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ููู ูู ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ุฏูู ุฃูุฑูููุง ุฌููุจ ุงูุตุญุฑุงุก.
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but in a lot of sub-saharan african countries.
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ุชููู ูุฐู ุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ู
ุฑูุฒูุฉ ุจุดูู ูุง ููุตุฏู ูู ุชูุธูู ููุตู ุงูู
ูุธููู.
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this is incredibly centralized management in hiring and firing of staff.
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ู
ุง ูุนูู ุฃูู ุฅุฐุง ููุช ูุงุธุฑูุง ูู ู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุฑูููุฉ.
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which means if you are a head teacher in a rural school.
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ูุนุชู
ุฏ ูู ุงูู
ุนูู
ูู ุนูู ุชูู ุงูุงุญุชุฑุงููุฉ.
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all of the teachers are relying on that professionalism.
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ููุง ูู
ููู ุฃููู
ูุธูุฑูู ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ.
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and you cannot they turn up at the school.
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ูุฐูู ูุฅู ูุฏู ุฃูุบูุฏุง ุญู ุชุบูุจ ู
ุนูู
ูู ูู ุงูุนุดุฑููุงุช ุงูู
ุฑุชูุนุฉ.
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so Uganda has a teacher absenteeism right in the high 20s.
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ุงูุฐู ููุถุนู ุชู
ุงู
ูุง ุจูุถูุญ.
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which is completely debilitating obviously.
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ููุฐูู ู
ู ุฎูุงู ุฌุนู ู
ูุธูู ุงูุฅุฏุงุฑุฉ ูุนูููุง ูู ู
ุณุชููู ู
ุญูููุง ุฃูุซุฑ.
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and so by actually having the management staff at more local level.
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ูุญู ูุงุฏุฑูู ุนูู ุงูุชุฃูุฏ ู
ู ุฃู ุงูู
ุนูู
ูู ูู ุงููุตู ู
ู ุฃุฌู ุจุฏุงูุฉ ุชุณุงุนุฏ.
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we are able to make sure that teachers are in class for start which helps.
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ูุชุณุงุกู ู
ููู ุชูุนููู ุฃูุชู
ุฃู ุฌูุฏุฉ ุฐูู
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wondering who do you that the quality of that
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ูุฐูู ูุฅู ูุฏููุง ูุฑูู ุชูููู
ู
ุฑุงูุจุฉ ูุนู
ู ุนูู ู
ุฌู
ูุนุฉ ุฃุฌุฒุงุก ู
ุฎุชููุฉ ู
ู ุงูุชูููู
.
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so we have got a monitoring evaluation team who work on range of different bits of assessment.
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ุฃูู
ุดูุก ุนุงูู ุงูู
ุณุชูู ูู ูุชุงุฆุฌ ุงูุงู
ุชุญุงูุงุช.
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the most important high-level thing is the exam results.
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ุฃููุง ูุตุจุญ ุฃููุง ูุตุจุญ ูู ููุงูุฉ ุงูุชุนููู
ู
ู ุฃุฑุจุน ุณููุงุช.
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that we are getting that we are getting at the end of four years education.
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ู
ู ุงููุงุถุญ ุฃู ุงูุงู
ุชุญุงู ูููู ุฃูุถูุง ุฐุง ู
ุนูู.
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obviously the exam is also are only meaningful.
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ุฅุฐุง ุฃุฎุฐุชู
ุฃูุถูุง ูู ุงูุงุนุชุจุงุฑ ุงูุณูุงู ูุงูุฏุฑุฌุงุช ุงูุชู ูุฏุฎู ุจูุง ุงูุทูุงุจ.
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if you also take into account the context and the grades the students are coming in with.
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ุญุณููุง ูุฏุฎู ุทูุงุจูุง ุจุงูุฏุฑุฌุงุช ู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูุฉ.
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so our students are coming in with grades from primary schools.
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ุงูุชู ุชููู ุฃุณูุฃ ู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุญููู
ูุฉ.
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which are worse than government schools.
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ูุชูุชูู ูู ุงูู
ุชูุณุท ุฃูุถู ู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุญููู
ูุฉ ูู ูุฐู ุงูุขููุฉ.
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and ending on average better than government schools at the moment.
