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[00:01] <TJ-> No, 44.1khz stereo samples 88.2K samples per second, usually 16-bit, for 176.4Kbytes/second
[00:02] <TJ-> For broadcast it's a bit different, FM stereo analogue broadcasts L+R and L-R
[00:04] <TJ-> L+R means you can do mono fallback without loss of content, L-R means you can then do (L+R)+(L-R)=2L (the left signal) and (L+R)-(L-R)=2R, the right signal
[00:05] <TJ-> L-R is simply broadcast at 38kHz, above the audio range, with the L+R in the normal audiable range
[00:06] <daftykins> that's joint-stereo and full stereo right?
[00:06] <daftykins> or is it not called that in FM o0
[00:09] <TJ-> no, 'joint-stereo' is the concept in compressed signals of encoding the shared signal only once
[00:10] <TJ-> FM stereo is 'matrix-stero' (mid-sideband stereo)
[00:11] <TJ-> I developed the 'joint-stereo' algorithms in the 1980s without realizing it was particularly special, so the MP3 folks at Fraunhoffer got to name it ! I called it de-duplication
[00:12] <daftykins> :D wowzer, so were you working for them at the time?
[00:12] <TJ-> No, I had no idea they even existed, I was well before MP2/MP3 were born.
[00:14] <daftykins> i feel i'm in the presence of an audio engineering rockstar now :)
[00:14] <TJ-> I started out writing games engines, focusing on sound, with a school-friend partner. He focused on the graphics side. We had a customer wanted to store a lot of sampled audio, and compression was the only solution. I began researching it and at the time interpolation was about the state-of-the-art, so I went off and developed a compression system that typically achieved 50:1 with music, and higher
[00:14] <TJ-> with less dynamically diverse sources, and then patented and licenced it to various companies: games, engineering, telecommuncations, computing
[00:15] <TJ-> This was in the days of the Commodore Amiga, Atari 520 ST, Spectrum, BBC Micro, et al
[00:15] <TJ-> Our engine was cross-platform, written in assembler, and games companies licenced it from us and put their games on top. Think 'API/framework' in modern parlance
[00:16] <daftykins> :D
[00:16] <daftykins> hmm probably too early for me then to have heard if it had a name
[00:19] <TJ-> Well, I called it asterix, but it was never a consumer thing, it was used in the internals of larger systems. The biggest users back then were telecoms companies wanting to multiplex voice circuits that had been switching to digital.
[00:20] <TJ-> instead of installing more cable/fibre between PoPs they could put some hardware on either end of the link and typically put 100 voice calls down the same link that 1 had required previously
[00:21] <daftykins> crikey
[00:21] <daftykins> sounds like that took off in a big way :>
[00:22] <TJ-> the most enjoyable implementations were for digital jukeboxes, when hard disks started replacing CDs, and when a 320MB SCSI drive back then was full-height and about £1200, so compressing the music saved a massive amount
[00:23] <TJ-> I used to test using Madonna's track 'Like a Virgin' and I got to the point I feel sick whenever I hear it now :)
[00:24] <TJ-> I seem to have a knack for getting deep into the guts of technology :)
[00:25] <daftykins> :D
[00:25] <daftykins> mmm Madonna overdose
[00:36] <daftykins> well that's fascinating stuff TJ-
[00:37] <daftykins> i shall have to remember you in all topics audio ;)
[00:37] <daftykins> right i think it's time for that early bed
[00:37] <daftykins> g'night all o/
[00:37] <TJ-> g'night, me too I think
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[03:51] <OerHeks> hi lotus
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> hey OerHeks :p
[03:55] <TJ-> morning ... again!
[03:55] <OerHeks> again and again and again ..
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> loool
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> you cant just get rid of me
[03:56] <OerHeks> That lotuspsychje is a nightowl too
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> ooo oooo
[03:56] <lotuspsychje> ooo11OO111OO1 a digital nightowl
[03:57] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: Your KV8 manual, BIOS reference, page 3-13 LDT & PCI Bus Control, may have a setting that is causing the issue with the WMP600N. See http://data.manualslib.com/pdf3/61/6019/601840-abit/kv8max3.pdf?17bb938c96dcf6a267078151fc0fa9ab
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[03:58] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I'd suggest doing a BIOS factory default reset once again, then looking at those settings, take a photo as they are by default so I can see, then try altering them and testing
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah ill do cmos and battery takeout
[03:59] <TJ-> Also, the interupts are shared over the various devices/PCI sockets. Page 3-19 onwards shows the settings and there's a table on page 3-20
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> i tryed many things already,minimal defaults, optimized,all pci settings change
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> but it would make most sense its a mobo issue
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> but why ubuntu sees it as a wrong device puzzles me lol
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> one would think, you can see the card or totaly not
[04:03] <TJ-> It could be a timing issue, and that LDT stuff affects that
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i have all ltd/pci settings default as the manual right now
[04:03] <TJ-> PCI1/PCI2 Master 0 WS Write especially
[04:04] <TJ-> When that is enabled writes are performed with 0 wait-states. Set it to Disabled and 1 wait state is inserted. That might help
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> ill try to fool around with it
[04:05] <TJ-> the other possiblity is, the slot the WMP600N is in is using the same resources as the AGP card, or a system device
[04:06] <TJ-> So the table on 3-20 would help figure out a slot config that avoids any posible conflict
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: there must be something, as the card worked like a charm before
[04:09] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: right, and the fact we know the card's PCI config space contains the correct values but when the kernel scans the bus it gets that first byte corrupted, says there's a hardware/timing issuing
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[04:11] <TJ-> It could be the card not mapping its config registers into memory fast enough for the system even. Does the PC have any clock controls so you could reduce the Front-Side Bus MHz as a test?
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: got a reply on my bug from dev to test another specific kernel bah, not gonan try it
[04:11] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: don't blame you; a lot of that stuff is automated, or done without actually reading the bug report
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yes its got in-bios overclocking
[04:11] <TJ-> try slowing it down
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> ok
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> lets get this puzzle straight soon :p
[04:14] <TJ-> it's like being sherlock holmes sometimes
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> lol
[04:15] <TJ-> After you've eliminated all the other possibilities, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, is the answer
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i love systematic thinking :p
[04:16] <TJ-> Well, it beats the heck out of reinstalling :)
[04:17] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: my xenial just keep rocknrolling for now on it :p
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> lol: https://omnirat.eu/
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> i wonder if clamav picks it already
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> http://clamav-du.securesites.net/cgi-bin/clamgrok?virus=omni&search-type=contains&case-sensitivity=No&database=daily&database=main&display=database&display=virus&.submit=Query+verzenden&.cgifields=database&.cgifields=search-type&.cgifields=case-sensitivity&.cgifields=display
[07:38] <wileee> main channel needs a check if your medicated at the door
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> wileee: 1800 users though :p
[09:38] <wileee> yeah, darn lurkers
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[09:39] <wileee> you forget they are there
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> idling support
[09:39] <wileee> true
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> wileee: the new omnirat that can take linux: https://omnirat.eu/
[09:41] <wileee> heh, do it all while on the beach, this happened to all the pro studio musicians when digital hit
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> wileee: scanned clamav database already and showing omni
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> http://clamav-du.securesites.net/cgi-bin/
[09:45] <wileee> music though it has made a lot of people able to be creative in a simpler process so in the end is good, strange being a trained player though when you meet these folk and hey are really interesting without the standard path followed. Always been these players self taught anyway.
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[09:52] <wileee> here is a local group, one member played in a total improv group I was in self taught and probably the most creative person I've worked with, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iUMSQnHUM
[09:52] <wileee> these guys are really out there
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[09:54] <wileee> beautiful noize
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> wileee: what genre is this called
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> never heard something like that b4
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> oh..experimental noise
[09:56] <wileee> lotuspsychje, Not sure there is a genre really, many do this though in some form or another, the detune of the pitch sounds to me like some composers who went beyond 12 tones, ex noise yeah sound good
[09:57] <wileee> They did an album with some others I know in honor of Joseph Campbel after his passing.
[09:58] <wileee> a person I know new him
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> wileee: like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38r6SYN8kLg
[10:04] <wileee> lotuspsychje, Sure, lots of variations to some extent, my guys rarely as smegma do a beat, however here are some of them as another group. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X3YUW2ztf4
[10:04] * lotuspsychje likes crazy stylez
[10:04] <wileee> I like it your link
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> lol thats very experimental
[10:06] <wileee> I played in a jazz quartet with the trumpet player called Years of Sweat
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> i like the first noise better
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> wileee: wich instrument you play?
[10:06] <wileee> tenor sax, flute, clarinet, other saxesand fretless bass
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> nice
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> wileee: trumpet myself and groovebox 505 used to
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> i kind like digital music
[10:07] <wileee> Cool, have you heard of Dave Monet's trumpets?
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> no
[10:08] <wileee> http://www.monette.net/ this will blow your mind
[10:09] <wileee> I knew Dave in high school he was a instrument repairman at a music store I was the janitor at
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> nice
[10:10] <wileee> I feel really lucky I've lived an interesting life without even trying, probably many feel that way I guess
[10:13] <wileee> happened on linux just needing a computer for college, and now I'm here harassing users, it's a beautiful dream. ;)
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> :p
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> few users complained about slow apt-get update today USA
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> and new security hole out for all ubuntu versions see !usn
[11:48] <cfhowlett> !usn
[11:49] <lotuspsychje> the article about it: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/canonical-patches-linux-kernel-vulnerability-in-ubuntu-15-10-15-04-14-04-and-12-04-lts-495939.shtml
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:58] <lotuspsychje> hey BluesKaj and EriC^^
[12:58] <EriC^^> hey lotuspsychje
[13:03] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje
[13:13] <BluesKaj> back on Trusty . Tired of small unreadable fonts on plasma5. Setting the fonts on systemsettings5 as root only works on titlebars , not the toolbars or dialogs on apps requiring root like partition editors etc ....it's a real pita
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> :p
[13:14] <BluesKaj> posting this in #kubuntu-devel as well
[13:17] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: i bought a samsung :P
[13:17] <EriC^^> couldn't find lg with the right stand to be honest though :D
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: wich 1?
[13:17] <EriC^^> it's 1366x768, couldn't find 1920x1080 in 32" size
[13:17] <EriC^^> said none of the suppliers are giving them that
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: nice and happy with quality?
[13:18] <EriC^^> yeah it's nice
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: try a 1080p mkv on it :p
[13:19] <EriC^^> that's not a bad idea
[13:19] <EriC^^> i want to get a hdmi cable today and maybe dvd player
[13:19] <EriC^^> and some usbs and stuff
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> quality of the tv will show best on bluray quality
[13:20] <EriC^^> there's a guy here that sells dvd's for like $1 / movie
[13:20] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:20] <EriC^^> if there's a nice bluray movie i might get one ( i can play it on the ps3 right? )
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: not sure of ps3 dont have one myself
[13:22] <EriC^^> np
[13:22] <EriC^^> how to put on a usb maybe ill try a bit
[13:22] <EriC^^> pretty bored
[13:22] <EriC^^> fat32 and put the movie on it and just plug it in the tv?
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> ntfs for 4gig+ files
[13:22] * EriC^^ goes to get the usb from the car
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> like if you grab a 9gig mkv
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> it will need ntfs or ext4
[13:27] <EriC^^> mp4 works?
[13:28] <EriC^^> crap usb wont fit
[13:28] <EriC^^> it's 1gb
[13:28] <EriC^^> i'e a 16gb one but it has archlinux on it :/
[13:28] <EriC^^> *i've
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> oh
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: brrip is nice but also 1gig+
[13:29] <EriC^^> i put some scenes from matrix on the usb
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> if its 1080p even a trailer :p
[13:30] <EriC^^> i'll give it a shot to see, if it works, i think ill put on the arch i have it imaged anyways
[13:30] <EriC^^> brb
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> http://www.h264info.com/clips.html
[13:39] <EriC^^> it works!
[13:39] <EriC^^> i wonder if i can just use the external usb drive
[13:40] <EriC^^> just had that idea about to format the other usb
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yes, but not for subtitles
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: it will play most formats raw
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: unless the subs are builtin
[14:50] <Latrodectus> lotuspsychje: how's your day been going?
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> Latrodectus: fine mate
[14:52] <Latrodectus> that's good
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> how about you Latrodectus
[14:52] <Latrodectus> good so far
[14:53] <Latrodectus> nothing to gripe about
[14:53] <Latrodectus> yet...
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> new security holes out for ubuntu versions
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> !usn
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> and some users have been complaining about US sources slow apt-get update
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> its been slow in #ubuntu today, no other news :p
[14:55] <Latrodectus> lotuspsychje: ty for the update
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> np
[14:56] <Latrodectus> of cource the us sources are slow... murrican internet
[14:56] <Latrodectus> murrican internet -> anything but free
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> :p
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> oh well there is #ubuntu-mirrors for known issues
[14:57] <Latrodectus> yup
[14:57] <Latrodectus> there should almost be a torrent dir for updates
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> that would be alot of work
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> but nice idea
[14:58] <Latrodectus> it would scale with demand
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> true
[14:58] <Latrodectus> but then security would be in the hands or p2p
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks helps seeding torrents i think
[14:58] <Latrodectus> oerheks?
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> yeah check the userlist names
[15:00] <daftykins> afternoon o/
[15:00] <OerHeks> Torrents are safe, you can check the md5sum.
[15:00] <daftykins> hmm sneaky TVs: http://arstechnica.co.uk/security/2015/11/own-a-vizio-smart-tv-its-watching-you/
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins !
[15:00] <OerHeks> and yes, i seed them, but today the average download is low
[15:00] <Latrodectus> OerHeks: but some users don't know how to check hashes...
[15:01] <OerHeks> !md5sum
[15:01] <OerHeks> !hashes
[15:02] <OerHeks> i see this page is up2date, but the picture says 9.04 .. pretty outdated https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BitTorrent
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: cool page
[15:07] <Latrodectus> ^
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: good evening mate
[15:33] * TJ- waves the solder
[15:35] <TJ-> I think I've got one of those Abit KV8 mobos in my stores somewhere; I'm going to look, if so, I can test the same scenario as you have
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ill test it out soon tnx
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> bbl loggin on xenial box
[15:52] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: and the mystery continues lol
[15:53] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: cmos clear and battery out did nothing
[15:53] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: pci/ltd bios options all on default
[15:54] <daftykins> no updates for your board available i take it?
[15:54] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: not sure, but it worked on trusty thats whats weird right
[15:54] <TJ-> And the mobos in my store aren't precisely the same
[15:55] <daftykins> oh yeah
[15:55] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: OK, so we now know it has default settings. Now try altering those LDT settings. First one was to change the Master WS Write to Disabled
[15:55] <lotus|xenial> ok lemme go try that
[15:55] <lotus|xenial> brb
[15:55] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: Oh, and make sure that the WMP600N is actually in PCI1 or PCI2 port
[15:56] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: the first or seconf ontop right
[15:56] <lotus|xenial> or bottom?
[15:56] <TJ-> I think PC1 is nearest the AGP slot, let me check
[15:56] <lotus|xenial> i cant use pci1 as the x800 is a big card
[15:56] <lotus|xenial> pci2 is possible
[15:57] <TJ-> Yes, PCI1 is nearest the AGP slot.
[15:57] <TJ-> Right, PCI2 then :)
[15:57] <lotus|xenial> ok brb lemme change
[15:57] <TJ-> daftykins: I brought that blown SSD back to life today.. amazing what 20p of transistor can do :)
[15:58] <daftykins> :D
[15:58] <daftykins> excellent
[15:58] <daftykins> i like a good resurrection
[16:00] <TJ-> Now all I need is to get the host mobo to boot from USB!
[16:00] <daftykins> there's always plop :>
[16:00] <TJ-> how is that going to help if the BIOS won't read the USB device?
[16:02] <TJ-> its an 'embedded' mobo so no drives hanging off it, so its either USB, PXE, or do the install from another PC, but I'm trying to force it to behave - as it has booted from USB previously. I vaguely recall I had to pull the CMOS battery or something after each successful USB boot
[16:03] <daftykins> oh ok i thought a standard system
[16:03] <daftykins> i thought plop was a bootable CD that can pass over to flash drives was all
[16:06] * daftykins is preparing for patch tuesday
[16:06] <TJ-> Yes, it does. The issue here is perplexingly different. The BIOS offers about 8 different 'types' of USB-based boot, but the "USB HDD" and other 'HDD' permutations don't work. The 'FDD' permutations sometimes result in a message saying no boot loader found, try again. For all permutations the USB's LED blinks to show the BIOS is accessing it :s
[16:07] <lotus|xenial> LOOOOL
[16:07] <TJ-> I thought MS scrapped the monthly cycle and put them out ad-hoc
[16:07] <lotus|xenial> who wants a kiss?
[16:07] <lotus|xenial> 00:09.0 Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. RT2800 802.11n PCI [1814:0601]
[16:07] <daftykins> hmm, could it be one of those flash drives that presents as some other mode?
[16:07] <daftykins> eh what solved that? :O
[16:07] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: you did it mate!
[16:08] <lotus|xenial> pci port2 + that master ws write
[16:08] * TJ- gloes
[16:08] <lotus|xenial> i never tryed port2
[16:08] * TJ- glows, too :D
[16:08] <daftykins> :D
[16:08] <lotus|xenial> it always stuck in pci3 or pci4
[16:08] <daftykins> it was as simple as placement?
[16:08] <lotus|xenial> yep
[16:09] <lotus|xenial> now driver recognizes it
[16:09] <TJ-> I think more likely the Master Write - putting a delay of 1 cycle on bus accesses
[16:09] <EriC^^> !yay
[16:09] <lotus|xenial> yessss
[16:09] <daftykins> XD
[16:09] <EriC^^> !beer
[16:09] <lotus|xenial> lol
[16:09] <lotus|xenial> now the logic of tthis?
[16:09] <daftykins> ok i'm gonna get a coffee and cake from the coffee shop to celebrate on your behalf, lotus|xenial ;)
[16:09] <lotus|xenial> why did this work on trusty on port3?
[16:10] <TJ-> daftykins: the problem was the first byte read from the PCI config registers had its 2nd nibble corrupted, but when we read the Registers ourselves the content was correct, so it had to be an access issue, and the usual cause is the host reading the registers before the device has got them fully mapped into the host address space
[16:10] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: Because the PCI bus scanning code has gone through a LOT of changes
[16:11] <TJ-> It is now much faster and more parallelised
[16:11] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: what kind of changes?
[16:11] <daftykins> ah-har
[16:11] <daftykins> so it was a race condition in essence?
[16:11] <TJ-> The code was getting to be a mess of quirks so it was re-written cleaner and more flexible
[16:12] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: could you update my bug in your words mate
[16:12] <TJ-> daftykins: kind of, yes, although in this case it was simply the mobo was optimsing hardware reads too much
[16:12] <lotus|xenial> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1513477
[16:12] <TJ-> will do
[16:12] <lotus|xenial> tnx mate
[16:14] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: what should i choose fix commited or fix released
[16:17] <lotus|xenial> EriC^^: hows the mkv doing :p
[16:20] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: I've done it: "Invalid" - since it wasn't a bug in Linux
[16:20] <lotus|xenial> ok
[16:20] <TJ-> I also re-write the bug title to better reflect the issue and to make it easier for others to find it
[16:21] <TJ-> bug 1513477
[16:22] <lotus|xenial> nice
[16:24] <TJ-> lotus|xenial: that "Christopher M. Penalver" is a pain! For the last 3 or 4 years he's had to be constantly told not to take over bugs that devs are working on. There have been so major blow-ups over it in the bug-squad as a result. At one time when I was actually assigned to bugs he'd tell users to do things and change the status and keep on changing even after being asked to stop. I thought he'd
[16:24] <TJ-> gone quiet but he shows up on your bug :D
[16:24] <EriC^^> lotus|xenial: great, watched a couple movies
[16:26] <lotus|xenial> nice nice
[16:26] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: tnx for the bug editing
[16:27] <TJ-> Glad its sorted; it was an interesting one though :)
[16:27] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: driver=rt2800pci driverversion=4.2.0-16-generic firmware=0.34
[16:27] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: to compare with yours
[16:28] <lotus|xenial> im glad ubuntu has nothing to do with it
[16:29] <lotus|xenial> EriC^^: check blackhat brrip, nice movie
[16:29] <EriC^^> will do
[16:30] <EriC^^> i want to go get a hdmi cable today and some usbs and maybe a ps3 game or 2 and maybe a ssd
[16:30] <EriC^^> been saying that for a week though, been lazy :D
[16:30] <lotus|xenial> lool
[16:31] <lotus|xenial> did someone win the lottery :p
[16:31] <EriC^^> tonight's the night though, i'm pretty psyched :P
[16:31] <lotus|xenial> hehe
[16:32] <EriC^^> which ssd do you suggest lotus?
[16:32] <EriC^^> in case i find they have
[16:32] <lotus|xenial> EriC^^: samsung 850 pro 256
[16:32] <lotus|xenial> not the cheaper evo's
[16:32] <EriC^^> ok
[16:33] <EriC^^> any experience with that intel compute stick thingy?
[16:33] <lotus|xenial> EriC^^: didnt test myself no,wy?
[16:33] <EriC^^> oerheks mentioned it and i've been itching to get it if they have it
[16:33] <lotus|xenial> oh i think OerHeks can explain more on it then
[16:33] <lotus|xenial> EriC^^: whats your end goal to do?
[16:34] <lotus|xenial> portable arch?
[16:34] <EriC^^> nah i just thought it would be fun, it's like $120 for a usb pc O.o
[16:34] <EriC^^> like maybe plug it in and watch youtube videos on the tv
[16:35] <OerHeks> there are 2 types, with windows, or without, but without have lower specs AFAIK
[16:35] <EriC^^> it's too handy, handiness vs price is huge
[16:35] <OerHeks> but a stick in hdmi, i don't like it ( without extentioncable)
[16:36] <lotus|xenial> ok dinnertime guys
[16:36] <lotus|xenial> have a great nite
[16:36] <lotus|xenial> TJ-: tnx again for the solve mate
[16:37] <EriC^^> OerHeks: yeah i dont think it will work with the tv, just remembered that, it's too tiny in the back
[16:37] <EriC^^> OerHeks: do you think you could remove windows and install ubuntu to one of those? instead of getting the ubuntu with lower spec?
[16:37] <OerHeks> Sure, why not?
[16:38] <OerHeks> http://liliputing.com/2015/07/simplest-way-to-load-ubuntu-on-intel-compute-stick-with-windows-so-far.html
[16:38] <EriC^^> cool
[16:40] <OerHeks> i would save my money 'till after xmas
[16:40] <OerHeks> jan/feb prices and special offers
[16:44] <OerHeks> btw you all have the new kernel ?
[16:48] <EriC^^> i'm still on 67
[16:49] <EriC^^> low on isp transfer right now
[16:49] <OerHeks> 3.19.0-33-generic #38
[17:00] <TJ-> hmmm, all my equipment must know I have been soldering - 1 of the fridge/freezers has blown the top off a transistor!
[17:04] <daftykins> they're all ganging up for some work to be done :)
[17:04] <TJ-> it feels that way!
[17:04] <daftykins> odd, usually when i take something apart, the rest stop showing quirks for fear of being opened up themselves :>
[17:05] <TJ-> yeah, normally, that is what happens with me
[17:05] <daftykins> yesterday was really odd, i woke up to find my heating on - turned out the dying batteries in the wireless control thermostat had somehow made it decide to run itself
[17:05] <daftykins> somehow no more signal saying "heating off" meant "hey lets run!"
[17:07] <TJ-> because the TY has blown it's cap I can't read the part number, but I think its Z7S Y227 which is SO old I'm going to have fun finding a compatible replacement
[17:07] <daftykins> doh!
[17:07] <daftykins> hey did i hear right that maplin closed down across the UK? we don't have one down here but i thought they did
[17:13] <TJ-> Not that I know of
[17:14] <daftykins> i went in once when the slow blow fuse in my speaker set blew
[17:15] <Latrodectus> i need to buy a soldering kit :(
[17:16] <Latrodectus> and a ominmeter (i think that's what their called)
[17:18] <daftykins> multimeter perhaps
[17:19] <OerHeks> all these appliances blownup ...something to do with all those solarflares lately ?
[17:20] <TJ-> Get a rework station that has hot air and soldering iron
[17:26] <TJ-> I do wish the manufacturers would make it easier to locate the marking codes against the component part number, its actually a Z0107MN/5AA4 Triac.
[17:28] <OerHeks> TJ-, if a triac blows, there is a failure somewhere else too, isn't it?
[17:30] <EriC^^> how much mbps do you need to watch youtube videos without buffering?
[17:31] <OerHeks> sure 5 mbit would be enough
[17:31] <EriC^^> i think i have 24mbps right now or so, but i want to change the internet to use a bigger transfer one, largest they have is 8mbps
[17:32] <EriC^^> ok i guess 6 or 8 then
[17:32] <daftykins> i think most streaming services enjoy 5Mb (megabits) per second for most things
[17:35] <OerHeks> 6 mbit for digital tv
[17:37] <daftykins> come on Microsoft i'm ready for patch Tuesday :P
[17:38] <TJ-> OerHeks: usually, but in this case I know a short caused it. Replacing a thermistor at the same time
[17:41] <OerHeks> oh oke, continue
[17:46] <daftykins> happy to help eating anything good in said fridge whilst it is repaired :>
[17:47] <OerHeks> warm beer is awesome
[17:47] <daftykins> noooo D:
[17:47] * OerHeks remembers a fishingtrip, beer in the sidepocket for 6 hrs ..
[17:47] <OerHeks> never been that drunk man :-D
[17:50] <daftykins> lemme guess, no fish? :)
[17:52] <EriC^^> is there an easy way to catch a cat?
[17:52] <OerHeks> EriC^^, ... with a fish ?
[17:52] <OerHeks> :-D
[17:52] <EriC^^> lol
[17:53] <OerHeks> cat in heat, are easy
[17:53] <TJ-> well, hope the cops don't chase me... I just hot-wired the freezer :p
[17:53] <OerHeks> I think it is the time now
[17:53] * daftykins spots TJ- speeding around the fields on a fridge
[17:53] <daftykins> "woohoooooooo!"
[17:53] <TJ-> :D towed by 2 huskies
[17:53] <daftykins> lmao
[17:54] <TJ-> haha - if it don't get fixed I'll turn it into a sled ... just in time for snow :)
[18:07] <TJ-> hmmm, it seems my apple pies have been hacking the freezer :p
[18:08] <daftykins> :O
[18:29] <EriC^^> what's the highest resolution an av cable can carry?
[18:31] <TJ-> "it depends"
[18:32] <OerHeks> for playstation ? http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/videooutput.html
[18:33] <OerHeks> an 3 plug av cable cannot get 1080p, i thought it could do 720 p, but that is not on that page.
[18:33] <daftykins> EriC^^: which kind?
[18:33] <EriC^^> ps3 one
[18:33] <daftykins> single link DVI = 1920x1200 ; HDMI up to 1.4 = 2560x1600; VGA = 2048x1536...
[18:33] <EriC^^> it says 480i
[18:34] <daftykins> oh so non-HDMI?
[18:34] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:34] <daftykins> hehe damn it EriC^^ go to the shop! :D
[18:34] <EriC^^> lol
[18:34] <OerHeks> buy that cable, instead of that intel computestick
[18:34] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:35] <daftykins> back in a tick, the irony of a Linux server VM atop a windows host continues
[18:47] <daftykins> tum-te-tum
[18:47] <TJ-> yes, mine is hungry too
[18:48] <daftykins> :D
[19:48] <EriC^^> got an hdmi cable
[19:48] <EriC^^> yay!
[19:48] <daftykins> \o/
[19:48] <daftykins> now you will see a real quality picture :) what was the standard cable, composite or S-Video?
[19:49] <daftykins> or component even
[19:49] <EriC^^> the av one?
[19:50] <EriC^^> i think it's standard, i never used it though except couple times, i used to have an hdmi cable but it broke a while ago
[19:50] <EriC^^> i like to hook up the pc to it for the music
[19:53] <daftykins> :D
[20:00] <daftykins> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13218371/ <-- plm's xorg log - i've not seen that before
[20:01] <daftykins> i've suggested fglrx being tried, but wonder if it's more critical than that
[20:02] <EriC^^> hmm
[20:03] <EriC^^> maybe fglrx will fix it
[20:23] <OerHeks> Should i stay on 15.04 > donate a donut, should i upgrade, donate 2 donuts.
[20:24] <OerHeks> downgrade to 14.04, 2 donuts & icecream
[20:35] * daftykins pats LTS
[20:38] <OerHeks> icecream\o/
[20:39] <daftykins> it's getting too cold for ice cream ;_;
[20:43] <wileee> lts lemon truffle syrup makes all ice cream wonderful
[20:45] * wileee dreams of truffle hunting with a favored swine
[20:45] <Bashing-om> "wonderful" must include the word 'chocolate' in the description .
[20:45] <OerHeks> oh that is why you say lts ..
[20:46] <wileee> true chocolate on dat
[20:48] <Bashing-om> wonderful !
[21:01] <Latrodectus> people should drink the lts coolaid
[21:02] <Bashing-om> physchodelic ^^ ?
[21:02] <daftykins> TJ-: did you mention there was a bug of 15.10 ignoring the interfaces file recently?
[21:03] <OerHeks> hmm #ubuntu is not in the logs ..
[21:05] <wileee> I took the lts little blue pyramids, oh the colors
[21:08] <wileee> not
[21:10] <Bashing-om> wileee: I did not believe the above, as I know you have better sense . - How could one 'buntu if they are not "there" ?
[21:10] <OerHeks> daftykins, you have been to Chester lately ?
[21:11] <daftykins> OerHeks: never! have to fly to get to England :)
[21:11] <wileee> Bashing-om, I'm always there, just may be one of my many faces.
[21:11] <OerHeks> oh, so this was not you ? http://www.boredpanda.com/public-bench-prank-plaques-chester-council/
[21:11] <wileee> one for every occasion
[21:13] <daftykins> XD
[21:13] <daftykins> those are graet
[21:13] <daftykins> *great
[21:22] <wileee> I like this link from that link, http://www.boredpanda.com/funny-fake-self-help-books-obvious-plant-jeff-wysaski/
[21:23] <OerHeks> i was looking at those smartphone-zombies http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/screens-stealing-soul-sur-fake-antoine-geiger-25.jpg
[21:28] <daftykins> my friends have real problems being 'present' when out and about in public places these days, total slaves to their phones
[21:28] <OerHeks> i don't have friends, they have smartphones, me none.
[21:29] <OerHeks> :-(
[21:29] <OerHeks> i don't count anymore
[21:29] <OerHeks> calling me costs money, they say.
[21:30] <OerHeks> maybe that is why i don't do any effort to get such BQ 5.0 hd
[21:30] <daftykins> :D
[22:45] <JanC> well, the bq 4.5 is cheaper ;)
[22:46] <OerHeks> 5.0 has a little better batterytime
[22:47] <OerHeks> But helping my mom with bills is a little higher priority, that is the real reason.
[22:49] <wileee> you're a good son ;)
[22:49] <wileee> so I assume, heh
[22:49] <wileee> son*
[22:50] <OerHeks> Well, i like to kick my brother in the <somewhere> as he has a good job, own house etc ... but he has 2 kids too.
[22:51] <OerHeks> oh, they have smartphones.
[22:51] <wileee> heh, diabolical
[22:52] <OerHeks> and oke, it makes me proud, she was there for us all these years, now it is our turn.
[22:53] <OerHeks> ( he does legal work for her, that can be expensive too)
[22:53] <wileee> common theme in many cultures, most really population wise, The US fails here among a few others
[22:54] <OerHeks> True, some old people never see their kids, maybe once a month or less.. i live 10 km from her house, 40 minutes on my bicycle.
[22:56] <wileee> my mom and I are not even talking now, her choice, an only child here, never really attached emotionally past about 10 yrs old, my family rarely contacts each other
[22:56] <wileee> welcome to the US, lol
[23:08] <OerHeks> daftykins, that meles is on trusty, kernel 4.0.0-040000-generic is not for trusty, even after removal of nvidia 352 .. is it worth looking into that?
[23:08] <OerHeks> and that ppa, https://launchpad.net/~beineri/+archive/ubuntu/opt-qt55-trusty
[23:08] <OerHeks> ...
[23:09] <daftykins> OerHeks: i'd rather the guy weren't using a mainline, just being really stubborn since the 3.13 didn't support his laptop i think. haswell and broadwell based machine, so super recent
[23:10] <OerHeks> that kernel wants systemD, no?
[23:11] <daftykins> i don't think that's an issue for testing against 14.04, should be alright
[23:12] <OerHeks> ke
[23:13] <daftykins> bah my nice new disk enclosure stopped working >8\
[23:13] * OerHeks blames sunflares
[23:18] <TJ-> Just looked at this meles issue - I *think* it looks like the opengl compiz plugin missing
[23:24] <daftykins> sounds like a plan, i'm playing with my drive enclosure now =|
[23:25] <TJ-> lost power, or stopped responding on the interface?
[23:51] <daftykins> pops up on my PC just fine, but it's a storage drive for use with my xbox one
[23:51] <daftykins> unfortunately in their wisdom, the things use a modified MBR so that they're not readable as standard from a PC
[23:54] <TJ-> strange
[23:58] <daftykins> argh there's a disk browser available but it's hidden behind a scene FTP
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[09:44] <davmor3> jibel: yay for hotspots on phones having to use kiwi irc so will keep traffic low and just be on quality and ci-eng
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-uos-plenary
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[15:32] <Yusta> Hi !
[15:33] <Yusta> Helow
[15:38] <Yusta> ware are you !!
[16:00] <dholbach> hey hey
[16:00] <dholbach> starting in a second
[16:02] <puttyn> this not ubuntu-on-air channel
[16:02] <puttyn> am right in here?
[16:02] <puttyn> is why plenary?
[16:02] <dragonbite> dunno
[16:02] <dholbach> let us know if you have questions, just make sure you prefix them with QUESTION:
[16:02] <dholbach> puttyn, dragonbite: my mistake - we normally hang out in #ubuntu-on-air
[16:03] <dholbach> last week was UOS, and I forgot to change channel name
[16:03] <puttyn> dholbach: so we stay here?
[16:03] <dholbach> in any case: we'll pick up the questions from here and from #ubuntu-on-air
[16:03] <dholbach> yep
[16:03] <puttyn> i question in here?
[16:03] <puttyn> cool. thanks much
[16:03] <dholbach> :-)
[16:04] <puttyn> QUESTION: when ubuntu phone in russia?
[16:05] <salil> i am attending such session for first time , what will we be discussing??
[16:05] <dholbach> ask all the questions you might have - we'll try to answer them all :)
[16:05] <dasbeast> Any pending agreements with US carriers you're exploring for Ubuntu phone? Sprint/Tmobile?
[16:06] <salil> how can i contribute to ubuntu community ??
[16:06] <puka_> hi
[16:06] <puka_> this is a irc channel for QandA?
[16:06] <salil> yes
[16:06] <clith> don't forget to prefix your question with "QUESTION:"
[16:06] <ash0> QUESTION:on the what's new in 15.10 statement there was unity8 preview, i upgraded, yet no unity8 :( didn't it make to release candidate?
[16:06] <puka_> oh ok
[16:07] <puka_> QUESTION: i just installed xubuntu on a virtualbox (my main OS is windows 10) it's my first time i use a linux OS.. some tips to learn? wat is terminal? what i do with him?
[16:08] <puttyn> QUESTION: how do you install apps on Ubuntu with mir session? when click install in store not installing
[16:09] <netlore> QUESTION: are there any Intel tablets that lend themselves to running Ubuntu personal... perhaps it's something that could have a compatibility list/installation guide.
[16:09] <salil> terminal is a way you interact with your OS , you can navigate through your files , folders and install applications
[16:09] <puka_> like sudo apt-get install ninja-ide?
[16:09] <salil> yes
[16:09] <puka_> cuz i was searching for a text editor for linux and a guy tell me that and i dont know what to do with this line xD
[16:10] <salil> sudo apt-get install <package name>
[16:10] <puttyn> QUESTION: what is difference between stable, rc-proposed and devel channel and how change channel?
[16:11] <puka_> QEUSTION: it;s worst or better for a beginner( on xubuntu 14.04 i have Python version 2.7)to update to python 3.? i'm a beginner and python it's my first programming language
[16:12] <puttyn> QUESTION: when ubuntu phones new kernel and new ubuntu version? (16.04 maybe)
[16:13] <netlore> @puttyn, stable is the current released version, then there is a release candidate (rc) version whcih is the version getting ready for release as the next "stable"... rc-proposed is rc with proposed changes before they are fully tested... devel is the current development version, and there is a devel-proposed which has new packages which are waiting to be promoted to devel... it's basically a hiarchy.
[16:14] <salil> Question : what about lts??
[16:15] <puttyn> netlore: so rc and rc proposed are equivalent of beta and devel alpha?
[16:15] <puttyn> netlore: makes sense
[16:17] <netlore> @puttyn I believe there is a delay shifting from 15.04 ro 15.10/16.04 becuase of the move from click to snappy... as far as I know it's coming, but I couldn't say when.
[16:19] <puttyn> QUESTION: some people install apps on phones using apt-get, is it safe? if not is any safe way to apt-get install?
[16:20] <netlore> @puttyn you have to disable image based updates and make your image read/write to install packages with apt... it's definitely not the recommended way to proceed.
[16:23] <dragonbite> That's what I did in the beginning.. gave myself the challenge to "do everything I do in Windows, in Linux" and it took a while, but is a success
[16:24] <dshimer> QUESTION: Is there top level cooperation / support involving Canonical and Mycroft. At UOS Ryan Sipes sounded "hopeful" that things would work out but it seems like Canonical should be working hard to get such a promising AI working on the phone and desktop as a first class citizen.
[16:24] <netlore> @popey "do what you normally do", except download random binary packages from web sites and run them... leave that to Windows users.
[16:25] <popey> haha
[16:26] <salil> Question: Is there a way i can run my applications/software from terminal ?
[16:27] <netlore> @salil what platform (phone or desktop), and what app?
[16:27] <salil> Desktop and i was trying to run CODE:BLOCKS IDE
[16:29] <netlore> @popey apparently Teclast X80HD has UEFI bios... for example.
[16:29] <UbuntuFun_de_> QUESTION: When can we expect the first commercial Ubuntu Phone that supports Convergence? And how will be the partner?
[16:29] <nhaines> salil: you just type the name of the executable for that program and press Enter. But it will start new windows and lock the terminal until that app is finished.
[16:30] <nhaines> That can be useful if you want to look for error or status messages, but outside of that it's more fun to run command line and text-based apps in the Terminal. :)
[16:30] <nhaines> nano is a nice text editor, for example.
[16:30] <dholbach> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/
[16:30] <netlore> @salil yes, you can run apps from the terminal on the desktop... as long as you know the correct binary to run... remember if it's a graphical app you have to be running on a graphical screen so that the app can open a window.
[16:31] <dholbach> puttyn, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/
[16:32] <salil> thanks you @netlore and @ nhaines
[16:32] <nhaines> puka_: if "python3" runs, then you have both installed. If you're learning Python today, it's better to learn Python 3.
[16:32] <puka_> so how i update my py 2.7 to 3?
[16:33] <puka_> is there a apt-get command?
[16:33] <nhaines> puka_: you won't replace python 2.7, you'll just install python 3 alongside it.
[16:34] <nhaines> The first step if to see if python3 is already installed.
[16:34] <nhaines> Because it probably is.
[16:34] <puka_> it;s not
[16:34] <puka_> i do in terminal pyton -V
[16:34] <puka_> and he say python 2.7
[16:34] <nhaines> Instead do 'python3' like I said.
[16:34] <puka_> oh sit
[16:34] <puka_> i have python 3.4.0
[16:35] <puka_> xaxa
[16:35] <nhaines> So now you don't have to choose which to have installed, just which you want to learn. :)
[16:37] <netlore> QUESTION: have you considered asking people to clarify if their question if for phone/image based systems,or apt-get/.deb based systems.. ;)
[16:38] <dholbach> netlore, sorry - please let us know if we misunderstood the question
[16:42] <dragonbite> QUESTION: How does/will Canonical earn money with the Ubuntu Phone?
[16:42] <nhaines> dragonbite: Canonical gets a license fee for every phone sold, much like Microsoft and Google with Windows and Android phones.
[16:44] <netlore> @dholbach, sorry I was being fecetious... it's just hard to work out what people mean in questions because the answers are different if it's desktop or phone...
[16:45] <dholbach> netlore, right... it's just that we have a delay between video and irc, so that's why I'm not asking back, waiting, then answering -- I just used my best guess and thought it was generally easy tp spot what was meant :)
[16:45] <dholbach> but maybe I was wrong -- let me know if we should answer a question another time
[16:47] <netlore> @dholbach when I was trying to answer the guy who said "can I run apps from the terminal"... that's not possible from the phone, as far as I know.
[16:48] <dragonbite> Thanks!
[16:49] <nhaines> netlore: just as a general rule, this "@" thing is foreign to IRC.
[16:49] <nhaines> Just mentioning someone's nick will highlight that line in their IRC client.
[16:49] <dragonbite> QUESTION: what's the name of your cat ;)
[16:49] <nhaines> Ooh, that's a good question. :)
[16:49] <netlore> QUESTION: is the migration from click to snappy for the phone progressing.
[16:49] <popey> https://twitter.com/salempope
[16:50] <yusta> helow
[16:50] <salil> are we going to get ubuntu phones in india??
[16:51] <dholbach> salil, http://ubuntu.snapdeal.com/
[16:51] <nhaines> salil: they are already there, I believe. :)
[16:51] <Longb> Hey folks. Mr. Pope, you're looking a bit dark there.
[16:52] <dholbach> thanks a lot everyone :)
[16:52] <yusta> Hi World !
[16:52] <yusta> السلام عليكم
[16:53] <UbuntuFun_de_> Thank you Danial and Alan for your time and for giving answers to our quesions. :)
[16:53] <UbuntuFun_de_> a=e
[16:54] <UbuntuFun_de_> +t
[16:54] <UbuntuFun_de_> .... had a long day...
[16:54] <netlore> uNav turn by turn navigation on the phone is working great... :)
[16:54] <popey> thanks everyone!
[16:54] <dholbach> yusta, and the same to you :)
[16:54] <dholbach> thanks UbuntuFun_de_ :)
[16:54] <popey> I do love our time together
[16:54] <salil> thank you for the session
[16:54] <dholbach> yes - it was great fun :)
[16:55] <UbuntuFun_de_> bye
[17:02] <nhaines> netlore: I'm the English voice for UNav. :)
[17:05] <netlore> Ha!, awesome nhaines... I've actually commented to Marcos that the English voice is great..... can you record him "in 1 mile", "in 500 yards", "in 200 yards" etc... I don't think it gives enough warning sometimes... :)
[17:16] <nhaines> netlore: oh, haha, thanks! :D
[17:16] <nhaines> The new version does at least give some warning. :) I'm always happy to record anything he needs.
[17:25] <netlore> nhaines: I've been driving a lot recently trying it out, and it's actually amazing... although I have seen some things that could be better... like the icon that tells you the next turn is in 34 miles... then says "take the exit" immediately just as you pass it at 90mph in the outside lane... it does need some advance audio reminder.
[17:26] <nhaines> Haha, yeah... that's been improved for surface street speeds but I don't know if it's tailored to current driving speed yet. File a bug! :D
[17:28] <netlore> nhaines: I completely broke it by travelling through a grid of roundabouts each 1/4 miles apart at ~80mph as got behind with the audio announcements and was telling me whcih exit to take after I took them... that was a bit unfair, and it's improving!... I've files a couple of bugs and sent screenshots to Marcos too... when it's safe to take them
[17:31] <nhaines> Yes, always be safe. :)
[17:32] <nhaines> He's a good guy. I know he loves getting feedback. He works quite hard on uNav. That's why I try my best on the audio!
[17:34] <netlore> nhaines: yes, he was very enthusiastic when I started giving feedback on the first version... TBH I took an old Android tablet just incase it didn't work, but it's great.
[17:36] <nhaines> Haha, yeah, I also have my Nexus 7 when I'm testing uNav. :) Sadly it's not currently working on just my N7, and my N5 isn't running Ubuntu at the moment.
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[01:22] <^k^> 新 Wine及其分支 • 最新编译版wine1.7.54，仅适用于ubuntu15.10 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473791 这次编译，除了OPENAL-soft，oss支持之外全编译进去了，所以会很大，如果之前你有编译安装wine1.7的，请先删除/usr/lib/wine /usr/lib/libwine.so* 附wineQQ7.7，请在wine1.7安装后使用。 wine1.7-1.7.5
[01:22] <^k^> ─> 4-yuanxiao_amd64.deb 下载：http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?uk=3927426462&shareid=1335048920&fid=77610342740184 win …
[01:51] <^k^> 新 手机和平板 • 手机病毒不能被彻底删除问题？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473792 有些手机病毒，如果被安装在手机上后。 即使手机执行了菜单：“恢复出厂设置”，也不能真正删除该病毒。 这是什么原因？ 这类病毒是怎样实现？ zz: Qubun — 2015-11-10 9:50
[02:25] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS • 升级到3.13.0-67-generic后virtualbox不能用了 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473795 从3.13.0-66-generic更新到3.13.0-67-generic后， Code: sudo /sbin/vboxconfig Adding system startup for /etc/init.d/vboxdrv ... /etc/rc0.d/K80vboxdrv -> ../init.d/vboxdrv /etc/rc1.d/K80vboxdrv -> ../init.d/vboxdrv /etc/
[02:25] <^k^> ─> rc6.d/K80vboxdrv -> ../init.d/vboxdrv /etc/rc2.d/S20vboxdrv -> ../init.d/vboxdrv /etc/rc3.d/S20vboxdrv -> . …
[02:45] <^k^> 新 服务器维护和硬件相关 • CDN？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473797 假设，用户设置了文件hosts： Code: 54.223.189.245 www.zhihu.com 浏览器输入：www.zhihu.com 即使知乎在用户附近有CDN网络节点。 电脑也不会去访问这些CDN网络节点。 而直接访问IP地址：54.223.189.245。 是不是？ zz: Qu
[02:45] <^k^> ─> bun — 2015-11-10 10:44
[02:51] <onlylove_> 这个傻逼整天在论坛问，这种傻逼问题，自己试一下不就知道了，远比在论坛问来的快！
[02:57] <uuair_> 好奇怪，我打开了ufw，怎么什么访问都被禁止了呢？连80都不成了
[02:58] <uuair> ufw allow 80 就可以了吧
[03:22] <misaka00251> 用IRC的人好少啊
[03:54] <crazyhorse18> hey all, I can't get pinyin input to work in ubuntu 15.04.. i tried the instructions on http://www.pinyinjoe.com/linux/ubuntu-12-chinese-setup.htm
[03:54] <ubrl> ⇪ f: Pinyin Joe - Ubuntu 15/14/13/12 Chinese Setup - Fcitx and IBus input methods, fonts, LibreOffice Asian languages
[03:55] <crazyhorse18> i've set it to fcitx and i've gone thorugh im-config
[03:58] <nyfair> holy shit! why ppl always follow garbage instructions
[04:00] <crazyhorse18> :/
[04:00] <crazyhorse18> do you know some good ones?
[04:00] <nyfair> go fuck csslayer and he'll tell you
[04:40] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS • 12.04的ustc源更新时显示GPG KEYEXPIRED http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473798 Code: W: GPG error: http://mirrors.ustc.edu.cn precise/ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1445181253 KEYEXPIRED 1445181253 KEYEXPIRED 1445181253 这是源方面的问题还是我机子上系统的问题？谢谢 zz: wate
[04:40] <^k^> ─> rloo2005 — 2015-11-10 12:40
[05:07] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu衍生版制作 • live usb ? http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473799 ubuntu用dd命令，安装在U盘，SD卡，TF卡，硬盘！ 1.可以在这种系统上，安装软件。 但是，重启电脑，软件就会自动删除。 这是什么原因？ 2.这种系统，与手机菜单：“恢复出厂设置”。有什么区别？ zz: Qubun —
[05:07] <^k^> ─> 2015-11-10 13:06
[05:17] <MangHuo> test
[05:17] <ubrl> MangHuo:点点点. 13:20
[05:41] <MoopCC> 现在都没有几个人了?
[05:42] <nyfair> 人数过百，智商减半
[05:45] <MoopCC> 本来人都不多. 就都挂着呢.
[05:46] <wbchn> O:-)
[06:23] <Freebuilder> 用了一天 pulseaudio，感觉
[06:23] <Freebuilder> 还是卸掉算了，我宁可没声音
[06:27] <onlylove_> Freebuilder: 和你说了，试下ossv4
[06:27] <gebjgd> onlylove_, 从来没遇到过pa不好用的时候
[06:27] <Freebuilder> onlylove_, 太折腾，不搞了
[06:32] <nyfair> pulseaudio systemd avahi gstreamer 4大傻逼你不知道？
[06:32] <gebjgd> windows macos 2大傻逼你必须知道
[06:32] <nyfair> systemd自从傻逼移权之后似乎好点了，剩下三大傻逼
[06:33] <onlylove___> 不是说lennart大傻逼制造了无数小傻逼么
[06:33] <Freebuilder> gstreamer 没用过，avahi 没听过
[06:33] <nyfair> gebjgd: 我说他们傻逼是因为我能做出更好的，跟你不一样
[06:33] <gebjgd> nyfair, 你做啊
[06:34] <nyfair> gebjgd: 有钱我就做啊
[06:34] <gebjgd> nyfair, 多做少说
[06:34] <NWMonster> nyfair: 先做出来再说
[06:34] <nyfair> gebjgd: 做事没钱，话多有钱
[06:35] <nyfair> NWMonster: 有开源厨投资我马上做
[06:36] <NWMonster> nyfair: 总要先有雏形，大家认为好，才会投。光说谁会给你钱？
[06:36] <gebjgd> nyfair, 有本事和lennart一样 去rh 人家也是有金主给钱写的
[06:36] <gebjgd> nyfair, 你进不了金主公司 没钱是你的本事问题
[06:37] <nyfair> 哟，什么时候开始比钱了。要不要我真去跟lennart那大傻逼比比钱？
[06:37] <gebjgd> nyfair, 你先提钱打
[06:37] <gebjgd> nyfair, 你先提钱的
[06:37] <nyfair> gebjgd: 那比啊，lennart有多少钱？
[06:38] <gebjgd> nyfair, 够他写个systemd 让你们不得不用 你没钱写不出来好的
[06:39] <onlylove> 不是不得不用
[06:39] <onlylove> 是发行版说要用
[06:39] <gebjgd> onlylove, 你不用就是了
[06:39] <nyfair> gebjgd: 别闹了，那个写码的能比过我们蹭专利饭逼人写码的？
[06:41] <^k^> 新 启动和引导 • 启动出现drdy err 报错 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473800 这段时间，我的电脑开机每次都出现 drdy err 错误， 请看照片 zz: pengsir — 2015-11-10 14:40
[06:41] <nyfair> lennart这种民工都有人厨，真是世风日下
[06:42] <onlylove> 脱袜子自己能设计kerenl，能设计git，却没设计init
[06:43] <nyfair> 虽然yinwang不服脱袜子，我还是比较服的，不过脱袜子那张嘴我不服
[06:44] <nyfair> 不是有个suckless init么
[06:44] <onlylove> 貌似搞过lisp的都这不服那不服，不过yinwang最近在搞啥
[06:45] <nyfair> onlylove: yinwang不是老说他大学导师很厉害么，然后再吹那家伙给了他满分
[06:48] <nyfair> 我好歹还在mpeg标准委员会里挂名，ffmpeg的人做各种帧间预测还要找我，尼玛现在反倒喷个gstreamer都被人说没资格了
[06:49] <nyfair> http://www.acfun.tv/a/ac2318711
[06:49] <adam_> 大家好, Mac OS X用得我想死
[06:49] <ubrl> nyfair: ⇪ 宣称击落俄客机IS头目被击毙 - AcFun弹幕视频网 - 认真你就输啦 (・ω・)ノ- ( ゜- ゜)つロ
[06:49] <nyfair> 莫装逼，装逼被雷劈
[06:51] <onlylove> adam_: 当当，你咋会用OS X用的想死呢，OS X的init不是比systemd 还强悍么（忘了哪个鼓吹systemd的说的）
[06:51] <hceasy> 好困啊....
[06:51] <hceasy> 中午还了一罐百威..
[06:52] <gebjgd> adam_, 爽么
[06:52] <lainme> 但是pluseaudio和systemd都没给我制造过麻烦，gstreamer是真不行
[06:52] <gebjgd> adam_, 哈哈哈
[06:52] <adam_> onlylove: 不是我
[06:52] <adam_> g
[06:52] <gebjgd> adam_, finder， 鼠标 键盘会让你想马上辞职
[06:52] <gebjgd> adam_, 会c社吧
[06:52] <adam_> gebjgd: 鼠标键盘触控板全还给IT了, 在用自己的
[06:53] <gebjgd> adam_, 恩 那就对了
[06:53] <gebjgd> adam_, 渣一样的
[06:53] <nyfair> adam_: 壕，包养我
[06:53] <adam_> gebjgd: 搭个环境各种毛病, homebrew也不是万能的
[06:53] <adam_> 要是没用homebrew就可以直接去死了
[06:53] <gebjgd> adam_, 谁让你去个用mac的公司
[06:53] <adam_> nyfair: 来我司 推荐你
[06:53] <adam_> gebjgd: 我准备常年生活在虚拟机里了
[06:54] <nyfair> adam_: 你现在哪家？
[06:54] <gebjgd> adam_, LOL
[06:54] <adam_> nyfair: Pivotal
[06:54] <adam_> https://pivotal.io
[06:54] <ubrl> adam_: ⇪ Home | Pivotal
[06:54] <onlylove> adam_: 求渡
[06:55] <nyfair> http://pivotal.io/big-data/pivotal-big-data-suite 这外包公司？
[06:55] <ubrl> nyfair: ⇪ Pivotal Big Data Suite | Big Data | Pivotal
[06:55] <yurakucho> Chaos`Eternal: Mac用得我想死啊, 跑虚拟机阔不阔以啊?
[06:55] <onlylove> yurakucho: 大数据壕，求带
[06:56] <Chaos`Eternal> 你干嘛要用Mac啊
[06:56] <onlylove> nyfair: 毛外包，正儿八经的大数据公司
[06:56] <Chaos`Eternal> 你为啥不跟老板说好让给你配个thinkpad啊
[06:56] <Chaos`Eternal> 我就弄了个W541
[06:56] <onlylove> nyfair: 赶紧求带，没准来得及
[06:56] <Chaos`Eternal> 装Ubuntu
[06:56] <Chaos`Eternal> 挺爽
[06:56] <yurakucho> Chaos`Eternal: 可以?
[06:57] <Chaos`Eternal> 你现在当然不行了，过几年换电脑的时候吧
[06:57] <yurakucho> Chaos`Eternal: rmbp 15/16G/512G 我还不如用个几千块的dell啊!
[06:57] <Chaos`Eternal> 我现在编译GPDB啊啥的毫无压力
[06:57] <lainme> yurakucho: mac也可以debian
[06:58] <yurakucho> Chaos`Eternal: 就怕工作要用mac特有的东西, airplay啥的
[06:58] <gebjgd> yurakucho, 能上Linux 但是不知道你们公司允许么
[06:58] <nyfair> onlylove: pivotal本身就是养老公司啊，然而我司有很多pivotal过来养老的
[06:58] <yurakucho> gebjgd: 我们的编译部署都是linux啊
[06:58] <gebjgd> yurakucho, 那还想什么直接格了 上debian
[06:58] <yurakucho> nyfair: 是么... 我就是不想养老才离职的
[06:58] <gebjgd> yurakucho, 没有任何问题
[06:59] <Chaos`Eternal> 这个我就不知道啦
[06:59] <Chaos`Eternal> 反正我用不着
[07:00] <nyfair> yurakucho: 感觉逼格不如c纪啊
[07:00] <yurakucho> 还是虚拟机比较靠谱, 反正硬件牛
[07:00] * yurakucho installing debian sid
[07:00] <yurakucho> nyfair: 我bige比较低
[07:02] <nyfair> yurakucho: 不想养老就去996啊
[07:04] <nyfair> 为毛还装大便，你应该感受下洗发水的光环
[07:05] <nyfair> 大便各种dev包要单独装，麻烦
[07:08] <onlylove1> 把2008装成2008r2了，喵咪咪的，还没pxe，真TM的
[07:09] <onlylove1> nyfair: dev包什么的，需要就装，不需要能节约一点地方是一点地方
[07:09] <nyfair> yurakucho: 时薪万五了还吹不想养老，虚伪！
[07:09] <yurakucho> nyfair: 毛线
[07:10] <nyfair> yurakucho: 当年不就月税万五了
[07:10] * yurakucho 太折腾了!!! 求用debian啊
[07:10] <yurakucho> nyfair: 一万五? 那么点好干毛?
[07:11] <nyfair> 月税壕！
[07:13] <yurakucho> nyfair: 你滚
[07:15] <onlylove1> nyfair: 人时薪20W好么，怎么可能月税一万五
[07:16] <tryit> yurakucho, 我的工作OS早换debian了 ubuntu不稳定
[07:17] <tryit> yurakucho, arch gentoo系每一次升级都惴惴不安
[07:18] <onlylove1> tryit: 坐等你换centos，因为当当说了，debian不如猫猫稳定
[07:18] <tryit> onlylove1, 你以为我没尝试过centos。。。
[07:18] <yurakucho> 必须不如 远远不如
[07:18] <tryit> onlylove1, 稳定性肯定不如
[07:19] <tryit> onlylove1, 但要在稳定性和易用性之间取得一个权衡 yurakucho
[07:19] <yurakucho> tryit: 所以我用debian
[07:19] <tryit> yurakucho, +1
[07:21] <onlylove> tryit: 在我看来，你们所谓的稳定性，就像那群玩hifi的说水电和火电 cc yurakucho
[07:22] <onlylove> tryit: 要比稳定性，不服和BSD玩去，就玩网络高负载，如何？ cc yurakucho
[07:23] <onlylove> yurakucho: 你猫猫内核再好，到了网络高负载，一样不如freebsd，不是么，别提稳定性啦，winserver都比你强
[07:27] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 14.04 LTS • Ubuntu修改一些参数，经常性卡死机？什么情况呢？大神求解决 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473802 比如：① #vi /etc/default/grub 修改： GRUB_TIMEOUT=0 更新 #update-grub Root自东路后出现/root/profile错误 #vi /root/.profile 删除 msg ~n ② sysv-rc-conf speech-dispa off sysv-rc-conf ondema
[07:27] <^k^> ─> nd off sysv-rc-conf rsync off sys-rc-conf sande off ③ X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=true Name[en US]=pos Name=pos Comme …
[07:31] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 14.04 LTS • Ubuntu修改一些参数，会卡死机！ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473803 比如：① #vi /etc/default/grub 修改： GRUB_TIMEOUT=0 更新 #update-grub Root自东路后出现/root/profile错误 #vi /root/.profile 删除 msg ~n ② sysv-rc-conf speech-dispa off sysv-rc-conf ondemand off sysv-rc-conf rsync off sys-rc-co
[07:31] <^k^> ─> nf sande off ③ X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=true Name[en US]=pos Name=pos Comment[en US]=pos Comment=pos ④ mkdir -p …
[07:32] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS • Ubuntu 修改一些参数，会经常卡死机 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473804 比如：① #vi /etc/default/grub 修改： GRUB_TIMEOUT=0 更新 #update-grub Root自东路后出现/root/profile错误 #vi /root/.profile 删除 msg ~n ② sysv-rc-conf speech-dispa off sysv-rc-conf ondemand off sysv-rc-conf rsync off sys-rc
[07:32] <^k^> ─> -conf sande off ③ X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=true Name[en US]=pos Name=pos Comment[en US]=pos Comment=pos ④ mkdir …
[07:36] <onlylove1> 听一群傻逼讨论老外用微信，真TM疯了
[07:41] <nyfair> 吃蛆不忘拉屎人
[07:41] <nyfair> 就是这个意思
[07:41] <ulot0> 为什么用微信就疯了呢
[07:42] <ulot0> 我昨天还在提议建个微信群呢，你们不用微信吗？
[07:44] <cherrot> 一个group还弄个微信群 烦不烦
[07:44] <cherrot> 老外用微信咋个就疯了呢
[07:44] <cherrot> onlylove1,
[07:45] <ulot0> 我都忘了QQ中还有群了，好久不上QQ了。
[07:45] <yurakucho> cherrot: mac下irssi怎么切换? alt+num的操作怎么实现?
[07:46] <nyfair> 干嘛不用qq
[07:46] <cherrot> yurakucho, 我low，我用的 XChat Azure
[07:46] <yurakucho> nyfair: 为了和你聊天~
[07:46] <yurakucho> ...
[07:46] <nyfair> 跟家里人采用微信，不认识的人当然qq
[07:48] <ulot0> 不用QQ从根底来说应该是看不惯腾讯只知道赚钱，不知道奉献，原来开发个LINUXQQ挺好，后来居然取消，所以有些抵制的意思。。。。用微信是逼无赖，人是群居动物，总要约个炮，泡个妞
[07:48] <onlylove> cherrot: 一群测试和刘姥姥进大观园似的，老外也用微信？他们怎么注册啊，也得用手机吧，他们手机号也是13xxxx么
[07:49] * cherrot 太鄙视我鹅厂北美分部了 233
[07:49] <onlylove> cherrot: 我TM怎么混了这么一群同事
[07:50] <cherrot> ulot0, 这跟奉献没啥关系 。。
[07:50] <onlylove> cherrot: 我是不是换个地方得，这地方呆久了会不会变傻
[07:50] <cherrot> onlylove 换换更健康
[07:53] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 哎呀
[07:53] <MangHuo> yurakucho: mac 玩 irc 爽不
[07:53] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 凑合
[07:53] <MangHuo> 色大象呢
[07:54] <yurakucho> mac太难用... 还好有homebrew
[07:54] <MangHuo> firefox 鼠标手势插件哪家强
[07:54] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 不对，你是键盘流
[07:54] <yurakucho> vimperator
[07:58] <onlylove1> 我要换工位了……去做思杰测试
[08:00] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • 后悔了，现在不敢重启系统了 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473807 Ubuntu 15.10 我执行了 Code: sudo apt-get autoremove 然后我上网一查，才知道很危险。现在该怎么办，按照卸载的在安装上行吗 Code: (正在读取数据库 ... 系统当前共安装有 210572 个文件和目录。) 正
[08:00] <^k^> ─> 在卸载 default-jre (2:1.7-52) ... 正在卸载 openjdk-7-jre:amd64 (7u85-2.6.1-5ubuntu0.15.10.1) ... 正在卸载 …
[08:01] <nyfair> yurakucho: 李老板带带我
[08:03] <yurakucho> nyfair: 牛牛, 包养我
[08:03] <tryit> onlylove1, 恭喜
[08:04] <nyfair> yurakucho: 毛线，刚才还有人嫌弃我穷 gebjgd:
[08:12] <gebjgd> nyfair, 大力抽插我
[08:16] <cherrot> yurakucho, 李老板请吃饭
[08:18] <yurakucho> cherrot: 阔以啊
[08:18] <yurakucho> cherrot: 你告诉我mac下怎么安装python-pysocks
[08:18] <cherrot> yurakucho, 双mac壕
[08:19] <cherrot> yurakucho, homebrew ＋ pip install ?
[08:19] <yurakucho> cherrot: 那是个苹果的显示器而已
[08:19] <yurakucho> cherrot: homebrew install pip？
[08:19] <cherrot> yurakucho, brew install pip
[08:19] <yurakucho> sudo easy_install pip
[08:19] <yurakucho> cherrot: brew告诉我这么来
[08:20] <cherrot> yurakucho, 赞 那就这么来吧 233
[08:21] <cherrot> yurakucho, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17271319/installing-pip-on-mac-os-x
[08:21] <ubrl> ⇪ t: python - Installing pip on Mac OS X - Stack Overflow
[08:21] <cherrot> yurakucho, 看我对你多好
[08:21] <cherrot> yurakucho, mac预装的py好像是2.7.6
[08:22] <yurakucho> cherrot: 告诉我怎么安装 ca-bundle
[08:22] <yurakucho> cherrot: 就是那一堆证书
[08:22] <cherrot> yurakucho, 没装过 出门右转google吧 为啥还要自己装咧？
[08:23] <yurakucho> cherrot: 我要搭建mutt环境，工作效率的根本
[08:24] <cherrot> yurakucho, 老司机
[08:26] <yurakucho> offlineimap终于起来了
[08:33] <cherrot> yurakucho, 老司机 offlineimap干啥用的
[08:33] <yurakucho> cherrot: imap嘛 邮件嘛
[08:33] <cherrot> yurakucho, offline干啥用的？
[08:35] <^k^> 取新帖 timeout
[08:39] <gebjgd> yurakucho, tb多好
[08:49] <^k^> 新 服务器维护和硬件相关 • VPN或者NAT过来的流量怎么转发到指定端口出去？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473808 通过配置ss-redi和防火墙，可以实现本机直接通过ss-redi的端口访问长城外，但VPN和NAT（其他电脑填写本机做网关的方法），过来的流量就不行了，请问在IPTABLES中有
[08:49] <^k^> ─> 办法做这两个流量的指定端口转发吗？？谢谢！！ 以下是本机通过7070端口访问长城的IPT …
[08:50] <^k^> 新 服务器维护和硬件相关 • VPN或者NAT过来的流量怎么转发到指定端口出去？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473809 通过配置ss-redi和防火墙，可以实现本机直接通过ss-redi的端口访问长城外，但VPN和NAT（其他电脑填写本机做网关的方法），过来的流量就不行了，请问在IPTABLES中有
[08:50] <^k^> ─> 办法做这两个流量的指定端口转发吗？？谢谢！！ 以下是本机通过7070端口访问长城的IPT …
[09:07] * tryit pycharm爽歪歪
[09:18] <onlylove__> 棒子文系统看来是起不来了
[09:32] <nervergiveup> quit
[09:53] <yurakucho> cherrot: app store里装东西 必须用icloud id?
[09:58] <lainme> 毅力菌又来论坛了。丧心病狂
[10:01] <cherrot> yurakucho, 没错
[10:04] <^k^> 新 Debian发行版 • vpn上网过慢 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473811 vpn登录后ping google速度还可以，但iceweasel就是打不开网页。 Code: ping www.google.com PING www.google.com (74.125.20.147) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from pe-in-f147.1e100.net (74.125.20.147): icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=207 ms 64 bytes from pe-in-f147.1e100.
[10:04] <^k^> ─> net (74.125.20.147): icmp_seq=2 ttl=47 time=210 ms 64 bytes from pe-in-f147.1e100.net (74.125.20.147): icmp_seq=3 ttl …
[11:43] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • 求助，win10 uefi+gpt下用U盘安装的双系统，如何正确卸载Ubuntu http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473812 求助，win10 uefi+gpt下用U盘安装的双系统，如何正确卸载Ubuntu zz: xinfujian — 2015-11-10 19:41
[11:47] <asdf2> 哎呀
[13:57] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 居然还在线
[13:59] <ulot0> 火拼啊
[14:36] <onlylove> java in a nutshell 看晕了……
[14:49] <onlylove> fields到底什么鬼
[14:49] <ulot0> 莫怒，怒时智商为零
[14:49] <onlylove> 顿时想起当时纠结hash是啥了
[14:49] <onlylove> 实际上至今不知道hash到底是啥
[14:49] <onlylove> 只知道是key和value的组合
[14:52] <Freebuilder> 囧
[14:57] <ulot0> ubrl, hello
[14:57] <ubrl> ulot0:点点点. 23:00
[15:30] <mjkr> can someone confirm to me that gist.github.com is undergoing a dns pollution attack from within people's republic of china?
[15:30] <mjkr> and kindly gives the polluted ip address. thanks!
[15:30] <mjkr> (english-response only, please!)
[15:31] <mjkr> (on windows gives the output of "nslookup gist.github.com 74.82.42.42", on linuces and bsds run "dig @74.82.42.42 gist.github.com")
[15:32] <CyrusYzGTt> Server: 74.82.42.42
[15:32] <CyrusYzGTt> Address: 74.82.42.42#53
[15:32] <CyrusYzGTt> Non-authoritative answer:
[15:32] <CyrusYzGTt> Name: gist.github.com
[15:32] <CyrusYzGTt> Address: 216.234.179.13
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ; <<>> DiG 9.9.5-9+deb8u3-Debian <<>> @74.82.42.42 gist.github.com
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ; (1 server found)
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ;; global options: +cmd
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ;; Got answer:
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 38760
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ;gist.github.com. IN A
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ;; ANSWER SECTION:
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> gist.github.com. 2848 IN A 216.234.179.13
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ;; Query time: 124 msec
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ;; SERVER: 74.82.42.42#53(74.82.42.42)
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ;; WHEN: Tue Nov 10 23:33:07 CST 2015
[15:33] <mjkr> CyrusYzGTt: enough. it is thus confirmed
[15:33] <CyrusYzGTt> ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 64
[15:34] <onlylove> CyrusYzGTt: 你这样刷屏不好吧……
[15:34] <mjkr> our queries reslve to the same address
[15:34] <CyrusYzGTt> onlylove§ 用 paste 麻烦，
[15:34] <mjkr> AS13911 Tera-byte Dot Com Inc.
[15:34] <CyrusYzGTt> onlylove§ 而且没有 类似 fedora 的 fpates.. 不习惯
[15:35] <mjkr> CyrusYzGTt: also mind confirming with me that the the address is hosting a 512 bit cert?
[15:35] <mjkr> it's a rarity
[15:36] <mjkr> on port 443
[15:38] <mjkr> whoever's on that end, i mounrn for him
[15:38] <mjkr> this is gonna be a ddos
[15:38] <CyrusYzGTt> laf
[15:39] <mjkr> CyrusYzGTt: huh?
[15:39] <onlylove> github又遭殃了么……
[15:40] <longlong> 有人吗
[15:40] <ubrl> longlong:点点点. 23:43
[15:40] <CyrusYzGTt> mjkr§ wither house maybe call China DDOS USA Interner
[15:40] <onlylove> http://www.solidot.org/story?sid=46117
[15:40] <ubrl> ⇪ t: Solidot | 新勒索软件针对Linux系统
[15:40] <DevOps> haha
[15:40] <CyrusYzGTt> onlylove§ 早就看过
[15:40] <mjkr> CyrusYzGTt: whoever's to visit gist.github.com from within prchina's now being redirected to tera-byte's customer. if this isn'ta ddos attack, give me one more exemplary
[15:40] <longlong> onlylove: 你用过ss-tunnel吗
[15:40] <DevOps> 可以说中文？
[15:41] <onlylove> longlong: 没
[15:41] <onlylove> DevOps: 你让一个不明国籍的讲中文？
[15:41] <longlong> CyrusYzGTt: 路由器开ss-redir时，需要用ss-tunnel来个udp转发吗
[15:41] <CyrusYzGTt> mjkr§ ..some words deep.. I don't know ...sorry
[15:41] <DevOps> 新手
[15:41] <onlylove> CyrusYzGTt: 以前不是劫持过百度的js什么的么
[15:41] <CyrusYzGTt> longlong§ ..不清楚
[15:42] <CyrusYzGTt> onlylove§ 貌似有过，， hao.qq.com 也被 劫持到 360
[15:42] <DevOps> 哈哈。这里是中文论坛，原来如此。
[15:42] <longlong> CyrusYzGTt: 你英语好厉害
[15:42] <longlong> some pussies deep
[15:43] <CyrusYzGTt> longlong§ 那是 pinyinish
[15:54] <longlong> sense8里面的妹子都很漂亮
[15:55] <ulot0> 五分钟倒数计时
[15:55] <ulot0> 哪里的妹子？
[15:56] <longlong> 美剧
[15:56] <longlong> ulot0: 你用过ss-tunnel没
[15:57] <longlong> ulot0: 路由器开全局代理，ss-redir 加iptables
[15:57] <longlong> 这个ss-tunnel
[15:57] <ulot0> longlong, 我没用过，你问一下onlylove吧，他很厉害
[15:57] <onlylove> ulot0: 他已经问过我了，我没用过
[15:58] <ulot0> 我淘宝了，别吵
[15:58] <longlong> 我想开全局代理去东京热下电影
[15:59] <majormen11989> 双十一来了。。
[16:01] <CyrusYzGTt> longlong§ 啥代理，拿来用
[16:15] <onlylove> 开全局……你的代理会被封吧，下那个，普通的bt就行了
[16:15] <onlylove> 或者用迅雷xware
[16:30] <yunfan> onlylove: 亚马逊上下单买了个美帝的 T100HA 价格+关税+运费 都比双11天猫的便宜 而且这个配置还高一级 天猫的2G ram+32G ssd 我买那个4G ram + 64G ssd
[16:31] <yunfan> 唯一缺点就是为了省钱没用加急快递 只用了个较快的
[16:32] <onlylove> yunfan: 国内税高啊，17个点呢
[16:34] <onlylove> yunfan: java这货，各种概念真TM多
[16:34] <yunfan> onlylove: 美帝的税也不低吧 他们得加 消费税+增值税 中国是普遍增值税 消费税用在奢侈品上
[16:34] <yunfan> onlylove: 多么
[16:35] <onlylove> yunfan: 主要是不好理解，各种声明方法都很像，我至今弄不懂那个field到底是啥，然后oracle给的解释貌似就是类内变量
[16:36] <onlylove> yunfan: 但是实际上貌似不是的
[16:36] <onlylove> yunfan: 因为那东西分class field和instance field
[16:37] <onlylove> 看解释和变量还是有一点区别，但是这点区别……
[16:37] <yunfan> onlylove: 这个好理解啊 class 和 instance你分不清 ？
[16:38] <onlylove> yunfan: 这个能分清
[16:38] <yunfan> onlylove: 全局共享 跟 自己保持的 区别
[16:39] <yunfan> 看电影去 不扯淡
[16:39] <onlylove> yunfan: 但是field和variable呢
[16:39] <onlylove> 这个点看毛线电影，恐怖片？
[16:40] <onlylove> A class can be viewed as a collection of data (also referred to as state) and code to operate on that state. The data is stored in fields, and the code is organized into methods.
[16:41] <onlylove> 这一句把我困扰半天了
[16:42] <onlylove> 我开始怀疑自己英语没学好了
[16:53] <yunfan> onlylove: 看中文就是了
[16:53] <onlylove> yunfan: 到时候再说吧，构造器啥的，我完全没概念
[16:59] <yunfan> onlylove: 居然在一个自由共产主义的网站下到了 米与盐的时代 这个科幻小说的英文版 真你妈科幻
[17:07] <onlylove> 为毛我还是觉得脚本语言比较好懂
[17:09] <yunfan> 我叫你学python 你自己要装逼 没办法
[17:10] <onlylove> 安卓又不用python
[17:11] <onlylove> 我觉得还是去找本中文的对照着看下
[17:11] <onlylove> 睡觉
[17:12] <onlylove> 又要transfer到别的部门，这公司太TM扯淡
[23:59] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • 如何改变GRUB2字体大小。 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473816 我用的Ubuntu 14.04 4K15寸屏幕，不想调低GRUB的分辨率，但字太小了。所以我想修改GRUB字体大小，可是照着这个 http://blog.csdn.net/lqg1122/article/details/7351347 做了，即替换 /usr/share/grub目录下的unicode.p
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-app-devel
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[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[10:20] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/108188125572924200710/posts/1LuS69FVpBK
[13:51] <sturmflut> popey, sverzegnassi: Feels like the Document Viewer on my E4.5 now renders PDF files faster than evince on the desktop o_O
[13:51] <popey> hehe
[13:58] <justCarakas> can't wait till it the ppt viewer functionality of the Document Viewer lands in the store
[15:47] <ahayzen> balloons, does the new jenkins bot make use of the new launchpad hooks or does it still poll every 15mins?
[15:47] <balloons> ahayzen, it's still polling every few mins
[15:47] <balloons> ahayzen, the hooks stuff wasn't quite done at the time, but I'd be happy to move to it
[15:47] <ahayzen> ah cool :-)
[15:48] <ahayzen> balloons, and are any of the projects running autopilot from the bot yet? i think music+weather are still skipping?
[15:48] <balloons> yes, they are indeed atm
[15:49] <balloons> the old system has just been shut off. We'll turn it back on when we can dedicate a little time to making sure trunks pass
[15:50] <balloons> I can start by having it run, but not fail if it fails
[15:50] <ahayzen> ok :-)
[18:01] <voldyman> hey i wanted to change the DNS server programatically, is there an API for it?
[18:02] <ogra_> heh, that would be quite a security flaw if any app could just change your DNS to one that rewrites urls to fishing sites
[18:03] <voldyman> maybe require permissions for it or something
[18:04] <ogra_> well, i dont think there is an API for that
[18:04] <ogra_> network-manager might expose the info on dbus ... but i doubt you can change it through that
[18:04] * voldyman fires up d-feet
[18:48] * popey wonders if anyone has strong opinions on the colour scheme in the file manager app ...
[18:49] <voldyman> my terminal is my file manager
[18:51] <popey> hehe
[20:20] * popey plays with the file manager colour scheme... http://imgur.com/p84BPjd
[20:20] <popey> opinions sought
[20:24] <davmor2> popey: either make the folders and home a shade darker, or the header and places a shade lighter and I think you are a winner
[20:24] <popey> http://imgur.com/fHTHGYR better
[20:25] <ahayzen> popey, looks like a nautilus replacement already ;-)
[20:25] <popey> side by side comparison
[20:25] <popey> heh
[20:25] <popey> insert dog picture meme "I don't know what I'm doing"
[20:25] <ahayzen> heh
[20:26] <ahayzen> popey, your keeping both dark and light right? and have it configurable ;-)
[20:26] <popey> shut your face
[20:26] * ahayzen thinks all coreapps should have a ambience and radiance or suru light/dark like themes
[20:27] <popey> I agree!
[20:27] <davmor2> popey: I think the greys are basically too close to each other, another shade or two difference and it will stand out more with out looking ugly, but it makes reading the text much easier
[20:27] <popey> sadly these are ubuntu standard colours
[20:28] <sverzegnassi> music-app looks better with a dark theme only, imho ^_^
[20:28] <popey> yeah, part of me thinks we should keep the dark theme
[20:28] <popey> because it stands out a bit
[20:28] <ahayzen> popey, there should be a canonical theme where it uses the purple palette for the corporate look ;-)
[20:28] <popey> hah
[20:28] <davmor2> popey: if you keep the dark just lighten the lower text so it is more readable
[20:28] <popey> I think the dark filemanager theme needs work
[20:28] <ahayzen> yeah i agree, but i think it should be user configurable
[20:29] <popey> in fact, the file manager could go darker to bring it in line with music :)
[20:29] <popey> and terminal :)
[20:29] <ahayzen> \o/
[20:29] <popey> Also need to move fm to uc1.3
[20:29] <popey> not even started looking at that yet
[20:30] <ahayzen> have fun with that ;-)
[20:30] <popey> actually, the colours on fm will change if I bump to 1.3 wont they
[20:30] <ahayzen> the header will change quite a bit
[20:30] <popey> and other random things
[20:30] <ahayzen> try it see what happens!
[20:31] <popey> haha, i expect it wont build :)
[20:31] <popey> and I'll get issues with listitems and things
[20:31] <ahayzen> you should be able to use the old listitems alongside
[20:31] <ahayzen> (that's what our WIP weather bump does, and we have a separate branch to bump the listitems)
[20:32] <popey> hmmm
[20:36] <popey> uhhh
[20:36] <popey> http://imgur.com/0tmMvEW
[20:36] <popey> guess which one is uc1.3
[20:37] <popey> File manager in "Where'd my header go!" shocker
[20:40] <popey> sverzegnassi, did you see my reply the other day about those office docs? they all opened fine on nexus 4?
[20:40] <sverzegnassi> popey: no, i was at uni that day and there was a bad wifi connection. i guess i've missed the message
[20:41] <popey> okay, well good news!
[20:41] <popey> they open :)
[20:42] <sverzegnassi> ok, then my suspect about the RAM usage may be right. On the E5 (1GB RAM) one of those documents was not loaded.
[20:46] <ahayzen> popey, hahaha
[20:58] <mcphail> Can anyone get the qmake/qml template in the SDK to produce a valid .click package? I get errors where it fails to find the .desktop file
[21:04] <mcphail> I think it may be something to do with the .desktop file needing to be modified for translations. Perhaps this step isn't being called by qmake?
[21:16] <popey> mcphail, what version of the sdk?
[21:16] <popey> mcphail, i haven't updated for a few days and bzoltan_ said he was gonna update the sdk
[21:17] <popey> I am scared to update
[21:21] <mcphail> popey: whatever comes as stock with 15.10 - let me check
[21:22] <mcphail> popey: QtC 3.5.0
[21:22] <mcphail> I haven't used the qmake template before, but thought this was going to be becoming the default
[21:24] <mcphail> I don't know enough about qmake to debug
[21:26] <popey> ditto
[21:27] <popey> ahayzen, so should I be able to just remove import Ubuntu.Components.ListItems 1.0 as ListItem
[21:27] <popey> and it use the ListItem from uc 1.3?
[21:27] * popey flails around
[21:27] <ahayzen> erm maybe, if they haven't used swipe actions etc
[21:29] <ahayzen> popey, you mean in this file? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-filemanager-dev/ubuntu-filemanager-app/trunk/view/head:/src/app/qml/components/FolderListDelegate.qml
[21:29] <popey> ya
[21:29] <popey> as well as all the others :)
[21:30] <ahayzen> :-)
[21:31] <ahayzen> popey, I assume if you remove the listitems import and change ListItem.Subtitled to ListItem {} it'll complain about the use of subText:
[21:31] <popey> yeah
[21:32] <popey> need to do this when I have a clear head :)
[21:32] <ahayzen> :-)
[21:37] <sverzegnassi> popey, have a look at the ListItemLayout component. It makes a bit easier to play with ListItem slots
[21:37] <popey> thanks
[21:37] <sverzegnassi> (and breaks a bit of Autopilot tests)
[21:38] <sverzegnassi> https://code.launchpad.net/~verzegnassi-stefano/ubuntu-docviewer-app/reboot-uitk13-listitemlayout
[21:38] <sverzegnassi> here's an example in docviewer
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[05:08] <pitti> utlemming: systemd.postinst translates these old upstart specific options (nobootwait and optional) to the standard "nofail"; please don't use these in new code
[05:09] <pitti> smoser: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules shold be in the initramfs, yes; is it not?
[05:09] <pitti> Good morning
[05:14] <Unit193> Howdy, pitti. Any way you can fix policykit/dbus/systemd such that restarting dbus (or whatever happened) doesn't require a hard reset?
[05:14] <pitti> Unit193: restarting dbus has never been supported
[05:15] <pitti> Unit193: everything that connects to it will die, like half of your desktop
[05:15] <pitti> not related to polkit or dbus, for these in particular restaritng dbus is fine
[05:15] <Unit193> pitti: I understand this, but something seems to have reset or restarted dbus and the only thing I could do was reboot -f to restart it. Vivid even handled it better than that.
[05:16] <Unit193> I know lightdm and NM die, that's fine. systemctl failing on every command is not good, though.
[05:16] <pitti> Unit193: run systemctl as root
[05:16] <Unit193> Did.
[05:16] <pitti> hm, systmed has its own private dbus server, it shold talk to that when dbus is down or not installed; but that might be different if it was restarted
[05:16] <Unit193> (As in, sudo -i and sudo systemctl fooo, nothing worked. As I said, reboot -f was the only thing.)
[05:16] <pitti> so that might need a systemclt daemon-reexec
[05:16] <Unit193> I did that.
[05:16] <pitti> Unit193: ok, that's news to me
[05:18] <Unit193> pitti: So open to debugging/fixing? :)
[05:18] <pitti> yes, I guess so :)
[05:19] <Unit193> Thank you very much!
[05:24] <pitti> stgraber: once I have an lxd image cached locally, can I do "lxc launch ubuntu/wily/amd64 w1" somehow? (that doesn't work); i. e. like "images:ubuntu/wily/amd64", but using the already cached local copy
[06:14] <hallyn> pitti: you can add aliases to teh already-downloaded images, yes. 'lxc image list', then 'lxc image alias create x1 <some-sha1>'
[06:14] <hallyn> then you can just lxc launch x1 c1
[06:16] <hallyn> pitti: wasn't following previous conv; you might also be better off using lxd-images.
[06:16] <pitti> hallyn: ah, is that what's done on https://images.linuxcontainers.org:8443 ?
[06:17] <pitti> hallyn: I mean, I find it convenient to do this name-based lookup with distro/release/arch instead of having to look up and use UUIDs
[06:17] <pitti> stgraber, hallyn: lxc/lxd is really nice, many thanks for that!
[06:18] <hallyn> pitti: right, you're really meant to do 'lxd-images download ubuntu --alias wily wily amd64'
[06:18] <pitti> it even works for rebooting xenial containers :) (curiously)
[06:18] <hallyn> orly
[06:18] <pitti> and the remote feature is nice, we could set up armhf testing in scalingstack with that
[06:20] <hallyn> the reason i've not been helpful with the reboot problem actualy is that most ofthe time right now if i type 'reboot' nothing happens. i need to set up a good test vm. (that and i'm really hoping to finish cgroup namespaces)
[06:20] <pitti> I guess it's time to add an lxd autopkgtest virt backend :)
[06:21] <hallyn> that should shake out some interesting bugs
[06:25] <pitti> hallyn: uh, reboot is broken for you?
[06:27] <hallyn> yeah, just hangs
[06:27] <pitti> stgraber: do you plan to add xenial lxd images soon? now that there's no debootstrap any more, we'd need these from pretty much day 1
[06:35] <stgraber> pitti: lxd-images pulls from cloud images' release stream so we'd need CPC to publish something in that stream (or you can force with --stream daily)
[06:36] <stgraber> pitti: as for old school images on images.linuxcontainers.org, Jenkins is configured but is failing to produce them due to debootstrap in trusty not knowing about xenial, that should be fixed very soon as there's an SRU in -proposed right now
[06:36] <pitti> stgraber: oh, interesting; so that'll hopefully be quicker again next cycle when the new-style cloud images have settled down
[06:36] <pitti> stgraber: SRU of distro-info-data you mean? thanks for the heads-up
[06:37] <stgraber> yeah, we're trying to standardize on the same images for all cloudy products :)
[06:37] <pitti> until then this could be emulated by creating a wily container, dist-upgrading it, and importing it as image, right?
[06:37] <pitti> (pretty much what I do with cloud images too)
[06:37] <stgraber> pitti: nope, debootstrap itself, for the symlink
[06:37] <pitti> ah
[06:37] <stgraber> pitti: yep, that's how I've been dealing with xenial so far, take wily and upgrade :)
[06:38] <stgraber> actually, let me release it, it's at 6 days now, that's long enough :)
[06:38] <stgraber> done
[06:39] <stgraber> and now off to bed :)
[06:40] <pitti> stgraber: bonne nuit !
[07:24] <alexlist> wgrant: Is linking against e.g. libboost-program-options1.58 but disabling the CXX 11 ABI something that should work?
[07:25] <alexlist> wgrant: e.g., on 15.10, g++ -o main main.cc -lboost_program_options -D_GLIBCXX_USE_CXX11_ABI=0
[07:28] <alexlist> Actually that is a question for a larger audience...
[07:39] <alexlist> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boost1.58/+bug/1514717
[07:52] <wgrant> alexlist: wily's libraries are built with the C++11 ABI; you're not going to have much luck linking objects for another ABI against them.
[07:52] <alexlist> wgrant: thx, that's what I feared. So essentially if you depend on a closed source 3rdparty library you are in trouble...
[07:53] <wgrant> Right, proprietary C++ libraries are a bad idea, as the ABI tends to break every few years.
[07:54] <wgrant> Though GCC is a lot better than MSVC on that front, I suppose.
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[10:00] <pgquiles_> alexlist: workaround: distribute your own boost and use $ORIGIN in the application
[10:23] <pitti> mvo: meh, bug 1510060 wasn't magically fixed after all :(
[10:24] <mvo> pitti: its back? meh :(
[10:31] <seb128> @pilot in
[11:38] * dholbach hugs seb128
[11:38] <dholbach> go go go!
[11:39] <davmor2> dholbach: okay we get it you like golang but seriously you don't need to should about it ;)
[11:43] <dholbach> shout? :)
[11:47] <davmor2> dholbach: yeah shout aswell
[11:58] * seb128 hugs dholbach back
[12:17] <mdeslaur> @pilot in
[12:23] <seb128> mdeslaur, do you start in a particular order? just to not conflict
[12:23] <seb128> mdeslaur, hey btw ;-)
[12:23] <mdeslaur> seb128: nah, no particular order...you?
[12:24] <seb128> mdeslaur, I was starting from the most recents
[12:25] <seb128> but I did skip over a few ones and started in the yellow section now
[12:25] <mdeslaur> seb128: I'll take cups
[12:25] <seb128> mdeslaur, seems like security related, have fun ;-)
[12:26] <seb128> mdeslaur, feel to take the dovecot/apparmor one as well
[12:26] <mdeslaur> ok
[12:48] <seb128> slangasek, hey, could you have a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sbsigntool/+bug/1511108 ?
[13:16] <seb128> jibel, hey, could you get (or do you know who could) https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-test-cases/fix_minimal_image_size_test/+merge/235298 merged?
[13:17] <matsubara> rbasak, ^
[13:21] <jibel> seb128, sure, let me find someone
[13:22] <seb128> jibel, thanks
[13:22] <seb128> jibel, it's in the sponsoring queue (I guess since Laney's changes) so would be good to get merged
[13:23] <jibel> seb128, actually matsubara or rbasak can do it, it's a server branch
[13:23] <seb128> j
[13:23] <seb128> matsubara, rbasak, ^
[13:23] <seb128> jibel, thanks
[13:23] <matsubara> seb128, I don't have permission, that's why I pinged rbasak. He's the one who usually merge in my changes
[13:30] <seb128> matsubara, k
[13:34] <mdeslaur> seb128: I'll take the xscreensaver merge
[13:40] <rbasak> matsubara: otp, please ping again if I forget.
[13:54] <dgadomski> hey pitti, could you please take a look at debdiffs for bug 1337873
[14:03] <elijah> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2013/02/15/developers-get-the-full-support-they-need/ says there is an #ubuntu-phone but when I try to join it says I need an invitation.
[14:04] <elijah> Anyone know when this will be open?
[14:04] <Laney> Is it meant to be #ubuntu-touch?
[14:04] <Laney> dpm: ^?
[14:05] <brendand> elijah, that's quite an old blog post, #ubuntu-touch exists
[14:05] <dpm> I thought someone had set up a redirect a long time ago
[14:05] <dpm> popey, ? ^^
[14:05] <Laney> presumably the blog post could be edited anyway
[14:05] <dpm> let's see who else gets pinged in the chain :-)
[14:05] <elijah> Okay, so #ubuntu-touch is the official channel?
[14:06] <brendand> elijah, but if you're an app developer there is a full channel just for you - #ubuntu-app-devel
[14:06] <popey> yes
[14:06] <popey> will get the redirect fixed
[14:06] <brendand> popey, but ubuntu-app-devel is more appropriate for application developers
[14:06] <brendand> popey, as i'm sure you'd agree
[14:06] <popey> (I know)
[14:06] <elijah> #ubuntu-touch has a much larger user list
[14:06] <elijah> I am in both though
[14:07] <elijah> I am getting ready to ditch Android, just trying to get started
[14:08] <elijah> Will ubuntu-touch and ubuntu-app-devel eventually become one channel?
[14:09] <elijah> I thought we are moving towards unified apps
[14:12] <slangasek> seb128: yep, it's in my queue
[14:12] <seb128> slangasek, thanks
[14:22] <pitti> dgadomski: you are already reviewing this with Guus, no? I'm not familiar with the ifupdown code and this is rather intrusive
[14:23] <pitti> dgadomski: i. e. could we get this reviewed and landed in sid and xenial for a bit before we backport? this has a really high regression potential
[14:25] <dgadomski> pitti: sure, this is a backport of Guus change already present in debian git repo
[14:25] <pitti> dgadomski: ah, it is? godo
[14:25] <dgadomski> pitti: although I think it has not been released yet
[14:25] <pitti> dgadomski: right, the bug is still open
[14:31] <dgadomski> pitti: it has already been tested in several different environments so it is known to at least fix this bug, releasing to xenial may help us make sure about regressions
[14:32] <pitti> dgadomski: right, so I'm fine with the xenial upload, but I'd give the SRUs some time
[14:33] <dgadomski> pitti: agreed, I'll keep testing it in xenial
[14:34] <seb128> sil2100, hey, what's the status of https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/livecd-rootfs/fix-apt-lists-rm-hook/+merge/273117 ? could you get ogra or somebody who usually upload those changes to review?
[14:35] <seb128> ogra_, https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/ubuntu/wily/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-core/new-and-old/+merge/274875 is in the sponsoring queue, is that something you are still reviewing for mvo?
[14:36] <ogra_> seb128, i'll sing it off once it is ready (requores a lot of other architectural changes first)
[14:37] <ogra_> i thought the apt list removal landed ages ago ... will pull it inot the next livecd-rootfs upload
[14:37] <seb128> ogra_, thanks, the removal landed it seems but that's a follow up to fix small issues
[14:37] <ogra_> ah
[14:40] <smoser> pitti, yeah. even on my physical system, it doesn't show up. http://paste.ubuntu.com/13216207/
[14:42] <smoser> pitti, do you have it in yours ?
[14:43] <davmor2> hey pitti did you get home in the end or are you working from ausitn?
[14:48] <Unit193> mdeslaur: Thanks!
[14:48] <mdeslaur> Unit193: yw!
[14:49] <mvo> ogra_: fwiw, we could land it now it is fully backward compatible, but I don't mind either way
[14:55] <pitti> smoser: I'm back home, the third flight worked after all :)
[14:55] <pitti> smoser: what is "it" in "it does not show up"?
[14:56] <smoser> pitti, persistent networking
[14:57] <smoser> per
smoser: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules shold be in the initramfs, yes; is it not?
[14:57] <seb128> jibel, and do you know who would be right to review https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/remove-ceph-lxc-floodlight/+merge/240144 ?
[14:57] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/lvm-grub-preseed-fix/+merge/258620 as well
[14:58] <psivaa> seb128: the latter should be rejected. I'll do that
[14:58] <seb128> psivaa, thanks
[14:59] <pitti> smoser: could you please add set -x to /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev and do "sudo update-initramfs -u"?
[14:59] <sil2100> seb128: ok, I'll try getting someone to review that ASAP
[15:00] <pitti> smoser: when I touch /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and update, my initrd gets it
[15:00] <seb128> sil2100, thanks
[15:00] <smoser> pitti, sure.
[15:01] <smoser> pitti, looking at /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev
[15:01] <smoser> its based on NEED_PERSISTENT_NET
[15:02] <psivaa> seb128: sil2100: https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/lvm-grub-preseed-fix/+merge/258620 could also be reviewed please. I was talking with a bad memory when I said that should be rejected
[15:02] <pitti> smoser: oh sorry, which release is that?
[15:02] <smoser> i dont know why you'd get it, though. either you must have configured it, or 'root_over_the_network' would be true for your system (which would seem odd)
[15:02] <pitti> smoser: this is gone from wily
[15:03] <smoser> why?
[15:03] <pitti> smoser: >= wily just copies everything in /etc/udev/rules.d/ into the initramfs (which doesn't have a counterpart in /lib/udev/rules.d/, i. e. all custom rules)
[15:03] <pitti> because we can't know which bits apply to the initrd
[15:03] <pitti> smoser: I mean the specific check is gone from wily
[15:04] <jibel> seb128, both are for the server team
[15:04] <seb128> jibel, k, the merges mention daily iso testing so I was unsure if that was a QA thing
[15:05] <seb128> who is in the server team that could be pinged about those? ;-)
[15:05] <jibel> seb128, yes but the server team manages its own tests
[15:05] <jibel> seb128, matsubara or rbasak
[15:05] <seb128> jamespage, ^ you own lp:ubuntu-test-cases/server it seems, can you get those reviewed?
[15:05] <seb128> rbasak, matsubara, ^
[15:06] <seb128> they are sitting there for around a year
[15:06] <seb128> we should get them out of the sponsoring queue if we can :-)
[15:06] <seb128> jibel, thanks
[15:15] <smoser> pitti, i'm looking at wily system up to date.
[15:15] <smoser> it most definitely includes /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules based on NEED_PERSISTENT_NET
[15:16] <smoser> maybe you meant 'I mean the specific check is gone from XENIAL'
[15:16] <smoser> ?
[15:20] <smoser> am i missing something?
[15:21] <pitti> smoser: no, I meant http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-systemd/systemd.git;a=commitdiff;h=022e24e5b3 which is in wily
[15:21] <pitti> smoser: in my wily VM I don't see anything "NEED*" in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev ?
[15:22] <pitti> smoser: indeed in older releases there was a check like that, as apparently someone thought back then that we don't need the interface names in initrd yet (i. e. without taking the iscsi use case into account)
[15:22] <smoser> grep NEED /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev
[15:22] <smoser> if [ -z "$NEED_PERSISTENT_NET" ] && root_over_the_network; then
[15:22] <smoser> NEED_PERSISTENT_NET='yes'
[15:22] <smoser> case "$NEED_PERSISTENT_NET" in
[15:22] <smoser> $ dpkg -S /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev
[15:22] <smoser> udev: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/udev
[15:22] <smoser> $ dpkg-query --show udev
[15:22] <smoser> udev 219-7ubuntu6
[15:22] <pitti> well, that's not wily :)
[15:22] <smoser> $%&*#
[15:23] <smoser> smoser stop being an idiot
[15:23] <smoser> i swear that system was wily a minute ago :)
[15:23] <pitti> smoser: so yes, in vivid this was still the case
[15:23] <smoser> thank you
[15:23] <pitti> smoser: is that important for an SRU?
[15:23] <smoser> maybe i would need this for trusty.
[15:24] <pitti> in principle it should apply, but I had thought the existing NEED checks should apply to iscei
[15:24] <smoser> but not tat the moment.
[15:24] <smoser> the path would be to support iscsi root and ibft
[15:24] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-iscsi/+bug/1513254
[15:24] <smoser> is where this came up, was just looking at the path that would include ibft for iscsi
[15:28] <seb128> mdeslaur, unsure it's still worth doing SRUs to vivid for non critical issues
[15:29] <seb128> mdeslaur, btw when do you set mps to merged? to you actually push to the udd vcs?
[15:29] <mdeslaur> seb128: yeah, didn't think it was worth it either, but sru team can decide
[15:29] <mdeslaur> seb128: when I upload the package
[15:29] <mdeslaur> I don't actually udd merge it
[15:30] <seb128> mdeslaur, k, you put https://code.launchpad.net/~e7appew/ubuntu/vivid/deluge/fix-set-trackers-cherry-picked/+merge/271221 to approved and not mergd though?
[15:30] <mdeslaur> seb128: hrm, what do you usually do?
[15:30] * mdeslaur has no idea what to set that to
[15:30] <seb128> mdeslaur, I set it to merged when I upload to get it out of the queue summary
[15:31] <seb128> but I'm not sure it's right either ;-)
[15:31] <mdeslaur> ok, I'll set it to merged too
[15:31] <seb128> just avoiding having items staying on the queue
[15:31] <mdeslaur> I thought approved got it out of the queue, but merge works for me too :P
[15:31] <seb128> for the same reason I also unsubscribe ubuntu-sponsors from SRU bugs because it takes a while to get them to fix released
[15:31] <seb128> ok, maybe it does
[15:31] <seb128> but then they stay in that state
[15:32] <seb128> merged is done ;-)
[15:32] <mdeslaur> sounds good, merged from now on
[15:32] <seb128> thanks
[15:33] <seb128> xnox, you asked details on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/+bug/1472314 and got a reply and the submitter pinged since, you might want to have another look? ;-)
[15:34] <xnox> seb128: i do not currently have internet at home. so i cannot do any ubuntu stuff at the moment.
[15:34] <seb128> xnox, no worry, enjoy the quiet time without internet disturbances ;-)
[15:36] <mdeslaur> I wish I didn't have internet :)
[15:36] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, do you plan to deal with an eventual trusty SRU for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1459872 ?
[15:37] <seb128> mdeslaur, yeah, who needs a job anyway :p
[15:38] <cyphermox> seb128: yes, that's the plan
[15:38] <seb128> cyphermox, no need of keeping it in the sponsoring queue then?
[15:38] <cyphermox> ah, no. sorry, I didn't notice it was
[15:39] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[15:41] <seb128> cyphermox, same for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/277903 ,
[15:41] <seb128> it's assigned to you
[15:41] <cyphermox> yes
[15:42] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[15:43] <seb128> Sarvatt, do we still care about vivid for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1506107 ?
[15:45] <Sarvatt> seb128: trusty's lts-vivid at least
[15:45] <Sarvatt> that's whats shipping on OEM machines till 16.04
[15:47] <mdeslaur> seb128: did you forget to actually unsubscribe sponsors here? 1506536
[15:47] <mdeslaur> bug 1506536
[15:47] <seb128> mdeslaur, seems I did!
[15:48] <seb128> Sarvatt, is tjaalton or robert_ancell going to sponsor that SRU for you?
[15:50] <Sarvatt> seb128: tseliot just said he would
[15:52] <seb128> great
[15:52] <seb128> tseliot, Sarvatt, thanks
[15:52] <tseliot> yw
[16:06] <seb128> smoser, pitti, mvo, there is an update patch on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/525674 since you reviewed the previous version and had comment could you maybe have another look to the updated one?
[16:09] <smoser> seb128, done.
[16:10] <smoser> please sponsor that for xenial
[16:13] <seb128> smoser, thanks
[16:16] * smoser says thank you. cpaelzer best.fix.ever!
[16:19] <seb128> mvo, ^ maybe you merge that back in update-notifier's vcs? ;-)
[16:22] <seb128> @pilot out
[16:22] <seb128> dholbach, do you know if it was discussed listed the newest sponsoring entries first on the page?
[16:22] <mdeslaur> @pilot out
[16:22] <dholbach> seb128, no... maybe Laney knows?
[16:22] * dholbach hugs mdeslaur
[16:23] * mdeslaur hugs dholbach back
[16:23] <seb128> @pilot out
[16:23] <seb128> oh, I just did that :p
[16:24] <seb128> dholbach, my rational would be that the top of the page is always year old difficult items that probably most people skips over
[16:24] <seb128> but some new comers might also try to get to one, find it difficult, go the next one, same and then give up
[16:24] <seb128> I think it would be less discouraging to have the newest ones first
[16:24] <dholbach> you can sort it the other way if you click on the title
[16:24] <dholbach> but I'm happy either way
[16:24] <seb128> lol
[16:24] <seb128> I know that, I also sort it first thing
[16:25] <seb128> well, I just wanted to mention it, I've no strong opinion
[16:26] <seb128> and I do try to tackle some ancient ones ;-)
[16:26] <Laney> no
[16:26] <Laney> not discussed
[16:26] <Laney> I think it's bad we have ancient stuff there
[16:27] <seb128> yeah, it is
[16:27] <seb128> but sorting them first obviously doesn't resolve the issue
[16:27] <seb128> it just means people who know what they are doing skip over those and others might think things are just impossible to review
[16:31] <mterry> seb128, mdeslaur: stop piloting so hard, you make the rest of us look bad :)
[16:31] <seb128> lol
[16:31] <mdeslaur> slackers :)
[16:31] <seb128> mterry, there are some easy items left, help yourself ;-)
[16:31] <seb128> like the 2 most recent ones
[16:32] <pitti> seb128: bon travail sur le "sponsoring queue" !
[16:32] <seb128> pitti, merci !
[16:32] <seb128> mdeslaur, you could have handled https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/electrum/+bug/1481033 since it's a security one :-)
[16:32] <seb128> replacing it with a dummy binary
[16:33] <mdeslaur> I've been the bad guy twice now for doing that, first sun-java, then owncloud
[16:33] <mdeslaur> I'll get someone else get the death threats this time :)
[16:34] <mdeslaur> s/get/let/
[16:35] <Chipaca> xnox: o/
[16:35] <Chipaca> xnox: any news on bug 1025555? (cjwatson mentions you need to follow up something with intel?)
[16:36] <xnox> hm.
[16:36] <xnox> yes and no.
[16:36] <xnox> in a meeting now.
[16:37] <Chipaca> xnox: i'd assumed i was going to get an async answer; no hurry :)
[16:43] <seb128> cyphermox, did you say you would handle the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/1441095 modemmanager/n-m uploads for trusty as well?
[16:46] <cyphermox> I'll do all these sponsorings this PM
[16:48] <roadmr> heya folks. I'd like the checkbox package to stop building all its binaries altogether. Is it OK for the ubuntu branch to contain just the debian directory which will build the required transitional packages?
[17:00] <pitti> infinity, kees, stgraber, slangasek, mdeslaur: TB meeting
[17:32] <seb128> xnox, in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/2:4.1.11+dfsg-1ubuntu1 you did
[17:32] <seb128> - reload nmbd 2>/dev/null
[17:32] <seb128> + service nmbd reload 2>/dev/null
[17:32] <seb128> but that seems buggy (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1385868)
[17:33] <seb128> debian uses
[17:33] <seb128> [ ! -f /var/run/samba/nmbd.pid ] || kill -HUP `cat /var/run/samba/nmbd.pid`
[17:33] <seb128> should we go back to that
[17:33] <slangasek> yes we should
[17:33] <slangasek> :)
[17:33] <seb128> or is there a better version of that line?
[17:33] <slangasek> no there's not
[17:33] <seb128> slangasek, thanks
[17:33] <slangasek> not one that is boot-system-agnostic
[17:33] <seb128> unsure why we changed it in the first place
[17:33] <seb128> k
[17:33] <seb128> I guess because we were upstart centric
[17:37] <ogra_> could someone bump the score of https://launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/+archive/ubuntu/image/+build/8284490 ? (sits there saying "15 min" since over 1h
[17:37] <ogra_> )
[17:38] <cjwatson> ogra_: done
[17:38] <ogra_> thanks
[17:38] <cjwatson> unusually long armhf queue
[17:38] <ogra_> do we know why livecd-rootfs is arch any ?
[17:38] <ogra_> i guess i asked that before
[17:38] <cjwatson> changelog does
[17:38] * ogra_ reads
[17:39] <ogra_> ah, android :/
[19:29] <hallyn> xnox: any time this week to pick up the shadow pkg? :)
[19:35] <gAtheos> Hey, I am a computer science student and I am looking to contribute to development of Ubuntu in some way, does anyone have any advice or some direction for where I could go or what I could do?
[19:44] <TJ-> gAtheos: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu#Maintaining_Ubuntu
[20:14] <slangasek> pitti: http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/c/cantor/xenial/armhf/ - I guess it's going to be a bit more difficult now to reproduce these tests exactly given the new pinning handling, and the test output doesn't say *what* packages are uninstallable; any advice on debugging?
[20:14] <cyphermox> gAtheos: the easiest way to start is probably to pick some software that you're interested in and see if you can triage or fix bugs, etc. starting with something you know and use helps.
[20:16] <slangasek> pitti: and ppc64el gets timeout connecting to systemd :/ http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/c/cantor/xenial/ppc64el/
[20:25] <slangasek> Laney: how does mathgl 2.3.3-3build2 count as a rebuild if you're changing debian/control...?
[20:28] <slangasek> Laney: the gsl transition has gotten wedged in with the ocaml and giflib transitions fwiw
[20:29] <slangasek> also mathgl apparently needs porting to the new gsl
[21:07] <gAtheos> cyphermox: That is what I am trying to do. I found a bitesize bug in RhythmBox and have been following the instructions found here: http://goo.gl/V3zA6j and I have just been having a lot of trouble. I have no doubt I will be able to contribute once I get started, but I have no experience doing this and the examples and walkthroughs seem lacking
[21:30] <cyphermox> gAtheos: yes, it's a bit outdated. You probably should just grab the code using 'pull-lp-source rhythmbox' to start hacking on it rather than creating a repo.
[21:42] <gAtheos> cyphermox: I'll have to try that once I get home
[22:43] <sil2100> cyphermox: hey! Another no-change rebuild - this one would be a 'just in case' rebuild, as the package fails to install for other reasons right now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-3.6/+bug/1515031
[22:43] <sil2100> cyphermox: still, the packages depend on ocaml so I would feel better if this gets released anyway
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-ops
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[02:48] <TJ-> can someone deal with tux38 in #ubuntu again please
[02:51] <TJ-> !ops | tux38 in #ubuntu trolling
[02:54] <Unit193> TJ-: Pici got it.
[02:54] <TJ-> yeah, saw that
[02:55] <TJ-> That 'person' seems to have made a habit of that; with tux38 or wicktux over several months. Can't figure out what they get out of it
[11:13] <k1l> tellyouwhat now insulting me in pm after i muted him and told him in pm that #u is for technical support only.
[11:13] <k1l> and he clearly doesnt want support using elementary and just ranting about ubuntu
[11:17] <popey> that was clear
[11:17] <popey> people jumped on him way too much
[11:17] <popey> IMHO
[11:17] <popey> seems people were willing to pounce just because he dared utter "the e word" even if it was just to make a comparison
[11:17] <popey> (I'm still not convinced he actually wants support as such)
[15:13] <Pricey> I've been hoping to extend an olive branch as I've seen some of us are not too happy with the current situation.
[15:15] <Pricey> I've sat on both sides and some of what I've read about has always been the case, always sucked & could always use more effort.
[15:16] <Unit193> Either I'm noticing it a lot more, or it's been a lot worse, TBH. :/
[15:16] <Pricey> Other things, really not happy to hear about.
[15:18] <Unit193> Quite understandably.
[15:34] <bazhang> I put it down to seasonal/holiday stress
[15:35] <bazhang> it happens
[15:36] <bazhang> that, plus the somewhat uneven timezone distribution of who is available
[15:37] <bazhang> so eight-ten hours of bupkis, then the rest multiple available
[15:39] <Pricey> Yeah, we've always been weighted towards US/EU but we do have a bunch in that big gap too. Coverage always depends.
[15:40] <bazhang> as far as sharp tongues go, the olden days of staff had some very shall we say 'direct' staffers
[15:42] <Pricey> I was quite surprised to see the recent ones!
[15:45] <bazhang> thats like a summer picnic with mint julep tea compared to times past
[15:46] <bazhang> one final factor that comes into play, in my own estimation, is the number of staff/ubuntu members is near zero of late
[15:47] <bazhang> in prior years, corey nalioth, and many other staffers were both, and there was much better communication/coordination on both sides
[15:51] <Pricey> I love that.
[15:52] <Pricey> Before I became staff, we complained about our friends becoming staffers and not helping us out as much as they could ;-)
[15:52] <bazhang> so what I said was off in some way?
[15:53] <Pricey> No no, just that I'm glad that has completely changed.
[15:54] <Pricey> There was controversy even when some of us joined staff while on the IRCC iirc. (heh)
[16:43] <bazhang> thats just my take
[16:43] <bazhang> take into account or discount as you will
[16:58] <Pricey> I'm just popping out climbing for a bit, but I'll be around, lets talk.
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-us-oh
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[21:26] <yano> https://letsencrypt.org/2015/11/09/why-90-days.html
[21:26] <jenni> [ Why ninety-day lifetimes for certificates? ] - https://j.mp/1MyFNdM
[21:42] <Unit193> Welp, guess I'll stick with StartSSL.
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:28.877420
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-us-dc
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[14:17] <adom> Sitting in the Gaylord Resort/Convention Center for our Symposium right now.
[14:17] <adom> CEO's keynote is 9-10 so we're sitting in lab B-O-R-E-D.
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2024-05-13T22:11:28.878209
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-qc
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[06:04] <Darknet> petit update au topic :)
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:28.880652
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2015-11-10-#bzr
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[14:08] <chris2> abentley: hi. i
[14:08] <chris2> i'm curious if the code to http://code.aaronbentley.com/weavediff is still online somewhere?
[14:11] <abentley> chris2: It's been a very long time. I'm sure whether I implemented it.
[14:12] <chris2> there is a link on your homepage, but broken :)
[14:12] <chris2> but if you dont find it, not problem
[14:12] <chris2> i wonder if its possible to store a new revision without extracting the last one first?
[14:16] <abentley> Sorry, I can't find easily.
[14:16] <chris2> ok, no problem
[14:16] <chris2> i'll try to do it myself :)
[14:21] <abentley> chris2: You don't have to extract the last version first. As part of extracting the current version, you'll need to fill in holes in the current version with lines from the previous version. As part of reconstructing those segments of the previous version, you'll need to fill in holes with an even earlier version, and so on until you've found all the lines that appear in the current version.
[14:23] <abentley> chris2: Best case, all lines in the current version are new, and you can stop right away. Worst case, there's one line in the current version that was introduced in the very first version...
[14:34] <chris2> that's what i thought, but i think there are counterexamples where you need a real lcs?
[14:35] <chris2> if you try to insert changed lines into the first possible position, the weave can become bigger than it needs no?
[14:38] <chris2> need to contemplate about that :)
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2015-11-10-#launchpad
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[13:27] <aendrew> Hey folks — so, I've copied the packages from another PPA into my own PPA (because I'm wanting them on Trusty and not Precise), and Launchpad's telling me an updated version of Postgres and Postgres-common is available. How do I upgrade my PPA to use that instead? https://launchpad.net/~aendrew/+archive/ubuntu/cartodb-postgresql-9.3/+packages
[14:24] <cjwatson> aendrew: so, that's telling you that those source package names have a newer version in the primary archive for trusty, which it's worth LP telling you because apt clients will probably prefer the newer version unless explicitly configured otherwise
[14:25] <cjwatson> aendrew: you'll have to figure out what the nature of the differences between the baseline version in Ubuntu precise and the version you've copied are
[14:25] <aendrew> cjwatson: What if it's identical otherwise? Can I just tell the PPA to use the newer package somehow?
[14:25] <cjwatson> aendrew: it may be that they're all backports from later versions, or have otherwise been totally superseded by the version in Ubuntu trusty, or it may be that there are some substantial differences that you'll have to merge forward
[14:26] <cjwatson> aendrew: if they're identical, you can likely just delete the one from your PPA
[14:26] <cjwatson> aendrew: PPAs are always based on the primary Ubuntu archive, so there's no need to copy the version from Ubuntu into your PPA
[14:26] <aendrew> cjwatson: Right. Investigating a bit further, it seems they've made some changes, so therefore I'll just leave-be. Thanks!
[14:26] <cjwatson> aendrew: but there isn't a straightforward works-for-everyone answer here, you have to look at the source packages
[14:26] <cjwatson> aendrew: well, you can leave it be, but that doesn't solve the problem of apt clients probably not actually using those packages if they're pointed at your PPA
[14:31] <cjwatson> aendrew: if there are outstanding differences, the usual answer would be to merge/rebase the changes on top of the latest version in trusty
[14:31] <aendrew> Right-o, I can probably manage that. Is there a guide to forward-porting changes anywhere? Am super new to LP.
[14:31] <cjwatson> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading if you don't already know the details of uploading stuff directly
[14:33] <cjwatson> I don't think there's a specific guide to this (unfortunately) - I'd suggest starting by grabbing the source package in precise and the source package in your PPA and using debdiff to compare them, then going through that diff and adjusting/applying it as necessary
[14:35] <aendrew> cjwatson: Cool, will give that a go! Thanks!
[18:31] <ki7mt> Hello, quick question. Not sure f this is the right place, but, I have package that requires a backport from Wily to Trusty, Asciidoctor v1.5.3 to be exact. 14.04 has v1.4.1 which lacks the ability to generate manpages. Is there a way I can enable a backport in the control file for PPA generation?
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:28.900384
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2015-11-10-#kubuntu
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[00:03] <Fritigern> Oh, another symptom which I forgot to mention is that it would seem that the font settings are also affected. My fonts suddenly look normal again.
[00:10] <Fritigern> And one more symptom: single-click to open documents and/or folders would no longer work, It was "promoted" to double-click.
[00:27] <valorie> hmmm, I have neither appmenu-qt5 or appmenu-qt installed, according to apt-cache policy command in the cli
[02:02] <finetundra> I need to write a windows install iamge to a usb drive. How would I do that and can it be done without DD?
[02:40] <keithzg> finetundra: I've used WinUSB before to do that. I think http://askubuntu.com/questions/289559/how-can-i-create-a-windows-bootable-usb-stick-with-ubuntu/381560#381560 is still current in terms of quick installation instructions.
[02:42] <keithzg> No idea if that still works with Windows 10 or such.
[02:42] * keithzg only tends to install Windows in VMs these days
[02:42] <finetundra> well, it's worth a shot
[05:18] <keithzg> finetundra_: Did it work out in the end?
[06:56] <amichair> is it normal for dolphin to take up 21G of virtual memory (RES is ok)?
[09:36] <Cautious> Long term members of the Kubuntu community thoughts on stability of distro moving forward?
[09:36] <hateball> Cautious: I am sure someone will have opinions in #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:37] <Cautious> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:38] <rvk> Как обновить ubuntu до 14.10
[09:38] <rvk> ?
[09:41] <bolzo> hi all, do you know about a tool for a managing display configuration?. I have a laptop and i frequently switch from laptop monitor to dual monitor and I get bored to configure them each time.
[09:49] <Smurphy> bolzo: I had written a script using randr to do that from the command line. Worked quite well, but not on PLasma 5.
[09:54] <bolzo> Smurphy: thx mate, but i'm too lazy to do that :D. Joking ... I have it too but it suck.
[09:58] <bolzo> Where display positions are saved? I guess .local/share/kscreen/ but there are lot of guid name file there
[09:59] <rvk> how update distributive
[09:59] <rvk> &
[09:59] <rvk> ,
[09:59] <rvk> ?
[10:00] <rvk> my distr Description: Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS
[10:00] <rvk> how update to 16.04
[10:00] <rvk> ?
[10:00] <rvk> sudo dist-upgrade -d no working
[10:01] <rvk> sudo dist-upgrade -d
[10:01] <rvk> no working
[10:01] <Smurphy> 16.04 does not exist yet, aka,it is not stable, hence not enabled.
[10:03] <rvk> than how update to 15.10
[10:03] <rvk> ?
[10:10] <Smurphy> You probably have the system setup to only update to LTS releases.
[10:10] <Smurphy> Change that to stable releases, and it should work.
[10:18] <rvk> ok
[10:30] <hateball> rvk: there is no way to upgrade from 14.04 to 15.10
[10:31] <hateball> rvk: As you will need to upgrade to each release between, 14.10 -> 15.04, and they are EOL
[10:32] <hateball> rvk: And you use "do-release-upgrade -d", not dist-upgrade. Upgrading to 16.04 now will leave you with a broken system most likely
[10:33] <hateball> rvk: So the least painful way for you is to wait another few months, then upgrade to 16.04 using the regular updater (do-release-upgrade)
[11:08] <hazamonzo> Flavour country
[11:29] <rvk> hateball: when i use "do-release-upgrade -d" i get "Detected an insoluble problem when calculating the upgrade". and stoped
[11:34] <hateball> rvk: perhaps https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1511903 ? anyhow, unreleased version help goes in #ubuntu+1
[11:35] <rvk> ubottu: then whow me update to next version whis 14,04
[11:36] <rvk> hateball: then whow me update to next version whis 14,04
[11:37] <hateball> rvk: I already told you, wait for 16.04 to be released next april. Then upgrade to that.
[11:37] <rvk> thanks
[11:37] <rvk> hateball: thanks
[11:38] <hateball> Either you stick to LTS releases every 2 years, or you keep updating every 6 months. If you fall inbetween... it's not so much fun
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:09] <jubo2> I need to make simple, good-looking .html page
[13:09] <jubo2> any suggestions for 'sudo apt install'
[13:10] <jubo2> I remember still the day I discovered Dreamweaver coz I had just explained my idea of HTML editor that shows WYSIWYG in code and code in HTML in 2 views just the previous night
[13:11] <jubo2> and then I found an HTML editor (Dreamweaver 1.0) that does exactly that
[13:12] <jubo2> woops.. WYSIWYG in code and code in WYSIWYG for optimal website maker mental comfort and ease of learning
[13:12] <jubo2> hey...
[13:12] <jubo2> maybe I try out the Myon explorer or whatevs it called
[13:16] <Fragemensch> Hi, I have a problem with my Distribution Upgrade. At about 73% or so of being done, the window turned mostly gray and there does not seem to be any activity anymore. I am unsure how to proceed from here. Can anyone help me?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> in the gui or the terminal, Fragemensch
[13:18] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:18] <Fragemensch> the GUI, I barely know how to use terminal tbh
[13:18] <jubo2> Fragemensch: Ja.. dass ist möglich sie Hilfe können haben
[13:18] <Fragemensch> english is fine
[13:18] <jubo2> Me too. I don't even speak more then touristik Deutsch
[13:20] <BluesKaj> jubo2, this is an English Kubuntu support chat, go show off your linguistics in the appropriate chts
[13:20] <jubo2> BluesKaj: any suggestion on making a single, good-looking .html page tool?
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Fragemensch, which kubuntu version?
[13:21] <Fragemensch> p sure it was 15.04 it tried to upgrade to
[13:22] <Fragemensch> i myself am on Trusty Tahr still
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Fragemensch, from 14.10?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Fragemensch, you have to do a clean install
[13:22] <Fragemensch> Trusty Tahr is 14.04 I believe.
[13:22] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:23] <BluesKaj> 15.04 is not LTS
[13:24] <Fragemensch> Well, I just followed the instructions on the kubuntu website, started up muon update manager and clicked the button.
[13:29] <Fragemensch> So can I safely / should I kill the Distribution Upgrade window at any time?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Fragemensch, which ubuntu websiate?
[13:29] <Fragemensch> kubuntu.org
[13:31] <hateball> Fragemensch: do you have a Details button in the gui?
[13:32] <hateball> Fragemensch: It is possible the upgrader has halted and prompted you about something, usually where to re-install grub, or to remove packages
[13:32] <hateball> There should be a button to display the terminal
[13:32] <BluesKaj> Fragemensch, those just general instructions, the upgrade manager should not show any LTS upgrades yet , there aren't any
[13:32] <Fragemensch> There was. It's all gray now.
[13:32] <JunkHunk> hello yesterday I configured conky in kubuntu trusty and somehow some snapshots were taken and now every time I login the system displays with okular those three snapshots...does anyone know why is this happening and whether is fix?
[13:33] <Fragemensch> hateball: Sorry, was adressing you: Yes, there was terminal button, but as the rest of the window except the frame it'S all gray now.
[13:33] <BluesKaj> JunkHunk, delete the snapshots in your /home dir
[13:34] <hateball> JunkHunk: It sounds like you saved the session and are restoring it on login. Perhaps I am not understanding your question
[13:34] <hateball> That would cause the applications to restart
[13:34] <JunkHunk> the snapshots are called sys argparse and subprocess
[13:35] <hateball> Fragemensch: oh I didnt see you tried to upgrade from 14.04. There is no supported upgrade path from 14.04 to 15.10 as the releases in between are EOL
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Fragemensch, if the gui just stopped then most likely the sources to make changes to your system aren't available
[13:35] <hateball> It has probably halted trying to fetch packages from the Utopic repo or some such
[13:36] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:36] <Fragemensch> it was an upgrade to 15.04 I believe, that was what muon upgrade manager suggested to me.
[13:36] <JunkHunk> I can see in those my home folder when I was renaming a file...creating a new folder and editing conky's config file
[13:36] <hateball> The only upgrade a 14.04 should offer if you tell it to search for non-LTS is 14.10. And then you would have a non-upgradable system
[13:36] <BluesKaj> Fragemensch, the muon manager is incorrcect , must be a bug
[13:37] <JunkHunk> and those 'snapshots' are not in my home directory
[13:37] <Fragemensch> At the moment I am downloading the 15.10 iso. Can I safely kill the Distribution Upgrade window of muon upgrade manager and then just try to continue with the iso?
[13:37] <JunkHunk> no idea how and where they appeared
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Fragemensch, yes I think so, I doubt any changes were made to your system
[13:38] <Fragemensch> Well, it was already installing stuff (past the unpacking stage)
[13:38] <hateball> Then you may have a problem
[13:39] <hateball> Fragemensch: Do you keep /home on a separate partition? If so you could do a fresh install but keep /home intact
[13:39] <BluesKaj> usually saved snapshots are located in /home/user
[13:39] <hateball> I'm not sure what type of "snapshot" would open in Okular
[13:41] <Fragemensch> hateball: I am not sure, tbh.
[13:47] <JunkHunk> I run this script: http://www.overclock.net/t/1400247/nvidia-info-in-conky-help/20
[13:48] <JunkHunk> then the mouse turned into a cross for a while...
[13:49] <JunkHunk> I was kind of lazy but I wanted to edit conky config file...I found that thread where they were using nvidia-smi with conky but they did it adding a python script because they needed nvidia-smi to show info from two cards and not just one in conky...
[13:50] <JunkHunk> It wasnt exactly my case because I only have one card but I felt like trying
[13:51] <JunkHunk> I copied the script in a new folder called Python_Scripts in my home folder...
[13:51] <JunkHunk> made it executable
[13:51] <JunkHunk> and run
[13:51] <JunkHunk> I could see the conky they programmed...
[13:53] <JunkHunk> but it was working only partly...as they monitored their specific hardware different from mine...
[13:53] <BluesKaj> JunkHunk, is there question in there somewhere?
[13:54] <JunkHunk> later on I upgraded my graphics driver deleted that python script and used some of the conky config file lines to get mine working
[13:54] <JunkHunk> no question
[13:55] <JunkHunk> these are clues to find out what might had happened to my system that it is making it display three snapshots I didnt take
[13:55] <JunkHunk> each time I login
[13:55] <JunkHunk> sys subprocess and argparse
[13:56] <BluesKaj> JunkHunk, maybe the folks at #conky can help
[13:56] <JunkHunk> or python
[13:56] <BluesKaj> but just putting thoughts in here is just spamming the chat
[13:57] <JunkHunk> I f you need help you need to give info
[13:57] <JunkHunk> sorry anyway
[13:58] <BluesKaj> you haven't asked a question
[13:59] <Fragemensch> hateball: It seems to be the case that I am [keeping /home on a separate partition]. So I hope I can fix this with a clean install. Right now downloading the 15.10 iso, then will burn it and install from there. Any advice on what to do with the frozen 15.04 upgrade window/process presumably broken?
[14:05] <hateball> Fragemensch: so it's 15.04 now?
[14:06] <hateball> Fragemensch: you said both 15.04 and also trusty (14.04) so it isnt easy to know
[14:07] <Fragemensch> I was on 14.04. System Settings now tells me 15.04. But that installation is likely incomplete/broken.
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Fragemensch, burn the iso, but leave the upgrade process open for now until you decide to reboot into the media wit 15.10 iso on it. Also install the OS to your / partiton and set themountoint as /home for your /home partition using manual partitoning during the installation
[14:13] <BluesKaj> bbl
[14:26] <Fragemensch> hateball: sorry, missed adressing again. I was on 14.04. System Settings now tells me 15.04. But that installation is likely incomplete/broken.
[14:31] <hateball> Fragemensch: If you have separate /home, I would do what BluesKaj said
[14:31] <hateball> Sort out a fresh boot-media before you reboot, then reinstall keeping /home
[14:32] <Fragemensch> hateball: Okay, thank you.
[15:12] <Hudsonkem> when google chrome call dolphin, its come without color theme, how to change it to my own theme?
[16:20] <armin_> hi, i upgraded kubuntu to 15.10 from 14.10. Everthing is ok, however I'm used to have starters always visible in the control bar. Now I start e.g. konsole and the starter hides.
[16:21] <armin_> is there a way to configure the behaviour to not hide starters?
[16:47] <svend-ev> Good morning
[17:00] <Khaotic> plasma is so fucked up on 15.10
[17:00] <clivejo> Khaotic: how so?
[17:00] <Khaotic> i have issues when bringing my laptop back from sleep, and when i use dual monitors
[17:01] <Khaotic> it always crashes
[17:01] * clivejo likes the weather widget :)
[17:01] <clivejo> now I can see its raining without looking outside!
[17:01] <Khaotic> lol
[17:02] <Unit193> No cursing please, though.
[17:02] <Khaotic> sorry
[17:02] * clivejo wonders when replying to SMS will be introduced in KDE Connect
[17:02] <Khaotic> ^
[17:03] <Khaotic> oh and kde connect is glitchy for me
[17:03] <Khaotic> i have it turned off on my phone and computer, yet i still get the notifications
[17:03] <clivejo> hummm that sounds odd
[17:04] <clivejo> you might have a haunted Kubuntu instll
[17:04] <clivejo> I hear those are nasty
[17:05] <Khaotic> ugh
[17:05] <Khaotic> i reinstalled twice...
[17:06] <clivejo> I was going to reply to armin_ before they left. To drag the icon from the KickOff menu onto the Task Manager bar and it would stay there when launched
[17:06] <clivejo> I done it on my own desktop and now I cant get rid of it!
[17:07] <clivejo> anyone know how I remove it?
[17:16] <mparillo> An icon on your desktop or in your task manager bar?
[19:59] <smoovep> Hello..
[19:59] <smoovep> my first time irc'ing ..
[20:00] <soee> hiho smoovep
[20:00] <smoovep> hey..
[20:00] <smoovep> where you from soee? how you end up in kubuntu?
[20:24] <nescius> hello
[20:25] <soee> hiho nescius
[20:25] <nescius> anyone with qhd screens already?
[20:25] <nescius> i think i am the first one ever who installed linux on one of those
[20:26] <nescius> how to make icons bigger?
[20:26] <nescius> it was possible once but it seems broken now
[20:26] <aramiscd> ctrl and scroll
[20:26] <nescius> aramiscd: no
[20:26] <aramiscd> works here
[20:26] <nescius> that only works in dolphin's file display
[20:26] <aramiscd> right
[20:27] <nescius> i mean menu, desktop, everything
[20:27] <nescius> I was hoping that eventually some devs would be getting those screens..
[20:27] <nescius> not yet as it seems
[20:29] <aramiscd> systemsettings > symbols > ...
[20:29] <nescius> https://community.kde.org/KDE/High-dpi_issues ok, i was wrong
[20:32] <nescius> symbols? is that icons?
[20:33] <nescius> i tried to start the LC_ALL=en_US systemsettings5 but all entries are still in czech, except for menu which is in english
[20:42] <nescius> where to report kubuntu specific bugs with upgrade? ksyscoca had issues starting, untill deletion of ~/.cache i could not connect to internet, I was really furrious
[20:43] <nescius> maybe it should be tested before release ..? Ill try to help rather than bitching here.. next time :~(
[20:44] <aramiscd> yeah, maybe it's icons. sorry, i have it in german here.
[20:44] <genii> If you file a bug, probably it would be for the package ubuntu-release-upgrader-core
[20:47] <nescius> aramiscd: thats the thing which is broken, I already reported it https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355156
[20:54] <nescius> ha! icons are the only issue, even firefox plays nice with dpi set to 200, yeah!
[21:18] <nescius> hmm, maybe I am lucky.. kde plasma 5.4 release notes: Much improved high DPI support
[21:28] <daum> i'm on 14.04 and just did some package upgrades today (not 100% sure what, just got a notice) and have restarted since, but been noticing problems like : http://i.imgur.com/nucOzmQ.png where the windows don't seem to be properly filling in? anyone else having a similar issue?
[21:37] <RY> ls
[21:37] <RY> Explain to me why Kubuntu is better than a other KDE distro
[21:38] <Pici> access denied.
[21:38] <Pici> Not being a KDE user myself, I'd say that because it's backed by the Ubuntu software repositories.
[21:38] <bprompt> daum: I'd think is a videocard drivers issue, you could try maybe by deleting or moving any .conf under /etc/X11/ folder
[21:39] <bprompt> RY: "better" is relative, the "best" shirt for you, is probably hated by your sister, so... depends
[21:40] <daum> bprompt, hm just a few .configs in that folder but no confs
[21:40] <bprompt> RY: so... unless we know what you want in a distribution or OS, then we dunn if it's "better" for y ou
[21:40] <RY> Alright, that I can understand. Let's say I'm sick of Unity 15.10, and really love the design of Plasma 5.4
[21:41] <RY> I've considered arch, but not for my work machine, so that's down the road.
[21:41] <RY> Not into the idea of being "Bleeding Edge"
[21:41] <RY> And really just looking for that visually looks appealing or cohesive while having functionality.
[21:42] <RY> I had tried Elementary OS, had found it too simple
[21:42] <bprompt> RY: I assume you're referring to Unity running in Ubuntu, kubuntu is still ubuntu, no any different than what Unity runs on, it's just a different Desktop Manager and also a window manager, so, you're talking more about desktop managers and window managers mostly, no distribution per se
[21:42] <RY> Truth be told, I do need a Mac. But, I want to embrace Linux and cannot afford a mac so I'm here.
[21:43] <keithzg> Well, give Kubuntu 15.10 a shot! Best way to find out if it'll work for you is to try it :)
[21:43] <RY> I'm aware of DE / WM, hence I was asking since I'm only aware of Ubuntu / Debian what other distrobutios people enjoy.
[21:43] <bprompt> daum: check the backports I'd say, for any video drivers, may just be the session also if you haven't rebooted yet, could also be kwin
[21:43] <keithzg> If you already have Ubuntu 15.10 installed you can even just install the kubuntu-desktop package and try it out fairly immediately.
[21:43] <RY> And I will <keithzg>, I tried a live boot the other night and it crashed many times, but that's a random occurance.
[21:43] <RY> Tried,
[21:43] <RY> Mixing kubuntu desktop with unity broke half the packages.
[21:44] <daum> bprompt, i did reboot fully after the updates. it did try to restore my session from my previous one once i logged in though
[21:44] <daum> bprompt, what do you mean by backports?
[21:44] <Pici> !backports
[21:44] <bprompt> daum: backport repositories, check your sources, they're usually no included, but you can add them as Sources
[21:45] <bprompt> daum: they're not hmm included as default repositories, rather, a backport is kinda a hotfix issued for some things
[21:46] <RY> I understand
[21:47] <RY> Random question, do you find Kubuntu is better in battery life compared to Ubuntu
[21:48] <bprompt> RY: shouldn't, Unity is just a DM and kubuntu comes with KDE DM, just two DM's, is all, I've used to run SuSE with gnome as well as kde, and now and then switch between the two, but I've mainly run kde, since I run many kde apps, and yes, kde apps can be a bit more GUIsh than other frameworks, keeping in mind that kde also relies on QT framework, and QT is also very GUIsh, QT(quantum technologies) bought and owned by Nokia
[21:48] <lordievader> RY: Probably not very different.
[21:49] <bprompt> RY: electricity consumption, I don't think they differ at all, if any it'd be very little
[21:49] <RY> Thanks for clarifying that, I thought so considering that even in resources (of a live boot) Unity8 and Plasma 5.4 both push the desktop running 4k resolution with 1.5gb of ram
[21:50] <RY> It is settled then, is there a way to upgrade from Ubuntu to Kubuntu aside from wipe / install desktop over Unity?
[21:51] <bprompt> RY: you don't have to, if you are running Ubuntu already, just install the kde-desktop package
[21:51] <RY> But it always breaks the packages. Am I doing something wrong? I've installed the PPA for kubuntu
[21:51] <RY> sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[21:51] <bprompt> it will install KWIN(kde window manager), that runs the plasma and plasmoids, and you'd be given the choice to which one to log with, session wise, at login screen
[21:52] <RY> I will look more into this then, the only thing I'll miss from Unity is global menu
[21:53] <bprompt> global menu? kwin has that
[21:53] <RY> in Plasma 4, Plasma 5 lacks a global menu because the application needs to be translated to QT if I recall
[21:53] <bprompt> not even sure what global menu is, but it shows all apps though :)
[21:54] <RY> Ah, I'm talking about the task bar which holds (traditionally : file, view, etc) at the very top of each window. But, this one is for every window and is found on top status bar
[21:55] <bprompt> hmmm
[21:55] <bprompt> I've run Unity, I don't recall seeing that in the webbrowser
[21:56] <bprompt> or the office packages
[21:57] <RY> http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--K0LKEXgH--/17eblpbylxuj9jpg.jpg <- top left
[21:57] <bprompt> RY: but either way, if you want to run kde apps, you don't need to use kwin, you can still run Unity WM and run your kde apps :), only difference being, that kwin can do plasmoids, and to use plasmoids, you'd need kwin
[21:58] <RY> That's good to know actually, if I wanted to run Kate or K Develop it wouldn't be a problem then?
[21:59] <bprompt> RY: nope, I run kubuntu, but I don't run kwin, I use LXDE, and use many kde apps
[21:59] <keithzg> RY: Yup, all applications *should* work fine regardless of what DE you run them in.
[22:00] <RY> Good to know
[22:00] <RY> Thanks
[22:00] <mparillo> keithzg: For some with sharp eyes, there are questions about theming.
[22:00] <bprompt> RY: as far as "that" menu, well, just run dolphin for that :P, that's just Unity taskbar including that menu there, which isn't of much use if you're reading webpages or doing an Excel file btw, and pretty sure you can do that in Kwin's taskbar anyway, with either a plasmoid pin to the taskbar, or just as an added element to it
[22:01] <RY> Do explain <bprompt>
[22:01] <bprompt> RY: kwin's taskbar is customizable at some extent
[22:01] <bprompt> just like Unity's I'm sure
[22:02] <keithzg> mparillo: Well sure. One of the reasons I avoid Firefox :P Although for most applications you can pick equivalent GTK and KDE/Qt themes, or at least could back in the day. Much of the theme side isn't being maintained these days, eh?
[22:02] <bprompt> RY: but why would you want that "file manager" 's menu visible at all times on any app that has no use for it?
[22:03] <RY> I started on OSX almost a decade ago, It's what I know.
[22:05] <bprompt> RY: back in SuSE, I used to run a few window managers, I ran Enlightment, nice window manager, no taskbar, just docks, it had a nice macOSX theme, with a static "finder" menu static atop for any window, and changing entries, depending on the window :)
[22:06] <RY> Noted
[22:07] <bprompt> RY: but sounds to me, that the issue is not Ubuntu itself, so much as theming and functionality, and for that, you can just get a window manager you like, plenty available, and see if it has a good theme
[22:10] <bprompt> RY: http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/macbuntu-makes-your-linux-desktop-look-like-mac-os-x/ <-- not sure if it may work with plasma5, but you could check about
[22:31] <random_guy1654> hi i want to ask if there is a known bug for kwin_x11 because mine randomly suspends
[23:03] * keithzg really hates the Mac-style menu-at-the-top scheme, since it really stops making sense very quickly when you have more than one monitor . . .
[23:20] <soee> ?
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2015-11-10-#snappy
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[04:52] <woodrowshen> jdstrand: noted, thank you for explanation.
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <fgimenez> good morning
[08:21] <woodrowshen> hi, good afternoon for Asia :p
[08:25] <woodrowshen> i'm wondering why doesn't snapcraft delete the generated snap while `snapcraft clean` is executed ?
[09:11] <longsleep> Good morning snappy
[09:12] <longsleep> Did anyone ever try to run u-d-f in a Docker container? Miserably fails - i am tempted to give up and run it in Vagrant instead or does anyhone have a suggestion?
[09:15] <Chipaca> longsleep: how does it fail?
[09:20] <longsleep> Chipaca: it seems to be related to udev
[09:20] <longsleep> Chipaca: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13214725/
[09:20] <longsleep> i cannot make much sense of it ..
[09:21] <longsleep> and i am running it with --cap-add=ALL --privileged=true
[09:21] <longsleep> would be nice if that would work
[09:21] <Chipaca> longsleep: in docker, does kpartx work?
[09:21] <longsleep> Chipaca: let me try
[09:21] <Chipaca> longsleep: e.g. scp an img in, kpartx -av the.img
[09:24] <longsleep> Chipaca: yeah that works
[09:24] <longsleep> add map loop0p1 (252:3): 0 131072 linear /dev/loop0 8192
[09:24] <longsleep> add map loop0p2 (252:4): 0 2097152 linear /dev/loop0 139264
[09:24] <longsleep> add map loop0p3 (252:5): 0 2097152 linear /dev/loop0 2236416
[09:24] <longsleep> add map loop0p4 (252:6): 0 3280896 linear /dev/loop0 4333568
[09:25] <longsleep> removing it works as well .. loop deleted : /dev/loop0
[09:27] <Chipaca> well, that's good in one sense
[09:27] <Chipaca> because it means the thing i thought wouldn't work, works
[09:28] <longsleep> Well, from the trace it tries to connect(3, {sa_family=AF_LOCAL, sun_path="/run/udev/control"}, 19) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[09:28] <longsleep> which fails as there is no udev in the container
[09:28] <longsleep> and then exit 2
[09:28] <longsleep> what i do not get, is why it wants to connect to udev
[09:30] <Chipaca> me neither, offhand
[09:32] <Chipaca> unless i'm missing something it shouldn't need udev at build time
[09:32] <longsleep> Chipaca: yeah, there is no udev stuff in the code what i could find
[09:32] <Chipaca> question for sergio, then
[09:32] <Chipaca> longsleep: the udev stuff will be from snappy
[09:33] <Chipaca> but they shouldn't get called at build time
[09:34] <longsleep> Chipaca: ok, let me check what i find there
[09:34] <longsleep> starting udev is not an option though
[09:34] <longsleep> * udev does not support containers, not started
[09:38] <zyga> elopio: I'll check out those templates in a sec
[10:03] <livcd> so how does snappy play with docker ?
[10:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Area Code Day! 😃
[11:00] <longsleep> Chipaca: found the problem why u-d-f tries to connect to Docker .. http://git.intranet.struktur.de/debian/ubuntu-snappy/blob/ubuntu/trusty/snappy/oem.go#L241
[11:00] <longsleep> I think this should not be called when snappy is used from u-d-f
[11:01] <Chipaca> i don't think intranet links will work :)
[11:01] <longsleep> err
[11:01] <longsleep> sorry
[11:01] <Chipaca> nm, got it
[11:02] <longsleep> Chipaca: correct link is https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/snappy/oem.go#L242
[11:02] <longsleep> Chipaca: It reloads udev rules when processing oem snaps
[11:03] <Chipaca> yes, but it shouldn't run if inhibitHooks is there
[11:03] <Chipaca> let me grab sergio
[11:03] <longsleep> Chipaca: its called from here: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/snappy/snapp.go#L812
[11:04] <Chipaca> yeo
[11:04] <Chipaca> it should, i think, instead be called from run-hooks
[11:04] <Chipaca> or firstboot?
[11:04] <longsleep> well it needs to run when a new snap is installed
[11:05] <longsleep> on boot i thin udev will load all rules automatically
[11:05] <longsleep> =k
[11:06] <Chipaca> longsleep: so
[11:06] <Chipaca> longsleep: easy workaround for you for now
[11:06] <Chipaca> longsleep: ln -s /bin/true /usr/local/bin/udevadm
[11:07] <Chipaca> longsleep: in the container
[11:07] <longsleep> Chipaca: yep
[11:07] <longsleep> Chipaca: lets see if i can get it running in the container then
[11:08] <Chipaca> it's unclear to me atm whether the installOemHardwareUdevRules itself should be skipped, or just the reload, when calling it from u-d-f; sergio would know more but he's off for now
[11:09] <longsleep> Chipaca: yeah almost there i think
[11:09] <longsleep> xz: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
[11:09] <longsleep> :/
[11:10] <longsleep> there seems to be a dependency missing
[11:10] <longsleep> i install u-d-f with apt
[11:11] <longsleep> Chipaca: woot - it worked
[11:11] <longsleep> New image complete
[11:11] <longsleep> Summary: Output: test.img Architecture: amd64 Channel: stable Version: 9
[11:12] <longsleep> (patched version though, let me try the symlink hack)
[11:14] <longsleep> Chipaca: still struggle with dependencies .. "sc-filtergen": executable file not found in $PATH
[11:14] <Chipaca> $ dpkg -S `which sc-filtergen`
[11:14] <Chipaca> ubuntu-core-security-utils: /usr/bin/sc-filtergen
[11:14] <longsleep> yeah
[11:15] <longsleep> that package is a beast - pulls in perl and python
[11:15] <Chipaca> :-(
[11:16] <longsleep> having a large docker container is better than none
[11:16] <Chipaca> i wonder about the perl
[11:16] <longsleep> Chipaca: including like 50 perl module packages :)
[11:18] <Shibe> so can snappy run on other distros that are not ubuntu based?
[11:19] <Chipaca> Shibe: probably
[11:19] <Shibe> okay
[11:19] <Shibe> Chipaca: and with snappy we can have bleeding edge applications without breakage right?
[11:20] <Chipaca> gah
[11:20] <Shibe> ?
[11:20] <Chipaca> longsleep: libssl -> debconf -> perl-base
[11:20] <Shibe> also can snappy install things such as drivers?
[11:21] <Shibe> or would we still use apt for that?
[11:21] <longsleep> what libssl requires debconf?
[11:21] <Chipaca> longsleep: http://people.canonical.com/~john/deps.svg
[11:22] <longsleep> Chipaca: oh my
[11:22] <Chipaca> longsleep: apt-rdepends -d ubuntu-core-security-utils | neato -Gsplines -Goverlap=scale -Tsvg > /tmp/deps.svg
[11:23] <Shibe> what about storage? would snappy apps take up more space than regular apps?
[11:26] <longsleep> Chipaca: well, u-d-f now fails with exit 1 when installing one of the preinstalled snaps from the oem definition .. so more debugging
[11:27] <Chipaca> Shibe: drivers would be included in the kernel snap (which is a 16.04 thing)
[11:27] <Chipaca> Shibe: there is no apt in a snappy system
[11:27] <Shibe> Chipaca: so there will be no apt in ubuntu 16.04 or what?
[11:28] <Chipaca> Shibe: which ubuntu 16.04?
[11:28] <Shibe> wait
[11:28] <Shibe> wont snappy become like the primary package manager in newer versions of ubuntu?
[11:29] <Shibe> or is it only for mobile devices and servers?
[11:29] <Chipaca> Shibe: no, it won't become the primary package manager in newer versions of ubuntu
[11:30] <Chipaca> Shibe: and no, it is not only for mobile devices and servers
[11:30] <Shibe> so there will be a seperate ubuntu called snappy ubuntu?
[11:30] <Chipaca> Shibe: there already is
[11:30] <Shibe> yeah
[11:30] <Chipaca> Shibe: snappy ubuntu core
[11:30] <Shibe> i was thinking that it was more of an experimental version of ubuntu before snappy becomes the default
[11:31] <Chipaca> I wouldn't describe it that way
[11:31] <Shibe> okay
[11:31] <Chipaca> Shibe: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/
[11:32] <Shibe> Chipaca: but will the snappy ubuntu core ever become the default?
[11:32] <Chipaca> *core* won't ever become the default, no
[11:32] <longsleep> Chipaca: SeccompFilterGenException: \"Invalid template 'default'\ - any idea about this one?
[11:32] <Shibe> ok
[11:32] <Chipaca> Shibe: there might at some point be a snappy ubuntu desktop
[11:33] <Chipaca> Shibe: but I can't see that far into the future
[11:33] <Shibe> okay
[11:33] <ogra_> well, i would assume that core might stay the default on all snappy installs
[11:33] <longsleep> Chipaca: happens when /usr/bin/sc-filtergen is called
[11:33] <ogra_> with icn on top for a snappy desktop or a snappy server
[11:33] <ogra_> *icing
[11:34] <ogra_> but nobody can really see far into the future on that level as Chipaca said :)
[11:34] <Chipaca> ogra_: possibly, but we'd probably not call the resulting system a "snappy ubuntu core" system
[11:34] <ogra_> yeah
[11:35] <Chipaca> longsleep: you're missing ubuntu-core-security-seccomp
[11:35] <longsleep> Chipaca: yeah - just found this package, lets see
[11:37] <longsleep> Chipaca: yeah that was the last one, works now unpatched version, just symlink udevadm and install a bunch of debs
[11:37] <Chipaca> huzzah
[11:37] <longsleep> Chipaca: so green light for u-d-f in Docker - yay!
[13:09] <longsleep> Chipaca: btw, not sure if i told you already, but changing run-hooks to run before firstboot fixes bug #1511435 and the booted system applies the provided oem config an all.
[13:13] <Chipaca> longsleep: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/72
[13:13] <Chipaca> longsleep: and https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/71
[13:14] <longsleep> Chipaca: nice yay \o/
[13:44] <dpm> beuno, JamesTait, is there a field in the store API that contains a human-readable name for a snap that we could use to show a list of snaps such as the one in https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/gadget-snaps?
[13:44] <dpm> e.g. "BeagleBone Board" instead of "beagle.gumstix"
[13:47] <JamesTait> dpm, you want the title field.
[13:47] <dpm> JamesTait, but is that available from the API? I seem to remember dholbach mentioned we don't have access to such a field
[13:48] <dholbach> I might be doing it wrong :)
[13:48] <JamesTait> dpm https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/search?q=download_url%3A%2A.snap&fields=name%2Ctitle%2Cdownload_url&page=1
[13:49] <JamesTait> I think that's what you want: "name": "com.ubuntu.snappy.docker", "title": "The docker app deployment mechanism"
[13:52] <dpm> davidcalle, dholbach ^
[13:52] <dholbach> dpm, they're generally not looking prettier :-/
[13:52] <dholbach> "title": "odroidc-community"
[13:52] <dholbach> "title": "generic-i386"
[13:52] <dpm> yeah, I just saw that too
[13:53] <dholbach> "title": "beagle"
[13:53] <dholbach> so I'm not sure it's worth changing right now
[13:55] <dholbach> JamesTait, is the title field editable by people who upload apps to myapps?
[13:55] <dholbach> and what is it called? :)
[13:55] <ogra_> i think it is called Title in the store form
[13:56] <Chipaca> dholbach: dpm: "title" is what you want
[13:57] <Chipaca> dholbach: dpm: people might not be using it right, but that's where you're supposed to be putting the human-readable one
[13:57] <dholbach> there's id_name and id_tagline
[13:57] <dholbach> id_description
[13:58] <Chipaca> bah
[13:58] <Chipaca> something might be wrong :)
[13:58] <Chipaca> for snappy, the title is the first line of the readme
[13:58] <dholbach> yeah, I'm trying to piece it together
[14:00] <Chipaca> so that's the "description" field in the store
[14:00] <Chipaca> but only the first line fo it
[14:00] <Chipaca> maybe
[14:00] <Chipaca> i guess this is one of the things that the store does not get from the package?
[14:00] <longsleep> Chipaca: so, do you want to hear about another service ordering poblem with firstboot and modules-load.d ?
[14:01] <dholbach> Chipaca, it might be
[14:01] <Chipaca> because for example, curl has a title in the manifest, that is not in the store data
[14:01] <Chipaca> longsleep: yes, yes i would
[14:02] <fancycode> Chipaca: thanks for your feedback on #67, is there some sort of roadmap available so I don't try to provide our changes upstream if they will be deprecated soon anyway ;-)
[14:02] <longsleep> Chipaca: so, when an oem snap wants to load kernel modules, with config: ubuntu-core: load-kernel-modules, then this fails for the very first boot, because snappy firstboot runs after systemd-modules-load.service
[14:03] <dholbach> JamesTait, do you know where the data for .title comes from?
[14:03] <longsleep> Chipaca: second boot works fine, as the created modules-load.d file is there then
[14:04] <Chipaca> longsleep: can you confirm adding systemd-modules-load.service to firstboot's Before: fixes it?
[14:04] <Chipaca> longsleep: (as opposed to creating a cycle)
[14:04] <longsleep> Chipaca: Let me try, i am still new to systemd and its ways
[14:05] <Chipaca> longsleep: it's got a bunch of things on the Before: line, you can just append
[14:05] <Chipaca> or add another Before: line
[14:05] <Chipaca> both work
[14:05] <Chipaca> fancycode: I don't think we have a roadmap per se, sorry
[14:08] <fancycode> Chipaca: hmm, ok thanks
[14:13] <longsleep> Chipaca: That results in an order cycle and systemd deleted it
[14:14] <Chipaca> longsleep: feared as much
[14:14] <Chipaca> longsleep: can you pastebin the bit of the log about the cycle?
[14:14] <longsleep> Chipaca: sure / hold on
[14:15] <longsleep> Chipaca: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13216046/
[14:20] <jdstrand> mvo: just so we are in sync> I'll be pulling your changes into my branch later today, but don't push it yet-- there are still a few things to implement (see the card) and a lot I want to test
[14:21] <jdstrand> mvo: and a bit to discuss :)
[14:21] <jdstrand> but not atm
[14:22] <mvo> jdstrand: ok. thanks. it seems like everything left is review-tools? except for apparmor_parser -p but I send a question about this :)
[14:22] <mvo> jdstrand: and testing of course
[14:22] <mvo> jdstrand: if you point me towards what else is missing I'm happy to have a look at it
[14:26] <jdstrand> mvo: the card has a few things
[14:26] <Chipaca> longsleep: on first boot, can you confirm whether "systemctl reload systemd-modules-load.service" loads the modules just added by firstboot? (once you removed systemd-modules-load.service from the Before of firstboot)
[14:26] <longsleep> Chipaca: let me check
[14:26] <Chipaca> longsleep: thanks!
[14:27] <Chipaca> longsleep: i'm being lazy relying on you to test stuff, hope you don't mind too much
[14:28] <longsleep> Chipaca: no problem, i just takes around 70 seconds to write a new image to the sdcard
[14:28] <Chipaca> wow
[14:28] <Chipaca> ok
[14:28] <Chipaca> your sd writer is 5x faster than mine
[14:28] <jdstrand> mvo: in terms of snappy code there are two things: 1. "remove 'apparmor' and 'seccomp' keys from security-override and just have 'read-paths, syscalls, etc all directly under 'security-override'"
[14:28] <longsleep> Chipaca: you have USB3?
[14:28] <jdstrand> mvo: and 2. "regenerate-all should only regenerate svc/bin policy, not all policy within a snap"
[14:29] <longsleep> 3899999744 Bytes (3,9 GB) kopiert, 73,5622 s, 53,0 MB/s
[14:29] <Chipaca> longsleep: usb2 only for me
[14:30] <longsleep> Chipaca: yeah well, that explains why you get only around 10MB/s
[14:30] <Chipaca> although the sd card according to lshw is hung off of pci directly
[14:31] <Chipaca> but, yeah, oldish laptop
[14:31] <Chipaca> sandybridge iirc
[14:32] <longsleep> Chipaca: Job type reload is not applicaple for unit systemd-modules-load.service
[14:32] <Chipaca> longsleep: restart, then?
[14:32] <Chipaca> and just checked, it's an arrandale, not sandybridge
[14:33] <longsleep> Chipaca: ok, confirmed after restart the modules are loaded
[14:34] <Chipaca> longsleep: that is 'systemctl restart systemd-modules-load.service', not a reboot, yes? :)
[14:35] <longsleep> Chipaca: yes
[14:35] <jdstrand> mvo: so '1' is probably pretty easy-- squash SecurityOverride into one thing rather than two
[14:36] <longsleep> Chipaca: http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-Information-Card-Reader-TS-RDF5K/dp/B009D79VH4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447166144&sr=8-2&keywords=transcend+usb3+card+reader, connected into Dell USB3 hub integrated inside monitor :)
[14:36] <longsleep> $6.95
[14:36] <jdstrand> mvo: '2' maybe requires some explanation. right now, click-apparmor will only recompile policy for the services/binaries that are affected. snappy currently will regenerate all the policy if any are affected
[14:37] <Chipaca> longsleep: :)
[14:38] <jdstrand> mvo: for a few snaps, this isn't a big deal, but on personal where many snaps will ship both a scope and an app, we could halve the compile time for these snaps (eg, if the scope template changes, we don't have to regenerate things that use the app template)
[14:41] <jdstrand> mvo: and that is an important optimization
[14:42] <mvo> jdstrand: aha, thanks for explaining (2). but certainly not a blocker, right? I mean not a blocker for inclusion even if that lands later this week?
[14:43] <jdstrand> mvo: and it would be felt on core too-- imagine something like the nm framework that ships some 10 binaries and a couple services. if only one of those needed to be updated, it would be wasteful to regenerate the other 11
[14:43] <jdstrand> mvo: that wouldn't be a blocker-- it could land later
[14:44] <jdstrand> mvo: but '1' is. we want to move straight to the cleaner/clearer yaml for security-override
[14:44] <jdstrand> mvo: also, ubuntu-core-launcher needs an update for hwaccess
[14:45] <jdstrand> mvo: and a systemd unit for regeneration
[14:45] <jdstrand> mvo: and apparmor update for /var/lib/snappy/apparmor/profiles
[14:45] <jdstrand> I'll handle that last one
[14:45] <jdstrand> feel free to do any of the others
[14:46] <mvo> jdstrand: what updated does u-core-launcher needs?
[14:46] <mvo> jdstrand: I will try to look into (1) next
[14:46] <jdstrand> mvo: if you recall, it is looking at the .json.additional file in /var/lib/apparmor/clicks
[14:47] <jdstrand> ok, I have a meeting in a few minutes and I need to step away
[14:49] <mvo> jdstrand: I did not, but now I do
[14:49] <mvo> jdstrand: thank you!
[14:49] <jdstrand> np
[14:50] <jdstrand> mvo: there is one last thing that won't block this merge> click-apparmor has the concept of .override files. with them, you can add to or remove from the caps/security-override
[14:51] <jdstrand> mvo: you can think of them as the user replacing security-template, caps and security-override from the package.yaml with their own
[14:52] <jdstrand> mvo: what click-apparmor does doesn't translate to this new world exactly, but this feature was important for Touch since users could, for example, remove the 'networking' policy group from the security perms
[14:53] <jdstrand> mvo: we'll want to design how this works. I mention it, cause I imagine it would be a 3rd file to merge into overrides. alternatively, the current hwassign file format could be keyed to handle both hwassign and user overrides
[14:54] <jdstrand> mvo: funny how redoing policy generation seemed like an easy task, no? (there is a lot of thought that went into how we did things before-- it is good that we can reuse what makes sense and refine/redo what doesn't)
[14:54] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks this makes sense. I slightly prefer that hw-assign does that, but have not put much thought into it yet
[14:55] <seb128> mvo, ogra_, hey, https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-upgrader/bug-1435774/+merge/256562 seems to be stalled in the sponsoring queue, could you have a look if that's still relevant or if it should be rejected?
[14:55] <JamesTait> dholbach, the title field in the metadata comes from the title field in the manifest for click packages. It sounds like that's not the case for snaps, though, so I'll have to check,
[14:55] <jdstrand> mvo: well, the good thing is, whatever we come up with is not a user visible change (in terms of packaging yaml). and since no one is doing user overrides on snappy yet, we have some time
[14:56] <dholbach> thanks JamesTait
[14:56] <jdstrand> mvo: but I mention it because if you had a strong preference on one file or two, you could go with it and adjust the launcher once
[14:56] <jdstrand> ok, gotta run for real
[14:56] <Chipaca> longsleep: could you file a bug for the modules thing?
[14:56] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks for your input
[15:03] <longsleep> Chipaca: yes sure
[15:15] <JamesTait> dholbach, Chipaca: do you have an example where the package title that's in CPI clearly isn't obtained from the package?
[15:15] <Chipaca> JamesTait: curl.tetor
[15:16] <JamesTait> Thanks, Chipaca.
[15:25] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks, I implemented the flat "security-overrides" in my branch now
[15:35] <JamesTait> dholbach, in answer to your previous question, yes, developers can override the values from the package metadata in the upload form - if they provide Application Name, I believe the package manifest is ignored for the title.
[15:36] <dholbach> JamesTait, so "Application Name" gets mapped to .title?
[15:36] <JamesTait> I'm just uploading a package to staging to verify this.
[15:36] * dholbach hugs JamesTait
[15:36] <dholbach> thanks a bunch!
[15:39] <longsleep> Chipaca: modules bug added as #1514890
[15:39] <longsleep> Chipaca: bug 1514890
[15:40] <Chipaca> taw
[15:46] <elopio> fgimenez: please check if you like how I'm ignoring test messages, and if you like it I'll do the same for setup and tear down:
[15:46] <elopio> https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/70
[15:47] <fgimenez> elopio, sure, on it
[15:50] <JamesTait> dholbach, http://people.canonical.com/~jtait/sample-snap.png is what I see if I fill in the Application Name, Tagline and Description fields in the form.
[15:51] <dholbach> JamesTait, right... I was just wondering which of the fields is later on used in .title?
[15:53] <JamesTait> That would be Application Name.
[16:01] <fgimenez> elopio, nice, it would be great to express the regexp to know if we have to ignore in terms of the format constants, but it's fine as it is
[16:01] <elopio> fgimenez: yeah, that's harder. Any tips? I didn't know how to escape the *.
[16:08] <fgimenez> elopio, there's https://golang.org/pkg/regexp/#QuoteMeta, haven't tried it though
[16:09] <elopio> let me try.
[16:14] <elopio> fgimenez: should those constants be in the reporter package? or maybe in the base_test
[16:17] <fgimenez> elopio, not sure, they are going to be used by the component that handles the reboot, whatever it is after the disection of common, and by the reporter pkg, maybe the data pkg as we have been doing so far for shared constants?
[16:18] <jdstrand> mvo: thanks! so, one thing I've been a bit concerned about is upgrades. I think the systemd unit will handle nearly everything, but for hardware assignment, need to migrate .json.additional to /var/lib/snappy/apparmor/additional?
