 | 1.761194 |
ttdqgp | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Roommate whose mom is the homeowner is being very petty to try and get us to leave even though we have signed a lease to move out 1 month from now and they have not filed an eviction notice My girlfriend I are in college in Statesboro, GA, and our roommate has moved all cooking utensils, chairs, etc. into her bedroom, unplugged the internet, put a sign on the washer and dryer saying we cannot use it, and wrote on the fridge she is going to throw away our food tomorrow. This all happened this morning. Her mother (the homeowner) is being understanding and says we have until June (2 months) to move out because she is selling the home. Her daughter (our roommate) is the one being petty and has done all this. We were only informed via text around a week ago, no formal eviction notice and the homeowner (that we pay rent to) has stated she does not want to file an eviction notice. We have not had many problems living here, the reason for the roommate blowing up on us is because we "stay up cooking too late and are too loud, and we take up too much fridge space." We have tried talking it out with her but she doesn't want to talk and just results in her escalating further and cussing us out. What can we do to remedy the situation, and help prevent damage to our stuff? I worry while I am at work tomorrow she will throw out/destroy our property. We have been very accepting of moving out and have no intentions of staying beyond our welcome. We found an apartment as soon as we could and cannot move out until our new apartment is available in May. If she does throw away our property and destroy some of our things what should be our course of action? This is my first time dealing with this kind of thing. We do not do anything to warrant this kind of reaction. My girlfriend and I share a bedroom, always pay rent, and do the majority of the cleaning around the house while she does not have a job, lives off her mother and mostly just stays in her room. We always do the dishes and keep the common area clean. | i2x5sqi | i2x5zv6 | 1,648,772,669 | 1,648,772,758 | 20 | 200 | I am not a lawyer but I'd get a lock for your bedroom and put as much stuff in there as you can. Obviously not unrefrigerated food. | You can't really take any legal action to "stop" this roommate from acting unreasonably. Secure the stuff that's yours, try to act through text rather than in person convos with this roommate, and make sure your landlord knows what is going on as respectfully as possible. If they destroy or dispose of your property, your remedy is small claims court. They cannot stop you from using utilities like the washer and dryer, especially if they are named as something you have access to in your lease. If the internet is in your roommate's name and not yours, that's tougher and you may have to give that up. But if you pay utilities as a lump sum and internet is included, that's a different story. | 0 | 89 | 10 |
ttdqgp | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Roommate whose mom is the homeowner is being very petty to try and get us to leave even though we have signed a lease to move out 1 month from now and they have not filed an eviction notice My girlfriend I are in college in Statesboro, GA, and our roommate has moved all cooking utensils, chairs, etc. into her bedroom, unplugged the internet, put a sign on the washer and dryer saying we cannot use it, and wrote on the fridge she is going to throw away our food tomorrow. This all happened this morning. Her mother (the homeowner) is being understanding and says we have until June (2 months) to move out because she is selling the home. Her daughter (our roommate) is the one being petty and has done all this. We were only informed via text around a week ago, no formal eviction notice and the homeowner (that we pay rent to) has stated she does not want to file an eviction notice. We have not had many problems living here, the reason for the roommate blowing up on us is because we "stay up cooking too late and are too loud, and we take up too much fridge space." We have tried talking it out with her but she doesn't want to talk and just results in her escalating further and cussing us out. What can we do to remedy the situation, and help prevent damage to our stuff? I worry while I am at work tomorrow she will throw out/destroy our property. We have been very accepting of moving out and have no intentions of staying beyond our welcome. We found an apartment as soon as we could and cannot move out until our new apartment is available in May. If she does throw away our property and destroy some of our things what should be our course of action? This is my first time dealing with this kind of thing. We do not do anything to warrant this kind of reaction. My girlfriend and I share a bedroom, always pay rent, and do the majority of the cleaning around the house while she does not have a job, lives off her mother and mostly just stays in her room. We always do the dishes and keep the common area clean. | i2x6smu | i2xbt1h | 1,648,773,117 | 1,648,775,368 | 27 | 67 | > If she does throw away our property and destroy some of our things what should be our course of action? Move out ASAP and sue for unlawful eviction. They can't restrict access to utilities, appliances, etc. | Whatever you do take pictures of all your stuff and document interactions. | 0 | 2,251 | 2.481481 |
ttdqgp | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Roommate whose mom is the homeowner is being very petty to try and get us to leave even though we have signed a lease to move out 1 month from now and they have not filed an eviction notice My girlfriend I are in college in Statesboro, GA, and our roommate has moved all cooking utensils, chairs, etc. into her bedroom, unplugged the internet, put a sign on the washer and dryer saying we cannot use it, and wrote on the fridge she is going to throw away our food tomorrow. This all happened this morning. Her mother (the homeowner) is being understanding and says we have until June (2 months) to move out because she is selling the home. Her daughter (our roommate) is the one being petty and has done all this. We were only informed via text around a week ago, no formal eviction notice and the homeowner (that we pay rent to) has stated she does not want to file an eviction notice. We have not had many problems living here, the reason for the roommate blowing up on us is because we "stay up cooking too late and are too loud, and we take up too much fridge space." We have tried talking it out with her but she doesn't want to talk and just results in her escalating further and cussing us out. What can we do to remedy the situation, and help prevent damage to our stuff? I worry while I am at work tomorrow she will throw out/destroy our property. We have been very accepting of moving out and have no intentions of staying beyond our welcome. We found an apartment as soon as we could and cannot move out until our new apartment is available in May. If she does throw away our property and destroy some of our things what should be our course of action? This is my first time dealing with this kind of thing. We do not do anything to warrant this kind of reaction. My girlfriend and I share a bedroom, always pay rent, and do the majority of the cleaning around the house while she does not have a job, lives off her mother and mostly just stays in her room. We always do the dishes and keep the common area clean. | i2x5sqi | i2xbt1h | 1,648,772,669 | 1,648,775,368 | 20 | 67 | I am not a lawyer but I'd get a lock for your bedroom and put as much stuff in there as you can. Obviously not unrefrigerated food. | Whatever you do take pictures of all your stuff and document interactions. | 0 | 2,699 | 3.35 |
ttdqgp | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Roommate whose mom is the homeowner is being very petty to try and get us to leave even though we have signed a lease to move out 1 month from now and they have not filed an eviction notice My girlfriend I are in college in Statesboro, GA, and our roommate has moved all cooking utensils, chairs, etc. into her bedroom, unplugged the internet, put a sign on the washer and dryer saying we cannot use it, and wrote on the fridge she is going to throw away our food tomorrow. This all happened this morning. Her mother (the homeowner) is being understanding and says we have until June (2 months) to move out because she is selling the home. Her daughter (our roommate) is the one being petty and has done all this. We were only informed via text around a week ago, no formal eviction notice and the homeowner (that we pay rent to) has stated she does not want to file an eviction notice. We have not had many problems living here, the reason for the roommate blowing up on us is because we "stay up cooking too late and are too loud, and we take up too much fridge space." We have tried talking it out with her but she doesn't want to talk and just results in her escalating further and cussing us out. What can we do to remedy the situation, and help prevent damage to our stuff? I worry while I am at work tomorrow she will throw out/destroy our property. We have been very accepting of moving out and have no intentions of staying beyond our welcome. We found an apartment as soon as we could and cannot move out until our new apartment is available in May. If she does throw away our property and destroy some of our things what should be our course of action? This is my first time dealing with this kind of thing. We do not do anything to warrant this kind of reaction. My girlfriend and I share a bedroom, always pay rent, and do the majority of the cleaning around the house while she does not have a job, lives off her mother and mostly just stays in her room. We always do the dishes and keep the common area clean. | i2x6smu | i2xiwtn | 1,648,773,117 | 1,648,778,628 | 27 | 51 | > If she does throw away our property and destroy some of our things what should be our course of action? Move out ASAP and sue for unlawful eviction. They can't restrict access to utilities, appliances, etc. | I would definitely get in touch with the actual landlord and tell them what their daughter is doing. I doubt the mother knows what her daughter is doing. There is a reason she des not to file an eviction because it would cost her an expensive attorney and months before a court could process an eviction. Evictions proceedings are typically last resort options against the worst kind of tenants. Typically a fridge would be considered a common space item and I think she would not be allowed to throw your stuff away. Explain that her actions could be construed as an illegal eviction. Tell them this opens them up to as much a triple damages if you pursue this in small claims court. Explain this would cost you very little to file in small claims court and could cost her thousands if she has to consult an attorney. Since you mention college I would recommend you check if you school has a legal aid office. Many times these are available for free or very low cost. They would be able to give you good idea of your options. | 0 | 5,511 | 1.888889 |
