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[02:25] <difol> hi all
[02:25] <difol> I have issue with my ubuntu
[02:25] <difol> root@human:~# ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap
[02:25] <difol> DEPRECATED: Implicit 'touch' subcommand assumed
[02:25] <difol> 2015/06/17 10:21:59 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting
[02:25] <difol> 2015/06/17 10:21:59 Device is |mako|
[02:25] <difol> 2015/06/17 10:22:01 Flashing version 2 from devel channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device mako
[02:25] <difol> 2015/06/17 10:22:01 mkdir /root/.cache: permission denied
[02:26] <difol> anyone can help?
[02:28] <RAOF> difol: Why are you doing that as root?
[02:29] <difol> yes root
[02:30] <difol> why? cannot running on root?
[02:31] <RAOF> It's not necessary to run that command as root, and that might be a cause of your problem.
[02:31] <difol> I'll try.. thank you so much now is running
[04:25] <mowgli> I have some porting questions
[04:45] <ArchNET> hi
[04:46] <ArchNET> help me
[04:48] <ArchNET> im trying to configure windows server 2012 / dns server and active directory
[05:57] <fooloop> morning everyone :)
[05:57] <Sleep_Walker> morning
[05:57] <Sleep_Walker> fooloop: were you able to setup your WPA Enterprise already?
[05:58] <fooloop> no, sorry, just have a new job and also have to sort out stuff for my graduate programme, working > 40hrs a week as a result. :/
[05:59] <Sleep_Walker> heh, OK
[05:59] <fooloop> I have not even had time to do anything except some brief looking through the shell and the layout
[05:59] <fooloop> :/
[05:59] <Sleep_Walker> well, it is possible to create manually configuration
[06:00] <fooloop> using networkmnager or wpa_config?
[06:00] <Sleep_Walker> it took some time to find correct for maintly due to nonsensical messages of NetworkManager
[06:01] <Sleep_Walker> NM's configuration
[06:01] <fooloop> As long as no customers turn up I will be looking through docs :)
[06:01] <Sleep_Walker> grab your config on desktop and start with that :)
[06:01] <Sleep_Walker> and good luck
[06:01] <fooloop> :)
[06:01] <fooloop> thank you
[06:01] <Sleep_Walker> important message is that it _is_ possible :b
[06:02] <fooloop> :)
[06:03] <fooloop> I am just going to have to rtfm first, before I pretend to know what I am talking about haha
[06:20] <Sleep_Walker> just to be sure about CVE-2015-1328 - overlayfs is not used, right?
[06:20] <Sleep_Walker> I can't see it anywhere, kernel is old (but there still could be some backports)
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> popey: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-OTA-4-Update-Causes-Problems-Canonical-Apologizes-for-Issues-and-Promises-Fixes-484533.shtml
[06:57] * svij got his MX4 Ubuntu Edition \o/ https://plus.google.com/u/0/+SujeevanVijayakumaran/posts/bubZ6KggMFX
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> svij: wow nice!!
[06:58] <DonkeyHotei> svij: are you in china?
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> svij: where did you bought it from??
[06:59] <svij> I'm one of those insiders and got it from Canonical
[06:59] <svij> and no, I'm in Germany.
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> svij: great!!
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> svij: hows the overall speed?
[07:03] <svij> lotuspsychje: definitly faster than the bq, most importantly the app launches are faster
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> svij: does the scopes lag on start?
[07:06] <lotuspsychje> svij: on my nexus when i start, a few second 'scopes' loading show with little lag
[07:09] <svij> lotuspsychje: doesn't seem to be too slow (or as slow as on the bq), but I didn't setup any online account
[07:10] <lotuspsychje> svij: ok keep us up to date :p
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> dholbach: hello mate
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> dholbach: * svij got his MX4 Ubuntu Edition \o/ https://plus.google.com/u/0/+SujeevanVijayakumaran/posts/bubZ6KggMFX
[07:16] <dholbach> hey lotuspsychje
[07:16] <dholbach> svij, that's awesome! :-D
[07:18] <svij> hey dholbach and yes, definitely
[07:18] <dholbach> :-D
[07:19] <svij> went down to the other floor at work to get bananas and found my phone… I should often get bananas *and* a new phone. :P
[07:19] <dholbach> haha
[07:21] <popey> svij: blimey, that was quick
[07:23] <svij> popey: yeah, I didn't expected it THAT early.
[07:43] <svij> the screen of the MX4 is great
[07:43] <popey> yeah
[07:43] <popey> it's a quick phone too
[07:44] <SturmFlut> Got mine too! This courier service Canonical is using is incredible
[07:44] <svij> and the camera seems to be great too.
[07:44] * svij waits for the next "its-compiling!11" (https://xkcd.com/303/) to set up the phone properly.
[07:45] <svij> SturmFlut: +1
[07:49] <SturmFlut> https://plus.google.com/102486542947898431342/posts/9GD5Guddo4g
[07:50] <SturmFlut> I need better lighting, the pictures aren't great
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> SturmFlut: nice unboxing pics
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> SturmFlut: you should be the first making an onboxing movie on youtube :p
[07:51] <svij> SturmFlut: yeah, same here. And I didn't bring my DSLR, didn't expect that it would come today.
[07:51] <SturmFlut> lotuspsychje: I *really* suck at videos. There will be a nice unboxing article instead
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> the best surprise
[07:51] <svij> unboxing videos are boring
[07:51] <svij> but I'll make a "hands on/first impression" video probably
[07:57] <justCarakas> Hello
[07:58] <justCarakas> can anybody help me, I have a nexus 4 bbut I am still on r19 and it keeps saying my software is up to date
[07:59] <seb128> justCarakas, what channel are you on?
[08:00] <justCarakas> ow
[08:00] <justCarakas> thx
[08:00] <justCarakas> I tought I was on stable
[08:00] <justCarakas> but I am aparently on Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn (development branch)
[08:00] <justCarakas> seb128: anyway I can switch to stable without loosing my data ?
[08:01] <seb128> justCarakas, that's not a channel
[08:02] <justCarakas> that is what I get with ubuntu build description
[08:02] <justCarakas> where can I find the channel ,
[08:02] <popey> adb shell system-image-cli --info
[08:04] <justCarakas> it says stable
[08:04] <justCarakas> popey: ^
[08:04] <popey> whats the full output?
[08:04] <popey> maybe pastebin it?
[08:07] <justCarakas> hmm anyway I can past it somewhere from my phone ? if I wanne past on a text arya I only get copy
[08:07] <popey> what's the full line for channel?
[08:08] <justCarakas> channel: stable
[08:08] <justCarakas> alias: ubuntu-touch/ubuntu-rtm/14.09
[08:08] <justCarakas> version version 19
[08:09] <justCarakas> version ubuntu 20150508
[08:09] <justCarakas> version devise 20150116
[08:09] <justCarakas> version custom: mako-1.1
[08:09] <popey> k
[08:09] <popey> thats it.
[08:09] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11729339/ is the list of channels for mako
[08:09] <popey> maybe you want ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu ?
[08:10] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Channels
[08:10] <seb128> has descriptions of the channels
[08:10] <seb128> you probably want ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu?
[08:11] <justCarakas> can I switch without loosing all my data ?
[08:11] <justCarakas> and apps ?
[08:12] <justCarakas> popey: I use it as my everyday phone, so would it be too "dangerous" to use devel ?
[08:13] <popey> you can switch, yes
[08:18] <popey> dunno how reliable it is as I dont have that device running that channel
[08:18] <SturmFlut> I don't have the guts to take the screen protection off that MX4 :/
[08:18] <justCarakas> so if I want to play it safe ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu is the best option
[08:22] <davmor2> justCarakas: if you want the latest stuff and more reliable to boot you might be better off with rc-proposed
[08:23] <justCarakas> davmor2 is there a command I can execute on my phone in the terminal app to switch
[08:25] <davmor2> justCarakas: yes :) Next you'll be wanting to know what it is won't you :) sudo system-image-cli --switch <channel you want> eg ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en to get back to stable
[08:28] <justCarakas> hehe thx :)
[08:36] <SturmFlut> The pre-order phase for the Aquaris E5 is over!
[08:43] <nhaines> popey: what channel would you suggest for flo if I basically want ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed ?
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: im running flow on devel-proposed real smooth
[08:48] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: that's wily though. I want to test the shell rotation bits.
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: recent update got my nexus7 in landscape mode also, (if thats what you mean)
[08:50] <nhaines> lotuspsychje: what update? Because r225 doesn't have it.
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> lemme check holdon
[08:51] <popey> yeah, i wouldn't use wily
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: im on r226 15.10 nexus7 devel-proposed
[08:53] <nhaines> popey: I'd rather not, although MultiROM Manager doesn't give me a different option. I'm trying to switch to a different channel. Any suggestions?
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> updating to r227
[08:54] <popey> right, anything but wily / 15.10
[08:54] <nhaines> So ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer looks good but it doesn't want to switch over. Something about an error.
[08:56] <popey> ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu is 15.04, right?
[08:57] <nhaines> Not anymore, I believe. Let me check.
[08:58] <nhaines> channel: ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu
[08:59] <nhaines> lsb_release -a gives wily.
[08:59] <popey> yeah, thats proposed though
[08:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Eat Your Vegetables Day!
[09:00] <nhaines> Well, I can only install devel or devel-proposed. Right now it's -proposed. devel only have r1 and r2.
[09:00] <davmor2> popey: devel is 15.10
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> someone said last time devel-proposed was best channel for n7 last time
[09:00] <davmor2> popey: rc is 15.04
[09:01] <popey> ah
[09:03] <nhaines> Well at least the rotatey bits are in. But it's not much use if I can't file bugs against.
[09:11] <popey> nhaines: why can't you file bugs?
[09:12] <nhaines> popey: against wily?
[09:12] <Walex> SturmFlut: "I don't have the guts to take the screen protection off that MX4 :/" you may want then a case made of transparent lead titanate to protect it :-)
[09:12] <nhaines> Walex: obviously it shuold be transparent aluminum. :)
[09:13] <Walex> nhaines: not tough enough :-)
[09:13] <SturmFlut> Walex, nhaines: I shall only accept a case made of Unobtainium
[09:13] <Walex> nhaines: lead titanate is actually transparent
[09:13] <nhaines> SturmFlut: don't miss the flash sale. :)
[09:13] <Walex> I added "transparent" because it is not quite obvious that an alloy of lead and titanium is transparent.
[09:14] * Walex not sure it is an alloy, it may be a chemical compound
[09:14] * Walex oops
[09:18] <ultimatetux> Any idea why after doing `~/project-rootstock-ng/rootstock-touch-install wily-preinstalled-touch-armhf.tar.gz system.img` I still see my Ubuntu Touch version as 15.04r2 ?!!!!
[09:18] <ogra_> nhaines, why do you run wily ? the same rorartion bits landed in vivid too
[09:19] <ogra_> nobody should *use* wily ... (except for developers to verify their packages)
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: so, what would be the best channel for nexus7 flo then?
[09:20] <ogra_> rc-proposed or rc ...
[09:20] <nhaines> ogra_: because devel-proposed got switched out to wiki from under me. :)
[09:21] <SturmFlut> The display of the MX4 appears so gigantic, even though it's just 0.4" larger than the Nexus 5
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: you sure rc-proposed got tablet support also right?
[09:21] <ogra_> SturmFlut, yeah, the display and the camera are the lovely bits ;)
[09:21] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: last thing someone said devel-proposed was best image
[09:21] <nhaines> Anyway, my only two options are devel/ubuntu and devel-proposed/ubuntu. So that's not fun. And I can't seem to switch to a different channel either.
[09:22] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, i see flo at http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu/
[09:22] <popey> nhaines: yes, i see non reason not to file bugs against wily that exist in wily
[09:22] <ogra_> yeah, you can indeed file bugs
[09:22] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: ok ill test it soon tnx!
[09:23] <ogra_> nhaines, i dont understand ... we have images for all devices in the community channels in rc and rc-proposed
[09:24] <nhaines> I'm rebooting back into wily and I'll turn on developer mode and paste some error messages.
[09:25] <ogra_> nhaines, when i say dont use wily i mean that it doesnt get any QA, it can break any time underneath you and will only see fixes after the fact ... (nobody tests these images *before* they go out) ... if you file bugs against wily someone with a vivid device can confirm them
[09:25] <nhaines> ogra_: I'd rather just use vivid-proposed. :)
[09:25] <ogra_> well, then switch to the rc-proposed channel
[09:25] <ogra_> (or make Tassadar switch his server if he doesnt offer that yet)
[09:26] * nhaines sighs. :)
[09:27] <mr-test> hi
[09:28] <popey> hello
[09:29] <nhaines> ogra_: should I in theory be able to run system-image-cli and switch from devel-proposed to rc-proposed?
[09:30] <mr-test> how can one disable the search suggestions in the ubuntu touch browser?
[09:30] <ogra_> nhaines, yes
[09:30] <ogra_> (with the --switch option obviously ;) )
[09:32] <nhaines> ogra_: sudo system-image-cli --switch ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu gives:
[09:32] <nhaines> Exception occurred during update; see log file for details
[09:32] <ogra_> ouch
[09:33] <ogra_> reboot (to make sure the dbus backend service is gone) and run it with -vvv again to capture errors
[09:34] <nhaines> ogra_: this makes me sad because I'm typing everything in on the onscreen keyboard because I can't set a passcode and turn on developer mode. :P But I shall find my OTG cable while it is rebooting.
[09:35] <ogra_> oh, why cant you set a passcode ?
[09:36] <popey> bug, has been mentioned previously
[09:36] <ogra_> ah
[09:36] <nhaines> ogra_: technically I can, but entry is broken in wily.
[09:36] * ogra_ missed that
[09:36] <ogra_> (or forgot ...)
[09:36] <nhaines> At the very least, wily does look very PC-like on my tablet, and that's exciting. :)
[09:37] <nhaines> Also I can select text in the Terminal app with the mouse, which is exciting.
[09:38] <nhaines> And if I had a mouse pointer it'd even be useful. ;)
[09:38] <nhaines> ogra_: where does the -vvv go in the system-image-cli command, please?
[09:40] <nhaines> Putting it first. That seemed to work.
[09:41] <ogra_> yeah, i dont think it cares :)
[09:42] <SturmFlut> ogra_: The MX4 camera is actually very good. It's not as good as my DSLR, but it seems to be good enough for all those occasions when I am too lazy to haul all the "real" equipment around
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: is this the one? ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu-developer
[09:42] <nhaines> ogra_: http://i.imgur.com/crNXrVz.png
[09:46] <popey> nhaines: you can seleect text in terminal with your finger too :)
[09:47] <ogra_> the sensor is just awesome (the lens could indeed be better)
[09:47] <ogra_> thats the channel with extra developer tools
[09:47] <ogra_> ubuntu is the "normal" community channel
[09:47] <nhaines> popey: you mean like a peasant? :)
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: so rc-proposed for flo then
[09:48] <SturmFlut> ogra_: https://plus.google.com/102486542947898431342/posts/YNq5sV2RMFR
[09:48] <ogra_> nhaines, it looks like confinement gets in your way here ...
[09:48] <nhaines> ogra_: oh, that's sneaky!
[09:48] <ogra_> the terminal isnt fully unconfined ...
[09:49] <nhaines> SturmFlut: that's quite a lovely difference! Even resolution aside.
[09:49] <ogra_> and it seems system-image tries to download into the application dir
[09:49] <asad> hi
[09:49] <Guest95092> just installed ubuntu 14.04 on my dell 7348 notebook that also has a touchpad
[09:49] <Guest95092> and a touchscreen
[09:50] <ogra_> nhaines, android-gadget-service enable ssh; ssh localhost ... then run s-i-c again
[09:50] <Guest95092> and the touchpad is not working
[09:50] <Guest95092> please help?
[09:50] <ogra_> that gets you an unconfined shell
[09:50] <nhaines> ogra_: <3
[09:50] <ogra_> Guest95092, you want #ubuntu ... thish channel is for phones :)
[09:50] <ogra_> *this
[09:50] <SturmFlut> nhaines: The resolution is about the same, 24 vs 20.7 megapixels. I have the feelling that the MX4 could do even better if the compression level was tuned a bit better
[09:51] <SturmFlut> nhaines: (and I used the JPEG output from the DSLR, the RAW image is even better)
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: 2015/06/17 11:51:51 Flashing version 162 from ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu channel and server https://system-image.ubuntu.com to device flo
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> running
[09:52] <ogra_> cool
[09:53] <faenil> ogra_: can you elaborate more on this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1465331/comments/1
[09:53] <faenil> I could not understand what you mean there
[09:53] <SturmFlut> Would it be possible to give the Ubuntu phone a RAW mode? Does the system even get access to the raw sensor data?
[09:53] <nhaines> ogra_: hmm, I think I got the same error. :(
[09:54] <ogra_> with the same weird terminal app path at the top ?
[09:55] <nhaines> ogra_: I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary. Which line in the image has the weird path?
[09:58] <nhaines> Is it the "running state machine" message?
[09:58] <ogra_> nhaines, the first five lines show a very weird download path in your shot
[09:59] <ogra_> something with "terminal app" in it
[10:00] <ogra_> /com/canonical/applications...
[10:00] <nhaines> That's the same.
[10:01] <nhaines> Hrm. Now I try again and "ssh localhost" prints "Permission denied (publickey)."
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: rc-proposed 15.04 r162 up n running, all smoooth tnx alot!
[10:05] <nhaines> Okay, fixed.
[10:05] <nhaines> Even though /com/canonical etc didn't go away. :)
[10:05] <nhaines> No crashing now though.
[10:07] <nhaines> http://i.imgur.com/e6rtpQw.png
[10:07] <SturmFlut> Yay, the first time I see a "4G" symbol on an Ubuntu phone!
[10:08] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, awesome !
[10:08] <ogra_> SturmFlut, you'll get used to it :)
[10:08] <ogra_> nhaines, that looks good
[10:12] <nhaines> ogra_: now the long wait! But I expect things to go well from here on out. Thanks so much for the patient help. :)
[10:12] <popey> SturmFlut: :)
[10:20] <joaojotta> Hello guys
[10:21] <ultimatetux> rootstock-touch-install is stuck at `unpacking rootfs tarball to system-image ...` for ages now
[10:21] <ultimatetux> how long should it normally take?
[10:21] <joaojotta> Any one know where I can get a better model than the BQ Aquaris 4.5 in Europe?
[10:22] <joaojotta> Can't be bigger than 4.5 inch. I find 4 inch big enough already.
[10:22] <ultimatetux> ogra_, any idea? :)
[10:24] <ogra_> ultimatetux, i havent used that tool in ... hmm ... probably 2 years ... but iirc it can take 15-20min
[10:24] <ultimatetux> ogra_, hmmm... what do you usually do?
[10:24] <ultimatetux> ogra_, I mean to populate the device with the system.img and the ubuntu base!
[10:25] <ogra_> it unpacks a 2GB image ...
[10:25] <ogra_> then dumps the system.img in the right place
[10:25] <nhaines> ogra_: well, the upgrade is working... now to just hope it's overwriting the correct files. :)
[10:25] <ogra_> nhaines, it will, no worries :)
[10:27] <ultimatetux> ogra_, no, I mean what do *you* usually do to populate the system :)
[10:28] <ogra_> me ? i use ubuntu-device-flash until OTA works on a new device :)
[10:28] <ogra_> and from then on i only OTA
[10:29] <nhaines> ogra_: Android booted just fine, and rebooting into Ubuntu, that's now showing 15.04 (r162) so that booted just fine too. :D
[10:29] <ogra_> nhaines, awesome !
[10:30] <nhaines> Shell rotation is still working nicely. Now if only there was more fun convergence stuff to play with! :)
[10:30] <nhaines> But this will do quite well.
[10:31] <ultimatetux> ogra_, ah I used that when installing from 3rd party repos however it can't install from a local image, no?!
[10:31] <ogra_> you need to turn your system.img into a device tarball ... just grab one from the system-image server to inspect the structure and build your own
[10:32] <ultimatetux> ogra_, hmmm
[10:32] <ultimatetux> ogra_, will do that now
[10:32] <ultimatetux> ogra_, though no documentation right?! as usual :D
[10:33] <ogra_> yeah
[10:33] <ogra_> well, there surely is some but i dont know where ::)
[10:34] <nhaines> Now I just have to see if I can convince Tassadar to update his channels for the N5. :)
[10:34] <nhaines> Also N7.
[10:35] <ogra_> yeah, you should ... defsaulting to wily isnt such a good idea
[10:53] <dropp> Hi, can someone tell me where the PopupUtils.close() function is documented? Thanks!
[10:53] <ogra_> dropp, try #ubuntu-app-devel there are more app people :)
[10:54] <dropp> ok thanks!
[10:57] <brobostigon> question, do the webapps keep running in the background after being opened?
[10:59] <ogra_> no
[10:59] <ogra_> no app keeps running, as soon as they get out of focus they are stopped
[11:00] <ogra_> (there are sevices that apps can use that keep running ... i.e. media-hub for playing music even if the app is stopped )
[11:00] <brobostigon> thats helpful, so i could create a service that does the backgorund job?
[11:01] <brobostigon> and then just a gui frontend.
[11:01] <ogra_> no, you need to use a service the system provides
[11:01] <ogra_> your app cant ship them
[11:01] <brobostigon> ok,
[11:01] <ogra_> it can only interface with them
[11:02] <brobostigon> i see.
[11:02] <mr-test> ogra_: and if there's no system service providing what one needs?
[11:02] <ogra_> (for security and battery usage reasons)
[11:03] <DonkeyHotei> mr-test: then the app cannot run on the phone
[11:03] <ogra_> mr-test, then you file a bug asking for the service ... or implement it in a proper way and offer it for inclusion (and that proper way would have to be discussed with the system architects)
[11:04] <DonkeyHotei> this is why for example a native irc client is not possible
[11:04] <mr-test> ogra_: not good imho.. this might bloat utouch because you need a service for everything. also makes coding harder. :/
[11:05] <mr-test> and it may take quite some time (if ever) until all necessary services are included
[11:05] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, not true ... someone just needs to develop a telepathy IRC backend ... nobody did yet
[11:06] <ogra_> mr-test, sure, it takes longer ... but its not different to i.e. IOS
[11:06] <DonkeyHotei> there is an irc backend for telepathy on the desktop
[11:06] <mr-test> sacrificing app compatibilty for battery life is not the best move imho :/
[11:07] * brobostigon did just find telepathy-gabble on ubuntu touch with apt-cache.
[11:07] <mr-test> ogra_: yep it also sucks in ios imho
[11:07] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, right, make it work on the phone, implement the necessary QML bits so apps can make use of it via the SDK and it should work
[11:07] <DonkeyHotei> i always thought that was one of the biggest problems with ios
[11:07] <ogra_> mr-test, if you want to maintain the security and battery usage level we have, there is not much you can do to work around this
[11:08] <mr-test> even firefox os runs apps in background(some at least) and it doesn't drain battery so quickly
[11:08] <ogra_> ah, that is why it took off so successfully :P
[11:08] <mr-test> ogra_: let the user decide what he wants. popup and ask if he wants an app to allow running in background
[11:08] <brobostigon> it depends on the design of those things as well,
[11:09] <ogra_> mr-test, dont discuss with me :) i'm just the messenger, i didnt design that setup ... if you want to discuss it, try the mailing list
[11:09] <mr-test> ogra_: the lack of apps made fxos "unsuccessful" imho, not the background apps imho
[11:09] <brobostigon> on android, facebook is a great example. it sucks battery like a fish sucks water, its horrendous.
[11:09] <ogra_> lol
[11:09] <ogra_> right, the lack of apps ... not that fact that its performing close to unusable
[11:09] <mr-test> brobostigon: as i said: let the user decide
[11:10] <brobostigon> mr-test: however it could also be much better designed, to behave better as well.
[11:10] <ogra_> well, once the phoone moved to snappy you might be able to work a bit more flexible with shipping framework snaps and the like
[11:10] <mr-test> ogra_: it performs ok imho, apps launch almost instantly, only the animations are laggy
[11:10] <ogra_> i doubt for the current phone the design will be changed much anymore
[11:11] <ogra_> (since that will be replaced)
[11:11] <mr-test> ogra_: "current phone)
[11:11] <mr-test> ?
[11:11] <ogra_> mr-test, well, i had the alcatel one in my hands and it was definitely not usable as daily driver
[11:11] <mr-test> the e4.5 you mean?
[11:11] <ogra_> mr-test, the current software
[11:12] <mr-test> ogra_: dualcore cpu? ram?
[11:12] <ogra_> ?
[11:12] <mr-test> ogra_: what specs had that alcatel phone? and what fxos version?
[11:12] <ogra_> dunno, it was their first phone
[11:12] <DonkeyHotei> i thought the zte was the first
[11:12] <mr-test> ogra_: by replaced, you mean wily + snappy apps?
[11:12] <ogra_> scrolling through their app store was a slideshow
[11:13] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, hmm, i thought it was from alcatel ... i might be wrong
[11:13] <mr-test> ogra_: try a better phone with dualcore cpu and 512mb ram. runs very good imho
[11:13] <ogra_> but it was fatser HW than they actually had targeted
[11:13] <ogra_> *faster
[11:14] <ogra_> mr-test, their target HW was feature üphones for $50 or some such ... that hing was even way beyond that
[11:14] <ogra_> anyway ... this is not #firefoxos
[11:14] <ogra_> and i havent used any recent version ...
[11:15] <DonkeyHotei> what does sailfish do?
[11:15] <mr-test> ogra_: give the emulator a try then. it's a simple firefox plugin if you want to test at reasonable speed/version
[11:15] <ogra_> (but i was massively disappointed back then, i had an andrid G1 iin my hands about 6 months before that went on sale and it was awesome compared to that)
[11:15] <svij> for those who are interested in the camera of the meizu MX4. I've made some photos → https://plus.google.com/+SujeevanVijayakumaran/posts/EZZhHASSQwm
[11:15] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, live fine in its niche :)
[11:16] <ogra_> sailfsh has found its audience and it is apparently enough to keep them running ... they are not aiming for mass market as i understand it
[11:16] <mr-test> ogra_: i think fxos doesn't run as well on such lowend devices as mozilla targeted. with enough ram/cpu it runs quite nice imho
[11:16] <DonkeyHotei> i tried sailfish on the n5 and absolutely could not figure out how to answer a call
[11:16] <ogra_> haha
[11:17] <ogra_> yeah, i find the UX also very confusing ...
[11:17] <brobostigon> swipe downwards, :)
[11:17] <ogra_> but it is fast and snappy beyond that ... and a pretty stable system
[11:17] * brobostigon likes sailfish as well.
[11:17] <DonkeyHotei> i swiped downwards and it declined the call. three times.
[11:17] <brobostigon> and i happen to like its ux.
[11:17] <brobostigon> odd.
[11:18] <mr-test> ogra_: anyway, about that replacing of current software. what do you mean by that? -> wily+snappy apps instead of deb?
[11:18] * ogra_ lies ubuntus UX more ... but i'm a wee bit biased :)
[11:18] <ogra_> mr-test, a snappy base instead of what we have now ...
[11:18] <ogra_> and yes, no more debs but snaps
[11:19] <DonkeyHotei> then there is tizen, which is preloaded on a phone sold in india
[11:19] <ogra_> (and no more click packages either ... they will be turned into snaps)
[11:19] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, and is as old as me :P
[11:20] <mr-test> ogra_: and the stopping of apps might be changed there?
[11:20] <justCarakas> davmor2 I just tried the command to switch channels but it doesn't seem to do anything
[11:20] <ogra_> (well, not really, but tizen is close to ten years old already (under different names) .... was about time they finally release *something*)
[11:20] <DonkeyHotei> you're 60ish iirc
[11:20] <ogra_> justCarakas, no, but the ability to install frameworks might be added
[11:20] <davmor2> justCarakas: you just need to let it run, it doesn't display anything currently
[11:20] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, lol ...
[11:23] <justCarakas> ok
[11:24] <ogra_> justCarakas, you should have used -v ... then it has output
[11:24] <mr-test> ogra_: will the complete current ubuntu repositories be available as snappy apps?
[11:24] <ogra_> mr-test, i doubt that
[11:25] <ogra_> but yoou will be able to rolll your project into a snap with a tool that makes use of the binary debs
[11:25] <mr-test> ogra_: is it possible to create a snappy app from deb packages(without recompliing)?
[11:25] <mr-test> ah alright :)
[11:25] <ogra_> snaps are bundles of projects, not single apps usually
[11:25] <justCarakas> davmor2: orga_ can it hurt that I had entered the command again because I tought it hadn't done anything ?
[11:25] <justCarakas> or will it just restart
[11:25] <ogra_> so you can just translate deb to snap (that wouldnt make any sense then)
[11:25] <mr-test> ogra_: can i install an xorg app as a snappy app on utouch then?
[11:26] <ogra_> justCarakas, it should just restart
[11:26] <mr-test> and run via xmir
[11:26] <ogra_> yes
[11:26] <ogra_> if there is a snap for it in the store ...
[11:26] <ogra_> (else you would have to snap it up yourself first)
[11:26] <mr-test> ogra_: named?
[11:26] <davmor2> justCarakas: I think it just starts from scratch
[11:26] <ogra_> ?
[11:27] <mr-test> ogra_: what snap is in the store already?
[11:27] <mr-test> ah sry misread
[11:28] <ogra_> the focus for current snappy is still headless ... so there are no snaps for GUI apps yet
[11:28] <ogra_> once there are desktop and phone images based on snappy that will change quickly i guess
[11:29] <justCarakas> davmor2: I restarted it with -v to be sure it was doing something, and it gives an error AssertionError: Missing destination files: ['/var/lib/system-image/keyring.tar.gz', '/var/lib/system-image/keyring.tar.gz.asc']
[11:30] <davmor2> justCarakas: no idea on that
[11:30] <ogra_> justCarakas, if you stopped it you dont stop the backend dbus service, just the user frontend ...
[11:30] <ogra_> it needs 10-15min to time out
[11:31] * ogra_ usually just reboots to make sure the backend is gone)
[11:31] <justCarakas> okey
[11:31] <justCarakas> was already rebooting :p
[11:31] <SturmFlut> I already love the "Home" button on the MX4
[11:32] <svij> SturmFlut: me too
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> yeah yeah makes us jaleous!!
[11:32] * ogra_ hates it with passion
[11:33] <justCarakas> is there a benefit to choose ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en over ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[11:33] <justCarakas> ? would I then get the faster gps fix and stuff ?
[11:33] <justCarakas> i have a mako btw
[11:33] <svij> ogra_: why?
[11:33] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Why, it doesn't waste any space, and pressing it is much faster than swiping completely from the left
[11:34] <ogra_> svij, it gets in my way it sits in an awkward place ... using the phone in landscape makes me often unconditionally press it etc etc
[11:34] <ogra_> imho it should have been disabled completely ... only keeping the LED functional
[11:35] <ogra_> SturmFlut, yes, pressing iit if you actually like to go to the home scope is fine ... i rarely use the home scope at all though ...
[11:35] <ogra_> and i tend to unconditionally trigger it when holding the phone ...
[11:35] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Ah, yeah, I can understand that
[11:36] <ogra_> so in the middle of the article i read it suddenly jumps to the home screen
[11:36] <ogra_> our UX is designed for buttonless devices ... i wish we had kept it that way ...
[11:36] <SturmFlut> ogra_: being able to change the function of such hardware buttons might be a good wishlist bug
[11:37] <ogra_> haha
[11:37] <ogra_> yeah
[11:37] <ogra_> (if it was only that easy to change)
[11:37] <ogra_> iirc you need to hack the kernel for this ... or at least something in the device targball
[11:38] <justCarakas> orga_ I restarted the phone and still get the same error
[11:38] * ogra_ looks forward to the MX4 using a proper resolution so it doesnt look like a kids toy with palm sized buttons
[11:39] <davmor2> I likes the big buttons they fit my thumb perfectly :P
[11:39] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Hm, but at some point the hardware button press is passed to Unity8, which will then switch to the Home Scope. Surely this last step can be changed without too much hassle?
[11:40] <ogra_> it is just a kbd event ... "Super_L" i think
[11:40] <davmor2> SturmFlut: no it's like a upstart job it say on key press do this
[11:41] <ogra_> so yeah, you most likely can hack unity8 to do something else
[11:41] <justCarakas> davmor2: but cant you make upstart then call a function that checks what action it should do ?
[11:41] <ogra_> davmor2, i think it is actually unity ...
[11:41] <davmor2> oh nice in that case
[11:42] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Yeah, the larger screen is nice for the keyboard, I often miss the intended button on the E4.5, but the rest of the UI looks too large. And the out-of-box experience for german users is broken, on the first scope you ever get to see there is a string that's too long for its button ;)
[11:42] <ogra_> yeah
[11:42] <davmor2> SturmFlut: no you just use too longer a words :)
[11:43] <SturmFlut> davmor2: True, but the wording in this case is much less than optimal too ;)
[11:44] <davmor2> SturmFlut: if lang=="German"; nanofont
[11:45] <ogra_> if lang=="German"; force_landscape()
[11:45] <ogra_> ;)
[11:45] <SturmFlut> if lang=="Finnish"; crash
[11:45] <ogra_> "error: out of vowels"
[11:46] <svij> haha
[11:46] <SturmFlut> I once bought a picnic blanket in Sweden, it had the product name printed in different languages
[11:46] <SturmFlut> And in ever language, things looked right
[11:47] <justCarakas> orga_ davmor2 is there a way to skip the gpg blacklist stuff when switching channels ?
[11:47] <SturmFlut> Except for finnish, that was like "hjdfsayyyjkfjlkyyyyjfjlkdjkyyyy"
[11:47] <SturmFlut> Probably even more "y" than I just used
[11:47] <popey> I do like the SailfishOS update names.
[11:47] <popey> Äijänpäivänjärvi for example
[11:47] <popey> Looks like line noise.
[11:48] <SturmFlut> Or a baudrate mismatch
[11:48] <jgdx> ei saa peittää
[11:48] <popey> or dead pixels
[11:48] * popey hugs Stskeeps :)
[11:48] <SturmFlut> or what a Samsung SSD returns when you read a sector
[11:49] <popey> hah
[11:49] <popey> also, meow
[11:49] <ogra_> moo ?
[11:50] <Stskeeps> popey: i can't even speak the update names.. crazy update names :)
[11:50] <SturmFlut> popey: I challenge your "meow" with whatever you write down the noise a chinchilla makes
[11:51] <ogra_> Stskeeps, you dont get finnish courses at jolla ?
[11:51] <Stskeeps> ogra_: no, and i wouldn't accept one if they did.. polish was bad enough
[11:52] <ogra_> polish is only bad when writing it i think :)
[11:52] <svij> I really like the codenames of grml releases → https://grml.org/changelogs/
[11:52] <svij> "Schluchtenscheisser" "Knecht Rootrecht"… :)
[11:52] <SturmFlut> svij: "Knecht Rootrecht" is a great one
[11:52] <SturmFlut> "Santa's little administrator"
[11:54] <DonkeyHotei> i'd think what germans would want to know in polish is how to order food
[11:55] <DonkeyHotei> i.e. german food and polish food are pretty similar
[11:55] <ogra_> DonkeyHotei, you mean if i order beer there is no free sausage with it in poland ?
[11:55] <ogra_> *g*
[11:59] <justCarakas> is there a way to skip the gpg stuff with system-image-cli —switch ?
[12:29] <nik90> anyone from norway who can confirm that 24-hour time is written as 14.30 instead of 14:30?
[12:30] <diwic> nik90, doing a quick search on nsb.no shows timetables with 14:30
[12:30] <diwic> nik90, dates show as 17.06.2015 and times as 15:25
[12:31] <nik90> diwic: ah thnx. hmm why does qt.locale() show a dots separator...my day only gets weirder
[12:33] <jgdx> nik90, :)
[12:33] <SturmFlut> I'm a bit confused, is arale r1 equal to OTA-4?
[12:37] <jgdx> nik90, from the 70s, Norway has been using a dot. As of 2014, a colon : is allowed.
[12:38] <ogra_> SturmFlut, no, prior to OTA4 still
[12:38] <jgdx> nik90, I think it should follow NS-ISO 8601 and use :
[12:38] <nik90> jgdx: ah I am relieved..unfortunately what format the clock app uses is up to Qt.locale()..i cannot hard code it..and we seem to have discrepancy in the format shown between clock-app and the welcome-screen
[12:39] <svij> SturmFlut: your question just got answered in the new mail ;)
[12:41] <SturmFlut> svij: Oh, so I got a 32 GB device, but all the actual consumer versions will be 16 GB ones? Better not say that out too loud...
[12:41] <svij> SturmFlut: :D
[12:42] <ogra_> yeah, like in a püublic channel or something
[12:42] <ogra_> :)
[12:42] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Luckily the guys over at Softpedia don't know how to use IRC
[12:42] <svij> SturmFlut: but we can say in a month "our storage was updated via an OTA update"
[12:43] <SturmFlut> svij: Mhm, wireless flash!
[12:43] <svij> YAY :D
[12:43] <popey> SturmFlut: they do :) They join during our Q&A :)
[12:43] <SturmFlut> popey: Because you put an IRC client thingy on the website
[12:43] <popey> true
[12:44] <ogra_> so its all your fault !
[12:44] <SturmFlut> ogra_: http://blamepopey.com/
[12:44] <ogra_> yep
[12:46] * nik90 waits to see what happens at the end of popey_exploit-0.3-alpha ;)
[12:47] <popey> hah
[12:52] <SturmFlut> Any reason why the MX4 officially has a 20.7 MP camera, but the files created on my phone are only around 14.7 MP
[12:52] <mcphail> So how are the lucky few enjoying the Meizu? Is the difference in spec noticeable compared to the bq experience?
[12:52] <svij> mcphail: yes
[12:52] <ogra_> SturmFlut, did you select HQ in the camera app ?
[12:53] <mcphail> svij: generally smoother, fewer spinny things?
[12:53] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Yes
[12:54] <svij> mcphail: yes, atleast for the first impression
[12:54] <SturmFlut> ogra_: It's always 2880 x 5120 pixels
[12:54] * ogra_ must admit he never checked
[12:54] <mcphail> svij: that's encouraging. Was wondering if a high-spec phone could preload/precache all the core apps to get rid of the spinnies altogether
[12:55] <cedian_linux> have some issues with the camera here are the pastes: 1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11730339/ 2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11730349/ 3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11730355/
[12:55] <SturmFlut> mcphail: It feels much slicker and faster, but some things still take their time and sometimes the UI even stutters
[12:56] <ogra_> svij, really, you find it faster than the aquaris ?
[12:56] * ogra_ finds quite the opposite
[12:56] <svij> ogra_: yes
[12:56] <svij> i rarely used the bq, because it was kind of too slow for me
[12:56] <svij> SturmFlut: +1
[12:56] <ogra_> oh ?
[12:57] <svij> atleast starting apps on the bq is _damn_ slow
[12:57] * ogra_ hasnt used a phone that felt faster than the bq yet .... none of my android phones can cope
[12:57] <ogra_> oh, yeah, i never close them :)
[12:57] <svij> compared to my android 5.0 nexus 4
[12:57] <mcphail> SturmFlut: was wondering about that. It seems to be the qmlscene loading which slows down the bq. Otherwise it is very slick despite being a low-end device
[12:57] <SturmFlut> ogra_: I think it already feels faster than the E4.5 because the MX4 wakes up instantly on a power button press and doesn't wake up a second later :P
[12:57] <ogra_> i mean the UI speed and responsiveness
[12:58] <ogra_> scrolling is slower on the MX ... if you have many apps installed the app scope takes a break when scrolling down ...
[12:58] <svij> i didn't like using the OSK on the bq, thats better on the meizu (probably because of that bigger screen)
[12:58] <SturmFlut> ogra_: At least in my impression the MX4 is better
[12:58] <ogra_> the driver is not as good as the bq one and the higher resolution asks for a price :)
[12:58] <ogra_> thats good
[12:58] <jgdx> nik90, sorry, didn't see your reply before now. What's your suggestion?
[12:59] <jgdx> nik90, why the disparancy?
[12:59] * svij might find a few glitches when he uses it a few days/weeks more
[12:59] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Yeah, but the app scope has lots of issues on the bq too, I don't think it's the fault of the phone hardware alone
[12:59] <ogra_> perhaps it is just my pre-production device having issues
[12:59] <cedian_linux> ogra_ Ihave some issues with the camera here are the pastes: 1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11730339/ 2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11730349/ 3: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11730355/
[12:59] <cedian_linux> (I have)
[12:59] <ogra_> cedian_linux, i have no clue about cameras, sorry
[12:59] <cedian_linux> ok
[12:59] <ogra_> (specifically not about the HAL layer)
[12:59] <cedian_linux> ok
[13:00] <nik90> jgdx: I don't have a suggestion..I need to check with charles (i-dt developer) what format he uses to display time in the indicator and the welcome-scene.
[13:00] <cedian_linux> ogra_ it adds some null values
[13:01] <nik90> jgdx: I didn't hard code anything in the clock app and don't want to do so either..I am using standard Qt.locale() functions here
[13:01] <jgdx> nik90, but if Clock app does the right thing®, shouldn't we just mark indicator-datetime as affected and clock app as invalid?
[13:01] <nik90> jgdx: yeah let me check with charles before doing that.
[13:01] <jgdx> and later, if the damned Norwegians want : in their clocks we let them change it via a setting
[13:02] <jgdx> nik90, okay, wfm
[13:04] <nik90> haha..ok
[13:20] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx, hey, we got qa to validate the first u-s-s stack of backports, up to you for the next silo ;-)
[13:22] <jgdx> seb128, great stuff :) Ken started building that yesterday in silo3
[13:22] <seb128> nice
[13:24] <julianwi_> hi, I'm trying to port ubuntu touch touch to my x86 phone. I get following error in the last_kmsg: /sbin/adbd: error while loading shared libraries: libgio-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[13:30] <jgdx> abeato, hi, do you have a minute?
[13:30] <abeato> jgdx, sure
[13:30] <jgdx> abeato, I'm sitting here looking at monitor ofono
[13:31] <jgdx> abeato, and when I change a call forwarding setting, say voiceBusy to "1234", monitor ofono tells me that VoiceBusy changed.
[13:32] <jgdx> abeato, but when I set VoiceUnconditional to "1234", monitor-ofono tells me VoiceUnconditional changed, but also that "Busy" changed.
[13:32] <jgdx> why the inconsistency?
[13:32] <abeato> jgdx, unconditional forwarding overrides other call forwarding options
[13:33] <jgdx> abeato, yeah, but why VoiceBusy vs Busy ?
[13:33] <abeato> jgdx, oh, I see what you mean... if that happens it is definitely a bug
[13:33] <jgdx> seems like it's the same setting, with two different names
[13:34] * abeato checking ofono docs
[13:35] <abeato> jgdx, I think those signals come from different interfaces
[13:36] <mardy> Elleo: I think I have a bug for you, do you have a minute?
[13:36] <abeato> jgdx, you have the property org.ofono.CallForwarding.VoiceBusy
[13:38] <jgdx> abeato, and…? :P What interface reports Busy?
[13:38] <ogra_> julianwi_, uh, you would need an initrd that is built for x86
[13:38] <Elleo> mardy: sure, what's up?
[13:38] <abeato> jgdx, and supplementaryservices-api.txt describes an argument to some function in org.ofono.SupplementaryServices
[13:38] <mardy> Elleo: I just want to know if it has already been filed
[13:39] <mardy> Elleo: so, I have my OSK set to write in Italian
[13:39] <abeato> jgdx, mind doing a pastebin of the monitor-ofono output?
[13:39] <julianwi_> ogra_, my initrd files are all i386 binarys
[13:39] <mardy> Elleo: I write "Princ", then I choose "Principe" from the suggestions
[13:39] <mardy> Elleo: then I type "s", and the suggestions show "principessa"; I pick that suggestion
[13:40] <mardy> Elleo: but on the input field, the result is "Principeprincipessa"
[13:40] <mardy> Elleo: is this a known bug?
[13:40] <jgdx> abeato, added to comment.
[13:40] <jgdx> s/comment/ofono issue
[13:41] <ogra_> julianwi_, though that error only tells that it cant start adbd, there must be a real error somewhere in your logs
[13:41] <ogra_> starting adbd is only the last step wehn an error occured
[13:41] <Elleo> mardy: don't think so; does it not insert a space after the word when you select "Principe"? (so the 's' should start a new word)
[13:41] <ogra_> (and also does not actually work anymore anyway witrh recent adbd)
[13:42] <abeato> jgdx, I do not see the VoiceBusy property change event in the log
[13:42] <mardy> Elleo: no, it doesn't (I turned auto punctuation off)
[13:42] <jgdx> abeato, actually, I think that's the bug
[13:42] <julianwi_> ogra_, the real error is: Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[13:42] <jgdx> abeato, the lack of that property change
[13:42] <ogra_> julianwi_, no, thats fallout too
[13:42] <Elleo> mardy: ah, that'll probably be what makes the difference then
[13:43] <ogra_> julianwi_, pastebin the whole last_kmsg somewhere
[13:43] <abeato> jgdx, ok, thanks for the bug, I'll take a look
[13:43] <jgdx> abeato, I'm confusing the matter with bringing in props from supplementaryservices
[13:43] <Elleo> mardy: hmm, maybe no; jus ttried switching autopunctuation off and it still works correctly for me
[13:43] <Elleo> mardy: autopunctuation should just handle double space for fullstops
[13:43] <mardy> Elleo: must be autocorrection, then
[13:44] <mardy> Elleo: yes, it's autocorrection
[13:44] <abeato> jgdx, anyway I would prefer the bug in LP
[13:44] <Elleo> mardy: ah, okay
[13:44] <Elleo> mardy: yeah, could you file a bug for that? I think we should probably add spaces when the user selects a word from the word-ribbon regardless of whether auto-correction is on or not
[13:44] <mardy> Elleo: in English: type "T", pick the suggestion "the", type "r", pick the suggestion "there", and you'll get thethere
[13:45] <mardy> Elleo: no please! :-)
[13:45] <mardy> Elleo: I use a lot of commas :-)
[13:45] <jgdx> abeato, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1466095
[13:45] <julianwi_> ogra_, I think the problem is that the bootloader adds console=null to my cmdline
[13:45] <mardy> Elleo: and this concatenation of suggestions can be very useful for some languages
[13:45] <jgdx> s/is/are
[13:46] <abeato> jgdx, nice, thx
[13:46] <Elleo> mardy: looks like we already have a bug for it here actually: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1384953 perhaps you could comment on that with the against doing it that way?
[13:46] <ogra_> julianwi_, oh, yeah, you need a proper tty there ... tty0 is a good one
[13:46] <Elleo> mardy: I'd say for commas we should probably change that to work like other punctuation so it automatically removes any preceeding space
[13:46] <anpok_> Elleo, mardy: but inserting spaces or not isnt really relevant to the prblem
[13:47] <julianwi_> ogra_, ok I will try to rebuild my kernel with CONFIG_CMDLINE_OVERWRITE=y
[13:47] <anpok_> Elleo, mardy: even with a space when you go back.. it often makes a suggestion based on the already typed letters (which is great) but then does not replace the whole word - just appends..
[13:47] <ogra_> just make sure to have the neccessary options in your kernel cmdline option then ;)
[13:47] <mardy> Elleo: anpok_ is right: even if you insert a space, then I can go back and remove it, and continue typin
[13:48] <anpok_> Elleo: I would say that is essential not just useful..
[13:48] <Elleo> if you backspace into a word it'll put it back into pre-edit
[13:48] <Elleo> so the whole word will get replaced
[13:48] <anpok_> but it appends the whole suggestion..
[13:48] <Elleo> anpok_: can you show me the steps to do that?
[13:49] <mardy> Elleo: ah, you are right
[13:49] <Elleo> anpok_: for me it works correctly if you delete a space
[13:49] <julianwi_> ogra_, which options are neccesary?
[13:49] <ogra_> julianwi_, well, depends on your HW ... but you shoudl see the currently used cmdline in your boot log
[13:50] <faenil> dandrader|bank: ping
[13:52] <anpok_> Elleo: hm with english.. just th (select suggestion the) go back one space type r pick suggestion there -> ththere
[13:52] <anpok_> or rather thethere
[13:52] <anpok_> also works if you remove more from the word
[13:54] <Elleo> anpok_: ah, I see what you mean; you've moving the cursor, not deleting backwards
[13:54] <cedian_linux> ththere
[13:55] <cedian_linux> nothing :P, I'm on my laptop
[13:55] <Elleo> anpok_: yeah, we shouldn't be providing suggestions when you're in a word in the middle of a sentence, I suspect its trimming the last space when checking that
[13:55] <anpok_> not moving .. sorry deleting
[13:55] <Elleo> might be able to do a special case that still allows for suggestions when at the end of a word
[13:56] <Elleo> anpok_: do you mean you are deleting? because I was able to reproduce it by moving the cursor, but not by deleting
[13:56] <Elleo> anpok_: when deleting it puts the whole word back into preedit for me (so the whole word gets replaced)
[13:56] <anpok_> not for me
[13:56] <Elleo> anpok_: any chance you could make a quick video of what you're doing so I can see?
[14:08] <m4nuuu_> Evening all, anyone elss running UT on the aquaris e4.5?
[14:09] <faenil> ogra_: hey :) how can I trigger this from debuild? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/view/head:/CMakeLists.txt#L127
[14:09] <faenil> I want to skip the tests and build the deb
[14:09] <faenil> but -e NO_TESTS is not helping, probably because that's a cmake option and not an envvar
[14:11] <anpok_> Elleo: uploading ...
[14:11] <Elleo> anpok_: thanks
[14:16] <m4nuuu_> is
[14:16] <m4nuuu_> is
[14:16] <anpok_> Elleo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1466105
[14:17] <m4nuuu_> Is it possible to install android on the aquaris e4.5 ubuntu edition, or dual booting if possible?
[14:19] <Elleo> anpok_: could you add what settings you have enabled to the bug?
[14:20] <Elleo> anpok_: and what channel you're on? that should be adding the word back into pre-edit with what you're doing, so I'm guessing there's some combination of enabled/disabled features that causes that not to happen
[14:24] <ogra_> faenil, ask some unity8 developer ?
[14:25] <faenil> ogra_: fair point, I've tried prodding mzanetti :)
[14:25] <ogra_> m4nuuu_, you can flash android, but there is no dusl boot
[14:25] <ogra_> *dual
[14:25] <faenil> but this is a more generic question :)
[14:26] <mzanetti> faenil, usually one would use "cmake -DNO_TESTS"
[14:26] <faenil> mzanetti: yeah, from cmake :) but from debuild?
[14:26] <mzanetti> maybe "debuid -e -DNO_TESTS" or something
[14:26] <mzanetti> just a gues
[14:26] <faenil> nope
[14:26] <mzanetti> dunno... edit debian/rules :D
[14:27] <faenil> yeah well there are many ways I can do it :D
[14:27] <faenil> just wanted to know the proper way
[14:27] <faenil> there must be a way to add a cmake option from debuild
[14:27] <mzanetti> yeah... quite sure there is, but don't know it.
[14:28] <faenil> :)
[14:28] <m4nuuu_> Ogra: So its possible to replace ubuntu with android? And if so this is easily reversible?
[14:29] <anpok_> Elleo: done
[14:30] <K1773R> what is the current plan to support VPN?
[14:33] <ogra_> m4nuuu_, no, idea, i have never done it, but i think with some windows flash tool you can flash the device back and forth
[14:34] <m4nuuu_> OK cool, I'll see what the deal is :) thanks
[14:35] <Elleo> anpok_: thanks, have you had this problem for a long time or has it only just started?
[14:36] <Elleo> anpok_: those settings don't look much different to what I have
[14:36] <Elleo> anpok_: will have a poke around as soon as my device has finished running some autopilot tests and see if I can figure out a way to reproduce it
[14:36] <cedian_linux> on my laptop the screen didn't want to start :(
[14:36] <cedian_linux> But I resolved it
[14:38] <ogra_> K1773R, VPN support is in the image bu there is no UI
[14:38] <ogra_> you can set up some vpn with the keys and files in /home/phablet and manually firs it up though
[14:38] <ogra_> *fire
[14:38] <ogra_> (openvpn)
[14:43] <anpok_> Elleo: not sure.. but it isnt something that happened just recently
[14:44] <dandrader> faenil, pong
[14:44] <Elleo> anpok_: okay, thanks; I'll see what I can do to reproduce it
[14:44] <faenil> dandrader: hey :) I saw you committed the NO_TESTS config to Unity8's cmake
[14:44] <faenil> so I was wondering if you knew how to to enable that from debuild
[14:45] <faenil> i.e. without hacking around and disabling lines manually
[14:50] <dandrader> faenil, I don't know, sorry. I don't use debuild. Maybe some DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS tag would be needed
[14:50] <faenil> dandrader: alright, thanks anyway ;)
[14:51] <anpok_> Elleo: hum it works fine on the rtm images
[14:54] <Elleo> anpok_: interesting; I'm testing with wily and rc-proposed and not seeing it in either of those
[14:54] <Elleo> anpok_: although actually on rc-proposed I have a trunk build of keyboard running currently
[14:54] <Elleo> my wily image is a bit out of date though, will just try flashing the latest one
[14:59] <K1773R> ogra_: openvpn isnt installed, i have to build it myself
[14:59] <ogra_> what ?
[15:00] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ dpkg -l |grep openvpn
[15:00] <ogra_> ii openvpn 2.3.2-9ubuntu4 armhf virtual private network daemon
[15:00] <ogra_> definitely installed
[15:00] <K1773R> not for me, just flashed the current stable on mako
[15:06] <dobey> it's installed in wily at least
[15:09] <ArchNET> NICK
[15:09] <ogra_> dobey, dont use wily :P
[15:09] <ogra_> dobey, it is in vivid since months (i seeded it)
[15:10] <ogra_> and nobody should use pre-vivid images anymore anyway :)
[15:10] <ogra_> K1773R, the stable channel is very old anbd outdated ... there should be an update to it this week though
[15:11] <ArchNET> ?
[15:11] <ogra_> (well, the stable community channel that is, the official release channels are all updated already)
[15:15] <K1773R> ogra_: i used ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[15:16] <ogra_> right, thats the community channel
[15:16] <ogra_> the upgrade is in testing this week and will land there eventually ...
[15:16] <ArchNET> \msg nickserv register
[15:17] <dobey> ogra_: i have wily on my mako to test the things i'm landing into wily :)
[15:17] <ogra_> the stable/bq-aquaris.en and stable/meizu.en channels are updated since monday
[15:17] <ogra_> dobey, crazy !
[15:17] <K1773R> ogra_: which one should i pick then?
[15:17] <dobey> ogra_: i only use that device for devel/testing work, not as an actual phone. so eh, doesn't much matter what i run on it, as long as it boots :)
[15:17] <ogra_> K1773R, what device ?
[15:17] <K1773R> mako
[15:18] <ogra_> stable/bq-aquaris.en should be good then ... or just wait a few days for the upgrade in the ubuntu channel
[15:18] <dobey> or use rc-proposed if you want slightly less tested stuff
[15:19] <ogra_> living on the edge :)
[15:19] <dobey> a softish edge
[15:19] <dobey> more like a foam noodle
[15:19] <anpok_> hum hm i use devel-proposed as a daily phone and to do testing
[15:20] <dobey> now that is living on the edge
[15:20] <ogra_> living on the foam noodle then
[15:20] <ogra_> i can live with that description :)
[15:21] <K1773R> ok, will wait
[15:21] <ogra_> anpok_, well, devel-proposed is totally un-QAed ... gets all the crack and will eventually break if we start snappy work
[15:21] <K1773R> its fine, i compiled openvpn myself ;)
[15:23] <ogra_> K1773R, any reason to not just use am existing deb ?
[15:23] <K1773R> ogra_: yes, broke my phone twice with chaning fings on the r/o filesystems
[15:23] <K1773R> s/fings/things/, wtf
[15:24] <ogra_> well, making it rw to install a single deb that wasnt installed before and then making it ro again wont do any harm
[15:24] <K1773R> ok, then something else did ^^ good to know
[15:24] <K1773R> last time there was no package openvpn, thats why i built it myself
[15:25] <ogra_> it really depends what you do with the rw state :) usually small and single packages that are not installed already wont do any harm
[15:25] <ogra_> oh, because you were using the RTM release, yeah
[15:25] <ogra_> that doesnt have anything in the archive except for whats on the image
[15:26] <K1773R> it was fine with the last 2-3 updates, but this time it broke :S
[15:26] <ogra_> (thats all fixed with the current upgrade)
[15:30] <ArchNET> terminal on ubuntu phone
[15:41] <charles> jgdx, nik90: what is the date formatting issue you two were talking about earlier?
[15:41] <charles> the indicator's format is coded to match https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#Presenting_times
[15:45] <nik90> charles: in the norwegian locale, clock app shows time as 21.30 while indicator-datetime shows it as 21:30.
[15:45] <nik90> charles: for clock app I'm using Qt.locale(), so we're wondering what format is used by indicator-datetime..if it was hard coded or not..
[15:45] * nik90 reads the link
[15:46] <charles> ok. I don't think the link's germane for that
[15:46] <charles> nik90, is there a ticket open for this already?
[15:46] <nik90> charles: yes, one sec
[15:47] <charles> I'm doing triage on a couple of other datetime questions today & will add this to my TODO
[15:47] <nik90> chhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1466002
[15:47] <charles> nik90, thanks
[15:48] <nik90> yw
[16:09] <seb128> ogra_, in your reply to this email you are assuming that the issue is a bluez one/that bluez5 resolves that problem, which is unsure, seems like they are mentioning pulse routing issues
[16:10] <ogra_> seb128, oh, yeah that too ... i just wanted to point out the complexity of the task though ... since i find the accusation that we ignore the problem rather rude
[16:10] <ogra_> feel free to point them to pulse :)
[16:12] <seb128> ogra_, well, we ignore the problem it's true
[16:12] <seb128> like we didn't assign anyone to look at what the issue is and work on resolving it
[16:12] <ogra_> we ahvent ignored it in the phonedations team
[16:13] <seb128> then there should be a bug with the status...
[16:13] <ogra_> right, its a lack of manpower ..
[16:13] <seb128> yeah, I don't say we could do better
[16:13] <seb128> but we basically didn't work much on it by lack of resources/priority
[16:13] <seb128> so he can challenge that the bug priority should be bumped
[16:13] <ogra_> (and an issue that our BT specialis suddenly left the team and went to maintain the installer :P )
[16:13] <seb128> which is pat&co decision
[16:14] <ogra_> yeah
[16:15] <ogra_> but its simply not like we say on a developer level "screw it, we dont care" ... that is what the mail implied
[16:15] <seb128> right, it's just that he didn't get ranked as a top priority on our current list
[16:16] <ogra_> yeah
[16:16] * seb128 is going to reply
[16:16] <ogra_> thanks :)
[16:27] <dednick> larsu: ping
[16:29] <dednick> larsu: attaching a source to a mainloop. during an iteration, what is the order the sources are polled in? by the source priority?
[16:49] <cedian_linux> Hi all
[17:01] <cedian_linux> I'm removing Gentoo external and will install Ubuntu on there, my internal HDD starts failing
[17:11] <colbyf> just sent an email to Enpass to ask if they would create there app for ubuntu phone
[17:12] <colbyf> fingers crossed, good password manager and you can sync it with your ownCloud and other clouds
[17:12] <colbyf> I also work in BT so pushing the app developes in there to make apps for the UK phone
[17:14] <seb128> who is looking at unity-scopes nowadays? is https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/82f3407ea224db29041027eca65d23d17eb2027e a known issue?
[17:14] <seb128> it's ranked high on e.u.c device issues
[17:15] <seb128> smartscopesproxy error
[17:22] <sergiusens_> alecu: ^
[17:26] <dobey> hmm
[17:33] <brobostigon> is there a method for working out battery drain?
[17:33] <brobostigon> and the causes?
[17:38] <studio_> hi
[17:41] <brobostigon> hi studio_
[17:41] <dobey> seb128: is there a bug report against unity-scopes-api for that one?
[17:41] <studio_> popey, i have a question about the adapter in the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvDbi5h5RF4, is it an normal mhl adapter or displaylink?
[17:41] <seb128> dobey, unsure, the e.u.c entry is not linked to one at least
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> hi mandel. It's probably EOD for you, but just on the off-chance that you're still around - I have a question about the download manager and I've been told you're the person to ask :)
[17:46] <dobey> seb128: can you get one filed for it? i think everyone who looks after that bit is gone for the day (either in eu or au)
[17:46] <seb128> dobey, k
[17:47] <dobey> seb128: thanks
[17:47] <seb128> yw!
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you?
[17:52] <studio_> popey, are you still there?
[17:53] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, good! how are you?
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not bad :)
[17:56] <ogra_> brobostigon, try to catch cking tomorrow, there are a bunch of measuring tools he has on the image ... and i think SturmFlut also wrote something about monitoring power drain if i'm not wrong
[17:56] <studio_> @mhall119, sorry haven't seen, that you are also online. what adapter are you using?
[17:57] <brobostigon> ogra_: ok, thank you.
[18:07] <studio_> come on guys, what usb-adaper is it on 8:17 to clone the display?
[18:16] <studio_> nobody knows, or nobody wants to tell?
[18:17] <dobey> studio_: acquire a modicum of patience, please
[18:19] <mhall119> studio_: it's a very specifoc slimport model
[18:20] <mhall119> not all slimport adapters work with the nexus 4 it seems
[18:20] <studio_> mhall119, is it mhl?
[18:20] <mhall119> studio_: I'll have to find the Amazon link, will ping you with it layer
[18:23] <mhall119> studio_: no, it's pre-mhl I think
[18:24] <cwayne1> http://www.amazon.com/SlimPort%C2%AE-SP1002-Connect-connector-Supports/dp/B009UZBLSG
[18:26] <studio_> mhall119, what is the different between "slimport" and mhl? payment for license? if yes, will that adapter work on the bq E4.5/E5?
[18:33] <dobey> studio_: https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=slimport%20vs%20mhl
[18:35] * ogra_ would have used http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?word1=slimport&word2=mhl
[18:35] <ogra_> :P
[18:37] <dobey> heh
[18:38] <studio_> sorry, but i do not unterstand the video. it is not an official ubuntu phone
[18:40] <dobey> …
[18:41] <studio_> i think ubuntu touch needs more time. it is nice to see, what is "possible", but on the "official" ubuntu touch devices it is "now" not working.
[18:42] <grepo> hello, I am new to ubuntu touch, may I consult bug reporting process here?
[18:42] <ogra_> you mean the feature that is announced for april 2016 is not working today ? thats indeed shocking
[18:42] <ogra_> grepo, sure
[18:42] <dobey> studio_: stop expecting a product that has been announced to be released a year from now, on something that was released 6 months ago
[18:43] <grepo> orga_: I am experienced Fedora user and feel lucky about Red Hat Bugzilla
[18:43] <studio_> ogra_, yes maybe on 16.04, but not in the moment
[18:44] <grepo> orga_: I was trying to file a bug report over launchpad for ubuntu touch, but the bug gets no maintainer for a long time
[18:44] <grepo> orga_: How can I push the process forward?
[18:45] <ogra_> grepo, there is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers showing a bit of the package relations ... and for generic bugs you can use https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug
[18:45] <grepo> orga_: I did that with the result above...
[18:45] <ogra_> the latter list is reviewed by the phone product team regulary
[18:46] <ogra_> grepo, got a bug number ?
[18:46] <ogra_> studio_, who said when that it would be available "in the moment" ?
[18:47] <studio_> ogra_, why canoncial make a different between "phone" and other touch devices with gsm/3g/lte-support?
[18:47] <ogra_> it is a feature for 16.04 ... (which, as i think you have been told 1000 times now or more ... yet you come back to complain about it for your own fun apprantly)
[18:47] <grepo> orga_: OK, I opened a filed bug now and added canonical system image as a affected project, does it help
[18:47] <grepo> ??
[18:48] <ogra_> grepo, whats the bug number ... i can find someone to push it forward
[18:48] <grepo> the number is 1462090
[18:48] <ogra_> bug 1462090
[18:48] <grepo> yes
[18:48] <ogra_> bfiller, ^^ ?
[18:50] <grepo> orga_: I have the phone for two month not able to place a call to slovakian fixed lines because of i18n formatting
[18:50] <studio_> ogra_, who said that? the blueprint. as i remember correct it said something about xmir on mir
[18:50] <ogra_> grepo, right, i think bfiller's team is responsible for that part of the system ... i pinged him above and he will take care of getting it to the right developer
[18:51] <ogra_> studio_, no idea what you talk about, sorry
[18:51] <grepo> orga_, ok thanks
[18:51] <studio_> ogra_, you asked, what is working in the moment, aren't you?
[18:52] <bfiller> renatu: can you take a quick look at this bug grepo is reporting please? https://launchpad.net/bugs/1462090
[18:53] <ogra_> studio_, no, i know what is working atm
[18:53] <bfiller> renatu: maybe tiago knows it better
[18:55] <bfiller> grepo: we'll get it fixed for the next ota and can get you the fix before that if you're willing to make your phone rw
[18:56] <grepo> what is the frequency of ota?
[18:56] <ogra_> grepo, about monthly
[18:56] <ogra_> last OTA went actually out on monday
[18:56] <ogra_> (you should have recieved it)
[18:57] <grepo> when putting rw, what is the way of patching? apt-get update?
[18:57] <studio_> ogra_, ok, nice, but "maybe" you could answer my last question to you?
[18:57] <ogra_> studio_, what was that last question ?
[18:57] <studio_> ogra_, about the "phone"
[18:58] <ogra_> all your question here are "about the phone"
[18:58] <bfiller> grepo: apt-get update from a ppa or copy deb to phone and dpkg -i to install it
[18:58] <studio_> ogra_, why canoncial make a different between "phone" and other touch devices with gsm/3g/lte-support?