[16:19] <jdstrand> mvo: also, security-override changes the yaml. I don't expect there to be anything that is using the current security-override (or at least nearly nothing)
[16:19] <mvo> jdstrand: yeah, I think you are spot on, we need to migrate .json.additional. security.md needs an update indeed
[16:19] <jdstrand> mvo: yeah, I'll do the security.md part
[16:20] <jdstrand> mvo: but I was worried about existing snaps or sideloading
[16:20] <jdstrand> mvo: well, worried, I'm not sure how I feel
[16:20] <mvo> jdstrand: its rolling, its ok to break stuff I think
[16:20] <jdstrand> mvo: ie, what happens if I sideload or snappy build with different versions of snappy
[16:21] <jdstrand> mvo: yes-- I was thinking that, but I don't think you can have snaps in the store with one version that targets rolling and another stable, can you?
[16:21] <jdstrand> I guess this is literally all the same questions as moving to squashfs
[16:22] <jdstrand> mvo: would it make sense to have a nicer error if the user specifies 'apparmor' and/or 'seccomp' in the security-override?
[16:23] <jdstrand> mvo: eg, if they do, then suggest using 'read-paths', 'write-paths' or 'syscalls' instead?
[16:23] <mvo> jdstrand: we can do that too
[16:23] <mvo> jdstrand: fine with me
[16:24] <jdstrand> I think that would ease my mind. that gets quite a bit easier now that you flattened it
[16:24] <mvo> ok
[16:24] <jdstrand> or at least-- it keeps the implementation cleaner (I think)
[16:25] <Chipaca> what's the status of booting with a 32bit uefi? is that working?
[16:28] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-upgrader/bug-1435774/+merge/256562 is in the sponsoring queue since april
[16:28] <seb128> and James isn't around anymore
[16:29] <seb128> could somebody have a look and say if that should be rejected or what?
[17:10] * ogra_ wonders what keeps the arm builders so busy
[17:11] <tbr> ogra_: wrestling tournament?
[17:11] <tbr> arm wrestling? get it? get it?
[17:11] <tbr> *badumtssssss*
[17:11] <ogra_> hah, yeah ...
[17:11] <ogra_> so funny !
[17:11] <ogra_> :)
[17:22] <longsleep> ogra_: Hey, has there been any development regarding update of the bootparts of the oem snap, plans for that?
[17:22] <ogra_> update in what way ?
[17:23] <ogra_> i'm still owing documentation for the uboot setup ... beyond that nothing is planned atm
[17:23] <longsleep> ogra_: eg. write new u-boot or .env when the oem snap updates or when the system image is updating
[17:23] <longsleep> as far as my understanding goes, the boot stuff is only written once and currently never updated - is that correct?
[17:23] <ogra_> yep
[17:24] <longsleep> ok - so i might have to work on this a bit soon
[17:24] <ogra_> that might change when we go for "everything is a snap"
[17:25] <longsleep> yeah - though that is tricky to make a safe operation, how does the user know that now would be bad to unplug power
[17:26] <ogra_> right
[17:26] <longsleep> at least he odroid does not have a backup location for alternate u-boot if the update screws it up or something
[17:26] <longsleep> so i think the operation should be manual in any case so the user can be told, not to turn off the device
[17:27] <ogra_> sudo snappy update-oem ?
[17:27] <longsleep> yeah something like that
[17:27] <ogra_> or rather "update-gadget" in future speak
[17:27] <ogra_> (not sure the bootloader will stay in oem)
[17:27] <longsleep> i think the snappy tool would be the correct place to put it
[17:27] <ogra_> right
[17:28] <longsleep> for now i might create something simple inside an unconfined snap - but i think this needs to be handled by snappy base software in the future
[17:29] <ogra_> well, like the kernel, rootfs and whatever else snaps
[17:31] <longsleep> yes - there could be a hook similar to the config hook which can be provided by the oem snap or by whatever snap owns the bootloader to precheck and generate a yaml for snappy to read the assets from
[17:31] <aluft> Exploring snappy for first time, struggling to change an applications apparmor config to "read a file" here is the log: audit: type=1400 audit(1447176418.849:1694): apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="system-status.victor_system-status_1.0.10" name="/etc/ubuntu-build" pid=4741 comm="cat" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[17:33] <ogra_> you cant read stuff outside of your confined area
[17:39] <aluft> thank you, can I change the confined area?
[17:44] <ogra_> probably not enough to read that file ...
[18:09] <Chipaca> longsleep: https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/pull/76 and .../77 for the 15.04 cherry-pick
[19:09] <kyrofa> ogra_, you still around?
[19:09] <ogra_> only partially
[19:09] <ogra_> whats up ?
[19:10] <kyrofa> ogra_, quick snappy spec question: snappy/doc/meta.md implies that the description key is only for services. Is that true? Not for binaries?
[19:11] <ogra_> uh, i dont know ... Chipaca might though
[19:11] <rickspencer3> hey all, I'm trying to use fswebcam in a snap on my rpi2, any ideas why I might get these errors: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13218060/
[19:11] <ogra_> but i guess it would be rather useless for binaries
[19:12] <ogra_> rickspencer3, you need to use hw-assign to enable the device access for the video device
[19:12] <rickspencer3> ogra_, did that
[19:12] <rickspencer3> in two ways
[19:12] <ogra_> hmm
[19:12] <ogra_> weird
[19:13] <ogra_> the last line is even weirder
[19:13] <kyrofa> Ah, sergiusens is around. Do you know the answer to my question ^^ ?
[19:13] <rickspencer3> sudo snappy hw-assign rest-cam.sideload /dev/video0
[19:13] <sergiusens> kyrofa, let me get back to you in a bit
[19:13] <rickspencer3> then, out of desperation:
[19:14] <rickspencer3> sudo snappy hw-assign rest-cam.sideload /devices/platform/soc/3f980000.usb/usb1/1-1/1-1.2/input/input1
[19:14] <ogra_> kyrofa, where would that description be shown ? i mean ... systemctl will sjow you a description for a service ... i dont see where you would show such a description for some random binary
[19:15] <rickspencer3> ogra_, I would assume that for a binary, the description would be shown in the store
[19:15] <kyrofa> rickspencer3, only the package description
[19:16] <ogra_> rickspencer3, where exactly ? the store doesnt show any content of a snap
[19:16] <kyrofa> ogra_, you're right, right now it wouldn't be used. But it will in the future (in GUIs etc.)
[19:16] <rickspencer3> sorry, I thought that was what you referred to
[19:16] <ogra_> kyrofa, so you expect guis that show snap content in the future ?
[19:22] <ogra_> grrrr ... why does launchpad always lie to me about publishing status
[19:50] <ogra_> \o/
[19:50] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-system-image/+build/42931
[19:51] <sergiusens> kyrofa, hey, so what was your question? I don't have enought scrollback
[19:51] <ogra_> raspi2 device tarballs now automatically from the normal rootfs build
[19:51] <kyrofa> sergiusens, got the answer from the code-- ignore me! :)
[19:52] <sergiusens> kyrofa, are you working on scopes still?
[19:52] <kyrofa> sergiusens, man, I'm working on _everything_ :P
[19:52] <sergiusens> kyrofa, it is sometimes like that ;-)
[19:53] <sergiusens> kyrofa, to test that box you tick on job summaries "self manage multiple tasks" :-P
[19:53] <kyrofa> sergiusens, hahaha :) . I love it though-- everything from kernel patches to scopes to the in-app purchase API
[19:54] <kyrofa> sergiusens, what are you up to these days?
[19:54] <kyrofa> Enjoying fatherhood?
[19:55] <sergiusens> kyrofa, that and snapcrafting :-P
[19:55] <kyrofa> Ahh, right, snapcraft. I knew you were on that
[19:56] <kyrofa> sergiusens, I think you gave me your cold, by the way
[19:57] <sergiusens> kyrofa, I didn't get a cold ;-)
[19:57] <sergiusens> so it couldn't have been me :-)
[19:57] <kyrofa> sergiusens, oh. Must have been my son's snotty kisses then
[19:57] <ogra_> thats the proper opensource way ... share !
[19:57] <sergiusens> lol
[19:58] <sergiusens> I don't want to share what I had, it is rather painful ;-)
[20:12] <wrd> hey
[20:32] <rtg> sergiusens, mvo: can one of you take a look at my snapcraft.yaml at git://kernel.ubuntu.com/rtg/kernel-snap.git and tell my why I can't seem to get files copied from stage into snap ?
[20:33] <rtg> p.s. - this is early work in progress
[20:34] <ogra_> rtg, why do you use plugin: make ?
[20:34] <ogra_> if you only want the binary debs
[20:34] <rtg> ogra_, 'cause it is what I know
[20:35] <ogra_> rtg, i'd just (ab)use the copy plugin
[20:35] <ogra_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/htop-unconfined/files
[20:36] <rtg> ogra_, you haven't looked at the Makefile, there is more to it then just copying
[20:36] <ogra_> ah
[20:36] <ogra_> yeah, i havent
[20:38] <rtg> ogra_, can you point me at the code that sergiusens uses to build a device tarball ? I'd like to hijack the initrd bits.
[20:39] <ogra_> i didnt know sergiusens builds device tarballs :)
[20:39] <rtg> ogra_, well, somebody does. I thought he did the platform image creation code
[20:40] <ogra_> rtg, for the fun of it, i replaced the whole code for building device tarballs today :) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/revision/1227
[20:40] <ogra_> you want the changes in live-build/auto/build there
[20:40] <sergiusens> rtg, we use livecdrootfs today
[20:40] <ogra_> thats exactly the code creating the device tarballs
[20:41] * sergiusens git clones
[20:41] <rtg> hmm, seems like there ought to be a way to do this without having to chroot.
[20:42] <ogra_> on the buildd ?
[20:43] <rtg> ogra_, no, I was thinking more about building snaps
[20:43] <ogra_> ah
[20:43] <ogra_> yeah, snapcraft should work without chroot
[20:44] <kyrofa> sergiusens, do you know what compression will be used for snappy's squashfs images?
[20:45] <ogra_> i guess thats an mvo question
[20:45] <sergiusens> kyrofa, the worst one (wrt to compression or speed I leave you to guess)
[20:45] * sergiusens trolls
[20:45] <sergiusens> kyrofa, one sec
[20:45] <kyrofa> :P
[20:45] <rtg> ogra_, it looks like this code is just using the initrd created by the kernel deb. I was thinking snap images had additional scripts in the initrd
[20:46] <rtg> for unconfinement, cloud-init, etc
[20:46] <ogra_> rtg, these scripts are in the initramfs-tools-ubuntu-core package
[20:46] <rtg> ok, I'll have a look there
[20:46] <ogra_> no, cloud-init isnt in the initrd
[20:47] <ogra_> rtg, if you want to ship an initrd i dont think you can get around a chroot ...
[20:48] <sergiusens> kyrofa, https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snappy/blob/master/pkg/snapfs/pkg.go#L134
[20:48] <rtg> ogra_, possibly. that'll make the initial snap staging take awhile to setup
[20:48] <sergiusens> kyrofa, this implementation is going to be moving to snapcraft though
[20:48] <kyrofa> sergiusens, XZ, perfect, thank you
[20:48] <ogra_> well, debootstrap --variant=minbase is enough for that
[20:48] <sergiusens> and snappy is losing its `build` command
[20:48] <ogra_> see the code above ...
[20:49] <ogra_> sergiusens, oh, really ?
[20:49] <rtg> ogra_, right
[20:49] <kyrofa> sergiusens, oh wow, I didn't know that
[20:49] <ogra_> no more manually hacking together package.yaml and such ?
[20:49] <sergiusens> no more package.yaml, no
[20:50] <ogra_> rtg, alternatively just pull one of the tarballs from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/current/ ... (the buildd chroot (or close to it)) ... and untar it
[20:51] <ogra_> thats faster than debootstrap
[20:51] <ogra_> and below 50M
[20:52] <ogra_> (well, indeed the right tarball for the right release)
[20:52] <rtg> ogra_, yup
[21:08] <mvo> kyrofa: we are using xz right now
[21:13] <kyrofa> mvo, shouldn't you be in bed or something?
[21:16] <sergiusens> kyrofa, it is not that late ;-)
[21:17] <kyrofa> :P
[21:17] <mvo> kyrofa: yes yes
[21:17] <mvo> kyrofa: I will be soon
[21:17] <mvo> sergiusens: well, trouble is that I need to get up early :(
[21:18] <sergiusens> and he left :-)
[23:30] <frecel> Hello
[23:30] <frecel> Popey said that someone here might be working on a snappy release for intel edison
[23:31] <popey> I heard a rumour, that's all :)
[23:32] <popey> sergiusens, do you know if anyone is working on an Edison port? frecel has one on the way and is keen to play with snappy :)
[23:38] <sergiusens> popey, frecel maybe lool
[23:38] <sergiusens> I have an edison as well
[23:38] <sergiusens> but it seems there are many versions of edison
[23:38] <sergiusens> sort of like nexus 7 being grouper and flo
[23:39] <frecel> sergiusens: As far as I know there is only one edison, but then there's gallileo and a couple of other x86 dev platforms from intel
[23:51] <sergiusens> frecel, right, well I know lool got one to boot ubuntu core; the only issue back then was potential bricking as iirc some u-boot bits needed tweaking
[23:52] <sergiusens> this was 5 months or so ago, so I don't recall that much
[23:53] <frecel> sergiusens: well then maybe I should talk to lool before I do anything to drastic
[23:53] <frecel> I wouldn't want to end up with a bricked edison
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-za
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[03:32] <theblazehen> Morning all
[04:56] <pieter2627> morning all
[04:58] <dcbane> evening
[05:03] <pieter2627> it is the first time I've seen you here dcbane, you new?
[05:03] <dcbane> still factory fresh
[05:03] <dcbane> only one owner
[05:03] <pieter2627> rofl
[05:04] <pieter2627> and milage?
[05:04] <pieter2627> :P
[05:04] <dcbane> 30 years
[05:04] <dcbane> yours?
[05:04] <pieter2627> ~22 * 365.25 * 23.75 hours
[05:05] <dcbane> ah, a spring chicken
[05:05] <dcbane> enjoy the youth while you still have it
[05:05] <pieter2627> thanks man, i'll
[05:05] <dcbane> ah typical...
[05:05] * dcbane gives Trixar_za a swift kick in the kernel
[07:53] <Squirm> Morning
[08:40] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:59] <pieter2627> hello Squirm inetpro
[09:54] <Kilos> hi inetpro pieter2627 and all others
[09:56] <pieter2627> hallo Kilos
[10:13] <Squirm> Heya Kilos
[10:18] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[11:21] <mazal> Afternoon
[11:21] <mazal> Oom Kilos !!
[12:32] <Kilos> hi mazal warm genoeg vir jou?
[12:33] <Kilos> skuus ek het geslaap
[12:35] <mazal> Goed om oom te sien :) Hoe gaanit ?
[12:37] <Kilos> goed dankie seun en by jou
[12:37] <Kilos> jy was lank weg ne
[12:39] <mazal> Gaan ok dankie oom
[12:44] <mazal> Moet eers gaan , lekker aand
[12:44] <Kilos> jy ook dankie
[12:44] <Kilos> ai!
[13:18] <theblazehen> Sup guys. This heat is killing me...
[17:55] <Kilos> hi superfly inetpro gremble dupingping Guest79630 Sxuza and others
[17:56] <Kilos> and theblazehen
[17:56] <theblazehen> Hi Kilos
[17:56] <Sxuza> hey Kilos :)
[17:56] <Sxuza> its been a while since i was here
[17:56] <Sxuza> ltns
[17:57] <Kilos> as long as you keep coming back you are fotrgiven
[17:57] <Kilos> hehe
[17:57] <Kilos> forgiven
[17:58] <Kilos> im still gonna retire when we hit 50 peeps here
[18:01] <Kilos> dcbane welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:02] <dcbane> thanks
[18:02] <dcbane> oh for crying out loud.... he's worse than on gig...
[18:02] * dcbane dunks Trixar_za's head in a flushing toilet
[18:08] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:09] <dcbane> yeh, trixxo and I go way back
[18:09] <dcbane> only reason I'm in this channel
[18:09] <dcbane> though seeing Squirm around is a bonus
[18:10] <Kilos> you know Trixar_za
[18:10] <Kilos> hes afk atm
[18:14] <Kilos> sigh nets sick tonight
[18:16] <dcbane> he's always afk
[18:16] <dcbane> hence the flushing head treatment
[18:30] <inetpro> good evening
[18:51] <dcbane> moin
[18:53] <magespawn> good evening
[20:36] <magespawn> later
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-classroom
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[22:02] <nelson_> hello I have ha problem with my ubuntu
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2015-11-10-#kubuntu-devel
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[00:35] <shadeslayer> sgclark: thanks for finishing off kscreenlocker
[00:41] <shadeslayer> sgclark: though it still needs the lib so version I think ;)
[01:26] <sgclark> shadeslayer: ok. And copyright. Will do that tomorrow, it is not a quick fix lol.
[01:43] <ahoneybun> damn why is it soooooo hard to find any KDE files?
[01:43] <ahoneybun> breeze icons in this moment
[02:11] <ahoneybun> I've updated the support page on the site with new breeze icons now. Feedback and Review needed :)
[02:32] <ahoneybun> man KDE does not like dual monitors...
[02:34] <ahoneybun> seems that xorg restarts after every change and then the monitor shuts down anyway
[05:57] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I can't come this year
[05:57] <ovidiu-florin> I've used up all my leave days :(
[10:58] <weigi> hi guys
[10:58] <weigi> the kubuntu-ci stable ppa start to depend on qt 5.5
[10:58] <weigi> how do i get qt 5.5?
[10:58] <weigi> or will qt 5.5 land in the same ppa eventually?
[12:07] <clivejo> any testers with xenial installed could you test kdeconnect-plasma for me please, its on my LP - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial/+packages
[12:09] <clivejo> yofel sgclark Riddell : is there a reason why kdeconnect-plasma is still at version 0.0, when the latest branch on github is 0.9?
[12:09] <Riddell> github? it's in kde
[12:09] <yofel> no idea
[12:09] <clivejo> or does the KF5 version not have versions yet?
[12:12] <Riddell> clivejo: yeah it's just because there's no releases of the kf5 version so it's usually best to stuck to 0.0+ so there's minimal danger of them releasing a lower version number
[12:13] <Riddell> vaca did say he'd made a release tar and I think that's why the branch exists but it didn't seem to happen
[12:15] <clivejo> is github not an official mirror - https://github.com/albertvaka/kdeconnect-kde/ ?
[12:16] <Riddell> mm I guess so
[12:16] <clivejo> shhhh dont tell valorie
[12:25] <Riddell> there was a long thread about github mirrors which I mostly avoided about whether people should be able to commit to them
[12:32] <sitter> sgclark: http://kci.pangea.pub/search/?q=screenlock needs me running the script to provision jobs
[12:32] <sitter> sgclark, yofel: xenial? yes? no? maybe?
[12:33] <yofel> sitter: wily for now
[12:33] <yofel> unless you plan to fully enable xenial. (I thought that wasn't the plan?)
[12:33] <sitter> I mean should I move the integration targets forward from [vivid, wily] to [wily, xenial]
[12:34] <sitter> yofel: up to you, I am not going to make it green. doesn't mean I can't enable you to do that though :P
[12:34] <yofel> then please do so
[12:34] <yofel> then we can wipe the vivid releaes from the PPAs
[12:37] <sitter> blurgh, first I need to fix the hardcoded docker upgrade mess I wrote last month
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:14] <BluesKaj> back on Trusty . Tired of small unreadable fonts on plasma5. Setting the fonts on systemsettings5 as root only works on titlebars , not the toolbars or dialogs on apps requiring root like partition editors etc ....it's a real pita
[13:53] <mitya57> yofel, ok if I fix kwin symbols?
[13:56] <yofel> erm, maybe
[13:57] <yofel> mgraesslin: so, did you guys reach a conclusion for https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/125883/ ?
[13:59] <mgraesslin> yofel: no
[14:00] <mitya57> Not a problem, I didn't realize there was an upstream discussion about it, can wait then.
[14:01] <mitya57> I just noticed it blocks some proposed migrations and the symbols were updated in Debian, so thought it's probably fine.
[14:05] <yofel> I didn't realize that they updated them
[14:05] <yofel> maxyz: why are those gccinternal?
[14:17] <sgclark> morning
[14:24] <mparillo> clivejo: I can try to install your PPA, but your link does not have the usual instructions.
[14:31] <mparillo> sudo add-apt-repository ~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/xenial/+packages ?
[14:34] <yofel> that URL translates to ppa:clivejo/xenial
[14:34] <soee> 5.4.3 in WIly ? ;o
[14:34] <clivejo> kdeconnect-plasma is in my wily archive too
[14:34] <yofel> soee: ETA for plasma is probably in a week or so
[14:34] <clivejo> I was going to try frameworks in xenial but I dont know how to do it
[14:40] <mparillo> Unpacking kdeconnect-plasma (0.0+git20151110-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1) over (0.0+git20150810-0ubuntu1) ...Setting up kdeconnect-plasma (0.0+git20151110-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1) ... Installing new version of config file /etc/xdg/autostart/kdeconnectd.desktop ...
[14:41] <mparillo> Seemed to install without errors
[14:42] <clivejo> can you test it?
[14:42] <clivejo> Ive it installed and tested sending files back and forth and the remote control
[14:42] <sgclark> soee: yofel I am working on 5.4.3 in wily yes.
[14:43] <sgclark> but first I need to make my desktop functional. depending on krunner to do anything is a real pita.
[14:43] <soee> sgclark: well i have udate shere on my PC @ work avaialble, was it releasd to Wily archive ?
[14:47] <sgclark> nope. it is in the staging. I do not advise upgrading right now..
[14:48] <soee> hmm, why Plasma is in staging-kdeapplications ?
[14:48] <sgclark> because I messed up. Need to delete those.
[14:48] <clivejo> would someone have time to guide me though staging frameworks for xenial using the old tools
[14:48] <soee> sgclark: ah to late i have them installed
[14:49] <sgclark> really should not keeps staging in your sources... it will only end up getting you in trouble...
[14:49] <sgclark> sources.list that is.
[14:49] <sgclark> clivejo: we need to work frameworks Xenial down. please hold off on that
[14:49] <sgclark> I am only doing plasma because it is a point release and will not go in Xenial
[14:49] <yofel> oh great, I broke the qa website
[14:49] <soee> ;D
[14:49] <sgclark> we will start 5.5 iin xenial
[14:49] <sgclark> I do not have access to do anything on the qa site. somehow my password changed.
[14:49] <clivejo> I dont understand what you mean by "work frameworks Xenial down"
[14:49] <sgclark> but I am under the impression we are losing that
[14:49] <sgclark> Needs to release to Xenial first, then we backporrt it to Wily etc
[14:49] <sgclark> And with that we HAVE to do debian merges
[14:50] <clivejo> yes, I understand that part
[14:50] <clivejo> debian merges?
[14:50] <sgclark> yeah a whole other beast.
[14:51] <clivejo> can I be involved in that to learn the process?
[14:51] <sgclark> of course. as soon as I learnn the process now that we share packaging in debian git.
[15:00] <yofel> hm, I guess you lost the password in the server move
[15:00] <yofel> pm
[15:01] <yofel> clivejo: process is easy. create/checkout xenial branch in git, git merge master, then sort out the mess
[15:02] <sgclark> ahh yes that will be easier.
[15:02] <clivejo> I need someone to guide me the first time, take notes and learn how its done
[15:03] <yofel> someone needs to make a long merge todo list on the pad, so we know what's done
[15:03] <sgclark> I can make the list.
[15:04] <maxyz> sgclark: Sorry, need some extra context, which symbols?
[15:04] <sgclark> I am out for training atm. At least until I have a functional desktop and my to-do list shrinks by a bit. I am far from expert on merges anyway.
[15:05] <sgclark> maxyz: I need context too, what ? lol
[15:05] <yofel> maxyz: the kwin epoxy diff (ee2ef307 in master)
[15:11] <maxyz> Ouch, sorry, wrong pong.
[15:12] <maxyz> yofel: Does it matter? Is there anything other that kwin that uses those symbols?
[15:14] <maxyz> yofel: Those symbols can be deleted, afaik
[15:16] <yofel> maxyz: well, I don't know, which is why I asked martin if he knew what was up and he pointed me to https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/125883/
[15:16] <yofel> so I just left them be for now
[15:27] <yofel> ok, so, I'm confused now
[15:30] <mck182___> ola, kwin seems to be failing cause of missing kidletime build dep --> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+build/8282141
[15:31] <mck182___> the latest package is a bit outdated
[15:39] <yofel> ok, well, meh. Guess I'll just update the kwin symbols and blame maxy if something goes wrong :/
[15:42] <mgraesslin> yofel: can I see what you want to do?
[15:43] <shadeslayer> mck182___: fixed
[15:45] <yofel> mgraesslin: cherry pick http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/kwin.git/commit/?id=ee2ef30743b749d34444f5a8f82f6963110e57e9
[15:46] <mgraesslin> maxyz: btw. it would have been awesome if debian would have informed us about that. You found an issue two months before we noticed it
[15:47] <mgraesslin> yofel: well, probably doesn't matter. The code is currently broken one way or the other
[15:48] <yofel> mgraesslin: ok, thanks. Then I'll patch it so our builds don't stay broken
[15:53] <shadeslayer> waiiiitttt
[15:53] <shadeslayer> that looks familiar
[15:54] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: yes, it is
[15:54] <shadeslayer> yeah
[15:54] <yofel> ^^
[15:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: that's literally what I've been working on for a month now xD
[15:54] <mgraesslin> which is exactly the point why a notice would have been nice
[15:54] <shadeslayer> :P
[15:54] <yofel> yeah, I read the reviewboard log
[15:54] <shadeslayer> indeed
[15:54] <mgraesslin> it would have saved us lots of time investigating
[15:54] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:57] <maxyz> Interesting, I'm way lagged behind with respect to sync things with upstream.
[16:02] * lisandro is way lagged wrt testing upstream stuff (the same thing, the other way around)
[16:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: maxyz lisandro https://wingolog.org/archives/2015/11/09/embracing-conways-law
[16:13] <yofel> interesting indeed. Still doesn't change the fact that NIH and forking gets people angry at you.
[16:13] <yofel> Although, I would probably live a happier life if I would put an I DON'T CARE stamp on every occurence I see.
[16:19] <mck182___> shadeslayer: you hero
[16:22] <shadeslayer> mck182___: waiting on kscreenlocker to build
[16:22] <mck182___> much hero
[16:22] <mck182___> that will fix workspace too eh?
[16:23] <shadeslayer> idk
[16:23] <shadeslayer> my workspace is broken because it depends on a old libgps
[16:23] <shadeslayer> on Debian
[16:24] <shadeslayer> I'll bbl
[17:42] <soee> sgclark: ping
[17:46] <sgclark> soee: pong
[17:46] <soee> sgclark: ah nothing, just fund ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma- testing 5.4.3
[17:47] <sgclark> soee: thanks!
[17:56] <soee> sgclark: smooth upgrade
[18:01] <sgclark> soee: great :)
[18:01] <sgclark> I now have a functional desktop. Just a few more testers and I will move to backports.
[18:04] <soee> +1
[18:04] <mamarley> sgclark: Of Plasma 5.4.3 on Wily? That is working great for me on all four systems I upgraded.
[18:04] <sgclark> mamarley: yes from staging?
[18:05] <mamarley> sgclark: Correct.
[18:05] <sgclark> excellent
[18:05] <sgclark> one more tester and I will move to backports.
[18:10] <soee> with 5.4.3 sddm background wallpaper has been fixed.changed i think
[18:10] <soee> now i have the new one from 5.4 not older
[18:11] <soee> sgclark: any idea if new applications bugfix release will be build for Wily ?
[18:12] <sgclark> soee starting the app bugfix right now
[18:12] <sgclark> for wily
[18:12] <soee> ah, cool. ping me when ready for test
[18:12] <sgclark> will do
[18:28] <yofel> the plasma packages have a wrong version :/
[18:29] <yofel> well, not important if they end up in backports
[18:29] <yofel> (not your fault scarlett, the relevant code was never finished)
[18:30] <soee> yofel: what version should it be?
[18:30] <yofel> -0ubuntu0.1~
[18:30] <yofel> will need fixing for the SRU, as well as the missing bug number. But that comes after I go the packageset fixed
[18:31] <soee> but it can be changed before move to backports ?
[18:31] <yofel> it technically doesn't matter, as the packages would be identical. It's just relevant for uploading to the archive
[18:32] <yofel> and people in the backports will eventually get plasma 5.5
[18:32] <yofel> *using the
[18:34] <soee> yofel: ok so we have 5.4.3 ready for Wily, sgclark working on apps, what about frameworks ?
[18:35] <yofel> dunno, the pad should say if someone is working on it
[18:52] <sgclark> o.1~ wait what? I have no clue what is going on here
[18:53] <sgclark> soee: no frameworks will no be done for a long time yet. It is going on Xenial which means merges need to be done
[18:53] <sgclark> yofel: I am out of the loop on this new versioning scheme
[18:53] <yofel> you ran the script in regular mode, not --sru. Hardly surprising as that was never implemented in staging-upload
[18:54] <yofel> it's not a new scheme, it's how we did the updates for the kde sc in the past. But that was before your time
[18:54] <sgclark> yeah I have never done that.
[18:57] <sgclark> perhaps something we can work on in Munich if the council ever responds to my request *cough*
[19:06] <yofel> I'll +1 as soon as I've talked to someone that knows how we actually get to our money..
[19:10] <yofel> sgclark: did you do the hotel reservation?
[19:10] <sgclark> yofel: yes, sorry will reply with reservations.
[19:11] <yofel> ok, np. Just wanted to make sure
[20:47] <sgclark> !testers
[20:48] <sgclark> I need one more tester for 5.4.3 please, official release now, I would like to get them in backports.
[20:48] <sgclark> wily
[20:48] <Riddell> sgclark: where is it?
[20:50] <sgclark> staging-plasma
[20:50] <sgclark> Riddell: ^
[20:51] <Riddell> let me see if I can upgrade or if the qt packages I installed get in the way
[20:52] <sgclark> Riddell: thanks!
[20:53] <Riddell> instalando
[20:55] <sgclark> does that mean success? lol
[21:04] <clivejo> not yet
[21:04] <clivejo> installing
[21:30] <mparillo> I have a 15.10 VM up. Is it still staging-plasma?
[21:35] <clivejo> did Riddell's install die?
[21:39] <mparillo> 112 to upgrade, 4 to install for me.
[21:57] <Riddell> installed, let me reboot
[22:00] * keithzg is trying to play along at home, but the 15.10 VM was updating super-slow since the ca.* mirror seems to be fairly glacial lately
[22:01] <genii> keithzg: You could try the yorku one if in Ontario
[22:02] <keithzg> genii: Naw, Alberta. Should probably just switch to us.*
[22:02] <genii> keithzg: Heh, maybe.
[22:03] <genii> keithzg: If you do want to try the York one, it's debian.yorku.ca
[22:04] <keithzg> genii: Cool cool. Huh, I don't see it listed on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[22:04] <keithzg> Although there's a UBC one.
[22:06] <genii> Shhhh
[22:06] <genii> ;)
[22:07] <genii> It's one they keep mostly for students but it's not widely published
[22:07] <mparillo> Rebooting, and I can see the new background behind SDDM.
[22:08] <valorie> Riddell: ping about Kubuntu funds
[22:08] <Riddell> hi valorie
[22:08] <valorie> how do we give out money?
[22:08] <valorie> hi
[22:08] <Riddell> valorie: well indeed, good question, I'm the one with access to the account and I can transfer to other UK accounts easily
[22:09] <Riddell> otherwise it's probably a case of paypal which has extra fees
[22:09] <Riddell> or cash in hand
[22:09] <valorie> paypal is fastest though -- esp. if scarlett is to come to Munich
[22:09] <mparillo> Dolphin and rekonq came up fine. Funny Dolphin in help about did not seem to have a version number, either for Dolphin or KDE
[22:09] <Riddell> yes
[22:09] <valorie> or you could just buy her ticket I guess
[22:09] <Riddell> yes that's the other way
[22:10] <Riddell> or we get a travel agent to do it but that has other fees
[22:10] <valorie> right
[22:10] <Riddell> probably it would work if I bought stuff
[22:10] <valorie> sgclark: about?
[22:10] <valorie> how about you choose your ticket and just have Riddell buy it?
[22:10] <sgclark> valorie: present
[22:10] <valorie> kewl
[22:10] <mparillo> I also do not get a KDE version in Konsole > Help > About KDE.
[22:11] <Riddell> sgclark: I like to use ebookers often
[22:11] <mparillo> Sorry, I have to go,
[22:11] <sgclark> Riddell: valorie sure, I sent the ticket I found to devel in my request
[22:11] <valorie> did you figure out how much the ticket would be? so the council can say yeah we want to spend this money
[22:11] <Riddell> mparillo: KDE has no version, we are a community :)
[22:11] <valorie> oops
[22:12] <sgclark> Riddell: get me whatever gets me to Munich, I trust you. But the less stops the better... Also On the way back I must have at least 2 hours on layover for customs.
[22:12] <Riddell> ah yes google flights, I always forget about that
[22:13] <sgclark> Riddell: valorie there is also the cost of the room. How do we do that?
[22:13] <Riddell> sgclark: did you book the room already?
[22:14] <sgclark> Riddell: yes, that was also in the request, albeight added today as a reply.
[22:14] <Riddell> sgclark: if you booked it already I can give you cash in hand in munich
[22:14] <Riddell> else paypal I guess
[22:14] <sgclark> Riddell: that would work, thank you
[22:14] <valorie> Riddell: we need to get the fund changed after this, I guess
[22:15] <Riddell> valorie: up to you, no need to
[22:15] <valorie> ok
[22:15] <valorie> sgclark: it is worthwhile to still ask the ubuntu fund, and if you get paid later, pay back the kub fund
[22:15] <valorie> if not, ok
[22:17] <Riddell> yes certainly
[22:17] <sgclark> sure, I did that for kde. np
[22:17] <valorie> excellent
[22:19] <sgclark> Riddell: just give me a number when all is done.
[22:22] <valorie> sorry, gotta make a run to goodwill
[22:36] <Riddell> sgclark: how's this? http://embra.edinburghlinux.co.uk/~jr/tmp/sgclark.pdf
[22:36] * sgclark looks
[22:37] <sgclark> Riddell: perfect
[22:38] <ahoneybun> so people are going somewhere
[22:39] * ahoneybun would love working display configs
[22:39] <ahoneybun> everytime I make a change it restart X I think
[22:39] <ahoneybun> since it throws me to the login
[22:40] <soee> ahoneybun: can you test 5.4.3 ?
[22:40] <Riddell> sgclark: groovy booked
[22:40] <ahoneybun> where is it>
[22:40] <ahoneybun> soee: ?
[22:40] <Riddell> sgclark: e-mail forwarded
[22:40] <ahoneybun> anything that gets display things working
[22:40] <ahoneybun> I was in GNOME for a little on a USB
[22:41] <soee> ahoneybun: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=wily
[22:41] <soee> staging-plasma ppa
[22:42] <Riddell> sgclark: now I do have a spare sofa bed in my room at motel-one, I wouldn't mind being gentlemanly and taking that and you could have the bed bed, but then you'd have to put up with the room smelling of boy
[22:42] <ahoneybun> apt-add or add-apt>
[22:42] <wxl> add-apt
[22:42] <sgclark> ahoneybun: a little more background needed that display not working. You arent on CI are you? if so that is borked atm. And you need to use staging soee just linked.
[22:42] <soee> ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma
[22:42] <ahoneybun> mm
[22:42] <sgclark> add-apt-repository
[22:43] <ahoneybun> sgclark: I'm on stock wily atm
[22:43] <sgclark> Riddell: that is fine. We can do that.
[22:43] <sgclark> ahoneybun: hmm ok. can you try the staging jjust to see if it fixes your issue?
[22:43] <ahoneybun> upgrading now sgclark
[22:43] <ahoneybun> I saw something fixed about displays in a blog post in 5.4.3
[22:46] <sgclark> Riddell: My husband has made me immune to the smell of boy =p . Just say the word to confirm and I will cancel my reservation.
[22:46] <Riddell> sgclark: go for it :)
[22:46] <sgclark> ok great
[22:48] <sgclark> Riddell: cancelled. You officially have a roomate.
[22:48] <Riddell> yay
[22:48] <sgclark> Thanks valorieand Riddell for making this happen.
[22:48] <sgclark> err valorie and Riddell.
[22:48] <sgclark> will be a busy few days lol
[22:49] <Riddell> and not even a dr who special to keep us entertained this time
[22:49] <Riddell> although.. there should be a dr who normal episode!
[22:49] <ahoneybun> sgclark: funny thing about the display issue is that it was working before but then I turned off the other monitor and it will not stay on now lol
[22:49] <sgclark> Riddell: woot!
[22:49] * ahoneybun wishes he had time off from work to go
[22:49] <Riddell> sgclark: do you have a debian wiki login? (they're faffy to get) https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2015/11/Munich
[22:49] <sgclark> Riddell: no I don't
[22:50] <ahoneybun> though I can't code
[22:50] <Riddell> sgclark: added you
[22:50] <sgclark> ahoneybun: hmm. Not really sure on display issue. I have to ask, did you file a bug w/ KDE?
[22:50] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Start small ;)
[22:51] <sgclark> ahoneybun: well you were coming along with packaging, but then stopped :(
[22:51] <sgclark> Riddell: ty
[22:51] <ahoneybun> not yet sgclark tbh I'm not sure if it is X or KWin or something else
[22:51] <sgclark> ahoneybun: have you looked through .xession_errors? that is a good place to start
[22:51] <ahoneybun> sgclark: I've been a little busy getting my LoCo back up and running
[22:52] <ahoneybun> sgclark: in ~ ?
[22:52] <sgclark> ahoneybun: awesome!
[22:52] <sgclark> ahoneybun: yes
[22:52] <ahoneybun> and got a Release Party together
[22:52] <ahoneybun> sgclark: http://usefoss.com/index.php/2015/10/27/15-10-release-party-result-success/
[22:53] <sgclark> very cool. wxl and I need to begin thinking about our planning lol
[22:53] <wxl> yup
[22:53] <wxl> meanwhile i gotta see if i can get meetup set up for ours
[22:53] <ahoneybun> sgclark: is that log from boot on or is it kept inbetween boots?
[22:54] <ahoneybun> mhall119 did it for us
[22:54] <sgclark> ahoneybun: it is session ahoneybun
[22:54] <sgclark> should be writing as you do things.
[22:55] <sgclark> gonna need journlctl -b for boot messages (I think)
[22:55] <ahoneybun> mm sgclark this is going to take awhile
[22:55] <sgclark> oh no hurry here, busy with applications
[22:56] <sgclark> ahoneybun: we can probably take this to email.
[22:56] <ahoneybun> I don't even know the name of what I'm looking for lol
[22:56] <sgclark> just paste me the log and email me a link
[22:57] <ahoneybun> your email or the list>
[22:57] <sgclark> my email. I can pick out the bits needed if we need outside help
[22:58] <ahoneybun> the damn paste site is lagging or my keyboard is off
[22:58] <ahoneybun> so slow to type
[23:00] <ahoneybun> sgclark: I can tell you from a lveUSB this does not happen in Ubuntu GNOME or Ubuntu
[23:00] <ahoneybun> brb or not, reboot
[23:04] <ahoneybun> well I booted
[23:04] <ahoneybun> but the issue is still there
[23:18] <sgclark> ok ahoneybunback to plan B and you send me logs so I can try and track down or create a bug report. It needs attention obviously.
[23:19] <sgclark> ahoneybun: ^
[23:20] <ahoneybun> sgclark: I did
[23:21] <sgclark> ok, I will take a look as soon as I can. thanks
[23:22] <wxl> sgclark: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports is what i want for the trusty updates?
[23:24] <sgclark> wxl: yes, sorry I am trying to improve my blog posts
[23:24] <wxl> ahoneybun: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa should be linked on https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs. i'd do it myself but i don't think i have access
[23:24] <sgclark> did better today haha
[23:24] <wxl> sgclark: no prob. did you see the one on the kde blog? it linked to the bugs for the kubuntu-ppa PROJECT, not the ppas themselves XD
[23:26] <sgclark> kde blog?
[23:26] <wxl> i think that's right
[23:26] <wxl> lemme dig it up
[23:27] <wxl> sorry
[23:27] <wxl> kubuntu wire
[23:27] <sgclark> wxl: ahoneybun: that whole section looks to be pretty dated. though mostly right.
[23:27] <wxl> http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=419
[23:27] <ahoneybun> it is
[23:28] <wxl> oh i guess that's marco's doing not to point any fingers
[23:29] <sgclark> wxl: I see what he did. He put a link to instructions on how to add ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports.
[23:30] <wxl> oh i guess you're right
[23:30] <wxl> eye kan red
[23:30] <wxl> i mean
[23:30] <wxl> eye kan reed
[23:30] <sgclark> there are several methods including within Muon or commandline. Which could get repetitive to write. Though that link seems ubunutish, not sure it would have Muon instructions.
[23:30] <sgclark> lol
[23:31] <sgclark> nm eye can reed too, it is Kubuntu specific
[23:32] <wxl> i just saw "kubuntu ppa link" and went for it
[23:32] <sgclark> hehe
[23:33] <sgclark> Riddell: sorry was your update successful with the staging plasma?
[23:34] <sgclark> I am not counting ahoneybun upgrade fail because the issue was pre existing...
[23:35] <ahoneybun> it works so far
[23:35] <ahoneybun> not the monitor but everything elese
[23:35] <sgclark> ok great
[23:36] <ahoneybun> I count it booting to be a big plus lol
[23:36] <sgclark> lol that is a good start indeed
[23:44] <ahoneybun> sgclark: kwin being the issue would explain why it worked on Unity and GNOME since they use the same WM right/.'
[23:44] <ahoneybun> ?
[23:45] <sgclark> ahoneybun: afraid I know nothing about gnome or unity, so I cannot answer that.
[23:45] <ahoneybun> mm I think they do
[23:46] <ahoneybun> they would be using the same version of Xorg
[23:46] <sgclark> I thought unity was its own thing /shrug
[23:46] <ahoneybun> Metacity used to be the WM
[23:46] <ahoneybun> now it is something GNOME made
[23:46] <ahoneybun> again
[23:46] * ahoneybun did like the simple nature of GNOME shell
[23:48] <ahoneybun> m
[23:49] <ahoneybun> I wonder what happens when I move to the intel card
[23:50] <ahoneybun> everything worked great at a Tech space near me
[23:50] <ahoneybun> I was playing Steam on aBIG tv
[23:52] <ahoneybun> and the issue is NVIDIA
[23:52] <ahoneybun> the intel works fine with the monitor
[23:52] <ahoneybun> really weird since it worked before
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[00:00] <Geese_Howard> barna_: ah, não resolveu
[00:00] <Geese_Howard> barna_: contornou
[00:00] <barna_> só consigo entrar em qualquer coisa da google com vpn
[00:00] <barna_> isso, contornei
[00:01] <barna_> usando dns 4.2.2.1,4.2.2.2 diminui o problema, mas as vezes não entra
[00:02] <Geese_Howard> barna_: você já tentou mudar a identificação do browser?
[00:03] <Geese_Howard> barna_: é só curiosidade, se vc não tiver mais "paciência" para isso tudo bem
[00:03] <Geese_Howard> barna_: eu uso gvt aqui e só tenho shapper para torrent e xvideos.com
[00:03] <Geese_Howard> barna_: para torrent o vuze (com cripto no header e nos pacotes) resolve
[00:05] <Geese_Howard> barna_: algo assim
[00:05] <Geese_Howard> barna_: http://www.howtogeek.com/113439/how-to-change-your-browsers-user-agent-without-installing-any-extensions/
[00:06] <barna_> huuummmm. é uma possibilidade.
[00:06] <astroo-> com vpn ate a lua podes ir "piada"...
[00:09] <barna_> torrent aki vai de boas.
[00:22] <nuno_nunes> boa noite
[00:22] <nuno_nunes> alguem precisa de suporte
[00:23] <astroo-> ola
[00:23] <astroo-> agora nao
[00:24] <nuno_nunes> astroo-, eu falei para todos :D
[00:25] <astroo-> eu estou ca ha horas para saber pa
[00:25] <nuno_nunes> tu passas ca a vida lol
[00:27] <lucas_> Oi
[00:28] <astroo-> ola
[00:28] <nuno_nunes> ola precisas de alguma ajuda?
[00:28] <astroo-> 6h/dia +-
[00:28] <nuno_nunes> eu menos :D
[00:29] <Guest5120> estava com um problema com o mouse no ubuntu de piscar pediram pra troar os drivers.. troquei mas deu errto ACPI
[00:29] <nuno_nunes> nao entendi
[00:30] <nuno_nunes> é desktop ou notebook
[00:30] <Guest5120> desktop
[00:31] <nuno_nunes> eu não cheguei a entender a tua pergunta
[00:31] <barna_> nuno_nunes, só te passar a info, ele ta usando nvidia com 2 monitores, tava usando o driver padrão do instalação ubuntu
[00:31] <nuno_nunes> onde deu erro
[00:31] <nuno_nunes> ele tem que instalar os drivers proprietarios
[00:31] <nuno_nunes> :D
[00:32] <barna_> nuno_nunes, foi q falei pra ele, ele bootou e voltou falando q deu erro de acpi
[00:33] <nuno_nunes> erro no acpi?
[00:33] <nuno_nunes> que erro lhe aparece escrito
[00:33] <nuno_nunes> que ubuntu ele esta a usar
[00:33] <Guest5120> 14.04.. vou vr se consigo o error
[00:34] <Guest5120> ACPI PCC Probe Failed erro
[00:34] <nuno_nunes> mas escreve num pastbin
[00:34] <nuno_nunes> :D
[00:34] <nuno_nunes> ah isso
[00:34] <nuno_nunes> lol
[00:35] <nuno_nunes> mas instalou o driver?
[00:35] <Guest5120> instalei e reiniciei e quando voltou veio esse error
[00:35] <nuno_nunes> onde apareceu o erro
[00:36] <nuno_nunes> ve se consegues abrir o painel de controlo da nvidia
[00:36] <Guest5120> antes de iniciar o ubuntu
[00:36] <Guest5120> aparece como se fosse o dos
[00:36] <nuno_nunes> isso é relativo
[00:36] <nuno_nunes> o meu da um erro apci:readeon module :D
[00:36] <nuno_nunes> mas eu nem ligo
[00:36] <nuno_nunes> :D
[00:37] <nuno_nunes> mas inicia bem?
[00:37] <nuno_nunes> ve se abre o painel de controlo da nvidia?
[00:37] <Guest5120> aqui não inicia
[00:38] <nuno_nunes> que driver instalaste
[00:38] <Geese_Howard> vish, travaram o desktop do menino
[00:39] <nuno_nunes> quem :S
[00:39] <nuno_nunes> Geese_Howard, eu estou a tentar ajudar?
[00:39] <Guest5120> nvidia que se encontra no proprio linux - drivrs
[00:39] <nuno_nunes> aparece varios
[00:39] <nuno_nunes> um open e proprietário
[00:39] <Geese_Howard> eu quero ver debugar isso
[00:40] <Geese_Howard> sem entender de linux
[00:41] <nuno_nunes> ??????
[00:41] <Geese_Howard> nuno_nunes: vai ter que entrar no sistema via livecd
[00:42] <nuno_nunes> quem
[00:42] <Geese_Howard> nuno_nunes: desabilitar o driver da nvidia e/ou a checagem do acpi no grub.cfg
[00:42] <Geese_Howard> nuno_nunes: alias, no defaults do grub
[00:42] <nuno_nunes> eu nao uso nvidia
[00:42] <nuno_nunes> :E
[00:42] <Guest5120> nuno_nunes: proprietario
[00:42] <nuno_nunes> e o meu esta todo funcional
[00:42] <nuno_nunes> :D
[00:43] <Geese_Howard> nuno_nunes: não estou falando do seu
[00:43] <nuno_nunes> Geese_Howard, mas chamas-te a mim
[00:43] <nuno_nunes> :S
[00:44] <Geese_Howard> nuno_nunes: esquece...
[00:47] <Guest5120> Nada
[00:52] <Geese_Howard> Guest5120: qual você prefere
[00:52] <Geese_Howard> Guest5120: nada o que?
[00:54] <Guest5120> deixo pra proxima
[00:54] <Guest5120> complicado
[00:57] <Geese_Howard> kkkkk
[00:58] <nuno_nunes> Geese_Howard, fica bem amigo
[00:58] <nuno_nunes> eu vou dormir
[00:58] <Geese_Howard> hasta!
[00:59] <astroo-> ate
[01:00] <encapuzado> astroo-: vc usa ubuntu? nao sabia
[01:41] <Wallace> Boa noite galera
[01:41] <astroo-> ola
[01:42] <Wallace> sou usuário iniciante, fiz a instalação do ubuntu 15.04
[01:43] <Wallace> instalação usuando o vitual box
[01:43] <astroo-> poe sempre a duvida
[01:44] <Wallace> acontece que deixo o ubuntu na mesma faixa de ip da minha rede, até consigo pingar em outros computadores mas ele não navega
[01:44] <Wallace> alguém pode me dar uma dica do que seja
[01:44] <astroo-> es novo no canal?
[01:45] <Wallace> sou sim
[01:45] <astroo-> bem-vindo e da uns 15 minutos pela possivel resposta de alguem
[01:46] <Wallace> ok, agredeço pela sua colaboração
[01:46] <hggdh> Wallace: ubuntu deveria conectar-se auto-magicamente à tua rede, via DHCP.
[01:47] <Wallace> olha, até tentei essa opção
[01:48] <Wallace> a única coisa que vejo diferente e que ainda não testei é o fato da minha maquina ser um notebook e a conexão de rede ser via wirelles
[01:49] <Wallace> então ainda não testei a conexão via cabo
[01:49] <hggdh> ainda assim. A conexão deveria ser automatica via DHCP
[01:49] <Wallace> pois é
[01:49] <Wallace> estranhei isso
[01:49] <Wallace> já havia pesquisado alguns tutoriais
[01:50] <Wallace> a conexão é basica
[01:50] <Wallace> mas ainda sim estou tendo dificuldades
[01:51] <astroo-> New encryption ransomware targets Linux systems http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/new-encryption-ransomware-targets-linux-systems/
[01:55] <Wallace> todos tutoriais que vejo eles pedem pra executar comandos que tem que ser instalados primeiramente, baixando pacotes, mas como vou fazer isso se justamente meu problema é a não conexão com a internet
[01:57] <diff_> 16.04 esta cheio de bugs
[02:00] <Wallace> alguém com alguma dica :(
[03:50] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[11:12] <mirqui> bom dia :)
[11:14] <elisboa> dia
[11:14] <elisboa> como vai, mirqui
[11:14] <elisboa> ?
[11:15] <mirqui> blza , tudo bem graças a deus , e por ai :)?
[11:25] <faelz> bom dia
[11:25] <Proteus> Por favor... alguem pode me dar uma ajuda?
[11:25] <faelz> Alguém pode me indicar alguma interface de gerenciamento do Apache? Menos ApacheGUI
[11:26] <faelz> Proteus: se vc disser seu problema ficar mais fácil de alguém saber se pode lhe ajudar.
[11:26] <Proteus> uso um computador IBM Lenovo cm processador Intel® Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz × 2 e placa Intel® 965Q x86/MMX/SSE2 de 32 bits com Ubuntu 15.10 Não consigo ler arquivos PDF e nem as caixas de diálogo do Linux porque as letras e palavras em ambos aparecem borradas. Algumas imagens tambem aparecem borradas e até o gráfico do google earth fica chuviscado mas consigo assitir videos no computador e no youtube normalmente. Como f
[11:27] <Geese_Howard> faelz: eu não recomendo utilizar interface para algo totalmente dominado por vários arquivos de configuração
[11:27] <Geese_Howard> faelz: mas se você insiste tem o webmin
[11:28] <Proteus> obs.: fazer um downgrade é a ultima opção que eu prefiro
[11:28] <faelz> Geese_Howard: é algo muito recomendado, vide Puppet Labs
[11:28] <Proteus> Uso Ubuntu 15.10 Não consigo ler arquivos PDF e nem as caixas de diálogo do Linux porque as letras e palavras em ambos aparecem borradas. Algumas imagens tambem aparecem borradas e até o gráfico do google earth fica chuviscado mas consigo assitir videos no computador e no youtube normalmente. Como faço para reparar ess problema?
[11:28] <faelz> Proteus: vc tem que testar em outras versões.
[11:29] <Proteus> versões anteriores não apresentavam esse problema
[11:29] <faelz> Proteus: talvez vc tenha alterado configurações de mime type
[11:29] <Proteus> foi só quando fiz upgrade para o ubuntu 15.10
[11:29] <faelz> Proteus: vc já reinstalou o 15.10?
[11:29] <Proteus> não reinstalei
[11:30] <Proteus> ta complicado fazer um backup... entende?
[11:30] <faelz> Então instale essa versão do zero. Já tem quase uma semana que vc está tentando resolver isso.
[11:30] <faelz> Proteus: pq é complicado fazer backup?
[11:30] <Proteus> problemas aqui
[11:30] <faelz> Cria uma partição do HD para colocar os arquivos.
[11:31] <faelz> no HD*
[11:35] <Proteus> Alguem mais tem opiniões para o problema que estou enfrentando?
[11:35] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: já pensou em usar outra distro?
[11:35] <Proteus> qual?
[11:36] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: qualquer uma que não seja ubuntu
[11:36] <Proteus> nunca pensei nisso
[11:38] <Proteus> mas ubuntu não é o melhor do Linux?
[11:38] <Proteus> qual seria a "melhor" distro?
[11:39] <Proteus> qual a melhor distro para um usuario medio?
[11:40] <shallwe> Proteus, ubuntu :)
[11:40] <shallwe> já vem tudo pronto, como ser melhor que isso
[11:43] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: a questão não é ser melhor
[11:44] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: to focando no seu problema sem solução
[11:44] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: para mim está longe de ser a melhor
[11:44] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: é a mais "lazy", mas não é a melhor
[11:44] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: veja, você tem um problema que não resolve. e aí?
[11:44] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: pra mim é bug
[11:44] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: alias, é cheio de bug esse tal de ubuntu
[11:44] <shallwe> Geese_Howard, o que é bug?
[11:45] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: inseto
[11:45] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: em inglês
[11:45] <shallwe> kkk
[11:45] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: você sabe que a versão 15.10 não é a mais estável, mas não quer voltar para a 14.04
[11:45] <shallwe> a bom vc já respondeu o ubuntu é bug
[11:45] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: então tente outra distro
[11:47] <shallwe> ubuntu bom sem bug são as versões LTS
[11:49] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: pois é, mas ele me parece que não quer fazer o downgrade
[11:49] <shallwe> Geese_Howard, a bom ele ta com a 15.10 então
[11:50] <shallwe> não tem diferença nenhuma! a não ser a barra lateral que ela é diferente
[11:50] <shallwe> se pegar o ubuntu 14.04 e colocar o kernel 4.2 pronto, fica ubuntu 15.10 kkk
[11:51] <shallwe> falando a grosso modo claro
[11:51] <Proteus> estou com a 15.10.... mas eu ja disse que queria uma solução sem ter que fazer downgrade pra 14.04
[11:51] <shallwe> Proteus, e qual seria o seu problema?
[11:52] <Proteus> shallwe, Não consigo ler arquivos PDF e nem as caixas de diálogo do Linux porque as letras e palavras em ambos aparecem borradas. Algumas imagens tambem aparecem borradas e até o gráfico do google earth fica chuviscado mas consigo assitir videos no computador e no youtube normalmente.
[11:52] <shallwe> Proteus, a ta lembrei de vc
[11:52] <shallwe> Proteus, vc tem um pc antigo né?
[11:52] <shallwe> beeeeem antigo
[11:53] <shallwe> você já testou windows 8 nele?
[11:54] <Proteus> acabei de arrancar o windows dele... nao quero mais ouvir essa palavra
[11:54] <shallwe> qual era o windows?
[11:54] <shallwe> 7?
[11:54] <Proteus> acho que xp.... não sei
[11:55] <Rhades> Bom dia a todos
[11:55] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: entenda, algum pacote está lascando seu antialiasing
[11:55] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: qual?
[11:55] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: deus sabe
[11:55] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: alias, você reportou este seu problema aos desenvolvedores do ubuntu?
[11:55] <Geese_Howard> Rhades: dia
[11:55] <Rhades> Instalei o ubuntu 14.04 e quando inicia ele entra na tela do GRU, como faco para iniciar direto?
[11:56] <Geese_Howard> Rhades: reinstala
[11:56] <shallwe> Proteus, é que o seguinte, o ubuntu 15.10 e posteriores eles são pensados sempre no futuro ou no agora, e seu pc é antigo, tem uma gma 945 eu acho, esse processador é de anos atrás, é como querer rodar windows 8 ou 10 nela, até vai, mas cheio de bug
[11:56] <Rhades> so reinstalando que vaii resolver
[11:56] <shallwe> com esse seu processador seria interessante máximo windows 7 ou claro, ubuntu 14.04
[11:56] <shallwe> diferença de que lógico, o windows ainda dá mais suporte pra placas de vídeo antigas, windows não, a intel digamos assim
[11:57] <Rhades> e pra colocar acentuacao e cedilha, como faco?
[11:57] <shallwe> não adianta querer instalar ubuntu só pq é linux e esperar que funcione na máquina do tempo do epa
[11:58] <Proteus> o meu é um Lenovo thinkcentre m55 da IBM
[11:58] <Proteus> isso é antigo?
[11:59] <shallwe> Proteus, ntegrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3000
[11:59] <shallwe> é a gma 3000
[12:00] <shallwe> isso é antes dos i3 i5 ou i7 da intel só fazer as contas
[12:00] <Geese_Howard> Rhades: configura o teclado corretamente
[12:00] <Nexian> Bom dia a todos
[12:00] <Geese_Howard> Nexian: dia
[12:00] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: agora tá explicado
[12:00] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: sua placa de video é uma benção de deus
configurei mas ele nao acentua e nem coloca cedilha.
[12:00] <shallwe> kk eu to falando isso a dias
[12:00] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: realmente, antigo e pouco suportado
[12:00] <Nexian> gostaria de perguntar uma coisa bem besta...é sabem se o ubuntu funciona normalo touch sreen ?
[12:00] <Geese_Howard> Rhades: então não configurou direito
[12:00] <shallwe> nem windows dá mais suporte pra isso
[12:01] <Geese_Howard> Nexian: não tão bem quanto o windows, mas funciona
[12:01] <shallwe> mas Proteus, uma boa dica seria o ubuntu 14.04
[12:01] <shallwe> até pelo kernel que ele usa
[12:01] <Nexian> Geese mais tem que instalar algo ou ja vem embarcado ?
[12:01] <shallwe> agora imagina, um kernel 4.2
[12:01] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: a melhor coisa seria passar esse notebook para frente, se pretende continuar usando linux
[12:01] <faelz> Rhades: existem vários padrões de teclado, veja qual é o seu para configurar corretamente
[12:01] <Geese_Howard> Nexian: provavelmente tem que instalar as ferramentas de suporte
[12:01] <Proteus> é um desktop
[12:02] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: pior
[12:02] <Nexian> a tendi vlw (y) sabe nome de algum ?
[12:02] <Geese_Howard> Nexian: nome do que?
[12:02] <shallwe> Proteus, eu acho que o ubuntu 14.04 funciona e bem
[12:02] <faelz> Nexian: apenas versões mais novas do linux tem suporte a touch
[12:02] <Nexian> tendi
[12:02] <faelz> Nexian: tente o Ubuntu 15.10
[12:02] <shallwe> Proteus, se não pode tentar algo mais leve tipo lubuntu, mas a versão 14.04 também
[12:02] <Geese_Howard> Nexian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touchscreen
[12:02] <Geese_Howard> Nexian: dá uma lida
[12:03] <Nexian> vlw <3 galera
[12:03] <Geese_Howard> Nexian: para te elucidar
[12:03] <Rhades> Pra nao entrar mais na tela doo GRU qdo inicia so reinstalando mesmo pra resolver?
[12:04] <faelz> Rhades: nas configurações do proprio SO
[12:04] <shallwe> outra coisa é o steam machine, querendo lançar jogos pra linux kkk, ta mais que obvio que assim que sair o steam machine voce terá opção de colocar windows 10 nele
[12:04] <Geese_Howard> Rhades: na verdade não
como configuro?
[12:04] <shallwe> a microsoft já até entrou em contato com a equipe deles
[12:04] <Geese_Howard> Rhades: mas não é trivial, então sugiro você reinstalar
[12:04] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: dá uma lida aqui: https://fedoramagazine.org/solution-graphics-issues-intel-graphics-chipsets-fedora-22/
[12:04] <Proteus> é só eu baixar o arquivo do ubuntu .iso e salvar no dvd?
[12:05] <shallwe> Proteus, gravar sim
[12:05] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: é uma incompatibilidade entre o driver intel atual e o novo kernel
[12:05] <shallwe> Proteus, ou usa um pendrive acho bem melhor
[12:05] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: então, ou você espera o ubuntu atualizar o driver intel ou faz downgrade do kernel
[12:06] <Proteus> vai ficar muito complicado fazer um backup aqui
[12:06] <shallwe> não consegui instalar ubuntu 15.10 pq esse kernel não deu suporte pra ati radeon drive proprietário
[12:06] <Proteus> tentei de todas as formas outras alternativas
[12:06] <shallwe> ai voltei pro 14.04 mesmo
[12:06] <shallwe> Proteus, mas não é só salvar sua home?
[12:07] <faelz> Rhades: tenta pesquisar primeiro
[12:07] <Rhades> Ok, valeu galera
[12:08] <Proteus> eu tenho pouco conhcimento tecnico.... sou até acima da média, mas.... não entendo a maioria das coisas que voces escrevem
[12:08] <Proteus> o que seria "home"?
[12:08] <shallwe> Proteus, só uma pergunta, nada a ver com tecnico etc, porque estas usando ubuntu?
[12:09] <Geese_Howard> 8(
[12:09] <faelz> Proteus: http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/artigo/Linux-Sistema-de-arquivos
[12:09] <Proteus> porque uso ubuntu: porque odeio o imperialismo e safadeza da microsoft.... porque quero acreditar na filosofia de liberdade da Linux... pela praticidade e facilidades que o ubuntu traz.... isso responde a tua pergunta?
[12:10] <shallwe> Proteus, na realidade não kkkk, eu uso windows na outra partição porque preciso rodar meus programas
[12:10] <shallwe> a microsoft faz o sistema, vende e nós compramos simples assim
[12:10] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: as vezes eu vejo luz em você
[12:10] <Geese_Howard> heuheiuheiuheiuhiehue
[12:10] <Proteus> nao é tao simples
[12:10] <faelz> Proteus: http://corporate.canaltech.com.br/tutorial/linux/entendendo-a-estrutura-de-diretorios-do-linux/
[12:10] <Nexian> its free ?kkkk
[12:11] <shallwe> mas tranquilo, Proteus se você salvar sua home como o Geese_Howard falou daria certo
[12:11] <Proteus> existe muita safadeza no windows
[12:11] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: no linux também
[12:11] <shallwe> Proteus, safadeza existe em qualquer lugar :)
[12:11] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: yeap!
[12:11] <Nexian> kkkk shallwe falou tudo
[12:12] <faelz> Mais um religioso da tecnologia
[12:12] <shallwe> amém :)
[12:12] <Proteus> desculpem mas continuarei resistindo ao Ruindows
[12:12] <Nexian> é só usar dual cara, o win nao é ruim depende de quem usa
[12:12] <shallwe> Proteus, mas tenta ai salvar a home
[12:12] <shallwe> e instalar o ubuntu 14.04 deve dar e resolver seus problemas
[12:13] <shallwe> eu não tenho como resistir pq tem programas que preciso do windows
[12:13] <shallwe> é meu trabalho fazer oq :)
[12:13] <Nexian> exato
[12:13] <Proteus> eu salvo meus arquivos na home do hd e quando eu fizer o donwgrade nao perderei meis arquivos? é isso?
[12:13] <shallwe> uso dual boot, e algumas coisas no virtualbox quando é mais leve
[12:13] <shallwe> Proteus, o que seria seu backup? arquivos, downloads etc?
[12:13] <Nexian> sim, no meu pc uso kali e o win 10
[12:14] <shallwe> Nexian, é windows 10 ta bem bom pra pc mais moderno ele integra tudo
[12:14] <Proteus> meus arquivos? tenho fotos, livros pdf, videos, arquivos de word e musicas
[12:14] <Nexian> sim :D
[12:14] <Geese_Howard> arquivos word
[12:14] <Geese_Howard> kkkkkkk
[12:15] <shallwe> Proteus, e está tudo salvo onde?
[12:15] <Geese_Howard> pra quem não gosta do windows...
[12:15] <Nexian> mais o proteus, vc vai formatar de novo
[12:15] <faelz> shallwe: win 10 == plasma 5.4
[12:15] <Proteus> estao na minha pasta documentos
[12:15] <shallwe> Geese_Howard, claro word é igual bombril :)
[12:15] <shallwe> tem aquivo de texto do word e tem esfregão de aço que se tornou bombril
[12:15] <shallwe> vc nao chega na loja e pede esfregão de aço né? vc pede bombril :)
[12:15] <Geese_Howard> salva em doc
[12:15] <Nexian> pq se vc fazer o donwgrade acho que vc perde tudo nao tenho certeza
[12:15] <Geese_Howard> não em word
[12:15] <shallwe> arquivo de texto vc pede word kkk
[12:16] <faelz> Proteus: copia tudo para um drive USB
[12:16] <Proteus> arquivos word eu quis dizer arquivos semelhantes ao word.. eu uso libreoffice
[12:16] <Nexian> isso concordo com o faelz ai vc nao tem problemas de perda
[12:16] <shallwe> Proteus, sabe o nautilus o navegador de pastas?
[12:17] <Proteus> salvar numa pendrive? minha pendrive de 64GB ainda não chegou da china... kkkkkk
[12:17] <Geese_Howard> Nexian: perder ou não o /home está ligado ao prticionamento
[12:17] <shallwe> Proteus, quando vc abrir o nautilus lá terá Pasta Pessoal
[12:17] <shallwe> está é a sua "home"
[12:17] <shallwe> tudo que está ai
[12:17] <lucas_> BOm dia
[12:17] <Geese_Howard> Nexian: se vc particiona o /home fora do /, você pode formatar o / no downgrade ou no upgrade sem problemas
[12:17] <Geese_Howard> lucas_: dia
[12:17] <Nexian> a sim pq nao vai estar no mesmo lugar do sistema é que nao sabia
[12:18] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: vc não sabe usar o cp? rsync? para fazer backup e cópia?
[12:18] <Proteus> nao
[12:18] <faelz> Proteus: então cria uma partição nova no seu HD e coloca tudo lá
[12:19] <Guest94813> Alguem que possa me ajudar.. estou usando ubuntu e no meu PC tem 2 monitores.. 1 ligado na placa de video onboard e outra em uma nvidia. o mouse em um deles fica piscando e sumindo. Ja vim aqui e falaram que precisa atualizar os drivers mas depois de atualizar o ubuntu não dava mais boot dava um erro de ACPI, tinha desistido mas estou de volta e queria saber alguma solução pra poder resolver esse problema.
[12:19] <Proteus> acho que mes que vem minha pendrive chega da china.... ficou parada um tempão na Suiça e agora já desceu pra Curitiba... kkkkkk
[12:20] <elisboa> Proteus: tenha fé, irmão!
[12:20] <Geese_Howard> Guest94813: pegue um cd/pendrive de instalação
[12:20] <Geese_Howard> Guest94813: boote-o
[12:20] <Nexian> o guest entao cara acho que vc precisa procurar o drie da nvidia tive um problema assim att o drive e funcionou só que faz 2 anos isso nao lembra onde peguei
[12:20] <elisboa> Guest94813: Solução, tem. SEmpre tem.
[12:20] <Geese_Howard> Guest94813: não entre no processo de instalação
[12:20] <faelz> Proteus: cara, vc não quer resolver seu problema, vc quer um milagre
[12:21] <Geese_Howard> faelz: bingo!
[12:21] <Geese_Howard> clap! clap! clap!
[12:21] <Proteus> faelz... existe solução pra tudo... até pra morte existe solução
[12:21] <Nexian> kkkk faelz ou alguem que faça para ele
[12:21] <Geese_Howard> Nexian: headshot!
[12:21] <Nexian> .-.
[12:21] <faelz> Proteus: claro que existe solução pra morte, só esqueci a formula aqui
[12:21] <Guest94813> Geese_Howard: então, tinha passado ontem mesmo o windows pra deixar em dual boot e instalei o ubuntu novamente mas o erro do mouse continua
[12:21] <shallwe> Proteus, claro é simples faz um downgrade de kernel no seu ubuntu 15.10 que resolve
[12:22] <Geese_Howard> Guest94813: já pensou em mudar de distro?
[12:22] <shallwe> mas se vc achar isso mais fácil do que fazer um backup da sua home e instalar ubuntu 14.04
[12:22] <Geese_Howard> Guest94813: para algo mais configurável e sem esses bugs?
[12:22] <Proteus> shalwee... vou fazer isso. Podem começar a soltar fogos
[12:22] <Guest94813> Geese_Howard: ir pra qual?
[12:22] <Geese_Howard> Guest94813: debian? centos? fedora? slackware? arch? gentoo
[12:22] <Geese_Howard> Guest94813: tem tantas
[12:22] <Nexian> kali
[12:22] <Geese_Howard> Nexian: kali não é distro
[12:22] <shallwe> Proteus, outra solução é fazer mais uma partição e lá instalar o ubuntu 14.04
[12:22] <Nexian> fedora entao
[12:23] <Guest94813> Estou vindo de windows, queria um mais agradavel pra quem vem de windows pra poder me adaptar primeiramente.
[12:23] <shallwe> depois entra nessa nova ubuntu 14.04 e copia sua home do antigo 15.10
[12:23] <Geese_Howard> Guest94813: bom, a mais agradável deu pau
[12:23] <Geese_Howard> Guest94813: e ae?
[12:23] <Nexian> ubuntu e o mais só que neh auhauaha
[12:23] <Geese_Howard> Guest94813: você tem duas opções, sair da zona de conforto ou tentar outra distro?
[12:23] <Guest94813> Guest94813: e ai que estou perguntando qual a proxima da lista mais agradavel.. kkkk
[12:23] <Nexian> fedora e uma boa
[12:23] <Nexian> eu uso na faculdade
[12:24] <Guest94813> Logico.. kk me de uma dica então.
[12:24] <Geese_Howard> lazy
[12:25] <Proteus> shalwee, geese howard e faelz..... voces me venceram
[12:26] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: e o que isto significa?
[12:27] <Proteus> significa que voces me convenceram
[12:27] <shallwe> ta doido quem te venceu foi esse kernel maldito 4.2 kkk nem sei pq colocaram um kernel tão atual no ubuntu
[12:27] <Proteus> 14.04
[12:27] <shallwe> queimou esse ubuntu 15.10
[12:27] <shallwe> depois dessa só instalo versões LTS
[12:27] <Proteus> é o que irei fazer sempre
[12:27] <shallwe> com certeza
[12:28] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: mas a idéia é essa
[12:28] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: versão instável é para testar e descobrir os problemas
[12:28] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: agora, se ninguém reporta, aí fica complicado a distro se desenvolver
[12:28] <shallwe> Geese_Howard, sim, mas uma distro que vem cheia de bug parecendo beta não né
[12:29] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: de novo: INSTÁVEL
[12:29] <shallwe> agora uma coisa que fiquei fu da vida foi que eu fiz o upgrade e nenhum aviso em nenhum momento falou que quem tem drive proprietário da ati NÃO pode fazer upgrade pro 15.10
[12:29] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: se vocês não lêem o "release note" a distro não tem culpa
[12:29] <shallwe> pq quebra
[12:29] <Geese_Howard> sujeito a falhas
[12:29] <Geese_Howard> kkkkk
[12:29] <shallwe> kkkk
[12:30] <shallwe> ai tentei tirar o drive proprietário e ficou uma nhaca, ai decidi colocar o 14.04 mesmo e agora sou feliz :)
[12:30] <shallwe> pq ter uma placa de video de 500 pila e usar drive open é de matar né
[12:31] <shallwe> ninguem melhor pra te fornecer um drive que a própria produtora da placa lógico, assim vale pra todo hardware
[12:32] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: se fosse assim não tinha linux champs
[12:34] <shallwe> Geese_Howard, com certeza que não :)
[12:34] <shallwe> realmente a comunidade fez um grande trabalho com o drive opensource
[12:34] <Proteus> Viva o Linux !
[12:34] <Proteus> Vida longa a Linus Torvald !
[12:35] <shallwe> Proteus, o linux viva mas o linux torvald é meio doido kkk
[12:35] <shallwe> acho que fumou linux de mais
[12:35] <shallwe> ele já teve bons momentos
[12:35] <shallwe> por ele ubuntu não existiria
[12:36] <shallwe> muito conservador
[12:36] <Proteus> humm !
[12:36] <Proteus> Alguem aqui trabalha com bitcoins?
[12:37] <Proteus> Litecoins?
[12:40] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: por mim ubuntu não existia também. acabou com o linux
[12:40] <shallwe> sei não essa coisa de bitcoins ta indo muito pro lado virtual e isso não é muito bom
[12:40] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: e o linus que é conservador
[12:40] <Geese_Howard> huehieuheiuheiuheiuheiueiuheiuehieuhieuhieuhieuh
[12:40] <shallwe> Geese_Howard, pq não curte o ubuntu?
[12:42] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: longa história, mas já foi
[12:42] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: não há retorno
[12:43] <shallwe> Geese_Howard, a bom cada um cada um :)
[12:43] <shallwe> eu sempre volto pra ele kkk
[12:44] <Proteus> deixei de ficar rico com bitcoins.... se eu tivesse comprado na decada de 90 eu agora estaria em alguma ilha perdida do Pacifico
[12:44] <elisboa> década de 90?
[12:44] <elisboa> que precoce
[12:45] <Proteus> elisboa.... tive a chance de comprar a preço de banana e não fiz
[12:45] <Geese_Howard> eu também
[12:45] <Geese_Howard> se tivesse comprado dólares ano passado
[12:45] <Geese_Howard> como recomendei fazerem
[12:45] <Geese_Howard> ...
[12:46] <eloi_carneiro> ontem eu deixei de jogar no "jogo do bicho" e nem por isso fico pensando que deixei de ficar rico, calma, logo aparece outra coisa pra ganhar dinheiro rsrs
[12:47] <Proteus> façam as contas: com 1 real eu comprava mais de 1000 bitcoins..... esses dias um bitcoin chegou a 3500 reais
[12:47] <Proteus> nao consigo vislumbrar uma fonte de ganho melhor
[12:48] <Proteus> bitcoin não é jogo
[12:48] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: já era
[12:48] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: perdeu
[12:49] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: dormiu no ponto
[12:49] <shallwe> ganhar dinheiro fácil só pra quem já tem dinheiro kkk o resto é ilusão ou muuuita sorte
[12:49] <Proteus> .... e o idiota aqui resolveu investir na bolsa no final do governo lula.....
[12:51] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: não existe sorte
[12:51] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: existe oportunismo
[12:51] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: existe corrupção
[12:51] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: você pode escolher
[12:51] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: e não digo oportunismo de maneira depreciativa, você pode começar vislumbrando uma brecha no mercado
[12:52] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: mas, tem que ter essa visão empreendedora
[12:52] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: e ter coragem de acreditar no seu vislumbre
[12:52] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: mas sim, dinheiro faz dinheiro
[12:52] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: o ponto de partida é mais difícil sem ele
[12:52] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: investiu onde? petrobras?
[12:53] <Geese_Howard> heuheiuheiuehiuehiuheiuehie
[12:53] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: se te consola, muito professor meu investiu na Petrobras
shallwe: não existe sorte
[12:53] <elisboa> Proteus: não é assim
[12:53] <edenc> Geese_Howard: tem *MUITA* gente que pensa o contrário
[12:53] <elisboa> tem que analisar a liquidez do investimento
[12:53] <Geese_Howard> edenc: "sorte" delas
[12:53] <Proteus> geese.... ações do banco do brasil
[12:53] <elisboa> Ou seja: você tem certeza que conseguiria vender seu investimento a esse preço?
[12:53] <edenc> agora, uma verdade universal que tenho percebido é que ninguém que dá conselhos sobre investimento é rico :P
[12:53] <shallwe> Geese_Howard, digo acertar no bixo ou lotomania kkkk
[12:54] <shallwe> gente gente daqui a pouco chega o chefe esporreando todo mundo quero só ver :)
[12:54] <edenc> Geese_Howard: tem um livro muito bom do Malcom Gladwell que li recentemente chamado "Outliers". Já devo ter falado disso porque é muito bom.
[12:54] <Proteus> kkkkk
[12:54] <Proteus> quem é o chefe?
[12:54] <Geese_Howard> edenc: é dar asa para concorrência
[12:54] <elisboa> edenc: elementar, meu caro Eden
[12:55] <Geese_Howard> elisboa: quem é rico vende conselho
[12:55] <Geese_Howard> huehieeiuheiuhe
[12:55] <eloi_carneiro> rsrs
[12:55] <shallwe> Proteus, não podemos falar o nome dele, se não vai o aviso pra ele ta ligado?
[12:56] <shallwe> mas ele ta aí em cima um dos primeiros da lista no nome
[12:56] <Geese_Howard> kkkkkkkkk
[12:56] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: é, com tanto off-topic
[12:56] <Geese_Howard> shallwe: vai mandar todo mundo calar a boca
[12:56] <edenc> hahahaha!
[12:56] <edenc> voldemort?
[12:56] <elisboa> de quem vocês estão falando?
[12:57] <elisboa> Que chefe é esse?
[12:57] <Proteus> kkkkkkk
[12:57] <voller> Como consigo um cd com ubuntu?
[12:57] <Proteus> impossivel não ser envolvido nesse humor
[12:57] <Proteus> voces sempre conseguem me arrancar uma gargalhada
[12:57] <eloi_carneiro> rsrs
[12:57] <voller> Como consigo um cd com ubuntu
[12:57] <voller> ?
[12:58] <Geese_Howard> voller: www.ubuntu.com e faz o download
[12:58] <Geese_Howard> voller: não existe mais envio de cd
[12:58] <eloi_carneiro> voller, hoje em dia é mais prático fazer a instalação pode pen drive
[12:58] <voller> ah sim claro.Antes existia.
[12:58] <voller> Ss.Por pendrive bootável né?
[12:58] <Proteus> o voller quer souvenir
[12:58] <eloi_carneiro> voller, sim...
[12:58] <Proteus> kkkkk
[12:59] <eloi_carneiro> voller, vc quer instalar ou souvenir?
[12:59] <voller> E qual é a melhor distribuição de linux na sua opinião?
[12:59] <elisboa> voller: acesse o site.
[12:59] <Proteus> ja pensei em um disco linux como souvenir... deixar ele a mostra na estante de casa... kkkkkk
[12:59] <elisboa> http://shipit.ubuntu.org
[12:59] <voller> já acessei
[13:00] <Proteus> melhor distro dolinux é o ubuntu 14.04
[13:00] <shallwe> voller, ubuntu.com
[13:00] <shallwe> o site do brasil ta desatualizado
[13:00] <Proteus> esses colegas me convenceram exaustivamente dessa versão
[13:00] <elisboa> esse lance de melhor é bem relativo; a melhor é a que te atende melhor ;)
[13:00] <eloi_carneiro> voller, eu já usei ubuntu, fedora, debian, slackware entre outras, o que manda é a finalidade
[13:00] <elisboa> isso, tem a finalidade tb
[13:00] <edenc> elisboa: ou que você *acha* que te atende melhor
[13:00] <elisboa> edenc: também
[13:00] <edenc> tipo windows com spyware nativo
[13:01] <eloi_carneiro> voller, desktop para casa prefiro o ubuntu, ultima versão,
[13:01] <eloi_carneiro> voller, desktop empresarial ubuntu LTS
[13:01] <shallwe> parem de dar desculpas, a melhor distro é ubuntu e pronto, afinal estamos no canal ubuntu-br :) vai lá e baixa
[13:01] <voller> Vocês trabalham onde?
[13:01] <shallwe> ubuntu 14.04 ubuntu.com
[13:01] <elisboa> shallwe: hahaa, boa
[13:01] <Proteus> o bonequinho do pinguim... onde encontro?
[13:01] <elisboa> Proteus: tenho um na minha geladeira
[13:01] <elisboa> ;)
[13:01] <Proteus> eu to falando do pinguim da linux
[13:02] <Geese_Howard> elisboa: qualé?
[13:02] <elisboa> Proteus: e você sabe qual é o pinguim que tá na minha geladeira?
[13:02] <Proteus> aqueles de louça?
[13:02] <edenc> shallwe: na verdade, estamos num canal de *suporte* de ubuntu, o que indica que ele não é tão bom assim porque tem muita gente precisando de ajuda, rs
[13:03] <shallwe> só pra curiosidade: http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/artigo/Porque-a-mascote-do-Linux-e-um-pinguim
[13:03] <elisboa> Proteus: o meu é de porcelana mesmo.
[13:03] <Proteus> kkkkkk
[13:03] <shallwe> edenc, ou tem gente querendo saber como instalar pq escolheu ele :)
[13:03] <eloi_carneiro> o pessoal fica conversando off-topic daqui a pouco o chefe vai calar geral
[13:03] <Geese_Howard> elisboa: é, o gentoo-br vive vazio
[13:03] <eloi_carneiro> rsrs
[13:03] <elisboa> sdds gentoo
[13:03] <elisboa> já fui mais ativo nele
[13:04] <Geese_Howard> eloi_carneiro: do not release the kraken!
[13:04] <edenc> hggdh:
[13:04] <edenc> kkkkkk
[13:04] <Geese_Howard> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[13:04] <eloi_carneiro> pronto, que deus tenha pena de nós
[13:04] <Geese_Howard> run to the hills, run for your lives
[13:04] <eloi_carneiro> rsrs
[13:07] <Proteus> cuidado com os assuntos.... lembrem-se que o deus-sol está na sala
[13:07] <Proteus> kkk
[13:08] <edenc> boa
[13:08] <Geese_Howard> abel
[13:08] <edenc> quando tiverem falnado muita besteira vou soltar o kraken
[13:08] <edenc> tipo esse lance de que não existe sorte
[13:08] <edenc> haha
[13:08] <Geese_Howard> edenc: pode deixar fanfarrão, não falarei mais sobre almoço grátis
[13:09] <edenc> não se trata de almoço grátis
[13:09] <edenc> se trata de privilégio, é outro rolê
[13:10] <edenc> Geese_Howard: o cabra nasce homem, branco, no vale do silício, com um pai engenheiro. isso não é sorte?
[13:10] <Geese_Howard> edenc: casualidade
[13:10] <edenc> que é sinônimo de sorte
[13:10] <Geese_Howard> edenc: então o resto é puro azar
[13:10] <edenc> puro não, mas azar, sim
[13:10] <Geese_Howard> então temos dois tipos de casualidades
[13:10] <Geese_Howard> as de sorte
[13:10] <Geese_Howard> e as de azar
[13:11] <edenc> sim
[13:11] <edenc> e de onde você conclui que "não existe sorte" daí?
[13:11] <Geese_Howard> bullshit
[13:11] <Geese_Howard> edenc: então você acredita em horóscopo, destino, astrologia?
[13:12] <edenc> nope
[13:12] <Geese_Howard> edenc: NÃO me fale mais sobre isso
[13:12] <edenc> Não tem nada a ver uma coisa com outra
[13:12] <edenc> Mas existe ciência social
[13:12] <Geese_Howard> edenc: uai, você diz que tem uma força que dá mais para um e menos para outro
[13:12] <edenc> Sim, existe
[13:12] <Geese_Howard> edenc: que essa força se chama sorte
[13:12] <edenc> Chama-se sociedade
[13:12] <Geese_Howard> edenc: então saci pererê joga capoeira no seu terreiro
[13:12] <edenc> E ela configura as probabilidades de uma forma que você precisa de sorte pra ter sucesso
[13:13] <Geese_Howard> os católicos tem um nome para isso
[13:13] <edenc> Há um ramo inteiro da ciência, que diz que historicamente há um grupo bem específico de humanos privilegiados
[13:13] <Geese_Howard> deus
[13:13] <edenc> nope
[13:13] <Geese_Howard> god
[13:13] <Geese_Howard> alá
[13:13] <edenc> Se você pegar um manual introdutório de ciência humana/social vai saber do que eu estou falando
[13:13] <Geese_Howard> passo!
[13:14] <edenc> ignorance is bliss
[13:14] <edenc> (é a mesma ciência que estuda matemática e computadores)
[13:14] <elisboa> Geese_Howard: que papo de saci é esse?
[13:14] <elisboa> hahahaha
[13:14] <edenc> também não entendi
[13:15] <Geese_Howard> elisboa: o cara acredita em sorte, horóscopo, saci pererê
[13:15] <edenc> Geese_Howard: essa é uma ilusão que você mesmo criou, porque eu nunca falei em horóscopo nem em saci
[13:15] <elisboa> que papo maluco esse de vocês
[13:15] <elisboa> mas continuem, que tou gostando
[13:15] * elisboa pega a pipoca
[13:17] <edenc> Geese_Howard: http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/
[13:17] <edenc> Geese_Howard: olhe essa lista e me diz se ela segue uma curva normal
[13:18] <edenc> Se você disser que sim, eu admito que não existe sorte
[13:20] <Geese_Howard> edenc: não entendi o "curva normal" neste contexto
[13:20] <Geese_Howard> edenc: principalmente por que não sei a história de vida dessa ruma de saci
[13:20] <Geese_Howard> edenc: digo, sortudo
[13:20] <edenc> Geese_Howard: pega os atributos visíveis da foto e faça agrupamentos entre as pessoas que compartilham características
[13:21] <edenc> Tipo sexo e raça
[13:21] <Geese_Howard> branco
[13:21] <Geese_Howard> branco
[13:21] <Geese_Howard> branco
[13:21] <Geese_Howard> USA
[13:21] <Geese_Howard> USA
[13:21] <Geese_Howard> USA
[13:21] <edenc> nope
[13:21] <edenc> você não está olhando
[13:21] <edenc> porque o carlos slim é mexicano
[13:21] <edenc> olhe de verdade :P
[13:22] <edenc> principalmente pro sexo e pra raça
[13:22] <edenc> e veja se a distribuição é normal
[13:22] <edenc> se ela é correlata com a população global
[13:23] <edenc> por exemplo, a distribuição de gênero é de cerca de 40% homens e 60% mulheres
[13:23] <Geese_Howard> velhos
[13:23] <edenc> se a riqueza fosse distribuída de forma perfeitamente aleatória, a matemática diz que 60% dessa lista seria de mulheres
[13:24] <Geese_Howard> então, homens tem mais visão
[13:24] <Geese_Howard> ou tem mais sorte
[13:24] <edenc> (isso porque não estou considerando os pesos das fortunas)
[13:24] <Geese_Howard> heuheiehiuehieuh
[13:24] <edenc> Tem mesmo?
[13:24] <edenc> Cadê o estudo
[13:24] <Geese_Howard> uai, tu que apresentou a lista
[13:25] <edenc> Eu apresentei a lista, *você* que disse que homens tem mais visão
[13:25] <edenc> onde está o estudo comprovando essa conclusão?
[13:25] <Geese_Howard> edenc: e vocẽ que tem mais sorte
[13:25] <Proteus> mulheres amam dinheiro
[13:25] <edenc> Proteus: bem machista essa afirmação? homens não amam dinheiro?
[13:26] <Geese_Howard> eeeeeeeee, deu
[13:26] <Geese_Howard> kkkkk
[13:26] <Geese_Howard> divirtam-se
[13:26] <Proteus> menos que mulheres
[13:26] <edenc> Porque eles estão cheios de dinheiro?
[13:26] <edenc> Proteus: não é o que diz a lista da forbes
[13:26] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: você acabou de pisar no calo anti-misoginia do edenc
[13:26] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: ganhou de mim
[13:26] <Geese_Howard> Proteus: é bom você ter uma pesquisa para comprovar essa sua afirmação de que mulher ama dinheiro
[13:26] <Geese_Howard> kkkkkkkkkkk
[13:26] <edenc> realmente é
[13:27] <Proteus> nao precisa de pesquisa
[13:27] <edenc> se não precisa, vou consultar o horóscopo
[13:27] <edenc> (ignorance is bliss, novamente)
[13:27] <Geese_Howard> edenc: e ignorante é a mãe
[13:27] <edenc> hggdh:
[13:27] <edenc> vem kraken
[13:27] <edenc> Geese_Howard: mais sexismo?
[13:27] <edenc> kkkkk
[13:29] <Proteus> o edenc é um homenzinho feminista, gente..... só pra esclarecer
[13:29] <shallwe> nossa vcs ainda falando de dinheiro kkk
[13:29] <edenc> Proteus: como você sabe que sou homem?
[13:30] <edenc> Você não tem informação suficiente pra concluir isso
[13:30] <edenc> Muito menos que sou feminista
[13:30] <Proteus> Edem Cardim
[13:30] <edenc> Eden, com 'n'
[13:30] <edenc> Que é um nome sem gênero
[13:30] <Proteus> Aff
[13:32] <Proteus> Tava bom o papinho
[13:32] <edenc> Tava não
[13:32] <Proteus> de onde vc é?
[13:33] <edenc> irrelevante
[13:36] <Proteus> a Tatiane... como vai?
[13:36] <edenc> hein?
[13:39] <eloi_carneiro> vamos mudar de assunto, como eu instalo o ubuntu na minha techpix?
[13:39] <shallwe> eloi_carneiro, e isso lá é assunto? kkk na techpix
[13:40] <Logico> vamos falar de coisa boa então
[13:40] <eloi_carneiro> rsrs
[13:40] <Proteus> logico
[13:40] <Proteus> kkk
[13:40] <Logico> hahaha
[13:41] <Logico> por causa do preço dava pra desconfiar que essa techpix era algum tipo de esquema da pirâmide
[13:42] <Logico> mas é só sem noção mesmo
[14:06] <CHIARELLYRN> HELP
[14:23] <faelz> shallwe: desisti das palestras da semana linux
. Este é o perigo de deixar-se a conversa seguir solta. Considerem-se, os tres, avisados.
[14:54] <Logico> quais são os três?
[15:07] <shallwe> faelz, eu tb nao era bem o que eu esperava, mas tudo bem faz parte
[16:00] <MarconM> a 16.04 ja esta disponivel para Download ?
[16:00] <MarconM> Geowany: '-'
[16:18] <Geowany> fala MarconM
[16:26] <MarconM> e ae Geowany de boa
[16:31] <Geowany> MarconM: sussa
[16:32] <Geowany> tô no ubuntu agora, mais especificamente no xubuntu
[16:33] <shallwe> xubuntu é legal, mas é bem simples, achei falta de alguns recursos
[16:33] <Geowany> eu usava o lxde
[16:33] <shallwe> usava esse xubuntu no note, mas a muito tempo atrás
[16:34] <elisboa> shallwe: do que você sente falta?
[16:35] <shallwe> elisboa, de ter um pc com 4 cores e 8gb de ram mais uma placa de vídeo com 2gb de ram e estar usando xubuntu :)
[16:35] <shallwe> é desperdício de hardware kkk
[16:37] <elisboa> shallwe: é bom poupar para os joguinhos :3
[16:37] <Logico> alguém teve problemas com o kernel 3.19 no 14.04 instalado via apt-get? Está estável?
[16:37] <MarconM> Geowany: massa
[16:37] <MarconM> Geowany: tu viu o que eu fiz com notebook ?
[16:38] <shallwe> elisboa, é bom pra quem programa ou quem precisa todo recurso possível, eu usava ele no note que tinha pouco processamento e ram
[16:38] <shallwe> aí era bom mesmo :)
[16:38] <shallwe> Logico, o update de hoje?
[16:38] <Geowany> shallwe: a configuração da minha máquina de casa e do trampo é praticamente essa que vc falou
[16:38] <Logico> shallwe, sim
[16:38] <elisboa> shallwe: concordo; inclusive, eu gosto de resuloção, muita. Quanto mais melhor. Porque aí posso usar terminais com fontes pequenas, mas nítidas ainda assim.
[16:38] <shallwe> Logico, eu atualizei e está tudo certo comigo
[16:39] <Geowany> mas em outras são dualcores com vga integrada
[16:39] <Geowany> MarconM: não vi
[16:39] <MarconM> Geowany: http://imagebin.ca/v/2M5hIM5GXtd2
[16:39] <MarconM> olha ae
[16:39] <Logico> shallwe, bom saber, quando atualizei para o 3.16 uns meses atrás, deu zica com o driver da nVidia
[16:39] <Geowany> shallwe: estou cogitando voltar para o KDE ou ir para o Unity
[16:39] <Geowany> poxa...no lxde eu tava perdendo tempo pra configurar até tecla de brilho do notebook
[16:40] <Logico> shallwe, tive que reinstalar o 14.04.2 do zero pra poder usar
[16:40] <shallwe> Geowany, eu tenho um phenom x4 4ghz é bem bonzinho
[16:40] <shallwe> Logico, e estás com erro de vídeo agora?
[16:40] <Geowany> no fim das contas pra colocar os recursos no lxde deixam ele tão pesado quanto o xfce
[16:40] <Geowany> sem contar que o lxde está obsoleto e o lxqt ainda é alpha
[16:40] <Logico> shallwe, não, mas só testei um pouco, deixei o 3.16 instalado por via das dúvidas
[16:41] <Logico> shallwe, mas só queria saber da estabilidade mesmo
[16:41] <shallwe> Geowany, é ai depende de cada um, mas não vejo vantagem em usar um X feito de fork de gnome 2 ou kde 3 em uma máquina mais robusta
[16:41] <Geowany> estou achando o xfce 4.12 bem completinho, colocaram até configuração de monitores já que aqui eu trabalho com dual monitor
[16:41] <shallwe> é como ter uma ferrari e usar o trânsito de SP
[16:41] <shallwe> Logico, estou usando o 3.19 a tempos já alias esse 3.19 já faz tempo que saiu
[16:42] <Geowany> antes eu tinha que ficar catando apps como o arandr, nitrogen, etc...
[16:42] <Logico> shallwe, ok, valeu!
[16:42] <shallwe> Logico, e isso que uso ati radeon com drive proprietário então nvidia acredito que não tenha problema nenhum
[16:43] <shallwe> alias vou até testar um jogo aqui pra ver como anda esse drive da ati no ubuntu
[16:43] <shallwe> baixar steam
[16:48] <Geowany> MarconM: agora vi. Bacana!
[16:48] <MarconM> sim
[16:48] <MarconM> comprei o desktop
[16:48] <MarconM> daeeu fiz essa malandragem com ele
[16:55] <shallwe> q xik tem metro last light redux pra steam linux
[16:56] <shallwe> testar no ubuntu esse famoso left 4 dead 2 vamos ver como fica
[16:57] <shallwe> fogo que esses jogos novos são tudo de 8 gigas pra cima kkk
[17:19] <Aloizio> Boa tarde!!
[17:21] <Aloizio> uso linux a algum tempo mas nunca tive problemas como o que estou tendo agora. apt-get update retorna erro 404
[17:21] <shallwe> Aloizio, isso quer dizer que ele não encontra o que procura
[17:22] <shallwe> erro 404 em qual pacote ele diz?
[17:24] <Aloizio> não é pacote, só para fazer update
[17:24] <faelz> Aloizio: qual versão do ubuntu?
[17:25] <Aloizio> ele encotra que tem atualizações mas não consegue baixar
[17:25] <faelz> Alguém aí com experiência em configurar proxy reverso?
[17:25] <elisboa> Aloizio: experimenta trocar o repositório
[17:26] <Aloizio> já pesquisei no google, sobre erro apt-get update, certp farei isso
[17:26] <Aloizio> fiz com no/etc/apt/sources.list
[17:26] <faelz> Aloizio: qual é a versão do ubuntu?
[17:27] <Aloizio> fiz com no/etc/apt/sources.list tenho que trocar? deb http.... etc?
[17:27] <Aloizio> 14
[17:27] <shallwe> Aloizio, as vezes é algum repositório de terceiros que vc instalou
[17:27] <faelz> 14.?
[17:27] <shallwe> Aloizio, isso você pode trocar direto na central de programas do ubuntu
[17:27] <Aloizio> até estou baixando a nova do site, 64 bits, derrepente esta mais atualizado repositórios
[17:28] <Aloizio> 14.10
[17:28] <faelz> https://www.google.com.br/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8&client=ubuntu#q=ubuntu+14.10+support+period
[17:28] <faelz> Acesse esse link
[17:28] <faelz> olha o periodo de suporte
[17:29] <rafael> End of life date July 23, 2015
[17:30] <rafael> É sempre melhor usar versões LTS, versões intermediárias são para teste
[17:31] <Aloizio> acabei de ler isso rafael
[17:31] <shallwe> Aloizio, e baixa direto do site internacional ubuntu.com
[17:32] <Aloizio> acho que nem vou perder meu tempo com esse. vou baixar .lts
[17:32] <elisboa> é uma boa, Aloizio
[17:32] <shallwe> Aloizio, tem quanto de ram?
[17:32] <Aloizio> 4GB
[17:32] <shallwe> é então a 14.04 64bit mesmo
[17:32] <shallwe> é a melhor que tem
[17:33] <shallwe> alias lá no site é 14.04.3
[17:33] <Aloizio> pegar de la, estava baixando aqui do unbutu.org
[17:34] <Aloizio> mas ele é 14.10
[17:34] <shallwe> é o site do brasil ta desatualizado infelizmente
[17:35] <rafael> Aloizio: se for usar distros baseadas em ubuntu, tb dê preferências àquelas baseadas em 14.04
[17:35] <Aloizio> certo vou achar mirror deste
[17:35] <rafael> Aloizio: OK, boa sorte
[17:36] <Aloizio> obrigado pela sugestão.
[17:36] <rafael> Aloizio: de nada
[17:37] <Aloizio> eu tava aprendendo o centOS por causa de uma VPS, mas vou tentar rodar tudo no ubundo pq ja to mais familiarizado, e a galera aqui é top
[17:37] <shallwe> Aloizio, o bom do ubuntu é que se precisar de ajuda em qualquer vc sempre acha
[17:37] <shallwe> é uma das maiores comunidades do linux
[17:40] <rafael> Aloizio: centOS tb é muito bom
[17:40] <Aloizio> eu de verdade so tem agradecer mesmo, ano passado e esse fiz concurso para IFSC aqui de santa catarina que usa ubuntu, então a prova prática é ubuntu
[17:40] <Aloizio> aqui a galera da dicas quentes de site e etc
[17:41] <Aloizio> sim, to me dando bem com ele
[17:41] <rafael> Aloizio: legal saber que tem prova de concurso com linux
[17:44] <Aloizio> sim, prova duas etapas, teorica q é rede e etc, e básico de usuários e algumas aplicações. e aprática q normalmente é ssh, para troca de arquivos win/Linux ou samba sempre alguma aplicação deste tipo
[17:45] <Aloizio> ma tudo bem simples, concurso de nivél técnico.
[17:47] <Aloizio> fui fazer o download la da gringa perguntou se gostaria de fazer donate, nossa comunidade tb tem isso?
[17:48] <Ricardo> Olá
[17:50] <Ricardo> Migrei para o Linux Ubuntu e gostei bastante da experiência de usar o sistema. Porém, acho muito ruim resolver problemas.
[17:51] <Ricardo> e Tenho um problema com o wi-fi, ela fica muito lenta e demora a conexão. O download cai pela metada da potência e o navegador fica carregando como se estivesse em loop
[17:52] <Ricardo> como trabalhamo com internet, minha conexão precisar estar bem estável, mas não está. Acredito que seja Drive, mas não tenho a menor ideia de como atualizar
[17:52] <Aloizio> no meu notebook tem e funciona bem, até jogo online este games de fps browser e vai de boa
[17:52] <Ricardo> Como poderia resolver esse problema?
[17:53] <shallwe> Ricardo, depende é pc ou notebook?
[17:58] <Ricardo> Notebook LGR580
[18:00] <shallwe> Ricardo, ubuntu 14.04?
[18:00] <Ricardo> 15.10
[18:01] <edenc> Ricardo: a não ser que você esteja interessado em contribuir com bugfixes, recomendo que fique na 14.04
[18:01] <Ricardo> Acredito que esse é o único problema Shallwe. se conseguir resolver isso, consigo migrar para Linux numa boa
[18:02] <shallwe> Ricardo, no terminal faz ai "lspci" pra gente ver qual é a placa wifi
[18:02] <Ricardo> ok, vou fazer
[18:02] <shallwe> ai vê se acha a linha que tem o wifi
[18:03] <Ricardo> quer que eu cole tudo aqui?
[18:03] <shallwe> tudo não
[18:03] <shallwe> só cola a linha do wifi
[18:03] <shallwe> deve ter algo como RTL8192E algo assim
[18:03] <edenc> Ricardo: põe no pastebin
[18:03] <Ricardo> a linha do wifi seria Ethernet controller?
[18:03] <shallwe> só pra saber a placa de rede
[18:03] <edenc> Ricardo: saída completa no pastebin.com
[18:04] <Ricardo> 01:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT2790 Wireless 802.11n 1T/2R PCIe 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 03)
[18:06] <shallwe> Ricardo, isso mesmo
[18:09] <shallwe> pensei que seria uma estranha, mas até que não
[18:14] <Ricardo> será que tem jeito?
[18:15] <shallwe> Ricardo, ter sempre tem, você usa algo mais nesse wifi?
[18:16] <Ricardo> eu uso dois Notebook. O interessante que se faço login com o windows, roda bem
[18:16] <Ricardo> faço teste e chega a 20M no windows, e quando logo no Ubuntu cai pra 3
[18:16] <Ricardo> 3M
[18:16] <shallwe> estranho
[18:17] <Ricardo> pois é!
[18:17] <Ricardo> também acho
[18:17] <shallwe> eu tive esse problema uma vez, mas mudei a criptografia do meu modem
[18:17] <shallwe> estava como WEP ai mudou pra outro
[18:19] <Ricardo> a conexão está em WPA e WPA2 Personal
[18:24] <rafaelsoaresbr> Ricardo, no roteador tem as opções TKIP e AES, tente selecionar apenas AES
[18:52] <mirqui> boa tarde :)
[21:12] <lemon_> eae pessoal boa noite , um pc que roda o xp roda o ubuntu tranquilamente? as confs do pc nao sao tao boas mas esta com xp
[22:22] <roberto-adm> Boa noite Champs!
[22:23] <barna> boas
[22:23] <roberto-adm> Alguem ai já sofre com um ransonware?
[22:23] <barna> q é isso:
[22:23] <roberto-adm> *ransomware
[22:23] <barna> ?
[22:24] <roberto-adm> aquela paradinha de sequestro de arquivos
[22:24] <roberto-adm> q entram no micro e cryptografam tudo e pedem resgate
[22:27] <shallwe> que legal, pelo menos dota 2 ta rodando legal no ubuntu com minha ati
[22:28] <roberto-adm> ando meio preocupado com isso... estou vendo como posso fazer bqckup ŕa evitar isso
[22:33] <shallwe> roberto-adm, entram no micro pelo ubuntu?
[22:33] <shallwe> isso de entrar no pc pela internet é coisa de windows kkk
[22:34] <shallwe> a não ser que você tenha dados muito importantes e trabalhe em uma empresa muito importante ai os hackers vão tentar e gastar o tempo deles com você, agora se você é usuário final ou mesmo tem uma empresa e usa ubuntu, esquece
[22:35] <roberto-adm> nada shallwe
[22:36] <roberto-adm> ontem meteram um ransomware num micro de um ze ruela
[22:36] <roberto-adm> todos os arquivos crytografados
[22:36] <roberto-adm> o negocio virou meio automatico pega qq um q clicar um atachado infectado...
[22:37] <shallwe> roberto-adm, de onde?
[22:37] <roberto-adm> entr ano micro cryptografa e manda a senha pro cara q fez o estrago... e um email pro zeruala pedindo resgate
[22:37] <shallwe> poderia me dizer como fizeram isso?
[22:37] <roberto-adm> Jatai - GO
[22:37] <shallwe> e o cara usava ubuntu?
[22:38] <roberto-adm> por equnato quem usa linux nao sofre com isso..
[22:38] <roberto-adm> só windows
[22:38] <shallwe> roberto-adm, claro que não ta doido kkk isso nem existe no linux
[22:38] <shallwe> esquece essas coisas isso é coisa de windows, linux não tem isso cara
[22:38] <roberto-adm> mas tem estoria de que o tal ransomware afetou por exemplo os firefox do linux...
[22:38] <roberto-adm> como nao sei ao certo
[22:39] <shallwe> roberto-adm, vc já viu anti virus pra linux? nao tem pq nao precisa
[22:39] <roberto-adm> shallwe, mas o negoci oé que nao consigo fazer "tudo" no linux
[22:39] <shallwe> o windows já por padrão te fornece um e por mais padrão ainda vc instala outro por cima
[22:39] <roberto-adm> shallwe, de tanto q o banco do brasil travou meus acessos por internet.. só uso internet banking pelo linux
[22:40] <shallwe> roberto-adm, a bom vc quer um programa bom anti virus pra windows isso?
[22:40] <roberto-adm> shallwe, tenh o antivirus e tal... sou cuidadoso... mas sabe aquela "cagada" de clicar um anexo errado...
[22:40] <shallwe> logo achei estranho vc falando do ubuntu, claro ubuntu não precisa dessas coisas, um sistema funciona muito mais robusto sem um antivirus padrão rodando por trás
[22:41] <roberto-adm> shallwe, por isso sou da ideia de previnir e tb saber remediar
[22:41] <hertz> shallwe: e o Linux.Encoder.1, não conta?
[22:41] <shallwe> roberto-adm, acho que sobre windows aqui ninguem vai te falar nada, mas sobre ubuntu sim, ubuntu não tem isso de pegar virus
[22:42] <shallwe> hertz, não sei pra q, não tem necessidade a não ser que como disse você seja uma empresa
[22:42] <roberto-adm> na verdade to mais perguntando porque tem algumas soluções interessantes de backup... e q ajudam no caso desse tal ransomware
[22:42] <shallwe> roberto-adm, bom se for no ubuntu mesmo assim vc mesmo pode usar a sua home criptografada
[22:42] <shallwe> se te ajudar a ficar mais tranquilo
[22:42] <hertz> shallwe: Eu não estava dizendo que usuário final é alvo, só que ransomware não é algo exclusivo de Windows.
[22:42] <shallwe> escolhe isso na hora da instalação
[22:43] <shallwe> hertz, sim, mas eu aposto que a pessoa que faz isso vai preferir invadir alguem com windows do que tentar um linux não?
[22:43] <roberto-adm> hertz, pois isso q li a pouco... mas nao na questa de arquivos.. e sim de um caso em q o ransomware afetou os favritos de um firefox instalado no ubuntu
[22:43] <roberto-adm> hertz, agora nao me pergunte como aconteceu
[22:44] <roberto-adm> hertz, é q na verdade basta alguem ter acesso a sua maquina e cryptografar tudo sem seu consentimento
[22:44] <shallwe> olha até onde sei nunca ouvi falar nisso no ubuntu pelo menos, a não ser claro que alguem tenha teu login e senha e mesmo assim ainda precisa da senha de root, então...
[22:44] <shallwe> e ainda mais ainda ter acesso ao teu pc
[22:44] <hertz> shallwe: acho difícil dizer com 100% de certeza as preferências de um hacker.
[22:45] <roberto-adm> shallwe, é concordo com vc... mas tudo pode aonctecer
[22:45] <shallwe> hertz, com certeza não é o meu ou o teu pc kkk é de alguem que ele possa ganhar algo
[22:45] <hertz> particularmente eu jamais invadiria um Windows, não tenho uso pra esse tipo de sistema :P
[22:45] <roberto-adm> sei q tem acontecido com celulares tb.. sistema andrior e ios
[22:45] <shallwe> android pra mim nem precisava existir kkk é o pior sistema de celular do mundo, mas infelizmente eu tenho 1 kkkk
[22:45] <roberto-adm> hertz, kkkkkkkkkkkk
[22:45] <shallwe> fazer oq é mais barato que iphone
[22:46] <hertz> shallwe: nesse ponto eu concordo, o Linux.Encoder.1 é usado em servers rodando http, ele sequestra os site/db
[22:46] <shallwe> hertz, sim, linux já é seguro por natureza
[22:46] <roberto-adm> hertz, pois é imagine se um cara sequetra um site... punk
[22:46] <shallwe> e com toda a comunidade e testes que fazem pra achar brechas e essas coisas, e mesmo assim quando aparece algo eles corrigem
[22:47] <shallwe> não é como achar uma falha no windows e depender da microsoft pra fazer um update etc
[22:47] <hertz> e eu concordo com o shallwe nesse ponto, se vc não é high-profile não precisa se preocupar... a não ser que vc irrite algum skid
[22:47] <roberto-adm> shallwe, e se o cara q achar a brecha nao repassa e faz mal uso?
[22:47] <shallwe> roberto-adm, se o cara achar uma brecha no linux ele é o rei :)
[22:47] <hertz> roberto-adm: nos chamamos isso de mais um dia de trabalho na NSA
[22:47] <roberto-adm> shallwe, aaa sempre tem ne kkkk
[22:48] <shallwe> roberto-adm, se vc usa ubuntu nem esquenta com essas coisas nem virus nem nada
[22:48] <hertz> Da forma como eu vejo o problema não é o Linux em si, é o resto da stack do usuário
[22:48] <shallwe> agora claro isso de senha em banco etc isso é coisa entre sua e o servidor do banco, aí pode acontecer muitas coisas
[22:48] <roberto-adm> mas olha q interessante... eu usava internetbanking tanto pelo windows ou pelo ubuntu.. depois de tanto ter a conta travada só uso pelo ubuntu...
[22:48] <shallwe> independente do sistema operacional
[22:48] <roberto-adm> mas ai a porcaria roda usando o java... adianta ser ausar o linux?
[22:49] <shallwe> roberto-adm, com toda certeza
[22:49] <shallwe> pq o virus em só está no sistema, ou seja, você está com ele no windows, ai quando utiliza o banco ele é habilitado
[22:49] <shallwe> já no ubuntu não
[22:49] <hertz> roberto-adm: falando sério eu acho que os dois tem os seus problemas
[22:50] <hertz> No windows vc tem executáveis que vem anexados por email e podem conter código malicioso e prejúdicar sua máquina.
[22:50] <roberto-adm> hertz, tambem acho... desconfio de qualquer coisa ligada a um cabo azul ou aum rede wireless kkk
[22:50] <shallwe> roberto-adm, eu te recomendo criptografar sua home e era isso se vc tem tanto medo
[22:50] <shallwe> fora isso mais nada
[22:51] <shallwe> mas tenha em mente que criptografar perde um pouco, mas pouca coisa de performance claro
[22:51] <hertz> O ubuntu tem por exemplo um monte de repositório não oficial que nego adora adicionar e instalar as coisas no automático
[22:51] <shallwe> hertz, a sim boa, tem isso tb nao fica colocando qualquer repositório
[22:52] <hertz> No final das contas a melhor segurança é o bom senso do usuário
[22:53] <hertz> roberto-adm: pq vc esta preocupado com isso?
[22:53] <roberto-adm> pois é... pra vc ver.. por exemplo o java... vai instalar do site.. pra usario basico.... um puta trampo.. ai vc procura um milagroso .deb ai ja era
[22:54] <roberto-adm> hertz, paranoia... um colega teve seu micro sequestrado ontem...
[22:54] <roberto-adm> hertz, ele era usuario basico.. deve te rperdido fotos.. sei la porcaria
[22:55] <roberto-adm> hertz, ai q tá nao foi um cara q ficaram de olho e disseram.. vamos pegar essa cara... foi um click errado e um programinha fez a festa autoaticamente pra alguem
[22:56] <hertz> Quanto era o resgate?
[22:56] <hertz> Só por curiosidade mesmo.
[22:57] <roberto-adm> o de sempre 3000
[22:57] <hertz> roberto-adm: Se é só esse o problema e você usa Linux na sua máquina pode ficar mais tranquilo. Só tomar um pouco mais de cuidado.
[22:58] <roberto-adm> to lendo aqui ja tem ataques em servidores linux
[22:58] <hertz> em usd?
[22:59] <hertz> Se for em reais acho que eu até consigo ver algumas pessoas pagando por isso, em usd fica mais difícil pra realidade brasileira.
[22:59] <hertz> roberto-adm: ataques em servers linux existem a muito tempo, não é exatamente novidade.
[23:00] <hertz> Linux é bem seguro, mas é longe de ser perfeito ou o suficiente pra ter paz quando colocar a cabeça no travesseiro. Pelo menos pra mim.
[23:00] <roberto-adm> O ponto de entrada que foi identificado para este ataque é uma vulnerabilidade existente no CMS Magento, que permite que os atacantes coloquem o seu software a correr.
[23:00] <roberto-adm> O Linux.Encoder.1, nome dado pela Dr Web a este ransomware, procura servidores onde sabe estar a correr o software Apache ou o Nginx. Tem também uma apetência especial por servidores onde o MySQL está presente.
[23:00] <roberto-adm> Uma vez dentro do servidor o Linux.Encoder.1 inicia o seu processo de cifra, procurando as pastas do Apache, Nginx ou SQL, as homes dos utilizadores, mas não tocando nas pastas ou ficheiros de sistema ou de acesso a ele (.ssh)
[23:01] <roberto-adm> Todos os ficheiros cifrados passam a ter a extensão .encrypted e em cada pasta por onde passa deixa também um ficheiro onde é explicado ao utilizador o processo de recuperação dos ficheiros.
[23:01] <roberto-adm> O que os atacantes exigem ao administrador dessas máquinas é que seja pago um resgate, como é normal, no valor de uma bitcoin, cerca de 390 euros (420 dólares).
[23:01] <roberto-adm> kkkkkkkkk
[23:01] <hertz> ficheiros... estais vendo um site de portugal?
[23:01] <roberto-adm> menos mal se pegarem no linux.. tá mais barato o resgate kkk
[23:01] <roberto-adm> sim
[23:02] <roberto-adm> esquecendo do problema... que programa usam pra backup?
[23:02] <roberto-adm> ou simplesmente copiam o negocio e tals?
[23:04] <hertz> eu uso dois backups, um composto por drive externo e dvds e outro remoto
[23:04] <roberto-adm> utiliza algum programa especifico?
[23:05] <hertz> eu faço rsync pro remoto e só copio o local
[23:05] <roberto-adm> legal
[23:06] <hertz> mesmo descartando a questão de segurança eu realmente acho que as pessoas deveriam fazer backup de tudo que é importante pra elas
[23:06] <hertz> sua máquina pode nunca ser invadida, mas seu HD pode morrer no meio do caminho
[23:07] <hggdh> backup é segurança
[23:08] <hertz> me expressei mal, eu quis dizer "descartando a questão de ransomware"
[23:12] <roberto-adm> entendi
[23:13] <roberto-adm> um pico de tensao e já elvis
[23:34] <shallwe> que bom aprovado dota 2 jogo do steam pra linux :) bom tb se um jogo com a engine do steam não rodasse bem no linux kkk tinha que matar
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[07:46] <nikolam> ko odrzava srpski odraz (mirror) od archive.ubuntu.com i da li je danas ona sinhronizovana sa archive.ubuntu.com
[07:46] <nikolam> archive.ubuntu.com mi ima neke prekide u preuzimanju pa sam se zamislio, jer uvek stavljam Main server
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[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:19] <elacheche> Morning dholbach & LoCos!
[08:19] <dholbach> hi elacheche
[08:20] <elacheche> Wassup?
[08:58] <elacheche> Is there any LICENSES ninja in here.. I have a little GPL related question
[17:02] <nhaines> dpm_: sorry I missed you yesterday!
[17:07] <dpm_> nhaines, no worries, how are you?
[17:10] <nhaines> dpm: doing good! I've had a busy week babysitting.
[17:11] <dpm> nhaines, fun times :)
[17:12] <nhaines> It's not so fun when he wakes up at 5:30, 45 minutes before the alarm, but otherwise yes, mostly. :)
[17:12] <dpm> ok, let me rephrase: "fun times"
[17:13] <nhaines> He's off of school tomorrow (holiday) so you might see him during the Ubucon call. He'll be like Popey's cat Salem except probably louder.
[17:13] <popey> :D
[17:14] <nhaines> popey: he noticed your cat last week during UOS too, haha.
[17:14] <popey> hah :)
[17:14] <dpm> ah, nice, we've had a recent invasion of new community members in calls as davidcalle and balloons started bringing their sons to get them started early on Ubuntu :)
[17:14] <popey> Quick! Sign them up to launchpad!
[17:15] <dpm> :)
[17:15] <balloons> nhaines, fun times!
[17:15] <nhaines> Haha, get their user names claimed early!
[17:15] <balloons> gotta have that super aged account to be cool right?
[17:17] * dpm 's LP account will be 10 in January
[17:17] <dpm> half vintage
[17:18] <nhaines> Ooh, my account is 10 years old since September 24th. I must've signed up very early for some unknown reason.
[17:18] <dpm> :)
[17:19] <dpm> nhaines, for what I wanted to talk about yesterday I ended up sending the e-mail. Essentially, it seems that we won't have trouble filling the Ubucon schedule, on the contrary :)
[17:20] <dpm> Do you guys think you can update the list of sessions from the user track on the trello board?
[17:20] <dpm> If we can get the developer track session proposals trimmed down to the final set, I think we could announce the speakers this week,
[17:20] <nhaines> I thnk so. :) I vaguely remember talking to Richard and us both being +1 on the issue, but I've been waking up at 5:30 for like four days now (thank goodness he slept in on Saturday!) so everything's foggy now. :)
[17:20] * dpm hugs nha
[17:20] <nhaines> But yes, I'll take a look at the trello board and see what I can do.
[17:21] * dpm hugs nhaines, that is
[17:21] <nhaines> I'm more of a "wake up at 9" person. :)
[17:21] <dpm> nhaines, alternatively, if you can just send me the names + title on a pastebin, e-mail or whatever, I'll be happy to add them to the board, whatever is easier
[17:23] <nhaines> I'll ping Richard and see if he's involved on that. I guess I should go ahead and add my talk in there.
[17:26] <dpm> cool, thanks
[17:45] <dpm> thanks nhaines!
[17:47] <nhaines> No problem. :) Just enjoying my peace and quiet until 2:45 when school lets out. >_>
[17:47] <dpm> I've moved the talks from "proposed" to the day 1 schedule, I think we all agree we want to have these :)
[17:48] <nhaines> Right. :) So that's a start!
[17:48] <nhaines> Oh, any idea whether we'll have design team guys there for a Q&A session?
[17:54] <nhaines> dpm: ^^
[17:56] <dpm> nhaines, I'm still working on that, trying to pull favours across teams to get more Canonical attendance :)
[17:56] <dpm> Design is the last team I'm trying to confirm
[17:57] <nhaines> dpm: don't worry... when they experience Ubucon and SCaLE they'll thank you and consider it that they owe *you* a favor instead. :)
[17:58] <dpm> lol
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-desktop
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[05:09] <pitti> Good morning
[06:24] <didrocks> good morning
[06:42] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ? pas plus malade ?
[06:46] <didrocks> hey pitti, plus malade ! et toi ? tu as pu rentrer ? ça semblait difficile…
[06:47] <pitti> didrocks: oui, j'étais en retard un jour; deux vols ont été annulé, mais mon vrai vol était bien
[06:48] <pitti> didrocks: j'ai pris un jour de vacance hier pour me reposer
[06:49] <didrocks> pitti: tu as bien eu raison ! :)
[06:49] <didrocks> pitti: comment est Austin ?
[06:55] <pitti> didrocks: en fait c'était bon ! cette fois on a été au milieu de ville; beaucoup de bars, restaurants etc. près d'hôtel
[06:56] <pitti> didrocks: jeudi on a vu "V for Vendetta" -- c'était le vrai jour, 5 novembre
[06:58] <pitti> et courir à rive de Colorado est bien aussi, j'ai y couru deux fois
[06:58] <pitti> les autres matins il y avait du brouillard, on ne peux rien voir
[06:59] <pitti> ("on ne peux voir rien" ?)
[06:59] <didrocks> cool que vous ayez eu un sprint à un endroit sympa :)
[06:59] <pitti> err, "on ne peux pas voir rien"?
[06:59] <didrocks> "on ne peut rien voir"
[06:59] <pitti> ah, prèsque :)
[06:59] <didrocks> oui, presque :-)
[07:00] <pitti> uh, "près de.." vs "presque", sans l'accent?
[07:00] <didrocks> es -> "èss" en terme de son
[07:00] <didrocks> donc oui, pas d'accent
[07:01] <didrocks> for "près", you don't pronounce the final "s", I guess that's why you need the accent for the "è" sound
[08:12] <larsu> good morning!
[08:13] <didrocks> morning larsu :)
[08:13] <larsu> hi didrocks :) How are you?
[08:13] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:14] <Trevinho> Hi larsu, didrocks!
[08:14] <didrocks> hey hey Trevinho!
[08:14] <didrocks> larsu: good, thanks! how are you?
[08:14] <larsu> morning Trevinho!
[08:14] <larsu> didrocks: good thanks!
[08:15] * larsu goes to get some breakfast
[08:30] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:36] <pitti> bonjour seb128, comment vas-tu ?
[08:36] <pitti> hey larsu!
[08:36] <pitti> morning Trevinho
[08:37] <pitti> it's good to be back :)
[08:41] <seb128> salut pitti, ça va bien, et toi ?
[08:41] <seb128> pitti, tu as réussi à rentrer en Allemagne ?
[08:42] <seb128> I read your g+ post about your rebooked flight cancelled as well
[08:42] <pitti> seb128: oui, j'ai rentré bien dimanche
[08:42] <pitti> seb128: j'ai pris un jour de vacance hier pour me reposer
[08:43] <seb128> tu as bien fait
[08:43] <seb128> comment va ton jetlag ?
[08:43] <pitti> larsu: as-tu été à systemd.conf ?
[08:44] <pitti> seb128: en fait bien ! j'ai me levé à 3h hier, mais ce matin à 6h; donc je suis retour à la normale
[08:44] <seb128> :-)
[08:45] <pitti> pas d'ubuflu, qui aide :)
[08:45] * pitti pats sil2100
[08:46] <larsu> morning pitti!
[08:46] <larsu> back home?
[08:47] <larsu> the conference was great! Lots of nice people and good talks
[08:47] <larsu> I liked yours especialy ;)
[08:47] <larsu> morning seb128!
[08:47] <seb128> hey larsu!
[08:49] <larsu> how are you?
[08:53] <seb128> doing good :-)
[08:53] <seb128> what about you?
[08:54] <larsu> great thanks! Just got myself some breakfast :)
[08:54] * larsu should make tea to go wit hit
[08:54] <larsu> *with it
[08:58] <seb128> hehe
[08:58] * seb128 is drinking coffee
[09:01] <willcooke> morning
[09:02] <larsu> morning willcooke
[09:02] <willcooke> hey larsu - I've asked for the +1 from design for those theme changes
[09:02] <larsu> I saw
[09:02] <larsu> no reply yet?
[09:03] <willcooke> I'm meeting with John in an hour or so
[09:03] <willcooke> I tweak the gtk2 theme as well for the scrollbar trough
[09:03] <willcooke> http://imgur.com/a/RHfU7
[09:03] <Laney> hey hey
[09:03] <willcooke> after at the top, before at the bottom
[09:03] <willcooke> morning Laney
[09:03] <willcooke> strangely it looks quite different on a machine than a screenshot
[09:04] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:04] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:04] <larsu> willcooke: darker trough?
[09:04] <seb128> how is u.k today?
[09:04] <larsu> morning Laney
[09:04] <willcooke> larsu, yeah
[09:04] <willcooke> seb128, warm and windy :)
[09:04] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[09:04] <larsu> willcooke: hehe - does look better I think
[09:05] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:05] <willcooke> larsu, full screen the old is really hard to spot the scrollbar in the trough IMO
[09:05] <willcooke> anyways - I think John will be fine with it
[09:06] * larsu nods
[09:08] <willcooke> ahah!
[09:08] <willcooke> I have the slow shutdown on W again
[09:08] <willcooke> A stop job is running for monitor and control system power state (17s / 1m 30s)
[09:09] <willcooke> it's now stopped ticking up
[09:09] <willcooke> pitti, anything to worry about? ^
[09:09] <willcooke> This hasn't shown up for ages and now I have a USB drive plugged in, it's back
[09:10] <willcooke> Seems I can reproduce it now
[09:30] <seb128> willcooke, you probably want to follow /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz it has a section for debugging shutdown issues
[09:30] <willcooke> thx seb128 I'll take a look
[09:36] <seb128> Laney, seems like libgtk-3-dev should depends on libmircookie-dev now
[09:37] <seb128> gdk-3.0.pc lists it
[09:37] <Laney> check bzr
[09:37] <Laney> ...check xenial-changes :)
[09:37] <seb128> didn't get an email on xenial-changes
[09:38] * seb128 refreshes
[09:38] <seb128> nop
[09:38] * Laney shrugs
[09:38] <seb128> but I guess it means you are on it ;-)
[09:38] <didrocks> speaking of the devil… ;)
[09:38] <seb128> lol
[09:39] <seb128> nettle-dev?
[09:39] * didrocks gives http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-make/xenial/ppc64el/ to pitti :-)
[09:39] <seb128> I wonder if it's normal that building on x11 pulls in mir requirements?
[09:39] <Laney> yes
[09:40] <seb128> why? (just curious)
[09:40] <seb128> well the depends is right, I just wonder why it has to be this way
[09:40] <pitti> didrocks: wohoo!
[09:41] <didrocks> was annoyed by a "always failed" on one arch :p
[09:41] * pitti donne une accolade à didrocks
[09:41] * didrocks donne une accolade en retour
[09:41] <didrocks> (and no, I didn't disable the test ;))
[09:41] <pitti> willcooke: hm, what's that? powerd?
[09:41] <seb128> Laney, I retried the pygobject builds btw, they seem alright now
[09:41] <seb128> maybe that unblocks libpeas and gedit :-)
[09:42] <pitti> willcooke: is that still starting on desktop? last time I looked at it it was doomed to fail without android
[09:42] <pitti> willcooke: so that's saying it tried to stop (SIGTERM) powerd and it doesn't go down on that; it gets SIGKILLed after the timeout
[09:43] <pitti> willcooke: so: if powerd has been fixed to work without android, then it needs to be fixed to terminate on SIGTERM, or get an ExecStop= to say what otherwise one must do to stop it
[09:43] <pitti> willcooke: if it has not been fixed to work without android, it shouldn't start in the first place, and its unit should grow some conditional
[09:45] <Laney> ask attente?
[09:45] <Laney> thanks
[09:45] <willcooke> pitti, only upowerd is running on my W machine
[09:45] <pitti> willcooke: ok, so I guess someone fixed it for non-android
[09:46] <willcooke> ah, upowerd == powerd
[09:46] <willcooke> humm
[09:46] <pitti> willcooke: right, upower is harmless and expected to run; talking about powerd
[09:46] <pitti> that's the ubuntu phone specific thing
[09:46] <willcooke> having said I could recreate it, guess what....
[09:46] <willcooke> now it's working fine again
[09:46] <Laney> hey pitti
[09:46] <willcooke> I thought I had a way to make it fail, guess not
[09:47] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:48] <willcooke> it's back
[09:48] <willcooke> wtf
[09:48] <Laney> pitti: good, went out for cuban tapas last night which was yummy :)
[09:48] <pitti> willcooke: can you try this without rebooting: just "sudo systemctl stop powerd" and see if it hangs
[09:48] <Laney> you? good journey back?
[09:48] <pitti> willcooke: if not, start it again, stop, wash, rinse & repeat?
[09:49] <pitti> Laney: a day late, but the flight that actually did fly was fine
[09:49] <Laney> wait, I saw a post about... that
[09:49] <pitti> and I adjusted to the jetlag rather well
[09:49] <pitti> the swap day yesterday was really helpful
[09:49] <pitti> and I worked for < 10 mins :)
[09:49] <Laney> \o/
[09:51] <seb128> hum, bug #1514427 ... does anyone can try that on xenial/amd64? works fine on i386
[09:51] * pitti apt installs
[09:52] <pitti> WTH, this installs libgnomevfs2 -- is that *still* a thing
[09:52] <pitti> seb128: it was reported on amd64
[09:53] <pitti> hm, but it starts fine here
[09:53] <seb128> pitti, yeah, which is why I'm asking if anyone using amd64 can reproduce
[09:53] <seb128> since my install is i386
[09:53] <pitti> oh, it works for you
[09:53] <seb128> yes
[09:53] <seb128> k, so local issue I guess
[09:53] <seb128> maybe an old lib in /usr/local or something
[09:53] <seb128> pitti, tahnks for testing
[09:54] <pitti> libmagick++-6.q16-5v5 8:6.8.9.9-6
[09:54] <pitti> libmagickcore-6.q16-2 8:6.8.9.9-6
[09:54] <pitti> that at least seems current
[09:54] <pitti> yeah, local imagemagic install could do that
[10:23] <Trevinho> seb128: it seems there are some troubles with gtk dependency in xenial...
[10:23] <Trevinho> configure: error: Package requirements (libwnck-3.0 >= 3.4.7) were not met:
[10:23] <Trevinho> Package 'mircookie', required by 'gdk-3.0', not found
[10:23] <Trevinho> This is for bamf, for example... But also Unity fails
[10:23] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, yeah, Laney just uploaded a fixed gtk, see backlog
[10:24] <seb128> Trevinho, just do a retry once the new gtk is published, should be soon enough
[10:24] <Trevinho> seb128: ah, ok... rebuilding now is fine (in ppa)?
[10:24] <Trevinho> ok
[10:25] <seb128> Trevinho,
[10:25] <seb128> $ rmadison -s xenial-proposed libgtk-3-0
[10:25] <seb128> libgtk-3-0 | 3.18.2-1ubuntu1 | xenial-proposed | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[10:25] <seb128> so not yet
[10:25] <willcooke> pitti, sorry for the delay. So I did a systemctl stop powerd and it took ~ 15 seconds to stop. Retrying....
[10:25] <seb128> need another publisher
[10:25] <Trevinho> seb128: ok, thanks
[10:25] * Trevinho waits...
[10:25] <Laney> it's not finished on armhf yet
[10:26] <pitti> willcooke: ah, so you can reproduce that without having to reboot, good
[10:26] <Trevinho> you damn armhf... You're always late.
[10:26] <Trevinho> (it looks something more related to an Italian technology than a British one :P)
[10:28] <pitti> oh, no Sweetshark?
[10:29] <willcooke> pitti, systemctl start powerd -> Failed to start powerd.service: Unit lxc-android-config.service failed to load: No such file or directory
[10:29] <pitti> LibO started to fail with "configure: error: gtk3 libraries of the correct versions, not found"
[10:29] <seb128> pitti, cf what we just said
[10:29] <seb128> pitti, gtk+ fix is building, another 1 or 2 publisher cycles and it should be good to retry
[10:29] <pitti> seb128: ah, thanks
[10:37] <willcooke> larsu, +1 from desig
[10:42] <willcooke> n
[10:44] <larsu> \o/
[12:01] <seb128> Trevinho, you can retry your gtk builds now
[12:01] <seb128> pitti, ^
[12:01] <pitti> seb128: thanks; the new gtk+3.0 already re-triggered the tests
[12:01] <seb128> good
[12:07] <Trevinho> seb128: thanks
[12:53] <seb128> Trevinho, I think you said that https://code.launchpad.net/~sethj/ubuntu/wily/unity/fix-for-1445595/+merge/276074 was wrong, can you comment on it?
[12:54] <Trevinho> seb128: yep
[12:54] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[12:56] <Laney> LP/archive is being super slow for me
[12:56] <Laney> same for anyone else?
[12:58] <willcooke> Laney, testing
[12:58] <willcooke> Laney, seems the security repo is slow, others OK
[13:00] <seb128> Laney, lp works fine for me
[13:00] <Laney> ok
[13:07] <didrocks> same here, fine
[13:07] * Laney needs to get round to running ethernet
[13:09] * Laney orders a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel
[14:08] <qengho> good morning.
[14:10] <seb128> hey qengho
[14:11] <andyrock> morning
[14:11] <Trevinho> hey andyrock
[14:11] <Trevinho> andyrock: you know there's a big review queue for you? :-D
[14:12] <andyrock> yeah
[14:12] <Trevinho> 💌
[14:12] <andyrock> that does not make me happy
[14:12] <Trevinho> It's a nice mail, come one!
[14:12] <Trevinho> on*
[14:12] <willcooke> hey andyrock - how are you fixed for a meeting tomorrow around 10am UTC?
[14:12] <Trevinho> Ah, and the Kylin guys proposed their lockscreen shield... Works well, there are some code changes needed, but from a first look it seems nice.
[14:12] <willcooke> andyrock, this will be our inaugural agile sprint kick off
[14:13] <andyrock> willcooke: if it's on IRC it's fine for me
[14:14] <willcooke> andyrock, it will need to be a HO I think, sorry. Do you have any mornings which work?
[14:14] <willcooke> I guess we can try IRC, but I think HO will be better/faster
[14:14] <andyrock> willcooke: can I do that on the phone? just for the days I'm not home at that time
[14:15] <willcooke> andyrock, there will be one of these about every 3 weeks, plus a review at a similar schedule
[14:15] <Trevinho> But, doing it on afternoon is not feasible?
[14:16] <andyrock> ok I'll make it for tomorrow
[14:16] <willcooke> Sure, we can do that. My afternoons tend to be busier, but we can find a slot I'm sure
[14:16] <willcooke> andyrock, when is a good time for you? I think 1 hr will be plenty
[14:16] <willcooke> happy to fit around your schedule
[14:16] <Trevinho> Ok, then we can decide everytime when's better..
[14:16] <willcooke> +1
[14:17] <andyrock> my schedule is a mess, it's no fixed
[14:18] <andyrock> I'll try to adapt my schedule to the meetings
[14:18] <andyrock> the opposite is impossible
[14:18] <willcooke> hah
[14:18] <andyrock> i'll do it for tomorrow :D
[14:18] <Trevinho> Since we're just 4 people, I think we can be easily flexible
[14:18] <willcooke> plus seb128 at least for the first one
[14:18] <Trevinho> ah, ok sure
[14:18] <Trevinho> seb128 is always there :)
[14:19] <willcooke> ok, how about we sync tomorrow on IRC and try and find a slot
[14:19] <willcooke> hikiko will be back tomorrow as well
[14:19] <Trevinho> Fine
[14:19] <seb128> tomorrow is a french holiday but I should be online at least in the morning between 10 and 12
[14:20] <willcooke> oh yeah, forgot
[14:20] <willcooke> maybe Thursday then
[14:21] <seb128> let's see tomorrow morning?
[14:21] <willcooke> sure, oki plan is then try and sync tomorrow morning and if we can't do it then try again on Thursday
[14:21] <Trevinho> seb128: don't do that... We can move this on Thursday
[14:21] <tseliot> willcooke: hi, do you know what version of gstreamer we are planning to use in 16.04?
[14:22] <seb128> tseliot, whatever is stable by feature freeze, looks like 1.6 from where we stand at the moment
[14:22] <tseliot> seb128: ok, thanks
[14:23] <seb128> tseliot, why?
[14:23] <Laney> 1.8
[14:23] <tseliot> seb128: somebody asked ;)
[14:23] <seb128> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/gstreamer-announce/2015-October/000359.html
[14:23] <seb128> in fact 1.8 likely I guess
[14:24] <seb128> tseliot, do you know why they ask? they want/need a new version?
[14:24] <tseliot> ah, ok
[14:24] <tseliot> seb128: I'm not really sure. I will ask them
[14:24] <seb128> thanks
[14:25] * Laney was here you know
[14:26] <seb128> Laney, here?
[14:26] <tseliot> Laney: sorry, I didn't see you
[14:26] * seb128 waves to Laney
[14:26] <tseliot> Laney: thanks
[14:26] <seb128> Laney, sorry when I replied I was unsure if you were around or at lunch or if you knew/tracked upstream gstreamer work
[14:26] * seb128 knows for next time that Laney masters gstreamer's schedule ;-)
[14:31] <Laney> no worries :P
[14:31] <Laney> I usually assume these days that we'll track it like glib
[14:31] <seb128> k, I though you mostly did merge from Debian
[14:31] <seb128> I didn't know you were tracking upstream as well
[14:31] <Laney> slomo is fast there
[14:31] <seb128> yeah
[14:31] <Laney> happy to let him do that
[14:31] <seb128> I for one had no idea when 1.8 was coming
[14:31] <seb128> now I know
[14:31] <Laney> ya, trying to get on the 6 month train
[14:31] <seb128> they failed in the past
[14:31] <seb128> so I don't trust much their schedule
[14:32] <seb128> but let's see ;-)
[15:02] <willcooke> didrocks, heard back from Fritzing too. They are +1
[15:03] <willcooke> larsu, thanks for the approval! Do I need to do anything now or is it automatic? Will it be part of 16.04?
[15:05] <larsu> willcooke: used to be automatic; these days we need to ping seb128 or Laney
[15:05] <larsu> there's a spreadhseet involoved. And a silo. And something about a train
[15:06] <seb128> larsu, no spreadsheet anymore
[15:06] <seb128> :-)
[15:06] <seb128> things improve!
[15:07] <seb128> willcooke, need a landing through https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/
[15:07] <larsu> oh indeed?
[15:07] <larsu> ah, right
[15:07] * larsu shuts up
[15:07] <larsu> the part about pinging someone was corrct
[15:07] <seb128> I'm unsure you wouldn't be able to do a landing yourself
[15:07] <seb128> if you are not we could for sure arrange to have it fixed
[15:07] <seb128> same for willcooke :p
[15:10] <didrocks> willcooke: great! do you mind opening bugs with links and references?
[15:17] * seb128 hands a "rebuild master" badge to Laney ;-)
[15:17] <Laney> didn't test build that lot
[15:17] <Laney> and there were some sed build depends replacements
[15:17] <Laney> sooooo, no badge just yet :)
[15:18] <seb128> hehe
[15:18] <seb128> more transition coming
[15:18] <seb128> I noticed the new "glew" upload earlier
[15:18] <seb128> there are some 60 rdepends
[15:18] <Laney> ffs
[15:18] <Laney> better not get entangled
[15:18] <seb128> we might want a transition tracker for that one
[15:20] <Laney> just got a proper dialog from e-d-s
[15:20] <Laney> for team meeting reminder
[15:20] <Laney> :(
[15:24] <willcooke> seb128, I'm not authorized to add a new request. What should I do?
[15:24] <seb128> Laney, why ":("?
[15:24] <willcooke> didrocks, Sure. Still need to finalise the legal side, but I will create a couple of bugs anyway
[15:26] <seb128> willcooke, unsure what group has the rights to do landing. If you are interested to figure that out/get it work ask on #ubuntu-ci-eng, otherwhise jut delegate the landing to somebody in the team I would say
[15:28] <willcooke> probably not something I need to do very often. seb128 would you mind doing the honours?
[15:29] <willcooke> it's not urgent of course
[15:29] <seb128> willcooke, adding to my list
[15:29] <willcooke> thx!
[15:29] <seb128> but probably not for before thursday
[15:29] <willcooke> nw
[15:29] <seb128> yw!
[15:29] * willcooke feels a disturbance in the force
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-11-10
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 10 15:30:05 2015 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <didrocks> hey
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt (hols), dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong (maybe out), happyaron (maybe out), hikiko (hols), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <andyrock> hey
[15:30] <dgadomski> hey
[15:30] <Sweet5hark> hey
[15:31] <Trevinho> HEy!
[15:31] <FJKong> =。=！
[15:31] <happyaron> hey
[15:31] <qengho> hejhej
[15:31] <larsu> \o
[15:32] <willcooke> Let's go.....
[15:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:32] <andyrock> Nothing that much last week
[15:32] <andyrock> Treviño is too fast to write code
[15:32] <andyrock> faster than me reading his code
[15:32] <Trevinho> not true...
[15:33] <andyrock> btw this week I'll try to review all the MPs
[15:33] * Laney is getting ALL the build failures now
[15:34] <willcooke> oki, thanks andyrock
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <desrt> o/
[15:34] <attente> hi, not a whole lot to say
[15:34] <attente> finished https://github.com/maliit/framework/pull/19 and https://github.com/maliit/inputcontext-gtk/pull/1, merged upstream
[15:34] <attente> need to figure out why clicking on the maliit keyboard double taps keys in gtk apps
[15:34] <attente> backlog: single-surface mode for gtk-mir
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:34] <willcooke> thx attente
[15:34] <willcooke> desrt, are you really here?
[15:34] <desrt> ya
[15:35] <desrt> i didn't email my report, so i can give it now :)
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:35] <desrt> did a release last week and used the chance to do a lot of long-overdue cleanup tasks in glib
[15:35] <desrt> simplified the docs build
[15:35] <desrt> also simplified our handling of "inline" (which exploded as a result of the recent overflow-checked math ops work)
[15:35] <desrt> also general bugs/patches/etc.
[15:35] <desrt> eof
[15:36] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:36] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:36] <dgadomski> hey
[15:36] <dgadomski> * I've been off for 2 days last week
[15:36] <dgadomski> * fixed bug #1337873, reported upstream bug with attached patch (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92886), will work on debdiffs for SRU
[15:36] <dgadomski> * got more feedback for fix to bug #1337873, pitti will upload the fix to xenial for testing before SRU
[15:36] <dgadomski> * working on a wiki page with information about debugging policykit
[15:36] <dgadomski> EOF
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:37] <dgadomski> thank you
[15:37] <seb128> dgadomski, what's the url of the page?
[15:38] <dgadomski> seb128: I'm working on a draft, going to paste it to wiki, not sure what would be the best place to put it
[15:39] <dgadomski> seb128: I still have it as a google doc
[15:39] <seb128> dgadomski, probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPolicyKit or something
[15:39] <seb128> that would be consistent with others
[15:39] <seb128> e.g https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingApparmor
[15:39] <dgadomski> seb128: thanks, will do that
[15:40] <willcooke> great, thanks chaps
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:40] <didrocks> Ubuntu Make:
[15:40] <didrocks> * Release work from previous week as 15.11. Good feedbacks so far.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Review and merge Netbeans IDE support (and added/cleaning tests for it) by Fabio Colella!
[15:40] <didrocks> * Review and merge Jared Ravetch rust support (and added/cleaning as well tests for it) by Jared Ravetch.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Review and merge Unity3D updates support by Eldar Khayrullin (welcome to our new contributor).
[15:40] <didrocks> * Review and merge Sebastian Schuberth fix for Android NDK.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Fix webstorm icon renamed upstream.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Ship version file as part of the install (Now --version really works on packaged flavor as well) + stamp generated binary with correct version.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Fix BaseInstaller to not crash when all downloads assets are 404 + add medium tests for this.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Ensure -r global option behave like --remove.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Some style, refactoring and formatting tidy up for recent merges and changes.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Add medium assets, certificates and additional failure test cases for netbeans and rust.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Update docker container for medium tests with new certificates.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Readd Travis CI integration running pep8 and small tests (with badge status and updated wording in README). New pushes and pull requests are now automatically tested on those 2 kinds of tests.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Fix and updates dependencies for package and pip virtualenv deps.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Standardize the test environment so that people running tests using for instance zsh are not impacted.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Finish up shipping static files support for future frameworks.
[15:40] <didrocks> * Using scala framework for loading tests and making autopkgtests pass on armel64 (android not available on this arch).
[15:40] <didrocks> * Improve releasing script and migrate gbp config to new headers.
[15:41] <didrocks> Misc:
[15:41] <didrocks> * Watched and followed some UOS sessions (still some to catch up though)
[15:41] <didrocks> * Some Archive Admin duties
[15:41] <didrocks> .
[15:41] <willcooke> nothing else?
[15:41] <larsu> did you sleep?
[15:41] <willcooke> :D:D
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks didrocks, amazing stuff
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:41] <seb128> you guys read fast
[15:41] <didrocks> larsu: not enough ;)
[15:41] <larsu> haha
[15:41] <FJKong> dmesg| less
[15:41] <FJKong> hi
[15:41] <Trevinho> didrocks: has a bot to generate random changleogs :P
[15:42] <FJKong> things about sogou IM :
[15:42] <didrocks> Trevinho: damn, need to change my strategy now! :)
[15:42] <FJKong> processing sogou skin picture with libpng,
[15:42] <FJKong> modify Imageprovider to load image
[15:42] <FJKong> made a demo to display animate picture
[15:42] <FJKong> pinyin search
[15:42] <FJKong> wirite README and guide to help testing
[15:42] <FJKong> test gui configre tool
[15:42] <FJKong> eof
[15:42] <willcooke> animated gifs ftw
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks FJKong
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:43] <happyaron> ok
[15:43] <happyaron> not long this week
[15:43] <happyaron> 1. Continued testing/improving of (my) zfs package
[15:43] <happyaron> 2. Mass updates to Chinese translations (still working on those stuff atm)
[15:43] <happyaron> EOF
[15:43] <happyaron> just be time consuming
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks happyaron
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:44] <Sweet5hark> Trevinho, didrocks: http://whatthecommit.com/ and https://github.com/lwe/whatthecommit
[15:44] <Trevinho> :D
[15:44] <Laney> oops
[15:44] <Laney> • glib2.0 -> unstable, exp, wily, xenial (+ poking tests to get things in)
[15:44] <Laney> • (finish?) set(ting?) up appstream server running on http://162.213.34.169/html/ (temporary home)
[15:44] <Laney> • re-poked at libphonenumber after being asked to by pocock, made another Debian upload, should be syncable now after a fix in telephony-service (submitted)
[15:45] <Laney> • gtk+3.0 -> xenial (currently poking tests, should go in today [just did!])
[15:45] <Laney> ∘ still need to file a couple of bugs
[15:45] <Laney> • poke for gnome-desktop3/cheese(?)/e-d-s/other things transition, went in after doko fixed binutils and webkit2gtk built
[15:45] <Laney> • poke lots and lots of things for poppler/ffmpeg/ocaml/gsl/soundtouch/x264/x265 transition, still ongoing
[15:45] <Laney> • gstreamer 1.6.1 updates
[15:45] <Laney> • some UOS things and discussions about desktop iso testing
[15:45] <Laney> ♜
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:46] <larsu> random bug and review work this past week, still not on top of everything (sorry)
[15:46] <larsu> went to systemd conf and had some good discussions
[15:46] <larsu> got the dbus spec amended while there
[15:47] <larsu> and a bug fix for dbus-monitor
[15:47] <larsu> (which is broken right now)
[15:47] <larsu> also finished up the gsettings-qt stuff
[15:47] <larsu> and worked on geonames localization in between
[15:47] <larsu> I think that's it. </larsu>
[15:47] <willcooke> reviewed my awesome mp
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:48] <larsu> willcooke: awesome work ;)
[15:48] <willcooke> :D
[15:48] <larsu> easy to review
[15:48] <qengho> * Releasing Cr 46.0.2490.71 today. Translations and default-browser bugs worked out.
[15:48] <qengho> * Preparing distro bug fix for xdg-utils.
[15:48] <qengho> * Not much on cr-ozone-mir this week.
[15:48] <qengho> * Exploring apparmor hats for Chromium to punch smallest possible holes for sandbox.
[15:48] <qengho> EOF
[15:48] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:48] <seb128> qengho, speaking about xdg-utils, it needs merging on Debian, if you want maybe to do that ;-)
[15:48] <seb128> oh
[15:48] <seb128> • keep looking at incoming bugs and errors, triaging and picking some
[15:48] <seb128> • updated gedit to 3.18 including CSD, quite some changes, thanks Lars for doing most of the work previous cycle!
[15:48] <seb128> • backported rhythmbox fix for sync dialog have a null height
[15:48] <seb128> • joined some UOS sessions
[15:48] <seb128> • debugged/fixed nautilus trash segfault (was due to glib)
[15:48] <seb128> • started nautilus update (3.18) + debian merge, quite some work, still ongoing
[15:48] <qengho> seb128: Will look.
[15:48] <seb128> • did a patch pilot shift
[15:48] <seb128> • load of desktop updates&merges
[15:48] <seb128> • some work on current xenial britney issues/transitions
[15:49] <seb128> (also another reminder that help on debian merges would be welcome ;-)
[15:49] <willcooke> desktoppers: ^^ please help
[15:49] <seb128> thanks :-)
[15:50] <willcooke> thx seb128
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - finished 5.0.3 update for docviewer and related issues
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - CVE-2015-4551 CVE-2015-5212 CVE-2015-5213 CVE-2015-5214 for precise/trusty/vivid (good riddance finally)
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - some UOS stuff
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - upstream code review
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - added some assertions on threading issues upstream, fixed some 10 API entry points without mutex locking issues that might cause spurious crashes
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - peeked a look at 5.1 alpha1/xenial for prereleases ppa (not more yet)
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> - some tender review/TDF leadership/event coordination
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[15:50] <willcooke> bosh!
[15:50] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[15:50] <willcooke> good news on the CVEs
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[15:50] <willcooke> * Updated Orca to latest stable, 3.18.2 in xenial.
[15:50] <willcooke> * Updated at-spi2-core in Debian pkg-a11y git, waiting for upload to Debian so I can merge into Xenail.
[15:50] <willcooke> * Started making preparations to upgrade to xenial.
[15:50] <willcooke> * Almost got my Orca gsettings backend code working, but Orca is not speaking, and not executing commands. Investigation continues.
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Phone: Did more testing with level-1 and level-2 printing stacks. For level 1 I got everything working. Level 2 seems to have some problems with filters to be run on ARM.
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - cups: Fixed the problem of sub-processes not starting, after investigation of the CUPS source code I have found that the problem is the binary package splitting, as some small helper program was missing in the level-1 printing stack.
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Communication with a printer manufacturer because of IPP-over-USB problems.
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Discussion with Ghostscript upstream about XPS support.
[15:51] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[15:51] <willcooke> good work on the phone
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:52] <seb128> tkamppeter, good work on figuring out the missing helper issue!
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Meeting with kylin guys: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu Kylin/Meeting/2015/20151105
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Fixed a panel menus flickering issue, caused by a nux change (and a nux workaround inside unity)
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Fixed drawing of prelighted state of the indicators
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Added upstart support to BAMF
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Show warning also when numlock is enabled in lockscreen
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Proposed the new overlay scrollbars for the dash so that they're like the gtk ones
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Re-enabled the unit tests on arm64
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Removed python2.7 dependency on unity packages that are in main (kept for unity-autopilot that is in universe)
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Initial review of the Ubuntu Kylin lockscreen shield
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Prepared a new landing of the stack
[15:52] <Trevinho> · Attended desktop UOS session, joined others, watched someone else
[15:52] <Trevinho>
[15:52] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[15:53] <seb128> Trevinho, good work :-)
[15:53] <willcooke> - Xenial updates
[15:53] <willcooke> - XMir packaging
[15:53] <willcooke> - GNOME Software work
[15:53] <willcooke> - Found a lightdm-webkit-greeter maintainer!
[15:53] <seb128> oh, nice for lightdm-webkit-greeter
[15:53] <willcooke> yay!
[15:53] <seb128> thanks for helping with updates Rob ;-)
[15:53] <Trevinho> seb128: :-)
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic Any other business
[15:53] <willcooke> Anyone got any topics?
[15:54] <willcooke> Nothing from my side at this point
[15:54] <seb128> did I mention Debian merges? ;-)
[15:54] <seb128> :p
[15:54] <willcooke> :))
[15:55] <willcooke> going in 10...
[15:55] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[15:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 10 15:55:22 2015 UTC.
[15:55] <meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-11-10-15.30.moin.txt
[15:55] <willcooke> thanks everyone, nice and efficient today
[15:55] <willcooke> good turn out too
[15:56] <seb128> thanks!
[15:56] <attente> thanks
[15:56] <larsu> thanks!
[15:56] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:57] <Sweet5hark> thanks guys
[15:59] <willcooke> oh, could someone take a look at Byran's email to the desktop list Gnome Calendar?
[15:59] <willcooke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2015-November/004755.html
[15:59] <willcooke> as and when
[16:03] <Trevinho> Sweet5hark: another good one from your site: «Removed test case since code didn't pass QA » :-D
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> Trevinho: lets be honest: we have all seen that one (if only with more decorum)
[16:04] * Trevinho has a recent branch with that :-D
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> hrhr
[16:05] <seb128> willcooke, i've that on my todolist, I need to try/play with the tb one
[16:05] <willcooke> thx seb128
[16:31] <pitti> nice, gtk+3.0 propagated without a hitch
[16:31] <willcooke> \o/
[16:33] <Laney> without?
[16:33] <Laney> I retried a few tests for it
[16:35] <seb128> pitti, wait to see the runtime result :p
[16:35] <pitti> Laney: oh, did you? bah
[16:35] * seb128 pinned gtk+3.16 meanwhile
[16:35] <pitti> Laney: cloud trouble again, or flaky tests?
[16:35] <Laney> pitti: at least https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-xenial/xenial/i386/s/software-properties/20151110_151705@/log.gz
[16:35] <pitti> seb128: trust your work!
[16:35] <pitti> Laney: ah sorry, that was my doing
[16:36] <pitti> the test was hung, and I killed it as I wanted to roll out a new worker
[16:36] <pitti> but I thought I already retried it
[16:36] <seb128> pitti, i tried it, the bg flickering is giving me headaches
[16:36] <seb128> I hope I'm not the only one to see that and that we manage to get upstream/somebody to look at it
[16:37] <willcooke> Parents evening at the school, back in 30 mins
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/gtk.ogv
[16:37] <pitti> that'll be a really short evening
[16:37] <seb128> pitti, the first part of the video is with the new gtk then it's the old one
[16:38] <qengho> When I have those, I have to bring the teacher a bottle of scotch and dry her tears for two hours.
[16:38] <pitti> seb128: I think the video loses the effect somewhat, but I think I know what you mean
[16:40] <pitti> uh, so empathy/telepathy are dead for good? what a pity
[16:40] <pitti> (reading willcooke's 16.04 change proposals)
[16:40] <seb128> they are unmaintained at least
[16:41] <pitti> TBH I've been using pidgin for a while as empathy still doesn't do OTR (encryption)
[16:41] <seb128> telepathy is used as a framework on the phone so I think it's still a thing
[16:41] <qengho> exit empathy. enter tor messenger
[16:41] <pitti> but yeah, the world moving back from XMPP is really sad
[16:42] <seb128> yeah :-/
[16:42] <seb128> pitti, Xavier submitted patched for OTR on https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16891#c46
[16:42] <seb128> but those didn't get merged (yet)
[16:43] <pitti> I know, it's already quite old
[16:45] <seb128> tjaalton, what do you mean in bug #1514908? what sort of support do you expect from a file-manager?
[16:45] <Laney> larsu: is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748498 a bug you could add to your list?
[16:46] <Laney> some people are complaining about it ;-)
[16:48] <tjaalton> seb128: oh man :)
[16:48] <seb128> tjaalton, you meant lightdm right? ;-)
[16:48] <tjaalton> yes, changed it
[16:48] <seb128> thanks
[16:51] <tjaalton> had a nautilus bug page open, clicked report a bug and then changed the package name, but apparently it's too late at that point
[17:24] * willcooke back
[17:36] <seb128> wb willcooke
[17:49] <larsu> Laney: I can have a look, but I sense this is a Company question..
[17:53] <seb128> larsu, I think Laney just tried to get the ball rolling on it because I complained about it and the bugzilla seems to sit there ignored
[17:55] <larsu> seb128: ok :)
[17:55] <larsu> makes sense
[17:56] <seb128> larsu, it might be my fault for having a laptop old and slow enough that it's quite visible
[17:56] <seb128> larsu, unsure if you saw the video, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/gtk.ogv
[17:58] <larsu> seb128: just testing it - I can see it as well (but very briefly)
[17:58] <seb128> I wonder if it's another CSD frame extent issue
[17:58] <seb128> it's not a theme one at least
[18:00] <larsu> maybe a frame clock thing?
[18:00] <larsu> the bug report mentions this not happening on composited wms
[18:00] <larsu> could be that unity misses somethign
[18:01] <didrocks> good evening everyone, see you on thursday! (tomorrow is off in France)
[18:01] <larsu> didrocks: enjoy!
[18:01] <didrocks> thanks larsu!
[18:03] * larsu wanted to try on gnome shell, but guest session seems to be broken
[18:03] <seb128> yeah, indeed, I noticed that as wel
[18:03] <seb128> you can switch to another user though
[18:04] <larsu> can also relogin myself
[18:38] <willcooke> dinner. bbl
[19:02] <jono> hey folks
[19:02] <jono> my Unity8 session is still not starting
[19:02] <jono> using the container version on 15.10
[19:02] <jono> any idea how I get it working?
[19:03] <qengho> jono: pastebin "dmesg |tail" ?
[19:04] <jono> qengho, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13218010/
[19:05] <jono> I tried this too:
[19:05] <jono> jono@forge:~$ sudo unity8-lxc-setup --rebuild-all --redownload
[19:05] <jono> usage: unity8-lxc-setup [-h] [--rebuild] [--test SECONDS] [--destroy]
[19:05] <jono> [--update-lxc]
[19:05] <jono> unity8-lxc-setup: error: unrecognized arguments: --rebuild-all --redownload
[19:05] <jono> which seems odd
[19:05] <jono> it seems odd as dpm got it working in this pastebin: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11724558/
[19:07] <davmor2> jono: try --rebuild all
[19:07] <jono> davmor2,
[19:07] <jono> jono@forge:~$ sudo unity8-lxc-setup --rebuild-all
[19:07] <jono> usage: unity8-lxc-setup [-h] [--rebuild] [--test SECONDS] [--destroy]
[19:07] <jono> [--update-lxc]
[19:07] <jono> unity8-lxc-setup: error: unrecognized arguments: --rebuild-all
[19:07] <jono> oops
[19:07] <jono> unity8-lxc-setup: error: unrecognized arguments: all
[19:08] <davmor2> jono: remove the all all together
[19:08] <jono> so just --rebuild ?
[19:08] <jono> it seems to be working now
[19:08] <davmor2> jono: seems to be the thing listed
[19:08] <qengho> That "usage" line says so.
[19:08] <jono> it is updating it now it seems
[19:09] <jono> downloading a bunch of packages
[19:09] <jono> davmor2, how often is this container updated?
[19:09] <davmor2> jono: it might be that you are on a different version than dpm so his might of had rebuild-all whereas your version didn't
[19:09] <jono> with the most recent unity8 trunk?
[19:09] <jono> ahhh
[19:09] <qengho> ....or one of you is on some PPA.
[19:10] <davmor2> jono: one for someone else I'm afraid I don't use it
[19:10] <jono> davmor2, np
[19:15] <jono> how you doing davmor2?
[19:16] <davmor2> jono: Good thanks, busy as hell, How about you, you git......hub person you ;)
[19:17] <jono> davmor2, good pal
[19:17] <jono> just off for a week before I start :-)
[19:18] <davmor2> jono: man holidays before you start, weirdo ;)
[19:18] <davmor2> jono: looking forward to the excitement of the tech world again?
[19:19] <jono> davmor2, indeed, I am glad to be back in the thick of things :-)
[19:22] <czajkowski> jono: you're just happy to not use a mac again :)
[19:25] <jono> czajkowski, yeah - well, I think I will dual boot
[19:26] <jono> I like Ubuntu, but I also need some Mac things - e.g. GitHub Desktop
[19:26] * czajkowski hugs her X1
[19:26] <czajkowski> jono: ah fair point I've mostly been able to get away with other tools except goto meeting, doesnt view camera but other than that :D
[19:30] <jono> ok folks, I get some errors: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13218192/
[19:30] <jono> when I ran: sudo unity8-lxc-setup --rebuild
[19:30] <jono> czajkowski, you use Ubuntu?
[19:32] <czajkowski> jono: yes, asking me to do stuff on a mac took me a lot longer
[19:33] <jono> ahhh
[19:36] <czajkowski> jono: to be fair I'm the only one on my team that refused the mac :) the rest use a mac or windows.
[19:36] <czajkowski> for our .net sdk workings
[19:37] <jono> czajkowski, I think that is pretty normal
[19:50] <willcooke> right, g'gnith
[19:50] <willcooke> night
[20:11] <zmaj> hello, anyone here?
[20:14] <davmor2> yes
[20:15] <zmaj> I am looking into building a Ubuntu based distro with i3wm, do any of you use i3wm?
[20:28] <zmaj> I guess I will ask it in #ubuntu instead
[20:28] <zmaj> close
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[08:21] * Unit193 scratches head...
[08:27] <flocculant> pour quoi?
[11:46] <bluesabre> possible solution for our default templates, http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-xenial-scratchpad
[11:47] <bluesabre> and other first-time run activities
[11:50] <bluesabre> also, morning flocculant
[11:52] <flocculant> hi bluesabre :)
[11:55] <flocculant> I couldn't think of any other ones we'd need
[12:01] <bluesabre> flocculant: as far as templates?
[12:02] <bluesabre> maybe plain text
[12:06] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea I guess so - I forget the empty doc isn't really anything
[16:36] <Unit193> ...And it got sponsored anyway, incorrectly closing that bug.