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ูุฐูู ูู
ู ุงูุฃุณุงุณู ุฃู ููุงุณ ุงูููู
ุฉ ุงูู
ุถุงูุฉ ูููุฑู ุจูู ุงู
ุชุญุงู ุชุงุฑูู ุงูุงุจุชุฏุงุฆู.
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so it is mainly that value-added measure of the difference between primary leavers exam.
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ูุชุฑู ู
ุฏุฑุณุชูุง ูู ุงููุตูู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณูุฉ ุงูุฃูุงุฏูู
ูุฉ.
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and leaving our school in academic terms.
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ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ูู
ุง ุชุนุฑููู ูุฃููุง ูุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ุจุนุถ ุงูุฃู
ูุฑ ุงูุฃุณุงุณูุฉ ุฌุฏูุง.
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and then you know because we are talking about some quite basic things.
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ููุงุณุงุช ููุท ู
ุซู ููุงุณุงุช ุฅุฏุฎุงู ุฃูุซุฑ ู
ู ุงููุชุงุฆุฌ.
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just measures like more input measures than outcomes.
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ุฃุดูุงุก ู
ุซู ุงูุญุถูุฑุ ูุฃุดูุงุก ู
ุซู ุญุถูุฑ ุงูู
ุนูู
ูู.
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things like attendance, things like teacher attendance.
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ุงูุฃุดูุงุก ุงูุชู ุชููู ูููุงุก ูุงุถุญูู ููุฌูุฏุฉ.
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things which are clear proxies of quality.
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ูุญู ูุจุฐู ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ููุงุณ ุฐูู ูุถูุงู ุนู ุฃุดูุงุก ุงูู
ุฏู ุงูุฃุทูู.
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we are doing a lot of measurement of that as well as the longer term stuff.
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ููู ุชุณุชูุฏููู ุงูุทูุงุจ ูููู ุชุญูููู ู
ููู
ุ ููู
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how you target at students and how you verify them? how you
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ููููุฉ ุงุณุชูุฏุงู ุงูุทูุงุจุ ูุฐูู ูุญู ูุง ูุณุชูุฏู ุงูุทูุงุจ ุญููุง.
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how to target the students, so we do not really target the students.
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ูุญู ูุณุชูุฏู ุงูู
ูุงุทู.
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we target the areas.
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ูุญู ูุนู
ู ูู ู
ูุงุทู ุญูุซ 250 ุทููุงู ุฃู ุฃูุซุฑ ูุชุฑููู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุงูุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูุฉ.
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we work in areas where 250 or more kids are leaving primary school.
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ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ุนุฏู
ุฏุฎูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุงูุซุงูููุฉ.
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and then not going into secondary school.
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ูุณูุฒุฑุน ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ููุงู.
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and we will plant the school there.
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ุซู
ุจุนุฏ ุฐููุ ุชููู ู
ุฌุฑุฏ ูุฑุจ ุฌุบุฑุงูู.
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and then after that, it is just geographical proximity.
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ุชูู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุฌู
ูุนูุง ุณุฑูุนูุง ุฌุฏูุง.
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the schools are all growing very fast.
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ูุญู ูุจูู ููุนูุง ู
ุง ูู
ูุงูุจุฉ ุงูุทูุจ.
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we kind of build to keep up with demand.
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ููุฐูู ูู ุชูู ุงููุญุธุฉ ููุณ ูุฏููุง ููุน ุงูุงุฎุชูุงุฑ ุนูู ุงููุจูู.
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and so at that moment we are not having the kind of select on admissions.
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ูุญุชู ุฅู ูุนููุงุ ููู ูุฎุชุงุฑ ุนูู ุฃุณุงุณ ุงููุฏุฑุฉ ุงูุฃูุงุฏูู
ูุฉ.
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and even if we did, we would not select on the basis of academic ability.
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ูุฃู ุงูุฃุทูุงู ูู ุฃูุบูุฏุง ุงูุฐูู ููููู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุงูุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูุฉ
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because kids in Uganda finishing primary school
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ุงูุบุงูุจูุฉ ุงูุนุธู
ู ู
ู
ุง ุฅุฐุง ูุงููุง ูุจููู ุจูุงุกู ุญุณููุง ุฃู
ูุง.
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the vast majority of whether they are doing well or not.
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ูู ุฌูุฏุฉ ุงูุชุนููู
ุงูุฐู ูุชููููู ุจุฏูุงู ู
ู ุฅู
ูุงูุงุชูู
.
