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2015-11-15-#ubuntustudio
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[21:10] <rouge_> but I need to start ffado-dbus-server AND restart alsa in order to get some sound
[21:10] <rouge_> can you explain this weird behavior ?
[21:36] <OvenWerks> rouge_: I am not sure I can help... but it looks like the first line of what you said is missing.
[21:38] <OvenWerks> rouge_: I don't have any experience with firewire stuff at all. I do know that it has changed and that FW drivers have been introduced into ALSA.
[21:39] <OvenWerks> rouge_: I do know that only one or the other can be used. The general idea is to try ALSA with no ffado drivers and use it like any ALSA audio interface.
[21:41] <OvenWerks> rouge_: However, If your particular FW audio interface will not work with the ALSA drivers, then ALSA has to blacklist it's FW drivers so that the FFADO drivers can be loaded instead.
[21:41] <OvenWerks> rouge_: That is the extent of my FW knowledge :)
[22:06] <rouge_> OvenWerks, thanks
[22:06] <rouge_> it works with both actually
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.459979
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-gr
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[14:56] <pc_magas> Καλισπερεσ
[14:56] <pc_magas> Καλισπέρες
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.460914
| 2015-11-15T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-dk
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[13:40] <AJenbo> Hey nicky
[13:40] <nicky> Jamen 'dag 'dag
[13:41] <nicky> Og tak for også at fikse "Til toppen" fra et indlæg. Nu går den faktisk helt til toppen :-)
[13:45] <AJenbo> Fedt du lage mærke til det :D
[13:45] <AJenbo> Jeg gå igang med at overføre nu
[13:47] <nicky> Ser næsten alt, undtagen det jeg misser ;-)
[13:48] <nicky> Tænkte at lukke Apache på den gamle server, nedgradere mængden af ram og så kun slukke den. Hvis den nye så stadig kører fint tirsdag-onsdag, så nedlægger jeg den helt og frigiver dens Ip-adresser
[13:54] <nicky> Domænet er opdateret
[13:58] <nicky> Og testet imod DNS. Nu kan jeg jo genstarte min DNS server, så resten af nettet oplever nok nogle timers forsinkelse
[14:11] <AJenbo> Ok, den er stadig igang med at overføre filer. Jeg har lige skyndt mig at låse forummet
[14:11] <AJenbo> på den nye server :)
[14:15] <AJenbo> +1 til gradvis nedlukning af serveren
[14:40] <AJenbo> 10% database overført
[14:41] <nicky> Yes
[14:46] <AJenbo> Så skulle vi være kørrende.
[14:49] <nicky> Rigtig fedt :-)
[14:51] <AJenbo> Du kan også godt slukke for mysql på den gamle server
[14:52] <nicky> God idé. Jo mere ram vi kan undvære på den, jo billigere er den at obevare
[14:52] <nicky> opbevare
[14:52] <nicky> eller noget :-)
[14:53] <nicky> Umiddelbart kører det jo fint
[14:55] <AJenbo> Har gjort det og den får brug for 24MB :P
[14:56] <AJenbo> Stoppede også php-fpm
[14:56] <nicky> Heh
[14:56] <AJenbo> Den nye server er sat til selv at installere opdateringer
[14:57] <nicky> Modigt ;-)
[14:57] <AJenbo> :)
[14:58] <nicky> Jeg tror også at jeg frigiver IP-adresserne med det samme. Der kan altid blive koblet nogle nye på hvis det er. Er du færdig med den?
[14:58] <AJenbo> Den næste store opdatering af nginx kommer til at skifte fra spdy til http2, det betyder at vi lige skal ind og justere sites-enabled/* med https i den.
[14:58] <nicky> ok
[14:59] <AJenbo> Det ser ud til at den starter nogle af de fultne services når den bliver genstartet så det kan være du lige skal kigge på det inden.
[14:59] <nicky> Topmenuen i forummet er blevet væk
[15:00] <AJenbo> Damn, det sker når den ikke kan få forbindelse til http://localhost/
[15:00] <AJenbo> Er det på et bestemt URL?
[15:03] <nicky> Pris reduceret til 65.-/md for den gamle server
[15:05] <AJenbo> Har løst problemet med menuen ved at sætte 127.0.0.1 > ubuntudanmark.dk i hosts filen.
[15:05] <nicky> Menuen er tilbage igen
[15:05] <nicky> Smart
[15:06] <AJenbo> Det er pga. den lidt tricky måde jeg har intergeret phpBB og WP, det kræver et kald til en ekstern fil som udelukkende tegner menuen. Fordelen er at det fuldstendigt afskære de 2 systemer fra hin anden.
[15:06] <nicky> Det kan faktisk godt være jeg havde gjort noget tilsvarende på den gamle server, jeg kan ikke helt huske det
[15:07] <AJenbo> Problemet med løsningen er at det laver nogle antagelser om serveren (at sitet er det primære) og kræver et http+https kald for at tegne menuen.
[15:08] <nicky> Det er rigtigt, men så længe vi kører udk fra en vps eller hardware, så burde det ikke give problemer
[15:12] <nicky> I forhold til hvor meget længere tid vi brugte ved det sidste skift, så kører det da ret godt i dag
[15:14] <AJenbo> +1
[15:14] <nicky> Ser ud til at 1/4 af ram bliver brugt og at Ubuntu godt kan finde ud af at bruge resten til cache. Det er en klar forbedring over Debian / OpenVZ
[15:14] <nicky> Har Nginx et maks den må bruge?
[15:14] <AJenbo> Vi skal lige have fikset vores ssl:
[15:14] <AJenbo> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=ubuntudanmark.dk&s=46.21.102.92
[15:17] <AJenbo> Hmm det virker for mig som om vi olever det samme problem med at php-fpm nogle gange dør :()
[15:18] <AJenbo> Men når den køre er det med fuldt fart :)
[15:27] <AJenbo> Jeg kigger lige på det med DHFM ssl keys
[15:27] <nicky> Gerne. Jeg har startet en søgning på php-fpm, men der er ikke meget at gå efter desværre
[15:37] <AJenbo> https://weakdh.org/sysadmin.html#postfix
[15:38] <AJenbo> Jeg har nogle ider
[15:38] <AJenbo> Ved ikke om du får brug for at ændre opsætningen i postfix m.m. mht til tls kryptering.
[15:39] <AJenbo> Det ser ud til at vi måske ikke har SSL på ipv6 men jeg har lidt svært ved at teste
[15:39] <AJenbo> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=ubuntudanmark.dk&s=46.21.102.92
[15:39] <AJenbo> Så er vi i A+ med https :D
[15:40] <nicky> Næhh, for det er lidt anderledes med SMTP i forhold til HTTPS. Ifølge den gældende RFC skal man stadig kunne sende i plain-text, så det giver ikke rigtig mening at justerer ved TLS så længe man tilbyder gode ciphers
[15:41] <nicky> Rigtig gedt :-)
[15:44] <nicky> Risikoen bliver, at emails ikke kommer frem fordi modtageren ikke lever op til krypteringskravene. Så man bruger normalt opportunistic encryption
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.474216
| 2015-11-15T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-hr
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[00:31] <Mmike> vileni, ne, moras mi dat key/kljuc/sifru za to odkriptirat (tj, ja tebi)
[08:19] <Vlado9A3CY> dobro jutro
[08:47] <SilverSpace> dan
[08:47] <SilverSpace> sto problema
[09:07] <nicols> jutro!
[09:17] <Vlado9A3CY> jutro nicols ... SilverSpace ... i svi ostali
[10:23] <dodobas> jutro
[10:24] <dodobas> Mmike: punk
[10:54] <Mmike> dodobas, pon-h-ga
[10:55] <Mmike> dodobas, ic cu u sesvete vjerojatno popodne pa mozemo se nac nekud?
[10:56] <Mmike> BotaniCar, ?
[10:59] <dodobas> ja sam na faksu, s autom ...
[11:10] <vileni> ja isto idem popodne u sesvete :)
[11:17] <Mmike> vileni, kajsh tma? :)
[11:21] <dodobas> Mmike: opet sprovod ? :)
[11:22] <Mmike> dodobas, ne :)
[11:23] <Mmike> ovaj mjesec sam bio na 3 sprovoda :(
[11:27] <Vlado9A3CY> a kaj moreš
[11:34] <vileni> Mmike: brat zivi tamo, ima rodjendan pa idemo na rucak
[11:45] <SilverSpace> rucak
[13:27] <Mmike> vileni, de ti je onaj virt-install oneliner koji si jednom imao?
[13:29] <Mmike> jebogaopenvdaga jebo!
[13:45] <dodobas> openv ?
[13:53] <Mmike> openvswitch
[13:55] <dodobas> ne ide coursera, bas a ?
[13:57] <nicols> zijev!
[14:05] <Mmike> krzra!
[14:05] <Mmike> dodobas, si vidio da ce pg dobit parallel seq scan?
[14:11] <dodobas> odavna... :)
[16:29] <vileni> Mmike: ovo? http://jebo.me/pas/1
[16:44] <SilverSpace> jebo f1
[17:40] <SilverSpace> dosadna utrka
[18:11] <jelly> hm, stigla je i meni opomena od cistoce, i gle stvarno nisam platio 2015-01, al zasto su poslali samo cistocu a ne i sve ostalo sa zajednicke uplatnice?
[18:12] <jelly> nagradno pitanje je di je nestala ta uplatnica
[18:25] <SilverSpace> jelly: to ti je uplatnica dok je jos sve bilo odvojeno
[18:25] <SilverSpace> i poslje nisu htjeli primiti tu uplatnicu
[18:26] <jelly> SilverSpace: jok, imam zajednicke uplatnice od prije 2013
[18:26] <SilverSpace> hm
[18:27] <SilverSpace> mi znamo tocno gdje je taj dug i zasto
[18:27] <jelly> tko su to "mi" :-D
[18:28] <jelly> placam uvijek preko netbankinga i mogu pretraziti po opisu koji sam upisem, tako da znam da nisam platio taj mjesec (well, sad kad sam pogledao znam ;-)
[18:37] <SilverSpace> jelly: mi doma :)
[18:39] <SilverSpace> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/nuc-kit-nuc6i5syh.html
[18:39] <SilverSpace> novi nuc
[18:40] <SilverSpace> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/products-overview.html
[18:40] <SilverSpace> lijepo ali skupo
[18:42] <jelly> nego, jesi kad otvorio kutiju od NUC-a
[18:42] <vileni> ja jesam
[18:43] <jelly> ti suti :-)
[18:43] <vileni> :)
[18:43] <vileni> na bivsem poslu je jedna cijela ucionica puna nuceva
[18:43] <vileni> neznam jesu li uzeli i neki kensington lock
[18:43] <jelly> citam neki dan onaj blog, informaticara starog kova (netko ga je linkao tu djava ga odnio)
[18:44] <jelly> i istu foru s kutijom koja je tamo prodana, je meni lik kod kojeg sam kupovao laptop prodao
[18:44] <jelly> necu sad spoilat ;-)
[18:47] <SilverSpace> jelly: nisam ??
[18:49] <jelly> SilverSpace: ako hoces biti spoilan, http://informaticar.eu/231-informaticka-majica/ skrolaj dole do slika
[18:50] <jelly> upozoren si :-)
[18:51] <SilverSpace> jelly: :) to sam vec citao
[18:51] <jelly> onda si vec spojlan
[18:57] <SilverSpace> idem spatž
[18:57] <SilverSpace> zijevam od jutra
[18:57] <SilverSpace> LN
[18:57] <jelly> noć!
[19:16] <Mmike> ,ater
[19:16] <Mmike> SilverSpace, kaj, dosada bila?
[19:16] <Mmike> nisam gledo
[19:16] <Mmike> prva utrka ove sezone
[19:16] <Mmike> totalno sam izgubio volju
[19:16] <Mmike> kak' sam krenuo jos ce mi slijedeci auto biti Ford :)
[19:16] <vileni> don't do it
[19:16] <vileni> there's still hope
[19:23] <Mmike> natocio sam jucer na croduxu kad sam isao doma onaj njihov extra-super-duper 100 oktanski bemzin
[19:23] <Mmike> i cini mi se da mi auto sad trosi vise :) bar po kompjuktoru u autu
[19:23] <Mmike> jel' ima to smisla? :)
[19:23] <Mmike> vileni, kak' bilo na rostacu?
[19:23] <Mmike> dodobas, ja sutra nosim fruteke sa sobom pa se vidmio na nekim burgatorima?
[19:23] <vileni> Mmike: a onako, srneci gulas, cheesecake, madjarica i to :)
[19:23] <vileni> lezerno
[19:25] <vileni> ja sam si natocio 95 najjeftiniji, auto ide, all is good
[19:41] <Mmike> nije bilo drugog, a putnokompjuter je vec 40km govorio da imam benzina za jos 0km
[19:52] <dodobas> Mmike: izvedivo, bit cu s autom ... ili moramo negdje gdje mogu stici pjesice
[19:52] <Mmike> sutra ce bit lijep dan pa mozemo i u tkalcu van sjest, recimo
[21:16] <vileni> http://www.njuskalo.hr/pc-racunala/profesionalni-laptop-lenovo-thinkpad-x201-docking-oglas-14068368
[21:21] <Mmike> ja bi ovo: http://www.njuskalo.hr/lenovo-prijenosnici/lenovo-thinkpad-w520-oglas-5353279
[21:21] <Mmike> al' lik ne zeli spustiti cijenu nit malo
[21:21] <Mmike> pa brijem da cu u amerk'i kupit
[21:22] <Mmike> za 2 mjeseca
[21:22] <jelly> eh, zadar
[21:22] <jelly> to mi je isto ko i pula, da nisam slucajno vec bio tamo ne bi kupio
[21:30] <vileni> ovaj a onu "podnu" bateriju
[21:30] <vileni> kaze 24h ali mislim da je 12-16 bilo deklarirano
[21:31] <jelly> sa windowsima mozda i je 24h, al za linuxe manje
[21:32] <vileni> ja bi uzeo taj, ali sad 6 mjeseci ne smijem nista kupovati :)
[21:32] <jelly> hehe
[21:33] <jelly> Mmike: to je grozno preskupo
[21:34] <Mmike> jelly, yup
[21:35] <Mmike> jelly, velim liku, 3k kuna, aaaaaaaajde 3500 ako je bas jako ocuvan, aaaaaaaaaaaaaajde i 4k ak neznam kaj
[21:35] <Mmike> veli meni lik 'lol'
[21:35] <Mmike> reko, ok, tvoja roba, tvoja cijena :)
[21:35] <Mmike> ja moram kupit batreriju jos jednu za X220
[21:36] <Mmike> onaj moj lik od kojeg sam kupio bateriju za T520 veli da cu ovu cekat 4 mjeseca
[21:36] <Mmike> valjda dok ju napravi doma, kajjaznam
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.501385
| 2015-11-15T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-my
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[03:40] <jipangmenjerit> ping!
[05:57] <excalibr> pong
[06:00] <excalibr> adlan, ejat, hotfloppy, hyperair, jipangmenjerit, kInOzAwA, meetingology, mypapit, najmi, papitfx, repeater_my, shah, udienz: Wake up and smell the coffee
[06:00] <excalibr> !
[06:15] <jipangmenjerit> aik, baru dapat reply
[06:15] <jipangmenjerit> haha
[06:21] <excalibr> jipang sampai menjerit sebab gembira dapat reply
[06:21] <excalibr> :P
[06:29] <jipang_menjerit> choi
[06:29] <jipang_menjerit> where were you, excalibr?
[06:30] <jipang_menjerit> I mean, where are you
[06:32] <excalibr> Im here in front of pc, bracing for potential massive flood in monsoon season
[06:32] <jipang_menjerit> buat rumah rakit
[06:33] <jipang_menjerit> jangan end up dekat laut cina selatan, sudah
[06:35] <excalibr> Haa..
[06:37] <excalibr> teringat nak set up alert ke mobile bila aras sungai sampai paras bahaya
[06:38] <excalibr> Tak leh jadi kalau kena lagi tahun ni. Tahun lepas moto kereta semua jadi kapal selam
[15:46] <ejat> ade plak jipang bersuara
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.504121
| 2015-11-15T00:00:00 |
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"ejat",
"excalibr",
"jipang_menjerit",
"jipangmenjerit"
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"channel": "#ubuntu-my"
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-discuss
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[01:42] <lotuspsychje> good (early) morning to all
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> interesting: http://news.softpedia.com/news/debian-based-robolinux-8-2-lxde-linux-os-lets-you-run-windows-10-virus-free-496171.shtml
[02:32] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: good morning mate
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> support is pretty active cfhowlett but we have a volunteer est31 that i find a bit misinformed
[02:34] <lotuspsychje> you see that guy before?
[02:45] <OerHeks> he is on my ignore, a troll.
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx OerHeks but he's been 'helping' false info all night
[02:47] <cfhowlett> I just entered, but I did get that vibe off him pretty quickly.
[02:47] <cfhowlett> will continue to observe
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> ok
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> i saw wileee arguing with him too earlier
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> si lets be warned
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> so
[02:48] <OerHeks> it is not a community minded person, i in team.
[02:49] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: such fellas should not support then
[02:57] <Bashing-om> Well ! I am surprised est31 / sruli .
[02:59] * cfhowlett wonders why anyone would seek medical health, especially pregnancy, in an irc channel ...
[03:00] <OerHeks> not the #c++ channel i guess
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: howso?
[03:01] <OerHeks> wait .. dr. phil !
[03:06] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Honestly , I was of the opinion that est31 had his head in a dark place .
[03:06] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: indeed
[03:44] <cfhowlett> !ops ??
[03:44] <daftykins> indeed :/
[04:14] <cfhowlett> ok, we bein' trolled here or what???
[04:16] <cfhowlett> yeah, I think troll mentality confirmed. /ignore applied
[04:17] <daftykins> wow.
[04:17] <daftykins> just... wow.
[04:17] <cfhowlett> I must have missed the ending. "Screw this, I'm going back to windows!"???
[04:19] <daftykins> apparently i'm a fed because i asked what he used a VPN for.
[04:19] * daftykins shakes his head
[04:19] <daftykins> "this is officer kins, i need your IP right now"
[04:20] <cfhowlett> so I take it he exited in a huff?
[04:22] <daftykins> yeah :S proper rage quit
[04:22] <daftykins> that one was DEFINITELY a teen
[04:23] <cfhowlett> I always think of South Park when Cartman says "Screw you guys, I'm going home!"
[04:23] <cfhowlett> and it takes everything in me to resist the urge to type that message in channel ...
[04:23] <Bashing-om> Sad state of afffairs .. No fun .. I going to sleep it off . Gnight guys .
[04:26] <daftykins> cfhowlett: :D
[04:44] <TJ-> g'morning
[04:46] <daftykins> heya
[04:46] <daftykins> you just missed a doozy ;)
[04:47] <daftykins> ok if i PM a text file link?
[04:47] <TJ-> I'm so glad I was asleep! I've actually got my hours front-to-back at last :)
[04:48] <TJ-> I'll have to start it; I have +g set
[04:48] <daftykins> ah ok
[04:55] <TJ-> Wow! Just did my first test of this InstallShield Z archive extractor I've written on some other archive files I've found listed on a file formats wiki and it extracts them flawlessly
[04:55] <daftykins> excellent :D
[04:56] <daftykins> now if that functionality could be folded into an archive manager that'd be amazing
[04:56] <TJ-> Always good when the code works on something other than the test file
[04:56] <TJ-> That's my aim; I'm turning this into a library + standalone front-end, so it can be called from an archiver
[04:57] <daftykins> ah magic!
[04:57] <TJ-> Which means I have to figure out the best API to enable support of the most popular archiving tools, and find out how they auto-discover libraries
[04:58] <TJ-> It got me what I was after though - this 1990s MCU emulator's data file for the ancient MC34510E8SP I'm hacking :)
[05:54] <daftykins> but only if you can escape volunteering for long enough! :D
[05:54] <daftykins> i'm gonna head off to sleep, your shift :)
[05:54] <daftykins> \o
[05:55] <TJ-> g'night
[10:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> good noon to all
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/debian-based-robolinux-8-2-lxde-linux-os-lets-you-run-windows-10-virus-free-496171.shtml
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> that project looking pretty nice
[11:42] <lotuspsychje> nice ideas integrated
[11:44] <cfhowlett> trying to see the value added ...
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> yeah i know we can run w10 on virtualbox too :p
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> and tor browser
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> but i like the default package allright
[11:47] <TJ-> I'm not sure how they get the 'virus free' bit
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:48] <cfhowlett> yeah, that does seem to be a bit of a reach.
[11:48] <TJ-> unless the windows installs are snapshots and always start from the installed image
[11:48] <TJ-> in which case, good luck to all those Windows users wondering where their installed software disappeared to, after they shutdown the VM
[11:49] <cfhowlett> though I admit I've never experienced a breach on my virtualbox windows. Of course, I DO only turn it on what? 10 days each year?
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> http://www.robolinux.org/
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> website surely looks bit playmobile lol
[11:52] <TJ-> "because Robolinux invented Stealth VM Software that runs on over 500 Linux Operating Systems, which keeps a protected clone of Windows and mirrors your data in a secure Linux partition you can restore within a few minutes in just two clicks!"
[11:52] <TJ-> "invented" ... yeah right
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:52] <TJ-> "snapshots"
[11:53] <cfhowlett> wait, they charge $$ for this?!!
[11:54] <TJ-> well you've got those invention patent license fees :)
[11:54] <cfhowlett> what a sweet, sweet racket.
[11:55] <TJ-> For end-users who just want to get on it makes sense; someone has done a lot of work to make it work together seamlessly. When it looks easy someone spent a lot of time and effort on it
[11:56] <cfhowlett> true.
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> too much banners and videos on that site my god
[11:56] <TJ-> Agreed; the web-site is very 1994
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> skype support robolinux :p
[12:03] <TJ-> anyone recommend a USB-based eprom programmer that supports 27C*
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: not me, maybe Ben64 knows or the ##hardware guys
[12:34] <TJ-> Looks like the TLC866A has a decent Linux 'minipro' tool: https://github.com/vdudouyt/minipro
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:02] <livingBEEF> Was packages.ubuntu.com always http only? For example startpage gives me links with https (which obviously doesn't work).
[13:25] <pauljw> mornin
[13:32] <BluesKaj> livingBEEF, which ubuntu?
[13:32] <BluesKaj> 'morning pauljw
[13:32] <pauljw> :)
[14:21] <livingBEEF> BluesKaj: not on ubuntu ATM, but that's not the point. The point is, that the web page "packages.ubuntu.com" can only do http and not https (unlike most other *.ubuntu.com webs). Firefox/wget/whatever just times out for me
[14:37] <BluesKaj> odd I didn't have that problem with FF
[16:30] <Bashing-om> Back on, much refreshed. Are we having fun now ?
[20:50] <Latrodectus> i found the info for that upgrade bug, what should i do with it?
[23:12] <OerHeks> BQ E5 #Ubuntu Phone in Russia, Will be launching on the 17th November!
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-java
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[18:44] <Cantthink> anyone here
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-quality
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[11:50] <dkessel> balloons, DanChapman: autopilot issue: i am having problems simulating "user types something on keyboard". it seems the simulated keypresses only work on a US keyboard layout. this is what i get: testtools.matchers._impl.MismatchError: 'test_typing_works' != 'test?tzping?works' when comparing a Gtk component's content after typing with self.keyboard.focused_type()
[11:51] <dkessel> of course, i could simulate text input for which the keypresses are identical, BUT.... ;)
[11:51] <dkessel> paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13279633/ , my branch is WIP and not yet in launchpad
[11:53] <dkessel> oh, and i tried both the X11 and UInput backend. no difference
[12:39] <flocculant> balloons: added that test now
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-cn
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[01:37] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 三国笑话（4） : 巨星殒落曹操:"鸡肋！鸡肋！ "杨修:"来喽！丞相,您慢用！ "曹操:"推,推出去,杀了！ "曹丕:"曹植！七步做不出诗来就杀了你！喂,听到了没有?站住！别走呀！！跟你说话呢,你回来！！ "--遇到被老爸惯坏了的弟弟,哥哥通常都是很没面子的。
[02:11] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • 关于apt-get update的问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473873 每次添加一个ppa，都要重新apt-get update,网络比较慢的时候都要5分钟以上，太浪费时间。 有没有一种方法只更新ppa？全部更新实在是太低效了吧！ zz: zhangzimou — 2015-11-15 10:11
[02:33] <xushuang> hi all
[02:33] <ubrl> xushuang:点点点. 10:36
[02:36] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • 如何将ubuntu里任何与网络有关的设置还原？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473874 之前使用ubunut用ap-hotspot开wifi好好的，可能前段时间设置了下网络，现在手机和平板就是无法连接上去，查了各种资料，没有解决。 所以我想干脆将所有设置还原得了。有没
[02:36] <^k^> ─> 有一种方法，可以使得所有的网络设置还原成刚装好系统时那样？ zz: zhangzimou — 2015-11- …
[02:50] <tjg> test
[02:50] <ubrl> tjg:点点点. 10:52
[03:09] <^k^> 新 网卡问题以及网络和拨号 • ubuntu15.04由于安装显卡驱动导致的有线网连接问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473875 我是ubuntu15.04系统，原来是无线有线都可以上网的，后来因为需要安装nvida的显卡驱动，于是按照 http://www.allaboutlinux.eu/remove-nouv ... ntu-15-04/ 卸载了原来的nouveau
[03:09] <^k^> ─> 驱动，重新安装了cuda7.5，于是问题就来了。 有线网刚开始是可以ping通局域网的，但是只 …
[03:45] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 14.04 LTS • 壓縮文件打不開了 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473877 之前因為亂碼的問題，看了些帖子，裝了7zip之後，異想天開如果用7zip解應該就可以了吧 可是不會設置，就把unzip 卸載掉了，結果壓縮文件直接打不開 再裝回unzip 還是沒反應 具體表現就是雙擊啥都沒有
[03:50] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 14.04 LTS • 請問14.04和14.04.1有什麼不同嗎 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473878 今天上官網看了一下提供下載的是14.04.1，另外還有02和03，看起來像升級版本，可是我的系統還是14.04。沒有收到更新 有什麼功能上的不同嗎？ 而且版本號那麼多，推薦下載的卻不是最新，是
[03:50] <^k^> ─> 不是說01是LTS，02和03就不屬於LTS了？ zz: 摩天轮 — 2015-11-15 11:49
[04:48] <^k^> 新 其它类软件 • cal 查看日期命令好像不对吧 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473879 在大约1900往前就不对了 如 cal 1 1600 出来 January 1600 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 而我算的：1600/1/1 是星期六 网上星期计算器也是星期六 用蔡勒
[04:48] <^k^> ─> 公式 算也是星期六 zz: TonBecx — 2015-11-15 11:57
[05:04] <^k^> 新 常用硬件支持 • 我的dvd光驱无法使用 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473880 dmseg | grep dvd dmseg | grep DVD 都没有输出，这个光驱可是在win7下面可以读取光盘的。 想在如何处理？ dmesg #全部输出，请下载附件 http://pan.baidu.com/s/1dDykyNf 这里列出部分信息。 [ 0.159445] PCI: Using ACPI for I
[05:04] <^k^> ─> RQ routing [ 0.160655] PCI: pci_cache_line_size set to 64 bytes [ 0.160687] e820: reserve RAM buffer [mem 0x0009d800- …
[05:15] <^k^> 新 软件/网站开发 • php表单提交后，如何跳转到页面某个锚点？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473881 php页面上有个表单，提交后执行自身（以GET模式执行，查询数据库），结果显示在表单下方。我想让提交后、查询完毕、显示结果时页面自动跳到结果处（有个锚点anchor）。默
[05:15] <^k^> ─> 认点击按钮提交的话，新页面总是显示最开头的。如果用URL访问（例如: http://xxx.xxx.com/in …
[05:44] <vickycq> ubuntu 软件源没有 httpredir 镜像选择器么
[05:45] <vickycq> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2015-September/000779.html
[05:45] <ubrl> ⇪ f: Ubuntu HTTP mirror redirector?
[06:21] <hacking> 大家号
[06:21] <hacking> 大家好
[06:21] <ubrl> hacking:点点点. 14:23
[06:37] <Hyuk> 0.0
[07:23] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: http://xiaohua.zol.com.cn/detail1/34487.html 拒不交代 : 在法庭上,法官在审问窃贼:你老实交代,你是怎么打开那个保险柜的? 这可不能告诉您,法官先生,窃贼说:因为本庭上在坐的说不定就有想吃我这碗饭的。
[07:42] <jin7boy> heihei
[07:50] <jin7boy> tex图片怎么设置为左对齐
[08:02] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • touch -t mtime/atime/ctime http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473882 lintao@lintao-ubuntu:~/Project$ ll testcopy;ll --time=atime testcopy;ll --time=ctime testcopy -rw-rw-r-- 1 lintao lintao 0 11月 13 15:39 testcopy -rw-rw-r-- 1 lintao lintao 0 11月 15 15:39 testcopy -rw-rw-r-- 1 lintao lintao 0 11月 15 15:39 testcopy lint
[08:02] <^k^> ─> ao@lintao-ubuntu:~/Project$ touch -t 9009070907 testcopy lintao@lintao-ubuntu:~/Project$ ll testcopy;ll --time=atime …
[08:04] <IsoaSFlus> 大家好久不见啊
[08:04] <IsoaSFlus> 话说有没有用过sdcc的？
[10:15] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 上厕所给客人倒茶 : 以前别人来我阿姨家作客,刚进门的。刚好我阿姨要去上厕所。 她连忙招呼客人说:"你们坐哈坐哈,我去厕所给你们倒点茶喝！ "
[11:31] <MangHuo> yunfan: 你有牛牛姐的联系方式么
[12:15] <yunfan> MangHuo: 没有 她藏得深
[13:06] <Freebuilder> 项目名称叫「fbdesktop」好还是叫「fbde」好？
[13:59] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • ssd安装ubuntu有什么好的教程和建议吗? http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473884 ssd安装ubuntu有什么好的教程和建议吗? 以前都是在hdd上安装的 现在要在ssd上安装 除了home分区 其他的根目录 swap分区都装在ssd上吗 还有ext4需要不需要关闭log功能呢? zz: wangshiyang —
[13:59] <^k^> ─> 2015-11-15 21:58
[14:30] <^k^> 新 启动和引导 • 分享：定制ubuntu live usb http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473886 几年前，用官方发布的live cd iso制作live usb，用于计算机维护，但这个live usb启动个别机器不能使用persistent，而我维护的一些机器无法连接互联网，官方 live cd iso没有的软件就没法用。于是就有定制l
[23:58] <^k^> 新 常用硬件支持 • 虽然概率很低,如何避免买到不支持Linux的鼠标? http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473887 虽然概率很低,如何避免买到不支持Linux的鼠标? 换句话说,那些不支持Linux的鼠标有什么特征? "支持"的意思是值在主流发行版的主流版本上可以"即插即用" 对鼠标的要求,就是
[23:58] <^k^> ─> 学习使用,不玩游戏 经常翻阅资料,滚轮会经常用, zz: 科学之子 — 2015-11-16 4:29
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-app-devel
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[19:18] <hasselmm> zbenjamin: hi, is there a branch of lp:qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu that compiles with qtc master?
[19:19] <hasselmm> even more: what speaks against moving the plugin to the qtc repo and then let tobias and his gang deal with their permanent api breaking? ;-)
[19:20] <hasselmm> ...but situation right now is, that I'd have to setup a virtual machine or something for using the ubuntu sdk, as the qtc from ubuntu sdk kills my kits from qtc 3.6
[19:38] <hasselmm> hmm... found https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/04/13/inner-workings-sdk/, and this gives me a click package
[19:39] <hasselmm> question now is how to manually upload it to the phone
[19:44] <hasselmm> hmm... let's see what the plugin does for deploying packages...
[19:49] <jaywink> appdevs: tried to hack on an app today, first time with SDK. Was following some API docs and came upon the need for Ubuntu.Content QML lib. Now, I'm on 14.04 but the target is set to 15.04 sdk. Thus I was surprised that this library was not imporable in my SDK. Does one really need 15.04 to develop apps with this library, or is there something wrong in my SDK install?
[19:51] <ahayzen> hasselmm, if you use adb push /path/on/pc.click /path/on/device.click ... then you can run ... adb shell pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted /path/on/device.click .. to install the click on the device
[19:52] <ahayzen> jaywink, how are you running the app in the emulator or on a device or on the desktop directly ?
[19:52] <hasselmm> ahayzen: cool, let's try!
[19:53] <jaywink> ahayzen, the problem is qtcreator says "cannot import" to the QML import .. ie "import Ubuntu.Content 1.1" as per 15.04 API docs example
[19:54] <jaywink> so I'm assuming the library is just missing. I just added the PPA and installed the ubuntu-sdk
[19:54] <ahayzen> yeah i get that as well, but it runs fine on device
[19:54] <jaywink> aha :P
[19:55] <jaywink> so the lib is just missing locally for some reason. A friend of mine said for him it imports in the editor too, but he is running 15.04
[19:56] <ahayzen> idk, i've always had that problem with QtC seems to get confused with the chroot's or something. Probably best to ask in EU working hours in the week when some sdk guys are about if you want further help/guidance
[19:57] <ahayzen> jaywink, have you got a device or setup the emulator to try it on ?
[19:59] <hasselmm> ahayzen: hey, this works! cool!
[19:59] <ahayzen> hasselmm, yey \o/
[19:59] <jaywink> ahayzen, yes I have an Aquaris 4.5. I'll ignore the import errors then and actually try running it. I didn't even try running or working on the app due to the missing parts of the SDK I need. thanks!
[20:00] <hasselmm> so much more enjoyable to get live help via irc, than visiting endless stackoverflow pages.
[20:00] <hasselmm> feels so much more real, it so more enjoyable :D
[20:00] <ahayzen> :-)
[20:02] <hasselmm> but hey, cool. seems for a start i can deal with customizing qtc project settings... long term solution (ubuntu plugin in qtc master :D) will take longer :D
[20:04] <ahayzen> hasselmm, this script may be of interest to you, i use it for deploying bzr branches to my device http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13289724/
[20:05] <hasselmm> guess i'll have to abuse that i can visit the qtc creator developers via public transportation, and donate some a few beers... :D
[20:05] <hasselmm> ahayzen: thank you!
[20:05] <ahayzen> hah :-) no problem
[20:06] <hasselmm> and my spelling is horrible this evening... sorry for that.
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-devel
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[02:22] <tsimonq2> just curious, I have seen build servers for Ubuntu that build packages for the repos. Are those only Ubuntu servers that can do that, or can I contribute my free resources to do this on my server?
[05:43] <slangasek> pitti: latest kernel autopkgtests show a failure because the testbed is being upgraded to -proposed before the pin preferences are set, pulling in a new libuuid1 from xenial-proposed; so when the package tests later try to install uuid-dev (transitive build-dep of apparmor), this fails
[05:45] <jjohansen> hallyn: yes, because they are. nsfs use proc magic to have the symlink jump to the nsfs dentry/inode
[05:47] <jjohansen> stgraber: the systemd thing is that systemd doesn't have a restart/reload. They do a stop and then start for it. But for apparmor stop tears down the loaded policy, and your attachments/mappings to tasks are lost
[05:48] <jjohansen> we are going to have to do something different so that policy doesn't get removed like that
[05:49] <jjohansen> back to nsfs, I have some ideas on how to deal with it, but haven't gotten to implementing them yet
[05:57] <infinity> slangasek: Yeah, that's a known bug/misfeature that pitti's left in place to make sure the base system gets testing. I think we should just introduce some autopkgtests for util-linux, etc, and fix the bug.
[06:03] <slangasek> ah? yes, I agree
[06:10] <slangasek> it would be less of a problem in this case of util-linux wasn't hanging the ppc64el buildds
[06:10] <slangasek> (because then util-linux would be migrate and linux tests would be fine)
[10:50] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Thanks for the offer, but to ensure proper security we only build packages on systems we run ourselves.
[10:51] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: (We're also not particularly short of x86 builder capacity nowadays.)
[15:15] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Ok, I was just wondering as Debian has their buildd setuo
[15:15] <tsimonq2> s/setuo/setup/
[16:45] <hallyn> jjohansen: ok, thx.
[17:52] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Debian doesn't take buildd contributions from just anyone, either :)
[17:52] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: Most Debian buildds these days are DSA-operated
[17:52] <cjwatson> But they do have somewhat different constraints.
[18:15] <hjd> Hi all. :) Someone who around who can rebuild packages which failed to build on Xenial? Looks like both s3fs-fuse and node-string-decoder failed due to random errors when attempting to download packages. (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/225417305/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.s3fs-fuse_1.79%2Bgit90-g8f11507-1_BUILDING.txt.gz and
[18:15] <hjd> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/225417304/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.node-string-decoder_0.10.25-1_BUILDING.txt.gz)
[18:16] <hjd> And it looks like libmath-bigint-gmp-perl and turbogears2-doc both attempted to build before all dependencies had been synced/built, so they might work better now as well. Thanks in advance :)
[18:44] <ginggs_> hjd: i'll do it
[18:51] <ginggs_> hjd: node-string-decoder failed again for a different reason
[18:53] <ginggs_> hjd: s3fs-fuse, libmath-bigint-gmp-perl and turbogears2-doc built ok
[18:57] <hjd> ginggs_: Yes, looks like node-string-decoder has a real bug. Thanks again :)
[19:01] <Unit193> barry: I don't suppose that bzr-fastimport thing is on your agenda anymore then?
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-ops
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[07:23] <TJ-> can we have attention in #ubuntu please!
[07:24] <TJ-> !ops #ubuntu major spam dooriit
[07:27] * Ben64 puts on his poking gloves and pokes bazhang chu DalekSec DJones hggdh IdleOne- ikonia jrib Mamarok mneptok phunyguy popey sekrit tomaw and yofel
[07:28] <TJ-> I tried that, they're comotose!
[07:28] <Ben64> :(
[08:27] <phunyguy> hi
[08:30] <phunyguy> bazhang chu DalekSec DJones hggdh IdleOne- ikonia jrib Mamarok mneptok phunyguy popey sekrit tomaw and yofel, your paychecks will all be docked for sleeping on the job.
[08:43] <IdleOne-> phunyguy: You still owe me back pay for the past 4 years
[08:45] <chu> lol
[08:47] <phunyguy> omg he speaks!
[08:47] <IdleOne-> I does
[08:47] <IdleOne-> But we should go play in -offtopic
[08:48] <IdleOne-> wouldn't want to disturb the sleeping ops
[10:50] * Mamarok is not comatose, just not up that early on a Sunday
is there a way to see live what's going on on a space ship?
[12:35] <bazhang> looks similar to pukaaa
[12:41] <TJ-> bazhang: same ISP; same /16
[12:41] <bazhang> cheers TJ-
[12:43] <TJ-> sorry, /20 (same allocation range)
[13:16] <bazhang> blessed is gatis
[13:57] <DalekSec> phunyguy: But I don't have the access!
[16:36] <hggdh> phunyguy: docked? So I do have a paycheck?
you havent rebooted?
[21:48] <bazhang> I wonder if that level of 'support' is intentional or not
[22:12] <bazhang> boofsterb-cycling
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"TJ-",
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-arm
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[10:31] <odroid> what i should to install for armv7l to change the kernell?
[10:32] <odroid> am trying to install usb-TV stick, but there are no linux-headers for kernell that am using now
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.546964
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"odroid"
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"channel": "#ubuntu-arm"
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-mythtv
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[22:25] <boofsterb> does anyone know where i can find fiire chief mce
[22:25] <boofsterb> does it still exist?
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.548792
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-no
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[14:47] <heinkel_111> hvordan får jeg åpnet en fil med vesteuropeisk 'encoding' i kate, systemet her ser ut til ä lese den som UTF-8 ?
[17:09] <RoyK> heinkel_111: aner ikke, men det er kanskje noen valg der for å endre koding?
[17:09] * RoyK bruker stort sett vim
[17:10] <RoyK> "vesteuropeisk" er kanskje iso8859-1 eller iso8859-15?
[20:20] <geirha> ja, eller cp1252
[20:21] <geirha> du kan prøve fra kommandolinja: iconv -f cp1252 < fil.txt > fil.utf8.txt
[20:21] <geirha> for å lage en utf8-kopi av fila
[20:22] <geirha> eller, Kate kan vel helt sikkert gjøre det samme, så glem det
[21:42] <heinkel_111> AARGHH, what do I do to make Kate notice there is a new syntax file in /usr/share/katepart5/syntax ?
[21:42] <heinkel_111> roper i feil kanal tilogmed ::)
[22:40] <RoyK> heinkel_111: bruk vim ;)
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.552326
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"RoyK",
"geirha",
"heinkel_111"
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"channel": "#ubuntu-no"
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2015-11-15-#launchpad
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[03:53] <tsimonq2> I am kinda confused, where do the machines from https://launchpad.net/builders come from?
[03:54] <tsimonq2> and if I can add my own, how?
[03:54] <tsimonq2> because if I can help out I will
[04:33] <retrojeff> launchpad will switch from bzr to git soon?
[05:42] <wgrant> tsimonq2: Launchpad's security guarantees rely on the builders being under our control.
[05:43] <wgrant> Malicious admins could easily compromise any packages built on those machines.
[05:43] <wgrant> So they're all on hardware maintained by Canonical.
[05:43] <wgrant> retrojeff: Launchpad supports both Bazaar and Git repositories.
[06:25] <tsimonq2> wgrant: ok, thanks, just wondered
[06:25] <tsimonq2> wgrant: because Debian does buildd, I was wondering if Ubuntu had something similar
[07:23] <sergio-br2> hi
[07:24] <sergio-br2> are there any way to the lauchpad recipe run debuild on ./folderX/ instead on ./ ?
[07:25] <sergio-br2> upstream tarball has not the same structure of the git master branch...
[07:31] <sergio-br2> changing to dh $@ --sourcedirectory="yabause/" is the dummiest way i guess
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ubuntu-chat
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"retrojeff",
"sergio-br2",
"tsimonq2",
"wgrant"
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"channel": "#launchpad"
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2015-11-15-#kubuntu
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[00:00] <odie> I get a "No service configured" trying to run a shell script what does that mean
[01:13] <only1dcb> Hello, all. I am a linux n00b, & I am seeking help with the partitioning of my SSD for a dual boot between the existing Win10 install & Kubuntu. It appears that the wizard in the install image I downloaded only has a wizard for a full format and install of Kubuntu. And I am unsure of how to manually partition the drive to ensure that I keep Win10 installed as is. Is anyone up who would be willing to help?
[01:23] <only1dcb> ***2nd attempt *** Hello, all. I am a linux n00b, & I am seeking help with the partitioning of my SSD for a dual boot between the existing Win10 install & Kubuntu. It appears that the wizard in the install image I downloaded only has a wizard for a full format and install of Kubuntu. And I am unsure of how to manually partition the drive to ensure that I keep Win10 installed as is. Is anyone up who would be willing to help?
[01:29] <krytarik> !patience | only1dcb
[01:30] <only1dcb> I was just following the IRC FAQ (Wait 5-10 minutes before re-posting a question on the channel.)
[01:31] <krytarik> only1dcb: That depends on how busy the channel is really.
[01:31] <only1dcb> Fair enough.
[01:31] <krytarik> Could ask in #ubuntu for that too, btw.
[01:32] <only1dcb> True. I am assuming you don't have the knowledge I seek?
[01:34] <krytarik> Not regarding recent Windows versions and possibly UEFI anyway, yes.
[01:34] <krytarik> !uefi
[10:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:16] <heinkel_111> why is choqok not standard app in kubuntu?
[11:26] <linuxuserwannabe> heinkel_111: not standard?
[11:29] <heinkel_111> linuxuserwannabe: as in not one of the applications supplied in the install
[11:29] <heinkel_111> telepathy is, choqok is not
[11:31] <heinkel_111> telepathy connects to this and that (odd list of services) , but I want something to connect to twitter and maybe facebook messaging
[11:40] <Smurphy_> heinkel_111: I got one Heinkel He 111 as RC Model :)
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:11] <Smurphy_> Morning :)
[13:22] <BluesKaj> 'Morning Smurphy_
[13:24] <Smurphy_> Well, afternoon here ... Will start gaming with my wife :D Left4dead2 probably :)
[13:53] <excalibr> Smurphy_, you have steam?
[14:10] <mparillo> On 15.10 with backports, I used systems settings to create two new users, guest (with no password) and map (with a password). When I reboot, SDDM shows the two new users, but only map worked. Was it because guest is a reserved user name? Or because a password is really required?
[14:49] <heinkel_111> I am trying to open a file in Kate which is encoded ISO-8859-15, but Kate keeps opening it as UTF-8, then finds some problems and locks it for editing
[14:50] <heinkel_111> ie sets it to read only
[14:51] <heinkel_111> how to make it understand the righ encoding f
[14:52] <heinkel_111> aha
[14:52] <heinkel_111> got it
[14:53] <heinkel_111> needed to empty the session of open files, set tools > encoding > ISO-8859-15 and then load the files
[14:53] <heinkel_111> reload
[14:56] <Guest9778> hi friends
[14:59] <linuxuserwannabe> heinkel_111: it should if it has BOM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte_order_mark
[15:50] <Ilgaz> Heya people. A mysterious issue happening on HP Pavillion laptop w/ i5500 HD graphics with current kernel. Stops booting when updated to -18
[15:55] <Ilgaz> I suspect it has something to do with the logo being shown.
[16:03] <jorgito11> hello
[16:04] <jorgito11> anyone out there who knows how to move the mouse using the arrows keys?
[16:04] <jorgito11> I have kubuntu 15.10
[16:09] <Ilgaz> jorgito11: System / Preferences / Accessibility / Keyboard Accessibility / Mouse Keys
[16:19] <TheDiveO> dpkg --audit says that coreutils need to be configured, but dpkg --configure coreutils does nothing; any attempt to update other packaged makes dpkg segfault
[16:20] <TheDiveO> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault.
[16:20] <BluesKaj> jorgito11, system-settings>input devices>mouse>mouse navigation, check move pointer with keyboard
[16:21] <BluesKaj> Ilgaz, this is kubuntu , not ubuntu
[16:22] <Ilgaz> Oh sorry BluesKaj , site confused me.
[16:24] <Guest60636> stop
[16:26] <TheDiveO> can someone please help me dealing with a package not fully installed nor removed?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> TheDiveO, dependency problems ?
[16:31] <kubuntu_> 0
[16:37] <TheDiveO> BluesKaj, oo it doesn't seem like that (standard) situation
[16:37] <TheDiveO> I've managed to download the coreutils package, and install it (again). Now status is "install ok unpacked"
[16:39] <BluesKaj> TheDiveO, that package should be installed by default...which kubuntu?
[16:39] <TheDiveO> BluesKaj: 15.04
[16:40] <TheDiveO> BluesKaj: may have happened in consequence to dkpg --remove kdevelop
[16:40] <BluesKaj> is it stuck ?
[16:40] <TheDiveO> BluesKaj: what do you mean by "stuck"?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> is the progress not moving
[16:41] <BluesKaj> installation that is
[16:42] <TheDiveO> BluesKaj: there's no progress; apt-get upgrade results in "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault."
[16:42] <TheDiveO> BluesKaj: dpkg --audit says that coreutils needs configuration
[16:43] <TheDiveO> BluesKaj: dpkg --configure coreutils doesn't report anything (silent)
[16:43] <BluesKaj> TheDiveO, reinstall kdevelop just to see if that helps
[16:44] <TheDiveO> BluesKaj: breaks with the same error message; sub-process of dpkg sigseg's
[16:46] <BluesKaj> TheDiveO, assume you've updated and upgraded and commented out any ppas that are no longer useful
[16:47] <TheDiveO> BluesKaj: yes.
[16:48] <TheDiveO> BluesKaj: dpkg status file clearly states: install ok unpacked
[16:48] <BluesKaj> TheDiveO, what about dpkg --configure -a
[16:48] <TheDiveO> BluesKaj: how do I move it to configured? dpkg --configure coreutils does *nothing*
[17:56] <jorgito11> yes BluesKaj but you can only move the cursor with the numpad in that way.... I wonder if there is a way to move it with the arrows keys.
[17:57] <BluesKaj> no I have no idea
[17:59] <jorgito11> thank you BluesKaj
[18:05] <Smurphy_> excalibr: Yes - I have Steam, and I have my own Server here. But the Servers are crashing after the 2nd map ...
[18:05] <Smurphy_> All of them, at the moment.
[18:15] <gigi__> ciao
[18:17] <gigi__> “!list”
[18:18] <gigi__> list
[18:18] <gigi__> !list
[18:21] <randomGuy12> hi guys maby im just an idiot, but how do i send a file from my pc to my smartphone through kde connect
[18:23] <gigi__> list
[18:23] <gigi__> hello
[18:23] <gigi__> help
[18:24] <Dragonslicer> randomGuy12: in Dolphin, there should be an item under Devices if your phone is paired
[18:24] <Dragonslicer> You can also click the KDEConnect icon in the system tray, then click the folder icon
[18:25] <gigi__> ciao
[18:25] <gigi__> list
[18:26] <randomGuy12> i disablet the remote file system because it dosent work and there is no entery in dolphin
[18:30] <gigi70> list
[18:30] <gigi70> ciao
[18:31] <gigi70> non ci capisco un cazz..
[18:31] <BluesKaj> !it | gigi70
[18:32] <randomGuy12> sorry guys im really an idiot the service wasn't selected in dolphin
[18:32] <gigi70> grazie
[18:33] <gigi70> ciao
[18:35] <gigi70> liste film
[18:36] <gigi__> come funziona
[18:37] <gigi__> ciao
[18:42] <NoobRampage> test
[19:32] <just_installed_k> hello
[20:33] <Ilgaz> Hey people. Install kubuntu 15.10, it boots fine, connect to internet, kernel gets updated and it never boots again. Complete freeze situation right at `loading initial ramdisk`. intel graphics 5500. I tried nomodeset too.
[20:37] <Ilgaz> bbl let me remove quiet and splash params
[20:39] <denza242> Ilgaz: which kernel
[21:41] <hay207> hi guys, i want a link explaining package versions
[21:42] <hay207> i understand this in changelog http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/debian-dir-overview.html
[21:43] <hay207> but what's the number before package version?
[21:43] <heinkel_111> what do I do to make Kate notice there is a new syntax file in /usr/share/katepart5/syntax ?
[21:43] <hay207> for ex 1:0.6-3
[21:43] <hay207> i don't understand this
[21:43] <Unit193> Epoch.
[21:44] <Unit193> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man5/deb-version.5.html
[21:45] <hay207> thanks :)
[21:47] <Unit193> Hey you actually looked it up, that's all I need to get involved. Usually happens with upstream has versioning fun (goaccess), or when you need to "go back" a version (quassel, needed .10 for Debian's stable release and someone uploaded .11)
[21:51] <hay207> my problem is that i changed 0.7.2-0 to 0.7.2-0ubuntu1 ,but when i install it, i get newer version is available
[21:52] <hay207> i m packaging my first time :)
[21:53] * clivejo wishes hay207 good luck
[21:56] <hay207> so, how should i rename version, installed version's 1:0.6-3
[22:00] <clivejo> is it the next release or did you grab it from git?
[22:01] <hay207> it is the current release
[22:01] <hay207> kvkbd package
[22:02] <hay207> the latest is 0.7.2 while that's available in repos 's 0.6.3
[22:03] <hay207> it installed successfully
[22:04] <hay207> but this message appears : newer version available, although i m packaging the latest
[22:04] <clivejo> what displays that message?
[22:05] <hay207> dpkg
[22:05] <clivejo> when you install the .deb?
[22:05] <hay207> yes
[22:05] <clivejo> did you bump the changelog?
[22:06] <clivejo> is it packaged in kubuntu?
[22:06] <hay207> i changed it
[22:06] <hay207> yes
[22:06] <clivejo> whats it called?
[22:07] <hay207> kvkbd
[22:07] <hay207> it 's kde virtual keyboard
[22:07] <clivejo> its not in wily
[22:08] <clivejo> only trusty?
[22:09] <hay207> in trusty
[22:09] <hay207> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/kvkbd/+builds
[22:10] <clivejo> seems to be for arm64
[22:11] <hay207> check there https://launchpad.net/kvkbd/+packages
[22:12] <hay207> i can't remember if i installed it manually in trusty
[22:13] <clivejo> wonder why its not packaged recently
[22:13] <hay207> yes, me too
[22:14] <clivejo> gonna grab last version
[22:16] <clivejo> mostly debian people in the changelogs
[22:24] <hay207> ok
[22:26] <clivejo> hay207: does it work in Plasma 5?
[22:36] <hay207> clivejo: idk how to check my plasma version, i m using kubuntu 14.04
[22:37] <clivejo> oh
[22:37] <hay207> kde-libs 4.13.3
[22:37] <hay207> is this what you mean ?
[22:38] <clivejo> looks KDE4 only
[22:39] <clivejo> whats the code name for 14.04?
[22:40] <hay207> trusty
[22:41] <hay207> kvkbd required this package as dependency: kdelibs5-dev
[22:44] <clivejo> yeah, Im getting that, but Im on xenial
[22:44] <clivejo> Ive pushed it to LP to se if it builds :/
[22:46] <clivejo> holy moly
[22:48] <clivejo> it appears to have built :/
[22:49] <hay207> ok, isn't that good news ?
[22:49] <clivejo> well yes and no!
[22:49] <clivejo> I dont have trusty to test it
[22:49] <clivejo> what arch are you i386 or amd64?
[22:49] <hay207> amd64
[22:50] <clivejo> fancy being a guinea pig ?
[22:51] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/wily/+build/8302901
[22:52] <excalibr> Smurphy, are you able to right click in text input area in steam ui without any problem?
[22:52] <clivejo> wow, it works in Xenial!
[22:53] <clivejo> ttiny window
[22:55] <hay207> ok, you mean font is tiny?
[22:55] <clivejo> the keyboard on the screen
[22:56] <hay207> yes , thats acts as a floating icon
[22:56] <hay207> :)
[22:58] <clivejo> thats pretty cool
[22:58] <hay207> you select auto-resize font
[22:58] <hay207> for bigger font
[23:00] <hay207> ok, so i continue my work on packaging it?
[23:02] <clivejo> http://s2.postimg.org/rgfucflbb/kvkbd1.jpg
[23:04] <hay207> clivejo: that's not latest version
[23:05] <clivejo> no?
[23:05] <hay207> check latest here : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kvkbd?content=56019
[23:07] <hay207> latest 's 0.7.2
[23:07] <clivejo> hay207: http://s9.postimg.org/hq5j0byf2/kvkbd2.jpg
[23:09] <hay207> ok good then, check out the colour style
[23:09] <hay207> ok, g2g, see you later
[23:09] <clivejo> it probably not working properly on KF5/Plasma5
[23:11] <clivejo> gonna try package it for wily and xenial
[23:18] <Bundestrojaner1> good evening
[23:18] <Bundestrojaner1> where can i find xorg.1.log? it's not in /var/log
[23:29] <bprompt> Bundestrojaner1: hmm
[23:29] <bprompt> Bundestrojaner1: you could just do a find on it :)
[23:29] <Bundestrojaner1> bprompt: i just had a full system freeze - even ctrl+alt+f1 didn't work.
[23:29] <Bundestrojaner1> So i'm searching for a log of what happened
[23:30] <bprompt> Bundestrojaner1: I'm assuming you may be looking for Xorg.0.log though
[23:33] <bprompt> Bundestrojaner1: you could check the /var/log for the files with a recent timestamp with -> find /var/log -mmin -15 -name X\*log
[23:33] <bprompt> -15 that is, in the last 15 minutes
[23:35] <Bundestrojaner1> bprompt: it happened 40 min ago, only result for mmin -40 is xorg.0.log
[23:36] <Bundestrojaner1> but this file has no time stamps in it, so i have no idea what to search for?
[23:36] <Guest28562> Morning all. Is there some way to list the sheets in a vertical fashion on the right/left in LO/OO?
[23:38] <bprompt> LO/OO? what the?
[23:38] <jussi01> Libre office/ Open office. Sorryu
[23:39] <bprompt> Bundestrojaner1: no timestamp? it does for me
[23:39] <bprompt> jussi01: open office is a suite, not an app per se, are you referring to spreadsheets in Calc?
[23:40] <jussi01> bprompt: yes, my apologies for the lack of clarity, its still morning here and I am only half way through my coffee :)
[23:41] <bprompt> Bundestrojaner1: but I think Xorg.0.log is your man
[23:43] <gargoylesmiles> jussi01: just checking, is this feature currently available on MS Excel or other spreadsheet app?
[23:44] <Bundestrojaner1> bprompt: doesn't contain xorg.0.log the log since rebooting?
[23:44] <Bundestrojaner1> what about xorg.0.log.old?
[23:44] <bprompt> hmmm
[23:44] <jussi01> gargoylesmiles: not sure. It used to be available on apple, however they removed it. just the horizontal tabs are frustrating when you have about 50 odd sheets....
[23:45] <bprompt> jussi01: don't think so, nope
[23:46] <jussi01> bprompt: thanks anyway :)
[23:46] <bprompt> jussi01: hmmm it sorta wouldn't be that great of a design to begin with, btw, keeping in mind that it is a spreadsheet
[23:47] <jussi01> bprompt: It wouldnt be bad to have a list view of tabs/sheets for easire navigation
[23:51] <bprompt> gnnn
[23:51] <bprompt> hmmm rather =)
[23:53] <bprompt> jussi01: I gather now I know what you mean, you have over 50 or so, and you'd like to make big jumps over to another one
[23:53] <jussi01> bprompt: yep
[23:53] <bprompt> jussi01: in Calc go to View > Navigator, then click on Sheets [+] icon
[23:55] <jussi01> yeah, but that doesnt allow me to go to the sheet in question, just add a link into th sheet?
[23:56] <bprompt> jussi01: it doesn't? it jumps to a sheet for me :/
[23:56] <jussi01> strange
[23:57] <bprompt> I simply double-click the sheet there
[23:59] <jussi01> yeah, so that adds the link to the sheet to my current cell...
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.571141
| 2015-11-15T00:00:00 |
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"Bundestrojaner1",
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"NoobRampage",
"Smurphy_",
"TheDiveO",
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"bprompt",
"clivejo",
"denza242",
"excalibr",
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2015-11-15-#upstart
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[22:52] <nebg> hello everyone, which is the equivalent of "systemd-analyze" and "systemd-analyze blame" for upstart ?
[23:14] <JanC> nebg: use bootchart ?
[23:31] <nebg> ok thanks
[23:31] <nebg> does upstart have some advantages over systemd ?
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.573007
| 2015-11-15T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"JanC",
"nebg"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/15/%23upstart.txt",
"channel": "#upstart"
}
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2015-11-15-#snappy
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[12:20] <JohnClare> Hi all. Trying to install docker on Snappy and keep getting hit with the following error: ERROR: Invalid policy version for 'docker_docker_1.6.2.005.json'. Skipping
[12:20] <JohnClare> any ideas?
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.573617
| 2015-11-15T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"JohnClare"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/15/%23snappy.txt",
"channel": "#snappy"
}
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-za
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[06:28] <GnikLlort> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4833596402
[06:28] <GnikLlort> <3 fiber
[09:56] <magespawn> good morning
[09:59] <magespawn> Maaz help
[09:59] <Maaz> magespawn: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[09:59] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[10:00] <magespawn> Maaz helpme with monitering things
[10:00] <Maaz> magespawn: *blink*
[10:00] <magespawn> Maaz help me with monitering things
[10:00] <Maaz> magespawn: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[10:00] <magespawn> Maaz help me with monitering
[10:00] <Maaz> magespawn: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[10:00] <magespawn> Maaz what can you do
[10:00] <Maaz> magespawn: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[10:00] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[10:00] <magespawn> Maaz Monitering
[10:00] <Maaz> magespawn: Excuse me?
[10:01] <magespawn> Maaz: help me with monitering
[10:01] <Maaz> magespawn: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[10:01] <magespawn> Maaz: monitering things
[10:01] <Maaz> magespawn: *blink*
[10:04] <magespawn> Maaz you are a good bot
[10:04] <Maaz> magespawn: I already know stuff about you
[10:05] <magespawn> Maaz thanks
[10:05] <Maaz> magespawn: No problem
[10:06] <magespawn> Maaz monitering things
[10:06] <Maaz> magespawn: *blink*
[13:27] <theblazehen> Hi guys
[13:41] <Kilos> Afternoon evryone
[13:42] <Kilos> everyone
[13:42] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[13:42] <Kilos> hows theblazehen
[13:42] <theblazehen> Good and you Kilos ?
[13:42] <Kilos> good ty
[17:08] <theblazehen> This rm command has been running for like 11 hours...
[17:08] <theblazehen> Directory with lots of files. Any way to speed it up? Unlink directory, and do fsck?
[17:08] <theblazehen> Or is just waiting the best. like 14M files
[17:52] <Kilos> whew
[17:53] <Kilos> doesnt highlighting the folder then doing shift delete do it faster
[17:55] <Kilos> in 11 hours you can format the drive and reinstall a few times
[17:55] <Kilos> hi Audioburn welcome to ubuntu-za
[17:55] <Kilos> hey inetpro any rain yet??
[17:56] <Kilos> weve still had nothing
[17:57] * Kilos waves to tumbleweed
[17:58] <Kilos> hi thatgraemeguy overtime?
[17:58] <thatgraemeguy> sorting through photos
[18:00] <thatgraemeguy> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12246775_10153131195985925_8035888111656858283_n.jpg?oh=a4322039d21db174df277c075ce99404&oe=56F1D51C&__gda__=1454964757_63ed6796002910b4c3561691248d756f
[18:00] <thatgraemeguy> goooiinnnnggg...... DOWN... :)
[18:02] <tumbleweed> hi Kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:03] <Kilos> where are you now tumbleweed
[18:03] <Kilos> you move around so much
[18:03] <tumbleweed> I'm in Nashville, at a conference
[18:03] <Kilos> enjoy
[19:02] <inetpro> guten abend
[19:04] <inetpro> Kilos: answer is no
[19:05] <Kilos> ai!
[21:25] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[21:55] <Vlekkie> Hey
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2015-11-15-#kubuntu-devel
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[01:13] <ahoneybun> mm plasma is becoming a BIG pain in the butt with monitors
[01:13] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: with Lubuntu I use arandr
[01:13] <ahoneybun> plasma does everything
[01:14] <clivejo> ahoneybun: and the CI keeps blaming me :(
[01:14] <ahoneybun> clivejo: your doing your best on a system that is broken to start with
[01:14] <ahoneybun> we all thank you for the work you, sgclark and yofel are doing
[01:15] * ahoneybun knows not how to restart plasma
[01:15] <clivejo> Im not doing anything at the moment, I have no idea whats going on any more
[01:16] <ahoneybun> I was using Unity and it was working great for what I was doing
[01:16] <ahoneybun> d_ed: still kicking?
[01:19] <ahoneybun> logging out and back in fixed that
[01:20] <sgclark> things are a bit up in the air while we figure stuff out. hopefully we can work out a workflow next week
[01:20] <ahoneybun> I just don't know what to blame, plasma, the kcm, or kwin
[01:21] <sgclark> oh I guess he left
[01:21] <sgclark> monitors broke again?
[01:21] <ahoneybun> the panel was not listening
[01:21] <ahoneybun> no menu, no right click
[01:21] <sgclark> oh.
[01:21] <ahoneybun> one desktop was black with nothing
[01:21] <ahoneybun> logging out fixed it
[01:22] <ahoneybun> one thing that plasma never has gotten right I think is anything more then 1 monitor
[01:22] <sgclark> well I am nt much help. dunno what I did but my laptop keeps racing to 100% CPU and locks up.
[01:22] <sgclark> I need to stop doing a million things on it I guess
[01:22] <ahoneybun> I had that but with the hard drive doing it
[01:23] <ahoneybun> new harddrive fixed it
[01:23] <sgclark> could very well be
[01:23] <sgclark> ew
[01:23] <sgclark> no monies
[01:23] <ahoneybun> I moved from a 1TB spin to 240GB ssd
[01:23] <ahoneybun> lol
[01:23] <sgclark> nice
[01:23] <ahoneybun> you could try to request it from the fund
[01:23] <ahoneybun> ubuntu one
[01:23] <ahoneybun> 'try'
[01:23] <sgclark> couldnt upgrade if I wanted to
[01:23] <ahoneybun> how bad is your hardware sgclark?
[01:24] <sgclark> couple years old
[01:24] <ahoneybun> mm
[01:24] <ahoneybun> what CPU?
[01:24] <sgclark> guess lappy here is actually going on 4
[01:24] <sgclark> i7, was nice for its time
[01:25] <ahoneybun> yea Gen 2 maybe
[01:25] <sgclark> just wear and tear. I do everything on it..
[01:25] <ahoneybun> I have a 2 year old i7 here
[01:25] <ahoneybun> Gen 4
[01:25] <ahoneybun> Intel makes good chips
[01:26] <sgclark> aye, this thing does much compiling and everything else, I think though it is just saying, I am tired mom, let me rest haha
[01:26] <ahoneybun> I have an AMD build I made about 4 years ago
[01:26] <ahoneybun> yea you need a decent CPU and SSD to really compile
[01:28] <sgclark> yeah qt brings this thing to its knees.
[01:28] <sgclark> and I been running jenkins and docker stuff for CI testing, but I think I have finally most of it moved to kde infra.
[01:29] <ahoneybun> nice
[01:29] <sgclark> I can utilize launchpad for compiling till I can afford an upgrade.
[01:30] <ahoneybun> yea LP does have some uses lol
[01:32] <ahoneybun> everyone is going away :(
[01:32] <ahoneybun> go munich
[01:32] <sgclark> gonna be all work. Tons to do in short time
[01:33] <ahoneybun> either way
[01:36] <sgclark> gah
[01:40] <sgclark> yay..
[10:10] <lordievader> Good morning
[12:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[19:57] <clivejo> yofel: ping
[19:59] <clivejo> or sgclark ?
[20:09] <clivejo> Anyways, following the publishing of kdeconnect-plasma here - http://download.kde.org/unstable/kdeconnect/0.9/src/kdeconnect-kde-0.9.tar.xz.mirrorlist I packaged it up, but using the 0.9 as the version, is this ok?
[20:10] <clivejo> previous its been 0.0+gitXXXXXXXX
[20:10] <clivejo> wanted to know your thoughts on it
[20:14] <clivejo> if there are any testers here, its in my PPA (ppa:clivejo/wily and ppa:clivejo/xenial)
[20:14] * clivejo wanders off
[23:11] <mparillo> clivejo: Not sure I can test it, but it seemed to upgrade successfully: Unpacking kdeconnect-plasma (0.9-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1) over (0.0+git20151110-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1) ...
[23:11] <mparillo> On xenial
[23:12] <valorie> oooo, leet
[23:12] <clivejo> I have it installed on xenial and seems to be working :)
[23:12] <clivejo> valorie: do you know why kvkbd has been dropped?
[23:13] <valorie> dunno what that is?
[23:13] <valorie> !info kvkbd
[23:13] <clivejo> on screen keyboard
[23:13] <valorie> well duh
[23:13] <valorie> oh
[23:13] <valorie> there is work on a new one, I believe
[23:13] <valorie> or adapted from one that already works on android
[23:13] <clivejo> its designed for KDE4, but seems to work on my xenial install
[23:13] <valorie> interested
[23:14] <valorie> does it need porting?
[23:14] <clivejo> last update was in 2014
[23:14] <valorie> I've heard one complaint in #kubuntu about the lack of an os keyboard
[23:14] <clivejo> valorie: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kvkbd?content=56019
[23:15] <valorie> for people wanting to run kubuntu on tablet, they really need one
[23:15] <valorie> clivejo: I would ask in #plasma and get some opinions
[23:16] <valorie> or better yet, plasma-devel list since it's a weekend
[23:16] <valorie> sec
[23:16] <clivejo> it seems to work as intended
[23:16] <clivejo> Ill package it up for wily and xenial, get some more people to test it
[23:50] <valorie> cool. I'm upgrading my travel computer to xenial, since everybody seems to be having a good experience with it
[23:50] <valorie> that's `sudo apt devel-upgrade -d` or so?
[23:51] <valorie> !upgrade
[23:51] <clivejo> valorie: dont do it if you need that computer for anything
[23:51] <valorie> I won't need it until April, really
[23:52] <clivejo> at the moment its just wily with a few new packages, but when development really kicks off, it will probably break!
[23:52] <valorie> when I'm not traveling, it is now the Test Box
[23:52] <valorie> yep
[23:52] <valorie> been there, done that, and not doing it with *this* computer
[23:52] <jussi01> good morining lovely kubuntu peoples :)
[23:52] <valorie> bleeding-edge can be painful
[23:53] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to jussi01!
[23:53] <valorie> and good morning to lovely jussi people
[23:53] <jussi01> )
[23:57] <valorie> clivejo: it is worth asking the author why his work isn't on KDE git, so that it gets released to everybody
[23:58] <valorie> kde-apps is a rather crappy site, but until someone replaces it, it molders away....
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-br
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[00:24] <nuno_nunes> boa nooite
[00:25] <nuno_nunes> alguem esta a precisar de suporte
[00:25] <astroo-> nao por enquanto
[00:25] <nuno_nunes> tu usas windows :p
[00:29] <astroo-> nao sejas mauzinho
[00:29] <nuno_nunes> pk lol
[00:29] <astroo-> dizer no canal
[00:30] <nuno_nunes> hahaha
[00:31] <nuno_nunes> aff estes updates nunca mais acabam :p
[00:31] <astroo-> o skynet ainda nao domina
[00:32] <nuno_nunes> nao domina o que
[00:32] <nuno_nunes> :S
[00:32] <nuno_nunes> a net é que esta lerda
[00:53] <al4nc4ds> nuno_nunes, salve as tartaruguinhas!
[00:53] <al4nc4ds> ja ouviu falar do projeto LiMobile ?
[00:54] <nuno_nunes> al4nc4ds, what? o que é isso?
[00:55] <al4nc4ds> https://pt.opensuse.org/Utilizador:Cabelo/LiMobile
[00:55] <nuno_nunes> aqui é uma sala de suporte ao ubuntu
[00:56] <nuno_nunes> estas a precisar de suporte?
mas eu estou a usar o windows e linux com uefi
:D
ahnn
windows 10, linux debian, manjaro, ubuntu e opensuse
[01:03] <al4nc4ds> nuno_nunes, desculpe pensei que o canal fosse de linux
[01:04] <al4nc4ds> até ruindows, fork de arch e opensuse e citado
[01:05] <nuno_nunes> lol
[01:05] <al4nc4ds> lol 2
[01:12] <nuno_nunes> annakamilla, a tua net esta fraca?
[01:17] <annakamilla> é de 30 mb mas tá chovendo
[01:17] <annakamilla> to assisitindo livestream
[01:19] <annakamilla> to no wifi ainda que oscila entre 2 e 3 pts.
[01:24] <annakamilla> acho que vou deixar para assistir video aulas amanhã de manhã
[01:25] <jaqent> annakamilla: aula de que? Se não se importar em dizer :)
[01:26] <annakamilla> direito tributário
[01:26] <annakamilla> josiane minardi.
[01:27] <jaqent> hmmm
[01:28] <jaqent> parace cansativo :x
[01:28] <annakamilla> não é mas é que hj foi um dia diferente.
[01:30] <annakamilla> mas pelo menos vou aproveitar melhor
[01:30] <annakamilla> to indo
[01:30] <jaqent> compreendo, bom acho que quando a gente gosta fica mais divertido :D
[01:30] <annakamilla> xau
[01:30] <jaqent> annakamilla: uma boa noite pra vc o/
[04:41] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[04:42] <jaqent> o/
[04:43] <astroo-> ate
[05:15] <Douglas_> Help?
[11:54] <Guest60378> Galera estou precisando de um help
[11:56] <Guest60378> Estou tentando instalar o Ubuntu 14.10 em um PC com uma placa de Vídeo Gforce 7300 GS mas ele dá pau logo na tela de instalação, não reconhece a placa de vídeo... alguém sabe o que devo fazer?
[11:56] <rafaelsoaresbr> Guest60378, inicia o sistema com a opcao nomodeset
[11:56] <rafaelsoaresbr> coloca na linha de boot
[11:57] <rafaelsoaresbr> ou deve ter um menu na inicializacao do ubuntu
[11:57] <Guest60378> sim no F6
[11:57] <Guest60378> já marquei esta opção... e a ACPI=off
[11:58] <rafaelsoaresbr> mesmo assim deu tela preta?
[11:59] <Guest60378> pior que continua dando o mesmo problema... 6 faixar verticais como se estivesse com a frequência errada...
[12:01] <Guest60378> estou pensando em baixar a 15.10 para ver se consigo instalar...
[12:02] <rafaelsoaresbr> Guest60378, talvez definindo uma resolucao personalizada funcione, veja como faz isso no grub, estou procurando aqui, faz tempo que nao faco isso rs
[12:04] <rafaelsoaresbr> Guest60378, pode testar o 15.10, ou a instalacao no modo texto
[12:06] <Guest60378> pois é.. vou tentar... valew
[12:32] <mirqui> bom dia
[12:56] <spidder> bom dia a todos que fazem desse canal uma alternativa de conhecimentos compartilhados
[12:57] <mirqui> humm legal , bom dia :)
[13:02] <jff63> join
[13:03] <spidder> a minha visita foi por intermedio da visita a pagina do ubuntu, muito bom saber que foi criado esse canal para queles que estão acordando dos sistemas proprietarios e se libertando com sistemas livres graças a pessoas que nem vc´s que fazem esse canal, ser um encontro de sabios que estão a disposição de troca de informações e de ajudar aos iniciantes que ainda não sabem andar, valeu a todos
[13:04] <rafaelsoaresbr> verdade, quando comecei a usar o ubuntu sempre procurava ajuda no canal
[13:04] <mirqui> sim , verdade , tbm sou novo no linux tbm
[13:05] <mirqui> uso á uns 2 anos , mas sou usuério final
[13:05] <mirqui> uso o terminal com comandos básicos
[13:06] <mirqui> mas me serve para todas as coisas que usava no windows
[13:07] <diegopereira> Bom dia !!
[13:07] <spidder> lembro-me do "neo" em matrix muito curioso com tudo que antes acreditava ser real e quando acorda ver que tudo que via não era a verdadeira realidade, isso acontece com todos que usam os sistemas prorietarios e quando acordam e conhecem a familia "linux" a curiosidade e tão grande que somos inundados com tantas perguntas e curiosisdades que dependemos dos mais sabios para que possamos nos conter kkk
[13:08] <diegopereira> kkk
[13:08] <diegopereira> Boa comparação Spider
[13:08] <diegopereira> analagia interessante
[13:09] <diegopereira> Pessoal possuo o linux mint 17.2 no meu note. Entretanto, não estou conseguindo utilizar o bluetooth. Sabem me dizer o que posso fazer?
[13:12] <mirqui> vc configurou o bluetooth diego ?
[13:12] <mirqui> spider , nem tanto ahaha passei a usar o linux por motivos financeiros mesmo
[13:12] <diegopereira> Bom dia mirqui, eu não mexi em nada apenas instalei o linux e tente parear o meu mobile com o note
[13:13] <mirqui> o windows é bom , só que é caro para manter
[13:13] <diegopereira> no comando lspci não vejo o bluetooth como instalado.
[13:14] <mirqui> tem em configurações do sistema , no ubuntu , no mint não lenbroi o nome
[13:14] <mirqui> mas é em configurações que vc pode habilitar
[13:14] <mirqui> por padrão ele no iniciar deveria ter instalado
[13:15] <mirqui> qual seu celular?
[13:15] <spidder> estou a instalar agora o ubuntu na minha maquina virtual, pois sou um amante de linux desde quando acordei e percebi que internet não é apenas fotos,videos,textos e downloads simultaneos, internet e liberdade de fazermos aquilo que é a diferença de quase-todos e de tudo, pois com "linux" e a internet não podemos mudar o mundo mais podemos deixar ele diferente..
[13:15] <diegopereira> Ja habilitei ele nas configurações. O problema é que ele não encontra nenhum dispositivo
[13:15] <diegopereira> meu celular é um asus zenfone 5
[13:16] <mirqui> com android?
[13:16] <diegopereira> exato
[13:16] <mirqui> eu tenho um windows phone e ele tem um programa
[13:16] <mirqui> que vc põe no cel
[13:17] <mirqui> e ele dá uma url , um numero ip
[13:17] <mirqui> que parea o cel com o pc
[13:17] <mirqui> no android deve ter um parecido tbm
[13:17] <diegopereira> Com o ubuntu 32bits eu lembro que funcionou.
[13:17] <diegopereira> acho que pode ser algo relacionado a meu mint x64
[13:18] <mirqui> isso não posso te dizer , pq uso o ubuntu
[13:18] <mirqui> mas tenta um programa na google play
[13:18] <edenc> diegopereira: muito provavelmente é o firmware proprietário do hardware BT
[13:19] <mirqui> no win phone é easy phone , deve ter um programa similar para android
[13:19] <diegopereira> Eu tenho uma caixinha de som bluetooth tbm não consegui parear
[13:19] <diegopereira> ele nem encontra dispositivo
[13:19] <edenc> definitivamente o firmware do BT
[13:20] <edenc> spidder: é legal e tal o lance da liberdade, mas as empresas sempre encontram um jeito de prender as pessoas de novo. veja o caso do bluetooth agora.
[13:21] <mirqui> verdade , maney ,
[13:21] <mirqui> money
[13:21] <mirqui> dinheiro ,
[13:21] <spidder> e cara isso e real mesmo, mais temos q ter em mente que do mesmo jeito que as empresas estão trabalhando em prô de prender os usuários também temos pessoas boas do nosso lado kkkkk
[13:21] <mirqui> e um bocado de interesses , pq os programas são poucos para linux?
[13:22] <diegopereira> Eu uso esporadicamente o bluetooth mas as vezes é comodo vc parear o seu mobile ou sua caixinha de som
[13:22] <edenc> o problema não é o dinheiro não
[13:22] <edenc> enfim
[13:23] <mirqui> é dinheiro edence , ou vc acha que eles vão abrir o drivers proprietário?
[13:23] <mirqui> vão trabalhar de graça?
[13:23] <edenc> não vou entrar nessa discussão num domingo
[13:23] <spidder> isso sempre vai existe eles não querem perder os ganha pão deles de forma explorativa em alto grau,é por isso que temos que nos qualificar e quando aqules que estão no topo se aposentarem teremos que permanecer em seus lugares e dar continuidade
[13:24] <mirqui> verdade cara , a semana foi cheia
[13:24] <diegopereira> Bem eu curto o linux e o windows.
[13:24] <mirqui> tbm
[13:25] <diegopereira> Tenho em meu notebook dual boot
[13:25] <mirqui> só optei pelo linux pq é de graça
[13:25] <mirqui> eu usava dual boot tbm
[13:25] <diegopereira> O linux eu optei pela navegação web, pela segurança de dados
[13:25] <DeLonge> windows tambem eh gratis :p
[13:25] <diegopereira> o windows é mais para jogos, e softwares que não tem para linux
[13:25] <mirqui> só que descobri que o tec, que mandei botar o win 7 tinha botado um win pirata
[13:26] <mirqui> e me cobrou por win verdadeiro
[13:26] <diegopereira> Uso windows 10 e linux mint 17.2 ambos x64
[13:26] <diegopereira> todos originais !!
[13:26] <diegopereira> kkkk
[13:26] <mirqui> ai já estava usando o dual boot , resolvi experimentar só o ubuntu
[13:26] <diegopereira> O linux 17.2 foi o mais caro.
[13:27] <diegopereira> kkk
[13:27] <DeLonge> como um tecnico vai oferecer windows com licença oficial?
[13:27] <mirqui> ahaha vc comprou um dvd na venda :)?
[13:27] <mirqui> bom , baixou a iso , isso gasta luz
[13:27] <diegopereira> cara tive que pagar a luz + a operadora de internet
[13:28] <mirqui> deixou o seu pc ocioso por algunsminutos
[13:28] <diegopereira> tive que comprar um notebook
[13:28] <diegopereira> e finalmente acessei a web e baixei
[13:28] <mirqui> sim , nada é de graça
[13:28] <diegopereira> kkk
[13:28] <mirqui> mas pelo menos não gasto com licenças
[13:28] <edenc> não é verdade, tem um monte de coisa de graça
[13:28] <mirqui> e nem com tecnico
[13:29] <mirqui> era numa base de uns 200 reais 2 vezes ao ano
[13:29] <edenc> diegopereira: meh, não tô conseguindo encontrar a página com os downloads de firmware
[13:29] <edenc> vai ficar pra próxima porque tô perto de fazer o almoço
[13:29] <edenc> tá anotado em algum lugar aqui
[13:29] <edenc> mas é domingo e tô com preguiça
[13:29] <mirqui> um que tem para comer edence :)?
[13:29] <edenc> ceviche
[13:30] <mirqui> ?? ahaha que é isso?
[13:30] <spidder> cara quando falamos de programas que usamos no windows e muita s vezes dizemos que é por conta disso q usamos o windows, para resolver isso temos a ajuda do "wine" quando falamos de programas pesados ai vai depender muito do processador
[13:31] <diegopereira> Vou baixar um aplicativo para pegar o modelo do meu bluetooth e tentar resolver isso no site do fabricante
[13:31] <edenc> mirqui: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ceviche&t=canonical&ia=recipes
[13:31] <diegopereira> Eu já usei o wine, mas nem sempre funciona bem
[13:31] <mirqui> de que se trata o link edence?
[13:32] <edenc> é a resposta pra sua pergunta
[13:32] <mirqui> ahaha me fala , estou com preguiça de copiar o link
[13:32] <edenc> e eu estou com preguiça de explicar
[13:32] <mirqui> é uma salada , não?
[13:33] <diegopereira> Pessoal uma outra pergunta: Eu instalei o linux e não optei no momento da instalação criar uma particao swap
[13:33] <mirqui> ele já faz isso
[13:33] <diegopereira> eu criei posteriormente porem ta chato ficar dando swapon /dev/sda9 toda santa vez que ligo
[13:33] <diegopereira> como eu edito esse cara no fstab ?
[13:33] <mirqui> se sua memória ficar muito sobrecarregada
[13:34] <mirqui> vê em monitor do sistema
[13:35] <diegopereira> ta consumindo apenas 600mb
[13:35] <edenc> diegopereira: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/setting_up_swap.html
[13:35] <diegopereira> tenho 4GB
[13:35] <diegopereira> to dando uma olhada no link, vlw edenc
[13:35] <spidder> vc estar certo "diego" pois o "wine" é uma alternativa pra nós que queremos a liberdade do windows,pois se quisermos permancer com windows seremos obrigados a contratar um licença para que alguns bugs que eles encontram possam ser corrigidos,que dificilmente estaremos "seguros".
[13:36] <mirqui> diego , então vc não precisa de swap
[13:36] <edenc> spidder: o wine não é uma opção libertadora não
[13:36] <edenc> spidder: é intermediária
[13:36] <edenc> porque você não tem controle sobre o software que está executando
[13:36] <spidder> concordo "diego"
[13:37] <edenc> inclusive, a maioria dos termos de uso de software proprietário proíbe a execução em soluções como o wine
[13:37] <diegopereira> O ideal seria que os desenvolvedores desses softwares tornassem hibridos
[13:37] <diegopereira> Ou seja multiplataforma
[13:38] <spidder> pois o windows não tenho em mente de versões que tenham sido "front scracht" e sim provinientes
[13:38] <diegopereira> Temos no linux aplicações similiares
[13:38] <edenc> diegopereira: custa caro manter software em mais de uma plataforma
[13:38] <diegopereira> Se não me engano o gimp como " photoshop "
[13:38] <mirqui> ai é é puxar a brasa para a sardinha da concorrêcia
[13:39] <mirqui> bom pessoal vou almoçar
[13:39] <diegopereira> Confundimos software livre com " gratuito "
[13:39] <mirqui> bo,m almoço a todos :)
[13:39] <diegopereira> Temos que pensar que houve um trabalho para desenvolver
[13:39] <spidder> cuidado com as sobre mesas kkk
[13:40] <diegopereira> Infelizmente hoje se cobra " muito " em softwares onde a matéria prima é a intelectualidade
[13:41] <diegopereira> vc compra um Sistema Operacional por exemplo, o cara não extrai ferro, magnesio etc para fazer o SO não justifica o valor de R$ 600,00
[13:41] <spidder> sua afirmação é real diego.....
[13:41] <diegopereira> Claro que há intelectualidade no processo é essa merece ser valorizada
[13:42] <spidder> concordo...
[13:42] <edenc> diegopereira: justifica sim
[13:42] <edenc> as pessoas que desenvolvem precisam comer, dormir, ter saúde, etc.
[13:43] <diegopereira> Entretanto a um preço justo todos nós sairiamos ganhando
[13:43] <edenc> o que não justifica é você pagar R$ 600 numa coisa e ela não ser sua
[13:43] <spidder> kkkkk
[13:43] <spidder> e verdade e é isso que acontece
[13:43] <edenc> ou seja, vir com um monte de restrições no que você pode e não pode fazer com aquilo
[13:43] <diegopereira> O linux é gratuito vc baixa instala e usa
[13:43] <diegopereira> simples assim
[13:43] <edenc> nem todos
[13:44] <diegopereira> Nem todos, ex red hat enterprise
[13:44] <edenc> mas RHEL é uma distribuição
[13:44] <edenc> existem kernels com modificações proprietárias que não são gratuitos
[13:44] <edenc> e a questão não é essa
[13:45] <diegopereira> A questão é o valor agregado no produto e o valor que lhe é cobrado
[13:45] <edenc> a questão é que se você pagou pelo produto (o kernel, no caso), ele tem que ser seu
[13:45] <edenc> o que as empresas de software fazem não é uma venda, é uma concessão de licensa
[13:45] <edenc> justamente porque existe o furo legal de que não há uma entidade física envolvida
[13:46] <edenc> você pode vender seu software pelo preço que quiser, não sou contra
[13:46] <diegopereira> Tanto o linux quanto o windows tem a questao intelectual do desenvolvimento. Agora vamos imaginar um sistema operacional linux a R$ 50,00 com atualização garantida por 3 anos
[13:46] <diegopereira> O que seria R$ 50,00 em 3 anos ??
[13:46] <edenc> O que eu sou contra é você explorar o sistema legal pra fazer uma "venda" que não é uma venda
[13:47] <edenc> diegopereira: pra quem vive de bolsa família é muita coisa
[13:47] <diegopereira> Quem vive de bolsa familia meu caro nem pc deveria ter entao
[13:47] <edenc> porque não?
[13:47] <diegopereira> :(
[13:47] <edenc> há alguma lei proibindo?
[13:48] <diegopereira> Não há, da mesma forma que naõ a nenhuma lei que lhe proporciona uma licensa windows 7 ultimate
[13:48] <diegopereira> hehehe
[13:48] <edenc> então ela vai ter um pc se ela quiser, e fim de papo
[13:48] <edenc> é problema dela, não seu ;P
[13:48] <diegopereira> e vai ter que comprar um licensa para usar
[13:48] <diegopereira> Ai que entra o linux
[13:49] <diegopereira> ele é acessivel a todos
[13:49] <edenc> não vai ter que comprar nada não
[13:49] <diegopereira> Quem tem um pc razoavel tem varias opções de distribuições linux
[13:49] <diegopereira> Não vai pagar nada
[13:50] <edenc> ela compra se quiser
[13:50] <diegopereira> Eu só acho que o preço do sistema operacional deveria até existir mas não da forma explorativa que é hoje.
[13:50] <edenc> Ué, e o livre mercado?
[13:51] <diegopereira> Como vc msm disse compra quem quer.
[13:52] <diegopereira> Quem tem condição de licenciar o micro com windows + pacote office + Anti Virus BLZ !!!
[13:52] <diegopereira> Esses caras vao existir sempre
[13:53] <diegopereira> porem, todavia, entretanto, tem pessoas que não tem essa " opcao " e vai optar por utilizar uma distribuição linux, que ao meu ver esta ganhando força, já esta com uma interface amigavel
[13:53] <diegopereira> É um sistema seguro, desenvolvimento otimizado.
[13:54] <diegopereira> Peca nas aplicações proprietarios
[13:54] <diegopereira> Somos usuarios linux, logo, pensamos fora da " caixinha ". Tem muita gente ainda dentro da caixinha windows.
[13:58] <diegopereira> Pessoal, obrigado pelas ajudas. Um forte abraço a todos e até a proxima !!!
[14:00] * spidder slaps _salem` around a bit with a large fishbot
[14:02] <spidder> um otimo dia a todos que fazem esse canal maravilhoso até outra hora usuários linux e windows, valeu...
[14:48] <al4nc4ds> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1zgen5kW-4
[15:10] <mirqui> boa tarde
[15:18] <jaqent> boa tarde o/
[15:18] <albertoars> boa tarde
[15:18] <albertoars> pode me ajudar
[15:19] <mirqui> fala , se der te ajudo
[15:19] <albertoars> primeiro
[15:19] <albertoars> como faço pra ter minha camera que antes funcinava
[15:20] <mirqui> vc usa o google chrome?
[15:20] <albertoars> nao firefox
[15:21] <mirqui> opa , então não sei o forefox aceita hangout
[15:21] <albertoars> valeu
[15:21] <mirqui> o skype é que a câmera não funciona
[15:21] <mirqui> vc está querendo usar qual programa?
[15:22] <jaqent> já foi :(
[15:22] <mirqui> ahaha o que ele queria devia ser urgente
[15:24] <jaqent> ontem de madrugada entrou um que disse Help ? e em um minuto já fechou, nem deu tempo de vir pro IRC
[15:24] <mirqui> é só para ver quem está on , depois saem
[15:26] <jaqent> não tinha pensado nessa possibilidade
[15:27] <mirqui> sim , para que eles querem saber , eu não sei
[15:32] <mirqui> vou tirar um cochilo :) , boa tarde
[16:04] <lynxer10> fala ae povo
[16:04] <lynxer10> boa tarde
[16:08] <netow> boa tarde
[16:08] <netow> alguem pra me ajudar
[16:15] <lynxer10> vei exponha sua dificuldade no canal assim da pra as pessoas verem se podem ajudar ou nao
[16:18] <netow> ata.02 SRTS failed (errorno=-16)
[16:36] <Guest30776> Instalei o Ubuntu em meu notebook Ácer Aspire 5516 e estou com problemas para ligar e reiniciar a maquina
[16:39] <Guest30776> Uso 14.04 LTS
[19:11] <mirqui> boa tarde
[20:37] <PauloHenriqueNe> alguem ai pode me ajudar a mudar a imagem de tela de login no lubuntu
[20:42] <nuno_nunes> boa noite alguem precisa de suporte
[20:42] <Super_Ape> PauloHenriqueNe, instala Ubuntu Tweak
[20:42] <Super_Ape> PauloHenriqueNe, Deve funcionar.
[20:43] <nuno_nunes> Super_Ape, o que se passa
[20:43] <PauloHenriqueNe> vou tentar aqui,mas acho que ele não vai dar pra mudar
[20:43] <nuno_nunes> PauloHenriqueNe, posso ajuda
[20:43] <Super_Ape> PauloHenriqueNe, Por quÊ?
alguem ai pode me ajudar a mudar a imagem de tela de login no lubuntu
[20:44] <nuno_nunes> super eu vou ver o ubuntu tweak
[20:44] <nuno_nunes> dá
[20:44] <PauloHenriqueNe> esse programa é o gnome-Tweak-tool
[20:44] <Super_Ape> PauloHenriqueNe, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:tualatrix/ppa | sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get install ubuntu-tweak
[20:45] <nuno_nunes> nao
[20:45] <nuno_nunes> paulo estas a usar que distro
[20:45] <PauloHenriqueNe> lubuntu
[20:45] <Super_Ape> Yeah
[20:45] <nuno_nunes> lubuntu que??
[20:46] <Super_Ape> Lubuntu = ubuntu com LXDE
[20:46] <nuno_nunes> 14.04, 15.04, 15.10
[20:46] <nuno_nunes> :S
[20:46] <Super_Ape> ah.
[20:46] <PauloHenriqueNe> lubuntu 14.04.03
[20:46] <Super_Ape> lol
[20:46] <nuno_nunes> super eu trabalho com linux desde 2003
[20:47] <nuno_nunes> a quase 13 anos
[20:47] <nuno_nunes> :D
[20:47] <PauloHenriqueNe> uma coisa que não intendo,por que nõa colocaram a opção de mudar essa imagem na tela de login
[20:48] <Super_Ape> Existe a opção, oculta... Mas deu certo?
[20:49] <nuno_nunes> Super_Ape, isso é para a versão ubuntu
[20:49] <nuno_nunes> com unity
[20:49] <nuno_nunes> vou mudar de linux
[20:50] <nuno_nunes> ja volto
[20:51] <Super_Ape> PauloHenriqueNe, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-tweaks
[20:51] <Super_Ape> Acho que agora deve dar.
[20:51] <PauloHenriqueNe> vou tentar aqui
[20:53] <PauloHenriqueNe> não tem um programa que venha nos repositorios oficial
[20:53] <Super_Ape> Não que eu conheça, mas existe um meio que eu não domino. :)
[20:54] <Super_Ape> Trocar a tela usando comandos no terminal
[20:54] <Super_Ape> Deixe-me tentar achar algum LINK.
[20:54] <Super_Ape> Na verdade, nunca o fiz.
[20:55] <Super_Ape> PauloHenriqueNe, Já usou o comando nano ou vim ?
[20:57] <PauloHenriqueNe> a imagem fica aqui usr/share/lubuntu/wallpapers,achei que era só colar outra no lugar da que ta que mudaria
[20:57] <Super_Ape> Ahh
[20:57] <Super_Ape> PauloHenriqueNe, Colocou a outra?
[20:57] <PauloHenriqueNe> não
[20:57] <Super_Ape> Tem uma arquivo chamado: gtkrc ?
[20:57] <PauloHenriqueNe> agora que excluir ela
[20:57] <Super_Ape> nessa mesma pasta?
[20:57] <PauloHenriqueNe> ficou preta
[20:58] <PauloHenriqueNe> mas ficou melhor que tava
[20:59] <PauloHenriqueNe> não tem esse
[20:59] <barna> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Boot_Install_Login
[20:59] <Super_Ape> Só editar o gtkrc... lá dentro vai ter: file = "nome-da-imagem.extenção"
[20:59] <Super_Ape> PauloHenriqueNe, Vai no /usr/share/lxdm/themes/Lubuntu
[21:02] <PauloHenriqueNe> tem 2 pasta
[21:03] <PauloHenriqueNe> 14.04 lubuntu e lubuntu
[21:03] <Super_Ape> Algumas delas tem o gtkrc?
[21:03] <PauloHenriqueNe> as 2
[21:04] <Super_Ape> Vá na Lubuntu
[21:04] <Super_Ape> coloque sua imagem q vc deseja dentro
[21:04] <Super_Ape> Só editar o gtkrc... lá dentro vai ter: file = "nome-da-imagem.extenção"
[21:05] <PauloHenriqueNe> tem 2
[21:05] <PauloHenriqueNe> file = "wall.png"
[21:06] <Super_Ape> E qual o nome da sua iamgem?
[21:06] <PauloHenriqueNe> file = "shade.png"
[21:06] <Super_Ape> Devem trocar coisas diferentes.
[21:06] <Super_Ape> Veja as fotos e veja o que elas tem no LOGIN
[21:06] <Super_Ape> ou no TEMA do login
[21:06] <PauloHenriqueNe> ok
[21:07] <PauloHenriqueNe> vou tentar aqui
[21:07] <Super_Ape> na mesma pasta
[21:07] <Super_Ape> deve ser a wall.png e a shade.png
[21:07] <Super_Ape> veja as fotos e veja o que elas são
[21:08] <PauloHenriqueNe> acho que não é aqui,pois a imagem não é da tela de logion
[21:09] <Super_Ape> então veja na 14.04 lubuntu
[21:10] <PauloHenriqueNe> é a mesma coisa
[21:11] <Super_Ape> PauloHenriqueNe,
[21:11] <Super_Ape> SIMPLES
[21:11] <Super_Ape> lembra o nome e a extenção da imagem que estava no usr/share/lubuntu/wallpapers ?
[21:11] <Super_Ape> REnomeia a sua =
[21:11] <Super_Ape> que vai dar certo, certeza.
[21:11] <Super_Ape> Mas tem que estar igualzinho.
[21:11] <PauloHenriqueNe> é png
[21:11] <Super_Ape> Converte para PNG, o que te impede?
[21:12] <Super_Ape> http://image.online-convert.com/convert-to-png
[21:13] <Super_Ape> Eu realmente não tenho LUBUNTU para eu futricar aqui, fica difícil. hahahahaha
[21:14] <PauloHenriqueNe> eu so tenho ele por que ele é muito leve
[21:16] <Super_Ape> PauloHenriqueNe, Eu uso o XUBUNTU
[21:17] <PauloHenriqueNe> to quase usando tbm,ta foda
[21:17] <Super_Ape> PauloHenriqueNe, Deu certo?
[21:17] <PauloHenriqueNe> não
[21:18] <PauloHenriqueNe> vc sabe se o lubuntu roda em processador celeron
[21:18] <PauloHenriqueNe> xubuntu
[21:18] <Super_Ape> Roda sim.
[21:18] <Super_Ape> Quantos de ram você tem?
[21:18] <Super_Ape> Por quê você não instala o Lubuntu Tweak?
[21:19] <Super_Ape> Mais fácil do que usar outra distro por causa disso. o.O
[21:19] <PauloHenriqueNe> 3 gb
[21:22] <Super_Ape> Xfce é um pouco mais pesado do que LXDE
[21:24] <PauloHenriqueNe> mas se não for muito
[21:25] <PauloHenriqueNe> acho que depois vou testar
[21:26] <Super_Ape> Não vai nem notar a diferença
[21:26] <Super_Ape> PauloHenriqueNe, instala o XFCE aí ue
[21:27] <Super_Ape> =P
[21:27] <PauloHenriqueNe> vou instalar do lado,assim se ficar bom eu deixo
[21:28] <Super_Ape> Eu vou sair, abraços, boa sorte.
[21:57] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[21:58] <picasso_> olá xD
[21:59] <astroo-> ola
[22:00] <picasso_> :]
[22:33] <nuno_nunes> boa noite a todos
[22:33] <nuno_nunes> alguem está a precisar de suporte :)
[22:35] <astroo-> ola
[22:35] <astroo-> nao por enquanto
[22:36] <nuno_nunes> lol,
[23:22] <mestreilustre> olá galera
[23:24] <mestreilustre> acabei de instalar o ubuntu 14.10 e não consigo descompactar arquivos .rar
[23:42] <picasso_> apt-get install rar acho que com esse vai :)
[23:43] <picasso_> ah se foi x.x
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-rs
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[09:18] <Zbunjen> 3 x instaliram ovaj glupi ubuntu i svaki put mi posle nekog vremena izbaci: /dev/sda4: unexpected inconsistency: run fsck manually.
[09:19] <Zbunjen> zna li neko od vas i ima li volje da mi pomogne ?
[15:10] <tata> Jel zna neko kako da rešim problem sa mišom na ubuntu 12.04, povremeno se gubi-ne vidi se strelica?
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-locoteams
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[01:12] <tsimonq2> tomorrow is the day
[01:13] <tsimonq2> tomorrow is the day that I get contact position of the Ubuntu Wisconsin LoCo Team
[01:13] <ahoneybun> \o/
[15:32] <svij> nhaines: ping
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2015-11-15-#xubuntu-devel
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[12:12] <dkessel> flocculant: if you change the font size in mousepad, does it change?
[12:13] <flocculant> dkessel: yes it does
[12:13] <dkessel> hmm. not for me
[12:29] <flocculant> dkessel: have the ppa version here
[12:29] <dkessel> flocculant: me too. but i am trying other things now anyway
[12:37] <flocculant> added a test to the image tests - just tests that image boots
[12:38] <flocculant> I rarely get time to check apps in livesession - doing that all day in a real one
[12:38] <flocculant> temp fix waiting for jenkins/image tests to actually happen
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-nl
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[10:02] <TheEagerPadawan> hoe de-install ik vmplayer en vmware workstation , al via software center gezocht komt er niet in, en ik weet niet direct de package names om via de cli te gaan
[10:02] <Sling> dpkg -l | grep -i vmware
[10:03] <Sling> of apt-cache search vmware eventueel
[10:03] <TheEagerPadawan> apt-cache al geprobeert zag niet direct iets staan
[10:03] <TheEagerPadawan> niet gedacht aan dpkg ;)
[10:04] <TheEagerPadawan> dpkg geeft ook niet veel informatie vrij @ http://dpaste.com/11GBG87
[10:11] <lordievader> TheEagerPadawan: Hoe heb je vmware geinstaleerd?
[10:14] <TheEagerPadawan> .deb package
[10:15] <lordievader> Hoe heet de package precies?
[10:15] <TheEagerPadawan> no clue
[10:15] <lordievader> ... Waarom niet, jij hebt hem geinstaleerd ;)
[10:16] <TheEagerPadawan> heb de .deb package niet meer
[10:17] <TheEagerPadawan> hmmm #vmware is comateus
[10:18] <lordievader> Download je hem opnieuw?
[10:18] <lordievader> Weet je tenmiste waar je naar opzoek bent ;)
[10:20] <TheEagerPadawan> kan inderdaad een oplossing zijn
[10:20] <TheEagerPadawan> systeem zou moeten zien dat er al een versie is geinstalleerd
[10:22] <lordievader> Ik denk ook eigenlijk dat er bestanden zijn achtergebleven.
[10:27] <TheEagerPadawan> zal zien wat de redownload zegt
[10:28] <TheEagerPadawan> tinkering paradise , welcome to linux ;)
[12:42] <anoniem> hoi ik heb een probleem met ubuntu en hoop dat iemand kan helpen. krijg geen updates meer.prgrama doet t niet
[12:44] <padv> anoniem: start ubuntu nog op of zijn het enkel updates die niet meer lukken?
[12:44] <anoniem> geen enkele update doet het al meer dan week of zo
[12:45] <anoniem> update beheer krijg ik niet open
[12:45] <lordievader> anoniem: Wat is de output van 'sudo apt-get update'?
[12:46] <anoniem> sorry ben echt een idioot
[12:46] <anoniem> je moet me wat meer uitleggen
[12:46] <padv> anoniem: ga naar een terminal venster en typ "sudo apt-get update"
[12:46] <lordievader> anoniem: Open een terminal, tik ^ in. Kopieer output naar http://paste.kde.org upload en plak de url naar de paste hier.
[12:46] <anoniem> met "
[12:47] <lordievader> anoniem: Zonder.
[12:48] <anoniem> mn toestenbord doet het niet als ik password in moet voeren
[12:49] <padv> anoniem: is normaal dat je niets te zien krijgt bij ingeven password
[12:49] <anoniem> ah
[12:49] <anoniem> ok nog 1x
[12:50] <anoniem> Pakketlijsten worden ingelezen... Fout! W: Er is een fout opgetreden bij de handtekeningcontrole. De pakketbron is niet bijgewerkt en de oude indexbestanden zullen worden gebruikt. GPG-fout: http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com trusty Release: De volgende ondertekeningen waren ongeldig: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <[email protected]> W: Ophalen van http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/Relea
[12:51] <padv> anoniem: kan je volledige output posten op: http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[12:51] <padv> anoniem: en dat url bezorgen
[12:53] <anoniem> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13281223/
[12:56] <padv> In een terminal: sudo rm -vf /var/lib/apt/lists/* en vervolgens nog eens sudo apt-get update
[12:56] <padv> anoniem: In een terminal: sudo rm -vf /var/lib/apt/lists/* en vervolgens nog eens sudo apt-get update
[12:59] <anoniem> pakketenlijsten klaar
[12:59] <anoniem> is dat het?
[12:59] <padv> anoniem: krijg je de waarschuwing van ongeldige ondertekeningen nog?
[12:59] <lordievader> Nee, je moet de signing key downloaden.
[13:00] <lordievader> anoniem: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 40976EAF437D05B5
[13:00] <anoniem> deze hele lijn moet ik kopieren en plakken
[13:00] <padv> anoniem: wat lordievader zegt om die waarschuwing weg te krijgen in een terminal
[13:00] <lordievader> anoniem: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[13:01] <padv> daarna sudo apt-get update: krijg je nog fouten of waarschuwingen?
[13:02] <padv> anoniem: daarna sudo apt-get update: krijg je nog fouten of waarschuwingen?
[13:02] <anoniem> 40976EAF437D05B5 Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --homedir /tmp/tmp.4BKLlltNWp --no-auto-check-trustdb --trust-model always --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 40976EAF437D05B5 gpg: opvragen sleutel 437D05B5 van hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com gpg: sleutel 437D05B5: "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubun
[13:03] <lordievader> anoniem: Zou je in het vervolg http://paste.kde.org willen gebruiken voor console output, dit leest heel vervelend.
[13:04] <padv> anoniem: daarna sudo apt-get update: krijg je nog fouten of waarschuwingen?
[13:04] <anoniem> heeej wacht effe
[13:04] <anoniem> ik zie geen stop teken meer in mn boven balk
[13:04] <anoniem> zal het nu wel goed zijn
[13:05] <anoniem> moet ik nu mn computer opnieuw aan zetten
[13:05] <lordievader> Nee.
[13:05] <lordievader> anoniem: Draai eens een 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'.
[13:06] <anoniem> kan je me uitleggen wat er aan de hand is
[13:06] <anoniem> en wat is dis upgrade
[13:07] <lordievader> anoniem: Dist-upgrade is de uitgebreide variant van upgrade. Het update je (geinstalleerde) pakketten.
[13:09] <anoniem> ik heb nu mn update beheer geopend en hij doet het
[13:09] <anoniem> hij s nu aan instaleren
[13:09] <anoniem> ik denk dat het wel ok is
[13:17] <TheEagerPadawan> lardievader: vmware geinstalleerd via .bundle file
[13:17] <TheEagerPadawan> lordievader: chmod +x -> ./*.bundle
[13:17] <lordievader> Ah, geen wonder dat dpkg hem niet kent.
[13:18] <TheEagerPadawan> hoe flikker ik het dan van me systeem?
[13:18] <lordievader> Lees de manual, staat het vast in.
[13:20] <TheEagerPadawan> heb enkel release notes
[13:23] <lordievader> http://www.vmware.com/pdf/ws7_manual.pdf
[13:23] <TheEagerPadawan> gracias senor
[13:23] <TheEagerPadawan> senior*
[13:24] <TheEagerPadawan> page 47 for the win ;)
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-co
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[05:11] <ofprieto> kubot: help
[05:11] <ofprieto> kubot ayuda
[05:11] <ofprieto> kubot: -s
[05:11] <ofprieto> kubot: -h
[05:11] <ofprieto> kubot: -f
[05:11] <ofprieto> kubot: -hora
[05:11] <ofprieto> kubot: -log
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.614407
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-pt
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[04:41] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[21:57] <astroo-> ola pessoal
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.615177
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"astroo-"
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2015-11-15-#ubuntu-us-tn
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[16:12] <aedend> I'm testing out using weechat over ssh
[16:13] <aedend> I installed weechat on my vps and connected with a different nick
[16:15] <aedend> but the nick minasota shows me as [email protected] How is that possible?
[16:20] <Unit193> That's the DO droplet...
[16:37] <aedend> Unit193 I get the ip address part. What I don't understand is how it tied me into an unaffiliated nick
[16:37] <aedend> with no prior configuration on the server side of weechat
[16:39] <Unit193> You mean the ident, based on your account on the server?
[16:40] <aedend> I guess, I read that weechat defaults to a nick based on the user account running it. I changed nicks but the username and real name did not change
[16:40] <aedend> I set defaults to minasota for both.. still didn't change
[16:43] <aedend> never mind, seems to work now
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-ir
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[00:25] <habib> سلام
[00:25] <habib> خدا قوت
[00:26] <habib> من یه سوال داشتم
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-se
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[11:50] <huttan> Gomorron
[12:19] <Mathisen> huttan, den här tiden
[12:19] <Mathisen> god dag skulle ja sägga :)
[12:20] <Mathisen> *säger
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.621555
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-us-ca
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[02:03] <nhaines_> pleia2: a bit late, but thanks for all the amazing work you do for the Ubuntu community. :)
[02:03] <pleia2> nhaines_: never too late :)
[02:04] <nhaines_> pleia2: it works out anyway because you're always doing more amazing work.
[02:04] <pleia2> haha, thanks
[02:04] <pleia2> can do more not getting emotionally worn out by giant leadership positions
[02:05] <nhaines> No doubt.
[02:05] <nhaines> How do you feel about small leadership positions?
[02:05] <pleia2> should probably steer clear until my book is done
[02:06] <nhaines> It was worth a try. :)
[02:09] <nhaines> Books are actually a lot of work.
[22:47] <nhaines> Just a heads up for anyone interested, our Meetup group is now live at: http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-California/
[22:47] <darthrobot> [403] Title: [Attention Required! | CloudFlare]
[22:51] <pleia2> nhaines: shall I share on the social media?
[22:52] <pleia2> nhaines: I guess we should talk about how to add events first and thins
[22:52] <pleia2> things
[22:53] <nhaines> Yeah. I think it's social media-safe, though. We can get people to sign up perhaps.
[22:53] <nhaines> http://www.ubucon.org/ should be live almost everywhere now.
[22:53] <darthrobot> Error opening URL: [Errno -2] Name or service not known
[22:53] <pleia2> hee
[22:53] <nhaines> *almost* everywhere. :)
[22:53] <pleia2> nhaines: well, if we're going to use it for events, it may be nice to have a couple seeded before we tell people about it
[22:54] <pleia2> but I could go either way
[22:54] <nhaines> True, true. I set it up mostly so we can get Ubucon Summit set up.
[22:55] * pleia2 nods
[23:00] <nhaines> http://ubucon.org/en/ does seem to be live... So I'll have to poke someone about CNAME records, ugh.
[23:00] <darthrobot> Title: [Home | UbuCon portal]
[23:24] <pleia2> oh hey, I should be home in time for the meeting on sunday
[23:24] * pleia2 updates agenda
[23:25] <nhaines> yay!
[23:26] <nhaines> Thanks, pleia2.
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-ru
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[08:22] <uneform_alex> Доброе утро
[18:39] <Sergey_IT> вечра
[18:50] <tagezi> Sergey_IT: вчера )
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ubuntu-chat
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"channel": "#ubuntu-ru"
}
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-cat
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[14:54] <UnicFb910> Hola
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-il
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[11:44] <guesto> Is anybody here?
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-on-air
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[15:44] <rizky> like
[15:52] <dragos> Hello , everyone
[15:54] <neurot> Hello
[15:54] <popey> hello!
[15:54] * popey looks for dholbach
[15:54] <dholbach> almost there
[15:59] <popey> Tick tock
[16:01] <dragos> QUESTION:How to get a free ubuntu phone? I'm a developer with big plans but i need an ubuntu phone\
[16:01] <dragos> QUESTION:How to get a free ubuntu phone? I'm a developer with big plans but i need an ubuntu phone
[16:02] <tsimonq2> oh HELLO guys :D
[16:02] <tsimonq2> is this the right channel to be in, popey?
[16:03] <tsimonq2> for ubuntuonair.com
[16:03] <popey> yup yup
[16:03] <tsimonq2> yay :)
[16:03] <tsimonq2> popey: could you link those for us?
[16:03] <tsimonq2> or dholbach?
[16:03] <dragos> QUESTION:How to get an ubuntu phone for free? I'm a developer with big plans but I don't have an ubuntu phone and I need one
[16:04] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-community-team
[16:04] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/user/UbuntuOnAir
[16:04] <tsimonq2> thanks!
[16:04] <theBest> Will all the legacy programs (like gimp, libreoffice, firefox,...) be available for arm-based converged devices? I assume first only the open source programs will be recompiled for arm-based devices!?
[16:04] <tsimonq2> dragos: +1
[16:04] <neurot> Q: When are we going to see unity 8
[16:04] <dragos> tsimonq2: ?
[16:05] <theBest> QUESTION: Any news on how the scops will work and look on the Unity 8-Desktop?
[16:05] <tsimonq2> dholbach: QUESTION: if you would like to help out with Snappy development, where do you go?
[16:06] <mariogrip> QUESTION: Is there any plans of a "preview" version of snappy on ubuntu touch any time soon?
[16:06] <dholbach> theBest, make sure you prefix your questions with QUESTION:
[16:07] <nxvl> dholback: nice beard!
[16:07] <mariogrip> ChloeWolfieGirl: Hi :)
[16:07] <dholbach> nxvl, haha :)
[16:07] <tsimonq2> all subscribed :D
[16:07] <tsimonq2> (to the mailing list)
[16:07] <theBest> dholbach, I did...
[16:07] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mariogrip: oh Hai
[16:07] <alexpag> hello from Corfu Greece. QUESTION: Is app grid going to replace ubuntu software center in 16.04 Lts release?
[16:07] <tsimonq2> popey: QUESTION: Do you have an Ubuntu phone, and if so, where do you get one?
[16:07] <dholbach> theBest, ah, I was looking at the question about legacy programs earlier :)
[16:08] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Gnome Store is replacing the ubuntu software center in unity7 how will this affect click packages unity8 and other things?
[16:08] <theBest> dholbach, oh sorry. I forgot it.
[16:08] <dholbach> no worries :)
[16:09] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: tl;dr: not at all
[16:09] <dholbach> I was just reading the backlog and saw it :)
[16:09] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119: thats good :3
[16:10] <theBest> QUESTION: How are you?
[16:10] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: from what I understand, Gnome Apps supports plugins for different backends, so the desktop team is building a backend for the current desktop store, but both will go away in favor of the click/snappy store when Unity 8 is used
[16:14] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119: Yeah I thought that the ubuntu store would be favored in unity8 but I was wondering the plan to get clicks and snaps into the gnome store
[16:15] <mhall119> there might be a Gnome Apps backend for the snappy store, that was discussed at UOS
[16:15] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: What features and updates are you excited for in OTA9 :P
[16:17] <popey> http://store.bq.com/es/ubuntu-edition-e-4-5-outlet
[16:17] <cool_cat> QUESTION: the current unity8 theme looks weird. when will we have a new theme and how it will look like? will it be like ambiance?
[16:17] <Rat_> QUESTION : is there any chance we can expect a convertable os in ubuntu phones ?
[16:18] <cool_cat> QUESTION: related to the previous question, how hard is to make my own theme? do i have to know c#?
[16:18] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: What are the ethical questions that need to be answered about Ubuntu members asking for crowdfunding to go to the Feb UbuCon in California ?
[16:19] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: talking about themes, any updates on customisable things such as different keyboards, cursors, icons, etc?
[16:19] <core_apps_police> QUESTION: Can we expect a Facebook scope like the one we've got with OTA8?
[16:19] <tsimonq2> ooh :)
[16:22] <core_apps_police> QUESTION: The Unity8 desktop will receive monthly updates like the phones? Or just like the current method?
[16:22] <cool_cat> QUESTION: why is not SDL2 installed and supported by default? i have really a hard time with simple things like making the app full screen or loading an image :'(
[16:23] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: what plans are there to make scopes more useful and engaging?
[16:24] <tsimonq2> hahahaha FINALLY gets the pronounciation of my username right :D
[16:24] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: I've been waiting over a month for Ubuntu Community Funding - what's taking so long ?
[16:25] <cool_cat> QUESTION: have you heard the news about jolla going to the death valley (x3), what can ubuntu do to not meet jolla in the valley
[16:25] <_Ridgewing> ^?
[16:25] <ChloeWolfieGirl> cool_cat I know little about this, what is happening with jolla, is it just switching to creating software only, or is sailfish dead?
[16:25] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Is the move from Unity 7 to Unity 8 going to be smoother than the KDE 3 to KDE 4 to Plasma 5 or Gnome 2 to Gnome 3 or Windows 7 to Windows 8 migration headaches or are they doomed to repeat history (and wails of pain and anguish)?
[16:25] <mhall119> cool_cat: well, we have a pretty reliable investor, for one thing :)
[16:26] <cool_cat> the lord of teh dragons :P
[16:26] <cool_cat> ChloeWolfieGirl: they are restructuring or something https://blog.jolla.com/open-letter-jolla-community/
[16:27] <ChloeWolfieGirl> cool_cat: ah oki
[16:29] <_Ridgewing> go gnome !
[16:29] <_Ridgewing> good games tab, recently.
[16:30] <tsimonq2> yes!
[16:30] <tsimonq2> popey: you are the ONLY person that pronounces it correctly! :D
[16:30] <cool_cat> QUESTION: on android you can now sell apps as low as 0.22$ (depending on the country), are there any plans to implement virtual currencies so we "developers" can sell an app at whatever price? users will still have to pay a minimum sum but they then can pay whatever the app costs
[16:30] <nxvl> so NOT hard to picture popey jumping around in joy
[16:30] <_Ridgewing> ooh complicated one.
[16:31] <cool_cat> QUESTION: any news on bq's russian launch? does putin love the bq ubuntu phone?
[16:34] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Who has StarWars tickets ?
[16:35] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Sith or Jedi ?
[16:37] <nakanut> QUESTION: Is bluetooth FTP and plug-ins for file manager/gallery/etc. being actively worked on for Ubuntu Touch?
[16:38] <mhall119> popey: opposite
[16:38] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Is Unity 8 going to be better for gaming, or the same as Unity 7?
[16:39] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Have any of you got a steam machine and what do you think of it and how it'll affect gaming on Ubuntu and Ubuntu adoption?
[16:40] <_Ridgewing> Virgin-Atlantic is £540 return from the UK to LAX, using delta to come back on.
[16:41] <tsimonq2> QUESTION: Is Unity 8 going to be lighter then Unity 7? I don't like the memory hog that is Unity 7 using 3 of my 8 gigs of RAM.
[16:42] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Any update on the HUD or the music indicator things like skip, icon, name of song etc?
[16:42] <koertis> QUESTION: How happy are you with the progress which ubuntu phone made the last couple months until it was launched in February? I had some rumor that it will be available for purchases in shops next year, is this still feasible?
[16:42] * mhall119 loves that ChloeWolfieGirl asks after the HUD at every opportunity :)
[16:42] <ahayzen> ChloeWolfieGirl, music indicator WIP :-) likely OTA9ish
[16:43] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119: Haha :) I'm glad we both agree that the HUD is loved and needed :P
[16:43] <mhall119> ChloeWolfieGirl: I ask tedg about it every time I see him
[16:43] <mhall119> same with johnlea
[16:45] <ChloeWolfieGirl> ahayzen: :D Its nice seeing it and having it there :P
[16:45] <ChloeWolfieGirl> mhall119: Haha they need to know we want it, its important
[16:45] <ahayzen> ChloeWolfieGirl, we're getting closer and closer :-) parts are going through QA at the moment
[16:46] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: The idea of the Facebook scope like the twitter scope, how about G+ or Diaspora scopes similar and then a social agregator? :P
[16:46] <ChloeWolfieGirl> ahayzen: exciting :)
[16:46] <ahayzen> :-)
[16:47] <ChloeWolfieGirl> ahayzen: its something I look at every few updates on rc to see if something new there :P
[16:47] <ahayzen> hehe
[16:48] <ahayzen> the music-app click we can't land until its in a stable, but the media-hub portions are partially there already ;-)
[16:48] <tsimonq2> QUESTION: How will the snappy transition affect the flavors?
[16:49] <core_apps_police> QUESTION: Are WE (developers, translators, Canonical, phone-vendors, etc) ready to have phones on fiscally stores? Can you imagine that day? A day wen people make a queue to buy one phone, like those with new iPhones :p
[16:50] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Why is the last link on wiki.ubuntu.com/Social for couchsurFing not working ?
[16:52] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: When can we have physical Ubuntu stores ;)
[16:53] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Any plans for a ubuntu edge 2.0?
[16:58] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: As a way to get more apps on ubuntu phones are there plans to make deals with companys so canonical makes said app such as a native facebook, or a game like doodle jump or sonic for companys for our phone so we get apps and the companys dont have to worry about making one, much like telegram, or is this spreading developers to thin and have other issues?
[17:00] <_Ridgewing> dholbach: Can I talk to you about the community funding, quickly ?
[17:01] <mhall119> good show popey and dholbach
[17:01] <dholbach> thanks mhall119
[17:01] <_Ridgewing> yeps yayz !! \o/
[17:01] <dholbach> _Ridgewing, sure
[17:01] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone!
[17:01] <ChloeWolfieGirl> Thanks guys :D
[17:02] <_Ridgewing> Ok, so my name is yselnne .. I asked for $30 community funding.
[17:02] <popey> Thanks everyone!
[17:02] <ahayzen> thanks dholbach popey :-)
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.646489
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-it
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[08:10] <zgorbyo> salve tutti non riesco a mettere in funzione ili bluetooth su ubuntu 1404
[08:11] <zgorbyo> quando lo attivo si rimette in off da solo e immediatamente
[08:34] <giova> buongiorno a tutti
[08:35] <giova> avrei bisogno di un consiglio....che distro installare su notebook datato 512 ram pent,4 1,6ghz
[08:35] <giova> ho provato gia lubuntu ma non gira
[08:38] <giova> a piu tardi..grazie
[11:06] <demy> buon giorno ho provato la versione 15.10 ma con la modalità di prova ubuntu si blocca irreversibilmente dopo pochi minuti è normale?
[11:07] <demy> meglio provare una versione precedente?
[11:12] <luigi59> buongiorno, ho provato gia 2 volte l'istallazione di ubuntu su windows ma prtroppo lapagina di istallazione mi rimane congelaa e non va avanti. ho effettuato tutte le operazioni descritte, ovvero download e conversione con unebooting su pennetta e infine ho variato il boot di avvio, ma purtroppo non va. Ho forse omesso qualcosa? grazie
[11:27] <neomaxer> salve a tutti
[11:27] <neomaxer> come installo un file run?
[11:49] <damiano> buon giorno ho provato la nuova versione di ubuntu ma si blocca e devo spegnere il pc...non ho installato ma usato la versione di prova..[ normale_
[11:58] <ExPBoy> damiano, dacci più informazioni tipo che pc hai memoria processore scheda video....
[11:59] <damiano> è un pentium dual core scheda video g-force memoria 2 gb
[12:02] <damiano> scheda videa NVIDIA ge force 7300 gs
[12:03] <ExPBoy> damiano, spiega bene il "si blocca"
[12:04] <luigi59> buongiorno, ho provato gia 2 volte l'istallazione di ubuntu su windows ma prtroppo lapagina di istallazione mi rimane congelaa e non va avanti. ho effettuato tutte le operazioni descritte, ovvero download e conversione con unebooting su pennetta e infine ho variato il boot di avvio, ma purtroppo non va. Ho forse omesso qualcosa? grazie
[12:04] <ExPBoy> !winusb
[12:04] <ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'winusb'
[12:04] <ExPBoy> !usbwin
[12:04] <ubot-it> Scarica Universal USB Installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB. Guida: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO
[12:04] <ExPBoy> usa questo
[12:04] <damiano> non mi permette di fare nulla e devo spegnere il pc
[12:05] <damiano> dici che risolvo con usbwin
[12:05] <ExPBoy> damiano, hai scaricato la versione per 32 o per 64?
[12:05] <ExPBoy> damiano, non è per te
[12:05] <ExPBoy> ma per luigi
[12:05] <damiano> ha ok
[12:05] <damiano> 64 bit
[12:05] <Carlin0> luigi59, ubuntu non si installa "su windows"
[12:05] <ExPBoy> eh prova la 32
[12:06] <damiano> e se lo fa lo stesso?
[12:06] <ExPBoy> damiano, con i se non facciamo niente
[12:06] <damiano> ok provo...
[12:06] <ExPBoy> ecco
[12:06] <damiano> intanto grazie
[12:07] <ExPBoy> figurati
[12:07] <minix> ciao, non riesco a installare gparted su ubuntu 14.04 per "mancanza di permessi"...qualcuno può aiutarmi, per piacere?
[12:07] <ExPBoy> ?
[12:07] <damiano> che dici provo la 15.10
[12:07] <Carlin0> minix, sudo apt install gparted
[12:08] <ExPBoy> damiano, vedi tu
[12:08] <damiano> dico è stabile giusto
[12:08] <ExPBoy> damiano, avevi detto che avevi provato l'ultima versione...
[12:08] <damiano> si a 64 bit
[12:08] <ExPBoy> la 15.10 è l'ultima versione
[12:09] <damiano> e anche quella precedente a 64 bit con lo stesso risultato
[12:09] <ExPBoy> damiano, ma vuoi provare la 32 o no?
[12:09] <damiano> ok sorry
[12:09] <ExPBoy> altrimenti se vuoi chiaccherare....
[12:09] <ExPBoy> !chat
[12:09] <ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[12:09] <minix> Carlin0, grazie...vado su terminale quindi?
[12:10] <Carlin0> esatto minix e incolla quel comando
[12:11] <Nicola> [#ubuntu-it] salve si può chiedere supporto ?
[12:12] <ExPBoy> !chiedi | Nicola
[12:12] <ubot-it> Nicola: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)
[12:12] <Nicola> [#ubuntu-it] salve, chiedo come posso masterizzare su supporto USB iso ubuntu 15.10
[12:13] <Carlin0> Nicola, da windows ?
[12:13] <Nicola> si
[12:13] <Carlin0> !usbwin | Nicola
[12:13] <ubot-it> Nicola: Scarica Universal USB Installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB. Guida: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO
[12:13] <minix> grazie Carlin0..arrivato qui: "Elaborazione dei trigger per libc-bin (2.19-0ubuntu6.6)...
[12:13] <minix> "
[12:13] <Carlin0> minix, ha dato errori ?
[12:14] <Nicola> posso installare ubuntu in dual boot e se mi trovo bene eliminare windows e lasciare ubuntu ?
[12:14] <minix> Carlin0, no..ma lanciando dal dash non parte...
[12:15] <Carlin0> Nicola, puoi installare in dual boot basta che scegli l'opzione : installa al fianco di ...
[12:15] <Carlin0> minix, che ubuntu è?
[12:15] <minix> 14.04 lts
[12:16] <minix> Carlin0, 14.04 LTS
[12:16] <Nicola> Carlin0, ma posso eliminare windows e far partire direttamente ubuntu (successivamente)
[12:16] <Carlin0> minix, prova a lanciarlo da terminale e se da errori mettili nel pastebin
[12:16] <Carlin0> !paste | minix
[12:16] <ubot-it> minix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[12:16] <ExPBoy> Nicola, e che fastidio ti da windows?
[12:17] <ExPBoy> io eviterei di toglierlo
[12:17] <Carlin0> Nicola, io ti consiglio di tenerlo win ... poi fai come ti pare
[12:17] <Nicola> ciao non mi da fastidio
[12:17] <Nicola> anzi volevo installare ubuntu per il gaming
[12:17] <minix> Carlin0, in breve "Root privileges are required for running gparted.
[12:17] <minix> "
[12:17] <Nicola> e windows per 'editing ecc.. dato che ho già tutto installato su windows
[12:17] <Carlin0> linux non è molto adatto ai giochi ...
[12:18] <Nicola> anche per la leggerezza ,quello intendo die
[12:18] <Nicola> dire
[12:18] <Carlin0> minix, scrivi nel terminale → gksudo gparted
[12:18] <Nicola> ultima domanda ,se non voglio linux più posso eliminarlo ?
[12:19] <Nicola> senza danneggiare il boot ?
[12:19] <Carlin0> Nicola, hai uefi?
[12:19] <Nicola> si
[12:20] <Carlin0> non saprei ... mai usato uefi eliminarlo puoi di sicuro ma non so cosa accada col coot
[12:20] <Carlin0> boot
[12:20] <minix> Carlin0, grazie ! in effetti vorrei formattare un disco esterno in msdos e farne una partizione unica in FAT32
[12:21] <Carlin0> minix, disco esterno per cosa ?
[12:21] <Carlin0> minix, se devi usarlo anche per win formatta NTFS
[12:21] <minix> Carlin0, per mac/windows
[12:23] <Nicola> Carlin0,si ho UEFI
[12:23] <Carlin0> minix, mac non so ma per win meglio NTFS , fat32 è filesystem molto vecchio non supporta file oltre i 4 gb e si usa solo per le chiavette ormai
[12:24] <Carlin0> Nicola, leggi sopra ↑
[12:24] <minix> Carlin0, grazie ancora..cosa pensi di exFAT. ma ho bisogno che il disco duro sia da backup per mac
[12:25] <Carlin0> minix, mai usato mac mi spiace ... informati altrove dove lo usano
[12:26] <minix> Carlin0, io non lo uso, è per la mia compagna. puoi aiutarmi con gparted: non vedo il disco duro esterno e ho paura di fare danni sul mio laptop
[12:26] <Carlin0> !chat minix
[12:26] <ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'chat minix'
[12:26] <Carlin0> !chat | minix
[12:26] <ubot-it> minix: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[12:27] <minix> Carlin0, @ubot-it grazie a tutti
[12:40] <ale123> Ciao a tutti, ho seguito questa guida (http://www.lffl.org/2013/10/suggerimenti-ubuntu-1310-saucy-linux.html) trovata qui (http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=568169) per risolvere il Num Lock all'avvio, e al riavvio il pc si pianta sul logo di Xubuntu e non si muove più. Chi mi aiuta per favore?
[12:40] <krabador> ale123, ok che era segnalata in un topic del forum
[12:40] <krabador> ma la guida è non ufficiale
[12:40] <krabador> e per una versione non solo vecchia , ma non supportata, del sistema
[12:40] <krabador> ale123, puoi chiedere all'autore della guida, se ti aiuta
[12:41] <ale123> pensavo che fosse attendibile visto che era citata nel forum
[12:41] <krabador> ale123, il forum non è il wiki
[12:41] <krabador> se qualcuno scrive una cavolata nel forum, non è verbo
[12:42] <gino> Un saluto a tutti e un aiuto per favore : questo è quanto mi è venuto fuori provando a installare lubuntu su un pc DELL INSPIRON 9200:pae disabled use parameter forcepae to enable at your own risk.
[12:42] <gino> this kernel requires the following features not present on the cpu pae unable to boot please use a kernel appropriate for your cpu.
[12:42] <Carlin0> ma non glielo avevamo detto solo ieri ?
[12:42] <krabador> Carlin0, a chi dei 2 ^
[12:42] <Carlin0> a ale123
[12:42] <Carlin0> !forcepae | gino
[12:42] <ubot-it> gino: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/FakePAE
[12:42] <ale123> Carlin0 è proprio seguendo il vostro consiglio che sono andato sul forum... non pensavo ci fossero citazioni non attendibili
[12:43] <ale123> cmq un po' alla volta imparo. Ora qualche dritta per sistemare, per favore?