[18:58] * ogra_ would do the latter ... as it is the least intrusive
[18:58] <ogra_> and then make the phone readonly again
[18:59] <ogra_> studio_, does canonical do that ? i dont think so
[18:59] <grepo> bfiller, ok no problem, i can remount / rw and update if it will not affect future ota updates....
[18:59] <ogra_> dont use apt then
[18:59] <bfiller> grepo: yeah, what ogra_ says is the best
[19:00] <ogra_> if it is only a single package make it rw, wget the package, dpkg -i ... make it ro
[19:00] <grepo> ok
[19:00] <ogra_> apt will first need to update package caches etc etc ... the changes it does are a lot more
[19:01] <bfiller> grepo: so to be clear, you are entering the number in the dialer app and it is incorrectly formatting it by adding "/"?
[19:01] <studio_> there is no "phone". the is a handelt pc with gsm/lte or what ever support, same is with an "tablet-pc" or "netbook", isn't it?
[19:01] <ogra_> who says that ?
[19:01] <studio_> me
[19:02] <ogra_> fine then
[19:03] <grepo> bfiller: the / on the display is not a problem, but it should be removed when placing a call, I suggested regular expression change in a source code file in bug report
[19:03] <studio_> ogra_, what is a PDA?
[19:03] <bfiller> grepo: ok
[19:03] <bfiller> saw that
[19:03] <ogra_> studio_, something from the 90s that collects dust on my shelf
[19:04] <studio_> ogra_, what is a phone?
[19:04] <davmor2> studio_: a thing you make phone calls on
[19:04] <studio_> :)
[19:05] <grepo> biffler, I am not 100% sure I identified problem correcly but 99% the problem is the regular expression removing prettyprinting of the numbers
[19:05] <bfiller> grepo: even if we strip the slash before placing the call, does it make sense to have / on the display?
[19:06] <davmor2> studio_: how are you communicating on irc you are a studio
[19:06] <studio_> davmor2, so for what is an ubuntu phone? just for making phone calls?
[19:06] <grepo> bfiller: I don't mind the / on the screen it separates operator part of the number from the party number, but it it is not there i do not mind it either. Both solutions are OK for me.
[19:07] <ogra_> studio_, it is a smartphone ... similar to an android or IOS or sailfish device
[19:07] <bfiller> grepo: is / common for slovakian numbers?
[19:08] <grepo> bfiller: yes they are often printed like this. The number before / identifies the locality of the fixed line.
[19:08] <bfiller> grepo: ok thanks
[19:08] <Sleep_Walker> grepo: you still use it?
[19:09] <grepo> sleep_walker: use what?
[19:09] <renatu> bfiller, let me take a look to see if it is related with number formating
[19:09] <Sleep_Walker> I haven't seen '/' as separator in Czech republic for really long time
[19:09] <ogra_> we have that in germany too ... but nobody would have the idea to type it in i guess
[19:10] <bfiller> renatu: sounds like the / needs to be removed before placing the call but it is correct to have it on the display
[19:10] <davmor2> studio_: depends on your user case, My mom would use only sms basically combined with a bit of phoning, because that is all she uses her android phone for, Then there are power users that very rarely use the phone or messaging tools on the device. But the thing that differentiates a a phone from a table and pc, is it fits in your pocket and can make phone calls via the phone networks and sms via the phone networ
[19:10] <davmor2> ks
[19:10] <studio_> ogra_, a smartphone is just PR. "smart" phones have been old phones which became "smart" with some addons. bat they are still PDAs or handheld PCs ...
[19:10] <ogra_> studio_, whatever you say ...
[19:11] <grepo> sleep_walker: czech republic removed locality identification few year ago. You can move your number to another locality. I think it is not possible here in Slovakia. You should ask for non-goegraphical number if you want to move between locality.
[19:11] <Sleep_Walker> grepo: thanks for explanation, I had no idea
[19:12] <studio_> ogra_, would you say, that an mt6595 with phone support is just a "phone"?
[19:12] <ogra_> studio_, no, i would say that a cpu has nothig to do with the use case of the software
[19:12] <studio_> ok
[19:13] <ogra_> and you wont get nowhere going on with this ... it is extremely tiring
[19:13] <ogra_> (but you are being told that every time anyway, i know you wont listen to anyone in here as usual)
[19:14] <grepo> bfiller: could you, please, put the URL from where could be the dpkg downloaded from to the bug report after it is avalilable? Thanks.
[19:16] <bfiller> grepo: will do
[19:16] <grepo> bfiller: thank you very much
[19:16] <bfiller> grepo: sorry about the bug, thanks for reporting it
[19:17] <bfiller> I didn't notice it earlier
[19:18] <studio_> thanks guy for answering my questions for today, have to leave. wish you a nice evening. thanks again.
[19:18] <grepo> bfiller: it is normal for the software to contain bugs. I was just frustrated for not taking care of it. I was not aware of the correct process. So is adding to cannonical system image correct way to get care of it? Or should I always use the url posted above by orga_?
[19:21] <bfiller> grepo: adding canonical system image and the affected project (in this case telephony-service) is the correct way, the bugs get triaged fairly often but sometimes it takes a while
[19:21] <bfiller> grepo: so best to file the bug and ping one of us on irc if it's something critical
[19:22] <grepo> OK. I will do it like this. Thank you once more. Bye
[19:54] <grepo> I have one more question, does anybody observe same bahaviour? When I disable wifi, battery drains faster than when it is enabled on bq aquaris... or does it only seem to me?
[19:54] * ogra_ never disables wifi ...
[19:54] <ice9> I'm trying to initiate the repo but I get this error https://gist.github.com/anonymous/95255793b01a8d52379e
[19:54] <ogra_> on idle my phone lasts about 5-6 days (if i dont touch it at all) ...
[19:55] <ogra_> average usage gets me 2-3 days ... heavy usage a bit more than one day
[19:56] <grepo> orga_: when the phone was new, i had one sim installed, wifi on, and the phone on the table without moving I got 8 days and 7 nights.
[19:56] <grepo> orga_: now with two sims installed and wifi off 3 days and two nights.\
[19:56] <ogra_> yeah, thats normal
[19:56] <ogra_> i did use two sims for a while and didnt notice a difference ...
[19:57] <ogra_> so it may actually be the turned off wifi
[19:58] <grepo> orga_: it is very strange, I would expect the battery to last longer with wifi off...
[19:58] <ogra_> well, there is surely some bug ...
[19:59] <ogra_> like the notification service polling more or some such
[20:00] <grepo> ogra_: yeah, I think so. But if nobody else is observing it maybe it is not true and it is only seeming to me...
[20:01] <ogra_> to observe it you need to turn off wifi ... not sure how common that is
[20:01] <ogra_> i definitely never turn it off
[20:01] <ogra_> you could try writing to the mailing list and see if others have the same experience
[20:02] <grepo> ok. will try.
[20:04] <taiebot> Is anyone on OTA 4 ? just want to check if bug on willy is present on older revision. Open contact-app => select a contact => click on the little messaging icon => (Opens the messaging app )try to send a sms from there ( it should work but it fails)
[20:06] <SturmFlut> grepo: The standby time of my E4.5 is so long that I usually forget when I last had to charge it, so if my phone showed this bevior too, I wouldn't have noticed. But there are people out there who seem to have the equipment to actually measure such things, see bug 1460945
[20:06] <grepo> taiebot: how can I check OTA version? I have the one from monday... probably not what you want...
[20:07] <taiebot> grepo could you try?
[20:08] <grepo> SturmFlut: I was running top on terminal not seeing any high cpu usage. It should be something hidden. Polling frequently, but not using CPU hard.
[20:12] <ogra_> grepo, monday was the OTA4 :)
[20:12] <grepo> taiebot: sure i can, i am going to, but how to check for ota version?
[20:12] <ogra_> (i think you see it as 23 in your system-settings)
[20:13] <ogra_> ah, no, 24 actually
[20:14] <grepo> taiebot: the message was successfully sent.
[20:15] <grepo> taiebot: but i have chosen contact from Favorites. I do not know if that matters?
[20:15] <matv1> etmyth
[20:15] <matv1> etm
[20:16] <taiebot> grepo: mm weird mine when i do this it opens the messaging app on a different thread than the original contact thread and from their i cannot send any messages
[20:16] <grepo> ogra: you mean OS Ubuntu15.04(r23)??? This is what I see...
[20:17] <ogra_> yeah
[20:17] <ogra_> http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/rc/bq-aquaris.en/krillin/ shows a 24 ...
[20:19] <grepo> really weird. why do i see r23?
[20:19] <taiebot> ogra_ can you confirm it works on 24 Open contact-app => select a contact => click on the little messaging icon => (Opens the messaging app )try to send a sms from there ( it should work but it fails)
[20:19] <SturmFlut> ogra_: You are looking at the "rc" channel
[20:20] <ogra_> SturmFlut, oops :P
[20:20] <SturmFlut> ogra_, grepo: OTA-4 equals "r23" on the stable channel
[20:20] <ogra_> thats what you get when never using the stable channel :P
[20:20] <SturmFlut> taiebot, grepo: Most people should be on OTA-4 by now, sadly I don't have a SIM in my bq at the moment
[20:20] <grepo> ok, understand...
[20:20] * SturmFlut has too many phones and not enough SIMs
[20:24] <matv1> hmm cached search suggestions in scopes are placed outside of the shell. Seen it before but thought that was fixed. Has it regressed since OTA4?
[20:24] <taiebot> sturmflut is your Sim on your new phone ? (saw the google + post)
[20:25] <SturmFlut> taiebot: Yep
[20:25] <taiebot> me is jealous ;-)
[20:25] <svij> same for me ;)
[20:26] <taiebot> just wished it had a SD card
[20:26] <taiebot> Sturmflut: How app startup compares ?
[20:27] <SturmFlut> taiebot: Yeah, the lack of an SD card while having just 12 GB of available storage is a problem for me. I upgraded my bq to 72 GB
[20:27] <ogra_> SturmFlut, there is resize code that will land in one of the next OTAs that will at least expand to the full disk for you
[20:28] <SturmFlut> taiebot: It starts crazy fast. 20 seconds from power-on to lockscreen
[20:28] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Pssst, we got a special version ;)
[20:29] <ogra_> yeah :) thats why i said "full disk" ;)
[20:29] <svij> ogra_: I always wanted a storage upgrade through an OTA update… you should that with the RAM too :P
[20:29] <taiebot> sturmflut i meant the apps like calculator, browser, etc. Sometimes i get a little bit frustrated with waiting
[20:29] <ogra_> svij, well, we'll see ... i work on snappy now you will have to wait til the phone switches to it
[20:29] <svij> ogra_: :)
[20:30] <ogra_> taiebot, just dont close them :)
[20:30] <svij> taiebot: it's a bit better on the mx4 compared to the bq
[20:30] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Ah, you mean the whole 17 GB? ;)
[20:31] <ogra_> SturmFlut, 16 ... yeah :)
[20:31] <SturmFlut> taiebot: The browser on the MX4 starts in about half the time the bq needs
[20:31] <taiebot> ogra_ yeah i might have OCD for running apps cannot let them in the dash needs to swipe them away.
[20:32] <ogra_> haha
[20:33] <taiebot> ogra_ always wondered if some should not be hidden in the background like ,messaging, contact, browser, to give the device a speedier feel.
[20:34] <SturmFlut> taiebot: Same for the Music app, starts about twice as fast than the bq
[20:34] <ahayzen> SturmFlut, really? how fast?
[20:34] <SturmFlut> taiebot: And the MX4 has 2 GB of RAM, so it doesn't have to kill apps all the time
[20:34] <ogra_> taiebot, heh, bfiller brought that up a few times for the dialer app :)
[20:34] <ahayzen> its around 2.7-3.2s on mako when i last checked
[20:36] <taiebot> Sturmflut: i only have a nexus 4 here and like ahayzen i would say most apps start in 3-4sec when they have been cached. Calculator can take up to 6 sec
[20:37] <ArchNET> NickServ VERIFY REGISTER ArchNET xqpoojqexlth
[20:37] <SturmFlut> ahayzen: I just did a cheap test with a stopwatch, on the bq it's exactly 5 seconds until the app starts to show actual content, on the MX4 it's about 2.7 to 3
[20:37] <SturmFlut> ArchNET: ...you might want to do that right
[20:38] <ArchNET> why
[20:38] <SturmFlut> ArchNET: Because we just saw your password
[20:38] <ahayzen> SturmFlut, copy this script on your device http://people.ubuntu.com/~ahayzen/measure.py and run $ ./measure.py /home/phablet/.cache/upstart/unity8.log ApplicationManager::onProcessStarting "MirSurfaceItem::updateMirSurfaceFocus true"
[20:38] <ahayzen> SturmFlut, and it'll tell you how long it takes for the app to start
[20:38] <SturmFlut> ahayzen: Ooooh!
[20:39] <ahayzen> ...or at least gives you a measurable value :-)
[20:39] <SturmFlut> I'll just enable Developer Mode for the first time
[20:39] <taiebot> ahayzen: are you developping for the music app?
[20:39] <SturmFlut> So exciting
[20:39] <ahayzen> just remember the first time you start an app it has to build the cache, so measure with the second/third start
[20:39] <ahayzen> taiebot, yeah ;-)
[20:39] <SturmFlut> ahayzen: Yeah, I measured after a couple of starts
[20:39] <taiebot> ahayzen can i make a feature request?
[20:40] <ahayzen> taiebot, maybe? hehe
[20:41] <ahayzen> taiebot, ... is it an Eq .. or convergence?
[20:42] <taiebot> Ahayzen. There should be some kind of animation to show that music is playing like a fake music spectrum on the bottom bar would be lovely https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=music+spectrum+images&client=ubuntu&hs=IV1&channel=fs&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=b9uBVfC4AuHd7gbSo4HIDw&ved=0CCEQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=682
[20:42] <ahayzen> taiebot, interesting, across all pages? or just when the toolbar is shown (non now playing page)?
[20:43] <ArchNET> I want to install penman on Ubuntu phone
[20:43] <ArchNET> zenmap
[20:43] <ArchNET> or nmap
[20:44] <ahayzen> ArchNET, this may interest you https://uappexplorer.com/app/netscan.mzanetti
[20:44] <ArchNET> tank you
[20:45] <ahayzen> taiebot, its probably best you report a bug against the music-app in lp, and i'll mark it as wishlist and i suppose we would need design input
[20:46] <SturmFlut> taiebot: Okay, so according to your script the Music app starts in about 4100ms on the bq and 1800ms on the MX4
[20:46] <ahayzen> SturmFlut, interest, is this with a completely empty queue?
[20:46] <ahayzen> *interesting
[20:46] <taiebot> ahayzen well the black bar that you click on to show now playing at the bottom could be a music spectrum analyser or a fake one. It would be just moving to show that music is playing. I found myself more than ones with wondering if i had launch the music and did not realised the sound was muted.
[20:47] <SturmFlut> ahayzen: No, different music files on both devices. I would have to synchronize both for a very fair comparison
[20:47] <ahayzen> SturmFlut, it doesn't really matter about how many music files are on the device, just if any were in the play queue
[20:48] <ahayzen> taiebot, yeah the only visual element we have is the seekbar moving *very* slowly across the bottom :-)
[20:48] <mzanetti> rpadovani, I've fixed the issues
[20:48] <SturmFlut> ahayzen: I think the queues should be empty
[20:48] <ahayzen> SturmFlut, if they are then yeah its a pretty good test :-)
[20:49] <ahayzen> sounds about the right times tbh
[20:50] <matv1> I cannot even find a bugreport for that. surely I am not the only one seeing that on the bq?
[20:51] <taiebot> ahayzen https://gitlab.com/nitroxis/pasa/
[20:51] <taiebot> :)
[20:52] <ahayzen> taiebot, hehe unfortunately we don't have access that low :-/ we just tell media-hub what to play
[20:52] <matv1> ..assuming that that would be a Unity bug.
[20:54] <taiebot> matv1: is it for search suggestion in scopes. if you report it i confirm it
[20:55] <matv1> yes thats right. It appears above the searchbox. which is outside of visible area
[20:56] <matv1> taiebot I am guessing report it against Unity right?
[20:57] <taiebot> matv1: unity8
[20:57] <matv1> taiebot yup will do.
[20:59] <ArchNET> I have a problem on mi phone
[21:00] <ArchNET> sudo passwd
[21:00] <dobey> !ask | ArchNET
[21:00] <dobey> ArchNET: the password is whatever you set it to. the pin/password for the lock screen
[21:01] <ArchNET> ies but , I cant change the password
[21:01] <ogra_> you can ... via system-settings
[21:01] <dobey> yes you can, in the system settings
[21:02] <dobey> ArchNET: if you are trying to use sudo to use apt though, i'd not recommend it. you should create a chroot on your phone and install any cli tools in there instead, and use them from within the chroot
[21:02] <ArchNET> it say authentification token manipulation error
[21:02] <ogra_> ArchNET, if you use system-settings to change it ?
[21:03] <dobey> you can't use the passwd command to change the root password. there is no root password
[21:03] <ogra_> and the password database is locked down
[21:03] <dobey> exactly
[21:03] <dobey> see https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311 for making a chroot
[21:08] <matv1> taiebot https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1466228
[21:12] <taiebot> matv1 confirmed and i placed a screenshot too
[21:12] <matv1> taiebot ah cheers!
[21:15] <matv1> taiebot hang-on, now I see that its not actually the same thing. In Mako the hint covers the searchbox, I see in your screenshot
[21:16] <matv1> in Krillin the search hint just is not visible
[21:16] <matv1> I will add a screenshot as well to show the difference
[21:17] <taiebot> matv1: yeah i think the bug should be called the position of the search box is not fixed. sometime the little arrow is above the search box.
[21:17] <matv1> taiebot agreed. I will update in a minute :)
[21:18] <taiebot> matv1 i did find this search box at different place on my screen http://uppix.com/f-screenshot2015065581e434001931da.png
[21:20] <matv1> taiebot haha I never saw that one before. what channel/release is that on?
[21:20] <taiebot> matv1 its quite easy to trigger when you have done more than 3 searches.
[21:21] <taiebot> matv1 i am on willy (the bleeding edge)
[21:22] <matv1> taiebot I see.
[21:24] <matv1> oh yeah I can do that too on BQ stable, i just found out. I can actualy swipe the sugestions list to a different place on the screen so that it looks like your screenshot
[21:25] <taiebot> matv1: so far it has been not very bleeding :) kudos to the developpers as UT is becoming more and more stable. back in the days you could end up with a non-working phones.
[21:25] <matv1> taiebot totaly agreed! all in all its looking pretty neat
[21:26] <matv1> I started out on the galaxy nexus back in october 2013 :D
[21:26] <matv1> i recently came across an ols screenshot
[21:26] <matv1> looks totaly different now
[21:27] <matv1> background of homescope was purple for starters
[21:27] <taiebot> has been my primary phone since oct 2013 was kind of edgy at that time. ;-)
[21:28] <matv1> taiebot wow respect :D not even most canonical peeps went that deep in that early
[21:29] <matv1> taiebot it actualy makes me happy to be reporting minor things like that search sugestions thingy :)
[21:29] <taiebot> Lol well i do not receive that many call use my phone as a webbrowser mainly. Has soon as i got 3g working that was it. My girlfriend did not like it because i was missing sms and calls :-D
[21:30] <matv1> taiebot lol :) same here
[21:31] <taiebot> Anyway bed time.
[21:33] <ArchNET> Ubuntu phone must be changed completly
[21:34] <genii> Feel free to do so
[21:34] <ArchNET> Yes
[21:36] <mcphail> matv1: can you post the screenshot? Would be interested to see how things have changed
[21:36] <ArchNET> the operaring system must be changed , the graphic interface sucks. unity dock aswell ,
[21:37] <ArchNET> I like Ubuntu
[21:37] <matv1> mcphail you mean the one frm back in 2013?
[21:37] <mcphail> yep - if you still have it
[21:37] <ogra_> ArchNET, you dont sound like you do
[21:37] <matv1> haha hang on a minute, I should do
[21:37] <mcphail> :)
[21:38] <ArchNET> but Ubuntu phone phablet it's sucks sorry for the comment
[21:40] <matv1> found it :) wasnt even a screenshot propper. just a selfie, just after initial flash :)
[21:40] <matv1> http://uppix.com/f-image0015581e8de001931df.jpg
[21:40] <matv1> you couldnt even do screenshots back then
[21:41] <mcphail> looks like firefoxOS!
[21:41] <matv1> mcphail haha don't say that
[21:42] <mcphail> That is a real moment in history. Thanks for sharing!
[21:42] <matv1> you also have to realise that they started out with a lot of placeholders. i.e. thumbs that didnt do anything
[21:42] <mcphail> that is called "ambition"
[21:43] <matv1> mcphail no problem I am sure there are many others who have the same kind of shots :)
[21:43] <matv1> absolutely true! I am still amazed every day
[21:43] <mcphail> I love this kind of stuff. Wish I had been along for the ride
[21:44] <matv1> the ride is still pretty early days :)
[21:44] <mcphail> fun, isn't it?
[21:45] <matv1> yup. my next biggie would be standing next to someone on the street using one of these
[21:45] <matv1> that would just blow me away
[21:46] <mcphail> It is a shame the bq looks so much like an Iphone. No-one notices when you use it
[21:47] <mcphail> I'm hoping for a bright and shiny device in Ubuntu-orange or purple. That would get heads turning
[21:48] <matv1> mcphail, they will notice for sure when you run a full desktop off your phone at the end of this year
[21:48] <matv1> mphail that would actualy be a great idea
[21:48] <matv1> those colors
[21:49] * mcphail shouldn't be relied upon for fashion advice
[21:50] <matv1> mcphail :)
[23:07] <nik90> balloons: ping
[23:08] <nik90> balloons: When you see this msg can you re-run jenkins on https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/migrate-to-15.04-framework/+merge/260336
[23:09] <nik90> balloons: looking at the fail log, it seems it failed for 2 reason, the first being no internet connection and the second being a random segmentation fault of clock app.
[23:09] <nik90> balloons: Are the jenkins vivid machines connected to the web? I know we talked about mocking online search but never got to it in utopic. But seemingly it is failing now on vivid due to that reason.
[23:19] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: Hey, I saw that you registered on the forum, but you're not activated. did you get the activate email? I'm asking because some people didn't got the activate email, but i thought i fixed that issue.
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[00:21] <RAOF> Huh. I thought explicitly sized enums were in C99.
[00:21] <RAOF> Incorrect!
[10:05] <duflu> Sigh. Science is mostly about finding new things that don't work...
[10:06] <duflu> Speaking of which, time to do some science on dinner.
[13:48] <kgunn> mterry: yo, so with the agetty race thing
[13:48] <mterry> kgunn, yeah?
[13:48] <kgunn> is this the bug
[13:48] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1445553
[13:49] <kgunn> mterry: and follow up question is, if you "lose the race"
[13:49] <kgunn> is there a way around it? e.g. can i just kill agetty
[13:49] <kgunn> just curious...
[13:49] <mterry> kgunn, if you lose the race, you can kill mir and it will restart and take the vt. I've not tried killing agetty, but maybe?
[13:49] <mterry> kgunn, it's not that bug.
[13:49] <mterry> kgunn, there's not an LP bug for the race issue
[13:51] <kgunn> mterry: that seems strange to me, you can kill mir to restart and take the vt ?
[13:51] <kgunn> mterry: i guess you're assuming in that statement
[13:51] <kgunn> that the script is always present,
[13:52] <kgunn> trying to win the race
[13:52] <mterry> kgunn, so with the vt race, the problem is, whoever starts last gets the VT
[13:52] <mterry> kgunn, and if you restart mir, it will steal the VT back
[14:09] <kgunn> mterry: ah...ha
[16:07] <AlbertA> vogons: any other opinions on https://code.launchpad.net/~albaguirre/mir/fix-1465883/+merge/262160 before I TA?
[16:07] <AlbertA> that will be backported to 0.13
[16:10] <dandrader> anpok_, what do I do to in qtmir/unity8 to disable USC's cursor?
[16:14] <dandrader> I mean, what do I have to do in qtmir/unity8 to accomplish that
[16:15] <dandrader> racarr_ ^ (you might also know about it)
[16:21] <AlbertA> alf_: you want lp:mir r2667 in mir 0.13.3 right
[16:21] <AlbertA> ?
[16:25] <alf_> AlbertA: Correct
[16:26] <AlbertA> alf_: ack
[16:59] <kgunn> racarr_: anpok_ so i'm wanting dandrader to do the mouse cursor rendering, but he's stuck cause mir doesn't have mouse input event type, only pointer
[17:00] <kgunn> how can we unblock him ?
[17:00] <kgunn> what needs to happen
[17:00] <racarr_> the pointer events are the location of the system cursor
[17:01] <racarr_> / is the same as mouse input
[17:01] <racarr_> not sure what you mean :)
[17:01] <dandrader> racarr_, ah, you're there. unity8 needs the raw mouse events
[17:02] <racarr_> unless you mean "relative coordinates"
[17:02] <racarr_> ah yeah
[17:02] <dandrader> racarr_, qtmir, actually
[17:02] <racarr_> thats on the backlog...it was blocked by the input event cleanup
[17:02] <racarr_> I think RAOF had kind of marked it off but not sure
[17:04] <dandrader> racarr_, so qtmir needs to tell USC to not draw a cursor and it needs to get the raw mouse events (not the higher lever pointer ones)
[17:06] <dandrader> racarr_, can't find the card...
[17:12] <racarr_> dandrader|lunch: so I believe you can tell USC not to draw the cursor now using
[17:12] <racarr_> the_cursor
[17:12] <racarr_> unless we privatized it
[17:12] <racarr_> but in the nested case thats hooked up
[17:12] <racarr_> to the
[17:12] <racarr_> system compositor cursor
[17:12] <racarr_> and you can just hide it
[17:13] <racarr_> dandrader|lunch: This must be the card https://trello.com/c/FfH2HUV8/109-add-client-api-for-subscription-to-raw-events
[17:13] <racarr_> for raw events
[19:15] <fisch246> i have a feature request for mir
[19:16] <anpok_> yes?
[19:19] <fisch246> there is one feature missing in unity and x that is the one thing missing that prevents me from using Ubuntu as my daily driver. Borderless fullscreen window support. This is used in video games to allow easy access to your second monitor without alt-tabbing. It's in windowed mode, but taking up the dimensions of your screen. Currently the top panel overlaps or pushes the window of the screen. If the panel would either allow windo
[19:19] <fisch246> if you have any questions about what i mean, feel free to ask
[19:21] <anpok_> your line was cut off after ".. allow windo"?
[19:21] <anpok_> why without alt-tabbing?
[19:22] <fisch246> "allow windows to overlap (which can cause problems) or allow a way for games and windows to tell mir that it is in borderless mode. When it gets this flag it should then draw the window over the panel instead of allowing all windows to do so."
[19:22] <anpok_> btw that would be a feature request for unity8.. and I believe the plan for unity8 desktop mode includes that feature..
[19:23] <fisch246> ah so that's DE not display server?
[19:23] <davmor2> fisch246: you can do fullscreen on Ubuntu now
[19:23] <fisch246> yea fullscreen works, but i use 2 monitors
[19:24] <fisch246> so if i need to move my cursor off to answer a message or answer a call from skype, my game closes
[19:24] <AlbertA> vogons: I need at least one review for: https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/0.13/+merge/262262
[19:24] <kdub> looking
[19:25] <fisch246> i'm stuck in the game when it's fullscreen mode
[19:26] <fisch246> i'm trying to come back to ubuntu from arch, but this is the last issue that's stopping me
[19:26] <fisch246> but anyway, so you think i should go check on the unity team to see if they're working on this?
[19:27] <kdub> AlbertA, lgtm, but why does launchpad have those 5 bugs as related? I don't see those patches in the diff
[19:27] <AlbertA> kdub: for some reason it lists the previous resolved bugs from earlier merges
[19:29] <AlbertA> kdub: thanks btw
[19:29] <kdub> AlbertA, yep, no problem
[19:50] <kgunn_> racarr_: so i'm a little confused, wrt adding raw event client api, is mirevent2 cleanedup to the point that can proceed ?
[19:50] <kgunn_> e.g. is it blocked or no ?
[20:20] <racarr_> kgunn_: I think it's unblocked enough!
[20:20] <racarr_> it's sort of a matter of like
[20:20] * kgunn_ loves good news
[20:20] <racarr_> a month ago it would have been obtusely difficult
[20:20] <racarr_> now there are some minor difficulties
[20:20] <racarr_> post libinput and some other stuff
[20:20] <racarr_> it could probably get even easier
[20:20] <racarr_> but I think it's 'unblocked'
[20:26] <AlbertA> racarr_: slangasek is complainging about papi build failures (seems related to event headers) in the #ubuntu-ci-eng channel
[20:26] <AlbertA> might want to join....
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-ko
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[00:01] <HolyKnight> 펌)현업이 이쁜여자들이 많아서
[00:01] <HolyKnight> 열정적으로 현업의 요구사항을
[00:01] <HolyKnight> 전부 맞추는중입니다 *^^*
[00:01] <HolyKnight> 콜센터 플젝 은 사랑입니다
[00:03] <autowiz> 으흐흐흐
[00:04] <autowiz> 나는 왜 남자들하고만 일하고 있지 ㅠㅠ
[00:40] <autowiz> 안녕하세요 오늘도 아침해가 밝았습니다.
[00:40] <autowiz> 수고들 하십시요~~
[00:41] <HolyKnight> ㅎㅇㅇ
[01:17] <ipeter> 혹시 파이썬 하시는분들 있나요?
[01:17] <ipeter> 2.대를 쓰는게 좋을까요
[01:17] <ipeter> 3.대를 쓰는게 좋을까요?
[01:24] <Work^Seony> 상황에 따라 다르겠지만, 일단은 2를 추천해드립니다
[01:24] <ipeter> Work^Seony: 감사합니다!!
[01:24] <Work^Seony> 일단, 장고가 아직 2.x 기반이구요,
[01:24] <ipeter> =)
[01:24] <Work^Seony> 대부분의 툴이나 프로그램들이 아직도 2로 나와요
[01:24] <ipeter> 음...도대체 3과의 관계는 어찌될까요?
[01:24] <Work^Seony> 어차피 2에서 3로 변환시켜주는 툴이 있기 때문에, 나중에 적응하시면 됩니다.
[01:24] <ipeter> 호환이 안된다고 알고 있습니다.
[01:25] <Work^Seony> 아뇨 호환이 안되는건 아니구요
[01:25] <Work^Seony> 뭔 루비도 아니고 ㅎㅎ
[01:25] <Work^Seony> 함수 몇개의 사용법이 바뀌었다거나, 문법이 약간 바뀐 정도지, 호환이 안되는 수준은 아니에요
[01:26] <ipeter> 학교 이메일을 사용하니
[01:26] <ipeter> 젯브레인 툴들이 1년간 무료네요.
[01:26] <ipeter> =_=
[01:26] <ipeter> 파이썬 툴 한번 이용해봐야겠습니다.
[01:27] <Work^Seony> 젯브레인 툴은 뭐에요?
[01:27] <ipeter> 아...
[01:27] <ipeter> 젯브레인이라고, 회사요.
[01:27] <ipeter> 젯브레인 툴이 아니라요.
[01:27] <ipeter> 제가 잘못썼네요.
[01:27] <ipeter> IDE만드는 회사요.
[01:28] <Work^Seony> 자바쪽 관련된 소프트웨어 개발툴을 만드는 곳이군요..
[01:29] <ipeter> 근데 루비, 프론트엔드쪽,
[01:29] <ipeter> 파이썬 툴
[01:29] <ipeter> 다 나옵니다.
[01:29] <ipeter> 형상관리 툴도 나오구요
[01:29] <Work^Seony> 그렇군요..
[01:29] <ipeter> 생각보다 인기가 대단하더라구요.
[01:29] <Work^Seony> 저는 소프트웨어 개발은 해보질 않아서 그쪽은 잘 모르겠지만, IDE라는게 개발할 때 꼭 필요한 것인갑네요..
[01:29] <Work^Seony> 저는 걍 에디터 정도만 써보다보니 ㅎㅎ
[03:25] <samahui_ws> 점심 맛나게들 드시고 오후에도 화이팅! 입니다
[03:33] <ipeter> razGon_MINILA: 휴...셀트리온 오늘 불기둥 솟아서 그냥 털고 나왔습니다.
[03:34] <ipeter> 15만원돈 푼돈쥐고 나왔네요.
[05:09] <razGon_MINILA> 잘하셧는데요. 조금더 들고 가셔도....
[05:10] <ipeter> 너무 비싸게주고사서(잘못 시기 선택) 그냥 홀가분히 다시 시작하려고 나왔어요.
[05:10] <ipeter> 한군데는 오히려 발도 못빼고 있어요.
[05:10] <ipeter> ㅎㅎㅎ
[05:11] <ipeter> 그리스 부도설 때문에
[05:11] <ipeter> 빠져 나올 수 있을때 나오는게 상책일듯 싶어요.
[05:11] <ipeter> 모르죠 뭐... 참 어려운것 같습니다.
[05:29] <razGon_MINILA> ㅇㅇ 잘하셧다는게 그ㅡ겁니다ㅏ.
[05:35] <PotatoGim^Phone> 안녕하세요~
[05:36] <PotatoGim^Phone> 지하철인데 우분투 유저를 발견했습니다.
[05:37] <autowiz> 거울 보고 계시는건 아니시지요? ㅠㅠ
[05:37] <autowiz> ㅎㅎ
[05:38] <PotatoGim^Phone> 설마요...ㅠ
[05:38] <PotatoGim^Phone> 리브레오피스로 분노의 타이핑 하시는 중...
[05:39] <PotatoGim^Phone> 이용약관 같은 것을 번역 중이신데...
[05:50] <autowiz> 멋지시네요 ㅎㅎ
[05:54] <HolyKnight> @elsweyr_kr: 최근 전자쪽 사장들 사이에서 얘기나오는건 연가/월차 집중제. 산업 특성이 시장 판매량에 민감하게 변한덕분에 정직원들도 연차좀 몰아쓰게 하는방법 없나를 연구중이심
[05:55] <HolyKnight> @SBS8news: 조양호(66) 한진그룹 회장이 '땅콩 회항' 사건으로 사회적으로 물의를 빚었던 조현아(41) 전 대한항공 부사장이 향후 경영에 복귀할 수 있음을 시사했습니다.
[05:55] <HolyKnight> http://news.sbs.co.kr/news/endPage.do?news_id=N1003029339 pic.twitter.com/7VlXMkgcE9
[06:09] <PotatoGim^Phone> 캬... 역시 지옥불반도!
[06:31] <commania> 안녕하세요..
[06:31] <commania> 인터넷 수리했습니다
[06:31] <commania> 어제 SSH 접속이 안됐던것은 역시 집 유선망의 문제였네요...
[06:38] <bluedusk> 음?
[06:45] <commania> 네 말 그대로...
[06:46] <commania> 집에 돌아와보니 인터넷이 끊겨있었습니다.
[06:46] <commania> 정작 기사 왔다가고 아이피 주소 확인하니 그대로...
[07:00] <autowiz> 그냥 장애가 나거나 접촉불량이 생기는 경우도 있을 수 있지요
[07:01] <ircCloud^Seony> 애꿎은 기사만 왔다갔다 했군요
[07:03] <ircCloud^Seony> 이번에 출시하는 배트맨 아캄나이트는 리눅스에서도 플레이가 되나보네요
[07:04] <ircCloud^Seony> 아 이거 콘솔용으로 살까 스팀에서 살까 급 고민되네요
[07:04] <autowiz> 여건이 되면 리눅스로 한번 해보고 싶네요
[07:04] <ircCloud^Seony> 권장사양은 코어 i7-3770에 GTX 760이네요
[07:05] <ircCloud^Seony> 근데 최소사양이 코어 i5-750에 GTX 650 ㅎㅎ
[07:11] <commania> 기사는 왔다 갔어야 했죠
[07:11] <commania> 아파트 배선 문제였습니다. 한 시간 가까이 배선을 손본 다음에야 다시 인터넷이 되더라고요
[07:13] <ircCloud^Seony> 스팀판으로 사서, 사무실에서도 플레이 할까요? ㅋㅋ
[07:14] <ircCloud^Seony> 사무실 제 컴퓨터 그래픽카드가 쿼드로 k4000 이긴한데, 그래도 게임하는데 지장은 없겠죠... ㅎㅎ
[07:18] <ircCloud^Seony> 근데, 제 맥프로에 달린 그래픽카드가 게임하기 좋은 칩셋은 아니네요...
[07:20] <ircCloud^Seony> 콘솔용으로 사야겠꾼요 ㅋ
[07:20] <razGon_MINILA> 그정도만 되도 충분하지 않나요?
[07:21] <razGon_MINILA> 맥은 그래픽기능에 신경을 많이 쓴거 같던데요
[07:21] <ircCloud^Seony> 옵션 적당히 타협하면 사실 충분하죠...
[07:21] <razGon_MINILA> 물론 초고사양은 아니겟지만
[07:21] <ircCloud^Seony> 맥프로에 들어가는 Firepro라는 그래픽카드가, 게임하는 그래픽카드랑 연산능력이 다르다네요
[07:22] <ircCloud^Seony> 그러니까, 맥프로 그래픽은 렌더링이라던가 동영상 파일 같은 것을 다루는데 주요한 능력을 발휘하는 카드라고 해요.
[07:25] <razGon_MINILA> 그렇군요. 분야가 다른 것이군요
[07:26] <ircCloud^Seony> 네 그렇다고 하더라구요 ㅎㅎ
[07:32] <razGon_MINILA> 아.. 요즘은 제가 에너지와 열정이 소진되었습니다...ㅠㅠ
[07:32] <razGon_MINILA> 뭐하는건지... 왜사는가? 라는 존재적회의에.
[07:32] <ircCloud^Seony> 무슨 일이 있으셨나봐요
[07:32] <cheesekun> 안녕하세요! :-)
[07:33] <ircCloud^Seony> 안녕하세요
[07:36] <HolyKnight> 서니찡 ㅎㅇㅇ
[07:37] <autowiz> 쿼드로도 게임보다는 그래픽 작업에 맞춰져 있다고 듣긴 했습니다.
[07:37] <autowiz> 4차선 초고속 도로랑 16차선 저속도로는 그 특징이 좀 다르지요
[07:38] <ircCloud^Seony> 그런거군요
[07:38] <autowiz> 아니 저는 뭐 그냥 주워들은거라 ㅠㅠ
[07:45] <razGon_MINILA> 뭐 큰일은 아니고 요즘 엉망진창 되는 거 같아서요..
[07:45] <razGon_MINILA> 일은 일대로 하는데, 잘되는데, 제가 하고 싶은게 아니여서요.
[07:45] <razGon_MINILA> 영혼없는 진료중입니다.. 부끄럽지만요.
[07:46] <razGon_MINILA> 그런다고 해서 환자에 대해서 고민이 없는 건 아니지만,
[07:47] <razGon_MINILA> 그런거죠. 삼국지에서 어려운 시기 다거치고 2/3를 차지해서 시간이 결국은 승리하는 그런시기 같은.
[07:47] <autowiz> 그래도 누군가를 치료한다는건 참 뿌듯할거 같아요
[07:47] <razGon_MINILA> 물론 고민도 있고 문제도 있지만.... 그건 진료외적인 그리고 어찌 할수 없는 문제고요
[07:48] <razGon_MINILA> 뭘 바꿔야 하는데 바꿔지는 것도 아니고 해서요
[07:48] <autowiz> 다시 하시거나 , 수정이 불가능 하다면 ... 저도 이말 참 싫어하지만 받아들이는 수 밖에 없을지도 모르지요
[07:52] <autowiz> 특히나 틀린 부분이 아닌 , 성격이 다르다거나 그런건 고쳐지지도 않고 고쳐야할 문제가 아니기도 하고
[07:52] <autowiz> 불편은한데 혼자힘으론 어떻게 되는것도 아니고.
[07:53] <bluedusk> 제 무릅도 고치고 싶어요
[07:53] <bluedusk> ㅠ_ㅠ
[07:54] <autowiz> 어디가 어떻게 불편하신가요
[07:57] <bluedusk> 무릅 십자인대 파열이요
[07:57] <bluedusk> 왼쪽 전방 십자인대 파열
[07:57] <bluedusk> ceph cache-tier 해둔 data는 언제 flush 되는거지?
[07:59] <razGon_MINILA> ㅎㄷㄷ
[07:59] <razGon_MINILA> 전방십자인대 파열.
[08:00] <razGon_MINILA> 입신자 술법.
[08:00] <razGon_MINILA> 신의 아들로 입적시키는...
[08:00] <razGon_MINILA> 무릎이 어떻게 아프신데요?
[08:02] <bluedusk> 음 뒤로 완전히 굽혀지지 않아요
[08:02] <bluedusk> 앞으로 힘줘서 쫙 펴지기는 하는데
[08:02] <razGon_MINILA> 아 그러면
[08:02] <bluedusk> 좀 뻐근하다고 해야 하나
[08:02] <bluedusk> 그리고 뜀빡질같은거 할때..
[08:02] <razGon_MINILA> 햄스트링쪽에 마사시해주시ㅣ구요.
[08:02] <bluedusk> 무릅을 자꾸 삔다고 해야 하나.;
[08:03] <razGon_MINILA> 그리ㅣ고 앞에 대퇴직근쪽에 따뜻하게 해주세요
[08:03] <bluedusk> 수슬 안하고 버티고 있는데
[08:03] <bluedusk> 수슬 해야 하나 고민중이에요ㅠ ㅠ
[08:03] <razGon_MINILA> 십자인대가 후방십자인대쪽과 유착이 일어나서 그럴겁니다.
[08:03] <razGon_MINILA> 수술하셔야 될겁니다. 안해도 살긴 하지만, 고령으로 가는 길목에서
[08:03] <bluedusk> 헐.. 유착..정경유착같은 ..
[08:04] <razGon_MINILA> 유착때문에 무릎이 안굽혀지는 것도 있고요.
[08:04] <razGon_MINILA> 햄스트링이나 대퇴직근의 문제도 있는경우도 많아요
[08:05] <autowiz> 물리치료정도로 호전될 수 있는지 수술을 해야만하는지
[08:05] <autowiz> 알아봐보시고 수술을 해야만 한다면 시간 여유있으실때 해버리는게 낫지 않을까 싶습니다.
[08:05] <razGon_MINILA> 수술은 하셔야 할겁니다.
[08:10] <bluedusk> http://www.hidoc.co.kr/healthqna/view/C0000078197
[08:10] <bluedusk> 무릅 십자인대는 회복이 안되는군요
[08:10] <bluedusk> 아흨
[08:12] <razGon_MINILA> 인대 회복하는게 아시는 바와 같이 프롤로나 PRP인데 PRP는 통증이 심하고 비싸지만 효과는 있습니다.
[08:13] <bluedusk> prp는 첨들어보는데요
[08:13] <razGon_MINILA> 다만 우리나라에서 정형외과에서는 비수술적인 치료법이라서 이부분에 대한 치료를 인정안합니다.
[08:14] <razGon_MINILA> 자가혈의 체내 혈소판을 응집해서 추출 재주사 하는 것입니다.
[08:14] <razGon_MINILA> 무쟈게 아파요.
[08:14] <razGon_MINILA> 부위가 그부위면 아주 실력있는 의사에게 해야 합니다.
[08:14] <razGon_MINILA> 부위가 좀 어려운 부위
[08:14] <bluedusk> 음.. 십자인대에도 효과가 있을까요?
[08:15] <razGon_MINILA> 효과는 있습니다만. 문제는 부위가 어려운 부위..
[08:16] <bluedusk> 쩝.. 실력있는 의사분 찾는것도 어렵겠네요..
[08:16] <razGon_MINILA> 그렇죠
[08:16] <autowiz> 제가 배워서 오겠습니다.
[08:17] <bluedusk> 그리고 인터넷 검색해보니
[08:17] <bluedusk> 십자인대에는 거의 잘 안해준다고 하네요
[08:17] <bluedusk> 정식적인 치료법 자체가 아니라고
[08:20] <razGon_MINILA> ㅇㅇ
[08:20] <razGon_MINILA> 그게 어려운 부위라서 그래요.
[08:21] <razGon_MINILA> 확률이 낮은 부위라서요.
[08:21] <razGon_MINILA> 회당 30만원 치료에 졸라 아프고 3회 치료햇어요.
[08:21] <razGon_MINILA> 근데 회복이 안되면....ㅠㅠ
[08:21] <razGon_MINILA> 그래서 잘안해줘요
[08:27] <bluedusk> ...
[08:27] <bluedusk> 뭐 실비보험들어가있으니
[08:27] <bluedusk> 병원비는 문제될거 없구요
[08:28] <bluedusk> 좀 잘하는 병원 수소문 해봐야겟네요
[08:28] <bluedusk> 더 늦기전에
[08:35] <razGon_MINILA> 라파메디앙스가 좋기는 한데요. 실비가 안됩니다. PRP는요
[08:46] <bluedusk> 아 그래요?
[08:46] <bluedusk> 병원비는 무조건 100% 보장되는줄 알았는데요
[09:34] <autowiz> 팀뷰어 포트는 동적으로 왔따갔다 하지 않을까 싶은데 이거 막을려면 시그니쳐로 막아야 하지 않을까요?
[09:34] <autowiz> 아니면 팀뷰어 중계 서버 ip 목록을 뽑은다음에 다 차단해도 될거 같기도 한데 이건 좀 귀찮을거 같은데요 ㅠㅠ
[13:04] <LinDol> 컁컁
[13:06] <jason_kr> ^^
[13:18] <LinDol> jason_kr, 안녕하세요 제이슨옹 :)
[13:27] <pchero_work> 린돌옹 안녕하세요. :)
[13:27] <LinDol> pchero_work, 피씨영웅옹 안녕하세요 :)
[13:28] <pchero_work> ㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎ
[14:14] <autowiz> 안녕들하세요~
[18:33] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[18:36] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[19:13] <cheesekun> 안녕하세요! :D
[19:40] <autowiz> 안녕하세요
[23:12] <Work^Seony> 담달에 건물 전체 전기를 2일동안 중단할거라는데, Ceph 클러스터 셧다운 시킬 생각하니까 벌써부터 스트레스네요...
[23:15] <HolyKnight> http://kko.to/pJOKd93Ww
[23:16] <Work^Seony> ㅋㅋㅋ 재밌네요
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.558159
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-release
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[10:53] <flexiondotorg> stgraber, I would like to have an 15.10 Alpha 1 for Ubuntu MATE. I am not clear what I need to do in order to make that happen.
[10:54] <flexiondotorg> stgraber, I have people ready to do test and update the ISO Tracker for Ubuntu MATE. But I an unclear if all flavours need to participate in Alpha 1 or if Ubuntu MATE can go it alone?
[10:58] <infinity> flexiondotorg: It's up to each flavour if they want to participate. Responding to his mail on ubuntu-release@lists would be nice.
[11:03] <cjwatson> y
[11:03] <cjwatson> sigh
[18:20] <stgraber> turning off rebuild-requests to look into Laney's problem
[18:22] <stgraber> Laney: so it's currently running:
[18:22] <stgraber> ARCHES=amd64 i386 armhf DIST=wily for-project ubuntu-desktop-next cron.daily-preinstalled --live
[18:22] <stgraber> so the problem is the sub-project
[18:36] <stgraber> SUB_PROJECT=system-image ARCHES=amd64 i386 armhf DIST=wily for-project ubuntu-desktop-next/system-image cron.daily-preinstalled --live
[18:36] <stgraber> Laney: that should do the trick ^ cron re-enabled
[20:53] <Laney> stgraber: did you test it?
[20:53] <Laney> cron runs: SUBPROJECT=system-image for-project ubuntu-desktop-next cron.daily-preinstalled --live
[20:54] <ogra_> Laney, how do you make your changes to cdimage usually ?
[20:54] <ogra_> ah, other channel
[20:54] <Laney> commit, push, bzr up/pull
[20:56] <stgraber> Laney: oh yeah, looks like I messed up, kinda odd I didn't get a failure mail
[20:56] <stgraber> Laney: fixing
[20:57] <Laney> thanks!
[21:04] <stgraber> that looks better. Build running now
[21:05] <Laney> great
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-motu
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[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.564620
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2015-06-17-#lubuntu
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[02:18] <jay2324> what is the command to disable the webcam on a laptop ?
[02:20] <jay2324> i tried blacklist uvcvideo but that disabled my keyboard and the webcam
[10:20] <books> hi is uniti 3d available in lubuntu old systems?
[20:36] <books> why when I click google chrome in lubuntu dalays too much to open?
[20:36] <books> delays
[20:37] <books> too much to open?
[20:52] <ianorlin> books: does everything else load fast?
[20:52] <ianorlin> is it trying to restore lots of tabs
[20:52] <books> I think it loads fast
[20:52] <books> but if it loads it runs fast
[20:52] <books> however delays to start
[20:52] <books> when I first click it
[20:52] <books> from plank
[20:53] <books> I wait a lot
[20:53] <books> to open
[20:53] <books> I dont know why it delays to open
[20:54] <books> is it a problem of plank?
[20:54] <books> well it does not restore
[20:55] <books> it is a new window
[20:55] <books> and I click it and wait
[20:55] <books> to open
[20:57] <krytarik> books: Please try and keep as much of your info as possible on one line - easier to follow for everyone.
[20:57] <books> yes ok
[20:59] <books> I boot pc, I click chrome icon in plank, and chrome does not open, I wait some time and then chrome opens, and runs ok
[20:59] <books> why it takes too much time to open?
[23:34] <MrKlown> hello people. i keep having issues with lubuntu software center. as soon as i try to install anything i get authentication failure errors and it's not even giving me a chance to put a password in
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.567737
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-pl
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[12:28] <nehemiasz> Co tu taka cisza?
[12:28] <gjm> bo tak
[12:28] <nehemiasz> Coś taki nie miły gjm?
[12:30] <gjm> "nie" z przymiotnikami piszemy łącznie
[12:39] <nehemiasz> gjm, dziękuję :)
[12:39] <nehemiasz> gjm, dlaczego jesteś taki niemiły?
[12:40] <gjm> ja? ja jestem bardzo miły
[12:41] <nehemiasz> skoro tak uważasz ;)
[14:30] <kazimiera> alo:)
[14:31] <kazimiera> Mam strone pdf w dziwnym rozmiarze i chce ja wydrukowac jako kilka A4 (taka mam drukarke)
[14:32] <kazimiera> Mam programik znaleziony pdfposter ale nie bardzo wiem co wklepac zeby sie udalo ;(
[14:33] <nehemiasz> ty chcesz podzielić jeden plik?
[14:35] <kazimiera> Hmmm chyba tak. Jesli dobrze Cie zrozumialam. To jest (559 × 432 mm) a drukarka drukuje A4 a chce zeby rozmiar byl oryginalny. Wiec wydrukuje sobie w A4 i skleje ;)
[14:36] <nehemiasz> Hmmm
[14:36] <nehemiasz> aż pobiorę, poczekaj
[14:37] <kazimiera> W libreoffice jest drukuj na wielu stronach opcja ale drukuje mi tylko jakis kawalek 1 ;/
[14:38] <nehemiasz> bo ten pdfposter Ci jakos to przekonweruje.
[14:38] <nehemiasz> przekonwertuje*
[14:38] <nehemiasz> Kurcze nie mam takiego wielkiego pdf żadnego
[14:39] <kazimiera> Narysuj cos w gimpie czy libreoffice na jakims dziwnym formacie i wyeksportuj jako pdf ;)
[14:40] <kazimiera> Albo pobierz jakis plakat duzy czy tam obraz z sieci i wyeksportuj go do pdf.
[14:41] <kazimiera> Wazne zeby byl wiekszy niz A4 i podziel go tak zeby drukowal na A4 bez zmiany skali ;)
[14:42] <kazimiera> Ja nie umiem dobrac odpowiedniego polecenia. Siedze juz prawie godzine i wymiekam ;(
[14:42] <nehemiasz> czekaj
[14:42] <nehemiasz> cos takiego
[14:43] <nehemiasz> kurde nie ogarniam :D
[14:43] <nehemiasz> Nie możesz w gimpie sobie tego pociać?
[14:45] <kazimiera> To dokladny rysunek, dupne sie 1mm i bedzie lipa
[14:46] <nehemiasz> kazimiera, spróbuj pdfposter -mA4 plikwejsciowy.pdf plikwyjsciowy.pdf
[14:46] <nehemiasz> i sprawdz czy ci ladnie podzieli
[14:49] <kazimiera> cos nie dziala wynik mam strone z kreska posrodku :D
[14:55] <nehemiasz> a czekaj
[14:57] <nehemiasz> pdfposter -mA4 -p599x432mm wejscie.pdf wyjscie.pdf
[14:57] <nehemiasz> tak spróbuj
[15:01] <kazimiera> cos jest nie tak
[15:02] <kazimiera> teraz ta kreska jest porozrzucana po wszystkich stronach... Moze ten pdf jest jakis zepsuty ;/
[15:03] <kazimiera> Kurde, a moze wyciagnac z tego pdf obraz bo to w sumie obraz jest i pociac imagemagikiem ?
[15:04] <kazimiera> Chyba nehmiasz komputer zepsulam ;)
[21:39] <Hasov> Witam!
[21:39] <Hasov> Żyje tu ktoś :v?
[21:40] <Ashiren> eeyup
[21:40] <Hasov> Co tam ciekawego :D?
[21:40] <Ashiren> to nic ze 23:40, nikt tu nie ma zycia i siedza
[21:41] <Hasov> Koledzy poradzą mi coś :)?
[21:41] <Ashiren> archa
[21:41] <Hasov> XD
[21:41] <Hasov> Do serwera raczej archa nie użyję :D
[21:42] <Ashiren> :c
[21:42] <Hasov> A tak wogóle to czemu archa :D?
[21:43] <Ashiren> arch krolem linuxa
[21:43] <Ashiren> a jakie masz pytanie
[21:43] <Hasov> I dla fanów zabaw :D
[21:44] <Hasov> Jakieś rady dla nie zbyt ogarniętych ludzi w Debian/Ubuntu bo zmigrowałem z EL :v
[21:44] <Ashiren> yhym
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-kernel
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[16:20] <smoser> is it declared / decided what major.minor wily will be ?
[16:22] <rtg> smoser, likely 4.2
[16:23] <rtg> 99% sure
[16:23] <smoser> rtg, thank you.
[16:25] <smoser> rtg, silly related qestion
[16:25] <smoser> uname will show 4.2.0 ?
[16:26] <smoser> is .0 basically always now ? /me remembers this sort of
[16:26] <rtg> smoser, yup
[16:27] <rtg> smoser, /proc/version_signature shows the stable release version, e.g., 3.13.11-ckt20
[16:29] <infinity> smoser: To be fair, it's always been like this. As in, our uname never showed patchlevel.
[16:30] <infinity> smoser: It's just that it got a bit wonky when upstream switched from 3-part (plus pl) to 2-part (plus pl), but downstreams were scared to death (rightly so) of userspace exploding with a 2-part uname, so we tacked a fake .0 to the end of it. :P
[16:30] <smoser> that wasn't really what i was asking about.
[16:30] <smoser> more the change from 2.6.18 where major.minor.micro meant one thing to 3.19 where micro essentially is gone.
[16:31] <infinity> smoser: It's actually minor that's gone from that scheme.
[16:31] <infinity> If one wants to be a pedant.
[16:32] <infinity> But yeah, our workaround is confusing.
[16:33] <infinity> And probably worth revisiting some day, but I don't think anyone digs the task of "test all userspace software ever" to see if we can get away with just reporting "4.2".
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.583715
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-tr
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[18:43] <gulle> slmlr
[18:43] <gulle> söurceslistimi sildim yanlışlıla
[18:43] <gulle> nasıl yenısını oluştururum
[18:45] <gulle> vaz gectım buldum cevabı
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.585774
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2015-06-17-#lubuntu-devel
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[03:13] <ahoneybun> hey gsilvapt
[03:13] <ahoneybun> amd wxl
[03:13] <Unit193> What? No love for me?
[03:14] <ahoneybun> sorry
[03:14] * ahoneybun hugs Unit193
[03:14] <ahoneybun> lol
[03:14] <Unit193> Hah.
[03:15] <ahoneybun> tbh I doubt they would have answered anyway
[03:15] <ahoneybun> at this time
[03:15] <ahoneybun> Unit193: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-manual/trunk
[03:15] <Unit193> > make.bat
[03:16] <ahoneybun> yes?
[03:18] <ahoneybun> it is to use "make html" and such very easy
[03:18] <ahoneybun> Unit193: current work: http://imgur.com/zojWdrx
[03:19] <Unit193> Mhmm, the usual sphinx docs.
[03:24] <ahoneybun> yep lol
[03:25] <ahoneybun> I'm working on the installation guide that I started working on my own
[03:26] <ahoneybun> so much infomation
[20:07] <ianorlin> bug 1466191
[20:07] <ianorlin> happen both for a vm and on real hardware
[20:58] <ianorlin> hmm I don't get this on installs with unity
[20:58] <ianorlin> wxl ^^
[20:58] <Unit193> Because unity uses unity-greeter?
[20:59] <ianorlin> hmm what other flavors should I try Xubuntu mate?
[21:00] <Unit193> Right. Note that there was a major greeter release: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/2.0.1-1ubuntu1
[23:01] <ianorlyn> hmm it doesn't do it on installed versions after upgrading
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.588737
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu+1
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[07:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:57] <twager> Sysinfo for 'twager-Aspire-5552': Running against KDE Frameworks 5 on Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) powered by Linux 3.19.0-20-generic, CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) II P320 Dual-Core Processor at 800-1500/2100 MHz, RAM: 1932/2752 MB, Storage: 28/105 GB, 165 procs, 1.54h up
[07:58] * twager is watching Track 02 by The Orb with Dave Gilmour on Metallic Spheres [VLC media player]
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.591519
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"BluesKaj",
"lordievader",
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2015-06-17-#ubuntukylin-devel
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[06:20] <happyaron> ypwong jackyu cannot attend today due to a quiz...
[06:44] <jackyu> happyaron, 好的。
[07:07] <jzheng> jackyu, ping
[07:07] <jackyu> jzheng, pong
[07:07] <nudtrobert> ypwong FJKong happyaron jzheng 今天例会取消了，收到邮件没
[07:07] <jackyu> jzheng, 刚才robert发了邮件。。。。
[07:07] <happyaron> 收到了
[07:08] <jzheng> nudtrobert, jackyu: 刚刚看到了，好的，
[07:08] <FJKong> en
[07:08] <nudtrobert> 主要两位同事都不在，所以推到下周
[07:08] <jzheng> nudtrobert, ok
[07:08] <jzheng> ypwong, ^^
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.595805
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2015-06-17-#maas
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[00:38] <awojo> hi
[00:59] <awojo> If I setup DHCP through MAAS will it cause conflicts with my existing DHCP server
[05:57] <vibol> Hello,!
[05:58] <vibol> i use vmware to test maas ... maas requre power type to boot up the node
[05:59] <vibol> So any recommend for this ? i don't which power type should i choose and i don't know even power address or etc
[13:27] <dweaver> Trying the MAAS trusty hwe-v kernel using the daily images and the kernel panics on boot. See bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1465071
[14:28] <kiko> dweaver, you rock thanks
[14:28] <kiko> smoser, ^^
[14:41] <smoser> dweaver, fix is coming :)
[14:42] <smoser> dweaver, and actually, should be fixed i hope.
[14:52] <dweaver> kiko smoser, stellar, thank you so much ;)
[15:22] <smoser> dweaver, seems still busted even with 20150611, but it shoudlnt be. investigating.
[15:27] <kiko> plars, rvba thinks you have encountered a bug
[15:27] <plars> kiko: ah, ok
[15:27] <kiko> plars, however, we know that some custom images work, i.e. centos
[15:29] <rvba> kiko: plars: tbh, I'm not that familiar with the custom images code so I can't be sure this is a bug (maybe there is just something I'm missing)… and we don't have documentation for this feature unfortunately.
[15:30] <kiko> rvba, does anyone other than blake_r know?
[15:30] <rvba> kiko: roaksoax probably.
[15:31] <kiko> rvba, and other than him? :)
[15:32] <rvba> Nobody else really.
[16:05] <smoser> dweaver, luser error made me think it was still busted.
[16:05] <smoser> i think i booted too early and got old initramfs.
[16:05] <smoser> if it is not fixed for you, and you have
[16:05] <smoser> 20150611 for ubuntu/*/hwe-v/trusty
[16:05] <smoser> then please let me know.
[16:06] <dweaver> smoser, that version is in the daily images now?
[16:06] <smoser> yes.
[16:06] <smoser> refresh either from web ui, or cli (maas <maasname> boot-resources import)
[16:07] <smoser> it is only there for ~ 2 hours though.
[16:07] <dweaver> smoser, OK, I'll sync and have another go, if you don't hear anything else from me then you must be awesome and fixed it, thanks
[16:09] <dweaver> smoser, OK, syncing now.
[16:20] <mup> Bug #1465071 changed: Daily hwe-v kernel for trusty results in kernel panic when attempting to mount iscsi partition <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1465071>
[16:47] <mup> Bug #1466151 opened: MAAS unit tests (at a minimum) are broken when bonding driver is loaded <MAAS:In Progress by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466151>
[16:55] <rvba> plars: kiko: Actually you can't use 'ubuntu' as a prefix for your image name because the suffix isn't a valid series name.
[16:55] <rvba> plars: so just drop the 'ubuntu/' in front of your image. It should then show up under 'Custom'.
[16:55] <plars> interesting, I'll give it a try in a bit
[16:55] <plars> thanks rvba
[16:56] <rvba> plars: you can check that it's correctly synced by making sure /var/lib/maas/boot-resources/current/custom/amd64/generic/ contains the name of your image.
[16:56] <rvba> Welcome.
[17:16] <kiko`> thanks plars
[17:16] <kiko`> and thanks^2 rvba
[17:47] <mup> Bug #1466162 opened: commissioning error <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466162>
[19:24] <CrummyAdmin> Good Afternoon
[19:28] <CrummyAdmin> I am running an ubuntu server 14.04 instance with MAAS v1.5 as a virtual guest in Virtualbox. I am setting the regional controller, cluster controller, and dhcp server on the same server. eth0 is connected to the NAT network and has public internet connection. eth1 is reserved for the dhcp server. Scope for the NAT network is 10.0.2.0/24 so eth0 is 10.0.2.254 and eth1 is 10.0.2.3.
[19:31] <CrummyAdmin> eth1 is also a host-only network adapter. DHCP was working well though and assigning numbers in the 10.0.2.0/24 scope and I still had internet connection. After I ran dpkg-reconfigure maas-regional-controller and dpkg-reconfigure maas-cluster-controller and setup accordingly I can no long reach the public internet
[19:37] <CrummyAdmin> what is the best way to troubleshoot this?
[20:03] <kiko> CrummyAdmin, you can't reach the internet from the server, or from nodes provisioned from it?
[20:03] <kiko> also
[20:03] <kiko> don't use 1.5
[20:03] <kiko> use the stable PPA above
[20:21] <CrummyAdmin> I can't reach the internet from the server
[20:21] <CrummyAdmin> I still needed to download images for maas but am unable to currently
[20:22] <CrummyAdmin> Should I go ahead and upgrade maas even though I am currently having this issue or wait?
[20:22] <CrummyAdmin> I can just start from scratch again but would like to be able to troubleshoot for the experience
[20:31] <kiko> CrummyAdmin, you should upgrade maas regardless
[20:31] <kiko> it's a bit weird that your uplink went down -- how are your interfaces configured?
[20:39] <kiko> plars, did that work?
[20:40] <plars> kiko: not so far... it seems to be syncing?
[20:40] <plars> I ran:
[20:40] <plars> maas testmaas boot-resources create name=ci/wily architecture=amd64/generic content@=/tmp/wily-desktop-amd64.iso.tar.gz
[20:40] <plars> and I see it under images, but it's still under generated, not custom
[20:40] <kiko> plars, hmm, and are either doing something?
[20:40] <plars> and there's a circle next to it, when I hover, it says "waiting for clusters to sync"
[20:41] <kiko> okay
[20:41] <plars> is there a way to force that?
[20:41] <kiko> plars, is df changing? :)
[20:41] <kiko> no, it should happen automatically
[20:41] <mup> Bug #1466213 opened: commissioning output should show the output of lsblk and udevadm commands used to gather block device data <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466213>
[20:42] <plars> kiko: not quickly if it is
[20:42] <plars> kiko: this was many hours ago that I ran the create
[20:42] <kiko> plars, and the cluster is healthy, connected, etc?
[20:43] <plars> kiko: seems to be - it's just a small test system I set up locally
[20:43] <plars> kiko: just trying to figure out what options maas could provide for testing things based on daily isos
[20:45] <kiko> plars, I am sure we can do things to make things better
[20:58] <CrummyAdmin> eth0 static 10.0.2.254 gateway 10.0.2.3 dns-search google.com dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 netmask 255.255.255.0
[20:58] <CrummyAdmin> eth1 static 10.0.2.3 dns-search google.com dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 netmask 255.255.255.0
[21:01] <CrummyAdmin> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
[21:02] <CrummyAdmin> 0.0.0.0 10.0.2.3 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
[21:03] <CrummyAdmin> 10.0.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
[21:03] <CrummyAdmin> 10.0.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1
[21:04] <CrummyAdmin> that is my route -n output
[21:05] <CrummyAdmin> arp -a = "? (10.0.2.3) at <incomplete> on eth0
[21:23] <kiko> CrummyAdmin, you are really a crummy admin :-) you can't have two interfaces on the same network without special handling
[21:23] <kiko> CrummyAdmin, what is eth1 supposed to be doing?