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is the quality of the education they receive rather their potential.
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ููุฃููู ุฃู
ูููุงุ ูุง ุฃุฑูุฏ ุงูุงุฎุชูุงุฑ ุนูู ุงูุฅู
ูุงููุฉ ูู ุณู 11 ุจุฃู ุทุฑููุฉ.
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and to be honest, I do not want to select on potential in age 11 in any way.
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ูุฃูู ูุนูููุง ูู
ุง ุชุนูู
ูู ุฃูุชู
ุชุฑูุฏูู ู
ุณุงุนุฏุฉ ุงูุฌู
ูุน.
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because actually you know you want to be helping everyone.
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ููุญุตูู ุนูู ุฃูุถู ุชุนููู
ูุฏุฑ ุฅู
ูุงููู
ูู ุชูู ุงูู
ุฑุญูุฉ.
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to get the best education they can at that stage.
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ูุฐูู ูุฅููุง ููุณุช ุงูููุงุกุฉุ ุฅูู ูุชุนูู ุจุงูู
ุณุงูุงุฉ.
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so it is not efficiency, it is about equity.
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ูุนู
ุ ุฃูุง ุขุณู
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yeah, I am sorry
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ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ูู
ููู ุณู
ุงุนู
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I think you can hear me
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ูุนู
ุ ุฃูุถูุง ูุชุฑุฉ ุงูุญู
ู ูุฑูุน ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ.
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yeah, also gestation period of putting the school up.
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ุฃุนูู ุนุงุฏุฉู ุฅุฐุง ุฃุฎุฐุชู
ุฌู
ุน ุงูุชุจุฑุนุงุช ู
ู ุงูููุทุฉ ุงูุชู ููุฑุฑูุง.
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I mean normally if you take out fundraising from the point that we decide.
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ุฃููุง ุณูู ูุจูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูุงูู
ุงู ููุงู ุจุนุฏ ุฐูู
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that we are going to build the school and the money there then
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ูุง ูุฒุงู ูุฌุฏ ูุทุนุฉ ุฃุฑุถ ูู ุงูุญุฑูุฉ ูุจูุงุก ู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูู ุนุงู
ูู ููุตู ุดูุฑ.
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we still find a piece of land at the movement to build a school in two and a half month.
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ูุงูุฅุทูุงู ูู ูุจุฑุงูุฑ.
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and launch in February.
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ุงูุฐู ูุนุทููู
ููุฑุฉ ููููุง ูุง ูุฑูุฏ ุฃู ููุนู ุฐูู ูู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณุฉ ุงูู
ุชูุณุทุฉ.
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that gives you an idea but we do not want to do that for the average school.
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ููููุง ุตุงุฏููุง ุฃู ูุงู ูุฏููุง ุชุญุฏู ู
ุน ุงูู
ูุทูุฉ ุงูู
ุญููุฉ.
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but we happened to have had a challenge with the local district.
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ุญูุซ ุนู
ููุง ูู ูุทุนุฉ ุฃุฑุถ ููุชุฑุฉ ุทูููุฉ
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where we worked in a piece of land for a long time
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ุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ุชูุทูุจ ู
ูุง ุฑุดูุฉุ ููููุง ุฅููุง ูู ูุฏูุน ุฑุดูุฉ.
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then we are asked for a bribe , and said we will not pay a bribe.
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ุซู
ููุฏูุง ุงูุฃุฑุถ ููุฐูู ูุงู ุนูููุง ุฃู ูุฌุฏ ูุทุนุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู ูู ุญุงูุงุช ุงูุทูุงุฑุฆ.
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and then we lost the land and so we had to find another piece in emergency.
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ููู ุนุงุฏุฉู ูู
ุง ุชุนูู
ูู ุฎู
ุณุฉ ุฃู ุณุชุฉ ุฃุดูุฑ ูุงููุฉ.
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but normally you know five or six months is enough.
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ูุจูุงุก ูู ุดูุก ู
ู ุงูุตูุฑ.
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to build everything from scratch.
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ููู ุนุงู
ูุถูู ุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ู
ุฑุงูู ุฅุถุงููุฉ ุฅูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ.
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and each year we then add extra facilities to the school.
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ูุฐูู ูุญู ูุง ูุจูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุจุฃูู
ููุง ุนูู ุงูุฅุทูุงู ูู ุงูุณูุฉ ุงูุฃููู.