ttdqgp | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Roommate whose mom is the homeowner is being very petty to try and get us to leave even though we have signed a lease to move out 1 month from now and they have not filed an eviction notice My girlfriend I are in college in Statesboro, GA, and our roommate has moved all cooking utensils, chairs, etc. into her bedroom, unplugged the internet, put a sign on the washer and dryer saying we cannot use it, and wrote on the fridge she is going to throw away our food tomorrow. This all happened this morning. Her mother (the homeowner) is being understanding and says we have until June (2 months) to move out because she is selling the home. Her daughter (our roommate) is the one being petty and has done all this. We were only informed via text around a week ago, no formal eviction notice and the homeowner (that we pay rent to) has stated she does not want to file an eviction notice. We have not had many problems living here, the reason for the roommate blowing up on us is because we "stay up cooking too late and are too loud, and we take up too much fridge space." We have tried talking it out with her but she doesn't want to talk and just results in her escalating further and cussing us out. What can we do to remedy the situation, and help prevent damage to our stuff? I worry while I am at work tomorrow she will throw out/destroy our property. We have been very accepting of moving out and have no intentions of staying beyond our welcome. We found an apartment as soon as we could and cannot move out until our new apartment is available in May. If she does throw away our property and destroy some of our things what should be our course of action? This is my first time dealing with this kind of thing. We do not do anything to warrant this kind of reaction. My girlfriend and I share a bedroom, always pay rent, and do the majority of the cleaning around the house while she does not have a job, lives off her mother and mostly just stays in her room. We always do the dishes and keep the common area clean. | i2xiwtn | i2x5sqi | 1,648,778,628 | 1,648,772,669 | 51 | 20 | I would definitely get in touch with the actual landlord and tell them what their daughter is doing. I doubt the mother knows what her daughter is doing. There is a reason she des not to file an eviction because it would cost her an expensive attorney and months before a court could process an eviction. Evictions proceedings are typically last resort options against the worst kind of tenants. Typically a fridge would be considered a common space item and I think she would not be allowed to throw your stuff away. Explain that her actions could be construed as an illegal eviction. Tell them this opens them up to as much a triple damages if you pursue this in small claims court. Explain this would cost you very little to file in small claims court and could cost her thousands if she has to consult an attorney. Since you mention college I would recommend you check if you school has a legal aid office. Many times these are available for free or very low cost. They would be able to give you good idea of your options. | I am not a lawyer but I'd get a lock for your bedroom and put as much stuff in there as you can. Obviously not unrefrigerated food. | 1 | 5,959 | 2.55 |
ttdqgp | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Roommate whose mom is the homeowner is being very petty to try and get us to leave even though we have signed a lease to move out 1 month from now and they have not filed an eviction notice My girlfriend I are in college in Statesboro, GA, and our roommate has moved all cooking utensils, chairs, etc. into her bedroom, unplugged the internet, put a sign on the washer and dryer saying we cannot use it, and wrote on the fridge she is going to throw away our food tomorrow. This all happened this morning. Her mother (the homeowner) is being understanding and says we have until June (2 months) to move out because she is selling the home. Her daughter (our roommate) is the one being petty and has done all this. We were only informed via text around a week ago, no formal eviction notice and the homeowner (that we pay rent to) has stated she does not want to file an eviction notice. We have not had many problems living here, the reason for the roommate blowing up on us is because we "stay up cooking too late and are too loud, and we take up too much fridge space." We have tried talking it out with her but she doesn't want to talk and just results in her escalating further and cussing us out. What can we do to remedy the situation, and help prevent damage to our stuff? I worry while I am at work tomorrow she will throw out/destroy our property. We have been very accepting of moving out and have no intentions of staying beyond our welcome. We found an apartment as soon as we could and cannot move out until our new apartment is available in May. If she does throw away our property and destroy some of our things what should be our course of action? This is my first time dealing with this kind of thing. We do not do anything to warrant this kind of reaction. My girlfriend and I share a bedroom, always pay rent, and do the majority of the cleaning around the house while she does not have a job, lives off her mother and mostly just stays in her room. We always do the dishes and keep the common area clean. | i2x5sqi | i2x6smu | 1,648,772,669 | 1,648,773,117 | 20 | 27 | I am not a lawyer but I'd get a lock for your bedroom and put as much stuff in there as you can. Obviously not unrefrigerated food. | > If she does throw away our property and destroy some of our things what should be our course of action? Move out ASAP and sue for unlawful eviction. They can't restrict access to utilities, appliances, etc. | 0 | 448 | 1.35 |
ttdqgp | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | Roommate whose mom is the homeowner is being very petty to try and get us to leave even though we have signed a lease to move out 1 month from now and they have not filed an eviction notice My girlfriend I are in college in Statesboro, GA, and our roommate has moved all cooking utensils, chairs, etc. into her bedroom, unplugged the internet, put a sign on the washer and dryer saying we cannot use it, and wrote on the fridge she is going to throw away our food tomorrow. This all happened this morning. Her mother (the homeowner) is being understanding and says we have until June (2 months) to move out because she is selling the home. Her daughter (our roommate) is the one being petty and has done all this. We were only informed via text around a week ago, no formal eviction notice and the homeowner (that we pay rent to) has stated she does not want to file an eviction notice. We have not had many problems living here, the reason for the roommate blowing up on us is because we "stay up cooking too late and are too loud, and we take up too much fridge space." We have tried talking it out with her but she doesn't want to talk and just results in her escalating further and cussing us out. What can we do to remedy the situation, and help prevent damage to our stuff? I worry while I am at work tomorrow she will throw out/destroy our property. We have been very accepting of moving out and have no intentions of staying beyond our welcome. We found an apartment as soon as we could and cannot move out until our new apartment is available in May. If she does throw away our property and destroy some of our things what should be our course of action? This is my first time dealing with this kind of thing. We do not do anything to warrant this kind of reaction. My girlfriend and I share a bedroom, always pay rent, and do the majority of the cleaning around the house while she does not have a job, lives off her mother and mostly just stays in her room. We always do the dishes and keep the common area clean. | i2y480v | i305c6e | 1,648,789,825 | 1,648,831,924 | 2 | 3 | Many colleges have a student legal services to offer free aide to their students for issues exactly like this. Your advisor (or Google) should be able to get you in touch with the right folks at your school should you need additional resources | Document absolutely everything. Start doing a daily video walk through of the apartment. Take notes to match the video. | 0 | 42,099 | 1.5 |
2ooy1x | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked. Now the sheriff wants me to let them use my road. I posted this last week. To make a long story short, my neighbors sold part of their land in a way that left them landlocked, because they assumed I would let them access their property via my property via my road, which is gated and locked at all times. I got a lawyer and met with him. We hashed out a plan and I was feeling pretty good about everything. Yesterday (Sunday) around noon the purple land owners finished fencing in their property. My neighbors came home at about 3 PM and rang at the gate several times. I was advised by you guys as well as my lawyer to not let them in my gate even once, as that would set a precedent of them being allowed to use it. So, I ignored the ringing. Eventually the husband got out of the car and walked around to the other side of my property, which is not yet fenced in. He used that to get to my house and knocked on the door. I answered and told him I will not allow him to use my gate, and to leave my property. He told me he wouldn't leave until I opened the gate so his wife could drive the car through. I said I would not do so and threatened to call the police. He walked left and went back to the car. Then they started ringing the gate again. I looked out the window and they had a police officer with them. I went to the gate and informed the police officer that this is my property and I will not allow them to drive on it. I said that they have no legal right to access my property. Then I walked back to the house. After a couple of minutes the police officer walked around to get onto my land and to the house and knocked at the door. He said that because their land is landlocked, I need to allow them to use my road until another solution can be figured out, and I can't just deny them access to their property. I called my lawyer, who spoke with the police officer on the phone. The police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property, but that he strongly encourages me to work this out with my neighbors in a civil manner. He left. The neighbors left their car in front of my gate, walked around to the unfenced part of my land, walked across my yard and onto their own property. I called my lawyer. We reported them for trespassing today. They left their car there until about 10 AM this morning. Tonight I was visited by the sheriff. He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. He said, "I better not get another call. From this point forward you will allow them to get to and from their property and will not lock them out or in." Then he walked away. Called the lawyer. I am meeting with the lawyer in the morning. I am planning to ask her the following questions: 1. Is there a point where I should give into a police officer's request that I let them use my road? 2. If they block my gate again, can I have their car towed? The way they parked it, I would not have been able to leave my property via the gate. They were parked ON my land at the time, not on the public road. If anyone has any thoughts on these, I am all ears. Thank you. | cmp6dn3 | cmp5pz7 | 1,418,080,097 | 1,418,078,843 | 861 | 149 | Thank you so much for keeping us updated. This case is fascinating to me. >He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. Your driveway is not an established road. However, if you start letting him use it, it will become an established road. You're going to have to be stubborn up against the cop, he's leading you in the wrong direction, and it could be detrimental to you. Ironically, the road he previously used, on Purple Guy's property is an established road, and the cop should have been telling *that* guy he couldn't block his access. | Oh my god this must be so much fun for you. I would be loving it, personally. The power. The raw unadulterated power. >he police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property Don't give into the police officer - he knows he can't force you to do anything. Your neighbor shot the "solve this in a civil manner" plan in the foot when they started making demands. If they're parked on your land, I would definitely say you have a right to tow their property off of it since it's blocking your gate. Check with your lawyer to confirm. Keep us updated - I am literally so happy to have gotten an update this soon. Enjoy. | 1 | 1,254 | 5.778523 |