[21:24] <kiko> CrummyAdmin, perhaps it's worth taking a step back and explaining your network setup
[21:25] <CrummyAdmin> I was going to make it a private subnet for the dhcp server but couldn't get internet so someone suggested issuing ip's from it that are on the same subnet so I would still get internet. up until configuring maas it seemed to be working okay lol I am pretty new at this and just doing this to learn
[21:26] <kiko> sure
[21:26] <kiko> so the right way to do that is to use the machine to also route from eth1 to eth0
[21:26] <kiko> if you shut down eth1 for now do you get your internet back?
[21:27] <kiko> what are eth0 and eth1 plugged into?
[21:27] <CrummyAdmin> So with virtualbox I have a nat network with dhcp turned off and the Network CIDR as 10.0.2.0/24. this is the connection to the public internet that my maas server has on eth0
[21:27] <kiko> ah
[21:27] <kiko> you are running maas inside virtualbox
[21:27] <kiko> I see
[21:28] <CrummyAdmin> No I used ifdown eth1 and try connection again and could not ping google.com
[21:28] <kiko> that's odd
[21:28] <CrummyAdmin> could a restart be necessary?
[21:28] <kiko> well
[21:28] <kiko> ping google.com is not a good test
[21:28] <kiko> can you ping 8.8.8.8?
[21:29] <CrummyAdmin> I have 3 physical servers at home I plan to deploy to but learning to configure in virtualbox while on the go seemed to be my best option for now
[21:29] <kiko> right
[21:29] <kiko> so most simple setups do the following:
[21:29] <kiko> - use a server with two interfaces for maas
[21:29] <CrummyAdmin> from 10.0.2.254 imcp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
[21:29] <kiko> - maas is configured to manage DHCP/DNS on one of those interfaces
[21:30] <kiko> - maas is configured to ignore the other interfaces
[21:30] <CrummyAdmin> okay yeah I told maas to use eth1
[21:30] <kiko> - you configure routing (and possibly NAT, though not in your case) to allow machines on the managed interface to get outside
[21:31] <kiko> right
[21:31] <CrummyAdmin> and I setup dhcp using isc-dhcp-server before hand then provided the config to maas within the web gui
[21:31] <kiko> oh
[21:31] <kiko> you shouldn't set up dhcp manually
[21:31] <kiko> maas does that for you
[21:31] <kiko> well, unless you really want to
[21:31] <kiko> but that is not a trivial undertaking
[21:31] <CrummyAdmin> Oh! I was wondering about that
[21:31] <kiko> you should also really be on 1.7
[21:31] <kiko> REALLY
[21:32] <kiko> I need to split tongiht
[21:32] <CrummyAdmin> I promise once I get a connection back I will upgrade immediately =)
[21:32] <kiko> heh
[21:32] <CrummyAdmin> k thanks for the suggestions I will google routing
[21:32] <kiko> so I'm not sure what is wrong -- eth1 down should have
[21:32] <kiko> scratch that
[21:32] <kiko> I know what is wrong
[21:32] <kiko> your default route is wrong
[21:33] <kiko> how are you configuring your networks
[21:33] <kiko> network manager?
[21:33] <kiko> or /etc/network/interfaces?
[21:33] <CrummyAdmin> all through terminal no gui
[21:33] <CrummyAdmin> yeah /etc/network/interfaces
[21:33] <kiko> ok
[21:34] <kiko> so if you look at your setup
[21:34] <kiko> you have a default route set up to the address of your eth1
[21:34] <kiko> that can't work
[21:34] <kiko> your default route needs to be the first hop external to you
[21:34] <kiko> which I would assume is 10.0.2.1
[21:34] <kiko> if you shut down eth1 and fix your default route you will have internet back
[21:35] <kiko> and later
[21:35] <CrummyAdmin> later thank you again!
[21:35] <kiko> you will need a second subnet which MAAS will manage, such as 10.0.3.0/24
[21:35] <CrummyAdmin> okay that's what I originally wanted to do
[21:35] <kiko> right
[21:35] <kiko> that should work
[21:36] <kiko> you don't even need to do anything to route if that's the config
[21:36] <kiko> as packets coming in from eth1 that are intended for outside will be told to go to your default route, which is reachable by eth0
[21:36] <CrummyAdmin> so what would 10.0.2.1 be if dhcp is turned off on the nat network and my dhcp server is currently 10.0.2.3
[21:36] <kiko> well
[21:37] <kiko> if you are sure eth1 is down
[21:37] <kiko> can you ping 10.0.2.3?
[21:37] <CrummyAdmin> should I turn dhcp back on for the nat network. Yes eth1 is down
[21:37] <CrummyAdmin> nope host unreachable at the moment
[21:38] <kiko> dhcp is turned off where? outside the virtualbox?
[21:38] <kiko> I think testing this inside a VM is much harder fwiw
[21:38] <CrummyAdmin> virtualbox has a virtual network that you can enable dhcp on and virtual box will distribute addresses like a router from the virtual adapter
[21:39] <CrummyAdmin> that is what eth0 is connected to
[21:39] <kiko> sure
[21:39] <kiko> what is the gateway address supposed to be on that network?
[21:40] <kiko> if it's 10.0.2.3, when you should be reaching it from eth0
[21:40] <kiko> but perhaps you confused virtualbox when you added a second interface with that same address
[21:40] <CrummyAdmin> virtual box uses 10.0.2.1 as the gateway I believe
[21:41] <CrummyAdmin> if it is turned on to handle it
[21:41] <kiko> can you ping 10.0.2.1?
[21:41] <CrummyAdmin> yes
[21:41] <kiko> okay
[21:41] <kiko> then make that your default route
[21:41] <kiko> your gateway in /e/n/i speak
[21:41] <kiko> your internet will come back
[21:42] <CrummyAdmin> okay
[21:42] <CrummyAdmin> and it did!
[21:43] <CrummyAdmin> sweet thank you! Takeaways: let maas configure dhcp, keep both nic on seperate subnets, use routing to configure default route and enable public internet on both nics
[21:44] <CrummyAdmin> and upgrade my maas install
[21:46] <kiko> correct
[21:46] <kiko> uhh
[21:46] <kiko> no
[21:47] <kiko> don't enable public internet on both nics
[21:47] <kiko> well
[21:47] <kiko> yes
[21:47] <kiko> I think you can't basically
[21:50] <CrummyAdmin> Sorry for dropping kiko, thanks again for your assistance. Huge help
correct
uhh
no
don't enable public internet on both nics
well
yes
I think you can't basically
[21:51] <kiko> did you get that CrummyAdmin?
[21:51] <kiko> maas should route
[21:51] <kiko> not virtualbox
[21:52] <CrummyAdmin> okay I make up a name of an adapter in the maas web gui correct then put in the details for the subnet I would like it to create on eth1 the private subnet and let it do it's thing
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-fi
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[04:12] <markosu> Päivitin tuossa useita koneita 12.04 versiosta 14.04 versioon, nyt jostain syystä on alkanut esiintymään ongelmia usb massamuistien kanssa (kovo ja muistitikut) että ne tunnistuu read-only tilaan tai tulee io ongelmia.. hardware ei ole muuttunut, onko vastaavia havaintoja muilla?
[04:14] <markosu> Koneet noin 5v vanhoja, mietin että onko usb controllereiden ajureihin tullut muutoksia
[05:02] <rhkfin> markosu: varmasti tullut muutoksia
[05:03] <rhkfin> Mut ei kait niiden silti pitäis tuollaista aiheuttaa..
[05:03] <rhkfin> Sit googlailemaan virhekoodeilla lisätietoja..
[05:03] <StockAntenna> onko tuo tietyistä tikuista vai kaikista?
[05:03] <StockAntenna> mulla tuli tuollaista yhdestä tikusta ja sen tarkastus windowsin levyntarkastuksella palautti sen Ubuntussa kunnolla toimivaksi
[05:04] <rhkfin> markosu: jotain ajatuksia: http://askubuntu.com/questions/563764/usb-devices-showing-a-read-only
[05:06] <rhkfin> Äkkiseltään näyttäis että muillakin on tarkastustyökaluilla lähtenyt taas toimimaan tikut jne
[08:06] <ky_castillos1> ;-)
[08:23] <markosu> StockAntenna: Ei yhdessä tikussa eikä kaikissa tikuissa.. tosin eri tikkujen käyttöjen välillä on useita kuukausia niin muistikuvatkin voi olla vääristyneitä. Ainakin yhden microsd adapterin(normisd) kanssa tappelin useita kertoja. Taisin lopulta heittää roskiin adapterin
[08:24] <markosu> Ajattelin vaan että onko muilla vastaavia kokemuksia tai mielikuvia.
[08:28] <StockAntenna> mulla oli ainakin yhden sd-kortin ja tikun kanssa readonly-helvetti
[11:59] <ky_castillos> ;-)
[11:59] <ky_castillos> GM:;
[13:01] <ky_castillos> bueos dias..!!!
[13:14] <Mikaela> !it ky_castillos
[13:14] <Mikaela> ?
[13:15] <Mikaela> no bot?
[13:15] <Mikaela> what I mean to say is that this is Finnish support channel for Ubuntu
[13:15] <Mikaela> !it | ky_castillos
[13:15] <Mikaela> weird syntax and umode +g blocking warning about it
[13:24] <ninnnu> plääh
[13:24] <ninnnu> Eiks Ubuntun svn:ssä ole kerberos-tukea
[13:25] <ninnnu> vai mitä mä en osaa
[13:31] <ninnnu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/subversion/+bug/1303167 ei sit.
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-unity
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[11:01] <mzanetti> ltinkl, hey, checklist! https://code.launchpad.net/~josharenson/unity8/integrated_lightdm_refactor/+merge/260588
[11:01] <mzanetti> :)
[11:01] <ltinkl> oy
[11:02] <ltinkl> mzanetti, to my defense, this was long ago ;) even before I started
[11:02] <mzanetti> :)
[11:02] <mzanetti> granted
[11:29] <mzanetti> cimi, hey, can you fix this one? http://i.imgur.com/OPVOm5P.jpg
[11:30] <cimi> mzanetti, try changing to us i18n
[11:30] <mzanetti> ?
[11:30] <cimi> mzanetti, shorter words :D
[11:32] <mzanetti> cimi, this is nothing yet :D. look at this: http://i.imgur.com/Be9AHyV.jpg
[11:32] <cimi> omg
[11:33] <mzanetti> although I would say the translation isn't really good
[11:33] <mzanetti> anyhow, the proper one wouldn't be much shorter
[11:33] <davmor2> mzanetti: just use shorter words
[11:33] <mzanetti> another solution would be to not use Google, right?
[11:45] <ltinkl> mzanetti, cimi : wrap the text in 2 lines?
[11:45] <mzanetti> yeah, or elide it at least
[11:45] <ltinkl> and yes, I've seen that too
[11:45] <ltinkl> in the Czech translation
[11:46] <ltinkl> although not as bad :)
[11:46] <greyback> might not be a bad idea to clip the scope while switching between scopes
[11:47] <cimi> greyback, and performance?
[11:47] <cimi> greyback, scope switching is already slow
[11:48] <cimi> greyback, anyway, will be fixed with scopes as apps
[11:49] <greyback> cimi: clipping a single big rect will have tiny impact. Clipping is bad if you do it in list/gridview delegates, where lots of delegates are on screen (breaks batching)
[11:49] <greyback> but yeah
[11:50] <mzanetti> cimi, well no.. .the label still shouldn't reach out of the shape
[11:50] <greyback> wtf, why is there Scottish Gaelic as a language option, but no Irish Gaelic!
[11:53] <greyback> hmm there must be one guy doing the scottish gaelic translation. it's pretty good, just a few errors
[12:17] <dandrader> dednick, are you using the MockMirSurfaceItem?
[12:17] <dednick> dandrader: in my work yes
[12:17] <dandrader> dednick, I didn't detect this error as I'm only using the FakeMirSurfaceItem
[12:17] <dandrader> dednick, I found it much easier to use a fake than a google mock
[12:17] <dandrader> dednick, but, I'll fix it then
[12:18] <dandrader> s/but/but ok
[12:18] <dednick> dandrader: i need to verify that a call is made on the surface
[12:18] <dandrader> dednick, sure
[12:20] <dednick> mzanetti, greyback: i'm getting a very strange crash in the QSGRenderThread, but can't get a stack. any idea how to get a decent stack from that?
[12:21] <dednick> if i use a mousearea, it crashes, if i use a ubuntu button it doesnt. :/
[12:22] <mzanetti> odd
[12:22] <mzanetti> dednick, not sure why you don't get a stack trace, however, one difference that comes to my mind is that the ubuntu button takes activeFocus, while the mouseArea doesn't
[12:22] <dednick> and only on device, not desktop.
[12:22] <dandrader> dednick, dumb question: do you have the debug symbols installed?
[12:22] <dednick> some of them. qt5quick5-dbgsym is
[12:23] <dednick> and core & gui
[12:23] <dandrader> dednick, you also need glib
[12:23] * dandrader looks for his notes
[12:24] <dednick> dandrader: have that as well
[12:24] <dandrader> dednick, you need these: libc6-dbg libdbus-glib-1-2-dbg libglib2.0-0-dbg qtbase5-dbg qtdeclarative5-dbg libubuntu-app-launch2-dbgsym
[12:24] <dandrader> dednick, I made this list a while ago. might not be up to date anymore
[12:24] <dednick> hm. maybe because i'm using dbgsym
[12:25] <dandrader> I only used dednick dbgsym for packages that don't have a -dbg...
[12:27] <dednick> will give it a try
[12:31] <dandrader> dednick, the tons of deprecation warnings we are getting comes from the indicators. it seems that unity8 loads the indicators from somewhere else. where's this code?
[12:35] <greyback> dednick: qtdeclarative5-dbg the main one you'd need for a renderer crash, libglib2.0-0-dbg good too for tracing down into the event loop
[12:37] <greyback> dednick: usual reason for a renderer crash would be if a surface buffer has been deleted before it was removed from the scenegraph on the render thread
[12:49] <dandrader> greyback, can we get https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtubuntu/improve-resize/+merge/258912 in?
[12:49] <greyback> dandrader: superceded?
[12:49] <dandrader> greyback, I mean https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtubuntu/improve-resize/+merge/260950
[12:50] <greyback> dandrader: yeah ok, I'll give it a quick check
[12:50] <greyback> want to land a few things
[12:50] <dednick> dandrader: a lot of the indicator items are in ubuntu-settings-components
[12:51] <greyback> dandrader: src/ubuntumirclient/input.cpp has nativeEventTypeToStr commented out. Should it just be removed?
[12:51] <dandrader> greyback, it's useful when you want to debug things
[12:52] <greyback> dandrader: :how about #ifndef QT_NO_DEBUG ?
[12:52] <dandrader> greyback, not enough. it will complain about unused function
[12:53] <dandrader> greyback, but I don't care much. can remove if you want to
[12:53] <greyback> dandrader: it's used by the DLOG, which is also commented out. Can fix it with the QT_NO_DEBUG ifndef
[12:54] <greyback> it looks useful, let's not lose it
[12:54] <dandrader> greyback, I would also have to uncoment the DLOG, which will make debugging very verbose by default
[12:54] <greyback> dandrader: DLOG only prints if built with debug mode
[12:55] <greyback> #if !defined(QT_NO_DEBUG)
[12:55] <greyback> #define DLOG(...) LOG(__VA_ARGS__)
[12:55] <greyback> #else
[12:55] <greyback> #define DLOG(...) qt_noop()
[12:55] <dandrader> greyback, yes, but it will still make debug logs very verbose by default
[12:55] <dandrader> greyback, debug logs in debug builds
[12:55] <greyback> dandrader: debug mode is not the default
[12:56] <greyback> that's a dev's problem :)
[12:56] <greyback> if you need to go in to uncomment a useful chunk of code, you can also go in to comment out a DLOG line that's useless
[12:58] <dandrader> greyback, didn't quite get you. the thing is: I usually don't want those "UbuntuInput::customEvent(type=%s)" messages printed on every single event when I'm debugging qtubuntu
[12:59] <dandrader> greyback, and that's why it's commented out. it's too verbose
[12:59] <greyback> dandrader: ok, it'll do, leave it
[13:02] <dandrader> greyback, to make things prettier I could surround nativeEventTypeToStr and that DLOG with a "#if VERBOSE_DEBUG" or something...
[13:03] <greyback> dandrader: only if you want to. It's not worth arguing about :)
[13:03] <greyback> dednick: are you using this: https://code.launchpad.net/~gerboland/qtubuntu/window-close-support/+merge/249579 ? If itt's ok, please approve it and I'll try landing now
[13:04] <dednick> greyback: ya. ok
[13:04] <greyback> ta
[13:04] <dednick> greyback: done
[13:05] <dandrader> greyback, hmmm there's already a "#define LOG_EVENTS 0" there, which I can use
[13:06] <greyback> dandrader: again, only if you want to. It's too minute a detail to really care about
[13:07] <dandrader> doing it alread
[13:07] <dandrader> already
[13:07] <greyback> :)
[13:08] <dandrader> done
[13:09] <dednick> weird. not crashing now :/
[13:11] <dednick> oh. that's because the problem is in media-hub/qtubuntu-media which were downgraded on reflash
[14:43] <greyback> dednick: you don't get any stacktrace? or the stacktrace is useless - no valid frames?
[14:44] <dednick> greyback: just a bunch of ?
[14:44] <dednick> 2 to be exact
[14:44] <greyback> dednick: ok, gdb unable to figure out the trace
[14:44] <dednick> ya
[14:44] <greyback> that might imply it crashes in the android/hybris side
[14:44] <greyback> which gdb can't figure out, as different ABI
[14:50] <greyback> dednick: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Core/UbuntuDebugAndroid if you fancy a go
[14:50] <dednick> greyback: cool. thanks
[14:52] <dandrader> mzanetti, do you know about these errors? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/unity8-wily-i386-ci/94/console
[14:52] <dandrader> mzanetti, "tests/plugins/Utils/modeltest.h LGPL (v2.1) *No copyright*" etc
[14:52] <mzanetti> dandrader, yes, on it right now
[14:52] <dandrader> mzanetti, is it a bug in the script?
[14:52] <mzanetti> dandrader, the licensecheck tool was updated and fails when a / is in the copyright line
[16:58] <dandrader> greyback, kgunn, I think I can't work on the shell cursor yet. mir doesn't have a mouse input event type. I has only pointer.
[17:02] <greyback> dandrader: you'd best liaise with racarr/anpok to describe your requirements and get them on that job
[19:32] <fisch246> is fullscreen boderless window support coming to unity8? windows in windowed mode that takes up the entire screen and overlap the top panel.
[19:33] <fisch246> it's a feature used by video games
[19:34] <fisch246> honestly the only thing stopping me from playing games on ubuntu
[19:36] <bschaefer> a normal fullscreen app will remove this IIRC (when i was testing some SDL stuff on unity8)
[19:36] <bschaefer> just like how the camera app works
[19:36] <bschaefer> ie. no border
[19:36] <fisch246> yea but a fullscreen app requires me to alt tab in order to get access to my second screen
[19:37] <fisch246> so if i'm waiting for friends to join me in a game, i'd have to alt tab just to accept their skype call
[19:37] <bschaefer> then im not sure :), i've not seen if theres a borderless option atm
[19:38] <bschaefer> also IIRC, fullscreen in mir will not change the res of the screen it self
[19:39] <bschaefer> soo that means in a sense they are already fullscreen borderless, the window just have to be the right size
[19:39] <bschaefer> as far as mouse grabbing there wont be any of that, and its still in the works on how relative mouse support will work
[19:40] <bschaefer> soo you'll just need to move your mouse over to skype and all will work
[19:40] <fisch246> oh that sounds nice
[19:40] <bschaefer> still some things that need to work out for games :)
[19:41] <fisch246> i hope wine will work the same way. if you fullscreen wine it can freak out the display
[19:41] <fisch246> no idea if it does it for the beta
[19:41] <bschaefer> i dont think wine works on unity8 atm sooo i've clue how that'll even work
[19:41] <fisch246> ha true
[19:42] <fisch246> oh one last question, not sure if this is the place for it. as for snappy desktop, i assume it will eventually merge back into the current branch when it's ready right?
[19:43] <bschaefer> hmm #snappy might have a better answer
[19:43] * bschaefer isn't really sure :)
[19:43] <fisch246> ah okay thanks
[19:43] <fisch246> i assume it's #ubuntu-snappy
[19:43] <bschaefer> np! Hopefully they have an answer there, im just on #snappy, idk if #ubuntu-snappy exists
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2015-06-17-#ubuntustudio
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[14:54] <geokjones> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER geokjones yudgtnoiuwot
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.628425
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-us-pa
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[09:20] <rmg51> Morning
[09:35] <lazyPower> mornin rmg51
[10:03] <rmg51> o/
[11:59] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.629188
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"lazyPower",
"rmg51",
"teddy-dbear"
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"channel": "#ubuntu-us-pa"
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-news
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[04:52] <pleia2> "Vacant Developer Membership Board seat: Call for nominations" hasn't gotten through the u-d-announce moderation queue yet, once it lands I'll try to remember to post it to fridge :)
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-gr
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[06:18] <Tassos> Καλημέρα! :)
[13:07] <geothom230> xerei kaneis kanean symbato me ubuntu usb wifi adapter?
[13:11] <geothom230> se koufous exo pesei
[13:29] <manos292> kalispera paidia
[13:33] <manos292> eimai araxarios thello na matho basikes entoles asta unbute uparxei na mou dwsete
[13:33] <manos292> ?
[13:42] <IanTee> geothom230, se idlers exeis pesei...
[13:43] <geothom230> IanTee:mallon re file oloi tous einai poli exyperitikoi ti na po
[13:43] <IanTee> katse
[13:43] <kerato> synh8ws ta dlink/tp-link douleuoun out of the box
[13:43] <IanTee> 2001:330d D-Link Corp
[13:43] <IanTee> auto exw, paizei mia xara sto debian
[13:44] <IanTee> katse na googlarw na dw pws to len kanonika
[13:44] <IanTee> D-Link Wireless Nano USB DWA-131
[13:44] <IanTee> auto :P
[13:45] <simosx> geothom230 δεν υπάρχει λίστα διότι αυτά τα πράγματα αλλάζουν συνέχεια. αυτό που κάνεις, είναι να δεις τι προϊόντα υπάρχουν διαθέσιμα και από εκεί να ψάξεις αν λειτουργούν κανονικά στο Ubuntu.
[13:46] <geothom230> ase tha voleuto me tin optiki ina pou exo sto router tha aporipso to wifi
[13:46] <geothom230> kai to tapeino mou RJ45 thira
[13:46] <geothom230> naste kala gia ta tips guys
[13:46] <IanTee> gg
[13:47] <geothom230> min protimate realtek se debian or ubuntu mapa einai kai kollane ta xerw apo proto xeri
[13:48] <geothom230> protimiste allo chipset pou paizei mpala out of the box pou eipate prin
[19:28] <pc_magas> Καλησπέρες
[19:53] <pc_magas> Καλησπέρες
[19:53] <pc_magas> Kalisperes8
[20:06] <alexsystemf> kalhspera pc_magas
[20:06] <pc_magas> Ti nea?
[20:06] <pc_magas> Vre paides psaxnw atoma gia na symmetasxoume se hackathon
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-community-team
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[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:20] <dholbach> hey dpm - do you want to catch up about sprint5 targets or shall I just place them on the trello board as I see fit?
[07:20] <dholbach> and I think we wanted to talk about https://bugs.launchpad.net/help-app/+bug/1433532 at some stage
[07:25] <dpm> morning dholbach. I'm happy with either. If you already know what you want to pick and want to go for it, we can just sync on IRC after you've done it
[07:26] <dpm> dholbach, as per the bug, let me have a look at it now, but I'm not sure I can find a solution yet
[07:26] <dholbach> thanks dpm
[07:26] <dholbach> dpm, let me know what you can find or think of
[07:32] <dpm> ok!
[07:41] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[07:43] <davidcalle> guten morgen dholbach
[08:52] <davidcalle> dholbach, good doc, I would tend to prefer the second proposal. If we have something solid to import we caould even expand it to guides we have in API docs (eg. we have a full featured scopes guide that has very little visibility)
[08:52] <davidcalle> could*
[08:55] <dholbach> ooooh!
[08:55] <dholbach> nice one
[08:56] <dholbach> I'll add a note regarding that
[08:57] * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[08:57] * davidcalle hugs dholbach back
[09:14] <dpm> dholbach, good work with the docs plan. I think I'd prefer 2) as well, but we need to see how much work that is going to be. Do you think you could work with mhall119 to have an estimation?
[09:14] <dholbach> dpm, sure
[09:14] <dpm> awesome
[12:14] <balloons> morning :-)
[12:35] <dholbach> balloons, I'll update the checklist of the "open house" card, if that's all right :)
[12:35] <balloons> dholbach, ack
[14:27] <jcastro> dpm: wow, nice desktop shot
[14:27] <jcastro> I have two monitors and the 8 session did NOT like that at all!
[14:36] <mhall119> jcastro: you filed a bug, right?
[14:50] <dpm> jcastro, <3
[14:51] <dpm> jcastro, yeah, I ended up unplugging one of my monitors
[14:51] <dpm> I thought it'd work, as initially it showed me cloned screens, but then the login box somehow got confused and didn't let me enter the password
[14:58] <jcastro> dpm: me too
[14:58] <jcastro> mhall119: it was so broken that it was obvious me no one had started even looking at it yet, I'll do so when there's something to test.
[15:08] <jcastro> dpm: I like the shinier black for the top bar, the current one is getting tired on the desktop
[15:34] <dpm> jcastro, yeah. Love the new icons for apps on the launcher too
[15:36] <jcastro> is OTA-4 coming to the Nexus4 or am I stuck?
[15:38] <balloons> jcastro, *soon* TM
[15:39] <jcastro> ah man, I was hoping for a reason to #blamepopey
[15:39] <balloons> jcastro, honestly I would expect your device to want to update by now
[15:39] <balloons> it's been out for a bit
[15:41] * jcastro checks
[15:41] <mhall119> jcastro: reflash with --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/here
[15:41] <mhall119> it's fun on the bleeding edge
[15:43] <jcastro> mm, I am on vivid-dev, from april
[15:43] <jcastro> that's probably why
[15:45] <jcastro> man guys, whoever did the Channel Selection Guide, +1
[16:53] * popey goes offline to spend time with wifey on her birthday
[16:54] <dholbach> enjoy!
[16:55] <popey> \o/ curry
[17:30] <dpm> enjoy popey!
[20:00] <mhall119> jcastro: jose: are there arrangements yet for phones to be displayed at Texas Linux Fest?
[23:09] <jose> mhall119: no, I haven't talked yet. think we can get BQs?
[23:37] <mhall119> jose: I don't know about BQ, but I have a couple of Nexus 4s I can probably send
[23:38] <mhall119> need to verify with msm that nobody needs them between now and then
[23:43] <mhall119> jose: also, I have stands for those, which makes for a nicer display than just laying them on the table like we did at SCaLE
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-hr
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[05:15] <BotaniCar> Jebemti OwnCloud , OPET su se azuriali ( ne bi bio bed da svaki put ne disejbla defaultno sve 3rd party pluginove )
[07:12] <Mmike> Hoyi boyi
[07:12] * Mmike mece folije na avto
[07:13] <obrut> kake folije ?
[07:16] <vileni> aluminijske
[07:16] <vileni> postao paranoican pod stare dane
[07:21] <obrut> jos malo pa ce nosit i na glavi
[07:21] <obrut> sreo sam Arnea jucer :) nisam ga vidio godinama, zjaco se skroz :)
[07:23] <Mmike> zjacao, a? :)
[07:23] <Mmike> to se tak danas kaze? :)
[07:24] <Mmike> obrut: folije kaj zatamne stakla
[07:24] <BotaniCar> Muahahaha , "zjacao se" :)
[07:24] <Mmike> ico je bio sreo arnea
[07:24] <Mmike> pa mi je pricsao
[07:24] <Mmike> veli 'kak se lik zdebljo, jebote'
[07:24] <Mmike> veli 'mislim, i ja sam debel, al' ja sam agilan!' :D
[07:24] <obrut> Mmike: to se tak pristojno kaze :)
[07:26] <BotaniCar> Ahahaha, ico, agilan :) Ahahahaha :) MOAR !
[07:27] <obrut> :)
[07:27] <Mmike> da
[07:28] <Mmike> ja sam se odvalio :)
[07:28] <Mmike> reko, debeli moj prijatelju, kak si nalazimo kak cemo se tjesit :)
[07:28] <BotaniCar> Opche ne znam kaj bi se neko isao tjesiti oko neceg sto (jos ) nije medicinski problem :) Debel,nosat,dlakav .. meni je to sve samo izlika za podjebavanja, is all :)
[07:29] <BotaniCar> Osim toga, da imam, nekad bi se bas rado primio za cicu :)
[07:49] <obrut> kaze mi upravo mail sa linkedina da je Jakov Curic posto system arhitect...
[07:49] <obrut> jel se tko cuje s tim covjekom ? jel ziv ?
[07:49] <obrut> :)
[07:50] <Mmike> de je sad onaj dodo-bas
[07:50] <Mmike> Jakov Curic!
[07:50] <Mmike> kak je njemu ono bio nick?
[07:50] <Mmike> updy
[07:50] <Mmike> tak nekak?
[07:51] <obrut> da, updy :)
[08:00] <Mmike> nisam njega vidio cuo
[08:00] <Mmike> stoljecima
[08:00] <Mmike> lik je imao odlicnu ideju za sajt
[08:00] <Mmike> ic svijetom i slikat WCje
[08:00] <Mmike> ne znam dal' je to ikad izrealizirao
[08:04] <obrut> pa kad sam ga zadnji put sreo, a bilo je davno, guro je neka kolica tak da mislim da nije :)
[08:11] <Mmike> isus vipnetov spor
[08:34] <Mmike> igustin_: ping
[09:50] <ivoks> https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/11051750_875268059219888_3398837910653459721_n.jpg?oh=9434ceeb4dfafda2c65239a356f0633c&oe=55F638A7
[09:52] <BotaniCar> Ja fakat ne kuzim to kad "se" ubace negdje u pola recenice, random :D
[09:52] <ivoks> sve se kuzi
[09:52] <ivoks> i ovo je bas lijepi primjer koji mogu Mmike-u nabiti na nos
[09:53] <ivoks> on, naime, tvrdi kako ja neispravno koristim zareze
[09:53] <ivoks> :)
[09:54] <BotaniCar> Nego, evo zakaj mi je ubuntu sporiji od windowsa https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12111954/context-switches-much-slower-in-new-linux-kernels?stw=2&utm_content=buffer28344 ! :) Kaj delate tam u kenoniklu ?! :)
[09:54] <ivoks> BotaniCar: ako opisujes radnju, kojoj zelis staviti uzrok, onda ne mozes radnju razbiti na dva dijela sa uzrokom
[09:54] <ivoks> npr
[09:54] <ivoks> pritisak na maturante koji se, vec zbog samih ispita, nalaze pod ogromnim stresom
[09:54] <ivoks> s time da je 'vec' u ovom slucaju onda nepotreban
[09:54] <BotaniCar> ( "vec" je rijec viska ovdje, ako cemo picajzlati )
[09:55] <BotaniCar> lol, GMTA <3
[09:55] <ivoks> zarezom odvojis dijelove recenice koji mogu, a i ne moraju biti dijelom cijele recenice
[09:56] <ivoks> ajde, barem nisu stavljali 'da' rijecicu kako bi prezentirali neznanje vremena :)
[09:56] <ivoks> ili rjecicu, ne znam :)
[09:57] <BotaniCar> Idem na rijecicu, za ruke vodim djecicu :)
[09:57] <SilverSpace> dan
[09:57] <ivoks> u biti, jesu
[09:58] <ivoks> koristili su 'da' posvuda :)
[09:58] <ivoks> sta cajke ucine od jezika :)
[09:58] <BotaniCar> Ma, cijeli dopis je materijal za oduzimanje diplome autoru.
[09:58] <BotaniCar> ( ako ju ima )
[09:58] <ivoks> pa to je srednjoskolac koji se buni sto je odgodjen dio mature iz hrvatskoj :D
[09:58] <ivoks> hrvatskog
[09:59] <ivoks> trebao bi biti sretan :D
[09:59] <BotaniCar> Fakat, nije mu to tata pisao, sad sam bacio oko na potpis :)
[10:01] <SilverSpace> od frenda klinac krenuo u prvi srednje i sad slusa cajke kaj do tad nikada nije slusao frend pizdi, ludi :)
[10:03] <BotaniCar> Nek' mu oduzme liniju / kazic / kaj vec :)
[10:05] <SilverSpace> :) mos misliti
[10:06] <SilverSpace> cinimi se da je to sve iz revolta prema starcima
[10:06] <SilverSpace> neki inat klinci danas tjeraju
[10:09] <BotaniCar> Znam da je inat, zato sam predlozio bezobrazno rjesenje. Mogao bi ga, na primjer, upisati u glazbenu ; ako mu to ne pokaze kolike su cajke smece, k vragu :)
[10:12] <Mmike> ivoks: di ja to tvrdim, molim lijepo? :)
[10:12] <Mmike> iako, stoji
[11:54:03] BotaniCar: ako opisujes radnju, kojoj zelis staviti uzrok, onda ne mozes radnju razbiti na dva dijela sa uzrokom
[10:12] <Mmike> tu ti zarezi ne dodju nikud
[10:13] <Mmike> "Radnju, kojoj je uzrok znan, mozemo pospjesiti prasenjem."
[10:13] <Mmike> tu dodju zareci
[10:13] <Mmike> "Radnju kojoj znamo uzrok mozemo pospjesiti prasenjem."
[10:13] <Mmike> Tu ne dodju zarezi.
[10:13] <BotaniCar> Ali neces pogrijesiti ni ako ih stavis
[10:17] <Mmike> Hoces. Ovo gore je umetnuta recenica, pa mora zarez. Ovo drugo nije umetnuta recenica.
[10:17] <Mmike> A nema nit nabrajanja.
[10:18] <BotaniCar> Zarez smijes koristiti i za isticanje
[10:19] <Mmike> Isticanje velikog penisa :)
[10:19] <BotaniCar> Dakle, ne pricam o obaveznoj interpunkciji, vec "dekorativnoj"
[10:19] <Mmike> Ona slicka kaj je ivoks stavio:
[10:19] <BotaniCar> E, penis !
[10:19] <Mmike> Dok su ljudi spavali, igrali smo nogomet.
[10:20] <Mmike> ^^ Tu dodje zarez jer je tu zavisna recenica prije glavne.
[10:20] <Mmike> Igrali smo nogomet dok su ljudi spavali.
[10:20] <Mmike> Tu nema zareza.
[10:20] <BotaniCar> Ne znam, meni ni jedno ne prolazi kroz bash syntax checker
[10:24] <Mmike> kak ne:
[10:24] <Mmike> echo mama{,kuka,paka,tutu,laka}
[10:25] <BotaniCar> Pre-super je kaj imas klinca, i inace sjajnu spiku koju brijes, dodatno je ukrasilo :)
[10:26] <Mmike> ha? :)
[10:26] <Mmike> vish kak si sjebo sa zarezima
[10:26] <BotaniCar> kuka,paka,tuta,laka :)
[10:26] <Mmike> nist te ne kuzim :)
[10:26] <SilverSpace> v penis ne trebas isticati :)
[10:27] <Mmike> SilverSpace: velis, istakne se sam
[10:27] <BotaniCar> Pre-super je kaj imas klinca :)
[10:27] <Mmike> pogotovo ujutru! :)
[10:27] <SilverSpace> Mmike: pa da :)
[10:35] <SilverSpace> joj koliko neznanja i zlonamernosti u saboru od ovih nasih sabornika
[10:36] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: ma to si Srpski sabor gledao, nemre nas biti takav
[10:36] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: skoro da je tak
[10:38] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: siguram sam da to namjerno rade za svoje dnevno politicke potrebe
[10:39] <BotaniCar> Je, neg kak ?
[10:39] <BotaniCar> Ne rade da nam bude bolje.
[11:07] <ivoks> Mmike: nemas pojma
[11:07] <ivoks> Mmike: 'staviti uzork onda ne mozes'
[11:07] <ivoks> Mmike: to nema nikakvog smisla, jel tak?
[11:07] <ivoks> tak je
[11:09] <Mmike> ivoks: kaj?
[11:09] <Mmike> 'staviti uzrok onda ne mozes' ?
[11:09] <Mmike> kaj to znaci?
[11:09] <Mmike> jel' tu netko kuzi iscsi, onak, dobro? :)
[11:11] <ivoks> Mmike: bas nis ne znaci, upravo u tome i je stvar
[11:11] <ivoks> Mmike: u svakoj recenici slijed rijeci mora imati neki smisao
[11:12] <ivoks> ako nema, stavlja se zarez
[11:12] <Mmike> U biti ne mora.
[11:12] <Mmike> Hrvatski jezik je tu dosta fleksibilan, engleski nije.
[11:12] <Mmike> Hrvatski ima padeze kojima se odredi sluzba rijeci u recenici. U engleskom, npr, to odredjuje pozicija.
[11:12] <ivoks> treba te poslati na maturu :)
[11:12] <Mmike> Al' ne vidim kakve to veze ima s onim sto sam rekao.
[11:12] <Mmike> "Konja klati ici ja" fakat nema smisla, zareza ili bez.
[11:13] <Mmike> Tak da ne kuzim poantu tvoje gornje recenice.
[11:13] <Mmike> ivoks: http://pravopis.hr/pravilo/zarez/60/ <- eto, pa se educiraj
[11:14] <ivoks> Mmike: pa ta recenica sama po sebi nema smisla
[11:15] <Mmike> ok, i zasto ju onda spominjemo? :)
[11:15] <ivoks> ti ju spominjes
[11:15] <Mmike> ne ti ju spominjes
[11:15] <ivoks> 13:12 < Mmike> "Konja klati ici ja" fakat nema smisla, zareza ili bez.
[13:07:17] Mmike: 'staviti uzork onda ne mozes'
[11:15] <Mmike> ok, ti si prvi poceo :)
[11:15] <ivoks> Mmike: pa da, ti si rekao da tu ne ide zarez
[11:15] <ivoks> a ja velim da ide
[11:15] <Mmike> Di ide zarez?
[11:15] <ivoks> staviti uzrok, onda ne mozes
[11:15] <Mmike> Aj stavi sa zarezom, ne kuzim kaj mislis.
[11:16] <Mmike> To je cijela recenica?
[11:16] <Mmike> Ili to samo izvadak iz neke recenice?
[11:16] <ivoks> 13:11 < ivoks> Mmike: u svakoj recenici slijed rijeci mora imati neki smisao
[11:16] <ivoks> izvadak
[11:16] <Mmike> Aj daj cijelu recenicu, ovak ne kuzim nist.
[11:16] <ivoks> bilo koji dio recenice
[11:16] <ivoks> 12:12 < Mmike> <ivoks> [11:54:03] BotaniCar: ako opisujes radnju, kojoj zelis staviti uzrok, onda ne mozes radnju razbiti na dva dijela sa uzrokom
[11:16] <ivoks> 12:12 < Mmike> tu ti zarezi ne dodju nikud
[11:16] <ivoks> ti tvrdis da u ovoj gore recenici ne idu zarezi
[11:16] <ivoks> ja tvrdim da idu tocno tamo di sam ih i stavio
[11:16] <Mmike> ivoks: ti imas opakih problema s objasnjavanjem onog sto ti je u glavi :) Fakat se covjek fest treba truditi da iskopa kaj oces rec :)
[11:17] <Mmike> Da, ne idu tamo zarezi jer to nije umetnuta recenica.
[11:17] <SilverSpace> :)
[11:17] <Mmike> "Ako opisujes radnju kojoj zelis staviti uzrok onda ne mozes radnju...."
[11:17] <ivoks> 'kojoj zelis staviti uzrok' je umetnuto
[11:17] <Mmike> 'Ako hodas na prstima moras biti tih"
[11:17] <ivoks> bez toga, i sa time, recenica ima smisla
[11:17] <Mmike> A po tebi je "Ako hodas, na prstima, moras biti tih".
[11:17] <ivoks> ne
[11:17] <Mmike> kak ne?
[11:17] <ivoks> jer to mijenja smisao recenice
[11:18] <Mmike> koje mijenja smisao?
[11:18] <ivoks> ako stavis zareze
[11:18] <Mmike> di stavim zareze?
[11:18] <ivoks> primijeti
[11:18] * Mmike odustaje :)
[11:18] <ivoks> ako opisujes radnju, kojoj zelis staviti uzrok, onda ne mozes radnju razbiti na dva dijela sa uzrokom
[11:18] <ivoks> ako opisujes radnju onda ne mozes radnju razbiti na dva dijela sa uzrokom
[11:18] <ivoks> ideja misli se nije promijenila
[11:18] <ivoks> s druge strane
[11:18] <ivoks> Ako hodas, na prstima, moras biti tih
[11:18] <Mmike> ideja misli?
[11:18] <ivoks> Ako hodas moras biti tih
[11:18] <Mmike> Krivo, ivoks.
[11:18] <Mmike> Nema zareza
[11:18] <Mmike> "Ako hodas na prstima moras biti tih"
[11:18] <Mmike> Nema zareza.
[11:18] <ivoks> pa tu nema
[11:19] <ivoks> to i govorim
[11:19] <ivoks> da si dao krivi primjer
[11:19] <Mmike> Pa, i ak stavis zarez, to je krivo.
[11:19] <Mmike> Nisam, isti je primjer k'o tvoj.
[11:19] <ivoks> nije
[11:19] <ivoks> jer moj ne mijenja sadrzaj izjave
[11:19] <ivoks> samo dodaje objasnjenje usred recenice
[11:20] <Mmike> Nepotreban je zarez. Pravopisno tamo ne ide zarez.
[11:20] <Mmike> Znaci: "Ako opisujes radnju kojoj zelis staviti uzrok onda moras srat"
[11:20] <Mmike> Nema zareza.
[11:20] <Mmike> Ali!
[11:20] <ivoks> al to nije isto
[11:20] <Mmike> U biti , krivo pricam, djelomicno
[11:20] <Mmike> To je 'inverzna recenica'
[11:21] <Mmike> "ako" je na pocetku, znaci mora zarez kad krene glavna recenica
[11:21] <Mmike> pa je ispravno ovako: "AKo opisujes radnju kojoj zelis staviti uzrok, onda moras blablabla"
[11:21] <Mmike> Bez zareza u potpunosti bi bilo: Moras staviti blablabla ako opisujes radnju kojoj zelis staviti uzrok"
[11:22] <Mmike> Jednostavniji primjer: "Marko brzo trci kad ide doma"
[11:22] <Mmike> Ili inverzno: "Kad ide doma, Marko brzo trci."
[11:22] <Mmike> mora ic zarez jer je zavisna recenica prije glavne.
[11:22] * SilverSpace vam predlaze da vas dvojica idete opet na maturu :)
[11:22] <ivoks> Sve je, međutim, pokvarilo loše vrijeme.
[11:23] <Mmike> Yup, tu ide zarez.
[11:23] <Mmike> Zasto, pitate se vi :)
[13:07:17] Mmike: 'staviti uzork onda ne mozes'
[11:24] <Mmike> jebemti pejst
[11:24] <Mmike> http://pravopis.hr/pravilo/zarez/60/
[11:24] <Mmike> tu sve pise
[11:24] <ivoks> pa onda procitaj c)
[11:24] <ivoks> naknadno dodavanje
[11:24] <ivoks> ako opisujes radnju onda ne mozes radnju razbiti na dva dijela sa uzrokom
[11:24] <ivoks> pa naknadno dodano, radi pojasnjenja
[11:25] <ivoks> ako opisujes radnju, kojoj zelis staviti uzrok, onda ne mozes radnju razbiti na dva dijela sa uzrokom
[11:25] * SilverSpace u 90% slucaja stavi zarez na krivo mjesto
[11:25] <Mmike> Eto ti jos primjer: "Nakon šestosatne rasprave vijećnici Županijske skupštine prihvatili su odluke."
[11:25] <Mmike> tu nema zareza
[11:25] <Mmike> Sad oshj prosirit
[11:25] <Mmike> tj, ne prosirit nego drugacije rec:
[11:25] <ivoks> pa to nije isto kao ovo sto sam ja rekao
[11:25] <Mmike> "Nakon rasprave koja je trajala sest sati vijecnici Zupanijske skupstine prihvatili su odluke."
[11:25] <Mmike> i dalje nema zareza
[11:26] <ivoks> ja mislim da tu idu zarezi
[11:26] <Mmike> Nop.
[11:26] <ivoks> odnosno, da mogu ici zarezi
[11:26] <Mmike> Isli bi, recimo, ovako: "Rasprava, koja je trajala sest sati, bila je naporna za popizdit."
[11:26] <ivoks> nakon rasprave, koja je trajala sest sati, vijecnici...
[11:26] <Mmike> iako ovo gore nije ispravno
[11:26] <BotaniCar> Srca ti, gle garazu: https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1391699_734402353258272_270927566_n.jpg?oh=8f37cf04a15aa02869497811b0c76015&oe=55F455AE
[11:26] <Mmike> u hrvatskom tak nemres slozit recenicu
[11:27] <ivoks> ja samo zakljucujem da ti imas previse slobodnog vremena :)
[11:27] <Mmike> ivoks: idem pitat jezikolooga, sestrin muz je jezikolsovac
[11:27] <Mmike> nemam, neg imam sporu testnu okolinu
[11:27] <Mmike> juju deploy traje :)
[11:27] <Mmike> ivoks: ti znas iscsi, jelda?
[11:28] <ivoks> ja znam sve
[11:28] <Mmike> osim pravopis :)
[11:28] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: hm fino izgleda
[11:28] <ivoks> ...ili bi se ti trebao zapitati; mozda znam i to
[11:28] <Mmike> e, imam folije na autu
[11:28] <Mmike> pre super :)
[11:28] <ivoks> ako znam sve, velika je vjerojatnost da znam i pravopis
[11:28] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: mogo bi je i vjetar odnesti
[11:28] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: tocno se vidim kak pizdim jer je nestalo struje i nemrem do auta :)
[11:29] <Mmike> Ivoks logicka pogreska - krive premise dovode do krive konkluzije.
[11:29] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: pa okvir je od zabusenog celika, ako je nosac dobar - ne ide nikam
[11:29] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: otpeljas se zajedno sa njom :)
[11:29] <BotaniCar> Mmike: de sliku
[11:29] <SilverSpace> ima kotacice
[11:30] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: zumiraj, brijem da nisu kotacici
[11:30] <Mmike> root@iscsi:/etc/iscsi# man
[11:30] <Mmike> bash: man: command not found
[11:30] <Mmike> kak
[11:30] <Mmike> sad
[11:30] <Mmike> ovo
[11:31] <SilverSpace> sestra zove na rucak
[11:31] <SilverSpace> What manual page do you want?
[11:32] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: da usarafljena je u pod :)
[11:33] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: i cinimi se da to nije na struju
[11:34] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: nebitno, nemam para za tolika stakla :) Pogotovo zato kaj susedin klinac trenira nogomet :)
[11:34] <Mmike> ivoks: vidi ovo: "Rečenični dijelovi koji se rabe kao naknadno objašnjenje odvajaju se zarezom."
[11:34] <Mmike> iz pravopisa
[11:34] <Mmike> nema zareza
[11:39] <ivoks> pa naravno da nema
[11:39] <ivoks> jer Rečenični dijelovi odvajaju se zarezom.
[11:39] <ivoks> nema smisla
[11:39] <ivoks> ovdje nije rijec o umetnutom dijelu
[11:39] <ivoks> cijela recenica je jedna cjelina
[11:40] <ivoks> Rečenični dijelovi koji se rabe kao naknadno objašnjenje, jer mmike nema pojma, odvajaju se zarezom.
[11:40] <Mmike> ivoks: koja je razlika izmedju iscsid i ietd, tj, koji cem sluzi?
[11:41] <Mmike> Pa po tebi je 'Recenicni djelovi, koji se rabe kao naknadno objasnjenje, odvajaju se zarezom.'
[11:53] <Mmike> ietd je server, iscsid je klijent
[11:55] <BotaniCar> OpenSos server, ima i komercijalna varijanta, ne ?
[11:55] <BotaniCar> *ClosedSos
[11:55] <SilverSpace> kaj sad poslje rucka raditi
[11:56] <SilverSpace> dosada me pere
[11:59] <Mmike> SilverSpace: Uciti, o zarezu, probaj.
[11:59] <Mmike> :D
[11:59] <SilverSpace> zarezi su ne bitni
[12:00] <SilverSpace> zarezi su ne, bitni
[12:00] <SilverSpace> :)
[12:01] <SilverSpace> Neslužbeno doznajemo kako je policija pronašla učenike koji su ukrali primjerak ispita.
[12:01] <SilverSpace> i to privatne skole
[12:01] <SilverSpace> tatin sin
[12:13] <igustin_> Mmike: ? :)
[12:17] <ivoks> Mmike: ietd je target, iscsi-utils su initiator
[12:18] <ivoks> Mmike: ietd mozes usporedjivati sa tgt, tstgt
[12:18] <SilverSpace> http://lajk.s3.index.hr/index/b1fc4fab-9e22-46e3-ac8b-0df7ec799019.gif
[12:18] <Mmike> ivoks: target je ono na cem mi storage stoji, a initiator je ono sto 'konzjuma' target, right? u nfs svijetu , ietd je export, a iscid je mounter ?
[12:18] <ivoks> da
[12:18] <ivoks> ali
[12:18] <ivoks> (nisam cuo za ietd)
[12:18] <ivoks> koristim tgt samo
[12:19] <ivoks> ietd je staro
[12:19] <Mmike> SilverSpace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esxpEoDENsk
[12:19] <datase> YouTube: Cool way to put out a boat fire - FIRE FIGHTING WIN! - 0:01:20 - 3609450 views - 10638 likes / 261 dislikes
[12:19] <ivoks> ah, nije staro
[12:19] * Mmike gleda za tgt
[12:19] <ivoks> to je dio iscsitarget paket
[12:19] <Mmike> tak je
[12:20] <ivoks> tgt je sto openstack koristi
[12:20] <Mmike> eh
[12:20] <ivoks> tj., cinder
[12:20] <Mmike> onda mi to valjda treba :)
[12:20] <ivoks> mozda se promijenilo u zadnje vrijeme
[12:20] <Mmike> mario@MIKE ~> tgt
[12:20] <Mmike> The program 'tgt' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[12:20] <Mmike> sudo apt-get install tcm
[12:20] <Mmike> a tcm je
[12:21] <Mmike> tcm - Toolkit for Conceptual Modeling (TCM)
[12:21] <ivoks> ne, tgt je
[12:21] <Mmike> krasno :D
[12:21] <ivoks> tgtd
[12:21] <Mmike> ma znam, da
[12:21] <Mmike> al' ovo me zbunjuje
[12:21] <ivoks> ne postoji tgt binary
[12:21] <ivoks> rekli smo da je tgt target
[12:21] <ivoks> dakle, daemon je
[12:21] <ivoks> tgtd
[12:21] <Mmike> tgt je naziv paketa
[12:21] <ivoks> a da
[12:21] <ivoks> mozda bi bilo bolje da je tgtd
[12:22] <ivoks> reci chucku
[12:22] <Mmike> mislim da ce bit presretan s mijenjanjem naziva paketa :)
[12:28] <SilverSpace> ln
[13:00] <ivoks> pa zgodna je ova rozga :)
[13:00] <ivoks> sad kad je odrasla
[13:00] <ivoks> sam da ne pjeva... :D
[13:33] <BotaniCar> Lice u jastuk i bok bok :D
[13:33] * BotaniCar pljusne sam sebe
[13:57] <jelly> 03:28:31 up 10 min, 4 users, load average: 13638.45, 10861.83, 5793.01
[14:00] <obrut> dobar load :)
[14:02] <Mmike> jelly: wooo :D
[20:04] <Vlado9A3CY> dobra vecer :)
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[00:27] <Bashing-om> I am here, Better late than never .
[00:27] <daftykins> \o/
[02:14] <Bashing-om> Not much going on. I am going to pick up my marbles and go home and take a nap .
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:28] <OerHeks> Und da is unser Lotus wieder ja
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: jahwolle
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> my french is not so good :p
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: did you see those cheap dell ubuntu laptops?
[06:31] <OerHeks> I read about some, i think
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Dell-Announces-Cheaper-Ubuntu-Powered-Inspiron-14-3000-Series-Laptop-482869.shtml
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> i want something like that also in my store
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> cheap + ubuntu + samsung pro 850 ssd
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> and use the ssd's speed to compensate for the lower cpu
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: morning mate
[06:54] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[07:49] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: hi mate
[07:50] <lordievader> Hey lotuspsychje
[08:44] * ObrienDave waves from never-never land ;P
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> ObrienDave: good day sir
[08:46] <lordievader> o/
[08:46] <ObrienDave> just got home from work. how's it going?
[08:47] <lotuspsychje> great
[08:49] <ObrienDave> well, considering it's 2:45am here, not so lucky ikenfin ;P
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: hello mate
[10:40] <BluesKaj> hi lotuspsychje, what's happening ?
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> oh just updated my nexus7
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> to rc-proposed channel
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> and looks good
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[13:38] <shimm> Hi all
[13:50] <lordievader> o/
[13:56] <shimm> Is it possible to bott ubuntu 14.04 desktop iso over network for installation?
[13:56] <shimm> s/bott/boot/
[14:47] <MonkeyDust> yes but no
[14:48] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: i'd run your comments by that mate, he said it sounded like the alternator had gone
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: oh tnx for info mate!
[14:48] <daftykins> no problemo :>
[14:49] <lordievader> shimm: Through pxe, sure.
[14:50] <MonkeyDust> what's this german band's name again, from "du hast" etc
[14:50] <EriC^^> alternator?
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: yeah our car has gone bad
[14:51] <EriC^^> what's wrong?
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: doesnt wanna start anymore after we replaced batty
[14:51] * EriC^^ knows a thing or two about cars
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: so when i turn the key, it makes weird beep sound, but no start
[14:51] <EriC^^> it was running fine you replaced the battery and it won't start?
[14:51] <daftykins> o rly
[14:51] <lordievader> MonkeyDust: Ramstein.
[14:52] <EriC^^> that's the starter that's gone bad, the automatic of it
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: no once in a while it started after few hours
[14:52] <EriC^^> there's a tiny starter for the starter itself, that's what's bad i think
[14:52] <EriC^^> hmm
[14:52] <MonkeyDust> lordievader yes found it
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: then it started again, we drove few times, and coultn start again
[14:52] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje: ah
[14:52] <EriC^^> could be a bad alternator then, battery isn't charging
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ok tnx :p
[14:53] <EriC^^> np :P
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: we gonna have to call the garage anyways
[14:53] <EriC^^> what car is it?
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: nissan almera 1400cc '97
[14:54] <EriC^^> never seen that
[14:55] <EriC^^> i dont think we have them here :>
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> yeah its older car and in belgium we see more of them
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> but still, nissan is japanese right
[14:55] <EriC^^> yeah
[14:55] <EriC^^> yeah there's a lot of smaller cars in europe i guess
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> true lol
[14:56] <daftykins> :D
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> anyways dinnertime here
[14:56] <daftykins> they're still too big to fit down my local roads.
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the car support :p
[14:56] <daftykins> ^_^
[14:56] <EriC^^> anytime :D
[14:57] <daftykins> sudo apt-get purge --reinstall alternator starter
[14:57] <daftykins> that's probably not even a valid command XD
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: the guys from ##cars were reall some bunch of 4ssh*les
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> banned me for asking a question lol
[14:57] <EriC^^> i'm banned from there
[14:57] <EriC^^> lol, they're a bunch of losers
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> so ive joined on proxy few times to give em hard times :lol
[14:58] <EriC^^> haha :D
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> feel free to walk around freenode :p
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> anyways bbl :p
[14:58] <EriC^^> :p
[14:58] <daftykins> XD
[14:59] <daftykins> i might boot a Linux live session on that Lenovo X1 today, such a beautiful machine
[14:59] <daftykins> EriC^^: did y'see the geek porn?
[14:59] <EriC^^> nope
[14:59] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/e83vhve5shdm93f/AADzIc9NZrlUiK-Oer-nBlkCa?dl=0
[14:59] <EriC^^> do show
[14:59] <daftykins> very blurry video there of shutdown, boot time, sleep time, resume and hibernate
[15:01] <JanC> lotuspsychje: you connected the battery correctly (+ & -), I hope? :)
[15:03] <EriC^^> holy shit that's fast
[15:03] <EriC^^> O.o
[15:05] <daftykins> :D
[15:06] <EriC^^> i like it, looks sleek, elegant, and thin too
[15:07] <daftykins> crazy thin
[15:07] <daftykins> good to keep full wired gigabit as well, albeit with the breakout cable
[15:07] <daftykins> this one has a full LTE modem in for mobile data too
[15:08] <daftykins> so if the person that's getting it signs up for a contract it can be truly mobile
[15:08] <EriC^^> cool
[15:08] <daftykins> she was kinda tempted by a Microsoft Surface Pro 3, but i didn't like that those are already a year old
[15:09] <EriC^^> who was?
[15:12] <daftykins> my client who's getting this machine
[15:12] <EriC^^> oh
[15:12] <daftykins> my bad, i'm quite often vague XD
[15:13] <EriC^^> :D
[15:13] <EriC^^> did you try the ubuntu phone or see it live?
[15:13] <daftykins> nah
[15:13] <daftykins> if i'm honest i think it's laughable
[15:13] <EriC^^> me neither, i'm curious how it's like
[15:13] <EriC^^> i've not seen pics or anything
[15:14] <EriC^^> i should probably google :P
[15:14] <daftykins> "for further info please join #ubuntu-touch" ;D
[15:17] <EriC^^> i'm watching http://www.ubuntu.com/phone , the video is making me want to go out and eat
[15:17] <EriC^^> lol, almost seems like it's not about the phone
[15:18] <daftykins> as in the physical handset, or the form factor?
[15:18] <EriC^^> nah i guess it's on point
[15:25] <EriC^^> i'm going to order a pizza hut
[15:25] <EriC^^> i ordered the extra-large once and i got hooked, it's so huge you won't believe
[15:25] <EriC^^> i end up microwaving and eating the rest at night
[15:26] <daftykins> XD
[15:26] <daftykins> let me tell you something that'll blow your mind
[15:26] <EriC^^> i hope this is a pizza is good for you fact
[15:26] <EriC^^> :D
[15:26] <daftykins> growing up over here, there was no such thing as delivered pizza
[15:26] <EriC^^> oh wow
[15:26] <daftykins> also we have none of the fast food chains
[15:27] <EriC^^> yikes
[15:27] <daftykins> there was a KFC briefly in the early 80s apparently, so before my time... then we had a Burger King briefly for a couple of years in my teens, but the guy funding it went bankrupt
[15:27] <EriC^^> well we got mcdonald's here in ~2000 ( the whole country )
[15:27] <daftykins> the one larger island near me has a KFC and McDonalds, but i'd only get to try them when in England otherwise
[15:28] <EriC^^> even now?
[15:28] <EriC^^> what about now?
[15:29] <daftykins> I have a place right in the centre of my capital, literally 10m from the high-street. There's a pizza place around the corner that's meant to do delivery, never tried though :)
[15:29] <daftykins> i like my curry so my local indian takeaway is maybe 30m from my door
[15:29] <EriC^^> cool
[15:29] <EriC^^> i've never had indian food
[15:29] <daftykins> :O do you like things spicy?
[15:30] <EriC^^> nope
[15:30] <EriC^^> i puke if it's too spicy
[15:31] <EriC^^> my friend is from african, and he loves spicy stuff, i ate at his place once a native african meal and i drank water after every bite, couple hours later --> puke fest
[15:31] <daftykins> oh dear!
[15:32] <daftykins> water is actually the worst, as it opens your tastebuds to more of the onslaught :)
[15:32] <daftykins> milk is the neutraliser
[15:32] <EriC^^> oh, lol :D
[15:32] <daftykins> i think it comes down to genes at the end of the day, no silly macho angle of course. i enjoy a nice spicy meal but it has to remain actually enjoyable
[15:33] <EriC^^> yeah, that's true, my whole family doesn't eat spicey food
[15:33] <daftykins> ah ha
[15:33] <EriC^^> i like a little spice in the pizza
[15:33] <EriC^^> gives it a little oomph
[15:33] <daftykins> i don't really know what got mine into it, as my dad can't eat any of it either
[15:33] <daftykins> :D
[15:34] <daftykins> i like to buy these meat feast ones from the supermarkets over here, then tap a bit of tabasco over the top before throwing in the oven
[15:35] <EriC^^> haha :D
[15:41] <daftykins> https://carpenterbrut.bandcamp.com/album/ep-i
[15:41] <daftykins> aaah latest musical discovery
[15:43] <EriC^^> cool
[15:44] <EriC^^> sounds good
[15:45] <daftykins> :D
[15:48] <EriC^^> :D
[15:50] <daftykins> ok my mate wants me to try a CentOS live session too haha, (on this Lenovo) as he uses that for his PhD physics software
[15:53] <EriC^^> cool :D
[15:53] <daftykins> for ubuntu hmm, i'm sure vivid would work better but i don't do non-LTS ^_^
[15:54] <BluesKaj> daftykins, you're missing all the fun then
[15:54] <daftykins> upgrade hell? ;)
[15:55] <BluesKaj> clean installs
[15:56] <BluesKaj> where's your sense of adventure? Unless of course you're at work
[15:56] <daftykins> mmm i definitely don't believe in upgrades
[15:56] <daftykins> well it's just gonna be trying out a live session on this new machine for fun, it's not mine so won't be installing
[15:57] <daftykins> my stuff is ancient in comparison, core 2 quad desktop with DDR2 from 2007 and a sandybridge laptop from don't-even-know
[15:59] <BluesKaj> I have a 2yr old laptop, but this pc is an amd 2008 vintage HP desktop, dual core cpu, with RAM upgrades to 6G and pci audio and gpu ?
[15:59] <daftykins> :)
[16:00] <BluesKaj> err ignore the ?
[16:00] <daftykins> i quite like letting my clients spend the money, i get to play with the lovely new kit then give it back at the end of the day
[16:00] <BluesKaj> it all works great on kubuntu
[16:01] <BluesKaj> still have 10yrold WD HDD as a windows drive
[16:02] <daftykins> :)
[16:02] <daftykins> one thing i have done is go SSD across all my kit
[16:02] <daftykins> i think that makes the difference between tolerating such old hardware and not
[16:03] <BluesKaj> well it's our media server setup and it works for us
[16:04] <BluesKaj> BBL
[16:14] <daftykins> have you guys noticed that if you have a lot of nearby wireless networks, NM on a unity desktop actually puts the best-signal strength one right at the bottom of the list, under 'more networks'?
[16:14] <daftykins> totally stupid imo
[16:15] <EriC^^> can't say i've noticed that, it's stupid though
[16:15] <daftykins> wow at ubuntu on this screen o0
[16:16] <EriC^^> nice
[16:16] <EriC^^> i lately have been reading about resolution and stuff, now i want a 1920 screen
[16:16] <EriC^^> mine is 1366, i always wondered why other desktop's have such a huge space in the launcher
[16:17] <EriC^^> i wanna buy another lcd screen so i've been reading a bit
[16:17] <EriC^^> (tv)
[16:17] <daftykins> :D
[16:17] <daftykins> my old laptop is 1366 too
[16:17] <daftykins> my desktop has a pair of 24" LCDs of 1920x1200 each
[16:17] <daftykins> much spoilt++
[16:18] <EriC^^> :D
[16:19] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/JJcq37s.jpg
[16:20] <daftykins> this is with scaling set to 1.25x to make it look a little more sane
[16:21] <BluesKaj> using our plsama TV as a monitor since I'm chating on the media server pc and #m away in my easy chair with wireless KB and mouse ... comfy situation for an old guy :-)
[16:21] <BluesKaj> 3M away
[16:22] <EriC^^> looks good
[16:24] <BluesKaj> lazy old guy who's procrastinating cutting the lawn , but gotta do it before the rain arrives toight
[16:26] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/0X3yocv.jpg - 1.00x scaling
[16:29] <BluesKaj> oops, Konverstion just froze then crashed , plasma desktop still not ready for prime time methinks
[16:29] <BluesKaj> plasma 5.3.1 that is
[16:31] <daftykins> =]
[16:31] <daftykins> unstable version?
[16:33] <daftykins> well CentOS booting on this thing has a 3.10 kernel and doesn't work with the wifi out of the box
[16:35] <BluesKaj> yeah I'm testing Kubuntu 15.10 Wily, altho it behaves most of the time there ia the odd freeze/crash now and then
[16:36] <BluesKaj> ia=is
[16:37] <daftykins> ah right
[16:37] <daftykins> never really gone near KDE
[16:37] <daftykins> i fear i'll start prepending 'k' to all my words if i did ;)
[16:37] <BluesKaj> love KDE, unity/gnome never did much for me
[16:39] <BluesKaj> <--old windows guy...it was more familiar to me in 2004 when i seriously got into linux distros , trying this and that
[16:43] <daftykins> that makes sense
[16:43] <daftykins> xfce is quite comfy to me, but you have to fight it a lot
[16:44] <daftykins> seems whenever i try to disable screen blanking, locking, screensavers etc there's always something else making it happen still
[16:44] <daftykins> really drives me mad about Linux usage as a whole on a mobile device :P
[18:16] <MonkeyDust> pity, i can't run irssi from a remote server -- unixssh.com
[18:17] <MonkeyDust> been doing it for some weeks, now it's blocked
[18:19] <ObrienDave> OMG i just had to completely disable IPV6 to properly update my system :S
[18:54] <BluesKaj> ipv6 where, on your router?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> oops missed the exit
[19:32] <Bashing-om> support - lotuspsychje - has arrived !
[19:45] <daftykins> :D
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: :p:p
[20:00] * lotuspsychje doesnt like disconnects while away
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[00:01] <olabaz> hey I ran an upgrade of programs and I got "a new version of configuration file /etc/default/grub is available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified. What do you want to do about modified configuration file grub?" what should i choose here?