[12:43] <ExPBoy> ale123, dacci il nick di quello che ti ha consigliato
[12:43] <krabador> ale123, la guida menziona 13.10 , non è piu' supportata, e da ottobre 2013 di cose ne sono cambiate
[12:43] <krabador> !ripristino | ale123
[12:43] <ubot-it> ale123: Per ripristinare un sistema danneggiato: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione
[12:44] <krabador> ale123, se hai problemi, chiedi
[12:44] <gino> grazie
[12:44] <krabador> "<ale123> cmq un po' alla volta imparo. Ora qualche dritta per sistemare, per favore?" un po' meno pretese, per favore
[12:44] <damiano> ho provato la versione a 32 bit ma non parte nemmeno Expboy
[12:44] <ale123> Davvero non è possibile con la live entrare nel terminale e annullare ciò che può esserci di sbagliato?
[12:44] <ExPBoy> damiano, allora potrebbe esserci la iso daneggiata
[12:45] <krabador> ale123, segui la guida.
[12:45] <krabador> !md5 | damiano
[12:45] <ubot-it> damiano: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum | md5: http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/MD5SUMS
[12:45] <ExPBoy> damiano, oppure qualcosa sul tuo poc
[12:45] <damiano> cosa devo fare?
[12:46] <ExPBoy> damiano, controlla l'iso come dalla guida che ti è stata linkata
[12:46] <krabador> damiano, controllare l'md5 della iso
[12:46] <damiano> ok
[12:50] <ale123> eviterei di ripristinare tutto, per favore. Siccome il file che ho modificato è questo: sudo gedit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf aggiungendo questo: greeter-setup-script=/usr/bin/numlockx on, non è possibile entrare con la live nel terminale e cancellare la modifica? Potete seguirmi in questo, per favore?
[12:51] <krabador> ale123, non sei tu che detti condizioni
[12:51] <krabador> nel momento in cui prendi decisioni avventate
[12:51] <ExPBoy> ale123, ma se sai come ovviare al tuo errore che vuoi da noi?
[12:53] <ale123> Krabador, 1) io non detto condizioni, mi rivolgo all'assistenza chiedendo gentilmente un favore; 2) chiedo che mi seguiate - se potete e volete - ad entrare nel terminale del sistema tramite la live perchè non lo so fare
[12:53] <krabador> ale123, beh, se non ti rendi conto che "eviterei di ripristinare tutto, per favore"
[12:53] <krabador> non è una condizione... forse è il caso di studiare l'italiano
[12:55] <krabador> ale123, avvii, seconda scelta dall'alto di grub, recovery, selezioni root al menu, nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf , togli quello che hai messi, ctrl x salvi riavvii
[12:55] <krabador> in bocca al lupo
[12:56] <damiano> scusate la iso è la cartella isolinux giusto
[12:56] <krabador> no
[12:56] <krabador> il file che hai scaricato dal sito
[12:56] <ExPBoy> :(
[12:56] <krabador> damiano, te lo dice anche la guida linkata
[13:00] <ale123> krabador, intanto grazie. Ho fatto tutto e ho salvato con ctrl O. Ma ora mi srive "Nome del file in cui salvare" e mi da delle opzioni (accoda, scrivi in testa, le altre mi pare non servano) e mi propone come comandi "M-A" ma non li capisco: che devo digitare sulla tastiera?
[13:01] <krabador> ale123, spiegami solo una cosa
[13:01] <ExPBoy> ehm
[13:01] <krabador> che chiedi a fare , se fai poi di testa tua?
[13:02] <ale123> hai ragione, ho visto ora che avevi detto ctrl x... sono un po' nervosetto e distratto. Ora che faccio? Ctrl C per annullare e rifaccio da capo?
[13:03] <krabador> rifà da capo, ed entra in assistenza post camomilla, e un po' di fosforo .
[13:03] <ale123> ok, ma quindi ora annullo con ctrl c?
[13:05] <krabador> non so se mi conviene rispondere, visto che non leggeresti
[13:05] <ale123> krabador, come faccio a rifare da capo trovandomi in questa videata? Come ci esco?
[13:07] <gigirock> ale123, premi un po di ESC dai un po' di inventiva
[13:10] <ale123> Io dovrò anche farmi di camomilla, ma voi un po' di gentilezza potreste pure farvela mettere direttamente in vena....
[13:11] <ale123> non è che tutti quelli che si rivolgono a voi siano necessariamente degli esperti, sapete!
[13:11] <krabador> ale123, ma hanno la decenza di leggere
[13:11] <krabador> non di supporre maldestramente
[13:11] <krabador> !chat | ale123
[13:11] <ubot-it> ale123: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[13:12] <ale123> sorvolo, visto il richiamo...
[13:12] <krabador> ale123, non è che ci concedi qualcosa
[13:12] <krabador> entra in #ubuntu-it-ops, per controversie.
[13:14] <ale123> morale: ho annullato tutto con ctrl C, ho rifatto da capo dando ctrl x ma è riapparsa la medesima videata di prima: "Nome del file in cui salvare: /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. e mi da delle opzioni: guida, annulla, formato dos, formato mac, accoda, scrivi in testa, file di backup. Accanto ad ognuna da dei comandi, ma non capisco come digitarli sulla
[13:14] <ale123> tastiera, nè so quale scegliere. Che devo fare?
[13:15] <krabador> e tu, premere invio, in modo da salvare sullo stesso file, non lo sai fareP
[13:15] <krabador> ?
[13:16] <ale123> premuto invio: errore durante la scrittura di /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf: file system in sol (poi non si legge altro)
[13:17] <krabador> allora, esci
[13:17] <gigirock> ale123, in sola lettura....
[13:17] <gigirock> oppure e' in chiave di violino
[13:17] <krabador> mount -o remount,rw /
[13:17] <krabador> e rifà tutto
[13:17] <krabador> root a secco, da recovery, è sola lettura
[13:19] <ale123> ho digitato, rifatto tutto, dato ctrl x, salvato con s, e dato invio alla domanda di cui sopra... e mi ha risposto di nuovo errore durante la scrittura ecc
[13:20] <ExPBoy> !troll | ale123
[13:20] <ubot-it> ale123: Trollare è un comportamento considerato fastidioso dagli altri utenti del canale. Questo include andare offtopic o chiedere la stessa cosa piu volte ottenendo risposte ma non considerarle, e questi non sono i soli comportamenti che possono essere considerati da troll. Per favore leggi /msg ubot-it irc - se questo riguarda te, potresti ritrovarti fuori dal canale.
[13:20] <krabador> se hai digitato bene l'ultima linea
[13:20] <krabador> non puo' darti errore in scrittura
[13:20] <krabador> root da recovery, non ha bisogno di sudo per i comandi
[13:22] <ale123> risolto, avevo preso la o per uno 0
[13:23] <ale123> ora riavvio e spero funga... un attimo e ti dico
[13:23] <krabador> accendi il cervello
[13:23] <ale123> funge. Grazie mille
[13:59] <akis24> -Dc
[13:59] <Guest51089> ciao a tutti...e possibile da versione live creare una sorta di immagine di sistema per non perdere quanto installato e non dovere sempre reinstallare all'ingresso successivo in live??
[14:00] <ExPBoy> eh?
[14:00] <akis24> Guest51089: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/BackupDelSistema
[14:01] <Guest51089> allora, sono in live e ho installato alcuni programmi...non vorrei riscaricarli ogni volta all'avvio in live quindi chiedevo se era possibile mantenerli
[14:01] <ExPBoy> si ma una volta installato mica devi rientrare con la live
[14:01] <gigirock> Guest51089, c'e' l'opzione persistente....
[14:02] <Guest51089> si, ma non voglio installarlo lol
[14:02] <gigirock> Guest51089, e allore reinstalli ogni volta...
[14:03] <Guest51089> una guida per creare usb persistente?
[14:04] <akis24> Guest51089: http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?t=507536
[14:11] <wuolfit> ciao a tutti
[14:11] <akis24> !ciao | wuolfit
[14:11] <ubot-it> wuolfit: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it
[14:11] <wuolfit> per caso esiste un canale per il linguaggio c in italiano ?
[14:11] <wuolfit> ciao akis24
[14:12] <akis24> wuolfit: ti sembra argomento per il canale di supporto a ubuntu ?? entra qui /j #ubuntu-it-chat magari avrai la risposta se qualcuno sa'
[14:13] <wuolfit> ok grazie
[15:00] <alfredo85> ciao a tutti
[15:01] <krabador> !ciao | Alexandro
[15:01] <ubot-it> Alexandro: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it
[15:01] <krabador> !ciao | alfredo85
[15:01] <ubot-it> alfredo85: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it
[15:01] <alfredo85> avrei bisogno di un consiglio per favore...quale distro consigliate per un notebook datato 1,6 ghz 512 ram?
[15:02] <alfredo85> ho gia provato lubuntu ma non gira
[15:02] <krabador> lubuntu, e ormai ci sta stretta
[15:02] <krabador> "non gira"
[15:02] <krabador> quale lubuntu hai provato
[15:02] <alfredo85> 14.4
[15:02] <krabador> che che problema da , all'avvio?
[15:02] <alfredo85> esatto
[15:03] <krabador> non mi hai risposto
[15:03] <alfredo85> da dolo la possibilità di sceglere la live o altro e poi sta infinitamente a caricare il tutto
[15:04] <krabador> alfredo85, allora, al menu che appare subito al boot, scegli la lingua con f2, poi premi f6 , selezioni nomodeset, al che selezioni la prima opzione in alto
[15:04] <krabador> "prova lubuntu senza installare"
[15:04] <alfredo85> ok..grazie mille..seguirò quanto mi hai detto
[15:04] <krabador> alfredo85, in ogni caso, i processori non sono come i motori delle auto
[15:04] <krabador> alfredo85, 1,6ghz non significa nulla
[15:04] <alfredo85> vero :)
[15:05] <krabador> marca e modello preciso, per favore
[15:05] <krabador> e scheda video
[15:05] <krabador> sempre marca e modello preciso
[15:05] <alfredo85> travelmate 630
[15:05] <krabador> sbagliato
[15:05] <krabador> il processore
[15:05] <alfredo85> ndivia ge force?
[15:05] <krabador> alfredo85, sicuro di sentirti bene?
[15:06] <alfredo85> certo scusami se le mie risposte non sono precise
[15:06] <krabador> alfredo85, il processore, marca e modello, scheda video , marca e modello preciso (geforce è una serie)
[15:06] <krabador> alfredo85, per avere risposte precise da questo canale, vanno fornite informazioni precise
[15:06] <krabador> molto semplicemente.
[15:07] <alfredo85> ok aspetta per favore
[15:10] <alfredo85> acer travelmate 632lc;pentium4 1.6 ghz: 512 ram ;30giga ata/100 hdd..sulla scheda ricordo solo ndiviage force ma null'altro
[15:11] <krabador> prova quanto detto prima
[15:11] <alfredo85> purtroppo adessa non riesco a controllare esattamente il modello della scheda video
[15:11] <alfredo85> ok Krabador
[15:12] <alfredo85> grazie mille
[15:12] <alfredo85> a presto
[15:23] <dario__> salve ragazzi ho un problema devo togliere dei kernel perchè non più spazio per fare aggiornamento kernel ce è rimasto sospeso
[15:23] <krabador> dario__, apri il terminale
[15:23] <dario__> com faccio quando do sudo apt-get purge linux-image... ecc.. non mi lascia perchè prima deve configurare l'aktro
[15:23] <krabador> dario__, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[15:23] <dario__> krabador, fatto
[15:24] <krabador> dario__, dpkg -l | grep linux | pastebinit
[15:24] <krabador> questo fa un link, incollalo qui
[15:25] <krabador> df -h | pastebinit
[15:25] <krabador> stessa cosa
[15:25] <krabador> sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[15:25] <krabador> sempre stessa cosa
[15:25] <dario__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13493145/
[15:26] <dario__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13493148/
[15:27] <dario__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13493154/
[15:27] <krabador> dario__, hai "9,1G" di /
[15:27] <krabador> ma bravo
[15:27] <krabador> veramente "Animale"
[15:29] <dario__> krabador, be dai non sono pochi
[15:29] <krabador> dario__, ma smettila
[15:29] <krabador> dario__, sudo apt-get clean
[15:30] <dario__> pensi che bastaù
[15:30] <Nicola2> ciao volevo chiedere se c'è un modo per installare ftb sp su ubuntu
[15:30] <krabador> danielik, sudo apt-get update | pastebinit
[15:30] <krabador> Nicola2, un client ?
[15:30] <Nicola2> si
[15:30] <krabador> Nicola2, cerca nel software center
[15:30] <krabador> ftp client
[15:30] <krabador> e scegliti quello che ti piace di piu'
[15:31] <Nicola2> ok ma sono premium o
[15:31] <Nicola2> sp?
[15:31] <krabador> sp?
[15:31] <krabador> Nicola2, che cosa stai dicendo?
[15:31] <Carlin0> !info filezilla | Nicola2
[15:31] <krabador> Carlin0, let cows learn
[15:32] <ubot-it> Nicola2: filezilla (source: filezilla): Full-featured graphical FTP/FTPS/SFTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.12.0.2-1ubuntu2 (wily), package size 1491 kB, installed size 4984 kB
[15:32] <Carlin0> mazza che lento il bottolo
[15:32] <Nicola2> forse non mi sono spiegato bene
[15:32] <krabador> già
[15:32] <krabador> il che è un prerequisito ufficiale, per chiedere supporto
[15:32] <Nicola2> intendo FTB Feed the Beast minecraft il gioco
[15:33] <krabador> aaaah
[15:33] <krabador> ma allora
[15:33] <krabador> !chat | Nicola2
[15:33] <ubot-it> Nicola2: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[15:33] <Nicola2> ok
[15:34] <Nicola2> a chi posso chiedere di voi in chat ?
[15:34] <krabador> Nicola2, non accetto privati, sono disabilitati
[15:35] <krabador> entra nel canale segnalato, col comando segnalato dal bot
[15:35] <Nicola2> ok
[16:07] <Luke99St3pNy> Vorrei ricevere supporto su quale derivata scegliere per il mio Packard Bell EasyNote MX37
[16:07] <Carlin0> Luke99St3pNy, che cpu ? quanta ram e che scheda video ha
[16:08] <Carlin0> tutuchiara
[16:08] <Carlin0> Tutuchaira (5d2cf837@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.93.44.248.55) è entrato
[16:08] <krabador> e voi a dire secondo me è una donna
[16:08] <krabador> secondo me è una donna
[16:08] <krabador> credete pure alle prime puttanate che perditempo come lui affermano.
[16:08] <Carlin0> pensi che basti cambiare nick ?
[16:09] <Luke99St3pNy> 1gb di ram non so altro... sorry
[16:09] <Carlin0> torna quando lo sai
[16:09] <krabador> Luke99St3pNy, chiedi a Tutuchaira
[16:09] <Luke99St3pNy> cosa?
[16:14] <damiano> ragazzi sapete dirmi perchè le versioni recenti da me non funzionano mentre la 12.04 sembra di si
[16:15] <Carlin0> damiano, versioni di cosa ?
[16:15] <damiano> di ubuntu
[16:15] <damiano> ho provato la 15.10 sia 32 che 64 bit ma si blocca
[16:15] <Carlin0> che cpu hai e quanta ram
[16:15] <krabador> damiano, entri senza indicare niente
[16:16] <damiano> pentium dual core 2 gb
[16:16] <krabador> puoi spiegare come si possa fare a darti una risposta?
[16:16] <damiano> scusate
[16:16] <krabador> damiano, "ma si blocca"
[16:16] <krabador> dove
[16:16] <krabador> come
[16:16] <damiano> si apre la pagina iniziale e dopo un paio di minuti si ferma e devo spegnere
[16:17] <Carlin0> damiano, il pentium forse è un po scarso per ubuntu prova una derivata + leggera come xubuntu o lubuntu
[16:17] <krabador> "pagina iniziale"
[16:17] <krabador> del supporto di installazione , o del sistema operativo?
[16:17] <damiano> del sistema operativo
[16:17] <sbasso> mi sa che intende il login
[16:18] <krabador> damiano, seleziona nomodeset
[16:18] <krabador> e prova
[16:18] <krabador> damiano, lo fai , premendo il tasto e, in corrispondenza della prima opzione di grub in avvio
[16:18] <krabador> cancelli quiet splash, scrivi nomodeset
[16:18] <krabador> premi f10
[16:18] <krabador> provi
[16:19] <damiano> una curiosità la versione di prova dovrebbe funzionare uguale a come se fosse installato o ha dei limiti
[16:19] <krabador> tutto quello che il kernel della versione di prova supporta, viene supportato
[16:20] <krabador> se hai qualcosa che necessita di un'installazione manuale, in sessione di prova non puoi usarla
[16:20] <krabador> per il resto è completa
[16:20] <krabador> col limite che ovviamente non tiene salvataggi, installazioni , eccetera
[16:20] <damiano> scusa ma non ho capito la prova che devo fare.....non sono molto pratico
[16:21] <krabador> damiano, facci capire
[16:21] <krabador> se questo benedetto sistema
[16:21] <krabador> è stato mai installato +
[16:21] <krabador> in questo pc
[16:21] <krabador> o stai parlando solo di sessioni di proba
[16:21] <damiano> no mai è la prima volta
[16:21] <krabador> prova
[16:21] <krabador> allora NON è installato?
[16:21] <damiano> no
[16:21] <krabador> damiano, potevi aspettare un'altra mezz'oretta
[16:22] <krabador> prima di dirlo
[16:22] <krabador> damiano, di che ubuntu hai pendrive o dvd?
[16:22] <damiano> dvd
[16:22] <krabador> damiano, allora, lo fai partire
[16:22] <damiano> si
[16:23] <krabador> damiano, http://i.stack.imgur.com/GtEi5.png hai questa ?
[16:23] <krabador> in avvio del dvd?
[16:23] <damiano> esatto
[16:23] <krabador> allora, fai partire, in quel punto ti metti a premere un pulsante
[16:23] <krabador> tipo il tasto freccia
[16:23] <krabador> ed avrai il menu tradizionale
[16:24] <damiano> ok
[16:24] <krabador> premi f2 selezioni la lingua
[16:24] <damiano> ok
[16:24] <krabador> premi f6 selezioni nonmodeset
[16:24] <damiano> ok
[16:24] <krabador> selezioni la prima voce in alto
[16:24] <krabador> "prova ubuntu senza installare"
[16:24] <krabador> e vedi cosa fa
[16:24] <damiano> ok
[16:25] <damiano> ora provo
[16:41] <damiano> ho fatto come mi hai spiegato b00k3r ti sto scrivendo con ubunto 15.10
[16:43] <damiano> però prima che mi aprisse il sistema operativo mi dava un errore
[16:45] <damiano> con la modalità di prova posso vedere se gli hardware funzionano
[17:00] <giuseppe_> salveeee
[17:00] <gigirock> Bella giuseppe_
[17:01] <giuseppe_> Mi sto sfracellando le palle, che si dice qui?
[17:01] <gigirock> giuseppe_: che per far 4 chiacchiere devi andare a chat
[17:01] <gigirock> !chat
[17:01] <ubot-it> per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[17:02] <giuseppe_> Questa è una chat di supporto quindi?
[17:02] <gigirock> Si
[17:02] <giuseppe_> scusate l'ignoranza
[17:03] <giuseppe_> intesi... scusate
[17:29] <Anina> Salve,
[17:30] <Mr_Pan> !ciao ! Anina
[17:30] <ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'ciao ! Anina'
[17:30] <Anina> Mentre stavo accendendo il pc con ubuntu, è saltata la corrente
[17:30] <Mr_Pan> !ciao | Anina
[17:30] <ubot-it> Anina: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it
[17:31] <Anina> Ho provato a riaccenderlo e mi si è aperta una schermata con scritto GNU GRUB versione 2.0
[17:32] <Anina> E una serie di opzioni per accedere o con ubuntu o fare un controllo della memoria
[17:32] <Anina> Ho provato con tutte ma finisce sempre col riportarmi ad una schermata nera con una serie di codici che per me sono arabo
[17:33] <akis24> Anina: di che pc si parla caratteristiche ?
[17:34] <Anina> Acer Aspire 6963
[17:34] <akis24> Anina: versione di ubuntu ? che hai scaricato ?
[17:34] <Anina> Ho installato ubuntu domenica pomeriggio e ieri era perfetto
[17:34] <Anina> Versione 15.10
[17:34] <Anina> 32 bit
[17:35] <Anina> Ieri funzionava perfettamente
[17:35] <akis24> Anina: avvia in recovery mode e usa l'opzione per il controllo e riparazione del sistema e vedi se riesce ad arrivare alla fine
[17:35] <Anina> Provo
[17:37] <Anina> Mi ha riaperto la schermata nera. Quale sarebbe l'opzione per il controllo e riparazione?
[17:38] <akis24> Anina: probabile che non ci arrivi .. si è danneggiato il sistema
[17:38] <Anina> Quindi?
[17:38] <akis24> Anina: posta uno screen o foto dell'errore almeno cerchiamo di capire
[17:38] <akis24> !paste | Anina
[17:38] <ubot-it> Anina: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[17:39] <akis24> !image | Anina
[17:39] <ubot-it> Anina: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[17:45] <akis24> Anina: scrivi in canale
[17:46] <akis24> bene
[17:56] <Anina> Mentre il pc con ubuntu installato si riavviava, ho spento il computer perché non si stava spengendo, quindi come per windows ho premuto il tasto di arresto forzato. Dopo purtroppo mi si è aperta una schermata con scritto Gnu Grub versione 2.0
[17:56] <akis24> !grub | Anina
[17:56] <ubot-it> Anina: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino
[17:58] <akis24> Anina: segui la procedura di ripristino oppure avvia la live se la tieni ancora e facciamo qualche prova
[17:58] <akis24> Anina: tra le altre cose ancora non sappiamo questo messaggio di errore .. visto che non segui quanto ti viene indicato
[18:01] <Anina> Non posso mandare schermate con foto perché sono collegata col tablet e non ha abbastanza memoria. In più non ho alcuna conoscenza di questo sistema operativo né abbastanza competenze per poter ssguire le vostre istruzioni troppo tecniche per me. Vi ringrazio per la
[18:02] <Anina> Pazienza
[18:02] <Anina> Farò risolvere il problema a qualcuno che sa come intervenire
[18:02] <akis24> Anina: ma il disco live lo hai oppure no ?
[18:03] <cristian_c> Anina: se non ci fornisci informazioni precise
[18:03] <cristian_c> beh, come dire...
[18:03] <Anina> Non ho il disco
[18:03] <LucaBD7> Buona sera a tutti, posso chiedere aiuto qui per l'installazione di una nuova stampante?
[18:03] <akis24> Anina: auguri .. fatti aiutare
[18:03] <Anina> Esatto
[18:03] <Anina> Buona serata
[18:03] <akis24> anche a te
[18:04] <LucaBD7> ?
[18:04] <akis24> LucaBD7: installazione stampante su che sistema ?
[18:05] <akis24> LucaBD7: modello esatto stampante ?
[18:05] <LucaBD7> Allora dovrei installare una Epson EPL-5900L su xubuntu 9.10 . Ho letto su internet varie guide ma nessuna riesce a risolvere il mio problema..Ossia, riesco a installarla, ma non arriva l'input alla stampante di stampare
[18:06] <akis24> LucaBD7: xubuntu 9.10 ??? fuori supporto da molto tempo
[18:06] <LucaBD7> Eh lo so... Può essere quello il problema?
[18:07] <akis24> LucaBD7: molto probabile visto che la tua versione non puo' aggiornare nulla ormai
[18:07] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: aggiorna a release attualmente supportate
[18:07] <akis24> LucaBD7: siamo alla 15.10 ormai
[18:07] <cristian_c> non celebrando quelle di dieci anni fa
[18:07] <LucaBD7> Ok, allora installerò la nuova versione :) Speriamo che funzioni :D
[18:07] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: provala in live
[18:07] <akis24> LucaBD7: casomai entri qui e chiedi
[18:08] <LucaBD7> Ho trovato il CD per caso e pensavo si potesse aggiornare ;)
[18:08] <akis24> !derivate | LucaBD7
[18:08] <ubot-it> LucaBD7: http://www.ubuntu-it.org/derivate | Download derivate: http://www.ubuntu-it.org/download/derivate
[18:08] <LucaBD7> Akis, la installo su macchina virtuale
[18:08] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: c'è l'opzione di aggiornamento, se la tua è ancora supportata
[18:09] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: altrimenti , vai di nuova installazione, installando qualcosa di lontanamente più attuale
[18:09] <LucaBD7> Cristian, quando provo ad installare i 400 aggiornamenti mi dice che il rilascio di ubuntu in uso non è più supportato
[18:09] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: leggi sopra
[18:09] <akis24> eheh appunto come ti si diceva LucaBD7
[18:09] <cristian_c> che ho scritto esattamente quello
[18:09] <LucaBD7> Ok provo a mettere l'ultima release :) Grazie mille
[18:10] <akis24> di nulla
[18:10] <LucaBD7> Su macchina virtuale che versione di ubuntu consigliate?
[18:11] <akis24> LucaBD7: a scelta la versione 14.04 lts supporto fino al 2019 oppure la 15.1o nuova release supporto nove mesi scegli ..
[18:11] <akis24> 15.10
[18:11] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: che pc hai?
[18:11] <cristian_c> tanto per capire
[18:12] <LucaBD7> Ho un PC assemblato con un AMD x2 260 3,20 GHz con 8 GB di RAM DDR3
[18:12] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: e non è assolutamente scontato che tu possa avere meno problemi in macchina virtuale
[18:12] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: su 15.10 non installare i driver proprietari amd
[18:13] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: m lascia utilizzare i driver open radeon
[18:13] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: a causa di un bug sulla 15.10
[18:13] <cristian_c> almeno finché non risolveranno il problema
[18:13] <LucaBD7> Ok allora non toccherò nulla :)
[18:13] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: questo se hai una gpu amd, naturalmente
[18:13] <LucaBD7> Si ho una GPU AMD
[18:14] <cristian_c> bene
[18:14] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: dalla 9.10 di acqua sotto i ponti ne è passato
[18:14] <cristian_c> a
[18:14] <cristian_c> per quanto riguarda i driver open ams
[18:14] <cristian_c> amd
[18:15] <cristian_c> LucaBD7: che negli ultimi kernel hanno raggiunto un livello di performance abbastanza soddifacente e in linea con i driver ufficiali di zmx
[18:15] <cristian_c> amd
[18:16] <LucaBD> Scusate , sono uscito per errore
[18:17] <sciudeletti> ciao a tutti un mio amico ha un problema,ha installato ubuntu 15.10 e ora non riesce a installare google chrome e quando riavvia il pc gli torna lo sfondo predefinito.
[18:18] <cristian_c> sciudeletti: non puoi far entrare direttamente il tuo amico qui?
[18:18] <sciudeletti> ok
[18:19] <cristian_c> bene
[18:22] <sciudeletti> eccolo
[18:23] <cristian_c> sciudeletti: ok, vediamo
[18:23] <cristian_c> Scude: come hai installato google chrome? L'hai scaricato dal sito?
[18:26] <Scude> salve, ho riscontrato due problemi, il primo è che quando cambio lo sfondo del desktop all'inizio sembra funzionare, ma quando vado a riavviare/accendere il pc ritorna lo sfondo di default
[18:28] <Scude> il secondo riguarda il browser: non riesco ad installare google chrome, ho provato ad utilizzare chromium ma dopo qualche minuto di utilizzo si bloccava
[18:30] <cristian_c> Scude: per caso, puoi dire anche quale ubuntu stai utilizzando e su quale pc l'hai installato?
[18:32] <sciudeletti> 15.10 rispondo momentaneamente per lui
[18:32] <cristian_c> Scude: puoi parlare liberamente in canale, che non succede niente
[18:34] <sciudeletti> si lo sa,è che è andato un attimo a mangiare
[18:34] <cristian_c> bene, aspettiamo
[18:34] <cristian_c> visto che l'interessato è lui
[18:35] <sciudeletti> ok grazie penso che tra poco arrivi
[18:45] <Scude> eccomi
[18:46] <Scude> 15.10 su hp pavilion g6
[18:47] <cristian_c> Scude: sai anche quale cpu abbia e quale scheda grafica utilizzi?
[18:48] <Scude> sinceramente di pc non ne capisco nulla, è possibile che siano scritte da qualche parte nelle impostazioni?
[18:49] <cristian_c> Scude: assolutamente sì
[18:49] <cristian_c> Scude: sei in ubuntu ora?
[18:49] <niconico> http://pastebin.com/jEe287Nh
[18:49] <cristian_c> niconico: oh, ciao, eh
[18:49] <niconico> cristian_c: che significa questo?
[18:49] <Scude> si, windows l'ho proprio eliminato
[18:49] <anto> ciao
[18:49] <niconico> ciaoooo, cristian_c
[18:50] <cristian_c> niconico: si suppone che un utente che entra nel canale sia in grado di descrivere almeno il problema
[18:51] <cristian_c> Scude: male, personalmente avrei consigliato un dual boot, se non altro per fare esperienza
[18:51] <cristian_c> Scude: premi ctrl+alt+t
[18:51] <niconico> cristian_c: lo sai che stavo cercando di compilarmi il real time, cmq il problema è quello che ti ho postato, non mi va la patch
[18:51] <anto> ragazzi vorrei chiedervi se anche a voi la versione 15.10 è lentissima nello startup
[18:51] <cristian_c> niconico: qui non si suppongono cose
[18:52] <anto> sono ritornato alla 15.04 per tale motivo
[18:52] <Scude> ho provato con dual boot ma ad ogni accensione andava su windows e dovevo andare nella bios a mette ubuntu
[18:52] <Scude> mettere*
[18:53] <niconico> niconico: si suppone che un utente che entra nel canale sia in grado di descrivere almeno il problema
[18:53] <niconico> si suppone o no?
[18:53] <niconico> :P
[18:53] <cristian_c> niconico: ma si entra e si spiega al chan, e io non mi chiamo #ubuntu-it, il tipo di problema in modo che chi ha una risposta al quesito, possa aiutarti
[18:54] <niconico> cristian_c: scusami. Ma vedo che solo tu e krabador sanno rispondere nella maggior parte dei casi
[18:54] <cristian_c> niconico: spiegare in modo preciso il proprio problema è un prerequisito per ricevere supporto in canale
[18:54] <Scude> comunque la cpu è: intel core i7-3632QM
[18:54] <cristian_c> anto: invece che fare domande da milioni di dollari...
[18:55] <cristian_c> Scude: bene
[18:55] <niconico> cristian_c: ricevuto
[18:55] <Scude> scheda grafica integrata
[18:55] <cristian_c> Scude: descrivi versione e numero do versione di ubuntu
[18:55] <cristian_c> Scude: scusa, era per anto
[18:56] <anto> ah
[18:56] <cristian_c> anto: descrivi versione e numero di versione di ubuntu
[18:56] <anto> la domanda è semplice, attende un si o un no :-)
[18:56] <anto> versione 15.10 già detto
[18:56] <cristian_c> anto: e caratteristiche principali del pc
[18:56] <anto> i3
[18:56] <anto> ma anche un i5 ha fatto lo stesso
[18:57] <cristian_c> Scude: questo perché hai un pc con bios uefi
[18:57] <cristian_c> Scude: credo tu debba ripristinare grub, in modo predefinito
[18:58] <cristian_c> Scude: il grub in pratica ti mostra un menù di scelta tramite il quale scegliere quale sistema operativo presente su disco avviare
[18:58] <cristian_c> all'accensione del pc
[18:59] <cristian_c> niconico: con tutto il rispetto
[18:59] <cristian_c> niconico: ma compilare e applicare patch al kernel real time, non sono argomenti di questo canals
[19:00] <cristian_c> niconico: argomenti che puoi affrontare benissimo , ma non qui
[19:00] <cristian_c> !chat | niconico
[19:00] <ubot-it> niconico: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[19:00] <niconico> cristian_c: si grazie cristian :)
[19:01] <niconico> cristian_c: solo che nella chat libera non so quante offese ne escono alla fine
[19:01] <cristian_c> anto: le prestazioni di ubuntu possono dipendere da una miriade di fattori, in primis l'hardware utilizzato
[19:01] <cristian_c> anto: non c'è una risposta univoca alla tua domanda
[19:01] <cristian_c> perlomeno se non fornisci informazioni adeguate
[19:01] <cristian_c> niconico: ma tu sei grande, giusto?
[19:02] <cristian_c> niconico: su su
[19:02] <Scude> ok mi informerò, grazie mille. non è che sai come installare google chrome?
[19:02] <krabador> sudo dpkg -i pacchettochrome.deb
[19:02] <cristian_c> Scude: se ho capito bene, l'hai già installato ma si blocca
[19:02] <anto> cristian sono d'accordo con te, la cosa strana è che su due pc appena fatto l'upgrade
[19:02] <niconico> ?
[19:02] <anto> hanno ridotto la performance iniziale di almeno un minuto o poco piu
[19:03] <Scude> no, avevo installato chromium
[19:03] <anto> anche dopo installazione pulita senza upgrade
[19:03] <Scude> che è tipo la replica
[19:03] <krabador> anto, su che pc, che versione di ubuntu
[19:03] <krabador> Scude, non è una replica
[19:04] <anto> krabador: i3 versione 15.10, sono tornato alla 15.04 che è un fulmine all'accensione
[19:04] <anto> entrambi i pc con ssd alta performance
[19:04] <krabador> anto, cambia il kernel ,ed il modo di gestire i servizi
[19:04] <krabador> anto, ssd "alta performance"
[19:04] <krabador> hai gpt o mbr in ssd?
[19:04] <anto> mbr
[19:05] <krabador> anto, con grub che gestisce multiboot?
[19:05] <anto> si
[19:05] <krabador> quanti sistemi ?
[19:06] <anto> uso winsoz per soli due software ma devo ancora tenerlo
[19:06] <krabador> anto, ubuntu in ext4 con journaling ?
[19:07] <anto> yes
[19:07] <krabador> italiano , per favore
[19:07] <krabador> non sei mio fratello, non posso leggerti nel pensiero
[19:07] <anto> si :-)
[19:07] <anto> hai ragione
[19:08] <Scude> scrivendo sudo dpkg -i pacchettochrome.deb mi dice errore
[19:08] <krabador> perchè Scude , come dire... come si chiama il pacchetto di chrome che hai scaricato dal sito?
[19:09] <anto> dimenticavo, si tratta della distro Kubuntu
[19:09] <krabador> anto, dettaglio non da poco
[19:09] <anto> non ho provato la Ubuntu quindi non so se è lo stesso
[19:09] <krabador> anto, kubuntu 15.04/15.10 hanno uan marea di problemi per via della totale immaturità di kde5
[19:09] <krabador> anto, non è lo stesso
[19:09] <anto> ho pensato a un baco della nuova versione
[19:10] <anto> allora mi stai confermando il dubbio
[19:10] <anto> attenderò aggiornamenti allora e resto nella 15.04 :-)
[19:10] <krabador> anto, si dice in ingresso che sistema si usa
[19:10] <krabador> anto, diciamo che con kubuntu, puoi morire di fame attiualmente, nello sperare che diventi stabile
[19:10] <anto> vero :-|
[19:11] <krabador> cerca di evitare di fare l'affezionato dell'ambiente grafico , e prova un'altra derivata
[19:11] <anto> tipo?
[19:11] <krabador> !derivate | anto
[19:11] <ubot-it> anto: http://www.ubuntu-it.org/derivate | Download derivate: http://www.ubuntu-it.org/download/derivate
[19:11] <krabador> xubuntu lubuntu ubuntu-gnome ubuntu-mate
[19:12] <krabador> se proprio non ti piace ubuntu di bandiera, con unity
[19:12] <anto> cosa consiglieresti per un server locale ?
[19:12] <anto> lo uso come cloud
[19:12] <anto> solo su intranet
[19:13] <krabador> quanta ram hai?
[19:13] <anto> 6GB
[19:13] <anto> non ce ne vanno di più
[19:13] <krabador> per un server , per definizione, al di la dell'hardware a disposizione, il sistema è il piu' leggero possibile
[19:14] <anto> si
[19:14] <krabador> ubuntu server , non ha ambiente grafico, perchè chi gestisce un server non ne ha bisogno
[19:14] <anto> devo provarlo allora
[19:14] <krabador> il fatto che tu abbia di base scelto kubuntu, va a dimostrare che hai trascurato qualcosa di importante, nel calcolo
[19:15] <krabador> per fare poi , poche cose, non serve neanche doversi imbarcare nell'impresa di installare e manutenere ubuntu server
[19:15] <anto> si, la questione è che la macchina viene usata anche da un utente in contemporanea
[19:15] <krabador> puoi andare di xubuntu o lubuntu
[19:15] <anto> mi sa che dovrà essere isolato e metto su ubuntu server
[19:15] <krabador> che sono le piu' leggerein assoluto
[19:15] <krabador> in particolar modo lubuntu , che ha l'ambiente grafico mainstream piu' leggero , per linux
[19:16] <anto> devo fare prove allora
[19:16] <anto> e isolare la macchina solo come server
[19:16] <krabador> esatto, prova finquando non trovi il contesto piu' cogeniale
[19:16] <anto> ti ringrazio, sei stato utile :-)
[19:16] <krabador> di niente, torna a trovarci
[19:17] <anto> ;-)
[19:17] <anto> grazie
[19:17] <anto> a presto
[19:40] <Scude> chi ha installato google chrome su ubuntu 15.10?
[19:44] <neramarea> buonasera a tutti. come rimuovo i badge di orca e del selettore della lingua nellla schermata di accesso del lightdm?
[20:22] <LucaBD> Buona sera a tutti
[20:24] <LucaBD> Cristian_c ci sei?
[20:24] <cristian_c> LucaBD: non rivolgerti in particolare a qualcuno
[20:25] <cristian_c> !chi
[20:25] <LucaBD> Scusami... Volevo solamente dirti che ho messo Ubuntu 15.10, ho installato la stampante ma nulla, non stampa ugualmente...
[20:26] <cristian_c> LucaBD: hai installato ubuntu o hai provato in live?
[20:26] <LucaBD> Installato direttamente.
[20:26] <cristian_c> LucaBD: hai una vecchia epson, giusto?
[20:27] <LucaBD> Già, Epson EPL 5900L
[20:27] <cristian_c> LucaBD: spiega esattamente cos'hai fatto
[20:27] <cristian_c> dopo aver installato il sistema
[20:28] <LucaBD> Allora, sono andato su Impostazioni del sistema, successivamente su Stampanti, ho fatto clic su Aggiungi e mi ha rilevato la Epson. Successivamente mi ha consigliato di scegliere dei driver dalla lista, e ho scelto quelli per il mio modello. La stampante risulta installata ma non riceve l'input di stampa
[20:29] <cristian_c> LucaBD: ok, molto bene
[20:29] <cristian_c> LucaBD: che dice la coda di stampa?
[20:29] <cristian_c> !stampa
[20:30] <LucaBD> Quando mando il documento mi dice elaborazione in corso, successivamente si toglie dalla coda come se avesse stampato il documento
[20:32] <ioioio> salve, vorrei installare unity3d ma non ci riesco... come posso fare? grazie
[20:35] <cristian_c> LucaBD:
[20:35] <cristian_c> LucaBD: puoi postare una schermata delle proprietà della stampante?
[20:36] <cristian_c> ioioio: il motore grafico per lo sviluppo gaming?
[20:37] <cristian_c> LucaBD: è una stampante laser?
[20:37] <LucaBD> Si è una stampante laser
[20:38] <ubot-it> se stai parlando con qualcuno in particolare, per rendere più leggibile il canale ti consiglio di inserire il suo nickname in quello che dici (puoi usare il completamento premendo il tasto tab)
[20:38] <ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'stampa'
[20:38] <LucaBD> Rieccomi
[20:40] <michele993> come scrivo il cancelletto xD
[20:41] <LucaBD> Che schermata vuoi di preciso?
[20:41] <cristian_c> !chat | michele993
[20:41] <ubot-it> michele993: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[20:42] <cristian_c> LucaBD: dalla finestra stampanti fai clic destro sulla stampante e scegli proprietà
[20:43] <LucaBD> Dove la carico?
[20:44] <cristian_c> !image | LucaBD
[20:44] <ubot-it> LucaBD: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[20:45] <ioioio> nono il plugin
[20:47] <cristian_c> ioioio: per fare cosa?
[20:47] <ioioio> counter strike :D
[20:48] <cristian_c> ioioio: specifica meglio
[20:48] <cristian_c> ioioio: dove hai installato counterstrike?
[20:48] <ioioio> online
[20:48] <LucaBD> cristian_c eccolo: http://imgur.com/rsVRPd9
[20:48] <cristian_c> ok
[20:48] <cristian_c> lol, è uscito
[20:49] <michele993> ragazzi conoscete un canale di supporto al c++?
[20:49] <LucaBD> Spero si veda bene :D
[20:49] <cristian_c> LucaBD: eplaser è il driver della epl 5900
[20:50] <cristian_c> LucaBD: la 5900l usa il driver epsonepl
[20:50] <LucaBD> ? Non capisco.. io ho la Epson EPL-5900L
[20:50] <cristian_c> come scritto nel sito openprinting
[20:50] <cristian_c> The printers of Epson's EPL "L" series do not understand PCL 5e, PCL 6, or PostScript and so they do not work with standard drivers; they can only be driven through a proprietary language.
[20:51] <LucaBD> Quindi che posso fare? Non servono a niente i dischi dei driver per Win XP giusto?
[20:51] <cristian_c> LucaBD: allora
[20:51] <cristian_c> giustamente noto che hai ubuntu in virtualbox
[20:52] <Carlin0> LucaBD, hai abilitato le porte usb su vbox ?
[20:52] <cristian_c> LucaBD: c'è tutto un discorso riguardo il supporto a periferiche su virtualbox
[20:52] <LucaBD> Si si carlin0
[20:52] <cristian_c> che esula un po' dallo scopo di questo canale
[20:53] <cristian_c> LucaBD: la tua non è un'installazione nativa della stampante su un ubuntu reale
[20:53] <LucaBD> Capisco, allora nulla.. Vedrò di metterci su XP
[20:53] <cristian_c> LucaBD: cosa ti spinge a stampare su ubuntu in virtualbox?
[20:53] <cristian_c> è una cosa che non mi quadra
[20:54] <cristian_c> se fosse il sistema installato sulla macchina , lo capirei
[20:54] <cristian_c> ma farlo in virtuale, non ha molto senso
[20:54] <LucaBD> Perchè sapevo che su Ubuntu le stampanti datate non avevano molti problemi ad andare... Su Win 7,8,8.1 o 10 non gira il driver
[20:55] <cristian_c> visto che puoi stampare direttamente dal sistema host, in esecuzione nello stesso momento sul desktop
[20:55] <Carlin0> immagino che il sistema host sia win LucaBD e su win non dovresti avere problemi
[20:55] <cristian_c> LucaBD: il sistema host è windows 8
[20:55] <cristian_c> ?
[20:55] <LucaBD> 10
[20:55] <LucaBD> Ho provato anche su 7 e 8 ma nulla..
[20:55] <cristian_c> LucaBD: consiglio spassionato:
[20:56] <cristian_c> LucaBD: anzi, due consigli
[20:56] <LucaBD> Dimmi tutto
[20:57] <cristian_c> LucaBD: 1) se vuoi usare periferiche usb in virtuale, devi abilitare il supporto usb innanzitutto, installando l'extension pack
[20:58] <cristian_c> LucaBD: 2) se vuoi usare la stampante nel sistema host non compatibile, secondo me dovresti forzare la modalità compatibilità xp
[20:58] <cristian_c> LucaBD: è una cosa che feci per il driver audio realtek, che su windows 7 non si voleva installare perché supportava solo fino a vista
[20:59] <cristian_c> LucaBD: ma questo, come capirai facilmente, non è argomento di questo canale
[20:59] <LucaBD> Capisco, proverò a mettere XP grazie mille!
[21:00] <cristian_c> LucaBD: quindi nessuna delle due ti va bene?
[21:00] <cristian_c> come opzioni
[21:00] <Carlin0> LucaBD, ma hai usato questi driver ? → http://esupport.epson-europe.com/FileDetails.aspx?lng=en-GB&data=0ccCGROWIYMJz5Y9grzzDCWEGfRDM3CCSgFdDGLz4LoU003D&id=31411&cl=-1
[21:00] <LucaBD> No perchè neanche con la compatibilità xp mi funziona..
[21:01] <LucaBD> No! Ora li provo subito!
[21:02] <LucaBD> Carlin0 , a me non li fa scaricare... Mi da una pagina totalmente bianca.
[21:03] <cristian_c> LucaBD: ma la stampante sei sicuro che funziona?
[21:03] <cristian_c> (a prescindere dall'os)
[21:04] <cristian_c> è in buono stato?
[21:04] <LucaBD> Si si, funziona
[21:04] <cristian_c> ok
[21:05] <cristian_c> LucaBD: ma in live hai provato?
[21:05] <LucaBD> No... L'ho installato direttamente
[21:05] <cristian_c> LucaBD: non ci siamo capiti
[21:06] <cristian_c> LucaBD: non sto parlando di virtualbox
[21:06] <LucaBD> Ah, no no non ci ho mai provato senza virtualbox
[21:06] <cristian_c> LucaBD: e aggiungo: cosa che avresti dovuto specificare all'inizio, quando sei entrato.
[21:06] <cristian_c> LucaBD: prova con il supporto in modalità live
[21:06] <cristian_c> facendo il boot
[21:07] <cristian_c> LucaBD: visto che la stampante viene almeno riconosciuta out-of-the-box dal sistems
[21:07] <cristian_c> a
[21:15] <WD-40> salve, qualcuno sa dirmi come editare la systray-whitelist su Ubuntu Unity 14.04 tramite dconf Editor? Grazie
[21:16] <cristian_c> WD-40: può essere effettivamente un problema
[21:17] <WD-40> cristian_c, pervia di Ubuntu Unity 14.04?
[21:19] <cristian_c> WD-40: per via di alcune limitazioni imposte alla systray su unity
[21:19] <cristian_c> come ad esempio per xchat ed altre applicazioni, rispetto al fatto di comparire o meno sul pannello come applet
[21:20] <cristian_c> visto che già esiste il launcher
[21:20] <WD-40> cristian_c, non c'è qualche stratagemma per aggirare la limitazione?
[21:21] <Carlin0> WD-40, usare un altro DE forse
[21:21] <cristian_c> WD-40: alloa, dove hai letto della whitelist e di dconf-editor?
[21:22] <WD-40> cristian_c, sul forum di ubuntu in varie discussioni si parlava del fatto che prima fosse possibile editare systray-whitelist mentre ora no
[21:23] <cristian_c> WD-40: e dunque, cosa ne concludi? Che devi fare, esattamente?
[21:23] <WD-40> Carlin0, sembrerà assurdo ma mi trovo bene con unity
[21:23] <cristian_c> WD-40: non è assurdo
[21:23] <WD-40> cristian_c, concludo che molti suggerisco di aggiungere ppa esterni per scaricare dei pacchetti aggiuntivi ma me ne guardo bene
[21:23] <Carlin0> è assurdo (lol)
[21:24] <cristian_c> con kde5 instabile su kubuntu, e ambienti grafici stabili, ma , come dire..., retrò, unity non è una cattiva scelta, già per il solo fatto che funziona senza esplodere
[21:24] <cristian_c> WD-40: ma in tutto questo
[21:25] <cristian_c> WD-40: non hai ancora spiegato cosa concretamente devi fare
[21:25] <WD-40> cristian_c, ho provato vari DE ma alla fine sono tornato punto e a capo. Mi pare che sia quello migliore per me
[21:25] <WD-40> cristian_c, semplicemente vorrei poter far funzionare l'indicatore di teamspeak nel vassoio di sistema
[21:26] <cristian_c> oohhh
[21:26] <cristian_c> vedi che ce l'hai fatta a dirlo, alla fine? .D
[21:27] <WD-40> cristian_c, ho preso la cosa alla larga perché mi interessava capire se ci fosse possibilità di risolvere la cosa alla radice visto che in passato ho avuto problemi simili con altri software
[21:28] <cristian_c> WD-40: purtroppo, è una questione da affrontare caso per caso
[21:28] <cristian_c> WD-40: visto che ogni software implementano o meno il supporto a unity, a modo proprio
[21:28] <WD-40> cristian_c, per come è stata messa in molti topic sul forum sembrava quasi che "il problema" fosse questo blocco sulla voce systray-whitelist
[21:29] <WD-40> a buon conto, è una cosa risolvibile o me lo posso dimenticare?
[21:29] <cristian_c> WD-40: ho notato come nelle versioni come fosse stato imposto un blocco via codice
[21:29] <cristian_c> quindi non configurabile tramite file di conf
[21:30] <WD-40> cristian_c, che si può fare?
[21:30] <cristian_c> WD-40: diciamo che in generale, un applet nel pannello, senza un -indicator ufficiale dei repo, e con il launcher, è ridondante
[21:31] <cristian_c> WD-40: bisogna vedere se c'è un -indicator apposito per teamspeak
[21:31] <cristian_c> !unity
[21:31] <ubot-it> Unity è la UI di default da Ubuntu 11.04. Unity è una shell per GNOME. Vedi http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmbienteGrafico/Unity Guida uso e Configurazione: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-help/index.html Per una esperienza simil-GNOME 2, vedi !notunity
[21:31] <cristian_c> WD-40: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmbienteGrafico/Unity/Componenti
[21:31] <WD-40> cristian_c, cerco di mettere quanta più roba sul pannello, alleggerendo il launcher, per recuperare un po' di spazio con programmi che non devo richiamare continuamente mentre lavoro
[21:34] <cristian_c> WD-40: quello che fai è un discorso sensato
[21:34] <cristian_c> WD-40: per la roba sempre aperta, credo abbiano fatto apposta gli 'indicatori'
[21:35] <cristian_c> WD-40: non so hai aperto il link che ti ho passato
[21:35] <WD-40> cristian_c, sì, gli sto dando una lettura
[21:40] <WD-40> cristian_c, non so se ho capito bene, ma il punto è se esista o meno un indicator-teamspeak o qualcosa di simile compatibile con la versione di ubuntu che gira sul mio pc?
[21:44] <Prince73> durante l'installazione mi chiede login
[21:44] <Prince73> cosa devo inserire?
[21:44] <Carlin0> Prince73, dove hai preso la iso ?
[21:45] <Prince73> da questo sito
[21:48] <cristian_c> WD-40: sì
[21:48] <cristian_c> WD-40: per vedere se è stata sviluppata una qualche integrazione col pannello
[21:49] <WD-40> cristian_c, mi sa che conviene che mandi direttamente una mail a signor teamspeak
[21:49] <tux17> Buonasera, sto provando ad installare il seguente pacchetto linux-backports-modules-cw-3.8-precise-generic ma mi dice impossibile trovare il pacchetto , come mai??
[21:50] <Prince73> durante l'istallazione mi e' apparsa questa stringa ubuntu 15.10
[21:50] <Prince73> ubuntu tty1
[21:50] <Prince73> ubuntu login
[21:54] <tux17> Qualcuno capace c'è??
[21:54] <cristian_c> !qualcuno | tux17
[21:54] <ubot-it> tux17: la maggior parte delle prime domande fatte in questo canale è del tipo «qualcuno puo' aiutarmi/qualcuno ha tempo/qualcuno usa...?». Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno sa, rispondera'
[21:55] <Carlin0> tux17, che ubuntu usi ?
[21:55] <cristian_c> tux17: dai per scontato che sono tutti scarsi, in generale?
[21:55] <tux17> 15.10
[21:55] <cristian_c> o ti servono info su argomenti specifici?
[21:55] <jester-> tux17: sbagli nome
[21:56] <cristian_c> WD-40: comuque , ci sono applicazioni per gestire la tray
[21:56] <WD-40> cristian_c, tipo?
[21:56] <Carlin0> tux17, è ovvio che se tu vuoi installar eun pacchetto della 12.04 sulla 15.10 avrai qualche problemino
[21:56] <cristian_c> WD-40: ma non so hanno il supporto a unity
[21:56] <tux17> che nome devo mettere??
[21:57] <cristian_c> WD-40: non ricordo il nome del programma, ma cerca 'tray' nel software center, e vedi cosa esce
[21:57] <jester-> il nome giusto del pacchetto presente nei repo
[21:57] <tux17> come posso trovarlo??
[21:57] <Carlin0> tux17, a cosa servirebbe sto pacchetto ...
[21:57] <cristian_c> tux17: su su, chi cerca trova...
[21:58] <cristian_c> tux17: apri synaptic, ad esempio
[21:58] <cristian_c> digiti il nome nel campo di ricerca
[21:58] <tux17> non mi funziona il wifi su ubuntu
[21:58] <cristian_c> di quello che devi cercare
[21:58] <WD-40> cristian_c, non mi pare ci sia nulla di pertinente con quella voce di ricerca
[21:59] <Carlin0> tux17, sei da ubuntu ora ?
[21:59] <cristian_c> WD-40: allora, qualcosa si trova
[21:59] <tux17> si
[21:59] <cristian_c> ma intanto
[21:59] <cristian_c> !chat | WD-40
[21:59] <ubot-it> WD-40: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[22:00] <tux17> sto usando una penne wifi
[22:00] <Carlin0> tux17, sudo apt install pastebinit
[22:00] <cristian_c> WD-40: puoi scrivere direttamente di là, per il proseguio
[22:00] <WD-40> ok
[22:00] <cristian_c> di quello che stiamo dicendo
[22:00] <Carlin0> tux17, lshw -C network | pastebinit
[22:00] <Carlin0> tux17, il 2° comando crea un link , postalo qui
[22:01] <LucaBD> cristian_c per la stampante ho risolto mettendo su VB Win XP :D grazie comunque!
[22:01] <cristian_c> LucaBD: di niente, ma te l'aveva suggerito Carlin0
[22:02] <LucaBD> Grazie anche a te Carlin0 :D
[22:03] <tux17> mi esce http://paste.ubuntu.com/13496204/
[22:04] <Prince73> Qualcuno puo' aiutare anche me?
[22:05] <cristian_c> Prince73: non siamo alla cassa di un supermercato
[22:05] <LucaBD> Non ho capito che login ti chiede.. Ho installato Ubuntu 15.10 e non mi ha chiesto nulla se non la password per creare l'utente
[22:05] <Carlin0> Prince73, ti ho chiesto mezzora fa da dove hai scaricato la iso
[22:06] <Prince73> e ti ho risposto mezz'ora fa che l'ho scaricato da questo sito
[22:08] <Carlin0> questo quale ?
[22:09] <Carlin0> tux17, mi spiace ma non conosco quella scheda di rete , anche se in linea di massima dovrebbe andare
[22:10] <tux17> Carlin0, grazie lo stesso
[22:11] <cristian_c> tux17: puoi ripetere?
[22:11] <tux17> cristian_c: cosa?
[22:11] <Carlin0> c'è il paste sopra cristian_c
[22:11] <cristian_c> product: QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter
[22:11] <cristian_c> è usb?
[22:11] <Carlin0> quello ...
[22:11] <tux17> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13496204/
[22:12] <cristian_c> Prince73: puoi essere più preciso? Che file hai scaricato?
[22:12] <Carlin0> cristian_c, no la usb è l'altra , quella deve essere interna al pc
[22:12] <Carlin0> giusto tux17 ?
[22:13] <tux17> si, è come dice Carlin0
[22:13] <jester-> e dovrebbe andare
[22:13] <jester-> lsusb per la penna
[22:14] <cristian_c> ma io non vedo driver
[22:14] <cristian_c> tux17: non è che ci vuole il firmware?
[22:14] <jester-> provare a installare il firmware non free
[22:14] <tux17> come devo fare?? xD
[22:16] <jester-> sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree
[22:18] <tux17> jester-, fatto.. ora??
[22:19] <jester-> tux17: iwconfig
[22:19] <cristian_c> tux17: e anche sudo apt-get install linux-firmware
[22:19] <cristian_c> che c'è anche il firmware open-sorcio, nel caso
[22:19] <jester-> tux17: ma se hai una wifi integrata perchè usi la usb
[22:20] <tux17> perchè non me la considera quella integrata
[22:21] <jester-> tux17: atheros ha sempre funzato
[22:21] <jester-> tux17: dai rfkill all | pastebinit
[22:23] <tux17> Usage: rfkill [options] command
[22:23] <tux17> Options:
[22:23] <tux17> --version show version (0.5-1ubuntu2 (Ubuntu))
[22:23] <tux17> Commands:
[22:23] <tux17> help
[22:23] <tux17> event
[22:24] <tux17> mi sà che ho fatto qualcosa che non dovevo fare xD
[22:24] <cristian_c> !paste | tux17
[22:24] <ubot-it> tux17: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[22:24] <tux17> cmq mi dà: Si sta tentando di inviare un documento vuoto, in chiusura.
[22:25] <cristian_c> tux17: è scritto anche nel topic, l'hai letto?
[22:26] <tux17> chiedo scusa
[22:26] <jester-> tux17: rfkill list
[22:27] <tux17> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13496424/
[22:28] <cristian_c> tux17: che pc hai?
[22:28] <jester-> tux17: dovrebbe andare la atheros
[22:28] <jester-> tux17: iwconfig | pastebinit
[22:29] <tux17> asus x553ma-sx837h
[22:29] <Carlin0> tux17, e che ubuntu ?
[22:30] <tux17> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13496453/
[22:30] <tux17> ubuntu 15.10
[22:30] <cristian_c> tux17: ok
[22:31] <jester-> tux17: una scheda wifi è su forse la usb
[22:31] <tux17> sisi
[22:31] <jester-> ha un nome strano sei sicuro di usare ubuntu e non il solito tarocco?
[22:31] <tux17> certo
[22:32] <jester-> mai vito nominare una wifi cosi
[22:32] <jester-> tux17: dovrebbe collegarsi. non c'è nell'icona rete?
[22:32] <tux17> è il nome di default del mio router
[22:33] <tux17> ma in questo momento sono collegato ma se tolgo la penna no
[22:33] <jester-> tux17: wlx0014c143217b di solito è wlanx
[22:34] <Carlin0> tux17, hai installato wicd per caso ?
[22:34] <tux17> non so cosa sia
[22:35] <Carlin0> tux17, dpkg -l | grep wicd
[22:35] <tux17> so solo che sono due settimane che provo qualsiasi cosa che trovo in rete ma nnt
[22:35] <tux17> fatta ma non restituisce nnt
[22:36] <Carlin0> ok ...
[22:36] <cristian_c> tux17: allora, dovresti dirlo all'inizio
[22:36] <cristian_c> a cosa hai messo mano
[22:37] <cristian_c> invece che scoprirlo strada facendo
[22:37] <tux17> ragazzi giusto perchè togliermi sto dubbio... mica potrebbe essere legato all'acpi?? dato che solo inserendo acpi=off mi parte ubuntu
[22:37] <cristian_c> che fa perdere tempo a te e a noi
[22:37] <cristian_c> tux17: è possibile, forse in linea teorica
[22:38] <cristian_c> tux17: ma sarebbe meglio appunto provare in live e togliersi il dubbio
[22:38] <tux17> provato ma non parte la live
[22:38] <cristian_c> visto che ci hai smanettato pesantemente
[22:38] <cristian_c> e non sappiamo i particolari di ciò che hai fatto
[22:38] <cristian_c> tux17: neanche con nomodeset?
[22:39] <tux17> dove devo inserirlo??
[22:40] <cristian_c> tux17: nella schermata che si apre premendo 'e' su 'try ubuntu' nel grub
[22:41] <tux17> dopo una determinata stringa o in qualsiasi posto??
[22:42] <cristian_c> tux17: dopo quiet splash
[22:43] <cristian_c> ma con una schermata si vede meglio
[22:43] <tux17> ora provo... spero di ritrovarti dopo
[23:00] <tux17> non va nemmeno con nomodeset
[23:02] <cristian_c> tux17: la puoi postare una schermata?
[23:03] <tux17> con nomodeset: systemd[1]: [/lib/systemd/system/casper.service:10] Failed to parse input specifier, ignoring: force-tty
[23:04] <tux17> e si blocca quando sta il logo di ubuntu
[23:04] <cristian_c> tux17: si può vedere come hai modificato i parametri?
[23:04] <cristian_c> !image | tux17
[23:04] <ubot-it> tux17: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[23:06] <tux17> ok
[23:15] <tux17> https://imgur.com/jBI0kTz
[23:18] <cristian_c> ok
[23:19] <cristian_c> tux17: http://askubuntu.com/questions/664992/ubuntu-live-disk-stop-halt-in-the-boot-process
[23:20] <cristian_c> tux17: pare che l'errore vada di moda sugli asu
[23:20] <cristian_c> asus
[23:21] <tux17> quindi devo provare con kubuntu?
[23:22] <cristian_c> no
[23:22] <cristian_c> tux17: non cambierebbe nulla
[23:22] <tux17> quindi devo rinunciare :(?
[23:23] <cristian_c> allora
[23:23] <cristian_c> tux17: ma sei in macchina virtuale?
[23:23] <tux17> nono
[23:25] <cristian_c> tux17: acpi probe failed?
[23:25] <cristian_c> tux17: puoi postare la schermata con gli errori?
[23:25] <tux17> non ho capito.. cosa devo fare??
[23:26] <cristian_c> tux17: una foto della schermata con gli errori
[23:26] <tux17> ma dalla live??
[23:27] <cristian_c> tux17: certo
[23:27] <cristian_c> mentre avvii la live
[23:28] <tux17> sempre con nomodeset?
[23:29] <cristian_c> sì
[23:29] <cristian_c> !image | tux17
[23:29] <ubot-it> tux17: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[23:34] <tux17> https://imgur.com/sHtIUpm
[23:35] <cristian_c> tux17: page not found
[23:36] <cristian_c> tux17: hai anche link esistenti?
[23:37] <tux17> a me esce
[23:37] <tux17> prova ora https://imgur.com/TeDY4ce
[23:40] <cristian_c> il primo link continua a dare 'page not found', il secondo va
[23:43] <tux17> hai visto la schermata??
[23:47] <cristian_c> tux17: sì
[23:49] <cristian_c> tux17: una volta nella tty, digita: dmesg | less
[23:51] <tux17> come vado nella tty??
[23:52] <cristian_c> tux17: se il cursore lamepeggia e ti fa dogitare comandi, allora sei già lì
[23:56] <tux17> Il cursore non lampeggia.. è bloccato
[23:57] <cristian_c> tux17: ok
[23:57] <cristian_c> tux17: allora, ma io devo andare
[23:58] <cristian_c> tux17: ti suggerisco di modificare la schermata di prika
[23:58] <tux17> Cioè?
[23:58] <cristian_c> tux17: aggiungere nomodeset e togliere quiet splash
[23:58] <cristian_c> tux17: e poi scattare una foto
[23:58] <tux17> Ok
[23:58] <cristian_c> una foto del boot
[23:58] <cristian_c> tux17: ma io ora vado
[23:59] <tux17> Ok grazie lo stesso
[23:59] <cristian_c> e quindi se ne parla appena possibile
[23:59] <cristian_c> ma tu fai la foto, nel caso
[23:59] <cristian_c> tux17: notte
[23:59] <tux17> Notte
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-meeting-2
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[16:59] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:59] * slangasek waves
[17:00] * stgraber waves
[17:00] <pitti> o/
[17:00] * mrjazzcat lurks to learn about 4.3 vs 4.4 :)
[17:01] <mdeslaur> mrjazzcat: hrm?
[17:01] <slangasek> mrjazzcat: you might be looking for the meeting in the other channel?
[17:01] <mrjazzcat> slangasek: ah, I see, thx
[17:02] <slangasek> not that I actually remember what meeting is over there, but it doesn't sound like anything on the TB agenda :)
[17:02] <mdeslaur> ok, looks like kees and infinity are MIA
[17:02] <mdeslaur> #startmeeting
[17:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 24 17:02:40 2015 UTC. The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[17:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[17:02] <mdeslaur> [topic] Apologies
[17:03] <mdeslaur> nobody
[17:03] <mdeslaur> [topic] Action review
[17:03] <mdeslaur> hrm, is this not working
[17:03] <pitti> /topic ?
[17:03] <pitti> err, #topic ?
[17:03] <mdeslaur> #topic Action review
[17:03] <mdeslaur> meetingology: dude
[17:03] <meetingology> mdeslaur: Error: "dude" is not a valid command.
[17:04] <mdeslaur> #topic Action review
[17:04] <stgraber> now it can actually change the topic
[17:04] <mdeslaur> ah, thanks stgraber
[17:04] <mdeslaur> slangasek to document maas, juju, docker exceptions
[17:04] <mdeslaur> slangasek: any progress?
[17:04] <slangasek> none :/
[17:04] <mdeslaur> on, carry
[17:05] <mdeslaur> #action slangasek to document maas, juju, docker exceptions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
[17:05] <slangasek> also, the maas needs to be split out of that
[17:05] <meetingology> ACTION: slangasek to document maas, juju, docker exceptions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
[17:05] <slangasek> and assigned to infinity
[17:05] <slangasek> because there is no approved exception that can be documented yet
[17:05] <mdeslaur> #action slangasek to document juju, docker exceptions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
[17:05] <meetingology> ACTION: slangasek to document juju, docker exceptions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Special_Cases
[17:05] <mdeslaur> #action infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception
[17:05] <meetingology> ACTION: infinity to follow up with maas SRU exception
[17:06] <mdeslaur> #topic Mailing list archive
[17:06] <mdeslaur> doesn't looks like we have anything new on the mailing list
[17:06] <mdeslaur> #topic Community bugs
[17:06] <mdeslaur> no new community bugs
[17:06] <mdeslaur> Does anyone have anything to discuss?
[17:07] <slangasek> nothing here
[17:07] <stgraber> nope
[17:07] <mdeslaur> ok
[17:07] <mdeslaur> #topic Next chair
[17:08] <mdeslaur> Next chair is pitti, then slangasek
[17:08] <mdeslaur> #endmeeting
[17:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 17:08:21 2015 UTC.
[17:08] <meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting-2/2015/ubuntu-meeting-2.2015-11-24-17.02.moin.txt
[17:08] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone
[17:08] <slangasek> mdeslaur: ah, shouldn't that have been kees then pitti
[17:08] <pitti> right, but I don't mind
[17:08] <slangasek> ok
[17:08] <pitti> thanks
[17:09] <mdeslaur> oh, did kees skip it last time? sorry about that
[17:09] <pitti> no, today
[17:09] <mdeslaur> hrm, was going by the out-of-date agenda
[17:10] <mdeslaur> ok, so pitti and then slangasek
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.673017
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-es
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[02:25] <ivedci89> qué pasa que no puedo actualizar?????????????????
[02:26] <ivedci89> en ninguna de mis compus... ni con servidor para argentina ni el principal
[02:28] <ivedci89> libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 debe ser reinstalado pero no hay un archivo para este... eso me dice apt-get
[13:59] <ivedci89-desktop> hola alguien que haya usado librecad????
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.675962
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-dk-moede
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[17:09] <buddig> Hej ses vi på ubuntu-dk-moede i aften?
[17:12] <ClaudiuS> jeps
[17:51] <buddig> OK, så bliver vi da to :-)
[18:11] <ClaudiuS> hehe
[18:34] <themapplz> hej alle! er der nogen der også oplever at dr.dk nu kræver flash player 12 og ikke afspiller længere? det har virket perfekt i månedsvis med min pepperflash plugin til ff
[18:36] <_sbc_> Godaften
[18:40] <ClaudiuS> :-)
[18:55] <_sbc_> Zilvador, Godaften :)
[18:55] <Zilvador> Godaften _sbc_ :)
[18:55] <Zilvador> Og godaften til alle I andre
[18:56] <Klaus_Rasmussen> lige over
[18:57] <Momsemor> God aften...
[18:58] <Zilvador> Godaften Momsemor
[18:58] <_sbc_> Momsemor, Hejsa :)
[18:59] <buddig> God aften.
[19:00] <Zilvador> Godaften Henning
[19:00] <_sbc_> buddig, Godaften
[19:01] <Klaus_Rasmussen> godt nok sørgeligt fremmøde
[19:02] <buddig> Klaus_Rasmussen, hvem tænker du på :-)
[19:02] <Klaus_Rasmussen> antallet
[19:02] <Zilvador> Der er vist heller ikke sendt invitationer ud til mødet, så det er vist rimeligt godt.
[19:03] * _sbc_ tager ansvaret for det.
[19:03] <Klaus_Rasmussen> dagsorden?
[19:03] <_sbc_> ... men vi er da flere i kanalen end vi har været de sidste par gange.
[19:03] <_sbc_> Klaus_Rasmussen, Der er ikke nogen lavet for i dag :(
[19:04] * _sbc_ tænker at vi kan tage en runde med opfølgning på de projekter der er i gang, hvis nogen vil fortælle, og så kan vi brain-storme, bl.a. om muligheden for at lave noget fedt til 16.04? Hvordan lyder det for jer andre?
[19:04] <Momsemor> ok
[19:05] <Zilvador> Det kan vi vel godt
[19:05] <Klaus_Rasmussen> der er ytret ønske om indkøb af billige USB'er
[19:05] <buddig> !
[19:05] <_sbc_> buddig, værsgo
[19:05] <_sbc_> (Er jeg ordstyrer?)
[19:05] <Momsemor> ja
[19:06] <_sbc_> ok :)
[19:06] <Momsemor> ;-)
[19:06] <Zilvador> Hvis vi har brug for en :)
[19:06] <buddig> Vi er igang med at undersøge noget med USB sitcks https://ubuntudanmark.dk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20502&p=145710#p145710
[19:08] <Zilvador> Spændende ide
[19:08] <_sbc_> Jeg syntes det ville være oplagt at bruge penge på et par USB-sticks til de aktive lokal-afdelinger. (Hvis der virker til at være et behov.)
[19:08] <_sbc_> Vi skal vel formelt have det som et punkt på en dagsorden til et møde, så vi ikke bare "kupper" beslutninger og pengekasse, men det kan vi nok få styr på.
[19:09] <buddig> !
[19:09] <_sbc_> buddig, værsgo
[19:10] <buddig> Nu har vi jo næsten kuppet penge ind til foreningen, så de skal vel arbejde.
[19:11] <Zilvador> Ja, det er helt fint med ideer. Og hvis lokalforeningerne mener, at det er en god ide, så synes jeg da, at vi skal støtte det
[19:11] <_sbc_> buddig, Helt enig, jeg siger bare at vi bør gøre det "formelt" rigtigt, så folk har mulighed for at følge med i hvad pengene bruges til. Jeg taler slet ikke imod at bruge dem.
[19:11] <_sbc_> buddig, og fedt arbejde med at skaffe pengene i øvrigt! :)
[19:12] <Zilvador> Meget :)
[19:13] <Zilvador> Så det skal på indkaldelsen til næste møde for at gøre det formelt og stemme om det?
[19:13] <Momsemor> +1
[19:13] <Zilvador> Har I bestemt, om det skal være et installationsmedie eller allerede installeret system, som I snakker om på forummet?
[19:14] <Momsemor> !
[19:14] <_sbc_> Momsemor, værsgo
[19:14] <_sbc_> (Jeg tror bare folk kan snakke/skrive, vi er vist ikke så mange at vi har brug for en taler-række?)
[19:14] <Momsemor> Hvis det skal give mening, skal det da være Ubuntu 16.04 og bruges i forbindelse med udgivelsen...
[19:15] <Zilvador> Enig.
[19:15] <Klaus_Rasmussen> +1
[19:15] <Momsemor> Reklamefremstød, mener jeg :-)
[19:15] <Zilvador> Og jeg vil nok mene, at installations-USB er det bedste. Den virker alligevel lidt i sig selv som et sandkassesystem, så folk kan lege
[19:16] <_sbc_> Momsemor, Men hvis de bliver købt tidligere kan de vel sagtesn bruges til test / 15.10 eller lignende indtil 16.04 Release, hvor der bare kan skrives nyt billede på dem?
[19:16] <buddig> Begge dele, vi havde succes med en installeret til at køre på, til at lade folk prøve, mere om det, når jeg skriver på forumet senere i aften.
[19:17] <Momsemor> Jo, men hvilket antal taler vi om?
[19:17] <Zilvador> Jeg tror, at nogle snakker om at dele USB'er ud og andre om at bruge dem til Ubuntu-møderne :)
[19:17] <Zilvador> buddig, super. Godt med erfaringer. Jeg læser med i aften
[19:17] <Momsemor> Til møderne har vi da brugt dem længe
[19:18] <Zilvador> Momsemor, du snakker om at uddele USB'er til folk, som de kan tage med hjem, ikke?
[19:18] <Momsemor> yes...
[19:19] <buddig> Vi kunne evt. sælge, så de ikke bare bliver brugt som gratis Windows datamedie :-)
[19:19] <Zilvador> Ubuntu fylder omkrign 1 GB på et installationsmedie
[19:19] <Momsemor> Evt. i forbindelse med vores release partyes, som der vel bliver flere steder.... synes det er det vi skal satse på...
[19:20] <Zilvador> Jeg har lige forsøgt at købe en 8GB USB-pind. De var slet ikke tilgængelige hos Elgiganten. Så jeg er lidt spændt på, om vi kan få små USB-pinde nogen steder.
[19:20] <Momsemor> Har set 4 GB...
[19:20] <Zilvador> Men vi skal jo nok regne med omkring 80 kr pr USB-pind
[19:20] <Zilvador> I en butik for nylig? :)
[19:20] <Momsemor> Nej da, så dyre er de slet ikke mere
[19:21] <Zilvador> Jeg har også set dem på hjemmesider, men det viste sig, at de ikke kunne skaffe dem
[19:21] <_sbc_> 30 kr. pr. stk med 4 GB på edbpriser. (Kvalitet ukendt)
[19:21] <Zilvador> Kun 16GB. Men jeg kan også have været uheldig.
[19:22] <Zilvador> Så håber vi på, at vi kan få dem :)
[19:22] <Zilvador> Hvor mange taler vi om?
[19:22] <buddig> !
[19:23] <_sbc_> buddig, værsgo
[19:23] <buddig> Skal vi ikke lige forske lidt videre, så vi ikkefår noget langsomt skrammel der giver folk en dårlig oplevelse?
[19:24] <_sbc_> buddig, god ide.
[19:24] <Momsemor> Vi får stadig DVD til 16.04 ikke
[19:24] <Zilvador> Meget gerne. Jeg taler ikke om at købe her. Jeg taler bare om at fremsætte et konkret forslag, så vi får et overblik
[19:24] <Zilvador> Det regner jeg med, Momsemor
[19:24] <Momsemor> Super :-)
[19:24] <Zilvador> Vi har stadig mange 14.04 tilbage i øvrigt :)
[19:25] <Momsemor> Også her :-(
[19:25] <Zilvador> Hehe
[19:25] <Zilvador> Godt. Lad os antage, at vi køber omkring 20 i første omgang. Så kan vi stille et konkret forslag til indkøb til næste møde.
[19:26] <Zilvador> Det kan så afsættes eks. 700 kroner til indkøb af USB'er til de afdelinger, der måtte ønske det
[19:26] <buddig> Dem kan vi bruge til aktiviteterne på DOKK1 her først i december
[19:26] <Zilvador> Hvilke aktiviteter?
[19:26] <Zilvador> Lyder spændende
[19:27] <buddig> Vi har 3 Ubuntu aktiviteter, 1. oriientering om Ubuntu 2 Libre Office orienterin 3 kom og få Ubuntu på din PC. DOKK1 er medarrangør
[19:28] <Momsemor> I kan få Ubuntu 14.04 DVDer med til uddeling, hvis I gider hente dem i Randers....
[19:28] <buddig> her i December
[19:28] <_sbc_> buddig, Det lyder da fedt! Hvad er DOKK1 (spørger jeg dumt)
[19:28] <Zilvador> Super :).
[19:29] <buddig> DOKK1.dk det nye fede mediehus, hvor LibreOffice verdenskonferencen var.
[19:29] <Momsemor> Eller Risskov, der kommer jeg på tirsdag....
[19:29] <Zilvador> Hvor mange er I med til det, buddig ?
[19:30] <_sbc_> Det ser da fedt ud! Tror du vi kunne holde 16.04 LTS udgivelse der?
[19:31] <buddig> Ja da, vi er 2 - 3 nu, og det er offentligt, så folk kommer forbi.
[19:31] <Zilvador> Super godt
[19:32] <buddig> De er helt vilde med at få os derud, da de har Ubuntu på alle publikumsmaskiner.
[19:32] <buddig> så de får også hjælp
[19:32] <Zilvador> :D
[19:32] <Zilvador> Det er da vildt godt
[19:33] <Zilvador> Jeg håber, at I får mange tilskuere
[19:35] <_sbc_> Det kan være vi skal tale lidt om hvad vi har af tanker for 16.04 LTS? Skal det være mest for os selv, eller rettet mod nye brugere? osv.
[19:36] <Zilvador> Spørgsmålet er nok først og fremmest, hvad vi har kapacitet til og hvor det skal være, tænker jeg
[19:36] <buddig> !
[19:36] <_sbc_> buddig, værsgo
[19:37] <buddig> Vi gør det for alle interesserede i DOKK1 da stilen er åbenhed i det hus, og de vil rigtig gerne udbrede opensource
[19:38] <buddig> slut/
[19:38] <Zilvador> Super :)
[19:38] <_sbc_> buddig, sejt! Vil du være tovholder på projektet?
[19:40] <buddig> Det tror jeg at Kjelsd Stormskjær allerede er, sammen med projektlederen for Opensource udvikling i kommunen
[19:40] <_sbc_> buddig, ok.
[19:41] <Zilvador> Jeg tænker, at Aarhus og Randers/Risskov nok er bedst dækket ind mht. at fejre 16.04
[19:41] <_sbc_> Zilvador, Det er nok rigtigt.
[19:41] <_sbc_> AJenbo, Hej Anders :)
[19:41] <Momsemor> Davs Anders :-)
[19:41] <Zilvador> Godaften Anders :)
[19:41] <AJenbo> Hej :)
[19:42] <Klaus_Rasmussen> hej
[19:42] <buddig> g_aften Jenbo
[19:43] <AJenbo> Hvor er vi i programmet?
[19:44] <AJenbo> Hvis nogen har lyst til at høre lidt om hvad der sker med siden så ska jeg gerne fortælle.
[19:44] <_sbc_> AJenbo, Der er vist intet program, men vi snakker om muligheder for 16.04 udgivelse i Aarhus.
[19:44] <Momsemor> Ja, tak :-)
[19:44] <buddig> !
[19:44] <_sbc_> buddig, værsgo
[19:45] <buddig> Anders, du er nødt til at læse mødeloggen senere, og vi vil gerne have dig og andre med til release i Aarhus
[19:45] <buddig> slut/
[19:46] <AJenbo> Cool, tak :)
[19:46] <AJenbo> Jeg vil også gerne med
[19:46] <AJenbo> !
[19:46] <_sbc_> AJenbo, værsgo
[19:47] <AJenbo> Jeg har implementeret vores thema fra bunden i phpBB 3.1 (tidligere kørte vi phpBB 3.0). Dette har gjort at vi er sluppet for den noget problematiske intergration der var lavet mellem phpBB og WP hvilket ofte udelukkede besøgende fra dele af siden.
[19:47] <Zilvador> Det er da gode nyheder :)
[19:48] <AJenbo> Det skulle også have fikset nogle af de problemer der har været visuelt/grafisk rundt omkring på forummet.
[19:48] <Zilvador> Men det var også noget af en opgave, var det ikke?
[19:48] <AJenbo> Vi har lavet et tidligt release, hvilket vil sige at ikke alle funktioner fra det gamle forum er implementeret i det nye.
[19:48] <AJenbo> Zilvador: jo det tog lidt tid :)
[19:49] <Zilvador> Hvor langt er arbejdet så? Du er i gang med næste release?
[19:49] <AJenbo> Jeg har efterfølgende lavet et plugin til phpBB 3.1 der har bragt alle avatar tilbage. Der mangler stadig et par yderligere plugins, men det er mest noget med sikkerhed og administration så ikke rigtige noget brugerne ligger mærke til i dagligdagen.
[19:51] <AJenbo> Et af de helt store punkter er at vi nu kan opdatere WordPress (WP) og phpBB, samt plugins, uden at skulle patche og test. Det var en process som krævede en stor teknisk viden omkring systemerne, men nu skulle det være til at gøre for de fleste, især hvis man kan finde ud af Git :)
[19:51] <Momsemor> Ser rigtigt fint ud, skulle lige vænne mig til: Hurtige links ;-)
[19:52] <AJenbo> På stående fod kan jeg huske jeg mangler at lave et plugin til phpBB der spære for Tor netværket (vi har haft mange fosøg på at gætte adgangskoder der fra) samt at tillade admin og skribenter at logge ind i WP med deres phpBB bruger.
[19:52] <AJenbo> P.t. kan dem der tidligere har været inde i WP stadig logge ind med den adgangskode de hade på daværende tidspunkt.
[19:53] <Momsemor> Ja, jeg kan i hvert fald...
[19:53] <AJenbo> Vi skal så også have ryddet lidt op i hvilke bruger der er i de 2 systemer da vi har en del der er oprettet af spammere.
[19:53] <AJenbo> Momsemor: det er godt for du er en af de vigtige der :)
[19:53] <Zilvador> Hvor synd at folk misbruger Tor på den måde
[19:53] <Momsemor> Ha, ha....
[19:54] <AJenbo> Vi har også skiftet server fra en ældre Debian 6 til Ubuntu 14.04
[19:54] <AJenbo> Det har betydet at kryptering på siden nu er i top kladse.
[19:54] <Zilvador> Hehe...så nu bruger vi også, hvad vi reklamerer med. Godt.
[19:54] <AJenbo> Siden burde også køre hurtigere på flere punkter. Dog er der stadig noget der skal justere list her og der.
[19:56] <AJenbo> Desværre oplever vi dog stadig et problem som begynde efter skiftet til phpBB 3.1, og det er at serveren nogle gange holder op med at svare. Det er noget problematisk at fejlfinde og pt. har jeg det meste af min tid lagt i arbejde og Fallout 4 o:)
[19:56] <Zilvador> Uh...en anden Fallout-fan! :)
[19:56] <AJenbo> Hvis nogen har lyst til at være med til at udvikle på siden eller blive sat ind i noget af det tekniske skal de være mere end velkomne til at kontakte mig :)
[19:57] <Zilvador> Jeg vil gerne være med, hvis du har noget konkret jeg kan kigge på :)
[19:58] <AJenbo> En del af WP siden er også blevet optimeret mod mere moderne browsere. Noget vi virkelig mangler at gøre er dog at gøre themaet responsivt. phpBB themaet er klargjort, men da det lever inde i WP themaet får vi ikke rigtige den store effekt ud af det.
[19:59] <AJenbo> Det sidste jeg kan nævne er at vi har planlagt at overgå fra Google Analytics til et selv hostede pwiki hvilket igen skulle give mere privat liv da vi ikke deler data med andre.
[19:59] <AJenbo> Som det er sat op pt. skal vi bruge et ekstra ssl certifikat, og lave et plugin til phpBB. Det er kan dog være vi kan komme uden om det med certifikatet.
[20:00] <AJenbo> slut/
[20:00] <_sbc_> AJenbo, Cool!
[20:00] <Zilvador> Super. Tak for overblikket!
[20:00] <Zilvador> Du har haft travlt!
[20:00] <Momsemor> Flot arbejde :-)
[20:02] <AJenbo> Det var også lidt en drøm at komme over i phpBB 3.1 og slippe for alle de gamle problemer så det er nærmest belønning i sig selv :)
[20:02] <Zilvador> Hvor lang er supporten på 3.1?
[20:03] <AJenbo> Ind til de laver en helt ny udgave :)
[20:04] <AJenbo> Det er 3.1.6 pt. x.x.? er sikkerheds opdateringer.
[20:04] <Zilvador> Ah super. Så er den helt ny :)
[20:04] <Zilvador> Jeg troede faktisk, at 4.0 også var ude. Men ikke endnu, ser jeg
[20:06] <AJenbo> Ja, på 3.0 hade jeg valgt at lade os blive på 3.0.10 (eller var det 3.0.11) selv om 3.0.12 da jeg vurderede sikkerhedshullerne til ikke at være kritiske for os og at arbejdet ville være bedre brugt på at skrive det hele om i php 3.1
[20:06] <AJenbo> Det skulle også betyde at sommer tid og vinter tid nu bliver skiftet automatisk så vi ikke får den fejl rapport fra halvdelen af de aktive brugere 2 gange om året :)
[20:07] <Zilvador> Det lyder godt :)
[20:08] <_sbc_> Er der andet vi har brug for at snakke om i aften? Ellers vil jeg måske til at logge af...
[20:09] <Momsemor> Hvornår er næste IRC møde?
[20:09] <_sbc_> 29. december?
[20:09] <_sbc_> Eller er det dumt tidspunkt, midt i helligdagene?
[20:09] <Zilvador> Jeg er på skiferie der
[20:09] <buddig> !
[20:09] <_sbc_> buddig, værsgo
[20:10] <Momsemor> Jeg tvivler på, at der er mange til, at vedtage evt. beslutninger
[20:10] <_sbc_> Momsemor, det er nok rigtigt.
[20:10] <buddig> Anders var vist ikke med, da jeg skrev, at der kommer mere fra Ubuntu Aarhus i aften
[20:11] <Klaus_Rasmussen> første tirsdag i januar?
[20:11] <AJenbo> +1
[20:11] <Momsemor> Helere 2. tirsdag i januar
[20:11] <buddig> https://instagram.com/p/5r1rRXKVmk/ her er DOKK1, hvor vi gerne vil have mere aktivitet og releaseparty
[20:11] <buddig> /
[20:12] <Momsemor> Tirsdag d. 12. januar, ellers konflikter det med Ubuntu Risskov
[20:13] <Klaus_Rasmussen> +1
[20:13] <_sbc_> Det lyder fornuftigt. Tirsdag d. 12. januar 2016 kl. 20.00.
[20:13] <Klaus_Rasmussen> glædelig jul og godt nytår
[20:14] <_sbc_> Ellers andet / noget til Eventuelt / nogen der er blevet overset ?
[20:14] <AJenbo> God jul og godt nyttår til alle :)
[20:14] <Momsemor> Og så igen sidste tirsdag i måneden, som sædvanligt, ikke?
[20:14] <Zilvador> I lige måde. God jul og nytår til alle!
[20:14] <_sbc_> Momsemor, Ja, sådan må det være! :D
[20:15] <Momsemor> Rigtig glædelig jul og godt nyt Ubuntu-år fra Hadsten
[20:15] <_sbc_> Vi ses i det nye år :D
[20:15] <_sbc_> Tak for i aften.
[20:15] <buddig> Ses på forumet senere i aften.
[20:18] <AJenbo> +1
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[01:50] <tsimonq2> the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 443 for the week November 16-22, 2015 has been forwarded to you all on the mailing list
[01:50] <tsimonq2> enjoy! :)
[14:37] <tsimonq2> o/ all
[22:26] * tsimonq2 is gone: test
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2015-11-24-#juju
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[00:45] <axw> marcoceppi Icey: storage will be supported in bundles when deployed from CLI in 1.26, not sure when juju-gui support will be added
[00:46] <axw> rick_h_: ^^
[00:47] <lathiat> storage in bundles?
[00:57] <axw> lathiat: yes, the ability to specify how storage is allocated for charms that support the new storage feature
[00:58] <axw> lathiat: e.g. how many disks to allocate for each unit by default
[01:01] <rick_h_> axw: conversations took place today. we wanted to check about creating pools from bundles?
[01:02] <axw> rick_h_: that sounds a bit odd, since a bundle should be deployable to multiple clouds?
[01:03] <rick_h_> axw: true but it also can't be a full deployment without the pool. it's sonething to chat on there.
[01:04] <rick_h_> axw: but the bundle wxport with storage will be on gui 2.0 in dec i think
[01:04] <rick_h_> export
[01:09] <axw> rick_h_: yeah I think it needs sprint-meeting discussion. it doesn't seem straight forward to me. for some providers the pools are really environment specific. e.g. for MAAS, you can specify tags that disks must match... that's going to be specific to an installation of MAAS
[01:09] <axw> rick_h_: so then you have (bundle, pool, MAAS-install) tuple that defines your deployment
[01:13] <rick_h_> axw: right so curious if it's like spexifying machines and the putting services on those machines
[01:14] <rick_h_> axw: it can be very substrate specific and we'd not want those in the store
[01:14] <rick_h_> axw: but useful for a repeatable deploy for your own use
[01:14] <axw> rick_h_: yeah, I guess so. like using instance-type in constraints.
[01:15] <rick_h_> axw: right
[01:19] <axw> rick_h_: FWIW, there's a way to specify an override for storage when deploying a bundle on the command line. --storage <service>:<storage-name>=<constraints>. so it's possible to deploy a bundle with a specific pool, it's just not self-contained
[01:20] <axw> rick_h_: if it's just for personal use, I'm not really convinced the amount of work involved in support it is warranted, but I'm not deploying bundles all the time so I may have a warped view :)
[05:34] * Sharan slaps kwmonroe around a bit with a large fishbot
[14:12] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h_: need clarification - with new juju store stuff, can one promulgate directly from a /development/ url, or must that development revision be published first?
[14:12] <rick_h_> tvansteenburgh: yes, you can --publish a ~rharding/development/mysql to publish the latest development revision
[14:13] <rick_h_> tvansteenburgh: at least that's the spec, I'm looking forward to getting the client to try it out
[14:13] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h_: and you could do the same with a specific revision i assume?
[14:13] <rick_h_> tvansteenburgh: yes
[14:13] <tvansteenburgh> oh wait, you didn't answer my question :)
[14:13] <rick_h_> tvansteenburgh: or even just 'charm upload --publish .' to both upload it to dev and publish it in one stroke
[14:13] <tvansteenburgh> *promulgate*
[14:14] <rick_h_> tvansteenburgh: oh, so in promulgate you have to first promulgate the published url.
[14:14] <tvansteenburgh> ok, thanks
[14:14] <rick_h_> tvansteenburgh: then the end user can only upload to develop, and only those with the promulgate ACL can publish from develop to the promulgated published space
[14:14] <rick_h_> if that makes sense
[14:14] <tvansteenburgh> yep
[14:44] <lazypower> woo
[14:44] <lazypower> new tooling
[15:07] <stokachu> anyone know if there is a way to react to a 'relation finished' using juju api or any other means?
[15:07] <stokachu> not specific to reactive pattern just in general
[15:07] <tvansteenburgh> rick_h_: how does one determine whether a user-namespace charm has advanced beyond what is currently promulgated?
[15:08] <tvansteenburgh> stokachu: relation-departed|broken hooks?
[15:09] <stokachu> looking for a way to run a process against a service after it has joined a relation
[15:09] <stokachu> but want to make sure the relation stuff is done
[15:09] <tvansteenburgh> ah, probably need to use status-set for that
[16:28] <roadmr> helloo juju people. How can a unit know its own id? i.e. which command can I run, while inside unit foo/0 (via ssh), to get "foo/0" (or the tag: unit-foo-0)?
[16:29] <marcoceppi> roadmr: if you're in a hook, $JUJU_UNIT_NAME
[16:31] <jrwren> is there a place to see queue of tests to be run for stuff at http://reports.vapour.ws/ ?
[16:31] <roadmr> marcoceppi: what if I'm not in a hook? :( i.e. a plain shell
[16:31] <marcoceppi> jrwren: what do you mean
[16:31] <marcoceppi> roadmr: I mean, not easily, there are "ways"
[16:32] <jrwren> marcoceppi: I updated a MR and am wondering when tests for it will run again.
[16:32] <marcoceppi> jrwren: never, we have to push a button for updates. Only initial new items are run. In the new review queue it'll work on update but it's hard for us to track that in the old one
[16:32] <roadmr> marcoceppi: I could write the unit's id/tag to a file as part of a charm, then I'd have that info available for later... off the top of my crazy head that's one idea
[16:32] <marcoceppi> jrwren: link me to the review item in the review queue and I'll kick off tests
[16:33] <marcoceppi> roadmr: yeah, the other is to sniff init files, but that won't work if you have multiple units on the node
[16:34] <jrwren> marcoceppi: oh! I'm glad I asked :) https://code.launchpad.net/~evarlast/charms/trusty/mongodb/fix-dump-actions/+merge/277191
[16:34] <marcoceppi> jrwren: that's not a review queue link ;)
[16:34] <jrwren> marcoceppi: oh.
[16:34] <marcoceppi> jrwren: http://review.juju.solutions/review/2357 will show tests and the results
[16:34] <roadmr> marcoceppi: I see them! is it at all possible for two units of the *same* service to be deployed on the same node?
[16:34] <marcoceppi> jrwren: if there are no tests "PENDING" then none are running
[16:35] <jrwren> marcoceppi: where do I get a review queue link? its in the list here, I've no idea what link you want. http://reports.vapour.ws/latest-bundle-and-charm-results
[16:35] <marcoceppi> roadmr: if someone is crazy, and does a juju add-unit --to, then yes
[16:35] <marcoceppi> jrwren: http://review.juju.solutions
[16:35] <roadmr> marcoceppi: if not, maybe init file poking would help me, since I don't care about services bar, baz, quux, as long as I know this node is foo/0
[16:35] <roadmr> marcoceppi: oh, yes the crazy factor :)
[16:35] <marcoceppi> roadmr: it's probably easier to write it to a file, tbh
[16:35] <marcoceppi> jrwren: I just queued up tests for it
[16:36] <roadmr> marcoceppi: hey thanks for your help/feedback :) at least I know 1) it's not straightforward, 2) I have several options to work with.
[16:36] <jrwren> marcoceppi: http://review.juju.solutions/review/2357 ? that link?
[16:36] <marcoceppi> yes
[16:36] <marcoceppi> jrwren: it'll say either PASS, FAIL, PENDING, or RUNNING
[16:36] <jrwren> marcoceppi: in that case, this too please: http://review.juju.solutions/review/2371
[16:37] <marcoceppi> jrwren: so if you don't see any PENDING or RUNNING then ping a ~charmer to kick them off
[16:37] <marcoceppi> jrwren: done :)
[16:37] <jrwren> marcoceppi: thank you.
[16:38] <marcoceppi> tvansteenburgh: it looks like LXC substrate for charm testing is broken again "ERROR there was an issue examining the environment: cannot use 37017 as state port, already in use"
[16:38] <marcoceppi> tvansteenburgh: http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/charm-bundle-test-lxc/1535/console
[16:38] <tvansteenburgh> marcoceppi: thanks, looking into it
[16:39] <roadmr> marcoceppi: hey feel free to defer me if busy, but what I want to ultimately achieve is being able to deploy a crontab configuration to all units for one particular service but have only one of them run the crontab, the others should ignore or early-exit from it. I can't imagine I'm the first to need something like this?
[16:40] <marcoceppi> roadmr: so, are you doing this crontab as part of a charm? or outside the charm?
[16:41] <roadmr> marcoceppi: good question :) my plan is for the charm to write the crontab file (say in /etc/cron.daily/blah)
[16:41] <marcoceppi> roadmr: if you want it to only run on one unit, then just have this kind of codeblock
[16:41] <marcoceppi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13493735/
[16:42] <marcoceppi> roadmr: juju will elect a leader from the service group for you at deploy time, and there will ever only be one leader. If that leader goes away a `leader-elected` hook will fire where you can codify that check so that the cront will only ever exist on one machine
[16:43] <roadmr> marcoceppi: oh cool! yes, I was gravitating towards using is-leader but was thinking of using it at runtime (i.e. in the unit). Doing it on hooks sounds reasonable
[16:44] <marcoceppi> roadmr: it's be a safer and repeatable way to do what you're looking for
[16:44] <roadmr> marcoceppi: indeed... and it sounds like the correct way to use is-leader, rather than my horrid mental hacks :)
[16:44] <marcoceppi> :D
[16:45] <roadmr> marcoceppi: cool! I'll dive into doing it that way. Thanks so much!
[16:49] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: Still no ANN for the new charm-tools? mbruzek was hitting an issue that was fixed in the new version with --hide-metrics
[16:53] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: the latest version is out and live
[16:54] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: it's been out (1.9.2) since Friday, still fighting homebrew'
[16:54] <cory_fu> Anything I can help with?
[16:55] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: it's grunt work, see https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/pull/46273 apparently the way I've been doing Formulas for the past 2 years is "wrong"
[16:58] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: I'm working on it again now, if I can get poet to work I should have it in homebrew soone enough
[16:58] <cory_fu> Thanks a bunch
[16:58] <cory_fu> mbruzek's issue was just that he was not aware of the new release. It is working now, I believe.
[17:01] <marcoceppi> of course, poet doesn't install cleanly.
[17:03] <tvansteenburgh> how would one fix this: ERROR failed to bootstrap environment: cannot make cloud-init init script for the machine-0 agent: relative path in ExecStart (cloud-city/charm-testing-lxc/tools/machine-0/jujud) not valid
[17:05] <tvansteenburgh> "relative path not valid"... i have cloud-city/ dir, but nothing beyond in that path
[17:05] * tvansteenburgh tries creating dirs...
[17:07] <tvansteenburgh> nope
[17:15] * tvansteenburgh facepalms. note to future self - don't set JUJU_HOME to a relative path
[17:18] <rick_h_> tvansteenburgh: ouch, that seems like a party there
[22:23] <blahdeblah> Hi all, quick Q: is it possible to tell juju to use MAAS to bootstrap and install the boostrap node into a container in MAAS rather than the base node itself, leaving the base node available for other juju units?
[22:30] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: so bootstrap in a LXC container?
[22:31] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: yep
[22:31] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: not really, at least not atm, however you can just create a KVM container on the maas-master and tag it "bootstrap" so you can `juju bootstrap --constraints="tags=bootstrap"`
[22:32] <blahdeblah> yeah - I've done that before, but it's cumbersome and manual
[22:32] <blahdeblah> When the LXD driver comes it will be possible?
[22:32] <blahdeblah> s/it will/will it/
[22:32] <lazypower> marcoceppi: it may be complete coincidence, but if i have a machine tagged bootstrap maas always picks it for the bootstrap node.
[22:33] <lazypower> i dont have to pass the --constraints bit
[22:33] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: I don't know, I'm not sure if you'll be able to register lxd as a chassis for maas
[22:33] <blahdeblah> lazypower: hi - did you see my question about the DNS charm recently?
[22:33] <marcoceppi> though that would be pretty awesome
[22:33] <lazypower> blahdeblah : I did not
[22:33] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: :-(
[22:33] <lazypower> blahdeblah on the repo?
[22:34] <blahdeblah> lazypower: No, here; I've read through the doco on it a couple of times and I'm still struggling to understand what you're aiming at with it.
[22:35] <lazypower> blahdeblah : a single charm to handle DNS
[22:35] <lazypower> either setup the bind infrastructure to handle DNS for me, or proxy requests to my upstream DNS provider like Rt53
[22:35] <blahdeblah> lazypower: Was hoping you'd have some time to have a hangout to discuss so I can fit into it with the stuff I'm working on.
[22:36] <lazypower> Sure. I have a todo to lend a hand integrating it into the big data bundles possibly
[22:36] <lazypower> I can wrap it into that todo, and sync next week over it so it'll be fresh in my mind?
[22:37] <lazypower> i haven't looked under teh hood of the charm in a bit, its been an on-going WIP
[22:37] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: Any idea who are the people to talk to about explaining my use case?
[22:37] <blahdeblah> lazypower: Cool - thanks
[22:38] <blahdeblah> lazypower: The current thing that you seem to be aiming for is sending requests to manage DNS records over the relation, right?
[22:39] <lazypower> Correct
[22:39] <blahdeblah> lazypower: What I'm hoping to do is tie the DNS records directly to a relation, so that as soon as I add a unit and it's functional, it gets added to DNS without needing to ask anything.
[22:39] <lazypower> Thats exactly the plans of the auto relation
[22:39] <lazypower> it uses the units name and a wildcard domain to populate the entire model
[22:39] <lazypower> that or SRV records
[22:39] <lazypower> er
[22:39] <blahdeblah> I thought that might be the case, but the doco for it is empty at the moment. :-)
[22:39] <lazypower> welllll
[22:40] <lazypower> lets sling some code g-funky
[22:40] <lazypower> :D
[22:40] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: the maas team, or email the juju mailing list about it
[22:40] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: I would have thought it would be all in the juju driver side of things; we can deploy units to LXCs on MAAS now, just not the bootstrap node.
[22:41] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: wait
[22:41] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: what?
[22:41] <marcoceppi> the lxc container has to run somehwere though
[22:41] <blahdeblah> lazypower: I'm definitely happy to do some coding for it
[22:42] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: yep, and the MAAS driver allows saying "juju add-unit --to lxc:N", where N is a MAAS-provisioned machine.
[22:42] <blahdeblah> marcoceppi: s/driver/provider/ maybe - not sure on the exact terminology there
[22:42] <marcoceppi> blahdeblah: sure, that makes sense, that exists for other providers
[22:42] <marcoceppi> so what you want is for maas to spin up a machine and put the bootstrap node on a lxc container on that node?
[22:43] <blahdeblah> exactly
[22:45] <blahdeblah> That way an environment could be fully auto-provisioned in MAAS without requiring a dedicated bootstrap machine or manually adding KVM nodes to MAAS.
[23:44] <los_> Q: is there a current list of providers for JuJu? "providers" is the "per IaaS enabler" bits right?
[23:45] <cholcombe> i seem to have run into this problem with the manual provider: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1412621
[23:45] <mup> Bug #1412621: replica set EMPTYCONFIG MAAS bootstrap <adoption> <bootstrap> <bug-squad> <charmers> <cpec> <cpp> <maas-provider> <mongodb> <oil> <juju-core:Fix Committed by frobware> <juju-core 1.24:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released by frobware> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1412621>
[23:46] <marcoceppi> los_: there is
[23:48] <los_> marcoceppi: thankx...I'll look again. Did you see this re: LXD? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyXLRDN0ERo
[23:48] <marcoceppi> los_: `juju init --show | grep "type:" | grep -v "#" | awk '{print $2}'` which says the following:
[23:49] <marcoceppi> los_: openstack maas joyent gce ec2 cloudsigma vsphere manual local azure
[23:49] <marcoceppi> los_: Yes! I have seen teh lxd provider, it'll be in the 1.26-alpha2 release which should be out in a week or so
[23:50] <los_> marcoceppi: I swear, if I could wave a magic wand and banish all the old maas/juju vids I think that'd be my best contribution!
[23:50] <marcoceppi> los_: haha, yeah... you and me both. You should checkout the Juju video channel which is only publishing fresh content
[23:51] <marcoceppi> los_: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSsoSZBAZ3Ivlbt_fxyjIkw
[23:51] <marcoceppi> los_: we're publishing new content about once or twice a week to that channel
[23:54] <los_> marcoceppi: THANKS! Awesome.
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2015-11-24-#xubuntu
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[06:31] <mks1945> hi people! who are use thunderbird?
[06:32] <mks1945> I have an error: when i write new letter, and i begin type address in field "To", popup list with matches show not correct (size 4px)
[06:32] <mks1945> description bug (not thunderbird, but xfce) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1151764
[06:32] <mks1945> In kde thunderbird work fine
[08:55] <nrpil> hello people, just love my new xubuntu install ! just have one question which i could not find on the net. why does libreoffice not want to open or save documents on a samba share ?
[09:04] <function9x> sounds like user privs
[09:25] <nrpil> hmm, how do i debug (to be sure) this ?
[09:33] <vista__> Hey there, I am having some trouble getting USB3 to work
[09:34] <vista__> It *usually* works after a cold boot, but it randomly breaks after waking up from sleep mode
[09:35] <vista__> When I say break, I mean the ports are completely unuseable
[09:35] <vista__> not even at USB2 speeds
[09:36] <vista__> dmesg does not say much, other than "usb usb1: root hub lost power or was reset"
[09:39] <vista__> lsusb shows the USB3 root hub correctly
[09:39] <vista__> and so does lspci
[12:20] <xubuntu69w> why would I want to use xunbtu 15.10 when it will become obsolete in 6 months? I don't understand this!
[12:20] <cfhowlett> xubuntu69w, so don't use it. LTS has 3 years of support
[12:21] <xubuntu69w> The response doesn't really help
[12:22] <xubuntu69w> I have no idea wjat LTS is
[12:22] <cfhowlett> !LTS
[12:23] <xubuntu69w> thank you
[12:32] <vista__> what is the usual 'question timeout' here (e.g. how often should I ask my unanswered question?)
[12:32] <cfhowlett> vista__, 15 - 20 minutes and thank you for asking.
[12:33] <vista__> I have some big problems with USB3 support
[12:33] <vista__> To the point where I cannot rely on them working
[12:35] <vista__> Cold booting *sometimes* results in working USB3 ports, else dmesg just says the root hub timed out. Resuming from sleep breaks this all the time. There is power in the USB3 ports, but they do not work. When resuming from sleep, I find the following in dmesg:
[12:35] <vista__> usb usb1: root hub lost power or was reset (x2, since I have two USB3 ports)
[12:36] <vista__> lsusb shows the USB3 root hub, and lspci shows the controller correctly
[12:37] <vista__> when inserting anything into a broken USB3 port, nothing shows up in dmesg
[12:38] <vista__> Checked the ports in Windows, they work perfectly, even when resuming from sleep
[12:58] <xubuntu24i> Good afternoon!
[12:58] <theboss> hey o/
[12:59] <xubuntu24i> I have been looking for an answer over the net but i have to admit i'm a little bit confused. Out of curiosity I would like to try XFCE on Wayland, is there anyone who knows if there are PPAs or precompiled bins to avoid messing with my system please?
[13:00] <xubuntu24i> I have tried installing gnome-session-wayland, but whenever I enable the option in LightGDM, the session just crashes, and i havnt found anything usefull inside Xorg.0.log. Tried with Nouveau and with Non-OSS drivers, same result.
[13:01] <xubuntu24i> Anyone? :)
[13:01] <cfhowlett> !patience
[13:05] <xubuntu24i> I was on this chat while running an installation from the Xubuntu CD, I will have to reboot now... BRB on my real system. Thanks guys :)
[13:17] <fsociety[00]dat> hi #xubuntu :)
[13:19] <fsociety[00]dat> can I skip the select and install software section while installing xubuntu-core via mini.iso in expert mode?
[13:19] <fsociety[00]dat> after installing the base system and grub I will reboot and give the command sudo apt-get install xubuntu-core^
[15:37] <lesa> is there a way to search the internet directly from whisker menu?
[15:39] <krytarik> lesa: "Search Actions" in its settings.
[15:45] <lesa> Yes, I was having a small problem with google searc?q
[15:45] <lesa> works like champ :)
[17:23] <mariano_> I installed rstudio but the app won't open. I've tried to open the app via the terminal and I get the following message: rstudio: error while loading shared libraries: libgstreamer-0.10.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:27] <xubuntu30i> hi why is xubunut so buggy?
[17:27] <xubuntu30i> hi well_laid_lawn
[17:28] <well_laid_lawn> hi
[17:28] <xubuntu30i> how r u?
[17:29] <well_laid_lawn> it's 3.30am here so I'm just waking up
[19:50] <Sur3> hi after upgrading from thrusty tahr to willy werewolf, my exaile crashes when i try to play .m4a-files, how can i debug this, gdb doesnt work because its an python script..
[21:05] <xubuntu948> hi guys
[21:08] <function9x> morning
[21:36] <Hund> Evening
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-uk
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[00:56] <diddledan> maybe the next G version of ubuntu should be "Gnarly Gnus"?
[01:03] <diddledan> http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-11/5/11/enhanced/webdr13/enhanced-14699-1446740827-7.jpg
[06:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning
[08:51] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:54] <TwistedLucidity> 8 hours, 6 minutes of drudgery to go....
[08:56] <MooDoo> tell me about it
[09:02] <TwistedLucidity> I found a new hero yesterday: https://www.jitbit.com/alexblog/249-now-thats-what-i-call-a-hacker/
[10:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday and happy Celebrate Your Unique Talent Day! 😃
[10:09] <MooDoo> morning
[12:35] <foobarry> !ping
[12:35] <lubotu3`> pong!
[12:39] <foobarry> received duplicate order of tshirts from USA :S
[13:01] <diddledan> morning
[13:01] <diddledan> foobarry, maybe they decided you needed two
[13:01] <foobarry> i ordered 2 types, received 2 of each
[13:01] <foobarry> gonna have to get in touch with them
[13:02] <foobarry> postage to USA pricey though
[13:54] <popey> foobarry, surely they'll pay that, or more likely just let you keep it
[13:54] <foobarry> yeah, you'd think so
[13:54] <popey> I know someone who got sent double quantity of sofas
[13:54] <popey> they didnt want them back
[13:54] <Myrtti> I got a double quantity of digital cameras once
[13:54] <dogmatic69__> foobarry: by law you can keep it with no cost
[13:55] <Myrtti> and I couldn't even return the other, because the system saw me getting only one
[13:55] <foobarry> i'd like to ask them first
[13:55] <diddledan> http://www.sciencealert.com/li-fi-tested-in-the-real-world-for-the-first-time-is-100-times-faster-than-wi-fi
[13:55] <diddledan> interesting concept
[13:55] <diddledan> I'm wondering how you communicate back to the light-fitting tho
[13:56] <dogmatic69__> foobarry: its to stop companies 'accidentally' sending extra and then asking people to pay up.
[13:59] <bashrc_> I remember discussing that li-fi idea in a job interview long ago
[13:59] <bashrc_> at a company which made lights
[14:12] <foobarry> i get 2 notifications from thunderbird. one is the desktop notifications, one is an ugly one at bottom of screen - how do i turn that off?
[14:19] <MooDoo> ubuntu spotted - http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/how-a-group-of-neighbors-created-their-own-internet-service/ 1m 27 mark :)
[14:22] <SuperMatt> It's so much easier to spot ubuntu in the wild than any other distro
[14:22] <SuperMatt> I wonder why that could be
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> less windows 8 around these days? :-)
[14:24] <diddledan> SuperMatt, brown
[14:24] <diddledan> oh wait, we lost that these days. orange then
[14:24] <diddledan> or purple
[14:29] <MooDoo> it's aubergine not purple :p ;)
[14:37] <awilkins> Lifi : just communicate back with wifi
[14:37] <awilkins> No doubt designed for the common notion that people download more data than they upload
[14:37] <Seeker`> Myrtti: a real shame that you got a 2nd camera :P
[14:38] <Myrtti> well neither of them were for me
[14:38] <Myrtti> so one family got a camera in Finland and other in UK as a Christmas present
[14:39] <awilkins> The only time I want gigabit speeds upstream is when I sync my Windows 7 VM from my laptop to my desktop
[15:04] <diddledan> oh dear, a turkey has killed a rusky
[15:04] <diddledan> http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/turkish-warplane-shoots-down-russian-6888744
[15:04] <zmoylan-pi> techincally one of the ruskies was captured alive... won't end well
[15:07] <diddledan> https://www.google.com/intl/en-GB/starwars/
[15:09] <MooDoo> diddledan: dark side here :D
[15:30] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Both dead
[19:54] <mapps> urgh
[19:54] <mapps> another rubbish night at the casino, so boring here
[19:56] <mapps> won money, but its still soul destroying
[20:54] <diddledan> yawn
[20:54] <diddledan> ello mapps
[20:57] <mapps> hey
[20:57] <mapps> i like how every idiot at the casinos is smarter than everyone else/better off/good job , then it turns out ..no they work in a bar
[20:57] <mapps> lol
[20:58] <mapps> why do people have to lie so much
[20:59] <diddledan> donno, but my 200ft yacht had a great party at the weekend ;-)
[20:59] <diddledan> (that was a lie)
[21:00] <zmoylan-pi> you were there by yourself...
[21:00] <diddledan> yeah, the party suckecd
[21:00] <diddledan> sucked*
[21:00] <mapps> :D
[21:01] <diddledan> still at least the staff were friendly
[21:01] <diddledan> (lie)
[21:21] <popey> "every idiot at the casinos"
[21:23] <mapps> well
[21:23] <mapps> people that tell me i should play perect pairs at like 4/1 or whatever
[21:23] <mapps> ridiculous odds
[21:24] <mapps> im a gambler, but i know what odds stuff should be
[21:24] <mapps> im terrible at my own gambling ;) for the company already made 1.5mil since june lol
[21:27] <mapps> it pays for my "luxury living" apartment, 1500 quid a month for this pokey dump ..but i dont want to move to spain
[21:48] <diddledan> why are randoms following me on teh twits?
[21:48] <diddledan> @crimealertsusa is the latest random
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> bots follow random people, people follow random people in hope they follow back to increase the # of their followers
[21:49] <diddledan> some guy called @AndrewMayne is following me
[21:49] <diddledan> he's supposedly an award winning author
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> a lot of authors follow people to push their books....
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> they usually have longest densest bios
[21:50] <diddledan> he's apparently the star of "Don't trust andrew mayne" on the A&E network
[21:53] <diddledan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ddsknofqlgyofm/Screenshot%202015-11-24%2021.53.54.png?dl=0
[21:54] <diddledan> not many
[21:57] <zmoylan-pi> kinda how snowden felt when he joined twitter :-)
[22:01] <diddledan> lol, yeah, if you're famous you really should turn off twitter emails
[22:11] <mapps> diddledan
[22:11] <mapps> i always get that
[22:11] <mapps> loadsa random follower reqs
[22:11] <diddledan> I want to know how they decide who to follow
[22:13] <zmoylan-pi> peobably scanning peoples bios or locations
[22:13] <diddledan> if it's locations then why would @CrimeAlertsUSA follow me?
[22:14] <diddledan> hint. I'm not in murrica
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> maybe they assumed your an american if you follow mostly american accounts or are just eejits
[22:18] <diddledan> methinks they're somewhat more strongly worded than eejit
[22:18] <diddledan> f**king ***hole morons
[22:18] <zmoylan-pi> well it's a good enough description for a family friendly channel
[22:28] <diddledan> hmm, freenas mini discount
[22:29] * diddledan waits for the email to load
[22:30] <diddledan> meh, that's expensive
[22:30] <diddledan> 4TB for 1.2k$
[22:30] <diddledan> 8TB for 1.3k$
[22:30] <diddledan> 1.4**
[22:30] <diddledan> 12TB for 1.5k$
[22:31] <diddledan> 16TB for 1.7k$
[22:31] <diddledan> or the top end 24TB for 2.25k$
[22:36] <daftykins> hmm i've definitely put together those for cheaper
[23:12] <daftykins> http://anandtech.com/show/9815/amd-moves-pre-gcn-gpus-to-legacy
[23:12] <daftykins> many many abandoned cards
[23:20] <diddledan> ouch
[23:20] <diddledan> I'm almost glad I bricked my 6850 :-p
[23:20] <diddledan> sorry, 6870
[23:20] * diddledan just double checked the number
[23:22] <daftykins> you did? not via BIOS malarkey?
[23:24] <diddledan> yeah
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think i've ever blown a video card... not from want of trying mind you... :-)
[23:26] <daftykins> ah could your recent purchase not help with that?
[23:26] <diddledan> donno
[23:27] <diddledan> it'ld require pulling the shield off to find any headers but that's too much hassle :-p
[23:27] <daftykins> diddledan: or you know, if you have a mobo with two PEG slots you could reflash it
[23:27] <zmoylan-pi> serial, parralel, usb, modems, isdn, scsi, scanners, sounds cards blown to kingdom come but never a video card for some reason...
[23:27] <diddledan> that's a point
[23:27] <daftykins> make it sew!
[23:27] <diddledan> I didn't think of plugging two cards into the machine
[23:28] <diddledan> I'm not sure I've still got the bios tho
[23:28] <daftykins> easily obtained online
[23:29] <daftykins> diddledan: example - https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/index.php?manufacturer=Sapphire&model=HD+6850
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[04:12] <freakyy> wie heissen nochmal die musik pass stores?
[04:12] <freakyy> jetzt nicht von microsoft groove music
[04:12] <freakyy> aber noch die anderen
[14:15] <freakyy> hi all. kann mir jemand sagen, was das is wenn der bildschirm einen weis-stich kriegt nachdem er schwarz war wegen idle? also bildschirm-standby
[14:16] <freakyy> ich muss jedesmal rebooten
[14:38] <Guest99250> hallo
[14:38] <k1l_> hi
[14:39] <Guest99250> ich habe das problem dass wenn ich eine bestehende ubuntu 14.04 version mit einer neuen ubuntu 14.04 installation überschreiben will ( von usb ) dass dann die fehlermeldung kommt "ein versuch apt zu konfigurieren um weitere pakete von der cd zu installieren ist fehlgeschlagen"
[14:39] <Guest99250> kann mir da jemand helfen?
[14:40] <Guest99250> der stick wurde mit unetbootin bootable gemacht
[14:43] <Guest99250> ich verzweifele hier langsam...
[14:45] <k1l_> was für ein iso ist da genau benutzt worden?
[14:45] <k1l_> unetbootin verändert auch das iso für deren eigenes bootmenü. versuch mal einfach das orginal ubunut.iso mit "dd" auf den usb zu schreiben. dann sollte das auch klappen
[14:45] <Guest99250> die wurde von unetbootin heruntergeladen. ubuntu 14.04live64
[14:46] <freakyy> hi all. kann mir jemand sagen, was das is wenn der bildschirm einen weis-stich kriegt nachdem er schwarz war wegen idle? also bildschirm-standby
[14:46] <freakyy> ich muss jedesmal rebooten
[14:46] <k1l_> zieh dir mal besser selber das iso https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Downloads/Trusty_Tahr und dann mit dd draufballern: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/dd#Live-USB-Stick-erstellen
[14:47] <Guest99250> ok danke ich werde es versuchen
[14:47] <Guest99250> aber
[14:47] <freakyy> ach und weiss jemand wie oder woe ich nen update kriege wenn fglrx pakete aktualisiert werden? also einmal das von amd ... und einmal das von ubuntu paket?
[14:47] <Guest99250> muss ich den stick dann nochmal manuell formatieren, oder überschreibt und formatiert der befehl den stick?
[14:47] <freakyy> ich muss mal guggn
[14:48] <k1l_> bei der nutzung von dd nur darauf achten auf den usb stick (also /dev/sdx) zu schreiben und nicht auf eine partition /sdx1 oder sdx2)
[14:48] <freakyy> brb
[14:48] <k1l_> Guest99250: dd macht das alles. der plättet den stick und macht dann das iso da drauf in einem
[14:48] <Guest99250> super danke. ich versuche es
[14:54] <Guest99250> wenn der pfad zum stick /dev/sdb1 ist, ist dann dieses kommando richtig? "sudo dd if=ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64(1).iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=1M && sync"
[14:55] <k1l_> nee, nicht sdb1
[14:56] <k1l_> nur sdb
[14:56] <k1l_> und die klammer wirst du da escapen müssen. und du musst im selben ordner der datei sein.
[14:57] <k1l_> also am besten machst du ein "cd Downloads" (ich geh mal davon aus, dass das iso da liegt) und dann nutzt du einfach nachdem du "sudo dd if=ubuntu-14" geschrieben hast die tabulator taste um den dateinamen vervollständigen zu lassen :)
[15:01] <Guest99250> ok
[15:02] <Guest99250> aber in unetbootin wird der stick als /dev/sdb1 angezeigt
[15:03] <k1l_> ist vollkommen egal was unetbootin sagt :)
[15:03] <Guest99250> ok
[15:03] <Guest99250> also sudo dd if=ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=1M && sync
[15:03] <Guest99250> hab das (1) gelöscht aus dem dateinamen im downloadordner
[15:04] <k1l_> immenroch ohne die 1 bei sdb
[15:04] <Guest99250> ach sorry ja danke ... ich versuchs dann jetzt
[15:04] <k1l_> du musst das iso direkt auf den usb stick (sdb) schreiben und nicht in eine partition auf dem usb stick (sdb1)
[15:04] <Guest99250> sudo dd if=ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M && sync
[15:05] <Guest99250> verstehe das sdb1 ist eine partition auf dem stick
[15:18] <Guest99250> sieht gut aus. danke k1l_
[15:43] <freakyy> k1l_: so ich hab jetzt nen bugreport gemacht einmal bei amd direkt und einmal bei dem package in launchpad
[15:43] <freakyy> wegen dem fglrx treiber
[15:43] <freakyy> vielleicht kann mir ja jemand von denen helfen
[15:43] <freakyy> wäre echt nett
[15:44] <freakyy> weil ich kann so kein gw2 spielen das is unmöglich ruckelt alles
[17:21] <freakyy> sagtmal, ich war grad im bios hab eigentlich nix umgestellt aufeinmal sagt der mir unable to do secure boot - operating system invalid. dann bin ich ins bios ahb das ausgestellt jetzt gehts wieder
[17:21] <freakyy> aber hat das nicht eigentlich funktioniert? oO
[22:53] <koala_survives> Hi. Maybe not related but does one of you know if RHCE is about RHEL7 or the previous ones? This because of systemd init system.
[22:56] * k1l_ wonders what that redhat talk is supposed to be in the german ubuntu channel :)
[22:57] <koala_survives> k1l_: anderen channels sind verboten fur mich. Ich muss also registreren
[22:59] <k1l_> koala_survives: #ubuntu-offtopic (english) or #ubuntu-de-offtopic are the social/offtopic channels from the community. i bet there are some redhat channels too, you can ask alis /msg alis list *keyword* for the channels
[23:00] <koala_survives> k1l_: ok. Danke schon. Geh ich weiter :).
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-nz
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[18:03] <ibeardslee> morning
[22:09] <chilts> morning
[23:00] <mwhudson> you know you're having a good day when rdiff-backup segfaults
[23:03] <olly_> afternoon
[23:31] <ibeardslee> ouch
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-meeting
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[15:23] <Emerling> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Emerling jqmywahqolgm
[15:23] <tsimonq2> 0.0
[15:23] * Emerling sorry
[15:36] <pcimagen> Hola
[15:37] <pcimagen> somebody here?
[15:37] <Emerling> Hi, team ubuntu-ve ready . thanks members
[15:37] <pcimagen> o/ Emerling
[15:38] <naudy> Emerling: o/
[15:39] <naudy> Abr1l: o/
[15:39] <Abr1l> naudy, ;)
[15:42] <naudy> Lord_System: o/
[15:42] <Lord_System> naudy o/
[15:47] <AndChat|683156> Hi
[15:47] <AndChat|683156> Test from android
[15:47] <AndChat|683156> Abr1l: hola
[15:50] <Abr1l> AndChat|683156, /nick ;)
[15:51] <AndChat|683156> Soy pcimagen
[15:53] <Abr1l> AndChat|683156, so /nick pcimagen ;)
[15:59] <naudy> k15h4: o/
[16:00] <k15h4> .o/
[16:00] <jgrimm> hi there.
[16:00] <jgrimm> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 24 16:00:39 2015 UTC. The chair is jgrimm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:00] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:00] <kickinz1> o/
[16:00] <matsubara> o/
[16:00] <caribou> o/
[16:01] <jgrimm> might be a light turnout today.. a good number of server team are out on vacation
[16:01] <thedac> o/
[16:01] <jgrimm> hi folks!
[16:01] <arges> o/
[16:01] <jgrimm> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <jgrimm> So all 3 of the action items were for rbasak who is on vacation this week
[16:02] <jgrimm> rbasak look at https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/lvm-grub-preseed-fix/+merge/258620 and https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-test-cases/fix_minimal_image_size_test/+merge/235298
[16:02] <jgrimm> that one looks done..
[16:02] <matsubara> jgrimm, I believe rbasak replied to the list addressing his action points
[16:02] <jgrimm> matsubara, oh...good to know. i missed that
[16:02] <jgrimm> will go quickly then
[16:03] <jgrimm> rbasak to create blueprint for Xenial feature work
[16:03] <jgrimm> that too is done.
[16:03] <jgrimm> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-x-server-core
[16:03] <jgrimm> See that link for various package assignments
[16:04] <matsubara> jgrimm, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2015-November/007141.html
[16:04] <jgrimm> thanks matsubara!
[16:04] <matsubara> np
[16:05] <jgrimm> moving along, looks like final one still in process, so will continue action for that one
[16:06] <jgrimm> #action rbasak to find kickinz1 a merge to do. In progress, suggesting exim4.
[16:06] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to find kickinz1 a merge to do. In progress, suggesting exim4.
[16:06] <jgrimm> on we go..
[16:06] <kickinz1> Ok
[16:06] <jgrimm> #topic Xenial Development
[16:07] <jgrimm> Still in merge/sync mode...
[16:07] <jgrimm> anyone have anything they want to discuss here?
[16:08] <jgrimm> rbasak is still looking for volunteers for some merges. Documented in blueprint.
[16:08] <kickinz1> working on the docker.io one currently.
[16:08] <jgrimm> kickinz1, always a fun one. eek
[16:10] <jgrimm> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:10] <caribou> jgrimm: I'll have a look at the list to see if I can h elp
[16:10] <jgrimm> thanks caribou!!
[16:10] <jgrimm> Anything on bugs?
[16:10] <caribou> just uploaded makedumpfile/kdump-tools to Debian
[16:10] <caribou> the upcoming version will default to enabled and use of smaller initrd.img
[16:11] <caribou> that's all I have
[16:11] <jgrimm> k. thanks caribou
[16:11] <jgrimm> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:11] <matsubara> jgrimm, no news for this week.
[16:11] <jgrimm> ok thanks matsubara
[16:11] <jgrimm> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:11] <smb> I cannot think of anything to report. Are there requests or questions?
[16:12] <jgrimm> going once
[16:13] <jgrimm> and gone. thanks smb.
[16:13] <jgrimm> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:14] <jgrimm> Only thing I saw was OSCON CFP deadline today
[16:14] <jgrimm> http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/open-source/public/cfp/423
[16:14] <jgrimm> #link http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/open-source/public/cfp/423
[16:15] <jgrimm> Anything else?
[16:15] <kickinz1> pycon?
[16:15] * jgrimm checks quick
[16:16] <kickinz1> Sorry from the canonical-tech, but seems not relevant (namibia)
[16:17] <kickinz1> http://na.pycon.org/
[16:17] <cpaelzer> jgrimm, when are we going to adress systemz conference CFPs ?
[16:18] <jgrimm> cpaelzer, :)
[16:18] <jgrimm> kickinz1, finally found the CFP date
[16:19] <jgrimm> The call for proposals expires on the 15th December 2015.
[16:19] <jgrimm> ok, moving on
[16:19] <jgrimm> #topic Open Discussion
[16:20] <jgrimm> anyone have anything for open discussion time??
[16:21] <jgrimm> ok, time to wrap things up then. assumed it would be quick one with smoser and rbasak out this week.
[16:21] <jgrimm> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:21] <jgrimm> The next meeting will be Tue Dec 01 16:00 UTC 2015. kickinz1 will chair.
[16:22] <jgrimm> Thanks folks!
[16:22] <kickinz1> Thanks!
[16:22] <caribou> thanks!
[16:22] <jgrimm> #endmeeting
[16:22] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 16:22:18 2015 UTC.
[16:22] <meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-11-24-16.00.moin.txt
[17:00] <pitti> o/
[17:00] <stgraber> pitti: we're in #ubuntu-meeting-2
[17:00] <pitti> argh
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-gnome
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[06:42] <darkxst> ricotz, NVIDIA 358 working for you?
[06:47] <ricotz> darkxst, yes
[06:47] <darkxst> it blew up here, with an un-useful, can't initialize kernel module message from X
[06:47] <ricotz> you used the ppa, right?
[06:48] <darkxst> ricotz, yeh the ~graphics-drivers one
[06:48] <ricotz> the module actually got built?
[06:48] <ricotz> "dkms status"?
[06:50] <darkxst> pretty sure it built, but had to revert now
[06:51] <darkxst> i'll try again when I actually have time to debug
[06:51] <ricotz> hmm, alright
[06:52] <darkxst> its my main desktop PC, can't just leave it broken for days ;0
[06:52] <ricotz> I see, better use 352 then
[06:53] <darkxst> thats what I reverted too, and was probably on before
[06:53] <ricotz> alrght, just saying skip 355
[06:55] <darkxst> yes I did
[07:00] <darkxst> ricotz, any idea if gnome-screenshot is actually still needed these days? now that gnome-shell handles all that?
[07:00] <darkxst> (in the seeds)
[07:01] <ricotz> darkxst, it has some more options like the delay
[07:03] <darkxst> yeh, I guess that is true
[07:04] <darkxst> and I suppose the shell keybindings, are a mystery to most
[07:08] <darkxst> ricotz, latest gtk+ in xenial is borked by some patch larsu reverted, pushed a fix to staging until I can discuss with him
[07:08] <darkxst> bug 1518661, seems to have hit most DE's excepy Unity
[07:09] <ricotz> darkxst, I know, and a complained about some days ago
[07:09] * darkxst should probably update more often ;)
[07:10] <ricotz> nice to see they care...
[07:10] <darkxst> and I fail to see how setting a background will workaround apparent frame sync issues
[07:10] <darkxst> at best it will just make it less ugly for them
[07:11] <ricotz> yeah
[07:12] <darkxst> perhaps fixing compiz is too hard
[07:12] <ricotz> btw, providing 3.20 in the ppa might be a pain while gtk+ breaks themes a lot
[07:13] <darkxst> ricotz, how bad is the css nodes break things?
[07:13] <ricotz> I can imagine, man power is limited as well afaics
[07:13] <ricotz> it simply makes current themes unusable
[07:13] <darkxst> technically adwaita is the only supported them on gnome3-staging
[07:14] <darkxst> atleast that is what I tell anyone who complains on the mailing lists
[07:14] <ricotz> gnome-terminal behaves pretty funky too ;)
[07:14] <darkxst> about broken third party themes
[07:15] <ricotz> is there some ubuntu patch tweaking with the window size?
[07:16] <darkxst> I don't think so, but background size is definately tweaked in ubuntu themes
[07:17] <ricotz> I think I have seen this in the past, while the terminal content changes the window gets smaller everytime
[07:18] <darkxst> never seen that
[07:22] <darkxst> re ppa, how about we just move the remaing X bits into gnome3 and go ahead and break staging
[07:22] <darkxst> i'll get the media guys to make an announcement
[07:23] <darkxst> but at this point we don't have many using xenial, little alone with gnome3-staging
[07:23] <darkxst> s/X bits/xenial bits/
[07:31] <darkxst> ricotz, ^
[07:32] <ricotz> darkxst, elaborate "remaing X bits"
[07:32] <darkxst> ricotz, I meant xenial bits
[07:32] <ricotz> so you mean 3.18 updates
[07:32] <darkxst> yes
[07:33] <darkxst> g-o-a transition is likely to happen soon, but it will be reverted to webkit1 most likely to start, like what is on ubuntu-desktop ppa
[07:34] <ricotz> webkit1 ?!?