[18:21] <Dezponia> So help me out with some confirmation bias here guys. I've been tasked by work to setup a bunch of old computers with GNU/Linux for a charity. The machines are of varying age and performance but most are from the Vista/early win7 days. They should preferably have the same distro on them so the people using them only need to learn 1 system. They must be easy to maintain for years since no one with much GNU/Linux experiance can
[18:21] <Dezponia> be expected to help them out (often)
[18:21] <Dezponia> So far I'm think Xubuntu might be a good fit since it should be a solid base with an LTS release and still fit the more light weight machines
[18:24] <knome> Dezponia, this would be a better question for #xubuntu
[18:24] <knome> Dezponia, or #xubuntu-offtopic
[18:24] <Dezponia> knome: Was about to say. I just joined this channel because its what was referenced on the Xubuntu community page
[18:25] <Dezponia> No mention of the other channels that I could see :)
[18:25] <knome> Dezponia, which page?
[18:25] <Dezponia> http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[18:25] <Dezponia> Reached by just clicking the "The Community" link at the top
[18:26] <knome> Dezponia, ok...
[18:26] <Dezponia> knome: I suppose the "Help & Support" tab would've made more sense now that I look it over
[18:27] <Dezponia> knome: There the correct channels are listed .Thanks anyway, off I go to those channels :)
[18:27] <knome> yeah, but maybe we need to rethink the website too
[18:27] <knome> good luck
[18:27] <knome> (and see you there)
[20:05] <ochosi> evening all
[20:06] <knome> hello ochosi
[20:08] <ochosi> just looking at the template stuff bluesabre put down
[20:18] <ochosi> weird, i don't get my remote locations in the open-file dialog anymore in wily
[20:18] <ochosi> really strange
[20:20] <ochosi> have any of you noticed that? specifically: i have some ssh locations that used to show up there after being mounted in thunar
[20:20] <dkessel> bluesabre: i like the idea. Added a little detail thing that came to my mind
[20:25] <flocculant> evening ochosi
[20:33] <ochosi> hey flocculant
[20:41] <flocculant> ochosi: rested I trust - for a little while :)
[20:41] <ochosi> yeah, for a little while only though ;)
[20:42] <ochosi> brb
[21:05] <Unit193> Noskcaj: I see you are around now, note that mousepad fix didn't fix the issue.
[21:09] <Noskcaj> Unit193, bug 1472690 ?
[21:11] <Unit193> Noskcaj: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/11/05/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t06:32
[21:17] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I'll try to fix that in the next few days
[21:43] <Unit193> Alrighty.
[21:46] <ochosi> Noskcaj: you could also comment on the bugreport and reopen it, for clarity
[22:36] <ranu> Long time no see :>
[22:36] <ranu> nighty guys
[22:41] <knome> hmm?
[22:49] <ranu> Don't bother with me knome, I'm just excited to be on IRC again
[22:50] <knome> okay..
[23:55] <bluesabre> evening all
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-nl
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[12:01] <robbert> goedenmiddag ik had een vraag over het installeren van een nvidia driver
[12:03] <robbert> ik wil graag een driver van nvidia gebruiken en ik weet niet welke driver ik moet hebben en krijg geen van alle drivers geinstalleerd
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> robbert: welke kaart heb je?
[12:04] <robbert> ik heb een wat oudere laptop compaq pressario cq70
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> robbert: sudo lshw -C video
[12:05] <robbert> ?
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> robbert: het zou handig zijn moesten we je chipset van je grafische kaart weten
[12:06] <robbert> hoe kom ik daar achter ?
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> robbert: sudo lshw -C video vanuit een terminal
[12:07] <robbert> terminal ?
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> robbert: terminalvenster
[12:09] <robbert> hoe kom ik daar ?
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> robbert: start knop links boven and typ terminal
[12:13] <robbert> ben in terminal
[12:13] <robbert> en nu
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> robbert: scroll omhoog, heb al 2 keer gezegd
[12:15] <robbert> heb ingetoetst
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> robbert: pastebin eens de text die je krijgt
[12:17] <robbert> robbert@robbert-Notebook-PC:~$ sudo lshw -C [sudo] password for robbert: Sorry, probeer opnieuw [sudo] password for robbert: Hardware Lister (lshw) - B.02.16 usage: lshw [-format] [-options ...] lshw -version -version print program version (B.02.16) format can be -html output hardware tree as HTML -xml output hardware tree as XML -short output hardware paths -businfo out
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> robbert: gebruik pastebin.com aub
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> robbert: an sudo lshw -C video
[12:21] <robbert> product: G98M [GeForce 9200M GS]
[12:21] <robbert> dat is wat je nodig hebt toch
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> robbert: wat staat er achter driver=
[12:23] <robbert> driver=nouveau latency=0
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> robbert: wil je eens kijken in je extra stuurpgramma's (hardware icoontje)
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> robbert: welke drivers er nog staan
[12:30] <lordievader> Is 9200 niet best wel oud?
[12:31] <lordievader> Vraag me af of nVidia het uberhaupt nog ondersteund.
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> ja al ouder cuda kaartje
[12:43] <robbert> ja maar dan nog krijg ik het niet voor elkaar om software te installeren
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> robbert: welke drivers staan er allemaal in je lijst?
[12:57] <robbert> waar kan ik die het makkelijkst vinden
[12:58] <robbert> kan er meer manieren naar zoeken in het softwarecentrum
[12:59] <lotuspsychje> robbert: drivers dienen geinstalleerd te worden via extra stuurprogramma's
[13:09] <robbert> waar vind ik dat
[13:09] <robbert> ben er een beetje uit geloof ik
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> robbert: start knop/extra stuurprogramma's
[13:12] <robbert> al gevonden
[13:14] <robbert> er staat namelijk bij dit apparaat gebruikt een alternatief stuurprogramma
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> robbert: welke staan er allemaal in je lijst?
[13:47] <robbert> hallo daar
[13:48] <robbert> eventjes een klein probleempje met de laptop
[13:48] <robbert> werd een beetje te warm
[13:48] <robbert> probleem met nvidia driver is inmiddels opgelost
[13:49] <robbert> maar lost niet het probleem met mijn scherm op
[13:49] <robbert> hele kleine verticale rode streepjes
[13:50] <robbert> over heel het scherm
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> robbert: je zou eens lubuntu of xubuntu kunnen uitproberen
[13:50] <robbert> zou dat wel verschil maken ?
[13:51] <robbert> ben bang dat het een nieuw scherm word
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> robbert: je kan altijd liveusb testen en kijken
[13:51] <robbert> hoe doe ik dat ?
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> robbert: download een lubuntu of een xubuntu .iso en maak hem met de opstartschijf maker van ubuntu
[13:52] <robbert> lubuntu of xubuntu op usb zetten via ?
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> robbert: das een iconntje van een harde schijf met ubuntu lobo+ groen pijltje
[13:53] <robbert> in het software centrum ?
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> robbert: nee ook in je start knop
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> robbert: opstartschijf aanmaken
[19:59] <SWAT> johanvd, Cees: al iets met letsencrypt gedaan toevallig?
[20:02] <Cees> SWAT, letsencrypt is nog maar beperkt beschikbaar in beta. Vanaf 16 november komt het breed beschikbaar https://letsencrypt.org/2015/08/07/updated-lets-encrypt-launch-schedule.html
[20:09] <SWAT> Cees: thanks for the headsup. Ben weer net iets te vroeg blijkbaar
[20:10] <Cees> weekje
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-us-mi
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[02:42] <cmaloney> Fucking hell
[02:42] <cmaloney> just got back from round two.
[03:15] <rick_h__> ugh :(
[03:15] <rick_h__> sucky cmaloney
[03:15] <cmaloney> Yeah, no worries
[03:15] <cmaloney> Hopefully we'll have a quiet night so I can get my headlight replaced on my car. :)
[04:51] <Scary_Guy> exit
[04:51] <Scary_Guy> fuck
[06:03] <Scary_Guy> Does anyone know of anywhere that discusses UI/UX theory? No WM seems to do what I want :(
[06:15] <Scary_Guy> bbl, nap
[12:47] <Scary_Guy> So I plan on making it, who else is going today?
[12:55] <rick_h__> making?
[12:55] <rick_h__> and UI/UX theory, lots of books and online places to chat UX. I just normally bug one of our UX folks to bikeshed stuff
[12:56] <Scary_Guy> the mug.org meetup
[12:56] <rick_h__> ah, not going to make it tonight
[12:58] <Scary_Guy> too bad, I'm looking forward to meeting new people. all I remember is I owe someone a cookie, not quite sure who :)
[13:01] <cmaloney> heh
[13:02] <cmaloney> I'lm planning on being htere but not sure about Red Lobster afterward
[13:02] <Scary_Guy> I'm making a special point for that. I want to try that pizza!
[13:03] <cmaloney> heh
[13:03] <cmaloney> Yeah, it is a favorite
[13:03] <Scary_Guy> I don't think you understand how deep my love of pizza affects me. <3
[13:04] <cmaloney> Oh I understand completely
[13:04] <Scary_Guy> That isn't a heart, it's a pizza with a bent crust
[13:04] <cmaloney> Same. Pizza is awesome
[13:05] <Scary_Guy> I'm mildly autistic and am super picky, I eat like 5 things
[13:06] <Scary_Guy> I could eat pizza for the rest of my life and be happy
[13:06] <Scary_Guy> I'm not saying that's a good thing, but it is indeed a thing
[13:11] <cmaloney> understood
[13:27] <PainBank> Do you ever get that feeling, when you are not in an irc channel long enough, you have anxiety over having not been there in a while?
[13:27] <PainBank> It's been a while and feels good to be back in here.
[13:28] <Scary_Guy> Only when I know there are people who don't like me that used to show up as regulars
[13:35] <Scary_Guy> http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/news/g1-minor-progress-cme-arrival-expected-within-next-48-hours
[13:48] <PainBank> fascinating. never delved into CME and solar flares much. quite the interesting thing there.
[13:49] <PainBank> it will be interesting when we get hit with a severe one that knocks out a lot of serious electronics.
[13:49] <Scary_Guy> I saw it come across #i3detroit and thought I'd share for anyone interested, considering the people here might want to know.
[14:38] <Scary_Guy> hey
[14:52] <cmaloney> lo
[15:25] <Scary_Guy> welcome back
[15:26] <Scary_Guy> thinking on what you said earlier I also wonder if most people are quiet just because they don't like me. then after I leave the channel comes to life with activity. Schrodinger's IRC
[15:32] <PainBank> thanks. and ya, you gotta poke it to see if it has changed and in doing so....
[16:18] <cmaloney> I think folks just get busy with the day
[18:34] <cmaloney> rick_h__: https://www.eightsensiblegifts.com
[23:09] <Scary_Guy> so I got lazy. I hear theoretically I can conference in somehow?
[23:13] <Scary_Guy> oh neat, youtube. they do streaming right? I hate missin out :/
[23:14] <rick_h__> cmaloney: hah on the gifts
[23:20] <cmaloney> Yeah, we're running a hangout
[23:22] <Scary_Guy> cool, how do I join?
[23:25] <cmaloney> https://hangouts.google.com/call/5ddj7gh3yackvt2amdjll65llia
[23:33] <Scary_Guy> sweet, now why can't chromium see my camera and why can't hangouts work without it?
[23:33] <Scary_Guy> never mind, am retarded
[23:36] <Scary_Guy> "Couldn't start the video call because of a network error." grrrr
[23:38] <cmaloney> uh
[23:38] <cmaloney> ugh
[23:39] <Scary_Guy> I'm about to download chrome proper and try that :/
[23:46] <brousch> Deicide might be the only band more awesome than Morbid Angel
[23:47] <cmaloney> I never got into Deicide
[23:49] <Scary_Guy> Shape of Despair
[23:59] <Scary_Guy> thanks, the audio sucks though, I'll watch it on youtube later :/
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-pt
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[01:50] <astroo-> New encryption ransomware targets Linux systems http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/11/new-encryption-ransomware-targets-linux-systems/
[03:50] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-11-10-#ubuntu-us-tn
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[00:50] <aedend> cyberanger why CDN77?
[00:51] <aedend> cyberanger what do you like about it?
[01:57] <cyberanger> aedend: Really, it's just the price, prepaid and cheap
[01:58] <cyberanger> It seems a lot of CDN's are postpaid (and it's not like I can control the traffic to hold to a budget after the fact) and require monthly maintence fees that are beyond what I can justify currently
[01:58] <cyberanger> If I could afford Cloudflare I'd use them
[03:16] <Unit193> You need a CDN?
[03:17] <Unit193> I don't know why/how/what the catch is for the free tier, care to share?
[04:48] <cyberanger> Cloudflare's free teir?
[04:48] <cyberanger> CDN77 I don't think has a free tier, just a 14 day trial
[05:01] <Unit193> Yeah.
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2024-05-13T22:11:29.011914
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-ir
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[12:19] <user4-6> salam
[12:59] <milad_> salam
[13:00] <Guest89789> man ta hala channel IRC naioomadeh boodam
[13:00] <Guest89789> jaye khoobieh?
[13:03] <Guest89789> الووووو
[13:29] <Hrorek> iraj, where did MortezaE go?
[13:30] <iraj> Hrorek, i dont know
[13:34] <Hrorek> ok
[13:34] <Azitrex> where do you know morteza ? Hrorek
[13:34] <Hrorek> this channel and #persian
[13:47] <yakh> @philipballew, hi
[15:50] <sadrolla> سلام دوستان
[15:50] <sadrolla> من یه فلش دارم که به صورت فقط خواندنی mount میشه
[15:50] <sadrolla> کسی میتونه راهنمایی کنه؟
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:29.017118
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-us-or
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[22:09] <tron103> Salem, checking in.
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-se
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[18:28] <leif_nys> Hallå. Finns det någon här?
[19:33] <huttan> ja nu :)
[20:47] <leif_nys> Någon här inne?
[20:48] <Amoz> leif_nys, ja
[20:48] <Amoz> 60 totalt, om man inte räknar med dig
[20:49] <leif_nys> aha. Jag är ny och ovan
[20:49] <leif_nys> Tack för svaret . . .;)
[21:04] <Amoz> *sigh*
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2024-05-13T22:11:29.020514
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-ru
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[09:22] <SergeyIT> вдохновения
[09:23] <andrex> мы все умрем!
[09:23] <andrex> так пойдет?
[09:23] <SergeyIT> оптимист ты, однако
[09:24] <andrex> ураа, товарисчи
[09:39] <Molloh> Привет,есть кто?
[09:40] <uneform_alex> Доброе утро
[09:40] <uneform_alex> \me расслабляется
[09:40] <Molloh> Привет,помощь некоторая мне нужна,если можно)
[09:42] <Molloh> Ауууу!ЕСть кто?
[09:46] <uneform_alex> Какая?
[09:51] <Molloh> Проблема с разрешением у меня.Компьютер подключен к ЖК телевизору и все значки огромные,пробовал ставить драйвера в итоге или значки огромные и есть звук через hdmiили разрешение нормальное но звука нет
[10:01] <Molloh> Алекс?
[18:50] <LeXX8800> в вин7 стоит виртуал бокс, в боксе стоит сервер убунту, из убунту интернет есть, из вин7 не могу зайти не на вебсервер не в самбу
[19:25] <LeXX8800> сам разобрался, вопрос отменяется
[19:55] <Sergey_IT> спокойствия
[22:54] <bakasennin> всем привет, помогите, пожалуйста, починить зависимости (libreoffice хочу удалить): http://paste.ubuntu.com/13354302/
[22:58] <SmOkE_RU> aptitude remove libreoffice
[22:59] <SmOkE_RU> попробуй
[23:02] <bakasennin> спасибо, через aptitude вышло, до этого через apt-get не получалось
[23:04] <SmOkE_RU> Ходит мнение что аптитуд лучше работает
[23:05] <SmOkE_RU> Чем апг-гет.
[23:05] <SmOkE_RU> Сам аптитудом последнее время пользуюсь :)
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2015-11-19-#launchpad-dev
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[03:05] <maozhou> There is a AssertionError after running queue script, how to fix it?
[03:05] <maozhou> http://i12.tietuku.com/0939c6e2d1ad6d09.png
[03:09] <wgrant> maozhou: It's possible that the versions of launchpadlib and keyring that you have installed are incompatible, or your keyring file is corrupted.
[03:09] <wgrant> You're using the system python-keyring, but your own version of python-launchpadlib.
[03:14] <maozhou> wgrant: How to fix it?
[03:16] <wgrant> maozhou: I don't know, it's not a problem I've seen before. You're running a mixed set of versions, so you'll have to debug it.
[03:24] <maozhou> wgrant: I find the keyring file is corrupted, and I have fixed it, thank you :)
[17:28] <bjf> is it possible to get a version of python3-launchpadlib for trusty ?
[20:31] <blr> cjwatson: who would we ask about a potential backport?
[20:32] <blr> dimitri presumably?
[20:32] <cjwatson> bjf: I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to produce one yourself, but there appears to be one in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-foundations/+archive/ubuntu/ci-train-backports
[20:33] <cjwatson> blr: ^-
[20:33] <blr> handy
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2024-05-13T22:11:29.030455
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-it
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[00:03] <Carlin0> tommy90, hai ubuntu o xubuntu o cosa ?
[00:03] <tommy90> ubuntu 15.04
[00:04] <Carlin0> 'nattimo
[00:04] <tommy90> certo grazie
[00:07] <tommy90> ma si possono modificare manualmente i file dalla cartella sources.list.d stlile win95
[00:07] <Carlin0> tommy90, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:08] <Carlin0> ti si apre il file cancelli tutto il contenuto e incolli dentro quello che trovi qui http://sprunge.us/IWQB
[00:08] <Carlin0> salvi e chiudi
[00:09] <tommy90> fatto
[00:09] <Carlin0> sudo apt update && sudo apt -y dist-upgrade
[00:09] <Carlin0> dimmi se da errori
[00:12] <tommy90> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/EFludHQDR2y3wLp1VpXa
[00:13] <tommy90> si ha dato errori W: Errore GPG: http://archive.canonical.com vivid InRelease: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perché la chiave pubblica non è disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5 NO_PUBKEY 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32
[00:15] <Carlin0> tommy90, sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[00:15] <Carlin0> tommy90, sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32
[00:16] <tommy90> fatto
[00:16] <Carlin0> sudo apt update
[00:17] <tommy90> mi da gli stessi errori
[00:18] <Carlin0> ma quando dai sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[00:18] <Carlin0> cosa dice ?
[00:20] <tommy90> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/gfbEdiWdSPKRd0GDXHdG
[00:22] <Carlin0> ls /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
[00:23] <tommy90> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/qmFLBXqtRFarKqlFCSPE
[00:25] <Carlin0> sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/caffeine*
[00:25] <Carlin0> sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/danielrichter2007*
[00:26] <Carlin0> sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive*
[00:26] <Carlin0> sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/gnome3*
[00:27] <Carlin0> sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/gwendal*
[00:27] <Carlin0> sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/hollywood_ubuntu*
[00:27] <tommy90> grz li sto dando tutti
[00:27] <Carlin0> sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/noobslab_ubuntu*
[00:28] <Carlin0> sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/pipelight*
[00:28] <Carlin0> sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/webupd8team*
[00:29] <Carlin0> sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/upubuntu-com-tor*
[00:29] <Carlin0> sudo rm -rf /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/venerix-pkg*
[00:30] <Carlin0> non li ho tolti tutti ma buona parte
[00:30] <Carlin0> ora riproviamo
[00:30] <tommy90> ottimo
[00:30] <Carlin0> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[00:30] <Carlin0> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32
[00:31] <Carlin0> da errori ?
[00:32] <tommy90> non lo so dò apt-get update o incollo il risultato dei tuoi codici
[00:32] <Carlin0> sudo apt update
[00:32] <Carlin0> proviamo
[00:34] <tommy90> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/DPuNXHDiRGMIhapycDIM
[00:35] <tommy90> qualcosa è successo non sò se in meglio o in peggio
[00:35] <Carlin0> nulla di grave...
[00:35] <Carlin0> ora rimediamo
[00:36] <Carlin0> sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:36] <tommy90> ottimo è 2 seettimane che non si sblocca dal quel errore delle 2 chiavi che non fa piu
[00:37] <Carlin0> ti si apre il file
[00:37] <Carlin0> devi mettere un cancelletto all'inizio di questa riga
[00:37] <tommy90> si
[00:37] <Carlin0> deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ vivid-updates main universe restricted multiverse
[00:37] <Carlin0> # deb http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ vivid-updates main universe restricted multiverse
[00:37] <Carlin0> così
[00:38] <Carlin0> salvi e chiudi
[00:38] <tommy90> ok fatto
[00:38] <Carlin0> sudo apt update
[00:39] <tommy90> All packages are up to date
[00:40] <Carlin0> mannnaggia a voi e ai ppa :o)
[00:40] <tommy90> ahahahahah
[00:40] <Carlin0> da errori ?
[00:40] <tommy90> 6 un grande
[00:40] <tommy90> no
[00:40] <Carlin0> ok allora vado a cuccia :P
[00:40] <tommy90> te lo incollo il pastebin se vuoi per soddisfazione personale
[00:40] <Carlin0> dai vediamo
[00:40] <tommy90> grazie te lo sei meritato
[00:41] <Carlin0> figurati non conosco benissimo ubuntu perchè non lo uso
[00:41] <tommy90> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/MjaZcrpTLCz7fXUE4ogg
[00:41] <Carlin0> infatti viaggio + di terminale che altro
[00:42] <Carlin0> sei a posto... ciao buonanotte
[00:42] <tommy90> io purtroppo ho scoperto il terminale da poco e grazie a ubuntu
[00:42] <tommy90> grazie mille anche tu e scusa se ti ho fatto disperare con quelle ppa
[00:42] <Carlin0> pian piannino imparerai anche tu
[00:42] <Carlin0> /away
[00:42] <Carlin0> ops
[00:43] <tommy90> me lo auguro hai fatto un lavoro splendido finalmente posso aggiornare a 15.10
[00:43] <tommy90> buonanotte
[01:29] <nteing> ciao..qualcuno mi puo aiutare con il wifi?
[01:30] <nteing> vedo le linee wifi ma non la mia..e' strano
[01:31] <nteing> nessuno?
[02:13] <nteing> qualcuno che mi puo aiutare col wifip
[08:44] <calamaro> salve, mi servirebbe un po' di assistenza per far funzionare una scheda audio installata da poco...
[09:15] <Gio91> Posso formulare la domanda?
[09:15] <akis24> !chiedi | Gio91
[09:15] <ubot-it> Gio91: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)
[09:17] <Gio91> ho un problema, sto cercando di attaccare un monitor tv al mio pc con sistema operativo ubuntu.. nel farlo però non riesco assolutamente a fare come si fà in windows xp/7 perchè il monitor rimane com'è mentre il tv collegato visualizza solo lo sfondo del mio desktop senza farmi vedere icone/mouse
[09:18] <tumbler> come lo hai collegato? HDMI???
[09:19] <tumbler> vai in impostazioni proprietà monitor e vedi se puoi fare lo switch su monitor 2 o HDMI
[09:22] <Gio91> l'ho collegato con un cavo hdmi però andando sulle impostazioni monitor vedo i due quadranti ma non riesco a fare lo switch uno dentro l'altro... riesco soltanto a spostare i monitor uno sopra e uno sotto.. uno a destra e uno a sinistra senza mai sovrapporre le due schermate
[09:23] <ExPBoy> Gio91, e perchè vuoi sovrapporli?
[09:24] <ExPBoy> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/DoppioMonitor
[09:30] <Gio91> nessuno può linkarmi un video dimostrativo per come fare?
[10:20] <giiovanni> salve a tuttiio sono nuovo su ubuntu versione 15.10 vorrei sapere e possibbile installare i driver per tp -link modello tl-w725n usb nano su su guesto sistema ??
[10:23] <giiovanni> modello tl-wn725n
[10:28] <akis24> giiovanni: hai provato a vedere se dall'icona network-manager puoi effettuare la connessione wifi e se viene vista la rete ??
[10:30] <ExPBoy> lol
[11:47] <calamaro> non riesco a far funzionare la scheda audio... non so se ci sono dei passaggi da fare... driver o non so che...
[12:13] <Davide> Ciao, ho appena scaricato ubuntu, sono completamente alle prime armi. Ho visto che normalmente ci sarebbe la possibilità di selezionare le aree di lavoro dal launcher , solo che io sul launcher non ho proprio l'icona!
[12:18] <Carlin0> Davide, non uso quell'interfaccia grafica , ma le aree di lavoro dovresti poterle selezionare anche tramite ALT + CTRL * frecce ← →
[12:23] <Davide> Ci ho provato ma non funziona!
[12:23] <ExPBoy> Davide, http://help.ubuntu-it.org/8.04/ubuntu/user-guide/it/overview-workspaces.html
[12:23] <ExPBoy> è per 8.04 ma dovrebbe funzionare
[12:24] <Carlin0> strano che non funzioni ctrl + alt + frecce
[12:25] <Carlin0> funziona su tutti i de
[12:25] <ExPBoy> Davide, ma hai impostato le aree di lavoro?
[12:26] <ExPBoy> uhm
[13:31] <alessio> Ciao a tutti! ieri ho provato per la prima volta ubuntu, ho una scheda di rete broadcom, e non mi viene riconosciuta, insomma posso navigare solo se uso il cavo, ed è un gran disagio.. avete consigli?
[13:37] <gigirock> alessio, dovremmo sapere che tipo di chip monta quel pc....
[13:38] <alessio> per il momento sono loggato in windows, ho più dimestichezza, chip intendi chipset?
[13:38] <gigirock> alessio , se sei su quel pc con ubuntu dal terminale il comando lshw ci dara' una lista dell'hardware installato....
[13:39] <alessio> sono su quel pc, ma con windows ora
[13:40] <gigirock> alessio, dovresi dirci che tipo di chip per wifi broadcomm usa quel pc
[13:40] <alessio> non saprei come trovarlo, ho trovato il numero del driver, ma non il chip..
[13:41] <gigirock> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx alessio leggi questa guida di solito il problema e' questo
[13:41] <alessio> leggo subito =)
[13:45] <alessio> gigirock ti ringrazio, provo a loggarmi in ubuntu ed eseguire il comando, comunque è mai possibile che in windows l'informazione sulla scheda di rete non riesco a ottenerla? :S ho provato con everest e il comando dxdiag ma nulla
[13:48] <gigirock> lol alessio , fai dal cmd e digita il comando ipconfig /all
[13:49] <alessio> già provato, ma dice solo broadcom 802.11n
[13:50] <alessio> che è lo stesso che ho letto in gestione dispositivi xD
[13:51] <alessio> insomma il terminale di windows è molto scadente rispetto a quello di ubuntu o sbaglio?
[13:52] <gigirock> alessio, windows e' scadente e basta
[13:52] <alessio> ma si io non mi sento di colpevolizzare a questo punto xD diciamo che ha i suoi difetti
[13:53] <krabador> che problema c'è?
[13:53] <alessio> ciao krabador, sto cercando di individuare il tipo di sheda di rete che monto, so che è una broadcom 802.11n ma non riesco a ottenere maggiori informazioni
[13:54] <alessio> quando ero entrato in ubuntu non riuscivo a far partire il wifi, cosi son tornato in windows per trovare quest'informazione ma nulla :S
[13:54] <krabador> alessio, fa un supporto installazione ubuntu, o dvd o usb, carichi la sessione di prova, apri il terminale, sudo lshw -C network
[13:54] <krabador> e ti dice cosa hai
[13:55] <alessio> sisi tra poco torno in ubuntu e segui i consigli di gigirock, stavo solo dicendo che windows ha una pecca su questo lato, come mai non consentono di ottenere queste info?
[13:55] <alessio> *seguo
[13:56] <ExPBoy> alessio, il modo c'è ma esula dallo scopo di questo canale
[13:56] <alessio> ah chiedo scusa, non volevo andare fuori tema!
[13:57] <krabador> alessio, meglio se mandi lspci -nn -d 14e4: (compresi i due punti)
[13:57] <alessio> per quanto riguarda il comando Ishw krabador, come l'hai trovato? c'è un manuale?
[13:57] <krabador> alessio, non è Ishw
[13:57] <alessio> perdona le mie probabilmente stupide domande, ma mi sto approcciando per l prima volta a ubuntu
[13:57] <krabador> elle esse acca vvù
[13:58] <krabador> alessio, c'è un manuale pressochè per ogni comando della bash
[13:58] <alessio> non esiste un manuale con la raccolta dei comandi da poter stampare? almeno so da dove iniziare a studiare xD
[13:59] <gigirock> alessio, quando 6 in ubuntu "man" seguito dal comando che vuoi studiare...................
[13:59] <alessio> mi sto scrivendo tutto come uno scolaretto ahaha
[14:00] <krabador> alessio, certo che ci sono
[14:00] <krabador> un buon punto di partenza è appunto "man comando" dal terminale
[14:00] <alessio> posso chiedervi un info su un "grande mito"? ora che uso poi ubuntu, l'antivirus ci va o no????
[14:00] <krabador> no
[14:01] <alessio> mentre per tutti gli altri driver come faccio a sapere "se se li è presi"?
[14:01] <alessio> tipo in windows andavo in gestione periferiche e da li guardavo, c'è un equivalente in ubuntu?
[14:02] <krabador> lshw
[14:02] <krabador> sudo lshw
[14:02] <krabador> ti dice tutto
[14:02] <krabador> c'è anche interfaccia grafica
[14:02] <krabador> ma se la live parte, sono pochissime le cose che possono non essere andate
[14:03] <alessio> nel caso ci fossero altre cose che non vanno c'è un modo per fargliele pescare in automatico o devo cercare driver sul web?
[14:08] <alessio> rientro con ubuntu, grazie davvero a tutti! speriamo in bene!!
[14:09] <Guest94713> ciao a tutti, come si mette la possibilità di scegliere sistema operativo all'accensione tra ubuntu e windows?
[15:04] <Ignorante> Salve signori chi mi sa dire come far comparire il pannello di regolazione dei volumi del microfono e degli altoparlanti? Sono su Lubuntu e quando faccio click col destro sull'altoparlante e clicco su "impostazioni << controllo volume>>" mi si apre il pannello e basta
[15:05] <krabador> Ignorante, apri il terminale, digita alsamixer
[15:06] <krabador> invio
[15:06] <Ignorante> ok un secondo
[15:06] <Ignorante> sono comparse robe
[15:06] <krabador> Ignorante, con f6 selezioni la scheda
[15:07] <Ignorante> ok
[15:07] <Ignorante> è carina sta cosa
[15:07] <krabador> con f3 le uscite, con f4 le entrate
[15:08] <Ignorante> ok
[15:08] <Ignorante> ora per esempio sono nel task di cattura
[15:08] <Ignorante> e vedo che il mic boost è a zero
[15:08] <Ignorante> come cambio il valore?
[15:09] <krabador> freccià su
[15:10] <Ignorante> ... incredibile
[15:10] <Ignorante> così semplice
[15:10] <Ignorante> per salvare le impostazioni?
[15:10] <krabador> semplicemente premi esc
[15:11] <Ignorante> meraviglioso
[15:11] <Ignorante> krabador sei stato gentilissimo
[15:11] <krabador> di niente
[15:37] <zito> salve, provato ad usare pyRenamer per rinominare più file. Ha funzionato solo la prima volta. Nel rinominarli una seconda volta il nuovo nome viene aggiunto e non va a sostituire quello originale
[15:54] <Ciano> salva ragazzi
[15:55] <akis24> Ciano: si siamo salvi o forse volevi dire salve ...
[15:55] <Ciano> qualquno mi puo dire come faccio far vedere lo scanner ad simple scan?
[15:55] <Carlin0> che scanner Ciano ?
[15:55] <Ciano> ho epson wf 3520
[15:56] <Ciano> la stampa è ok ma lo scanner non va proprio
[15:57] <Carlin0> http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?oid=209706&infoType=Downloads&platform=OSF_O_LINUX
[15:57] <Ciano> che devo fare? sono un tantino nuovo in ubuntu
[15:58] <Ciano> ok provo installare
[16:02] <Ciano> macche non riesco
[16:02] <Ciano> me la stampa funziona significa che il driver c'è già no?
[16:05] <akis24> Ciano: scaricati la versione adatta al tuo sistema .deb 64 oppure 32 bit e poi cliccaci sopra http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=IT&CN2=&DSCMI=28467&DSCCHK=d0032c3f92a8d5fae2d0d5de9ca7d53cd6a3c315
[16:05] <Ciano> l'ho fatto akis ho scaricato pure
[16:06] <Ciano> sta nella cartella scaricati
[16:06] <Ciano> ma non succede niente non vedo eseguibili
[16:07] <akis24> Ciano: cliccaci sopra e basta non ci sono esegubili su ubuntu
[16:08] <Ciano> porcamiseria...
[16:09] <sta_> chmod +x
[16:10] <Ciano> simple scan dove c'è sorgente aquisizione non ci sta na cippa
[16:10] <Ciano> li lancio tutti?
[16:11] <akis24> Ciano: e cosa sono tutti ?
[16:11] <Ciano> ho scompattato il file dei driver che mi hai indicato e ce ne sono un sacco li dentro
[16:12] <akis24> ciano non devi scompattare nulla devi solo installare il file.deb
[16:12] <Ciano> provo
[16:12] <akis24> Ciano: sudo apt-get install gdebi dal terminale
[16:13] <akis24> Ciano: sai cosa è il terminale ?
[16:13] <Ciano> so che si apre con cont alt T
[16:14] <akis24> aprilo allora e copia e incolla quel comando ti chiedera' la password anche se non la vedi scrivila
[16:14] <Maverick82> salve...ho bisogno di aiuto circa l'installazione di ubuntu 14.04 su un asus x59sl
[16:15] <Carlin0> !installazione | Maverick82
[16:15] <ubot-it> Maverick82: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione | Per installazione grafica http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/Grafica | Si consiglia la visione della guida ufficiale in inglese http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download
[16:16] <Ciano> niente non vede la sorgente di acquisizione
[16:17] <Ciano> askis ho fatto dal terminale
[16:17] <Ciano> e ha scritto un sacco di robba
[16:18] <Ciano> ma lo scanner è come prima
[16:18] <Ciano> provo eì areinstallare?
[16:19] <Ciano> akis è andato via?
[16:44] <calamaro> non so come mai ma la scheda audio (installata da poco) non funziona... driver? settaggi particolari? mi servirebbe una mano :)
[16:44] <krabador> calamaro, terminale
[16:44] <krabador> calamaro, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[16:44] <krabador> calamaro, aplay -l | pastebinit
[16:44] <calamaro> krabador, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13348631/
[16:45] <calamaro> krabador, così a occhio dovrebbe essere la "0"...
[16:45] <krabador> lsusb | pastebinit
[16:45] <krabador> lspci | pastebinit
[16:46] <calamaro> krabador, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13348659/
[16:46] <calamaro> krabador, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13348665/
[16:48] <krabador> calamaro, cat /proc/asound/card*/id
[16:49] <krabador> calamaro, cat /proc/asound/card*/id | pastebinit
[16:49] <krabador> solo il secondo
[16:49] <calamaro> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13348742/ krabador
[16:50] <krabador> calamaro, che ubuntu?
[16:50] <calamaro> 14.04
[16:51] <krabador> calamaro, alsamixer
[16:51] <krabador> calamaro, con f6 selezioni la scheda
[16:51] <krabador> con f3 ed f4 uscite ed ingressi
[16:51] <krabador> controlla che non ci siano delle M
[16:51] <krabador> in giro per i vari valori
[16:51] <calamaro> krabador, nessun m
[16:51] <krabador> calamaro, fa uno screenshot di f3 ed f4
[16:52] <krabador> della scheda
[16:52] <krabador> !image | ca
[16:52] <ubot-it> ca: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[16:52] <krabador> !image | calamaro
[16:52] <ubot-it> calamaro: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[16:53] <calamaro> krabador, http://ibin.co/2N6vYrmkzjwm
[16:54] <Ciano> qualcuno mi puo aiutare pls
[16:54] <calamaro> krabador, f3 ed f4 non sortiscono nulla
[16:54] <calamaro> cambia solo la schermata di alsamixer
[16:54] <Ciano> non riesco far vedere lo scanner a SIMPLESCAN
[16:55] <Ciano> akis24?
[16:55] <akis24> Ciano: installalo http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/du/02/DriverDownloadInfo.do?LG2=IT&CN2=&DSCMI=42015&DSCCHK=ad7e7b6a2801bd144548c442048f0e99cd0494ec
[16:58] <akis24> Ciano: una vola scaricato ci clicchi sopra col destro del mouse e sulla finestra che si apre " apri con installatore gdebi " e installi
[16:59] <Ciano> ho fatto ma sono solo file pdf
[17:01] <Ciano> non ce la faccio :(
[17:01] <akis24> Ciano: sei andato sul link che ti ho postato ? cliccato su " accetto " a fondo pagina ? e hai cliccato sui manuali..
[17:01] <akis24> Ciano: vai qui e scarica http://support.epson.net/linux/en/iscan_c.html il .deb adatto
[17:02] <Ciano> provo
[17:06] <Ciano> akis24 gdebi non vede il pachetto
[17:07] <Ciano> come mai?
[17:07] <akis24> Ciano: devi scompattarlo non è .deb alla fine
[17:07] <Ciano> ahh ecco
[17:09] <akis24> Ciano: una volta scompattato vai nella cartella e apri il terminale e poi dai ./install.sh
[17:09] <Ciano> si
[17:09] <akis24> Ciano: hai un file readme dentro la cartella leggilo ..
[17:09] <Ciano> ok
[17:11] <Ciano> non ci riesco
[17:11] <Ciano> mi dai il comando pls?
[17:12] <akis24> ciano se leggi qualche riga sopra .. hai la chat ./install.sh
[17:12] <Ciano> ho provato ma niente
[17:13] <Ciano> directory inesistente
[17:13] <akis24> ciano il terminale aprilo dentro la cartella e leggi il readme come ti ho indicato prima
[17:13] <akis24> tar xaf iscan-bundle-1.0.0.x86.deb.tar.gz
[17:13] <akis24> cd iscan-bundle-1.0.0.x86.deb
[17:13] <akis24> ./install.sh
[17:14] <Ciano> incollo tutto questo nel terminale?
[17:14] <Ciano> dice sempre ditectory inesistente akis24
[17:15] <akis24> Ciano: se sei dentro la cartella ti basta aprirci il terminale e dare ./install.sh se no segui come descritto sul readme
[17:17] <Ciano> niente non riesco akis24
[17:17] <akis24> ciano come e dove hai estratto il file ? lo sai ?
[17:18] <Ciano> l'ho estratto dento la certella dei scaricati
[17:18] <Ciano> e ho fatto tutto cio che mi hai detto
[17:19] <Ciano> ma non va na cippa
[17:19] <akis24> Ciano: bene allora entra nella cartella scaricati e apri il terminale li dentro
[17:19] <Ciano> gia fatto
[17:20] <akis24> Ciano: da terminale dai ls -a e metti su pastebin
[17:20] <akis24> !paste | Ciano
[17:20] <ubot-it> Ciano: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[17:21] <akis24> ciano copia e incolla il risultato del comando su pastebin e incolla il link della pagina che si apre qui in canale
[17:21] <Ciano> fatto lo vedi?
[17:22] <akis24> ciano prima clicca su paste e poi copia indirizzo della pagina web in canale qui
[17:24] <Ciano> akis24 lo vedi?
[17:24] <akis24> Ciano: il link dove è qui in canale no di certo ..
[17:25] <Ciano> akis24 va be mi gira perfino la testa allora smetto ci proviamo domani
[17:25] <akis24> come vuoi
[17:25] <Ciano> mille grazie per la tua cortesia
[17:26] <akis24> di nulla
[17:26] <Ciano> ciao carissimo
[17:26] <Ciano> a domani
[17:26] <akis24> ciao
[17:27] <calamaro> krabador, io come procedo?
[17:39] <calamaro> non so come mai ma la scheda audio (installata da poco) non funziona... driver? settaggi particolari? mi servirebbe una mano
[17:43] <cristian_c> calamaro: hai installato una scheda audio?
[17:43] <cristian_c> in che modo?
[17:44] <calamaro> cristian_c non personalmente. non sono capace
[17:44] <calamaro> ci ha pensato un mio amico del settore
[17:45] <akis24> calamaro: prova a dare sudo alsa force-reload e vedi che succede
[17:47] <calamaro> akis24 niente, ha rilasciato delle righe, ma l'audio non va
[17:48] <akis24> calamaro: dal gestore delle impostazioni audio alla scheda " uscita " posta una schermata vediamo
[17:50] <calamaro> akis24 http://ibin.co/2N7CaAvume4x
[17:50] <akis24> calamaro: sposta su uscita analogica e vedi se riparte l'audio
[17:51] <calamaro> akis24, no, sempre muto
[17:51] <akis24> calamaro: prova a riavviare
[17:51] <calamaro> ok
[17:51] <calamaro> a dopo
[17:54] <calamaro> akis24, uguale
[17:55] <akis24> calamaro: impostazioni audio se su analogico o no ?
[17:55] <calamaro> sì ho controllato
[17:55] <akis24> apri alsamixer e posta schermata adesso
[17:56] <calamaro> akis24, http://ibin.co/2N7Ecw5NUcgG
[17:58] <akis24> calamaro: usando f6 che opzioni hai ?
[17:58] <cristian_c> calamaro: allora, la scheda è interna?
[17:58] <cristian_c> calamaro: hai collegato delle casse?
[17:59] <calamaro> predefinita, la scheda 0 (crerdo quella nuova) e la scheda 1 (quella della scheda madre)... poi c'è "inserire nome del device"... Sì le casse sono inserite e accese, volume al massimo
[17:59] <calamaro> credo*
[18:00] <cristian_c> calamaro: dove le hai collegate?
[18:01] <cristian_c> calamaro: aplay -l | pastebinit
[18:01] <calamaro> Line In... linea di ingresso
[18:01] <calamaro> ma le ho provate un po' tutte...
[18:01] <cristian_c> calamaro: mmmm
[18:01] <calamaro> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13349943/
[18:03] <cristian_c> scheda 0: ICE1724 [ICEnsemble ICE1724], dispositivo 1: ICE1724 IEC958 [ICE1724 IEC958]
[18:03] <cristian_c> Sottoperiferiche: 1/1
[18:03] <cristian_c> questo è spdig
[18:03] <cristian_c> spdif
[18:04] <calamaro> cristian_c... ?
[18:04] <cristian_c> iec958
[18:05] <calamaro> per caso vanno in conflitto le due schede? cristian_c
[18:05] <cristian_c> !audio
[18:05] <ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Audio e http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Multimedia/Audio
[18:06] <akis24> calamaro: prova la terza voce e poi la quarta delle impostazioni audio le casse vanno su line out non in
[18:07] <cristian_c> calamaro: cat /proc/asound/cards | pastebinit
[18:07] <calamaro> cristian_c http://paste.ubuntu.com/13350089/
[18:07] <cristian_c> calamaro: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[18:07] <calamaro> akis24 "front" va bene?
[18:08] <calamaro> cristian_c Riproduzione in corso WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Frequenza 48000 Hz, Mono
[18:08] <akis24> calamaro: prova .. basta che sia out di solito connettore verde
[18:10] <calamaro> akis24, scusa, hai ragione, che stupido che sono... allora adesso si sente un gran fruscìo... forse è l'ingresso in alsamixer troppo alto...
[18:10] <akis24> calamaro: regola ..
[18:10] <cristian_c> calamaro: a parte che sta suonando in mono...
[18:11] <calamaro> akis24, tolto il fruscìo abbassando su alsamixer il "mic"... vlc ancora muto...
[18:11] <calamaro> però un piccolo passo avanti c'è stato :D
[18:12] <akis24> calamaro: allora intanto devi collegare le casse opportunamente ... poi il resto viene da se con qualche prova sulle impostazioni audio metti la spunta su " permetti volume oltre il 100/% "
[18:13] <calamaro> akis24, credo che ora le casse siano "opportunamente" collegate... visto che almeno l'ingresso (mic) interagisce...
[18:14] <calamaro> akis24, su impostazioni audio le ho scambiate tutte... niente, ancora muto
[18:14] <cristian_c> calamaro: allora vai su alsamixer
[18:15] <calamaro> su alsamixer, a parte "mic" è tutto alzato a palla, senza "m"
[18:15] <calamaro> cristian_c ci sono
[18:15] <cristian_c> calamaro: cat /proc/asound/modules | pastebinit
[18:15] <calamaro> cristian_c http://paste.ubuntu.com/13350296/
[18:17] <noteasy> salve non capisco per quale motivo avviando in live "15.10" non mi vede il dispositivo wi-fi ?
[18:19] <akis24> calamaro: motivo per cui hai messo quella scheda audio?
[18:19] <cristian_c> noteasy: magari facci vedere che dispositivo wifi hai....
[18:21] <noteasy> sorry eccolo https://www.asus.com/it/Networking/PCEAC68
[18:21] <calamaro> akis24, per metterne una un tantino meglio di quella integrata...
[18:21] <akis24> calamaro: mica tanto meglio è una vecchia scheda
[18:21] <cristian_c> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/798394
[18:22] <calamaro> akis24, ha comunque più ingressi di quella integrata...
[18:22] <cristian_c> calamaro: è una scheda di 10 anni fa quella 'tantino meglio'...
[18:22] <akis24> calamaro: come segnala cristian_c è presente un bug con quella scheda
[18:23] <cristian_c> calamaro: hai un pc del triassico, per dire una cosa del genere?
[18:23] <calamaro> cristian_c no... assemblato un annetto fa...
[18:23] <calamaro> poi se dentro ci sono i fossili... :D
[18:23] <cristian_c> calamaro: con pezzi di recupero?
[18:23] <akis24> calamaro: scheda usb giusto ?
[18:23] <cristian_c> akis24: è pci
[18:24] <akis24> ah
[18:24] <calamaro> cristian_c spero di no...
[18:24] <calamaro> akis24... no
[18:24] <akis24> calamaro: il consiglio è rimuoverla e usare l'integrata che di certo funziona
[18:25] <akis24> calamaro: per curiosita' fai vedere /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.
[18:25] <calamaro> akis24... ne ho un'altra a portata di mano... non so come descriverla... se quella può andare senza problemi potete dirmelo?
[18:25] <cristian_c> calamaro> akis24, ha comunque più ingressi di quella integrata...
[18:25] <cristian_c> calamaro: fatti un favore,..
[18:26] <calamaro> akis24, permesso negato
[18:26] <cristian_c> calamaro: prendi una scheda più 'moderna', tipo l'asus xonar nel caso fosse ben supportata
[18:26] <akis24> calamaro: non possiamo dirtelo cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf.
[18:26] <calamaro> cristian_c quella che ho qui è un asus usata...
[18:27] <cristian_c> calamaro: o cambia direttamente mobo o pc, che le schede audio integrate di oggi sono in grado di fare il loro dovere, non ci inventa nulla a livello base ormai....
[18:27] <cristian_c> *ci si
[18:27] <calamaro> akis24, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13350543/
[18:29] <akis24> calamaro: al tuo posto seguirei i consigli di cristian_c rimuovi quella scheda e se proprio vuoi prova con l'altra
[18:29] <giiovanni> salve a tutti ho un problema.io vorrei installare coolcam come faccio su ubuntu 15.10
[18:29] <cristian_c> noteasy: interessante, ma a cosa serve?
[18:29] <calamaro> va bene signori, proverò l'altra e alle peggio tornerò all'integrata... grazie :) gentilissimi come sempre
[18:29] <cristian_c> !info coolcam
[18:29] <ubot-it> Package coolcam does not exist in wily
[18:30] <calamaro> ciao
[18:30] <akis24> ciao
[18:30] <cristian_c> !chat | giovanni
[18:30] <ubot-it> giovanni: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[18:30] <cristian_c> !chat | giiovanni
[18:30] <ubot-it> giiovanni: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[18:30] <noteasy> ?? e una scheda wi-fi
[18:30] <akis24> giiovanni: non diamo supporto a software non presenti nei repo ufficiali
[18:30] <cristian_c> noteasy: ha tre antenne e uno strano supporto
[18:31] <cristian_c> e una specie di dissipatore enorme sulla dcheda
[18:31] <cristian_c> scheda
[18:31] <akis24> eh l'occhio vuole la sua parte .. si monetizza bene
[18:31] <giiovanni> ma vorrei capire ce modo di installare i fai che legge windows su ubuntu??
[18:33] <noteasy> XD cosi e piu tamarra =)
[18:35] <noteasy> anche se devo dire che funziona bene almeno su windows spero anche su ubuntu
[18:36] <cristian_c> noteasy: non so se l'hai installato ubuntunsuccessivamente
[18:37] <cristian_c> ma non si fanno acquisti azzardati, senza prima verificare la compatibilità
[18:38] <noteasy> io adesso utilizzo windows ma volevo cambiare e passare a ubuntu
[18:39] <cristian_c> noteasy: allora
[18:39] <noteasy> pero vedendo che in modalita live non me la vede la scheda wi-fi
[18:40] <cristian_c> noteasy: sei collegato via cavo da quel pc?
[18:40] <noteasy> no wi-fi
[18:40] <cristian_c> noteasy: ?
[18:40] <cristian_c> e come?
[18:41] <noteasy> ok asp io adesso sto su windows perchè se metto la usb con su ubuntu non mi prende la scheda wi-fi
[18:41] <cristian_c> noteasy: allora collegati via cavo da ubuntu
[18:42] <cristian_c> noteasy: e riapri la chat da lì
[18:44] <noteasy> ok quindi non ce un comando che mi salvi da questo problema?
[18:46] <cristian_c> noteasy: ma hai capito quello cje ho detto?
[18:46] <cristian_c> noteasy: è necessario che tu ti colleghi da ubuntu
[18:46] <cristian_c> per poterlo affrontare
[18:47] <noteasy> ok capito
[18:50] <Alex89> Buonasera a tutti, ho un problema con l'installazione di Ubuntu Mate. Al momento di scegliere la partizione in cui installare il SO mi dice che non è stato trovato nessun sistema di root o qualcosa di simile
[18:51] <cristian_c> Alex89: ma hai scelto il partizionamento manuale?
[18:52] <Alex89> Sì, perché al momento dell'installazione non c'è l'opzione "Installa insieme a Windows" come mi era successo qualche tempo fa
[18:52] <Alex89> Mi esce solo "Cancella il disco"
[18:52] <Alex89> Oppure il partizionamento manuale
[18:55] <cristian_c> Alex89: ma in live va, giusto?
[18:55] <Alex89> Sì ora sono in versione di prova
[18:55] <cristian_c> e hai impostato uefi o legacy?
[18:55] <Alex89> Non so
[18:56] <cristian_c> Alex89: posta una schermata di gparted
[18:56] <cristian_c> !image | Alex89
[18:56] <ubot-it> Alex89: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[18:56] <Alex89> Ehm me lo spieghi passo passo?
[18:56] <cristian_c> Alex89: l'impostazione su secure boot e uefi, la trovi nel bios
[18:57] <cristian_c> Alex89: molto semplicemente, apri gparted
[18:57] <Alex89> Capito, quindi devo riavviarlo per vedere, giusto?
[18:57] <cristian_c> dalla versione di prova
[18:57] <cristian_c> Alex89: sì, ma aspetta
[18:57] <cristian_c> prima posta la schermata
[18:58] <Alex89> Non trovo gparted
[18:58] <cristian_c> Alex89: icona della dash in alto a sinistra
[18:58] <cristian_c> clic e poi digiti : 'gparted'
[18:59] <Alex89> okay
[18:59] <Alex89> ci sono
[18:59] <cristian_c> !image | Alex89
[18:59] <ubot-it> Alex89: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[19:01] <Alex89> http://imgur.com/a/N8sDA
[19:03] <cristian_c> Alex89: l'hai partizionato tu il disco?
[19:03] <Alex89> No era già così
[19:04] <cristian_c> Alex89: hai installato tu windows?
[19:04] <cristian_c> Alex89: apri un terminale e digita: sudo parted -l
[19:04] <cristian_c> !paste | Alex89
[19:04] <ubot-it> Alex89: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[19:05] <Alex89> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13351197/
[19:05] <cristian_c> sono tutte ntfs le partizioni, non c'è neanche una fat
[19:06] <Alex89> Un mese fa ho dovuto ripristinare il pc usando i dischi di ripristino
[19:06] <Alex89> Quindi è proprio come all'acquisto
[19:06] <cristian_c> Partition Table: msdos
[19:07] <cristian_c> Alex89: che pc è?
[19:07] <Alex89> Hp Pavilion g
[19:07] <cristian_c> e che windows monta?
[19:07] <cristian_c> un portatile, suppongo
[19:07] <Alex89> Il 10
[19:07] <Alex89> Sì
[19:07] <cristian_c> Alex89: allora, beh, l'hai installato tu, win 10
[19:08] <Alex89> Quello sì
[19:08] <Alex89> Ma preinstallato c'era il 7
[19:08] <cristian_c> a meno che non sia un pc nuovo , ma non essendo gpt la tabella...
[19:08] <Alex89> Ho solo eseguito l'aggiornamento, nulla di più
[19:08] <cristian_c> Alex89: è possibile
[19:09] <cristian_c> che ubuntu non riconosca ancora i win 10, perché troppo 'giovani'
[19:09] <Alex89> Dava lo stesso problema anche con il 7
[19:09] <cristian_c> all'inizio della fase d'installazione
[19:09] <cristian_c> Alex89: allora è il partizionamento
[19:10] <cristian_c> Alex89: è un pc venduto con uefi?
[19:10] <Alex89> Non te lo so dire
[19:10] <cristian_c> Alex89: hai il manuale del pc
[19:10] <cristian_c> ?
[19:11] <cristian_c> Alex89: mi sono accorto di una cosa
[19:12] <cristian_c> Alex89: che spiega l'assenza dell'opzione 'installa accanto a windows'
[19:12] <cristian_c> Alex89: la tabella del disco è msdos come puoi vedere , giusto?
[19:13] <cristian_c> Alex89: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13351197/
[19:49] <niconico> ciao ragazzi! con il comando: rfkill list
[19:49] <niconico> mi esce: 0: ideapad_wlan: Wireless LAN
[19:49] <niconico> Soft blocked: no
[19:49] <niconico> Hard blocked: no
[19:49] <niconico> 1: phy0: Wireless LAN
[19:49] <niconico> Soft blocked: no
[19:49] <niconico> Hard blocked: no
[19:51] <cristian_c> !paste | niconico
[19:51] <ubot-it> niconico: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[19:52] <niconico> scusate
[19:52] <niconico> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13351657/
[19:52] <niconico> mi esce questo dal comando, e comunque non mi va il wireless
[19:52] <cristian_c> niconico: si possono dedurre due cose
[19:53] <cristian_c> 1) hai una scheda broadcom
[19:53] <cristian_c> 2) a livello di switch hardware (leggasi radio wireless) è «tutt'appost»
[19:55] <niconico> Allora c'è una cosa. Ho spento una volta dallo switch e alla riaccensione niente più <<tutt'appost>>
[19:55] <niconico> e ho anche la broadcom, si
[19:56] <niconico> ma mi funzionava bene con un driver alternativo supportato
[19:56] <ilmarce> Salve a tutti
[19:57] <niconico> Ho provato da bios già, ad accendere e spegnere il wifi. Ma niente
[19:57] <ilmarce> come posso configurare il mio telecomando ad infrarossi con lirc?
[19:58] <cristian_c> niconico: 'un driver alternativo supportato' <- che driver?
[19:58] <cristian_c> niconico: sei in dual boot?
[19:59] <cristian_c> ilmarce: allora
[19:59] <cristian_c> !irda
[19:59] <ubot-it> infrarosso is http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviSenzaFili
[19:59] <cristian_c> !lirc
[19:59] <ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'lirc'
[19:59] <cristian_c> !info lirc
[19:59] <ubot-it> lirc (source: lirc): infra-red remote control support. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9.0-0ubuntu5 (wily), package size 361 kB, installed size 2291 kB
[20:00] <cristian_c> ilmarce: poi ovviamente la configurazione specifica del telecomando, dipende dal telecomando stesso
[20:17] <ilmarce> cristian_c non ho capito tanto scusa
[20:19] <cristian_c> ilm
[20:20] <cristian_c> è uscito....
[20:24] <niconico> cristian_c: è il driver preso automaticamente dal gestore di soft. e agg.
[20:25] <niconico> Sempre funzionato e solo ora dopo aver spento con l'interrutore non mi funziona più
[20:26] <niconico> cristian_c: questo è firmware-b43
[20:27] <niconico> potrei provare a rimuoverlo da terminale e rimetterlo?
[20:30] <emy> ciao a tutti
[20:30] <emy> mi servirebbe aiuto
[20:31] <emy> c e qualcuno?
[20:41] <emy> ciao
[20:49] <cristian_c> niconico: non ricevo privati
[20:49] <cristian_c> niconico: prova a disabilitarlo
[20:50] <wilde> buonasera
[20:50] <cristian_c> wilde: va bene la webcam?
[20:50] <cristian_c> facetime
[20:51] <wilde> io non riesco a procedere con l'installazione di drupal.dopo aver installato la lamp non riesco a procedere con mysql -uroot -p
[20:51] <wilde> si,la cam va bene :)
[20:52] <wilde> cristian,mi aiuti tu?
[20:56] <wilde> nessuno mi aiuta a procedere?
[20:57] <wilde> dopo l'inserimento della password mi nega l'accesso,mi dice using YES e nemmeno gli piace
[20:58] <cristian_c> !info drupal
[20:58] <ubot-it> Package drupal does not exist in wily
[20:58] <cristian_c> !aiuto | wilde
[20:58] <ubot-it> wilde: per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)
[20:58] <wilde> l'ho detto
[20:59] <cristian_c> wilde: non credo che l'installazione di drupal sia oggetto di questo canale
[20:59] <wilde> dopo installazione Lamp al comando mysql -uroot -p mi nega l'accesso.
[20:59] <cristian_c> wilde: anche perché non abbiamo la minima idea di quali istruzioni tu stia seguendo
[21:00] <wilde> va bene, ricerco la guida,era un sito inglese,just a moment
[21:00] <cristian_c> !mysql | wilde
[21:00] <ubot-it> wilde: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Server/MySql
[21:00] <cristian_c> wilde: eh. lo sai che qui le guide a risorse esterne non sono supportate...
[21:01] <cristian_c> risorse esterne a ubuntu
[21:01] <wilde> http://www.wdtutorials.com/how-to-install-drupal-8-linux-drupal-8-tutorial-2-article-video#.Vk44oYQy1Ya
[21:01] <wilde> va bene,lasciamo perdere drupal
[21:02] <wilde> intanto almeno il database?
[21:02] <wilde> sono ferma li
[21:02] <wilde> ho cercato una soluzione qui
[21:02] <wilde> ma ho paura di fare tropi smanettamenti
[21:03] <wilde> mesi fa ho interrotto questa cosa di drupal,perchè il temrinale mi restituiva delle cose assurde assai
[21:04] <wilde> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1836919
[21:05] <wilde> il fatto è che mi chiede una password quando con l'installazione della lamp non me la ha chiesta
[21:05] <wilde> non vorrei fosse la password che avevo messo in precedenza
[21:05] <wilde> avevo installato drupal 7
[21:06] <wilde> cristian,ti stai consultando con i vertici?
[21:07] <wilde> va bene,vado con questa che mi ha fornito ubot.it
[21:10] <wilde> misql admin non me lo insalla
[21:10] <wilde> mysql
[21:10] <wilde> dice impossibile trovare il pacchetto
[21:12] <wilde> mi abbandonate?
[21:15] <wilde> Che significa risorse esterne a ubuntu?Io su ubuntu voglio fare un installazione,se no il programma me lo compravo bello e pronto e lo schiaffavo su winz
[21:18] <wilde> neanche la password mi fa reimpostare
[21:19] <wilde> qui c'è supporto solo per far funzionare linux su una macchina?
[21:44] <niconico> cristian_c: gia ho provato a disabilitare
[21:52] <niconico> niente da fare
[21:55] <cristian_c> niconico: sempre da driver aggiuntivi?
[22:00] <gigirock> Our hearts and thoughts are with our community members, friends and families around the world. We wish peace to all of you.
[22:00] <niconico> cristian_c: si
[22:25] <cristian_c> niconico: dpkg -l | grep b43
[22:38] <niconico> non succede niente
[22:39] <neramarea> 'sera. aiuto. sto tentando di compilare amule-adunanza, ma ho questo problema http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13354124/
[22:39] <gigirock> niconico, non hai nessun b43 qualcosa nei driver
[22:41] <neramarea> e questo è il log: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13354148/
[22:41] <gigirock> neramarea, perche' devi compilare ?
[22:41] <niconico> gigirock: cosa?
[22:41] <neramarea> gigirock la versione dei repo ha seri problemi...
[22:42] <gigirock> niconico, stai tentando di far funzionare il wifi ?
[22:42] <neramarea> almeno ultimamente. e sto tentando questa via...
[22:42] <gigirock> neramarea, ma amule in se e' un po' abbandonato
[22:42] <neramarea> eh, ce lo so
[22:42] <gigirock> e allora non usarlo...
[22:43] <darionz> salve ragazzi posso chiedere una info?
[22:43] <gigirock> !domanda
[22:43] <ubot-it> per cortesia non chiedere il permesso di chiedere, semplicemente formula la domanda (tutta su una riga, in modo tale che gli altri possano leggerla e seguirla con facilità). Se qualcuno conosce la risposta ti risponderà :-)
[22:44] <neramarea> alternative valide non ce n'è... e poi sono affezionato al muletto... inoltre non capisco perchè sul pc della mia ragazza (ubuntu 14.04.2) funziona tutto alla perfezione, e sul mio (14.04.3 fresco di installazione pulita) non vuol saperne...
[22:44] <neramarea> comunque, la mia domanda è: che diamine ha gcc che non va???
[22:44] <darionz> ho creato una usb bootable con unetbootin ma al termine (della creazione della pennetta bootable) mi compare un messaggio il quale dice che unetbootin non è stato installato correttamente ma conclude la procedura. quando avvio da bios la usb mi dice che manca il bootloader! help?
[22:45] <gigirock> neramarea, vuoi mettere come e' carina la tua ragazza in confronto a te ?
[22:45] <neramarea> ;-)
[22:45] <gigirock> darionz, ma la chiavina la fai da win o da ubuntu ?
[22:45] <darionz> da win7
[22:45] <gigirock> allora aspe devi usare questo....
[22:46] <niconico> darionz: usa lili
[22:46] <cristian_c> !chat | neramarea:
[22:46] <ubot-it> neramarea:: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[22:46] <darionz> è un programma freeware?
[22:46] <cristian_c> niconico:
[22:46] <gigirock> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ darionz
[22:47] <niconico> darionz: certo
[22:47] <neramarea> cristian_c prenditela con gigirock... ;-) io ho un problema con gcc...
[22:47] <cristian_c> niconico: quindi, che driver hai installato?
[22:47] <darionz> grazie ninonico e gigirock.... adesso ci provo
[22:47] <niconico> il b43 sempre, l'unico che sempre ha funzionato
[22:47] <cristian_c> neramarea: se devi compilare sorgenti, non è questo il posto giusto per parlarne
[22:48] <niconico> darionz: linux live usb creator
[22:48] <gigirock> neramarea, vediamo sto config.loh
[22:48] <gigirock> neramarea, vediamo sto config.log
[22:48] <cristian_c> neramarea: ah, ti informo che tommy90 ieri sera ha scalzato il tuo record di 32 ppa. Lui ha fatto di meglio, ovvero 42 ppa singoli installati contemporaneamente
[22:49] <neramarea> i miei erano 100 tondi tondi
[22:49] <cristian_c> !paste | niconico
[22:49] <ubot-it> niconico: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[22:49] <cristian_c> niconico: coaì vediamo
[22:49] <neramarea> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13354148/ gigirock
[22:49] <cristian_c> s
[22:49] <niconico> che c'è?
[22:50] <cristian_c> gigirock: neramarea gentilmente, spostatevi in -chat, o altrove
[22:50] <darionz> scusate come persistenza cosa devo mettere? posso lasciare 0?
[22:50] <neramarea> comandisì, comandi.
[22:50] <cristian_c> niconico: incolla su pastebin la risposta al comando, qualunque essa sia
[22:51] <niconico> cristian_c: nessuna
[22:51] <darionz> quando premo il fulmine mi dice "conferma i passi da 1 a 3" .... nel passaggio 1 semaforo rosso .... passaggio 2 verde... passaggio 3 arancione
[22:52] <gigirock> darionz, si lascia 0
[22:52] <darionz> sorry passaggio 3 anche rosso
[22:52] <darionz> la pennetta è ntfs va bene, no?
[22:52] <cristian_c> niconico: quindi i driver non sono installati...
[22:52] <cristian_c> i b43
[22:52] <gigirock> darionz, sarebbe meglio fat32
[22:53] <darionz> e poi mi dice che la versione di linux non è tra quelle compatibili... sto cercando di installare la 15.10 ma dopo averla caricata mi compare la 15.04
[22:53] <darionz> provo fat32
[22:54] <niconico> ><
[22:55] <cristian_c> niconico: quindi, quali driver hai attualmente installato?
[22:55] <cristian_c> niconico: puoi postare una schermata di driver aggiuntivi?
[23:00] <darionz> ragazzi provo
[23:00] <darionz> torno a farvi sapere grazie mille
[23:20] <niconico> cristian_c: mi puoi dire di nuovo la riga di codice "dpkg"?
[23:21] <niconico> sto usando il driver bcmwl
[23:21] <cristian_c> niconico: dpkg -l | grep b43
[23:21] <cristian_c> !broadcom
[23:21] <ubot-it> Dispositivi senza fili Broadcom http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviSenzaFili/Broadcom
[23:22] <cristian_c> peraltro non listato
[23:22] <cristian_c> niconico: lshw -C network | pastebinit
[23:25] <niconico> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13354694/
[23:28] <cristian_c> niconico: hai insallato i driver sta
[23:28] <cristian_c> niconico: digita anche l'ultimo comando che ho indicato
[23:38] <niconico> fatto
[23:39] <cristian_c> niconico: e possibilmente, incolla il link risultante
[23:39] <niconico> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13354974/
[23:40] <cristian_c> product: BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY
[23:40] <cristian_c> e confermo che stai utilizzando i driver sta
[23:41] <niconico> si
[23:42] <cristian_c> niconico: e l'interfaccia wifi risulta disabilitata
[23:42] <niconico> cristian_c: e dove?
[23:42] <cristian_c> niconico: installa i b43, molto semplicemente
[23:43] <cristian_c> network DISABLED
[23:43] <niconico> si, intendevo da dove
[23:44] <cristian_c> wl (proprietari) per chip con id: BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4313, BCM43142, BCM4321, BCM4322, BCM43224, BCM43225, BCM43227 e BCM43228.
[23:44] <cristian_c> b43 (open-source) per chip con id: BCM4306 (rev 03), BCM4309, BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4318, BCM4322, BCM4331, BCM43224 e BCM43225
[23:44] <cristian_c> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviSenzaFili/Broadcom#Installare_i_driver_open_source_b43.2Fb43legacy_con_connessione_internet
[23:45] <cristian_c> niconico: che ubuntu hai?
[23:46] <cristian_c> Per b43 installare il pacchetto firmware-b43-installer
[23:48] <niconico> cristian_c: non avevo letto il 4312 nei b43
[23:48] <cristian_c> eppure è scritto
[23:48] <cristian_c> e tu stesso avevi affermato di averli installati
[23:49] <niconico> avevo confuso con il wl
[23:49] <cristian_c> niconico: ma quale ubuntu hai?
[23:49] <niconico> perchè quello aveo e quello funzianava da sempre
[23:49] <niconico> lubuntu 14.04 lts
[23:49] <cristian_c> In Ubuntu 12.04 per LP-PHY (ad esempio BCM4312) installare il pacchetto firmware-b43-lpphy-installer
[23:49] <cristian_c> quindi questo non ti serve
[23:50] <niconico> c'è bisogno del riavvio?
[23:50] <cristian_c> niconico: e.....
[23:50] <cristian_c> In Ubuntu 14.04 assicurarsi di aver rimosso il pacchetto bcmwl-kernel-source digitando:
[23:50] <niconico> gia fatto
[23:50] <niconico> ho letto il wiki già
[23:51] <cristian_c> niconico: hai dato apt-get update come prima cosa?
[23:51] <niconico> si
[23:51] <cristian_c> niconico: se ai fatto tutto, riavvia
[23:51] <cristian_c> il pc
[23:51] <niconico> ok
[23:51] <cristian_c> *hai
[23:54] <niconico> cristian_c: nada
[23:54] <cristian_c> niconico: lshw -C network
[23:55] <niconico> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13355320/
[23:56] <niconico> ancora disabilitata
[23:56] <cristian_c> configuration: driver=b43-pci-bridge latency=0
[23:56] <cristian_c> niconico: ehhhmmm, perché sei root?
[23:57] <niconico> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13355356/
[23:57] <neramarea> ...so che molti faranno la ola, ma... è sopravvenuto un problema strano: non riesco ad aggiungere ppa esterni: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13355340/
[23:57] <neramarea> e questo accade per qualunque ppa
[23:58] <cristian_c> neramarea: e ce lo dici anche=
[23:58] <cristian_c> neramarea: semplicemente, il tuo pc si rifiuta di farlo
[23:58] <neramarea> cristian_c, mi serve ffmpeg e nei repo non c'è più...
[23:58] <cristian_c> neramarea: balle
[23:58] <cristian_c> è tornato con la 15.04
[23:58] <neramarea> ?
[23:58] <neramarea> ma io ho la 14.04
[23:59] <cristian_c> neramarea: e fino alla 14.10 è stato sostituito da avconv
[23:59] <cristian_c> un fork
[23:59] <cristian_c> !info avconv
[23:59] <ubot-it> Package avconv does not exist in wily
[23:59] <cristian_c> eh, beh
[23:59] <neramarea> ah, ok... provvedo. ma riguardo all'impossibilità di aggiungere, che diamine è successo?
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-es
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[06:06] <Javeze> alguien vive?
[11:53] <noelia> Hola a todos/as
[12:07] <noelia> No puedo resolver las dependencias de wine
[12:07] <noelia> Tengo paquetes rotos
[12:32] <noelia> Hola
[17:25] <amundsen> hola
[17:26] <amundsen> alguien sabe que es eso de que ubuntu va a cambiar apt-get por snappy en la proxima version?
[17:26] <Xavier89> Si, porque se quieren independizar
[17:26] <Xavier89> como DELLtra
[17:28] <Souchiro> por eso ubuntu va de mal en peor xD
[17:28] <Souchiro> seria mejor como catalunia
[17:28] <Souchiro> pobre DELLtra xD
[17:28] <Xavier89> jajaja
[17:29] <Souchiro> gracias a goku que deje ubuntu de lado
[17:29] <Souchiro> lol
[17:29] <DELLtra> Xavier89, o/
[17:29] <Xavier89> Souchiro, y que usas?
[17:29] <Xavier89> debian?
[17:29] <Souchiro> see, goku, si he de creer en alguien o algo que no existe ni existira, mejor que sea Goku xD
[17:30] <DELLtra> uhm...
[17:30] <DELLtra> yo que Xavier89 ?
[17:30] <Souchiro> o.o
[17:30] <Xavier89> que te independizaste
[17:30] <Xavier89> usaste ubuntu
[17:30] <Xavier89> luego debian con openbox
[17:30] <Souchiro> yo uso debian con mate
[17:30] <Souchiro> queria probar gentoo, pero da weba compilar todo
[17:30] <Xavier89> igual que yo
[17:30] <Xavier89> pero dice DELLtra que mate es una mierda
[17:31] <Souchiro> gnome3 es una mierda
[17:31] <Souchiro> parece entorno para tablet
[17:31] <Xavier89> si
[17:31] <Xavier89> y de 64 bits no Souchiro ?
[17:31] <Souchiro> y el uniti esta peor
[17:31] <Souchiro> unity*
[17:31] <Xavier89> si pero el pelado de birras usa ubuntu
[17:31] <Xavier89> xD
[17:31] <Souchiro> jajajaja
[17:32] <Xavier89> pobre niko
[17:32] <Xavier89> es developer de canonical
[17:32] <Xavier89> como para que estemos hablando mal de ubuntu
[17:32] <Xavier89> lol
[17:32] <Souchiro> ps ubuntu estaba bien hasta la version 11.04 creo
[17:32] <Xavier89> si
[17:32] <Souchiro> metio unity y se fue
[17:32] <Xavier89> a mi me daba errores en selinux
[17:33] <Souchiro> y si uso 64 bits
[17:33] <el4tomo> Y por qué no usar una versión de ubuntu pero con otro entorno gráfico.
[17:34] <Xavier89> esta ubuntu mate
[17:34] <Xavier89> safa
[17:34] <Souchiro> porque suele dañarse tras la actualizacion
[17:34] <Souchiro> me pasaba seguido con los drivers de nvidia
[17:34] <Xavier89> con los privativos
[17:35] <Xavier89> a mi me pasa con cualquier distro que nouveau se tilda
[17:35] <Xavier89> nose si a alguien le paso
[17:36] <Souchiro> os[Linux 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64] distro[Debian 8.1] cpu[8 x AMD FX(tm)-8350 Eight-Core Processor (AuthetiicAMD) @ 4.01GHz] mem[Physical: 15.6GB, 64.5% free] disk[Total: 6.6TB, 7.5% free] video[NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB1: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia]
[17:36] <Souchiro> a mi no
[17:36] <Souchiro> sera porque instalo los ,run
[17:37] <Xavier89> porque tenes otro modelo de nvidia
[17:37] <Xavier89> yo uso 7025
[17:37] <lunix> hola una pregunta como formateo una usb en xubuntu
[17:38] <DELLtra> Souchiro, pobre por que ?
[17:38] <el4tomo> puede usar el comando mkfs.fat
[17:38] <lunix> hay otro modo mas facil?
[17:38] <Souchiro> o usar la utilidad de discos que traiga xubuntu
[17:38] <DELLtra> en que sentido?
[17:39] <Souchiro> o usar tambien el gparted
[17:39] <lunix> no tienne la utilidad de discos
[17:39] <Xavier89> mira amundsen
[17:39] <Xavier89> pasate a debian
[17:39] <Xavier89> ubuntu es para principiantes
[17:40] <el4tomo> Afirmar que ubuntu es para principiantes es una falacia
[17:40] <el4tomo> La distro no tiene nada que ver con el conocimiento que posea el usuario
[17:41] <Xavier89> si tiene que ver, porque su instalacion es todo siguiente siguiente
[17:41] <Xavier89> y no te deja ninguna enseñanza
[17:41] <Xavier89> y hasta instala cosas que ni deseas
[17:41] <el4tomo> En debian es prácticamente igual
[17:41] <Xavier89> en netinst no
[17:41] <el4tomo> Mi amigo al final de cuentas es lo mismo
[17:41] <DELLtra> si el cambio de apt-get a snappy muestra significa una mejora seria bueno. caso contrario seria retroceder .. me parece que si realiza un cambio es para una mejora no creo que sea por simplemente independizar
[17:41] <Xavier89> bueno mas o menos
[17:42] <el4tomo> Tampoco es que estás instalando arch
[17:42] <Xavier89> yo tengo arch
[17:42] <Xavier89> uso las 2
[17:42] <el4tomo> Arch es muy bueno
[17:42] <el4tomo> Yo lo uso en producción
[17:42] <Xavier89> si esta bueno
[17:42] <Xavier89> y virtualize gentoo
[17:42] <Xavier89> pero todavia no instale las x
[17:44] <Souchiro> o.o
[17:44] <Xavier89> Souchiro, que pasa my friend?
[17:44] <Souchiro> ps nada escuchando algo de musica mientras trabajo
[17:45] <Xavier89> jajaja
[17:45] <Souchiro> lunix, instala gparted entonces
[17:45] <Xavier89> DELLtra, me acaba de confesar su homosexualidad
[17:45] <Xavier89> y yo le respondi
[17:45] <Xavier89> Si decidiste ser un pepele, quien soy yo para juzgarte?
[17:45] <Xavier89> xD
[17:45] <Souchiro> lol
[17:45] <lunix> hola una pregunta como formateo una usb en xubuntu
[17:45] <Xavier89> lunix, gparted o mkfs
[17:46] <Xavier89> y bueno, cosas de la vida
[17:46] <Xavier89> hasta hace poco pateaba para un lado
[17:46] <Xavier89> hoy para otro
[17:46] <Xavier89> es asi
[17:46] <el4tomo> qué cliente de irc usan ustedes
[17:46] <Xavier89> hexchat
[17:47] <el4tomo> y cómo le haces para que revise la ortografía
[17:47] <Xavier89> verificacion ortigrafica'
[17:48] <Xavier89> nose si tiene nunca me fije
[17:48] <el4tomo> ah...
[17:48] <el4tomo> ok
[17:48] <Souchiro> o.o
[17:48] <Souchiro> yo aun sigo en xchat
[17:48] <Souchiro> xD
[17:48] <Xavier89> es igual
[17:48] <Xavier89> pero esta descontinuado
[17:48] <Xavier89> Souchiro, lo bueno de arch, es aur que tiene de todo
[17:48] <Xavier89> y no hay necesidad de agregar una repo externa
[17:48] <Xavier89> o bajar un paquete especifico
[17:50] <Souchiro> o.o
[17:52] <DELLtra> Xavier89, ?? podes explicarme donde acepto tal cosa ?
[17:52] <DELLtra> ??
[17:52] <Xavier89> que aceptas que tio?
[17:53] <DELLtra> quiza puedes poner el log
[17:53] <Souchiro> no me guista arch porque = se jode tras cada actualizacion xD
[17:53] <Xavier89> seguro se jode?
[17:53] <Xavier89> a mi no se me jodio
[17:53] <Xavier89> DELLtra, calma, es broma tio
[17:53] <Xavier89> xD
[17:53] <Souchiro> pero no total, es algo de arreglar manualmente
[17:53] <Souchiro> = que ubuntu en ese aspecto
[17:54] <Souchiro> pero de ahi en fuera esta bien
[17:54] <DELLtra> bromea con algo que es cierto no des por realizado algo que no se ha dado
[17:54] <Xavier89> jajajajaj
[17:55] <Souchiro> = sigo esperando a probar el ubuntu phone pero estan mas muertos que nada
[17:55] <Xavier89> primero hay que ver si hay roms
[17:55] <Souchiro> parece que tendre que usar el cyannogenmod
[17:56] <Souchiro> roms? la ultima ves nomas habian para 3 celulares
[17:56] <Xavier89> para nexus
[17:56] <Xavier89> nada mas
[17:59] <Souchiro> jajaja
[17:59] <Souchiro> no ps si
[17:59] <Souchiro> de 3 que tenian se quedaron en 1
[17:59] <Souchiro> xD
[18:02] <Souchiro> pero bueno
[18:11] <Souchiro> mem[Physical: 15.6GB, 43.6% free - Swap: 2.0GB, 99.9% free]
[18:59] <successus> salud
[19:31] <habitat> como instalar flash player para ubuntu 15.10
[19:35] <successus> salud, hasta otro rato o/
[20:11] <el4tomo> habitat durante la instalación de ubuntu el te pregunta si quieres instalar los complementos privativos o de licencia no libre, de casualidad no marcaste la casilla.
[20:12] <el4tomo> Porque en otro caso tendrías que instalar el paquete flashplugin-nonfree
[20:54] <cousteau> el4tomo, no era flashplugin-installer?
[21:12] <habitat> es correcto al parecer ya quedo con: flashplugin-installer
[21:22] <KzadorDmalditos> hola?
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2024-05-13T22:11:29.066199
| 2015-11-19T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-us-wi
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[20:12] <ronoc_work> NERD-> https://twitter.com/anthonyrhook/status/667429573341093888
[20:19] <lostatwork> nothing to be ashamed about IRC is still the best form of real time communication
[20:28] <mikeputnam> really good / approachable read on getting the most out of `traceroute` https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog45/presentations/Sunday/RAS_traceroute_N45.pdf
[20:37] <mikeputnam> hmm yes. i rather think of daily irc use as something to boast about, not be ashamed of.
[20:40] <mikeputnam> i love textmode everything. i feel like i'm part of the unix that started it all. sort of a living history lesson.
[20:42] <mikeputnam> (even though i'm using linux majority of the time)
[20:42] <mikeputnam> the BSD's are truer to the original unix tenets
[20:42] <mikeputnam> but it's all good
[20:53] <tsimonq2> ronoc_work: ?
[20:54] <ronoc_work> Its all just senseless teasing folks
[20:55] <tsimonq2> oh XD
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2015-11-19-#juju
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[03:46] <lamont> lets say I have juju 1.24.7-0ubuntu1~14.04.1, and I want to juju deploy local:xenial/foo... is there some obvious reason that the service winds up in this state:
[03:46] <lamont> service-status:
[03:46] <lamont> current: unknown
[03:46] <lamont> message: Waiting for agent initialization to finish
[03:46] <lamont> since: 19 Nov 2015 03:45:05Z
[03:46] <mgz> lamont: what status is the machine in?
[03:47] <lamont> nova? doesn't exist at all
[03:47] <lamont> interestingly, local:wily/foo gets me machine-2
[03:47] <mgz> weeelll... that would be why the agent isn;t up
[03:47] <lamont> service-status:
[03:47] <lamont> current: maintenance
[03:47] <lamont> message: installing charm software
[03:47] <lamont> since: 19 Nov 2015 03:47:45Z
[03:48] <lamont> that's with local:wily/foo
[03:49] <lamont> mgz: is there some easy way to cause juju to spill what command it's using for "nova boot"?
[03:49] <mgz> lxc-ls --fancy gives you a view under the hood, as does $JUJU_HOME/$ENV/*
[03:50] <mgz> er, meph
[03:50] <lamont> no lxcs involved... this is openstack
[03:50] <mgz> I was imagining containers where none exist
[03:50] <lamont> can I have multiple series (trusty,wily,xenial) in one juju environment?
[03:50] <mgz> for the true story, you need the nova logs
[03:51] <lamont> as in nova host api logs on the api host?
[03:51] <mgz> but machine-0.log will tell you what the provisioner tried to do
[03:51] <lamont> ah!
[03:51] <mgz> it may be something as simple as nova not having a xenial image
[03:52] <lamont> nova image-list| grep xenial
[03:52] <lamont> | 00e59d4a-b4a5-4b27-8cf9-3fe2bcd0fb79 | ubuntu-xenial-daily-amd64-server-20151105-disk1.img | ACTIVE | |
[03:52] <lamont> ^^ that's why I thought I could do this
[03:53] <mgz> okay, but how does juju know about that image?
[03:53] <lamont> 2015-11-19 03:45:07 ERROR juju.provisioner provisioner_task.go:630 cannot find tools for machine "1": no matching tools available
[03:53] <mgz> did you also update local simplestreams
[03:53] <lamont> bingo!
[03:53] <lamont> apparently not
[03:53] <mgz> ...and also it couldn't find xenial tools
[03:53] * lamont goes to poke his admins
[03:55] <mgz> okay, we haven't published xenial tools yet, because there are no xenial cloud-images yet, and our build chain expects that
[03:55] <lamont> oh!
[03:55] <lamont> well then
[03:55] <mgz> in practice, the tools would be identical to wily's
[03:55] <lamont> mgz: any eta? (meanwhile, I'll do the wily + upgrade-in-place-while-crying
[03:56] <lamont> guessing step 1 is poke the cloud-images people?
[03:57] <mgz> yeah, they're trying to change the method they're making images, which is the hang up
[03:59] <lamont> ack
[07:57] <jamespage> adam_g, hey - you should hook up with gnuoy, coreycb and thedac as they are about to write three new openstack charms - all based on the new reactive framework which is our standard now
[10:36] <ionutbalutoiu> hi, jamespage. Update MP with the unit tests as you advised. Can you take a look whenever you can ? (https://code.launchpad.net/~ionutbalutoiu/charms/trusty/neutron-gateway/next/+merge/276833)
[10:37] <jamespage> ionutbalutoiu, on my list for today
[10:40] <ionutbalutoiu> jamespage, just as a note, amulet tests didn't run yet for this update (only lint_test and unit_test), but it's been two days. I think we have to wait for this as well. Just wanted to give you a ping. Is it common such a delay for amulet tests ?
[10:41] <jamespage> ionutbalutoiu, long queue in the lab right now as we keep enabling new tests for each charm
[10:41] <jamespage> its possible something is blocked up - I'll check
[10:41] <jamespage> ionutbalutoiu, if not I'll run them myself...
[10:41] <ionutbalutoiu> good, thank-you.
[10:42] <jamespage> ionutbalutoiu, tbh I'd be happy to land without those reporting in as they passed before, and you've made 0 code change that would impact that since then
[10:42] <jamespage> but lets see
[10:45] <lazypower> o/ mornin jamespage
[11:22] <jamespage> hey lazypower
[11:23] <lazypower> jamespage did you see the somewhat silent post yesterday about charming w/ layers interview feat. Adam Stokes?
[11:24] <jamespage> lazypower, I did - started to watch but then got children
[11:24] <jamespage> so had to stop
[11:24] <jamespage> will resume later today
[11:24] <lazypower> :D just wanted ot make sure it crossed your radar as i know your team is about to go head first in reactive/layer territory
[11:25] <lazypower> to anyone lurking that didn't catch the update - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lowRfWcxky0
[11:28] <jamespage> gnuoy, coreycb, thedac, ddellav, rockstar, beisner ^^
[11:29] <gnuoy> ta
[14:26] <tvansteenburgh> anyone know how to get the ID of the currently executing juju action from inside the action itself?
[14:27] <tvansteenburgh> i've seen other code using JUJU_ACTION_ID, but it's not set, and I don't see any mention of that env var in the docs
[14:43] <tvansteenburgh> ah, it's JUJU_ACTION_UUID
[15:06] <stub> Register the decorated function to run when not all desired_states are active.
[15:06] <stub> Which does not mean when all desired_states are not active.
[15:08] <stub> tvansteenburgh: I look in charmhelpers.core.hookenv() for those :)
[15:10] <stub> So we get an AND operation with @when and an OR with @when_not. But I think I might stick with a single state per decorator for now until I get the hang of this ;)
[17:58] <jcastro> rick_h_: we're 7 subscriptions short of the 100 we need to get the custom URL for the youtube channel, can you ask for one more push across the board?
[17:59] <rick_h_> jcastro: sure thing
[18:03] <rick_h_> jcastro: sent, included cloud@ as well this time so hopefully moves fast for you.
[18:04] <jcastro> <3
[18:06] <rick_h_> jcastro: <3 jane's reply
[18:28] <rick_h_> jcastro: and done! woot
[18:58] <natefinch> rick_h_: sort of sad that a 600 person company has trouble getting 100 subscriptions to their own youtube channel ;)
[19:02] <rick_h_> natefinch: naw, it got through pretty well. Folks just need reminders :)
[19:26] <adam_g> gnuoy, coreycb thedac are there any examples out there of openstack charms using the reactive framework?
[19:27] <gnuoy> adam_g, there is one I think
[19:27] * gnuoy is looking for the link
[19:28] <gnuoy> adam_g, https://code.launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers/charms/trusty/openvswitch-odl/next
[19:28] <adam_g> gnuoy, thanks.
[19:28] <gnuoy> adam_g, the directory layout is a little outdated though
[19:28] <gnuoy> reactive should be a top level dir I think
[19:31] <adam_g> also--i seem to remember at least one place in the openstack charms where a charm would go and create neutron networks and subnets in neutron using neutronclient as part of a hook. does that still exist?
[19:31] <adam_g> i need to do something similar but can't remember where that was done
[19:32] <gnuoy> adam_g, are you thinking of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ost-maintainers/openstack-charm-testing/trunk/view/head:/bin/quantum-ext-net
[19:32] <gnuoy> adam_g, oh, as aprt of a hook
[19:32] <adam_g> gnuoy, oh ya, that was it
[19:33] <gnuoy> adam_g, also http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ost-maintainers/openstack-charm-testing/trunk/view/head:/bin/quantum-tenant-net
[19:33] <adam_g> gnuoy, okay, so those dont actuallyg et called as part of a hook
[19:33] <gnuoy> adam_g, nope, I can't think of a hook that does that
[19:34] <adam_g> as part of my services deployment, i need to go and create a network in neutron on behalf of the service tenant
[19:34] <coreycb> adam_g, btw we're in the midst of creating a base openstack layer and inteface layers for rmq, mysql, keystone, etc
[19:35] <adam_g> coreycb, cool. im kinda operating on a tight schedule so im not sure ill be able to adapt that just yet. :\ unless all that stuff is about done and ready to use now.
[19:35] <gnuoy> adam_g, that's going to be a pain I would think
[19:35] <gnuoy> I mean creating the network
[19:35] <adam_g> gnuoy, yeah, i was trying to find a good way to make that fit yesterday
[19:36] <adam_g> gnuoy, best i could come with is have neutron-api expose a setting in its relatoin that lets other services know that neutron at least has: keystone, db, rabbit relations
[19:36] <adam_g> then have the other end do what it needs once thats true
[19:37] <gnuoy> adam_g, fwiw we already have a concept of the charm being ready (all mandatory relations and config satisfied)
[19:37] <gnuoy> it;s spat out in the workload status
[19:38] <adam_g> gnuoy, right but isnt that just user facing? i cant block relatin A's hooks on the status of B+C+D ?
[19:38] <bdx_> charmers, core, dev: Hey whats up everyone? I am finally getting my feet wet and jumping into charming with reactive.... I'm trying to react to the changing of specific configs on config-changed hook, is there a best practice for checking for config change for specific configs? heres what I'm working with...https://github.com/jamesbeedy/puppet-agent/blob/master/reactive/puppet_agent.py
[19:39] <gnuoy> adam_g, yes, you're right. I just meant the charm already has a concept of what it needs to be ready
[19:39] <adam_g> gnuoy, yeah, AIUI that unfortunately doesnt help here
[19:40] <adam_g> i think all i need from neutron-api is a flag i can pass to other services that says 'the api is functional and you can create things'
[19:40] <adam_g> should be fine if that were happen before the rest of neutron is wired (neutron-gateway and cooresponding compute agents)
[19:43] <gnuoy> adam_g, yep, it seems reasonable. I'd like to see what jamespage thinks too as he was pondering a similiar issue recently
[19:43] <adam_g> cool
[19:44] <adam_g> i might get something functional later this afternoon and push it somewhere
[19:56] <tvansteenburgh> bdx_: you can do `if config.changed(key)`
[19:57] <bdx_> tvansteenburgh: ha...I knew it was something simple....thanks!
[20:52] <bdx_> 2-vcpu_4-gb-ram_20-gb-hd
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2015-11-19-#xubuntu
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[00:25] <jack-the-ripper> So im thinking of switching from lubuntu to xubuntu, but i only have 2gbs of ram, is that sufficent enough?
[00:25] <knome> xubuntu can definitely run with 2GB ram
[00:26] <Unit193> Basically yes, though depending on what applications you use.
[00:26] <Unit193> (I have it on something with only 1G, not exactly the most friendly with FF but functional.)
[00:26] <knome> same with lubuntu though...
[00:27] <jack-the-ripper> Alright, and is the 64bit version a smart choice or should i use the 32bit?
[00:27] <knome> depends on your CPU architecture
[00:27] <Unit193> Right, though with something like Unity, the desktop is going to take up such that running additional stuff might well be fun.
[00:27] <jack-the-ripper> I can run 64bit
[00:29] <jack-the-ripper> I'm just wondering if running 64 will use more ram or not
[00:30] <knome> you should pick 64bit if you can run it
[00:30] <jack-the-ripper> Alright, thanks
[01:29] <steve_> hi, im trying to get my network manager plugin onto my panel
[05:47] <dougbb> I've been having some serious problems with my system "locking up" after it's been idle for a while .... the screen goes dark, backlight is on, but it won't "come back"
[05:47] <dougbb> I tried replacing light-locker with xscreensaver, no change
[05:48] <dougbb> in order to boot today at all I had to go back to the previous kernel
[05:48] <dougbb> any ideas?
[05:52] <Casper-> Hey guys, does anyone know how to turn off the 'corner-tiling' in XFCE 4.12?
[05:52] <Casper-> And just have the old regular 50% tiling?
[07:28] <xubuntu43w> where is the bug tracker?
[07:29] <flocculant> which one?
[07:29] <xubuntu43w> ok, found link here: http://xubuntu.org/dev/
[07:30] <xubuntu43w> but links to the wrong place
[07:30] <xubuntu43w> to report issues with current installer
[07:31] <flocculant> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds
[07:32] <flocculant> right at the top it has a section 'Find a bug'
[07:33] <xubuntu43w> is this also for xubuntu?
[07:33] <flocculant> yes - xubuntu is at the bottom
[07:46] <xubuntu43w> I'm installing Xubuntu and run into bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-ext3/+bug/1361951
[07:46] <xubuntu43w> This is not mentioned in release notes
[07:47] <xubuntu43w> and btw, installer doesn't link to release notes but to some nonexistent wiki page
[07:47] <flocculant> that wouldn't be on ours - if ubuntu thought it important enough they'd put it on their one - which they didn't
[07:48] <flocculant> not sure I understand what link you're talking about there
[07:48] <xubuntu43w> the link in the first dialog of the installer
[07:50] <xubuntu43w> it means that some of us cannot install on existent ext4 partition, the installer just hangs, no error provided...
[07:50] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: here it links to a list of releases
[07:51] <xubuntu43w> you mean this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu
[07:51] <flocculant> no
[07:51] <flocculant> or rather - those are our notes yes :)
[07:52] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-ext3/+bug/1361951/comments/39
[07:52] <flocculant> seems to be a work round
[07:52] <xubuntu43w> shouldn't be linking to http://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-15-10-release/ ?
[07:52] <xubuntu43w> yeah, there is a workaround
[07:53] <xubuntu43w> if you sort of figure out what's going on
[07:53] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: the installer would only ever link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes
[07:55] <xubuntu43w> sorry, this one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/FinalRelease/Xubuntu
[07:55] <xubuntu43w> the "Final" is missing in the installer link
[07:56] <flocculant> updated the release notes
[07:57] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: the main installer will only ever point at the main Ubuntu release notes not ours
[07:57] <xubuntu43w> ok
[07:59] <flocculant> you can ubuntu-bug ubiquity and report the notes link wrong, I'll confirm it
[08:06] <xubuntu43w> flocculant: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1517769
[08:08] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: thanks :)
[08:09] <xubuntu43w> to you :)
[08:09] <xubuntu43w> I've also run into this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1078445
[08:09] <xubuntu43w> not exactly, but I had to disable automount in thunar
[08:10] <xubuntu43w> for me it would be more sensible to have it disabled by default in livecd
[08:12] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: I was wrong - the fix for the note bug should be easy enough
[08:13] <xubuntu43w> it seems to...
[08:13] <flocculant> I remember seeing that automount issue a while back - not seen it recently
[08:13] <xubuntu43w> it's not automounting when you just boot
[08:14] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: I know what's up there with the notes bug
[08:14] <xubuntu43w> but if you modify partitions, new partitions automount, and everything else in that volume
[08:15] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: yea I understand - not something that we can fix though - note it on the bug
[08:17] <xubuntu43w> I've disabled the settings for "mount removable *" in Volume Management configuration, in Thunar, and that solved it
[08:18] <xubuntu43w> those can be off by default in live, right?
[08:19] <flocculant> probably
[08:20] <flocculant> I've got to bow out now - you caught me before getting ready for work :)
[08:20] <xubuntu43w> flocculant: have a nice day, thanks
[08:23] <flocculant> xubuntu43w: for what it's worth the release note bug is now Fix Released
[11:35] <xubuntu253> hi wonder if anyone can answer a question re existing install and a new pc. I have xubuntu installed and configured the way i want it on a machine with an athlon dual core processor. I have been given a pentium dual core machine - could i swap the hard disk from the old machine to the new machine and keep all my settings or would i have to do a fresh install and reconfigure everything from there?
[11:37] <cfhowlett> xubuntu253, sanest/surest option would be to fresh install
[11:39] <xubuntu253> i figured that would be the cleanest and best solution - was just hoping to avoid reinstalling and reconfiguring all the software that i had added. I dont suppsoe that there is any tool like the xp files and settings transfer wizard available?
[11:40] <cfhowlett> xubuntu253, well you can certainly dpkg -l all your currently installed packages. then sudo dpkg -k <packagelist> on the new machine
[11:41] <cfhowlett> dpkg -i
[12:13] <knome> cfhowlett, fwiw, using the same HDD should work; only problem might be some drivers on boot, but it's definitely fixable
[12:14] <knome> cfhowlett, and you could also copy most of the configuration from /home over anyway
[12:14] <knome> (that's what i do)
[12:14] <cfhowlett> knome makes sense.
[12:50] <flocculant> I've done similar - prior to moving the drive I've made sure I had no prop driver(s) enabled
[13:13] <xubuntu908> hi
[13:13] <xubuntu908> i never use xubuntu and ı want try today
[13:13] <xubuntu908> but wtf ı dont understand anything
[13:17] <cfhowlett> xubuntu908, 1. drop the profanity.
[13:17] <cfhowlett> 2. did you install xubuntu.
[15:41] <JesusSavesMe> Hi\
[15:41] <JesusSavesMe> I have problem in xubuntu, i cant regulate laptop backlight
[15:42] <JesusSavesMe> Using Xubuntu 14.04 LTS. HP compaq 6715s laptop! Kernel 3.19.
[15:42] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Hello, sir, I'll help where I can, but I'm gonna have to say that I don't know much about laptops/backlights.
[15:44] <JesusSavesMe> ok
[15:45] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Here's a link which might shed light upon the subject: http://askubuntu.com/questions/517409/xubuntu-backlit-keyboard-not-working-on-14-04
[15:46] <JesusSavesMe> hmm
[15:46] <JesusSavesMe> ok
[16:11] <JesusSavesMe> i still cant change screen brightness.
[16:15] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, desktop pc? laptop? which graphics card?
[16:15] <JesusSavesMe> laptop
[16:15] <JesusSavesMe> ATI
[16:16] <JesusSavesMe> This works: sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness <<< 5
[16:16] <mrkramps> ATI?
[16:16] <JesusSavesMe> But Fn + brithness keys doesnt work
[16:16] <JesusSavesMe> mrkramps, yes
[16:16] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, os it is a pretty old card?
[16:16] <mrkramps> *so
[16:17] <JesusSavesMe> yes
[16:17] <JesusSavesMe> ati x1250
[16:17] <mrkramps> ah, ok … just wanted this to be sure
[16:17] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, indicates you'Are using the free radeon driver
[16:17] <JesusSavesMe> yes
[16:18] <JesusSavesMe> cant even use proprietary
[16:18] <mrkramps> what is the exact laptop type
[16:19] <JesusSavesMe> HP COMPAQ 6715S
[16:19] <JesusSavesMe> fn + brightness doesnt respond
[16:20] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, does the brightness üanel plugin work?
[16:20] <JesusSavesMe> what
[16:21] <mrkramps> *panel plugin
[16:21] <JesusSavesMe> I dont have it i think?
[16:21] <JesusSavesMe> fresh Xubuntu install
[16:21] <JesusSavesMe> 3.19 kernel
[16:22] <JesusSavesMe> ok i installed power manager plugins
[16:24] <JohnnyComeL8ly> JesusSavesMe, did you install Xubuntu 15.10?
[16:24] <JesusSavesMe> Xubuntu 14.04
[16:24] <JesusSavesMe> As i said
[16:24] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I just thought you maybe got another version....
[16:24] <JesusSavesMe> I installed Power manager brightness plugin and it works
[16:24] <JesusSavesMe> But Fn + Brightness shortcut doesnt work
[16:25] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Ok, then go to your shortcuts panel.
[16:25] <JesusSavesMe> I cant install new version my laptop crashes with ( kernel > kernel 3.19) crash
[16:25] <JohnnyComeL8ly> And make shortcuts for that.
[16:25] <JesusSavesMe> I need Fn + brightness keys
[16:25] <JesusSavesMe> Ah ok
[16:25] <JesusSavesMe> yes
[16:27] <JesusSavesMe> cant find it
[16:27] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, you can try some bootoptions
[16:28] <JesusSavesMe> which ones?
[16:28] <mrkramps> my first suggestion would be to gib 'acpi_osi="Linux"' a try
[16:28] <mrkramps> --gib ++give
[16:31] <JohnnyComeL8ly> mrkramps, is that to fix his "any version greater than kernel 3.19 crashes"?
[16:31] <mrkramps> JohnnyComeL8ly, no
[16:31] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I'm just trying to follow along, sorry.
[16:32] <mrkramps> JohnnyComeL8ly, if you want to get more information on your kernel issues read through syslog and search for the errors
[16:34] <JohnnyComeL8ly> mrkramps, Ok, I'll try to remember that for when I need it. JesusSavesMe is the needy one right now though.
[16:34] <JesusSavesMe> where is syslog/
[16:35] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, /var/log/syslog reps. sylog.1 and so on
[16:35] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Yes, I was gonna say that... had to check first.
[16:35] <JohnnyComeL8ly> :-}
[16:38] <JesusSavesMe> mrkramps, but i crash before boot
[16:38] <JesusSavesMe> during boot
[16:38] <JesusSavesMe> ok i restart
[16:40] <JohnnyComeL8ly> mrkramps, I wish I were able to help him locally.
[16:43] <mrkramps> JohnnyComeL8ly, locally you in general do not help people, but just fix their problems right away
[16:43] <JesusSavesMe> maybe i should install older kernel
[16:46] <JesusSavesMe> backlight works
[16:46] <JohnnyComeL8ly> mrkramps, you are right... good thing to keep in mind.
[16:46] <JesusSavesMe> but how to make shortcut keys work/
[16:46] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Use the keyboard shortcuts app.
[16:48] <JohnnyComeL8ly> JesusSavesMe, use xfce4-keyboard-settings Paste that into a terminal.
[16:49] <JesusSavesMe> maybe i need debug keyboard hotkeys
[16:50] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Then go to the Application Shortcuts tab and add one.
[16:50] <JohnnyComeL8ly> One that does what you want, that is.
[16:51] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, you may check if the Fn key combination is recognized by 'xev'
[16:51] <JesusSavesMe> ok i checked it
[16:52] <JesusSavesMe> got black box
[16:52] <JesusSavesMe> Fn keys work
[16:53] <JesusSavesMe> only Fn + brightness doesnt work
[16:53] <JesusSavesMe> bbrrr
[16:53] <JesusSavesMe> But i can change brightness with power manager plugin
[16:53] <JohnnyComeL8ly> JesusSavesMe, do what mrkramps suggested.
[16:54] <JohnnyComeL8ly> mrkramps and JesusSavesMe, what of this https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/Old/HPCompaq6715s
[16:55] <mrkramps> ok, you can of course try this boot option as well
[16:56] <JohnnyComeL8ly> mrkramps, I don't have a /boot/grub/menu.lst I'm not sure that he does either. Is that going to go into another file?
[16:56] <mrkramps> information is pretty outdated, but the bug mentioned does not seem to be fixed yet
[16:57] <mrkramps> JohnnyComeL8ly, edit /etc/default/grub and then update the boot loader 'sudo update-grub'
[16:57] <JesusSavesMe> but is it allowed to edit grub there?
[16:57] <mrkramps> yes
[16:58] <mrkramps> it is the common way of adding boot options permanentely
[16:58] <JesusSavesMe> what about "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" ?
[16:58] <mrkramps> !?
[16:58] <mrkramps> there's no such line in my /etc/default/grub
[16:59] <JohnnyComeL8ly> That must be from /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[16:59] <mrkramps> exactly
[16:59] <mrkramps> and that is the WRONG file
[16:59] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Yeah.
[16:59] <JesusSavesMe> ah ok
[16:59] <JesusSavesMe> so what lines should i add?
[17:00] <mrkramps> replace: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[17:00] <mrkramps> with: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash noapic"
[17:01] <JesusSavesMe> you suggest disabling apci?
[17:01] <JohnnyComeL8ly> I'm glad you knew... I was only guessing (I've pickled myself over stuff like this - had to reinstall: but that was because I didn't follow a HOWTO....)
[17:02] <mrkramps> acutally i recommend to diable auto detection of APIC
[17:02] <mrkramps> _not_ ACPI
[17:02] <mrkramps> and there nothing like APCI ;)
[17:03] <JesusSavesMe> whatever :P
[17:04] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Acronyms have meaning.... :-D
[17:04] <JohnnyComeL8ly> So, do what mrkramps said and then reboot!
[17:04] <JohnnyComeL8ly> :-)
[17:05] <mrkramps> and do not forget to update the boot loader afterwards
[17:05] <JesusSavesMe> ok
[17:07] <JesusSavesMe> i cant boot into 3.19-33 kernel
[17:07] <JesusSavesMe> but 3.19-25 works
[17:07] <JesusSavesMe> ok i restart
[17:09] <JesusSavesMe> Hi
[17:09] <JesusSavesMe> didnt help
[17:11] <mrkramps> JesusSavesMe, did not help with kernel or with fn keys?
[17:11] <JesusSavesMe> fn
[17:11] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Ok, did you do 'sudo update-grub' after editing /etc/default/grub to change that line that mrkramps mentioned?
[17:12] <JohnnyComeL8ly> JesusSavesMe, so you can use 3.19-33 now?
[17:13] <JesusSavesMe> no
[17:16] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Ok, did you use 'xev' to see if Fn is recognized?
[17:17] <JohnnyComeL8ly> JesusSavesMe /\/\/\
[17:18] <JohnnyComeL8ly> brb
[18:03] <xbnt> hello everyone, i just installed xubuntu. I am newer to linux, not totally new :). Well i used ubuntu software center to install docky and the installation stopped at 90%. I tried everything but couldnt fix it. The terminal says "sudo dpkg --configure -a" to fix it manualy, but it gets into a loop. I tried a restart it didnt work. Can some1 help me plz
[18:08] <evandrojr> Try compiling docky
[18:08] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xbnt, 'dpkg-query -s docky'
[18:09] <xbnt> plz understand that i am new to linux. So i should run "dpkg-query -s docky" in terminal?
[18:09] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Yes, sir.
[18:09] <xbnt> ok, will try :D
[18:10] <xbnt> it says that docky is not installed, as i said it got stuck at 90%
[18:11] <JohnnyComeL8ly> well then, 'sudo apt-get -f'
[18:11] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xbnt: ^^^
[18:13] <JohnnyComeL8ly> xbnt, sorry 'sudo apt-get install -f'
[18:14] <xbnt> it says again that dpkg was manualy canceled and tat i should use sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:17] <xbnt> i used sudo dpkg --configure -a and now i get : Installing 1 assembly from libdbus2.0-cil into Mono || Warning: Degraded allocation. Consider increasing nursery-size if the warning persists.
[18:18] <xbnt> O.O somehow it is fixed lol XD
[18:18] <xbnt> well thx for help xD
[18:52] <xubuntu90i> Hey. I tried to uninstall thunderbird today. I didn't need it. Turns out a lot of stuff was uninstalled. Like gnome-terminal and xfce. Reinstalling from scratch now. But is this really what is suppose to happen when you uninstall thunderbird?
[18:53] <Unit193> How exactly did you try to uninstall? I've removed it as I don't use nor need it.
[18:54] <xubuntu90i> I used the Ubuntu Software Center, and just clicked "Remove". I did get a warning that a lot of packages (that seemed important) would be removed also. But I didn't believe that it could do any harm so I clicked yes
[18:55] <xubuntu90i> But it did some harm... :)
[18:58] <xubuntu90i> It was a pretty fresh Xubuntu 15.10 install. Just a couple of days old. Soon done with the reinstallation now, so I'm soon back in buisness. But just found it peculiar, so I thought I'd mention it here.
[18:59] <flocculant> usc told me it was going to remove lang pack only with it
[19:01] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Unit193, maybe you should state the "proper" method of package removal.
[19:01] <xubuntu90i> Hmmm. strange. I'll test my new installation now to see if I get the same warning
[19:01] <xubuntu90i> what is the "proper" way?
[19:01] <flocculant> JohnnyComeL8ly: any of them should work
[19:02] <Unit193> JohnnyComeL8ly: There's not one canonical way.
[19:06] <JesusSavesMe> Hi
[19:06] <JesusSavesMe> GOD BLESS YOU!
[19:07] <JohnnyComeL8ly> Hello, JesusSavesMe, God bless you too. (I'm sincere here.)
[19:07] <knome> JesusSavesMe, do you have a support question?
[19:07] <xubuntu10> Turns out it was the "Mail Reader" that gave me the problems
[19:07] <JesusSavesMe> knome, no
[19:08] <xubuntu10> Not thunderbird
[19:08] <Unit193> xubuntu10: That's exo, so yep!
[19:08] <knome> JesusSavesMe, we have #xubuntu-offtopic for general chatter if you are looking for that.
[19:08] <xubuntu10> Unit193: What's exo?
[19:09] <xubuntu10> (sorry for switching nickname btw. couldn't remember what I had before I logged out a minute ago)
[19:10] <knome> xubuntu10, that's ok, seasoned support people will catch that.
[19:12] <mrkramps> xubuntu10, actually the "Mail Reader" is just a generic starter for your preferred mail reader
[19:12] <mrkramps> by default it is thunderbird ;)
[19:13] <mrkramps> xubuntu10, for exo read about it here http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/exo/start
[19:13] <xubuntu10> mrkramps: Thanks!
[19:14] <xubuntu10> It's pretty cool that there is a support channel for Xubuntu! I just randomly stumbled across this
[19:14] <mrkramps> yeah, you'll find quite some support channels for projekt "you name it" on IRC
[19:15] <JesusSavesMe> Why i cant install older kernel?
[19:15] <JesusSavesMe> It says dependency not satisfiable
[21:00] <xubuntu09i> help
[21:00] <Pici> okay?
[23:44] <egggs> hello all
[23:45] <knome> hello
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[00:37] <diddledan> daftykins, gifts <= 10% * price of computer :-p
[00:38] <daftykins> ;)
[00:38] <diddledan> or gifts <= 0.1 * price of computer
[08:11] <diplo> foobarry: I use sphinx for writing work docs
[08:21] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:23] <MooDoo> morning
[08:24] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:32] <diplo> Morning peeps btw :)
[08:34] <MooDoo> :)
[09:04] <foobarry> diplo: i'm using mkdocs but noticed sphinx/rtd has a collapsed menu option. really need that in mkdocs but unsure if possible
[09:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:11] <diplo> Yeah, I use the menus all the time, I basically have headline and then sections ie : Distributions and headings of different versions, then a sub heading under for Install - Configure etc
[09:12] <diplo> Like this
[09:12] <diplo> http://docs.syncthing.net/
[09:21] <foobarry> diplo: ahhh , using rst?
[09:21] <foobarry> i want those collapisble menus
[09:24] <diplo> Yeah rst, then covert to html and rsync to another server within the make script
[09:25] <diplo> I've not looked at mkdocs tbh
[09:26] <diplo> Looks like it maybe possible by editing the template ?
[09:32] <davmor2> got this stuck in my head this morning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zQ6kgrUjIs
[09:33] <MooDoo> not heard that in a while
[10:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Use Less Stuff Day! 😃
[10:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: Who you calling useless... hmm hmmm ;)
[10:33] <davmor2> JamesTait: I'm sure you makes these up to see if I can find a song, give me a minute, I'm thinking :)
[10:33] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'm waiting.... 😉
[10:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: Used less camera tricks, and less instruments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tJYN-eG1zk
[10:37] <davmor2> JamesTait: can't deny the logic there can you :)
[10:38] <JamesTait> davmor2, I'll let you off, because it's Queen.
[10:39] <davmor2> JamesTait: or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I because they only use 4 chords
[10:39] <JamesTait> Ah! Better! 😃
[10:40] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:47] <popey> JamesTait, Not International Mens Day!?
[10:52] <bigcalm> popey: what would you do with your finger if it could go through time?
[10:53] <davmor2> popey: is that not the same thing?
[10:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ this version is better :)
[11:01] <popey> bigcalm, poke through to last week and swipe on my own phone what this weeks lottery numbers are
[11:04] <bigcalm> Hazar
[11:04] <bigcalm> Would you then remember to do it after cashing in?
[11:05] <bigcalm> What do we want? Time travel!
[11:05] <stemount_> when do you want it?
[11:05] <bigcalm> When do we want it? That's irrelevant!
[11:07] * Laney writes to Chris Leslie MP
[11:09] <MooDoo> you and your timey wimey stuff pah ;)
[14:10] <diddledan> good moaning
[14:10] <zmoylan-pi> good moaning nite 'awk
[14:24] <diddledan> http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/09/tin-foil-hats-actually-make-it-easier-for-the-government-to-track-your-thoughts/262998/
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> that's why the truly paranoid switched to lead ages back...
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> or so i've heard...
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> <_<
[14:24] <zmoylan-pi> >_>
[15:22] <diddledan> spectre apparently has a world record for the largest stunt explosion in history
[15:23] <zmoylan-pi> meh, me prefers the longest car crashes in blues brothers :-)
[15:23] <diddledan> lol
[15:34] <diddledan> apple iTunes are offering the james bond collection for a mere 109.99 right now
[15:34] <diddledan> :-p
[15:35] * zmoylan-pi looks shifty at my external hd...
[15:46] <davmor2> I don't believe that hitchhikers guide to the galaxy and starwars blew up planets :P
[15:47] <diddledan> should there be some punctuation in there?
[15:48] <davmor2> diddledan: yeah probably
[15:49] <diddledan> omg, drupal8 is out!
[15:52] <daftykins> free Nexus 5 \o/ https://www.dropbox.com/s/klu17bnco4wm791/n5.jpeg?dl=0
[15:55] <davmor2> daftykins: dropbox living up to it's name there then
[15:56] <daftykins> non-working? :)
[15:56] <daftykins> i've noticed some leave the image area blank lately, need a force refresh to come up
[15:57] <daftykins> http://www.techblo.gg/stuff/n5.jpeg
[15:57] <daftykins> there's a more reliable link
[15:57] <diddledan> that's one wonky display :-p
[15:58] <daftykins> sure is! my mate did quite the number on it, but £26 from ebay should be enough :>
[16:04] <popey> I watched a couple of flat earth videos a while ago, now youtube keeps offering for me to watch more of them
[16:04] <popey> These people are bonkers.
[16:16] <diddledan> popey, as in videos about people that try to tell us the earth isn't a spheroid?
[16:23] <popey> yes diddledan
[16:23] <popey> there's a lot of them
[16:23] <diddledan> I wonder how they think GPS works?
[16:24] <diddledan> and tv from the sky (satellite tv)
[16:24] <diddledan> it's pretty obvious that nasa wasn't lying
[16:38] <daftykins> XD
[16:38] <daftykins> i get enough of a daily dose from #ubuntu ;)
[16:38] <diddledan> daftykins, the penguin is a lie
[16:39] <daftykins> wow at the guy that advised someone stop updating their kernel by pinning it, then going on and on about it for about 3hrs straight over in -discuss because we told him that was bad advice
[16:39] <daftykins> mind = blown
[16:39] <diddledan> really?!
[16:39] <diddledan> jeebers
[16:40] <Myrtti> new kernels and 15.10 fixed my "no wifi when returning from suspend" issue, btw.
[16:41] <ali1234> good to know, i think i encountered that one a few times
[16:41] <diddledan> I love when things suddenly start working with a standard update
[16:42] <daftykins> :)
[16:42] <daftykins> April would probably be a good time for any folk wanting LTS + new hardware then perhaps
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> 1
[17:14] <popey> diddledan, they have explanations for all of that
[20:32] <davmor2> Myrtti: should of been working in 15.04 I tested it :) If you are talking about your xps13
[20:34] <Myrtti> yeah, I am, but it stopped working somewhere after August after a kernel update
[20:35] <Myrtti> and now it works again
[20:36] <davmor2> Myrtti: meh I meant 15.10 it's been a long day an I lose track of releases ;)
[20:44] <bittin_> did not have enough in my buffer but asked the americans for help
[20:46] <daftykins> americans? if you mean #ubuntu that's not US :)
[20:51] <diddledan> you want a buffer-overflow?
[20:52] <diddledan> ubuntu podcast: electronic nudity sounds fun
[20:54] <diddledan> I find it fascinating that eddy snow has become the go-to guy for digital rights campaigning
[23:16] <diddledan> linux voice podcast points to psdoom - a version of doom where each enemy is actually a process currently running on your system - kill an enemy and the process associated dies meaning you could have a very bad day by killing the enemy number 1 (init)
[23:16] <diddledan> ref: http://psdoom.sourceforge.net
[23:19] <diddledan> lol: In the original implementation of the program, 'pid monsters' could be killed not only by the program's user, but also by other 'pid monsters' and normal Doom monsters on the level.
[23:19] <diddledan> ...Unfortunately, the number of monsters in a given area must be depressingly small in order for them to avoid both intentional infighting and friendly fire. Since monsters would tend to kill each other off until only a few remained in the area, the user was severely hampered
[23:21] <daftykins> :D
[23:21] <daftykins> i remember hearing of that, see i think that is how hacking should be done :P
[23:22] <diddledan> with the hackers and sysadmins roaming the same environment
[23:22] <diddledan> and hackers trying to hide round corners when an admin comes along
[23:25] <daftykins> noclip!
[23:25] <diddledan> lol
[23:25] <diddledan> that was funky when you got to the edge of the play area
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-de
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[00:01] <nagetier> exoplanet, fully-qualified nicht, aber den hostnamen kann man mehrfach vergeben
[00:01] <nagetier> denke das ist dein ziel?
[00:02] <exoplanet> geht mir nur um den FQHN. Gibt schon einen der typisch dns mit ip ist. Wollte wissen ob ich den richtigen FQHN ergänzen kann oder ersetzen muss. nagetier
[00:04] <nagetier> kannst ihn um den gewünschten und freien hostnamen erweitern
[14:02] <purukumi> Hallo, ich habe mal eine frage und zwar befindet sich in meinen netzwerkverbindungen eine vibr0 verbindung, die sich irgendwie nicht löschen lässt, befindet sich unter dem reiter "Brücke", wiek ann ich die löschen? :/
[14:03] <purukumi> EDIT: die verbindung heisst virbr0
[14:03] <Hootch> weiss jemand wie ich in kde dolphin ein ssh share dauerhaft einbinde?
[14:04] <k1l_> purukumi: hast du virtualbox laufen?
[14:05] <purukumi> nee, hatte das programm installiert, aber dann doch nicht benutzt, also weider deinstalliert
[14:05] <David1977> ich kenne SMB und NFS shares...ein SSH share ist mir unbekannt
[14:05] <David1977> aber das hat nichts zu heißen ;)
[14:06] <k1l_> David1977: sshfs
[14:06] <purukumi> kann aber sein, dass sich das problem schion behioben hat, ich hab die ganzen daten in der verbindung gelöscht und dann die komplette verbindung, scheint nun weg zu sein
[14:07] <David1977> k1l_: danke
[14:07] <David1977> Hootch: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/fuse/sshfs Ich denke, das wird helfen
[14:09] <k1l_> Hootch: man kann es in die fstab eintragen
[14:11] <k1l_> musst nur aufpassen. systemd scheint da sehr fragil zu sein mit der fstab. wenn es das nicht findet was da drin steht dann bootet schonmal das ganze system nicht
[14:13] <Hootch> k1l: blockt dann der ganze boot vorgang?
[14:14] <k1l_> Hootch: jo. kann passieren. das scheint bei systemd noch echt nicht gut gelöst zu sein
[14:14] <Hootch> ok, aber ich kann sshfs mit .bashrc einbinden
[14:15] <Hootch> das sollte mich ja nicht hindern
[14:16] <Hootch> wie siehts mit der dispatcher lösung aus?
[14:16] <Hootch> im wiki
[14:20] <k1l_> hab kein sshfs im einsatz
[14:23] <Hootch> k1l, David1977: danke. ich teste das mal
[17:07] <YoSiJo> Ich habe ein Skript welches mit "find ./ -type f -printf '%s %p\n' | sort -nr" die Dateien, der gräße nach ausgiebt. Benutze ich später in einer while schleife. Problem: Ist ein "?" im datein Name, kommt es zu einem Zeilenumgruch. Ideen?
[17:09] <mrkramps> fragezeichen gehören jetzt nicht unbedingt bevorzugt in den dateinamen
[17:13] <jokrebel> wie kommen die Leute nur immer wieder auf die Ideen sowas zu tun wo doch seit Anbeginn der Computerei davor gewarnt wird?
[17:14] <mrkramps> YoSiJo, vielleicht lässt du erstmal eine schleife laufen, die alle fragezeichen aus den dateinamen entfernt
[17:14] <mrkramps> und am besten auch gleich alle anderen sonderzeichen, die da nicht hingehören
[17:14] <purukumi> Hallo, ich hab mal ne frage bezüglich meiner Netzwerkverbindungen, dort ist unter "Brücke", die Verbindung virbr0 zu sehen, die sich zwar löschen lässt, allerdings nach einem Neustart wieder erscheint, welche Möglichkeit hab ich, diese erbindung dauerhaft zu löschen?
[17:15] <YoSiJo> Handelt sich hier um ein ro fs welches musik enhält und ich dadurch nicht einfach nen rename machen kann und durch die masse nicht manuel bearbeiten möchte.
[17:15] <mrkramps> YoSiJo, welches dateisystem?
[17:17] <YoSiJo> btrfs raid6 degraded,recovery,ro (PS. Ja defekt, Backups sind da aber die sind 1 Woche als, deswegen wollte ich noch mal den aktuellsten stand ziehen.) Da es aber 14 TB sind, habe ich kein ersatz storage das dass mal eben am stück machen könnte und deswegen das skript.
[17:18] <YoSiJo> purukumi: "virbr0" gehört sicherlich zu einer Virtualisirungslösung wie VirtualBox oder LXC. Nehme stark an, solange das drauf ist, solltest du es nicht löschen.
[17:19] <purukumi> Ich habe Virtual Machine Manager installiert gehabt, da ich Windows in der Box installieren wollte, den Manager habe ich allerdings wieder gelöscht, die Verbindung blieb aber :/
[17:21] <YoSiJo> purukumi: Dann sollte dir das helfen: http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/VirtualNetworking#Removing_a_virtual_network
[17:22] <YoSiJo> mrkramps: ABer so oder so, wenn ich ein String pipe sollte doch kein Umbruch durch ein ? zustande kommen oder eine möglichkeit exitieren dies zu verhindern.
[17:22] <purukumi> Benutze im moment Remmina um über sftp auf den Universitätsserver zuzugreifen, könnte die Verbindung von dieser Anwendung sein?
[17:26] <YoSiJo> purukumi: Ich kan dir kein defakto "Nein" geben, aber es wäre mir völlig neu wenn Remmina eine virbr0 schnistelle benötigt oder verwendet. Ich denke eher die wurde bei der deinstallation nicht mit gelöscht und du musst es manutell machen.
[17:28] <purukumi> Ich habe jetzt mal virt-manager wieder installiert und da die verbindung gefunden, die als aktiv und beim start ausgeführt wird, ich starte mal neu und gucke ob es wieder mit startet.
[17:31] <purukumi> okay, problem gelöst, war in virt-manager als Autostart und aktiv gekennzeichnet, ist tnun entfernt, danke :)
[17:35] <YoSiJo> Np
[17:43] <smeexs> was würdet ihr denn als desktop widget empfehlen (uhr,cpu,lan usw) für 14.4 unity
[17:44] <smeexs> wetter wär auch schön
[17:50] <k1l_> smeexs: die taskleiste? ;p
[17:51] <k1l_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/30334/what-application-indicators-are-available
[17:52] <k1l_> mulitload indicator, my-weather-indicator, radiotray, etc nutze ich selbst.
[17:53] <smeexs> welche anwendungen es gibt seh ich auf ubuntuusers auch , ich möchte aber nicht alle druch probieren bis ich weiß welche gut sind , nicht viel cpu verschleudern und fehlerfrei laufen
[17:53] <smeexs> ah ok dann schau ich mir die mal an
[17:54] <smeexs> ich hab als erstes GKrellM probiert aber das ist doch sehr veraltet
[17:54] <k1l_> das temperatur dings für cpu hab ich auch laufen.
[17:54] <smeexs> daher hab ich mir gedacht ich frag mal bevor ich noch 3,4 durch teste
[17:55] <smeexs> schaus mir grad durch
[17:56] <ring0> schau dir conky an
[17:57] <k1l_> jo, conky ist ja für den desktop an sich. aber das ist halt so das latex der widgets: kann alles, wenn du alles kannst :)
[17:57] <k1l_> sshplus hab ich auch noch um terminals mit meinen ssh sessions schnell zu starten
[17:57] <smeexs> jo soll etwas frickelig sein
[18:00] <theo_> Guten Abend, kann mir jemand sagen wie ich folgendes machen kann: Create an entry in your .ssh/config file for easy access. It should look like this..
[18:00] <theo_> https://github.com/tomparys/docker-skype-pulseaudio#building-instructions (step 7)
[18:08] <ring0> theo_, in deinem home verzeichnis im ordner .ssh in der datei config (eventuell zu erstellen) die sechs zeilen unter 7. reinkopieren. fertig
[18:10] <theo_> das .ssh Verzeichnis existiert nicht, es handelt sich um eine frische installation
[18:11] <hdp> Dann musst du es wohl anlegen.
[18:11] <ring0> ssh muss natürlich auch installiert sein
[18:11] <theo_> ok, wenn es sonst weiter nicht schlimm ist :D danke
[18:19] <theo_> wow, danke. Jetzt ist MS-Skype endlich hinter Gittern
[18:19] <ring0> läuft?
[18:20] <theo_> ja
[18:20] <ring0> fein
[18:21] <theo_> jetzt noch firefox, chrome, dann wäre es perfekt
[18:22] <theo_> Wird AppArmor durch SELinux ersetzt oder sind die unabhängig voneinander, Apparmor wird vermutlich besser sein als ein extra Nutzer für die Browser
[18:36] <Hootch> gibt es lösung für vertikale sync fehler bei videos in linux? hab eine nvidia gtx 560. man sieht immer mal eine flimmernde trennlinie im bild
[18:36] <k1l_> haste den nvidia aus dem repo?
[18:37] <Hootch> ja, treiber version 352.63
[18:40] <ppq> das klingt nach tearing
[18:40] <k1l_> bei 15.10? hab da jetzt schon öfters gehört.
[18:41] <k1l_> lief es vorher besser mit anderer version?
[18:42] <Hootch> ja tearing trifft es
[18:43] <Hootch> k1l_, weiss ich nicht :) bisher sah ich keine filme unter linux (netflix & co)
[18:43] <Hootch> meist seh ich da nur die konsole
[18:46] <ppq> Hootch, es gibt da eine option, die man setzen kann, hat bei mir mal geholfen. gurgel mal nach ForceCompositionPipeline oder so ähnlich
[18:48] <ppq> ich las allerdings auch mal, dass das die grafikleistung dramatisch reduziert
[18:48] <ppq> aber wenn dadurch kein tearing mehr auftritt, lohnt's sich ja
[19:04] <Pixelbyte> hallo
[19:04] <Hootch> ppq: im nvidia config panel?
[19:05] <ppq> ne da gibts das nicht
[19:06] <Pixelbyte> kenn sich jemand aus pci passthrough?
[19:07] <Hootch> ppq: http://devdiary.org/nvidia-tearing-beheben/ das probier ich mal. danke
[19:08] <ppq> Pixelbyte, habs mal probier vor ein paar jahren und bin dran verzweifelt :) aber mag sein dass das inzwischen besser geht, softwareseitig
[19:09] <Pixelbyte> ich bin auch am verzweifeln
[19:10] <Pixelbyte> ich habe geschaft die graka an die vm durch zureichen, aber jetzt habe ich das problem bei windows das ein fehler kommt Code43
[19:11] <ppq> so weit bin ich damals nicht mal gekommen, insofern kann ich da leider nicht weiterhelfen
[19:11] <Pixelbyte> schade aber danke
[19:12] <Pixelbyte> wollte eine gaming kvm aufsetzen und da ist es ein muss xD
[19:12] <Pixelbyte> das Graka mit treiber leuft
[19:14] <ppq> hab noch nie gehört dass das jemand tatsächlich hinbekommen hat
[19:15] <mrkramps> ich glaube inzwischen auch eher, dass das ein mythos ist
[19:15] <Pixelbyte> auf youtube gibs dazu viele videos
[19:16] <Pixelbyte> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9QwDmYBRgg das hier ist gut mit BFH
[19:29] <p01nt3r> nabend. gibt es eine möglichkeit, shell-scripte sowie binäre dateien von einem stick auszuführen, ohne dass man dafür auf dem pc, an den der stick angeschlossen wird, irgendetwas ändern, konfigurieren, etc. muss?
[19:30] <ppq> klar
[19:30] <p01nt3r> ppq: habe es bisher nicht geschafft.
[19:31] <p01nt3r> nehmen wir einmal an, ich will vom stick "prime95" via shell script ausführen. wie bringe ich den stick denn dazu, das direkt zu tun?
[19:32] <ppq> p01nt3r, vfat/ntfs werden standardmäßig ohne "noexec" und so gemountet, dass dateien generell a+x haben, sollte damit also problemlos gehen. mit FS, das rechte unetrstützt, kommts natürlich auf die rechte der dateien an
[19:32] <ppq> achso, *automatisch*
[19:32] <ppq> nein, das geht nicht, sehe auch keinen sinn darin so etwas zu einzuführen
[19:32] <ppq> das war schon unter windows eine ausgesprochen schlechte idee
[19:33] <Pixelbyte> xD
[19:33] <p01nt3r> nicht falsch verstehen, das soll nicht automatisch ausgeführt werden. ich will auf dem stick ein script starten, damit prime95 (auch auf dem stick) dann startet.
[19:34] <ppq> dem script und der prime95 geschichte ist es ziemlich egal, wo sie gespeichert sind. das spielt keine rolle solange die rechte passen
[19:34] <p01nt3r> aber erst, nachdem der stick eingesteckt wurde und nicht schon automatisch, sobald er eingesteckt wird.
[19:34] <ppq> dein problem ist daher ein anderes
[19:35] <p01nt3r> genau. ich will diese rechte aber auch so wenig wie möglich manipulieren müssen
[19:35] <ppq> musst du standardmäßig auch nicht
[19:35] <p01nt3r> von welchem fs sprechen wir dabei jetzt?
[19:35] <ppq> jedem. wenn es rechte unterstützt, machst du einmalig ein chmod und fertig ist die laube
[19:36] <ppq> wenn es keine rechte unterstützt, ist nicht einmal das nötig
[19:37] <p01nt3r> soll heissen: ich formatiere den stick sagen wir mit ext3, gebe dem script und der prime binary ausführbare rechte und dann funzt das - auch, wenn ich den stick wieder an einen anderen pc anschliesse und es da ausführen will?
[19:37] <ppq> ja
[19:37] <ppq> wichtig ist nur, dass die dateien a+x rechte haben, also x für owner, gruppe und others
[19:37] <p01nt3r> eben testen.
[19:37] <ppq> vor allem letzteres
[19:39] <mrkramps> p01nt3r, prime95 liegt vorkompiliert und statisch gelinkt vor?
[19:40] <ppq> das gibts gar nicht anders iirc
[19:40] <mrkramps> ppq, als quelltext? selbst kompiliert?
[19:40] <mrkramps> aber ja, ich sehe gerade auf der projektseite, dass damit alles cool ist
[19:41] <p01nt3r> ppq: ich kann nicht mal die rechte vom start-script ändern. es ist mit fat32 formatiert.
[19:41] <p01nt3r> der ordner gehört mir, die datei auch.
[19:42] <ppq> dann musst du da gar nicht weiter rumfummeln, wie gesagt
[19:42] <p01nt3r> es geht noch um andere programme dabei.
[19:42] <p01nt3r> ppq: es geht aber nicht
[19:42] <ppq> ls -lah /media/user/mountpunkt
[19:42] <ppq> und mal "mount" tippen und die mount optionen des sticks anschauen
[19:43] <p01nt3r> type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,shortname=mixed,dmask=0077,utf8=1,showexec,flush,uhelper=udisks2)
[19:43] <ppq> ja, die dmask muss 0022 sein
[19:44] <ppq> komisch, bei mir ist das standardmäßig so
[19:44] <ppq> kommt vielleicht auf die desktopumgebung an, welche mountoptionen genommen werden
[19:44] <ppq> hab hier xfce4 mit thunar
[19:44] <p01nt3r> drwx------ 5 ich ich 4,0K Nov 19 04:11 steamtest
[19:45] <p01nt3r> ok, stellen wir es mal so ein
[19:45] <p01nt3r> hier mate mit pluma
[19:46] <p01nt3r> quak - caja
[19:46] <ppq> gesundheit
[19:46] <bekks> random words?
[19:52] <p01nt3r> wo werden diese rechte denn gesetzt? händisch kann ich den mountpunkt ja nicht ändern, oder? in der /etc/fstab steht dazu auch nichts. wird das nicht per hal/udev geregelt?
[19:53] <p01nt3r> weil es ein usb-laufwerk ist?
[19:53] <bekks> Wieso solltest du den mountpoint nicht händisch ändern können?
[19:54] <p01nt3r> gerade probiert. geht nicht, wenn stick eingehängt (scheinbar). ziehe ich den stick ab, verschwindet der auto-mountpunkt ja.
[19:55] <ppq> p01nt3r, ich denke in deinem fall wäre die einfachste lösung, den stick mit ext4/3/2 zu formatieren
[19:55] <ppq> dann bleiben die rechte erhalten und du musst nicht mit vfat mountoptionen fummeln
[19:55] <p01nt3r> auch schon probiert. wie genau gehe ich dann vor?
[19:56] <p01nt3r> ich formatier mal eben mit ext4
[19:57] <ppq> gparted anwerfen, rumklicken#
[19:59] <bekks> p01nt3r: "geht nicht" ist keine auch nur im Ansatz brauchbare Meldung. Was passiert wenn du versuchst was genau zu tun und wirft Dir welche Fehlermeldung um die Ohren?
[20:08] <p01nt3r> ppq: stick mit ext4 formatiert, jetzt hab ich darauf nicht mal schreibrechte.
[20:09] <bekks> Dann gib sie dir.
[20:10] <ppq> :)
[20:13] <p01nt3r> scheint gefunzt zu haben. die rechte wurden übernommen.
[20:13] <bekks> Kannst du mal Informationen liefern?
[20:13] <p01nt3r> bekks: was willst du denn wissen?
[20:14] <bekks> Habe ich geschrieben.
[20:14] <bekks> Du liest offensichtlich nicht mal, was man Dir antwortet.
[20:14] <p01nt3r> dann gib sie dir?
[20:14] <p01nt3r> meinst du das?
[20:14] <bekks> Nö.
[20:15] <p01nt3r> dann weiss ich nicht, was du mir noch geantwortet hast.
[20:15] <bekks> q.e.d.
[20:17] <p01nt3r> ppq: wie verhält sich das jetzt, wenn ich diesen stick auf einem anderen rechner mit linux einstecke. bleiben die rechte dann genauso erhalten? also kann ich das dann da genauso ausführen?
[20:17] <ppq> p01nt3r, wenn die dateien a+x sind, ja.
[20:17] <p01nt3r> a?
[20:17] <ppq> chmod a+x datei.sh
[20:18] <p01nt3r> mal nach chmod stöbern...
[20:19] <p01nt3r> ppq: ja, das sollte jetzt so gesetzt sein.
[20:21] <p01nt3r> ppq: glaube, ich habe das jetzt *grob* kapiert.
[20:21] <p01nt3r> DANKE!
[20:23] <p01nt3r> ppq: eigentlich ist da dann das o+x wichtig, richtig?
[20:23] <ppq> richtig
[20:23] <p01nt3r> :-)
[20:24] <ppq> aber a+x schadet nicht
[20:24] <p01nt3r> ok
[20:24] <p01nt3r> haut rein.
[21:05] <njchw> Hi
[21:06] <kirsten> hallo, ich habe gerade eine mSATA ssd in mein Laptop eingebaut (250GB), ich habe noch eine 320 GB HD drin, auf der mein altes Ubuntu installiert ist. 1. Wie bekomme ich heraus, welche Festplatte die 320 GB ist und wie formatiere ich sie, damit ich sie einfach nur als Datenspeicher benutzen kannÜ?
[21:06] <nils_2> gparted
[21:06] <k1l_> kirsten: wenn du gparted öffnest siehst ud die größe und daten
[21:08] <kirsten> ja, mir ist aber nicht klar, ob ich die gesamte 320 GB HD mit gparted formatieren kann, weil die Platte ja aufgeteilt ist in swap usw.
[21:09] <bekks> kirsten: Du weisst schon, dass man Partitionen auch wieder löschen kann?
[21:10] <kirsten> nein, wußßte ich nicht, wie macht man das denn?
[21:10] <bekks> mit gparted.
[21:11] <kirsten> ok, man formatiert heuzutage am besten auf ext4, richtig?
[21:11] <k1l_> kirsten: mit gparted kannst du alle schweinereien mit der festplatte machen die man so machen kann.
[21:12] <k1l_> kirsten: mach es einfach mal auf und guck dir es an. sei nur sicher, dass du oben rechts auch die 320gb platte auswählst.
[21:12] <bekks> Ist Ubuntu denn schon auf der 250GB Platte installiert?
[21:13] <kirsten> ja, auf der ssd - das geht ab!
[21:13] <kirsten> 14.04.2 habe ich installiert
[21:14] <bekks> Dann solltest du mal "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" laufen lassen.
[21:14] <kirsten> warum? 14.04 hat doch den long term support
[21:14] <bekks> Ja, mit Updates.
[21:15] <bekks> Wieso willst du keine Updates installieren?
[21:15] <bekks> apt-get dist-upgrade ist nicht do-release-upgrade
[21:15] <kirsten> ähm, ja, doch will ich, deshalb habe ich ja auch die Aktualisierungsverwaltung laufen lassen
[21:16] <bekks> Die je nach Einstellung aber nur ein upgrade und kein dist-upgrade macht.
[21:16] <k1l_> bekks: kirsten besser das neue "apt" nutzen. "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" das ist nicht so verwirrend mit dem dist
[21:16] <bekks> k1l_: ah.
[21:17] <k1l_> kirsten: das bringt dir keine neue ubuntu version (wie 14.10 oder 15.04) sondern du brauchst diesen command um sicherzugehen, dass du alle neusten 14.04 pakete insatlliert hast.
[21:19] <kirsten> ok, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -läuft
[21:20] <kirsten> jetzt aber zu meiner Platte, die 320er hat sda1, sda2 und sda3 . ich hätte da aber gerne nur ein Laufwerk also nur sda1 und da dann die vollen 320 GB
[21:20] <k1l_> backgroundwissen: kernel updates, z.b., müssen neue pakete installieren weil das grundpaket nur auf diese neuen pakete verlinkt. nur ein reines apt-get update und apt-get upgrade darf keine neuen pakete installieren. also werden die dann als "zurückgehalten" markiert.
[21:20] <bekks> kirsten: Dann mach das doch. Mit gparted.
[21:21] <k1l_> kirsten: jo, gparted aufmachen, die platte auswählen, die partitionen löschen, eine mit ext4 anlegen.
[21:21] <k1l_> am ende auf "ausführen" klicken :)
[21:23] <kirsten> ja, habe ich probiert, leider bekomme ich aber nur 298 GB, die Platte hat aber 320 GB
[21:23] <k1l_> kirsten: kannst du mal einen screenshot auf imgur.com hochladen und hier zeigen?
[21:24] <k1l_> kirsten: ich vermute, dass da die 5% fü root reservierung zuschlägt. die kann man aber manuell ausstellen oder kleinmachen
[21:25] <kirsten> ich installiere nur schnell shutter für den shot
[21:33] <ppq> kirsten, 320 000 000 000 ÷ (1024^3) ≈ 298
[21:33] <ppq> alles im lot, dir werden einfach nur GiB angezeigt statt GB
[21:33] <kirsten> ah, ok, danke
[22:29] <olaf123> hi
[22:31] <olaf123> auf meiner Testkiste läuft irgendein DHCP Server, den möchte ich deaktivieren. isc-dhcp ist es anscheinend nicht bzw den abe ich deaktiviert. Wie finde ich den?
[22:31] <ppq> höchstwahrscheinlich ist es dnsmasq
[22:32] <ppq> ansonsten mal netstat fragen
[22:32] <jumja> hi kann mir jmd bei der konfig der internen soundkarte zur aufnahme über die ganz normale 3,5mm klinke am thinkpad t410 helfen
[22:32] <bekks> olaf123: Was ist das dahinterliegende Problem?
[22:33] <olaf123> ppq: dnsmasq nicht installiert
[22:33] <ppq> jumja, in den audio-einstellungen unter konfiguration einfach das richtige profil fürs gerät wählen und dann unter eingabegeräte auswählen
[22:34] <jumja> analog stereo duplex nehme ich an oder?
[22:34] <olaf123> bekks: ich teste einiges in einem kleinen Netz. Dafür muss DHCP von einem anderen Rechner übernommen werden
[22:34] <olaf123> (ich übe)
[22:34] <ppq> jumja, damit geht's, jo
[22:34] <jumja> ansonsten gibts nur noch einige analog surround blabla und digital stereo bla und digital surround bla
[22:35] <ppq> jumja, brauchst dann halt nur so einen speziellen stecker, der kopfhörer- und mikrofonstecker in eins ist, wie ihn viele headsets haben
[22:35] <jumja> ja das hab ich eingestellt aber es geht trotzdem nicht
[22:35] <jumja> ja kann ich da auch einen nur mikrofonstecker reinstecken?
[22:35] <jumja> nur mic geht nicht?
[22:35] <ppq> jumja, wähl einfach das profil analog stereo eingang, oder so
[22:35] <olaf123> Ich kann mich nicht erinnern, auf dem betreffenden Rechner was anderes als isc-dhcp installiert zu haben; aber wer weiß, vielleicht doch mal irgendwann...
[22:36] <ppq> olaf123, hast mal mit netstat geguckt?
[22:36] <olaf123> Aber auf jeden Fall vergibt er fleißig IPs
[22:36] <jumja> gnome sound rekorder sagt mir immer "Ihre Einstellungen zur Tonaufnahme sind ungültig."
[22:37] <k1l_> olaf123: networkmanager mal stoppen?
[22:37] <bekks> olaf123: Was für IPs vergibt der denn?
[22:38] <jumja> ppq: habe beides ausprobiert "duplex" und "input"
[22:38] <olaf123> ppq: ich muss gleich erstmal schauen bzgl. netstat was/wie usw. Hatte das zwar mal irgendwo aufgeschnappt, aber das wars auch
[22:38] <bekks> lsof -i
[22:45] <olaf123> bekks: entsprechend Einträgen in der /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[22:45] <olaf123> IP-Range usw
[22:46] <tsatsatsa> ppq: :( Konnte mich nur nicht entscheiden..
[22:46] <bekks> olaf123: Dann guck doch nach welchen dhcpd du installiert hast.
[22:47] <olaf123> bekks: genau das versuche ich die ganze Zeit, aber da gehe ich wohl noch zu dusselig vor. Ich finde nur den isc-dhcp-server, und den habe ich gestoppt
[22:51] <bekks> dpkg -l | grep dhcp
[22:55] <jumja> keiner mehr eine idee?
[22:56] <olaf123> bekks: nur isc, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13354317/
[22:56] <tsatsatsa> ppq ist der schlechteste Mod auf freenode
[22:58] <bekks> olaf123: Ja. Dann schalt den ab. :)
[22:59] <olaf123> bekks: sudo /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server stop
[22:59] <olaf123> schon bis zum umfallen gemacht
[22:59] <olaf123> ich stehe auf einem dicken Schlauch. Gardena.
[23:00] <bekks> service dhcpd stop?
[23:00] <bekks> Schau halt endlich mal mit lsof -i nach, ob der noch läuft.
[23:02] <olaf123> bekks: kann dort nichts mit "DHCP" sehen
[23:02] <bekks> Das sagte auch niemand.
[23:02] <olaf123> öhm, ok
[23:02] <bekks> Schau nach, was auf Port 69 läuft.
[23:13] <olaf123> bekks: ich wühle mich die ganze Zeit durch google und man, aber verstehe das nicht wirklich. Danke für Deine Hilfe, aber ich packs nicht
[23:13] <bekks> Warum zeigst du uns nicht einfach die Ausgabe oder fragst nach?
[23:14] <bekks> Wenn da nichts auf Port 69 läuft, läuft da nichts.
[23:14] <bekks> Dann kriegen deine Rechner ihre IPs (welche das sind, hast du ja bisher noch nicht beantwortet) von "woanders".
[23:14] <k1l_> vom router, z.b.?
[23:23] <olaf123> bekks: der Router vergibt einen anderen Bereich. Zusätzlich sehe ich beim Client (Tests mit dHCP-> pxe boot usw), die IP des Rechners, um den es geht
[23:23] <olaf123> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13354639/
[23:25] <olaf123> ("DHCP IP: ip-des-Rechners)
[23:26] <k1l_> du hast isc-dhcp-server installiert. das ist dir bewusst?
[23:26] <olaf123> ja
[23:27] <olaf123> den brauchte ich mal
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-uy
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[02:17] * magu42 .
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-11-19-#juju-gui
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[14:35] <arosales> urulama: not a critical bug, but one I hit again today https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1499857
[14:35] <mup> Bug #1499857: juju-gui did not allow add-relation and "freezes" <juju-gui:Triaged by uros-jovanovic> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499857>
[14:36] * arosales wanted to swap MariaDB for MySQL in this bundle https://jujucharms.com/apache-analytics-sql/16
[14:38] <arosales> but hit the bug above. I can do this in a live environment, just now in the in-browser memory. Let me know if you need any more info from me. Again not super critical as I can do this in a live environment, but for those wanting to create bundles in the in-browser gui it is a limiting factor.
[14:39] <urulama> arosales: kk, will check. hope it's just a browser cache issue
[14:39] <arosales> urulama: thanks, and not a blocker or anything just one I ran into again
[14:41] <urulama> arosales: which zabbix? server, agent, frontend?
[14:41] <urulama> arosales: nevermind, found zabbix :)
[14:42] <arosales> ok :-)
[14:42] <urulama> arosales: confirmed, we'll look into it. thanks
[14:43] <arosales> urulama: thanks, no rush just wanted to post here on my recent findings
[15:58] <urulama> stokachu: did you write the juju search stuff?
[16:32] <stokachu> urulama: yea
[16:33] <rick_h_> stokachu: love the recent juju impact with the interview/post and such. <3
[16:34] <stokachu> rick_h_: np! it's been fun writing them
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2015-11-19-#cloud-init
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[16:09] <ezeh0001_> Trying to change openstack single disk partition mounted to / with cloud-int to repartition to have multiple mountpoints (/var) at least
[16:11] <ezeh0001_> Tried using disk_setup and fs_setup in user-data but that is not working
[16:11] <ezeh0001_> Is it even possible?
[17:20] <ezeh0001_> Have question about partitioning disk with cloud-init
[17:21] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: That should be possible; what do you mean by "not working"?
[17:21] <Odd_Bloke> (And what distro/version are you using?)
[17:22] <ezeh0001_> I am running on RHEL 7
[17:22] <ezeh0001_> I used the disk_setup inside user-data, but when it runs the partition is not yet there
[17:23] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: Can you paste your config somewhere?
[17:27] <ezeh0001_> Odd_Bloke: Config http://pastebin.com/yv7MKB7H
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: You have "ephmeral" not "ephemeral" under disk_setup; I don't know if that's causing the problem.
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: If that doesn't fix it, /var/log/cloud-init.log is also extremely useful for debugging problems.
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: So either have a look at that yourself, or pastebin it and I can have a look.
[17:29] <Odd_Bloke> (Though I'm about to go to lunch, so I won't be able to help for 90-120 minutes)
[17:31] <harlowja_at_home> 120 minute lunch, questionable
[17:31] <harlowja_at_home> lol
[17:33] <ezeh0001_> Obb_Bloke: Thanks. Will try that.
[17:59] <ezeh0001_> The error I get for disk_setup can be seen here: http://pastebin.com/pWYJ7fbJ
[18:27] <manuq> hi! how can I enable debug logging to cloud-init ? version is 0.7.5
[18:38] <ezeh0001_> Odd_Bloke: Looking at the error, the partition table is not changed before cloud-init gets to it. I am trying to repartition the boot disk. Is that possible with cloud-init
[19:27] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja: I had a call as well!
[19:27] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja: NO YOU SHUT UP
[19:27] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: Cool, having a quick look now.
[19:28] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: Can you paste the full log? (Having context can sometimes make all the difference when debugging this sort of thing)
[20:18] <ezeh0001_> Odd_Bloke: whole log is at http://pastebin.com/ZsyNwmYb
[20:38] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: Ohhhhh, I only just worked out you're trying to partition /.
[20:38] <Odd_Bloke> ezeh0001_: I'm not sure we support that.
[20:38] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: ^ ?
[20:40] <smoser> whats going on ?
[20:41] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Is there anyway to partition the disk that is mounted on /?
[20:42] <smoser> i dont think linux supports it really.
[20:43] <smoser> hm.. i guess maybe if / was an lvm
[20:43] <smoser> but if its a partitioned disk, then you can tell cloud-init not to resize and take the rest, but i dont know that you can add partitions wihtout unmounting
[20:43] <smoser> i'd have to think more though
[21:01] <ezeh0001_> @smoser and Odd_Bloke: Thanks for your assistance
[23:31] <corb00> Hi is there any way to specify uid/gid for a user created in the cloud-init users: section?
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[19:13] <olly_> morning
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[16:00] <pitti> o/
[16:00] <sil2100> \o
[16:00] <robru> /o/
[16:00] <cyphermox> sup.
[16:01] * slangasek waves
[16:01] <infinity> o/
[16:01] <chiluk> o/
[16:01] <tdaitx> o/
[16:01] <infinity> Did mumble just explode for anyone else, or am I special?
[16:01] <cyphermox> you're special
[16:02] <slangasek> you are special!
[16:02] <infinity> Yay me.
[16:02] <barry> why is that an either-or?
[16:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Nov 19 16:02:21 2015 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[16:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox)
[16:04] <slangasek> cyphermox doko robru infinity caribou slangasek barry tdaitx pitti xnox sil2100 bdmurray
[16:04] <cyphermox> winnage!
[16:04] <cyphermox> - more ubiquity prototyping for kernel signature enforcing.
[16:04] <cyphermox> - discussed prototype with design team for feedback
[16:04] <cyphermox> - ipmitool SRUs for bug LP: #1509896 (vivid, wily)
[16:04] <cyphermox> - grub2 ofdisk/sas disk detection fix for bug LP: #1517586
[16:04] <cyphermox> - xenial and SRUs.
[16:04] <cyphermox> - continuing on netcfg work (bug LP: #1452202)
[16:04] <cyphermox> - also back on that lvm cyclic dependency issue.
[16:04] <cyphermox> - fixed update bug in sbuild-launchpad-chroot.
[16:04] <cyphermox> ♚ ♜
[16:05] <pitti> is that a checkmate?
[16:05] <cyphermox> ^ obligatory end transmission UTF characters.
[16:05] <infinity> pitti: No, it's romance.
[16:05] <infinity> Forbidden love.
[16:05] <bdmurray> cyphermox: is the lvm issue that upgrade bug?
[16:05] <cyphermox> bdmurray: yes!
[16:05] * sil2100 starts browsing the UTF character table
[16:06] <pitti> king and castle could both beat each other, veery romantic :)
[16:06] <robru> no doko?
[16:06] <infinity> He's probably too busy abusing xnox on mumble.
[16:06] <xnox> he was trolling my uploads in private message a minute ago...
[16:06] <doko> - addressing binutils regressions on s390x and ppc64el
[16:06] <doko> - ISL 0.15 transition (ongoing, involving gcc backports, gcc-* uploads)
[16:06] <doko> - review and upload openjdk-6 and openjdk-7 packages
[16:06] <doko> - merges
[16:06] <doko> (done)
[16:07] <robru> lp:cupstream2distro
[16:07] <robru> - Force xenial in xenial+vivid to main archive.
[16:07] <robru> - Total overhaul of the way train monitors and reports silo statuses
[16:07] <robru> - Permanently disable jenkins CLI due to security vulnerability.
[16:07] <robru> lp:bileto
[16:07] <robru> - minor display tweaks to match new status format
[16:07] <robru> other
[16:07] <robru> - experiments with autopkgtests in silos and enabling britney but nothing conclusive yet
[16:07] <robru> (done)
[16:07] <infinity> Brain melty sort of week, with vague updates to match:
[16:07] <infinity> - s390x stuff
[16:07] <infinity> - kernely things
[16:07] <infinity> - argued with glibc a bit
[16:07] <infinity> - AA misc
[16:07] <infinity> - SRU whatsits
[16:07] <infinity> (done)
[16:07] <caribou> Bugfix :
[16:07] <caribou> - Precise SAN/LVM boot hang
[16:07] <caribou> LP: #1506550 - quassel sound bug
[16:07] <caribou> LP: #1496317 - kdump OOM killer failure
[16:08] <caribou> Sosreport autopkgtests & packaging
[16:08] <caribou> (done)
[16:09] <slangasek> * merges
[16:09] <slangasek> * s390x bootstrapping
[16:09] <slangasek> * worked through bug in udevd SIGBUSing on the phones (bug #1512323)
[16:09] <slangasek> * worked around a binutils hang that was causing util-linux to FTBFS on ppc64el (bug #1516444)
[16:09] <slangasek> * secureboot installer design discussions
[16:09] <slangasek> (done)
[16:09] <barry> debuntu: fades 4-1 (review, sponsor); LP: #1516688 (submitted upstream, have yet to hear back from maintainers); LP: #1440375 (mp submitted); pycurl 7.19.5.3-1 and 7.19.5.3-1ubuntu1; python-webob 1.5.1-1
[16:10] <barry> si: LP: #1386302; LP: #1380678 (for si 3.1)
[16:10] <barry> various reviews of various system-image server, ubuntu-release-upgrader branches; other python help here and there
[16:10] <barry> ⛈⛱
[16:10] <tdaitx> Current/Past
[16:10] <tdaitx> - IcedTea 6b37 1.13.9 and 7u91 2.6.3 released on Friday (2015-11-13); couldn't get a Xenial LXC running, reverted to schroot; packaged both on my PPA; thanks doko for reviewing them =)
[16:10] <tdaitx> - Provided OpenJDK 7u91 2.6.3 packages for the security team (new update for Wily and backports for Vivid, Trusty, and Precise)
[16:10] <tdaitx> - Provided Wily backport for libcommons-collections3-apache to security team (LP: #1514985)
[16:10] <tdaitx> - Looking into arm+powerpc build failures in OpenJDK 8 & 9
[16:10] <tdaitx> Next steps
[16:10] <tdaitx> - provide OpenJDK 6b37 1.13.9 packages for the security team
[16:10] <tdaitx> - continue working on TCK packaging and charms
[16:10] <tdaitx> - work on joda-time and freeipmi merges, then move to squid3
[16:10] <tdaitx> - verify OpenJDK 6 TLS patch (LP: #1482924)
[16:10] <tdaitx> Waiting/On hold
[16:10] <tdaitx> - waiting OCA to submit webrevs for 7093640 backport (set TLS 1.1 as default for JDK 6 and TLS 1.2 as default for JDK 7); not blocking anything for now, just waiting
[16:10] <tdaitx> (done)
[16:10] <pitti> == autopkgtest ==
[16:11] <pitti> - Detect temporary DNS failures and auto-retry on those
[16:11] <pitti> - Counteract livecd-rootfs hack from LP #1510345 harder to unbreak local QEMU images
[16:11] <pitti> - Hotfix regression from cloud-init change (#1177432) that caused the wrong source versions to be downloaded (#1517426)
[16:11] <pitti> - Some smaller bug fixes
[16:11] <pitti> - Create https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/LocalSetup and scripts to initialize britney, mostly for robru's train integration
[16:11] <pitti> - about a full day's worth of autopkgtest infrastructure maintenance
[16:11] <pitti> - In progress: Integrate http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.html prototype into debci, make it more useful and robust
[16:11] <pitti> == systemd ==
[16:11] <pitti> - Fix autopkgtest failures on ppc64el and in LXC (armhf), file console-setup bug (#1516591)
[16:11] <pitti> - Fix race condition in resolvconf integration
[16:11] <pitti> - Greatly improve networkd tests; plan: land them upstream and running them on every pull request in semaphore
[16:11] <pitti> - Fix build on arm, forward slangasek's siphash alignment patch upstream and complete it (#1512323)
[16:11] <pitti> - investigate various regressions in upstream master, QA the 228 release, package it
[16:11] <pitti> - Improve some of our autopkgtest cases
[16:11] <pitti> == misc ==
[16:11] <pitti> - meeting about test machines for ubiquity/upgrade tests (aiming at nested QEMU in Scalingstack)
[16:11] <pitti> - make some experiments for the above; works good enough for autopkgtests, but ubiquity ISO tests are currently failing in Scalingstack (works fine locally)
[16:11] <pitti> EOT
[16:11] <cyphermox> pitti: ubiquity tests, yay
[16:12] <xnox> * back from vacation
[16:12] <xnox> * configured irc, ssh, vpn, etc.
[16:12] <xnox> * uploaded a few merges / sync
[16:12] <xnox> * replied to a bunch of emails
[16:12] <xnox> AbEnd
[16:12] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[16:12] <sil2100> - RTM Status meetings
[16:12] <sil2100> - OTA-8: * Preparing manual re-spins in the rc channel, prepping snapshots, tagging images * Preparing release notes and commitlogs * Emergency langpack re-spin madness a day before release
[16:12] <sil2100> - system-image: * Deploying new image tag functionality, final live testing * Investigating bugs in delta handling * Some additional work on the testability branch
[16:12] <sil2100> - +1-maintenance: * Preparing sync request for jansson
[16:12] <sil2100> - Modifying snapshotting script to consider changes in the main archive (for OTA hotfixes)
[16:12] <sil2100> - Preparing miniature script for safe image copies during touch image promotion
[16:13] <sil2100> - Started work on modifying the auto-phasing scripts
[16:13] <sil2100> - Help in resolving packaging issues for trust-store and platform-api
[16:13] <sil2100> - Preliminary packaging review of the new gmenuharness package
[16:13] <sil2100> - Prepare for re-try on core-dev
[16:13] <sil2100> ✁
[16:13] <sil2100> (the scissors mark the end, just so you know)
[16:13] <bdmurray> research into quantity of crashes from the stable channel before and after apport change
[16:13] <bdmurray> updated /tested apport on production retracers
[16:13] <bdmurray> uploaded backport of xenial gdb to daisy pluckers PPA
[16:13] <bdmurray> remove a systemd SAS from a bucket to see if it will retrace better w/ new apport version tested retracing of systemd crashes
[16:13] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have gdb updated on the retracers
[16:13] <bdmurray> worked with thomi regarding a xorg retrace failure
[16:13] <bdmurray> reported apport bug regarding using crash's version of gdb
[16:13] <bdmurray> SRU verification of whoopsie bug LP: #1382233
[16:13] <bdmurray> investigated martin's idea of using has_useful_stacktrace() from apport
[16:13] <bdmurray> wrote a test for and fixed ubuntu-release-upgrader bug LP: #1511783
[16:13] <bdmurray> uploaded ubuntu-release-upgrader fixing LP: #1463680 and #1511783
[16:13] <bdmurray> investigation into merge-o-matic bug LP: #1202142
[16:13] <bdmurray> reviewed arges's sru-review merge proposal
[16:13] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:14] <slangasek> great!
[16:14] <slangasek> any questions?
[16:14] <pitti> OOI, what's the status of s390?
[16:15] <pitti> I thought infinity was rather close to debootstrapability?
[16:15] <infinity> Basically pending the hardware setup being complete for launchpaddification.
[16:15] <infinity> It's debootstrappable, plus lots of other misc stuff built.
[16:15] <slangasek> we have a minbase debootstrappable stage0 archive. infinity, how's stage1 looking?
[16:15] <infinity> stage1 will be building itself today.
[16:15] <slangasek> excellent
[16:15] <infinity> That's my whole day.
[16:15] <pitti> that sounds like great progress
[16:15] <cyphermox> slangasek: looks like we've filled the s390x position?
[16:16] <pitti> cyphermox: it's spelt "s390xnox"
[16:16] <slangasek> on the hardware setup side there was another delay this week, which IS and our unofficial in-house zSeries experts are now working to resolve but I have no eta
[16:16] <cyphermox> pitti: jes
[16:16] <slangasek> cyphermox: yes
[16:16] <cyphermox> xnox: that's a good point, you should /nick ;)
[16:16] <xnox> haha
[16:17] <caribou> shouldn't it be Znox ?
[16:17] <pitti> thanks for the heads-up
[16:17] <slangasek> wouldn't s390x-no-x reduce to s390? We don't support that
[16:17] <cyphermox> well, are we even planning to ever run X on it?
[16:17] <xnox> Mir all the way.
[16:18] <infinity> cyphermox: Runs X fine.
[16:18] <infinity> Clients, that is. ;)
[16:18] <cyphermox> infinity: modulo no screen?
[16:18] <infinity> Not so much the server bit. Cause, yeah.
[16:18] <infinity> Well, I suppose server via VNC and the like.
[16:18] <cyphermox> yeah
[16:19] <sil2100> cyphermox: will you mind if I pick up the network-manager-pptp merge?