[00:02] <Jordan_U> olabaz: Please pastebin your current /etc/default/grub.
[00:03] <olabaz> Jordan_U, http://pastebin.com/mfxG591h
[00:05] <hplc> &join #security
[00:05] <histo> olabaz: keep the current one
[00:06] <olabaz> ok thanks
[00:06] <Jordan_U> olabaz: Why did you add "GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT="false""? false is the default for that setting.
[00:06] <histo> olabaz: your current one differs from the default version the package provides. If you want to keep the version you modified then you would keep your local one.
[00:06] <olabaz> I don't remember doing anything
[00:06] <histo> olabaz: the timeout ljooks non default also
[00:07] <ubuntu925> sat-buddhi: Can you pastebin the update and give the channel an url
[00:07] <histo> also the cmdline
[00:08] <Jordan_U> histo: I *think* the cmdline will be preserved, as it's stored in debconf variable grub2/linux_cmdline_default .
[00:08] <histo> TJ-: how does the hard drive affect his ability to get into the firmware that's the part I don't get.
[00:08] <olabaz> oh I changed cmd b/c my keyboard wouldn't work and it didn't fix the problem -_-
[00:09] <TJ-> histo: I assume that if the firmware boot-handler can't find an ESP it drops into Setup as the only other option.
[00:09] <Jordan_U> histo: If the boot firmware can't boot an OS then it realizes that showing the user a setup screen is probably better than shutting down again or just sitting there not accepting any input.
[00:09] <TJ-> histo: That's been the accepted way of handling a missing boot device as far back as I can remember
[00:10] <Jordan_U> olabaz: If there are changes in /etc/default/grub that you didn't actually intend to make, then maybe using the package maintainer's version is a good idea, and as a bonus it will prevent this prompt from appearing again from future updates.
[00:11] <olabaz> Jordan_U, let's say I put keep the new one. What would be the easiest way to go back to the default?
[00:11] <histo> TJ-: But you're all alleging the hard drive is causing denied access to the firmware. As is the bios upgrade provided by lenovo that fixes this bug. I'd like to understand how installing anything on the hard drive can deny him access to the firmware
[00:11] <olabaz> Jordan_U, let me rephrase that
[00:12] <olabaz> Jordan_U, If I kept my previous version. How can I go to the package manager's version
[00:14] <TJ-> histo: No, that's not what we're saying. The issue is that the firmware is stuck in Fast-Boot mode - going straight to the ESP - and won't enter Setup. One owner reports that removing the boot device caused the U410 to enter Setup mode.
[00:16] <TJ-> Jordan_U: I've just found a firmware/BIOS simulator that Lenevo provide for service engineers! http://service.lenovo.partner-management.com/content/CoursewarePublic/15415/U310_BIOS.swf
[00:17] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Nice.
[00:17] <TJ-> Jordan_U: That shows Intel Rapid Start as the most obvious potential cause.
[00:17] <TJ-> Jordan_U: I'll be headed to bed shortly, so if regedit returns please point to that link for him
i got this error when I make an upgrade
[00:18] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Will do.
it give me an error with "linux-headers-lowlatency_3.13.0.55
[00:19] <hplc> how can i get rkhunter to check files against the ones on ubuntuservers in order to compare the SHA256 hash value?, trying to see if its corrupt or just because of updates
that is the message in spanish: "dpkg: error fatal irrecuperable, abortando, el fichero de lista de ficheros del paquete `zenity -contiene un nombre de fichero vacío"
[00:21] <ubuntu925> sat-buddhi: I would pastebin the update with the command and post the url, as you can see so far the info is not empty but missing some easy confirms with requested info.
[00:21] <Jordan_U> hplc: You can use debsums to check files against the sha of the shipped files.
[00:22] <hplc> Jordan_U, shipped? like a ISO or DVD?
[00:22] <ubuntu925> !pastebinit | sat-buddhi
[00:23] <Jordan_U> hplc: Checked against the contents of the signed .deb files.
[00:24] <hplc> Jordan_U, i dont understand :S where is the clean source? if not cd or dvd?
ok... i din't know it :)
[00:26] <ubuntu925> sat-buddhi: Cool, mainly I'm trying to get enough info here for the kernel support from the channel for yah.
[00:26] <Jordan_U> hplc: From "man debsums": Verify installed Debian package files against MD5 checksum lists from /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums. debsums can generate checksum lists from deb archives for packages that don't include one.
[00:26] <Jordan_U> hplc: So it looks like it's more for users trying to detect corruption rather than mallicious modification.
http://paste.ubuntu.com/11727961/
[00:29] <hplc> Jordan_U, but i dont care why its gone sour, i just want to weed out whatever IS sour, and i already ran debsums, a lot, with:sudo apt-get install --reinstall $(sudo dpkg -S $(sudo debsums -c 2>&1 | cut -d " " -f 4 | sort -u) | cut -d : -f 1 | sort -u)
[00:30] <hplc> after that i got paranoid and tried rkhunter, and that gave me another answer, but nnow im becoming comfortble that rkhunter alerts ARE due to updates
[00:31] <ubuntu925> sat-buddhi: Not quite what I needed myself, but I'm not your end fix help. You will get it resolved I suspect at some point, not anything more I can add.
ok... Thanks very much
[00:32] <hplc> hmm on the other hand, i COULD myself SHA256 hash all those files in clean repo
[00:33] <hplc> perhaps not even thats what causing ubuntu to freeze and hang thou
[00:34] <Jordan_U> hplc: What are the exact symptoms of the problem you're having?
[00:35] <hplc> Jordan_U, my ubuntu 14?04.2 is so very very slow, and after an hour it becomes unresponive , then apps start to hang, the entire kernel
[00:36] <hplc> Jordan_U, an airconditioner is blowing cold air over it so it shouldnt be heat
[00:36] <hplc> Jordan_U, and i regurlary vacumm away dust from the cabnett
[00:37] <hplc> ...i hope that was |exact"
[00:38] <TJ-> hplc: that sounds like some process is leaking memory and so the system is running out of RAM and using swap
[00:38] <hplc> bah, this british \ US keyboard layout, i wish i knew howto change in lubuntu environment
[00:39] <hplc> TJ-, thanks :) now i have a point to start from atleast thanks
[00:40] <hplc> had to install lubuntu frontend , ubuntu dragged it halt even faster
[00:41] <hplc> when thinking of it...........there have been complaints lately that there is no swap anymore, got destroyed somehow
[00:42] <hplc> and RAM fills up with blablabla
[00:52] <taquilla> poramorachavez
[00:52] <taquilla> poramorachavez
[00:52] <taquilla> poramorachavez
[00:52] <taquilla> taquilla, uilla
[00:52] <taquilla> taquilla
[00:52] <taquilla> taquilla
[00:53] <Jordan_U> taquilla: Please stop.
[00:56] <Jordan_U> olabaz: I don't know. I would have expected the following command to re-prompt, but it doesn't appear to on my system: sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confask install --reinstall grub-pc
[00:56] <awojo> If I enable dhcp on MAAS will it interfere with my other dhcp server? I.E cause network conflictds
[00:56] <olabaz> Jordan_U, ok no worries I'll just wait for it to come up again lol
[00:57] <Jordan_U> olabaz: If you wouldn't mind trying that command, I'm curious if it will work for you. It's a slightly modified (based on my reading of "man dpkg") version of one of the solutions posted here: http://serverfault.com/questions/82801/linux-how-to-restore-config-file-using-apt-get-aptitude
[00:59] <olabaz> Jordan_U, it seems to not do anything
[00:59] <olabaz> stuff happened but no prompt
[01:09] <toothrot> hi, i'd like to create a very restricted user account. it would be a bit like a service account... it won't need shell access, or a home dir, etc. (it's going to be used from a web interface, which syncs with the os users)
[01:09] <toothrot> can anyone point me in the right direction on something like that
[01:13] <OerHeks> toothrot, logout, and use the guest account. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeGuestSession
[01:13] <toothrot> what? it needs to be a named account with a password
[01:14] <toothrot> it'll be used by someone accessing a web interface (ajenti)
[01:16] <OerHeks> toothrot, then you need the users & groups tool, not installed standard, part of gnome-system-tools
[01:16] <jParkton> I dont know if this is a Kubuntu issue or not, I connected my laptop via VGA adapter to my hdtv and selected input "PC" and it displayed 'a' desktop that was like a side desktop to mine? And I couldnt play movies or anything on the side desktop
[01:16] <toothrot> this is for a server
[01:17] <jParkton> does anyone know if there is a specific setting on my laptop I need to use?
[01:18] <Ben64> jParkton: you can change how it displays using the display settings thingy. or nvidia-settings if you have nvidia
[01:19] <olabaz> jParkton, are you trying to mirror your display or have an extended screen?
[01:20] <ki7mt> toothrot, I'd just create a normal user, then remove the groups you dont want it to have access too, or, create a group with minimal access and add the user to that group only.
[01:20] <toothrot> ki7mt, ok, i'll start there
[01:21] <OerHeks> to connect with a ajenti service, or to run ajenti on that server?
[01:21] <toothrot> OerHeks, not to run ajenti. ajenti syncs with the system accounts...
[01:21] <toothrot> so i want a user i can give permission to the web interface
[01:21] <toothrot> but can't log in to the actual server
[01:24] <kiki_lamb> Can someone direct me to an up-to-date-ish guide to making a Ubuntu server join a Windows (AD) domain?
[01:24] <kiki_lamb> Thanks
[01:24] <kiki_lamb> Google's offering me old-ish looking ones
[01:24] <ki7mt> toothrot, That may be tricky, does your web-interface use server authentication?
[01:25] <OerHeks> You could run a vm on that server, connecting to the ajenti-service, and ssh/screen tunnel
[01:25] <toothrot> ki7mt, what do you mean by "use server authentication?" ?
[01:25] <toothrot> it uses the credentials from the system it is running on..
[01:26] <toothrot> (it's set up that way, anyhow)
[01:26] <OerHeks> "chapter: how do i work @home and nobody notice it"
[01:26] <ki7mt> toothrot, Normally, web apps have their own DB for Admin and Users, and do not authenticate through the server passwd mechanics.
[01:26] <hplc> Tj was right, i applied valgrind on browser midori and got report saying exactly where, how and how bad memory leaked
[01:27] <toothrot> ki7mt, yea, if it was setup that way, i wouldn't need to create a system account... ajenti is a server control panel.
[01:27] <ki7mt> toothrot, To allow that would be a big security concern.
[01:27] <toothrot> it can work that way, bt it's not configured like that
[01:27] <b4tm4n> what is the format of files in /etc/default/?
[01:28] <toothrot> ki7mt, ajenti is a web interface for admining the server...
[01:28] <ki7mt> toothrot, Fare enough :-) ... Hopefully, it's secure then.
[01:29] <toothrot> to be hoenst, i'm not a fan really either, but it wasn't my choice
[01:29] <toothrot> i'm trying to make sure what i'm doing won't be at fault at the very least :P
[01:29] <ki7mt> Yeah, I much prefer Keys Only server administration, but too each their own.
[01:31] <hinderaker> So on a scale from 1 to 10 how bad is it really to run irssi as root? :p
[01:32] <hinderaker> Got me thinking, I was a little eager and fired up irssi before I created a normal user and I got banned from the server for using root.
[01:32] <hinderaker> On a none-production, none-commercial box. Lets say its a VPS for irc only!
[01:33] <mach20x> I'm getting snow on my screen right now, it happened after I came back to my locked screen
[01:34] <hinderaker> Maybe its snowing?
[01:34] <ki7mt> hinderaker, Well, if you get hacked as root, it's certainly game over. At least with a non-privileged user it's contained somewhat.
[01:35] <hinderaker> ki7mt: Fair enough. But why does freenode care? :p
[01:35] <jParkton> olabaz: mirror my desktop
[01:35] <ki7mt> hinderaker, You'd have to ask them why.
[01:35] <ki7mt> I could guess, but, that's all it would be is a guess.
[01:35] <jParkton> Ben64: there was nothing I saw in my display settings
[01:36] <olabaz> jParkton, I think default is extending desktop. If you do a search for Display on your desktop you should be able to configure it.
[01:36] <hinderaker> ^^
[01:36] <jParkton> ok i will have another go at it in a bit
[01:36] <OerHeks> we have a !root factoid
[01:37] <hinderaker> :P
[01:37] <mach20x> how can I show a print screen
[01:37] <OerHeks> imgur picpaste
[01:38] <jParkton> press "print Screen" then paste it on imgur or install screencloud from the repos
[01:38] <jParkton> it is pretty awesome
[01:38] <OerHeks> live drive
[01:42] <jParkton> yes
[01:48] <dj3000> shutter is the best app for screenshitz
[01:48] <dj3000> screenshotz
[01:49] <gagalicious> is there a (read/write capable) compressed filesystem for linux for storing images/videos only?
[01:49] <Ben64> ext4?
[01:55] <petrvs> gagalicious: compressing media is incredibly intensive, it wouldn't be worth it
[02:04] <ekem> will running `sudo apt-get remove xfce4 plymouth gdm lightdm` on a fresh ubuntu install scrap the entire os by removing dependencies?
[02:05] <ekem> seems a user ran this and the os removed itself and has no boot entry
[02:14] <jgq> hello
[02:15] <jgq> 你好
[02:15] <svetlana> Hi
[02:15] <jgq> where are you
[02:17] <mach20x> Userspace
[02:18] <mach20x> Running a Memtest on my RAM, since my Ubuntu environment crashed
[02:19] <mach20x> Screen froze
[02:19] <JohnDoe1972> hey
[02:19] <JohnDoe1972> guys can someone explain which version of kylin i shoul d download ?
[02:20] <JohnDoe1972> 14.04.2 or 15.04 ?
[02:21] <mach20x> First time it froze since I woke up was while using Hangouts in Firefox, last night it froze while using rhythmbox
[02:21] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: 14.04 is LT 5 years support vs 15.04 9 months
[02:22] <JohnDoe1972> why does a newer version get less support ?
[02:22] <root1> Deneme.
[02:22] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: Ubuntu has long and short term releases is all.
[02:23] <JohnDoe1972> ok so 14.04.2 it is then
[02:23] <JohnDoe1972> dows it include grub ?
[02:23] <mach20x> JohnDoe1972: I'm having lots of troubles with 15.04 myself, so I'd say 14.04.2 as well
[02:23] <JohnDoe1972> im noob with linux so thx for help guys
[02:24] <Tex_Nick> JohnDoe1972: yes it has grub
[02:24] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: Yeah, grub is the bootloader automatically on standard installs, you have a choice where you want it however.
[02:24] <mach20x> Should have grub 2.xx
[02:24] <JohnDoe1972> nice. im looking to create dual boot
[02:24] <JohnDoe1972> linux / 7
[02:24] <Keanne> can someone tell me how to disable mousepad in ubuntu 15.04?
[02:25] <JohnDoe1972> ok gnite guys
[02:25] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: choice of grub placement is in the manual install called "something else" in the install gui 6 or 7th screen
[02:25] <root1> Why would you want that?
[02:25] <Keanne> there is no option in system settings
[02:25] <apb1963> Trying to install k3b, but it says "Package k3b is not available, but is referred to by another package." ubuntu 14.04 with kde
[02:25] <Tex_Nick> mach20x: I tried 15.04 for about a month, also had issues with that I didn't care to try and resolve, so just went back to 14.04
[02:26] <JohnDoe1972> ok thx for heads up ubuntu925
[02:26] <ubuntu925> no prob
[02:26] <root1> I'm new to Weechat, so here is a dumb question... How do I use my terminal without closing WeeChat guys?
[02:26] <JohnDoe1972> whats people experiance of running games under wine ?
[02:26] <Ben64> root1: first off you shouldn't be running stuff as root
[02:27] <root1> I noticed that. ;___;
[02:27] <root1> I didn't notice I was running it on root, I'm always on root.
[02:27] <Ben64> root1: don't always be on root
[02:27] <root1> What's wrong with it?
[02:28] <mach20x> Tex_Nick: sound, audio, and network negotiation (wired and wireless) were my problems. What was your method of downgrade?
[02:28] <JohnDoe1972> root is like c: leaving your whole system open to attack
[02:28] <root1> I know... that. I always leave the door open.
[02:28] <JohnDoe1972> if your root get poisioned your whole body will diew
[02:29] <root1> What if I'm on a virtual machine?
[02:29] <JohnDoe1972> i hear that protects you but !
[02:29] <Ben64> root1: it doesn't matter, its not the way to do things
[02:29] <Tex_Nick> mach20x: I just did a backup of home ... then a clean install of 14.04
[02:30] <ubuntu925> funner ways to live on the edge
[02:30] <JohnDoe1972> whats a typical partition size to assighn ubuntu 14.04?
[02:30] <root1> brb
[02:31] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: min is 6 gigs or so, do this with a seperate home in the end.
[02:31] <Tex_Nick> JohnDoe1972: for wine, have you looked at ... https://appdb.winehq.org/
[02:32] <JohnDoe1972> ubuntu925, seperate home in the end ? im not sure i folllow you ?
[02:32] <JohnDoe1972> Tex_Nick, thx 4 link
[02:32] <Tex_Nick> JohnDoe1972: np
[02:33] <limberian> Ben, are you there?
[02:33] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: With linux you have a choice to have your home in a seperate partiton, many do this as changing the release and even OS's is possible while keeping data and some configs.
[02:33] <Captonjamason> how can i change the packground picture in terminal, every fourm post i go to say there is a "Background" tab in profile settings but there isnt for me, how can i change it to a custom image?
[02:33] <mach20x> Tex_Nick: any ideas on generating a script to reinstall previously used applications, and/or settings?
[02:33] <Captonjamason> *background
[02:34] <limberian> Is ben67 here?
[02:34] <JohnDoe1972> ubuntu925, so 6 gig for the os and ? 4 gig for home ? home is like a bige back up for media configs etc ?
[02:35] <Captonjamason> ben 64 and 47 are here, no ben 67
[02:35] <Keanne> nevermind, i just installed touchpad indicator
[02:35] <limberian> JohnDoe1972: Hello, can I ask something?
[02:35] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: That is tiny how much space do you have?
[02:35] <JohnDoe1972> sure
[02:35] <limberian> I'm the root guy, before.
[02:35] <limberian> If you remember.
[02:35] <JohnDoe1972> umm like the hd is about 160 gb but its got 2 partitions already
[02:36] <JohnDoe1972> roughly 8- gb each
[02:36] <JohnDoe1972> 80
[02:36] <JohnDoe1972> so i want to shrink both and cut her into 3 pieces
[02:36] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: can you confirm the free space?
[02:36] <JohnDoe1972> 55 gb
[02:36] <Johnny_Linux> getRdooooone
[02:36] <Tex_Nick> mach20x: I just keep install notes on new installs & anytime I add an app, utility, ppa ... etc. for reference and trouble shooting and new installs
[02:37] <Captonjamason> how can i change the background picture in terminal, every fourm post i go to say there is a "Background" tab in profile settings but there isnt for me, how can i change it to a custom image?
[02:37] <apb1963> Trying to install k3b, but it says "Package k3b is not available, but is referred to by another package." ubuntu 14.04 with kde... any ideas on fixing this error?
[02:38] <JohnDoe1972> ubuntu925, ?
[02:38] <JohnDoe1972> ive plenty basically
[02:38] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: I would be safe a start with 20 gigs, a separate home is some people s choice, personally I don't bother, just mentioned as although antiquated still popular
[02:38] <JohnDoe1972> but i wish to save as much as i can for the other partitions
[02:39] <ubuntu925> which means?
[02:39] <JohnDoe1972> do you get a loading screen with grub ?
[02:39] <JohnDoe1972> wwhich means ill go with 20 gb and no home dir
[02:40] <Tex_Nick> JohnDoe1972: typically if you only have one OS installed ... grub is bypassed on boot
[02:41] <JohnDoe1972> im wanting to have win 7 and kylie
[02:41] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: Yes on grub and yeah on a straight 20 gig install. However you will now have 4 partitions, 2 you had and ubuntu and it's swap, this install could be contained in an extended partition,for more partitions.
[02:42] <ubuntu925> unless you are uefi of course
[02:42] <JohnDoe1972> uefi ?
[02:43] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: UEFI is the Windows install model, as of W8.
[02:43] <JohnDoe1972> im still 7
[02:43] <ubuntu925> !uefi | JohnDoe1972
[02:43] <JohnDoe1972> ok thn but not relevan tto me currently
[02:44] <JohnDoe1972> thx
[02:44] <JohnDoe1972> 3.30 am 0_0 .. i need to sleep
[02:44] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: Be sure to confirm you're not uefi, just having 7 does not mean you don't
[02:44] <JohnDoe1972> thax for all the advice n info guys
[02:44] <Tex_Nick> JohnDoe1972: also for dual boot ... keep in mind that installation is much easier if you install win first then linux ... that linux will setup grub automatically for dual boot ... so for dual boot installs ... win then lin
[02:44] <JohnDoe1972> 0_0 umm confirm im not uefi . how ?
[02:45] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: paste bin sudo fdisk -l
[02:46] <JohnDoe1972> if its not avail untill 8 then i HAVE to be the previos file system
[02:46] <JohnDoe1972> ok i ned to sleep
[02:46] <JohnDoe1972> later gus
[02:47] <ubuntu925> JohnDoe1972: Not a solid conclusion but it is your setup. )
[02:50] <Tex_Nick> ubuntu925: I no longer use MS OS's, ... if bios supports uefi disable, will latest MS OS's still install ? up to say win 10 ?
[02:50] <Tex_Nick> with uefi disabled that is ^^^
[02:50] <tomhardy> hey i'm in the ubuntu install proces and it's saying "Theis machines firmware has started the installer in UEFI mode but theres' an exisitng system using BIOS compatibility mode".. what should i do?
[02:52] <ubuntu925> Tex_Nick: I have W 10 on a msdos, not sure about what you describe have not had an uefi setup to mess with.
[02:53] <Tex_Nick> msdos ? hmmm well ok thanks for feedback
[02:56] <lost> quantum: what up
[02:57] <quantum> lost: better then facebook
[02:57] <lost> quantum: i dont think so but theres lots of people who know stuff about linux here
[02:57] <ubuntu925> Tex_Nick: I think a reinstall of windows as decribed is not a huge deal. Heh, it's the support, none on ##windows would be my guess.
[02:58] <lost> quantum: and this doesnt track everything you do
[02:58] <lost> can anyone help me with sshing
[02:59] <tomhardy> lost: yh what's the issue?
[02:59] <svetlana> what's the problem
[02:59] <Tex_Nick> ubuntu925: was just a matter of curosity for me ;-)
[03:00] <lost> tomhardy: im just learning about it and am trying to ssh my machine its at my moms house and want to connect remotely
[03:01] <tomhardy> ok.. have you logged onto the router and forwarded the port from your router to your mums computer?
[03:02] <tomhardy> does your mums computer have openssh installed? what operating system is it running? windows / osx / linux?
[03:04] <tomhardy> hey guys. is the encryption that is used int he ubuntu setup "encrypt the new Ubuntu isntallation for security" full disk encryption?
[03:09] <AndChat|475904> tomhardy: Yes. You can either use LUKS encryption of your root filesystem, leaving /boot/ essentially the only thing unencrypted, or you can choose to have ecryptfs encrypt only the files in your home directory. I personally think that the latter option makes more sense.
[03:10] <tomhardy> yeah i agree
[03:11] <Tex_Nick> tomhardy: see this, it's for 13.10 but I think holds true up to 115.04 ... http://askubuntu.com/questions/429590/what-are-the-advantages-disadvantages-of-the-new-encryption-feature-in-ubuntu-13
[03:11] <lost> tomhardy: hey sorry i havent done this no and it doesnt havee openssh because i didnt know what to use thank you im terying to set up my own botnet
[03:12] <Tex_Nick> 15.04 jeeze i was thinking a ways ahwd there :(
[03:12] <xangua> 115.04, won't live for that
[03:13] <lost> does anyone know some where i could go to download a bunch of scripts that are pre made ?
[03:13] <Tex_Nick> xangua: lol ;-)
[03:13] <tomhardy> lost: your way out of your depth.. get some books, learn the basics
[03:14] <tomhardy> lost: anyone who makes anything clever most often has a very deep understanding of both programming and operating systems
[03:15] <tomhardy> and bare in mind.. if your doing anything illegal.. most people get caught and are given hefty jail sentances
[03:15] <adante> 115.05 sneaky skynet
[03:16] <Tex_Nick> lost: you might try something like realVNC for gui remote connectivity ... multi-platform & relatively easy to setup & use
[03:16] <tomhardy> wow that ubuntu installation was ridiclous
[03:16] <tomhardy> fastest installation out of any operating system i've ever used for 30 years
[03:17] <tomhardy> does dist-upgrade include upgrade?
[03:17] <Tone> Yes it does
[03:17] <tomhardy> swwet
[03:18] <neonixcoder> I am having a strange issue with my USB drive..
[03:18] <neonixcoder> What ever data I write in to it, I can not see it..
[03:18] <neonixcoder> I checked if they are hidden and nothing like that.
[03:19] <neonixcoder> but I can clearly see space has be reduced..
[03:19] <neonixcoder> any suggestions experts?
[03:19] <bodhi_zazen> what file system ?
[03:19] <tomhardy> neonixcoder: you've gone in terminal and done ls -al ?
[03:19] <Ben64> neonixcoder: need more information, what filesystem, what are you writing, where, etc
[03:20] <bodhi_zazen> does the usb work on other OS ?
[03:21] <neonixcoder> bodhi_zazen: Its a FAT file system and /etc/mtab content for this USB drive is "vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro 0 0"
[03:21] <Guest9397> I have encrypted files on my Lubuntu, which isn't booting properly. The Lubuntu is running as a Virtualbox which may have been corrupted to some extent. I am running a live CD in virtualbox
[03:21] <neonixcoder> tomhardy:Thats the first thing I did..
[03:22] <neonixcoder> Ben64: I am writing some of my photos to it.. I can still see earlier(some 3 months back written data) written photos but not the ones which I written y'day.. in some folder
[03:26] <neonixcoder> Any suggestion team?
[03:32] <Guest9397> i will install zulucrypt, maybe i will be able to find and mount those encrypted files
[03:42] <tomhardy> damn apple
[03:42] <tomhardy> have to swap my mouse scroll direction
[03:42] <tomhardy> lol
[03:45] <BuzzardBuzz> while you are at it might swap that apple for an orange
[03:46] <guest8574> What do you guys think of my cool looking desktop? http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_from_2015-06-16-57XVoBwb.png
[03:46] <tomhardy> i can see why the swapped it (for touch) but having to jump from osx to ubuntu all day.. i have ot have them the same :)
[03:46] <guest8574> Any way to get rid of those annoying popups?
[03:47] <BuzzardBuzz> just use a good popup blocker
[03:50] <silva> hi, having some trouble with audible pings (i.e. ping -a google.com), checked to see if I could manually make the sound with "echo -e '\a'", but no dice. anyone know whats going on?
[03:52] <Guest9397> I have a .ecryptfs/<username>/.ecryptfs folder with files "auto-mount auto-umount Private.mnt Private.sig wrapped-passphrase". There are encrypted files somewhere. How can I mount them manually?
[03:52] <Guest9397> I installed zuluCrypt but I do not know what file to point it to
[03:53] <petrvs> Guest9397: ls /usr/bin/*ecrypt*
[03:55] <tomhardy> do you have to install sshd on desktop ubuntu?
[03:55] <cfhowlett> tomhardy, no
[03:55] <tomhardy> i mean.. does it come with it?
[03:55] <cfhowlett> tomhardy, not by default
[03:55] <Guest9397> Google has recommended ecryptfs-recover-private which is now searching for encrypted stuff
[03:55] <tomhardy> ahh i see
[03:56] <Guest9397> This would be easier if it weren't a live CD running in a virtualbox }:(
[03:56] <cfhowlett> Guest9397, so ... install to vbox??
[03:56] <petrvs> Guest9397: if I had to guess, recovery is more than you need, but whatever
[03:58] <robbix> can anybody recommend a popular and intuitive IDE for HTML/Javascript/PHP editing in Ubuntu?
[03:59] <regedit> Jordan_U: heya
[04:02] <regedit> Jordan_U / TJ-: sadly, removing all HDDs did not help the BIOS find itself...
[04:02] <lost> quantum: type this
[04:02] <lost> quantum: sudo apt-get install openssh-client
[04:02] <Guest9397> ok it is mounted and i can kinda sorta access the files?
[04:02] <Guest9397> I think I am going to say screw it, and copy the files to a new partition then reinstall
[04:03] <lost> quantum:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9P7LhrRXmk
[04:06] <ant4t> robbix - bluefish?
[04:06] <ant4t> sorry- didn't see the UDE after it :X
[04:06] <robbix> ant4t: Tried that one. Giving others a shot to compare. I don't mind it.
[04:11] <Guest9397> >click OK on giant operation and it freezes - you're not sure if it's just doing the giant operation, or nothing
[04:14] <ant4t> robbix: so far the only thing i've had any luck with- coming from a long history with windows
[04:16] <ant4t> really wish i knew why xchat doesn't autocomplete in ubuntu.. i feel incredibly stupid
[04:16] <ant4t> @robbix: nothing seems to work correctly!
[04:16] <cfhowlett> ant4t, xchat is abandonware. try hexchat
[04:16] <ant4t> hexchat you say?
[04:16] <ant4t> ill check it out
[04:16] <cfhowlett> FTW
[04:17] <ant4t> i just recently reinstalled ubuntu, and adapting is going pretty okay- still used to windows WAY too much
[04:18] <ubuntu491> ant4t: Just keep drinking the koolaid
[04:18] <ant4t> haha
[04:19] <ant4t> i'm trying not to, i think? unless you really mean that ;)
[04:19] <havingabadday> Hi, hopefully everyones in a helpful mood and having a better day than i.
[04:19] <ant4t> uh oh
[04:19] <havingabadday> lol..
[04:19] <ant4t> i highly doubt that
[04:20] <ant4t> i completely crashed a network today- not on purpose.
[04:20] <havingabadday> i'll try anyway. if not.. back to alcoholism.
[04:20] <ant4t> and have no idea how to fix it- the office is using these super old VPN routers that i have NO experience with
[04:20] <ant4t> i'm hoping they choose to go with new appliances, but we shall see
[04:21] <ant4t> anyway, your problem?
[04:24] <havingabadday> X99, 2 ssd's, sda=win 8.1 sdb=15.04 ubuntu. Not used ubuntu's installer, expected a popup for grub but that never happened? ... grub is installed on sdb but has poked my windows drive in someway that is causing it to bluescreen on bootup (5seconds of animation than bam, it goes down hard) no matter how i boot into the windows drive it fails so hard andfast i can't even see the error message. windows auto repairs are garbage, ... 4
[04:24] <havingabadday> hour of googling is prooving that my google-foo is weak.
[04:25] <havingabadday> too add to the mess my bios decided to have a sh1tfit and crap out on the USB drivers so i ended up flashing to the latest.. seems to have fixed that problem.
[04:27] <ant4t> ant4t: weeee
[04:27] <ant4t> much better. im guessing ;)
[04:28] <havingabadday> new bios? kinda. it's uefi and it responds to inputs like you are daisy chained through 10 vnc windows
[04:29] <Guest9397> Gparted complains "Invalid partition table on /dev/sda -- wrong signature 0" and won't let me resize
[04:31] <Guest9397> i accidentally mounted to /tmp, crap
[04:32] <havingabadday> moaning about windows and returning to alcohol it is then
[04:32] <havingabadday> thanks anyway guys.
[04:39] <SubCool> is anyone famliar with a VNC client that supports SSL? i had one that was amazing- it was Vimo or someting..
[04:52] <B0g4r7> havingabadday, I find that holding the [left] shift key at boot time brings up the grub menu.
[04:53] <lost> quantum:http://kpvz7kpmcmne52qf.onion/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
[04:56] <mark__> having problems installing ubuntu 15 on vaio z with 160 gb ssd raid 0 with windows 7 pro. when installed ubuntu it said i have multiple os, i choose the first option to install with windows keeping my files. i made a partition in windows before hand by shrinking my drive by 21 gb unallocated space. ubuntu has installed on that drive. but boot loader was fatal error. and i think it creaated 6 partitions now and the 6th one says out of parameters of hd
[04:57] <explodes> Hey! Did an upgrade from 14.04 to 15.04 and now my main speakers do not work (headphones work fine)
[04:57] <explodes> My soundcard is detected, so that's a plus
[04:58] <xangua> explodes: how did you upgrade from 14.04 to 15.04? you can not upgrade directly from 14.04 to 15.04
[04:58] <explodes> pulseaudio doesn't seem to know my soundcard exists
[04:58] <explodes> hmm maybe it was 14.10? I rand "do-release-upgrade"
[04:59] <explodes> I'm pretty sure it was 14.04
[05:02] <SubCool> could someone help clarify the use of SSVNC.
[05:03] <explodes> I've been googling for a couple of hours, was hoping someone here knew anything better
[05:05] <SubCool> its suppsoed to be setting up stunnel, (got me if it is). But its running an x11vnc command, with attributes im not sure would work in my siutation. 'x11vnc -localhost' - since im connecting. im pretty sure that is NOT something i want to use.. right? '
[05:06] <SubCool> wish i could help, but ive never had good use of ubuntu and sound cards..
[05:07] <explodes> rebooting..
[05:07] <lost> how do yo make a 1v1 chat on this irc?
[05:08] <svetlana> lost: '/query nick'
[05:09] <lost> svetlana: hi what i mean whas can i have a one on one chat but not be in this chat room?
[05:09] <svetlana> yes, using the /query command
[05:09] <lost> svetlana: query command?
[05:09] <svetlana> yes
[05:10] <svetlana> i.e. /query svetlana
[05:11] <lost> can you explain?
[05:14] <limberian> Good morning peepl. It's 8am here.
[05:14] <liquidee> 7 here
[05:14] <liquidee> :)
[05:14] <limberian> Where are you from?
[05:14] <liquidee> poland
[05:14] <limberian> Should be awesome.
[05:15] <squinty> lost: if using xchat or hexchat, right click on person's nick and then select "open dialog window". first ask if it is ok to pm the person who you want a private session with
[05:15] <limberian> Can I ask something
[05:16] <somsip> limberian: as long as it is on topic
[05:16] <limberian> I'm sure it is, how can I use my terminal without using weechat?
[05:16] <somsip> limberian: open another instance of terminal
[05:17] <limberian> I can't, weechat keeps opening instead.
[05:17] <somsip> limberian: are you using unity?
[05:18] <gunndawg> limberian: check your bashrc and make sure weechat isnt in there
[05:18] <SubCool> there edoesnt seem to be a lot of poeple on tonight.
[05:18] <limberian> I will, thanks :3
[05:19] <gunndawg> limberian: also look in bash_profile
[05:19] <SubCool> anyone famliar with Certs?
[05:20] <Tex_Nick> out of curosity why would weechat open instead of terminal ? ... is that a common thing ?
[05:20] <liquidee> yes, thats strange to me :o
[05:21] <limberian> Actually I'm on debian right now. And when I open weechat on terminal, terminal becomes weechat.
[05:21] <gunndawg> Tex_Nick: if its in your bash config then it will load whatever is in there
[05:21] <gunndawg> if you have 'weechat' in your bashrc its giong to launch weechat when terminal starts
[05:22] <liquidee> i know, buy why you have it there in the first place
[05:22] <liquidee> how would this happen
[05:22] <gunndawg> liquidee: Its not my computer. I have no clue why that would happen. Doesnt happen to me
[05:23] <BuzzardBuzz> lost: cam i pm you?
[05:23] <BuzzardBuzz> can*
[05:24] <Tex_Nick> gunndawg: thanks for feedback ... does weechat add it's self to bashrc with standard install ?
[05:28] <BuzzardBuzz> subcool: it has been really quiet
[05:29] <Tex_Nick> offtopic has also been kinda quiet for 10 hrs or so
[05:29] <BuzzardBuzz> subcool: do you want to make some self signed certs for your server?
[05:31] <BuzzardBuzz> subcool: you need certs for running your ssl webserver
[05:44] <DocMAX> hi
[05:44] <DocMAX> is there a tool which checks if program is running and restart if its hanging or not running?
[05:52] <agent_white> Evenin'
[05:54] <BuzzardBuzz> hello its 12:30 am here near Chicago
[05:57] <squinty> DocMax: for gui check out System Monitor...
[06:00] <neewbee> System monitor is good, but it is CPU intensive when open.
[06:01] <SubCool_> BuzzardBuzz, well, thats the thing. i know i have made one for my owncloud. but - im just worried about these certs. im not sure what they really are doing.
[06:06] * squinty is reminded yet once again why he rarely joins in this channel these days
[06:12] <DocMAX> i have ubuntu server
[06:12] <DocMAX> i need non-GUI
[06:13] <squinty> then use your intellect and google for a viable solution such as kill, pkill etc etc etc
[06:13] <ubuntu491> DocMAX: Install htop and try it, this all can be done from the command line as well
[06:16] <neewbee> what is the difference b/w htop & top
[06:17] <OerHeks> htop got more tools, and more visual performance-meters
[06:17] <squinty> are you really that limited on resources you can't install and experiment for yourself?
[06:19] <DocMAX> htop cant monitor and restart a program
[06:19] <DocMAX> it can monitor
[06:19] <DocMAX> but cant restart
[06:21] <Ben64> what is the program
[06:21] <Bray90820_> Can I restart ubuntu through SSH?
[06:21] <polyhydra> yes
[06:21] <Bray90820_> How
[06:21] <Ben64> sudo reboot
[06:21] <kunji> Bray90820: It's better if you don't know :P
[06:21] <Bray90820_> Thanks
[06:22] <SubCool_> Bray90820_, use sudo reboot -f
[06:22] <Bray90820_> Thanks
[06:22] <OerHeks> Bray90820_, only if that ssh account has root priv.
[06:22] <kunji> Bray90820: Be VERY CAREFUL that it will come back up as expected and you will be able to ssh in again.
[06:22] <OerHeks> but you will find out
[06:22] <Bray90820_> It does
[06:25] <Bray90820_> it hung
[06:25] <Bray90820_> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1e54239be89bc499bbe4
[06:25] <cyris212> whenever I use i3wm on my laptop it goes to sleep after 1-2 minutes (tested with ubuntu and debian)
[06:25] <cyris212> any idea what that could be?
[06:31] <boodllebat> i have a server and suddenly a random domain is pointing to my server how should i prevent that domain to pint my server thanks
[06:32] <agent_white> cyris212: That's likely not an i3wm issue, but of the OS. You may want to look into managing ACPI events with systemd, or startup scripts to change this "1-2 minute" time.
[06:33] <cyris212> agent_white: the funny thing is that xfce works without any problems
[06:33] <Ben64> boodllebat: you can't
[06:33] <boodllebat> somebody is hacking my server from honk kong
[06:33] <Ben64> unlikely
[06:34] <Tone_Float> i recovered a lot of my files but a lot are also corrupted it seems
[06:34] <Tone_Float> :(
[06:34] <agent_white> cyris212: KDE/GNOME/Xfce generally have programs that work with power-management to delay it or avoid it.
[06:34] <Tone_Float> i'm fscking stuff to make it work better maybe
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> Tone_Float: did you try photorec?
[06:35] <agent_white> cyris212: Do some research into power-management and init scripts in ubuntu.
[06:35] <Tone_Float> i did not try any undeleting things but i might
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | Tone_Float start photorec after installing
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> Tone_Float: it can recover data from far away ages
[06:36] <Tone_Float> yum
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> im testing gmail notifier indicator, and says login failed anyone had this issue before?
[06:48] <Tone_Float> lotuspsychje: I am not entirely clear on how I would use photorec on a "private" encrypted partition
[06:48] <Tone_Float> nor fsck for that matter. It doesn't show as a "Disk" option when I open program
[06:49] <Ben64> you'd have to decrypt it first
[06:49] <Tone_Float> it is decrypted and mounted, I can open some of the files but others are problematic
[06:49] <Ben64> so use the decrypted device to make a copy, then photorec on that
[06:50] <Tone_Float> er... like a straight cp?
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> i found the problem on gmail notify, its gmail itself that blocks it and sends a mail to inbox to report the blocked login...someone knows a workaround for this?
[06:54] <histo> lotuspsychje: under gmail settings you have to enable a login thing. trying to remember their name for it
[06:55] <auzty> why i always get "Cannot start TLS: handshake failure" when sending mail using sendmail?
[06:55] <auzty> is TLS related dependencies that i must install first?
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> histo: yeah ive tryed, but it says wrong login
[06:56] <histo> Tone_Float: I don't believe you'll have much luck carving a mounted partition that was using evcryption
[06:56] <auzty> (this happened with one server, and the other server with same configuration didn't get that error)
[06:59] <histo> lotuspsychje: are you using imap?
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> histo: no the gmail notify indicator
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> !info gm-notify | histo
[07:00] <histo> lotuspsychje: notification indicator in what? what is it using for server settings
[07:00] <Tone_Float> i quit on getting more files back
[07:00] <Tone_Float> I'm just going to use what i have and reinstall ubuntu
[07:00] <Tone_Float> thank you for the help
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> histo: not sure what service its using, but it says login failed and i type the right l:p for sure
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> histo: after that i get a mail from gmail that it blocked a login
[07:02] <histo> lotuspsychje: under gmail settings you have to allow whatever service it's trying like pop3 or imap
[07:04] <lotuspsychje> histo: ah i found it mate, the link from gmail asks to block or enable apps
[07:04] <histo> lotuspsychje: there ya go
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> histo: so i unblocked apps, and bingo tnx!
[07:10] <histo> Tone_Float: sorry I'm tired. if you mount the partition or an image if it, the under lying file system should stoll present itself like a block device and you could recover files like normal.
[07:19] <Tone_Float> And I have done that before, histo, but that was when it was a encrypted full partition. Now it's just files in ~/.ecryptfs and idk it'll get the same options
[07:19] <Tone_Float> I'm not too worried about it
[07:25] <Dark-Bot> Hello, I installed Ubuntu 14.04 LTS with the intention of dual boot with Windows 7, however it boots directly into Ubuntu with no menu, how can I fix this?
[07:25] <EriC^^> Dark-Bot: you can create an entry for windows in grub
[07:25] <Dark-Bot> The partition and installation were done correctly
[07:26] <EriC^^> try sudo update-grub
[07:26] <Dark-Bot> Ok sweet thank you
[07:27] <EriC^^> if it doesn't work, you can create the entry manually
[07:27] <EriC^^> no problem
[07:27] <Dark-Bot> It looks like it found a few things .. linux image, initrd image, linux image, initrd image, memtest86+, memtest86+, windows 7
[07:28] <EriC^^> ok, great
[07:28] <Dark-Bot> thank you eric
[07:28] <EriC^^> no problem
[07:32] <boodllebat> i wanna grep for two pattern like grep "phrase1" && "phrase2" myfile
[07:32] <EriC^^> boodllebat: grep "phrase1\|phrase2" /myfile
[07:33] <EriC^^> that's an or though
[07:33] <histo> EriC^^: -e ?
[07:34] <EriC^^> histo: it works without -e
[07:34] <boodllebat> EriC^^: i want it like that only show which have both phrase1 and phrase2
[07:34] <histo> EriC^^: he wants multiple patterns right?
[07:34] <EriC^^> boodllebat: then grep "phrase1.*phrase" /myfile
[07:34] <EriC^^> but that means phrase1 comes before phrase2 in the sentence
[07:35] <EriC^^> histo: he wants if both are in the file
[07:35] <histo> boodllebat: grep -e pattenr1 -e pattern2
[07:36] <EriC^^> histo: not sure that's it, he wants if both are there
[07:36] <EriC^^> does that work?
[07:36] <boodllebat> EriC^^: yeah worked
[07:36] <EriC^^> ok, cool
[07:44] <TrojanXV> [ChanServ]
[07:50] <nvk> hey, just a quick question
[07:50] <polyhydra_> shoot
[07:50] <nvk> I have downloaded a .deb file that has its data compressed with xz, how do I change the compression?
[07:53] <OerHeks> nvk, see man xz # -0 ... -9 Select a compression preset level. The default is -6.
[07:54] <histo> nvk: why?
[07:55] <nvk> histo: actually I'm trying to install a deb file in an old distro, and i'm getting this error " contains ununderstood data member data.tar.xz/ , giving up"
[07:55] <nvk> I read that changing the compression might do the trick, but haven't found how
[07:56] <OerHeks> nvk, you better check the md5sum, if provided
[07:56] <OerHeks> and a corrupt xz container, what would you change to fix ?
[07:57] <nvk> OerHeks: is it that the package is corrupted?
[07:58] <OerHeks> It is not saying all oke, is it?
[07:59] <OerHeks> !md5sum
[08:06] <Dark-Bot> hey eric are you still here?
[08:07] <Dark-Bot> just wondering if there any way to set windows as the default in grub?
[08:08] <alumnat> hi
[08:09] <lasers> Dark-Bot: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/ChangeDefaultOS
[08:09] <histo> Dark-Bot: edit /etc/default/grub and then sudo update-grub
[08:10] <alumnat> hello
[08:11] <Dark-Bot> thanks
[08:22] <the-erm> hello
[08:23] <EriC^^> hello
[08:23] <grunhart> yo
[08:24] <the-erm> Does anyone know how to get gstreamer to play flv files that are h264? I've installed every good, bad & ugly plugin I can find yet to no avail.
[08:24] <the-erm> Yet it still keeps reporting missing plugin.
[08:25] <grunhart> I just use VLC for everything, never had problem with it...
[08:25] <the-erm> Well the problem is I've been developing a media player for years now.
[08:25] <the-erm> Which is based on gstreamer.
[08:26] <the-erm> It's weird because mplayer works fine. Yet there are no gstreamer1.0-ffmpeg plugins.
[08:28] <histo> the-erm: do you ahve ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[08:28] <the-erm> Let me check
[08:29] <the-erm> http://pastebin.ca/3029925
[08:29] <the-erm> I have restricted, but not restricted-extras listed.
[08:30] <the-erm> I see what you're saying sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:30] <the-erm> Apparently I was missing something in that package.
[08:30] <the-erm> Thanks.
[08:30] <the-erm> Let's see if that works.
[08:31] <the-erm> on_sync_message: missing-plugin
[08:31] <the-erm> MISSING PLUGGIN
[08:31] <the-erm> Nope alas that doesn't work either.
[08:31] <the-erm> hmm.
[08:32] <histo> the-erm: should be in the good plugins
[08:32] <histo> weird
[08:32] <the-erm> Ya.
[08:33] <the-erm> In the past I've installed every gstreamer pluginn and it just sorta worked.
[08:35] <histo> the-erm: double check that gstreamer0.10-plugins-good is installed
[08:35] <the-erm> sure
[08:35] <the-erm> Yup it's installed
[08:36] <the-erm> Do you want me to paste it :)
[08:36] <the-erm> http://pastebin.ca/3029928
[08:37] <the-erm> Perhaps I'm using the wrong playbin ... I don't know. It's odd.
[08:37] <the-erm> I'll check in #gstreamer and see if there is any advice there.
[08:39] <Beetlejuice> sup
[08:39] <Beetlejuice> i'm using xubuntu
[08:40] <histo> Beetlejuice: good
[08:40] <Beetlejuice> hexchat
[08:40] <Beetlejuice> ufw
[08:40] <farooq> good
[08:40] <Beetlejuice> can i /sysinfo
[08:40] <Beetlejuice> ?
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> Beetlejuice: this channel is to be used for ubuntu support only
[08:40] <Beetlejuice> ah ok
[08:40] <Beetlejuice> i used a 4.0 kernel
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Beetlejuice
[08:40] <Beetlejuice> aha
[08:40] <Beetlejuice> np
[08:45] * ObrienDave waves from never-never land ;P
[08:52] <blzz> Hello, I just ran `cat /proc/mdstat` and discovered that a disk in my RAID5 array went down. How can I determine which disk is involved?
[08:57] <histo> blzz: does mdstat have any info about the disk?
[08:57] <blzz> histo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11729503/ Not anything specific
[08:58] <blzz> histo, uh wait, I'm an idiot
[08:58] <jordan_> anybody have experience compiling 4.0.5 for ubuntu 15.04?
[08:58] <ObrienDave> 4.0.5 what?
[08:58] <jordan_> kernel
[08:58] <jordan_> linux kernel 4.0.5
[08:59] <ObrienDave> !details
[08:59] <ObrienDave> it would be nice if you said so to begin with ;P
[08:59] <jordan_> Sorry my mistake
[09:00] <blzz> Okay, so there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the disk that went down. Is it safe just to add it back to the RAID array?
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> !kernel | jordan_
[09:06] <Alcapote> Hi :) I have a small question, when you want to make a script, which language do you prefere to use ? Bash, python, perl or other ?
[09:06] <liquidee_> Alcapote: depends on what you want to do
[09:08] <liquidee_> Alcapote: "make a script" is too general. Depends on what do you want to achieve
[09:11] <mistralol> I have some problem with virtualbox in vivid. It appears that it will run windows vms fine. However if i start a ubuntu virtual machine (also vivid) it locks up the host. Unfortunatly I cannot get it to produce and opps either anyone any suggestions?
[09:14] <bhuey> What's the current method of getting autologin for a getty on ttyS0 ?
[09:14] <bhuey> I've seen --autologin username for the options but it doesn't seem to work
[09:14] <bhuey> It use to work in 14.10
[09:19] <dreamer> hi all, trying to upgrade 2 (identical) machines with new fglrx. one went fine while the other gives: http://pastebin.com/uBh2Mv87
[09:20] <dreamer> btw on 14.04
[09:22] <akash> hi
[09:22] <farooq> hi
[09:22] <farooq> I am using ubuntu 14.04
[09:24] <farooq> i face a problem whenever ethernet wire is unpluged system not connected to the internet after reconnecting. The only solution works is system restart. Can anyone has any idea?
[09:24] <farooq> Please help
[09:26] <blz> Hello, I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the options out there for backing up my (headless) server OS and I could really use some advice/recommendations. My requirements are as follows: (1) I must be able to restore the entire system state (2) backup must run without any server downtime (3) delta backups strongly preferred (4) archive compression and encryption is strongly preferred
[09:28] <histo> !backup This page has a few options | blz
[09:28] <t0by> blz, I don't know but that's kind of what most backup technologies provide, in general. Even tape can be used for incremental backups, consider http://surf.ml.seikei.ac.jp/~nakano/dump-restore/dump-restore-mini-HOWTO.en.html#ss1.1
[09:28] <histo> !backup | blz This page has a few options
[09:29] <blz> histo, hmm I like the first page. Thanks
[09:29] <histo> farooq: how are you configuring your network?
[09:29] <histo> blz: I believe there is a table on that page that breaks them all down
[09:30] <t0by> blz, for non-gigantic data sets I am partial to tape or other removable media. The medium itself is inexpensive and you can have multiple backups on multiple different medias in different places, if you rely on RAID o ah hard disk with a z-backup you have a single point of failure.
[09:30] <farooq> using dhcp
[09:30] <histo> farooq: using the network manager or are you editing the /etc/network/interfaces by hand?
[09:30] <blz> t0by, the issue here has more to do with software than media. This is a home server so it's not, strictly-speaking, critical infrastructure
[09:30] <blz> t0by, it's just that I have a working setup and it would be a pain to redo :)
[09:31] <blz> So I'd rather not go out and buy a tape deck
[09:31] <t0by> blz,well, those are very cheap on the Evil Bay these days. Just saying :)
[09:31] <wasp__> blz, there are loads of options, Cloudberry & Bacula are 2 options we use at work. Both are pretty decent, I use Tarsnap for my private servers.
[09:31] <blz> Really I just have one 16 GB SSD that hosts the OS files and I'd ideally like to take a snapshot at a given point in time without having to dismount anything
[09:32] <blz> wasp__, I like the sound of tarsnap
[09:32] <wasp__> It's both decent & cheap
[09:33] <blz> oh but this is cloud storage :/ I was just hoping to store everything on a server at work
[09:33] <wasp__> Bacula then :)
[09:34] <blz> alright, I'll give it a whirl :)
[09:34] <wasp__> We use it to back up file servers, databases, web servers etc all seems to take it in it's stride
[09:34] <stemid> it takes a little work but I made my own backup system using rsnapshot and attic. it gives me a better dedup ratio than symantec netbackup.
[09:35] <farooq> I got this error after two to three minutes"could not connect dbus"
[09:39] <k1l_> farooq: what ubuntu exactly? what desktop? what errormessage (pastebin)? from what program?
[09:40] <farooq> I have not configured using gui on from file that is /etc/network/interfaces
[09:42] <okand|2> hi
[09:44] <k1l_> farooq: i still dont know what setup you use and what the real issue is
[09:44] <farooq> @ kll_ I am using ubuntu 14.04 with gnome desktop
[09:45] <k1l_> farooq: and you are using the networkmanager?
[09:45] <farooq> Issue is whenever ethernet unpluged it is not connected after plub in. Internet is working after restart
[09:46] <farooq> yes
[09:46] <k1l_> farooq: yes, because if you dont use the networkmanager you need to do that manually. use ifup and ifdown.
[09:46] <k1l_> you choose to not use the service, so you need to do it manually
[09:47] <farooq> I got some error after some time regarding dbus
[09:47] <crazyhorse18> how do you restart networking in ubutnu 15.04 ?
[09:47] <k1l_> farooq: if you set the settings in the /etc/network/interfaces the networkmanager will not make the networks
[09:48] <jokoon> anybody knows how to recover a win7 that won't boot anymore ? all I have is a win8.1 and a ubuntu 11 live cd
[09:48] <jokoon> and no linux installed
[09:48] <k1l_> crazyhorse18: since its systemd now use sysctl
[09:48] <farooq> i used ifup and if down also and /etc/init.d/networking restart but network not up
[09:48] <hateball> !windows | jokoon
[09:48] <cfhowlett> jokoon, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr , ask ##windows?
[09:49] <crazyhorse18> sudo systemctl restart ?
[09:49] <farooq> sudo systemctl restart ? IS THIS FOR ME?
[09:49] <k1l_> farooq: no!
[09:50] <k1l_> crazyhorse18: sudo systemctl restart network
[09:50] <jokoon> nobody answes on the windows channel -- for 1hr now
[09:50] <k1l_> jokoon: we cant tell you how to repair a windows. see if there is other windows support.
[09:50] <cfhowlett> jokoon, not an ubuntu issue, and we don't support windows. shocking, I know, but true
[09:51] <crazyhorse18> k1l_ didn't seem to work
[09:51] <farooq> this is the configuration of /etc/network/interfaces file "# interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8)auto loiface lo inet loopback"
[09:51] <k1l_> crazyhorse18: details matter
[09:51] <crazyhorse18> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/929fdc4154c5d1f44c5e << i added this to my /etc/network/interfaces
[09:52] <no_gravity> Hello! Does anybody know how to wait for a keypress inside a read loop? pseudocode: while read -r line { ... do stuff... WAIT FOR KEYPRESS ... } < file.txt
[09:52] <k1l_> !paste | farooq
[09:52] <crazyhorse18> sudo systemctl restart networking and then ifconfigh eth0 | grep inet addr and it's still on dhcp 1.1.104
[09:52] <asadmoosvi> hi
[09:52] <asadmoosvi> I have recently installed ubuntu 14.04.02 on my dell 7348 notebook which also has a touchscreen
[09:53] <asadmoosvi> the cursor shows up when i boot up the system
[09:53] <asadmoosvi> but then it disappears and the touchpad does not seem to work
[09:53] <asadmoosvi> when i close the lid
[09:53] <asadmoosvi> and open it back
[09:53] <asadmoosvi> the touchpad works fine
[09:53] <asadmoosvi> how can i fix this?
[09:53] <asadmoosvi> please help
[09:54] <asadmoosvi> please anyone?
[09:54] <cfhowlett> !patience | asadmoosvi
[09:54] <EriC^^> asadmoosvi: what is shown in dmesg after you open the lid? maybe that can tell
[09:55] <crazyhorse18> hmm ok i also tried sudo ifup eth0 and i get "ifup: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces""
[09:55] <asadmoosvi> in dmesg? how do I check that
[09:55] <EriC^^> asadmoosvi: open a terminal and type dmesg
[09:56] <k1l_> crazyhorse18: what are the file permissions of interfaces?
[09:56] <asadmoosvi> umm unfortunately i had gotten fed up of this problem and i installed linux mint, where the touchpad works perfectly, but I want to go back to ubuntu...
[09:56] <crazyhorse18> -rw-r--r--
[09:56] <farooq> kill please review this URL:http://paste.ubuntu.com/11729703/
[09:56] <crazyhorse18> k1l_, -rw-r--r--
[09:56] <crazyhorse18> k1l_, -rw-r--r-- root:root
[09:57] <cfhowlett> asadmoosvi, for mint support ask mint. after you install ubuntu, come back for support
[09:57] <cfhowlett> !mint | asadmoosvi
[09:57] <k1l_> crazyhorse18: that looks right.
[09:57] <asadmoosvi> so I should come back here once I get ubuntu installed again?
[09:58] <cfhowlett> asadmoosvi, correctomundo
[09:58] <asadmoosvi> alright. :)
[09:58] <k1l_> farooq: so you are using the networkmanager and dont use the /etc/network/interfaces
[09:59] <crazyhorse18> k1l: you mean me?
[09:59] <k1l_> crazyhorse18: no
[09:59] <farooq> you know well
[10:01] <NoOova> Could i send to a socket via /proc/PID/fd/SOCKET_FD_ID?
[10:03] <farooq> @kill_ why your text is showing red in my channel?
[10:04] <farooq> could not connect to dbus session bus
[10:04] <farooq> this message is pop up after some time
[10:05] <Johnny_Linux> farooq , give it some time
[10:05] <k1l_> crazyhorse18: hmm, dont know then what you changed else
[10:06] <k1l_> farooq: its called "hightlight". its when your line starts with the correct nick of the other person.
[10:06] <sheldonh> when defining an upstart service, and saying "start on starting x", is x the name of the file in /etc/init (sans .conf)?
[10:06] <farooq> thank you kill
[10:06] <jokoon> of course you wont help me for my windows problem, its a competitor :)
[10:06] <farooq> Johnny_Linux I given 5 to 10 minutes
[10:07] <cfhowlett> jokoon, yeah, THAT'S why ..
[10:07] <Johnny_Linux> farooq , some times it takes time for research, you should know that, be polite.
[10:08] <jokoon> linux and windows are like apples and oranges though
[10:08] <jokoon> you cant compare them
[10:08] <mcphail> jokoon: please stop the offtopic chat here
[10:08] <farooq> Johnny_Linux sorry i was understand that you say to give time to system to connect to the internet
[10:08] <Johnny_Linux> jokoon , did you read the entry guidelines when entering ?
[10:08] <cfhowlett> jokoon windows is off-topic here. install ubuntu and we can help. otherwise best of luck
[10:09] <k1l_> farooq: the question is what did you change on your system. originally ubuntu works fine with reconnecting on the ethernet cable
[10:09] <jokoon> ok Ill stop trolling this corporate channel
[10:22] <asadmoosvi> hi i'm back and have installed ubuntu 14.04.02
[10:22] <asadmoosvi> the touchscreen is working but the touchpad is not
[10:23] <EriC^^> ok, try closing the lid then open it and type dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 in the terminal
[10:23] <asadmoosvi> okay
[10:24] <ircnode0> somebody know how to install deal.ii package in Ubuntu 14.04? According to this ( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deal.ii ) page there is deal.ii package
[10:25] <asadmoosvi_> the cursor has shown up but it is not moving with the touchpad
[10:25] <asadmoosvi_> what do i type in the teminal?
[10:26] <EriC^^> type dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:26] <ircnode0> tried "sudo apt-cache search deal.ii" ==> nothing also apt-cache search libdeal ==> nohting
[10:26] <k1l_> ircnode0: which ubuntu are you on?
[10:26] <EriC^^> also cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:26] <ircnode0> k1l_: Ubuntu 14.04
[10:26] <k1l_> ircnode0: there is no package from 12.10 to 15.04
[10:27] <asadmoosvi_> http://termbin.com/8z00 <---- this is the output
[10:27] <k1l_> ircnode0: seems like the project or the maintainer was dead in that timeframe. last package is 12.04 and now since 15.04
[10:28] <asadmoosvi_> http://termbin.com/faj5
[10:29] <asadmoosvi_> I can see the cursor on the screen but I just cant move it using the touchpad
[10:29] <asadmoosvi_> its just in the center of the screen
[10:29] <EriC^> ok did you close the lid and open it like before?
[10:29] <asadmoosvi_> yes
[10:29] <EriC^> ok, did you type the dmesg command?
[10:30] <asadmoosvi_> yeah i got those two links ive sent
[10:30] <EriC^> asadmoosvi_: which laptop do you have?
[10:30] <EriC^> asadmoosvi_: sorry i got dc
[10:30] <EriC^> can you paste them again?
[10:30] <ircnode0> k1l_: Can I just download package from 15.04 and "dpkg -i" ?
[10:30] <asadmoosvi_> sure
[10:30] <asadmoosvi_> http://termbin.com/8z00
[10:30] <cfhowlett> ircnode0, not built for 14.04 so don't expect it to work
[10:30] <asadmoosvi_> http://termbin.com/faj5
[10:31] <k1l_> ircnode0: might not install, or break other things in worst case
[10:33] <ircnode0> Understood. I will try to compile it from the source.
[10:34] <asadmoosvi_> Eric?
[10:34] <asadmoosvi_> Did you get the links?
[10:34] <EriC^> asadmoosvi_: yes, xorg picks up the touchpad
[10:34] <EriC^> which laptop are you using?
[10:34] <Guest43512> how can I set up anonymous email A/c
[10:34] <asadmoosvi_> I'm using a Dell Inspiron 7348
[10:35] <Guest43512> .
[10:36] <asadmoosvi_> http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-13-7348-laptop/pd <--------------- This is the laptop I'm using
[10:36] <EriC^> asadmoosvi_: ok, try sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[10:37] <asadmoosvi_> Okay, then?
[10:38] <EriC^> asadmoosvi_: add blacklist i2c_hid
[10:38] <EriC^> blacklist i2c_hid
[10:39] <asadmoosvi_> Does it matter where in the file I add it? Do I just add it at the end?
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:39] <EriC^> asadmoosvi_: add it at the end
[10:40] <asadmoosvi_> okay done
[10:40] <asadmoosvi_> now?
[10:40] <EriC^> asadmoosvi_: did you save it?
[10:40] <asadmoosvi_> yeah
[10:40] <EriC^> asadmoosvi_: type sudo depmod -ae
[10:41] <asadmoosvi_> depmod: WARNING: -e needs -E or -F
[10:41] <asadmoosvi_> That's what I got
[10:41] <EriC^> asadmoosvi_: ok, nevermind type sudo update-initramfs -u -k all
[10:42] <asadmoosvi_> okay now?
[10:42] <EriC^> ok, type sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[10:43] <asadmoosvi_> Then?
[10:43] <EriC^> in the line that says quiet splash, add i8042.nopnp
[10:44] <asadmoosvi_> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash i8042.nopnp"
[10:44] <asadmoosvi_> Like that?
[10:44] <EriC^> correct
[10:44] <EriC^> save, then type sudo update-grub
[10:46] <asadmoosvi_> done, now?
[10:47] <EriC^> asadmoosvi_: type sudo nano /etc/modules
[10:47] <asadmoosvi_> Okay, then?
[10:48] <EriC^> add synaptics_i2c
[10:48] <asadmoosvi_> just at the end like last time?
[10:48] <EriC^> yeah
[10:48] <Timbo> anyone on 14.10?
[10:48] <Timbo> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[10:48] <Timbo> libopenvg1-mesa-dev : Depends: libopenvg1-mesa (= 10.3.2-0ubuntu0.1) but 10.4.0~git20141112.7a82961b-0ubuntu0ricotz is to be installed
[10:49] <asadmoosvi_> alright done
[10:52] <asadmoosvi_> Eric, what do I do next?
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> Timbo: maybe time to upgrade?
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> Timbo: 14.10 will be eol pretty soon
[10:53] <doublethinker> I'm using Ubuntu. Is it possible to make a snapshot of it, back that up, wipe the drive, install Windows, and then install the OS with the snapshot/files?
[10:53] <Timbo> lotuspsychje: perhaps, but packages shouldn't be broken, eol or not
[10:53] <Timbo> manually installed the dependency and it's happy though
[10:53] <cfhowlett> doublethinker, no, but you can image and restore the exact copy of the present state
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> Timbo: did you add a ppa?
[10:54] <asadmoosvi_> ?
[10:54] <doublethinker> cfhowlett, what should I google for to learn how to do that?
[10:54] <Timbo> lotuspsychje: nah
[10:54] <cfhowlett> !backup | doublethinker
[10:54] <Timbo> at least not that would affect this
[10:54] <astroduck> Hi, I get 404 when doing sudo apt-get update: [https://dpaste.de/jEmg] my /etc/apt/sources.list [https://dpaste.de/gWv3]. I dont remember why I added i386 package anymore
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> Timbo: can you explain what you been trying to do exactly?
[10:54] <cfhowlett> doublethinker, cloning is one you should check
[10:55] <asadmoosvi_> Eric, I've added synaptics_i2c to /etc/modules
[10:55] <doublethinker> thank you
[10:55] <cfhowlett> doublethinker, happy2help!
[10:55] <Timbo> lotuspsychje: apt-get install libopenvg1-mesa-dev
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> Timbo: yes, but why?
[10:56] <Timbo> grabbing the build deps for qt5
[10:57] <asadmoosvi_> ?
[10:57] <noethics> https://i.imgur.com/H8KS85R.jpg
[10:57] <asadmoosvi_> Is the process done? The cursor still doesn't seem to work with my touchpad...