2ooy1x | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked. Now the sheriff wants me to let them use my road. I posted this last week. To make a long story short, my neighbors sold part of their land in a way that left them landlocked, because they assumed I would let them access their property via my property via my road, which is gated and locked at all times. I got a lawyer and met with him. We hashed out a plan and I was feeling pretty good about everything. Yesterday (Sunday) around noon the purple land owners finished fencing in their property. My neighbors came home at about 3 PM and rang at the gate several times. I was advised by you guys as well as my lawyer to not let them in my gate even once, as that would set a precedent of them being allowed to use it. So, I ignored the ringing. Eventually the husband got out of the car and walked around to the other side of my property, which is not yet fenced in. He used that to get to my house and knocked on the door. I answered and told him I will not allow him to use my gate, and to leave my property. He told me he wouldn't leave until I opened the gate so his wife could drive the car through. I said I would not do so and threatened to call the police. He walked left and went back to the car. Then they started ringing the gate again. I looked out the window and they had a police officer with them. I went to the gate and informed the police officer that this is my property and I will not allow them to drive on it. I said that they have no legal right to access my property. Then I walked back to the house. After a couple of minutes the police officer walked around to get onto my land and to the house and knocked at the door. He said that because their land is landlocked, I need to allow them to use my road until another solution can be figured out, and I can't just deny them access to their property. I called my lawyer, who spoke with the police officer on the phone. The police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property, but that he strongly encourages me to work this out with my neighbors in a civil manner. He left. The neighbors left their car in front of my gate, walked around to the unfenced part of my land, walked across my yard and onto their own property. I called my lawyer. We reported them for trespassing today. They left their car there until about 10 AM this morning. Tonight I was visited by the sheriff. He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. He said, "I better not get another call. From this point forward you will allow them to get to and from their property and will not lock them out or in." Then he walked away. Called the lawyer. I am meeting with the lawyer in the morning. I am planning to ask her the following questions: 1. Is there a point where I should give into a police officer's request that I let them use my road? 2. If they block my gate again, can I have their car towed? The way they parked it, I would not have been able to leave my property via the gate. They were parked ON my land at the time, not on the public road. If anyone has any thoughts on these, I am all ears. Thank you. | cmp6qrn | cmp6l72 | 1,418,080,782 | 1,418,080,492 | 314 | 221 | > Tonight I was visited by the sheriff. He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. He said, "I better not get another call. From this point forward you will allow them to get to and from their property and will not lock them out or in." Then he walked away. Called the lawyer. Remember that police officers are allowed to lie to you. The minute **you** let them start using the road, it becomes established. So if he uses the words "Just let them use it for now"... DON'T, because then you are allowing it. If the cop tries to tear down the gate to let them cross, he's opening them all up for some serious liability down the road. Pun intended. | Ask your lawyer to set up a meeting with you, your lawyer, and the sheriff. I would also suggest you include whomever the sheriff's boss is, but I'm not sure that sheriffs have bosses. Are they elected in your state? You might want to talk to your lawyer about the possibility of seeking a declaratory judgment on your neighbor's rights to your driveway and a temporary injunction preventing the neighbor from using the driveway in the meantime. If the sheriff won't back down, you might need a court order. | 1 | 290 | 1.420814 |
2ooy1x | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked. Now the sheriff wants me to let them use my road. I posted this last week. To make a long story short, my neighbors sold part of their land in a way that left them landlocked, because they assumed I would let them access their property via my property via my road, which is gated and locked at all times. I got a lawyer and met with him. We hashed out a plan and I was feeling pretty good about everything. Yesterday (Sunday) around noon the purple land owners finished fencing in their property. My neighbors came home at about 3 PM and rang at the gate several times. I was advised by you guys as well as my lawyer to not let them in my gate even once, as that would set a precedent of them being allowed to use it. So, I ignored the ringing. Eventually the husband got out of the car and walked around to the other side of my property, which is not yet fenced in. He used that to get to my house and knocked on the door. I answered and told him I will not allow him to use my gate, and to leave my property. He told me he wouldn't leave until I opened the gate so his wife could drive the car through. I said I would not do so and threatened to call the police. He walked left and went back to the car. Then they started ringing the gate again. I looked out the window and they had a police officer with them. I went to the gate and informed the police officer that this is my property and I will not allow them to drive on it. I said that they have no legal right to access my property. Then I walked back to the house. After a couple of minutes the police officer walked around to get onto my land and to the house and knocked at the door. He said that because their land is landlocked, I need to allow them to use my road until another solution can be figured out, and I can't just deny them access to their property. I called my lawyer, who spoke with the police officer on the phone. The police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property, but that he strongly encourages me to work this out with my neighbors in a civil manner. He left. The neighbors left their car in front of my gate, walked around to the unfenced part of my land, walked across my yard and onto their own property. I called my lawyer. We reported them for trespassing today. They left their car there until about 10 AM this morning. Tonight I was visited by the sheriff. He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. He said, "I better not get another call. From this point forward you will allow them to get to and from their property and will not lock them out or in." Then he walked away. Called the lawyer. I am meeting with the lawyer in the morning. I am planning to ask her the following questions: 1. Is there a point where I should give into a police officer's request that I let them use my road? 2. If they block my gate again, can I have their car towed? The way they parked it, I would not have been able to leave my property via the gate. They were parked ON my land at the time, not on the public road. If anyone has any thoughts on these, I am all ears. Thank you. | cmp6qrn | cmp5pz7 | 1,418,080,782 | 1,418,078,843 | 314 | 149 | > Tonight I was visited by the sheriff. He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. He said, "I better not get another call. From this point forward you will allow them to get to and from their property and will not lock them out or in." Then he walked away. Called the lawyer. Remember that police officers are allowed to lie to you. The minute **you** let them start using the road, it becomes established. So if he uses the words "Just let them use it for now"... DON'T, because then you are allowing it. If the cop tries to tear down the gate to let them cross, he's opening them all up for some serious liability down the road. Pun intended. | Oh my god this must be so much fun for you. I would be loving it, personally. The power. The raw unadulterated power. >he police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property Don't give into the police officer - he knows he can't force you to do anything. Your neighbor shot the "solve this in a civil manner" plan in the foot when they started making demands. If they're parked on your land, I would definitely say you have a right to tow their property off of it since it's blocking your gate. Check with your lawyer to confirm. Keep us updated - I am literally so happy to have gotten an update this soon. Enjoy. | 1 | 1,939 | 2.107383 |
2ooy1x | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked. Now the sheriff wants me to let them use my road. I posted this last week. To make a long story short, my neighbors sold part of their land in a way that left them landlocked, because they assumed I would let them access their property via my property via my road, which is gated and locked at all times. I got a lawyer and met with him. We hashed out a plan and I was feeling pretty good about everything. Yesterday (Sunday) around noon the purple land owners finished fencing in their property. My neighbors came home at about 3 PM and rang at the gate several times. I was advised by you guys as well as my lawyer to not let them in my gate even once, as that would set a precedent of them being allowed to use it. So, I ignored the ringing. Eventually the husband got out of the car and walked around to the other side of my property, which is not yet fenced in. He used that to get to my house and knocked on the door. I answered and told him I will not allow him to use my gate, and to leave my property. He told me he wouldn't leave until I opened the gate so his wife could drive the car through. I said I would not do so and threatened to call the police. He walked left and went back to the car. Then they started ringing the gate again. I looked out the window and they had a police officer with them. I went to the gate and informed the police officer that this is my property and I will not allow them to drive on it. I said that they have no legal right to access my property. Then I walked back to the house. After a couple of minutes the police officer walked around to get onto my land and to the house and knocked at the door. He said that because their land is landlocked, I need to allow them