[07:34] <ricotz> sounds like gee all over again
[07:34] <darkxst> ricotz, still battling to get webkit2gtk into main
[07:35] <darkxst> they won't take both webkit
[07:35] <darkxst> in main
[07:35] <darkxst> my latest idea
Laney, though I do wonder, can't we drop the ancient webkit2gtk build from webkitgtk source and add webkit2gtk to main? thats gotta be better than the current situation, and the transition from webkit2gtk-3.0 to -4.0 should be easy
[07:36] <darkxst> actually some people don't want webkit in main at all, but that is not exactly feasible until the drop the enitre GNOME core from Ubuntu
[07:37] <ricotz> darkxst, hmm, sounds good, if nothing is using webkit2gtk-3.0
[07:38] <darkxst> ricotz, there is stuff linked against it, but should be an easy enough transition
[07:39] <ricotz> right, unless it is in main
[07:39] <darkxst> ricotz, most of the r-deps have already been updated upstream for the -3.0 to -4.0
[07:40] <darkxst> things like yelp, devhelp etc
[07:40] <ricotz> anjuta, builder, gitg
[07:41] <darkxst> builder yes
[07:41] <darkxst> other two havent checked
[07:42] <darkxst> gitg yes
[07:42] <darkxst> anjuta, probably yes
[07:44] <ricotz> I see
[07:44] <ricotz> bbl
[10:30] <Forage> good morning
[10:31] <Forage> the live cd nightly builds of at least November 17 until now suffer from being unable to login. It shows a broken login screen instead of booting into GNOME Shell right away. Supplying the username "ubuntu" with no password does not allow me to login. Is there any other way?
[10:31] <darkxst> hi Forage
[10:31] <darkxst> that is fixed now
[10:31] <Forage> \o/
[10:31] <darkxst> and our username is actually ubuntu-gnome ;)
[10:31] <Forage> ah, I didn't include the dash in my attempts
[10:31] <darkxst> no password
[10:32] <darkxst> but the images are fixed as of last night
[10:32] <Forage> is it already working in the latest available nightly?
[10:32] <Forage> great
[10:33] <darkxst> yes, just took a few days to get sponsored, I don't have upload rights yet to the core stuff
[10:35] <Forage> also, for some reason I don't get to see the splash screen any more. My monitors just go to stand-by when booting and shutting down. Is there a way to perform some sort of reset on that part of the distro? I could be because I had to resort back to the opensource video card drivers instead of AMD's fglrx for other reasons
[10:35] <darkxst> Forage, you should always see the splash screen
[10:36] <Forage> Should, yes :-P
[10:36] <darkxst> only on NVIDIA blobs its text one
[10:36] <Forage> I worked before, also on the live cd
[10:36] <Forage> but not any more
[10:37] <darkxst> file a bug
[10:37] <Forage> So now I get to see the boot sequence, then my monitors go to standby, then I get the login screen
[10:37] <darkxst> other than the transition between splash and gdm not being seemless
[10:38] <Forage> To what package to I file it? GDM already at that stage?
[10:38] <darkxst> yes there is a glitch there, but it shouldnt cause sleep
[10:39] <darkxst> Forage, for xenial gdm3
[10:39] <Forage> I'm on Wily
[10:39] <darkxst> for wily gdm, but would be appreciated if you could test it on xenial also
[10:40] <Forage> The live cd's for Wily and Xenial work as expected
[10:42] <Forage> This is what I did to get back to the open source drivers: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Trusty_Installation_Guide#Removing_Catalyst.2Ffglrx
[10:42] <Forage> So I figured a reinstall of some other additional package might fix the issue
[10:43] <darkxst> Forage, that is not breaking your plymouth
[10:49] <Forage> The only thing I can think of is "sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon" caused the removal of "xserver-xorg-video-all" as well. This package, however, didn't get installed again afterwards though. It looks like just a meta package however. If I install it it doesn't require any additional packages. Could this be the cause still?
[11:03] <Forage> darn, it's still the 23 Nov. nightly that's available which I downloaded again
[11:08] <darkxst> Forage, just reinstall xserver-xorg-core should be enough to blow away propietry cobwebs I think
[11:09] <darkxst> Forage, use zsync ;) 23'rd image had the live session fixes
[11:10] <Forage> That's what I did as part of the removal process. Is there a way to reconfigure plymouth somehow?
[11:10] <Forage> Where can I find zsync's image?
[11:11] <darkxst> its a link,feed this to zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[11:11] <darkxst> and it just downloads the delta each time you want to update
[11:11] <Forage> There is a ".zsync" file at "http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/" but I figure it's not the same
[11:11] <Forage> ah
[11:12] <darkxst> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[11:12] <Forage> That will hopefully save some download time now that I'm on a crap connection for the time being
[11:13] <darkxst> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[11:16] <Forage> It results in a file with the exact same size, can that be right
[11:16] <Forage> ?
[11:17] <darkxst> Forage, it should download the full image the first time
[11:17] <darkxst> and then delta downloads when you update
[11:18] <darkxst> worst case being about 50% if you switch series
[11:18] <Forage> great
[11:18] <darkxst> if you update daily, shouldnt be more than 10%
[11:19] <darkxst> or less
[11:19] <darkxst> gtg
[11:19] <Forage> Cheers
[13:16] <LinDol> hi all :)
[14:05] <lindol> hi all
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-x
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[12:19] <tseliot> mamarley: I'm looking at the diff in
[12:19] <tseliot> your packages
[12:20] <tseliot> mamarley: and I think we want to use the standard EGL libraries in power saving mode, since we're using intel there
[12:21] <tseliot> which means I also have to update gpu-manager to make the switch
[12:21] * tseliot -> lunch
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-it-meeting
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[13:39] <mapreri> you gotta kidding me v2
[13:39] <mapreri> http://liste.ubuntu-it.org/pipermail/ubuntu-it-fcm/2015-November/016256.html
[13:39] <mapreri> http://liste.ubuntu-it.org/pipermail/ubuntu-it-fcm/2015-November/016257.html
[13:39] <mapreri> oops
[13:39] <mapreri> (sorry, -ECHAN)
[13:50] <Dix78> mapreri, non spammare informazioni di questo tipo. Soprattutto evitiamo di far vedere che tipo di membri circolano in FCM lol
[13:54] <mapreri> eheh
[13:54] <mapreri> Dix78: mi è sfuggita, questo chan è subito sotto a quell'altro nella lista :)
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-server
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[03:26] <neonixcoder> hi team, this is general question not specific to Ubuntu but this is happening on Ubunut. So I am asking it here..
[03:28] <neonixcoder> We have a script which monitors network connections, if there is no network connection(3G connection) it just tries to enable networking. If this is not working out, this script will reboot the system. And these reboots happens, untill we get network connectivity back.
[03:28] <neonixcoder> The issue is after 5 bad pings, this script is not writing anything to log file. We tried to replicate this in lab, and everything working fine..
[03:29] <neonixcoder> bit strange and I am not able to conclude what is happening with the script.
[03:29] <neonixcoder> any suggestions?
[03:29] <patdk-lap> based on that info? none at all
[03:29] <patdk-lap> it did not provide any useful info
[03:29] <neonixcoder> the file system is rw mode, so read-only mode is eliminated..
[03:30] <sarnold> pastebin the script?
[03:30] <sarnold> pastebin how you're running the script?
[03:30] <neonixcoder> How are you Arnold?
[03:30] <neonixcoder> Give me 2 mins..!
[03:30] <patdk-lap> what the filesystem is and what is the reboot?
[03:30] <sarnold> not bad, surprised how quickly the weekend went, but not bad :) you?
[03:31] * patdk-lap is just upset he debugged for 2hours why a patch wasn't working
[03:31] <patdk-lap> to come to find, the patch was not installed
[03:32] <patdk-lap> and to find, myself from 2years ago, was smarter than I am today :)
[03:32] <neonixcoder> http://pastebin.com/6ymadTvb
[03:32] <neonixcoder> I am good Arnold, thanks for asking..
[03:33] <sarnold> patdk-lap: oh yeah, been there. It's especially fun to find my own answers on stack overflow.
[03:33] <patdk-lap> add some syncs in there
[03:34] <patdk-lap> not sure what kick_watchdog.sh does
[03:34] <patdk-lap> but it doesn't sound filesystem friendly
[03:34] <patdk-lap> sounds more like, yank power
[03:34] <sarnold> poor dog
[03:36] <neonixcoder> patdk-lap: It is just a watchdog script which is poweroff the machine completely and boots after 5 seconds.
[03:36] <patdk-lap> yes, but exactly how?
[03:36] <neonixcoder> Up to 104 line it is fine, but 105 line on words I dont see any logs..
[03:36] <patdk-lap> it matters if the kernel has time to write everything to disk or not
[03:36] <patdk-lap> watchdogs normally don't
[03:37] <neonixcoder> patdk-lap: We have a c code in that kick_watchdog.sh script which take care of kicking power off.
[03:37] <patdk-lap> so it's not friendly
[03:38] <patdk-lap> at the top of kick_watchdog.sh add sync command
[03:38] <patdk-lap> should help
[03:38] <neonixcoder> patdk-lap: what you mean by not friendly?
[03:38] <sarnold> it doesn't give the filesystem a chance to sync, umount, etc
[03:39] <neonixcoder> patdk-lap: We can not use sync as we deliberately delayed writting to disk by 30mins in kernel.. but when we do kick_Watchdog.sh run, it have sync included.
[03:39] <neonixcoder> sarnlod: Can you explain a bit?
[03:40] <sarnold> neonixcoder: the kernel will buffer writes until some convenient time in the future
[03:40] <sarnold> writes to files don't happen immediately, they happen at only certain points
[03:41] <neonixcoder> yes..
[03:41] <patdk-lap> even worse if mapper stack is used
[03:41] <sarnold> so the usual thing to do is to run sync to make sure that those changes have been flushed to disk, and if you can umount the filesystem first, that's even better
[03:41] <neonixcoder> sarnold: my script struck up there like 2 to 3 days with out writing anything to log file. just a note, we sync data to disk every 30mins.
[03:42] <sarnold> btw, all these 'sudo' in here seem funny
[03:42] <sarnold> does this run as root? or not?
[03:42] <neonixcoder> :)
[03:42] <neonixcoder> I know it sarnlod, I am going to modify it.
[03:42] <sarnold> if it doesn't run as root, is sudo configured to allow it to run those commands without prompting and so no?
[03:43] <neonixcoder> This is written while back, if I past you actual script, you will laugh at me ;)
[03:43] <sarnold> note that the sudo foo >> bar may not work as you want. everyone gets tripped up with that..
[03:45] <neonixcoder> sarnold: Yup, I am going to remove sudo from it.
[03:46] <neonixcoder> sarnold: will that helps?
[03:48] <sarnold> neonixcoder: unlikely
[03:48] <neonixcoder> yes.. this script was running for a while with out any issue.
[03:49] <neonixcoder> We are seeing this issue recently on couple of servers..
[03:49] <neonixcoder> Our servers are connected to network through 3G, if there is no 3G network, our script tries to disable/enable for some time. If its unable to bring network, it will reboot machine.
[03:51] <neonixcoder> If there is no network for 10 mins, the system will be rebooted. At the time of reboot, system disks are synced. so there is no point why my script is unable to write to disk.
[03:51] <neonixcoder> Any suggetions?
[03:52] <sarnold> are you sure the machines arent hung entirely?
[03:53] <neonixcoder> They dont hung..
[03:55] <neonixcoder> Y'day we sent a technician to see if can login. And he is able to do that. I ran some simple tests like checking network connectivity(Which is not there at the time of testing), weather my script is running or not(ps -ef | grep scriptname shows that script is running), I tried to create empty files to see file system is not mounted as readonly and I am able to create empty file as well.
[03:56] <neonixcoder> And the funny part is, I am unable to replicate in our lab.
[03:56] <neonixcoder> Our script is doing what it is meant for.
[03:56] <sarnold> you've got a shell ona system that's showing the issue? that's awesome; you can attach strace to it and find out what it's doing :)
[03:57] <sarnold> strace -f -o /tmp/strace.log -p pid
[03:57] <patdk-lap> you sure the pci_modem status program isn't hanging?
[03:57] <patdk-lap> due the the 3g issue
[03:58] <neonixcoder> great, sarnold. I forgot to do this.
[03:58] <neonixcoder> I will do this when we see this issue again.
[03:59] <neonixcoder> and see if I can find, what our script is doing.
[04:00] <sarnold> good point, if any of the called programs hang, it might be hard to tell it apart..
[04:01] <patdk-lap> well, we where assuming it rebooted
[04:01] <patdk-lap> but if it isn't :)
[04:01] <sarnold> hehe
[04:02] <neonixcoder> patdk-lap: I too have same doubt about pci_modem status program. I will try to check next time when it happens..
[04:05] <patdk-lap> add a timeout timer to it
[04:05] <patdk-lap> in shell script, that could be annoying though
[04:05] <sarnold> a watchdog for the watchdog script :)
[04:05] * sarnold runms
[04:06] <patdk-lap> well, the watchdog script doesn't have a proper gun
[04:08] <neonixcoder> patdk-lap: The status command worked fine till 4 bad pings.. have a look at my log file at http://pastebin.com/eztiyvub
[04:09] <neonixcoder> patdk-lap: From the 5th bad ping, it stopeed writing to log file, I see other programs are able write to same log file successfully.
[12:25] <SyncopatedFool> Having trouble setting up postfix on Ubuntu server, I have POP3 working properly, but SMTP without authentication won't allow me to send outgoing mail, and I am having troubles setting up authentication.
[12:26] <SyncopatedFool> mainly I have the configuration set up fine, but I have no clue how to setup the auth key to make it work
[12:47] <SyncopatedFool> Having trouble setting up postfix on Ubuntu server, I have POP3 working properly, but SMTP without authentication won't allow me to send outgoing mail, and I am having troubles setting up authentication.
[12:47] <SyncopatedFool> mainly I have the configuration set up fine, but I have no clue how to setup the auth key to make it work
[12:49] <SyncopatedFool> been using this guide to set up smtp auth, but failing at proving authentication http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/smtp_auth_mailclients.html
[14:23] <eahmedshendy> Is that right that Ubuntu 14.04 the last version with Upstart ? I'm studying Upstart to add some scripts at the boot time, but someone told me it is deprecated with systemd?
[14:30] <TJ-> eahmedshendy: it's optional on 15.04, and not used on 15.10
[14:53] <eahmedshendy> TJ-: Ok, now we are working on Ubuntu 14.04, and I am studying Upstart, Am I wrong?
[14:53] <eahmedshendy> I have this error:http://paste.ubuntu.com/13492759/
[15:12] <eahmedshendy> Hi, anybody here?
[15:32] <teward> rbasak: ping
[15:33] <jgrimm> teward, fyi rbasak is out on holiday all this week
[15:34] <teward> ok
[15:34] <teward> then nevermind :)
[15:34] * teward yawns
[15:34] <teward> (it's only the nginx merge that's blocked because testing is in failure state due to the sbuild schroots being busted by a bad bug in ubuntu)
[16:23] <jgrimm> cpaelzer, feel free to add yourself to the irc meeting rotation -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:33] <cpaelzer> jgrimm: done
[16:35] <jgrimm> thanks!
[18:34] <Sazpaimon> when building an ubuntu server AMI, is there a known list of directories/files to clear/empty out in order to have a clean image?
[18:34] <Sazpaimon> I know stuff like things in /var/log, and maybe .bash_history, but I can't think of anything else
[18:35] <Sazpaimon> I also dont know if completely deleting the contents of /var/log is safe
[18:35] <sarnold> probably /etc/ssh stuff too, to ensure you generate a unique host key on reboot ..
[18:35] <helo> where does openssh-server log to?
[18:35] <helo> i see it is set to use AUTH syslog, but i see nothing in syslog or auth.log
[18:36] <sarnold> /var/log/auth.log on my 14.04 lts system
[18:41] <patdk-wk> heh, /var/cache
[19:49] <jelly> where do VMs on amazon get their entropy from? Re: > generate a unique host key on reboot ..
[19:51] <sarnold> jelly: in theory they could use somethinglike virtio-rng http://wiki.qemu.org/Features-Done/VirtIORNG
[19:52] <sarnold> jelly: another option is touse an entropy-as-a-service tool such as pollinate to grab some entropy from a service such as entropy.ubuntu.com
[19:53] <sarnold> jelly: another option is to use something in cloud-init to provide a seed, but I'm not sure if that's pre-made and ready to go or not...
[19:56] <jelly> thanks, I was not aware of half that stuff
[21:15] <Logos01> Howdy, folks -- I'm trying to set up an stunnel connection between an Ubuntu 14.04 machine and a CentOS 7 machine -- I'm invoking stunnel4 as the client on the Ubuntu machine. The problem is that even though I've hard-coded the config file to use TLSv1, it's still giving me SSLv3 errors
[21:15] <Logos01> As though it's not using TLSv1 at all.
[21:15] <Logos01> Anyone run into this before?
[21:17] <Logos01> I keep getting "SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number" in /var/log/syslog
[21:20] <sarnold> that alone wouldn't worry me too much, there's enough similarity between sslv3 and tls1 that there's function re-use, keeping same names etc..
[21:20] <sarnold> try confirming both endpoints with openssl s_client or .. wireshark? ettercap? to try to figure out which specific protocol is being used
[21:23] <Logos01> Well, I've tried hard-coding tlsv1 and/or sslv3 on both ends and I keep getting that error.
[21:23] <Logos01> I keep seeing disconnects as well.
[21:30] <denbeiren> hi all,.. i was thinking if there is a distro or tool that specifies on "booting a buggy computer and backing up all of the standard data to a networklocation" type of thing
[21:32] <Logos01> Hrm... openssl s_client -connect ubuntu.machine:port -tls1 -CAfile /etc/stunnel/ca-chain.pem returns "no peer certificate available"
[21:32] <Logos01> What the devil did I do ... this was working a minute ago. :(
[23:03] <sarnold> denbeiren: knoppix is popular for that
[23:03] <sarnold> denbeiren: ubuntu livecd, if that still works..
[23:08] * teward pokes sarnold
[23:08] <sarnold> afternoon teward :)
[23:08] <teward> sarnold: got a few moments for a PM?
[23:09] <sarnold> sure
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[21:44] <chryss> :D
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[06:40] <morphis> robru: ping
[06:40] <robru> morphis: hola
[06:40] <morphis> robru: using 5.36.1 would be against what the core devs want
[06:40] <morphis> as that is touch the upstream version
[06:41] <morphis> so when I do that I can't use that silo anymore
[06:41] <robru> morphis: when you changed it to 0ubuntu2, did you change anything else outside debian? As changes outside debian/ modify the orig.tar, and having different orig.tars is not allowed with different -0ubuntuX versions
[06:42] <morphis> no, I didn't
[06:42] <morphis> robru: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~morphis/bluez/vivid-5.36-upgrade/revision/10 is the only thing I did
[06:42] <robru> morphis: oh, weird, I would have expected that to work as long as the orig.tar stayed the same there.
[06:43] <morphis> from https://code.launchpad.net/~morphis/bluez/vivid-5.36-upgrade/+merge/278302 rev 9 is what I uploaded first and 10 is the second
[06:43] <robru> morphis: ok well I guess that PPA is burned, you should abandon the request then reassign the same request (silos are assigned at random so you should get a different one), then try rebuilding
[06:43] <morphis> robru: however updating the MP would work then still, right?
[06:44] <robru> morphis: yeah if you get a new PPA you get to start over with a new orig.tar so it should work. also change it back to 0ubuntu1
[06:45] <morphis> even if I updated the MP then to have 0ubuntu2 after I did some additional changes?
[06:46] <robru> morphis: huh? if you start over in a new PPA you should use 0ubuntu1. Don't make too many mistakes though or you'll run out of PPAs
[06:46] <robru> morphis: currently 10 available silos, so you get 10 tries to build a working package I guess.
[06:46] <morphis> robru: hm, so basically everytime I change the MP I have to use a new silo, right?
[06:47] <robru> morphis: that's what it sounds like. I don't understand why the PPA didn't accept the upload though, it should have if the orig.tar was the same
[06:47] <robru> morphis: maybe poke a launchpad-y person about the upload failure
[06:48] <morphis> robru: let me do that
[06:50] <Mirv> morphis: it's useful to use the ~ character in version number for test builds (~ == lower than without), for example I always have 1.0-0ubuntu1~test1 etc
[06:51] <Mirv> if the build is not massively big one, it's pretty cheap then to do the final build when everything's confirmed
[06:51] <Mirv> but it does not matter that much, mainly if it takes tens of tries to get it correct it'd be a bit funny to ship ubuntu23 or something :)
[06:54] <mardy> robru: hi! Still there?
[06:54] <morphis> Mirv: yeah that would be thing to do but lets say I hand this over to QA and then QA finds a bug which I fix then I have to get a new silo etc. to get a new package version and using ~test1 isn't an option for that
[06:54] <robru> mardy: yeah
[06:54] <Mirv> morphis: sure
[06:54] <mardy> robru: I saw your comment about https://code.launchpad.net/~online-accounts/signon-plugin-sasl/packaging/+merge/274568
[06:54] <morphis> Mirv, robru: asked over in #launchpad about this
[06:55] <mardy> robru: so, this is a completely new package, it's not in the archives
[06:55] <robru> mardy: yes
[06:55] <mardy> robru: is the ci-train the correct way of landing it, or should we land it in some other way?
[06:55] <robru> mardy: you can use the train but there are some rough edges.
[06:55] <mardy> robru: like MIR
[06:56] <robru> mardy: MIR is not a way of getting a package in the archive, it's a way of getting a universe package into main. totally different thing. you might also need that later
[06:56] <mardy> robru: ah, ok, two different steps then
[06:57] <robru> mardy: if your plan is to ship this on desktops/servers then you'll want MIR for sure, if the plan is for touch then it's less important (ideally touch stuff would be MIR'd but much of it hasn't been)
[06:57] <robru> mardy: but yeah use the train first
[06:57] <robru> mardy: but the thing is the train cannot handle this package because *trunk* doesn't have a debian/changelog
[06:58] <mardy> robru: ok, so if I merge the changes into trunk and then prepare an empty MP, the package should end up in the universe? or will there be some other step to be done?
[06:58] <mardy> (I mean, after the CI train lands it)
[06:58] <robru> mardy: yes, if you go through the train the very first upload will be in universe by default
[06:58] <mardy> robru: excellent, thanks; we'll do it thiw way then
[06:58] <robru> mardy: well, that's not a train detail, first upload of anything is universe by default
[06:58] <robru> mardy: you're welcome
[08:27] <robru> Sure is quiet
[08:59] <jamesh> sil2100: you were trying to ping me late last night about mediascanner2?
[09:00] <jamesh> sil2100: currently mediascanner2 trunk is configured for dual landings, so it won't be possible to do a vivid only landing.
[09:02] <sil2100> jamesh: hey! Yes, we would like to release it without a merge, just a no change rebuild by bumping the ubuntu version
[09:02] <sil2100> jamesh: you would then just overwrite that change with your next landing
[09:02] <sil2100> jamesh: would that be ok?
[09:02] <jamesh> sil2100: would it be possible to do tvoss's landing in two silos though? First build the vivid only bits in one silo, copy packages to a second where you do a vivid+xenial build?
[09:31] <sil2100> pstolowski: hey! Does the licensecheck breakage have a bug?
[09:32] <sil2100> pstolowski: the one from xenial
[09:33] <pstolowski> sil2100, probably not.. michi? ^
[09:34] <michi> No bug that I know of. What’s the problem?
[09:35] <michi> All I did was to turn off the licensecheck unity test when running on xenial.
[09:37] <tvoss> sil2100, o/
[09:41] <robru> oh goodie
[09:42] <sil2100> michi: but the change mentioned that it had to be disabled because of some issues with licensecheck
[09:42] <sil2100> michi: what are those issues?
[09:42] <sil2100> tvoss: o/
[09:42] <michi> sil2100, tvoss: I’m in two conversations simultaneiously...
[09:42] <tvoss> sil2100, did you see my question for https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/635
[09:42] <michi> licensecheck behaves differently on xenial.
[09:42] <michi> It outputs a whole lot of crap it didn’t use to produce.
[09:43] <michi> And it fails on files it used to succeed on.
[09:43] <michi> So, rather than fixing an SEP, I decided to turn off the unit test for the license preamble on xenial.
[09:43] <michi> I don’t see how that could break anything though.
[09:44] <sil2100> michi: I agree that turning it off right now is a good workaround, but would be nice if you could fill in a bug against licensecheck to mention that such issues exist
[09:44] <michi> Yes, that’s still on my todo list.
[09:44] <michi> I haven’t forgotten, just haven’t managed to find the time yet.
[09:45] <sil2100> This way, when disabling licensecheck in another project, we can give a bug number in the comments that would make life easier for others to see if the licensecheck issues are fixed already or not
[09:45] <michi> So, did I break something by doing that?
[09:45] <sil2100> No, but I would like to have a bug number before I publish pstolowski's unity-api silo ;)
[09:46] <michi> Ah, I see :)
[09:46] <michi> It’s sort of late here. Can I file a bug tomorrow?
[09:46] <sil2100> Since it's good practice to have each disablement documented with a bug
[09:46] <michi> Yes, agree.
[09:46] <michi> It’s just that, sometimes, it feel like pushing lots of **it uphill.
[09:47] <michi> Someone gratuitously makes a bunch of changes that break our tests.
[09:47] <michi> Serves us right for having tests in the first place :-(
[09:47] <sil2100> michi: sounds ok, I might fill in a 'dummy' bug for licensecheck to not block pstolowski - I would then send you the bug link for you to fill in all the nice details
[09:47] <sil2100> hah
[09:47] <sil2100> ;)
[09:47] <sil2100> If that's fine with you
[09:47] <michi> OK, that sound good, thank you!
[09:47] <michi> I should get the bug notification email.
[09:48] <michi> Just in case, please add me explicitly to the subscription for the bug.
[09:48] <michi> I’ve had problems recently with notifications from launchpad.
[09:48] <michi> New bugs appear without any email ever arriving...
[09:48] <pstolowski> sil2100, yes, you're absolutely right!
[09:49] <robru> well, this is excelletn
[09:49] <michi> robru: What’s excellent?
[09:49] <robru> sil2100: I started migrating some silos to the new file format, but I'm getting permission denied errors when trying to copy. don't worry I'm working on it
[09:49] <robru> michi ^
[09:51] <mardy> trainguards: I cannot understand what is wrong here: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-060-1-build/34/console
[09:52] <sil2100> mardy: hey!
[09:52] <sil2100> mardy: it looks like your debian/source/format file has 3.0 (native), while for the train packages (and train versioning) this should be quilt
[09:53] <sil2100> So, either change it to 3.0 (quilt) or 1.0 simply
[09:54] <sil2100> mardy: ...or even remove the source/format file completely
[10:04] <robru> mardy: your version number is goofed up somewhere
[10:05] <robru> mardy yeah I recommend removing source/format as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/InlinePackaging
[10:05] <robru> oh god
[10:06] <sil2100> tvoss: hey! What question? I think I might have missed it...
[10:07] <tvoss> sil2100, I updated MPs for that request, but obsolete source packages still show up
[10:14] <sil2100> tvoss: let me take a look now
[10:15] <sil2100> tvoss: ah, yeah, in this case a trainguard needs to remove the old binaries - let me do that now
[10:16] <sil2100> tvoss: with next rebuild it should be good again
[10:25] <sil2100> pstolowski: hey! Could you modify your https://code.launchpad.net/~stolowski/unity-api/license-check/+merge/277544 MP and include the bug number LP: #1519292 in the comment of the temporary hack?
[10:25] <sil2100> pstolowski: thanks :)
[10:25] <pstolowski> sil2100, sure, doing
[10:27] <pstolowski> sil2100, pushed, shall i kick the build?
[10:31] <jibel> trainguards: silo 57 shows this error: Uncaught exception: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/jenkins/silos/ubuntu/landing-057/xenial/content-hub/content-hub'
[10:31] <jibel> what is it?
[10:31] <jibel> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/675
[10:32] <sil2100> jibel: there's a transition ongoing in the train
[10:33] <jibel> sil2100, which means?
[10:37] <Mirv> jibel: paths are changing, but all should be fixable
[10:40] <Mirv> well, it does not seem to fix by itself
[10:40] <Mirv> I think I'll rather publish manually
[10:44] <sil2100> Mirv: robru is working on getting things fixed
[10:44] <robru> guys I am so sorry for botching this transition so badly
[10:44] <Mirv> sil2100: yeah I'm sure he knows about the issues so meanwhile copy-package is friend among else
[10:44] <robru> I thought I had the migration script tested quite well
[10:45] <Mirv> robru: we manage :)
[11:20] <morphis> rvr: ping
[11:22] <robru> ok apologies again everybody
[11:22] <robru> I triggered a few rebuilds to fix the worst ones I botched. but most I was able to save
[11:52] <robru> Mirv unfortunately i rebuilt silo 57 so you'll need to republish after it builds
[12:04] <tvoss> sil2100, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/635 is good to go from my pov
[12:18] <sil2100> tvoss: will be publishing in a minute
[12:18] <sil2100> Thanks
[12:18] <tvoss> sil2100, thank you
[12:18] <tvoss> greyback_, we can land to vivid and xenial again for platform api
[12:19] <greyback_> tvoss: sweet
[12:24] <dbarth_> quick heads up for QA: silo 60 has a proper test plan now; also silo 58 MP's are approved now, ie should be unblocked in Trello
[12:25] <sil2100> tvoss: eh, ok, had to rebuild platform-api in the silo again to make the train happy, no worries will publish instantly once it finishes
[12:25] <jibel> dbarth_, 58 unblocked and you can mark 60 ready for qa if it is
[12:27] <Mirv> robru: oh no :( I wonder if QA will want to retest then.
[12:27] <Mirv> jibel: 057 was rebuilt, do you want to retest it?
[12:28] <Mirv> content-hub/ubuntu-system-settings
[12:28] <Mirv> robru: on the other hand, nice to use the train for publishing it
[12:30] <jibel> Mirv, rebuilt with same MPs?
[12:30] <robru> Mirv jibel: it would only need the quickest of smoketests
[12:31] <robru> jibel, yes
[12:31] <jibel> robru, Mirv , k, I'll make sure it is still working
[12:31] <jibel> moving back to ready for qa
[12:32] <sil2100> brb
[12:36] <Mirv> jibel: thanks
[12:39] <jibel> Mirv, silo 57 has been published already?
[12:42] <Mirv> jibel: once, yes, manually, but robru rebuilt it after that
[12:42] <Mirv> jibel: so the merges wouldn't merge correct things anymore
[12:45] <boiko> Mirv: I am trying to install messaging-app-autopilot on the device, but it says some of the dependencies can't be installed, did something change wrt apt-get on the device?
[12:45] <boiko> Mirv: for instance, there was a new address-book-app version available in the overlay ppa, but apt-get dist-upgrade won't pick it for upgrading
[12:46] <Mirv> boiko: no, there shouldn't be a problem installing messaging-app-autopilot. but if you're testing a silo you need to pin it higher than overlay
[12:46] <Mirv> boiko: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/SiloTestingGuidelines#Install_silos_with_overlay_PPA_enabled
[12:46] <boiko> Mirv: right, but citrain device-upgrade does that already, right?
[12:47] <Mirv> boiko: yes, it should do that, you can check by looking at the contents of /etc/apt/preferences.d
[12:47] <boiko> Mirv: any idea why apt-get dist-upgrade is not picking up newer versions of some packages?
[12:51] <jibel> Mirv, 57 is definitely fine
[12:52] <Mirv> jibel: thanks!
[12:53] <Mirv> I'll wait for the delayed arm64 builds to finish, then it's again ready
[12:53] <Mirv> boiko: not really, but better double-check the contents of those pinning files and see that the silo pin number is higher than the overlay's
[12:54] <jibel> boiko, apt-cache policy <package> can give you a clue about the pin priority and why some versions are preferred
[13:03] <tvoss> sil2100, thx
[13:04] <boiko> jibel: right, I was using silo 52 (which only contains messaging-app), and it was not picking up a newer address-book-app (needed for the autopilot package), but now I am doing the opposite: installing first all autopilot packages, then running device-upgrade
[13:22] <abeato> sil2100, hey, have you noticed that /etc/apt/sources.list.d/extra-ppas.list does not include a "deb-src" line?
[13:22] <abeato> sil2100, that creates confusion when doing build-deps for packages in the overlay
[13:22] <abeato> jhodapp, ^^
[13:25] <jhodapp> sil2100, indeed, we reached an instance with media-hub where we added a build-dep, but each time you do an apt-get build-dep media-hub, this latest dep doesn't get installed because of what abeato mentioned
[13:45] <Mirv> tvoss: silo 21 has also code changes compared to vivid overlay: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-021-1-build/267/artifact/platform-api_vivid_content.diff
[13:46] <Mirv> a couple of ? true : false + a couple of const additions
[14:28] <dobey> trainguards: hi, can someone hit retry on https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-015/+build/8337847 please?
[14:29] <Mirv> dobey: done
[14:29] <dobey> Mirv: thanks
[15:33] <tvoss> Mirv, I'm confused :)
[15:40] <dobey> Mirv: still here?
[15:45] <rvr> renatu: Mirv: Approving silo 39
[15:47] <renatu> rvr, nice, thanks
[15:49] <Saviq> robru, uh oh? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/690
[15:49] <Saviq> or maybe that error is just misleading...
[16:39] <camako_> fginther, any plans to convert 'wily' jobs for mir to 'xenial' in CI?
[17:21] <fginther> camako_, There was no mass conversion of projects from wily to xenial for this cycle as it no longer makes sense for many projects. If you have projects that you would like to be updated to xenial, please just send cihelp a notification or email as you've done.
[17:22] <fginther> camako_, is this for lp:mir only?
[17:22] <fginther> camako_, I need to step out, but will follow up if necessary when I return
[17:46] <camako_> fginther, Thanks. I saw your email and made a request to the list. Yes this is for lp:mir.
[17:49] <dobey> trainguards: hi, can we land silo 15 without waiting for a successful ppc64el build? it's phone only for now, and golang is still not nice on that arch
[18:00] <robru> dobey: fine by me but i can't publish, you'll need a core dev to copy the packages manually. Maybe sil2100
[18:02] <robru> dobey, actually that'll just get stuck in proposed, you'll need a release team member to help you
[18:06] <dobey> robru: i guess we can get Mirv to do it in the morning, since he's the qt person? or it'll still need a release team member for some reason?
[18:06] <dobey> i guess it'll just need someone to ack the NEWs?
[18:14] <jibel> and with these the queue is almost empty
[18:14] <jibel> thanks alesage rvr
[18:14] <robru> dobey, is this package never released before? If so is fine, if not you need release team to ack the arch regression
[18:15] <alesage> jibel but of course
[18:16] <dobey> robru: the qtpurchasing was only released in the stable-phone-ovleray ppa for vivid so far, not in the ubuntu archive
[18:20] <robru> dobey, silo 15 appears to be targeted at xenial, vivid has nothing to do with that
[18:24] <robru> dobey, indeed pay-service has been released in xenial and has packages built for ppc64el so this represents a regression and will need release team to ack, it's out of my hands
[18:24] <dobey> ok
[18:25] <robru> dobey, at purchasing is fine to publish though
[18:25] <dobey> right, i was just saying that qtpurchasing is new here, and onl exists in the overlay ppa for vivid. i wasn't saying this is meant to go into vivid
[18:26] <robru> dobey but your silo targets xenial?
[18:26] <dobey> robru: yes, this is to get the changes into xenial that we've already landed in vivid overlay
[18:26] <robru> Right
[18:28] <dobey> kenvandine: hey, ^^ can you do what is necessary to get silo 15 published to xenial? and i guess we can ping slangasek maybe to ack the 'regression' of ppc64el not building for pay-service there?
[18:30] <kenvandine> dobey, sure, but if you are getting an ack from slangasek might be best just to have him publish it
[18:30] * kenvandine doesn't want to get hunted down over that next week :)
[18:30] <dobey> true i guess
[18:30] <dobey> slangasek: can you do that please? :)
[18:42] <robru> Saviq, the "not in ppa" error? that means there was a local build that failed to upload, silo is in a bad state and needs rebuild
[18:56] <Saviq> robru, no, it was a File not found exception, with two qtmir-gles bits in its path
[18:56] <Saviq> robru, I've seen it again when there were conflicts, it was complaining about a file not found .../qtmir-gles/qtmir-gles
[18:56] <robru> Saviq, I just pushed a fix for that in one spot, can you link me to the error? I didn't see it
[18:57] <Saviq> robru, it's gone by now, it got cleared when another build job ran
[18:57] <robru> Saviq, yeah but which silo? i can dig up the log and confirm my fix in another silo also fixes this
[18:57] <Saviq> robru, silo 5
[18:57] <Saviq> req 690
[18:58] <Saviq> robru, at least the build job logs don't show that err
[18:58] <robru> Saviq, oh yeah, that's the same one I fixed. fix should hit production in 20
[18:58] <Saviq> ack
[18:59] <robru> Saviq in this case it came from the status updater job, if you click 'show audit log' you can scroll through and see the error and get a link to the log
[18:59] <Saviq> robru, the build job finishes now as soon as the packages are uploaded, right? so it doesn't wait for the builds?
[18:59] <robru> Saviq, correct, the build job recently changed to not watch the PPA, diff immediately after uploads are successful. there's now a new job that watches the PPA and updates the status, it runs automatically every 10 minutes, forever (so basically now train is *always* watching
[19:00] <Saviq> ack
[19:00] <robru> Saviq, this change helps catch things like new commits on MPs or new uploads in the archive, etc. so problems are discovered sooner rather than being surprises at publish time.
[19:01] <Saviq> that's nice also because now I don't need to cancel jobs in case I need to run the build jobs in quick succession (for different packages, when waiting for some changes)
[19:01] <Saviq> robru, ack, perfect
[19:01] <robru> Saviq, oh cool, I hadn't even thought of that benefit, nice ;-)
[19:02] <robru> Saviq, only problem is that now the status job pings all status changes every 10 minutes, so if your build takes a long time you'll get pinged about it every 10 minutes. I should fix that to only ping if there's a failure or something
[19:04] <Saviq> robru, I don't get pings from queuebot for some reason anyway (I mean I don't get highlights), so meh ;)
[19:04] <Saviq> gtg
[19:35] <dobey> what's the best way to get QA to test a click package these days, since bileto doesn't have a way to make such things be "landed" when they're done?
[19:36] <salem_> rvr, hey, when you have some time, could you check if the following MR fixes the ringtone issue with your bluetooth speaker? https://code.launchpad.net/~tiagosh/telepathy-ofono/fix-1519007/+merge/278451
[19:36] <salem_> rvr, you just need to install the package that jenkins built and reboot.
[19:53] <robru> dobey, i believe QA likes to find them in bileto. marking non-silo things as 'landed' is on my todo list
[19:53] <dobey> ok
[20:43] <slangasek> dobey: unless this regression in pay-service is a deliberate disabling of the package on this architecture, I would not sign off on this. If it is a deliberate disabling, then someone needs to start at the top of the stack and disable packages for ppc64el first, otherwise you're just creating an uninstallable/unbuildable pile on ppc64el
[20:47] <slangasek> dobey: and has this ppc64el build failure been reported as a bug against binutils?
[21:00] <slangasek> dobey: actually, I guess this may be a golang issue rather than a binutils one;
[21:00] <slangasek> dobey: so mwhudson (and a bug against golang) would be a good idea here
[21:01] <dobey> slangasek: yeah, i pinged mwhdson about it. it's a bug already reported/fixed upstream apparently. he's saying we should use gccgo on ppc64el, or not build at all there.
[21:01] <dobey> slangasek: i'd more likely say that previous builds on ppc64el of pay-service were not intentional. :)
[21:02] <slangasek> dobey: unity8 and unity-scope-click both build-depend on libpay2-dev; you don't get to say that's "unintentional" without taking responsibility for unwinding it
[21:02] <slangasek> dobey: it looks like the go code is only in pay-service; does it make sense to build libpay2 on architectures that don't have pay-service? or should the reverse-dependencies have their libpay2-dev build-dep architecture-qualified?
[21:03] <dobey> no, libpay2 is just a client lib to talk to pay-service
[21:03] <slangasek> and pay-service is always a local service?
[21:04] <dobey> yes, pay-service is a dbus service which talks to the remote servers
[21:05] <dobey> hmm, i'll make a quick branch to build with gccgo on ppc64el then
[21:05] <dobey> since that's what mwhudson is saying to do
[21:06] <slangasek> dobey: ok. lxd should be a good example of this. I think it's equally valid to drop the build-dep on ppc64el fwiw, but of course that means you get to make a unity8 landing your problem
[21:25] <cyphermox> ^ wow, it now detects the state from the PPA build records? :)
[21:26] <robru> cyphermox: Big Train is always watching ;-)
[21:27] <cyphermox> that's pretty cool, less clickety-clicking.
[21:28] <robru> cyphermox, you still need to run the build job to generate the diff, but at least only once at the end instead of every upload
[21:28] <cyphermox> right
[21:37] <slangasek> dobey: fwiw a quick test with substituting gccgo in for golang got me a successful pay-service package build on ppc64el/xenial
[21:38] <dobey> slangasek: yeah, it's already built in the silo
[21:38] <dobey> someone needs to hit retry on https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-015/+build/8271662 now
[21:38] <slangasek> dobey: ok. and btw, lintian points out a few problems with this package...
[21:38] <slangasek> E: pay-service: depends-on-essential-package-without-using-version depends: sysvinit-utils
[21:38] <slangasek> E: pay-service: depends-on-essential-package-without-using-version recommends: perl-base
[21:38] <slangasek> dobey: done
[21:40] <dobey> depending on essential packages without a version requirement is an error?
[21:42] <dobey> oh right, have to way for stuff to get fully published before rebuilding
[21:45] <slangasek> dobey: yes, it is; because the essential functionality is guaranteed to be present, but the package names may change, so a dependency is both unnecessary and potentially harmful to future upgrade calculation
[21:47] <dobey> slangasek: how should one depend on a binary that's shipped in those packages then? i don't want stuff to stop working because the package name changed, and the binary we need is no longer in the essential packages
[21:47] <slangasek> dobey: we never remove binaries from Essential
[21:48] <slangasek> dobey: although - sysvinit-utils is not essential in Ubuntu, so that's a buggy lintian warning. But perl will always be in essential
[21:56] <dobey> slangasek: so drop the perl and ignore the sysvinit-utils lintian?
[22:03] <robru> Oh god why
[22:06] <robru> kenvandine, do you know what caused that error? New one on me
[22:06] <kenvandine> i canceled a build
[22:07] <josepht> nuclearbob, jibel: are you guys still converned with bootspeed testing?
[22:07] <kenvandine> because i pushed a new revision
[22:07] <robru> Surprised to see oserror in python3 code
[22:07] <kenvandine> robru, then i started another build quickly
[22:07] <kenvandine> i think it hadn't finished cleaning up from the previous job
[22:07] <kenvandine> i waited a minute and it worked
[22:07] <robru> kenvandine huh buy there a signal handler to exit cleanly when jobs are cancelled
[22:08] <robru> Ooooh
[22:08] <kenvandine> i was just to fast :)
[22:10] <robru> kenvandine, really bizarre because the cleanup doesn't delete that dir, no idea why it would error like that
[22:10] <kenvandine> ah... well i dunno then
[22:10] <robru> A mystery for the ages
[22:16] <slangasek> dobey: yeah - drop perl-base, ignore sysvinit-utils
[22:25] <robru> cyphermox, ^ 'Diff missing' implies 'Successfully built', just run the build job to make the diff when you're ready
[23:26] <nuclearbob> josepht: it's on the list of things to get re-enabled this cycle so we can have good data for the lts
[23:33] <dobey> slangasek: ok, i added an MP for dropping perl-base, and it's rebuilding now. will have to chase down reviews for the two new MPs in the morning though, since it's past my EOD and everyone else too that was working on these bits
[23:33] <dobey> slangasek: thanks for the help
[23:34] <dobey> and have a good evening :)
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-si
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[06:53] <slax0r> jutro
[06:59] <slax0r> a ma kdo morda kak dober resource za systemd.timer vs cronjob?
[07:05] <slax0r> http://www.businessinsider.de/programmer-automates-his-job-2015-11
[07:05] <Pepelka> Programmer automates his job - Business Insider Deutschland
[07:05] <Pepelka> »There's a hilarious project that's gone viral on GitHub that consists of a bunch of software scripts that automate all sorts of crazy things.«
[07:20] <slax0r> vse kar najdem so blog posti "cron is the biggest pain in the ass"
[07:20] <slax0r> REALLY?!
[07:26] <upd> lol
[07:28] <upd> slax0r, a cronjob bi rad zamenjal z .timer
[07:29] <slax0r> v bistvu bi rad ostal na cronjob, ampak el jefe je prebral nekje kako so timerji oh in spljoh in zdaj po vsej sili hoce to met, jaz pa hocem najt nek pameten article kjer bi bilo jasno navedeno kaj je boljse in kaj ne
[07:29] <slax0r> I get it, logging je boljsi, ker gre vse v systemd log, pa niceness je lazje nastavljat, vec pa ne najdem
[07:30] <slax0r> in dvomim da se to kaj splaca delat, ker z cron itak laufamo php skripte ki same potem loggirajo aktivnosti
[07:30] <upd> http://krisko210.blogspot.si/2014/06/replacing-crontab-with-systemd-timers.html
[07:30] <Pepelka> Krisko's Blog: Replacing crontab with systemd timers
[07:31] <slax0r> upd: ja, sam tu nic ni taksnega kar ne bi moral naredit z cron
[07:31] <slax0r> mikrosekunde in milisekunde, who needs this?
[07:31] <upd> pol pa fuck them
[07:31] <upd> če dela pusti kot je
[07:31] <slax0r> edin kar bi mogoce nam prav prislo je, da timer ne zazene joba ce je ze zagnan
[07:31] <slax0r> samo to smo do sedaj resevali z lock fajli
[07:31] <slax0r> kar bomo itak morali tut dalje
[07:31] <slax0r> ker ena skripta obdeluje vec strank in je treba vsako stranko posebaj zaklepat
[07:32] <upd> http://blog.higgsboson.tk/2013/06/09/use-systemd-as-a-cron-replacement/ to si videl ?
[07:32] <Pepelka> Use systemd as a cron replacement - ~/git/blog
[07:32] <Pepelka> »HOWTO: Replace cron with systemd«
[07:32] <slax0r> tudi to nasel :)
[07:33] <slax0r> ne vem, pa sploh timestamp *-*-* *:*:10 mi je dost bolj cuden kot * * * * *
[07:33] <slax0r> ne vem, saj mamo pol sestank pa bomo vidl
[07:34] <upd> mogoče je pravo vprašanje če vsi menjajo na systemd, koliko časa bo crontab še tam
[07:34] <upd> cronjob
[07:34] <upd> dull
[07:35] <upd> če veš da boš 1x moral menjat, je pa vsen če danes ali pa čez 2 leti
[07:46] <slax0r> ja, saj to ravno, ker zdaj rewritamo cel cron sistem za nas app
[07:46] <slax0r> in sedaj je v bistvu pravi cas da ce se ze menja se zdaj menja
[07:46] <slax0r> zdaj ce bi systemd timerje lahko direkt iz baze pobiral bi ziher vzeli to
[07:47] <slax0r> samo kaj takega ne najdem
[07:47] <napsy_> jutro
[07:47] <slax0r> jutro
[07:49] <upd> napsy_, slax0r mene pa neki zanima v službi ko programirata a uporabljata papir pa kuli ? :)
[07:50] <slax0r> jup
[07:50] <slax0r> posebaj ko me kaj razfuka, kuli v roke, pa kracat na papir
[07:50] <slax0r> ali pa cik pavza, pa zbistrit glavo
[07:50] <upd> ok ql, :) heh
[07:53] <napsy_> upd: whiteboard
[07:54] <upd> priročno :)
[07:56] <zdobersek> or is it an epaper-board
[08:27] <jabuk> M 1.3 > 2.km JV od BOROVNICE @24/11/2015 09:11:05 https://maps.google.com/?q=45.91+N,+14.39+E
[08:33] <jabuk> M 1.7 > 8.km JZ od BREŽIC @24/11/2015 09:16:14 https://maps.google.com/?q=45.87+N,+15.51+E
[08:43] <zdobbie> http://www.theonion.com/article/poll-majority-of-americans-approve-of-sending-cong-33752
[08:43] <Pepelka> Poll: Majority Of Americans Approve Of Sending Congress To Syria - The Onion - America's Finest News Source
[08:43] <Pepelka> »WASHINGTON—As President Obama continues to push for a plan of limited military intervention in Syria, a new poll of Americans has found that though the nation remains wary over the prospect of becoming involved in another Middle Eastern war, the vas...«
[08:51] <CrazyLemon> its lucy's birthday today!
[08:55] <dz0ny> CrazyLemon: where did you read that?
[08:55] <CrazyLemon> dz0ny cant tell you ..top secret
[08:55] <zdobersek> ktera Lucy?
[08:55] * CrazyLemon whispers 'on google'
[08:55] <CrazyLemon> avstralopitek lucy
[08:55] <CrazyLemon> katera le
[09:12] <CrazyLemon> .pretvori 380 usd eur
[09:12] <jabuk> CrazyLemon: 380 USD je 357.45 EUR
[09:12] <CrazyLemon> nice..
[09:13] <upd> kmalu bo 1:1 !
[09:15] <CrazyLemon> naah
[09:20] <zdobersek> .pretvori 1 usd eur
[09:20] <jabuk> zdobersek: 1 USD je 0.94 EUR
[09:20] <zdobersek> .pretvori 1 usd btc
[09:20] <zdobersek> not surprised
[09:26] <yang> Leta 2008 je bil 1 eur 1.6 USD
[09:49] <upd> https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/669082412828200960
[09:49] <Pepelka> General Boles auf Twitter: "Erdoğan - 'Mr President, we have shot down a Russian jet and need help' Obama - 'New phone, who dis?' https://t.co/pO6kBTWork"
[10:29] <zdobbie> FINALLY
[11:28] <CrazyLemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pillaOxGCo
[11:28] <Pepelka> Historic Rocket Landing - YouTube
[11:28] <Pepelka> »Blue Origin’s New Shepard space vehicle successfully flew to space, reaching its planned test altitude of 329,839 feet (100.5 kilometers) before executing a ...«
[11:28] <CrazyLemon> dz0ny ^
[11:32] <dz0ny> nice
[11:32] <Sky[x]> lp
[11:32] <zdobersek> ahoy sailor
[11:32] <Sky[x]> dz0ny: mas kak dobr predlog za api doc? RAML, swagger itd... ?
[11:33] <dz0ny> CrazyLemon: sam to je cheating mal, k manjse zadeve so lazje vodljive :)
[11:33] <dz0ny> Sky[x]: nope
[11:33] <dz0ny> sm gledal ze oboje
[11:33] <dz0ny> such mess
[11:33] <dz0ny> pa neka java
[11:33] <zdobersek> latex
[11:33] <Sky[x]> raml je ql k j simpl sam swagger je pa kr overhead predno vse nastavis pa se kak oauth2 vmes :>
[11:34] <Sky[x]> dz0ny: pa RAML das lpo v gulp pa se vedno zgenerira ko shranis :)
[11:37] <CrazyLemon> dz0ny mhm..pričakujem elonov reply lih neki v tem smislu..'but yours is smaller' :D
[11:40] <dz0ny> pa hitrost je dost nizja
[11:42] <zdobbie> dick-wagglers
[11:42] <dz0ny> pa tud lazje je prit do 100km kot pa do 435 :)
[11:42] <dz0ny> KSP fanboys
[11:42] <zdobbie> ta Blue Origin na Bezos cez?
[11:43] <CrazyLemon> ja
[11:43] <zdobbie> jop
[11:43] <zdobbie> inb4 amazon ships to Mars
[11:44] <zdobbie> ja ful dobr, pol pa simulacija sred videa
[11:45] <CrazyLemon> http://en.community.dell.com/dell-blogs/direct2dell/b/direct2dell/archive/2015/11/23/response-to-concerns-regarding-edellroot-certificate
[11:45] <Pepelka> Response to Concerns Regarding eDellroot Certificate
[11:45] <Pepelka> »The Official Dell Blog«
[11:45] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie ni simulacija..its an ad :D
[11:45] <CrazyLemon> .yt come fly with me
[11:45] <jabuk> Frank Sinatra - Come Fly With Me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmQq6yLe2ww
[11:45] <zdobbie> oh
[11:46] <zdobbie> then my ad-blocker isn't functioning
[11:47] <dz0ny> talking about video ads
[11:47] <dz0ny> k je slo video add wn powerpoint pa 1minuta muzke
[11:47] <dz0ny> bi res enga zadavu
[11:50] <zdobbie> cega
[11:50] <zdobbie> powerpoint je nek windows thingy
[11:50] <zdobbie> to ma CrazyLemon cez
[11:50] <zdobbie> powerpoint in njegove animacije
[11:51] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie how would you know? če niti kliknit nisi hotu
[11:51] <zdobbie> k se powerpoint datotek ne odpira!
[11:52] <zdobbie> to je v Windows Security 101
[11:53] <Pepelka> [Web Upd8] Andrew: Install GIMP 2.8.16 In Ubuntu Or Linux Mint Via PPA http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/webupd8/~3/VSM7tQIw97I/install-gimp-2816-in-ubuntu-or-linux.html
[12:13] <dz0ny> zdobbie: youtube oglas je bil narejen z powerpointom za neka okna od slovenske firme
[12:13] <dz0ny> non skippable in to celo minuto
[12:20] <zdobbie> lol
[12:24] <zdobbie> not so salty https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/669129347555430400
[12:24] <Pepelka> Elon Musk auf Twitter: "Congrats to Jeff Bezos and the BO team for achieving VTOL on their booster"
[12:35] <dz0ny> mildlyinteresting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coand%C4%83_effect
[12:35] <Pepelka> Coandă effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[13:43] <Pepelka> [Web Upd8] Andrew: Evernote Linux Client `NixNote` 2 Beta 5 Available For Download http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/webupd8/~3/3I_D44tzKng/evernote-linux-client-nixnote-2-beta-5.html
[13:51] <CrazyLemon> atom works again!
[14:14] <msev-> a noobslab novice tut pokrivata
[14:14] <msev-> pokrivate
[14:14] <Sky[x]> :D
[14:15] <msev-> če prov so bl bedne
[14:15] <msev-> webupd8 je bolši
[14:15] <msev-> tm so sam teme
[14:15] <msev-> :)
[14:23] <CrazyLemon> wth je noobslab
[14:27] <Sky[x]> noobs labs :D
[14:28] <Sky[x]> -s :)
[14:28] <napsy_> CrazyLemon: kak allocator
[14:29] <zdobersek> allocator o' noobs
[14:37] <msev-> lol
[14:38] <msev-> http://www.noobslab.com/
[14:38] <Pepelka> NoobsLab | Ubuntu/Linux News, Reviews, Tutorials, Apps
[14:38] <msev-> ampak vidm da je bl šit gor
[14:42] <msev-> a kšne dosbox igrce špilate tut :D
[14:48] <zdobersek> insurgency
[14:49] <CrazyLemon> msev- seriously..sam banner vidiš pa ti je vse jasno
[14:49] <msev-> prek česa se pa pol pogovarjate v špilih
[14:49] <msev-> al se ne
[14:49] <Sky[x]> ta swagger mi bo zivce pozru grrrr, sej ko ga spimpas je ql :>
[14:50] <CrazyLemon> msev- mumble
[14:50] <msev-> se mi je zdel
[14:50] <CrazyLemon> http://www.siol.net/novice/svet/2015/11/republikanci_o_muslimanih.aspx
[14:50] <msev-> kolk vas pa špila skp ponavad
[14:50] <Pepelka> Republikanci: muslimani so stekli psi, ki jih je treba registrirati | Svet - Planet Siol.net
[14:50] <Pepelka> »Med ameriškimi predsedniškimi kandidati se razširja šokantna islamofobna retorika, ki je nihče ne zazna kot sovražni govor.«
[14:50] <CrazyLemon> lol
[14:51] <CrazyLemon> tale trump pa je car :D
[14:51] <CrazyLemon> msev- tam med 3,4-8
[14:52] <msev-> nice nice
[14:52] <msev-> ker je že un free game k ga špilate da si dam downloadat
[14:53] <CrazyLemon> msev- ni free
[14:53] <msev-> :(
[14:53] <CrazyLemon> smo pa igrali teamfotress 2...ta je free
[14:53] <msev-> ja ta ja
[14:53] <msev-> a ga ne več
[14:54] <CrazyLemon> ne..zdaj smo na insurgency
[14:54] <CrazyLemon> tega si lahko kupil tudi za $1 ko je bil humble bundle
[14:54] <msev-> aja
[14:54] <msev-> dang
[14:55] <msev-> :(
[14:55] <CrazyLemon> jah zamudil si
[14:55] <CrazyLemon> in sam si kriv za to! S A M!
[14:56] <msev-> I kno' I kno'
[14:57] <CrazyLemon> bo pa v petek black friday
[14:57] <CrazyLemon> pa v pon. cyber monday
[14:57] <CrazyLemon> pa bodo mogoče kakšni hudi popusti če te zanima
[14:57] <msev-> Sam enkrat sm plačov za igro :)
[14:57] <msev-> sam če bo spet 1usd to kul :D
[14:58] <CrazyLemon> evo..drunken robot pornography sam 3.74€
[14:58] <CrazyLemon> 75% off!
[15:00] <CrazyLemon> http://store.steampowered.com/app/227940/
[15:00] <Pepelka> Heroes & Generals on Steam
[15:00] <Pepelka> »Heroes & Generals is a Free2Play Massively Online FPS with a Strategic Multiplayer Campaign, set in the midst of World War II Europe, where the United States, Germany and the Soviet Union all fight each other for control.«
[15:00] <CrazyLemon> tale tudi zgleda kr kul
[15:00] <CrazyLemon> sam ni (še) za linux
[15:03] <zdobersek> looks like something that can't run on an APU
[15:05] <CrazyLemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e4k6MpbLl8
[15:05] <Pepelka> Donkey: "Really?" - Shrek - YouTube
[15:05] <Pepelka> »Really?«
[15:05] <CrazyLemon> i do remember a certain individual that has a tendency to quit in the middle of the game.. which he runs on a non-APU system
[15:05] <zdobersek> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyInzS2C7to
[15:05] <Pepelka> shrek - really really. (#1) - YouTube
[15:05] <Pepelka> »really really.«
[15:05] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek sounds familiar?
[15:06] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: diskonektam, ker internet dol pade
[15:07] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek riight
[15:07] <CrazyLemon> a takrat tudi zvok izgine?
[15:07] <CrazyLemon> :>
[15:09] <msev-> a to zato k nima nvidijine graficne? :D
[15:19] <zdobbie> CrazyLemon: zakaj moram poj mumble ponovno zagnat?
[15:19] <zdobersek> u twonk
[15:20] <msev-> a ke ,p
[15:20] <msev-> ups
[15:21] <msev-> a je možn da ma monitor več hdmi vhodov pa preklaplaš feede
[15:21] <msev-> na monitorju
[15:22] <zdobersek> mozno
[15:24] <zdobersek> kokr na tvju
[15:24] <zdobersek> npr.
[15:24] <msev-> ja sj to mislm
[15:24] <msev-> :)
[15:24] <msev-> to mi je dal idejo :)
[15:24] <zdobersek> kaj pa je tv druzga kot napihjen monitor
[15:24] <zdobersek> z vgrajenim racunalnikom
[15:25] <msev-> evo ptiči se seljo v tople kraje že vidm
[15:25] <msev-> :D
[15:25] <msev-> dost so pozni
[15:25] <msev-> zj je že mrzlo
[15:25] <msev-> :D
[15:25] <zdobersek> jah, ce so mel se pol novembra poletje
[15:45] <zdobersek> http://i.imgur.com/Iebpb9T.gif
[16:00] <upd> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pillaOxGCo
[16:00] <Pepelka> Historic Rocket Landing - YouTube
[16:00] <Pepelka> »Blue Origin’s New Shepard space vehicle successfully flew to space, reaching its planned test altitude of 329,839 feet (100.5 kilometers) before executing a ...«
[16:03] <zdobersek> oooold
[16:12] <upd> much new
[16:15] <zdobersek> (03:28:38 AM) CrazyLemon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pillaOxGCo
[16:15] <zdobersek> (03:28:39 AM) Pepelka: Historic Rocket Landing - YouTube
[16:15] <Pepelka> Historic Rocket Landing - YouTube
[16:15] <Pepelka> »Blue Origin’s New Shepard space vehicle successfully flew to space, reaching its planned test altitude of 329,839 feet (100.5 kilometers) before executing a ...«
[16:16] <dz0ny> I get the mass effect vibe from names
[16:28] <dz0ny> http://www.syfy.com/theexpanse/enterthefuture/inside/guided-tour
[16:28] <Pepelka> The Expanse
[16:28] <Pepelka> »Explore the planets, ships and people that populate The Expanse.«
[16:29] <zdobbie_> entering the cold Minnesota past, bbl
[17:31] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek zato ker ne znaš killat pulseaudio? :D
[17:42] <zdobbie> lol no
[17:42] <jabuk> https://i.imgur.com/BiSkH5D.png
[17:42] <zdobbie> u smarty-ass
[17:42] <CrazyLemon> :p
[18:01] <upd> http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/events_67375.htm?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=smc&utm_campaign=20151124%2Bsg%2Bturkey%2Brussia%2Bnac
[18:02] <CrazyLemon> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/669202543109509120
[18:02] <Pepelka> Elon Musk auf Twitter: "But credit for 1st reusable suborbital rocket goes to X-15 https://t.co/LSb0f8FLJd And Burt Rutan for commercial https://t.co/TGWlNjsyQz"
[18:02] <CrazyLemon> and elon is back :D
[18:02] <CrazyLemon> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/669199392231063552
[18:02] <Pepelka> Elon Musk auf Twitter: "Jeff maybe unaware SpaceX suborbital VTOL flight began 2013. Orbital water landing 2014. Orbital land landing next. https://t.co/S6WMRnEFY5"
[18:03] <CrazyLemon> :D
[18:03] <zdobbie> so he is salty
[18:03] <CrazyLemon> of course..he's elon!
[18:05] <CrazyLemon> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/669129655597731841
[18:05] <Pepelka> Elon Musk auf Twitter: "It is, however, important to clear up the difference between "space" and "orbit", as described well by https://t.co/7PD42m37fZ"
[18:06] <CrazyLemon> haha..to je bilo po tistem congrats tweetu :D
[18:06] <zdobbie> "good job, but ..."
[18:31] <CrazyLemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yTFiP_co0U
[18:31] <Pepelka> European Bike Stealing Championships 2015 - YouTube
[18:31] <Pepelka> »These thieves absolutely didn’t see it coming when they tried to steal our bait bike! Read more here http://goo.gl/43lgvG http://www.welovecycling.com http:/...«
[18:39] <zdobbie> dayumn
[18:39] <zdobbie> po Rimu niso mogl v LJ
[18:44] <CrazyLemon> http://www.itworld.com/article/3007980/open-source-tools/wordpress-com-rebuilds-codebase-releases-code-as-open-source.html
[18:44] <Pepelka> WordPress.com rebuilds codebase, releases code as open source | ITworld
[18:44] <Pepelka> »Bye bye PHP, hello JavaScript«
[18:50] <idioterna> CrazyLemon: zdobbie
[18:50] <idioterna> c'est l'heure
[18:53] <CrazyLemon> yes captain
[18:53] <CrazyLemon> we shall follow you
[18:53] <CrazyLemon> guide us oh great one
[18:53] <CrazyLemon> :D
[18:56] <idioterna> turing akbar
[18:56] <idioterna> al kva
[18:58] <zdobersek> o great Alan
[18:58] <zdobersek> teach us of your machine
[19:09] <dz0ny> hehe kr valid http://i.imgur.com/V0pzGIO.gifv
[19:20] <jabuk> M 2.4 > 7.km Z od BREŽIC @24/11/2015 20:04:06 https://maps.google.com/?q=45.88+N,+15.51+E
[19:31] <jabuk> M 2.4 > 7.km Z od BREŽIC @24/11/2015 20:04:07 https://maps.google.com/?q=45.88+N,+15.51+E
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[18:46] <Na3iL> o/
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2015-11-24-#ubuntustudio-devel
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[02:19] <OvenWerk1> zequence or micahg: if possible I would like to have ubuntustudio-menu uploaded. Speed is not required :)
[02:19] <OvenWerk1> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-menu/ubuntustudio-menu
[08:27] <zequence> OvenWerk1: I'll upload in a few moments
[08:41] <zequence> Hmm, think I did an upload before, and forgot to push it our bzr repo :P
[10:20] <sakrecoer_> thanks zequence , strange, my first mail with the question didn't make it trhu..
[10:21] <sakrecoer_> does this mean that when i will do sudo apt-get update/grade next time i my dev install, the menu will be corrected?
[10:33] <zequence> sakrecoer_: Yes, once the package appears in the archive
[10:34] <zequence> sakrecoer_: It's in the main archive now as it seems
[10:34] <zequence> not sure about mirrors
[10:43] <sakrecoer_> so cool! <3 :)
[10:49] <sakrecoer_> i'm a bit nervous about adressing the hole user list....giving me blankpaper-complex lol...
[10:57] <sakrecoer_> i'm thinking about the possiblity to get stuff that is plain bad publicity for all kindsof reason, and how to deal with refusal...
[10:59] <sakrecoer_> anyways, i'll send it to the dev list this afternoon for approval first.
[11:00] <sakrecoer_> but one ideas is to ask them to send me their work, explain that there will be some sort of selection involved, and those selected will be interviewed. But it would be nice to have a "comfort prize" for those who get refused, in order to motivate the troops...
[11:01] <sakrecoer_> maybe the PR-team can form some sort of jury...
[11:08] <zequence> sakrecoer_: I think you should go ahead and just make decisions as much as possible, since most people here won't have much time for it
[11:09] <zequence> Instead of having a competition, just say you would like to interview as many as possible, but it also depends on time
[11:12] <sakrecoer_> excellent one!!
[11:42] <sakrecoer_> its out there... thanks for the push zequence !
[11:43] <sakrecoer_> I send it to dev list anyways, no reason to exclude it..
[11:52] <zequence> sakrecoer_: I answered your post on the mail list. Would you like to learn the whole procedure of building packages?
[11:53] <zequence> ubuntustudio-menu is a perfect package to start with, so if you have ideas for changes later, you could do the changes yourself.
[11:55] <zequence> Whenever you get any ideas for changes to it, just let me know, and I'll walk you through the whole procedure
[11:55] <zequence> OR, if you want to just learn how to build and upload to a PPA, we can do that anytime
[11:57] <zequence> sakrecoer_: Double posting, or cross posting is usually not recommended. But, it's your soup :)
[12:00] <sakrecoer_> oh... right.... i actually know it.... typical nervous me.... :/
[12:01] <sakrecoer_> hopefully, it will make sense anyway, i ask people to answer me directly....
[12:02] <sakrecoer_> na well... first response dropped in. looking friendly :)
[12:02] <sakrecoer_> zequence: i'd love to learn the whole procedure!
[12:04] <zequence> sakrecoer_: So, have you made uploads to a PPA before?
[12:04] <sakrecoer_> i think you walked me through a bit with the scribus icon bug..
[12:04] <sakrecoer_> but... i wouldn't say i'm confient about it yet..
[12:05] <zequence> Right. I should add some really basic examples to our wiki.
[12:06] <zequence> Ok, time for a siesta on my part
[12:06] <sakrecoer_> i have to go to work now.... putting it in the wiki will make accessible to more of us..
[12:06] <sakrecoer_> haha! sweeeeeeet! i dream of siesta :)
[12:06] <sakrecoer_> have sweet siesta dreams!
[12:07] <zequence> sakrecoer_: Have fun at work :)
[14:36] <OvenWerk1> zequence: Thankyou.
[17:52] <zequence> OvenWerk1: No need to thank me, Len. It's my part of the job until someone else gets upload rights :).
[18:02] <sakrecoer_> feeling like Bill Medley and Jennifer Warnes at work, and i owe it all to youbuntustudio :D maybe those imagemagick entries are intended for me to learn?
[18:03] <sakrecoer_> looks like imagemagick is a synfig dependency
[20:32] <OvenWerk1> sakrecoer_: just sent you email re imagemagick.
[21:03] <sakrecoer_> Your rock OvenWerk1 :) just answered!
[21:03] <sakrecoer_> read y'all tomorrow!
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[00:02] <mup> Bug #1519128 opened: lxd provider fails to cleanup on failed bootstrap <lxd> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519128>
[00:21] <davechen1y> thumper: mwhudson go 1.5.2 release status https://groups.google.com/d/msg/golang-dev/JcZNxZgRR04/yjDXSO_RAQAJ
[00:22] <davechen1y> thumper: why does fslock have an IsLocked method ?
[00:22] <davechen1y> raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacy
[00:23] <mwhudson> davechen1y: very very close then
[00:23] <davechen1y> pyup
[00:24] <davechen1y> i just saw the ppc32 rel cl land
[00:24] <davechen1y> looks like austin has got another horrid gc bug
[00:24] <davechen1y> but i don't think it'll hold up the release
[00:24] <davechen1y> i asked russ last week if there was value in doing a release candidate for the rc
[00:25] <davechen1y> but he reminded me that they can always relase go 1.5.3, so there is no value in waiting to get 1.5.2 perfect
[00:26] <mup> Bug #1519133 opened: cmd/jujud/agent: data race <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519133>
[00:26] <davechen1y> Found 7 data race(s)
[00:26] <davechen1y> FAIL github.com/juju/juju/provider/ec2 531.204s
[00:32] <davechen1y> thumper: mgz, I should have a PR ready to disable the -race build on the remaining failing packages
[00:33] <davechen1y> would it be pssible to kick off another race job as soon as I check that in, or should I wait for the overnight run ?
[00:56] <mup> Bug # opened: 1519141, 1519144, 1519145, 1519147
[00:59] <mup> Bug #1519149 opened: worker/uniter/remotestate: data race <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519149>
[01:02] <davechen1y> axw: thumper menn0 https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3806
[01:05] <axw> davechen1y: LGTM
[01:05] <mup> Bug #1519149 changed: worker/uniter/remotestate: data race <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519149>
[01:08] <mup> Bug #1519149 opened: worker/uniter/remotestate: data race <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519149>
[01:11] <davechen1y> ^ eventual consistency eh mup ?
[01:17] <mup> Bug #1519149 changed: worker/uniter/remotestate: data race <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519149>
[01:26] <mup> Bug #1519149 opened: worker/uniter/remotestate: data race <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519149>
[01:41] <thumper> oh shit
[01:42] <davechen1y> ?
[01:42] <davechen1y> wallyworld: is there any way to kick off http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/3346/job/run-unit-tests-race/attempt/597
[01:42] <davechen1y> this job immediately ?
[01:43] <wallyworld> davechen1y: not sure, i'll see if i can
[01:45] <davechen1y> thanks
[01:45] <davechen1y> i'd like to get started on restoring the tests i just commented out
[01:46] <wallyworld> davechen1y: it needs a revision_build param, i'm not sure if that is a git sha or something else
[01:46] <wallyworld> i can look at previous logs
[01:46] <wallyworld> unless sinzui is still around?
[01:47] <sinzui> davechen1y: to re-run that same attempt?
[01:49] <davechen1y> sinzui: no, a new attempt please, at 7652514bc7127bf9e1c283479b32733933708da7
[01:50] <sinzui> davechen1y: which branch is that. That will trigger a full round of tests
[01:50] <sinzui> oh
[01:51] <sinzui> davechen1y: CI got clobbered again. YES I will make CI pickup master tip now
[01:52] <sinzui> ericsnow: I forced the ubuntu alias to point to the wily lxd image. We have a pass. I will update the bug with what I did to make lxd and Juju happy http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/view/Juju%20Revisions/job/lxd-deploy-wily-amd64/51/console
[01:54] <davechen1y> sinzui: yes, that's on master now
[01:54] <davechen1y> thanks
[01:55] <sinzui> davechen1y: your job will start in about 7 minutes.
[01:55] <axw> I'm finished being mean to anastasiamac, your turn now
[01:56] <axw> wallyworld: ^^
[01:56] <anastasiamac> axw: \o/
[01:56] <wallyworld> oh, alright
[01:56] <anastasiamac> axw: ur patience is phenominal and greatly appreciated!!!
[02:00] <davechen1y> sinzui: tahnks
[02:02] <anastasiamac> axw: wallyworld: m hitting "land-me-quickly",... all bruised and battered \o/
[02:02] <wallyworld> master is blocked
[02:03] <wallyworld> just joking!! :-D
[02:03] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: it's k. m on feature branch :D
[02:03] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: which somehow feels even more painful \o/
[02:18] <natefinch> axw: got a second?
[02:18] <axw> natefinch: heya, what's up?
[02:18] <natefinch> axw: I was looking at bug 1517344, but not sure what the actual repro steps are.
[02:18] <mup> Bug #1517344: state: initially assigned units don't get storage attachments <bug-squad> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517344>
[02:19] * thumper pulls a sadface
[02:19] <thumper> investigating one bug, and found at least four others
[02:19] <axw> natefinch: you'll need a charm that requires storage. just deploy it, and the storage doesn't get added anymore. I'll push my testing charm to LP
[02:20] <thumper> sinzui: if you see the race job pass, please make it voting :)
[02:20] <natefinch> axw: I saw the storage docs mention cs:~axwalk/postgresql ... is that still a valid test case?
[02:20] <axw> natefinch: I think so, but I haven't tried using it in a while
[02:20] * natefinch tries
[02:20] <sinzui> thumper: that job cannot be voting for 1.25 though. That will be tricky
[02:21] <thumper> sinzui: no, just master
[02:21] <thumper> sinzui: and the upcoming 1.26
[02:21] <sinzui> thumper: yeah, we don't have branch level voting. it will be tricky
[02:21] <axw> natefinch: otherwise there's cs:~axwalk/trusty/storagetest
[02:21] <thumper> sinzui: oh?
[02:21] <natefinch> axw: cool, thanks
[02:21] * thumper is surprised
[02:22] <axw> natefinch: just "juju deploy cs:~axwalk/trusty/storagetest" *should* give you a unit of that service with a single "filesystem" storage instance
[02:22] <thumper> how do you go about adding ci tests for new branches that don't work on old branches?
[02:22] <thumper> sinzui: ^^
[02:22] <axw> natefinch: I think if you deploy the service and then add the unit (separate step), the second unit will get storage
[02:23] <sinzui> thumper: the test exit early with pass, I can do that for 1.25 and older, but we also not run the test.
[02:23] <davechen1y> sinzui: can I watch the progress of the job ?
[02:23] <sinzui> davechen1y: yes
[02:23] <thumper> sinzui: that is probably fine
[02:23] <davechen1y> sinzui: could you tell me the link please
[02:24] <sinzui> davechen1y: http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/run-unit-tests-race/599/console
[02:24] <davechen1y> ahh, it's a jenkins job
[02:24] <davechen1y> that's what I needed to know
[02:24] <davechen1y> now I can solve my own question
[02:24] <sinzui> thumper: Yeah, I thiknk so. We weren't learning anything from the 1.25 runs
[02:24] <davechen1y> poop
[02:24] <davechen1y> 404
[02:25] <davechen1y> and an empty stack trace for good measure
[02:25] <axw> davechen1y: you have to be logged in
[02:25] <davechen1y> how do I log in ?
[02:25] <davechen1y> i've never logged in
[02:25] <davechen1y> can the job be changed to public
[02:25] <davechen1y> i don't think itneeds to be private
[02:32] <natefinch> lol "WARNING: config not found or invalid" wait... what? Which is it?
[02:33] <natefinch> q
[02:35] <davechen1y> natefinch: try double negative
[02:35] <davechen1y> config not not found or not invalid == success!
[02:41] <natefinch> I just ... how do you not know if it doesn't exist? Why does the code not differentiate?
[02:43] <natefinch> also, juju thinks some of the random juju-* processes in my bin directory are juju plugins and tries to run them when I use tab complete and ends up panicking because that's not what they are
[02:44] <axw> wallyworld: left some comments on your PR
[02:44] <natefinch> s/processes/executables
[02:44] <wallyworld> axw: ty
[02:44] <davechen1y> ok github.com/juju/juju/api/uniter1532.421s
[02:44] <davechen1y> yay cloud
[02:44] <axw> wow
[02:45] <axw> davechen1y: the CI job takes >60s for the joyent tests, takes ~2s on my desktop :/
[02:45] <davechen1y> yay cloud
[02:46] <davechen1y> the raison d'etre of false economies
[02:48] <natefinch> if only we had some way to run a cloud on top of our own fast bare metal....
[02:48] <natefinch> (not that we don't need to run cloud specific tests, obv...)
[02:50] <davechen1y> natefinch: you mean like a laptop
[02:50] <davechen1y> with ubuntu installed on it ?
[02:51] <natefinch> davechen1y: I know they're hard to find in this company, but maybe we could scrounge up a few
[03:00] <natefinch> thumper: whelp. One more thing to add to my airing of grievances against YAML this year.
[03:00] <thumper> \o/
[03:05] <davechen1y> YAML, the configuration format so flexible, no matter what the issue -- it's your fault.
[03:05] <natefinch> lol
[03:07] <thumper> davechen1y: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1517632
[03:07] <mup> Bug #1517632: juju upgrade-juju after upload-tools fails <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517632>
[03:07] <thumper> davechen1y: hangout to chat about it?
[03:07] <davechen1y> thumper: i'll me you in the 1:1
[03:07] <thumper> k
[03:09] <wallyworld> axw: replied. since there's doubt, i can ask for clarification from rick etc
[03:09] <natefinch> my favorite is still base 60 notation... so a value of 8080:22 is interpreted as 484822.0 but a value of 8080:61 is interpreted as a string "8080:61"
[03:14] <axw> wallyworld: yes, please
[03:14] <wallyworld> ok
[03:15] <mup> Bug #1519176 opened: apiserver/provisioner: tests unreliable under -race <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519176>
[03:18] <mup> Bug #1519176 changed: apiserver/provisioner: tests unreliable under -race <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519176>
[03:21] <mup> Bug #1519176 opened: apiserver/provisioner: tests unreliable under -race <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519176>
[03:27] <mup> Bug #1519176 changed: apiserver/provisioner: tests unreliable under -race <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519176>
[03:30] <mup> Bug #1519176 opened: apiserver/provisioner: tests unreliable under -race <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519176>
[03:42] <davechen1y> FAILgithub.com/juju/juju/featuretests1411.997s
[03:43] <wallyworld> axw: i was wrong in my reply - deploy --series wily will cause subsequent add unit commands to use wily
[03:43] <axw> wallyworld: with your branch?
[03:43] <axw> wallyworld: or that's the expected outcome?
[03:43] <wallyworld> axw: with my branch and master
[03:43] <wallyworld> that's te current behavour
[03:44] <wallyworld> but we still need --force to get such a unit on a non wily machine each time
[03:44] <wallyworld> that's what i was trying to say
[03:44] <wallyworld> but got confused
[03:44] <axw> wallyworld: ok, so can you just record the Force flag on the service then?
[03:44] <wallyworld> that's what i don't want to do
[03:44] <wallyworld> juju add-unit will still used wily without --force
[03:45] <wallyworld> but it will use a new wily machine
[03:45] <mup> Bug #1519183 opened: featuretests: tests fail under -race because of crappy timing issues <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519183>
[03:45] <wallyworld> --force is needed if we want to use a non wily clean/empty machne
[03:45] <axw> wallyworld: non capisco
[03:45] <wallyworld> quick hangout?
[03:45] <axw> ok
[03:45] <wallyworld> stndup
[03:46] <wallyworld> axw: am in standup hangout fwiw
[04:03] <mup> Bug #1519189 opened: worker/leadership: FAIL: TrackerSuite.TestGainLeadership <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519189>
[04:08] <cherylj> davechen1y I see you've inherited bug 1517632. Congrats :)
[04:08] <mup> Bug #1517632: juju upgrade-juju after upload-tools fails <juju-core:Triaged by dave-cheney> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517632>
[04:08] <cherylj> davechen1y: could you put in an update before you EOD?
[04:08] <cherylj> davechen1y: I'll need to follow up with bootstack in the morning
[04:11] <davechen1y> cherylj: i'm working on something else today
[04:11] <davechen1y> i have no update
[04:11] <davechen1y> feel free to unasign me
[04:11] <davechen1y> (thumper only gave me the bug 20 minutes ago)
[04:11] <mup> Bug #20: Sort translatable packages by popcon popularity and nearness to completion <feature> <lp-translations> <Launchpad itself:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/20>
[04:11] <cherylj> ha, funny mup
[04:11] <thumper> cherylj: short answer is nothing on this one so far
[04:12] <mup> Bug #1519189 changed: worker/leadership: FAIL: TrackerSuite.TestGainLeadership <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519189>
[04:12] <cherylj> wallyworld: did you say you had an environment where you can reproduce bug 1517632?
[04:12] <mup> Bug #1517632: juju upgrade-juju after upload-tools fails <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517632>
[04:13] <wallyworld> cherylj: one sec
[04:15] <mup> Bug #1519189 opened: worker/leadership: FAIL: TrackerSuite.TestGainLeadership <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519189>
[04:15] <mup> Bug #1519190 opened: worker/addresser: FAIL: worker_test.go:260: workerEnabledSuite.TestWorkerAcceptsBrokenRelease <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519190>
[04:15] <mup> Bug #1519191 opened: worker/addresser: FAIL: worker_test.go:260: workerEnabledSuite.TestWorkerAcceptsBrokenRelease <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519191>
[04:16] <wallyworld> cherylj: i think i saw it once on a stock 1.25 deployment i ran to specifically test the issue but thay env is long gone
[04:17] <wallyworld> but in general, i was not able to repro again after that
[04:17] <wallyworld> but i am pretty sure wayne said he could repro on 1.25
[04:18] <cherylj> wallyworld: okay, thanks.
[04:18] <wallyworld> sorry :-(
[04:19] <wallyworld> maybe 1.25 is ok after all
[04:19] <wallyworld> and it nly affects 1.22
[04:25] <axw> wallyworld: forgot to ask: any issues with adding URL to RemoteService?
[04:26] <axw> wallyworld: then it'll be possible to have a different service name locally than what's in the service directory
[04:27] <wallyworld> axw: i don't think so offhand. i havn't got that branch open but i would have thought wed be recording ServiceURL in the remote service data model. we are not?
[04:27] <axw> wallyworld: nope, just name, endpoints, life, relation-count
[04:28] <wallyworld> axw: hmmm, i'm sure i meant to add it. sigh
[04:28] <axw> wallyworld: I'll add it in my branch
[04:28] <wallyworld> ty
[04:32] <cherylj> wallyworld: in another upgrade bug.... Have you ever seen this message" "upgrader.go:185 desired version is 1.24.7, but current version is 1.23.3 and agent is not a manager node"
[04:32] <wallyworld> cherylj: wow, no :-(
[04:32] <cherylj> I think the state server doesn't think it's the state server
[04:32] <wallyworld> yeah, that's really sucky
[04:33] <cherylj> think there's any chance of recovery around that?
[04:33] <mup> Bug #1498968 changed: ERROR environment destruction failed: destroying storage: listing volumes: An internal error has occurred (InternalError) <destroy-environment> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498968>
[04:33] <wallyworld> cherylj: looks like something hasn't replicated
[04:33] <wallyworld> cherylj: we'd need to see juju status to see what version each agent is
[04:34] <wallyworld> to et an idea of where to start
[04:34] <cherylj> I don't think any have upgraded.
[04:36] <wallyworld> cherylj: ah right ok. hmmm, do retrying the upgrade work?
[04:37] <cherylj> wallyworld: no :(
[04:37] <wallyworld> we'd need logs etc then sadly :-(
[04:37] <wallyworld> and juju status
[04:37] <cherylj> I have machine-0 log. Should I also ask for syslog?
[04:38] <wallyworld> would be good to see allmacines.log
[04:38] <wallyworld> or at least logs from all the HA state servers
[04:38] <wallyworld> and syslog for mongo won't hurt
[04:38] <cherylj> here's the worrisome part, though. They went from 1.20 -> 1.23.3->1.24.7. And I know 1.23 had issues.
[04:38] <wallyworld> and possibly --debug from client
[04:38] <cherylj> wondering if that had something to do with it
[04:38] <wallyworld> if they got off 1.23 that's a good sign
[04:39] <cherylj> they didn't. It's the step to 1.24.7 that hit this problem
[04:39] <wallyworld> 1.23 tended to hang and not be able to be upgraded
[04:39] <mup> Bug #1498968 opened: ERROR environment destruction failed: destroying storage: listing volumes: An internal error has occurred (InternalError) <destroy-environment> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498968>
[04:39] <thumper> well...
[04:39] <wallyworld> cherylj: the symptom i was aware of was that agents got dealocked, but this seems different
[04:40] <thumper> if you use juju ssh to log into an lxd machine, then go 'less /var/log/juju/machine-3.log' you might not get things in the right order
[04:40] <thumper> NFI why
[04:40] <thumper> but if you copy the file to the host, then look, the file is all good
[04:40] <cherylj> wallyworld: yeah...
[04:41] <wallyworld> cherylj: it may well be a related problem and the scripts meno did may help, but because that error message i have not seen before, can't be sure
[04:41] <wallyworld> hence logs etc
[04:41] <cherylj> okay, thanks wallyworld
[04:41] <wallyworld> thumper: lxd hates you. they put in that easter egg just for you and now you'v found it. well done
[04:42] <thumper> \o/
[04:42] * thumper goes to look for wine
[04:45] <mup> Bug #1498968 changed: ERROR environment destruction failed: destroying storage: listing volumes: An internal error has occurred (InternalError) <destroy-environment> <juju-core:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498968>
[04:46] <davechen1y> sinzui: can you kick the job off again with 8b4e8b7d037c52c9a0df00d8227366033eea04d9
[04:46] <davechen1y> i tried to do it myself but http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/job/run-unit-tests-race/600/console
[04:47] <sinzui> davechen1y: CI is still testing the last revision. Ci Will automaticlly start the next master or 1.25 revision
[04:48] <davechen1y> ok, thanks
[04:49] <sinzui> davechen1y: I think the next round of testing will be in 15 minutes. master tip will be selected
[04:55] <davechen1y> sinzui: thanks, I think I have now excluded all the troublesome packages
[04:56] <sinzui> davechen1y: you rock
[05:17] <sinzui> davechen1y: I am off to sleep: Your job is running. http://juju-ci.vapour.ws:8080/view/Juju%20Revisions/job/run-unit-tests-race/601/console
[05:23] <axw> wallyworld: I thought you were going to undo all the state changes? aren't they all unnecessary for this branch, since the series is just encoded in the charm URL?
[05:24] <axw> wallyworld: i.e. the only place we check series is when resolving the URL
[05:24] <wallyworld> axw: i left in the ones needed for unit placement
[05:24] <axw> ok
[05:24] <wallyworld> sorry, but i did remove the clean policy ones
[05:32] <natefinch> axw: ahh, I see the problem with storage at service creation time. Service.unitStorageOps tries to read the database to get the service constraints, but obviously they haven't been written yet.
[05:35] <axw> natefinch: yep, that'll be part of it. assignToNewMachine isn't even calling that though?
[05:36] <natefinch> axw: it's during unit creation that I see the difference, not assignment
[05:37] <axw> natefinch: ok. so the unit's not getting storage associated, and then of course when you go to assign it's got no storage so doesn't create attachments.. makes sense
[05:37] <natefinch> correct
[05:38] <natefinch> easy enough to do what I did with the rest of the stuff, which is factor out how the constraints are discovered and just pass them in
[05:41] <natefinch> yay, unused variable compiler error saves me again
[05:43] <natefinch> and fixed.
[05:44] <axw> natefinch: excellent, thank you
[05:44] <axw> wallyworld: you're going to be adding support for add-unit --series right?
[05:45] <axw> wallyworld: or is it just add-unit --to --force
[05:45] <wallyworld> axw: not in very next branch. am wondering if i should just hold off on that
[05:45] <wallyworld> thinking about just "juju add-unit --to 1 --force"
[05:45] <wallyworld> but --to implies force i guess
[05:45] <wallyworld> as we discussed
[05:45] <axw> wallyworld: right, so I'm wondering if propagating Force is required at all
[05:46] <axw> wallyworld: if you specify --series, you'll need to record that on the unit doc
[05:46] <natefinch> hmm... I'd prefer a force there.. to keep me from screwing myself if I typo or just forget that a machine is the wrong series
[05:46] <wallyworld> i am still vascilating on whether we want --force
[05:46] <natefinch> or just an "are you sure?" or something
[05:46] <axw> natefinch: --to already overrides everything else
[05:47] <axw> as in, your constraints may be ignored if you use --to (e.g. in MAAS if you specify --to <node>)
[05:47] <natefinch> yeah, but almost everything else is a nice to have for performance etc. ... series is like "this stuff may totally not function"
[05:47] <wallyworld> axw: actually, i forgot to mention - --to does not override series mismatch
[05:47] <wallyworld> currently
[05:48] <wallyworld> see assignToMachineOps
[05:48] <wallyworld> so i think that's what convices me we want --force
[05:48] <axw> wallyworld: right, so the question is do we change --to from meaning "do what I say" to "do what I say (except if it's series, in which case I have to force you to do what I say)"
[05:49] <wallyworld> so changing semantics for a non 2.0 release would not be good
[05:49] <wallyworld> i think being conservative here is good and then we get feedback from feature buddies
[05:50] <wallyworld> that's IMHO
[05:50] <wallyworld> i can see both sides
[05:50] <natefinch> hopefully it'll generally be a non-issue as charms become more multi-series compatible
[05:50] <axw> you're changing semantics one way or the other
[05:50] <wallyworld> we aren't changing default --to behaviour
[05:50] <wallyworld> just adding a new option
[05:51] <axw> wallyworld: no, but you are changing what --to means
[05:51] <wallyworld> really?
[05:51] <natefinch> axw: --to can't override a charm's series now
[05:51] <axw> due to an existing limitation, yes
[05:51] <wallyworld> i'm not sure we are changing what --to means. --to means "do not choose a machine for me or create one, use this one"
[05:52] <axw> right. but why do I have to --force for series and not anything else?
[05:52] <wallyworld> partly because that's the current semantics, and also --to now overrides placement, not compatability per se
[05:52] <axw> seems a bit arbitrary. I may have a charm that requires 64GiB RAM, but I've said to deploy to punydevice and it'll happily do that
[05:53] <wallyworld> overriding series is more of a compatability issue potentially
[05:53] <wallyworld> i can se the point about memory
[05:53] <natefinch> you can't use --to to put cs:trusty/mysql on a vivid machine in 1.25, can you?
[05:53] <wallyworld> no
[05:54] <natefinch> then having it also fail with series in metadata seems completely consistent
[05:54] <natefinch> adding a flag that changes the behavior is certainly not breaking backwards compatibility of the CLI
[05:54] <wallyworld> that's my argument also
[05:54] <wallyworld> but i can also see the other side
[05:55] <wallyworld> but for me, the backwards compatability argument wins
[05:55] <natefinch> --to may be inconsistent with respect to constraints, but that's the way it has been. I don't think changing it at this point is a good idea.
[05:56] <axw> backwards compatibility matters when you're changing something that was possible that something that is not possible. we're doing the opposite.
[05:56] <natefinch> anyway, past bedtime for me
[05:56] * axw continues review anyway
[05:56] <axw> natefinch: good night
[05:57] <axw> wallyworld: what I'm getting at is: why would anyone care if they previously couldn't go "--to <machine-with-different-series>" and now they can?
[05:57] <wallyworld> people may have script that check errors etc
[05:58] <wallyworld> or expect errors
[05:58] <axw> wallyworld: I cannot fathom why anyone would script that, except in CI to test for failures
[05:59] <wallyworld> me either, but then again as we see every day, customers do weird shit with juju
[05:59] <axw> wallyworld: https://xkcd.com/1172/
[06:00] <wallyworld> very relevant
[06:00] <wallyworld> ok, i'll change it
[06:01] <axw> WINNER
[06:01] <axw> I call that argument "appeal to XKCD"
[06:01] <wallyworld> not sure i fully agree, but we can iterate
[06:01] <wallyworld> i can honestly see both sides
[06:02] <axw> wallyworld: yes, this is my opinion of course. I think you should at least bring it up with fwereade
[06:02] <axw> my not-very-humble opinion
[06:02] <wallyworld> after i land the branch so that it will be too late
[06:02] <axw> heh :) up to you
[06:03] <wallyworld> it was 2v1, maybe he will make it 2v2
[06:12] <axw> wallyworld: oh shit. looks like azure-sdk-for-go is using a too-new version of x/crypto :/
[06:12] <wallyworld> \o/
[06:12] <axw> wallyworld: can't build on 1.2. are we updating soon?
[06:12] <wallyworld> sigh
[07:28] <wallyworld> axw: so, this test TestDeployBundleInvalidSeries now fails with --to now not complaining about series mismatch. I think it's valid to accept the bundle case as highlighted in the test as something that should now work
[07:28] <wallyworld> agree?
[07:40] <davechen1y> mgz: the -race build finally passed !!
[08:48] <fwereade> dooferlad, do you have a moment to look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/13479943/ please?
[09:08] <dooferlad> fwereade: on it
[09:09] <axw> wallyworld: sorry, I missed your message. I think so, yes
[09:09] <wallyworld> axw: np, i've pushed changes
[09:24] <dooferlad> fwereade: please review: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3221/
[10:02] <dimitern> jam, fwereade, voidspace, standup?
[10:04] <voidspace> dimitern: omw
[10:05] <voidspace> dimitern: gah, 2fa dance
[10:20] <voidspace> dooferlad: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13491666/
[10:21] <voidspace> dooferlad: fails with http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13491674/
[10:40] <voidspace> dooferlad: from that output the space name seems to be being serialised as "string" not "space"
[10:41] <voidspace> next issue, unreserved ranges is a map not an array
[10:41] <voidspace> just testing with real maas to see if that's my bug - probably is :-)
[10:43] <dooferlad> voidspace: looking
[10:48] <voidspace> dooferlad: hmmm... unreserved-ip-ranges should return an array
[10:48] <voidspace> dooferlad: looks like it's returning a map
[10:49] <voidspace> dooferlad: I haven't looked at the tests for unreserved ranges, just observing the error in my code (requested array got map)
[10:50] <voidspace> dooferlad: although your test is deserialising into an array
[10:51] <voidspace> dooferlad: I'll look again, it's possible there's a bug that only sends a map when the array is empty (I didn't populate the ranges first - haven't got that far in my test)
[10:51] <dooferlad> voidspace: OK
[10:53] <voidspace> hmmm... my code looks good
[10:54] <voidspace> unless it should be "unreserved_ip_ranges"
[10:54] <voidspace> checking the maas docs :-)
[10:54] <voidspace> problem is that maas ignores unrecognised ops
[10:54] <dooferlad> voidspace: I went with underscore
[10:54] <dooferlad> voidspace: which I think is what the doc has
[10:54] <voidspace> dooferlad: underscores are correct, the maas command line translates them
[10:55] <voidspace> dooferlad: however I missed an _ip off the middle of the op
[10:55] <voidspace> so I'm calling the wrong op
[10:55] <voidspace> which is why I'm getting the wrong response
[10:55] <voidspace> so another bug that testing has discovered...
[10:55] <voidspace> the space name issue is still a real issue though as far as I can see
[10:59] <voidspace> dooferlad: dammit, I need "reserved_ip_ranges" not unreserved
[10:59] <voidspace> sorry :-/
[10:59] <voidspace> that was a bug in my code too
[11:00] <dooferlad> voidspace: I did both
[11:00] <voidspace> ah, I get an EOF reading reserved_ip_ranges
[11:00] <voidspace> I'll look into that
[11:04] <voidspace> dooferlad: when I call reserved_ip_ranges I'm looking for the range with "purpose" set to ["dynamic-range"]
[11:04] <voidspace> dooferlad: can I set that with the test server?
[11:06] <dooferlad> It would be easy enough to do
[11:08] <voidspace> I can see the Purpose field on AddressRange exists
[11:08] <voidspace> dooferlad: note that the address range responses for reserved_ip_ranges and unreserved_ip_ranges are different
[11:09] <voidspace> so *technically* having a Purpose field for the unreserved response is incorrect
[11:09] <voidspace> however I don't think anyone will actually care
[11:09] <dooferlad> voidspace: as long as your code doesn't care :-)
[11:09] <voidspace> it doesn't :-)
[11:09] <voidspace> I'm not currently using reserved ranges
[11:09] <voidspace> maybe the code that does address allocation should use it
[11:10] <voidspace> but even then it wouldn't care about an extra Purpose field
[11:10] <voidspace> grabbing coffee
[11:13] <dooferlad> voidspace: also grabbing coffee
[11:17] <wallyworld> fwereade: hey, with series in metadata work, we now support "juju deploy mysql --series vivid --force" to allow a non-vivid charm to be deployed on a vivid machine. we'd like to also make --to for unit placement able to override series just as it overrides other machine constraints, ie "juju add-unit mysql --to 1" would deploy mysql on a vivid machine 1 even if mysql does not support vivid. Note that there was no use of --force in
[11:17] <wallyworld> that add-unit command. The proposal is to make --to put a unit on a nominated machine and treat series as being overidden just the same as mem etc
[11:17] <wallyworld> the counter option is "juju add-unit mysql --to 1 --force"
[11:17] <wallyworld> but that gives series a special meaning for --to
[11:18] <fwereade> wallyworld, I must say I don't really understand the use case: when is someone expert enough to do that but can't add the series to the charm anyway?
[11:18] <wallyworld> not for a charm store charm no
[11:19] <wallyworld> eg charm store charm supports precise, trusty
[11:19] <fwereade> wallyworld, and it opens that bag of rattlesnakes re subordinates etc
[11:19] <wallyworld> well sort of, but when deploying a subordinate, a series check would be done
[11:20] <wallyworld> unless --to were specified
[11:20] <fwereade> wallyworld, you can't place subordinnates
[11:20] <wallyworld> the semantics would be the same
[11:20] <fwereade> wallyworld, and it ends up meaning that the existence of a subordinate relation tells you nothing about whether or not subordinnates will exist
[11:20] <wallyworld> so there we'd use --force
[11:21] <fwereade> wallyworld, add-relation --force?
[11:21] <fwereade> wallyworld, don't think that works
[11:21] <wallyworld> that's orthogonal the current issue though
[11:21] <fwereade> wallyworld, we just need to accept that if you allow series-breaking deploys we also cause arbitrary series-breaking deploys of any subordinnates
[11:22] <fwereade> wallyworld, it's not -- we're breaking a fundamental assumption on which all manner of things rest
[11:22] <wallyworld> only to date with one charm one series
[11:22] <wallyworld> that model is on the way out
[11:23] <fwereade> wallyworld, I think "we will deploy stuff that works" is a kinda important principle
[11:23] <fwereade> wallyworld, the choice is simple
[11:23] <wallyworld> so this is paving the way to deal with that but also allow users control
[11:23] <wallyworld> we have a clear directive to allow this to happen
[11:24] <fwereade> wallyworld, if we allow deliberate I-know-better breakage of one service, we inevitably open the dorr to surprising breakage of subordinates
[11:24] <fwereade> wallyworld, and that's fine, it's a choice we can make
[11:24] <fwereade> wallyworld, but I see no awareness that we're adding a whole new class of inscrutable failure mode to juju or what we're going to do about it
[11:25] <wallyworld> well, that's moot - we've been told to do it
[11:25] <fwereade> wallyworld, ok, so part of that is *addressing the issues that it raises*
[11:25] <wallyworld> there's not much we can do if a user deploys a precise charm to vivid and it breaks
[11:25] <fwereade> wallyworld, right
[11:25] <fwereade> wallyworld, that's fine
[11:25] <fwereade> wallyworld, the user said "do X, I know what I'm doing"
[11:25] <wallyworld> right, hence --to
[11:26] <wallyworld> which breaks mem and other constraints already
[11:26] <fwereade> wallyworld, no
[11:26] <fwereade> wallyworld, placement overrides constraints
[11:26] <wallyworld> right
[11:26] <fwereade> wallyworld, no complexity, no breakage, clear interaction model
[11:26] <wallyworld> it breaks things
[11:26] <wallyworld> if a charm needs 64M and you place it on a 2M machine, boom
[11:28] <fwereade> wallyworld, look, when you say "I want service X running on this series" that also, secretly and dynamically implies "I also want a bunch of other services forced onto this series too"
[11:28] <fwereade> wallyworld, (also... deploy-time and --to are *very* different...)
[11:28] <fwereade> wallyworld, deploy-time keeps us to one-service-one-series
[11:28] <wallyworld> deploy supports --to i think
[11:29] <fwereade> wallyworld, you're right there, but that can work just fine
[11:29] <wallyworld> it breaks the same way though
[11:30] <fwereade> wallyworld, --to, when handled by juju rather than a provider, implies force-series-of-target-machine
[11:30] <fwereade> wallyworld, do we have a mandate to allow multi-series *services*? because I am pretty sure we agreed to descope that precisely because of these concerns
[11:30] <wallyworld> in the same way it forces a charm into an environment that might not suit it memeory wise
[11:31] <wallyworld> services are single series
[11:31] <wallyworld> once the service doc series attribute is set, that defines the series of the units
[11:32] <fwereade> wallyworld, ok, so add-unit --to will barf on series mismatch?
[11:32] <wallyworld> but we still need to allow those units to be placed on any machine
[11:32] <wallyworld> it will now
[11:32] <wallyworld> but not by the end of this
[11:32] <wallyworld> it will barf on OS mismatch
[11:32] <fwereade> wallyworld, if you allow add-unit --to, you just implemented multi-series services
[11:33] <wallyworld> in a way
[11:33] <fwereade> wallyworld, which is a monster of complexity and unintended consequences
[11:33] <wallyworld> as is a number other things in juju
[11:33] <wallyworld> which we have had to do
[11:34] <fwereade> wallyworld, we agreed *not* to do multi-series services
[11:34] <fwereade> wallyworld, at least in phase one
[11:34] <wallyworld> ok, i'll tell people with pitch forks to come and see yu :-)
[11:35] <fwereade> wallyworld, multi-series services will be necessary and will be awesome
[11:35] <fwereade> wallyworld, but if we shoehorn them in like this we do nobody any favours
[11:35] <wallyworld> people want to override juju's behaviour
[11:36] <wallyworld> as with image id etc
[11:36] <wallyworld> we are fighting a losing battle
[11:36] <fwereade> wallyworld, all I am trying to do is to develop a product that has a chance of fucking *working*
[11:36] <wallyworld> but we'll hold off and see what pusback we get
[11:37] <fwereade> wallyworld, magical thinking is not actually a substitute for engineering
[11:37] <wallyworld> it works fine even with upload-tools, etc
[11:37] <wallyworld> which we said was evil
[11:37] <wallyworld> at some point, we have to cater for what users want even if it is not perfect
[11:38] <fwereade> wallyworld, upload-tools? you mean the feature that means we never know what version a client is running in the field? yeah that's fucking awesome
[11:38] <fwereade> wallyworld, yes
[11:38] <fwereade> wallyworld, I know
[11:38] <wallyworld> sarcasm aside, upload tools solves user problems
[11:38] <fwereade> wallyworld, I am advocating for us *thinking through consequences*
[11:38] <wallyworld> i don't like it either
[11:39] <fwereade> wallyworld, right
[11:39] <fwereade> wallyworld, it is a shitty half-assed solution
[11:39] <wallyworld> we can solve consequences through iteration
[11:39] <fwereade> wallyworld, are you fucking kidding me
[11:39] <fwereade> wallyworld, we cannot just break the model and hope it'll magically work itself out
[11:40] <wallyworld> that's not what i said
[11:40] <fwereade> wallyworld, look, we talked about all this inn the spec
[11:40] <wallyworld> and yet users still ask for it
[11:40] <fwereade> wallyworld, so the spec changed to include multi-series services?
[11:40] <fwereade> wallyworld, and we didn't reestimate?
[11:41] <fwereade> wallyworld, or take the time to answer the hard questions that caused us to defer the multi-series service bit?
[11:42] <wallyworld> the spec was updated yes, but full details of consequences not there becauses it's a requirements spec
[11:43] <wallyworld> i can strikeout some items for now and see what push back we get
[11:44] <fwereade> wallyworld, my understanding was that we'd drawn a line before multi-series services because the effort to do them right was *so much* higher
[11:46] <wallyworld> yeah, we try to
[11:46] <fwereade> wallyworld, I hope it's clear that I'm not even against it -- I just do not believe we will do anything but a shitty job of it if it slips in under the radar like this
[11:47] <wallyworld> sure, understood
[11:51] <wallyworld> fwereade: i think a lot of it comes down to - are we prepared to allow users to force subordinates onto a machine that the principal may also have been forced onto
[11:51] <wallyworld> or, we could continue to disallow that
[11:52] <fwereade> wallyworld, I *think* that doesn't quite come up?
[11:52] <fwereade> wallyworld, so long as each service has 1 series, you can only create subordinate relations between services with matching series
[11:53] <fwereade> wallyworld, and so, yes, we will want to be able to force subordinate series too
[11:53] <fwereade> wallyworld, but I think it keeps the door to the really surprising behaviour shut
[11:55] <wallyworld> is there really much difference between forcing a precise mysql charm onto a wily machine, and also forcing a rsyslog subordinate onto that wily machine?
[11:57] <voidspace> dooferlad: any idea on why "space" appears to be serialised as "string" in the test server?
[11:57] <dooferlad> voidspace: not yet
[11:57] <dooferlad> voidspace: hunting other bugs
[11:58] <voidspace> ok
[11:58] <voidspace> dooferlad: I can't currently deserialise a subnet - and *all* of my code needs to deserialise subnets
[11:58] <voidspace> dooferlad: so I can't currently test any of it :-/
[11:58] <dooferlad> voidspace: yea, will get to it ASAP
[11:58] <voidspace> it *may* still be my fault, but I can't see why
[11:58] <voidspace> dooferlad: cool, thanks
[11:59] <fwereade> wallyworld, the difference is entirely in whether it's been explicitly requested
[11:59] <voidspace> I'm continuing to write tests, but can't actually run them :-)
[11:59] <voidspace> I also need to be able to set the dynamic range to test that code - but I only really need that for a single test
[11:59] <fwereade> wallyworld, running a charm in an unexpected environment is reasonable when the user has said they know better
[12:00] <wallyworld> fwereade: right, so add-relation could do that check, but it would need though on how to make it nice to use
[12:00] <voidspace> dooferlad: an NewSubnetWithDynamicRange or similar would be fine
[12:00] <fwereade> wallyworld, it's when that leaks into other services -- and especially we don't have a clear model for all the edge cases -- that we have a problem
[12:00] <fwereade> wallyworld, add-relation already does that check
[12:00] <voidspace> dooferlad: not necessarily any need for a general purpose mechanism for specifying the purpose of ranges
[12:02] <fwereade> wallyworld, I wholeheartedly agree that it would be awesome to do clever things that Just Work, but I would rather restrict the domain to simple things that Just Work and figure out how to grow from there
[12:02] <wallyworld> right, which is sort of what we were doing
[12:02] <fwereade> wallyworld, it is, so long as we don't introduce multi-series services
[12:03] <fwereade> wallyworld, and I think we really do get plenty of user value out of phase 1
[12:03] <wallyworld> it is simple to deploy the initial multi-series units
[12:04] <wallyworld> that Just Works, and the growing bit is how to allow explcit override for incompatible suborinates :-)
[12:04] <wallyworld> but we'll skip that for now then
[12:04] <fwereade> wallyworld, strongly disagree -- it puts us into broken states and forces us to figure out how to get out of them
[12:05] <wallyworld> what's broekn? it's no more broken that deploying a trusty charm to a vivid machine in the first place
[12:05] <fwereade> wallyworld, AIUI the use case is "deploy a charm to a series not explicitly supported" not "deploy cross-series services"
[12:05] <wallyworld> but the latter boils down to the former
[12:06] <fwereade> wallyworld, if I say "deploy trusty-X on vivid", I am explicitly telling juju to do something strange/new
[12:06] <wallyworld> sure, and if i say replace this trusty subordinate to this vivid mysql, same thing
[12:06] <wallyworld> relate*
[12:06] <fwereade> wallyworld, if it then turns out that it *also* meant "oh, and an arbitrary set of other services might have some of their units deployed on mixed series"
[12:07] <fwereade> wallyworld, that feels like a pretty harsh violation of least surprise
[12:07] <dooferlad> voidspace: space name issue fixed
[12:07] <wallyworld> but it's the same basic premise - deploying charms onto machines with mismatched series if the user says it;s ok
[12:07] <dooferlad> voidspace: I also changed the JSON output to be pretty printed so debugging is easier
[12:07] <wallyworld> there's no surprise, the user has ok'ed everything
[12:08] <fwereade> wallyworld, how so?
[12:08] <wallyworld> by telling juju it's ok to relate this subordinate to this principal even though the series don't match
[12:09] <wallyworld> maybe this point is moot - all the charms will be migrated to multi-series :-)
[12:09] <fwereade> wallyworld, but that's just another implicit inroad into multi-series services -- yeah, exactly
[12:10] <wallyworld> but as a user it would suck if i had a trusty rsyslog that i couldn't use
[12:10] <fwereade> wallyworld, it will suck exactly as much as it does today -- they can deploy another rsyslog to vivid and relate that one
[12:10] <fwereade> wallyworld, not great? sure
[12:10] <fwereade> wallyworld, but it's what you have to do already
[12:11] <fwereade> wallyworld, and it's not the problem we're trying to solve with force-series-deploy
[12:11] <fwereade> wallyworld, it's related, it's probably the *next* problem to solve
[12:12] <wallyworld> fwereade: well today you can't deploy the rsyslog to vivid - well you can, but the series is still trusty
[12:12] <wallyworld> so you are screwed
[12:12] <fwereade> wallyworld, but largely because it's a special case of "multi-series *services* are the logical next step from multi-series charms"
[12:12] <fwereade> wallyworld, huh? if you force rsyslog to vivid *surely* the service has series vivid?
[12:13] <wallyworld> maybe, i'd need to check
[12:13] <fwereade> wallyworld, if we're checking charm series not service series then, ok, we need to update the model
[12:13] <fwereade> wallyworld, but that's not a major change afaics
[12:15] <wallyworld> fwereade: so if you have a trusty rsyslog, off hand, i don't think you can force it to vivid. if you try and deploy using --to, it ha to be to a trusty machine
[12:16] <fwereade> wallyworld, ok, now I'm super confused
[12:16] <wallyworld> you can now with series in metadat awork
[12:16] <fwereade> wallyworld, I thought this work was, literally, you can now do that
[12:16] <fwereade> wallyworld, ok cool
[12:16] <wallyworld> but not in 1.25 unless i am misremebering
[12:16] <fwereade> wallyworld, no we agree there
[12:16] <wallyworld> so in 1.25 you are screwed
[12:17] <wallyworld> and as a user that sucks
[12:17] <wallyworld> i want to tell juju to do my bidding
[12:17] <wallyworld> and not have juju say "no"
[12:17] <fwereade> wallyworld, no argument there... but I thought we were talking about the series in metadata work
[12:17] <wallyworld> right, but if i want multiseries services, then juju should do that
[12:17] <wallyworld> even if i need to --force or --to
[12:18] <fwereade> wallyworld, in which case surely you can deploy whatever charm with whatever forced series you like, and get a service with the forced series that happens to use a charm for a different series
[12:18] <fwereade> wallyworld, I agree it should, yes
[12:18] <fwereade> wallyworld, but it should not do so by exploding the space of surprising deployment possibilities and hoping they aren't too painful
[12:19] <fwereade> wallyworld, especially not when we scoped it to solve a problem and ISTM that it is fulfilling that with deploy-time only
[12:19] <wallyworld> not surprising if i ask juju to do it :-) but we've already been over that
[12:19] <fwereade> wallyworld, if we're missing anything, how about upgrade-charm?
[12:19] <wallyworld> on the list to look at
[12:20] <fwereade> wallyworld, in what world is that done *after* multi-series services though?
[12:20] <fwereade> wallyworld, that's necessary for a consistent implementation of deploy-force
[12:20] <wallyworld> in a world where you diliver stuff incrementally
[12:20] <wallyworld> into a product notyet released
[12:21] <wallyworld> but which will be usable by the time of release
[12:21] <wallyworld> but along the way will have rough edges while stuff is developed
[12:21] <fwereade> wallyworld, missing upgrade-charm is absolutely one of those rough edges
[12:21] <wallyworld> yes it is
[12:21] <wallyworld> which is why it will be done before release
[12:22] <fwereade> wallyworld, but having done deploy-series, fixing those rough edges surely comes before making a massive and unconsidered change to the model
[12:22] <wallyworld> sigh, it's not unconsidered
[12:22] <fwereade> wallyworld, which will create more rough edges than you can fix in a dedicated cycle
[12:23] <fwereade> wallyworld, you still don't seem to understand that if you tell juju put put service X on series Y, you will be surprised if service Z also ends up there
[12:23] <fwereade> wallyworld, "do what I say"? fine
[12:23] <wallyworld> i won't be surprised because service Z will not go there with an incompatible series unless i say so
[12:24] <fwereade> wallyworld, how will you tell it?
[12:24] <wallyworld> via --force or similar to be decided syntax
[12:24] <frobware> dimitern, dooferlad, voidspace: if we want to rebase our branch I'll need to push with fast-forward; we'll all need to agree when we should do that as it would be best if you have nothing locally in-flight.
[12:25] <fwereade> wallyworld, ...that doesn't sound "considered" to me
[12:25] <dimitern> frobware, why should it matter if there's ongoing work?
[12:25] <fwereade> wallyworld, afaics your choices are to magically deploy to surprising series, or to *not* deploy to surprising series
[12:25] <wallyworld> the general principal is, UX needs thought
[12:25] <frobware> dimitern, because you wont' be able to pull into your local maas-spaces branch
[12:25] <dimitern> frobware, provided each of us also rebases the in-progress work on top of the rebased maas-spaces
[12:26] <frobware> dimitern, ok that should work too.
[12:26] <wallyworld> it's not magic
[12:26] <wallyworld> the user needs to ok it
[12:26] <wallyworld> but it's moot now a
[12:26] <frobware> dimitern, I was trying to avoid the principal of least surprise
[12:27] <fwereade> wallyworld, so, when I add-relation foo bar, and foo and bar are both trusty, but foo/2 is on vivid, what do we do?
[12:28] <fwereade> wallyworld, and when I add another vivid unit of foo, what do we do then?
[12:28] <wallyworld> depends on the charm and what it supports
[12:28] <wallyworld> if foo charm supports vivid, no problem
[12:28] <fwereade> wallyworld, but I thought you said we'd have to force it?
[12:28] <frobware> dimitern, dooferlad, voidspace: OK to rebase our branch?
[12:28] <wallyworld> only if the charm doesn;'t support the series
[12:29] <wallyworld> if it is a multiseries charm supporting trusty and vivid then yay
[12:30] <dimitern> frobware, +1 from me
[12:31] <fwereade> wallyworld, then yay, except upgrades get tangly
[12:32] <wallyworld> we just check that all the series onto which the charm is deployed are also supported by the new charm
[12:32] <wallyworld> we can then make a call
[12:32] <fwereade> wallyworld, again, multi-series charms *will* be great, but the model does not currently accommodate them, and we do actually have to model them
[12:33] <wallyworld> we can allow the upgrade but then prevent new units added to any unupported series
[12:33] <fwereade> wallyworld, race: I add a unit of precise just as you upgrade the service to a charm that doesn't support precise
[12:33] <fwereade> wallyworld, to do that right we need a bunch of synchronisation in state that doesn't currently exist
[12:33] <fwereade> wallyworld, again, it will be good
[12:33] <fwereade> wallyworld, but it's massive scope creep for phase 1
[12:35] <wallyworld> i agree upgrades are messy and we are getting near the end
[12:35] <fwereade> wallyworld, yeah -- I think we can solve a problem, get a win, draw a line under it, examine the next problem with more clarity
[12:36] <frobware> dimitern, if you're going to rebase your current branch then I'll communicate the commit ID I rebased to
[12:37] <dimitern> frobware, ok, sounds good
[12:56] <frobware> voidspace, just want to confirm you're also OK if I rebase maas-spaces with master
[13:06] <frobware> dooferlad, ans same for you too ^^
[13:12] <voidspace> frobware: is that bug fixed?
[13:12] <voidspace> frobware: the failing tests on master bug?
[13:12] <voidspace> frobware: if not I'll have failing tests on maas-spaces
[13:13] <voidspace> frobware: not the end of the world but we'll need to rebase again as soon as fixes land
[13:27] <frobware> voidspace, which bug? on my desktop (trusty) the unit tests on master and the rebased maas-spaces branch are OK
[13:35] <dimitern> frobware, voidspace, all seems green on master; I vote to do the rebase ;)
[13:45] <frobware> dimitern, voidspace: pushing rebase
[13:47] <dimitern> frobware, cheers, will have a look in a bit how it went
[13:48] <frobware> dimitern, voidspace, dooferlad: diff against master reveals: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13492574/
[13:51] <dimitern> frobware, that sounds correct - these should be the 13 commits that are ahead
[13:53] <frobware> dimitern, voidspace, dooferlad: rebase comit was 8b4e8b7d037c52c9a0df00d8227366033eea04d9
[13:59] <dimitern> frobware, thanks, I'll rebase mine soon
[15:03] <fwereade> don't suppose anyone's familiar with menn0's StatePool stuff?
[15:04] <fwereade> natefinch, sent a few notes on the juju-min-version PR
[15:07] <natefinch> fwereade: awesome, thanks
[15:09] <voidspace> dimitern: frobware: this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1517748
[15:09] <mup> Bug #1517748: provider/lxd: test suite panics if lxd not installed <juju-core:In Progress by ericsnowcurrently> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517748>
[15:09] <voidspace> the one that causes tests on master to fail for me
[15:09] <voidspace> that we discussed yesterday :-)
[15:09] <frobware> voidspace, I just saw that master is blessed with the same revision that I rebased too
[15:10] <voidspace> frobware: nonetheless I have failing tests on master on my machine
[15:11] <frobware> voidspace, does comment #3 make any difference for you?
[15:11] <voidspace> frobware: read comment #4!
[15:11] <voidspace> frobware: (but no)
[15:11] <voidspace> I just responded
[15:11] <voidspace> I'll look at the example config he suggests in a bit
[15:11] <frobware> voidspace, gee! I'ms so out touch - there's a comment #4 now...
[15:12] <voidspace> but my user is in the lxd group
[15:12] <voidspace> frobware: :-)
[15:12] <voidspace> frobware: sounds like you've done the rebase anyway
[15:12] <voidspace> ah well...
[15:12] <voidspace> I won't update the branch I'm working on until I'm ready for it to merge into our feature branch
[15:12] <frobware> voidspace, ok
[15:13] <frobware> voidspace, I have a wily machine, in a spare minute I'll try building and running the tests there.
[15:14] <voidspace> I don't think wily is the issue
[15:14] <voidspace> dimitern has wily and tests pass for him I believe
[15:14] <voidspace> well, except the payload/persistence tests that also fail intermittently on master and for which there is another bug
[15:19] <dimitern> voidspace, I haven't run make check since the rebase, but will do soon
[15:29] <cherylj> jillr, can you ping me when you get a few minutes?
[15:32] <alexisb> frobware, I need more coffee, will be there ina minute
[15:33] <frobware> alexisb, ack
[15:38] <voidspace> dooferlad: bug in subnetReservedIPRanges
[15:39] <voidspace> dooferlad: it panics if there are no InUseIPAddresses on a subnet (index out of range when looking up ipAddresses[0])
[15:45] <voidspace> dooferlad: also, in the current pushed branch the purpose array for the reserved_ip_ranges is nil rather than an empty array if there are no purposes
[15:45] <voidspace> dooferlad: defaulting to "assigned-ip" would be better
[16:02] <dooferlad> voidspace: I think I have both of those fixed. Just found a really odd bug though - need to fix it or unreserved_ip_ranges is broken
[16:03] <voidspace> dooferlad: cool
[16:03] <voidspace> dooferlad: I've worked around them for the moment
[16:03] <dooferlad> great
[16:04] <voidspace> just fixed another bug in my own code around struct copying
[16:04] <voidspace> so all the subnets were missing from Spaces
[16:04] <voidspace> to be fair I knew that was probably the case and was waiting for my test to prove it
[16:04] <voidspace> fixed now
[16:10] <mup> Bug #1461957 changed: Does not use security group ids <ci> <openstack-provider> <uosci> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1461957>
[16:10] <mup> Bug #1519403 opened: 1.24 upgrade does not set environ-uuid <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519403>
[16:21] <jillr> cherylj: hey there, what's up?
[16:21] <cherylj> jillr: just wanted to checkpoint with you on the upgrade stuff. I set up a time for us to chat. Would that work for you? (you should have an invite in your inbox)
[16:21] <cherylj> jillr: I just saw that you accepted it :)
[16:22] <jillr> cherylj: that time works, just sent an accept
[16:22] <jillr> :)
[16:22] <cherylj> cool, chat with you then :)
[16:22] <jillr> good deal
[16:22] <frobware> voidspace, can you move off go 1.3.3 and to 1.5 ?
[16:23] <frobware> voidspace, or put another way - if you switch to 1.5 do you still see the failing test in your branch?
[16:25] <voidspace> frobware: I can try that
[16:25] <voidspace> frobware: up to my neck in subnet tests right now
[16:25] <voidspace> will try in a bit
[16:25] <frobware> voidspace, sure
[16:42] <dooferlad> voidspace: latest gomaasapi code pushed.
[16:42] <voidspace> dooferlad: thanks
[16:43] <dooferlad> voidspace: didn't fix that index out of range, but the adding a range code is there.
[16:43] <dooferlad> voidspace: just going to tidy that up now
[16:43] <voidspace> dooferlad: now purpose is coming back as a string not an array
[16:44] <dooferlad> voidspace: is that not OK?
[16:44] <dooferlad> an array seemed odd and I couldn't work out why it would be >1 thing.
[16:44] <voidspace> dooferlad: no, it's an array of strings
[16:44] <voidspace> dooferlad: me neither
[16:44] <voidspace> but an array of one string is what it is...
[16:45] <dooferlad> voidspace: easy enough to change. Will do that while I fix the out of range stuff
[16:45] <voidspace> thanks
[16:54] <dooferlad> voidspace: fixed
[17:22] <voidspace> dooferlad: SetNodeNetworkLink is new, right?
[17:22] <voidspace> dooferlad: could it take a systemId instead of a Node, that would be much more convenient
[18:57] <natefinch> ericsnow: why does the controller in an LXD environment need to be wily?
[18:58] <ericsnow> natefinch: the juju deb is built with Go 1.3+, thus supporting the LXD provider
[19:00] <natefinch> ericsnow: we're installing jujud via the deb on the target machine? not just downloading it?
[19:01] <ericsnow> natefinch: from the stream that was built from the deb
[19:01] <ericsnow> natefinch: (or use --upload-tools)
[19:02] <natefinch> ericsnow: right, but isn't what we download from the stream just a binary?
[19:02] <ericsnow> natefinch: essentially
[19:02] <natefinch> so.... it'll work wherever
[19:02] <natefinch> oh wait
[19:02] <ericsnow> natefinch: the stream matches the series
[19:02] <natefinch> I understand
[19:03] <natefinch> we're intentionally shooting ourselves in the foot because of Ubuntu.
[19:03] <ericsnow> natefinch: pretty much
[19:03] <natefinch> huzzah
[19:03] <TheMue> *lol*
[19:11] <cherylj> jillr: I had one more thing I was going to ask! You had an environment that we were able to get to 1.26-alpha1, right?
[19:13] <jillr> cherylj: no to the best of my knowledge we were never able to successfully upgrade from 1.22.8 to 1.26-alpha in our staging environment
[19:13] <cherylj> jillr: hmm, I thought wallyworld had gotten you guys a script to force it to that level. But, there was a lot of back and forth, and maybe that was in a test environment on our side
[19:14] <jillr> cherylj: I know there was a script in the works, and we were doing some mongo surgery at one point but that was unsuccessful aiui
[19:15] <cherylj> jillr: also, do you want to schedule your test upgrade to 1.25.1? Since we'll be all together in the US, we could get a couple people on a hangout to make sure things go through successfully
[19:15] <jillr> cherylj: if we have that script I can do another test deploy/upgrade later today to confirm where we are
[19:15] <jillr> cherylj: that would be great
[19:15] <cherylj> jillr: how does Monday, Dec 7 work for you?
[19:15] <cherylj> I imagine we'll have moved 1.25.1 to stable by then
[19:17] <frobware> which releases of MAAS will juju 1.25 and 1.26+ support? 1.8 and 1.9, or older versions too?
[19:17] <jillr> cherylj: if we can shoot for US-west afternoon that would work
[19:17] <jillr> that's actually an excellent question for us as well cherylj ^^ we have a couple MAAS 1.7 deploys we'll be working on with these upgrades
[19:18] <cherylj> jillr: if you have time, you could also verify that the VIP switch is fixed in 1.26-alpha1 before then, either by attempting an upgrade again or directly bootstrapping it and trying to recreate bug 1516150
[19:18] <mup> Bug #1516150: LXC containers getting HA VIP addresses after reboot <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516150>
[19:19] <cherylj> frobware, jillr, if we don't get an answer here, I'll make sure to bring it up in the release call this afternoon
[19:19] <cherylj> (for the MAAS support question)
[19:19] <frobware> thx
[19:19] <jillr> cherylj: can definitely test the VIPs, and thx on the MAAS question
[19:20] <cherylj> frobware: will the answer impact your work on that bonding bug?
[19:20] <jillr> cherylj: I dont readily see the script on staging, will want to get a new/current copy of that to be safe please
[19:20] <cherylj> jillr: https://github.com/wwitzel3/juju-upgrade-hack
[19:21] <jillr> cherylj: awesome, thx
[19:21] <cherylj> I really wish we could all get away from using the word "hack" in anything we produce / comment on
[19:21] <cherylj> heh
[19:21] <jillr> I dig the readme :)
[19:21] <cherylj> hahaha, yeah
[19:22] <cherylj> jillr: you could even try the upgrade to 1.25.1 since it's in proposed. Don't have to futz with 1.26-alpha1
[19:22] <jillr> cherylj: I'll plan to do a deploy with the VIPs in the high range (to not hit #1516150) first and test 1.26-alpha1 with that script today
[19:22] <mup> Bug #1516150: LXC containers getting HA VIP addresses after reboot <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516150>
[19:23] <jillr> cherylj: then if I have time or else tomorrow with the VIPs in the low range for testing 1516150, and also 1.25.1 time permitting
[19:23] <cherylj> jillr: awesome. Just let me know if you run into problems
[19:23] <jillr> cherylj: will do
[19:39] <natefinch> ericsnow: my bug fix: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3224/
[19:39] <natefinch> ericsnow: I'll review your fixes now
[19:40] <ericsnow> natefinch: k
[20:07] <davecheney> sinzui: the -race build has passed a few times now
[20:07] <davecheney> (minus the ususal mongo db rubbish)
[20:07] <davecheney> can run-unit-tests-race be made voting please
[20:10] <natefinch> OMG that would be amazing
[20:11] <natefinch> can we set the landing bot to run with -race too?
[20:11] <sinzui> davecheney: alredy voting :) I added a second retry since the other voting unit tests also retry
[20:22] <davecheney> sinzui: fabulous!
[20:50] <mup> Bug #1519473 opened: High resource usage and possible memory leak 1.24.5 <sts> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519473>
[20:59] <wallyworld> cherylj: jillr: just saw backscroll, didn't read in detail, but i did upgrade a 1.22.8 to 1.26-alpha1 on jujumanage@blah and the next day it was reset again
[20:59] <wallyworld> and then wayne took that and made it into a script
[21:00] <jillr> wallyworld: thx. I've got a redeploy cooking now, will give it a run via the script soon as this is done
[21:01] <fwereade> sinzui, awesome!
[21:02] <fwereade> and davecheney, also awesome, thank you very much
[21:02] <thumper> fwereade: hey
[21:02] <thumper> fwereade: can you chat now?
[21:02] <fwereade> thumper, let's
[21:02] <thumper> fwereade, menn0: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/migrations?authuser=1
[21:02] <menn0> thumper: on my way
[21:03] <davecheney> fwereade: i'm just writing something to the troups
[21:49] <alexisb> wallyworld, thumper when the both of you are free we need to chat, after the release call if you would like
[21:50] <wallyworld> 4 words guys hate
[21:50] <wallyworld> we need to talk
[21:50] <alexisb> :)
[21:50] <wallyworld> i'm free now if that helps, not sure about thumper
[21:51] <alexisb> it should be the three of us
[21:52] <wallyworld> sure, i was waiting for thumper to confirm also :-)
[21:54] <alexisb> wallyworld, maybe we should keep pinging thumper
[21:54] <wallyworld> yeah, let's ping thumper
[21:54] * thumper is on a call with menn0 and fwereade
[21:54] <thumper> but can come now
[21:54] <alexisb> so that thumper continues to here "ding"
[21:54] <wallyworld> :-D
[21:54] * rick_h_ wonders if you thump a thumper vs ping a thumper
[21:54] <alexisb> lol
[21:54] <menn0> thumper
[21:55] <rick_h_> cruel menn0
[21:55] <thumper> WAT?
[21:55] <wallyworld> thumper ding ding
[21:55] <wallyworld> thumper ding ding
[21:55] <alexisb> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/alexis-tim-ian
[21:55] <alexisb> thumper, ^^^
[21:55] <rick_h_> so not among friends here
[21:55] <alexisb> wallyworld, ^^
[22:12] <cherylj> menn0: can you bump up bug 1517748 in your review queue today? We're waiting on that for alpha2
[22:12] <mup> Bug #1517748: provider/lxd: test suite panics if lxd not installed <juju-core:In Progress by ericsnowcurrently> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517748>
[22:13] <menn0> cherylj: will do ... have been in calls and still am
[22:13] <cherylj> menn0: thanks!
[22:19] <menn0> ericsnow, cherylj: ship it with questions
[22:20] <ericsnow> menn0: thanks
[22:27] <thumper> sinzui: I *need* CI to run over the controller rename
[22:27] <thumper> sinzui: but we are going to have to be careful about how things are defined to be "multiple environment"
[22:28] <menn0> ericsnow: i'm happy with both those responses. thanks.