[16:19] <cyphermox> sil2100: knock yourself out :)
[16:19] <sil2100> cyphermox: \o/
[16:20] <cyphermox> might even be a sync
[16:20] <pitti> oh, speaking of NM: any plans ot update to the latest stable microrelease? that fixes that weird "too small wifi MTU" bug which plagued us at the sprint
[16:20] <pitti> (and I also see that here)
[16:20] <tdaitx> s390 display is probably a punch card, refresh rate about 0.1 Hz
[16:20] <pitti> (NM> IOW, debian merge)
[16:20] <infinity> tdaitx: Don't be silly. It's vacuum bulbs. The punch card is the mouse.
[16:21] <cyphermox> pitti: eventually, it's not my top priority.
[16:21] <infinity> Also, it occasionally makes satisfyinf sci-fi bloops and bleeps that don't logically map to any function of the system.
[16:21] <cyphermox> infinity: blinkenlights?
[16:22] <infinity> cyphermox: In response to gerfingerpoken, yes.
[16:22] <slangasek> but does it have a /dev/theramin
[16:22] <cyphermox> ye[
[16:22] <pitti> the bleeps, the sweeps, and the creeps?
[16:23] <infinity> Ahh, we're such professionals.
[16:23] <slangasek> so then!
[16:23] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[16:23] <slangasek> anything else?
[16:24] <infinity> *shrug*
[16:24] <slangasek> next week is Thanksgivin
[16:24] <slangasek> g
[16:24] <infinity> That was last month.
[16:24] <infinity> Heathen.
[16:24] <tdaitx> welcome (back?) xnox!
[16:24] <slangasek> so US folks will be off
[16:24] <xnox> tdaitx, si.
[16:25] <slangasek> shall I leave the meeting on the calendar for everyone else?
[16:25] <slangasek> (volunteer to chair?)
[16:25] <sil2100> Now that xnox is back in the team, I need to think of a way to bribe him as well
[16:25] <infinity> I have no interest in a meeting with half the team.
[16:25] <cyphermox> sil2100: feel free to take any of the other network-manager-$vpn packages for merging/sync too, if you want
[16:25] <sil2100> For the nearest DMB meeting
[16:25] <pitti> slangasek: sure
[16:25] <infinity> Unless someone else thinks it's super helpful.
[16:25] <pitti> whom do you trust your mighty "echo $(shuf)" baton?
[16:25] <sil2100> cyphermox: sure, will look if it'll end up as a merge or sync, jansson ended up as a sync so yay
[16:26] <infinity> pitti: I feel like you just volunteered.
[16:26] <slangasek> infinity: a whole 2/3 actually!
[16:26] <tdaitx> I will be out between Nov 26 and Dec 01
[16:26] <infinity> slangasek: Minus tdaitx. :P
[16:27] <slangasek> #agreed pitti to chair team meeting next week
[16:27] <infinity> Oh, I will be out "some days" the week after Thanksgiving as well, but the precise amount of outness is still in dispute.
[16:27] <cyphermox> oh, winter tires on nov 26
[16:27] <cyphermox> but no bloodletting, and not during work hours ;P
[16:28] <infinity> Hah.
[16:28] <tdaitx> pitti, good luck trying to control this mob =)
[16:28] <doko> can we organize a some bits of merges, with the foundations team as the owner?
[16:28] <pitti> tdaitx: I've known this bunch for years, no way
[16:28] <tdaitx> pitti, shuffle them hard
[16:28] <infinity> pitti: We're perfect angels. *bat lashes*
[16:28] <slangasek> doko: what exactly do you have in mind?
[16:29] <slangasek> most of the oldest merges are installer-related... which is typical
[16:29] <infinity> doko: Specific ones that concern you, or just knocking off old/forgotten merges in general?
[16:29] <doko> slangasek, looking at oldish merges where the uploader isn't active, for whatever reason
[16:29] <cyphermox> which I'll get to.
[16:29] * sil2100 will working on merges now as well, since his OTA-8 is out of the way
[16:30] <doko> no, not specific ones, just thinking that we should actively address these (and I know I have lots of outstanding merges too)
[16:30] <slangasek> doko: right; the oldest [foundations-bugs] ones on https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html are installer, which are on cyphermox's todo list. afterwards there's lsb which we saved for xnox
[16:30] <infinity> Looks like most of the oldest have familiar and active names attached to them but, yeah, we should hit some of those.
[16:31] <infinity> That grub1 merge scares me a bit.
[16:31] <slangasek> nah skip grub1
[16:31] <cyphermox> grub legacy is around for the fool who will try it... otherwise I'll be that fool after installer bits.
[16:31] <slangasek> it never needs to be merged again, it just needs to be fully removed
[16:31] <cyphermox> woops ;)
[16:31] <xnox> infinity, last time i spoke with cjwatson - i think it's time to force upgrade to grub2 and see what happens.
[16:31] <slangasek> exactly
[16:31] <xnox> or not do anything, and simply drop grub1 package and wait.
[16:31] <cyphermox> yes
[16:32] <slangasek> there's no longer a xen-pv use case for grub1
[16:32] <infinity> I'm TIL on a few things I don't remember Ting, I'll hit some of those next week after s390x stage1 is in a happy place.
[16:32] <xnox> amazon ec2 uses a fork too, no? (grub-something-rather)
[16:32] <slangasek> does anyone here have any merges they're TIL on that they specifically want to offer up to the team?
[16:33] <slangasek> looks like open-isci is up for grabs from pitti
[16:33] <pitti> lvm2 too
[16:33] <infinity> As a general rule, if I'm TIL because of a 1-line (or, rather, trivial) bugfix, I don't mind it being stolen.
[16:33] <pitti> (I'm happy to trade, of course)
[16:33] <infinity> If I'm TIL because half the changelog is me, I'd prefer to keep it.
[16:33] <doko> well, I'm not eager on all my merges ... and still haven't even looked at universe
[16:33] <slangasek> infinity: knowing it's a 1-line fix requires looking more deeply than at merges.u.c :)
[16:34] <doko> and one more thing is to address the ruby defaults change, and then following up on that (so maybe pitti could do that, or server team, kirkland, and rbasak?)
[16:34] <cyphermox> NM is free to merge for anyone who dares :)
[16:34] <pitti> we have a package "nosexcover"..
[16:34] <slangasek> infinity: maybe you're not attached to datefudge, as an example? You might be more partial to walnut fudge
[16:34] <infinity> slangasek: I don't even remember Ting datefudge L.
[16:34] <slangasek> * Use DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE for cross-builds, not DEB_HOST_ARCH.
[16:35] <infinity> Oh, cross. Bah.
[16:35] <infinity> That can't be the only change, though. It's 3 ubuntu revisions deep.
[16:35] <xnox> 0day nmu it + sync
[16:35] <infinity> Yeah, someone should sort that delta with Debian, probably.
[16:35] <pitti> doko: ah, I suppose we want to follow suit with ruby 2.2, so yes, I can merge that
[16:36] <infinity> * Cleanup makefiles a bit and add support for cross-compiling.
[16:36] <infinity> And it's possible Debian's got the bits.
[16:36] <doko> seriously, how many people are now looking at datefudge? ...
[16:36] <infinity> ALL OF US.
[16:37] <infinity> Perhaps we should end the meeting. :P
[16:37] <slangasek> :-)
[16:37] <barry> i was hoping to make some datefudge for thanksgiving
[16:37] <slangasek> anyway, what's a realistic target for merges?
[16:38] <slangasek> can we get everything > 365 days that's in main and foundations, off the list by EOY?
[16:38] <xnox> 350 main outstanding -> 1y?
[16:38] <infinity> slangasek: Everything but d-i, perhaps.
[16:38] <xnox> let's not go too hard on di et.al.
[16:38] <slangasek> if cyphermox is going to merge d-i, that ought to happen sooner rather than later this cycle
[16:39] <cyphermox> well, I'll certainly *start* on a few of them
[16:39] <infinity> Yeah, he and I have talked about it. We'd like to, but I'm also not holding my breath.
[16:39] <xnox> there was inprogress d-i merge at some point in the past, no?
[16:39] <infinity> xnox: Not really, no.
[16:39] <cyphermox> when we say d-i we mean all the d-i components but d-i itself
[16:39] <infinity> xnox: It stalled when Colin insisted he wanted to keep all the bzr history in a bzr->git conversion + merge.
[16:39] <infinity> cyphermox: No, I mean d-i. ;)
[16:40] <infinity> cyphermox: All the components should absolutely be merged.
[16:40] <slangasek> did that bzr->git conversion get done?
[16:40] <cyphermox> infinity: agreed
[16:40] <infinity> slangasek: Nein. And unless Colin's going to volunteer to do the work, I think I'm going to give up on caring about history soon and just do a shallow merge (which is actually close to trivial) and reset in a fresh git tree.
[16:40] <slangasek> ugh
[16:41] <slangasek> those who do not save their history are doomed to something something
[16:41] <slangasek> but ok
[16:41] <infinity> slangasek: Doomed to not read 400 nearly identical commits?
[16:41] <slangasek> infinity: doomed to not be able to find the rationale of the original commit
[16:41] <infinity> I have no intention of deleting the bzr branches. :P
[16:41] <infinity> But we'll see.
[16:42] <cyphermox> it just needs someone who understands repo surgery
[16:42] <slangasek> oh I assumed the launchpad team would vaporize those from orbit
[16:42] <infinity> I think Colin still wants to DTRT, and he's much more skilled at doing insane conversions.
[16:42] <slangasek> ok
[16:42] <slangasek> enough of this
[16:42] <slangasek> shall we end? :)
[16:42] <pitti> +1
[16:42] <infinity> Ja.
[16:42] <pitti> thanks everyone!
[16:42] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[16:42] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Nov 19 16:42:59 2015 UTC.
[16:42] <meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-11-19-16.02.moin.txt
[16:43] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[16:43] <caribou> thanks!
[16:43] <cyphermox> thanks
[16:43] <barry> thanks!
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[00:29] <harduim> how do you guys deal with the huuge title bar?
[00:30] <harduim> I've tried maximus and pixel saver, but maximus dont fully maximize the windows and pixel saver breaks the botom bar
[10:38] <Forage> Good morning
[10:39] <Forage> I switched to GNOME 3.18 yesterday after updating to Ubuntu 15.10. The Colour section in the settings doesn't list monitors any more though, only printers. Has the way to provide ICC profiles for monitors changed in 3.18 or is something going wrong?
[10:39] <Forage> colormgr get-devices" only gives me the printers again, not my two monitors
[10:41] <darkxst> Forage, file a bug
[10:43] <Forage> darkxst: "ubuntu-bug gnome-control-center"?
[10:43] <darkxst> yes
[11:25] <Forage> darkxst: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1517848
[11:28] <darkxst> Forage, it seems to work here, but I am on Xenial now
[11:32] <Forage> I'll give the live cd a try to see what happens on a clean UG 15.10
[11:45] <Forage> darkxst: all works fine on a clean 15.10 live cd
[11:46] <darkxst> Forage, ok, can you mark bug invalid then?
[11:46] <Forage> invalid?
[11:48] <Forage> It works in Ubuntu 15.10 with GNOME 3.16, not with 3.18. So it's still something that needs to be fixed, no?
[11:51] <darkxst> Forage, can you try a xenial (16.04) live cd
[11:52] <Forage> Where can I find it? Does it come with 3.18?
[11:54] <darkxst> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/\
[11:54] <Forage> cheers
[11:59] <darkxst> Forage, its about 97% done in regard to 3.18
[12:38] <lindol> hi all
[12:48] <Forage> darkxst: 16.04 boots to a broken login screen with only "not listed" visible in the center. Clicking on that and supplying the user name "ubuntu" without a password did not get me in. What is the default user name of the Ubuntu GNOME live cd?
[12:53] <lindol> oh! i have same problem.
[12:53] <lindol> when i test Xenial
[15:24] <Forage> In addition to the monitor color profile issue, have you noticed nautilus crashing when trying to move a file to the wastebasket (Delete button as well as context menu)?
[15:25] <Forage> (GNOME 3.18)
[16:38] <Forage> yesterday's nightly live cd build (20151117) has the same login issues
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-server
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[04:55] <hallyn> zul: ping, pls to comment on bug 1513367
[08:12] <nayKang> NFS client cause high load average low cpu usage
[09:29] <lordievader> High IO-wait?
[11:41] <zingz0r> Hi!
[11:42] <zingz0r> I'd like to backup my server with rsync and I like to know which folders should i backup before upgrade server?
[11:50] <rbasak> zingz0r: I would back up *everything*. Makes a rollback really easy.
[11:51] <rbasak> (well, relatively)
[11:51] <rbasak> zingz0r: see /proc/mounts and the rsync -x option.
[11:51] <rbasak> You'll want to grab every real filesystem on your system, but not the virtual ones.
[11:54] <zingz0r> okay
[11:54] <zingz0r> thank you
[12:19] <hateball> zingz0r: fwiw, I tend to clone the entire disk (clonezilla) before making big changes. Or snapshot if virtual
[12:19] <hateball> less headache than missing that one vital file
[12:21] <zingz0r> rsync -aAXv --exclude={"dontneeded folders","1","2"} /* /backup
[12:21] <zingz0r> its okay? dsnt?
[12:44] <lordievader> zingz0r: You could also checkout dirvish, it uses rsync underneath.
[13:01] <coreycb> jamespage, can you promote ceilometer from trusty-kilo-proposed? testing is complete.
[13:01] <coreycb> jamespage, can you also promote python-saharaclient from trusty-liberty-staging? testing is complete for that too.
[13:20] <T3DY> :)
[13:26] <T3DY> dw1.xyz
[13:44] <jamespage> coreycb, ack on it now
[13:47] <AtuM> when will Ubuntu get teaming for network? I can't find packages for "libteam" or "teamd".. but I can create a team using ip tools..
[13:50] <dw1> aww ye
[13:55] <rbasak> cpaelzer: in https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/dpdk/commit/?h=ubuntu-xenial&id=b5b9a5d95a9ee17fff1642f41c78e112a0aabbc4 why add /usr/bin to the PATH if the goal is to avoid dependency on /usr?
[13:57] <rbasak> AtuM: back in April, apparantely. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libteam
[13:57] <rbasak> No idea if it works though.
[14:08] <AtuM> I've tried to install in on 14.04.3.. probably need to wait for the next lts
[14:11] <rbasak> Well, 14.04 was released before last April.
[14:12] <rbasak> If you don't want to update to the latest release (understandable for LTS-ness), then a consequence is that you don't generally get to enjoy the latest features.
[14:14] <cpaelzer> rbasak
[14:14] <cpaelzer> rabasak, sorry for prematurely pressing enter :-)
[14:15] <cpaelzer> rbasak, the intention after some disussion was to avoid the same bug showing up again in case one doesn't remember some day and adds a piece to the init script
[14:16] <rbasak> cpaelzer: is there any way we can test directly instead, say using dep8?
[14:16] <cpaelzer> rbasak, the reason why we not "just added the path" alone was that others suggested /usr could not be mounted in rare cases
[14:18] <cpaelzer> rbasak, once we have a way to safely derive all binaries called from a shell script the rest would likely be easy
[14:19] <rbasak> cpaelzer, smb: would it be possible to have a dep8 test that requires virt isolation, checks that there is exactly one mount, restarts the service and checks that there is exactly one mount again?
[14:21] <smb> rbasak, maybe...
[14:26] <cpaelzer> rbasak, but that test would only cover one specific symptom of the underlying issue
[14:26] <rbasak> cpaelzer: what's the underlying issue?
[14:27] <cpaelzer> rbasak, that referring to /usr/ binaries needs a PATH to there set, and even if it is it could sometimes break if /usr is not yet mounted at the time being executed
[14:27] <rbasak> cpaelzer: I disagree. I'd say that the underlying issue is that the service start is supposed to make sure that hugetlbfs is mounted, and it doesn't. That's the functionality expected, so we should test for that.
[14:28] <rbasak> cpaelzer: similarly we should test any other functionality we add in packaging if we can.
[14:28] <cpaelzer> rbasak, ok from a "function test" POV thats right
[14:28] <rbasak> cpaelzer: it's true that if /usr isn't mounted then that could fail
[14:28] <rbasak> As in false negative
[14:28] <rbasak> As the dep8 test won't be unmounting /usr
[14:29] <rbasak> And I admit that that is a case that probably isn't worth testing as it's too convoluted to test easily.
[14:29] <rbasak> But we should be able to test the basic functionality.
[14:29] <cpaelzer> rbasak, from your suggestion I'd even say start with no hugepages mountpoint and execute the init sript two times
[14:29] <cpaelzer> it should be there after the first call
[14:29] <cpaelzer> and it should still be there but only once after the second
[14:29] <rbasak> Yeah that would be fine. It depends on how you orchestrate the test.
[14:30] <rbasak> If you add the package as a test dependency, then the test running framework will already have run the postinst and thus the init script once I think.
[14:30] <rbasak> OTOH you could choose not to list it as a test dependency and install it manually.
[14:36] <cpaelzer> rbasak, to sum things up for the review of smb's upload request - do you want us to add such a test before accepting it?
[14:37] <rbasak> cpaelzer: yes please.
[14:37] <smb> bugger
[14:37] <rbasak> Does that hold anything up?
[14:38] <jamespage> coreycb, is the ceilometer update in vivid as well?
[14:38] <smb> rbasak, It holds up my getting rid of it for Xenial
[14:38] <cpaelzer> it holds up smb getting rid of it :-)
[14:38] <cpaelzer> and dpeending on how long it takes the MIR processing
[14:38] <cpaelzer> but I guess they trust us when we say dependency gets remove
[14:38] <cpaelzer> d
[14:38] <smb> cpaelzer, Also it becomes a little more complicated to properly do now that git is pushed with tags
[14:39] <rbasak> smb: don't worry about the tag. It's nowhere official yet. You can delete the tag with git push --delete
[14:39] <smb> cpaelzer, More or less open a new version and create the upload in a way containing both version changelogs
[14:39] <smb> rbasak, also in lp git?
[14:39] <cpaelzer> smb, I really think this can just be another spin of ..ubuntu2
[14:40] <rbasak> smb: even in lp git. It's just a random repo currently, not official anything. Nothing git is officially tied to packages yet anyway.
[14:40] <coreycb> jamespage, no. arges, can you promote ceilometer from vivid-proposed today?
[14:40] <smb> rbasak, for some reason I assumed lp git makes it hard to delete tags
[14:41] <jamespage> coreycb, I normally gate on the main SRU process completing first...
[14:41] <smb> rbasak, if that is possible then it might be just a respin
[14:41] <coreycb> jamespage, yep, I'll ping you when it's in vivid-updates
[14:41] <rbasak> smb, cpaelzer: everything else looks fine to upload in the current tree, assuming it all works. I haven't tried a test build to see the result of https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/dpdk/commit/?h=ubuntu-xenial&id=0c85a8e0d245f7d0d32999489b088b559c40153e so I'm assuming it's OK too.
[14:41] <smb> rbasak, I did build the tree version
[14:42] <smb> rbasak, in both xenial and wily
[14:42] <rbasak> smb: it's really easy to delete git tags. So yes you should be able to update the proposed ubuntu2.
[14:42] <smb> though I won't backport the font change to wily
[14:42] <smb> rbasak, normal git yes, I just was not sure about lp's implementation there
[14:43] <rbasak> lp doesn't seem to object to any kind of force push.
[14:43] <rbasak> It seems to work as if I had a remote ssh server with no surprises.
[14:44] <rbasak> Though it would be nice if I could restrict force push to team admins or something to prevent accidents.
[14:45] <smb> rbasak, ok, have not tried. maybe we use a stricter set of rules for the kernel. just remember hearing it being said to be hard. Not tried that either
[14:46] * smb wonders whether cpaelzer would volunteer for the dep8 thing since he did all the discussion on it already (and I am currently tied up in something else)
[14:49] * cpaelzer is willin to start a battle who is more tied up with smb
[14:49] <cpaelzer> smb is there an online app for drawing straws?
[14:49] * smb checks the appstore
[14:51] <cpaelzer> smb it seems it isn't today or tomorrow for either of us - lets discuss monday morning
[14:51] <smb> cpaelzer, maybe we can quickly sync on the busy state tomorrow and see
[14:51] <smb> or that
[14:51] <cpaelzer> we can even make remote hangout straw drawing if we want
[14:51] <jamespage> coreycb, saharaclient -> proposed for liberty
[14:52] <coreycb> jamespage, thanks
[14:54] <rbasak> roaksoax: it looks like freeipmi quite badly needs a merge this cycle. I know MAAS has been involved with it. Will this impact you?
[14:54] <rbasak> Or do you want to take on the merge?
[15:00] <roaksoax> rbasak: no shouldn't impact me at all
[15:00] <rbasak> roaksoax: OK thanks
[15:16] <rbasak> matsubara: around? I'm looking for the test case reviews I was asked to do but I can't seem to find them. The URLs from the meeting 404.
[15:22] <matsubara> rbasak, they might have been deleted.
[15:22] <matsubara> rbasak, would have to ask psivaa and om26er
[15:24] <matsubara> rbasak, I asked psivaa in #ubuntu-devel.
[15:46] <jge> Hey guys, good morning. I'm trying to install a specific version of nginx with 'nginx=version' but I get a bunch of umet package dependencies, it will always try to install the most recent candidate version for dependencies. Any way of telling apt to grab the necessary versions to meet these dependencies without doing it manually?
[15:51] <rbasak> jge: installing old versions means that you're effectively opting out of security updates and installing a vulnerable deployment. Is that really what you want?
[15:52] <rbasak> jge: I'm not sure how exactly to get apt to do that, but adjusting pinning and scores might be able to achieve it, I'm not sure.
[15:56] <jge> rbasak: well, what I do is install the version I want then bring this version up to the most latest security version out there.
[15:56] <jge> I only do security updates
[15:56] <rbasak> You won't get security updates if you have to force apt around.
[15:57] <teward> ^ that
[16:00] <Yossarianuk> hi - in order to get mkhomedir with freeipa-client working in Ubuntu I have to edit the fie -> /etc/pam.d/common-session and add the line - session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel umask=0022
[16:00] <Yossarianuk> this is ok however is there a danger my change will be overwritten ?
[16:00] <Yossarianuk> (on a update, etc)
[16:00] <Yossarianuk> ts odd though - that file was brought in via the freeipa-client package (or dependency) but dpkg -S /etc/pam.d/common-session shows no package ...
[16:00] <Yossarianuk> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/pam.d/common-session
[16:01] <Yossarianuk> why is that ?
[16:01] <jge> rbasak: so just to be clear, if I use apt-get install package=version and then try to use unatendded-upgrades with only security updates allowed it wont work?
[16:01] <Yossarianuk> same for -> dpkg -S /etc/sssd/sssd.conf
[16:01] <Yossarianuk> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/sssd/sssd.conf
[16:01] <jge> and by working I mean, will no longer get security updates
[16:01] <Yossarianuk> (these packages are in the default Ubuntu 14.04 repo)
[16:02] <rbasak> jge: I can only say that it may not work. I can't say for certain that it won't. But it isn't a supported path to use anything but the latest version of a package visible to apt.
[16:02] <rbasak> jge: if you have some reason to use an older version, then we should address that, rather than trying to plaster over it.
[16:03] <rbasak> Yossarianuk: policy says that upgrades should never stomp on changes you make manually in /etc. However there could be a bug in implementation of course.
[16:04] <rbasak> Yossarianuk: you may need to manually merge changes during an update though, since scripts can't generally automatically work out what you mean and apply that to a newer version of the file.
[16:04] <rbasak> Yossarianuk: not all files in /etc will be known by dpkg. There is default handling, but packages can also generate and manage files themselves in maintainer scripts and in that case dpkg doesn't see them.
[16:05] <rbasak> jge: put another way, security updates bump the version number to one higher than all previously published in a given series. So if there is some reason to have an old version, that is already lower than a future security update.
[16:06] <rbasak> jge: so it makes no logical sense to have an older version and also expect security updates.
[16:06] <rbasak> Security updates are applied on the latest version for a given series.
[16:10] <jge> rbasak: hmm ok, so how come I'm seeing this security update on the last version? https://zerobin.net/?a5b3111921fb5a1e#ovjqbTtQT0x62l64nqvirXQEVFVCGcNVGUrkEuIqTY4=
[16:10] <teward> ehehehehe
[16:11] <teward> jge: trusty-security is the security updates
[16:11] <teward> trusty-updates is the 'updates' that happen to fix bugs
[16:11] <teward> (non-security in nature)
[16:11] <teward> if you want only security updates then you should not have -updates enabled
[16:11] <teward> but you will miss bug fixes and other issues
[16:11] * teward would know the nature of that package since he is the 'maintainer' of it in Ubuntu now
[16:11] <jge> Yeah I'm aware of this
[16:12] <jge> i do not have updates enable, I use unattended-updates with security origins only allowed
[16:12] <jge> enabled*
[16:13] <jge> maybe I'm not explaining myself all that good :D
[16:13] <jge> let me try it again..
[16:13] <rbasak> jge: start with explaining why you are installing an older version.
[16:13] <Yossarianuk> rbasak: thanks for the explanation
[16:14] <Yossarianuk> still unsure why the line isn't added by default - it is in the Fedora/rhel packages.
[16:14] <Yossarianuk> I guess backing up the files regularly will be a good plan.
[16:15] <rbasak> Yossarianuk: it's reasonable to expect that install a PAM module will enable it automatically. I'm not sure that's necessarily a good idea though; it's fraught with danger.
[16:15] <rbasak> Also you might be installing a PAM module for a particular case but not want it in the general case, in which case adjusting common-session would be the wrong thing to do.
[16:16] <rbasak> For example I use libpam-google-authenticator but only with ssh and not common-session.
[16:17] <jge> rbasak: I would like to keep a consistent version across all servers, I wouldn't like someone to build a server and just install the latest out there. This will cause different versioning of software cross our fleets, so my idea was to install a base version shipped with 14.04 LTS and then bring this version to the latest security version
[16:17] <jge> hope that makes better sense :(
[16:17] <rbasak> jge: that's a reasonable thing to want to do.
[16:17] <Yossarianuk> rbasak: cheers again !
[16:17] <rbasak> Yossarianuk: no problem! I hope that was helpful.
[16:18] <rbasak> jge: an easier way might be to install without -updates or -security enabled at all.
[16:18] <rbasak> jge: and *then* enable -security only if you wish.
[16:18] <jge> yep that's what I currently do
[16:18] <Yossarianuk> aside from having to modify that and /etc/sssd/sssd.conf (to add sudo to services) the ipa-client package works fine in the default ubuntu package (in 14.04 at least)
[16:18] <rbasak> So then you shouldn't need apt to force versions?
[16:19] <jge> rbasak: thing is that when I build a new box, and use apt-get install nginx, it will always install the latest (candidate) version
[16:19] <rbasak> jge: not if it doesn't have -updates or -security enabled.
[16:19] <rbasak> jge: then it'll install the release pocket version only.
[16:20] <rbasak> jge: when I say "enabled", I mean "visible to apt via sources.list".
[16:22] <jge> rbasak: that's what I thought too, I did a fresh install last night and checked the candidate version and it has 3.3 as candidate
[16:22] <jge> which is the latest
[16:22] <jge> maybe because I did a apt-get udpate?
[16:22] <rbasak> I don't think you have tuned your sources.list
[16:22] <rbasak> Look at the output of "apt-cache policy" and it'll tell you where it is picking up 3.3 from.
[16:23] <rbasak> 3.3 is in trusty-updates only, therefore you must have it enabled.
[16:23] <teward> ^ that
[16:23] <teward> (which is what I was saying xD)
[16:24] <jge> hmm ok, I see what you're saying
[16:24] <jge> let me check
[16:25] <teward> though I strongly recommend using the version *in* updates... if only because there's a fairly huge initscript pidfile extraction fix
[16:25] <teward> it didn't qualify as a security bug, but it was a fairly huge issue
[16:26] <teward> (lots of bugs on it)
[16:26] <jge> damnit, I thought during the installation there was a prompt to turn updates off
[16:26] <jge> i have them enabled :*
[16:27] <teward> jge: there's the problem then :)
[16:28] <teward> though keep in mind what I did just say - there's a pidfile extraction fix in the initscript, so if you have complex regex or such in the nginx configurations it can completely fail
[16:28] <jge> YESSSS now i see candidate only coming from trusty-security which is the same version I have in production
[16:31] <jge> i'm wondering now why you would use unattended-upgrades with only security updates enabled, when you can just disable regular udpates on your sources.list?
[16:31] <rbasak> You might want an attended update from -updates :)
[16:33] <jge> that's true.
[16:34] <jge> so now that only security updates are allowed, if I run "apt-get upgrade" on this box it will only do security updates correct?
[16:34] <jge> or in this case candidate version from trusty-security
[16:36] <teward> right
[16:36] <teward> but you won't be able to install from -updates, now
[16:36] <teward> even manually
[16:36] <teward> (because the system now doesn't realize there's items in that repository)
[16:36] <jge> understood
[16:37] <jge> rbasak, teward: you guys are great, thanks for your help.
[16:39] <rbasak> No problem.
[16:40] <teward> that's what we're here for :)
[16:40] <teward> rbasak: FYI: nginx merge stalled, i'm running into package conflicts that are headaches (the fact I have to do it from source packages directly rather than a nice VCS / UDD approach for it is causing headaches)
[16:41] <teward> manual pushes later won't be an issue, it's just the initial merge to the 1.9.x branches that're giving headaches :/
[16:41] <rbasak> teward: I use git: http://www.justgohome.co.uk/blog/2014/08/ubuntu-git-merge-workflow.html
[16:41] <rbasak> (for merges)
[16:41] <teward> *steals*
[16:42] <teward> rbasak: thank you kindly! (bzr != option because the Xenial code branches aren't available... which hampers those of us who use the UDD process)
[17:09] <rbasak> jcastro: ^
[17:19] <rbasak> teward: let me know if you need any help with that
[17:19] <rbasak> teward: the future will be dgit I think. See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-November/039010.html
[17:29] <jge> so now I'm stuck with an ansible playbook which does not support "apt-get upgrade", only supports aptitude. Someone suggested using the "hold" parameter to achieve the same behavior, but I'm not familiar with aptitude. Anyone know how this can be done?
[23:18] <grendal_prime> ok im trying to set up an email server..."zimbra" to be exact...i aparently have totally lost all understanding of how dns works?
[23:19] <grendal_prime> the zimbra server is behind a linux software router using iptables. I have opened ports 110 25 and995 and forwarded those ports to the zimbra server.
[23:20] <grendal_prime> I have pointed my mx record at netsol to my ip address
[23:20] <trippeh_> mx has to point to a name
[23:20] <trippeh_> then name points to ip address
[23:21] <grendal_prime> when i run the config for zimbra it complains about DNS ERROR - none of the MX records for mail.mydomain.com resolve
[23:21] <grendal_prime> ok..so if my domain is mydomain.com...and it points to the correct ip..
[23:21] <quantic> MX records cannot point to an IP. They must point to an A or AAAA record.
[23:21] <teward> grendal_prime: DNS entry: mail.mydomain.com A yourip
[23:21] <teward> MX points to mail.mydomain.com
[23:21] <teward> but note if the IP is dynamic and on a residential provider you may get blacklisted
[23:22] <teward> so then mail isn't sent/received
[23:22] <teward> (and your ISP may block as well)
[23:22] <quantic> (almost definitely.)
[23:22] <grendal_prime> oooo ok im pointing it to mail.mydomain.com and i just have an a record of mydomain.com
[23:22] <teward> grendal_prime: yeah, wheverver the MX points must resolve
[23:22] <teward> for example..
[23:22] <grendal_prime> no its b2b comcast
[23:22] <quantic> Also, an MX record cannot point to a CNAME. It MUST be an A record.
[23:22] <teward> 'b2b' = ?
[23:22] <teward> quantic: or AAAA
[23:22] <grendal_prime> comcast built 4 business..
[23:23] <quantic> teward: I figured that was sort of implicit. :P
[23:23] <grendal_prime> sorry b4b
[23:23] <teward> ah
[23:23] <teward> quantic: :P
[23:23] <grendal_prime> if i run a test from http://www.websitepulse.com/help/testtools.mx-lookup-test.html it does resolve...werid
[23:23] <quantic> grendal_prime: what's the domain name in question?
[23:24] <grendal_prime> quantic sent to you prvt
[23:25] <grendal_prime> cause its a secret...just kidding...
[23:25] <quantic> grendal_prime: current records look OK.
[23:26] <grendal_prime> ya i just changed them
[23:26] <trippeh_> local dns cache may be outdated then
[23:26] <grendal_prime> now here is the thing, it use to be a gmail hosted domain
[23:27] <grendal_prime> if i send something to that account now though and i log into it, it never comes through so im assuming thats not working anymore
[23:30] <grendal_prime> ok
[23:31] <grendal_prime> so the zimbra install is trying to resolve booksnmore.com but it is aparently unable to do so because it just comes back to say it cant do this.
[23:32] <grendal_prime> if i log into the box second ssh session and ping from there it resolves correctly ..
[23:32] <grendal_prime> host name of the email server would need to be "booksnmore.com" correct?
[23:35] <grendal_prime> so hosts file would be.... firstline 1127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost second line 192.168.100.100 booksnmore.com
[23:46] <RoyK> grendal_prime: 1127.0.0.1 seems like a rather wierd address ;)
[23:46] <grendal_prime> sorry two many 1s...thats its really just 127
[23:47] <grendal_prime> zimbra gives examples of zimbra.booksnmore.com
[23:47] <RoyK> grendal_prime: do you have a DNS entry for that server?
[23:47] <grendal_prime> i have one for booksnmore.com
[23:48] <RoyK> grendal_prime: then you should not need a hosts entry
[23:48] <quantic> RoyK: iirc, zimbra demands that they exist.
[23:48] <grendal_prime> do i need to create another a record of like...zimbra.booksnmore.com and then point the mx record to that?
[23:48] <RoyK> quantic: yeah
[23:49] <sarnold> does zimbra demand that forward and reverse lookups need to match?
[23:49] <RoyK> sarnold: no
[23:49] * RoyK uses zimbra without a reverse
[23:49] <sarnold> aha
[23:49] <grendal_prime> ok RoyK
[23:50] <RoyK> grendal_prime: there may be more help in #zimbra - last I checked, zimbra isn't packaged with ubuntu
[23:50] <grendal_prime> so if i have booksnmore.com and it resolves for all other services..i should be able to make an mx record for just booksnmore.com correct?
[23:51] <RoyK> booksnmore.com. 7200 IN MX 10 booksnmore.com.
[23:51] <RoyK> ooks ok
[23:51] <RoyK> looks ok to me
[23:51] <grendal_prime> ok
[23:51] <grendal_prime> what do you use to check that by the way..
[23:52] <RoyK> dig mx yourdomain.com
[23:52] <grendal_prime> im using a service but i would like to just ping it somehow
[23:52] <grendal_prime> oh it is dig ok thanks
[23:56] <grendal_prime> ok so at my router then i need to forward ports...25, 110 to the zimbra sever
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[00:42] <robru> omg I'm so sorry for all the spam today guys I promise this'll settle down son
[00:42] <robru> soon
[09:07] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2, rvr: hey! How did the auto-testing of the new rc image go>
[09:08] <davmor2> sil2100: no idea
[09:09] <jibel> sil2100, it's okay, I re-ran most of the failures manually and it's good
[09:10] <sil2100> Ok then, so we're basically good to go
[09:11] <sil2100> Now the question is, should I publish..?
[09:12] <robru> sil2100: please publish something, it'll be the first since my rollout this morning, I need to see if it explodes before I can sleep
[09:15] <sil2100> There's nothing ready for publishing! Sadly
[09:25] <robru> sil2100: I don't anticipate any problems publishing, the changes to the publish job are minimal. In case of trouble you might need IGNORE_VERSIONDESTINATION, worst case just copy packages manually and the train will still notice & report migration anyway
[09:27] <robru> Mirv: let me know if the bot pings too much, it may make sense to prevent it pinging if there status contains "currently building" or something
[09:33] <Mirv> robru: it's ok, I'm doing stuff in the silo so it's just good.
[10:05] <morphis> Mirv: do you know what is wrong with https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-052-1-build/80/console?
[10:05] <morphis> or sil2100, robru ?
[10:06] <morphis> its just a rebuild after I've updated the MP and there are no further changes in the :parent branch
[10:08] <sil2100> robru: the requests page basic filtering (Migrating etc.) doesn't work with the new statuses
[10:08] <popey> jibel, New Music app is ready for testing https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/679
[10:08] <sil2100> morphis: there's a ubuntu-system-settings in the proposed pocket right now that needs to be merged for you to re-build your packages
[10:08] <robru> sil2100: crap sorry will fix tomorrow, use searches for now
[10:08] <jibel> popey, okay, must it wait for the new bgplaylist support to land too?
[10:08] <popey> no
[10:08] <popey> this doesn't include that
[10:09] <morphis> sil2100: ah I see
[10:09] <sil2100> morphis: this error basically says: hey, there's a version of this package in the archive that's missing in trunk
[10:09] <popey> this is mostly uitk1.3
[10:09] <morphis> sil2100: when will that happen?
[10:09] <sil2100> morphis: and it's missing in trunk as the package didn't migrate yet so the changes weren't merged
[10:09] <robru> morphis: you can use force build to get around this for now but be aware that's just ignoring the issue, will require a rebuild after that other silo mergers
[10:09] <sil2100> robru: I wouldn't do that now
[10:09] <sil2100> Since I know that some migrations are blocked right now
[10:10] <robru> sil2100: right but presumably he wants to test his branch without being blocked by unrelated silos.
[10:11] <morphis> sil2100, robru: I pushed changes we need to land everything
[10:11] <sil2100> I see that the autopkgtests are in progress, so it's not blocked by the standard issues
[10:11] <sil2100> Ok, so maybe you can force-rebuild to get something testable, but you'll need to rebuild once again after this migrates
[10:11] <sil2100> So as you prefer
[10:14] <robru> morphis: yeah if you build now and then publish, it will effectively revert the package that's currently in proposed, that's why this check exists, it tries to prevent you from building a weird package. So you can override it if you want to, but just be aware you'll need to rebuild again to incorporate the other changes once the other silo lands. Train will
[10:14] <robru> notify you when the other one lands and its ready to rebuild
[10:15] <morphis> robru: thanks, how long will that take?
[10:16] <robru> morphis: unknown, there's a delay in autopkgtests right now due to some large backlog.
[10:18] <morphis> hm
[10:18] <morphis> robru: which would mean we could be blocked for days or hours on landing things?
[10:19] <robru> morphis: yep. If it's really urgent we can consider a force merge to move things along but that's a desperate measure
[10:19] <robru> morphis: you can follow along here: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntu-system-settings
[10:21] <morphis> ah, thanks
[10:22] <morphis> davmor2: ^^
[10:25] <davmor2> morphis: wompwompwomp.com
[10:26] <morphis> :(
[10:27] <Mirv> robru: let me just say aloud I love the fully automatic status updating
[10:30] <davmor2> morphis: ^ is that it built
[10:30] <davmor2> morphis: or is that a problem
[10:31] <morphis> davmor2: no that one is what is building now and should succeed
[10:31] <morphis> 1:6.0-0ubuntu9.7 is the version
[10:32] <pete-woods> ^ needs a packaging ack
[10:33] <pete-woods> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-022-2-publish/59/artifact/gmenuharness_packaging_changes.diff
[10:39] <morphis> davmor2: I forced a rebuild of settings-app now too
[10:39] <morphis> davmor2: so that we have something to test with
[10:39] <Mirv> pete-woods: could you use export QT_SELECT := qt5 instead of depending on qt5-default?
[10:40] <Mirv> pete-woods: mostly because Debian does not like the latter and may remove it at some point
[10:40] <pete-woods> Mirv: sure, do you put that in debian/rules
[10:40] <pete-woods> ?
[10:40] <Mirv> pete-woods: example http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtdeclarative.git/tree/debian/rules?h=ubuntu
[10:40] <Mirv> pete-woods: yes
[10:41] <pete-woods> okay, rebuilding
[10:42] <bzoltan_> Mirv: I would need a silo to fix this translation issue - https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/680
[10:42] <Mirv> bzoltan_: oh right we're low on them. ok.
[10:42] <Mirv> bzoltan_: done
[10:42] <bzoltan_> Mirv: thank you
[10:45] <bzoltan_> Mirv: seb128:Now I hav a problem - https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-010-1-build/262/console This landing does not start because the previous is not landed yet...
[10:54] <robru> Mirv: Haha thanks
[10:57] <robru> bzoltan_: just force build to get past that
[10:59] <robru> Oh gad it's 3am. Night
[10:59] <Mirv> robru: night!
[11:05] <bzoltan_> robru: Thanks, and good night
[11:54] <victorp> sil2100, hi
[11:54] <victorp> did you get my email?
[11:55] <jibel> victorp, he's away ATM and should be back after 1300
[11:55] <jibel> so soon-ish
[11:55] <victorp> jibel, np - I just saw that you replied. Just wanted to check you had it
[12:24] <pete-woods> Mirv: hi, I've fixed the qt default thing now ^
[12:33] <pete-woods> (new diff https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-022-2-publish/60/artifact/gmenuharness_packaging_changes.diff)
[12:34] <sil2100> victorp: Im on lunch now, will check the email once I'm fully back
[12:34] <sil2100> victorp: do we have a final decision on the release?
[12:34] <sil2100> Are we good to go?
[12:39] <Mirv> pete-woods: it claims it unity MP has new commits, and the train is usually right about these things? someone has pushed something since the last build
[12:40] <Mirv> pete-woods: sorry, wrong silo
[12:40] <Mirv> pete-woods: just a moment!
[12:43] <Mirv> pete-woods: publish done, next xenial proposed migration
[12:48] <pete-woods> Mirv: thanks! you had me worried there for a second
[12:48] <pete-woods> thought I'd modified unity8 somehow
[12:49] <Mirv> pete-woods: :)
[12:56] <victorp> sil2100, check the email ;P
[14:23] <pmcgowan> sil2100, published?
[14:47] <mzanetti> cihelp: hey, we're still having issues that we can't access logs from our CI jobs. Can anyone help please?
[14:47] <mzanetti> for example: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/move-screenshots-to-tests/+merge/276798
[14:47] <mzanetti> https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/move-screenshots-to-tests/+merge/276798/comments/703590
[14:47] <mzanetti> only the first 2 links are working, the rest gives a 404
[14:49] <fginther> mzanetti, hunh, I'm surprised any of them our working. We've been fighting a problem with build publishing since the upgrade
[14:49] <mzanetti> fginther, ack, thanks. Just wanted to make sure it's not our instance alone that's broken while you guys think all is fine. If you're working on it, all is fine.
[14:49] <fginther> mzanetti, in all cases, you should be able to get the results by swapping "https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com" to "http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/" until the problem is fixed
[14:49] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, ^
[14:50] <tsdgeos> k
[14:57] <mardy> Mirv: hi! Is there something you can do to unfreeze https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/591 ? I see that there's an autopcktest failure, but that's some dependency error out of my control
[15:21] <renatu> cihelp, could you create this silo? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/682, I am getting this message: ''ERROR Assignment failed: Low on silos: Ask a trainguard to assign.''
[15:21] <josepht> renatu: that's a request for trainguards
[15:22] <sil2100> renatu: yep, poke trainguards for this kind of thing - on it now
[15:23] <renatu> josepht, sil2100 , ok thanks
[15:23] <sil2100> renatu: done
[16:13] <rvr> mzanetti: Silo 60 approved
[16:14] <mzanetti> rvr, woot! thanks!
[16:42] <robru> alex-abreu: digging into this exception, gimme a minue
[16:43] <alex-abreu> robru, thx
[16:44] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can we get a silo for https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/683 ?
[16:45] <robru> oSoMoN: 22:
[16:45] <robru> oSoMoN: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/prepare-silo/6531/console
[16:45] <oSoMoN> robru, thanks
[16:46] <robru> oSoMoN: you're welcome
[16:49] <robru> alex-abreu: ok I have a fix in trunk, will hit production in ~30 min, try again then.
[16:50] <alex-abreu> robru, ok thx
[17:17] <bfiller> sil2100, robru: can you please add nerochiaro (lp name uriboni) to have access to citrain to create silos, etc?
[17:18] <robru> bfiller: on it
[17:18] <bfiller> robru: thanks
[17:19] <robru> bfiller: done. You're welcome
[17:20] <bfiller> nerochiaro: try logging out and back in, should be all set
[17:21] <nerochiaro> bfiller: looks like it's working. thanks. any document i should read to understand the process ? i don't want to annoy people with questions
[17:22] <bfiller> nerochiaro: not sure about that, but I can give you some quick tips. probably best when you want to create a new silo and can walk you through it
[17:23] <nerochiaro> bfiller: ok, let's do it that way
[17:23] <bfiller> nerochiaro: it's for the most part self-explanatory, but couple of things you should be aware of
[17:27] <robru> nerochiaro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/LandingProcess don't hesitate to ask questions, I'd rather answer questions than fix mistakes
[17:28] <robru> nerochiaro: but there are very few mistakes that can't be fixed by a rebuild so don't be afraid to experiment
[17:32] <nerochiaro> robru: excellent, thanks
[17:32] <robru> nerochiaro: you're welcome!
[17:36] <pmcgowan> robru, why don't I see silo-009 on the citrain requests page
[17:37] <robru> pmcgowan: looks fine to me? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/silo/009 where are you looking?
[17:38] <pmcgowan> robru, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#
[17:40] <robru> pmcgowan: second page
[17:40] <robru> pmcgowan: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#?limit=50&page=2
[17:41] <sil2100> pmcgowan: the requests page is paged, you need to click the "... older ..." button at the bottom
[17:41] <sil2100> Or simply search by silo
[17:41] <pmcgowan> robru, oh, stupid me
[17:41] <pmcgowan> had no idea
[17:41] <robru> Looks like i need to do something about these device tarball requests, they don't go through Jenkins so they don't get marked as landed and cleared from the list
[17:42] <robru> pmcgowan: it's sorted by request number so if you're looking for a silo number it's easier to search than to browse the list
[17:43] <pmcgowan> robru, yeah I got used to just using search in page in the browser
[17:43] <robru> pmcgowan: yeah unfortunately the performance of the page suffers if more than 50 requests are shown so i had to paginate it
[17:43] <pmcgowan> robru, so how would I search for media-hub requests
[17:44] <pmcgowan> if i click the search options nothing happens
[17:44] <robru> pmcgowan: there's a search field in the right hand bar. Type media-hub and "search active silos" you can even bookmark your searches
[17:44] <robru> Search options?
[17:44] <pmcgowan> oh I see
[17:45] <pmcgowan> robru, thanks
[17:45] <robru> pmcgowan: you're welcome! Also "show silo #" is for directly jumping to a specific silo number if you know the number you want to see
[19:01] <rvr> mzanetti: ping
[19:18] <robru> alex-abreu: oh god it's still broken sorry
[19:27] <mterry> robru, love the status changes (new line and clearer text). One thing I just noted. I updated a unity8 branch but haven't built yet, and the status says it is dirty for xenial only but is fine for vivid
[19:28] <robru> mterry: yeah, that's expected, because the vivid package isn't built from MPs, it's built by copying the MP dir. so the vivid package has no way to know there's new commits because it is handled by a separate class that has no knowledge of commits. rest assured though it's not possible to build just the xenial bit, when you rebuild one you rebuild both.
[19:31] * robru is thinking that I should probably hide the package list when all packages have the same status just like I did with the arch list.
[19:31] <boiko> robru: would you mind triggering a rebuild of dialer-app for ppc64el xenial in silo 25?
[19:32] <robru> boiko: done
[19:32] <boiko> robru: thanks!
[19:32] <robru> boiko: you're welcome!
[19:36] <robru> alex-abreu: ok I have another fix, more confidence in this one, just waiting for webops to get back from lunch to get it into production
[19:36] <alex-abreu> robru, ok :) ... same timeline ?
[19:37] <alex-abreu> robru, what causes the issue ? is it specific to this silo ?
[19:38] <robru> alex-abreu: this issue would be effecting anybody trying to build a package that doesn't exist in ubuntu archive. I made some changes recently and this regressed. last fix was a gamble, this fix is similar to reverting the change that caused the issue so it should be good.
[19:38] <alex-abreu> thx
[19:39] <robru> alex-abreu: cron will always roll out the fix at 17 minutes past the hour, but I need webops anyway for other stuff I'm doing so I'm trying to get them to roll everything out sooner, but the guy's on lunch
[19:39] <robru> alex-abreu: you're welcome. sorry for the hassle!
[19:39] <alex-abreu> np
[19:41] <mzanetti> rvr, pong
[19:47] <boiko> robru: is there still a "watch-only" build job or will silo 25 pick the new status (packages built) automatically at some point?
[19:47] <robru> alex-abreu: ok, got it. trying again: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-045-1-build/104/console
[19:47] <robru> boiko: I just eliminated watch-only because the train is now ALWAYS watching ;-)
[19:48] <alex-abreu> robru, thx
[19:48] <robru> alex-abreu: you're welcome
[19:48] <boiko> robru: ok, does it poll from time to time or the failed to build status there is a bug?
[19:49] <robru> boiko: it polls every 30 minutes.
[19:49] <boiko> robru: ok, thanks
[19:49] <robru> boiko: you're welcome. in fact it's starting a poll now: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/check-publication-migration/27097/console should get to your silo in a few minutes
[19:50] <robru> it's on my TODO list to speed this up
[19:56] <robru> yay
[20:22] <robru> alex-abreu: oops, don't let that status fool you, packages are in PPA and building.
[20:23] <alex-abreu> robru, :)
[21:52] <greyback_> trainguards: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#liburcu <- the amd64 test has been stuck a long time now, can it be kicked?
[21:58] <robru> greyback_: what's "a long time"? Last i heard there was a big backlog and you just have to wait. I don't have any power over autopkgtests
[21:59] <greyback_> robru: at least 3 hours since i last looked. Other tests appear to only take 5 mins, hence was curious
[22:03] <robru> greyback_: i got a mail from pitti yesterday saying there's a big backlog on amd64 due to a big KDE landing. Not sure if that's cleared up yet or not
[22:03] <greyback_> robru: perhaps that's it then. Sorry for the noise
[22:06] <robru> greyback_: no worries, from what i understand the infra is pretty strained. I don't think 3 hours is crazy long. I'd start being worried around 12 hours or something.
[22:06] <greyback_> robru: ok. See you in 9 hours ;)
[22:07] <robru> Heh
[22:56] <kenvandine> robru, check this out
[22:56] <kenvandine> 2015-11-19 21:15:35,091 ERROR Bileto says: 500 INTERNAL SERVER ERROR
[22:56] <robru> Ugh
[22:56] <kenvandine> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/443
[22:57] <kenvandine> it still says Beginning publication
[22:57] <kenvandine> but i'm pretty sure it's done publishing
[22:57] <kenvandine> robru, i was stress testing bileto... 33 packages :)
[22:57] <kenvandine> robru, gotta love webapps!
[23:00] <robru> kenvandine: huh, the audit log says release pocket, that implies it migrated, not sure why it would be updating the audit log but falling to set the status
[23:01] <kenvandine> robru, yeah... can i merge it?
[23:01] <kenvandine> or do you want to debug?
[23:02] <robru> kenvandine: you can merge it if you're blocked, looks like a db field length issue indeed, i thought i took all the length limits off already though...
[23:03] <kenvandine> robru, not blocked... just want it off my plate
[23:03] <kenvandine> but i don't mind leaving it for you to debug
[23:03] <kenvandine> just click merge when you're done :)
[23:05] <robru> kenvandine: k, leave it with me.
[23:05] <kenvandine> robru, i need to take off for the evening, thanks!
[23:05] <robru> kenvandine: you're welcome
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2024-05-13T22:11:29.188832
| 2015-11-19T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-si
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[06:48] <slax0r> jutri
[06:48] <slax0r> jutro*
[07:03] <netkat> jutro
[07:12] <napsy_> jutro
[08:36] <CrazyLemon> yay for disk failures
[08:37] <zdobersek> yay for your disk failures
[08:38] <CrazyLemon> Update: Errors seem to be un-bypassable at the current point in time, We have requested a new set of drives from our provider, and will re-install the node completely.
[08:38] <CrazyLemon> torej.. 2 dni offline?
[08:39] <zdobersek> yay
[08:39] <CrazyLemon> yay
[09:36] <CrazyLemon> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUKXRn8XAAApSk-.png:large
[10:38] <CrazyLemon> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/turris-omnia-hi-performance-open-source-router#/
[10:38] <Pepelka> Turris Omnia: hi-performance & open-source router | Indiegogo
[10:38] <Pepelka> »More than just a router.The open-source center of your home.«
[11:01] <yang> Kul, sicer obstaja tudi OpenWRT
[11:01] <yang> .vreme lj
[11:01] <jabuk> ARSO: Ljubljana (299m): 9.2°C @19.11.2015 10:30 UTC.
[11:01] <jabuk> Vlažnost: 79% vzhodnik 0.8 m/s (2.9 km/h)
[11:01] <jabuk> Sončni vzhod: 06:08:51, Kulminacija: 10:48:41, Sončni zahod: 15:28:30
[11:01] <jabuk> Dan je dolg: 9ur 19min 39s, Luna je v ščipu
[11:06] <yang> Ce bo open hardware bo zanimivo
[11:07] <yang> potem bodo napisali cel kup softwera lahko zanj
[11:07] <idioterna> why not you
[11:12] <yang> Ce pises softwer za routerje, se moras precej spoznati na delovanje same naprave in tudi kako uravnavati ta frekvencni spekter itd. ni enostavno
[11:13] <yang> Zato FCC zdaj zahteva spremembo na tem podrocju, da ne bi mogel vsak razvijalec po svoje spreminjati frekvencnega spektra
[11:13] <idioterna> ja no sej
[11:13] <idioterna> se bos kej naucu
[11:13] <idioterna> pa itak ti nisi subject to FCC rules
[11:14] <zdobersek> RMS would do it in a fortnight
[11:14] <idioterna> you're out of their jurisdiction!
[11:14] <yang> :)
[11:14] <yang> bbl kosilo
[11:14] <zdobersek> nisi resen
[11:19] <CrazyLemon> lol @ rms :)
[13:10] <zdobbie> :| https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/3tf1kd/spoilers_all_goerge_has_submitted_a_initial_1700/
[13:10] <Pepelka> (Spoilers All) Goerge has submitted a initial 1700 page manuscript! : asoiaf
[13:10] <Pepelka> »Hi everybody, long time lurker here. Yesterday /u/bonefish914 posted about GRRM delivering the first draft. Obviously I was skeptical (you learn...«
[13:46] <Pepelka> [Web Upd8] Andrew: Fix For Some Apps Starting Behind Focused Windows In Ubuntu (Compiz) http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/webupd8/~3/4KHzcmMoENw/fix-for-some-apps-starting-behind.html
[13:51] <yang> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOqZ4R7YUkc&feature=youtu.be
[13:51] <Pepelka> Nieto Live Wind - YouTube
[13:53] <zdobbie> leaning in like a boss
[14:21] <yang> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPxdBG0XATY
[14:22] <Pepelka> ExoMars : « is there Life on Mars » ? - YouTube
[14:22] <Pepelka> »ExoMars is a space exploration program that aims to study the Martian environment, atmosphere and soil, leading to an enviable data harvest that will feed sc...«
[15:02] <CrazyLemon> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-fedora-linux-installing-visual-studio-code/
[15:02] <Pepelka> How To Install Microsoft Visual Studio Code on Linux
[15:02] <CrazyLemon> do it! install it!
[15:03] <idioterna> nenabom
[15:03] <CrazyLemon> pfft
[15:12] <netkat> koz MS is secure, vsaj win10 http://news.softpedia.com/news/microsoft-windows-10-is-the-most-secure-operating-system-496352.shtml
[15:12] <Pepelka> Microsoft: Windows 10 Is the Most Secure Operating System
[15:12] <netkat> :D
[15:12] <Pepelka> »Redmond claims it focused on security for Windows 10«
[15:17] <zdobbie> a se vam razlozim
[15:17] <zdobbie> da ta visual studio code ni nc vec kokr rebrandan github atom
[15:19] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie you just jelly
[15:23] <netkat> pravjo electron, k ma drgacen dizajn k atom hahhaha
[15:23] <netkat> While VS Code uses Electron, and we contribute to it, we've made a lot of design choices differently from Atom in building the editor and rest of the product.
[15:24] <CrazyLemon> see zdobbie !
[15:31] <CrazyLemon> .stran http://kat.cr
[15:31] <jabuk> http://kat.cr je dosegljiva!
[15:31] <CrazyLemon> .stran https://kat.cr
[15:31] <jabuk> https://kat.cr ni dosegljiva
[15:34] <netkat> kaj pa dogaja zdej s popcorntime, neki pise d so ga spet ozivili al kako?
[15:35] <CrazyLemon> nope.. obstaja pa butterproject
[15:35] <CrazyLemon> ki je legalna različica popcorntimea
[15:35] <CrazyLemon> samo nazadnje ni bila ravno delujoča različica :D
[15:35] <CrazyLemon> WIP
[15:35] <netkat> ah
[15:36] <CrazyLemon> https://github.com/butterproject/butter-desktop
[15:36] <Pepelka> butterproject/butter-desktop · GitHub
[15:36] <Pepelka> »butter-desktop - All the free parts of what used to be Popcorn Time«
[15:37] <netkat> to je pisalo https://torrentfreak.com/popcorn-times-alive-full-comeback-in-the-works-151117/
[15:37] <Pepelka> Popcorn Time's Alive, Full Comeback In the Works - TorrentFreak
[15:37] <Pepelka> »Last month the most used Popcorn Time fork shut down, with several key developers facing legal action in Canada. The MPAA claimed one of the biggest successes in recent history but the victory may only be temporary. There are already several fixes that make the app work again and one of the original developers is currently working on a full comeback.«
[15:37] <jabuk> http://cf.chucklesnetwork.agj.co/items/5/5/9/6/0/one-does-not-simply-declare-victory-but-i-just-did.jpg
[15:40] <netkat> mah sej jst mam 50 slo kanalov ne rabm druzga:D
[15:58] <CrazyLemon> 50 slo kanalov?
[16:31] <upd> sneg se voha mmm
[16:51] <CrazyLemon> .vreme koper
[16:51] <CrazyLemon> .vreme lj
[16:51] <jabuk> ARSO: Koper Kapitanija (4m): 12.7°C @19.11.2015 16:30 UTC.
[16:51] <jabuk> Vlažnost: 82% jugozahodnik 2.4 m/s (8.6 km/h)
[16:51] <jabuk> Sončni vzhod: 06:10:29, Kulminacija: 10:51:49, Sončni zahod: 15:33:10
[16:51] <jabuk> Dan je dolg: 9ur 22min 41s, Luna je v ščipu
[16:51] <jabuk> ARSO: Ljubljana (299m): 11.1°C @19.11.2015 16:30 UTC.
[16:51] <jabuk> Vlažnost: 71% zahodnik 3.6 m/s (13.0 km/h)
[16:51] <jabuk> Sončni vzhod: 06:08:51, Kulminacija: 10:48:41, Sončni zahod: 15:28:30
[16:51] <jabuk> Dan je dolg: 9ur 19min 39s, Luna je v ščipu
[16:52] <CrazyLemon> .vreme kredarica
[16:52] <CrazyLemon> dz0ny i killed him
[16:56] <CrazyLemon> well you killed him..tist postaje.json is b0rked
[17:03] <dz0ny> looks fine to me http://i.imgur.com/9aJmqie.png
[17:04] <CrazyLemon> dz0ny za kateri url?
[17:05] <CrazyLemon> http://potresi.herokuapp.com/postaje.json tale?
[17:05] <CrazyLemon> interesting
[17:05] <CrazyLemon> zdaj je tudi pri meni v redu
[17:05] <CrazyLemon> prej pa je najprej pokazalo potrese
[17:05] <CrazyLemon> nato je bil pa ID za kredarico
[17:05] <CrazyLemon> ki pa je delno manjkal
[17:06] <CrazyLemon> mogoce se postmanu mešalo.. sam zakaj je pol jabuk quital
[18:04] <CrazyLemon> http://www.bicikel.com/novice/13888/studije_kazejo_da_lahko_s_kolesarjenjem_co2_emisije_zmanjsamo_za_10_.html
[18:04] <Pepelka> Študije kažejo, da lahko s kolesarjenjem CO2 emisije zmanjšamo za 10 % | Novice | Bicikel.com
[18:04] <Pepelka> »Univerza v Kaliforniji je objavila izsledke študije, ki kažejo, da lahko s kolesarstvom do leta 2050 CO2 emisije zmanjšamo za kar deset odstotkov.«
[18:26] <idioterna> yup
[18:26] <idioterna> js ze delam to
[18:26] <idioterna> se yanga prepricamo, pa smo na 9%
[18:29] <yang> jst hodim raje peš manj onesnažujem zrak
[18:56] <zdobbie> ce rabte ksno pomoc v Sinjarju, you know who to call
[18:59] <idioterna> aha ja
[18:59] <CrazyLemon> allah?
[18:59] <idioterna> jsm lih prsu
[18:59] <idioterna> tko da loh bi
[18:59] <idioterna> yang: ce gres pes 4x bolj onesnazis zrak kot ce gres s kolesom
[19:03] <idioterna> nc, CrazyLemon, zdobbie
[19:03] <idioterna> whenever
[19:03] <zdobbie> par nalogov se spisem, pa na stran grem
[19:04] <CrazyLemon> se nisi naredu domace naloge?
[19:04] <CrazyLemon> no gaming for you mister!
[19:04] <zdobbie> placilnih nalogov
[19:05] <CrazyLemon> .gif like a boss
[19:05] <zdobbie> cause I'm a big boy!
[19:05] <zdobbie> CrazyLemon: a ves da 6P se sploh ni v prodaji
[19:05] <zdobbie> v EU
[19:05] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie je
[19:05] <zdobbie> kod?
[19:05] <CrazyLemon> na expansys.si je na zalogi
[19:05] <CrazyLemon> frost white
[19:06] <CrazyLemon> tisti drugi pa dobava čez kak dan-dva
[19:06] <CrazyLemon> idioterna zdobbie fyi.. updejt za insurgency je zuni
[19:06] <CrazyLemon> 50 embi
[19:08] <zdobbie> 670EUR
[19:09] <zdobbie> :obamanotbad:
[19:10] <yang> 4x wow
[19:10] <yang> kako si prisel do tega ?
[19:10] <R33D3M33R> https://www.bigbang.si/gsm-telefoni/samsung-e1200-crn-524919
[19:10] <idioterna> yang: izracunal sem kolk kalorij porabim na kilometer
[19:10] <Pepelka> Gsm telefon SAMSUNG E1200 - ČRN - bigbang.si
[19:10] <Pepelka> »Gsm telefon SAMSUNG E1200 - ČRN GSM telefon Samsung E1200 je namenjen manj zahtevnim uporabnikom. Ima barvni TFT zaslon in nekaj osnovnih Samsung aplikacij. Z njim boste pokrili osnovne potrebe, kot so klicanje in pošiljanje kratkih SMS sporočil.«
[19:10] <R33D3M33R> 10€
[19:10] <R33D3M33R> :)
[19:10] <R33D3M33R> go
[19:10] <yang> idioterna: a ti si bolj zadihan peš kot na kolesu ?
[19:11] <idioterna> zelo odvisno od tega kolk hitr grem ane
[19:11] <zdobbie> yang: I googled and thus found
[19:11] <zdobbie> http://www.expansys.si/google-nexus-6p-64gb-aluminium-284182/
[19:11] <Pepelka> Google Nexus 6P (64GB, Aluminium) #51097275 - EXPANSYS Slovenija
[19:11] <Pepelka> »Available from EXPANSYS Slovenia, the Google Nexus 6P (64GB, Aluminium) also accessories, bundle offers, reviews and videos.«
[19:11] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie he wasnt talking to youž
[19:12] <yang> zdobbie: ja nevem zakaj bi dal eno placo za telefon
[19:12] <yang> pa se free ni
[19:12] <idioterna> seveda ni free
[19:12] <idioterna> 660 je
[19:12] <CrazyLemon> drugace pa se mi zdi da sm nekje zasledil da je 3x vec energije vlozeno v to da prehodis razdaljo X
[19:12] <zdobbie> yaysus
[19:12] <yang> zadnjic sem nasel en S6, pa je bil tip ful vesel k sem mu ga vrnil, je reku da stane velik
[19:12] <CrazyLemon> tko da je najbolj ucinkovito (prevozno) sredstvo... kolo
[19:13] <zdobbie> what world do you think you live in
[19:13] <yang> je rekel, da ima mpijaco v dobrem
[19:13] <zdobbie> free as in beer?!?!?
[19:13] <zdobbie> that exists?!?
[19:14] <yang> CrazyLemon: pomoje za po mestu je elektro skuter
[19:16] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie a si sel kakat?
[19:16] <CrazyLemon> al kaj zdaj cakamo
[19:17] <zdobbie> zobe scetkam
[19:18] <CrazyLemon> liar
[21:08] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie a si za narocil 6p in zakaj ne?
[21:08] <zdobbie> nimajo ga na zalogi
[21:08] <zdobbie> na expansysu
[21:09] <CrazyLemon> hm.. ocitno so tisti z slo-androida vse pobral
[21:10] <MC_saban> slax0r
[21:19] <Sky[x]> https://w00tsec.blogspot.si/2015/11/arris-cable-modem-has-backdoor-in.html
[21:19] <Pepelka> w00tsec: ARRIS Cable Modem has a Backdoor in the Backdoor
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-africa
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[05:10] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[05:21] <Na3iL> o/ Kilos
[05:21] <Kilos> hi Na3iL
[05:21] <Na3iL> hows you
[05:21] <Kilos> hi craigbrash
[05:37] <craigbrash> Hello Kilos ,Na3iL
[09:47] <elacheche> Hey guys! So.. I have some issues setting up IPSec on pfSense.. The problem is that the 2 sites uses the Same IP Range (192.168.0.0/16).. My pfSense box have 3 NICs, WAN, LAN, and a not used one.. I had the idea to use that 3rd NIC and configure it to use 192.168.254.0/28 Then configure the IPsec to use it instead of my main LAN, of course the PC who'll need the IPSec will change the config to use that LAN.. Do you think that I'm
[09:47] <elacheche> in the right path?
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2015-11-19-#ubuntustudio-devel
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[10:26] <zequence> OvenWerks: Did you boot it yet?
[15:07] <OvenWerks> It boots fine, but I have had trouble with install. I am not sure if it is the image or my USB HW.
[15:07] <OvenWerks> zequence: My first attempt included formatting the partition which failed... or finished but did not continue.
[15:08] <OvenWerks> I am reinstalling now, but pre-formatted on my normal boot. This seems to be working fine so far.
[15:09] <OvenWerks> however, The USB stick is plugged into a different socket.
[15:13] <OvenWerks> Install finished...
[15:15] <zequence> OvenWerks: I've been having some issues with disk partitioning
[15:15] <zequence> On wily though
[15:15] <zequence> Had to use gparted to partition manually, and then run ubiquity
[15:16] <zequence> Yes, it got stuck on when it was creating the EXT4 file system
[15:41] <OvenWerks> Installed and booted ok.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> hmm, the secret to starting jackdbus at session start is to unload the pulse jack bridge first, start jackdbus and then reload the bridge.
[19:36] <OvenWerks> I was using delays and a pulseaudio -k. which worked for me, but my wife who had "restart applications from the last session" had trouble with skype working right.
[19:37] <OvenWerks> I like the new qjackctl, it is much easier to use.
[19:39] <OvenWerks> the "port maximum" defaults to 256. That is probably a mistake as Jackd(bus) defaults to 2048. Qjackctl only allows it to be as high as 1024.
[19:41] <OvenWerks> There is no reason on a desktop to be less than 2048. (where qjackctl is used) though it could be useful to go less in an embedded setup... where jackd would be started from the command line or script anyway.
[19:42] <zequence> OvenWerks: Interesting about the pulse jack bridge. We should try get something together on that this cycle
[19:42] <zequence> Though, at this point, I'm not entirely sure there will be another release :)
[19:42] <zequence> OvenWerks: What's your thoughts on that? Do you have plans on being project lead?
[19:55] <OvenWerks> I am thinking about it yes. I will see how this one seems to be going in a week.
[19:58] <zequence> Vote is in January, so there may be more than one candidate. I'm sure you, like me, are not worried too much who is lead, as long as it's a reasonable fit.
[19:58] <zequence> I mean, before January, more people might show interest.
[19:59] <zequence> But, it's good to know you are at least thinking about it.
[19:59] <OvenWerks> zequence: I am not sure about committing to the next LTS, but I may be willing to do a release and see where life has taken me. I have just retired and am recovering from the physical abuse of the job. It is hard to know what I will be doing in a year.
[20:01] <OvenWerks> I can load more than one module-jack-sink (or source)
[20:02] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ok. Well, the LTS will need to have some eyes on it for the following three years, though mostly on paper most probably as it has been except for a few bug fixes we've done.
[20:03] <OvenWerks> If I do things inteligently enough, I should be able to by default start jackdbus with the default AI, add any other AIs via zita-ajbridge and then bridge those to pulse as well.
[20:03] <zequence> That would be ideal
[20:04] <OvenWerks> a config file would allow setting what is default.
[20:05] <OvenWerks> a config should even be able to set a USB AI that is not plugged in at start up to take over default if/when it is plugged in.
[20:05] <zequence> Yes, but I could add controls for that. I haven't yet started really working on it. Have lots of unfinished code for controlling jack and pulse.
[20:05] <zequence> I mean, gui controls.
[20:05] <OvenWerks> controls should generally make the config file.
[20:06] <zequence> Yeah
[20:06] <OvenWerks> It would also do on the fly changes
[20:06] <zequence> Right
[20:06] <zequence> What kind of code would you be using for this? bash?
[20:07] <OvenWerks> changing buffer size can be done on the fly for jack but not zita-ajbridge, those would have to be stopped restarted.
[20:07] <OvenWerks> The session start script is in bash
[20:07] <zequence> I've been using python, and there are a couple of alternatives for config libraries, with ready to use classes and functions
[20:07] <zequence> Ok
[20:07] <OvenWerks> The GUI can be in whatever.
[20:08] <zequence> If you like, just work out the functionality, and I could translate that, if needed, to python, and add the config functionality as well
[20:08] <zequence> I would do the config stuff in python either way
[20:08] <OvenWerks> Basically the config file just needs Defaultai=hw;USB kinds of things
[20:09] <OvenWerks> my script starts with:
[20:09] <zequence> Well, sure.
[20:09] <OvenWerks> DELAY=1
[20:09] <OvenWerks> DRIVER=alsa
[20:09] <OvenWerks> DEV=hw:0
[20:09] <OvenWerks> RATE=48000
[20:09] <OvenWerks> FRAME=512
[20:09] <OvenWerks> PERIOD=2
[20:10] <OvenWerks> so far.
[20:11] <zequence> I've been working on a tool I'm calling apt-search for a few days again. It can search for source and binary packages from any active Debian or Ubuntu release
[20:11] <OvenWerks> After that I will put something that checks if ~/.config/whatever/autojack.cfg is there and include it so it can over write the defaults.
[20:11] <zequence> So, want to finish that. But, perhaps I can start working on -controls next week. Also need to finish the project lead vote stuff.
[20:11] <zequence> ..and do whatever work on the wiki to fix things up a bit.
[20:14] <OvenWerks> That is my problem with doing lead stuff. I am not really well enough rounded. I can see the tech stuff, but not the social/PR side. (I mean much more than social media by social)
[20:15] <zequence> I've done my best to kind of put things in place so that the next lead won't have to deal too much with organizational stuff
[20:15] <zequence> I still need to simplify a lot of stuff, I feel
[20:15] <zequence> With such a small team, it's too much
[20:15] <OvenWerks> Its not easy for sure.
[20:16] <zequence> I would like there to be more people involved, and then it makes sense to have a bit of organization
[20:16] <OvenWerks> :)
[20:16] <zequence> But, if it's like as is now, could be a lot of that work is for nothing, and you could just wing it
[20:17] <zequence> I mean, the important stuff is just to get the ISO tested and published, and make sure our metas are healthy.
[20:17] <zequence> But, we could do a lot, lot more
[20:18] <zequence> We, as in if there was more of we
[20:25] <OvenWerks> :) yes. I am going to try to be a bit more active this round...
[20:27] <OvenWerks> I have just about done all I can with Ardour dev work... But what got me into it is I am building a MIDI/OSC/OCA control surface.
[20:27] <OvenWerks> I will be spending more time on that as I get parts.
[20:28] <OvenWerks> I have been using FLTK in c++ so far, but I think I will move to AVTK as that becomes more stable.
[20:37] <DalekSec> :3
[20:59] <zequence> Cool
[22:07] <zequence> OvenWerks: One thing that I really want to get done for controls though is a diagnostic report tool
[22:07] <zequence> Click a button, and get help anywhere from a paste
[22:08] <zequence> Also, get help from the diagnostic itself
[22:10] <OvenWerks> Ardour has a tool that tells what audio devices are available, who has them locked and some things like that.
[22:10] <OvenWerks> I just found an interesting thing. PA keeps running even after logout
[22:11] <OvenWerks> So PA tends to be in a wierd state right after login
[22:12] <OvenWerks> Things that work right after a boot do not work after logout/login, but do work after logout/login as guest/logout/login as user.
[22:48] <zequence> I know there has been attempts of making it user session only for Desktop systems, but it is also able to do system wide stuff
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[21:15] <stratos> WOW this is going to bring linux to even more mass's !!
[21:15] <stratos> when can i get my hands on this softwaree please :-)
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[00:08] <huwshimi> Hey, does anyone know if this list of supported series is up to date? https://github.com/juju/charmstore/blob/v5-unstable/internal/series/series.go#L37
[00:10] <huwshimi> Also any ideas if there is a list of English labels for those series?
[00:15] <alexisb> wallyworld_, ping
[00:16] <wallyworld_> hey
[00:16] <alexisb> sorry was late, I am on the hangout now
[01:02] <menn0> alexisb: do we have a hangout now?
[01:04] <alexisb> menn0, yes
[01:04] <alexisb> I am running late
[01:05] <alexisb> menn0, I can see you
[01:06] <alexisb> can you hear me?
[01:15] <axw> thumper davecheney: FYI, peergroup fix is landed now
[01:15] <thumper> thanks axw
[01:15] <thumper> really appreciate it
[01:15] <axw> np
[01:15] <thumper> axw: good work on the unit assignment bit too
[01:21] <davecheney> axw: hotsauce!
[01:24] <natefinch-afk> axw: yes, thanks for cleaning up my mess :)
[01:24] <axw> natefinch: heh, np
[01:57] <thumper> \o/ sped up the tests by 10s by fixing one test
[01:57] * thumper wonders what else he broke
[01:58] <thumper> huh, tests all pass
[01:58] <thumper> magic
[02:13] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: ping
[02:14] <wallyworld_> hi
[02:15] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: katco said you needed some clarification on things? I'm around poking this bug with a stick
[02:15] <wallyworld_> i'm bootstrapping a 1.22 env to debug with
[02:15] <wallyworld_> i don't really need clarification
[02:15] <wallyworld_> just need to reproduce locally so i don't mess their environment
[02:16] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: ahh ok, I can reproduce the issue even with 1.25.0 .. if you upload-tools, it hoses up the ability to upgrade
[02:17] <wallyworld_> even when we find and fix that, there are still on 1.22 without the fix :-(
[02:17] <wallyworld_> it will be an agent related issue
[02:18] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: yeah, my hope was that since it is in all versions, the problem code would be the same
[02:18] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: also my main goal was trying to see if a new version didn't have the problem, so I could do a git bisect to isolate the problem
[02:18] <wallyworld_> the other issue of course is the conn disconnect preventing upload tools from working
[02:20] <thumper> davecheney: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3182/
[02:20] <thumper> davecheney: this has the code I wanted to talk to you about in it
[02:24] <wallyworld_> wwitzel3: when you say 1.25, you mean a 1.25 back end?
[02:25] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: yes, I bootstrapped 1.25.0 using upload-tools and then attempted to upgrade and got the same failure
[02:25] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: no tools found OR connection shut down, depending on if I used upload-tools or not
[02:26] <wallyworld_> wwitzel3: and if you bootstrap without upload-tools but attemt to upgrade with upload-tools?
[02:26] <wwitzel3> works
[02:26] <wallyworld_> so the upload-tools on bootstrap is the issue?
[02:26] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: maybe, I didn't test upgrading after using upload-tools to upgrade
[02:26] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: I can try that really quick though
[02:27] <wallyworld_> ok
[02:27] <wwitzel3> I can go 1.22 to 1.25 with upload-tools and then try to go to 1.26
[02:27] <wallyworld_> so just to be clear, you think bootstrap WITHOUT upload-tools is ok
[02:27] <wallyworld_> but with uploa-tools on bootstrap is not
[02:27] <wwitzel3> yes, if I bootstrap without upload-tools I can perform an upgrade to 1.26 if I set the agent-stream to devel
[02:28] <wallyworld_> wwitzel3: so with upload-tools, you could try clearing ALL the tools metadata as we did yesterday
[02:28] <wwitzel3> if I use upload-tools, upgrades fails, even if using upload-tools again
[02:28] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: yep, I did that
[02:28] <wallyworld_> and it still fails?
[02:28] <wallyworld_> now that makes no sense what so ever
[02:29] <wwitzel3> oh you mean even the metadata put there from the upload-tools?
[02:29] <wwitzel3> not jsut the streams data
[02:30] <wallyworld_> yes
[02:30] <wallyworld_> delete * from toolsmetadata collection
[02:30] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: ok, let me try that, bootstrapping 1.22.8 right now (no upload-tools)
[02:31] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: then I will upgrade to 1.25 with upload-tools, see if that puts it in the broken state
[02:31] <wwitzel3> wallyworld_: then I'll db.toolsMetadata.remove() and see if I can upgrade to 1.26
[02:32] <wallyworld_> ok
[02:38] <davecheney> thumper: me looks
[02:38] <thumper> davecheney: cheers
[02:39] <thumper> davecheney: the piece I was talking about this morning is the race condition in the api opening / timeout handling
[02:39] <thumper> if we hit the timeout, I close a channel
[02:39] <thumper> the other go routine does check this channel once the open api func returns
[02:40] <thumper> there is a race condition if the api is returned and the channel checked just before a different goroutine determines that we have timed out
[02:40] <thumper> so noone reads off the api or error return channels
[02:41] <thumper> however I figure what I added is better than the guaranteed block forever of the opening goroutine
[02:41] <thumper> if it did timeout
[02:41] <thumper> davecheney: I suppose we could fix that by making the apireturn and error return buffered channels of length one?
[02:41] <thumper> maybe
[02:42] <thumper> if we did that, perhaps we could get rid of the timeout channel?
[02:42] <thumper> however...
[02:42] <thumper> if we did that, the api wouldn't be closed on timeout
[02:42] <thumper> bah humbug
[02:43] <davecheney> thumper: i don't like what i see
[02:43] <davecheney> do you want me to rip it to shreads in review
[02:43] <davecheney> or should we have a hangout to discuss the design
[02:57] <natefinch> davecheney: shit, we have the second option? Someone should have told me two years ago :)
[02:58] <davecheney> :D
[02:58] <davecheney> thumper gets special treatment
[03:06] <thumper> davecheney: hmm
[03:07] <thumper> davecheney: hangout probably best
[03:11] <thumper> davecheney: read the review, happy to explain... but given we are trying to pass information through several layers, this is the best approach I could come up with
[03:21] <davecheney> thumper: 1:1 hangout ?
[03:22] <thumper> davecheney: sure
[03:30] <wallyworld> wwitzel3: i'vr narrowed it down to the final upload tools step after the tools are built, need to dig into that a bit more. plus i've also got new logging showing juju is missing tools from simplestreams after all
[03:36] <natefinch> gah, testing that things run in goroutines is a PITA
[03:38] <mgz> wallyworld: have you worked out the path where juju is getting correct tools when simplestreams isn't working as expected?
[03:39] <wallyworld> mgz: not yet. the logging i added doesn't dump the raw metadata as i did previously, i added extra logging at the point where the tools list is actually composed and returned to the caller. there's something really weird going on
[03:40] <davecheney> thumper: http://play.golang.org/p/7HqKts_Di1
[03:48] <wallyworld> wwitzel3: so i think i found the reason for the no matching error on upgrade, need to double check my logic
[04:20] <axw> cherylj: that peergroup bug is fixed now, I just forgot to tick it over
[04:20] <axw> done now
[04:21] <axw> and retargeted back to 1.26-alpha2
[04:23] <menn0> thumper: upgrader working in the dep engine: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3185/diff/
[04:40] * thumper looks
[05:18] <thumper> davecheney: I'm off now to walk the dog
[05:18] <thumper> davecheney: review updated following review and chat
[05:25] <davecheney> TheMue: ta
[05:25] <davecheney> thumper ta
[06:09] <natefinch> holy crap, 150 lines of test code runs perfectly the first time it successfully compiles.
[06:09] <natefinch> (lol.... all that to test a 23 line function)
[06:18] <mup> Bug #1517743 opened: api: more data races <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517743>
[06:18] <mup> Bug #1517744 opened: cmd/jujud/agent: more data races <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517744>
[06:24] <mup> Bug #1517743 changed: api: more data races <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517743>
[06:24] <mup> Bug #1517744 changed: cmd/jujud/agent: more data races <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517744>
[06:27] <mup> Bug #1517743 opened: api: more data races <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517743>
[06:27] <mup> Bug #1517744 opened: cmd/jujud/agent: more data races <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517744>
[06:33] <mup> Bug #1517747 opened: provider/joyen: more data races <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517747>
[06:33] <mup> Bug #1517748 opened: provider/lxd: test suite panics if lxd not installed <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517748>
[06:39] <mup> Bug #1517747 changed: provider/joyen: more data races <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517747>
[06:39] <mup> Bug #1517748 changed: provider/lxd: test suite panics if lxd not installed <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517748>
[06:45] <mup> Bug #1517747 opened: provider/joyen: more data races <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517747>
[06:45] <mup> Bug #1517748 opened: provider/lxd: test suite panics if lxd not installed <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517748>
[07:28] <axw> wallyworld: proposed apiserver/remoterelations, containing just the local watchers for now: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/3779
[07:42] <dimitern> morning
[07:47] <anastasiamac> dimitern: o/
[07:47] <dimitern> anastasiamac, o/
[07:47] <anastasiamac> dimitern: how is sophia? do u have snow? :D
[07:48] <dimitern> there's nothing like an unblocked master in the morning :)
[07:48] <dimitern> anastasiamac, oh not nearly - it's a lat autumn still 10-18 deg.
[07:49] <anastasiamac> :D
[07:58] <wallyworld> axw: awesome, thanks will look soon
[08:55] <mup> Bug #1302498 changed: Ensure network names are validated on deploy/add-machine once possible <tech-debt> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1302498>
[10:02] <dimitern> frobware, jam, fwereade, standup?
[10:52] <frobware> dimitern, dooferlad: the answer is "yes" to does an ordinary deploy with network aliases pause with 'Waiting 120 seconds for network devices'", so not a result of butchering /e/n/i
[10:53] <dooferlad> frobware: fun!
[10:54] <frobware> dooferlad, it does success though
[10:54] <frobware> succeed
[10:54] <dimitern> frobware, well, that's kinda good news
[10:58] <dimitern> fwereade, hey, I've realized bindings should be updated on svc.SetCharm(), possibly allowing you to do upgrade-charm --bind like with deploy
[10:59] <fwereade> dimitern, good point, yes they should
[10:59] <dimitern> fwereade, initially, we could just use default bindings for new endpoints, and not implement --bind for upgrade-charm
[11:00] <dimitern> fwereade, but the bindings definitely need updating as part of changeCharmOps
[11:00] <fwereade> dimitern, yeah, I think that's the bulk of the cost/complexity
[11:00] <fwereade> dimitern, once that's in, which I think it must be, the extra cost of exposing it via upgrade-charm is minimal
[11:01] <dimitern> fwereade, exactly
[11:01] <fwereade> dimitern, and is likely to actually be helpful in terms of showing us where concept boundaries truly lie
[11:01] <fwereade> dimitern, the more sane clients you have, the more likely your abstraction is sane
[11:01] <dimitern> fwereade, yeah
[11:02] <dimitern> fwereade, cheers
[11:03] <dimitern> fwereade, in order to assert bindings haven't changed while updating them I think I need to use txn-revno explicitly as a field, right?
[11:04] <fwereade> dimitern, hm, quite possibly, yeah
[11:04] <fwereade> dimitern, as long as it's a small doc only used for that purpose it's fine
[11:05] <dimitern> fwereade, ok, so it's very much like for settings, but slightly simpler since the values are strings, not interface{}
[11:05] <fwereade> dimitern, cool
[11:38] <dooferlad> dimitern, frobware: PTAL https://code.launchpad.net/~dooferlad/gomaasapi/subnets/+merge/277977
[11:43] <dimitern> dooferlad, looking
[11:58] <mup> Bug #1517863 opened: Leadership appears broken in 1.25 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517863>
[12:04] <mup> Bug #1517863 changed: Leadership appears broken in 1.25 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517863>
[12:07] <mup> Bug #1517863 opened: Leadership appears broken in 1.25 <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517863>
[12:14] <dimitern> dooferlad, reviewed, let me know what you think..
[13:49] <mup> Bug #1517863 changed: Leadership appears broken in 1.25 <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517863>
[13:58] <mup> Bug #1517863 opened: Leadership appears broken in 1.25 <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517863>
[14:01] <mup> Bug #1517863 changed: Leadership appears broken in 1.25 <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517863>
[14:36] <tvansteenburgh> jw4: you around?
[14:37] * tvansteenburgh shamelessly cross-posts:
[14:37] <tvansteenburgh> anyone know how to get the ID of the currently executing juju action from inside the action itself?
[14:37] <tvansteenburgh> i've seen other code using JUJU_ACTION_ID, but it's not set, and I don't see any mention of that env var in the docs
[14:43] <tvansteenburgh> ah, it's JUJU_ACTION_UUID
[14:57] <kadams54> stokachu: Just submitted a PR to your theblues branch. Once that's landed, it should fix the doc errors that are currently preventing your PR from landing.
[14:59] <stokachu> kadams54: nice!
[15:00] <stokachu> kadams54: i have a initial debian package built would you like me to create a pr for that or just maintain it out of tree?
[15:02] <katco> ericsnow-afk: you going to be here today?
[15:02] <ericsnow-afk> katco: coming
[15:02] <stokachu> kadams54: ok merged that PR
[15:21] <jw4> tvansteenburgh: glad you found it :)
[15:22] <mup> Bug #1440209 changed: juju action do doesn't accept non-string params on command line <actions> <juju-core:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1440209>
[15:23] <frobware> cherylj, I think this (https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1516036) should go into 1.25.1 too. Thoughts?
[15:23] <mup> Bug #1516036: provider/maas: test failure because of test isolation failure <juju-core:Fix Committed by frobware> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516036>
[15:24] <cherylj> frobware: yes, if it's a problem on 1.25 and you can get that in, that would be good.
[15:25] <frobware> cherylj, it depends to be a problem for devs - if your DNS doesn't use something like 8.8.8.8, or whatever CI uses, then the unit tests can fail.
[15:26] <cherylj> frobware: things that prevent us from getting good test / CI runs are definitely good to have everywhere.
[15:27] <cherylj> frobware: but if you can't get it done today, it can wait to 1.25.2
[15:27] <cherylj> frobware: actually
[15:27] <cherylj> frobware: would you be up for looking at a different bug?
[15:27] <frobware> cherylj, need to land the MAAS/19 DHCP first.
[15:27] <frobware> cherylj, but sure
[15:28] <cherylj> frobware: ok :) just ping me if you still feel that way after you land the MAAS 1.9 / DHCP fix :)
[15:28] <frobware> cherylj, what's the LP#
[15:28] <frobware> cherylj, curiosity killed the cat!
[15:28] <cherylj> indeed!
[15:29] <cherylj> There are two causing problems for 1.25 CI: bug 1514462
[15:29] <mup> Bug #1514462: Assertion failure in TestAPI2ResultError <ci> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1514462>
[15:29] <cherylj> and bug 1517611
[15:29] <mup> Bug #1517611: TestFilesystemInfo race condition in 1.25 <ci> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517611>
[15:29] <frobware> cherylj, Xenial - ha... just to add to the matrix
[15:30] <mgz> frobware: the important bit is less xenial and more go 1.5
[15:30] <frobware> ENOMOREMATRIX
[15:33] <frobware> dimitern, dooferlad: please take a look http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3188/
[15:34] <dimitern> frobware, looking
[15:35] <stokachu> kadams54: just setup a seperate repo for the debian package i did https://github.com/battlemidget/theblues-deb
[15:37] <kadams54> stokachu: thanks for the heads up… I'm kinda surprised we don't already have one :-)
[15:37] <frobware> dimitern, thanks
[15:47] <mgz> frobware: I still don't understand your change for bug 1516036
[15:47] <mup> Bug #1516036: provider/maas: test failure because of test isolation failure <juju-core:Fix Committed by frobware> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516036>
[15:48] <mgz> the tests actually query a real dns server, so the solution is changing the value that escapes testing to fail more, rather than correctly isolating the tests from the runner's dns setup?
[15:48] <alexisb> mgz, cherylj are we sure that those two bugs are what is causing the 1.25 curse?
[15:49] <mgz> alexisb: bug 1517611 is causing the 1.25 curse
[15:49] <mup> Bug #1517611: TestFilesystemInfo race condition in 1.25 <ci> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517611>
[15:49] <mgz> alexisb: bug 1514462 is the main cause of failure for master on go 1.5
[15:49] <mup> Bug #1514462: Assertion failure in TestAPI2ResultError <ci> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1514462>
[15:50] <alexisb> mgz, bug 1517611 is marked incomplete?
[15:50] <mup> Bug #1517611: TestFilesystemInfo race condition in 1.25 <ci> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517611>
[15:50] <mgz> alexisb: it's the "not on trunk, just 1.25" marker
[15:50] <frobware> mgz, I don't know what to do about it atm. the real issue is on the MAAS side - we're trying to workaround a sporadic bug there,
[15:50] <alexisb> ok
[15:51] <mgz> frobware: what's the maas bug number? I can hit roaksoax in person.
[15:51] <frobware> mgz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1412621
[15:51] <mup> Bug #1412621: replica set EMPTYCONFIG MAAS bootstrap <adoption> <bootstrap> <bug-squad> <charmers> <cpec> <cpp> <maas-provider> <mongodb> <oil> <juju-core:Fix Committed by frobware> <juju-core 1.24:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Committed by frobware> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1412621>
[15:51] <dooferlad> frobware: reviewed
[15:52] <ericsnow> mgz: why not just delete the bug task for master?
[15:52] <alexisb> frobware, that is a juju core bug
[15:52] <ericsnow> mgz: (the minus sign in the "Affects" column)
[15:53] <dimitern> frobware, reviewed
[15:55] <mgz> ericsnow: we don't know it'as not on master, we've just not seen it
[15:55] <mgz> also, it confuses search
[15:55] <ericsnow> mgz: ah
[15:55] <ericsnow> mgz: k
[16:00] <mgz> frobware: I'm not seeing a maas bug referenced, just that it's a generic error we see when maas dhcp gets screwed, which can be a variety of reasons
[16:00] <mgz> frobware: roaksoax says that once juju has touched /e/n/i it's our problem, basically
[16:02] <mgz> frobware: I also don't see how that's related to our unit tests really touching dns
[16:06] <frobware> mgz: the issue is that MAAS does not always update its DNZ zone entry for the node that is just deployed which means it is unresolvable.
[16:07] <mgz> frobware: okay, but there's no maas bug specifically for that in launchpad?
[16:07] <mgz> or I'm not finding it?
[16:11] <cherylj> mgz: I'm not sure that there was a separate bug for the MAAS issue. I think they had just looked at the same bug frobware was working on: bug 1412621
[16:11] <mup> Bug #1412621: replica set EMPTYCONFIG MAAS bootstrap <adoption> <bootstrap> <bug-squad> <charmers> <cpec> <cpp> <maas-provider> <mongodb> <oil> <juju-core:Fix Committed by frobware> <juju-core 1.24:Won't Fix> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Committed by frobware> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1412621>
[16:11] <cherylj> mgz: or maybe I'm remembering wrong. I thought I saw that the MAAS guys touched that bug
[16:11] <dimitern> frobware, ah, I've haven't notices runScript takes explicit string arguments, so ignore my comment around using test.params...
[16:12] <mgz> cherylj: I'm just not seeing any work on the maas side to fix things
[16:13] <frobware> mgz, I just updated the bug
[16:14] <mgz> frobware: thanks!
[16:15] <frobware> mgz, if you drop back to IP addresses the replica set can continue; if you don't drop the unresolvable host names then the node will be unusable. I think we're pushing in the wrong direction. This, to me, is a MAAS issue.
[16:15] <mgz> frobware: okay, I just didn't see that communicated anywhere
[16:15] <frobware> mgz, but it was suggested we try and work around broken/sporadic provider behaviour.
[16:15] <mgz> if we want maas to fix things we need to tell them
[16:16] <frobware> mgz, that's mostly in the git commit
[16:16] <frobware> mgz, re: "I just didn't see that communicated anywhere"
[16:18] <frobware> mgz, resolving the names (which broke the unit tests for some) is a bad idea. We either back it out, fix it MAAS, or continue to workaround and add more crud.
[16:18] <mgz> I'm generally for backing that out.
[16:19] <frobware> mgz, the advertised solution is to use static IP addresses but I don't think you can do that for 1.8 - true?
[16:21] <mgz> frobware: not in default config at least, everything just asks dhcp for an address
[16:25] <dimitern> frobware, you can do that in 1.8 - with either devices or ipaddresses APIs
[16:27] <frobware> mgz, dimitern: so if you're using dhcp you're like to run into this problem. if you can switch to static, there's a workaround. Open to backing this out if it is making things worse, et al.
[16:28] <dimitern> frobware, well, having the option to do it is one thing, but actually doing it is quite a different story :)
[16:28] <dimitern> frobware, I mean juju can't enforce restrictions on how your maas nodes get their addresses
[16:28] <frobware> dimitern, right. not clear how practical a solution that is (for customers)
[16:29] <dimitern> frobware, in most cases I guess customers will use static addresses for nodes
[17:00] <alexisb> mgz, katco ping
[17:38] <mup> Bug #1517992 opened: juju-upgrade to 1.24.7 leaves juju state server unreachable <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517992>
[17:58] <perrito666> sorry ppl, cannot make it to the hangout
[18:11] <natefinch-afk> I guess I missed it
[18:12] <katco> natefinch: we called it. too few people
[18:17] <natefinch> katco: figured. Sorry, kids' thanksgiving thing at school ran over.
[18:59] <katco> natefinch: are you porting that fix for bug 1382556 to master?
[18:59] <mup> Bug #1382556: "cannot allocate memory" when running "juju run" <cpe-critsit> <run> <juju-core:In Progress by natefinch> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Committed by natefinch> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382556>
[19:00] <natefinch> katco: I am now
[19:00] <katco> natefinch: ty
[19:18] <natefinch> man I wish git was better at dealing with moved files.
[19:34] <katco> natefinch: did you get that bug ported to 1.25? saw the card is moved over
[19:35] <natefinch> porting to master now, didn't realize the card should include the port, sorry, I can move it back.
[19:35] <natefinch> katco: hit a snag that the ssh stuff moved outside the repo, so going to have to do a more manual port of that part of the code
[19:35] <katco> natefinch: no worries, the bug was still open so just wanted to check
[19:35] <katco> natefinch: bummer =/
[20:31] <natefinch> we should just rename dependencies.tsv to mergeconflict.tsv
[20:33] <natefinch> when did we start using gopkg.in/inconshreveable/log15.v2 ?
[20:33] <katco> natefinch: lxd dependency
[20:33] <natefinch> katco: gah... libraries shouldn't log :/
[20:35] <natefinch> for exactly this reason
[20:42] <natefinch> katco: can I just merge the forward ports? While I had to manually copy over the changes from 1.25 to the new repo, it really is just an exact copy of the code... there were no changes in between the two as far as I can tell.
[20:43] <katco> natefinch: do you mean don't go through the bot?
[20:43] <katco> natefinch: or do you mean no review?
[20:43] <natefinch> katco: no review
[20:43] <katco> natefinch: yeah go for it
[20:44] <mup> Bug #1509032 changed: Juju doesn't support is own version of 1.25.0 <ci> <test-failure> <juju-core:Fix Released by cherylj> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1509032>
[21:17] <natefinch> aww dammit
[21:18] <natefinch> someone changed juju/utils with a breaking API change, without updating juju core
[21:18] <natefinch> dooferlad: ^
[21:23] <alexisb> natefinch, he is sleeping I would think
[21:23] <natefinch> alexisb: yeah, remembered after I pinged him
[21:31] <menn0> mgz: ping?
[21:31] <mgz> menn0: yo
[21:31] <menn0> mgz: i'm helping out with a unit test failure on ppc64 (TestFilesystemInfo)
[21:31] <menn0> it only seems to fail on ppc64
[21:32] <menn0> can I get access to the ppc64 unit test host (stilson-09 I believe)?
[21:32] <mgz> menn0: sure
[21:32] <menn0> I already have access to stilson-08 from looking at an issue a long time ago but it doesn't appear to have any go tools installed
[21:33] <mgz> there are a lot more meenos than I'd expect on lp
[21:38] <natefinch> can someone review this 5 line patch so head on master actually compiles with head on juju/utils? http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3192/
[21:40] <natefinch> katco, menn0, thumper ^
[21:41] * menn0 looks
[21:41] * thumper shipped it
[21:41] <natefinch> thanks!
[21:41] * menn0 is too slow
[21:48] <natefinch> katco: once my fix to master lands, then my forward port should land
[21:48] <natefinch> dinner time, back in a few hours
[21:50] <katco> natefinch-afk: cool ty
[22:00] <ericsnow> katco: I'm out like a trout
[22:00] <katco> ericsnow: tc
[22:01] <katco> ericsnow: how far did you get?
[22:02] <ericsnow> katco: not too far
[22:02] <ericsnow> katco: it *does* reproduce reliably (by re-running the CI job)
[22:02] <ericsnow> katco: I've updated the bug report
[22:10] <katco> ericsnow: ty
[22:33] <mgz> menn0: hey, did you repo? my run just before restarting hit the failure
[22:35] <menn0> mgz: yep, repoed it immediately
[22:35] <menn0> mgz: I have a "fix", but it's really looking like a Go toolchain bug
[22:36] <mgz> mwhudson will love you.
[22:37] <menn0> mgz: printing out the struct created by state.FilesystemAttachmentInfo{MountPoint: "/srv"} gives {MountPoint: ReadOnly: true}
[22:37] <menn0> but if I do state.FilesystemAttachmentInfo{MountPoint: "/srv", ReadOnly: false}, you get {MountPoint: "/srv", ReadOnly: false}
[22:38] <menn0> serious wtf territory
[22:38] <menn0> mwhudson isn't around today unfortunately
[22:47] <mgz> menn0: sooo... is your "fix" constructing the thing with full params each time?
[22:48] <mgz> e
[22:49] <mgz> menn0: we don't seem to have had any compiler changes or other suspect things on stilson-09 recently, so mystery to me why it started happening on the 1.25 branch here
[23:03] <menn0> mgz: yeah, it's pretty strange
[23:13] <perrito666> hello again everybody
[23:21] <menn0> davecheney: I just sent you and mwhudson details of a fun ppc64 issue via email
[23:27] <davecheney> menn0: \o/
[23:29] <davecheney> menn0: unconstructive answer: use go 1.5
[23:29] <davecheney> nobody will fix gccgo4.9
[23:30] <menn0> davecheney: joy :-/
[23:32] <davecheney> a := s.newAgent(c, ss)
[23:32] <davecheney> go func() { c.Check(a.Run(nil), gc.IsNil) }()
[23:32] <davecheney> defer func() { c.Check(a.Stop(), gc.IsNil) }()
[23:32] <davecheney> // Now run the test.
[23:32] <davecheney> s.assertUpgradeSteps(c, state.JobHostUnits)
[23:32] <davecheney> s.assertHostUpgrades(c)
[23:32] <davecheney> what the f
[23:48] <mup> Bug #1518128 opened: Improper address:port joining <juju-core:Triaged by cherylj> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518128>
[23:48] <mup> Bug #1518131 opened: cmd/jujud/agent: different data races <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518131>
[23:51] <mup> Bug #1518128 changed: Improper address:port joining <juju-core:Triaged by cherylj> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518128>
[23:51] <mup> Bug #1518131 changed: cmd/jujud/agent: different data races <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518131>
[23:57] <mup> Bug #1518128 opened: Improper address:port joining <juju-core:Triaged by cherylj> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518128>
[23:57] <mup> Bug #1518131 opened: cmd/jujud/agent: different data races <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518131>
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[01:36] <UbuN2> hello could ubuntu touch work on a samsung galaxy s6 edge plus
[02:24] <RMJ> Anyone got OTA8 yet?
[03:23] <nhaines> RMJ: OTA-8 will start phasing in tomorrow.
[03:24] <RMJ> ok thx, I'll stop trying on my Nexus 4 till then!
[03:25] <nhaines> RMJ: a sound policy to retain sanity. :)
[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[07:49] <garro_> Hi. I have a problem with the browser app. It doesn't start. Can someone help me to solve this?
[08:30] <zzarr> good morning, my phone (Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition) can't find OTA-8
[08:37] <pandatrone> zzarr, :'(
[08:39] <zzarr> I hope it's released to day, I know that a batch of phones are selected for update at random ever so often (meaning I don't know the interval)
[08:40] <EdwardMorbius> morning, is OTA-8 live? I dont see an announcement on the mailing list.
[08:41] <garro> Hi! I have a problem with the browser app for ubuntu Touch. My problem is similar to this "http://askubuntu.com/questions/692369/reinstall-browser"
[08:43] <garro> can someone help me?
[09:03] <garro> Hi! I have a problem with the browser app for ubuntu Touch. My problem is similar to this "http://askubuntu.com/questions/692369/reinstall-browser"
[09:03] <garro> Can anyone help me?
[09:05] <EdwardMorbius> garro factory reset maybe? I hope one of the developers can help you more
[09:06] <garro> it's a bit annoying... If there were someway to reinstall only the browser app I would prefere
[09:08] <EdwardMorbius> garro cant help you with that unfortunately, developers should know more, since the browser is part of system image reinstalling it would probably require making the image rw but I am just speculating.
[09:11] <garro> I frequently use the mount command with the remount rw option to get the image temporarly rw, so I think this is not a problem...
[09:12] <garro> anyway
[09:12] <garro> thank you Edward
[09:13] <EdwardMorbius> garro you are welcome, I hope your question will get answered by someone here that is more knowledgeable
[09:13] <EdwardMorbius> having a glitch now with the updates, says connect to the Internet even though I am connected and browser opens websites normally.
[09:16] <tvoss> mardy, would you mind proposing: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/location-service/last-known-position-15.04
[09:17] <mardy> tvoss: sure
[09:18] <tvoss> mardy, great, thx
[09:21] <mardy> tvoss: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/location-service/last-known-position-15.04/+merge/277960
[09:22] <tvoss> mardy, ack and thx
[09:27] <faenil> jgdx: what do you mean?
[09:33] <tvoss> mardy, three minor niggles that occured to me only now :)
[09:35] <zzarr> any info on any delay of OTA-8?
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: not available yet on my bq 4.5 here
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> still waiting
[09:37] <EdwardMorbius> lotuspsychje waiting as well
[09:38] <mardy> tvoss: about the s/reference/last_known/ change, I'll apply that to velocity and heading too, right?
[09:38] <tvoss> mardy, yup
[09:41] <zzarr> lotuspsychje, in that case I'll have to wait more I guess
[09:42] <jibel> how do I enable developer mode from the terminal? I cannot do it from the UI on devel-proposed
[09:42] <jibel> I tried android-gadget-service enable adb but it doesn't seem to be it
[09:43] <mardy> tvoss: should I change it everywhere? even on the provider interface (on_reference_location_updated() and similars)?
[09:43] <mardy> I guess that would require rebuilding the espoo provider
[09:51] <pandatrone> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg16829.html
[09:51] <pandatrone> It seems the OTA-8 date will be moved one day later as mentioned in my
[09:51] <pandatrone> previous e-mails. The main reason is a translation regression that
[09:51] <pandatrone> happened with us noticing too late, reverting some strings in the unity8
[09:51] <pandatrone> translations [1]. We had to upload new langpacks to the snapshot and
[09:51] <pandatrone> re-create an image, without pulling in any of the recent archive
[09:51] <pandatrone> changes. Expect the update released tomorrow.
[09:51] <pandatrone> oh s##
[09:52] <mardy> pandatrone: better this than some private e-mail :-)
[09:53] <pandatrone> yeah :D
[10:02] <tvoss> mardy, let's confine the change to the engine for now. I think we should do a coordinated landing of breaking changes beginning of next week
[10:04] <mardy> tvoss: OK. I'm rebuilding the project, will push soon
[10:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Use Less Stuff Day! 😃
[10:19] <mardy> tvoss: MP updated
[10:20] <mardy> tvoss: so, what do you think about having a provider querying the google-location-service API, which could be configured to work with either google or mozilla (the API is essentially the same)?
[10:44] <Mirv> mardy: sorry I've noticed you've been very busy with various landings lately, but just a reminder that there's also the ticket https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/649 if you have to time to test + mark it for ready for publishing. no hurry though, there's a long time until OTA-9 and I don't have other qtdeclarative landings right at the moment.
[10:46] <mardy> Mirv: I tested it several days ago; if you haven't changed anything since then, then I'll mark it as ready
[10:46] <mardy> Mirv: "mark it ready" = "set status to QA granted"?
[10:47] <Mirv> mardy: ah! "Ready for QA"
[10:47] <Mirv> mardy: QA != you, QA == QA team :) so they'll check it next.
[10:47] <Mirv> mardy: and yes the status options are confusing, there's a bug about it
[10:47] <Mirv> mardy: then QA will change to to Granted if they agree
[10:49] <mardy> Mirv: ok, I'll set it as ready for qa then :-)
[10:50] <Mirv> mardy: thanks! :)
[10:50] <Mirv> now it's on their radar
[10:55] <pandatrone> putin has great radars
[11:43] <jgdx> faenil, I forgot…
[11:45] <faenil> jgdx: :D
[13:52] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, the migration script removal from all the webapps, those branches are still waiting review
[13:52] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, silo 38
[13:52] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^
[13:52] <alex-abreu> kenvandine, are they ? ... ok I'll have a look at them today
[13:52] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[13:52] <kenvandine> seb128, i'm nagging alex-abreu :)
[13:53] <seb128> ;-)
[13:53] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, thanks
[13:53] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, those scripts are generating error reports
[13:53] <kenvandine> should be an easy landing... just a ton of branches to approve :)
[13:53] <alex-abreu> ack
[13:54] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, ugh... the silo needs to be reconfigured for xenial though
[13:54] <kenvandine> i'll do that and rebuilt
[13:54] <kenvandine> s/rebuilt/rebuild
[13:59] <Tom_> Hi everybody :)
[13:59] <jnxd> !isitoutyet
[14:00] <Guest37433> hi ?
[14:04] <Guest37433> hi ?
[14:05] <jnxd> is there any owncloud client for the ubuntu phone?
[14:08] <popey> not yet
[14:10] <Guest37433> Please, when i add music on my phone (E5), why it doesn't appear in music app ?
[14:14] <jgdx> Guest37433, where do you add it? I think there's a set of search paths defined.
[14:14] <Guest37433> I add from my desktop computer
[14:14] <Guest37433> by USB
[14:15] <jgdx> Guest37433, to what folder on your phone
[14:15] <Guest37433> ( sorry for my english, i'm french :p )
[14:15] <Guest37433> in /home/phablet/Music
[14:16] <Guest37433> but my file manager doesn't see files few since day
[14:17] <Guest37433> so, in terminal, i see with a 'ls' cmd, my music is on my phone
[14:17] <Guest37433> but my music app doesn't read my new files. :/
[14:18] <jgdx> maybe it's an unrecognized file format? In any case, check the log /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/mediascanner-2.0.log
[14:19] <Guest37433> same format, there is many files
[14:20] <Guest37433> i don't know if the permissions of files can create problems with the music app ?
[14:20] <Guest37433> maybe another app changed my permissions files ?
[14:22] <Guest37433> what the log can learn to me ?
[14:22] <Guest37433> ( noob in the place... :) )
[14:23] <Guest37433> mh, there is something strange in log file
[14:24] <Guest37433> like 'runtime_error' about the Mediiascanner service
[14:27] <Guest37433> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error'
[14:29] <Guest37433> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error' what(): UNIQUE constraint failed: media_attic.id
[14:31] <BOHverkill> Guest37433: try that
[14:31] <BOHverkill> stop mediascanner-2.0
[14:32] <BOHverkill> rm ~/.cache/mediascanner-2.0/mediastore.db
[14:32] <BOHverkill> start mediascanner-2.0
[14:32] <BOHverkill> then wait till the scanning process is finished
[14:32] <BOHverkill> (for example you can tail the log)
[14:35] <Guest37433> thanks very much :)
[14:35] <Guest37433> maybe you can explain why the bug appears ,
[14:35] <Guest37433> ?*
[14:35] <BOHverkill> i do not know
[14:35] <BOHverkill> had the same problem
[14:36] <Guest37433> mh...
[14:36] <BOHverkill> i looks like the database is corrupt
[14:37] <Guest37433> i was thinking my file manager will detect new files but not
[14:37] <Guest37433> i need to do the same thing for the log of the terminal ?
[14:38] <tvoss> mardy, around?
[14:49] <kaie> Hello. vegetahd (BQ E5) with rc-proposed/bq-aquaris channel. How can I enable "adb"? I found howtos to flash to a different channel, but I don't understand how I can enable adb, without going to a devel channel.
[14:49] <kaie> (I tried to flash the devel channel, but with that, my device was stuck at the white BQ screen forever. I flashed back to rc-proposed)
[14:57] <jibel> kaie, you can enable adb from system-settings / about this phone / developer mode and switch on developer mode
[15:29] <kaie> jibel, thanks, but I had tried that and failed. I have dev mode enabled, I have an udev rule, but adb devices still doesn't list anything.
[15:30] <kaie> SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ACTION=="add", SYSFS{idVendor}=="2a47", MODE="0666", SYSFS{idProduct}=="*"
[15:32] <kaie> 14.04 LTS system
[15:37] <kaie> ok sorry. it works now. I have no idea why it didn't work yesterday.
[16:22] <alex-abreu> kenvandine, I acked the webapps branches in silo 38
[16:23] <kenvandine> alex-abreu, thx
[16:49] <mterry> mpt, did you ever see my email about my latest flash animation work? I wanted feedback on the timing costs for the progress bar
[17:08] <jnxd> I guess I asked this earlier too, but how to update apps through the adb? I can't access internet properly since it doesn't work well with proxies. I was able to update to OTA-8, but apps remain the same.
[17:32] <lotus|xenial> nice job on OTA8 devs!!!
[17:32] <lotus|xenial> my scope freeze issue dissapread on it bq 4.5
[17:34] <lotus|xenial> you guys are rocknroll
[17:55] <drwd> Hello, can anyone help me?
[18:06] <bogdantoday> @sil2100 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes "OTA-8" link pointing to OTA-7 changelog
[18:07] <studio_> hi
[18:07] * bogdantoday slaps sil2100 around a bit with a large fishbot
[18:08] <studio_> i was reading about ota-8, sip is still not supported?
[18:08] <popey> correct studio_
[18:08] <studio_> why?
[18:09] <sil2100> !
[18:09] <popey> bogdantoday, fixed, thanks
[18:09] <sil2100> bogdantoday: thanks!
[18:09] <popey> sil2100, fixed
[18:09] <popey> :)
[18:09] <sil2100> Evil copy-typo
[18:09] <sil2100> popey: thanks :)
[18:09] <popey> studio_, because nobody has developed a sip client
[18:09] <bogdantoday> no prob)
[18:09] <popey> studio_, feel free to develop one.
[18:09] <studio_> what about external m3u, are thy now supported?
[18:10] <popey> updated playlist support isn't in OTA-6, that's coming later I believe.
[18:11] <studio_> popey, sorry, i am just a user, how can i enable sip-support in ubuntu-touch?
[18:11] <popey> studio_, pay someone else to develop the app?
[18:11] <studio_> who?
[18:11] <popey> a developer :)
[18:12] <studio_> popey, hoe much do you need? ;)
[18:12] <popey> I'm not a developer :)
[18:12] <studio_> ok :)
[18:13] <popey> http://sipcmd.sourceforge.net/
[18:13] <popey> port that :)
[18:14] <studio_> what about the accu, are the "drivers" depending on the os (kernel)?, because the new 5.0 from bq can handle it more fine that the old lollipop ...
[18:15] <popey> accu?
[18:15] <studio_> accumulator, wrong englich word?
[18:16] <ahayzen> accelerometer ?
[18:17] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ ssh [email protected] uname -a
[18:17] <popey> Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.4.67 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 28 09:14:30 UTC 2015 869191d armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[18:17] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ ssh [email protected] uname -a
[18:17] <popey> Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.4.67 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Aug 21 10:53:55 UTC 2015 736d127 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[18:17] <popey> looks like OTA-7 and OTA-8 have the same kernel on our side
[18:17] <popey> maybe a patch here or there, but most of the work happens in userspace.
[18:18] <popey> But no, probably not worth you switching back from Android studio_, as I doubt we have met your requirements.
[18:19] <studio_> will ota-9 be worth?
[18:21] <popey> Dunno, not sure exactly what's in OTA-9 yet.
[18:22] <lotus|xenial> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-9-already-got-a-new-web-browser-app-thai-font-support-496254.shtml
[18:22] <studio_> popey, was reading ota-9 will be out in 2016. Is that correct?
[18:22] <popey> first week, yeah
[18:22] <popey> well, first few weeks
[18:24] <studio_> popey, sorry, why the ubuntu-touch device can't handle the same as an RPI2 with Ubuntu-Mate?
[18:24] <popey> It probably could if someone made an image for it.
[18:24] <popey> The Ubuntu MATE RPI2 image is a community port.
[18:25] <studio_> who do you mean with "someone"?
[18:26] <popey> someone = anyone
[18:26] <studio_> is "anyone" sitting on the sources?
[18:27] <popey> I don't know, you'd need to ask everyone.
[18:27] <popey> I'm just saying, nobody has done it, someone could, if they had the time or inclination.
[18:27] <studio_> i asked at mtk, but never got an answer ...
[18:28] <popey> mtk? for rpi?
[18:28] <popey> pi is broadcom, not mtk
[18:28] <studio_> bcm is "more" open source
[18:31] <studio_> i do not understand, that mtk is not publishing new blobs for a newer kernel, as i understood, we are on 4.2.x ...
[18:34] <popey> our device isn't on 4.2
[18:34] <popey> it's on 3.4.67
[18:35] <studio_> popey, 3.4.67 is from 2013, right?
[18:36] <popey> I don't have an encyclopaedic knowledge of kernel versions and their dates, but yes, that seems about right
[18:36] <studio_> kernel.org
[18:36] <popey> Indeed
[18:36] <popey> I hear some people still run 2.6! O_O
[18:36] <studio_> so?
[18:37] <studio_> is that "Ubuntu"?
[18:37] <popey> Are we going to have this conversation _again_?
[18:37] <lotus|xenial> studio_: try ##kernel
[18:38] <studio_> did we ever had an "conversation" about kernel updates?
[18:39] <studio_> i mean on "Ubuntu-Touch"?
[18:39] <lotus|xenial> studio_: what are you trying to achieve here?
[18:39] <popey> Yeah, more than once. Never mind.
[18:40] <popey> You know we're locked into the kernels we run due to the Android drivers for things like gps, radios etc.
[18:40] <popey> You know that.
[18:40] <k1l_> studio_: you cant compare PC kernel updates with other architectures kernel updates due to the drivers issues.
[18:40] <studio_> popey, try "find" ...
[18:40] <popey> studio_, it would be interesting to see Ubuntu with Mir / Unity8 on the RPI2
[18:41] <popey> But I fear we may have issues with the GPU drivers for Mir, I don't know, not tried.
[18:41] <popey> Could be a fun project for someone.
[18:41] <studio_> k1l_, what ever you say ...
[18:42] <studio_> k1l_, do you now own an ubuntu-touch device, if yes, what device?
[18:44] <k1l_> studio_: i did not buy a ubuntu-touch pre installed device. but i own a nexus4
[18:45] <studio_> is it in "production"? if yes, how?
[18:49] <k1l_> studio_: it was some time.
[18:50] <studio_> it was some time?
[18:50] <studio_> what does that mean?
[18:51] <popey> he bought it a while ago
[18:51] <popey> "some time ago"
[18:51] <studio_> *lol*
[18:51] <k1l_> studio_: it was broken at some point and i needed a new one. now i own a nexus 6 which is not capable of running ubuntu-touch
[18:52] <studio_> so he never "used" ubuntu-touch?
[18:52] <k1l_> i repaired the n4 and have again flashed ubuntu-touch on it, but its not my daily phone.
[18:52] <k1l_> studio_: sure i did
[18:52] <studio_> k1l_, in what?
[18:55] <studio_> k1l_, in what did you used ubuntu-touch in a productive system?
[18:55] <popey> he said, a nexus 4
[18:56] <studio_> no, he said he used an nexux 4, but for what?
[18:56] <lotus|xenial> to phone?
[18:56] <studio_> *lol*
[18:56] <k1l_> studio_: i dont get what you are after now.
[18:59] <studio_> k1l_, simple question, how did you used your nexus 4 for a productive environment?
[19:00] <k1l_> i used my nexus 4 flashed with ubuntu-touch for my daily usage of a smartphone once.
[19:00] <k1l_> sms, make phonecalls, browse the internet, play some silly games, use social networks,.. things people do on a smartphone.
[19:00] <studio_> so you never used a "productive environment"?
[19:01] <k1l_> only real bugger is that there is still no whatsapp, since i still got a lot of people around me using it. but after i did not answer they did send me emails or used telegram or sms.
[19:02] <k1l_> studio_: define "productive enviroment"
[19:02] <lotus|xenial> k1l_: telegram got a nice update recently
[19:03] <lotus|xenial> k1l_: http://news.softpedia.com/news/major-telegram-update-arrives-for-ubuntu-phones-496347.shtml
[19:03] <k1l_> yeah, saw that.
[19:03] <studio_> k1l_, for what are you using your PC/notebobook, for "productive environment"? if you understand that, you'll understand "productive environment"
[19:04] <k1l_> i just saw jolla got serious financial issues, sad to see its that hard to compete in the phone business against the big 2 and a half.
[19:04] <lotus|xenial> studio_: how about you explain what you wanna start doing with an ubuntu-touch device specificly
[19:04] <k1l_> studio_: so you mean the convergance as productive enviroment?
[19:05] <k1l_> studio_: i dont see anyone having guaranteed you that when you bought your android phone.
[19:05] <studio_> lotus|xenial, i was not the guy who was crying ubuntu-touch is ubintu ...
[19:05] <lotus|xenial> ?
[19:05] <studio_> lotus|xenial, i was not the guy who was crying ubuntu-touch is ubuntu ...
[19:05] <lotus|xenial> nobody cryed here
[19:06] <lotus|xenial> studio_: what are you talking about?
[19:06] <studio_> lotus|xenial, so who told ubuntu-touch is ubuntu?
[19:06] <lotus|xenial> studio_: you tell us..
[19:07] <studio_> not us, check the logs
[19:07] <dobey> oh ffs
[19:07] <dobey> not this again
[19:07] <dobey> studio_: stop
[19:07] <studio_> haha :)
[19:07] <davmor2> dobey: ban yourself it will be easier
[19:08] <k1l_> studio_: so i played this game now long enough. do you have anything constructive to contribute?
[19:09] <dobey> k1l_: i think the answer to that is rather obvious :-/
[19:09] <k1l_> dobey: well, hope dies last
[19:09] <studio_> k1l_, i asked you, and i am still missing your answer ...
[19:10] <davmor2> studio_: and k1l_ answered you, he use his smartphone as a smartphone because it is a smartphone
[19:10] <lotus|xenial> lol
[19:10] <dobey> k1l_: sometimes one must just put it out of its misery
[19:11] <k1l_> studio_: the productive usage of a smartphone is pretty clear. and i do that.
[19:11] <dobey> you can play doom on an ubuntu phone
[19:12] <dobey> obviously there is nothing more that one would need
[19:12] <k1l_> studio_: there is a convergance phone to come next year. what about you buy that and help the development on that instead of buying android phones and blackmailing the ubuntu developers all the time?
[19:12] <davmor2> dobey: apparently not well if you are trying to video it with the other hand hey popey ;)
[19:12] <studio_> davmor2, for what did k1l_ used his phone? i asked for "productive environment "
[19:13] <lotus|xenial> this is like a labyrinth
[19:13] <dobey> lotus|xenial: nah, even labyrinths have an exit
[19:13] <lotus|xenial> :p
[19:13] <k1l_> studio_: define productive environment
[19:13] <k1l_> studio_: i listed already what i do with my phone.
[19:14] <dobey> my phone makes toast
[19:14] <lotus|xenial> and mine plays gitarre
[19:14] <studio_> "productive environment " for exp. "instabus"
[19:15] <dobey> is that the man on the Clapham omnibus?
[19:16] <studio_> "productive environment " for exp. "exchange-server"
[19:16] <dobey> lol
[19:16] <dobey> you've obviously never used exchange
[19:16] <studio_> "productive environment " for exp. sync your pc with your phone
[19:17] <dobey> studio == @1990slinuxguy
[19:17] <studio_> do you need more examples?
[19:17] <dobey> you can do all of those things today
[19:18] <studio_> dobey, i think you are a developer, right?
[19:19] <davmor2> studio_: no dobey is an awesome developer, he is also a busy one too, so please don't waste his time
[19:19] <dobey> because i'm not trying to run an exchange server on my phone?
[19:19] <dobey> i know thousands of people, and so far, i can't think of anyone of them who has ever wanted to run an exchange server on their phone
[19:20] <k1l_> running a server on the phone is silly. you want a server to run a server.
[19:20] <popey> studio_, I think we know where you're going with this - basically, ubuntu phone can't connect to an exchange server, therefore it's not a good platform.
[19:20] <popey> Essentially.
[19:20] <dobey> why can't it connect to an exchange server?
[19:21] <popey> proprietary undocumented protocols
[19:21] <davmor2> dobey: because none of the apps do yet
[19:21] <popey> Which is an opinion you're entitled to have, but it's pretty painful watching you dance around this, wasting everyones time.
[19:21] <davmor2> dobey: if the exchange server supports imap you can connect via that
[19:22] <studio_> davmor2, so for what dobey is developing for something, that nobody is using?
[19:22] <k1l_> therefor i go and make some sports now, seems more like a productive enviroment to me
[19:22] <dobey> there's some evolution stuff you can use to at least sync calendar and contacts to an exchange server on the phone, if you really want to go down the road of trying to make it work
[19:23] <studio_> dobey, what is the evolution, mir or wayland?
[19:23] <dobey> millions of people are using software i wrote
[19:24] <dobey> or even billions maybe
[19:24] <studio_> dobey, ok, but what is the way, mir or wayland?
[19:25] <davmor2> studio_: any evolution stuff is cli based
[19:25] <dobey> huh?
[19:26] <studio_> sorry, what means cli?
[19:26] <dobey> some passage says "the way to hell is paved with good intentions"
[19:26] <davmor2> studio_: the evolution stuff dobey is on about is command line Interface based
[19:27] <dobey> the buddha says the way to enlightenment is through isolation
[19:28] <davmor2> dobey: google says search here and you're questions shall be answered. I don't believe them either :D
[19:28] <lotus|xenial> a budhist goes to a hotdog vender and asks: *make me 'one' with everything!
[19:28] <OerHeks> Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present OTA-8, says Buddha.
[19:28] <OerHeks> is there a Buddha app yet?
[19:29] <lotus|xenial> maybe studio_ is the one
[19:29] <studio_> davmor2, where can i read about CLI, i am a bit confused about that in the moment ...
[19:29] <dobey> lol, now he doesn't know how to use the command line?
[19:30] <dobey> after all the complaints about apt-get and wanting to run various servers on a phone
[19:30] <dobey> go troll elsewhere please
[19:30] <lotus|xenial> OerHeks: i use the 'relax' app to goto higher spheres :p
[19:31] <dobey> is that a mail order peyote service?
[19:31] <davmor2> lotus|xenial: I used step ladders to get to higher spheres it's much easier than relaxing
[19:32] <lotus|xenial> davmor2: :p
[19:37] <studio_> dobey, i am sorry about to understand you here in "ubunt-touch". you do not like to use a writeable system with aptitude or apt-get update / upgrade. we are talking about mir/wayland, xmir is still not supported, so what do you tell me? i am yust a "normal" user ...
[19:38] <dobey> no we are not talking about mir/wayland
[19:38] <studio_> sure
[19:38] <dobey> there is no such thing as a normal user, and even if there were, you certainly are not it
[19:39] <studio_> dobey, is ubuntu-touch supporting systemd?
[19:39] <studio_> if yes on what device?
[19:40] <dobey> no
[19:41] <dobey> the phone is still using upstart right now
[19:41] <dobey> but again, what has that got to do with anything?
[19:43] <dprophecyguy> hey
[19:43] <dprophecyguy> can somebody help with git install
[19:43] <dprophecyguy> i am getting an error
[19:43] <dprophecyguy> whole running sudo apt-get install git-all
[19:43] <dprophecyguy> ???
[19:44] <davmor2> dprophecyguy: on ubuntu touch
[19:44] <dobey> dprophecyguy: don't. apt is not supported
[19:44] <dprophecyguy> on ubuntu 15.04
[19:44] <dobey> oh if it's not on a phone, you want #ubuntu for support :)
[19:45] <dprophecyguy> okay
[19:45] <dprophecyguy> thanks
[19:45] <davmor2> dprophecyguy: this is a channel for phone related stuff, you'll want to ask on #ubuntu
[19:45] <dobey> but on a phone, apt is not supported
[19:45] <davmor2> dobey: man you type fast
[19:46] <studio_> ok, k1l_ did made an withdrawn, after i askek him about "productive environment ", but please, is anybody here using the ubuntu-touch device i an productive environment system?
[19:46] <dobey> davmor2: an awesome developer must be light on one's fingers
[19:46] <dobey> studio_: stop.
[19:47] <studio_> dobey, stop is the wrong answer!
[19:47] <dobey> ubuntu phones have been in production for almost a year.
[19:47] <dobey> your disagreement with what is available or how you wish to use such a device, has nothing to do with a "productive environment"
[19:48] <dobey> frankly, you are creating an unproductive environment by coming in here and spewing your vitriol
[19:48] <davmor2> dobey: oh that's such a nice word :)
[19:49] <dobey> :)
[19:49] <OerHeks> any answer to studio_ gives 2 more questions :-D
[19:49] <studio_> dobey, maybe a missunderstanding, i do not mean "in production"", i mean in "productive environment" ...
[19:49] <dobey> studio_: it's a phone. it makes phone calls. it is by definition fulfilling its purpose, and thus productive
[19:50] <dobey> studio_: you however, are not productive
[19:50] <studio_> dobey, you missed the point
[19:50] <davmor2> studio_: there are 1000's of people using it daily as their main phone. so yes people use it in a productive environment daily
[19:51] <dobey> of all the points in this channel, it is not i who is missing them
[19:52] <studio_> davmor2, there are 1000's who reflash their ubuntu-Touch devices back to Android 5.0, have you ever seen that?
[19:52] <popey> studio_, I use multiple ubuntu phones in my productive environment
[19:53] <davmor2> studio_: No
[19:53] <popey> I see six devices from where I'm sat.
[19:53] <davmor2> popey: light weight
[19:53] <popey> hah.
[19:53] <dobey> davmor2: but studio_ has done so a 1000 times
[19:54] <dobey> android 5 is so last week though
[19:54] <popey> studio_, there are thousands of people who use Ubuntu on their phone and have not switched back to Android, we know this.
[19:54] <dobey> all the cool kids are using 6 on the nexus 5x
[19:54] <popey> because we switch the camera on periodically to watch them
[19:54] <popey> (we don't really, but it's a fun idea)
[19:54] <dobey> hahaha
[19:54] * Stskeeps tells phoronix
[19:54] <popey> hah!
[19:55] * lotus|xenial is never going back to android
[19:55] <popey> never say never :)
[19:55] <studio_> popey, how do you use your ubuntu-touch device in an "productive environment" ? For exp. how do you sync your e-Mails from the device with you computer/laptop?
[19:56] <dobey> well, when google buys canonical and renames ubuntu phone to android
[19:56] <popey> studio_, I connect my mail client on my phone to my server via imap
[19:56] <popey> studio_, i use webmail on my laptop. so they're in sync
[19:56] <dobey> srsly nobody "syncs" e-mails any more
[19:56] <dobey> this isn't 2002
[19:56] <lotus|xenial> lol
[19:56] <popey> Well, you could run Mutt on the phone if you want.
[19:56] <studio_> popey, come on, how do you use gpg?
[19:57] <popey> I don't.
[19:57] <dobey> mutt supports imap
[19:57] <popey> I haven't used GPG for years
[19:57] <popey> Because nobody I ever email uses it.
[19:57] <jibel> ah, no lotus notes for Ubuntu phone, so disappointed :(
[19:57] <popey> \o/ Domino!
[19:57] <davmor2> jibel: hahaha
[19:57] <dobey> if you want gpg in dekko, go to #dekko and help them implement a reasonable user experience for it
[19:57] <popey> I said "Wow, people still use domino?" to an IBMer recently, he was _really_ offended.
[19:57] <studio_> so you still send e-mail like an postcard?
[19:57] <popey> "YES!" he protested
[19:58] <popey> studio_, no, because I use TLS
[19:58] <dobey> no, you can't lace e-mails with anthrax
[19:58] <studio_> popey, why the update from the device is working over gpg?
[19:58] <popey> I don't telnet to the imap server and type out imap commands to it
[19:58] <dobey> the phone uses gpg just fine
[19:58] <popey> studio_, I don't understand your question
[19:59] <popey> it works well, except... that one time...
[19:59] <dobey> there's a gpg key for the app store
[19:59] <studio_> popey, you know what gpg is and for what it is used?
[20:00] <popey> Of course I do
[20:00] <popey> Just because I choose not to use it, doesn't make my phone use any less valid.
[20:00] <popey> My mum never uses GPG either
[20:00] <popey> Neither does _anyone_ I regularly send emails to.
[20:00] <studio_> so you never made an update on your device?
[20:00] <popey> I said I don't use GPG for email.
[20:00] <popey> I press a button to update my device
[20:01] <studio_> updates are using gpg
[20:01] <popey> I don't care what it does underneath, it could be magic pixies for all I care
[20:01] <popey> Yes, I know.
[20:01] <davmor2> popey: GPG Grand Piano Gang?
[20:01] <davmor2> It's a classic group right?
[20:01] <popey> studio_, so, again, back to your question, yes, I use my phone in a productive environment
[20:01] <popey> which - this may be a shocker for you - differs from the way you use a phone.
[20:02] * lpotter believes in magic pixies that update phones
[20:02] <popey> I hope you were sitting down for that revalation.
[20:02] <dobey> studio_: why are you still here?
[20:02] <dobey> studio_: aren't you using android 5.0?
[20:02] <davmor2> studio_: so do I, in fact my job is completely dependant on them
[20:02] <studio_> popey, what is you default email-client?
[20:02] <dobey> netcat
[20:02] <popey> Dekko.
[20:02] <dobey> best e-mail client evar
[20:02] <davmor2> dekko
[20:03] <dobey> i just have netcat running on port 25 and it dumps everything to /dev/null
[20:03] <studio_> can dekko handle smime or gpg?
[20:03] <dobey> you know the answer already
[20:03] <studio_> no?
[20:03] <davmor2> studio_: Not yet
[20:03] <dobey> this is not #dekko
[20:03] <popey> Patches welcome!
[20:03] <dobey> if you want to ask questions about dekko, i suggest you seek support from its developers
[20:04] <popey> I would love to see GPG support in dekko. That would be awesome.
[20:04] <popey> Maybe I'd use GPG more if it did, who knows.
[20:04] <davmor2> popey: don't make me laugh
[20:04] <studio_> so, popey, your company prescribing you to send emails like an postcard?
[20:05] <popey> I might, if it was made easy for normal people.
[20:05] <popey> studio_, again, I don't use GPG
[20:05] <popey> studio_, repeating it doesn't make it any more amusing
[20:05] <dobey> studio_: we don't use e-mail
[20:05] <dobey> studio_: we use RFC-1149 for sending messages
[20:05] <davmor2> dobey: is that carrier pigeon?
[20:05] <dobey> yes
[20:06] <davmor2> nice
[20:06] <studio_> popey, again, what is canoncial using to encrypt emails?
[20:06] <popey> studio_, that sounds like a question for the IS department
[20:06] <popey> I just read and write mails, I don't administer the servers
[20:06] <dobey> a proprietary corn feed from Monsanto
[20:07] <studio_> popey, what is IS department?
[20:07] <dobey> is totally how the RFC-1149 messages are encrypted
[20:07] <popey> Technical people
[20:07] <popey> Again, we don't have GPG support in Dekko, but it would be great if we did. Patches welcome studio_ !
[20:07] <dobey> e-mail is for suckers
[20:07] <lpotter> I prefer post-it notes folded into airplanes
[20:08] <studio_> popey, why isnn't thunderbird supported in ubuntu-touch?
[20:08] <popey> studio_, because it requires X
[20:08] <popey> Thunderbird _will_ be able to be used in the future.
[20:08] <lpotter> and an interface redesign
[20:08] <popey> But not a mobile UI - you'd need to ask Mozilla about that
[20:08] <popey> (Thunderbird is their project, not ours)
[20:08] <studio_> popey, why isn't xmir supported in ubuntu-touch?
[20:09] <davmor2> studio_: because it lacks a mobile interface, is x only and requires more space than the moon
[20:09] <dobey> studio_: why don't you read public announcements?
[20:09] <popey> studio_, because it's not finished
[20:09] <popey> studio_, it will be, soon enough.
[20:09] <studio_> ok
[20:10] <dobey> if you want to be notified of when certain features will be available, and on what devices, then subscribe to the mailing list and actually read the status/announcement e-mails about such things
[20:10] <popey> Ok, are we done with the bizarre questions for today?
[20:11] <dobey> popey: you know the moebius never ends
[20:11] <studio_> popey, why bizarre? :)
[20:11] <popey> studio_, s/bizarre/boring/
[20:11] <popey> maybe repetitive?
[20:11] <popey> Disruptive?
[20:11] <dobey> because you asked them 6 months ago, have been answered hundreds of times, and already know the answer
[20:11] <popey> Irritating?
[20:11] <davmor2> time wasting
[20:11] <popey> Rhetorical?
[20:12] <popey> Anyway, yes, enough now.
[20:12] <dobey> inflammatory
[20:12] <lpotter> amusing
[20:12] <studio_> boring is ubuntu touch compared to ubuntu ...
[20:12] <dobey> boring is what bores do
[20:13] <popey> you just reminded me of a joke I used to do when I was like 15
[20:13] <dobey> haha
[20:13] <lpotter> that's like comparing a cucumber to a pickle
[20:13] <popey> put index finger on arm of friend, rotate clockwise and anti-clockwise a few times
[20:13] <dobey> not at all
[20:13] <popey> friend looks up
[20:13] <popey> "Am I boring you?"
[20:14] <dobey> bores are also good for trepidation
[20:14] <dobey> which is something that sounds very pleasing right now
[20:14] <popey> studio_, so, see you in 6 weeks when we get to have this groundhog day again?
[20:14] <davmor2> I just thought they were wild pigs
[20:14] <dobey> that's a boar
[20:15] <dobey> which you strap to a board, to smoke and roast
[20:15] <davmor2> dobey: see there's my mistake
[20:15] <dobey> mmmmmmmm, ribs
[20:15] <studio_> popey, i am still nosy about the new bq convergence device :)
[20:16] <popey> That won't have GPG either.
[20:16] <dobey> then follow @bqreaders on twitter
[20:16] <dobey> and watch for them to announce it
[20:17] <dobey> pro tip: it won't be a traditional PC device either, because that's not what convergence is
[20:17] <studio_> dobey, is the RPI2 a "traditional PC device"?
[20:18] <dobey> no, it's a hacker toy
[20:18] <studio_> *lol* :)
[20:19] <studio_> sorry, i use ubuntu-mate on it, not kali ...
[20:19] <dobey> sorry, i don't care :)
[20:19] <popey> \o/ Ubuntu MATE
[20:19] <dobey> it's not like we make kali
[20:20] <davmor2> dobey: you don't make mate either
[20:20] <dobey> but i'm not terribly big on the taste
[20:21] <dobey> i guess i'd have to get used to it, without burning my tongue
[20:21] <davmor2> dobey: no I like it myself but that was because the Argentinians spoilt me with some of theirs made correctly :)
[20:22] <popey> never had it
[20:22] <popey> keep getting told how amazing it is
[20:22] <popey> doesn't help that the bottled stuff is impossible to find over here
[20:22] <dobey> but i could totally go for some asado right now
[20:23] <davmor2> popey: think of is as somewhere between coffee and tea, Tea taste in coffee strength
[20:23] <popey> hm
[20:23] <popey> Will try at the next sprint.
[20:25] <davmor2> popey: you need the proper leaves though, I don't know what the bottled stuff is like as I have never had that, I keep thinking about buying a gourd and leaves off of amazon
[20:26] * genii makes a note to try this asado stuff
[20:26] <BOHverkill> i think the ubuntu phone ota update system do not like me :( i get the update every time really late
[20:26] <popey> BOHverkill, define really late?
[20:26] <popey> Given it's only been ~3 hours
[20:27] <BOHverkill> but i want it now
[20:27] <popey> oooh I just got it!
[20:27] <BOHverkill> ;)
[20:27] <BOHverkill> grrrrrrrr
[20:27] <popey> haha, sucks to be you! :D
[20:27] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-19-202731.png
[20:27] <BOHverkill> :C
[20:27] <popey> check it out :)
[20:28] <davmor2> popey: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gourd-Bombilla-drink-Yerba-Mate/dp/B001E1VXR8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447964773&sr=8-2&keywords=mate
[20:28] <dobey> i really need to set up an image server
[20:28] <dobey> what ever happened to tassadar?
[20:29] <popey> davmor2, I have that exact one on my amazon wishlist
[20:29] <davmor2> popey: I keep thinking about it :) Maybe an xmas pressie for me :)
[20:29] <popey> yeah, same
[20:34] <studio_> guys, first thank you for all new informations for today, but now i am also looking for a direct backup system for the ubuntu-touch device. Is autofs, rsync and incron also working on the ubuntu-touch device?
[20:37] * lotus|xenial thinks only idle will help this case
[20:39] <studio_> lotus|xenial, it is not "allowed" to make the device writeable, so how to install autofs, rsync and incron in a "normal" ubuntu-touch device?
[20:40] <dobey> https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[20:41] <dobey> as i'm sure you've been pointed at plenty of times before
[20:42] <studio_> dobey, but the device needs to made writeable
[20:42] <dobey> no it doesn't
[20:42] <studio_> ino?
[20:42] <studio_> no?
[20:42] <dobey> read my answer there
[20:43] <dobey> the / partition does not need to be made writable to create and us a chroot in the home directory
[20:43] * mcphail gazes adoringly at studio_. His stamina is electrifying
[20:43] <popey> You need to get out more
[20:44] <lotus|xenial> lol mcphail
[20:44] <popey> I'll let everyone figure out who that was aimed at
[20:44] <dobey> republicans, obviously
[20:44] <popey> studio_, my phone has rsync installed out of the box
[20:45] <popey> if they're simple binaries, just extract them from the archive (or build them somewhere else) and copy them onto the device
[20:46] <popey> thats what I did when I wanted ncdu on my phone
[20:46] <popey> copied the binary to ~/bin.
[20:46] <studio_> dobey, sorry i do not understand your link, i just want to "apt-get install" or "aptitude install" autofs rsync incron ...
[20:47] <mcphail> ha!
[20:47] <dobey> meh, it's still too early for me to go get pizza and beer and shoot things in the face
[20:47] <mcphail> brilliant...
[20:47] <dobey> studio_: then too bad
[20:48] <popey> studio_, it is "allowed" to make your phone writable
[20:48] <popey> it's _your_ device after all.
[20:48] <studio_> dobey, could you please explain me the "correct" way?
[20:48] <dobey> if you can't understand the simplest way to create a chroot container, then you probably shouldn't be running such things. but if you want to break your device feel free
[20:49] <dobey> don't come crying in here for support because you broke your device by doing what you were told would definitely break your device, though
[20:49] <studio_> i understood a chroot-container, but for what?
[20:49] <dobey> you want to run legacy tools on your phone
[20:49] <dobey> that is the best way to do it
[20:50] <dobey> it is exactly the same if you want to run said legacy tools on android, so don't go pulling that threatening crap about flashing android, because it's bollocks
[20:50] <studio_> so all is depending on android?
[20:50] * mcphail is wiping tears of laughter
[20:51] <lotus|xenial> lol
[20:51] <popey> chill dobey
[20:51] <mcphail> studio_: do you ever holiday in Scotland? I have a bottle of malt with your name on it
[20:51] <dobey> popey: haha. chill is all i ever am
[20:52] <popey> hah
[20:52] <k1l_> dobey: you forgot the i in chilli ;p
[20:52] <popey> ubuntu n' chill
[20:52] <dobey> k1l_: i'm not a penguin
[20:53] <studio_> otus|xenial, popey, so you are happy to lunch another android based device? Or why the normal ubuntu/debian commands are not working?
[20:53] <dobey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YPWLGmcTkU
[20:53] <dobey> what are you talking about android for?
[20:53] <lotus|xenial> i had lunch hours ago
[20:54] <studio_> dobey, stop spaming, i know nothing about adb!
[20:54] <popey> studio_, I don't know what you mean by "lunch" (I can guess you mean build or something, no idea)
[20:54] <dobey> wtf are you talking about?
[20:54] <dobey> i'm not hawaiian. i don't much care for spam
[20:55] <popey> studio_, create a chroot, build binaries in it, or in a pbuilder, or some other cross-build environment.
[20:55] <dobey> i never said anything about adb
[20:55] <dobey> sheesh
[20:55] <studio_> i asked a "simple" question but i got an advanced answer ... where was the problem?
[20:56] <popey> you asked a simple question which requires an advanced answer
[20:56] <dobey> the problem is you are a troll
[20:56] <popey> well, actually you got 3 answers
[20:56] <popey> but you're never happy with them
[20:56] <popey> so shall we call it a day for today?
[20:56] <popey> Come back in 6 weeks for another trolling session?
[20:56] <dobey> popey: i have no idea why you are still here :)
[20:56] <popey> I'm rebuilding dosbox and this passes the time
[20:57] <dobey> ah
[20:57] <studio_> popey, what was so advanced on autofs, rsync and incron ?
[20:57] <popey> I didnt say they were advanced
[20:57] <popey> I said the answer was
[20:57] <mcphail> I don't know if my bladder can take this
[20:57] <popey> chroot is a *bit* advanced
[20:57] <dobey> are autofs, rsync, or incron in the app store?
[20:57] <popey> The thing is, you're playing the _part_ of a user, but you're actually very technical.
[20:58] <lotus|xenial> mcphail: working directly on the nerv-system :p
[20:58] <popey> Which is why people call you a troll, because you're asking questions which you know the answer for, but are deliberately being a doofus to prove some kind of point.
[20:58] <mcphail> lotus|xenial: this channel is better than the telly
[20:58] <dobey> no. they are not. therefore any answer is advanced, becasue it is not "install it from the app store"
[20:58] <popey> It's mildly entertaining for a while. But gets boring quickly.
[20:58] <popey> You're way past that now.
[20:58] <popey> So I think maybe go, and come back another day (or not).
[20:58] <studio_> popey, for what do i need a chroot for autofs, rsync and incron on ubuntu-touch?
[20:58] <lotus|xenial> mcphail: lol this kind of 'entertainment' can get you to the nut house
[20:59] <popey> studio_, there are many guides to setting up chroots online
[20:59] <popey> I suspect I could find one very quickly.
[20:59] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[20:59] <popey> oh look
[20:59] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrossBuilding
[20:59] <studio_> popey, again, for what do i need a chroot for that?
[21:00] <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg12190.html
[21:00] <popey> it's _an_ option
[21:00] <popey> for building those tools
[21:00] <popey> or otherwise using apt in a confined area which won't break your phone
[21:00] <studio_> no, is it "ubuntu" or is it "ubuntu-touch"?
[21:00] <popey> enough
[21:01] <dobey> there is only zuul
[21:01] <lotus|xenial> lol thats long time ago zuul
[21:01] <dobey> zuulbuntu
[21:01] <lotus|xenial> finally :p
[21:01] <mcphail> aww
[21:01] <dobey> ikr
[21:01] <popey> mcphail, I'm a celeb is on now ;)
[21:01] <mcphail> :)
[21:02] <dobey> one sour kraut ruins it for all of germany
[21:02] <lotus|xenial> yeah i tought germans were advanced :p
[21:02] <popey> coincidentally dosbox finished building
[21:02] <mcphail> perfect timing
[21:02] <pmcgowan> omg you actually kicked him
[21:02] <popey> you mean, "finally" kicked him.
[21:02] <dobey> lotus|xenial: i hope he doesn't have a mercedes
[21:02] <lotus|xenial> pmcgowan: ota8 fixxed my scopes freeze :p
[21:03] <pmcgowan> sweet
[21:03] * mcphail is getting OTA8!
[21:03] <pmcgowan> its a goody
[21:03] <lotus|xenial> nice job to you all!!
[21:03] <popey> pmcgowan, does OTA-8 have GPG email?
[21:03] <mcphail> Ta muchly dev people
[21:03] <lotus|xenial> popey: LOL
[21:03] * genii makes sure popey gets a fresh mug of delicious coffee
[21:03] * pmcgowan kicks popey
[21:04] <popey> :)
[21:04] <lotus|xenial> popey: look in #ubuntu
[21:04] <lotus|xenial> 22h04
[21:04] <popey> haha
[21:05] <popey> I'll cherish that.
many thanks to "Alan Pope" and he can't declare where is the different between Ubuntu and Ubuntu-Touch!!!
[21:05] <lotus|xenial> he found a new channel to continue
[21:05] <popey> nah, he left
[21:05] <mcphail> popey: he's found your real identity! No more superhero for you
[21:06] <dobey> popey: that's one for the quotes page
[21:13] <k1l_> so, that was ragequit number ? from studio?
[21:14] <OerHeks> k1l_, yes, our favorite troll
[21:15] * k1l_ awaits his rants now on the german ubuntu forums to show up.
[21:16] <svij> k1l_: yeah me too ;)
[21:16] <popey> sorry :(
[21:16] <dobey> http://ubuntu.de/
[21:16] <dobey> lol
[21:16] <svij> damn, wanted to some stuff for university and ended up watching popey and dobey playing with a troll…
[21:17] <svij> dobey: just for the record ;) https://ubuntuusers.de
[21:18] <k1l_> dobey: hehe. they had a link to ubuntuusers.de on their page some time ago.
[21:19] <popey> have you guys ever met studio? in "real" life?
[21:20] <OerHeks> .. if it is Mark Shuttleworth, yes :-D
[21:21] <svij> popey: nope
[21:22] <svij> he joined the german community in april this year
[21:22] <k1l_> popey: i think he hides somewhat
[21:23] <k1l_> he talked to me in pm some time a lot about cryptography and such. so i dont think he will want to appear in public
[21:25] <popey> Ok.
[21:27] <dobey> man, the fonts on that forum are really really bad for 4K
[21:28] <dobey> and that's me saying it, even
[21:40] <mcphail> Rebooted into OTA8 and I have that annoying white pixel in the top left corner. Why does it do that sometimes?
[21:42] <OerHeks> maybe one colour-cel in your screen is broken ..
[21:42] <popey> that's the tracking pixel ;)
[21:42] <mcphail> ooh -it has gone again. I can't be of interest :)
[21:45] <BOHverkill> "Software is up to date" - that is a lie :S
[21:47] <jgdx> phases!
[21:47] <jgdx> phasers to stun
[21:54] <BOHverkill> i hate phases
[21:56] <jgdx> BOHverkill, you can flash your phone with ota8 as of ~12 hours ago
[21:56] <BOHverkill> no
[21:57] <BOHverkill> i want just the update ^^
[21:57] <k1l_> updates updates updates updates
[21:57] <k1l_> gimme the updates :)
[21:57] <BOHverkill> :P
[21:58] <k1l_> iknowyourfeel.jpg ;p the cm12.1 buildserver was down for 5 days :)
[21:58] <BOHverkill> sry i am just an inpatient persion
[22:15] <louisdk> Would it be possible to install Ubuntu Touch on the Aquaris E5 edition with 4G and 2GB ram? If one would flash the ubuntu touch image to it would it brick?
[22:32] <sverzegnassi> Could someone confirm this is an unwanted behaviour? On OTA-8, I launch 'Monster Wars', wait for the app to be launched, turn off the screen -> the app stops reproducing audio (the app has been freezed, I suppose).
[22:32] <sverzegnassi> If I launch 'Monster Wars' again, and turn off the screen before the app is fully loaded, the app keeps playing some audio even if the screen is turned off.
[22:33] <sverzegnassi> (Replace 'Monster Wars' with any app, just saw this while launching that game)
[22:34] <ahayzen> sverzegnassi, jhodapp maybe best to ask about that if its happening all the time
[22:37] <nhaines> Can anyone confirm this unwanted behavior on OTA-8? I tried to send email not as a postcard, but GPG isn't supported yet so all email communication is impossible.
[22:38] <sverzegnassi> haha
[22:39] <ahayzen> nhaines, don't start that again ;-)
[22:40] <sverzegnassi> ahayzen, thanks for pinging! actually it seems to happen all the time... hope it's just about media-hub ;)
[22:40] <ahayzen> :-)
[23:13] <popey> Elleo, do you know of some way to route the OSK to an SDL app? (e.g. http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-19-184911.png )
[23:13] <popey> so for SDL games where you have to type in a character name or something
[23:30] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, surely it's not every app, sounds to me like it might just be apps that directly play sounds via Qt -> Pulseaudio
[23:32] <nhaines> popey: have you ever used dosbox in a "productive environment"?
[23:33] <popey> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/watch-doom-first-person-shooter-video-game-running-on-ubuntu-phone-496446.shtml
[23:33] <popey> yes :)
[23:33] <nhaines> popey: If you've ever run VisiCalc or Microsoft Works in dosbox then you know what I'm talking about. ;)
[23:33] <popey> I was more of a Lotus 123 kinda guy
[23:33] <popey> and then As-Easy-As 123
[23:33] <nhaines> Hehe.
[23:34] <popey> Also, turbo pascal...
[23:34] <popey> happy days
[23:34] <popey> oh no, my brain is now recalling Ashton-Tate dBase III
[23:34] <nhaines> I was a QuickBASIC guy, but oh, now I miss Terminate and BBSes...
[23:34] <sverzegnassi> jhodapp: I've tried also with Falldown, which is a QML app and I happens the same. I tried with PathWind and seems there's some magic that mutes the audio.
[23:34] <nhaines> Probably because the flow of time has worn away all the annoying bits....
[23:34] <Elleo> popey: typically you need some sort of IME plugin in the toolkit for the keyboard to talk to when using maliit, which exists for Qt and GTK but I suspect there isn't anything for SDL
[23:35] <Elleo> popey: might be possible to wrap an SDL app in Qt and do it that way though
[23:35] <sverzegnassi> Don't know how media-hub works, though
[23:35] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, yeah most likely these apps aren't going through media-hub
[23:35] <OerHeks> some miss the dailup sound to the internet
[23:35] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, QML calls into normal C++ Qt
[23:35] <popey> Elleo, ok. ta
[23:36] <sverzegnassi> jhodapp: huh, ok. I supposed that media-hub stuff were forced somehow into a QML environment.
[23:36] <nhaines> Tell me when media-hub supports GPG!
[23:36] * nhaines stops trolling and goes back to work.
[23:36] <mcphail> jhodapp: afaik, openal apps don't get muted and the volume control doesn't work at all
[23:36] <Elleo> popey: although I expect for something like doom adding some onscreen controls would be better, since the keyboard takes up a lot of the screen with keys that aren't needed for a game
[23:36] <popey> hmm, good point
[23:37] <mcphail> Elleo: but an onscreen keyboard would give an easy win for lots of existing games
[23:37] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, it is, but if an app uses say the SoundEffect object, that calls directly to pulse and skips media-hub as it's supposed to be a very low latency bringup
[23:37] <popey> Elleo, for some games (like Xcom) you only really need the keyboard now and then, to enter player name for example
[23:37] <jhodapp> mcphail, interesting
[23:38] <nhaines> I can't wait to play Doom with the Steam Controller. Although actually it'll probably be Dark Forces first.
[23:38] <mcphail> jhodapp: try http://themcphails.uk/altest.njmcphail_0.1_armhf.click for an example
[23:38] <Elleo> popey: yeah, in that case I'd suggest a Qt wrapper with a little "show keyboard" button, so it isn't there when it isn't needed
[23:38] <Elleo> popey: like the terminal
[23:38] <popey> Elleo, know any examples of wrapping an sdl app in qt?
[23:38] <jhodapp> mcphail, have the source to that?
[23:39] <mcphail> jhodapp: i think i might have left the source in the click itself
[23:39] <popey> nhaines, I have a bluetooth controller her, hoping to get that working soon
[23:39] <Elleo> popey: afraid not
[23:39] <popey> k
[23:39] <jhodapp> ok
[23:41] <mcphail> jhodapp: yes, the source is in there
[23:41] <nhaines> popey: +1
[23:41] <Elleo> popey: looking at one example I think a lot will depend on what Mir and the Mir SDL backend support, since they're basically telling SDL to render in to a specific window id
[23:41] <Elleo> popey: which may not be an option with Mir yet
[23:41] <sverzegnassi> jhodapp: thanks for the explanation! Btw, I've already reported it in the Canonical System Image project, bug 1518122, since it looked to me as something a bit annoying.
[23:44] <mcphail> sverzegnassi: isn't that an extension of the bug I exploit to keep apps running in the background? If there is no gui, the app doesn't stop when the screen goes off
[23:46] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, thanks...I'm doing a quick investigation just to see if it does in fact utilize media or not which will help me categorize that bug report better
[23:47] <sverzegnassi> jhodapp: thanks again!
[23:47] <sverzegnassi> mcphail: that's really interesting!
[23:48] <mcphail> sverzegnassi: my syncthing app on the store exploits it to run in the background
[23:48] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, I reproduced that bug
[23:48] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, and I know why it's happening
[23:51] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, yeah it's a bug in the life cycle exception handler
[23:52] <jhodapp> sverzegnassi, I just did a test, when you shut the screen off during the splash screen, the app doesn't get suspended
[23:53] <sverzegnassi> jhodapp: ouch... seems like mcphail's app won't be working in future. sorry! :-)
[23:54] <mcphail> sverzegnassi: they've been threatening to fix that bug for months. I won't worry yet :)
[23:54] <sverzegnassi> haha
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[06:29] <pandatrone> hello Mir people
[06:30] <pandatrone> i get 10-50% more FPS with glmark2 on OTA8 compared to OTA5
[06:30] <pandatrone> on mx4
[06:30] <pandatrone> good job
[10:25] <alan_g> alf_: thanks for picking up the NestedServer test issue
[10:25] <alf_> alan_g: np
[14:02] <dandrader> alan_g, need your input https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1517615
[14:03] <alan_g> dandrader: looking...
[14:03] <dandrader> alan_g, this solve https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1515921 for ChrisTownsend
[14:03] <dandrader> s/solve/solved
[14:04] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: After chatting w/ bregma about that, the "--enable-hardware-cursor" option was added back in the day as a hack to get a cursor in the Unity 8 desktop session until Unity 8 provided its own cursor.
[14:06] <ChrisTownsend> dandrader: Since Unity 8 now provides its own cursor, I think the option can be safely removed.
[14:06] <alan_g> dandrader: I think enable-hardware-cursor is a USC specific "feature"
[14:06] <dandrader> ChrisTownsend, I commented on the bug with my understanding on the issue
[14:07] <dandrader> alan_g, ah, so it's not about a switch for using a hardware cursor instead of a software one?
[14:07] <alan_g> // This is a workaround for u8 desktop preview in 14.04 for the lack of client cursor API.
[14:07] <alan_g> // We need to disable the cursor for XMir but leave it on for the desktop preview.
[14:07] <alan_g> // Luckily as it stands they run inside seperate instances of USC. ~racarr
[14:08] <alan_g> dandrader: no, it enables a USC specific cursor
[14:08] <dandrader> alan_g, ah, ok. great. then I think we can remove not only the parameter from the lightdm call but also its implementation in usc
[14:11] <alan_g> Hmm. actually reading the code more carefully it is an option to enable the Mir cursor that defaults to disabling the cursor.
[14:14] <alan_g> dandrader: ^ - so removing the parameter is likely best.
[14:16] <dandrader> alan_g, ok
[14:29] <bregma> really, I'd leave it in u-s-c for now, because we may want that when prototyping kiosk applications, but remove it as default in lightdm (and make it a config option there)
[14:46] <alan_g> alf_: any progress on lp:1517781?
[14:46] <alf_> alan_g: Yes, but I need to perform some more testing to ensure the fix doesn't have any side effects
[14:47] <alan_g> Excellent!
[18:47] <popey> bschaefer, do you know what causes the issue on nexus 4 where sdl2 apps show two copies of the screen side-by-side?
[18:47] <bschaefer> popey, yup!
[18:47] <popey> is it an SDL/Mir issue or something which can be fixed in the game?
[18:47] <popey> good!
[18:47] <bschaefer> SDL issue
[18:47] <popey> awesome.
[18:48] <bschaefer> popey, fix is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~brandontschaefer/+junk/SDL2-new-mir-ABI
[18:48] <bschaefer> as well as the touch screen issue
[18:48] <popey> ooooh
[18:48] <popey> which issue is that?
[18:48] <bschaefer> touch wouldnt work :)
[18:48] <popey> hah
[18:48] <popey> okay, good one to fix :)
[18:48] <bschaefer> because i made.... up = down and down = up
[18:48] <bschaefer> yeah
[18:48] <popey> lulz
[18:48] <popey> I'll build that and have a play, thanks!
[18:48] <popey> it's fun playing doom on an e4.5 :)
[18:49] <popey> http://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-11-19-184911.png
[18:49] <popey> :)
[18:50] <bschaefer> haha awesome!
[18:55] <popey> bschaefer, out of interest what do you build armhf things on locally?
[18:55] <popey> I'm building on a nexus 7, but feel I could probably benefit from maybe using a chromebook with more storage (and a screen and keyboard)
[18:55] <bschaefer> popey, on my N4
[18:55] <bschaefer> or cross build
[18:55] <bschaefer> from pbuilder
[18:55] <bschaefer> pbuilder-dist vivid armhf build *.dsc
[18:55] <bschaefer> popey, that could work as well
[18:55] <popey> good point
[18:56] * bschaefer always finds arm slow to compile no matter the device :)
[18:56] <bschaefer> have to wait for the compiler to catch up
[18:58] <popey> I keep running out of space
[18:58] <popey> so thinking of a cheapo acer chromebook
[18:58] <bschaefer> popey, yeah thats my issue on N4
[18:58] <bschaefer> soo i just use the pbuilder-dist for now... copy over debs
[18:58] <bschaefer> and install thought it sucks when you need to debug
[18:59] <bschaefer> when i need to debug i've to build on a device
[19:39] <popey> hmm bschaefer it's failing to build here - http://paste.ubuntu.com/13351541/
[19:39] <bschaefer> popey, its not building mir :), hmm strange what version of mir do you have?
[19:41] <popey> bschaefer, which package should I look for version of?
[19:41] <bschaefer> mirclient-dev
[19:42] <popey> Installed: 0.17.1+15.04.20151105.1-0ubuntu1
[19:42] <bschaefer> hmm that should be fine...
[19:42] <bschaefer> popey, try --enable-video-mir
[19:42] <bschaefer> but it should be default...
[19:43] <popey> ok
[19:44] <popey> Time passes... :)
[19:44] <mcphail> bschaefer: you can det up a symbol server and use that for remote debugging
[19:44] <mcphail> bschaefer: saves building on the device
[19:45] <bschaefer> nice ill have to look into that
[19:46] <mcphail> bschaefer: there's a good youtube vid from one of the valve developer conferences which explains it better than I could
[19:47] <bschaefer> o nice ill have to take a look
[19:48] <mcphail> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTmAknUbpB0 - about half way through that one
[20:02] <popey> bah, build failed again
[20:02] <bschaefer> :(
[20:03] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13351832/
[20:03] <bschaefer> says mire support = no
[20:03] <bschaefer> mir*
[20:04] <bschaefer> popey, do you have libxkbcommon-dev?
[20:04] <popey> yes, 0.4.3-2
[20:05] <bschaefer> popey, you can ... try to manually edit the configure.in
[20:05] <bschaefer> under CheckMir
[20:05] <bschaefer> to force it to be enabled... as that doesnt make much sense... something is wrong
[20:06] <bschaefer> you also have libegl1-mesa-dev?
[20:06] <popey> i do
[20:07] <bschaefer> :::(
[20:07] <bschaefer> its only been a week since i've tried this on vivid + overlay
[20:07] <bschaefer> and it worked...