to use my road until another solution can be figured out, and I can't just deny them access to their property. I called my lawyer, who spoke with the police officer on the phone. The police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property, but that he strongly encourages me to work this out with my neighbors in a civil manner. He left. The neighbors left their car in front of my gate, walked around to the unfenced part of my land, walked across my yard and onto their own property. I called my lawyer. We reported them for trespassing today. They left their car there until about 10 AM this morning. Tonight I was visited by the sheriff. He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. He said, "I better not get another call. From this point forward you will allow them to get to and from their property and will not lock them out or in." Then he walked away. Called the lawyer. I am meeting with the lawyer in the morning. I am planning to ask her the following questions: 1. Is there a point where I should give into a police officer's request that I let them use my road? 2. If they block my gate again, can I have their car towed? The way they parked it, I would not have been able to leave my property via the gate. They were parked ON my land at the time, not on the public road. If anyone has any thoughts on these, I am all ears. Thank you. | cmp6l72 | cmp6wqc | 1,418,080,492 | 1,418,081,097 | 221 | 292 | Ask your lawyer to set up a meeting with you, your lawyer, and the sheriff. I would also suggest you include whomever the sheriff's boss is, but I'm not sure that sheriffs have bosses. Are they elected in your state? You might want to talk to your lawyer about the possibility of seeking a declaratory judgment on your neighbor's rights to your driveway and a temporary injunction preventing the neighbor from using the driveway in the meantime. If the sheriff won't back down, you might need a court order. | When you talk to your lawyer, you might ask about going to court and getting some sort of preemptive injunction / restraining order / no trespassing / they can't drive on your land order from a judge. If you've got that in writing from a judge, and are asking the police/sheriff to enforce it, that may help. It certainly sounds to me like the sheriff is mistaking your private driveway for an established common road. Thanks for the update, and good luck! | 0 | 605 | 1.321267 |
2ooy1x | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked. Now the sheriff wants me to let them use my road. I posted this last week. To make a long story short, my neighbors sold part of their land in a way that left them landlocked, because they assumed I would let them access their property via my property via my road, which is gated and locked at all times. I got a lawyer and met with him. We hashed out a plan and I was feeling pretty good about everything. Yesterday (Sunday) around noon the purple land owners finished fencing in their property. My neighbors came home at about 3 PM and rang at the gate several times. I was advised by you guys as well as my lawyer to not let them in my gate even once, as that would set a precedent of them being allowed to use it. So, I ignored the ringing. Eventually the husband got out of the car and walked around to the other side of my property, which is not yet fenced in. He used that to get to my house and knocked on the door. I answered and told him I will not allow him to use my gate, and to leave my property. He told me he wouldn't leave until I opened the gate so his wife could drive the car through. I said I would not do so and threatened to call the police. He walked left and went back to the car. Then they started ringing the gate again. I looked out the window and they had a police officer with them. I went to the gate and informed the police officer that this is my property and I will not allow them to drive on it. I said that they have no legal right to access my property. Then I walked back to the house. After a couple of minutes the police officer walked around to get onto my land and to the house and knocked at the door. He said that because their land is landlocked, I need to allow them to use my road until another solution can be figured out, and I can't just deny them access to their property. I called my lawyer, who spoke with the police officer on the phone. The police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property, but that he strongly encourages me to work this out with my neighbors in a civil manner. He left. The neighbors left their car in front of my gate, walked around to the unfenced part of my land, walked across my yard and onto their own property. I called my lawyer. We reported them for trespassing today. They left their car there until about 10 AM this morning. Tonight I was visited by the sheriff. He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. He said, "I better not get another call. From this point forward you will allow them to get to and from their property and will not lock them out or in." Then he walked away. Called the lawyer. I am meeting with the lawyer in the morning. I am planning to ask her the following questions: 1. Is there a point where I should give into a police officer's request that I let them use my road? 2. If they block my gate again, can I have their car towed? The way they parked it, I would not have been able to leave my property via the gate. They were parked ON my land at the time, not on the public road. If anyone has any thoughts on these, I am all ears. Thank you. | cmp6wqc | cmp5pz7 | 1,418,081,097 | 1,418,078,843 | 292 | 149 | When you talk to your lawyer, you might ask about going to court and getting some sort of preemptive injunction / restraining order / no trespassing / they can't drive on your land order from a judge. If you've got that in writing from a judge, and are asking the police/sheriff to enforce it, that may help. It certainly sounds to me like the sheriff is mistaking your private driveway for an established common road. Thanks for the update, and good luck! | Oh my god this must be so much fun for you. I would be loving it, personally. The power. The raw unadulterated power. >he police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property Don't give into the police officer - he knows he can't force you to do anything. Your neighbor shot the "solve this in a civil manner" plan in the foot when they started making demands. If they're parked on your land, I would definitely say you have a right to tow their property off of it since it's blocking your gate. Check with your lawyer to confirm. Keep us updated - I am literally so happy to have gotten an update this soon. Enjoy. | 1 | 2,254 | 1.959732 |
2ooy1x | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked. Now the sheriff wants me to let them use my road. I posted this last week. To make a long story short, my neighbors sold part of their land in a way that left them landlocked, because they assumed I would let them access their property via my property via my road, which is gated and locked at all times. I got a lawyer and met with him. We hashed out a plan and I was feeling pretty good about everything. Yesterday (Sunday) around noon the purple land owners finished fencing in their property. My neighbors came home at about 3 PM and rang at the gate several times. I was advised by you guys as well as my lawyer to not let them in my gate even once, as that would set a precedent of them being allowed to use it. So, I ignored the ringing. Eventually the husband got out of the car and walked around to the other side of my property, which is not yet fenced in. He used that to get to my house and knocked on the door. I answered and told him I will not allow him to use my gate, and to leave my property. He told me he wouldn't leave until I opened the gate so his wife could drive the car through. I said I would not do so and threatened to call the police. He walked left and went back to the car. Then they started ringing the gate again. I looked out the window and they had a police officer with them. I went to the gate and informed the police officer that this is my property and I will not allow them to drive on it. I said that they have no legal right to access my property. Then I walked back to the house. After a couple of minutes the police officer walked around to get onto my land and to the house and knocked at the door. He said that because their land is landlocked, I need to allow them to use my road until another solution can be figured out, and I can't just deny them access to their property. I called my lawyer, who spoke with the police officer on the phone. The police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property, but that he strongly encourages me to work this out with my neighbors in a civil manner. He left. The neighbors left their car in front of my gate, walked around to the unfenced part of my land, walked across my yard and onto their own property. I called my lawyer. We reported them for trespassing today. They left their car there until about 10 AM this morning. Tonight I was visited by the sheriff. He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. He said, "I better not get another call. From this point forward you will allow them to get to and from their property and will not lock them out or in." Then he walked away. Called the lawyer. I am meeting with the lawyer in the morning. I am planning to ask her the following questions: 1. Is there a point where I should give into a police officer's request that I let them use my road? 2. If they block my gate again, can I have their car towed? The way they parked it, I would not have been able to leave my property via the gate. They were parked ON my land at the time, not on the public road. If anyone has any thoughts on these, I am all ears. Thank you. | cmp5pz7 | cmp6l72 | 1,418,078,843 | 1,418,080,492 | 149 | 221 | Oh my god this must be so much fun for you. I would be loving it, personally. The power. The raw unadulterated power. >he police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property Don't give into the police officer - he knows he can't force you to do anything. Your neighbor shot the "solve this in a civil manner" plan in the foot when they started making demands. If they're parked on your land, I would definitely say you have a right to tow their property off of it since it's blocking your gate. Check with your lawyer to confirm. Keep us updated - I am literally so happy to have gotten an update this soon. Enjoy. | Ask your lawyer to set up a meeting with you, your lawyer, and the sheriff. I would also suggest you include whomever the sheriff's boss is, but I'm not sure that sheriffs have bosses. Are they elected in your state? You might want to talk to your lawyer about the possibility of seeking a declaratory judgment on your neighbor's rights to your driveway and a temporary injunction preventing the neighbor from using the driveway in the meantime. If the sheriff won't back down, you might need a court order. | 0 | 1,649 | 1.483221 |