[10:58] <k1l_> noethics: this is not the right channel for this
[10:58] <asadmoosvi_> EriC^: Are you there?
[11:00] <asadmoosvi_> EriC^: Do I have to reboot my sytem now or do I still have to do something else?
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> Timbo: can this help? https://wiki.qt.io/Install_Qt_5_on_Ubuntu
[11:01] <asadmoosvi_> EriC^: Hmm?
[11:01] <Timbo> lotuspsychje: don't worry, I already resolved the problem by manually installing the dependency
[11:01] <Timbo> lotuspsychje: thanks though
[11:02] <asadmoosvi_> ...
[11:03] <asadmoosvi_> um
[11:04] <asadmoosvi_> Is EriC^ still here?
[11:04] <VastRiver> #linuxba
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> !patience | asadmoosvi_
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> asadmoosvi_: its best you re-ask your question in one line here once in a while, so other can also help you
[11:05] <asadmoosvi_> ubottu: No, EriC^ was guiding me and he had told me to do some steps but now he has left so I am not sure what I have to do next...
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> asadmoosvi_: thats why you need to re-ask your issue here once in a while, if other volunteers leave
[11:06] <Johnny_Linux> asadmoosvi_ just stand by, maybe he is looking for something
[11:08] <EriC^> asadmoosvi_: sorry, i'm back
[11:08] <EriC^> restart
[11:08] <asadmoosvi_> EriC^: No problem!
[11:09] <VastRiver> jion #linuxba
[11:09] <asadmoosvi_> EriC^: So it should be fixed after restarting? I'll restart and come back
[11:09] <EriC^> asadmoosvi_: ok
[11:14] <EriC^> asadmoosvi: did it work?
[11:14] <asadmoosvi> EriC^: It works now!
[11:14] <EriC^> cool
[11:14] <asadmoosvi> EriC^: Thank you so much!
[11:14] <EriC^> :D
[11:15] <EriC^> no problem!
[11:15] <asadmoosvi> EriC^: What was the problem?
[11:15] <EriC^> i don't know i just followed a guide from a bug report
[11:15] <asadmoosvi> EriC^: Alright, thanks again :)
[11:15] <EriC^> no problem :)
[11:16] <asadmoosvi> See you!
[11:16] <EriC^> see you
[11:16] <IrfanAlam> how to delete a fine from every where ?
[11:16] <IrfanAlam> *file
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> IrfanAlam: what kind of file you want to delete?
[11:18] <IrfanAlam> I want to delete .htaccess file from all the directory
[11:21] <IrfanAlam> lotuspsychje: are you there >
[11:24] <DarkSim> Hello! I'm having problems with a HP printer on Ubuntu 14.04, I got this strange preset that it adds a lot of bottom margin and I noticed I can't edit any kind of settings for the printer, it just reverts as soon as I hit OK
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> IrfanAlam: can this help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/3865/how-to-find-and-delete-duplicate-files
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> DarkSim: have you installed hplip?
[11:27] <DarkSim> lotuspsychje: Yes I installed the latest HPlip and it found the printer and everything, if I go into settings I think under job settings the advanced option "media-col: media-bottom-margin" might be what's causing it but I can't remove or edit that or any setting
[11:28] <DarkSim> lotuspsychje: and I can't seem to find any option in HP's own software which affects margin
[11:28] <lotuspsychje> DarkSim: did you try reboot to reset cups perhaps?
[11:28] <tiger0616> hello
[11:29] <DarkSim> lotuspsychje: rebooting...
[11:29] <kostkon> tiger0616: hi
[11:30] <TJ-> DarkSim: you need sudo privileges to edit printer settings I seem to recall
[11:33] <DarkSim_> lotuspsychje: Rebooted and it didn't work
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> DarkSim_: wich ubuntu version is this?
[11:33] <DarkSim_> lotuspsychje: 14.04
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> !info hplip trusty
[11:35] <DarkSim_> lotuspsychje: what does that mean?
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> DarkSim_: just wanna look at the version, not sure what causes this issue for you
[11:43] <soee> guys someone had this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11730061/ ?
[11:49] <TJ-> DarkSim: which printer model is it with the issue. It's not unknown for the PPD files to be incorrect and need fixing
[11:51] <Jakey2> Is there a sql server management studio for ubuntu
[11:51] <Jakey2> Is there a sql server management studio for ubuntu
[11:51] <Jakey2> ?
[11:53] <NicholasC> Jakey2, why would there be?
[11:53] <NicholasC> MSSQL is a Windows only product that only runs on Windows - why would there be a Linux-based management suite for it?
[11:53] <Jakey2> i swithing workflows to ubuntu
[11:54] <NicholasC> Nope, it doesn't exist. It won't work with Wine either.
[11:54] <Jakey2> *I'm
[11:54] <Jakey2> ok
[11:54] <NicholasC> Either RDP into a windows machine somewhere or set up a VM with Windows.
[11:55] <Jakey2> ok thanks for the info
[11:55] <ablest1980> hello need some help
[11:55] <crocket> How do I get a guest session on ubuntu gnome?
[11:56] <ablest1980> i install a cpu freq scaler thing how do i remove it?
[11:56] <crocket> The only way I know is to install lightdm on ubuntu gnome, which is not ideal.
[11:56] <DarkSim_> lotuspsychje: I balled on an option called "Pretty Print" or something and that seems to have solved it
[11:56] <TvFred> HI, I run chromium-browser from LXDE autostart file in kiosk mode, when sometimes an hard reset occours a "chromium didn't shut correctly..." message appears at next boot: how can override (ignore and not show) this message ??? some switch to add to starting line ? Thanks
[11:57] <DarkSim_> lotuspsychje: is it OK if I ask another thing tho?
[11:57] <Jakey2> NicholasC, what about http://squirrel-sql.sourceforge.net/?
[11:57] <NicholasC> crocket, https://github.com/ksinit/gnome-help-mobile/blob/master/user-addguest.html the actual docs have.. poofed. so save this as a text file and open it with a browser.
[11:58] <NicholasC> Jakey2, I personally dislike using non-official management suites for my software, so I don't know. Sorry.
[11:58] <Jakey2> fair point
[11:59] <NicholasC> TvFred, come on, mate, you could've googled this. https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/chromium-discuss/D2bsW1wdfac
[12:00] <hateball> TvFred: havent tried this myself, but have a look at http://superuser.com/questions/873381/how-can-i-disable-the-chromium-didn-t-shut-down-correctly-message-when-my-brow
[12:03] <luvenfu> can i hide and show the clock using terminal?
[12:03] <TvFred> NicholasC - hateball : thank you both !!!
[12:12] <ahop> Hi!
[12:13] <ahop> Can I send a file via FTP via Cmdline?
[12:13] <ahop> sorry: SFTP
[12:13] <hateball> !scp | ahop
[12:13] <Ben64> ahop: scp or rsync can do it, there are probably others
[12:13] <crocket> NicholasC, What is that?
[12:14] <NicholasC> crocket, and explanation on how to set up guest accounts in Gnome 3.
[12:14] <NicholasC> Which is what you asked.
[12:14] <crocket> NicholasC, Do you mean a set of instructions for gdm?
[12:14] <NicholasC> No, it's an HTML page. A webpage.
[12:14] <ahop> thanks about scp, i'll try this!
[12:15] <NicholasC> As I mentioned, the official docs seem to be down/missing, so this translates into a webpage
[12:16] <NicholasC> crocket, http://i.imgur.com/dza88ok.png
[12:17] <crocket> NicholasC, That's just a set of instructions for creating a passwordless account.
[12:17] <crocket> A guest session is a temporary session that wipes out every data on logout.
[12:17] <crocket> A passwordless account doesn't do that.
[12:17] <NicholasC> This is true.
[12:18] <NicholasC> http://askubuntu.com/questions/631/starting-a-guest-session-from-the-login-screen which I assumed you meant, as googling guest sessions gets your plenty of instructions.
[12:19] <luvenfu> what's the name of clock of ubuntu, can i configure that by terminal?
[12:19] <crocket> NicholasC, All of them are nasty hacks that don't actually work.
[12:20] <lotuspsychje_> luvenfu: maybe there's a value you can change in dconf-editor?
[12:20] <kokut> anyone knows how to set up a cron every minute? this is for every 5 minutes right? */5 * * * * so */1 * * * * would be for every minute?
[12:21] <Pumpkin-_> or just * * * * *
[12:21] <lotuspsychje_> !cron | kokut
[12:21] <luvenfu> lotuspsychje_: did you mean gsettings, because dconf is only the interface
[12:21] <lotuspsychje_> luvenfu: yeah, but not sure if clock can be enabled/disabled from there
[12:21] <luvenfu> lotuspsychje_: where are the configurations?
[12:22] <luvenfu> there is some file?
[12:22] <lotuspsychje_> luvenfu: you can use dconf write...from terminal also
[12:23] <kokut> anyone knows how to prevent cron from running again before finishing the last task?
[12:23] <luvenfu> lotuspsychje_: but it will save in the original file of config?
[12:23] <lotuspsychje_> luvenfu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/72070/how-do-i-change-dconf-keys-without-a-gui-for-a-post-install-script
[12:24] <luvenfu> lotuspsychje_: thanks
[12:25] <ahop> Ben64: I tried with scp
[12:25] <ahop> but I cannot pass the password via scp filename root@ip:/filename
[12:25] <ahop> google gives me "sshpass"
[12:26] <ahop> but this is not available on my RPi with apt-get install sshpass
[12:26] <hateball> ahop: you should be prompted for the password
[12:27] <ahop> hateball: I need to do this in a script
[12:27] <ahop> so no prompt wanted
[12:27] <hateball> ahop: you can use ssh keys
[12:27] <mcphail> kokut: lots of ways. Often you get the process to check if a file exists. If not, create it and remove whenever process finishes. If file already exists, abort. Why do you need to run a job every minute?
[12:28] <ahop> hateball: is it short to do this?
[12:28] <kokut> mcphail: i'm testing stuff
[12:28] <lotuspsychje_> luvenfu: check this in dconf com.canonical.indicator.datetime
[12:28] <kokut> for some reason my cron is not working
[12:28] <luvenfu> lotuspsychje_: right
[12:28] <hateball> ahop: yes, look at http://www.lindonslog.com/linux-unix/ssh-keygen-keys/ for instance
[12:28] <kokut> i have many cron tasks at the same time, is that a probable cause?
[12:29] <luvenfu> yes, i did found it and the task i want, many thanks
[12:29] <lotuspsychje_> !yay | luvenfu
[12:30] <mcphail> kokut: might be, if you have created some form of race condition
[12:30] <mcphail> kokut: other causes more likely, though
[12:34] <ahop> hateball: I think it's the easier tutorial I've seen about this! thanks one million times!
[12:34] <ahop> now I understood how it works!
[12:35] <hateball> ahop: :)
[12:35] <ahop> I always found it complex before, now i see it's not
[12:35] <hateball> Poor documentation can make anything seem complex
[12:37] <Mion> ahop: allowing ssh as root is bad practice btw
[12:38] <Mion> ahop: also you should not use rsa2048, which sadly, is usually the default
[12:39] <ahop> It's only a toy server, so I don't think too much (now) about extra security
[12:48] <t0by> ahop, just saying that your toy server could be used for malicious purpouses if somebody gained access.
[12:48] <t0by> which may or may not land you into hot water.
[12:51] <dexstarrrr> Hi there, I have somehow managed to introduce screen tearing into my Ubuntu 15.04 install. I'm using a Haswell with integrated graphics
[12:52] <dexstarrrr> Nothing I can change in Compiz makes a difference
[12:52] <underyx> hey there
[12:53] <underyx> the trusty64 Vagrant box (https://atlas.hashicorp.com/ubuntu/boxes/trusty64) has been getting a bunch of updates recently, but none of them have any changes listed
[12:54] <underyx> how do I contact someone at canonical who's responsible for this?
[12:54] <underyx> I can't seem to find any way get in touch with them
[13:04] <Pici> underyx: I'd expect them to match the changelogs posted for the other cloud image builds, like at https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/trusty/current/unpacked/release_notes.txt
[13:04] <underyx> Pici, cool, didn't know this existed, thank you!
[13:05] <Pici> underyx: the source for the vagrant boxes are on that server too: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/vagrant/trusty/
[13:12] <geothom230> does anybody know how to find usb wifi adapter that supported from ubuntu?
[13:16] <Jedi1> join /cisco
[13:17] <Fuchs> /join #channel
[13:17] <hateball> geothom230: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/category/WIRELESS/
[13:17] <geothom230> hateball:thanx man
[13:17] <hateball> geothom230: other things may of course work, google your chipset model + ubuntu
[13:28] <cheetahw26> the wifi on my box appears to be stuck in some strange loop... it keeps connecting/disconnecting to the wireless router... on my router I keep seeing: "associated", "deauthenticated due to local deauth request" I thought it might be the router so I tested on a few others, but I experience the same issue
[13:29] <hateball> cheetahw26: what chipset is this?
[13:30] <hateball> and driver
[13:30] <cheetahw26> the error on the box is: rockchip 3188 I believe... not sure what driver, how can I find out?
[13:31] <cheetahw26> the error on the box is: Link down reason: WLC_E_LINK
[13:31] <cheetahw26> before that ctrl-even-disconnected
[13:31] <cheetahw26> event*
[13:31] <hateball> cheetahw26: "lspci -k" should give relevant info
[13:32] <cheetahw26> no pci... it's a rockchip
[13:33] <zacktu> I am trying to execute a program that fails for not finding the shared library libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0. Is that in one of the packages in synaptic?
[13:34] <TJ-> zacktu: "sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0"
[13:43] <Rush2112> hey guys, im trying to extract some files. i'm using the command "su -c 'tar zxvf filename.tar.gz -C ~/Documents
[13:43] <Heather|TRIGGERE> http://8ch.net/v/src/1434541411492.png
[13:43] <Rush2112> it then lets me input something, starting with >, but it keeps letting me do that forever
[13:43] <Rush2112> am I doing something wrong?
[13:44] <hateball> Rush2112: well that line is missing a " at the end. and I dont understand why you're using su at all
[13:44] <hateball> the string for tar itself is missing an ' also
[13:45] <zacktu> libgtk2.0-0 is already installed. Could it be another package?
[13:45] <Rush2112> well, its because when i try to just extract the tar.gz normally (i.e. without any terminal stuff) it gives me an error and tells me something was truncated
[13:46] <Rush2112> what can I use instead of SU?
[13:48] <HoloPed> Hey guys, how do I commandline mount a windows usb drive? The problem is that it has a 1k partition (the first one) and want the mount to be smart enough to use the biggest partition
[13:49] <hateball> !mount
[13:49] <hateball> HoloPed: You'll explicitly specify partition to mount regardless of its size
[13:49] <HoloPed> hateball, this is an automated system
[13:50] <HoloPed> I'm looking for a way to do it without specifiing the partition
[13:50] <fantasma> e ae
[13:51] <Starface> l
[13:51] <Rush2112> hateball: Is there another way I can extract a file like that?
[13:51] <Starface> Try you Luck Here http://tinyurl.com/p2vb8po
[13:52] <hateball> HoloPed: suppose you could use something like "fdisk -l" with awk or something to query the largest partition, perhaps there are smarter ways
[13:52] <hateball> HoloPed: I mean "parted -l"
[13:53] <hateball> Rush2112: "tar xvzf file.tar.gz -C ~/Whatever" should be sufficient so long as your permissions are correct
[13:54] <Rush2112> how can i checck my permissions?
[13:54] <Rush2112> also when i try that, i get gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file
[13:54] <Rush2112> tar: unexpected EOF in archive
[13:54] <Rush2112> tar: error is not recoverable: exiting now
[13:54] <hateball> Perhaps the file is corrupted
[13:55] <Rush2112> i guess i can just download it again and try again
[13:55] <Rush2112> though it did happen with two downloads
[13:55] <Rush2112> https://eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/technology/epp/downloads/release/luna/SR2/eclipse-java-luna-SR2-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz
[13:55] <Rush2112> thats what i'm trying to install, if it helps
[13:56] <hateball> Rush2112: any reason you're not installing Eclipse from the repos?
[13:57] <Janels1> why don't you use vim
[13:57] <Pici> vim isn't exactly an IDE.
[13:57] <NetworkingPro> http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/06/pornhub-launches-indiegogo-campaign-for-first-adult-film-in-space
[13:58] <Pici> hateball: iirc, the version in the repositories is terribly out of date
[13:58] <Pici> NetworkingPro: please don't share random links in this channel.
[13:58] <NetworkingPro> haha sorry man
[13:58] <NetworkingPro> i actually didnt look at what chan i was in
[13:58] <NetworkingPro> didnt mean to
[13:58] <Janels1> vim + javacomplete
[13:58] <NetworkingPro> #awkward
[13:58] <hateball> Pici: I see
[13:59] <Rush2112> hateball: does the checksum on that site matter? i can pick MD5, SHA-1, or SHA-512
[14:00] <hateball> Rush2112: no, but you may as well go with md5 and verify it
[14:09] <Rush2112> hateball: I'm not getting Eclipse from the repos because I have no idea what that means. You want me to install it through terminal? I'll do that but I don't know how.
[14:14] <robbix> Rush2112: Eclipse is an IDE if I remember correctly. Type sudo apt-get install eclipse to download it and it should be available in your app list afterwards.
[14:15] <robbix> A Java dev tool.
[14:15] <hateball> Rush2112: either what robbix said, or using the software centre
[14:15] <robbix> well yeah, software centre will do it too
[14:16] <zacktu> My error message is this: "error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". I found the file "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0" I can do a symbolic link to it, but what is the specific name of the file to link?
[14:18] <mgolisch> zacktu: stuff in /usr/lib should be found by default your probably running a 32bit and missing the 32bit version of that library
[14:18] <mgolisch> +app
[14:20] <acqant_> what's the secret to add a static ip with preseed on 14.04.2
[14:21] <acqant_> nothing seems to work ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netcfg/+bug/1361902 )
[14:22] <zacktu> mgolisch: My system is 64bit. "file" says that it is an ELF 32-bit LSB executable. So is there a next step?
[14:22] <heeen> how do I get into the grub CLI
[14:22] <heeen> if I hold shift it just say "GRUB _"
[14:22] <mgolisch> zacktu: yes install the 32bit version of that library
[14:22] <heeen> *says
[14:23] <acqant_> ubottu: I'm using packer so I can put it in the boot prompt but I can't find docs on that.
[14:24] <mgolisch> zacktu: you should be able to install it by appending :i386 to the package name when installing with apt
[14:25] <zacktu> mgoolisch: is that apt-get install libgtk2.0-0:i386 ?
[14:26] <regedit> Jordan_U: hey
[14:33] <Tarelerulz> can you hook an external Blu ray player in
[14:35] <Tarelerulz> will a USB Blu ray player work with you until for playing commercial Blu ray?
[14:35] <petrvs> Tarelerulz: don't see why not
[14:36] <Termin4l> hi, can anyone help me wiht sume BithcX irc clinet settings plsease :)
[14:36] <Tarelerulz> my stand-alone unit is not working correctly for Netflix or YouTube. I thought about building a small computer to replace my Blu ray player.
[14:38] <petrvs> Termin4l: /msg alis list *bitchx*
[14:38] <EriC^^> Termin4l: bitchx stopped a long time ago
[14:38] <EriC^^> it has security issues
[14:38] <petrvs> Tarelerulz: standalone what?
[14:38] <Tarelerulz> standalone Blu ray player.
[14:40] <petrvs> Tarelerulz: so you're going to replace it with a computer and a bluray-only player
[14:40] <petrvs> Tarelerulz: that makes sense to me
[14:41] <petrvs> Tarelerulz: although the bluray player that doesn't work for netflix/youtube probably does work for bluray (video) playback just fine
[14:42] <Tarelerulz> I primarily use it for Netflix and YouTube. so the fact that crashes a lot is a problem.
[14:44] <maggots> Problems with libcrypto.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory whats the problem here
[14:44] <manacit> you probably need to install libcrypto
[14:45] <maggots> i have it installed
[14:45] <manacit> do you have the dev package installed?
[14:45] <manacit> sudo apt-get install libcrypto++-dev I believe
[14:45] <maggots> hold on
[14:48] <maggots> whats the fedora help handle on freenode
[14:49] <xrfang> hello after use encfs (or any fuse tool like sshfs) to mount a directory, the target directory is owned by ROOT, how to solve this (i.e. keep the mounted folder to myself so that I can write to it without sudo.
[14:52] <petrvs> xrfang: mount it as non-root in the first place
[14:52] <petrvs> maggots: /msg alist list *fedora*
[14:52] <maggots> thanks
[14:56] <jxshxx> Hello - If I dual boot using 2 different Linux OS, can I use the second OS to mount and access the other partition?
[14:56] <xrfang> petrvs, I did NOT mount it as root
[14:57] <petrvs> xrfang: then what you mounted is all owned by root, chown it
[14:57] <petrvs> jxshxx: sure
[14:58] <xrfang> petrvs: you are right it is owned by root, but I am having problem chown it. I will try to solve that first...
[14:59] <gtrmtx> hey guys im having a nightmare getting my network to work properly on the main server...running version 3.4 and here's what my /etc/network/interfaces and ifconfig looks like: https://pastee.org/767aq
[14:59] <gtrmtx> sorry i need to clarify its proxmox version 3.4
[15:00] <jxshxx> petrvs, Would you say it's a fairly easy process, or more advanced?
[15:00] <petrvs> jxshxx: easy
[15:01] <anonymous_> hello_
[15:02] <jxshxx> petrvs, cool. I'm on it. Thanks!
[15:02] <petrvs> jxshxx: either it'll just show up in your file manager as a mountable volume, or you can add it to /etc/fstab
[15:06] <IT_Guru> Ubuntu Unity is complete GARBAGE, JUNK, CRAP !! Totally shameful coded trash.
[15:06] <IT_Guru> Don't agree with me? Post your comments here: www.googledrive.com/host/0BzPzPOUFeX8acWRoU0RXd3VPdEU
[15:06] <IT_Guru> Give a good reason to like unity. noobs
[15:07] <petrvs> IT_Guru: what if we don't care what you think either way? =)
[15:08] <IT_Guru> petrvs, submit your comment :- )
[15:09] <cheetahw26> is there anyway to configure wifi with Network-Manager using shell?
[15:10] <tr3y> I'm a bit of a linux noob running ubuntu 14.04, was wondering if someone could tell me how to install libimobiledevice-1.2.0? I downloaded and extracted the package to a folder and I don't know which commands to run in the terminal to install it
[15:12] <boreeto> tr3y: you should just normally use apt-get to install things
[15:13] <boreeto> so use apt-cache search <name> to search for a package
[15:13] <petrvs> cheetahw26: nmtui
[15:13] <boreeto> and then apt-get install <name> to install the package
[15:13] <petrvs> tr3y: very much what boreeto said
[15:14] <boreeto> tr3y: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/apt-get.html
[15:15] <tr3y> Great, thanks everyone.
[15:15] <fxw> hi
[15:15] <fxw> bonjour....
[15:16] <petrvs> fxw: adios
[15:17] <stacks88> on most of my ubuntu systems, if i type a command that belongs to a package that is NOT installed, it tells me what it is.. (The program 'rz' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:), can someone tell me what package i need to install on this new ubuntu 14.04 to get this?
[15:17] <stacks88> when i type a command it doesnt tell me that message
[15:18] <petrvs> stacks88: command-not-found
[15:18] <stacks88> ah yes thanks
[15:18] <petrvs> via: https://www.google.com/search?btnI=&q=ubuntu+program+not+currently+installed
[15:19] <cheetahw26> I have nm-tool, but not nmtui...
[15:19] <stacks88> i did google but i guess i didnt search the right words
[15:19] <cheetahw26> oh, it's something I can install...
[15:20] <petrvs> cheetahw26: might need to run it as root/sudo
[15:20] <petrvs> stacks88: what'd you search?
[15:24] <cheetahw26> can't find it anywhere... tried searching NetworkManager-tui and just ntui
[15:24] <cheetahw26> err... nmtui
[15:25] <herrkin> hello ubuntu community, I have been googling for about a week about a problem I have with 2 huawei modems that I own. no help so far.
[15:25] <petrvs> cheetahw26: ask apt-file
[15:26] <herrkin> the thing is that I had a claro huawei modem, it worked just fine, ubuntu switched it to modem and I could see 3 ttyUSB ports in dmesg and they were available in /dev/
[15:26] <Rush2112> anyone here have experience with wine and steam? i'm looking to use this https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14322 but I don't know how I'd install the game, should I launch Steam IN Wine and install the game while in the WIne emulator?
[15:26] <herrkin> but now after I plugged a second huawei modem, this time from digitel venezuela I cant access the ports
[15:27] <herrkin> they show up in dmesg as ttyUSB* but when I go to /dev/ they are not there
[15:27] <herrkin> there is a file which I cannot access called huawei_mobile
[15:27] <herrkin> its not a port.
[15:28] <herrkin> I dont know what todo, I need to finish an app for a company and now I cant access any of those phones
[15:28] <herrkin> I mean modems
[15:28] <herrkin> both modems show 3 ttyUSB in dmesg but they dont appear in /dev/
[15:30] <cheetahw26> nope.. nothing... I'm running on armhf with 12.04 maybe it's not available there... looks like exactly what I need though, wonder if I can compile and install from source?
[15:31] <conorMcGregor9> whats the difference between installing something with 'sudo' or using sudo -i, then installing?
[15:31] <cheetahw26> NetworkManager 0.9.4.0
[15:32] <k1l> conorMcGregor9: there is none. but the risk of doing wrong commands is bigger on the root-shell since there is no"you are not allowed to do that".
[15:34] <HoloPed> which command line will return the main dev that the OS is mounted on? Like sba or sdb
[15:34] <conorMcGregor9> k1l, i used sudo -i, then installed newer version of ruby, when i sudo -i, the application works, when i use 'sudo app' it says cannot find command
[15:34] <boreeto> HoloPed: mount will tell you whats mounted where
[15:35] <conorMcGregor9> sudo uses the /root/.basrc file?
[15:35] <k1l> conorMcGregor9: well. when talking about installing i thought you were using the package management with apt-get
[15:35] <boreeto> also sudo fdisk -l is useful to see what discs / partitions you have
[15:35] <k1l> conorMcGregor9: there is a difference in the env variables, of course.
[15:35] <k1l> !sudo
[15:36] <HoloPed> boreeto, how do you use mount to show what is mounted to / ?
[15:36] <conorMcGregor9> k1l, well i actually installed it under normal user, i then used sudo -i to set it as the default version
[15:37] <csb> HoloPed, mount | grep " on / "
[15:37] <conorMcGregor9> now sudo command doesnt work, only sudo -i, the command works
[15:37] <HoloPed> csb, thanks
[15:39] <conorMcGregor9> k1l, you know why this is happening?
[15:39] <k1l> conorMcGregor9: see if its in users PATH
[15:39] <conorMcGregor9> yeah it is
[15:40] <k1l> and see the bots message for explaining at the end
[15:40] <conorMcGregor9> the application is
[15:40] <k1l> !sudo | conorMcGregor9
[15:40] <k1l> i need to leave now for training
[15:44] <csb> HoloPed, If you want only the device name you can use: mount | grep " on / " | sed 's/[ \t].*//;/^$/d'
[15:45] <HoloPed> oh nice
[15:45] <HoloPed> can you tweak that to return only sdb
[15:45] <HoloPed> that is just voodoo to me
[15:46] <boreeto> HoloPed: it gets a bit more tricky if your distro installs with KVM as default
[15:47] <boreeto> but generally mount should give you all you need
[15:47] <asadmoosvi> Hi, I a using a Dell 13" 7348 notebook. Should I have secure boot enabled?
[15:47] <petrvs> asadmoosvi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#SecureBoot
[15:48] <boreeto> asadmoosvi: I _think_ that with the new Ubuntu boot CD/DVD they will detect if your machine uses UEFI now
[15:49] <boreeto> what petrvs says :)
[15:49] <phinze> utlemming: ping and hello! wanted to chat with you about the cloud-images automation pipeline, specifically the vagrant portion. feel free to msg me directly or direct me to another room and/or person.
[15:49] <asadmoosvi> boreeto: Secure boot is currently disabled on my system and I'm not facing any issues. I am just wondering whether enabling it makes any difference?
[15:51] <petrvs> if it ain't broke, don't fix it
[15:51] <zuno> hey
[15:52] <petrvs> hey
[15:52] <zuno> whats up
[15:52] <zuno> ?
[15:59] <Rush2112> If I install a program using Wine, where do I go to launch it via Wine?
[16:00] <heeen> how the heck was it possible for grub to update in such a way that my system would not boot anymore
[16:01] <TJ-> heeen: That depends on what happened previously and what the specific symptoms are
[16:03] <heeen> TJ-: I have a GPT formatted disk without a bios boot partition
[16:03] <heeen> it seems before GRUB was able to fit into just the MBR?
[16:03] <heeen> I rebooted after some updates and now it refused to boot
[16:04] <TJ-> heeen: Was the system booting in UEFI mode?
[16:04] <heeen> I used a 15.10 live disk to chroot and reinstall grub, which told me it would have to use blocklists or something
[16:04] <heeen> no
[16:04] <heeen> so I had to add a partition for just grub
[16:04] <heeen> I just wonder how it could even end up in this state
[16:05] <heeen> I prefer an outdated grub over a non-booting system
[16:05] <heeen> the system in question runs 14.10
[16:09] <fayez> hello
[16:10] <Beetlejuice> hello fayez
[16:10] <ernalve> Hi. I have this problem: I tried replacing unity desktop with Mate but after removing unity and while installing mate, my ubuntu session logged out. Now, Ubuntu won't login: it asks for my password but says it's not correct. ¿What can I do?
[16:10] <jhutchins> heeen: Do you have an encrypted disk?
[16:10] <Beetlejuice> do you have use aptitude for remove?
[16:11] <Pici> Beetlejuice: for removing packages? You can use aptitude, or apt-get, or whatever gui package managers you prefer.
[16:11] <jhutchins> ernalve: It's possible that you manged to set or create files owned by root in your home directory.
[16:11] <Beetlejuice> ernalve: log on tty1 with your user pass ( control + alt + f3 ) and log and: passwd
[16:11] <jhutchins> ernalve: Can you log in on the console?
[16:11] <Beetlejuice> Pici i know yeah yeah
[16:12] <Beetlejuice> i removed kde, and unity, for xfce, so i meant i used aptitude
[16:12] <ernalve> I removed Unity on the terminal, pasting code I found on the web. I think it was trough apt-get
[16:12] <Beetlejuice> ernalve: its odd you cant log or you log but get "kicked"?
[16:13] <ernalve> I can't log
[16:13] <Beetlejuice> if you cant log due the password reboot in safe mode and change the user pass
[16:13] <Beetlejuice> i have a problem with lightdm, it shows the mouse when i boot but no X. i need to killall lightdm and log with X
[16:14] <xangua> ernalve: what code? what web? the MATE wiki has specific instructions, you don't need to follow a random site instructions
[16:14] <Beetlejuice> well thats not critical
[16:14] <ernalve> I tried safe mode -or a similar option that I found on the grub- but it still asks for password
[16:14] <Beetlejuice> at some point the screen was white so i backup xorg.conf .. long history
[16:15] <Beetlejuice> ernalve: if you dont have the root password i meant ... i have no possible solution idea so reinstall
[16:15] <Beetlejuice> try to lon on tty
[16:15] <Beetlejuice> log*
[16:16] <Beetlejuice> its a good idea every time you install make a : sudo passwd
[16:17] <ernalve> ok, I know the root password but it just won't work for login on the gui desktop. What is tty?
[16:17] <Beetlejuice> press Alt+Control+F1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
[16:17] <Beetlejuice> thats tty1,2,3,,6,7,8,9 ^
[16:18] <jhutchins> Usually there are only 6 VTs.
[16:18] <Beetlejuice> oki doki
[16:18] <Beetlejuice> yes jhutchins
[16:18] <Beetlejuice> for example my f8 anf f9 doesnt work
[16:18] <jhutchins> X usually takes No. 7.
[16:18] <Beetlejuice> or 1
[16:18] <Beetlejuice> or 9...
[16:19] <Beetlejuice> but yes on linux usually 7
[16:19] <Beetlejuice> freebsd takes 8 or 9 i dont remember
[16:19] <Beetlejuice> well thats random i suppose it varies depending your vga
[16:20] <ernalve> do I need to press all this keys at the same time? on a terminal? what should I do after this?
[16:20] <Beetlejuice> at the same time alt + control + 1 (to) 7
[16:20] <ernalve> by the way: this is the web that I followed http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/install-mate-desktop-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[16:20] <Beetlejuice> its something like "internal terminal" of linux
[16:21] <Beetlejuice> you are using 14.04?
[16:21] <ernalve> yes
[16:21] <Beetlejuice> ah... well change the user password login on tty1 as root
[16:21] <Beetlejuice> then passwd user
[16:22] <Beetlejuice> but make sure lightdm or whatever login manager you are using, its rejecting you due the password
[16:22] <Beetlejuice> if is not rejecting your user for the password all we are doing is useless
[16:24] <Beetlejuice> you should consider creating another user
[16:24] <Beetlejuice> see man adduser ; or man useradd
[16:28] <gambl0re> are you supposed to install npm and nodejs as regular user or as root?
[16:29] <gambl0re> i dont understand..
[16:30] <ernalve> ok, I will go back to linux -I'm using windows from my dual boot right now- and I'll tell you how it goes. thanks
[16:33] <petrvs> gambl0re: I wouldn't install either
[16:33] <Beetlejuice> ok good luck
[16:34] <vbgunz> I have a weird problem. I have to boot up twice *TWICE* in order to boot up once successfully. The first time, it's a black screen that never changes. I ctrl+alt+del and reboot, go through the grub menu, hit enter and it boots up successfully. This happens every time, what the hell is happening?
[16:34] <xangua> there is no "code to remove unity" there ern
[16:34] <vbgunz> also, my grub refuses to detect Windows 7 or another ubuntu installation
[16:35] <sgo11> hi, I got an android phone. I have two computers. One is a laptop which is running 14.04 64bit OS. Another one is a PC which is running 14.04 i386 OS. My PC can detect my android phone and mount the mtp storage automatically. but my laptop does nothing. why? thanks.
[16:40] <gambl0re> npm WARN uninstall not installed in /usr/lib/node_modules: "ember-cli"
[16:41] <gambl0re> what does this mean? how do i uninstall ember-cli using npm
[16:44] <heeen> jhutchins: no
[16:45] <chotaz`w> Is it possible to get automatic DHCP settings for my network connection and overwrite just the DNS Servers?
[16:49] <sgo11> chotaz`w, a hardcoded way. try to change the file "/etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head"
[16:52] <ernalve> Hi. I'm back (I removed Unity and now can't login on ubuntu). I just tried changing my password but on the terminal it says that such user does not exist. I also tried creating a new user but this error arised: could not block etc/group. It also showed a message reporting error 10 in regard to usr/sbin/groupadd -g 1001
[16:52] <Jen88> can someone give me the commandline install openvpn thank or links to web page
[16:52] <ernalve> what can I do next?
[16:52] <xangua> there is no "code to remove unity" in the instructions you followed ernalve
[16:53] <chotaz`w> sgo11, that'll work, thanks a bunch!
[16:53] <Jen88> i want install on 15.04
[16:53] <sgo11> chotaz`w, you're welcome. :)
[16:54] <ernalve> you're right xangua. I removed it following with this code: sudo apt-get remove unity unity-asset-pool unity-control-center unity-control-center-signon unity-gtk-module-common unity-lens* unity-services unity-settings-daemon unity-webapps* unity-voice-service
[16:54] <ernalve> I got this from here: http://blog.desdelinux.net/eliminar-unity-e-instalar-mate-cinnamon-ubuntu-14-10/
[16:55] <ses1984> i have an ubuntu desktop with a VPN connection configured through network manager. i need to activate this VPN connection...there's one problem though I only have SSH access to the box now
[16:57] <xangua> ernalve: for future references the official MATE wiki has instructions to both install MATE and replace Unity by MATE http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
[16:58] <xangua> or you can just do a fresh install of Ubuntu MATE
[16:59] <ernalve> thanks, I did a really stupid thing just pasting code from different sites: Now I want to recover access to my linux OS and files. What should i do?
[17:04] <arpit> hi
[17:05] <petrvs> hi arp
[17:05] <petrvs> ernalve: what's the problem?
[17:06] <ernalve> This is my current issue: I removed unity and tried installing Mate. After that my session logged out and now when I try to log in it says the login attempt has failed
[17:08] <ernalve> I removed Unity from a terminal using this code: sudo apt-get remove unity unity-asset-pool unity-control-center unity-control-center-signon unity-gtk-module-common unity-lens* unity-services unity-settings-daemon unity-webapps* unity-voice-service
[17:12] <ernalve> petrvs: I'm reading this article: http://askubuntu.com/questions/283985/unable-to-load-session-ubuntu-in-12-04
[17:12] <ernalve> it looks like a similar problem. The difference is that I'm on 14.04
[17:13] <ernalve> and when I tried using apt-get from terminal -after the problem- I got an error report in relation to var/lib/dpkg/lock
[17:14] <colbyf> ernalve, if no package manger is running, then delete the lock file
[17:14] <colbyf> that includes ubuntu store or synaptics manager
[17:14] <myndzi> fwiw i was in here the other day asking about a cron problem and managed to run down the rest of it today; had to install an mta in local mode to get cron output, modify the path environment (within the crontab) so node could be found, and you certainly can have commands of the form "cd /workingdir && ./script" in a crontab file
[17:14] <TJ-> ernalve: did you use "sudo apt-get ..." ?
[17:15] <colbyf> its sayign locked so the command is executing
[17:15] <colbyf> sry you could be very right
[17:15] <colbyf> TJ
[17:16] <ernalve> Yes, I used sudo
[17:17] <TJ-> ernalve: That can be a transient issue if the update checker is running, which will sometimes happend very shortly after booting. Does that same error get reported every time you try the command?
[17:18] <IntranetSupportR> Hi guys...when u have the time...I kinda need some help with an Ubuntu 14.04.01...
[17:19] <jhutchins> ernalve: Rather obviously you need sudo to run aptitude.
[17:19] <petrvs> IntranetSupportR: when you have time, go ahead and specify the problem
[17:19] <jhutchins> IntranetSupportR: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
[17:20] <ernalve> Yes, I actually can't login to ubuntu. I boot to the login screen and when I write my password it says login attempt failed. I've tried going to a terminal as root, and I got this messages.
[17:20] <IntranetSupportR> I have a server installed with ESXi and an Ubuntu VM on top of it, the server has a RAID 5 ... with 3 disks...one disk crashed last night...afterwards the VM won't init...instead it's halting
[17:20] <vbgunz> I have this issue where my Kubuntu installation can no longer find any other OS throughout the system. grub refuses to see Windows 7 or Kubuntu 15.04. How can I fix this?
[17:20] <IntranetSupportR> it throws: init failsafe main process killed by term signal
[17:21] <darthanubis> vbgunz, try #kubuntu
[17:21] <conorMcGregor9> vbgunz, have u tried an update-grub?
[17:21] <vbgunz> too few people in there, grub should be the same on both, I'm hoping for better luck here
[17:21] <vbgunz> yes, update-grub only finds my main installation
[17:22] <fulanito> hello
[17:22] <conorMcGregor9> you could add it manually
[17:22] <IntranetSupportR> I've booted the VM with a live CD, mounted the lvm volumes and I've looked in dmesg syslog kernlog and boot.log.... I don't understand much of what I see...
[17:22] <fulanito> I am using an ubuntu distro remotely
[17:22] <JohnDoe1972> guys what the FUCK !!!! Im on a xp laptop and it says i have to update adobe flash player and java but when i try to update jave it says XP is too old 0_0
[17:22] <fulanito> unfortunately I activated the ufw without ssh rule
[17:22] <JohnDoe1972> this is just to watch you tube videos
[17:22] <gambl0re> shit i changed the permissions of usr/lib and now i cant use any sudo commands....how do i fix this
[17:23] <fulanito> I have unmounted the volume and attached it to another instance
[17:23] <fulanito> the question is
[17:23] <JohnDoe1972> dam i used to be able to watch video on win 98 ffs
[17:23] <xangua> JohnDoe1972: no curses here and this is #ubuntu not ##windows
[17:23] <JohnDoe1972> ohh :)
[17:23] <JohnDoe1972> my appologies
[17:23] <IntranetSupportR> JohnDoe1972: XP is deprecated....upgrade to some sort of linux distro :)
[17:23] <TJ-> gambl0re: reboot in recovery mode, or break into the initrd shell, mount the file-system read/write, and correct the permissions
[17:23] <JohnDoe1972> im in the process of doing so
[17:23] <fulanito> what conf file I need to edit inorder to disable ufw
[17:23] <fulanito> or add ssh rule
[17:23] <fulanito> ??
[17:23] <JohnDoe1972> going for kylie 14.04
[17:23] <conorMcGregor9> JohnDoe1972, why not put win 7 on?
[17:24] <JohnDoe1972> ive 7 on my desktop
[17:24] <JohnDoe1972> i liketo keep xp around
[17:24] <ernalve> I read this http://askubuntu.com/questions/283985/unable-to-load-session-ubuntu-in-12-04 and I'd like to try it. What do you think?
[17:24] <JohnDoe1972> its an old laptop !
[17:24] <xangua> !ot
[17:24] <gambl0re> can you give me a walkthrough?....
[17:24] <JohnDoe1972> conorMcGregor9, its an old laptop
[17:24] <fulanito> any help?
[17:25] <JohnDoe1972> i really resent being forced to upgrade applications and hardware so i can do the same damn thing
[17:25] <conorMcGregor9> JohnDoe1972, just put ubuntu on it lol
[17:25] <JohnDoe1972> im going to
[17:25] <JohnDoe1972> this is why ive got this channel open
[17:26] <IntranetSupportR> petrvs: I don't know if you saw my story few lines up the page...can you please give me a hint on that issue - thank you
[17:26] <JohnDoe1972> hypothetically ! i install ubuntu on say 20 - 30 gig partition using grub !! than later u decide to abandon windows anderase it from its partition. can i then recover that partition an enlarge my ubunto partition to encompass it ?
[17:27] <fulanito> JohnDoe1972, can you help me?
[17:27] <conorMcGregor9> hypthetically speaking i beleive thats possible
[17:28] <IntranetSupportR> I have a server installed with ESXi and an Ubuntu VM on top of it, the server has a RAID 5 ... with 3 disks...one disk crashed last night...afterwards the VM won't init...instead it throws: init failsafe main process killed by term signal, thing is ESXi is booting and acting good, the VM is starting...but at one point....kernel panic and dies
[17:28] <JohnDoe1972> fulanito, 0_0 im no expert but will try !
[17:28] <fulanito> thanks
[17:28] <conorMcGregor9> although i had problems with doing that before JohnDoe1972, apparently the space had to be at the end of the disk lol
[17:28] <JohnDoe1972> fulanito, what appears to be the problem ?
[17:28] <fulanito> I enabled ufw without ssh rule
[17:28] <fulanito> so I dont have access to the instance
[17:28] <fulanito> I detached the volume and attached to another instance
[17:28] <JohnDoe1972> ahh im the wrong man to talk too
[17:28] <vbgunz> well, I tried again for the 15th time to try and manually add an entry to grub. let's see if this one gets me to the menu which is all I want
[17:28] <JohnDoe1972> im a beginner like you !
[17:29] <petrvs> IntranetSupportR: if I were you I'd convert the system to be raidless
[17:29] <fulanito> any one?
[17:29] <petrvs> any one what
[17:30] <fulanito> petrus, who can help me? I need to edit ufw rules manuelly either to desable it or to add ssh rule
[17:30] <fulanito> cause I cant connet to the instance
[17:30] <fulanito> I have already attached the volume to another instance
[17:30] <fulanito> but I dont know what files I need to edit to disabel or add ssh rule
[17:31] <fulanito> petrus, do you know the answer?
[17:31] <IntranetSupportR> petrvs: I'm looking for a way to make it boot normally again...though If I can't do it...I will reinstall and reintegrate all services and web content on a new instance...but that's kinda time consuming
[17:31] <conorMcGregor9> fulanito, what is the ufw running on?
[17:32] <fulanito> what do you mean? the disto is ubuntu 14.04
[17:32] <IntranetSupportR> petrvs: would fsck repair anything if the issue is generated by the failed RAID ?
[17:32] <conorMcGregor9> can u physically access the machine?
[17:32] <conorMcGregor9> and disable the ufw?
[17:32] <fulanito> nope, it is a virtual instance
[17:32] <fulanito> so I move the volume to another one and attached it
[17:33] <IntranetSupportR> petrvs: thing is the VM is simple lvm...no raid...the raid si hardware based and VMWare ESXi between hardware and VM...so
[17:34] <TJ-> *never* use RAID5 these days, and especially *never* with 3 disks!
[17:34] <armguy> Is there a way to prevent a route defined in transport to not fall back to other gateways if the route in transport has an outage? I am running 12.04.*
[17:34] <conorMcGregor9> fulanito, wont it be quick to just setup another virtual instance?
[17:35] <IntranetSupportR> TJ: I agree...is not my server...I just have the honor to repair it :)
[17:35] <fulanito> nope; because I have stuff in ther I need
[17:35] <fulanito> to be running
[17:35] <fulanito> I mean this instance has a lot of configuraton
[17:36] <TJ-> IntranetSupportR: I sympathise! It sounds like at least one of the VMs has been corrupted. Is the array still rebuilding?
[17:36] <tomorrow> Excuse me. In konsole terminal, C-return C-. C-; C-= didn't work, have a good solution? Someone help me, thks.
[17:37] <armguy> Is there a way to prevent a route defined in transport to not fall back to other gateways if the route in transport has an outage? I am running 12.04.*
[17:38] <conorMcGregor9> C-return?
[17:38] <armguy> maybe asking about cntrl + c ?
[17:38] <conorMcGregor9> yeah
[17:38] <conorMcGregor9> but if hes pressing c + return in the console...
[17:39] <IntranetSupportR> TJ: thing is I removed the bad disk but I don't have a good one to replace now... so is running in two disks with array in status degraded... in theory I should be fine right ? I mean...ESXi is running ok...the VM tries to boot but it hangs with kernel panic...what I don't understand...what is the reason...did the Ubuntu got a crash right when that disk member failed or this is a permanent error until the moment the RAID will be back in normal m
[17:40] <tomorrow> In terminal, emacs's keybinding.
[17:40] <IntranetSupportR> TJ: right now I'm copying the VM files and transfer them to another healthy ESXi server... I'll import the vmx file and start the VM ... see what happens
[17:41] <TJ-> IntranetSupportR: In theory the array should operate in degraded mode, but this is one of the issues with RAID5... there are so many complex variations that can cause failures. At the least the parity is incorrect. At worst the data is.
[17:41] <lisbeth> On ubuntu server 14.04 64 bit i don't have an /etc/shells directory and I am not sure why
[17:42] <tomorrow> :(
[17:43] <IntranetSupportR> TJ: thing is even if I can't manage to start the VM...I have access to data...my fear now is when I'll try to copy the data from a live cd to a ssh / ftp destination.... if it fails to read .... damn
[17:44] <IntranetSupportR> TJ: from your experience ... when Ubuntu is virtualized...I guess there's less to troubleshoot than if Ubuntu would run on physical server ?
[17:45] <petrvs> there's less (virtual) hardware you could be using, so sure
[17:46] <IntranetSupportR> Ok guys... thanx for your time and thoughts...I appreaciate...have a great day all !
[17:47] <armguy> Is there a way to prevent a route defined in transport to not fall back to other gateways if the route in transport has an outage? I am running 12.04.*
[17:52] <ImJune> hello
[17:52] <ImJune> The software center is not finding my gtx960 drivers like it used to (14.04lts)
[17:53] <notpratheek> Hello, I got a question, why are the packages in ubuntu 14.04 LTS a bit outdated ?
[17:53] <ImJune> It was finding them before with issues
[17:53] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[17:54] <ShapeShifter499> so I'm getting the following error running ubuntu inside of a chroot
[17:54] <ShapeShifter499> sudo: effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without root privileges?
[17:54] <armguy> cause 14.04 is not bleeding edge its an lts release notpratheek. Things get locked and slowly pushed out
[17:54] <ShapeShifter499> any ideas why guys?
[17:55] <notpratheek> armguy: is it possible to track packages' progress ? (cause I wanted to follow about golang, which is currently 1.2.1 in 14.04,but the newest is 1.4.2)
[17:55] <ImJune> this is so lame
[17:55] <ImJune> was fine before
[17:55] <xangua> !latest | notpratheek
[17:56] <armguy> see if there is a ppa maybe? Ubuntu is not the best OS for staying in line with upstream releases
[17:56] <ImJune> even can't find the proper packages when I run apt-get
[17:56] <armguy> stability != older packages
[17:57] <armguy> Ubuntu's "stability" is in their locking of packages, and "stability" is really relative and is by no mean more so through a locked lts setup that only gets specific updates for specific reasons.
[17:58] <notpratheek> armguy: Oh ok ! got it ! :) (recently shifted from Fedora, which is why I was wondering about these slightly older packages !)
[17:58] <ImJune> stability lol I would actually get mad about that statement if ubuntu wasn't free
[17:58] <armguy> same here Ubuntu is more unstable than my Arch Linux prod boxes
[17:59] <ImJune> but the community is kinder
[17:59] <armguy> but my company insists on Ubuntu in prod. Gotta love the endless will not fix bugs in lts versions
[17:59] <ImJune> I can't stand arch
[17:59] <ImJune> I get more love in the BSD world
[18:00] <OerHeks> ImJune, support for gtx960 came with the 346 driver http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/81252/en-us which is not standard in 14.04
[18:00] <pbx> stop debating distros or i'll start saying how much i love windows
[18:00] <ImJune> lol
[18:00] <ernalves> Hi, everyone. I'm back with the same problem: uninstalled Unity, tried to install Mate and now can't login. I just tried to reinstall ubuntu-desktop from terminal using the guidelines here http://askubuntu.com/questions/283985/unable-to-load-session-ubuntu-in-12-04
[18:00] <armguy> I dont care about love in a community I want solid stuff that gets fixed. Not stuf with many will not fix bugs. Then you get to piece meal together some BS fix to work around crap that should be fixed
[18:00] <ImJune> I already downloaded those drivers Oer
[18:00] <OerHeks> !ot | armguy
[18:00] <ImJune> I just need to install them I wish I could just get the update app to see it
[18:00] <OerHeks> and watch your language please, thanks.
[18:01] <armguy> lol I am answering what someone asked
[18:01] <armguy> how is crap a bad word?
[18:01] <armguy> I did not say shit !
[18:01] <ShapeShifter499> crud is better
[18:01] <ImJune> I dunno this guy is power tripping or something
[18:01] <ernalves> but I got an error message: can't write /var/libr/dpkg/lock (read only) and can't write to var/cache/apt either
[18:01] <armguy> lmfao
[18:02] <armguy> how so I am answering a questions someone else had and giving my opinion. When is sharing ones opinion a power trip?
[18:02] <taysu> halo
[18:02] <armguy> Did not realize #ubuntu is communist controlled entity where opinions are not welcome to questions about Ubuntu lts and the locked packages in it
[18:03] <ernalves> I tried sudo rm /var/libr/apt/lists/lock but it says read only again... what can I do?
[18:03] <OerHeks> ImJune, xorg edgers provides nvidia 346 349 352 https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[18:03] <notpratheek> ernalves: that means apt-get is running (somewhere)
[18:03] <ImJune> Oer thanks
[18:04] <notpratheek> ernalves: which is why, you can't run another process of apt-get
[18:05] <ImJune> in fairness I don't like arch rolling release system either it has broken on my AMD hardware many times
[18:05] <ImJune> arch is so far from beginner friendly
[18:05] <gambl0re> my ubuntu vm is messed up....display is lagging, the menu at the top of the app (file, edit, view search) is constantly hiding and showing, sudo commands arent working.
[18:05] <armguy> if you want beginner friendly sure not for you.
[18:05] <gambl0re> anybody can help me?
[18:05] <notpratheek> ImJune: what about Fedora ?
[18:05] <armguy> but watchout ImJune you are not off topic
[18:05] <mrchairman> My monitor keeps shutting off, even though I set it not to. What can I do?
[18:05] <ImJune> Fedora is ok
[18:05] <ImJune> I mean its similar to centOS that I use at work
[18:05] <xangua> !ot
[18:06] <ImJune> well I don't use a gui therer
[18:06] <ernalves> notpratheek: I see what you mean, what should I do?
[18:09] <iceroot> if have a mount point in /etc/fstab, as it seems since ubuntu 15.04 /etc/fstab is not used automaticly anymore? on older ubuntu version and debian the /etc/fstab mountpoint is still working, of 15.04 i have to execute sudo mount -a to get all my points from that file. so were there any changes?
[18:09] <AmazonianDude_> not sure whats going on guys but my ubuntu desktop crashed while playing a youtube video
[18:09] <AmazonianDude_> and it went to a black screen
[18:09] <AmazonianDude_> then a series of fast moving text
[18:09] <AmazonianDude_> then kicked back to login screen
[18:10] <jhutchins> AmazonianDude_: Sounds like it rebooted.
[18:11] <jhutchins> ernalves: Do you know how to list running processes?
[18:11] <ernalves> no, please tell me how
[18:11] <AmazonianDude_> Alls I was doing was playing a 45 minute video on a 64 bit system, with 8 GB RAM installed, AMD R7-240 Graphics card. and it forced a reboot? o.o
[18:11] <jhutchins> AmazonianDude_: Could've hit a temp limit.
[18:11] <jhutchins> AmazonianDude_: When was the last time you cleaned the cooling system?
[18:12] <mrchairman> I ran out of space on my hard drive because I had 3 virtual machines. I didn't think a VM was that big.
[18:12] <AmazonianDude_> I cleaned the fans not too long ago
[18:12] <KowabungaDude^_> test
[18:12] <AmazonianDude_> I don't think it's a temp limit. The fans are blowing cold air
[18:13] <jhutchins> AmazonianDude_: Is lm_sensors installed?
[18:13] <AmazonianDude_> How to check?
[18:13] <AmazonianDude_> I don't know I just fear for the possibilty someone remotely connected to my desktop or something. idk.
[18:14] <ImJune> I am going to try ubuntu 15.04 lts
[18:14] <ImJune> oops I mean just 15.04
[18:14] <ImJune> last time it found the drivers for my card with no fuss
[18:15] <conorMcGregor9> ernalves, ps aux
[18:15] <ImJune> I give up on 14.04 on this machine
[18:15] <ImJune> I have already lost over an hour trying to get this graphics driver working
[18:15] <conorMcGregor9> 15.04 is dev/testing?
[18:16] <xangua> !15.04 | conorMcGregor9
[18:16] <conorMcGregor9> O.o lol
[18:16] <ImJune> yes but it is not an LTS
[18:16] <conorMcGregor9> !14.04
[18:16] <ImJune> 9 month support on the odd numbers usually
[18:16] <AmazonianDude_> I have 15.04 installed on a 120 GB SSD
[18:16] <ImJune> nice
[18:16] <ImJune> I want an SSD
[18:16] <ImJune> for my desktop
[18:17] <ImJune> I should sell myself somewhere for a PciE one lel
[18:17] <AmazonianDude_> What desktop hardware you got?
[18:17] <ImJune> AMD a8 7600
[18:17] <ernalves> I can do a ps aux and report back, the issue is that I'm currently on windows -from my dual boot- because ubuntu just won't login. Is there a way to save the ps aux results to my windows drive so I can later paste it for you?
[18:17] <ImJune> asrock mini itx board
[18:17] <ObrienDave> OMG i just had to completely disable IPV6 to properly update my system :S
[18:18] <ImJune> gtx 960 evga
[18:18] <ImJune> hard drives suck 1 is a 1tb toshiba sshd which is slow anyway and the other a WD black 750gb
[18:18] <ImJune> which I install nix systems on
[18:18] <conorMcGregor9> ernalves, you can mount your windows hard drive, then just output the result '>' to the mount
[18:18] <ImJune> oh yea ram is 2400mhz radeon 8gb 4gb x 2
[18:19] <AmazonianDude_> AMD FX-6000 6-Core CPU, R7-240 Graphics
[18:19] <AmazonianDude_> 8 gig ram
[18:19] <ImJune> I have an extra r7-240 4gb version here
[18:19] <ImJune> its xfx
[18:19] <ImJune> low profile
[18:19] <ImJune> used to run it in hybrid crossfire
[18:19] <AmazonianDude_> And 3 hard drives, 1tb Windows 7 drive, upgradable to W10 next month, 120 gb ssd running ubuntu 15.04
[18:19] <ImJune> nice
[18:20] <AmazonianDude_> and this 500gb hdd running ubuntu 14.04
[18:20] <ImJune> I want a new motherboard and an intel chip
[18:20] <ImJune> I just feel more compatibility
[18:20] <ImJune> x99 sabertooth
[18:21] <ImJune> and maybe the 6 core intel 5XXX I dunno the numbers
[18:21] <ImJune> I
[18:21] <Beetlejuice> intel mobos are good
[18:21] <Beetlejuice> 5920 5920 or 5960
[18:21] <ImJune> I don't think intel makes them
[18:21] <Johnny_Linux> asus or bust
[18:21] <Beetlejuice> eh 5930
[18:21] <ImJune> they make cpu I know that
[18:21] <ImJune> maybe an ssd or two
[18:22] <Beetlejuice> 1 os 240 is enought
[18:22] <Beetlejuice> of of
[18:22] <ImJune> yeah maybe my wife is getting me a new ssd soon
[18:22] <Beetlejuice> i have 1 tb
[18:22] <ImJune> I evesdropped :)
[18:22] <Beetlejuice> sata
[18:22] <ImJune> SSD?
[18:23] <Beetlejuice> no no, there's ssd, sata, and a hybrid ssd-sata, this is sata
[18:23] <ImJune> sata is a connection type
[18:23] <Beetlejuice> i meant big
[18:23] <ImJune> ssd can be sata PCie
[18:23] <Beetlejuice> eh yes
[18:23] <Beetlejuice> "normal" not fast
[18:23] <ImJune> ok
[18:24] <ImJune> so your 1tb drive is non ssd
[18:24] <Beetlejuice> i have 2 ports of those on the mobo with 2x1tb
[18:24] <ImJune> its an HDD
[18:24] <Beetlejuice> no its not
[18:24] <ImJune> same here
[18:24] <Beetlejuice> hard disk drive indeed
[18:24] <jhutchins> It might be a good idea to take this discussion to ##hardware or somewhere it's not off-topic.
[18:24] <ImJune> mine is a toshiba hybrid but its performance is a joke
[18:24] <Beetlejuice> sure
[18:24] <Beetlejuice> this is ubuntu relate ImJune
[18:24] <Beetlejuice> i was duding
[18:25] <ImJune> sure Or I can just reboot try installing 15.04 and not punch my screen
[18:25] <Pici> /70/70
[18:25] <Beetlejuice> i installed 15.04 succesfully with a tcl bot which works
[18:26] <Beetlejuice> usually he doesnt work
[18:26] <Beetlejuice> is for make server ops etc for ircd
[18:26] <Beetlejuice> glines etc
[18:26] <Pici> Is there a support question you had?
[18:27] <Beetlejuice> i ran a old ircu local with a znc, the bot, etc
[18:27] <Beetlejuice> no Pici sorry
[18:27] <Pici> Beetlejuice: #ubuntu-offtopic exists if you just want to chat, there are a bunch of us there.
[18:27] <Beetlejuice> i dont understand why that bot works on my setup and not on normal ubuntu
[18:27] <Beetlejuice> OK
[18:28] <Beetlejuice> Pici: wait
[18:28] <Beetlejuice> Pici: http://pastebin.com/cXVRYipg ^
[18:30] <Pici> Beetlejuice: Perhaps it only supports specific versions of tcl?
[18:31] <Beetlejuice> perhaps but you cant imagine how many versions of tcl i've installed and technically should be only 8.5x
[18:32] <Beetlejuice> i will case i loose this installation 8.5.x all of them ty
[18:36] <lisbeth> What is it called when you send data requests to a server in the url, and then the server outputs the answers back in the page content?
[18:37] <jhutchins> lisbeth: An API?
[18:38] <lisbeth> jhutchins: Maybe. I'll ask again if it turns out that's not what it is.
[18:39] <gambl0re> i f*cking hate linux...
[18:39] <jpds> gambl0re: Noone's forcing you to use it.
[18:39] <lisbeth> gambl0re: why?
[18:39] <gambl0re> i spend more time troubleshooting problems then doing actual work..
[18:40] <lisbeth> gambl0re: how long have you been using linux. After you get used to it becomes easy
[18:40] <gambl0re> im now reinstalling ubuntu for the like the 3rd time now cause something got screwed up..
[18:40] <jpds> gambl0re: What are you trying to do?
[18:40] <flexus> hi. did something change in 3.19.0-21 lowlatency? i got a "usb 1-3-port4: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?" on my snd_usb_audio
[18:41] <gambl0re> i was trying to install some packages using npm, as usual i was getting error messages
[18:41] <gambl0re> googled for like an hour
[18:42] <gambl0re> tried uninstall a couple other packages, as usual, getting errors.
[18:42] <gambl0re> google for another hour..
[18:42] <gambl0re> fuck this
[18:42] <vbgunz> I have an nvidia card and noticed that on one boot, I boot up and my terminals are blank. completely blank, I didn't know this but cryptsetup was stopping me from booting up because it was asking for a password and I never saw the prompt. anyhow, the terminals remain dark even after logging in. How do I get my terminals back?
[18:42] <jpds> gambl0re: Stop wanting to use npm?
[18:43] <lisbeth> gambl0re: The package manager for ubuntu is called APT, and is the main way you should be installing packages. What were you trying to install?
[18:43] <vbgunz> if I reboot, every other boot, the terminals work and I can see prompts, etc. it's the weirdest issue
[18:43] <gambl0re> it doesnt matter now...i already started the reinstalltion process..
[18:44] <lisbeth> gambl0re: If you let us talk you through your issues I can almost garuntee you we can teach you how to solve the problem on your own next time. Why don't you explain in detail the steps you were taking and where the problem has arisen?
[18:45] <lisbeth> gambl0re: Some of us have been using linux for multiple years and are experts.
[18:45] <zykotick9> vbgunz: the black VTs is common when you use nvidia.com's driver. Did you?
[18:46] <vbgunz> zykotick9: yeah, on 14.10 but no on 15.04 (used the provided driver)
[18:46] <gambl0re> i cant really explain to you the problem cause i dont really know. i was trying to install some web development packages (nodejs, ember) and they require npm
[18:46] <cheetahw26> I want to continue to use network-manager, but I can't figure out how to connect to a wifi network with wpa2 via the command line...
[18:46] <gambl0re> and whenn i try installing using npm shit never works..
[18:46] <genii> vbgunz: Sometimes it keeps toggling between Intel and Nvidia if you have one of those hybrid cards
[18:46] <vbgunz> it's the same issue though on 14.10 and 15.04. one boot, it's a black screen, the next boot I can see everything fine
[18:47] <jpds> gambl0re: There's a package for nodejs.
[18:47] <jpds> !info nodejs | gambl0re
[18:47] <vbgunz> hmm.. the intel onboard graphics is not plugged in. every display is plugged into the nvidia card
[18:48] <gambl0re> i dont even know what you just said right here..
[18:48] <jpds> gambl0re: sudo apt-get install nodejs
[18:48] <lisbeth> gambl0re: Keep in mind some of the people on here are very smart but not very good at explaining things.
[18:48] <jpds> gambl0re: Installs nodejs from the official repos.
[18:49] <regedit> TJ-: heya
[18:49] <gambl0re> ok let me ask you guys this...
[18:49] <TJ-> regedit: Hey. How you progressing?
[18:49] <gambl0re> when i install ANYTHING using package manager, do i run using sudo or user?
[18:49] <jpds> gambl0re: sudo.
[18:50] <gambl0re> i keep getting conflicting answers...
[18:50] <lisbeth> jhutchins: I think an API is the solution I was looking for.
[18:50] <regedit> TJ-: not too well unfortunately; removing battery and using AC only didnt seem to help, how is that supposed to disarm intel rapid start anyway?
[18:50] <lisbeth> gambl0re: to install anything on any linux system you need to be an administrator. In linux we call this a sudoer.
[18:50] <regedit> if that is the issue anyway
[18:50] <lisbeth> gambl0re: to make any command a sudoer command, type sudo infront of it
[18:51] <lisbeth> gambl0re: Example. "apt-get install firefox" becomes "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[18:51] <vbgunz> ok, tried something, gotta reboot to test
[18:51] <TJ-> regedit: Sometimes that will cause the settings to be cleared in laptops/notebooks.
[18:51] <lisbeth> gambl0re: you also want to update before you install anything any time you install anything. The command for this is "sudo apt-get update"
[18:51] <gambl0re> if i install a package using sudo, does that mean only root has access to those files?
[18:52] <lisbeth> gambl0re: No. The developer of the package determins who has access to it, unless you change it. Most software can be used by all users.
[18:53] <lisbeth> gambl0re: however if you are moving around or editing files as sudo or root that will usually cause root to own it.
[18:53] <lisbeth> gambl0re: Usually you only want to use sudo if you are required to.
[18:53] <TJ-> regedit: I'm a bit concerned that the fwts cannot read any variables. That suggests the firmware is customised to a degree where the OS cannot properly 'talk' to it, which might explain why a Windows Recovery can also cause this issue. From my research I believe its cause is that the free space in NVRAM isn't being garbage-collected which is causing weird knock-on effects since some variables cannot be altered.
[18:54] <regedit> TJ-: sounds like what that other guy was talking about in that lonely bios-mods forum thread
[18:54] <lisbeth> gambl0re: the cool thing is there are these things called aliases which can make typing easier on you. You can take a long string like "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install" and make it a single word like "checkinstall." then all you have to type is, checkinstall <packagename> to install something.