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so we do not build absolutely the entire school in the first year.
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ุดูุฑูุง ูู.
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thank you.
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ููุช ุฅููู
ุชุชูุงุถูู ุฑุณูู
ูุง ููุคูุงุก ุงูุทูุงุจ.
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you said that you charge fees for these students.
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ูููุช ุฅู ุงูุฑุณูู
ุงูุญููู
ูุฉ ูู
ุง ุชุนูู
ูุนูููุง.
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and you said the government fees are you know actually.
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ููู ููุงู ุจุนุถ ุงูุชูุงููู ุงูุฎููุฉ.
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but there are some hidden cost.
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ุฃุฑุฏุช ููุท ุฃู ุฃููู
ู
ุง ูู
ูู ุฃู ูููู ุงููุฑู ูู ุงูุฑุณูู
.
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I just wanted to understand what would be the difference in the fees.
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ูููู ุชุฏูุฑูู ุจุงููุณุจุฉ ููุทูุงุจ ุงูุฐูู ูุง ูู
ูู ุงูุฏูุน ุญููุงุ
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and how do you manage for students who really cannot possibly pay?
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ูู ุชุจุนุฏูููู
ุนู ุงููุธุงู
ุ
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do you keep them out of the system?
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ุฃู
ุฃู ููุงู ุทุฑููุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู ุชุณุงุนุฏูููู
ุจูุงุ
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or is there another way helping them out?
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ูุนู
ุญุณููุง ูู
ุง ููุช ุชูุงููููุง ุงูุฅุฌู
ุงููุฉ ููุญุถูุฑ ุฅูู ุฅุญุฏู ู
ุฏุงุฑุณูุง.
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yeah so as I said our total charges to coming to one of our schools.
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ูุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุงูููู
ูู 71ูช ู
ู ุงูุฑุณูู
ูู ุงูุญููู
ุฉ ุงูุชู ูููุชุฑุถ ุฃู ุชููู ู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ู
ุฌุงููุฉ.
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as the day school is 71% of the charges in the government supposedly free school.
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ูุญูุงูู 44ูช ู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุฎุงุตุฉ ุงูุฃุฎุฑู.
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and about 44% of other private schools.
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ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ุนูุฏู
ุง ุชูุงุฑูููุง.
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and then when you compare them.
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ู
ูุงุจู ุบุงูุจูุฉ ู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงููุฎุจุฉ ูู ูู
ุจุงูุง.
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against the majority of the elite schools in Kamapla.
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ุชููู ููุนูุง ู
ุง ุญูุงูู 20 ู
ู ุงูุชูููุฉ.
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they are kind of about 20th of the cost.
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ูู
ุง ูุฏ ุชุฏูุนู ุงูุทุจูุฉ ุงููุณุทู.
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of what the middle class would pay.
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ุงูุณุคุงู ูู
ุง ุชุนูู
ูู ุจุงููุณุจุฉ ูู ุญุชู ุฅู ูู
ูุณุงุนุฏ ุฃู ุดุฎุต.
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the question you know for me even if we did not help anyone.
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ุงูุฐู ูุง ูู
ููู ุญุชู ุชุญู
ู ุชูู ุงูุฑุณูู
ุญููุง.
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who really could not even afford those fees.
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ูุฅูู ูุง ูุฒุงู ุฌูุฏูุง ุจู
ุง ููู ุงูููุงูุฉุ ููููุง ูุชุจูู ุทุฑููุง ู
ุฎุชููุฉ.
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it would still be good enough, but we do embrace different ways.
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ูุญู ูุจุชูุฑ ูุง ุณูู
ุง ุนูุฏู
ุง ูููู ูุฏู ุดุฎุต ู
ุง ุชุบูุฑ ูู ุงูุธุฑูู.
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we create in particular when someone has a change of circumstances.
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ุนูุฏู
ุง ูููููู ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉุ ูุงููุง ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูุจุถุน ุณููุงุช.
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when they are in the school, they had been in the school for a couple of years.
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ูุฃุญุฏ ุงููุงูุฏูู ูู
ูุช ุฃู ุดูุก ู
ุซู ุฐูู.
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and a parent dies or something like that.
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ูุณู
ุญ ููู
ุฏุงุฆู
ูุง ุจู
ูุงุตูุฉ ุงูุชุนููู
ู
ุฌุงููุง ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ.