2ooy1x | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked. Now the sheriff wants me to let them use my road. I posted this last week. To make a long story short, my neighbors sold part of their land in a way that left them landlocked, because they assumed I would let them access their property via my property via my road, which is gated and locked at all times. I got a lawyer and met with him. We hashed out a plan and I was feeling pretty good about everything. Yesterday (Sunday) around noon the purple land owners finished fencing in their property. My neighbors came home at about 3 PM and rang at the gate several times. I was advised by you guys as well as my lawyer to not let them in my gate even once, as that would set a precedent of them being allowed to use it. So, I ignored the ringing. Eventually the husband got out of the car and walked around to the other side of my property, which is not yet fenced in. He used that to get to my house and knocked on the door. I answered and told him I will not allow him to use my gate, and to leave my property. He told me he wouldn't leave until I opened the gate so his wife could drive the car through. I said I would not do so and threatened to call the police. He walked left and went back to the car. Then they started ringing the gate again. I looked out the window and they had a police officer with them. I went to the gate and informed the police officer that this is my property and I will not allow them to drive on it. I said that they have no legal right to access my property. Then I walked back to the house. After a couple of minutes the police officer walked around to get onto my land and to the house and knocked at the door. He said that because their land is landlocked, I need to allow them to use my road until another solution can be figured out, and I can't just deny them access to their property. I called my lawyer, who spoke with the police officer on the phone. The police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property, but that he strongly encourages me to work this out with my neighbors in a civil manner. He left. The neighbors left their car in front of my gate, walked around to the unfenced part of my land, walked across my yard and onto their own property. I called my lawyer. We reported them for trespassing today. They left their car there until about 10 AM this morning. Tonight I was visited by the sheriff. He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. He said, "I better not get another call. From this point forward you will allow them to get to and from their property and will not lock them out or in." Then he walked away. Called the lawyer. I am meeting with the lawyer in the morning. I am planning to ask her the following questions: 1. Is there a point where I should give into a police officer's request that I let them use my road? 2. If they block my gate again, can I have their car towed? The way they parked it, I would not have been able to leave my property via the gate. They were parked ON my land at the time, not on the public road. If anyone has any thoughts on these, I am all ears. Thank you. | cmp5pz7 | cmp6ws8 | 1,418,078,843 | 1,418,081,100 | 149 | 170 | Oh my god this must be so much fun for you. I would be loving it, personally. The power. The raw unadulterated power. >he police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property Don't give into the police officer - he knows he can't force you to do anything. Your neighbor shot the "solve this in a civil manner" plan in the foot when they started making demands. If they're parked on your land, I would definitely say you have a right to tow their property off of it since it's blocking your gate. Check with your lawyer to confirm. Keep us updated - I am literally so happy to have gotten an update this soon. Enjoy. | It sounds like your neighbor might be telling the sheriff that your road goes through to their land and always has, rather than ending at your garage and requiring them to drive their car over your landscaping. | 0 | 2,257 | 1.14094 |
2ooy1x | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked. Now the sheriff wants me to let them use my road. I posted this last week. To make a long story short, my neighbors sold part of their land in a way that left them landlocked, because they assumed I would let them access their property via my property via my road, which is gated and locked at all times. I got a lawyer and met with him. We hashed out a plan and I was feeling pretty good about everything. Yesterday (Sunday) around noon the purple land owners finished fencing in their property. My neighbors came home at about 3 PM and rang at the gate several times. I was advised by you guys as well as my lawyer to not let them in my gate even once, as that would set a precedent of them being allowed to use it. So, I ignored the ringing. Eventually the husband got out of the car and walked around to the other side of my property, which is not yet fenced in. He used that to get to my house and knocked on the door. I answered and told him I will not allow him to use my gate, and to leave my property. He told me he wouldn't leave until I opened the gate so his wife could drive the car through. I said I would not do so and threatened to call the police. He walked left and went back to the car. Then they started ringing the gate again. I looked out the window and they had a police officer with them. I went to the gate and informed the police officer that this is my property and I will not allow them to drive on it. I said that they have no legal right to access my property. Then I walked back to the house. After a couple of minutes the police officer walked around to get onto my land and to the house and knocked at the door. He said that because their land is landlocked, I need to allow them to use my road until another solution can be figured out, and I can't just deny them access to their property. I called my lawyer, who spoke with the police officer on the phone. The police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property, but that he strongly encourages me to work this out with my neighbors in a civil manner. He left. The neighbors left their car in front of my gate, walked around to the unfenced part of my land, walked across my yard and onto their own property. I called my lawyer. We reported them for trespassing today. They left their car there until about 10 AM this morning. Tonight I was visited by the sheriff. He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. He said, "I better not get another call. From this point forward you will allow them to get to and from their property and will not lock them out or in." Then he walked away. Called the lawyer. I am meeting with the lawyer in the morning. I am planning to ask her the following questions: 1. Is there a point where I should give into a police officer's request that I let them use my road? 2. If they block my gate again, can I have their car towed? The way they parked it, I would not have been able to leave my property via the gate. They were parked ON my land at the time, not on the public road. If anyone has any thoughts on these, I am all ears. Thank you. | cmp81gl | cmp98st | 1,418,083,276 | 1,418,085,567 | 83 | 130 | OP, I’m not 100% sure if your neighbours are hoping they can make a claim to use your land, or they actually honestly believe they have a right to it. That they called the police makes me think the latter. As I said in my last post, I think they’re going to have a tough time seeking a remedy because it would appear they deliberately didn’t seek an easement on the land they formerly owned, preferring to sell it unburdened and instead use your land instead. I am certain that, especially if one or both parties to that sale used a lawyer, the question of access was raised and dismissed by your neighbours on the basis that they would use your land instead. If this goes to court, discovery could be very interesting. However, it would seem that your neighbours don’t want to engage a lawyer and fight you for it, they just want to use it. I’d be very interested to hear what they have told the police, but an officer insisting that your neighbours should be able to use your private driveway, a piece of land they have never used nor had a right to use, is pretty extraordinary. Obviously consult with your lawyer, but I’m wondering if you should proactively address this issue now, rather than waiting for them to sue you. What they should have done was offer to pay for an easement. Instead, they want their cake to eat it too – access, with no maintenance costs or fees. As I said last time, based on the way you currently use the land with kids and animals, and the fact that you are concerned about maintenance, you could consider building a new gravel driveway on the border of the now-sold land, fence it off from your own and grant them that easement for a fee, or better, force them to buy that piece of land off you. That would ensure you don’t have to worry about them driving through the middle of your land or not closing your gate, and there won’t be additional wear and tear on your driveway and gate. Edit for clarity: I would only suggest forcing them to buy it off your to eliminate maintenance costs, since you're concerned they wouldn't otherwise contribute to any upkeep of your existing driveway. Sell it, and any upkeep is their problem. As other have said, in the meantime, don’t allow them onto the land. I’d be looking at cheap/temporary fencing in the meantime to fence the whole of your land, and make trespassing a little more clear. ‘No Trespassing’ signs where the husband climbed over would also help. Keep calling the police reporting trespass and get your lawyer to speak to every officer who suggests or insists that you let the neighbours in – until your neighbours have a court order granting them access, I don’t see how there’s an argument that you should have to let them in, especially when it is to your clear detriment. | It is perfectly legal to constuct a private highway and charge a toll for anyone using it. Build into the toll the cost of its construction, maintenance, toll booths,insurance, etc. and 24/7 manning of the toll booths. I would figure a $90.00 toll for each use would be fair. | 0 | 2,291 | 1.566265 |