[22:28] <ericsnow> menn0: no, thank you :)
[22:34] <sinzui> thumper: CI really cannot. most of the functional tests will fail and we need to clean the damage by hand
[22:53] <sinzui> thumper: I will ask abentley to take up the controller insullation work. I have fixes for 80% of jobs, the remaining 20% are hard. if Aaron and I agree that we can accept some known failures for a few run, we can run without complete support
[22:53] <mup> Bug #1519527 opened: 1.25.1 as proposed: 1 or more lxc units lose agent state <openstack> <uosci> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519527>
[22:54] <thumper> what are the hard points?\
[22:54] <thumper> sinzui: worth noting that my idea of saying "look for create-environment" will soon be wrong :-|
[22:54] <thumper> as it will be "create-model"
[22:54] <thumper> sinzui: also... part of the clouds and credentials spec, the cache.yaml file is likely to be replaced too
[22:55] <sinzui> thumper: several functional tests don't use the common args and bootstrap helpers. TRheir bepoke code needs to be removed, or in the case of quickstart tests, we need to add the new intelligence
[22:55] <thumper> ah
[23:02] <mup> Bug #1519527 changed: 1.25.1 as proposed: 1 or more lxc units lose agent state <openstack> <uosci> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519527>
[23:05] <mup> Bug #1519527 opened: 1.25.1 as proposed: 1 or more lxc units lose agent state <openstack> <uosci> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519527>
[23:14] <wallyworld> axw: anastasiamac: sorry, in another meeting, delayed by 10 minutes or so
[23:14] <axw> wallyworld: sure, ping when you're ready
[23:15] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: k
[23:35] <wallyworld> axw: anastasiamac: almost there, 5 more minutes
[23:35] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: k
[23:41] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: axw: there now
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[12:05] <Paul-Z> Mmm...
[12:36] <Paul-Z> all guys here are from australia?
[13:03] <jea> most of them are
[13:09] <Paul-Z> Mmm... I'm going to go to AU next year... are there some mirrors of ubuntu in au? and how about vps in au?
[13:09] <Paul-Z> and mirrors of ArchLinux
[19:56] <lpotter> yes and some of us even have indoor toilets!
[22:26] <jea> heh
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[00:08] <utdeb> what needs to be done to bring the lastest version of ubuntu touch to the nexus 10
[00:12] <k1l> see the porting guide
[06:05] <Guest33114> test
[06:05] <nhaines> Guest33114: the message didn't go through. Try again?
[06:54] <Guest33114> nhaines, :D
[07:01] <nhaines> Guest33114: that worked once on a LUG mailing list. The guy even replied and said he hadn't gotten any error messages and three people jumped in to say "wait a minute!"
[07:01] <nhaines> I'm really proud of that. :D
[07:02] <svij> nhaines: troll :P
[07:02] <Guest33114> haha :))
[07:03] <Guest33114> woa unity dash now has an icon
[07:08] <Guest33114> unity8-dash (scopes) icon http://i.imgur.com/JlyL5tn.png
[07:09] <Guest33114> it's the one between the sdk and "?" icons
[07:09] <Guest33114> the orange one with the ubuntu logo
[07:13] <amazoniantoad> Is the Aquaris E5 compatible for AT&T?
[07:52] <mokmeister> amazoniantoad: spec on E5 states support for 2G quad band (850/900/1800/1900) and dual band 3G(900/2100) so I would imagine it at least works on 2G.
[07:53] <zzarr> good morning
[08:21] <robin-hero> Hey, just reported two bugs for Unity8: Could you take a look at it? Thanks.https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1519235 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1519234
[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[09:06] <hasselmm> morphis: regarding bluez5, which channel to flash? ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer or ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en ?
[09:07] <morphis> hasselmm: as long its rc-propsoed, you're fine :)
[09:07] <hasselmm> morphis: what's the difference between both?
[09:07] <morphis> afaik the content of the custom part, like which apps are preinstalled etc.
[09:08] <hasselmm> ok, so i just need to figure out how to do a backup...
[09:08] <hasselmm> (or how to do an OTA update to proposed)
[09:13] <pixel_> hasselmm, you can change channels without flashing
[09:15] <pixel_> hasselmm, sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[09:15] <pixel_> i think you can add -vv for verbose
[09:15] <pixel_> system-image-cli --help
[09:22] <J0SH1X> Hey guys what is the status of whatsapp for utouch in june there was a announcement from connical this is the last reason why i dont flsah my nexus
[09:28] <J0SH1X> so noone has some infos bout this ?
[10:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday and happy Celebrate Your Unique Talent Day! 😃
[10:20] <slvn_> Hello ! I am looking for someone who could test a few .click package app on his device (I don't have a device anymore up-to-date..)
[10:20] <robin-hero> slvn_: Hey, I'm here :)
[10:21] <slvn_> robin-hero, ok ! thanks !
[10:23] <victor_bq> Hi all!
[10:24] <sturmflut> Good morning oo/
[10:24] <sturmflut> Does anybody know about Telepathy on the phone?
[10:24] <victor_bq> does anyone have issues with Wi-Fi after OTA8?
[10:26] <mcphail> victor_bq: what issues in particular? I have ongoing issues, but not OTA8 specific
[10:28] <mardy> tvoss: hi! is https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/trust-store/fix-1504022/+merge/278418 essentially the same as the one which was for trunk, or are there changes?
[10:29] <tvoss> mardy, it's the same, sorry for the noise, only different targetbranch
[10:29] <mardy> tvoss: excellent, approving
[10:48] <hasselmm> morphis, pixel_: sorry, distracted by work (who invented that stupid thing?)
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: any progress on your issue?
[10:50] <Henry__> hi
[10:51] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: which one? ;)
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: battery drain
[10:52] <hasselmm> hmm.... would be good to see a progress indicator while running system-image-cli
[10:52] <hasselmm> thought sudo failed :D
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: didnt notice issues here on my bq 4.5 yet
[10:53] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: have had a couple of further episodes of battery drain and some unity8 weirdness. Don't know if they are linked. Spurious input events
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: didnt set to defaults yet i presume?
[10:53] <hasselmm> ok, it reboots....
[10:54] <Henry__> quick one: is there any kind of support email for ubuntu touch on BQ E4.5? do want to create account in bugzilla :-(
[10:54] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: no. Still on call until end of week. Might try reflash at weekend but have plans to explore some bottles of malt :)
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: best to get bugs resolved is via official bug launchpad
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: ok keep us updated :p
[10:56] <Henry__> lotuspsychje: thanks, ok
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: check the link bug page on our topic
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: or share your issue here in chat?
[10:57] <Henry__> lotuspsychje: is quite simple, after 77 hours of full recharge my battery indicator shows 81% and did not change for last 24h
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: ^
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> related to yours?
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: OTA8 also?
[10:58] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: don't think so. My battery is charging fine. Just dropping quickly at times for unknown reason
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> right
[10:59] <Henry__> lotuspsychje: yup, but is happening since I have the phone with r21 and updating. And quick drops in battery change I see in graph also
[10:59] <pixel_> hasselmm, :)) i have no idea
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: did you go to defaults once?
[11:00] <mcphail> Henry__: have you been getting episodes where your phone seems to be receiving touches, even though you aren't pressing anything?
[11:01] <Henry__> lotuspsychje: had made several reimaging already since that r21, mostly because r25 was completely unstable, so I went from r24 to r26 and now on OTA-8
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: could you try an ota8 reset to defaults, maybe were lucky?
[11:02] <Henry__> mcphail: this seems to be happening when I receive SMS - the screen "blinks" several times after and system seems "confused" when I try to swipe down the notification from up
[11:03] <Henry__> lotuspsychje: the "flat" battery charge in graph with obviously incorrect % I see since the beginning, regardless if I had full re-image or full reset
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> doenst sound good then
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: file a bug mate, from topic link
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> its important they know about
[11:05] <Henry__> my bq e.45 last about 110h since full charge, it is just not easy to predict when it discharge and switches off when I can't see the real battery %
[11:05] <Henry__> ok, will fill the bug, have also screenshot of it
[11:05] <Henry__> thanks
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> great
[11:06] <mcphail> Henry__: I've had odd things happen after SMS as well, and battery drain seems higher afterwards until a reboot
[11:06] <mcphail> Henry__: isn't consistent, though
[11:07] <Henry__> mcphail: r25 on my phone was completely useless :-(, but other than this it is fine, I use it as dual-sim "phone", so not really a smart phone ;-)
[11:08] <Henry__> therefore my battery lasts rather long, have everything except wifi and gsm switched off
[11:09] <mcphail> Henry__: OTA7 was good for me, if I turned wifi off before leaving the house. Something is badly wrong with OTA8 on my phone, though
[11:18] <Henry__> lotuspsychje: is there, could you please have a quick look if I did not miss something important on the bug filling? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1519309
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: lookin good mate
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: when the devs awake, try to paste bug here to ask if someone knows
[11:40] <Henry__> thanks, someone already asked me for additional info, so I am adding it right now
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> : )
[11:40] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: you might follow the bug also :p
[11:52] <Henry__> mcphail: disaster at my phone was r25 - was afraid to touch the screen to not get freeze or reboot, r24 was perfectly stable. fresh re-image from Bq of r25 made it even worse, 6/10 boots I did not manage to put PINs to my sim cards.
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: i only had scope freezes on ota7
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> for the rest works like a charm here
[11:53] <Henry__> mpchail: 3 weeks ago I upgraded from r24 to r26 - was stable, r27 I made a week ago (or so) so far stable - or better say no "new" issues ;-)
[11:54] <morphis> rvr: see my last update on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1519007
[11:54] <Henry__> lotuspsychje: I am not using scopes ;-) Only default App scope and then running apps like phone, clock, contacts and messages - I am really using it "not-as-smartphone" ;-)
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> well i pretty like some news scopes and nearby also handy
[11:56] <morphis> Saviq: you already filed bugs for those things you told me yesterday?
[11:56] <rvr> morphis: Reading it
[11:57] <rvr> morphis: Interesting
[11:57] <morphis> rvr: so we need to talk with Tiago about this once he turns up
[11:58] <rvr> morphis: Ack
[11:58] <morphis> rvr: do you follow up with him on this?
[11:58] <rvr> morphis: I'll ping him when he's available
[11:59] <morphis> rvr: thanks
[12:01] <Henry__> lotuspsychje: so, my bug is duplicate to https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1471913 from July :-(
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: but your device is bq
[12:02] <Henry__> not my decision :-(
[12:03] <Saviq> morphis, not yet, let me file the one I'm certain of
[12:03] <morphis> ok
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: but it says, no longer affects unit8 and your on ota8
[12:04] <Henry__> aha
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> contradictional
[12:05] <Saviq> morphis, bug #1519325
[12:06] <Henry__> lotuspsychje: don't know really, I am not expert on it. Put a q there, if the guys think it is duplicate, then they must be right.
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: ok well then copy paste your bug into the existing old bug
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> Henry__: and mention your on OTA8 and its not fixxed as the bug says it fixxed
[12:08] <mcphail> Henry__: I've asked for the removal of "MX4" from the title of the other bug
[12:12] <morphis> Saviq: thanks
[12:13] <Henry__> mpchail: suddenly my chrome decided to add the original battery stats picture, will add info about BQ E4.5 as you said
[12:17] <Henry__> mpchail: see it, thanks :-)
[12:18] <Henry__> just as a side issue - anytime happened to you that the you switched on/off different setting from top bar while calling? Seems I somehow made it with my ear when phone decided I do not have it close enough anymore :-(
[12:30] <robin-hero> hey, is there somebody here who uses rc-proposed channel? I can't make screenshot with today's image.
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: whats your device?
[12:31] <robin-hero> Nexus4
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> im on devel-proposed on nexus7
[12:34] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje: okay, just rebooted my phone, and it works again.. hmmm. weird
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> : )
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> mubuntu magic
[12:35] <lotuspsychje> -m
[14:47] <mhall119> sil2100: congrats on becomeing a core dev :)
[14:48] <shadeslayer> ogra_: Should I just follow https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/ for the E5?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> or is there some special flag I need to pass somewhere
[14:58] <sil2100> mhall119: thanks :)
[15:04] <pmcgowan> sil2100, thats awesome
[15:32] <awe> faenil, any feedback on the Qt/location-services testing?
[15:33] <awe> we're discussing hot-fixability in ~30m
[15:33] <faenil> awe: it's a bit early, I only installed it last evening :/
[15:33] <awe> just asking
[15:33] <faenil> awe: yeah, np :)
[15:34] <faenil> awe: but so far, I haven't noticed anything weird
[15:34] <awe> ok
[15:36] <awe> I generally found that it took around 10-12h to max out the match rules, and for the UI to really start freezing bad
[15:38] <faenil> awe: so now there's no propertieschanged signal at all, right?
[15:38] <awe> no
[15:38] <awe> location-services still listens for NM PropsChanged for APs
[15:39] <faenil> because I don't see the propertieschanged signal as usual every 2 mins
[15:39] <awe> the Qt fix removes the listening for them completely
[15:39] <awe> on the system bus?
[15:39] <faenil> user
[15:39] <awe> nm still send them
[15:39] <tvoss> faenil, nm sends them on the system bus
[15:39] <faenil> tvoss: but there's upstart-bridge, isn't there
[15:40] <awe> yes, but the signals are only fwd'd
[15:40] <awe> if someone asks for them
[15:40] <awe> so perhaps the removal of the Qt listening
[15:40] <faenil> awe: ah ok, thanks
[15:40] <awe> got rid of the signals on the session bus as well
[15:40] <tvoss> awe, yup, likely
[15:40] <faenil> I'll switch to the system bus then
[15:48] <shadeslayer> hm apparently not it
[15:52] <faenil> awe: tvoss btw, my current situation is that it's not lagfree, but there's a perceptible stutter
[15:53] <faenil> it's immensely better than before of course
[15:53] <faenil> :)
[15:53] <tvoss> faenil, could you use awe's magic python script to query the system bus for match rules?
[15:53] <tvoss> faenil, also: immensely better is already quite good :)
[15:53] <faenil> tvoss: yeah, it's not a terrible stutter, it just misses a few frames
[15:56] <faenil> awe: sudo or no sudo for the script?
[15:57] <faenil> and does it need any additional modded dbus?
[15:59] <faenil> currently without sudo it fails with "have you enabled Stats"...sounds like I need the modded dbus from your ppa as well..
[16:01] <awe> for which script?
[16:01] <faenil> awe: getallmatch rules
[16:01] <awe> faenil, I'm not looking for you to run that
[16:01] <faenil> awe: ah ok, I thought that's what tvoss asked for
[16:01] <tvoss> faenil, but me :)
[16:01] <tvoss> awe, :)
[16:01] <awe> I'm looking for whether not it improves the eventual UI lockups
[16:01] <awe> ;D
[16:02] <awe> tvoss, are you joining the rtm meeting?
[16:02] <tvoss> faenil, you likely don't have awe's patched dbus daemon
[16:02] <faenil> you guys sort it out :D
[16:02] <tvoss> awe, yeah, gimme 5
[16:02] <faenil> tvoss: yep, exactly
[16:02] <awe> k
[16:02] <faenil> so, should I run the script or not :D
[16:02] <faenil> tvoss: do you need the output?
[16:04] <tvoss> faenil, you can run, but you won't get any output :) so no, leave it as is
[16:05] <faenil> tvoss: of course, I meant "should I install dbus and get the output"
[16:05] <tvoss> faenil, nope :)
[16:05] <faenil> but installing dbus means rebooting, and that slows down the test :D
[16:05] <faenil> ok ;)
[16:06] <awe> well... before you reboot
[16:06] <awe> when do you see the stuttering?
[16:06] <awe> it is every 2m?
[16:06] <awe> is it occasionally?
[16:12] <shadeslayer> ogra_: I guess what I'm asking is, a) how does one build this file http://system-image.ubuntu.com/pool/ubuntu-dcb4f2e9d6bd32edd5c0fda04ba2f6b74d954c0f16d93abe9d1bdcf917982177.tar.xz and b) how would one flash a modified version of that
[16:28] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, do you know what's going on with u-s-s CI and those update tests?
[16:28] <jgdx> seb128, yes
[16:28] <jgdx> fixing now
[16:28] <kenvandine> seb128, jgdx is working on that right now :)
[16:29] <seb128> great
[16:29] <seb128> jgdx, kenvandine, thanks! I feel better when we accept things with CI not grumpy ;-)
[16:29] <jgdx> seb128, kenvandine: the fix is to fake the click server, basically. It seems the test devices are so slow, autopilot times out (10sec) while waiting for a response from the click server.
[16:30] <jgdx> there already is a mock click server in there, it just needs some love.
[16:30] <seb128> k
[16:30] <seb128> relying on access to the real server seems buggy anyway
[16:30] <jgdx> very
[16:30] <jgdx> seb128, kenvandine, one thing though: we can supply the code with faked JSON, but it'll ignore it if the click isn't installed.
[16:31] <jgdx> so on desktop, you'll have no clicks and a fake click server isn't much use
[16:31] <kenvandine> we can fake what's installed though
[16:31] <kenvandine> based on an env variable
[16:32] <jgdx> I'm looking at that now, and it feels very wrong kenvandine :P
[16:32] <jgdx> the prod code will be riddled with environment variable checking
[16:32] <kenvandine> but it'll make for a more reliable test
[16:33] <jgdx> okay, then the question is, what should the code do when it sees an update that it usually ignores due to it not being installed?
[16:33] <jgdx> just consider them as actual updates?
[16:33] <kenvandine> i think our test will just check for the update we expect
[16:34] <kenvandine> and not care about any others found
[16:34] <jgdx> so the env will be a list of click ids to consider?
[16:34] <kenvandine> that's what i was thinking
[16:34] <jgdx> okay, that works
[16:34] <jgdx> what about semantics, what do we call it?
[16:34] <kenvandine> and when running in the tests, we won't find others anyway
[16:35] <jgdx> right
[16:35] <kenvandine> jgdxrocks_0.1 :)
[16:35] <kenvandine> doesn't matter, as long as it doesn't exist in the store
[16:35] <jgdx> :p
[16:35] <jgdx> I was thinking about the actual variable
[16:35] <jgdx> the env variable
[16:36] <kenvandine> USS_TEST_PACKAGES
[16:37] <kenvandine> something like that
[16:37] <jgdx> +1
[16:37] <kenvandine> as a list of app ids
[16:37] <kenvandine> or... actually no
[16:37] <kenvandine> so the response in the fake server is static, hard coded
[16:37] <kenvandine> we should hard code the package
[16:38] <kenvandine> so USS_TEST_MODE=1 or something
[16:38] <kenvandine> otherwise you have to remember what magic string to use for testing locally :)
[16:38] <jgdx> okay, I wonder if I can use AUTOPILOT_ENABLED then
[16:38] <kenvandine> sure
[16:39] <jgdx> that mode fakes a token
[16:39] <jgdx> so I guess it's okay to attach this stuff to it
[16:39] <kenvandine> so reuse that
[17:07] <peat-psuwit> awe: ping
[17:10] <slash> Hello everybody, today i tried to update my nexus 4 rc-proposed as the parameters icon shown a notification
[17:10] <slash> after launching the parameter, i see the app charging and after nothing...
[17:10] <slash> I tried to reboot still the same.
[17:11] <slash> I'm wondering if i can force the upgrade via the terminal ?
[17:25] <slash> For those interested : sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/loop0 /
[17:25] <slash> I could upgrade and the bug went away :)
[17:31] <peat-psuwit> In ofono's radio-settings, how can the code knows whether SIM is present or not?
[17:32] <awe> peat-psuwit, you need to look at the SimManager interface
[17:33] <peat-psuwit> awe: D-bus?
[17:33] <awe> yes
[17:33] <awe> that's the only way to talk to ofono
[17:33] <awe> try using list-modems
[17:33] <peat-psuwit> awe: I mean, in the code of radio-settings in ofono itself.
[17:34] <awe> peat-psuwit, if another component of ofono needs to know about SIM state
[17:34] <awe> it uses a watch
[17:34] <awe> eg. sim_state_watch
[17:34] <awe> or it queries the sim atom directly
[17:35] <awe> but usually this is done via a watch
[17:35] <awe> peat-psuwit, also... as the device plugin creates atoms based on SIM states
[17:35] <awe> ah... sorry never mind
[17:36] <awe> I'm pretty sure radio-settings is made available regardless of SIM presence
[17:36] <awe> but that could be device specific
[17:38] <peat-psuwit> awe: On my device, setting 3G preference fails without SIM.
[17:38] <mac_> I booting kmsg I get ureadahead-touch main process (1317) terminated with status 5
[17:39] <mac_> anyone can point me what should I look for?
[17:39] <peat-psuwit> If you can remember, my phone needs to set another slot to 2G before set intended one to 3G
[17:39] <peat-psuwit> And if there's no SIM in another slot, it should skip setting it.
[17:40] <awe> peat-psuwit, yes... dual-SIM modem impls can be tricky like this
[17:41] <awe> you'd need to come up with some way to query the other modem
[17:41] <awe> ( assuming your impl provides two modem instances )
[17:41] <awe> this gets tricky from within a single atom running on a specific modem
[17:42] <awe> I think in our case, we provide a way for a mtkmodem atom to query the device plugin
[17:42] <awe> for certain operations
[17:43] <awe> I'd recommend looking at the public functions exported by our mtk device plugin, as well as the usage within the mtkmodem driver
[17:44] <peat-psuwit> awe: My code actually share most of code with ril device plugin, and I don't want to put more code to shared ril plugin.
[17:45] <awe> peat-psuwit, AFAIK, you cannot query the state of the other modem instance ( ie. representing the other SIM ) from within a driver atom
[17:45] <awe> the only way to do it, is via the device plugin
[17:45] <awe> if this won't work for you
[17:46] <awe> then you need to come up with another mechanism
[17:47] <awe> peat-psuwit, if you want more feedback on potential solutions, perhaps it'd be best to write an email describing the problem and send the to the ml, or just myself and abeato directly
[17:49] <peat-psuwit> awe: Thank you.
[17:49] <awe> peat-psuwit, your welcome
[18:25] <attente> Mirv: hey, could you merge this? it brings the branch back up-to-date by re-adding the missing changelog entries: https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/maliit/merge-wily-changelog/+merge/278353
[22:18] * mcphail thinks there is definitely _something_ odd with battery drain on OTA8. ANother day, another depressing graph - http://themcphails.uk/screenshot20151124_221453130.png
[22:30] <mcphail> Lots of "Nov 24 21:40:18 ubuntu-phablet powerd[974]: void {anonymous}::reset_alarm_clock() found 35 remaining wakeup requests" in syslog. Is it normal to have lots of these?
[22:32] <mcphail> 1241 occurences today so far
[23:24] <jgdx> mcphail, ugh, could you file that? That sounds excessive.
[23:40] <mcphail> jgdx: do you have an alarm set for the morning? Can you give the output of grep "Nov 24" /var/log/syslog | grep reset_alarm_clock | wc -l
[23:55] <mcphail> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1519543
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[09:23] <alan_g> alf_: are you getting somewhere with CI failure?
[09:26] <alf_> alan_g: I have a few things I want to try (experimental MPs), but got blocked by the Display.* failures
[09:27] <alf_> alan_g: I am close to an MP for the new failures, so I should have some results soon.
[09:27] <alan_g> alf_: cool, thanks.
[12:31] <slvn_> hello !
[12:31] <slvn_> I have some issue to debug maybe someone can help :
[12:32] <slvn_> I have an app on ubuntu-phone that tries to go fullscreen, but the top status bar is always there.
[12:33] <slvn_> if I use "mir_surface_spec_set_state( fullscreen )" before creating the surface, it works.
[12:33] <slvn_> but I try to use it after creating the surface, using "apply_spec" it does not work ...
[12:33] <slvn_> there is no error message .. the request just seem to be discarded ... any idea ?
[12:35] <alan_g> slvn_: I suspect that surface modification requests are not supported by unity8/qtmir yet.
[12:37] <alan_g> I know that greyback_ and I are planning to do some work on the qtmir aspects starting tomorrow
[12:37] <slvn_> well ... maybe this is the good reason ...
[12:38] <greyback_> slvn_: unfortunately yes, that's not working yet on the unity8 side
[12:38] <slvn_> I have also tried to call the function "mir_wait_for( mir_surface_set_state(fullscreen) )" after the surface_create, and this one was working.
[12:38] <slvn_> does this make sense ?
[12:40] <greyback_> slvn_: not really, but I think you've hit a code-path we've not tried yet. Would you log a bug please?
[12:40] <greyback_> slvn_: please log against the project "qtmir"
[12:41] <mcphail> slvn_: can you post the bug number here so I can follow it? Keen to see this improved
[12:42] <slvn_> hmm ... I dont really know what to log, because to me, the mir_wait_for(..) is expected to be working ! I saw this code in lp:qtubuntu when doing SetfullScreen
[12:42] <alan_g> slvn_: it makes sense in that there are some (essentially legacy) functions that are supported, but the apply_spec is the (not working yet) future.
[12:44] <alan_g> Unfortunately the qtmir/u8 support for "apply_spec" got delayed as there were more urgent priorities.
[12:44] <slvn_> ok, I got it ! just get confused because there was no error, and wasn't working
[12:45] <slvn_> you want me to fill a bug report for which part ?
[12:45] <slvn_> since, I have an explanation I am fine :)
[12:45] <alan_g> "apply_spec" not supported by qtmir/u8
[12:46] <slvn_> ok !
[12:51] <mzanetti> anpok, ping
[12:52] <slvn_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1519338
[12:54] <mcphail> greyback_: aww - give it a "High" priority - medium bugs are never fixed :p
[12:55] <greyback_> mcphail: it'll be fixed :) Especially as we'll definitely be moving to the newer way (apply_spec)
[12:58] <mcphail> greyback_: cheers :)
[13:57] <anpok> mzanetti: pong?
[13:57] <mzanetti> hey anpok
[13:57] <mzanetti> anpok, https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/uinput/+merge/277572/comments/704818
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[00:17] <autowiz> 인텔 스틱-인사이드 , 컴퓨트 스틱 기사중에 "10와트 이상을 공급하는 USB 포트를 전력원으로 사용할 수 있다" 라는 군요
[00:20] <autowiz> 대부분의 usb 포트출력은 4.5~5 W 정도니까 2개가 필요하네요 뭐 그렇다구요
[00:30] <samahui_tp> 휴대폰 충전기로는 안되는군요
[00:32] <JasonJang> 일전에 봤던 스틱피씨 비교 기사인데, 이건 어때요? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/magicstick-most-powerful-pc-stick-8gb-ram#/
[01:04] <HolyKnight> http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=fantasy_new&no=3224599&page=2 뜬금 해군의 캐나다침공
[01:13] <autowiz> ㅋㅎㅎ
[01:14] <autowiz> 잘못하다가는 큰일날뻔 ㅠㅠ
[01:35] <ipeter_> 안녕하세요?
[01:35] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[01:54] <ipeter_> Work^Seony: 비틀 후기 말씀드렸는데 보셨나요?
[01:54] <Work^Seony> 아뇨 ㅎㅎ
[01:55] <Work^Seony> 휴일동안 아얄씨를 아예 안들어와서 못봤어요. 언제 얘기하셨어요?
[01:55] <Work^Seony> 로그 찾아서 보죠
[01:56] <Work^Seony> 로그에 없네요
[01:58] <Work^Seony> 아 찾았습니다
[01:58] <Work^Seony> 차가 보기보다 크던데 뒷좌석이 거의 못탄다니까 신기하네요...
[02:08] <ipeter_> 아,
[02:08] <ipeter_> 그거 제가 앞좌석을 최대한 안 당겨서 그런것 같아요.
[02:08] <ipeter_> 사람들에게 물어보니, 들어가는건 못할정도는 아니라고 합니다.
[02:08] <ipeter_> 그래도 불편하대요.
[02:09] <ipeter_> 거의 착좌하면 90도정도 된다네요.
[02:09] <Work^Seony> 근데, 혼자만 타고다닐거면 굳이 뒷좌석 신경 안쓰셔도 될 거 같네요
[02:16] <autowiz> 혼자라니요 ㅠㅠ 둘이는 타야지요 ㅋㅋ
[02:16] <autowiz> 포테토님 ~~
[02:16] <autowiz> 오늘도 테더링 중이신가요 ㅠㅠ
[02:17] <ipeter_> 뭐 아이가 5살정도 될때까지는 패밀리카 가능할듯 싶네요.
[02:17] <ipeter_> 그럼 바꿀때도 될듯 싶구요
[02:18] <ipeter_> 나쁘지 않은 선택 같기는 한데 문제는 비싸네요.
[02:18] <ipeter_> 미국에서는 2000만원이면 사는차를
[02:18] <ipeter_> 한국에서는 3천만원이라니 조금 그러네요.
[02:18] <ipeter_> 그래도 차는 참 예뻐요.
[02:25] <Work^Seony> 배기량은 어때요?
[02:25] <Work^Seony> 폭스바겐 차들이 TDI 엔진인가 뭔가하는게 달려서 기름을 적게 먹는거 같더라구요
[02:29] <MENT> 음
[02:29] <MENT> TDI 같은 경우는
[02:29] <MENT> 적응하려면 시간이 좀 걸려요
[02:29] <MENT> 보통 엔진이랑 달라서요
[02:29] <Work^Seony> 그렇군요...
[02:29] <MENT> 분명 좋은 엔진인건 맞아요. 폭바가 지금 한창 미국환경청한테 찍혀서
[02:29] <MENT> 난리도 아니지만요
[02:29] <MENT> TDI 같은 경우는 음
[02:29] <Work^Seony> 이번에 폭스바겐 배출가스 조작사건 때문에 난리나서 폭스바겐 하나 사볼까 했었어요ㅗ
[02:29] <MENT> 가속할 때
[02:29] <MENT> 바퀴가 헛도는 느낌을 받으실 수 있어서요
[02:30] <MENT> 아 그게 헛도는게 바퀴가 헛도는게 아니라 음
[02:30] <MENT> 배출가스 조작사건 그것도
[02:30] <MENT> 연비 뻥튀기하려고 그러다가요
[02:30] <MENT> 저도 폭바에서 조작한 그래프 봤는데
[02:30] <MENT> 헛웃음만 ㄷㄷ
[02:30] <MENT> TDI 엔진은 좋아요 터보차져가 아마 회전수가 분당
[02:31] <MENT> 2만 정도 될걸요
[02:31] <MENT> 과급기라고 하는데요
[02:31] <MENT> 고놈이 연소를 돕거든요.
[02:31] <Work^Seony> 캘리포니아 같은데에서는 safety check할 때 배출가스도 점검한다고 해서 그 동네는 타격이 클텐데...
[02:31] <Work^Seony> 저희 동네처럼 안하는데서는 타격이고 자시고가 없어서 안깎아주더라구요
[02:31] <Work^Seony> 결국 폭스바겐 때문에 차를 충동구매해버렸네요..
[02:31] <MENT> 음 일단 그 자료부터가 폭바에서
[02:31] <MENT> 자체적으로 만든거고요
[02:31] <MENT> 폭바에 장비 납품하는 업체도
[02:31] <ipeter_> 비틀 배기량 2000씨씨입니다.
[02:32] <ipeter_> 보통 차보다 크거나 같아요
[02:32] <MENT> 요 옵션은 사용하면 안되는 옵션인데 그냥 넣어둔거랬는데
[02:32] <ipeter_> 덜덜
[02:32] <ipeter_> 차 잘나갑니다.
[02:32] <MENT> 폭바가 일부러 그걸 써서요
[02:32] <MENT> 그리고 음
[02:32] <MENT> 뒷좌석 중요해요
[02:32] <MENT> 아이 태울 떄는 역시 뒷좌석에 태우는게 제일 안전해요
[02:32] <MENT> 미국이 advanced airbag을 법적으로 쓰는데요
[02:33] <Work^Seony> 제일 안전하다기보단, 앞좌석에 태우는거 불법 아닌가요?
[02:33] <MENT> Occupant detection system이 있다고해서 위험이 줄었다기보다는
[02:33] <Work^Seony> 여기서 앞좌석에 태우는 사람을 아예 본적이 없네요
[02:33] <MENT> 불법요?
[02:33] <MENT> 그건 몇년전부터
[02:33] <MENT> 정책적으로
[02:33] <MENT> 미국에서는 애 뒷좌석에 태우자고
[02:33] <MENT> 대대적으로 캠페인을 벌였었어요
[02:33] <MENT> 동승석에 애 태워도 되거든요
[02:34] <MENT> 위험한거는
[02:34] <MENT> 애를 안고 타는거요
[02:34] <MENT> 그거는 음
[02:34] <MENT> 사고 났을 때 애가 충격을 다 받아요
[02:35] <MENT> 동승석에 아기 태울 때는 사고나면 ODS가 애 몸무게를 감지해서 에어백 약하게 터트리고요
[02:35] <MENT> 동승석에 카시트 두고 거기 애 뒀을 때는
[02:35] <MENT> 에어백 안터져요
[02:35] <MENT> 그럴 때 에어백 터지면 불법이에요
[02:35] <MENT> 음 그리고 제일 중요한건 안전벨트에요 에어백은 사실 중요한게 아니고
[02:36] <MENT> 안전벨트가 제일 중요한데 미국사람들이 안전벨트를 우리나라보다 더 안멘다고 하더라고요.
[02:36] <Work^Seony> 교통법 찾아보니까, 앞좌석에 뒤를 보게 앉히지만 않으면 되는군요
[02:37] <MENT> ㄷㄷ
[02:37] <MENT> 제가 기계공학 전공이라 제가 말한거 중에서 틀린건
[02:37] <MENT> 딱히 없을거에요
[02:37] <MENT> 흠
[02:37] <MENT> 자동차전공이나 열유체전공은 아니지만요
[02:40] <Work^Seony> 폭스바겐 조작사건이 절 계획에 없는 차를 구매하게 만들었네요 ㅎㅎ
[02:40] <bluedusk> 왜 또 저는 못하는 영어로 교육을 듣고 있는가...
[02:41] <autowiz> 영어를 더 잘하기 위한 ... 블루더스크님 오랜만에 뵙습니다~~
[02:41] <bluedusk> 영어 못하는데요
[02:41] <bluedusk> 제가 영어 잘하면 이미 ..
[02:48] <autowiz> 열심히 하시면 되지요 ^^ 방긋방긋
[03:16] <ipeter> 허허허
[03:16] <ipeter> 폭바 비틀 사고 싶어요.
[03:16] <ipeter> 근데 생각보다 비싸네요.
[03:17] <razGon_MINILA> 3천 중반대.
[03:17] <razGon_MINILA> 안사요. ㅎㅎ
[03:17] <ipeter> ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[03:17] <razGon_MINILA> 우리나라에서는 여성차로 인식되어 버려서
[03:18] <bluedusk> 전 돈이 없어서..
[03:18] <bluedusk> 300만원도 없군요 ㅠㅠ
[03:18] <razGon_MINILA> 저도...ㅠ.ㅠ
[03:18] <autowiz> 블더님은 3억쯤 있으실듯한
[03:21] <razGon_MINILA> ?
[03:22] <autowiz> 지갑에 현찰로 ㅎㅎㅎ
[03:22] <autowiz> 점심 먹고 오겠습니다. 제육이 먹고싶은 하루군요
[03:28] <imsu> 안녕하세용 ^^
[03:30] <bluedusk> 안녕하세요
[03:30] <bluedusk> 하지만 나가셨군요..
[03:31] <imsu> 식사들 맛나게 하세용 ㅎㅎ
[04:04] <ipeter_> ㅎㅎㅎ
[04:04] <ipeter_> 오후 일과 열심히 화이팅 하세요.
[04:04] <ipeter_> 자꾸 여기서 이야기 하는것을 걸리네요.
[04:04] <ipeter_> 이러다가 혼나겠습니다.
[04:18] <bluedusk> 전 그래서 클라우드 아얄씨 써서 원격 테스크탑에 띄어놓고
[04:18] <bluedusk> 원격 붙여서 가끔 봐요
[04:21] <jun> autowiz: 형 이번에는 신촌이 아닌 홍대점입니다! ㅎㅎㅎ
[04:21] <autowiz> 목요일이었지?
[04:38] <jun> 네 목요일이요
[04:46] <bluedusk> 홍대 너 무 머네요...ㅠㅠ
[04:55] <autowiz> 음냐음냐
[05:12] <jun> 압구정 한번 가야하는데 말이죠 ㅎㅎㅎ
[05:26] <autowiz> 복수는 복수를 낳더라도
[05:26] <autowiz> 사회와 인류의 정의실현을 위해 복수는 해야 하는거겠지요?
[05:42] <OrganicM> 법대로 하는게 낫지 않을까요
[06:11] <autowiz> 법대로 하다가는 제가 화병으로 죽을거 같습니다.
[06:32] <ipeter_> ??
[06:32] <ipeter_> 오즈님 무슨일 있으신가요?
[06:35] <jun> ??? 맥주병하나 들고 구로로 갈까요?
[06:36] <autowiz> 세상이 저를 힘들게 합니다.
[06:36] <autowiz> ㅠㅠㅠ
[07:25] <PotatoGim> 드디어 삼실에 인터넷이...ㅜ
[07:25] <PotatoGim> 드디어 사무실에 인터넷이 살아났네요..ㅜ
[07:25] <PotatoGim> 헉..
[07:32] <autowiz> 오호호
[07:32] <autowiz> 감축 드리옵니다.
[07:35] <autowiz> 속도나 에러율은 좀 어떠신가요? ㅎㅎ
[07:36] <PotatoGim> 끊김이 잦네요..ㅡㅡ;;
[07:44] <autowiz> 벤치비 테스트해보시고 , 끊김심하면
[07:45] <autowiz> 로컬 라인 테스트 후에 인터넷 업체 불러야 됩니다. 정 안되면 교체까지도
[07:45] <autowiz> 저희도 이사오고 이상하게 낮에만 심하게 느려지고 가끔 끊어지고 그랬는데 한달은 그랬던거 같습니다.
[07:45] <autowiz> (저희는 그냥 참으면서 견뎌내긴 했습니다만 ㅋㅋ)
[07:53] <HolyKnight> @ruliweb_rss: [정보] 대도서관 프로트타입2 불법다운한걸로 드러나 ift.tt/21d7krK
[08:06] <ipeter_> 안녕하세요 홀나님?
[08:19] <pchero_work> https://twitter.com/hashtag/%EA%B2%8C%EC%9E%84%EA%B0%9C%EB%B0%9C_%EA%B4%80%EB%A0%A8_%EA%BC%B0%EB%8C%80%EB%A9%98%ED%8A%B8?src=hash
[08:19] <pchero_work> ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 뿜었네요 ㅋㅋㅋ
[08:19] <pchero_work> 중간에 코딩하는거.. 자바 맞나요? ㅎㅎ
[08:23] <ipeter_> ㅎㅎㅎㅎ
[08:29] <MENT> 홀나님 그런데
[08:29] <MENT> 왜 본녀라고 하세여
[08:29] <MENT> 여자분이셨나여
[08:29] <MENT> 흠
[08:30] <MENT> ㅇㅇ씨는 부양가족도 없고 여자니까~
[08:30] <MENT> 꼰대멘트 ㄷㄷ
[08:30] <MENT> 헐
[08:33] <ipeter> 네. 여자분이신거 같아요.
[08:34] <ipeter> 물론 만나뵙지 못해서 아직은 잘 모르겠스비다.
[08:56] <autowiz> 퇴근시간이 다가오고 있습니다 ㅎㅎ
[09:12] <MENT> 넹 ㅎㅎ
[09:52] <autowiz> 안녕하세요
[09:57] <jun> autowiz: 형~ porc랑 c랑 무슨차이예요..?
[09:57] <JasonJang> pchero_work: hi~! 이거 좀 좋쵸? http://support.thingplus.net/
[09:58] <JasonJang> 해외(이스라엘 사이트?)에서도 이미 무료로 제공은 하고 있었지만, 한글판을 보니 반가워서요
[09:59] <autowiz> ProC 아닐까 ㅎㅎ
[09:59] <jun> 하하하하;;;; 뻘쭘하여라~
[10:02] <autowiz> 오라클에서 만든걸로 앍 ㅗ있는데
[10:03] <autowiz> 알고 있는데 ProC 는 대부분 C 문법인데 오라클DB 접속해서 자료 주고받는 함수 같은게 몇개 들어가 있고
[10:03] <autowiz> 이렇게 만든 aaa.pc 소스파일을 ProC 컴파일러로 컴파일을하면 aaa.c 파일이 나오는데
[10:04] <autowiz> 이 aaa.c 파일은 사람눈으로는 읽기 힘들정도로 복잡하단 말이지 , 다만 DB 접속하고 그런건 잘되.
[10:04] <autowiz> 아무튼 aaa.c 파일을 다시 C 컴파일러로 컴파일 해서 실행파일을 만들면
[10:04] <autowiz> elf 실행파일이 만들어진다는 말씀
[10:05] <autowiz> 그냥 c 에서는 db 접속하고 자료 받고 주고 하는게 php 라던가 java 처럼 간단하지가 않기에
[10:05] <autowiz> 만들어진 방법이지
[10:07] <autowiz> 설명이 너무 어려웠나
[10:15] <pchero_work> JasonJang: 오오오오오! 감사합니다! :)
[10:18] <jun> 음... 어려운듯 쉬운듯... 뭔가 이해할듯 못할듯하네요
[10:18] <autowiz> c 프로그램 보면 함수들 많이 쓰잖아
[10:19] <autowiz> 예를들면 printf 쓸려면 #include <stdio.h> 하는거처럼
[10:19] <autowiz> printf 를 쓸려면 printf 라는 함수에 뭐뭐가 인자로 들어가는지 동작은 어떻게 하는지 알아야 하겠지.
[10:20] <jun> 으흠~ 그렇군요;;
[10:20] <autowiz> 그럼 DB 관련 함수들이 수십개 정도 들어가 있는 c 언어의 확장판 이랄가
[10:20] <JasonJang> pchero_ work: ^^
[10:20] <jun> 살짝 맛은 보고 싶네요 ㅎㅎㅎ
[10:21] <autowiz> 그러면 ProC 컴파일러는 pc 문법으로 써진 함수등등을 일반 C 문법으로 바꿔주고
[10:21] <autowiz> 각각 OS 별로 이미 많이 만들어져 있는 C 컴파일러로 다시한번 컴파일 해서 실행파일을 만들면
[10:21] <autowiz> 실행이 가능한거지.
[10:22] <autowiz> OS 별로 C 컴파일러는 종류도 좀 많고 최적화도 자기들 OS (특히 UNIX) 에 맞게 되어 있기 때문에
[10:23] <autowiz> C 컴파일러(+링커) 는 건드리지 않을려고 한거 같음.
[10:23] <jun> 음...그렇군요 ㅎㅎㅎ
[10:23] <autowiz> http://www.joinc.co.kr/modules/moniwiki/wiki.php/Site/Database/dbms_programing/OracleProcPrograming_Start
[10:23] <autowiz> 4절부터 그냥 쭉 훓어보면 대충 감이 올지도
[10:24] <jun> 한번 생각해봐야겠네요 ㅎㅎㅎ 아예 못하는것보단 Pro c 라도 할줄 알면 좋을테니 ㅎㅎ
[10:24] <jun> 전 이만 물러나겠습니다
[10:24] <autowiz> ProC 쓰는데가 좀 있기는 한데 ... 어디가 ㅋㅋㅋ
[10:24] <jun> 어제 새벽까지 일했더니 살짝 몽하네요~ ㅎㅎㅎ
[10:25] <autowiz> 그다지 많이 쓰지는 않는다는 . 언능들어가서 잘자~
[10:25] <jun> 수고하세요~~~
[10:26] <autowiz> 게임하시는분들이 몇분이나 계실지 모르겠지만 , 한가지 여쭤볼려고 합니다.
[10:27] <autowiz> 게임용 노트북 100만원 근처로 추천 해주시면 감사하겠습니다. ㅎㅎ
[10:27] <autowiz> 특히나 intel i5 - 6세대랑 i7-6세대랑 차이 많이 날런지도 궁금합니다. ㅠㅠ
[10:30] <MENT> 음
[10:30] <MENT> 같은 세대에
[10:30] <MENT> i5랑 i7면
[10:30] <MENT> 한 30% 정도 차이나지 않을까요
[10:30] <MENT> 가성비는
[10:30] <MENT> 100만원 근처면
[10:31] <MENT> 한성노트북 보스몬스터 Lv.63이 105만원 정도인데요
[10:31] <MENT> 지금 이벤트 중이라
[10:31] <MENT> 원래 HDD 1테라인데 SDD 120기가도 끼워주는 것 같고
[10:31] <MENT> 프리도스라서 OS 설치하고 바이오스 설정하고 해야하긴 한데 105만원에
[10:31] <MENT> 가성비로는 좋은 것 같아요
[10:31] <MENT> CPU 6세대 스카이레이크 i5고요
[10:31] <MENT> 그래픽카드 gtx-960m
[10:32] <MENT> 해상도 1960X1080인가 그랬을걸요
[10:32] <MENT> 기본 램 8기가
[10:32] <MENT> 그거보고 105만원 치고는 가성비 좋다고 생각했었어요
[10:33] <pchero_work> 한성컴퓨터 보스몬스터 사용중인데, 만족하고 있습니다. ㅎㅎㅎ
[10:33] <MENT> :D
[10:34] <pchero_work> 약 3년전에 나온모델인데, 단점은 소음이 심해요.
[10:34] <MENT> 음
[10:34] <MENT> 소음 심한거는
[10:34] <pchero_work> 도서관에서는 못씁니다. ㅎ
[10:34] <MENT> 청소해주면
[10:34] <MENT> 좀 덜하지 않을까요
[10:34] <MENT> 제꺼는 델노트북인데
[10:35] <MENT> 소음 심해요
[10:35] <MENT> ㅜㅜ
[10:35] <MENT> 일단 3년 정도 써서 그런 이유도 있지 않을까요
[10:35] <pchero_work> 아뇨.. 저뿐만이 아니라 다들 그렇더라구요. ㅎㅎ
[10:35] <MENT> 음
[10:35] <MENT> 쿨링팬을
[10:35] <MENT> 다른걸로 갈아치우면
[10:35] <MENT> 소음 좀 덜 날 것 같아요
[10:35] <pchero_work> :) 넵 그렇게하면 소음이 많이 줄어든다고 하더라구요. ㅎ
[10:35] <autowiz> 저도 보스몬스터 좀 써봤는데
[10:35] <autowiz> 소음이 좀 있기는 하지요 ㅎㅎ
[10:35] <MENT> 제 델노트북도 3년정도 됐는데요 85만원에 i7 달려있길래
[10:36] <MENT> 당시에 어이쿠 85만에 i7이면 사야지 하고
[10:36] <autowiz> 뭐 게임머신이니 소음어느정도는 신경 안쓰기도 하지만
[10:37] <autowiz> http://prod.danawa.com/info/?pcode=3540402&cate=1131319
[10:37] <autowiz> 꺄~~ 339만원
[10:38] <pchero_work> GTX980....
[10:39] <autowiz> 모양도 이쁘장하네요 ㅎㅎ
[10:39] <autowiz> 역시 가성비는 한성만한게 없겠지요?
[10:41] <pchero_work> 제가 아는한.. 넵
[10:46] <MENT> msi보다 한성이 가성비는 더 좋아요
[10:46] <MENT> 한성에 대한 불신...을 가진 분들이 많긴 하지만요
[10:52] <autowiz> http://cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2586&cmp[]=2632&cmp[]=2448
[10:52] <autowiz> cpu 는 그렇다 치겠는데
[10:52] <autowiz> http://videocardbenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2981&cmp[]=3176
[10:52] <autowiz> gpu 차이가 좀 심하네요 자료가 잘못된걸까요
[10:56] <autowiz> 한성컴퓨터 X56K BossMonster LV.63 (SSD 120GB + 1TB) 으로 잠정적으로 결정을 짓도록 하겠습니다. 감사합니다 ^^
[10:58] <MENT> i5랑 i7는
[10:58] <MENT> 가격차이가 심해서
[10:58] <MENT> 저정도 차이나는게 음... 어찌보면 당연해요
[10:58] <MENT> 960m이
[10:58] <MENT> 순위로 따지면
[10:58] <MENT> 한 150위 정도에요
[10:58] <MENT> 980이 항상 탑 5 안이고요.
[10:59] <MENT> 제가 쓰는 630m이 350위 정도요
[10:59] <autowiz> 980 은 가격부터가 ㅎㅎㅎ
[10:59] <MENT> 일단 m 들어가면
[10:59] <MENT> 성능이 팍 내려갈 수 밖에 없죠
[10:59] <MENT> '-'
[10:59] <MENT> 네 980은 가격부터가....
[10:59] <autowiz> 이게 저는 글픽카드 gt240 쓰는데 ㅠㅠ 친구가 게임노트북 추천해달라고 ㅠㅠ
[11:00] <autowiz> 5만원짜리 중고 그래픽카드라도 하나 사볼려고 생각중입니다. ㅎㅎ gtx 750 정도
[11:05] <MENT> ㅎ_ㅎ
[11:05] <MENT> 저는
[11:05] <MENT> 630m을
[11:05] <MENT> 몇년 더 써야할지
[11:05] <MENT> (...)
[11:05] <MENT> 그나마
[11:05] <MENT> 500위 밖에 있지 않은걸
[11:05] <MENT> 다행으로 여겨야
[11:05] <MENT> 흑
[11:05] <MENT> ㅠㅠ
[11:05] <autowiz> 아흑
[11:05] <autowiz> 안타깝습니다 ㅠㅠ
[11:05] <MENT> 조만간 500위 밖으로 밀려날듯요
[11:06] <MENT> 2015년 6월기준
[11:06] <MENT> 960m이 150위에요 딱 150위
[11:06] <MENT> 980이 4위...
[11:07] <MENT> 제 630m은
[11:07] <MENT> 390위네요!
[11:07] <MENT> 컥
[11:07] <MENT> GT 420은...
[11:07] <MENT> 566위네요
[11:07] <MENT> 750은
[11:07] <MENT> 70위에요!
[11:08] <autowiz> 행복은 순위순이 아니잖아요 ㅎㅎㅎ
[11:11] <MENT> 맞아요!
[11:11] <MENT> 630m도
[11:11] <MENT> 게임만 안할거면
[11:11] <MENT> 충분히 쓸만해요
[11:11] <MENT> :D
[11:11] <MENT> 음 사실 전 게임을 안하거든여
[11:39] <autowiz> 저녁은 다들 어떤걸로 드시나요? ㅎㅎ
[11:40] <MENT> 저는맘스터치 칼슘플러스세트요
[11:42] <autowiz> 식욕이 없을때는 하루에 한끼먹고도 잘 버티는데
[11:43] <autowiz> 배가 고플때는 또 계속 배고프네요 ㅎㅎ 원래는 하루에 세번 배가 고파야 정상이었던거 같기는한데 말이지요 ㅠㅠ
[11:43] <autowiz> 하루 3끼 정상적으로 먹어본지가 언제인지...
[12:00] <DarkCircle> 괜찮아요 전 하루 한끼 먹으니까 ㄱ-;
[12:00] <DarkCircle> ㅠㅠ
[14:59] <ipeter> 집에 도착했습니다.
[15:00] <PotatoGim> 윽... 오늘은 퇴근이 늦으시는군요;
[15:02] <HolyKnight> eㄷㄷㄷㄷ
[15:10] <ipeter> 오늘은 성서모임이 있어서요.
[15:10] <ipeter> 이제 휘발유가 1300원대인가요.
[15:10] <ipeter> 그냥 자차를 몰고 다닐 생각을 해봅니다..
[15:11] <ipeter> ㅠ 하루 왕복 차비만 5000원이더군요.
[15:26] <HolyKnight> http://mlbpark.donga.com/mbs/articleV.php?mbsC=bullpen2&mbsIdx=3774747&cpage=2
[16:11] <ipeter> ??
[16:11] <ipeter> 안주무시는 분들 계신가요?
[16:42] <stypr> 저요 ㅎㅎ
[16:45] <stypr> 으익 나가셨네
[18:46] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[18:46] <DarkCircle> ~(~_~)~
[18:46] <DarkCircle> 춥네요.
[18:49] <Work^Seony> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNRymSkgFDc
[18:50] <Work^Seony> 상공 39km에서 다이빙하는건데, 거의 우주처럼 보이는데 낙하되는거 보니까 신기하네요
[18:56] <DarkCircle> 으메에에에에~
[18:59] <DarkCircle> 뭘 폈길래 돌아가던 몸이 멈췄을까요 ?ㅆ?
[19:02] <Work^Seony> 그러게요 그거 신기하더라구요
[19:02] <DarkCircle> 저 링크 보다가 다음으로 넘어가는 동영상 보니까 이게 진국이네요
[19:02] <DarkCircle> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwv2wsKYc8U
[19:03] <Work^Seony> 오오 풀버전이 있네요
[19:03] <DarkCircle> 저것도 사실 약간 편집한 버전이예요. 진짜 풀버전은 레드불 계정에 있을건데
[19:04] <Work^Seony> 명곡 중 하나인 한스짐머의 캐리비안의 해적입니다 ㅎㅎ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRh-dzrI4Z4
[19:09] <DarkCircle> 더 긴건 없는듯
[19:58] <DarkCircle> 웬지 듣다가 졸음이 오는군요 ㅋㅋ 알고 보니 반복
[19:58] <DarkCircle> ㅠㅠ
[20:13] <Work^Seony> 네 원래 저렇게 길지 않았는데, 저도 듣다보니 반복이더라구요
[20:18] <DarkCircle> 영화 장면 진행하면서 쓰려고 일부러 그렇게 만든건데 처음엔 저도 모르게 막 빠지다가
[20:19] <DarkCircle> 점점 졸려감 ㅋㅋㅋ
[20:19] <DarkCircle> 요새 영화 OST는 장면 스케일이 커지면 으리으리 하더군요 :D
[20:20] <Work^Seony> 네 요즘 음악 잘만들죠 ㅎㅎ
[20:22] <DarkCircle> 작곡기술도 점점 무시무시해지고 ...
[20:23] <DarkCircle> 음표찍고 템포 조절하고 리버브나 페달텐션 슥~ 그리면 찍자마자 그냥 바로 오케스트라 음악이 만들어지죠.
[20:24] <DarkCircle> 요샌 소프트웨어 이펙터 기술도 무시무시한 수준으로 발달해서 필터 플러그인 붙여서 한번 슥 돌리면 공연장 음악 즉석에서 찍어서 재생할 정도니 ㄷㄷ
[20:24] <Work^Seony> 기술의 발전이 감성의 발전까지 커버하는 세상이 왔네요
[20:24] <DarkCircle> 요새 그래서 보면 "감성 컴퓨팅"이란 분야가 있더라고요
[20:24] <DarkCircle> 영상+음향+센서 이런걸 다루는 ...
[20:37] <Work^Seony> 이번에 사수랑 부서장이 제 승진 요청 밀어주고 있는데, 솔직히 좀 걱정되네요 ㅎㅎ
[20:38] <DarkCircle> 걱정되시긴요. 그냥 하는거죠 /-.-/ 어차피 인생 한방인데
[20:38] <Work^Seony> 절차가 짜증나게 오래 걸리는 것도 그렇지만, 거절하면 어쩌나 하는 생각도 있고...
[20:38] <Work^Seony> 올해 3월부터 얘기해놨었거든요
[20:38] <DarkCircle> 한국엔 박사학위 따고도 겨우 연봉 3~4천이예요.
[20:38] <DarkCircle> 공무원으로 들어가면 말이죠.
[20:39] <DarkCircle> 삼성가도 4천 중반.
[20:39] <Work^Seony> 헐 정말요?
[20:39] <DarkCircle> 네
[20:39] <DarkCircle> 공무원으로 들어가면 또 평생 일하지도 않아요
[20:39] <Work^Seony> 사마휘님 보면 연봉 아주 높으시던데, 요즘 한국에서 IT하면 연봉 잘주지 않나요?
[20:39] <DarkCircle> 능력있는 분은 하다가 나가고 교사하고 이런식.
[20:39] <DarkCircle> 그건 ... 박사학위라서라기보다는 ...
[20:39] <DarkCircle> 아마 경력이 많아서일듯.
[20:40] <Work^Seony> 솔직히 미국도, 실리콘밸리랑 뉴욕 같은 대도시 제외하면 IT 연봉 고만고만하거든요
[20:40] <DarkCircle> 박사학위 하면서 중간중간에 일하는 분 있어요 그런분들은 실무경력이 사이사이에 끼어들어가니까 ...
[20:41] <DarkCircle> 그래도 학위가 어느정도 있고 포지션이 중요한 위치에 있고 어느정도 경력이 있으면 인건비가 쎄게 들어가죠.
[20:41] <DarkCircle> 한국에 비하면 ... 훨씬 많이.
[20:41] <Work^Seony> 저는 이번에 진급하면 제 사수가 그만두지 않는 이상, 앞으로 더 이상 진급은 불가능할 거 같은데... 그래봐야 연봉이 한국 돈으로 7천 좀 안되거든요
[20:42] <DarkCircle> 그정도면 꽤 버시는수준이죠 ㅋㅎㅎ 한국에 오시면 그 비용에 쳐줄 수 있는 곳 없어요.
[20:42] <DarkCircle> 대기업이라고해도 임원될거 아니면 다 나가라고 ㅡ.ㅡ;;
[20:42] <Work^Seony> 그게 물가나 생활 수준 등등 여러가지를 고려햇을 때, 여기서도 큰돈은 아니에요
[20:43] <DarkCircle> 네 거긴 워낙 물가가 좀 있으니까 대충 * 0.66666 하면 한국의 연봉쯤 계산이 나오죠.
[20:43] <DarkCircle> 아 한국 물가 비싼걸 말씀 못드렸구나 ㅡ,.ㅡ ...
[20:43] <DarkCircle> 지금 버스요금 ... 내년부터 1500원쯤 갑니다.
[20:43] <DarkCircle> 는 아직 싼거고 ... 이게 이만큼 오르면 전기요금 조금 많이 쓰면 예전에 6만원 나오던거 지금 8만원이고 ...
[20:43] <DarkCircle> 국제유가하고는 전혀 상관 없...
[20:44] <Work^Seony> 헐.... 한국 물가가 미국수준이네요...
[20:44] <Work^Seony> 하긴, 서민 물가는 제가 봐도 미국이 싸긴 싼 거 같아요
[20:44] <DarkCircle> 에어콘 여름에 좀 틀면 총 관리비 35만원 그냥 나옵니다.
[20:44] <DarkCircle> 고가 물품이야 좀 비싸게 파는건 이해를 하는데
[20:44] <DarkCircle> 기본적으로 생존에 필요한 자원을 쓰는 비용이 비싸서 ...
[20:45] <DarkCircle> 그리고 전기요금이 비싼 이유는 ...
[20:45] <DarkCircle> 망할 누진세 때문인데
[20:45] <DarkCircle> 누진세가 제곱곡선을 타고 쭉 올라갑니다.
[20:45] <Work^Seony> 네 누진세는 좀 문제 있죠
[20:45] <DarkCircle> 적장히 적게라고 해봐야 300kw 정도가 마지노선인가 그러던데
[20:45] <DarkCircle> 이게 400 올라가면 5만원선에서 8만원으로 올라가죠.
[20:45] <Work^Seony> 얼마 전에 텍사스에서 오신 부부랑 얘기를 좀 해봤는데, 거기는 원체 더운 곳이라 그렇기도 하겠지만 하루종일 한달 내내 에어컨 틀어도 전기세가 월 $100을 넘기가 힘들다네요
[20:46] <DarkCircle> 여긴 그렇게 틀었다가는
[20:46] <DarkCircle> 관리비가 에어콘 사흘에 한번 세시간씩 강으로 트는거 기준으로 35만원 나온다고 했을 때
[20:46] <DarkCircle> 150만원에서 180만원까지 올라갑니다.
[20:47] <DarkCircle> 대부분이 전기요금이죠 ㅋㅋ
[20:47] <Work^Seony> 하와이도 전기세가 비싼 편이긴 한데, 그런대로 살만은 해요 ㅎㅎ
[20:47] <DarkCircle> 수도요금은 생각보다 싸요. 쓸데없이 펑펑 쓰는거만 아니면. 많이 써봐야 20불선.
[20:47] <DarkCircle> 많이 쓴다는게 욕조에 담아두고 그냥 내려보내는거까지 포함.
[20:48] <DarkCircle> 한국이 물부족국가다 그러는데 다 뻥 -_-;
[20:48] <DarkCircle> 박정희 전두환 정권때 북괴가 살수공격한다 어쩐다 해서 댐 박아둔게 몇갠데 ...
[20:49] <DarkCircle> 그걸로 가둬놓은 물로만 해도 어지간히 쓰고도 남습니다. 물이 부족하다면 지하수 퍼다 쓰다가 너무 빨리 빨아땡겨서 문제가 생기는거예요.
[20:49] <Work^Seony> 수도요금은 한국이 싸긴 싸요
[20:49] <DarkCircle> 제가 군대에 있을때 하나 아쉬웠던게 물을 수돗물을 쓰는게 아니라 지하수를 퍼다 쓰는거였는데
[20:50] <DarkCircle> 여름에 비는 안오고 목욕은 해야 하고 미친듯이 빨아땡겨쓰다가 펌프 과열나서 소방차 불러다가 물퍼왔던거 ㅡ,.ㅡ;
[20:51] <DarkCircle> 물펌프 고친다고 일주일인가 물 쪼들리며 지냈는데 쫌 지나고 보니 또 안나와서 땅을 찔러보니까 지하수가 안나온다고 ...
[20:51] <DarkCircle> 그래서 그 다음에는 인근 호수에 물탱크 차 끌고 가서 물퍼오고 그랬습니다. ㅋㅋㅋ
[20:52] <DarkCircle> 벌써 10년전 얘기네요
[20:52] <Work^Seony> 흐 그렇군요..
[20:53] <Work^Seony> 몇달 새에 학교에 직원들을 엄청 뽑는데,
[20:53] <Work^Seony> 사실 알고보면, 뽑은 애가 너무 별로라서 자르고 다시 뽑고..
[20:53] <DarkCircle> 리스크가 엄청나겠군요 ㅡ,.ㅡ
[20:53] <Work^Seony> 이게 문제는, 학교 행정절차가 끔찍하게 느리다보니 고용절차가 최소 1달 이상씩 걸리는거죠..
[20:53] <DarkCircle> 한국이었으면
[20:53] <Work^Seony> 그래서, 윗선에서는 직원들 일 잘하고 성격 무난하면 왠만하면 안나갔으면 해요 ㅎㅎ
[20:53] <DarkCircle> 아침에 공문 넣으면
[20:54] <DarkCircle> 점심 되기 전까지 당일치기로 ...
[20:54] <DarkCircle> 그것도 못참으면 그냥 부서에 담당자 바꿔달래서 샤바샤바 커피 사준다고 하고 바로 처리 ..
[20:54] <DarkCircle> 진짜 빠르면 10분도 안걸립니다.
[20:55] <DarkCircle> 기관이니 행정절차를 거쳐서 결재라인을 타고 가야 하는게 맞긴 한데
[20:55] <DarkCircle> 간이식으로 휙.
[20:56] <Work^Seony> 여기는 좀 많이 복잡합니다.
[20:58] <DarkCircle> 거긴 (섬이 찢어진만큼=3) 조직이 복잡해보여서 복잡해질 수 있다고 보긴 한데
[20:58] <DarkCircle> 복잡한 정도가 지나치다면 그것도 문제긴 하겠네요.
[20:59] <DarkCircle> 무엇보다 주립대학이다보니 행정적인 어떤 절차 같은것도 무시할 수 없을거 같고요 .
[20:59] <DarkCircle> 그냥 사립대학이라면 모를까.
[21:09] <Work^Seony> 원래 하와이가 좀 많이 느려요. 미국 전체적으로 느리긴하지만, 하와이는 더 해요
[21:12] <DarkCircle> 종특(?)이군요 ㅋㅋㅋ
[21:14] <Work^Seony> 어찌어찌해서 이번에 제 부서장 컴퓨터를 몰래 들여다볼 일이 생겼었거든요 ㅋㅋ
[21:14] <Work^Seony> 제 사수 연봉은 $97,000 정도 되더라구요
[21:14] <Work^Seony> 하와이에서 이 정도면 뭐,...
[21:14] <DarkCircle> 게으르게 일해도 돈은 버네요 -ㅅ-
[21:14] <DarkCircle> 묘하네 ...
[21:14] <Work^Seony> 근데 제 사수는 제가 충분히 납득이 가는게, Ph.D거든요 ㅎㅎ
[21:15] <DarkCircle> 물론 딱 정해진 시간에 집중해서 빠듯하게 일을 한다는게 한국과 다르겠지만...
[21:15] <DarkCircle> 연봉을 높게 받으려면 결국 석박사를 받고 ㅡ,.ㅡ
[21:15] <DarkCircle> 취업하는거군요
[21:15] <Work^Seony> 미국인들의 IT에 대한 인식이나 고정관념이, 좀 뭐랄까 "엘리트 직업"이면서 동시에 "비용 많이 드는 일" 이라고 생각해요
[21:16] <Work^Seony> 한국에서야 비 IT 전공자들도 파워포인트나 포토샵 같은거 기본장착하지만,
[21:16] <Work^Seony> 여기서는 어림도 없어요 ㅎㅎ
[21:16] <DarkCircle> 한국은
[21:17] <DarkCircle> 돈주면 제품 뚝딱 찍어서 던져주는 직종이 IT직종이라고 생각하죠 ㅋㅋㅋ
[21:19] <Work^Seony> 한 20년 지나면 바뀔 거에요. 어차피 인구가 모자라기 때문에...
[21:19] <Work^Seony> 얼마 전에 인터넷에서 본, 요즘 초등학교 입학식 사진 보니까 충격이더라구요..
[21:19] <Work^Seony> 아예 애들이 없더라구요
[21:19] <DarkCircle> 네 그냥 한 학급만 들어와요
[21:19] <DarkCircle> 시골 학교 가면요
[21:19] <DarkCircle> 애 한명 들어오면 경사나요 ㅋㅋ
[21:19] <DarkCircle> 근데 너무 없으면요 -_-
[21:20] <DarkCircle> 다른 학교로 보내버립니다.
[21:20] <DarkCircle> 아얘 학년 자체를 안받고 그대로 폐교수순.
[21:21] <Work^Seony> 이 상태가 지속된지 몇년 된 걸로 알고있어요
[21:21] <Work^Seony> 그 애들이 성인이 되서 생산계층이 될 때쯤이면 한 20년 후일텐데, 그쯤되면 이미 심각한 수준이겠죠
[21:22] <Work^Seony> 제가 예전에는 미국 시민권까지는 딸 생각이 전혀 없었는데, 요즘은 딸 수만 있으면 따야겠다고 생각합니다 ㅎㅎ
[21:24] <DarkCircle> 교육하는거부터 시작해서 뭐 하여간 ... 좀 정신나간 사람들 투성이라
[21:25] <DarkCircle> 여기서 멀쩡한 정신을 갖고 사는거 자체가 정말 기적이라고 봅니다. ㅋㅋ
[21:25] <Work^Seony> 제가 여기서 늘 강조하지만, 한 살이라도 젊을 때 빨리 나오셔야됩니다 ㅎㅎ
[21:26] <Work^Seony> 미국도 그렇지만 전 세계적으로 이민법이 점점 까다로워지고 있거든요
[21:28] <DarkCircle> 한국이 ...
[21:28] <DarkCircle> http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/south-koreas-park-calls-for-mask-ban-at-protests-to-thwart-terrorist-elements
[21:28] <DarkCircle> 이래요 ㅋㅋㅋ
[21:28] <DarkCircle> 외신 기자중에 국가 지국장이 ...
[21:28] <DarkCircle> https://twitter.com/AlastairGale/status/669113779020390401
[21:28] <DarkCircle> 이런 트윗을 날렸으니 할 말 다했죠.
[21:28] <Work^Seony> 네 ㅎㅎ 이거 국내기사로도 이미 나온거라...
[21:29] <Work^Seony> 외신에서 보도될줄 알았쬬 ㅎㅎ
[21:29] <DarkCircle> 이거 조중동에서 나오면 누구 죽여야 하네 말아야 하네 난리도 아니예요
[21:29] <DarkCircle> 평소때 멀쩡해보였던 분들도 세월호하고 이번 사태 딱 지나가고 나서 보니까
[21:30] <DarkCircle> 인간적으로 원래 미친사람이구나 딱 그 생각 들더라는 ...
[21:30] <DarkCircle> 사람하나 죽어도 개의치 않는 나라 .
[21:30] <Work^Seony> 요즘 전 세계적으로 문제가 많죠...
[21:31] <DarkCircle> 남의 새끼 죽어봐야 내새끼 살아있으면 다 시끄러운 미친놈들의 얘기.
[21:31] <DarkCircle> 그런식으로 얘기들을 하니까.
[21:31] <Work^Seony> 그래서 제가 보는 울나라의 운명을 20년 내로 보는 겁니다 ㅎㅎ
[21:31] <DarkCircle> 그런 얘기들을 꺼내면 종북 빨갱이고 사회 선동분자들이다.
[21:31] <DarkCircle> 이게 머리에 피도 안마른 10대녀석들부터 이 소리를 해대고 다닙니다.
[21:32] <DarkCircle> 옆에서 친구가 죽어가도 죽든지 말든지죠.
[21:32] <DarkCircle> 용인 벽돌 살해사건때도 그랬거든요. 사람하나 죽었네? 하고 끝나고.
[21:32] <Work^Seony> 미성년자에 대한 법이 너무 관대해요
[21:33] <DarkCircle> 더 어처구니없었던게 ... "애가 죽였는데 그럼 뭘 어떻게 해요?" 이딴식으로 적반하장으로 나오니까.
[21:33] <DarkCircle> 미국은 부모가 감방에 들어가는데 한국은 부모 조차도 처벌을 안받습니다.
[21:33] <DarkCircle> 교육시킬 의무 조차도 안부과해요 ㅋㅋ
[21:34] <Work^Seony> 뭐, 말해봐야 짜증만 나서 요즘은 뉴스도 잘 안봅니다 ㅎㅎ
[21:35] <DarkCircle> 요새 개그맨들 힘들어서 막 그만두고 그러는데 이해가 가더라고요.
[21:35] <DarkCircle> 뉴스가 더 웃겨서 사람들을 더 웃실 자신이 없는건지 ...
[21:35] <DarkCircle> 실->길
[21:35] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎㅎ
[21:35] <DarkCircle> 정형돈 무한도전에서 잠시 내려왔죠.
[21:36] <DarkCircle> 예전엔 개그쇼에서 코너 하나 나오면 못해도 몇달 갔는데
[21:36] <DarkCircle> 요새는 개그코너가 두달 가면 진짜 잘버티는거고요
[21:36] <DarkCircle> 몇주 가다가 없어지는것도 비일비재해요
[21:36] <Work^Seony> 극심한 불안장애라던데, 정형돈이 그렇게 불안해하기에는 좀 방송하는거 많지않나요?
[21:37] <DarkCircle> 음 ... 간단하게 이런거예요.
[21:37] <DarkCircle> 정형돈이 개발자라면요.
[21:37] <DarkCircle> 좀 복잡한 기능을 하는 유닛이 코드 천줄을 짜면 된다 라고 할때
[21:37] <DarkCircle> 코드 천줄을 짜놓고 이게 될지 안될지 눈디버깅하면서 엄청 스트레스 받는거 .
[21:37] <DarkCircle> 불안장애가 심해지면
[21:37] <DarkCircle> 이걸 지우고 다시 짭니다.
[21:38] <DarkCircle> 나 자신 조차도 못믿는거죠. 자신감도 줄어들고.
[21:38] <DarkCircle> 그나저나 코드는 지웠다 썼다가 되는데
[21:38] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎㅎ 그렇군요
[21:38] <DarkCircle> 카메라 앞에서 개그하는건 "인생은 한방" 같은 느낌이라
[21:38] <DarkCircle> 한번 삐끗하면 뒤탈이 오래가잖아요 ㅋㅋ
[21:39] <Work^Seony> 하긴 그 동네야 그렇죠
[21:39] <DarkCircle> "하다 잘못되면 어떻게 하지" 같은게 계속 쌓이고 쌓이면
[21:39] <DarkCircle> 이거 때문에 카메라를 벗어나는 순간부터 사람이 사람이 아닌게 돼요.
[21:39] <DarkCircle> 혹시 동물원 가보셨나요?
[21:39] <Work^Seony> 당연하죠
[21:40] <DarkCircle> 동물원에 가보면요 가끔 원숭이나 사자 호랑이 .. 등 ... 언어로는 아니더라도 교감 가능한 동물들.
[21:40] <DarkCircle> 이 동물들도 좁은 인공 공간에 오래 갇히면 불안장애 행동이 나오는데요.
[21:40] <DarkCircle> 정해진 구역에서 빙빙 돕니다.
[21:41] <Work^Seony> 집에서 키우는 개도 우울증 걸리는데요 뭐 ㅋ
[21:41] <DarkCircle> 이걸 가장 관찰하기 쉬운건 ... 철창안에 햄스터 몇마리 가둬놓고 파는 집이예요.
[21:41] <DarkCircle> 근데 우울증이랑 불안장애랑 좀 다른게
[21:41] <DarkCircle> 우울증은 표현을 스스로 자꾸 안으로 삭히려고 하는게 있는데
[21:42] <DarkCircle> 불안장애는 그게 행동으로도 나옵니다.
[21:42] <DarkCircle> 우울증은 뭔가 가둬놓고 있다가 어느날 뻥! 터지고요. 불안장애는 구멍난 수도관 마냥 물이 줄줄 새는것처럼 이상행동이 나올 수 있는거죠.
[21:43] <Work^Seony> 그렇군요
[21:43] <DarkCircle> 범주로 따지면 불안장애도 우울증에 넣을 수 있긴 한데 - -;
[21:55] <autowiz> 다클옹 우울증 너무 잘 아시는거 아니에요 ㅎㅎㅎ
[21:55] <DarkCircle> 상담을 좀 해봤거든요.
[21:55] <DarkCircle> 제가 우울증에 걸려서가 아니라 남이 우울증 걸려있는 경우가 있어서
[21:56] <autowiz> 어제 ... 는 아니고 그저께 친구들이랑 동생들이랑 맥주 한잔 하는데
[21:56] <autowiz> 우울증 , 정신병원 상담 얘기등이 니왔는데
[21:56] <DarkCircle> 뭐 그렇다고 잘 아는 수준은 아니구요. 대충 이런 경향이 있고 이렇게~(?) 이야기를 하면 좀 나아질 수 있다. 물론 일시적으로. 정도 까지만 ㅎㅎ
[21:56] <autowiz> 삶이 힘들고 그럴땐 우울증 걸리는게 당연한거 같습니다 ㅠㅠ
[21:57] <DarkCircle> 우울증 말이죠 ... 막 엄청난거고 뭐 같은거고 내 삶에 답이 없어 죽어야지 이래야만 우울증은 아니더군요.
[21:58] <autowiz> 그냥 삶에 의욕이 떨어지고 그런거 부터 시작한다고 했던거 같아요
[21:58] <DarkCircle> 되게 사소한 부분에 있어서도 쭉~ 일관되게 맘에 안드는게 있으면 그 불만이 다른 대상으로도 전이가 되고 똑같이 불만 토로가 반복될때 그게 우울증으로 커지는 ..
[21:58] <autowiz> 뭐 맞는지 아닌지는 모르지만 , 저도 어쩌면 심각할 지도 ㅋㅋ
[21:59] <DarkCircle> 우울증 해결하는 가장 좋은 방법은 ...
[21:59] <Work^Seony> autowiz, 그럴 때는 삶에 큰 변화를 주심이...
[21:59] <DarkCircle> 그냥 부랄친구 하나 끼고 술 마시고 욕하면 돼요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[21:59] <autowiz> 노 스트레스 하게 살아야 하는데 ㅠㅠ
[21:59] <autowiz> 서니님 옆집으로 이사를 ㅋㅋㅋ 그리고 서니님 맥에 해킹시도 .... 철컹철컹 ㅋㅋ
[21:59] <DarkCircle> 누가 들을까봐 어쩐다느니 뭐라느니 부터 시작해서 자꾸 스스로를 억누르면 그게 병이 되더라고요
[22:00] <Work^Seony> 제 맥에 해킹할만한 자료가 있어야말이죠 ㅋㅋ
[22:00] <autowiz> 알 수 없습니다. 비밀 에이전트 이러실지도 ㅠㅠ 007 버금가는
[22:01] <Work^Seony> 제 컴퓨터에 있는건, 제가 모은 음악씨디의 mp3 파일과 야동 뿐
[22:04] <autowiz> 하악 ... 야구 좋아하시는구나
[22:08] <DarkCircle> 벌써 7시라니 -ㅅ-...
[22:09] <autowiz> 그러게요 벌써 7시네요 ㅠㅠ 슬픕니다. 마치 일요일 저녁에 아~ 내일 출근이네 하면서 아쉬워하는 느낌 인거 같습니다 ㅎㅎ
[22:09] <autowiz> 9시까지 두시간밖에 안남았네요.. 요즘 코드를 짜야하는데 사무실에서 집중이 죽어라고 안되네요
[22:09] <DarkCircle> 거의 열흘동안 침대에 엎어져있고 컴을 못만져서 방치한거 오늘 손보는데
[22:10] <autowiz> 다클옹 아프시다는건 좀 나으셨어요?
[22:10] <DarkCircle> 빌드할 꺼리가 산더미같이 늘어나서 빌드 다 되는거 기다리다가 ... 보니까 해가 떴네요 -_-;
[22:10] <autowiz> 저는 맨날 당하면서도 또 당하고 있습니다.
[22:10] <DarkCircle> webkit-gtk net-snmp wine이런게 의외로 빌드 시간이 길어서 ㅠㅠ
[22:10] <autowiz> 회사에서 처음엔 기본골격만 혼자서 짜면 팀만들어서 시스템개발 2~3명 UI 개발 2~3명 해서 추진하자 했던게
[22:11] <DarkCircle> 웬지 안봐도 비디오 일거 같네요
[22:11] <autowiz> 팀장겸 시스템개발 저혼자 하고 UI 2년차 하나 뽑아주고 , 자 제품을 만들어보자... 그것도 다른 회사에서 나오는거 보다 저 좋게 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[22:11] <DarkCircle> 처음엔 으쌰으쌰! 하면서 술판단합! 이런거도 하고
[22:12] <DarkCircle> 그래놓고는 흐지부지
[22:12] <autowiz> 초심을 좀 이어 갔으면 하는 마음이 ㅠㅠ
[22:12] <DarkCircle> 돈은 받고 싶고 일은 하기 싫은거죠들.
[22:12] <DarkCircle> (...)
[22:12] <autowiz> 지금도 오버워크 인데 , 정말 저도 제몸에 불을 붙일지도 ㅠㅠ
[22:13] <autowiz> 인생을 즐겁게 불태워야 하는데 아흑
[22:13] <DarkCircle> 차라리 서버실을 폭파하는게 =3
[22:13] <autowiz> 서버실이 없어서 폭파불가 ㅋㅋㅋ
[22:14] <DarkCircle> 전형적인 FAIL 이군요 ㅡ,.ㅡ
[22:20] <autowiz> Future Artificial Intelligent Language ....
[22:21] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎ
[22:21] <autowiz> 메이드로봇 같은거 수년안에 나올지도 모른다던데
[22:21] <autowiz> 정녕 그런거 데리고 살아야 할려나요 뭐 없는거보다는 나을지도 모르겠습니다만.
[22:22] <autowiz> 예전에 로봇 강아지를 집에 데려온적이 있는데 한 두달은 재미있게 놀았던거 같습니다. 소니 아이보 같은거요
[22:23] <Work^Seony> 로봇강아지 실제 개랑 많이 비슷하면 저 하나 사고싶어요 ㅎㅎ
[22:46] <autowiz> http://www.dodge.com/en/dart/model_details/#model=gt&year=2015
[22:46] <autowiz> 19곰 테드라는 영화에서 아만다 사이프리드가 자체로 나오는거 같은데 이쁘네요
[22:47] <autowiz> 가격도 저렴한편이고
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.869526
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-release
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[00:36] <cjwatson> sbeattie: It might theoretically be nice, though it would be complicated to do and I wouldn't be surprised by unforeseen consequences. The bulk of cases where it matters (though indeed not all) turn into runtime deps
[06:29] <lordievader> .win20
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.882684
| 2015-11-24T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-motu
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[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[20:08] <benstrumental> Trying to decrypt a confirmation email for editing my pgp keys on LaunchPad - I put the email contents in a file, called `gpg -d` on that file and get `gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: processing message failed: eof`
[20:22] <benstrumental> I have solved my problem
[20:22] <benstrumental> Thank you
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.884186
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2015-11-24-#lubuntu
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[07:21] <Bengan_> Good morning. I tried to install Lubuntu onto a machine yesterday. I got as far as Installing bootloader, then it crashed! Has theproblem been fixed?
[09:43] <filisko> why on lubuntu default theme when I change the colors they never change?
[14:32] <cimbakahn> Is anyone out there?'
[14:33] <cimbakahn> I cannot find vlc and ubuntu-restricted-extras in Synaptic PM.
[14:34] <bioterror> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras vlc
[14:41] <cimbakahn> It looks like it might be working.
[14:44] <cimbakahn> Yep! It worked. Thank you very much!
[14:46] <bioterror> you're welcome
[14:46] <cimbakahn> I wonder how i was able to get both of those without having a PPA for them......
[14:49] <bioterror> they do not need PPA
[14:52] <cimbakahn> If they were not in Synaptic, how was i able to get them with those commands?
[14:53] <tsimonq2> hi, I was wondering how I could make VLC the default media player in Lubuntu
[14:53] <tsimonq2> for all video and audio files
[15:06] <cimbakahn> I was just trying to do the same thing but i can't figure it out yet.
[15:08] <cimbakahn> I went to Prefrences / Default Applications for LXSession.
[15:09] <Needing-help> ;help
[15:09] <AntiSpamMeta> Please refer to http://antispammeta.net and irc.freenode.net #antispammeta
[15:11] <Needing-help> hello, please anyone, i need help, i installed lubuntu live iso on usb flash drive, and booted it, but failed with a kernel panic, i read something related to this processot is not supported, but i`m not sure, because my processor is a VIA c7 x86 compliant, Can anyone please help me? i tried to boot with safe parameters, but the initial menu is broken (is missing safe options).
[15:12] <Needing-help> i`m waiting, thanks in advance.
[15:14] <cimbakahn> I don't know the solution to your problem. Maybe someone else does.
[15:14] <Needing-help> thank you
[15:16] <Needing-help> do you know how to boot with acpi=off, but instead of using (install acpi=off) use .... something live iso ....... acpi=off ?
[15:21] <cimbakahn> No. Sorry! I don't.
[15:22] <cimbakahn> There will be many more people here later. I'm sure someone can help you.
[16:32] <cimbakahn> Does this really work on this page ----> http://askubuntu.com/questions/57919/how-to-open-all-video-files-with-vlc Editing the mimeapps.list at ~/.local/share/applications
[16:33] <cimbakahn> I wouldn't be screwing anything up if i did it, would i?
[17:14] <cimbakahn> Is this correct? ----> https://paste.teknik.io/2437 Or should each line have a ; Semi-colon after it?
[17:30] <krytarik> cimbakahn: For reference: http://standards.freedesktop.org/mime-apps-spec/mime-apps-spec-1.0.1.html
[17:31] <cimbakahn> Thank you Krytarik! I'll check it out.
[17:38] <cimbakahn> What is crossposting? So i can make sure i don't do it again.
[17:40] <krytarik> !crosspost | cimbakahn
[17:44] <cimbakahn> I see. I didn't know that. I was just doing that in hopes that i would get an answer. There have been times in the past where i never got an answer at all and i was very patient. Sometimes i waited an hour. Sorry!
[17:45] <wxl> cimbakahn: such is the nature of irc. not everyone available always has the answer to a specific question. also don't forget we're all volunteers and have regular jobs too XD
[17:45] <wxl> cimbakahn: if you can'
[17:45] <wxl> t get an immediate answer, using alternative means like askubuntu or mailing lists wqould be suggested
[17:46] <cimbakahn> Thank you for the other ideas!
[17:47] <wxl> np and good luck with yoru issue :)
[21:42] <OpenSorce> Hi guys! I'm looking for a way to edit .desktop files so that I can make the app launch with it's own titlebar (decoration) without the system decoration. Is there a way to do this?
[21:43] <OpenSorce> Or maybe find an exclusions list like blackbox uses to exclude some apps from being decorated?
[22:26] * tsimonq2 is gone: test
[22:27] <iynque> TEST FAILED. You will not inherit the chocolate factory. GOOD DAY.
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.888889
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-pl
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[07:09] <gjm> było blisko
[15:54] <zasek> kupilem antene zewnętrzną do Play LTE po podlączeniu jeszcze gorzej chodzi niz chodizło
[15:55] <zasek> podłaczam do Rx/tx
[15:55] <zasek> nadajnik widze przez okno, około 3 km
[15:55] <zasek> nie wiem co grane jest
[16:55] <zasek_> ??
[16:56] <gjm> ¿¿
[17:21] <qermit> [17:22] <zasek_> ?
[17:23] <qermit> [17:26] <zasek_> nie kapcze
[17:26] <zasek_> jakis hebrajski jezyk
[17:28] <gjm> Heszke w meszke, him, heszke w meszke, him
[17:28] <gjm> Ryszki szyszki, szyszki, to Król Albanii!
[17:28] <gjm> Szere mere, chociosz teszto, sztara sztasz
[17:28] <gjm> Ruchnin szniszkin, osznisz sztisznisz, kurwasz haj
[17:30] <zasek_> najebany ?
[17:30] <gjm> proszę się wyrażać
[17:30] <zasek_> tak to wygląda
[17:32] <gjm> zmiana
[17:36] <CookieM> tylko dla ludzi o mocnych nerwach http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1448344056251.webm
[17:36] <gjm> 4fag
[17:37] <Voldenet> CookieM: to obrzydliwe, wklejam na /amsg
[17:37] <Voldenet> :-)
[17:38] <gjm> co to kurde za zwierz
[17:38] <zasek_> hehe
[17:38] <zasek_> a to był zwierz?
[17:57] <zasek_> eee, co zrobic zeby za kazdym razem jak zamkne pokrywa lapka i otworze nie pojawiało mi sie " konfiguracja ekranu" ?
[17:57] <zasek_> ubuntu 14.04 + Xface
[19:39] <zasek_> widze że każdy ma zero wiedzy na ten temat
[19:46] <gjm> zwłaszcza ty
[19:49] <zasek_> wal sie
[19:49] <zasek_> gjm
[19:49] <gjm> no, panie kolego
[19:49] <zasek_> siedzisz to na kanale jak jakis debil i piszesz w jakim kurda zydoewskim jezyku
[19:51] <cylon> zasek_: http://bfy.tw/2xEt
[19:56] <sysek> ktoś coś pisał do mnie
[19:56] <sysek> tabfail
[20:12] <sylwek> o gjm
[20:12] <gjm> o ja
[20:13] <sylwek> cisza dalj tu
[20:13] <sylwek> ?
[20:13] <sylwek> dalej
[20:15] <sylwek> napisz cos w tym żydowskim języku co przedtem
[20:15] <sylwek> :)
[20:19] <sylwek> gjm> Heszke w meszke, him, heszke w meszke, him
Ryszki szyszki, szyszki, to Król Albanii!
Szere mere, chociosz teszto, sztara sztasz
Ruchnin szniszkin, osznisz sztisznisz, kurwasz haj
[20:20] <sylwek> SPAM
[20:20] <Dread> gjm: weź go coś
[20:20] <sylwek> co niby, gosc banuje a sam spami
[20:21] <sylwek> on wie dobrze kogo zablokował przedtem
[20:21] <gjm> nie, kogo?
[20:21] <sylwek> zasek_
[20:21] <sylwek> ???
[20:21] <gjm> no i co w związku z tym?
[20:21] <sylwek> nic,
[20:23] <sylwek> jak to sie mówi: bogu
[20:23] <sylwek> :):)
[20:23] <gjm> jest druh boruh?
[20:23] <sylwek> taaa, albo jak te isisy allah-abkdah
[20:23] <sylwek> czy jak to sie pisze
[20:25] <sylwek> dzis putin rakietą dostał, następna woja bedzie
[20:25] <sylwek> wojna
[21:16] <sylwek> i?
[21:54] <jacekowski> wiecie jakie chile jest fajne
[21:54] <BlessJah> sigh
[21:54] <BlessJah> zlot jakis?
[21:54] <jacekowski> prawie jak hiszpania ale takie bardziej europejskie
[21:55] <jacekowski> i gadaja po angielsku
[22:00] <sylwek> no to fajnie
[23:31] <jacekowski> https://gallery.jacekowski.org/index.php/Hobbiton
[23:32] <jacekowski> zwlaszcza to
[23:32] <jacekowski> https://gallery.jacekowski.org/index.php/Hobbiton/DSC01455
[23:32] <jacekowski> porownajcie sobie z filmem
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.902474
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-kernel
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[15:08] <gQuigs> so following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/KernelBugFixing but there is no debian/control or changelog file, where do those come from?
[15:08] <gQuigs> thanks for the response over the w/e :)
[15:10] <gQuigs> (specifically it fails on test building the patch - or can't edit the changelog because one doesn't exist)
[15:14] <apw> gQuigs, if that is a git checkout then those files are missing until you clean, the real changelog is in debian.<branch>/changelog, likely master in the normal case
[15:14] <apw> fakeroot debian/rules clean
[15:16] <gQuigs> apw: awesome thanks!
[15:16] <gQuigs> hmm.. for some reason I didn't have kernel-wedge installed which seems important
[15:18] <apw> gQuigs, yep, you (in theory) need all the build-deps installed to clean it, though in fact for the kernel, kernel-wedge is the only one
[15:20] <gQuigs> ah, I use doing apt-get build-dep linux-generic.. which is just a meta package.. oops
[17:50] <jderose> any chance 4.2.0-19 will be released today? :)
[20:23] <crshman> Hey Guys, looks like the intel nightly's stopped building again. Could someone look into this? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/drm-intel-nightly/current/
[20:44] <gQuigs> crshman: seems like the same issue as the daily lnet/lustre driver
[20:45] <gQuigs> hmm.. I see that was talked about here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.4-rc2-Spun-For-Ubuntu
[20:47] <crshman> got it, thanks gQuigs
[20:53] <gQuigs> from http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2303120 I found this fix -https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/11/6/987
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.905665
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-tr
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[02:37] <Galatasaray> beyler
[16:50] <fsociety[00]dat> merhaba arkadaşlar
[16:50] <turgay> merhaba
[16:51] <fsociety[00]dat> usb kullanarak mini.iso ile önyükleme yaptığımda disk bölümlendirme ekranında sabit diskim ikinci disk olarak ( sdb ) görünüyor
[16:52] <fsociety[00]dat> aslında tek diskim var fakat usb ile önyükleme yaptığım için usb belleği birinci disk olarak ( sda ) görüyor
[16:52] <fsociety[00]dat> bu sıralamayı değiştirme imkanım var mı?
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.908454
| 2015-11-24T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-24-#lubuntu-devel
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[17:22] <cimbakahn> Is this correct? ----> https://paste.teknik.io/2437 Or should each line have a ; Semi-colon after it?
[17:32] <krytarik> cimbakahn: This channel is for development, not support - and you are crossposting, too.
[17:35] <cimbakahn> What is crossposting? Is it a bad thing to do here?
[17:36] <phillw> cimbakahn: yes on both counts
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.909509
| 2015-11-24T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu+1
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[13:07] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[13:08] <krabador> hi BluesKaj
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hi krabador
[23:47] <retrojeff> $ sudo sed -i 's/trusty/xenial/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:47] <retrojeff> will this work?
[23:47] <retrojeff> the only errors I saw are 404's on the extras
[23:52] <retrojeff> oh crap when I marked all the upgrades in synaptic package manager its showing so many broken packages
[23:52] <retrojeff> so this is a bad idea
[23:53] <TJ-> how about do-release-upgrade --devel
[23:54] <retrojeff> in synaptic is says on the bottom
[23:55] <retrojeff> 3416 packages listed, 3485 installed, 4 broken. 3295 to install/upgrade, 141 to remove
[23:56] <retrojeff> broken ones are pidgin-twitter, swig, telepathy-haze
[23:56] <retrojeff> and pidgin-encryption
[23:56] <retrojeff> I guess I could purge these
[23:57] <retrojeff> ok selecting to purge swig installs swig3.0
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.911397
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-irc
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[00:38] <hggdh> Pici: ^
[00:40] * genii tries to entice someone by baking cookies
[00:55] * hggdh is on a diet, no sudars
[00:55] <hggdh> sugars, even
[01:01] <Unit193> Not in there anymore, hggdh.
[01:11] <hggdh> Unit193: ack, and thanks
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.913180
| 2015-11-24T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-24-#maas
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[02:38] <mup> Bug #1519165 opened: MAAS erroneously assumes that it must have a unique interface for an unmanaged network <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519165>
[03:15] <mup> Bug #1519177 opened: MAAS 1.8 fails to find a cluster interface when an off-network node boots <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519177>
[08:45] <mup> Bug #1519247 opened: 1.9 rc2: error in migration when migrating unmanaged subnet <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519247>
[13:37] <mup> Bug #1519358 opened: Non-fatal error message observed in PXE boot sequence <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519358>
[15:27] <Xat`> hi guys
[15:28] <Xat`> is MaaS working on latest ubuntu stable ?
[15:31] <mup> Bug #1519396 opened: mtu field is not exposed over the API for VLAN <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519396>
[15:31] <mup> Bug #1519397 opened: Once a cache_set is created the UI fails with ERROR <MAAS:Triaged by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519397>
[15:34] <mup> Bug #1519396 changed: mtu field is not exposed over the API for VLAN <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519396>
[15:34] <mup> Bug #1519397 changed: Once a cache_set is created the UI fails with ERROR <MAAS:Triaged by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519397>
[15:40] <mup> Bug #1519396 opened: mtu field is not exposed over the API for VLAN <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519396>
[15:40] <mup> Bug #1519397 opened: Once a cache_set is created the UI fails with ERROR <MAAS:Triaged by ltrager> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519397>
[16:24] <bladernr_> Can someone explain Zones to me in MAAS? AIUI, it's just a way for me to group systems by some arbitrary location... e.g. I could have a Rack 1 Zone and put all nodes from Rack 1 in that zone, and a Rack 2 zone, etc.
[16:24] <bladernr_> Is there a way to say "Deploy all nodes from Rack 1"
[16:25] <bladernr_> Or can I pass juju a constraint like zone=rack2
[16:30] <bladernr_> nm, answered my own questions...
[17:37] <Xat`> guys, is it possible to create vswitch and vrouter using maas web interface ?
[20:27] <los> Q: Is there any "supported" virtual ways to run MAAS so we can gain some experience w/o buying 10k$ of hardware?
[20:50] <mup> Bug #1519470 opened: Deployment always fails when creating a RAID storage config <hwcert-server> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1519470>
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.917304
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-fi
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[06:34] <ramukkka> morjesta
[06:36] <Maakuth> moro
[06:53] <ramukkka> onkohan MadCatz R.A.T. 7:lle tulossa ollenkaan virallista supporttia? hemmetinmoinen säätö että saa siinä napit toimimaan ja scrollin painaminen ei toimi ollenkaan
[06:55] <ramukkka> ja GeForce GTX 750 Ti:n käyttäminenkään ei onnistu ilman ylimäärästä säätöö ellei sit 800x600px laajakuvaan venytetty ruutu kelpaa
[06:59] <StockAntenna> tuommoinen borg-teknologiaa muistuttava pelihiiri näemmä
[07:03] <Thaurwylth> Onko tämä nyt taas se klassinen eri nvidia-xxx pakettien käyttöjudanssi? Siis toinen asia.
[10:15] <Max^> eikö tuollaisen romukasaa muistuttavan hiiren käyttö ole aika epämukavaa
[13:55] <Tomin> en kyllä tiiä että olis millekään pelihiirelle virallista tukea ainakaan laitevalmistajalta. Mutta tämmöisestä kuulin joku aika sitten: https://github.com/libratbag/libratbag
[13:56] <Tomin> (oon varmaan auttamattomasti myöhässä, mutta sanoinpa vaan)
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.921443
| 2015-11-24T00:00:00 |
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"Max^",
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"ramukkka"
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-unity
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[07:37] <Guest33114> there something wrong with unity8 o_O when i try to resize the window... the shell rotates
[07:37] <Guest33114> trunk
[08:05] <Saviq> Guest33114, can you give a bit more info? ideally file a bug, please?
[08:13] <Guest33114> Saviq, i'm on 16.04 and just compiled the trunk, i run unity8 with ./run.sh ... now, when i try to resize the window, unity8 rotates 90 degres (to landscape ) but not every time 1 out of 3 tries or something
[08:14] <Guest33114> if i can't fix it i'll file a bug
[08:16] <Saviq> Guest33114, ah, so running "fake" under X11, lemme see
[08:16] <Guest33114> Saviq, yep
[08:19] <Guest33114> Saviq, http://i.imgur.com/AWHo0jq.jpg
[08:19] <Guest33114> ./run.sh , tap to unlock and then resize
[08:26] <Guest33114> hm... when i resize it back, rotates back to portrait
[08:26] <Guest33114> o_O
[08:36] <Saviq> Guest33114, (not sure if you want your nick to remain that), I got to reproduce, there's a binding loop printed which might be the culprit:
[08:36] <Saviq> OrientedShell.qml:176:5: QML Shell: Binding loop detected for property "orientation"
[08:36] <Saviq> can you file a bug please with those steps to repro?
[08:37] <pixel_> Saviq, sure :D
[08:43] <pixel_> Saviq, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1519250
[09:32] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ping
[09:35] <Mirv> tsdgeos: pong
[09:36] <tsdgeos> Mirv: commented in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-qt5/+bug/1447474 i guess this one can be marked as fixed?
[09:41] <Mirv> tsdgeos: most probably, I haven't tried it out. currently xenial images are booting but for some reason Qt 5.5 PPA gets Unity8 crashing... trying to look at it
[09:42] <Mirv> tsdgeos: we don't need telepathy-qt5 rebuild anyway, that was just a bug based on a test build
[09:42] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I'll do another test rebuild and update the bug accordingly
[09:45] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:32] <Saviq> mzanetti, hey, do we have a bug to dupe #1519234 to?
[10:32] <Saviq> bug #1519234
[10:32] <mzanetti> I duped one today already :D
[10:32] <mzanetti> one sec
[10:33] <mzanetti> Saviq, actuall, turns out this is the one where people have been duping things to
[10:35] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, pstolowski: http://notyetthere.org/data/freeeeze.mp4
[10:35] <tsdgeos> :/
[10:36] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: so second time you get this?
[10:36] <pstolowski> oh
[10:36] <mzanetti> yep
[10:37] <pstolowski> mzanetti, can you grab a backtrace of all threads?
[10:37] <mzanetti> hmm...
[10:37] <mzanetti> seems I can reproduce it
[10:37] <mzanetti> with the spiegel scope
[10:38] <pstolowski> mzanetti, is this ota8 or current rc-proposed?
[10:38] <mzanetti> pstolowski, rcproposed
[10:38] <mzanetti> pstolowski, I suspect happened after landing diff updates
[10:39] <pstolowski> mzanetti, that would be my suspect as well
[10:39] <mzanetti> pstolowski, install the spiegel.de scope from the store, let me know if you can repro
[10:39] <mzanetti> if not, I'll get you the stack traces
[10:42] <pstolowski> mzanetti, ok
[10:49] <mzanetti> note to myself: when testing the lockscreen, do not only put wrong combinations in :D
[10:49] * mzanetti grabs a coffee
[10:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, tsdgeos, one thing about the activity spinner - it's an animator, so running on the render thread
[10:52] <Saviq> mzanetti, not like you can't adb/ssh into it and reset the timer ;)
[10:52] <mzanetti> Saviq, how do I reset the timer?
[10:53] <Guest234612> mzanetti, my custom unity8 theme http://i.imgur.com/pCzkyHm.jpg . perfect <3
[10:54] <mzanetti> ??
[10:54] <Saviq> mzanetti, I think it's stored in AccountsService
[10:54] <Guest234612> mzanetti, i'm just having some fun with unity8 (trying to make a custom theme)
[10:55] <Saviq> mzanetti, check /var/lib/AccountsService/users/phablet
[10:56] <mzanetti> Guest234612, (really, get a nick :D) there's a branch that updates the visuals for the window decorations
[10:56] <Saviq> there almost is a silo now, too
[10:56] <mzanetti> better :)
[10:57] <pixel_> mzanetti :D let's find out the branch then :D
[10:57] <pixel_> but first to finish my silly theme
[10:57] <mzanetti> pixel_, https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/unity8/newWindowDecosAndPanel
[10:57] <pixel_> mzanetti, Uuuuuuu nice! :D thanks
[10:58] <pixel_> new stuff <3
[11:58] <pstolowski> mzanetti, playing with spiegel scope on rc-proposed, haven't seen complete freeze yet. it paused once for a few seconds when i swiped left to another scope, but was still working. do you need to do anything special in spiegel scope to trigger freeze?
[12:06] <mzanetti> pstolowski, so in my case, I have like 8 favorited scopes, the spiegel one somewhere in the middle
[12:06] <mzanetti> and then I just swipe left/right...
[12:09] <Saviq> dandrader, hey, FTBFS on both qtmir and qtubuntu with the surface MPs: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-005
[12:10] <Saviq> dandrader, in qtmir, SurfaceManager test fails, qtubuntu doesn't build due to some mir symbols missing
[12:10] <Saviq> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/227392515/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.qtmir_0.4.6%2B15.04.20151123-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:10] <Saviq> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/227392401/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.qtubuntu_0.62%2B15.04.20151123-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:10] <Saviq> are we missing a branch in the silo? or maybe new mir or something?
[12:12] <mzanetti> pstolowski, http://notyetthere.org/data/frozen_scopeghurt.mp4
[12:14] <pstolowski> mzanetti, ok, thanks, interesting
[12:14] <dandrader> Saviq, will check
[12:20] <pstolowski> mzanetti, you're not on bq, are you?
[12:20] <mzanetti> pstolowski, krillin, yes
[12:24] <pstolowski> mzanetti, ok, bq here too. it's a bit sluggish for me but never to the point where it would freeze. may i ask you for 'thread apply all bt' from gdb (with debug symbols for unity-plugin-scopes - http://ppa.launchpad.net/ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay/ubuntu/pool/main/u/unity-scopes-shell/ should be it)
[12:24] <pstolowski> ?
[12:25] <mzanetti> ok... will try...
[12:29] <pstolowski> thanks
[12:51] <mzanetti> pstolowski, actually, seems to be rather the today scope than the spiegel scope
[12:51] <mzanetti> pstolowski, I've removed the spiegel one, now hanging at the today one
[12:53] <mzanetti> pstolowski, what channel are you running on your krillin?
[12:53] <mzanetti> I've a suspicion that it only happens with some aggregated stuff in the today scope which isn't around in the ubuntu channel
[12:54] <mzanetti> basically entering the today scope makes it lock up up
[12:54] <pstolowski> mzanetti, rc-proposed. i'm on r187 now
[12:54] <mzanetti> pstolowski, rc-proposed is not a precise channel definition :)
[12:54] <pstolowski> mzanetti, rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[12:54] <mzanetti> ok... that does
[12:55] <mzanetti> hmm
[12:55] <mzanetti> you have some data on that device too?
[12:55] <mzanetti> like some sms, favorite contacts and what not
[12:55] <pstolowski> mzanetti, nope. i don't have sim card in it
[12:55] <mzanetti> pstolowski, so, I can only repro it with my dogfooding device
[12:55] <mzanetti> and I'd like to get info out of that withoug installing dbg symbols
[12:56] <mzanetti> are there any logs that could be helpful?
[12:56] <pstolowski> mzanetti, check .cache/upstart/unity8-dash.log
[12:57] <pstolowski> mzanetti, try without debug symbols first, but it will probably not show much
[12:57] <mzanetti> aha
[12:57] <mzanetti> this is the last message it prints always: Disabling location updates
[12:58] <mzanetti> but it seems to freeze before
[12:58] <mzanetti> and actually when dispatching a search to a scope of mine :)
[12:58] <mzanetti> swp-scope
[12:59] <mzanetti> I once tried to create an aggregator scope but miserably failed
[12:59] <pstolowski> :]
[12:59] <pstolowski> mzanetti, shouldn't freeze (in theory)
[12:59] <mzanetti> yeah... couldn't figure how to do it
[12:59] <mzanetti> so there might be some partial stuff
[12:59] <mzanetti> let me check details
[12:59] <pstolowski> i need food. bbl
[12:59] <mzanetti> perfect timing
[13:00] <mzanetti> heike just called too
[13:00] <mzanetti> bbl
[13:13] <dandrader> Saviq, fixed qtmir and qtubunt
[13:22] <Saviq> dandrader, tx
[13:24] <dandrader> Saviq, mir must have change (or fixed ) something in its include in the latest point release
[13:25] <RAOF> Yeah, you might have hit a missing dependency of one of our -dev packages.
[13:25] <Saviq> ack
[13:26] <Saviq> /methinks RAOF has highlight on "mir" :D
[13:26] <dandrader> :)
[13:26] <RAOF> Nope, just trolling IRC at 00:30 :P
[13:27] <Saviq> I knew the meeting must be at a nice time for you ;)
[13:49] <Mirv> tsdgeos: if you have time, please try out the Qt 5.5 silo, I may be missing something obvious but currently I can't see why the unity8 is crashing and I get no useful backtrace
[13:50] <tsdgeos> Mirv: it's crashing? damnit :/
[13:51] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yes but it might be something silly too. it's just that there's a month gap after wily that xenial wasn't booting, something has happened during it.
[13:52] <Mirv> the wily PPA was also Qt 5.5.1, so in theory it couldn't be anything changing in Qt
[13:54] <tsdgeos> Mirv: which silo number is it?
[13:55] <Mirv> tsdgeos: 012
[13:58] <Mirv> tsdgeos: aaaaaah. it's so good to ping people! I was about to point out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting and then say "but you don't need to follow it on xenial" ... but, it occured to me I didn't clean QML cache! so all good, feel free to go ahead and test a working xenial + Qt 5.5.1 combo :D
[13:59] <Mirv> it's funny, you never get these great ideas unless you finally do the pinging of someone with "heeeelp"
[13:59] <tsdgeos> he he
[13:59] <tsdgeos> Mirv: xenial is devel-proposed, right?
[14:00] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yes
[14:11] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I think it just might be possible to land Qt 5.5 next week. what do you think? plenty of stuff is broken in xenial, but I don't see anything anymore that would be _more_ broken with Qt 5.5. I'd ask for davmor or someone to test side by side a bit.
[14:12] <tsdgeos> yeah i guess that's part of the problem
[14:13] <tsdgeos> xenial is not really great on the phone so it's hard to say if 5.5 is breaking anything
[14:13] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i guess we're not thinking of updating the Qt on the phone at this stage, right?
[14:13] <tsdgeos> i mean on vivid
[14:13] <tsdgeos> overlay
[14:13] <tsdgeos> stable
[14:13] <tsdgeos> wahtevger D:
[14:13] <Mirv> tsdgeos: if I get to land 5.5 to xenial, I was thinking of providing a PPA for vivid for testing
[14:14] <Mirv> tsdgeos: that'd be unlikely though anyway, but for gathering knowledge
[14:15] <Mirv> tsdgeos: after OTA-9 however maybe possible
[14:16] <Mirv> tsdgeos: but as there's not much to gain as such and a lot of potential to bugs, it's probable it won't ever happen unless there suddenly is a very convincing reason
[14:17] <tsdgeos> sure
[14:17] <Saviq> Mirv, "if... to xenial"? I hope it's "when"?
[14:17] <Mirv> Saviq: sure, sure, when it's perfect :) I don't currently see anything blocking it much anymore, we've a plan at least for everything related like the connectivity-api bearer
[14:19] <Mirv> tsdgeos: Saviq: so I'm planning at least a temporary switch to the generic bearer with 5.5. when experimenting with the QNAM test app, I don't even see much in the way of _better_ behavior when switching between 3G and wifi.. more like hangs with NM bearer, proper functioning with generic..
[14:21] <Mirv> tsdgeos: Saviq: additionally, I don't currently see anything working wrongly regarding audio roles.. multimedia is still played with different volume as system sounds, so it's possible pulseaudio and media-hub don't actually need any changes (and I didn't find direct mentioning of the role names used inside Qt there)
[14:21] <Mirv> those were the couple of uncertain things, although they're slightly uncertain still
[14:21] <tsdgeos> i see
[14:22] <jhodapp> Mirv, did you see my comment added to the bug report on this topic?
[14:23] <Mirv> jhodapp: ah, not yet, now I did. thanks, it's good to know it better even though it seems to function correctly even without changes.
[14:24] <Mirv> jhodapp: I was glancing through the source code and it didn't look it it would rely on Qt using specific role names, but I might be wrong
[14:24] <jhodapp> Mirv, yeah...I want mpt's opinion on the role changes and then we can go through and thoroughly test it watching the media-hub output
[14:25] <jhodapp> Mirv, well the thing is from my memory (I haven't looked in a bit), qtubuntu-media does the enum translation between Qt and media-hub...depending on what mpt says we may just need to update qtubuntu-media, or update that and media-hub
[14:26] <Mirv> jhodapp: ok, that makes sense. we've the qtubuntu-media update already unless it needs some additions. good to have this sorted out this week.
[14:27] <jhodapp> Mirv, indeed and I remember you making those changes to qtubuntu-media...further changes would just be to the name/intrinsic values of the enums that we support
[14:29] <Mirv> ok
[15:18] <popey> mzanetti, Saviq did we fix the thing where the phone gets stuck in landscape on the lock screen, making it impossible to unlock?
[15:18] <popey> (I'm still seeing it on rc-proposed)
[15:18] <mzanetti> hmm... you shouldn't see it any more
[15:18] <popey> it refuses to rotate on the lock screen
[15:19] <popey> wedged on landscape
[15:19] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-24-151916.png
[15:19] <mzanetti> popey, can you repro?
[15:19] <mzanetti> dandrader, ^
[15:19] <popey> lemme try
[15:21] <dandrader> please file a bug
[15:23] <popey> hard to reproduce, but I certainly had it
[15:26] <Saviq> dandrader, popey, wonder if related to bug #1519250
[15:27] <Saviq> popey, can you see if you had 'Binding loop detected for property "orientation"' in your unity8.log?
[15:27] <popey> file:///usr/share/unity8//OrientedShell.qml:27:1: QML OrientedShell: Binding loop detected for property "orientationChangesEnabled"
[15:29] <Saviq> popey, could in theory be related, please include in the bug when you file it, thanks
[15:31] <popey> ok
[17:57] <attente> what would be the best place to add an environment variable that should be available under u8? kind of like an Xsession script?
[18:13] <Saviq> attente, what's the target? the unity8 upstart job defines some env vars, the unity8 touch session some others
[18:14] <attente> Saviq: it's the env var QT_IM_MODULE. right now it's set in /etc/environment by livecd-rootfs
[18:14] <attente> (for ubuntu-touch specifically)
[18:16] <attente> i guess the best place for it is in the u8 upstart job then?
[18:56] <Saviq> attente, yeah, sounds like the unity8 job is the right place
[18:56] <attente> Saviq: ok, i'll propose the change
[18:56] <attente> thanks
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-11-24-#ubuntustudio
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[02:07] <Angretlam> Hello, all.
[18:53] <mehmet> a simple question: since i've always used windows since my first contact with a computer, i don't know how to start the music application(-s) of ubuntu studio. can anyone help me ?
[21:45] <jetamkadlec> hello
[22:25] <ubuntu-studio> hello
[22:27] <ubuntu-studio> guuzs
[22:27] <ubuntu-studio> guys
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.929119
| 2015-11-24T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-us-pa
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[10:12] <rmg51> Morning
[13:18] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples,critters and everything else
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.929663
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"teddy-dbear"
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-news
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[01:09] * pleia2 gets to publishing
[01:09] * Unit193 rechecks.
[01:13] <Unit193> Oh, erm. Yeah it's good.
[01:13] <pleia2> thanks, I think PaulW2U_ fixed all the things :)
[01:15] <Unit193> Yeah, but new ones can crop up. Thanks go to PaulW2U_ for fixing them all the time though!
[01:15] * pleia2 nods
[01:38] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 443 for the week November 16-22, 2015 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue443
[01:44] <tsimonq2> pleia2: was it sent to the mailing lists yet?
[01:44] * tsimonq2 has to forward it on to his LoCo :P
[01:45] <pleia2> tsimonq2: yes
[01:45] <pleia2> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2015-November/000521.html
[01:46] <tsimonq2> oh kewl thanks pleia2
[01:55] <tsimonq2> pleia2: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-us-wisconsin/msg00046.html
[01:56] <pleia2> :)
[01:58] <tsimonq2> hmm, I wonder if there is an automated way to do this...
[01:59] <tsimonq2> I will play with it :D
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"pleia2",
"tsimonq2"
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-gr
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-dk
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[19:10] <_sbc_> AJenbo, Hej Anders. Der er møde i #ubuntu-dk-moede :)
[19:41] <AJenbo> _sbc_: tak, jeg hade stavet det forkert :(
[19:42] <_sbc_> :(
[19:42] <AJenbo> Kom ud på et side spor, lidt udkørt i dag, har været et par hårde uger på arbejde.
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:30.944304
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"AJenbo",
"_sbc_"
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-community-team
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[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[08:44] <czajkowski> goood morning
[08:55] <dholbach> hi czajkowski
[09:00] <czajkowski> dholbach: hello how's things?
[09:00] <dholbach> good good :-)
[09:00] <dholbach> how are you?
[09:01] <czajkowski> good taking thursday and friday off this week as USA are off which means I can enjoy the quite time of no email over loading :)
[09:02] <dholbach> very nice
[09:02] <dholbach> we went to see Fat Freddy's Drop last night with a couple of friends - it was a great concert :)
[09:03] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[09:04] <davidcalle> hey dholbach :) Solved, the main db issue this night with help from #webops, currently deploying
[09:04] <dholbach> woah
[09:04] <dholbach> what was it?
[09:04] <dholbach> great work davidcalle
[09:05] <davidcalle> dholbach, we have a storage volume and with each new deployment, juju attaches the db with this volume. Sometimes, metadata of the volume gets corrupted and juju can't find it.
[09:06] <dholbach> ugh
[09:06] <dholbach> is there a way we can prevent this corruption or do something about it?
[09:06] <dholbach> Or was this old metadata and it won't happen with the new shiny stuff we have now?
[09:07] <dholbach> davidcalle, looks like django cms upstream will very soon release a new major version........... :-)
[09:07] <davidcalle> dholbach, not really, it shouldn't happen, what we can do is detach the volume before each new deployment, but I haven't found clear steps on how to do this
[09:07] <dholbach> ah ok
[09:08] <davidcalle> dholbach, it's really not related to our stack, simply using juju+postgre+storage volumes
[09:08] <davidcalle> dholbach, our Django stack, I mean
[09:08] <dholbach> ok, yep, makes sense
[09:09] <davidcalle> dholbach, hum, no it's failing while doing syncdb : django.db.utils.ProgrammingError: no schema has been selected to create in
[09:09] <davidcalle> dholbach, I need to get some coffee :)
[09:09] <dholbach> more like running a2dissite and a2ensite before and after a deployment (or something)
[09:09] <davidcalle> now*
[09:09] <dholbach> didn't we have the same problem a few days ago?
[09:15] <dholbach> ... at least you said "I need to get some coffee" and not "I need a drink", which in this situation would have been absolutely understandable as well
[09:15] <dholbach> brb
[09:26] <dholbach> ok, looks like they plan to release today
[09:27] <dholbach> so there's probably a bunch more good fixes waiting for us :)
[09:35] <popey> hello!
[09:37] <popey> Who can fix the ubuntu on air calendar? I see a mis-match between the Q&A time today. It says 15:00 UTC but my calendar says 16:00 UTC
[09:53] <dholbach> jose probably
[09:59] <popey> PINGALING JOSE!
[09:59] <popey> :)
[09:59] <popey> dholbach, you and me for Q&A today?
[09:59] <dholbach> sounds good :)
[10:03] <popey> \o/
[10:04] <popey> I'll set it up.
[10:04] <popey> shall we do it at 16:00 UTC or 15:00 UTC dholbach ?
[10:04] <dholbach> 16 would be nice
[10:05] <dholbach> that's the EOD slot it was in before DST changes :)
[10:07] <popey> yeah, will do that
[10:07] <dholbach> awesome
[10:07] <popey> I still don't understand how it moved tbh
[10:07] <popey> oh, it's in jose's calendar, which probably doesn't do DST
[10:08] <dholbach> ah ok
[10:16] <dholbach> I'm going into an early lunch break which will likely consist of yelling at somebody who charged me twice, bbl.
[10:24] <popey> heh
[11:20] <davidcalle> dholbach, solved the db issue. We have a "resetdb" command on the spec that was not doing the right thing (it dropped/recreated the psql db, but forgot to set the right permissions afterwards). New deploy of r145 (the one that we have in prod) with all fingers crossed, then I'll attempt an upgrade...
[11:22] * davidcalle braces for impact
[11:22] <davidcalle> (after lunch!)
[12:11] <popey> dholbach, when you get a moment, I just uploaded a new music app to the store which needs manual review.
[12:12] <czajkowski> popey: is that because your taste in music is bad :p
[12:12] <popey> OUTRAGE!
[12:12] <popey> Yes.
[12:13] <czajkowski> lol
[12:28] <dholbach> davidcalle, brilliant! thanks!
[12:29] <dholbach> popey, will do
[12:32] <popey> thanks
[12:33] <dholbach> done
[12:33] <popey> o\/
[12:33] <popey> er, \o/
[12:33] <popey> :D
[12:47] <dholbach> davidcalle, django cms 3.2 looks nice
[12:55] <davidcalle> dholbach, indeed :)
[12:56] <davidcalle> dholbach, another issue I've just discovered a change to the spec was making it impossible to select the prod branch revno, it was always pulling latest trunk regardless of what I was asking, leading to a lot of confusion (eg. watching some treebeard config log on 1.6)
[12:57] <dholbach> wow, good catch
[13:01] <dholbach> https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/django-cms-update/+merge/278447
[13:48] <davidcalle> dholbach, I'm having some issues with prod revno150 (upgraded from 145). It's deployed, but the experience is not great. Can you poke it (try to create pages, etc.) ? https://developer.staging.ubuntu.com/en/
[13:50] <davidcalle> dholbach, since this is taking some time... maybe we should upgrade to 1.9 directly? At this deployment pace, 1.8 will be deprecated the day it reaches prod :D
[13:50] <dholbach> haha
[13:51] <dholbach> davidcalle, I tried to login, but that didn't seem to work
[13:51] <dholbach> "This page encountered an error, don't worry - we have been notified. Please accept our apologies."
[13:51] <davidcalle> dholbach, hmm, it works for me
[13:52] <dholbach> no, not for me - not even in a private window (without cookies)
[13:52] <dholbach> not with firefox either
[13:57] <dholbach> davidcalle, regarding 1.9 I'm a bit unsure as I saw a bunch of deprecation warnings around 1.9 :)
[13:57] <dholbach> so I'm not sure all the stuff we have will work :)
[13:57] <davidcalle> dholbach, right :)
[14:39] <marcoceppi> dpm: I don't know what you did, but it sounds glorious, wrt ubucon deployment
[14:46] <mhall119> dpm: how did you remove the Site objects?
[14:52] <dpm> morning :)
[14:54] <dpm> marcoceppi, mhall119, I went to the django admin, and I changed the Sites object domain from example.com to ubucon.org, as I've done before in other deployments. I must have not been too attentive and pressed Delete instead of Save, with which obviously it deleted it
[14:54] <marcoceppi> dpm: haha, interesting
[14:54] <dpm> live and learn :)
[14:55] <dpm> marcoceppi, I'm thinking rather than trying to fix it, the easiest thing would be a new deployment?
[14:55] <marcoceppi> dpm: yup
[14:55] <dpm> but as I said, I prefered not to do it untily you guys were up
[14:55] <marcoceppi> dpm: if you want to follow along I can show you in the terminal
[14:55] <dpm> marcoceppi, that'd be awesome
[14:57] <dpm> this is like watching TV
[14:58] <marcoceppi> dpm: could you make your terminal a bit wider?
[14:58] <marcoceppi> thanks
[14:58] <dpm> oh, didn't know it affected everyone else's width too
[14:59] <marcoceppi> dpm: yeah, a bit. tmux will resize to the smallest terminal connected to avoid clipping for that person
[14:59] <dpm> ack
[15:02] <marcoceppi> dpm: that's basically it
[15:02] <marcoceppi> dpm: just wait for ubucon/0 to say "ready"
[15:02] <dpm> excellent, thanks
[15:02] <marcoceppi> dpm: finally, the IP address will show up in the top window
[15:02] <dpm> gotcha
[15:04] <dpm> marcoceppi, so we're all set in terms of hosting too? I.e. do you still need to set up the AWS credentials from one of us, or are you using existing credentials from a Canonical account?
[15:04] <marcoceppi> dpm: I created aws credentials for you, this juju is using them
[15:05] <dpm> marcoceppi, ah, ok. I just thought it'd need me to do some action on my side to enable the credentials. Even better if it's transparent
[15:05] <dpm> or is there anything I need to know wrt those credentials?
[15:08] <marcoceppi> dpm: they're available in ~/.juju/environments.yaml but it's safe to ignore them
[15:08] <dpm> ah, gotcha
[15:08] <marcoceppi> dpm: looks like it's ready
[15:09] <dpm> awesome
[15:09] <marcoceppi> http://52.91.47.21/en/
[15:09] <dpm> marcoceppi, a couple of other questions: if I want to temporarily enable the django debug mode config option: is this possible at run time, or just at deploy time?
[15:09] * dpm starts adding initial content
[15:10] <marcoceppi> dpm: it's a configuration option, but I don't think it works
[15:11] <dpm> marcoceppi, not an issue, I was just wondering why I couldn't make it work
[15:13] <dpm> marcoceppi, also for debugging purposes when working on the site's code, local deployments, etc, it was useful to start/stop gunicorn as it was set up as an upstart job. How can we do that with the new charm?
[15:14] <marcoceppi> dpm: I'll add an action for this, but you can for the time being just run `juju ssh ubucon/0 "sudo service circus restart"`
[15:15] <dpm> marcoceppi, ah, great. I tried all possible things, but didn't know what circus was. That helps!
[15:29] <popey> dholbach, want to pimp us, 30 mins before, now?
[15:33] <dpm> mhall119, call?
[15:33] <mhall119> coming
[15:38] <dholbach> popey, yes, will do
[15:42] <dholbach> done
[15:47] <popey> \o/
[16:00] <dpm> marcoceppi, it seems that on the latest deployment none of the apt-packages in there got installed, without which we cannot upload images. This worked on the deployment you did last week where we uploaded images during the hangout. Any ideas how to debug this?: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubucon-site-developers/ubucon-site/ubucon-layer/view/head:/django.yaml
[16:08] <marcoceppi> dpm: the jusmpstation does not have the deployment
[16:08] <marcoceppi> the deployment is on amazon
[16:08] <marcoceppi> /var/logs/juju doesn't exist
[16:09] <marcoceppi> dpm: try now
[16:09] <dpm> marcoceppi, doh, just realised that, /me facepalms
[16:09] <dpm> thanks
[16:09] <marcoceppi> dpm: the issue was likely permissions
[16:09] <marcoceppi> not missing packages
[16:09] <mhall119> jose: did you get my GSoC notes email?
[16:09] <marcoceppi> dpm: you should bea ble to upload now
[16:09] <dpm> marcoceppi, let me try
[16:10] <dpm> marcoceppi, works perfectly now, thanks
[16:11] <marcoceppi> dpm: I'll fix the base layer
[16:11] <dpm> great, thanks!
[16:11] <mhall119> marcoceppi: what was the cause?
[16:11] <marcoceppi> mhall119: /srv/ubucon was owned by root and not djanog
[16:11] <marcoceppi> django*
[16:11] <mhall119> ah, ok
[16:12] * dpm continues to add content now
[17:26] <dholbach> all rightie... I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[18:00] <jose> mhall119: yes, have them here! thanks!
[18:06] <popey> jose, could you please push the community team Q&A to 16:00 UTC? It's at the wrong time currently (15:00 UTC).
[18:06] <jose> popey: it's been fixed now
[18:06] <popey> ok, thanksQ!
[18:06] <popey> -Q
[19:47] <dpm> mhall119, jcastro, marcoceppi, http://ubucon.org :)
[19:47] <marcoceppi> dpm: sweet!
[19:47] <dpm> thanks so much for help making it possible guys
[19:48] <jcastro> beautiful!
[19:48] <marcoceppi> dpm: I'm going to blog about it if you don't mind (deploying ubucon.org using Django and charms)
[19:48] <mhall119> dpm: \o/
[19:49] <dpm> marcoceppi, absolutely! If you could just wait for tomorrow when we've got more content and we've done the site announcement, then we'll have a bigger reveal effect :)
[19:49] <dpm> I'm going for dinner now, but will be adding some of the content later on
[19:52] <mhall119> dpm: I've uploaded the sponsorship brochure to http://ubucon.org/media/cms_page_media/9/UbuCon_Summit_Sponsorship_Brochure.pdf
[19:52] <mhall119> there's currently a link on http://ubucon.org/en/events/ubucon-summit-us/?edit
[19:53] <mhall119> I wanted to make sure I could easily upload the file
[19:53] <dpm> mhall119, ok, cool, it means I won't have to remember the link, thanks :)
[19:54] <dpm> mhall119, could you follow up with nhaines wrt the meetup registration some time in your day? I pinged him in my afternoon on #ubuntu-locoteams, but he might not have been around yet
[20:01] <mhall119> sure, I'll see if he's available
[20:41] <balloons> jose, did you manage to contact all the flavors?
[21:21] <popey> balloons, jose added tvoss (as per his request) to mentors
[21:27] <balloons> popey, I saw :-) It seems the flavors haven't been asked yet
[21:27] <balloons> I'm happy to send off some emails, just curious
[21:27] <popey> I ased Ubuntu MATE
[21:28] <popey> Martin is considering some tasks, but hasn't committed to be a mentor, I'll keep pushing though :)
[21:28] <popey> *asked
[21:28] <balloons> popey, ;-) I try and remind that they don't have to really mentor the students the same way you'd think of something like GSOC. It's much much more low-key, especially for something like a documentation or outreach task
[21:28] <popey> right
[21:29] <popey> I will impress upon him the lightness of touch :)
[21:29] <balloons> popey, any news from didrocks btw?
[21:29] <popey> Yeah, he's updated the task list, but not complete. Once done I'll get them in the site
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[06:58] <SilverSpace> jutrooo
[07:31] <jelly> jutrofon
[07:44] <hbogner> o/
[07:55] <BotaniCar> Jutro
[07:56] <BotaniCar> 'el zaba tokeni za poslovno e-bankarstvo, i samo poslovno e-bankarstvo , rade s linjarama ?
[08:28] <vileni_> Mmike: hitachi moze, seagate ako nadoplatis
[08:30] <Mmike> vileni_: koji si ti smijesan lik :D
[08:30] <Mmike> vileni_: ok, di/kad hoces da se udruzimo?
[08:31] <Mmike> jelly: ocel' bit jos mandarina?
[08:31] <Mmike> BotaniCar: ne, moras imat poseban driver za tastaturu za te tokene
[08:31] <Mmike> :D
[08:31] <BotaniCar> Mmike: jesi za sexic ? Glupo mi je da se ovak' jebemo :)
[08:32] <BotaniCar> usput 100000 karma pointsa za energiju koju si ulozio u felixa i objasnjavanje zakona o ocuvanju energije :)
[08:56] <hbogner> https://www.jitbit.com/alexblog/249-now-thats-what-i-call-a-hacker/ :D
[08:56] <hbogner> he he he
[08:56] <hbogner> zadnji je najbolji :d
[08:57] <BotaniCar> Kak si znao da bas to imam na ekranu i citam ? :D
[09:00] <hbogner> :D
[09:05] <Mmike> BotaniCar: kuzis ti konja
[09:05] <Mmike> ON STVARA ENERGIJU
[09:05] <Mmike> zakaj citate stvari stare 4-5 dana? :)
[09:05] <BotaniCar> Mmike: fakat ga ne kuzim,ni njega ni bilo kog drugog tko u potpuno krivom kontekstu koristi termin energija :)
[09:05] <Mmike> lol :)
[09:05] <BotaniCar> Mmike: pa, bio je vikend i ponedjeljak kad radim od doma, nisam stigao prije :)
[09:06] * Mmike se opet sjebo, radio sa .hr i sad su mi duzni, al' ovaj put finu paru :/
[09:06] <Mmike> <- konj
[09:06] <BotaniCar> Jesi bar avans ubro ?
[09:06] <BotaniCar> New updates available for host A30.com.com.hr
[09:06] <BotaniCar> postgresql-libs.x86_64 8.4.20-4.el6_7 updates
[09:06] <BotaniCar> kojikurac !
[09:10] <hbogner> Mmike, koaj firma, da je i ostali znaju izbjegavat
[09:10] <hbogner> na facebook wall of shame :d
[09:12] <BotaniCar> Ima i grupa "poslodavci iz pakla" :)
[09:13] <Mmike> hbogner: ma neka, MojTataINJegovaDjeca
[09:14] <jelly> Mmike: jesi kad pokretao ovrsni
[09:15] <Mmike> jelly: ma nisam
[09:15] <Mmike> jelly: al' cu rec apt-get purge openvpn
[09:16] <Mmike> S druge strane, najbolja firma na svijetu (ivoks zna o cem pricam) ne da plati na vrijeme, nego plati par dana prije vremena - uvijek racun izdam NAKON sto primim pare :)
[09:20] <hbogner> Mmike, kad cemo na klopu? i kad cemo server?
[09:20] <Mmike> kad pozoves, osmislis :)
[09:21] <hbogner> klopu mogu tek u popodnevnim satima poslje posla
[09:27] <Mmike> hbogner: jesi clan 'mi vegeterijanci' grupe na FBu?
[09:27] <hbogner> jesam, chus me ubacila
[09:27] <hbogner> aaargh
[09:27] <Mmike> fino :)
[09:27] <Mmike> onda tamo pokreni inicijativu, ja cu te podrzati! :)
[09:28] <hbogner> znas ono kad cjelo jutro radis nesto i onda skuzis da su ti dali krive parametre :(
[09:28] <hbogner> shift+delete
[09:28] <BotaniCar> Err, vi vegetarijanci ? Idem se ranit'
[09:29] <hbogner> BotaniCar, nije napisao puni naziv grupe :d
[09:30] <hbogner> zaboravio je NOT
[09:34] <BotaniCar> PAŽNJA! KOD KOLINDE DOLAZI MASON 33. STUPNJA # brijem da je frajer malo pothladjen :)
[09:37] <jelly> jel to dnevno.hr
[09:43] <BotaniCar> Ne, nasao sam link koji ne zelim dijeliti ovdje, i ovaj maestralan naslov, na stranicama jedne politicke organizacije. Go figure.
[09:43] <BotaniCar> I, kad te pokenja, onda te pokenja : http://blog.vecernji.hr/darko-milosic/masoni-i-ostali-debelo-smo-zaostali-1430
[09:47] <pkiller> BotaniCar: jao kao da David Ickea čitam ...