[20:07] <popey> :(
[20:07] * popey dist-upgrades
[20:07] <popey> dunno how old this tablet has got
[20:08] <popey> probably new crack since I last updated
[20:08] <bschaefer> well ... you said mir was 0.17
[20:08] <bschaefer> which is more then enough
[20:08] <bschaefer> (i just changed to 0.14/0.15)
[20:08] * bschaefer checks again
[20:11] <popey> :(
[20:12] <mcphail> popey: can't you just cross-compile in a chroot?
[20:12] <popey> probably could, yeah
[20:12] <popey> will do if I can't get this working
[20:12] <popey> don't understand what's going wrong
[20:12] <bschaefer> checking for Mir support... yes
[20:13] <bschaefer> Installed: 0.17.0+15.10.20151008.2+r3103~daily1~ubuntu16.04.1
[20:13] <bschaefer> hmm you have a newer version
[20:13] * bschaefer upgrades
[20:14] <mcphail> popey: isn't it just looking for X and not finding it?
[20:14] <mcphail> (which would be expected)
[20:15] <popey> hmm
[20:15] * mcphail doesn't recommend debuild for this kind of thing
[20:16] <mcphail> popey: the failure is on line 587
[20:16] <bschaefer> huh ... im still at 0.17.0
[20:17] <bschaefer> you can try (and it should be there?) --disable-video-x11
[20:17] <bschaefer> but it builds it
[20:17] <bschaefer> mcphail, theres the other issue of mir not building though
[20:18] <mcphail> bschaefer: probably just pkg-config looking in the wrong place
[20:19] <popey> we need an armhf ppa for your bleeding edge sdl :)
[20:19] <bschaefer> haha... well you have a better version of mir then i do (still waiting on 0.17.1 to actually fix the color format issue
[20:19] <bschaefer> popey, o wait... that clone issue *isnt* fixed in that branch
[20:19] <mcphail> bschaefer: what's the link to your repo again? I'll try building in a chroot
[20:20] <bschaefer> since im waiting for 0.17.1 :)
[20:20] <popey> ooh!
[20:20] <popey> good!
[20:20] * popey ctrl-cs the build
[20:20] <bschaefer> (need to ask egl the pixel format is the issue)
[20:20] <mcphail> ha!
[20:20] <bschaefer> vs picking a supported one
[20:20] <popey> I don't want to push my silly dosbox click to the store with this problem
[20:20] <bschaefer> yeah
[20:20] <popey> will get angry mail from nexus 4 owners :)
[20:20] <bschaefer> i can imagine, unless they like that sort of thing
[20:21] <bschaefer> (though input would be all wonky)
[20:21] <mcphail> popey: tell them it is virtual reality
[20:21] <popey> hah, need to buy a proprietary lens and cardboard from me
[20:21] <popey> it's a shame we can't detect device in the store, and say "No to you!" for people with duff devices
[20:22] <popey> bschaefer, is there no workaround for this?
[20:22] <popey> in the app
[20:23] <popey> neverball had this issue, and I think they worked around it in the app..
[20:23] <bschaefer> popey, whats a duff device?
[20:23] <popey> nexus 4, nexus 7
[20:23] <popey> (devices where it doesn't render correctly)
[20:23] <bschaefer> but as far as sdl2 cares ... its just weather its supports the rendering library or not
[20:24] <bschaefer> hell, armhf thinks glx works because the headers exist :)
[20:24] <bschaefer> soo theres nothing to fancy for checking rendering atm
[20:24] <bschaefer> sdl2 armhf* thinks glx works because opengl installs those headers
[20:30] <popey> wonder if I can tell dosbox to request some other mode from sdl
[20:30] <popey> is there some other mode I could use maybe
[20:30] <popey> lower colour depth maybe
[20:30] * popey is clutching at straws now
[20:34] <popey> https://github.com/pseuudonym404/neverball-touch/commit/1f50b5f20d4eaa0d024379ca2363a4f2bae2f631 that's what the neverball person did
[20:39] <mcphail> try it
[20:42] * popey rebuilds dosbox
[21:07] <popey> didn't fix it :(
[21:08] <bschaefer> popey, only way is to recompile with
[21:08] <bschaefer> umm
[21:09] <bschaefer> SDL_mirwindow.c:111: surfaceparm.pixel_format = FindValidPixelFormat(mir_data);
[21:09] <bschaefer> to
[21:09] <bschaefer> SDL_mirwindow.c:111: surfaceparm.pixel_format = mir_pixel_format_rgb_565;
[21:09] <bschaefer> popey, but this will cause issues on other devices (maybae?)
[21:10] <popey> hmmm
[21:11] * popey looks for a cheeky ppa to build it in
[21:11] <bschaefer> ppas dont usually build for armf :(
[21:11] <bschaefer> armhf*
[21:11] <popey> I have one that does, on bare metal
[21:12] <bschaefer> o nice
[21:21] <popey> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-community/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/8320572
[21:21] <popey> lets see
[21:24] <mcphail> bschaefer: any chance you can persuade them to release sdl2.0.4 soon? We've been on 2.0.3 for ages and we're never going to get the mir fixes in the repos if we don't get a new version
[21:25] <popey> them being Sam?
[21:25] <mcphail> Is it all down to Sam?
[21:26] <mcphail> Looking at some of the 2.0.4 grubles on mailing lists I thought it was more complex than just going through Sam
[21:26] <bschaefer> IIRC deb is still on 2.0.2
[21:26] <bschaefer> mcphail, and i cant push upstream until the LTS is released
[21:27] <bschaefer> since upstream follows the LTS
[21:27] <mcphail> bschaefer: aah. OK
[21:27] <popey> mcphail, worth taking a snapshot of 2.0.4 and putting in this ppa for fun and lulz?
[21:27] <bschaefer> the plan is to get all the fixes merged into archive
[21:27] <bschaefer> from a ubuntu patch
[21:27] <bschaefer> but need to wait for 0.17.1 ...
[21:28] <mcphail> popey: my old sdl build was a "2.0.4" snapshot, but, of course, won't have bschaefer's fixes
[21:28] <popey> right
[21:28] <mcphail> bschaefer: presumably that isn't in OTA8?
[21:29] <bschaefer> OTA8?
[21:29] <popey> whats on the phone today
[21:29] <mcphail> bschaefer: current release on the phone
[21:29] <bschaefer> yeah its not
[21:29] <bschaefer> trying to get the patch done but got side tracked on something i have to finish for mir
[21:29] <bschaefer> before 0.18 :)
[21:29] <mcphail> :)
[21:35] <popey> hm, failed to build in the same way
[21:35] <popey> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/227045641/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-armhf.libsdl2_2.0.3~ppa1~vivid1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:35] <popey> bah
[21:36] * popey gives up for tonight
[21:37] <popey> mcphail, is it worth (for fun) taking your 2.0.4 snapshot and integrating bschaefer's patches?
[21:37] <popey> or not worth it until 0.17.1 of mir?
[21:38] <bschaefer> it doesnt have any video drivers :(
[21:38] <bschaefer> not sure what causing the failure at the end, but even if it worked, nothing would work :)
[21:38] <mcphail> popey: don't hink it is worth it, tbh. I'm sure bschaefer's branch will be better in every way
[21:38] <popey> yeah
[21:39] <popey> I'll just play with stuff on my bq for now and not upload anything till it's working
[21:39] <mcphail> Shame
[21:39] <popey> appreciate the help chaps, this is one of the more fun parts of hacking
[21:39] <bschaefer> haha
[21:39] * bschaefer enjoys the programming bits more
[21:39] <mcphail> A device isn't viable until it has run doom
[21:41] <bschaefer> haha
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[00:07] <jun> 그래도 5월에 들어오면 볼거리는 많아서 좋죠~ ㅎㅎㅎ
[00:07] <jun> 축제도 많이하구
[00:08] <Work^Seony> 오 그렇군요
[00:40] <autowiz> 5월에 오시면 5월의 오즈를 만나보실 수 있으십니다.
[00:40] <Work^Seony> 4월은 4월의 오즈님인가요? ㅎㅎ
[00:41] <autowiz> 당연합니다. ㅎㅎ
[01:30] <jun> 11월에 오즈형은 어떤 모습인가요;;;;;
[01:33] <autowiz> 가을남자? ㅋㅎㅎ
[01:39] <jun> 형 특유의 스타일 있으시잖아요 ㅎㅎㅎ
[01:39] <jun> 정장에 스냅백!
[01:40] <autowiz> 백팩도 있었는데 지하철 탈때 너무 불편해서 요즘잘 안매고 다님 ㅋㅋ
[01:40] <jun> 오늘 아침에도 백팩으로 아줌마한테 테러를 해버려가꾸;;;
[01:40] <jun> 백팩을 최대한 안매고 다녀야하나...고민중입니다
[01:41] <autowiz> 서류가방 같은게 좋기는 한데. 엔지니어들 짐이 생각보다 많거든
[01:41] <autowiz> 노트북만 있는다고 되는것도 아니고 생각보다 힘듬
[01:41] <autowiz> 힘듦
[01:42] <jun> 슬림하면서도 이쁘고.. 생각보다 많이 들어가는 서류가방을 찾아봐야겠네요
[01:43] <autowiz> 나 같은경우에는 시리얼 컨버터 , 시리얼 케이블 , + - 드라이버 , 미니드라이버 , 더하기 각종 잡다한거 까지 가지고 다니다보니
[01:44] <jun> 전 노트북에다가 어뎁터 그리고 문서파일이랑 펜? 그러면 끝!!!!
[01:44] <jun> 이긴한테.... 보조 배터리에 우산에...
[01:44] <autowiz> 아니면 007 가방 같은거중에 좀 큰거 있거든
[01:46] <autowiz> 그런건 노트북이랑 간단한 짐 (우산, 보조배터리) 은 들어갈것도 같네
[01:46] <autowiz> 가죽이나 섬유로만 된 가방은 빵빵해질꺼 같아서
[01:49] <jun> 음~ 이래나 저래나~ 힘드네요 ㅎㅎㅎ
[01:49] <jun> 백팩은 옆사람때문에 힘들구
[01:51] <ipeter> 안녕하세요?
[01:51] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[01:51] <ipeter> 직장 내에서도 케미스트리가 중요하죠?
[01:52] <jun> 완전 중요하죠!
[01:52] <Work^Seony> chemistry는 화학 아닌가요?
[01:52] <ipeter> 뭐 사람들과의 융합이나
[01:52] <ipeter> 직장내에 대인관계 및 사회생활에 대한 표현으로도 쓰이는것으로 알고 있습니ㅏㄷ.
[01:52] <ipeter> 스포츠 분야에서도 쓰이구요.
[01:52] <Work^Seony> 그런걸 케미스트리라고 하는군요... 좀 이상한 표현이네요 ㅎㅎ
[01:52] <ipeter> 보통은 스포츠 분야에서 쓰이죠.
[01:53] <autowiz> "캐미" 라는 표현을 몇년전부터 한국에서 많이 쓰는데
[01:55] <Work^Seony> 콜라보레이션은 종종 봤어요
[01:55] <autowiz> 코드가 잘 맞아서 기분이 너무너무 업되는걸 말하는거 같습니다. 마치 사랑에 빠져서 도파민이 마구 나오는거 처럼
[01:55] <Work^Seony> 근데 사실 미국 살면서 콜라보 단어 듣는 일이 좀 드문 편인데, 한국에서는 많이 쓰더라구요...
[01:56] <autowiz> 포텐 터진다 라는 말도 종종하는데 좀 거슬리긴 하는데 .. .뭐 어쩔 수 없는듯
[01:57] <Work^Seony> 걍 외래어가 들어와서 우리말이 된 말이라고 생각합니다 ㅎㅎ
[01:58] <Work^Seony> 일본사람들이 굿즈goods라는 단어 많이 쓰는거 같은데, 정작 저는 여기서 거의 본 적이 없거든요...
[01:59] <razGon_MINILA> 케미스트리라는게 일본드라마나 애니서 종종나오더군요
[01:59] <razGon_MINILA> 그것을 줄여서 케미.
[02:00] <Work^Seony> 아~ 일본에서 시작한 말일 수도 있군요..
[02:00] <razGon_MINILA> 뭐 외국것을 우리나라것으로 시작하는 거라.
[02:00] <Work^Seony> razGon_MINILA, 어제 페북으로 안부 메시지 한 번 보 내려고 했습니다 ㅎㅎ
[02:00] <razGon_MINILA> BECK이라는 만화 보면
[02:00] <razGon_MINILA> 아....
[02:00] <razGon_MINILA> 잘계시죠?
[02:00] <Work^Seony> 네 뭐 저는 걍 맨날 똑같아요
[02:00] <razGon_MINILA> 요즘 정신 없습니다.
[02:00] <Work^Seony> 바쁘면 좋은거죠 ㅎㅎ
[02:00] <razGon_MINILA> 그냥 제가 걷는게 아닌 밀려서 가는 느낌?
[02:01] <razGon_MINILA> 그냥 복잡해요..
[02:01] <razGon_MINILA> 바쁜거보다는...
[02:01] <Work^Seony> 흐 그렇군요... 뭔가 엄청 많은 일들이 주변에서 오가고있나보네요...
[02:03] <razGon_MINILA> 병원을 옮기려고 해서요.
[02:03] <razGon_MINILA> 6년동안 한곳을 나오려니 복잡다단하네요.
[02:03] <razGon_MINILA> 나와야 하는 상황.
[02:03] <razGon_MINILA> http://blog.naver.com/lakingmania1/220543628437
[02:04] <razGon_MINILA> 손흥민... 그는 피끓는 청춘.ㅎ
[02:04] <HolyKnight> 트윗펌: 리) 십여년전 플스2가 국내정발 되자 많은 예비신랑들이 DVD 플레이어라고 빵치고 혼수로 들여놓았다 분노한 신부들이 창밖으로 던져 버렸다는 도시전설이...ㅜ.ㅜ
[02:04] <Work^Seony> 아... 그때 중국으로 가신다고 한 번 얘기하셨던 거 같네요
[02:04] <razGon_MINILA> 그래야 앞으로 5년을 견뎌낼수가 있엇어요.
[02:04] <razGon_MINILA> 아니요.ㅎ
[02:05] <razGon_MINILA> 그건 바램이구요.
[02:05] <razGon_MINILA> 베트남.ㅎ
[02:05] <Work^Seony> 아 아닌가요 ㅎㅎ
[02:05] <Work^Seony> 아 비엣남..
[02:05] <razGon_MINILA> 그건 뭐가 맞아야 하고.ㅎ
[02:05] <razGon_MINILA> 중국은 디즈니랜드 땜시.ㅎ
[02:05] <razGon_MINILA> 애들데리고 내년 놀러갈계획에...
[02:05] <Work^Seony> 아 그런거군요..
[02:06] <razGon_MINILA> 지금 광주에서 좀더 주변 도시로 가려구요.
[02:06] <Work^Seony> 경쟁이 치열한가봐요?
[02:07] <razGon_MINILA> 그것보다. 방주짓는다 생각하고 이동하려구요
[02:07] <razGon_MINILA> 우리나라가 3년-5년내로 큰 경기하락이 온다는 것을 예상하고 움직이려구요
[02:07] <Work^Seony> 아~ 미래를 대비하시는 부분도 있군요
[02:08] <razGon_MINILA> 지금은 계속 출근해야 하는데.
[02:08] <Work^Seony> 아까 인터넷 어디서, 초등학교 입학 사진 년도별로 보여주는데 정말 팍팍 줄어들더라구요
[02:08] <razGon_MINILA> 수익때문에.
[02:08] <razGon_MINILA> ㅇㅇ
[02:08] <razGon_MINILA> 환자를 보는 일수를 늘려야 수익이 나는 구조라서.
[02:08] <razGon_MINILA> 오너 쉐프라고 생각하시면 됩니다.
[02:08] <Work^Seony> 흐... 그렇군요...
[02:09] <razGon_MINILA> 요식업과 다른점은 가격이 정부에서 정해준대로 해야 합니다.
[02:09] <Work^Seony> 점점 더 힘들어지시는군요
[02:09] <razGon_MINILA> 그런 부분에서는 경기에 덜민감해야하는데. 도시쪽은 아무래도 많이 민감하더군요.
[02:10] <razGon_MINILA> 그래서 자체 경제력이 있는 주변 도시로 이동하려구요.
[02:10] <Work^Seony> 괜찮은 생각 같네요
[02:11] <razGon_MINILA> 광역시급에서는 규모의 경제로 가는 면이 많죠.
[02:11] <razGon_MINILA> 아무래도 작은 의원에서 회당 10만원짜리 시술하기는 힘드니 말이죠.
[02:11] <razGon_MINILA> 큰 병원에서는 당연하듯이 하는데 말이죠.
[02:11] <razGon_MINILA> 효과는 제가 더 좋기는 한데. 문제는 인식이라. 그런거면 고집피우지 말고 흐름에 맞겨야 된다생각해서요
[02:11] <Work^Seony> 그럼, 이제 곧 "조만간" 가시는 건가요?
[02:11] <razGon_MINILA> 혼자 가더라도.
[02:12] <razGon_MINILA> 음. 내년 초중반으로 기획하고 있습니다.
[02:12] <razGon_MINILA> 혼자 가서있고, 주말에 간간히 쉬면서 가족들과 여행 많이 가는게 출근하는것보다 낫겟더군요
[02:12] <Work^Seony> 본의 아니게 주말 부부가 되시는 거군요...
[02:13] <razGon_MINILA> 차라리 그게 낫겟다 생각되서요.
[02:13] <Work^Seony> 어찌보면 상당히 결정하기 힘드실 거 같아요
[02:13] <razGon_MINILA> 여러 복잡 다단한 마음들이 엉켜잇죠.
[02:13] <Work^Seony> 가족들이랑 떨어지는 게, 아무리 가까운 곳이라도 1주일에 두어번 만난다는게 쉬운 일은 아닐텐데요...
[02:14] <razGon_MINILA> 뭐 만나는 시간을 길게 하면되죠.
[02:14] <Work^Seony> 저야 혼자 있는거 좋아하고, 혼자 있으면서 게임하고 이것저것 할게 많아서 괜찮긴 한데요,
[02:15] <Work^Seony> 그렇지 않으시면 좀 힘드시지 않을까 걱정됩니다
[02:16] <razGon_LeO660M> 갑자기 접속이 나가 버리네요.ㅎ
[02:16] <HolyKnight> http://m.blog.naver.com/indizio/220543449492
[02:16] <razGon_LeO660M> 증권 프로그램 떄문인가?ㅎ
[02:17] <Work^Seony> 설마 다른 네트워크 프로그램을 차단할 리가요 ㅎㅎ
[02:21] <razGon_LeO660M> 그래요
[02:21] <razGon_LeO660M> 보안을 이유로.ㅎ
[02:22] <Work^Seony> 아... 그럴 수도 있겠군요...
[02:32] <PotatoGim> 에고.. 사무실 이전한다고 정신이 없네요.
[02:38] <autowiz> 아아아 씨씨 ~~~~ 부채~~~~
[02:41] <autowiz> 새신을 신고 뛰어보자 폴짝 ... 머리가 하늘까지 닫겠네....
[02:41] <autowiz> 새신~~ 발
[02:43] <autowiz> http://post.naver.com/viewer/postView.nhn?volumeNo=2916297&memberNo=11710666 꽤 장문이네요 ㅎㅎㅎ
[02:44] <Work^Seony> 오덕스러워요 ㅋㅋ
[02:46] <semosi> 오랜만에 들어와 봅니다.
[02:47] <Work^Seony> 헐 인사 중이었는데 ㅎㅎ
[02:47] <bluedusk> 헐
[02:47] <bluedusk> 오토위즈님 오떡이셨군요
[02:47] <bluedusk> ....
[02:47] <Work^Seony> ㅋㅋ
[02:48] <autowiz> 제가 아는 그림도 몇몇 있군요 ㅋㅋ
[02:48] <Work^Seony> 아 이거 너무 와닿는 표현이네요 http://ppomppu.co.kr/zboard/view.php?id=freeboard&no=3411633
[02:51] <Work^Seony> 여기는 리플이 더 재밌네요 http://www.todayhumor.co.kr/board/view.php?table=bestofbest&no=223656
[03:31] <autowiz> 준준준
[03:32] <autowiz> 네 노트북 hosts 파일 복구 시켜라 그 네이버 같은거 ㅋㅋ
[04:28] <jun> 점심먹고 나니 무진장 졸리네요;;;~.~
[04:29] <jun> 아...생각못하고 있었는데 알겠습니다
[05:13] <koolDJ> 안녕하세요
[05:14] <jun> 안녕하세요~
[05:15] <koolDJ> 노트북에 우분투 쓰고싶어요
[05:15] <koolDJ> ㅠㅠ
[05:15] <jun> ..???
[05:15] <koolDJ> 노트북에 우분투를 설치했는데 멈춤현상이 심해서요
[05:15] <koolDJ> 전원도 꺼지지 않아요 ㅠ
[05:16] <koolDJ> 제가 포럼에 질문을 올렸는데, 다들 답을 못해주시는거 보니 포기해야하나 싶어서요 ㅠ
[05:16] <jun> 으흠....
[05:17] <jun> 우분투로 들어가지는데 멈춤현상이 발생하다가 어느순간 멈춰버린다는 이야기신가요?
[05:17] <koolDJ> 우선 처음 부팅할때는 멀쩡히 돌아가요
[05:17] <koolDJ> 그러다가 쓰다보면 멈춤현상 나오고, 그리고 셧다운할때 멈춰요
[05:17] <koolDJ> 셧다운, 리부트 이런거 하면 아예 꺼지질 않아요
[05:18] <jun> 혹시 노트북 종류랑 모델명을 알수 있을까요?
[05:18] <koolDJ> acpi=off/force도 안먹는지라 ㅠㅠ
[05:18] <koolDJ> 한성컴퓨터 X54K bossmonster
[05:18] <koolDJ> 클래보
[05:18] <koolDJ> OEM입니다 정확히. 분명 이전에 설치할때 우분투는 멀쩡히 돌아갔었어요.
[05:19] <Ferendevelop> koolDJ: 뭐가 문제신가요?
[05:20] <koolDJ> 으음
[05:20] <koolDJ> 포럼에 쓴글 보여드릴께요
[05:20] <jun> 지금 설치한 우분투 버전은요?
[05:20] <koolDJ> https://ask.ubuntu-kr.org/?qa=323/%EC%9A%B0%EB%B6%84%ED%88%AC-15-10%EB%A5%BC-%EB%85%B8%ED%8A%B8%EB%B6%81%EC%97%90-%EC%84%A4%EC%B9%98%ED%95%B4%EC%84%9C-%EC%93%B0%EB%8A%94%EB%8D%B0-%EA%BA%BC%EC%A7%90%EB%8F%99%EC%9E%91%EC%9D%B4-%EC%95%88%EB%90%98%EA%B3%A0-%EB%A9%88%EC%B6%A4%ED%98%84%EC%83%81%EC%9D%B4-%EC%9E%A6%EC%8A%B5%EB%8B%88%EB%8B%A4
[05:20] <koolDJ> 15.10
[05:21] <koolDJ> 14.04로 다운그레이드 시켜도 그렇고. 리눅스민트를 사용해도 동일한 증상입니다.
[05:21] <koolDJ> 하드웨어적인 문제가 아닐까 싶은데, 윈도우는 멀쩡히 전원이 셧다운이 되었어요.
[05:23] <koolDJ> 글에 작성한대로 무선랜 드라이버가 잡히다가 안잡히는 것도 문제가 있나보네요. 노트북이 고의적으로 리눅스만 못쓰게 만들리는 없고 답답해서요 ㅠ
[05:23] <jun> 한성컴퓨터 관련되서 비슷한 사례를 어디서 보긴 한거 같긴한데...저도 좀 찾아봐야겠네요
[05:24] <koolDJ> 피드백을 위해서 이야기하자면 전에는 멀쩡히 돌아갔어요. 외국포럼을 보니 같은 증상이 다른 회사 컴퓨터에도 있더라고요.
[05:25] <koolDJ> 다만 acpi관련 문제는 아닌것 같고, 참으로 머리아프네요.
[05:26] <koolDJ> 그래픽 작업도 하고, 프로그래밍도 공부하고, 나중에 사람이랑 만나서 게임할때 대비해서 게임도 해야하는데 우분투 삽질을 하다가 막히다니 ㅠㅠ
[05:27] <koolDJ> 아 그리고 usb 라이브부팅할때 해당노트북으로 하면 로딩렉이 엄청나게 심했어요.
[05:53] <jun> 예전에 문서를 본거 같은데 어디서 봤는지 기억이 안나네요;;;
[06:14] <autowiz> 아 저도 같은 노트북을 썼었었는데
[06:15] <autowiz> 가끔 되다말다 했던것도 같구요 ㅠㅠ
[06:19] <autowiz> nolapic , noapic 도 같이 걸었던것도 같은데
[06:19] <autowiz> usb 부팅에서 로딩렉 걸리는건 제가 이제껏 봤던 컴중에 30% 는 그랬던거 같습니다.
[06:19] <Ferendevelop> koolDJ: 로그를 봐야 좀 더 자세히 알 수 있을 것 같네요.
[06:20] <autowiz> 부팅하고나서는 괜찮은데 부팅하는데 엄청 느리더라구요
[06:20] <koolDJ> 로그는 어떻게해서 뽑으면 되나요
[06:20] <koolDJ> 한번 설치한뒤 보여드리고 싶은데
[06:21] <autowiz> /var/log 디렉토리 용량이 그렇게 안크시면 압축해서 웹에 올려주시면 감사하겠습니다 ^^
[06:22] <koolDJ> 감사합니다
[06:22] <koolDJ> 한번 설치다시 해보고 오류난다 싶으면 올릴께요
[06:22] <koolDJ> 근데 제가 채팅방에 항상 들를수있는게 아니라서 게시판 같은데서 올릴수있나요
[06:23] <autowiz> 개인 블로그에 올리시거나 우분투 포럼 게시판에 쓰셔도 될듯합니다.
[06:23] <autowiz> 용량이 좀 커지면 첨부파일은 다른 사이트(파일 업로드 해서 링크 던저주는 사이트들 몇몇 있습니다) 에 올리시고
[06:24] <koolDJ> 그럼 제가 시간날때 올리도록 할께요 노트북유저분들에게 도움이 될수있기 바랬으면 하네요
[06:24] <autowiz> 링크만 포럼 게시판에 남기셔도 되구요. (가능한 개인정보는 지우고 올리시면 좋은데 뭐 그래봐야 IP 랑 맥주소밖에 더 있겠습니까 ㅎㅎ)
[06:24] <koolDJ> 업로드 방법은 구글 드라이브 같은데서 올리면되고 해서 문제는 없을 것 같아요
[06:24] <koolDJ> 바쁘신데 봐주셔서 감사합니다.
[06:25] <koolDJ> 다시 우분투 usb이미지나 넣어야지
[06:26] <koolDJ> 이만 나가볼께요 좋은하루 되세요
[06:28] <autowiz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/52096/what-do-the-different-boot-options-mean-i-e-acpi-off-noapic-nolapic-etc
[07:18] <samahui_WS> 환상적인으로 바쁜 하루군요
[07:20] <samahui_WS> 어제 살짝 자고 온다는게 밤새 자버려서 오전 내내 열심히 일했으나... 에러를 뿜어내는 현실이 우울하군요
[07:28] <autowiz> 괜찮습니다. 잘 해결 될꺼라 믿습니다 ^^
[07:32] <samahui_WS> 역시... 이제 늙었나봐요... 해결은 안되고 점점 더 에러를 뿜습니다 ㅎㅎ;;
[07:33] <samahui_WS> 아니면... 너무 못자서 머리가 안돌아가는지도... 아무래도 오늘은 일찍가서 자야겠어요
[07:33] <autowiz> 아 ㅠㅠ 저도 정말 간단한거였는데 이상하게 해결하는데 이틀정도 걸린적이 있습니다.
[07:34] <autowiz> 삽질을 아주 오지게 했습니다 ㅋㅋ 불과 이틀전이군요
[07:34] <autowiz> 안되는게 될때의 짜릿함을 간만에 느껴봤습니다 ㅋㅋ
[07:34] <samahui_WS> 요즘 점점더 그런게 늘어나는 느낌이예요 ㅎㅎ ;;
[07:37] <samahui_WS> 오늘은 칼퇴근 해야겠네요 가서 시원한 맥주에 치킨 뜯으면서 야구나보면서 아내와 딸과 오손도손... 은 상상이고 ... 야구는 틀면 아이가 울며 만화틀어달라고 때쓸꺼고... 맥주 마시면 애 못본다고 아내가 바가지 긁을것이니... ㅎㅎ;; 가서 그냥 디비 자야겠어요
[07:37] <samahui_WS> 그래도 아이와 아내보면 흐믓하니 ... 콩깍지 지대로 쓰인게 맞겠죠? ㅎ;ㅎ;;
[07:38] <samahui_WS> 아무튼 전 이만 아웃 합니다. 퇴근 전까지 사장실가서 사장이나 갈궈야 겠어요
[07:38] <samahui_WS> 즐거운 저녁 시간들 보내시고 저녁식사 맛있게들하세요~
[07:42] <autowiz> 가족분들과 즐거운 저녁 시간 되십시요~~
[07:44] <ipeter> 흥.
[08:46] <autowiz> http://www.etnews.com/20140328000144
[08:47] <autowiz> 음... 저도 기사 읽는도중이긴 한데
[08:49] <autowiz> 엡 자체 알고리즘은 금방 풀려버릴거 같은 느낌이 드는건 저혼자생각일까요
[08:51] <autowiz> 아 세션별로 난수를 생성해서 저장하고 있겠다라.
[08:55] <jun> 그러게요... 조금 복잡해졌을뿐이지.. 뚤릴꺼같은데요;;;
[09:00] <ipeter> 아앗
[09:00] <ipeter> 사마휘님.
[09:00] <ipeter> 아프리카로 보는 방법도 있는데....ㅠ
[09:58] <HolyKnight> http://www.bloter.net/archives/244097
[11:49] <ipeter_> 안녕하세요?
[11:50] <Ferendevelop> ipeter_: 안녕하세요?
[14:43] <PotatoGim> 안녕하세요~
[14:43] <PotatoGim> 요새는 이사 준비한다고 정신이 없네요;;
[14:56] <autowiz> 사무실이요? 집이요?
[15:19] <PotatoGim> 사무실이 이사 중입니다 ㅎㅎ
[15:19] <PotatoGim> 오늘 서버랑 랙은 다 넘어갔고..
[15:19] <PotatoGim> 내일 개인 짐들이 넘어가구요 ㅎㅎ
[17:19] <autowiz_> 아이고 힘드시겠어요
[18:16] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[18:31] <autowiz_> 안녕하세요~
[18:32] <Work^Seony> 어제 야구로 뉴스가 난리군요 ㅎㅎ
[18:42] <autowiz_> 어디가 이겼나요? ㅎㅎ
[18:43] <Work^Seony> 8회까지 한국이 0:3으로 지다가,
[18:43] <Work^Seony> 9회에 4:3으로 역전승 했어요
[18:43] <autowiz_> 우와 대역전극이네요
[18:43] <autowiz_> ㅎㅎ 승부조작은 아니겠지요? ㅋㅋ
[18:43] <Work^Seony> 한일전에 조작이 통할리가요 ㅋㅋ
[18:44] <Work^Seony> 한일전에서 조작으로 한국 우승 나오려면, 일본이 망하기 직전은 되야할걸요
[18:44] <autowiz_> 한일전이었던건가요 ㅋㅋㅋ
[18:44] <Work^Seony> 일본 선발투수는 실력이 어마어마하더라구요
[18:45] <Work^Seony> 7회까지 무실점 11 탈삼진
[18:45] <Work^Seony> 여기에 노히트
[18:45] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎ
[18:45] <autowiz_> 대박이네요
[18:45] <Work^Seony> 일본애들 반응이, 걔가 너무 잘하니까 감독이 한국을 얕봐서 그리됐따고...
[18:45] <autowiz_> 그럼 8회에 투수교체 하고 그렇게 된건가요
[18:46] <Work^Seony> 7회 중간에 교체한거 같아요
[18:47] <Work^Seony> 뉴스 보니까, 7회 동안 단 1안타만 허용했다고 하네요
[18:47] <Work^Seony> 노히트로 본거 같은데
[18:47] <autowiz_> 거의 뭐 어마무시하네요
[18:49] <Work^Seony> 하이라이트 영상 있네요 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maSpogycbmM
[18:53] <Work^Seony> 와 조낸 재밌네요 ㅎㅎ
[18:53] <Work^Seony> 저 상황 되면, 일본애들이나 우리나라나 똥줄 타겠어요
[18:53] <Work^Seony> 2:3에 만루.. ㅋㅋ
[18:53] <autowiz_> 그러게요
[18:54] <autowiz_> 몸 맞는볼 은 좀 이상하긴 한데 안이상한거 같기도하고
[18:54] <Work^Seony> 제가 야구를 잘 몰라서 그건 좀 이상해보이더라구요
[18:54] <Work^Seony> 안맞은거 같은데..
[18:55] <autowiz_> 그거보다 타격폼이 좀 이상한거 같아서
[18:56] <autowiz_> 아아 9회 초가 한국 이었네요 저는 9회말인줄 ㅋㅋ
[18:56] <Work^Seony> 저도 말인줄 알았어요
[18:57] <Work^Seony> 어쨌든 방어에 성공한거군요
[18:57] <Work^Seony> 보는 사람들 심장이 쿵쾅했겠어요 ㅎㅎ
[18:57] <JasonJang> 재밌네요. 70년대 고교 야구중에서 9회*말* 역전승 하는 감동을 다시 보는 듯한....
[18:58] <autowiz_> 오지완 대박 .... 홈런나올뻔
[18:58] <Work^Seony> 네 ㅎㅎ 간만에 되게 재밌는 경기네요
[18:58] <autowiz_> 9회말에도 아주 양팀다 긴장감 엄청났을거 같습니다.
[18:59] <Work^Seony> 아마 영국에서 축구 대신 야구가 흥했으면, 이런 상황에서 폭동 났을지도 모르겠네요 ㅎㅎ
[19:00] <autowiz_> 훌리건 들 도로에 뛰어다닐것도 같네요
[19:07] <Work^Seony> 인터넷 리플 어디선가 보니까, 9회에 나온 일본 투수가 절대 허접이 아니라네요. 엄청난 투수는 맞는데, 다만 오타니가 너무 괴물일 뿐이라는군요 ㅎㅎ
[19:11] <JasonJang> 토요일 저녁 6시 결승전이군요?!
[19:12] <JasonJang> 잘 봤습니다. 또 자야쥐~ ㅋ
[21:12] <autowiz> 영웅님 안녕하세요
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2024-05-13T22:11:29.283805
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-release
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[10:39] * lamont is curious why bcache-tools/precise-proposed is "pending publication" still, when the binaries were accepted 17 hours ago.. Do the binaries still need NEW processing or something?
[11:01] <rbasak> lamont: yes: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue
[11:02] <lamont> rbasak: wonderful url. thanks. now I just need to find me an AA..
[11:03] * rbasak throws something into NEW too
[11:06] <rbasak> ^^ this is renamed from nagios-plugins. It'll presumably need overriding to main?
[11:13] <cjwatson> lamont: done
[11:20] <lamont> ta
[13:41] <sil2100> Hello everyone! I disabled the system-image importer temporarily
[13:42] <sil2100> Will re-enable after image promotion
[14:14] <cjwatson> Laney: aha, cheers for fixing ltt-control
[14:14] <cjwatson> Laney: gdnsd is I think the other bit
[14:43] <xnox> i forgot to ask, but i assume we are merging from unstable, rather than testing for the LTS.
[14:43] <xnox> cause we are good like that.
[14:44] <cjwatson> Yes.
[15:09] <Laney> cjwatson: ah, bah, didn't notice that one
[15:45] <infinity> xnox: Yeah, we gave up on the whole sync-from-testing thing, it caused more issues than it solved, and having our own britney deal with most of what we were trying to solve.
[16:10] <teward> infinity: hello! You indicated that I should talk to you at a later time regarding the electrum retroactive 'dummy'fication of the package? If you're busy I'll bother you another day :)
[16:11] <infinity> teward: I'm always busy, so that's not the best factor in deciding when to bug me.
[16:12] <teward> :P
[16:12] <infinity> teward: Did you get all debdiffy and come up with what you think is a sane plan?
[16:12] <teward> infinity: yeah, except THAT bug got duped to the original bug
[16:12] <teward> rather than kept separate
[16:12] <teward> (so the 'blacklist' bug shows as the master, and I don't have access for some reason to undo it)
[16:13] <teward> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/electrum/+bug/1499094 was the "replace with dummy packages" bug. the related was the blacklist and removal from W-series bug
[16:13] <infinity> teward: Ahh, well, we can flip that around.
[16:13] <infinity> teward: Or undup them entirely.
[16:13] <teward> mathew-hodson...
[16:13] <teward> hmm
[16:13] <teward> well they're not on any dev team just messing with bugs and their bug control
[16:13] <teward> I'd undupe them IMO
[16:14] <teward> THERE's the undupe button it didn't show previously
[16:14] <teward> attached to the bug i linked were debdiffs for review (essentially emulating what was done with bitcoin)
[16:14] <infinity> teward: Done.
[16:14] <teward> infinity: thanks.
[16:15] <teward> they only 'recently' got addressed in the sponsoring queue... nobody goes to check on series nominations apparently
[16:16] <teward> then closed as a dupe of the original blacklist-and-remove bug (which didn't seem the correct approach to me)
[16:16] <teward> s/got addressed in/landed on/
[16:18] <Laney> infinity: Want to promote libfuture-perl libstruct-dumb-perl libio-async-perl for lintian?
[16:19] <infinity> Laney: I would like nothing more.
[16:19] <Laney> Happy to please, then
[16:31] <Laney> cjwatson: gdnsd uploaded, thanks for the heads up
[16:58] <lamont> can someone process django-piston3 binaries out of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue and into reality?
[17:28] <cjwatson> lamont: are python*-django-piston3-dbg meant to actually contain useful content of some kind?
[17:28] <cjwatson> they kinda don't right now
[17:29] <lamont> cjwatson: can I get away with calling that a bug?
[17:29] <lamont> because, yeah, prolly
[17:29] <lamont> maybe
[17:29] <cjwatson> probably, it's not directly harmful
[17:29] <lamont> ta
[17:43] <coreycb> bdmurray, can you promote ceilometer from vivid-proposed?
[18:26] <bdmurray> coreycb: it doesn't seem to be tagged verification-done yet
[18:27] <coreycb> bdmurray, ok I'll tag it, it's been verified
[18:29] <coreycb> bdmurray, it's tagged now, thanks
[18:30] <bdmurray> okay, there you go
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2024-05-13T22:11:29.292948
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-motu
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[02:41] <Acerio> Ubuntu 14.10 says that package "packaging-dev" was not found.
[02:41] <Acerio> Though, the wiki on contributing says to do so.
[02:54] <Acerio> Nevermind, 14.10 doesn't have that support, how silly of me!
[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[23:06] <Acerio> It says, I need to apply to contribute here. Though, it all seems I don't. What is correct?
[23:06] <Acerio> I've been reading some documentation on the wiki about contributing to MOTU.
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2015-11-19-#lubuntu
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[07:29] <osho0000> Hi, I installed Xubuntu on a old laptop, 512 ram, 1,6ghz cpu. And it doesn't work fine, especially the browsers (midori, firefox, chrome) crashes. Lubuntu would be better for my purpose?
[07:31] <bioterror> same browsers
[08:51] <osho0000> what good browser is lighter than midori for lubuntu?
[09:17] <ianorlin> osho0000: qupzilla maybe not sure how it compares in memory useage
[09:17] <ianorlin> I don't know if you like command line ones
[09:19] <osho0000> no command line no
[09:19] <osho0000> :)
[09:19] <osho0000> ok thanks
[09:19] <osho0000> i must say that the old laptop works better with xp than xubuntu. i hope that lubunutu will work better :)
[09:20] <bioterror> midori is some how usable as it has adblock and stuff like that
[09:21] <bioterror> todays web is just too heavy
[09:21] <ianorlin> also for https:// xp may seem faster by using lots of old insecure ciphers compared to the new modern ones
[09:26] <osho0000> so, i will try with midori + lubuntu
[09:28] <bioterror> well, XP is fast. only bootin is slow ;D
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-pl
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[10:00] <sylwek> jest tu kto?
[10:02] <sylwek> niech ktos mi powie, ,, w kubuntu jest taki komunikator KDE Telepathy
[10:02] <sylwek> chodzi mi o kontakty z facebook, czyli tzw messenger
[10:07] <sylwek> jak bezposrednio mam zewnetrzyn adres IP to mi sie połączy
[10:07] <sylwek> iesli mam wewnętrzny adres np no nie wiem 192.168.1.4 przes serwer nadany to za ni chuj.... mi sie nie chce połączyć
[10:08] <sylwek> non stop błędne hasło
[10:08] <sylwek> miał ktos taki przypadek?
[10:08] <sylwek> albo mi wyskakuje Nieudane Uwierzytelnienie
[10:32] <qermit> sylwek: nie ma nikogo
[11:19] <sylwek> tak myslalem
[12:37] <shpaq> poczytaj jakie porty musisz puścić na fw
[12:38] <shpaq> pewnie korzystają z jabberowych albo coś
[12:38] <drathir> bry...
[14:49] <Bercik> http://www.wykop.pl/wpis/15275799/heheszki-linux-sysadmin-humorinformatykow-wolneopr/
[14:49] <Bercik> :D
[21:31] <BaGRoS> Czesc
[21:31] <BaGRoS> jest ktos kto nie oglada Iron Man II :P
[21:31] <firemark> Ja
[21:31] <BaGRoS> i ma chęci na pomoc z transmission-daemon na server 15.10?
[21:31] <firemark> a to nie
[21:31] <BaGRoS> :D
[22:33] <BaGRoS> transmission-daemon zapisuje pliki z prawami debian-transmission:debian-transmission jak zmienic to na nuc:nuc?!
[23:20] <drathir> ze jak?
[23:21] <drathir> BaGRoS: urucom bezposrednio z usera...
[23:21] <drathir> uruchom*
[23:21] <drathir> BaGRoS: a poza uzywaj czegos ludzkiego jak deluge...
[23:22] <drathir> BaGRoS: ewentyalnie odpal z rtorrenta...
[23:22] <drathir> ewentualnie*
[23:56] <qermit> rtorrent++
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-kernel
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[16:55] <cristian__c> jsalisbury: hi
[16:57] <jsalisbury> cristian__c, hello
[16:58] <cristian__c> jsalisbury: I've talked with a guy in #linux-wireless
[16:58] <cristian__c> jsalisbury: he gave me a suggestion
[16:59] <jsalisbury> cristian__c, great.
[16:59] <jsalisbury> cristian__c, did you happen to add the info to the bug, I haven't reviewed it in a bit
[17:01] <cristian__c> ' with the patch being 2 years old, apparently without any fundamental complaints, it might make more sense to specifically blacklist your particular system based on its DMI strings from within hp_wmi_bios_2009_later(), rather than doing a blanket revert (which might break/ regress other systems) - pretty much a two-line patch'
[17:02] <cristian__c> ' apparently, yes - but it was also needed to unbreak other systems, therefore it's probably better to fix it (add a quirk for your notebook mainboard), rather than just reverting it (and thereby breaking other systems that had been working for 2 years by now)'
[17:03] <cristian__c> jsalisbury: I've told him i would have talked with you
[17:03] <cristian__c> either author/ original committer
[17:04] <cristian__c> (in this case hung either garrett)
[17:05] <jsalisbury> cristian__c, ok, all you system dmi info is in the bug, so I'll build a test kernel with a quirk for your board and see if it fixes things
[17:06] <cristian__c> jsalisbury: do you think his proposal (blacklistig my system by dmi from wmi bios function) rather than simply reverting the commit?
[17:07] <jsalisbury> cristian__c, reverting the commit could cause other regressions, so blacklisting may be best
[17:07] <cristian__c> jsalisbury: yeah, thanks. He says the idea is something so: blacklist only my system in the code, so there is no risk to hurting other systems
[17:08] <cristian__c> *to hurt
[17:08] <cristian__c> jsalisbury: ok, thank yoj very much
[17:08] <cristian__c> *you
[17:08] <cristian__c> :)
[17:08] <jsalisbury> cristian__c, I'll try that and post a test kernel in the bug shortly
[17:08] <cristian__c> yeah, ok. then I'll look launchpad page in the next days
[17:09] <cristian__c> thanks again
[17:09] <jsalisbury> np
[19:35] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, after digging a bit while creating a patch, I think a patch was actually recently sent upstream to fix this(Commit 8a1513b). I'll build a test kernel with it, and see if that makes it so we don't need to blacklist your board.
[19:36] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: ah, ok
[19:36] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, I'll post a link to a test kernel in the bug shortly
[19:36] <cristian_c> yeah, I'll check
[19:36] <cristian_c> and I'll try that
[19:37] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: I suppose, I've to report results in the launchpad bug webpage
[19:37] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, that would be great, thanks
[19:38] <cristian_c> ok
[19:41] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, are you still running Vivid? The commit I just mentioned is already in Wily, but not in Vivid or older releases yet.
[19:42] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: I've to try wily
[19:43] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, no, you don't need to upgrade. If you are still on a release older than while, I can just post a link to the wily test kernel to try out.
[19:43] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: could I use 4.2 test kernel in older releases, either have I to use it in wily release?
[19:43] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: ok
[19:43] <cristian_c> my release is older than wily
[19:45] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, The fix went in to the upstream 4.3-rc2 kernel, but was also cc'd to stable. It was already applied the Wily kernel, but not Vivid or Trusty yet. I'll just post a link to a kernel you can test in the bug. That will make it easier then you having to upgrade right now.
[19:47] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: ok
[19:52] <cristian_c> uhm... from triaged to 'in progress'...
[19:54] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, ok, I just posted a link to the kernel to test. You just need to install the linux-image and linux-image-extra .deb packages then reboot.
[19:57] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: ok, so no -headers and -headers-generic...
[20:00] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, no, you should need them for this quick test
[20:00] <cristian_c> ok
[20:16] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: ok, I've catched threebdeb packages
[20:17] <cristian_c> linux-headers-...-generic...i386, linux-image-...-generic....i386 and linux-image-extra-...-generic...i386
[20:18] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, great. you should only need the last two, but you can install all three.
[20:19] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: but I don't see linux-headers....all_deb in that page
[20:19] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: ah,ok, sorry
[20:19] <cristian_c> now, I install them
[20:19] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, you should only need linux-image and linux-image-extra
[20:19] <cristian_c> ok
[21:56] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: ok, I've installed 4.2.0-18 kernel
[21:58] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: linux-headers-...-generic...i386 requested linux-headers....all_deb as dependency, so I've not installed it
[21:59] <cristian_c> then, I've installed the other two packages: linux-image and linux-image-extra
[21:59] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: I restarted the machine and I've tried the kernel
[22:00] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: no more regressions, exactly as for your previous revert kernel
[22:00] <cristian_c> 4.0.0-1
[22:01] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, so would you say it resolves the bug?
[22:01] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: of course, original bug exists yet, and workaround generates the same effects
[22:02] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: it splves the regression, exactly as for the revert
[22:02] <cristian_c> *solves
[22:03] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, that's good news. That means the regression is fixed in Wily and soon to be fixed in Vivid and Trusty.
[22:03] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: it'sma good step, if wily mainline kernel already contains the regression fix, it can be treated as solved
[22:03] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: yeah
[22:04] <cristian_c> I've tried 4.2.0-18 as suggested from you
[22:04] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, so you could either upgrade to wily or stay on Vivid and wait for the fix to come in through updates
[22:04] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: I'll try to install directly Wily to get a confirmation
[22:04] <cristian_c> :)
[22:04] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, great. I look forward to hear how it goes.
[22:05] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: of course, original bug as stated in the report, exists yet
[22:05] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: ok
[22:05] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, yeah, I'm going to look further into that again, now that this other regression is solved.
[22:05] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: I'll update the bug report with confirmation of disappeared regression
[22:06] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, thanks.
[22:07] <cristian_c> and then I'll try to install wily directly to confirm further
[22:07] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: ok
[22:07] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, awesome. running wily will be a good starting point to continue with the original bug.
[22:07] <cristian_c> ok
[22:07] <cristian_c> I'll do that
[22:08] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: see you soon
[22:08] <cristian_c> thanks again
[22:08] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, you too. thanks for all the testing!
[22:08] <tron103> Hey all, I'm trying to add mellanox infiniband support into the netboot image. The Ubuntu provided drivers seem buggy, so I'm trying to use the official Mellanox package with uses DKMS. Any clue on how to get DKMS modules compiled for a netboot image?
[23:24] <apw> tron103 (N,BFTL), modules in a netboot image are identicle to those in the main kernel just packaged up differently so install the dkms package on a real system and grab the binaries from there
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-tr
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[08:22] <Kartagis> selam bebek
[08:54] <ogny> gunaydin
[08:56] <Kartagis> sen şimdi nerede çalışıyorsun?
[09:38] <ogny> egemsoft.net <-- Kartagis
[10:09] <Kartagis> büyük veri ile mi uğraşıyorsunuz?
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu+1
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[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-11-19-#ubuntukylin-devel
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[08:31] <zhangchao> hi,marco
[08:33] <zhangchao> hi everyone,meeting time:)
[08:33] <handsome_feng> hi
[08:35] <handsome_feng> @Trevinho
[08:36] <Trevinho> Hey
[08:36] <Trevinho> Sorry I've some connection issues this morning
[08:36] <zhangchao> hi marco,let's begin?
[08:37] <Trevinho> Yeah
[08:37] <zhangchao> did you get anything back about the wizard?
[08:38] <Trevinho> zhangchao: unfortunately not... I've asked will cooke few days ago, but he probably got nothing as well :-(
[08:39] <Trevinho> He'll be around in 1/2 hr, so we can ask again
[08:39] <Trevinho> If we don't get anything, btw... I'd go with what you proposed.... Then we can reiterate it. Because we can't wait too much to start doing stuff, or it won't be ready.
[08:41] <zhangchao> ok
[08:44] <zhangchao> so, you will begin do it now ?
[08:45] <Trevinho> zhangchao: you can begin to do it now :)
[08:45] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: any question about the code review I did?
[08:48] <handsome_feng> not yet now , because of some other things, i'm still working on it..
[08:50] <Trevinho> handsome_feng: fine, take your time
[08:50] <Trevinho> if you've any question just ping me
[08:50] <handsome_feng> OK, think you ! :)
[08:52] <zhangchao> Trevinho: e...We hardly find time to develop wizard:(
[08:52] <Trevinho> zhangchao: mh, ok... I see if we can find resources.. But we're also quite busy
[08:55] <Trevinho> Well, I think we can quickly wrap this up at this point...
[08:55] <zhangchao> Trevinho: We can provide some design resources,but develop resources is too lack
[08:55] <zhangchao> ok
[08:56] <zhangchao> thinks,bye
[08:57] <Trevinho> zhangchao: ok, that is great as well
[08:57] <Trevinho> yeah, bye
[08:57] <handsome_feng> bye!
[08:59] <Trevinho> ah willcooke... Any news from design for wizard?
[08:59] <Trevinho> (hey!) :)
[09:00] <willcooke> sorry folks, no. I chased them on Tuesday - still "in progress"
[09:00] <Trevinho> :(
[09:03] <willcooke> They assure me it's going to get looked at, but it's taken far too long, sorry
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2015-11-19-#maas
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[01:32] <mup> Bug #1517687 opened: Partition cannot be saved; not enough free space on the block device. <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517687>
[01:35] <mup> Bug #1517687 changed: Partition cannot be saved; not enough free space on the block device. <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517687>
[01:41] <mup> Bug #1517687 opened: Partition cannot be saved; not enough free space on the block device. <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517687>
[05:16] <pmatulis> how do i deploy a node using the cli?
[15:54] <mgz> roaksoax: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1412621
[15:57] <roaksoax> mgz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1516891
[16:15] <mgz> roaksoax: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1412621/comments/40 frobware replied with some details
[18:13] <los> Q: How do I get on the webinars?
[20:14] <mup> Bug #1517227 changed: deploy fails with non-default partitioning <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517227>
[20:17] <mup> Bug #1517227 opened: deploy fails with non-default partitioning <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517227>
[20:20] <mup> Bug #1517227 changed: deploy fails with non-default partitioning <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517227>
[20:32] <mup> Bug #1518067 opened: commissioning fails with bonded interface <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518067>
[20:41] <mup> Bug #1518067 changed: commissioning fails with bonded interface <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518067>
[20:45] <mup> Bug #1518067 opened: commissioning fails with bonded interface <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1518067>
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-l10n-es
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[22:34] <rvr> elopio: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1517829
[22:34] <rvr> elopio: Comenté el problema esta mañana
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-unity
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[00:20] <kgunn> lpotter: whachya need ?
[00:21] <lpotter> just saying hello :)
[00:25] <lpotter> actually kind of wondering how that InputDevice thing is working
[00:32] <kgunn> lpotter: been working quite well afaict, we're using it pretty heavily for switching in/out of our windowed mode
[00:33] <lpotter> ya I noticed the windowed mode when I connected a bluetooth keyboard recently
[00:35] <lpotter> am I correct that mako has hdmi support?
[00:36] <lpotter> via usb->hdmi adaptor
[09:40] <tsdgeos> dednick: you there?
[09:41] <dednick> tsdgeos: I am there.
[09:41] <dednick> I am everywhere
[09:42] <tsdgeos> dednick: you' ve been doing "frame painting" things lately right? I am investigating this issue in unity8-dash on the desktop in which it gets stuck without painting anything until you restart it. I've added some debug and i've confirmed the items are being created so it may be a "stuff is not getting put on screen" thing. Any idea where i'd put a debug to know if stuff is being asked to be painted?
[09:42] <tsdgeos> dednick: "All is All" re-zoolander 2 trailer by cumberbatch :D
[09:43] <dednick> tsdgeos: you can use the qt render loop debugging
[09:43] <tsdgeos> right
[09:44] <dednick> tsdgeos: QSG_RENDERER_DEBUG=render gives shed loads. cant remember the simple one..
[09:45] <dednick> tsdgeos: are you wanting to know if specific items are painting?
[09:45] <tsdgeos> no
[09:45] <tsdgeos> it just seems that something got stuck
[09:45] <tsdgeos> either the qt render loop
[09:45] <dednick> tsdgeos: whole shell?
[09:45] <dednick> tsdgeos: ah. k
[09:45] <tsdgeos> dednick: unity8-dash
[09:46] <dednick> tsdgeos: shell still responding?
[09:46] <tsdgeos> dednick: shell is fine
[09:46] <dednick> tsdgeos: right. you can test the client using 'restart unity8-dash QSG_RENDERER_DEBUG=render"
[09:47] <tsdgeos> dednick: nope, as said if i restart it, all is fine D:
[09:47] <tsdgeos> is just the first time that fails
[09:47] <dednick> tsdgeos: ah. k :/
[09:47] <tsdgeos> i'll put the QSG_RENDERER_DEBUG=render in the upstart file
[09:47] <dednick> put it in the upstart
[09:47] <tsdgeos> and see what's up
[09:47] <dednick> ok
[09:48] <dednick> tsdgeos: it could be qtmir surface item related if you're still seeing client render logs while you're giving the dash surface touch events..
[09:49] <dednick> we've been having a few issues getting it in states where it stops rendering recently.
[10:03] <tsdgeos> dednick: so it would seem from the output of QSG_RENDERER_DEBUG=render that it is actually rendering things
[10:03] <dednick> tsdgeos: what version of unity8 you running?
[10:04] <tsdgeos> dednick: xenial latest
[10:04] <dednick> tsdgeos: sorry, qtmir
[10:04] <tsdgeos> same :D
[10:04] <tsdgeos> 0.4.6+16.04.20151102-0ubuntu1
[10:05] <dednick> tsdgeos: ah. looks like updates havent landed in xenial.
[10:05] <dednick> i mean been released to image.
[10:06] <dednick> tsdgeos: 0.4.6+16.04.20151113-0ubuntu1 is latest.
[10:06] <tsdgeos> what's the point of having a development version
[10:06] <tsdgeos> that is outdated
[10:06] <tsdgeos> sigh
[10:06] <dednick> tsdgeos: 1102 still has the occlusion in it.
[10:06] <tsdgeos> dednick: can i just recompile qtmir and install it or will i need more stuff?
[10:07] <dednick> tsdgeos: i have no idea why things aren't getting updated in xenial
[10:07] <dednick> tsdgeos: yup
[10:07] <tsdgeos> sure not blaming you
[10:07] <tsdgeos> more than a wish setence :D
[10:07] <dednick> i think it's still compatible.
[10:07] <dednick> :)
[10:07] <tsdgeos> k, let me recompile and see if then it's gone
[10:08] <dednick> tsdgeos: remember -DNO_TESTS=1 . much faster
[10:09] <tsdgeos> too late :D
[10:16] <tsdgeos> damn the tests failed :S
[10:17] <tsdgeos> maybe that's why is still not on xenial ?
[10:17] <tsdgeos> dednick: greyback__: do you know if tests should succeed on xenail
[10:17] <tsdgeos> i have
[10:17] <tsdgeos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13343660/
[10:18] <greyback__> tsdgeos: hmm, there's no reason I'm aware of that they shouldn't. Lemme check
[10:19] <greyback__> ltinkl: hey, did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/qtmir/fixWheel/+merge/276252/comments/703276
[10:21] <dednick> tsdgeos: they should do. i always do tests on laptop.
[10:21] <tsdgeos> weird
[10:22] <tsdgeos> anyhow compiling without tests now D:
[10:22] <dednick> although the shared wakelock used to be a bit flaky i havent seen an issue lately
[10:41] <tsdgeos> dednick: yeah so the new qtmir fixes it
[10:41] <tsdgeos> *BUT* now i get a crash every time i log otu
[10:41] <tsdgeos> i didn't use to
[10:41] <tsdgeos> the crash backtrace is a bit unexplanatory, just quickitems destructors one after other
[10:41] <tsdgeos> greyback__: dednick: do you guys want it?
[10:42] <greyback__> tsdgeos: sure
[10:42] <tsdgeos> let me repeat
[10:43] <greyback> did it look like this: https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=/usr/bin/unity8%3A11%3AQObject%3A%3AstaticMetaObject%3Acall%3AQMetaObject%3A%3Aactivate%3AQMetaObject%3A%3Aactivate%3AQQuickWindow%3A%3AframeSwapped
[10:44] <tsdgeos> don't think so
[10:45] <greyback> ok
[10:48] <tsdgeos> and now i can't make it crash :S
[10:48] <tsdgeos> i should have kept the backtrace when i got it
[10:49] <tsdgeos> it is still crashing
[10:50] <tsdgeos> but the backtrace is different
[10:50] <tsdgeos> log says
[10:50] <tsdgeos> *** Error in `unity8': free(): invalid size: 0x00007fd674119950 ***
[10:52] <tsdgeos> let's try valgrind maybe
[10:59] <pstolowski> mzanetti_, ping
[11:00] <mzanetti_> pstolowski, hey ho
[11:00] <pstolowski> mzanetti_, hey, i've just found out you're going to land a bunch of changes with silo 60, namely the diff updates of unity-scopes-shell
[11:00] <mzanetti> hmm, you just found out? :)
[11:00] <mzanetti> pstolowski, didn't you ping me over those branches last week?
[11:01] <pstolowski> mzanetti, no i don't think so
[11:01] <mzanetti> hmm... I could swear you did :) anyhow, hope it's not an issue
[11:01] <pstolowski> mzanetti, well
[11:01] <mzanetti> O_o
[11:01] <pstolowski> mzanetti, it's great to land it (i had a silo myself with it), but it needs to wait for the release of all agregator scopes with ota8
[11:02] <mzanetti> nooo
[11:02] <mzanetti> darn
[11:02] <mzanetti> this silo has been waiting for QA since friday already
[11:02] <pstolowski> mzanetti, that's why i held back my silo some time ago
[11:02] <mzanetti> pstolowski, what is the issue? in my testing everything seemed to work
[11:02] <pstolowski> mzanetti, i know, and i see it's under testing now
[11:03] <pstolowski> mzanetti, with slow network the experience will be suboptimal in aggregator scopes
[11:03] <mzanetti> pstolowski, but wait, OTA-8 is being released this very moment
[11:03] <mzanetti> would that unblock it?
[11:03] <pstolowski> mzanetti, yes, but i was told that aggregator scopes will be upgraded via store
[11:04] <mzanetti> pstolowski, any ETA on that?
[11:04] <mzanetti> I mean, it's rc-proposed, a slightly suboptimal experience for a day would be ok I guess if the fixes are already in the queue
[11:04] <mzanetti> I'd hate to recompile it and wait for another week to get QA on it
[11:04] <pstolowski> mzanetti, probably
[11:04] <pstolowski> mzanetti, yes that' probably too much
[11:05] <pstolowski> mzanetti, forwarded you the email, that's all i know
[11:05] <mzanetti> ok, thanks.
[11:06] <mzanetti> pstolowski, so, sorry for the miscommunication, last week when I created the silo I had one that depended on a unity-scopes branch. I asked if I can land it and you gave me two more that should go together. But I might have misunderstood...
[11:08] <pstolowski> mzanetti, yeah, looks like a misunderstanding ;)
[11:08] <tsdgeos> greyback: dednick: i can't really reproduce the crash other than that line on the unity8.log
[11:09] <greyback> tsdgeos: ok, thanks for trying anyway
[11:09] <mzanetti> pstolowski, reading through that mail I get the impression that rc-proposed is fine... and that's where the silo is going. I guess if QA doesn't block on the suboptimal experience we're good. Just need to make sure all those scopes are released by OTA-9, which is january
[11:12] <tsdgeos> greyback: dednick: do you guys have a bug for that occlusion rendering thing i can duplicate the one for the dash not painting to it?
[11:12] <tsdgeos> 1515356 ?
[11:12] <pstolowski> mzanetti, i know where the misunderstanding came from
[11:13] <pstolowski> mzanetti, https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/dash_reset_instead_of_fatal/+merge/274363
[11:13] <tsdgeos> it's weird because that one says "until touched"
[11:13] <pstolowski> mzanetti, it lists my branch as required :)
[11:13] <tsdgeos> maybe 1514556
[11:13] <mzanetti> yep, and I remeber I asked if I can/should land those
[11:13] <dednick> tsdgeos: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmir/+bug/1515356
[11:14] <dednick> or yeah, either on...
[11:14] <tsdgeos> dednick: but in my case was even if i touched it? (well clicked on it, there's no touch on my laptop)
[11:14] <dednick> *one
[11:14] <tsdgeos> i'll put it onto https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtmir/+bug/1514556
[11:15] <dednick> or there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtmir/+bug/1517139
[11:15] <greyback> tsdgeos: that occlusion detection stuff was reverted
[11:15] <dednick> might be related.
[11:15] <pstolowski> mzanetti, the scopes will be released very soon, so ota9 will be fine for sure
[11:15] <tsdgeos> greyback: yes, and as i said, not landed into xenial
[11:15] <tsdgeos> greyback: so I still see it on the desktop unless i compile my own qtmir
[11:16] <greyback> tsdgeos: if any interaction with the dash (mouse or touch) makes the dash contents appear, then it's this occlusion bug
[11:16] <greyback> i.e. any single event to make it redraw
[11:16] <tsdgeos> greyback: no it does not make the contents appear
[11:16] <tsdgeos> greyback: but i have confirmed the new qtmir does not reproduce the bug anymore
[11:16] <greyback> tsdgeos: ok
[11:17] <tsdgeos> i.e. i can't reproduce the bug anymore when using 0.4.6+16.04.20151113-0ubuntu1 of qtmir while the bug is there with 0.4.6+16.04.20151102-0ubuntu1
[11:18] <tsdgeos> of course if someone else ahs time to double verify it's always a nice thing :)
[11:20] <tsdgeos> greyback: i think it would be good if we could get the lastest qtmir in xenial, no idea why it's old
[11:20] <greyback> tsdgeos: the issue I was seeing was different: I could interact with dash, but all I ever got was the + thing at the bottom of the screen. If I expanded that + thing, I could select a scope, and then it worked
[11:21] <greyback> tsdgeos: it's blocked in release due to a library problem
[11:21] <tsdgeos> oh
[11:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, hey, the bug about the dash not showing up in desktop
[11:59] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, that already happened before we had the occlusion branches landed
[11:59] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: define "not showing up"
[12:00] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, window is there, background image loaded, you can see the bottom edge hint, no content tho
[12:00] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: that goes away with the latest qtmir for me
[12:00] <mzanetti> hmm, ok
[12:00] <tsdgeos> i don't know if it happened before or not
[12:01] <tsdgeos> but i can't reproduce it anymore with my self compiled qtmir to the latest version
[12:01] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: if you can still reproduce it would be nice to know
[12:02] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, ack, will watch out for it and let you know
[12:04] <tsdgeos> dandrader: https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fix_cursor_noise/+merge/277982
[12:07] <dandrader> tsdgeos, wonder why you were getting the builtin cursor though
[12:07] <dandrader> tsdgeos, you should be getting the xcursors from DMZ white theme
[12:08] <dandrader> tsdgeos, (the ones Unity 7 use)
[12:08] <tsdgeos> dandrader: is that dependent on the user config?
[12:08] <dandrader> tsdgeos, no
[12:08] <dandrader> tsdgeos, what do you have in /usr/share/icons/default ?
[12:09] <tsdgeos> dandrader: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13344574/
[12:10] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ahh... so you're a KDE user?
[12:10] <dandrader> tsdgeos, so index.theme is a symlink to KDE's breeze theme
[12:10] <dandrader> tsdgeos, instead of DMZ-White
[12:10] <tsdgeos> dandrader: what does "being a KDE user" mean :D
[12:11] <tsdgeos> dandrader: still i should get that theme and not the builtin cursor, no?
[12:11] <dandrader> tsdgeos, yes and no
[12:11] <dandrader> tsdgeos, xcursor naming is a big hot mess
[12:12] <dandrader> tsdgeos, as is there's not much of a standardization to it
[12:12] <dandrader> tsdgeos, so code has to come up with a whole bunch of fallback names and what not for every single cursor shape
[12:12] <dandrader> tsdgeos, as every theme like to give different names for the cursor shapes
[12:13] <tsdgeos> i guess one can't configure the cursor theme in unity7, right?
[12:13] <tsdgeos> that'd be too much flexibility
[12:13] <dandrader> tsdgeos, I've a branch that improves the fallback list of xcursor names quite a bit
[12:13] <tsdgeos> since you can't configure it, why not hardcode it to the one we want to use?
[12:13] <Trevinho> tsdgeos: it can be changed using external tools (such as gnome/unity tweak)
[12:14] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ltinkl is about to report a unity8 bug about specifically this issue. that when he switches to breeze cursor theme unity8 doesn't pick up its cursors for some reason
[12:14] <dandrader> tsdgeos, because even with this naming mess, we still should get most if not all of them
[12:14] <tsdgeos> ok
[12:23] <ltinkl> tsdgeos: yup, just writing the BR (found out yesterday too)
[12:30] <ltinkl> tsdgeos, dandrader: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1517878
[12:32] <dandrader> ltinkl, let someone else set the importance. reset it to Undecided
[12:33] <dandrader> ltinkl, usually the team lead or manager sets it
[12:43] <ltinkl> dandrader, greyback_ sorry :)
[12:43] <dandrader> greyback_, what's the silo number?
[12:44] <greyback_> dandrader: 48
[12:44] <greyback_> https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/661
[12:45] <dandrader> greyback_, fix will require a unity-api and a unity8 branch
[12:45] <dandrader> greyback_, pretty simple ones, though
[12:46] <greyback_> dandrader: then we'll land separately
[12:46] <dandrader> greyback_, ok, pull it back from the silo then
[12:46] <greyback_> yep
[12:46] <greyback_> dandrader: for my info, what needs to be fixed?
[12:48] <dandrader> greyback_, mir mouse events are being sent from qtmir to the qml mouse pointer, so it decides what to do and synthesizes the Qt event, feeding the window where it lives with that event
[12:48] <dandrader> greyback_, wheel event should follow the same path
[12:48] <greyback_> ok
[12:49] <dandrader> cutting corners didn't work out so well
[14:43] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: any idea what's up with the ci links not working?
[14:44] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, jenkins completely down atm
[14:44] <tsdgeos> is it? i read something about being down for like 30 min only
[14:44] <tsdgeos> must have misread
[14:44] <mzanetti> hmm. let me check
[14:45] <tsdgeos> https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/move-screenshots-to-tests/+merge/276798 just "finished" 34 min ago
[14:45] <tsdgeos> and all the links but the qmluitests ones work
[14:45] <tsdgeos> which is a bit fishy
[14:46] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, for me all the links give a 404
[14:46] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-vivid-touch/5259/ works
[14:46] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, this happens for me since 2 days now. I've pinged cihelp already but no reply so far
[14:46] <tsdgeos> it's the first on https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/move-screenshots-to-tests/+merge/276798/comments/703590
[14:46] <tsdgeos> :/
[14:46] <tsdgeos> broken CI is not very useful
[14:47] <mzanetti> hehe
[15:41] <mterry> mzanetti, sudo gdbus call --system --dest org.freedesktop.Accounts --object-path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011 --method org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.Get com.canonical.unity.AccountsService DemoEdgesCompleted
[15:41] <mzanetti> mterry, (<['', 'left', 'bottom', 'top', 'right']>,)
[15:41] <mzanetti> is the '' intentional?
[15:42] <mterry> mzanetti, hrm... no? depends, when setting it with tools, you need to specify an empty string, since none of the tools can handle an empty array!
[15:42] <mterry> mzanetti, but I doubt you did that
[15:42] <mterry> mzanetti, so that's A. I'll look at that
[15:43] <mterry> mzanetti, but B, it looks like the tutorial THINKS you opened the right edge at some point
[15:43] <mzanetti> yeah... will try again
[15:44] <mzanetti> mterry, is it enough to set the other key to false?
[15:44] <mzanetti> or do I manually need to clear this one too?
[15:44] <mzanetti> qdbus --system com.canonical.PropertyService /com/canonical/PropertyService com.canonical.PropertyService.GetProperty edge
[15:44] <mzanetti> that one ^
[15:44] <mzanetti> erm... /me tries again
[15:44] <mterry> mzanetti, uh no, not if you use my instructions
[15:45] <mterry> mzanetti, that is a meta property that will clear the other properties, if you use it
[15:45] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/move-screenshots-to-tests/+merge/276798 fails
[15:45] <mzanetti> mterry, well, I've read through through the phablet-tools merge and saw that one being reset
[15:45] <mterry> mzanetti, yeah. phablet-tools calls that, which then sets the two AS fields
[15:45] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, ack, thanks, will check it
[15:46] <mterry> mzanetti, but my instructions don't rely on you having my phablet-tools branch, so they include instructions for resetting everything manually even if you have old tools
[15:46] <mterry> mzanetti, but if you do use those tools, you'll get an empty string in your list. So maybe that's where it's from -- I'm guessing you cleared your settings before testing
[15:46] <mzanetti> mterry, but the new phablet-tools branch doesn't do anything magic, it just drops the check, doesn't it?
[15:46] <mterry> mzanetti, i.e. my instructions leave you with an empty string
[15:46] <mzanetti> mterry, I used the old phablet-tools (before I saw your branch) and it worked to enable it
[15:47] <mzanetti> at least for 3 eges :D
[15:47] <mterry> mzanetti, but there's another patch, not in VCS but in that silo (patch for dbus-property-service) that adds the extra clear for DemoEdgesCompleted
[15:47] <mterry> mzanetti, but if you also used my instruction for manually clearing DemoEdgesCompleted, you'll end up with an empty string
[15:47] <mzanetti> oh, I see
[15:48] <mzanetti> ok, so I did:
[15:48] <mterry> mzanetti, between the three tools, dbus-send, gdbus, and qdbus, none of them worked perfectly for setting an empty array
[15:48] <mzanetti> qdbus --system com.canonical.PropertyService /com/canonical/PropertyService com.canonical.PropertyService.SetProperty edge true
[15:48] <mterry> mzanetti, some couldn't do arrays, and those that could, couldn't do an empty one
[15:48] <mterry> mzanetti, did you install silo 33?
[15:48] <mzanetti> yes
[15:48] <mterry> mzanetti, then the empty string is expected
[15:48] <mzanetti> ack
[15:49] <mterry> mzanetti, dbus-property-service uses gdbus with a empty-string-array
[15:49] <mzanetti> mterry, will that patch land too? or is that just for the silo?
[15:49] <mterry> mzanetti, because I couldn't find a better way to do it with shell!
[15:49] <mterry> mzanetti, that will land too
[15:49] <mzanetti> ack
[15:49] * mzanetti reboots and hopes to see a right edge too :)
[15:49] <mterry> mzanetti, so normal users won't see the empty string. But anyone that uses phablet-tools will
[15:50] <mzanetti> mterry, ack, wfm
[15:53] <mzanetti> mterry, ok. got the right edge this time... still a bit puzzled why I didn't see it at first
[15:54] <mterry> mzanetti, I hope it was just that you used the right edge and forgot... :-/
[15:55] <mterry> mzanetti, it's easy to accidentally do
[15:55] <mterry> mzanetti, especially when you want to launch more apps -- I often go to the dash
[15:55] <mterry> mzanetti, and them hit my forehead :)
[15:55] <mzanetti> probably... yes
[16:10] <tsdgeos> cimi: maybe you can review https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/listviewforreviews/+merge/277428 ?
[16:10] <tsdgeos> cimi: and https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/unfavorite_scope_test/+merge/277157
[16:10] <cimi> tsdgeos, ok
[16:12] <tsdgeos> cimi: also please remind me what's the satatus of https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/new-shadows-1.3/+merge/271611
[16:12] <tsdgeos> is it good to go? or are we waiting on something?
[16:13] <cimi> tsdgeos, just review... design is approved
[16:13] <tsdgeos> ok
[16:17] <mterry> mzanetti, greyback: is it expected that u8 seems to restart when plugged into a monitor? it does the dot-progress thing, so it looks intentional, since it's not a reboot. I just didn't expect that
[16:17] <greyback> mterry: known issue
[16:17] <mterry> greyback, ok
[16:18] <greyback> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-pocket-desktop/+bug/1513909
[16:20] <mterry> oh duh, the dot-progress is what I see when it crashes :)
[16:20] <mterry> I forgot we had dots on that screen, and I helped make that screen
[16:21] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: now that ota8 is out are we planning a landing? have like a zillion approved branches
[16:22] <mterry> mzanetti, if you're in a reviewing-mterry's-branches mood, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/warn-on-xapp/+merge/277915 might be up your alley, since it's basically a copy of your dialog branch
[16:28] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, silo 60 has just been approved by QA
[16:28] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, once it's merged I'll put together the next one
[16:28] <mzanetti> mterry, heh, ack
[16:29] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: cool
[16:29] <tsdgeos> cimi: can you merge unity8 into your branch? it merges fine but that way it'll also compile just after downloading :D
[16:30] * mterry has a mental image of mzanetti shoveling coal into a furnace to keep the silos pumping
[16:30] <mzanetti> :D
[16:30] <tsdgeos> oh so we're landing the diff updates for scopes
[16:30] <tsdgeos> very cool
[16:31] <mzanetti> we are
[16:32] <mzanetti> although pawel seemed to be happy that I'm landing it. he said it'll my fault if it blows up, which gives me a slightly uncomfy feeling about it
[16:32] <mzanetti> it was working great in my testing tho, and apparently QA didn't find issues either
[16:55] <mzanetti> mterry, weird... the diff seems to show the prereq's prereq's changes, doesn't it?
[16:55] <mzanetti> https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/warn-on-xapp/+merge/277915
[16:55] <mterry> mzanetti, no, that's all my changes
[16:56] <mzanetti> the isTouchApp too?
[16:56] <mterry> mzanetti, yeah -- that's how we know whether to show the dialog
[16:56] <mterry> mzanetti, isTouchApp was added for ApplicationInfoInterface
[16:56] <mzanetti> mterry, yes, but didn't you add thos to the no-touch-no-lifecycle branch?
[16:56] <mterry> mzanetti, but this is for LauncherInterface (i.e. before app is launched)
[16:56] <mterry> LauncherItemInterface rather
[16:56] <mzanetti> ohhh. right
[16:57] <mterry> mzanetti, I have an associated unity-api branch too
[16:57] <mterry> linked in description
[16:57] <mzanetti> mterry, I see... how would that apply to dash launches then?
[16:58] <mterry> mzanetti, good question, this branch doesn't address that right now, since dash never shows legacy apps (yet), right?
[16:58] <mterry> mzanetti, how does app scope launch apps now? by itself? or does it ask unity8 to launch them for it?
[16:58] <mzanetti> yeah, doesn't atm...
[16:58] <mzanetti> mterry, Qt.openUrlExternally()
[16:58] <mterry> mzanetti, that's what I feared
[16:58] <mterry> mzanetti, so that means u8 isn't involved at all, and it would be difficult to show this same dialog for them
[16:59] <mterry> mzanetti, when we add support for showing legacy apps in dash, maybe we want to add a call to dashcommunicator?
[16:59] <mterry> mzanetti, but ultimately, any app can cause another app to open
[16:59] <mterry> via openUrlExternally
[16:59] <mterry> not just a dash problem
[16:59] <mzanetti> I'm wondering if we shouldn't rather add something to allow as rejecting an app with ApplicationManager
[17:00] <mzanetti> hmm...
[17:00] <mzanetti> mterry, will talk to gerry when he's on tomorrow
[17:01] <mzanetti> mterry, however, your branch would still apply if we need to show the icons somehow differently
[17:01] <mterry> mzanetti, so putting logic in qtmir, u8 sees denial code from AppManager, and shows dialog? could work. But would have to be careful to be able to open the app up again when docked (so save arguments and such)
[17:01] <mterry> mzanetti, yeah LauncherItemInterface changes and all that still make sense
[17:01] <mterry> mzanetti, as does the dialog. Just the connection of the two might need adjusting
[17:02] <mzanetti> mterry, I'm thinking rather of qtmir emitting something like "iWantToStartApp(appId)" and we accept or reject it
[17:02] <mzanetti> but need to be careful to not slow down app startup time
[17:02] <mzanetti> needs a word with gerry definitely
[17:02] <mterry> mzanetti, yeah
[17:02] <mterry> mzanetti, right, of course qtmir couldn't accept/deny on its own
[17:03] <mterry> mzanetti, also... does qtmir even get involved before the exe is run?
[17:03] <mterry> mzanetti, we probably want to prevent the exe from being run at all if possible
[17:03] <mterry> to avoid any side effects
[17:03] <mzanetti> yep, u-a-l already asks qtmir for permission before launching the binary
[17:04] <mterry> mzanetti, oh neat
[17:05] <mzanetti> we even have means of knowing that... the application item will be added to the model at that point already
[17:05] <mterry> mzanetti, I'm going to change the tutorial branch -- keep track of a separate bottom field for each app -- so "[top, bottom-dialer-app, bottom-messaging-app]" etc
[17:05] <mterry> mzanetti, oh ah. So the LauncherItemInterface change will be purely potential-future-proofing
[17:05] <mzanetti> yep. but I'm quite confident we'll need it
[17:06] <mterry> mzanetti, would be nice to get alexm to weigh in
[17:06] <mzanetti> yes. putting a design chat regarding this on my todo list too
[17:06] <mterry> mzanetti, I also just made up the text for the dialog: "Dock your device to open this app"
[17:06] <mzanetti> mhm
[17:07] <mzanetti> ok, seems not so straigth forward as a review either :D
[17:07] <mterry> Ah well
[17:07] <mzanetti> what's the reason for changing the list (re tutorial)
[17:08] <mterry> mzanetti, design -- they want separate text for each app and they want the coach mark for each app (instead of once for any of them)
[17:08] <mzanetti> ah, /me likes
[17:08] <mterry> mzanetti, they had been happy with just the dialer-app, but I had to open my big mouth :)
[17:08] <mzanetti> haha
[17:38] <dandrader> mzanetti, https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/mouseEdgePush/+merge/276306 is not following the design spec
[17:38] <dandrader> mzanetti, s/not/now
[17:39] <mzanetti> dandrader, awesome!
[17:40] <dandrader> mzanetti, it boiled down to just adjusting the gradient values. width was already right
[20:39] <mzanetti> mterry, heh, regarding the width/height values. I didn't even realize they were swapped. The question was really why it's those huge integers?
[20:39] <mzanetti> mterry, I guess it's the image file dimensions, but do we really want to set that for the sourceSize?
[20:39] <mterry> mzanetti, maybe I don't grok sourceSize or whatever. But those are the sizes of the underlying png files
[20:39] <mterry> mzanetti, I thought it was an optimization to specify those
[20:40] <mzanetti> mterry, no, it's the size you want to keep in memory. when it loads the file, it scales it to sourceSize in memory
[20:40] <mzanetti> it is used to prevent constant rescaling of the image
[20:40] <mterry> mzanetti, yeah, so that's good right? like, screen might become bigger, so you keep the original size around
[20:40] <mzanetti> mterry, I'd set it to the screensize then
[20:41] <mterry> mzanetti, but if they plug in a new monitor
[20:41] <mzanetti> if the image is bigger, we can save some memory
[20:41] <mzanetti> hmm
[20:41] <mterry> mzanetti, actually those images should ideally be rotated if they plug in a landscape monitor...
[20:42] <mterry> mzanetti, but design specified crazy specific orientations for those bg images (each one is technically different)
[20:42] <mzanetti> mterry, right, I'd say plugging a monitor is seldom enough to rescale in that case, but save memory in the normal case
[20:42] <mterry> mzanetti, so I don't have guidance on the landscape issue
[20:42] <mterry> mzanetti, yeah. OK so I drop the lines?
[20:42] <mzanetti> hmm
[20:42] <mzanetti> well, they will be dropped from memory anyways after the wizard
[20:43] <mzanetti> on a second thought it might even be better to keep the full size then
[20:43] <mzanetti> not sure. you have a point there
[20:44] <mzanetti> ok, works for me then. makes sense now :)
[20:46] <mterry> yay for not making any changes ;)
[20:46] <mzanetti> good I cought the wrong aspect ratio then :D
[20:47] <mzanetti> pure luck
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[03:00] <GngrDr34dm4n> anyone up, i seem to have disabled every website installing peerblock
[03:01] <GngrDr34dm4n> ive disabled every list stoped it , started it , rebooted, removed, reinstalled
[03:01] <GngrDr34dm4n> firefox and chrome wont load squataroo
[03:02] <GngrDr34dm4n> about ready to reinstall as i cant search for help
[08:12] <zequence> GngrDr34dm4n: What's peerblock?
[08:15] <zequence> GngrDr34dm4n: Since that is not something specific to Ubuntu Studio, I would also try asking on other more general forums, like #ubuntu
[18:20] <seb__> Bonsoir à tous, je suis un débutant et je me demande par ou commencer
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[10:24] <rmg51> Morning
[10:39] <lazypower> Mornin rmg51
[10:39] <rmg51> o/
[13:21] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
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[10:09] <Euaki> Νέα από ubuntugrforum: Νέα - Ειδήσεις - Ανακοινώσεις | Re: Happy 11th Birthday, Ubuntu! <https://forum.ubuntu-gr.org/viewtopic.php?p=333152#p333152> || Νέα - Ειδήσεις - Ανακοινώσεις | Εκκαθάριση βάσης δεδομένων του Freenode (IRC) <https://forum.ubuntu-gr.org/viewtopic.php?p=332300#p332300> || Νέα - Ειδήσεις - Ανακοινώσεις | Re: Ubuntu Full Circle M
[11:20] <salih-emin> καλησπέρα
[11:21] <salih-emin> έχει κανείς ανοιχτό Windows μπροστάτου αυτή την στιγμή ? χρειάζομαι να τσεκάρει την εντολή 'cd' σε windows να μου πει τι επιστρέφει
[11:31] <ee2455> salih-emin: Σου επιστρέφει το τρέχον directory.
[11:31] <salih-emin> ωραία, τυπώνει την διαδρομή ?
[11:32] <ee2455> Ναι, τυπώνει όλο το path.
[11:32] <salih-emin> δηλαδή ο χρήστης καταλαβαίνει που βρήσκεται ?
[11:32] <salih-emin> ωραία φίλε ευχαριστώ !
[11:32] <ee2455> No problem.
[11:32] <ee2455> Σημείωση: Το δοκίμασα σε Windows XP.
[11:36] <salih-emin> no problem δεν πρεπει να εχει αλλάξει
[19:23] <Euaki> Νέα από ubuntusecurity: USN-2815-1: libpng vulnerabilities <http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2815-1/>
[20:41] <lxleuser_> kalispera sta paidia...!!
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[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[08:39] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[08:39] <davidcalle> dholbach, I've started a new deployment from scratch on staging, will tell you how it goes
[08:40] <davidcalle> dholbach, also, I've set up a way to get a full traceback
[08:40] <dholbach> davidcalle, awesome, thanks a lot
[08:40] <davidcalle> dholbach, also, hi :)
[08:40] <dholbach> davidcalle, maybe just using 'migrate' will make it work? :)
[08:41] <davidcalle> dholbach, well, it's not the django upgrade porcess that goes worng, just the standard deployment of the tarball
[08:41] <dholbach> oh ok
[08:41] <dholbach> is the dependencies branch fully updated?
[08:44] <davidcalle> dholbach, it is
[08:44] <dholbach> ah yes, I can see it now
[08:44] <dholbach> thanks - I must have done something wrong earlier :)
[08:45] <davidcalle> dholbach, which browser are you using?
[08:45] <dholbach> chromium
[08:45] <davidcalle> dholbach, do you see all the text on this page in bold? http://community.ubuntu.com/google-code-in/
[08:45] <dholbach> yes
[08:46] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-website/+bug/1504182
[08:46] <davidcalle> dholbach, Firefox renders it fine, no idea where it's coming from
[08:46] <dholbach> I told the webteam, but they can't seem to reproduce it
[08:46] <davidcalle> dholbach, hah
[08:47] <dholbach> maybe you can click "affects me too" ;-)
[08:48] <davidcalle> dholbach, done and confirmed it happens in Chrome as well :)
[08:50] <dholbach> I could help Daniele from Django CMS yesterday to get past his postgres-on-mac-os issues, so I hope that he'll be able to help us out
[08:50] <dholbach> now I'm working on reworking the importer and I'm making good progress
[08:51] <dholbach> I added functionality to let us run commands after checking out (to convert a manpage to html for example)
[08:51] <dholbach> and to make the import more flexible (ie allow importer from places outside ./docs, like ./README.md in the case of snapcraft)
[08:52] <dholbach> and to allow us to hook into the importer more easily for testing purposes
[08:52] <dholbach> so slow, but progress :)
[08:56] <davidcalle> dholbach, nice!
[08:59] <davidcalle> dholbach, it's complaining about a missing dep: python-keystoneclient, do you remember why it was removed?
[09:00] <dholbach> no... I can't quite remember - I thought something said that it could be removed - let's quickly readd it - sorry
[09:00] <dholbach> I initially put this branch together weeks ago - my memory doesn't go that far back anymore :)
[09:01] <davidcalle> dholbach, no worries, it's a big upgrade and this trial and error is to be expected
[09:02] <dholbach> davidcalle, pushed
[09:02] <dholbach> shall I update the pip cache too?
[09:03] <davidcalle> dholbach, yep (I can't pip from the server, it's blocked)
[09:04] <dholbach> davidcalle, I updated trunk, production and am now running the pip cache update
[09:04] <dholbach> somewhere I need to update a revno?
[09:04] <dholbach> sorry, I'm not quite firm with the update procedure
[09:05] <davidcalle> dholbach, yep, process is push to trunk -> update pip cache -> commit and push revno to trunk -> merge trunk on prod
[09:05] <dholbach> ok
[09:11] <dholbach> davidcalle, done
[09:11] <dholbach> ... I hope
[09:12] <davidcalle> dholbach, lgtm :)
[09:13] * davidcalle restarts everything from scratch
[09:17] * dholbach puts on everybody's seatbelts and crosses fingers
[09:23] <davidcalle> dholbach, can you remind me what the command is to create migrations?
[09:23] <dholbach> manage.py makemigrations <app> <migration_name>
[09:24] <dholbach> you don't need to use 0002 - django does that itself
[09:24] <dholbach> I think it comes with a --dry-run command too if you want to experiment
[09:24] <dholbach> be sure to bzr add the migration afterwards :)
[09:25] <davidcalle> dholbach, ty :)
[09:35] <davidcalle> dholbach, so... everything works, in terms of standard deployment migrations. But there is an issue while connecting to swift.
[09:36] <davidcalle> dholbach, I'm still going to try the upgrade, but I wouldn't hold my breath for it to work with the swift issue (which I'm going to look into after this)
[09:36] <dholbach> I have no idea about swift :-(
[09:38] <dholbach> davidcalle, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22304681/python-pip-broken-after-update?
[09:38] <dholbach> maybe just a missing "http://" somewhere?
[09:48] <davidcalle> dholbach, http://i.imgur.com/Kx0iMOU.png
[09:48] <dholbach> wowowowowow
[09:48] <dholbach> champagne
[09:48] <dholbach> my work is done
[09:48] <davidcalle> :D
[09:48] <dholbach> see you by the pool!
[09:49] <davidcalle> dholbach, I can publish pages, but that's probably the swift issue. Thing is: it deploys :D
[09:50] <dholbach> it could be that mhall119 is going to be a bit busy later on
[09:50] <davidcalle> dholbach, it required a few changes to the makefile, I've removed pip and every --fake commands, and replaced "./env/bin/python" with "@python"
[09:50] <dholbach> maybe he can quickly help us out with the swift bits
[09:50] <dholbach> davidcalle, no worries
[09:50] <dholbach> thanks a lot for that
[09:50] <davidcalle> dholbach, I'll push these in a moment. My pleasure :D
[09:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, on https://developer.staging.ubuntu.com/en/?edit , do you see my draft (the screenshot above)?
[09:52] <dholbach> yes
[09:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, ok
[09:53] <dholbach> davidcalle, do you know if the db is fully migrated?
[09:54] <davidcalle> dholbach, no specific errors on this front, just the warnings you can see in the pastebin I sent you
[10:15] <dholbach> davidcalle, the last option is probably to downgrade the swiftstorage and swiftclient bits in the requirements.txt
[10:15] <davidcalle> dholbach, trying it
[10:16] <dholbach> davidcalle, I guess the API changed somewhat
[10:18] <davidcalle> dholbach, that's a possibility
[10:18] <dholbach> I didn't find anything concrete by searching the net yet
[10:22] <davidcalle> Me neither, I'm trying to downgrade locally keystoneclient and swiftclient
[10:29] <davidcalle> No apparent errors /me upgrades pip cache, etc.
[10:33] * dholbach crosses fingers
[10:39] <davidcalle> dholbach, something to note: I've just noticed that the dependencies branch keeps all previous versions, which means you don't have to upgrade the revno when you downgrade stuff, since the branch already contains what you need.
[10:39] <dholbach> ah ok
[10:39] <dholbach> I'm happy to weed out a few bits
[10:39] <davidcalle> dholbach, please have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~davidc3/developer-ubuntu-com/upgrade-django-on-all-envs/+merge/277965
[10:39] <dholbach> always 2 steps ahead
[10:40] <dholbach> ah no, that's the one for the swift downgrade
[10:40] <davidcalle> dholbach, does the make command looks ok to you
[10:41] <davidcalle> I know that @python works, and that's this command that worked on staging, but since you know more about the upgrade process...
[10:41] <dholbach> just migrate would be fine
[10:41] <davidcalle> dholbach, ok
[10:41] <dholbach> apart from that good work
[10:44] <davidcalle> dholbach, ok, pushing and deploying...
[10:46] * davidcalle presses button, runs
[10:46] <davidcalle> (away)
[10:49] <dholbach> :)
[11:04] <davidcalle> dholbach, on an unrelated note, when you add classes to admin.py, what's needed to have them appear in the admin panel?
[11:05] <davidcalle> dholbach, nvm :)
[11:05] <dholbach> ok good :)
[11:05] <dholbach> I had an issue recently too where something didn't show up in the admin as well
[11:06] <dholbach> after trying everything I fixed it by recreating the database O:-)
[12:33] <dpm> dholbach, how did the conversation with django-cms upstream go?
[12:46] <balloons> Morning
[13:02] <dholbach> davidcalle, do we need to set up this test db from scratch again?
[13:02] <dholbach> davidcalle, or do we need to fake any of the migrations?
[13:02] <dholbach> in which state was the db when you started this round?
[13:02] <dholbach> dpm, I helped him set up postgres on his mac-os, he can run the thing now and is looking at it
[13:03] <dpm> ah cool
[13:03] <dholbach> dpm, last time we talked was this morning at 10
[13:04] <dholbach> davidcalle, is this db re-used from the last try? if yes, you can fake all migrations
[13:05] <davidcalle> dholbach, this is a db I've flushed, and again, this is the initial syncdb command here, I haven't been able to try the upgrade
[13:06] <dholbach> syncdb does all the migrations
[13:09] <davidcalle> dholbach, oh, then when I requested you to add a specific make command to run the upgrade, it was silly
[13:14] <dholbach> let's remove it with one of the next commits then :)
[13:32] <balloons> popey, so let's sync on GCI. How was the soccer match?
[13:33] <popey> balloons, hey, Sams team won, despite it pissing down with rain :)
[13:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:34] <popey> balloons, spoke to will, he has some tasks for desktop team, didrocks is coming back to me today with his thoughts
[13:36] <davidcalle> dholbach, I'm skipping the doc meeting, I'm going to focus on fixing staging
[13:37] <dholbach> davidcalle, yep, that makes perfect sense
[13:37] <dholbach> let me know if I can help with anything
[13:38] <davidcalle> dholbach, thanks :) (especially since the doc meeting was supposed to to be about trying to break staging with a rough QA -> Our work is done here :D )
[13:38] <balloons> popey, ack. And will there be mentors for these tasks?
[13:38] <dholbach> yeah, I didn't feel like I hadn't contributed doc-wise ;-)
[13:39] <dholbach> popey, nice! :)
[13:39] <popey> balloons, I asked didrocks to be one, yes.
[13:39] <popey> willcooke, ^
[13:39] <popey> willcooke, Not sure if we specifically talked about mentors, mostly tasks.
[13:39] <popey> willcooke, _if_ didrocks has time and can contribute perhaps he could mentor on behalf of desktop tasks?
[13:41] <willcooke> popey, is the the Google Code thing?
[13:41] <popey> yup yup
[13:41] <willcooke> sure, I have a meeting with him shortly, so I will ask
[13:41] <willcooke> popey, did you see my ping yesterday about some tasks we might have
[13:42] <popey> i did, but was afk at the time and you were offline when I got back
[13:42] <popey> so that's great news :D
[13:42] <willcooke> If we can find someone with Gtk themeing knowledge, or someone who is keen
[13:42] <willcooke> to learn
[13:42] <balloons> popey, so I'm working to add all the sample tasks to the site, so we have something. It does require we add a mentor for each one though
[13:42] <willcooke> then we have a load of niggly little fixes that I haven't really got time to fix
[13:42] <popey> Oh, each task has to explicitly have a mentor?
[13:43] <balloons> popey, yes. I just doublechecked
[13:43] <popey> willcooke, the niggle little things, which could take a few hours, would be ideal candidates
[13:43] <balloons> yes, something like 4-5 hours work
[13:44] <willcooke> I have two right now, I can find more
[13:44] <popey> More would be awesome.
[13:45] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/+bug/762349
[13:45] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/721786
[13:45] <willcooke> I bet John Lea has a few design tweaks too. I'll have a look through LP
[13:45] <popey> If you have bugs which are already marked as bitesize or papercut, might be worth checking if they're still valid, and nominating those too
[13:45] <popey> as if they're tagged as such, someone already did the first step
[13:46] <popey> willcooke, to give you an idea, we need 75 total (minimum) to kick start this thing
[13:46] <popey> That's spread across all the categories.
[13:46] <willcooke> I'll do what I can
[13:46] <popey> So not 75 on desktop (although I'm sure you could probably find that many) ;)
[13:56] <dpm> morning balloons - could you have a look at the header on http://community.ubuntu.com? I think it'd be best to put Google Code In under Contribute, so that it the header does not overflow
[14:05] <balloons> dpm, hey. It wasn't you who put it in the main header?
[14:06] <dpm> balloons, no, you pinged us yesterday about the new google code in page
[14:06] <balloons> dpm, right, and I didn't add it to the main header. Nor did davidcalle. Weird
[14:07] <balloons> I thought it was you who did it, so I left it alone. Anyways, yes, I agree
[14:08] <dpm> balloons, I think everything on the first level goes on the header, that's why I suggested putting it under Contribute
[14:08] <balloons> ohh.. lol, it all makes sense now
[14:08] <popey> :)
[14:09] <balloons> dpm, the only issue with that is it changes the permalink
[14:11] <balloons> and I've already spammed that link out :-(
[14:15] <dpm> balloons, can't we set up a redirect?
[14:15] <balloons> presumably so, I'm looking at doing that now
[14:25] <balloons> davidcalle, mhall119, do you know how to add a redirect for a page you want to move inside of wordpress? This seems so obvious and basic, yet I don't see a way to do it
[14:27] <balloons> all I can find is the possibility to use a plugin to do it
[14:28] <dholbach> balloons, redreict from where to where?
[14:28] <dholbach> redirect, sorry
[14:28] <balloons> dholbach, I moved the page so the parent wasn't the main site. So it went from https://community.ubuntu.com/contribute/google-code-in/ to https://community.ubuntu.com/google-code-in/
[14:29] <dholbach> no idea how to do that in WP
[14:29] <balloons> you would think the platform would sanely redirect any old links to the new page, but it doesn't
[14:29] <balloons> which is mind-boggling honestly. If I tweak my site layout using wordpress, I destroy my links
[14:29] <davidcalle> balloons, without plugins, I don't knw
[14:30] * balloons suddenly finds himself liking django more
[14:30] <davidcalle> balloons, hmm, I have an idea, let me try something crazy :)
[14:30] <balloons> davidcalle, :-)
[14:30] <popey> Stand back, he's going in!
[14:31] <balloons> and also, did I manage to break the css again?
[14:31] <dholbach> balloons, you broke the CSS! :)
[14:31] <dholbach> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community-website/+bug/1504182?
[14:32] <dholbach> :)
[14:32] <balloons> If only I knew how I managed to do such a thing
[14:34] <dholbach> davidcalle, can I help in any way?
[14:34] <balloons> honestly, I guess thr redirect isn't a big deal if we don't have magic. I updated the wiki so it will point to the proper spot
[14:44] <davidcalle> balloons, oh, theme files are read only... My idea was to add a check for the current url in the wp header and if it was matching the page, redirect the user to the new one
[14:44] <balloons> interesting. I appreciate the effort
[14:44] <davidcalle> dholbach, not really, it's basically learning about migrations and waiting for deployments to happen
[14:45] <dholbach> davidcalle, did you find out about migrate --list already?
[14:47] <davidcalle> dholbach, yes, using it
[14:47] <dholbach> if there's anything I can do to test or anything, let me know
[15:33] <dholbach> davidcalle, https://code.launchpad.net/~ya-bo-ng/ubuntu-community-website/responsive/+merge/278018 seems to fix the issue :)
[15:35] <davidcalle> dholbach, indeed :)
[15:35] <dholbach> davidcalle, not sure if you want to follow up on the MP=?
[15:36] <davidcalle> +1-ed
[15:41] <dholbach> awesome :-)
[15:42] <dholbach> I love how these problems solve themselves :)
[16:56] <dholbach> all right... I call it a day - have a good one and see you tomorrow!
[19:34] <willcooke> balloons, did you know the Code In post on reddit 404s?
[19:34] <balloons> willcooke, bah.. that's right
[19:34] <balloons> we had to move it and wp doesn't redirect
[19:34] <balloons> hmm
[19:34] <willcooke> ah
[19:34] <willcooke> create a page with a meta-refresh header?
[19:35] <willcooke> or just delete the reddit post and start a new one?
[19:36] <balloons> willcooke, I think a mod should be able to fix; perhaps not
[19:37] <balloons> I posted a comment giving the proper page. Thanks for pointing it out. I should have put it in the proper location to start with, but we struggled trying to get a redirect going this morning
[19:37] <balloons> that kind of thing should be built-in to a CMS system.. seems crazy to me
[20:19] <jcastro> marcoceppi: my calendar says we have membership board stuff today?
[20:37] <marcoceppi> jcastro: your calendar is wrong
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[01:24] <api984> vecer
[06:57] <BotaniCar> Mmike: za MS imaju para samo nazivno, AFAIk nisu platili za licence ni ove godine.
[07:29] <dodobas> yutro
[07:31] <BotaniCar> Mmike: http://www.agresori.com/data/33609/3.gif( NSFW, vidi se pimpek )
[07:33] <SilverSpace> jutroooo
[07:39] <SilverSpace> Mmike: jebo ga sad ja uopce ne podrzavam goloskog i ne znam kak je najebo ali je u kolicima invalid
[07:40] <SilverSpace> Matic je 100% a nije invalid i na osnovu toga je dobio stan i sve bonuse privilegije
[07:40] <SilverSpace> ratni profiter
[07:41] <SilverSpace> po zakonu mogao je dobiti najvise 60
[07:41] <SilverSpace> %
[07:42] <SilverSpace> moj drugar je popusio tri metka kroz tjelo i nogu i ima 20%
[07:43] <SilverSpace> sreca nista nije ozljedeno metak proso
[07:44] <SilverSpace> matic ima orden koji dobijaju samo ratni invalidi koji su tesko ranjeni i bez nekog djela tjela
[07:44] <SilverSpace> nikad nije bio ranjen
[08:40] <BotaniCar> Ima tko kakav mali uredski skener ( samo skener, ne kombinirani uređaj ) za preporuku. Ako radi s linuxima - sjajno, ako ne, ne.
[08:41] <SilverSpace> https://adriaticmedianethr.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/fora-dana13.gif
[08:49] <BotaniCar> Vjetar_: platis pivo za vikend ? :) ta, sretan rodjendan ti je ! :)
[09:09] <SilverSpace> http://www.vecernji.hr/felix/2015-11-19
[09:10] <Mmike> jadno dete :)
[09:10] <Mmike> pocetak trauma :)
[09:10] <Mmike> dobro da ga nisu ispljuskali :)
[09:11] <Mmike> i taj idiot koji ga snima :)
[09:28] <BotaniCar> Al, smijesno je :)
[09:28] <BotaniCar> Drkachu :)
[09:29] <Mmike> https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12243004_10154224290391840_9200884676322152035_n.jpg?oh=4cb036ce927a69075ab700039b31d0b6&oe=56F5E14F&__gda__=1454597424_6523db2868083703b536ce9e449238ad
[09:43] <obruT> Mmike: bwahahahaha :)
[09:43] <SilverSpace> lol
[09:44] <obruT> odma se sjetim kad sam igro daggerfall pa malo ispado iz prostorija :)
[09:44] <Mmike> :D
[09:44] <Mmike> gle, virtualbox nije sjebo repoe
[09:44] <Mmike> weee
[09:44] * Mmike opce nezna zakaj ima vbox instaliran
[09:45] <Mmike> vileni: daklem, 20/2 je maksimum koji mogu imati na svojoj parici
[09:45] <Mmike> uzeo sam 40/10 paket
[09:45] <Mmike> al' ce me sad prebacit na 25/5
[09:45] <Mmike> jer, eto
[09:45] <Mmike> tak da jos fakat mozda zavrsim na tcom-optici
[09:45] <Mmike> IAKO
[09:45] <vileni> Mmike: ali ne isporucuju ti ni pola uploada
[09:45] <vileni> na toj slabijoj
[09:46] <Mmike> rekla mi tretka u amisu (nesluzbeno, naravno), da ce vipnet sad ulagat paru opako u optiku, i da je to jedan od razloga zasto su uboli amis
[09:46] <Mmike> vileni: pa da, al' kaj da radim kad zica nemre vise
[09:46] <Mmike> ima paket 20/1
[09:46] <Mmike> al' onda imam 1 u uploadu
[09:48] <vileni> preseli se :)
[09:49] <SilverSpace> evo u moj kvart :)
[09:49] <SilverSpace> sve prsti od brtine
[10:18] <Mmike> http://imgur.com/a/TSViK
[10:18] <Mmike> zakaj moje kuciste nemre tak izgledat?
[10:18] <Mmike> neg izgleda k'o mix PHP i PERL koda
[10:20] <vileni> Mmike: ovo su sigurno rezani kablovi na mjeru
[10:20] <vileni> nema sanse drukcije
[10:20] <Mmike> vish
[10:20] <Mmike> mudro zboris
[10:21] <Mmike> to mi nikad nije palo na pamet :)
[10:21] <jelly> Mmike: vidio sam za windowse neki komercijalni bonding/teaming koji agregira sve razlicite veze na internet koje imas (3G, susjedov wifi, tvoj dsl) i gura download i upload tamo di ga im
[10:21] <vileni> naslagao sam se kompjutera, nijedan nije imao kablove ni blizu urednog koliko god se trudio
[10:21] <Mmike> jelly: al' to mora imat nesh s druge strane
[10:21] <jelly> pa ima nes s druge strane, da
[10:21] <Mmike> neki tcp-sp-dlj-wrot-wrot-tunneled-over-ip-with-spx
[10:23] <jelly> al nema za linuxe
[10:23] <vileni> za linuxe nista nema
[10:24] <BotaniCar> Da,jebo ga linux, nema ni virusa, nekmoli nesh korisno
[10:24] <jelly> stizu virusi, nemas brige
[10:26] <BotaniCar> znam, ako nista, job-security level mi raste :)
[10:34] <Mmike> e, pa
[10:34] <Mmike> idem jest meso s icom!
[10:34] <Mmike> je'l moze bit ljepsi dan?
[10:34] <BotaniCar> Iha ! Dve planine mesa idu jest meso ! Tesko da moze bolje ! pozz Icu
[10:35] <Mmike> vise smo k'o dva pudingica, al' dobro :)
[10:37] <BotaniCar> Apsolutno sam uvjeren da je u tm moru sala sakriven i pokoji misich :)
[10:42] <obruT> :q
[10:42] <obruT> krivi prozor :P
[10:48] <BotaniCar> :wq
[10:51] <pkiller> :q!
[11:01] <Mmike> CTRL-X Z Qa1
[11:19] <Hrki> oi, znam da je ovo linux kanal
[11:19] <Hrki> ali jebemu mater, se kome desilo da nema uopce windows update kad pokrene safe mode ???
[11:20] <vileni> Hrki: pa vecina servisa ne radi u safe mode, obicno ni mrezu nemas
[11:28] <Mmike> Hrki: ak tko zna, znaju botanicar i vileni
[11:28] <Mmike> furaju se na linux samo da mogu tu bit
[11:28] <Mmike> u dusi su windows dase
[11:29] <BotaniCar> Da samo imam para za licence, vidJo bi ti kakve sve windowse imam, ovako mi je i Ubuntu dobar ! :)
[11:29] <BotaniCar> Hrki: a sto tebe muci ? U safe modu se podizu esencijalni servii, WinUpdate to nije
[11:30] <Hrki> BotaniCar: ma sve pet
[11:30] <Hrki> ali jebemti pa nece mi uopce updejtati
[11:30] <Hrki> u normalnom modu
[11:30] <Hrki> trazi i trazi te updejtove...
[11:30] <Hrki> pa reko da probam u safe modeu
[11:30] <BotaniCar> ne, nece ti se updateati iz safe moda, safe mod je smisljen za krpanje onog sto win update sjebe
[11:35] <Hrki> picka mu materina, pa nece nikako da updejta
[11:35] <Hrki> tj, da pronadje update
[11:35] <Hrki> pronalazi i nista...
[11:35] <Hrki> cak sam resetiro sve te updejtove, probo sve i svasta, ali neide....
[11:35] <BotaniCar> pogledaj windowsupdateagent.log, ili taknest
[11:35] <Hrki> jebeni update
[11:35] <BotaniCar> Smiri se :)
[11:36] <BotaniCar> Sex ne pomaze :)
[11:39] <vileni> Mmike: vidjet ces ti ako prodjem ispit, zatrpat cu te openstack pitanjima :P
[11:39] <BotaniCar> vileni: ti bas volis izazove :)
[11:39] <vileni> a jucer sam veci dio dana morao raditi iz windows virtualke zbog nekog vpn softvera koji radi samo iz win
[11:39] <BotaniCar> Codename: CISCO :)
[11:39] <vileni> nope
[11:39] <vileni> nesto jos govnastije
[11:40] <vileni> salju mi smsom kodove
[11:40] <vileni> da se mogu spojiti
[11:40] <Mmike> vileni: ispit? :)
[11:40] <vileni> i onda se spajam na *gasp* freebsd servere
[11:40] <vileni> Mmike: rhce
[11:40] <Mmike> vileni: zakaj?
[11:40] <vileni> Mmike: sto zakaj
[11:40] <Mmike> koja svrha toga?
[11:41] <Mmike> rhcea?
[11:41] <Mmike> firma salje/placa ili?
[11:41] <vileni> da
[11:42] <vileni> pa jebemtinfsikerberos
[11:42] <vileni> sad radi
[11:42] <BotaniCar> Mmike: nemosh se na tender prijaviti ako nemas N strucnjaka s X certifikacijskim nivoom
[11:42] <vileni> i neznam zasto
[11:42] <BotaniCar> vileni: kak si slozil ?
[11:42] <BotaniCar> ahahahahahahahaha
[11:43] <Hrki> BotaniCar: imam taj fajl, jel ga umes da ga citas? :D
[11:43] <vileni> BotaniCar: imam ipa server koji mi je i nfs server, dodao tamo host, principal, exportao keytab, kopirao keytab na oba servera, podesio argse na 4.2 (sto je isto super razlicita sintaksa) i mount je radio sa mount komandom
[11:43] <pkiller> Hrki: koji su windowsi?
[11:43] <vileni> ali ne iz fstab
[11:44] <BotaniCar> Hrki: ako ja citam, ja i naplatim :) Trazi vremensku oznaku koja je sto bliza vremenu kad si pokrenuo trazenje update-ova, i onda citaj na nize. Greske jasno oznacava s ERROR, a upozorenja s WARN
[11:44] <vileni> sad radi iz fstab a neznam sto sam promijenio
[11:44] <BotaniCar> vileni: less .bash_history,pa nadji :)
[11:45] <pkiller> Hrki: imao sam ja sličan problem sa windowsima 8.1 i morao sam ručno izbrisati neke updateove, i onda ponovo pokrenuti update
[11:45] <vileni> BotaniCar: kako ce mi history pomoci ako sam u fstab editirao :)
[11:45] <vileni> treba mi vim_history
[11:46] <BotaniCar> vileni: si ziher da je samo to ? Treba bash_history pogledati, ne jednom sam imao "lupanje po celu" trenutak jer sam zaboravio da sam osim X radio i Y
[11:46] <vileni> nish, idem sambu kerberizirati
[11:46] <vileni> BotaniCar: pa jesam, doslovno sam izmjenjivao mount komandu i fstab
[11:46] <jelly> sso sse sslaze?
[11:47] <BotaniCar> šo še šlaze ? :)
[11:47] <vileni> sso?
[11:47] <BotaniCar> single sign on :)
[11:47] <vileni> treba tko sso
[11:47] <BotaniCar> Njubu, nekoncentrirani :D
[11:47] <vileni> sa ubikeyevima i svim
[11:47] <BotaniCar> SSO po kojem standardu ?
[11:47] <jelly> mislim, ne znam za sto bi drugo htijo imat kerberos nego za sso
[11:47] <vileni> koji god hoces
[11:47] <vileni> :D
[11:48] <BotaniCar> vileni: treba mi implementirati SSO koristeci JASIG CAS
[11:48] <BotaniCar> vileni: ako ozbilojno pitas
[11:48] * jelly voli kad vidi kratice za koje nema pojma sto znace
[11:49] <BotaniCar> vileni: ali imam osjecaj da bi ti samo neki hardver preprodavao :D
[11:49] <vileni> BotaniCar: ja sam samo sistemac, imamo developere za sso :)
[11:49] <BotaniCar> jelly: obicno ti punis chat takvima, kad vidim da ti tipkas prvo upalim urbandictionary, onda citam :)
[11:49] <jelly> 3TB vanjski WD za 130 ojra, sa pdv-om i šipingom
[11:49] <pkiller> true story
[11:50] <pkiller> jelly šta je to PDV
[11:50] <jelly> jedini problem: FIERCE PINK
[11:50] <pkiller> :)
[11:50] <vileni> BotaniCar: to ovo?
[11:50] <vileni> https://jasigcas.herokuapp.com/login
[11:51] <weshmashian> smee!
[11:52] <BotaniCar> toovo !
[11:53] <Hrki> BotaniCar: http://pastie.org/private/qi1h8tqzqfb0kgv6ytyg
[11:59] <Hrki> BotaniCar: a prije sam probo svasta, neki winupdate fixer
[11:59] <Hrki> official, obriso updejt foldere
[11:59] <Hrki> pokreno jos 3 fixeva
[11:59] <Hrki> a vidis, nisam se sjetio na logove kad je ovo drugima rijesilo probleme
[11:59] <Hrki> ozibljno razmisljam da updejtam bios :D
[12:08] <BotaniCar> Hrki: sto si mi to dao ? Fali mi kontekst ( bar vrijeme kad si pokrenuo azuriranja). Kad preletim kroz log vidim da je nasao nadogradnje i da si mu zabranio da ih primjeni kod reboota.
[12:11] <Hrki> BotaniCar: ja ti recimo pokrenem azuriranja
[12:11] <Hrki> tj, pokrenem samo search
[12:11] <Hrki> jer ja volim da mi ih on pronađe pa da ih onda ja rucno instaliram
[12:11] <Hrki> tj, da me prvo pita dal da skida pa da skine tek onda
[12:12] <BotaniCar> Hrki: ajmo ovako: rebootaj masinu. Isprazni taj log. Pokreni azuriranje i pricekaj da dovrsi. Pastebinaj cijeli log.
[12:13] <BotaniCar> ( kako je frajer blatantno odignorirao moj prijedlog da mu naplatim citanje logova )
[12:13] <Hrki> kk
[12:13] <Hrki> idem bas tim redom
[12:15] <pkiller> BotaniCar: da znam šta znači blatantno vjerojatno bi se složio sa tobom :P
[12:16] <api984> dan
[12:16] <api984> wass up
[12:16] <BotaniCar> pkiller: 'el vidis kako se trudim obogatiti vam rjecnik :O)
[12:16] <BotaniCar> djes' api
[12:16] <api984> evo na GO
[12:17] <pkiller> i to bi trebao naplatit a ne samo čitanje logova :)
[12:17] <api984> doma se igram s Leap-om
[12:17] <BotaniCar> api-zabac :)
[12:17] <api984> bas
[12:17] <BotaniCar> pkiller: prodavacke su mi sposobnosti, ocito na razini Milanovicevih drzavnickih sposobnosti :)
[12:17] <api984> ubio sam FB, Instagram
[12:18] <api984> delte account :D
[12:19] <BotaniCar> Kak sad to, mislim da sam te nedavno vidJo na FB frend listi :)
[12:19] <BotaniCar> Bo'me te nema :)
[12:19] <api984> danas... doslo mi do svijesti da stalno na FB visim.. kad sam na kompu
[12:19] <api984> mislim da je vrijeme da se maknem s toga vise.. :D
[12:20] <api984> zao mi samo FB grupa, ali ben imam duck duck go
[12:20] <pkiller> real life mmorpg (whitout the rpg part) FaceBook :)
[12:21] <api984> pkiller, jup
[12:21] <pkiller> bolje ti je da igraš igrice nego facebook :)
[12:21] <api984> pkiller, sad cu i stic, xbox360 i ps3 kraj mene
[12:22] <api984> kuzis nece mob biti u ruci stalno
[12:22] <pkiller> sva sreća nemam problema sa time... koristim isključivo messenger na mobitelu, na poslu ne gledam fejsbuk... tu i tamo navecer pogledam šta bi bilo dobro pokarat od frendica i to je to :)
[12:22] <BotaniCar> Uzrok tvoje frustracije je to da si na FB isao preko mobitela :) Samo ne smijes na mobitelu imati taj drek i sve je u redu :D
[12:23] <api984> bio ja na mobu i na kompu
[12:23] <BotaniCar> pkiller: zakaj te nemam u listi FB prijatelja ?! Obicno sve znance s sexy prijateljicama dodam odmah :D
[12:23] <api984> distrakcija kad sam na kompu
[12:23] <api984> BotaniCar, ovaj sexy part.. bilo bi lijepo kad bi se moglo karat
[12:24] <BotaniCar> api984: ja sam ozenjen, meni je premija vec i prilika da pogledam :)
[12:24] <api984> BotaniCar, meni je muka gledat... jer to moram gledat na poslu jos
[12:24] <api984> BotaniCar, treba se suzdrzat :D
[12:24] <pkiller> api984: eee tako je to... kad si informatičar :)
[12:24] <api984> pkiller, agreed
[12:25] <api984> pkiller, daleko od ociju pa ben
[12:25] <pkiller> da si bio pilot, astronaut ili tajkun sad bi one tebe imale na fejsbuku
[12:25] <BotaniCar> api984: a ti si pornjavator na poslu ? Auuu
[12:25] <api984> pkiller, tako to ide danas...
[12:25] <jelly> ha. Orakl izdaje zakrpe za JRE/JDK 6 i 7 ali ih mozes downloadati samo ako imas support
[12:25] <api984> BotaniCar, nop
[12:26] <BotaniCar> jelly: podrzavam "plati pa klati" pristup :)
[12:26] <pkiller> kako rhon jeremy kaže: nekad je karakter bio bitniji od novaca :)
[12:26] <jelly> BotaniCar: sva sreca imaju klauzulu: ako imate support za neki drugi oracle softver koji treba JRE, onda vam ga damo downloadati
[12:26] <BotaniCar> jelly: o0o0o , kako velikodusno!
[12:26] <Hrki> BotaniCar: evo uso u safemod jer nisam mogo obrisati log, sad sam pokreno taj update check
[12:27] <Hrki> neka ga vrti malo pa ti posaljem
[12:27] <BotaniCar> Hrki: majku mu staru, ne u safe modu
[12:27] <jelly> BotaniCar: tak da... sad downloadam zakrpe jer imamo licencu za oracle db ;-) pa cu ih applyati na public servisima koji nemaju veze sa oracle db :-)
[12:27] <BotaniCar> Hrki: ne da ti izbrisat jer file nisi otvorio kao administrator ( start>nadjes notepad > desni klik i "run as admin" > file>open>nadji log > izbrisi log)
[12:28] <jelly> jer naterat vendora da testira i approva aplikaciju sa jdk 8 je mission impossible
[12:28] <pkiller> Hrki: koja si ti spaljevina :) daj posalji malo toga BotaniCar-u i meni da nam bude lijepo :)
[12:28] <BotaniCar> O,da, posalji, stash mi je prazan k'o i novcanik :)
[12:29] <pkiller> neznam sta se to događa u ovoj zemlji, ali ako ovako nastavi morat ću se odselit koliko je teško sredit :)
[12:29] <BotaniCar> Ja nemam problema s sredjivanjem, samo s placanjem :)
[12:29] <BotaniCar> Nda i s vremenom za konzumacije :)
[12:29] <api984> BotaniCar, u pravu ben
[12:30] <pkiller> za to uvijek vremena i novaca... :)
[12:31] <pkiller> dobro ajde... nisam ni ja mamlaz, kada mi hoće naplatiti kao svetog petra kajganu onda ne uzmem :)
[12:31] <BotaniCar> Hrki: sad sam se sjetio da je dio krivice za tvoj problem kod mene: s "izbrisi log" sam mislio zamoliti da izbrises njegov sadrzaj, samu datoteku ostavi di je.
[12:31] <BotaniCar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d4sT2p0a2Q
[12:31] <datase> YouTube: The Heavy - Set Me Free (official video) - 0:03:37 - 2062116 views - 6199 likes / 84 dislikes
[12:32] <BotaniCar> This stuff is so chill it could call itself Joe and kill Batman's parents.
[12:34] <pkiller> BotaniCar: e ovo sam našao prije koji dan... otkriće godine :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVm-rKqvrsk
[12:34] <datase> YouTube: Life on Planets - Curious Palace - 0:03:09 - 2421 views - 42 likes / 0 dislikes
[12:35] <Hrki> http://pastie.org/private/hlkctucpuiwvvknt8al51a
[12:35] <Hrki> jebiga meni moras sve precizno :)
[12:35] <Hrki> ali dobro na isto ti dojde XD
[12:35] <Hrki> ovo ti je svezi log!
[12:36] <Hrki> sad ce jos ispasti da mi treba noviji internet explorer da updejtove
[12:36] <api984> Hrki, ovo samo update nest?
[12:37] <BotaniCar> Hrki: to je log koji je nastao kad si pokrenuo WU u safe modu ili u normalnom ?
[12:38] <Hrki> u normalnom
[12:38] <Hrki> nemogu u safemodu pokrenut WU :D
[12:38] <BotaniCar> OK, trosis WSUS ili se spajas na internet za download updatea ?
[12:39] <Hrki> preko neta
[12:39] <Hrki> ni neznam kaj je wsus
[12:39] <BotaniCar> Aj isprazni log, izvrsi naredbu "wuauclt.exe /resetauthorization /detectnow" i pokusaj ponovno
[12:41] <BotaniCar> Hrki: ako ni to ne pomogne, probaj rucno naci,downloadati i primjeniti KB931125
[12:41] <jelly> taj WSUS je zakon. SCCM i Orchestrator jos vise
[12:41] <BotaniCar> SCCM je nesto predivno
[12:41] <BotaniCar> Steta kaj ni za njega nemam para :)
[12:42] <jelly> kad vidim njubi admina koji prakticki ne zna programirat da slaze automatizaciju kroz to crtanjem grafova i flowova, sve mi milo oko srca
[12:42] <BotaniCar> :)
[12:42] <Hrki> aj
[12:42] <Hrki> sekund
[12:42] <Hrki> thx
[12:42] <BotaniCar> pkiller: fakat su dobri ovi kaj si linkao
[12:44] <BotaniCar> Hrki: prva naredba resetira credentialse kojima se tvoje racunalo predstavlja update serveru, a KB koji sam linkao sadrzi azurne certifikate update servera. Pa vidi, po greskama koje imas u logu imas autentifikacijski/timeout problem, ali ne mogu skuziti da li je kod tebe ili kod MSa
[12:44] <pkiller> kazm baš sam se iznenadio... našao sam u nekom jazz/house setu (to slušam kao background noise) pa sam ga shazamirao koliko mi se svidjelo :)
[12:51] <jelly> fuck yeah dpkg-deb: building package `oracle-java7-jdk' in `../oracle-java7-jdk_7u91_i386.deb'.
[12:52] <jelly> #onokad vidis da je instalacija tak grozni legacy po tome sto se vrti 32 bitni linux
[12:52] <BotaniCar> \o/ [ Brus Vilis vice YIpi-ka-yea .gif ] \o/
[13:22] <pkiller> koji show... poslao starog da mi registrira auto, nema mjesta više u prometnoj za pečat, ode na policiju i neće mu dati novu prometnu jer nisam platio kaznu za glisiranje sa gliserom... a platio kaznu isti dan.
[13:23] <pkiller> ...zovem pomorsku policiju... oni kažu da se vidi da je plaćeno i da će sad zvat zagreb, valjda nešto nije "povuklo" :)
[13:24] <obruT> prvo trebaju povuci, a onda se to treba primit u bazi
[13:24] <pkiller> ..."evo sutra ćete moći registrirati auto"
[13:25] <BotaniCar> Sve su to benigni i nebitni sustavi. Moja je shefica danas dobila e-obavijest da joj je termin za operaciju za dva tjedna. Ima negdje imenoprezimenjakinju i jebi ga :)
[13:25] <BotaniCar> To su sustavi kod kojih se bas ne bi trebalo zajebavati, a ne murja
[13:26] <pkiller> ma nek me potegnu za znaš šta :) i ta kazna je bila sumljivok karaktera već, vidili me sa 3 plavuše da se zabavljam pa su me zaustavili, a lik sa jahturinom izmežu mene i obale proleti...
[13:27] <BotaniCar> Dobro, zakaj nemamo nikakvih slika/video uradaka s tobom i tri plavuse na raspolaganju ? Daj svojoj izjavi kredibiliteta ! :)
[13:27] <pkiller> i zaustave i njega... i pitam koliko je on bio od obale... murijak kaže 150 metara, a pitam a koliko sam onda ja bio on kaže 160 :)
[13:27] <pkiller> skoro sam mu rekao daj ne seri
[13:28] <pkiller> BotaniCar: poslovno je bilo :) ne bi bilo profesionalno da sam ih slikao sa vlastitim mobitelom :)
[13:28] <BotaniCar> Ahh, velis, vec sam ih gledao na pornhubu :)
[13:28] <pkiller> uglavnom ja njima naplatio 900 kn, a kazna 1000 :)
[13:29] <BotaniCar> OK, nemoj zamjeriti sto direktno pitam: jesi jeba' ?! :)
[13:29] <pkiller> nisam
[13:29] <BotaniCar> Nesreco
[13:29] <pkiller> mene mozes pitat ja sam brütalno iskren :)
[13:29] <BotaniCar> Ocu i ja taj "u" s tockicama :)
[13:30] <jelly> Compose u "
[13:30] <pkiller> alt gr + ? + slovo
[13:31] <pkiller> http://store.steampowered.com/app/225260/
[13:31] <BotaniCar> :) ü
[13:31] <BotaniCar> üüüüüüüüüüüüüü
[13:31] <BotaniCar> \o/
[13:32] <pkiller> ßotanicar
[13:32] <pkiller> :)
[13:32] <pkiller> to su njemačke fore
[13:32] <BotaniCar> Ti si spreman za emigraciju :)
[13:33] <pkiller> 8 godina njemačkog u školi
[13:33] <pkiller> i jedva ga znam
[13:34] <jelly> jaaaaa
[13:35] <jelly> ssotanicar slaze sso?
[13:35] <pkiller> kako njemac kaže sso? ßo
[13:35] <pkiller> BO :)
[13:36] <pkiller> već kad sam bio u osnovnoj se raspravljalo da će možda njemci izbaciti to "oštro s"
[13:36] <jelly> um... to nije nego dva s u ligaturi
[13:36] <jelly> ſs
[13:36] <pkiller> ma da ali izgleda kao B pa zato :)
[13:37] <pkiller> jelly file system ili fuck sake :)
[13:37] <pkiller> ti i tvoje kratice... dobro je rekao BotaniCar
[13:37] <jelly> to je ko da velis da ſ lici na f
[13:38] <BotaniCar> ja sam ga pohvalio, kako god da je ono sto sam napisao izgledalo :)
[13:38] <pkiller> sad tek vidim razliku
[13:38] <pkiller> sta je ova žirafa?
[13:38] <pkiller> koji je to znak?
[13:39] <jelly> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s
[13:40] <SilverSpace> ni jednom se nije ubuntu blokirao kod paljenja od kad sam maknuo splash screen
[13:41] <pkiller> Miſsiſsippi
[13:41] <pkiller> ajde sad iskreno .. Mifsifsippi
[13:41] <pkiller> :)
[13:41] <Mmike> pkiller: Wie geht es?
[13:41] <BotaniCar> Tko ima giht ?
[13:42] <jelly> Mißißippi!
[13:42] <pkiller> Mmike: alles gut. Danke für Die Frage Herr Mmike :)
[13:43] <BotaniCar> Kaj I Svabe Kapitaliziraju Prvo Slovo Svake Rijeci ?
[13:43] <pkiller> jelly: amerima bi više koristilo nego njemcima :)
[13:43] <pkiller> BotaniCar: imenice velikim slovom
[13:43] <Mmike> pkiller: oh, kein Problem. Ich mochte Leute Spass zu haben! :)
[13:43] <pkiller> Die sam zajebo
[13:43] <pkiller> ide die
[13:44] <Mmike> BotaniCar: treba i na hrvatskom Jeziku tak pricat, pa da ispadnemo k'o pravi Gastarbajteri :)
[13:44] <pkiller> pričaš njemački i na kraju svake rečenice kažeš jebiga :)
[13:45] <pkiller> Mmike: ich auch. jebiga
[13:45] <obruT> Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer?
[13:45] <obruT> Ja!
[13:46] <obruT> Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!
[13:46] <pkiller> Mmike: Spaß zu haben :)
[13:47] <pkiller> obruT: za ovo mi treba google trans
[13:47] <obruT> vidim da ne kuzis, jer da kuzis umro bi od smijeha :)
[13:48] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: zasto pitas za giht
[13:48] <Mmike> pkiller: nemam tastaturu za ss/ue/ae/oe :)
[13:48] <Mmike> pa je: "Ich moechte" :)
[13:48] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: pa vidi Mrletovu liniju iznad tog mog pitanja :)
[13:49] <pkiller> mmike imaš samo treba stiskat altgr :)
[13:49] <Mmike> veli frend na FBu: "Susjedi mi slusaju dobru muziku, htjeli to oni ili ne!" :D :D :D
[13:50] <BotaniCar> I tvoji slusaju klavirske solaze na taj nacin :)
[13:50] <pkiller> Mmike: to je istinito kao i. I have a tatoo on my dick of a bigger dick :)
[13:50] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: ne citam njegove postove ignoriram ga :)
[13:52] <SilverSpace> ovi kinezi nisu normalni http://is.gd/TjHtO2
[13:52] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: zakaj se ljutis ako te netko deklarira kao HDZovca, nije to nish zlonamjerno :D
[13:52] <SilverSpace> :) jebote pa kad se ja ljutim
[13:52] <BotaniCar> :)
[13:53] <SilverSpace> ja nisam takav lik
[13:54] <SilverSpace> za mene jedino nesmijes reci da sam SDP
[13:54] <SilverSpace> ovac
[13:55] * SilverSpace gleda kak do para doci
[13:55] <SilverSpace> ima ko kakvu ideju :)
[13:55] <SilverSpace> jeftino platim :)
[13:55] <obruT> SilverSpace: reci ovim svojim SDP-ovcima da te uguze negdje :)
[13:55] <Hrki> hvala BotaniCar evo, isprobat cu sve dok dojdem doma
[13:56] <obruT> barem za clanove stranke uvijek ima para :)
[13:56] <Hrki> valjda cemo srediti to, bas me muci XD
[13:56] <Hrki> SilverSpace je HDZovac :D
[13:56] <Hrki> ja ne kuzim ove s most-a
[13:56] <Hrki> znaci zele koalirati sa svima
[13:56] <obruT> aa, onda nek ga hdzovci negdje uguze :)
[13:57] <Hrki> pa sta nije onda bolje da sdp i hdz koaliraju i odjebu mostovce? :D
[13:57] <obruT> Hrki: nek koaliraju samnom ak su face
[13:57] <SilverSpace> obruT: nisam iso na faks tam primaju samo skolovane :)
[13:57] <obruT> u SDP-u da, u HDZ-u ne moras ni osnovnu imat zavrsenu :)
[13:58] <pkiller> gledam kako bi registrirao piplmasttrast.as
[13:58] <SilverSpace> Hrki: da bar jesam sad ne bi pitao za pare
[13:58] <obruT> znam osobno jednog HDZ-ovog saborskog zastupnika koji je imao samo 4 godine osnovne zavrseno
[13:58] <pkiller> i naletim na http://nic.as
[13:58] <obruT> a i kad pogledas one snimke sa feste, ne bi reko da su skolovani, barem ne regularno
[13:59] <SilverSpace> obruT: zacudio bi se kakvih likova u sdp_u ima nazalost jednom silom prilika sam ih upoznao poblize
[14:00] <vileni> hm http://www.links.hr/?naziv=ssd-250-0-gb-samsung-850-evo-basic-mz-75e250b-sata-3-2-5-540-520-mb-s&option=artikl&id_artikl=051.400.325
[14:00] <pkiller> a šta ti škola znači ako si seljačina...
[14:00] <vileni> pa ovo je dobra cijena
[14:00] <SilverSpace> pkiller: istina
[14:00] <pkiller> šta je ovo na kraju linka vileni, tvoj broj telefona
[14:00] <obruT> pkiller: zovi odma :)
[14:01] <pkiller> ruf mich an!
[14:01] <obruT> mozda dobis set nozeva
[14:01] <SilverSpace> vileni: i dobra brzina
[14:02] <pkiller> sta ti evo od samsunga su već stigli na tržište?
[14:02] <pkiller> idem... već radim prekovremeno :)
[14:02] <vileni> pkiller: pa na trzistu su godinama
[14:14] <SilverSpace> mobitel mi poludi kad ga spojim na punjac uopce se neda upravljat stisnes jedno on drugo ukljuci
[14:15] <jelly> SilverSpace: originalni punjac? istekaj ga pa vrati, mozda se popravi. Neki touch screen driveri tako pobenave kad su na punjacu. Vidio na mom starom HTC-u
[14:16] <BotaniCar> Hrki: kad bi HDZ i SDP koalirali anulirali bi 25 godina price "mi smo super, ovi drugi su uzas i neprijatelj drzave"
[14:17] <BotaniCar> vileni: to sam tiJo kup't , pa sam se sjetio da trebam zimske gume :(
[14:21] <SilverSpace> jelly: da orginal punjac
[14:21] <SilverSpace> i da kad ga otstekam sve se vrati u normalu
[14:21] <jelly> BotaniCar: pa isti su, samo ne smiju priznat
[14:22] <jelly> kad bi priznali, iduce izbore bi most dobio ne 15 nego 45%
[14:22] <jelly> a mozda bi i orah dobio nesto ;-)
[14:26] <BotaniCar> jelly: mislio sam da je to bjelodano, i onda Hrki :)
[14:27] <jelly> ah, ne citam log
[14:27] <BotaniCar> Pametan covjek :)
[14:27] <jelly> ko da koaliraju demokrati i republikanci u americi
[14:28] <jelly> sve bagra potplacena
[14:28] <BotaniCar> Nema ni u Jamerici dovoljno ministarstava da izdrze takvo postizborno uhljebnstvo :)
[14:28] <jelly> THIS MEANS NOTHING TO MEEEE AAAAAAH
[14:28] <jelly> Vienna
[14:29] * BotaniCar zvecka s Judas priest
[14:32] <jelly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJfLs9AlyMI
[14:32] <datase> YouTube: Yazoo - Only You remixed by Monotron feat. Eliza Zoot - 0:03:13 - 3827 views - 39 likes / 1 dislikes
[14:37] <vileni> BotaniCar: ja sam rijesio gume, ali sad moram stediti za vjencanje
[14:37] <vileni> tako da nesmijem ni pricati o kupovini takvih stvari :)
[14:37] <BotaniCar> vileni: zajebi vjencanje, kupi i ljetne gume :)
[14:37] <vileni> ma taman cu ove potrositi do tada
[14:37] <BotaniCar> I od'te se vozit' nekamo :D
[14:38] <vileni> gotovo sad, vec je organizirano sve
[14:38] <vileni> ja bi za te pare kupio 2 motorica i otisao na put
[14:38] <Mmike> vileni: to
[14:38] <Mmike> zakaj bi tebi bilo bolje neg nama! :)
[14:39] <vileni> Mmike: suti
[14:39] <vileni> :P
[14:39] <BotaniCar> vileni: di cete slavlje/pir/kakvectozoves imati ?
[14:39] <vileni> ne prihvacam tvoje dosjetke dok mi disk ne dostavis :D
[14:39] <BotaniCar> Ne pitam ni slucajno da bi ti dosli pijani jest u svatove, nikako !
[14:39] <vileni> BotaniCar: catering kvatric, imaju neki lokalcic tamo desno od maksimira
[14:40] <BotaniCar> Aaa, znam , fino mjestasce.
[14:40] <vileni> tamo rade hranu, pa je sigurno nece zafaliti :D
[14:40] <BotaniCar> Microsoft has also begun working with Barracuda, Checkpoint, Cisco Systems Inc, CloudFlare, F5 Networks, Imperva, Incapsula and Trend Micro Inc on a product called Azure Security Center.
[14:40] <BotaniCar> Jos par godina pa ce se MS smijati linjarama na temu sikjuritija
[14:41] <jelly> vec im se sad smije
[14:41] <BotaniCar> Nda, ali im je trenutno osmijeh kisel :)
[14:42] <jelly> jedini razlog sto linuxi nisu razvaljeni je sto ih ima sto razlicitih
[14:43] <jelly> i nije ekonomski isplativo razbijat ih
[14:43] <jelly> vise se isplati razbijati linuxe koji se zovu android
[14:43] <BotaniCar> 'ajmo sad ovo ponoviti na nekom "pravom" linuks kanalu, pa da vidimo tko ce prije dobiti ban :)
[14:44] <BotaniCar> Doduse, ako je admin dobro raspolozen mogao bi pustiti da nas rijeka lave i flejma ponese :)
[14:45] <jelly> nije da linuxasi to ne znaju, cak su se i prave novine raspisale o tome
[14:45] <jelly> (nedavno washington post)
[14:48] <BotaniCar> To je onaj WP rant na racun toga kaj je Linus rekao da ga kernel-elvel sikjuriti ne zanima i da se fah idioti odu igrati s firewallima ? :D
[14:49] <jelly> da
[14:50] <jelly> nek mu se to izletanje sa izjavama malo obije o glavu
[14:51] <BotaniCar> Njemu u prilog ide da kernel-level exploit nisam vidio nikad, uvijek exploitaju nekaj direktno naslonjeno na njega.
[14:51] <jelly> jel?
[14:52] <jelly> to mozes prije zahvaliti svojem redovnom krpanju nego nedostatku istih
[14:52] <BotaniCar> Istina, nisam se precizno izrazio.
[14:53] <SilverSpace> joj da imam para tak bi razvalio sad stan
[14:54] <SilverSpace> nakon 35 godina je spreman za generalku
[14:58] <BotaniCar> Fino je izdrzao.
[14:59] <vileni> nas je prije 8 godina kompletno renoviran
[14:59] <vileni> zato smo ga i kupili :)
[14:59] <BotaniCar> Huh, opet novija verzija OvanClouda
[15:00] <BotaniCar> Ako azuriram, svi ce zvat' jer im klijentska aplikacija ne radi, ako ne azuriram .. treba ic' changelog vidjeti :)
[15:11] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: e da mi jos nismo ni cuvali tak parket kod susjedov je skoro ko novi sami i bez klincov su
[15:11] <SilverSpace> hrastovi klasicni parket
[15:11] <SilverSpace> doduse ja sam wc i kuhinju zamjenio vec cca prije 6 godina
[15:12] <SilverSpace> kupaona mi je ocaj
[15:12] <SilverSpace> još
[15:13] <SilverSpace> odoh van
[15:14] <SilverSpace> klipana vodim na gitaru
[15:32] <obruT> dobili smo neku prezentaciju na mail... prodani smartphoneovi po brandu u q3 2015: samsung 24%, apple 14%, huawei: 7%, xiaomi 5%, lg 4%, lenovo 5%, .... zaradjene pare po brandu: samsung 25%, apple 38%, huawei 4%, ... :P
[15:34] <SilverSpace> eh
[15:35] <obruT> android 84%, ios 14%, MS 2%, ostalo sica
[15:38] <jelly> kad bi prodavali unlockane, dual sim uredjaje vidjeli bi vise %
[15:39] <jelly> za kineze i za samsung isto
[15:43] <SilverSpace> pitam se koliko je internet zaradio od mojeg surfanja po netu ?
[15:53] <SilverSpace> http://www.vecernji.hr/zg-vijesti/rat-za-tvornicu-pljeskavica-1038487
[16:04] <SilverSpace> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guomOlcdc4w
[16:04] <datase> YouTube: [SUBARU] IMPREZA SEDAN CONCEPT World Premiere Video - 0:01:26 - 1745 views - 187 likes / 4 dislikes
[20:02] <Vlado9A3CY> dobra vecer
[20:25] <SilverSpace> za laku noc
[20:25] <SilverSpace> https://youtu.be/wmSgv9A_ZqM
[20:25] <datase> YouTube: Mr Collipark AtomPushers DJWavy: Booty Bounce Pop ft Ying Yang Twins - Lexy Panterra Twerk Freestyle - 0:02:20 - 1442259 views - 18287 likes / 584 dislikes
[20:39] <SilverSpace> OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD KABINI (DRM 2.43.0, LLVM 3.6.2)
[21:03] <SilverSpace> http://jebo.me/pas/8@raw
[21:04] <SilverSpace> joj ovo sigurno nece raditi nakon reboota
[21:44] <Mmike> Your connection Dalibor has endorsed you for new skill: MongoDB
[21:44] <Mmike> vileni, ? :)
[21:45] <vileni> hahahhah
[21:45] <vileni> toliko sam se smijao na poslu kad sam to kliknuo da me tajnica cudno pogledala :)
[21:45] <Mmike> prasac :)
[21:46] <vileni> :)
[21:47] <vileni> btw, da se oduzim, da meni netko predlozi grill zonu nebi planirao put u rijeku
[21:48] <vileni> nego mozda brisanje doticne osobe sa fb :)
[21:54] <vileni> super kako ni ne skuzim da mi mob nije na wifiju jer je jednako spor kao edge
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[00:02] <OerHeks> my desktop https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/mybackground.png this happening 4 years ago
[00:03] <daftykins> puppies!
[00:03] <OerHeks> Jups, there were 8, but all i have now is the smallest one
[00:04] <daftykins> you know what they say about picking the runt of the litter! :)
[00:04] <OerHeks> spread your 2 hands together, and you'll have the size of the bunch
[00:05] <OerHeks> picking the runt of the litter, let me bing it..
[00:05] <OerHeks> oh, oke
[00:06] <OerHeks> He was the smallest one, but so lightweight, he could get on top and get the fattest milk
[00:07] <OerHeks> His eyes squint, but that is no problem, except if he runs off..
[00:08] <daftykins> :D
[00:09] <OerHeks> one way to keep him with me :-)
[00:26] <ki7mt> daftykins, While you guys may not agree with what I said, it's function / method is used by many developers to test the very thing(s) you all said were unwise. The guy was running a short term support release, that in itself is "unwsie" for a production environment.
[00:27] <daftykins> ki7mt: that wasn't even vaguely the original query, you seem to be having a seriously hard time accepting being told you were wrong
[00:27] <OerHeks> True, for production i would choose lts over cutting edge .. but he was asking earlier howto upgrade to the latest.
[00:28] <ki7mt> I dont have a problem with that at all, but, what I said, in fact, is not wrong. It is a method, all bit, know the risks.
[00:29] <daftykins> ki7mt: yes but for the second god damn time, you didn't SHARE the risks.
[00:29] <daftykins> and no it was 100% ridiculous that you even brought it up
[00:32] <ki7mt> God doesn't have anything to do with it, so dont take his name in vain please. So your requirment is, if there's a risk in any recommendation, we " those providing a suggestion", should make them agree to a risk statement before hand .. LOL ..
[00:32] <ki7mt> that channel would cease to exist on that basis.
[00:32] <OerHeks> It is not only the person who we talk too, many find solutions in the logs too. or read it with us.
[00:33] <daftykins> this isn't a place for any daft religious commentary
[00:34] <daftykins> ki7mt: it's a lot simpler, stop giving bad advice - can we move on now instead of having you get hung up for hours on a single query?
[00:34] <ki7mt> They find them all over the web too, like roll your own kernel, but they don't write "Danger Will Robinson" all of the top of the WIKI page do they.
[00:34] <daftykins> once again you're not even comparing apples to apples, that is some seriously poor logic
[00:34] <daftykins> we weren't talking about something being obtained from a third party.
[00:35] <ki7mt> what third party, how did that enter the picture?
[00:35] <daftykins> when you just mentioned someone rolling their own kernel
[00:35] <daftykins> that was totally miles away from the persons original query
[00:36] <ki7mt> In response too: "It is not only the person who we talk too, many find solutions in the logs too. or read it with us." I didn't bring it up, your did.
[00:36] <OerHeks> i did.
[00:36] <ki7mt> his original query was well understood.
[00:36] <daftykins> use a nick so we know who you're talking to, then
[00:37] <daftykins> look, just drop it will you? and don't advise pinning again when it ruins security
[00:38] <ki7mt> I will drop it, but what I wont drop is being told my answer was wrong, when in every bases of fact, what I was., was a viable solution. It's just your option, which your entitled too, that it should not be done that way, does not make the solution wrong.
[00:39] <ki7mt> s/ wat it was/g
[00:39] <OerHeks> ki7mt, big issue is: ubuntu switches to SystemD .. and skipping a release, well, i am not sure it is going to be oke
[00:40] <OerHeks> it might be, but i am not going to test that.
[00:41] <ki7mt> OerHeks, Yes, that may very well cause a problem.
[00:41] <daftykins> it was not viable whatsoever.
[00:41] <ki7mt> Option again.
[00:41] <ki7mt> prove it.
[00:42] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: the_count Be aware he is a 15 year old, but pretty sharp .
[00:42] <daftykins> it doesn't need proving, you told someone to enact a process that meant they'd never get newer kernel versions (minor versions, the two digits following the major version)
[00:42] <daftykins> ki7mt: i genuinely do not understand what major malfunction is preventing you from seeing blatant fact.
[00:42] <ki7mt> "Never" thats wrong completely wrong.
[00:43] <daftykins> bullshit.
[00:43] <ki7mt> All one has to do is remove the lock.
[00:43] <OerHeks> Bashing-om, wish i was 15 .. any show will give me a job :-D
[00:43] <daftykins> oh my word every successive comment from you is more retarded than the last
[00:43] <OerHeks> show-shop
[00:44] <daftykins> i'm done with this topic. stop spewing nonsense.
[00:44] <ki7mt> Now my comments are retarded, because but your statement was completely wrong.
[00:46] <daftykins> well if you're going to be really childish and take apart sentences word for word, then yeah - we're done.
[00:46] <ki7mt> So, I'm wrong because I dont wave a rad flag before a suggestion, I'm wrong because it's a risk, Im wrong becasue you dont like the method, and in case your wrong about package holding.
[00:46] <daftykins> stating that a condition changes when you undo the action, is basic logic
[00:47] <daftykins> i've already made my point, you shouldn't still be struggling at this
[00:47] <daftykins> now try and detach your emotions from computing tasks, they don't belong here
[00:47] <ki7mt> Oh, fear not, Im not struggling wiht this at all.
[00:48] <ki7mt> now your saying I'm being guided by emotions?
[00:48] <daftykins> you're ignored now. go spew nonsense somewhere else
[00:49] <ki7mt> good thank you.\
[00:52] <Ben64> you were wrong because you're wrong
[00:52] <ki7mt> This is too funny.
[00:53] <Ben64> your suggestion amounted to "disable security updates"
[00:53] <Ben64> for absolutely no reason
[00:53] <ki7mt> Agreed.
[00:53] <ki7mt> whoops, not for no reason.
[00:53] <Ben64> yes for no reason
[00:53] <ki7mt> that' doesn't make it wrong.
[00:53] <Ben64> it sure does
[00:53] <ki7mt> holding any packages doe that.
[00:53] <Ben64> Nov 18 2015 15:41:42 <ki7mt> n8s, If you have a kernel you like, putting a hold on the package is one way to ensure it sticky
[00:54] <Ben64> very dumb
[00:54] <daftykins> *nod*
[00:54] <ki7mt> Yes, exactly, "one way"
[00:54] <Ben64> the dumbest way
[00:54] <ki7mt> Option.
[00:54] <Ben64> because normal updates don't change the kernel
[00:54] <ki7mt> Agreed.
[00:54] <Ben64> so its pointless, and not secure and stupid
[00:54] <ki7mt> More options ==> Stupid
[00:54] <ki7mt> And it's not pointless.
[00:54] <Ben64> it absolutely is pointless
[00:55] <ki7mt> So whats is the point of holding a package then?
[00:55] <Ben64> don't get security updates for your kernel because...?
[00:55] <ki7mt> Again, what is the point of holding a package?
[00:56] <Ben64> so your argument is basically "why do knives have sharp edges unless they're made to stab people"
[00:56] <ki7mt> No, I'd like you to answer the question, what is the point or purpose of holding a package?
[00:57] <Ben64> not for holding kernels because you "like it"
[00:57] <ki7mt> Oh, so, the hold function does not work for kernel packages, everything but?
[00:57] <Ben64> again, the knife argument
[00:58] <Ben64> obviously knives can be used to stab people, that means you must do it!
[00:58] <ki7mt> It's there to use as one sees fit, if you don't like it, don't use it, that doesn't make it wrong to use.
[00:59] <Ben64> using it improperly is wrong
[00:59] * daftykins chuckles
[00:59] <OerHeks> bleeeh .. IT IS WRONG! and against the ubuntu policy, we need to keep a line here
[00:59] <ki7mt> lol . yeah that's funny, where doe it say not to use this on certain files.
[00:59] <Ben64> just like stabbing someone is wrong
[00:59] <Ben64> its a tool, just like a knife
[01:00] <Ben64> suggesting that someone hold a kernel package is a terrible idea, even more terrible when you don't explain the ramifications of doing so
[01:01] <ki7mt> I dont care about knives dude, we're talkign about the usage of or not, the package hold function. You guys are telling me tis' wrong to use on a kernel, but the same argument could eb said oof any package could it not?
[01:01] <Ben64> yes
[01:01] <ki7mt> Thank You !
[01:01] <Ben64> you shouldn't hold any packages
[01:01] <ki7mt> sit is wsie to use, weight the risks oneself.
[01:01] <ki7mt> is it wise ..
[01:01] <Ben64> except you didn't explain anything
[01:01] <Ben64> you made the stupid suggestion that someone hold a kernel if "they like it"
[01:02] <ki7mt> You shoudl Hold Packages, "IF" you dont know what your doing with the hold.
[01:02] <Ben64> theres no point, you have no point
[01:02] <ki7mt> Sorry Should Not hold
[01:02] <Ben64> which you didn't explain at all
[01:02] <daftykins> batshit insane factor rising...
[01:02] <ki7mt> And I agreed to as much.
[01:02] <Ben64> yet you still argue that you have a damn point
[01:02] <Ben64> you've yet to explain more than "liking" a package the reason to hold it
[01:03] <ki7mt> I have a "valid" point, and I said, weigh the risks, but, it doesn't make the method "wrong"
[01:03] <Ben64> it does make the method wrong
[01:03] <Ben64> what problem does it solve, what problems does it create?
[01:03] <Ben64> solves nothing, creates security issues
[01:03] <Ben64> therefore, it's not a solution, its a problem
[01:03] <ki7mt> And Ive asked how that is, and all I get back ins "security this, security that"
[01:03] <OerHeks> WoW runs in Syria, Assasins Creed in Palestina and FallOut in Fukushima .. what gameconsoleshould i ask for xmas?
[01:04] <Ben64> OerHeks: ps4
[01:04] <daftykins> ki7mt: because security matters, surprise surprise.
[01:05] <ki7mt> Your kidding right? So does using a short term release of software, does that mean you shouldn't use it.
[01:05] <Ben64> what do you mean by "short term release of software"
[01:05] <ki7mt> In this context, you'd have to say yes, because it's a security risk
[01:06] <ki7mt> short term == not longer being updated
[01:06] <ki7mt> no longer
[01:06] <daftykins> once again you keep moving the topic about to take the focus off the mistake you made
[01:06] <ki7mt> Whatever bug were there, are there
[01:06] <Ben64> non sequitur
[01:06] <ki7mt> Im not moving the topic at all,
[01:06] <Ben64> you completely did
[01:06] <Ben64> pinning a package is ok because sometimes people run unsupported releases?
[01:07] <ki7mt> you said, don't do it because of security risks
[01:07] <Ben64> complete non sequitur
[01:08] <ki7mt> Your putting, and I dont disagree here, security above all else. But, there are times when a risk is needed to deal with a problem.
[01:09] <Ben64> no
[01:09] <daftykins> i think you need to learn to let this one go.
[01:09] <Ben64> and still you haven't ever explained this magical problem that requires you to pin a kernel
[01:09] <ki7mt> however, the person creating the risk needs to understand that risk, "which did not fully disclose" on that count, guilty as charged.
[01:11] <ki7mt> lol .. daftykins you need to stop telling people what to do, because your really bad at it.
[01:11] <ki7mt> Ben64, I don't have a "magical" problem that needs solving.
[01:11] <daftykins> ki7mt: at least i back down when i'm told my advice is wrong - and don't blather on about the same thing for an hour after it happens.
[01:12] <daftykins> :)
[01:12] <Ben64> ki7mt: so don't suggest a stupid answer to your non-existent problem
[01:13] <ki7mt> Ben64, I didn't, he wanted to stay on a specific kernel version, what was it.
[01:13] <ki7mt> that was it
[01:13] <Ben64> which already happens in ubuntu without doing anything silly
[01:13] <ki7mt> I merely said pin it, and the walls of hell opened up, OMG, you cant pin a kernal blah blah blah .. LMAO
[01:14] <Ben64> yeah, because you're wrong
[01:14] <ki7mt> how
[01:14] <Ben64> learn from it
[01:14] <ki7mt> I woiiuld if you tell me how it was wrong,
[01:14] <Ben64> i just did
[01:14] <ki7mt> You all said, its wrong becasue of security ? is that right?
[01:15] <Ben64> Nov 18 2015 17:13:46 <Ben64> which already happens in ubuntu without doing anything silly
[01:15] <Ben64> kernel versions don't change on a release of ubuntu
[01:15] <daftykins> ki7mt: 3 of us have said over and over it was wrong, grow up and accept it.
[01:15] <ki7mt> daftykins, I thought you ignored me, please do that.
[01:16] <ki7mt> Ben64, If the package name, number whatever, changes, is that not a version change ?
[01:16] <Ben64> linux-image-3.13.0-27-generic
[01:16] <Ben64> linux-image-3.13.0-68-generic
[01:16] <ki7mt> kernel series, yes, I agree, 3.18, 3.19 whatever that would eb the series.
[01:16] <Ben64> same version
[01:16] <daftykins> i think there's a screw loose or medication situation here :(
[01:17] <ki7mt> It's the same versies ( your calling version), the package is different is it not?
[01:17] <ki7mt> same series
[01:17] <Ben64> 3.13.0 is the kernel
[01:17] * daftykins chuckles
[01:17] <ki7mt> yes, no what is 3.13.1
[01:17] <ki7mt> A different PACKAGE !!!!!!!!!!1
[01:18] <ki7mt> get it
[01:18] <Ben64> correct, but i didn't say 3.13.1 ever
[01:18] <ki7mt> that was an example.
[01:18] <Ben64> because the version doesn't change
[01:18] <Ben64> yeah a bad example
[01:18] <ki7mt> Agreed, the "version" does nto, but the package does.
[01:18] <Ben64> so you agree the version doesn't change
[01:19] <ki7mt> and when I freeze that "Package" thats it, that what I want, and it should stay there.
[01:19] <Ben64> why do you want that
[01:20] <ki7mt> yes, the version, as in 3.18 series kernel does not, as the patches, unless Im mistaked are applied to that Kernel Version or series.
[01:20] <Ben64> Nov 18 2015 17:13:06 <ki7mt> Ben64, I didn't, he wanted to stay on a specific kernel version, what was it.
[01:20] <Ben64> so again, the version doesn't change
[01:20] <Ben64> want to stay on the same version
[01:20] <Ben64> solution = update normally
[01:21] <ki7mt> from my perspective, anythign that changes in the "Package" i is a change, be the series kerenl itself or not.
[01:21] <Ben64> well you're wrong again
[01:21] <ki7mt> BS
[01:21] <Ben64> and you have no reason for any of this
[01:21] <Ben64> i've tried to extract the dumb reasoning out of your head, but it's too damn thick
[01:22] <ki7mt> The reason can be anything, I dont have a specific use case, I just provided an example.
[01:23] <Ben64> the reason can't be anything
[01:23] <ki7mt> agreed, if we're being pedantic here, anything is not true.
[01:24] <Ben64> you can't provide any reason to pin a kernel package
[01:24] <Ben64> so there is no reason to suggest it
[01:24] <ki7mt> Sure I can. Becasue "I Want To" that's a reason; good one, no, but it's a reason.
[01:24] <Ben64> no reason to suggest it to anyone else
[01:25] <ki7mt> Or, I dont want the package to change at all, for any reason.
[01:25] <Ben64> you can be as dumb as you want, don't bring others down with you
[01:25] <ki7mt> Oh, now Im dumb?
[01:26] <Ben64> your actions and reasons are dumb
[01:26] <ki7mt> If he eantes to stay on s specif package, pin it, thats the purpose of the function is it not, It's up the the person "hwy" they want to stay on it, not my responsibility to "extract" his reasoning for doign something.
[01:27] <Ben64> don't suggest it anyway
[01:27] <ki7mt> Your wrong again. I gave no reason for doing it, other than it's a plausible method, that is not dumb.
[01:28] <Ben64> it is very dumb
[01:28] <ki7mt> it's a simple means to an end, period.
[01:28] <Ben64> it's not
[01:28] <ki7mt> That's an opinion.
[01:28] <Ben64> nope
[01:28] <ki7mt> does pinning the package not work?
[01:28] <ki7mt> does it not prevent it from being upgraded ?
[01:29] <Ben64> whats the reason
[01:29] <ki7mt> I dont care about the reason, we're taking about the action.
[01:29] <Ben64> the kernel version does not change in any version of ubuntu for a good reason
[01:29] <Ben64> theres absolutely no reason to ever pin it
[01:29] <ki7mt> does it not work == Yes It Does, therefore, a means to an end == True.
[01:29] <ki7mt> You say there's no reason, that's an opinion.
[01:29] <Ben64> its a fact
[01:30] <ki7mt> and it's yours, your entitled to it.
[01:30] <Ben64> the burden of proof is on you
[01:30] <Ben64> and you can't provide anything other than "i want to"
[01:30] <Ben64> which is stupid
[01:30] <ki7mt> Wrong again, I dont have a reason for doing it, Im merely saying, that is works.
[01:30] <ki7mt> Stupid == Another opinion.
[01:30] <Ben64> nobody ever argued that it didn't work
[01:30] <ki7mt> and its yuors.
[01:31] <Ben64> the point is it is stupid
[01:31] <ki7mt> Yes, but everyone sure screamed bloddy murder about security .. well news flash, if you freeze a package, you take that risk.
[01:31] <Ben64> for no reason
[01:32] <Ben64> = stupid
[01:32] <ki7mt> Again, Your opinion.
[01:32] <Ben64> you have no reason, you've provided no reason, there is no reason
[01:32] <ki7mt> Other, may or may not agree
[01:33] <ki7mt> Dude, what part of this dont you understand, "I Dont Have A Need To Pin A Package" .. I merely stated that would freeze the stupid kernel package.
[01:33] <Ben64> theres no reason to do so, and no reason to suggest someone do that
[01:33] <ki7mt> And you just agreed that it would/
[01:33] <ki7mt> No reason == Your Opinion agian.
[01:34] <daftykins> this looks like a bad nickname o0
[01:34] <daftykins> or just silly :D
[01:34] <Ben64> i've asked many times why that would be valid solution and you couldn't provide anything
[01:34] <ki7mt> You see no reason, that does mot me the rest of the world may not have one.
[01:34] <Ben64> so there is no reason
[01:34] <ki7mt> does not mean
[01:34] <Ben64> it certainly didn't solve the person's problem in #ubuntu
[01:34] <Ben64> don't suggest it
[01:35] <ki7mt> That may be a better criticism, while it was an option, it may not have solved his problem or need.
[01:35] <Ben64> go pin all the packages you want, just don't tell others to
[01:35] <Ben64> its not an option
[01:35] <Ben64> it only causes problems
[01:35] <ki7mt> Dont tell me what to do, you dont own me.
[01:36] <Ben64> a support channel is for support, you did the opposite of that
[01:36] <Ben64> i'll do whatever i want
[01:36] <ki7mt> YOu can try.
[01:36] <Ben64> i'll succeed
[01:36] <ki7mt> I've not tolkd you what to do, not called you names, have I?
[01:36] <daftykins> you should, by your own morals, want to adopt sense and not mislead users if you're ever going to field questions again
[01:36] <Ben64> i haven't called you names either, just called your ideas names
[01:37] <Ben64> which by all accounts, are stupid ideas
[01:37] <ki7mt> Ben64, I don't think So, I've done "Nothing" against the rules.
[01:37] <Ben64> !behelpful
[01:37] <Ben64> you weren't helpful
[01:38] <ki7mt> And you can prove I intentionally mislead this person or tried to do somethind "Bad" here? The only bad being done here, is the way you've all spoken in general, to me personally.
[01:39] <Ben64> the goal was to have you see that it was bad advice
[01:39] <ki7mt> ANd you can prove my intention, was not to be helpful ?
[01:39] <Ben64> which you seem to refuse to accept
[01:39] <ki7mt> That's just wrong, did you look at the conversation he and I had just priror to you all jumping down my throoat?
[01:40] <ki7mt> Of course not
[01:40] <Ben64> i did
[01:40] <ki7mt> ANd I was not trying to be helpful there?
[01:40] <ki7mt> and that was bad advise to recommend LTS over a short term support version for "production" ?
[01:40] <Ben64> we only took issue with you saying to hold a kernel package
[01:41] <ki7mt> Oh, Im well aware of what you all took issue with.
[01:41] <ki7mt> Well let me tell you something ...
[01:41] <Ben64> i don't know why you're bringing other stuff up then
[01:41] <ki7mt> I've called named, belittled, defaced, just a name a few adjectives, and it's all being logged.