2ooy1x | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | UPDATE: My neighbors caused themselves to be landlocked. Now the sheriff wants me to let them use my road. I posted this last week. To make a long story short, my neighbors sold part of their land in a way that left them landlocked, because they assumed I would let them access their property via my property via my road, which is gated and locked at all times. I got a lawyer and met with him. We hashed out a plan and I was feeling pretty good about everything. Yesterday (Sunday) around noon the purple land owners finished fencing in their property. My neighbors came home at about 3 PM and rang at the gate several times. I was advised by you guys as well as my lawyer to not let them in my gate even once, as that would set a precedent of them being allowed to use it. So, I ignored the ringing. Eventually the husband got out of the car and walked around to the other side of my property, which is not yet fenced in. He used that to get to my house and knocked on the door. I answered and told him I will not allow him to use my gate, and to leave my property. He told me he wouldn't leave until I opened the gate so his wife could drive the car through. I said I would not do so and threatened to call the police. He walked left and went back to the car. Then they started ringing the gate again. I looked out the window and they had a police officer with them. I went to the gate and informed the police officer that this is my property and I will not allow them to drive on it. I said that they have no legal right to access my property. Then I walked back to the house. After a couple of minutes the police officer walked around to get onto my land and to the house and knocked at the door. He said that because their land is landlocked, I need to allow them to use my road until another solution can be figured out, and I can't just deny them access to their property. I called my lawyer, who spoke with the police officer on the phone. The police officer acknowledged that he cannot force me to let them drive on my property, but that he strongly encourages me to work this out with my neighbors in a civil manner. He left. The neighbors left their car in front of my gate, walked around to the unfenced part of my land, walked across my yard and onto their own property. I called my lawyer. We reported them for trespassing today. They left their car there until about 10 AM this morning. Tonight I was visited by the sheriff. He told me very short and sweet that I cannot deny my neighbors access to their property via an established road. He said, "I better not get another call. From this point forward you will allow them to get to and from their property and will not lock them out or in." Then he walked away. Called the lawyer. I am meeting with the lawyer in the morning. I am planning to ask her the following questions: 1. Is there a point where I should give into a police officer's request that I let them use my road? 2. If they block my gate again, can I have their car towed? The way they parked it, I would not have been able to leave my property via the gate. They were parked ON my land at the time, not on the public road. If anyone has any thoughts on these, I am all ears. Thank you. | cmp81gl | cmp9vef | 1,418,083,276 | 1,418,086,879 | 83 | 90 | OP, I’m not 100% sure if your neighbours are hoping they can make a claim to use your land, or they actually honestly believe they have a right to it. That they called the police makes me think the latter. As I said in my last post, I think they’re going to have a tough time seeking a remedy because it would appear they deliberately didn’t seek an easement on the land they formerly owned, preferring to sell it unburdened and instead use your land instead. I am certain that, especially if one or both parties to that sale used a lawyer, the question of access was raised and dismissed by your neighbours on the basis that they would use your land instead. If this goes to court, discovery could be very interesting. However, it would seem that your neighbours don’t want to engage a lawyer and fight you for it, they just want to use it. I’d be very interested to hear what they have told the police, but an officer insisting that your neighbours should be able to use your private driveway, a piece of land they have never used nor had a right to use, is pretty extraordinary. Obviously consult with your lawyer, but I’m wondering if you should proactively address this issue now, rather than waiting for them to sue you. What they should have done was offer to pay for an easement. Instead, they want their cake to eat it too – access, with no maintenance costs or fees. As I said last time, based on the way you currently use the land with kids and animals, and the fact that you are concerned about maintenance, you could consider building a new gravel driveway on the border of the now-sold land, fence it off from your own and grant them that easement for a fee, or better, force them to buy that piece of land off you. That would ensure you don’t have to worry about them driving through the middle of your land or not closing your gate, and there won’t be additional wear and tear on your driveway and gate. Edit for clarity: I would only suggest forcing them to buy it off your to eliminate maintenance costs, since you're concerned they wouldn't otherwise contribute to any upkeep of your existing driveway. Sell it, and any upkeep is their problem. As other have said, in the meantime, don’t allow them onto the land. I’d be looking at cheap/temporary fencing in the meantime to fence the whole of your land, and make trespassing a little more clear. ‘No Trespassing’ signs where the husband climbed over would also help. Keep calling the police reporting trespass and get your lawyer to speak to every officer who suggests or insists that you let the neighbours in – until your neighbours have a court order granting them access, I don’t see how there’s an argument that you should have to let them in, especially when it is to your clear detriment. | Your neighbors called the cops to allow them to trespass on your land. That's...interesting. Is it the same cop telling you this? Or have you dealt with a few different officers? I wonder if they have a friend on the force. Also, did they drive their car off their property the day the fencing was being finished knowing that they wouldn't be able to get back to their house? I just can't even. Thank you so much for the update. I hope things go well with your meeting with your lawyer. Please keep updating if you don't mind! This situation is just awful for you but I think I speak for a lot of readers when I say I'm really curious about how it will play out. It's one for the /r/LegalAdvice annals. | 0 | 3,603 | 1.084337 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxfp2h | cpxfpge | 1,427,857,264 | 1,427,857,285 | 16 | 345 | *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.* ---
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> So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): > > Original post here > > So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. > > Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. > > So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. > > My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. > > So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. > > So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. > > And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. > > So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. > > He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! > > He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. > > Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." > > I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! > > **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | Omg you actually updated. Kudos! I've been stalking you for weeks. Edit: son of a bitch! You got me. | 0 | 21 | 21.5625 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxqy7q | cpxjfmy | 1,427,892,722 | 1,427,864,866 | 124 | 111 | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!! I HATE YOU WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING!!! I EVEN MEAN THIS SO MUCH THAT I DIDN'T EVEN USE CAPS LOCK, I USED THE DAMN SHIFT KEY!!!! | 1 | 27,856 | 1.117117 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxqy7q | cpxfwjm | 1,427,892,722 | 1,427,857,646 | 124 | 100 | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | >That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! The long troll. CONGRATULATIONS OP! insert slow clap...... [](https://media3.giphy.com/media/37Ez5CZ8P0jSM/200_s.gif) | 1 | 35,076 | 1.24 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxg0s6 | cpxqy7q | 1,427,857,868 | 1,427,892,722 | 55 | 124 | OP DELIVERED! I had almost given up on you edit: And Goddamn you OP. There's a specia place in hell for you | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | 0 | 34,854 | 2.254545 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxqy7q | cpxi4vv | 1,427,892,722 | 1,427,862,030 | 124 | 42 | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | I got so excited when I saw this post I nearly fell off my chair. Sadly then I remembered that I'd tagged the old guy, noticed this was a brand new account and I ruined the joke for myself. Anyways, bravo. | 1 | 30,692 | 2.952381 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxnq4h | cpxqy7q | 1,427,880,160 | 1,427,892,722 | 33 | 124 | HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! Edit: I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOURS MANAGE TO FIND AN OLD TITLE DEED ENTITLING THEM TO THE WHOLE OF YOUR LAND. THATS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | 0 | 12,562 | 3.757576 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxqy7q | cpxh6ry | 1,427,892,722 | 1,427,860,111 | 124 | 23 | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | That was the cruelest thing I have seen all day. | 1 | 32,611 | 5.391304 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxqy7q | cpxfp2h | 1,427,892,722 | 1,427,857,264 | 124 | 16 | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.* ---
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> So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): > > Original post here > > So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. > > Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. > > So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. > > My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. > > So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. > > So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. > > And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. > > So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. > > He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! > > He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. > > Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." > > I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! > > **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | 1 | 35,458 | 7.75 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxg0y0 | cpxqy7q | 1,427,857,877 | 1,427,892,722 | 13 | 124 | You got me pretty good with that. Good job. | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | 0 | 34,845 | 9.538462 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxilhb | cpxqy7q | 1,427,863,005 | 1,427,892,722 | 15 | 124 | I have OP UPDATE blueballs....so good until it was so painful and disappointing. | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | 0 | 29,717 | 8.266667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxqy7q | cpxgejj | 1,427,892,722 | 1,427,858,589 | 124 | 9 | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | You magnificent bastard. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/851/804/7db.gif | 1 | 34,133 | 13.777778 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxfz5o | cpxqy7q | 1,427,857,780 | 1,427,892,722 | 9 | 124 | Best one so far! | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | 0 | 34,942 | 13.777778 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxqy7q | cpxjgb2 | 1,427,892,722 | 1,427,864,910 | 124 | 9 | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | ... ... Well played. | 1 | 27,812 | 13.777778 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxqy7q | cpxk2kc | 1,427,892,722 | 1,427,866,372 | 124 | 10 | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. And yet, I still clicked. Hoping. Fuck you, OP. | 1 | 26,350 | 12.4 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxjk1j | cpxqy7q | 1,427,865,150 | 1,427,892,722 | 9 | 124 | *sobs* | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | 0 | 27,572 | 13.777778 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxqaeb | cpxqy7q | 1,427,890,865 | 1,427,892,722 | 7 | 124 | This is and will be the best thing I've read all day. | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | 0 | 1,857 | 17.714286 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxqy7q | cpxjhye | 1,427,892,722 | 1,427,865,017 | 124 | 8 | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | This is the best thing I've read in this subreddit since I've been here. One day this sub's "safe" will be opened. One day... | 1 | 27,705 | 15.5 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxnhb2 | cpxqy7q | 1,427,878,886 | 1,427,892,722 | 7 | 124 | Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner! | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | 0 | 13,836 | 17.714286 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxp9yk | cpxqy7q | 1,427,887,392 | 1,427,892,722 | 6 | 124 | OP needs to tell us how long ago he came up with this plan. I imagine that he's been waiting 3 months just for this opportunity. Good work. | First I thought "update on landlocked neighbors on April 1, this has to be fake". Then I started reading and I bought it. Then I got to the end. 10/10, well pranked. I even missed that the username was different. | 0 | 5,330 | 20.