[09:50] <BotaniCar> Valjda me sad posralo s godisnjom kvotom takvih tekstova, sad sam miran do Bozica 2016 :)
[09:52] <BotaniCar> Ovak' danas tipkam http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--BeUSXIch--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/1531822632284020622.gif
[09:52] <pkiller> to su one stvari... "dobro je dok je rekreativno" :)
[09:53] <jelly> say no more
[09:55] <Mmike> BotaniCar: blokiralo Kelyja?
[09:55] <BotaniCar> Cini se, dodaj si "Igor Heydrich Gregelj"
[09:55] <Mmike> jesam
[09:56] <Mmike> Strasni Grga Is No More
[09:56] <BotaniCar> :(
[09:56] <BotaniCar> Kaj je napravil ? :D
[10:01] <Mmike> kajjaznam
[10:01] <Mmike> valjda FB reko 'ne izmisljaj s imenom' i zalokalo ga
[10:01] <Mmike> tbh, uvikjek su mi isli na zivce ti sto se skrivaju na internetu
[10:01] <Mmike> https://instagram.com/p/9UarvGLNiJ
[10:01] <Mmike> moje mace :)
[10:02] <SilverSpace> dan zajeban
[10:04] <SilverSpace> Mmike: joj i kod tebe balkon zatrpan :)
[10:05] <BotaniCar> +1 za gajbu piva na balkonu
[10:05] <SilverSpace> :)
[10:05] <Mmike> lol :)
[10:05] <Mmike> MACKE GLEDAJTE
[10:05] <Mmike> nesretnici :)
[10:06] <BotaniCar> Time established since power on: 471908 Seconds # zakaj mi to rade ? Netko u reporting odjelu prodaje kalkulatore ?
[10:06] <SilverSpace> i biciklo sad drzi na balkonu :)
[10:06] <BotaniCar> Mmike: kak cesto moras prat' filter klime da ne osjetis dim cigareta ( pusis nekad u kuci, jel ? ) ?
[10:07] <SilverSpace> https://adriaticmedianethr.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/sonjo.jpg
[10:07] <jelly> zar se to ne rijesi pusenjem iskljucivo na balkonu
[10:08] <Mmike> BotaniCar: u biti ne pusim u kuci, pusimo na balkasu. Rietko kad navecer uz serijicu, al' to sad zimi kad klima ne radi. Ljeti klimu jako rijetko palimo, zadnje 2 godine kad su bile ueber-vrucine smo bili na moru (zena bila na porodiljnom, pa prije toga bila trudna, pa tak...)
[10:08] <Mmike> jedini put kad sam morao filtere opako prat je kad si ti, BotaniCar, dosao gledati F1 :)
[10:09] <BotaniCar> Mmike: znaci da mozemo zakljuciti da je filter klime za prat' nakon svake sesije pusenja
[10:10] <Mmike> pa ono
[10:10] <Mmike> sjeti se
[10:10] <Mmike> dosla jasmina u sobu, mi cifutarimo, a veli ona 'kaj vi ne pusite?'
[10:10] <Mmike> sutradan dodjemo s posla, upalimo klimu, i pobjegnemo van, jer je nepodnosljivo smrdilo
[10:10] <SilverSpace> badava ti prat kad se to uvuce u klimu
[10:10] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: samo je jedno pitanje, di se zavuce, da se taj dio opere
[10:11] <Mmike> zavuce se u filter, i to je mehanicko oneciscenje koje mosh isprat mlazom tople vode
[10:11] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: kaj mislis da se ne zaljepi za lopatice
[10:11] <Mmike> ja obicno i kondenzator posprejam s onim ancti-bacteriel, razredjenim
[10:11] <SilverSpace> nije filter svemoguc
[10:11] <Mmike> SilverSpace: lijepi se, al' velika vecina ostane na filteru
[10:11] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: ako je filter dobar oneciscenje same mehanike klime bi moralo biti zanemarivo, ali ne znam, zato i pitam mrleta
[10:13] <SilverSpace> Dinamov golman zaspao na let za London
[10:13] <SilverSpace> lol
[10:17] <BotaniCar> Nek' mu zoki posudi avJon :)
[10:18] <vileni_> Mmike: kad i gdje tebi pase? ja ne mogu nista prije 17:30 + vrijeme do lokacije
[10:23] <SilverSpace> RB bi Hondu
[10:30] <Mmike> vileni_: danas jedino, sutra i na dalje moze ak dodjes do mene, zena ode, ja sam solo doma pazim dete da ne gura cavle u uticnice
[10:30] <Mmike> i za vikend me nema
[10:30] <Mmike> SilverSpace: znas kaj, fakat mi postaje dosadno
[10:30] <Mmike> ono, sjebali su sport
[10:31] <vileni_> Mmike: imam danas sat vremena poslije posla, samo je pitanje gdje ti pase?
[10:34] <SilverSpace> Mmike: da jesu vec par sezona dosad u F1
[10:34] <SilverSpace> ali kaj ces gledat drugo
[10:35] <SilverSpace> mene pere taj dosadni zvuk najvise
[10:35] <SilverSpace> nekad si se bar par puta najezio na zvuk
[10:35] <SilverSpace> danas ni toga nema
[10:37] <SilverSpace> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVZMNGZmGEE
[10:37] <datase> YouTube: BMW Sauber F1 Team Pit Lane Park - Vettel - 0:01:57 - 36597 views - 33 likes / 1 dislikes
[10:38] <SilverSpace> meni je tak zal za BMW Sauberom
[10:52] <BotaniCar> http://files.growery.org/files/g11-44/045207708-Vagina_turns_into_peace_symbol.gif # NSFW, vagina !
[10:56] <Mmike> vileni_: kad je to?
[10:56] <Mmike> SilverSpace: pravila su promijenili, sad auspuh mora bit k'o truba, da se bolje cuje :)
[10:58] <vileni_> Mmike: pa radim do 17:30 :)
[10:58] <SilverSpace> Weber prvak
[11:00] <SilverSpace> http://www.f1puls.com/6900/mark-webber-svjetski-prvak-u-wec-seriji/
[11:02] <Mmike> vileni_: dobro? :)
[11:02] <vileni_> Mmike: pa reci mi gdje ti pase pa ti kazem kad mogu biti :)
[11:04] <Mmike> pa doma su mi diskovi :)
[11:04] <Mmike> znaci mozh nakon posla doc do mene po iste
[11:04] <Mmike> ili se mozemo navecer nac nekud
[11:05] <vileni_> Mmike: jel ima koji hamburger na pola puta? :)
[11:07] <Mmike> pa
[11:07] <Mmike> ima onaj na velesajmu
[11:07] <Mmike> malo je blize tebi, al' zrtvovat cu se :D
[11:07] <vileni_> to bi bilo taman
[11:09] <Mmike> tebi je, like, duplo blize
[11:09] <Mmike> ja imam 9 km, ti 4 :)
[11:10] <vileni_> Mmike: sljedeci tjedan moze bilogdje, ali ovaj mi pase da je blize meni :)
[11:10] <vileni_> mislim, mogu ja pricekati i do vikenda recimo
[11:11] <Mmike> nisam u zg za vikend, u petak idem na brege iza Jastrebarskom
[11:11] <Mmike> nadam se snijegu
[11:11] <Mmike> bar 20cm istog
[11:11] <dodobas> yutro
[11:22] <Mmike> djesi, dodica babica
[11:55] <dodobas> evo me u DisneyLandu ... A
[11:55] <dodobas> AT
[12:30] <ivoks> a jebemtu turke mutave
[12:32] <dodobas> pa 2m je usao s desnim krilom u zracni prostor... sta ti sad hoces ... dobio je sto je zasluzio
[12:34] <ivoks> kreteni
[12:38] <Mmike> lako je vama
[12:38] <Mmike> vas ne jebe mongodb
[12:38] <BotaniCar> koga jebe mongo ? Ili je tu i radi, ili nemas nikakve podatke i skrsen server :) Kaj moze jednostavnije ?
[12:39] <SilverSpace> fuj mango
[12:43] <dodobas> jucer dobio mail... za dodatni projekt iz jednog kolegija... da bi ona koristila MongoDB... dao sam joj Mmiketov broj mobitela, da ga pita zasto treba zaboraviti MongoDB :)
[12:44] <hbogner> :D
[12:45] <SilverSpace> http://i0.wp.com/domidizajn.jutarnji.hr/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/DIY-Christmas-Decorations-5.jpg
[12:48] <ivoks> mene jebe juniper
[12:48] <ivoks> kak cu otici tamo i zatuci neke budale
[12:48] <ivoks> skupa s onim budalama u vmwareu
[12:48] <ivoks> tko god koristi vmware nema pojma koliko los proizvod koristi
[12:48] <ivoks> usrani vswitch nema mac learning
[12:48] <ivoks> halo!
[12:48] <jelly> bwahaha
[12:49] <ivoks> kaj ga nisu nazvali vhub onda
[12:49] <jelly> VDS?
[12:49] <ivoks> vmkurac
[12:49] <ivoks> a kada mu omogucis promisc mode, star se razleti
[12:49] <jelly> mislim, jel koristis VDS ili onaj stari?
[12:49] <ivoks> ne koristim ja
[12:49] <ivoks> samo pomazem jadnicima koji su zapeli na tom smecu
[12:49] <jelly> ne, al ti rantas
[12:50] <jelly> 90% slucajeva kad je neko rantao o vmwaretu ispalo je da ga ne zna koristiti
[12:51] <ivoks> ne, ovo je znan propust
[12:51] <ivoks> i vmware zna za to
[12:51] <ivoks> i imaju plugin koji to rjesava
[12:51] <ivoks> ali ga nisu istestirali do kraja
[12:51] <jelly> al isto kao i svaki drugi proizvod, domain-specific knowledge pomaze... znati sto je pouzdano, a sto treba izbjegavati
[12:51] <ivoks> i znaju da ako se ukljuci workaround (promisc), *znaju* da ce switch dropat pakete
[12:52] <ivoks> *znaju* da na gost sustavima treba iskljuciti LRO
[12:52] <ivoks> mislim... fuck them.
[12:52] <jelly> Meni Radi™
[12:52] <ivoks> radi ti jer ne radis nista komplicirano
[12:52] <ivoks> dizes virtualke
[12:53] <ivoks> slozi bridge u virtualki
[12:53] <ivoks> digni container na tom bridgu
[12:53] <ivoks> ili kvm
[12:53] <jelly> zasto bi slagao bridge u virtualki
[12:53] <ivoks> ah da, ne mozes kvm
[12:53] <ivoks> zato sto ti, npr., treba?
[12:54] <jelly> za sto mi treba a da ga ne mogu napraviti vani?
[12:54] <BotaniCar> jelly: ivoks overengineera nekaj musteriji, pa ti mora reci da ne radis nish komplicirano, inace ces postaviti pitanje poput "zasto bridge u virtualki" :)
[12:54] <ivoks> nemas dovoljno rama/cpua za sve to
[12:54] <SilverSpace> ludih ljudi http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/na-visokoj-stanari-traze-obustavu-radova-hakom-tvrdi-da-tunela-zapravo-nema/858025.aspx
[12:55] <jelly> ono... imam vmware zato da ne moram trosit kvm smetje ;-)
[12:55] <ivoks> imas vmware da mozes raditi ono sto ti vmware da
[12:55] <ivoks> a ne ono sto zelis ili cega se sjetis
[12:56] <ivoks> znas kak konji sa onim 'stitnicima' za oci
[12:56] <ivoks> super trce
[12:56] <jelly> jedino za sto bi mi trebala nested virtualizacija je da hocu juniorima dati lab
[12:56] <ivoks> najbrzi su
[12:56] <ivoks> zakon
[12:56] <ivoks> al ne znaju se sami posrat
[12:56] <jelly> i to je ok, jer mi ne trebaju pizdarije
[12:57] <ivoks> osim toga
[12:57] <ivoks> ovdje opce nije rijec o tebi
[12:57] <jelly> a da mi trebaju i da ne rade, otvorio bi support ticket
[12:57] <ivoks> rijec je o firmi koju boli k i za tebe i iskon i dt i moze vas sve zajedno kupiti
[12:57] <BotaniCar> ivoks: kakva je HP-ova implementacija OpenStacka, 'el valjaju ?
[12:57] <ivoks> ne
[12:57] <BotaniCar> Hvala.
[12:57] <ivoks> sta od HP-a valja?
[12:57] <ivoks> pa firma se raspada
[12:58] <ivoks> cijeli taj tim koji je to napravio su otpustili
[12:58] <ivoks> presmijesna kompanija
[12:58] <ivoks> najneorganiziranije cudo koje sam u zivotu vidio
[12:58] <jelly> ivoks: onda je ta firma dovoljno veliki customer da moze povuci vmware da rijese problem
[12:58] <jelly> mislim
[12:58] <ivoks> ne, pokazali su im srednji prst
[12:58] <ivoks> lakse im je ne zajebavati se s time kad ne trebaju
[12:59] <ivoks> HP je nama platio enorman iznos da im implementiramo rjesenje A
[13:00] <ivoks> a rjesenje A je razvijeno od strane HP-a i oni su upstream
[13:00] <ivoks> kakvi kreteni
[13:00] <ivoks> sjede jedni do drugih
[13:00] <ivoks> a nemaju pojma da su vlasnici tog rjesenja
[13:02] <Mmike> oho, lokalno trovalo danas nudi krvavice! :)
[13:02] <BotaniCar> Lokalno trovalo ?
[13:02] <ivoks> BotaniCar: iskreno mislim da canonical ima najbolji openstack
[13:02] <ivoks> BotaniCar: al fakat, miljama ispred svih
[13:02] <ivoks> od ostalih, mirantis je jedini vrijedan spomena
[13:02] <ivoks> al oni opet koriste ubuntu openstack, samo imaju svoj deployment mehanizam
[13:02] <BotaniCar> ivoks: bilo bi cudno da nemaju. Pitam samo zato sto sam na HPovom portalu drugim poslom i u lice mi iskoci banner da su i oni OpenSDtacklije.
[13:03] <ivoks> jesu
[13:03] <ivoks> i neki super ljudi su iz canonicala otisli u HP raditi upstream development
[13:03] <ivoks> ali niti jedan vise nije u HP-u
[13:03] <ivoks> nisu ni godinu dana ostali tamo
[13:04] <ivoks> imamo ekipu koja je otisla u mirantis, ericsson, cisco...
[13:04] <ivoks> svi do jednog zele natrag
[13:04] <ivoks> jedini koji su otisli i nisu se vratili su oni koji su dobili poslove voditelja implementacije u ne-it firmama
[13:04] <ivoks> dakle, u bankama, telcoima itd
[13:05] <jelly> ivoks: zasto onda mislis da sjede jedni do drugih a da tim koji je razvio A nije ispario iz HP-a po istom principu
[13:05] <ivoks> jelly: zato sto je tim koji je to razvijao bio na CCu
[13:05] <ivoks> ono
[13:05] <ivoks> ekipa koja to razvija je u CCu
[13:05] <ivoks> medjutim, oni trpaju u smece sve sto dodje od tog drugog tima
[13:05] <ivoks> ni ne citaju
[13:05] <ivoks> i kaj da im ja sad velim
[13:06] <ivoks> HP-u novac curi na sve strane
[13:06] <ivoks> i neka se razbiju na vise firmi
[13:06] <jelly> no, lijepo je cut da se nesposobnost skalira i van rvacke :-)
[13:06] <ivoks> cisco mi jos jedini djeluje kompaktno
[13:06] <ivoks> ostali su svi izgubljeni u svojoj velicini
[13:07] <ivoks> proslo je vrijeme hpa, della...
[13:07] <ivoks> emc
[13:07] <ivoks> komedija
[13:07] <ivoks> kako se je EMC dobro izvukao na vrijeme
[13:07] <ivoks> uzeli sto se moze i aj bok
[13:07] <ivoks> dell je kupio tehnologiju koje se svi rjesavaju; emc i vmware
[13:07] <ivoks> ok, ne svi
[13:08] <ivoks> balkan je pravi poligon za takve
[13:08] <ivoks> da, diglo mi zivac
[13:10] <jelly> ne bi se cudio da je neko u vmware donio politicku odluku da nece olaksavati nested vm koji koristi tehnologijama koje vide kao konkurenciju
[13:10] <ivoks> Mmike: da znas sto je mirka danas donijela na posao
[13:10] <ivoks> Mmike: zaljubio bi se u roku keks
[13:11] <jelly> kulen?
[13:11] <ivoks> pfff amater
[13:11] <Mmike> mirka: ?
[13:11] <ivoks> 1kg ciste svinjske masti
[13:11] <ivoks> veli kao 'slucajno'
[13:11] <ivoks> slucajno sam uzlea 1kg masti
[13:12] <jelly> za mazat na kruh sa cesnjakom ili crvenom paprikom
[13:12] <ivoks> ne znam, ali 1/3 vec fali
[13:12] <Mmike> fakat, kaj radite s time? :)
[13:13] <BotaniCar> kak mislis kaj rade, jedu ! :)
[13:13] <BotaniCar> mast i secer <3
[13:13] <jelly> Mmike: masazni stolovi i masaza, valjda
[13:13] <jelly> za direktno upijanje vitamina A i D kroz kozu
[13:13] * BotaniCar place od smijeha, doslovno
[13:13] <Mmike> lol
[13:13] * Mmike jede skroz ok krvavicu
[13:15] <ivoks> i sad mudro suti
[13:16] <ivoks> pravi se da ne vidi
[13:16] <BotaniCar> Nagradno pitanje je: mirka imas Ti toga za daljnju distribuciju, i posto ? :D
[13:16] <jelly> ebenti, taman sam nahvalio kak dobro radi radeon sa free driverima, danas mi se dvaput srusili X-i u roku sat vremena
[13:21] <dodobas> stigo x.org 1.18
[13:21] <Mmike> BotaniCar: dobra!
[13:21] <Mmike> mirka: ?
[13:21] <BotaniCar> A vidis da zove kvartovske mesare i kalkula proviziju
[13:22] <mirka> BotaniCar, hahaha, ne znam kako mi se kila masti nasla u danasnjem gablecu. mozda me mama zeli potkoziti za zimu :'D
[13:23] <BotaniCar> mirka: sasvim je legitimno da, uz posao koji obavljas na radnom mjestu, preprodajes svinjsku mast i cvarke ! :) Nemoj mamu uplitat' :)
[13:23] <mirka> :'D
[13:24] <mirka> stand je iza ureda :D
[13:25] <BotaniCar> Kaj ce ti stand, samo da imas proizvodnju, dobar proizvod, a nije zviska ni dostavno vozilo ( dobro pamtim da si nedavno polozila vozacki ?). Ako je roba dobra, tak' cemo te izreklamirat' da bi ti stand ionako bio prazan ! :)
[13:27] <pkiller> sljedeće godine hrvatski specijalitet: Čvarci u umaku od svinjske masti sa konopljom!
[13:27] <BotaniCar> Ja bi svinje samo marihuanom i kukuruzom hranio, OINK !
[13:27] <pkiller> nsfw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwrlolS_E2E
[13:28] <datase> YouTube: Pervanov Dnevnik-Masna Hrana - 0:04:30 - 40199 views - 190 likes / 1 dislikes
[13:28] <Mmike> https://instagram.com/p/-eAjFQrNlO
[13:28] <pkiller> ja političarima i novinarima
[13:28] <Mmike> fakat dobra krvavica
[13:28] <Mmike> restani krumpir (nije bas restani, al' ajd) - izvrstan
[13:28] <Mmike> kupus - poslovicno kiseo
[13:28] <Mmike> (nikad nisam bio ljubitelj kiselog kupusa, al' fino umiri zeludac)
[13:29] <hrvojem> nisam ni ja, ali ako je u drustvu kobasice i(li) dimljenog neceg fino legne ;)
[13:40] <BotaniCar> Mmike: sad sam tek vidio fotku, jebeno izgleda.
[13:45] <SilverSpace> kaj je sad red klope na redu
[13:49] <BotaniCar> joj, da bar je :)
[13:49] <BotaniCar> Al za istach :)
[13:49] <BotaniCar> Jebenti, nekad mi nedostaju kolinja, nemam vise domacih krvavica :(
[13:51] <SilverSpace> je mi smo svake godine prije dok je stari bio siv uzimali jednog stokilasa i sami pravili
[13:51] <SilverSpace> kod nas se sad svinjetina skoro ni ne jede
[13:52] <SilverSpace> mislim doma
[13:52] <BotaniCar> Mi jedemo, bed je sto nemamo di hranit', a ni ne kolje se nikom bas. Jebi ga, tezak pos'o, hladno :) Svi bi samo jeli
[13:53] <SilverSpace> Želi natrag u Siriju jer je u sobi nije dočekao televizor
[13:53] <SilverSpace> o jebote
[13:54] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: jeftinije kupit kad pozelis i koaj hoces nego ic klat pa se zajebavat
[13:55] <SilverSpace> nije to samo platis prasca i gotovo
[13:56] <SilverSpace> http://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/zanimljivosti/zeli-natrag-u-siriju-jer-je-u-sobi-nije-docekao-televizor---416112.htmlhttp://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/zanimljivosti/zeli-natrag-u-siriju-jer-je-u-sobi-nije-docekao-televizor---416112.htmlhttp://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/zanimljivosti/zeli-natrag-u-siriju-jer-je-u-sobi-nije-docekao-televizor---416112.html
[13:56] <SilverSpace> http://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/zanimljivosti/zeli-natrag-u-siriju-jer-je-u-sobi-nije-docekao-televizor---416112.html
[14:04] <dodobas> oh... pa kako nisam blokirao dnevnik.hr ... samo malo...
[14:09] <Mmike> dodobas: :D
[14:12] <SilverSpace> oh
[14:26] <hbogner> Mmike, koji ti ono monitor imas?
[14:26] <hbogner> dell U nestonesto
[14:26] <BotaniCar> Mislim da svi na kanalu imamo DELLa :)
[14:26] <hbogner> ja imam philips ovdje na poslu
[14:27] <BotaniCar> Papaq :)
[14:28] <hbogner> :P
[14:31] <BotaniCar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYLsbSRN3XY # nikad dva primjerenija izvodjaca nisu pjevala neku pjesmu :)
[14:31] <datase> YouTube: Jasmin Stavros & Mladen Grdović - Alkohol - 0:03:40 - 300927 views - 617 likes / 41 dislikes
[14:39] <Mmike> hrvojem: e, neznam napamet, neki 1920x1200
[14:39] <Mmike> hbogner: kad dodjem doma ti javim
[14:39] <dodobas> Mmike: pa sto nisi uzeo 16/9
[14:40] <Mmike> ako 1920x1200 nije 16/9 onda nisam :)
[14:40] <BotaniCar> kaj to nije 16:10 ?
[14:41] <SilverSpace> 16:10
[14:41] <SilverSpace> dell
[14:41] <dodobas> 16/9 je 1920x1080
[14:41] <BotaniCar> 15:41 ;)
[14:42] <SilverSpace> U2412M
[14:43] <SilverSpace> 1920x1200
[14:44] <Mmike> SilverSpace: e, taj!
[14:44] <Mmike> hbog
[14:44] <Mmike> konj :)
[14:44] <Mmike> dodobas: to je bilo 'zasto nisi' ili?
[14:45] <dodobas> da, zasto nisi uzeo... 'sto nisi uzeo'
[14:46] <BotaniCar> Vise je bolje, tako mi bar supruga kaze
[14:52] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: 16:10 super
[14:56] <BotaniCar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP0NOQWTYh8 #jao ao ao
[14:56] <datase> YouTube: Osmi Putnik - Ulična molitva (1986) full album - 0:35:37 - 13726 views - 54 likes / 1 dislikes
[14:59] <Mmike> dodobas: pa zato kaj je bolje 1200 nego 1080, ne?
[14:59] <Mmike> vise je bolje, veli botanicarova supruga
[14:59] <Mmike> nisam znao da se i ona kuzi u monitore
[14:59] <BotaniCar> Da prostis, ku*ac ona kuzi : )
[15:01] <dodobas> a ne znam, aj mi nadji naki film koji je zakodiran kao 1200p ... a ne 1080p ...
[15:01] <BotaniCar> dodobas: onda je pitanje tvog modela koristenja, a ne koja je rezolucija bolja
[15:01] <dodobas> koliko znam vecina 'sadrzaja' je 16:9... pa cak i 4k ...ima omjer 16:9
[15:02] <dodobas> BotaniCar: bolja? nisam to niti mislio... nego zasto 1200... odnosno 16:10 ... osim ako ti je jako bitno tih 120px ... mozda za alatnu traku ... ili nesto
[15:03] <dodobas> ako stavis fullscreen nece biti full screen
[15:03] <dodobas> pokusavam skziti zasto je tih 120px... pozeljno :)
[15:06] <SilverSpace> dodobas: kaj ti gledas na monitoru film
[15:08] <ivoks> o mutavih li turaka
[15:08] <ivoks> srusili i helikopter
[15:11] <jelly> kad je bal
[15:13] <Mmike> super
[15:13] <Mmike> sad nek utru turke
[15:13] <Mmike> i nek je mir tamo
[15:14] <Mmike> dodobas: na 1200 mi stane oko 10-15 linija teksta vise nego na 1080 :)
[15:14] <Mmike> a za filmove imam telku :)
[15:14] <Mmike> LCD, Sony Bravarija, 1280x768 je reza, milina :)
[15:14] <Mmike> opce ne skidam mega-HD serije/filmove jer nema potrebe :)
[15:15] <jelly> ivoks: nisu turci, > search and rescue helicopter was placed under fire by Syrian rebels
[15:16] <ivoks> jelly: jesu turci
[15:16] <ivoks> citaj ti dalje
[15:16] <jelly> reading is HARD
[15:16] <ivoks> 'syrian rebels' su turkmenci koje naoruzava i obucava turska
[15:20] <jelly> al nisu turci
[15:21] <jelly> samo su affiliate ;-)
[15:23] <dodobas> Mmike: pa postavi monitor u portrait ... znas :) stat ce ti puno vise :)
[16:01] <ivoks> dakle
[16:01] <ivoks> moram priznati
[16:01] <ivoks> double edge razor...
[16:01] <ivoks> svako jutro se brijem, to mi je postao uzitak
[16:02] <ivoks> bas ono, opustanje
[16:02] <ivoks> http://www.amazon.com/Merkur-Heavy-Double-Razor-Included/dp/B000QYEK88
[16:03] <hrvojem> imam istu takvu, samo nisu mi bas merkurovi zileti tako dobri
[16:04] <ivoks> nisu ni meni
[16:04] <ivoks> morao sam u francuskoj uzeti nesto jer sam pretpostavio da me nece pustiti s time na avion
[16:04] <ivoks> pa sam uzeo gillete blue
[16:04] <ivoks> i za sada sam zadovoljan
[16:05] <ivoks> al moram isprobati i druge :)
[16:05] <hrvojem> meni su ovi obicni gillete blue isto ok mislim da je 5 komada jos uvijek ispod 10kn
[16:05] <ivoks> jos kad se s ovim nasapunam
[16:06] <ivoks> http://www.amazon.com/Edwin-Jagger-Badger-Shaving-Imitation/dp/B002QI45Z0
[16:06] <ivoks> da, 5kom je 10kn
[16:06] <ivoks> a traje 3 mjeseca barem
[16:06] <ivoks> a svaki dan se brijem
[16:06] <ivoks> http://www.amazon.com/Taylor-Old-Bond-Street-Sandalwood/dp/B0007MW2ZW
[16:07] <ivoks> a i ovo je zvjer
[16:08] <ivoks> http://www.amazon.com/Edwin-Jagger-Porcelain-Shaving-Handle/dp/B00TQMJNXS
[16:08] <ivoks> bijeli...
[16:08] <hrvojem> eh, ja imam nekog jazavca isto ali nije toliko kostao mozda $15, a niveina krema (u tubi) je sasvim ok
[16:09] <ivoks> je, nije losa
[16:09] <ivoks> al da vidis kako ovo mirisi
[16:09] <ivoks> bez kemikalija...
[16:09] <hrvojem> nda, probam jednom
[16:10] <ivoks> po naftalinu :)
[16:10] <hrvojem> haha
[16:10] <ivoks> Rich woody blend of exotic sweet scented Sandalwood and Cedar
[16:10] <ivoks> bas tak mirisis
[16:10] <ivoks> ko drvosjeca
[16:11] <ivoks> samo sto je 150g, pa ne mozes na avion
[16:11] <ivoks> pa sam i ja uzeo nivea tubu za kad putujem
[16:11] <ivoks> samo sto je to same kemikalije
[16:11] <ivoks> ko onaj gillete gel
[16:13] <hrvojem> si kremu uzimao vani ili ima u ZG za kupit negdje?
[16:13] <ivoks> narucio s amazona sve
[16:13] <ivoks> doslo za dva dana
[16:13] <jelly> ivoks: jos Ralon za after shave :-D
[16:14] <ivoks> ma ne treba
[16:14] <ivoks> ovo tak fino mirisi da bas uzivam uci u kupaonu ujutro
[16:15] <jelly> taj Ralon valjda posotji zadnjih 50 godina
[16:15] <jelly> jugo-klon od svicarskog "Pitralon" veli gugl
[16:15] <ivoks> da
[16:15] <ivoks> imas i sapuna koji postoje vec dugo
[16:16] <jelly> ne sjecam se sa cim se deda brijao :-|
[16:16] <ivoks> arko
[16:16] <ivoks> http://www.amazon.com/Arko-Shaving-Soap-Stick-White/dp/B00997FR44
[16:18] <ivoks> to utrljas direktno na lice
[16:18] <ivoks> veci mi je gust pjenu napraviti u zdjeli
[16:18] <jelly> kak se zove onaj komad... necega kao kristalnog sto zaustavlja krvarenje
[16:20] <ivoks> nema krvarenja
[16:24] <ivoks> https://mpetroff.net/2012/09/kindle-weather-display/
[16:24] <ivoks> jel biste imali ovako nesto na svom ormaru kada se ujutro ustanete?
[16:25] <ivoks> jel bi to bilo korisno?
[16:27] <ivoks> Mmike: ^
[16:33] <jelly> steta kindla?
[16:34] <ivoks> ma opcenito pitam
[16:35] <ivoks> neki display koji bi ti rekao stanje stvari vani, u kuci
[16:35] <ivoks> nego... idem ja doma
[16:35] <ivoks> nemam tu sta vise
[16:35] <ivoks> :)
[16:51] <Mmike> ivoks, pa kajjaznam
[16:51] <Mmike> ivoks, vidio sam to, nekak... nemam pojma
[16:51] <Mmike> imam mobitel pored kreveta, logicnije bi mi bilo da mi je to sve na mobitelu
[16:52] <ivoks> ok
[16:52] <ivoks> znaci, informacije o kuci na telefonu?
[16:52] <ivoks> umjesto na displayu na ormaru
[16:52] <Mmike> pa ono, da
[16:52] <ivoks> ok
[16:52] <Mmike> mislmi, stajaznam :) nisam neki fanatik oko tih stvari
[16:52] <Mmike> al' mi se cini da je prakticnije da mi je na mobitelu to
[16:52] <ivoks> a kakve bi informacije volio vidjeti?
[16:52] <Mmike> eh sad
[16:52] <Mmike> pandorina kutija ;)
[16:53] <Mmike> temperaturu u sobi, van sobe, prognozu, dal' pada kisa/snijeg, i to vec
[16:53] <Mmike> pa onda napredni neki meni s vlagom, tlakom, vjetrom i pizdarijama
[16:53] <Mmike> pa mozda temperature po ostalim djelovima kuce?
[16:53] <Mmike> kad smo vec tu, zakaj ne i home automation?
[16:53] <ivoks> nesto osim vremenskih prilika?
[16:53] <Mmike> pa da mogu iz vana upalit grijanje kad krenem doma
[16:53] <Mmike> ili kad idem na viksu da upalim grijanje dok sam u zagrebu, recimo
[16:54] <Mmike> al' ak je to na mobu k'o aplikacija, trivijalno je dodavati jos stvari gore
[16:54] <ivoks> nesto vezano uz namjestaj?
[16:54] <ivoks> sto te muci inace, a da je vezano uz namjestaj?
[16:54] <jelly> *blink*
[16:54] <ivoks> da, tesko pitanje
[16:54] <Mmike> kak mislis - uz namjestaj?
[16:55] <jelly> senzor za broj cistih pari carapa u ormaru?
[16:55] <ivoks> pa imam firmu koja se bavi proizvodnjom namjestaja
[16:55] <ivoks> pa gledam da to malo aktualiziram
[16:55] <ivoks> trazim ideje i probleme ljudi
[16:55] <Mmike> ClosetsClosetsClosetsClosets :)
[16:55] <ivoks> pa mozda da iznadjem neko rjesenje
[16:55] <jelly> moj problem: skupi i nepouzdani namjestaj-majstori
[16:56] <Mmike> jelly, ikea - rjesenje! :D
[16:56] <ivoks> senzor za broj carapa je tesko za izvesti i neprakticno
[16:56] <ivoks> ikea namjestaj je izrazito los
[16:56] <ivoks> no ono sto je puno bitnije je da je industrijski
[16:56] <jelly> Mmike: ikea nije nista jeftinija ak oces iole kvalitetu
[16:56] <ivoks> ja trazim nove ideje
[16:57] <Mmike> jelly, nista jeftinija od cega?
[16:57] <Mmike> ono kaj imam od ikeje imam godinama i traja
[16:58] <Mmike> ono kaj sam kupio u mercatonetu i inim ducanima se raspadne nakon god-dve-tri-pet
[16:58] <Mmike> imam rkevet, kupio u lesnini, 4 godine, oso
[16:58] <Mmike> imam neki ormar/ladicar, kupio u mercatoneu, 2 godine, i vec mu vrata vise
[16:58] <Mmike> ispala sarka, neda se popravit, tj, morao bih nova vrata kupit a ovi ne prodaju to na djelove
[16:58] <ivoks> hm
[16:58] <Mmike> ikea je jedino - sterilna
[16:58] <ivoks> pa ja ovakve probleme opce nemam
[16:59] <ivoks> doduse, moje sve je custom made
[16:59] <Mmike> al' meni se to dopada - svaki put kad se prosecem ikeom dobijem zelju gradit kucu :)
[16:59] <ivoks> dakle, vise stanje stana nego li nesto s namjestajem
[17:00] <Mmike> a nemam ideju, ivoks
[17:00] <ivoks> sve ok :)
[17:00] <Mmike> daj neku, pa mozda i meni nesh padne na pamet
[17:00] * Mmike ide sastancit
[17:00] <ivoks> moja prva ideja je bila ekran
[17:00] <ivoks> dobijes ormar badava
[17:00] <Mmike> a na ekranu - reklame! :)
[17:00] <ivoks> a na ekranu dobijes neke informacije o kuci i tak to
[17:00] <ivoks> ali i reklame :)
[17:01] <ivoks> i te reklame onda financiraju tekuce odrzavanje ormara
[17:01] <ivoks> dakle, ako se vrata objese, zoves nas i mi to popravimo
[17:01] <ivoks> jer reklame financiraju popravak
[17:18] <jelly> Mmike: od ostalih ducana, lesnina, prima, ovoono
[17:19] <Mmike> ma isti drek
[17:42] <ipozgaj> jutro
[17:56] <vileni_> o ipozgaj
[17:56] <vileni_> Mmike: sta ono rece, 19:15?
[17:58] <hbogner> Mmike, nist od klope ovaj tjedan, ja u petak moram na istok
[17:58] <Mmike> vileni_: da
[17:58] <Mmike> vileni_: aj 19:20, sastanak mi jos traje
[17:58] <Mmike> hbogner: ne trudis se dovoljno :)
[17:58] <hbogner> Mmike, pojest cu ja tamo nesto i za tebe
[17:58] <hbogner> taman idem na jedan dobar rostilj
[18:00] <vileni_> Mmike: lako tebi, nisi ti jeo konzervu tune za rucak >(
[18:00] <ipozgaj> o vileni_
[18:00] <ipozgaj> jos danas i sutra pa 4 dana produzeni vikend wee
[18:00] <Mmike> vileni_: kaj to oce jec? Ne jedemo?! :)
[18:01] <SilverSpace> ivoks: e da nema do brijanja ziletom i najisplativije je
[18:02] <jelly> kak se zapravo veli zilet? :-)
[18:02] <hbogner> ipozgaj, sta neki praznici kod vas?
[18:02] <ipozgaj> thanksgiving
[18:02] <hbogner> ahaaa
[18:02] <Mmike> ja se nemrem brijat ziletom
[18:02] <Mmike> hbogner: taman si oso kad je SilverSpace reko koji monitor :)
[18:03] <SilverSpace> jelly: brizva :)
[18:03] <vileni_> Mmike: pa jedemo, samo neznam kako cu prezivjeti do tada :P
[18:03] <Mmike> vileni_: aha
[18:03] <ipozgaj> Mmike: ja se nikad ne izbrijavam, cak ni dok sam se zenio se nisam haha
[18:03] <hbogner> Mmike, ah, ma nije toliko ni bitno trenutno
[18:03] <ipozgaj> Mmike: trimmer na najkracu mogucu duljinu i s time onda
[18:03] <SilverSpace> U2412M
[18:03] <vileni_> ja sam lijen pa se ne brijem 3-4 tjedna, ali onda je patnja jer nemam trimer
[18:03] <Mmike> ipozgaj: to i ja radim! :) sam kaj ja bez nastavka, pa onda glavu i bradu :)
[18:04] <ipozgaj> vileni_: ja obicno cekam po tjedan dana
[18:04] <Mmike> vileni_: gotovo
[18:04] <Mmike> vileni_: krecem, vidimo se tamo, meni treba 20 minuta
[18:05] <SilverSpace> http://www.connaughtshaving.com/merkur38c.html
[18:05] <hbogner> vileni_, masina za sisanje, ja svoju platio 60 kn
[18:05] <SilverSpace> ja imam ovaj
[18:05] <vileni_> grozno, sad nije ni 19:20 po tome nego :25
[18:06] <vileni_> hbogner: imam i ja, ali neznam koje nastavke imam
[18:06] <hbogner> ja se brijem bez nastavaka
[18:06] <SilverSpace> Mmike: kak se ne mozes brijati ziletom
[18:06] <vileni_> ipozgaj: vjerojatno ti dosta jace raste nego meni onda :)
[18:07] <SilverSpace> tjednu bradu obrijem oviim bez brige skoro ko da je i dnevna
[18:09] <ipozgaj> vileni_: nakon tjedan dana mi je otprilike 3mm
[18:09] <vileni_> meni bi bilo mozda pola od toga
[18:10] <vileni_> ali nije da mi smeta, jer mogu odugovlaciti onda :)
[18:10] <vileni_> odoh na hamburger il' 2
[20:08] <jelly> da menjam psa? http://sebsauvage.net/wiki/doku.php?id=php:zerobin
[20:18] <Mmike> SilverSpace, pa, razreze me cijelog zilet
[20:18] <Mmike> vileni_ je strusio 2 hamburgera sam tak :)
[20:19] <Mmike> jelly, ne, dodaj ovo paralelno
[20:20] <SilverSpace> Mmike: ma kaj te zareze
[20:20] <vileni_> mogao bih jos jedan
[20:20] <SilverSpace> http://www.connaughtshaving.com/merkur38c.html
[20:20] <Mmike> SilverSpace, pa, izljusti me
[20:20] <jelly> Mmike: nema paralelno, samo je jedan /pas
[20:20] <Mmike> SilverSpace, ne brijem se tim drekom nikad, pa nisam navikao
[20:20] <SilverSpace> vjeruj mi nikad se nisam ovim porezao
[20:20] <Mmike> jelly, tja... ne znam sto da ti kazem :) ovo jako zanimljivo zvuci
[20:20] <SilverSpace> ni prvi puta
[20:21] <Mmike> SilverSpace, nisam se nit ja porezao, al' mi cjiela faca krvari
[20:21] <Mmike> od struganja
[20:21] <vileni_> tako i meni zna
[20:21] <Mmike> jednostavno, osjetljiva koza, nenavikla na brijanje
[20:21] <jelly> Mmike: jedino sto radi ruzne linkove
[20:21] <SilverSpace> to da treba samo dobar sapun i nasapunati
[20:22] <Mmike> http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?7027f3094965e763#Bgq42BsV0Af0SDzY4t6h/whdilc6GQpOjaG/UC8nqfs=
[20:22] <Mmike> mnogo ruzne
[20:22] <SilverSpace> ja sam pizdio na sve ove dok nisam kupio merkur38
[20:23] <SilverSpace> i preporodio se
[20:23] <SilverSpace> kao ta je za pocetnike najbolja
[20:23] <Mmike> mlje
[20:23] <Mmike> brijanje je gubljenje vremena
[20:24] <SilverSpace> Mmike: jebga sretan si kaj te zena takvog trpi :)
[20:24] <Mmike> oh
[20:24] <Mmike> da samo znas kak sam sretan
[20:24] <Mmike> ne samo radi brade
[20:24] <Mmike> :)
[20:25] <SilverSpace> imam jednu frendicu kaj ako nisi izbrijan nema u krevet :)
[20:26] <SilverSpace> ja si moram zilete sad narucit
[20:26] <SilverSpace> ovi kaj su dosli uz britvicu bili su odlicni wilkinson nisu losi ali ne traju dugo par brijanja
[20:27] <SilverSpace> ovi uz britvicu trajali su u nedogled
[20:28] <SilverSpace> brijanje je citava nauka kad sam poceo citati po forumima :)
[20:29] <SilverSpace> http://www.connaughtshaving.com/razorblades.html
[20:29] <SilverSpace> zileta ko u prici
[21:55] <Mmike> http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/11/24/creationists-are-flipping-out-over-the-latest-google-doodle/
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[02:52] <daftykins> more idiots tonight
[02:53] <Bashing-om> ignore mode can get engaged mighty quick .
[02:54] <daftykins> :D
[03:11] <daftykins> time to leave the trolls to it i think, later folks o/
[03:13] <Bashing-om> nighty nite daftykins .
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:57] <TJ-> morning :)
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> i hope more barebone companys will rise up
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> so winblows wont be attached to hardware
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> those clevo machines are nice, msi also
[07:06] <TJ-> People for some reason keep letting MS off the hook, but they've never stopped doing what they started in the 1990s: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish"
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> yeah the sheep are so easy
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> i wonder why companys dont bet on more horses then MS?
[07:08] <lotuspsychje> its a good thing your hardware is wanted for multiple Os right?
[07:09] <TJ-> kickbacks
[07:10] <TJ-> Both MS and Intel have a long history of giving 'marketing rebates' to manufacturers for only shipping their stuff. Both Ms and Intel have been found guilty of it and made to pay large fines
[07:10] <TJ-> I find it amazing why so many people still use Windows, on this basis alone:
[07:10] <TJ-> Here, why don't you use this whizz-bang amazing software of mine?
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> lol
[07:11] <TJ-> I don't think so - every month for the last 15 years you've issued security updates to fix vulnerabilities and you've still not fixed it, and meanwhile I hear millions of PCs in the world get infected with malware and become part of bot-nets as a result
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> i think users are trapped in 'a safe feeling' of the known
[07:12] <TJ-> No one in their right mind would still drive an automobile with such a history
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> why goto another Os when you feel safe inside the windows
[07:12] <TJ-> So, I think they get what they deserve
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> its like tradition right
[07:12] <lotuspsychje> a fake safe feeling of the known
[07:13] <TJ-> feel safe... no... too lazy to try something different: yes (comfort zone trumps security)
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> but then you need to know someone who can support you, most users only find the start button
[07:14] <Ben64> can't figure out my partitioning problem :(
[07:14] <TJ-> Most modern Linux don't need support, no more than a similar Windows system
[07:14] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: whats up mate
[07:14] <TJ-> Ben64: we're here to fix it :)
[07:14] <Ben64> I have an external drive, 3TB Seagate. The SATA->USB bit on the bottom broke and can no longer access the drive with USB. I plugged it into SATA and was able to access it, but the partitions are screwed up. Testdisk finds an "Intel" MBR, as opposed to GPT, and so the partition it can recover is limited to 2.2TB of the 3TB. How can I fix this?
[07:15] <TJ-> Ben64: ooo ooo ooo I know! I know!
[07:15] <Ben64> :D
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: can you get further with photorec?
[07:15] <Ben64> well the data all seems to be intact
[07:15] <Ben64> even finds the partition and I can browse it and everything
[07:15] <TJ-> Ben64: the USB bridge was doing logical/physical sector size translation, direct SATA connection isn't
[07:15] <Ben64> TJ-: boo, i was hoping not that
[07:15] <TJ-> so the kernel is now seeing different sector sizes, so the relative LBA addresses are now wrong
[07:16] <TJ-> You're the 2nd person with this issue this week
[07:16] <Ben64> seagate?
[07:16] <TJ-> makes no difference, the original problem was caused by the USB bridge translation
[07:16] <Ben64> hmm.... so how to fix
[07:16] <TJ-> instead of passing through what the drive actually reports, it 'munged' it
[07:17] <TJ-> Ben64: can you show us "parted /dev/sdX unit s print" ?
[07:18] <Ben64> http://sprunge.us/jiVP
[07:18] <Ben64> you can see the 2.2TB it found
[07:19] <TJ-> Ben64: how many partitions are on it?
[07:19] <Ben64> one
[07:21] <TJ-> Ben64: OK... "pastebinit <( dd if=/dev/sda count=16 bs=512 | hexdump -C )"
[07:21] <TJ-> Ben64: this is t identify where the GPT starts
[07:21] <Ben64> bah, living room computer turned off
[07:21] <Ben64> hardly use it, so i have the power saving set to maximum
[07:22] <Ben64> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13489742/
[07:23] <TJ-> Cripes!
[07:23] <Ben64> ?
[07:23] <TJ-> Ben64: I expected to see the GPT header at either offset 512, or 4096, since the logical/physical sizes are those
[07:23] <TJ-> GPT should start in LBA 1
[07:23] <TJ-> We'd best look further!
[07:23] <TJ-> Ben64: "pastebinit <( dd if=/dev/sda count=32 bs=512 | hexdump -C )"
[07:24] <Ben64> i'm not sure gpt exists at all on this
[07:24] <Ben64> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13489753/
[07:24] <TJ-> Ben64: No, not GPT there
[07:25] <Ben64> why is it the same data?
[07:25] <TJ-> Ben64: "losetup /dev/loop1 --offset $( echo 2048*4096 | bc ) /dev/sda" then "blkid /dev/loop1"
[07:26] <Ben64> no output
[07:27] <TJ-> Ben64: OK, "losetup -d /dev/loop1
[07:28] <TJ-> Ben64: "losetup /dev/loop1 --offset $( echo 2048*512 | bc ) /dev/sda" then "blkid /dev/loop1"
[07:28] <TJ-> (we're now trying 512-byte sector sizes)
[07:28] <Ben64> /dev/loop1: LABEL="nessie" UUID="4d2222f6-3b59-4177-a586-2911d65a6ec1" TYPE="ext4"
[07:28] <TJ-> That what you were looking for?
[07:28] <Ben64> yep
[07:29] <TJ-> OK, so what we did there was make the starting offset to partition 1 (which we know from the MBR starts at LBA 2048) different by multiplying the starting LBA by 4096 and 512, to find which was the correct one to use
[07:30] <TJ-> so the USb bridge was using 512<>4096 translation whereas directly on SATA there is no translation
[07:30] <Ben64> thats annoying
[07:31] <TJ-> One of the 2 reasons I don't like USB bridges - the other being I've had several just fail (burn themselves out literally) when used with sustained data transfers
[07:31] <Ben64> yeah i think thats what happened here
[07:31] <TJ-> I prefer to use eSATA, on a laptop via an ExpressCard<>eSATA adapter
[07:31] <Ben64> which is disappointing for a usb3.0 drive
[07:31] <Ben64> think it could handle it
[07:32] <TJ-> I have external cabinets that can do both eSATA and USB, and I use the eSATA always
[07:32] <TJ-> the protocol can, but the chips don't have the cooling needed for sustained high-speed transfer
[07:32] <Ben64> i guess my next drives are internal, and I'll use some old box as NAS
[07:33] <Ben64> so if i get seagate to send me a new usb part, and i run testdisk again, it'll find all 3TB?
[07:33] <TJ-> like I said - eSATA is the way, that also supports external port multipliers. Just ensure the SATA chipset in an ExpressCard is a recent one. older varieties can have disk capacity limitations
[07:34] <TJ-> You've got it all now :)
[07:34] <Ben64> honestly, the drive kind of sucks
[07:34] <Ben64> the sata ports are too recessed, had to trim a cable to get it to fit
[07:34] <Ben64> don't have a esata cable i'm willing to sacrifice for this
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: is there pcie card to esata to use it internal?
[07:36] <Ben64> loop1 7:1 0 2.7T 0 loop
[07:36] <Ben64> :o it is all there
[07:36] <Ben64> /dev/loop1 2.7T 2.6T 17G 100% /mnt
[07:36] <Ben64> :D
[07:37] <lotuspsychje> wb seagate :p
[07:37] <TJ-> If you notice, the ending sector number for partition 1 in the MBR 4294969342 isn't the same as the end of the drive, so that PT is wrong
[07:38] <TJ-> Ben64: which suggests that USB bridge was doing something more than simple LBa translation, it may be actively using its own partitioning system somewhere else on the device
[07:39] <TJ-> Ben64: might be an idea to create another loop device pointing to the sector following partition 1 and see what is there
[07:39] <Ben64> i'll see if seagate wants to send me new bits
[07:40] <Ben64> don't have a free sata on this computer to use
[07:40] <TJ-> Ben64: "losetup /dev/loop2 -o $( echo 512*4294969343 | bc ) /dev/sda"
[07:40] <Ben64> oh, i think thats because of testdisk
[07:41] <TJ-> Oh! you allowed testdisk to write to the disk?
[07:41] <Ben64> it originally had one partiton, around 340GB, unknown filesystem
[07:41] <Ben64> yeah
[07:41] <Ben64> it showed the partition, how many sectors, etc
[07:41] <TJ-> Did you take a back-up of the original MBR before doing that?
[07:41] <Ben64> i did the math and it was the full 3TB, but I forgot about the MBR
[07:41] <Ben64> so it wrote 2.2TB :|
[07:42] <Ben64> uh... nope :S
[07:42] <TJ-> darn! first rule of recovery, *always* take a back-up of anything you change on a live system. The MBR is only 512 bytes :)
[07:43] <Ben64> yeah, i messed up
[07:43] <Ben64> i was just thinking, well it won't delete anything
[07:43] <TJ-> you should be able to re-write that MBR though. delete P1, then create a new one, starting at 2048 and ending at the default (end of disk), set it's type and that should be it
[07:43] <Ben64> i don't think that'd work
[07:44] <TJ-> it'd end at 5860533167 then
[07:44] <Ben64> i bet the 340GB partition was the whole thing
[07:44] <Ben64> and with whatever seagate's sata-usb thing does it works out
[07:44] <TJ-> but we know what you have now, and it's there on /dev/loop1, so you can write a partition entry that matches what is there
[07:45] <TJ-> we know it starts at LBA (sector) 2048, and it uses the entire disk, so there's no risk of losing some later partition
[07:47] <Ben64> well... usb thing is alive
[07:52] <Ben64> [423695.404476] sde: p1 size 34359738360 extends beyond EOD, truncated
[07:55] <TJ-> the partitioner should set it to 5860533167
[07:56] <Ben64> doesn't seem like its letting me write to the disk
[07:56] <TJ-> what error?
[07:56] <TJ-> are you talking about the warning that the kernel's partition table couldn't be updated?
[07:56] <Ben64> Partition: Write Error (from testdisk)
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> cant you scan the whole hd with photorec and recover the data?
[07:57] <TJ-> Ben64: don't use testdisk.
[07:57] <TJ-> just use fdisk
[07:57] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: the data doesn't need recovering, we have it fine
[07:57] <Ben64> lotuspsychje: yes, but the filesystem and everything is fine
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> good job
[07:57] <Ben64> don't really use fdisk a lot
[07:58] <Ben64> TJ-: delete partition, create partition?
[07:58] <TJ-> Ben64: run 'fdisk /dev/sda' ... delete any existing partitions. create a (n)ew, it will likely suggest the default starting sector as 2048, if not, type it, then for the ending sector just press enter to accept the default (will be end of disk), set the type 8e, and then check the table with (p)rint. Then if it looks good, (w)rite it
[07:59] <Ben64> start is at 256 now
[07:59] <TJ-> Ben64: 256 in what units?
[07:59] <Ben64> uh.... sectors?
[08:00] <TJ-> delete anything thats there, create the partition you need using the instructions above ^
[08:01] <Ben64> ooh maybe it does need to be 2048 still
[08:01] <Ben64> using your loop trick, shows up 2048*512
[08:02] <TJ-> yes, it HAS to be 2048
[08:02] <Ben64> First sector (256-732566644, default 256):
[08:02] <TJ-> ahhh, that's because it's looking at the physical sector size 4096
[08:03] <Ben64> oh duh, thats why 2048*512 worked still... because that doesn't care about sectors
[08:03] <TJ-> echo '256*4096; 2048*512' | bc => 1048576
[08:05] <Ben64> created partition, wrote to disk, no error, mounted partition
[08:05] <TJ-> Ben64: if the kernel is using the 4096 byte sectors you can redo the start is 256, or you can pull a neat trick. Create 2 partitions, one starting at 256 and the other at 2048... you have to do that editing manually of course on-disk using 'hexedit' but it's a clever way of being able to access the file-system no matter what translation is operating
[08:05] <TJ-> Ben64: so you now have a working /dev/sda1 ?
[08:05] <Ben64> well its /dev/sde1 over here, but yep :D
[08:05] <Ben64> thanks
[08:06] <Ben64> dunno how the usb part came back to life
[08:06] <Ben64> tried it days later and it still didn't work, now it does
[08:06] <TJ-> bad connection on the cabling/sockets - possibly cracked solder where the sockets are soldered to the PCB
[08:07] <Ben64> so I should still see if it's under warranty
[08:07] <TJ-> I often see that, and just reflow fresh solder/flux on the pins and ensure the socket itself is well soldered down on its lugs
[08:07] <TJ-> OK, well, I have to go out now. Don't go breaking it again :)
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[08:07] <Ben64> i'll try not to write too hard to it anymore
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> i also have a 1TB seagate with double usb ports cable, works like a charm
[08:08] <Ben64> double usb ports?
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> yeah to give it enough power
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> its from few years ago
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> now its all 1 usb cable
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> mine is still split
[09:00] <TJ-> devices are much lower power now, so they don't need more than the 0.5A per USB2 port they could expect
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> hi cfhowlett :p
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/dell-apologizes-for-https-certificate-fiasco-provides-removal-tool/
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> a lot of big companys apologiys recently :p
[10:49] <Ben64> maybe they shouldn't pull dumb crap like that
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> yeah indeed
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> MS forced updates, VW cheating system,...
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> its all going bad :p
[10:54] <TJ-> it's because 'developer' does NOT equal 'engineer' - Engineer implies a professional, with ethics, standards and so forth
[10:55] <TJ-> If bridge Engineers worked the same way software developers did there would be uproar over all the bridge failures
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: you remember how many devs worked on windows7
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> and after a year MS sacced them all
[11:01] <TJ-> I don't recall seeing that
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-08/microsoft-fires-7800-second-biggest-mass-layoff-its-history
[11:09] <TJ-> That's this year, nothing to do with Windows 7
[11:10] <Ben64> Microsoft also announced the reduction of up to 7,800 positions, primarily in the phone business
[11:10] <Ben64> yeah, not windows
[11:10] <cfhowlett> no surprise. hard to get transaction against iPhone
[11:11] <Ben64> iphone?
[11:11] <Ben64> you mean android
[11:11] <cfhowlett> both
[11:12] <Ben64> 82.8% android
[11:12] <Ben64> 13.9% ios
[11:12] <Ben64> 2.6% windows
[11:12] <cfhowlett> eh? that's seems rather high. source for the stats?
[11:12] <Ben64> thought it'd be lower actually
[11:12] <Ben64> thats units shipped 2015 q2
[11:13] <cfhowlett> says who?
[11:13] <Ben64> http://www.idc.com/tracker/showproductinfo.jsp?prod_id=37
[11:16] <TJ-> I'm very surprised MS/Elop weren't charged criminally for the way they destroyed Nokia. Even more amazing is the shareholders sat back and took the destruction of value. From this side of history it looks like MS set out to destroy Nokia, any way they could
[11:17] <Ben64> microsoft was in the business of destroying competition
[11:17] <cfhowlett> was?
[11:18] <TJ-> 1. Get MS executive onto Nokia board. Elop appointed CEO - CHECK. 2. 'pivot' from existing dominance of mobile market into making only MS Windows devices - CHECK. 3. Destroy value of Nokia - CHECK. 4. Buy remains cheaply - CHECK. 5. Fire the remaining inherited staff and close down the business - CHECK
[11:19] <TJ-> One hell of a way to run a railroad!
[11:19] <Ben64> cfhowlett: well they don't seem to be doing it like they were before
[11:21] <TJ-> They're still funding partisan 'industry associations' to attack competitors both politically and legally
[11:22] <TJ-> And providing 'marketing rebates' for Windows-only devices for those manufacturers that toe the line
[11:22] <cfhowlett> and for all that, their phone division is failing.
[11:22] <TJ-> right, both on 'phone and search they really don't understand the market drivers
[11:24] <TJ-> They're used to dictating how users behave I guess, and have problems visualising how to leap-frog what is now the incumbant: Google
[11:24] <Ben64> the only reason people use windows is because its what most people use
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> true
[11:25] <Ben64> they're not used to people having choice
[11:25] <TJ-> we were on about this earlier :)
[11:25] <TJ-> "who in their right mind would choose a product that over 15 years has needed security patches every month?"
[11:25] <Ben64> some people still imagine linux being like the lines of code in the matrix
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:26] <Ben64> i like how they don't even push patches until a certain day
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> neo took over my computer
[11:26] <Ben64> eh whatever, stay vulnerable till next patch wednesday
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> haha
[11:26] <TJ-> I'm glad it does, that way you get an idea what it is doing
[11:27] <Ben64> windows 10 is increasingly scary sounding, so thats good for linux
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> i agree on that Ben64
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> will be good for my ubuntu shop :p
[11:28] <Ben64> you have an ubuntu shop?
[11:28] <cfhowlett> windows has been scary for YEARS and linux is still stickied at ... what? 2 - 4% market penetration? Hell, even OSX has more than that.
[11:29] <Ben64> its scaring more normal people now
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: not yet, next year ill start
[11:29] <Ben64> forced updates, privacy stuff spelled out
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: ubuntu + ssd + tweaked
[11:29] <Ben64> selling ubuntu computers?
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> yes also
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> and phones and tablets
[11:30] <Ben64> do you need to do anything with canonical
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> ill contact them before i start to ask that
[11:30] <Ben64> not sure the licensing stuff for ubuntu
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> but ubuntu is free right
[11:31] <Ben64> "Ubuntu" isn't free
[11:31] <Ben64> Ubuntu is free
[11:31] <Ben64> If I'm remembering properly
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> you mean the name mentioning on someone elses website then
[11:32] <Ben64> I think its like the iceweasel thing
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> i could also mention 'a linux distro'
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: well, you know system76, ill do a bit liek them
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> Ben64:
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> https://system76.com/
[11:33] <Ben64> or just ask permission
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> yes i will contact them
[11:34] <Ben64> "To use the Ubuntu trademark, you must secure the Canonical's OEM services team's permission. You can contact them to see if what you're doing is okay. This should not be too difficult, as several small vendors like System76 and ZaReason have secured an agreement."
[11:34] <Ben64> Sounds pretty easy
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> Ben64: https://system76.com/disclaimer
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> last 3 lines
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> hey EriC^^
[11:49] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[11:49] <EriC^^> what's up?
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> oh nothing much, easy chatting here this morning with the lads here :p
[11:50] <EriC^^> cool
[11:51] <EriC^^> TJ-: yesterday someone was trying to convert his legacy install to uefi, ( booting the usb in uefi mode gave him a grub shell ), i tried to modprobe efivars but grub still couldn't find the efivars
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: Ben64 suggested me to contact canonical for my shop and i found this: https://system76.com/disclaimer
[11:52] <EriC^^> was wondering if there was anything else needed to be done to get grub-efi to install from a legacy booted install, in the end he turned off secure boot and that somehow didn't drop him to a grub shell anymore and he installed in uefi mode ( kind of odd isn't it? )
[11:54] <TJ-> EriC^^: the way I do it is to install grub-efi, but also copy /efi/EFI/grub/grubx64.efi to /efi/EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI ... that is the EFI simple (removable media) boot path the firmware checks on a device you try to boot in EFI mode. That way the system will still be bootable, and once booted in EFI mode, you can redo the "grub-install" which can successfully use efibootmgr to add the Ubuntu boot menu
[11:54] <TJ-> entry
[11:55] <EriC^^> i see
[11:55] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: what does that mean to you?
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: i also have to mention ubuntu's logo etc trademark
[11:56] <EriC^^> TJ-: how come it didn't drop to a grub shell after disabling secure boot? isn't secureboot supposed to not let grub even be loaded in the first place?
[11:56] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: oh ok, that's a good heads up then
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[11:58] <TJ-> EriC^^: if the PC is booting in legacy mode its reading LBA 0 from the boot device. If it starts in EFI mode, and there is no existing boot menu entry, it'll look at the bootable devices for an EFI system partition, and then look for the simple boot path. Without either of those the firmware won't even be able to load GRUB
[12:00] <EriC^^> yeah, he said when he chose UEFI usb in the boot menu it gave him a grub shell, legacy worked though
[12:00] <EriC^^> when he disabled secureboot, he then chose UEFI usb again, and it booted into ubiquity
[12:01] <EriC^^> maybe he had a bad shimx64.efi or something? it's odd no?
[12:03] <TJ-> The grub shell in UEFI mode tells you it loaded /EFI/grub/grubx64.efi - otherwise known as GRUB's core.img
[12:03] <TJ-> So it sounds like GRUB simply couldn't find its root file-system (/boot/) where the grub files are
[12:04] <TJ-> in that case always use "set" to check the values of "root" and "prefix" variables, and then look in the "prefix" location for the grub.cfg and other files/dirs to check the expected files are there
[13:07] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj
[13:08] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: you said yesterday something about nvidia depraced?
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> nouveau or current?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> no more nvidia-current
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: whats the replacement for it?
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> or do users need to specifi nvidia-340 etc
[13:11] <BluesKaj> if one tries to install the driver using nvidia-current, it fails
[13:11] <BluesKaj> yes, specific afaik
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> any reason?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> dunno
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: ok tnx
[13:14] <BluesKaj> the last nvidia-current was the 304 driver
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-current
[13:15] <BluesKaj> which is was used on 13.10 iiirc
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> right
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> !info nvidia-current xenial
[13:21] <BluesKaj> so the 304 driver is the last nvidia-current
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: so users think they gonna get latest and get the 304
[13:23] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> devs know about this?
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> lemme go ask in devel
[13:25] <BluesKaj> dunno , never seen it discussed on #kubuntu-devel, but maybe the devs at #ubuntu-devel have an answer
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: <lotuspsychje> is nvidia-current going to be depraced?
shows still nvidia-graphics-drivers-304
it's already deprecated, as it's just a transitional package
[13:34] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:34] <BluesKaj> thanks
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: it will vanish after 304 is dead
[13:34] <BluesKaj> makes sense
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: and additional drivers section now manages right driver for the system
[13:35] <BluesKaj> yeah in kubuntu it's the driver manager
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> good to know
[13:35] <BluesKaj> yeah, it's important
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> his pc might have autorun worm and error on the stick TJ-
[14:09] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: nah, the while thing has been wiped with the dd of the ISO
[14:10] <TJ-> This is the person that was banned for being a pain not so many weeks ago, in fact, the nickname got notoruious
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> oh
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> cant recall that nick
[14:11] <TJ-> 2015-11-04 18:12:07 TJ- Eh? No - I was commenting on pikapi managing to destroy Ubuntu 3 times a day apparently
[14:11] <TJ-> 2015-11-05 12:54:47 daftykins TJ-: well it's been all go here too ;) pikapi is one of those bad-advice trolls
[14:11] <TJ-> 2015-11-05 12:55:30 TJ- pikapi, the 3-a-day Ubuntu kid?
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> right
[14:13] <TJ-> I think pikapi is one of those people that does all sorts of random stuff 'read on the forums' without any concept of what it does, and then comes here wanting to be dug out of the hole
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> thats not the same as that pikachu guy that gave false advise?
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: the on you tought to have asperger lol
[14:13] <TJ-> Right! that's the one
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> looool
[14:13] <TJ-> I'd forgotten... thankfully :D
[14:14] <TJ-> no wonder its stressing me
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: but ikonia banned that guy
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> i was there
[14:16] <TJ-> ahh, yes, ddaftykins told me about that
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> doesnt make sense, that guy gave false advise was more agressive to other users
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> lol soon we are investigators instead of volunteers :p
[14:21] <TJ-> this is what I mean about him doing random things:
[14:21] <TJ-> 2015-11-03 19:41:16 pikapi i did sudo apt-get remove initramfs-tools and it was uninstalling just about everything
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:22] * TJ- is rolling eyes like bowling balls :)
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> someone has a mental disease :p
[14:24] <TJ-> when you've got users randomly doing things like that there could be any number of things wrong with the system causing knock-on effects - like this booting issue, we still don't know what the PC is I don't think, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn its been 'tuned' and overclocked in the firmware setup
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> true
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> thats why support is so hard
[14:25] <lotuspsychje> never know what the user did really
[14:28] <TJ-> I had a remote ssh session on Sunday, to recover a RAID-1 array on a live virtual machine Xen host that had 'lost' access to a pair of disks after the datacentre remote-hands had killed the power to the server. Took about 3 hours to fix it up whilst the system was live. It made me realise how much better it is to have hands/eyes-on
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: bt you did a great job on my ralink remote :p
[14:30] <TJ-> I did? we did? I don't remember that!
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> stay off the dog food :p
[14:31] <TJ-> oh... you mean that WMP600N PCI ID issue
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> ralink 2800pci
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> yep
[14:31] <TJ-> ahh, see, I don't think of it as ralink at all
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> yeah linksys as main :p
[14:33] <TJ-> My brain remembers visuals and concepts and procedures, but not precise facts - not for long anyhow. I constantly have to 'refresh' by searching for the precise way of doing something. One reason I prefer precise accurate documentation and exact instructions.
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah youre a very practical thinker and i like that
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> bbl driving lessons
[14:51] <EriC^^> TJ-: uefi conversion
[14:51] <EriC^^> robotti says he can't boot in uefi mode on his mac
[14:52] <EriC^^> how do we go about getting grub installed?
[15:02] <EriC^^> TJ-: you there?
[15:45] <TJ-> sorry, was out and about in the fields
[15:50] <EriC^^> TJ-: np, it apparently installed fine
[15:50] <EriC^^> sudo modprobe efivars might have done it
[22:34] <daftykins> on macs it's fine to just install grub to the partition that ubuntu is on; then suggest installing rEFInd as a boot loader
[22:34] <daftykins> amusingly i'm attempting to fix a boot issue on my old HTPC today :D
[22:35] <daftykins> a dist-upgrade murdered a 14.04 install o0 it claims it can't find a UUID at boot but they're all correct, very odd indeed
[22:35] <daftykins> anywho i'm not gonna give up just yet, giving it a look over now via chroot :)
[22:41] <Bashing-om> daftykins: I do not know Macs or rEFInd , not much direct help there .. BUT I do boot an (L)ubuntu install with grub installed onto the partition .
[22:42] <daftykins> oh the mac thing was just a delayed comment to EriC^^ - i was scrolled up a bit by accident
[22:42] <daftykins> my one is a standard PC
[22:43] <EriC^^> try to update-initramfs -u maybe
[22:45] <Bashing-om> :) .. I multi boot 'buntus .. took me weeks of trial and effort and a steep learning curve to be able to boot any I desire, and a update on one not messing up grub on the others .. Hey, I feel good with what I did learn in this endevour .
[22:45] <daftykins> EriC^^: yeah that seems like the ticket now, i had some udevadm errors - wireless keyboard wouldn't call up GRUB so i'm going to do it from live session again :>
[22:46] <daftykins> Bashing-om: sounds good indeed, i don't really know where to start with boot most of the time
[22:46] <daftykins> and i don't know about you guys but i found those boot repair logs a nightmare to read =|
[22:47] <Bashing-om> daftykins: I still get lost with the hooks that are called into the kernel . Not real sure to this time what is taking place in kernel land .
[22:51] <TJ-> :)
[22:51] <daftykins> cat trying to sneak on my lap whilst i'm busy D:
[22:57] <daftykins> ah, i love the native resolution boot logo up on my large TV... shame the nvidia proprietary drivers ruin that
[22:58] <daftykins> not half as much as i love the native resolution TTYs mind ;)
[22:58] <daftykins> ok that's mine all fixed ^_^
[22:59] <TJ-> I've had to fix a GCC 5 induced bug in syslinux that prevents systems booting, and it affects USB startup disk creator and anything else that uses syslinux for boot loader services, in order to build a new plopkexec floppy. Then I had to figure out how to build a kernel small enough to fit on a floppy, and now the resulting darned plopkexec kernel image can't find the plop /init exectuable!
[22:59] <daftykins> >_<!
[23:00] <daftykins> why are we even moving to GCC 5 when it seems to have screwed over so many things?
[23:01] <TJ-> Because it provides some great improvements
[23:01] <daftykins> ah just painful to get there :>
[23:01] <TJ-> the problems were caused by programmers using unsupported functionality, rather than sticking to the standards
[23:01] <daftykins> oh ok sort of like when things become deprecated?
[23:02] <TJ-> not even that... things GCC just happened to do but didn't match the language/POSIX specifications, so when later versions of the compiler are used to build that code, and have tightened up the observence of the rules, things break
[23:05] <daftykins> ah har
[23:05] <daftykins> oh btw guys i read AMD have moved a lot more graphics cards to legacy status now, including some APUs
[23:05] <daftykins> this is mostly for the Windows drivers but i'm sure that'll trickle down into the Linux driver(s) at some point too
[23:06] <TJ-> I'm having to force using gcc 4.8 for this 3.1.4 version that plop uses: "make ARCH=i386 CC=gcc-4.9 bzImage"
[23:06] <TJ-> Yes, they seem to do that very aggressively - not the best way to keep your loyal customers happy
[23:09] <daftykins> http://anandtech.com/show/9815/amd-moves-pre-gcn-gpus-to-legacy
[23:09] <daftykins> here's more
[23:10] <daftykins> so before it was up to and including HD 4000 that was useless on anything newer than 12.04.1; now HD 5000, HD 6000, HD 7000 and HD 7600 are gone
[23:10] <daftykins> also pre-Kaveri APUs
[23:13] <OerHeks> oink
[23:15] <daftykins> o/
[23:18] <TJ-> ahah! The kernel's initramfs/ directory had a symlink to the built version of the /init exectuable I'd built in another location, but the kernel was literally including the symlink, not resolving it to the exe!
[23:19] <TJ-> boots and works in a VM... now to try it again on that obstinate mobo
[23:19] * daftykins sighs at the channel
[23:26] <TJ-> nope, doesn't like the hardware. Grrr, so frustrating!
[23:26] <daftykins> that the embedded one again?
[23:28] <Bashing-om> TJ-: The bright side . Fighting the motherboard . slim chance you will find trouble elsewhere and land in Jail .
[23:29] <daftykins> :D
[23:29] <TJ-> haha! can reproduce it in the VM now... qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu 486 ...
[23:29] <TJ-> So, the compiler is building the /init exe for a later 32-bit CPU
[23:30] <daftykins> easily remedied?
[23:38] <TJ-> yes, alter the compiler options to target the earlier CPU
[23:41] <daftykins> \o/
[23:46] <TJ-> so, it dies in qemu VM with 486 or pentium, but not pentium2. I built the /init exe with gcc -march=c3-2 (which is the specific VIA C3 Samuel 2 CPU on the mobo)
[23:47] <daftykins> oof those little things :)
[23:50] <TJ-> hmmm, it's looking like it's not the /init options so much as the kernel options
[23:54] <Bashing-om> ^^ That ole song " What does it take to keep a kernel like you, Satisfied " .
[23:54] <daftykins> :D
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[00:03] <euckster> Is there a hardware expert who can help me fix my usb flash drive if it is possible? I can't format it. http://pastebin.com/ARmr6LyR
[00:04] <euckster> also the stick is not listed with 'fdisk -l'
[00:06] <MAxou> someone can advice me a good code editor like notepad++ in ubuntu ? I have 2 conditions, color syntax + ftp system like auto upload when save file like nppftp in notepad
[00:07] <bprompt> MAxou: you mean, an editor that can edit ftp server files?
[00:08] <sam_vimes> MAxou gedit, geany or atom.io
[00:08] <MAxou> brompt yes
[00:08] <sam_vimes> just connect a folder to ftp, and any editor works
[00:08] <anheru> MAxou: netbeans
[00:09] <bprompt> hmm
[00:09] <sam_vimes> I use geany on my ftp php server. but yeah netbeans too...but its an ide, not a text editor
[00:09] <bprompt> MAxou: I've used Kate before, but the ftp app provided the session file with autenthication and all, and Kate would edit it, pressking Save or ctrl-s, will send it up the ftp channel
[00:11] <sam_vimes> MAxou, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CurlFtpFS
[00:13] <bprompt> MAxou: but I think that's an ftp client app feature you may be seeking, not an editor's per se, that the ftp client opens the file, authenticates the piping channel, and then an editor picks that up and edits it, keeping a communication open with the ftp client
[00:13] <MAxou> I want same thing than in my notepad++ :/
[00:14] <sam_vimes> MAxou follow my guide, use literarly any editor
[00:14] <glsmaxx> is there a way to just have icons on the window buttons on my panel? is Ubuntu-Mate
[00:14] <bprompt> MAxou: "same thing" meaning?
[00:14] <MAxou> i can see my ftp folder double clik on a file edit it and when i save it it's automatically upload !
[00:14] <bprompt> MAxou: does notepad++ opens the ftp connection to the file?
[00:15] <bprompt> open rather
[00:15] <MAxou> there is a button to connect
[00:15] <MAxou> before I fill the ftp information
[00:15] <sam_vimes> if you mount the ftp folder, you just edit a file, click save and it auto-uploads to the server. You don't even ened to press "upload to ftp", you just follow the guide once. And anything in the folder is auto-uploaded
[00:15] <bprompt> ok...then it does.... possibly a plugin
[00:15] <MAxou> yeah the plugin is nppftp
[00:16] <anheru> I'm looking for help with WiFi problems (14.04 lts, atheros qca9565) script restult: pastebin.ubuntu.com/13482342/ syslogs: pastebin.ubuntu.com/13483294/
[00:16] <MAxou> ok sam
[00:16] <bprompt> sam_vimes: I don't think he/she is hosting the file, just trying to access it for editing as a client
[00:16] <glsmaxx> ?
[00:17] <MAxou> brompt yeah I dont hosting the ftp !
[00:17] <MAxou> it's on my webserver
[00:17] <bprompt> right
[00:17] <sam_vimes> he has a ftp folder, where he edits files, constant access to it would be easier. :)
[00:17] <bprompt> MAxou: as i said.. I"ve done it before, with Kate and an ftp app
[00:17] <MAxou> yeah would be nice
[00:17] <sam_vimes> I've set it up for a few guis for my server, so that they don't mess things up. just open the folder I say and work in it
[00:17] <sam_vimes> *guys
[00:18] <MAxou> same_vimes your way seems nice
[00:20] <MAxou> hell I see your page sam_vimes it's 2 line codes but I can't adapt it to me lol :D
[00:20] <MAxou> USE YOU RBAIN MAXOU !
[00:20] <sam_vimes> the arch wiki?
[00:20] <sam_vimes> CurlFtpFS is in the ubuntu repo too :). just do "apt-get install CurlFtpFS"
[00:21] <sam_vimes> or aptitude, whatever floats your boat.
[00:21] <matthew> Hello
[00:22] <FireBeyond> In Ubuntu 14.04, Intel I350 dual port card, both ports show up with same MAC
[00:22] <bprompt> MAxou: actually, that'd work peachy, and you can run any editor you like =)
[00:23] <Ira_L__> Is there anyone around who has dual booted into a windows 10 machine with uemi?
[00:23] <daftykins> UEFI
[00:23] <Euge> thanks for the help :)
[00:23] <Ira_L__> yws uefi
[00:23] <sam_vimes> yeah, it was smooth. Just remember to install Ubuntu via the UEFI mount, not the legacy.
[00:23] <daftykins> where are you stuck exactly?
[00:24] <daftykins> Ira_L__: ^
[00:24] <Euge> good afternoon ! or morning wherever you guys are :) bye
[00:24] <sam_vimes> (you get both options when you boot from the usb)
[00:24] <Ira_L__> I have an HP ENVY allinone
[00:24] <daftykins> Ira_L__: just the issue on one line would be good
[00:25] <Ira_L__> installs puts up grup boot into windows lose grub on AMI bios boot menu says ubuntu not a valid boot partition
[00:26] <daftykins> nope i didn't understand a word of that
[00:26] <sam_vimes> Ira_L__, if you installed Ubuntu in UEFI mode (super important that you did that) and get that error, try this tool https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[00:26] <sam_vimes> it can be installed on the ubuntu live USB
[00:27] <monkeywithamohaw> ubuntu server 14.04(noob)(installed tomcat 7.0.52 using apt-get)(package created tomcat7 user) how can I login as tomcat7 with ssh? (currently not allowed for some reason)... I've been banging my head against the google wall for over an hour... Would anyone be able to help me?
[00:28] <daftykins> monkeywithamohaw: what do you hope to achieve SSHingin as that user?
[00:28] <MAxou> sam_vimes : Error connecting to ftp
[00:29] <monkeywithamohaw> I can use winscp to move files into the webapp directory
[00:29] <monkeywithamohaw> without changing file permissions
[00:29] <daftykins> monkeywithamohaw: create a group, add your user and tomcat7 to that group, own the path as user:group ; then any files you put in will work fine
[00:30] <sam_vimes> MAxou, you sure you followed the guide correctly? and gave yourself access rights?
[00:30] <sam_vimes> your error seems to be with FPT username, link og password. not setup. (seems)
[00:31] <orangerobot> does anyone know of a way to install qt3 on ubuntu 14?
[00:31] <drakon-mrt> hi
[00:31] <MAxou> I try just Mount FTP folder as normal user
[00:31] <MAxou> should i do it as root ?
[00:32] <daftykins> no
[00:32] <maxtimbo> I cannot, for the life of me, seem to get rid of a certain ppa: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ferramroberto/java/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/binary-i386/Packages
[00:32] <maxtimbo> I have tried ppa-purge and removing it from software & updates gui
[00:32] <sam_vimes> never, ever mount FTP as root MAxou
[00:33] <monkeywithamohaw> I have a user done that but as I am copying files from another server some of the subdirectories gave group only read permission(for security) there are 1000s of file and 100s of subfolders from legacy
[00:33] <daftykins> or use FTP in 2015 *cough*
[00:33] <MAxou> ok so I do well
[00:34] <user> test
[00:34] <MAxou> mkdir ~/my-server
[00:34] <MAxou> curlftpfs -o ssl,utf8 ftp://login:[email protected]/ ~/my-server
[00:34] <monkeywithamohaw> I am not sure about why this was done this way by other admin who setup original file structures
[00:35] <Bashing-om> MAxou: Yep .. that is a fact .. that repo for wily does not exist .. see: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ferramroberto/java/ubuntu/dists/ .
[00:36] <daftykins> monkeywithamohaw: so scp the files over as another user, move them into place, then chown them - the permissions will be retained, only ownership needs to move
[00:36] <monkeywithamohaw> I would just add write to all subfolders... but then not sure if I'm going to mess something up when I remove the g-w from all subfolders if this would cause an issue
[00:36] <daftykins> so why not test...
[00:36] <daftykins> everything can be undone
[00:37] <MAxou> Bashing-om dont understand sorry
[00:38] <Bashing-om> MAxou: Sorry .. mistab .. should not have highlighted you .. apology in order .
[00:38] <Bashing-om> maxtimbo: Yep .. that is a fact .. that repo for wily does not exist .. see: http://ppa.launchpad.net/ferramroberto/java/ubuntu/dists/ .
[00:39] <maxtimbo> Bashing-om, ok, how do I remove the ppa
[00:40] <MAxou> np
[00:41] <Bashing-om> maxtimbo: There is no current supported release " 21-May-2011 08:06 " I am hesitant to say a means .
[00:41] <bazhang> !ppa-purge
[00:41] <maxtimbo> bazhang, tried that already
[00:41] <OsmiumTrees> I'm trying to dual boot windows 7 with linux mint 17.2. It looks like windows is using 3 partitions. one for the OS, one for recovery, and a ~40mb one that is flagged as "diag". It looks like linux requires 4 partitions. GParted won't let me create more than 4 primary partitions. Can/should I make 4 logical partitions for linux on an extended partition?
[00:42] <bazhang> OsmiumTrees, ask mintsupport then
[00:42] <OsmiumTrees> will do
[00:42] <bazhang> they are on spotchat irc
[00:43] <bprompt> OsmiumTrees: on a bios-mbr formatted hdd, 4 primary partitions, is all you get, or you could do 3 primaries and 1 extended with a bunch of logicals, thus, so you could just hose one partition for the other installation
[00:44] <monkeywithamohaw> daftykins:Thank you for your suggestions! is tomcat7 user created this way to meet a bestpractice security guidline?
[00:44] <MAxou> sam_vimes ok I find a way more easy ^^ in Nautilus File/connect to a server :D
[00:45] <bprompt> MAxou: yet another easier way, driver over to the file server location, and do it right there :D!!! maybe not
[00:46] <sam_vimes> good MAxou , you can certanly use nautiluses. But it won't stay on after reboot and is slightly slower. if you want it to stay there you can map the ftp folder in nautilus and put it in favorites
[00:46] <sam_vimes> I don't use nautilus, mine can't do that ):
[00:46] <sam_vimes> or ..just add it to bookmarks I think works
[00:48] <Bashing-om> maxtimbo: Maybe and only as a maybe ' sudo add-apt-repository -r ppa:ferramroberto/java ' or somewhat similar (???) .
[00:48] <maxtimbo> Bashing-om, tried that also
[00:49] <clupus> Hello guys. I'm using Xubuntu and I want to install the gnome interface. Which package should I install ? gnome-desktop ? gnome-shell ?
[00:49] <bazhang> gnome-shell for that, unity for the gnome3 unity shell
[00:50] <MAxou> I need to add the folder in favorite because when i reboot he will disapear ?
[00:50] <bazhang> ubuntu-desktop will bring unity
[00:51] <bprompt> maxtimbo: well, just hop over to /etc/apt and check there where it's at, and remove it :), will be either in sources.list.d as a file, or in sources.list file and you can remove its entry from there
[00:54] <maxtimbo> bprompt, thats what i'm doing now. they are staying persistant after sudo rm command
[00:55] <daftykins> monkeywithamohaw: you'd have to ask a tomcat channel that one i think :) i've no idea
[00:59] <maxtimbo> bprompt, Bashing-om , bazhang I got the ppas removed by: cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d then sudo rm -i "ppa"
[00:59] <maxtimbo> thanks for the help
[01:00] <maxtimbo> been bugging me for a while now
[01:06] <the_count> Bashing-om: Booted up 15.10; multitouch features worked fine but the mouse cursor was unstable as it was in 3.13, so I'll need to research into seeign weather that is something which can be easily fixed
[01:07] <Bashing-om> the_count: :(
[01:09] <the_count> Bashing-om: So, my best guess is that something in updating the kernel messes things up... Not altogether sure though, hopefully they have this worked out by now
[01:11] <HadesWatch3r1> I can install Ubuntu 15.10 from the live DVD, even use the live dvd ... but after install and reboot I get Ignoring BGRT: invalid status 0 (expected 1)
[01:11] <HadesWatch3r1> and I am unable to get past it.
[01:15] <RaizQuadrada> hey guys
[01:15] <HadesWatch3r1> Hello.
[01:20] <B4sh> Anyone know how to enable zip on VPS I'm getting this Error: slider_export.txt does not exist!
[01:25] <puff> I have a thinkpad t520 with ubuntu 14.04 LTS. I've installed skype from the canonical partners repo, the audio works but my built-in webcam doesn't. Any clues?
[01:32] <Ira_> Did I understand correctly that when installing ubuntu dual boot (grub2) in windows 10 with boot repair I should leave UEFI on?????
[01:36] <Nick714> Hello, so I am trying to setup internet on my Ubuntu Server via command line. So I know my internet card works and is all setup, I am just having issues connecting to my internet.
[01:36] <Ira_> Is there anyone who has dual booted with windows 10 and ubuntu and boot repair around>?
[01:36] <Nick714> I am following this post, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=571188. And when i do "dhclient wlan0" it just has a blinking underscore and does nothing. Anyone know whats wrong please?
[01:37] <daftykins> Nick714: sounds like it's not even associated with the AP
[01:37] <daftykins> maybe give yourself an easy time by using nm-cli
[01:39] <Nick714> daftykins: Oh hey :). Okay, I saw that somewhere. I figured I would try it the regular way first (because Im lazy to plug in ethernet hah) so after I stall it do you know the command to join internet or a post exaplning it?
[01:39] <Nick714> I still have to sudo install network-manager for it which requires ethernet
[01:39] <Ira_> @daftykins did you say I should leave uefi on>>???
[01:41] <daftykins> Nick714: no, i've never been as masochistic as to do CLI wireless
[01:41] <daftykins> Ira_: you have to if your Windows installation was done using EFI
[01:41] <Nick714> Ok thanks I will try to figure it out using network-manager
[01:42] <daftykins> well, nm-cli ;)
[01:42] <Ira_> ok thanks
[01:42] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[01:43] <OerHeks> and more fun https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConfigurationCommandLine/Automatic#Configure_your_wireless_interface
[01:49] <grandy> hello, struggling to install ubuntu via UEFI on a skylake Z170 motherboard... freezes a bit into the boot of the try ubuntu load
[01:50] <grandy> anyone have advice or know of a trick to get it to load/boot properly? previously using no usbperipherals made it sometimes work.
[01:50] <grandy> but that was the H110 motherboard I returned, thinking the Z170 would have better support... but I might just be doing something stupid...
[01:50] <grandy> trying to install 15.10
[01:50] <grandy> 64 bit
[01:51] <daftykins> check for the latest BIOS
[01:51] <daftykins> you're an early adopter, so you get to experience all the issues :)
[01:55] <grandy> daftykins: i hadn't realized how new it was :(
[01:55] <grandy> daftykins: it's weird that it won't even boot, the stuff i read when googling indicated that all but the odd sound driver works fine
[01:57] <daftykins> grandy: i take it this flash drive works fine elsewhere? on another system?
[01:58] <grandy> daftykins: yes, the 14 lts version i installed first does, i'd installed several other older systems with it
[01:58] <grandy> trying 15.10 for the first time on the new hardware, but 99% sure the drive and iso load are fine
[01:58] <daftykins> i really mean the downloaded 15.10 that's on it, can you boot on another system to be 100%?
[01:58] <seg> what's the name of that really keen mechanism that ubuntu/xubuntu use to handle the prtscrn button for screenshots?
[01:59] <seg> the one with the fancy upload options and the screen that pops up in response to the keypress
[02:00] <oozo> alt+1
[02:00] <daftykins> someone mentioned 'greenshot' the other day
[02:01] <seg> daftykins, that's not it, but that's a pretty cool tool. it lets you grab areas of your workspace easy it looks like.
[02:01] <daftykins> i know you were after something else, i just remembered that
[02:01] <seg> hm, i'll look through the repos. Thanks for showing me that though daftykins .
[02:04] <seg> ah, the one I was thinking of is actually xubuntu exclusive, xfce4-screenshooter in the xfce4-goodies package. Thanks for the help.
[02:04] <allcode> hi dedim
[02:04] <daftykins> grandy: so, you checked you're on the latest BIOS?
[02:05] <daftykins> grandy: what i would do, is install from the mini.iso of 15.10 then try putting a newer kernel on - from !mainline - then install the desktop afterwards
[02:06] <owen1> /CLOSE
[02:10] <B4sh> anyone know how i can go about installing "ZipArchive extension is not enabled."
[02:12] <daftykins> B4sh: can you give us a clue about what you're trying to do?
[02:12] <B4sh> I'm trying to import revolutionary sliders
[02:12] <B4sh> and i get that error
[02:13] <daftykins> i have no idea what that even is
[02:13] <B4sh> its a plugin for wp
[02:13] <daftykins> wordpress? ok
[02:13] <daftykins> so you're trying to unzip the plugin zip via SSH?
[02:13] <daftykins> just use "unzip"
[02:14] <B4sh> apt-get install unzip
[02:14] <B4sh> Reading package lists... Done
[02:14] <B4sh> already did still get the error
[02:14] <daftykins> what are you typing specifically?
[02:14] <B4sh> for when
[02:16] <daftykins> B4sh: to unzip the zip archive...
[02:16] <B4sh> I'm installing it on the dashboard of wordpress
[02:16] <B4sh> using that interface to upload the zip
[02:16] <B4sh> and get returned with that error
[02:17] <daftykins> B4sh: ok, so nothing to do with ubuntu then... check the zip is ok, then maybe just upload it via SCP instead
[02:17] <Opcode90> Hi, im working on trying to get sound to work in ubuntu new install in vmware
[02:18] <Opcode90> might need some help soon but let ya know if your up to it
[02:24] <Opcode90> Ok, for starters i have a unique situation with sound, my onboard sound stopped working
[02:24] <Opcode90> so now i use an extern tiny little usb plugin that seems to do great
[02:25] <Opcode90> and my vmware see is, but hear nothing yet
[02:25] <Opcode90> now
[02:25] <Opcode90> Im brand new to ubuntu
[02:25] <Opcode90> but i popped this command in
[02:26] <Opcode90> sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade; sudo apt-get install pavucontrol linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils lightdm ubuntu-desktop linux-image-`uname -r` libasound2; sudo apt-get -y --reinstall install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils lightdm ubuntu-desktop linux-image-`uname -r` libasound2; killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.pulse*; ubuntu-support-status; sudo usermod -aG `cat
[02:26] <Opcode90> /etc/group | grep -e '^pulse:' -e '^audio:' -e '^pulse-access:' -e '^pulse-rt:' -e '^video:' | awk -F: '{print $1}' | tr '\n' ',' | sed 's:,$::g'` `whoami`
[02:26] <Opcode90> and.....................
[02:26] <Opcode90> its like doing a million things updates or something
[02:26] <seg> Opcode90, did you do the whole vmware extras rigamarole for usb2.0 support?
[02:27] <daftykins> USB 2 hassles sounds more like virtualbox
[02:27] <Opcode90> Usb works, And Cd works
[02:27] <seg> woops your right, I confused thw two. carry on!
[02:27] <adri_> hi
[02:27] <adri_> Hi
[02:27] <Opcode90> I own Vmware Workstation 12 Pro, i bought for 249 bux, but serves many purposes for me
[02:28] <Opcode90> including learning Ubuntu and Debian
[02:28] <kleesiger> Opcode90: sounds good
[02:28] <Opcode90> can you guys read that command up there and tell me what you think it might be doing
[02:28] <somsip> Opcode90: if you are learning, don't go copying and pasting long, complicated commands that you do not understand
[02:29] <somsip> Opcode90: break it down into single commands and try to understand them that way
[02:29] <Opcode90> well it is vmware,i can reinstall it not hurt anything
[02:29] <somsip> Opcode90: it's not the best approach to learning - simple as that
[02:29] <Opcode90> takes about 15 mins i can start over
[02:29] <Opcode90> you are right
[02:30] <austinprog> Hello, I am experiencing a problem with my audio. I am getting no sound from anything on the computer. However, when I do the sound test for my headphones I get sound back. But when I unplug it and do a sound test, nothing. Also, even with the headphones on I get no sound from youtube or anything. I have no idea waht I did, sound was working fine for the most part of today.
[02:30] <daftykins> Opcode90: sounds like you need to discover snapshots ;)
[02:31] <Opcode90> snapshots in vmware? or in ubuntu, snapshots take a pic of a working install like a backup right
[02:31] <daftykins> vmware. yes.
[02:32] <Opcode90> i just installed it so to experimental to snapshot yet
[02:32] <Opcode90> not to mention i had to mound my cd drive?
[02:32] <daftykins> sorry that sentence doesn't make sense
[02:32] <Opcode90> that was weird for me and a cd definatly has to be in the drive to do it
[02:33] <daftykins> no idea what you'd be using optical media for
[02:33] <Opcode90> mound = mount
[02:33] <Opcode90> you are saying that with ubuntu very little comes on optical media?
[02:34] <Opcode90> still i wanted access to all my peripherals, cd, usb, sound
[02:34] <Opcode90> later printer but least on the list
[02:34] <kleesiger> Opcode90: printer ahhh
[02:35] <Opcode90> I gotta tell ya all that sudo apt-get wowow
[02:35] <Opcode90> no navigating sites to find what ya need so much
[02:36] <Opcode90> i love it already
[02:36] <kleesiger> Hardware can be pain sometimes
[02:36] <gzcwnk> anybody suggest a synthetic disk io generator?
[02:37] <Opcode90> forgive me if i sound stupid because i am you might say its my first day for real.
[02:37] <kleesiger> Any other distros Opcode90
[02:38] <Bashing-om> Opcode90: It's that orange glow , welcome to open source .. we all had it .
You heard me nigger
[02:38] <grandy> daftykins: going to verify the bios version on this mobo
[02:38] <gzcwnk> taht isnt very nice
[02:38] <Opcode90> just the lastest one I got straight from the Official Site x86 but i am going to install the x64
[02:38] <Opcode90> next
[02:38] <grandy> daftykins: didn't realize there was a mini iso...
[02:38] <kleesiger> Synthetic disk. What
[02:38] <daftykins> !mini | grandy sure is
[02:39] <grandy> ahh
[02:39] <kleesiger> gzcwnk:
[02:39] <gzcwnk> i really object to anyone calling someone a nigger kleesiger
[02:39] <daftykins> grandy: it'll let you install CLI only
[02:39] <grandy> daftykins: ahh ok
[02:39] <daftykins> i don't think it supports EFI installs though, hmm
[02:39] <Opcode90> Ive downloaded both the x86 and the x64
[02:39] <daftykins> you might have to do server
[02:40] <gzcwnk> or a coon
[02:40] <grandy> daftykins: ahh, do you think server is more likely to support uefi and skylake?
[02:40] <Opcode90> Both are about the same size 1 gig
[02:41] <Opcode90> I refuse Racism period.
[02:41] <daftykins> grandy: actually, lets back up further - did you get far enough to install or does it die too quick?
[02:41] <daftykins> Opcode90: that's off topic, no random chat in here thanks
Okay calm down you coon
What's you people wanna be called today by us whites
[02:41] <Opcode90> must be someone you have on ignore
[02:41] <daftykins> !ops
[02:42] <grandy> daftykins: it doesn't get to the beginning of the install, it doesn't fully boot linux at all, just shows the graphical splash screen then switches back to text mode and then soon dies
[02:42] <Opcode90> ill stay on topic
[02:42] <MrCeeIII> how do you search for other channels?
[02:42] <grandy> daftykins: going to try one more boot real quick
[02:42] <daftykins> !alis | MrCeeIII ask in #freenode in future please
[02:42] <gzcwnk> i asked an honest q
[02:42] <MrCeeIII> join #freenode
[02:42] <Opcode90> but yes both distrubutions x86 and x64 which they call AMD64 are almost excactly the same 1 gig size
[02:42] <MrCeeIII> how?
[02:42] <daftykins> grandy: ok, yeah install server so it's pure CLI then you can install desktop after
[02:43] <gzcwnk> huh?
[02:43] <daftykins> MrCeeIII: you need a leading / for commands
[02:45] <Opcode90> what surprises me and this is off topic is that the offical debian is about 280 mbs, but on torrent its 3 full dvd's almost 4 gig in size eac
[02:45] <genii> gzcwnk: If you have an issue with another user, do not paste the contents of conversations into this channel. Come instead to #ubuntu-ops and report it so action may be taken
[02:45] <daftykins> Opcode90: take it to #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[02:45] <daftykins> Opcode90: and obviously, because it comes with more software that way
[02:45] <Opcode90> im hear to ask for audio help with ubuntu
[02:46] <Opcode90> please people stop telling me im in the wrong place.
[02:46] <Opcode90> i know where I'm at
[02:46] <gzcwnk> ah ok
[02:46] <gzcwnk> i didnt know that
[02:46] <daftykins> Opcode90: i'm talking about the irrelevant debian comments, THOSE are off topic.
[02:47] <gzcwnk> sorry
[02:47] <daftykins> gzcwnk: your username is not Opcode90...
[02:47] <Opcode90> so not a single phrase or word off topic
[02:47] <daftykins> Opcode90: spend less time fighting channel rules and more being patient for assistance / asking appropriate questions :)
[02:48] <Opcode90> i mentioned it because someone else mentioned there was a mini ubuntu size
[02:48] <Opcode90> to me it was relevant to the convo
[02:48] <Opcode90> sorry if it didnt fit your ego
[02:49] <blazeme8> what’s the proper terminology for things like /dev/sda, /dev/sdb1, etc? “drive devices”?
[02:49] <daftykins> Opcode90: there is nothing personal here, it's just a support channel is all - please realise that.
[02:49] <daftykins> no need to get all offensive :)
[02:49] <daftykins> blazeme8: block devices
[02:49] <blazeme8> daftykins: that’s it! thanks :)
[02:50] <Bashing-om> blazeme8: sd - Serial Device as sda =a is the 1st device recognized, sda1 where the 1 is the 1st partition sdb3 is the 3rd partition on the 2nd hard drive .
[02:50] <Opcode90> best not to say anything at all until theres specific ubuntu question
[02:51] <blazeme8> Hmmm. Good answer too Bashing-om, thanks :)
[02:51] <Opcode90> thats my take on most freenode rooms
[02:52] <austinprog> Sound still not working red light on headphone jack?
[02:54] <deskwizard> Good evening!
[02:54] <deskwizard> I have a question for you guys... I bet one of you can point me in the right direction
[02:55] <genii> !details | deskwizard
[02:55] <deskwizard> basically, I get a kernel panic on boot if my raid card is plugged in on 15.10.
[02:56] <deskwizard> all goes well if it is not, all is well on 14.04 and 15.04
[02:56] <daftykins> LTS sounds good :)
[02:56] <deskwizard> so that let me to believe its related to a kernel version > 4
[02:56] <daftykins> compare the modules in use perhaps
[02:57] <deskwizard> my question is, where do I report this for having it taken care of for 16.04 :P
[02:57] <daftykins> !bug
[02:57] <daftykins> you're going to need a lot more specific info than that though
[02:58] <daftykins> bear in mind 14.04 is still good 'til 2019, so unless you're a dev chasing software versions - bigger numbers don't always mean better
[02:58] <deskwizard> 2019 uh...
[02:58] <deskwizard> well, I guess that's one thing solved lol
[02:59] <genii> Sounds like some driver for your raid card may not be loaded in the initrd of 15.10
[02:59] <deskwizard> genii, actually I think the issue is when they load
[02:59] <deskwizard> cause its clearly 'megasas' causing the kernel panic
[02:59] <deskwizard> well. as far as i can tell
[03:00] <rachel_> hello
[03:01] <deskwizard> genii, not having the module loaded would just not make it work, correct? or can it cause IRC issues?
[03:01] <deskwizard> ....
[03:01] <deskwizard> IRQ issues for the computer
[03:01] <deskwizard> im the one with irc issues
[03:01] <Hatsune_Miku> hi
[03:01] <deskwizard> Hi
[03:01] <Hatsune_Miku> whats up
[03:02] <Hatsune_Miku> your not a bot right
[03:02] <deskwizard> Well, I don't think so
[03:02] <Hatsune_Miku> just checking
[03:02] <deskwizard> doesnt help does it :P
[03:02] <deskwizard> lol
[03:02] <daftykins> Hatsune_Miku: do you have an Ubuntu suppoer question?
[03:02] <daftykins> support too
[03:02] <Hatsune_Miku> no
[03:02] <daftykins> !ot
[03:02] <deskwizard> nah i'm not, not sure how helpful I can be though :P
[03:03] <Hatsune_Miku> i can try to help people with ubunto
[03:03] <Hatsune_Miku> tu
[03:04] <Hatsune_Miku> i take it you must use linux
[03:04] <Hatsune_Miku> deskwizard
[03:04] <Hatsune_Miku> you there
[03:04] <deskwizard> yep
[03:04] <Hatsune_Miku> thx
[03:04] <Hatsune_Miku> you must use linux
[03:04] <Hatsune_Miku> ?
[03:04] <deskwizard> yes I Do
[03:04] <Hatsune_Miku> cool
[03:04] <Hatsune_Miku> just got linux today to program on
[03:05] <daftykins> Hatsune_Miku: take the chat to -offtopic please
[03:05] <Hatsune_Miku> deskwizard we need to move to offtopic
[03:06] <deskwizard> daftykins, that bug report filing, how can I know what package name to use ?
[03:06] <daftykins> deskwizard: well you'd need more info, but likely you'll want to file against linux-generic - i don't really know
[03:06] <Hatsune_Miku> whats the question i zoned out
[03:07] <deskwizard> daftykins, alright, I was wondering if the drivers had like a kernel-drivers package or something
[03:07] <MrCeeIII> how can i get WoW to work better on ubuntu
[03:07] <deskwizard> thanks for your help
[03:07] <Hatsune_Miku> hmm
[03:07] <Hatsune_Miku> did you try to add more ram?
[03:07] <Hatsune_Miku> XD
[03:07] <MrCeeIII> no...
[03:07] <Opcode90> funny thing is, most solutions i find are from google, and all i get from rooms like this and any other vmware room is flack
[03:07] <MrCeeIII> mother board can only support 4 gigs
[03:08] <Opcode90> id be bettr off without chat
[03:08] <Hatsune_Miku> you must have four gigs in there than?
[03:08] <MrCeeIII> i have 4 but my ubuntu only reckos 3
[03:08] <daftykins> sounds like you installed 32-bit on a 64-bit PC
[03:08] <Hatsune_Miku> thats weird, are you running a 32 bit version of unix
[03:09] <daftykins> this is not unix.
[03:09] <Hatsune_Miku> sorry wrong name
[03:09] <Hatsune_Miku> thats what we call it at my house
[03:09] <Hatsune_Miku> i know its wrong
[03:09] <Opcode90> I've personaly installed 32 and 64 versions of evry MS OS, and the same with linux
[03:09] <MrCeeIII> no it came with 32 bit windows i loaded 64 bit
[03:09] <MrCeeIII> Ubuntu
[03:09] <Hatsune_Miku> ok
[03:10] <MrCeeIII> but still does not reco the 4 gigs
[03:10] <Hatsune_Miku> i wonder why it only sees 3 gigs in the computer
[03:10] <Hatsune_Miku> what chips do you have it is 2gigX2?
[03:10] <daftykins> sounds like onboard graphics taking some, or a misunderstanding.
[03:10] <MrCeeIII> i am on a gateway p-6831fx
[03:10] <Hatsune_Miku> ok
[03:10] <Opcode90> 32 Bit Ubuntu cant read past 8 gigs
[03:10] <Opcode90> the minimum is 512mb
[03:10] <somsip> !pae
[03:10] <daftykins> Hatsune_Miku: please don't try to help when you don't understand.
[03:10] <MrCeeIII> it has a nvidia 8800 i think
[03:11] <MrCeeIII> gtx 8800
[03:11] <Opcode90> the recommended is 1024mb
[03:11] <Hatsune_Miku> but this person does not have 8gigs they have 4 and it shows 3
[03:12] <Opcode90> IF a PC came with 32 bit Windows, you sure it has a 64 bit processor?
[03:12] <Hatsune_Miku> why would it come with 32 bit windows why would it have a X64 based processor
[03:13] <Hatsune_Miku> dang this keyboard sucks
[03:13] <Opcode90> exactly and why would you try to put AMD64 ubuntu on a that
[03:13] <MrCeeIII> not sure if it has a 64 bit processor
[03:13] <Opcode90> AMD64 Ubuntu means Inetle 65 to
[03:13] <Hatsune_Miku> case in point if it is a 32 bit processor dont load X64 bit
[03:13] <Opcode90> 64 rather
[03:14] <somsip> Hatsune_Miku: cat /proc/cpuinfo and check
[03:14] <Opcode90> If your PC came with a 32 Bit Windows Operating System
[03:14] <MrCeeIII> how can i tell if the processor is 32/64 bit?
[03:14] <Opcode90> ya check tht out
[03:14] <somsip> MrCeeIII: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' in a terminal
[03:15] <Hatsune_Miku> it does not make sense for them to load 32 bit windows and put a 64 bit processor, it is most likely 32 bit
[03:15] <somsip> Hatsune_Miku: it does not make sense to debate it when it can easily be checked
[03:16] <Hatsune_Miku> what did it report 64 or 32 bit?
[03:16] <MrCeeIII> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13487531/
[03:16] <somsip> MrCeeIII: 64bit http://ark.intel.com/products/30787/Intel-Core2-Duo-Processor-T5450-2M-Cache-1_66-GHz-667-MHz-FSB
[03:16] <Hatsune_Miku> so it is a 64 bit processor
[03:17] <Hatsune_Miku> somsip: hello
[03:17] <somsip> !pm | Hatsune_Miku (yes, it is)
[03:18] <Opcode90> as a side note anyonen have a good mp3player get command for me
[03:18] <Opcode90> to test sound with
[03:18] <Hatsune_Miku> sorry dont know anything about that
[03:18] <somsip> !info asound | Opcode90 (as simple as they get)
[03:19] <somsip> !find asound
[03:19] <Opcode90> or a simple way to configure sound in ubunta
[03:19] <Hatsune_Miku> i will keep that in mind to help someone else
[03:19] <MrCeeIII> see cant go with what they loaded
[03:19] <somsip> Opcode90: asound is usefl for simple testing
[03:19] <Opcode90> ty ill lookk up asound
[03:19] <Hatsune_Miku> what is the command to launch terminal, forgot
[03:19] <MrCeeIII> i love linux
[03:20] <Hatsune_Miku> so do I
[03:20] <MrCeeIII> there is a command for everything...
[03:20] <Hatsune_Miku> thats the truth
[03:21] <MrCeeIII> ok so back to the drawing board... 64 bit ubuntu only recos 3 gigs... anyone?
[03:21] <Hatsune_Miku> could a file for recognition be corrupt?
[03:21] <somsip> MrCeeIII: paste the output of free -h
[03:22] <MrCeeIII> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13487691/
[03:22] <Hatsune_Miku> tried that command just noticed my computer is doing the same thing only recognizing 3 gigs i am 64 bit please help.
[03:23] <MrCeeIII> do you think reseating?
[03:23] <somsip> MrCeeIII: and paste uname -a
[03:24] <MrCeeIII> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13487725/
[03:26] <somsip> MrCeeIII: you may need to run a memtest to make sure it's not hardware then
[03:26] <KaosCreator> 1
[03:26] <MrCeeIII> somsip: how too?
[03:26] <somsip> !memtest | MrCeeIII
[03:26] <Hatsune_Miku> yea i have a computer with 4 gigs and 64 bit only reading 3 please help me
[03:27] <MrCeeIII> command not found
[03:27] <Hatsune_Miku> just checked
[03:27] <somsip> !testing | MrCeeIII
[03:27] <MrCeeIII> somsip: (!memtest) ?
[03:28] <somsip> MrCeeIII: use the packages memtest86+ (for emory, can be started from the !GRUB boot menu
[03:28] <MrCeeIII> ok you lost me
[03:28] <MrCeeIII> download memtest from the software center?
[03:28] <somsip> MrCeeIII: reboot, at the grub menu select memtest instead of booting into Ubuntu
[03:28] <MrCeeIII> i dont get a grub menu
[03:29] <Hatsune_Miku> is it autoboot?
[03:29] <MrCeeIII> are you talking bios
[03:29] <Hatsune_Miku> no
[03:29] <Hatsune_Miku> its a menu that comes up when you boot up the computer
[03:29] <Hatsune_Miku> gives you options to do certain things
[03:29] <MrCeeIII> i dont get a menu it boots to ubuntu
[03:30] <Hatsune_Miku> i wonder if its autoboot
[03:30] <Hatsune_Miku> anyone?
[03:30] <MrCeeIII> i can get into the bios
[03:30] <somsip> MrCeeIII: http://askubuntu.com/questions/16042/how-to-get-to-the-grub-menu-at-boot-time
[03:30] <MrCeeIII> ok thanks all
[03:30] <Hatsune_Miku> your welcome
[03:32] <Hatsune_Miku> gotta go, bye everyone
[03:35] <AnakinSky> hello guys :)
[03:46] <poCS> nobody chat?
[03:46] <nuser> helloo
[03:46] <poCS> just go in and out?
[03:46] <poCS> oh hello
[03:47] <MAxou> my ubuntu just crash ..
[03:47] <nuser> Ive never used irc befor so just trying things out
[03:47] <poCS> im new to irc, and im now confused
[03:48] <Opcode90> GOd only knows what ive done to my install, im starting over
[03:48] <somsip> !ot | nuser poCS
[03:48] <MAxou> i lunch a reboot of my ubuntu desktop and now i have a blackscreen with General error mounting filesystems and nothing else since 5 min.. should i restart the computer manually ?
[03:50] <Bashing-om> !sysrq | MAxou
[03:50] <poCS> ubottu: roger that
[03:51] <poCS> !guidelines
[03:52] <AfterDarkness> hello, my media key's vol-up/down and mute stopped working after restarting pulseaudio
[03:52] <AfterDarkness> how do i fix that without restarting my pc?
[03:54] <Opcode90> Vmware has several options that must work in tandom with Ubuntu, one i didnt try was Realteak vitural Sound
[03:54] <Opcode90> may still ask for help with usb audio drivers later but doing a fresh install
[03:56] <Opcode90> i would try to be friendly and make small talk but i always get ostricized for for that
[03:57] <Opcode90> brb, ill find a side channel to bs in
[03:57] <Opcode90> so i wont interupt you guys
[03:58] <Opcode90> i do thank you for your help and patience
[04:38] <subzero> Does whole disk encryption affect the way the whole system works once logged in? I notice if I pause or stop something such as a download than try to resume it shows activity but no transfer. I also am very new so no sure if I even have the basics installed that I should have. But I had tried full disk encrypt and without before. And the way the system works seems confusing and different.
[04:39] <subzero> Can anybody let me know if there is something I can run to make sure everything is okay. And that all necessary and suggested apps or installed?
[04:42] <LinuxNoob> Anybody on Ubuntu 15.10 ?
[04:49] <bocephus_> any of you guys able to point me in the right direction for my virtual box not having the "Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908
[04:50] <bocephus_> wants me to run this but not sure where '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'
[04:50] <bocephus_> says the directory does not exist
[04:51] <SeriouslyLaugh> bocephus_ this sounds familiar, i had the same issue a few days back
[04:51] <SeriouslyLaugh> did you download the file from the website or via apt-get
[04:53] <bocephus_> I got the virtual box from the software center and downloaded the .iso from microsoft
[04:53] <SeriouslyLaugh> ok try downloading the file directly from the virtualbox website instead
[04:53] <bocephus_> im trying a quick RnR with virtual box
[04:53] <SeriouslyLaugh> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[04:53] <OerHeks> http://askubuntu.com/questions/41118/virtualbox-kernel-driver-not-installed
[04:54] <SeriouslyLaugh> i recall trying to download and install manually and having OK success with that
[04:54] <bocephus_> yep thats it.
[04:54] <SeriouslyLaugh> are you familiar with how to install a deb file?
[04:55] <bocephus_> yea i probally needed to run that apt-get install dkms
[04:55] <bocephus_> to install a deb file. Mostly yes but not hugely expereienced.
[04:55] <SeriouslyLaugh> yeah try that first -- sudo apt-get install virtualbox-dkms
[04:55] <the_count> Bashing-om: How large of partitions do you maintain for your four backup linux installations, or what would be reccomended if say, i were to do it
[04:56] <SeriouslyLaugh> if that doesn't work, download the .deb for your system and run sudo dpkg -i *** where the *** is the file name
[04:56] <bocephus_> cool thanks man. I will give it a shot.
[04:56] <SeriouslyLaugh> for example sudo dpkg -i ~/Downloads/virtualbox-5.0_5.0.10-104061~Ubuntu~precise_i386.deb
[04:56] <junobi> Hi
[04:57] <SeriouslyLaugh> note you may get errors bocephus_ -- if that happens, you must run sudo apt-get -f install
[04:57] <bocephus_> okay.
[04:57] <bocephus_> thanks again for all your wisedom
[04:58] <SeriouslyLaugh> good luck, report back with questions
[04:58] <OerHeks> good start https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[04:58] <SeriouslyLaugh> to find your ubuntu version, run lsb_release -a
[04:58] <bocephus_> will do.
[04:58] <OerHeks> but for that microsoft iso, join #virtualbox or ##windows
[04:59] <OerHeks> :-D
[05:15] <gzcwnk> :D
[05:26] <vetch> I'm looking to use ubuntu on a thumbdrive as a OS and I'm wondering if anyone has done this as a permenant computer solution and if anyone has any advice....
[05:27] <SeriouslyLaugh> vetch check this out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence
[05:28] <SeriouslyLaugh> vetch this too https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[05:28] <vetch> I have a set up of it going now (i'm on it right now) but it keeps prompting me to install it is there an advantage to this?
[05:29] <SeriouslyLaugh> i've not done this personally but I think you'll need two drives
[05:29] <SeriouslyLaugh> one live and one portable to install onto
[05:29] <SeriouslyLaugh> http://askubuntu.com/questions/397481/how-to-make-a-persistent-live-ubuntu-usb-with-more-than-4gb
[05:29] <SeriouslyLaugh> i may be wrong
[05:30] <vetch> right now I have it going on a 16gb usb2 I'm planning on going with a much larger drive and usb 3 right now I'm kinda in alpha test. I'm also brand new to unix
[05:31] <SeriouslyLaugh> alternatively you could dual boot, if you aren't ready to overwrite your current OS
[05:31] <SeriouslyLaugh> so when you power on your computer it'll ask you which operating system you would like to boot into each time
[05:31] <vetch> what I have is a work computer that is heavily locked down with "big brother" software. I'm looking for a way around that
[05:32] <vetch> I travel for work and can't even get on facebook with the current set up and can't do a dual boot and don't want two computers
[05:32] <SeriouslyLaugh> yeah you could theoretically boot from a USB each time, into a 'personal' area
[05:32] <SeriouslyLaugh> depending on how the hardware is configured
[05:32] <gzcwnk> you could use a raspberry pi
[05:33] <gzcwnk> Id have a raspberry pi at home and ssh to it and vnc tunnel it back
[05:33] <gzcwnk> so then boot off a usb key
[05:34] <SeriouslyLaugh> vetch check out this tutorial: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[05:34] <SeriouslyLaugh> "f you use utilities like Unetbootin to create your Ubuntu installation media, you can also set a certain amount of “persistent” storage space. This will allow you to install extra applications and save some files that will remain whenever you reboot the system or use a different computer."
[05:34] <SeriouslyLaugh> "Another option is to make your installation media on a different drive, and then install Ubuntu normally as you would on one of your computer’s hard drives. However, instead of choosing one of those hard drives, you choose your USB flash drive instead as the installation destination."
[05:35] <vetch> yeah that sounds logical and then I can move up in size and go to usb3
[05:36] <TJ-> vetch: there are 2 methods: 1) install to the USB device just like to any fixed disk, or 2) create a 'split' install which partitions the device, puts the Live ISO image in 1 partition and has a persistent copy-on-write partition too, so any changes made are kept. I'd recommend (1) rather than (2) *unless* you also want to be able to install Ubuntu to other computers as well as having the persistent element
[05:37] <TJ-> vetch: With (2) also remember it is the 'Live ISO' environment, so the running root file-system is completely contained in RAM, so for PCs with limited RAM it can be restrictive.
[05:38] <vetch> thanks TJ 1 sounds like the way I want to go. I already have a set up like 2 on the 16gb with 4 gigs dedicated to the persistent element. What I'm looking for is a totaly "normal" os just run off a thumbdrive and portable
[05:38] <vetch> I've noticed some slow speed loads with libre office applications
[05:39] <TJ-> vetch: yeah, I prefer (1) and if you do want to have it possible to boot that with a Live ISO installer image you can simply install and use the package grub-imageboot
[05:39] <TJ-> !info grub-imageboot | vetch
[05:40] <TJ-> vetch: USB2 is definitely going to feel slow, relative to {SS,HD}D devices
[05:41] <vetch> yeah but so far I'm really happy with it. I've been meaning to mess around with unix for years and I'm amazed at how fast it installed and even on usb2 how fast it boots
[05:41] <vetch> an entire os with an office package is less then 6 gigs
[05:41] <gzcwnk> yep
[05:42] <gzcwnk> put it on a raspberry pi, then all you need is a tv
[05:42] <SeriouslyLaugh> vetch and remember there are a billion different distributions for you to try. some will be faster or lighter than others.
[05:44] <vetch> well I picked ubuntu basicly at random but I'm happy with it so far
[05:45] <TJ-> A RasPi with a 105mm LCD touch panel and the entire thing is self-contained
[05:57] <kikero> Hey!\
[05:57] <kikero> I've tried running Android's avd emulator and then I tried running Genymotion.
[05:58] <kikero> I get the following error messages when trying to run both of them: "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." and "Failed to obtain GLES 1.x extensions string!"
[05:58] <kikero> Any suggestion on how to fix this? :-)
[05:58] <kikero> this is 14.04 lts
[05:58] <kikero> thanks!
[05:58] <ompal99> command to check if remote machine is virtual or physical?
[06:03] <maxtimbo> I'm working on a real duesy. could use any help if anyone knows anything about it. Installing (reinstalling) printer drivers for lbp6030 Canon printer. What I've found so far: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1315665&page=4
[06:05] <subzero> Whats the best way to start learning command line with ubuntu?
[06:06] <maxtimbo> subzero, there are tons of bash tutorials out there
[06:07] <TJ-> subzero: "man bash" to get to know the shell's power
[06:07] <maxtimbo> you could also learn more by reading the man pages
[06:07] <subzero> Perfect, thats what I needed. Never even heard of that ty.
[06:08] <OerHeks> maxtimbo, that lbp6030 is not in the openprinting database http://www.openprinting.org/printers/manufacturer/Canon/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CanonCaptDrv190
[06:10] <maxtimbo> OerHeks, yeah I know. you have to use the canon proprietary drivers. The issue is that the amd64 build has i386 dependencies
[06:10] <dimitry7> }guys, from this command 0 5 28 * 1-6 /bin/command
[06:10] <dimitry7> it means if 28 falls on sunday, it won't be executed??
[06:11] <TJ-> maxtimbo: which release are you trying to build for?
[06:11] <maxtimbo> ubuntu 15.10 64bit, TJ-
[06:13] <TJ-> maxtimbo: you're trying it with v2.70 ?
[06:14] <maxtimbo> I'm using the latest release from cannon - v3.30, i believe
[06:15] <TJ-> maxtimbo: hmmm, where's the link for that? The latest CAPT I see is V2.70 dated 2015-09-04
[06:15] <ZcY> How to hide IP
[06:15] <TJ-> ZcY: disconnect from the Internet
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:16] <maxtimbo> TJ-, https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/printers/laser-single-function/imageclass/lbp6030w/!ut/p/z1/hY_dCoJAEEafpQeQGbS2vPSn0HALLWzbm9hCtwXbRK2gp2-NbiKquRu-M8z5gAMDrsVVSdGpsxaV2bec7GgaTaI4wGQ5s6fo0XWeUCd2MCOw-QdwE-OX8RDmT-DHvTGwGxpQCbwW3dFSujwDqxulu6JpgVWiLRqrVVpWhVVe9KE3B6ZOQhYHE_bIvibo4M3I8vd3mLlj9EhIInfhY5yOPoDcHxrADQPHnvXKL-BHo_rE7olXrmI5GDwAcr-MzA!!/dz/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/
[06:16] <ZcY> how to hide IP here
[06:16] <TJ-> ZcY: or do you mean not have it show here on IRC? In which case ask in the channel #freenode for a 'cloak'
[06:16] <lotuspsychje> ZcY: tor,proxy,socks,vpn
[06:16] <maxtimbo> ugh. sorry for the messy link
[06:16] <ZcY> yes
[06:17] <ZcY> do not show here on IRC
[06:17] <ZcY> i don't know how to do
[06:18] <maxtimbo> it says 1.2 on the website but the dl is 3.3
[06:18] <maxtimbo> gah what mess
[06:18] <TJ-> maxtimbo: you're looking under the 'Drivers' red tab?
[06:19] <TJ-> maxtimbo: the one I found is at http://support-au.canon.com.au/contents/AU/EN/0100459602.html
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> ZcY: type /join #freenode and ask wjat TJ- suggested
[06:20] <maxtimbo> TJ-, I think I found the right instructions. http://askubuntu.com/questions/251015/installing-canon-color-imageclass-mf8380cdw-drivers-in-ubuntu-12-10
[06:21] <ZcY> lotuspsychje thank you
[06:23] <TJ-> maxtimbo: the UFR file contains "64-bit_Driver/Debian/" directory with .deb files in it; have you installed those?
[06:23] <TJ-> maxtimbo: as in: "cndrvcups-common_3.30-1_amd64.deb cndrvcups-ufr2lt-us_1.20-1_amd64.deb"
[06:23] <maxtimbo> TJ-, ooooh yeah
[06:24] <maxtimbo> TJ-, been there done that.
[06:24] <maxtimbo> to no avail
[06:24] <TJ-> maxtimbo: do the packages install?
[06:24] <maxtimbo> they install
[06:24] <maxtimbo> then i get PID error when i try to use the printer
[06:24] <TJ-> maxtimbo: so the issue is in what? discovery of the printer, or printing to it once the printer is added to CUPS ?
[06:26] <TJ-> maxtimbo: if the issue is in printing itself, use the CUPS logs to diagnose it in /var/log/cups/
[06:26] <maxtimbo> that isn't the problem
[06:27] <maxtimbo> it's the 32bit dependencies that aren't compiled correctly with the 64bit .deb file.
[06:29] <OerHeks> install the 32 bit debfile, as ubuntu is multiarch now
[06:29] <OerHeks> canon always have been a troublemaker
[06:33] <TJ-> maxtimbo: there are no 32-bit dependencies declared in either debian package
[06:34] <hateball> fwiw, I tend to just extract the PPD from debs, as well filters if needed... usually just comment them out in the ppd and things seem to work well anyhow
[06:34] <hateball> but I suppose it depends on make and model
[06:35] <vivek_> ho
[06:35] <muhandash> .
[06:35] <muhandash> quit
[06:37] <TJ-> maxtimbo: do you mean the way the canon packages include 32-bit libraries (although I've get to find any exectuable that links with them)
[06:37] <maxtimbo> i don't know anymore, TJ-
[06:38] <maxtimbo> now i'm getting a filter failed error
[06:38] <maxtimbo> aka different error than the one before
[06:38] <TJ-> maxtimbo: ahhh... in the -common package, usr/bin/c3pldrv
[06:40] <maxtimbo> TJ-, i'm not following your train of thought...
[06:40] <maxtimbo> that bin is installed already, btw
[06:42] <TJ-> maxtimbo: I've got both the debian files extracted (not installed) to examine them. I'm looking at each exetuable and running it through 'file' and 'ldd' to find the dynamically linked libraries they expect, and where they are/should be
[06:42] <TJ-> maxtimbo: extracted as in "dpkg-dev -R <package>.deb <package>-dir/ "
[06:42] <TJ-> s/dev/deb/ !
[06:45] <maxtimbo> ok, here's the error message i know: Idle - src = libcanon_pdlwrapper.c, line = 514, err = 0¥nDEBUG: Wrote 1 pages...
[06:47] <TJ-> maxtimbo: OK, that comes from /usr/lib/libncapfilter.so.1.0.0
[06:47] <maxtimbo> I'm going to restart real quick.
[06:47] <maxtimbo> see if that helps
[06:47] <maxtimbo> brb
[06:49] <maxtimbo> back
[06:49] <maxtimbo> and now it's this tricky error: Idle - src = libcanon_pdlwrapper.c, line = 514, err = 0¥nDEBUG: PID 2306 (gs) exited with no errors.
[06:50] <maxtimbo> you still with me TJ- ?
[06:51] <TJ-> maxtimbo: I've disassembled the library
[06:51] <maxtimbo> you're a wizard
[06:54] <maxtimbo> oh my god I did it, TJ-
[06:54] <maxtimbo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2259195
[06:54] <maxtimbo> Needed these dependencies
[06:55] <TJ-> maxtimbo: that's interesting; do the packages declare dependencies only on the 64 bit versions?
[06:56] <maxtimbo> these are 32bit libs that aren't included? I suppose...
[06:56] <maxtimbo> That is so irratating
[06:57] <TJ-> maxtimbo: That's Canon for you, those packages are terrible. They totally miss any 'Depends:' for libjpeg, and the others they do declare will be on the 64-bit libraries
[06:58] <maxtimbo> Here I was thinking canon would be better than Brother printers.... Wrong
[06:58] <TJ-> maxtimbo: that's what happens when the packages are not built and tested on vanilla build systems - they test them on developer PCs which already have those packages installed, and therefore they do not hit that issue.
[06:59] <TJ-> maxtimbo: you should report it to Canon and tell them to get some professional developers!
[06:59] <TJ-> maxtimbo: or offer them your consultancy at $5000/hour
[07:00] <maxtimbo> hahahaha!
[07:00] <maxtimbo> i'll take my time -_-
[07:00] <Iota> I hear Dell is sneaking their certs into Ubuntu.
[07:01] <Iota> What's the best way to remove these? I don't want to be superfished.
[07:02] <somsip> Iota: you've heard wrong. They're on Windows installs. See here http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/23/dell_security_nightmare_gets_worse/
[07:02] <OerHeks> lota read that message carefully: certificates on windows
[07:04] <maxtimbo> posted: http://askubuntu.com/questions/628145/install-canon-printer-lbp6030w/701828#701828
[07:05] <TJ-> maxtimbo: "cndrvcups-ufr2lt/usr/lib/libuictlncap.so.1.0.0" has dependencies for those 'missing' libaries, but the system thinks it can satisfy them with the 64-bit versions, until run-time, due to the bad way Canon have built those Debian packages
[07:05] <Iota> Thanks, somsip. I heard some bad info and thought I'd just jump in the channel and ask before checking. :D
[07:05] <TJ-> Iota: if you don't even read before checking, 'superfish' is the least of your worries :D
[07:06] <maxtimbo> so that's why the error message comes up as a non-error
[07:06] <TJ-> maxtimbo: it seems so, yes.
[07:06] <Iota> TJ-, I certainly read the article. But if you check yourself, you'll see they don't mention the status of the Ubuntu OS they also offer.
[07:07] <Iota> It was another source I got the information from.
[07:07] <somsip> Iota: and it's now off topic so lets leave it as that
[07:07] <Iota> Lol
[07:07] <TJ-> Iota: interesting question you raise actually; if they offer a custom Ubuntu installation I wonder if they put that rogue cert and key in the ca-certs bundle?
[07:08] <maxtimbo> thanks for the help. I'm calling it for tonight
[07:08] <TJ-> Even if the public cert were shipped in pre-installed Linux installs, that would make it vulnerable, since the private key has been distributed
[07:08] <TJ-> maxtimbo: glad you solved it :)
[07:09] <jodom1> hello
[07:12] <amazoniantoad> Is the Aquaris E5 compatible for AT&T?
[07:13] <lotuspsychje> !touch | amazoniantoad
[07:14] <bhioaq> hi
[07:15] <mijowh> I'm having issues installing the drivers for a new graphics card. Had an old geforce 8400 gs, with the drivers from nvidia's site working fine (v340 i think). I had just bought a new geforce gtx 680 and trying to install the driver results in some "failed to load kernel module nvidia.ko" saying it couldnt find some files.
[07:15] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: where did you get the driver from
[07:15] <mijowh> the info log is too long to put on pastebin
[07:15] <mijowh> nvidia's website
[07:16] <bhioaq> how do i boot Live Ubuntu from an NTFS local partition from a syslinux menu on a usb stick?
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: better to install ubuntu drivers from additional drivers section
[07:17] <bhioaq> its a Casper squashfs image
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> bhioaq: start from the beginning mate, whats your end goal?
[07:18] <bhioaq> how do i write the correct sysl entry? i want to boot the live ubuntu system from the HD, its much faster than from a usb stick
[07:19] <bhioaq> lotus: do u know the corret sysl entry to boot squashfs from a ntfs disk?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> bhioaq: what dont you just install ubuntu?
[07:20] <bhioaq> dont want to GRUB or the hole system, because i have win installed
[07:21] <bhioaq> so how do i Boot/start live ubuntu from a HD with a syslinux entry?
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> bhioaq: how about you install ubuntu in a virtual machine on your windows?
[07:22] <bhioaq> as i said i dont want to INSTALL it but RUN it as an overlayfs
[07:23] <bhioaq> or boot the ubuntu.iso from a NTFS partition
[07:23] <bhioaq> so my Q is: whats the correct syslinux menu entry?
[07:24] <mijowh> burn it to a disc, or dual boot with grub. Maybe I dont understand your question, bu your not going to have windows and linux both running from the same partition
[07:24] <mijowh> or do a virtual machine in windows
[07:25] <mijowh> but ill brb gotta reboot see if the driver took well
[07:25] <bhioaq> offc, i could install GRUB on a USB stick, and then boot the hole iso from a ntfs local part
[07:26] <bhioaq> how do i do that then?
[07:26] <theboss> julijulityes
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> bhioaq: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[07:26] <lotuspsychje> theboss: can we help you?
[07:27] <theboss> lotuspsychje, oops, sorry... got two keyboards in front of me... was on the wrong one
[07:27] <mijowh> alright that didnt work at all
[07:28] <mijowh> i installed the nvidia-352 from software center
[07:28] <mijowh> and now glxinfo throws errors about glx extension missing
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: your card is optimus?
[07:28] <mijowh> and im stuck at a really low res
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: and wich ubuntu version?
[07:29] <mijowh> optimus? no, gtx 680. I installed the 352 because that the version that waslisted in nvidias site
[07:29] <mijowh> and lubuntu 15.10 x64
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: try lubuntu LTS on that card?
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: or another driver from 15.10
[07:30] <mijowh> so: reformat?
[07:30] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: depends what you want, stable long time support or non-lts?
[07:30] <mijowh> I want an opengl 4.0+ context so i can play with compute shaders lol
[07:31] <mijowh> ill just reinstall fresh tomorrow i guess
[07:31] <mijowh> seems linux doesnt like hardware changes
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: try drivers switch first
[07:31] <mijowh> only been running ubuntu for a few months
[07:31] <mijowh> which driver should i try?