[18:55] <Pici> lisbeth: well, checkinstall is already the name of another tool, so it would be weird to do that.
[18:55] <TJ-> regedit: I've finally managed to bisect the kernel to the commit that breaks it - the issue I've been working on since last Friday. At least 1 of us is making progress :)
[18:56] <regedit> TJ-: heh :) great success to you!
[18:57] <vitothe> !list
[18:57] <vitothe> ciao
[18:57] <regedit> TJ-: this is about as close as i ever got to playing with linux kernel - http://eudyptula-challenge.org/
[18:57] <regedit> TJ-: well actually, just reading that page, and not actually doing anything with it :p
[18:57] <gambl0re> yea but whenever i try to install anything without usng sudo, it always gives me an error msg saying you dont have permission or some BS like that
[18:57] <ernalve> Hi, I have this problem: I tried replacing Unity with Mate in Ubuntu 14.04 but now I can't login to Ubuntu. I get to the login screen, type my password and get a message saying the login has failed. Any help?
[18:58] <TJ-> regedit: I've been doing kernel development since 2005 ... started off by necessity
[18:58] <sha1sum> Sooooo, my dumb self accidentally created the root mount point on a regular drive and the home directory on a SSD when I meant to do the reverse. How can I use a live USB stick to switch the data and change the bootloader?
[18:58] <lisbeth> ernalve: try ctrl+alt+f1 and see if that takes you to a terminal
[18:59] <gambl0re> also i changed the folder permissions on usr/lib and thats when my system started falling apart...
[18:59] <cheetahw26> eh... finally found something that works in a checkbox script...
[19:01] <qdii> hey
[19:01] <lisbeth> gambl0re: taht's becuase linux is designed so that you can't install something without sudo. The purpose of this is that only the person who is the administrator of the computer can control what's installed.
[19:01] <qdii> why can't I escalate like this: "echo password | sudo -S su"
[19:01] <lisbeth> gambl0re: It is perfectly ok to use sudo to install software. Just be careful when installing something from third parties.
[19:01] <rory> qdii: you can set it up so you can run "sudo su" without a password
[19:01] <rory> qdii: and then you wouldn't need to resort to such hackery
[19:01] <regedit> TJ-: cool wow, this is the story of the linux world innit
[19:02] <regedit> hah that's a good pun in(n)it
[19:02] <lisbeth> gambl0re: everything in your repo should be safe to install. This is one of the benefits of a package management system.
[19:02] <qdii> rory my case is a bit complicated, I really need to feed the password
[19:03] <ernalve> hey, I get to terminal but can't login from there either
[19:03] <sha1sum> Can I just switch the data between the partitions, change /etc/fstab, and change the bootloader configuration?
[19:03] <ernalve> it just won't recognize my user as a valid one
[19:03] <qdii> it's a ssh connection established from a php script
[19:03] <maximus2> where the heck is the chat room
[19:03] <lisbeth> gambl0re: if you are looking for a way to install software that is a little easier than the command line, but a bit better than the ubuntu software center, try using synaptic.
[19:03] <lisbeth> gambl0re: synaptic is a very good software manager that will take care of alot of the compilcated things for you
[19:03] <rory> qdii: look into "expect" - I don't know it in enough detail to help you directly, but it's a way of scriping the input of text into other programs
[19:05] <leshaste> I would like to stitch two scanned images together which have a large overlap.. is there a tool for this?
[19:05] <lisbeth> ernalve: are you sure your username and password are correct?
[19:07] <ernalve> lisbeth: I think so. I'm writing my password as always, no caps lock or mistakes, and the username is the one that shows up on my login screen...
[19:07] <jhutchins> leshaste: You could do it with The Gimp.
[19:07] <pbx> leshaste, you mean to find the overlap programmatically?
[19:07] <lisbeth> ernalve: could you show me a picture of your screen?
[19:08] <iceroot> if have a mount point in /etc/fstab, as it seems since ubuntu 15.04 /etc/fstab is not used automaticly anymore? on older ubuntu version and debian the /etc/fstab mountpoint is still working, of 15.04 i have to execute sudo mount -a to get all my points from that file. so were there any changes?
[19:08] <ernalve> lisbeth: i'm using windows now from my dual boot, because linux won't login
[19:08] <lisbeth> ernalve: do you have a picture phone?
[19:09] <iceroot> qdii: dont use expect for ssh, its to buggy, there is only one correct way and that is "pubkey". everything else is wrong, insecure and buggy
[19:09] <ernalve> lisbeth, not actually
[19:09] <ernalve> no phone
[19:09] <ernalve> but I can try any suggestions and report back
[19:10] <iceroot> qdii: and also sudo su is very wrong, use sudo -i instead and never ever use something like "echo password". its stored in your bash history and maybe also in log files
[19:10] <lisbeth> ernalve: well you are going to want to try a process called recovery
[19:10] <lisbeth> ernalve: if your user and password isn't working there's a few ways to do this
[19:10] <lisbeth> ernalve: one is to try to save your install, and this is by far the hardest option.
[19:11] <lisbeth> ernalve: if all you want is the files in your documents and pictures etcetera, then you can just copy them over and then reinstall your ubuntu system
[19:11] <gambl0re> i still dont get it...whats the difference if i use sudo or not when installing something?
[19:11] <ernalve> lisbeth: that's ok
[19:11] <lisbeth> gambl0re: if you type sudo it makes the command you are running an admin command
[19:11] <iceroot> gambl0re: sudo is used to ecexute something as root, if not using sudo, your current user is used
[19:11] <lisbeth> gambl0re: if you don't type sudo it is not an admin comand
[19:11] <iceroot> !sudo | gambl0re
[19:12] <bekks> sudo elevates your privileges to run a command with root privileges.
[19:12] <iceroot> gambl0re: always use sudo, dont login as root directly
[19:12] <gambl0re> if im the only person using this computer then it doesnt really matter
[19:12] <iceroot> gambl0re: of course it does
[19:12] <lisbeth> gambl0re: anything that coudl potentially mess up your system, they make you type sudo for two reasons. First of all so that only the administrators can do it. Second of all because they want you to understand that the operation comes with risk.
[19:13] <iceroot> gambl0re: you are executing EVERYTHING as root when you are logged in as root also in cases where root is not needed
[19:13] <lisbeth> gambl0re: basically any time you use sudo just be careful
[19:13] <lisbeth> iceroot: puppy linux runs everything as root
[19:13] <iceroot> gambl0re: its much easier to kill a system if you are root all the time
[19:13] <iceroot> lisbeth: and?
[19:13] <iceroot> lisbeth: windows xp also runs everything as admin
[19:13] <lisbeth> iceroot just making small talk
[19:14] <SchrodingersScat> !ot | lisbeth
[19:14] <ernalve> lisbeth: how can I recover my files?
[19:14] <lisbeth> ernalve: pop in your ubuntu disk and when you get to the option to "try ubuntu or install ubuntu" click "try ubuntu". It should give you access to all of your files.
[19:14] <bekks> iceroot: Windows XP doesnt run everything as admin. It is the user who logs in with the Administrator account.
[19:15] <iceroot> bekks: and the default user is an admin account
[19:15] <Bashing-om> ernalve: Loss of access is often times loos of authorizatio to acces "your" /home . ' ls -al /home ; ls -al /home/<Username> ' Do "you" own the files ?
[19:15] <lisbeth> SchrodingersScat: The chat isn't very active right now. I don't see the harm in going slightly off topic with this little traffic.
[19:16] <bekks> iceroot: And using the Administrator account for your daily work is strongly discouraged, as on every OS. So let's move on.
[19:16] <iceroot> bekks: but i think we both agree that it is bad to login as admin/root instead of a normal user and only get admin/root access if needed
[19:16] <iceroot> bekks: +1
[19:17] <ernalve> I'm the only user in this computer, I guess that's not the problem
[19:17] <gambl0re> i cant do step 3.1 - http://installfest.railsbridge.org/installfest/linux
[19:17] <gambl0re> im getting a long ass error msg AS USUAL
[19:17] <Bashing-om> ernalve: Check and see, will only take a tic in time .
[19:17] <ernalve> ok, thanks
[19:18] <lisbeth> gambl0re: for future reference when in IRC getting help, it is beneficial to you to post the guide you are following at the outset of the conversation.
[19:18] <gambl0re> ok...
[19:18] <gambl0re> do you want me to paste the error message?
[19:18] <lisbeth> gambl0re: send us the output of your terminal when you attempt step 3.1
[19:18] <lisbeth> the entire output
[19:18] <Bashing-om> ernalve: Could possibility that "root" owns "your" files ... not "you" . check and make sure with the above.
[19:19] <gambl0re> ricky@ricky-VB:~$ curl -L get.rvm.io | bash -s stable
[19:19] <gambl0re> % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
[19:19] <gambl0re> Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
[19:19] <gambl0re> 100 184 100 184 0 0 518 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 522
[19:19] <gambl0re> 100 22721 100 22721 0 0 21923 0 0:00:01 0:00:01 --:--:-- 41086
[19:19] <gambl0re> Downloading https://github.com/rvm/rvm/archive/1.26.11.tar.gz
[19:19] <mherweg> how can i install missing language packs on the command line ?
[19:19] <Falcon> How could i use Ubuntu on a currently windows 8 PC
[19:19] <lisbeth> gambl0re: Oh. Do you know how to open a .tar.gz file?
[19:20] <n344ly> Falcon: dual boot or in a virtual
[19:20] <Falcon> dual boot
[19:20] <gambl0re> https://gist.github.com/crazyboy867/1ef5035d2b328ead43db
[19:20] <gambl0re> theres the error msg
[19:20] <n344ly> !uefi | Falcon check this
[19:20] <jpds> gambl0re: Dude.
[19:20] <gambl0re> i know how to open it using the gui
[19:20] <gambl0re> what?
[19:21] <jpds> gambl0re: ANY software that makes you run a bash script from the internet, is just going to be trouble.
[19:21] <Falcon> thanks n344ly
[19:21] <mherweg> Falcon: boot from stick or DVD
[19:21] <n344ly> Falcon: Be sure to preface the user nick your addressing, you can tab complete nicks. ;)
[19:21] <gambl0re> im just following instructions....what do i know?
[19:21] <lisbeth> gambl0re: I think that the keys that that guide uses are expired. Try using this guide for that step: https://rvm.io/rvm/install
[19:21] <gambl0re> dont blame me, blame the author
[19:22] <Falcon> mherweg, i have tried that it did install then showed bootstrap error
[19:22] <lisbeth> gambl0re: I am not blaming you
[19:22] <Falcon> n344ly, thanks
[19:22] <lisbeth> gambl0re: it's pretty common
[19:22] <n344ly> gambl0re: I'm not sure any of that is supported here realistically, just saying.
[19:23] <mherweg> !wubi
[19:23] <jpds> gambl0re: If I were you, I would be doing this in a virtual machine.
[19:24] <lisbeth> jpds: since gambl0re is willing to reformat is machine so readily I don't think that is a necessary step.
[19:24] <n344ly> mherweg: Key note in bot's nessage, "Do not use Wubi" it is not supported.
[19:24] <mherweg> ok
[19:25] <gambl0re> i am doing in a vm
[19:25] <JohnDoe1972> guys why are there so many distros and what do they really offer thats different from each other ?
[19:26] <MonkeyDust> JohnDoe1972 that's a question for #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:26] <JohnDoe1972> jesus really
[19:26] <mherweg> never tried win8. with win7 dual boot works fine
[19:26] <JohnDoe1972> couldnt you just answer the question
[19:27] <n344ly> mherweg: If you have W8 make sure you know if a UEFI setup or not, this is a crucial issue.
[19:27] <trijntje> JohnDoe1972: because different people like different things. Its like asking why there are so many different foods
[19:27] <MonkeyDust> JohnDoe1972 this is not the place for discussion, stick to support questions
[19:27] <MonkeyDust> or so many different carq
[19:27] <MonkeyDust> cars
[19:27] <JohnDoe1972> ok i need some support
[19:27] <JohnDoe1972> im going to install linux but im confused what distro to choose
[19:28] <JohnDoe1972> what considerations should i have when choosing a distro
[19:28] <conorMcGregor9> start with ubuntu
[19:28] <JohnDoe1972> why ?
[19:28] <conorMcGregor9> u can always install another should u not like it
[19:28] <n344ly> JohnDoe1972: You are missing the point this is ubuntu support on installs and problems only.
[19:28] <conorMcGregor9> because its somewhere to start
[19:28] <lisbeth> JohnDoe1972: the most guides out there on the internet are for ubuntu 14.04 linux unity edition
[19:28] <lisbeth> JohnDoe1972: you will get the most support on that distro
[19:28] <trijntje> JohnDoe1972: its easiest to stick with the biggest ones (ubuntu and mint I think), that way there is a lot of support
[19:28] <Bashing-om> JohnDoe1972: ^^ ther is no one answer, the resonses can be many . Linux, no one size fits all .. And yes the discussion belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic. Support for ubuntu does belong here .
[19:28] <conorMcGregor9> i used debian for years and recently changed to ubuntu
[19:28] <MonkeyDust> JohnDoe1972 if you have to start somewhere, start with ubuntu
[19:29] <JohnDoe1972> ok folks thanks for the positive support.
[19:29] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: when you ask in #ubuntu start with ubuntu :) for other comparisons ask in ##linux or #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:29] <conorMcGregor9> and cant beleive how easier things were with ubuntu
[19:29] <conorMcGregor9> it comes with 3.16 kernel, so i didnt have to backport a newer one
[19:29] <kostkon> JohnDoe1972, becuase you've alredy made the first step, joined its support channel
[19:29] <JohnDoe1972> any links to guides for nobs
[19:29] <conorMcGregor9> installing nvidia drivers was as simple as clicking a radio button...
[19:29] <k1l> conorMcGregor9: 15.04 even ships with 3.19
[19:30] <p5yc071c> has anyone recently had an issue with the boot folder filling up with updates?
[19:30] <MonkeyDust> !manual | JohnDoe1972 start here
[19:30] <lisbeth> JohnDoe1972: I have plenty of time today. If you talk to me in PM I can guide you through everything you need to know.
[19:30] <trijntje> JohnDoe1972: ubuntu comes with good documentation by default, just search for 'help' in the menu after installing
[19:30] <JohnDoe1972> thx ubottu
[19:30] <JohnDoe1972> :D
[19:30] <JohnDoe1972> ;)
[19:30] <n344ly> lisbeth: We like every thing on the channel
[19:30] <lisbeth> n344ly noted
[19:31] <n344ly> ;)
[19:31] <conorMcGregor9> i didnt know there was a 3.19 kernel lol
[19:31] <n344ly> peer review is all
[19:31] <lisbeth> n344ly: is it acceptable to invite people to be social network contacts?
[19:32] <n344ly> lisbeth: Thetre is no rule here basically, just on help you really want that peer review, we all make mistakes. ;)
[19:32] <vooze> Hi, I cant seem to add the google chrome to the gnome shell launcher/dock. If i do, it just lanches another instance. What could be the cause of this?
[19:33] <conorMcGregor9> if u click terminal does it open new ones too?
[19:33] <n344ly> vooze: you are right clicking it in the search and adding?
[19:35] <Bashing-om> p5yc071c: Lots ! The system will not impose on your desires and remove old kernels. That is at your direct descretion . What returnd ' df -h ; df -i ' ?
[19:35] <ptree> guys do you know how to update llvm to the "development" version?
[19:35] <Jordan_U> regedit: Please pastebin the output of "sudo efibootmgr" and "ls /sys/fs/pstore/".
[19:36] <n344ly> ptree: This is repo supported.
[19:36] <conorMcGregor9> ptree, just install the dev version
[19:38] <p5yc071c> I'm having trouble installing updates as the boot folder is overfilled...
[19:38] <n344ly> p5yc071c: Do you have a seperate boot partition?
[19:38] <HoloIRCUser> 14.04LTS. After applying software update and restarting, I'm no longer able to log in graphically - the screen freezes, responds to mouse but never loads sidebar. How can I get to a console?
[19:38] <p5yc071c> no
[19:39] <p5yc071c> *Not that I know of* ; )
[19:39] <k1l> p5yc071c: remove old kernel packages. see with "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" what are installed
[19:39] <n344ly> p5yc071c: pastebin sudo fdsik -l
[19:39] <k1l> p5yc071c: oh, please show a "df -h" first in a pastebin
[19:39] <ebernhar2son> I just installed ubuntu 14.04 on my new laptop with a 2560x1440 screen. Annoyingly the fonts are all the wrong size, any idea how to fix: http://i.imgur.com/QH5WhAj.png
[19:39] <Bashing-om> p5yc071c: K; show us : ' df -h | pastebinit ' IF you are not at 100% capacity there may be an easy solution .
[19:39] <p5yc071c> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[19:39] <p5yc071c> /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root 901G 195G 661G 23% /
[19:39] <p5yc071c> none 4.0K 0 4.0K 0% /sys/fs/cgroup
[19:39] <p5yc071c> udev 7.8G 4.0K 7.8G 1% /dev
[19:39] <p5yc071c> tmpfs 1.6G 1.4M 1.6G 1% /run
[19:39] * ebernhar2son notes that screenshot didn't work right either ...
[19:39] <p5yc071c> none 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock
[19:39] <n344ly> err fdisk -l and k11's command
[19:40] <k1l> !paste | p5yc071c
[19:40] <HoloIRCUser> I've tried ctrl-alt-F1 through F6, no dice, ctrl-alt-backspace, nothing.
[19:40] <conorMcGregor9> fdisk will require root
[19:41] <Bashing-om> HoloIRCUser: Can you boot from grub's "recovery" kernel ? From ther we can look .
[19:41] <n344ly> HoloIRCUser: Have you installed propietary graphic drivers?
[19:41] <p5yc071c> n3rrtly - Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
[19:41] <p5yc071c> /dev/sda1 1 1050623 525311+ ee GPT
[19:41] <p5yc071c> Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary.
[19:41] <p5yc071c> /dev/sda2 * 1050624 1550335 249856 83 Linux
[19:41] <p5yc071c> /dev/sda3 1550336 1954209791 976329728 83 Linux
[19:41] <HoloIRCUser> N334ly: no.
[19:42] <k1l> p5yc071c: stop pasting the stuff in here. use a pastebin website like the bot told you
[19:42] <treelzeb_> !paste | p5yc071c
[19:42] <conorMcGregor9> df -h doesnt work?
[19:42] <HoloIRCUser> Bashing-om: okay, rebooting
[19:42] <genii> p5yc071c: If you don't start using a pastebin we'll have no choice but to boot you, especially as you have been told to use one more than once npw
[19:43] <HoloIRCUser> Bashing-om okay, I have a root shell. Now what?
[19:44] <conorMcGregor9> now you have to say abra kadabra
[19:45] <Bashing-om> HoloIRCUser: We want to know that 1) "you" own your /home . in the terminal coomand ' ls -al /home ' You own the files and not 'root' ?? then we look at 2) .
[19:45] <HoloIRCUser> n334ly graphics card is an Intel GMA, runs find under mesa
[19:46] <HoloIRCUser> Or, rather, ran fine until today
[19:46] <treelzebub> ebernhar2son: i'd recommend installing Unity Tweak Tool. There's a Fonts tab, where you can Restore Defaults, or tweak as you like. to install: $ sudo apt-get install unity-tweak-tool
[19:47] <k1l> HoloIRCUser: does another user or the guest account work?
[19:48] <HoloIRCUser> k1l: guest account has the same problem
[19:49] <HoloIRCUser> K1l: ah, no, it seems guest account works fine
[19:49] <conorMcGregor9> whats the problem? a black screen when u login your other account?
[19:49] <k1l> which desktop is it? and what ubuntu version exactly?
[19:50] <ebernhar2son> treelzebub: hmm, tried that but it didn't change the size of the fonts in titlebars, just inside that single application. i'll try logging out to see if a reset makes any difference though
[19:50] <HoloIRCUser> conorMcGregor9: keeps login background, never progresses
[19:50] <k1l> so i would start with looking in the homefolder like Bashing-om told you to rule out the easy solutions.
[19:51] <HoloIRCUser> k1l: the default wm with default de, release is 14.04LTE, kernel is 3.16.0-41-generic
[19:51] <ebernhar1son> treelzebub: perhaps i'm doing something wrong, i logged out and logged back in and text scaling factor is back to 2.45
[19:51] <treelzebub> ebernhar2son: Sys Settings > Displays > "Scale for menu and title bars"
[19:51] <k1l> HoloIRCUser: so unity?
[19:51] <HoloIRCUser> K1l: sure.
[19:52] <regedit> Jordan_U: efibootmgr outputs "No BootOrder is set; firmware will attempt recovery"
[19:53] <regedit> Jordan_U: ls /sys/fs/pstore/ is empty
[19:54] <p5yc071c> Did the pastebins work?
[19:54] <HoloIRCUser> K1l: what am I looking for in the home directory? It has my files.
[19:54] <Jordan_U> regedit: What did happen when you booted with no drives plugged into the machine?
[19:54] <conorMcGregor9> did u paste the link?
[19:54] <p5yc071c> comorMcGregor9 - I had tried... here it is again: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732272/
[19:54] <k1l> HoloIRCUser: "ls -al" so you see the owners. see if there is stuff that is owned by root
[19:54] <p5yc071c> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732269/
[19:54] <treelzebub> ebernhar1son: if tweak-tool and sys settings keep reverting when you logout/in, you can try this: $ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Interface.app-fallback-to-maximum-scale-factor false
[19:55] <regedit> Jordan_U: nothing particularly interesting. i got the initial (bios?) boot menu which still had the option to boot "ubuntu" (which usually brings me to grub), except now it just didnt find the boot drive and carried on trying other boot devices
[19:55] <treelzebub> ebernhar1son: shit, sorry-- this: $ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Interface app-fallback-to-maximum-scale-factor false
[19:55] <k1l> p5yc071c: you have a seperated /boot partition. so do a "dpkg -l | grep linux-image" please in a pastebin
[19:55] <Jordan_U> regedit: And when all boot devices failed?
[19:55] <MichaelP> Runing kubuntu 15.04 installing ubuntu-deskto-next https://bpaste.net/show/312ba2efb8e0 .. can i make it ignore the blue tooth ?
[19:56] <regedit> Jordan_U: i think it just rebooted or something
[19:56] <regedit> reboot loop if i remember correctly
[19:56] <HoloIRCUser> K1l: in root shell, it hasn't done the mount rebind yet.
[19:56] <regedit> i can verify if it's important
[19:56] <ebernhar1son> treelzebub: excellent. how do you find those values? is there some sort of browser for all the settings that can be searched through?
[19:56] <p5yc071c> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732330/
[19:56] <Jordan_U> regedit: I'm not sure it's important, but I'm curious :)
[19:56] <regedit> oh :)
[19:57] <conorMcGregor9> open another shell Holo
[19:57] <HoloIRCUser> k1l: .. is owned by root, rest are owned by user
[19:57] <treelzebub> from ubuntu forums, i found some possible related bugs that led me to bugs.launchpad.net, and in the comments there was this solution. [src: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1310316]
[19:57] <Jordan_U> regedit: What was your original end goal in getting to the boot firmware menus? I seem to remember something about booting an OS that was installed for BIOS rather than UEFI?
[19:57] <HoloIRCUser> conormcgregor9: and then?
[19:57] <k1l> p5yc071c: you see the packages you got installed. so do a "sudo apt-get remove linux-image........ linux-image...." to remove the kernels not needed. but keep at least 2 different kernels installed
[19:58] <regedit> regedit: if i'm not mistaken both Windows and Ubuntu are currently UEFI installations
[19:58] <regedit> er Jordan_U ^
[19:58] <conorMcGregor9> HoloIRCUser, i thought u said your shell was working
[19:58] <regedit> Jordan_U: my goal is to mess with bios settings, like virtualization or intel rapid start / rapid storage etc
[19:58] <histo> regedit: did fwsetup work?
[19:58] <k1l> HoloIRCUser: ok, so maybe you need to reset the gnome settings.
[19:58] <HoloIRCUser> conormcgregor9: I have a root shell through recovery, yes. I want my wm to work after I log in with my user
[19:59] <regedit> histo: sadly not... grub said command not found
[19:59] <p5yc071c> kll - so...it doesn't matter which two that I keep?
[19:59] <p5yc071c> kll - or a better question - where do I go to learn about how to make that decision?
[19:59] <histo> regedit: what's the problem your having now? still can't get to fimrware?
[19:59] <regedit> histo: yep, inaccessible
[20:00] <regedit> the setup that is
[20:00] <HoloIRCUser> k1l: so delete the gnome-related files?
[20:00] <histo> regedit: did you try booting with the drive unplugged?
[20:00] <k1l> p5yc071c: i would say the latest one and then choose one that you like. if all worked just go for the second latest one. the second latest installed kernel is used for the recovery boot option in grub
[20:00] <regedit> histo: yup, nothing interesting was discovered there
[20:00] <histo> regedit: you still couldn't fn+f2?
[20:00] <conorMcGregor9> HoloIRCUser, do u have a lot of settings on your user?
[20:00] <Jordan_U> histo: No, fwsetup requires the ability to read and write to UEFI variables, and it looks like right now regedit's boot firmware is reporting that there are no UEFI variables at all whenever asked by an OS or bootloader (though clearly there is at least one, containing the boot entry for Ubuntu).
[20:00] <histo> regedit: and what do you mean by nothing interesting?
[20:00] <regedit> histo: correct, i couldnt..
[20:00] <HoloIRCUser> conormcgregor9: no
[20:00] <conorMcGregor9> and the guest account works?
[20:01] <HoloIRCUser> Yes
[20:01] <conorMcGregor9> just make a new account then and copy your files over
[20:01] <regedit> histo: system simply fails to find boot device, and power cycles
[20:01] <histo> regedit: does /sys/firmware/efi directory exxist
[20:01] <regedit> histo: yes
[20:02] <histo> regedit: wth
[20:02] <moto_unix> Hi guys
[20:02] <regedit> config_table efivars fw_platform_size fw_vendor runtime runtime-map systab vars
[20:02] <HoloIRCUser> Conormcgregor9: adduser is saying it can't lock /etc/passwd from within recovery
[20:02] <tgm4883> HoloIRCUser: you probably need to remount / rw
[20:02] <histo> regedit: you're kernel is booted in efi mode this is so odd. So the firmware update that fixes the issue is still a no go?
[20:02] <histo> brb
[20:02] <regedit> histo: the installer fails...
[20:03] <HoloIRCUser> tgm4883: yep, thanks
[20:03] <Jordan_U> regedit: When you tried to upgrade the boot firmware, was that via a program that did the flashing from the OS, or was it something that put the new boot firmware image in the EFI System Partition for the boot firmware to flash itself at next boot? (Or do you not know?)
[20:04] <regedit> Jordan_U: some of the guides/tutorials were more this way, some were more that way
[20:04] <regedit> i tried several of them in various combinations
[20:05] <regedit> no wait, actually
[20:05] <regedit> the guides were mostly USB stick based
[20:05] <regedit> only the lenovo supplied update seemed to be trying to do it by direct flashing the boot firmware
[20:06] <regedit> let me show you the guides i was following
[20:07] <regedit> http://superuser.com/a/813623
[20:08] <regedit> actually i think that one was pretty much it, with some variations thereof
[20:08] <lotuspsychje> regedit: sounds like an issue for the ##hardware guys
[20:09] <tersio> I installed wine in my ubuntu, i was reading this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1294119 how do I go to c:/windows/system32 in wine?
[20:10] <tgm4883> tersio: IIRC, you should be able to launch windows explorer
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> !wine | tersio
[20:10] <harishkrupo> tersio, there is a directory called .wine in home search there
[20:11] <tgm4883> tersio: you could also go to ~/.wine/drive_c
[20:11] <tersio> how do I run wine in my ubuntu?
[20:11] <tersio> like to get a windows desktop
[20:11] <tgm4883> tersio: you dont
[20:11] <tgm4883> tersio: that isn't what wine is
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> tersio: you want a virtual machine windows?
[20:12] <conorMcGregor9> its for running windows applications
[20:12] <harishkrupo> tersio, for that you need to install windows
[20:12] <tersio> I see
[20:12] <conorMcGregor9> dont know why that bot is even in here
[20:12] <tersio> because here it points to some windows style directories
[20:12] <tersio> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1294119
[20:12] <tgm4883> tersio: yes, and?
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> conorMcGregor9: what do you mean?
[20:13] <tersio> if I'm just executing a windows program through wine I won't have any of those dirs
[20:13] <conorMcGregor9> lotuspsychje, the ubottu bot that no one seems to read lol
[20:13] <lotuspsychje> conorMcGregor9: yeah its described fine indeed
[20:13] <tgm4883> tersio: when you installed wine, it also installed a windows explorer that would let you see a windows file structure
[20:14] <GitNick> Ok, so I tried to install something using apt-get, but then ran out of space, now I'm stuck, I can't continue. How can I undo this?
[20:14] <tgm4883> tersio: yes you would see that file structure if you were executing a windows program
[20:14] <lotuspsychje> tersio: maybe you can explain what you really want to do? wich windows program do you need?
[20:14] <tersio> how do I access that windows explorer?
[20:14] <harishkrupo> GitNick, remove that application
[20:14] <tgm4883> tersio: did you search unity for windows explorer?
[20:15] <sha1sum> I'm trying to wade through old and seemingly irrelevant search results... How do I simply switch the partition to boot from? I have all files copied and have changed the fstab, now not sure about the next step to get THAT parition to be the root partition
[20:15] <Jordan_U> regedit: Please pastebin the output of "find /sys/firmware/efi/".
[20:15] <tersio> I'm trying to play a wrf file, I found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1294119 so trying to do what it says there
[20:15] <GitNick> harishkrupo: I get an unmetdependencies error and no apt-get command will run
[20:15] <tgm4883> tersio: are you running unity?
[20:16] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: Do you have this new root partition mounted currently? If so, what is the mountpoint? If not, please mount it to /mnt/.
[20:16] <tersio> tgm4883: no
[20:16] <tgm4883> tersio: kde? xfce? help me out a little here
[20:16] <harishkrupo> GitNick, what about apt-get remove <package>
[20:16] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: I'm basically trying to switch two mountpoints that I accidentally reversed on installation: "/" and "/home"... I just simply rsync'd all files to both until I get the boot partition switched, so yeah they're both currently mounted but reversed
[20:17] <GitNick> harishkrupo: nope
[20:17] <tersio> oh you mean the ubuntu desktop? not sure, thought it was gnome? I'm on 14.04 default
[20:17] <sha1sum> (one is an SSD and one is a disk, so I obviously want the SSD as the root but didn't configure it that way)
[20:17] <conorMcGregor9> so unity
[20:17] <harishkrupo> GitNick, apt-get remove --purge <package>
[20:18] <tersio> yes I have the ubuntu file explorer but not a windows one
[20:18] <tgm4883> tersio: ok, did you bother searching for windows explorer or wine?
[20:18] <KowabungaDude^> Hello again
[20:18] <GitNick> harishkrupo: All commands result in "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)."
[20:18] <acz32> GitNick: it is telling you how to fix your problem. are you blind?
[20:18] <harishkrupo> GitNick, what about apt-get install -f
[20:18] <HoloIRCUser> After creating a new user and copying all files over, I'm no longer able to log in to my secondary user - I'm simply kicked back to login. This is an improvement - but how do I log in?
[20:18] <harishkrupo> acz32, no he is out of space
[20:19] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: so basically if I knew how to just tell the bootloader what the root partition was then I think I'd be fine because it's still using the disk as root instead of the SSD
[20:19] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: Have you done a lot since installing? If not, then the simplest and most reliable method would be to just re-install properly.
[20:19] <acz32> harishkrupo: that doesn't matter. it's telling him what to do
[20:19] <conorMcGregor9> HoloIRCUser, did it work before u copied your files over?
[20:19] <tersio> I have configure wine, uninstall wine, winetricks
[20:19] <harishkrupo> acz32, if he uses the command it will try to install but no space
[20:19] <HoloIRCUser> Sha1sum: grub2 menu.lst contains the grub instructions
[20:19] <GitNick> acz32: And what it tells me to do doesn't work (because I have no more space)
[20:19] <HoloIRCUser> conormcgregor9: yes
[20:20] <conorMcGregor9> must be some of the files in your home directory
[20:20] <acz32> GitNick: try creating enough free space to run the apt-get install -f
[20:20] <acz32> that should fix it
[20:20] <GitNick> acz32: (To answer your other question: No my sight is fine)
[20:20] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: Basically you want to follow this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot , but having your new root currently mounted as /home/ is a little awkward, and again a re-install would be more reliable and simpler.
[20:20] <conorMcGregor9> how did u copy them over? a cp -r?
[20:20] <tgm4883> tersio: can you run 'winefile' from the command line?
[20:20] <HoloIRCUser> conormcgregor9: mount -o bind
[20:20] <GitNick> acz32: Tried that, cant
[20:20] <acz32> acz32: or do sudo apt-get autoclean
[20:20] <harishkrupo> GitNick, what is the output of df
[20:20] <tersio> tgm4883: yep, opened something
[20:21] <tgm4883> tersio: a file explorer?
[20:21] <tersio> yes, there I see a c:
[20:21] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: I didn't change the boot parition's location because it was already right, so I'm wondering if I simply edit stuff under /etc/grub.d/ and see if I can switch the root partition and it doesn't work then I guess re-installationn is the fallback... ?
[20:21] <HoloIRCUser> Conormcgregor9: if it were really a file, wouldn't these behave identically?
[20:21] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: (and run update-grub obviously)
[20:22] <GitNick> harishkrupo: https://gist.github.com/NickClark/1aa355aec9f96d4fbb09
[20:22] <conorMcGregor9> well if it worked before u copied any files over
[20:22] <conorMcGregor9> it must be a file
[20:22] <HoloIRCUser> sha1sum: changes need to written to mbr or uefi, run grub-install
[20:22] <tgm4883> tersio: ok, so you should be able to follow that post now
[20:22] <harishkrupo> sha1sum, how did you even boot if the disk is mounted as / ?
[20:22] <sha1sum> HoloIRCUser: isn't that old though? Also menu.lst is grub not grub2
[20:22] <tersio> tgm4883: ok thanks
[20:22] <HoloIRCUser> conormcgregor9: but there's also something else, because two users with identical home directories have different behavior
[20:23] <lotuspsychje> tersio: i think you best convert the wrf file into .mp4 with a converter, then play with vlc
[20:23] <HoloIRCUser> sha1sum: system still boots using grub
[20:23] <sha1sum> harishkrupo: all the files are present on both the drives (I just copied all files from each to the other) until I get it working... Then I edited the fstab on what *should be* the root
[20:23] <harishkrupo> GitNick, do apt-get autoclean
[20:23] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: Do *not* edit anything in /etc/grub.d/.
[20:23] <harishkrupo> sha1sum, then edit the /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[20:24] <conorMcGregor9> what files are u copying, your own personal files?
[20:24] <conorMcGregor9> or hidden files in your home directory?
[20:24] <harishkrupo> sha1sum, point it to the right partition and then boot
[20:25] <harishkrupo> sha1sum after booting remove the boot directory from you home and run grub-install and update-grub2
[20:25] <harishkrupo> GitNick, it will clean some of the cached packages
[20:25] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: The guide that I linked you to will have you run update-grub within a chroot that's using your new root filesystem, so it will create a grub.cfg appropriate for your new configuration. You could also manually edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg once, then reboot and run "sudo update-grub" again once you're booted into the new configuration.
[20:26] <sha1sum> OK I appreciate everyone's help, I'm going to give this a try
[20:26] <TJ-> sha1sum: GRUB determines the root device based on the entries in '/etc/fstab' and specifically the UUID of the file-system. If you effectively swapped the file contents in those partitions then right now it sounds like your root partition in fstab points to the partition containing /home. If that is in fact the case simply swap the UUIDs around for those entries in fstab
[20:28] <GitNick> harishkrupo: Nothing. But I found a workaround (hopefully I didn't break something else) This whole problem was caused by an out of control devicemapper image. Finally figured out a way to clean it up.
[20:28] <harishkrupo> TJ-, grub does not determine the root device from fstab at boot it is passed as a parameter from grub.cfg
[20:28] <edoceo> I'm getting some dependency loop: policykit-1 depends on libpam-systemd; however: Package libpam-systemd:amd64 is not configured yet.
[20:29] <harishkrupo> GitNick, great :)
[20:29] <edoceo> I canno seem to apt-get install anything else now from these dependency problems, not sure how to resolve
[20:29] <sha1sum> TJ-: so right now /home/username/etc/fstab contains the *proper* configuration and /etc/fstab is the old configuration
[20:29] <TJ-> harishkrupo: You misunderstand. 'update-grub' reads fstab and writes the UUID of the root file-system into the entries in grub.cfg
[20:29] <sha1sum> Should I just replace any instance of the old UUID with the new one in grub.cfg?
[20:30] <regedit> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732478/
[20:30] <harishkrupo> TJ-, ok got it :P
[20:30] <Jordan_U> TJ-: No, grub-mkconfig uses grub-probe to determine the UUID of the filesystem currently mounted as '/', it doesn't read the /etc/fstab.
[20:30] <sha1sum> TJ-: or sorry, /home/etc/fstab
[20:30] <ste_> hello - would anyone be able to help me with an issue I'm having when vsync'd games are running in a window and alt-tabbing in this situation is causing a 2-3 second delay before switching? Other windows are incredibly slow to drag around in this situation also, and it appears to be related to ubuntu only
[20:31] <lotuspsychje> ste_: ubuntu version and graphics card chipset?
[20:31] <locksmith2> hiiiii
[20:31] <ste_> ubuntu 15.04 and graphics card is gtx 770.. I have the recommended priopietary drivers installed but it happens on other drivers too
[20:32] <sha1sum> actually I'm going to run the chroot route I think, this grub.cfg file is scary lol
[20:32] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: That would probably do it. Of course you should make a backup copy of the grub.cfg first, and once you are booted in the configuration you want re-run "sudo update-grub" to make sure that you have a proper grub.cfg, rather than just one that happened to work once.
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> ste_: did you have same issue on 14.04?
[20:32] <harishkrupo> sha1sum no just go to the line which starts with linux and then paste the correct uuid
[20:33] <ste_> I couldn't say.. but I don't have this issue in linux mint
[20:34] <histo> regedit: I'm out of ideas to try. Other than verifying the downloaded firmware update is correct
[20:34] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: well I also noticed that along with the UUID references there are drive and partition number indicators so I don't really want to mess around with all that because they're separate physical devices.
[20:34] <TJ-> sha1sum: As long as you can perform 1 successful *Recovery mode* boot (to root shell) by manually editing the "linux ..." root device entry from the grub boot-time editor to specify the correct root file-system you will then be able to correct the entries in fstab and use update-grub to fix the boot entries for subsequent boots
[20:35] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: Those are only used as hints to make searching faster, grub never depends on them and so their values aren't important. (At worst, boot will be ever so slightly slower).
[20:35] <regedit> histo: well it seems so http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/ideapad-u-series-laptops/ideapad-u410/downloads/DS033646
[20:36] <histo> regedit: be nice if they provided a checksum
[20:37] <lisbeth> hey so I am in ubuntu 14.04 installing it alongside windows 7
[20:37] <lisbeth> only I didn't like the partition sizes it recommended and want to partition myself
[20:37] <Jordan_U> regedit: Please file a bug report about this. It's clearly a boot firmware bug, but just like the Samsung bricking bug, we may want to try to avoid users hitting it if we can on our end.
[20:37] <lisbeth> I a in gparted and I changed the ntfs partition down to 989617 mb
[20:37] <lisbeth> *I am
[20:37] <histo> Jordan_U: I thihnk it's more of a hardware bug than a bug with ubuntu or grub
[20:37] <lisbeth> and I am wondering if this operation will erase the ntfs partition?
[20:37] <petrvs> lisbeth: no, but it's not 100% guaranteed safe
[20:38] <petrvs> lisbeth: more like 90%
[20:38] <histo> Jordan_U: the manufacturer has released a fix for his problem. But he can't install it also
[20:38] <lisbeth> what can happen in the 10%
[20:38] <regedit> Jordan_U: how so? what is the ubuntu-end of the bug here
[20:38] <petrvs> lisbeth: loss of data
[20:38] <tgm4883> lisbeth: personally I'd resize the ntfs partition from inside windows
[20:38] <Jordan_U> histo: It's definitely a hardware bug, but so is the samsung bricking bug I mentioned. There is now code in the linux kernel to prevent hitting that bug, as there should be.
[20:38] <petrvs> there's no guarantee from any OS
[20:38] <petrvs> you need to backup data you care about before resizing a partition
[20:39] <tgm4883> petrvs: yes, that is true.
[20:39] <histo> Jordan_U: windows hit the bug not linux btw
[20:39] <petrvs> or embrace the possibility of starting from scratch :)
[20:39] <Jordan_U> regedit: What event initially triggered the bug, if that was easily identifiable?
[20:39] <histo> lisbeth: anytime you are resizing partitions/filesystems you really should backup your essential data first.
[20:40] <lisbeth> What if I said I am 100% sure that the disc is not filled past the point that I am resizing it to?
[20:40] <histo> Jordan_U: what i'm wondering is why fwsetup won't work for him
[20:40] <petrvs> lisbeth: that's not really the issue, although it's obviously another concern
[20:40] <charlytavu> Hi everybody, can someone tell me if there is a possibility to add a script at boot time on a live USB ?
[20:40] <lisbeth> also I am trying to access the files from the live cd so I can back them up and it is not letting me because it says I don't have permission
[20:40] <petrvs> charlytavu: anything is possible in software
[20:40] <lisbeth> I was under the impression that I was root when using a live disc
[20:40] <petrvs> lisbeth: you are
[20:40] <petrvs> lisbeth: what command are you using?
[20:40] <histo> lisbeth: what don't you stop. Mount the disk read only check how much free space is available and see
[20:41] <regedit> Jordan_U: unfortunately i wasnt expecting this issue (duh) so i dndt pay attention as to when exactly it started happening. all I know is that before installing the 2 OSs i could access BIOS, and after they were installed i couldnt anymore
[20:41] <histo> charlytavu: live usb of what? the ubuntu installer?
[20:41] <regedit> Jordan_U: and there was a new boot menu option "ubuntu" that didnt used to be there
[20:41] <charlytavu> petrvs, without rebuilding source iso, is it possible ? i've looked at syslinux options but found nothing :/
[20:41] <regedit> Jordan_U: and the other boot menu option "setup" disappeared
[20:42] <Jordan_U> charlytavu: What is your end goal?
[20:42] <lisbeth> nevermind I am installing ubutnu on a usb
[20:43] <petrvs> charlytavu: sure, the ease with which you can accomplish it depends on the image
[20:43] <histo> regedit: can you get to the grub menu?
[20:43] <charlytavu> Jordan_U, histo I'm just trying to execute a script at boot time without rebuilding the iso :)
[20:43] <Jordan_U> regedit: Then that sounds like it's at leat possible that installing Ubuntu triggered the bug in your firmware.
[20:43] <regedit> i probably should have mentioned this earlier; in the list of devices to boot from (upon power on boot menu) the top one is simply "ubuntu". further down the list is the actual drive that has the 2 OSs, and if boot to it i get straight windows (not grub)
[20:43] <Jordan_U> charlytavu: That's not an end goal. What does the script do? What are you actually trying to accomplish?
[20:43] <histo> charlytavu: what does the script do?
[20:43] <charlytavu> changing keymaps, mounting filesystems, etc.. basic configuration
[20:44] <regedit> histo: yep no prob
[20:44] <histo> regedit: So what happens on the grub command line when you type fwsetup
[20:44] <regedit> histo: no such command error
[20:44] <regedit> histo: even after insmod efifwsetup
[20:44] <sha1sum> mmmmk so chrooting into the partition with the proper fstab and running "grub-install" produced a "could not find EFI directory". update-grub2 worked, however, but the system still boots with the wrong partition mount points
[20:45] <lisbeth> so I am installing it in gparted on a usb and It is not showing me the partitions for /dev/sdb
[20:45] <charlytavu> histo, Jordan_U changing keymaps, mounting filesystems, etc.. basic configuration
[20:45] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: You need to mount your EFI System Partition to /boot/efi/ within the chroot.
[20:45] <sha1sum> ahhhh that makes so much sense.
[20:45] <sha1sum> lol
[20:45] <histo> regedit: what version of grub are you running?
[20:46] <sha1sum> OK well it's almost 5:00 here so I'll act like you didn't tell me that until the morning :P
[20:46] <regedit> an important thing i'm trying to figure out is: If I delete the GPT partition and install a legacy msdos/MBR windows installation, will access to bios be restored?
[20:46] <regedit> histo: can i check from within ubuntu?
[20:46] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: can I mount it before chrooting or no?
[20:46] <sha1sum> or does it matter?
[20:46] <Jordan_U> regedit: Please run "sudo modprobe -r efivars && umount /sys/firmware/efi/efivars && modprobe -r efivarfs && modprobe efivarfs && mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars" (as per https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Inconsistency_between_efivarfs_and_sysfs-efivars ) and pastebin the output of "find /sys/firmware/efi/" again.
[20:47] <Johnny_Linux> D`oh!
[20:47] <Jordan_U> sha1sum: It doesn't matter when it's mounted, as long as it's mounted before you run grub-install.
[20:48] <sha1sum> Jordan_U: well I'm going to mount a barstool and saddle up to a brew next. I appreciate all of your help!
[20:48] <sha1sum> That goes for everyone else also :)
[20:48] <histo> regedit: dpkg -l | grep grub
[20:48] <regedit> Jordan_U: the first command in that series emits "modprobe: FATAL: Module efivars is builtin."
[20:48] <histo> regedit: disregard the fwsetup patch has been in there since ubuntu 12.04
[20:49] <regedit> histo: ok, yes this is kubuntu 15.04
[20:49] <Jordan_U> regedit: OK, never mind that then :) It's probably safe to assume that no variables would be visible via efivarfs either.
[20:50] <regedit> Jordan_U / histo: would you know about ^ (re. "important thing i'm trying to figure out")
[20:51] <histo> regedit: sudo efibootmgr | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:51] <regedit> histo: that command rings a bell... i've done it before, leme check again
[20:52] <macksting> I'm trying to run a visualization that's got native builds for Mac 10.7 and WinXP. OpenGL3. Am I better off using Wine, or using a Macintosh emulator?
[20:52] <Jordan_U> regedit: My guess would be no, but it can't hurt to try. You shouldn't need a full BIOS Based Windows installation to try, simply having grub-pc on an msdos labeled drive with a single partition containing a boot flag would probably be enough.
[20:52] <regedit> histo: http://termbin.com/9ag3
[20:53] <Jordan_U> regedit: If you file a bug report it's also a good way to get the attention of people who might be familiar with these types of problems, and it will also serve as a place for others having this problem to find information when google searching.
[20:53] <regedit> Jordan_U: hm ok
[20:54] <regedit> Jordan_U: being rather new to a lot of the concepts issues here, would we be able to write the bug description jointly so you can help me formulate the right & succinct details?
[20:54] <freeone3000> After switching users, it seems like Chrome no longer recognizes my keyboard. As is obvious, other applications seem to work fine. What could cause this?
[20:55] <Jordan_U> regedit: Yes.
[20:55] <regedit> Jordan_U: how can we do this, something like collabedit.com/new ?
[20:55] <Jordan_U> regedit: Sure.
[20:55] <regedit> Jordan_U: ok i'll PM you the link...
[20:56] <histo> macksting: I'd try in wine first if all else fails you can get a vm running
[20:56] <freeone3000> Sorry. It appears GNOME applications no longer recognize my keyboard. Opera, Firefox, Chrome, gcalc were tested. Terminal is fine, KDE applications are fine.
[20:56] <macksting> Is there a way to get a VM for this without spending money or violating the law?
[21:00] <Jordan_U> macksting: Something written for XP and openGL has a fair chance of working in wine, perfectly legally. Zero chance of getting a MacOS binary running without OSX, and no legal way to run Windows in a VM without paying for it.
[21:01] <macksting> Jordan_U: Pity. Seems Wine didn't cut it. There's no Macintosh equivalent?
[21:03] <freeone3000> (Please note that Windows VM licenses are not the same as Windows bare metal licenses - certain licenses, such as "Windows Home", cannot be virtualized legally.)
[21:04] <macksting> Noted.
[21:06] <Stevenmcqueeven> hello
[21:06] <Jordan_U> macksting: Have you checked the wine appdb? Have you tried asking about your problem (including relevant output and error messages) in #winehq?
[21:07] <macksting> Jordan_U: Haven't yet. Figured I'd explore what options are available before I commit to problem-solving.
[21:08] <HoloPed> is there a simple guide to use systemd ?
[21:08] <HoloPed> I'm totaly lost
[21:09] <HoloPed> trying to run a script on startup has never been so complex
[21:10] <jootor> I am getting this message when I want to open a partition i created, I was able to enter the partition in the past but now i get this message:'' could not display all the contents found.000':input/output error ''
[21:13] <TJ-> regedit: Have you tried the Lenovo bootable USB UEFI diagnostics toolkit?
[21:13] <Jordan_U> jooncheol: Please pastebin the output of "mount".
[21:14] <macksting> Jordan_U: Though no, this program isn't on the appdb.
[21:15] <Stevenmcqueeven> I have a noob question that you guys probably hate
[21:15] <Stevenmcqueeven> what are some cool things I can do in linux that a beginner can do
[21:18] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Do you mind helping write a bug report description for regedit?
[21:18] <OerHeks> Stevenmcqueeven, i started with cronjobs and writing a conky script, 1001 examples http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&page=2312
[21:19] <Stevenmcqueeven> what do conky scripts do?
[21:19] <histo> Stevenmcqueeven: cool how?
[21:19] <regedit> TJ-: no, that sounds very interesting, how do you find all these things! :)
[21:19] <histo> !manual | Stevenmcqueeven
[21:19] <regedit> TJ-: can i PM you a link to a bug me and Jordan_U are writing
[21:20] <TJ-> regedit: see http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds030861
[21:21] <histo> Don't even see his model supported there
[21:21] <Jordan_U> Stevenmcqueeven: run "bb".
[21:21] <Jordan_U> !info bb | Stevenmcqueeven
[21:22] <ImJune> ha ubuntu 15.04 found my card and installed drivers perfectly
[21:22] <regedit> TJ-: interesting that IdeaPad is not listed there
[21:22] <ImJune> 14.04 needs to dissappear
[21:22] <Stevenmcqueeven> histo just things I couldn't quite do with windows or to make things easier for me
[21:23] <histo> Stevenmcqueeven: learn about bash and command line interface.
[21:24] <histo> Stevenmcqueeven: that manual page I sent you has a section on the terminal etc...
[21:24] <Stevenmcqueeven> Awesome thanks I'll take a look
[21:24] <histo> Stevenmcqueeven: it should also answer your questions in the learning more section
[21:25] <acz32> is there any way to have okular not show page thumbnails when i open a pdf?
[21:25] <JohnDoe1972> hey guys i have the iso disk image on usb flash stick . do i need to extracxt it first for it to boot from flash ?
[21:25] <ImJune> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install skype
[21:26] <ImJune> this is fouled up
[21:26] <kingeR> Hi, I am looking at these VPS with ubuntu, what kind of access do i get there, how does it look like?
[21:26] <histo> JohnDoe1972: you don't just copy the iso to the thumb drive to boot it. YOu need to write it's contents to the drive
[21:27] <histo> JohnDoe1972: what is the iso of and what operating system are you currently using?
[21:27] <rypervenche> kingeR: If you purchase a VPS with Ubuntu on it, you will likely get root access to the command line.
[21:27] <petrvs> JohnDoe1972: try using http://unetbootin.sf.net/
[21:27] <JohnDoe1972> 14.4 kylie 64 bit
[21:27] <histo> kingeR: full access to the box typically
[21:28] <kingeR> ok, and how will upload stuff, cause i see there is no cpanel for it
[21:28] <Jordan_U> JohnDoe1972: You have two primary options. The most commonly done is to use Ubuntu startup disk creator or Unetbootin, which will extract the iso for you. If for some reason you really don't want the iso extracted, you can install grub to the USB drive and use it to loop boot the iso: http://www.supergrubdisk.org/wiki/Loopback.cfg#How_do_you_use_a_loopback.cfg_to_boot_an_iso.3F
[21:28] <histo> kingeR: manage it using ssh or their provided inteface
[21:28] <histo> !usb | JohnDoe1972
[21:29] <kingeR> histo, I was never much of command line guy, is that too hard to learn. I mean, I know quite a lot stuff on command line, but not it
[21:29] <JohnDoe1972> :/ ok info overload but thx guys
[21:30] <Jordan_U> HoloPed: You can still add a script to the end of /etc/rc.local if you really just want it to run at boot.
[21:30] <histo> kingeR: Why do you want a VPS?
[21:30] <rypervenche> kingeR: If you want something with cPanel, you will need to purchase a VPS with cPanel installed on it. cPanel is not free, so you will likely have to pay extra for the license fee. You can learn how to use SFTP to upload and download files on a server without cPanel.
[21:31] <kingeR> histo: I have bih website, with over 20k articles, and over 1gb of files. rypervenche: I know that, I just asked if it is hard :D
[21:32] <histo> kingeR: I would get a vps that is already setup for hosting if you are not familar with setting it up yourself. Unless you want to learn.
[21:32] <rypervenche> kingeR: "hard" is subjective. I don't think it is hard at all. You just need to learn how to do it.
[21:32] <Jordan_U> HoloPed: If you want to make a proper systemd service file, http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-3.html is a good guide.
[21:33] <rypervenche> kingeR: Personally I would never recommend using anything like cPanel. Minimal is usually better in my experience. Only what you need and nothing else. But it all depends on what your needs are and what you are willing to learn and forgo.
[21:33] <kingeR> histo: I want to learn, that's why I am buying it one month earlier then i need it.
[21:33] <regedit> TJ-: sent you the link in PM
[21:33] <macksting> Jordan_U: So yeah, I just looked the matter up, and while it seems there's efforts at a Wine-like Mac environment called Darling, it sounds like there's a lot of work to be done. Anything else seems to require a copy of the OS. I'll go ask in #winehq, since this is firmly a Wine problem at this juncture.
[21:33] <macksting> Jordan_U and histo: Thanks for helping where you could.
[21:33] <Jordan_U> macksting: You're welcome.
[21:33] <TJ-> regedit: sorry, been busy. I've discovered something that might indicate a way to flash at boot-time.
[21:33] <mcphail> kingeR: if you want to upload/download using ssh/sftp, you can do it directly from the ubuntu GUI. Really couldn't be simpler
[21:34] <regedit> TJ-: no apology necessary man :) sounds interesting! please do share
[21:34] <kingeR> rypervenche: I had my fear share with cpanel, f***ing hate it. whenever there is problem have to wait for three days for someone from tech support
[21:34] <histo> kingeR: digital ocean has some great setup tutorials. BUt you will need to familiarize yourself with the command line at some point.
[21:34] <TJ-> regedit: Reading some Phoenix SCT documentation for engineers... one phrase jumps out at me: "Phoenix SCT allows Capsule to be stored in the disk GPT partition, rather than in flash RAM, for native restart support."
[21:34] <kingeR> mcphail: thank you, i wasn't sure. I only used ssh for communication from my phone to laptop
[21:35] <TJ-> regedit: source (see page 2, "Non-Volatile Capsule"): http://www.embedded-tools.de/sites/default/files/Phoenix_SecureCore-Mobile.pdf
[21:35] <mcphail> kingeR: it _is_ worth learning some command line stuff, though. Makes life very simple indeed when you get the hang of it
[21:36] <regedit> TJ-: ok so, how would i do that?
[21:37] <Hasov> Hello
[21:37] <Hasov> Anyone from PL?
[21:37] <petrvs> /msg alis list *ubunt*pl
[21:38] <varenik> hi
[21:38] <petrvs> hi
[21:38] <TJ-> regedit: I'm guessing the .cap file is put in the root of the ESP file-system, probably with a special name which I'm trying to discover now. I'm reverse-engineering the .CAP image we have
[21:39] <TJ-> regedit: here's the API, "UpdateCapsule()" in particular is interesting
[21:39] <KowabungaDude^> Need help with rndis networking in Ubuntu 14.04: I have two networking USB rndis devices. When I connect Device1 to the linux laptop an interface eth3 get's created and the device servers dhcp to the laptop. If I unplug Device1 and plug Device2 the same behaviour is observed. If I try to plug both devices, the last one to be connected the interface gets named "rename22", it's down and has no...
[21:39] <KowabungaDude^> ...ip. If I modify /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (http://www.pastebin.ca/3030308) to add another rule similar to the last one it works the first time connected but not afterwards
[21:39] <TJ-> regedit: see http://wiki.phoenix.com/wiki/index.php/EFI_RUNTIME_SERVICES
[21:40] <regedit> TJ-: holy moly they have a wiki for this stuff! now that's what i'm talking about
[21:41] <ImJune> does anyone know of some issues with skype launching on ubuntu 15.04
[21:41] <varenik> cool! What it is the chat?
[21:42] <Hasov> Hello who can help me?
[21:42] <TJ-> regedit: see http://wiki.phoenix.com/wiki/index.php/Boot_Mode
[21:42] <acz32> ImJune: no but check out some superior alternatives: firefox hello or utox
[21:42] <JohnDoe1972> guys could i just mount the iso using deamon lite then copy or extract the files to usb ?
[21:43] <Bashing-om> _KaszpiR_: IF the help is ubuntu related, maybe, ask and see ?
[21:43] <histo> JohnDoe1972: What operating system are you running?
[21:43] <JohnDoe1972> 7
[21:43] <ImJune> advertise much
[21:43] <histo> JohnDoe1972: use win32 disk imager to write the iso to your usb drive
[21:43] <JohnDoe1972> on desktop
[21:43] <ImJune> because I don't have work contacts on skype or anything
[21:43] <JohnDoe1972> whats wrong with demon line ?
[21:43] <histo> JohnDoe1972: http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[21:43] <acz32> ImJune: you consider my recommendation an advertisement? ok...
[21:43] <histo> JohnDoe1972: demon line?
[21:44] <acz32> good luck with your microsoft software issue
[21:44] <JohnDoe1972> k thx histo but .. deaone lite
[21:44] <histo> JohnDoe1972: I have no idea what deaone lite is
[21:44] <JohnDoe1972> daemon tools lite
[21:44] <ImJune> you are a moron I know that much
[21:44] <ImJune> like I am trying to install skype for my personal pleasure
[21:45] <TJ-> regedit: Mmmmm! http://wiki.phoenix.com/wiki/index.php/Crisis_Recovery
[21:45] <Jordan_U> ImJune: Please treat people in this channel with respoect.
[21:45] <JohnDoe1972> :)
[21:45] <Hasov> Who can help me with Ubuntu Server 14.04.2 LTS?
[21:45] <histo> ImJune: Are you experiencing a problem with skype?
[21:45] <ImJune> yeah
[21:46] <ImJune> when I sign in it doesn't proceed
[21:46] <ImJune> at all
[21:46] <ImJune> something is broken
[21:46] <Hasov> Hello :v
[21:46] <ubuntu233> Hasov: Share the issue with the channel for help.
[21:46] <ImJune> I will have to skype my coworkers from my phone
[21:46] <histo> ImJune: Perhaps you should have started there. How did you install skype?
[21:46] <ImJune> via the command line
[21:46] <ImJune> sudo apt-get install skype
[21:46] <acz32> ImJune: you're the moron for getting so offended by a recommendation
[21:47] <Hasov> I need a first guide for newbies, i migrated from EL and i want to learn how to use Ubuntu :c
[21:47] <ImJune> you are on ignore
[21:47] <Bashing-om> Hasov: State your issue for the channel .
[21:47] <histo> JohnDoe1972: just use win32 disk imager to write the iso the the drive. It will write the filesystem and everything there. All data on the drive you are writing to will be lost so backup anything before hand.
[21:47] <Hasov> I know how to use apt-get etc.
[21:47] <KowabungaDude^> Anyone who cold help me with rndis networking in Ubuntu 14.04? I have two networking USB rndis devices. When I connect Device1 to the linux laptop an interface eth3 get's created and the device servers dhcp to the laptop. If I unplug Device1 and plug Device2 the same behaviour is observed. If I try to plug both devices, the last one to be connected the interface gets named "rename22", it's...
[21:47] <JohnDoe1972> !win32diskimager
[21:47] <KowabungaDude^> ...down and has no ip. If I modify /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (http://www.pastebin.ca/3030308) to add another rule similar to the last one it works the first time connected but not afterwards
[21:48] <JohnDoe1972> !win32 disk imager
[21:48] <regedit> TJ-: so it probably keeps recovering the old bios huh?
[21:48] <KowabungaDude^> I don't know much about USB or what to look for
[21:48] <JohnDoe1972> histo, link ?
[21:48] <histo> JohnDoe1972: http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[21:49] <JohnDoe1972> also will the fact that im on 64 bit upset the 32bit install of my iso >?
[21:49] <kingeR> mcphail: I agree. I am PHP developer, good at Java, medium at C and Assembly... but never got myself around cmmand line
[21:49] <Jordan_U> KowabungaDude^: What do you mean by "rndis"?
[21:49] <histo> Jordan_U: no, but is there a reaosn you aren't using a 64bit iso?
[21:50] <histo> JohnDoe1972: ^^^
[21:50] <histo> Jordan_U: sorry
[21:50] <TJ-> regedit: I think we have a procedure! https://www.bios-mods.com/forum/Thread-FLASHING-LAPTOP-DELL-INSPIRON-5323-13Z?pid=55511#pid55511
[21:50] <histo> JohnDoe1972: It won't affect it but why not use the 64bit iso?
[21:51] <histo> s/affect/effect/
[21:51] <JohnDoe1972> its going onto a 32bit laptop
[21:51] <histo> JohnDoe1972: ahh you'll be fine then.
[21:51] <TJ-> regedit: wimbios has a/the crisis tool: https://www.bios-mods.com/bios-recovery/phoenix-bios-recovery/
[21:51] <tgm4883> JohnDoe1972: geez, that must be an old laptop
[21:51] <JohnDoe1972> win32 bit disk manager dosnet install on 64 bit ! :(
[21:52] <KowabungaDude^> Jordan_U: RNDIS is the USB driver developed by Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNDIS
[21:52] <histo> JohnDoe1972: it's a standalone program from what I remember
[21:52] <JohnDoe1972> tgm4883, yess sir
[21:52] <mcphail> kingeR: worth having a trawl through the debian-administration.org archives. Not quite Ubuntu, (and a bit out of date), but a well-written resource. The sit owner works at Bytemark Hosting if you're looking for a VPS provider
[21:52] <Trudko> hi guys I've installed elementary os(based on 14.04 ubuntu) along side with windows but I cant load Windows anymore because of 0xc000000098 error. I ve tried boot-repair but it didnt help this is info from boot repair http://paste2.org/dp1FPLDb
[21:52] <tgm4883> !elementary
[21:53] <histo> JohnDoe1972: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/download
[21:53] <kingeR> mcphail: I am reseller myself, and i have decent prices, so I will buy it at my own website
[21:54] <mcphail> kingeR: fair enough :) - I have no connection or conflict of interest but know Steve is very helpful
[21:54] <regedit> TJ-: sounds exciting! reading...
[21:54] <TJ-> regedit: I'm checking the 'phlash' tools now to see if the filename they look for is "BIOS.cap" or something else
[21:55] <regedit> TJ-: wait, this is pretty much this solution http://superuser.com/a/813623
[21:55] <regedit> TJ-: with a tiny bit of new variation to try
[21:55] <JohnDoe1972> ive got it with deamon tools lite
[21:55] <regedit> TJ-: and maybe we just need to find the right file name
[21:56] <Trudko> tgm4883: well this is universal problem
[21:56] <histo> JohnDoe1972: you've got what?
[21:57] <Jordan_U> Trudko: This channel only supports Ubuntu, period.
[21:57] <kingeR> mcphail: thank you for that. even i didn't start this to earn, just to save money on my own projects :D
[21:57] <TJ-> regedit: That tool I linked you to, I think that is only legacy BIOS from examining it. We need to find a more recent version that support UEFI
[21:58] <Trudko> ...
[21:59] <regedit> TJ-: oh... is it the same as the one posted on the superuser (mediafire download) link? ^
[21:59] <victor-> is it possible that apparmor is preventing a www-data user to read a directory called 'etc' ?
[21:59] <stevendale> Hey I have a question
[21:59] <ubuntu233> Trudko: That is a bad install, look up uefi, fix windows remove and elementary. I would install ubuntu as in this specific area support is great.
[21:59] <nando293921> ...?
[22:00] <JohnDoe1972> ok guys why is a usb stick being recognised on a 32 bit laptop, and a 64 bit desktop but not on a different 32bit laptop ?
[22:00] <Trudko> ubuntu233: how does removing elementary help me ?
[22:00] <ubuntu233> Trudko: sorry fix winds and remove elementary was the corrrect syntax
[22:00] <stevendale> Does Ubuntu default to using the Ethernet connection even if there’s a Wi-Fi connection, or does it default to the Wi-Fi connection even when there’s an Ethernet connection?
[22:00] <TJ-> regedit: It's worth installing that tool onto a USB and following the boot instructions to see if 1) it'll boot to the flasher and 2) the flasher can recognise how to talk to the host (it would report the discovered FLASH chip types)
[22:01] <TJ-> regedit: if that works then it's worth pursuing, if not, you don't waste time on it
[22:01] <mcphail> stevendale: defaults to a wire if it is plugged in
[22:01] <stevendale> mcphail: Thanks, :) I’ll be going now
[22:01] <ubuntu233> Trudko: It is a bad install, not worth fixing, that is a msdos install ona uefi setup.
[22:03] <ubuntu233> Trudko: As far as I can tell, however, none of this is support, just a comment.
[22:03] <regedit> TJ-: sure i'll try that one again why not
[22:03] <Johnny_Linux> GiterDooooooone!