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxjfmy | cpxfwjm | 1,427,864,866 | 1,427,857,646 | 111 | 100 | YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!! I HATE YOU WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING!!! I EVEN MEAN THIS SO MUCH THAT I DIDN'T EVEN USE CAPS LOCK, I USED THE DAMN SHIFT KEY!!!! | >That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! The long troll. CONGRATULATIONS OP! insert slow clap...... [](https://media3.giphy.com/media/37Ez5CZ8P0jSM/200_s.gif) | 1 | 7,220 | 1.11 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxg0s6 | cpxjfmy | 1,427,857,868 | 1,427,864,866 | 55 | 111 | OP DELIVERED! I had almost given up on you edit: And Goddamn you OP. There's a specia place in hell for you | YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!! I HATE YOU WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING!!! I EVEN MEAN THIS SO MUCH THAT I DIDN'T EVEN USE CAPS LOCK, I USED THE DAMN SHIFT KEY!!!! | 0 | 6,998 | 2.018182 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxjfmy | cpxi4vv | 1,427,864,866 | 1,427,862,030 | 111 | 42 | YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!! I HATE YOU WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING!!! I EVEN MEAN THIS SO MUCH THAT I DIDN'T EVEN USE CAPS LOCK, I USED THE DAMN SHIFT KEY!!!! | I got so excited when I saw this post I nearly fell off my chair. Sadly then I remembered that I'd tagged the old guy, noticed this was a brand new account and I ruined the joke for myself. Anyways, bravo. | 1 | 2,836 | 2.642857 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxh6ry | cpxjfmy | 1,427,860,111 | 1,427,864,866 | 23 | 111 | That was the cruelest thing I have seen all day. | YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!! I HATE YOU WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING!!! I EVEN MEAN THIS SO MUCH THAT I DIDN'T EVEN USE CAPS LOCK, I USED THE DAMN SHIFT KEY!!!! | 0 | 4,755 | 4.826087 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxjfmy | cpxfp2h | 1,427,864,866 | 1,427,857,264 | 111 | 16 | YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!! I HATE YOU WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING!!! I EVEN MEAN THIS SO MUCH THAT I DIDN'T EVEN USE CAPS LOCK, I USED THE DAMN SHIFT KEY!!!! | *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.* ---
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> So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): > > Original post here > > So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. > > Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. > > So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. > > My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. > > So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. > > So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. > > And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. > > So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. > > He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! > > He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. > > Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." > > I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! > > **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | 1 | 7,602 | 6.9375 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxjfmy | cpxg0y0 | 1,427,864,866 | 1,427,857,877 | 111 | 13 | YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!! I HATE YOU WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING!!! I EVEN MEAN THIS SO MUCH THAT I DIDN'T EVEN USE CAPS LOCK, I USED THE DAMN SHIFT KEY!!!! | You got me pretty good with that. Good job. | 1 | 6,989 | 8.538462 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxjfmy | cpxilhb | 1,427,864,866 | 1,427,863,005 | 111 | 15 | YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!! I HATE YOU WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING!!! I EVEN MEAN THIS SO MUCH THAT I DIDN'T EVEN USE CAPS LOCK, I USED THE DAMN SHIFT KEY!!!! | I have OP UPDATE blueballs....so good until it was so painful and disappointing. | 1 | 1,861 | 7.4 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxgejj | cpxjfmy | 1,427,858,589 | 1,427,864,866 | 9 | 111 | You magnificent bastard. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/851/804/7db.gif | YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!! I HATE YOU WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING!!! I EVEN MEAN THIS SO MUCH THAT I DIDN'T EVEN USE CAPS LOCK, I USED THE DAMN SHIFT KEY!!!! | 0 | 6,277 | 12.333333 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxfz5o | cpxjfmy | 1,427,857,780 | 1,427,864,866 | 9 | 111 | Best one so far! | YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!! I HATE YOU WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY BEING!!! I EVEN MEAN THIS SO MUCH THAT I DIDN'T EVEN USE CAPS LOCK, I USED THE DAMN SHIFT KEY!!!! | 0 | 7,086 | 12.333333 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxfp2h | cpxfwjm | 1,427,857,264 | 1,427,857,646 | 16 | 100 | *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.* ---
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> So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): > > Original post here > > So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. > > Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. > > So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. > > My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. > > So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. > > So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. > > And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. > > So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. > > He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! > > He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. > > Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." > > I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! > > **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | >That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! The long troll. CONGRATULATIONS OP! insert slow clap...... [](https://media3.giphy.com/media/37Ez5CZ8P0jSM/200_s.gif) | 0 | 382 | 6.25 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxfp2h | cpxg0s6 | 1,427,857,264 | 1,427,857,868 | 16 | 55 | *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.* ---
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> So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): > > Original post here > > So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. > > Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. > > So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. > > My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. > > So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. > > So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. > > And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. > > So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. > > He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! > > He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. > > Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." > > I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! > > **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | OP DELIVERED! I had almost given up on you edit: And Goddamn you OP. There's a specia place in hell for you | 0 | 604 | 3.4375 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxg0s6 | cpxfz5o | 1,427,857,868 | 1,427,857,780 | 55 | 9 | OP DELIVERED! I had almost given up on you edit: And Goddamn you OP. There's a specia place in hell for you | Best one so far! | 1 | 88 | 6.111111 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxh6ry | cpxi4vv | 1,427,860,111 | 1,427,862,030 | 23 | 42 | That was the cruelest thing I have seen all day. | I got so excited when I saw this post I nearly fell off my chair. Sadly then I remembered that I'd tagged the old guy, noticed this was a brand new account and I ruined the joke for myself. Anyways, bravo. | 0 | 1,919 | 1.826087 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxfp2h | cpxi4vv | 1,427,857,264 | 1,427,862,030 | 16 | 42 | *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.* ---
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> So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): > > Original post here > > So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. > > Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. > > So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. > > My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. > > So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. > > So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. > > And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. > > So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. > > He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! > > He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. > > Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." > > I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! > > **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | I got so excited when I saw this post I nearly fell off my chair. Sadly then I remembered that I'd tagged the old guy, noticed this was a brand new account and I ruined the joke for myself. Anyways, bravo. | 0 | 4,766 | 2.625 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxg0y0 | cpxi4vv | 1,427,857,877 | 1,427,862,030 | 13 | 42 | You got me pretty good with that. Good job. | I got so excited when I saw this post I nearly fell off my chair. Sadly then I remembered that I'd tagged the old guy, noticed this was a brand new account and I ruined the joke for myself. Anyways, bravo. | 0 | 4,153 | 3.230769 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxgejj | cpxi4vv | 1,427,858,589 | 1,427,862,030 | 9 | 42 | You magnificent bastard. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/851/804/7db.gif | I got so excited when I saw this post I nearly fell off my chair. Sadly then I remembered that I'd tagged the old guy, noticed this was a brand new account and I ruined the joke for myself. Anyways, bravo. | 0 | 3,441 | 4.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxi4vv | cpxfz5o | 1,427,862,030 | 1,427,857,780 | 42 | 9 | I got so excited when I saw this post I nearly fell off my chair. Sadly then I remembered that I'd tagged the old guy, noticed this was a brand new account and I ruined the joke for myself. Anyways, bravo. | Best one so far! | 1 | 4,250 | 4.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxh6ry | cpxnq4h | 1,427,860,111 | 1,427,880,160 | 23 | 33 | That was the cruelest thing I have seen all day. | HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! Edit: I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOURS MANAGE TO FIND AN OLD TITLE DEED ENTITLING THEM TO THE WHOLE OF YOUR LAND. THATS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. | 0 | 20,049 | 1.434783 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxfp2h | cpxnq4h | 1,427,857,264 | 1,427,880,160 | 16 | 33 | *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.* ---