[01:43] <daftykins> it's definitely just being taken way too personally this
[01:43] <ki7mt> Im pissed off at the matter in which you all treated me in this situation, when "In Fact" what I stated was true and would stop that kernel from being updated. Best choice, no, I didn't say it was.
[01:43] <ki7mt> s/matter/manner/g
[01:43] <Ben64> again, there is no reason to prevent kernel updates
[01:43] <daftykins> pretty sad really
[01:43] <ki7mt> yeah, you are pretty sad daftykins
[01:44] <ki7mt> Ben64, You say there's no reason.
[01:44] <daftykins> no, i've done nothing but honourable things :) you're the one crying over being told you were wrong
[01:44] <ki7mt> I may say there's no reason, but it's a "Fact" we dont speak foreveryone, we're not god m8, newsflash.
[01:44] <Ben64> ki7mt: give a reason then? a problem that would be solved by cutting off kernel updates?
[01:46] <ki7mt> Ben64, Im not going down your rabbit hole again, what said was true, and factual, certainly no misleading, and was intended to be helpful. You all got nasty with me, and that pissed me off.
[01:46] <ki7mt> daftykins, See, I'm not crying about anything, but you may be beofore it all over.
[01:47] <Ben64> I didn't get nasty at any point. What you said was incorrect, ignored the effects of that action. It may have been intended to be helpful but it wasn't helpful at all. Please learn from this
[01:47] <daftykins> s/nasty/correcting bad advice/
[01:47] <daftykins> ki7mt: oh with laughter as you carry on? you may well be right there :)
[01:48] <ki7mt> daftykins, No, that's not the issue at all, it's your attitude, to others, I can't do anything about, but when directed toward me, I can, and certainly will. Do bare than in mind.
[01:49] <Ben64> you need to stop taking stuff so personally
[01:49] <Ben64> daftykins and I have had our differences, but I'm not holding a grudge, I hope daftykins isn't either
[01:49] <ki7mt> There you go again, telling me what I need to do, stop, you've not Idea what I need or do not need.
[01:50] <ki7mt> If I am wrong, so bit, I've admitted as much in the channel many time.
[01:50] <daftykins> Ben64: nah, i respect your advice giving - i've definitely been an ass to you at times, in fact i've never apologised for that!
[01:50] <ki7mt> But I've never attacked anyone in the channel, or elswhere in IRC for that matter.
[01:51] <daftykins> we're always going to point out those giving bad advice, because the #1 thing is doing right by the user, so you're just going to need to deal with that
[01:52] <Ben64> any suggestion that compromises security is definitely going to get a negative response
[01:52] <ki7mt> Ben64, I supposed it's all a matter of perspective, and in this case, it's my perspective, you've no leverage there, and to me, there are many comments that were / are uncalled for, and just plain indescent.
[01:53] <ki7mt> Ben64, Because that's important to "YOU" .. dont put your prejudice on others.
[01:53] <Ben64> don't tell me what to do!
[01:54] <ki7mt> How do you like it?
[01:54] <Ben64> i was joking, i don't care what someone says to me
[01:54] <ki7mt> Im not
[01:54] <ki7mt> and I do care what others say to me.
[01:54] <Ben64> but really, a support channel is about support. give bad support, you better be able to deal with the backlash
[01:54] <Ben64> the easy way is to not give bad support
[01:54] <ki7mt> How old are you oif I may ask?
[01:54] <Ben64> doesn't matter
[01:55] <ki7mt> whoos, old
[01:55] <ki7mt> Sure it does
[01:55] <ki7mt> Ok, different tac, what was the first Kernel version you ever used.
[01:56] <Ben64> not sure how thats relevant
[01:56] <ki7mt> Sure it is, your telling me, that I need tolearn how to deal with support and it's pro / cons yes?
[01:57] <Ben64> I'm saying don't give bad support. what kernel version I started with doesn't matter for that
[01:58] <ki7mt> Your picking up on the the message here, it's not what you say, it's how you say it!
[01:59] <ki7mt> LOL Your Not Picking up
[02:00] <Ben64> you didn't pick up that what you said was bad advice
[02:00] <ki7mt> If you ahve a better idea, better method, state the method, and put it to your self, as is, it's what you'd do, as smashing other people, be them right or wrong, is bad customer service in anyones book.
[02:00] <Ben64> the "customers" would be the people wanting help in #ubuntu
[02:00] <ki7mt> One know this if they they knew anything about real support at all.
[02:01] <Ben64> if your analogy is expanded, you and I would be coworkers, and I was informing you of your bad customer service
[02:01] <ki7mt> Im well aware of who the "Customers " are.
[02:01] <ki7mt> Ben64, If you want to look at it that way, sure. Bust me for being wrong, but dont deface the service by doing in public.
[02:02] <Ben64> its a public channel you were told that that isn't good advice, and you refused to accept it
[02:02] <ki7mt> That yields nothing positive at all, for anyone.
[02:03] <ki7mt> Your still not getting it .. it's not what I was told, it's how, good god.
[02:04] <Ben64> you kept pushing it further
[02:05] <ki7mt> Now the next time, if there is a next time, I go in the channel to help, and Im looked upon as a idiot thanks to you all, and the fact of the matter is, my answer "Was No tWrong" it would do exactly what I said it would it just did not meet the approval of others, for "Their Own Reason"
[02:05] <Ben64> see, you still won't accept that you were wrong
[02:05] <Ben64> just learn from this already
[02:05] <ki7mt> Ben64, This is going allot further, it's just the beginning, I can assure you.
[02:05] <Ben64> is that some kind of threat
[02:06] <ki7mt> What?
[02:08] <ki7mt> Ben64, I wont accept that I was wrong, because the asnwer I gave would do exactly what I said it would it would "Pin The Kernel".
[02:08] <Ben64> that isn't what you said though
[02:08] <Ben64> and it wasn't a solution to the problem
[02:08] <Ben64> so it was and still is wrong
[02:08] <ki7mt> and are you saying that it would not ping the kernel package?
[02:08] <ki7mt> pin
[02:08] <Ben64> thats not what you said it would do
[02:09] <ki7mt> It may not have been a solution to the problem. I merely said, go look look up the transcript, one way to do x,y,z is to hold the package.
[02:10] <Ben64> you were suggesting that if someone likes a kernel, that they should hold it. which doesn't make sense since the kernel version doesn't change
[02:10] <ki7mt> And are you saying that that holding the package would not affectly freeze the kernel as is?
[02:11] <ki7mt> Ben64, That's another rabbit hole, not going down those, .. go look up what I said.
[02:11] <Ben64> i did, and you're still wrong
[02:11] <ki7mt> How so.
[02:11] <Ben64> you can't retcon when i have channel logs
[02:11] <ki7mt> retcon ?
[02:11] <Ben64> verb verb: retcon; 3rd person present: retcons; past tense: retconned; past participle: retconned; gerund or present participle: retconning; verb: ret-con; 3rd person present: ret-cons; past tense: ret-conned; past participle: ret-conned; gerund or present participle: ret-conning 1. revise (an aspect of a fictional work) retrospectively, typically by introducing a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previousl
[02:11] <Ben64> y described events.
[02:12] <ki7mt> I can go get the exact satement if you like, I have them all.
[02:12] <ki7mt> I log every thing that goes on is ever channel I join.
[02:12] <Ben64> me too
[02:13] <ki7mt> That's a wise thing to do.
[02:13] <ki7mt> So, is what I said, not factual, in regards to pinning the package.
[02:14] <ki7mt> I'll rephrase, would it not affectedly freeze that kernel by placing a package hold on it.
[02:14] <Ben64> you keep changing the argument
[02:15] <ki7mt> No, your saying I am wrong. Im saying, it will do what I said, but you wont tell me why what I said wont do what I stated in the channel.
[02:16] <Ben64> in #ubuntu you were saying it like it was a solution to a problem. it isn't.
[02:16] <ki7mt> You all have said, I'm wrong, I'm stupid, it's dumb, it's a security risk, and about ten other things, but what you've not said, will it not hold the package.
[02:16] <Ben64> here you're trying to argue that holding a package holds a package
[02:16] <ki7mt> that's what I said in the channel, Yes
[02:17] <Ben64> i have in fact said that the tool does function
[02:17] <Ben64> which wasn't the original argument at all
[02:17] <Ben64> the whole issue was that doing so removes security updates from the kernel, which is bad
[02:18] <ki7mt> And you all jumped all over me telling me why "I Should Not Do That", my argument allon has been, it should pin the kernel, but you tell me why it wont do that.
[02:18] <Ben64> nobody ever said holding a package wouldn't work
[02:18] <Ben64> its just a really bad idea to do so
[02:19] <ki7mt> Dude, I Understnd the Risks, and Affect, but ANSWER the Questino !! wil it not do what I said?
[02:19] <Ben64> please read above
[02:19] <ki7mt> A simple Yes or No would Suffice.
[02:20] <ki7mt> Your telling me Im wrong, and that's what I said, it would pin the package, so who is wrong.
[02:20] <Ben64> that isn't what you said
[02:20] <ki7mt> So ither pinnign doesn't work, or your statment is inaccurate.
[02:20] <Ben64> that's what you're now trying to argue in this channel
[02:20] <ki7mt> It what I said.
[02:20] <ki7mt> It is what I said.
[02:21] <Ben64> since you log everything, please post where anyone said that pinning wouldn't pin
[02:21] <ki7mt> What I said exactly: n8s, If you have a kernel you like, putting a hold on the package is one way to ensure it sticky
[02:21] <ki7mt> Now, argue that.
[02:22] <Ben64> terrible advice, and pointless
[02:22] <ki7mt> Now you argue the work "Sticky"
[02:22] <Ben64> same as before
[02:22] <ki7mt> Those are opinions, again !!!
[02:22] <ki7mt> would it not Workk !!!!!!!!!
[02:23] <ki7mt> Answer = =Yes, it would.
[02:24] <ki7mt> Whether you think it's good advise or not, is the issue we're discussing. The question si, Would It Work. Yes it would I think. Now is it the best advise, that's another matter.
[02:24] <Ben64> its bad advice and doesn't belong on #ubuntu
[02:24] <Ben64> and it's irrelevant because once again, the kernel versions DO NOT CHANGE
[02:24] <ki7mt> That's an opinion, why wont you answer the question.
[02:25] <Ben64> what's the question now? you keep changing it
[02:26] <ki7mt> Would putting a hold on the package as suggested not freeze the kernel package as is?
[02:26] <Ben64> nobody ever argued against that
[02:27] <ki7mt> You said I was wrong did you not?
[02:27] <Ben64> it doesn't change the fact that it's bad advice, has no point, solves no problems, and actually creates a host of issues
[02:28] <ki7mt> Now we're back to that again, circle the wagons again.
[02:28] <Ben64> because thats the point that actually matters
[02:28] <ki7mt> Says you.
[02:29] <Ben64> and you still refuse to accept
[02:29] <ki7mt> I never said I didn't agree that is' not a security risk, did ?
[02:29] <ki7mt> I never said, there's maybe other methods did ?
[02:29] <Ben64> then why suggest it at all
[02:29] <Ben64> it doesn't fix anything!
[02:29] <Ben64> just accept it already
[02:29] <ki7mt> I never said anything other than, it's "One Way To Do Something"
[02:30] <Ben64> its not an option
[02:30] <ki7mt> It is, very much so an opinion.
[02:31] <Ben64> it isn't
[02:31] <ki7mt> prove it.
[02:31] <Ben64> it solves a problem that doesn't exist by creating a lot more problems
[02:32] <ki7mt> A host of other issues, how open ended is that .. LOL .. solves no Problemn, sure it does, freezes the kernel, bad advise, it was a suggestion, not the ultimate solution, it certain has a point.
[02:32] <Ben64> there is no point
[02:32] <Ben64> the only reason you've given is "i want to"
[02:33] <Ben64> which is not a valid reason to cut off security updates, much less tell someone in a support channel to do so
[02:33] <ki7mt> Not, I even prefaced th sentence, in English no less.
[02:33] <Ben64> you didn't
[02:34] <Ben64> Nov 18 2015 15:41:42 <ki7mt> n8s, If you have a kernel you like, putting a hold on the package is one way to ensure it sticky
[02:34] <ki7mt> Do i really need to repaste the sentence again, so we can go over it word for word?
[02:34] <Ben64> 1st off, not english
[02:34] <Ben64> 2nd, the kernel version doesn't change under normal updates anyway
[02:34] <ki7mt> It's not what is it?
[02:35] <Ben64> its still bad advice, shouldn't be given in #ubuntu
[02:35] <ki7mt> The Kernel Package most certainly does change, often.
[02:35] <ki7mt> That's an Option again.
[02:35] <Ben64> the package does sure, not the version
[02:35] <ki7mt> dude, you can't help yourself can you.
[02:35] <Ben64> you can't accept that you're wrong
[02:35] <ki7mt> Finally, a straight answer. ONly took 2 hours.
[02:35] <ki7mt> Im not wrong, you are,
[02:36] <Ben64> you can go ahead and be wrong, don't do so in #ubuntu
[02:36] <ki7mt> Freezing that package will prevent it form changin, or should, thus making it a "sticky bit" :-)
[02:37] <ki7mt> Stop telling me what to do.
[02:37] <Ben64> i can tell you whatever i like
[02:37] <ki7mt> And if you can prove I intentionally tried to do soething bad or not try to be helpful with that advice, I'll never go in there agian.
[02:37] <Ben64> you're missing the point again
[02:38] <Ben64> nobody is trying to tell you you're a bad person or trying to mislead people
[02:38] <Ben64> i'm trying to educate you
[02:38] <Ben64> what you suggested is a bad idea, and i'm trying to show you why but you keep trying to bring the argument to weird places
[02:38] <Ben64> learn from your mistakes, don't double down
[02:39] <ki7mt> Your hung up on what you think is god like, show me where it's written it's a bad idea to hold a package, any package.
[02:39] <Ben64> no security updates = bad idea
[02:39] <ki7mt> Show ME!!!!
[02:40] <ki7mt> where it's written.
[02:40] <ki7mt> And then show me where it should not be suggested to others.
[02:40] <Ben64> right here -> no security updates = bad idea
[02:41] <ki7mt> Oh, there's that god like complex again, anywone else write it, or did you come up with that yourself?
[02:41] <Ben64> it's common sense
[02:41] <ki7mt> so your argument is, dont ever hold a package, as it's a security risk?
[02:41] <Ben64> right
[02:42] <ki7mt> then we can tell the MOTU guys, delete that package, we dont needed, its a secutiry risk.
[02:42] <Ben64> delete what package
[02:42] <ki7mt> You dont even know what package provides the function LMAO
[02:43] <Ben64> i'm asking you, don't assume
[02:44] <ki7mt> It's s security isk, so flash, java, python, perl, bash, and god knows home many other hundreds of packages available in the repository, may as well get rid of them too.
[02:45] <Ben64> you're not making sense
[02:46] <ki7mt> My typing is bad sorry. You said, dont put a hold on packages as it's a security risk.
[02:46] <Ben64> it's been about 3 hours of you rambling around trying to make yourself feel correct, i'm done now. Please read the above again when you're in a mood to actually learn something. Until then, don't make bad suggestions in #ubuntu
[02:46] <ki7mt> I say, well then, my as well get rid of hundreds of packages, if not thousands, as they are all security risks.
[02:47] <ki7mt> OpenSSH and Bash exploits come to mind, should we remove those packages.
[02:48] <Ben64> that's why they get security updates.
[02:48] <ki7mt> Ben64, I'll make whatever suggestions I feel is appropriate.
[02:49] <Ben64> and if they're wrong, get ready to be informed of that
[02:49] <daftykins> ^ +1
[02:50] <ki7mt> daftykins, Is that a threat, or promise?
[02:50] <daftykins> that's a really stupid question
[02:51] <ki7mt> usually, in your case, obviously we need to make an exception.
[02:51] <ki7mt> daftykins, what is stupid about the question?
[02:52] <ki7mt> at least this time you attacked the statement, not the person making it, that's progress, however so slight.
[02:53] <daftykins> i do not need to make progress when it comes to aspie trolls such as yourself.
[02:54] <ki7mt> Now I am a troll, I'll and hat to the list. And what may I ask, do you men by Troll?
[02:54] <daftykins> i don't have the patience to pander to your pathetic drama any longer, get lost.
[02:55] <ki7mt> daftykins, You called me a Troll, I would like to know what that means.
[02:56] <ki7mt> The Channel Topic says: We follow the CoC at all times here | No ranting here please
[02:56] <ki7mt> That must not apply to everyone here.
[03:01] <ki7mt> daftykins, I dont think this is in the CoC is it ?: <daftykins> i have to admit i kinda pushed that guy a bit further so he'd get himself kicked
[03:02] <ki7mt> If it is, I must be missing a chapter.
[03:48] <OerHeks> http://www.bing.com/search?q=ubuntu+port+53
[03:49] <daftykins> :)
[03:50] <OerHeks> i like bing more than google, now you know
[04:11] <Ben64> eww
[04:12] <daftykins> i guess you just "binged it" ;)
[04:13] <OerHeks> bing on chrome ..
[04:15] <daftykins> you made Bashing leave ;)
[04:16] <OerHeks> I am so not sorry.
[04:17] * OerHeks likes bashing-0m
[04:17] <daftykins> :D
[04:31] <daftykins> intel ivybridge (gen3) doesn't have dual-link DVI, how rude! so it's 1920x1200 max
[04:36] <daftykins> g'night team \o
[04:37] <OerHeks> gn daftykins
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> ms goes opensource
[05:29] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/microsoft-open-sources-visual-studio-code-for-gnu-linux-os-x-and-windows-496393.shtml
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> morning Latrodectus
[05:47] <Latrodectus> night lotuspsychje
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> Latrodectus: excited for your new work?
[05:48] <Latrodectus> yes
[05:48] <lotuspsychje> Latrodectus: what will you have to do exactly?
[05:48] <Latrodectus> it's tiring, but it's a job
[06:01] <Latrodectus> lotuspsychje: i have to do my job, and not fuck it up...
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> k
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: still no ota8 :p
[06:41] <OerHeks> Today, sunshine
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> its rainy here :p
[06:42] <OerHeks> OTA-8 will start phasing in today
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> great
[07:19] <OerHeks> lotuspsychje, lets write an Ubuntu manual together ... it will be a hit: Ubuntu manual - how *not* to do stuff
[07:19] <OerHeks> we have plenty of logs now
[08:00] <Ben64> you missed all the fun in here earlier
[08:01] <OerHeks> oh, we have the logs Ben64
[08:02] <Ben64> it belongs in some kind of museum
[08:02] <OerHeks> hips, Microsoft published the Visual Code Studio sources on the GitHub project hosting website https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode
[08:05] <OerHeks> Ben64, well, it might be a stupid idea, but i think worth a try, .. and if someone comes with that stupid idea to uncomment security updates, point them to the book ( that i'd like to write with others like you)
[08:06] <OerHeks> or as title: DON'T USE UBUNTU (this way)
[08:06] <OerHeks> :-D
[08:09] <TJ-> G'morning
[08:12] <OerHeks> hi TJ-
[08:18] <OerHeks> TJ-, he wants to copy his client ssh key to the server, as i understand ?
[08:19] * OerHeks is a little confused
[08:19] <TJ-> Me too at the moment
[08:20] <TJ-> if the server changes the IP address then he's going to keep getting a client-side challenge about accepting the server's key fingerprint
[08:20] <OerHeks> Yes, that i understand, unlikely the server changes ip
[08:21] <TJ-> I think maybe he's confused over what the local client does
[08:22] <TJ-> You know how I seem to attract all the most complicated issues?
[08:22] <TJ-> Took me almsot 24 hours continusouly yesterday to upgrade my HTC M8 from Cyanogenmod 11 to 12.1 (Lollipop) - everything I was supposed to do wouldn't work for some reason or other, and I had to jump through hoops!
[08:23] <TJ-> It made me realise how enjoyable the same experience on GNU/Linux actually is!
[08:25] <OerHeks> TJ-, i notice that, qualified helpers can stay for a few hours, then they are burned up. it is pretty intensive, irc help.
[08:27] <TJ-> Certainly IRC is much harder than real support.
[08:28] <TJ-> You've got to out-think the actions of clueless.positively crazy users, without any chance to actual observe what they're doing that might make things worse :)
[08:30] <OerHeks> complete description of actions, or situation, is key.
[08:33] <TJ-> One of my companies pioneered remote support many many years ago; When you've done that and can get on and fix a system in a couple of minutes IRC is like going back to the stone-age :)
[08:33] <OerHeks> remote support, like teamviewer or phone?
[08:36] <TJ-> as in a permanent network connection to the client's network over VPN, and ability to be remotely controlling the problem PC within about 10 seconds of a support call coming in.
[08:37] <TJ-> most issues were user-created, and if you can get in quick 95% take no more than 5 minutes to solve, including warning the user as to proper conduct in future.
[08:39] <TJ-> We had monitoring systems in-house that'd pre-emptively warn us of emerging issues too, so we could head them off before they caused knock on effects - obvious things like getting close to running out of disk space, or log messages warning of some system problem
[08:39] <OerHeks> Ah, i see, but then you know the hardware profile, saves a lot of time too.
[08:40] <OerHeks> here we don't know the hardware, software version, not even the level of knowledge by the user. and he has to type too.
[08:42] <TJ-> right, but when youv'e got thousands of systems being managed in reality there's rarely much history for each individual system, so you've still got to get up-to-speed. The difference is you've got control and quickly do all the essential background research of system/config/logs without a user to mediate between you and the system
[08:46] <TJ-> hmmm, looks like norc is getting rather confused and blaming the wrong thing for the problems.
[08:49] <Ben64> OerHeks: he did mention wanting to see it in writing that disabling security updates is not a good idea
[08:49] <Ben64> so please do write that book
[08:49] <OerHeks> i will !
[08:50] <OerHeks> :-D
[08:50] <Ben64> and yeah, the hardest part of support is figuring out whats going on
[08:51] <TJ-> logs logs and more logs :)
[08:52] <Ben64> well when a user comes in, "I have a problem"
[08:52] <Ben64> and you have to play 20 questions to figure out the issue in the first place
[08:52] <TJ-> I recall one time during winter storms we had a call "my Internet isn't working" and our quick-thinking techie asked "Did you get any trees blown down?" ... telegraph lines were felled :)
[08:53] <Ben64> I used to live in texas, working in tech support in person
[08:53] <TJ-> Ben64: right, that's where the cost is. Everything you do to pre-empt that is money in the bank
[08:53] <Ben64> I had to keep track of when thunderstorms were, because all the broken PSUs came in after that
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> morning TJ-
[09:20] <TJ-> g'morning :)
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: what you think of this: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/11/17/magicstick-and-ubuntu-core-redefining-the-pc-on-stick-experience/
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> hi there ki7mt :p
[09:22] <ki7mt> Hello
[09:24] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: a lot of marketing hype there... "tap on it to launch it" ... so the stick magically turns the TV into a touchscreen does it?!
[09:24] <TJ-> "Every app is just a few taps away on your TV."
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> well i like the idea of ubuntu on every machine
[09:25] <TJ-> I like how they omit the keyboard and pointing device
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[09:27] <TJ-> If they'd engage in honest advertising I might be more appreciative; as it is I think it's all marketing hoo-har and no substance. I'd like to see someone 'enjoy' the experience shown in that photo... how far away are they from the screen? they must have a telescope to read the text!
[09:27] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> well smart tv is pretty far away aswell
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> and depends how big the tv is also
[09:29] <TJ-> right, and renders a few objects relatively large, and uses something like 140 pixel height fonts
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> on a 60" tv :p
[09:30] <TJ-> I have no problems with the 'idea' but all I see there is wishful thinking rather than something that most people would find comfortable in reality.
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> a friend of mine has this samsung 60" on his wall watching 1080P blurays
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah i understand where you going
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> the real deal instaed of blingbling
[09:31] <TJ-> the large screens are great if you're in a large room; I have one that's 10 meters from the sofa and that just about works nicely
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: how many "
[09:31] <OerHeks> bigger than 25" is too big, i think, even from 10 ft away
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> we have a 40" in about 5meters and were pretty happy with it
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> hmm thats the first ive seen this http://trentaos.org/
[09:33] <OerHeks> oke, my living room is 4 x 6 .. maybe i should get a bigger house
[09:34] <TJ-> 60" Samsung
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: nice :p
[09:34] <TJ-> only really watch BBC News on it :)
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> what a spoil TJ- :p
[09:35] <TJ-> Well, whilst Eddie is away at uni... when he's back it'll be movies I'm sure
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: you need a 80gig bluray bdwmv :p
[09:37] <TJ-> I don't have the time to use it; only time it'd get used is for house parties
[09:37] * OerHeks needs a 70" 8k UHDTV with Dolby Surround 22.2 & betamax
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:37] <TJ-> LOL @ "needs"
[09:38] * lotuspsychje wants a houseparty too
[09:38] <OerHeks> it is *just* 1m77
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> i recently helped my brother in law with a 4K samsung that had mbt clouding
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> seems like samsung cant repair that
[09:39] <TJ-> We'll send you an invite next year. I had been thinking about hosting an Ubuntu get-together next spring
[09:39] <TJ-> can't repair it?
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> and i had to play around with brightness/contrast/led backlight
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: samsungs service doesnt aknowledges it as a defect
[09:39] <TJ-> what's 'mbt' ?
[09:40] <TJ-> I could only think Mountain Mike :P
[09:40] <OerHeks> sounds nice, get-together meet&greet, in Europe or the States?
[09:40] <TJ-> s/Mike/Bike/ !
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> not sure, but thats what ive looked up
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> clouding/bleeding
[09:40] <TJ-> OerHeks: Europe, here in the U.K.
[09:40] <OerHeks> oh oke, UK is doable, Ferry trip is not that expensive
[09:40] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: hmmm... I'd best keep an eye open for that.
[09:41] <OerHeks> tent, sleeping bag and air mattress, whoppa!
[09:41] <TJ-> OerHeks: lol errr no I think we can do better than that!
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6ebpM4yLSg
[09:42] <OerHeks> and a lorry for my pc,monitor, keyboard and such ..
[09:43] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: uk, netherlands and belgium not all far away
[09:43] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: oh, yeah, I see that. no big deal.
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> we should actually meet one day :p
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu lanparty lol
[09:44] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: that's what I've been thinking... it'd be nice for us to actually meet and get to know each other aside from techy support
[09:45] <OerHeks> yeah lotus, i was thinking about that too, for a long time, last big meeting here in nl was with the release of 10.04
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> nice
[09:45] <OerHeks> since then .. ubuntu-nl is a little dead
[09:46] <TJ-> I've been looking at buying a farm in Kent which is the bit near the white cliffs of dover so it'd make a good location for hosting a gathering for UK and the continent
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> would be cool
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> dover is only a boat away from me
[09:47] <OerHeks> and a chance to visit Canonical, London :-D
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> lets hope the war victims from calais doesnt come steal the gear :p
[09:48] <TJ-> OerHeks: Errr!
[09:48] <OerHeks> ...??
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:48] <TJ-> OerHeks: we could organise a Denial of Service party :p
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: doenst liek the big dogs :p
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> haha
[09:49] <OerHeks> Denial-Of-IRC-Helpdesk-Service-Party \o/
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> d4rk ubuntu connecting canonical servers
[09:49] <OerHeks> we should all login, and be quiet
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> by the way we have an anonymous vs isis on freenode :p #opparis
[09:50] <TJ-> You couldn't be quiet if you tried :D
[09:50] <TJ-> All we have to do is say "I've got a black screen" and you'd have to shout out "!nomodeset" :D
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:50] <OerHeks> Turn it on, man!
[09:50] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: not very anonymous then :D
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> your computer has been h4cked by !nomodeset
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: nope, the official is anonops ssl :p
[09:51] <TJ-> I'd love to, as a stunt, recompile the kernel so all the command line parameters need to be entered in reverse: "tesedomtes"
[09:52] <TJ-> oops, missed the "on" off that!
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> :p
[09:53] <OerHeks> Molloh, thank you for visiting the Official Ubuntu IRC channel!
[09:53] <TJ-> See? it'd be real fun... that and a support house party with a slightly tipsy (drunk) agents :)
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[09:54] * lotuspsychje isnt getting drunk by few british drinks :p
[09:54] <TJ-> Let's launch our own distro: utnubu.moc
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:57] <OerHeks> I will have my 1st Guiness ..
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> and i my kilkinny
[09:57] * OerHeks can dance
[09:58] <TJ-> We'll have it on draught for you, we're going to install a bar
[09:58] * lotuspsychje flows down the heineken down the river
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> how about we just stick with belgian beer :p
[09:58] * TJ- throws lotuspsychje a paddle
[09:59] <OerHeks> I am so sad, no shop sells Koninck beer anymore :-(
[09:59] <TJ-> I wonder if anyone's created a network/heat map of the Debian/Ubuntu derivatives, it'd be useful to understand the relationships and the relative popularity of them all
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: lol your such an out-of-the-box thinker :p
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: did you know thats an actual career/job internet thinker?
[10:04] <TJ-> yeah, that's always been my thing :)
[10:05] <OerHeks> There are so many forks .. Mint, Elementary, .. i think i named the important ones
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i saw an interview on the docu of panopticon on the internet thinker
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> about internet/privacy/big brother
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> mint brrrr
[10:06] <OerHeks> I have never installed mate, nor windows on this pc.
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: good pc :p
[10:07] <OerHeks> .. or Fedora
[10:07] <OerHeks> .. or 15.10
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[10:08] <OerHeks> Actually, it is a HP machine, with an win7 license ....
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-desktop-with-unity-8-to-handle-background-apps-and-file-access-differently-496410.shtml
[10:10] <TJ-> I might build a test-bed that deploys the derivatives and auto-analyses all the differences caused, so we have actual hard data on what the differences are, rather than just saying "it isn't supported" we could then say *why* it wasn't - i.e. the differences that make it unique
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[10:11] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I wish I hadn't seen that article, it's put my heckles up immediately with the sub-headline: "the Ubuntu developers are still analyzing how much access will be granted to users"
[10:12] <TJ-> What. The. $)^^)$£! are they thinking!?
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> brb laundry
[10:12] <TJ-> "... the new version of the OS will most likely land on the desktop with all the restrictions in place, ..."
[10:13] <TJ-> time to abandon ship methinks
[10:16] <OerHeks> like the USC, hard coded unity bar, etc?
[10:18] <TJ-> the restrictions they're talking about is about running other applications in the background, access to the file-system, and so on
[10:18] <TJ-> If anyone had doubts about Canonical not understanding what the F in F/OSS means, this really crystalises it
[10:19] <OerHeks> But that article says it is during the development stage ..
[10:20] <OerHeks> MS goes open source, Ubuntu goes closed binairy blob
[10:20] <OerHeks> worldis changing rapidly, people
[10:21] <OerHeks> maybe the world is going to swing on its axes ...
[10:21] <OerHeks> \o/
[10:22] <TJ-> Imagine the support headaches if the user themselves cannot access key parts of the file-system
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> where there is money, weird things happen
[10:22] <TJ-> no, its not money, its 'control'
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> thats the same thing
[10:23] <TJ-> No, it isn't.
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> if you have money, you can control others
[10:25] <TJ-> I've been considering launching a funded alternative for a while now, but with a strong legal community controlled constitution so these kind of 'visionary' centralised creeping changes can't be done.
[10:28] <TJ-> Debian++ sort of basis
[10:28] <OerHeks> With all these new changes, MIR/wayland, phone, tv/car/IOT ..
[10:28] <OerHeks> i think i'll stick with ubuntu for now :-(
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:29] <OerHeks> Some are disappointed about Kubuntu ..
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> yeah blueskaj told me dodnt like where plasma is going
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> and would like to stick to kde for its features
[10:30] <lotuspsychje> isnt here like a kde fallback like we have gnome fallback?
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: greetings mate
[10:35] <cfhowlett> hideeho lotuspsychje
[10:36] <TJ-> I've long thought the main 'problem' with open-source is that it mainly is driven by developers satisfying their own desire to challenge and try out new things, rather than focusing on a stable overall design and goal and improving that incrementally, so we get all these disruptive changes in the core experience simpy because the key developers have got bored with things
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i totaly agree on that
[10:36] <TJ-> that's also its best trait too, so how we 'square the circle' is a difficult problem
[10:36] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: but if your a dev, thats being like an inventor right?
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: the community cant choose what a dev invents?
[10:37] <TJ-> my main objection is to never rip out existing functionality before you've got equivalent replacements in-place and working
[10:37] <lotuspsychje> yeah i really hope they wont rip out solid trusty stuff for xenial :p
[10:38] <TJ-> correct, but having a settled design and roadmap that everyone can understand would go a long way, as would devs actually talking to the end users in the 'long tail'
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> thats like a dream scenario :p
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> but in the real field, things go otherwise
[10:38] <TJ-> Above all, users should have the choice to keep things as they are for them, even if the underlying system focuses in a different direction
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> thats a nice one
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: this should be in topic :p
[10:39] <TJ-> I have no objection to doing new things - I want that - but I do object to upsetting a users expectations and settled exerperience - when you cause disruption you generate negative feelings and lose support
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wasnt that how linux distro's started, big full cd/dvd with the user choosing packages/flavors
[10:40] <TJ-> I'm a dev - I know the itch, but I also like to think I'm professional and respect my users
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> kde,gnome,enlightment,..
[10:40] <TJ-> right, but those choices didn't keep ripping out major functionality ... at that time they were incrementally adding to the existing experience
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> true
[10:41] <TJ-> We had it with KDE, then Gnome, Unity and now KDE/plasma,
[10:41] <TJ-> that's the user-facing, mass-market part that everyone experiences.
[10:42] <TJ-> Server-side the biggest disruptions have been Upstart and now Systemd, but Systemd is doing good things mostly (although breaking my rule of not replacing components until it has equivalent functionality)
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> the user gets drowned in so many distro's
[10:43] <TJ-> I was musing the other day of designing a super-distro that can take and use packages from any other distro no matter what packaging system it has. LXC makes that quite practical now
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: im real curious where this all will go
[10:45] <TJ-> Like - and this is a major issue I think - instead of creating all this new stuff that causes turbulence, how about focusing on building an internal monitoring system that picks up on installation issues and reports/auto-fixes them. The number of issues we see that could be avoided or automatically fixed is massive.
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> i like the auto-fix idea
[10:45] <TJ-> Yo've only got to look at the logs - especially $HOME/.xsession-errors - to see that the developers are not checking how their programs are misbehaving. The code is, bluntly, crap!
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> there should be more practical devs like you TJ-
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> feet on the ground thinking
[10:48] <TJ-> auto-fix would spot 'issue fingerprints' from the logs, and then query a distro server for related/the same issues and download a specific diagnostic shell script. That would do further specific in-depth investigation, report back to the bug/issue tracker, and if available download a 'fixer' script for the specific issue. It'd then tell the user, ask them if they wanted to attempt a fix, and if the
[10:48] <TJ-> user approves, would create a snapshot of the system at that point, make the 'fix', ask the user to test it and if OK accept it. If not accepted, roll-back to the snapshot and carry on
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: if ubuntu brainstorm would still exist
[10:48] <TJ-> All this is stuff I'm - slowly - working on myself, to create a secure (encryption from boot), auto-healing distro
[10:49] <TJ-> Whatever a distro does, the owner/operator of the PC should be, and feel to be, in positive control of their PCs destiny
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: not going to be easy, with so many diff hardware?
[10:50] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: hardware doesn't matter; in fact, hardware issues are the easiest to diagnose and fix!
[10:50] <TJ-> hardest part is user interface issues
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> right
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> morning Ben64
[10:51] <Ben64> hello
[10:51] <TJ-> which is where snapshots come in. I use git to manage all changes to my .dotfiles .dotdirs config in $HOME, triggered recently by inotify watches on the key dirs. That way, I can instantly roll-back any and all changes. If that were a standard part of all installs... well... we'd have so many less issues and users could quickly fix their own problems
[10:52] <Ben64> it's 2:51am btw
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> night :p
[10:52] <TJ-> Ben64: you're late!
[10:52] <Ben64> had to cut power to test a GFCI outlet
[10:52] <Ben64> turns out, no voltage from hot to neutral
[10:52] <Ben64> very strange
[10:53] <TJ-> mice eaten through the cable?
[10:54] <Ben64> i hope not
[10:54] <Ben64> don't really get much of that in this area though
[10:54] <Ben64> more likely the previous owners did dumb stuff with the wiring
[10:54] <Ben64> i've seen it in many other places in the house
[10:55] <Ben64> old 1970s ceiling light above bathtub, one of those light socket -> outlet things, plugged into a fluorescent light box, in a box made of 2x4s
[10:56] <Ben64> i'm surprised it didn't start a fire
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:57] <TJ-> crikey!
[10:57] <TJ-> well, be glad you haven't got wiring from the early 1900s :)
[10:57] <Ben64> yeah thats good
[10:57] <Ben64> i've seen those... cloth insulation
[10:59] <Ben64> aluminum wiring sucks too
[10:59] <TJ-> right. I'm aiming to replace almost everything with 2-core copper 12V DC
[11:01] <Ben64> 12v?
[11:02] <TJ-> yeah, very little need for 240V AC around now most devices are digital, with the exception of ktichen/laundry
[11:02] <TJ-> Hoping to go 100% off-grid with our own generation capacity
[11:02] <Ben64> that's awesome
[11:02] <Ben64> isn't it hard to power most things with 12v though
[11:02] <Ben64> computers, tv, etc
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> ive got 16/19v solar panel to branch smartphones/laptops on
[11:03] <TJ-> No, most take 12V by default. PCs are 12V DC or less. Many monitors have 12V inputs or can be adapted, as can many LED TVs
[11:04] <Ben64> hmm
[11:06] <TJ-> In my study I have a 12V run and a 5V run. I use standard outlets for each (5V is USB A, 12V is barrels)
[11:07] <TJ-> power comes from some large lorry/tractor/RV type batteries which are charged from solar, wind, and mains as needed. Just need to up the charging capacity and add a few more batteries so it can cope with a weeks worth of load without a charge
[11:08] <Ben64> sounds good
[11:10] <Ben64> would you run into problems with cable length though
[11:10] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: do you charge batteries from the solar panel, or charge directly?
[11:11] <TJ-> Ben64: shorter the better but using large core and keeping the batteries as close to the loads as possible.
[11:14] <TJ-> I was investigating dual-use recently - using existing copper water pipes to also carry the power. It actually makes sense
[11:17] <cfhowlett> that sounds WAY too exotic or me to mess with.
[11:18] <TJ-> :)
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: it charges the internal battery + charge directly also
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> bbl dinner
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[16:30] <lotus|nexus7> updating
[16:34] <daftykins> strange class of folks we're getting in these days
[17:29] <lotus|xenial> good evening to all
[17:29] <daftykins> hallo o/
[17:29] <daftykins> how's lotus today?
[17:29] <lotus|xenial> hey daftykins :p
[17:30] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: fine just updated nexus7 and my bq to OTA8
[17:30] <lotus|xenial> rocknroll :p
[17:30] <lotus|xenial> what are you busy with daftykins
[17:31] <daftykins> well i got given the Nexus 5 my friend promised, today
[17:31] <daftykins> http://www.techblo.gg/stuff/n5.jpeg http://www.techblo.gg/stuff/n5-2.jpg :)
[17:31] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: new or 2nd hand?
[17:31] <daftykins> very much second hand :> but free!
[17:31] <daftykins> i've got a screen on order but it'll take until December to arrive :(
[17:32] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: you sure the insides are intact?
[17:32] <daftykins> yeah he's a mate i know well so he was using it for ages until the screen cracked enough that the above was how it looked
[17:32] <daftykins> in fact when i pressed on it, i saw a message window display clearly
[17:33] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: will you put touch on it?
[17:33] <daftykins> no
[17:33] <daftykins> if it works properly it'll be an option to move up from my Nexus 4 maybe
[17:33] <lotus|xenial> ah nexus4 should work fine, n5 still got issues i think
[17:33] <daftykins> i don't have any interest really :)
[17:34] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: for smartphone use you mean?
[17:35] <daftykins> in most things ubuntu for desktop and phone, really
[17:36] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: running win for desktop?
[17:37] <daftykins> depends on the system i'm on
[17:37] <lotus|xenial> ah kk
[17:37] <daftykins> but yeah, mostly :)
[17:37] <lotus|xenial> !info xpad
[17:38] <lotus|xenial> !info xpad xenial
[17:38] <lotus|xenial> ah same
[17:38] <lotus|xenial> this1 doesnt crash on xenial :p
[17:42] <lotus|xenial> oO
[17:44] <daftykins> or does it!?
[17:45] <lotus|xenial> lol no, regular system crash :p
[17:49] <lotus|xenial> http://oi66.tinypic.com/b3whs6.jpg
[17:49] <lotus|xenial> xenial wobbly windows :p
[17:50] <daftykins> such a fast IRC client, it's racing from left to right!
[17:51] <lotus|xenial> lol
[17:51] <daftykins> that really reminds me of a logo but i can't think which!
[17:51] <lotus|xenial> hey BluesKaj
[17:52] <BluesKaj> hey lotus|xenial
[17:52] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: 'run' from windows? :p
[17:52] <daftykins> yes it is! :D
[17:53] <daftykins> i am impressed, i knew i had seen it somewhere
[17:53] <lotus|xenial> BluesKaj: you just missed my xenial wobbly windows shot: http://oi66.tinypic.com/b3whs6.jpg
[17:55] <BluesKaj> oh wobbly windows...haven't used it in a while, mainly used it to impress my windows buddies ;-)
[17:55] <lotus|xenial> lol
[17:56] <BluesKaj> about all it's meant for IMO
[17:56] <lotus|xenial> and then run winblows in a VM and wobble with it
[17:56] <lotus|xenial> 'wobbly windows'
[17:56] * lotus|xenial hides for daftykins
[17:56] <daftykins> XD
[17:57] <daftykins> and possibly making your PC consume more power, to heat your home in winter
[17:57] <BluesKaj> I've had enough of windows for a while , with all the tomfolery around the W10 upgrades , what a pita
[17:57] <lotus|xenial> :p:p
[17:59] <daftykins> tomfoolery?
[18:00] <daftykins> works for me :) i'll still keep people on 7 though, for business folk
[18:05] <lotus|xenial> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-8-update-officially-released-496432.shtml
[18:09] <BluesKaj> daftykins, yeah , it's foolishness to me , should have stuck with W7
[18:10] <BluesKaj> I don't like the "look"
[18:32] <daftykins> mmm lots of white to begin with, the latest build or "fall update" has already changed a lot of that
[18:35] <daftykins> nooo lotus invites all the riff raff
[18:35] <lotus|xenial> lol
[18:35] <lotus|xenial> this is the hardest channel to get idlers in
[18:35] <lotus|xenial> dont worry
[18:35] <daftykins> ;)
[18:35] <lotus|xenial> after 2hours they leave and you never see them back
[18:36] <lotus|xenial> even the hard volunteers keep forgetting to add to favs
[18:36] <daftykins> we can't even keep eric in ;_;
[18:36] <lotus|xenial> yeah lol
[18:36] <lotus|xenial> and monkeydust
[18:36] <lotus|xenial> and ioria
[18:36] <lotus|xenial> and your friend, hackerII wahaha
[18:37] <daftykins> i only just spotted Missl0tus ! hi o/
[18:38] <lotus|xenial> lol
[18:38] <lotus|xenial> Missl0tus: be friendly to him!$
[18:39] <daftykins> wow IRC under duress... :)
[18:39] <Missl0tus> lol
[18:39] <Missl0tus> hello!
[18:39] <Missl0tus> :p
[18:39] <daftykins> ah you have pinched the other computer, excellent
[18:40] <lotus|xenial> yep im upstairs on xenial box again
[18:40] <Missl0tus> otherwise I have no computer here
[18:40] <Missl0tus> lol
[18:40] <daftykins> do you tend to get by without?
[18:40] <daftykins> i know a lot of folk can't stand to see them once they finish work
[18:40] <lotus|xenial> its true, im clamining it most of the time
[18:41] <Missl0tus> we are a nice couple he's upstairs and I am downstairs
[18:41] <Missl0tus> ...
[18:41] <Missl0tus> :p
[18:41] <lotus|xenial> lol
[18:41] <daftykins> "absence makes the heart grow fonder"
[18:41] <lotus|xenial> shhhhh; dont tell all our secrets public
[18:41] <daftykins> perhaps you can email him a recipe to do for dinner, Missl0tus ?
[18:41] <lotus|xenial> we just had french fries with horse eye eggs
[18:41] <daftykins> though i guess you guys have already done that in your timezone :>
[18:41] <daftykins> horse eye o0
[18:42] <lotus|xenial> humm
[18:42] <Missl0tus> :p
[18:42] <Missl0tus> lol
[18:42] <lotus|xenial> not sure how its called in english lol
[18:42] <lotus|xenial> the yellow of the egg complete?
[18:42] <daftykins> i just had a couple of bacon sandwiches, mmm
[18:42] <daftykins> oh right, yolk on its' own?
[18:42] <lotus|xenial> like scrambled eggs, but not scrambled lol
[18:43] <lotus|xenial> wait a google pic
[18:43] <Missl0tus> the yellow of the egg complete lol
[18:44] <lotus|xenial> lol
[18:44] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: http://static4.koken.vtm.be/sites/koken.vtm.be/files/recipe/image/istock_000002975400small.jpg
[18:44] <lotus|xenial> Missl0tus: you say it in english!
[18:44] <daftykins> ah just normal fried egg i'd call that
[18:44] <Missl0tus> the boiled egg fried egg, sunny side up
[18:44] <daftykins> :D
[18:45] <lotus|xenial> grrrr you googled it cheater Missl0tus
[18:45] <Missl0tus> yes yes
[18:45] <lotus|xenial> hahaha
[18:45] <daftykins> :O
[18:46] <Missl0tus> horse eye lol
[18:46] <daftykins> that'd be one very sick horse
[18:46] <lotus|xenial> hehe
[18:46] <daftykins> :D
[18:46] <Missl0tus> lol
[18:46] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: so how would you call this then? http://rachelcooksthai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/fried-egg-1.jpg
[18:46] <daftykins> an accident
[18:46] <lotus|xenial> wahaha
[18:47] <daftykins> looks like an omelette :)
[18:47] <lotus|xenial> but an omelette is also fryed, in the pan?
[18:47] <daftykins> ja
[18:47] <lotus|xenial> lol
[18:47] <lotus|xenial> you dont have a special name for horse eye? :p
[18:47] <daftykins> ok you win, i am no eggxpert
[18:47] <lotus|xenial> :p
[18:49] <daftykins> i'm going to reassemble this broken phone and put a SIM in, see if i can call it XD
[18:49] <lotus|xenial> cool
[18:49] <lotus|xenial> give it a second life
[18:49] <daftykins> oh yeah it's going to be fine hopefully once i receive the new screen, it's just likely weeks away on delivery :(
[18:53] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: overseas delivery?
[18:54] <daftykins> yeah cheap Hong Kong ebay job
[18:54] <lotus|xenial> goold ol china :p
[18:55] <daftykins> :D
[18:55] <daftykins> £26 for the 1080p phone LCD, digitiser, glass and front casing O_O
[18:55] <lotus|xenial> oO
[18:57] <daftykins> i don't 100% believe it if i'm honest :)
[18:58] <Missl0tus> http://www.123rf.com/photo_38902195_breakfast-with-croissants-orange-juice-and-coffee.html
[18:58] <Missl0tus> *hint
[18:58] <Missl0tus> tomorrow
[18:58] <lotus|xenial> mmmmm
[18:59] <Missl0tus> hard-boiled egg!
[18:59] <Missl0tus> :p
[18:59] <lotus|xenial> ill wait patienctly in my bed Missl0tus
[18:59] <Missl0tus> haha
[18:59] <lotus|xenial> :p
[19:10] <daftykins> you'll be waiting a long, long time ;)
[19:10] <lotus|xenial> lol
[19:10] <Missl0tus> :-)
[19:10] <lotus|xenial> she knows the way to the bakery
[19:10] <Missl0tus> he's so nice
[19:10] <Missl0tus> lol
[19:11] <Missl0tus> romantisch
[19:11] <lotus|xenial> romantic you mean
[19:11] <Missl0tus> :p
[19:13] <daftykins> hey it's no good to tease lisps!
[19:13] <lotus|xenial> OerHeks: !!!
[19:14] <lotus|xenial> OerHeks: OTA8 is alive and kicking
[19:14] <Missl0tus> lol daftykins
[19:14] <OerHeks> hoi lotus, ja ik zag het net :-)
[19:16] <lotus|xenial> OerHeks: do you know the english word for 'paardenoog' (omelet)
[19:16] <daftykins> http://www.techblo.gg/stuff/n5-3.jpg
[19:16] <daftykins> aww yes fixed! ;)
[19:16] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: looking very techy :p
[19:17] <daftykins> Mischief got in on the first pic - http://www.techblo.gg/stuff/n5.jpeg
[19:18] <OerHeks> lotus|xenial, nope, 'paardenoog' looks like a normal egg
[19:19] <lotus|xenial> OerHeks: daftykins thinks its fryed eggs, but omelette is also fryed
[19:21] <OerHeks> omelette is egg, milk, salt & pepper, stirred until it is fluffy, then baked?
[19:22] <OerHeks> and if you stirr it during baking, it is scrambled egg ??
[19:22] <lotus|xenial> so fryed egg means its still complete
[19:22] <daftykins> eggs are too complex for moi
[19:22] <lotus|xenial> lol
[19:23] <daftykins> that phone doesn't even turn its' display off, heh
[19:23] <daftykins> ah well, i must wait for the screen :(
[19:24] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: maybe with power+vol down?
[19:24] <daftykins> nah i can see it boot
[19:25] <daftykins> i think it's getting stuck after android comes up though
[19:25] <lotus|xenial> lets hope it didnt break mobo
[19:25] <OerHeks> Is there a Quizz going on in #ubuntu ?
[19:26] <daftykins> lol
[19:26] <daftykins> yeah some kind of locales challenge
[19:26] <lotus|xenial> #ubuntu-touch is even more weird
[19:27] <lotus|xenial> that studio guys is asking weird noob questions for n hour
[19:27] <OerHeks> mir of wayland .. wat is cli?
[19:27] <lotus|xenial> lol
[19:36] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: she got a xorg line from an arch wiki
[19:36] <lotus|xenial> daftykins: i already told her, thats not the way to go..
[19:36] <daftykins> i gave a bunch of links, one was disabling Xorg's backing store, few other params
[19:37] <OerHeks> *him
[19:37] <lotus|xenial> victoria is a him?
[19:37] <daftykins> yeah when this user first came in it was a guy, i think the nick is a cover up to maybe make people help more
[19:37] <daftykins> common tactic
[19:37] <OerHeks> it is just the same attentionseeker that is here all week, man.
[19:37] <lotus|xenial> grmbl
[19:37] <lotus|xenial> whats wrong with these ppl
[19:38] <lotus|xenial> irc crossdressing
[19:39] <daftykins> in all seriousness i've encountered a lot of transgender or otherwise users on freenode
[19:40] <OerHeks> err .. wikipedia is right, 'heks' is most times a woman ... not always
[19:40] <lotus|xenial> :p
[19:42] <lotus|xenial> i thought hacking wasnt allowed on freenode?
[19:42] <lotus|xenial> how did those #opparis guys create this without seeing?
[19:43] <OerHeks> no such channel
[19:44] <lotus|xenial> OerHeks: * Now talking on #opparis
[19:44] <daftykins> zomg that phone booted! :D
[19:44] <lotus|xenial> !yay | daftykins
[19:44] <daftykins> \o/
[19:44] <daftykins> it rings, when called too \o/
[19:50] <OerHeks> call me ... mayby ..
[19:50] <OerHeks> is there a thunderstorm worldwide, or earthquake comming?
[19:51] <lotus|xenial> howso OerHeks ?
[19:52] <daftykins> definitely some nasty gloomy weather over here :)
[19:52] <lotus|xenial> rainy here also
[19:53] <daftykins> aaaaand that's enough of ubuntu for today
[19:59] <lotus|xenial> :p
[20:00] <lotus|xenial> ioria: !!!!
[20:01] <lotus|xenial> you found us again
[20:01] <ioria> wow.... are you becoming xenial ?
[20:01] <lotus|xenial> ioria: yes from the start
[20:01] <lotus|xenial> ioria: updated from 15.10
[20:02] <ioria> how it is ? i'm curious
[20:02] <lotus|xenial> ioria: its still in daily image, but pretty sable so far
[20:02] <ioria> good....
[20:03] <ioria> something new ?
[20:03] <lotus|xenial> ioria: new libreoffice, new firefox
[20:03] <ioria> wow....
[20:03] <lotus|xenial> and lots of internal stuff
[20:03] <lotus|xenial> !info libreoffice xenial
[20:04] <ioria> i'd like to try it....
[20:04] <lotus|xenial> ioria: well still looks mostly like 15.10 for now
[20:05] <lotus|xenial> ioria: but im helping hunting early bugs so
[20:05] <ioria> i see... you are like the Rangers " Always a step ahead , Horra !!! " :þ
[20:06] <lotus|xenial> :p
[20:14] <lotus|xenial> ioria: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-16-04-64bit-Development-branch-568865930
[20:17] <ioria> lotus|xenial, that's cool
[20:17] <lotus|xenial> :p
[20:18] <fusioned> hey guys
[20:18] <lotus|xenial> hi
[20:18] <daftykins> \o
[20:18] <fusioned> was trying to get a feel for what games people with Trusty or Ubuntu are playing these days
[20:19] <fusioned> be it naitive, with WINE, emulators, playonlinux, whatevs
[20:19] <lotus|xenial> fusioned: i find shadow of mordor intensive on ubuntu
[20:19] <lotus|xenial> steam game
[20:20] <fusioned> ive heard of that game. what type of game is it like? rpg? mmo?
[20:20] <lotus|xenial> fusioned: check steams database for linux games
[20:20] <lotus|xenial> fusioned: check the shadow of mordor trailer :p
[20:21] * daftykins pats his xbox
[20:21] <daftykins> ;)
[20:22] <lotus|xenial> :p
[20:22] <fusioned> have you tried Rust?
[20:22] <fusioned> Rust looks kinda cool
[20:22] <lotus|xenial> no im not really a gamer
[20:23] <daftykins> #ubuntu-steam might allow gaming chat, not sure
[20:32] <lotus|xenial> !info links2
[21:24] <lotus|xenial> nite nite all
[21:25] <OerHeks> :-)
[21:25] <lotus|xenial> sudo halt -p
[21:25] <OerHeks> see you soon, maroon
[21:25] <lotus|xenial> OerHeks: byebye ; )
[21:33] <fusioned> gonna kick it old school and play some diablo 2 and half-life and Q3 Arena
[21:33] <fusioned> maybe Manhunt too since it runs well with WINE
[21:42] <damnation> wow
[21:46] <pauljw> :)
[21:48] <daftykins> just don't tell the devs...
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[00:00] <ki7mt> If I want to freeze X, Y, or X, and not change it, for whatever reason, that's a risk for sure, but it functions as intended, all bit, know the risks when using it.
[00:00] <daftykins> ki7mt: look i don't know what you're after, you gave bad advice... with no warning... we shot it down, job done
[00:00] <truexfan81> for doing a release upgrade does it matter if all updates for the current version are installed or not?
[00:00] <k1l_> ki7mt: most people dont know the risk. and you seem not to know about the risks, too.
[00:01] <k1l_> truexfan81: should not matter
[00:02] <ki7mt> k1l_, That's a pretty bold statement, but I'll let this go, it's pointless.
[00:02] <daftykins> we're all going to make mistakes *shrug*
[00:02] <Bashing-om> truexfan81: Most assuredly . Insure that the present system is fully updated proir to the release upgrade .
[00:03] <truexfan81> Bashing-om: ok, i've got it doing apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:04] <Bashing-om> truexfan81: Yeah .. good deal . aslo revert a proprietary graphics (if any) driver to open source .
[00:05] <truexfan81> Bashing-om: brand new install in a vm, so no prop drivers to deal with :D
[00:05] <daftykins> if it's a VM, why upgrade at all? why not just grab the latest media?
[00:05] <truexfan81> experiment
[00:06] <k1l_> ki7mt: just look at ubuntu.com/usn how much issues there are which get fixed with udpates. i bet you will not fix something like CVE-2015-2925 on your own. so dont advise others to do so is fine.
[00:06] <GhostPhreak> Anyone know how to make the top bar look bigger on a computer with a 3k resolution? It's very small and hard to see.
[00:06] <truexfan81> daftykins: i want to see if i personally can go from the lts to 15.10 without breaking it, if i succeed i'll upgrade my netbook
[00:06] <thetrav> I can put arbitrary vars after a host in the inventory file and it will be available in facts right?
[00:07] <Guest50567> wow
[00:07] <daftykins> truexfan81: that totally goes against how it's meant to be done but ok :)
[00:08] <OerHeks> GhostPhreak, there is no systemsetting for that, not even in unity-tweak..
[00:09] <GhostPhreak> Oh
[00:09] <truexfan81> te73m
[00:09] <GhostPhreak> So, no way to make it larger?
[00:09] <truexfan81> fail
[00:09] <truexfan81> random vm password lol
[00:10] <truexfan81> no worries i use that for nothing else
[00:10] <ki7mt> k1l_, I look at that every day, I get them delivered to my inbox. Guess, what, every new package version has the same potential risks, the risk is there, always. If one doesn't know they are doing with kernel, odds are, they should being doing anything with it at all, that's just common sense.
[00:11] <k1l_> ki7mt: point is: this is a beginners channel.
[00:12] <ki7mt> fare enough, point taken
[00:12] <OerHeks> GhostPhreak, i am wrong, you can, by adjusting the size/scale > 1) Go into the system settings (unity-control-center.) 2) Go to Displays 3) Mess around with scale.
[00:15] <Bashing-om> I am shocked " < OerHeks> GhostPhreak, i am wrong, "; Mentor defaltion, owww the hurt .
[00:16] <truexfan81> daftykins: how is it meant to be done? just from one lts to the next?
[00:16] <daftykins> truexfan81: yeah, or... you have to go via all intermediary releases after selecting that you don't want to remain on LTS
[00:16] <OerHeks> Bashing-om, it is an hidden option, not logical at all to do so ( got there via a mint forum, ugh)
[00:16] <Guest27869> Official Ubuntu Support Channel | IRC Guidelines: http://ubottu.com/y/gl | IRC info: http://ubottu.com/y/irc | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ | Download: http://ubottu.com/y/dl | Currently supported: 12.04 LTS, 14.04 LTS, 15.04, 15.10
[00:16] <daftykins> truexfan81: if you're on 14.04 i'd not go to 15.10
[00:17] <daftykins> Guest27869: we all know the topic, you don't need to paste it :)
[00:17] <truexfan81> daftykins: well in the case of the vm that i created just for this test...i'm going to attempt it, the results of that will determine what i do with my netbook
[00:18] <OerHeks> anon_ a.k.a. Guest27869 really, did you read it?
[00:19] <waressearcher2> what range of port numbers ubuntu chooses for its outgoing connections ? is it 1024-65535 ?
[00:20] <daftykins> 1-1024 are standard IANA ports, all non-standard assignments must be outside that range
[00:20] <daftykins> that's true of all OSs with TCP/IP, nothing specific to Ubuntu.
[00:22] <n8s> is it safe to install KDE over ubuntu 15.10?
[00:22] <n8s> (and how should i do it)
[00:22] <daftykins> just get kubuntu instead
[00:22] <daftykins> save some time
[00:23] <Ben64> or can sudo apt-get install plasma-desktop
[00:23] <truexfan81> uhh not sure but i think it may be trying to go straight to 15.10 lol is the 15.10 name vivid?
[00:23] <Ben64> 15.10 = wily
[00:23] <daftykins> no 15.04 = vivid
[00:23] <n8s> i was wondering if KDE would be more adequate for me
[00:23] <Ben64> n8s: really comes down to preference
[00:23] <daftykins> n8s: so grab it, throw it on a flash drive and boot it for a test run.
[00:23] <truexfan81> ok so its going from 14.04 to 15.04 lol
[00:23] <daftykins> truexfan81: yeah i thought you were familiar with the process and was going to bypass that
[00:24] <truexfan81> daftykins: lol nope
[00:24] <n8s> daftykins, yeah, that sounds safer... i just thought that maybe it wasnt as dangerous as it sounds
[00:24] <Ben64> truexfan81: why upgrade from LTS?
[00:24] <truexfan81> daftykins: i aborted it
[00:25] <daftykins> n8s: you have to consider the unjust load on the package repos, essentially. why waste their time downloading all those packages when you can get it at source :) know that KDE is a pretty heavy DE though
[00:27] <truexfan81> daftykins: i guess thats something i'll have to learn...unless the channel bot has the info?
[00:28] <bprompt> n8s: what do you mean by "adequate"?
[00:28] <daftykins> truexfan81: it wouldn't provide advice on how to bypass standard procedures, no :)
[00:28] <n8s> daftykins, considering i have a radeon, should i go with kubuntu 14.04 or 15.10?
[00:28] <daftykins> "here's how to hose your system"
[00:28] <daftykins> n8s: my last advice was to wait for 14.04.4 to drop
[00:28] <OerHeks> n8s, wait for the ati fix in 15.10 ..
[00:29] <n8s> daftykins, i know, i meant for testing purposes
[00:29] <daftykins> OerHeks: hmm there's a non-fglrx fix going in?
[00:30] <OerHeks> You can always test the opendriver
[00:30] <n8s> bprompt, not in a technical pov
[00:31] <OerHeks> daftykins, fix is ready, but not released https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/1493888
[00:31] <n8s> OerHeks, oh, nice, that sounds promising
[00:31] <daftykins> ah that's fglrx though, proprietary not open
[00:32] <n8s> well, bed time for me guys
[00:32] <n8s> thanks for the help
[00:33] <truexfan81> daftykins: i think i'm going to have to terminate this experiment cause google is not being my friend today
[00:36] <truexfan81> only thing i can think of is to set it to use the 14.10 repos and use apt-get to do it
[00:37] <OerHeks> truexfan81, some time ago i gave you the hint to use old-versions trick, as described in !eolupgrade to bypass 14.10 which is EOL, = dead
[00:37] <daftykins> yeah the debian release change method, which is definitely the kind of thing we say won't work
[00:37] <OerHeks> !eolupgrade
[00:38] <truexfan81> OerHeks: i misunderstood sorry, i thought i was meant to use that after going to 14.10 lol
[00:39] <OerHeks> :-)
[00:40] <the_count> Hey, I need help enabling two finger right clich and scroll on my Sn=ynaptics touchpad, it was working when i first installed Ubuntu, but it stopped a couple months ago
[00:41] <OerHeks> the_count, on what ubuntu version?
[00:41] <the_count> OerHeks: Ubuntu 14.04.2or3 LTS
[00:42] <brum> Linux Mint
[00:42] <brum> Clement Lefebvre has announced the availability of a new beta release for the Linux Mint distribution. The new version, Linux Mint 17.3 Beta, is based on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and contains mostly bug fixes and performance enhancements. The Driver Manager now reports installation errors and indicates whether available drivers are open source or not. The Update Manager attempts to locate fast mirrors to improve download times and multi-monitor
[00:42] <brum> support has been improved for the MATE desktop. It is also now possible to switch window managers on the fly from the MATE desktop. "In preparation for Linux Mint 17.3, a lot of work went into MATE 1.12. Most of the papercut issues identified in Linux Mint 17.2 were fixed and some of the new features implemented in Cinnamon were ported to MATE. The team focused on many little yet important issues which are key for a comfortable user exper
[00:42] <brum> ience. MATE is now using the same `presence' interface as GNOME and Cinnamon. This means it now supports a very wide range of applications." The release notes for the beta are available in two separate posts for the Cinnamon and MATE editions. Downloads (pkglist): linuxmint-17.3-cinnamon-64bit-beta.iso (1,508MB, torrent, release notes), linuxmint-17.3-mate-64bit-beta.iso (1,600MB, torrent, release notes).
[00:42] <herrkin> hi, people I still have a problem with swap
[00:42] <brum> chupa ae?
[00:42] <herrkin> sometimes it mounts, most it doesnt
[00:43] <Acerio> Testing...
[00:43] <k1l_> !mint | brum
[00:43] <Acerio> Sorry, bad Internet today!
[00:43] <herrkin> sometimes it seems to be good but then ubuntu base updates comes and it becomes weird again
[00:44] <OerHeks> brum, we don't need to know, mint is slow.
[00:45] <HackerII> heh, i just tried uumate 15.10, its killer fast and darn cool.
[00:46] <truexfan81> not gonna work lol
[00:46] <truexfan81> W: Failed to fetch http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/Utopic-backports/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found
[00:46] <Bashing-om> the_count: 'dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-synaptics ' is the input driver installed ?
[00:47] <Ben64> truexfan81: what are you trying to accomplish, and why
[00:47] <truexfan81> Ben64: i created a vm i want to see if i personally can succeed at upgrading my way from 14.04 lts to 15.10
[00:47] <the_count> bashing-om: It looks like it although I may be misreading it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13337409/
[00:48] <daftykins> truexfan81: oh depending on the model, fwiw non-LTS might end up just making it run even worse
[00:48] <Ben64> truexfan81: why? you can use the enablement stack to get a newer kernel and xorg
[00:48] <OerHeks> truexfan81, i guess you ran updates, but this *is* needed > sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:49] <truexfan81> OerHeks: after changing the repos i did apt-get update
[00:49] <Bashing-om> the_count: Well so much for that thought, it is installed and is the correct version .
[00:49] <truexfan81> and i got that error for all 4 repos
[00:49] <truexfan81> i think i see the issue, easy fix
[00:50] <linuxmint> Hello, anyone able to help with a printer? I managed to uninstall and reinstall the package.
[00:50] <linuxmint> I checked the logs which says Broken pipe.
[00:50] <linuxmint> http://dpaste.com/2C99HNQ
[00:50] <Ben64> linuxmint: mint isn't supported here. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[00:50] <linuxmint> k
[00:50] <linuxmint> Ben64: what if I install Ubuntu? Think I could receive help to make the printer work?
[00:51] <truexfan81> OerHeks: yep my fault needed to be "utopic" instead of "Utopic"
[00:51] <OerHeks> truexfan81, good job to spot that, i didn't ...
[00:51] <the_count> Bashing-om: Yeah, not really sure what the problem is... For some reason it thinks it isn't allowed to work. See, as I have a Lenovo yoga 2 Pro, I had to make some synaptics configurations, it seems like about a month and a half or two months after that, it died... I guess it could be the issue, but I have changed it back and forth serveral times, doesn't seem to do anyhting
[00:52] <truexfan81> upgrade proceeding
[00:52] <Ben64> linuxmint: maybe
[00:52] <linuxmint> Ben64: thanks, sound promising :)
[00:54] <Bashing-om> the_count: Yeah, I do recall we got it workiong, but as I have advised, I do not have the experience with a touchpad to assist in troubleshooting this issue .
[00:54] <truexfan81> OerHeks: now since i'm going to the eol one, i'm guessing i want to skip the "do-release-upgrade" step until after i reboot it
[00:55] <OerHeks> truexfan81, hmmm yes, you might get a new kernel what needs that.
[00:55] <the_count> Bashing-om: Yup... I'm not sure where to goo look elsewhere either
[00:56] <truexfan81> OerHeks: so just apt-get upgrade && dist-upgrade and then reboot and run do-release-upgrade? that simple?
[00:56] <daftykins> and then again :>
[00:57] <OerHeks> truexfan81, log time i did this myself, but yes, with a new kernel you would need to reboot before do-release-upgrade
[00:57] <truexfan81> OerHeks: kk ty
[00:57] <OerHeks> log-long ... i want a new KB for xmas
[00:58] <truexfan81> rofl
[00:59] <Kadsh> i+kash
[01:03] <the_count> If any of you like clever IRC bots, check out #bolt-cms bot, github here, https://github.com/GawainLynch/bolt-ircbot
[01:03] <the_count> It is very amusing
[01:04] <the_count> my bad, #boltcms
[01:05] <inteus> the_count: please don't spam in here
[01:05] <the_count> Ok
[01:05] <daftykins> the_count: don't link to off topic stuff in future thanks
[01:06] <beatshackus> hi
[01:06] <the_count> daftykins, inteus: Tell me you never talk to each other in here...
[01:07] <inteus> sure, when it's on topic
[01:07] <daftykins> the_count: this is a support chanel, there are other channels for non-support talk.
[01:07] <daftykins> *channel
[01:07] <daftykins> !ot | the_count
[01:08] <the_count> right
[01:08] <the_count> !synaptics | the_count
[01:09] <rightarmfast> hi how to make a newly created ext4 partition accessible, readable, writable by all users and all Linux distros that i install in future
[01:09] <Kadsh> Hi
[01:10] <daftykins> rightarmfast: edit /etc/fstab to auto mount it to somewhere sensible such as /media/mountpointname
[01:10] <daftykins> use a UUID, generated by "sudo blkid"
[01:11] <rightarmfast> as like media/username/uuid?
[01:11] <jophish> I just updated to 15.10 and when I use linux 4.2 I can't boot (unable to mount root fs)
[01:11] <rightarmfast> i have tried sudo chmod 777 cmmand
[01:11] <rightarmfast> doesnt seem to help
[01:12] <jophish> The previous kernel version works however 3.something
[01:12] <jophish> What's up?
[01:12] <daftykins> jophish: possibly ran out of space when it installed, if your /boot is on a separate partition?
[01:13] <daftykins> rightarmfast: no, and never do that - 777 is not safe
[01:13] <daftykins> rightarmfast: no you could just call it /media/myotherdisk ; but you use the UUID of that partition within /etc/fstab
[01:13] <the_count> daftykins: What is the chmod of preference, I have never been sure about that
[01:14] <rightarmfast> then what should i do daftykins. gnome disk utility makes drive accessible only to the currrent username
[01:14] <daftykins> the_count: it doesn't work that way, permissions are relevant to a given situation
[01:14] <the_count> daftykins: right, say, a general purpose webserver
[01:14] <daftykins> rightarmfast: like i said above, you need to use a text editor to edit /etc/fstab to setup the permanent auto at-boot mount of this new disk
[01:14] <Lewoco_> In 15.04, how do I permanently disable pulseaudio? Everytime I kill it it just restarts...
[01:14] <the_count> daftykins: Although even then
[01:14] <whoknows_> whats the best way to import a openvpn profile .ovpn i click import saved vpn configuration and it offers no option to save after entering username and password
[01:14] <daftykins> rightarmfast: so open a terminal, "sudo nano /etc/fstab"
[01:15] <jophish> daftykins: nope, /boot is on a partition with plenty of space
[01:15] <whoknows_> whats the best way to import a openvpn profile .ovpn i click import saved vpn configuration and it offers no option to save after entering username and password ubuntu 14.04
[01:16] <daftykins> jophish: ok, can you show a "dpkg -l | grep linux- | nc termbin.com 9999"
[01:16] <daftykins> whoknows_: do not repeat yourself seconds apart.
[01:17] <jophish> https://termbin.com/3x7m
[01:18] <the_count> Bashing-om: Do you know anything about reenabling synclient drivers, any 'synclient (options)' command returns 'Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?
[01:18] <jophish> ah, there is a small partition (100MB) with the boot,diag flags set
[01:18] <daftykins> jophish: i can only suggest a purge reinstall, do you have a RAID setup at all?
[01:19] <jophish> daftykins: no raid
[01:19] <jophish> daftykins: reinstall which package?
[01:19] <Bashing-om> the_count: Not off the top of my head. lemme see what I can come up with .
[01:19] <the_count> Bashing-om: Ok
[01:20] <daftykins> jophish: sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get purge linux-image-extra-4.2.0-18-generic linux-image-4.2.0-18-generic
[01:20] <daftykins> jophish: then sudo apt dist-upgrade
[01:20] <django_> Hey all
[01:20] <django_> ubuntu takes forever to log out
[01:21] <django_> daftykins: hey remember i was trying to change the interface earlier today
[01:21] <django_> i didnt get to logging out i got busy lol
[01:21] <truexfan81> what is brltty and do i need it? its breaking my upgrade process
[01:21] <daftykins> django_: no wonder you went quiet
[01:21] <django_> but i just logged out and 1) it takes a while like usual 2) i didnt see the interface to switch
[01:21] <django_> yes im sorry :(
[01:21] <django_> so much crap to learn
[01:21] <django_> and do
[01:21] <Bashing-om> the_count: Does the system see it ' xinput list ' ?
[01:21] <jophish> daftykins: I'll give it a try, thanks!
[01:21] <rightarmfast> daftykins what do i have to do next?
[01:22] <the_count> Bashing-om: Yes
[01:22] <daftykins> rightarmfast: did you create an entry within that file to mount your new partition?
[01:22] <the_count> Bashing-om: And 'sees' the touchpad
[01:22] <truexfan81> anyone?
[01:23] <Lewoco_> In 15.04, how do I permanently disable pulseaudio?
[01:24] <daftykins> truexfan81: seeing a pastebin would make more sense i think.
[01:25] <Bashing-om> the_count: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad ; where do you fail at ?
[01:26] <truexfan81> http://pastebin.com/xGax2A2s
[01:26] <the_count> Bashing-om: I have been looking over that page, nothing is out of the ordinary there that I can see
[01:27] <daftykins> truexfan81: appears to be software for a blind user and braille
[01:28] <daftykins> truexfan81: just "sudo dpkg -r brltty && sudo apt-get -f install" to move on
[01:28] <truexfan81> i was about to say that lol
[01:29] <the_count> Bashing-om: See, the only thing there which is in the same margin is things like this with focaltech touchpads, http://askubuntu.com/questions/644411/couldnt-find-synaptics-properties-no-synaptics-driver-loaded
[01:30] <truexfan81> daftykins: funny enough i don't see a kernel upgrade in the dist-upgrade
[01:30] <truexfan81> so i guess 14.04 and 14.10 used the same kernel?
[01:31] <daftykins> truexfan81: what are you meaning by dist-upgrade? dist-upgrade doesn't mean 14.04 -> 14.10
[01:31] <waressearcher2> why is there entire separate distributive Kubuntu ? can they come up with some script that just replaces GNOME with Kubuntu ? or installs Kubuntu in addition to GNOME ?
[01:31] <daftykins> !distupgrade
[01:31] <daftykins> waressearcher2: because installing one thing when you wanted the other in the first place is a waste of time, bandwidth and repository load.
[01:31] <truexfan81> daftykins: i changed all the repos to the 14.10 am doing apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:32] <daftykins> yeah ok, but note i didn't say to run that
[01:32] <truexfan81> daftykins: i know
[01:32] <waressearcher2> daftykins: but its like reinstalling entire distribution if you just all of a sudden want to use KDE for a bit
[01:33] <truexfan81> daftykins: hopefully it will boot up in 14.10 after and then i can "do-release-upgrade" it to 15.04
[01:33] <daftykins> waressearcher2: no... you just install 'kubuntu-desktop' or the KDE packages, if you look it up.
[01:33] <the_count> Bashing-om: From what I am reading, synclient should be working, not sure of its roots
[01:33] <daftykins> i think someone said plasma-desktop
[01:33] <Ant-Racism> Hello!
[01:33] <daftykins> truexfan81: well yeah - and it should move to a 3.16 kernel, but then it doesn't even matter since you're not stopping :)
[01:34] <truexfan81> daftykins: maybe thats why lol i think 10.14.3 got a 3.19 kernel
[01:34] <truexfan81> err oops
[01:34] <UbuN2> hello guys is there a channel for ubuntu mobile phones ?
[01:34] <truexfan81> 14.04.3
[01:35] <daftykins> truexfan81: yeah, because it contains the vivid HWE stack already
[01:35] <truexfan81> kk
[01:35] <daftykins> UbuN2: #ubuntu-touch
[01:35] <UbuN2> thank you sir .
[01:35] <truexfan81> daftykins: that would explain why no kernel upgrade appears then
[01:35] <daftykins> truexfan81: er what? it still gets updates
[01:36] <Bashing-om> the_count: Not a proponent of either of the options given in the link . If you enable debugging in the xorg file . do you get any hints ?
[01:36] <the_count> Bashing-om: Let me try
[01:36] <truexfan81> daftykins: everything except the kernel
[01:37] <daftykins> truexfan81: oh well.
[01:37] <daftykins> truexfan81: if it were up to me i'd have taken that netbook and disposed of it :)
[01:38] <truexfan81> daftykins: and why do i need libqt5 stuff when my only installed DE is unity?
[01:38] <daftykins> truexfan81: i'm sorry, too many questions.
[01:38] * daftykins goes on a break
[01:38] <truexfan81> lol
[01:38] <_Akuma> Hello Guys.
[01:38] <daftykins> just get the upgrades done if you insist on your current experiment ;)
[01:38] * truexfan81 waits 45minutes for it to download all the qt5 stuff
[01:39] <daftykins> i'll say it one more time so it's definitely clear - you should leave the thing on LTS.
[01:40] <_Akuma> I From Brazil. I Came to know new about the Islamic Estate
[01:40] <Acerio> Hey guys.
[01:41] <daftykins> _Akuma: then you got lost, ubuntu support only here. go elsewhere please.
[01:42] <laughingtiger> _Akuma: join ##politics
[01:42] <_Akuma> Thanks.
[01:43] <laughingtiger> no problem
[01:50] <the_count> Bashing-om: Logging out to see what happens
[01:56] <the_count> BAshing-om: Restarted
[01:59] <Bashing-om> the_count: ' synclient -m 100 ' ?
[02:00] <the_count> Bashing-om: It doesn't recognize the command
[02:00] <the_count> BAshing-om: It says invalid option
[02:00] <alt_> Рш
[02:00] <alt_> hi
[02:00] <alt_> anyone here&
[02:01] <alt_> ?
[02:01] <daftykins> yes ask a question and stop pressing enter please, you're spamming us.
[02:02] <Bashing-om> the_count: Does the file /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/touchpad_enabled exist ?
[02:02] <the_count> Bashing-om: no, it does now
[02:02] <the_count> Bashing-om: no, it does not**
[02:04] <Bashing-om> the_count: Worth considering " gconftool-2 --set --type boolean /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/touchpad_enabled true " . Maybe see if the file gets generated ??
[02:04] <the_count> Bashing-om: Still no
[02:05] <the_count> BAshing-om: The command does not disable the touchpad either
[02:06] <Bashing-om> the_count: Yuk, Like I say, I do not know ... but we can poke at it .. any return ' sudo trackpad show ' ?
[02:07] <the_count> Bashing-om: **poke a stick at it, "command trackpad not found."
[02:13] <Bashing-om> the_count: ' xinput list ' does it come back with " ADB mouse", then your touchpad is old.
[02:15] <the_count> Bashing-om: My laptop was manufactured in 2014ish, the touchpad is not old, returns the standard PS/2 Synaptics Touchpad
[02:16] <Bashing-om> the_count: Back to the drawing board .. stand by . Lemme see what else I can come up with .. not making a lot of sense right now, huh ?
[02:17] <the_count> Bashing-om: Right, I feel the same. It seems like others do not have this problem like I do looking at forums/etc... Or, if they do, it is because they have a different brand of touchpad
[02:20] <Guest18988> e ai blz cara
[02:20] <Bashing-om> the_count: Do you have the correct driver installed ' uname -r ' .. looks like it do matter what kernel is installed .
[02:20] <the_count> Bashing-om: That is an interesting point to make, i could try booting into an older kernel and see what happens... 3.19.0-33-generic is current
[02:21] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Choosing the "recommended" driver from the driver list, enabling "triplebuffer" in xorg.conf, and rebooting REFUSES to fix my tearing issues. What can I do?
[02:21] <Bashing-om> the_count: Uh Huh ! see: ' apt-cache search synclient ' .
[02:22] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Hi. Are you still here?
[02:23] <the_count> Bashing-om: Tell me where you are reading from at some point here so I can see what is going on, because this is interesting, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13339130/
[02:23] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: i saw some of this earlier, what's your setup? "lspci | nc termbin.com 9999" would be handy
[02:23] <daftykins> note that's an example of sharing something that isn't private ;)
[02:24] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: http://fpaste.org/292144/14478998/
[02:24] <VictoriaXOXO> :)
[02:24] <daftykins> that's not running what i mentioned :P
[02:24] <daftykins> why are you using a fedora paste site...
[02:24] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: But isn't termbin just another paste option?
[02:25] <the_count> daftykins: lol
[02:25] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Because I always choose to delete the text after 30 minutes.
[02:25] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Can termbin do the same thing?
[02:25] * daftykins wonders if this is a case where someone uses another distro and lies to us
[02:25] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: No! I can screenshot my bookmarks folder of paste sites. :D
[02:26] <daftykins> i think you've been in with other nicks
[02:26] <VictoriaXOXO> Trust me. Just a personal preference.
[02:26] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Dude. You don't HAVE to help me, but I would really like if you did.
[02:26] <daftykins> so where and how does this tearing exhibit itself?
[02:26] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Scrolling up and down in Firefox and while watching videos/movies in VLC.
[02:26] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: i have no idea why you just said that, it's a volunteer run channel - i know what i do and don't have to do
[02:27] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Like a horizontal distorted line you know?
[02:27] <daftykins> yes i know what tearing is
[02:27] <the_count> daftykins: this keeps getting better and better, another screenshot
[02:27] <daftykins> the_count: what?
[02:28] <Bashing-om> the_count: Well, the "search' shows we want to match the driver version to the kernel, and the 3.19 series kernels is vivid. IF this were me I would purge the present touchpad driver and install " xserver-xorg-input-synaptics-lts-vivid " . What ya think ?
[02:28] <the_count> daftykins, you're comedy
[02:28] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Any idea of what the next logical step would be?
[02:28] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: which driver is installed and which DE?
[02:28] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Let me check the driver.
[02:28] <the_count> Bashing-om: Doesn't hurt me... I'm fully backed up
[02:28] <daftykins> you don't need to tell me that part, just the answer
[02:29] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Well, most people are really inpatient. :P "nividia-352 (recommended)" and MATE.
[02:29] <the_count> Abshing-om: I think
[02:29] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: And the longer name is "352.63-0ubuntu0.14.04.1"
[02:30] <the_count> Bashing-om: So, how do we tell the present driver?
[02:30] <daftykins> likely MATE is the issue there; i have no advice for you but to try an older driver
[02:30] <daftykins> and also make sure you have no xorg.conf at all
[02:30] <anheru> u wot mate
[02:30] <daftykins> anheru: no thanks
[02:31] <Bashing-om> the_count: Pay attention .. We already know " xserver-xorg-input-synaptics " / So how about ' sudo apt-get purge xserver-xorg-input-synaptics ; sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics-lts-vivid ' . Reboot and let's see what works .
[02:32] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Wait. Why no xorg.conf?
[02:32] <the_count> Bashing-om: Sounds good to me
[02:32] <LUKKA> HELP ME PLEASE
[02:32] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: because it's been auto detect for years; no need to have one.
[02:33] <Bashing-om> the_count: Hey, sounds reasonable to me .. but I was wrong once before .
[02:33] <daftykins> LUKKA: no caps - and ask the question with detail on one line
[02:33] <the_count> Bashing-om: Lucky for you I'm not holding grudges... lol
[02:33] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: But... like 3 people earlier told me to put this line in xorg.conf earlier. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13339359/
[02:34] <Bashing-om> the_count: Careful now .. I am a Arkansas Ridge Runner, my kin folk might take exception .
[02:34] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: i know what you were told. now... here in the present, you can try an older driver
[02:34] <the_count> Bashing-om: I think we're getting somewhere based on past experiences, E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[02:34] <the_count> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13339375/
[02:35] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Okay. Just tell me this. Should I delete ALL these files? "xorg.conf" "xorg.conf.backup" "xorg.conf.nvidia-xconfig-original"
[02:35] <daftykins> no
[02:35] <the_count> Bashing-om: I got to go eat supper, be back in about 10 to 15 to 20 minutes
[02:36] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: One of them? Two of them? Any of them?
[02:36] <Bashing-om> the_count: Now was that not the problem we solved last time ?
[02:36] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: what did i say to begin with? you have a habit of making volunteers go around in circles after the information has already been shared
[02:37] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Can you please just tell me again?
[02:37] <daftykins> read up.
So... any progress with the tearing?
[02:37] <the_count> Bashing-om: I think not, but maybe... Anyways, i have to be going, talk to you in a bit
[02:37] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Okay. You don't want to help. Thanks anyway. :/
[02:37] <VictoriaXOXO> harduim: No. Still tearing after all I've tried. :(
[02:38] <daftykins> gave you the answer, you're refusing to find it - your problem i'm afraid
[02:38] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Okay. Thanks.
[02:38] <the_count> Bashing-om: One more thing before I go, I have copied out chats from before, so I will see if it is the same
[02:39] <mint_> can someone help me with partitoining?
[02:41] <Bashing-om> the_count: :) Way to go ... keeping notes is a good thing .
[02:41] <daftykins> mint_: not if you're running Mint
[02:41] <anheru> :D
[02:41] <iBurley> Hey guys. Anybody know if you can install proprietary AMD drivers through the GUI tool in 15.10 yet without it breaking?
=/ Thx for the feedback. I'm also interested in that
[02:42] <Acerio> Ubuntu 14.10 cannot find the package packaging-dev, though the MOTU wiki for contributing says to install it. The package cannot be found. What do I do?
[02:43] <L0> iBurley: you can list down available drivers with 'ubuntu-drivers list' or if you're feeling luck, do 'ubuntu-drivers autoinstall'
[02:43] <mint_> can someone help me with partitoining?
[02:43] <VictoriaXOXO> harduim: Any idea where I would put "Option "metamodes" "nvidia-auto-select +0+0 { ForceFullCompositionPipeline = On }""?
[02:44] <L0> mint_: what are you using to partition? gparted? fdisk?
[02:44] <iBurley> L0, well it installs through the GUI, and the install goes fine, but on reboot it won't boot. It was in the 15.10 release notes, AMD just didn't include support for kernel 4.2 before the release.
[02:45] <iBurley> L0, but the fix was in staging or proposed or something, just not sure if anybody knows if it's in the official repos yet.
[02:45] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: How do I know which "xorg.conf" file my NVIDIA card/settings is currently using?
[02:45] <L0> iBurley: my experiences with nVidia drivers told me that i shouldn't install driver from the nvidia website.
[02:45] <daftykins> 1) nvidia driver versions, try them 2) disable the Xorg backing store - http://askubuntu.com/questions/450593/how-do-i-eliminate-screen-tearing-on-14-04-and-xbmc-with-nvidia-331 3) http://www.howtoeverything.net/linux/issues/finally-no-more-tearing-anywhere-mate-desktop-and-compiz has some suggestions;
[02:45] <daftykins> for tearing ^
[02:45] <L0> iBurley: I use those things in Ubuntu repository instead of installing official stuff
[02:46] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Okay. Time to read.
[02:46] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: the idea you just posted, don't do it - it won't help. only /etc/X11/xorg.conf is read - but you don't need one like i already said, so delete it, like i already said. this time don't make me repeat myself :)
[02:47] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: It's from here if you want to read it -- https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA#Avoid_tearing_with_GeForce_500.2F600.2F700.2F900_series_cards
[02:47] <mint_> can someone help me with partitoining?
[02:48] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: no i don't
[02:48] <anheru> should i upgrade ubuntu to newest version? is it much more unstable than 14.04 lts?
[02:48] <daftykins> mint_: you have been replied to, so answer their questions
I dont, but this guy seams to http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/5/618456760271192326/?l=portuguese
[02:48] <daftykins> !mint | mint_
[02:48] <mint_> daftykins: would you be willing to help me with using gparted to partoin so i can install a second linux os alongside my first one?
[02:49] <daftykins> mint_: resize your install to make some space --> install
Before trying anything "cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bkp" ;D
[02:49] <nhyk> just a quick question: I installed Ubuntu with the default settings+Encryption like 10 days ago and my /boot is already 50% full. Do i run into trouble into the future after upgrading etc?
[02:50] <VictoriaXOXO> harduim: Dude. I don't get a notification when you type my name like that.
[02:50] <Ben64> nhyk: yes you can. I'd suggest running "sudo apt-get autoremove" after each update
[02:50] <Nautilus_> looking at my old sudoers file where I added a couple users, the users start with a '-' like '-myname ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL' ... what does the '-' signify?
[02:50] <harduim> VictoriaXOXO Sorry I'm new here
[02:50] <daftykins> most IRC clients support tab completion of nicknames
[02:51] <anheru> should i upgrade ubuntu to newest version? is it much more unstable than 14.04 lts?
[02:51] <harduim> daftykins, nice
[02:51] <mint_> daftykins: i have tried to use gparted to partitoin my ubuntu sectoin so that i can install another with it because in the install it has no optoin to install alongside and my problem is that when i try to resize the drive for ubuntu it wont let me click the resize button after changing the size in mb's
[02:51] <harduim> daftykins, Thx!
[02:51] <daftykins> anheru: stay on LTS.
[02:52] <daftykins> mint_: you need to do that from a live session ideally, don't resize from in the booted install
[02:52] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Okay, so I found where you told me to delete the xorg.conf file. But please tell me if those other two files are even needed? If they don't do anything, I'd like to clean up by deleting them.
[02:52] <anheru> daftykins: ok, thx
[02:52] <mint_> thats what i am on is a live sessoin
[02:52] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: they're kilobytes in size, total waste of time.
[02:52] <daftykins> mint_: of Mint? :P
[02:52] <mint_> daftykins: thats what i am on is a live sessoin
[02:53] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Grrrrrrr.
[02:53] <L0> mint_: check free space and primary parition count. It couldn't be more than 4
[02:53] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Still reading those two links.
[02:53] <Bashing-om> Acerio: 14.10 os EOL and the repository no longer exist as you knew it .
[02:54] <mint_> daftykins: yes of mint i am trying to install mint along side ubuntu but it wont let me click the button to aplly the changes i want even though the partitoin is not mounted
[02:54] <Acerio> Bashing-om: I figured. Upgrading to 15.04 now.
[02:55] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: "There are a couple of things not everybody notices, but once you've seen it, it just keeps annoying you." Some people don't notice tearing?! WHAT?! XD
[02:55] <daftykins> mint_: upload a screenshot of what you're doing, to imgur.com
[02:57] <Bashing-om> nhyk: No troule, so long as you keep a close eye on /boot . ' sudo apt-get autoremove' to remove old kernels .
[02:58] <cknox> is there a reason that /etc/resolv.conf points to 127.0.1.1 on desktop, but points to what DHCP told it to point to on server?
[02:58] <daftykins> cknox: dnsmasq and resolvconf since 12.04, yep
[02:58] <mint_> L0: i only have ubuntu installed at the moment and it looks like this... http://imgur.com/N2G4ONK
[02:58] <Bashing-om> Acerio: :) .
[02:59] <daftykins> mint_: oh dear encryption present, i would not attempt to resize that personally - very dangerous
[02:59] <mint_> daftykins: http://imgur.com/N2G4ONK
[02:59] <daftykins> mint_: backup and start again
[02:59] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Is there a terminal command to list the version of MATE I'm using, including what file manager, window manager, and so on?
[02:59] <cknox> daftykins: so how do I make ubuntu use my dns like my router tells it to?
[02:59] <daftykins> cknox: it already will be, check network manager since this is desktop ubuntu
[02:59] <mint_> ok so i cant have an encrypted drive?
[03:00] <daftykins> mint_: i just wouldn't attempt modifying it from its' present state.
[03:00] <daftykins> mint_: by the way, Mint is a mistake
[03:00] <mint_> ok so if i want two os's installed i have to start allover again?
[03:00] <inteus> mint_: use at your own risk: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions
[03:00] <mint_> why is mint so bad?
[03:01] <VictoriaXOXO> mint_: You are asking in the Ubuntu channel. XD
[03:01] <VictoriaXOXO> It's like asking Russia about USA or Syria about Israel.
[03:05] <mint_> oh ok but im not asking about mint just about the use of gparted which is a program for most linux os's not an os itself
[03:05] <cknox> daftykins: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bxv2soZoY3viYnhsYjhRTmdHdWM/view?usp=sharing
[03:07] <daftykins> cknox: can you use imgur if you're sharing an image please?
[03:07] <VictoriaXOXO> cknox: What piece of software is doing that checkered censorship?
[03:07] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Is there a terminal command to list the version of MATE I'm using, including what file manager, window manager, and so on?
[03:07] <cknox> I've also installed xfce instead of whatever the default is, how would I look in network manager on here?
[03:08] <GngrDr34dm4n> hello
[03:08] <GngrDr34dm4n> anyone up, i seem to have disabled every website installing peerblock
[03:08] <cknox> VictoriaXOXO: that's just me cutting the pieces out with gimp
[03:08] <VictoriaXOXO> cknox: Oh, nice.
[03:08] <GngrDr34dm4n> ive disabled every list stoped it , started it , rebooted, removed, reinstalled
[03:08] <daftykins> cknox: ah xfce, you could probably have done with sharing that tidbit
[03:08] <GngrDr34dm4n> firefox and chrome wont load squataroo
[03:08] <daftykins> cknox: ultimately what are you trying to achieve here? if this host works online, it obviously has functional DNS
[03:09] <cknox> http://imgur.com/mEMoM5r
[03:09] <GngrDr34dm4n> irc and a few things work but cant search online for help
[03:10] <cknox> daftykins: basically owncloud.mydomain.com is used for my owncloud server. However when I'm on my network the IP address is internal, and when I'm not the Ip should resolve to the external IP
[03:10] <Inumedia> Is this the right channel for asking for help? Or is there a specific support channel?
[03:10] <the_count> Bashing-om: I really can't stay tonight, we can finish resolving this tomorrow
[03:10] <the_count> Bashing-om: Thank you for your time tonight
[03:10] <inteus> Inumedia: yes, this is the Ubuntu support channel
[03:10] <Inumedia> Awesome.
[03:10] <daftykins> cknox: laptop?
[03:11] <Inumedia> I need to install a package that only has releases for a version of Ubuntu back (15.04), is there a way to force apt to think it's on that version or an alternative way to install it and its dependencies?
[03:11] <Inumedia> Er, specifically I'm trying to get cufflinks working on 15.10.
[03:12] <cknox> daftykins: yeah laptop
[03:12] <Inumedia> Or if someone could assist in getting libboost 1.55 installed, that would fix the issue too.
[03:12] <daftykins> cknox: and your router doesn't let you use it via your external IP when home, huh?
[03:13] <cknox> daftykins: that's correct. So I had to build a DNS server for home
[03:14] <daftykins> lol
[03:14] <cknox> although to be honest my laptop doesn't really leave the house much, but my phone does
[03:15] <daftykins> cknox: or you could've just entered the line into /etc/hosts when you're home to point the domain to the internal IP - or resolved NAT reflection on your router
[03:15] <Inumedia> cknox: Try adding multiple A names to point to both your WAN IP and the IP hosting your services?
[03:15] <Inumedia> Er, LAN IP hosting your services.
[03:15] <cknox> Inumedia: you mean on the external DNS server?
[03:15] <Inumedia> Yup
[03:15] <daftykins> Inumedia: so it'd have a one in two+ chance of working on every query? not very good
[03:16] <cknox> I don't think they'll let me since it's a dynamic dns record
[03:16] <Inumedia> It'd be a bit of a stretch, but it's a round-robbin approach.
[03:16] <daftykins> yeah that doesn't sound like the answer
[03:16] <Inumedia> daftykins: I believe it'll try both and the first to respond gets the connection
[03:16] <daftykins> i don't think DNS resolution works that way
[03:16] <Inumedia> Not sure, but it's worth try imo.
[03:16] <Inumedia> er, worth a try
[03:17] <daftykins> cknox: there's always ##networking - i know your original query was reconfiguring your host DNS, which can be done, but i think this task can be tackled a lot better
[03:18] <cknox> I thought this channel because this is the same setup we use at work with Windows clients and there's no issues
[03:18] <cknox> I can easily enough work around the issue by manually editing resolve.conf, but that doesn't survive a reboot
[03:19] <daftykins> that statement doesn't track for me - but yeah, NAT reflection is the issue here, setting up an entire DNS server internally to combat this would not be my approach
[03:19] <daftykins> you can just purge resolvconf then hardcode it.
[03:19] <daftykins> purge, reboot, edit, reboot - ensure it's still there
[03:20] <Ben64> or could put in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head
[03:20] <daftykins> that'd probably be the better idea :D
[03:26] <Geo> I'm writing a deployment script, and I need to add a command to the sudoers file via the script. How can I do this non-interactively? Is there a file somwhere I can echo to?
[03:28] <OerHeks> Geo, add a command or add a user with priveledge?
[03:28] * OerHeks is carefull with those funny hacks
[03:28] <daftykins> "echo blah | sudo tee /path/to/sudoers_file" ?
[03:29] <Inumedia> How do I make apt-get think it's on a different version of Ubuntu? I need to forcibly install a package from 15.04 and I'm on 15.10.
[03:30] <daftykins> Inumedia: i think you should just find a proper version in a PPA / compile from source
[03:30] <Geo> OerHeks: add a command
[03:30] <Inumedia> I've banged my head against the wall trying to compile from source, and I haven't found a PPA containing cufflinks or libboost 1.55 for 15.10.
[03:31] <OerHeks> Geo, add a command to sudoers, explain?
[03:31] <Ben64> Inumedia: yeah looks like you'd have to compile it and any dependencies
[03:31] <daftykins> Inumedia: maybe ask for help with the compile then
[03:32] <truexfan81> lol i hate that situation
[03:32] <Inumedia> Then I'll take another whack at compiling libboost from source and then come back.
[03:32] <truexfan81> when you have to compile the deps, often you find that the deps have deps that also have to be compiled
[03:32] <OerHeks> take a look @ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers
[03:32] <Ben64> Inumedia: alternatively, you could install 14.04
[03:33] <Inumedia> Ben64: I've considered just installing a different version of Ubuntu, but I'm hesitant as I'd also have to hack that in since I don't have physical access to the server atm.
[03:33] <lucas__> anybody here know how to reseat a modem on dell latitude d830 im getting a flashing CAPS/Scroll lock post code error and ive traced it back to that but not 100%sure how to fix this
[03:34] <Inumedia> lucas__: Reseat? Reseating is just generally unplugging and plugging it back in?
[03:34] <truexfan81> Inumedia: yeah best bet is to just keep compiling until you get it and its entire chain of deps installed and working
[03:35] <truexfan81> Inumedia: or just wait until you have physical access to the machine
[03:35] <daftykins> lucas__: ##hardware please, although you may use ubuntu that's not an OS query :)
[03:35] <Inumedia> truexfan81: Well, I forced the cufflinks install to pretend it worked with 15.10 and got the deb installed, but I'm missing the libboost dependencies.
[03:35] <Inumedia> I had it working a few weeks ago, but I removed it and can't remember how I did it :p
[03:35] <daftykins> *facepalm*
[03:36] <truexfan81> Inumedia: i suggest compile libboost and its deps then problem will be solved
[03:36] <Inumedia> Had to remove it, had to apt-get something and this was before I changed the deb to pretend it was 15.10 :D
[03:36] <Inumedia> truexfan81: Building now. :)
[03:37] <Inumedia> s/Building/Compiling/
[03:37] <truexfan81> oh you have a deb package for it? i wouldn't do that unless you can make deb packages of the deps like libboost
[03:37] <lucas__> Inumedia: so just pop this bad boy open and basically "unplug/plug in/ the wireless modem
[03:37] <Inumedia> I have a deb package for cufflinks, the source of this problem.
[03:38] <truexfan81> can you not compile cufflinks and make install it?
[03:38] <qianian> oh yay! I wasn't sure this client would work.
[03:38] <Inumedia> That requires me to first get libboost to compile and install properly, which is where the headache has been for the past few days :)
[03:38] <qianian> how's everyone?
[03:39] <asdopas> How do I find out what host my localhost is listening to?
[03:39] <truexfan81> Inumedia: well i wish you luck, i have to go to bed now, downside of living with others, i have to go to bed when they do
[03:39] <Inumedia> truexfan81: Haha, thanks, here's hoping this compile works.
[03:40] <truexfan81> Inumedia: just follow the dep chain
[03:40] <truexfan81> Inumedia: the configure script for libboost should tell you what all it needs
[03:40] <Inumedia> Yeah
[03:41] <Inumedia> They use some weird bootstrap and custom compile script instead of `./configure && make` like I'm used to.
[03:41] <Inumedia> But it seems to be satisfied with the installed pieces
[03:41] <asdopas> Do I use netstat?
[03:41] <Inumedia> asdopas: I don't understand the original question.
[03:42] <asdopas> On every machine there is a port on which localhost listens. Like 9090 or 22. How do I find mine?
[03:43] <asdopas> Did that make sense Inumedia?
[03:43] <daftykins> asdopas: you're not making any sense, but you're probably asking for the output of "netstat -tuln"
[03:43] <daftykins> that'll show what services are running and listening on given ports.
[03:43] <asdopas> Well then, what's the "proper" way of saying it? I'm not very tech literate.
[03:43] <Ghost_r00t> could anyone tell me what kernel version does xubuntu 14.04.2 and 14.04.3 use?
[03:44] <daftykins> asdopas: to be honest i don't know what you're after for sure, too vague
[03:44] <Ghost_r00t> how could I afind that out short of downloading it?
[03:44] <daftykins> Ghost_r00t: .2 media typically comes with the utopic HWE thus 3.16, .3 with the vivid HWE thus 3.19
[03:45] <OerHeks> xubuntu 14.04.2 is eol, so no need for that kernel
[03:45] <OerHeks> Ghost_r00t, why do you need that?
[03:45] <asdopas> localhost:631 is my cupswrapper driver homepage. localhost:53 gives me an UNSAFE_PORT error. When I try localhost with other numbers like 8080, I get a CONNECTION_REFUSED error. Networking is confusing.
[03:46] <daftykins> asdopas: not really, you can't just pick ports at random - you need to have something RUNNING there first :)
[03:46] <asdopas> Is that how it works?
[03:46] <asdopas> I didn't know.
[03:46] <daftykins> yes, services bind to ports
[03:46] <asdopas> I still want to investigate the UNSAFE_PORT error.
[03:47] <daftykins> you just don't use a browser to visit 53.
[03:47] <daftykins> but sure, look it up - it's all learning
[03:47] <OerHeks> asdopas, that port is in use, so it is unsafe to use it
[03:48] <Inumedia> asdopas: Per the unsafe port question, it sounds like you're using Chrome? http://superuser.com/questions/188058/which-ports-are-considered-unsafe-on-chrome
[03:48] <LUKKA> can anyone help me find where is the noobguide?
[03:49] <Nautilus_> I'm thinking I have an error in my notes, or is this correct?: "127.0.1.1 [email protected] myhostname" ... notice that ends with 1.1
[03:49] <daftykins> !manual | LUKKA
[03:49] <Ghost_r00t> OerHeks: the nouveau of reecent kernels past an certain kernel branch are faulty
[03:49] <Inumedia> Nautilus_: 127.0.1.1 is basically the same as 127.0.0.1
[03:50] <Nautilus_> oh really?
[03:50] * Nautilus_ should have mentioned he's editing the hosts file
[03:51] <docmur> If I ssh to one headless host with x11forwarding (-X), and from that server, ssh to another, how can I launch a X11 app? Do I need X11 on the middle server?
[03:52] <asdopas> While I'm here, I'll ask another question about localhosts. I developed an application on a website, whose callback URL is 127.0.0.1:65010. This application is linked to a Python script with the same callback URL. However, when I try to authorize the script with my user account, I get a 500 internal server error. What gives?
[03:52] <daftykins> docmur: might be able to SSH tunnel with one instance, then SSH -X straight to the target host with a second - doubt that's the ideal method but it might work :)
[03:53] <Inumedia> asdopas: 500 internal server error is when the server experiences an error processing the request
[03:53] <daftykins> asdopas: i think you belong in ##networking more
[03:53] <daftykins> these are all very basic and not ubuntu specific.
[03:54] <asdopas> Sorry.
[03:56] <Inumedia> Hm. I haven't been in this channel for years, is it always this busy this late at night?
[03:56] <daftykins> it's worldwide, this web
[03:57] <Inumedia> Yeah, that's true. :P
[03:58] <LUKKA> okay
[03:58] <LUKKA> thanks
[04:00] <waressearcher2> if host susceptible to blind icmp-reset attack, why do they call it vulnerability ? and why should it be patched ? I mean its a noraml behaviour to response to this kind of ICMP packets
[04:04] <OerHeks> waressearcher2, what are you talking about, this old bug? http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2004-0790
[04:04] <OerHeks> get real, it is not normal behaviour.
[04:05] <waressearcher2> why are they considered vulnerability ?
[04:05] <intuxicated> Hi , I have LG 25UM65-P Ultra-Wide IPS Monitor, this monitor maximum resolution is 1080 × 2560 but i can only use 1920 x 1080 . its because of my VGA driver ? what can i do to have this resolution?
[04:07] <OerHeks> intuxicated, use the dvi or hdmi connection, and you are fine
[04:07] <OerHeks> http://www.lg.com/uk/monitors/lg-25UM65-P
[04:08] <intuxicated> OerHeks, Im using dvi connection now
[04:08] <intuxicated> I mean currently
[04:09] <tomhardy> I have a 32gb usb stick, what can i format it with that will work for read/write in OSX, Windows and Linux
[04:09] <tomhardy> that can handle bigger than 4.x gb files?
[04:09] <Ben64> Internet13: what video card, what video card drivers, pastebin the output of "xrandr"
[04:09] <Ben64> tomhardy: if osx supports ntfs, ntfs
[04:10] <tomhardy> erm yeah... ok does ubuntu support write on ntfs?
[04:10] <Ben64> yes
[04:10] <OerHeks> yes, OOTB
[04:11] <maddawg4> lol
[04:11] <daftykins> Ben64 + tomhardy , OS X refuses to write to NTFS as standard - i'd recommend exFAT
[04:11] <maddawg4> yes
[04:11] <Ben64> daftykins: yeah idk about osx
[04:11] <daftykins> *nod*
[04:11] <maddawg4> what?
[04:11] <maddawg4> i write to NTFS in OS X
[04:11] <daftykins> it's not supported as standard
[04:12] <maddawg4> oh i guess i forgot i have tuxera
[04:12] <maddawg4> it can for sure read them tho
[04:12] <daftykins> yep
[04:13] <intuxicated> http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/image.php?id=a8d4525
[04:13] <intuxicated> this is my display setting
[04:14] <OerHeks> image not available bla bla. cannot copy followup address
[04:14] <daftykins> http://www.tiikoni.com/tis/view/?id=a8d4525
[04:15] <daftykins> intuxicated: did your DVI cable come with the LG?
[04:15] <Ben64> intuxicated: what video card, what video card drivers, pastebin the output of "xrandr"
[04:15] <OerHeks> paste on paste.ubuntu.com please
[04:15] <intuxicated> daftykins, no, I buy it by my self
[04:16] <daftykins> and you were sure to get a dual-link DVI cable yes?
[04:16] <anarkhos> Does Ubuntu work well with AMD A8-7200P?
[04:16] <intuxicated> daftykins, no Im not
[04:16] <daftykins> intuxicated: http://www.playtool.com/pages/dvicompat/sldldvi.jpg
[04:17] <intuxicated> Ben64, http://dpaste.com/0XCTABX
[04:17] <intuxicated> daftykins, which one i should have?
[04:17] <daftykins> the bottom one, dual link DVI
[04:18] <daftykins> intuxicated: er your paste says HDMI connected, are you using an HDMI to DVI adapter?
[04:18] <intuxicated> Im using DVI
[04:18] <intuxicated> and i cant use HDMI
[04:18] <intuxicated> my pc doesnt have HDMI port
[04:18] <daftykins> ok so check your cable against my image
[04:18] <intuxicated> ok
[04:18] <wadadli> How can I move a directory with files in it?
[04:19] <daftykins> mv /path /destination/
[04:19] <wadadli> mv keeps telling me direcotry not empty
[04:21] <intuxicated> daftykins, its like dl-dvi-d
[04:21] <daftykins> ok, so you need to tell us the graphics device and driver next
[04:21] <intuxicated> maybe my cable is no not good enough?
[04:21] <daftykins> is it a laptop or desktop?
[04:21] <intuxicated> pc
[04:21] <OerHeks> wadadli, use the -R option, recursive
[04:21] <intuxicated> desktop
[04:22] <daftykins> intuxicated: is it using onboard graphics only, or a card?
[04:22] <intuxicated> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[04:22] <OerHeks> so it moves folders in folders too.
[04:22] <daftykins> intuxicated: "grep model /proc/cpuinfo"
[04:22] <intuxicated> Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3240 CPU @ 3.40GHz
[04:23] * OerHeks wonders why mv has no -R option ....
[04:24] <OerHeks> wadadli, oh i get it, you need the '/' at the end > mv /fromPath/ /toPath/
[04:25] <daftykins> intuxicated: i think your ivybridge CPU is too old to drive that custom resolution
[04:26] <daftykins> intuxicated: you'll have to buy a graphics card if your PC can be upgraded with one, to drive that screen
[04:26] <daftykins> or use VGA if available, but that's a horrible solution :)
[04:27] <daftykins> the good news is a 30 GBP nvidia card can drive that :)
[04:27] <_28_ria> hello, something has've changed in the system (ubuntu 64 15.4), can't move or resize windows with the mouse. the mouse indicator changes, when I move to borders to resize, but click doesn't pass through to the window to resize or to move it.
[04:28] <_28_ria> How to fix it?
[04:30] <OerHeks> _28_ria, i have to drag and let go, no click at all with ALT + left mouse
[04:30] <defcon6> hello guys. i have an i5 processor with integrated intel graphics and and wondering if I upgrade to Ubuntu 15.10 if that version has the intel drivers for linux like the 15.04 version. graphics: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
[04:31] <OerHeks> defcon6, yes, intel is good supported.
[04:31] <defcon6> sweet
[04:31] <daftykins> that's the PCI device identifier and not a driver
[04:31] <daftykins> :)
[04:32] <mekhami> how did i ever use a computer before ubuntu+i3
[04:32] <mekhami> i'll never know
[04:32] <mekhami> my company forces me to use windows for menial red tape tasks and i wanna pull my hair out
[04:34] <daftykins> mekhami: chat -> #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[04:34] <_28_ria> OerHeks: I do see the borders and the header bar, I can click on them without alt, but the mouse click doesn't do anything on the borders and the header to move or resize them. Alt+mouse doesn't help either. Only the maximize/restore button works
[04:34] <_28_ria> OerHeks: I mean my windows are completley visible, not hidden behind the screen
[04:35] <OerHeks> _28_ria, i cannot resize windows if they are MAX. with that keys
[04:35] <_28_ria> The mouse click works, on everything else
[04:36] <Inumedia> Welp, I feel like a monster. Compiling failed to compile the libraries I needed, so I hopped on another server installed it all there through apt-get and then copied the .debs from the cache and forcibly installed them. :D
[04:38] <alain> Hello, what are you favorite CLI email client?
[04:40] <detrench> alain: wat
[04:40] <alain> Beside Alpine..
[04:41] <alain> email client commande line
[04:42] <detrench> _28_ria: disable it
[04:43] <detrench> It's a compiz issue _28_ria
[04:45] <artisanIndia> wazzup guys
[04:45] <jasonj8> Ubuntu keeps resetting my microphone volume. What do I do about this?
[04:46] <_28_ria> I've reset compiz settings from the working computer, (exported from one comp, imported in this), but it didn't help, maybe somebody can help, where in compiz I can look to fix that problem, because I am lost.
[04:48] <arooni> is it a problem that some of my files located in my wordpress install are owned by wp-user ?
[04:48] <arooni> i dont recall ever creating that user
[04:48] <root__> helo
[04:50] <arooni> nevermind ; i do now
[05:03] <delt> Hello
[05:03] <delt> just wondering, how do i tell which version of Qt is included with my system?
[05:03] <localuser-> Is it possible to get GL 4.4 support using the free AMD driver? It says its dependent on LLVM 3.7, is this trivial to change?
[05:12] <ki7mt> delt, If you have Qmake installed, simply type: qmake --version . that will render both the version of Qmake, and the QT version installed.
[05:12] <cluelessperson> hey all, I have a question. I've been using Deluge for quite awhile and today it just disappeared.
[05:12] <cluelessperson> So I go looking. The /home/deluge/.config/deluge/deluge_files are there /etc/init/deluged.conf is there, referencing /usr/bin/deluged which ISN'T
[05:12] <cluelessperson> then I check, it's not even installed
[05:13] <cluelessperson> what would cause this to just randomly uninstall?
[05:13] <delt> ki7mt: thanks.
[05:13] <ki7mt> delt, you can also use: qtchooser --list-versions
[05:33] <VictoriaXOXO> Awwww yisssss. The Arch Linux wiki solved my problem within a minute or two that the official Ubuntu support channel spent days on. No offense. :P
[05:33] <VictoriaXOXO> Those guys are nerds.
[05:33] <lotuspsychje> VictoriaXOXO: what was your issue
[05:34] <VictoriaXOXO> lotuspsychje: Black magic tearing.
[05:34] <VictoriaXOXO> But now it's GONE!
[05:34] <lotuspsychje> VictoriaXOXO: and you solved it how
[05:34] <VictoriaXOXO> lotuspsychje: A simple line in xorg.conf. :)
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> VictoriaXOXO: thats not how ubuntu works, you shouldt be editing xorg to get things straight
[05:35] <VictoriaXOXO> lotuspsychje: No, I know, but at this point I've given up.
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> VictoriaXOXO: wich driver do you have active?
[05:35] <VictoriaXOXO> Nothing else works.
[05:35] <VictoriaXOXO> lotuspsychje: 352.63 (recommended).
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> VictoriaXOXO: wich card chipset and ubuntu version?
[05:36] <VictoriaXOXO> lotuspsychje: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 and 14.04 LTS.
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> ok
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> VictoriaXOXO: have you tryed all drivers in your list?
[05:37] <VictoriaXOXO> lotuspsychje: I've tried 8394 different things, including all drivers, reading forum threads, blog posts, and whined in here.
[05:37] <VictoriaXOXO> Nothing else works.
[05:37] <VictoriaXOXO> So I'm happy with this for now.
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> VictoriaXOXO: tryed 15.10?
[05:38] <VictoriaXOXO> lotuspsychje: No, I'm not moving away from LTS.
[05:38] <VictoriaXOXO> lotuspsychje: Be right back.
[05:59] <uxfi> was there a user on here called Worm something earlier?
[05:59] <uxfi> anyone know?
[05:59] <uxfi> Wormdrink or worm something?
[06:00] <Latrodectus> uxfi: try whowas
[06:00] <uxfi> Latrodectus: can I jsut type in worm?
[06:00] <uxfi> hm
[06:00] <uxfi> I remember he was in here ugh
[06:00] <Latrodectus> uxfi: try #freenode
[06:00] <uxfi> ah ok
[06:00] <uxfi> ty
[06:01] <lotuspsychje> uxfi: you can also re-ask your question here right now
[06:01] <uxfi> oops
[06:01] <uxfi> what was that?
[06:02] <Latrodectus> !question | uxfi
[06:24] <nitish> how can I change permission of a folder with all its subfolders and containing items?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> !chmod | nitish
[06:25] <biglanky> chmod -R 755 /path/to/folder
[06:25] <nitish> biglanky: what -R represents?
[06:26] <biglanky> recursive, meaning it will descend into sub folders and apply permissions there as well
[06:28] <nitish> biglanky: thanks.. it worked.
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> biglanky: +1
[06:29] <biglanky> np
[06:38] <makarena> Hello. When I click "synchro" in Gnome Calendar under Ubuntu 15.10 nothing happens?
[06:46] <nitish> I have registered on freenode with another username but here showing is other. How can I switch account?
[06:46] <nitish> here showing is my default ubuntu username.
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> nitish: wich irc client?
[06:47] <nitish> lotuspychje: freenode
[06:47] <nitish> lotuspychje: here irssi
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> nitish: ask the #irssi guys
[06:49] <nitish> how can I connect to freenode server?
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> nitish: ask in #freenode
[06:50] <paez> hola
[06:50] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> !es | paez
[06:51] <paez> fah no ay nadie
[06:51] <eatingthenight> I am running cron directly, anyway I can pass the environment variables of the user running the cron to the scripts that cron is running?
[06:52] <paez> hello
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> paez: how can we help you?
[06:53] <nitish> paez: ask your question.
[06:59] <nitish> how can I logout?
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> !manual | nitish maybe start here
[07:01] <OerHeks> nitish, /exit
[07:01] <OerHeks> time to read some manual about irssi
[07:02] <OerHeks> http://www.andrews-corner.org/ubuntu/irssi.html
[07:11] <homesangsang> hello
[07:11] <sangsang> hello
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> homesangsang: welcome, what can we do for you?
[07:36] <eatingthenight> any command like envdir but only you can specify one file instead of a directory of files?
[07:40] <edoderoo> just put one file in that directory?
[07:53] <dionysus69> ok so I have a dev machine and production machine, I have an RSA key on dev machine and how do i login with ssh to production machine with with that key?
[07:55] <OerHeks> dionysus69, login trough SSH, then ssh-copy-id <username>@<host> # see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[07:56] <OerHeks> dionysus69, and some more important stuff, disable password ( after succesfull ssh key copying) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring
[07:58] <guite> Hi there :)
[07:59] <guite> Is there anyone here suffering as much as I do to get its nvidia GC working ? :)
[07:59] <texmex> Does anyone know if it is possible to watch podcast on SMPlayer,and if so how?
[08:00] <BREAK> Hello, Anyone know how to bypass the gmail mobile verification?
[08:01] <guite> The best I could get is the xorg error http://paste.ubuntu.com/13342433/
[08:01] <guite> couldn’t be able to find a solution on the internet
[08:01] <dionysus69> OerHeks: ok thanks ))
[08:06] <dionysus69> so if I do ssh-copy-id <username>@<host> while I am sshed from client to host, it will automatically add public rsa to the host?
[08:06] <nayKang> too many kernel: nfs: server not responding, still trying
[08:07] <OerHeks> dionysus69, yes
[08:07] <texmex> What's the best software to use for podcast?
[08:08] <BREAK> Hello, Anyone know how to bypass the gmail mobile verification?
[08:09] <dionysus69> OerHeks: also, I am using ip address of the host to connect with ssh, how can I use username@host instead? where do I set it?
[08:09] <OerHeks> dionysus69@<ip>
[08:09] <guite> If any of you have an ubuntu trusty with a working nvidia geforce 840m, I’d like to know if you had a specific configuration to apply for that :)
[08:10] <dionysus69> OerHeks: oh haha ok I didn't ask question correctly :) how do I map ip to some nickname like hosts file in windows :)
[08:10] <guite> internet didn’t help. This article looked promising but didn’t work at all for me http://askubuntu.com/questions/481007/every-reboot-alternatives-for-x86-64-linux-gnu-gl-conf-and-i386-linux-gnu-gl-con
[08:10] <TJ-> guite: Are you impling you have a problem with the same config? It's easier to actually describe your issue :)
[08:10] <texmex> Break this might help http://bit.ly/1QOSTpc
[08:11] <TJ-> dionysus69: using .ssh/config entries
[08:11] <OerHeks> dionysus69, not sure, i think you want an alias for that ip ?
[08:11] <TJ-> dionysus69: see "man ssh_config"
[08:11] <dionysus69> TJ-: hmm cool cool thanks and OerHeks you too :D
[08:11] <OerHeks> oh oke
[08:12] <guite> TJ-: Thanks for answering :) I have a black screen at boot if I set the nvidia card in nvidia-settings
[08:12] <guite> It can be black screen or sometimes, it switches back automatically to the intel graphic card
[08:12] <OerHeks> that nvidia geforce 840m should work with nvidia 337+ http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverresults.aspx/74888/en-us
[08:12] <TJ-> dionysus69: I have lots configured, but here's an example for github: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13342526/
[08:13] <guite> OerHeks: I use 352, seems to be the recommended driver for it…
[08:13] <TJ-> guite: OK, so this is an Optimus/nvidia-prime issue
[08:13] <guite> yes it is :)
[08:13] <guite> sorry it wasn’t clear
[08:14] <TJ-> guite: the first thing I'd recommend is ensuring you have the LTS Enablement kernel/Xorg stack installed
[08:14] <TJ-> !ltse | guite
[08:14] <dionysus69> ssh-copy-id <username>@<host> the host part should be the ip of the client? so if my dev machine is a laptop and I change ip allot this will be close to useless?
[08:15] <grtsq> exit
[08:15] <TJ-> dionysus69: right; which is why we prefer using DNS hostnames and dynamic/multicast-DNS. Ubuntu by default installs m-DNS client/server avahi so if all systems on the network are using m-DNS you may be OK
[08:16] <dionysus69> ugh :D
[08:17] <guite> TJ-: Didn’t finish to read yet but, is it a way to backport package from vivid ?
[08:17] <guite> TJ-: if so, maybe I should better upgrade to vivid, don’t you think ?
[08:18] <TJ-> dionysus69: It depends where you're using ssh with @<ip>. A one-off for ssh-copy-id is no big deal, configuring an alias in .ssh/config is better, but using a hostname that can always be resolved to the correct IP address is obviously preferable. If your dev machine (the laptop) is the client this won't matter - only if the target you're connecting to keeps changing its IP address.
[08:19] <TJ-> guite: No, its not backports as such, it's specific up to date hardware support for devices that were produced after the LTS was released.
[08:19] <TJ-> guite: it just so happens those packages come from later releases, which makes sense, but they're part of the main archive.
[08:20] <guite> TJ-: OK thanks ! Looks great
[08:20] <guite> Might not solve my problems but anyway, still gives me hope :)
[08:21] <TJ-> guite: most times it solves this exact issue
[08:21] <guite> \o/
[08:23] <winem_> morning, I'm running ubuntu 15.04 on my laptop and made updates yesterday evening. everything was fine until I shut the notebook down. now, when I start it, I see the login screen but some icons (settings for example) are missing but the options (Gnome, Default, Ubuntu, etc.) appears if I move the mouse over it... I see the background screen for a few seconds after login before it logs out again
[08:24] <winem_> and I had no chance to enter the grub menu (holding shift during boot is still correct?!) or enter a shell...
[08:24] <Kartagis> how come my dd destroyed partition is showing 647G occupied?
[08:24] <winem_> do you have any idea how to rescue the system?
[08:24] <TJ-> winem_: Shift is correct; as long as you hold it down early enough
[08:24] <winem_> TJ-, I use Ubuntu with encrypted disks + swap
[08:24] <TJ-> winem_: That sounds like you've been hit by a relatively common issue that seems to affect Unity
[08:24] <TJ-> winem_: Same here; changes nothing about boot :)
[08:25] <winem_> but the fallback to the login screen also happens when I login with Gnome
[08:25] <winem_> TJ-, did you solve the issue yet?
[08:25] <dionysus69> TJ-: ok thanks, my host wont be changing ip so problem solved yay xD
[08:26] <TJ-> winem_: I don't use Gnome/Unity, but the issues we've dealt with seem to involve moving the $HOME/.config directory to a backup to remove some little understood config problem. But, before looking at that, check the Xorg server's logs in case its a 'simple' GPU driver issue. /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[08:29] <TJ-> Kartagis: if you pastebin some actual command results to illustrate we may be able to tell you; right now we could tell you 'because the Cat sat on the keyboard' and it'd make as much sense as anything else :)
[08:30] <Kartagis> TJ-: http://termbin.com/gt8m
[08:30] <winem_> ok, let me test something
[08:31] <TJ-> Kartagis: looks like there's a valid file-system on /dev/sdb1
[08:33] <Kartagis> I used photorec to recover all my data but filenames are all messed up. can you recommend another solution?
[08:33] <Kartagis> filenames are something f293494.txt
[08:33] <winem_> TJ-, I'm unable to open any terminal or my lovely terminator. after login, I have about 10 seconds to do something and then the login screen appears again
[08:33] <TJ-> Kartagis: If the directory inodes were lost then no, photorec names files arbitrarily
[08:34] <TJ-> winem_: Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get a real console, log-in there, work from the shell
[08:34] <Kartagis> TJ-: any other tool?
[08:35] <TJ-> Kartagis: nope, if the superblocks were destroyed then short of manually locating and rebuilding the directory entries its not going to happen. Those entries were likely over-written
[08:35] <winem_> TJ-.... sorry... I'm so damn stupid... of course f1 to f7...
[08:35] <winem_> don't know how often I did it on servers but did not think on it regarding the current issue :D
[08:35] <TJ-> winem_: use 'pastebinit' to send logs etc.
[08:36] <TJ-> winem_: we all get tunnel vision at some point :)
[08:36] <winem_> thank you. I will try to solve the issue from the command line now :)
[08:37] <maxtimbo> yo, simple thing, i'm sure. but there is a little red triangle that says the update info is out of date. happens every once in a while after i update. Can't get rid of it sometimes. what's the deal?
[08:38] <maxtimbo> i surmise it's about outdated ppa's
[08:39] <norc> So. Why is add-apt-repository so hesistant to show me any error messages. I just spent the past hour trying to understand why I couldn't add a PPA, just to realize I have already added it.
[08:40] <TJ-> maxtimbo: usually due to not being able to fetch some package lists. Best to use the terminal shell and do "sudo apt update" and investigate the warnings, if any
[08:40] <norc> "Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:brightbox/ruby-ng'" is such a helpful error message. Tells me everything I need to know.... :(
[08:40] <TJ-> norc: maybe it expects the user to be more intelligent than it? :D
[08:40] <TJ-> norc: patches welcome, as always :p
[08:40] <maxtimbo> they are all 404 not founds, TJ-
[08:41] <TJ-> maxtimbo: sounds to me like that's an unsupported ubuntu release. what does "cat /etc/issue" report?
[08:41] <maxtimbo> Ubuntu 15.10 \n \l
[08:42] <norc> TJ-: Seriously though, sometimes you need to reinstall ca-certs, different times its a DNS issue, or your server time is not up to date, or your proxy returns an error...
[08:42] <norc> It's a guess game that forces me to strace into the application and have a packet sniffer running in the background...
[08:42] <maxtimbo> nah, it's a few outdated ppa's, TJ-
[08:42] <maxtimbo> i think i just need to scrap them
[08:43] <TJ-> norc: if you're having those kind of issues routinely there's something very wrong in the deployment
[08:44] <TJ-> norc: as the saying goes "PPAs are NOT supported" and for good reason
[08:44] <OerHeks> maxtimbo, paste the errors on paste.ubuntu.com and have a look
[08:45] <maxtimbo> OerHeks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13342793/
[08:45] <norc> TJ-: It's a fair point. Though the ca-cert issues I get routinely with apt can give me headaches thoug.
[08:46] <TJ-> norc: CA certs? That's an X509 issue, unrelated to anything apt does
[08:46] <norc> TJ-: Maybe I just happen to notice it more often than others because I have a few dozen boxes (albeit this is small in what some admins have)
[08:46] <OerHeks> maxtimbo, 1 this one has no wily candidates https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/ubuntu/java
[08:47] <TJ-> norc: if you're using PPAs then any issues there will be GPG keys, nothing to do with X509 CAs
[08:47] <OerHeks> this one too, https://launchpad.net/~mc3man/+archive/ubuntu/gstffmpeg-keep ( i tried that myself to get wma playing, no luck )
[08:47] <nonedead> have been looking for hours for a answer for my resolv.conf problem I have been having It clears itself the instant something is written to it
[08:48] <norc> TJ-: No I get these CA issues from time to time when installing standard packages with apt.
[08:48] <TJ-> nonedead: that's because /etc/resolv.conf is managed by resolvconf, and the user shouldn't touch it
[08:48] <OerHeks> maxtimbo, and the last one too, https://launchpad.net/~wallch/+archive/ubuntu/wallch-daily no candidates
[08:48] <nonedead> I do not have resolvconf installed
[08:48] <TJ-> norc: apt does NOT uses X509 or CAs; are you getting your terminology in a twist?
[08:48] <OerHeks> maxtimbo, remove them with ppa-purge, see the correct ppa name in the urls
[08:49] <maxtimbo> that's the command. was having trouble recalling it. thanks OerHeks
[08:49] <TJ-> nonedead: so a non-standard deployment. you'd best tell us the precise details of the system.
[08:49] <nonedead> It is running the latest stable Debian with Sickrage and nzbGet installed
[08:49] <nonedead> Plus screen and unrar
[08:50] <nonedead> That is all that is installed
[08:50] <TJ-> nonedead: this is the Ubuntu support channel; for Debian see #debian
[08:50] <nonedead> I was hoping that someone in here could hel[
[08:50] <nonedead> *help
[08:51] <nonedead> The only answer I have gotten from there is check you NetworkManager config
[08:52] <nonedead> It is a command line box, no gui is installed on the machine
[08:52] <Viking667> good evening, all
[08:53] <TJ-> nonedead: As I said, we only provide support for Ubuntu in this channel
[08:53] <nonedead> Alright, fine
[08:54] <Viking667> I have a bash program I previously started with a .desktop file. Now, I'm noticing it turns up in the process list as: python3 /usr/bin/bash -x /home/viking/mycommand -s mycommandparams
[08:54] <Viking667> As you can imagine, not a lot happens. No gnome terminal...
[08:55] <Viking667> oops, sorry. My bad, I meant to type this: /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/gnome-terminal -x /home/viking/bin/mycommand -s myparam-
[08:56] <Viking667> Is there something else I should be doing now I've upgraded to 15.04?
[08:58] <winem_> still stuck in the login loop....
[08:58] <abdel_> i can't install skype and I keep on getting this error: W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ vivid-security/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_vivid-security_main_binary-amd64_Packages)
[08:59] <pinPoint> can I build a binary in ubuntu 14.04 and move it to ubuntu 12.04?
[09:00] <winem_> abdel_, probably, it's just a warning. check the sources lists in /etc/apt/ and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for the entry
[09:00] <TJ-> winem_: did you pastebin the /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[09:00] <abdel_> whenever i do sudo apt-get install skpye
[09:00] <abdel_> it give me error
[09:00] <TJ-> abdel_: what error? and it is "skype" not "skpye" in case it is a simple typo
[09:01] <ki7mt> pinPoint, use pbuilder or cowbuilder for that, make things simple and all but gauntnesses correct package compatibility.
[09:01] <Nitish> So finally I am using irssc from windows os. Can anyone tell me that how can I open this in default windows cmd?
[09:01] <abdel_> E: Unable to locate package skype
[09:01] <abdel_> root@abdel-HP-ProBook-4530s:~#
[09:01] <abdel_> @Tj
[09:01] <pinPoint> ki7mt: what if I just used terminal, and make/gcc
[09:02] <winem_> Tj-, not yet. let me do it now
[09:02] <ki7mt> pinPoint, then you run the risk of lib / tool chain issues
[09:02] <abdel_> 'I am using ubuntu 15.04, but having a difficult time installing skype, I have checked software center but its not there
[09:02] <Nitish> HOw can I open irssi in my default windows os cmd?
[09:02] <OerHeks> abdel_, enable partner repository first, for that 3th party binairy blob
[09:02] <TJ-> abdel_: "apt-cache search -n skype" will list all candidate packages, but I think you need a 3rd party repository for Skype
[09:02] <abdel_> how do I do that Oerheks
[09:03] <OerHeks> !skype | abdel_
[09:03] <pinPoint> ki7mt: is there a way of me getting glibc 2.17 into ubuntu 12.04 without serious breakage?
[09:03] <Viking667> Nitish: That's not exactly a Ubuntu question, you realise.
[09:03] <ki7mt> pinPoint, why I recommended pbuilder is, it builds the package in a sanitary environment which is both version and arch specific.
[09:03] <Nitish> Viking667: oh ya..
[09:03] <abdel_> @Oerheks: how do you mean !skype | abdel_
[09:04] <Nitish> Viking667: I think I should go to #freenode.
[09:04] <TJ-> pinPoint: if a package is for 12.04, and the build host is 14.04, use a pbuilder/schroot/sbuild chroot 12.04 env to build the package
[09:04] <Nitish> How can I go one step back from here?
[09:04] <pinPoint> it is not a package, rather a binary file
[09:04] <Viking667> Nitish: or you could also type /join #windows
[09:04] <pinPoint> something i can throw inside /usr/sbin/
[09:04] <TJ-> pinPoint: right, so build it in a 12.04 chroot
[09:04] <ki7mt> pinPoint, There is always a way, and you cuse update-alternatives to run multiple tool chaines, but IMHO, it's not the best path, others may disagree.
[09:05] <ki7mt> cuse - could use
[09:05] <TJ-> pinPoint: use 'debootstrap' to create a simple buildd chroot for it
[09:05] <OerHeks> abdel, read the message from ubottu, is that so hard to understand?
[09:05] <pinPoint> yeah i'm lost
[09:05] <pinPoint> right now I'm getting this nasty error: /libressl-2.3.1/.openssl/lib/libcrypto.a(getentropy_linux.o): In function `getentropy_fallback':
[09:06] <ki7mt> TJ-, That what pbuilder / pbuilder-dist does, builds chroot that is arch and version specific. debboostrap is used to create the base image.
[09:06] <pinPoint> ngnix+libressl builds properly on my 14.04 but moving to 12.04 with those ideas ^^^ just seems painful :/
[09:07] <bp0> how does one reinstall ubuntu but save users and passwords?
[09:07] <TJ-> ki7mt: correct, but pbuilder is for tailored for Debian package builds and that isn't what pinPoint wants here
[09:07] <atralheaven1> Hello, I want to install a .deb file from terminal, how can I do it?
[09:07] <osho0000> what good browser is lighter than midori for lubuntu?
[09:07] <ki7mt> More Info: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/
[09:07] <OerHeks> atralheaven1, sudo dpkg -i /path/to/<deb>
[09:07] <winem_> atralheaven1 dpkg -i <dev-file.deb>
[09:07] <Viking667> meanwhile, how do I create a .desktop file that calls gnome-terminal with my program as an arg, without it first calling python3 to execute gnome terminal?
[09:07] <TJ-> bp0: backup /etc/group /etc/passwd /etc/shadow /etc/sudoers
[09:07] <Viking667> ... something seems weird there.
[09:07] <pinPoint> TJ-: ki7mt would moving to 14.04 be another solution?
[09:08] <bp0> TJ-, will there be any problem with the users that packages created?
[09:08] <bp0> if I replace those files in the new install
[09:08] <Viking667> those files should never GET replaced
[09:09] <winem_> TJ-, now, the login works but I have another issue. do you have one more second for me?
[09:09] <ki7mt> pinPoint, solution for what? I build packages for all the current Ubuntu releases, across i386,amd64, armhf and ppcel63, all using pbuilder, it's not just for Debian.
[09:09] <Viking667> ... hang on, which files are you referring to, bp0?
[09:09] <TJ-> bp0: the uid/gids could end up being different but as long as you insert the backed-up files as soon as an ubuntu-minimal is in place, and do a sed search/replace to fix them up to match the new system, it will then work OK for subsequent package installs
[09:09] <ki7mt> whoos ppc64el my bad
[09:09] <TJ-> someone's got a sticky bit
[09:09] <Viking667> Ah, my mistake. I'll do the "Okay, I'll shaddup" thing.
[09:10] <pinPoint> for the build to finish properly. feels like more learning is to be had. :/
[09:10] <curses> Hi guys - I'm running a bunch of virtual Ubuntu servers and I'm looking to make them more secure. Would anyone be able to point me at some good resources for server security?
[09:10] <ki7mt> TJ-, Sure do.
[09:11] <Viking667> meh. I'll deal with this thing another time.
[09:11] <TJ-> pinPoint: maybe the minimal library versions required is the crux of the issue, and you'll end up in a 'dependency hell' due to that.
[09:11] <Viking667> Cheers, everyone. Have a good night/day/afternoon.
[09:11] <TJ-> winem_: what was the issue that prevented log-in? GPU driver?
[09:12] <pinPoint> TJ-: I think it needs maybe glibc 2.17
[09:12] <ki7mt> Lets see, thrid package, of section 2.1 -- ah yes, pbuilder: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/getting-set-up.html
[09:12] <pinPoint> 12.04 only maxes out at 2.15
[09:12] <malloh> please help
[09:12] <malloh> me
[09:12] <pinPoint> i haven't looked around for unofficial ppa for it
[09:12] <abdel_> i keep getting this: W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ vivid-security/main amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_vivid-security_main_binary-amd64_Packages)
[09:13] <pinPoint> ki7mt: how much work is there to be had? lol
[09:13] <TJ-> pinPoint: an option for it is to install a 14.04 chroot on the 12.04 system and then you'll not have issues
[09:13] <ki7mt> pinPoint, FOr a personal, non-launchpad package, it's fairly simple.
[09:13] <TJ-> pinPoint: again, 'debootstrap' will help you there.
[09:13] <bp0> TJ-, so those files + home are all I need to preserve users into a different ubuntu install?
[09:13] <abdel_> how do I get rid of this warning
[09:13] <winem_> I noticed that the dpkg has shown an error in the log. dpkg reconfigure did the trick. now I works when I boot an old kernel (3.19.0-22). when I just choose ubuntu I get the screen requesting the passphrase to decrypt my hdds but I can not enter anything. If I choose the latest kernel (3.19.0-33-generic) it hangs atfer Loading initial ramdisk for a few minutes now
[09:14] <TJ-> bp0: yes. /etc/group is the groups, /etc/passwd is the users, their shells and home directories, and /etc/shadow is the user encrypted passwords
[09:14] <bp0> TJ-, aright, thank you
[09:14] <TJ-> bp0: /etc/sudoers is the sudo config but that's usually standard unless you've customised it
[09:15] <TJ-> winem_: so you've got LUKS/dm-crypt root file-system?
[09:15] <winem_> only /home and /swap is encrypted
[09:16] <TJ-> winem_: that sounds like a 'Plymouth' splash screen issue and/or the wrong TTY being used for input. Which Ubuntu release is that on?
[09:16] <winem_> 15.04
[09:16] <TJ-> winem_: OK, so not being unlocked during intialramfs then
[09:16] <winem_> and yes, I already assume a Plymouth issue
[09:16] <TJ-> winem_: Are you using systemd or Upstart for the init system?
[09:16] <ki7mt> pinPoint, But when your building on an differe arch / version, that's where, as TJ- point out, chroot comes in, pbuilder ( my recommendation ) makes that whole process of building the package very easy.
[09:17] <TJ-> winem_: first thing I'd try is removing "splash" from the kernel command-line
[09:17] <pinPoint> well lets see. I have to build another 14.04 while I have a Vbox running of 14.04 while in win10. *head spins*
[09:17] <TJ-> winem_: 2nd is disabling GRUB graphical console so Linux uses pure text consoles during start-up
[09:18] <pinPoint> i'll take down my notes for nginx+libressl and keep them on shelf for later when I upgrade to 14.04 from 12.04
[09:18] <winem_> systemd, TJ-
[09:19] <winem_> disabling GRUB graphical console is done by enabling GRUB_TERMINAL=console ?
[09:20] <TJ-> winem_: We had an issue recently sounds like yours; In it, the user couldn't enter their pass-phrase and it turned out - after a lot of diagnostics - that the wrong tty was being used for reading input (i.e. not the console that was being displayed). I seem to recall it was caused because the usual kernel command-line option "vt.handoff=7" had been removed
[09:20] <TJ-> winem_: correct
[09:21] <winem_> ok, but I could add the kernel option in the grub menu after pressing e, right?
[09:21] <TJ-> winem_: correct again :)
[09:21] <ki7mt> pinPoint, It's pretty easy .. well sort of, create your chroot: pbuilder-dist precise amd64 create .. then build a widget: pbuilder-dist precise i386 ./*precise*.dsc
[09:23] <ki7mt> pinPoint, Obviously change amd64 to i386 or whatever the needed arch is
[09:23] <pinPoint> :/
[09:24] <winem_> let me double-check it but it looks like removing splash from the command-line seemed to work
[09:24] <ki7mt> I setup scripts to do most of it. once you do a few, it's pretty easy.
[09:25] <Molloh> Hi people
[09:25] <lotuspsychje> Molloh: welcome, how can we help you?
[09:25] <NKD> Molloh: ask your question.
[09:26] <Molloh> im need help from my video driver
[09:26] <_ACID_> hey eveyone
[09:26] <NKD> Molloh: explain in more details.
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> !details | Molloh
[09:26] <_ACID_> How is doing?
[09:26] <lotuspsychje> _ACID_: you joined an ubuntu support channel mate
[09:27] <winem_> ok. booting the latest kernel via recovery-mode -> entering the passphrase for home and choos resume normally works
[09:28] <winem_> but it does not work without the recovery mode or booting into the grub default. will try the other approaches
[09:28] <TJ-> winem_: does the 'default' command-line have vt.handoff=7 on it?
[09:29] <ki7mt> pinPoint, I gotta go now, as as there's a sticky bit problem, but I think you'll find, using sbuild, pbuilder or cowbuilder is good route to build a pkg on one version-arch for another version-arch.
[09:29] <winem_> no
[09:30] <pinPoint> no. I think i will just move to 14.04
[09:30] <pinPoint> i just finished another build on the vbox 14.04 and it was successful. :/
[09:31] <slickrick> ubuntu
[09:31] <ki7mt> pinPoint, That is certainly an option :-)
[09:31] <pinPoint> thanks for the tips though. will look into pbuilder later
[09:31] <Molloh> I'm working on OS Trenta I have a problem with the resolution is connected to the LCD ekrana.PC TV.Razreshenie billed 1920-1080 but still huge , huge icons and okna.Im Tried to put different drivers , but or rupture
[09:31] <Molloh> solution remains the same or normal but the sound via HDMI No
[09:32] <OerHeks> Molloh, how is OS Trenta related to ubuntu support?
[09:33] <Molloh> it is based on Ubuntu 14
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> Molloh: and its not officially supported
[09:34] <OerHeks> Molloh, find their irc channel > https://tree.taiga.io/project/trenta-os/wiki/support
[09:37] <Molloh> I understand that is not officially supported , but I was advised to go here
[09:39] <OerHeks> bad advise, that trenta has its own issues.
[09:40] <Molloh> Unfortunately in the channel no one
[09:41] <ki7mt> That's may be a good reason to *not* use that distro.
[09:44] <death_> Hello...
[09:44] <Molloh> people!
[09:45] <Molloh> please help me
[09:45] <death_> yeah...
[09:45] <lotuspsychje> Molloh: make your life easy mate and install an ubuntu version from the topic
[09:46] <OerHeks> again, that trenta has its own issues.
[09:46] <lotuspsychje> Molloh: there are lots of wm's you can try on official ubuntu aswell, to make it look as trenta
[09:48] <Molloh> So I did not fix the problem with the resolution remains
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> Molloh: please seek trenta help elsewhere
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> Molloh: again, you can install themes on our official ubuntu, so its look clean like trenta
[09:54] <Molloh> It is based on Ubuntu, in support of Trent told me to contact the support for Ubuntu with my problem.
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> Molloh: and that was wrong advise
[09:57] <Molloh> This is the same Ubuntu just another shell, and then the problem must be addressed as well as in ubuntu.Chto in such cases, as I have done in ubuntu?
[09:58] <OerHeks> Molloh, no they did not, you just stated the irc was empty :-D
[10:00] <winem_> TJ-, still around?
[10:00] <Psil0Cybin> Sup
[10:01] <Molloh> If he really is empty
[10:01] <Psil0Cybin> How has everyone been doing
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Psil0Cybin
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[10:10] <HackerII> marnin lotuspsychje
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> hey HackerII
[10:16] <abdel_> hello guys
[10:16] <abdel_> my wifi
[10:16] <abdel_> is not working
[10:16] <Grimblee> that's sad, what kind of test did you do ?
[10:16] <abdel_> I am using ubuntu 15.04 , i have a wired connection but my wifi is not working
[10:16] <Grimblee> did you try rebooting ?
[10:17] <Grimblee> what's the output of ifconfig wlan0 ?
[10:21] <abdel_> I am using ubuntu 15.04 , i have a wired connection but my wifi is not working
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> abdel_: wifi card chipset?
[10:21] <Grimblee> Yeah, what's the output of "ifconfig wlan0" in temrinal ?
[10:21] <Grimblee> terminal*
[10:22] <Grimblee> Do you see wifi networks in the system tray ?
[10:28] <winem_> I have an issue with Ubuntu 15.04. an update from yesterday evening caused a login loop. this is fixed now. but now, I'm unable to connect to any wifi. no wifis are listed in the network manager
[10:28] <winem_> restarted the manager several times
[10:29] <Grimblee> seems like you've got the issue as abdel_
[10:29] <Grimblee> the same*
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> winem: sudo lshw -C network
[10:29] <Grimblee> same version, same error
[10:30] <winem_> lotuspsychje, done. *network UNCLAINED lists the wireless controller and *-network DISABLED the LAN controller (which should be ok, because there is no direct LAN interface and I have to use a USB-to-Ethernet adapter
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> winem: wifi card chipset?
[10:31] <winem_> Intel Wireless 7265
[10:32] <lotuspsychje> winem: did you update to latest with network cable?
[10:32] <winem_> no
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> winem: try a sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:33] <winem_> I have the adapter at home and wanted to know if one of you has another approach. but ok, I'll do it today evening anywa
[10:33] <lotuspsychje> winem: also check your additional drivers list
[10:34] <lotuspsychje> winem: come online with your home pc, where the card is located and try the update with cable
[10:36] <vape> I'm trying to get jetty running with an init script on Ubuntu 12.04. Using "service jetty run" does start it in the foreground as expected. "service jetty start" reports "FAILED", but actually it does start jetty and writes the pid file
[10:37] <vape> but because it reports failed, I can't then stop the service, and my config management tooling thinks it failed
[10:37] <EriC^^> vape: try sudo service jetty restart
[10:37] <vape> EriC^^: I can't even start it in the first place EriC^^
[10:38] <vape> or rather, I can, but init thinks I can't
[10:38] <EriC^^> worth a shot
[10:38] <vape> and it needs to work when the service starts on boot, cos the config management tool only has visibility at the service level
[10:38] <vape> these are cattle not pets, I can't be sshing onto them
[10:38] <EriC^^> vape: try without using run first
[10:39] <vape> well if I do "service jetty restart" it tries to stop jetty (the PID in the /var/run/jetty.pid isn't the actual PID of the process)
[10:39] <vape> and then tries to start jetty, and reports FAILED again just like when I do start
[10:39] <vape> The only thing that works is "service jetty run" which doesn't fork to the background
[10:39] <EriC^^> vape: if you try start without run first does it work?
[10:40] <vape> OK so right now, jetty isn't running. but there is a file /var/run/jetty.pid which contains a number
[10:40] <vape> The number doesn't correspond to any running process
[10:40] <vape> if I do service jetty start it prints dots for a few seconds and then prints FAILED
[10:42] <vape> After doing that the number in /var/run/jetty.pid changes
[10:44] <winem_> lotuspsychje, ok will do it. thanks
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> morning MonkeyDust
[10:49] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje
[10:55] <winem_> lotuspsychje, I got an adapter now and I recognized further issues. LAN is also not working... and I'm missing the settings to change the screen brightness, etc
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> winem: try ubuntu LTS for a more stable experience
[11:02] <soft_> ciao
[11:03] <winem_> lotus, to be honest, I'm wondering why I did not install 14.04 like I did on all other workstations
[11:03] <winem_> last question: networking via LAN works if I enter the rescue mode, enable networking first and resume to the normal boot procedure
[11:03] <winem_> but it does not work without this workaround
[11:03] <winem_> any guess why it fails?
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> winem: sounds like an intel driver failing perhaps
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> winem: you can try a 14.04.3 liveusb, and test both your adapters from there
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> winem: see if it makes a difference with 15.04
[11:08] <winem_> ok, great idea!
[11:10] <TJ-> winem_: as always... read the logs. syslog for networking, if the PC is using Network Manager
[11:20] <rpadovani> Hey all :-) I'm on ubuntu 14.04 with all updates installed. Starting today, when I click on 'x' to close a window, it closes *all* instances of the program. Like, I open 2 terminals, I close one, both are closed - same with multiple firefox windows
[11:20] <rpadovani> is it a known bug?
[11:21] <winem_> TJ-, I'm very confused.. it does not even accept usb drives for backups, etc... let me see the logs
[11:22] <TJ-> winem_: if there's a general hardware issue, check dmesg / kern.log. if device nodes aren't bein correctly populated that sounds like a udevd issue. Have you checked the root file-system etc. haven't run out of space of you're getting multiple 'weird' issues?
[11:23] <L0> hello. I have one thing to ask. It's about renaming network interface names. I know there is a file called 'iftab' under /etc, and i tried changing it, but seems like something is overwriting that change. anyone has idea?
[11:23] <L0> right now, my wireless interface name is ridiculus, 'wlp3s0'
[11:23] <winem_> filesystem check on all partitions was successfully and dmesg looks fine. it fines the new usb drive and shows the right prodcut info
[11:24] <winem_> I would just have to make a backup of a few gb...
[11:24] <L0> it only happened when i install ubuntu 15.10, such thing didn't occur to me when upgrading from 14.10 to 1510
[11:24] <L0> anyone got similar problem with network interface names?
[11:26] <MonkeyDust> L0 guess you have to rename you wireless network in the router (192.168.1.1 or so)
[11:27] <L0> MonkeyDust: Uh, how is that related?
[11:27] <L0> MonkeyDust: it was my wireless adapter name, not the router's
[11:27] <TJ-> L0: "/etc/iftab" ?
[11:27] <L0> TJ-: Tried, being overwritten at boot
[11:28] <L0> and i tried adding network.rules file under /etc/udev/rules.d/, didn't work either
[11:28] <TJ-> L0: interface naming is done by Systemd, according to the predictable network interface name specification
[11:28] <L0> but shouldn't the custom network.rules file overwrite the naming convention?
[11:30] <L0> this is quite annoying, since i can't even remember that weird name, and it's hard to type too. wlan0 is much better
[11:30] <TJ-> L0: Ubuntu doesn't use /etc/iftab, and we don't have the ifrename tool either. Are you sure that's an ubuntu system?
[11:30] <L0> yes, i'm on ubuntu 15.10 and i can confirm i have iftab file
[11:31] <TJ-> L0: So am I, there's no package using ifrename or /etc/iftab
[11:31] <TJ-> L0: see http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[11:31] <L0> i don't have ifrename but iftab is present
[11:32] <L0> TJ-: and the weird thing is when i change the name inside iftab and reboot, it revert back to original name inside that file again
[11:33] <MonkeyDust> L0 maybe because that iftab file is alien to ubuntu
[11:34] <zingz0r> hi guys!
[11:35] <noelia> Hello everyone
[11:35] <bober454> hi
[11:35] <L0> hi there
[11:35] <allvariables> hi
[11:35] <bober454> what kind of chat is this??
[11:36] <TJ-> bober454: answering support questions for Ubuntu
[11:36] <zingz0r> i'd like to backup my server before update. is bacula best for it or what would you sugesT?
[11:36] <MonkeyDust> bober454 ubuntu support
[11:36] <L0> bober454: volunteer run ubuntu support, i guess
[11:36] <zingz0r> suggest*
[11:36] <MonkeyDust> zingz0r rync is pretty fast and versatile
[11:36] <zolder> hi
[11:36] <noelia> I need to install wine but I get this message from Synaptic: Broken packages or dependencies unresolved
[11:37] <zingz0r> u mean rsync?
[11:37] <MonkeyDust> noelia what's the output of cat /etc/issue
[11:37] <MonkeyDust> zingz0r type, yes, that's what i mean
[11:37] <zolder> will the standard ubuntu 14.04.3 driver wich is provided in the installation will be enough to run steam games ? or can i install the amd driver from the website..
[11:37] <MonkeyDust> typo*
[11:37] <noelia> MonkeyDust Ubuntu 15.04 \n \l
[11:38] <L0> noelia: run 'sudo apt-get install -f' that'll resolv dependencies
[11:38] <MonkeyDust> noelia in a terminal, run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[11:39] <zingz0r> ty. and should i bacup all folders or is there a folder list which is enough for restoration
[11:40] <MonkeyDust> zingz0r there's also #ubuntu-server
[11:40] <zingz0r> oh ty
[11:40] <zingz0r> see you
[11:42] <noelia> I did both but the output of "sudo apt-get install wine" is this: http://pastebin.com/st0FQmwY
[11:44] <murat_> hi
[11:44] <MonkeyDust> noelia what's the output of sudo apt update
[11:45] <murat_> hj
[11:45] <MonkeyDust> murat_ it works
[11:47] <noelia> MonkeyDust http://pastebin.com/2W8hVLyP
[11:47] <noelia> Which means "Failed to obtain..."
[11:47] <MonkeyDust> noelia is what i thought... the ppa
[11:48] <noelia> MonkeyDust Oh, the ppa
[11:48] <MonkeyDust> noelia disaable / remove the ppa, then update again
[11:50] <zolder> Hi, iwas installsting steam in ubuntu, but i got error You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run:
[11:50] <zolder> libc.so.6
[11:50] <zolder> do i need to do just apt-get install libc.so.6 ?
[11:51] <noelia> MonkeyDust The output of "sudo apt update" is correct now (after disabling the ppa), but I still can't install wine
[11:51] <TJ-> zolder: last time we saw that, it turned out to be a false message, and due to a corrupted 0-length file in $HOME/.steam/
[11:52] <zolder> ok TJ.
[11:52] <zolder> How can i fix that?
[11:53] <MonkeyDust> noelia moment, i have something called 'fix packages'...
[11:53] <TJ-> zolder: The user renamed the steam directory with a back-up name and let steam re-install the files under $HOME
[11:53] <noelia> MonkeyDust Ok, thank you :)
[11:54] <zolder> i cannot choose where steam is installed
[11:54] <zolder> it just goes..
[11:55] <TJ-> zolder: if the existing directory is $HOME/.steam, rename it to $HOME/.steam-backup and re-run steam. It should then write good files into a new $HOME/.steam
[11:55] <MonkeyDust> noelia picked this up in this channel ... save this as a simple text file, make executable and run it ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/13344428/
[11:55] <noelia> Thank you very much
[11:55] <zolder> ok
[11:56] <zolder> do i have to rename it by terminal ? or can i do it in a filemanager>
[11:57] <zolder> \still the same error
[11:57] <zolder> i renamed the folder
[11:58] <zolder> something to do with unmet dependecies or something..
[11:59] <TJ-> zolder: OK, in which case put the renamed directory back to normal. You'll need to check with steam support. How did you install it?
[11:59] <zolder> through software manager
[12:00] <zolder> i will download installer from website and try that
[12:00] <zolder> Because in the software manager it say BUY too... wich is weird
[12:00] <TJ-> zolder: it looks like because of the mess that is the steam client config scripts, it doesn't correctly declare all its dependencies in the package.
[12:01] <zolder> i removed it now, and download from steam website
[12:01] <ocean> zolder: are the ia32 libs installed? apt-cache policy libc6:i386
[12:02] <zolder> no he wanted to install that
[12:02] <zolder> but did not let me pass through
[12:02] <abdel_> Hello guys, please I have installed ubuntu 15.04 but i cannot see my wireless connection...I just have wired connection please help
[12:02] <zolder> cause depencies
[12:02] <ocean> (which provides the ia32 libc6)
[12:02] <noelia> MonkeyDust I still get the same error, after running the script you told me. I'm afraid I'm going to have to reinstall Ubuntu
[12:02] <zolder> i have installed libc6
[12:02] <peter1858> .
[12:02] <zolder> should i restart after that?
[12:02] <MonkeyDust> noelia that's sad to hear/read
[12:02] <TJ-> zolder: is it a 64-bit system?
[12:02] <zolder> yes sir
[12:02] <ocean> zolder: but, the ia32
[12:02] <ocean> zolder: are the ia32 libs installed? apt-cache policy libc6:i386
[12:02] <TJ-> zolder: is i386 enabled as a foreign architecture?
[12:03] <zolder> how can i know
[12:03] <MonkeyDust> noelia backup your personal documents
[12:03] <TJ-> zolder: "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures"
[12:03] <MannyLNJ> How do I make ubuntu run a command before login. I have to disable the internal keyboard due to a stuck key. I am using an external keyboard
[12:03] <ocean> zolder: told you apt-cache policy libc6:i386
[12:03] <zolder> it says i386
[12:03] <abdel_> Also my ports are not working, please can somebody help me
[12:04] <TJ-> zolder: OK, so that will allow installation of the :i386 packages correctly.
[12:04] <noelia> It says some of the needed packages haven't been created yet or have been taken from "Incoming"
[12:04] <zolder> ia32 libs and whats that ?
[12:04] <TJ-> zolder: "apt-get -f install" to correct dependencies, deal with any issues that reports, then retry the steam install
[12:05] <TJ-> zolder: which ubuntu release is it, 15.10?
[12:05] <zolder> how can i output apt-cache policy libc6:i386 in apastebin ?
[12:05] <zolder> do i need dropbox?
[12:06] <zolder> no its 14.04.3
[12:06] <TJ-> zolder: "pastebinit <( apt-cache policy libc6:i386)"
[12:06] <Guest35375> quit
[12:06] <zolder> command not found
[12:07] <zolder> oh interpunctions nevermind
[12:07] <TJ-> zolder: you may need to do "apt-get install pastebinit" which may not work if the packages are in a mess, so instead do "apt-cache policy libc6:i386 | nc termbin.com 9999"
[12:07] <zolder> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13344556/
[12:07] <zolder> finally
[12:07] <zolder> :D
[12:08] <TJ-> zolder: so I'd recommend the "apt-get -f install" to clear any package problems, then you can correctly install steam
[12:08] <zolder> hmm ? what you mean
[12:08] <zolder> what package i need to isntall ?
[12:09] <peter1858> Does anyone know how to get onto #gamedev?
[12:09] <peter1858> I'm interested in starting a game project (or finding out if there's something similar going). I'd like to see if I can get people together a bit at a time and try and grow support. Is that a good place to chat?
[12:09] <MonkeyDust> peter1858 if it's on freenode, type /j #gamedev
[12:10] <zolder> apt-get -f install < just a command to typ to clear packages that the full command ?
[12:10] <MonkeyDust> peter1858 try #ubuntu-app-devel, first, guess they can help better
[12:12] <zolder> sudo apt-get install libc6* it says you have broken packages
[12:13] <zolder> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13344607/
[12:14] <zolder> sudo apt-get install libc6:i386 libgl1-mesa-dri-lts-vivid:i386 libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-vivid:i386
[12:16] <zolder> its starting up now
[12:16] <zolder> thanks.
[12:17] <zolder> i think they put a wrong command line somewhere in the steam installer
[12:17] <zolder> wich install those packages for the newer versions of ubuntu
[12:18] <zolder> i hope they will fix it :)
[12:18] <peter1858> Thanks <MonkeyDust>
[12:20] <peter1858> When I try to chat on #gamedev I get message #gamedev :Cannot send to channel
[12:20] <peter1858> Also channel topic says: You must be identified to speak.
[12:21] <MonkeyDust> peter1858 maybe you have to !register, first, to avoid spam
[12:22] <peter1858> Ah. Ok
[12:27] <LeMiner2> [2015/11/19 11:55:54] inotify.c:195: warn: WARNING: Inotify max_user_watches [8192] is low or close to the number of used watches [2] and I do not have permission to increase this limit. Please do so manually by writing a higher value$
[12:27] <LeMiner2> Anyone has an idea whats wrong with this? It's from the minidlna.log file
[12:28] <MonkeyDust> LeMiner2 start from the beginnng, where, when, how does this appear
[12:29] <zolder> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2073540
[12:29] <zolder> there is a fix for that person
[12:29] <zolder> same error as you have
[12:29] <zolder> maybe read that.. google is your best friend
[12:29] <LeMiner2> Raspberry Pi, installed minidlna so I can stream filed from Pi ext harddrive to Iphone
[12:29] <LeMiner2> configured but not showing any files, showing that error in .log
[12:29] <LeMiner2> ty i'll take a look :)
[12:30] <MonkeyDust> LeMiner2 raspberry pi has it's own channel
[12:30] <MonkeyDust> its*
[12:32] <SeerKan> Hi guys. Any way to configure a folder so that any folder/file written to it automatically inherits the user/group from the parent no matter who write's it ?
[12:32] <MannyLNJ> How do I make ubuntu run a command before login. I have to disable the internal keyboard due to a stuck key. I am using an external keyboard
[12:34] <zolder> startup appplications :
[12:34] <zolder> add new
[12:34] <zolder> you can add config file or command whatever
[12:34] <MannyLNJ> zoktar, thank you
[12:34] <k1l_> MannyLNJ: for systemwide i would put it into rc.local.
[12:35] <abdel_> Hello guys, please I have installed ubuntu 15.04 but i cannot see my wireless connection...I just have wired connection please help
[12:35] <abdel_> Also my ports are not working, please can somebody help me
!register gives the same message
[12:41] <peter1858> also when you spoke to me your name was highlighted, was that a direct message? How do I do that?
[12:41] <peter1858> Anyone?
[12:41] <hateball> !who | peter1858
[12:42] <TJ-> peter1858: that's a Freenode network requirement for some channels. Please see https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[12:42] <peter1858> !tab
[12:43] <llutz> SeerKan: look at ACLs, setfacl/getfacl if your FS supports it
[12:43] <peter1858> do I type !tab MonkeyDust ...
[12:43] <cfhowlett> peter1858, cfho <tab>
[12:44] <peter1858> cfhowlett,
[12:44] <llutz> SeerKan:
[12:44] <peter1858> cfho <tab>
[12:44] <cfhowlett> peter1858, and that's how it's done
[12:45] <TJ-> peter1858: you type just a few characters of the user's nickname then press tab, possibly repeatedly, until the correct nickname shows, then type your message for that person's attention
[12:45] <peter1858> TJ-, like this?