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: tell me wich drivers show up your list?
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: 340 or 346 if that shows?
[07:32] <Exchizz> Morningen guys(if it's morning for you :b ). I'm having some troubles understanding UEFI vs. BIOS. My system is currently using UEFI. When I see 'Press Fx to change boot order' - is that BIOS or UEFI ? Altså when I enter (what's normally called BIOS), is that BIOS or UEFI ? Thanks :>
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> !uefi | Exchizz
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> Exchizz: can you tell us what you wanna do exactly?
[07:33] <mijowh> i was running 340 earlier with the old card from nvidias site, but when i installed the new card glxinfo still showed a 3.3 context
[07:33] <Exchizz> I have read that, but I don't think it answers my question :> Is BIOS startup first then UEFI ?
[07:33] <mijowh> and i believe the new one is 4.2
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: ok then file a bug in 15.10
[07:34] <mijowh> alrighty
[07:34] <mijowh> ill install lts tomorrow after work
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> Exchizz: from bios you can choose uefi or legacy..is that what you want?
[07:34] <mijowh> thanks for the help regardless
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: ok mate
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> good choice
[07:35] <mijowh> this was the first issue i had with 15.10 really and ive been running for maybe 3 months now (came from windows previosly)
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: smart choice :p
[07:36] <Exchizz> lotuspsychje: soo I run both BIOS og EUFI ? I'm not really trying to do enything, I just want to understand what it is :b Yesterday I accidently deleted a entry using efibootmgr, then I started to read and think about it.
[07:36] <Exchizz> UEFI *
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> Exchizz: try ##hardware if its not ubuntu related mate
[07:36] <mijowh> Exchizz, maybe $$hardware can help
[07:36] <mijowh> ##
[07:36] <Exchizz> Ah I didn't of that, thanks :>
[07:38] <mijowh> time to do some backups lol. I'm just hoping this card was worth it in the end. I had this all customized and nice just how i like it
[07:38] <mijowh> bleh
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: dont blame the card mate, should be working nice on lts
[07:38] <mijowh> i still need to try out wine. Gonna try to get bf4 running. on the old card id average about 5-6 fps on windows. totally unplayable
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: bf4 on linux hmmm
[07:39] <mijowh> and a 4.2 context will be nice. I havent been able to play around with tessellation or compute shaders yet. been learning opengl
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: could try the playonlinux database or winehq
[07:40] <mijowh> i was reading on winehq that bf4 worked pretty well considering
[07:40] <mijowh> that its playable and such
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: didnt test myself
[07:41] <mijowh> ive been forced to run bf1942 because its all the old card could handle
[07:41] <mijowh> games from 2001, yay
[07:41] <mijowh> (surprisingly, theres still alot of peple online on it too)
[07:43] <hateball> !ppa | mijowh there is also this PPA for up-to-date nvidia drivers https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[07:43] <hateball> !ppa
[07:43] <hateball> Silly goose
[07:43] <hateball> mijowh: note that the 358 driver is broken, 355 is however nice
[07:44] <mijowh> will that work with a 680? i know nvidia listed it as 352
[07:45] <mijowh> oh i also wanted to ask, earlier i tried running "playonlinux" frontend for wine, and it was giving me a hard time about not having 32-bit for opengl. Do i really need to install 32-bit system instead just to get wine to run?
[07:46] <mijowh> i cnat even use all my memory if i do that
[07:47] <sly01> hi all
[07:47] <sly01> i got a question
[07:47] <sly01> my os is ubuntu 10.04 lucid 64 bit
[07:47] <sly01> and i want upgrade first 12.04 then from 12.04 to 14.04
[07:47] <somsip> mijowh: try this http://askubuntu.com/questions/507468/playonlinux-missing-opengl-32-libraries
[07:47] <sly01> when i do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade then do-release upgrade
[07:48] <sly01> it says command terminated with exit status
[07:48] <sly01> what solution could be ?
[07:48] <sly01> thank you
[07:48] <somsip> sly01: are you really typing "do-release upgrade"?
[07:48] <mekhami> do monitor drivers typically get released for ubuntu/
[07:48] <guest-iYLSLd> ahsahjahaha
[07:48] <mekhami> i bought a new monitor and heard there's some updates
[07:48] <guest-iYLSLd> fuck zou
[07:49] <guest-iYLSLd> you
[07:49] <lotuspsychje> !ops | guest-iYLSLd
[07:49] <guest-abcd> mistgeburten
[07:49] <DJones> guest-iYLSLd: Please don't this is a support channel only
[07:49] <guest-iYLSLd> fuckyou
[07:49] <somsip> mijowh: lots of other references to the same issue out there. Best to read up before blindly trying one of the offered solutions
[07:49] <guest-abcd> cocksucker
[07:50] <mijowh> well that wanst why i came here, I was having driver issues, which i did read and couldnt solve
[07:50] <mijowh> that was just a side note that i noticed
[07:50] <mijowh> my apologies
[07:50] <guest-PtTkSH_> hi
[07:50] <somsip> mijowh: if you ask questions, sometimes you get answers. Do with it what you will
[07:51] <mijowh> did i offend somehow?
[07:51] <sly01> yeah soip do-release-upgrade
[07:51] <somsip> sly01: do each command separately - which one fails? What version are you running now?
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> mijowh: no mate, trolls are being banned its not you
[07:51] <guest-PtTkSH_> i like suck dicks
[07:51] <karstenk> Hello! I entered one more line add the end of sshd_config to enable ssh access for another user plus root with: AllowUsers User , but I will lost my root connection and iam not able to reconnect after ssh reload. How can I add another user to use ssh?
[07:52] <mekhami> i'll never understand this fasincation.
[07:52] <sly01> somsip apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && do-release-upgrade
[07:52] <somsip> karstenk: always keep a connection open when messing with SSH configs. BTDTGTTS
[07:52] <mekhami> fascination, wow what happened there.
[07:52] <karstenk> ive done tzhat somsip
[07:52] <somsip> sly01: and as I said, do eash separately and confirm which one fails. And which version are you on.
[07:53] <karstenk> but how can i add a second user than root?
[07:53] <karstenk> the user allready exists
[07:53] <sly01> yeah I did it seperately my os version ubuntu 10.04 lucid
[07:53] <somsip> karstenk: users should be able to just log in to SSH using their normal logins
[07:53] <somsip> !10.04
[07:53] <somsip> sly01: so that not supported anymore. Read the upgrade link at the end of the next factoid
[07:53] <somsip> !eol | sly01
[07:54] <logy> hi ppl, why is it so hard to format a usb in ubuntu. I press right click format it and it gives me like 3 errors xD
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> !info gparted | logy
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> logy: after install gksu gparted and format
[07:54] <sly01> thats what I am looking now
[07:54] <sly01> thank you
[07:55] <karstenk> that was the user create line sudo adduser --system --home=/opt/odoo --group odoo
[07:55] <sly01> by the way
[07:55] <karstenk> but the user odoo isnt able to use ssh
[07:55] <sly01> how do you say specific person just as you do
[07:55] <karstenk> what ive missed to configure?
[07:55] <logy> ye i could use gparted, totally forgot about that xD thank you a lot
[07:55] <sly01> when you say something to me color of text is red
[07:55] <sly01> what is the command of doing that
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> logy: gparted mostly bypassing errors :p
[07:56] <somsip> karstenk: that adduser line does not contain an option to set the login shell, IIRC
[07:56] <karstenk> ok, what can cause that ssh connect isnt allowed for that user?
[07:56] <karstenk> the sshd config is pretty standard
[07:57] <somsip> karstenk: that user does not have a login shell (from what I can tell - I don't know adduser command well)
[07:57] <somsip> !pm | sly01
[07:57] <logy> One more question, I am trying to use Times new roman (font from ms office) I installed ttf-mscore by following a tutorial online, but it just gives me an error (EVERY time I start ubuntu) that the libraries are wrong
[07:58] <somsip> sly01: put their name at the front of your reply. Type a few letters and hit <tab> to auto-complete in most clients
[07:58] <karstenk> does anybody other know what to configure additional or how to change that user to have ssh connect?
[07:58] <lotuspsychje> logy: install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:58] <somsip> karstenk: give them a login shell
[07:59] <logy> lotuspsychje: ty will try now
[07:59] <somsip> karstenk: from man adduser " The new system user will have the shell /bin/false (unless overridden with the --shell option), and have logins disabled"
[08:00] <sly01> somsip: Thank you so much
[08:00] <somsip> sly01: that did it
[08:00] <sly01> ubottu: okey i got thank you
[08:02] <karstenk> i have changed shell, now the uiser is configured like: odoo:x:112:120::/opt/odoo:/bin/sh
[08:02] <karstenk> but connection still not able
[08:03] <karstenk> wrong shell?
[08:03] <ikonia> define "not able"
[08:04] <karstenk> Permission denied, please try again.
[08:04] <ikonia> what does the servers log show about the connection
[08:07] <somsip> karstenk: did you set the password after giving them a login shell?
[08:09] <karstenk> no, i try that at the moment, but when user passwd, I get (current) UNIX password:
[08:09] <karstenk> passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
[08:09] <karstenk> passwd: password unchanged
[08:09] <karstenk> upps sry
[08:09] <ikonia> you're not doing the password with sudo
[08:09] <ikonia> set the password with sudo
[08:09] <karstenk> k
[08:09] <ikonia> eg: sudo password odo
[08:09] <karstenk> user have no sudoers
[08:09] <ikonia> you must have
[08:10] <ikonia> how did you create/alter a user if you don't have sudo
[08:10] <karstenk> sudo adduser --system --home=/opt/odoo --group odoo
[08:10] <ikonia> you just said you didn't have sudo
[08:10] <karstenk> no sudo for odoo
[08:10] <ikonia> so ?
[08:11] <ikonia> I'm not asking you to grant odoo sudo permission
[08:11] <ikonia> I'm telling you to set the users password
[08:11] <somsip> karstenk: use the same user that you used when you added odoo
[08:11] <ikonia> with the command "sudo passwd odoo"
[08:11] <karstenk> k
[08:11] <karstenk> worked
[08:11] <karstenk> thanks a lo
[08:12] <karstenk> t
[08:12] <somsip> karstenk: and ssh login?
[08:12] <karstenk> works
[08:12] <karstenk> i missed to setup as root the passwd for that user
[08:13] <karstenk> so now I need to restrict, that this user can only connect fro a configured ip
[08:13] <karstenk> per ssh
[08:14] <ikonia> you can use tcp wrappers, ufw, or the inbuild ssh restrictions
[08:14] <somsip> !ufw | karstenk
[08:14] <karstenk> but when I last added AllowUsers odoo@my-ip the root user could not connect anymore
[08:14] <ikonia> the root user cannot connect over ssh anyway
[08:14] <ikonia> it is disabled
[08:14] <ikonia> you can't even login as root
[08:15] <karstenk> no I activated for developing processes
[08:15] <somsip> karstenk: if you have enabled root login (shudder) you need to list all users in AllowUsers (see http://knowledgelayer.softlayer.com/learning/how-do-i-permit-specific-users-ssh-access)
[08:15] <ikonia> a.) the root user has no password - so you can't login b.) the root user is disabled in ssh - so yo can't login ANYWAY
[08:17] <karstenk> AllowUsers root odoo@my-ip ??
[08:17] <ikonia> no
[08:17] <ikonia> root is disabled
[08:17] <ikonia> and should stay disabled
[08:18] <karstenk> ok, that was the trick, it works like aspected
[08:18] <karstenk> thanls
[08:18] <karstenk> thanks
[08:19] <karstenk> yes i will disable, when iam finished configuration ikonia
[08:20] <ikonia> it should not be enabled
[08:20] <ikonia> and it should be disabled now
[08:20] <karstenk> why?
[08:20] <ikonia> you do not need root ssh to configure anything
[08:20] <ikonia> and you do not need the root account enabled at a shell level
[08:20] <karstenk> ?
[08:20] <ikonia> what is not clear about what I've just said ?
[08:21] <karstenk> you say you dont need, i asked why?
[08:21] <ikonia> why do you need it ?
[08:21] <karstenk> ive not user user to configure my productions server, the services user are completly restricted to there services
[08:21] <karstenk> why i need not the root user to configure?
[08:21] <ikonia> karstenk: so you should use a nonprivileged user, with sudo
[08:22] <ikonia> the whole ubuntu security model is based on the root account being disabled and locked, you're breaking that
[08:22] <karstenk> why?
[08:22] <ikonia> the ssh security model is based on the root account not having interactive login privileges, you're breaking that
[08:22] <karstenk> what should be the different to first configure all with root and than deactivate ssh?
[08:22] <ikonia> so you're breaking 2 of the core security setups, because you appear to not know how to use sudo
[08:23] <UbuntuUser> Good morning. I am trying to rsync a remote server (ubuntu) to a local server (also ubuntu) [both 14.04.3] for backup purposes. If I run rsync directly on the terminal the rsync works fine, however, if I run it from inside a .sh (bash) file then the rsync cannot resolve the hostname. Does anyone have a pointer on how to get around this? . Google has not been much help thus far!!
[08:23] <barnex> hey
[08:23] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: pastebin your shell script
[08:24] <karstenk> no i only wanted to setup fast my server without entering sudo. security is what i set up last
[08:24] <barnex> I tried unmounting sshfs filesystem with random commands found on the internet, most of them wouldn't work. Now I'm stuck with 'Transport endpoint is not connected'
[08:24] <ikonia> karstenk: that is nonsense,
[08:24] <ikonia> karstenk: it is quicker to type "sudo -i" that to go in, setup a root login, go in, allow root in ssh, restart ssh
[08:24] <ikonia> basically, you don't know how to use sudo, so you've put your production servers at risk
[08:24] <barnex> one of the random commands was 'mount -t sshfs -o remount,allow_other' which remounted it somehow, and now it's not in mtab, so I can't remount
[08:24] <somsip> karstenk: you generally tried to ignore the advice you were being given from the start. We are trying to help. You should try to listen. EOT for me
[08:24] <UbuntuUser> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/UbdG9WtB
[08:25] <barnex> or if I try to remount with sshfs endpoint is not connected :/
[08:25] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: there are lots of white spaces
[08:25] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: that will make the hostname invalid
[08:25] <barnex> can't just remove the directory either, since 'it's a folder' when I rm -rf
[08:25] <ikonia> barnex: is the hostname 128SSSD?
[08:25] <karstenk> nonsense is in my eyesnot to use the root user for a developing moment, there is nothing, what cant undo
[08:25] <ikonia> oops
[08:25] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: is the hostname 128SSD
[08:26] <karstenk> iam aware of the risks
[08:26] <ikonia> karstenk: how are you goint to lock the root user account when you are done ?
[08:26] <ikonia> karstenk: clearly you're not
[08:27] <UbuntuUser> ikonia: yes
[08:27] <UbuntuUser> and also, I just rewrote it directly inside nano without pasting... same error
[08:27] <barnex> ok, never mind, some more random commands fixed it :-) (sudo umount -l)
[08:27] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: remove the white spaces, also you may want to put a username in, IF the script is being run as a different user
[08:27] <karstenk> I change back the line PermitRootLogin yes to no
[08:27] <ikonia> karstenk: that doesn't lock the root user
[08:27] <Hardcore7> Hi
[08:27] <ikonia> karstenk: the root user is still unlocked
[08:27] <ikonia> karstenk: how are you going to lock the root user ?
[08:28] <karstenk> thats all what ive changed to a standard installation
[08:28] <UbuntuUser> ikonia: 128SSD is inside ~/.ssg/config
[08:28] <UbuntuUser> ssh*
[08:28] <ikonia> karstenk: no it's not
[08:28] <ikonia> karstenk: the root user has no password by default, so you wouldn't be able to login if you hadn't set a root password
[08:28] <Hardcore7> sudo passwd root?
[08:28] <ikonia> Hardcore7: no
[08:28] <karstenk> the root passwd is set by my hoster not from me
[08:28] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: does the machine you are running on have internet connection ?
[08:29] <ikonia> karstenk: then you are in trouble, as your security model is already broken, and you should not have enabled root in the ssh config
[08:29] <UbuntuUser> ikonia: Yes. and as I said, it works fine when I run the line from the terminal
[08:29] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: ok, so please do "cat your_script_name | pastebinit"
[08:29] <ikonia> and give us the URL
[08:30] <UbuntuUser> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/EziZeMHC
[08:30] <karstenk> ikonia since iam using a ssl covered openvpn connection with rsa keys, iam not in trouble with that
[08:30] <ikonia> karstenk: I'm not going to help you any more, it doesn't appear you know what you are doing, and refuse advice,
[08:30] <karstenk> no i recognize, thanks
[08:31] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: so you're script is broken, it has white spaces in
[08:31] <UbuntuUser> that has to be pastebin
[08:31] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: it's not
[08:31] <UbuntuUser> That was written directly inside NANO
[08:31] <ikonia> as the command I told you to run would send it to ubuntu pastebin, not pastebin.co
[08:31] <ikonia> .com
[08:31] <UbuntuUser> on the terminal, it cannot be written another way
[08:31] <ikonia> so you're not doing what I told you to do
[08:31] <UbuntuUser> ok greeat
[08:31] <ikonia> so I'm going to stop help you
[08:31] <UbuntuUser> wow
[08:32] <UbuntuUser> arrogant much>]
[08:32] <ikonia> no
[08:32] <UbuntuUser> yes
[08:32] <barnex> well he's helping you for free
[08:32] <barnex> you're the arrogant one :P
[08:32] <ikonia> I told you exactly what to type so I could get good info from you, you ignored it and re-pasted the same link as if it was something new
[08:32] <ikonia> I can't help you if I don't get good information
[08:33] <UbuntuUser> ZERO difference than pastebin.com http://paste.ubuntu.com/13490409/
[08:33] <ikonia> UbuntuUser: not interested,
[08:33] <UbuntuUser> good
[08:33] <UbuntuUser> die
[08:33] <barnex> :/
[08:33] <inteus> wow really?
[08:33] <UbuntuUser> unhelpful people need to not frequent IRC
[08:33] <UbuntuUser> you arrogant cunt
[08:33] <ikonia> bye
[08:33] <inteus> drop the attitude
[08:33] <inteus> and the language
[08:34] * SlidingHorn applauds
[08:34] <Hardcore7> ikonia: wow that guy was a mad man xD
[08:34] <ikonia> just ignore and lets move on
[08:35] <Hardcore7> ikonia: thankfully we got people who like to help ;)
[08:37] <Ignaz> hello which is the right eclipse package for PHP ? eclipse-pdt did'nt find on ubuntu 15.10
[08:38] <somsip> Ignaz: the official one is a bit outdated IIRC. It's one of the few occasions I'd recommended installing from the zip
[08:38] <Ignaz> ah ok thanks a lot
[08:38] <somsip> Ignaz: zip...whatever the downloadable form is...
[08:38] <Ignaz> is there some PPA for that?
[08:38] <Hardcore7> .exe or .sh if im correctly
[08:38] <Hardcore7> and*
[08:39] <Hardcore7> Ignaz: just look at their website, i don't think they do have either have not an updated PPA itself
[08:39] <Ignaz> eclipse-inst-linux64.tar.gz
[08:39] <somsip> Ignaz: maybe, but it's a simple unarchive, copy to /opt/ and add the bin to $PATH
[08:40] <somsip> Ignaz: https://wiki.opendaylight.org/view/Getting_Started:Eclipse:Installing_Eclipse_on_Ubuntu http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/06/install-latest-eclipse-ubuntu-14-04/
[08:42] <Skrank> top O the morning to you all
[08:42] <Hardcore7> Skrank: morning
[08:42] <Ignaz> Thanks a lot
[08:46] <fateme> Hi everyone, I have a running process /usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/mdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt8. can anyone tell me this is related to which package or service please?
[08:47] <ikonia> its the disktop
[08:47] <ikonia> desktop
[08:47] <ikonia> the X server that contains your visual desktop
[08:47] <Hardcore7> ikonia: ur so quick xD
[08:48] <fateme> remote desktop you mean?
[08:48] <Hardcore7> fateme: no, don't think so
[08:49] <zerothis> I need a permanent cursor to always be visible no matter which app is running even if it has it's own cursor or makes the cursor invisible
[08:49] <Hardcore7> fateme: Xorg (/usr/bin/X) is your desktop client, and it has remote X as posibility
[08:50] <Hardcore7> zerothis: why would you need this?
[08:51] <fateme> Thanks Hardcore7
[08:51] <fateme> Thanks ikonia
[08:54] <dionysus69> what log level do I need for this ? uswsusp ? hibernation, it would be nice if I see what % is loaded from SSD back to ram
[09:01] <zgorbyo> hi all
[09:02] <zgorbyo> can anyone help me in make my bluetooth connection work on my ubuntu 1404 laptop?
[09:07] <barnex> zgorbyo: probably, just state what you know, what you did and what troubles are you experiencing
[09:07] <barnex> and if someone can help someone will
[09:08] <zgorbyo> ok
[09:08] <Kadred> alguem
[09:09] <SysUX-E> zgorbyo: what is your exact problem?
[09:10] <zgorbyo> the default status is off and when i attempt to enable it the graphic switch trns back to off mode after few seconds
[09:10] <ArchNoob> Hello. :)
[09:10] <SysUX-E> zgorbyo: so your display shows black when you turn BT on?
[09:11] <zgorbyo> no, graphics is ok
[09:12] <ArchNoob> I have an issue, when i'm using my computer for like 4/5 days suddenly the screen turns off and buttons wont function and fans starts going faster this doesn't change until i force shutdown. What could be the cause?
[09:12] <zgorbyo> simply cant activete it
[09:12] <ArchNoob> I have an issue, when i'm using my computer for like 4/5 (uptime) days suddenly the screen turns off and buttons wont function and fans starts going faster this doesn't change until i force shutdown. What could be the cause?
[09:12] <cfhowlett> !ask | ArchNoob
[09:12] <SysUX-E> zgorbyo: try this: rfkill unblock bluetooth
[09:13] <cpaelzer> ArchNoob: quite often this indicates that something you or your system does leaves stale things
[09:14] <cpaelzer> ArchNoob: if these still consume some CPU power or tap on shared ressources and so on such things can add up badly at some point
[09:14] <ikonia> or a process dies keeping resources open
[09:14] <cpaelzer> ArchNoob: I'd recommend doing some basic monitoring and regularly grab the ouptut of ps for some time to get an idea what might be going on
[09:15] <ikonia> if the screen is going black, I'd suggest your X server, video card kernel module would be a key starting point
[09:15] <ikonia> or you could just have a problem with power managment support
[09:16] <zgorbyo> now it doenst revert automaticalli to off status aymore
[09:17] <zgorbyo> i could be ok
[09:17] <zgorbyo> i must test it
[09:19] <cpaelzer> ArchNoob: I'd start with "dstat -tvin --noupdate 5 > dstat.log &" and "(while /bin/true; do ps axlf >> ps.log; sleep 30; done) &"
[09:19] <SysUX-E> zgorbyo: ok, tell me if it works or not
[09:19] <cpaelzer> ArchNoob: I totally like the approach of ikonia as well, and both are not mutually exclusive
[09:19] <cpaelzer> ArchNoob: so monitor in background and look for e.g. X logs and power management
[09:19] <Mathisen> im having problem geting wifi working on a HP 6730p laptop the wifi hotkey wont even work just orange glow from it should be blue i think im missing some driver for this any ideas ?
[09:20] <cpaelzer> ArchNoob: and when the system is almost dead next time you will after the reboot have some nice logs to get an idea
[09:20] <Mathisen> 6730s model sorry not "p"
[09:21] <TJ-> Mathisen: that's an ACPI OSI issue; the PC firmware doesn't provide the same services to Linux as it does to Windows
[09:21] <Mathisen> TJ-, and how do i solve this
[09:22] <zgorbyo> now it seems ok, thanks very much
[09:22] <TJ-> Mathisen: show us "pastebin <( sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows )"
[09:23] <Mathisen> TJ-, give me 2 min got an apt-get command runing
[09:25] <TJ-> Mathisen: you can also do "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows | termbin.com 9999"
[09:25] <TJ-> Mathisen: (if you're waiting to install pastebinit, that is)
[09:26] <Mathisen> TJ-, im waiting to be able to install it yet
[09:26] <Mathisen> yes
[09:30] <TJ-> Mathisen: this works without pastebinit: "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows | nc termbin.com 9999"
[09:30] <Mathisen> TJ-, hmm strings command not found
[09:31] <Mathisen> TJ-, what package got that command
[09:32] <TJ-> Mathisen: What release is that you're using? strings is part of binutils, and a system without that package is broken
[09:33] <Mathisen> TJ-, yeah my bad spelling :) anyway still did not work >> Bash: /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT Accec denied
[09:33] <TJ-> Mathisen: did you forget the sudo?
[09:35] <Mathisen> nope
[09:36] <TJ-> Mathisen: what does "ls -l /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT" report?
[09:39] <Mathisen> TJ-, http://pastebin.com/Bk99u3Re
[09:40] <TJ-> Mathisen: so the file is accessible by root, as it should be. 'sudo strings ... ' therefore shouldn't get 'access denied'
[09:41] <Mathisen> TJ-, http://termbin.com/27mr
[09:43] <Mathisen> TJ-, anymore info you want
[09:44] <TJ-> Mathisen: hmmm, that's quite an old device to be affected by the firmware bug I'm thinking of. It's mostly very recent (last 2 years) devices from HP and Acer
[09:44] <TJ-> Mathisen: show us "dmesg | pastebinit"
[09:44] <Mathisen> TJ-, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13491245/
[09:45] <Mathisen> TJ-, im guessing i need a broadcom driver of some sort but i dont know
[09:45] <Mathisen> im just wild guessing here
[09:46] <TJ-> Mathisen: which Ubuntu release is it, 15.04 Vivid ?
[09:46] <Mathisen> TJ-, Lubuntu 15.04
[09:47] <TJ-> Mathisen: see line 156 of that pastebin
[09:47] <Mathisen> "Your BIOS is broken" :)
[09:47] <Mathisen> does not sound to good lol
[09:48] <TJ-> Mathisen: right, just be aware of that, it could be an underlying cause of other symptoms
[09:50] <Mathisen> TJ-, yeah but you still got no idea what i should do ? to get wifi going ?
[09:51] <TJ-> Mathisen: I'm working through the log. Line 959 onwards is not good either
[09:52] <harishkrupo> !log | harishkrupo
[09:53] <TJ-> Mathisen: line 1020 "[ 9.831445] b43-phy0 ERROR ..."
[09:54] <xchatUser> hello!
[09:55] <harishkrupo> hello
[09:55] <Mathisen> TJ-, should i try >> sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer ?
[09:56] <TJ-> Mathisen: I'd be worried about all those GPU errors too
[09:56] <TJ-> Mathisen: yes
[09:59] <rootNinja> I am using ubuntu 14.04 and it is not Shutting down from quite a while now. When I click on Shutdown/Restart it goes to shutdown page and runs forever. Can someone help me in this ?
[09:59] <Mathisen> TJ-, yeah that did the trick
[09:59] <Mathisen> working now
[09:59] <Mathisen> TJ-, thx for the help
[10:00] <xieaoran> shenmegui
[10:00] <barnex> rootNinja: if you want just to shutdown it now, ctrl-alt-f1 to a console, login and sudo shutdown -h 0
[10:00] <barnex> should do the trick
[10:01] <rootNinja> @barnex - let me try and get back to you .
[10:05] <ArchNoob> cpaelzer: Hello Thank you for your answers. And sorry i was out, went to poop ;) really. So you gave me this script is it okay if i just get it in my functions file and be running it every now and then!?
[10:07] <cpaelzer> ArchNoob: these are just two calls that you can enter in your console. they will both background and collect info in the two files. Start them after your next reboot
[10:07] <Ishant_> hello
[10:08] <cpaelzer> ArchNoob: Then when your system is slow or even after the next reboot you will find the log useful to see what might have "ramped up"
[10:08] <cpaelzer> ArchNoob: those are just two commands, no need for scripts/functions yet - just open a console - put the first enter, put the second enter and you are all set
[10:09] <cpaelzer> ArchNoob: you can then take a look at what is accumulating in the logs with e.g. "tail -f dstat.log"
[10:09] <rogger_h> Im looking for someone to give me sys admin services with a reasonable price. if someone is a freelancer and want please pm me
[10:09] <Ishant_> how to change permission of read only file system?
[10:09] <ArchNoob> cpaelzer: Thank You very much.. :)
[10:11] <fRit_^> hello, could someone tell me how to stop automatic connections to canonical servers on system launch? haetae.canonical.com
[10:11] <fRit_^> obake.canonical.com, port 80
[10:17] <Ishant_> how to change permission of read only file system?
[10:20] <EriC^^> Ishant_: what are you trying to achieve?
[10:34] <fRit_^> hello, could someone tell me how to stop automatic connections to canonical servers on system launch? haetae.canonical.com
[10:34] <ikonia> fRit_^: what application is connecting
[10:35] <hexhaxtron> In aptitude how can I deselect all packages containing ':i386'?
[10:36] <fRit_^> ikonia: i dont know :( port 80
[10:36] <fRit_^> its security repositiory
[10:37] <fRit_^> I have disabled unattended-upgrades
[10:37] <fRit_^> and periodic
[10:43] <fRit_^> ikonia: any idea?
[10:43] <killall> where can i get support libevdev?
[10:53] <adac> Guys, how can create a snapshot of my system, so I can jump back to that state at some point?
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> !backup | adac
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> adac: another time saving is to backup your favorite packages with aptoncd
[11:00] <adac> lotuspsychje, thanks a lot!
[11:02] <rootNinja> @barnes - It is not working, I ran that command you asked me to. But again it went to shutdown screen and was running forever.
[11:06] <rootNinja> I think barnes is not here. Let me tell my problem again, I am unable to shutdown my Ubuntu Machine. When I do shutdown/restart it goes to shutdown screen and runs forever. Here barnes asked me to do this : alt+ctrl+f1 login sudo shutdown -h 0, I did all this but again I was on shutdown screen and it was running forever. If anyone can help ?
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> rootNinja: press F1 on shutdown, to see freezing part error
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> rootNinja: you can also test sudo halt -p to force
[11:09] <rootNinja> lotuspsychje : you mean before executing : sudo shutdown -h 0, I should execute sudo halt -p ?
[11:10] <Ben64> how about sudo poweroff
[11:12] <rootNinja> @Ben64 - Let me try
[11:12] <mcphail> rootNinja: when your machine is hanging on the shutdown screen, does it switch off if you hold Alt+SysRq(PrintScreen) and type "REISUO"?
[11:13] <rootNinja> @mcphail - wait lemme try this .
[11:14] <dantes> привет индейцы
[11:14] <cfhowlett> !ru | dantes
[11:20] <maggo201> @rootNinja maybe your graphics card is causing the problem
[11:20] <maggo201> @rootNinja http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2277583
[11:20] <Capprentice> Im getting a error on rtorrent, too many open files. What could be the cause? How do I fix it?
[11:20] <nullkuhl> i have nvidia driver installed, but i cant prime select as it says alternative are not set correctly, however every time i set alternative manaually, after reboot it drops back to mesa.,
[11:21] <nullkuhl> do anyone know how to fix alternative or fix them on nvidia
[11:21] <k1l> rootNinja: see the syslog.0 or syslog.1 in /var/log what is causing issues at the end
rootNinja: see the syslog.0 or syslog.1 in /var/log what is causing issues at the end
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: wich card chipset?
[11:27] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: 07:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK208M [GeForce GT 740M] (rev a1)
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: installed nvidia-prime?
[11:27] <rootNinja> I tried $sudo poweroff didn't worked, then I tried to get freezing error by ctrl+f1, nothing happened, then I tried ctrl+SysRq again noting happened ??
[11:27] <nullkuhl> yes , nvidia prime, and nvidia-352 driver
[11:27] <nullkuhl> and i dont have nor use bumblebee
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: bumblebee is outdated dont worry
[11:28] <mcphail> rootNinja: Alt+Sysrq, not ctrl
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: can you try a less driver, 340 or 346 perhaps
[11:28] <rootNinja> @K1l - I forgot so I tried with all three alt, ctrl and shift. Nothing happened
[11:29] <rootNinja> sorry I meant @mcphail.
[11:29] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: tried , but didnt matter, the problem is i develop using cuda, so whenever i install cuda toolkit, it break the alternatives issue
[11:29] <mcphail> rootNinja: and you held them down while you typed "RESIUO"?
[11:30] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: i can switch to nvidia card using prime-select nvidia, but thats only when i set alternatives manually through "sudo update-alternatives --config x86_64-linux-gnu_gl_conf"
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: enabled performance mode in nvidia-settings?
[11:30] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: the problem is right after reboot, i find that its back again, and prime select says alternatives not set correctly, theni wud have to redo all that again
[11:30] <rootNinja> @mcphail - you mean I have to keep them held down on shut down screen and start pressing REISUO in this order ?
[11:31] <mcphail> rootNinja: yes
[11:31] <EriC^^> reisuo or reisub?
[11:31] <mcphail> rootNinja: it isn't a fix for your problem, but might be a workaround
[11:31] <mcphail> EriC^^: reisuo - he wants to switch off rather than reboot
[11:32] <EriC^^> oh ok
[11:32] * mcphail only found out about the "O" yesterday after accidently holding Alt-Syrq-H and finding a help screen
[11:33] <rootNinja> @mcphail - Let me try and get back to you .
[11:35] <dersand> If i have an usb stick with the file structure: "efi" -> "boot" -> "bootx64.efi", "grubx64.efi". Am i able to boot ubuntu from this device?
[11:36] <cfhowlett> dersand, depends. is your device EFI and set to secure boot or legacy?
[11:36] <dersand> cfhowlett: i'm on windows right now, how can i check that?
[11:37] <EriC^^> dersand: you have to enter the bios and check
[11:37] <dersand> Allright then, here goes
[11:37] <cfhowlett> dersand, plug in USB, reboot, hit f12 (or whatever takes you to one-time boot options), set USB to #1 boot priority and let 'r rip.
[11:37] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: any idea ?
[11:39] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: wich ubuntu version is this
[11:42] <d1v3> server irc.anonops.com 6697
[11:42] <rootNinja> @mcphail - Didn't worked dude. Nothing happened.
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> rootNinja: try to set grub to "quiet splash" off= "" to see the text booting
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> rootNinja: it might give you some info of whats happening
[11:44] <stangeland> hi, ii try to load my ubuntu machine....but it just opens up in a "GNU GRUB Minimal BASH-like line editing" tool.... Could this be because the harddisk is broken? It was working just fine - booting normally up until now
[11:45] <mcphail> rootNinja: Shame. Wonder if this is an ACPI issue? TJ- is usually the master of debugging those
[11:45] <cfhowlett> stangeland, lots of things could break. no reason to assume it's a HDD issue
[11:45] <stangeland> cfhowlett, hmm i see...is there any way i can figure out what the problem could be?
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: join #ubuntu-discuss always handy to have acpi experts
[11:45] <TJ-> rootNinja: "grep kernel\.sysrq /etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysrq.conf" should show what Magic SysRq functions are enabled
[11:46] <cfhowlett> stangeland, first check your boot media: md5sum the .iso then the USB you made with it.
[11:46] <cfhowlett> !md5sum | stangeland
[11:46] <stangeland> cfhowlett, no this ubuntu has been installed already long time ago on the harddisk and has been working great for months
[11:47] <cfhowlett> stangeland, ah! good to know. smartmonctl tools will tell you about the HDD
[11:47] <TJ-> stangeland: do you have a "rescue>" or "grub>" prompt??
[11:47] <stangeland> cfhowlett, i see, Is that something i need to download and put on a usb drive?
[11:47] <cfhowlett> stangeland, boot a live USB and run it from there
[11:47] <stangeland> TJ-, yeah...i have a grub> prompt
[11:47] <rootNinja> @TJ - this is the output : # debugging dumps of processes: kernel.sysrq = 10 kernel.sysrq = 176
[11:48] <TJ-> stangeland: that's a good sign, means the GRUB root file-system was readable.
[11:48] <rootNinja> @mcphail - by ACPI you mean some power issue, even I think this is the case..
[11:48] <TJ-> stangeland: are you at the "grub>" prompt now?
[11:48] <stangeland> TJ-, aha good to know....yes i am in the grub> now...can i run any diagnostics from there?
[11:48] <TJ-> rootNinja: OK, 176 should enable Alt+SysRq+O
[11:48] <mcphail> rootNinja: basically, can the OS communicate with the hardware to get it to shut down properly
[11:49] <TJ-> stangeland: "set" and tell us what root= prefix= show
[11:49] <TJ-> rootNinja: does Alt+SysRq+B reboot it?
[11:50] <stangeland> TJ-, hmm set shows a lot of things
[11:50] <rootNinja> @TJ - lemme try Alt+SysRq+B.
[11:50] <TJ-> stangeland: right, just tell us the values for root and prefix though
[11:50] <stangeland> TJ-, ahh sry...i will summarize
[11:50] <rootNinja> @mcphail - how can I find out this ?
[11:51] <stangeland> TJ-, prefix=(hd0,gpt2)/boot/grub and root=hd0,gpt2
[11:51] <k1l> rootNinja: what about the logs to see what is actually causing this issue?
[11:51] <stangeland> TJ-, btw. its 4 1TB SSD drives running in a RAID0 configuration
[11:52] <TJ-> stangeland: ok, now do "ls $prefix/" and tell me if you see a grub.cfg file listed?
[11:53] <stangeland> TJ-, yes it is
[11:54] <TJ-> stangeland: OK, that's a good sign too.
[11:54] <stangeland> TJ-, i see gfxblacklist.txt i386-pc/ locale/ fonts/ grubenv grub.cfg
[11:54] <TJ-> stangeland: "insmod normal" then "normal"
[11:55] <stangeland> TJ-, insmod normal did not show anything
[11:55] <TJ-> stangeland: good :)
[11:55] <stangeland> TJ-, neither did normal
[11:55] <TJ-> stangeland: not so good!
[11:56] <stangeland> TJ-, :/ what does that mean?
[11:56] <TJ-> stangeland: the 'normal' module when executed looks for and loads the grub.cfg. Maybe there's nothing in it? "cat $prefix/grub.cfg" - does lots of text go by and do you see things like memtest listed in the last page that remains on-screen?
[11:57] <stangeland> TJ-, uhhh ok this does not look good. When i do that cat command i get: "error: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'
[11:59] <TJ-> stangeland: has the system recently done a firmware (UEFI or BIOS) reset, or have you altered the boot device order?
[11:59] <TJ-> stangeland: because if you've a RAID-0 stripe, the order of the disks as presented to GRUB by the firwamre is critical.
[11:59] <stangeland> TJ-, not delibeately...but ubuntu updates were installed....i dont know if they did anything
[12:00] <TJ-> stangeland: no, the issue I'm thinking of is purely a firmware boot-device ordering issue
[12:00] <TJ-> stangeland: is the system UEFI or BIOS ?
[12:00] <stangeland> TJ-, no...i have not done any firmware upgrades nor changed anything in BIOS
[12:00] <stangeland> TJ-, i dont know if it is UEFI or BIOS. How can i see that?
[12:01] <TJ-> stangeland: the presence of "i386-pc/" tells us it is booting in legacy/BIOS mode at least
[12:01] <stangeland> TJ-, ah ok i see
[12:01] <stangeland> TJ-, should I change anything in BIOS?
[12:01] <TJ-> stangeland: it probably doesn't matter at this point, but I'm trying to build a picture of the permutations in my head :)
[12:02] <TJ-> stangeland: let's consider the 'read outside disk' issue.
[12:02] <stangeland> TJ-, ok i understand. Let me know anything i can type to help you form the picture :D
[12:02] <TJ-> stangeland: This RAID-0 of 4 drives, did you create than in some BIOS Setup screens, or from within the Ubuntu OS?
[12:02] <stangeland> TJ-, i believe i did that in BIOS
[12:03] <VenomByte> and I believe i can fly :D
[12:03] <VenomByte> sorry lol
[12:03] <stangeland> TJ-, i am not entirely sure though...this was some months ago in a stressfull period, but IIRC it was a BIOS setup
[12:04] <stangeland> TJ-, yes getting more sure when i think about it...it was some bios setup screens
[12:06] <TJ-> stangeland: OK, that's what I would expect, so in *theory* the BIOS code should present those 4 devices as 1 logical device to GRUB... what has happpened - for whatever reason - is the boot device isn't the logical RAID device, but the 1st raw underyling device... so when GRUB tries to read any sectors that are further into the device than the end of that 1st disk, it errors
[12:06] <rootNinja> @TJ - alt+sysrq+b is rebooting it. But shutdown is still not working.
[12:06] <TJ-> stangeland: So, I'd suggest rebooting and entering the BIOS Setup screens. Find where it sets the boot device ordering and ensure, if the option exists, that the 'RAID' device is first
[12:06] <numnum> Hello, Question: When running a program like Firefox or Thunderbird from the prompt in Linux Mint, it opens correctly, but doesn't show the prompt anymore, any help?
[12:07] <stangeland> TJ-, ok moment...i will go to BIOS
[12:07] <TJ-> rootNinja: by 'shutdown' do you mean Alt+SysRq+O, or literally "shutdown -hP now" ?
[12:07] <hateball> numnum: append a & at the end of the command to "free up" the terminal. such as "firefox &"
[12:08] <numnum> let me try
[12:08] <rogger_h> Im looking for someone to give me sys admin services with a reasonable price. if someone is a freelancer and want please pm me
[12:08] <rootNinja> @TJ- I tried alt+sysrq +o didn't work.
[12:08] <stangeland> TJ-, ok...i have entered a webbios
[12:09] <numnum> nope, still not the correct return to the prompt...
[12:09] <ikonia> rogger_h: this isn't the place for that type of discussion
[12:10] <TJ-> rootNinja: Don't worry about +O not working, that sometimes isn't configured.
[12:10] <stangeland> TJ-, its "MegaRAID BIOS Config Utility Virtuall Configuration"
[12:10] <hateball> numnum: press enter
[12:10] <hateball> !who | numnum
[12:11] <TJ-> stangeland: Obviously you're on your own as regards working with those Setup screens, but you need to ensure that the 'MegaRAID' device is the first, and only, boot device. You might have to dig, or read the manual, to ensure it is set correctly
[12:11] <hateball> numnum: you may find this useful http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unix-linux-disown-command-examples-usage-syntax/
[12:12] <rootNinja> @TJ - so how do I shutdown my system? It is not shutting down anyway, I have to manually pull the plug.
[12:12] <numnum> Hateball; ty i will look into this, but something makes me understand this may be an add on problem
[12:12] <freakyy> hi all. can anyone help me with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13480438/ it's about the graphics driver ati from their website (manual install)
[12:12] <TJ-> rootNinja: as someone earlier said, that sounds like the ACPI functionality has a problem. Can you "dmesg | pastebinit"
[12:13] <freakyy> rootNinja: type in terminal: shutdown -h now or if u wanna restart: shutdown -r now
[12:14] <freakyy> rootNinja: oh ok then do what TJ- says
[12:14] <nullkuhl> I am using an nvidia driver (its a must for me) and i get Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". on running glxgears, any idea ?
[12:14] <k1l> rootNinja: what about the logs?
[12:15] <numnum> Hateball: Look into this please : (firefox:4268): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Attempt to add property GnomeProgram::sm-connect after class was initialised
[12:15] <numnum> (firefox:4268): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Attempt to add property GnomeProgram::show-crash-dialog after class was initialised
[12:15] <numnum> (firefox:4268): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Attempt to add property GnomeProgram::display after class was initialised
[12:15] <numnum> (firefox:4268): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: Attempt to add property GnomeProgram::default-icon after class was initialised
[12:15] <tesla__> nullkuhl, are you using bumblebee?
[12:15] <nullkuhl> tesla__: no
[12:15] <hateball> !paste | numnum
[12:16] <hateball> numnum: And I am afraid I do not run neither gnome nor firefox
[12:16] <tesla__> nullkuhl, where did you get your drivers from? are you having this problem in a laptop?
[12:16] <numnum> hateball: Ok understood, thanks anyway for the help
[12:16] <Jesterboxboy> i cant copy text from a terminal with a ssh session to external programs?
[12:17] <nullkuhl> tesla__: its a laptop yes with an intel card as well, and i got the driver from ubuntu repo, i have the nvidia-352 installed, along with cuda toolkit
[12:17] <Jesterboxboy> ctr+shift+c dioest work, and if i rightclick the copy is greyed out
[12:17] <Jesterboxboy> any idea?
[12:17] <Jesterboxboy> iam using the standard terminal with ubuntu 14.04
[12:18] <tesla__> nullkuhl, let me guess you are planning to use your laptop for cuda and that's why you need the nvidia drivers and why you tried to test if everything went ok with glxgears?
[12:19] <nullkuhl> tesla__: exactly
[12:19] <nullkuhl> tesla__: do u need me to pastebin any logs ?
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: you didnt mention ubuntu version yet
[12:20] <leohaxor> !help
[12:20] <tesla__> nullkuhl, AFAIK you need to install bumblebee to run optimus on a laptop
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> tesla__: bumblebee is outdated
[12:20] <nullkuhl> tesla__: i heard that bumblebee is outdated,
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> tesla__: nvidia-prime instead now
[12:20] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: ubuntu 14.04
[12:21] <tesla__> lotuspsychje, oh ok
[12:21] <tesla__> nullkuhl, install what lotuspsychje is saying
[12:21] <leohaxor> any poeple use ubuntu 14.04 ??
[12:21] <k1l> bumblebee was to fill the gap as long as nvidia didnt ship nvidia prime officially
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> tesla__: he already has it
[12:21] <nullkuhl> tesla__: i have it already
[12:22] <k1l> leohaxor: better ask a specific question
[12:22] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: these are my devices from lspci http://pastebin.com/i9qTiP10
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: you sure you tested all other drivers from additional drivers list?
[12:23] <SyncopatedFool> Having trouble setting up postfix on Ubuntu server, I have POP3 working properly, but SMTP without authentication won't allow me to send outgoing mail, and I am having troubles setting up authentication.
[12:23] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: yes, it also used to work on a previous installation this same driver version
[12:24] <cfhowlett> SyncopatedFool, might want to jump over to #ubuntu-server with this
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: never worked good on trusty?
[12:24] <SyncopatedFool> cfhowlett thanks! didn't know the subchannel existed
[12:24] <cfhowlett> happy2help! SyncopatedFool
[12:25] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: everything was fine untill i had to install cuda toolkit , then it messed up my driver abit, that i had to remove all then re install nvidia driver again
[12:25] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: i also had to remove a mesa link from alternatives as the nvidia driver would never get activated by prime , and it used to select the mesa one by default
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: not sure the behaviour of cuda+optimus togheter sorry
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: your card shows cuda on the website right?
[12:26] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: am not interested in optimus
[12:26] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: yes, i only need to develop on cuda so i dont care about switching/optimus much
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: , yes but the card needs nvidia-prime if you wanna get it to work
[12:26] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: exactly
[12:26] <stangeland> TJ-, ok there was a boot menu...not in that web setup interface, but after....here i can select boot device: IBA XE Slot 0400 v2205 or UEFI: Built-in EFI Shell or (Bus 81 Dev 00) PCI RAID Adapter. Would i then choose that Raid Adapter?
[12:27] <nullkuhl> and i also used to have an ubuntu 15 installation working with both optimus and cuda fine
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: dig out your syslog and dmesg for whats happening
[12:28] <nullkuhl> ill try purge nvidia* and see how it goes then install it again
[12:28] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: may be that cleans something out
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: ive seen manu users working optimus cards on more early drivers 340 and 346
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> many
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> nullkuhl: lts + nvidia-prime + performance + 340/346
[12:29] <nullkuhl> lotuspsychje: ok ill try that 340 now
[12:34] <TJ-> stangeland: OK, yes, the RAID device. That also tells us the system has UEFI firmware
[12:35] <stangeland> TJ-, hmmm when i choose that i am just being thrown back into that grub> prompt
[12:36] <TJ-> stangeland: right, so we're back to the original problem.
[12:37] <stangeland> TJ-, yes i think so.... so its a different problem?
[12:38] <TJ-> stangeland: the issue is, GRUB is unable to read the 'RAID' device since there is no such thing in reality
[12:38] <TJ-> stangeland: I'm not sure how/why it was originally reading it. Have you recently changed the partition layout or switched to a separate /boot/ partition+file-system ?
[12:38] <stangeland> TJ-, i see ok... so somehow the RAID configuration has been destroyed?
[12:39] <TJ-> stangeland: No... this is a common problem with *FAKE*RAID like this
[12:39] <stangeland> TJ-, no... it might be i have not set it up properly in the first place many mponths ago....but it has been running ok until now...strange that problems would suddently appear now
[12:40] <TJ-> stangeland: the problem is that there is no hardware RAID going on, all the BIOS RAID configuration does is write some 'metadata' to each device describing the layout of the 'array', but the raw devices are still visible to the boot-loader and OS. The OS is expected to contain drivers that understand that fake-RAID metadata and assemble the raw disks into the logical RAID device.
[12:41] <TJ-> stangeland: The GRUB boot-loader is much more limited since it relies on the BIOS to provide services for reading the disks. something seems to have changed in the GRUB configuration that has changed it so it can no longer get to the RAID device
[12:41] <stangeland> TJ-, hmmm i see. interesting. so could those drivers have somehow been deleted?
[12:42] <TJ-> stangeland: do you have the "grub>" prompt right now?
[12:42] <stangeland> TJ-, yeah i have the grub> now
[12:42] <TJ-> stangeland: type "ls" and tell me all the (devices,partitions) it reports please
[12:43] <stangeland> TJ-, ok here it is: (hd0) (hd0,gpt3) (hd0,gpt2) (hd0,gpt1)
[12:43] <pikapi> my usb stick just doesn't work at all
[12:43] <pikapi> everytime I plug it in I have to format it as it says unknown file system
[12:43] <pikapi> what to do
[12:44] <cfhowlett> pikapi, how exactly did you create this USB?
[12:44] <YamakasY> heh which email provider is best for sending monitor messages to ?
[12:44] <pikapi> wrote new mbr in gparted
[12:45] <pikapi> then made two partitions.
[12:45] <cfhowlett> pikapi, usb sticks DO NOT have an mbr. what are you doing?
[12:45] <pikapi> it doesn't?
[12:45] <cfhowlett> pikapi, course not.
[12:46] <pikapi> well it said the device has no mbr . first make mbr then can create partition on it
[12:46] <cfhowlett> use the ubuntu startup disk creator
[12:46] <pikapi> I did
[12:46] <pikapi> but the usb won't become bootable
[12:46] <TJ-> stangeland: OK, so that 'hd0' is presented by BIOS to GRUB, and *should* be the logical RAID device
[12:46] <cfhowlett> pikapi, wait and this is an ubuntu BOOT disk, right? you did NOT install to ubuntu?
[12:46] <cfhowlett> install to USB?
[12:46] <pikapi> the only thing that worked was unetbootin
[12:46] <stangeland> TJ-, right...and for some reason it is not?
[12:47] <TJ-> stangeland: but, as you saw with the 'read beyond end of disk' error, hd0 in fact appears to be the first underlying raw disk
[12:47] <pikapi> yeah. usb in Ubuntu
[12:47] <stangeland> TJ-, so weird
[12:47] <pikapi> I wanted to make usb live session on it
[12:47] <TJ-> stangeland: I was hoping you'd have seen some other 'hdX' values, hd0, hd1, hd2, hd3, representing the underlying raw disks
[12:47] <stangeland> TJ-, so you think this is just a setup issue? Or could it still be broken hardware?
[12:47] <cfhowlett> pikapi, delete all partitions, format at the ext4 in gparted.
[12:48] <pikapi> but then it won't work in windows
[12:48] <boxmein> pikapi: it won't anyway when you want to make it a live usb
[12:48] <TJ-> stangeland: Well, I work on the GRUB source-code, and I've just double-checked and there is no specific support for LSI MegaRAID fake-RAID, only Nvidia RAID
[12:48] <boxmein> technically I've also made a two-partition USB with the first partition being NTFS for mass-storage and the second being archlinux
[12:48] <cfhowlett> pikapi, wait, what?
[12:49] <pikapi> previously I used universal usb installer. that had ntfs file system on partition 1 and partition 2 was ext4
[12:49] <boxmein> and it worked exactly as one would make a regular usb stick, only the install location is now /dev/sdc2
[12:49] <stangeland> TJ-, i see.....but what could be a logical reason for it to have worked earlier then...it has been running on the grub loader for a while
[12:49] <pikapi> I could use it on windows too
[12:49] <cfhowlett> sorry, format as ntfs for a boot, pikapi but still, NO MBR needed
[12:49] <k1l> cfhowlett: live usbs have fat FS iirc.
[12:49] <k1l> pikapi: just "dd" the ubuntu iso onto the usb.
[12:49] <cfhowlett> k1l, correct, I'm about to get off of IRC. been here too long already.
[12:50] <pikapi> I did dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sda1
[12:50] <Ira_L> Boot Repair Report Difficulties http://paste.ubuntu.com/13488855/
[12:50] <boxmein> pikapi: doesn't that mess some stuff up
[12:50] <pikapi> but usb was not bootable.
[12:50] <TJ-> stangeland: the only thing I can imagine is this. The file-system containing the /boot/grub/ directory starts on the 1st disk but spans into the 2nd disk. Originally, on first installation, that directory and its files were all on the 1st disk and therefore readable. Later, as the file-system filled up, and updates to GRUB were installed, the dirs/files ended up on another underlying disk, so now they're
[12:50] <TJ-> unreachable
[12:50] <pikapi> all files got copied. and fs became iso
[12:51] <pikapi> is there any way to make the usb bootable from Ubuntu? or I go back to windows to make it?
[12:51] <Ira_L> Dual Boot Problems with windows 10 and ubuntu 15.10 boot-repair didn't fix Boot Repair Report Difficulties http://paste.ubuntu.com/13488855/
[12:52] <stangeland> TJ-, i see. Thats an interesting theory. So what you are saying is that the system was always setup wrong, but by luck (because of the ~large disk size) i only first find out now
[12:52] <TJ-> stangeland: yes, I think that sums it up.
[12:52] <cfhowlett> pikapi, the usb must have the /boot and /lba flags set.
[12:52] <TJ-> stangeland: I'm trying to think of a way out of it :)
[12:52] <boxmein> pikapi: shooting from the hip here, but the iso might have some header/trailer parts with the partition table already, so dd-ing it into a partition won't work while dd-ing it into the entire device would
[12:53] <pikapi> so I do dd if=iso of=/dev/sdb
[12:53] <pikapi> instead of sdb1 ?
[12:53] <TJ-> boxmein: that's it with Ubuntu ISO images, 100%. They're hybrid bootable, so if they're installed in a partition some boot-loader that is able to load/boot ISOs must be installed on that device, too
[12:54] <stangeland> TJ-, i can wipe the machine....it does not contain anything important right now...all code on it is in a repository on a different machine already
[12:54] <TJ-> pikapi: Yes, NEVER write an ISO you want to be bootable, to a partition, it needs to start at sector 0 of the raw (whole) physical device
[12:54] <stangeland> TJ-, I have to run for 30 minutes. Are you here for a while still?
[12:54] <pikapi> ok. I will try that . gimme 5minutes
[12:54] <TJ-> stangeland: possibly :)
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> Ira_L: make your life easy and install ubuntu single
[12:55] <stangeland> TJ-, ok...crossing my fingers hehe. be back soon. Thanks for your help so far
[12:55] <pikapi> but how come it worked with unetbootin from partition
[12:56] <TJ-> pikapi: because unetbootin installs a boot-loader that knows how to chainload ISO images
[12:56] <pikapi> ah
[12:57] <ubone> What is the command to associate .torrent with transmission (cli/daemon) for web interface with chrom*/mozilla?
[12:57] <TJ-> !info grub-bootimage | pikapi GRUB provides additional functionality to do that, too
[12:57] <TJ-> !info grub-imageboot | pikapi GRUB provides additional functionality to do that, too
[12:57] <pikapi> ok. let me go step by step
[12:58] <pikapi> rn I deleted all partitions on disk
[12:58] <pikapi> now made single primary ext4 partition
[12:59] <pikapi> now what to do?
[12:59] <cfhowlett> pikapi, delete it. you need ntfs / fat32 for a bootable USB
[12:59] <pikapi> oh
[12:59] <Ira_L> On Dual boot win10/U 15.10 grub knocked off by windows boot-repair-didn't fix Boot Repair Report Difficulties http://paste.ubuntu.com/13488855/
[13:00] <pikapi> now it is ntfs
[13:01] <pikapi> now I will do dd if=iso of=/dev/sdb ?
[13:01] <pikapi> or sdb1?
[13:01] <boxmein> ubone, can you run cat /usr/share/applications/transmission-gtk.desktop | grep MimeType
[13:02] <boxmein> ubone: just a sanity check :P
[13:02] <pikapi> I did /dev/sdb . lets see if it works
[13:02] <ubone> i dont have the gtk ui, only cli
[13:03] <pikapi> this is too complicated. someone should write a small script or something.
[13:03] <pikapi> I didn't even know it needs a ntfs/fat device to boot
[13:04] <Spaceeman> Hi :)
[13:04] <cfhowlett> !usb | pikapi,
[13:04] <TJ-> pikapi: there is absolutely no point in partitioning and creating a file system if you're writing the ISO image to the raw device, since that will over-write the partition table and file-system you just put on the device
[13:04] <Spaceeman> About printing to a file (pdf),
[13:04] <pikapi> oh man
[13:04] <Spaceeman> Can we edit some configuration?
[13:04] <Spaceeman> like marges size...
[13:04] <boxmein> ubone: https://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/MagnetLinks might help you
[13:05] <TJ-> pikapi: what are you trying to achieve, forgetting the process, tell us what you want the edn result to be capable of?
[13:05] <pikapi> now in gpart it says /dev/sdb1 fs unkown size 1014.97 flags boot,hidden
[13:05] <pikapi> I just want a bootable usb stick wjich has a live session
[13:06] <TJ-> pikapi: OK, then using "dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdX ..." is all you need do to create that.
[13:06] <lotuspsychje> Spaceeman: inkscape perhaps?
[13:06] <TJ-> pikapi: I thought you might be also wanting another file-system on the device for storing and sharing files persistently
[13:06] <ikonia> would unetbootin not make this easy
[13:06] <pikapi> but now it the flags say boot and hidden and fs=unknown
[13:06] <ikonia> gui tool - select the device, select the iso
[13:07] <Spaceeman> lotuspsychje: thanks but it's not why I'm lloking for :(
[13:07] <TJ-> pikapi: Ignore that, the ISO images are hybrid bootable, they can boot from DVD (using ISO9660 El Torito), from BIOS (using MBR) and from UEFI (using GPT+EFI-SP)
[13:07] <pikapi> ikonia the default option in unetbootin launches busybox and I can't scroll down because I have usb keyboard
[13:07] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> Spaceeman: alot of online pdfs editors out there also
[13:07] <ikonia> unetbootin does not luanch busy box
[13:08] <pikapi> I removed the hidden flag
[13:08] <ikonia> it launches the iso you write to it
[13:08] <pikapi> ikonia for me it launched busybox, <initramfs> command prompt
[13:08] <Spaceeman> In many softxare, when you print, you can chose "To a file" (PDF) Then, there are some marges... I'm looking for rediuse this marges size to obtaine a grather image in the PDF resulting.
[13:08] <TJ-> pikapi: 'busybox' will be the shell inside the initial ramdisk of the Linux image
[13:08] <cfhowlett> pikapi, not sure why you have a hidden flag. I don't.
[13:09] <pikapi> cfhowlett I will reboot and see if it works
[13:09] <TJ-> pikapi: that happens because the kernel, and the scripts in the initial ramdisk image, cannot find the root file-system
[13:09] <pikapi> should I enable lba flag too?
[13:09] <TJ-> pikapi: do not change anything! The ISO image is perfect as it is.
[13:10] <TJ-> pikapi: if the ISO image, on the raw device, doesn't boot at all (as opposed to getting so far and then getting stuck), that's another matter.
[13:10] <ubone> pikapi, dd bs=4M if=/path/to/buntu.iso of=/dev/sdx && sync no sda1
[13:10] <pikapi> didn't work. stuck on oem logo
[13:11] <stangeland> TJ-, are you still here? :)
[13:11] <TJ-> pikapi: so it did work, as in it booted but got stuck later.
[13:11] <TJ-> stangeland: I wish I weren't :)
[13:11] <pikapi> ok. I will retry unet then
[13:11] <caf4926> I want to ask about 14.04.1 compared to 14.04.3 and if 14.04.3 is LTS to 2019?
[13:11] <SyncopatedFool> Have yet to have anyone in #ubuntu-server answer my questions, ok to ask here about postfix?
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> !lts | caf4926
[13:12] <stangeland> TJ-, hehe...people are pulling your hair eh? :)
[13:12] <TJ-> stangeland: I can't find any straight-forward way to move files within an ext* file-system to the 'start' of the space. 'e4defrag' might help but unlikely.
[13:12] <stangeland> TJ-, ok...so do you think wiping the system and configuring differently could solve my problems?
[13:12] <caf4926> ! funny, the bot doesn't really understand my question
[13:12] <pikapi> I think I killed the usb somehow
[13:13] <caf4926> lol
[13:13] <stangeland> TJ-, maybe reconfigure the raid also
[13:13] <ubone> How should I edit mimetype file to enable chromium to open transmission web UI when I click on the downloaded torrent in chromium's bottom download bar/line?
[13:13] <stangeland> TJ-, the reason its running raid 0 is because it needs to support a lot of cores writing to a lot of small files simultaneously very quickly
[13:13] <TJ-> stangeland: If you can afford to re-install, I'd suggest doing that, and when you get to the partitioning stage create 2 small partitions first, the first being a 512MB FAT32 file-system for EFI-SP, and a 2nd 2MB for BIOS Boot, which are guaranteed to be at the start of the underlying disk as well as the start of the RAID-0 span
[13:14] <pikapi> with the usb plugged in and ububtu booting it says usb 1-1.1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[13:14] <TJ-> stangeland: also, I'd recommend installing in UEFI mode rather than Legacy/BIOS assuming the MegaRAID device is visible from UEFI boot-loader stage
[13:14] <pikapi> and also read/8
[13:14] <TJ-> pikapi: OK, so the USB device is failing on the link
[13:15] <caf4926> so am I correct that actually we will get 14.04.4 and then .5 and it's .5 that will extend it to 2019
[13:15] <caf4926> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2BAC8-Support.A14.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support
[13:15] <TJ-> pikapi: it is possible the image written to the USB device was corrupted, or that reading it back is corrupting it
[13:15] <pikapi> so now
[13:16] <pikapi> the image works when I have unetboot write it
[13:16] <TJ-> pikapi: after you did the 'dd' write operation did you 'sync' to ensure all the data in the RAM cache was flushed to the device, before you unplugged it?
[13:17] <k1l> caf4926: you have 2 kernels who have long term support. the 14.04 3.13 and the 16.04 4.XX kernel. so either you stay on the 3.13 or you upgrade the kernel until you are on the 16.04 backports kernel
[13:17] <TJ-> stangeland: in addition to that, you should create as the 3rd partition a separate /boot/ file-system of about 1GB to store GRUB files, the kernel images and supporting initrd.img files
[13:17] <ikonia> k1l: are they back porting non-released kernels now ?
[13:18] <caf4926> k1l: but the other software continues to be patched too regardless of whether you install 14.04.1 or .3?
[13:18] <k1l> ikonia: no. its when 16.04 is released their kernel gets backported for testing to 14.04 and is put officially in the enablement stack for 14.04.5
[13:18] <TJ-> pikapi: when I write ISOs to USB, I first test boot them in a virtual machine
[13:18] <SyncopatedFool> Having trouble setting up postfix on Ubuntu server, I have POP3 working properly, but SMTP without authentication won't allow me to send outgoing mail, and I am having troubles setting up authentication.
[13:19] <ikonia> k1l: sorry thought you where saying it was there now, hence my surprise
[13:20] <k1l> caf4926: the point releases are like the servicepacks on windows. they summarize all updates until that day. additionaly they include the backports kernel and xorg stuff in the enablement stack
[13:20] <nitish> how can I install java?
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> !java | nitish
[13:20] <k1l> nitish: install the open jre from the repos
[13:20] <stangeland> TJ-, i see ok. Very good comments. Do you have more hints you think would be valueble ?
[13:21] <caf4926> k1l: ty
[13:21] <TJ-> stangeland: those should protect you sufficiently
[13:21] <pTBD> Hello. I am using Ubuntu precise and am in the need of python 3.4.3 but official repos only provide 3.4.2. Should I build from source or is there another (easier) way to install?
[13:22] <pTBD> say other repository
[13:22] <jpds> pTBD: Upgrade to trusty.
[13:22] <cfhowlett> !precise | pTBD
[13:22] <TJ-> stangeland: although I'd also suggest using LVM in the install process, so you (re)assign space in the future (I usually leave at least 10% unallocated and available)
[13:23] <cfhowlett> pTBD, you can upgrade directly to 14.04 as it's also an LTS release.
[13:23] <pTBD> jpds: yeah, thanks. but no. Precise is the software running on a private cloud thing I have and I am not going to update that.
[13:23] <jpds> pTBD: It would be a _terrible_ idea to build such a core component from source
[13:23] <TJ-> pTBD: install a 14.04 chroot, run it from that
[13:23] <pTBD> hmm
[13:25] <stangeland> TJ-, you have really been a great help to me. Thank you so much
[13:25] <pikapi> sorry my phone battery exhausted
[13:26] <pikapi> I used unetboot again. and now it is again in initramfs
[13:26] <rimdeker> Anybody here got any experience with asciidoc? Not sure where else I can ask
[13:26] <pTBD> different question. Am I doing something wrong or why can't I find pip or virtualenv in the repos? since python 3.4.2 is used in precise, shouldn't there be those packages in the repos? AFAIK in debian they are
[13:26] <pikapi> cannot mount /dev/loop0 it says
[13:26] <pikapi> what can I do
[13:27] <TJ-> pikapi: that'll be because due to what unetbootin did, the ISO's root file-system is no longer where the code expects it to be
[13:27] <pikapi> yeah. I removed the other usb on which the iso was
[13:28] <ioria> !info python-pip precise
[13:28] <pTBD> I think thats python2 pip
[13:29] <pikapi> I am very tempted to go back to windows to install it . No tool on ubuntu is somehow able to gice me a bootable usb
[13:29] <k1l> pikapi: use "dd"
[13:30] <k1l> pikapi: and md5sum the .iso first to make sure its a clean ubuntu iso
[13:30] <pikapi> It is
[13:30] <k1l> pikapi: did you md5sum?
[13:30] <pikapi> I am 100% sure it is
[13:30] <k1l> what md5sum it is?
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> pikapi: wich ubuntu version are you on, and wich are you gonna put on usb?
[13:30] <TJ-> pikapi: it might help to 'md5sum' the image on the USb after writing it, to be sure it got stored correctly
[13:30] <pikapi> 14.04 and same
[13:31] <cfhowlett> pikapi, you're on 14.04 now?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> dd works well pikapi, much better than those aother apps like unetbootin etc
[13:31] <pikapi> now how to see the md5
[13:31] <k1l> i dont understand the issue? check the md5sum to get facts. then use dd to burn it onto the usb.
[13:32] <cfhowlett> pikapi, you're on 14.04 now?
[13:32] <pikapi> yeah . m on 14.04
[13:32] <pikapi> and the iso is same too
[13:33] <cfhowlett> pikapi, so why don't you use the default ubuntu-startup-disk-creator???
[13:34] <k1l> !md5sum | pikapi
[13:34] <pikapi> didn't give a bootable usb
[13:34] <luqman_> i don't know, i am the new linux user
[13:34] <pikapi> nothing makes the usb bootable except unetboot
[13:34] <cfhowlett> pikapi, false. startup disk creator makes workable USB's out of the box
[13:35] <k1l> pikapi: so what is the .isos md5sum?
[13:35] <luqman_> Rufus can do it, to make bootable usb.
[13:35] <pikapi> there is nothingon the usb
[13:35] <pikapi> it is blank o.O
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> pikapi: open a tail -f /var/log/syslog while you plugin usb and create the stick
[13:37] <luqman_> are you serius?
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> luqman_: can we help you?
[13:37] <cfhowlett> !behelpful | luqman_,
[13:39] <luqman_> No, i just new linux user. i wont study.
[13:39] <pikapi> I am using startup disk creator again
[13:39] <pikapi> now hope it works
[13:39] <k1l> pikapi: stop
[13:39] <pikapi> stop?
[13:39] <k1l> pikapi: make a md5sum check on the .iso first
[13:40] <k1l> lets not waste time again and get some facts now to really see what is the issue
[13:40] <pikapi> oh. how to do it
[13:40] <TJ-> pikapi: you're misreporting the facts, which doesn't help. You told us earlier the USB *boots* but gets stuck at the logo splash screen, didn't you?
[13:40] <k1l> ....
[13:40] <k1l> !md5sum | pikapi
[13:41] <cfhowlett> pikapi, wait what? You STILL haven't done the md5sum!?
[13:41] <cfhowlett> bad facts [13:43] <pikapi> the iso is the same I used to get the current ubuntu running. It didn't occur to me that the iso could be corrupt
[13:43] <pikapi> I can even mount it without error
[13:43] <pikapi> let me check md5 anyway
[13:43] <TJ-> pikapi: to verify the MD5 sum of the image after writing it to the USB, do "DEV=/dev/sdX; ISO=Downloads/ubuntu-15.10-server-i386.iso; SZ=$(stat -c %s ${ISO}); sudo dd if=$DEV count=1 bs=$SZ | md5sum - "
[13:44] <TJ-> pikapi: replace the values of DEV and ISO to ones that match your system
[13:44] <VenomByte> dd is fun lol
[13:45] <TJ-> pikapi: the reason for the somewhat complicated command is you have to have the MD5 calculated on the exact same number of bytes that were written - and most USBs are larger than the ISO they contain, so an MD5 sum of the entire device would never match the ISO image
[13:46] <pikapi> tj-there is already a md5sum.txt file on the usb having md5 of all folders
[13:46] <TJ-> pikapi: that's not the same thing at all
[13:47] <TJ-> pikapi: that doesn't cover the boot-loader, the file-system structure, the layout of the ISO image
[13:47] <TJ-> pikapi: that doesn't cover the boot-loader, the file-system structure, the layout of the ISO image
[13:48] <TJ-> pikapi: a single bit being flipped 0 or 1 is enough to cause the thing to fail
[13:48] <pikapi> tj- sorry teej. I give up :"( I can't get this to work
[13:48] <pikapi> I will go back to the windows tool >.<"
[13:48] <k1l> pikapi: why dont you want to run md5sum on the iso? you were asked a lot of times now. what is the issue?
[13:49] <k1l> pikapi: you make it very hard to support you if you refuse to bring some facts
[13:49] <pikapi> k1l rn I am on phone and internet is not available on computer
[13:49] <k1l> pikapi: you dont need internet to run a md5sum check
[13:50] <pikapi> I did md5 and it said md5 command not found.
[13:50] <ikonia> this is pointless
[13:50] <ikonia> information is not being shared
[13:50] <ikonia> instructions are not being followed
[13:50] <EriC^^> pikapi: typo, md5sum
[13:50] <ikonia> I actually advise you give up - your attitude is not going to get you help/support
[13:50] <k1l> pikapi: ok, so you dont even read the wiki page with all the informations
[13:51] <k1l> pikapi: so stop asking in here if you dont want to be helped anyway.
[13:52] <pikapi> alrite wait. I think it is calculating it now
[13:53] <pikapi> 0bc058cdc75fb75d4922c7c74c4cd6b1
[13:53] <pikapi> the iso is ububtu 14.04lts 32bit
[13:53] <EriC^^> !hashes
[13:54] <k1l> ok, the md5sum matches ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-i386.iso
[13:54] <EriC^^> pikapi: it matches
[13:54] <EriC^^> pikapi: what's the problem btw?
[13:54] <k1l> so now use "dd" to bring it to /dev/sdx where x is your usb drive
[13:55] <TJ-> pikapi: now verify the USB, do "DEV=/dev/sdX; ISO=ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-i386.iso; SZ=$(stat -c %s ${ISO}); sudo dd if=$DEV count=1 bs=$SZ | md5sum - "
[13:55] <pikapi> the usb won't boot if I use startup disk creator on Ubuntu or dd
[13:55] <TJ-> pikapi: set DEV and ISO correctly
[13:55] <EriC^^> pikapi: what happens when you try to boot it?
[13:55] <pikapi> and if I use unetbootin it boots but goes to initramfs
[13:55] <TJ-> EriC^^: last time it hung on the splash screen.
[13:56] <EriC^^> probably a bad usb pikapi
[13:56] <pikapi> eric gets stucked on oem logo. and goes forward only if usb removed
[13:56] <ikonia> stop repeating the same thing and follow the command TJ- has given you
[13:56] <EriC^^> pikapi: do you have another usb you could use?
[13:56] <pikapi> yes
[13:56] <TJ-> pikapi: check the MD5 of the USB, make sure it matches the one you just got for the ISO image
[13:56] <EriC^^> pikapi: try a different usb
[13:57] <TJ-> EriC^^: wait, you're introducing confusion and there's enough of that already.
[13:58] <pikapi> tj- omg thats a big command. will take 10minutes to type it o.O and will make 7-8 errors also
[13:59] <TJ-> pikapi: I don't know how you manage it, but going back through my logs you've been in this situation at least once before (5th November) - the number and type of issues you've brought to us here suggest you don't follow the instructions correctly, or else, you've got a system with bad RAM that is corrupting things randomly.
[14:00] <EriC^^> pikapi: it's not complicated really, you can try it to see if the iso on the usb is damaged, or try a different usb and see if it works
[14:01] <EriC^^> sudo dd if=/dev/sdb count=1 bs=$( stat -c %s /path/to/iso) | md5sum -
[14:01] <EriC^^> if you want to try TJ- 's command for the usb, try the above, make sure you use the right /dev/sdX and /path/to/iso
[14:05] <pikapi> tj- like I said the usb randomly stops workingevery 3 days and I just format it and reinstall but this time it didn't act up for 15-3weeks till yesterday. and I went to format it. but this time I don't have the windows tool I always used. I tried every tool in Ubuntu. unet, startup disk, dd. I swear I just want to throw the computer out the Window. but I felt strongly people here are very skilled and can make it work :)
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> pikapi: do you mix your usb sticks around windows and ubuntu for use?
[14:07] <TJ-> pikapi: is that always using it on the same PC, or on different PCs
[14:08] <pikapi> tj- same pc
[14:09] <TJ-> pikapi: do you plug/unplug the USB device frequently? One of the drawbacks to those is that over time the physical stress of insertion/removal can cause the solder between USB plug and PCB to fracture, leading to high resistance and corrupted transfers. I've had to repair several by reflowing solder and flux
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> pikapi: try a tail -f /var/log/syslog and plugin your usb, then pastebin us the output
[14:11] <pikapi> tj- never. it is in the back slot since eternity. I don't even turn the computer off
[14:18] <robotti^> hello
[14:18] <robotti^> How to install ubuntu to macbook beside osx
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> !mac | robotti^
[14:19] <VenomByte> robotti^: gl :D
[14:19] <robotti^> lotuspsychje: I already read that
[14:20] <robotti^> I am just wondering what I am doing wrong
[14:20] <robotti^> because grub could not install
[14:21] <VenomByte> robotti^: why not? maybe wrong bios mode?
[14:21] <VenomByte> robotti^: any error code?
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> robotti^: wait until EriC^^ comes back, he might help dualboot efi stuff
[14:21] <VenomByte> robotti^: i guess u need to install it in EFI + GPT mode
[14:21] <robotti^> I am trying install biosmode?
[14:21] <robotti^> because I am going to use nvidia driver
[14:22] <robotti^> VenomByte: it just say it could not install grub on partition
[14:23] <robotti^> some years ago I installed ubuntu beside osx, but I do not really remember what I did do :)
[14:24] <robotti^> maybe I must modified my partition table?
[14:25] <EriC^^> robotti^: you need to let grub install for mac, and then bless the file so the mac boots it
[14:25] <robotti^> failed attempt :)
[14:25] <VenomByte> robotti^: if im right you atleast need a ~1MB free space for the bootloader and atleast one partition to install root '/' on
[14:26] <VenomByte> robotti^: also install the bootloader on the DRIVE and not on a partition
[14:26] <robotti^> one boot partition?
[14:26] <VenomByte> robotti^:
[14:26] <robotti^> I did try install drive
[14:26] <VenomByte> robotti^: no
[14:26] <TJ-> robotti^: for a BIOS-boot installation of GRUB, it needs somewhere to put the core.img: either ~2000 sectors spare between the hybrid MBR, primary GPT and first partition, or a BIOS Boot partition of at least 1MB
[14:26] <robotti^> but it could not
[14:27] <fsociety[00]dat> can I skip the select and install software section while installing ubuntu via mini.iso in expert mode?
[14:27] <robotti^> TJ-: So where I must install bios-boot?
[14:27] <lotuspsychje> fsociety[00]dat: any reason you using minimal?
[14:28] <robotti^> TJ-: so I reinstall ubuntu?
[14:28] <EriC^^> robotti^: can you boot a live usb?
[14:28] <robotti^> reboot with install media
[14:28] <fsociety[00]dat> lotuspsychje: I will select all my needs later.
[14:28] <robotti^> EriC^^: I am running live usb
[14:28] <robotti^> but I just try it with live installer
[14:28] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:28] <EriC^^> robotti^: no problem
[14:29] <meo> can i schedule a startup time and a start up time for my computer in ubuntu ??
[14:29] <robotti^> EriC^^: should I write that commandline
[14:29] <VenomByte> EriC^^: what does nc do?
[14:29] <meo> I mean and a shutdown time *
[14:29] <EriC^^> robotti^: yes
[14:29] <EriC^^> VenomByte: netcat
[14:29] <VenomByte> EriC^^: thanks :)
[14:29] <EriC^^> meo: there's the rtcwake
[14:29] <EriC^^> man rtcwake for more info
[14:30] <VenomByte> EriC^^: i see
[14:30] <robotti^> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/v7tv
[14:30] <EriC^^> VenomByte: handy, right?
[14:30] <EriC^^> :)
[14:31] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, here's the deal, mac needs the efi partition to be hfs+ to boot the efi file from it
[14:32] <VenomByte> EriC^^: yes i didn't know that command :1
[14:32] <robotti^> EriC^^: so, what that means?
[14:32] <EriC^^> robotti^: type sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[14:32] <EriC^^> robotti^: we need to convert it to hfs+
[14:32] <robotti^> on ubuntu?
[14:32] <EriC^^> then tell grub to install there, then "bless" the file so mac will boot it
[14:33] <EriC^^> robotti^: yeah, type the first command so we can see what's in the efi partition right now
[14:33] <robotti^> EriC^^: I mounted
[14:33] <meo> EriC^^ : what is the command to make my computer shutdown in 9 pm and start up when it's 4 am ????
[14:34] <robotti^> EriC^^: in /mnt there is EFI
[14:34] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, type ls -lR /mnt | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:34] <EriC^^> robotti^: you're dual booting with osx right now?
[14:34] <fcs> try sudo shutdown -P -h
[14:34] <EriC^^> cause i thought mac needed the efi to be hfs+
[14:34] <robotti^> EriC^^: yes. but without working ubuntu installation
[14:35] <killall> where can i get support libevdev?
[14:35] <EriC^^> robotti^: so osx is in uefi mode?
[14:35] <meo> EriC^^ ; and does the computer consume battery in sleep state ??
[14:35] <robotti^> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/5n02
[14:35] <robotti^> EriC^^: I do not know
[14:35] <dersand> Allright, i'm having a bit of an issue. I have an usb with ubuntu on it. But when i'm booting it, the purple ubuntu screen with the 5 small round loading icons show, but then it hangs. No monitor output, but the computer is still alive
[14:36] <robotti^> EriC^^: I have installed refind
[14:36] <EriC^^> robotti^: that boots osx usually?
[14:36] <robotti^> now
[14:36] <robotti^> yes
[14:36] <EriC^^> i think you can add ubuntu to that, the method i was talking about was to use the standard mac bootloader
[14:37] <robotti^> EriC^^: is there bios support?
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> dersand: ubuntu version?
[14:37] <meo> EriC^^ : ??
[14:37] <robotti^> EriC^^: because of proprietary nvidia driver for linux
[14:37] <EriC^^> meo: i dunno much about it
[14:37] <robotti^> EriC^^: so what's about know?
[14:38] <dersand> lotuspsychje: if i have the iso, where can i check it? I've renamed the iso file
[14:39] <robotti^> EriC^^: should I reinstall ubuntu?
[14:39] <meo> EriC^^; and obviously no body knows about it cause no one tried to reply , right ..
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> !patience | meo
[14:39] <EriC^^> robotti^: no
[14:39] <robotti^> EriC^^: what about know? :D
[14:40] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, well it says refind should pick up grub if it's in the efi partition, fat32 or hfs+, anyways it's not there so you have to install grub there
[14:41] <EriC^^> robotti^: type sudo umount /mnt
[14:41] <EriC^^> then sudo mount /dev/sda6 /mnt
[14:41] <TJ-> dersand: that sounds like the GPU driver is getting something wrong, and either switching to an unconnected output, or else trying to select a mode that is out of range of the monitor. Both would cause the symptom you describe. Have you tried Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a text terminal, in case that's enough to 'wake' it up?
[14:41] <robotti^> EriC^^: done
[14:42] <EriC^^> robotti^: type sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot/efi
[14:43] <dersand> TJ-: If i press the computer power button i get to the screen that says "please remove the installation media and clost the tray(if any) then press enter:"
[14:43] <TJ-> dersand: so this is purely a Live Desktop ISO image on the USB ?
[14:43] <robotti^> EriC^^: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/boot/efi
[14:43] <robotti^> mount: mount point /mnt/boot/efi does not exist
[14:44] <TJ-> dersand: sounds like you may need to interupt the start-up process and add 'nomodeset' to the kernel's boot options. Is it booting in Legacy BIOS, or UEFI, mode, ?
[14:44] <dersand> TJ-: Yes
[14:44] <EriC^^> robotti^: hmm, type cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:44] <meo> EriC^^ : i want my computer to do that by default , not when i want it to go to sleep type the command , and rtcwake doesnt specify shutdown/sleep time only wake up time
[14:44] <robotti^> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/t6zt
[14:44] <EriC^^> meo: you can use cron to run the commands at specific times
[14:45] <TJ-> meo: simply use "shutdown" you can tell it what time to do it! see "man shutdown"
[14:45] <EriC^^> TJ-: he wants to have it sleep then wake up at specific times, i suggested rtcwake
[14:46] <EriC^^> robotti^: it looks like you have ubuntu installed in legacy mode, you need it installed in uefi mode
[14:46] <TJ-> EriC^^: meo Oh, you mean suspend?
[14:46] <robotti^> EriC^^: it is mac install media, so no uefi mode
[14:46] <meo> TJ-> ; i wnant to schedule a shutdown time and a start up time for my computer , and make it do it by default
[14:46] <EriC^^> robotti^: easiest thing would be to reinstall ubuntu in uefi mode, but make sure in the installer NOT to choose reinstall ubuntu, that will erase your entire disk, use the Something else option to specify which partitions to install ubuntu to'
[14:46] <meo> TJ- ; well Yes
[14:47] <EriC^^> robotti^: what do you mean? you can't boot the live usb in uefi mode?
[14:47] <robotti^> EriC^^: it means that
[14:47] <TJ-> meo: well, if it's a real shutdown, not an S3 suspend-to-RAM, rtcwake + a cron job, or "shutdown <time>" will do it
[14:47] <robotti^> EriC^^: on mac ubuntu media, there is no uefi support, only bios
[14:47] <dersand> TJ-: Does it matter if the output from the computer comes from the internal or the graphics card?
[14:47] <TJ-> meo: if you want to suspend you'd need to call pm_suspend from a cron job
[14:47] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, np we can try to convert it to uefi
[14:48] <EriC^^> robotti^: type sudo blkid /dev/sda1
[14:48] <TJ-> dersand: ahhh, is the PC an Optimus (hybrid GPUs) system?
[14:48] <EriC^^> robotti^: then in another terminal, type sudo nano /mnt/etc/fstab
[14:48] <EriC^^> robotti^: add the line UUID=<uuid you got from blkid> /boot/efi vfat defaults 0 1
[14:48] <EriC^^> to /mnt/etc/fstab
[14:49] <gerep> Hello good people. I just created this upstart script and for some odd reason it is starting my poxa server one time after another, non-stop: https://gist.github.com/gerep/fa8598d6dfb81ba20198
[14:49] <gerep> What am I missing?
[14:51] <robotti^> EriC^^: UUID=<70D6-1701>I/boot/efiIvfatIdefaultsI0I1
[14:51] <robotti^> are you sure?
[14:52] <robotti^> EriC^^: done
[14:52] <dersand> TJ-: I'm not sure, here however: https://dl2.pushbulletusercontent.com/9ZrGVH2nfUfandyYdwoWihEOiZiAfKaf/20151124_154540.jpg
[14:53] <EriC^^> robotti^: that doesn't look right
[14:53] <EriC^^> robotti^: mine is like this UUID=9094-CDF4 /boot/efi vfat defaults 0 1
[14:53] <EriC^^> use sudo blkid /dev/sda1 to get your uuid
[14:53] <robotti^> EriC^^: you ot I I I I where should not be :)
[14:53] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok :)
[14:54] <robotti^> you got
[14:54] <robotti^> okay, but is done without I but with spaces
[14:54] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, type cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:54] <robotti^> EriC^^: what now?
[14:54] <EriC^^> now we have to install grub-efi
[14:55] <nullkuhl> i have installed windows 10 then ubunto on efi , but now i boot to ubuntu directly, is there a way to fix the bootloader that it recognizes windows again ?
[14:55] <robotti^> EriC^^: but does legacy drivers work with grub-efi?
[14:56] <EriC^^> robotti^: yeah uefi and legacy is just the booting method
[14:56] <EriC^^> legacy drivers and stuff are different
[14:57] <robotti^> EriC^^: okay, what now?
[14:57] <EriC^^> nullkuhl: try sudo update-grub
[14:57] <EriC^^> robotti^: type cat /mnt/etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:58] <nullkuhl> EriC^^: i just did dist-upgrade i think it recognized windows, will reboot and see
[14:58] <eahmedshendy> I am studying Upstart, and I got this error: sudo initctl emit testEvent
[14:58] <eahmedshendy> initctl: Event failed
[14:58] <junobi> Hi there
[14:59] <robotti^> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/6lm9
[14:59] <eahmedshendy> This is my upstart script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13492998/
[14:59] <k1l_> eahmedshendy: that doesnt sound like upstart. initctl is systemd right?
[14:59] <robotti^> EriC^^: grub.efi booting will not support driver Nvidia on MBP41.
[14:59] <EriC^^> robotti^: remove the "<" and ">" after UUID
[14:59] <robotti^> why does it says that
[15:00] <EriC^^> robotti^: why does what say that?
[15:00] <eahmedshendy> k1l_: mmm, I don't know, I follow the tutorial and it just uses this command
[15:00] <robotti^> EriC^^: that grub.efi booting will not support Nvidia driver
[15:00] <EriC^^> robotti^: where did you get that info?
[15:00] <k1l_> !upstart | eahmedshendy
[15:01] <robotti^> EriC^^: For me, booting Ubuntu in UEFI mode with the Nvidia drivers loaded, also always resulted in the well-known black screen when X was started.
[15:01] <robotti^> EriC^^: from google
[15:01] <eahmedshendy> ubottu: I already check that link
[15:01] <eahmedshendy> ubottu: hhhh
[15:01] <k1l_> eahmedshendy: sudo service <servicename> start
[15:01] <k1l_> eahmedshendy: that is upstart
[15:01] <robotti^> EriC^^: but what next?
[15:02] <eahmedshendy> k1l_: So how to emit event?
[15:02] <EriC^^> robotti^: that sounds wrong
[15:02] <EriC^^> robotti^: did you fix UUID= ?
[15:02] <k1l_> eahmedshendy: emit?
[15:02] <eahmedshendy> k1l_: sudo service test start ... start: Job failed to start
[15:02] <eahmedshendy> k1l_: I mean emit event
[15:03] <robotti^> EriC^^: I did fix it
[15:03] <eahmedshendy> k1l_: The script start on emitted event I called it testEvent
[15:03] <robotti^> EriC^^: http://askubuntu.com/questions/264247/proprietary-nvidia-drivers-with-efi-on-mac-to-prevent-overheating
[15:03] <robotti^> from here
[15:03] <robotti^> EriC^^: First you are correct. You can not use EFI mode and the proprietary drivers. Not only that but a a lot of other things will get borked. For now your best option for support is to install in BIOS mode.
[15:03] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, now grub might not install since it's booted in legacy mode, so we have to do a workaround
[15:03] <EriC^^> robotti^: anyways try sudo modprobe efivars , maybe it'll work
[15:04] <robotti^> EriC^^: done
[15:04] <EriC^^> robotti^: i dunno that sounds odd, cause uefi vs bios is just the method that gets from the BIOS -> grub being loaded
[15:04] <EriC^^> so dunno, maybe it's a mac thing, but i doubt
[15:04] <oaulakh> how to repair ubuntu with ubuntu dvd
[15:05] <robotti^> EriC^^: I have just heard, that nvidia binary driver does not work with uefi boot, but I might be wrong
[15:05] <robotti^> it might be old info
[15:05] <oaulakh> like i have remove many system packages by mistake and now my ubuntu system settings sounds and many more things not working can i fix my ubutnu with installation dvd
[15:05] <EriC^^> robotti^: well, if you want to use legacy you will have to switch between the 2 modes every time you want to use macosx or ubuntu, if osx is in uefi mode
[15:05] <robotti^> last time it was so when I installed ubuntu for mac
[15:06] <robotti^> 2 modes every time? what you mean?
[15:06] <EriC^^> robotti^: dunno, it sounds odd, but i dunno about mac, never had one or had ubuntu on it either
[15:06] <EriC^^> robotti^: osx is in uefi mode right?
[15:06] <robotti^> EriC^^: mac had bios emulation and it has gpt+mbr partition when installing those wo
[15:07] <k1l_> eahmedshendy: maybe you want to use respawn than emit
[15:08] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, well i think the pc wont explode, not immediately at least, let's continue to try to get ubuntu + uefi working, if it boots and doesn't work right or overheats, we'll see what to do
[15:08] <oaulakh> how to repair ubuntu with ubuntu dvd
[15:08] <EriC^^> oaulakh: repair what?
[15:08] <robotti^> EriC^^: problem just it is normally, that legacy driver does not work with efi boot on mac
[15:08] <eahmedshendy> k1l_: anyway, I have replaced it with "start on filesystem runlevel [2345]", but with service restart, i got this error "Job failed to start"
[15:08] <oaulakh> like i have remove many system packages by mistake and now my ubuntu system settings sounds and many more things not working can i fix my ubutnu with installation dvd
[15:09] <eahmedshendy> What is the problem with my upstart job configuration file
[15:09] <robotti^> so that's why it must boot using bios emulation
[15:09] <oaulakh> EriC^^, like i have remove many system packages by mistake and now my ubuntu system settings sounds and many more things not working can i fix my ubutnu with installation dvd
[15:09] <VenomByte> oaulakh: did you try reinstalling your whole desktop environment?
[15:09] <VenomByte> oaulakh: or even just the removed packages?
[15:10] <VenomByte> oaulakh: u can view the removed packages in the application store or how its called in ubuntu
[15:10] <oaulakh> VenomByte, no way plaease, i am asking if there is any way i can repair my system with original disc
[15:10] <EriC^^> robotti^: i checked the link, it actually has a solution for the problem
[15:10] <VenomByte> oaulakh: then I don't know, I always repair my crap :D
[15:11] <robotti^> EriC^^: After doing some research, it looks like some people have been able to get the nvidia drivers working. But I also saw that nvidia drivers do not work when Ubuntu is installed in (U)EFI mode, but only legacy mode (I did not install in legacy mode)
[15:11] <robotti^> okay
[15:11] <oaulakh> EriC^^, is there any way to repair ubuntu back to normal :(
[15:11] <EriC^^> robotti^: the guy in the thread said it works in uefi after modifying grub
[15:11] <robotti^> EriC^^: okay :)
[15:12] <robotti^> EriC^^: so what I should do next? :D
[15:12] <EriC^^> robotti^: i'm not against legacy, but it's already installed in legacy and not booting
[15:12] <robotti^> EriC^^: normally it works, but I just do not remember what to do make it bootable
[15:13] <robotti^> EriC^^: because I have done this before with legacy/bios-emulation
[15:13] <EriC^^> to boot ubuntu you have to choose legacy mode in the bios so it boots it, if osx is in uefi mode or this hybrid mode you're talking about, i dunno check the bios maybe you can have them both boot without meddling around each time to boot one or the other
[15:13] <robotti^> EriC^^: and worked great
[15:13] <EriC^^> robotti^: maybe some bios setting?
[15:13] <EriC^^> refind is irrelevant at this point i guess
[15:14] <robotti^> EriC^^: there is no bios settings
[15:14] <robotti^> EriC^^: it just bios-emulation for windows and similar OSes
[15:14] <robotti^> for legacy support
[15:15] <robotti^> so it can boot legacy OSes
[15:15] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok
[15:15] <robotti^> EriC^^: but it seems that get working with efi
[15:15] <EriC^^> robotti^: when you boot the pc, is there a boot menu or boot options?
[15:16] <robotti^> when I boot this mac, there efi menu. And without rewind there is no menu
[15:17] <EriC^^> robotti^: i see
[15:17] <EriC^^> right now you get a refind menu? and can you boot osx from there?
[15:18] <robotti^> EriC^^: yes
[15:18] <pikapi> hiya. while trying to rename a file I get io error
[15:18] <robotti^> EriC^^: I am still on ubuntu installer
[15:19] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok
[15:19] <pikapi> eric^^ I think it is mounted ro only. how to mount it as rw
[15:19] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, we'll try making it uefi?
[15:19] <robotti^> EriC^^: okay
[15:19] <EriC^^> pikapi: what is? the usb?
[15:19] <pikapi> yep
[15:20] <pikapi> the usb. how to mount it as rw
[15:21] <eahmedshendy> Guy, why my upstart script does not run?
[15:21] <robotti^> EriC^^: so, what now?
[15:21] <eahmedshendy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13493120/
[15:22] <crzdot> exit
[15:22] <EriC^^> robotti^: type sudo modprobe efivars
[15:22] <robotti^> EriC^^: I already do that
[15:23] <EriC^^> robotti^: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[15:23] <EriC^^> type the whole line
[15:23] <EriC^^> robotti^: you're not able to run the live usb in uefi mode from refind?
[15:24] <EriC^^> we need the live session to be in uefi mode to install grub in uefi mode
[15:24] <robotti^> EriC^^: I am using that cd install media
[15:24] <robotti^> I have that also
[15:24] <robotti^> EriC^^: what I was trying to install bios media
[15:24] <robotti^> EriC^^: mac ubuntu install media is bios-only
[15:24] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, type the for i command, we'll give it a shot to see if we can install grub-efi
[15:25] <robotti^> for i in /dev /dev/pts ?
[15:25] <robotti^> EriC^^: done
[15:26] <eahmedshendy> It is done
[15:26] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok
[15:26] <EriC^^> robotti^: type sudo chroot /mnt
[15:26] <robotti^> EriC^^: done
[15:27] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, type apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64
[15:27] <Emerling> hi, i have problem in my cloack irc
[15:28] <EriC^^> it will probably fail though
[15:28] <EriC^^> Emerling: #freenode
[15:29] <robotti^> EriC^^: done
[15:30] <EriC^^> robotti^: what'd it say?
[15:30] <pikapi> any program to test disk for defect?
[15:31] <pikapi> I think some sectors on this usb have gone unreadable
[15:32] <robotti^> EriC^^: http://pastebin.com/9Vmb92dB
[15:32] <MrFastDie> Hey guys! I've got a little problem with Ubuntu 15.10 sometimes my sound repeats for a short time then forces play normally
[15:32] <EriC^^> robotti^: that is great!
[15:33] <robotti^> EriC^^: now what?
[15:33] <EriC^^> robotti^: type efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:33] <EriC^^> so we can see the efi boot list
[15:33] <EriC^^> you might need to put refind before ubuntu
[15:33] <robotti^> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/mk27
[15:34] <Sata> Deutsch ??
[15:34] <robotti^> hat you mean?
[15:34] <robotti^> EriC^^: what you mean?
[15:34] <k1l_> Sata: in #ubuntu-de
[15:34] <EriC^^> robotti^: type ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:34] <EriC^^> ubuntu isn't in the efi boot list, let's see if the files are in the efi partition though
[15:35] <Sat> Deutsch ??
[15:35] <robotti^> EriC^^: root@ubuntu:/# ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:35] <robotti^> ls: cannot access /boot/efi: No such file or directory
[15:35] <robotti^> Use netcat.
[15:36] <EriC^^> robotti^: hmm
[15:36] <pikapi> wah badblocks says the disk is fine. 0 errors
[15:36] <pikapi> but when I try to rename a anything or make a new file on it it says ioerror
[15:36] <EriC^^> robotti^: right, we forgot to mount the efi partition
[15:36] <robotti^> EriC^^: it might be because I booted with bios emulation? :)
[15:37] <robotti^> EriC^^: okay
[15:37] <EriC^^> robotti^: type mkdir /boot/efi
[15:37] <EriC^^> then type mount /dev/sda1 /boot/efi
[15:37] <robotti^> EriC^^: done
[15:37] <EriC^^> robotti^: type grub-install
[15:38] <EriC^^> robotti^: apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi-amd64
[15:38] <robotti^> EriC^^: done
[15:39] <OpenSorce> So the fun is about to begin. I have Windows 10 64-bit and 32-bit dual booting and I'm going to attempt to put Ubuntu on the same machine. Grub should have a blast with this...
[15:39] <EriC^^> robotti^: ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:39] <robotti^> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/kmtm
[15:41] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, the efi file is there
[15:41] <robotti^> EriC^^: so now reboot?
[15:41] <EriC^^> robotti^: try booting, then we can fix the vga issue
[15:41] <EriC^^> yeah, type exit, then restart
[15:43] <robotti^> EriC^^: it booted straight to ubuntu. There is no anymore rewind
[15:43] <robotti^> refind
[15:43] <sauron269> hello
[15:43] <pixle> hello
[15:43] <robotti^> EriC^^: and no osx logo :)
[15:43] <robotti^> EriC^^: does it mean that I have reinstall refind?
[15:43] <Seveas> OpenSorce: long live the backups
[15:44] <mentoc> Hi, I attempted to login via lightdm to my desktop and it kept bringing up the login prompt. So I went down to ctrl+alt+F1 and logged in. My files are not in my home directory. It seems my data was ecryptfs'd
[15:44] <EriC^^> robotti^: no
[15:44] <mentoc> I never setup encryptfs at all
[15:44] <mentoc> what are my options?
[15:44] <OpenSorce> Seveas, nothing I can't stand to lose on this box :-)
[15:44] <EriC^^> robotti^: just have to rearrange the boot order, we'll do that in a sec
[15:44] <EriC^^> robotti^: type sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:45] <robotti^> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/5jho
[15:46] <TJ-> mentoc: did you recently change your user password?
[15:47] <sruli> Hi, i want to get a 500gb SSD drive, i read that many are blacklisted in the kernel, does anyone know a good 500gb ssd which i will get the best out of on ubuntu?
[15:47] <EriC^^> robotti^: sudo efibootmgr -o 0080,0000
[15:47] <TJ-> sruli: where did you read that, and what specifically is blacklisted - do you mean TRIM support?
[15:48] <robotti^> EriC^^: wait I just want install my proprietary wifi driver first
[15:48] <mentoc> TJ-: no
[15:48] <robotti^> because I want to be cordless
[15:48] <EriC^^> robotti^: that will let refind boot before ubuntu
[15:48] <robotti^> EriC^^: okay
[15:48] <frostschutz> sruli, blacklist usually refers to "delayed trim", regular trim still works, so in practice, it makes zero difference (all other OS don't even try to use delayed trim)
[15:49] <sruli> TJ-: i read an many sites, here i see the list of blacklisted in the kernel, http://tinyurl.com/oo94roe
[15:49] <robotti^> EriC^^: done? and reboot?
[15:49] <TJ-> mentoc: do you see a directory "ls -al /home/.ecryptfs/$USER/.ecryptfs"
[15:49] <EriC^^> robotti^: if you want, sure
[15:49] <mentoc> TJ-: yes
[15:49] <EriC^^> test it out
[15:49] <mentoc> oh wait
[15:50] <TJ-> mentoc: right, so there is an encrypted home. That should have been decrypted when you logged in
[15:50] <frostschutz> sruli, I even use libata.force=noncq on all my machines... too many ncq related bugs, too little performance improvements (and sometimes, NCQ makes performance worse)
[15:50] <mentoc> TJ-: I see the directory: /home/.ecryptfs/$USER/ but nothing is in it
[15:50] <mentoc> TJ wait
[15:50] <mentoc> TJ-: nevermind, yeah it's there
[15:50] <TJ-> sruli: those are just general ATA quirks due to bad devices
[15:51] <mentoc> TJ-: how would I decrypt it manuall?
[15:51] <sruli> TJ-: so is there a ssd which is considered top quality for linux?
[15:51] <TJ-> mentoc: when you log-in pam_ecryptfs should use your password to unlock the master key for the encrypted files, and then use the key to unlock the files and mount the unencrypted file-system on $HOME
[15:52] <jakeFat> where can I go for irc help?
[15:52] <TJ-> sruli: Well I have Samsung EVO 850 - not had any issues that I'm aware of
[15:52] <mentoc> TJ-: everytime I enter my password on the login screen for lightdm, it just brings me back to the login screen
[15:52] <leSaucy> Try changing your session type (the little ubuntu logo beside your name) ?
[15:52] <mentoc> leSaucy: not a bad idea
[15:53] <TJ-> mentoc: right, but that's not the same as the encrypted home directory not being mounted. At the console log-in do you see all your files with "ls -al $HOME" ?
[15:53] <dersand> I have no idea what to do anymore. I downloaded a version of debian and installed it, it never came with the windows 10 option in the grub. I'm not sure what i did in the debian installer.
[15:53] <sruli> TJ-: regarding the samsung evo read this https://blog.algolia.com/when-solid-state-drives-are-not-that-solid/
[15:53] <h4k1m> Hi
[15:53] <mentoc> TJ-: no
[15:53] <h4k1m> is google earth working well on ubuntu 14 with Intel graphics cards?
[15:53] <mentoc> leSaucy: there isn't an alternative window manager for me to choose from
[15:54] <h4k1m> I have some graphical issues with it (dark objects appearing in a supposed uniform area).
[15:54] <leSaucy> Does guest session work?
[15:54] <robotti^> EriC^^: okay
[15:55] <EriC^^> robotti^: all good?
[15:55] <robotti^> EriC^^: it does work, but how about proprietary driver?
[15:55] <mentoc> leSaucy: It looks like it might work.. one sec
[15:55] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, sudo lshw -businfo -class bridge -class display | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:55] <mentoc> leSaucy: guest session works
[15:56] <leSaucy> Cool, can you then ssh to localhost and login as yourself from a terminal? Sounds like some funny business with your $HOME
[15:57] <mentoc> leSaucy: It's fine, I can login as root by doing ctrl+alt+F1
[15:57] <mentoc> leSaucy: I don't have openssh setup
[15:57] <robotti^> EriC^^: robotti@cyberslave:~$ sudo lshw -businfo -class bridge -class display | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:57] <robotti^> Use netcat.
[15:57] <EriC^^> robotti^: try again
[15:57] <morfin> hello
[15:57] <robotti^> EriC^^: I did two times
[15:58] <mentoc> whoa what's termbin.com?!
[15:58] <morfin> i installed Ubuntu into Vmware and trying to make OpenGL work in VM
[15:58] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, sudo lshw -businfo -class bridge -class display | curl -F "sprunge=<-" sprunge.us
[15:58] <mentoc> you can post to termbin.com on 9999 and it gives you a url back or somethign?
[15:58] <TJ-> sruli: the patch is in mainline: "f3f5da6 Thu Jul 23 16:21:34 2015 -0600 Martin K. Petersen block: Do a full clone when splitting discard bios"
[15:58] <robotti^> EriC^^: I am going to do that with pastebin
[15:58] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok
[15:59] <sruli> TJ-: tnx, i am thinking to go for the crucial mx200
[15:59] <robotti^> EriC^^: http://pastebin.com/GJ7gThtD
[15:59] <EriC^^> mentoc: yeah it's a pastebin
[16:00] <morfin> games does not run in VM - even if i installed open-vm-tools and others glxinfo says that only OpenGL 2.1 supported
[16:00] <EriC^^> robotti^: type sudo nano /etc/grub.d/01_enable_vga.conf
[16:00] <ikonia> running games in a VM is not going to do well for the majority of people
[16:00] <pikapi_alternate> miraculously after several formats and partition delete create delete it has booted!!!
[16:00] <mentoc> EriC^^: that's a brilliant idea
[16:01] <robotti^> EriC^^: okay, it is empty :)
[16:02] <mentoc> I'll have to muck around on this later
[16:02] <TJ-> sruli: the patch is also in 15.10 and 15.04, and isn't needed in 14.04
[16:03] <sruli> TJ-: tnx, i plan to use LTS so 14.04
[16:03] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, put this in the file http://paste.ubuntu.com/13493422/
[16:04] <EriC^^> robotti^: then type sudo chmod 755 /etc/grub.d/01_enable_vga.conf
[16:04] <TJ-> !ltse | sruli: right, so if you use this you'll get the patched kernel too
[16:05] <robotti^> EriC^^: cat also?
[16:05] <EriC^^> robotti^: yes
[16:05] <TJ-> robotti^: *everything* you see in that pastebin, should be in the file
[16:06] <robotti^> EriC^^: what now? :)
[16:06] <Westerdutch> Hello peeps of ubuntu! I has a question; When pasting something in a screen session (from putty under windows) i get free added garbage! How do i stop it from doing this... example ;0~paste1~
[16:06] <VenomByte> Westerdutch: why would you? it's free!
[16:06] <Westerdutch> that was just pasting 'paste' minus ''
[16:06] <Westerdutch> i lke free.. just not free i donw want!
[16:07] <VenomByte> lol
[16:07] <Westerdutch> like free chlamidya.. i can totally do without that
[16:07] <robotti^> EriC^^: should I know install nvidia driver?
[16:07] <robotti^> EriC^^: or? :)
[16:07] <VenomByte> Westerdutch: but sorry, i don't know :p
[16:07] <EriC^^> robotti^: type sudo update-grub
[16:08] <robotti^> EriC^^: done
[16:08] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, reboot now
[16:08] <Westerdutch> its annoying as freck.... when pasting in regular windo theres no issue, when pasting the exact same in a screen session it garbages it up
[16:09] <Westerdutch> oh hang on it might actually be weechat trying to capture mouse stuff... one sec
[16:10] <robotti^> EriC^^: okay, rebooted
[16:10] <Westerdutch> mouse disabled on weechat didnt fix it.... lemme close weechat
[16:10] <rogger_h> Hello i need someone specializing in linux + magento preformances. pm me
[16:11] <EriC^^> robotti^: ok, type sudo setpci -s "00:17.0" 3e.b
[16:11] <Westerdutch> yup weechat issue! odd
[16:11] <EriC^^> what does it return?
[16:11] <morfin> i thought i can run OpenGL apps in VM :(
[16:12] <h4k1m> anyone has graphical issues with google earth? are there drivers I need to install?
[16:12] <robotti^> EriC^^: setpci: Warning: No devices selected for "3e.b".
[16:12] <morfin> inside of virtualbox they works but badly(without acceleration)
[16:12] <EriC^^> robotti^: hmm did you type sudo chmod 755 .... ?
[16:12] <morfin> oh
[16:13] <robotti^> EriC^^: yes, I can do it again :)
[16:13] <EriC^^> robotti^: it's ok
[16:14] <EriC^^> robotti^: i guess try to install the nvidia driver and see if it overheats or runs correctly
[16:15] <robotti^> EriC^^: should I run it again?
[16:15] <robotti^> chmod?
[16:15] <robotti^> okay I try install nvidia
[16:16] <robotti^> EriC^^: I install openssh-server it is going broken
[16:17] <robotti^> EriC^^: lets hope best :)
[16:18] <CarlFK> I have two usb disks, mac / hfsplus fs, both label "My Passport for Mac" - When I plug them in, the first gets mounted under "/media/carl/My Passport for Mac" and the 2nd " /media/carl/My Passport for Mac1" ...
[16:18] <CarlFK> Without changing the disks, is there some way to get them to mount under the same mount point, regardless of which gets plugged in first?
[16:19] <SchrodingersScat> CarlFK: I'm not an expert in mounting things, but wouldn't that create some kind of a conflict?
[16:19] <VenomByte> CarlFK: If im right you can mount things with fstab to not use the name but that other thing
[16:20] <CarlFK> SchrodingersScat: um.. by "same" I mean same for each disk
[16:20] <VenomByte> CarlFK: wait let me lookup
[16:20] <CarlFK> VenomByte: yeah.. that ;)
[16:20] <VenomByte> CarlFK: mount by uuid
[16:20] <SchrodingersScat> oh, k, I see now.
[16:21] <VenomByte> CarlFK: give me a minute
[16:22] <VenomByte> CarlFK: http://superuser.com/questions/483132/how-can-i-make-sure-that-my-two-usb-disks-are-mounted-at-startup
[16:22] <VenomByte> CarlFK: i think you can do it that way?
[16:23] <VenomByte> CarlFK: u can also use symlinks
[16:24] <robotti^> EriC^^: you are my hero :)
[16:24] <VenomByte> CarlFK: or bind mounts, see http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/47222/how-to-mount-multiple-directories-on-the-same-partition
[16:24] <robotti^> EriC^^: now I must test how does sleep work
[16:24] <HackerII> EriC^^, nickname is superman
[16:24] <robotti^> EriC^^: it seems to work very well
[16:24] <luqman_> Me?
[16:25] <robotti^> EriC^^: bluetooth is only thing does not work this computer now
[16:25] <VenomByte> robotti^: rfkill unblock bluetooth
[16:25] <VenomByte> robotti^: does that work?
[16:25] <luqman_> @HackerII : are you superman?
[16:25] <HackerII> only on weekends
[16:26] <OpenSorce> I'm currently booting 32 and 64 bit versions of Windows 10 with the Windows boot loader. In theory when I put Linux on this machine, it should detect those partitions and give me the option to load them, right?
[16:26] <robotti^> VenomByte: not really
[16:27] <VenomByte> robotti^: does lspci list your BT device?
[16:28] <TJ-> CarlFK: Yes, there is a way. auto-mounts under /media/$USER/ are done by udisks, which can be configured to mount in specific locations. It could be configured based on file-system UUIDs, or LABELs. see "man udisks"
[16:28] <robotti^> VenomByte: not really. does I need do something inside osx?
[16:28] <robotti^> enable it here?
[16:29] <VenomByte> robotti^: sorry got to leave work now, ill log on my mobile soon one moment
[16:29] <TJ-> robotti^: does "rfkill list" show a bluetooth radio?
[16:30] <CarlFK> VenomByte: looking good - thanks ... LABEL="My Passport for Mac" TYPE="hfsplus" PARTLABEL="Apple_HFS_Untitled_1" PARTUUID="e3afa65e-f0c0-4147-b4d8-07dac2027821"
[16:31] <robotti^> TJ-: no
[16:31] <robotti^> I am going check if it is because something inside osx
[16:33] <VenomByte1> hey
[16:33] <decci> Anyone with debian packaging experience
[16:33] <CarlFK> VenomByte: looking good - thanks ... blkid is what I needed. ... LABEL="My Passport for Mac" TYPE="hfsplus" PARTLABEL="Apple_HFS_Untitled_1" PARTUUID="e3afa65e-f0c0-4147-b4d8-07dac2027821"
[16:34] <k1l_> decci: #ubuntu-packaging (as always)
[16:36] <decci> k1l_: thanks
[16:36] <VenomByte2> CarlFK: good to hear :)
[16:44] <robotti^> EriC^^: thanks for your help
[16:44] <robotti^> EriC^^: I still have some questions :)
[16:44] <robotti^> how to enable text console
[16:44] <robotti^> or virtual consoles
[16:44] <robotti^> because it just black
[16:46] <robotti^> I do not have virtual terminals with proprietary nvidia driver
[16:47] <fsociety[00]dat> hi #ubuntu again; I booted from USB mini.iso and how to change disk order? My USB is sda and my hard disk is sdb but I want to see my hard disk as sda
[16:47] <fsociety[00]dat> is it possible?
[16:55] <VenomByte> anyone need help?
[16:58] <fsociety[00]dat> VenomByte: Thanks; I booted from USB mini.iso and how to change disk order? My USB is sda and my hard disk is sdb but I want to see my hard disk as sda
[16:59] <giuseppe_> Ciao ragazzi
[16:59] <giuseppe_> mi annoiooo help
[16:59] <k1l_> !it | giuseppe_
[17:02] <VenomByte> sorry brb, back in 20 mins
[17:05] <Techknight> Oi
[17:05] <Techknight> a key like this (wget -nv https://download.owncloud.org/download/repositories/8.2/Ubuntu_12.04/Release.key -O Release.key) where is it stored in ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[17:06] <Pici> Techknight: in your current directory.
[17:10] <James_Epp> I'm having troubles installing ubuntu 14.04.2 on an UEFI system. Booted UEFI + Secure boot and it installed no problems. It created an entry in the UEFI variables called "ubuntu" but all I get is a purple screen, no hdd activity or boot. disabling secure boot gives no new result. What can I troubleshoot?
[17:10] <EriC^^> robotti^: i was away, glad you're doing ok :)
[17:10] <James_Epp> I manually created uefi variables pointing to shim, grub, and mokmanager, but shim and grub don't get anywhere past the purple (grub?) screen
[17:11] <EriC^^> James_Epp: did you try pressing esc?
[17:11] <EriC^^> James_Epp: try holding shift and see if you get grub
[17:12] <James_Epp> EriC^^: You mean to get to the grub screen? Sure, I can do that. What would you suggest after that?
[17:12] <robotti^> EriC^^: thanks! :) my only problem is blank virtual consoles :D
[17:12] <robotti^> but maybe I can live without them
[17:15] <James_Epp> EriC^^: Any suggestions?
[17:16] <EriC^^> James_Epp: try to get grub first then play with the grubgfx
[17:16] <EriC^^> were you able to get a grub menu by holding shift?
[17:16] <EriC^^> James_Epp: is it an encrypted install?
[17:17] <EriC^^> maybe it's hanging at the passphrase part after grub
[17:17] <Zhaofeng_Li> This may be a strange question, but what packages related to touchscreen are installed on a Ubuntu Live CD?
[17:17] <EriC^^> Zhaofeng_Li: the guys in #ubuntu-touch might know more if you don't get answers her
[17:18] <EriC^^> *here
[17:18] <Zhaofeng_Li> EriC^^: Okay, thanks.
[17:20] <James_Epp> EriC^^: No encryption. Simply a gpt, efi part, then the ext4 / part. That's it, that's all. How do I work with grubgfx exactly?
[17:20] <EriC^^> James_Epp: well, try using nomodeset first
[17:20] <James_Epp> Eric^^: It's a laptop only with intel onboard graphics, if that helps.
[17:21] <nat0> Anyone here ever set up a preseed for ubuntu images in cobbler?
[17:21] <EriC^^> press e in grub, then add nomodeset at the end of the line that says linux /boot/vmlinuz ..... quiet splash
[17:21] <EriC^^> James_Epp: then press ctrl+x
[17:21] <James_Epp> Eric^^: I'll try. Thanks.
[17:24] <James_Epp> EriC^^: Nothing. I have to use old kernel versions even just to get the loading kernel... loading initrd.... messages. Then it fails. It also has $vt_handoff in the config. is that a potential problem?
[17:24] <mariano_> I installed rstudio but the app won't open. I've tried to open the app via the terminal and I get the following message: rstudio: error while loading shared libraries: libgstreamer-0.10.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:27] <James_Epp> EriC^^: Played around a bit. Got stuck at "starting bridge events into startup"
[17:28] <trism> mariano_: it is in libgstreamer-0.10.so.0 though it seems like something you should already have, is this maybe a 32bit binary on a 64bit system?
[17:28] <Paddy_NI> mariano_: Have you tried "sudo apt-get install libgstreamer0.10-0"
[17:28] <trism> mariano_: sorry typo meant libgstreamer0.10-0
[17:28] <mariano_> I'll try those things.
[17:29] <mariano_> I'm almost sure it is a 64bit with a 64 bit app. I'll double check. brb
[17:29] <momomo> I am on ubuntu gnome 3 15.10 ... but I can't intall fail2ban .. it fails ... invoke-rc.d: initscript fail2ban, action "start" failed.
[17:29] <EriC^^> James_Epp: no, i have $vt_handoff as well
[17:30] <Paddy_NI> momomo: Ironic
[17:31] <momomo> Paddy_NI, what is? does it work for you?
[17:31] <Paddy_NI> momomo: Oh nothing..Have you looked at this http://askubuntu.com/questions/653131/dpkg-error-while-installing-fail2ban-on-ubuntu-15-04
[17:32] <EriC^^> James_Epp: try adding --verbose to the kernel line to make upstart say what's going on more
[17:32] <Paddy_NI> momomo: Have you tried installing that dependency?
[17:33] <mariano_> trism, 0 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux is 64bit yes? I downloaded a 64bit deb of the application too.
[17:33] <momomo> Paddy_NI, i might try it, but it's annoying .. i have that setup through a script for server usage .. now it now longer works reliably
[17:33] <momomo> so much for updates
[17:33] <Paddy_NI> momomo: :-(
[17:33] <momomo> so much for updates
[17:33] <James_Epp> Eric^^: Thanks, I'll try. This is incredibly frustrating.
[17:34] <trism> mariano_: maybe you are just missing the package then, did you try the: sudo apt-get install libgstreamer0.10-0;
[17:34] <mariano_> I did and it installed, but still no luck.
[17:35] <momomo> i guess i have to restart maybe as well
[17:35] <Paddy_NI> mariano_: Have you perhaps tried reinstalling your package?
[17:35] <mariano_> Yes, I've tried it a few times.
[17:35] <Paddy_NI> mariano_: Now that you have libgstreamer0.10-0
[17:35] <Paddy_NI> Since rather
[17:35] <James_Epp> Is there an ubuntu incompatible list or something where I should file a bug? CSM and UEFI are giving the same errors on this system.
[17:36] <HappyNewYear13> so i want to buy a small laptop 11'6 screen and i see most of them have 2GB ram. why do they have so little ram?
[17:36] <MonkeyDust> HappyNewYear13 #ubuntu-offtopic
[17:36] <trism> mariano_: can you pastebin: ldd /path/to/rstudio; assuming rstudio is a binary and not a script pointing to some other binary
[17:38] <trism> mariano_: might be interesting to see the output of: file /path/to/rstudio; too
[17:39] <mariano_> ok, I'm reinstalling rstudio again after the libgstreamer0.10-0
[17:41] <mariano_> trism, I don't even know where applications are installed on linux. I'm new to linux.
[17:42] <trism> mariano_: how did you install rstudio?
[17:43] <max12345> mariano "whereis 'program/command'" tells you where something lives
[17:43] <mariano_> I downloaded a deb file from rstudio and double clicked on it. The software center installed it. This is how I've done it on three other systems and it worked.
[17:45] <trism> mariano_: alright, if you are running it from the command line: which rstudio; should give you the path; then run ldd on that path
[17:45] <perks> anyone use FZF? for life of my can’t figure out how to exclude directories
[17:46] <mariano_> I normally type sudo rstudio and the application opens up. This time I just get the error I posted earlier.
[17:46] <trism> mariano_: why do you run it with sudo?
[17:46] <trism> mariano_: seems like a bad idea
[17:46] <mariano_> Because otherwise it won't let me overwrite files that I've created in the future.
[17:47] <defcon6> I have installed an nvidia gtx 970 video card on ubuntu 15.10. when I use the nvidia drivers I the screen is unusable with the cursor misalgned and the screen tearing vertically. here is an image of what it looks like:http://imgur.com/gallery/LEuOOl7/new I have searched a lot of forum posts and dont know which posts are relavant and which are not. Any help appreciated.
[17:47] <mariano_> rstudio
[17:47] <trism> mariano_: still seems like a bad idea
[17:47] <mariano_> Yea, I'm still trying to learn how to make it work properly on linux.
[17:49] <James_Epp> EriC^^: Finally got it. Thank god for the forums. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2253168&page=2&p=13176835#post13176835
[17:50] <trism> mariano_: anyway in a command prompt type: ldd $(which rstudio); then pastebin the output unless it is just "not a dynamic executable" then pastebin: dpkg -L rstudio;
[17:52] <mariano_> trism, so I type ldd $(which rstudio) in the terminal?
[17:52] <trism> mariano_: yes
[17:52] <mariano_> I got a list, I don't know what pastebin dpkg -L rstudio is. Do I type that after?
[17:53] <trism> mariano_: no you don't have to do that if you got a list of libs, just pastebin that list
[17:53] <trism> !pastebin | mariano_
[17:54] <mariano_> Do I do the pastebin ubuntu thing using plain text?
[17:55] <trism> mariano_: yes http://paste.ubuntu.com/ (or really any pastebin site you want)
[17:56] <mariano_> Oh damn, that's cool. Here is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13494297/
[17:58] <trism> mariano_: try: sudo apt-get install libqt5webkit5;
[17:58] <howudodat> hey guys am looking for advice on how to do something that /seems/ stupidly simple. I have all my music organized into categories on the filesystem. Each artist has it's own playlist of my favorite songs. In windows, I was able to search for .m3u and grab all the playlists drag and drop them into media player and then sync to my phone / sd card / etc. I have tried both rhythmbox and clementine and cant seem to find a way to do such a si
[17:58] <howudodat> mple task.
[17:58] <Extreminador> how can i connect one direcory to other ?
[17:59] <Extreminador> like a shortcut
[17:59] <trism> mariano_: after that try running rstudio without sudo
[17:59] <mariano_> trism, nothing happens.
[17:59] <stewi> Extreminador ln -s
[17:59] <Extreminador> stewi thanks
[18:00] <stewi> ln -s <directory to link to> <new link name>
[18:01] <Extreminador> where is the apache2 directory ... ? i mean the one to places the pages
[18:02] <Extreminador> hought it was /usr/something
[18:03] <MichaelP> for 15.10 is there an repo anywhere for xorg 1.18 ?
[18:04] <Extreminador> found it
[18:05] <Pici> Extreminador: /var/www/, definable in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/
[18:05] <trism> mariano_: nothing happens in that it just exits back to the command prompt or it just hangs
[18:05] <mariano_> Well, i get the same message if I just type rstudio.
[18:05] <mariano_> If I click on the program icon, nothing happens.
[18:06] <trism> mariano_: the same message about gstreamer?
[18:06] <mariano_> rstudio: error while loading shared libraries: libgstapp-0.10.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:06] <Extreminador> humm pici how about the /usr/shares/apache2/default-site ?
[18:07] <trism> mariano_: oh that's different than the last one
[18:07] <Extreminador> hum mybe that one belongs to the php5 instalation
[18:07] <trism> mariano_: I think you missed some lines in the ldd output too, I get more libs now that I installed it
[18:08] <trism> mariano_: sudo apt-get install libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0
[18:08] <Pici> Extreminador: Thats the default site data for the apache2 installation, you shouldn't modify that.
[18:08] <mariano_> I copied everything exactly. Ok I'll do that.
[18:08] <Extreminador> Pici ok got it thanks
[18:08] <mariano_> trism, viola!!!
[18:09] <trism> mariano_: works now?
[18:09] <mariano_> Is there a reason why this problem happened now. i've never had it happened on my other systems.
[18:09] <mariano_> Yea, it works now. :)
[18:10] <trism> mariano_: you might have installed something else that caused the gstreamer libs to be removed
[18:11] <mariano_> Ok, I better copy and paste our convo so that I can file it in case I have the problem again. Thank you so much. I'm really grateful. I depend a lot on rstudio. :)
[18:13] <seanyo> is there an ubuntu games channel?
[18:14] <MonkeyDust> !games
[18:21] <MichaelP> for 15.10 is there an repo anywhere for xorg 1.18 ?
[18:22] <MonkeyDust> MichaelP start from the beinning, what's wrong with the existing repos
[18:22] <MonkeyDust> beginning*
[18:23] <MichaelP> MonkeyDust: just wondering if there is a ppa with xorg 1.18... PPA: xorg-edgers don't have it
[18:23] <k1l_> MichaelP: xorg server 1.18 was released on 9th nov. not even 16.04 alpha got that already.
[18:24] <distrodsk> noob alert - could someone eli5 how i can install something from github?
[18:24] <k1l_> MichaelP: you can have a look at those PPAs https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=xorg-server
[18:25] <distrodsk> actually i think i got it
[18:25] <Extreminador> so to connect the share folder in my ubuntu desktop with the apache directory output it will be this "ls -s /var/www/html/ ~/Desktop/Share/" ?
[18:25] <MichaelP> k1l_: been using xorg 1.18 in arch... opensuse tumbleweed opensuse leap... fedora 23
[18:44] <HackerII> 'A Hot Dog Or A Bun?' Ben Stiller Outrages the Transgender Community
[18:44] <HackerII> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CL4LNWHegk#t=57
[18:44] <k1l_> HackerII: wrong channel
[18:44] <HackerII> .woo, pok srry
[18:44] <HackerII> ok
[18:45] <frite> I dont know what i did but now when i write å it becomes [
[18:46] <frite> what did i do_
[18:47] <theptr> hi is what would be the best equalizer for listen music on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[18:47] <MonkeyDust> frite in terminal, type env|grep UTF anything unusual?
[18:48] <mentoc> Everytime I login, it brings back to the login prompt. I'm using ubuntu 14.04. My home directory is encrypted with ecryptfs but I never setup encryption. I was told that after you login successfully, a process is run to decrypt your data and places that in your home directory, but that's not happening. Halp!
[18:49] <daniel___> How do i change my knickname?
[18:49] <MonkeyDust> daniel___ /nick blah$
[18:49] <frite> MonkeyDust, no
[18:49] <aceus1> aah thanks :D
[18:51] <PCatinean> Why do I get this on my ubuntu 14.04 Trusty? sudo: add-apt-repository: command not found
[18:51] <jpds> PCatinean: Becuase you don't have software-properties-common installed
[18:51] <k1l_> PCatinean: what is "lsb_release -d"?
[18:52] <PCatinean> hmm, strange just read that too, why did they remove it?
[18:52] <jpds> PCatinean: You haven't installed it
[18:52] <k1l_> PCatinean: was that a minimal install?
[18:52] <jpds> mentoc: The two sentences you said contradict themselves
[18:53] <PCatinean> k1l_, yes
[18:53] <mentoc> jpds: What part do you need clarification on?
[18:53] <jpds> mentoc: "encrypted with ecryptfs but I never setup encryption"
[18:54] <jpds> mentoc: In any case, ecryptfs is broken
[18:54] <mentoc> jpds: it was encrypted by ubuntu because I didn't do it
[18:54] <jpds> mentoc: It's not done by default
[18:54] <jpds> mentoc: so *you* must have selected it in the installer
[18:55] <mentoc> jpds: my experience with encryptfs is when you set it up, the boot process involves you entering the passphrase to unencrypt the files
[18:55] <jpds> mentoc: That's not ecryptfs
[18:55] <jpds> mentoc: That's LUKS
[18:55] <jpds> mentoc: Two completely different things
[18:56] <jpds> mentoc: In any case, my advice to you would be to reinstall and restore from backup
[18:56] <Ivan__> hello
[18:56] <mentoc> jpds: but the files it encrypted will be lost
[18:56] <Ivan__> is it safe to download debian on a thinkpad x301? (wireless and trackpad drivers)
[18:56] <k1l_> Ivan__: better ask in #debian about that
[18:56] <jpds> mentoc: You have backups, right?
[18:57] <mentoc> jpds: no
[18:57] <jpds> mentoc: Well, that's your mistake then
[18:57] <mentoc> jpds: there's gotta be a way to decrypt it if it's been doing it this whole time
[18:58] <jpds> mentoc: Did you change your password on the command line?
[18:58] <mentoc> jpds: no
[19:01] <Guest60306> Hi everyone
[19:02] <Guest60306> someone know how install makehuman in ubuntu
[19:02] <k1l_> Guest60306: install the package makehuman
[19:03] <freakyy> hi k1l_ :) r u still angry with me?
[19:04] <freakyy> im currently downloading win10 on a usb stick then ill install it alongside with ubuntu
[19:04] <freakyy> bbl restart
[19:05] <jeffreylevesque> anyone willing to test out my scikit-learn repo - https://github.com/jeff1evesque/machine-learning?
[19:06] <lrs> My ubuntu freezes randomly. Music/sound is still playing in the background but the mouse and screen is frozen.
[19:06] <lrs> Anyone have any idea?
[19:06] <valent1ne> Hello
[19:06] <jpds> lrs: GPU lock-up?
[19:07] <lrs> Maybe?
[19:07] <lrs> Ive replaced and tried different nvidia drivers... same problem.
[19:07] <lrs> Saw something about disabling touchpad, trying that
[19:09] <ddr_> hi
[19:09] <ddr_> can smb help me with this problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/702077/error-attempt-to-read-or-write-outside-of-partition
[19:09] <valent1ne> I'm an Arch user
[19:09] <valent1ne> Who is considering switching to ubuntu
[19:09] <valent1ne> I don't want to give up my window manager, i3
[19:09] <k1l_> valent1ne: get a ubuntu.iso and have a go :)
[19:10] <valent1ne> I was going to try it in a vm first
[19:10] <valent1ne> But a few questions
[19:10] <valent1ne> 1. Can I use the unity DE features with a different wm
[19:10] <jpds> valent1ne: I'd stay with arch if you wanted i3
[19:10] <valent1ne> hmmm
[19:10] <axisys_> what is the fastest way to copy a 60G vdi file from one dir to another?
[19:10] <valent1ne> ok
[19:10] <compdoc> ddr_, can you look at the SMART info for your drive?
[19:10] <k1l_> valent1ne: ubuntu ships i3
[19:10] <valent1ne> I'll still give it a shot though
[19:11] <k1l_> but what do you meant with DE features?
[19:11] <valent1ne> yeah
[19:11] <valent1ne> like, the menu
[19:11] <valent1ne> uhh, the file explorer
[19:11] <valent1ne> some other gui stuff
[19:11] <valent1ne> It actually doesn't have to be i3, as long as it's similar
[19:12] <valent1ne> I was also thinking of switching wms
[19:12] <TJ-> !info i3 | valent1ne
[19:12] <ddr_> compdoc, how do i do that?