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> So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): > > Original post here > > So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. > > Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. > > So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. > > My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. > > So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. > > So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. > > And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. > > So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. > > He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! > > He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. > > Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." > > I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! > > **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! Edit: I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOURS MANAGE TO FIND AN OLD TITLE DEED ENTITLING THEM TO THE WHOLE OF YOUR LAND. THATS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. | 0 | 22,896 | 2.0625 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxnq4h | cpxg0y0 | 1,427,880,160 | 1,427,857,877 | 33 | 13 | HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! Edit: I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOURS MANAGE TO FIND AN OLD TITLE DEED ENTITLING THEM TO THE WHOLE OF YOUR LAND. THATS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. | You got me pretty good with that. Good job. | 1 | 22,283 | 2.538462 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxnq4h | cpxilhb | 1,427,880,160 | 1,427,863,005 | 33 | 15 | HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! Edit: I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOURS MANAGE TO FIND AN OLD TITLE DEED ENTITLING THEM TO THE WHOLE OF YOUR LAND. THATS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. | I have OP UPDATE blueballs....so good until it was so painful and disappointing. | 1 | 17,155 | 2.2 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxgejj | cpxnq4h | 1,427,858,589 | 1,427,880,160 | 9 | 33 | You magnificent bastard. http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/851/804/7db.gif | HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! Edit: I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOURS MANAGE TO FIND AN OLD TITLE DEED ENTITLING THEM TO THE WHOLE OF YOUR LAND. THATS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. | 0 | 21,571 | 3.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxfz5o | cpxnq4h | 1,427,857,780 | 1,427,880,160 | 9 | 33 | Best one so far! | HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! Edit: I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOURS MANAGE TO FIND AN OLD TITLE DEED ENTITLING THEM TO THE WHOLE OF YOUR LAND. THATS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. | 0 | 22,380 | 3.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxjgb2 | cpxnq4h | 1,427,864,910 | 1,427,880,160 | 9 | 33 | ... ... Well played. | HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! Edit: I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOURS MANAGE TO FIND AN OLD TITLE DEED ENTITLING THEM TO THE WHOLE OF YOUR LAND. THATS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. | 0 | 15,250 | 3.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxk2kc | cpxnq4h | 1,427,866,372 | 1,427,880,160 | 10 | 33 | I knew this was going to happen. I knew it. And yet, I still clicked. Hoping. Fuck you, OP. | HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! Edit: I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOURS MANAGE TO FIND AN OLD TITLE DEED ENTITLING THEM TO THE WHOLE OF YOUR LAND. THATS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. | 0 | 13,788 | 3.3 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxnq4h | cpxjk1j | 1,427,880,160 | 1,427,865,150 | 33 | 9 | HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! Edit: I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOURS MANAGE TO FIND AN OLD TITLE DEED ENTITLING THEM TO THE WHOLE OF YOUR LAND. THATS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. | *sobs* | 1 | 15,010 | 3.666667 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxjhye | cpxnq4h | 1,427,865,017 | 1,427,880,160 | 8 | 33 | This is the best thing I've read in this subreddit since I've been here. One day this sub's "safe" will be opened. One day... | HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! Edit: I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOURS MANAGE TO FIND AN OLD TITLE DEED ENTITLING THEM TO THE WHOLE OF YOUR LAND. THATS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. | 0 | 15,143 | 4.125 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxnq4h | cpxnhb2 | 1,427,880,160 | 1,427,878,886 | 33 | 7 | HOLY SHIT OP DELIVERED! Edit: I FUCKING HATE YOU. I HOPE YOUR NEIGHBOURS MANAGE TO FIND AN OLD TITLE DEED ENTITLING THEM TO THE WHOLE OF YOUR LAND. THATS HOW MUCH I HATE YOU RIGHT NOW. | Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner! | 1 | 1,274 | 4.714286 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxxfhy | cpxh6ry | 1,427,905,218 | 1,427,860,111 | 24 | 23 | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | That was the cruelest thing I have seen all day. | 1 | 45,107 | 1.043478 |
310bkn | legaladvice_train | 0.72 | UPDATE: My landlocked neighbors, the sheriff and me So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): Original post here So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | cpxxfhy | cpxfp2h | 1,427,905,218 | 1,427,857,264 | 24 | 16 | This is the best April Fools Day joke on Reddit. | *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.* ---
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> So many people have been asking for an update and so I wrote something up and had my lawyer review it just so people can stop bombarding my inbox. He made some changes and cut it down a bit but here is the approved statement (TL;DR at end for the impatient): > > Original post here > > So when we left off last, my neighbors had resorted to actually parking on my land in order to block me in and were using the police to try to strong arm me into giving into their demands. Thanks to the suggestions here, I set up a meeting with a highly recommended real estate lawyer in the area. We discussed the entire situation and he suggested a few options for trying to resolve this whole mess. He warned that lawsuits, especially about land rights, can take years and years to work through the courts and of course, that means they cost a fortune. > > Instead, as a cheaper and faster alternative, he suggested that the neighbors and we go to what's called "non-binding mediation". As he described it, it's a process where both sides meet and a neutral mediator tries to find a "middle ground" that everyone can agree on. If they do, some sort of contract is written up and everyone signs it. This way you can avoid the time and expense of a lawsuit. So we figured, why not give it a shot since there was really nothing to lose at this point. > > So my lawyer makes the arrangements with the neighbors directly and although it was not an easy or quick process, they eventually agreed. Then there were more weeks spent trying to agree on a mediator. Once that was finally done, we set up a date last week at some other lawyer's conference room for everyone to meet. > > My lawyer spent a lot of time preparing and discussing the various possibilities and outcomes and going in, I was super nervous and second guessing the decision not to just file a lawsuit. But my lawyer was really great and assured that this was the best decision for this kind of situation. > > So on the way into the meeting, we get stuck in the elevator together on the way up. No one says a word and they just looked like they wanted to kill me right there in the office. We get out and are eventually split into two separate rooms, and are told to meet in the conference room when we were ready. > > So after calming me down again, we head into the main room and the mediator, another lawyer, introduces himself to everyone and explains the process. Immediately, the neighbors start giving him a hard time and asking him questions that basically accused him of working for us. But he stayed calm and kept repeating that he was neutral and that while he hoped to broker a resolution, he did not work for either side and it was entirely up to the parties how this would end. > > And so began World War III, right there in the conference room. My neighbors, true to form, proved to everyone in the entire building that they were plum crazy with all their red-faced ranting and raving and yelling, most of which was directed at our lawyer and the mediator. > > So we get split up into separate rooms again I guess to try to calm things down. It's now been a half hour in the separate room and I am just about to tell my lawyer to pull the plug on the whole thing when the mediator comes to our room by himself and says he has a proposal. > > He explains that he was able to calm the neighbors down and got the feeling that this wasn't just about them landlocking themselves, but rather them feeling that somehow, I had taken advantage of them! > > He quickly explained that he did not agree with their "assessment" but it was his job to find some middle ground anyway. So my lawyer asked him what their proposal was. The mediator says that the neighbors were willing to go after their seller for an "easement by necessity" and not use my land (or block my gate), but that they could not currently afford to pay for a lawyer to file the lawsuit they needed. > > Worried, I asked what they wanted to get from me out of this whole deal, since this seemed almost too good to be true. Even my lawyer was surprised. So the mediator takes a deep breath and warns us that we're probably not going to like the offer, but that it was just the first offer and that everything was still potentially negotiable. Really worried now, we ask again what the neighbors wanted. The mediator says "As I explained, [the neighbors] can't afford to pay for a lawsuit right now, so they would like you to pay for it in exchange for them abandoning their claim to use your land." > > I was too dumbfounded to even say anything, but my lawyer had the presence of mind to ask just exactly how much these lunatics expected me to pay them to go away. That's when the mediator pulled his chair up real close to us, leaned in, and said "about three fiddy". And that's right about when I realized that our neighbors were a three hundred foot tall monster from the paleolithic era. Let this be a lesson to you all - be careful who you ask for updates! > > **TL;DR** Hired lawyer. Tried to avoid lawsuit via mediation. Crazy neighbors finally agreed but, as expected, showed their true colors. Now I need to find change for a dollar. | 1 | 47,954 | 1.5 |
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