[12:45] <llutz> SeerKan: now, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissionsACLs
[12:46] <TJ-> peter1858: correct
[12:46] <peter1858> TJ-, k, gotit
[12:47] <peter1858> MonkeyDust, !register gives the same message (or does !register mean something?)
[12:48] <MonkeyDust> !register
[12:48] <MonkeyDust> peter1858 it's a !factoid
[12:49] <apparle> Hi I'm trying to connect to a secure wifi connection, but the network manager is not able to load my primary key
[12:51] <peter1858> MonkeyDust, !factoid?
[12:52] <LeMiner> @ zolder , not sure how but got it working :)
[12:52] <peter1858> MonkeyDust, what exactly is the !
[12:53] <peter1858> MonkeyDust, as in !factoid or !register
[12:53] <k1l_> peter1858: read what the bot tells you. the !command tells the bot what information the user should get.
[12:53] <peter1858> !register
[12:54] <k1l_> peter1858: ubottu is the bot. please read its messages.
[12:54] <peter1858> k1l_, gotit
[12:55] <Guest21834> hi i am trying to install a windows app using wine. i'm using a webpage for instructions but it's for gentoo. can someone help
[12:56] <k1l_> Guest21834: use the wine app database for instructions how to handle windows programs with wine.
[12:56] <k1l_> !wine | Guest21834
[12:56] <Guest21834> ok thanks
[12:57] <_ACID_> Hey, Someone use HomeBrew on linux?
[12:58] <MonkeyDust> !find homebrew
[12:59] <k1l_> _ACID_: there is no need for. we got the ubuntu repo already
[13:00] <canh> ?
[13:03] <herrkin_> hello, comunity.
[13:04] <herrkin_> I need a little help setting up (again) my swap partition.
[13:04] <herrkin_> can anyone help me on that? TJ-, EriC^^ ?
[13:04] <EriC^^> herrkin_: yeah
[13:05] <EriC^^> do you want to use the encrypted swap?
[13:05] <solsTiCe> hi; did anyone notice a little slower boot with 15.10 ? I think I lost at least 5 seconds. and I booot from SSD.
[13:05] <herrkin_> it seems everytime ubuntu update the base it fails
[13:05] <herrkin_> yes
[13:05] <TJ-> herrkin_: could be there's no 'offset' parameter in /etc/crypttab's cryptswap entry
[13:06] <rk443> hello
[13:06] <herrkin> how can I see that?
[13:07] <herrkin> without the swap it seems that the machine is 1/3 of its power. it freezes all the time. TJ-, EriC^^
[13:08] <maui> hi guys, I'm trying to understand how to make a multiple bootable OS live usb pendrive only with bash commands. I know there are many softwares allowing you to do that, but I prefer to do it myself. For making a bootable pendrive with linux (any distro), one usually uses command "dd" etc. Is there a similar procedure? I searched it up for the past days but all I could find was "use this software, or this other one". Thanks in advance for whoever is going to help!
[13:09] <Yasuni> Hi Guys, i have a problem but can't figure it out.. i have a ubuntu server 14.04.3 on a vmware ESXI host, but for some reason the network stops working after a while. if i restart the network cards its fine for a few minuts but the its back. I have treid different Nic' s E1000 and VMXNET3 but no change. where do i need to start to troubleshoot this?
[13:09] <EriC^^> herrkin: type cat /etc/crypttab | nc termbin.co 9999
[13:09] <EriC^^> herrkin: type cat /etc/crypttab | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:09] <herrkin> http://termbin.com/ac4d
[13:10] <EriC^^> TJ-: ^
[13:11] <Yasuni> I already looked at /var/log/syslog but no errors there, i have also installed vmware tools but that didn't make a difference, i have searched all over but can't find anything resemble my situation
[13:13] <TJ-> herrkin: as I thought. the entry is mssing the offset= parameter, which means the entire device is getting clobbered each time it is created at boot
[13:14] <akik> maui: syslinux is probably where you want to start from
[13:14] <herrkin> alright. that seems so. what does offset do? its like a timeout parameter?
[13:14] <maui> akik: Could you be more specific? thanks for answering
[13:16] <akik> maui: i'm not sure if you want to code the boot manager yourself, but read up on syslinux
[13:17] <MonkeyDust> maui in a terminal, type man syslinux
[13:17] <akik> maui: also, isolinux
[13:18] <maui> MonkeyDust, akik: so you're suggesting me to study syslinux and isolinux? I thought it would have been more a question of bootstrap and debootstrap
[13:18] <bubbles> command to force to make new thumbnails?
[13:20] <bubbles> got it, pressed f5
[13:20] <bubbles> thanks
[13:20] <bubbles> buh bye
[13:20] <akik> maui: yes
[13:20] <MonkeyDust> bubbles glad i could help
[13:21] <maui> akik, yes what? study sys and iso? what about boot and deboot? thanks for answering though :)
[13:21] <herrkin> what should I do TJ- ?
[13:22] <TJ-> herrkin: no, it tells cryptsetup to start the encrypted block 'offset' sectors (512-byte blocks) into the raw device. That has the effect of avoiding over-writing an original swap partition metadata which has a UUID embedded. Then, the cryptstab should define the device by UUID=XXXX not by /dev/sda8
[13:22] <Yasuni> maui: try to read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization i used this and made my very own live-usb with custom programs pre installed ( and remove de GUI )
[13:22] <akik> maui: the answer yes was for your question about studying syslinux and isolinux. debootstrap is used to install ubuntu into a directory. i'm not sure if it even touches the boot loader settings per se
[13:23] <herrkin> yes TJ- you or EriC^^ told me to use /dev/sda8 instead of uuid because the swap didnt want to work
[13:23] <maui> Yasuni, thanks for answering but this is not what I'm asking: I don't care how they will "live boot". All I want is to put different .isos from different OS's all on the same bootable pendrive :)
[13:23] <TJ-> herrkin: right, because you need to use 'offset='
[13:23] <maui> akik, ok...
[13:23] <Yasuni> Aaahh sorry mis understood.
[13:26] <ioria> maui, you mean YUMI ?
[13:26] <MonkeyDust> ioria he wants to do it from vli
[13:26] <MonkeyDust> cli*
[13:26] <ioria> oh...
[13:26] <akik> maui: and if my memory serves me well, you could create the multiboot usb stick also with grub
[13:28] <maui> ioria, no, I said I've seen these softwares that are capable of doing such things, but I'd prefer to do it manually from a terminal and I'm trying to learn how, since no search engine helps on this topic...
[13:28] <ioria> maui, i see
[13:28] <maui> akik, now we're talking :) could you please tell me more about it?
[13:28] <maui> ioria, thanks anyway
[13:29] <akik> maui: a quick google search came back with https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive
[13:30] <pulkit_> i have to make small changes to grub
[13:30] <maui> ioria, plus yumi only works with linux distros, what if I wanted to create a live OS X, Windows and Linux bootable pendrive? :)
[13:30] <pulkit_> and i see two files..grub and grub.ucf-dist
[13:31] <ioria> maui, yeah ... interesting challenge
[13:31] <MonkeyDust> ambitious plan
[13:31] <maui> akik, yeah I had seen that already but it's apparently really buggy and it does not really allow me to do what I would like to, thanks for posting it anyway :)
[13:31] <maui> ioria, yeah right?
[13:32] <ioria> maui, sure
[13:33] <herrkin> then what could I do about it TJ- ?
[13:33] <ioria> maui, i'm just reading this ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2276498
[13:33] <pulkit_> i want to make changes to grub. But I see two files -> grub and grub.ucf-dist. Grub file is almost empty whereas grub.ucf-dist has the relevant information. I tried changing the timeout and then did sudo update-grub but there were no changes to the grub.cfg.
[13:34] <IsntFunny> Hey everyone. I am running a Pi with ubuntu but i cannot get the serial working, could someone help me?
[13:34] <cfhowlett> IsntFunny, go to pi channel for that
[13:35] <maui> ioria, i'm reading this instead http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/297124-guide-creating-a-multi-os-multiboot-usb-install-drive-osxwindowslinux/
[13:36] <IsntFunny> cfhowlett: thanks :)
[13:36] <cfhowlett> best of luck!
[13:36] <ioria> maui, it uses Yumi....
[13:36] <maui> ioria, -.-
[13:36] <MonkeyDust> and yumi is a gui
[13:37] <IsntFunny> I hope the pi channel isn't too dead tbh :D
[13:38] <maui> ioria, MonkeyDust, yeah sorry, I wasn't reading quick enough...
[13:39] <ioria> maui, it'ok ... keep searching :þ
[13:41] <MonkeyDust> maui the #bash channel may be useful too
[13:43] <maui> MonkeyDust, I'm there since half an hour, that's where they suggested me bootstrap and debootstrap...
[13:43] <maui> ioria, look what I found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2259682&p=13302278#post13302278
[13:47] <ioria> maui, yep .. need a deep reading , but a good start
[13:53] <herrkin> TJ-, sorry to bother you, I will be arround waiting for your help. its very important that I deal with this so I can really use this machine.
[14:01] <zingz0r> will rsync skipp the unchanged files in next rsync?
[14:01] <tsoutseki> Is there someway to use my camera as a webcam?
[14:02] <cfhowlett> tsoutseki, you mean stream your camera to the internet?
[14:02] <tsoutseki> cfhowlett, yes
[14:03] <llutz> zingz0r: yes
[14:03] <cfhowlett> tsoutseki, here's one way: http://www.area536.com/projects/streaming-video/
[14:03] <dw1> sometimes save file dialog takes ages to pop up. hmm
[14:03] <dw1> there's not too many files in the folder...
[14:03] <dw1> this just started.
[14:04] <dw1> i may have reinstalled dropbox-nautilus
[14:04] <dw1> hrm
[14:04] <dw1> but that wouldnt affect gedit save
[14:05] <dw1> i also notice similar delays when opening certain Preferences panels etc
[14:05] <dw1> must be some slow disk/dir
[14:05] <tsoutseki> cfhowlett, that's not what I was looking for. My camera is not a webcam, it is a simple sony camera that I can connect with my computer through USB and move files.
[14:05] <tsoutseki> cfhowlett, I want it someway identified as a webcamera
[14:06] <cfhowlett> tsoutseki, that is a different question ... wait 1
[14:08] <rofltech> jophish: check your grub and make sure the root partition is right. also make sure it's using the right initramfs
[14:09] <rofltech> er nvm i apparently was scrolled up like 3 days...that's nice
[14:10] <dw1> i think it was because i had bookmarked two old sshfs folders that couldn't connect :]
[14:10] <dw1> ٩(-̮̮̃-̃)۶
[14:11] <neure> hi
[14:11] <neure> how do i see what speed my network card is working at?
[14:11] <dw1> bmon or vnstat are good progs
[14:12] <neure> i suspect it may be running at 10M mode :(
[14:12] <dw1> oh
[14:12] <llutz> neure: ethtool
[14:12] <neure> ...lots of stuff on -h ...
[14:13] <zingz0r> llutz: ty
[14:13] <llutz> neure: sudo ethtool ethX
[14:13] <dw1> mine gives one line.. "Link detected: yes" for my wlan0
[14:13] <dw1> lots more for eth0
[14:13] <neure> Speed: 1000Mb/s
[14:13] <neure> does that look good?
[14:13] <dw1> uh yeah
[14:14] <dw1> Gbit
[14:14] <neure> then why xosview show NET that never exceeds 10.0M?
[14:14] <dw1> did you install vnstat
[14:14] <dw1> it has some limiter i think
[14:14] <dw1> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[14:14] <neure> i did
[14:14] <dw1> ah ha
[14:14] <neure> vnstat just says Not enough data available yet.
[14:14] <dw1> in the config files it limits the iface to 10M
[14:14] <dw1> by default
[14:15] <neure> ... why?
[14:15] <dw1> idk
[14:15] <neure> you mean config files for xosview?
[14:15] <dw1> no for vnstat
[14:15] <dw1> it's new to me too i just noticed it when i installed it on new server
[14:15] <dw1> had to adjust
[14:15] <neure> where is the config file?
[14:16] <dw1> /etc/vnstat.conf
[14:16] <dw1> and there's some interface-specific ones maybe somewhere....
[14:17] <neure> MaxBandwidth 100
[14:17] <neure> that is Mbit
[14:17] <dw1> when i installed it the package installer said stuff like "setting iface ___ to 10.."
[14:18] <dw1> i forget where to edit it
[14:18] <neure> dw1, it did not say anything like that to me
[14:18] <neure> not to console at least
[14:20] <dw1> you could run https://github.com/sivel/speedtest-cli to see if you get more than 1.25MB/s
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:24] <Yopyop> Hello, i have a problem with reprepro cloning main ubuntu mirror. Most of the repo are fine but i have issue with one, Packages and Packages.gz is empty. Does anyone have a clue to regenerate them ?
[14:28] <tieum> hi all
[14:31] <toppycat654> I need help setting up my email server using ubuntu 14.04
[14:31] <toppycat654> does any one knows why I can not telnet
[14:35] <ShrewdSpirit> Hello. I have Ubuntu 14.04 and installed AMD fglrx drivers through "Additional Drivers" menu in settings and after next boot, I only get this: http://pastebin.com/5u4GJ2cG also when I open a TTY, it goes back to that message after a while
[14:36] <llutz> toppycat654: does the mailserver run at all? sudo lsof -i :25
[14:39] <ShrewdSpirit> 1800 people in channel and no help? :(
[14:40] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, get used to it.
[14:40] <ShrewdSpirit> This is bad. I'm in another channel with 50 people in it and I get instant help :p
[14:41] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, perfect example, chop off your arm in the middle of NYC and scream. No one will bat a eye.
[14:41] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, what seems to be the problem ?
[14:41] <ShrewdSpirit> samthewildone: Haha!
[14:41] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, well spit it out.
[14:41] <ShrewdSpirit> Well, my laptop doesnt boot after fglrx driver installation
[14:41] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, gnome installation of ubuntu I supposed.
[14:42] <ShrewdSpirit> Using additional drivers in settings. I have gnome and Ubuntu 14.04
[14:42] <ShrewdSpirit> Yeah
[14:42] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, your going to have to remove that fglrx drivers bud.
[14:42] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, I had the same problem.
[14:42] <ShrewdSpirit> samthewildone: I could never get those drivers work in any distro :(
[14:42] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, right now the drivers are doing the same exact thing with this installation of Ubuntu Gnome 15.10
[14:43] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, same here. I'm going to switch to nvidia because amd has always some politics when it comes to open drivers.
[14:43] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, Are you able to boot up into your laptop ?
[14:44] <ShrewdSpirit> samthewildone: That's bad. I think I should continue using Intel HD. Unfortunately I cannot change to nvidia
[14:44] <ShrewdSpirit> samthewildone: Yeah, I can open a TTY but it instantly returns to the error message
[14:44] <ShrewdSpirit> samthewildone: This message http://pastebin.com/5u4GJ2cG
[14:48] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, hm
[14:49] <ShrewdSpirit> samthewildone: I just removed the drivers, now it boots fine :D
[14:49] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, here's what I did, I went into recovery mode and enabled both networking & root access to do a "$apt-get purge flgrx*"
[14:49] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, ah... well
[14:50] <ShrewdSpirit> samthewildone: It was hard though :p I had to type fast because of that annoying message
[14:50] <samthewildone> haha
[14:50] <samthewildone> mine would had just hanged.
[14:51] <ShrewdSpirit> :o
[14:51] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, I installed both 14.04.3 -> 15.10 fresh and still had the same driver issue.
[14:51] <someonespecial> hi
[14:51] <samthewildone> currently using open drivers and grumbling.
[14:52] <someonespecial> abra0: Hi
[14:52] <abra0> oh
[14:52] <abra0> someonespecial: hi
[14:52] <ShrewdSpirit> samthewildone: Intel HD works fine but it's not as powerful as AMD
[14:52] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, what laptop we using ?
[14:53] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, on my t430s hd4x works good.
[14:53] <ShrewdSpirit> samthewildone: Acer Aspire E1-572G
[14:53] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, though, its a laptop for working not a power plant.
[14:53] <ShrewdSpirit> Haha, right :D
[14:59] <ShrewdSpirit> samthewildone: Thank you for the help C:
[14:59] <wzx> hello
[14:59] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, well I tried to help.
[14:59] <samthewildone> ShrewdSpirit, :)
[14:59] <samthewildone> wzx, sup
[14:59] <ShrewdSpirit> samthewildone: You told to uninstall and I did :p
[15:00] <Yasuni> Hi Guys, i have a problem but can't figure it out.. i have a ubuntu server 14.04.3 on a vmware ESXI host, but for some reason the network stops working after a while. if i restart the network cards its fine for a few minuts but the its back. I have treid different Nic' s E1000 and VMXNET3 but no change. if i use a arp -a command or a tcpdump i regain network connectoin but after a few minuts its gone again.
[15:00] <Yasuni> i also moved the VM to a other ESXI host but that also had no effect. Can anybody please help me out i am fighting this 1,5 day already
[15:01] <samthewildone> haha
[15:01] <hateball> Yasuni: and you have openvm-tools installed?
[15:02] <hateball> that's open-vm-tools
[15:02] <Yasuni> Yes but no change, also treid to use vm-tools from the iso also no change
[15:02] <hateball> vmware tools are deprecated
[15:02] <hateball> Yasuni: what esxi version? there is also #vmware that might know
[15:03] <Yasuni> Hateball: EXSI 5.5
[15:04] <hateball> Yasuni: Alright. Dunno what to say then. Been working fine for me on 5.0, 5.1, 6.0. Never did 5.5. Also worked fine regardless of vmware tools or open-vm
[15:05] <GeHa> ddrescue on partition: source windows gives it a letter, does not know the space ammount, chkdsk says it is ntfs,but some next version information about the volume are not accessible by chkdsk and aborts. ddrescue --force /dev/sdd4 /dev/sde3 is finished 100% with 204kb error, but the destination partition is unknown for windows,this copied one does not get letter in windows. Any more ideas ?
[15:05] <Yasuni> my other linux geusts are ubuntu 12.04 servers and never had any issue, but i want to use 14.04 because i want to upgrade ever ubuntu VM
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> Yasuni if you work with VM's alot, consider using Vagrant <-- uses vbox
[15:08] <wzx> quit .my book power is low
[15:10] <jgcampbell300> can anyone help me connect to a serial console ... 9600 Bits per second, 8 Data bits, None for Parity, 1 Stop bits and None for Flow control ... I dont know how to do it with linux
[15:11] <Yasuni> MonkeyDust: Thank you for the tip! looks very nice i will take a look at that when this server is up and running.
[15:14] <lucas-arg> where can i find NEW software for ubuntu?
[15:15] <tcak> Have you tried Software Centre?
[15:15] <lucas-arg> yeah but theres old software in there... in the repos i mean... no new software at all
[15:17] <MonkeyDust> lucas-arg for anything oytside the repos, you need a ppa or a .deb or so, but that's not supported here
[15:17] <tcak> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu Search here for PPAs by entering the name of a software. Add the PPA to source list of your Ubuntu. Update. Then you will be able to install much recent ones.
[15:17] <hor-hekenu> rato
[15:18] <hateball> !ppa
[15:18] <hor-hekenu> çklçlkçlkç
[15:19] <MonkeyDust> hor-hekenu it works, we see you
[15:26] <Liza> hello
[15:30] <tcak> Hello Liza
[15:36] <transhuman> anyone able to recommend a virus/malware/rootkit scanner for ubuntu on a virtualized system on esx?
[15:41] <MonkeyDust> transhuman rkhunter, clamav
[15:42] <transhuman> do you know is there one for vmware esxi by chance MonkeyDust?
[15:42] <transhuman> thats open source and free
[15:42] <transhuman> I will use those for my ubuntu vm's thanks
[15:45] <Grimblee> clamav is free
[15:45] <Grimblee> I think
[15:46] <Grimblee> from website: ClamAV® is the open source standard for mail gateway scanning software.
[15:47] <Grimblee> Doesn't do only mails
[15:48] <xebra> hi, it happened two times. I open a specific website and the hard disk goes "tic tac tic" with a periodic rhythm, for 1 minute or 2. Computer slows down. What could it be? HDD problems?
[15:48] <Grimblee> maybe, try to check smart
[15:49] <MonkeyDust> xebra i'm familiar with tac tic tac, but not tic tac tic
[15:49] <Grimblee> with smartctl
[15:50] <xebra> MonkeyDust, actually it might be more like "tac tic tic tac", lol. But it's weird. Only one website. Probably issues with files/sectors related to browser cache of that specific website.
[15:51] <xebra> Grimblee, I heard about smart, I guess I'll have to look into it before it's too late
[15:51] <alias__> anyone familiar with canonical landscape?
[15:51] <Grimblee> something like smartctl -H /dev/sda should show you infotmations on your drive
[15:52] <Grimblee> informations*
[15:52] <Grimblee> no -H does a check
[15:52] <Grimblee> -i for informations
[15:53] <Grimblee> Personnaly I prefer to use constructor's utility to scan hard drives, a good package of those is Hiren's Boot CD
[15:53] <Grimblee> you got seagate, WD and other hardrives scanners
[15:53] <Grimblee> and HDAT that can check any hdd
[15:54] <Grimblee> those will tell you if you've got bad sectors
[15:54] <Grimblee> and may try to repair them
[15:55] <transhuman> Grimblee, never mind my question was a follow up question about ESXi ...no place here
[15:56] <Grimblee> transhuman, ok ^^ did you try KVM/libvirt instead of ESXi ? those are free and open source :D
[15:57] <transhuman> I know, I have been using Xen, KVM, Hyper-v, ESXi, VMware Workstation, fusion and others depending on what I am doing. For this VMware is better
[15:58] <Guest3355> as
[16:00] <transhuman> what I was asking for was an antivirus scanner for ESXi. No problem I will ask where its appropriate
[16:01] <daftykins> transhuman: good idea
[16:02] <ZeD-> hi, how do i configure the interval of how often 'apt-get update' runs ? or does it run every time i install a package
[16:03] <ganymede_> ZeD-: From the GUI you can load the ‘Software’ app and look in, I think the second tab.
[16:03] <pjz> ZeD-: it doesn't run by itself, something must invoke it
[16:03] <Seveas> ZeD-: it only runs when you run it :)
[16:04] <pjz> ZeD-: update-manager or the like would be my strong suspicion; check their settings
[16:04] <daftykins> yes it does - it runs when you use auto update, or to update the updates available in the MOTD on login
[16:04] <daftykins> (SSH login)
[16:05] <ZeD-> trying to avoid gui, trying to get this templated in saltstack, so wondering where the config file is (if any) i thought this could be a cron thing
[16:05] <black_ant> Hi guys - I am running Ubuntu 15.10 in Virtualbox - I am not able to get the screen in fullscreen mode - anyone knows a workaround this?!
[16:06] <pjz> daftykins: that's called 'unattended-upgrades', and is a similarly-named package. It's not part of apt-get itself.
[16:06] <ZeD-> black_ant: did you install the virtuabox additional tools ?
[16:06] <daftykins> pjz: it's not me asking
[16:06] <daftykins> plus the net result is the same surely, package lists need updating to know there are updates?
[16:06] <black_ant> ZeD-: Yes I did with no joy.
[16:06] <Pici> ZeD-: see /etc/cron.daily/apt
[16:07] <mekhami> how do i set DNS settings in 15.10
[16:07] <mekhami> i can't handle this anymore
[16:07] <pjz> anyone having issues with HTML5 (youtube) vids on chrome not working on 14.04 ?
[16:07] <mekhami> AT&T Uverse is making it absolutely impossible to browse the web at all
[16:07] <auronandace> !resovconf | mekhami
[16:07] <sallu> hello hello
[16:08] <sallu> i am in trouble
[16:08] <auronandace> !resolvconf | mekhami
[16:08] <sallu> help me
[16:08] <sallu> sorry my friend is in trouble
[16:08] <MonkeyDust> sallu let's hear it, in one line
[16:08] <daftykins> sallu: we prefer to help directly, not through an intermediary
[16:08] <mekhami> auronandace: i have everything set in resolvconf and it doesn't work
[16:08] <sallu> he wants to double boot with ubuntu and windows
[16:08] <MonkeyDust> sallu then ask him to come to the screen
[16:09] <sallu> MonkeyDust, he has windows 10 already installed in uefi native enabled but how to install ubuntu along side
[16:09] <onto> Hi! I just upgraded to 14.04 and I want to install libsdl1.2-dev; however I am getting these errors: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a56fe9c536dcb1587fc2
[16:09] <MonkeyDust> sallu great, but we can only help when he's typing here
[16:09] <sallu> MonkeyDust, he is watching you now... reading all your messages, i am more technical than him
[16:09] <sallu> MonkeyDust, you here to help ? right
[16:09] <mekhami> also what's the command to restart network manager in 15.10?
[16:10] <daftykins> sallu: to the people direct, not via someone else - ideally. however, resize the windows drive from windows with diskmgmt.msc to make some space
[16:10] <pjz> mekhami: service networking restart maybe ?
[16:10] <sallu> daftykins, sorry i am also want the same thing. we both have hp probook 450 g2
[16:11] <daftykins> sallu: see above then
[16:11] <sallu> daftykins, i really really want to do it quickly.. i have experience with legacy mode . i have done it a lot but not in uefi
[16:12] <daftykins> sallu: no, rushing is how mistakes are made - come back when you're willing to work on it sensibly.
[16:12] <onto> Trying to install the dependencies manually results in broken packages (and similar message).
[16:12] <sallu> daftykins, i am searching searching a lot
[16:13] <sallu> daftykins, i am a serious person.. and ready to be sensible with technical issues
[16:13] <daftykins> sallu: so are you going to do what i already said?
[16:14] <sybariten> hello! quick question. Is it possoble to say, for a v14 of ubuntu, which version of openconnect i am supposed to reach through apt-get ?
[16:14] <sybariten> i got v5 myself but i would maybe need to run v6
[16:14] <pjz> sybariten: apt-cache show openconnect
[16:15] <JesusSavesMe> Hi i installed Xubuntu 14.04 LTS but i can't change brightness with Fn + brightness keys.. Only way i can change brightness is via command line using: sudo tee /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness <<< 5
[16:15] <EriC^^> sybariten: apt-cache policy openconnect , too
[16:15] <sybariten> pjz: ok! thanks! v.5 it was, and v5 i have. So now where do i look for possibilities for an upgrade.. ?
[16:16] <mekhami> i need significant help with this DNS problem. is anyone around that's knowledgable?
[16:16] <sallu_> daftykins, i don't want to shrink.. i have 80Gb space unallocated already on the same hardisk . i want to make 3 partitions
[16:16] <sybariten> EriC^^: dont really understand the policy output... what is a candidate in this case?
[16:16] <sallu_> daftykins, 1 for root, second for home and 3rd for swap
[16:16] <pjz> sybariten: have you done a pacakge-index update? 'apt-get update' ?
[16:16] <daftykins> sallu: do that from the ubuntu installer. boot a flash drive with ubuntu on, in EFI mode.
[16:16] <daftykins> sallu_: why are there two of you?
[16:16] <adrian_1908> hello. I think I may have the following bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1237904) which the follow package (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/2:1.17.2-1ubuntu9.1) is supposed to fix. However apt is unable to locate package `xorg-server`. I used the guide at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed to enable and "pin" wily-proposed updates.
[16:17] <sallu_> daftykins, ok
[16:17] <EriC^^> sybariten: it's the one that will get installed if you use apt-get install
[16:17] <sybariten> EriC^^: alrite
[16:17] <sybariten> pjz: i believe so, but let me try
[16:17] <sallu_> daftykins, HP laptops have "customized boot" option for installing along OS which is already in uefi
[16:17] <sallu_> daftykins, do you know efi path for ubuntu
[16:17] <sallu_> daftykins, i am ready to listen you now
[16:18] <daftykins> sallu_: no, don't use an EFI console... just boot it properly via a boot menu.
[16:18] <lea02> Hello, I'm facing a problem with my partitions. When checking the systeme file (from system monitor) I have a difference between the total size of my disk and the available size of my disk. I indeed made a free space when installing for a further Windows installation. However I can't see that partition, why ?
[16:18] <adrian_1908> p.s. `sudo apt-get install xorg-server/wily-proposed` is what I used, preceded by an apt-get update.
[16:18] <sallu_> daftykins, you mean boot it in as casual ?
[16:18] <daftykins> sallu_: that phrasing makes zero sense to me :)
[16:19] <sybariten> pjz: i did the update now, it is still v5 when i check the policy
[16:19] <pjz> sybariten: you might also want to enable backports and see if any upgrades are available there. Finally you can see if you can find a ppa that's more up to date and add that as a package source
[16:19] <sallu_> daftykins, what to do?
[16:19] <pjz> sybariten: what version are you looking for?
[16:20] <daftykins> sallu_: boot the flash drive...
[16:20] <daftykins> !efi | sallu_
[16:20] <sybariten> pjz: version 6
[16:20] <sallu_> daftykins, i already made bootable usb of ubuntu via universal usb installer tool, what you want me to do
[16:20] <sallu_> daftykins, boot the drive in efi ..ok
[16:20] <lea02> I am wondering, why when making a "df -h --total" it doesn't show the entire size of my disk. Even after checking with an usb stick and gparted, I didn't find out the "free partition". I hope I can get help here.
[16:20] <sybariten> pjz or 6.00218 if i wanna try and mimick the work machines exactly....
[16:20] <sallu_> daftykins, already selected uefi native option
[16:21] <daftykins> sallu_: just have a read of the above link please, no need to repeat :)
[16:21] <pjz> sybariten: oh, not 7.06?
[16:22] <sallu_> daftykins, ok
[16:22] <pjz> sybariten: There's a PPA that does daily builds: https://launchpad.net/~openconnect/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[16:22] <sybariten> pjz: well.... at work they have v6, which isnt exactly the latest as i understand. Im thinking it would be optimal to get that, to eliminate certain errors
[16:22] <pjz> sybariten: it has 7.06
[16:23] <sybariten> pjz: ok i can try v7 .... how do i start? I want to add sometning to a repo conf?
[16:23] <sallu_> daftykins,
[16:24] <sallu_> daftykins, i have 3 options here , boot mode >> legacy, uefi hybrid (with csm), uefi native ( without csm )
[16:24] <sallu_> daftykins, ???
[16:25] <pjz> sybariten: go to that page and read the link under 'read about installing'
[16:25] <daftykins> sallu_: be patient. yes, you can leave it as it is - on the last option - this is likely explained on the link i gave you, so please, give it some attention
[16:27] <sallu_> daftykins, is there any need for mentioning boot path when we choose "Customized boot"
[16:27] <sallu_> daftykins, i thought you are an expert ?
[16:27] <daftykins> sallu_: choose that where... that's not part of ubuntu
[16:28] <sallu_> daftykins, ok than if you don't want to help then its ok
[16:28] <daftykins> sallu_: is there a particular reason you feel the need to try and insult? there's no point me repeating the information that's already provided in the link i gave.
[16:29] <sallu_> daftykins, i ask a simply query that you have any knowledge of " customized boot " option
[16:29] <sybariten> pjz: well thats logical :) anywho they present the information a bit dubiously ... there is both talk about the ppa adress and they also present it as a normal http adress
[16:30] <daftykins> sallu_: and i'm asking where you see that, since every systems EFI is different and i can't see what you're doing...
[16:31] <sybariten> should i use this line "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openconnect/daily/ubuntu trusty main" with add-apt-reposityry, or by manually adding to a conf file? The add-apt-repository examples i see are with different adresses
[16:31] <onto> I am also getting an error: "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL" when trying to compile melt
[16:31] <sybariten> and without trusty main
[16:31] <sallu_> daftykins, oh ok, but Hp have some kind of rather irritated hard coded path for efi allocation
[16:32] <daftykins> sallu_: normally those don't have to be fought with just to get the flash drive booted, however windows related entries such as fast boot and secure boot may need disabling for an ubuntu flash drive to start... this is all covered in the EFI link i already shared :)
[16:34] <sallu_> daftykins, yeah i know
[16:34] <sallu_> daftykins, check this link, i have this link for more than a month lolx.. its complete explaination of my issue http://fomori.org/blog/?p=892
[16:35] <daftykins> sallu_: getting it installed is the main task, resolving the boot aspects can be done later
[16:39] <sybariten> ok solved the ppa thing
[16:39] <sybariten> i didnt read too well
[16:40] <free29> Hello there
[16:45] <adrian_1908> Ok I'll give this another shot. I'm looking for help with an Xorg package. If you check the following link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1237904 in post #24 there's an announcement from a week ago that a fixed xorg package would be made available in wily-proposed. I'm trying to install that package. I think it's called 'xserver-xorg' in binary form.
[16:54] <joey_> Greeting Ubuntu Community, I was wondering, is there a way to have Ubuntu 15.04 with the Ubuntu 10.10 look?
[16:54] <daftykins> get ubuntu MATE
[16:54] <joey_> My computer can't handle the new graphical look
[16:55] <MonkeyDust> joey_ try MATE
[16:55] <daftykins> or xubuntu, or lubuntu... which are both lighter weight
[16:55] <joey_> will it work even with a computer with about 128MB worth of graphic memory
[16:57] <MonkeyDust> !lubuntu | joey_
[16:57] <daftykins> joey_: yes.
[16:58] <daftykins> joey_: what is the rest of the spec? i.e. CPU and RAM?
[16:58] <joey_> hmm ok, but I love the way Ubuntu 10.10 runs and feels. I wish I could continue to get updates with that OS
[16:58] <joey_> because my computer is crap
[16:58] <daftykins> joey_: you should pick lubuntu or xubuntu 14.04 perhaps, for LTS goodness - no point chasing latest versions
[16:59] <UbuN2> hello guys ... and daftykins doo you ever rest your always helping out .
[16:59] <daftykins> :)
[16:59] <MonkeyDust> UbuN2 daftykins is only a bot, please don't think he's intelligent
[17:00] <UbuN2> he is a ne of a kind person rare to find helpers this good tbh .
[17:00] <UbuN2> one*
[17:01] <daftykins> you are too kind; but there are plenty of volunteers here far far better, i just dabble
[17:01] <daftykins> so any questions today, UbuN2 ?
[17:01] <UbuN2> just gonna observe and learn as usually thanks i will ask if im in a pickle lol
[17:02] <daftykins> ok :)
[17:02] <UbuN2> :))
[17:03] <joey_> It has a Dual Core 1.9Ghz AMD CPU, 2GB of RAM, I think 128MB of Video RAM
[17:03] <daftykins> joey_: mmm, it'd definitely benefit from lu or xubuntu then
[17:03] <joey_> it's the AMD Athion 64bit
[17:03] <RyanTG> If you're trying to play some games on older hardware with Ubuntu I've found installing Gnome-panel and Metacity works really well at speeding up rendering performance.
[17:03] <joey_> or yeah?
[17:03] <joey_> It ran Ubuntu 10.10 great
[17:04] <daftykins> sometimes there just comes a time when you have to throw these things out and pick up even a 250 GBP system which'll blow something like that away
[17:04] <joey_> I have a 120GB SSD in there as well
[17:05] <joey_> is there a way that I can install the theme from ubuntu 10.10 on the current Linux Mint 17.2 that I'm on?
[17:06] <joey_> is there a way that I can install the theme from ubuntu 10.10 on the current Linux Mint 17.2 that I'm on?
[17:08] <nicomachus> you got Mint 17 on that machine?
[17:08] <daftykins> joey_: we don't help with Mint in anyway, shape or form
[17:09] <joey_> oh yeah duh
[17:09] <daftykins> !mint | joey_
[17:09] <joey_> haha sorry
[17:09] <daftykins> that's their IRC network and channel ^
[17:10] <Guest63818> hi guys, when will ubuntu 16.04 freeze new packages?
[17:10] <daftykins> Guest63818: well it'll come out in April so... probably a ways off, questions in #ubuntu+1 of upcoming versions though please
[17:12] <edubunt> hello everyone, my system install is extremely slow. it got stuck where it says 'almost finished copying files...'. it is repeating the lines about pulseaudio, I guess it was something like 'cant find autospawn lock' (cant see it now as it is too slow to open the terminal view)..should I stop the install? would it damage the rest of the system, like other OS on drive or grub etc..?
[17:14] <daftykins> edubunt: damage? no, unlikely
[17:15] <adrian_1908> edubunt: It would only leave the areas you're installing over "damaged". But not unaffected OSes or partitions.
[17:15] <edubunt> I mean, whether grub gets messed up because install is interrupted
[17:15] <daftykins> you're so early on, just blitz it and start over?
[17:15] <daftykins> maybe md5 your download ISO / check your media is good
[17:16] <adrian_1908> did you reach the grub stage yet? isn't that usually the very latest step after all file copying is done?
[17:17] <edubunt> I didnt know the order. but if it's early and safe, I'd do it
[17:18] <bubbles> is abiword good? or can i remove it?
[17:18] <bubbles> it got installed automatically when i installed some desktop environment
[17:18] <edubunt> thank you for your help, gotta reboot now
[17:24] <bubbles> !test |bubbles
[17:24] <DrGrov> Running Linux Mint 17, but I do need some help to reset my dad's root password.
[17:24] <daftykins> !mint | DrGrov sorry we don't help with Mint, ask the Mint folks
[17:25] <DrGrov> Would really appreciate it if someone would like to help
[17:25] <DrGrov> daftykins: Thank you.
[17:26] <pjz> anyone have hints on how to get video working again in google-chrome on xubuntu 14.04 ? It broke on my last update.
[17:27] <daftykins> what kind of video?
[17:27] <pjz> daftykins: youtube
[17:27] <pjz> daftykins: HTML5 vids
[17:27] <pjz> they just show a static starting image
[17:27] <daftykins> test a clean profile first
[17:28] <bubbles> does only youtube not work?
[17:28] <pjz> no, afaict nothing works anymore
[17:29] <daftykins> could be graphics driver related, if you know your graphics hardware?
[17:29] <pjz> nvidia
[17:29] <pjz> hm, good point
[17:30] <pjz> I'm on 14.04 if that matters
[17:30] <bubbles> if you have any video on computer you can test if it plays by typing file:/// in address bar and then going to the video
[17:31] <lotus|xenial> pjz: you know your cards chipset?
[17:31] <pjz> bubbles: hm. that failed too.
[17:32] <daftykins> pjz: "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[17:32] <pjz> VIDIA Corporation GT216GLM [Quadro FX 880M] (rev a2)
[17:33] <pjz> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13349488/
[17:33] <oberststen> Hello I'm currently using ProFTPD Version 1.3.5rc3 on Ubuntu 14.04, everytime that I reboot, proftpd starts running, but at some point, randomly it stops, if i start it again, at some point it goes off again, anyone knows that could be causing this? The logs are empty
[17:34] <bubbles> and normally the video plays in the video player?
[17:34] <pjz> bubbles: vlc plays it fine
[17:34] <daftykins> pjz: test the guest session, so as to avoid your user's chrome profile.
[17:34] <joey_> Thanks for all your help! I'm gonna go try this Ubuntu 10.10 theme thing
[17:35] <bubbles> vlc is different thing altogether, it almost always plays anything
[17:35] <pjz> daftykins: I tried google-chrome --user-data-dir=/tmp/chrome-profile
[17:35] <bubbles> try the default video player
[17:35] <pjz> bubbles: oh, you mean the video player in chrome? or what?
[17:35] <bubbles> pjz, totem player
[17:36] <lunix> hola una pregunta como formateo una usb en xubunto 1.4
[17:36] <lotus|xenial> !es | lunix
[17:36] <daftykins> pjz: ok but give it a try anyway
[17:36] <daftykins> pjz: it'll rule out anything that could've gone wrong with your user account, too
[17:36] <lunix> hola una pregunta como formateo una usb en xubuntu
[17:36] <Guest27250> i have installed ubuntu on my computer a while ago now i want to install it on my usb drive, where is the "install ubuntu" located after i have finished installing on my computer
[17:37] <oberststen> lunix: Te están respondiendo que aquí SOLO SE HABLA EN INGLÉS, si quieres que te respondan en español ve al canal #ubuntu-es
[17:37] <lunix> hola una pregunta como formateo una usb en xubuntu
[17:37] <daftykins> Guest27250: there isn't one
[17:37] <pjz> bubbles: I don't have totem installed
[17:37] <Guest27250> daftykins, how can i install ubuntu on my usb drive in ubuntu?
[17:37] <ppalmieri> hi, im using 10.10 desktop, just upgraded and im using a pair of bluetooth headphones.. There used to be a duplex/stereo drop down seelctor in soudn settings and now its gone, which is what used to be the problem when i connected the headphones.. is there another way to make this connection use stereo?
[17:38] <SchrodingersScat> !10.10 | ppalmieri
[17:38] <daftykins> ppalmieri: you can't mean 10.10, it's been dead for years
[17:38] <bubbles> pjz, so lets assume only chrome is faulty
[17:38] <ppalmieri> sorry... 15.10
[17:38] <ppalmieri> stupid fingers
[17:38] <daftykins> Guest27250: not sure, maybe you can install ubiquity which is the installer
[17:38] <pjz> bubbles: well, but chromium isn't playing either
[17:38] <daftykins> !info ubiquity
[17:39] <Guest27250> lmfao thx
[17:39] <Guest27250> but it dont copy my already installed ubuntu on that drive right?
[17:39] <Guest27250> just want a clean version
[17:40] <bubbles> pjz, oh wait, did you press f12
[17:40] <daftykins> Guest27250: of course not
[17:40] <bubbles> pjz, the console in chrome might show what the error is
[17:40] <daftykins> Guest27250: fwiw i wouldn't recommend running from a flash drive at all; definitely don't create a swap partition
[17:40] <Guest27250> daftykins, i need it for traveling
[17:41] <Guest27250> daftykins, cant take my pc with me
[17:41] <daftykins> ok
[17:41] <bubbles> Guest27250, yo i have ubuntu on flash 3.0 device
[17:41] <vishap> hey ppl of ubuntu. i use other distributions, however right now i am trying to help someone to upgraie it's trusty.
[17:41] <daftykins> vishap: we prefer to deal directly, not go through other people - it makes life unnecessarily hard.
[17:42] <Guest27250> daftykins, i can make a swap partition on my 500gb hard drive
[17:42] <daftykins> Guest27250: which won't be there when you leave, so boot will fail
[17:42] <vishap> do-release-upgrade downloads vivid, not unicorn.
[17:42] <vishap> is it ok?
[17:42] <daftykins> vishap: utopic = 14.10 which is EOL, dead.
[17:42] <Guest27250> daftykins, so what is the best option to use linux on a usb drive?
[17:42] <drnapster> quick question. i have tested this in unity and mate across 4 computers and when i install an app i have to reboot before it will show up in the application list please tell me there is a fix
[17:42] <Guest27250> daftykins, tails is supported on a drive lol
[17:43] <daftykins> vishap: 14.04 doesn't go directly to 15.04, that'll likely fail - did you hand edit sources.list ?
[17:43] <daftykins> Guest27250: Sonic the Hedgehog's companion?
[17:43] <Guest27250> lol
[17:43] <vishap> no i just run do-release-upgrade.
[17:43] <bubbles> got to go, adios all
[17:44] <vishap> before i've tried release-manager -d but in failed.
[17:44] <vishap> window closes.
[17:44] <daftykins> Guest27250: just select manual partitioning in the installer, put no swap on the flash drive and be sure to select it as the device to put GRUB on
[17:44] <vishap> update-manager, sorry
[17:44] <daftykins> vishap: no, -d is to move to the latest development release, don't do that :)
[17:44] <daftykins> vishap: 14.04 is LTS, why does this person want to move to non-LTS?
[17:45] <vishap> hm, how to go to unicorn so that i can go to vivid later?
[17:45] <vishap> he wants vivid
[17:45] <Guest27250> daftykins, thanks for you help but does ubiquity install a clean version on my disk or is it installing my already installed ubuntu on that?
[17:45] <daftykins> !eolupgrade | vishap have a read here
[17:46] <daftykins> Guest27250: i already answered that.
[17:46] <Guest27250> you didnt
[17:46] <daftykins> i did
Guest27250: of course not
[17:46] <Guest27250> of course not what?
[17:46] <SchrodingersScat> Guest27250: you could also make a virtualmachine that reads the livecd image, give it access to your USB device, let it install to usb. and variations of that.
[17:46] <vishap> so i cannot go to vivid?
[17:46] * daftykins facepalms
[17:46] <Guest27250> SchrodingersScat, pc to slow for that thx
[17:47] <daftykins> vishap: if your friend is on 14.04 right now, you must go to 14.10 via the eolupgrade link above, then to 15.04.
[17:47] <vishap> thank you.
[17:47] <daftykins> vishap: however leaving LTS i would not advise
[17:47] <pjz> Guest27250: daftykins said that in response to your question < Guest27250> but it dont copy my already installed ubuntu on that drive right?
[17:47] <adrian_1908> Guest27250: you pop in a CD and point the installer to your stick. Why would it involve your harddrive data?
[17:47] <paws> hello, I am trying to connect to ubuntu's ftp server (vsftp) and i am asked to enter my username and password, i do it and than it does not connect me... why is it doing this?
[17:48] <daftykins> adrian_1908: no this is installing ubiquity atop an install, to skip using media
[17:48] <Guest27250> pjz, thank you sir
[17:48] <Guest27250> daftykins, thanks for your help
[17:48] <drnapster> quick question. i have tested this in unity and mate across 4 computers and when i install an app i have to reboot before it will show up in the application list please tell me there is a fix
[17:48] <Guest27250> cya all
[17:48] <adrian_1908> daftykins: oh ok, I wasn't aware. my had.
[17:48] <daftykins> paws: the logs should say, maybe that user does not exist - you need to create some, it doesn't use system users already
[17:48] <daftykins> paws: sure SFTP/SCP wouldn't have been more useful?
[17:49] <paws> agh it has to be ftp
[17:49] <paws> let me check my logs brb
[17:50] <k1n12> hii
[17:51] <teemo> in bash how do I repeat a command until it suceeds?
[17:51] <k1n12> hola?
[17:51] <teemo> inb4 !list
[17:51] <daftykins> teemo: such as what?
[17:52] <teemo> e.g. curl, until the file becomes available remotely
[17:52] <teemo> that's not what I'm doing but that's a good example
[17:52] <daftykins> would you not just be patient :)
[17:52] <teemo> that's not what I'm doing but that's a good example
[17:52] <teemo> I do specifically need to do this
[17:53] <teemo> I need to go home and I can't have this command just be looping all night
[17:53] <teemo> But at some point in the next hour it will work
[17:53] <teemo> I need it to keep trying until it works, and then quit
[17:53] <teemo> or at least stop
[17:54] <teemo> until command; do echo "failed"; done
[17:54] <teemo> got it ^
[17:54] <teemo> thanks rubber ducks
[17:54] <drnapster> i have tested this in unity and mate across 4 computers and when i install an app i have to reboot before it will show up in the application list please tell me there is a fix
[17:58] <drnapster> :( ok then
[17:58] <growlingflea> Hello all this is my first irc message
[18:05] <bindi> is there a realtime kernel for 15.10 in the official repos? or some semi-official ppa?
[18:05] <lotus|xenial> !mainline | bindi
[18:06] <bindi> there's no realtime there, lotus|xenial
[18:06] <bindi> I only see generic and lowlatency
[18:06] <BluesKaj> bindi, or even daily builds
[18:07] <moyan> exit
[18:13] <pjz> wow, okay, it must ahve been my ugprade of the nvidia drivers
[18:13] <pjz> which fscked everything
[18:13] <pjz> b/c video works after purging them
[18:13] <pjz> I'm guessing I'm on the vesa drivers now
[18:14] <lotus|xenial> pjz: if you have an nvidia card, you need an nvidia driver
[18:15] <pjz> oh, looks like I'm on the nouveau driver now
[18:15] <lotus|xenial> pjz: did you check your additional drivers list?
[18:15] <lotus|xenial> pjz: ah ok good, try a 1080p youtube to test
[18:19] <pjz> hm, can't fina a 1080p one, but eh 720p ones work
[18:19] <pjz> but it can't see my exteernal monitor
[18:19] <pjz> (i;m on a laptop)
[18:19] <pjz> I guess I get to reinstall the nvidia driver(s)
[18:19] <lotus|xenial> !xrandr | pjz
[18:20] <lotus|xenial> pjz: you have a hdmi external monitor or vga/dvi?
[18:21] <Guest51949> 1
[18:22] <pjz> lotus|xenial: displayport
[18:22] <lotus|xenial> !info arandr | pjz try this perhaps
[18:22] <RafasnbBR> someone uses the ubuntu 15:10 on 10 parallels for mac?
[18:24] <lotus|xenial> RafasnbBR: ask your issue with it to the channel, you never know who can solve it
[18:24] <adrian_1908> Can I remove the file Xauthority in /run/user/1000/ ?
[18:25] <RafasnbBR> lotus|xenial: I can not solve the problem of installing the parallels-tools ...
[18:28] <linuxboytoo> Hey everyone - I have a script I need to run once until it exits with a 0 exit code. I am been messing with upstart for a while and can't get the right combination. I want the service to run in the background and then keep respawning the script until it completes successfully. I don't want the service waiting to start to block execution
[18:32] <juniorRubyist> Hello
[18:32] <juniorRubyist> hi there
[18:33] <lotus|xenial> juniorRubyist: you joined an ubuntu support channel
[18:33] <juniorRubyist> I think Xubuntu is awesome.
[18:33] <oberststen> He just want friends
[18:34] <lotus|xenial> !discuss | juniorRubyist
[18:34] <juniorRubyist> Alright!
[18:37] <CptRageToaster> booting while holding left Shift dumps me into grub's boot menu... right?
[18:37] <CptRageToaster> 14.04
[18:37] <lotus|xenial> CptRageToaster: yes
[18:37] <CptRageToaster> tyvm
[18:38] <adrian_1908> might be ESC actually, try.
[18:41] <kingjere> A look at my logs shows someone trying to log into my server via ssh as root. Is my server more likely a target of opportunity or is it more likely a chosen target?
[18:43] <k1l_> kingjere: disable root login at first. login from a user and use sudo if needed. then install fail2ban. which will block ip adresses that try to often wrong passwords.
[18:43] <k1l_> kingjere: we cant know if you server was just a random number or a target from someone. we dont know how many enemies you got :)
[18:44] <renn0xtk9> all when I do locale I got LANG=en_DE.UTF-8
[18:44] <renn0xtk9> i want to change ti to en_US.UTF-9
[18:45] <renn0xtk9> 8 sorry, how shoudl i do
[18:45] <k1l_> renn0xtk9: are you german speaking?
[18:45] <k1l_> en_DE is a funny combination :)
[18:45] <akik> renn0xtk9: look into /etc/default/locale
[18:46] <renn0xtk9> k1l_ It was set in german indeed but I wan everything in US now . Indeed I don't know where it comes from, I changed the language from German to english in the settings of KDE
[18:47] <kingjere> k1l_: root login is disabled. I am looking at fail2ban now.
[18:47] <akik> kubuntu is funny in a way. during install it asks about my keyboard but changes the locale according to those settings
[18:47] <renn0xtk9> akik well there it stands en_US.UTF-8
[18:47] <k1l_> renn0xtk9: run "sudo locale-gen en_US" and "sudo locale-gen en_US-UTF8" then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales"
[18:50] <renn0xtk9> k1l_ all three done but still got this: http://pastebin.com/TLGrc8tK
[18:50] <k1l_> renn0xtk9: so it seems like LANG is set somewhere else
[18:50] <mekhami> how can i tell what clipboard manager i'm currently using
[18:51] <k1l_> sudo update-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8
[18:52] <Apteryx> Dooes anyone know how to match my Apple Magic Mouse (bluetooth) inside a Xorg conf (using MatchProduct) or something along that?
[18:52] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: I just got a new USB stick. What do I format it as to be able to move files between my Ubuntu box and my Windows box?
[18:53] <Apteryx> VictoriaXOXO: Either NTFS (recommended if its > than 4GB) or good old FAT32
[18:53] <lotus|xenial> VictoriaXOXO: ntfs for files larger then 4gig
[18:54] <VictoriaXOXO> Apteryx: lotus|xenial: Okay, NTFS it is. Thanks. :)
[18:54] <renn0xtk9> it does not work :S
[18:54] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: nfts is fine
[18:55] <k1l_> its not the fastest solution on linux, but at least windows works best with it :)
[18:55] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: And using GParted to format it is fine?
[18:56] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: honestly i did not think that much about formating a usb so far, so i just used what came up first. but gparted is fine.
[18:57] <renn0xtk9> I try to restart the pc, see if that does it
[18:57] <jayjo> is there a way to copy all of the output from a GNU screen to a file?
[18:57] <lotus|xenial> VictoriaXOXO: gparted is pretty nice, formats devices even with problems
[18:58] <free29> jayyo
[18:58] <jayjo> I used hardcopy -h <filename> but it only copied the visible buffer
[18:58] <jayjo> I want to scroll the whole way up
[18:58] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Uh. This stick is "new" as in "new for me" (from sister). GParted wants me to create a partition table(?) and gives me a list. What do I choose?
[18:58] <free29> has used screenhot app?
[18:58] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: some msdos thing will do.
[18:58] <lotus|xenial> free29: you search a screenshot app?
[18:58] <free29> have u tried screenshot app?
[18:58] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: msdos it is.
[18:58] <akik> jayjo: ctrl+a shift+h <- that creates a screenlog.0 in your home dir
[18:58] <kingjere> I guess that is what is refferred to as a script kiddie.
[18:59] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: vsync issues gone? :) i have fixed mine, yay
[18:59] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: here is a pictured how to with the "disks" utility http://askubuntu.com/questions/68809/how-to-format-a-usb-or-external-drive
[19:01] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: Yes, it's GONE! :D :D
[19:02] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Thanks. Using GParted to format it as ntfs, it changed name from /dev/sdb to /dev/sdb1. Is that normal?
[19:02] <Mati89> VictoriaXOXO: good to hear, well done
[19:02] <renn0xtk9> so I have to declare ubuntu officially not able to change the LANG option .,,,
[19:02] <VictoriaXOXO> Mati89: :D
[19:03] <akik> jayjo: if you want to write the current copy buffer to file: ctrl+a : then hardcopy -h logfile
[19:03] <nicomachus> renn0xtk9: what do you mean?
[19:03] <akik> jayjo: it's hard to write this :) separately "ctrl+a" ":" "hardcopy -h logfile"
[19:04] <renn0xtk9> nicomachus well I have LANG=en_DE.UTF-8 impossible to change it to en_US.UTF-8
[19:05] <akik> renn0xtk9: did you look into your home dir if e.g. you have the locale variables defined in .bashrc ?
[19:05] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Thanks. Using GParted to format it as ntfs, it changed name from /dev/sdb to /dev/sdb1. Is that normal?
[19:06] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: yes
[19:06] <JesusSavesMe> hi
[19:06] <renn0xtk9> yeah I did
[19:06] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Perfect. Hey, k1l_. Can I ask you a question in pm? It should be quick and easy.
[19:06] <JesusSavesMe> GOD BLESS YOU!
[19:07] <k1l_> renn0xtk9: look into /etc/environment , .profile , .bashrc , .bash_profile
[19:07] <nicomachus> JesusSavesMe: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[19:07] <nicomachus> !pm | VictoriaXOXO
[19:08] <k1l_> locales is still a mess when it goes bad :X some day some one should fix that :)
[19:09] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: you can ask it in here
[19:10] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: It's private... Forget about it. :P
[19:10] <renn0xtk9> k1_l nothing in those
[19:11] <akik> renn0xtk9: create a new user and see what locale it gets
[19:13] <k1l_> renn0xtk9: sudo update-locale LANG="en_US.UTF-8" LANGUAGE="en_US" then sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[19:15] <k1l_> renn0xtk9: look into /etc/default/locale and .pam_environment
[19:15] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: /dev/sdx = disk, sdx1 = partition 1
[19:15] <k1l_> did i say locales are a mess on linux? o_O
[19:15] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: So perfectly normal?
[19:16] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: you can't have a file system without a partition, yes.
[19:16] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Okay, great. I'll just leave it then.
[19:17] <renn0xtk9> new users locale is en_US.UTF-8 for everything
[19:18] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: daftykins: Two more questions. 1. Is it normal that 68,5 MB is used after a clean format? 2. How do I rename the USB stick after it gets mounted?
[19:18] <daftykins> yes with NTFS, that's the file system journal
[19:18] <daftykins> mount point name or volume name?
[19:19] <VictoriaXOXO> Uhm. The name that shows up on the desktop when mounting it. Is that the... volume name?
[19:19] <unlevin> ))
[19:19] <Mati89> right click -> rename? ;)
[19:19] <JesusSavesMe> Hi i want to install older linux kernel but it says: dependency not satisfiable
[19:20] <VictoriaXOXO> Rename... is grayed out.
[19:20] <akik> renn0xtk9: so you're closing in on the solution :)
[19:20] <daftykins> type "mount" in the terminal
[19:20] <Mati89> hm, if you unmount it first?
[19:20] <lotus|xenial> JesusSavesMe: what are you trying to do?
[19:20] <akik> renn0xtk9: try "grep -r -i lang $HOME" if it returns any matches
[19:20] <JesusSavesMe> lotus|xenial, install kernel
[19:21] <lotus|xenial> JesusSavesMe: wich one on wich ubuntu version??
[19:21] <JesusSavesMe> lotus|xenial, older
[19:21] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: /dev/sdb1 on /media/anon/backupstick type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096)
[19:21] <akik> renn0xtk9: it can also be a variable called LC_ALL which changes multiple variables at once
[19:21] <lotus|xenial> !details | JesusSavesMe
[19:21] <JesusSavesMe> lotus|xenial, older kernel
[19:21] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: and you want to change what, "backupstick" ?
[19:22] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Yeah.
[19:22] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: "sudo umount /dev/sdb1" then go use the disk utility perhaps
[19:22] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Okay.
[19:23] <lotus|xenial> !mainline | JesusSavesMe
[19:23] <akik> VictoriaXOXO: it's the volume label
[19:23] <renn0xtk9> akik there are loads of matches but I find this line intersting:
[19:23] <JesusSavesMe> lotus|xenial, nevermind i solved
[19:23] <renn0xtk9> $HOME/.kde/share/apps/kconf_update/log/update.log:2015-11-15T12:33:54 [Script] LANG = "en_DE.UTF-8"
[19:23] <renn0xtk9> < any idea wtf
[19:24] <akik> renn0xtk9: sorry, no
[19:24] <renn0xtk9> Allright lets give up on that and go to something harder.:
[19:24] <renn0xtk9> Anybody an idea why logkeys is not outputing anything at all ?
[19:25] <akik> renn0xtk9: if you don't find a way to set it, you can reset your kde settings by renaming .kde to .kde.bak. kde will recreate it with default settings
[19:26] <akik> renn0xtk9: unless the default settings include en_DE :)
[19:26] <mekhami> i have some extremely weird stuff going on. everyone's dead in freenode so i have nowhere to really ask questions, but.. I'm using i3 wm, terminator, base16 color scheme. if i source my zshrc that enables 256 colors, cool, everything works. but if i switch windows to another terminal, it goes back to the default. i'm so confused.
[19:27] <renn0xtk9> akik that would not suprise me being given the "rigourous" developement of KDE I see some times ;)
[19:27] <renn0xtk9> hwo can I know which one is my keyboard among all the /dev/input/eventY ?
[19:29] <akik> renn0xtk9: wild guess, look into /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:29] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: I had to unmount it in GParted and change the "Label" option.
[19:29] <daftykins> that's essentially what i said.
[19:30] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Yeah. Well, it's all done now. XD
[19:30] <daftykins> then all is well with the world!
[19:30] <VictoriaXOXO> Yeah! :D
[19:31] <VictoriaXOXO> Just one more (one more really annoying) PC-related problem, but that has nothing to do with this channel.
[19:31] <nicomachus> renn0xtk9: mine is event6. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:32] <daftykins> sort the tearing out yet?
[19:32] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Yeah, it's gone now. Finally.
[19:32] <renn0xtk9> thanks akik mine is 8
[19:32] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: which method worked?
[19:33] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: You won't like it. I had to choose the latest (recommended) driver AND change a line or two in xorg.conf. Don't hurt me.
[19:33] <daftykins> which specifically...
[19:33] <VictoriaXOXO> But it works, for now. So I'll leave it till it breaks.
[19:34] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: I would have to look it up and come back.
[19:34] <daftykins> or just pastebin the file
[19:35] <VictoriaXOXO> daftykins: Let me feel relaxed for at least a day or two before you butcher my xorg.conf file. XD
[19:35] <VictoriaXOXO> I don't want to hear "DO NOT USE THAT!".
[19:35] <daftykins> i want to know what's in it in case someone comes in with the same query again
[19:35] <daftykins> but apparently that is too much to ask, forget it.
[19:35] <panic_station> #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:36] <akik> renn0xtk9: you can use "xinput" to list the devices
[19:36] <VictoriaXOXO> No, panic_station. We are done now.
[19:36] <VictoriaXOXO> I can sort it out with daftykins later.
[19:36] <panic_station> i mistyped, sorry
[19:36] <nicomachus> VictoriaXOXO: I think he was trying to join that channel.
[19:36] <daftykins> VictoriaXOXO: that user just joined so has nothing to do with the convo.
[19:36] <panic_station> exactly
[19:36] <VictoriaXOXO> Oh, sorry.
[19:36] <VictoriaXOXO> XD
[19:36] <panic_station> sorry bout that
[19:36] <VictoriaXOXO> Sorry.
[19:37] <panic_station> what topic are we discussing at the moment?
[19:37] <VictoriaXOXO> Last 10 minutes have been pretty quiet. Just me rambling, but I'll shut up now.
[19:38] <OerHeks> panic_station, you just read it on top.
[19:38] <OerHeks> Do you have an ubuntu support question?
[19:38] <daftykins> all day long it's support, then at night... all night long support!
[19:38] <nicomachus> but is it day or night?
[19:38] <daftykins> both and neither
[19:39] <panic_station> so then, anyone else use PCSX on Trusty 14.04
[19:39] <lotus|xenial> 24/7 support here
[19:39] <nicomachus> so existential
[19:39] <panic_station> cause im running into a peculiar issue
[19:39] <theunkn0wn> #opiceisis
[19:40] <daftykins> theunkn0wn: ?
[19:40] <lotus|xenial> theunkn0wn: i think you want #opparis
[19:40] <theunkn0wn> Yea lol
[19:40] <theunkn0wn> what server is that mate
[19:40] <theunkn0wn> it wont let me join it
[19:40] <VictoriaXOXO> anonnet?
[19:41] <OerHeks> theunkn0wn, maybe you need to register with Freenode
[19:41] <OerHeks> !register
[19:41] <theunkn0wn> Its let me in now
[19:41] <nicomachus> enjoy...
[19:41] <OerHeks> oke solved then
[19:41] <theunkn0wn> Thanks :D
[19:41] <OerHeks> don't bother us with that.
[19:41] <renn0xtk9> somebody has ever used logkeys I can't manage to get a proper output
[19:42] <nicomachus> renn0xtk9: what kind of output are you looking for?
[19:42] <nicomachus> and did you set the logfile location?
[19:43] <renn0xtk9> nichomachus no but I look at /var/log/logkeys.log
[19:43] <juniorRubyist> I need help setting up an IRC server on Ubuntu Desktop
[19:43] <renn0xtk9> it is writting things but It seems like the character do not correspond
[19:43] <renn0xtk9> I have a USB (extermal) keybaord on a laptop
[19:43] <nicomachus> renn0xtk9: you need to specify a log location. see this post for more info: https://askubuntu.com/questions/14312/how-to-run-logkeys
[19:45] <fusioned> if anyone uses PCSX or ePSXe on Ubuntu Trusty, please send me a DM. id like to go over some things
[19:45] <juniorRubyist> Could I please get some help on building an IRC server?
[19:45] <lotus|xenial> juniorRubyist: find a specific ircd software channel
[19:45] <OerHeks> juniorRubyist, more a question for #ubuntu-server
[19:45] <renn0xtk9> nichomachus yeah but that is not quite the problem, the issu is : I get üy܀ȁq܂aszdfgcu when typing abcdefgh.....
[19:45] <lotus|xenial> !alis | juniorRubyist
[19:46] <juniorRubyist> I am wanting to do it on Ubuntu Desktop
[19:46] <nicomachus> renn0xtk9: well you didn't say that. You said you weren't getting output.
[19:46] <dprophecyguy> Setting up runit (2.1.2-3ubuntu1) ... start: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused dpkg: error processing package runit (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of git-daemon-run: git-daemon-run depends on runit; however: Package runit is not configured yet. dpkg: error
[19:46] <renn0xtk9> yeah with the source compiled version, now I uninstalled and am using those from packages, sorry for not mentionning it
[19:47] <dprophecyguy> i can't install git on my ubuntu 15.04
[19:47] <dprophecyguy> any body help
[19:47] <dprophecyguy> i am getting this error
[19:47] <juniorRubyist> I could try to.
[19:47] <dprophecyguy> Setting up runit (2.1.2-3ubuntu1) ... start: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused dpkg: error processing package runit (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of git-daemon-run: git-daemon-run depends on runit; however: Package runit is not configured yet. dpkg: error
[19:47] <OerHeks> renn0xtk9, read that url, it handles howto get the right keyboard support
[19:47] <juniorRubyist> dprophecyguy
[19:47] <daftykins> dprophecyguy: please do not spam with the enter key so much, paste in channel... or repeat regularly
[19:48] <lotus|xenial> juniorRubyist: apt-cache search ircd
[19:48] <nicomachus> renn0xtk9: yes, what OerHeks said. You need to set your keymap.
[19:48] <dprophecyguy> daftykins: do you know any solution to the problem
[19:48] <juniorRubyist> Try restarting your computer, enter Recovery from GRUB and choose dpkg
[19:48] <theunkn0wn> Anyone know a good Anon email service to use free?
[19:48] <lotus|xenial> !ot | theunkn0wn
[19:48] <juniorRubyist> fmail.com?
[19:49] <renn0xtk9> OerHeks which url ?
[19:49] <daftykins> dprophecyguy: it wasn't described well.
[19:49] <nicomachus> dprophecyguy: try `sudo dpkg --configure -a`
[19:49] <OerHeks> renn0xtk9, read back?
[19:49] <juniorRubyist> dprophecyguy what nicomachus said will work
[19:49] <OerHeks> especially the lines with your name in it :-)
[19:50] <dprophecyguy> here is the error i am getting while installing git on my ubuntu 15.04
[19:50] <dprophecyguy> Setting up runit (2.1.2-3ubuntu1) ... start: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused dpkg: error processing package runit (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of git-daemon-run: git-daemon-run depends on runit; however: Package runit is not configured yet. dpkg: error
[19:50] <nicomachus> shoot, dprophecyguy: --reconfigure, not --configure
[19:50] <dfinninger> alright... this question might get a little dicey... but I'm writing an app for 14.04 - should I use Upstart, SysV, or Systemd to control the service?
[19:51] <dfinninger> I know that 15.04 swapped out the init system for Systemd - just looking for something that will be maintainable into the future
[19:51] <MonsieurBon> Hi
[19:52] <daftykins> dprophecyguy: please stop the repetition
[19:52] <OerHeks> dfinninger, do both, upstart & systemD
[19:52] <bekks> dfinninger: 14.04 uses upstart and is supported for 5 years.
[19:52] <MonsieurBon> Does anyone know how to change the from email address for logcheck?
[19:52] <dprophecyguy> nicomachus : can you explain it how to --reconfigure i am new with ubuntu
[19:53] <juniorRubyist> sudo dpkg --reconfigure -a
[19:53] <dprophecyguy> daftykins : you said it wasn't describe well
[19:53] <nicomachus> dprophecyguy: in a terminal, type in: sudo dpkg --reconfigure -a
[19:53] <nicomachus> then try to install again
[19:53] <dfinninger> OerHeks, bekks: alright, I've got experience with Upstart, I'll do that, thanks
[19:53] <renn0xtk9> OerHeks Sorry can't see where you post an url :S i don't understand
[19:54] <dprophecyguy> nicomachus : thanks a lot mate
[19:54] <nicomachus> renn0xtk9: the URL i sent you. here is another: https://askubuntu.com/questions/136782/logkeys-not-working-in-12-04
[19:54] <OerHeks> renn0xtk9, i just cleared my screen, sorry, i did not post it
[19:54] <Yaiyan> I'm installing kubuntu, and doing the partitioning
[19:54] <juniorRubyist> Yaiyan are you doing dualboot?
[19:55] <Yaiyan> I didn't touch anything on /dev/sdb in the dialog at all, but when I press "install now", it says the swap partition on sdb is being formatted
[19:55] <Yaiyan> juniorRubyist, well, after partitioning this it's somewhat more than dualboot, but yeah
[19:57] <Yaiyan> Is it normal for it to be formatting swap on another disk, when I didn't change the settings for that at all?
[20:01] <OerHeks> Yaiyan, if your story is true, sdb is unlogical
[20:02] <renn0xtk9> OerHeks nichomachus got it! thanks mate, surprisingly --us-keymap was not working but en_GB seems to do the job
[20:03] <fwed> hello everyone, I just installed the system and there is no 'additional drivers' there, therefore no wifi networks shown. I know this from earlier, but is this still common?
[20:04] <compdoc> I think additional drivers is video card
[20:05] <Yaiyan> OerHeks, sdb is one of the disk, 4 partitions+swap, so one is probably unlogical
[20:05] <Yaiyan> Is there a way to check?
[20:06] <fwed> how can I bring wifi nw back?
[20:06] <Yaiyan> *other disks
[20:09] <akik> Yaiyan: not sure about a two disk setup but if i have a swap partition on /dev/sda during install and don't touch it, it will get used as swap
[20:10] <Yaiyan> akik, so it's nothing to be worried about?
[20:10] <Yaiyan> Partitioning always makes me nervous..
[20:10] <fwed> I have no network and looking for terminal and why does the dash show me a bunch of trash including weather channel?
[20:11] <akik> Yaiyan: well it just probably used mkswap and swapon on it. nothing special. you're safe :)
[20:11] <ioria> fwed, sudo lshw -c network ?
[20:12] <Yaiyan> akik, thanks :)
[20:12] <fwed> seriously...http://is.gd/Q9695x
[20:13] <bekks> fwed: you can customize that behaviour.
[20:13] <fwed> bekks, yes, one has time to customize everything, theoretically.
[20:13] <ioria> fwed, dpkg -l gnome-terminal
[20:13] <fwed> ioria, I have no terminal. cause I cant make it appear!
[20:13] <bekks> fwed: In real life, that can be done within a minute.
[20:14] <ioria> fwed, alt+f2
[20:14] <Yaiyan> After installing this+3 other distros on this disk I'll have 11 OS's installed
[20:14] <fwed> bekks, I quit. you win. fair enough
[20:14] <Yaiyan> 9 of which will be Ubuntu variants/very old versions :D
[20:14] <fwed> ioaria, can I find a terminal somehow?
[20:14] <ioria> fwed, alt+f2 xterm or gnome-terminal
[20:15] <ioria> fwed, if you are ubuntu....
[20:15] <fusioned> what games do you guys play in ubuntu usually, if at all?
[20:15] <fusioned> be it emulated via WINE, naitive, or whatever
[20:15] <lotus|xenial> fusioned: steam, playonlinux,wine
[20:16] <Yaiyan> ctrl+alt+f1 should be another terminal
[20:16] <fusioned> i use wine, playonlinux etc too
[20:16] <Yaiyan> Oh
[20:16] <Yaiyan> ctrl+alt+f7 after ctrl+alt+f1
[20:16] <fusioned> like, what titles? im big on quake 1, brutal doom and doom wads, and PSX games via emulator
[20:16] <VictoriaXOXO> fusioned: "emulated via WINE". :P Do you know what WINE stands for? ;)
[20:16] <fwed> logging out to see if the mess clears
[20:17] <fusioned> WINE IS NOT AN EMULATOR! :P
[20:17] <fusioned> heh
[20:17] <VictoriaXOXO> Yeah!
[20:17] <fusioned> semantics
[20:17] <lotus|xenial> !discuss | fusioned
[20:17] <Yaiyan> I remember my cousin had a script that could port windows games to linux
[20:17] <Yaiyan> So I imagine he played a fair few games with that
[20:18] <grigoris> grigoris
[20:18] <fwed> ioria, now I have a terminal. could I have the command again, please? sorry..I should have noted it
[20:18] <ioria> fwed, sudo lshw -c network ?
[20:18] <fwed> trying now
[20:18] <fwed> thank you
[20:20] <fwed> ioria, I got this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/13352095/
[20:21] <ioria> fwed, your wifi card is not recognized
[20:23] <fwed> ioria, it is not a new machine. It never happened before. how can I fix it?
[20:23] <ioria> fwed, but it should be....
[20:24] <ioria> fwed, it's a fresh install ?
[20:24] <fwed> ioria, yes, but the computer is the same one
[20:24] <ioria> fwed, uname -r ?
[20:25] <fwed> ioaria, '3.19.0-31-generic'
[20:25] <ioria> fwed, why did you install vivid ?
[20:25] <NYTimes> hey I'm looking for links to understand proxy servers
[20:25] <NeedHelp> Hi, folks!
[20:26] <jct500thz> Ubuntu software center isn't asking me for passwords like it usually does... and when I try to install something, it tells me something like I don't have the right permissions.
[20:26] <fwed> fwed, what is vivid?
[20:26] <fwed> the next distro-upgrade?
[20:26] <ioria> fwed, cat /etc/issue ?
[20:26] <bekks> !vivid | fwed
[20:26] <EriC^^> jct500thz: does your user have sudo privileges?
[20:27] <jct500thz> Yes.
[20:27] <Guest71248> Does anyone recognize STM_d XfO folder in xubuntu?
[20:27] <EriC^^> type groups
[20:27] <jct500thz> EriC^^, in a terminal?
[20:27] <EriC^^> yeah
[20:27] <kisb> jct500thz, do you not know your password?
[20:27] <jct500thz> kisb, I know my password. it isn't giving me a box to enter it into.
[20:28] <fwed> ioria, if I selected the wrong download, I cant believe I overlooked it.
[20:28] <jct500thz> jct500thz adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare @ kisb and EriC^^
[20:28] <ioria> fwed, try 14.04 if you want lts, or 15.10
[20:30] <jct500thz> actually, speaking of one of the groups, how do I samba share?
[20:30] <Cossan> I've found a folder named STM_d XfO in home. It's loading all the time, I can't see the files. Does anyone recognize it?
[20:30] <fwed> ioria, sure, I didnt want to install 15.04..but does this have to do with the wifi problem?
[20:30] <ioria> fwed, only a way to know....
[20:30] <user_> hi guys, does alsamixer has a gui equivalent of its curses interface?
[20:30] <ioria> fwed, cat /etc/issue ?
[20:31] <fwed> checking
[20:31] <fwed> ioria 'Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \n \l'
[20:31] <fwed> it is not vivid, then?
[20:32] <ioria> fwed, trusty witn enab stack of vivid
[20:33] <fwed> is that the usual case?
[20:33] <jct500thz> I'm looking around the Xubuntu control panel for something to figure this out.
[20:34] <bekks> jct500thz: Open a terminal, configure your samba shares in the samba configuration file.
[20:34] <Yaiyan> Is it possible to update 14.04 to 15.10?
[20:34] <Yaiyan> Or do I have to wait for 16.04
[20:35] <MonkeyDust> jct500thz or try gigolo
[20:35] <jct500thz> MonkeyDust, what's gigolo?
[20:35] <bekks> Yaiyan: 14.04 -> 14.10 -> 15.04 -> 15.10
[20:35] <lotus|xenial> user_: maybe pavucontrol?
[20:35] <bekks> Yaiyan: But 14.10 is EOL already.
[20:35] <Yaiyan> bekks, it can still be updated to 14.10?
[20:35] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Do you enable ufw after a fresh install? Yes? Why? No? Why not?
[20:35] <MonkeyDust> !info gigolo | jct500thz
[20:35] <bekks> !eolupgrades | Yaiyan
[20:36] <ioria> fwed, don't remember .... i'm on the same with 3.16.0-53-generic
[20:36] <lotus|xenial> !security | VictoriaXOXO
[20:36] <fwed> so how can I get wifi?
[20:37] <Yaiyan> Huhm, I'll probably wait till 16.04 then
[20:37] <Yaiyan> Anyway, I just finished install Kubuntu, but it hasn't appeared in grub
[20:37] <fwed> and why do I have this problem? it was years ago last time I had to manually install drivers, I think at 10.10.
[20:37] <MonkeyDust> !wifi | fwed start here
[20:38] <fwed> MonkeyDust, I need a solution to get wifi started
[20:38] <fwed> If someone knows it I will be grateful
[20:38] <ioria> fwed, try sudo modprobe -r iwlwifi ; sudo modprobe iwlwifi
[20:38] <nicomachus> fwed: I've been away, but what type of wifi card are you using? is it built-in or a USB dongle?
[20:40] <fwed> ioria, it gave this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13352402/
[20:40] <fwed> nicomachus, I dont know if this is informative for your question: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13352095/
[20:41] <fwed> but it's built-in, not usb
[20:41] <ioria> fwed, sudo modprobe iwlagn
[20:41] <fwed> ioria: 'modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:556 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/3.19.0-31-generic/modules.dep.bin'
[20:42] <jct500thz> How do I set myself to root?
[20:42] <lotus|xenial> !sudo | jct500thz
[20:42] <jct500thz> Is there any way to do it permanently?
[20:42] <harduim> jct500thz, sudo bash
[20:42] <ioria> fwed, it'a virtual box ?
[20:43] <fwed> ioria, no, it's desktop install
[20:43] <nicomachus> fwed: you don't have a driver on that card, so it's showing as unclaimed. There's no driver installed at all. ioria: modprobe isn't going to find a driver that doesn't exist.
[20:43] <lotus|xenial> jct500thz: why do you need permament root?
[20:43] <harduim> jct500thz, But I would not recommend doing that if not necessary
[20:43] <ioria> ok
[20:43] <jct500thz> Because some apps have trouble with permissions.
[20:43] <harduim> jct500thz, Like what?
[20:44] <ioria> nicomachus, but it's an old card ... the module should be loaded
[20:44] <fwed> nicomachus, yes, as I said earlier, no drivers are shown in 'additional drivers'
[20:44] <jct500thz> Ubuntu Software Center won't work right. Says I don't have the right permissions.
[20:45] <nicomachus> fwed: because that only lists proprietary drivers.
[20:45] <lotus|xenial> jct500thz: ubuntu version? are you the admin of the pc?
[20:45] <kisb> use terminal or synaptic
[20:45] <nicomachus> fwed: sudo apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi
[20:45] <harduim> jct500thz, Thats strange, it should work right out of the box
[20:45] <jct500thz> I'm using Xubuntu and I'm the only user. Been using it for a year now.
[20:46] <jct500thz> Started this error...
[20:46] <lotus|xenial> jct500thz: xubuntu version?
[20:46] <ioria> it's for debian
[20:47] <Yaiyan> Just noticed compiz is installed on Ubuntu still
[20:47] <fwed> nicomachus, unable to locate the package: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13352523/
[20:47] <ioria> !info firmware-iwlwifi trusty
[20:47] * Yaiyan starts hunting for wobbly window option
[20:47] <nicomachus> fwed: yea, my bad that's the debian name.
[20:47] <lotus|xenial> Yaiyan: compiz-plugins-extra
[20:47] <aarobc> So, I tried using kernel 4.1, then after I removed it there was no option to boot ubuntu in grub. I know I have other kernels installed, but I wasn't able to get that working. I booted from a live usb and am currently attempting to run boot repair as instructed in the docs, but it's currently hanging at "Purge kernels then reinstall last kernel sda1 (ins). This may require several minutes.."
[20:47] <nicomachus> fwed: cd into /lib/firmware and then ls *.ucode
[20:47] <nicomachus> what's the output?
[20:47] <aarobc> It's been saying that for a bout three hours now
[20:47] <Yaiyan> lotus|xenial, awesome
[20:48] <Yaiyan> Been too long since I last tried those :D
[20:48] <lotus|xenial> Yaiyan: and install ccsm also to enable it
[20:48] <lotus|xenial> Yaiyan: after enable wobbly, system might freeze and you need reboot
[20:48] <Yaiyan> Oh, ok
[20:49] <fwed> nicomachus, gives this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13352561/
[20:49] <jct500thz> it's not..
[20:49] <jct500thz> it's not letting me install anything.
[20:49] <Yaiyan> In my mind compiz and wobbly are synonymous tbh
[20:49] <lotus|xenial> jct500thz: xubuntu version?
[20:49] <jct500thz> xubuntu version of what?
[20:49] <harduim> jct500thz, And what about apt ??
[20:49] <Snide_> Been a long time windows user who's experimented with redhat/fedora for a short while but went back to windows. Recently I Installed 15.10 and got most of the programs and drivers I need for steam and other unsupported DirectX games, I was just wondering if there were any suggested KDE's or software I should look into being fresh into 15.10
[20:49] <nicomachus> fwed: ok. then sudo modprobe iwlwifi and see if it returns an error
[20:50] <lotus|xenial> jct500thz: lsb_release -a
[20:50] <jct500thz> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[20:50] <fwed> nicomachus, yes, it did: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13352591/
[20:50] <jct500thz> Description: Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS
[20:50] <jct500thz> Release: 14.04
[20:50] <jct500thz> Codename: trusty
[20:51] <MonkeyDust> jct500thz next time, use a pastebin for multiple lines
[20:51] <jct500thz> Sorry about that, MonkeyDust.
[20:52] <lotus|xenial> jct500thz: try launching software center from terminal to see errors
[20:52] <wmorri> Snide_, I don't exactly understand your question. KDE is a desktop environment.
[20:52] <fwed> nicomachus, I will try a reboot
[20:53] <nicomachus> fwed: first try sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-3.19.0-31
[20:54] <jct500thz> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zvT8tpcJ
[20:54] <fwed> nicomachus, ok, underway
[20:54] <jct500thz> It's giving me that error. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zvT8tpcJ
[20:54] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Do you enable ufw after a fresh install? Yes? Why? No? Why not?
[20:55] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: no, the average jo doesnt need to switch a lot settings there. the standard ubuntu is pretty much set up already
[20:55] <jct500thz> lotus|xenial, what's the terminal command for software center?
[20:55] <Snide_> @wmorri I was more or less talking about in general where some noob resources might be and or some suggestions on what I should be doing if I were going for a gaming/performance approach to customizing ubuntu
[20:55] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Oh, okay. Nice. :)
[20:56] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: if you dont have a program listening on a port the port is "closed" anyway. so no need to worry about it
[20:56] <lotus|xenial> jct500thz: software-center
[20:56] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: But I'm not any LESS secure by just doing "sudo ufw enable", am I?
[20:57] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: in most cases you block stuff then you not want to be blocked :)
[20:57] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Ohhhhhh... :|
[20:58] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: so you need to read a lot manuals how to enable only your stuff again. if you want that to learn etc then go ahead. it doesnt harm. but the standard settings are quit good balanced
[20:58] <nicomachus> fwed: when that's done, try sudo modprobe iwlwifi again
[20:58] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Okay. Thanks. :)
[20:58] <fwed> nicomachus, still error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13352739/
[20:59] <jct500thz> I launched software-center in #: and I think that fixed the problem.
[21:00] <jct500thz> Thanks for the help!
[21:00] <jct500thz> I was able to install Steam
[21:00] <nicomachus> fwed: perhaps 'sudo ifconfig wlan0 up'? otherwise I'm out of ideas and have to take off for a meeting
[21:01] <wmorri> !gaming Snide_
[21:01] <waressearcher2> https://nmap.org/7
[21:01] <Snide_> hmmm?
[21:01] <Snide_> !gaming
[21:01] <fwed> nicomachus, it says 'wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device'...sure, thank you so much for your effort and time!
[21:02] <fwed> I will try rebootin
[21:02] <fwed> g
[21:02] <waressearcher2> is nmap 7.00 allready in ubuntu's repo ? when it will appear ?
[21:03] <wmorri> Snide_, sorry I didn't know if we had help for gaming. Other thank that I would recommend looking at the wiki and askubuntu if you have specific questions.
[21:04] <studio_> many thanks to "Alan Pope" and he can't declare where is the different between Ubuntu and Ubuntu-Touch!!!
[21:04] <Snide_> THanks wmorri
[21:04] <MonkeyDust> !info nmap | waressearcher2
[21:04] <wmorri> Snide_, your welcome
[21:10] <MonkeyDust> waressearcher2 is this useful https://nmap.org/7/
[21:11] <waressearcher2> MonkeyDust: have you looked at it ?
[21:11] <jnhghy> my computer freezes all downloads including software updates since I've installed a new video board I have ubuntu 14.04 but the same happened on windows (dual boot) any idea what I can check or do?
[21:11] <waressearcher2> jnhghy: over heating problem ?
[21:12] <MonkeyDust> waressearcher2 not really, your question caught my attention, i was curious
[21:12] <jnhghy> waressearcher2: don't think so ... computer woks just fine ... including after effects ...
[21:12] <jnhghy> waressearcher2: just checked everything seems quite cool
[21:13] <genii> Maybe your PSU is inadequate for the task
[21:13] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: How would one view the contents of a .xpi file in Ubuntu 14.04?
[21:14] <BluesKaj> jnhghy, make sure you have the correct driver for the graphics card installed , is it the same brand as the previous , or is it new /
[21:14] <jnhghy> genii: and freezes downloads over 10mb over? might be... but I don't see a reason...
[21:14] <genii> VictoriaXOXO: They are just zip files
[21:14] <VictoriaXOXO> genii: So... I unzip it?
[21:15] <jnhghy> BluesKaj: that might be the issue... I'm trying to download it's driver .. but it's not working on this computer... I'll
[21:15] <jnhghy> give it a try on my laptop..
[21:15] <BluesKaj> which card is it ?
[21:15] <VictoriaXOXO> genii: Hey! That worked! :D
[21:16] <jnhghy> BluesKaj: nvidia 420
[21:17] <BluesKaj> jnhghy, the driver should be available in the repos
[21:17] <BluesKaj> package manager
[21:18] <BluesKaj> jnhghy, sudo apt install nvidia-340
[21:18] <jnhghy> BluesKaj: I'm downloading it on my desktop: just got feedback from chrome on a download: "Failed - Network timeout", I'm trying to install it now
[21:19] <BluesKaj> don't install the driver from the nvidia site,
[21:19] <BluesKaj> jnhghy,\
[21:20] <genii> VictoriaXOXO: Now you know :)
[21:20] <jnhghy> BluesKaj: can you give a little help on this please: nvidia-340 : Depends: lib32gcc1 but it is not going to be installed
[21:21] <KzadorDmalditos> hola?
[21:21] <lotus|xenial> !es | KzadorDmalditos
[21:22] <OerHeks> jnhghy, don't use the driver from the nvidia website, use the build-in driver tool
[21:22] <BluesKaj> jnhghy, try sudo apt install lib32gcc1
[21:22] <Miron> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
[21:23] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, he's trying to install the nvidia-340 with apt
[21:23] <genii> Sounds like multiarch is missing or only set for 64bit
[21:23] <BluesKaj> yeah
[21:24] <OerHeks> BluesKaj, if that gcc is missing, it looks like the update server used is not up-to-date, or he added 32 bit environment
[21:25] <BluesKaj> then he m=needs to instal multiarch iguess...gotta gofor afew mins. bbl
[21:26] <genii> jnhghy: Can you pastebin the results of: apt-config dump | grep Architecture
[21:26] <jnhghy> 1 sec genii
[21:27] <genii> Don't forget to uppercase that A in Architecture
[21:27] <jnhghy> genii: this is what I got: http://pastebin.com/xid8pJnJ
[21:28] <genii> So that's normal, and contains both, as it should.
[21:28] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: How long are Ubuntu Pastebin texts stored? Forever?
[21:29] <genii> jnhghy: How about result of: apt-cache policy lib32gcc1 then please
[21:29] <jnhghy> genii: I notice I get strange results on apt-get update: http://pastebin.com/eYM2aFFW
[21:29] <genii> VictoriaXOXO: default is 24 hours
[21:30] <genii> jnhghy: That's normal, it means that some other place right now on the computer, updates are happening
[21:31] <jnhghy> genii: http://pastebin.com/Q17wBzsi well .. I don't see where are those updates happening :)
[21:31] <VictoriaXOXO> genii: But there's no option to manually choose? So how can it be defualt? :o
[21:31] <genii> jnhghy: Did you use sudo with that command?
[21:31] <jnhghy> yeah
[21:33] <jnhghy> genii: I did sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf and now apt-get update works ...
[21:33] <genii> I was going to try finding out what was using it with lsof first, but I guess that works
[21:36] <jnhghy> genii: apt-get update doesn't go throw ... it freezes but after trying to run it for a few times now it found and started downloading and installing the nvidia driver ...
[21:36] <jnhghy> but that one freezes too :))
[21:36] <genii> VictoriaXOXO: Sorry, ubuntu pastebin has no time limit. The pastebin.com site is the 24 hour default
[21:37] <drdeo> t
[21:37] <VictoriaXOXO> genii: So how do we know how long they save it for? :P
[21:37] <jnhghy> genii: thanks for your efforts and time... really appreciate them!!!! I'll use my laptop to download the drive and try with it ... thanks again!
[21:37] <genii> jnhghy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5555555/ there's the very first one from when it was set up.
[21:38] <genii> Sorry, VictoriaXOXO^
[21:38] <VictoriaXOXO> genii: Booooooooo. I don't like that. :P
[21:38] <VictoriaXOXO> I'll use an alternative. Thanks.
[21:41] <kama3> hi
[21:44] <kama3> does anyone have problems on 14.04 after updating nvidia's proprietary driver to 352.63?
[21:44] <Juliwood> Hi
[21:50] <bdonnahue> hello. im coming from centos. how does ubuntus firewall work? is there a config file?
[21:52] <k1l_> bdonnahue: iptables if you like config fiddeling :)
[21:52] <k1l_> the other thing is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW there is a gufw as gui for that
[21:53] <kama3> and config files are in /etc/ufw
[21:53] <MonkeyDust> and fwbuilder for more advanced use
[21:53] <MonkeyDust> (gui)
[21:54] <Suguki> bdonnahue, look at this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netfilter
[21:56] <tvchair> Hello
[22:00] <athos-x> Hello people got a question concerning plymouth+nvidia drivers and 15.10
[22:00] <athos-x> How do i go about fixing plymouth in 15.10?
[22:01] <Suguki> you can disable it
[22:01] <athos-x> You mean turn off plymouth entirely?
[22:01] <Suguki> Yes that's what i have done
[22:02] <athos-x> Mmmmmm
[22:02] <athos-x> How would i go about doing that if you don´t mind me asking?
[22:03] <Suguki> you can use this : https://launchpad.net/plymouth-manager
[22:03] <athos-x> Thanks Suguki!!! Will have a look at that!!!
[22:04] <athos-x> Adios!
[22:04] <Suguki> althos-x: You can also add this repository : sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ingalex/super-boot-manager , update and install super-boot-manager
[22:04] <Suguki> too late :'(
[22:11] <threeminutemonta> computer randomly shutdown over night. Is there anyway to find out why / when. 14.04 LTS
[22:11] <halexander9000> Greetings. My apologies, but I'd very much appreciate it if someone could help me reinstall my graphics drivers on my original Ubuntu installation. I just bought an Nvidia graphics card, installed the drivers using this guide http://askubuntu.com/questions/149206/how-to-install-nvidia-run and since then I haven't been able to boot up neither with m
[22:11] <halexander9000> y integrated card or the one I bought :(
[22:11] <halexander9000> I'm using a usb stick right now.
[22:11] <halexander9000> On the ingrated graphics.
[22:19] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: Did you purge the old driver prior to installing the new Nvidia graphic's card ?
[22:19] <halexander9000> I have not
[22:20] <halexander9000> I can however purge it now, using the ctrl-alt-f1
[22:20] <halexander9000> Then can I install it using this?
[22:20] <halexander9000> http://askubuntu.com/questions/66328/how-do-i-install-the-latest-nvidia-drivers-from-the-run-file
[22:20] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: What was the old card ? so we know the command to purge that old driver .
[22:20] <halexander9000> I have the .run file
[22:21] <halexander9000> It's the integrated hd4600
[22:21] <halexander9000> Intel
[22:22] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: Generally speaking, installing a driver from OEM is the last resort . Drivers are available in our software repository .
[22:22] <halexander9000> Do I need to remove repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[22:22] <halexander9000> ?
[22:23] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: Intel provides us with the latest drivers . There is usaually nothing that needs/can be done oth Intel. Intel just works .
[22:23] <halexander9000> Ah
[22:23] <halexander9000> I see.
[22:24] <halexander9000> Ok, so basically I need to do a "apt-get install intel-current" ?
[22:24] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: Maintenance will be much easier if you install from repo . though PPA is also supported . 1st adviuse is yes .. ppa-purge ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates .
[22:25] <halexander9000> Or was it the xserver-xorg-video-intel
[22:25] <Bashing-om> advise*
[22:25] <halexander9000> Understood.
[22:25] <halexander9000> will ppa-purge.
[22:25] <halexander9000> Then shall I "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel" ?
[22:26] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: What release are you running ?
[22:26] <halexander9000> I don't know for sure if 14.04 or 14.10, since I'm not running it currently.
[22:27] <halexander9000> I'm using a live version from a usb right now.
[22:27] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: 14.10 will be a problem as it is no longer supportd and repos are turned away .
[22:28] <halexander9000> I have access to my file-system, is there a way to check?
[22:29] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: Sure . What in the install is ' cat /etc/issue ' ?
[22:29] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Is there a terminal command to check DE version PLUS what window manager and file manager I use?
[22:30] <VictoriaXOXO> Like a command to list all those things.
[22:30] <halexander9000> 15.04
[22:30] <halexander9000> Oh, right. I upgraded to that.
[22:30] <halexander9000> Huh
[22:30] <halexander9000> 15.04 it is then. For sure now.
[22:31] <BaGRoS> Hi. transmission-daemon saving files as debian-transmission:debian-transmission, how i can change this for nuc:nuc? I changed USER=root or nuc in /etc/init.d/transmission-daemon no result :?
[22:31] <MrCeeIII> hello all.. its me the noob again... I am trying to find a good program I can use to create an image file... backuop/clone for my comp
[22:32] <bekks> !backup | MrCeeIII
[22:34] <MrCeeIII> but whats the best way...
[22:35] <MrCeeIII> what are some free programs to uses to accomplish this... thanks
[22:36] <_unreal> hello, I've lost my touch pad some how? not sure how
[22:36] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: K; So we are back to what was originally . Us this machine of "optimus - hybrid graphics" originally, or are you choosing to go with Nvidia in lieu of Intel ?
[22:37] <_unreal> going into system/settings/mouse-touch pad show's mouse as being there and enabled as far as the touch pad goes but my touch pad is just not working
[22:37] <_unreal> any idea's on what I may do to solve this wierd issue
[22:37] <halexander9000> I wish to make the Nvidia function, but having the intel as a fall-back would be nice.
[22:38] <halexander9000> 750Ti
[22:38] <_unreal> ?
[22:39] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: IF this is not "optimus" not likely to have both in the fly .
[22:39] <halexander9000> Not both at the same time.
[22:39] <halexander9000> But if one doesn't function, I'd like to be able to switch the card in bios.
[22:42] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: That is doable in bios ( may have to move Nvidi's xorg.conf file out of the way ) .
[22:42] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Is there a terminal command to check DE version PLUS what window manager and file manager I use?
[22:42] <VictoriaXOXO> Like a command to list all those things.
[22:43] <ChunkzZ> what comes with ubuntu server?
[22:43] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: not an easy one.
[22:43] <k1l_> ChunkzZ: can you be more specific?
[22:43] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: Will work on removing the mess I made, and reinstalling xserver-xorg-video-intel . Give me a few minutes please. And thank you for your help.
[22:43] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Any complicated ones then? :P
[22:44] <k1l_> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[22:44] <ChunkzZ> k1l_: I have an odroid xu4, arm device. I am running ubuntu mate but I removed mate and installed i3. but, would server be better? I mean, instead of removing mate etc I can build up myself...?
[22:44] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: NP .. what card is the Nvidia .. when ready we have the system verify and install the correct driver .
[22:45] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: XD "mate" is all the information I got.
[22:45] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: so you are running mate desktop
[22:46] <k1l_> ChunkzZ: ubuntu server is the same base system as the desktops got.
[22:46] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: How do I figure out all the other things? Am I using compiz? compton? Anything else?
[22:46] <ChunkzZ> k1l_: so I can sudo apt-get etc?
[22:46] <ChunkzZ> right?
[22:46] <k1l_> ChunkzZ: yes
[22:46] <ChunkzZ> awesome, thank you.
[22:47] <TheEagerPadawan> testing out the rdesktop package which allows you to connect to a host with rdp on the cli. Anyhoo, i'm trying to use a certain keymap but it fails to open so it reverts back to en-us
[22:48] <TheEagerPadawan> which uses a qwerty keyboard and i'm more familiar with an azerty
[22:48] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: It's this one http://www.msi.com/product/graphics-card/N750Ti-2GD5OCV1.html#hero-overview
[22:49] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: I'm restarting now, wish me luck
[22:49] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: good question, that will need a lot of digging in the system.
[22:49] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Guuuulp.
[22:51] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: K, the driver for the 750ti is in 15.04's repo .
[22:57] <LtL> Bashing-om: which number/version driver is for the 750Ti?
[22:58] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: Operation successful, I have returned from the dead :D
[22:58] <bakasage> hello everyone, help me, please, solve broken dependencies (also i want libreoffice to be uninstalled). here's log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13354302/
[22:59] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: I'm back to my old desk-top, just the way I left it.
[22:59] <Bashing-om> LtL: 352 version : see : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/95159/en-us .
[22:59] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: At least now I know how to return to the intel drivers.
[22:59] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: It works flawlessly.
[23:00] <LtL> Bashing-om: ok, i do show that one in additional drivers, thanks
[23:00] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: Let's male sure the system sees the Nvidia card ; ' lspci | grep "VGA\|3D" ' .
[23:00] <halexander9000> Wilco
[23:01] <Bashing-om> LtL: Good deal .
[23:01] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: I get a " grep: Invalid back reference
[23:01] <halexander9000> "
[23:02] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: Inecpected .. what about ' lspci -vnn | grep VGA -A 12 ' ?
[23:02] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: never mind, I ran it with just the "VGA" bit
[23:03] <kama3> halexander9000: wish you luck with that driver.. i have updated to that 352.63 (860m) on my 14.04 and after boot i'm entering "low graphics mode", X creates core dump with sigabrt. i have to go back to console and start manually lightdm
[23:03] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM107 [GeForce GTX 750 Ti] (rev a2)
[23:03] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: So it would seem that it does see it.
[23:03] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: Yeah .. that is waht we wanted to see . Driver is now installed and all is good ??
[23:03] <LtL> Bashing-om: i'm using nouveau, but additional drivers says intel microcode code is in use, what do i do about that?
[23:04] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: I tried to remove the ppa, and it failed. I'm afraid to run the install nvidia-current now :(
[23:04] <LtL> Bashing-om: use 352 and keep the intel microcode?
[23:06] <Bashing-om> LtL: 'Intel microcode' is firmware not a direct concern to the grahics driver in use .
[23:07] <LtL> Bashing-om: yeah thats exactly what is says, so cool, thanks
[23:07] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: "ppa-purge" just reverts to what is in the repo and then remove that source ! .
[23:09] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: In other words, I have to do "sudo add-apt-repository --remove ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates"
[23:10] <TwentyTwenty> is there a reason why I am seeing different values for the size of my hard drive from different programs? Dolphin says I have 212GB of total space, GParted says I have 223GB of space in the partition, and I'm pretty sure this is a 256GB ssd. What could be causing this?
[23:10] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: IF things work as is .. leave well enough alone .. just be aware that the possibility of graphic's driver breakage in a kernel update exists .
[23:11] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, Done.
[23:11] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: I tested the graphics currently, and It's worse than my Intel.
[23:11] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, With minecraft
[23:12] <compdoc> TwentyTwenty, ssds reserve a small amount of space for its own use. and it even helps if you leave a few gigs of space as un-partitioned
[23:12] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, Imagine how much of a performance decrease it would have to be to be felt in Minecraft.
[23:12] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: You are too quick, or I am just too slow .. // so we are back to properly ppa-purge ( revert to repo driver0 purge what is now and install the nvidia driver ... no big deal .
[23:13] <TwentyTwenty> compdoc, how small? Currently it looks like it's using 28GB if this is supposed to be a 240GB ssd
[23:13] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, from where? The original repos?
[23:13] <compdoc> Some drive come with software that suggest about 10 gigs or so. Google 'over-provisioning'
[23:13] <compdoc> TwentyTwenty ^
[23:14] <TwentyTwenty> compdoc, i'm fine with 10GB, but what about the other 18?
[23:15] <TwentyTwenty> compdoc, also, this must be something handled by the ubuntu installer automatically because I never deliberately set aside 28GB
[23:15] <compdoc> I think all hard drives sold dont match the advertised size.
[23:15] <TwentyTwenty> compdoc, it's also not showing up as unpartioned space, it's just not showing up at all
[23:15] <compdoc> something to do with how the size is measured
[23:16] <TwentyTwenty> compdoc, so you think the ssd size is really 223GB and the ubuntu installer automatically set aside 10GB for the ssd?
[23:17] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, I'm hesitant to do that again, even with the ppa removed :( Are you sure it's ok now?
[23:18] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: Not knowing what has been done, or where you are .. I do suggest ' sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates ' as the 1st step. then comment out that PPA in the sources.list directory . then we purge all and (re-)install . that is what I think .
[23:19] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: Note that I have repeatedly advised 'ppa-purge' .
[23:19] <maszlo> is there any real side effects from disabling dns masq?
[23:20] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, I have purged both the nvidia driver and the ppa
[23:20] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, Checking to see if after --remove the ppa is still in source.list
[23:20] <sunil`> I recently updated from 12.04 to 14.04. About two weeks ago, I think. I've rebooted a few times without issues. Today I rebooted. I think that ubuntu has loaded, but I'm not being presented with a graphical login. I just get blank screens and a mouse
[23:21] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: Just checked. Nothing in the source.list
[23:21] <halexander9000> Bashing-om: And when I say nothing, I mean none of my blunders.
[23:21] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, Ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates specifically
[23:22] <maszlo> i have found that dnsmasq being turned on by default in networkManager was breaking my vpn dns
[23:22] <sunil`> As i boot, I see that ubuntu is indeed loading
[23:22] <sunil`> like, I see a purple screen for a moment, and the text 'ubuntu 14.4'
[23:22] <sunil`> but then... nothing
[23:22] <maszlo> just do not know if this will break other thing turning it off. dont care if it asks the dns server each time
[23:23] <TJ-> maszlo: sounds like something was misconfigured, NM's dnsmasq should work fine in cooperation with a VPN if the network connections are correctly configured.
[23:23] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, Dare I do now the dreaded install Nvidia-current?
[23:24] <maszlo> TJ-: i dont understand what i could have setup incorrectly i tried using the dhcp dns and manually setting them. they never updated in the /etc/resolv.conf
[23:24] <maszlo> it would always just show localhost, or 127.0.1.1
[23:25] <maszlo> that interface order had tun* in it right behind the lo options.
[23:26] <maszlo> i am talking about /etc/resolvconf/interface-order
[23:27] <TJ-> maszlo: /etc/resolv.conf is a link to /run/resolvconf/resolv.conf. NM updates resolvconf's nameservers entry when it receives a DHCP option, or from its manual configuration. It operates a private instance of dnsmaws that it gives to resolvconf, listening on 127.0.1.1. If you've got some VPN connection not managed by NM then its -up script updates may be replaced when NM brings up and interface
[23:27] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: ' sudo service lightdm stop ; sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak ; sudo apt-get purge nvidia* ; sudo apt-get install nvidia-352 ; sudo nvidia-xconfig ' .. Rerboot and let's see .
[23:27] <maszlo> so i should look at what is broken in vpnc?
[23:28] <TJ-> maszlo: if you want an NM connection to NOT apply DHCP options for DNS, in the NM connection change the method to "Automatic (Addresses Only)" so it doesn't use the DNS/gateway DHCP options
[23:28] <dimitry7> :)
[23:29] <maszlo> TJ-: but i do want it to use the dns for vpn and it was not showing up
[23:29] <TJ-> maszlo: if you use NM's network-manager-vpnc{,-gnome} then there won't be any conflicts
[23:31] <maszlo> TJ-: thanks for the info
[23:32] <karma_banana> Hey, I tried the live usb of ubuntu 15.10, but it won't let me get past the login screen and asks for user name and password and the texts get glitchy
[23:32] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, Taking the plunge now, see you on the other side.
[23:33] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: ;) .. nothing ventured, nothing gained .
[23:34] <TJ-> karma_banana: use the boot option 'check disk' that sounds like corruption
[23:35] <karma_banana> I did, but there were no errors
[23:36] <TJ-> karma_banana: possibly the system has some random read errors, or RAM problems then. 'glitchy text' certainly points in that direction
[23:36] <est31> is there any minimal wayland desktop environment?
[23:37] <est31> for ubuntu of course
[23:38] <karma_banana> TJ-, hmm.. never ahd any issues
[23:39] <k1l_> est31: there is no usable wayland desktop yet.
[23:39] <est31> I have heard that you can get wayland + gnome running if you install the gnome-session-wayland package
[23:39] <TJ-> !info gnome-session-wayland | est31
[23:40] <est31> but I dont want to install the entirety of gnome
[23:40] <threeminutemonta> My computer randomly shutdown over night. Is there anyway to find out why / when. 14.04 LTS?
[23:40] <est31> if I install the package alone I cant chose it at login
[23:40] <TJ-> !info plasma-workspace-wayland | est31
[23:41] <TJ-> est31: use "apt-cache search -n wayland" to see all the various wayland support packages. You'll likely need 'xwayland' to integrate into the existing system, so it won't be a pure wayland
[23:41] <k1l_> est31: "running"
[23:41] <est31> ah thanks
[23:43] <est31> why doesnt plasma-workspace-wayland depend on xwayland? I mean if it doesnt work without?
[23:44] <egggs> hello all
[23:47] <VictoriaXOXO> Q: Does ANYONE know how I would make this script work on Ubuntu (with some ExifTool alternative)? http://pastebin.com/sfSRBnxH
[23:47] <est31> will it automatically configure + set up xwayland when I install the package?
[23:48] <est31> I'll just give it a try
[23:49] <k1l_> est31: the gnome-walynad session depends on xwayland
[23:50] <VictoriaXOXO> (Asking again. Waited some time. Found out that exiftool exists for Linux.) Q: How would I make this script work for exiftool on Ubuntu?
[23:50] <VictoriaXOXO> http://pastebin.com/sfSRBnxH
[23:51] <k1l_> VictoriaXOXO: do you know man pages?
[23:51] <k1l_> !man | VictoriaXOXO
[23:52] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Hmm. Would I find it all there?
[23:52] <k1l_> its like the handbook of the program. there you can read if and what options that program offers you.
[23:53] <VictoriaXOXO> k1l_: Oh, okay.
[23:56] <yoko> hi
[23:56] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, My friend, it works!
[23:57] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, Performance Boost all around~!
[23:57] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, If there's anything you need my friend, just ask :D
[23:57] <skwishy> hey guys, can I get advice about how to troubleshoot two different laptops, both running 14.04, they freeze up when I "killall chrome"
[23:58] <Bashing-om> halexander9000: Great ! .. just learn and pass it on to the next .
[23:58] <the_count> Bashing-om: If you are around and ready, we could work again on the previous problem.
[23:58] <Bashing-om> the_count: Sure, was waiting on you . show again where we are .
[23:58] <halexander9000> Bashing-om, Thank you so much~ You've transformed my birthday gift from unusable to usable! I could repay you if you want! Just ask :D
[23:59] <the_count> ABshing-om: I believe we left off with removing xorg going to install vivid version but ran into conflictions
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-java
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[20:51] <tdaitx> doko, hi! so, openjdk 6b37 source is available on debian, are you planning to sync that to ubuntu any time soon? my interest in this is to decide whether I upload a new package for the security team or just wait for a Xenial one and backport it
[20:54] <doko> tdaitx, now done, and filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/1518073
[20:55] <doko> hmm, tdaitx, did you check that the generated control file is the same?
[20:57] <tdaitx> doko, only on openjdk 7 it was the same, for openjdk 6 there were a few differences
[20:57] <tdaitx> doko, I mean, between wily and xenial
[20:58] <doko> ?
[20:58] <tdaitx> doko, on openjdk7 the d/control file was the same for xenial and wily IIRC
[20:59] <tdaitx> as for openjdk 6 it was slight different between wily and xenial
[20:59] <tdaitx> (on openjdk 6 dependencies were declared as '>=' on wily and '=' on xenial)
[21:00] <tdaitx> doko, does that answer your questions or did I get your question wrong?
[21:01] <doko> tdaitx, right, so we probably have to unify this, or regenerate the control file before upload
[21:02] <tdaitx> doko, the d/control for the openjdk6 package I pointed you to was for Xenial, did you regenerate it for unstable before the upload?
[21:02] <doko> yes
[21:03] <doko> I'll have a look what we can unify. we can discard the >=/= diffs because we don't need to support lucid anymore
[21:03] <tdaitx> doko, oh, that was from lucid
[21:04] <tdaitx> I didn't know
[21:06] <tdaitx> doko, is it ok to remove those older versions as well? should we do it for this update?
[21:09] <doko> no, has time
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-quality
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[12:54] <flocculant> balloons: hey - so what's this "new community design which makes the site easier to use, done by other community members" for the tracker?
[14:11] <balloons> flocculant, hey
[14:12] <balloons> what are you looking at?
[14:12] <balloons> if it's the GCI stuff; I thought someone could work on knome's design from awhile back
[16:13] <flocculant> balloons: yea that was what I was looking at - can't remember now what that was tbh, all I know is a whole bunch of tracker bugs are still languishing
[17:50] <balloons> flocculant, indeed. many would make good gci tasks
[17:55] <flocculant> balloons: yea I guessed that
[17:57] <flocculant> would perhaps have looked at mentoring some but rather pointless
[17:59] <balloons> o?
[17:59] <balloons> the mentoring is more or less the point of contact
[17:59] <flocculant> balloons: what would be the point in anyone asking me questions about drupal :)
[18:00] <balloons> flocculant, heh. If someone takes it on, they should know drupal :-) The mentor would be more about reviewing the work. I suppose your point is still well taken from a lack of technical skill standpoint
[18:01] <balloons> you wouldn't have to be alone however
[18:03] <flocculant> anyway nice thought I guess, won't be doing anything though
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-cn
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[00:42] <gfxmode> s
[01:27] <^k^> 新 常用硬件支持 • 为什么没有爱普生R330这个型号的驱动？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473934 为什么没有爱普生R330这个型号的驱动？我是添加网络打印机的，网络打印机是安装在windows系统里面的 zz: zdjitall — 2015-11-19 9:10
[01:44] <onlylove_> 普京大帝发飚了
[03:33] <onlylove_> http://top.jobbole.com/30142/?utm_source=blog.jobbole.com&utm_medium=sidebar-top-news
[03:33] <ubrl> ⇪ f: AI通过日本大学入学标准考试：力争2021年考进东大 - 头条 - 伯乐在线
[03:34] <onlylove_> 这年头AI都能考大学了
[03:46] <onlylove_> 不过AI考这个有啥用么……仅仅是给那些研究AI的看吧……
[03:53] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 反应 : 公园里有一对男女。问:"我能吻你一下吗?"她没有回答。他又问:"你能让我吻一下吗?"她还是不答。他火了:"咦,你聋了吗?""咦,你死了吗?"
[03:53] <imtxc> 早啊
[03:54] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 居然才来上班
[03:57] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 上班好一会儿了
[03:57] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 忙啊
[04:00] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 我到新项目组一周了，现在还闲着，自己应该做什么完全不知道
[04:01] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 那多赞
[04:01] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 闲得发慌的结果是，我想辞职
[04:01] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 辞起来
[04:01] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 靠，辞职以后没收入好么
[04:01] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 难道不是跳槽
[04:02] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 跳毛线，昨天博彦给我打电话，特喵的最近给我电话的都是外包外包外包
[04:04] <onlylove_> 在单位机器上测试几天拼音加加，能用就回去把紫光那弱智换了
[04:06] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 你司有SA职位需求不
[04:07] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 我司没有 SA 吧
[04:07] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 那你司的网站什么的，都谁维护
[04:10] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 难道你们还负责那块？
[04:10] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 不知道啊
[04:11] <onlylove_> 夭寿啦，程序员开始抢sa饭碗了
[04:11] <onlylove_> 不管啦，先吃饭去
[04:17] <iamfredng> onlylove_: nice
[04:20] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 14.10 • 急求 关于 tmps挂载之后日志无法创建的问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473936 用的ssd硬盘，本意想把log放到内存，fstab内容 Code: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 tmpfs /var/tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0
[04:20] <^k^> ─> 0 tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 安装了mysql ,ngi …
[04:46] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 除了度娘，还有啥好用的网盘
[04:46] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 我感觉度娘还没有 dropbox 好用
[04:46] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 度娘在朝内，没墙
[04:46] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 度娘在 linux 下面用 firefox 下载百度网盘稍微大点儿的文件总失败
[04:47] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 大文件访问手机版度娘
[04:47] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 不然总让你下载客户端
[04:47] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 我知道啊，但是总下载中间失败这
[04:47] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 金山那东西咋样，老实说，我现在看见金山就烦
[04:48] <Guest88917> 微软onedrive
[04:48] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 你下多大文件啊，我下800M的电影都没问题
[04:48] <yurakucho> onlylove_: Dropbox, Copy, OneDrive
[04:48] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 我现在连wps 都不想用了
[04:48] <MangHuo> yurakucho: copy 是啥
[04:48] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 早就该不欧诺个
[04:48] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 早就该不用wps，让它安静的走吧
[04:48] <yurakucho> MangHuo: https://www.copy.com/page/
[04:48] <ubrl> yurakucho: ⇪ Sync, protect, and share your files - A simple cloud solution to manage business and personal storage.
[04:49] <yurakucho> yurakucho: 最近很流行, 不过我还是喜欢dropbox
[04:50] <yurakucho> MangHuo: ^^
[04:51] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 对啊， dropbox 蛮好的
[04:51] <yurakucho> MangHuo: dropbox最不好的一点是: nnnd, 容量数字不是整数啊, 看着就烦, 都想删号重练了
[04:52] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 找医生吧少年。。。
[04:52] <yurakucho> MangHuo: http://www.iplaysoft.com/copy.html
[04:52] <ubrl> yurakucho: ⇪ COPY - 简单清新的云储存同步网盘！免费无限空间扩容，大有赶追Dropbox之势！ | 异次元软件下载
[04:53] <MangHuo> 下载一个试试速度
[04:53] <onlylove> 测试加加输入法
[04:54] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 赞，自带 cli
[04:56] <yunfan> yurakucho: 为什么要是整数
[04:56] <onlylove> 还是原来的习惯，除了加加那状态栏的蛋疼位置
[04:56] <onlylove> 我估计回家就可以把紫光卸载了
[04:58] <MangHuo> yurakucho: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.zzIo4j&id=21125307943&ns=1&abbucket=4#detail
[04:58] <MangHuo> 太贵了
[04:58] <ubrl> MangHuo: ⇪ 取标题 redirection forbidden: https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.zzIo4j&id=21125307943&ns=1&abbucket=4#detail -> http://world.taobao.com/item/21125307943.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a230r.1.14.1.zzIo4j&ns=1&a
[04:58] <yurakucho> MangHuo: ... ...给我5G就够了 - -!
[04:58] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 话说google drive现在有linux客户端了么
[04:58] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 不知道啊，好像没有
[04:59] <onlylove_> yunfan: 个人习惯，可能当当觉得那样齐整
[05:00] <yurakucho> yunfan: 我喜欢整洁
[05:00] <MangHuo> 没有两步认证，算了..
[05:01] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 还是选mainstream吧, dropbox
[05:01] <onlylove_> yurakucho: 可是可是，硬盘都是1000进的，计算机都是1024进，哪个才是整数啊
[05:01] <yurakucho> onlylove_: 1024
[05:02] <MangHuo> yurakucho: google driver 要是哟客户端还好
[05:02] <MangHuo> 不过看起来我等不了了
[05:03] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 国外的盘有时候要爬墙，这个不好
[05:04] <yurakucho> 也就一般吧 dropbox赛高 我要是dropbox的老板 就杀掉所有僵尸用户 然后把现有用户的容量都向上取整到5xG
[05:04] <onlylove_> yurakucho: 如何判断zonbie
[05:05] <yurakucho> onlylove_: 没有自己文件的, 超过一年没登陆的
[05:05] <onlylove_> 又拼错单词了zombie
[05:06] <onlylove_> yurakucho: 这不好，我度娘盘里面都是从别人那转存的
[05:06] <onlylove_> yurakucho: 然后不需要的都删掉了
[05:06] <yurakucho> onlylove_: 那也算有文件...
[05:07] <yurakucho> onlylove_: dropbox一堆用来邀请增加容量里头一个自己文件也没有的...
[05:07] <onlylove_> yurakucho: 里面就存了个slax的映像和一个diskinfo的包
[05:08] * onlylove_ 至今记不住水晶怎么拼
[05:08] <onlylove_> crys*输入法帮我补全吧……
[05:09] <yurakucho> crystal?
[05:09] <onlylove_> 是的
[05:09] <yurakucho> 记住读音就可以猜拼写了
[05:10] <onlylove_> 这种不常用的
[05:15] <onlylove> http://www.zhihu.com/question/20553237
[05:15] <ubrl> onlylove: ⇪ 有哪些认证或考试，生僻冷门，难度较大，含金量高，而通过自学可以通过的？ - 考试 - 知乎
[05:17] <onlylove> 突然觉得各种培训机构的参与，把各种认证搞的……
[05:18] <MangHuo> 牛牛好久没来了
[05:18] <MangHuo> 谁会日语啊请教个问题
[05:18] <onlylove1> 牛牛？最近有来啊，是你好久没来了好吗
[05:18] <onlylove1> MangHuo: 你要不看看有没有ubuntu-jp，去问下？
[05:20] <onlylove1> MangHuo: 有那个频道，不过人不多
[05:20] <onlylove1> MangHuo: 你是要问啥hentai的问题么？
[05:20] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • 安装过程自动重启 求解决方法 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473940 a08b87d6277f9e2f8c16a04a1b30e924b899f355.jpg 如图,安装到这里点击继续后电脑就自动重启了,系统是ghost的win7,固态硬盘... 求解决方法.... zz: zdjitall — 2015-11-19 13:13
[05:21] <MangHuo> onlylove1: 不，假名的问题
[05:22] <onlylove1> MangHuo: 奇怪，假名不就相当于拼音么，这有啥好问的
[05:23] * onlylove1 装作很懂的样子忽悠 MangHuo
[05:30] <yunfan> onlylove1: 我喜欢二进制整数的
[05:31] <onlylove3> yunfan: 当当也是啊，你看他说1024是整数
[05:33] <onlylove3> 心好累，这渣渣网，谁家缺sa把我带走吧
[05:36] <onlylove__> http://blog.jobbole.com/94693/
[05:36] <ubrl> onlylove__: ⇪ 上线第一年，Instagram 的技术栈都有哪些东西？ - 博客 - 伯乐在线
[05:36] <onlylove__> 这得花多少钱啊
[05:36] <yunfan> onlylove__: 1024不够整
[05:36] <onlylove__> 都跑在amazon上
[05:36] <yunfan> 1024 = 2^10 这里的10是10进制的 其实应该是 2^8 才是够整的
[05:36] <yunfan> 下一个整数是 2^16
[05:37] <onlylove__> yunfan: 你意思是256更整齐？
[05:37] <yunfan> onlylove__: 你没看懂
[05:38] <MangHuo> 日语老司机呢啊
[05:38] * onlylove3 一脚踹掉了显示器线
[05:39] <yunfan> onlylove3: 去哪家？
[05:43] <onlylove3> yunfan: 没想好，昨晚上想了一晚上，不知道自己以后靠啥养活自己，今早上就看到养老金的新闻，真TM扯
[05:43] <onlylove3> yunfan: 我觉得我有必要在变穷之前做点疯狂的事情
[05:44] <onlylove3> yunfan: 好吧，其实我想说的是，在变老之前做点想做的事情
[05:44] <yunfan> onlylove3: 上次我他妈就跟你说过了的
[05:44] <yunfan> onlylove3: 你这意思是打算去参加isis还是库尔德武装？
[05:44] <onlylove3> yunfan: 我记性不好
[05:45] <onlylove3> yunfan: 我胆小，晕血，那地方去不得
[05:45] <yunfan> onlylove3: 上次我们去虾铺虾铺吃饭 你还记得吧
[05:45] <onlylove3> yunfan: 好久的事情了
[05:45] <onlylove__> http://blog.jobbole.com/17675/
[05:45] <ubrl> onlylove__: ⇪ 写给那些对Instagram羡慕嫉妒恨人们的信 - 博客 - 伯乐在线
[05:45] <yunfan> onlylove3: 对啊 我早就觉得你这个做下去不是个头啊
[05:46] <onlylove3> oracle的埃里森会有舍不得买的游艇？
[05:46] <^k^> 新 启动和引导 • initramfs模式下手工引导命令 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473830 使用VHD-UBUNTU系统时候，如果引导失败进入initramfs模式， 可以手动输入命令，挂载根目录，并且手动引导。所需命令如下。 如果是硬盘系统，就不需要前三个命令，直接输入最后两个命令就可以
[05:46] <^k^> ─> 。 （）内的命令是其上一行命令的变形，两者可任选其一。 Code: mkdir /host mount -t ntfs-3g - …
[05:47] <onlylove3> yunfan: 老实说，这事情我来帝都之前就想过了，所以我离开家，但是很多事不是你想就行
[05:47] <onlylove3> yunfan: 我在帝都这三年，发生很多很多变故，多到TM我受不了
[05:48] <yunfan> onlylove3: 然而就算你不想 时间也在慢慢过去 你要慢慢老的 我也是
[05:48] <yunfan> 你看我就错过了泡妞黄金期 现在只能是考虑找个人结婚了
[05:48] <onlylove3> yunfan: 所以我只能说，在我能力范围之内，把我想做的事情先排个顺序，挨个处理了
[05:48] <onlylove3> yunfan: 比方前几天问你的那事情
[05:49] <Niac> onlylove3: 不能批处理吗
[05:49] <onlylove3> yunfan: 虽然近期不会去，但是肯定要去的
[05:49] <^k^> 新 启动和引导 • dracut模式下手动引导命令 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473830 其他发布版，如Fedora Mageia Opensuse，使用dracut。 如果引导失败进入dracut模式，可以手动引导。所需命令如下 硬盘系统只需要最后两个命令。 Code: mkdir /host mount -t ntfs-3g -o rw /dev/sda2 /host kpartx -av /host
[05:49] <^k^> ─> /mageia/mageia.vhd mount -t ext4 -o rw /dev/mapper/loop0p1 /sysroot systemctl switch-root /sysroot /sbin/init zz: niu …
[05:49] <onlylove3> Niac: 批处理也是单线程好么，我是sa，批处理比你玩的好
[05:50] <yunfan> onlylove3: 哪个事情
[05:50] <Niac> onlylove3: --！砸脚了
[05:50] <onlylove3> yunfan: 泡妞什么的，其实这个看个人，有人想花丛里游荡，有人就想找一个伴儿
[05:50] <onlylove3> yunfan: 琴
[05:51] <onlylove3> Niac: 所以你应该问，可不可以统筹下，然后并行处理
[05:51] <Niac> onlylove3: 受教了
[05:51] <onlylove3> Niac: 并行固然是好方法，但是很多事情，并行不了
[05:52] <yunfan> onlylove3: 那是吃饭的？
[05:52] <Niac> onlylove3: 比如？
[05:52] <onlylove3> yunfan: 不是，但是我想做，想做很久了，从来帝都之前就想
[05:52] <onlylove3> yunfan: 我怕以后没机会了
[05:54] <onlylove3> Niac: 统筹方法这个……就是……你自己度娘下呗，实在不行，假设你已经结婚，你和你媳妇办事的时候，你能码代码么
[05:55] <onlylove3> yunfan: 吃饭的东西的话，我倒是可以考虑机电工程师认证，貌似那个证书可以挂靠？
[05:56] <onlylove3> 不过电气设备选型什么的，忘得差不多了
[06:02] * root__
[06:05] <yunfan> onlylove3: 别想太多
[06:06] <yunfan> yurakucho: 要追求2进制整数得用2^8 2^16 这种 别用2^10这种不伦不类的
[06:06] <IntNull> Helloworld
[06:06] <onlylove3> yunfan: 看了下考试规定，貌似我没资格参加专业考试……
[06:06] <onlylove3> yunfan: 不过基础和专业基础倒是可以
[06:07] <yunfan> onlylove3: 这条路不是头
[06:10] <onlylove3> yunfan: 其实我觉得it这路在国内不大好走，国内都是编码多少年当管理CTO啥的，哪有那么多CXO给你玩
[06:11] <onlylove3> yunfan: 家里的话，无非就是CNC操作工人
[06:11] <yunfan> onlylove3: cnc操作工人还不错的 就是也走不长
[06:11] <yunfan> onlylove3: 有钱在家流转点土地吧
[06:12] <onlylove3> yunfan: 如果这个也不好走，那真的很麻烦，毕竟我那对电气工程师基本没需求，IT就更别想了
[06:12] <onlylove3> yunfan: 家里土地早被承包商买的差不多了，流转毛
[06:12] <chencf> luokanjian
[06:13] <IntNull> canfeng
[06:13] <yunfan> onlylove3: 那看地方了
[06:13] <chencf> kandao l
[06:13] <IntNull> ok
[06:13] <chencf> 罗看件
[06:16] <yunfan> onlylove3: 那个jerro呢 最近都没看到他了
[06:19] <onlylove> yunfan: 今早上坐地铁的时候我还在想，二代有时间没来了
[06:20] <onlylove> yunfan: 那家伙古怪想法很多，不过很多不实际
[06:22] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 中行白金返现那个, 卖了礼品卡给别人, 小赚差价 =,=
[06:24] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 白金壕
[06:24] <onlylove> lainme_: 最近有罗杰动静不
[06:25] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 不过自己还是充了500$ 最近有啥可买的?
[06:25] <^k^> 新 服务器基础应用 • apache basic 认证失败了，好像无法提交 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473941 想给自己的网站加密，查阅了一下资料，打算就用apache basic auth 最简单的这招，方法是参考 http://www.pooy.net/apache-allowoverrid ... onfig.html 这篇文章。 设置好之后，当我访问网页时，浏
[06:25] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 过两天呗
[06:26] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 下周估计黑五预热有合适的
[06:26] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 得到了它
[06:26] <yunfan> onlylove: 搞不好是去参加志愿者了
[06:26] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 到时候很有可能需要个 U 盘
[06:27] <yunfan> MangHuo: 到时候有好的通知我
[06:27] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 买买买
[06:27] <yunfan> cc yurakucho
[06:27] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 对的~
[06:27] <MangHuo> yunfan: 刚才淘了个眼镜...
[06:27] <yunfan> 我估计电子产品大降价会
[06:27] <yunfan> MangHuo: 镜框？
[06:28] <MangHuo> yunfan: 一套啊
[06:28] <MangHuo> yunfan: 国内太贵
[06:28] <onlylove__> MangHuo: 黑五那个咋回事
[06:28] <yunfan> MangHuo: 多少?
[06:28] <MangHuo> onlylove__: 等等黑五看有特价了我想买个 u 盘啊
[06:28] <MangHuo> yunfan: 6000 日元
[06:28] <MangHuo> yunfan: 1.74 折射率
[06:28] <yunfan> MangHuo: 也有几百块吧
[06:28] <Niac> 想买几本书 不知道黑五有双十一折扣大不
[06:28] <MangHuo> yunfan: 对啊，但是比国内便宜好多
[06:28] <yunfan> onlylove__: 黑色星期五 你可以搜下这个
[06:29] <yunfan> MangHuo: 没有啊 我镜框在网上买200 镜片线下配200
[06:29] <MangHuo> yunfan: 这么贵.. 淘宝现在 28 一副
[06:29] <onlylove_> yunfan: 如果单从这个关键字搜的话，是13号，周五，不过上周五确实是13号
[06:29] <MangHuo> onlylove__: 这个黑五不是那个黑五
[06:30] <yunfan> MangHuo: 最好是医院打折 降价买激光视力矫正手术 lol
[06:30] <MangHuo> onlylove__: 这个黑五每年一次
[06:30] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 所以问你
[06:30] <yunfan> onlylove_: 是 黑色星期五 电商的
[06:30] <MangHuo> yunfan: 其实不是店商的吧
[06:30] <yunfan> onlylove_: 跟中国双11差不多 你想想下个月 国外最重要的节日是哪个
[06:30] <onlylove_> yunfan: 复活节？
[06:30] <MangHuo> 万恶的资本主义实体店的节日嘛
[06:30] <yunfan> MangHuo: 双11线下也打折嘛 反正就是那个气氛
[06:30] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 感恩
[06:30] <yunfan> onlylove_: thanks giving
[06:31] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 你说的那个黑五，不一定每年一次
[06:31] <yunfan> onlylove_: 是我的问题 忘了说美国
[06:32] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 这东西和双十一比弱爆了吧？当然是和最近几年比
[06:32] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • 请教个grub2的问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473942 grub2命令引导linux grub>set root=( hd 0,7) ＃ 为什么在这是root=hd，到第二行就成了root=sd，grub2里不是不区分IDE和SATA，都用hd么？ grub>linux /boot/vmlinuz-xxx-xxx root=/dev/ sd a7 grub>initrd /boot/initrd.img-xxx-xxx grub>boot zz
[06:32] <^k^> ─> : sluding — 2015-11-19 14:30
[06:32] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 优惠不弱
[06:32] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 优惠力度比双十一大
[06:33] <MangHuo> onlylove_: 加上相对国内价格，加上保真
[06:33] <onlylove_> MangHuo: 那不错，国内很多先涨后降的
[06:33] <yunfan> onlylove_: 双十一一开始还行 现在都是扯淡的
[06:33] <MangHuo> yunfan: 不过还好吧
[06:33] <yunfan> 所以我真讨厌中国那些跟风的
[06:33] <MangHuo> yunfan: 至少，双十一买的东西是这三个月最便宜的
[06:34] <yunfan> 大家都跟着叫着嚷着 最后事情往往就变坏了
[06:34] <yunfan> MangHuo: 便宜几块钱而已 我有各种我想买的东西 比较过 所以双十一之前我干脆去美亚海淘了
[06:34] * yurakucho 双十一买了两件T恤衫, 然后都退了...
[06:34] <MangHuo> yunfan: 天猫也有龟腚的嘛，双十一的价格不能比十月和12月的高
[06:35] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 买了个牛当家，特别赞
[06:35] <yunfan> MangHuo: 我是说没便宜多少 有时候还不如真清库存便宜 反正就是噱头多
[06:35] <onlylove_> yunfan: 其实快递才是麻烦
[06:35] <yunfan> MangHuo: 有什么好包推荐不
[06:36] <MangHuo> 买了两双 NB，发货之前退了， 第一发现是莆田旗舰店的，第二我发现史个庄村的扫地大妈都穿 NB
[06:36] <yunfan> onlylove_: 恩 我的东西 今天才清关结束 tmd
[06:36] <paris_> /j #linux-cn
[06:36] <MangHuo> yunfan: 我也正在求包
[06:36] <yunfan> 害的我忍了一周啊
[06:36] <yunfan> MangHuo: 你求什么包
[06:36] <paris_> /j #linuxmint-cn
[06:36] <yunfan> paris_: /j #linuxcn
[06:36] <MangHuo> yunfan: 日常随身
[06:36] <yunfan> MangHuo: 关键是你日常放什么 要多大那种
[06:36] <yunfan> 还有要什么功能
[06:37] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 我推荐的没错啦
[06:37] <yurakucho> MangHuo: incase
[06:37] <MangHuo> yunfan: 背个相机，pad，kindle，钱包，钥匙，手电..
[06:37] <yunfan> MangHuo: 相机不是有专门的包？ 其他的貌似也用不着多大的包
[06:37] <onlylove___> MangHuo: 你需要旅行箱
[06:38] <MangHuo> yunfan: onlylove___ 请搜索 理光 GR
[06:38] <yunfan> onlylove___: 他要带的东西绝对没我的多
[06:38] <MangHuo> onlylove___: 一般冬天我都揣上衣口袋的
[06:38] <MangHuo> 对，还有 psp
[06:38] <yunfan> 不过我要带的东西放身上没事 要放包里过安检不见得次次都方便过
[06:38] <MangHuo> 再装个耳机
[06:38] <yunfan> 种子我都要带
[06:38] <onlylove___> yunfan: 但是娇贵啊，不过貌似GR是卡片，不是单反，如果是单反，还要带俩镜头啥的
[06:38] <MangHuo> 再装俩u盘
[06:39] <MangHuo> onlylove___: 其实也没啥娇贵的
[06:39] <yunfan> MangHuo: 4k多的相机 lol
[06:39] <yunfan> MangHuo: 你就是相机不好放 其他的都可以数码包一背就行了
[06:39] <onlylove___> MangHuo: 镜头这种精密玩意儿都不娇贵？
[06:39] <MangHuo> yunfan: 相机特别好放啊
[06:39] <MangHuo> yunfan: 比 psp 小
[06:40] <yunfan> MangHuo: 其实可以考虑包里放个薄膜太阳能 卷起来的
[06:40] <MangHuo> onlylove___: 我就是背着通勤而已
[06:40] <yunfan> MangHuo: 大概2k左右
[06:40] <MangHuo> onlylove___: 精密不精密我不关心
[06:40] <onlylove___> MangHuo: 你丫的上班带相机……
[06:40] <onlylove___> MangHuo: 丧病
[06:40] <MangHuo> onlylove___: 放到高级箱子里面就不会拿出来用了，每年用一次，算下来更贵
[06:40] <MangHuo> onlylove___: 我每天带啊
[06:40] <onlylove___> MangHuo: 你带着有啥用
[06:41] <MangHuo> onlylove___: 刚才提到的那些都是每天带啊，如果没带包，就是钱包，相机，手机，钥匙
[06:41] <MangHuo> onlylove___: 万一用呢
[06:41] <onlylove___> MangHuo: 你手机上的相机不能用诶？
[06:41] <onlylove___> MangHuo: 微博微信还方便呢
[06:41] <MangHuo> onlylove___: 这么说吧，凤姐也能用，你咋不要
[06:41] <onlylove___> 虽然我不用那俩
[06:41] <yunfan> https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=24125796987 MangHuo 看看 屌不屌
[06:41] <ubrl> yunfan: ⇪ 柔性薄膜太阳能电池折叠充电器(便携式）72W18伏数码产品通用型-淘宝网全球站 pp: ¥ 5400.00
[06:42] <onlylove___> MangHuo: 你那GR……和手机比……
[06:42] <onlylove___> MangHuo: 何不带5d3
[06:43] <yunfan> https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=520732985933 这是平民款 MangHuo
[06:43] <ubrl> yunfan: ⇪ 奥鹏AP户外便携式折叠太阳能充电器手机移动电源充电板野外充电宝-淘宝网全球站 pp: ¥ 168.00 - 369.00
[06:55] <onlylove1> yunfan: 我现在在新项目组里面就像个局外人，什么事都和我无关
[06:59] <yunfan> onlylove1: 和我在公司差不多
[07:05] <tryit> yunfan, 在哪高就了？
[07:06] <^k^> 新 启动和引导 • 请教个grub2的问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473943 grub2命令引导linux grub>set root=( hd 0,7) ＃为什么在这是root=hd，到第二行就成了root=sd，grub2里不是不区分IDE和SATA，都用hd么？ grub>linux /boot/vmlinuz-xxx-xxx root=/dev/ sd a7 grub>initrd /boot/initrd.img-xxx-xxx grub>boot 还有，第
[07:06] <^k^> ─> 一行和第二行指定root分区有什么区别 谢谢 zz: sluding — 2015-11-19 15:03
[07:16] <onlylove1> tryit: 高管整天问别人在哪高就，准备挖人啊
[07:16] * onlylove1 还是喜欢安静点的键盘
[07:20] <gfxmode> 我们厂有人用的 电容键盘
[07:20] <kandu> yunfan: 我想起来了，上次问你那人的联系方式还没给呢
[07:23] <onlylove> gfxmode: hhkb太贵
[07:27] <gfxmode> onlylove: 哈哈，您好聪明，一猜就猜对了，是HHKB。
[07:30] <^k^> 新 桌面特效 • 关于ubuntu14.04双屏幕问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473944 ubuntu中可不可以实现一下功能： 显卡：GTX 870 启动ubuntu工作区，使第一个工作区显示在笔记本内置屏幕。第二个工作区显示在外接屏幕。 当切换工作区后在不同的显示器工作。 注：非屏幕克隆显示和
[07:30] <^k^> ─> 扩展显示。 zz: mislay — 2015-11-19 15:29
[07:31] <onlylove> gfxmode: 静电容就hhkb和realforce,rf更贵，因为是全键盘
[07:46] <gfxmode> onlylove: 电容键盘的声音小一点
[07:50] <onlylove___> 真TM佩服金山，给NPC压缩数值，还左一次又一次的
[07:50] <onlylove___> 一次性抽取所有npc数据，按比例压缩，改回去不就完了，怎么还抽不全？
[07:51] <onlylove___> 这是DBA的错，还是程序的错
[08:05] <onlylove__> MangHuo: 4300刷掉之后，再刷回官方固件，那个出厂设置还能用不，就是默认无线密码
[08:07] <MangHuo> onlylove__: 不清楚呢
[08:27] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • /boot 的空间不足 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473945 /boot 的空间不足，帮忙看看那些可以干掉 console-setup-linux install libselinux1:amd64 install libselinux1:i386 install linux-firmware install linux-generic install linux-headers-4.2.0-16 install linux-headers-4.2.0-16-generic install linux-headers
[08:27] <^k^> ─> -generic install linux-image-4.2.0-16-generic install linux-image-extra-4.2.0-16-generic install linux-image-generic …
[08:39] * yurakucho 不想看代码了 上网!
[08:42] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 32个赞赞赞！
[08:46] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 你那还缺it 不，我想去你那搬机器
[08:47] <yurakucho> onlylove2: 好像CloudFoundry刚招了个ops
[08:48] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 真的假的……这么好的机会我咋遇不到呢
[08:48] <yurakucho> onlylove2: 我之前都不知道CloudFoundry竟然也是我司的...
[08:49] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 你是代码看多了看傻了
[08:49] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 经常看下newspaper
[08:49] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 比方说微软要和猫猫合作这种事，你要知道
[08:50] <yurakucho> onlylove2: 这个还是晓得的
[08:50] <yurakucho> onlylove2: 公司架构什么的不清楚
[08:51] <yurakucho> onlylove2: 入职之后才发现现在我司还是很厉害...
[08:54] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 你难道打算找个很菜的小公司？
[08:54] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 那欢迎来我司
[08:54] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 人力外包什么的
[08:56] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 说起来，我前同事去博彦了，前几天我还接到博彦的电话
[08:56] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 不过老实说，我真心不想去这种外包了，拿不到钱
[08:57] <onlylove2> 我司的vmware业务被博彦抢走了不少的样子
[08:58] <yurakucho> 确实没什么劲
[08:59] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 要不你也搞个Instagram？
[09:00] <yurakucho> onlylove2: 没兴趣
[09:01] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 创业你都没兴趣，那你想做啥？找个妹子，白天么么哒，晚上啪啪啪？
[09:02] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 骚年，梦想是要有滴，万一成功了呢
[09:06] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 当然了，你要是就想面朝大海，春暖花开，那也不错，只要是你想要的
[09:07] <yurakucho> onlylove2: 好为人师这种心态要不得啊
[09:08] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 好为人师，哈哈哈哈，你别闹
[09:17] <yurakucho> MangHuo: yuning_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1463112
[09:17] <ubrl> ⇪ f: Bug #1463112 “Cat sitting on keyboard crashes lightdm” : Bugs : unity package : Ubuntu
[09:17] <MangHuo> ...
[09:18] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 居然有图...
[09:18] <yurakucho> MangHuo: lol
[09:18] <yurakucho> MangHuo: 确实是个bug, 写的好玩而已
[09:19] <MangHuo> yurakucho: 猫不够多，不能复现啊
[09:19] <yuning_> yurakucho, oh, I have another reproducer, my son can also reproduce this issue
[09:19] <onlylove2> yurakucho: 我是配不上师这个称谓的，师者，所以传道授业解惑者也
[09:19] <yurakucho> MangHuo: up主写了, 人坐上去也行
[09:20] <yurakucho> yuning_: 哈哈哈 可惜我没有 否则我就回了
[09:24] <MangHuo> yuning_: reproduce && 贴图
[09:24] <MangHuo> lol
[09:24] <onlylove_> yurakucho: 图呢，我要看cat！
[09:29] <onlylove_> yurakucho: 看到了，在文里面贴的链接
[09:33] <onlylove1> yurakucho: 差评，他说那cat是black，明明有白毛
[09:34] <onlylove1> 算了，不是一个人发的文
[09:37] <gebjgd> yurakucho, 新公司妹子多么
[09:37] <gebjgd> yurakucho, 约了么
[09:38] <onlylove1> gebjgd: 他明显没约到
[09:38] <gebjgd> onlylove1, 你又知道
[09:38] <onlylove1> gebjgd: 约到了会在这吹水？
[09:39] <gebjgd> onlylove1, 说不好
[09:40] <yunfan> tryit: 还是原来公司啊 只是肉身移动了下而已
[09:40] <yunfan> kandu: 我把你的联系方式给过那人 估计他又不想招人了
[09:43] <kandu> yunfan: 哎呀，我要找他聊聊
[09:43] <kandu> yunfan: 他不想招人，我倒想找他呢
[09:43] <onlylove1> kandu: 你要作甚，把人挖过来？
[09:44] <kandu> onlylove1: 我要求包养
[09:44] <onlylove1> kandu: 我还以为你要把人挖过来，帮你招人
[09:45] * kandu 哭天抢地求包养
[09:45] * pocmon is away: 闪不闪...
[09:46] * pocmon is back (gone 00:00:00)
[09:46] * pocmon is back (gone 00:00:02)
[09:46] * pocmon is away: 闪不闪...
[09:46] * pocmon is away: 闪不闪...
[09:47] <gfxmode> 下班，今天不加班
[09:58] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.10 • 初学者安装遇到问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473946 我用USBWRITER将ubuntu15写入到了U盘里面，安装开机，启动，U盘引导，进入安装的界面，提示分区，我把windows系统的最后一个区，30G，分成了28G和2G，28G挂在到了/分区，2G设置位交换空间。然后开始
[09:58] <^k^> ─> 安装，到下面就不动了，什么一丝，请指教，我的windows是XP的系统。 http://b.picphotos.baidu.c …
[10:06] <Guest88917> 检查系统镜像是否完好，正常的话直接进入到安装面了。或者重新写入U盘在试一遍
[10:43] <luzhlon> 你们都用的哪个irc客户端
[11:11] <WL_mutou> 哈喽，大家晚上好
[11:26] <CyrusYzGTt> xchat
[11:26] <WL_mutou> ...
[12:21] <sennn> hi
[12:21] <ubrl> sennn:点点点. 20:24
[12:26] <Guest88917> Hexchat
[12:26] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 竟然是图片 http://i1.xiaohua.fd.zol-img.com.cn/t_s600x5000/g3/M05/00/07/Cg-4WFI2oSWIVSSqAAEjRtWeCZYAALq-QHKUA8AASNe007.jpg 小狗牌炉灶
[12:34] <sennn> 為什麼加入#mandarin 需要驗證?
[12:35] <sennn> 沒人嗎?
[12:42] <Ueno_Otoko> sennn, 在 freenode 注册自己的昵称即可
[12:43] <Ueno_Otoko> sennn, /msg NickServ REGISTER <password> <email-address>
[12:44] <sennn> thinks
[12:44] <sennn> thanks
[12:51] <WL_mutou> 请问，ebay 如何取消订单呀？
[12:51] <sennn> 屌 居然在ebay買東西
[12:52] <WL_mutou> 我泪个去
[12:52] <WL_mutou> 订单取消不了？
[12:52] <WL_mutou> 没有付款
[12:53] <sennn> 不作死就不會死
[12:55] <WL_mutou> ：（
[12:56] <WL_mutou> 取消了两个，
[12:56] <WL_mutou> 第三个没办法
[12:56] <WL_mutou> 没看几取消的选项
[12:56] <WL_mutou> 呜呜
[12:56] <WL_mutou> 。。。
[12:59] <sennn> 節哀
[13:00] <WL_mutou> Nothing,我的地址是写错误的，也还没有付款呢
[13:00] <WL_mutou> :)
[13:00] <sennn> 哦
[13:01] <WL_mutou> sennn
[13:01] <WL_mutou> 这么多的n
[13:01] <sennn> 嗯
[13:02] <WL_mutou> 恩，sennn下班了没？
[13:02] <sennn> 壓根沒上班
[13:02] <WL_mutou> 哎。给seller发邮件了
[13:03] <WL_mutou> 不知道会怎么样。
[13:03] <WL_mutou> 额额
[13:03] <WL_mutou> student?
[13:03] <sennn> 非也
[13:03] <sennn> 無業遊民
[13:03] <WL_mutou> 嘿嘿，厉害
[13:04] <WL_mutou> 我也想做无业游民
[13:04] <sennn> 為何
[13:04] <WL_mutou> 无业游民好啊，
[13:04] <WL_mutou> 想做啥就做啥，不用天天加班呀
[13:04] <sennn> 哎
[13:05] <WL_mutou> 哎啥？
[13:05] <sennn> 待業人員,沒啥好的
[13:06] <sennn> 現在就業形式很嚴峻
[13:06] <sennn> 二次下崗潮
[13:06] <WL_mutou> 是很严峻，但是我也发现
[13:06] <WL_mutou> 事实上，
[13:06] <WL_mutou> 还是有很多工作滴
[13:06] <WL_mutou> 或者，自己出来搞呀
[13:06] <WL_mutou> 创业
[13:07] <sennn> 都是臨時工?
[13:07] <WL_mutou> 我擦，怎么会呢？
[13:07] <sennn> 創的一頭包
[13:07] <sennn> 還創業
[13:07] <WL_mutou> 我几乎天天都看见有人在招牌
[13:07] <WL_mutou> 招聘
[13:08] <sennn> 干幾天就滾蛋的臨時工啊
[13:08] <sennn> 都是
[13:08] <WL_mutou> 怎么说呢？在世界经济危机的时候，事实上还是有公司在发展的，
[13:08] <WL_mutou> 木有哦
[13:09] <sennn> 至少我們這裡都是
[13:09] <sennn> 哎
[13:09] <WL_mutou> 或说sennn是哪行的？
[13:09] <WL_mutou> 我是板砖的
[13:09] <WL_mutou> 嘿嘿，
[13:09] <WL_mutou> 所以啊，到处都地方要板砖
[13:10] <WL_mutou> 等几天就可以找到另外的地方了
[13:10] <WL_mutou> 不过最近不想跑了，
[13:10] <sennn> 我是和泥的
[13:10] <sennn> 就是
[13:10] <WL_mutou> what is 和泥?
[13:10] <ubrl> WL_mutou: define:和泥 利用现成的水来搅泥。比喻乘机行事。 ◎ 姚雪垠《李自成》第三卷第11章：“这母货不 早不晚，来的恰好。趁水|和泥|，趁热打铁，捎带着把她收拾啦吧。” ◎ 偏正式；作谓语、 ...
[13:10] <sennn> 累啊
[13:10] <WL_mutou> 额，
[13:11] <WL_mutou> 哎，人活着哪个不累呀
[13:11] <WL_mutou> 只不过，
[13:11] <WL_mutou> 在泪里面找乐趣，
[13:11] <WL_mutou> 嘿嘿
[13:11] <WL_mutou> 那不也是挺有趣的么？
[13:12] <WL_mutou> @sennn
[13:12] <WL_mutou> 和哪个的泥?
[13:12] <WL_mutou> 胶水大蟒蛇么？
[13:13] <sennn> 我不想這麼jian
[13:13] <WL_mutou> 还是咖啡？
[13:13] <WL_mutou> jian 又是神码？
[13:13] <sennn> 和大便
[13:13] <WL_mutou> 大便不也挺好的么？我现在就用着大便
[13:14] <WL_mutou> 大便 7.6
[13:14] <WL_mutou> 嘿嘿
[13:14] <sennn> jian =cheap
[13:14] <yunfan> kandu: 你这么快就急求工作了 ？
[13:15] <WL_mutou> @sennn多少才不觉得 jian?
[13:16] <sennn> 100000/month
[13:16] <sennn> RMB
[13:16] <WL_mutou> 额，额，额
[13:16] <WL_mutou> 腻害
[13:17] <WL_mutou> but, what do you want to do ?
[13:17] <sennn> 最少百萬年薪
[13:18] <WL_mutou> 额额，额
[13:18] <sennn> 公司發展市場指導
[13:18] <WL_mutou> 牛
[13:18] <sennn> 我的強項
[13:20] <sennn> 發展方向定位 與 策劃指導
[13:20] <WL_mutou> sennn: 求带装比求带飞
[13:20] <sennn> 市場研究
[13:20] <WL_mutou> 我泪个去，
[13:21] <sennn> 去啥
[13:21] <WL_mutou> 算了，这不是我的强项
[13:21] <sennn> 產品包裝 與推廣
[13:21] <WL_mutou> 。。。
[13:22] <sennn> 後期銷售指導
[13:22] <WL_mutou> 你这哪里是和大便呀？
[13:22] <sennn> 高級總監
[13:23] <sennn> 技術小強
[13:23] <WL_mutou> 喔糙，腻害
[13:24] <sennn> 尤其擅長國外市場深入策劃
[13:24] <sennn> 品牌運營總監
[13:24] <WL_mutou> 嘿嘿
[13:25] <sennn> 海外市場部攻關經理
[13:25] <WL_mutou> 那么海外市场，什么最重要呢？
[13:25] <WL_mutou> 如果要销售一个产品到海外
[13:26] <sennn> 電腦卡了
[13:27] <sennn> 忽悠最重要
[13:27] <WL_mutou> 额，我泪个去，就开个irc也能卡？
[13:27] <WL_mutou> 忽悠，那结果出不来咋办？
[13:27] <sennn> 必須有結果
[13:28] <WL_mutou> 没有业绩咋办？
[13:28] <sennn> 不可能
[13:28] <WL_mutou> 哎，
[13:28] <WL_mutou> 就是没达到效果
[13:28] <sennn> 什麼效果?
[13:29] <WL_mutou> 就是，比如本来要做的功能或业绩，结果拖了好久了，
[13:29] <WL_mutou> 还是没有当时吹的效果
[13:29] <WL_mutou> 这不就蛋疼了么？
[13:29] <WL_mutou> 那接下来还怎么忽悠呀？
[13:30] <sennn> 吹牛要有本錢的,你以為真不上稅啊
[13:30] <WL_mutou> 额，额，额
[13:30] <WL_mutou> 我泪个去
[13:31] <WL_mutou> 因为没有上税，
[13:31] <WL_mutou> 所以，我不敢忽悠了
[13:31] <WL_mutou> 我还是老实些吧
[13:32] <sennn> 企業建構運維還是很重要的
[13:34] <sennn> 企業運行管理,用人,企業文化都是最重要的
[13:34] <WL_mutou> 咳，以前或者现在是这样
[13:34] <WL_mutou> 但是以后未必就会是这样了
[13:34] <sennn> 哎,正在尋找伯樂
[13:35] <WL_mutou> 嘿嘿，
[13:35] <WL_mutou> 年薪百万
[13:35] <WL_mutou> 你得慢慢等吧
[13:36] <sennn> 用我者昌 棄我者亡!
[13:36] <WL_mutou> 哈哈
[13:37] <WL_mutou> 其实我觉得吧
[13:37] <WL_mutou> 为嘛非得要人来用自己？
[13:37] <WL_mutou> 说到底，那样其实还是给别人打工
[13:37] <WL_mutou> 还不如自己搞
[13:37] <sennn> 沒有資本
[13:38] <WL_mutou> 嘿嘿，谁刚开始也没有资本啊
[13:38] <WL_mutou> 资本不是慢慢积累的么？
[13:38] <WL_mutou> 关键吧，还是得找到出路吧
[13:38] <WL_mutou> 这年头，啥都有人搞，
[13:38] <sennn> 無產階級 永遠沒有翻身之日
[13:39] <WL_mutou> 嘿嘿，
[13:39] <WL_mutou> 这话说得，
[13:39] <sennn> 剝削無盡的剝削
[13:39] <WL_mutou> 好像当初资产阶级就是有资本的一样
[13:40] <sennn> 自比江左梅郎
[13:40] <WL_mutou> 哎，老想别人给年薪百万
[13:40] <WL_mutou> 我觉得，还不如自己去搞年薪百万
[13:41] <sennn> 相當自信
[13:41] <sennn> 永遠不為共黨賣命
[13:42] <sennn> 這是底線
[13:42] <WL_mutou> 哈哈，
[13:42] <sennn> 點到為止,明白就好
[13:42] <WL_mutou> 这当然可以
[13:42] <WL_mutou> 自己搞，
[13:43] <sennn> 身無分文,胸有大志,如何搞
[13:43] <WL_mutou> 听说过10倍利yun么？
[13:44] <sennn> 從不投機
[13:44] <WL_mutou> 不是说没资本，应该说没找到发财的路
[13:44] <WL_mutou> 哎，怎么说呢，也不叫投机吧，就是找市场而已嘛
[13:45] <sennn> 這個也是 一種
[13:45] <sennn> 投機
[13:45] <WL_mutou> 我泪个去
[13:45] <WL_mutou> 也对，就是投机
[13:46] <WL_mutou> 有人找给你年薪百万，或说，这算不算也是一种投机？
[13:47] <sennn> 卡了電腦
[13:47] <WL_mutou> 我泪个去，你开了什么？
[13:47] <sennn> 這不是以小博大,是等價交換
[13:47] <WL_mutou> 就一个erc，这还能卡？
[13:48] <sennn> 好了電腦又
[13:48] <WL_mutou> 你就想信天朝有公平？
[13:48] <WL_mutou> 我泪个去
[13:49] <sennn> 相對的公平
[13:50] <WL_mutou> 哎，我就不相信天chao能有公平
[13:50] <WL_mutou> 就像你刚才说的，资产阶级
[13:50] <sennn> 紅色資本階級
[13:50] <WL_mutou> 永远压炸着无产
[13:50] <sennn> 黑得很
[13:51] <WL_mutou> 富人越来越富，穷人越来越穷，
[13:51] <WL_mutou> 还谈什么等价交换
[13:51] <sennn> 這就是所謂的特色
[13:52] <sennn> 哎
[13:52] <WL_mutou> 另寻曲径，
[13:52] <sennn> 人種之間,差距還是很大的
[13:53] <WL_mutou> 管什么是不是投机
[13:53] <WL_mutou> 不扯了，
[13:53] <sennn> 哦
[13:53] <WL_mutou> 该找cai路去了，嘿嘿
[13:54] <sennn> 哦
[14:40] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 15.04 • 求助：WIN8.1下U盘引导ubuntu1504,无法安装，详细如下 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473947 WIN8.1下U盘引导ubuntu1504,无法安装，提示：minimal bashlike line editing is supported...小白，请详细说下，是U盘引导做的有问题，还是别的，谢谢。（U盘引导是用Win32DiskImager-0.9.5-instal
[14:40] <^k^> ─> l程度做） zz: zhangXX — 2015-11-19 21:40
[14:44] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS • GPartde？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473948 GPartde 菜单：分区－－》新建 建一分区。 菜单：分区－－格式化为 上面分区，格式化为：ext2 1.U盘执行上面操作后，就可以使用了。对么？ 2.设备－－》创建分区表。有什么作用？ zz: Qubun — 2015-11-19 22:44
[14:56] <^k^> 新 启动和引导 • BIOS的"after power loss"设置为"last state",关机状态下断电再通电,依然自动开机? http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=473949 BIOS的"after power loss"设置为"last state",关机状态下断电再通电,依然自动开机? zz: 科学之子 — 2015-11-19 22:55
[23:09] <^k^> lainme: 拜才女
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"authors": [
"CyrusYzGTt",
"Guest88917",
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-app-devel
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[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <Kivi> morning
[08:33] <Kivi> !ping
[10:45] <rpadovani> mhall119, o/ how are you? :-)
[10:49] <popey> Asleep probably :)
[10:50] <rpadovani> well, I'll ping him later then :D
[10:50] <popey> \o/ coffee time
[12:23] <peter1858> Hi. I'm interested in starting a game project (or finding out if there's something similar going). I'd like to see if I can get people together a bit at a time and try and grow support.
[12:37] <popey> zbenjamin, what's the magic incantation to clear up all these schroots :(
[12:37] <popey> zbenjamin, schroot --all-sessions --end-session tells me I have files open
[12:38] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13344821/
[12:45] <bzoltan_> popey: I usually use lazy umount, that helps
[12:45] <popey> how? I just booted my pc, not opened any sdk things at all and it's mounted
[12:56] * popey reboots to single user mode to nuke these schroots >:|
[13:55] <popey> balloons, did you see the ping yesterday from Stefano about docviewer stuff not landing? https://core-apps-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/docviewer-app-autolanding/
[13:56] <popey> nothing seems to be happening there
[14:28] <popey> bzoltan_, zbenjamin i updated my desktop to the new shiny sdk, and now i have two icons in my dash, ubuntu-sdk and ubuntu-sdk-ide... is that right?
[14:28] <popey> I opened ubuntu-sdk-ide and get an OpenGL error :S
[14:29] <zbenjamin> popey: an opengl error? Thats a new one. What Ubuntu version are you running?
[14:29] <popey> 15.10
[14:29] <zbenjamin> popey: first the two icons: did you remove the qtcreator as described in the mail/blog post?
[14:30] <popey> http://imgur.com/tCXqJI4
[14:30] <zbenjamin> the old
[14:30] <popey> no
[14:30] <popey> i just dist-upgraded like I usually do
[14:30] <popey> wouldn't normally have to read emails to update my machine :)
[14:31] <zbenjamin> popey: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/blog/2015/11/19/here-comes-brand-new-ubuntu-sdk-ide-tools/
[14:31] <zbenjamin> popey: the gl error is weird. Does QtC still start?
[14:32] <popey> there's 3 of those dialogs
[14:32] <popey> I can't dismiss them
[14:32] * popey breaks out xkill
[14:32] <popey> no, qtc won't launch
[14:32] <popey> same errors
[14:32] <zbenjamin> dang
[14:33] * popey removes qtcreator and qtcreator-plugin*
[14:33] <popey> it worries me that others may see this without having seen the blog post
[14:34] <zbenjamin> popey: it should not harm , other than having 2 qtcs installed.
[14:34] <zbenjamin> popey: you could try to reset your config
[14:35] <zbenjamin> popey: opengl does work for you?`
[14:35] <popey> nuked some files
[14:35] <zbenjamin> Mirv: ^ ^ ^ ^
[14:35] <popey> now it starts
[14:35] <zbenjamin> popey: what did you kill?
[14:35] <popey> had to nuke some stuff in .config - the usual QtProject QtProject.conf and ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[14:35] <popey> now if i run qtcreator I get the usual sdk wizard
[14:36] <zbenjamin> popey: weird ... oO how could that create a opengl problem ....
[14:36] <popey> so I guess before I removed qtc, I was launching the old one with the new libs?
[14:36] <zbenjamin> popey: finish the wizard and see if you then get the error
[14:36] * Mirv sees SDK upgrade without any special PPA:s, updates his 14.04!
[14:37] <popey> ok, will take a while, I want to make kits
[14:37] <zbenjamin> popey: you can make kits always :D, just don't waste your time
[14:38] <zbenjamin> popey: also the chroots are still there
[14:38] <popey> no, i manually nuked them
[14:38] <popey> wanted to start clean on this machine
[14:38] <popey> "clean"
[14:38] <zbenjamin> aa ok :), well you can always add chroots in Tools->Options->ubuntu->click
[14:39] <Mirv> zbenjamin: is it ok that the ubuntu-sdk-api* (which seem new packages) don't get installed by default?
[14:39] <zbenjamin> Mirv: yes its a alternative to the dynamic chroots
[14:39] <Mirv> zbenjamin: ok
[14:41] <Mirv> zbenjamin: no error pops up on my 14.04 LTS after upgrade. the only confusing thing is that there are both Ubuntu SDK and Ubuntu SDK IDE items that start the same thing
[14:45] <Mirv> zbenjamin: bzoltan_: very solid work, I don't even know how you've so firmly managed to put it so that the new SDK/QtCreator is always started and I don't manage to start the old, installed one even if I purge and re-install it :)
[14:46] <Mirv> no package error to be seen
[15:12] <popey> zbenjamin, aaaargh!
[15:13] <popey> during the kit creation it crapped out at the end, and forcibly unmounted my _home_ partition
[15:13] <zbenjamin> popey: encryptfs?
[15:13] <popey> yes
[15:14] <zbenjamin> popey: that never worked ... let me guess your old machine was not encrypted?
[15:14] <popey> old machine?
[15:14] <zbenjamin> popey: or old install
[15:14] <popey> this is my desktop which has been around for a long while
[15:14] <popey> pretty sure it worked.