[19:12] <valent1ne> hmm thanks
[19:12] <jpds> valent1ne: The entire Ubuntu experience is built around Unity
[19:12] <compdoc> you can open the disk utility
[19:12] <TJ-> thank goodness servers don't use Unity!
[19:13] <k1l_> jpds: you are aware ubuntu got other desktops in the repos?
[19:13] <ddr_> compdoc, when i boot the pc the 1 thing that happens is to lload that screen
[19:13] <jpds> TJ-: I'm talking about desktops
[19:13] <AQLIVE> can anyone help me with dual boot? I installed Ubuntu alongside windows7. I can see windows 7 in the boot menu when I start up my machine but when Iselect it , it starts to load ad then it restarts into grub boot menu.
[19:13] <jpds> k1l_: No, really?
[19:13] <valent1ne> hmm, I'm going to go try ubuntu again.
[19:13] <compdoc> ddr_, what OS are you running now?
[19:14] <k1l_> jpds: i know a lot users who use awesome or others on ubuntu and they love the ubuntu basis for that.
[19:14] <ddr_> compdoc, i am right now from another pc
[19:15] <compdoc> ddr_, can you boot a live version of ubuntu? from a cd or usb stick on the problem computer?
[19:16] <ddr_> compdoc, i will try
[19:16] <AQLIVE> EriC^^: Hey Eric I'm back with a windows 7 and I then installed ubuntu on it alongside windows (As it should have been the first time) but when Itry to boot in windows 7 it just restarts into grub now
[19:16] <compdoc> just use ubuntu desktop
[19:16] <AQLIVE> EriC^^: Do you have time to help me again?
[19:16] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: yeah
[19:16] <AQLIVE> thanks
[19:16] <ddr_> compdoc, can the live ubuntu be higher version of ubuntu than i have?
[19:17] <AQLIVE> EriC^^: What do you need me to check first
[19:17] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: type cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:18] <AQLIVE> EriC^^: http://termbin.com/63ad
[19:19] <compdoc> ddr_, yes, use the latest
[19:19] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: do you have a windows cd?
[19:19] <AQLIVE> nope why
[19:19] <EriC^^> i think you need to fix the boot sector
[19:19] <AQLIVE> and run chkdsk
[19:20] <EriC^^> no
[19:20] <AQLIVE> then what
[19:20] <EriC^^> then just boot from grub as usual
[19:20] <EriC^^> AQLIVE: /join ##windows , they'd know more
[19:21] <freakyy> hi all. how can i resize a partition which is an lvm volume in wily? I tried gparted but i can only shrink the partition 8MiB ... and i want to shrink it 100GBs
[19:22] <wad> yes
[19:23] <n-iCe> lubuntu xubuntu ubuntu kubuntu?
[19:23] <IndianArya> ubuntu studio
[19:24] <n-iCe> ubuntu studio
[19:24] <n-iCe> checking
[19:25] <IndianArya> super ubuntu discontinued, ubuntu based Linux Mint, Elementary OS
[19:26] <k1l_> n-iCe: what is the question?
[19:29] <ll94ll> \help
[19:35] <derobalo> leave
[19:39] <MoneyMaker> Bitcoin Mining 15 KHs for free http://bit.ly/1Tc9mTI Earn $$Money$$, visit http://bit.ly/1PLQV9G
[19:41] <DrPeeper> good afternoon
[19:43] <Li> Does anyone know the difference between "Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (meta-package)" and "Wine Windows Program Loader"? both are on Ubuntu Software Center if you search for "Wine:.
[19:44] <DrPeeper> I'd like to have a package (that is available with apt-get) recompiled with a couple of different flags. Is there a simple way to do this with ubuntu
[19:44] <ignacio> Where I can get info about Google Code-In?
[19:45] <k1l_> ignacio: https://codein.withgoogle.com/
[19:45] <ignacio> I meant, Ubuntu in codein
[19:46] <k1l_> ignacio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleCodeIn
[19:47] <ignacio> thank you
[19:47] <ddr_> compdoc, yes, i am able to run the live ubuntu from usb
[19:47] <DrPeeper> so basically .. i'd like to apt-get install package --with-openssl
[19:47] <compdoc> ddr_, good, open the disk util
[19:47] <DrPeeper> because that configure flag isn't included by default
[19:48] <ddr_> compdoc, ok
[19:49] <Sur3> hi after upgrading from thrusty tahr to willy werewolf, my exaile crashes when i try to play .m4a-files, how can i debug this, gdb doesnt work because its an python script..
[19:49] <ddr_> compdoc, what is next¿?6
[19:49] <compdoc> ddr_, select your old drive in the list, and click the little 'gear' icon in disk util and select SMART
[19:50] <DrPeeper> debian/rules found it!
[19:50] <ddr_> compdoc, the problem is that i have 3 drives with some partitions, which one i should choose?
[19:51] <compdoc> ddr_, you should do this with all of them
[19:52] <compdoc> ddr_, in the 'Value' column, are there any numbers for Reallocated sector count, Pending sector count, reported uncorrectable, or reallocated count
[19:54] <compdoc> ddr_, also, G-sense errors
[20:02] <ddr_> compdoc, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kygsheuyjjpauly/AACUQIvKKkMsEaWZnIWIKBiSa?dl=0
[20:10] <ddr_> compdoc, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kygsheuyjjpauly/AACUQIvKKkMsEaWZnIWIKBiSa?dl=0
[20:11] <freakyy> lol ssh bleibt selbst nach ner abgebrochenen verbindung bestehen is ja cool ;D
[20:12] <r44083> hi all! Привет всем!
[20:12] <freakyy> sorry german i said, ssh even stays alive after a disconnect ;D
[20:13] <ddr_> r44083, PRIVET
[20:14] <compdoc> ddr_, the drive is only 4 months old? SMART says its ok
[20:15] <ddr_> compdoc, , yes, it is recent. if it is ok, then why i cant login?
[20:16] <compdoc> ddr_, sounds like something was damged, like the partition. But mechanically, the drive is good so you can trust it
[20:17] <renn0xtek9> test
[20:17] <huttan> ls
[20:17] <freakyy> hi all. is there any way i can display some nice cpu usage memory usage etc. somewhere in ubuntu wily?
[20:17] <ddr_> compdoc, ok, what i have to do to solve my problem?6
[20:17] <benstrumental> Hello, I am trying to decrypt a confirmation email for editing my pgp keys on LaunchPad - I put the email contents in a file 'pgp.message', called `gpg -d pgp.message` and get the following error: `gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: processing message failed: eof`
[20:17] <benstrumental> I am following the instructions here for reference: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/getting-set-up.html#upload-your-gpg-key-to-launchpad
[20:18] <benstrumental> (On step 2.2.3)
[20:18] <freakyy> is there a possibility to downgrade wily to 14.04 lts?
[20:19] <r44083> Does anyone use weechat?
[20:19] <keepguessing> I do.
[20:19] <r44083> Wow. I am too
[20:19] <keepguessing> my autofs ldap directeries do not get mounted on boot
[20:19] <BluesKaj> freakyy, only if you have separate / and /home partiitions, otherwise a clean install is in order
[20:20] <keepguessing> when I do a ls on the ldap mounts I get "no such file/direc" Error. It works if I restart the autofs service. I am on wily 15.10
[20:21] <keepguessing> r44083: are you having a question or where you seeking opinion?
[20:21] <r44083> keepguessing, how do you scroll contact-list? F11 key is a full screen key. Have you remap this key in weechat?
[20:22] <benstrumental> Hello all, I have solved my problem - thank you
[20:22] <highdivr> :-)
[20:22] <compdoc> ddr_, ask the original question again
[20:23] <uban> hey guys, how do i install wifi drivers for x301
[20:23] <ddr_> compdoc, http://askubuntu.com/questions/702077/error-attempt-to-read-or-write-outside-of-partition
[20:23] <uban> thinkpad, for some reason it didn't get them
[20:24] <r44083> keepguessing: how do you scroll contact-list? F11 key is a full screen key. Have you remap this key in weechat?
[20:30] <kubast2> Hey ,why there are no logs for /usr/sbin/sshd when using one of apparmor profiles in complain mode ,but there are DENIALS in audit log when using ENFORCING mode on a profile?
[20:31] <kubast2> I mean if complain mode doesn't leave a log then what's a perpouse of it?
[20:32] <kubast2> " AppArmor profiles can be in one of two modes: enforcement and complain. Profiles loaded in enforcement mode will result in enforcement of the policy defined in the profile as well as reporting policy violation attempts (either via syslog or auditd). Profiles in complain mode will not enforce policy but instead report policy violation attempts."
[20:33] <dersand> I'm trying to use ubuntu on live-usb. I get the error message "Unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[20:35] <ddr_> dersand, when booting choose to boot from usb
[20:36] <dersand> ddr_: i did
[20:38] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | dersand :: Did you verify ?
[20:43] <OpenSorce> And now the fun begins... Ubuntu installed flawlessly but grub doesn't see my two windows 10 installs. :-(
[20:44] <k1l_> OpenSorce: "sudo parted -l" in a pastebin please.
[20:45] <k1l_> and put a "sudo update-grub" in there too
[20:45] <OpenSorce> k1l_, kk
[20:48] <nick__> Hello Everyone
[20:48] <OpenSorce> k1l_, http://pastebin.com/bhUAU5Vx
[20:49] <OpenSorce> I think they might be there but listed as "Windows Recovery Environment" it's the right drives...
[20:50] <k1l_> what is when you choose those entries in grub?
[20:50] <k1l_> and any reason not to use ext4?
[20:50] <OpenSorce> wait, not the /dev/sdd1 that's the usb drive.
[20:51] <OpenSorce> k1l_, I am using ext4 on the new install.
[20:51] <k1l_> ah, that is the 12.04 old install
[20:51] <OpenSorce> yeah. That's an old ATA drive that I should have pulled out last year.
[20:52] <OpenSorce> Let me try selecting that other "Recovery" brb..
[20:52] <k1l_> he finds a windows 7 on sda1 and a windows recovery on sdb1
[20:57] <dersand> Okay, so i got past that issue i had before. Now when i "try ubuntu", i see the ubuntu logo, but after a while the monitor just goes dark. I've tried all ports, hdmi, vga, both internal and on graphics card. nothing.
[21:02] <ribbles> hello?
[21:02] <OpenSorce> k1l_, windows recovery was it. Sorry to bother you :-)
[21:03] <amanojaku> Howdy, I installed fglrx propritary on ubuntu and lost my gui, how do i switch back to open from command line
[21:03] <ribbles> hey how do i make a private IRC channel? on ubuntu?
[21:03] <k1l_> OpenSorce: no problem. you can make own grub scripts an name them properly and set the OS-proper to inactive if you would like another naming in grub
[21:03] <OpenSorce> ribbles, check with the guys over in #freenode
[21:03] <EriC^^> amontalenti_: boot into recovery mode
[21:04] <ribbles> okay i will go to freenode thanks
[21:04] <ecugames> Hola?
[21:04] <OpenSorce> k1l_, will do, thanks again :-)
[21:04] <ribbles> damn i can't go into freenode
[21:04] <k1l_> amanojaku: sudo apt-get purge fglrx
[21:05] <k1l_> then reboot
[21:06] <nicomachus> someone decided to try those new Crimson features...
[21:09] <ddr_> smb can help me with this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/702077/error-attempt-to-read-or-write-outside-of-partition ?
[21:09] <amanojaku> k1l_, I lost my gui...still
[21:10] <nat0> Anyone know why preseeding a Precise install insists on locating precise-updates/Release when it's not necessary here?
[21:10] <nat0> It's preventing me from PXE-installing 14.04 for no discernable reason...
[21:10] <k1l_> amanojaku: did it remove fglrx? was it installed from the repo? or from the website? you need to describe way more so people can help you.
[21:11] <pc0> exit
[21:11] <k1l_> i dont know much about amd/nvidia stuff. but that command will revert the prop. driver and make the open source driver work again if you did not do anything manually
[21:12] <amanojaku> k1l_I installed from the repo, there is a hardware driver update
[21:12] <amanojaku> k1l_, But the computer says it was not installed after it says it was installed...nice
[21:13] <k1l_> amanojaku: try a "sudo apt-get purge fglrx*"
[21:14] <amanojaku> k1l_, It says it was not installed
[21:14] <amanojaku> k1l_, WTF
[21:14] <EriC^^> amanojaku: what did you install?
[21:15] <amanojaku> I clicked the little option in the hardware drivers for ati proprietary, it too a while but it installed then I rebooted
[21:15] <amanojaku> it took a while, it confirmed the install and then I rebooted
[21:15] <EriC^^> amanojaku: type dpkg -l | grep "fglrx\|ati"
[21:16] <amanojaku> EriC^^, okay, and?
[21:16] <EriC^^> paste here
[21:17] <amanojaku> EriC^^, Nothing to paste, I get a blank line
[21:17] <amanojaku> EriC^^, Is there a command to simply reset xorg?
[21:17] <Penorsaurus> is there a way to install flash on ubuntu's latest release?
[21:18] <EriC^^> amanojaku: type sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-{ati,radeon}
[21:18] <Penorsaurus> apt-get install flashplugin-installer doesn't work
[21:18] <brothersome> amanojaku, I did uninstall the gdm and install lightdm - that solved my gui
[21:22] <amanojaku> I broke my ubuntu
[21:22] <amanojaku> ugh
[21:22] <gzcwnk> oopsie
[21:23] <EriC^^> amanojaku: did you install those packages?
[21:23] <brothersome> amanojaku, Ctrl-Shift F1
[21:23] <Penorsaurus> for whatever reason
[21:23] <Penorsaurus> on ubuntu, whenever I load flash
[21:23] <amanojaku> EriC^^, Says I have impossible dependencies
[21:23] <Penorsaurus> it is just a white box
[21:23] <Penorsaurus> any idea why?
[21:23] <EriC^^> amanojaku: something else is going on, cause installing fglrx doesn't remove the open source drivers it just adds the fglrx ones
[21:23] <Penorsaurus> i'm using XVFB
[21:23] <EriC^^> amanojaku: type sudo apt-get -f install
[21:23] <brothersome> amanojaku, sudo apt-get remove gdm, sudp apt-get install lightdm
[21:25] <amanojaku> EriC^^, That command yielded nothing
[21:25] <EriC^^> amanojaku: try sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-{ati,radeon}
[21:25] <amanojaku> Time to swap distros
[21:27] <gzcwnk> amano if u break ubuntu you will break others
[21:28] <EriC^^> if you break ubuntu, you will demolish others
[21:28] <sruli> might be the wrong place to ask, but i searched the net and cannot find an answer, is there a veracrypt expander for linux? i can only find one for windows, how do i expand my veracrypt volume in linux?
[21:28] <amanojaku> EriC^^, Command not found
[21:28] <gzcwnk> hehehe
[21:28] <gzcwnk> you are biased :P
[21:28] <amanojaku> gzcwnk, I did a fresh install, changed the gui driver and it broke. Not impressed
[21:29] <gzcwnk> amano and its going to be easier in another distro?
[21:29] <EriC^^> amanojaku: sudo command not found?
[21:29] <amanojaku> gzcwnk, I used the interfacem I did not even install it myself. If you do it yourself, okay, it can break, but using the interface? Bah!
[21:29] <EriC^^> amanojaku: something else is going on
[21:29] <amanojaku> EriC^^, The xserver thingy command was not found
[21:29] <EriC^^> amanojaku: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-{ati,radeon}
[21:30] <amanojaku> EriC^^, "Command not found"
[21:30] <EriC^^> amanojaku: sudo or apt-get ?
[21:30] <mgmg> anyone know where exactly to put nomodeset when starting up linux mint
[21:30] <OerHeks> that command is correct, it should reverse to the open driver
[21:30] <EriC^^> amanojaku: where are you logged in right now? tty1?
[21:31] <EriC^^> mgmg: after quiet splash in the kernel line in grub
[21:31] <bob3247> ubuntu 15.10 been trying to fix my sound which was working up til today and is now silent - how can i reset my sound settings to the default ubuntu setup that I had before and was working fine ?
[21:31] <amanojaku> Is there a way for the package manager to sort itself?
[21:32] <amanojaku> Some command to clean things up?
[21:32] <EriC^^> amanojaku: is there a way for you to tell us what the commands return?
[21:32] <EriC^^> :D
[21:32] <mgmg> ok i have something that says $vt_handoff_
[21:32] <mgmg> should i put it un just before that
[21:32] <EriC^^> mgmg: yeah
[21:33] <amanojaku> "Unable to correct problems, you have broken packages"
[21:33] <mgmg> thanks will try it now
[21:33] <EriC^^> amanojaku: ok, type sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:33] <EriC^^> paste the link here amanojaku
[21:34] <amanojaku> i'm reinstalling and staying the duck away from the graphics driver dialog box
[21:35] <mgmg> I can get tot the login screen and its fine but when I log in its just a blank screen and mouse pointer
[21:35] <EriC^^> !mint | mgmg
[21:35] <EriC^^> they can probably help you
[21:35] <mgmg> I have a feeling it might have something to do with updates from different repos
[21:36] <mgmg> ok thanks Eric^^
[21:37] <amanojaku> EriC^^, But thanks for trying, you went above and beyond
[21:37] <EriC^^> amanojaku: np
[21:40] <ddr_> smb can help me with this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/702077/error-attempt-to-read-or-write-outside-of-partition ?
[21:42] <ribbles> hello
[21:43] <ribbles> hey speaking of ubuntu how do i learn C really fast?
[21:44] <ribbles> anyone there?
[21:44] <brothersome> ribbles, Codelite and a make a lot of examples
[21:44] <ribbles> such a busy chat everyone leaving and coming
[21:44] <bprompt> ribbles: get a good C book :/
[21:44] <ribbles> brothersome
[21:44] <ribbles> thanks
[21:45] <SeriouslyLaugh> yeah this is one of the most popular channels on freenode
[21:45] <SeriouslyLaugh> second or third
[21:45] <ribbles> thank bprompt
[21:45] <ribbles> really? i've been trying to make my own private chat
[21:45] <bprompt> ribbles: tis called a netsplit, they're not leaving and coming back, it's a netsplit, some servers are getting a downtime for a few secs, is all
[21:45] <ribbles> ah i see
[21:46] <SeriouslyLaugh> i personaly have parts and joins disabled for this channel
[21:46] <ribbles> okay so i've just got code light via ubuntu
[21:46] <SeriouslyLaugh> it averages 2000 users at any given time, most lurking
[21:47] <brothersome> ribbles, CodeLite ah, My famous ide and you need to have the gcc compiler
[21:47] <ribbles> what's gcc compiler?
[21:48] <brothersome> Gnu C Compiler: Text -> Object files -> Executable / Shared objects
[21:48] <ribbles> bluefish editor has more downloads should i just get that?
[21:48] <huttan> ribbles: it converts your C code to machine code that the hardware can process
[21:48] <brothersome> CodeLite is very powerfull
[21:48] <ribbles> how about GNU C compliler?
[21:49] <ribbles> should i get that?
[21:49] <huttan> ribbles: what you think gcc stand for ?? :)
[21:49] <bprompt> ribbles: bluefish is a webdev editor, not a great one either
[21:49] <ribbles> oh okay thanks :)
[21:49] <brothersome> ribbles, GCC (Gnu C Compiler) is the standard C compiler for Linux
[21:49] <ddr_> smb can help me with this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/702077/error-attempt-to-read-or-write-outside-of-partition ?
[21:50] <bob3247> can anyone help with a ubuntu sound problem?
[21:50] <ribbles> okay i've open the code light and it's asking me the setup
[21:51] <ribbles> and i think it already has a GCC
[21:51] <TJ-> ddr_: have you configured the disks for some kind of RAID in BIOS?
[21:51] <ddr_> TJ-, no
[21:51] <brothersome> ribbles, you can make a new project and then it makes a Hello World example
[21:52] <TJ-> ddr_: You'd best boot the PC from a Live ISO image, and use the "Try Ubuntu" option so you've got a working recovery environment
[21:52] <ddr_> TJ-, i agree, but i dont know how
[21:53] <huttan> ribbles: search youtube for C tutorial aswell, there are lots of great courses there to learn from nothing. Now I wont discuss this more as its not really Ubuntu related :)
[21:53] <SeriouslyLaugh> to build on TJ-'s idea, ddr_ i would reccomend reinstalling grub
[21:53] <OpenSorce> Anyone know enough about lxde to tell me how to make it launch an app without that app being decorated? So the app can use it's own titlebar?
[21:54] <dingo> hello fellow users. This is my first experience with ubuntu MATE. Happy to be here.
[21:54] <ddr_> SeriouslyLaugh, give me a link to tutorial showing how to reinstall the grub
[21:54] <ribbles> huttan i thought ubuntu is made with python and apparently C can be converted to python so technically isn't this ubuntu related? i won't say anymore as i don't want to upset you people
[21:55] <TJ-> ddr_: DO NOT do anything that writes to the disk, until you know the extent of the issue!
[21:55] <TJ-> ddr_: You need to boot the PC with the Live (installer) desktop ISO image (on DVD or USB)
[21:56] <bprompt> ddr_: how big is the hdd? how many partitions in it? where's windows8 installed to? where's ubuntu 12.04 installed to?
[21:56] <OerHeks> TJ-, +1, you will need a live iso to repair grub anyway
[21:57] <ddr_> bprompt, TJ-, this may help : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kygsheuyjjpauly/AACUQIvKKkMsEaWZnIWIKBiSa?dl=0
[21:57] <btrfs_corruption> Hello. I'm currently running btrfs defragment. I want to reboot the machine. Is it dangerous to interrupt btrfs defrags?
[21:58] <bprompt> OpenSorce: how to launch w0t? you can remove "decoration" from any window by just right-clicking on the window titlebar in lxde and clicking on "undecorate"
[21:58] <huttan> ribbles: Its written in C. And almost all languages originates from C, so by that definition this would be a windows channel aswell, as thats also is written in C :) Gotta stop somewhere?
[21:58] <OpenSorce> bprompt, right which leaves you with no close, minimize or maximize buttons.
[21:59] <dfcnvt> I just ran 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' and learned that during the middle of it - it just sit there with a '100% [Working]' and not moving on...What's the problem?
[21:59] <bprompt> OpenSorce: well, that IS what you asked for :)
[21:59] <OpenSorce> bprompt, if it's launched with the decorations it uses it's own buttons. I've done it before I just can't remember how...
[21:59] <OpenSorce> s/with/without
[22:01] <bprompt> OpenSorce: hmmm I've seen that only in google chrome, where you can just right-click chrome's tab area and click on "use system title bars and borders", but not other app, so, I'd assume that may be provided by the app that has its own decorations itself, keeping in mind that most apps would leave it to the window manager
[22:02] <OpenSorce> bprompt, yeah Chromium is working that way. Trying to get Firefox to do it :-P
[22:02] <bprompt> ddr_: the site seems to be running slow for those images... so.. hmm got info?
[22:02] <bprompt> ddr_: how big is the hdd? how many partitions in it? where's windows8 installed to? where's ubuntu 12.04 installed to?
[22:03] <bprompt> OpenSorce: " I'd assume that may be provided by the app that has its own decorations itself, keeping in mind that most apps would leave it to the window manager" <----
[22:03] <ddr_> bprompt, what site is running slow?
[22:03] <bprompt> OpenSorce: if the app doesn't provide its own, and leaves it to the window manager, then you'd be left, again, with no buttons at all :P
[22:04] <bprompt> OpenSorce: and not very sure firefox does
[22:04] <bprompt> ddr_: dropbox
[22:04] <OpenSorce> bprompt, it does when I exclude it in BlackBox so it should with LXDE. I'll figure it out, thanks for the input man :-)
[22:06] <bprompt> OpenSorce: checked in about:config yet?
[22:07] <OpenSorce> bprompt, holy s*** I think that's how I did it last time...
[22:07] <ddr_> bprompt, see here then the images: http://imgur.com/a/LAquZ
[22:08] <bprompt> hmmm
[22:08] <bprompt> ddr_: so... in short you dunno?
[22:08] <egggs> hi has anyone tried the new amd open source drivers they just released?
[22:08] <ddr_> bprompt, what i dont know?
[22:08] <bprompt> ddr_: how big is the hdd? how many partitions in it? where's windows8 installed to? where's ubuntu 12.04 installed to?
[22:09] <bprompt> egggs: I have an intel gpu, so not myself =)
[22:09] <ddr_> bprompt, whell, the size of the hdd u can see in the images. but yes, i dont remember where is installed each OS
[22:10] <OpenSorce> bprompt, lol Firefox gives a "This might void your warranty" warning going into about:config :-P
[22:10] <bprompt> OpenSorce: just don't forget to click on "I'll be careful, I promise" button, and mean it :P
[22:11] <OpenSorce> bprompt, wow...
[22:13] <bprompt> ddr_: hmm anyhow.... pics for something that may take not more than 10characters... dunno.... but as TJ- and others suggested, first off, you'd need a liveusb session, so you'd need to get the 12.04 iso and burn it to usb, boot from it, then you can fix about grub, once logged in there, you can check how big the hdd is, and who is where, you'd need that give it an update-grub and grub-install over a chroot session
[22:14] <bprompt> ddr_: but the error message you have, it's just a bootloader issue, nothing wrong with windows8 or ubuntu installations
[22:15] <ddr_> bprompt, ok, then how do i solve my problem?
[22:15] <bprompt> ddr_: read above :)
[22:16] <Renfried> anyone have any experience with wireless external hard disks, and compatibility with ubuntu... thinking of getting one, about 2-3TB, and want something i can hook up to the router and access it wirelessly over the network
[22:16] <ddr_> bprompt, to reinstall the grub¿?
[22:16] <bprompt> ddr_: yes
[22:19] <ikonia> Renfried: not really an ubuntu issue
[22:20] <ikonia> Renfried: ubuntu will mount any network file system it support, eg: NFS, samba/CIFS, e-sata, so as long as the device you buy shares via one of those, you're fine
[22:20] <Renfried> ikonia: apart from i want to use it with ubuntu, no not really, I asked in #ubuntu-offtopic, and they suggested here
[22:21] <Renfried> ikonia: The difference is i want to access it wirelessly instead of wiring it to the machine itself, maybe that makes no difference, but i imagine it will
[22:22] <ikonia> Renfried: right, and I've just explained why it's not really an ubuntu issue, and it's not "how well they work with ubuntu" - it will work just fine if you buy one that shares out via the supported file systems
[22:26] * tsimonq2 is gone: test
[22:26] <Renfried> well, i'll just leave then, thanks for the chat, surprised i am pretty much the only question in 10 minutes, so friendly :)
[22:26] <wafflejock1> Renfried: yeah any NAS basically will support a protocol that you can mount the FS and use it remotely, if you're transferring large files to it having a wired connection while doing that will make a huge difference, can typically stream video over wireless without a problem though assuming you signal strength isn't terrible
[22:26] <k1l_> tsimonq2: eeeeek
[22:30] <ddr_> hi, i try to resintall the grub, i follow this tutorial: http://www.howtogeek.com/114884/how-to-repair-grub2-when-ubuntu-wont-boot/ and i got this problem: http://imgur.com/eA98l3Z
[22:30] <SK4T3RG4M3R> Hi! I am thinking of installing Ubuntu on my laptop, so I installed it on a usb drive and loaded up the Live version, but when I get into it, it says I don't have an internet connection. When I use Windows , though it sayi do. My internets working fine, so I would like some help! Thank you!
[22:31] <sukee> any good app like open hardware monitor for ubuntu ?
[22:35] <VictoriaXOXO> sukee: The free Open Hardware Monitor software runs on 32-bit and 64-bit Microsoft Windows XP / Vista / 7 and any x86 based Linux operating systems without installation.
[22:35] <bprompt> SK4T3RG4M3R: hmmm nevermind the connection for now, you can just install it without the connection anyway
[22:35] <sukee> VictoriaXOXO, oh ok then ill try it
[22:36] <VictoriaXOXO> sukee: Or this? https://alternativeto.net/software/hardinfo/?platform=linux
[22:36] <bprompt> sukee: open hardware w0t? what are you trying to monitor?
[22:36] <ddr_> bprompt, continuing our discution: i try to resintall the grub, i follow this tutorial: http://www.howtogeek.com/114884/how-to-repair-grub2-when-ubuntu-wont-boot/ and i got this problem: http://imgur.com/eA98l3Z
[22:37] <ddr_> SK4T3RG4M3R, have u entered the cedentials in the ubuntu internet?
[22:37] <SK4T3RG4M3R> bprompt: But what if I want to try the browser
[22:37] <sukee> bprompt, i am trying to monitor temperature and stuff
[22:38] <daftykins> SK4T3RG4M3R: identify your wired network adapter make and model either from Windows or from ubuntu
[22:38] <SK4T3RG4M3R> ddr_, daftykins, bprompt, is there a list of available wi-fi connections in Ubuntu?
[22:38] <cluelessperson> Question, is there anywhere documented the directory structure /bin/ /usr/local /usr/share etc?
[22:38] <cluelessperson> because it's extremely confusing
[22:39] <daftykins> SK4T3RG4M3R: there is if your wireless adapter is supported, again, you'll need to identify it first so we can say if it'll work or not (obviously it didn't)
[22:39] <bprompt> SK4T3RG4M3R: you can use the browser afterwards
[22:39] <bprompt> sukee: checked in for "conky" or "gkrellm" yet?
[22:39] <bprompt> !conky | sukee
[22:39] <SK4T3RG4M3R> how do i do that
[22:40] <k1l_> cluelessperson: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[22:40] <mcphail> cluelessperson: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/
[22:40] <daftykins> SK4T3RG4M3R: you're typing from Windows right now presumably? run devmgmt.msc and look up the network adapter section
[22:40] <bprompt> !gkrellm | sukee
[22:40] <SK4T3RG4M3R> yes but i have a laptop and a pc. I am on pc and pc is using ethernet on the same thing im trying to connect to. Ill try though
[22:41] <sukee> bprompt, should i run these commands on terminal ?
[22:41] <daftykins> SK4T3RG4M3R: ok so either boot windows or ubuntu on the target system, THEN you can identify the device :)
[22:42] <bprompt> sukee: nope, just check the repositories for them :), those are system monitors for hdd access, ram and temp
[22:42] <ddr_> bprompt, continuing our discution: i try to resintall the grub, i follow this tutorial: http://www.howtogeek.com/114884/how-to-repair-grub2-when-ubuntu-wont-boot/ and i got this problem: http://imgur.com/eA98l3Z
[22:42] <SK4T3RG4M3R> Ok ill try
[22:43] <bprompt> sukee: I use indicator-multiload, does hdd reads/writes and ram, no temp though, not that I can recall that is =)
[22:43] <bprompt> !indicator-multiload | sukee
[22:43] <bprompt> hmm
[22:43] <bprompt> sukee: bot seems to be drawing blanks, but anyhow, they're in the repositories from what I can tell
[22:44] <sukee> i need temperatures also
[22:44] <bprompt> sukee: gkrellm or conky would do that then
[22:48] <ddr_> hi, i try to resintall the grub, i follow this tutorial: http://www.howtogeek.com/114884/how-to-repair-grub2-when-ubuntu-wont-boot/ and i got this problem: http://imgur.com/eA98l3Z
[22:50] <SK4T3RG4M3R> daftykins: I think it is Dell Wireless 1395 WLAN Mini-card
[22:50] <Bashing-om> ddr_: GPT partitioning - fdisk does not support that scheme . install gdisk that does .. and see what the story is .
[22:51] <daftykins> SK4T3RG4M3R: ok, for the purposes of setup, does this laptop have a wired network connection you could use to get it going?
[22:51] <daftykins> also which laptop is this?
[22:52] <SK4T3RG4M3R> Umm, I may be able to use my Xbox 360 one lemme check, daftykins
[22:53] <daftykins> network cable? yeah i don't need to know which, just any spare to get it online.
[22:55] <SK4T3RG4M3R> daftykins ill take it out of the pc real quick and connect using ubuntu
[23:02] <SK4T3RG4M3R> daftykins m connected on ubuntu
[23:04] <mib_mib> hi all - i am trying to mount my new raid array at /var, by putting a line in /etc/fstab
[23:04] <daftykins> SK4T3RG4M3R: ok so open the terminal application with ctrl+alt+T then run "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999"
[23:04] <ddr_> Bashing-om, give the link to some tutorial, i am not able to find any suitable
[23:04] <mib_mib> what is the difference between /dev/md/3 and /dev/md3?
[23:04] <daftykins> mib_mib: the first is wrong and the second is right
[23:04] <mib_mib> i see already in there that it has /dev/md/1 /dev/md/2 etc
[23:05] <mib_mib> what are those about
[23:06] <daftykins> run "sudo parted -l" and see what's a RAID and what isn't :)
[23:06] <mib_mib> i think those are raids
[23:06] <SK4T3RG4M3R> i ran the comannd
[23:06] <daftykins> SK4T3RG4M3R: it would've given you a URL to paste here
[23:06] <SK4T3RG4M3R> draftykins
[23:07] <daftykins> i'm not even vaguely drafty, i wonder why folks always say that...
[23:07] <SK4T3RG4M3R> http://termbin.com/6ydu
[23:07] <mib_mib> daftykins: Model: Linux Software RAID Array (md) Disk /dev/md2: 475GB - so why would it have "/dev/md/2 / ext4 defaults 0 0" in there?
[23:07] <mib_mib> daftykins: instead of /dev/md2 ?
[23:07] <k1l_> ah, the bcm43xx classic
[23:08] <daftykins> yep the Dell wireless always is :)
[23:08] <daftykins> !broadcom | SK4T3RG4M3R read here for how to get your broadcom BCM4312 working.
[23:08] <SK4T3RG4M3R> thx guys
[23:15] <Bashing-om> ddr_: http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/ ; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2224130&page=2&p=13023988#post13023988 ; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1439794 .
[23:17] <MWM> Id like to set the OS choice screen (grub?) to a lower time limit : 23s until the selected option....
[23:17] <daftykins> MWM: "sudo nano /etc/default/grub"
[23:17] <daftykins> change the value; "sudo update-grub" ; enjoy
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[23:19] <alain> hello, anyone can help to install my printer...yes it's an HP.
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[23:20] <alain> hello, anyone can help to install my printer...yes it's an HP.
[23:20] <Deez_Nuts> throw it away.
[23:20] <daftykins> alain: visit http://localhost:631 and see if it's been installed auto / has options
[23:20] <k1l_> !hplip
[23:20] <bazhang> linuxprinting.org database; check there first alain
[23:20] <daftykins> !behelpful | Deez_Nuts
[23:20] <OerHeks> Deez_Nuts, that sounds helpfull .. not
[23:20] <VictoriaXOXO> Why do they keep coming here with those random lines of text? Who are they? :/
[23:21] <alain> thanks I will try that...actually it's not found..
[23:21] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: its a botnet. its spam. dont mind it
[23:21] <OerHeks> HP should be good supported.
[23:21] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Okay, but why target #ubuntu of all places?
[23:21] <daftykins> !ot | VictoriaXOXO take it elsewhere thanks
[23:21] <OerHeks> top 10 channel, obviously
[23:21] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: its one of the biggest channels on freenode. they are trolls, dont ask for a reason.
[23:22] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: k1l_ already answered me now. :o)
[23:22] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Okay. Thanks.
[23:22] <Bashing-om> MWM: Grub: .. If a previous boot had some problem .. the timeout gets set to 30 . Normal default is 10 seconds .
[23:22] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: yeah, but in future try to realise that talking about the trolls also feeds them.
[23:23] <MWM> @Bashing-on : Thanks
[23:23] <mib_mib> i am seeing in the syslog that my raid array is trying to be loaded as md127 which is wrong (should be md3) - i see this here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1764861 - is it still a bug if i put a name directive?
[23:23] <daftykins> mib_mib: actually just mount via UUID instead
[23:24] <daftykins> as is tradition for fstab
[23:24] <alain> Thank you daftykins it works perfectly!
[23:25] <daftykins> as if there was any doubt (:
[23:26] <mib_mib> daftykins: okay, so i will just remove the "name=master-db:3" part and hope that works
[23:26] <daftykins> mib_mib: that's in your fstab? wow yeah that's a million miles from what should be done
[23:27] <mib_mib> daftykins: the whole line looks like ARRAY /dev/md/3 metadata=1.2 UUID=d4b39205:aa3db642:418cac6a:7686a73f name=master-db:3
[23:27] <daftykins> in fstab? no that's not right
[23:27] <mib_mib> daftykins: it isn't?
[23:28] <mib_mib> oh no, i ean in the mdadm.conf sorry
[23:28] <daftykins> oh ok.
[23:33] <logglog> hello everyone, I would like to connect to a pc over internet to use his printer as my default priner. I am not talking about network like office network. I want to connect over the internet to that pcs printer. Is there a way to do that
[23:37] <mib_mib> i mounted my second raid array as /var (going to install mysql)
[23:37] <mib_mib> is there a way i can tell from a rescue system if everything is going to work properly?
[23:38] <cklmercer> Hi guys. I've decided tonight I'm making the switch to Ubuntu Desktop. Been using the server version for servers and I'm tired of the pains of developing in a Windows env. Any advise on how I can make an Ubuntu 15.10 bootable USB from windows 10 env?
[23:38] <daftykins> cklmercer: UUI from pendrivelinux.com is fine
[23:38] <daftykins> cklmercer: however if your system is EFI capable, just extract the ISO contents to a FAT32 formatted flash drive
[23:39] <daftykins> cklmercer: bear in mind you must install ubuntu as the same mode Win10 was installed; EFI or legacy - in order to dual boot
[23:39] <mib_mib> daftykins: it still is thinking there is something called md127: "md/raid1:md127: not clean -- starting background reconstruction"
[23:39] <mib_mib> what is this about? i have no md127 specified
[23:39] <daftykins> dunno, i'm not really into mdadm stuff
[23:39] <cklmercer> daftykins: awesome. pendrivelinux is telling me 15.10 is incompatible, their list stops at 15.04 and I wanted to make sure I was in the clear before adventuring off. My motherboard is indeed EFI capable.
[23:40] <daftykins> cklmercer: ok and is your win10 install done so? bear in mind you get to enjoy regular upgrade hell with a release such as 15.10; whilst 14.04.3 gives you a nice LTS base
[23:40] <cklmercer> daftykins: no interest in dual-booting right now. Maybe later when I regain my urge to game.
[23:40] <daftykins> oh ok so ubuntu will be on its' own, proper drive wipe?
[23:41] <cklmercer> daftykins: Isn't 14.04 the last LTS? Maybe that's just some non-sense I heard, but if it is then I figure I might as well get used to it.
[23:41] <daftykins> cklmercer: no, 16.04 will be LTS
[23:41] <cklmercer> daftykins: also, I'm not sure about my Windows 10 install. It's been a while..
[23:41] <unions> hi guys, is there someone who can help me with xmodmap?
[23:42] <cklmercer> daftykins: oh.. okay. so maybe stick with 14.04 and wait on features until then..
[23:42] <daftykins> cklmercer: if you boot the live session, you can check from there... or just run diskmgmt.msc and look for an EFI partition
[23:42] <cklmercer> daftykins: I'm afraid it maybe UEFI..
[23:43] <daftykins> well if you only want ubuntu installed it doesn't matter, you can just nuke your whole drive
[23:43] <daftykins> unions: best to ask the channel with your actual question to get a reply
[23:43] <cklmercer> daftykins: that's the plan.
[23:44] <daftykins> cklmercer: so yeah, throw in a flash drive -> FAT32 format -> use something like WinRAR that can extract the Ubuntu ISO to the drive... job done
[23:44] <unions> daftykins: you're right. thank you.
[23:44] <cklmercer> daftykins: I really appreciate the quick help. I'll be back once I have an OS on my drive.
[23:46] <Mega> Could someone tell me please how can I change file permissions with CHMOD from 650 to 654 WITHOUT changing 65, only last 0?
[23:47] <Mega> So, do not affect first part, change only permissions 'for all'
[23:47] <daftykins> your query makes no sense Mega, you just run "chmod 654 /foo/bar"
[23:48] <Mega> daftykins, of course it's make, I have to do it with bunch of files, some of them has permissions 750, some 650, some 770 etc
[23:48] <Mega> it makes*
[23:48] <logglog> cklmercer: i am using rufus, the best for puting windows / linux on usb at windows os
[23:49] <logglog> it also offers for uefi
[23:50] <daftykins> Mega: right well that wasn't described in your original question :)
[23:50] <cklmercer> logglog: i may check that out later when I want to dualboot, but for the time being I want to "fully immerse" myself. Not too worried about the swap because, if nothing else, I'm comfortable with a linux cli.
[23:51] <daftykins> logglog: no point using a program at all when EFI boot is available.
[23:51] <cklmercer> logglog: so, i'm just going to wipe my primary drive because it's strictly windows and video games that don't run on linux.
[23:59] <menoob> hi guys, I'm struggeling on remaping some keys with xmodmap. I would like to remap the keycombination "alt+space" with the key "l". I did the following xmodmap -e "keysym 204+65 = l L l L lstroke Lstroke lstroke"
[23:59] <menoob> - but that didnt work
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[01:28] <hggdh> /join/join #lxcontainer
[14:56] <brendand> elopio, hi
[15:31] <elopio> brendand: hello. How are you?
[15:40] <flocculant> afternoon quality people :)
[16:40] <flocculant> balloons: bug 1189621 - do we really need that testcase hanging about?
[16:40] <flocculant> also bug 1519417
[16:41] <balloons> for 1189621, yes, it's a stub for jenkins tests, and is desired
[16:41] <balloons> well, some people desire it :-
[16:41] <balloons> re: wubi, I remember us removing those tests. ?
[16:46] <flocculant> well they are still there :)
[16:46] <flocculant> balloons: unless you mean remove from testsuites - I mean remove them from the project
[16:47] <flocculant> bug 1268942 just needs bluetooth adding to an ubuntu testsuite - or if you don't want it testing marking accordingly :)
[16:48] <balloons> flocculant, I'm happy to do both for wubi
[16:48] <balloons> remove it from all
[16:52] <flocculant> ok I'll do that now
[16:59] <flocculant> balloons: mmm ok - done the code side, I don't appear to be able to delete those 3 tests from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases however
[16:59] <balloons> flocculant, well you can't delete anything, just disabl
[17:00] <balloons> so i would edit the 2 testsuites and disable them
[17:00] <balloons> which i've done
[17:01] <flocculant> ok cheers :)
[17:01] <flocculant> just had a bit of time today to look at bugs and the code :)
[17:04] <flocculant> if we can clear bugs a few at a time it'll get cleared by 18.04 :D
[17:04] <flocculant> balloons: btw studio have a qa guy now, who's trying to get the testcases dealt with https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2015-November/007124.html
[20:45] <balloons> flocculant, 18.04, new goal!
[20:45] <balloons> dobey, turns out my post to ubuntu-devel-announce was rejected
[20:47] <flocculant> always have to have goals :p
[21:02] <dobey> balloons: because you're not one of the cool kids?
[21:02] <balloons> dobey, clearly
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-cn
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[00:12] <^k^> 新 软件推荐 • lua-shell v5.11发布 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474022 大家好，我在写一个*nix shell，现在已经有了第一个版本：github.com/weiweishuo/lsh lua-shell(lsh)是为不喜欢bash 脚本，不想学习sed, awk的程序员设计的。 相较bash，它有两个特点： 1，以lua作为脚本语言。 2，提供一个
[00:12] <^k^> ─> 内建的vim解析器，用来替代sed, awk做文本处理。 下面是几个demo，看一遍就知道这个shell的 …
[01:11] <^k^> 新 网卡问题以及网络和拨号 • 网络知识超级难学，各位有这个观点吗？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474023 我同时在自学：计算机网络、mysql数据库、php、网页设计。 感觉计算机网络超级抽象，太难学了，其他几门课加起来都没有这么难。 各位，有这种感觉吗？ zz: pengsir
[01:11] <^k^> ─> — 2015-11-24 9:11
[01:26] <Sevk> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • 在Ubuntu中安装了devstack，执行./stack.sh出错，求大神指教 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474025 错误如下： | + cd /opt/stack/requirements 2015-11-24 01:03:26.124 | + git remote set-url origin git://git.openstack.org/openstack/requirements.git 2015-11-24 01:03:26.139 | fatal: Not a git repository (or
[01:26] <Sevk> ─> any of the parent directories): .git 2015-11-24 01:03:26.143 | + exit_trap 2015-11-24 01:03:26.143 | + local r=128 20 …
[01:26] <ubrl> ⇪ t: 在Ubuntu中安装了devstack，执行./stack.sh出错，求大神指教 - 查看主题 • Ubuntu中文论坛 zz: nangui.hu
[01:27] <Sevk> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • 在Ubuntu中安装了devstack，执行./stack.sh出错，求大神指教 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474027 错误如下： | + cd /opt/stack/requirements 2015-11-24 01:03:26.124 | + git remote set-url origin git://git.openstack.org/openstack/requirements.git 2015-11-24 01:03:26.139 | fatal: Not a git repository (or
[01:27] <Sevk> ─> any of the parent directories): .git 2015-11-24 01:03:26.143 | + exit_trap 2015-11-24 01:03:26.143 | + local r=128 20 …
[01:27] <ubrl> ⇪ f: 取标题 invalid byte sequence in UTF-8
[01:31] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • 在Ubuntu中安装了devstack，执行./stack.sh出错，求大神指教 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474029 错误如下： | + cd /opt/stack/requirements 2015-11-24 01:03:26.124 | + git remote set-url origin git://git.openstack.org/openstack/requirements.git 2015-11-24 01:03:26.139 | fatal: Not a git repository (or a
[01:31] <^k^> ─> ny of the parent directories): .git 2015-11-24 01:03:26.143 | + exit_trap 2015-11-24 01:03:26.143 | + local r=128 201 …
[03:05] <onlylove> http://www.oschina.net/news/68320/fedora-21-will-end-mission-in-january-2016
[03:05] <ubrl> ⇪ t: Fedora 21 将于明年 1 月结束使命 - 开源中国社区
[03:05] <onlylove> 坐等py3和wayland
[03:09] <onlylove> http://blog.jobbole.com/94975/
[03:09] <ubrl> ⇪ t: 现代 Linux 是不是太复杂？（续） - 博客 - 伯乐在线
[03:11] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • 新手请教：关于libgfortran.so.3报错的问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474030 运行一个程序，结果报错：bin/prosite/pfscan: error while loading shared libraries: libgfortran.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory。查了一下，系统上没有libgfortran.so.3，软件中心
[03:11] <^k^> ─> 里也没有？要去哪下？怎么下？ zz: shawrain — 2015-11-24 11:10
[03:25] <onlylove> systemd系统……
[03:25] <onlylove> emacs系统
[03:25] <onlylove> 还有啥系统
[05:03] <kandu> onlylove_: py3 是指 python3?
[05:04] <onlylove_> kandu: 嗯，python3，fedora要上
[05:05] <onlylove_> http://www.cnblogs.com/tobecrazy/p/4564902.html
[05:05] <ubrl> onlylove_: ⇪ selenium 测试框架中使用grid - to be crazy - 博客园
[05:06] <onlylove_> 这个小鱼效果不错诶
[05:06] <onlylove_> 居然是flash
[05:06] <onlylove_> 我还以为是别的东西做的
[05:13] <iMadper> MangHuo: http://faxian.smzdm.com/p/789135/
[05:13] <ubrl> iMadper: ⇪ Orient 东方双狮 CEM65004M 男款潜水机械腕表 $68.46（需用码，约￥490）_美国亚马逊优惠_发现频道_什么值得买
[05:15] <kandu> onlylove_: debian 这还是默认 py2. vim 的 python 支持，只能 py 2/3 二选一。debian就编译进 py2 支持，要 py3 支持的还得自己编译一份用.
[05:16] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 14.04 LTS • Error:"subprocess installed post-installation script return" http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474031 我的系统是Ubuntu 14.04，我在安装软件时，遇到了一个问题“subprocess installed post-installation script returned error 4” 请参考附件截图，这个问题在同一台电脑上，有时会遇到，有时又
[05:16] <^k^> ─> 没有问题。 请帮我看看，谢谢。 zz: vincent_chao — 2015-11-24 13:13
[05:22] <onlylove> kandu: 找dd happyaron给你compile一份py3的
[05:22] <onlylove> windows的jre好烦啊
[05:22] <onlylove> 不就是安装个包，然后设置下变量么
[05:23] <onlylove> test
[05:23] <ubrl> onlylove:点点点. 13:26
[05:31] <onlylove> oracle在windows安装包里面做了什么邪恶设置
[05:58] <iMadper> MangHuo: shengyao: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Polk-Audio-Heritage-Woodbourne-Airplay-Wireless-Bluetooth-Loudspeaker-NEW/231744406554?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140602152332%26meid%3D2696f8da6ecd4f479b39f8f39e8cdd0a%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D231651578817
[05:58] <ubrl> iMadper: ⇪ Polk Audio Heritage Woodbourne Airplay Wireless Bluetooth Loudspeaker New 747192123888 | eBay
[05:59] <iMadper> MangHuo: shengyao: http://www.amazon.cn/gp/product/B00BFOZIR0/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=
[05:59] <ubrl> iMadper: ⇪ PreSonus Eris E8 高解析度有源双功放监听音箱 （一对）-乐器-亚马逊中国 pp: ￥ 3,690.00
[06:01] <MangHuo> iMadper: airplay 的箱子都不便宜
[06:01] <iMadper> MangHuo: 冇, 很多便宜的
[06:02] <iMadper> MangHuo: 找宝华去
[06:02] <MangHuo> iMadper: 保健也不便宜
[06:02] <iMadper> MangHuo: b&w z2
[06:04] <MangHuo> iMadper: http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-128GB-Speeds-SDCZ88-128G-G46/dp/B00HR7FWUC/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1448339495&sr=1-1&keywords=cz88+128
[06:04] <ubrl> MangHuo: ⇪ Robot Check
[06:04] <MangHuo> iMadper: 写个脚本抓这个的价格吧
[06:04] <iMadper> MangHuo: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.70.H5NmLo&id=520269296102&ns=1&abbucket=11#detail
[06:04] <ubrl> iMadper: ⇪ B＆W宝华Bowers&Wilkins音箱Z2音响B&W苹果 Airplay蓝牙BW iPhone-淘宝网全球站 pp: ¥ 1888.00
[06:04] <iMadper> MangHuo: 懒得.
[06:05] <MangHuo> iMadper: 不看运费？
[06:05] <iMadper> MangHuo: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.1998246701.5.9cx0FZ&scm=1007.10152.16875.1i520269296102&id=520268788972&pvid=520a6c3c-1a4d-45c9-ba1b-b4303de9c7b8
[06:05] <ubrl> iMadper: ⇪ B＆W宝华Bowers&Wilkins音箱Panorama 2音响B&W SoundBar BW HiFi-淘宝网全球站 pp: ¥ 24120.00
[06:05] <iMadper> MangHuo: 擦!!!
[06:05] <iMadper> MangHuo: 我输了
[06:05] <MangHuo> iMadper: 还是年轻啊
[06:19] <onlylove> 谁告诉我 java.lang.exceptionininitializererror什么鬼，困惑我好几天了
[06:24] * tryit MS的HR会鄙视IBM员工，真的假的
[06:35] <Niac___> HR处在食物链的顶端
[06:36] <Niac___> 但我不懂HR到底会些什么
[06:40] <tryit> MS的HR的观点：IBM工作经验1年=MS的0.5年 facebook/google的工作经验1年=MS的1.5年
[07:05] <xxx_test> 请问有没有能用的ubuntu15.04的RTL8192CU驱动
[07:07] <xxx_test> http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=461929
[07:08] <ubrl> ⇪ t: 各位大侠 小弟求助 TP-LINK WN823N 无线网卡驱动make error的解决办法 - 查看主题 • Ubuntu中文论坛 zz: 程序猿&攻城狮
[07:08] <xxx_test> 这个问题有没有办法解决呢？
[07:09] <onlylove> 去realtek网站找
[07:10] <xxx_test> 官网的驱动不支持3.19的kernel
[07:11] * oo6
[07:12] <onlylove> 那你就自己修改让他支持
[07:14] * oo6
[07:20] <onlylove> 修改配置文件……git add……其实我不想跟踪这个……
[07:22] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: http://xiaohua.zol.com.cn/detail1/12276.html 李敖名言录---不必要的解释 : 有时解释是不必要的——敌人不信你的解释,朋友无须你的解释。
[07:23] <onlylove> 这TM也叫笑话，重来！
[07:23] <onlylove> > joke
[07:23] <ubrl> onlylove: 妹纸,你太豁达了…… : 和一屌丝女学妹聊天,住的是单位的集体宿舍。 她说她有次出差回来,洗衣服发现临出差前,刚拆的一桶新的洗衣液只剩瓶底了。 然后又去洗脸,发现洗面奶也没了。 气急败坏的她就去厨房溜达,发现自己洗屁股的盆,居然躺在厨房的桌子上,里面还有剩下的菜叶
[07:23] <ubrl> ─> 子。 顿时,她所有的郁闷都释怀了……
[07:24] <onlylove> > joke
[07:24] <ubrl> onlylove: 高尔夫 : 一位女士去看医生。医生问:"是哪里不舒服?""我打高尔夫的时候,下面被蚊子咬了。""在哪?"女士回答:"11洞与12洞之间。""你分得太开了。"
[07:25] <onlylove> 算了……
[07:25] <oo6> 哈哈 继续呀
[07:25] <nihui> joke
[07:25] <nihui> >joke
[07:25] <nihui> > joke
[07:25] <ubrl> nihui: 密写墨水 : 有密写墨水吗? 当然有你要什么颜色?
[07:26] <nihui> > joke
[07:26] <ubrl> nihui: 处理酒鬼闹事 : 汤姆警官每次在处理酒鬼闹事时,总是挑上最干巴瘦小的警察作伴。别人很奇怪:"你们得和酒鬼干一场呢！ ""对呀,如果有两个警察抓你,其中一个比别一个瘦小,你先揍哪一个呢?"
[07:28] <oo6> >joke
[07:28] <oo6> joke
[07:28] <onlylove> 接手一个大坑，我觉得整个世界都灰暗了
[07:28] <oo6> joke
[07:28] <oo6> 做什么？
[07:33] <onlylove> 听说18摸开源systemML，瞬间觉得又错过了一波趋势，也许现在还来得及
[07:35] <oo6> onlylove 以前这里不是还有很多人嘛？
[07:44] <onlylove> http://justcoding.iteye.com/blog/1830388
[07:44] <ubrl> onlylove: ⇪ Git 常用命令整理 - Just Code - ITeye技术网站
[07:45] <onlylove> 好多不常用的命令，赶紧记下来
[07:45] <onlylove> 为啥标题是常用命令……
[07:45] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 14.10 • ubuntu15.10的rhythmbox用不了,播放不了mp3,wma等,已安装了mp3等插件 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474033 ubuntu15.10的rhythmbox用不了,播放不了mp3,wma等,已安装了mp3等插件. 使用sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras命令安装了所有插件, 但是rhythmbox连一个mp3文件都不导入,手工
[07:45] <^k^> ─> 也导入不了. zz: ethan2016s — 2015-11-24 15:44
[07:45] <xxx_test> 改不来啊 = =
[07:57] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • Ubuntu 15.10中VPNC不好用了 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474034 之前15.04以前的版本都能用vpnc连接vpn翻墙的。 升级到Ubuntu 15.10，发现VPNC不好用了。 在15.10系统上，能成功连上vpn服务器，但是浏览器无法翻墙，chrome和firefox都不能翻墙了。 杯催的是，vpnc已
[07:57] <^k^> ─> 经14年12月份已经停止更新了。。 大家有没有解决办法？ 或者是替代vpnc的软件？ zz: skykin …
[08:26] <yunfan> onlylove_: 呵呵
[08:27] <yunfan> onlylove_: 为啥要用java了
[08:31] <^k^> 新 启动和引导 • 无法将GRUB安装到 /dev/md http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474035 我下载了ubuntu14.40.1 server版本，在bios里面做了个阵列5 在安装系统是在最后一步出现了，GRUB无法安装故障，在网上查了，也没有什么有用的资料，求大神帮忙一下。 zz: freedom42 — 2015-11-24 16:29
[08:38] <^k^> 新 其它类Unix OS发行版 • 请教个分区的问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474036 boot/ : Must be copied to a FAT32 partition rootfs/ : Must be copied to an ext4 or btrfs partition Be sure the SD card has got 3 partitions (boot, swap, root). The recommended partition sizes are 40Mb for /boot, 420Mb for swap and using all available free
[08:38] <^k^> ─> space for root. Then you simply have to run the install.sh script from the SliTaz Raspberry Pi release directory: # . …
[08:46] <onlylove_> yunfan: 你当我想用，这是遗留项目，而且源码乱的无可救药，我问了好多人，才知道，我测试的模块需要的代码被注释掉了，然后这个还TM被提交了！
[08:55] <onlylove_> test
[08:55] <ubrl> onlylove_:点点点. 16:57
[08:55] <onlylove_> yunfan: 你当我想用，遗留代码呗，而且，困扰我两天的问题是，我需要调用的代码，被不知道谁注释了！
[08:56] * onlylove_ 目测master branch里面会有一堆坑
[08:57] <onlylove_> 还TM一天俩CASE，我现在简直想咬人
[09:01] <onlylove_> test
[09:01] <ubrl> onlylove_:点点点. 17:04
[09:01] <Niac___> 谁能想象一个PHP的遗留 动不动就是1w+的方法
[09:02] <Niac___> 真心改到崩溃了
[09:02] <onlylove_> yunfan: 其实是这样的，我在citrix项目呆了一周，然后项目没来，然后又被调到vmware了，citrix是python写selenium，vmware这边是java
[09:03] <onlylove_> Niac___: 重构重构，虽然重构之后还是坑
[09:14] <onlylove> test
[09:14] <ubrl> onlylove:点点点. 17:17
[09:15] <Niac___> onlylove: 一万多行的方法 从头翻到尾都要几十秒
[09:16] <onlylove> 我设置的break point根本不起作用！这代码都背着我干了啥！
[09:16] <onlylove> Niac___: 你只需要读完了解作用，然后，揪出相关的代码和API，然后重写嘛
[09:17] <onlylove> Niac___: 虽然话说的很不负责，可是事实就这样，但是要很久
[09:21] <onlylove_> 移动又在催我实名制
[09:21] <onlylove_> 真要命
[09:21] <gfxmode> onlylove_: 没有达到符合进入Break的条件吧
[09:22] <onlylove_> gfxmode: 毛啊，breakpoint上一步还能动作，虽然感觉是我的错觉
[09:23] <onlylove_> gfxmode: 反正我在println下一行加了break，但是……但是……它没break
[09:28] <onlylove_> 我要把那一堆乱发邮件的打死
[09:29] <onlylove_> 不知道忙着呢
[10:48] <sennn> hi
[10:48] <ubrl> sennn:点点点. 18:51
[10:53] <sennn> 有人嗎
[11:02] <Freebuilder> 吼吼
[11:02] <Freebuilder> 吼吼
[11:06] <ulot0> ubrl,
[11:07] <ubrl> ulot0,
[11:07] <ulot0> ubrl, 还记得我吗？
[11:07] <ubrl> ulot0, 好吧，让我们来谈谈你的。 19:10
[11:07] <Freebuilder> 什么情况，两个马甲？
[11:11] <Freebuilder> Win10 终于下完了
[11:11] <Freebuilder> VS2015 也下完了
[11:35] <ulot0> Freebuilder, 这里是玩LINUX，你下WIN10来干嘛
[11:37] <Freebuilder> ulot0, 抱歉，发错地方了
[11:42] <ulot0> Freebuilder, 我跟你开玩笑的，这里欢迎任何人
[13:02] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • 对目录拥有w权限 就可以删除文件 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474038 对目录拥有w权限 就可以删除目录内的文件或者目录？ drwx------ 2 lintao lintao 4096 11月 24 20:53 123 chmod 200 123 d-w------- 2 lintao lintao 4096 11月 24 21:00 123 rm 123/123.txt rm: 无法删除"123/123.txt": 权限
[13:02] <^k^> ─> 不够 zz: 7猫. — 2015-11-24 21:02
[13:55] <^k^> 新 课堂教学和培训 • 有没有好的网页表格范例推荐一下？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474039 八年级学生，网页制作第4课学习表格，想找个好的范例给学生做 以前的课程表、座位表、时间表，感觉都没什么意思 学生已经学了三课：保存网页，创建站点，CSS样式表，其他图
[13:55] <^k^> ─> 片、超链接都还没学 zz: TeliuTe — 2015-11-24 21:55
[14:06] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu错误报告 • 求助:十万火急,ubuntu15.10磁盘空间不断减少 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474040 我安装了ubuntu15.10并装完全部软件后磁盘(挂在/下的分区)空间还有15.3G,重启后打开chrome下载matlab2015,刚才发现磁盘空间已经只有3.5G了,而matlab只下载1.1G,在Downloads下的matlab.iso只有1.
[14:14] <jack-zhang> 请教一个问题，怎样才能设置自己Ubuntu 14.04 系统每次都从dhcp服务器中获取地址 而不是申请上次的地址，已经尝试删除/var/lib/dhclient/的文件 但没有作用
[14:16] <CyrusYzGTt> 用NM 默认自动的
[14:17] <jack-zhang> 什么意思？
[14:17] <CyrusYzGTt> Networkmanager
[14:18] <jack-zhang> 但我通过抓包显示，每次系统都会申请一个之前获取过的地址 而不是让dhcp服务器分配
[14:20] <CyrusYzGTt> 或者是路由器就这样，我一个星期没有回家，回家后连接，一样用了上个星期用的IP， 路由器设置自动分配
[14:22] <CyrusYzGTt> jack-zhang§ 如果感觉没有说什么，是因为我只是个用户， 这里没有其他人回答， 去 #archlinux-cn ， 我用debian ,他们也回答
[14:22] <jack-zhang> 好的 谢谢
[14:26] <Freebuilder> 这个我也很纳闷，我路由器改了网段，它还是用原来的老地址
[14:27] <jack-zhang> 那怎么解决？
[14:27] <Freebuilder> 未知
[14:29] <jack-zhang> Windows下是路由适应的 所以Windows 在我这个网没有问题
[14:34] <Freebuilder> Debian 在 squeeze 还没这问题的，到 wheezy 就有了
[14:34] <Freebuilder> 换个环境，换个路由，网段都不同了，地址还是原来用的。
[14:34] <CyrusYzGTt> 是内核的参数
[14:34] <Freebuilder> 结果不能上网
[14:35] <CyrusYzGTt> 如果内核开了默认 chrome 就支持 miredo 连接ipv6 ,没有开就不能连接ipv6 ,
[14:36] <CyrusYzGTt> 这是 ipv4 访问 ipv6 的经验， 不过firefox 不受影响
[14:42] <jack-zhang> 我把我的问题描述一下吧，我有两个系统一个Win7 一个 Ubuntu14.04 lts 两个系统有线网IPv4网络正常，但Ubuntu 14.04 Lts 的IPv6网络 时灵时不灵 然后Win7下网络一直正常，一直不知道 问题是啥， 但发现 ubuntu的IPv6地址经常都是一样的 而Win7的一直在变
[14:42] <jack-zhang> 有什么建议吗 两边的隧道都关了
[14:43] <Freebuilder> 我只用 ipv4
[14:44] <CyrusYzGTt> 微软有自己的ipv6隧道服务， linux miredo默认用 miredo的，
[14:44] <jack-zhang> 我把隧道都关了
[14:44] <CyrusYzGTt> teredo.ipv6.microsoft.com
[14:44] <CyrusYzGTt> 这是 微软的
[14:45] <CyrusYzGTt> teredo.remlab.net 这是 miredo的
[14:45] <jack-zhang> 看到了 我改了之后 隧道信息就没了
[14:45] <CyrusYzGTt> Prefix 2001:0::
[14:45] <CyrusYzGTt> InterfaceMTU 1280
[14:46] <jack-zhang> 嗯 之前有 现在 只有2403开头的地址
[14:46] <CyrusYzGTt> 不清楚，你 google ipv6
[14:50] <jack-zhang> 尝试过很多次了 大家都不知道 之后只能去问网络管理员 发现他们有两台 路由器（其中一台备用）跟我的主机相连，然后他们以wwindows的机器都没问题 拒绝修改路由器的配置 所以我只能改自己的设置来
[23:59] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • U盘安装Ubuntu无法启动系统 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=474043 手上有一个已经刻录好系统的U盘 新建一个虚拟机-挂载U盘启动-然后从U盘把系统安装到虚拟机的硬盘 <img src="http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/mw690/005x6R
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[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[13:50] <mcphail> I would be grateful if someone would conduct a manual review on one of my packages (package number 4033 - bg1.njmcphail) and either accept it in to the store, or feedback what needs to change to have it accepted. If manual review is not going to happen, please let me know so I stop wasting time. Thanks
[13:50] <rpadovani> popey, ^^
[13:51] <popey> jdstrand_, ^
[14:24] <Elleo> jdstrand_: heya, I've added a request for a new dbus method for download manager in the networking app armor profile here if you wouldn't mind taking a look when you have some time? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/+bug/1519378
[14:50] <snizzo> jhodapp: hey there's a changelog of music hub api for ota 8?
[22:49] <ichigo1990> hello?
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[00:13] <psusi> pitti, you seem to have written udisks2-inhibit, so maybe you can help me... it doesn't seem to work because it tries to mount --move a tmpfs.. and much to my surprise... the kernel doesn't appear to support moving a tmpfs
[00:22] <mwhudson> dobey: ah had a think, although that patch i pointed at might help your build, the truth is that cgo just doesn't work very well with go 1.5 on ppc64el
[00:23] <mwhudson> dobey: 1.6 will be better, and gccgo may well work better too
[00:28] <stgraber> "cgo doesn't work very well with go 1.5 on ppc64el", quite the understatement :)
[00:32] <mwhudson> it works to build the go tool itself and more or less nothing else
[00:32] <stgraber> oh, didn't really the go tool itself was using cgo
[00:32] <mwhudson> well
[00:33] <mwhudson> there are two standard lib packages that use cgo (os/user and net)
[00:33] <mwhudson> the go tool uses both iirc
[00:33] <mwhudson> so i guess i mis-spoke: it works for the stdlib cgo usage
[00:33] <mwhudson> and more or less nothing else
[00:33] <stgraber> oh, right, the DNS resolving is using getaddrinfo from libc depending how you built go itself
[02:00] <cjwatson> mapreri,infinity: https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/delete-more-component-ui/+merge/278393 should address the confusion you ran into earlier.
[02:18] <hhhggg> i i have recently changed to linux mate Rafela but when I rebooted I can get past the login screen but then it just goes blank the screen
[04:28] <cyphermox> @pilot out
[05:05] <pitti> Good morning
[06:33] <pitti> Laney: hah! tracked down the "ugly" autopkgtest instance names, fixed in http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git/commit/?id=a02dda206f6
[08:07] <pitti> bdmurray: I need to upload avahi, so I'm stealing the merge from you while I'm at it
[08:17] <lathiat> pitti: will be another release out shortly if that makes your life any better or worse.. won't really change the distro patch stuff though so thats probably most of the work since i merged most of them
[08:17] <lathiat> pitti: if theres anything i havent & should merge let me know
[08:18] <didrocks> pitti: I was wondering why we only see the armhf run on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml while the queue for other archs are longer?
[08:18] <didrocks> pitti: is that because of other archs runner are down?
[08:19] <didrocks> (which would explain why the queue is going up)
[08:20] <pitti> lathiat: thanks; I dropped the dbus dep bump and the udebs, these are both obsolete
[08:20] <pitti> lathiat: the skip-nproc-in-container.patch is Ubuntu specific; whether or not you take the upstart jobs, that's a matter of taste I guess
[08:21] <pitti> didrocks: right, I need to deploy a new ssh runner setup script, and thus wait until the current jobs finish
[08:21] <lathiat> pitti: is there a repo i can pull or do i just have to grab the source package
[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <pitti> didrocks: oh, they did! great, will restart
[08:21] <didrocks> pitti: great, thanks! :)
[08:22] <seb128> hey dholbach!
[08:22] <dholbach> hey seb128
[08:23] <pitti> didrocks: they are grinding again
[08:23] <pitti> lathiat: no repo, but you can get the individual patches
[08:23] <didrocks> sweet!
[08:23] <pitti> lathiat: https://patches.ubuntu.com/a/avahi/
[08:23] <pitti> lathiat: but perhaps wait until I uploaded the merge, then the diff will be much smaller
[08:25] <pitti> lathiat: I think the running-in-container patch might also have stopped working with systemd
[08:27] <pitti> current LXC doesn't create /run/container_type, so this looks entirely obsolete
[08:27] <pitti> yep, avahi starts fine in LXC, away with this
[08:27] <lathiat> we should just make avahi not fail if it can't set nproc
[08:27] <lathiat> container or otherwise
[08:28] <pitti> it already does that
[08:28] <lathiat> so whats the patch doing then?
[08:28] <pitti> * Merge from Debian unstable, remaining changes:
[08:28] <pitti> - Add debian/avahi-daemon.upstart, debian/avahi-dnsconfd.upstart,
[08:28] <pitti> debian/avahi-cups-reload.upstart
[08:28] <pitti> lathiat: ^ so that's the only remaining Ubuntu delta
[08:29] <pitti> lathiat: it does nothing any more, I just dropped it; in the past failure to set the rlimit was apparently fatal
[08:29] <lathiat> ah ok
[08:29] <lathiat> looks like it throws a warning but i don tthink it will fail
[08:29] <pitti> correct
[08:29] <pitti> apparently that was fixed upstream for the same reason
[08:30] <seb128> pitti, speaking about avahi bug #1441008 would be nice to fix before the LTS
[08:31] <pitti> lathiat: that's the remaining diff, just adding the upstart jobs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13490393/
[08:32] <lathiat> is there any documentation on the rationale of killing avahi-daemon if .local exists anyway? I think the real fix (tm) woudl be to remove the [NOTFOUND=return] from nsswitch.conf in those cases, should cause it to fall back
[08:32] <pitti> seb128: ah, ten seconds too late, but I'll assign it to me and deal with it
[08:32] <lathiat> which is a speed optimisation / spec compliant to not send .local to nameservers
[08:32] <seb128> pitti, thanks!
[08:33] <pitti> it's been a few years; back then avahi didn't get along well with a "real" .local domain, perhaps it got better at that
[08:33] <lathiat> pitti: i think it would still cause issues simply because the default nsswitch will return an error if a .local lookup isnt found in mdns.. but thats controlled by nsswitch.conf
[08:33] <lathiat> unless im missing something
[08:53] <pitti> didrocks: uh, you earned the plymouth merge..
[08:54] <smb> pitti, Not sure whether this is already old news or rather me misunderstanding. I thought that creating an /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules manually should still create old naming (in Xenial). But it did not when preparing Xenial partitions on my test boxes.
[08:54] <seb128> poor didrocks
[08:54] <didrocks> pitti: I didn't claim it yet, notice! :)
[08:54] <didrocks> it shouldn't be that much TBH, as it's dead upstream
[08:54] <seb128> unsure it is
[08:54] <seb128> well, there are still commits/activity at least
[09:23] <pitti> smb: yes, it should still work
[09:23] <pitti> seb128: can you show the file to me? did you rebuild the initramfs?
[09:26] <seb128> pitti, I guess that was for smb?
[09:26] <pitti> seb128: err yes, sorry
[09:26] <pitti> smb: can you show the file to me? did you rebuild the initramfs?
[09:26] <smb> Ah
[09:27] * smb was wondering
[09:28] <smb> pitti, I think I did but I can retry to be sure. The file has been used before and was working (I basically start with a debootstrap and then blow it up with server^ and ubuntu-minimal, then inject config files)
[09:28] <smb> pitti, But give me a sec to get the host up
[09:37] <smb> pitti, bah... possibly the "forgotten rebuild" of initramfs... of course this morning all is good... should not try those things late in a day... sorry for the noise
[09:37] <pitti> smb: no worries; initrd rebuild should not be strictly required, but if you use the names in the initrd (open-iscsi for example), then that's necessary
[09:40] <smb> pitti, Hm, I don't think I do (but thats the beast of having things automated, one forgets) but its at least installed and maybe that is enough
[09:48] <pitti> didrocks, Laney: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#mesa -> "in progress/always failed" in actaion
[09:48] <pitti> action too
[09:48] <didrocks> \o/
[09:48] <Laney> pitti: ah, that made it migrate?
[09:48] <Laney> nice
[09:48] <pitti> which is nice because gmsh/i386 takes 2:50 hours (it times out)
[09:48] * didrocks likes consistency)
[09:48] * pitti hugs didrocks
[09:48] * didrocks hugs pitti back
[09:49] <Laney> not consistency in your balanced ()
[09:49] * Laney screams
[09:49] <pitti> didrocks: now, REAL consistency would be "(Always failed)", not "(always failed)" :-P
[09:49] <didrocks> Laney: that was done on purpose :p
[09:49] <Laney> suuuuuuuuure :)
[09:49] <didrocks> pitti: well, I doubted about the capital letter for at least… 1.337 seconds
[10:21] <seb128> jamespage, seems like pysendfile could be synced if you sent that delta to Debian, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/194619680/pysendfile_2.0.0-6ubuntu1_2.0.0-6ubuntu2.diff.gz ... did you try to report it there/see if they were interested?
[10:21] <seb128> unsure what the .egg-info is needed you wrote "correct dependency detection."
[10:21] <seb128> but that probably apply to Debian as well?
[10:25] <ginggs> hi, could someone retry fop (main) please? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fop/1:2.0+dfsg-4
[10:27] <pitti> ginggs: nothing to retry, it's in depwait
[10:27] <pitti> libfontbox-java | 1:1.8.10-1 | xenial/universe | all
[10:27] <pitti> libmockito-java | 1.9.5+ds-2 | xenial/universe | all
[10:27] <pitti> ginggs: needs MIRs, or these new dependencies dropped again
[10:28] <pitti> lathiat: meh, we have a package maas-enlist-udeb which actually needs the avahi udebs
[10:28] <pitti> lathiat: so that delta will come back :/
[10:28] <ginggs> pitti: ah, ok thanks
[10:29] <didrocks> sil2100: congrats!
[10:31] <ginggs> pitti: so should i look at filing MIRs or see if fop build without libfontbox-java and libmockito-java ?
[10:31] <pitti> ginggs: I'm not sure TBH; if the two pacakges are trivial, then a MIR seems better as then we'll stay in sync
[10:32] <sil2100> didrocks: thanks!
[10:32] <sil2100> :)
[10:44] <killall> where can i get support libevdev?
[11:03] <pitti> tkamppeter: thanks for committing the cups change!
[12:56] <Mirv> bdmurray: hi! is there a way to skip/fix "E: Some packages could not be authenticated" when running apport-retrace? the packages comes from a PPA (and I've added the sources to the lp:daisy's sources.list so the package is found) and the gpg key of the PPA is in the host's keys
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> is nvidia-current going to be depraced?
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> shows still nvidia-graphics-drivers-304
[13:30] <tjaalton> it's already deprecated, as it's just a transitional package
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: ok tnx, it will be removved from repos?
[13:32] <tjaalton> once 304 itself is gone
[13:32] <tjaalton> which I don't think will happen anytime soon
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: ok thank you mate
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: you also know the reason?
[13:33] <tjaalton> of what?
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> tjaalton: users need to manually install specific driver versions now?
[13:33] <tjaalton> the driver manager (or whatever it's called) will do that
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> ok tnx
[13:47] <Mirv> bdmurray: unping, I probably didn't do apt-key adv recv-keys earlier, now it worked
[14:35] <killall> where can i get support libevdev?
[14:36] <sladen> killall: what type of support are you after? The API reference is here: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/libevdev/
[14:37] <sladen> killall: at the other end of the scale, if you're wanting to hire-in support you could go to a company such as http://www.canonical.com/services
[14:38] <killall> sladen, I have 2 touchscreen from diferent batches, one works and other wont work on ubuntu 14.04 but booth work on ubuntu 10.04.
[14:38] <killall> I want to know if libevdev is the one opening the device in raw mode and if so why wont it work?
[14:41] <sladen> killall: first of all check lsusb -v to see what the devices show up as
[14:41] <killall> sladen, booth show exactly the same on lsusb, on lshw
[14:42] <sladen> killall: then you can use lsof to perhaps see what is opening the device
[14:42] <killall> sladen, can you teach me how?
[14:42] <sladen> killall: or perhaps if you share some information (eg. USB IDs, name, manufacture) others may be able to help more easily
[14:42] <killall> Bus 002 Device 007: ID 0c45:8419 Microdi
[14:43] <sladen> killall: sudo apt-get install lsof && lsof | grep /dev.*usb
[14:43] <sladen> killall: perhaps best is if you open a bug report, then there's a way of tracking all the information in one place
[14:43] <sladen> killall: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[14:44] <killall> sladen, thanks but that wont fix my problem at least for now :) and yes that is waht i want to do but i dont have no clue how to pont the developers
[14:44] <killall> im also a developer by the way but no experience on drivers or kernel
[14:45] <sladen> killall: well, filing a but report is normally a good way to ensure all the details are together in one place so that the relevant developers can look at it
[14:45] <sladen> s/but report/bug report/
[14:46] <killall> sladen, yes i know but at the moment i cannot tell that 50 touch panels i bought dont work.
[14:46] <killall> i have to point the way or the solution
[14:46] <sladen> killall: one of the useful things to include would be lsub -vvvv -d 0c45:8419 to try and see how the panels are different
[14:47] <sladen> killall: but please open a bug report and start to collate the output there so that everyone can find and locate it, and if doesn't get lost in scrollback
[14:47] <killall> sladen, doing that the diff show nothing, i have contacted the manufacter and he said the code in the firmware was changed keeping the version and the output the same
[14:47] <pitti> Laney, apw, infinity: there, test queue contents: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml
[14:48] <sladen> killall: riiiight, please include that information from the manufacturer in the bug report as well
[14:48] <killall> ok thanks :)
[14:48] <sladen> killall: as that's pretty important
[14:48] <Laney> pitti: woot!
[14:48] <pitti> (this is a bit synthetic, but the next real xenial requests will come soon :) )
[14:48] <killall> any usefull command i must input
[14:50] <apw> pitti, which order is the queue in, top first or bottom first
[14:50] <apw> pitti, and wow of course
[14:50] <pitti> apw: top entry gets run next
[14:50] <pitti> i. e. new requests are added at the bottom
[14:51] <pitti> fungible of course, but right now it's writing the lines in the order it reads it off the queeu
[14:51] <sladen> killall: I have given you at least two useful commands that would help already
[14:51] <sladen> killall: so perhaps start with these
[14:54] <sladen> killall: but if that's two hard in the first step, please at least say "USB 0c45:8419 Microdia touch-screen should work on 14.04: manufacturer stated on date XXX that the firmware touch panel firmware had been changed without changing the product ID
[15:10] <sladen> killall: so any progress/success, do we have the bug number/URL yet?
[15:11] <killall> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evtest/+bug/1519393
[15:12] <killall> if any problem please inform and if possible i will fix :) thanks for the time and patience on me
[15:12] <killall> sladen, thanks
[15:18] <dobey> mwhudson: well, right now i just want the quickest possible solution to have somewhat reliable builds and get this stuff landed. so if that patch enables that, i'd love to have it be uploaded. :)
[15:22] <sladen> killall: thanks, for each of these commands, please could you attach the output for the working one, and *then* for the working one
[15:22] <sladen> killall: to be able to compare A and B, one needs A and B to start with!
[15:23] <killall> it has booth, but wich command do you need in particular?
[15:24] <killall> you have booth evtest working and non working lsusb of booth and python report.py of booth
[15:24] <killall> the only comand you dont have is the cat /dev/hidraw0 wich is equal to hidraw1
[15:24] <sladen> killall: I'd like to be able to run diff -u lsusb-vvv-working.txt lsusb-vvv-not-working.txt
[15:25] <killall> ok
[15:25] <killall> i got you :) one sec
[15:26] <sladen> killall: ideally *unplug both*. Plug in the first, and run sudo lsusb -vvvv -c -d 0c45:8419 > lsusb-vvvv-0c45:8419-working.txt
[15:26] <sladen> killall: then unplug the first, and plug in the second, and run sudo lsusb -vvvv -c -d 0c45:8419 > lsusb-vvvv-0c45:8419-not-working.txt
[15:26] <sladen> killall: and attach both
[15:27] <killall> yes thanks
[15:32] <killall> sladen, uploaded thanks
[15:32] <killall> i added even dmesg ouput
[15:33] <teward> hate to ask, but I know there's a "fails to upgrade" bug in libuuid... which bug is that?
[15:33] * teward had the link but lost it :/
[15:35] <sbeattie> teward: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/1518151
[15:37] <teward> sbeattie: thanks, i assume the affect is 'global' in terms of building software via sbuild?
[15:37] <teward> (even to test build things)
[15:41] <killall> sladen, anything else to append to the bug report, what can it be? Can you point me the light? im compiling libevdev but i dont think it is that
[15:42] <sladen> killall: do /you/ have any way to tell the two batches apart
[15:42] <sladen> killall: are they visibly different in anyway
[15:43] <sladen> killall: have you tried multiple devices, or just one from each batch?
[15:43] <killall> i have tried from the fist batch 250 touch screens and from the second batch 10 of 50
[15:44] <killall> the batches are 99% equal from outside the only diference is the usb cable a few centimeter longer
[15:49] <didrocks> mterry: answered, maybe try with this sbuild chroot to reproduce the issue?
[15:49] <didrocks> mterry: if you can't reproduce, I'm happy to add any logs you feel I need to add
[15:53] <sbeattie> teward: dunno about "global" but I keep hitting it over and over again, even after apt-get installing it manually in my source schroots. It's really frustrating in that I make it go away for a while and then it comes back.
[15:59] <mterry> didrocks, I agree with you btw. This is not my favorite solution to the problem. Just given time constraints, it was the best I knew we promise to do. :-/
[16:00] <didrocks> mterry: yeah, it's not a critize, but I prefered to state the obvious :)
[16:00] <mterry> didrocks, duplicity upstream seems happy to stay on python2 for years, so if we want this change, we have to do it ourselves
[16:00] <didrocks> mterry: you know I'm kind of pragmatic due to what I had to do on Ubuntu Touch and such ;)
[16:00] <didrocks> mterry: so no worry!
[16:00] <mterry> didrocks, :)
[16:00] <didrocks> mterry: how much work will it be in your opinion to migrate duplicity?
[16:00] <didrocks> like a month? less/more?
[16:01] <mterry> didrocks, I dunno, 2 to 3 weeks I'd guess
[16:01] <didrocks> python: 15272 (96.60%)
[16:01] <mterry> didrocks, but it's tricky
[16:01] <didrocks> yeah :/
[16:01] <didrocks> quite a lot
[16:01] <mterry> didrocks, it has a lot of backend plugins
[16:01] <didrocks> and some doesn't have python3 support I guess?
[16:01] <mterry> didrocks, which we could port or drop
[16:01] <didrocks> yeah
[16:01] <mterry> didrocks, right
[16:02] <didrocks> (was more curious to know if we should or not try to port it ourself…)
[16:02] <didrocks> sounds like not really pratical
[16:02] <killall> thanks sladem
[16:02] <mterry> didrocks, but it seems crappy to port not all of them (because some ubuntu users might rely on them)
[16:02] <killall> thanks sladen
[16:02] <didrocks> mterry: agreed
[16:02] <mterry> didrocks, well I've made some porting attempts in my spare time in the past
[16:02] <mterry> didrocks, and kept getting bogged down
[16:02] <didrocks> yeah, unsurprisingly
[16:02] <mterry> didrocks, and it doesn't seem like I'll have clearance to do it on work time this cycle. Hence this solution
[16:03] <didrocks> mterry: no worry! Keep me posted if you can't reproduce at all the failing tests, I'm happy to add something in debian/rules to export the log files you need
[16:03] <mterry> didrocks, by the time it matters, maybe deja-dup can just be a snap that bundles python2 :)
[16:03] <mterry> didrocks, I will try your sbuild reproduction steps
[16:04] <didrocks> keep me posted!
[16:10] <sladen> killall: I've updated the bug report again for you. Please could you fill in which cable is longer
[16:10] <sladen> killall: and please could you re-run the hid-replay tests each into a separate, clearly labeled file, and attach them
[16:10] <killall> sladen, yes i can :)
[16:25] <sladen> killall: any luck with re-running 'evtest' for working and non-working?
[16:26] <sladen> killall: the hexdumps look useful, but only if one can diff and compare
[16:27] <killall> one sec :) uploading
[16:28] <decci> Hello Developers
[16:28] <decci> I am trying to do .DEB packaging
[16:28] <MrBIOS> no need to capitalize it
[16:28] <decci> I am following a general dh_make && debian/rules && debian/rules binary
[16:28] <decci> MrBIOS: Sorry
[16:29] <MrBIOS> no need to apologize :)
[16:29] <killall> sladen, evtest show notghing special ill post it to, wich hex dump?
[16:29] <decci> need suggestion on http://pastebin.com/37Vg49bp
[16:31] <decci> I have source code precompiled from developer which is run with cmake and make command. Now while I ran dh_make -f ../.tar.gz -p sa_source_6.2.0 && debian/rules clean && debian/rules build, will it gonnna build it again.
[16:33] <killall> sladen, appended the evtest but what hex dump do you mean? also added the hidreplay output
[16:34] <decci> Anyone with debian packaging experience
[16:41] <sladen> killall: yes, the hidreplay
[16:42] <killall> the hidreplay is there :) with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evtest/+bug/1519393/comments/8
[16:43] <pitti> slangasek, stgraber, kees, infinity, mdeslaur: TB meeting reminder in 17 mins
[16:43] <slangasek> pitti: ack. who's chairing?
[16:43] <slangasek> (is it me? :)
[16:43] <pitti> slangasek: kees, fallback to mdeslaur
[16:43] <slangasek> ok
[16:43] <pitti> not that we'd have an agenda :)
[16:44] <kenvandine> @pilot out
[16:46] <seb128> kenvandine, oh, already done? any chance you could still do https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-utils/+bug/1518053 ? ;-)
[16:46] <seb128> kenvandine, seems like it would help chromium users
[16:46] <seb128> kenvandine, shouldn't be too difficult to review
[16:49] <sladen> killall: can you upload the evtest not working
[16:49] <sladen> killall: I've deleted the other dup
[16:49] <killall> ok :) sladen np
[16:50] <killall> sladen, done
[16:52] <kenvandine> seb128, i'll look
[16:52] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[16:53] <sladen> killall: so (comparing the evtests), the not-working one never sends any events, even if you move fingers/click buttons etc
[16:54] <killall> yes correcy
[16:54] <killall> right
[16:54] <killall> *correct
[16:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> pitti, pbuilder should be fixed, wrt lp: #1511938
[16:54] <mdeslaur> slangasek, kees, pitti, infinity, stgraber: meeting in 5 min?
[16:56] <killall> sladen, what else can i help?
[16:56] <slangasek> mdeslaur, kees, pitti, infinity, stgraber: meeting in 4 min ;)
[16:57] <mdeslaur> heh
[16:57] <stgraber> :)
[17:10] <killall> sladen, anything else i can provide and help?
[17:18] <kenvandine> seb128, there debdiff no longer applies cleanly, there's been a new upload since them
[17:18] <kenvandine> i cleaned it up so the debdiff applied cleanly, but one of the patches doesn't apply still
[17:18] <seb128> kenvandine, oh :-(
[17:18] <seb128> kenvandine, maybe mention it to qengho on -desktop?
[17:19] <kenvandine> debian/patches/handle-multiple-exec-lines.patch
[17:19] <kenvandine> yup
[17:21] <sladen> killall: did there an ebay link/amazon link/alibaba link for these devices incase the developers want to get hold of one. Are there windows drivers that might be useful for reverse-engineering any "knock sequence" (initialisation sequenence needed)
[17:22] <sladen> killall: is there any information from the manufacturers about what they changed (who are the manufactures?)
[17:24] <pitti> [ubuntu/xenial] ruby-defaults 1:2.2.3ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[17:24] <pitti> doko: ^ hah!
[17:24] <killall> sladen, nothing and nothing.... amazon link no. they only sell big batches unfortunatly guess low as 25.
[17:25] <sladen> killall: yeah, so who *is* the manufacturer?
[17:26] <sladen> killall: is there a picture on the internet of what it looks like
[17:26] <sladen> killall: are there any names or logos on the device
[17:26] <sladen> killall: are there any names or logos on the packaging?
[17:27] <killall> http://www.wivitouch.com/sdp/1079694/4/pd-5199630/7116924-2132434/Multitouch_screen_infrared_touch_screen_19.html
[17:27] <killall> this is the manufacter and product page
[17:27] <killall> http://img.diytrade.com/smimg/1079694/17764824-1256906-0/nn/58f1.jpg this is what i have without straps
[17:28] <killall> same manufacter wivitouch wich does not supply a lot of support
[17:42] <sladen> killall: are you in a position to try alternative kernels
[17:46] <sladen> killall: eg. starting with the (working) 10.10 install, recording that kernel version
[17:46] <sladen> killall: and then trying progressively newer ones until you find the first one that doesn't work
[17:47] <sladen> killall: and if all the kernsl work, then that would point to it being userspace, rather than the kernel
[17:49] <MrBIOS> sladen: which HW?
[20:22] <Bluefoxicy> I'm calling Libidinous Lagomorph for 2023.4
[20:23] <Bluefoxicy> Also noticed if you use the official Ubuntu 15.10 docker image, you can't install mariadb-server-10.0; it fails to run mariadb-server-10.0.postinst configure
[20:23] <Bluefoxicy> near as I can tell, it's trying to start MariaDB via init script, which wants to run mysqld_safe, which aborts because it tries to drop to mysql and can't drop privileges (it stays as root), and refuses to run as root
[20:45] <mwhudson> dobey: i'd recommend you build on ppc64el with gccgo
[20:45] <mwhudson> (or not at all)
[21:03] <dobey> mwhudson: how would one force gccgo there?
[21:03] <TJ-> does anyone happen to have the Debian syslinux 3:6.03+dfsg-9 source package? Debian's source tracker no longer has (only -10 and -11) - was published in August. I wanted to pull a patch from it that was added in -0 and removed in -10
[21:03] <mwhudson> dobey: Build-Depends: gccgo [ppc64el], golang [!ppc64el] I think?
[21:03] <TJ-> errr, added in -9
[21:03] <mwhudson> dobey: lxd does this
[21:04] <dobey> ok
[21:06] <sarnold> TJ-: tada https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/syslinux/3:6.03+dfsg-9
[21:06] <infinity> TJ-: pull-debian-source syslinux 3:6.03+dfsg-9
[21:07] <TJ-> many thanks! that'll fix all the syslinux/startup-disk issues (a gcc 5 transition breakage)
[21:09] <dobey> mwhudson: but golang should be fine on all the other archs (powerpc arm64)?
[21:09] <mwhudson> dobey: yes
[21:09] <mwhudson> on powerpc you really get gccgo
[21:09] <mwhudson> arm64 cgo stuff should be fine
[21:11] <dobey> ok
[21:21] <TJ-> mpt: are you aware syslinux ldlinux.sys "Boot Error" is still present due to building with gcc 5? I can't see any bugs indicating work on it
[21:25] <TJ-> mpt: fix available upstream, tested on Wily bug 1507002
[22:26] * tsimonq2 is gone: test
[22:49] <brendand> if python3-selenium is in sid, should there be any problem pulling it into xenial?
[22:51] <cjwatson> brendand: no, just requires somebody to merge the python-selenium source package from Debian
[22:52] <cjwatson> brendand: you'll see it on https://merges.ubuntu.com/multiverse.html
[22:53] <cjwatson> brendand: (or sync, if none of the current Ubuntu delta is relevant any more; I don't know)
[22:57] <brendand> cjwatson, a tar.gz is mentioned but it's not linking to anything??
[22:58] <brendand> ah right, appending that to the end of the url seems to work
[22:58] <brendand> after https://merges.ubuntu.com/p/python-selenium/
[22:59] <cjwatson> brendand: it's only a rough guide anyway, may not be a sensible starting point in this case (delta includes new upstream version, etc. - if I were you I'd probably work it out by hand and compare to what Debian's done)
[22:59] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging#Things_to_check_during_the_merge
[23:21] <mwhudson> er, is there any special reason why "sbuild-update --update xenial-amd64" would give hash sum mismatch errors?
[23:22] <mwhudson> i think i have apt-cacher-ng installed, maybe i need to give that a slap
[23:22] <xnox> mwhudson, archive update is atomic, but a client can catch the update mid-way that is to get "old" Release and "new" Packages.gz
[23:22] <mwhudson> xnox: it seems to be persistent
[23:23] <xnox> mwhudson, there is a solution to this, to do by hash Packages et.al. but it's in experimental apt.
[23:23] <sarnold> apt-cacher-ng can make an annoying transient condition annoying and permanent :)
[23:23] <xnox> mwhudson, in that case something is borked =)
[23:26] <mwhudson> blargh it even happens if i run apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True
[23:28] <sarnold> how about Acquire::http::proxy::192.168.122.1 DIRECT ?
[23:28] <sarnold> (with your mirror's IP in place of 192.168.122.1, of course)
[23:28] <mwhudson> nope
[23:30] <sarnold> dang; that means it's time to wget things by hand and see if the mirror itself is broken
[23:30] <sarnold> writing a tool to check this has been on my todo list for a dozen years
[23:30] <sarnold> sigh
[23:30] <mwhudson> well chdist apt-get xenial update outside the schroot succeeded
[23:32] * mwhudson disables the proxy yet more forcefully in the schroot
[23:32] <xnox> there are hooks that re-add it too
[23:33] <mwhudson> joy
[23:33] <mwhudson> i like fast builds but i also like builds that don't fail for stupid reasons too :(
[23:34] * xnox gave my new isp an ultimatum - either you provide ubuntu mirror, or i mirror 1TB =)
[23:34] <xnox> they responded with "we have passed your query to actual technical staff to respond"
[23:34] <sarnold> haha
[23:35] <mwhudson> i wonder if i can smuggle a cheap 1u into the rack here in the coworking space
[23:39] <xnox> mwhudson, 1TB NVMe sticks are small =)
[23:39] <mwhudson> xnox: not cheap though
[23:40] <mwhudson> is nvme the form factor or the interconnect? my x1 carbon won't boot from the newer interconnect
[23:40] <xnox> i have no idea what interconnect is,
[23:41] <sarnold> nvme is the "not sata" bit :)
[23:41] <xnox> but i have fixed ubiquity to install on nvme driver prior to them going public.
[23:41] <xnox> it ends in like n0p1 for namespace zero, first partition.
[23:41] <sarnold> if I've understood it correctly, nvme can run over pcie addon cards, in howswap bays, and via m.2 adapters
[23:41] <xnox> cking confirmed they will work fine.
[23:41] <xnox> sarnold, si.
[23:42] <sarnold> I think those are all electrically nvme, even if the form factors are vastly differently among all three
[23:42] * xnox is awaiting dell shipment with nvme. They keep pushing back.
[23:42] <mwhudson> ah yeah, it's nvme that the x1 carbon doesn't support
[23:43] * zyga looks at a long chain of python backports for precise
[23:43] <mwhudson> you can get ahci pci things that work, but not the full nvme
[23:43] <mwhudson> i guess nvme would work if you boot from a usb stick or something silly like that
[23:44] <sarnold> I understand nvme has much higher power requirements than the typical sata device; some nvme pcie cards draw something like 25 watts...
[23:48] <xnox> sarnold, the best bit is that the industry have moved on before nvme drives hit mainstream shelfs.
[23:48] <xnox> prior to "standardtised" nvme drives we had all the custom fusioio cards et.al.
[23:48] <xnox> and now nvme is too slow too, and everyone is working on direct access memory / persistent memory.
[23:48] <xnox> such that there is no hard-drive in the userspace, just continious memory which persists.
[23:49] <sarnold> xnox: I dunno man, pmem is pretty far-out there stuff
[23:49] <sarnold> xnox: it looks -awesome- but I think nvme is going to be around for a few years
[23:51] <sbeattie> mwhudson: most but not all of the hashsum mismatches I get are due to Translations files, I've started setting 'Acquire::Languages "none";' in my schroots because of it.
[23:52] <mwhudson> sbeattie: this was Sources, fwiw
[23:52] <mwhudson> but that might not be a bad idea i guess
[23:54] <sarnold> sbeattie: hmm, I wonder if this can help you https://code.launchpad.net/~adconrad/canonical-is-charms/ubuntu-mirror/+merge/267728
[23:55] <sarnold> sbeattie: .. that may help your local mirror.. if the mirror you're copying from needs to use this too then it won't help you much :/
[23:56] <sbeattie> sarnold: I added a local patch to apt-mirror to disable pulling translations yesterday; I'm going to give it a few runs to make sure it's doing the right thing before submitting it upstream.
[23:56] <sarnold> xnox: does the experimental apt address the hash sum mismatches by changing files to predictable non-colliding names? or .. bundling signatures/hashes into the files so they're replaced atomically? I'm curious....
[23:56] <sarnold> sbeattie: ahhh
[23:56] <xnox> sarnold, yes.
[23:57] <xnox> sarnold, ala rpm style.
[23:57] <xnox> but better, cause it's on debian.
[23:57] <sarnold> xnox: nice nice. it sure feels like these hash sum mismatches are showing up more often these days than they used to.
[23:58] <sarnold> xnox: so some different layout to be more predictable sounds fantastic at this point :)
[23:59] <sarnold> sbeattie: I turned off trnslations on my laptop ages ago and then wondered why apt-cache search was returning 1/10th the results I expected; just turning them off entirely may not be ideal either :/
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2024-05-13T22:11:31.067899
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-installer
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[20:54] <lloz> Anyone know if Ubiquity is supposed to work with preseed/include and friends? I can't find any examples of people using it online and the seed seems to be ignored when used to preseed a Xubuntu 14.04 install.
[21:00] <cyphermox> lloz: yes
[21:00] <cyphermox> there is a specific syntax to follow for some keys though
[21:01] <cyphermox> here's an annotated example: http://people.canonical.com/~mtrudel/preseed/full.cfg
[21:01] <lloz> Thank you, looking at it now
[21:03] <lloz> Hm, I don't see any preseed/include usage there
[21:08] <lloz> By preseed/include I mean including other preseed files from a first one as in the section "Chainloading preconfiguration files": https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs05.html.en
[21:08] <cyphermox> yes
[21:09] <cyphermox> hrm
[21:09] <cyphermox> I suppose it *should* work. did you try it with debian-installer at all?
[21:09] <lloz> Hm, I'll try to come up with a minimal non-working example. I'm using this as a part of a Packer/Vagrant/Virtualbox build-line...
[21:10] <cjwatson> I don't think we ever added preseed/include support to casper, which is where it would have to go.
[21:10] <lloz> The analagous config with Ubuntu 14.04 server iso (no casper, no ubiquity, only d-i) works perfectly
[21:10] <cjwatson> casper basically reimplements the read-and-apply bits of preseed.
[21:10] <lloz> Hm, yeah I looked in casper-set-selections a bit
[21:11] <lloz> Hm, well as long as there wasn't some documentation I was missing, I'll just flatten my preseeds for the ubiquity installs
[21:11] <cyphermox> cjwatson: you're too fast!
[21:12] * cyphermox was still looking at preseed and retrieving casper :)
[21:12] <lloz> Thank you :-)
[21:12] <cyphermox> cjwatson: thanks!
[22:12] <lloz> I promised to provide a minimal(-ish) example: here it is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13496264/
[22:12] <lloz> It still uses packer, but just because I'm lazy and prefer for packer to setup the env, host the preseeds and put in the boot-line for me...
[22:13] <lloz> (My answer was questioned, but for posterity and such..)
[22:13] <lloz> (My question was answered*)
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-ops
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[02:42] <h00k> genii: took me a bit to figure out who it was being called in
[02:43] <genii> I booted both
[02:43] <genii> No +b yet, we'll see who comes back
[02:44] <h00k> g did
[02:44] <h00k> It was confusing, it looked like copypasta lines but I don't see the original lines,
[02:44] <h00k> I was trying to read too quickly.
[02:47] <genii> h00k: kleesiger seems to be the issue. Has not returned since being booted. Gave gzcwnk a warning with instructions what to do next time. So far so good.
[17:37] <mapps> hello
[17:37] <mapps> why was i banned AGAIN?
[17:37] <mapps> for telling the truth , seems a bit unfair
[17:37] <phunyguy> mapps, my guess is for promoting violence
[17:38] <mapps> aha
[17:40] <tonyyarusso> Called for nuking a country, labelled an entire nation as terrorist sympathizers, said Turks were a disgrace, said they shouldn't be allowed into the EU...not a short list.
[17:40] <mapps> yea
[17:41] <mapps> that's all true though, i dont dispute it
[17:41] <mapps> who would want them in the eu / read the papers they support isis!! i dont make it up
[17:42] <tonyyarusso> Well, that's really not helping your case then.
[17:42] <phunyguy> mapps, true or not, it's not something we allow in the channels.
[17:42] <mapps> you should read the papers, i didnt make them do anything
[17:42] <mapps> ok
[17:43] <phunyguy> so, you didn't get banned for telling the "truth", you got banned for supporting/promoting violence. Let's make sure that is clear.
[17:44] <tonyyarusso> Actually, I would have done it for the villification of an entire people even without the explicit violence. That's pretty gross.
[17:45] <mapps> so it's ok they shoot down an innocent plane, gotcha
[17:45] <mapps> as usual, all about PC
[17:45] <phunyguy> mapps, for Christ's sake, get this through your head. You got banned for promoting violence, and what tonyyarusso said. Nothing more.
[17:46] <k1l_> mapps: its not ok you calling for "nuking turkey" or villification of all turkish people. no.
[17:46] <k1l_> mapps: no matter what the papers say: your behavior is not acceptable. stop blaming others for that
[17:47] <mapps> i dont agree, so i guess it's good im banned
[17:47] <phunyguy> and the leash was pretty short based on the past.
[17:47] <k1l_> yes, the ubuntu community doesnt want people that behave like you.
[17:47] <phunyguy> mapps, anything else we can help you with?
[17:48] <mapps> why is everyone appologists/lefties/ , saying anything negative and people cry
[17:48] <phunyguy> mapps, please /part the channel now.
[17:49] <phunyguy> This one should probably stick a bit longer than the last few.
[17:49] <phunyguy> (1-2 weeks before)
[17:50] <tonyyarusso> Yeah....I haven't even searched the BT to see how many separate ones he's had yet.
[17:50] <phunyguy> just search for the first two octets of his IP
[17:51] <phunyguy> wildcard it
[17:51] <phunyguy> in fact it would be ideal to change the ban to *!map*@195.166.*
[17:52] <phunyguy> he won't try to evade, but his IP changes in that range a lot
[17:52] <tonyyarusso> Right.
[17:52] <phunyguy> I think that syntax is correct anyway
[17:52] <phunyguy> first 3 digits of ident and first two octets of IP
[17:53] <tonyyarusso> Looks like maybe it can actually be slightly narrower too - seems his ISP only has a /21
[17:54] <tonyyarusso> Also, he always has at least two Ps in his nick, doesn't he?
[17:56] <phunyguy> not sure on that
[17:57] <phunyguy> figured one p to be safe
[17:57] <tonyyarusso> Oh, nope.
[17:57] <tonyyarusso> You're right.
[17:57] <phunyguy> it happens once in a while. ;)
[17:57] <tonyyarusso> He also has more than one ISP, between DSL, phone, and I think a VPS or something.
[17:59] <phunyguy> hmm
[18:00] <tonyyarusso> One hasn't been used in a while, so really only two that I care about.
[18:02] <phunyguy> looks good
[18:34] <tonyyarusso> If you use the duration feature on @comment, does it count from the timestamp of the comment or of the ban?
[18:34] <k1l_> it forgets the duration
[18:35] <k1l_> i am trapped everytime in that misstake
[18:35] <tonyyarusso> er, what?
[18:35] <k1l_> yeah. seems like somewhat is broken on the bot on that.
[18:35] <phunyguy> yeah I just use @duration
[18:35] <tonyyarusso> What do you mean it forgets the duration?
[18:36] <k1l_> see comment on 69319
[18:36] <k1l_> @duration 69319
[18:36] <k1l_> @comment 69319
[18:36] <tonyyarusso> Oh, so it just doesn't work at all.
[18:37] <k1l_> and i am quite sure i set some durations with @durations even after the comment and that got forgotten, too
[18:37] <tonyyarusso> All right, so in that case, if using *@duration* then, does it count from the date of the ban, or of when you use that command? :P
[18:37] <k1l_> from date of ban
[18:37] <tonyyarusso> k
[19:09] <Flannel> Why is ubot9 in -ot?
[19:11] <tonyyarusso> There is *definitely* something wrong with the @duration code...
[19:14] <tonyyarusso> Take a ban from Aug 01 2015, do "@duration ID 5mo", it returns "will be removed after 5 months" (ie Jan 01 2016), do @duration ID again immediately, and it says "will be removed after 3 months and 2 days" (ie Feb 26 2016). ???
[19:15] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: It's not a bug. You're just not thinking fourth dimensionally.
[19:15] <tonyyarusso> heh
[19:16] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: Does it give you the Jan 1/Feb 26 date?
[19:16] <tonyyarusso> No, that's me calculating.
[21:39] <cristian_c> hello
[21:40] <k1l_> hello cristian_c
[21:40] <cristian_c> I'd have a question
[21:41] <cristian_c> k1l_: in #ubuntu-it we have found an user called 'ubot9'
[21:41] <k1l_> that is Unit193s ubuntu bot.
[21:42] <cristian_c> ubot9 ukikie ubuntu/bot/ubot93 * :Killer robot from The Hive.
[21:42] <cristian_c> ubot9 :#ubuntu-it #ubuntu
[21:42] <cristian_c> k1l_: ah,k, thanks
[21:42] <ikonia> cristian_c: one of the other ops from #ubuntu-it was in yesterday
[21:42] <ikonia> I explained to him about the bot and all the info
[21:43] <cristian_c> ikonia: ah, ok, sorry, I didn't know
[21:43] <ikonia> no need for sorry
[21:43] <Unit193> cristian_c: Should be well behaved, but if you'd still like it gone no problem.
[21:43] <ikonia> maybe worth talking to the other ops so you're all in sync
[21:43] <cristian_c> ikonia: I think so
[21:44] <cristian_c> I'll talk with him to know his opinion
[21:44] <cristian_c> bye, thanks fpr the answer
[21:45] <valorie> ":Killer robot from The Hive." is probably not helpful
[21:51] <phunyguy> "The hive cluster is under attack"
[21:51] <Unit193> Different references there, both good.
[21:54] <Unit193> Either way though, that was leftover (and people actually read those!), changed to something sane now.
[21:58] <valorie> sane usually equals boring, I agree
[21:58] <valorie> science fiction classic refs are awesome
[21:59] <valorie> but not so much for newcomers and those for whom english is a second language
[23:20] <k1l_> its some botnet again
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-cm
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[16:04] <ariabbas> .
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2024-05-13T22:11:31.082597
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2015-11-24-#launchpad
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[06:50] <morphis> can someone help me with https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-054-1-build/39/console ?
[06:50] <morphis> basically the generated source package isn't uploaded as it seems as the build is warning with:
[06:51] <morphis> Package includes an .orig.tar.gz file although the debian revision suggests
[06:51] <morphis> that it might not be required. Multiple uploads of the .orig.tar.gz may be
[06:51] <morphis> rejected by the upload queue management software.
[06:51] <morphis> this one is a bit different from what we're normally doing with citrain (release canonical upstream to the archive) as I am trying to also use it for a package which we're not upstream for
[06:52] <morphis> where https://code.launchpad.net/~morphis/bluez/vivid-5.36-upgrade/+merge/278302 is the source for
[06:52] <morphis> things are already adjusted so that citrain doesn't change the version number or the changelog
[06:53] <morphis> however this work when building the first time in a silo but when updating the MP (with also bumping the version of the package) we end up with the warning above and nothing gets to the silo
[07:16] <wgrant> morphis: Is the orig.tar.gz identical to the previous upload?
[07:16] <morphis> wgrant: it should
[07:16] <morphis> wgrant: see https://code.launchpad.net/~morphis/bluez/vivid-5.36-upgrade/+merge/278302
[07:16] <morphis> rev 10 is what I added for the rebuild
[07:16] <morphis> rev 9 is what was published to the silo before
[07:17] <wgrant> 2015-11-23 19:00:16 INFO File bluez_5.36.orig.tar.gz already exists in Landing PPA 054, but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors.
[07:17] <wgrant> The orig tarball differs from the original upload.
[07:17] <morphis> hm, then the only reason for this can be that the orig tarball is constructed from the bzr tree
[07:18] <wgrant> Is it constructed in a deterministic way?
[07:18] <morphis> it should
[07:18] <morphis> bzr bd -S afaik
[07:19] <wgrant> Perhaps someone messed with the tags in the branch.
[07:21] <morphis> "Using the current branch without the 'debian' directory to create the tarball"
[07:21] <morphis> wgrant: there are only two tags and those are already in trunk
[07:22] <morphis> wgrant: so how does the system check if two tarballs are the same? checksum?
[07:22] <wgrant> There is no pristine-tar metadata in the branch AFAICS.
[07:22] <wgrant> Yes, the files must be bitwise equal.
[07:24] <morphis> and that wont work when building the orig tarball with --split
[14:06] <xnox> is it possible to "subscribe" all the "build" mail? that is to receive all failed to build notifications from launchpad, for ubuntu, for xenial for example?
[14:06] <xnox> (or just all of them, and then i shall filter them)
[14:08] <cjwatson> xnox: I think primary archive failures all go to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/launchpad-buildd-admins - I've never been bored enough to subscribe to find out (no archives for hopefully obvious reasons)
[14:09] <xnox> let's see how much spam that is.
[14:10] <cjwatson> xnox: There should be X-Launchpad-Build-Arch headers
[14:10] * xnox ponders if i have to be in https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-buildd-admins/+members to be allowed to lurk that list
[14:10] <cjwatson> xnox: No
[14:10] <cjwatson> At least you shouldn't
[14:11] <xnox> good =) i don't want to be there.
[14:11] <cjwatson> That's a superpowered team anyway ...
[14:11] <cjwatson> Hm, well, being on the list might let you do evil team-claiming games
[14:11] <xnox> =/ meh, not interested
[14:12] <cjwatson> I wonder what a more sensible build mail subscription model would look like.
[14:12] <xnox> RSS
[14:12] <xnox> =)
[14:12] * xnox is weird
[14:13] <cjwatson> A feed wouldn't be entirely impossible, though it would take some thought.
[14:14] * xnox is half expecting for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all to be a feedable location.
[15:14] <jgdx> !isitdownforanyoneelse
[15:15] <dobey> no
[15:17] <jgdx> right, it's just one url
[15:17] <jgdx> heh
[15:18] <Laney> launchpadlibrarian is
[15:18] <Laney> at least for me
[15:22] <cjwatson> yeah, I just noticed, reporting
[15:22] <cjwatson> sorry for slow response, I was in the middle of being perplexed debugging something else that turned out to be the same thing
[15:24] <cjwatson> it was an upgrade that took out dhcp that took out swift, apparently
[15:25] <Laney> np, I saw the chat about that and assumed it would be fixing itself shortly
[15:26] <Laney> there it is
[15:28] <Laney> sort of
[15:35] <cjwatson> jgdx,Laney: should be back now
[15:36] <jgdx> cjwatson, thanks
[15:36] <Laney> cjwatson: yeah, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lttngtop/0.3-3 happened, cheers
[15:36] <jgdx> cjwatson, btw, go get against launchpad fails with an insecure warning. is this known?
[15:36] <cjwatson> jgdx: not to me
[15:37] <jgdx> cjwatson, okay, I was wondering what I should file against
[15:37] <cjwatson> jgdx: feel free to start by filing against Launchpad itself, we can reassign if need be
[15:37] <jgdx> cjwatson, thx
[15:37] <cjwatson> go get at least used to have weird special cases for LP
[15:38] <jgdx> hm, maybe that broke
[15:38] <cjwatson> there was work on removing that, I don't know if it was completed
[18:33] <Rovident> How do I change a launchpad 'team' to a project ?
[18:44] <Rovident> hello ?
[18:45] <dobey> you can't
[18:45] <dobey> you just register a team
[18:47] <Rovident> dobey , ok so how do I register a project ?
[18:49] <dobey> go to the launchpad home page and click on "Register a new project"
[18:49] <dobey> it is in fact the link immediately preceding "Register a team"
[18:55] <Rovident> dobey, OK, done that - I registering a bug.
[22:21] <clivejo> hi, Im trying to upload to LaunchPad, but everytime the upload hangs on - Uploading calligra_2.9.8.orig.tar.xz: 190104k/190105k, why is this?
[22:29] <cjwatson> clivejo: Not clear from logs; try uploading over SFTP rather than FTP? (method = sftp, login = <your LP user name>)
[22:29] <clivejo> is the package too big?
[22:30] <clivejo> it seems to be only this one package and its driving me crazy
[22:31] <cjwatson> clivejo: It's not too big for us, but perhaps the size causes you to trigger some firewall state tracking bug along the route between you and Launchpad (speculating, but it's the sort of thing that could result in this symptom)
[22:32] <cjwatson> clivejo: I suggest SFTP because it's less likely to be fiddled with in ways that might break
[22:33] <clivejo> I dont seem to have a dput.cf
[22:33] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[22:33] <cjwatson> you can create ~/.dput.cf if it doesn't exist
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2015-11-24-#kubuntu
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[02:16] <daniel_> help
[02:17] <daniel_> hi
[02:17] <daniel_> i need some help
[03:58] <keithzg> !help
[03:58] <keithzg> (I know, I know, I'm hours late on this :P)
[09:07] <Woomla> I'm trying to start a konsole from another konsole, execute some commands and keep the konsole open. I've tried "konsole --hold --separate -e echo hi". This opens a separate konsole window but it is not interactive.
[09:08] <ikonia> Woomla: because it's executed it's command, so the shell ends
[09:10] <Woomla> ikonia: Ok. How can I keep the shell running?
[09:11] <ikonia> have to look at the options, dont know what consoles arguments are off the top of my head
[09:11] <valorie> will & at the end do it?
[09:11] <Kwaadpepper> you can type & at the end of command
[09:12] <valorie> I mean, `&`
[09:12] <Kwaadpepper> konsole&
[09:12] <ikonia> the & will tell it to continue running in the background
[09:12] <ikonia> thats not the right thing to do
[09:12] <valorie> ok
[09:12] <Kwaadpepper> but if you close your host console the child will close too
[09:12] <ikonia> I guess it woudld technically work....
[09:13] <ikonia> but I don't think backgrounding the job is the right approach
[09:13] <Kwaadpepper> the basic of fork processes
[09:20] <Woomla> I've tried `konsole& --hold --nofork --separate -e echo hi` but that doesn't execute `echo`
[09:28] <ikonia> konsole & does not seem a good thing to do
[09:35] <hateball> Woomla: konsole --separate --hold -e echo hi
[09:35] <hateball> works as expected here at any rate
[09:36] <hateball> and you can disown it with & at the very end if need be
[10:58] <jubo2> I'm getting really bummed out with this faulty HW
[10:59] <jubo2> I'm viewing the temperatures with Psensor so it is that or the SW hates me.. a lot..
[11:00] <jubo2> and that just doesn't make sense because I'm on the new Kubuntu15.10 and I don't pirate software
[11:00] <Woomla> hateball: That leaves a konsole saying 'hi'. But you cannot execute any commands in it.
[11:01] <jubo2> Today I take the non-faulty RAM from the carcass of another computer of same maker and model
[11:01] <jubo2> If the problem goes away or not it'll help rule out faulty RAM coz the previous machine never did this
[11:02] <jubo2> I'm starting to doubt if I should go for the 3rd gen i5 used and cleaned Lenovo or some other solution
[11:02] <jubo2> I gonna be splashing on 2x8GB RAM so I can throw _all_ OS enough
[11:03] <jubo2> plus I hear it helps to get gameable framerates at mid-settings in Eli Ted Angerous
[11:05] <jubo2> I saw an ad for a new laptop for the same money but this one has 5th gen i5 and a real GPU with 2GB RAM
[11:05] <jubo2> horrible 15.6"er
[11:06] <jubo2> and prlly unusable due to too wide keyboard
[11:06] <jubo2> I like 268-270mm wide
[11:11] <hateball> Woomla: ah, you need to keep running commands in it
[11:30] <mario___> ciao
[11:36] <hateball> hello mario___, do you have a question?
[12:13] <jubo2> Took me 10 minutes to swap the memories from machine-to-machine
[12:13] <jubo2> Now gonna run stress on it
[12:13] <nullkuhl> I am using an nvidia driver (its a must for me) and i get Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". on running glxgears, any idea ?
[12:15] <jubo2> 'stress -c 10 -m 5 -i 5 -d 10 -t 600'
[12:16] <lordievader> nullkuhl: Is the nvidia driver loaded?
[12:16] <nullkuhl> lordievader: yes , i selected it with prime-select nvidia and its loaded
[12:17] <lordievader> Hmm, since this is a typical error when it ain't loaded.
[12:17] <lordievader> You mention prime, are both drivers loaded?
[12:17] <nullkuhl> lordievader: am not sure about that.. i remove the mesa link from alternatives as it never allowed nvidia driver to be loaded
[12:18] <nullkuhl> lordievader: i am also on kdm as when i switch to lightdm i end up with a black screen, not sure if its related though :(
[12:18] <lordievader> It could very well have the same cause, yes.
[12:19] <nullkuhl> lordievader: hmm.. do you need me to paste some logs ?
[12:19] <Woomla> hateball: yes I do. So the question is how to keep the console open running commands in it.
[12:20] <lordievader> nullkuhl: Well if you could pastebin the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A 3 VGA' that might help.
[12:20] <lordievader> Must say I do not have a lot of time.
[12:21] <nullkuhl> lordievader: will try to be fast
[12:21] <nullkuhl> lordievader: http://pastebin.com/i9qTiP10
[12:22] <lordievader> Hmm, yeah that looks allright...
[12:23] <lordievader> Not really sure what the problem might be.
[12:23] <nullkuhl> xorg log then or any query to do ?
[12:24] <lordievader> Err, I'm sorry I don't really have time to look at that right now. But I'm sure someone else can help you out. Else try #ubuntu.
[12:24] <nullkuhl> lordievader: thx
[12:25] <jubo2> nope. wasn't a RAM issue shutdown occours again
[12:25] <jubo2> I should look at the logs but I'm not very good at determining which log I should see for problem X
[12:26] <hateball> jubo2: If you're having the machine shutdown while running stress... sounds to me like CPU overheat prevention in bios
[12:27] <jubo2> in BIOS you say..
[12:27] <hateball> jubo2: Well does the machine die during normal operation or just during stress?
[12:27] <jubo2> both
[12:27] <hateball> I see
[12:28] <jubo2> I'm looking at Psensor
[12:28] <jubo2> fine range now
[12:28] <jubo2> 70C
[12:28] <hateball> That's pretty warm for a CPU, but it shouldnt shut down
[12:28] <hateball> Are fans spinning OK?
[12:29] <jubo2> 4000RPM says the Psensor. I can feel a hot airflow but it is not very strong
[12:29] <jubo2> hateball: I want a 100% functional machine
[12:29] <jubo2> what should I buy
[12:30] <hateball> Well, if sensors are wrong (which they might be) it might be overheating I guess
[12:30] <hateball> jubo2: Is it an old machine?
[12:30] <jubo2> and do want 3-display capable one
[12:30] <jubo2> hateball: yes 2011 make
[12:30] <jubo2> Gaming laptops (new ones cost 1500-3000€)
[12:31] <jubo2> Mi budget is 500€
[12:31] <hateball> jubo2: Depending on how it has been used it is possible the fan exhaust is clogged up with dust. what model is it?
[12:31] <jubo2> Lenovo ThinkPad X201 with 1st gen i5
[12:31] <jubo2> I can get used 3rd gen or new 5th gen
[12:32] <jubo2> I'd really like to not buy HP
[12:32] <jubo2> Their printers are infamous for sucking up more then one paper at a time
[12:32] <jubo2> I mean how hard can it be.. Other mfgrs do it
[12:33] <jubo2> plus all the 15.6" I've tried have too wide keyboard for my finger memory
[12:33] <jubo2> I got's to have a 268-270mm wide keyboard
[12:34] <hateball> We had a model here at work that used to clog up so we had to disassemble and blow out the dust
[12:34] <hateball> It doesnt take a lot in a laptop, since they are so cramped
[12:34] <hateball> Which is why they will work fine if cooled down and then started and idling
[12:34] <jubo2> Buying a used Lenovo 410T ~ 240€ is one option
[12:34] <jubo2> it's a 14" economy business line
[12:35] <hateball> Well, we only use HP here at work. The nice thing about them is they are very Linux-friendly
[12:35] <hateball> I don't think I've come across a model that didnt have everything working ootb
[12:36] <jubo2> hateball: I gots to try that cleaning thing if the bottom comes off nicely
[12:38] <hateball> jubo2: google gives http://www.myfixguide.com/manual/lenovo-thinkpad-x201-disassembly-clean-cooling-fan-remove-keyboard/
[12:59] <Lex_> Hello A few Days ago i installed Kubuntu as the main System on my Terra-Laptop. Everything works fine ecept for my Mausecoursor I think the driver isnt working, it says: synaptics not found. I tried to install synaptics in the terminal but the mousecouror is still not working correctly. It jumps the whole time on my screen. Do you know how i can fix this, i cant find any information in the internet. Thank you and greetings from Germany
[13:05] <jubo2> hateball: Couldn't figure how to remove the KBRD
[13:05] <jubo2> from that myfixguide
[13:05] <jubo2> but I vacuum cleanered the fan exhaust
[13:06] <jubo2> time to run stress
[13:07] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[13:07] <Smurphy> Morning ... :)
[13:08] <jubo2> The temperature reading has wide variance
[13:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
[13:11] <hateball> jubo2: oh well. usually it is a must to disassemble it to remove dust stuck on fan blades etc, and between the fins of the heatsink
[13:11] <hateball> it tends to buildup like a wall of dust on the inside of the exhaust
[13:12] <Smurphy> That's why I have a Dyson vacuum cleaner... Sucks dust out like a pro :D *hrhrhr*
[13:18] <hateball> Once you get that buildup on the inside it wont be able to get sucked out through the heatsink fins
[13:18] <hateball> Also it is advised against using vacuums for the static discharge. Altho I do it myself :p
[13:19] <BluesKaj> I use a can of air plus the vacuum cleaner , it really gets the dust out, but the statically coated buildup has to be cleaned with q-tips dipped in isopropyl to get the heatsink fins really clean
[13:19] <Smurphy> hateball: Well - problem is that yoiu need to get the dust off. Power-Air-Spray won't help. I usually dismantle the fans completely and clean them. Then I also remove the heat-sinks, clean everything and apply some new heat-past etc.
[13:22] <Lex_> Hello A few Days ago i installed Kubuntu as the main System on my Terra-Laptop. Everything works fine ecept for my Mausecoursor I think the driver isnt working, it says: synaptics not found. I tried to install synaptics in the terminal but the mousecouror is still not working correctly. It jumps the whole time on my screen. Do you know how i can fix this, i cant find any information in the internet. Thank you and greetings from Germany
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Lex_, which kubuntu and have you updated and upgraded since installing?
[13:31] <Lex_> newest version and yeah i updated
[13:32] <BluesKaj> and upgrade?
[13:32] <Lex_> is there a difference?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> absolutely, update just finds the packages that need upgrading or installing , upgrade installs them
[13:33] <Lex_> how do i do it?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[13:33] <Lex_> okay tnx ill try that
[13:33] <BluesKaj> in the terminal
[13:34] <hateball> Lex_: Does the device show up at all if you run "cat /proc/bus/input/devices" ?
[13:35] <Smurphy> /usr/bin/xinput --list
[13:35] <Smurphy> works better ...
[13:36] <Lex_> i can use the touchpad but the courur junps around while im doing it
[13:38] <hateball> Smurphy: well it gives a prettier list, but not any specifics to google for :) Anyhow it appears it is detected
[13:39] <Lex_> what does this synaptics mean?
[13:39] <hateball> Lex_: are you able to configure it using the touchpad config gui?
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Lex_, isn't there a sensitivity settings option in synaptics?
[13:40] <hateball> There should be a whole bunch of options to tweak, like palm detection etc
[13:40] <Lex_> i dont know what synaptics is its says if i open device management
[13:40] <hateball> Lex_: press alt+space to open krunner, search for "touchpad"
[13:40] <hateball> That should get you the configuration gui
[13:41] <Lex_> ok wait its still upgrading
[13:45] <Lex_> if i open touchpad settings there is a red bar with: synaptics backend not found
[13:47] <hateball> hmmm, that might be https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344958 I guess
[13:47] <hateball> I am on 14.04 on this machine
[13:49] <Lex_> yeah im on this site too in this monent .D
[13:51] <Lex_> i dont understand what these guys are doing there :D
[13:55] <Lex_> Hello A few Days ago i installed Kubuntu as the main System on my Terra-Laptop. Everything works fine ecept for my Mausecoursor I think the driver isnt working, it says: synaptics not found. I tried to install synaptics in the terminal but the mousecouror is still not working correctly. It jumps the whole time on my screen. Do you know how i can fix this, i cant find any information in the internet. Thank you and greetings from Germany
[13:59] <glx> hello, I've got a problem after upgrading kubuntu (64) to 15.10. kinit, plasma and krunner crashes on startup, a message says "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0" " I tried fglrx, fglrx-updates and OS driver. I was looking for solution for couple of hours. can anyone help please?
[14:03] <soee> try to backup your .kde and .config folders and remove them
[14:03] <glx> ok, thx
[14:04] <glx> but the problem is that I treid starting twm and it neither works
[14:06] <glx> and plasma also doesn't start on newly created user account, so probably it has nothing to do with configuratiopn
[16:28] <jubo2> is it normal for temperature sensor readings to flux 15-20C
[16:28] <jubo2> or is it lying?
[16:30] <rom1504> maybe if your computer is in a fridge
[16:30] <jubo2> I need fresh laptop
[16:30] <jubo2> also need fresh desktop to play Eli Ted Angerous
[16:31] <jubo2> can barely afford either one of these needs
[16:32] <rom1504> ok
[16:32] <rom1504> get a job
[16:39] <jubo2> rom1504: difficult. capitalist likes to make the rules for the bottom of the pyramid unreasonable and the compensations for the top of the pyramid unreasonable
[16:40] <jubo2> I go now search for studio technician education opportunities
[16:40] <MichaelP> 15.10 installer don't like partitions with os on it... Goes from select language to prepare goog... but then click next.. and it hangs.... cancle it... do mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1 mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda2... then start again and it does like it is supose to
[16:40] <jubo2> I'm in Finlan so all education from creche, day-care, pre-school, school, high-school, and multiple doctorates are free of charge
[16:41] <jubo2> I don't care. I got Ph.D. in the art of the obscure things
[16:44] <MichaelP> What does ph.D have to do with anything ?
[16:49] <jubo2> MichaelP: sounds like you have weird bug
[16:49] <jubo2> not that I'd know about computers
[16:50] <jubo2> Yesterday I opened a G3 128MB 20GB mac from the wrong direction
[16:53] <MichaelP> How you open a computer from the wrong direction ? they only open one way
[16:54] <genii> Maybe things fell out
[16:55] <jubo2> Maybe I just buy rad desktop gaming rig and run Konversation in virtual machine in VirtualBox
[16:56] <jubo2> I would like a nice gaming desktop ( not as energy restricted and not as heat restricted ) and a laptop but cannot afford both
[16:56] <MichaelP> Guess next give it to someone that knows computer..... Tech work.. for people that know what they doing
[16:58] <MichaelP> time reboot into installed system
[16:58] <jubo2> MichaelP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktwlN_ocL-o - Franz Ferdinand - Michael (2004)
[16:58] * jubo2 hits the proper volume-button
[16:59] <jubo2> Michael is an ancient Wikipedia troll and sock
[16:59] <jubo2> Really hated by the sysop(presseur)ators
[16:59] <jubo2> maybe mild hate
[17:00] <jubo2> not the physically real hate maybe, just the watered down of noun thanks to interwebz
[17:00] <MichaelP> lol
[17:00] <jubo2> Good news is that in a little while the current Internet will be known as "Legacy Internet"
[17:01] <jubo2> [Wednesday 04 June 2014] [23:08:08] <jubo2> "We could patch in the Legacy Internet onto this new network but really, why bother?" ~ http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Some_guy in 2018
[17:02] <jubo2> Yeah.. Teh Scots are going to save the world from data protection, retention and transmission done badly
[17:03] <MichaelP> Wikipedia.....Michael /ˈmaɪkəl/ is a male given name that comes from the Hebrew: מִיכָאֵל / מיכאל (Mīkhāʼēl, pronounced [miχaˈʔel]), derived from the question מי כאל mī kāʼēl, meaning "Who is like God?"[1]
[17:03] <jubo2> "Maikkel.. Are you there?" *presses turbo-boost*
[17:05] <jubo2> Kitt does not want toxic waste sludge dump
[17:12] <MichaelP> Guess 15.10 plasma 5.4.2 has same bug as debian testing... 50 secounds before desktop does anything
[17:14] <jubo2> Got fed up with that machine shutting down
[17:14] <jubo2> Gonna move irc here to the 268mm keyboarded netbook
[17:15] <jubo2> just about any minute now
[17:15] <MichaelP> Sounds like something wrong with it.. of it shuting down
[17:15] <jubo2> 'tar czvf irc-logs-2015-11-24.tar.gz ~/logs/'
[17:15] <nullkuhl> in plasma 5 login screen, clock and date are written in a different language, how can i switch them to english ? i have all regional settings set to english us
[17:16] <jubo2> nullkuhl: one way to get English language error reports from CLI programs at least is to set the environment variable for locale to C
[17:16] <jubo2> they really help
[17:16] <jubo2> I am from Finlan
[17:17] <jubo2> so Finnish error reports aren't easy with English language support like Freenode irc
[17:17] <nullkuhl> jubo2: am not sure if i get you, can you elaborate more
[17:17] <jubo2> nullkuhl: Suppose you have Finnish or Swedish or French GNU/Linukka
[17:17] <jubo2> then you get error
[17:18] <jubo2> set the locale to "C" in the env and all programs should print in US English
[17:18] <jubo2> this way the user does not need to attempt and fail and translating it
[17:19] <nullkuhl> but am not talking about errors here, its login screen clock
[17:19] <jubo2> nullkuhl: but is that a biggie
[17:19] <jubo2> computers are and have been full of glitches
[17:19] <nullkuhl> yes, because its in arabic and i dont understand arabic numerals
[17:20] <jubo2> sometimes restarting layer by layer fixes the problem even if it isn't a credible proof how the problem got sorted
[17:20] <jubo2> nullkuhl: noh noh.. Latin uses arabic numerals
[17:20] <nullkuhl> its hindi numerals
[17:20] <jubo2> Yiddish has those letter/numbers / number/letters tsydem
[17:20] <nullkuhl> jubo2: and now u are just trolling XD
[17:21] <MichaelP> nullkuhl: maybe this will help... https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/202
[17:21] <jubo2> jubo-jubo in the controlls. kick back and enjoy refreshments.