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we would always let them continue education free at the school.
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ููู ุงูููุฑุฉ ูู ุฃููุง ูุฒูุฏ ุงููุตูู ุชุฏุฑูุฌููุง.
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but the idea is that we are incrementally increasing access.
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ูุฅุนุทุงุฆูู
ููุฑุฉ ุนู ุงูุฑุณูู
ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณูุฉ ุงูููู
ุงูุชู ูุฃุฎุฐูุง ุจุงูุฌูููุงุช.
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to give you an idea of the day school fees that we are taking in pounds.
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ุงูุชู ูู ุจูุบุฉ ุนู
ูุชู 11 ุฌููููุง ุฃู ุฑุจู
ุง 16 ุฏููุงุฑูุง ููู ุทุงูุจ ููู ูุตู ุฏุฑุงุณู.
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which is in my currency language is 11 pounds or maybe 16 dollars per student per term.
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ููู ุฐูู ูุดู
ู ูุฌุจุฉ ุบุฏุงุก ูู ููู
.
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but that includes lunch every day.
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ูุฐูู ุชุตู ูุนูููุง ุฅูู 48 ุฏููุงุฑูุง ูุนุงู
ูุงู
ู ููู
ุฉ ุงูุชุณุนุฉ ุฃุดูุฑ ูููุง.
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so actually it times up 48 dollars for an entire year worth of all nine month.
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ููู
ุฉ ุงูุบุฏุงุก ูู ููู
.
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worth of lunch every day.
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ุฅูู ุฌูุฏ ูุนูููุง.
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it is actually okay.
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ูุฐูู ูุฅููู
ูุง ุชุฏูุนูู ุญููุง ููุชุนููู
ุนูู ุงูุฅุทูุงู.
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so you are not really paying for tuition at all.
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ุฅููู
ุชุฏูุนูู ุชูููุฉ ุงูุบุฏุงุก ููุท.
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you are just paying for the cost of lunch.
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ุฅููู
ุชููู
ูู ู
ุง ุฃุนููู ูุฐูู ูุญู ูุง ูุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ุนุงุฆู ุฑุฆูุณู.
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you see what I mean so we are not talking about a major barrier.
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ููู
ุง ุฃููู 40ูช ู
ู ุฃุทูุงููุง ูุฃุชูู ู
ู ุฎู
ุณ ุงูุซุฑูุฉ ุงูุณููู ุฌุฏูุง ูู ุฃูุบูุฏุง ุงูุฑูููุฉ.
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and as I say 40% of our kids come from the very bottom wealth quintile in rural Uganda.
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ูุฐูู ูุฅู ุงูุฑุณูู
ุฃูุฏ ุฎูุถูุง ุฅูู ุงูุตูุฑ ูุทู
ูุญูุง ุจุงูุชุฃููุฏ ูู.
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so the fees I would like to lower them to zero and our ambition certainly is.
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ุฅููุง ููุณุช ุนุงุฆููุง ู
ุณุชุญููุงู ุจุงููุณุจุฉ ููุบุงูุจูุฉ ุงูุนุธู
ู ู
ู ุงููุงุณ.
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they are not an impossible barrier for the vast majority of people.
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ูู ูุฐู ุงูุขููุฉุ ููุงู ุญูุงูู 10 ุฃู 11ูช ู
ู ู
ุชูุณุท ุฏุฎู ุงูุฃุณุฑุฉ.
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at the moment, there are about 10 or 11% of the average family income.
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ูู
ุฏุฉ ุณูุฉ ุงูุฑุณูู
ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณูุฉ ุงูููู
ูุงูุชู ู
ู ุงููุงุถุญ ุฃููุง ุชุญุฏู ูููู ููุณ ู
ุณุชุญููุงู.
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for a year day school fees which is clearly a challenge but not impossible.
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ุฃุณุฆูุฉ ุฃุฎูุฑุฉ.
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last questions.
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ุขุณู ูู ุงูุฎูู ุขุณู.
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sorry at the back sorry.
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ุขุณู.
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sorry.
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ูู ูู
ููู ุฅุนุทุงุก ู
ุซุงู ุนูู ุฃุญุฏ ุงูุฃุนู
ุงู ุงูุฒุฑุงุนูุฉ ุงูุชู ูุชู
ุชุดุบูููุง ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉุ
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could you give an example of one of the agribusinesses that are run at the school?
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