[15:14] <popey> not used it for a while, tend to use my laptop mostly
[15:14] <zbenjamin> you worked around it probably
[15:16] <zbenjamin> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1427264/comments/15
[15:16] <popey> :(
[15:16] <popey> thanks
[15:31] <popey> zbenjamin, Mirv ignore the opengl error, looks like my nvidia driver broke :(
[15:47] <popey> sverzegnassi, this is looking great
[15:47] <popey> I am surprised how fast it is on the E4.5!
[15:48] <balloons> popey, also https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-internet-check-jenkins/+merge/278026
[15:48] <balloons> for file manager, if you don't mind
[15:49] <popey> done
[15:52] <popey> sverzegnassi, file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.docviewer/0.3.latest/qml/loView/LOViewPage.qml:266:13: QML QQuickImage: Cannot open: file:///opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.docviewer/0.3.latest/graphics/libreoffice.png
[15:53] <popey> sverzegnassi, looks like libreoffice.png isn't installed, probably missed out of cmake?
[15:55] <sverzegnassi> popey: yeah, you're right... didn't had a look at it (it's something that comes from a local branch on my PC)
[15:55] <sverzegnassi> not pushed on LP yet
[15:55] <popey> k
[15:58] <sverzegnassi> I have to go now, thanks popey and balloons!
[15:58] <popey> o/
[15:58] <balloons> sverzegnassi, cheers, thanks
[16:12] <bzoltan_> Mirv: wow :) No idea what causes that
[16:34] <aitzol76> Anyone who is trying with javascript scopes? I can't solve the this problem in the "Scope Previews" https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-js-scopes/+bug/1516447
[16:35] <davidcalle> alex-abreu ^
[16:36] <alex-abreu> aitzol76, ack I'll have a look at it
[16:40] <popey> ahayzen, gang65 was just updating me on the ongoing issue with uitk1.3 and headerless apps (weather, clock, calculator) - is this a bug in the toolkit?
[16:41] <ahayzen> popey, what particular issue?
[16:42] <ahayzen> there is an animation on startup, but other than that its sortof ok
[16:42] <ahayzen> and an animation when you then switch to a page with a header
[16:42] <ahayzen> those two a minimal
[16:42] <ahayzen> the bigger issue is the weird offset the second time you drag the bottom edge up (but its only in the hint, its fine when its pushed) so that is also pretty minimal
[16:44] <popey> he seems to have gone afk
[16:44] <popey> he was a bit vague tbh
[16:46] <ahayzen> popey, try the branch see what you think... ;-)
[16:47] <popey> ok :)
[16:49] <aitzol76> thank you alex-abreu, I'm trying the soundcloud example on Desktop and 15.04 framework
[16:50] <ahayzen> popey, this branch if you were wondering ;-) https://code.launchpad.net/~ahayzen/ubuntu-weather-app/reboot-uc1.3-bump/+merge/276466
[16:50] * popey builds
[16:51] <popey> with keys
[16:54] <ahayzen> ;-)
[16:55] <popey> ahayzen, er, that header is a bit nasty
[16:55] <ahayzen> popey, define 'nasty' ;-)
[16:56] * popey relaunches a few times
[16:56] <ahayzen> haha
[16:56] <ahayzen> i should try it on mobile a bit more, been testing mainly on desktop
[16:57] <popey> it's a bit janky but it will probably be okay
[16:57] <ahayzen> yeah, i'm still not totally sure if its us or the SDK
[16:57] <ahayzen> i'm thinking the latter
[16:59] <ahayzen> zsombi, timp, if i had an app with head { locked: true; visible: false } would you expect the header to be initially show after startup and then slide away or not appear at all?
[17:02] <popey> https://youtu.be/OMqJbc6H6IY - launching weather
[17:03] <popey> https://youtu.be/-12zhplF8f0 - swipe up
[17:03] <popey> ahayzen, i retract my statement that it's nasty
[17:03] <popey> if we're gonna have that header we should enable the header in the .desktop file?
[17:03] <popey> so it transitions smoothly?
[17:04] <popey> then goes away
[17:04] <ahayzen> popey, that swipe up isn't bad, but if you do it again the offset will be wrong and parts hidden in the swipe
[17:04] <ahayzen> popey, i guess we could do that :-/
[17:04] <ahayzen> popey, lets see if the SDK folks say anything, eg what they would expect to happen ;-)
[17:05] <popey> have you pinged any sdk people?
[17:05] <greyback> too many animations :)
[17:05] <ahayzen> popey, at 16:59:05 ^^ ;-)
[17:06] <ahayzen> greyback, yeah its pretty distracting :-)
[17:07] <greyback> ahayzen: I share that opinion. It looks pretty, but there are odd things popping-in/out which spoil the fluidity and this attract my eye
[17:13] <popey> ahayzen, what do other apps which have no header do?
[17:13] <ahayzen> probably the same code, but i haven't tried the others, IIRC Victor has
[17:13] <popey> do such apps even exist
[17:14] <popey> i mean, non core
[17:14] <ahayzen> popey, clock ?
[17:14] <ahayzen> oh
[17:14] <ahayzen> ooooooh
[17:14] <popey> all the rest have headers
[17:14] <ahayzen> erm the fullscreen games?
[17:14] <ahayzen> or certain personal apps :-)
[17:15] <ahayzen> Camera ?
[17:15] <popey> they're not qml
[17:15] <popey> We'd need an app which is a) qml, b) not full screen, c) has no header
[17:15] <ahayzen> my volleyball one is :') but thats still 1.1 or something
[17:15] <popey> d) on the phone
[17:16] <ahayzen> volleyball is on the phone ;-)
[17:16] <popey> :)
[17:16] <ahayzen> popey, uTorch ?
[17:16] <ahayzen> but again only the core/system apps have bumped to 1.3 so far
[17:16] <popey> utorch has a heade
[17:16] <popey> +r
[17:17] <popey> i love the blue expanding thing in utorch
[17:17] <popey> i sometimes open the app just to play with that
[17:17] <ahayzen> is that a header? how have they got no separator and the text is huge
[17:18] <popey> i think so
[17:19] <ahayzen> anyway, that doesn't really help us
[17:21] <ahayzen> popey, the clock's mp https://code.launchpad.net/~gang65/ubuntu-clock-app/ubuntu-clock-app-uitk1.3/+merge/276650
[17:21] <ahayzen> they do the locking the same way, so does theirs animate ?
[17:22] <popey> hey gang65
[17:22] <popey> was just discussing the issue with ahayzen
[17:22] <ahayzen> \o/
[17:22] <gang65> :-D
[17:22] <gang65> Ok great
[17:22] <ahayzen> gang65, clock suffers the same weird slide in affect at startup right ?
[17:23] <gang65> yes
[17:23] <ahayzen> (so its something in the SDK not the weather app)
[17:23] <ahayzen> cool
[17:23] <gang65> In clock we are using also headers for Options
[17:23] <ahayzen> yeah its very similar in flow
[17:23] <gang65> And it is also visible during switching from options to Clock
[17:24] <ahayzen> ah yeah, popey also try pressing the settings button and watch the header animation
[17:24] <popey> yeah
[17:24] <gang65> With Calculator we have problem with BottomEdgePage on which we are storing Favourite calculations
[17:25] <gang65> When you start Calculator keyboard is at bottom
[17:25] <ahayzen> popey, as Victor said you get an animation with the word "Weather" in the header which then changes to "Settings" as it animates
[17:25] <popey> yeah, saw that
[17:26] <popey> can one of you file a uiik bug, and we can add the videos to the description?
[17:26] <popey> I can upload my clicks too
[17:26] <ahayzen> i don't think Victor did make a bug
[17:26] * ahayzen checks
[17:27] <ahayzen> can't see one, popey we should really have a minimal example not a full app, the SDK guys would prefer that ;-)
[17:28] <ahayzen> gang65, popey, i'll create a bug report :-)
[17:28] <popey> well, the clicks are here, if needed http://people.canonical.com/~alan/uitk1.3bug/
[17:30] <ahayzen> :-)
[17:30] <nemo> Say, is there any reason that: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/hedgewars/ only has up to 13.10 ?
[17:30] <ahayzen> cool, if i get a moment i might make a quick blank QML file with the issue, unless someone else wants to ;-)
[17:30] <nemo> and claims latest version is 0.9.19 ? (is actually 0.9.22)
[17:30] <nemo> is apps.ubuntu.com unmaintained now?
[17:30] <popey> yes
[17:30] <nemo> 'k
[17:31] <ahayzen> nemo, i usually use http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[17:31] <nemo> should maybe have a notice somewhere
[17:31] <popey> ditto
[17:31] <popey> beuno, ^ see comment from nemo
[17:31] <popey> (he owns it)
[17:31] <nemo> I mostly went just to see what people were saying of latest versions, since all my machines are on LTS
[17:32] <nemo> heh. https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/trusty/?q=Hedgewars riiight
[17:33] <nemo> popey: and, yeah, familiar w/ packages.ubuntu.com - been using it to check if latest version has finally been promoted to backports, but just was curious about user comments
[17:36] <ahayzen> popey, something like bug 1518002 ? (i'll make and add a mini example code in a bit if no one else has)
zsombi, timp, if i had an app with head { locked: true; visible: false } would you expect the header to be initially show after startup and then slide away or not appear at all?
[17:56] <popey> pmcgowan, fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1518002 could be considered a blocker for some of the core apps (clock/calc/weather)
[17:56] <timp> ahayzen: It should't appear at all, but if you first have another page with a header and you switch, it should slide away.
[17:56] <popey> pmcgowan, videos linked from comment there, so you can see what happens and judge for yourself.
[17:57] <ahayzen> timp, have a look at the bug report ^^ for the videos
[17:57] <ahayzen> timp, i'm probably gonna try and create a mini app to confirm and then you can test against ?
[17:57] <timp> ahayzen: but the configuration using Page.head is a bit complex. We have a new header property in Page (in UITK staging), which works much better
[17:57] <timp> ahayzen: what is the bug?
[17:57] <ahayzen> timp, bug 1518002
[17:58] <timp> ok. I didn't read the full backlog, only the line where I was highlighte.d
[17:58] <timp> thanks
[17:58] <ahayzen> :-)
[17:59] <ahayzen> timp, this affects calc/clock/weather btw
[18:13] <timp> ahayzen, popey: right. Once we land the new header stuff this can all be fixed in the apps. I'll be glad to help you with it.
[18:13] <ahayzen> \o/
[18:13] <timp> ahayzen, popey: Basically it is fixed in UITK, but the apps will need to be updated to use the new stuff
[18:13] <ahayzen> thanks for the comment on the bug
[18:14] <ahayzen> timp, is that stuff in the current OTA8 ?
[18:14] <timp> no
[18:14] <timp> OTA9 I assume, but I need to check with bzoltan_ who does our landings.
[18:15] <popey> i hear there may be a hotfix between now and then
[18:15] <popey> :D
[18:15] <ahayzen> hehe
[18:15] * ahayzen has already reported one bug that was considered for a hotfix
[18:18] <timp> this change adds a bunch of new components that you can use, so the hotfix would probably mean landing UITK staging
[18:18] <timp> I did fix two smaller header-related bugs, including ahayzen's that can more easily be made into a small hotfix. I just need to be told to create the MR and someone (zoltan) needs to land ti
[18:18] <timp> *it
[18:19] <timp> otherwise it will simply be included in our next landing of staging
[18:21] <imba> hi
[19:25] <ahayzen> timp, that issue Victor said in the mp i *always* get as well
[19:25] <ahayzen> or used to...
[19:26] <ahayzen> used to *always* \o/
[19:26] <timp> ahayzen: wow. I typed my response just now. Is there a camera watching me somewhere? ;)
[19:26] <ahayzen> timp, i get desktop notifications of emails
[19:26] <timp> ah :)
[19:26] <timp> ahayzen: how do you use that file? I always "source export_modules_dir.sh" and it works fine
[19:26] <ahayzen> for a long time i had todo $ . build_paths.inc
[19:27] <ahayzen> $ source export_modules_dir.sh
[19:27] <ahayzen> bash: /bin/build_paths.inc: No such file or directory
[19:27] <ahayzen> ah i still get it :-)
[19:27] <timp> ahayzen: can you report a bug?
[19:27] <ahayzen> so what i have todo is run $ . build_paths.inc ... and then run the others manually
[19:27] <ahayzen> timp, i can if Victor doesn't first
[19:27] * ahayzen has a list of bugs to report :')
[19:28] <timp> I guess that is less work than having a list of bugs to fix ;)
[19:28] <ahayzen> timp, against uitk right?
[19:28] <timp> ahayzen: yes, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[19:28] <ahayzen> cool either me or Victor will at some point this evening :-)
[19:29] <timp> ahayzen: ok, thanks
[19:29] <timp> zbenjamin: ^ see https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/lessHeaderDisabling/+merge/277713/comments/703424
[19:31] <timp> the code that we have there now makes sense to me. I don't know why it some times doesn't work.
[19:34] <timp> ahayzen: about bug 1518002, a mini app attached to a bug report is always good :)
[19:34] <ahayzen> timp, also on my list todo :-)
[19:34] <timp> great :)
[19:35] * ahayzen needs a PA
[21:58] <ahayzen> timp, bug 1518106
[23:17] <mcphail> Do we have a way for a confined app to read/write to the SD card yet?
[23:18] <mcphail> (beyond content-hub)?
[23:18] <popey> A few apps have an exception to do that
[23:18] <popey> And they're confined (like docviewer) - jdstrand is the person to ask about that.
[23:18] <mcphail> popey: but won't make it to store, though
[23:18] <popey> I don't know.
[23:18] <popey> Some clearly have. But I don't know what the criteria is.
[23:19] <mcphail> popey: they certainly fail the click checklist
[23:19] <popey> Docviewer had to get special permission because it has read _and_ write permission
[23:19] <mcphail> Last time I checked it failed with _any_ apparmor relaxations
[23:20] <mcphail> I haven't tried uploading one to the store, though
[23:21] <mcphail> Seems unfair to ask a user to add 1.5GB of game assets to limited internal storage
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-devel
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[04:00] <tsg> micahg, kitterman: submitted backport request again as suggested - https://bugs.launchpad.net/trusty-backports/+bug/1517713
[04:00] <tsg> ScottK: ^^
[06:13] <pitti> Good morning
[06:14] <didrocks> good morning pitti
[06:14] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[06:15] <RAOF> Aloha didrocks, pitti!
[06:15] <didrocks> hey RAOF!
[07:10] <Mirv> lpotter: only Qt packaging is in git, and mostly it's as a branch of Debian's packagings like irssi http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtbase.git/log/?h=ubuntu
[07:10] <Mirv> lpotter: for in-use package you'd do dget file.dsc by finding the .dsc file from for example https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+packages?batch=75&memo=150&start=150
[07:13] <Mirv> s/irssi// :)
[07:33] <lpotter> hmmm
[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[07:39] <lpotter> Mirv: so how does the bzr repo fit in? it doesn't seem to be used at all
[07:44] <Mirv> lpotter: depends which bzr. the old packaging bzr:s have been emptied and declared obsolete, but there are also the automatic Ubuntu branches that are not that useful at the moment since the vivid overlay is PPA separate from Ubuntu archives, and 5.5 is not yet in xenial archives either.
[07:44] <lpotter> specifically qtbase
[07:45] <lpotter> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src is what I am looking at
[07:48] <lpotter> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/qtbase-opensource-src/wily this seems to contain 5.0.2
[07:58] <Mirv> lpotter: right, you're correct, they are completely obsolete. I haven't had an explanation though why some of them are totally stalled and some seem to import the latest package.
[07:59] <Mirv> lpotter: as another example, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/qtdeclarative-opensource-src/wily seems to be just correct
[08:00] <Mirv> the good thing about /ubuntu/ branches is that they include the whole source, so they're easier to work with. I've local bzr:s of those 5.4.1/5.4.2 branches that need updates (usually just qtbase/qtdeclarative) so that I can cleanly use bzr builddeb with them
[08:01] <Mirv> I create them with dget <url.dsc> ; bzr init ; quilt pop (repeat so that all are popped) ; bzr add * .qmake.conf ; bzr commit -m import
[08:41] <rkuska> Hello, regarding your latest decision of making Python3 the default interpreter in Ubuntu 16.04, whats your plan with Samba?
[09:19] <seb128> hum, is https://errors.ubuntu.com stucked on "loading..." for others as well?
[09:20] <seb128> ah, loaded now
[09:20] <seb128> so maybe just slow
[09:41] <pitti> wgrant: can we open https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+language-packs ?
[09:42] <seb128> pitti, cjwatson opened xenial translations some weeks back
[09:42] <seb128> aren't the langpack automatically enabled when a serie opens?
[09:42] <pitti> I figure LP needs to adjust the cronjobs for the exports
[09:43] <pitti> wgrant: export on Sunday/build on my side on Monday seems to be a free slot?
[11:15] <cjwatson> seb128,pitti: I didn't completely open it, I did part of the steps and then handed over to ubuntu-translations-coordinators@, and got no response: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13344194/
[11:15] <pitti> cjwatson: ah, thanks
[11:17] <pitti> dpm: ^ what is the next step there?
[11:20] <dpm> cjwatson, pitti, the ubuntu-translations-coordinators is not really active anymore. However, I generally look at the e-mail. For some reason I missed this one, though :/
[11:20] <dpm> the e-mail seems to list all steps already, but let me double-check
[11:21] * xnox waves hi
[11:21] <pitti> hey xnox
[11:23] <dpm> cjwatson, pitti, I think the next steps are simply to make the translations visible in LP and setting the focus to Xenial. I can do that now.
[11:27] <cjwatson> dpm: our master list says that should be after cron jobs are set up, though I suppose it doesn't matter *too* much
[11:27] <cjwatson> dpm: https://wiki.canonical.com/Launchpad/Translations/UbuntuOpenings
[11:28] <dpm> yeah, I think it's fine. Translators can start doing their jobs before the cron jobs are set up
[11:28] <dpm> I've just approved a couple of templates in the imports queue and going through the rest quickly
[11:28] <dpm> I think after that I can just open them in LP
[11:43] <cjwatson> pitti,wgrant: I agree that the Sunday export slot seems clear. Is "30 10 * * 0 nice -16 $LP_PY /srv/launchpad.net/production/launchpad/cronscripts/language-pack-exporter.py ubuntu xenial --force-utf8-encoding -q --log-file=INFO:/srv/launchpad.net/production-logs/rosetta/language-pack-exporter.log" OK for you then?
[11:49] <pitti> cjwatson: Sunday export is fine for me (can't speak about the rest, but I suppose that's c&p)
[11:49] <cjwatson> Yeah
[11:51] <dpm> cjwatson, pitti, translations are now visible and focus is set to xenial. cjwatson, one last thing: could we add a cron job to export translations for xenial? IIRC, it's a matter of enabling it in a cron job, similarly to https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/lp-production-crontabs/add-wily-l10n-stats/+merge/266073
[11:51] <cjwatson> dpm: see immediately above
[11:52] <cjwatson> dpm: oh, you mean stats, not translations
[11:52] <cjwatson> dpm: sure, I can include that in the same ticket
[11:52] <dpm> cjwatson, I think we're talking of a different type of export: I mean the .json export for translation stats
[11:52] <dpm> yeah, that'd be great, thanks
[11:52] <cjwatson> *mutter* that's such an evil job
[11:53] <cjwatson> I must have another go at those webservice exports at some point
[11:53] <cjwatson> dpm: I'm just waiting for webops to get the crontab back in sync with reality after the last change before I propose this
[11:54] <dpm> ok, thanks!
[12:06] <Laney> tyhicks: hey, I'm just merging dbus and I'm reminded of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/1489489 - do you think we can get dropping this method targetted for this cycle?
[12:07] <Laney> It'd be good to not have to carry the patch into the release
[12:49] <cjwatson> marcoceppi: can you see what's going on with the CI failures on https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/charms/trusty/ubuntu-repository-cache/xz-indexes/+merge/277880 ? they look like testbed issues to me ...
[12:49] <cjwatson> (but I'm not sure)
[12:50] * popey hugs xnox
[13:25] <cjwatson> pitti,dpm: OK, this is RT#86504 now
[13:43] <kenvandine> pitti, ubuntu-system-settings is blocked on some autopkgtests that say they're in progress but the tests aren't actually running
[13:43] <Laney> kenvandine: that means they're in the queue
[13:43] <pitti> kenvandine: yes, the queues are still very long
[13:43] <kenvandine> ah... is there a way to view the queue?
[13:43] <kenvandine> it's been more than 24 hours, figured it would have been done by now :)
[13:44] <pitti> I now added some capacity (let's see how long it'll hold), but lots of xenial uploads + lots of them being KDE (long tests) plus lots of kernel tests from stables plus troubles with cloud -> taking ages :(
[13:44] <kenvandine> i'd imagine
[13:44] <pitti> kenvandine: queue view> yes, but not publicly yet; I'm working on it
[13:44] <kenvandine> ok, thx for the info
[13:44] <kenvandine> pitti, ok, cool
[13:44] <Laney> really?
[13:44] <Laney> with that management plugin or something?
[13:46] <seb128> unsure what to do about such issues, is that dpkg bugs?
[13:46] <dpm> thanks cjwatson
[13:46] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/a00c6c70c46827e0854c65da57937aa7bd2d14b1
[13:47] <seb128> "
[13:47] <seb128> Processing triggers for mime-support (3.59ubuntu1) ...
[13:47] <seb128> dpkg: error processing package libbsd0:i386 (--configure):
[13:47] <seb128> package libbsd0:i386 is already installed and configured"
[13:48] <seb128> same with https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/923088c36748eaa801974b5e87dd89022f3f12b8 " triggers looping, abandoned?"
[13:49] <pitti> Laney: you know how to get the queue count; I think queue contents can be done with the mgmt plugin
[13:50] <pitti> Laney: or that trick to read the entire queue without ack'ing (I'll see if that scrambles the order; if not, that's fine)
[13:52] <Laney> pitti: ah, yeah, I thought you meant you had a prototype of contents
[15:22] <matsubara> psivaa, hi, do you know what happened to https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/lvm-grub-preseed-fix/+merge/258620?
[15:24] <tyhicks> Laney: hello - I think it is doable
[15:31] <psivaa> matsubara: that was waiting for a little too long for merging i suppose, and was pinged a couple of times regarding that in #ubuntu-ci-eng by those cleaning up Ubuntu sponsoring queue. I had to delete that
[15:32] <matsubara> psivaa, hmm ok, rbasak was ready to review it...
[15:33] <psivaa> matsubara: https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/lvm-grub-preseed-fix is the personal branch for that. please feel free to fork it
[15:43] <rbasak> matsubara: the other one was https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-test-cases/fix_minimal_image_size_test/+merge/235298 which also 404s.
[15:44] <rbasak> psivaa: do you want anything merging right now?
[15:45] <matsubara> rbasak, right, likely it was deleted in the same way. I can't find om26er around here, so I'd ask him
[15:54] <teward> need some guidance on a bug fix... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1517865 indicates there is an fd leak in a package, yet to fix it the only way we can really 'fix' it is to update the corresponding included third-party module in the package, is that SRU-qualified or do I have to hunt and peck for a specific upstream patch that only fixes the issue?
[15:59] <rbasak> teward: generally a cherry-pick is what is required for an SRU.
[16:00] <rbasak> teward: that doesn't mean you have to do it. If only one person has been affected in 18 months since release, it seems pretty low priority to me. You could ask the reporter to identify the cherry-pick.
[16:01] <teward> (I already know the cherrypick, there's a Debian bug on it)
[16:01] <teward> but Debian's solution was to just update the module
[16:05] <psivaa> rbasak: not at the moment
[16:05] <rbasak> OK, thank.s
[17:45] <hallyn> stgraber: if there is a security update on package foo, do init scripts in foo which are marked as no-restart-on-upgrade get restarted in that case?
[17:45] <stgraber> hallyn: no
[17:45] <stgraber> hallyn: standard behavior is to write to /run/reboot-required and /run/reboot-required.pkgs
[17:46] <stgraber> hallyn: which will show the reboot warning in MOTD and if on desktop, the matching notification
[17:46] <stgraber> that's what e.g. network-manager does
[17:46] <stgraber> and those packages' postinst typically write to reboot-required for every update, so not trying to be clever and do it only for security (because you can be sure someone will forget about it)
[17:47] <hallyn> i thought maybe th epackaging would look at the priority or pocket...
[17:47] <hallyn> hope springs eternal
[17:55] <stgraber> hallyn: it could but I don't believe we have any precedent for doing so and it wouldn't trigger on backports, PPA builds and uploads to the dev release
[17:56] <hallyn> yeah tha's no good
[17:56] <hallyn> obvoiusly foo=lxcfs. so i'm thinking that we need to have a hook triggered from the host to the container to re-mount. anyway, still testing
[17:57] <stgraber> hallyn: since we're stateless the best really would be to have a way to re-exec without dropping the fuse connection, but that'd likely need a bit of fixing in libfuse
[17:57] <stgraber> security updates upstart-style
[17:58] <hallyn> where's jodh when you need him
[17:59] <stgraber> well, I hear we got xnox back :)
[18:01] <xnox> hallyn, hello.
[18:01] <stgraber> hallyn: an alternative would be to split 99% of lxcfs into a library that we dlopen into a tiny bit of code which is the daemon. On update we can signal the daemon to reload the library and use it. Limiting the amount of stuff we can't update without breaking all containers.
[18:05] <hallyn> yeah
[18:08] <hallyn> i know, a dbus service :)
[18:08] <stgraber> how about, no? :)
[18:09] <xnox> if one is stateless, re-exec whilst keeping sockets open and passing them across should be trivial, no?!
[18:09] <xnox> without even a library split.
[18:10] <xnox> with extra magic systemd unit restart commands.
[18:10] <xnox> hallyn, ^
[18:10] <stgraber> yeah, I'm just not sure of how that'd affect fuse
[18:10] <stgraber> our code wouldn't mind for sure, libfuse might
[18:10] <xnox> one can totally reuse systemd socket activation for that, to serialise opened sockets to keep them for re-exec.
[18:10] <xnox> stgraber, well, true.
[18:15] <hallyn> the dlopen might be complicated by our now threaded nature...
[18:16] <hallyn> xnox: lxcfs is not completely stateless. in particular fuse keeps pointers on directory entries to cached data (for open files/dirs) in our memory
[18:17] <hallyn> so if we go the dlopen way we could perhaps add a version # to those structs and invalidate any versions older than our curren tone (bump version # on every dlopen)
[18:18] <hallyn> i suppose dlopen must be process-wide, so just doing it once under a global mutex should suffice
[18:18] <stgraber> Looks like some folks published a re-fuse paper back in 2010 or so where they describe how to allow respawning a fuse fs on crash without affecting existing users. I'm not finding any code for that though...
[18:31] <hallyn> simpler way would be to have containers bind-mount a ms_slave directory from host which has lxcfs mounted under it; have lxcfs register a start hook that prints the container's name into a file; have lxcfs on start trigger a hook in each contaner named in that file to re-set the mountpoints
[18:31] <hallyn> not has elegant
[18:31] <stgraber> and from past experience, very tricky to get right, wrt running random binary in the container from the host in a safe way :)
[18:32] <stgraber> had some problems when we were doing that in apport :)
[18:32] <hallyn> the dlopen method would require a mutexed count of # of threads running in the api right now
[18:38] <hallyn> so on every api call we would grab whatever is the fastest userspace lock there is; bump the use count; drop the lock; do the call; get lock; drop count; drop lock;
[18:39] <hallyn> then for re-exec we would grab a big mutex, set NO_NEW_API_CALLS true; grab the little lock, check for use count == 0; drop lock; spin until count is 0; do new dlopen; dset NO_NEW_API_CALLS false; drop the big lock
[18:41] <hallyn> or mayb we can just keep a refcounted list of dlopen() results
[18:42] <hallyn> (where 'on reexec' means when we get a sighup)
[18:45] <teward> so, should I be concerned if my schroots in sbuild can't update to Xenial because libuuid1 throws postinstall fails
[18:45] <teward> (Xenial)
[19:05] <infinity> teward: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=804167
[19:05] <infinity> teward: It's specific to your host system being somewhat mismatched with the chroot, but will be fixed soon anyway.
[19:45] <hallyn> stgraber: https://github.com/lxc/lxcfs-pkg-ubuntu/pull/2 look ok ?
[19:46] <stgraber> hallyn: so I'm not sure that the killmode change is actually required.
[19:46] <stgraber> hallyn: I mean, we do want "systemctl restart" and "systemctl stop" to work with lxcfs, we just don't those called on upgrade
[19:47] <hallyn> yeha, wasn't sure. i'll revert that
[19:58] <bdmurray> Laney: Your glib2.0 upload to the Wily SRU queue seems to have no LaunchpadBugsFixed
[20:21] <mterry> @pilot in
[21:19] <pgquiles> why can't I comment on developer.ubuntu.com/blog ? Always a "CSRF verification failed" error :-(
[21:20] <pgquiles> zbenjamin: re your post on the new ubuntu-sdk- packages, shouldn't a "Conflicts:" in debian/control take care of the removal of qtcreator and qtcreator-plugins-* ?
[21:36] <dobey> pgquiles: Breaks: would do it
[21:59] <teward> infinity: okay, odd though that creating a fresh schroot doesn't appear to trigger the same problem.
[21:59] <teward> only the 'upgrade' portion
[21:59] <teward> thanks for the info though :)
[22:10] <pgquiles> dobey: shouldn't one use Conflicts: in this case? According to the Debian Policy, "Conflicts should be used when two packages provide the same file and will continue to do so", which is the case e. g. with /usr/bin/qtcreator in qtcreator and ubuntu-sdk-ide
[22:41] <mterry> @pilot out
[23:01] <ari-tczew> robert_ancell: I've just send you an email, did you see?
[23:01] <ari-tczew> about network manager
[23:01] <robert_ancell> ari-tczew, I was just replying
[23:02] <ari-tczew> cool
[23:41] <zbenjamin> pgquiles: you need to talk to bzoltan_ about the sdk packaging.
[23:41] <zbenjamin> pgquiles: he did most of it, but i think there was a reason why we could not use it
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[22:07] <tron103> Hey all, I'm trying to add mellanox infiniband support into the netboot image. The Ubuntu provided drivers seem buggy, so I'm trying to use the official Mellanox package with uses DKMS. Any clue on how to get DKMS modules compiled for a netboot image?
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-ops
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[02:39] <daftykins> that help seeker seems to be a spammer
I may want to help in any way what is happening in france <-- PM
[22:20] * rww eyes NIckGreGER in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:20] <rww> (hint: the caps aren't random >.>)
[22:21] <k1l_> its the troll
[22:21] <k1l_> see bantracker for ident
[22:21] <rww> @login
[22:21] <rww> @btlogin
[22:22] <rww> which one is it? BT doesn't have context apart from that they're known
[22:24] <rww> ah, nvm, just looked at all recent -ot bans
[22:24] <rww> seems i missed some fun
[22:25] <rww> @btcomment evasion of a bunch of recent bans, including 69960 in -ot (cross-channel issue), mentioned chimpout and problematic nick, 28d
[22:25] <rww> would help if i added a number
[22:26] <rww> @btcomment 69976evasion of a bunch of recent bans, including 69960 in -ot (cross-channel issue), mentioned chimpout and problematic nick, 28d
[22:26] <rww> @btcomment 69976 evasion of a bunch of recent bans, including 69960 in -ot (cross-channel issue), mentioned chimpout and problematic nick, 28d
[22:26] <rww> @comment 69976 evasion of a bunch of recent bans, including 69960 in -ot (cross-channel issue), mentioned chimpout and problematic nick, 28d
[22:26] * rww claps
[22:26] <rww> i'm awake today honestly
[22:26] <k1l_> :)
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[11:37] <AxonetBE> Is there something like logstash-forwarder for arm?
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[22:05] <yano> http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2015/11/19/amazon-to-build-wind-farm-in-ohio.html
[22:06] <jenni> [ Amazon to build wind farm in NW Ohio | The Columbus Dispatch ] - https://j.mp/1I27iXU
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[09:45] <qwebirc97403> Hi,
[09:46] <qwebirc97403> I am CEO of NGO, and I want to se how we can partner up?
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[14:01] <ariabbas> .
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[11:17] <rbasak> It seems that if I push only git tags to Launchpad, cgit seems to think that the repository is empty. Workaround is to push a branch, any branch, and everything appears.
[11:17] <rbasak> I don't know if that's a cgit thing or a Launchpad thing, but I thought I'd mention it.
[11:34] <cjwatson> rbasak: That's a cgit thing. It happens if it can't find a default branch.
[11:34] <cjwatson> rbasak: I guess the message is *slightly* misleading but I find it hard to argue with cgit very much here ...
[15:16] <dobey> is there something in launchpad builder config that somehow lets golang-go pull stuff off the network to build?
[15:29] <cjwatson> dobey: no - it gets to pull from the archive and that's all
[15:31] <dobey> ok
[16:52] <teward> so, I take it the bzr merges coming from Debian aren't working? (I.e. where code for Debian packages would exist)
[16:52] <dobey> teward: if you mean UDD branches for xenial packages, they aren't running now
[16:55] <teward> dobey: i know they're not running, and i know i'm annoyed at that. talking about lp:debian/PackageNameHere
[16:55] <teward> and whether those are still pulling in from Debian
[16:55] <teward> but if they fall under the same umbrella, then that answers the question
[16:56] <dobey> afaik they were UDD branches just the same
[16:56] <teward> ok
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[04:06] <goldenjaguar> Whats up
[06:58] <EVEREST_007> does kubuntu work on a motherboard with nvidia geforce 7025
[06:58] <valorie> EVEREST_007: perhaps this page lists it
[06:58] <valorie> !nvidia
[07:02] <EVEREST_007> when i tried a live cd of kubuntu 14.04, it gets frozen at the desktop view
[07:52] <Captain_Haddock> Just upgraded to 15.10 and wish I hadn't :(
[08:29] <valorie> Captain_Haddock: can you say what is disappointing to you?
[08:30] <valorie> difficult to help if no problem is presented
[08:52] <Captain_Haddock> valorie: Lots of system tray icons (Skype, wine apps, etc.) are not visible; my automounts weren't mounted; Weird flickering whenever I ALT+TAB; Plasma has crashed twice already; I had a number of dead shortcut icons in my start menu (which I've fixed manually); etc.
[08:54] <valorie> hmmm
[08:55] <hateball> Captain_Haddock: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2014/06/where-are-my-systray-icons/ perhaps?
[08:55] <valorie> about that first problem, there is a fix until those apps join the 21st century
[08:55] <valorie> !automount
[08:56] <valorie> you might need to check those
[08:56] <valorie> flickering sounds like a driver issue
[08:57] <hateball> I recall there were some issues with intel drivers and vsync, disabling vsync solves stuff
[08:57] <Captain_Haddock> valorie: Everything was peachy with systray icons in 14.10 :) While a case could be made for Skype needing an update, surely Wine Apps should be handled more gracefully.
[08:57] <Captain_Haddock> hateball: Thanks, reading.
[09:32] <Captain_Haddock> hateball: The flickering issue appears to have been fixed by switching from OpenGL 2 to 3.1.
[09:58] <valsdav> Hi all,
[09:58] <valsdav> I'm a kubuntu 15.10 user
[09:59] <valsdav> I've an annoying issue with audio output on my thinkpad t450s
[09:59] <Captain_Haddock> What's the issue?
[09:59] <valsdav> internal audio works well, but sometimes when I connect headphone or external stereo
[10:00] <valsdav> there's no output, even if pulseaudio showes that it's all ok
[10:02] <Captain_Haddock> valsdav: sometimes?
[10:02] <Captain_Haddock> So it works fine generally?
[10:04] <valsdav> yes it happens at random
[10:04] <valsdav> kernel issue?
[10:05] <Captain_Haddock> valsdav: Maybe a driver issue.
[10:06] <Captain_Haddock> valsdav: Have you checked under driver management to see if you have any proprietary drivers that you can install?
[10:06] <Captain_Haddock> Besides that I have nothing, sorry.
[10:07] <valsdav> I'll search for driver, thankyou!
[10:07] <valsdav> Another little issue..
[10:08] <valsdav> Network manager icon in the notification panel always disappers
[10:11] <Captain_Haddock> valsdav: Right click -> system tray options -> system tray settings
[10:11] <Captain_Haddock> should get you to a window where you can configure icon display options.
[10:11] <valsdav> no it doesn't simply hide
[10:11] <valsdav> it leaves a blank hole and disapper also from the idden icons
[10:12] <Yossarianuk> valsdav: same here for volume icon...
[10:20] <das-mo> Hi, anyone here who can help me with an error at an kubuntu installation?
[10:22] <das-mo> Hi, anyone here who can help me with an error at a kubuntu installation?
[10:27] <das-mo> Hi, anyone here who can help me with an error at a kubuntu installation?
[10:32] <Yossarianuk> das-mo: try explaining the error...
[11:34] <jubo2> G'morning
[11:34] <jubo2> ... and thanks for the awesomest GUI OS
[11:34] <soee> hiho
[11:35] <jubo2> I'm going ot install Kubuntu15.10 on a mac
[11:35] <jubo2> not mine, mum's
[11:36] <jubo2> Is it straightforward or do I need to do some stupid hacks because Cupertino, California ?
[11:37] <jubo2> No-one answers
[11:37] <jubo2> I asked this already yesterday
[11:38] <jubo2> I'm just going to assume that resizing a mac fs is go and installing grub is go
[11:38] <Yossarianuk> jubo2: best to wait for an answer - personally I've never used anything from Apple, I understand it should be possible though
[11:39] <Yossarianuk> rEFInd can boot from MACOS I believe..
[11:39] <jubo2> I dunno what that is
[11:40] <Yossarianuk> rEFInd is a bootloader that loads UEFI/EFI based systems
[11:40] <Yossarianuk> its really nice..
[11:40] <Yossarianuk> this 'may' help-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWb2JeGI6zQ
[11:53] <jubo2> Yeah..
[11:53] <jubo2> So I need some Cupertino Voodoo to make this work
[12:48] <roybatty> hi there
[12:49] <wolflopez> hi there
[12:50] <wolflopez> theres no option in kubuntu to install it with another s.o.
[12:51] <apparle> I'm trying to connect to secure wifi, but Network Manager is not accepting my key. Does anyone know any ideas on how fix this ?
[12:51] <apparle> It was working on a fresh install, I'm not sure what broke it as I installed few packages which I needed
[12:52] <apparle> which ones I'm not sure, just some applications, which I use regularly.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:50] <jubo2> ait
[14:50] <jubo2> I followed the instructions to make a mac-bootable USB stick
[14:50] <jubo2> here goes nothing
[14:53] <jubo2> nope
[14:54] <jubo2> pressing the ALT-key on bootup just brings gray screen and cursor
[14:54] <jubo2> the instructions I followed were.. uhh..
[14:55] <jubo2> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[14:55] <jubo2> Mi mum's Mac OS X is at the end of it's road.. slow as hell so installing Kubuntu by side
[15:12] <jubo2> I'm now back in OS X
[15:12] <jubo2> This one instructional video I am following says to format the USB stick as MS-DOS
[15:13] <jubo2> but that didn't boot (holding down the alt-key)
[15:15] <jubo2> Should I select GUID-partition map (translated from Finnish grr) or a MBR for the stick?
[15:15] <jubo2> I think I used MBR last time so could try the other option
[15:29] <jubo2> nope
[15:29] <jubo2> still doesn't work
[16:04] <silhusk> jubo2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook it's a long time since I setup mine, but did follow that guide. Using bootcamp ("install Windows" or something like that in MacOS) and installing refit
[16:27] <Guest66832> hello, why muon don't ask for my password and says if i want to install, no-rights
[17:00] <Korbak> I there
[17:00] <Korbak> Hi*
[17:01] <Korbak> WTF
[17:01] <Korbak> I may need help, I have a few probs with Kubuntu 15.10
[17:01] <Korbak> First of all, when I boot, my keyboard doesn't respond well
[17:02] <Korbak> I have to do CTRL+ALT+F1 then immediately CTRL+ALT+F7 and it all come back to normal
[17:02] <Korbak> Have you any idea about how to resolve that ?
[17:06] <Korbak> Anyone please ? Did I explain my situation enough ? :)
[17:14] <Smurphy> Korbak: when you say: my keyboard doesn't respond well - what do you mean ?
[17:15] <Korbak> Smurphy: Some keys don't work, and when I try to use Konsole, everything I type becomes a "s"
[17:16] <Smurphy> then you seem indeed to have a problem. And I wouldn't know where it comes form. Sorry.
[17:16] <Korbak> Erf :(
[17:16] <Korbak> And how about my second problem, then, Smurphy? :)
[17:17] <Korbak> When I close Konsole, I get an error, as if it crashed.
[17:17] <Korbak> Kubuntu asks me to debug it or relaunch it, telling this is a "segmentation fault"
[17:18] <Smurphy> did you apply all available updates ? It happens to me from time to time too.
[17:18] <Korbak> I did, yes
[17:18] <Korbak> I'll try to check if there's something left
[17:20] <Korbak> I had some stuff that aptitude told me to autoremove
[17:20] <Korbak> I have to reboot
[17:20] <Korbak> Let's hope something good happened :P
[17:21] <Korbak> Brb
[17:25] <Korbak> Smurphy: Well, it didn't get anything better
[17:59] <Smurphy> Korbak: You have some special type of keyboard ?
[18:34] <Korbak> Smurphy: Yes, but I tried another one, and it was the same
[19:21] <linuxMeUp> yo
[19:21] <linuxMeUp> is it possible to use windows on my ssd, Kubuntu on part of the hardrive?
[19:22] <denza242> linuxMeUp: yep
[19:22] <denza242> you just need to partition the drives correctly
[19:23] <linuxMeUp> awesome
[19:24] <CoffeeJ> linuxMeUp: and remember win setup will overwrite your mbr loader so keep a linux install cd/dvd
[19:26] <jim___> I want to resize (shrink) my partitions (each one is a bootable distro) to make room for another. I'd like to back up first. What is your favourite method? DD? Clonezilla? Other?
[19:27] <genii> dd
[19:28] <genii> It's simple and effective and you can copy entire drives to a file on a larger drive
[19:29] <jim___> using dd?
[19:30] <genii> jim___: Yes.
[19:31] <jim___> thanks genii, have a great weekend
[19:48] <vorreisapere> anyone can help me about updates of kubuntu 15.10?
[19:49] <vorreisapere> it happens that, after updates, it becomes impossible to use it...
[19:50] <ejay> hi all
[19:50] <coriolanus> hi
[19:50] <vorreisapere> a chi posso chiedere in italiano?
[20:00] <Yaiyan> When partitioning, after pressing "Install now" it says it's going to format the swap partition on /dev/sdb, when I only changed /dev/sdc
[20:00] <Yaiyan> That's normal, right?
[20:06] <keithzg> Yaiyan: IIRC, yeah, that's normal. If the setup is told that you're going to be using a swap partition, it formats and initializes it. At least I seem to remember that being the case too.
[20:07] <heinkel_111> !it > vorreisapere
[20:07] <Yaiyan> I mean, I haven't touched anything saying swap, and that swap partition was already there
[20:10] <Riste> Hello everyone.
[20:14] <Riste> I'm kinda new to linux and kubuntu, after the update my pc seems a lot slower, flash player on chromium is laggy, apps start slower and everything, is it something done in the update or its me who fucked up something?
[20:14] * BluesKaj detests auto partitioners, they seem to be nstructed to delete other partitions for no reason , hence manual partitioning should be available with all distro installers, bit it's not
[20:14] <Yaiyan> I'd honestly be more comfortable using parted
[20:15] <Yaiyan> And then mkfs afterwards
[20:15] <Yaiyan> Just because it feels like you things are only being changed where you tell them to be changed that way
[20:16] <heinkel_111> Riste: have you changed graphics drivers in the update process?
[20:16] <heinkel_111> I mean, it should not but....
[20:17] <Riste> Nope, I haven't done anything since the update
[20:17] <BluesKaj> Riste, check ksystguard.systenm monitor to see what's using up cpu and memeory,
[20:19] <BluesKaj> most likely file search indexer/baloo or akonadi server
[20:19] <Yaiyan> I swear Kubuntu looks slightly nicer now than in 2008
[20:19] <Yaiyan> How KDE3 looked put me off using it for ages :/
[20:19] <Riste> Cpu is used 5% only so it shouldn't be a cpu problem
[20:19] <Riste> I have only chromium and skype running
[20:23] <Riste> hmm however in the system load there are 4 cpu's out of 2 are constantly 80%~90% and to note this is a dual core processor so im confused o.o
[20:23] <Yaiyan> If it's an i3 you might have hyper threading
[20:25] <Riste> I believe it's an i3, (it's a laptop from work xD) is there a way for me to resolve that "problem"?
[20:26] <Korbak> Hi there
[20:26] <Korbak> I see people are talkin'
[20:26] <Yaiyan> Huh
[20:26] <Riste> wait my bad, it seems its an i5 which explains the cores
[20:26] <Yaiyan> Kubuntu hasn't been added to the bootloader
[20:26] <Korbak> Can someone help me about my keyboard issue ? :(
[20:26] <Riste> Hello.
[20:27] <Yaiyan> Is there any way to add kubuntu to the bootloader?
[20:28] <Riste> I've no idea, and are you talking about my problem Yaiyan?
[20:29] <Yaiyan> Riste, I'm not sure what's causing your problem, sorry
[20:29] <Riste> Ah no probs.
[20:29] <Yaiyan> Was just mentioning hyperthreading might've explained why 4 cores was shown if you only had 2
[20:30] <Korbak> Well, I try to explain : when I boot, my keyboard has keys that don't react, and sometimes, everything I type is replaced by the letter "s" (which doesn't work anywhere else, btw).
[20:30] <Korbak> When I do CTRL+ALT+F1 then CTRL+ALT+F7, everything's back to normal
[20:30] <Korbak> Any ideas ? :3
[20:31] <Riste> Korbak, which language did you set up in the begining of the installation ?
[20:31] <Yaiyan> s/bootloader/grub/
[20:31] <Riste> @Yaiyan so apparently my cpu has 2 cores but 4 threads which explains the 4 threads :D
[20:32] <Korbak> Riste: French (I'm French, of course ;))
[20:33] <sinisterdoor> Hi!when I click proxy settings in chromium nothing shows up.any ways to fix this?
[20:33] <Riste> Well that might be the problem, try setting it back to english and see if you still ahve the problem
[20:33] <BluesKaj> my i3 cpu shows 4 cores, but it's only a 2 core cpu. guess theat's the hyperthreading at work
[20:34] <Korbak> Riste: But... I need it to be set in french :<
[20:35] <Riste> BluesKaj would disabling that option stabilize the pc?
[20:35] <Riste> and Korbak im sry dude i have no idea what might the problem be, but at least this way you will get a confirmation if its the language settings or something else
[20:36] <Riste> thats altering with your keyboard
[20:36] <BluesKaj> Riste, I doubt it , it's actually there to make the workload faster and more efficient
[20:36] <Korbak> Riste: Okay, I'll think about that
[20:36] <Korbak> Riste: Thanks :)
[20:37] <Riste> Korbak: anytime.
[20:37] <Riste> BluesKaj: well thats why i think as well but hmmm its really unusual for my pc to be this slow especially that i haven't done anything just the update... and this is kinda annoying, even flash player on chromium lags like a bitch
[20:38] <Yaiyan> I mean
[20:38] <BluesKaj> Riste, there's gotta be something eating up your processing power in the background...
[20:39] <Yaiyan> If your laptop's not the fastest, is Kubuntu the best distro anyway?
[20:39] * Yaiyan has never seen KDE as the lightweight sort of de
[20:39] <Riste> @Yaiyan, its an 8gig ram i5 dual core processor, it should run it perfectly.
[20:39] <Yaiyan> Oh
[20:39] <Riste> and it did before the update i think
[20:40] <Yaiyan> I assumed it was a lesser-laptop :)
[20:40] <BluesKaj> an i5 cpu and the intel gpu usually handle most loads well
[20:40] * Yaiyan doesn't particularly want to try kubuntu on his via laptop
[20:40] <BluesKaj> I have kubuntu on my i3 laptop, runs great
[20:41] <Riste> It did idk whats wrong with it, i tried restarting as well hmm... oh well
[20:41] <denza242> i run kubuntu on my toaster smoothly
[20:41] <denza242> Sysinfo for 'DSI-NB1': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.4.3 on Ubuntu 15.04 (Vivid Vervet) powered by Linux 3.19.0-33-generic, CPU: AMD E2-1800 APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics at 1700/1700000 MHz, RAM: 3007/3360 MB, Storage: 31/130 GB, 183 procs, 4.17h up
[20:41] <Yaiyan> Ubuntu 10.04 runs fair slowly on that particular laptop mind
[20:42] <Yaiyan> How do I add Kubuntu to grub?
[20:42] <Riste> Im looking at the ksysguard and it displays only lets say 10% of the cpu
[20:42] <Yaiyan> When I installed it, it didn't add itself for some reason
[20:42] <Yaiyan> Riste, have you typed top?
[20:43] <BluesKaj> what are on atm?
[20:43] <denza242> Yaiyan: it's probably under "Ubuntu" or similar
[20:43] <Yaiyan> denza242, the "Ubuntu" is my normal 14.04 Unity version
[20:43] <Yaiyan> And all the other Ubuntu's have their (older) version numbers by them
[20:43] <denza242> i see
[20:43] <denza242> Yaiyan: try running update-grub from that install
[20:43] <BluesKaj> yeah grub still names it ubuntu for some reason
[20:44] <Riste> Yaiyan: u mean have i selected for it to only display the top percentage of usage of the applications? -yes + i scrolled down to see if theres something else as well
[20:44] <Yaiyan> Riste, I mean, run "top" in a terminal
[20:44] <Yaiyan> denza242, that claims to have found it, cheers :)
[20:45] <denza242> Yaiyan: np
[20:45] <Yaiyan> So, "Disks" pre-install, listed /dev/sdd as being my new disk
[20:45] <Yaiyan> Kubuntu's partition editor called it /dev/sdc, and the windows partition /dev/sdd
[20:45] <Riste> top - 21:45:29 up 40 min, 2 users, load average: 0,59, 1,17, 1,48 Tasks: 212 total, 1 running, 211 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 12,3 us, 5,3 sy, 0,0 ni, 82,2 id, 0,2 wa, 0,0 hi, 0,0 si, 0,0 st KiB Mem: 8079300 total, 4738512 used, 3340788 free, 165320 buffers KiB Swap: 8291324 total, 0 used, 8291324 free. 1942248 cached Mem
[20:45] <Yaiyan> Now on Ubuntu, update-grub has called the windows partition /dev/sde
[20:45] <Yaiyan> I need to find out where it's getting these names from
[20:46] <Riste> 2 users, is it the root and my actuall user ?
[20:46] <Yaiyan> Riste, below that, there should be a list of processes running and how much cpu
[20:46] <Yaiyan> Yeah
[20:46] <Riste> in total about 25% used up
[20:46] <BluesKaj> Riste, which graphics . intel ?
[20:46] <Simonious> http://picbin.org/src/1107 <- ssh connections over the eth0 ip work fine, those on the wlan0 timeout - why?
[20:47] <Riste> yeah, its intel, and im running a dual screen, hmm
[20:47] <Riste> let me try disconnecting the screen maybe thats screwing it
[20:48] <Riste> nope, same thing xD
[20:48] <Riste> damn this is weird
[20:48] <BluesKaj> Riste, akonadi server , kmail, PIM ?
[20:49] <Riste> BluesKaj, I've no idea what that is except kmail, which im not even running
[20:51] <Riste> Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: Dell Device 04b0 Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 36 Memory at f6800000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4M] Memory at e0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] I/O ports at f000 [size=64] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled]
[20:51] <Riste> this is the graphics
[20:52] <BluesKaj> Riste, look in the kicker and type akon , then check if any of them are running
[20:53] <Yaiyan> Hmm, nothing's appeared on the panel :/
[20:53] <Yaiyan> Oh now it has
[20:53] <Yaiyan> Just took ages to appear
[20:54] <Riste> BluesKaj, in the top there isnt anything similar like that running
[20:57] <BluesKaj> that was a long shot, been a while since it caused trouble
[20:57] <Riste> xD
[20:57] <Riste> oh well thank you for your help i shall not bother you anymore and ill try to figure it out myself
[20:58] <Riste> hm its very weird though everything was fine on the previous version, just wanted to know if the update has caused problems for someone else as well
[20:59] <BluesKaj> \just a regular upgrade ?
[21:00] <Riste> nah i updated the version of the kubuntu
[21:02] <BluesKaj> from and t?o
[21:02] <BluesKaj> to even
[21:02] <Riste> 15.04 to latest
[21:03] <BluesKaj> have you done a dist upgrade to get the latest kernel?
[21:03] <Riste> not sure, i dont believe so
[21:04] <Riste> how do i get the latest kernel?
[21:06] <BluesKaj> if it's available to you then a sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade then sudo apt dist-upgrade will bring it in
[21:08] <Riste> sudo update updated some things
[21:09] <Riste> 0 new dist upgrades though
[21:09] <BluesKaj> now sudo apt upgrade
[21:09] <Riste> will restart soon to check if it did the trick
[21:09] <BluesKaj> don't restart
[21:09] <BluesKaj> now sudo apt upgrade
[21:10] <Riste> 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
[21:10] <BluesKaj> ok
[21:13] <Riste> thank you for the help
[21:17] <Simonious> http://picbin.org/src/1107 I put a wireless USB NIC in the machine and it appears to be running, but if I disconnect the wired network.. nothing. What did I miss?
[23:40] <Fanfare> Q: Where is automount gone in systemsettings?
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[00:29] <jdstrand> ogra_: fyi, snappy install ufw.jdstrand. enjoy :)
[02:07] <sergiusens> jdstrand, btw, I can't do $SNAP_APP_DATA_PATH in a `start` for a service
[02:33] <sergiusens> jdstrand, mind approving this later https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/3989/seq/1/ ?
[02:34] <sergiusens> and that also relates to the question about using $SNAP_APP_DATA_PATH
[03:36] <Sam_> : )
[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[08:09] <fgimenez> good morning
[08:38] <pandatrone> what is this https://uappexplorer.com/app/ubuntu-kernel.mvo ???
[08:39] <mvo> pandatrone: its the next step on the road to 16.04, kernel and os snaps
[08:39] <pandatrone> mvo, awesome! i like it
[08:40] <mvo> pandatrone: yeah, I'm quite excited about it too, it will open up a lot of new possibilities :)
[08:40] <pandatrone> you snappy people are great
[08:40] <pandatrone> and mir people :D
[08:40] <mvo> heh, thanks :-D
[08:40] <pandatrone> i get 10-50% more fps in glmark2 in OTA8 compared to OTA5 on mx4
[08:41] <pandatrone> unity people are a little confused buy they'll catch up
[08:41] <pandatrone> *but
[09:14] <fgimenez> hi mvo good morning
[10:05] <mvo> hey fgimenez
[10:05] <mvo> fgimenez: sorry for the slow reply
[10:06] <fgimenez> mvo, np :) i was getting some errors from udf but now it seems to be working again
[10:06] <fgimenez> mvo, 254 is available already in jenkins
[10:07] <mvo> fgimenez: nice!
[10:14] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Use Less Stuff Day! 😃
[11:06] <shouting-sergius> sergiusens hello
[11:06] <shouting-sergius> balloons hello
[11:36] <sergiusens> dpm, mind approving https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/3989/seq/2/ ? the failure there is due to an outdated reviewer tool being used
[11:38] <dpm> sergiusens, I haven't reviewed an app in quite a long time, so I'm not sure I'm the right person, but I'm sure dholbach or popey can help
[11:38] <popey> sure thing!
[11:38] <dpm> cool, thanks!
[11:42] <popey> sergiusens, done
[11:45] <sergiusens> popey, thanks, now balloons can use a snap instead for irc ;-)
[11:47] <livcd> so i'd like to use snappy as a base image with vagrant on mac to run docker containers. Would it work for my use case ?
[11:47] <sergiusens> livcd, it should, there is a docker snap already, there are some gotchas, but I don't run docker myself to remember those
[11:48] <sergiusens> livcd, if you run into trouble, just ask (on askubuntu would be even better to keep some history and help others seeing the same you would)
[11:53] <shout-user69> popey thanks for approving me into existence :-)
[11:53] <popey> haha
[11:53] <popey> what have I done!!
[11:53] <livcd> sergiusens: not yet familiar with what a snap is :-)
[11:53] * shout-user69 twiddles fingers
[11:54] <sergiusens> livcd, oh; a snap is a package
[11:58] <sergiusens> livcd, maybe go over the tutorials?
[11:58] <livcd> reading them atm
[11:59] <sergiusens> livcd, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/start/#vagrant
[11:59] <sergiusens> you can read and play at the same time ;-)
[12:17] <livcd> sergiusens: i'd like to build an img myself with packer
[12:18] <sergiusens> livcd, I can't help you there; if you drop your question on askubuntu maybe someone can help out
[12:22] <Chipaca> what's packer?
[13:11] <jdstrand> sergiusens: can you request a manual review?
[13:15] <jdstrand> beuno, pindonga: hey, can somone pull in the review tools? there are are fixes for sergiusens' failure and two others for clicks that popey and dholbach saw. This is not the branch for non-click/all snaps (that is in progress)
[13:16] <pindonga> jdstrand, what revno?
[13:16] <jdstrand> the latest is fine
[13:16] <jdstrand> r550
[13:16] <pindonga> we'll need to do some QA on staging before we can roll it out (to verify all pending changes are good to go) but I'll plan for the rollout asap
[13:17] <jdstrand> thanks
[13:48] <sergiusens> Chipaca, I think packer is a vagrant thing
[13:48] <sergiusens> Chipaca, https://www.packer.io/intro/getting-started/vagrant.html
[14:52] <sergiusens> Chipaca, elopio mind looking at https://github.com/ubuntu-core/snapcraft/pull/102 ?
[14:53] <elopio> sergiusens: oh good, I'll try to play with the nodejs bbb package again.
[14:53] <elopio> you have a copy&paste error: GoPluginTestCase
[14:58] <sergiusens> elopio, ah, interesting :-)
[15:00] <sergiusens> elopio, fixed, still not pushed, but 100% coverage is what I had to share with you :-P
[15:02] <sergiusens> dholbach, is the wiki completely dead?
[15:26] <dholbach> sergiusens, this morning I got a 500 internal server error, pinged IS and it came back again
[15:27] <sergiusens> dholbach, works now, thanks
[15:27] <sergiusens> mvo, ^^
[15:29] <jdstrand> sergiusens: hey, can you request a manual review for https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/3989/seq/1/?
[15:29] <jdstrand> mvo: hey, I'm going to remove click-apparmor from the system-image seed on xenial
[15:30] <sergiusens> jdstrand, what for, seq/2 is already approved
[15:30] <sergiusens> ?
[15:31] <jdstrand> ok, there is a 0.0.1
[15:31] <jdstrand> I'll reject that
[15:40] <mvo> jdstrand: thanks!
[15:53] <jdstrand> mvo: I'm also updating ubuntu-core-security to remove sc-filtergen and not pull in easyprof
[15:59] <mvo> jdstrand: nice, very very nice
[16:01] <faenil> hello
[16:01] <faenil> I'm trying to port snappy to a new board, but the image ubuntu-device-flash outputs has a partition table which is not recognized by either uboot or "Disks" app on Ubuntu
[16:02] <faenil> fdisk -l reports fat + 3 ext4 partitions
[16:02] <faenil> while "Disks" and uboot only see a huge fat partition, thus failing to access the data in any of the partitions
[16:03] <faenil> any advice
[16:03] <faenil> ?
[16:07] <faenil> ogra_: ^ maybe :)
[16:38] <sergiusens> faenil, what does parted say?
[16:39] <faenil> sergiusens: parted shows the partitions
[16:39] <faenil> gparted doesn't
[16:39] <faenil> "Disks" software doesn't
[16:39] <faenil> uboot doesn't
[16:39] <faenil> fdisk -l shows the partitions
[16:39] <sergiusens> faenil, does your u-boot support ext4?
[16:40] <faenil> sergiusens: I rebuilt it to add ext4 commands
[16:40] <faenil> sergiusens: still, gparted and Disks on desktop only show a big fat partition, like uboot
[16:41] <sergiusens> faenil, can you run `kpartx -avs <image.img>` ?
[16:41] <sergiusens> someone who can help with u-boot itself is lool
[16:45] <faenil> sergiusens: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13348638/ kpartx
[16:46] <faenil> sergiusens: I can loop mount the img on desktop, but not the sdcard (but I guess that's expected). I can still mount the fat partition from the sdcard using "-o offset"
[16:52] <sergiusens> faenil, has your 'dd' finished correcly (ins and outs match and all that)
[16:52] <sergiusens> sorry for asking a possibly dumb question
[16:52] <faenil> sergiusens: yeah
[16:53] <faenil> sergiusens: I tried multiple times, and with 2 different sdcards
[16:53] <faenil> 2925000000 bytes (2.9 GB) copied, 162.81 s, 18.0 MB/s
[16:53] <faenil> (that's the size of the img)
[16:54] <sergiusens> faenil, parted against the sdcard is also fine?
[16:54] <faenil> sergiusens: what do you mean?
[16:55] <faenil> yes, "print" shows 4 partitions on the sdcard
[16:56] <faenil> gparted instead shows 1 partition as big as the sdcard, with "Unknown filesystem"
[16:56] <faenil> and lba flags
[17:21] <sergiusens> faenil, could this be a gpt problem?
[17:21] <faenil> sergiusens: I guess it could...
[17:24] <faenil> sergiusens: even though parted says "Partition Table: msdos
[17:27] <sergiusens> faenil, are you sure you are booting your u-boot and not whatever is on the board?
[17:27] <faenil> sergiusens: yes, 100%
[17:27] <faenil> the versions tells it
[17:28] <faenil> and I have ext4 commands available, which the original uboot for this board don't have
[17:29] <faenil> sergiusens: I defined
[17:29] <faenil> #define CONFIG_CMD_EXT4
[17:29] <faenil> #define CONFIG_CMD_EXT4_WRITE
[17:29] <faenil> is there anything else needed for ext4 support? that seems all it's needed, I had a look at README.ext4 in uboot's docs
[17:30] <longsleep> faenil: what u-boot version are you based on?
[17:30] <faenil> longsleep: 2015.4
[17:31] <longsleep> faenil: sounds good
[17:31] <faenil> should be, yeah :)
[17:31] <longsleep> faenil: i am stuck at 2011.3 :/
[17:31] <faenil> yeah, I guess most of the people are not that lucku
[17:32] <longsleep> faenil: not sure if it helps, but https://github.com/longsleep/u-boot-odroidc/commits/master is my u-boot tree to make the upstream u-boot work with snappy
[17:32] <faenil> sergiusens: the img was created using --oem beagleblack (because there doesn't seem to be any generic-armhf package and that's what the Porting guide recommends), using edge channel
[17:32] <faenil> but that shouldn't make a difference on the partition table, should it
[17:33] <faenil> longsleep: cheers
[17:36] <sergiusens> faenil, well if your board is exactly the same wrt to boot setup, then there you go
[17:36] <sergiusens> faenil, fwiw, I took a stance at updating the porting guide
[17:36] <sergiusens> faenil, https://gist.github.com/sergiusens/fa40a344ad4b395a99ed
[17:36] <sergiusens> still needs a review from ogra_ but he is off this week on leave
[17:37] <faenil> sergiusens: isn't there a list of oem snaps?
[17:37] <longsleep> faenil: in general, if u-boot fails its best to figure it out in u-boot shell, maybe your oem snap did overwrite some stuff of the partition table
[17:38] <faenil> longsleep: I wish there were a generic armhf oem snap :/
[17:38] <sergiusens> faenil, well you can search the store with `type: oem`
[17:39] <sergiusens> faenil, I always forget how to query the store though and we never baked that into u-d-f
[17:39] <faenil> sergiusens: hehe
[17:39] <faenil> anyway, there's no generic armhf oem snap :)
[17:39] <longsleep> faenil: mhm well, how can there be a generic one if all devices need other bootcode?
[17:39] <sergiusens> faenil, there is no such thing as a generic bootloader for arm ;)
[17:40] <sergiusens> u-boot is the closest you can get, but they all boot at different offsets
[17:40] <faenil> ok, sorry, I don't know what the oem snap contains so I'm just blind guessing ;)
[17:40] <longsleep> faenil: Look at https://github.com/longsleep/snappy-odroidc - that puts all the gear together to build u-boot, kernel, oem snap and device tarball for the ODROID-C platform
[17:41] <faenil> longsleep: ok, I'll have a look thanks
[17:45] <longsleep> sergiusens: Your porting guide looks good - i think that will help people a lot when its ready
[17:46] <sergiusens> thanks, still a bit to update wrt to uEnv.txt and others
[17:46] <faenil> sergiusens: longsleep beagleblack doesn't touch the partition table afact http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/snappy-systems/files/head:/beagleblack/
[17:46] <longsleep> sergiusens: maybe you can add a section on how the initrd can be optained
[17:47] <longsleep> faenil: no, but it wites stuff raw at the beginning of the disk, see the boot-assets in the meta/package.yaml
[17:49] <faenil> longsleep: I see...is that snappy yaml syntax to do that?
[17:50] <longsleep> faenil: yes, when ubuntu-device-flash assembles the image, it writes the stuff under raw-files 'raw' at the specified disk offset
[17:50] <longsleep> faenil: what these offsets are actually depens where your arm device expects its bootcode to be
[17:50] <faenil> longsleep: sure
[17:50] <faenil> my question now is more generic :)
[17:50] <faenil> is that what happens when you "install" that snap?
[17:51] <faenil> I guess it's not something specific to device-flash
[17:51] <longsleep> faenil: nope, when you install a snap it essentially just downloads a special kind of deb package and extracts it to a well known location
[17:51] <longsleep> faenil: the special kind of snap with type oem, is used by u-d-f when you create a image for that platform
[17:51] <faenil> longsleep: so that raw stuff is a special direction that only udf will use?
[17:51] <faenil> ok
[17:52] <longsleep> faenil: yes, for now the boot-assets stuff is only used by u-d-f afaik
[17:52] <faenil> ok, thanks
[17:53] <faenil> longsleep: I guess my next step is to have a look at what you I guess, then :)
[17:53] <faenil> since the porting guide doesn't cover this part at all :)
[17:54] <faenil> I also read ogr a's post, but it doesn't mention what to do when, for instance, your board doesn't come with initrd support by default
[17:54] <faenil> which is all stuff we should really take care of, in a porting guide :)
[17:55] <faenil> sergiusens: ^
[17:57] <faenil> or when your uboot doesn't read any env file, for instance
[17:57] <longsleep> faenil: mhm, initrd should be unrelated to the board, its related to the kernel and the distribution
[17:57] <longsleep> faenil: well, every u-boot has variables, just make it read one
[17:57] <faenil> longsleep: that's not the right attitude for a guide, imho :D
[17:57] <faenil> if we want to attract more people, we have to make it easier
[17:58] <longsleep> faenil: sure, but i fear porting to whatever arm platform is not so easy, and i am not sure if a snappy porting guide should explain u-boot so much
[17:58] <longsleep> faenil: there could be a u-boot guide though :(
[17:58] <faenil> yeah, initrd is unrelated, but not all distro/kernel that you get with a board come with initrd...while the guide assumes that you have one and that you can adapt it
[17:59] <longsleep> faenil: ah ok, i get what you mean. I think you should turn the initrd question around, Snappy has one and you should adapt it to mach your kernel. That is how i did it
[18:00] <longsleep> faenil: essentially i use the exact initrd from snappy upstream, see https://github.com/longsleep/snappy-odroidc/blob/master/device.mk#L59
[18:03] <faenil> longsleep: I see, ok.
[18:03] <faenil> yeah I believe we just have to be a bit more detailed :)
[18:04] <faenil> and I have almost 0 experience with dev boards, so I'm just giving feedback on how we could improve the guide :)
[18:08] <longsleep> faenil: yeah, i had little u-boot experience when i started porting to snappy, but with lots of help from ogra_ i managed to get it done without very much issues. I have written about it a bit https://www.stdin.xyz/2015/06/14/snappy-ubuntu-core-for-odroid-c1/ if you want to get some ideas what problems i found
[18:09] <faenil> longsleep: awesome, thanks
[18:10] <faenil> longsleep: it is important that we don't let those post stay post (I'm probably going to write one as well), but we collect all the issues we had and update the official guide accordingly :)
[18:10] <faenil> we don't let those posts remain posts on a blog*, I meant
[18:11] <longsleep> faenil: yes, it would be awesome to have good guides, for now i think the best answer is go to #snappy IRC and ask - the guys here are awesome.
[18:13] <faenil> :)
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[05:05] <pieter2627> morning all
[05:11] <Kilos> morning inetpro pieter2627 Cryterion and all others
[05:12] <pieter2627> hello Kilos, you early today
[05:12] <pieter2627> hoe gaan dit met oom?
[05:12] <Kilos> ya had a good sleep
[05:12] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy?
[05:13] <Kilos> no rain fell here
[05:13] <Kilos> sigh
[05:13] <pieter2627> goed goed dankie
[05:13] <pieter2627> we had some thunder, but actually wondered about the rain
[05:13] <Kilos> same
[05:14] <pieter2627> but it rained lots on Monday... i think
[05:14] <Kilos> we had 7mm only
[05:15] <pieter2627> our grass was almost covered in hail
[05:20] <Kilos> ai!
[05:20] <Kilos> Not allowed here
[05:20] <Kilos> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page or the information in this page is not shared with you.
[05:20] <Kilos> it wont let me renew ubuntu-za membership
[05:21] <Kilos> hi MaNI
[05:22] <Kilos> inetpro fix it
[05:22] <Kilos> https://launchpad.net/~ms-kilos/+expiringmembership/ubuntu-za
[05:23] <MaNI> morning
[05:23] <pieter2627> hi MaNI
[05:24] <pieter2627> Kilos: are you logged in
[05:24] <Kilos> i can get in at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[05:26] <pieter2627> your za membership only expires next year
[05:26] <pieter2627> 2016-01-28
[05:26] <Kilos> oh my
[05:27] <pieter2627> see in the list https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za/+members
[05:27] <Kilos> its my ms.kilos not msdomdonner
[05:27] <Kilos> oh well
[05:28] <pieter2627> are you login as ms.kilos then and not msdomdonner
[05:28] <Kilos> i just clicked the link in the email i got
[05:29] <pieter2627> top right of screen shows the login user
[05:29] <pieter2627> s/login/logged in/
[05:29] <Kilos> ya its going there as domdonner
[05:29] <Kilos> sigh
[05:29] <Kilos> no matter that one can expire
[05:30] <Kilos> i see we have a member called shoes in latest members
[05:30] <Kilos> ive never seen him
[05:48] <Kilos> ok thats sorted
[05:48] <Kilos> somewhere the ubuntuone account wasnt happy
[05:52] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[05:52] <thatgraemeguy> up early Kilos, did you wet the bed? :p
[05:59] <Kilos> haha no thatgraemeguy had a good sleep
[05:59] <Kilos> morning
[06:26] <mazal> mornings
[06:28] <Kilos> hi mazal
[06:28] <mazal> Gaanit oom ?
[06:28] <Kilos> goed dankie en self seun
[06:28] <mazal> Okerig , raasie baie nie
[07:06] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:34] <Kilos> hello inetpro
[11:44] <gremble> Good afternoon kulelu88
[11:44] <gremble> You're here early
[11:44] <kulelu88> hey gremble . Yeah, trying to learn some stuff about postfix
[11:45] <gremble> Going to try and get into email? :P
[11:46] <kulelu88> somewhat yeah. I am trying to figure out how to make postfix talk to python
[11:46] <gremble> Oh alright. Interesting
[12:18] <kulelu88> hows the studies gremble
[12:22] <gremble> Going lazily. Went through my work, but now I lack the motivation to go through it again because it is no longer interesting. I wish I could get exam-like question sets, but the lecturers are so stingy with old exams
[12:24] <gremble> kulelu88: Do you know https://soundcloud.com/blacktigersexmachine?
[12:25] <kulelu88> try studynoteswiki for old exams
[12:26] <kulelu88> I know they got copyright violations letters from unisa for keeping old exams
[12:29] <gremble> Oh, thanks for this site
[12:29] <gremble> This is pretty cool
[12:29] <gremble> :o
[12:30] <kulelu88> time to launch my own exam-sharing site
[12:30] <gremble> I think so
[12:31] <gremble> This one is missing exams
[12:31] <kulelu88> really brutal name also: examshare.info :d
[12:31] <gremble> What you do is you get the exams in pdf, then you just extract the questions as individual parts
[12:31] <gremble> So that you don't actually violate copyright
[12:31] <gremble> Then you have a question database from which you can either model more questions, or just combine them to make novel exams
[12:32] <kulelu88> that is actually a really sick idea
[12:32] <kulelu88> extraction will be hard though
[12:32] <gremble> Yup
[12:32] <gremble> But I am sure you can employ some computer vision techniques
[12:33] <gremble> You only need a few, then you could probably make an algorithm to make new questions
[12:33] <gremble> for mathematics at least
[12:33] <gremble> I don't know about other subjects
[12:33] <gremble> For BCom subjects I suspect it will be harder
[12:34] <kulelu88> I don't think I'll bother to go that far. Just extracting the questions will be enough
[12:34] <gremble> :P
[12:34] <gremble> Well there you go then
[12:35] <kulelu88> want to be co-founder? :D
[12:37] <gremble> Haha I would, but I am not sure what I would be bringing to the table other than my charm. I don't have the coding expertise to even attempt such a project
[12:40] <kulelu88> the most difficult part would be extraction
[12:40] <kulelu88> the rest if crud stuff
[12:41] <gremble> Getting actual papers is not that easy either.
[12:41] <gremble> And sorting them against topic
[12:41] <gremble> That is what makes exam papers from a specific course so useful
[12:41] <gremble> Because it generally has a specific scope
[12:41] <kulelu88> getting them will be student driven
[12:48] <MaNI> unisa just don't want people to see all the mistakes in their exam papers :P
[12:49] <gremble> Do you know how many spelling and grammar errors I fix in exam papers?
[12:49] <gremble> I'm going to start to take a red pen in with me and mark the examiners spelling
[12:52] <kulelu88> nothing will get you more in their favour for a 49 can be made 50 by doing that ;)
[12:52] <gremble> Haha I don't get 49's
[12:52] <gremble> :P
[12:53] <gremble> If you want to be as arrogant as I am, you at least have to perform
[16:39] <elacheche> Can you please taka a look at my UPDATED quesion in here → https://redd.it/3tb6ci
[17:44] <magespawn> good evening
[17:45] <theblazehen> hi magespawn
[18:03] <magespawn> hi theblazehen, whats up?
[18:05] <theblazehen> Not much, and you magespawn?
[18:07] <magespawn> same old, more work than time, and no real money to buy new equipment
[18:13] <magespawn> eskom is playing a lot of havoc lately with ups, batteries and chargers lately
[18:14] <theblazehen> Ai that sucks.. After lightning otherday the kernel log has been logging quite a few machine check events...
[18:17] <theblazehen> wb magespawn. Eskom again?
[18:18] <magespawn> no that is cell signal
[18:23] <magespawn> signal is all over tha place
[18:29] <theblazehen> Eish
[18:59] <magespawn> chat later
[19:26] <inetpro> Nomanini launches new eLula platform driving efficiency for enterprise prepaid distributors
[19:26] <inetpro> http://nomanini.com/nomanini-launches-new-elula-platform-driving-efficiency-for-enterprise-prepaid-distributors-2015-11-17/
[19:26] <inetpro> superfly: nice story and interesting tech!
[20:15] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
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[12:55] <clivejo> !testers Can you please test kdeconnect-plasma0.9f (new release contains language support) in my PPA's (wily and xenial) available here - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo Mainly testing that the different languages are working.
[12:55] <clivejo> !testers
[12:56] <clivejo> ^^^
[12:57] <yofel> you can pass the bot arguments with a pipe, something like
[12:57] <yofel> !testers | today's a thursday, so someone say something funny
[12:57] <Tm_T> yofel: I need coffee
[12:58] <yofel> that's hard reality, not funny :'(
[12:58] <shadeslayer> I'm going from amazing sunny barcelona to freezing munich tomorrow
[12:59] <yofel> that would be funny if I weren't joining you XD
[13:01] <yofel> last weather forecast says something like 1°C with sligth snowfall
[13:19] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: freezing munich?
[13:19] <shadeslayer> it's -1 there
[13:19] <shadeslayer> on Sunday
[13:26] <soee> clivejo: later at home i will test
[14:09] <jmux> shadeslayer: well - today and tomorrow is still 16°C and sunshine. Didn't see the snow forecast yet. But November was all too warm anyway.
[14:10] <shadeslayer> https://weather.yahoo.com/germany/bavaria/munich-676757/
[14:10] <shadeslayer> says Snow on Sat
[14:10] <shadeslayer> and Sun
[14:11] <shadeslayer> and -3/-6 on Monday
[14:13] <jmux> Oh - off by one. Rain starts tomorrow. But we should be well - we're inside :-)
[14:14] * jmux should probably add hot chocolate to the beverages list
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:22] <shadeslayer> jmux: I've been recommended hot orange juice
[14:22] <shadeslayer> is that a thing over there
[14:22] <shadeslayer> jmux: and I'm arriving at 10 tomorrow, please save some veggie dinner for me :3
[14:23] <jmux> shadeslayer: that's the child version of Glühwein (e.g. hot christmas-spiced red wine)
[14:23] <shadeslayer> aha
[14:24] <shadeslayer> I'll have the spiced red wine instead :P
[14:25] <Mamarok> jmux: ping
[14:26] <jmux> shadeslayer: For all the public christmas markets we're a weekend too early
[14:26] <jmux> Mamarok: ?
[14:26] <Mamarok> jmux: this is the 3rd year in a row you schedule the Munich bugdays the same weekend as the LinuxDay in Dornbirn, and I can't be in both places at the same time :(
[14:26] <shadeslayer> jmux: drat
[14:27] <Mamarok> would be really nice if you could find another weekend next year, so I could actually go to Munich
[14:27] <jmux> Mamarok: Well - as all times there are public polls
[14:27] <Mamarok> as Dornbirn is for me a must, have a KDE booth there isnce like ever
[14:27] <Mamarok> yes, but public polls are useless if there are only 2 weekends to choose from and it's always the same we as Dornbirn
[14:28] <Mamarok> would be nice if you could avoid that weekend, all geeks in the region are flocking to Dornbirn
[14:35] <Mamarok> jmux: also Dorbirn schedule is usually known almost a year in advance, just don't use that weekend next time, please
[15:38] <jmux> Mamarok: ok - this years orga and polls were late and other constraints restricted us to these two weekends, but normally people decide long term in advance via polls - last time we had 4 WEs AFAIK
[15:39] <jmux> I don't see a reason to restrict any WE, except if we (as LiMux) can't provide coverage for the WE to do the organization
[15:39] <jmux> This year was very busy and if nobody had asked, I would not have organized anything this year.
[15:40] <jmux> So I'll have a longer announcement and poll time for the next BSP, which can probably done end of Spring 2016.
[15:43] <maxyz> kio 5.16 produces a new command line utility protocoltojson, that seems to not be installed by the kubuntu's kio. I'm not sure if it's only used by the kio internal tests or such. I'm adding it to the kio
[15:43] <maxyz> package in Debian, if you know more about it, please let me know.
[15:53] <shadeslayer> maxyz: if we don't, that might be a bug
[15:53] <shadeslayer> I don't see it in kubuntu_unstable anyway
[16:47] <maxyz> Also frameworkintegration is not installing the upd script to migrate to the noto fonts
[19:01] <starbuck11> i need a new ISO every DAY then
[19:30] <clivejo> yofel / sgclark: ping
[19:30] <yofel> HM?
[19:30] <clivejo> that was quick
[19:30] <yofel> damn caps
[19:31] <clivejo> Can I create wily_backports and xenial_archive branches for kde-connect?
[19:31] <clivejo> in debian git
[19:32] <yofel> yeah, go ahead. Just make sure that the control file points to the correct repository
[19:32] <clivejo> as in the packaging entry in the control file?
[19:33] <yofel> the VCS field
[19:33] <clivejo> BTW do you know how to match a character in the watch file?
[19:33] <clivejo> 0.9f wont work for me :(
[19:35] <clivejo> should I push two versions? ie a changelog entry for both 0.9 and 0.9f?
[19:36] <yofel> only if 0.9 was uploaded to the archive, otherwise just edit the existing one
[20:20] <clivejo> yofel: how do I fix the watch file for 0.9f ?
[20:21] <clivejo> download path is http://download.kde.org/unstable/kdeconnect/0.9/src/kdeconnect-kde-0.9f.tar.xz
[20:24] <clivejo> from reading the docs, http://download.kde.org/unstable/kdeconnect/([\d\.]+)/src/kdeconnect-kde-(.+)\.tar\.xz appears to work, but I dont like it
[20:43] <yofel> clivejo: that looks about right
[20:44] <yofel> at this point adding further restrictions is probably not needed
[20:50] <soee> are we building 55 beta or Xenial ?
[20:50] <soee> *Plasma 5.5 beta
[21:08] <clivejo> yofel: help!
[21:11] <clivejo> KCI is going crazy
[21:14] <clivejo> oh sitter put some pattern matching in .install, thats actually a good idea :/
[21:19] <yofel> problem resolved I guess? ^^
[21:19] <clivejo> which is prefered?
[21:20] <clivejo> sitters way is definitely more elegant!
[21:20] <clivejo> saves having to update the .install file everytime they change a so number, path or filename
[21:20] <yofel> a middle way. Listing all files is usually overkill, but you will want to make sure all paths are listed that contain important stuff.
[21:21] <clivejo> he has just got etc/ and usr/
[21:21] <yofel> for SO numbers, the actual SOVERSION needs to be listed, but not the full lib version, which is why we usually put libfoo.so.5 and libfoo.so.5* in libfoo5
[21:21] <yofel> that sounds like a bit too much wildcarding :/
[21:22] <yofel> which again, depends on what you package. You will want to make sure that the file saves you from important files suddenly going missing
[21:23] <clivejo> yeah, thats why I like to list everything now, if part of the build fails lintian will pick it up
[21:23] <yofel> (we already once shipped a completely empty kgamma package by mistake, which is why I usually ted to not wildcard too much)
[21:23] <yofel> *tend
[21:23] <clivejo> what should I do in this case?
[21:24] <clivejo> push my version to unstable?
[21:24] <yofel> is it in a branch right now?
[21:24] <clivejo> my version is in xenial
[21:25] <yofel> what's the repo path?
[21:25] <clivejo> the KCI is trying to merge to unstable and failing
[21:25] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kdeconnect-plasma.git/tree/debian/kdeconnect-plasma.install?h=kubuntu_unstable
[21:25] <clivejo> thats sitters version
[21:25] <yofel> thanks
[21:25] <clivejo> and mine http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-extras/kdeconnect-plasma.git/tree/debian/kdeconnect-plasma.install?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive
[21:26] <clivejo> I guess a middle ground would be best?
[21:27] <yofel> that already has a bunch of wildcarding, did you add that?
[21:28] <clivejo> I wildcarded usr/share/locale
[21:28] <yofel> who sponsored the archive upload?
[21:29] <clivejo> thats a mistake on my part
[21:29] <yofel> ;)
[21:29] <clivejo> it should be UNRELEASED
[21:30] <clivejo> so what would you advise me to do?
[21:31] <clivejo> take a middle ground on wildcarding?
[21:31] <yofel> I'll wildcard a couple things, that's easier than explaining
[21:32] <clivejo> will you change it to UNRELEASED too ?
[21:32] <yofel> might as well
[21:32] <clivejo> while you are there ;)
[21:32] <clivejo> any other boo-boos?
[21:34] <yofel> who would've guessed..
[21:35] <clivejo> needs to be merged with unstable?
[21:35] <yofel> yeah, I'll do that
[21:36] <yofel> if anything, I'm not too happy that we have 2 kdeconnect repositories now :/
[21:36] <clivejo> the KDE4 one?
[21:37] <yofel> right
[21:37] <clivejo> why is that?
[21:38] <yofel> well, you or someone made a new one, while debian currently uses pkg-kde/kde-extras/kdeconnect.git
[21:38] <yofel> but lets leave that for now
[21:39] * clivejo shakes head, dont think it was me
[21:39] <yofel> then lets leave it, not like the upstream source matches either name -.-
[21:39] <yofel> merge done
[21:39] <clivejo> but it did confuse me
[21:39] <yofel> that was fast
[21:40] * clivejo cheers
[21:40] <clivejo> you saved a lemming!
[21:40] <yofel> \o/
[21:42] <clivejo> did I read somewhere that the KDE4 version is to be supported for a period of time, so the two versions will be in parallel for a while ?
[21:43] <yofel> I don't think we plan to do that for a release, so at least nothing we have to worry about
[21:43] <clivejo> but would that explain debian having two versions?
[21:47] <yofel> two versions? I said two repositories
[21:48] <clivejo> kdeconnect and kdeconnect-plasma?
[21:48] <clivejo> or am I missing something?
[21:50] <yofel> right
[21:50] <clivejo> from what I read, kdeconnect is the KDE4 version and kdeconnect-plasma is KF5
[21:56] <clivejo> interesting, three missing files when built from git
[21:57] <clivejo> new features :)
[22:00] <clivejo> yofel: can I add them to the unstable branch?
[22:00] <yofel> sure
[22:01] <yofel> that's what it's for
[22:01] <clivejo> Id like to get the most up-to-date built
[22:12] <clivejo> yofel: if that failing due to the three lintian errors?
[22:14] <clivejo> if/is
[22:14] <yofel> I see 2, but yes, should be them
[22:14] <clivejo> is that an issue with the KCI?
[22:15] <clivejo> debian-revision-should-not-be-zero
[22:16] <clivejo> where does the KCI put the actual .deb packages?
[22:17] <clivejo> ah found it
[22:27] <clivejo> I can see find my phone and run console commands remotely :)
[22:44] <clivejo> cant figure out how to actually find my phone :/
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[00:45] <brum_> Putz
[00:45] <brum_> 15.10 Uma merda
[00:45] <brum_> Ubuntu 15.10 cheio de bugs
[00:45] <astroo-> ja agora diz o porque
[00:46] <brum_> SSRC
[00:46] <brum_> não funciona
[00:46] <brum_> Grub customizer não funciona
[00:46] <brum_> Multisystem não funciona
[00:46] <brum_> no 14.04 funciona tudo
[00:47] <brum_> Pra instalar o 15.10 dava erro no hd
[00:48] <brum_> três hds diferente
[00:48] <brum_> s
[00:48] <brum_> Horrivel esse 15.10
[00:48] <brum_> voltei para o ubuntu 14.04
[00:50] <astroo-> boa informaçao
[00:50] <lynxer10x> MerliM, funcionou o kernel 4.2 de boa. tudo funcionando deu erro em nada nao : Linux lynxer10-laptop 4.2.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.2.6-1~bpo8+1 (2015-11-18) x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:50] <MerliM> eu meu nao dava logo de cara
[00:51] <MerliM> porem depois ahuahahuaha
[00:51] <MerliM> mas que bom que vc conseguiu parabens fico com meu LTS mesmo
[00:51] <MerliM> :)
[00:51] <brum_> Sem contar quando instala o drive proprietário da aquela tela nojenta de Acpi pcc prob failed version 219
[00:58] <lynxer10x> :)
[01:15] <hggdh> ignorancia, e a expectativa que uma nova versão será identica à anterior... estes são os grandes problemas
[01:15] <hggdh> não mais muita saúva e pouca saúde.
[04:04] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[06:06] <Philosophus> boa noite !
[07:04] <nikolam> Hi, could someone translate me what lyrics in this song mean? It is a cooperation between Serbian group MistakeMistake and Madrugada, from few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTC0AW8ysBQ
[07:04] <nikolam> hope it doesn't bother you tiny miny offtopic ;P
[07:17] <jaqent> nikolam: it wasn't so tiny miny tbh
[07:19] <nikolam> bah, mixing technology and music this morning. Listening song about "penguins" of the same group that reminds me on linux.
[11:59] <jxajro> Alô por favor...algum internauta do Brasil ou de algum lugar pode me informar se o site www.ig.com.br e o www.google.com pode ser acessado??
[12:00] <lynxer10> bom dia
[12:01] <aedigital> buenas
[12:17] <jxajro> Bom dia!
[12:18] <jxajro> alguém consegue conectar o www.ig.com.br?
[12:20] <aedigital> xo ver
[12:22] <aedigital> em um pc aqui acessei
[12:22] <aedigital> agora neste ta lento bagarai
[12:23] <aedigital> eh
[12:24] <aedigital> ta lento mas ta dando pra acessar
[12:24] <jxajro> Opa..obrigado aedigital..deve ser problema do site então
[12:24] <aedigital> anram
[12:25] <aedigital> pelo menos em parte
[12:25] <jxajro> Obrigado! vc está acessando de onde aedigital...me perdoe a curiosidade....
[12:25] <caipora> jxajro: estou fora do brasil e o site para mim funciona bem
[12:29] <jxajro> Nossa..caipora..aqui não conecta de jeito nenhum.. nem o email :-(
[12:30] <jxajro> será que pode ser problema do provedor??
[12:30] <jxajro> seja como for..obrigado pela ajuda..vou ver como posso resolver isto..
[12:31] <MerliM> jxajro, pode ser o dns eu tava tendo problema tambem com lentidao no google e no gmail
[12:31] <MerliM> com dns do proprio google e da openDNS
[12:31] <jxajro> sim o google também tá lento desde ontem
[12:31] <MerliM> coloquei os da openNIC enviados pelo nosso amigo jaqent
[12:31] <MerliM> e funfoou de boaaa
[12:32] <MerliM> openNIX
[12:32] <MerliM> openNIC procura
[12:35] <jxajro> o que é openDNS??
[12:48] <shallwe> bom dia manolos
[12:49] <MerliM> jxajro, um servidor de DNS publico digamos assim pra evitar o lixo que os provedores nos passam
[12:49] <jxajro> Bon jour Pierre!
[12:49] <MerliM> recomendo o OpenNIC excelente Server
[12:49] <MerliM> nusssaaaa Frances
[12:49] <jxajro> OpenNIC?
[12:49] <jxajro> como eu conecto isso?
[12:49] <MerliM> tu nao é terror nao ne???
[12:50] <MerliM> acessa lá o site mano
[12:50] <MerliM> https://www.opennicproject.org
[12:50] <jxajro> Seu não sou terror? Espere ai....segundo a Sharia 23....capito dois Allah Huakbar....
[12:50] <jxajro> não
[12:50] <MerliM> clica no get started
[12:50] <jxajro> No sou homem bomba.
[12:51] <jxajro> Ainda não estou credenciado para explodir nada.
[12:51] <MerliM> nussaaa
[12:51] <jxajro> Clicar no get started?
[12:52] <MerliM> Insha'Allah
[12:52] <MerliM> no site mano
[12:52] <MerliM> entra no site ele vai gerar os servidores mais proximos de vc
[12:53] <jxajro> Ainda tentei um estágio, coloquei umas bombas e disseram vá por Allah..eu entendi que era pra ir pra lá e acabei explodindo um sheik por engano.
[12:53] <shallwe> sei não ta caindo DNS pro próximo da frança kkk
[12:53] <jxajro> qual site?
[12:53] <shallwe> 87.98.175.85 (ns10.fr) -- 99.52% uptime
[12:54] <jxajro> to estranhando não conectar..começou com o google.com... não conectava agora o iG..estou sem acesso a meus emails desde ontem a noite :-(
[12:55] <shallwe> jxajro: GVT?
[12:55] <jxajro> GVT o que shallwe?
[12:56] <shallwe> jxajro: sei lá to chutando, vc não é do brasil?
[12:56] <jxajro> Me mandaram um site https://www.opennicproject.org...estou acessando.
[12:56] <MerliM> jxajro, mano nao pode ficar de papo aqui qlqr coisa vai pro ##.-.##
[12:56] <MerliM> pra offtopic
[12:56] <MerliM> shallwe, bom dia mano quero falar com vc desde ontem
[12:56] <jxajro> Sim. Estou no Brasil.
[12:57] <shallwe> MerliM: olá, diga
[12:57] <jxajro> Opa desculpem..me empolguei. o que é ##.-.##???
[12:57] <MerliM> jxajro, canal pra bater papo entre a galera que quiser e nao sair do assunto do topic
[12:57] <jxajro> bom.... desculpem incomodar eu vou tentar ligar pro provedor e ver se consigo uma ajuda.
[12:57] <jxajro> Obrigado.
[12:58] <shallwe> jxajro: eu acho que isso é do seu provedor
[12:58] <MerliM> shallwe, só queria te agradecer demais mano nao sabes o bem que me fez com a dica da purple-facebook
[12:58] <shallwe> já aconteceu comigo várias vezes e nao adiantou mudar DNS nem nada
[12:58] <MerliM> aproveitei e coloquei do skype também
[12:58] <shallwe> MerliM: tranquilo :) uso direto
[12:59] <MerliM> shallwe, muitissimooooo obg porque tenho clientes que insistem em usar facebook como contato aff
[12:59] <aedigital> hahahaha
[12:59] <MerliM> entao ou tava na page ou no messenger nao uso isso no celular, nem tenho cell na vdd
[13:00] <MerliM> huahuaua então não sabes o BEM que me fez muitissimoooo obg MESMO
[13:00] <MerliM> a libpurple-skype também funciona de boa inclusive faz busca por nomes no diretorio do skype
[13:00] <MerliM> fica a dica
[13:00] <shallwe> MerliM: pois é no kubuntu 15.10 o messenger padrão já vem com a conta do facebook, achei estranho tirarem, mas já que é do face...
[13:01] <MerliM> nao uso kubuntu man!!! Voce me ajudou duas vezes sem nem saber :D
[13:03] <MerliM> gente ubuntu 14.04 descontinuou né
[13:04] <eloi_carneiro> MerliM, como assim? ele é LTS
[13:04] <eloi_carneiro> o que descontinuou foi o 14.10
[13:05] <MerliM> pronto isso que queria saber obg
[13:10] <jxajro> Alô amigos!
[13:10] <jxajro> Já resolvi o problema do DNS...resetei e dei boot em tudo e voltou.
[13:10] <jxajro> Obrigado.
[13:14] <MerliM> jxajro, ok
[13:14] <MerliM> que bom
[13:37] <ok__> cm?
[14:05] <shallwe> caramba vocês acreditam que em dublagem brasileira eles também falam "pra MIM fazer" wtf, isso que é Brasil, pátria educadora kkkk
[14:06] <aedigital> na boa
[14:06] <aedigital> eu odeio eh a lingua portuguesa
[14:07] <shallwe> eu tb nao gosto, mas falar nossa língua corretamente é o mínimo que podemos fazer :)
[14:07] <shallwe> mais triste que isso só quando vem alguem, e vc passa o link de ajuda pro ubuntu e o cara diz que não fala inglês :(
[14:07] <aedigital> acho besteira isto
[14:08] <aedigital> o que importa eh o que vai no coracao, no espirito, nao como diz
[14:08] <aedigital> a ou b
[14:08] <aedigital> ah sim
[14:08] <aedigital> o cara nao saber ingles
[14:08] <aedigital> isto sim eh o minimo
[14:08] <aedigital> huahuahuahua
[14:21] <Boson_> Alguem on?
[14:21] <shallwe> Boson_: Claro
[14:22] <Boson_> Me confundi com a instrução acima. Quala versão atual disponivel para instalação?
[14:23] <shallwe> Boson_: 14.04
[14:23] <shallwe> e a 15.10
[14:23] <shallwe> ubuntu.com
[14:23] <Boson_> Qual vc usa?
[14:23] <shallwe> a 14.04 é mais antiga, por isso é a mais estável
[14:23] <shallwe> a 15.10 é nova, pode ocorrer alguns bugs, dependendo do seu hardware claro
[14:24] <shallwe> qual q configuração do seu pc?
[14:24] <Boson_> Um ultrabook dell vostro i3 4mb
[14:25] <Boson_> terceira geraçao
[14:26] <shallwe> a bom
[14:26] <shallwe> se és iniciante recomendo a 14.04
[14:26] <shallwe> 64bit
[14:27] <Boson_> Muito obrigado
[14:27] <eloi_carneiro> Boson_,
[14:27] <eloi_carneiro> é o 5470?
[14:28] <eloi_carneiro> aqui eu estava com o 14.04 e estava com problemas para suspender por causa da minha placa nvidia
[14:29] <eloi_carneiro> dai atualizei para o 15.10
[14:29] <eloi_carneiro> e agora esta 100%
[14:29] <shallwe> eloi_carneiro: é bem estranho o 14.04 ter problemas com nvidia
[14:29] <shallwe> era drive proprietário?
[14:29] <eloi_carneiro> agora se o seu note não tiver placa nvidia, apenas a versão intel pode ser que o 14.04 não apresente o problema
[14:29] <eloi_carneiro> sim
[14:30] <eloi_carneiro> shallwe, era proprietario
[14:30] <Boson_> vou testar
[14:30] <eloi_carneiro> shallwe, mas com o 15.10 esta lindo
[14:30] <eloi_carneiro> perfeito
[14:30] <shallwe> eloi_carneiro: a bom, menos mal :)
[16:24] <MerliM> shallwe, esse link é baumm mano c que é da area
[16:24] <MerliM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIAQvigoIgM
[16:26] <shallwe> MerliM: a sim valeu, eu uso inkscape é mais livre pra movimentar e tratar os objetos do que ficar selecionando camadas :) mas é uma boa dica valeu
[16:27] <MerliM> mano é uma pergunta
[16:27] <MerliM> auhuaa
[16:27] <MerliM> shallwe, esse link é baumm mano c que é da area????
[16:27] <MerliM> tem links de uso do inkscape
[16:31] <shallwe> MerliM: pra vc ver como é o nosso português, sem um ponto de interrogação no final não tem como saber kkk, diferente do ingles :)
[16:32] <MerliM> exato
[16:32] <MerliM> portugues pra mim lixo
[16:32] <MerliM> ahuahua
[16:32] <MerliM> desculpe, complicado e inutil
[16:32] <MerliM> preferia espanhol
[16:33] <shallwe> o gimp te dá mais posicionado, pois quando se faz uma pagina da internet hoje em dia tem vários cuidados, como o tamanho máximo, mínimo e também paginas dinâmicas, que chamamos de responsivos, que elas se ajustam se você está usando cel, tablet ou pc
[16:33] <shallwe> MerliM: vc sabe algo de html5 e css?
[16:33] <MerliM> mano sim e nao
[16:33] <MerliM> nao sou fera nisso
[16:34] <MerliM> shallwe, bora pro ##.-.## pra nao da galho aqui
[16:34] <shallwe> recomendo o brackets, ele é bem bom e tem pra ubuntu claro
[16:34] <shallwe> MerliM: de novo não cara, custa muito tempo kkk
[16:34] <MerliM> shallwe, nao uso buntuco e ja uso vim
[16:34] <MerliM> kkk
[16:34] <shallwe> só estou te dando as dicas, envolve os softwares que uso no ubuntu então não tem problema
[16:34] <MerliM> :D
[16:34] <MerliM> tnks
[16:35] <shallwe> brackets pra fazer os códigos, bem com mesmo, procura, uso inkscape pra desenhos dos botes, logos etc, e gimp pras imagens claro
[16:36] <shallwe> mas antes de começar a se preocupar com layout, procura algumas coisas só pra dar uma lida basica: - layout responsive, - tableless -bootstrap
[16:36] <shallwe> esse bootstrap é bem interessante, ele te dá uma noção das posições e era isso
[16:37] <shallwe> e tudo rola tranquilo no ubuntu
[16:37] <MerliM> blza obrigadooo
[16:38] <shallwe> tranquilo :)
[17:02] <MerliM> shallwe, libpurple-whatsapp
[17:02] <MerliM> :D
[17:02] <MerliM> a purple tem lib pra tudo até pra NASA NSA
[17:02] <MerliM> ahuaua
[17:04] <shallwe> essa é a vantagem do linux, faz uma lib e era isso
[17:04] <shallwe> ai no windows vc faz um dll e ela depende do visual stdio 4, 5, 6 e assim vai, quando vc vê tem mais versões de dlls no seu sistema que germes no vaso sanitário
[17:25] <Dead_Thinker> Saudades de usar o Pidgin pra tudo hehe
[17:26] <Dead_Thinker> mas hj em dia com WhatsApp e Facebook da vida os messengers desktop meio q perderam sentido
[17:32] <shallwe> Dead_Thinker: eu só uso isso whatsapp no google chrome e pidgin pra facebook
[17:32] <shallwe> e alguns cliente skype claro
[17:42] <shallwe> kkk quem usam atom pra codigo sabe como é https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aEiVwBAdk
[17:55] <edenc> Dead_Thinker: morreram? Eu uso telegram, whataspp e facebook primariamente no desktop
[17:56] <Dead_Thinker> edenc: mas com client? eu uso no browser desktop tb, mas de client nativo só o do Telegram
[17:56] <edenc> sim, com client
[17:56] <edenc> quer dizer, não o whatsapp porque é terrível
[17:57] <Dead_Thinker> mas falo mais em relação a usar MSN/ICQ/YM! e outros protocolos no mesmo client como antes, no Gaim/Pidgin, Miranda, Trillian etc
[17:57] <shallwe> caramba vc lembrou do trillian kkkk
[17:57] <edenc> Dead_Thinker: qual é a diferença? são protocolos
[17:57] <edenc> que são implementados por clients
[17:58] <edenc> exceto que o whatsapp é um protocolo propositalmente estragado pra você não sair dos clientes deles
[17:58] <edenc> de resto tem um monte de cliente, inclusive o pidgin tem suporte a todos
[17:58] <edenc> via libpurple
[17:58] <edenc> não usa quem não quer
[18:00] <shallwe> edenc: verdade, tem até apps pra whatsapp, mas eu não recomendo, pq se descobrirem podem te banir :)
[18:00] <edenc> shallwe: podem? não sabia disso
[18:01] <shallwe> edenc: não foi esse que vi mas serve http://www.cultofandroid.com/72184/use-third-party-whatsapp-client-banned-life/
[18:01] <shallwe> os caras são fumetas
[18:02] <shallwe> mas uso no google chrome, funciona perfeito
[18:02] <edenc> shallwe: exceto se o celular estiver desligado ou sem conexão
[18:03] <shallwe> edenc: a sim, tem que estar com o cel na rede wifi
[18:03] <edenc> eu estou quase parando de usar
[18:03] <edenc> shallwe: não precisa ser wifi
[18:03] <edenc> as pessoas que eu gosto não estão no whatsapp mesmo
[18:03] <shallwe> edenc: digo wifi pq nao vou ficar usando o 4g kk, mas o inportante é estar conectado
[18:04] <shallwe> edenc: nem me fale, whatsapp é uma praga, quando se junta um grupo de amigos é toda hora aquilo apitando um nojo
[18:04] <edenc> shallwe: só botar pra não apitar
[18:04] * a325 slaps shallwe around a bit with a large fishbot
[18:04] <shallwe> a325: ui :)
[18:05] <shallwe> edenc: sim, mas problema depois é vc ficar lendo e tentando achar algo que falaram de importante kkkk no meio de tanta besteira, faz parte
[18:05] <shallwe> mas uso o facebook no pidgin
[18:05] <shallwe> e claro, e-mail lógico
[18:05] <edenc> shallwe: as pessoas falam coisas importantes no whatsapp?
[18:05] <a325> tenho que aprender a usar isso aqui =X
[18:05] <shallwe> edenc: pior que sim, trabalho
[18:06] <edenc> agora você me pegou
[18:06] <shallwe> tenho cliente que me manda tudo por whatsapp até voz gravada! um nojo kkk mas é cliente, não posso falar pra ele usar outro app né
[18:06] <edenc> é, eu não posso usar whatsapp a trabalho porque meu empregador leva segurança um pouco a sério
[18:06] <edenc> poder pode
[18:07] <shallwe> edenc: a sim ai não dá mesmo
[18:07] <edenc> rs
[18:07] <shallwe> é eu tento responder sempre por e-mail, assim vai acostumando ou ligo no cel da pessoa
[18:07] <edenc> whatsapp uma única utilidade pra mim: marcar coisas com as minas do tinder
[18:08] <a325> pessoal, trabalho com javascript, php e (muito raro) java...vale a pena aprender python ?
[18:08] <shallwe> a325: conhecimento nunca é de mais
[18:08] <edenc> a325: sempre vale a pena aprender uma linguagem diferente da que você já conhece
[18:08] <shallwe> :) tá falado
[18:08] <jaqent> a325: "Tudo vale a pena se a alma nao eh pequena"
[18:08] <edenc> a questão é se você tem tempo pra investir em aprendizado ou não
[18:08] <jaqent> :P
[18:08] <edenc> jaqent: nah
[18:08] * edenc detesta essa citação
[18:09] <shallwe> a325: mas depende do uso
[18:09] <jaqent> edenc: eu tb nao gosto, mas caia bem no momento...
[18:09] <edenc> pra mim nunca cai bem, mas aí sou apenas eu
[18:10] <shallwe> por exemplo eu trabalho atualmente com web, então phyton pra mim não tem muita utilidade, uso html, css, javascript e php
[18:10] <shallwe> sempre achei phyton um visual basic da vida nao?
[18:10] <edenc> shallwe: python é um bom substituto pra php :P
[18:10] <edenc> hein?
[18:10] <jaqent> edenc: com certeza
[18:10] <shallwe> edenc: substituto em que ponto?
[18:11] <shallwe> servidores com phyton?
[18:11] <edenc> do tipo você usar python em todos os lugares que cogitaria usar php
[18:11] <edenc> porque php é horrível
[18:11] <edenc> prefiro clipper
[18:11] <jaqent> mas o problema eh que o mercado de fora geral eh dominado por PHP/ASP nem toda hospedagem suporta python por exemplo, e as vezes vc tem que ira pra uma VPS/dedicado pra ter qualidade.
[18:12] <shallwe> a ta, mas meu caso é online mesmo, php inda é melhor e mais fácil de ter em hospedagens
[18:12] <jaqent> *de forma geral
[18:12] <edenc> jaqent: isso era verdade no século passado
[18:12] <shallwe> asp ainda existe? kkk
[18:12] <edenc> a única vantagem do php em 2015 é a existência do wordpress
[18:12] <shallwe> que domina a web :)
[18:12] <edenc> domina não
[18:12] <shallwe> e tira meu pão de cada dia :( kkk
[18:13] <jaqent> infelizmente eh bem perto da verdade
[18:13] <edenc> WP só domina o mercado de content management
[18:13] <shallwe> edenc: é por ai
[18:13] <edenc> que não é "a web"
[18:13] <edenc> "a web" é outra coisa
[18:13] <shallwe> claro que tem muito mais coisas, loja virtual etc que não se faz com ele
[18:13] <jaqent> so que isso jah eh um mercado enorme
[18:13] <a325> to fora de wordpress
[18:14] <jaqent> shallwe: eu ja vi gente fazendo... fica bonito que da gosto
[18:14] <edenc> shallwe: não é verdade, o magento está firme e forte
[18:14] <edenc> inclusive detém uma fatia boa do mercado
[18:14] <shallwe> jaqent: sim tem plugin que fazem ele como loja virtual, mas nada comparado com opencart, magento ou mesmo prestashop
[18:14] <shallwe> que são proprios pra isso
[18:14] <edenc> shallwe: magento é php
[18:15] <shallwe> edenc: sim, prestashop tb opencart tb, joomla etc
[18:15] <edenc> e eu já toquei um negócio de sucesso com um plugin de ecommerce no wordpress
[18:15] <edenc> deu muito certo
[18:15] <a325> em cima do zend framework (magento)
[18:15] <edenc> porque era interessante ter o blog e a loja integrados
[18:15] <shallwe> edenc: é ai nesse caso é uma boa pedida :)
[18:15] <shallwe> quando se precisa dos 2
[18:15] <edenc> "não se faz" é uma coisa que "não se diz" hue
[18:16] <edenc> mas a nível não-comercial, de domínio da habilidade de programar
[18:16] <edenc> php é uma péssima escolha
[18:16] <shallwe> larguei vcs de mão, vou tomar meu chá da tarde :)
[18:16] <shallwe> edenc: sei não descordo
[18:16] <shallwe> se souber usar é bom, rápido, prático e seguro
[18:17] <edenc> shallwe: "dIscordo"
[18:17] <edenc> shallwe: ah vá
[18:17] <edenc> até um ano atrás nem tinha suporte a ut8
[18:17] <shallwe> edenc: kkk vc entendeu, escrevi rápido :)
[18:17] <edenc> *utf8
[18:17] <shallwe> e tb tem intendeu e entendeu :)
[18:18] <edenc> se você passar 5 anos programando php exclusivamente
[18:18] <edenc> vai perder completamente a habilidade de usar paradigmas funcionais ou assíncronos
[18:18] <edenc> e a capacidade de aprender paradigmas tecnológicos novos :P
[18:18] <jaqent> que absurdo
[18:18] <shallwe> edenc: a bom, se você é programador a tempo então nem tenho o que falar :)
[18:19] <edenc> quero ver uma pessoa que programa php exclusivamente implementar um algoritmo que rode bem no hadoop
[18:19] <a325> edenc php é otimo, o que fode é os que não sabem usar
[18:19] <edenc> aliás, um algoritmo que rode
[18:19] <edenc> nem precisa ser "bem"
[18:19] <a325> e sai fazendo merda
[18:19] <edenc> ok...
[18:20] <jaqent> eu vou me abster dessa conversa pra evitar de elevar a temperatura do canal
[18:20] <shallwe> eu vou tomar chá que ficou offtopic :) kkk
[18:21] <shallwe> mas eu uso php :)
[18:21] <edenc> a325: como você implementaria um bitmap heap scan usando php?
[18:21] <aedigital> bom mesmo eh uma cerva gelada neste calor
[18:22] <edenc> eu sou curioso, perco meu tempo com coisas que eu já sei que são impossíveis, vai que eu aprendo alguma coisa
[18:37] <hggdh> a325: linguagem, por favor
[18:39] <a325> edenc, do sql ?
[18:54] <edenc> a325: hein?
[21:41] <Gluon> Hi
[21:43] <barna> olá
[22:01] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[22:12] <Gluon> opa
[22:13] <astroo-> ola
[22:28] <barna> alguem manja de samba?
[22:29] <barna> to precisando compartilhar uma pasta com usuarios ruindows sem q peça senha. uma pasta publica a qualquer um, com todas as permissões. mas sempre q clico no "servidor" no ruindows ele pede sanha antes de mostras as pastas. meu smb.conf ta ssim http://paste.ubuntu.com/13353960/
[22:44] <Gluon> alo
[23:10] <xGrind> barna, ja conseguiu?
[23:11] <barna> xGrind, consegui não
[23:15] <Philosophus> boa noite !!!
[23:15] <astroo-> ola
[23:21] <Boson_> boa noite
[23:22] <barna> boa
[23:23] <barna> na verdade ta boa não, to passando tanta raiva com o samba.... foi só pra ser cordial!
[23:23] <Boson_> um momento...
[23:39] <Boson_> barna?
[23:41] <Boson_> Alguém pode me ajudar com um aconfiiguração do XChat?
[23:44] <annakamilla> oi gente tudo bom ?
[23:45] <barna> Boson_, qual a dificuldade?
[23:45] <Philosophus> opa, tudo indo
[23:45] <annakamilla> to precisando de uma ajuda aqui
[23:45] <Philosophus> no que ?
[23:45] <barna> bom ta não, mas oi annakamilla
[23:45] <annakamilla> com ssd d sndisk
[23:45] <annakamilla> sandisk
[23:46] <barna> da um apt-get update q resolve
[23:47] <annakamilla> tenho ele ha pouco tempo e o gnome-disk-utility já tá acusando falha de ecc em 4 setores
[23:48] <annakamilla> to com ubunu 14, e o trim já está ativado
[23:50] <Boson_> barna... como faço para ocultar meu ip?
[23:50] <Boson_> pensei que era o comando /hs request, mas não funciona
[23:51] <barna> Boson_, primeiro vc tem q registrar seu nick, vc ja fez isso?
[23:51] <Boson_> já
[23:51] <Boson_> no freenode correto?
[23:52] <barna> eu entrei no #freenode (eu acho, isso foi a 7 anos tras) e pedi pra me ocultarem. (em ingles é claro)
[23:53] <Boson_> e depois?
[23:53] <astroo-> ja dou a soluçao
[23:53] <Boson_> opa...
[23:53] <rafaelsoaresbr> é solicita no #freenode um hidden host
[23:54] <astroo-> em ingles
[23:54] <annakamilla> alguém tem ssd aqui ?
[23:54] <rafaelsoaresbr> annakamilla, eu tenho. kingston v300
[23:55] <Boson_> acesso esse canal e peço?
[23:55] <annakamilla> humm to com um da sandisk
[23:55] <annakamilla> rafaelsoaresbr, estes erros de ecc são comuns ?
[23:56] <rafaelsoaresbr> annakamilla, Comprei a série V300 que tanto o pessoal reclamou que vinha com flash de baixa qualidade, até hoje não deu problema
[23:56] <barna> depois vc entra na lista de rede do xchat> coloca seu nick em nick: , em redes > ubuntu servers > editar> em favority channels vc coloca o #ubuntu-br, em coando de ligação vc coloca: set irc_join_delay 10 e em password: vc coloca a senha do seu nick .
[23:57] <annakamilla> então não tem problema em dar erros de ecc né ? rafaelsoaresbr ?
[23:57] <Boson_> o que é o delay 10?
[23:58] <rafaelsoaresbr> annakamilla, isso é um problema. no aplicativos Discos aqui diz: O disco está OK (39 °C / 102 °F)
[23:59] <rafaelsoaresbr> annakamilla, o TRIM está habilitado?
[23:59] <barna> Boson_, é pra ele esperar 10 segundos antes de entrar no canal, pra dar tempo de seu password ser autenticado na freenode.
[23:59] <annakamilla> o meu também mas na hora que eu olho detalhadamente ele aparece os 4 setores.
[23:59] <annakamilla> ele tá to com o ubuntu 14.04 que já vem com suporte
[23:59] <Boson_> Vou sair e retorno. Valeu barna.. mudei a configuração
[23:59] <barna> se não vc entra direto, e aparece seu ip, quando vc é autenticado, ele desconecta e conecta da novo sem o ip
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-rs
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[07:20] <nikolam> Penguins + MistakeMistake (+love) :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YolzGdmkJKY%08
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-locoteams
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[05:10] <Kilos> morning nhaines svij and everyone else
[06:06] <nhaines> Good morning, Kilos!
[06:34] <svij> morning Kilos and nhaines
[07:36] <dholbach> good morning
[07:56] <Kilos> hi dholbach
[07:56] <dholbach> hi Kilos
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-desktop
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[05:56] <didrocks> good morning!
[06:14] <pitti> Good morning
[06:37] <hikiko> good morning desktopers :D
[06:38] <didrocks> hey hikiko
[06:38] <hikiko> my isp just gave me 10GB mobile internet for free until they fix the problem so that I can use my mobile as a hotspot until they fix the issue :)
[06:38] <hikiko> \m/
[06:38] <hikiko> hi didrocks :)
[06:42] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:42] <seb128> hey hikiko, re didrocks
[06:43] <didrocks> re seb128
[06:45] <hikiko> hi seb128
[07:21] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:21] * pitti -> appointment, bbl
[07:21] <seb128> pitti, salut pitti, ça va ?
[08:02] <larsu> good morning!
[08:03] <didrocks> hey larsu!
[08:05] <larsu> bonjour didrocks!
[08:14] <Trevinho> Buon giorno!
[08:16] <larsu> hey Trevinho
[08:16] <didrocks> morning Trevinho
[08:17] <seb128> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[08:17] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[08:17] <larsu> morning seb128! good thanks - and you?
[08:19] <Trevinho> Hi larsu, didrocks, seb128 ;-)
[08:27] <darkxst> hey all
[08:35] <seb128> hey darkxst
[08:40] * Trevinho hates when can't connect to routers...
[08:53] <didrocks> interesting those frameworks which keeps changing their icon path :p
[08:54] <didrocks> (great that tests enable us to discover this)
[09:00] <willcooke> morning
[09:01] <larsu> willcooke: bonjour
[09:02] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[09:03] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[09:03] <Laney> hey ;-)
[09:03] <Laney> a pre hello hey from seb128!
[09:03] <seb128> :-)
[09:03] <Laney> i think you meant larsu
[09:04] <seb128> no, but it was within the minute you usually say hello
[09:04] <larsu> morning Laney :)
[09:04] <seb128> so I though it was good timing ;-)
[09:04] <larsu> seb128 is clever
[09:05] <Laney> a cunning young man
[09:05] <Laney> some would say too cunning
[09:05] <Laney> hi larsu!
[09:05] <seb128> haha
[09:05] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:08] <seb128> what's going on with autopkgtests, why is there so much backlog?
[09:09] <Laney> hey didrocks
[09:09] * seb128 looks at pitti
[09:10] <Laney> one of the cloud regions is broken
[09:10] <Laney> so there are 10 less workers than normal
[09:10] <seb128> I see
[09:11] <seb128> need to to feed more hamsters
[09:12] <Laney> still doesn't seem to have gotten to most of the gtk tests though
[09:12] <Laney> that's been like 1.5 days now
[09:13] <Laney> which is a bit suspicious
[09:13] <seb128> yeah, some are in progress for ages
[09:13] <Laney> and the queue only shrunk by like 60 overnight on xenial/amd64
[09:14] <Laney> I think one problem is that kde tests all do a rebuild from source
[09:14] <Laney> don't know if that explains all this
[09:14] <Laney> there were quite a lot on trusty too because of some kernel uploads
[09:14] <Laney> bleh
[09:15] <Laney> did you see my request yesterday for some promotions?
[09:15] <seb128> yeah, I was still around but not in full work mode
[09:15] <seb128> and I'm unsure I feel like promoting things without a MIR
[09:15] <seb128> is that "perl sources can be freely promoted" written somewhere?
[09:16] <seb128> it feels weird
[09:16] <seb128> like why do we need to bother for things like cmake rules or small python wrappers, but perl is ok?
[09:17] <Laney> ok, never mind, I'll ask someone else
[09:17] <Laney> thanks!
[09:17] <seb128> I'm tempted to just do it for the sake of avoiding work though :p
[09:17] <seb128> sorry, ping me again if you don't manage to get a reply for e.g infinity
[09:17] <seb128> I'm a bit reluctant but it's not going to take a lot to convince me ;-)
[09:17] <seb128> what is pulling those in now btw?
[09:17] <seb128> I missed the context
[09:18] <Laney> lintian
[09:19] <robert_ancell> Hi all
[09:19] <robert_ancell> Writing planning documents feels like going back 10 years in software development...
[09:20] <Laney> hey robert_ancell
[09:20] <seb128> hey robert_ancell!
[09:20] <Laney> what a nice surprise!
[09:20] <seb128> how are you? (out of the planning documents writting ;-)
[09:20] <didrocks> hey robert_ancell!
[09:21] <Laney> what's the planning document for?
[09:21] <robert_ancell> seb128, sore. I spent the evening putting up insulation in my house renovation. Wild times for me!
[09:21] <robert_ancell> Laney, GNOME Software
[09:22] <willcooke> ohai robert_ancell !
[09:22] <didrocks> seb128: +1 on being annoyed by those CI downtime without warnings (spent an hour this morning because all machines were on weird state)
[09:26] * Laney tries didrocks appstream commit
[09:27] <didrocks> no fear! :-)
[09:28] <Laney> is using a virtualenv best practice?
[09:29] <didrocks> Laney: if you want to control exactly what deps are in, yeah
[09:29] <Laney> I got all the deps from the archive anyway
[09:29] <Laney> so it made me wonder a bit
[09:29] <didrocks> (and if you use --site-packages, it's just a portable way to have your binaries installed in a non root dir)
[09:29] <didrocks> so I would say it's still the best to do
[09:29] <Laney> because with setting PYTHONPATH it works directly from the checkout
[09:29] <didrocks> better than /usr/local/…
[09:29] <Laney> but it's not hard to install it
[09:29] <didrocks> yeah, I would still suggest to install it
[09:30] <didrocks> in this virtualenv
[09:30] <Laney> unless there is weird path stuff
[09:30] <didrocks> Laney: btw, I guess the service isn't scalable with just served by one server, isn't it?
[09:30] <didrocks> what's the plan for that, giving it charmed to IS?
[09:31] <didrocks> or handling it in canonistack for some amount of time
[09:31] <Laney> like this https://github.com/ximion/appstream-dep11/blob/master/dep11/generator.py#L386
[09:31] <didrocks> and handling replications and such
[09:31] <Laney> what do you mean?
[09:31] <Laney> launchpad will just pull the data into the archive
[09:31] <pitti> re
[09:31] <pitti> seb128: 'sup?
[09:31] <Laney> users don't hit it directly really
[09:31] <pitti> seb128: oh, the backlog -- well, look at excuses.html :/
[09:31] <seb128> pitti, yeah, that's what I'm looking at
[09:31] <didrocks> Laney: ah, so one consumer (being launchpad), but still, who will host it?
[09:32] <seb128> pitti, things seem to be on "in progress" for days
[09:32] <Laney> $cloud
[09:32] <didrocks> Laney: I have some suggestions if it's on canonistack to ensure it's always up :)
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: and bos01 died over night, so it didn't make as much progress as it could have
[09:32] <didrocks> (even one instance)
[09:32] <Laney> it'll be on prodstack or whatever I guess
[09:32] <didrocks> ok
[09:32] <didrocks> so not us
[09:32] <pitti> debci-xenial-amd64 472
[09:32] <Laney> canonistack is no good for a production service
[09:32] <pitti> debci-xenial-armhf 30
[09:32] <pitti> debci-xenial-i386 256
[09:32] <pitti> debci-xenial-ppc64el 8
[09:32] <Laney> it's been randomly shut down many times already
[09:32] <didrocks> Laney: the path stuff doesn't really shock me TBH
[09:32] <Laney> and only been up for like 1 week
[09:32] <didrocks> Laney: it's either using prod data or local checkout one, which is common
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: yeah, I know -- we are still heavily underpowered and Monday's KDE landing causes an awful backlog as the tests take very long
[09:33] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, that's why if you wanted to use something like kubernetes meanwhile…
[09:33] <didrocks> (providing one or multiple pods and keeping them up)
[09:33] <Laney> didrocks: this breaks if it's in the virtualenv though no?
[09:33] <Laney> because ".." won't be what it wants it to be
[09:34] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, wierd that it worked, though, right?
[09:34] <Laney> I don't know that it did
[09:34] <Laney> because of the bug you fixed it never ran
[09:34] <Laney> so would have found this later on
[09:34] <seb128> pitti, I see, would be nice to have some smart logic to not let big jobs DoS the infra and take all the builders, blocking the small/easy ones
[09:34] <seb128> oh well
[09:34] <seb128> no hurry, let's wait
[09:34] <didrocks> Laney: I told you I tried it in a virtualenv on the machine, no?
[09:34] <Laney> did you look at the output?
[09:35] <pitti> seb128: believe me, I'm harrassing IS regularly about getting moar powah :/ I know it sucks
[09:35] <didrocks> yep, it generated some new content, but I didn't look in detail (there was some warning, but similar to the one you had with your global run IIRC)
[09:35] <Laney> I guess the system fallback would have worked
[09:36] * Laney removes the package ;-)
[09:36] <didrocks> yeah
[09:36] <didrocks> if you installed it :p
[09:36] <didrocks> the best practice is first to factorize that in a get_template_dir()
[09:36] <didrocks> and have the logic poking here
[09:36] <pitti> seb128: so KDE and lots of other xenial packages plus new kernels in all stables (which also trigger several hundred tests each), plus little capacity -> I don't think reordering gains us that much there
[09:36] <Laney> how do you get the root directory of the virtualenv?
[09:37] <pitti> seb128: is there a package that's particularly pressing? we can hint it
[09:37] <didrocks> Laney: $VIRTUAL_ENV
[09:38] <Laney> neat
[09:38] <didrocks> isn't it? :p
[09:38] <didrocks> Laney: want some help or you are handling the patch?
[09:39] <Laney> as you wish
[09:39] <seb128> pitti, no, it's ok, mostly mir and gtk+ but they are not that urgent
[09:39] <Laney> there are some other cases e.g. dep11-hints.yml
[09:40] <didrocks> Laney: can handle a small refactoring of this if you wish
[09:41] <seb128> pitti, btw, other topic ... could we have a cron job for xenial langpacks updates?
[09:41] <pitti> seb128: oh, do we have exports now? sure!
[09:41] * seb128 wants his new gedit translated :p
[09:41] <pitti> (I need to build the first one by hand, but that's simple)
[09:41] <pitti> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+language-packs :(
[09:41] <seb128> pitti, unsure, but translations are open
[09:41] <pitti> -> #u-devel
[09:41] <seb128> k
[09:50] <willcooke> seb128, did you see that Yorba went under? :(
[09:51] <seb128> willcooke, no, I didn't see, but I assumed they did since none of the projects are active and we didn't get a reply for the shotwell key issue since june
[09:51] <seb128> where did you read that?
[09:51] <davmor2> willcooke: aren't they the guys that do shotwell
[09:51] <willcooke> seb128, G+
[09:51] <willcooke> davmor2, exactly
[09:52] <willcooke> so worth having a quick discussion about Shotwell? I mean, nothing has changed for ages, so we could keep it and not expect any serious breakage. But might be worth thinking about a change of app?
[09:52] <willcooke> popey, ^^
[09:52] <davmor2> time to re-evaluate gphoto maybe
[09:54] <larsu> sad for them
[09:54] <larsu> but yeah, kind of expected
[09:59] <seb128> davmor2, gnome-photos I guess you mean?
[09:59] <seb128> we could, but changing in a LTS cycle...
[09:59] <seb128> and it's new GNOME style which doesn't fit well with our desktop
[09:59] <seb128> where shotwell is desktop style
[10:00] <davmor2> seb128: yeah thought it was gphoto but yes the gnome photos app
[10:00] <seb128> old school desktop*
[10:00] <willcooke> seb128, agreed. Sounds like a job for LTS+1 (to consider the alternatives)
[10:00] <seb128> also gnome-photos might depends on tracker or things we are not currently using (though I didn't look at it at all)
[10:00] <Laney> last I heard gnome photos didn't do importing from digital cameras yet
[10:00] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, also let's see if somebody picks shotwell up
[10:00] <darkxst> seb128, yes, I suspect gnome-photos uses tracker
[10:00] <Laney> or any photo editing
[10:01] <davmor2> willcooke: well by then we'll be unity8 based and have gallery right ;)
[10:02] <willcooke> davmor2, it's a possibility
[10:05] <seb128> I doubt it
[10:05] <seb128> they were talking about deprecating gallery
[10:06] <seb128> the camera app is having most of the features
[10:09] <popey> Hah!
[10:09] <popey> Gallery - Written by Yorba
[10:09] <seb128> yes
[10:10] <Laney> didrocks: huh, I forgot to reply to you?
[10:10] <Laney> didrocks: feel free to handle it if you are willing :)
[10:12] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, I was waiting for you to be back on that :)
[10:12] <didrocks> Laney: ok, will do that this afternoon
[10:12] <seb128> willcooke, do you have an url to that g+ post?
[10:12] <didrocks> seems ptyprocess needs a MIR
[10:13] <seb128> just curious, I'm probably not subscribed to the same people you are
[10:13] <Laney> didrocks: I at least typed something, must have deleted it :P
[10:13] <Laney> what is pytprocess?
[10:13] <willcooke> seb128, sure, one sec....
[10:13] <didrocks> ptyprocess*
[10:13] <didrocks> Laney: something used by pexpect to handle virtual shells
[10:14] <willcooke> https://goo.gl/SsAhv
[10:15] <seb128> thanks
[10:15] <seb128> lol
[10:15] <willcooke> https://plus.google.com/+NathanDyerdotMe/posts/67ts6ALTmTx
[10:15] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[10:15] <Laney> "AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
[10:16] * Laney closes that tab forever
[10:34] * robert_ancell -> sleep
[10:34] <willcooke> see you robert_ancell
[10:34] <robert_ancell> bye all
[10:56] <pitti> seb128, Laney: ok, 45 mins with IS later I now have lcy01 and 8 extra workers back; let's see how long they'll hold :)
[11:01] <Laney> pitti: good luck
[11:01] <Laney> I noticed they re-enabled some builders there which all died again
[11:01] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/builders <- lcy01-* Cleaning
[11:03] <pitti> Laney: yes, axino said he'd try to restart those and monitor
[11:04] <Laney> pitti: I mean that as a sign that it still wasn't stable at least earlier this morning
[11:04] <pitti> 11:54:58 axino | pitti: when they're all disabled, lcy01 tends to be stable
[11:04] <Laney> although maybe it is those that bring down the cloud and not the cloud itself being bad
[11:04] <pitti> "they" -> lcy01 buildds
[11:05] <Laney> what's the interesting difference between this and lgw01 that makes lgw01 reliable?
[11:11] <pitti> Laney: I have no idea
[11:12] <Laney> sort of rhetorical :)
[11:13] * Laney is tail -f log/lcy*.log
[11:13] <pitti> Laney: as long as you don't see "ERROR"s in nova list, things should be okay
[11:14] <Laney> nod
[11:14] <pitti> man, one of these days I need to figure out why some tests use the ugly instance names
[11:14] <pitti> seems the --name option doesn't get passed along properly in one case
[11:17] <darkxst> Laney, can you add gnome-builder to desktop-extra?
[11:18] <Laney> darkxst: if you mail devel-permissions
[11:19] <darkxst> Laney, kk
[11:19] <Laney> but aren't you getting that fixed in debian?
[11:19] <Laney> i.e. autosync
[11:22] <darkxst> Laney, yes, I am pushing the fixes through debian
[11:23] <darkxst> but its kinda crap when I have to wait on debian to fix FTBS etc
[11:24] <darkxst> (ones that only affect us)
[11:24] <Laney> get some sponsored uploads
[11:24] <Laney> then you can become DM
[11:25] <darkxst> Laney, who is going to sign my key?
[11:27] <Laney> one of these kind people https://wiki.debian.org/Keysigning/Offers#AU
[11:29] <darkxst> Laney, or I just come to the debian hackfest, if CC will sponsor it ;)
[11:30] <darkxst> ^ insert pkg-gnome
[11:31] <Laney> heh
[11:31] <Laney> when is that?
[11:32] <darkxst> no date set yet
[11:34] <Laney> which mailing list?
[11:34] <Laney> don't see one
[11:34] <Laney> just some irc the other day
[11:35] <darkxst> Laney, only irc, but it will happen sooner or later
[11:36] <darkxst> unless its like the git migration, that doesnt want to happen
[11:37] <Laney> that's one reason to have a sprint
[11:38] <darkxst> yep
[11:39] <darkxst> but then also must be a reason we don't have branches on alioth either ;)
[11:41] <Laney> the script is the hard part
[11:41] <Laney> ask tumbleweed
[11:48] <darkxst> Laney, I was alluding to the point that it should in theory be really simple to create packaging branches for ubuntu GNOME/gnome3 ppa's, but it still hasnt happened
[11:48] <Laney> oh right
[11:49] <Laney> it's going to be cool to be able to git merge
[11:49] * Laney does this for gstreamer already and it is g-r-e-a-t
[11:49] <darkxst> I already git merge everything, but major hacky, since not merging real commits
[11:50] <Laney> mmm
[11:53] <darkxst> works pretty well though, apart from the fact you have to resolve all conflicts before commiting
[11:55] <Laney> are you using rerere?
[11:55] <darkxst> gbp and a custom script that pulls in bzr packaging branches if available
[11:59] * darkxst really should sleep now, I meant to do that an hour ago
[11:59] <Laney> lxc -> xenial
[11:59] * Laney looks at dbus merge now
[12:23] * Laney loses utf8 sbuild on desktop too now :(
[12:38] <seb128> Laney, utf8 sbuild?
[12:39] <Laney> yeah it had nice output
[12:39] <Laney> now it's all ascii
[12:40] <seb128> :-(
[12:42] <Laney> hardly a big deal :P
[12:42] <seb128> yeah
[12:43] <seb128> oh, nice, gnome-desktop3 migrated, seems like autopkgtest backlog is getting smaller ;-)
[12:43] <Laney> gtk got some green too
[12:46] <seb128> nice
[12:47] <seb128> larsu, are you looking at the nautilus menubar thing or not yet? I'm trying to decide what I should do with the nautilus update, wait a bit/upload without menubar to start/...
[12:52] <didrocks> so, they cancel the light festival in Lyon…
[12:53] <seb128> they do?!
[12:53] <seb128> it's well in advance
[12:53] <didrocks> well, it's in less than a month
[12:54] <didrocks> like 2 weeks and a day
[12:54] <didrocks> so not that much in advance
[12:54] <didrocks> (on the contrary even, hotels are booked in general 6 months in advance)
[12:54] <larsu> seb128: does tomorrow work for you?
[12:55] <seb128> larsu, next week work as well, I just want an estimate if it's worth waiting or better to go without and do that later
[12:55] <larsu> seb128: ok. I'll do it tomorrow :)
[12:56] <seb128> larsu, danke
[12:56] <seb128> didrocks, right, I guess my comment was rather "it's probably not reacting to a particular plot they found but just being cautious/not wanting to risk it because it's difficult to secure a such event"
[12:57] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, basically they fear that some noise of explosion due to anything create panicks
[12:57] <seb128> pitti is going to need to come to your place again next year then!
[12:57] <pitti> en effect !
[12:57] <Laney> but the stollen!
[12:58] <seb128> double stollen!
[12:58] <seb128> one this year, one next :p
[12:58] <pitti> non, je vais toujour venir !
[12:58] <seb128> tu as raison
[13:01] <didrocks> ;)
[13:01] * didrocks hugs pitti
[13:14] <ricotz> attente, hi, is thr
[13:14] <ricotz> oop
[13:15] <ricotz> attente, hi, is there a current patch-set of mir for gtk+ git master?
[13:17] <attente> ricotz: for the ubuntu package? because it should be up-to-date as it hasn't had any activity in a while
[13:17] <ricotz> attente, I mean gtk+ git master doesnt compile against mir in xenial
[13:18] <attente> ricotz: i'll take a look
[13:19] <ricotz> ./gdk/mir/gdkmir-debug.c:106:36: warning: implicit declaration of function 'mir_touch_event_get_cookie' [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]
[13:21] <attente> ricotz: you'll probably have to build against mir trunk because that's new api
[13:22] <seb128> Laney, pitti, can you help me to understand http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ldb ? why aren't armhf/ppc64el trying for the current version?
[13:22] <ricotz> attente, hmm, I see
[13:22] <pitti> Laney, seb128: bug 1512779 -- ATM these need to be retried manually, sorry
[13:22] <desrt> good morning, fellow desktoply -inclined people
[13:23] <seb128> hey desrt!
[13:23] <Laney> urgh, look at the wrapping in that bug
[13:23] <pitti> seb128: let me retry all armhf/ppc64 failures wholesale, the qeueus are emtpy
[13:23] <seb128> pitti, danke
[13:23] <attente> ricotz: you can also just delete the line since it's just there for debugging purposes
[13:23] <pitti> well, not "empty", but "short"
[13:23] <Laney> note to self: never hard wrap when writing launchpad comments in the web UI
[13:24] <attente> ricotz: but afaik, it won't behave any differently than what's in the archive for xenial
[13:24] <seb128> Laney, nag the launchpad team to have them to display a wrapping line in the ui so if you want to do it manually you know where ;-)
[13:25] <Laney> I probably used vimperator and vipgq it
[13:25] <ricotz> attente, alright, will do that
[13:25] * Laney does some rebuilds for liburcu
[13:26] <Laney> it'll be annoying if things get blocked on this transition after the tests run :P
[13:27] <Laney> pitti: "OSError: [Errno 12] Cannot allocate memory" - erm?
[13:28] <pitti> wut?
[13:28] <Laney> failure just now
[13:28] <pitti> oh, bos01-ppc64el-9
[13:28] <pitti> Mem: 2050048 1912936 137112 1280 328800 624912
[13:28] <pitti> doesn't seem terrible
[13:29] <pitti> erk, wrong machine
[13:29] <pitti> Mem: 2050048 1975464 74584 1228 7524 84096
[13:29] <Laney> isn't that from the cloud worker?
[13:29] <pitti> still
[13:29] <pitti> Laney: yes, it is
[13:30] * pitti shrugs, let's see if it happens on more workers
[13:30] <pitti> lcy01 is still up -- scary!
[13:30] <pitti> it really seems it's the buildds OR autopkgtest, there's no AND there
[13:31] * Laney restarted it
[13:32] <Laney> cosmic rays
[13:49] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, we still get error reports for the unity-webapps-* migration scripts, didn't you put a landing up to drop those previous cycle?
[13:50] <kenvandine> seb128, i did, not sure if they landed
[13:50] * kenvandine checks
[13:52] <kenvandine> seb128, yes, silo 38
[13:52] <kenvandine> the branches are still awaiting review
[13:52] <seb128> kenvandine, can you nag someone?
[13:52] <seb128> dbarth?
[14:01] <Laney> seb128: can you look at NEW for ltt-control please?
[14:01] <Laney> I fake synced it from git, will block liburcu, mir, etc
[14:01] <seb128> Laney, ok
[14:01] <Laney> thanks
[14:01] <seb128> yw
[14:03] * Laney lunch
[14:03] <seb128> Laney, done
[14:03] <seb128> Laney, enjoy!
[14:22] <desrt> google impresses me
[14:22] <desrt> they actually managed to make google+ _more_ difficult to use
[14:23] <larsu> oh true this looks different
[14:23] <larsu> morning desrt
[14:23] <desrt> g' morning
[14:25] <seb128> less easy to read :-/
[14:25] <desrt> also less easy to do anything at all
[14:25] <desrt> ...and it was pretty bad to begin with
[14:25] <seb128> I'm not doing much with it out of browser through posts and reading sometimes comments
[14:25] <larsu> don't use it?
[14:25] <mdeslaur> I gather their goal is to make everyone leave before they shut it down
[14:26] <desrt> that's sort of the impression i got
[14:26] <desrt> people will be less upset that way
[14:27] <desrt> unfortunately, google+/hangouts use is more or less mandatory for ingress operations :(
[14:28] <larsu> "unfortunately" :P
[14:28] <willcooke> :D
[14:28] <desrt> i totally geeked out on the social aspects of this game
[14:29] <desrt> which unfortunately has dragged me into a world of G+ pain
[14:29] <larsu> isn't it just the account you need?
[14:31] <desrt> technically you don't need a G+ account at all -- just google login
[14:31] <desrt> but again, all the social aspects...
[14:31] <desrt> any kind of non-boring high-level play involves a fairly large amount of groupwork
[14:33] <desrt> a bit of it is kinda implicit "i see my team happens to be holding this territory, i'll help out" type stuff... but anything beyond that requires coordination
[14:33] <desrt> and since it's all hooked into the "G" ecosystem, this is the platform of choice for everything... G+ and hangouts
[14:34] <larsu> makes sense
[14:34] <larsu> everyone has a google account by definition
[14:34] <larsu> doesn't make sense to have another one
[14:35] <desrt> and it's just one simple click to "upgrade" to G+!
[14:47] * Sweet5hark is back from berlin.
[14:47] <Sweet5hark> Twas awesome.
[14:52] <qengho> Sweet5hark: what was in Berlin?
[14:54] <Sweet5hark> qengho: 2. open it summit by the greens and OSBA. lots of members of parliament asking how they can help open source/open data/etc.
[14:54] <qengho> Nice.
[14:59] <pitti> Laney: lgw workers dying> looks like orphaned instances, I'm cleaning up and restart
[15:35] <willcooke> didrocks, http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/11/ubuntu-15-10-review-wily-werewolf-leaves-scary-experimentation-for-next-year/
[15:36] <willcooke> didrocks, "If you're looking for a quick way to get, for example, a basic Android development environment setup, you'd be hard pressed to beat Ubuntu Make's simple umake android command."
[15:37] <didrocks> \o/
[15:39] <seb128> didrocks, well done!
[15:41] <didrocks> thx ;)
[15:41] <didrocks> happy that it's started to get noticed by the press
[15:41] <didrocks> (while I'm fighting pokfdpokfspodkfpods proxy on jenkins… not allowing me to access to localhost)
[16:00] <willcooke> erm, maybe larsu or seb128 - will we get the Google Drive integration from GNOME apps in 16.04?
[16:01] <seb128> willcooke, yes, the current gvfs has a backend for it
[16:02] <seb128> though unsure if that needs online account integration/is going to work with uoa
[16:02] <seb128> also somebody needs to merge gvfs with Debian
[16:02] <larsu> I think it does
[16:02] <seb128> but xnox just put his name on that by doing a rebuild ;-)
[16:02] <willcooke> lulz
[16:03] <larsu> haha
[16:03] <xnox> NOOOOOOO
[16:03] <larsu> welcome back xnox
[16:03] <Laney> swap with me for mdadm
[16:03] * Laney doesn't mind doing gvfs
[16:03] <Laney> but I definitely do mind merging mdadm
[16:03] <xnox> Laney, deal
[16:03] <Laney> thanks
[16:08] <seb128> Laney, xnox, thanks
[16:13] <willcooke> desktoppers: I'm going to swap some hours tomorrow morning. I'll be back around lunchtime. Telegram if you need anything
[16:13] <Laney> *anything*?
[16:13] <Laney> sudo make me a sandwich
[16:16] <willcooke> I'll go to subway, buy you a sandwich and put it in the pist
[16:16] <willcooke> *post
[16:16] <willcooke> no, wait, better idea
[16:17] <willcooke> muhaha
[16:19] <xnox> willcooke, justeat.co.uk do delivery might be easier to order it like that.
[16:20] <Laney> I'm off tomorrow, so I could be anywhere
[16:20] <Laney> drone delivery ought to be fine
[16:20] <Laney> as long as it's not delivering a hellfire missile
[16:22] <seb128> Laney, oh, enjoy the long w.e!
[16:22] <Laney> thanks!
[16:22] <Laney> this is one of the three days I had to use up :P
[16:23] * seb128 should look at the team calendar once a week
[16:23] <seb128> willcooke missed that one on the monday summary ;-)
[16:23] <Laney> nah, I booked it on monday
[16:23] <seb128> ah, ok
[16:23] <seb128> any plan for the day?
[16:23] <seb128> climbing?
[16:23] <Laney> bake a cake for rosie's birthday
[16:23] <seb128> day/w.e
[16:23] <seb128> ah, nice
[16:23] <Laney> I want to make one of those rainbow cakes
[16:23] <willcooke> yeah, I was thinking about that, perhaps move the email later in the day, or even to Tuesday
[16:23] <Laney> they are cool
[16:23] <seb128> take a picture for us :-)
[16:23] <Laney> and then climbing
[16:24] <willcooke> cake!
[16:24] <Laney> last time I made a cake it was a carrot cake
[16:24] <Laney> and was possibly the most disgusting thing I have ever created
[16:24] <Laney> I must have misread the scale on the measuring jug or something
[16:24] <Laney> *way* too much oil in it
[16:24] <willcooke> oh wait a moment
[16:24] <willcooke> xnox,
[16:24] <Laney> we ended up frying them
[16:24] <seb128> lol
[16:25] <willcooke> \o/
[16:25] <willcooke> wb xnox
[16:26] <xnox> tah
[16:26] <didrocks> climbing on the cake?
[16:26] * didrocks is confused :)
[16:26] <didrocks> terribly confused even
[16:26] <willcooke> Laney, fried cake... sounds ok. I could probably eat a fried cake
[16:26] <willcooke> thats pretty much a donut
[16:26] <didrocks> hum… donut
[16:29] <Laney> it wasn't so bad in that form
[16:30] <Laney> when it took about 4 hours to bake enough to fry...
[16:39] <qengho> Laney: carrot cake needs none of your help to be disgusting.
[16:39] <Laney> YOU TAKE THAT BACK
[16:39] <qengho> Carrot and coconut and raisins. All ways to ruin perfectly good baked goods.
[16:51] <desrt> qengho: +1 on the carrot, but you lost me after that
[16:52] <didrocks> willcooke: you got me interested in searching a little bit more recent articles, I see some like http://tuxdiary.com/2015/10/30/ubuntu-make/
[16:54] * willcooke reads
[16:54] <willcooke> nice!
[16:55] <didrocks> there are even some youtube videos on how to install <…> with Ubuntu Make
[16:55] <didrocks> funny :)
[16:55] <willcooke> awesome!
[17:24] <qengho> didrocks: But, how do we install Ubuntu Make?!?
[17:25] <didrocks> qengho: all is written on its wiki page :)
[17:26] <qengho> I have not installed a web browser yet.
[17:26] <didrocks> qengho: you never installed chrome? :p
[17:26] <didrocks> that explains! ;)
[17:26] <didrocks> (j/k)
[17:53] * qengho brblunch
[17:59] * didrocks waves good evening and good night
[17:59] <Laney> night didrocks
[17:59] <Laney> see you monday!
[18:00] <didrocks> Laney: enjoy your long week-end :)
[18:00] <Laney> thanks
[18:02] * Laney is off too, going to donate blood
[18:02] <Laney> laters!
[18:03] <seb128> Laney, good luck for that and for the baking, have a good w.e!
[20:41] <willcooke> g'night all - gonna be late tomorrow, prolly lunchtimeish
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[02:07] <jjfrv8> flocculant, I guess you'll see the panel testcase bug and merge proposal for revision.
[02:08] <jjfrv8> ochosi, xfpm 1.4.4 docs update ready for your review when you have a chance.
[07:45] <flocculant> jjfrv8: thanks :) I'll sort it out later today
[08:11] <flocculant> knome: is there are way to rename a wiki page? or just copy
[08:11] <flocculant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/FinalRelease/Xubuntu to /ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu
[08:16] <zequence> flocculant: It's in the menu, under "More Actions"
[08:17] <zequence> You won't see it while editing.
[08:18] <flocculant> zequence: I see that now
[08:19] <flocculant> however it tells me the page already exists - but it doesn't :(
[08:20] <zequence> Renaming usually works. Not sure why you are having problems
[08:22] * flocculant neither
[08:22] <flocculant> thanks for telling me though
[08:23] <flocculant> did it the other way for the moment
[08:42] <zequence> I was thinking maybe it had something to do with there not existing a page called /ReleaseNotes, but haven't tried that before. You were able to create a new page though?
[12:12] <knome> flocculant, as zequence said, renaming doesn't work when the target page has existed before; just copy-paste the page contents in the edit window over
[12:39] <flocculant> knome: ack - didn't know the why - dealt with it that way
[13:36] <jjfrv8> ochosi, re xfpm, thanks to the link on the Developer Area page of the website, I see that 1.5.2 is already upstream.
[13:38] <jjfrv8> ochosi, and of course it looks different. How do you want to handle that? Skip 1.4.4 altogether?
[15:39] <ochosi> jjfrv8: it does look a bit different, but it shouldn't be all-too different. since docs are versioned, we can leave 1.4 and 1.5 alongside each other in docs.xfce.org
[15:39] <ochosi> jjfrv8: also, 1.5 is a development release (stable releases are evenly numbered), so i guess we won't have it in 16.04
[15:39] <ochosi> (unless there's a 1.6 release in time)
[15:42] <jjfrv8> ochosi, ok, thanks. So if it looks like a new one will make it into 16.04, we can address it then. Not much would have to change with the text, just the screenshots.
[16:18] <flocculant> jjfrv8: thanks - all merged now
[19:12] <flocculant> pleia2: I got a mail in the newsletter queue re the IRC test session
[19:13] <pleia2> flocculant: cool, approved
[19:15] <flocculant> thanks :)
[19:16] <flocculant> don't really want to run it for 3 people :D
[19:22] <pleia2> I'd show up for support, but airplanes, as usual
[19:22] <flocculant> :)
[19:24] <knome> i can join and ask stupid questions
[19:24] <knome> :Ð
[19:24] <flocculant> :D
[19:25] <pleia2> I retweeted with comment too just now
[19:25] <flocculant> thanks pleia2 :)
[19:25] <pleia2> twitter web ui has gone all sideways
[19:25] <drc> flocculant: How many "confirmed and active" testers do you have now. My guess would be that 3 more folks willing to at least show up would be a 33%-50% improvement,
[19:25] <flocculant> wouldn't know
[19:26] <flocculant> drc: that would be a pretty accurate guess
[19:26] <knome> pleia2, retweeted your retweet with a comment
[19:26] <knome> but didn't comment on it...
[19:26] <pleia2> how meta
[19:26] <knome> (i'm sorry failing to be that silly)
[19:29] <flocculant> drc: the thing in this case being have 2 people hang about for maybe 3 people to show up - we could just as easily answer 3 mails to the list
[19:29] <flocculant> hence getting it on UWN etc
[19:37] <drc> OK...I was just wondering why, after cycles of QAL's complaining about not having enough testers, one would say "Sorry, we don't have enough people present for us to train".
[19:37] <drc> And with that I'll leave.
[19:39] <knome> hit and run, the usual strategy here.
[23:11] <krytarik> flocculant, knome, slickymaster: Please check and tell me if you're fine with the some additional changes I did to the contributor docs, particularly the QA Team page - alongside and incl. fixing DocBook syntax, reducing duplication of "Xubuntu", increasing consistency, and fixing typos: http://paste.openstack.org/show/cblQfn6zn9PQbmIIoAJp/
[23:12] <krytarik> (Other than that, and updating the translation templates, my MP is ready to go.)
[23:14] <krytarik> - the
[23:14] <knome> krytarik, the / in the "Mainly built ..." is intentional
[23:14] <knome> the long version should read:
[23:14] <knome> Mainly built for Xubuntu or almost only used by Xubuntu
[23:15] <knome> if we spell Bazaar in the title, then i'd like a note that we will be referring to it with Bzr (or make the title "Bazaar (Bzr)"
[23:15] <krytarik> I'd expand it to: "Mainly built for and [mainly] used by Xubuntu".
[23:16] <krytarik> Yeah, some note would be nice.
[23:16] <knome> "top directory" ?
[23:16] <krytarik> Yes.
[23:16] <knome> not "branch root directory"
[23:16] <knome> or sth
[23:17] <krytarik> Well, didn't want to duplicate "branch" there - had though.
[23:17] <knome> if you want to use top, make sure "root" isn't used anywhere else - i'm pretty sure i'm using that at least in one place
[23:17] <krytarik> Alright.
[23:17] <knome> "Translation Guidelines ..." -> "Translation guidelines ..."
[23:17] <knome> but
[23:18] <knome> "Working with testcases" -> "Working with Testcases"
[23:18] <knome> wut? :P
[23:18] <krytarik> Well, those are different parts of the docs. :P
[23:18] <knome> :P
[23:18] <krytarik> Didn't want to make all the same there, that is. :D
[23:18] <knome> aha..
[23:19] <krytarik> Basically, for one chapter it should be the same.
[23:19] <knome> in XSD, if "Xubuntu Community" -> "Community", then i think we should go further and change it to "Community Organization" or sth
[23:20] <knome> organization is bad, but maybe that gives you an idea what i'm thinking about
[23:20] <slickymaster> krytarik, why the extra line between the titles and the paragraphs?
[23:20] <krytarik> knome: "Structure" maybe?
[23:21] <krytarik> slickymaster: It's common for the docs, it seems.
[23:21] <knome> something like that
[23:21] <knome> slickymaster, that's what we've been doing
[23:22] <slickymaster> haven't noticed that yet, tbh
[23:22] <knome> krytarik, maybe, though the section isn't really talking much about the structure
[23:22] <krytarik> knome: "do the following in the branch root" - I think that can stay as is.
[23:22] <slickymaster> one other thing krytarik "...the QA team should keep watch on testing reports on the trackers..."
[23:23] <krytarik> knome: Yep, and I'm not convinced we should add anything there.
[23:23] <knome> slickymaster, always a blank line after </title>, </para>, </itemizedlist>, </note> etc. unless the next line is </section>, </chapter>, </appendix>
[23:23] <slickymaster> shouldn't be "...the QA team should keep a watch on testing reports on the trackers..."
[23:23] <knome> krytarik, no, definitely not add (but i should look at the wording on the users section, it's silly now
[23:23] <knome> it gives the impression that the xubuntu users only "organize" via the LP team
[23:24] <knome> which is far from the reality
[23:24] <krytarik> slickymaster: Yeah, wasn't particularly sure whether that's acceptable as is, or what else flocculant would prefer. :P
[23:24] <knome> it's probably the last thing our users use for organizing
[23:25] <slickymaster> add it before pushing your MP knome
[23:25] <slickymaster> sorry krytarik
[23:25] <knome> :P
[23:25] <slickymaster> damn autocompletion
[23:25] <knome> pebkac
[23:25] <krytarik> knome: Otoh, I only dropped "Xubuntu" there. :P
[23:26] <knome> krytarik, i know, but it felt better...
[23:26] <knome> :P
[23:26] <knome> or maybe the title was bad to begin with
[23:26] <krytarik> Hah, everything is always better with Xubuntu! :D
[23:26] <knome> except...nevermind
[23:27] <krytarik> slickymaster: Yeah, maybe just add an "a" there.
[23:28] <slickymaster> hmm why do you capitalized Testcases and went the other way around in guidelines, krytarik?
[23:28] <slickymaster> distraction?
[23:28] <knome> slickymaster, ffs, read the backlog?
[23:29] <knome> slickymaster, i literally JUST asked him about that
[23:29] <slickymaster> too tired
[23:29] <krytarik> knome: Oh, since you're referring to the branch root with what I just posted, and it's the intro to that list, we could as well not mention it again for the 'add' command.
[23:29] * knome slaps slickymaster
[23:29] <knome> krytarik, yeah, maybe :)
[23:29] <krytarik> Didn't notice it then, that is.
[23:30] <knome> i haven't been putting *too* much thought into any of it yet, tbh
[23:30] <knome> my intention has just been to increase the amount of content (well, with useful subjects)
[23:30] * slickymaster is way to tired to reab the backlog and is simpler if krytarik just answers
[23:30] <slickymaster> * read
[23:31] <krytarik> slickymaster: In short, different chapters, different consistency. :P
[23:31] <krytarik> Didn't want to change unnecessarily much, that is.
[23:31] <knome> krytarik, ultimately, shouldn't all chapters have the same rules/consistency?
[23:32] <krytarik> Yeah, but ↑. :P
[23:32] <slickymaster> also krytarik, "...about required testing, Testers..."
[23:32] <knome> i know, but it has to be done at some point :P
[23:32] <krytarik> I mean, it also looks rather weird with some headers.
[23:32] <slickymaster> is that intentional? I mean the capitalized T in testers
[23:32] <krytarik> Particularly the longer ones.
[23:33] <knome> yeah...
[23:33] <krytarik> slickymaster: Yes, referring to a group there.
[23:34] <knome> mmeh.
[23:34] <knome> we have "Xubuntu Developers" group too, but we aren't talking about Developers
[23:35] <knome> (if we're going this nitpicky road)
[23:35] <krytarik> knome: "When you have worked on a branch and want to push your changes to a branch, do the following in the branch root:" - heh, there is no "branch" duplication *at all* there! :P
[23:35] <knome> NO!
[23:35] <krytarik> lol
[23:36] <knome> When you have worked on your changes and want push them to a remote branch, do the following on the local branch root:
[23:36] <bluesabre> hi
[23:36] <knome> hello bluesabre
[23:36] <bluesabre> :D
[23:36] <bluesabre> whats up knome, krytarik ?
[23:36] <knome> north
[23:37] <krytarik> Yep, similar thought. :D
[23:37] <slickymaster> on my end I don't object to krytarik's wording
[23:37] <slickymaster> hey bluesabre
[23:37] <bluesabre> ooh and slickymaster
[23:38] <slickymaster> that is to mean that I'm fine with his chnages
[23:38] <krytarik> "Testers will get regular contact from us, but we should only, in general, call on Users at later stages." - particularly, it's also used to differentiate there.
[23:38] <knome> i would personally lowercase all mentions of Testers, Developers or whatever, even if they are referring to a group, as long as they make sense in lowercase
[23:38] <knome> eg. if we had a group called "Xubuntu Bulldozers", saying "bulldozers" would not make sense because it wouldn't be obvious if we were referring to the group or the machine :P
[23:39] <bluesabre> proper nouns
[23:39] <bluesabre> Xubuntu Testers != Xubuntu testers
[23:39] <knome> krytarik, in the case you mentioned, it might be better to open it up
[23:39] <knome> bluesabre, did you see my comment about Developers/developers before?
[23:39] <bluesabre> I see the one just above, yes
[23:40] <knome> :P
[23:47] <krytarik> slickymaster: Well, I've just gone with "should keep an eye on testing reports" - between the two. :P
[23:47] <krytarik> + now
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-nl
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[07:47] <Sammy_> iemand die me kan helpen om op de IRC van anonymous te geraken..
[07:49] <OerHeks> bestaat dat dan?
[07:50] <Sammy_> ja net gelezen ze hebben een gids gemaakt om IS online te bestrijden..
[07:52] <OerHeks> vraag maar in #freenode, of daar waar je dat gelezen hebt?
[07:53] <OerHeks> http://www.bing.com/search?q=anonymous+irc
[08:01] <Sammy_> #freenode
[08:01] <Sammy_> ???
[08:01] <Sammy_> hoe werkt dat dan Oerheks??
[08:02] <OerHeks> tiep: /join #freenode
[13:20] <Yasuni> Hoi iedereen, ik heb een probleem maar ik kom er even niet uit. Ik heb een ubuntu server 14.04.3 open een vmware exsi omgeving, maar na zoveel minuten ( random ) is er geen netwerk connectie meer. ik heb verschillende nic' s geprobeerd en vmware tools geinstalleerd maar helaas niks helpt. als ik sudo ifdown eth0 %% sudo ifup eth0 uitvoer werkt het internet weer voor een paar minuten.
[13:28] <lordievader> Klinkt alsof je dhcp lease verloopt.
[13:37] <Yasuni> de server heeft een static ip adress
[13:39] <Yasuni> zodra het probleem op speelt kan ik ook niet de gateway pingen, ik heb in de /var/log/syslog gekeken of ik daar iets kon vinden maar ik zie daar geen foutmeldingen staan.
[13:39] <lordievader> Hmm. Wat krijg je in je logs? (syslog, dmesg, etc)
[13:41] <Yasuni> in alle logs zie ik alleen de meldingen dat de netwerk kaart up komt zodra die geherstart is maar geen melding als ie stopt met werken.
[13:41] <lordievader> Ik zou wat gaan tcpdumpen op de host. Dan kun je controleren of dingen aankomen of niet.
[13:42] <Yasuni> Is goed ga ik dat even controleren.
[14:22] <Yasuni> Ik heb een tcpdump voor 10 minuten laten lopen, maar hij heeft 0 packages gecaptured. waar ik wel achter gekomen ben is als ik de command arp -a uitvoer, hij hier lang over doet en vervolgens wel enkele andere server kan vinden die kan ik dan ook pingen maar paar minuten later kan ik het weer niet.
[14:25] <Yasuni> nevermind tcpdump krijg ik wel packages binnen had een foutje gemaakt in de command, zodra ik de tcpdump uitvoer heb ik weer voor een paar minuten connectie. het lijkt wel of mijn netwerk kaart in soort van slaap modus gaat telkens..
[14:46] <lordievader> Ik denk eerder dat de host pakketten niet goed doorgeeft.
[14:59] <Yasuni> Ik heb de server verplaatst naar een andere ESXI host maar heeft het probleem niet verholpen.
[22:49] <TheEagerPadawan> hmmm -k be-nl meegegeven aan rdesktop, faalt op die te open en valt terug op en-us wat lichtjes irritant is als je gewent bent om een azerty toestenbord te bruiken
[22:49] <TheEagerPadawan> gebruiken*
[23:04] <TheEagerPadawan> setxkbmap solved it ;)
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-co
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[01:50] <ofprieto> hola naudy como esta
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:29.617358
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-us-mi
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[01:22] <n0p> cscheib: wrt Elk, consolidating application logs, exposing to customer support for deep diving, and potentially growing to replace the role kissmetrics is playing
[12:19] <cmaloney> orning
[12:21] <rick_h_> morning
[12:30] <rick_h_> cmaloney: your paper phase i just picked up a noteletts notebook to check out in conparison with my previous moleskin
[12:54] <cmaloney> I'm not in a paper phase. Sheesh! ;)
[12:55] <cmaloney> But that's cool
[13:01] <rick_h_> lol
[13:41] <jrwren> http://www.anewtradition.com/obituaries/obituary/12060_Charles_Alton_Forsberg
[13:51] <_stink_> while sad, that's a neat obituary.
[13:51] <cmaloney> I knew that name from somewhere, but had to look it up
[23:02] <jcastro> cmaloney: craig
[23:02] <jcastro> we're on R40 and R30 still feels like "the last new Rush album"
[23:02] <jcastro> has it really been 10 years?
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2015-11-19-#ubuntu-pt
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[04:04] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[22:01] <astroo-> ola pessoal
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-11-09-#ubuntu-ir
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[08:51] <abb4s> salam , kasi midoone chetor mitoonam phpStorm crack shode vase linux ro peida o nasb konam ?
[14:17] <ahmadreza> hello
[14:17] <ahmadreza> سلام
[14:17] <ahmadreza> خسته نباشید دوستان
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2015-11-09-#ubuntu-us-me
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[07:07] <kingtiger01> anyone currently active?
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