[17:21] <jubo2> nullkuhl: I dunno Hindi letters but that Mother Amma is nice
[17:22] <jubo2> come all the way to freezing North to hug people and give them gifts
[17:23] <MichaelP> He thinks he smart because he have PHD in obscure things
[17:23] <nullkuhl> lol
[17:23] <nullkuhl> MichaelP: locale -a : ar_EG.utf8
[17:24] <nullkuhl> then comes en us,, so how can i remove the ar_EG from locale
[17:26] <nullkuhl> did it, will reboot and see
[17:27] <MichaelP> nullkuhl: where is locale in kubuntu ? arch in etc/locale.conf
[19:56] <hazamonzo> hey folks. Anyone know if i can specify a .pem with a fish:// connection in dolphin?
[22:26] * tsimonq2 is gone: test
[23:44] <clivejo> anyone know of a decent temperature plasmoid?
[23:46] <valorie> temp of computer, or temp as in weather?
[23:46] <valorie> that said, I dunno for either
[23:57] <clivejo> CPU, GPU, HDD etc
[23:58] <clivejo> ah found one
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2015-11-24-#snappy
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[02:52] <liuxg> does anyone know how to install mysql into snappy?
[08:11] <fgimenez> good morning
[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[09:12] <dholbach> tedg, do you know how close we are to releasing snapcraft 0.5?
[09:19] <mattyw> morning folks - the first thing to be said is that I'm very new to setting up bridge networks - so go gentle, but is there any equivalent to bridge-utils for snappy? I'm trying to create a bridge so I can create lxc containers that get ip addresses from my router, but I don't see a simple way of being able to create a bridge device
[10:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday and happy Celebrate Your Unique Talent Day! 😃
[11:54] <asac> Chipaca: yeah, so having rest api working (TM) on 15.04 would be great
[15:28] <tsimonq2> hmm, are there any snaps that need to be made? :P
[15:43] <sergiusens> tsimonq2, can you maybe be more specific?
[15:53] <tsimonq2> sergiusens: or rather tasks that need to be done? I would like to contribute to Ubuntu Snappy
[16:08] <sergiusens> tsimonq2, you can try and write a snapcraft plugin to handle a source type if you want; there are snappy clinics on youtube getting into the basics
[16:08] <sergiusens> another things could be using Ubuntu Core, finding bugs and maybe fixing them
[16:08] <sergiusens> not sure what you are into
[17:44] <elopio> plars: I need to look at the output of the latest script. Can you get it for me please?
[17:45] <elopio> I think it would be easier if I add set -x and rerun, right?
[19:56] <kami__> Hi. I have installed snappy ubuntu core on raspberry pi 2. Does anyone know if it's possible to compile Qt for it?
[20:15] <kgunn> tedg: ping
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-za
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[05:22] <pieter2627> o\ ... o/
[05:39] <thatgraemeguy> morning all
[06:40] <mazal> Mornings
[07:15] <inetpro> goeie more
[13:46] <Squirm> 'lo
[13:50] <gremble> Hey Squirm
[14:03] <Squirm> Hey gremble
[18:17] <pieter2627> wow, but it's silent here tonight
[18:18] * pieter2627 hopes all remembered the meeting
[18:21] <Kilos> oh my
[18:21] <Kilos> i was just about to go to dleep
[18:21] <Kilos> inetpro where are you
[18:22] <Kilos> s/dleep/sleep
[18:22] <pieter2627> rofl
[18:23] <Kilos> haha i came here to say night
[18:23] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:24] <pieter2627> ag sies, hoe kan oom vergeet :P
[18:24] <pieter2627> :P
[18:25] <pieter2627> time just moves to fast at time (sigh)
[18:29] <Kilos> yip
[18:29] <pieter2627> seems that i'm lucky to have caught you Kilos - may have had a meeting by myself
[18:29] <Kilos> i dont think i even greeted here today
[18:29] <pieter2627> can't remember
[18:30] <pieter2627> shall we start?
[18:30] <Kilos> no man we can postpone it or even make it next month if no one pitches up
[18:30] <pieter2627> great, it would have been weird...
[18:30] <Kilos> haha
[18:30] <pieter2627> lets just wait a bit thu
[18:31] <Kilos> lets ping some peeps and hear what they say
[18:32] <Kilos> gremble inetpro Squirm superfly you guys up for a meeting or can we kinda skip this one
[18:32] <pieter2627> ping inetpro superfly gremble thatgraemeguy Squirm
[18:32] <inetpro> eh, hello
[18:32] <inetpro> let's have a meeting about postponing a meeting
[18:32] <Kilos> haha
[18:32] <Kilos> ya
[18:32] <pieter2627> lol
[18:32] <Kilos> thats an idea
[18:33] * pieter2627 feels like saying 'can be start' for the pun
[18:33] <Kilos> im a bit bushed so i vote +1 to postpone
[18:33] <gremble> I'm chill to postpone it. :P
[18:33] <gremble> Didn't even know where was one due for today
[18:33] <Kilos> pieter2627
[18:33] <pieter2627> +1
[18:33] <Kilos> start the meeting
[18:33] <pieter2627> but until when?
[18:34] * pieter2627 am now confused
[18:34] <Kilos> then we can say due to overloaded peeps we have to postpone
[18:34] * inetpro was thinking about excusing meself from the meeting this morning but failed to get it done
[18:35] <Kilos> so its on record everyone is busy
[18:35] <Kilos> inetpro what you say
[18:35] <pieter2627> oh start to announce the postpone?
[18:35] <Kilos> ya
[18:35] * pieter2627 will just wait for inetpro's input
[18:36] <Kilos> we can blame it on isis
[18:36] <inetpro> haha... just skip it
[18:36] <pieter2627> lol
[18:37] <pieter2627> we should maybe then just mail the list and tell them of the **wonderful** meeting they missed...
[18:38] <Kilos> Maaz announce Due to everyone needing to beef up security due to terry activities tonights meeting is cancelled
[18:38] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Due to everyone needing to beef up security due to terry activities tonights meeting is cancelled
[18:40] <pieter2627> i guess we will discuss the new date tom
[18:40] <pieter2627> so night all o/
[18:40] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:40] <Kilos> lock your house well and sleep outside in the bush
[20:24] <kulelu88> yo gremble
[20:28] <gremble> Hey kulelu88
[20:29] <kulelu88> howzit?
[20:32] <gremble> Bleh. Studying for Lin alg, but I suffer from being too lazy
[20:32] <gremble> How about with you?
[20:32] <kulelu88> all good.
[20:33] <gremble> Soo, how was friday?
[20:37] <kulelu88> I PMed you gremble
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2015-11-24-#kubuntu-devel
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[07:12] <soee> good morning
[07:43] <lordievader> Riddell: Would it be allright if I invite a couple of friends to the saturday dinner at FOSDEM?
[10:44] <ghostcube> hmm kernel 4.2.x will be backported to 14.04.03?
[11:22] <Riddell> lordievader: sure, just put them down on the page
[11:39] <lordievader> Well, we still need to talk about it. Just wanted to see if it would be okay :D
[12:54] <pursuivant> kubuntu-debug-installer (master) 8d87449 * Harald Sitter: .bzr-builddeb/default.conf
[12:54] <pursuivant> remove leftover from bzr
[12:54] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/kubuntu-debug-installer/8d8744913e2e996f68b8e3824c8202f2118ff220
[13:07] <BluesKaj> HI folks
[17:40] <shadeslayer> oooh
[17:40] <shadeslayer> the X1 carbon has a option for 16GB of RAM
[17:44] <yofel> most of the better equipped notebooks do by now. (My T550 has 16)
[18:05] <soee> hiho
[18:42] <clivejo> yofel: ping
[18:42] <yofel> hm?
[18:43] <clivejo> do you know whats going on with 15.08.3 apps in xenial?
[18:43] <yofel> nothing
[18:43] <clivejo> how come they are in wily?
[18:43] <clivejo> or in staging for wily?
[18:44] <yofel> because scarlett merged stuff into wily skipping xenial
[18:44] <clivejo> I thought xenial came first, then wily?
[18:44] <yofel> usually yes
[18:44] * clivejo scratches head
[18:45] <yofel> no need to. She just put the order upside down to get the packages done for wily
[18:45] <clivejo> does that cause problems for the automation tools?
[18:45] <yofel> with our fancy git branches, "backports" is really just a label
[18:45] <yofel> shouldn't
[18:46] <clivejo> would you have time to help me stage them?
[18:49] <yofel> with our tooling I would be happier if you don't do it :/
[18:49] <clivejo> ok
[18:50] <yofel> I might have some time to do it later, and I guess I could do it in a container so you could watch
[18:50] <yofel> or we could do it together
[18:50] <clivejo> give me a shout when you have time
[18:50] <yofel> ok, in an ~hour
[18:58] <soee> what is the ci server status ?
[19:01] <yofel> undetermined
[19:01] <yofel> on that topic
[19:02] <yofel> sitter: how does one actually reach clemens?
[19:29] <soee> yofel: you should talk with DO, i ahve there 3 droplets and they work perfect
[19:30] <soee> + the snapshts feature etc.
[19:31] <yofel> soee: that was the plan (and I'm using DO myself). But Harald said that we could maybe take over the existing server, which would give us some more time to set things up ourselves
[19:31] <soee> yofel: but the existing one would be for free ?
[19:31] <soee> i think DO could sponsor open source project
[19:32] <yofel> probably not unless blue systems would keep sponsoring it (unlikely)
[19:32] <yofel> Rick said that he got talked to DO and was offered $500 free usage at least
[19:32] <yofel> -got
[19:32] <soee> $500 free usage at least :
[19:32] <soee> ?
[19:33] <yofel> Rick said on trello "We have the opportunity of $480 of Digital Ocean hosting."
[19:33] <yofel> you'll have to ask him for details
[19:34] <yofel> that would cover the server costs for over a year I think
[19:34] <yofel> after that we can apply to the ubuntu community fund
[22:02] <yofel> clivejo: sorry, I won't get to applications today anymore
[22:03] <clivejo> ok :(
[22:26] * tsimonq2 is gone: test
[22:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: where's the group picture?
[22:28] <clivejo> Im trying to upload to LaunchPad, but everytime the upload hangs on - Uploading calligra_2.9.8.orig.tar.xz: 190104k/190105k, why is this? Driving me insane
[22:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: do you have any good pictures? :P
[22:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: facebook? flickr.com/jriddell too I think
[22:31] <shadeslayer> meh, I look weird in that
[22:32] <shadeslayer> bugger it then
[22:32] <Riddell> nonsense, you look very fetching
[22:35] <Riddell> clivejo: put on a web server somewhere and ask someone else to upload?
[22:35] <Riddell> kamoso 3.1 is out!
[22:35] <clivejo> but why wont it work :/
[22:36] <clivejo> wasted over a Gb trying
[22:36] <Riddell> gosh I get e-mailed about new shadeslayer blogs
[22:36] <shadeslayer> heh
[22:38] <shadeslayer> did you know that eleven plus two is a anagram of twelve plus one
[22:38] <shadeslayer> the useless things QI teaches you
[22:38] <shadeslayer> also, moon starer is a anagram of astronomer
[22:38] <shadeslayer> which is what they called themselves back then
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-br
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[00:46] <clupus> Oi pessoal. Estou usando o Xubuntu e gostaria de instalar a interface Gnome. Qual pacote instalo ? gnome-desktop ? gnome-shell ?
[00:48] <astroo-> ola
[00:48] <hggdh> clupus: ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[00:50] <clupus> hggdh, obrigado !
[01:39] <adrianobs> boa noite
[01:40] <astroo-> adrianobs ola
[01:40] <adrianobs> desde que instalei o ubuntu tenho tido problemas para ver videos online (youtube, globosat play, netflix, etc.)
[01:41] <astroo-> que programa usas?
[01:41] <adrianobs> rodam como se estivessem em camera lenta, travando
[01:41] <adrianobs> tenho tentado no navegador
[01:42] <astroo-> mas qual?
[01:42] <adrianobs> chrome ou mozilla
[01:42] <adrianobs> o netflix s'o abre no chrome
[01:51] <Philosophus> pow instalou os drivers adicionais ?
[01:51] <adrianobs> sou novo no ubuntu
[01:52] <adrianobs> quando instalei o ubuntu tudo funcionou normal
[01:52] <adrianobs> só os videos online que travam, fora isso está rodando liso
[01:56] <astroo-> da uns 15 minutos pela possivel resposta de alguem
[01:56] <adrianobs> ok
[01:58] <adrianobs> pode ser algum problema com o driver da placa de video ou mesmo alguma configuração...
[01:58] <astroo-> diz que chip video e
[01:59] <adrianobs> peraí
[02:01] <adrianobs> Radeon Xpress 1270
[02:03] <astroo-> amd...
[02:04] <adrianobs> é um notebook DELL Inspiron 1521
[02:08] <astroo-> cpu antigo
[02:09] <astroo-> no youtube tens de usar o adobe player por o html5 e 1 merda porque a google nao tem mais $$$$$ para 1 bom codec "piada"
[02:10] <adrianobs> como configuro?
[02:11] <astroo-> firefox e com 1 adicional youtube flash video player
[02:16] <adrianobs> no linux eu devo instalar algum pacote de codecs? (tipo os do windows...)
[02:17] <astroo-> poe o videolan
[02:20] <adrianobs> instalo pela central de programas do ubuntu? não encontrei...
[02:20] <astroo-> mais nao sei
[02:21] <adrianobs> achei
[02:28] <MerliM> adrianobs: na central de programas deve ser o VLC
[02:28] <MerliM> o nome realmente é videolan porem ele é conhecido nos repositorios como vlc
[02:29] <adrianobs> instalei
[02:29] <adrianobs> mas o vlc interfere nos codecs quando abro pelo chrome?
[02:31] <astroo-> acho que nao
[02:34] <MerliM> bem parece-me que ele roda se tiver anexado a extensao do arquivo em questao
[02:34] <MerliM> ou pelo menos pede pra rodar por ele
[02:34] <MerliM> nao lembro quase nao preciso uso youtube pelo html5
[02:34] <MerliM> quando quero baixar algo uso o safefrom.net
[02:34] <MerliM> facebook nao acesso e por ai vai
[02:35] <adrianobs> o que é html5?
[02:37] <astroo-> nova moda de dar videos e de fazer sites
[02:39] <MerliM> evolucao ou reconstrucao da linguagem de marcação formatacao de conteudo na web
[02:39] <MerliM> agora com suporte a arquivos de multimidia
[02:40] <MerliM> multimedia como queira
[02:40] <adrianobs> sou novo no ubuntu...
[02:44] <MerliM> entendo mano
[02:44] <MerliM> bem vindo
[04:10] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[04:15] <MerliM> astroo-: vlws man
[04:15] <astroo-> ate
[07:54] <feioso> quem estiver precisando de vps #sbyte
[09:21] <elisboa> bom dia
[09:57] <jaqent> elisboa: Bom dia
[10:45] <kanazuchi> 24
[10:46] <jaqent> 25
[10:46] * jaqent ganha o jogo
[11:02] <elisboa> /exec -o salem | rev
[11:02] * elisboa lol
[12:17] <shallwe> bom dia
[12:17] <shallwe> agora eu entendo pq o libreoffice cresceu tanto :) http://news.softpedia.com/news/libreoffice-now-gather-more-than-1000-developers-496597.shtml
[12:17] <shallwe> a união faz a força
[12:18] <aedigital> yeap
[12:19] <shallwe> isso do ubuntu lançar tantas versões tb é legal, faz o pessoal trabalhar abaixo de laço kkk
[12:19] <shallwe> não fica aquela distro parada sem muitas alterações só correções
[12:21] <shallwe> e pra finalizar que interessante um dia desses perguntaram sobre isso, firewall do ubuntu http://br-linux.org/2015/01/firewall-descomplicado-no-ubuntu-ufw.html
[12:24] <aedigital> bem, quanto a isto de distro parada ja nao concordo muito com voce
[12:24] <aedigital> mas eh ae um lance de cada pessoa
[12:25] <shallwe> é bom me equivoquei de falar em distro parada, mas digo muito sem novidades
[12:25] <shallwe> pois parada nunca está, sempre tem alguem reportando bugs e alterando
[12:26] <aedigital> k
[15:30] <feioso> venda de vps em reais -> #sbyte
[15:50] <lostipm> Boa tarde
[15:50] <shallwe> boa tarde
[15:51] <lostipm> Eu posso pedir uma ajuda por aqui?
[15:51] <shallwe> depende da ajuda
[15:53] <lostipm> Estou com um problema pois comecei a usar Ubuntu a pouco tempo e estou tentando configurar um servidor de email para que envie email localmente com protocolo SMTP e sem autenticação. Porém esta bem complicado de achar referências sobre isso
[15:53] <shallwe> lostipm: isto via php?
[15:54] <lostipm> java
[15:54] <shallwe> a bom então passo :)
[15:54] <lostipm> obrigado de qualquer forma
[15:54] <shallwe> mas só uma dica, vc já trabalhou ou conhece o envio de e-mails?
[15:54] <shallwe> é algo de envio em massa?
[15:54] <lostipm> Sim
[15:54] <lostipm> na verdade é para fins academico
[15:55] <lostipm> estou estudando protocolos de rede
[15:55] <shallwe> lostipm: a bom, então sabes que tem limite por hora antes de bloquearem seu dominio ips etc certo?
[15:56] <lostipm> sim mas como quero efetuar isso localmente acredito que não é esse o problema estou tentando configurar o postfix
[15:56] <lostipm> para funcionar como relay
[15:56] <lostipm> mas como sou "verde" ainda nisso não estou conseguindo
[15:57] <shallwe> a bom, blz de repente alguém tem alguma dica, boa sorte
[15:57] <lostipm> vou continuar pesquisando e tentandose alguém souber um meio ou puder ajudar agradeço
[15:58] <shallwe> claro blz
[16:14] <MerliM> kanazuchi: e ae mano
[16:14] <MerliM> hggdh: blza
[16:14] <MerliM> todos boa tarde
[16:19] <MerliM> que houve aqui
[16:23] <lostipm> boa tarde
[16:24] <MerliM> boa tarde mano
[16:28] <elisboa> tarde galera
[16:28] <elisboa> MerliM: como assim o que houve?
[16:34] <MerliM> sei la entrei e ta paradao
[16:34] <MerliM> ahaauha
[16:35] <Emilio_Eiji> tarde
[16:48] <elisboa> MerliM: então mexa-se!
[16:49] <MerliM> ahuahahua
[16:49] <MerliM> i like move move i like move moveee i like MOVEEE
[16:49] <MerliM> hggdh: sorry man nao pude resistir
[16:54] <Megabyte> Nossa
[16:55] <Megabyte> Tô traduzindo e me deparando com o quanto o português consegue ser destrambelhado certas horas
[16:55] <Megabyte> :P
[16:59] <elisboa> Megabyte: Traduzindo de onde pra onde?
[17:00] <Megabyte> elisboa, Inglês-português
[17:00] <elisboa> ah, mas tem bastante coisa mesmo
[17:02] <Megabyte> elisboa, Um exemplo de frase que soa elegante em inglês, mas estranha em português é "you can make a better ramen stock, soup"
[17:03] <Megabyte> elisboa, Se você traduzir toda a frase, fica "você pode estocar macarrão instantâneo de forma mais eficiente e fazer sopa"
[17:03] <Megabyte> elisboa, Ou "we're going to sever the head"
[17:03] <Megabyte> Que fica, "vamos interromper a conexão da cabeça com o corpo"
[17:04] <shallwe> kkk
[17:04] <Megabyte> elisboa, O português não tem uma palavra muito boa pra "sever"
[17:04] <shallwe> isso depende de quanto vc conhece o portugues e o ingles
[17:04] <Megabyte> shallwe, O que você sugere pra "sever"?
[17:04] <Megabyte> Fala um sinônimo perfeito
[17:04] <Megabyte> Não aproximação
[17:05] <Megabyte> (sinônimo perfeito = uma palavra que engloba todos os sentidos de "sever")
[17:05] <shallwe> sever seria o que pra você?
[17:05] <Megabyte> Justamente isso. Desconectar uma parte do corpo de outra.
[17:06] <Megabyte> Interromper uma conexão.
[17:06] <shallwe> eu só acho que nem sempre a tradução deve ser feita traduzindo todas as palavras, mas sim o significado da frase
[17:06] <Megabyte> shallwe, Justamente, mas assim é uma aproximação, não uma equivalência perfeita.
[17:06] <shallwe> bom ta certo, dependendo da tradução e seu uso :)
[17:07] <Megabyte> shallwe, Se não existe uma equivalência perfeita, então não existe um sinônimo perfeito.
[17:07] <shallwe> claro nem tudo pode ser traduzido, cada lingua tem seu significado
[17:08] <shallwe> japones por exemplo é impossivel traduzir as palavras, pois existem somente sílabas
[17:09] <Megabyte> shallwe, Não é uma afirmação muito boa. As sílabas são compostas de palavras. É impossível fazer uma equivalência fonética perfeita, mas é possível traduzir as palavras.
[17:09] <shallwe> vc sabe japones?
[17:10] <shallwe> mas tranquilo, eu não quero arrumar arranca rabo aqui kkk era só uma crítica construtiva :) já ficou off topic
[17:10] <MerliM> foda-se: manooo que bom te rever powwww tava com sdds enormes de vc acessa ai pra batermos um papo
[17:10] <MerliM> foda-se: ##.-.##
[17:10] <Megabyte> ?
[17:11] <elisboa> Megabyte: sever?
[17:11] <elisboa> ou server?
[17:11] <Megabyte> elisboa, sever
[17:11] <elisboa> sever = decapitar?
[17:11] <Megabyte> elisboa, É uma aproximação, mas não engloba todos os sentidos de sever
[17:11] <foda-se> Megabyte eae
[17:11] <foda-se> mano
[17:12] <Megabyte> elisboa, Sever pode ser "sever" uma parte de outra
[17:12] <elisboa> desmembrar?
[17:12] <elisboa> amputar?
[17:12] <elisboa> enfim
[17:12] <Megabyte> Duas outras aproximaçṍes boas.
[17:12] <elisboa> mas é complicado mesmo
[17:12] <Megabyte> "Arrancar" também é interessante.
[17:12] <elisboa> tradução é algo meio pessoal também
[17:13] <Megabyte> elisboa, Com certeza.
[17:13] <Megabyte> Não tem como não ser, já que seu vocabulário é uma vivência pessoal.
[17:14] <shallwe> e outra não precisa falar que esta tirando a cabeça do corpo, pois ela só sai de um lugar que é do... corpo
[17:14] <Megabyte> shallwe, Depende. Você pode colocar a cabeça em outro lugar.
[17:14] <Megabyte> shallwe, se a gente fala da cabeça puramente como um objeto
[17:15] <shallwe> e se eu te falar pra remover a cabeça, vc sabe o que tem que fazer?
[17:15] <shallwe> remover a cabeça :)
[17:15] <shallwe> kkk isso ta ficando papo de doido
[17:15] <Megabyte> shallwe, Tudo bem, mas o que é importante em "sever the head from the neck"?
[17:16] <Megabyte> shallwe, Você não viu nada. Isso é porque eu não sou tão focado em detalhes. Tem colegas meus que são bem mais.
[17:16] <shallwe> Megabyte: é cada um cada um, como dizem quanto mais detalhes, menos erros
[17:17] <Megabyte> shallwe, Eu encontrei um contexto em que "sever" foca muito na conexão. É sobre como preparar peixe pra comer.
[17:17] <kanazuchi> fala MerliM suave mano, to meio cheio de trampo, demoro pra ver rsrsrs
[17:17] <kanazuchi> oie
[17:17] <kanazuchi> xaú
[17:17] <Megabyte> Os japoneses preparam o peixe de tal forma que desconectam a cabeça do resto do peixe do corpo pra evitar que a carne fique dura.
[17:17] <Megabyte> shallwe, Não só isso... eles interrompem a conexão da coluna do peixe com o sistema nervoso
[17:17] <Megabyte> Tudo isso é "sever" em inglês
[17:17] <shallwe> Megabyte: interessante isso
[17:18] <Megabyte> shallwe, A diferença é que a cabeça é amputada
[17:18] <Megabyte> Mas a coluna não
[17:18] <shallwe> por isso que falei, depende do contexto do texto
[17:18] <Megabyte> É só a ligação com o sistema nervoso que é interrompida
[17:18] <shallwe> não apenas de uma frase ou de uma palavra
[17:18] <shallwe> falando assim parece que você está traduzindo livro de medicina :)
[17:18] <Megabyte> shallwe, Não, é só um programa de culinária :)
[17:19] <shallwe> kkk ta certo
[17:19] <Megabyte> Já ouviu falar em "The Mind of a Chef"?
[17:20] <shallwe> não, eu aprendi algumas coisas com chef emmanuelle do sambacoking o cara é fera, tem um canal no youtube
[17:20] <shallwe> dá um show em vários chefs mundiais
[17:20] <MerliM> kanazuchi: de boa suave
[17:21] <Megabyte> shallwe, Também não é assim :P
[17:22] <shallwe> Megabyte: pior que é, ta show é falar de mais, mas o cara sabe muita coisa
[17:22] <shallwe> até mais do que outros chefs
[17:23] <Megabyte> shallwe, Ele é italiano, né? Como aprendeu a falar português?
[17:23] <shallwe> sim ele é italiano
[17:23] <shallwe> ele é casado com uma brasileira e ele adora o brasil, foi o que entendi
[17:23] <Megabyte> Ah, ele tem um pouco de sotaque.
[17:23] <shallwe> eu sou brasileiro e falo ingles :) o que tem de mais
[17:23] <shallwe> arrisco até um japones kkkk
[17:23] <shallwe> olha os videos dele vc vai entender vale a pena
[17:24] <Megabyte> shallwe, Eu acho que ele é gay
[17:24] <Megabyte> hehe
[17:24] <shallwe> tb achava, mas depois de ver a esposa dele, vi que não tem como ser gay :)
[17:24] <Megabyte> shallwe, Você que pensa
[17:24] <Megabyte> O que mais tem é gay casado :X
[17:24] <MerliM> Megabyte: de fato
[17:24] <shallwe> xiii agora a coisa ficu off topic do off topic kkkk
[17:24] <Megabyte> shallwe, ahahaha
[17:25] <shallwe> to saindo pro chá da tarde com uma torta de morango com glassê
[17:25] <shallwe> e não sou gay :)
[17:25] <Megabyte> MerliM, *glacê
[17:25] <shallwe> é, não curto essa mistura de açucar
[17:25] <Megabyte> shallwe, Manda esse bolo por email
[17:25] <Megabyte> adoro glacê :P
[17:26] <shallwe> é daqui de perto de casa, nao fui eu que fiz
[17:26] <Megabyte> MerliM, Você nunca ouviu do raio gayzificador não, né? Faz parte do plano de dominação mundial LGBT
[17:26] <MerliM> kkkkkkkk
[17:26] <MerliM> cara q estranho o alert do hggdh nao se pronunciar
[17:27] <Megabyte> MerliM, Um dos sintomas é o cabelo rosa nos homens :P
[17:27] <MerliM> Megabyte: ainda bem que o meu é branco
[17:27] <MerliM> quer dizer preto com fios brancos
[17:27] <Megabyte> Não por muito tempo. Não tá vendo essa mecha rosa ali não? :O
[17:28] <MerliM> pera dexa pegar um espelhooo
[17:28] <MerliM> O.o OMG
[17:29] <shallwe> MerliM: acabou, vc citou o nome dele kkk não demora ele aparece
[17:29] <Megabyte> MerliM, Corre que tem cura. Começa a deixar de aparar os pêlos e faz um curso de como peidar em público e coçar o saco.
[17:29] <MerliM> coçar o saco ja faço
[17:29] <Megabyte> MerliM, Em público?
[17:29] <MerliM> porem realmente estou preocupado com o bot humano do canal
[17:29] <MerliM> yeap
[17:30] <shallwe> coçar saco é falta de banho por favor hahuauhauh
[17:30] <MerliM> deu vontade coço ali mesmo
[17:30] <MerliM> oxi necessidade narutal
[17:30] <MerliM> natural* como arroto
[17:30] <MerliM> shallwe: Nordeste mano teria que andar com um chuveiro na cabeça
[17:30] <MerliM> 38 quando ta frio
[17:30] <MerliM> kkk
[17:30] <shallwe> agora eu entendo pq sempre me dei melhor com os grupos das meninas kkkk
[17:31] <shallwe> odeio futebol, odeio falar de carro, mas o mais estranho é que sou juntado, não casado :) e to bem kkk
[17:31] <Megabyte> shallwe, Não necessariamente. Pode ser pêlo irritado.
[17:32] <Megabyte> MerliM, Tem que gostar de música brega também
[17:32] <Megabyte> Pode esquecer metal
[17:32] <Megabyte> Homem que é homem gosta de Falcão
[17:33] <Megabyte> Tem que cheirar a cachaça também
[17:33] <Megabyte> perfume é coisa de viado
[17:34] <MerliM> kkk
[17:34] <MerliM> Megabyte: pra que servem as mulheres na tua concepcao
[17:34] <MerliM> ???
[17:34] * Clima no #ubuntu-br: nublado com chances de banhammer
[17:34] <Megabyte> :X
[17:34] <Megabyte> jaqent, Opa
[17:35] <jaqent> Megabyte: opa o/
[17:35] <Megabyte> MerliM, Eu tô com medo da imagem que eu tô conjurando na minha cabeça :P
[17:35] <MerliM> jaqent: estranho nao acho que o hggdh nao ta por aqui
[17:35] <MerliM> ou ta dndo um grep no canal pra ban todos
[17:35] <MerliM> Megabyte: compartilhe
[17:36] <Megabyte> MerliM, Eu não consigo imaginar um cara que só coça o saco, só é fã de Falcão e não toma banho
[17:36] <Megabyte> Dá um trauma
[17:36] <Megabyte> :X
[17:37] <MerliM> o.O
[17:38] <Megabyte> jaqent, Minha vingança será maligna. Vou fazer você incorporar esse exu demoníaco.
[17:38] <Megabyte> Buahahahha
[17:40] <jaqent> Megabyte: nem esquento com o exu, mas se for continuar a linha off-topic da um pulo em um dos trocentos canais assim tipo o ##.-.##
[17:40] <Megabyte> jaqent, Essa é a parte em que rimos juntos
[17:40] * jaqent gargalha com Megabyte... HA..HA..HA
[17:40] <jaqent> :P
[17:40] <Megabyte> Melhorou :D
[17:43] <MerliM> Nuuuussaaa o Megabyte -> ta xapadooo
[17:43] <MerliM> :3
[17:43] <Megabyte> MerliM, Chapado não... só entediado
[17:57] * elisboa testando a latência...
[17:58] <foda-se> Elfon
[17:58] <foda-se> elisboa
[17:58] <foda-se> oi
[18:02] <elisboa> foda-se: olá, boa tarde
[18:02] <foda-se> boa
[18:02] <shallwe> só uma pergunta, pq esse nick?
[18:02] <elisboa> shallwe: eu?
[18:02] <elisboa> ou o foda-se ?
[18:03] <shallwe> pra mim elisboa é um bom nick :) não seria o seu
[18:03] <elisboa> shallwe: nome + sobrenome, só isso
[18:22] <jaqent> shallwe: provávelmente ele quer testar as regras do canal (sobre o nick)
[18:45] <hggdh> bem,então tá bom, não?
[18:45] <hggdh> agora, de volta ao tópico
[18:46] <lynxer10> heloo!
[18:46] <aedigital> hi
[18:50] <hggdh> bem, so much para um peŕiodo sem bans
[18:50] <lynxer10> coitado do moco, fex juz ao nick mesmo
[18:51] <lynxer10> huahuahuhuauhahu
[18:52] <hggdh> lynxer10: ...
[19:01] <mirqui> boa tarde :)
[21:02] <ule> alguem ai tem uma colecao legal de ansible scripts pra ubuntu-server?
[22:05] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[23:07] <shallwe> caramba como eu não consigo emular um game portátil de 300mhz em meu 4 core de 4ghz kkk
[23:07] <shallwe> e ainda fica lento o.O
[23:08] <astroo-> a informatica ainda esta na idade da pedra lascada quase
[23:08] <shallwe> kkk, é que eu estava testando só um emulador aqui
[23:08] <xGrind> shallwe, qual emulador?
[23:08] <shallwe> mas é bug só pode
[23:09] <shallwe> nintendo ds
[23:11] <shallwe> mas ta tranquilo nem jogo é só pra teste mesmo
[23:12] <shallwe> mas eu realmente fico abismado com a diferença que tem os consoles de video games e os jogos pra pc, é incrível. E pensar que o nintendinho tem um processador de 1.7 MHZ isso mesmo, 1.7 mhz e roda os jogos coloridos com som e tudo.
[23:14] <xGrind> shallwe, ja testou o bsnes? emulador de snes, mas é pesado
[23:14] <xGrind> snes9x e zsnes são bem mais leves
[23:15] <shallwe> xGrind: sim tem no repositório do ubuntu
[23:15] <shallwe> o zsnes
[23:15] <shallwe> eu vi que tem uma parte do código do zsnes que o cara escreveu em assembler kkk, por isso que é um dos mais leves que existe
[23:16] <shallwe> mas eu gosto é de testar mesmo, ver como anda isso de emulação no linux etc, até tenho minha coleção pessoal no hd externo, mas não é tudo
[23:16] <xGrind> esse bsnes deve ter sido em java ;D
[23:17] <shallwe> xGrind: dizem que ele foi feito pra emular perfeitamente o snes, pois os emuladores tem vários patchs para rodar mais rápido etc, esse não, esse é puro
[23:17] <shallwe> a compatibilidade aumenta astronomicamente com emulação pura
[23:19] <shallwe> uma coisa que eu sempre me pergunto, então o Gcc foi compilado em.. C? o.O
[23:20] <shallwe> é uma coisa meio doida, pq alguma parte do código deve estar escrito em assembler kkk pq não faz sentido
[23:31] <xGrind> nem sei
[23:38] <shallwe> é inacreditável e inaceitável que vc leia uma reportagem no yahoo e no final tem o vídeo, ai vc vai clicar e nada acontece pq é em flash!!! wtf is flash kkkk
[23:39] <shallwe> cara isso já era pra estar morto a decadas
[23:48] <luan> queria instalar o ubuntu em minha maquina,sera que um intel celerom dual core roda
[23:50] <shallwe> luan: olá
[23:50] <shallwe> quanto de ram?
[23:50] <shallwe> e qual marca do seu celerom saberias me dizer?
[23:53] <luan> Intel® Celeron-N2840 Dual Core com 4 GB de ram
[23:54] <shallwe> luan: vixi amigo
[23:54] <shallwe> aguenta mais que tranquilamente
[23:54] <shallwe> se você é novo no ubuntu recomendo o ubuntu 14.04.3 64bit
[23:55] <shallwe> se já tem experiencia então pode tentar o 15.10 :) mas sempre 64bit pois tens 4gb ram
[23:55] <luan> sou novo sim,pretendo instalar ele se não for dificil,se for vou levar a um tecnico
[23:55] <shallwe> luan: vc tem alguma coisa no pc como windows que não quer perder?
[23:56] <luan> o windows que ta nele não inicia mais,os arquivos eu tenho em outro lugar
[23:56] <shallwe> luan: entendi então vc quer apagar tudo que tem e instalar ubuntu?
[23:57] <luan> sim
[23:57] <shallwe> luan: então não tem erro, ubuntu.com
[23:58] <shallwe> baixa lá a iso pra desktop 14.04.3 64bit
[23:58] <luan> mais vou ter que ver uns videos pra aprender como se instalar ele certinho
[23:58] <luan> eu baixei daqui http://www.ubuntu.com/
[23:59] <shallwe> luan: sim, vc baixou qual versão?
[23:59] <luan> Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS
[23:59] <shallwe> luan: blz, a 64bit né?
[23:59] <luan> sim
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:31.136097
| 2015-11-24T00:00:00 |
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"Clima",
"Emilio_Eiji",
"Megabyte",
"MerliM",
"Philosophus",
"adrianobs",
"aedigital",
"astroo-",
"clupus",
"elisboa",
"feioso",
"foda-se",
"hggdh",
"jaqent",
"kanazuchi",
"lostipm",
"luan",
"lynxer10",
"mirqui",
"shallwe",
"ule",
"xGrind"
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"channel": "#ubuntu-br"
}
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-locoteams
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[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[08:51] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:42] <dpm> hi nhaines, around?
[20:53] <mhall119> nhaines: hey, ping me if/when you have a minute please
[22:26] <nhaines> mhall119: pong!
[22:27] <mhall119> nhaines: hey, I think we're all good now that ubucon.org is moved to the new site
[22:28] <nhaines> mhall119: I saw that. It hasn't propgated to my ISP yet, though. (Although it's fine with T-Mobile, so that's annoying.)
[22:28] <mhall119> nhaines: oh, I know what else I wanted to ask, have you setup a meetup group for California LoCo that we can use to register the UbuCon event?
[22:29] <nhaines> Nope! I almost did that this weekend but got caught up with a rush job a client wanted. I'm going to look at it now before I do the next job. :)
[22:36] <mhall119> thanks nhaines
[22:42] <nhaines> mhall119: and done! http://www.meetup.com/UbuntuCalifornia/
[22:44] <pleia2> neat, scary
[22:45] <tsimonq2> like my away message :(
[22:45] <tsimonq2> scary
[22:46] <nhaines> Maybe I should have left the hyphen in.
[22:46] <nhaines> All URLs now broken! \o/
[22:46] <nhaines> http://www.meetup.com/Ubuntu-California/
[23:01] <nhaines> mhall119: www.ubucon.org doesn't resolve. Whom do I have to poke to get a CNAME record set up for that?
[23:15] <mhall119> nhaines: richard I believe
[23:16] <mhall119> yay, our map is growing! http://www.meetup.com/pro/ubuntu/
[23:25] <nhaines> Yay!
[23:25] <nhaines> Also I think the Catalan team is registered twice, so... I think someone should look into that. :)
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:31.141047
| 2015-11-24T00:00:00 |
{
"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"czajkowski",
"dholbach",
"dpm",
"mhall119",
"nhaines",
"pleia2",
"tsimonq2"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/24/%23ubuntu-locoteams.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-locoteams"
}
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-us-nc
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[14:45] <holstein> ChinnoDog: *you* are supposed to bark.. and *im* supposed to moo..
[15:25] <kenvandine> woof
[16:14] <ChinnoDog> No one here but us chickens.
[16:14] <holstein> see.. theres the disconnect again.. clucking now ?
[16:14] <holstein> ;)
[17:48] <ChinnoDog> Did I ever mention I got a job in the linux world? I came to this channel before that happened I think.
[18:31] <kenvandine> ChinnoDog, where?
[18:32] <ChinnoDog> A big data consulting company based in Durham.
[18:33] <kenvandine> cool, i work in durham too :)
[18:33] <kenvandine> home office though
[19:01] <ChinnoDog> kenvandine: I don't work in Durham. I am remote. Too bad really. I like Durham.
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:31.142668
| 2015-11-24T00:00:00 |
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"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"ChinnoDog",
"holstein",
"kenvandine"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/24/%23ubuntu-us-nc.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-us-nc"
}
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2015-11-24-#ubuntu-desktop
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[00:28] <qengho> Zzzz
[05:05] <pitti> Good morning
[05:39] <hikiko> good morning!
[05:39] <hikiko> hi pitti :)
[05:41] <pitti> hey hikiko!
[05:41] <hikiko> how are you :)
[05:42] <pitti> quite well, thanks! how about yourself?
[05:42] <darkxst> hey pitti hikiko
[05:43] <hikiko> good :)
[05:43] <hikiko> hi darkxst
[05:43] <pitti> hey darkxst, how is it going?
[05:46] <darkxst> pitti, annoyed, every window has massive borders with new gtk+ update
[05:46] <darkxst> seems larsu caused it
[05:50] <darkxst> atleast he reverted a commit, that caused it
[05:55] <didrocks> good morning
[05:56] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[05:58] <didrocks> bonjour pitti, ça va ?
[05:59] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien, merci ! et toi ?
[05:59] <hikiko> good morning didrocks :)
[06:00] <darkxst> hey didrocks
[06:01] <didrocks> hey hikiko, darkxst!
[06:01] <didrocks> pitti: ça va aussi, mais il fait froid !
[06:02] <pitti> en effet !
[06:02] <pitti> "Winter is coming."
[06:02] <didrocks> héhé :-)
[06:02] <darkxst> summer is here ;(
[06:03] <pitti> I don't think that's a thing in GoT
[06:03] <darkxst> right, it would change the story line just a little ;)
[06:04] <darkxst> the wall would melt for one!
[06:04] <pitti> well, not that much. Instead of freezing to death they'd just boil in their armors
[06:05] <pitti> and they could have built the wall out of coconuts
[06:10] <darkxst> pitti, they wouldnt need a wall, it would end up an ocean and all the baddies would drown!
[06:10] <pitti> right after all the goodies :)
[06:11] <darkxst> depends if they can get their boats in, in time
[06:24] <darkxst> Laney, I tested your g-o-a webkit1 revert with g-c-c seems to work fine
[06:32] <darkxst> Laney, though I do wonder, can't we drop the ancient webkit2gtk build from webkitgtk source and add webkit2gtk to main? thats gotta be better than the current situation, and the transition from webkit2gtk-3.0 to -4.0 should be easy
[07:24] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[07:24] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[07:24] <didrocks> re seb128
[07:24] <seb128> hey pitti, didrocks
[07:24] <seb128> wie gehts?
[07:24] <pitti> prima, danke! und Dir?
[07:51] <seb128> gut, danke ;-)
[07:51] <seb128> (sorry didn't see the reply before)
[07:52] <darkxst> seb128, Laney, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webkitgtk/+bug/1469221/comments/10
[07:53] <seb128> darkxst, that would mean have webkitgtk webkit2gtk in main?
[07:53] <darkxst> seb128, but right now you have webkitgtk and also ancient webkit2gtk in main
[07:54] <seb128> ancient webkit2gtk?
[07:54] <darkxst> they are more or less independant builds in the old source package
[07:54] <seb128> k
[07:54] <seb128> well it's a case to argue with the security team
[07:54] <seb128> I've little say in that
[07:54] <darkxst> you will end up with 2 copies of webkit2gtk source in main
[07:54] <seb128> right
[07:54] <darkxst> but only one that builds
[07:55] <seb128> is anything currently using the -3.0 version?
[07:55] <darkxst> seb128, yes, but pretty much everything GNOME upstream supports -4.0
[07:55] <darkxst> also
[07:56] <darkxst> and 3.0 -4.0 is nothing like the hell of going webkit1 to 2
[07:56] <seb128> the question was rather "if we disable the 3.0 build without promoting webkit2gtk can we get no copy in main"?
[07:57] <darkxst> seb128, no, I think yelp and devhelp are in main?
[07:57] <darkxst> g-o-a
[07:57] <seb128> k
[07:57] <seb128> well seems like a case to argue with the security team
[07:57] <seb128> maybe comment on the open MIR about that?
[07:58] <Trevinho> Morning...
[07:58] * Trevinho has to leave for some blood tests
[07:58] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[07:58] <seb128> Trevinho, oh, nothing serious I hope! good luck
[07:59] <darkxst> seb128, like my other old bug, I couldnt find it!
[08:00] <darkxst> but I will find it and comment there as well
[08:00] <seb128> thanks
[08:00] <didrocks> good morning Trevinho!
[08:09] <larsu> bonjour!
[08:13] <didrocks> hey larsu
[08:14] <larsu> hi didrocks :)
[08:15] <darkxst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/+bug/1466290/comments/20
[08:16] <darkxst> commented there also ;)
[08:16] <seb128> larsu, salut! wie gehts?
[08:16] <darkxst> larsu, can you guard your gtk+ background revert with XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP==Unity, you broke just about every other DE with that
[08:16] <larsu> hey seb128! Great thanks! And you?
[08:16] <seb128> larsu, I'm good thanks!
[08:17] <seb128> darkxst, do you know why that same code in 3.16 was not creating those issues?
[08:17] <seb128> we might just need another revert
[08:18] <darkxst> seb128, my guess, is larsu didn't just do a clean revert
[08:18] <darkxst> there was a check againt client-decorated also before
[08:19] <darkxst> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?h=gtk-3-18&id=74f2d9448f24bbfdaf32ae6b328ed3e126700afe
[08:19] <seb128> we should maybe just add that back?
[08:19] <larsu> no, this wasn't a revert
[08:19] <larsu> putting that check back in will make the original bug come back for csd-windows
[08:20] <larsu> so we might as well remove the whole patch (which I suggest we do for now)
[08:20] <darkxst> larsu, well you have given us a much worse bug
[08:20] <larsu> darkxst: for xfce users?
[08:21] <darkxst> and I don't see how messing with background can fix frame sync issues, other than making them less ugly
[08:21] <larsu> that was the point
[08:21] <darkxst> larsu, gnome-shell, unity
[08:21] <seb128> no
[08:21] <seb128> unity is much better
[08:21] <seb128> the bg color change is really annoying and tiring for the eyes
[08:22] <larsu> darkxst: unity?
[08:22] <larsu> with adwaita, you mean?
[08:22] <darkxst> larsu, with adwaita there is a 5px margin
[08:22] <darkxst> with ubuntu themes there are still square corners on csd windows
[08:23] <seb128> right, but white ones
[08:23] <seb128> which is less noticable/ugly
[08:23] <larsu> darkxst: those square corners were there before, it's a window manager issue
[08:23] <larsu> darkxst: and don't use adwaita on unity, it's broken
[08:23] <seb128> the patch is quite an improvement under Unity
[08:23] <larsu> not saying we shouldn't revert that patch
[08:23] <darkxst> larsu, adwaita on gnome-shell has 50px margines
[08:24] <larsu> I know. You said something about unity just now
[08:24] <seb128> let's not nitpick
[08:24] <seb128> that patch has issues and they are on the list of things to look at
[08:25] <larsu> right. Don't know what the fuss is about
[08:26] <seb128> are xfce, etc implementing the framesync protocol?
[08:26] <seb128> just wondering if that's another case of GTK doing things that work only under GNOME...
[08:26] <seb128> though that probably doesn't matter much for the resolution
[08:27] <larsu> they are most certainly not
[08:28] <seb128> k, so "fix compiz" is not really a solution to this problem
[08:28] <seb128> it would just make it work for us but let it buggy for others :-/
[08:28] <larsu> indeed
[08:29] <larsu> it was my impression that this was only setting the background of the X window and gets overdrawn quickly by gtk anyway
[08:29] <larsu> not sure why this isn't happening
[08:31] <darkxst> larsu, I'm not sure it gets overdrawn, client side decorations are below the X windows
[08:32] <larsu> darkxst: hm? They're painted on X windows just like everything else...
[08:32] <darkxst> so the main content will get overdrawn, but what about the transparent areas, that make it easier to catch the edges of windows etc?
[08:33] <darkxst> although the backgrounds are bigger than even those
[08:35] <darkxst> but anyway can we just revert the patch for now
[08:36] <larsu> yes, we should
[08:39] <seb128> :-(
[08:40] <seb128> I'm unsure if we should
[08:40] <seb128> maybe having it under XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP hack?
[08:44] <larsu> please no :)
[08:44] <darkxst> seb128, that was my first suggestion, but really you havent fixed anything with that patch
[08:44] <seb128> darkxst, oh yeah we have
[08:44] <darkxst> yes, you made it less ugly?
[08:44] <seb128> I can use my computer again without having headaches
[08:45] <seb128> the constant color change is really tiring on the eyes
[08:45] <seb128> so yes, less ugly and less physically tiring
[08:45] <seb128> which is a big win
[08:46] <darkxst> sure but at a cost
[08:47] <seb128> right, but it doesn't mean the correct thing to do is to add the initial problem back
[08:47] <czajkowski> .c
[08:47] <darkxst> we never even had the flickering problem
[08:47] <seb128> it started with 3.18
[08:48] <seb128> which was not in the archive for long before we landed that patch
[08:48] <darkxst> seb128, we have been running it for months
[08:48] <seb128> "we"?
[08:48] <darkxst> on the ppa's
[08:48] <darkxst> gnome3
[08:48] <seb128> yeah, unsure how many !GNOME users use those
[08:49] <seb128> GNOME doesn't have the issue because it implements the full frame sync protocol thing
[08:49] <seb128> but any wm that doesn't have it
[08:49] <seb128> and that's most wms out of GNOME
[08:49] <darkxst> seb128, yes, not many
[08:49] <darkxst> and yes NVIDIA fixed that actually
[08:50] <seb128> I'm using intel hwd
[08:50] <seb128> can't say
[08:51] <darkxst> seb128, it wasnt a bug in their drivers
[08:52] <seb128> nvidia fixed what?
[08:52] <seb128> sorry I'm lost there
[08:52] <willcooke> didrocks, taaaa daaaa!
[08:52] <willcooke> morning all
[08:52] <seb128> hey willcooke!
[08:52] <didrocks> willcooke: better server? :p
[08:52] <darkxst> framesync issues in mutter, clutter etc
[08:52] <seb128> right
[08:53] <seb128> well, shame they didn't fix it for all the other desktops :p
[08:53] <darkxst> well the original patch came from compiz?
[08:53] <darkxst> but the followup patches, don't know
[08:56] <seb128> yeah, unsure, and there is little point arguing we should stop there
[08:56] <seb128> bottom line is that the current patch is buggy and we should fix it
[08:56] <seb128> and stock GTK has issues on !GNOME which is what we tried to address
[08:59] <larsu> morning willcooke. Welcome to freenode
[08:59] <willcooke> :)
[08:59] * didrocks feels that the "no python2" in deja-dup is some kind of cheating/twisting the reality
[09:00] <larsu> didrocks: but it runs with 3?
[09:00] <didrocks> larsu: no
[09:01] <didrocks> larsu: it just try to not install duplicity
[09:01] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, it is
[09:01] <didrocks> which makes deja-dup useless
[09:01] <didrocks> seb128: how so?
[09:01] <seb128> didrocks, it's cheating
[09:01] <didrocks> yeah
[09:01] <seb128> it means users are still going to get python2
[09:01] <didrocks> so, it doesn't run in python3
[09:01] <seb128> oh, sorry
[09:01] <didrocks> seb128: well… what I'm exactly saying :p
[09:01] <seb128> yeah, I was reply to your "* didrocks feels that the "no python2" in deja-dup is some kind of cheating/twisting the reality"
[09:02] <didrocks> ah ok ;)
[09:02] <seb128> right
[09:02] <didrocks> was puzzled for a sec
[09:02] <seb128> sorry, I see how the sequence was confusing ;-)
[09:02] <didrocks> heh, no worry!
[09:02] <larsu> didrocks: lol
[09:02] <didrocks> I'll try to describe my feeling on the MP
[09:02] <didrocks> but yeah, not installing duplicity
[09:02] <didrocks> so, installing on demand
[09:02] <didrocks> and having a useless deja-dup installed by default (as it can't do anything)
[09:03] <didrocks> it sounds to me just to tick a box for ticking it
[09:03] <didrocks> I would prefer in that case to not install it on the image
[09:03] <didrocks> or having a real fix, or having deja-dup working with something else than duplicity (so that as a default, it makes sense)
[09:04] <seb128> what is deja-dup able of doing without duplicity?
[09:04] <Laney> hey
[09:04] <didrocks> seb128: AFAIK, nothing, but I may be wrong
[09:04] <seb128> hey Laney
[09:04] <didrocks> (so yeah, if I'm wrong on that, I withdraw my whole complaint ^)
[09:04] <didrocks> complain*
[09:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:04] <seb128> didrocks, if it's nothing I think there is a case to argue that it should simply be dropped from the iso
[09:04] <didrocks> seb128: yep
[09:05] <seb128> if users need to install something they can as well install a working deja-dup from software-center
[09:05] <didrocks> well, let's see what mterry will tell on the MP, I'm writing something around those lines
[09:05] <larsu> g'day Laney
[09:05] <didrocks> seb128: better for them to install deja-dup directly
[09:05] <Laney> hey france
[09:05] <Laney> hey germany
[09:05] * larsu misses berlin
[09:05] <Laney> wait
[09:05] <seb128> larsu, where are you atm?
[09:05] <Laney> what???
[09:06] <larsu> seb128: at home
[09:06] <larsu> Laney: you ok?
[09:06] <didrocks> seb128: he claimed independence from Berlin :p
[09:06] <seb128> didrocks, you can argue that having it pre-installed with the on-demand somewhat advertize there is a recommended backup solution
[09:06] <larsu> didrocks is the only one that got it
[09:06] <Laney> larsu: sniffling but okay
[09:07] <seb128> haha
[09:07] <didrocks> seb128: agreed, but still feeling it's just about "ticking a box, no more python2, wooooowww", which is a lie in practice (as most of people will get it if we do that in multiple softwares)
[09:07] <seb128> didrocks, right
[09:07] <seb128> willcooke, do you have xenial somewhere? if so you would maybe like to have a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1515557 ?
[09:07] <seb128> there is a suggestion there
[09:07] <didrocks> yep
[09:07] <seb128> .sidebar-icon {
[09:07] <seb128> padding-left: 10px;
[09:07] <seb128> padding-right: 10px;
[09:08] <seb128> that looks like it's the correct thing to do
[09:08] <willcooke> didrocks - can I still edit the pad for Google? ^^
[09:09] <willcooke> seb128, happy to take a look, won't take long, but didrocks has prepared a list of quick and easy things for the Google code thing, this would be a good one to add to that
[09:09] <willcooke> I think
[09:10] <seb128> well, the suggestion is already in the bug so somebody already contributed
[09:10] <didrocks> willcooke: I've moved that to a google doc
[09:10] * larsu will be back in 15
[09:10] <seb128> but as you want
[09:10] <didrocks> willcooke: and I gave it to community team
[09:10] <willcooke> oki I can fix then
[09:10] <seb128> let's try to not steal credit for the current contributor though
[09:10] <didrocks> (as I put the deadline to it)
[09:10] <didrocks> willcooke: I guess we have enough tasks TBH
[09:11] <Laney> what are you talking about?
[09:11] <seb128> Laney, nautilus pading in the sidebar
[09:11] <Laney> what's that got to do with google code?
[09:11] <seb128> Laney, otherwise didrocks & willcooke about the google code-in project
[09:11] <didrocks> Laney: google code in
[09:11] <seb128> they built a list of easy things to work on
[09:12] <Laney> oh right
[09:12] <Laney> "port shotwell to webkit2"? :)
[09:12] <seb128> lol
[09:12] <willcooke> :D
[09:12] <seb128> yeah, welcome to opensource!
[09:12] <Laney> I actually think that's the only thing that is left to get wk1 off the iso
[09:12] * didrocks put Laney as a mentor for that one
[09:12] <Laney> looked last night
[09:12] <didrocks> puts*
[09:12] <Laney> assuming I worked on ubiquity... think I did...
[09:12] <seb128> software-center as well, but I guess we assume that one is going away?
[09:12] <Laney> yeah
[09:12] <Laney> well
[09:13] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/software-center/webkit2/+merge/264723 too
[09:13] <Laney> darkxst: if you're happy enough I'll upload this revert, you can argue with security if you want
[09:16] <darkxst> Laney, g-o-a? I am happy enough with that, hopefully it doesnt backfire though
[09:16] <Laney> indeed
[09:16] <Laney> this situation is annoying
[09:17] <Laney> I would have both webkits in main and be done with it :|
[09:17] <didrocks> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/udtc-trusty-tests/2349/testReport/ -> ship it! (all passing, even if public jenkins still has issue mirroring!)
[09:17] <darkxst> it was fine in my testing, and I couldn't find api breakage that would cause hell to fall in
[09:18] <Laney> cool
[09:18] <darkxst> admittedly only tested g-c-c, but not sure if anything else would stress webkit stuff more than that
[09:19] * seb128 opens datetime calendar and notice didrocks is patch piloting today then decide to let him that evolution patch backport for SRU ;-)
[09:19] * Laney loves the patch pilot police
[09:19] <didrocks> seb128: you add the patch pilot calendar to track people pilot shift? :p
[09:19] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, it's nice isn't it? :p
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, I didn't add anything, I added my canonical account
[09:19] <seb128> and datetime pick all the calendar
[09:19] <seb128> I wish I could turn that one off in fact :-/
[09:19] <didrocks> well, you added it to your canonical account :p
[09:19] <seb128> right
[09:20] <seb128> it's sometime handy
[09:20] * Laney has it in url bar
[09:20] <Laney> maybe in main calendar would be useful too ;-)
[09:20] <Laney> great idea!
[09:20] <seb128> :-)
[09:20] <didrocks> anyway, I already planned to shift it to a nice Friday pilot, want to finish some demoing (after this ubuntu make release announcement)
[09:20] <didrocks> but yeah, will do the SRU as other items in the list :p
[09:21] <didrocks> (would be cool if we could move the shift ourselves in the calendar)
[09:21] <seb128> ok, no worry
[09:22] <seb128> I can try to nag kenvandine instead, he's doing his shift today as well ;-)
[09:22] <Laney> didrocks: you can
[09:22] <Laney> I do it all the time
[09:22] <Laney> most months in fact
[09:22] <didrocks> Laney: oh really?
[09:22] <seb128> happyaron, hey, can you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~brunonova/ubuntu/trusty/ibus/lp1240198_2/+merge/278226 ?
[09:22] * didrocks tries
[09:23] <Laney> probably have to be logged in
[09:23] <seb128> btw is anybody else having all day events showing on the wrong day?
[09:23] <seb128> in indicator-datetime
[09:23] <seb128> like if I open today it lists "doko tomorrow 00:00"
[09:23] <didrocks> Laney: I have mine shifted
[09:23] <seb128> rather tha ken/didrocks today
[09:23] <didrocks> let's try to add the patch pilot calendar
[09:24] <Laney> seb128: indeed
[09:24] <didrocks> seb128: ah, so it's not indicator-datetime showing up us as piloting today :p
[09:24] <Laney> but only for gcals it seems
[09:24] <seb128> didrocks, well I opened it to see who was pilot to nag them about that evolution patch :p
[09:24] <Laney> I have some birthday calendar from Facebook maybe
[09:24] <Laney> and those are correct
[09:24] <seb128> sorry it felt on you today ;-)
[09:25] <didrocks> ah, moving worked, nice!
[09:25] <seb128> Laney, facebook has a calendar/eds integration?
[09:25] <didrocks> seeing there is mostly unactive patch piloter before Friday, I guess it's a good spot
[09:25] <seb128> didrocks, I often do that when reviewing the recent bugs activity, ping the $pilot_of_the_day
[09:25] <didrocks> (as dholbach did a lot of work yesterday)
[09:25] <seb128> yeah
[09:26] <Laney> I probably added the ical
[09:26] <seb128> there are a few desktop items in there he didn't touch though
[09:28] <darkxst> i'm going to break the calendar and do my next pilot shift on the weekend ;)
[09:28] <seb128> heh
[09:28] <Laney> we'll just leave all the hard stuff
[09:30] <Laney> didrocks: ah yes, it comes up as an invitation in my main calendar
[09:30] <Laney> and from there I can edit it
[09:34] <didrocks> Laney: btw, did you try latest master from dep11 repo? Not sure if you noticed that my patch was merged
[09:36] <Laney> didrocks: not yet, you want to pull & build/install?
[09:36] <Laney> I made it run out of the virtualenv
[09:36] <Laney> could probably automate updating it
[09:37] <didrocks> Laney: ok, let me connect
[09:39] <didrocks> Laney: 5a3a5622c87d0825cd64d50072ed3754700d99ce isn't in master?
[09:40] * didrocks was wondering why git pull wanted to merge
[09:41] <Laney> no, do pull --rebase (sorry, forgot)
[09:42] <Laney> I didn't propose that yet because not sure it actually fixes anything
[09:42] <didrocks> Laney: doing that!, got it on the reasoning :)
[09:42] * Laney tries to remember what the config is to pull --rebase by default
[09:42] <didrocks> we'll see if this fixes it for humanity, indeed
[09:43] <willcooke> urgh. seb128 - I've messed up that commit, it's got some half fixes from other theme work.
[09:43] <didrocks> Laney: oh right, we should do that, one sec
[09:43] <seb128> willcooke, uncommit and try again?
[09:43] <Laney> branch.name.rebase
[09:44] <Laney> willcooke: bzr shelve if you need to get some changes out of the way
[09:44] <Laney> then bzr unshelve to get them back later
[09:44] <didrocks> you need bzr-rewrite package (plugin) for that IIRC
[09:45] <Laney> what is that?
[09:45] <Laney> don't think so
[09:45] <didrocks> ah, it's probably only for bzr rebase then
[09:45] <didrocks> can be wrong
[09:46] <Laney> it's not doing any rewriting
[09:46] <didrocks> yeah, I still thought it was in the same plugin package though and not by default
[09:47] <didrocks> Laney: ok, built and installed
[09:47] <Laney> |O|
[09:47] <didrocks> letting you or the cronjob (if any) doing the run?
[09:47] <Laney> watch http://162.213.34.169/logs/2015/11/ at 1000
[09:48] <didrocks> oki ;)
[09:54] <Trevinho> seb128: nothing serious... Just routine checkup
[09:54] <Trevinho> it took longer than expected.. :/
[09:59] <Laney> hey Trevinho
[10:00] <Trevinho> hi Laney
[10:00] <larsu> morning Trevinho!
[10:00] <Trevinho> larsu: hi
[10:01] <Laney> what's up?
[10:01] <Laney> do you feel much lighter now that you have less blood?
[10:02] <darkxst> vampires?
[10:05] <seb128> Trevinho, k, glad you are doing well!
[10:08] <Laney> didrocks: doh ;-)
[10:10] <didrocks> Laney: yep, probably failed at something :p
[10:10] <didrocks> Laney: looking, don't worry about it
[10:10] <Laney> should probably make the rsync for logs happen even if something fails
[10:10] <Laney> not so useful to only get those if it works :P
[10:10] <didrocks> Laney: heh, indeed :p
[10:11] <didrocks> ah, you redirect stdout/stderr, that's why I wasn't seeing everything
[10:11] * didrocks looks at logs
[10:11] <Laney> tail the log file
[10:11] <Laney> dep11/logs/...
[10:11] <didrocks> yep, I'm in it
[10:11] <didrocks> and waiting for it to stop
[10:12] <didrocks> oh :p
[10:12] <didrocks> missing import
[10:13] <Laney> I just made it log straight to the public directory
[10:13] * Laney rm -r dep11/logs
[10:14] <didrocks> Laney: makes sense, removing my -x
[10:15] <didrocks> Laney: this run should be better
[10:17] <Trevinho> Laney: ah, sorry I missed your msg :P... Well I did some checkup... Nothing special (I hope :P). They didn't took too much blood to feel lighter... Maybe it would have been better :)
[10:17] <Laney> heh
[10:18] <Laney> didrocks: nice
[10:18] <Laney> doing a PR?
[10:18] <didrocks> Laney: you mean liek https://github.com/ximion/appstream-dep11/pull/3? :)
[10:18] <didrocks> like*
[10:20] <didrocks> would be nice to add to dep11 a minimal set of tests btw
[10:20] <Laney> sure would!
[10:20] <didrocks> Laney: hum http://162.213.34.169/logs/2015/11/
[10:20] <didrocks> Laney: you just move the LOGDIR, right?
[10:20] <didrocks> and didn't remove a rm I guess? :p
[10:21] <Laney> oh noes
[10:21] <Laney> what happened!!!!!
[10:21] <Laney> bet the rsync deleted it
[10:21] <didrocks> --delete-after
[10:21] <didrocks> yep
[10:22] <Laney> at least the evidence of the import sys is gone :)
[10:22] <didrocks> heh, phew :p
[10:29] <willcooke> larsu, is there an equivalent gtk2 version of the gtk3 widget factory?
[10:31] <larsu> willcooke: yes, gtk-widget-factory
[10:31] <larsu> I don't know if we install that, though
[10:32] <larsu> ah, no package :/
[10:32] <Laney> didrocks: logs should be safe now :p
[10:32] <willcooke> ah
[10:32] <willcooke> I'll use Firefox instead ;)
[10:32] <larsu> ;)
[10:33] <didrocks> Laney: phew! no more hiding :-)
[10:34] <didrocks> Laney: more seriously, don't you have too many issues reboostrapping the nodes when canonistack goes down?
[10:34] <Laney> haven't lost the instance yet
[10:34] <didrocks> (loosing the logs are not great, ok, but the rest)
[10:34] <Laney> it just gets shut down
[10:34] <didrocks> ah, and you have a shared volume?
[10:34] <didrocks> (persistent disk that you can remount)
[10:34] <Laney> for the mirror yeah
[10:34] <didrocks> yeah
[10:34] <didrocks> so ok, not that bad for now
[10:34] <Laney> going to write a charm at some point anyway
[10:35] <didrocks> you will have to :p
[10:35] <Laney> it would be mildly annoying
[10:35] <didrocks> to need multiple machines just to create one?
[10:35] <Laney> nginx config + checkout + virtualenv
[10:35] <didrocks> or something else?
[10:35] <Laney> to rebuild if it goes away
[10:40] <Laney> oh I would have to remember what all the deps are too :P
[10:41] * Laney git push git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+git/appstream-cloud
[10:41] <Laney> charm will end up there
[10:42] <didrocks> Laney: if you need any help in charming it up, I have some scares still (and so knowledge) of previous attempt… :p
[10:42] * Laney knows nothing
[10:43] <didrocks> but well, you need to describe the used config on the machine first ;)
[10:43] <Laney> was planning to copy pitti's charm
[10:43] <Laney> his is more complex though, don't need any relations here
[10:43] <pitti> my charm is unique! I don't borrow it to other people
[10:44] <didrocks> :)
[10:44] <pitti> Laney: which charm do you want to copy? want some help?
[10:44] <didrocks> Laney: maybe the ci-train one is easier?
[10:44] <Laney> pitti: not doing it right now, but thanks!
[10:44] <Laney> didrocks: maaaaybe
[10:44] <didrocks> it doesn't have relationships either, pretty single :)
[10:45] <Laney> I guess you can somehow make it depend on a cinder volume
[10:46] <Laney> so that it can re-use the mirror if it exists
[11:02] <larsu> seb128: so the best compromise I can come up with is to set the background to transparent
[11:02] <larsu> which looks odd in unity, but not as bad as the black one
[11:02] <larsu> and works in shell
[11:02] <seb128> larsu, +1 from me
[11:02] <larsu> I tried other things as well, but those require theme changes
[11:02] <larsu> and I think we want to stay minimal here
[11:02] <seb128> that would be better indeed
[11:03] <larsu> Trevinho: while working on this, I noticed that setting a background of #00000000 had no effect, while doing something like #01000000 works
[11:07] <larsu> willcooke: nice work on the theming stuff
[11:07] <seb128> I'm going to do a landing today I think
[11:07] <seb128> with the theme tweaks from willcooke
[11:08] <willcooke> The changes I made to notebook tab colours need to be ignored. I will delete them
[11:08] <willcooke> they dont work properly yet
[11:08] <willcooke> didrocks has helped me to better organise my branches now so each fix will have its own branch
[11:09] * larsu hugs didrocks
[11:10] <darkxst> willcooke, everyone should just move to git branches ;)
[11:11] <willcooke> didrocks, can I delete this one now? https://code.launchpad.net/~willcooke/ubuntu-themes/ubuntu-themes
[11:11] <willcooke> I dont want any of those changes to exist anywhere and confuse me
[11:12] <didrocks> willcooke: sure, you can :)
[11:12] * didrocks hugs larsu back
[11:21] <willcooke> larsu, are you looking at the treeview selector heights already?
[11:22] <larsu> seb128, darkxst: please give this a spin if you have some time https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gtk/black-flicker-part2/+merge/278432
[11:22] <larsu> willcooke: no
[11:22] <larsu> shall I?
[11:22] <seb128> larsu, sure
[11:22] <willcooke> larsu, lemme see if I can find how to fix it and I'll let you know
[11:25] <darkxst> larsu, I'm off to bed now, but setting background transparent does sound harmless,
[11:27] <larsu> darkxst: setting the background to the background sounds harmless as well :P
[11:27] <larsu> (which is what the other patch did)
[11:28] <darkxst> larsu, yes, will test tomorrow
[11:28] <larsu> thanks
[11:29] <seb128> willcooke, what bug is that one?
[11:30] <willcooke> seb128, well, it's getting stranger now... when you open gedit, and click open you get the tree view up instead of a file browser at the start
[11:30] <willcooke> if you type "t" in that search box you get lots of results
[11:30] <willcooke> but each entry is about 5px high and you cant read them
[11:30] <seb128> willcooke, good that I asked, I just fixed that one, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758585
[11:30] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=316154&action=diff
[11:31] <seb128> I've a package update building as we speak
[11:31] <willcooke> haa!
[11:31] <willcooke> That's how I fixed it as well
[11:31] <willcooke> :)
[11:31] <seb128> sorry ;-)
[11:31] <willcooke> but I found that when I took the padding out from the css, it stayed fixed for the whole session
[11:31] <seb128> I wonder if we should import some of the other rules in our theme
[11:31] <willcooke> seb128, no worries :) it only took me about 5 mins to work out what was going on
[11:32] <willcooke> yeah, I think that makes sense
[11:32] <seb128> they don't want to move the rules using e.g @theme_bg_color to the common css because it's not sure the theme define those colors
[11:33] <willcooke> seb128, whats your view on the "save changes before closing" dialog buttons? They look all smushed together, but perhaps they are supposed to be?
[11:33] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1513856
[11:33] <seb128> laney beat me to that one
[11:33] <seb128> but yeah, I think it looks buggy
[11:33] <seb128> unsure what we should do though
[11:33] <seb128> just theming tweaks?
[11:34] <seb128> or move back to non joined buttons?
[11:34] <willcooke> I tried themeing with padding and margins, but it doesn't work
[11:34] <willcooke> oh
[11:34] <willcooke> that reminds me
[11:35] <Laney> yes but they look normal in Adwaita, so maybe we could take some inspiration from them
[11:35] <willcooke> seb128 - how are you fixed for a trip to London on 10th Dec? Just head back from John and he is free then
[11:35] <willcooke> we could ask John Lea questions like this (^) in person
[11:36] <seb128> willcooke, wfm
[11:38] <seb128> Laney, "normal", they look different from other dialogs like the fileselector but yeah it's less buggy
[11:38] <seb128> it's just a question of whether we want things to be similar or not
[11:39] <Laney> "Linking buttons together can make it move obvious that their function is related"
[11:40] * larsu goes to lunch
[11:42] <seb128> lunch, bbiab
[11:42] <seb128> larsu, enjoy!
[11:42] <seb128> Laney, where is that quoted from?
[11:42] <Laney> gnome wiki
[11:42] <didrocks> enjoy seb128, larsu
[11:42] <seb128> thanks
[11:43] <seb128> Laney, I think they use that style in gtk fileselector etc but we patched it out
[11:43] <seb128> we should revisit what we do
[11:43] <Laney> we did for message dialogs
[11:43] <Laney> not sure where else
[12:03] <pitti> Laney: argh, lcy01 died again!?
[12:06] <Laney> pitti: seems so :(
[12:06] <Laney> https://portal.admin.canonical.com/85642
[12:06] <Laney> enabled builders 2 hours ago
[12:06] <Laney> but they are disabled
[12:07] <pitti> ah, so they are working on it
[12:07] <pitti> I am doing a manual run, and indeed it's stuck at BUILD/spawning
[12:08] <Laney> well https://launchpad.net/builders/lcy01-06/+history doesn't show that it was enabled 2h ago
[12:08] <Laney> so *shrug*
[12:10] <pitti> Laney: in better news, I now figured out queue inspection in principle
[12:10] <Laney> cool
[12:10] <pitti> currently turning it into nice HTML
[12:10] <Laney> I saw that you added the management plugin
[12:10] <Laney> this works?
[12:10] <pitti> Laney: only for the queue length, what's already exposed on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml
[12:11] <pitti> Laney: not the contents -- if you actually use the web UI and inspect the queue, it requeues stuff in a different order
[12:11] <pitti> so I need to use the normal amqp operations
[12:11] <Laney> oh right, I thought that this didn't require that plugin
[12:11] <pitti> so in the end I can probably even drop the management plugin again
[12:12] <pitti> I found that when reading all requests without acking, and then basic_reject()ing them, the queue order isn't changed
[12:12] <pitti> so the mgmt plugin does the inspection in a funny
[12:12] <pitti> ... way
[12:12] <Laney> "if you declare a queue with NO auto acknowledgements and do not ACK the messages that you receive, then you can see everything in it"
[12:13] <pitti> right (where do you read that?) -- the trick is to explicitly reject them
[12:13] <Laney> SO
[12:13] <Laney> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4700292/using-rabbitmq-is-there-a-way-to-look-at-the-queue-contents-without-a-dequeue
[12:13] <pitti> ah, there
[12:13] <pitti> ah, haven't tried cancel, but I don't want to actually do that for the status queue I'm listening to
[12:14] <pitti> anyway, in my local container debci/rabbit setup I now see stuff
[12:14] * pitti leaves HTML beautification for after lunch
[12:19] <happyaron> seb128: sure
[13:52] <Trevinho> seb128: I don't remember one thing... What was the rationale for "inode/directory=nautilus-folder-handler.desktop" ? I mean why do we need a different desktop file for opening dirs?
[14:00] <Trevinho> Ah, I guess that's for "--new-window" thing...
[14:00] <seb128> Trevinho, I don't remember the specifics, without that sometime other filemanager would open when clicking on a folder
[14:00] <seb128> but it might have been in the gnome-panel times
[14:00] <seb128> like if you had a directory on your panel
[14:01] <Trevinho> seb128: the thing is that if you now do nautilus -q; and then open it from new device/trash we get that matched to nautilus-folder-handler...
[14:01] <seb128> Trevinho, is that association creating any issue?
[14:01] <Trevinho> Because of gio telling that to us
[14:01] <Trevinho> seb128: however... that desktop file has the "NoDisplay=true" so... maybe I can filter that out...
[14:01] <seb128> is there another desktop that would be more suitable?
[14:02] <seb128> the idea was to assign nautilus
[14:02] <seb128> rather than getting the xfce file manager
[14:02] <seb128> but I don't think we picked that particular desktop for a good reason, we could probably change to whatever is right
[14:02] <seb128> or try to drop the association and see what happens
[14:02] <Trevinho> seb128: I was thinking to standard desktop file, but... that's something that might not work as per the "--new-window" option
[14:06] <Trevinho> seb128: basically the bad matching happens because org.gtk.gio.DesktopAppInfo tells us that that desktop has been launched, for that pid... So bamf overrides the matching by using it
[14:06] <Trevinho> seb128: however, I think that maybe bamf should ignore the nodisplay desktop files for such thing
[14:07] <Trevinho> we can then use then, if really we don't find anything else that matches
[14:08] <seb128> your call, you know better that matching logic than me
[14:08] <seb128> some people pointed we currently have issues with e.g gedit as well
[14:08] <seb128> since we have compat desktops now
[14:08] <seb128> like upstream renamed gedit.desktop to org.gnome.gedit.desktop
[14:09] <Trevinho> yeah... that makes matching harder, but iirc larsu added a way to get the gtk app id atom and using that, isn't it?
[15:15] <Laney> trouble in the clouds
[15:15] <Laney> launchpadlibrarian.net is broooooooookenn
[15:16] <didrocks> storms? :)
[15:16] <Laney> acid rain
[15:16] * Laney remembers about LTE
[15:17] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmo1VW_wA_o
[15:28] <mterry> didrocks, I replied to your comments on the deja-dup branch. thanks for looking at it! I would be interested to see if trunk's tests also fail for you (they did for kenvandine)
[15:29] <kenvandine> mterry, didrocks: ah ha! those are the same tests that failed for me!
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-24
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-24
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 24 15:30:42 2015 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <didrocks> mterry: let me have a look after the meeting (I only tried the tests in a sbuild), what kenvandine did I guess
[15:30] <mterry> So kenvandine isn't actually crazy ;)
[15:30] <didrocks> hey
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt, dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron (out), hikiko (out), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <andyrock> \o/
[15:31] <kenvandine> well... maybe i am
[15:31] <didrocks> mterry: that doesn't imply he isn't :p
[15:31] * mterry shuts up
[15:31] <kenvandine> but the tests really fail :)
[15:31] <Trevinho> hey
[15:31] <desrt> /o\
[15:31] <dgadomski> hey
[15:31] <desrt> (body scanner pose)
[15:31] <willcooke> :D
[15:32] <hikiko> willcooke, I was about to leave sorry! I emailed you a minute ago I hope you see it!!
[15:32] <willcooke> hikiko, got it - nw
[15:32] <hikiko> bye people!!
[15:32] <willcooke> hikiko, I can copy & paste
[15:32] <willcooke> cya hikiko
[15:32] <larsu> hey
[15:33] <willcooke> lets get started..
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:33] <andyrock> hey all
[15:33] <andyrock> I'm working on the redrawing/damaging issue with unity+nux+compiz
[15:33] <andyrock> i discovered that it's not just about the cursor
[15:34] <andyrock> but that're other cases where we basically redraw randomly
[15:34] <andyrock> like if you open once the shortcut overlay we redraw the shortcut overlay even if it's hidden
[15:34] <andyrock> that's a shame
[15:35] <andyrock> I've already a fix for that (I'll propose it later today)
[15:35] <andyrock> right now I'm working on the cursor redraw issue and more in general trying to understand what's going on when the dash and the hud are open
[15:36] <andyrock> we redraw for no reason and that's can cause slowness
[15:36] <andyrock> and also reviews
[15:36] <andyrock> \eof
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:36] <willcooke> andyrock, how are you set for a quick review tomorrow at 10am UTC?
[15:37] <andyrock> I've class but should not be a problem
[15:37] <seb128> andyrock, nice to see work on those redraw issue!
[15:37] <willcooke> andyrock thanks
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:37] <andyrock> seb128 I can't promise to fix them all but I'll try :D
[15:38] <attente> hi guys
[15:38] <attente> debugged/fixed some broken maliit-framework tests
[15:38] <attente> suppress some unused parameter warnings in gdbus-codegen output, filed upstream
[15:38] <attente> packaged maliit-framework and maliit-inputcontext-gtk (<- needs sponsoring), fixed up packaging branch which was out-of-date
[15:38] <attente> want to move QT_IM_MODULE out of livecd-rootfs and into somewhere else, but not really sure where it should go to have it set under u8
[15:38] <attente> updated java non-latin shortcuts ppa for bug #1226962, might try to merge it despite it not being perfect
[15:38] <attente> starting working on gtk single-surface
[15:38] <attente> (eof)
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:39] <willcooke> good comments on that bug, looks great
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:40] <desrt> hi
[15:40] <desrt> continue work on inotify stuff, looks pretty good now
[15:40] <desrt> helping xclaesse with the dconf confinement stuff
[15:40] <desrt> bugs/reviews
[15:40] <desrt> and starting on a glib release for today
[15:40] <desrt> eof
[15:40] <willcooke> good stuff, thanks desrt
[15:40] <seb128> \o/
[15:40] <xclaesse> :)
[15:40] <seb128> it means we are going to stop receiving reports about that nautilus/trash segfault
[15:41] <desrt> hi xclaesse :)
[15:41] * seb128 just commented on yet another report
[15:41] <desrt> there's a nautilus/trash segfault again? :(
[15:41] <desrt> can you link me?
[15:41] <seb128> the one I sent a patch for
[15:41] <desrt> probably we want to fix this in stable and not have to wait for unstable
[15:41] <seb128> you didn't do a release since
[15:41] <desrt> oh
[15:41] <desrt> about the release
[15:41] <desrt> gotcha :)
[15:41] <seb128> yeah
[15:41] <seb128> :-)
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:42] <dgadomski> hey, unfortunately I haven't done much in the desktop area this week
[15:42] <dgadomski> * fix for bug #1510824 accepted upstream, released to Xenial, debdiffs for SRUs are prepared and attached
[15:42] <dgadomski> and that would be all, thanks
[15:42] <seb128> dgadomski, I saw your polkit patch got merged, good work ;-)
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski!
[15:42] <dgadomski> thanks seb128 :)
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:43] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:43] <didrocks> - Reviewed and merged CLion work by a new contributor \o/
[15:43] <didrocks> - Added medium and large tests to it
[15:43] <didrocks> - Cut the large tests time by half while adding even more tests \o/ (jenkins + tests enhancements)
[15:43] <didrocks> - Move build dependencies only needed for tests to another ppa (ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu-make-builddeps) and add it in jenkins tests. This way, people using Ubuntu Make on older release are not impacted by the need of newer version of tests frameworks like pexpect and won't install them. Hook that ppa in Travis CI, our jenkins infra and refresh contributor intro to ask adding that ppa for testing.
[15:43] <didrocks> - Add ZSH completion
[15:43] <didrocks> - Fight some jenkins specific + proxy issues while learning more about some os.environ black magic (thanks pitti, even some python god I knew weren't aware about that :p)
[15:43] <didrocks> - Fix Visual Studio Code which changed its icon path (detected through our testsuite)
[15:43] <didrocks> - Misc fixes and enhancements for i18n, test standardization and jenkins branch build support (mostly described in https://github.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-make/commit/1469477890a10eba2b17d74d461c22567c24838c and incoming blog post)
[15:43] <didrocks> Misc:
[15:43] <didrocks> - Help Laney on and appstream-dep11 fixing some issues when running in virtualenv
[15:43] <didrocks> - MIR ptyprocess to unblock pexpect 4.0 (which was build-dep wait)
[15:43] <didrocks> - Small britney wording consistency work )<-- this extra parenthesis is dedicated to Laney <3
[15:43] <didrocks> - Worked and gather topics and bug reports for Google Code-in students.
[15:43] <didrocks> .
[15:43] <willcooke> another new contributor :D
[15:44] <willcooke> thanks for you work on the Code In project too
[15:44] <didrocks> yep \o/
[15:44] <didrocks> yw
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:44] <FJKong> hi
[15:44] <FJKong> not much to update:
[15:44] <FJKong> 2 days sick leave;
[15:44] <FJKong> sogou IM bug fixing:
[15:44] <FJKong> * hot key problem report by users, fixed
[15:44] <FJKong> * inputing window abnormal when typing : working in progress
[15:44] <FJKong> eof
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:45] <willcooke> 1. Finished my zfs-linux packages, uploaded to Debian.
[15:45] <willcooke> 2. Explore about basics of snappy Ubuntu
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:45] <willcooke> I am working on the shadows (and basically I messed up a few things And I am now trying to fix the mess... :D) EOF
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic laney
[15:45] <Laney> • Short week + slightly sick week
[15:45] <Laney> • liburcu transition, some random source fixes for this (forwarded + corresponded with maintainers)
[15:45] <Laney> • finish up britney branch after feedback, got that merged
[15:45] <Laney> • some of my Debian merges (lintian, bzr, dbus, vorbis-tools)
[15:45] <Laney> • some other updates (gnome-online-accounts + patch to revert wk2 -> wk1, gvfs)
[15:45] <Laney> • appstream: work with didrocks on getting this to work from a git checkout in virtualenv, running from there now - next: work on charm
[15:45] <Laney> • just found a packet of biscuits (crunch creams)
[15:46] <Laney> • dmb meeting and some chivvying to look at things there
[15:46] <Laney> • fix an oops where we accidentally removed overlay-scrollbar schemas from the default install
[15:46] <Laney> ⁂
[15:46] <larsu> biscuits \o/
[15:46] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:46] * willcooke is reminded there is an email to ev in drafts that he needs to finish
[15:46] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:46] <larsu> random bugs again this week
[15:47] <larsu> - a recent i-sound fix on the phone broke notify osd on the desktoip
[15:47] <larsu> - logging in has a race with xsettings (didn't fix this but spent some time on it)
[15:48] <larsu> - last patch to remove the black flickering broke shadows on gnome shell
[15:48] <larsu> - nautilus menubar (coming seb128, sorry)
[15:48] <seb128> \o/
[15:48] <larsu> (this is annoying as I can't simply backport stuff)
[15:48] <larsu> err... I think there's more
[15:48] <larsu> ah right, the gnome-logs guy asked me to help out with automatically updating the ui when new log messages come in
[15:49] <seb128> what's the xsetting thing about?
[15:49] <larsu> and some internal gdbus issues
[15:49] <larsu> seb128: don't get correct font size when logging in, sometimes
[15:49] <larsu> really annoying
[15:49] <seb128> hum, k
[15:49] <seb128> I never noticed
[15:49] <larsu> I've had it a couple of times now, but not every time
[15:49] <larsu> couldn't find anything that could be causing this though :(
[15:50] <seb128> :-(
[15:50] <seb128> and speaking about gnome-logs ... we said we wanted to install it by default right?
[15:50] <larsu> yes
[15:50] <larsu> I have that on my todo for a but later but helped out since I was pinged anyway
[15:50] <seb128> great
[15:50] <larsu> I think it's </larsu>
[15:51] <seb128> we should stop bothering you with bugs and have a look to gnome-logs and geonames
[15:51] <larsu> :)
[15:51] <seb128> before eoy, so we get new components in
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:51] <seb128> then we can go back to bugs
[15:51] <larsu> seb128: makes sense. lts and all
[15:51] <seb128> right
[15:51] <willcooke> yeah, good plan
[15:51] <Laney> well I tried assigning them instead of pinging ;-)
[15:51] <seb128> willcooke, sorry for interrupting with questions and comment
[15:51] <willcooke> :) no worries, good time to comment I think
[15:52] <seb128> Laney, yeah, that's probably smarter ;-)
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:52] <qengho> * found bug that makes new chromium complain. proposed xdg-utils update that fixes it. gave chromium to #security to upload.
[15:52] <qengho> * working on chromium/ozone/mir this week.
[15:52] <qengho> * require more information about Laney's crunch creams. furiously envious.
[15:52] <qengho> * updating snappy packager scripts.
[15:52] <qengho> EOF
[15:52] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:53] <willcooke> did you get to the bottom of why hyperlinks from other apps are broken? Is that the xdg-utils thing?
[15:53] <qengho> willcooke: right. xdg-mime bug.
[15:53] <willcooke> cool
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:53] <seb128> kenvandine is patch piloting today so maybe he can review xdg-utils merge/update
[15:54] <seb128> otherwise didrocks has a shift on friday
[15:54] <seb128> oh
[15:54] <seb128> hey ;-)
[15:54] <seb128> • debugged u-s-d segfault due to a gsettings schemas key dropped from g-s-d
[15:54] <seb128> • uploaded gnome-control-center move of user icons data to u-c-c, allowing demoting the source to universe
[15:54] <seb128> • fixed small gedit document title regression
[15:54] <seb128> • looked at some langpack translations regression on the ota8 touch candidate
[15:54] <seb128> • discussed indicator-sound/notify-osd regression, helped to test and land the fix from Lars (thanks!)
[15:54] <seb128> • reported some bugs+code changes to make some phone dialogs more consistent
[15:54] <seb128> • libmobiledevice transition
[15:54] <seb128> • looked at the vino update, decided there was too much to revert (they dropped the standalone dialogs) and that it was easier to keep ours and backport some bugfixes, did that
[15:54] <seb128> • spending a bit of time every day to review/triage incoming bugs/errors and help with ongoing britney issues and transitions
[15:54] <seb128> • looked at/fixed some gedit theming issues (just got a patch commited upstream)
[15:54] <seb128> • continued a bit on the nautilus 3.18 update, not an easy update and still quite some work needed
[15:54] <seb128> • spend some time looking at if backporting the upstream g-s-d wacom work to u-s-d was possible, it's a bit work and unsure it's worth the effort
[15:54] <seb128> • started backporting new g-s-d upstream "tz plugin" to u-s-d (to update your tz/notify you that you are in a different tz when travelling), I think I got the changes right but I'm unsure how to test and if we want it (note that it also means installing the new geoclue service)
[15:54] <seb128> (sorry, busy week ;-)
[15:55] <willcooke> thanks serb
[15:55] <willcooke> oops
[15:55] <willcooke> seb128,
[15:55] <seb128> yw!
[15:55] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1
[15:57] <seb128> did I disconnect?
[15:57] <attente> i'm wondering too
[15:57] <willcooke> dont think so, just waiting
[15:57] <seb128> k
[15:57] <seb128> no Sweet5hark1 it seems...
[15:57] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - ippusbxd: Further testing to try to solve the problem with the HP DeskJet Ink Advantage 2540, ending up with some improvements but without the solution of the problem.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - HPLIP: Packaged and uploaded 3.15.11.
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - Ghostscript: Checked status of MIRs for syncing with Debian: openjpeg still missing (but now chances are higher that it gets into Main as Poppler needs it, too).
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - Set up a Xenial virtual machine (Used "devel" as distro name in sources.list to automatically always use current devel branch).
[15:58] <seb128> somebody should offer Sweet5hark1 an alarm reminder device
[15:58] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:58] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:59] <willcooke> tkamppeter, saw your mail re: print dialogues - will follow up with Prod Man to get it scheduled
[15:59] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:59] <Trevinho> · Improved bamf upstart support
[15:59] <Trevinho> · made spread for application windows dynamic (it updates on new windows, or title changes when using filtering)
[15:59] <Trevinho> · Meeting with Kylin guys (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu Kylin/Meeting/2015/20151119)
[15:59] <Trevinho> · Added quicklist to expo launcher icon to switch workspaces.
[15:59] <Trevinho> · Making BAMF not to give priority to launched NoDisplay .desktop files (fixes nautilus being confused)
[15:59] <Trevinho> · Working in better launcher-filemanager integration, by allowing management of Trash/Devices independently.
[15:59] <Trevinho>
[15:59] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:59] <tkamppeter> willcooke, OK, thanks.
[16:00] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[16:00] <willcooke> No update this week, but I spoke to him earlier this week
[16:00] <willcooke> He's working on GNOME software
[16:01] <willcooke> we have a list of people to speak to, but so far so good
[16:01] <willcooke> non-root REST api over UNIX socket should be landing in Snappy soon
[16:01] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[16:02] <Laney> yeah
[16:02] <Laney> should look at the calendar thing
[16:02] <attente> seb128: what are those wacom changes in upstream g-s-d? are they fixing a crash?
[16:02] <seb128> Laney, yeah, did you try it?
[16:02] <seb128> i've that on my list but didn't do it yet :-/
[16:02] <Laney> no but could do
[16:03] <seb128> could be useful to have feedback from several people on the interactions
[16:03] <seb128> I'm going to look at the e-d-s integration bit
[16:03] <seb128> we need that for our $solution
[16:03] <seb128> willcooke, did you try/look at both?
[16:03] <Laney> you mean the thunderbird one?
[16:04] <willcooke> seb128, I haven't looked at either
[16:04] * willcooke adds it to his list
[16:04] * didrocks just tried it
[16:04] <didrocks> remember that I added some easy task for google-code-in
[16:05] <didrocks> don't jump on them before we are sure nobody will work on it :)
[16:05] <seb128> Laney, yes
[16:05] <didrocks> (like changing default color, and so on)
[16:05] <seb128> right
[16:05] <Laney> where is this list?
[16:05] <seb128> didrocks, "it" was the GNOME or the tb one? or both?
[16:05] <didrocks> GNOME
[16:05] <didrocks> if the calendar thing is that one :)
[16:06] <didrocks> Laney: uno momento
[16:06] <didrocks> Laney: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rww6mkoQhhuijQx4yBHzMngM3HABeFx4tS7mLs2kMIA/edit#heading=h.e2psrcqwe9c2
[16:08] * willcooke is summoned elsewhere
[16:08] <Laney> hmm
[16:08] <Laney> are these tasks agreed?
[16:08] <willcooke> I'm end the meeting, we can carry on calendar discussions in a mo.
[16:08] <willcooke> and Google Code In
[16:08] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 24 16:08:43 2015 UTC.
[16:08] <meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-11-24-15.30.moin.txt
[16:08] <seb128> attente, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-settings-daemon/+bug/1277733 is the wacom thing
[16:09] <seb128> attente, see bug description
[16:09] <Laney> like maybe we like headerbars now and do we want to add a patch to change the default colour that will be carried forever?
[16:09] <attente> seb128: thanks
[16:09] <seb128> attente, yw
[16:09] <Laney> perhaps that can be in the theme
[16:09] <Laney> or somewhere else
[16:09] <seb128> attente, do you have a wacom device? or were just asking?
[16:09] <attente> seb128: actually i found last week that plugging in a wacom tablet ends up restarting u-s-d repeatedly
[16:09] <didrocks> Laney: I made the list reviewed by seb128 and willcooke to have another opinion
[16:10] <seb128> attente, oh :-/
[16:10] <attente> so i thought maybe there were fixes upstream
[16:10] <didrocks> Laney: I still think we should have an ubuntu feeling to gnome calendar
[16:10] <didrocks> not have an application looking out of place (and so, use the ubuntu default theme color)
[16:10] <seb128> attente, do you still have access to the tablet? I might ask you to test my backport branch once it's done
[16:10] <seb128> didrocks, +1
[16:10] <attente> seb128: yep, i have it
[16:10] <seb128> attente, great, thanks
[16:10] <Laney> I'm saying that it is in sync
[16:10] <Laney> and it would be good to keep it so
[16:10] <attente> i whip it out on the odd occasion i have to play pictionary online :)
[16:11] <Laney> you will get a patch to change the default colour in the source
[16:11] <seb128> Laney, colors can probably be tweaked from the css nowadays no?
[16:11] <Laney> maybe
[16:11] <didrocks> I guess otherwise it's a bug in upstream's code
[16:11] <didrocks> that we should fix :)
[16:12] <Laney> /* FIXME: We should handle calendars colours better */
[16:12] <Laney> if (!gdk_rgba_parse (out_color, e_source_selectable_get_color (extension)))
[16:12] <Laney> gdk_rgba_parse (out_color, "#becedd"); /* calendar default colour */
[16:12] <Laney> I bet you get a patch to change that
[16:12] <Laney> unless the task is specified
[16:13] <seb128> well, we are the ones talking to the students so we can iterate if needed
[16:13] <seb128> but yeah better to specify in front where we can
[16:13] <Laney> don't feel like I'm getting much traction
[16:13] <Laney> lets move on
[16:14] <seb128> I think we all prefer non-downstream-patching solutions if we can get that yes
[16:14] <seb128> if that's what you were getting at
[16:17] <Laney> It's not very likely that the code in student is going to end up maintaining gnome calendar for us
[16:17] <Laney> so the burden of maintaining the work in the long term falls on us if the patch is in Ubuntu only
[16:18] <seb128> yeah, I doubt the intend was to have a code patch in Ubuntu
[16:18] <seb128> the goal is to have the theme tweaked to have the app look better
[16:18] <seb128> if it's not as easy as theme tweaks it might be off scope for the code-in
[16:18] <seb128> those are for young students and supposed to be easy
[16:19] <seb128> we just didn't know that those parts were not css themable
[16:19] <seb128> though some of the other UI bits might still be?
[16:21] <Laney> ok, I guess each one should be in a bug report in the end
[16:21] <Laney> which describes the required solution
[16:23] <seb128> +1
[16:23] <didrocks> sounds like Laney wants to open bug report
[16:24] <didrocks> (which won't be use in the google code-in format description, as it will be filed on google's website)
[16:25] <Laney> it doesn't really sound like that
[16:25] <Laney> but it's not going to be good if people write code that gets rejected
[16:25] <Laney> you can't give links?
[16:26] <didrocks> Laney: you can I guess, unsure, I was just asked to gather a list. All other tasks that the community team gather don't have bug reports associated
[16:27] <didrocks> maybe check with them? They are the ones handling this, I don't have access to the backend
[16:30] <Laney> looks like you get free text
[16:30] <Laney> and people submit their stuff on the website directly
[16:35] <mterry> didrocks, kenvandine: yay! Using an sbuild, I can reproduce the failures. Oddly, I don't get them locally, in a pbuilder, or in a PPA. But sbuild hits it. So at least I see the same thing you do
[16:35] * mterry will work on a fix
[16:35] <didrocks> mterry: weird that sbuild != PPA for once and closer to pbuilder :p
[16:35] <kenvandine> i had the failures without sbuild too
[16:35] <didrocks> mterry: but yeah for reproducing!
[16:36] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah I can't explain that :)
[16:36] <kenvandine> sbuild for wily and vivid and locally on vivid
[16:36] <kenvandine> on both of my boxes
[16:36] <mterry> kenvandine, but at least now I see the same symptom
[16:36] <kenvandine> weird
[16:36] <kenvandine> anyway, glad you reproduced it
[16:38] * Sweet5hark1 just woke up again -- should have accepted sick leave for today.
[16:44] <willcooke> Sweet5hark1, no worries, get better
[16:45] <Sweet5hark1> willcooke: Ill do my best.
[17:07] <xclaesse> desrt, got a minute for your advice on the 3 FIXME in my settings backend?
[17:07] * didrocks waves good evening and good night
[17:07] <Laney> night didrocks
[17:07] <ricotz> pitti, hmm, xdiagnose pulls python3.4 again
[17:07] <didrocks> see you tomorrow Laney!
[17:07] <seb128> night didrocks
[17:07] <didrocks> and seb128 :p
[17:07] <xclaesse> didrocks, fait de beaux rêves ;-)
[17:07] <seb128> ;-)
[17:07] <didrocks> xclaesse: héhé, merci, toi aussi !
[17:08] <xclaesse> 12h ici ;-)
[17:10] <pitti> ricotz: the rebuild? I just dropped a no-op option from debian/rules
[17:12] <ricotz> pitti, yes, 3.8.2
[17:12] <ricotz> before it properly depended python3.5
[17:19] <kenvandine> qengho, hey i was sponsoring your xdg-utils patch
[17:19] <pitti> ricotz: hm, odd; do you know if that changed in python-defaults or so? I can't see what in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/227445991/xdiagnose_3.8.1build1_3.8.2.diff.gz woudl have caused that
[17:19] <kenvandine> but the debdiff didn't apply cleanly, since there had been another xenial upload
[17:19] <kenvandine> i cleaned that up so the debdiff applied
[17:19] <kenvandine> but one of the patches doesn't apply
[17:19] <kenvandine> debian/patches/handle-multiple-exec-lines.patch
[17:20] <kenvandine> qengho, ^^
[17:20] <ricotz> pitti, yeah, it is clearly caused by the toolchain itself then, I would assume doko might have an idea
[17:21] * Laney gets juju working
[17:21] * Laney server dude now
[17:22] <seb128> Laney, you are a charming guy! ;-)
[17:25] <seb128> willcooke, ok, so I did https://git.gnome.org/browse/gedit/commit/?id=9da514288905d5b8013ddd0f2e1bdd29aded61a5 which is what upstream agreed to move in the common section
[17:26] <seb128> willcooke, do you want maybe to have a look at https://git.gnome.org/browse/gedit/plain/gedit/resources/css/gedit.adwaita.css and see what we should move to our gedit.css in our themes?
[17:26] <willcooke> seb128, looking...
[17:26] <seb128> willcooke, we already have some of the bits
[17:26] <willcooke> I'll copy it over and try it out...
[17:27] <seb128> willcooke, the sidepane close buttons (if you have documents open/the document section selected) look a bit nicer I think
[17:27] <seb128> like they are less big square blocks
[17:27] <seb128> also we should take the
[17:27] <seb128> GeditStatusbar {
[17:27] <seb128> border-top: 1px solid @borders;
[17:27] <seb128> it makes a line displayed between the textview and the statusbar
[17:27] <seb128> willcooke, thanks
[17:28] <seb128> willcooke, I'm going to do a theme landing with the pending fix tomorrow or the day after that
[17:28] <willcooke> seb128, ack
[17:28] <seb128> *fixes even
[17:28] <qengho> kenvandine: some patch with "|sed" earlier doesn't handle .desktop files with many Exec lines well. My path there is an attempt to make sure that the bug doesn't show up again. It's not important for anything other than keeping future versions from being buggy.
[17:29] <qengho> kenvandine: thank you for looking.
[17:29] <kenvandine> qengho, that patch was sponsored by mterry since your debdiff was created
[17:30] <desrt> xclaesse: sorry. was eating lunch. happy to help now.
[17:30] <kenvandine> qengho, anyway, i'm done piloting i need to get back to other things now
[17:30] <kenvandine> sorry i couldn't get it uplaoded
[17:30] <kenvandine> uploaded
[17:30] <xclaesse> desrt, np, was going for lunch now ;-)
[17:31] <xclaesse> desrt, btw, what TZ are you?
[17:31] <desrt> k. hit me up when you get back
[17:31] <desrt> EST
[17:31] <desrt> 12:30 here
[17:31] <qengho> kenvandine: the only patch that's important is the one that makes mime defaults update .config location, not only .local/share/applications/ .
[17:31] <xclaesse> ah, same here, Montréal :)
[17:31] <qengho> kenvandine: ah. Dang.
[17:31] <desrt> ← toronto
[17:31] <qengho> kenvandine: okay.
[17:31] <willcooke> seb128, are you getting any double-click / single-click oddness, especially in gedit in the normal file open window?
[17:32] <willcooke> seb128, like, *sometimes* a single click opens a folder, and sometimes its a double click
[17:32] <seb128> willcooke, yes, it's quite annoying, I was just being grumpy here about that
[17:32] <willcooke> :) glad it's not just me
[17:32] <seb128> I do open -> other documents and want to select files and I'm used to double click to open and single click around
[17:32] <willcooke> I'm trying to work out the best way to recreate
[17:32] <seb128> and single click validates things now
[17:33] <seb128> bah
[17:33] <willcooke> I think we need to keep that behaviour as it used to be
[17:33] <seb128> it seems they screwed up the delay
[17:33] <seb128> like if you single click a folder
[17:33] <seb128> then single click again it takes it as a double click
[17:33] <seb128> or it opens selected folders on single click
[17:33] <seb128> either way confusing
[17:33] <Laney> it's always the selected file
[17:34] <Laney> I think
[17:34] <seb128> always the selected file that what?
[17:34] <Laney> that opens with a single click...
[17:34] <seb128> right, I wonder if that's wanted
[17:34] <seb128> it's confusing
[17:35] <seb128> the change is wanted
[17:36] <seb128> the side effect is a bug which got fixed with https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=c619c862503ccf54c9afbdb0708a3376ce1728fb
[17:36] <Laney> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/gtk/gtkfilechooserwidget.c?h=gtk-3-18&id=fb0a13b7f070a14312dafa1e4df6ba03cf33be01
[17:36] <seb128> which is actually the bit that annoys me
[17:36] <seb128> when you double click the folder it opens on first click then open a file in it with the second
[17:36] <Laney> nod
[17:37] * seb128 asks if they can backport that fix to 3.18
[17:37] <Laney> it is
[17:37] <seb128> hum
[17:37] <seb128> it should be in .5
[17:38] <seb128> doesn't work though :-/
[17:39] * seb128 comments on the bug
[17:40] <seb128> I'm also not convinced by the behaviour, would be curious to know mpt's/design opinion on that
[17:40] <seb128> it makes the UI feels unreliable, it behaves differently in different situations and it's not obvious why
[17:41] <seb128> but I guess the goal was for touch and the patch was supposed to make it no do that for mouse events?
[17:41] <willcooke> with a mouse it just feels plain broken. I dont think we can expect users to learn a new way of doing things at this point.
[17:42] <willcooke> we should start a list of things to talk to John about on 10 Dec, seb128 can we wait that long?
[17:42] <mpt> “make our own double-click determination”? That sounds like fun
[17:42] <seb128> willcooke, we sure can
[17:44] <Laney> talk to mclasen?
[17:45] <seb128> I commented on the bug
[17:45] <seb128> waiting to see what pbor says
[17:45] <seb128> his commit feels like "shouldn't do that for mouses"
[17:45] <seb128> since he wrote to ignore button 2/3 events
[17:46] <Laney> that's not the same as willcooke was talking about with "plain broken" and not learning a new thing
[17:47] <Laney> that is a judgement on the entire feature
[17:47] <seb128> well my understanding is that the feature is meant for touch
[17:47] <seb128> e.g finger use
[17:47] <seb128> willcooke's point is probably for mouse users
[17:47] <willcooke> indeed
[17:48] <Laney> you didn't say that in your comment
[17:48] <seb128> need to go for a bit but I can comment a bit more/ask pbor directly later on IRC
[17:48] <Laney> it's a mclasen feature, he was just fixing a bit of it
[17:49] <seb128> right, well if pbor's fix does what I understand it should do then I don't think we have an issue
[17:49] <seb128> otherwise we need to ask mclasen
[17:49] <seb128> bbiab
[17:50] <Laney> not if you hate the entire single click feature
[17:50] <seb128> shrug
[17:50] <seb128> I hate it for mouses
[17:50] <seb128> not for touch
[17:50] <Laney> then you need to speak to him
[17:50] <seb128> ok, need to go
[17:50] <seb128> oh, right
[17:50] <seb128> I understand what you mean
[17:50] <Laney> not trying to be difficult, I just don't think that fix is meant to turn it off for mice
[17:50] <seb128> right, it's going to make the file not open
[17:50] <seb128> but selected instead?
[17:51] <seb128> but yeah, good point
[17:51] <Laney> it's probably meant to fix accidental double clicks or something
[17:51] <seb128> I'm going to report a new bug/talk to mclasen I guess
[17:51] <Laney> but still single clicking on a selected item is meant to open it
[17:51] <seb128> right
[17:51] <seb128> sorry for being slow to get what you meant
[17:51] <seb128> going to file a bug later
[17:51] <seb128> need to go for now ;-)
[17:51] <Laney> ok!
[17:51] <Laney> laters
[17:52] <willcooke> cheers Laney
[17:57] * Laney gives up on juju + lxd
[17:57] * Laney tries the canonistack instead
[18:23] <Laney> http://10.55.60.153/
[18:23] <Laney> 'mazin
[18:26] <seb128> Laney, not loading from here ... is that a public ip?
[18:27] <seb128> willcooke, btw about that single/double click, we might want to talk to design before reporting upstream, would be better to have a bug with some contructive input/design recommendation
[18:27] <seb128> rather than just "it sucks, was better beforfe"
[18:28] <willcooke> :)
[18:28] <willcooke> good plan
[18:37] <mterry> kenvandine, didrocks: fixed deja-dup tests in sbuild (kenvandine, the issue I found was around HOMEs that didn't exist -- I still don't know why it was failing for you)
[19:07] <willcooke> DAMN IT GEEEEEDDIITTTTTTTTT
[19:07] <willcooke> keeps crashing and loosing my in-line style in the selector
[19:07] * willcooke has got wise to it now
[19:08] <willcooke> I've been saving a text file with every change I make
[19:08] <willcooke> but yeah, gedit is super crashy for me
[19:09] <jpds> willcooke: apt-get install vim
[19:11] <willcooke> :D
[19:32] <attente> ugh... i disabled maliit, and now i can't adb into the device because the screen is locked and i need maliit to unlock it
[19:32] <willcooke> wakka wakka wakka
[19:33] <attente> lol
[19:33] <willcooke> I can't think of a hacky work around, but popey might know. he's good at that sort of thing
[19:34] <attente> is it possible to use a hardware keyboard? i don't actually have one lying around though
[19:34] <willcooke> dunno, I think otg is enabled now
[19:35] <willcooke> ogra_ might know as well ^
[19:35] <attente> i wonder if sshd is running on this thing
[19:35] <willcooke> only if you enabled it I think
[19:46] <Sweet5hark1> good news: at least build-arch finishes with 5.1.0~alpha/xenial
[19:47] <willcooke> \o/
[19:48] <willcooke> other good news, my css selectors are working at last :)
[19:49] <seb128> willcooke, report the crash if you can get a backtrace
[19:49] <willcooke> seb128, will do, once I've got these gedit theming sorted
[19:49] <willcooke> I'm on a roll :)
[19:49] <seb128> let me know tomorrow morning if you need help to get the bt
[19:49] <willcooke> thx seb128
[19:50] <seb128> np!
[19:50] <seb128> on that calling it a day
[19:50] <seb128> have a good evening everyone
[19:50] <willcooke> cya seb128
[20:46] <willcooke> hi robert_ancell
[20:46] <willcooke> bye robert_ancell
[20:47] <robert_ancell> willcooke, heh
[20:47] <willcooke> I'm admitting defeat with these themes for the day and going to watch tv before it's 11pm again
[20:47] <willcooke> ah crap
[20:47] <willcooke> I still haven;t sent that follow up to ev - will do tomorrow
[20:47] <willcooke> g'night!
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[15:33] <krytarik> knome, slickymaster: As I indicated earlier, you'll have to adapt the docs' translation settings to the new path and template name of the user docs now: https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/xenial/+lang/pt
[15:37] <krytarik> Or that might work automatically: https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/+imports
[15:38] <krytarik> Well, part of it at least.
[15:39] <flocculant> knome: further to earlier discussion - moved links from qa page, added a note linking to references page. If we don't want to do that let me know and I'll delete the proposal
[15:42] <slickymasterWork> I just approved those in the import queue krytarik
[15:43] <flocculant> hi slickymasterWork
[15:43] <slickymasterWork> hi flocculant
[15:50] <krytarik> slickymasterWork: Change it here, then import the new .pot?: https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/xenial/+pots/desktop-guide/+edit
[16:11] <slickymasterWork> krytarik, not quite sure I understand what you want
[16:13] <slickymasterWork> do you want me to replace the translation domain and the path of the template in the source tree?
[16:14] <sidi> you guys using the Default xfwm theme, right?
[16:14] <sidi> from 14.04 to 15.10
[16:14] <krytarik> slickymasterWork: There is no 'desktop-guide' translation template anymore now, it's now 'user-docs'.
[16:15] <slickymasterWork> I know that, krytarik
[16:15] <slickymasterWork> that's not what I'm asking
[16:15] <slickymasterWork> what I'm asking is the actual fields you want edited´
[16:16] <krytarik> slickymasterWork: s/desktop-guide/user-docs/g, basically.
[16:17] <flocculant> libgoa being installed because fuse changes it seems
[16:18] <slickymasterWork> in "Template name:", "Translation domain:" and "Path of the template in the source tree, including filename.:"
[16:20] <krytarik> slickymasterWork: Yes.
[16:22] <slickymasterWork> imported krytarik
[16:22] <slickymasterWork> well, sort of
[16:22] <slickymasterWork> it's approved and will be imported as soon as the LP hamsters feel like it
[16:23] <krytarik> lol
[16:27] <flocculant> oh - what bizarre reason is it that makes the links title not show in the contents in that ^^ which turned up at a really opportune time :D
[16:49] <krytarik> flocculant: Because you made it a sub-section of 'Launchpad'. :D
[17:07] <flocculant> krytarik: thanks :D
[17:08] <flocculant> I got splinters there ...
[18:58] <pleia2> knome: meetings are too early for me to make it to these days, so should find time to chat about offer I got back from gandi
[19:40] <knome> pleia2, i'm around
[19:41] <pleia2> so, gandi can give us some free credits, and a good discount on buying more, but as I played with server options it doesn't really get us anything better than just paying for a cheap linode
[19:42] <knome> yeah...
[19:42] <knome> i wonder if canonical has any preference over hosting providers for stuff they pay
[19:42] <pleia2> do they pay for anything?
[19:42] <pleia2> they have datacenter space, I assumed they just put everything there
[19:43] <knome> i know i read something about them wanting to use provider/shop X when using the community fund
[19:43] <knome> there's at least some QA effort going where they want non-canonical server space
[19:43] <pleia2> digital ocean has been popular with people lately (Unit193 mentioned them)
[19:43] <knome> balloons could maybe give some insight on this
[19:43] <knome> he might've mentioned that kubuntu did something non-canonical too
[19:44] <knome> but i don't remember the details, or much else
[19:44] <pleia2> shall I follow up with him?
[19:45] <knome> i'll ask him to join us here
[19:46] <knome> invited in PM
[19:46] <pleia2> k
[19:46] <pleia2> and I'll start spreading the social media word about our Testing session this weekend
[19:47] <knome> mmh
[19:54] * balloons pops in
[19:54] <knome> pleia2, ping
[19:54] <pleia2> o/ balloons
[19:55] <pleia2> balloons: we're looking at options for some hosting that we'd likely request community donations funds for
[19:55] <pleia2> balloons: happen to know what other folks doing simliar things have done? what providers they're using?
[19:56] <pleia2> I use linode for ubuntu-us.org
[19:56] <knome> balloons, iirc, you talked something about kubuntu earlier (i might misremember) and i know people are working with the community jenkins stuff
[19:57] <balloons> right. We'd scoped out things like ec2 in the past, and kubuntu has had there ec2 usage reimbursed in a similar manner
[19:57] <knome> their
[19:57] * knome hides
[19:58] <balloons> for hosting, I'd recommend picking a host and pricing out a longer term contract to request funds for. Don't do it on a monthly or bi-monthly basis, as it will make your lives harder imho
[19:58] <knome> yep...
[19:59] * pleia2 nods
[19:59] <balloons> there isn't a requirement you choose a specific host, or any other hoops. It's no different than any other request. However, if you are trying to ask for funds for a supercomputer to run a website, I don't see that getting accepted :p
[19:59] <pleia2> hehe
[19:59] <knome> WHAT?
[20:00] <knome> but my php code is very unoptimized it'll surely need a supercomputer :P
[20:00] <balloons> I realize it seems unfair, but bitcoin mining (even for the project) probably wouldn't fly
[20:00] <knome> lol
[20:00] <balloons> I've seen your php knome, don't worry. Special compensation can be arranged for that
[20:00] <balloons> we've learned to adapt for you
[20:01] <knome> hahah
[20:01] <knome> good ;)
[20:01] <knome> what about setting up a openttd server for community games, would that get through? :P
[20:01] <balloons> so yea, I look forward to seeing a request
[20:02] <balloons> quite possibly. We ran a tf2 server I think for a short time during the steam on linux launch
[20:04] <pleia2> knome: I'm inclined to just do a Linode 2G, I'm familiar with the company and they've always treated me well, their prices are competitive and their service is solid (I irc from a linode)
[20:04] <pleia2> that's $240/yr
[20:07] <flocculant> evening all
[20:08] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks for the pings out :)
[20:59] <flocculant> knome: just a thought - is there any reason why we don't have recent blog stuff on the front page?
[20:59] <flocculant> other than that's what we do ofc
[21:03] <pleia2> 11:20:49 < knome> and yeah, we need the blog entries on the front page sooner or later
[21:03] <pleia2> 11:20:53 < knome> it's really hidden now
[21:03] <pleia2> ^^ yesterday :)
[21:04] <flocculant> ha ha
[21:04] <flocculant> pleia2: that'll be me really reading the backlog then :p
[21:04] <pleia2> :D
[21:05] <flocculant> I was just sat here staring into space through our front page - then started thinking - never a good sigh
[21:05] <flocculant> or sign
[21:16] <balloons> bah, I closed this tab on accident. Anyways, while some of you are still around, I need to give my GCI speil!
[21:16] <balloons> Is there any interest within xubuntu to put up some tasks for Google Code In? I'm not sure if Jose has formally asked yet or not, so I'll mention it
[21:20] <flocculant> balloons: no-one's asked us
[21:26] <balloons> ok, I can craft up an email now and formally do so. That said, I think it would be a nice idea. Tasks can fall under things like documentation and promotion as well -- it never hurts to have more of those
[22:14] <knome> pleia2, as i said, that works for me
[22:15] <knome> pleia2, i mean as i said, all providers work for me, implying linode works for me :P
[22:15] * pleia2 nods
[22:16] <knome> pleia2, tell me how you want to go forward with it
[22:16] <knome> especially if you want help...
[22:17] <pleia2> I can probably just do it
[22:17] <pleia2> submit funding request, set up linode, distribute access
[22:18] <knome> yep
[22:18] <knome> works for me very well as well, thanks
[22:18] <pleia2> do we need to vote or something? :)
[22:18] <knome> (but feel free to ask for help)
[22:18] <knome> well
[22:18] <knome> we're not using xubuntu funds
[22:18] <knome> so i don't see a reason why
[22:18] <pleia2> wfm
[22:18] <knome> also, the stuff we are setting up are stuff that we are using already
[22:18] <knome> so i don't think we need to discuss if they are useful or not :P
[22:19] <pleia2> :)
[22:19] <knome> a quick workaround for the website frontpage is up
[22:25] <pleia2> funding request submitted
[22:25] <pleia2> knome: ah, cool
[22:27] <knome> \o/
[22:36] <knome> pleia2, just a theoretical question; how do you think a 2G linode would work with the stuff we are about to push there and the wordpress website?
[22:37] <pleia2> knome: it would be fine, but I'd rather have canonical be the owners of our website, they are better equipped to handle attacks, outages, etc (I'm just one person with a real job and things)
[22:37] <knome> yes, i was just thinking
[22:37] <pleia2> no more thinking
[22:37] <knome> for potential changes in the future :P
[22:37] <knome> lol
[22:37] <pleia2> :D
[22:37] * knome turns the brain off and goes work on the website updates then
[22:38] <knome> alalalalalalalalalalalal
[22:38] <pleia2> haha
[23:03] <knome> krytarik, the tracker code is on launchpad... you can create an MP and we can argument there instead of either of these channels ;)
[23:04] <bluesabre> evening all
[23:04] <knome> krytarik, but of course i'm just kidding...
[23:04] <knome> hello bluesabre
[23:04] <bluesabre> howdy knome
[23:04] <knome> pleia2, you still around?
[23:04] <pleia2> mhmm
[23:04] <knome> ok, so you all, but especially pleia2:
[23:04] <knome> see the staging site
[23:04] <Unit193> bluesabre: /laslog balloons
[23:05] <knome> and the third widget area
[23:05] <knome> that starts with the marketing blog article
[23:05] <knome> the question:
[23:05] <knome> do we want to do it in this order, where the "more articles" section is at the end, or move it as the first item?
[23:06] <knome> first would make more sense with mobile devices
[23:06] <pleia2> which one is the third? :)
[23:06] <knome> 01:05 knome: that starts with the marketing blog article
[23:06] <knome> eg. the second white-white bg one
[23:06] <knome> or the one before the footer
[23:06] <pleia2> oh ok
[23:07] <pleia2> it look good as it is
[23:07] <knome> but would you be opposed of the other order?
[23:07] <knome> let me show that to you...
[23:07] <knome> refresh
[23:07] <pleia2> it might be a bit odd to have "more articles" before we show them any articles.. reading left to right
[23:07] <knome> (and now it's second/last widget area, as it would be in the website)
[23:07] <knome> well of course we'd change the title
[23:08] <knome> "The Xubuntu team blog"
[23:08] <pleia2> nah, the other way is better :)
[23:08] <knome> or sth
[23:08] <knome> ok
[23:08] <Unit193> "The Xubuntu blog team" ?
[23:08] <knome> Unit193, that too.
[23:08] <pleia2> no, not that
[23:08] <knome> i'll keep on breaking the staging site then.
[23:08] <pleia2> k
[23:08] <knome> hoping to get this done on this sitting
[23:10] <bluesabre> Unit193: re Google Code In?
[23:10] <knome> pleia2, another question: do we expect to only want to drag articles from one category ("Articles") or do we want multiple choice?
[23:11] <pleia2> I don't know
[23:11] <knome> hah
[23:11] <pleia2> probably just articles?
[23:11] <knome> mhm
[23:11] <knome> also, subcategories for articles is ok
[23:11] <pleia2> yeah
[23:12] <pleia2> we want everything we publish to make it on the front page at some point
[23:12] <knome> oh?
[23:12] <pleia2> whether it's release news or articles
[23:12] <knome> ok, so no category filter then
[23:12] <knome> ...right?
[23:12] <pleia2> well, we don't want a release announcement showing up twice
[23:12] * knome facepalms
[23:13] <pleia2> everything we publish should either end up where it is now on the site, or down in articles
[23:13] <knome> ok
[23:13] <knome> so basically what the marketing lead wanta
[23:13] <knome> *wants
[23:13] <knome> is
[23:13] <knome> we put everything that we want to show up in the new widget area in one category
[23:13] <pleia2> impossible \o/
[23:13] <knome> and then we only show that category
[23:14] <pleia2> yeah
[23:14] <knome> note: an article can be in several categories
[23:14] <pleia2> so I think that only excludes release announcements
[23:14] <knome> yeah, so there's some work to be done
[23:14] <knome> let me try to break something.
[23:15] <pleia2> enjoy
[23:15] <knome> this is always fun
[23:15] <knome> oh yeah, fun
[23:15] <knome> so
[23:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: Yeah.
[23:15] <knome> pleia2, so to confirm: we're fine with limiting to one category (and all its subcategories) ?
[23:16] <bluesabre> Unit193: alrighty, I'll see if I can get some ideas together
[23:16] <pleia2> knome: sure
[23:16] <knome> great
[23:16] <knome> let's see if i'll enable selecting multiple anyway, but good to know we (i) have that fallback
[23:20] <pleia2> I guess having the release announcements show up isn't the end of the world, they rotate out quickly enough
[23:20] <knome> well
[23:20] <knome> i'd prefer a situation where we don't have to publish new articles to "push out" the release announcements
[23:20] <knome> it's simple enough to add the limitation in some form anyway
[23:20] <knome> just wanted to know how we want to filter
[23:21] * pleia2 nods
[23:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: Figured that'd be the most interest to you.
[23:29] <knome> bluesabre, did i already tell you parole needs to show the filename on the main window when playing an audio file?
[23:30] <bluesabre> knome: yes you did
[23:30] <bluesabre> knome: maybe I'll fix that tonight :)
[23:31] <knome> :)
[23:38] <knome> pleia2, do we want to start being obsessed on button alignment to bottom of the widget box?
[23:39] <pleia2> knome: I don't think so
[23:40] <pleia2> but you haven't seen my desk
[23:40] <pleia2> chaos
[23:40] <knome> lol
[23:40] <knome> ..you haven't seen my desk
[23:40] <knome> actually my desk is so small that i simply don't have space for chaos
[23:40] <knome> things fall off if i have chaos
[23:42] <pleia2> hehe
[23:54] <knome> oh sigh
[23:54] <knome> x.x
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[11:22] <Rob__> HELP! hallo, ik heb Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS net op een Lenovo ThinkPad T410s geinstalleerd, booten gaat 'om en om', een keer goed (naar het keuze menu), andere keer niets (blijft hangen in zwart scherm, moet ik handmatig de laptop 'uit' forceren), wat is hier mogelijk aan de hand en hoe los ik 't op?
[11:28] <dick_> look for help to startup Ubuntu in Virtual Box under windows 7 64bits
[11:30] <dick_> als ik opstart krijg in waarschuwing This kernel req an X86-64 CPU but only detects a i686 CPU
[11:33] <khildin_> dick_, is dat in een VM in virtualbox?
[11:33] <dick_> ja inderdaad
[11:33] <khildin_> https://askubuntu.com/questions/553469/this-kernel-requires-an-x86-64-cpu-but-only-detected-an-i686-cpu
[11:33] <khildin_> heb je die al bekeken?
[11:34] <khildin_> instellignen in vbox even aanpassen
[11:34] <dick_> nee,zal ik doen
[11:34] <khildin_> was overigens de eerste hit in G..... :-/
[11:39] <Rob__> HELP! hallo, ik heb Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS net vers op een Lenovo ThinkPad T410s geïnstalleerd, dus er is geen enkel ander OS aanwezig, booten gaat 'om en om', een keer goed (naar het keuze menu), andere keer niets (blijft hangen in zwart scherm, dan moet ik handmatig de laptop 'uit' forceren en weer opnieuw opstarten, erg vervelend en vooral inefficiënt!), wat is hier mogelijk aan de hand en hoe los ik 't op?
[11:48] <dick_> vraag waar kan ik TPE vinden bij de instellingen van VBOX
[11:49] <lordievader> TPE?
[11:49] <dick_> trusted platform excecution
[11:51] <lordievader> Als ik [1] lees zou ik denken dat VB het niet ondersteund, maargoed het is wel een topic uit 2007. [1] https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15229
[11:53] <dick_> ja kreeg eerder een verwijzing bij probleem kernel requires X86 -64 proc but detects i686 CPU
[11:54] <dick_> antwoord daarop TPE uitzetten bij instellingen Vbox
[11:54] <dick_> maar zie deze i
[11:55] <lordievader> Hmm, staat Vt-d en Vt-x (of de AMD counterpart) aan?
[11:55] <lordievader> Ik neem aan dat je wel een 64bit cpu hebt?
[11:55] <dick_> jazeker
[11:56] <lordievader> Voor beide vragen?
[12:00] <dick_> de proc instellingen zijn niet aan te passen
[12:01] <dick_> heb vbox opnieuw opgestart maar blijft zo
[12:04] <lordievader> Ik zou eens gaan kijken of de virtualisatie opties voor je cpu aan staan.
[12:06] <dick_> VT-d staat aan
[12:06] <lordievader> Hmm...
[12:06] <lordievader> Andere iso proberen?
[12:08] <dick_> Heb ik gedaan 32 bits maar dan krijg ik een bericht kernel panic
[12:09] <lordievader> Hmm.. dat klinkt niet goed. Welk hostos gebruik je?
[12:11] <dick_> deze kreeg ik eerder :https://askubuntu.com/questions/553469/this-kernel-requires-an-x86-64-cpu-but-only-detected-an-i686-cpu
[12:12] <dick_> Hierin wordt trusted platform excecution uitzetten als oorzaak genoemd
[12:12] <dick_> maar waar kan ik die vinden ??
[12:14] <dick_> host is windows 7 64bits
[12:14] <dick_> op asus K53E laptop
[12:15] <lordievader> Ze linken daar naar [1], een soort gelijk iets is niet voor jou toepasbaar? [1] http://lifeofageekadmin.com/enable-virtualization-on-dell-optiplex-755-to-run-oracle-virtualbox-4/
[12:17] <dick_> Ok bedankt ! ga ik proberen !QUIT
[12:47] <Rob__> HELP! hallo, ik heb Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS net vers op een Lenovo ThinkPad T410s geïnstalleerd, dus er is geen enkel ander OS aanwezig, booten gaat 'om en om', een keer goed (naar het keuze menu), andere keer niets (blijft hangen in zwart scherm, dan moet ik handmatig de laptop 'uit' forceren en weer opnieuw opstarten, erg vervelend en vooral inefficiënt!), wat is hier mogelijk aan de hand en hoe los ik 't op?
[17:18] <nvidea> hallo
[17:19] <Guest22657> hoe kan ik beeldscherm dedecteren
[17:19] <Guest22657> ik zie het wel op de tv maar xbmc zie ik voor de helft
[17:19] <Guest22657> krijg het niet goed
[17:40] <dick_> help gevraagd voor probleem met Ubuntu in VBOX onder windows 7 64 bits
[17:43] <dick_> gaat fout na USB reset,Software reset,USB operationeel,USB suspended
[17:43] <dick_> geeft dan disk write errors DMA acces
[17:45] <SCHAAP137> dick_: wat voer je precies uit en waar zie je de fout verschijnen?
[17:45] <SCHAAP137> en welke foutmelding krijg je exact?
[17:46] <SCHAAP137> 't is uit jouw omschrijving nog niet duidelijk waar de fout zich afspeelt
[17:47] <dick_> ik wil Ubuntu opstarten in Vbox zie het Ubuntu logo verschijnen gedurende
[17:47] <dick_> 1 a 2 min
[17:48] <dick_> daarna de foutmeding in het logwindow
[17:49] <SCHAAP137> het logwindow waarvan? Vbox?
[17:49] <dick_> start hem op via met Lili USB creator gemaakte USB stick
[17:49] <SCHAAP137> wat is de exacte tekst vd foutmelding?
[17:49] <dick_> 00:00:22.535022 PIIX3 ATA: LUN#0: disk write error (rc=VERR_ACCESS_DENIED iSector=0x1fe966 cSectors=0x8)
[17:50] <dick_> komt uit het logwindow
[17:51] <dick_> van VBOX
[17:51] <SCHAAP137> ok, lijkt een foutmelding uit Virtualbox zelf
[17:51] <SCHAAP137> heb je je PC herstart na de Vbox installatie?
[17:52] <dick_> ja heb ik
[17:52] <SCHAAP137> er is iig een probleem met het schrijven naar de virtuele harddisk file
[17:52] <SCHAAP137> dus is geen Ubuntu probleem, is een vbox en/of Windows probleem
[17:53] <SCHAAP137> permissie/rechten issue op de (locatie van de) harddisk file
[17:54] <dick_> virtuele harddisk is dat niet binnen de VBOX dan
[17:54] <SCHAAP137> ja, virtualbox mag niet schrijven naar die file, kennelijk
[17:55] <SCHAAP137> kan om verschillende redenen zijn
[17:55] <dick_> de grote van dat geheugen kan ik toch opgeven ?
[17:56] <dick_> bij het maken van de USB stick
[17:56] <SCHAAP137> kan ook zijn dat de USB stick verkeerd gemaakt is
[17:56] <SCHAAP137> dat 'ie tijdens het opstarten iets wilt wegschrijven naar die stick, wat niet lukt
[17:56] <SCHAAP137> waarom gebruik je een USB stick trouwens, als je Vbox doet? Is toch makkelijker om gewoon de ISO te laden als virtuele CD?
[17:57] <SCHAAP137> is niet nodig om een fysieke USB stick te gebruiken, in die situatie
[17:58] <dick_> virtuele CD begrijp ik eerlijk gezegd niet zo
[17:58] <SCHAAP137> het ISO bestand van die Ubuntu installatie
[17:58] <SCHAAP137> die kun je inladen in het CD-ROM device van Virtualbox, in die VM
[17:58] <SCHAAP137> en dan daarvanaf de VM opstarten
[17:59] <dick_> OK bedankt, ga ik proberen ! de USB was ook mogelijkheid die aangegeven was op de website
[18:00] <SCHAAP137> klopt, USB kan ook, maar als je 't virtueel wilt draaien, is er geen reden om een fysieke USB bootdisk te maken
[18:00] <SCHAAP137> immers kun je de ISO file direct gebruiken
[18:00] <SCHAAP137> moet lukken
[18:01] <SCHAAP137> volgens mij kan VirtualBox pas schrijven naar USB wanneer de guest tools geïnstalleerd zijn
[18:01] <dick_> ja ik begrijp het. Als dit lukt wil ik daarna laptop booten met Ubuntu !
[18:01] <SCHAAP137> als je een niet-virtuele installatie wilt doen, dan zul je die stick wel weer nodig hebben
[18:01] <SCHAAP137> dus bewaar 'm voor dat moment, zou ik zeggen
[18:02] <dick_> nogmaals dank en quit
[18:03] <SCHAAP137> cool, succes en graag gedaan
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