[22:03] <Jordan_U> regedit: When you do get to filing a bug report, do so by running "ubuntu-bug grub-efi-amd64".
[22:03] <regedit> TJ-: i tried loading the capsule into some "andy" or other Bios-Mods.com tool, it complained that the file was incorrect size or something...
[22:04] <regedit> Jordan_U: ok cool, though i'd really love to hear TJ-'s input on it first
[22:05] <histo> JohnDoe1972: What do you mean recognized? Like when you plug it in? or are you trying to boot to it on each machine?
[22:05] <regedit> EriC^^: heya, you there?
[22:06] <JohnDoe1972> histo when i tryed to acces the usb on the laptop i wish to install it , it says it need s to be formatted ! however on other pc's it can be opened without difficulty
[22:07] <gambl0re> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. how do i fix this?
[22:07] <JohnDoe1972> when i try to boot the laptop from usb it just loads windows even though i have the usb key at hte top of the boot order
[22:08] <JohnDoe1972> what file system should be on the usb ?
[22:08] <Trudko> ubuntu233: nvm thanks for your time. I think I look around or just get windows repair drive somehow
[22:08] <JohnDoe1972> fat32 or exfat ?
[22:08] <histo> JohnDoe1972: how'd you put the files there?
[22:08] <ubuntu233> gambl0re: The channel likes pastebinned info, show it all with the commands
[22:08] <histo> JohnDoe1972: I told you your method wouldn't work please use the link I provided you.
[22:08] <histo> JohnDoe1972: http://www.linuxliveusb.com/en/download
[22:08] <JohnDoe1972> i mounted the iso then opened a folder to view files,. then copied them to usb
[22:09] <ubuntu233> !pastebin | gambl0re
[22:09] <histo> JohnDoe1972: that won't work use the link I just gave you.
[22:09] <JohnDoe1972> k
[22:10] <TJ-> regedit: Got it! Found the instructions for how to configure a UEFI ESP in order to flash an update! see https://github.com/antonizoon/archivis.me/wiki/Phoenix-UEFI-BIOS-Crisis-Recovery
[22:11] <Jordan_U> TJ-: regedit: I'm leaving for the day, but when you do file a bug report please subscribe me to it (JordanU on launchpad.net).
[22:11] <regedit> TJ-: you are impossibly tenacious and resourceful
[22:11] <ubuntu233> Trudko: Looks like W8, it has built in reloads of the OS with the data saved or a fresh install.
[22:11] <regedit> Jordan_U: will do, thanks muchly for the help!
[22:11] <TJ-> regedit: UEFI looks on boot media for a script to run, rather like MS-DOS used to look for autoexec.bat. In this case for UEFI the standard mandates a file named startup.nsh instead. In that (text) file you put one line that calls the firmware's flashing EFI module with the path to the new firmware image
[22:11] <Jordan_U> regedit: You're welcome :)
[22:12] <jonubuntu> Tried installing Ubuntu with a usb drive yesterday, but it kept putting the boot stuff on the thumb drive instead of the server HD. Anyone know how to work around this? Maybe I should use a different USB mount software?
[22:13] <regedit> TJ-: ok hang on so, what are the actual steps to take here please?
[22:13] <gambl0re> this is the error message https://gist.github.com/crazyboy867/6cf65f215191760864d4
[22:13] <jonubuntu> was using universal usb installer
[22:13] <gambl0re> pplease help guys thanks
[22:13] <Jordan_U> TJ-: Which reminds me, if that fails we may be able to load UEFI shell from grub and do interesting things from there.
[22:13] <gambl0re> what is this broken packages they are talking about?
[22:14] <JohnDoe1972> hiso whats persistance ? is it like a cache limit ?
[22:14] <ubuntu233> jonubuntu: It must ask where grub goes or have an area this is chosen, you can easily put grub where you want it after an install.
[22:15] <k1l> gambl0re: any PPAs involved? or other packages manually installed?
[22:15] <TJ-> regedit: OK, I got over-excited there! The key files may not be built-in modules, and may not be publicly available (easily) but I'm digging. See the Phoenix documentation on their ShellFlash: http://www.aures-support.fr/DATA/drivers/YUNO-%20Driver/ShellFlash_SCT_UG_v1.5.29.pdf?dl=0
[22:15] <TJ-> regedit: For now I suggest you just collect and save all these URLs and save the pages locally for reference :)
[22:15] <jonubuntu> @ubuntu233 During the final part where it does the grub install do I say "No"? Will it let me choose the drive then? The text says it uses the first drive by default.
[22:15] <DAnCoor> May I ask... I just upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04 and noticed I haven't one single row in /var/log/syslog ever since... anyone know if log has been discontinued?
[22:15] <gambl0re> i installed many thins
[22:15] <gambl0re> npm, nodejs, ember-cli
[22:16] <jonubuntu> I've never moved the grub install location before
[22:16] <k1l> gambl0re: try to run a "sudo apt-get update &&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:16] <regedit> TJ-: where can i get this shellflash utility?
[22:16] <gambl0re> ok
[22:16] <k1l> gambl0re: so that is all 3rd party stuff?
[22:16] <TJ-> regedit: OK, found public files for you: ftp://ftp.icg.eu/Drivers/BeatlePOS/D2550/BiosTool/Phoenix/EFI_Shell/Release/v1.5.66.0/
[22:16] <gambl0re> yea
[22:16] <TJ-> regedit: We might have everything you need now
[22:17] <TJ-> regedit: I need coffee... be back soon
[22:17] <k1l> gambl0re: well, than it might be that its just rubbish put together from the guy who did that 3rd party packages.
[22:17] <kostkon> DAnCoor, obviously it hasn't
[22:17] <ubuntu233> jonubuntu: Use tab tab to complete nicks, I don't know what download you're using, however any install has this option, so yes sounds like you follow the text.
[22:17] <gambl0re> it worked before...
[22:18] <gambl0re> i installed nodejs and npm using apt-get
[22:18] <gambl0re> then i uninstalled apt-get and then nodejs
[22:18] <regedit> TJ-: enjoy! le'me know when you're back what happens next, i got the files
[22:18] <gambl0re> then i was able to reinstall nodejs but not npm
[22:18] <drewx0r> DAnCoor, this is the only relevant thing i could find
[22:18] <drewx0r> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2278206
[22:18] <k1l> uninstalled apt-get?
[22:18] <JohnDoe1972> hey guys can someone explain the linux live usb creator step 3 : Persistance ?
[22:18] <gambl0re> uninstalled npm and nodejs
[22:18] <gambl0re> using aptget
[22:19] <gambl0re> its gonna take 6 hours to for dist-upgrade?
[22:19] <DAnCoor> drewx0r: thank you, well... need to search why it's gone then... :-)
[22:19] <k1l> gambl0re: and npm is from a 3rd party manual install?
[22:19] <k1l> gambl0re: well, run the dist-upgrade first. that will bring you all the needed updates
[22:19] <gambl0re> you could have told me that dist-upgrade is gonna take 6 hours
[22:20] <gambl0re> i already ran the apt-get update
[22:20] <k1l> gambl0re: i could not have known, that you dont have all the recent updates installed!!
[22:20] <jonubuntu> @ubuntu233 Thanks! I found the procedure to move grub too. Looks pretty easy; If that doesn't work I'll try a new install. Thanks again
[22:20] <gambl0re> you could have cautioned me
[22:20] <gambl0re> atleast
[22:20] <k1l> gambl0re: apt-get update doesnt install udates. it just gets the list with new packages
[22:20] <gambl0re> could i just cancel whatever its doing now and do it another time?
[22:20] <ubuntu233> JohnDoe1972: It is a extra file syatem to save changes in the OS.
[22:21] <k1l> gambl0re: sorry but that is server-basics.
[22:21] <k1l> gambl0re: installing the updates is mandatory.
[22:21] <k1l> !apt-get | gambl0re
[22:21] <Ben64> theres no way it should take 6 hours though
[22:21] <JohnDoe1972> ubuntu233, will the rest of the usb be avail to stor upon as the persistance file is only 4gb in size
[22:21] <k1l> read yourself in the basics in the meantime
[22:21] <gambl0re> can i cancel the update?
[22:22] <gambl0re> without causing any damage?
[22:22] <k1l> gambl0re: you need the updates
[22:22] <k1l> do it now
[22:22] <gambl0re> ill do it later on.
[22:22] <ubuntu233> jonubuntu: Cool, you don;t need to move it, but just get a terminal in the server and run sudo grub-install /dev/sdX X is the HD.
[22:22] <k1l> gambl0re: not having the recent updates can block installation of new software.
[22:23] <Maca> hola?
[22:24] <Maca> D:
[22:24] <Maca> necesito ayuda?
[22:24] <ubuntu233> JohnDoe1972: You can actually make a casper-rw partition, and have a persistance as big as you want. But live has it limitations, adding casper in this context I would not know. Not sure really what your question entails.
[22:24] <k1l> !ar | Maca
[22:24] <Ben64> !es | Maca
[22:24] <Ben64> oops
[22:25] <JohnDoe1972> ubuntu233, well , what i mean is that when i boot into ubuntu from 64gb usb wil the remaining 60 gb be asccessable to me to write to ?
[22:26] <Maca> hello?????
[22:27] <JohnDoe1972> hello
[22:27] <masharp_> Hallo!
[22:27] <Maca> español?
[22:27] <TJ-> regedit: I'm creating a USB image for you to try, give me 10 minutes
[22:27] <ubuntu233> JohnDoe1972: Ah, write to, wide question is all. You can have the usb iso on a small partition and have the rest partitioned and openable from the live yes.
[22:27] <k1l> Maca: this channel is english only. see the bots messages for other languages
[22:27] <Bashing-om> DAnCoor: 15.04 uses the init system systes, and logging is a function of sais 'systemd'. What returns from terminal command ' journalctl ' ?
[22:28] <JohnDoe1972> the persistance file is just for changes to the os correct ?
[22:28] <Maca> gracias kill!
[22:28] <ubuntu233> JohnDoe1972: Yeah exactly the live, say you add apps, or do an update....etc.
[22:29] <ubuntu233> JohnDoe1972: Acts basically like an install, however it is the iso still, kernel updates are not good generally.
[22:30] <DAnCoor> drewx0r: thank you... your link cleared this out for me...
[22:30] <Bashing-om> DAnCoor: As one intro to systemd : https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/systemd-essentials-working-with-services-units-and-the-journal
[22:31] <regedit> TJ-: awesome!
[22:31] <DAnCoor> Bashing-om: Thanks ... I'll read that link
[22:33] <drewx0r> DAnCoor, glad to help, and I'll keep it in mind whenever I finally have to upgrade my unit's computers from 12.04.
[22:34] <ImJune> W: Failed to fetch http://jp.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/vivid-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch
[22:35] <ImJune> hmm
[22:36] <DAnCoor> drewx0r: Well... I somewhat wish I never upgraded, but well... Now I'll have some catch up to do... :-)
[22:38] <drewx0r> my users' experience with 14.04 kept me clinging to 12.04 LTS. I'm still hanging on.
[22:38] <ImJune> hang on yeah
[22:39] <ImJune> there is something really wrong with 14 and 15
[22:39] <k1l> ImJune: that message appears when the servers are syncing and the packages are not matching the hashes from the list. just give it some time
[22:42] <DAnCoor> I had trouble from every dist upgrade last 3 times... Last time I figured out that since I wasn't used "sudo" from the beginning, when I start using sudo there was some missing in PATH that made my dist-upgrade crash every time... now from 14.10 I didn't use sudo (run from root) upgrade went through smoothless....
[22:44] <k1l> DAnCoor: the upgrades get automated testings, so if you dont change too much on your system manually, that should work like a charm. and i dont get what you mean with sudo vs. root
[22:44] <JohnDoe1972> guys i used ubuntu a couple of years ago and it was FASTTT. Kaylin seems REALLY slow in comparison !
[22:45] <histo> JohnDoe1972: what is kaylin?
[22:45] <JohnDoe1972> also the recycle bin folder on the desktop is in japanseese / chineese ?
[22:45] <JohnDoe1972> kylin
[22:45] <JohnDoe1972> ubunto 14.04.2
[22:45] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: kylin is the chineese version of ubuntu. why you use that?
[22:46] <JohnDoe1972> its whats on the ubunto download pake
[22:46] <JohnDoe1972> page
[22:46] <JohnDoe1972> sigh
[22:46] <DAnCoor> k1l: I never want to upgrade manually... that's why I upgraded to 14.10 because I needed the "mangle" file in shorewall newer release
[22:46] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: so you use a chineese version and wonder why its chineese?
[22:46] <JohnDoe1972> ive just wasted the last hour
[22:46] <JohnDoe1972> i dint know it weas the chineese version
[22:47] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: use the plain ubuntu version.
[22:47] <JohnDoe1972> its stupid shit like this why i stoped using ubuntu in the first place
[22:47] <histo> JohnDoe1972: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[22:47] <histo> JohnDoe1972: You're the one who chose to download the chinese version without reading whatever link you followed.
[22:48] <histo> JohnDoe1972: I don't see why this would stop you from using ubuntu?
[22:48] <JohnDoe1972> also why is it so slow ? im booting from usb. that should be like ssd speeds surely ! well not quite but faster than normal hhd
[22:48] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: you are making that too difficult. get the regular ubuntu iso. put it onto a usb or dvd like the official tutorial says, try it.
[22:48] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: no, usb is slow.
[22:48] <histo> JohnDoe1972: The read and write speed of usb is pretty slow
[22:48] <JohnDoe1972> faster then hdd !
[22:49] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: everything needs to be loaded into the ram. and most usb drives are very very very very very slow. just get the facts instead of blaming ubuntu
[22:49] <JohnDoe1972> i used ubuntu 12 and it was FAST !
[22:49] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: do you know the read and write speeds of that usb?
[22:49] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: then make a real install.
[22:51] <DAnCoor> k1l: Actually, when I moved from Mandrake to Ubuntu, I did the misstake to skip the "sudo" and continued using root... when I suddenly followed the instructions and did an dist-upgrade with sudo it stopped on libc and dev-libc upgrade... kind of loop problem.... appearantly sudo was missing some relevant path's to /sbin etc
[22:51] <JohnDoe1972> then im going to have to do the god damn live usb creator again
[22:51] <bazhang> no cursing here JohnDoe1972
[22:51] <JohnDoe1972> why ?
[22:51] <k1l> !guidelines | JohnDoe1972 that is why
[22:52] <bazhang> JohnDoe1972, a usb live will never be even a little close to hdd speeds
[22:52] <JohnDoe1972> isnt that a bit draconian ? i thought the web was where people could express themselves any way they wished !
[22:53] <Demon_Jester> Hey guys I have a quick question if I were to install another ubuntu OS over my current one will it save my files similar how windows will store them in windows.old folder?
[22:53] <JohnDoe1972> not to be controled by some power hungry anonomous person who thinks god damn is a curse
[22:53] <k1l> JohnDoe1972: stop all that. if you just want to rant start a blog. this channel is for ubuntu support according to the guidelines.
[22:54] <histo> Demon_Jester: what is your current os?
[22:54] <bazhang> Demon_Jester, there should be an option to preserve the home
[22:54] <Demon_Jester> histo: xubuntu, and I will be install ubuntu server over it
[22:55] <Demon_Jester> bazhang: If my directory is in home will that guarantee that my files won't be deleted, or are all my files no matter what are in /home directory?
[22:55] <bazhang> at least for a desktop install, no idea about server
[22:56] <bazhang> try in #ubuntu-server about that Demon_Jester
[22:56] <Demon_Jester> bazhang, ok thanks
[22:58] <TJ-> regedit: let's take this private since it's not strictly Ubuntu now :)
[22:58] <onanymous> hello
[22:58] <Azaziah_> Hi! I',m trying to make backups of broken Win install with Ubuntu CD and wanted to use the LIVE feature, but it opens in GRUB instead
[22:59] <onanymous> i use a backbox :)
[23:00] <k1l> onanymous: then #backbox (or wherever they have a support channel) is the right place :)
[23:00] <DalekSec> #backbox on irc.autistici.org/6667 to be precise.
[23:01] <onanymous> oke thx
[23:02] <ubuntu233> Azaziah_: you have a link to the download of the iso
[23:03] <ubuntu233> basically what your booting with live
[23:04] <Azaziah_> ubuntu233: I have ubuntu 10 from some years ago, it boots to grub_rescue console..Im pretty sure this used to work with Live..
[23:04] <k1l> Azaziah_: uh, that is very old. i would try a 14.04 or 15.05 to boot into live
[23:05] <ubuntu233> Azaziah_: does it boot to the live from any of the choices?
[23:05] <ubuntu233> +1 on a updated release
[23:07] <Azaziah_> ubuntu233: I set the laptop to boot from CD and it goes straight to grub rescue mode.. I should probaby try to remake my backup solution if there is no easy way to fix this..
[23:11] <ubuntu233> Azaziah_: There is a per-session boot, mine is f12, my bios screen has a notation of this, try the cd from there if you can. Could youhave modified this cd to go to grub?
[23:12] <Azaziah_> My best quess is that the CD may thinks Acers hidden recovery partition is Ubuntu install or something?
[23:13] <educacionit> how do i sudo?
[23:13] <ubuntu233> Azaziah_: Without dragging this out further, I would try the per-session, I have seen the bios bypass cd/usb's first listed
[23:14] <Azaziah_> ubuntu233: I trie'd that also but it does the same.. I don't think I have touched the CD myself, but maybe Ubuntu automatically edited it once I actually installed it on one HDD?
[23:15] <ubuntu233> Azaziah_: I would get a supported media like 14.04....etc
[23:16] <al2o3-cr> educacionit: how'd do you mean?
[23:17] <educacionit> al2o3-cr: how do i use sudo?
[23:18] <Azaziah_> ubuntu233: Okay then, thank you for the support and have a nice day! :)
[23:18] <ubuntu233> np
[23:18] <al2o3-cr> educacionit: sudo command ?
[23:19] <al2o3-cr> unless i'm missing what you really mean
[23:21] <ubuntu233> !sudo | educacionit
[23:33] <afflicto> Hi. I'm taking a lot of screenshots (and uploading to imgur) with shutter. But I wish it was automated (screenshot, upload, get URL to clipboard). Does anyone know of any alternatives that provide that?
[23:34] <FuZi0N> i was running an installer script and my ssh session timed out but the script is still running, how can i restore my sceen to resume the interactive installer?
[23:37] <psusi> FuZi0N, what is "an installer script"?
[23:37] <psusi> you have to have run it under screen to begin with and then can reattach using screen.. iirc, do-release-upgrade does this automatically
[23:39] <FuZi0N> i wasn't running it under screen, is there any way to restore it?
[23:39] <bazhang> FuZi0N, debian is not supported here
[23:39] <bazhang> keep in #debian FuZi0N
[23:39] <FuZi0N> ok
[23:45] <qmr2> ii php5-mysql 5.5.9+dfsg-1ubuntu4.9 amd64 MySQL module for php5
[23:45] <qmr2> ^ why does phpinfo() not show mysql support? ubuntu 14.04
[23:46] <tvx> has Ubuntu gotten any better in regards to (a) hardware detection, (b) being able to view lots of images over a local network?
[23:47] <tvx> though i am a beginner to Linux i am unhappy with Manjaro and the seeming (from my perpective) difficulties it has resolving dependencies when using the genric add/remove software program.
[23:48] <grunhart> Using Lubuntu atm. Manjaro is cool but... Better safe than sorry.
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[13:54] <Janels> hi how can i unset an env
[13:54] <Janels> java tool option
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[05:38] <svij> balloons: great, thx! I will check that later today (after work)
[18:03] <dobey> anyone know anything about python3-coverage?
[18:07] <dobey> i'm trying to figure out how to do the equivalent of "coverage run -m testtools.run discover" with it. doing "python3-coverage run -m testtools.run discover" complains about needing one of N option flags passed, and it doesn't seem to like being used as "run". replaing "run" with "-b" seems to give me some failure about "discover" not being found in the local tree :-/
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[00:00] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • 国内专业的ubuntu phone QQ群 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471320 国内专业的ubuntu phone QQ群： 450712533,欢迎乌班图系统爱好者加入。 zz: cwb5206 — 2015-06-17 2:07
[00:51] <jlzhang> hi
[00:51] <ubrl> jlzhang:点点点. 20:51
[00:52] <Niac> morning 工头喊你去开工
[01:13] <o0O> 大家好！
[01:13] <ubrl> o0O:点点点. 21:13
[01:14] <o0O> 在ubuntu下有没有类似win平台上ccproxy的软件？
[01:14] <o0O> 我的意思是：我的机器可以上外网，我想通过软件将局域网的其他机器通过我的代理也上外网
[01:15] <o0O> squid 这个软件不错 只是配置复杂一些
[01:22] <o0O> squid.conf中配置visible_hostname 是什么意思？
[01:22] <o0O> 有必要么？
[01:37] <^k^> 新 因特网相关软件 • chrome浏览器两个疑问 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471323 一、网页中的加粗字体模糊，一般字体只是感觉浓度不够。不管是宋体黑体，只要是加粗，就模糊。 二、搜狗输入法，时常出现无法激活的情况。 有经验的朋友帮助一下 zz: 百草谷居士 — 2015-06-17
[01:37] <^k^> ─> 9:36
[02:06] <BuMangHuo> freeflying: 你办了北京绿卡了？
[02:08] <freeflying> BuMangHuo: 没啊
[02:08] <freeflying> BuMangHuo: 据说又要变政策了
[02:09] <BuMangHuo> freeflying: 咋边
[02:09] <hoxily> 好久没上IRC了
[02:10] <hoxily> .sm liuhangbin
[02:10] <freeflying> BuMangHuo: telegram
[02:10] * hoxily 摸摸 BuMangHuo freeflying
[02:11] <BuMangHuo> hoxily: momo
[02:19] <ptsil> hoxily: long time no see
[02:20] <ptsil> hoxily: 这段时间在做啥
[02:22] <^k^> 新 服务器维护和硬件相关 • 香港服务器好在哪里？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471332 很多朋友在选择服务器的时候总是在犹豫，是香港的好还是国内的好呀？为什么会有那么多人选择香港服务器呢？这个没有一定之规，关键还是要根据个人网站的特点和需求，那么今天我们
[02:27] <hoxily> jusss ?
[02:27] <hoxily> 你竟然又改名了。
[02:27] <hoxily> 我在游戏的虚拟世界里奋斗了好久。
[02:27] <hoxily> 回到现实还是空空如也。
[02:28] <hoxily> 话说回来，现在大部分游戏都支持 RMB 玩家。
[02:28] <hoxily> 为什么不直接在 现实里挣钱，拿到 虚拟世界里花呢？
[02:39] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.04 • 莱鸟求教：如何安装打印机…… http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471333 要死了也，在Windows里我也算是个老鸟，NND到了Ubuntu里连个打印机都装不了，真真郁闷，有知道的达人别嫌麻烦， 真真的帮个忙哈，献上膝盖跪求…… 操作系统：Ubuntu 12.04 LTS 打印机型
[02:49] <tryit> iMadper, 今天无意中看到一篇文章，推荐了几个google山寨镜像，试了试，比挂VPN快多了
[02:52] <O0XX|Qiong> tryit: 收购
[02:53] <O0XX|Qiong> tryit: 买买买
[02:54] <O0XX|Qiong> cherrotluo: 裸兔子
[02:54] <iMadper> cherrotluo: 裸兔子
[02:54] <cherrotluo> O0XX|Qiong, 穷XX
[02:54] <cherrotluo> iMadper, 爱媒婆
[02:55] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper, 爱媒婆
[02:58] * O0XX|Qiong 饿
[02:59] <iMadper> cherrotluo: ... ...
[03:19] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: http://www.smzdm.com/p/682855
[03:19] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 买买买
[03:19] <ubrl> O0XX|Qiong: ⇪ 新低价：MEN'S MAX SMART 双头可开口飞机杯 69.9元（99.9-30）_亚马逊中国优惠_什么值得买
[03:20] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • btrfs子卷怎么安装系统 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471336 至今没有成功，难道只有每次修改set default么。。。。 来自我的 H60-L02 上的 Tapatalk zz: edwardlou92 — 2015-06-17 11:19
[03:20] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 评论大亮啊
[03:20] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: ... ...
[03:22] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 你就喜欢搞基
[03:24] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: http://weibo.com/u/5627039296?from=feed&loc=nickname#1434511419459
[03:24] <ubrl> iMadper: ⇪ Sina Visitor System
[03:24] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 看亚马逊页面的评论
[03:31] <^k^> 新 因特网相关软件 • 强烈建议某浏览器和某浏览器和某浏览器吊销鸿海证书 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471337 https://securelist.com/blog/research/70 ... ce-module/ 这不是初犯了，而且影响比cnnic更恶劣 顺便游戏玩家们，某证书滚蛋后国服战网体验如何啊？ zz: nyfair — 2015-06-17 11:30
[03:34] <freeflying> 蛋蛋呢
[03:42] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 吃饭去?
[03:42] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 大JB?
[03:50] * QiongMangHuo 最近有值得看的2D电影么?
[03:50] * QiongMangHuo 有的话我下午就去公司
[03:54] <jusss> QiongMangHuo: 编译软件时,configure时没加-prefix指定位置,然后make, make install后把包装到了编译目录下,怎么办
[03:54] <QiongMangHuo> jusss: 重来
[03:54] <hoxily> 哈，重来
[03:54] <hoxily> 编译很费时间的吧
[03:55] <hoxily> 简直是生命杀手
[03:55] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 我都行啊
[03:55] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 我emacs没有notification了卧槽...
[03:55] * nyfair 高薪诚聘魔都理工科娘T，2k/m招募廉价程序猿
[03:58] <hoxily> 什么是娘t啊？
[03:58] <ubrl> hoxily: define:娘t啊？ 2015年3月31日 |...| 对这个疑问特好奇呀？？？？ 31岁了呀和男艺人什么绯闻都没有。。 除了插足 刘亦菲和曾一可三角恋插足may和皇甫在一起绯闻几乎为零。 点赞|娘T| ...
[04:00] <nyfair> 什么玩意
[04:01] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 我的ue900坏了, 卧槽
[04:01] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: nnnd, 没得听了
[04:01] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 我槽
[04:01] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 继续换啊
[04:02] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 恩, 找个时间去换
[04:02] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 还好是保质期内的
[04:02] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 你丫到底怎么用的
[04:02] <tryit> iMadper, 换个更土豪的
[04:02] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 可惜ue没有后续产品了啊
[04:02] <iMadper> tryit: 不会的, 保修肯定是换同型号的
[04:02] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 就是地铁里停啊
[04:02] <iMadper> 听啊
[04:02] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 现在有个ue900s
[04:03] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3008543561
[04:03] <ubrl> iMadper: ⇪ 入手UE900s，对比UE900，来讨论_耳机吧_百度贴吧
[04:03] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 估计会换成ue900s
[04:03] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 不看，怕中毒
[04:03] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 不错啊
[04:03] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 你这便宜 tf15 赚大了
[04:03] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 一直能跟着 ue 最旗舰的产品玩
[04:03] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 壕
[04:04] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 是啊...
[04:04] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 其实最好听的还是tf15啊
[04:05] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 没那么大的耳洞，玩不了
[04:05] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 不过也大不过 k319 吧
[04:06] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 当然319最大
[04:08] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 现在除了 535 或者 425，我都不长草了
[04:08] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 买那么多便宜货完全没用
[04:10] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: w40啊
[04:10] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 你直接无视助听器家啦?
[04:10] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 还有k3003啊
[04:11] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: gr10啊
[04:12] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 膜蛤膜的
[04:12] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 啥?
[04:13] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 世界上最多人用的名字, 膜蛤膜的
[04:13] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 线坏了, 单元没坏.
[04:14] * QiongMangHuo lunch
[04:14] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 不知道ue啥时候出下一代旗舰啊
[04:14] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 等你回邮件呢啊
[04:21] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 等你的 ue900s 坏啊
[04:21] <BuMangHuo> 就出下一代了
[04:21] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: k3k3 太贵了
[04:23] <yunfan> BuMangHuo: 一周没出门
[04:23] <BuMangHuo> yunfan: 啊？
[04:23] <BuMangHuo> yunfan: 不买菜？
[04:23] <yunfan> BuMangHuo: 我是说出门闲逛
[04:24] <yunfan> 我都好久没做饭了
[04:24] <BuMangHuo> 不遛狗？
[04:24] <yunfan> 吃饭还是出门吃的
[04:24] <yunfan> 没有狗
[04:24] <BuMangHuo> yunfan: 哦，你说的出门闲逛啊
[04:24] <BuMangHuo> yunfan: 那我有那么二十多年没出门了
[04:24] <yunfan> BuMangHuo: 扯呢 我看你微信不是出门跑步来着
[04:24] <yunfan> 我出门就是到小区门口吃个饭
[04:24] <BuMangHuo> yunfan: 啊，那跟出门吃个饭的时间差不多了
[04:25] <BuMangHuo> yunfan: 好吧
[04:25] <BuMangHuo> yunfan: 为啥？忙？
[04:25] <yunfan> BuMangHuo: 没有 玩游戏 呵呵
[04:25] <BuMangHuo> 啥游戏
[04:25] <BuMangHuo> 斗地主？
[04:26] <yunfan> BuMangHuo: 叫不起
[04:27] <BuMangHuo> 四个二带俩王啊
[04:28] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 保质期要到了啊
[04:28] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 以后没得换了
[04:29] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 没事儿，等明年 315 啊
[04:29] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 然后黑 ue ，让它学苹果， 换新机保修重新算
[04:30] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 不错, 真不错.
[04:30] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 行不行啊
[04:44] <jusss> felixonmars is here?
[04:56] <jusss> QiongMangHuo: iMadper 把源码包放别的机子上编译,然后把整个编译目录复制到本地,然后make install可以吗?
[05:11] <iMadper> jusss: 不一定.
[05:11] <iMadper> jusss: 要看软件具体的实现.
[05:34] <nyfair> 下月indieace谁陪我去？
[05:44] <jiero> nyfair, 这里还有在上海的人？
[05:44] <BuMangHuo> 穷忙活下线了？
[05:55] <BuMangHuo> iIlL10Oo: 你之前搞的看盘的脚本有了么
[05:56] <iMadper`> O0XX|Qio_: 啥啥啥?
[05:57] <BuMangHuo> iMadper`: 昨天看见别人的电动滑板车速度很快啊
[05:57] <BuMangHuo> 就不知道那种车续航多少
[05:58] <Niac> 不是独轮车更拉风么
[05:58] <iMadper`> BuMangHuo: ... ... ... 没意思.
[05:59] <BuMangHuo> iMadper`: 看起来还不错啊，反正昨天我遇到的那俩人，速度肯定在 20 以上
[05:59] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 竟然是图片 http://i2.xiaohua.fd.zol-img.com.cn/t_s600x5000/g3/M0A/00/08/Cg-4WFI2qdqILP8SAAD6-2AFxKgAALrFgHEET4AAPsT648.jpg 猫咪的生死时速
[05:59] <palomino|working> ...
[06:11] <tryit> jiero, 绝大多数都是帝都的壕们
[06:17] <jiero> BuMangHuo, 20吧。看到一个在京东众筹的
[06:19] <BuMangHuo> jiero: 没明白京东那个众筹，比如你买了之后， 是他们做出产品了给你一个，还是买的时候有优惠，还是相当于投资可以参与分红
[06:20] <jiero> BuMangHuo, 。自己看说明去。各有不同
[06:20] <jiero> tryit, 壕
[06:26] <iMadper`> bu
[06:27] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: 深航这系统真是渣
[06:27] <BuMangHuo> iMadper`: 走，入市吧
[06:27] <iMadper`> BuMangHuo: 不.
[06:27] <BuMangHuo> iMadper`: 我今天瞎蒙的两支股票都涨了 10% 呢
[06:28] <iMadper`> BuMangHuo: 那也不
[06:28] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 股神!
[06:28] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 对吧，所以我打算入市冲浪了
[06:29] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: 股神
[06:30] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 去浪吧
[06:30] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 股市水够深, 足够你浪的
[06:43] <happyaron> 神车竟然还拉涨这么多
[06:43] <jiero> BuMangHuo, 股神啊
[06:44] <jiero> happyaron, 股市赔掉了3000多的飘过
[06:44] * jiero 呃本来想输入 /me
[06:50] <BuMangHuo> jiero: 我还没入市呢
[06:50] <BuMangHuo> jiero: 正在考虑要开户
[06:50] <BuMangHuo> 以前的那个户，账号都忘了。。。
[06:50] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 亏了啊你, 没赚到就是赔了
[06:51] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 没关系
[06:51] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 彩票赚了的
[06:53] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 中500W了?
[06:54] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 没啊，再来一瓶啊
[06:55] <BuMangHuo> 这也算彩票吧...?
[06:55] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 难道不应该是再买一瓶?
[06:55] <BuMangHuo> 我已经收集了好几个果粒橙的再来一瓶了，不知道去哪里兑现
[06:55] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 萧敬腾在北京, 等下是不是要早点回家?
[06:55] <BuMangHuo> 果然？
[06:55] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 他是昨天来的？
[06:56] <BuMangHuo> 或者这一个月一直在北京？
[06:56] <BuMangHuo> 最近雷阵雨太多了
[06:57] <jiero> BuMangHuo, ... 你是电子模拟啊？我以为你是玩钱的。
[06:57] <wangli> iMadper, ping
[06:58] <BuMangHuo> jiero: 没钱玩啊
[06:58] <BuMangHuo> wangli: 首席早
[06:58] <wangli> BuMangHuo, iMadper呢
[06:58] <jiero> BuMangHuo, 屁。。。你比我富有多少当我不知道？
[06:58] <wangli> BuMangHuo, 早
[06:58] <jiero> BuMangHuo, 你快去拉回机油来
[07:00] <BuMangHuo> wangli: 让你 ping 司机了
[07:01] <happyaron> 雨神好流弊
[07:04] <jusss> 苦b编译qt一编一上午,然后没加-prefix参数,又要编一下午,擦
[07:05] <happyaron> jusss: 用cross compiler啊
[07:05] <happyaron> jusss: 还是native你就搞了那么久？
[07:05] <jusss> happyaron: cross compiler是啥
[07:05] <jusss> 交叉编译?
[07:05] <happyaron> jusss: 你是编译arm的，还是x86的？
[07:06] <jusss> happyaron: x86-64
[07:06] <cherrot> 交叉编译就是交叉感染啊
[07:06] <happyaron> jusss: 额你该换机器了
[07:06] <happyaron> cherrot: 怎么了
[07:06] <happyaron> cherrot: 你被坑哭了？
[07:06] <cherrot> happyaron, 么么哒
[07:06] <gebjgd> jusss, 为什么要自己编译qt
[07:06] <gebjgd> jusss, 病
[07:06] <cherrot> happyaron, 我不干编译的活儿
[07:06] <happyaron> cherrot: 我两年前cross了好多东东
[07:07] <jusss> happyaron: 一个小时前make时好像没加j8...这中间又不敢停,擦
[07:07] <happyaron> jusss: 恭喜
[07:07] <palomino|working> .... jusss
[07:07] <happyaron> jusss: 建议你停了加吧
[07:07] <happyaron> 没事的
[07:07] <gebjgd> jusss, 直接停了 重新编译
[07:07] <palomino|working> 没j8不快乐
[07:07] <gebjgd> jusss, 你又不是老版本的Linux发行版 为毛自己编译
[07:07] <happyaron> ...
[07:07] <gebjgd> jusss, 病
[07:07] <jusss> gebjgd: qt垃圾, qt3d这个垃圾模块,只有5.5版本,而qt5.5又自带qt3d,最后导致我只能编译qt5.5
[07:08] <palomino|working> ....
[07:08] <gebjgd> jusss, 上新的发行版
[07:08] <jusss> gebjgd: 需要用qt3d这个模块
[07:08] <jusss> gebjgd: arch上的aur都是qt5.4, 5.5还是beta呢
[07:08] <jusss> release还没到呢
[07:08] <gebjgd> jusss, 那你慢慢了
[07:08] <O0XX|Qiong> palomino|working:赞
[07:09] <jusss> ps ax|grep make
[07:10] <jusss> 擦,真没加j8
[07:10] <jusss> happyaron: 每加j8会是几线程
[07:11] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 股神
[07:11] <happyaron> jusss: j1
[07:12] <jusss> 擦
[07:12] <jusss> happyaron: 我在ps ax|grep make确认下
[07:12] <jusss> 擦,真没加
[07:13] <jusss> happyaron: 怎么看cpu是多少线程的
[07:13] <happyaron> jusss: nproc
[07:13] <jusss> happyaron: 2...
[07:14] <jusss> happyaron: 这是2线程的? 那和j1没啥区别了吧
[07:14] <happyaron> jusss: 那就make -j2
[07:14] <happyaron> jusss: 还是有很大区别的
[07:14] <happyaron> lol
[07:14] <jusss> happyaron: 白停了...都编译一半了
[07:15] <happyaron> jusss: 继续编译又不用重来
[07:15] <palomino|working> 不是建议core+1么
[07:15] <jusss> happyaron: 哦
[07:15] <jusss> palomino|working: 怎么看是多少核的
[07:15] <palomino|working> nproc
[07:16] <QiongMangHuo> palomino|working: 最近有值得看的2D电影么?
[07:16] <palomino|working> 单眼观看侏罗纪公园?
[07:16] <jusss> palomino|working: 有个xeon好像是48核的,可是环境和要用的机器环境不一样,一个内核是3.18,一个是3.12,还有其它包,也就没法在那上面编乐
[07:17] <QiongMangHuo> palomino|working: 已经看过imax了...
[07:17] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 啊， 你才是股神啊
[07:17] <BuMangHuo> 对吧 ^k^
[07:17] <QiongMangHuo> palomino|working: 3D眼镜难受得很 所以要2D的
[07:18] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 对对对
[07:19] <iMadper> wangli: ??
[07:19] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: http://www.net.cn/promotion/free-times/?utm_campaign=AD171&utm_source=weibo&utm_medium=text
[07:19] <ubrl> ⇪ f: application/octet-stream
[07:21] <palomino|working> 弄个disctt? jusss
[07:22] <palomino|working> distcc
[07:22] <palomino|working> 手指不利索了
[07:22] <gfxmode> 现在国内3D电影，主要目的是圈钱
[07:22] <jusss> palomino|working: distcc是啥
[07:22] <palomino|working> 分布式编译用的 jusss
[07:22] <jusss> palomino|working: 很复杂吧
[07:22] <^k^> 取新帖 timeout
[07:22] <palomino|working> 超简单
[07:23] <jusss> palomino|working: 快快告诉我
[07:25] <jiero> QiongMangHuo, 机器猫？
[07:25] <QiongMangHuo> jiero: 看过了
[07:25] <jiero> QiongMangHuo, 看了，那是爱情动作片
[07:25] <jiero> QiongMangHuo, 哦。那么找个女孩看龙去吧？
[07:25] <QiongMangHuo> jiero: 龙?
[07:26] <jiero> QiongMangHuo, 恐龙
[07:26] <QiongMangHuo> jiero: 看过了
[07:26] <palomino|working> http://blog.csdn.net/kenny_y\u/article/details/1600889 jusss
[07:26] <ubrl> palomino|working: ⇪ 取标题 403 Forbidden
[07:26] <palomino|working> -_-
[07:26] <palomino|working> damn
[07:26] <jiero> QiongMangHuo, ... 私人电影院
[07:26] <palomino|working> 把那个\去掉
[07:26] <jiero> QiongMangHuo, 看老片子
[07:26] <jiero> palomino|working, 破妈妈
[07:27] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/4fe9d0aejw1et6yeuwnyyj20hs0vkdkr.jpg
[07:27] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: uber也挺逗的
[07:27] <palomino|working> .... jiero
[07:28] <jiero> palomino|working, 反正破是你逃不掉的名字
[07:28] <jusss> 您要找的资源已被删除、已更名或暂时不可用。
[07:28] <iMadper> 昂... 没看懂...
[07:28] <palomino|working> 去掉\ jusss
[07:28] <palomino|working> 我这个只要输入\u前面就会自动被加个`
[07:29] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 我了个去，居然有个 ZX1 壕坐在我旁边
[07:32] <iMadper> wangli: ......
[07:33] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: zx1是啥? 大法zx1?
[07:33] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 对啊
[07:36] <huntxu> QiongMangHuo: 壕
[07:36] <huntxu> iMadper: 大壕
[07:36] <QiongMangHuo> huntxu: 什么时候请我吃饭?
[07:36] <huntxu> happyaron: 壕中壕
[07:36] <huntxu> QiongMangHuo: 你来广州的时候
[07:37] <BuMangHuo> happyaron: 壕中壕
[07:39] <BuMangHuo> 不过好像 zx2 才是壕？
[07:39] <iMadper> huntxu: 什么时候请我吃饭?
[07:48] <O0XX|Qiong> huntxu: 什么时候请我吃饭?
[07:53] <jusss> julianwa: julian wang是谁
[07:59] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 匿名情书 : 我真想不出在我妻子生日那天送给她一件什么礼物最好,这礼物既不很贵又能使她非常高兴。" "给她写一封匿名情书。"
[08:09] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 萧神牛逼
[08:09] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 貌似不下了
[08:09] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 已经停了.. 走完了
[08:09] <BuMangHuo> 走晚了
[08:11] <jusss> cherrot: makefile里怎么设置/目录?
[08:11] <jusss> 把当前目录设成/目录
[08:12] <cherrot> jusss, 不会
[08:12] <jamesarch> 有没有在手机上玩irc的同学
[08:12] <jamesarch> 😳
[08:13] <jusss> cherrot: qmake生成的pro文件里全是/目录,而其实当前目录
[08:15] <jamesarch> 😳问下谁知道Aron Xu 大大是谁 啥来头
[08:16] <jamesarch> 突然想起来这个名字 但是不记得在哪见过
[08:16] <cherrot> jamesarch, 竟然找阿荣搞基
[08:16] <iMadper> jamesarch: aron xu啊? 是一个年轻有为的debian developer
[08:17] <jamesarch> 我没有……
[08:17] <cherrot> jusss, 我就不是做这个的~ 问错人了哟
[08:17] <iMadper> jamesarch: 因为蓉蓉特别年轻, 年纪很小,就已经是Debian Developer了, 所以大家都亲切的称呼他为 小DD
[08:17] <jusss> cherrot: 编译问题应该找谁
[08:18] <jamesarch> 那我好像在arch的邮件列表上看到过…… 难道看错了？
[08:18] <cherrot> jamesarch, 没错
[08:18] <jamesarch> 😳😳能看到emoji表情吗 irc上面
[08:18] <^k^> jamesarch say: 😳😳能看到emoji表情吗 irc上面 in GB2312 ? We use UTF-8 !
[08:20] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 宇宙霸主被你降级了
[08:21] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: BuMangHuo iMadper http://www.smzdm.com/p/683253
[08:21] <ubrl> QiongMangHuo: ⇪ 高端秀：Diamond Aircraft 钻石飞机 DA40 私人飞机 3,000,000元不包邮_京东优惠_什么值得买
[08:21] <jamesarch> 可以的额 我手机可以看到……
[08:21] <jamesarch> andoirc 用的是这个
[08:21] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 不包邮不买
[08:22] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 买吧，你一个小时零一刻钟的工资而已
[08:22] <jamesarch> 华硕小机器人的原理是获取title么？
[08:22] <jamesarch> 话说……
[08:24] <^k^> 新 启动和引导 • subvolume应该怎么单独挂载？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471342 lvm可以用/dev/mapper/xx和/dev/vg_name/xx的方式挂载，不知道btrfs的子卷该怎么单独的挂载？又该如何在fstab和grub进行书写？ 来自我的 H60-L02 上的 Tapatalk zz: edwardlou92 — 2015-06-17 16:23
[08:24] * QiongMangHuo 流量直充真坑爹!!!!!!!!
[08:25] <BuMangHuo> ^k^: 把你的源码给 jamesarch
[08:25] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 壕居然买流量
[08:26] <jamesarch> 额(⊙o⊙)…
[08:26] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: http://www.smzdm.com/p/683253 买买买
[08:26] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 我先给你发的
[08:26] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 哦, 我没注意看.
[08:26] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 心有灵犀~
[08:27] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 去买吧
[08:27] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 不包邮不买
[08:27] <BuMangHuo> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4438694476
[08:27] <ubrl> BuMangHuo: ⇪ Speedtest.net by Ookla - My Results
[08:27] <BuMangHuo> 上传速度为什么快这么多
[08:32] <jamesarch> 多少M
[08:42] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.04 • 分享一个自己用快捷键直接打开软件和文件夹的方法 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471343 我用win的时候喜欢把桌面所有的快捷方式删掉，用AHK设置快捷方式，所有软件都用快捷键来打开，非常方便。 最近开始学习ubuntu，虽然dash确实很好用，比win的开始
[08:42] <^k^> ─> 菜单舒服，但是仍然不够快，于是开始尝试寻找快捷键设置，发现居然没有合适的软件， …
[08:47] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 你用啥吧 ape 转 wav 的
[08:47] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 死亡牛肉
[08:47] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 死牛肉还有这功能？
[08:47] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 有
[08:53] <jamesarch> 最近还有人玩gentoo么
[08:54] <gebjgd> jamesarch, 还玩 这年头 Linux发行版都民用级别了
[08:55] <jamesarch> 😳
[08:56] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 转的时候有个 wavpack
[08:56] <BuMangHuo> 还有个 ms riff wav
[08:57] <jamesarch> 😳发行版
[08:58] <BuMangHuo> 看来不能是 wavpack
[08:59] <jamesarch> 前几天试了下最新的gentoo 貌似有点变化 wiki页面变了
[09:00] <jamesarch> 不过也有好多内容很久没更新被咔嚓了
[09:01] <gebjgd> jamesarch, 谁没事用gentoo当主力os啊
[09:02] <jamesarch> 有
[09:03] <jusss> gebjgd: 你们用quilt吗
[09:03] <jamesarch> 记得以前linuxtoy是用的gentoo 现在不知道了
[09:03] <jusss> 谁用quilt ?
[09:03] <gebjgd> jusss, 不用
[09:04] <jusss> gebjgd: 那你会用吗?
[09:04] <jamesarch> 😱你们说的好深奥 是神马
[09:04] <gebjgd> jusss, 不会
[09:04] <gebjgd> jusss, 听都没听说过
[09:05] <jusss> happyaron: quilt用过没? cc iMadper
[09:07] <iMadper> jusss: 当然用过.
[09:07] <gebjgd> iMadper, 大神
[09:10] <iMadper> gebjgd: 额... debian搞出来的东西吧...
[09:10] <iMadper> gebjgd: 我用的没debian那些基佬用得好
[09:11] <gebjgd> iMadper, 用debian 但是不是基老
[09:11] <gebjgd> iMadper, 不改上游的东西 用不到quilt
[09:14] <iMadper> gebjgd: 基佬只是个称呼, 不一定非的是基佬... 类似, 伙计/家伙
[09:14] <gebjgd> iMadper, 恩 基老好
[09:15] <jiero> 好吧。
[09:15] <jiero> iMadper, 基老好，我想成为真的基老了。
[09:16] <jusss> iMadper: quilt add xxx每次运行都会生成xxx.patch?
[09:16] <jusss> iMadper: 可以把2个文件放到一个x.patch里吗
[09:22] <iMadper> jusss: 可以啊
[09:23] <iMadper> jusss: quilt new xxx.patch 然后quilt add xx; quilt add yy
[09:23] <BuMangHuo> jiero: 你不是 gay？
[09:23] <jiero> BuMangHuo, 现在觉得成为gay或许还好吧。
[09:24] <jiero> BuMangHuo, 被打击了 - 反正我喜欢的女生都不会喜欢我的。。。
[09:24] <jiero> 哈哈
[09:24] <jusss> iMadper: 嗯,我现在在改qt代码,一个用qt4的写法include头文件,然后还用到了qt5的类,这混合代码好牛b
[09:25] <iMadper> jusss: qt是啥????
[09:25] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: http://www.solidot.org/story?sid=44469
[09:25] <BuMangHuo> 这个赞
[09:25] <ubrl> ⇪ t: Solidot | 360路由之孕妇模式
[09:27] <BuMangHuo> 这货跟那些孕妇身上套的麻袋有区别不
[09:28] <jiero> BuMangHuo, 防御电磁波就要家里除了电话室之外都做电磁隔离防护，多重金属屏蔽
[09:29] <BuMangHuo> jiero: 我看见有同事给屏幕上又盖了一层玻璃的
[09:29] <jusss> iMadper: c艹的图形库
[09:29] <jiero> BuMangHuo, 好像iphone手机用金属环状外壳信号减弱一样，一层一层的包在金缕中
[09:29] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 其实不如身上穿个软甲
[09:29] <jiero> BuMangHuo, 咱们都穿金缕丝衣
[09:29] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 那个屏蔽效果更好
[09:30] <jiero> OO_0
[09:30] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: http://www.letv.com/ptv/vplay/22966268.html
[09:30] <ubrl> O0XX|Qiong: ⇪ 大胸宝贝撕名牌不顾形象 险些摸到胸- 在线观看 - 体育 - 乐视网
[09:30] <jiero> O0XX|Qiong, 是不是磁体才行？
[09:30] <jiero> 爱你们
[09:30] <O0XX|Qiong> jiero: 不用, 中世纪那种软甲就可以
[09:31] <jiero> O0XX|Qiong, http://baike.baidu.com/view/1267630.htm
[09:31] <ubrl> jiero: ⇪ 防辐射服装_百度百科
[09:33] * jiero 抱抱 iMadper O0XX|Qiong BuMangHuo cleamoon alvin_rxg gebjgd cherrot freeflying fivesheep_ huntxu kandu lainme pity palomino|working nyfair yunfan
[09:33] * jiero 拜别 - 准备再无无下限
[09:37] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 亮菊色
[09:41] <happyaron> iMadper: 谁tmd没事用quilt
[09:41] <happyaron> iMadper: 基佬好
[09:41] <happyaron> iMadper: git-buildpackage 爽爽哒
[09:52] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: happyaron quilt赞赞哒
[09:53] <happyaron> O0XX|Qiong: ...
[09:53] <happyaron> 比dpatch是好多了
[09:54] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 我发给你这个视频不错啊
[09:56] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: https://wiki.canonical.com/StayingInTouch/Voice
[09:57] <ubrl> O0XX|Qiong: ⇪ 取标题 403 FORBIDDEN
[09:58] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: https://wiki.canonical.com/ConferenceCalls
[09:58] <ubrl> O0XX|Qiong: ⇪ 取标题 403 FORBIDDEN
[09:59] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: memeda
[10:08] <BuMangHuo> 词哦
[10:08] <BuMangHuo> 开户未遂
[10:08] <BuMangHuo> 没法继续冲浪了 cc O0XX|Qiong QiongMangHuo
[10:09] <BuMangHuo> 丫视频认证网速太卡，好不容易排上队，还断了
[10:09] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 那手机啊
[10:09] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 就是手机开的啊
[10:09] <BuMangHuo> 应该是他们网速太卡
[10:10] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 没事, 明天开, 最近开户人估计不少. 一定要浪起来
[10:10] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 你浪了么
[10:10] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 必然啊
[10:10] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 你在哪家开的额
[10:10] <BuMangHuo> 华泰？
[10:10] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 就这家
[10:11] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 我当时开的是万2
[10:11] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 佣金宝？
[10:11] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 对
[10:11] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 最早一批佣金宝是万2的
[10:11] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 额，现在没有万2了
[10:11] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo:后来都是2.5了
[10:11] <BuMangHuo> 嗯啊
[10:11] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: QiongMangHuo 这种大庄家，是万 0.几？
[10:12] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 这种都是要单独和总监谈的
[10:12] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 专户室, 专用交易通道什么的
[10:12] <BuMangHuo> 对的
[10:12] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 你这种就不要想 QiongMangHuo 这种级别的了
[10:13] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 啥?
[10:13] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 我万7.5
[10:14] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 那肯定是包含专户室, 专线的费用了
[10:14] <QiongMangHuo> ...
[10:14] <QiongMangHuo> 别黑我
[10:14] <^k^> 逛了一下论坛,暂时无新贴.
[10:18] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 丫的，排不上队了
[10:18] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 想起来了，我的招商是万15
[10:18] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 可以调到万三
[10:19] <BuMangHuo> 主要问题是想不起来号了，绑定的卡还是个交行的，吧方便
[10:19] <BuMangHuo> 所以干脆新开个
[10:19] <BuMangHuo> 没有万2不开心啊
[10:21] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 资金量大的话华泰可以万二
[10:21] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 很多小券商可以无条件万二
[10:22] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 但是何必呢?
[10:22] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 也对，估计不会有啥超过2w的交易
[10:24] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 几个月前开佣金宝的时候完全没排队 几年前转户招商的时候三个人服务
[10:24] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 现在实在太火了....
[10:25] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 大家都想冲一下浪呗
[10:25] <BuMangHuo> 下班下班，晚上再约
[10:25] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 希望赶紧跌, 营业部人少一点 我才能排上队销户招商...
[10:26] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 你这招商的脑残粉咋要销了招商呢?
[10:27] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 销招商证券, 不是招商银行
[10:27] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 对啊, 招商证券也是招商啊
[10:28] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 佣金高, 封闭不能用同花顺, 营业部人山人海就一个柜员办业务, 业务办得极差一个人都得办近一个小时
[10:28] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 那也是招商啊
[10:28] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 办啥都得回知春里营业部, 我懒得跑
[10:28] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 本来就不喜欢招商证券
[10:28] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 爱一个人, 就要爱他的全部
[10:29] <QiongMangHuo> 西安招商证券 -> 四川国信证券 -> 北京招商证券 -> 佣金宝
[10:29] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: .......
[10:31] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: http://xiaohua.zol.com.cn/detail1/9607.html 误会的笑话 : 门口,两个工人正在奋力地推拉着一个大木箱,他们又是拉又是推,直到精疲力竭,箱子却一点都不动弹。最后,在外面的那个人说道:"我们最好算了,我们决不可能把箱子搬进去。""你说什么?把箱子搬进去?"里面的人叫道,"我
[10:31] <^k^> ─> 还以为我们正试图将它推出去呢
[12:13] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 大声哭就行 : 一家人吵不可开交,父亲制止了好几次也没用,最后他大声嚷道:"到底谁是这个家的主人?我怎么做才能得到自己的权利?"4岁的儿子向他建议:"你只要大声哭就行了。"
[12:22] <happyaron> nihui: 大牛，有人要找你啦
[12:34] <openfetion> ubuntu 终端更新系统的时候 发现出现了N多的“校验和不符”
[12:34] <openfetion> 如下
[12:34] <openfetion> W: 无法下载 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/universe/binary-amd64/Packages Hash 校验和不符
[12:34] <ubrl> ⇪ t: 04 => Net::HTTPNotFound for http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/universe/binary-amd64/Packages -- unhandled response
[12:34] <openfetion> 这个有什么影响么？ 怎么搞定它不再出现这样的提示？
[12:37] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS • Ubuntu 12.04 LTS for ARM Rotation 里面怎么只有Normal模式，不能旋转 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471344 忘有碰到的大神帮忙回答一下。 zz: 超神夺命剑 — 2015-06-17 19:56
[13:04] <sennn> hi
[13:05] <ubrl> sennn:点点点. 09:05
[13:08] <no1knows> 请问一下 qtcreator 调试不能进入 std::string 的源码，这是为什么呢？
[13:39] <QiongMangHuo> test
[13:40] <ubrl> QiongMangHuo:点点点. 09:39
[13:40] <alvin_rxg> gebjgd: 看到opengl 就觉得好烦…
[13:48] <Janels> 我的ubuntu刚安装好，但是开机只有一片紫色的 然后就到登陆界面了，请问那个进度条怎么设置出来
[13:49] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 约上了么?
[13:50] <Janels> 我的ubuntu刚安装好，但是开机只有一片紫色的 然后就到登陆界面了，请问那个进度条怎么设置出来
[13:55] <QiongMangHuo> Janels: 没什么进度条吧
[14:12] <gebjgd> alvin_rxg, directX容易
[14:12] <alvin_rxg> gebjgd: ios 没有 directx...
[14:12] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.04 • 新手求教 ubuntu14.04 LTS 神舟飞天D45笔记本 触控板无反应 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471346 本人新手，刚开始学习linux，家有神舟飞天D45闲置笔记本一台，安装ubuntu以便学习，但是安装好以后，触控板没有反应，Esc+fn的快捷键也没有用，之前装的win7硬件
[14:12] <^k^> ─> 没有问题，求大侠多多提携，谢谢大家。 zz: kenidi — 2015-06-17 22:10
[14:12] <gebjgd> openfetion, 没有影响
[14:12] <gebjgd> openfetion, 直接用
[14:12] <gebjgd> alvin_rxg, 没有就找
[14:13] <alvin_rxg> gebjgd: ios 只有 opengl es... 不可能有 directx
[14:13] <alvin_rxg> 网上普遍的说法是，学习 opengl 一般需要 couple of months..
[14:20] <gebjgd> alvin_rxg, 赞
[14:21] <alvin_rxg> gebjgd: 当初在学校就该跟另一个教授去玩 CV 的 T.T
[14:22] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.04 • 求助CTRL+ALT+F1黑屏怎么解决？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471347 我的驱动是UBUNTU12.04 想装.run的显卡驱动（GTX970）因为分辨率一直1024改不了 但是我CTRL+ALT+T不能安装 网友说是图形界面下的中断不能安装 但是我CTRL+ALT+F1就黑屏 求帮助 zz: JLman — 2015-06-17 22
[14:22] <^k^> ─> :13
[14:26] <gebjgd> alvin_rxg, 编译qt ing
[14:26] <gebjgd> alvin_rxg, 活活被气死
[14:26] <alvin_rxg> 同样是开源， qt 就比 opengl 好……
[14:27] <gebjgd> alvin_rxg, 试试看在SLES 10 64位机器上编译
[14:27] <gebjgd> alvin_rxg, 老的掉渣的发行版
[14:27] <alvin_rxg> 哦…
[14:42] <^k^> 新 办公、图像、机械电子设计等 • 自带截图软件除了抓整个桌面其他方式都不能保存图片，什么意思？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471348 15.04，其实不止这个版本，一直都是这样。 系统自带截图软件，除了抓取整个桌面会弹出保存框，抓取当前窗口和抓取指定区域都不会弹
[22:40] <hoxily> kandu: sssuj BuMangHuo 早
[22:41] <hoxily> 淫荡的一天开始了。
[23:58] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu衍生版制作 • (2015-06-17)linuxmint-17-cinnamon-tw(繁体中文精简版) http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471349 此版本以lINUX Mint官方linuxmint-17-cinnamon为原型，依照实际应用需求重新打包构建而成，适合港台地区的桌面型，笔记本等电脑使用，具有以下功能： 1 依托官方原版底层，使用
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[02:10] <GnoNayme> can anyone explain the benefits of scopes over the software center?
[05:00] <avi_> my problem is that my app depend on somelib and i have packaged that lib in the click. but this lib has a translation files, i put them in this path data/usr/share/locale/*/LC_ MESSAGES/somelib.mo and the translation are not loaded. what i did wronge?
[05:24] <simosx> avi_, the lib tries to find the translations using the "translation domain" (some name that is defined in the source code). Also, it uses some path to look into. Can you run 'strace' on the app so that you can figure out what files it tries to open?
[05:25] <avi_> simosx, in the emulator i think i cant run it.... i will try..
[05:43] <simosx> avi_, "strace" is preinstalled on the phone (or I installed it easily). You could change the .desktop file so that it runs the command through strace and have an idea what files are being tried to open.
[05:45] <avi_> ok. that idea. i will try it. thank you
[06:46] <Mirv> popey: can you check if the newest comment in bug #1462989 means that the patch shouldn't go in, ie that Renato claims the API should be just used differently?
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:42] <dpm> mzanetti, good morning! Do you happen to know if there is a way already for app developers to detect if their app is running on unity 8 on a phone or on a bigger form factor (e.g. the desktop)?
[07:49] <dpm> or bzoltan, you might know too? ^
[07:50] <bzoltan> dpm: as I remember the idea is not to expose such API to the apps.
[07:52] <dpm> bzoltan, oh, I see, so what's the plan to do the detection, if it's not via API?
[07:54] <didrocks> dpm: application width size I guess + other capabilities
[07:54] <didrocks> like mouse, keyboard, sensors…
[07:54] <didrocks> basically you do some progressive enhancement, as in the web
[07:55] <didrocks> and base on capabilities rather on form factor
[07:55] <bzoltan> dpm: The plan is that apps should not care about this.. all happens automagically, layouts, UX, visuals, etc
[07:55] <dpm> didrocks, I do not quite understand. So how does the app dev detect capabilities, if there is no API?
[07:56] <justCarakas> Anybody know why I am still on r19 on my nexus 4 ? It keeps saying software is up to date
[07:56] <didrocks> dpm: ah, for sensors and such, I guess there will (is?) some API
[07:56] <didrocks> dpm: but basically you won't have "get_form_factor()" -> desktop/phone/tv…
[07:57] <seb128> justCarakas, that's rather a question for #ubuntu-touch
[07:57] <justCarakas> ok thx
[07:58] <dpm> didrocks, bzoltan, there is no API that I know of in the SDK to detect whether a mouse is present or the monitor size. So I guess my question is, is there a way to work around it and make a guess at form factor/capabilities, until the full vision is implemented?
[07:58] <seb128> dpm, define "form factor", what part of the program do you want to change and when?
[07:59] <didrocks> really, we should remove the "form factor" part of this question, it's about capabilities really, and on the API, I'll let the sdk team answering, I'm not fluent enough yet to know if there is anything :)
[08:00] <seb128> didrocks, well screen size matters and it's not really a "capability"
[08:01] <seb128> but then it should probably check the width rather than a "form"
[08:01] <dpm> seb128, as an example, the reminders app uses the Layouts API to switch between different layouts if running on a phone or on a tablet. I'd like to know how the app can detect it's running on a desktop with monitor and use the tablet layout, but not at full screen
[08:02] <dpm> seb128, or e.g. the terminal app: it has a button to show the OSK on the phone. If running in a desktop setting, with a monitor and hardware keyboard, it should hide the OSK button
[08:02] <seb128> dpm, those seem different cases
[08:03] <didrocks> seb128: screen size is capability
[08:03] <dpm> right, one is about layout, the other one about hardware detection
[08:03] <seb128> didrocks, k, weird vocabulary
[08:04] <seb128> dpm, layout is just how width is your window, so you know if you have space for several column, no?
[08:04] <didrocks> dpm: I guess you typical example is "I want my app to be fullscreen if screen_size =< 50gu", otherwise, I switch my layout to be 2 columns and request at least 51gu
[08:04] <didrocks> (when the app opens)
[08:05] <seb128> didrocks, it's like "my screen is capable of displaying pixel" wououou ;-)
[08:05] <dpm> :)didrocks, so can I detect "if screen_size"
[08:05] <dpm> sorry, pressed enter too quick
[08:05] <didrocks> seb128: there is a difference between "capable fo displaying pixel and capable of displaying xxx pixels"
[08:05] <didrocks> "wououou"
[08:05] <dpm> can I detect "if screen_size =< 50gu"?
[08:05] <seb128> dpm, didrocks, I would expect the "put things in fullscreen" to be a shell thing rather than a per-application choice?
[08:05] <didrocks> dpm: yeah, that's a question for the sdk team
[08:06] <didrocks> seb128: initial window size? I don't really know…
[08:06] <seb128> didrocks, well, the width is not inherent to the screen, when I resize something on my desktop the display doesn't change properties
[08:06] <seb128> it's not capable of more pixels because I dnd-ed a corner of the win
[08:06] <didrocks> seb128: reread my sentence about "when the app opens"
[08:06] <didrocks> but whatever
[08:06] <dpm> bzoltan, can you perhaps enlighten us on the widh detection question? ^^
[08:07] <seb128> dpm, you can tweak the layout on width < something
[08:07] <seb128> without having to query the screen
[08:07] <didrocks> I don't think it's dpm's question
[08:07] <seb128> just the width of the windows should tell you if you have space for e.g multi columns
[08:08] <dpm> seb128, right, but it's the available width I don't know how to query
[08:08] <seb128> dpm, "available"?
[08:08] <didrocks> dpm: did you try http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qscreen.html?
[08:08] <seb128> the layout depends of what size you application has no?
[08:08] <seb128> not of the size of the screen
[08:08] <seb128> like on a desktop you wouldn't display the multiple columns if the win is 100 pixels width
[08:09] <seb128> it would rather match the linear layout used on e.g a phone
[08:09] <seb128> so it's the actual win geometry that you want no?
[08:11] <dpm> seb128, right, so if we switch layouts on e.g. "if width >= 100GU" you are saying that I should set the initial size of the app at 100GU and it should just do the right thing?
[08:12] <seb128> well, it's up to you
[08:12] <seb128> on e.g the phone the shell is going to put your app fullscreen
[08:12] <seb128> so you don't get the define the width
[08:12] <seb128> to define*
[08:12] <dpm> yeah, that's what I mean
[08:12] <seb128> well just do if width >= 100 gu
[08:12] <seb128> on a bq you are going to get 40gu or something and be under it
[08:13] <seb128> and if you try on your desktop you can resize to be over 100gu
[08:13] <seb128> or even specify the default width, so it's used on your desktop where things are not maximized
[08:14] <zsombi> dpm: so, if your app is having width: 100GU, your app will run on 40GU on device no matter of what's the size you defined, but on desktop will run on 100GU
[08:14] <dpm> that's what I'm trying to say, so is the guidance to set the default width to be > than a phone layout and then a) on a phone the app will be resized to full screen and b) on the destkop the default width will be used
[08:14] <zsombi> dpm: you can prepare your layout based on this: if mainview.width >= 100GU use this layout, otherwise use that
[08:15] <zsombi> dpm: there is no guideline, but I think these doesn't have to be "guidelined"
[08:15] <dpm> zsombi, yeah, that'd be the condition, but what sets the default mainview.width if the app is not running full screen?
[08:16] <zsombi> dpm: all you need to know is that apps run "fullscreen" on phone, no mater if you've set your app size to (0,0)
[08:16] <dpm> right, so I get the fullscreen case
[08:17] <dpm> zsombi, so when I've got a huge monitor and I don't want the app to run fullscreen on launch, then is the guidance to a) set mainview.width = "something wide" and b) have the layouts switch condition to "if mainview.width >= 'something big'"?
[08:18] <zsombi> dpm: that depends on the app
[08:18] <zsombi> dpm: if the app knows that on desktop it should run on 100/80 GU, then it should set its width.height to that size
[08:19] <dpm> zsombi, so how does the app "know"?
[08:19] <zsombi> dpm: so then on phone it will run fullscreen, and on desktop, or any widnowed mode will run on 100/80 GU
[08:19] <zsombi> dpm: well, I guess designs for desktop have some window metrics, right?
[08:20] <zsombi> dpm: so they can use those metrics to set their app size
[08:20] <zsombi> dpm: you go and set MainView { width: units.gu(100); height: units.gu(80) } right?
[08:20] <dpm> zsombi, I think we're talking about the same thing. So if I as an app developer I want my app to be 100GU wide on a big monitor, I should just set the initial size to that, and that's it
[08:20] <zsombi> dpm: right
[08:21] <dpm> ok, then it's all clear
[08:22] <dpm> zsombi, so the next question is about other capabilities: how do I tell whether there is a phyisical keyboard attached?
[08:22] <zsombi> dpm: why would you need that?
[08:22] <zsombi> dpm: use case pls
[08:22] <zsombi> or more
[08:22] <dpm> zsombi, e.g. the terminal app: it has a button to show the OSK on the phone. If running in a desktop setting, with a monitor and hardware keyboard, it should hide the OSK button
[08:23] <zsombi> dpm: hmm... that's weird... why does it have that?
[08:23] <zsombi> dpm: beside, if you attach a kbd to a tablet, I guess both should work, right?
[08:24] <dpm> zsombi, the osk automatic switching really got in the way of using the terminal. I'm not sure you used it before the button was added, but it was a nightmare for scrolling and screen jumping up and down
[08:25] <dpm> zsombi, why should the OSK work if I've got a hardware keyboard attached? But in any case, we're talking about the desktop case, not tablet
[08:26] <zsombi> dpm: for the presence of the OSK we have an undocumented API... QuickUtils.inputMethodProvider property... perhaps we should expose these...
[08:26] <zsombi> dpm: well, because you may wanna still use the prediction
[08:26] <zsombi> dpm: without OSK there's no predictive text
[08:27] <zsombi> dpm: and haven't you seen touch screen enabled desktops? :)
[08:27] <dpm> zsombi, I definitely don't want to use predictive text while typing CLI commands ;)
[08:27] <zsombi> dpm: ok, that is one use case, but the terminsl app is not teh only app in the world ;)
[08:27] <dpm> zsombi, no, but you asked for the use case I was looking at atm :)
[08:27] <zsombi> dpm: right :)
[08:28] <zsombi> dpm: as said, we have an internal class for that... beside, I think Qt will have something there...
[08:28] * dpm looks at documentation
[08:28] <zsombi> dpm: otoh, OSK presence can also be detected inm from the input method size
[08:29] <dpm> zsombi, where can I find out how to use QuickUtils.inputMethodProvider? a quick google glance didn't return any doc results
[08:30] <zsombi> dpm: of course not, it's internal
[08:30] <zsombi> it's not documented
[08:30] <zsombi> dpm: and you should not even use that
[08:31] <dpm> oh, so I thought that was the suggestion
[08:31] * zsombi looks for the Qt.inputMethod.rectangle or whatever property
[08:32] <zsombi> dpm: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtqml-qt.html#inputMethod-prop -> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qinputmethod.html -> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qinputmethod.html#keyboardRectangle-prop
[08:32] <zsombi> dpm: if keyboardRectangle.size is 0, there's no OSK
[08:33] <zsombi> dpm: so no need to show that button
[08:33] <dpm> awesome, thanks zsombi
[08:34] <zsombi> dpm: in any other cases, the apps shouldn't even know what devices are attached to the computer
[08:35] <zsombi> dpm: toolkit elements would handle all the diffs, i.e. focusing on Tab/Shift+Tab, Scrollbar thumb when hovered over mouse, Bottom edge hint component, MultiColumnView for responsive pagestacks, etc, etc
[08:36] <dpm> cool
[08:38] <zsombi> dpm: if the keyboardRectangle is not giving the desired results, we have to think of a better solution
[08:38] <dpm> ok
[08:41] <popey> 09:22 < dpm> zsombi, e.g. the terminal app: it has a button to show the OSK on the phone. If running in a desktop setting, with a monitor and hardware keyboard, it should hide the OSK button
[08:41] <popey> dpm: we (me and fillipo) have discussed this at length
[08:41] <popey> I am not convined we perma-hide the OSX on a 'desktop'
[08:41] <popey> (given we already have decided not to go for rigid phone / tablet / desktop form factors - as discussed above)
[08:42] <popey> e.g. what if I _want_ the osk on screen, I don't think we should forcibly hide it and never let it be brought on screen just because there is a hardware keyboard
[08:43] <dpm> popey, well, what I noticed is that button has no effect on the desktop, so there is no OSK at all
[08:43] <dpm> that was what prompted me to file the bug
[08:44] <popey> thats not a terminal bug though
[08:44] <popey> thats the fact that the OSK isn't packaged up in unity8 desktop seed
[08:45] <dpm> popey, aha. In that case, perhaps it could be a setting in the same way "show control keys bar" is
[08:45] <popey> I still don't agree.
[08:46] <popey> I think it should fade out so it's not so obtrusive
[08:46] <dpm> fade out permanently?
[08:47] <popey> no, just be less obvious
[08:47] <popey> it can get in the way sometimes
[08:47] <popey> higher transparency over time if you've not used it
[08:48] <popey> same could apply on tablet/phone uses too
[08:48] <popey> if you're using it for monitoring / tailing a log file, and rarely interact, it's more useful if those buttons fade away
[08:48] <dpm> if I'm using terminal on a big monitor and physical keyboard, and I've made a decision not to use the OSK, why should I have the icon shown at all times obstructing the view, even if it's faded out?
[08:48] <popey> but as a new user you need to know where they are/were
[08:49] <popey> if it's faded out it's not obstructing
[08:49] <dpm> right, I think it's fine to show it on first launch, but why shouldn't I be able to hide it, just as we do with the controls bar?
[08:50] <popey> more settings, more code to maintain, more possibility it gets hidden and not easy to discover how to re-enable
[08:50] <popey> there's 3 buttons, not just the osk one
[08:51] <Mirv> zbenjamin: I kicked another build of Qt Creator 3.5 to https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-023/+packages so that it's usable now that Qt 5.4.2 got in to wily
[08:51] <dpm> right, but the other two are settings and tabs
[08:52] <zbenjamin> Mirv: there were new changes in upstream that we need yesterday, does it pull the master or did you create a tarball manually?
[08:52] <zbenjamin> Mirv: the sdk plugin will only compile against the current branch
[08:52] <Mirv> zbenjamin: no it's just the same tarball, if you want the latest git I can do that too
[08:52] <Mirv> zbenjamin: alright
[08:52] <popey> yes, and if you don't have a touch screen you could argue you don't need the tabs button
[08:52] <Mirv> zbenjamin: so, ~test5 upcoming soonish to the same place
[08:52] <zbenjamin> Mirv: :) cool
[08:53] <popey> anway, i think we should discuss this on the bug report
[08:53] <dpm> anyway, so we do have different opinions, perhaps we can ask a designer
[08:53] <dpm> in any case, terminal looks awesome on the unity 8 session :)
[08:54] <dpm> I'm using it on my unity 7 session as my main terminal now
[08:54] <popey> dpm: you using the fat package?
[08:56] <dpm> popey, no, it appears on the store, but I couldn't install it (I'm not sure if store installs are disabled, or if I've got network issues), so I kicked off a wily build on my personal PPA (in order not to mess up the core apps one) and then installed the .deb inside the container
[08:56] <dpm> popey, can you install apps from the store?
[08:58] <mivoligo> davidcalle: hi, IIRC you made a guide about adding translation support for the apps on the phone. Unfortunately I can't find this guide now
[08:58] <popey> dpm: not on my unity8lxc install, i thought it might be my end, but you saying it breaks for you too?
[08:58] <popey> Also, I couldn't login to u1
[08:59] <popey> not sure where these bugs should go, or if they should be filed
[08:59] <davidcalle> mivoligo, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/internationalizing-your-app/
[08:59] <mivoligo> davidcalle: great, thanks :)
[08:59] <davidcalle> mivoligo, yw :)
[08:59] <dpm> popey, I didn't even get to a u1 log in. In my case, I can see apps in the click store, but when I click on the "Install" button, nothing happens
[09:00] <dpm> popey, I noticed the browser crashes on start, so I couldn't check if it was a network issue. But now I've got terminal installed, I guess I could find out if I've got network at all. In any case, the network indicator shows no networks available
[09:02] <popey> yeah, mine is wired, and can go online
[09:05] <dpm> ok
[09:06] <dpm> I need to try if the browser still crashes after I ran an update on the container
[09:06] <popey> dpm: how did you update?
[09:06] <popey> from outside or inside?
[09:07] <dpm> popey, I tried both, as I had a broken package which I couldn't fix from outside. So I first did a 'sudo unity8-lxc-setup --update-lxc'
[09:07] <popey> ok
[09:07] <dpm> (from outside)
[09:07] <dpm> and then a 'sudo lxc-attach -n unity8-lxc' to fix the broken package from inside the container
[09:08] <dpm> and then I went back to doing the update with 'sudo unity8-lxc-setup --update-lxc'
[09:08] <dpm> as I didn't know if that ran other steps, so I preferred to do it this was just in case
[09:08] <dpm> *way
[09:10] * popey tries that
[09:10] <dpm> seb128, if we find bugs such as not being able to log into ubuntuone to install packages on the unity8 desktop session, is lp:unity8-desktop-session the best place to file bugs?
[09:10] <popey> yeah, you can't install apps from the store because you dont have a u1 account
[09:10] <popey> that's annoying
[09:13] <seb128> dpm, you can, or on the specific packages
[09:13] <seb128> what is not working when you try to log in?
[09:16] <dpm> seb128, in my case I'm not even shown the prompt when trying to install an app from the store, but I haven't tried to explicitly go to the settings app and add the account yet. popey first flagged the issue that he couldn't add the u1 account
[09:17] <seb128> popey, dpm, is there a bug open about not being able to add the account?
[09:17] <seb128> it worked when I tried previous cycle
[09:17] <popey> just updating, will try again and file if not
[09:17] <seb128> we even demoed installing clicks fro u8 in washington
[09:17] <seb128> popey, thanks
[09:17] <seb128> what was the issue?
[09:18] <popey> nothing happens when you click U1 in system settings -> accounts
[09:19] <popey> yeah, still broken
[09:22] <dpm> popey, does the browser work for you?
[09:22] <popey> dpm: no, crashes
[09:22] <popey> will file that one next :)
[09:23] <dpm> same here
[09:24] <dpm> having the browser working and being able to install apps would be two massive improvements
[09:24] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1466009 there you go
[09:24] <popey> ya
[09:26] <popey> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1466012
[09:28] <dpm> popey, thanks. Do you have the browser installed on your unity 7 session too?
[09:29] <popey> looks like it, yes
[09:30] <popey> dpm: can you logout? my session freezes when I try to
[09:30] <dpm> me too, not sure if it makes a difference. The LXC container mounts /home, so I don't know if there are any browser settings that interfere with each other. FWIW, having terminal installed on both systems does not seem to pose any problems
[09:31] <popey> getting segfaults in location service too
[09:31] <dpm> I got a freeze yesterday, but I generally have been able to log out
[09:31] <popey> [Wed Jun 17 10:19:10 2015] ubuntu-location[3106]: segfault at 0 ip (null) sp 00007ffc0dee1288 error 14 in ubuntu-location-serviced[400000+49000]
[09:31] <popey> lots of those
[09:31] <popey> oh, it finally logged out, was just really slow, probably io bound on mediascanner
[09:32] <popey> dpm: webbrowser-app works fine under unity7
[09:33] <dpm> yeah, here too. And if I try to uninstall it, it wants to remove qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu and ubuntu-sdk, so I'll leave it alone :)
[09:33] <popey> heh
[09:33] <popey> maybe rm .config/webbrowser-app and .cache/webbrowser-app ?
[09:34] <popey> (this, btw, is why I wanted to run Unity8 on a separate machine, the logging out/in all the time is kinda annoying)
[09:34] <popey> also, now I'm getting the welcome thing flickering repeatedly
[09:34] * popey reboots
[09:35] <dpm> yeah, but I don't have that many machines :)
[09:35] <popey> seems it doesn't like you flipping unity 8 -> 7 -> 8
[09:36] <dpm> oSoMoN, do you have any hints on bug 1466012 - maybe a known bug, perhaps there is a workaround?
[09:40] <oSoMoN> dpm, I marked it as duplicate of bug #1457458
[09:41] <oSoMoN> known bug, no known workaround that I know of
[09:43] <dpm> ok, thanks oSoMoN. Sounds more a bug for Mir rather than Oxide, if I understand it correctly?
[09:43] <oSoMoN> not sure where the bug is, chrisccoulson can you clarify? ^
[09:44] <chrisccoulson> the bug is in oxide
[09:45] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi, there's something wrong with the sound when playing MvsM after the latest OTA update. The sound sometimes goes up or down suddenly. And I mean the system sound.
[09:50] <mzanetti> mivoligo, yeah... it's a bug in the system
[09:50] <mzanetti> I should probably report it
[09:50] <mivoligo> mzanetti: ah, ok, was it like that before?
[09:51] <mzanetti> don't remember. been using vivid for 3 months now
[09:51] <mivoligo> :)
[10:02] <LemmyK> Can anyone tell my what the status on the new "calendar sync backend" is?
[10:06] <popey> LemmyK: I don't think that'll be ready until July or so.
[10:07] <LemmyK> Thanks, is there a bug to track the progres of this?
[10:07] <karni> What's the advised solution here? "Too many authentication failures for phablet from 127.0.0.1 port 50877 ssh2" -- trying to install a click form beloved QtC ;) to krillin
[10:08] <popey> LemmyK: i dont think so
[10:09] <mzanetti> rpadovani, hey
[10:10] <rpadovani> mzanetti, o/
[10:10] <mzanetti> rpadovani, have a reminders branch to test/review :)
[10:10] <rpadovani> mzanetti, ok, I' ll take a look after lunch :-)
[10:10] <mzanetti> enjoy the lunch
[10:33] <nik90> mzanetti: I am hitting a strange issue on the latest image rc-proposed/ubuntu r163, where shell rotation doesn't happen while app rotates...https://imgur.com/Gs43FQH
[10:34] <nik90> mzanetti: was it disabled or is this a bug?
[10:35] <mzanetti> no... hasn't been disabled
[10:36] <mzanetti> nik90, can't repro here
[10:36] <mzanetti> nik90, any steps to trigger this?
[10:37] <nik90> mzanetti: I just updated to r163 and then opened the system settings app to test shell rotation on my N4. I am going to reboot my phone and see if that helps
[10:37] <mzanetti> nik90, what channel?
[10:38] <nik90> mzanetti: ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu on Nexus $
[10:38] <nik90> Nexus 4*
[10:38] <mzanetti> nik90, I've seen comments on G+ that some other Nexus users complain about not having the update yet
[10:38] * mzanetti digs out his nexus4
[10:39] <mzanetti> nik90, have you ever seen shellRotation on that device and it stopped working, or you didn't ever see it yet?
[10:39] <nik90> mzanetti: I had it in the before images...just so happens this image it stopped working...strange behavior.
[10:40] <nik90> mzanetti: I was the one who posted screenshots on g+ of shell rotation
[10:41] <mzanetti> nik90, right...
[10:43] <nik90> mzanetti: I think its not unity8's fault..the image is messed up...my calculator and music apps which I updated yesterday have all been reverted to old version. Somehow the image upgrade downgraded everything or something!
[10:43] <mzanetti> weird
[10:44] <nik90> yeah I have no idea wth happened..just going to reflash everything from scratch again to confirm this
[10:45] <nik90> mzanetti: fyi I had unity8 8.02+15.04.20150603.1-0ubuntu1 installed. Is that the latest?
[10:46] <nik90> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11729878/
[10:47] <mzanetti> nik90, 8.10+15.04.20150612-0ubuntu1
[10:48] <mzanetti> nik90, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11729884/
[10:48] <nik90> mzanetti: crazy...let me finish reflashing to confirm the issue and report to sil
[10:48] <mzanetti> nik90, looks like you have a different PPA
[10:48] <nik90> mzanetti: god knows how considering I just did a normal update and nothing else
[10:55] <dropp> Hi, can someone tell me where the PopupUtils.close() function is documented? Thanks!
[10:55] <mzanetti> nik90, I just flashed ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-developer and it does not rotate indeed
[10:56] <nik90> mzanetti: that is intended..the ubuntu-developer images are not updated regularly.
[10:56] <nik90> mzanetti: sry I meant that is known..not sure why the ubuntu-developer images were not updated
[10:57] <mzanetti> nik90, it does seem to have this ppa tho: stable-phone-overlay
[10:57] <mzanetti> unlike the one you pasted
[10:57] <nik90> hmm
[10:58] <nik90> mzanetti: I just reflashed ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu and it still has unity 8.02+15.04.20150603.1-0ubuntu1!
[10:59] <davmor2> dropp: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.Popups.PopupBase/ not sure if that is what you are after
[11:02] <Mirv> zbenjamin: bzoltan: ok git snapshot of today's Qt Creator built successfully at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-023/+packages
[11:02] <dpm> popey, in the interim, until we have the u1 login fixed, I created a set of daily .deb builds of the core apps at https://code.launchpad.net/~dpm/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=wily - the first installation needs to happen from the host (as there is no terminal otherwise). If that's the terminal app, then the rest of .debs can be installed from the unity8 session with the terminal
[11:03] <zbenjamin> Mirv: awesome :D, the plugin also needs a rebuild though
[11:03] <popey> dpm: i already have daily builds of clicks
[11:03] <zbenjamin> Mirv: i pushed the changes there yesterday
[11:04] <dpm> popey, ah, cool, with fat packaging?
[11:04] <popey> for those that need it, yes
[11:04] <popey> i just scp them over and use pkcon to install them
[11:04] <dpm> awesome
[11:05] <Mirv> zbenjamin: ok, updating from lp:~zeller-benjamin/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/sdk-refactor2 .. I don't think it'd build successfully in a PPA though due to that "ubuntu" directory requirement
[11:05] <dpm> popey, so these are built with the scripts to create the fat packages you mentioned a while ago, right? Where can I find them?
[11:05] <popey> they build on my laptop at the moment because it requires access to the click chroot
[11:06] <popey> I want to move it to "the cloud" though
[11:06] <dropp> davmor2: okay thanks, but what are the parameters? :)
[11:06] <popey> needs a lot of space for all the chroots
[11:08] <dropp> davmor2: it's used in this example: https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.Popups.Dialog/
[11:10] <dropp> davmor2: here is another example which uses a advanced version of it http://askubuntu.com/a/306562
[11:10] <davmor2> dropp: I'm not a dev I just knew how to look for the docs page.
[11:11] <dropp> davmor2: hehe, that's what i did in advance
[11:11] <davmor2> dropp: dpm maybe able to help you more
[11:13] <zsombi> nik90: did you manage to test the alarm thing?
[11:14] <dpm> t1mp, zsombi, perhaps you can help dropp with the question about where the PopupUtils.close() function is documented? I cannot find it under https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.Popups/
[11:15] <zsombi> dpm: for some reason none of the .js file documentation is taken...
[11:16] <dpm> zsombi, is qdoc building the docs?
[11:16] <zsombi> dpm: yes
[11:16] <nik90> zsombi: sry no..I am in the process now though
[11:17] <dropp> zsombi: so the docs will be available soon?
[11:17] <zsombi> dropp: I don't know how to fix that tbh
[11:17] <dropp> oh okay
[11:17] <dpm> zsombi, in that case, the doc should be available locally in the ubuntu-ui-toolkit-doc package
[11:17] * dpm looks
[11:17] <zsombi> dpm: yes, it should
[11:19] <dpm> zsombi, any hint on which of these it could be? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11729978/
[11:19] <zsombi> dpm: none, the qdoc doesn' teven take JS files in
[11:20] <dpm> zsombi, so the docs are not generated in the package, then?
[11:20] <zsombi> dpm: exactly
[11:20] <dpm> ok, so that's what needs to be fixed before they can be published in the site
[11:21] <Mirv> zbenjamin: ok the plugin compiled fine and I installed it in wily, but the plugin is not visible in QtC.. not sure what's wrong this time, the directories etc should be correct
[11:22] <zbenjamin> Mirv: meh, crap.. Did i maybe not merge all of your fixes?
[11:22] <dropp> zsombi, dpm: should i file a bug report somewhere?
[11:23] <Mirv> zbenjamin: tarball of the deb:s at http://people.ubuntu.com/~timo-jyrinki/QtCreator/
[11:24] <zbenjamin> Kaleo: does the Ubuntu.Components somehow change default fonts/ fontsizes / margins for the whole application? Because importing Ubuntu.Components does break the title in the new project wizard in QtCreator
[11:24] <zbenjamin> Kaleo: t1mp suggested you might know about that
[11:25] <Mirv> zbenjamin: sorry, correction, works!!
[11:25] <Mirv> zbenjamin: I've no idea what happened, I had them installed and then they woosh disappeared somehow.
[11:25] <zbenjamin> Mirv: so it works?
[11:26] <dpm> dropp, yes, please on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+filebug
[11:26] <dpm> thanks!
[11:27] <Mirv> zbenjamin: ah, I accidentally ran dpkg -i *.deb outside of the wily, not inside..
[11:27] <Mirv> zbenjamin: so yes, sorry for the alarm :) seems good!
[11:27] <zsombi> zbenjamin: we set the default font, in the plugin
[11:27] <zbenjamin> Mirv: awesome :D
[11:27] <zbenjamin> zsombi: do you know where?
[11:27] <zsombi> zbenjamin: in the plugin itself, we set Ubuntu family font
[11:34] <zbenjamin> zsombi: sooo should i add the UITK to that bug as well?
[11:36] <zsombi> zbenjamin: you can, but no idea how to fix that
[11:37] <zsombi> zbenjamin: what you can try is not to set the size, perhaps that would be enough
[11:38] <zsombi> zbenjamin: like QGuiApplication::getFont(), set the family, and set it back, perhaps that would be enough for the toolkit and for the QWidgets as well
[11:38] <zsombi> zbenjamin: also, set the weight
[11:38] <zsombi> and try it out
[11:40] <zbenjamin> zsombi: hm yeah i could reset the default font back after i loaded the uitk
[11:42] <Mirv> zbenjamin: tried building the plugin in PPA :D https://launchpadlibrarian.net/209307420/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu_3.5.0%2B15.10.20150617-0ubuntu1~wily1~test1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:42] <Mirv> zbenjamin: that error is because of the directory mangling/hardcoding
[11:47] <zbenjamin> zsombi: that fixes it , indeed
[11:48] <zbenjamin> zsombi: why do we need to set the default font in the first place?
[11:56] <nik90> zsombi: I am unable to get clock app to crash on vivid desktop before applying your fix.
[11:56] <nik90> zsombi: what steps did you take to get it to crash?
[11:57] <nik90> I have one alarm and tried enabling/disabling it a couple of times. Changed the alarm time, labels etc..
[12:02] <nik90> popey: Can you help me test https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/lock-portrait-orientation/+merge/262053
[12:04] <popey> nik90: sure can
[12:04] <nik90> popey: be sure to be on r162 to get shell rotation
[12:05] <popey> kk
[12:05] * nik90 brb in 5 misn
[12:08] <popey> nik90: hmm, i dont have a device with shell rotation enabled.
[12:13] <nik90> popey: which device and channel?
[12:14] <popey> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en on arale, 27
[12:14] <popey> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en on krillin, 38
[12:15] <nik90> popey: for N4 it seems we have shell-rotation on r262 but not on r163...turns out r163 is a OTA-4 image for testing purposes. The same could have been done for the BQ and Meize rc-proposed images..not sure
[12:15] <popey> I no longer have an n4
[12:15] <nik90> popey: oh wow .. upgrading to newer devices eh ;)
[12:15] <popey> hah
[12:16] <nik90> no worries I will wait for victor since I am not sure about the meizu and bq image status
[12:16] <ogra_> popey, ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en 27 definitely has shell rotation here
[12:17] <ogra_> (since 25 actually)
[12:17] <popey> oh, so it does
[12:18] <popey> sorry nik90, my mistake
[12:18] <nik90> popey: do you need a click?
[12:18] <popey> nah, i can make one
[12:18] <nik90> k
[12:22] <rpadovani> mzanetti, o/
[12:22] <mzanetti> rpadovani, hey
[12:23] <rpadovani> mzanetti, so, improve-viewer and content-hub have to be reviewed, right?
[12:23] <mzanetti> yep
[12:30] <karni> zbenjamin: where can I learn what the load(ubuntu-click) magic does?
[12:33] <zbenjamin> karni: check out the /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/mkspecs/features/ubuntu-click.prf file
[12:33] <karni> thank you zbenjamin, exactly what I've been looking for
[12:33] <zbenjamin> karni: and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/mkspecs/features/ubuntu-click-tools.prf
[12:33] <karni> :)
[12:34] <zbenjamin> karni: the *-tools file is loaded after your project settings have been parsed, the ubunu-click.prf is loaded when load() is executed
[12:34] <karni> zbenjamin: great, thank you :)
[12:50] <zsombi> zbenjamin: we need to set the default font because Qt brings Sans font and not Ubuntu
[12:51] <zsombi> zbenjamin: and setting the font in every label has performance impact, beside text inputs won't use the default font
[12:51] <zsombi> nik90: I had the same: I enabled a disabled alarm...
[12:52] <zsombi> nik90: the alarm did not change its position in the model, then it crashed... not every time, but after I did the changes, I never got it crashing anynore
[12:53] <nik90> zsombi: I am atm testing it on the phone by getting to crash before and then verifying after the patch is applied
[12:53] <zsombi> nik90: cool, thx
[12:53] <zsombi> nik90: I get to finish the MultiColumnView before I leave, so I'm pretty busy now, thx for help
[12:54] <nik90> zsombi: np..I will commment on the MP after I am done
[12:55] <zsombi> nik90: the prob is that I'll be away after that...
[12:56] <nik90> zsombi: oh on hols? Then go ahead with the merge
[12:56] <karni> Is MultiColumnView available somewhere for testing?
[12:56] <zsombi> karni: comin in staging soon
[12:56] <karni> is it the one related to different behavior of PageStack for converged UIs?
[12:56] <karni> zsombi: cheers
[12:56] <zsombi> karni: but Header work is still to come from t1mp
[12:57] * karni nod
[12:57] <nik90> zsombi: I cannot reliably validate it without taking more time. You should approve it if you're confident.
[12:57] <zsombi> karni: yep
[12:57] <zsombi> nik90: I can be confident if your test shows different thing
[12:58] <zsombi> nik90: beside. it was made against trunk, so it needs a landing...
[12:58] <zsombi> nik90: however, if this goes to ota5, then we have time
[12:59] <zsombi> karni: https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/multicolumnview/+merge/261703
[13:01] <karni> zsombi: nice :)
[13:04] <zsombi> karni: note, MultiColumnView with 1 column will be the PageStack
[13:04] <karni> makes sense
[13:04] <zsombi> so most probably PageStack will be based on MultiColumnView
[13:05] <karni> zsombi: when are these expected to be available for testing in staging? (this + usable header, in case current work is required)?
[13:06] <zsombi> karni: the final is expected to be in staging by wk31, but the header work should be there within 2 weeks
[13:07] <zsombi> karni: so stable will be on wk31
[13:07] <zsombi> 32
[13:07] <zsombi> eventually
[13:07] <karni> zsombi: sorry, I don't have week numbers enabled in calendar. what does that translate to in human speech :D?
[13:07] <karni> 2 weeks sounds good :)
[13:08] <karni> great, actually
[13:08] <zsombi> karni: I have a proto for the Messaging app to test it, so you can check that https://code.launchpad.net/~zsombi/messaging-app/prototypeWithMCV
[13:09] <zsombi> karni: the adaptive column handling is good to go actually
[13:09] <zsombi> karni: we are on wk 25 now
[13:09] <karni> oh that's cool!
[13:09] <karni> aha :)
[13:09] <zsombi> karni: we may optimize it, or perhaps redo it if we see that we need some major header refactoring to get the header working properly
[13:10] <zsombi> karni: and header work is the bigger bone in this storry
[13:10] <karni> zsombi: sure, np. it'll be a while before I can lay my hands on it
[13:10] <zsombi> karni: I am writing some tests now and then it is ready for t1mp to continue with the header
[13:11] <karni> :thumbsup:
[13:11] <zsombi> karni: I'd recommend to play with the idea on using it, so we can get early feedback on API if we need to change sthing
[13:11] <zsombi> or if sthing is not clear from the docs
[13:13] <nik90> zsombi: good news..i got it to crash once before applying patch..haven't had it crash after applying patch and reproducing steps again..
[13:13] <zsombi> nik90: huhh...
[13:14] <nik90> zsombi: i had clock app open and changed the timezone manually .. and alarm can be enabled/disabled without any crash
[13:14] <nik90> on the phone that is
[13:14] <nik90> I had no luck on vivid desktop
[13:14] <zsombi> bzoltan: ^
[13:18] <nik90> zsombi: commented and approved in MP
[13:18] <zsombi> nik90: thx!!!
[13:18] <zsombi> nik90: as said, we may need to move this to ota5 :(
[13:19] <nik90> zsombi: that's fine..I am stil going to go ahead with a new clock app release since this crash exists in today's OTA-4 image.
[13:19] <nik90> zsombi: so clock-app is not the cause and shouldn't be blocked. I will take it up with popey and QA later today.
[13:19] <zsombi> nik90: cool!
[13:19] <seb128> nik90, what you said earlier, it means no stopwatch added to the default image before the16.04?
[13:20] <nik90> seb128: I am more or less sure unfortunately. The SDK will provide timer API only in 16.04 and I doubt I will get designs for stopwatch or timer before that happens with current focus on convergence.
[13:21] <seb128> nik90, do we need design to work on that? can't that just be hacked in whatever way you find to work and tweaked/redesigned later?
[13:22] <Elleo> nik90: looks like that menu rotation bug is fixed with the shell rotation stuff, so we can just land the rotation branch without automaticOrientation and then it'll start automatically working with OTA5 (since you no longer need to set automaticOrientation with shell rotation, it's controlled in the .desktop file then)
[13:23] <nik90> seb128: the problem is we don't use a standard tabs navigation model...once I add Tabs, the main clock app will get a page header and pretty much kill the clean look of the clock app. And I don't want to keep rewriting the clock app again and again because of design changes.
[13:23] <seb128> nik90, I see, I guess users can install one of the click store apps then ;-)
[13:23] <seb128> nik90, thanks
[13:24] <nik90> seb128: yeah .. its way too much work with fixing the autopilot, qml tests and so much that it just isn't worth the effort especially when later designs will be completely different :/
[13:25] <nik90> Elleo: it does fix it. I disabled automaticOrientation (as it was by default) in my branch. So yes we can land it as it is.
[13:26] <zsombi> t1mp: I feel we would need a function in MultiColumnView which would clear all the pages added...
[13:27] <t1mp> zsombi: we have removePages(page) already. If you pass the root page there, it clears everything.
[13:27] <seb128> nik90, why do you disable rotation?
[13:27] <zsombi> t1mp: well, the first column can have many "root" pages
[13:28] <nik90> seb128: because the clock app designs that I have up until now indicate that clock app was meant to run in the side-stage.
[13:28] <zsombi> t1mp: if you add a page with null page reference, that means the first column gets a new root, sibling to the other one, as the first colum pages do not have common parents
[13:28] <nik90> seb128: until I get further designs, best just to lock it in portrait mode.
[13:29] <seb128> k
[13:29] <seb128> it seems to work mostly fine in landscape, just miss some scrollable
[13:29] <seb128> but your choice I guess ;-)
[13:29] <t1mp> zsombi: still, you have a stack, even though with multiple columns. Each row in the stack only has one Page. So there is a top-most row (or bottom-most depending how you build it up)
[13:29] <t1mp> (bottom is better, since top() is usually the last page added)
[13:30] <zsombi> t1mp: dude... removePages(page) removes a tree
[13:30] <zsombi> t1mp: it removes all child pages of the given page including the page
[13:30] <t1mp> zsombi: yes
[13:30] <t1mp> zsombi: what would the clear function do?
[13:30] <zsombi> t1mp: so, if you add two pages to the first column, and you remove the first added one, that won't remove the second one
[13:31] <nik90> seb128: I just thought clock, address-book and dialer were similar in that aspect and designed to be in the side-stage, later we can use MultiColumn view and Flickable when we get to that stage.
[13:31] <zsombi> t1mp: because they can be both added with addPageToCurrentColumn(null, page);
[13:31] <zsombi> t1of course we can say that this is not good...
[13:31] <seb128> nik90, k
[13:31] <t1mp> zsombi: if you addToCurrent(page1); addToCurrent(page2), then removePages(page1) should remove both page1 and page2
[13:32] <zsombi> t1mp: and we can say that addPageTo[Current/Next]Column should always get a valid sourcePage property
[13:32] <zsombi> t1mp: you keep forgetting the second parameter man
[13:32] <zsombi> t1mp: the sourcePage
[13:33] <t1mp> zsombi: the sourcePage should be the first parameter, so you cannot leave it out
[13:33] <zsombi> t1mp: we are no longer working a s a stack, we are working as a tree
[13:33] <t1mp> zsombi: that's how you have it in the doc also
[13:33] <zsombi> t1mp: heh???!
[13:33] <zsombi> yes
[13:33] <zsombi> t1mp: but you can set it as null
[13:33] <zsombi> t1mp: in which case it adds to the first column
[13:33] <t1mp> let's not allow that, that will mess up everything
[13:33] <zsombi> t1mp: without having any parent page
[13:34] <zsombi> t1mp: ok, that's what I wanted to say
[13:34] <t1mp> ok
[13:34] <zsombi> t1mp: so the first page must then be set with primaryPage, right?
[13:34] <t1mp> yeah
[13:34] <zsombi> t1mp: deal
[13:34] <zsombi> :)
[13:34] <t1mp> and when adding a new page, its parentPage must be in the tree already
[13:35] <t1mp> not sure if parentPage is the best name though, because we have parents in the tree of Items already
[13:35] <t1mp> hmm
[13:35] <White> Hi everyone
[13:35] <t1mp> well parent is a very generic name that makes sense often to use
[13:35] <White> What's the topic?
[13:36] <zsombi> t1mp: sourcePage is we call aint we
[13:37] <t1mp> zsombi: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bSoEynFzD3VAB8kLJW4lcVgtlEzwEF5_RicNQTIA-RY/edit# needs to be updated then
[13:37] <t1mp> zsombi: also the API at the top does not match the API a bit further down
[13:37] <zsombi> ah, ok
[13:45] <zsombi> t1mp: updated
[13:45] <zsombi> t1mp: also, should we allow to remove the primaryPage?
[13:45] <zsombi> t1mp: I think we shouldn't
[13:45] <t1mp> zsombi: don't forget https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/100-SectionBar/+merge/260502
[13:45] <t1mp> zsombi: no we don't allow to remove primaryPage
[13:46] <zsombi> t1mp: ok
[13:46] <zsombi> t1mp: update components.api
[13:46] <t1mp> zsombi: I did. The jenkins results are not from the latest revision
[13:46] <zsombi> t1mp: your MR fails
[13:46] <t1mp> FAILED: Continuous integration, rev:1558
[13:46] <t1mp> the last revision is 1564
[13:47] <zsombi> aha
[14:25] <zsombi> t1mp: happroved
[14:28] <t1mp> zsombi: great, thanks!
[14:30] <zsombi> t1mp: MultiColumnView MR is ready for you
[14:31] <t1mp> zsombi: ok, I was just checking it
[14:31] <t1mp> zsombi: you may want to change the commit message :)
[14:31] <zsombi> t1mp: yes, I will: )
[14:31] <zsombi> t1mp: done :)
[14:42] <t1mp> zsombi: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bSoEynFzD3VAB8kLJW4lcVgtlEzwEF5_RicNQTIA-RY/edit#
[14:42] <t1mp> zsombi: ^ColumnViewConfiguration should be ColumnMetrics?
[14:43] <vitimiti> Can I set the parent of a pop up by using PopupUtils.open(component, parent)?
[15:08] <t1mp> vitimiti: no. The parent is always the root window, otherwise the popup cannot position itself freely in that window. But you can set the caller of the pop up
[15:10] <vitimiti> t1mp, I am trying to open a second dialog from a first dialog, but if I close the first dialog while doing so, the second one will be completely blocked, I can't press any buttons on it and have to close the window. The dialogs end up stacking up on the screen. Is there a solution for this? (can give the code)
[15:17] <t1mp> we don't support stacking of dialogs
[15:17] <t1mp> are there any designers around to give advice here?
[15:18] <t1mp> Femma_: ^?
[15:21] <Femma_> Stacking of dialogs is not a good idea
[15:22] <t1mp> vitimiti: what is your use case?
[15:23] <vitimiti> t1mp, I have a help dialog that would have two buttons: one is a "OK" button that should simply close the dialog, and the other one is an "About" button that opens a second dialog. If I don't close the Help dialog I can clearly see how the screen goes darker and darker as they stack on top of each other and the Help dialog is there after closing the About dialog. But if I close the Help dialog when opening the About dialog, the About
[15:23] <vitimiti> dialog's buttons won't work
[15:31] <t1mp> Femma_: ^do we have a pattern for cases like that?
[16:37] <mihir> hey popey
[16:37] <mihir> popey: could you suggest something on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1464459 ?
[16:37] <mihir> like which color would be better, or should we wait for the UX input ?
[16:42] <popey> hey mihir
[16:42] <popey> mihir: will ask design :)
[16:43] <mihir> popey: okay :)
[16:43] <popey> thanks mihir
[16:43] <popey> how you doing ?
[16:43] <mihir> popey: doing good , i know after long time was struggling for settling in new phase of life , finally kind of set up
[16:45] <popey> All settled in now?
[16:45] <JMulholland> mihir popey i’ll check on the latest from Visual Design
[16:45] <popey> thanks JMulholland
[16:45] <popey> See, I didn't even have to ask
[16:45] <JMulholland> theire doing some substantial work on overhauling style atm
[16:45] <JMulholland> *theyre
[16:47] <mihir> JMulholland: great just comment on that bug once you have final call for the same.
[16:51] <JMulholland> will do!
[16:52] <JMulholland> ^ mihir
[18:42] <rarara> hi people. I am trying to get started with app development in touch. However, all the examples in qtcreator contain an include of "../shared/shared.h" which is not present. How can I get it working? locate doesn't find any file like that and i didn't find anything on google. care to help?
[18:47] <nik90> rarara: yeah I have the same issue as well. I ended up just following the tutorial at developer.ubuntu.com when I started long time ago.
[18:58] <rarara> nik90: is the tutorial up to date? I will do it but the sdk is still installing
[18:59] * nik90 checks
[19:00] <nik90> rarara: more or less they are..they are using some older imports but those will still work.
[19:01] <nik90> rarara: once you install ubuntu-sdk and use qtcreator, it has further detailed API information that you can read to know more about using a specific component.
[19:01] <nik90> rarara: how familiar are you with qt/qml programming?
[19:18] <nik90> mzanetti: Fixed portrait orientation for fahrplan at https://github.com/smurfy/fahrplan/pull/213. I had to lock it since it breaks badly in some places in landscape mode.
[19:18] <nik90> mzanetti: I think it would be best to wait for MultiColumnView to land in the Ubuntu SDK before we start work on landscape mode.
[19:19] <mzanetti> nik90, wow. that was fast
[19:20] <mzanetti> ah, you locked it down
[19:20] <mzanetti> nik90, works for me
[19:21] <nik90> mzanetti: had too..the OSK takes way too much space in landscape mode for the stations page to be of any use
[19:21] <nik90> s/had too/I had to
[19:21] <mzanetti> right... have this problem in more places
[19:22] <nik90> yes.
[19:23] <nik90> mzanetti: I tried to make a slightly fancier design by using icons to denote duration, station etc..but the listview starts crawling slowly..seems performance is good only without any icons.
[19:24] <mzanetti> huh
[19:24] <mzanetti> icons shouldn't be *that* bad
[19:26] <nik90> not sure what went wrong when I tried that..I will create like a demo branch to prove it :)
[20:30] <dubstar_04> is there any documentation for creating layouts with OptionSelector?
[20:38] <dubstar_04> Anyone here?
[20:40] <ogra_> it is more busy during the european workday ...
[20:43] <dubstar_04> Where are we supposed to get support as developers?
[20:53] <ogra_> here
[20:58] <dubstar_04> no one ever answers questions in here.
[20:59] <ogra_> thsi afternoon it was very busy ... in europe is is simply late and most devs seem to be in that timezome
[22:53] <totojay> hi
[22:55] <totojay> i'm french and i want to install touch on my nexus 5 under hammerhead anyone know xhere i can find a wikihow
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[05:09] <pitti> mhall119: that sounds a bit like our merge-o-matic?
[05:09] <pitti> Good morning
[05:10] <pitti> infinity, Laney: can we please ignore the broken tests for linux 4.0.0-2.4 as well?
[05:12] <infinity> pitti: It's broken for other reasons, we're not letting it migrate right now.
[05:13] <infinity> pitti: But if you want to ignore it for something waiting on it, sure.
[05:13] <pitti> infinity: ok; but it blocks other packages
[05:13] <infinity> pitti: Fixing.
[05:13] <pitti> infinity: cheers!
[05:33] <pitti> jdstrand: I'm merging libseccomp2 again (it's rather trivial), I need Debian's -2 to unbreak separate /usr; I hope you don't mind?
[05:38] <sarnold> pitti: that's almost certainly fine, the last changelog entry looks like there's not many local changes remaining
[05:39] <pitti> sarnold: no, just adding the autopkgtest
[05:39] <pitti> and the only change in -2 is to move the library from /usr to /lib
[05:39] <sarnold> pitti: at least, jdstrand's usually good about keeping his changelogs precise and accurate :)
[05:39] <pitti> sarnold: yes, and the patches.u.c. diff agrees with him :)
[05:40] <sarnold> pitti: are the 'new' library paths still covered by the apparmor <abstractions/base> file?
[05:40] <pitti> sarnold: oh, do we do per-library paths in apparmor? /me checks
[05:40] <pitti> grep -r seccomp /etc/apparmor* → no hits
[05:40] <sarnold> pitti: not usually.. I ust wanted to make sure that these weren't going someplace unexpected :)
[05:41] <pitti> no, just the standard /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ (or whatever the architecture is)
[05:41] <sarnold> pitti: how have I been here nearly three years and never seen patches.ubuntu.com??? this is awesome. thanks. :)
[05:41] <pitti> like libc.so.6 or libdbus and stuff
[05:41] <pitti> sarnold: heh -- it's a by-product of MoM (merges.ubuntu.com)
[05:43] <sarnold> this is cool, I've thought before that relying upon the changelog to keep track of the ubuntu/debian delta was prone to mistakes. this is great :)
[05:44] <pitti> sarnold: but you did see MoM, I hope? that also gives you both diffs
[05:44] <sarnold> pitti: I think I've only ever seen the summary universe.html and so on there..
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:13] <dkessel> good morning dholbach
[07:16] <dholbach> hey dkessel
[07:22] <dholbach> mitya57, did you upload ubuntu-packaging-guide already?
[07:23] <mitya57> dholbach, oops, I forgot :/
[07:23] <mitya57> Will do now :)
[07:23] <dholbach> awesome, thanks!
[07:51] <mitya57> dholbach, uploaded (will be in NEW queue though)
[07:52] <dholbach> thanks a lot mitya57!
[07:52] <mitya57> Sorry for forgetting :)
[07:52] <dholbach> no worries :)
[08:05] <infinity> pitti: What's the state of the art on reproducing adt failures locally?
[08:05] <pitti> infinity: hasn't changed in a long time -- easiest is to use the qemu runner
[08:05] <pitti> infinity: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html#executing-the-test
[08:06] <pitti> infinity: the biggest difference is the internet proxy that we (have to) use in production
[08:06] <pitti> otherwise it's pretty much exactly the same
[08:06] <infinity> pitti: Kay. Can I run a single test there, or will it just run everything in debian/tests/control unconditionally?
[08:06] <pitti> infinity: you can use --testname to run a single test
[08:06] <infinity> pitti: Shiny. Thanks.
[08:06] <pitti> adt-run --testname mytest1 mysrc
[08:07] <pitti> infinity: and usually you want -s too
[08:07] <pitti> (--shell-on-failure)
[08:07] <infinity> pitti: I think I had all this going at one point, then new laptop happened.
[08:07] <pitti> infinity: well, it's really just one "adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud" command away :)
[08:08] <pitti> infinity: and yeah, getting new laptop beats destroying a throwaway VM any time :)
[08:08] <infinity> Apparently, cloud-images.ubuntu.com is connected to the internet with a bendy straw.
[08:09] <pitti> oh, is it slow for you?
[08:09] <infinity> pitti: Around 1MB/s, looks like.
[08:09] <infinity> pitti: So, slow for me.
[08:09] <pitti> up to vivid it was reasonably fast here, then in April/May it was ridiculously slow, and now it magically fixed itself again to be as moderately-fast as before
[08:09] <pitti> infinity: so, best not to look at it :)
[08:10] <infinity> A watched image never downloads?
[08:17] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: Are you connected to the VPN; I've sometimes seen image downloads routed through that.
[08:17] <Odd_Bloke> s/the VPN/the Canonical VPN/
[08:17] <Odd_Bloke> Which is obviously sloooow.
[08:17] <infinity> pitti: If I'm just experimenting with debian/tests, I assume I want something like '--unbuilt-tree foo-1.2.3-1 -B'?
[08:18] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: Yeah. Until we fix it to allow me to be connected to both endpoints, that's probably my issue.
[08:18] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: I do occasionally forget I have that issue, though. :P
[08:19] <pitti> infinity: put the -B before (it only applies to the next test argument), but in principle yes
[08:19] <pitti> infinity: I usually use something like "adt-run ./ --- qemu ...", typing laziness
[08:19] <pitti> infinity: <dir>/ is an abbreviation for --built-tree <dir>
[08:19] <pitti> and <dir>// for --unbuilt-tree <dir>
[08:20] <pitti> greetings from iwj from 9 years ago :)
[08:23] <infinity> pitti: Hahaha.
[08:28] <infinity> pitti: FWIW, --testname isn't documented in the manpage.
[08:31] <infinity> pitti: Erm, and my first derp. Clearly this isn't performing exactly how prod does...
[08:31] <infinity> Source Package Version: 4.0.0-2.4
[08:31] <infinity> Running Kernel Version: 3.19.0-20.20
[08:31] <infinity> ERROR: running version does not match source package
[08:32] <pitti> infinity: man> thanks, fixed in http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git/commit/?id=16eb56eac
[08:33] <pitti> infinity: well, production gets called on a source package; I assume your test that does this comparison is newer than the binaries in wily?
[08:33] <pitti> infinity: i. e. if your --built-tree is newer, you also need to include the newer .debs in the adt-run to run against those instead of wily's binaries
[08:33] <infinity> pitti: I'm running against a source package that matches the binaries in wily-proposed. Which means the testbed needs to upgrade and reboot. Which I assume it does in prod.
[08:34] <pitti> infinity: or enable proposed
[08:34] <infinity> pitti: proposed is enabled on the commandline.
[08:34] <pitti> infinity: yes, that's mentioned on http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/auto-pkg-test.html#executing-the-test
[08:34] <infinity> Oh, wait, maybe I missed -U
[08:34] <infinity> Let's see if that fixes it.
[08:35] <pitti> infinity: yes, --apt-pocket only adds the apt source, doesn't run apt-get
[08:36] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, bad copy-pasta on my part.
[08:36] <infinity> Ahh, lovely.
[08:36] <infinity> adt-run [02:36:44]: rebooting testbed after setup commands that affected boot
[08:36] <infinity> That looks more promising.
[09:20] <mardy> mvo: hi! Do you have some minutes to help me investigate bug 1454210?
[09:23] <mvo> mardy: let me have a look
[09:27] <mvo> mardy: that bug is confusing, so it only removes evernote accounts but nothing else? click does not touch userdata (yet) on upgrade. it will stop the app though
[09:29] <mardy> mvo: so, we have a click hook in OA, which has a pattern to copy some files to ~/.local/share/online-accounts-hooks/
[09:30] <mardy> mvo: then we have a hook processor which reads these files and generates a more elaborated version under ~/.local/share/accounts/providers/
[09:30] <mardy> mvo: this hook processor also takes care of removing stale files and accounts, when the corresponding app gets removed
[09:31] <mardy> mvo: the way it works, is that it scans ~/.local/share/accounts/providers/, and then it tries to find the corresponding originating file in ~/.local/share/online-accounts-hooks/
[09:31] <mardy> if it doesn't find it, then it deduces that the app has been removed, and therefore removes the file in ~/.local/share/accounts/providers/ and any created accounts
[09:32] <mardy> mvo: does this sound correct to you? ^
[09:32] <mardy> mvo_: did you miss some lines?
[09:32] <mvo_> mardy: sorry, network issues, the last I got was "seconds)
mvo: this hook processor also takes care of removing stale files and accounts, when the corresponding app gets removed"
[09:32] <mardy> mvo_: ok, I'll repaste
[09:32] <mardy> mvo_: the way it works, is that it scans ~/.local/share/accounts/providers/, and then it tries to find the corresponding originating file in ~/.local/share/online-accounts-hooks/
[09:33] <mardy> mvo_: if it doesn't find it, then it deduces that the app has been removed, and therefore removes the file in ~/.local/share/accounts/providers/ and any created accounts
[09:33] <mardy> mvo_: does this sound correct to you? ^
[09:33] <mardy> mvo_: the files are named after the short app id (that is, without the version number)
[09:34] <mvo_> mardy: yes, makes sense
[09:34] <mvo_> mardy: so one fix would be for click to behave differently I guess - I need to look first why its doing what its doing
[09:34] <mardy> mvo_: mmm... actually, wait... the hook pattern we use keeps the version number
[09:35] <mardy> mvo_: ok, I guess that I have something to fix there, I should try to match the unversioned file
[09:35] <mvo_> mardy: ok, thanks. let me know how it goes and good luck :)
[09:35] <mardy> mvo_: ok, if you don't here from me, then all it's good on your side :-)
[09:36] <mvo_> :)
[09:36] <mvo_> ok
[09:46] <jamespage> please could an archive-admin merge lp:~james-page/+junk/sync-backlist-openstack into the sync backlist - some updates for openstack projects
[09:47] <jamespage> thanks
[09:51] <cjwatson> jamespage: I remain confused why we're blacklisting these at all.
[09:51] <cjwatson> jamespage: Surely we have "ubuntu" substrings in our versions.
[09:52] <jamespage> cjwatson, I'm happy just to drop them all tbh - I just tripped on trying to sync a client package from debian
[09:52] <jamespage> cjwatson, you are quite correct - they would always show as a merge
[09:54] <jamespage> cjwatson, ok I've dropped all openstack packages from my branch - ok to go with that?
[09:54] <cjwatson> jamespage: The only one there might be any justification for would be openstack-meta-packages
[09:54] <cjwatson> jamespage: Do you want that to pop into wily?
[09:55] <jamespage> cjwatson, let me check on openstack-meta-packages
[10:24] <infinity> jamespage: openstack-meta-packages probably conflicts conceptually with the "openstack" package that I'm waiting on stokachu to reupload.
[10:25] <infinity> jamespage: It doesn't actually conflict, but I imagine confusion if we ship both.
[10:38] <jamespage> infinity, ok - lets leave that blacklisted still - I think it relies on a load of features in the debian versions of those packages we don't support in ubuntu
[10:40] <jamespage> infinity, cjwatson: lp:~james-page/+junk/sync-backlist-openstack updated
[10:43] <caribou> Q: When adding an upstart job to an existing package, does the sysVinit script get automatically inhibited or we need to add the 'init_is_upstart' override ?
[10:44] <ogra_> caribou, for what release ?
[10:44] <caribou> ogra_: Trusty
[10:44] <ogra_> upstart is gone (for system statup)
[10:44] <ogra_> ah
[10:44] <caribou> ogra_: yeah, I know it's for a Trusty SRU
[10:45] <caribou> ok, I think I found the answer :
[10:46] <caribou> when the package is installed with an upstart job, the sysVinit script is installed but not enabled
[10:47] <caribou> I'll put the override, in case someone enable the script by accident
[10:47] <cjwatson> jamespage: merged; give it 5min or so to propagate before you try syncpackage again
[10:47] <cjwatson> caribou: You should follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UpstartCompatibleInitScripts
[10:48] <caribou> cjwatson: thanks for the URL
[10:52] <jamespage> cjwatson, thankyou
[12:42] <rbasak> infinity: around? docker.io backports incoming. Preview in https://launchpad.net/~docker-maint/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages - do you want me to just throw all of this at the SRU queues?
[12:42] <rbasak> infinity: bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/docker.io/+bug/1454719 - shall I create a task for each package being backported?
[12:48] <infinity> rbasak: Should be tasks for everything, yes.
[13:12] <rbasak> infinity: OK bug updated and everything is in the queue now
[13:13] <infinity> rbasak: Ta.
[13:32] <LocutusOfBorg1> Hi Folks, I see libjsoncpp still in universe pocket, is it normal?
[13:32] <LocutusOfBorg1> talking about bug 1461517 and comment #3
[13:33] <LocutusOfBorg1> there is a serious bug against libjsoncpp and I merged in Debian the relevant delta
[13:33] <LocutusOfBorg1> so I would like to ask a plain sync ASAP
[13:33] <LocutusOfBorg1> but I don't know how this deals with the MIR request
[13:34] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: I'll have a look at both.
[13:34] <LocutusOfBorg1> infinity, it's almost dinstall time in debian
[13:34] <LocutusOfBorg1> so the sync is not possible (yet) I guess ;)
[13:34] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks!
[13:34] <doko> wgrant, stealing your ustr merge
[13:35] <mhall119> pitti: I'm not familiar with merge-o-matic
[13:35] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Where's this new cmake that the MIR talks about?
[13:35] <LocutusOfBorg1> -proposed I guess
[13:36] <infinity> Oh, so it is.
[13:36] <LocutusOfBorg1> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/3.2.2-2ubuntu1
[13:36] <infinity> component-mismatches-proposed isn't showing the promotion. Grr.
[13:36] <LocutusOfBorg1> (I feel guilty for the cmake merge, this is why I'm bothering so much :p )
[13:37] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Guilt is a good motivator.
[13:37] <LocutusOfBorg1> :)
[13:37] <LocutusOfBorg1> and the love for cmake is a good motivator for a merge
[13:38] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Tell me more about this "broken shlibs file" fixed in -4...
[13:38] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Is it so broken that we don't want things building against -3?
[13:39] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Should I remove it from -proposed?
[13:39] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes, exactly
[13:39] <LocutusOfBorg1> that would be awesome
[13:39] <LocutusOfBorg1> it isn't generating the shlibs:depends correctly, so packages built against libjsoncpp-dev won't depend on libjsoncpp0
[13:40] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Oh, that's quite unfortunate. Do we know if anything's been built with that breakage so far? :/
[13:40] <LocutusOfBorg1> please look at the debian bug in -release
[13:40] <LocutusOfBorg1> I can do something similar for ubuntu
[13:41] <LocutusOfBorg1> anyway I guess the answer is "nothing"
[13:42] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: If you could check the rdeps and see if anything was built against the broken version, that would be great.
[13:42] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Hopefully, the answer is no, but best to know.
[13:42] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: And I've removed it from -proposed for now. -4 can be synced when LP learns about it.
[13:43] <LocutusOfBorg1> sysdig is built against the old jsoncpp
[13:43] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks
[13:46] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: sysdig is broken on ARM anyway, can kill two birds with one stone by just deleting it and waiting for a new Debian sync that fixes that. :P
[13:48] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Anything else?
[13:50] <LocutusOfBorg1> much stuff built against the old version
[13:50] <LocutusOfBorg1> kopete was a lucky case, uploaded the day before libjsoncpp, but I looked at all the build logs and they are fine (picked up the old one everywhere)
[13:52] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Just so I'm sure I'm parsing that correctly: the only broken package was sysdig, then?
[13:52] <LocutusOfBorg1> no
[13:52] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Which I've just removed wholesale, since it was FTBFS on ARM anyway, so meh. No need to rebuild it.
[13:53] <LocutusOfBorg1> broken is anything depending on 0.10.2-1+
[13:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> and nothing is built against it
[13:54] <LocutusOfBorg1> many packages are built against the old 0.6 who was fine
[13:54] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Okay, that's what I said. :)
[13:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> I just had a trouble for kopete, uploaded on the day before, but it built quickly
[13:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> and with the old version
[13:55] <LocutusOfBorg1> so I guess syncing it, and MIRing it would be fine
[13:55] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: MIR already sorted.
[13:55] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Can sync when LP knows what's up.
[13:56] <LocutusOfBorg1> so now cmake starts building?
[13:56] <infinity> Should do soon, yeah.
[13:56] <infinity> Assuming it can build against 0.6
[13:56] <infinity> (If it can't, it should have a versioned build-dep, which it doesn't, so...)
[13:57] <LocutusOfBorg1> wow, yes, actually I built and tested against 0.6
[13:57] <LocutusOfBorg1> I got the trouble because my ppa had universe enabled
[14:00] <LocutusOfBorg1> the only problem is actually than the old jsoncpp wasn't versioning correctly
[14:00] <LocutusOfBorg1> infinity, is that a problem?
[14:01] <LocutusOfBorg1> bug 1218220
[14:01] <LocutusOfBorg1> this is why I was trying to merge the new one
[14:02] <pitti> Laney: in case you are interested, the udisks2 regression is tracked in bug 1466081
[14:02] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: I don't recall what I meant by that, since it was two years ago...
[14:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> it was lacking of a sane versioning ABI
[14:03] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: Okay, well, it's still libjsoncpp0, I don't see how that solved the problem. :P
[14:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> and this is fixed with the new one, I would like to cancel cmake builds and wait for the new jsoncpp, but you are the boss, not me :)
[14:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> this is "fixed" because upstream tracks ABI changes closely now
[14:04] <LocutusOfBorg1> http://upstream.rosalinux.ru/versions/jsoncpp.html
[14:07] <doko> tracking ABI changes closely and keeping the soversion?
[14:10] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes, I should bother them to bump the soversion
[14:10] <doko> infinity, can you do the dpkg merge?
[14:11] <jdstrand> pitti: re seccomp, I don't mind at all. merge away :)
[14:13] <pitti> jdstrand: ack :)
[14:13] <jdstrand> pitti: fyi, I also did submittodebian on the autopkgtests and I'm discussing that with Debian
[14:14] <pitti> jdstrand: yes; I asked kees yesterday and he seemed to think the nature of these tests is more like "upstream test suite", not a package integration one
[14:15] <infinity> doko: Yeah, I think 1.18.1 has probably cooked enough by now.
[14:15] <jdstrand> yes, he does. I think he is right about some but not all :) we'll figure it out
[14:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> is cmake https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cmake/3.2.2-2ubuntu1 still building on armhf?
[14:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'm getting oops
[14:20] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: LP bug. Under investigation. :P
[14:20] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: I might have hit a button too hard.
[14:22] <LocutusOfBorg1> is that your hand? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41fXAZENBZL.jpg
[14:43] <doko> pitti, could you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sessioninstaller/+bug/1440368 ? or find somebody from desktop (although this is foundations)
[14:48] <Laney> pitti: thanks for looking, seems like a real real regression - yay for tests
[15:27] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg1: DB row fixed, that build is (I'm told) intentionally cancelled.
[15:35] <barry> slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-pip/+bug/1324391/comments/19 (thanks bdmurray!)
[15:36] <hyperair> hi. could someone let banshee into vivid-updates please? the bug has been marked verified-done for a while now
[15:37] <bdmurray> looking
[15:41] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes cjwatson it should be cancelled, thanks!
[15:43] <bdmurray> hyperair: its been released
[15:43] <hyperair> yay thanks
[15:44] <hyperair> bdmurray: launchpad doesn't seem to have updated yet though
[15:48] <cjwatson> hyperair: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+publishinghistory -> pending publication
[15:48] <hyperair> ah, thanks
[16:13] <LocutusOfBorg1> infinity, syncpackage libjsoncpp ?
[16:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> still not good
[16:14] <infinity> syncpackage: Error: Debian version 0.10.2-4 has not been picked up by LP yet. Please try again later.
[16:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> requestsync doesn't show the error
[16:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> but syncpackage does
[16:14] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: It does if you pass -V
[16:14] <LocutusOfBorg1> strange
[16:14] <infinity> Oh, requestsync. I never use that, for obvious reasons.
[16:15] <infinity> And it might be buggy with rmadison returning multiple versions in unstable.
[16:15] <infinity> I was just knee-deep in that code a couple of days ago, perhaps I should dive back in.
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> infinity, some hours ago it was failing at the begin with "ubuntu has an higher version", now seems to go a little after
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> syncpackage: D: Source package libjsoncpp is temporarily blacklisted (blacklisted_current). Ubuntu ignores these for now. See also LP: #841372
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> syncpackage: Source libjsoncpp -> wily/Proposed: current version 0.6.0~rc2-3.1ubuntu1, new version 0.10.2-4
[16:16] <LocutusOfBorg1> I see it there https://launchpad.net/debian/+source/libjsoncpp/0.10.2-4
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> lol I asked at the same time
[16:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> now should be fine
[16:18] <infinity> synced.
[16:18] <LocutusOfBorg1> <3
[16:19] <LocutusOfBorg1> the whole borg community thanks you
[16:20] <ogra_> LocutusOfBorg1, i thinnk he'd be happy with only 7of9 :)
[16:20] <infinity> ogra_: But why rule out 1 through 6?
[16:20] <LocutusOfBorg1> ogra_, I would be happy too :D
[16:23] <ogra_> haha
[16:28] <pitti> arges: oh, you are doing SRU today?
[16:28] <arges> pitti: yes... why? : )
[16:29] <pitti> arges: could we release utopic/vivid for bug 1461425 today? there's already the next round of updates in bug 1464669
[16:29] <pitti> sorry about that, this was a bit crazy
[16:29] <pitti> shold be back to one update every 3 months now
[16:30] <arges> pitti: ah perfect i see you went through the jenkins 'failures'. I'll work on releasing that then reviewing the next round
[16:54] <pitti> arges: cheers!
[17:00] <LocutusOfBorg1> pitti, do you think libjsoncpp is good for a cmake rebuild?
[17:00] <LocutusOfBorg1> I mean, rebuilding cmake should pick the proposed one, right?
[17:01] <cjwatson> I don't think the new binaries are entirely published yet; at least rmadison doesn't show them
[17:01] <cjwatson> But once they are, a rebuild will pick them up
[17:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> automagically?
[17:03] <LocutusOfBorg1> seems it is restarted
[17:04] <seb128> stgraber, hey http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/user/register?destination=qatracker "Have you forgotten your password?" points to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/user/password which is invalid
[17:04] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg1: I don't know what you mean by automagically. Builds in -proposed fetch build-dependencies from -proposed.
[17:05] <seb128> stgraber, do you know what would be the right url to use?
[17:05] <seb128> also I'm trying to log through sso and it tells me that a seb128 user already exist
[17:05] <cjwatson> Hopefully whoever retried those builds checked.
[17:05] <LocutusOfBorg1> it was on "build cancelled" state, do the retry happen automatically?
[17:05] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg1: No, only manually.
[17:06] <LocutusOfBorg1> ack thanks
[17:06] <stgraber> seb128: it's all Ubuntu SSO, no local accounts
[17:07] <stgraber> seb128: and yeah, we can't disable those links, the best we can do is make them fail
[17:07] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg1: The master site has the new versions at the moment, so it's hopefully OK.
[17:08] <seb128> stgraber, well, sso fails telling me that "The name seb128 is already taken."
[17:08] <stgraber> seb128: ok. We had that happen ocasionally with old accounts, I can nuke your account in the DB which will solve that, just need to reown the data you have in the DB first
[17:08] <seb128> stgraber, I guess I've an account from the before sso time but I don't remember the password
[17:08] <seb128> stgraber, thanks
[17:09] <stgraber> manually doing the SSO link is something I haven't figured out yet, so nuking the old account is easier :)
[17:09] <stgraber> well, I could also rename the old account, that should work
[17:09] <seb128> you can nuke it as far as I'm concerned
[17:10] <stgraber> seb128: try now
[17:10] <Laney> stgraber: after you fix his account, can you see why the rebuild I just requested failed? :)
[17:10] <Laney> (see the email)
[17:10] <Laney> perhaps it needs tweaking to do a cron.preinstalled build or something
[17:10] <seb128> stgraber, "
[17:10] <seb128> Error message
[17:10] <seb128> The e-mail address [email protected] is already registered. Have you forgotten your password?"
[17:11] <stgraber> damn, let me change that too :)
[17:11] <seb128> ;-)
[17:11] * Laney screams at the rain - washing is out
[17:11] * Laney runs
[17:11] <stgraber> seb128: try now
[17:12] <seb128> stgraber, works! thanks ;-)
[17:12] <stgraber> Laney: looking
[17:14] <stgraber> Laney: desktop next I assume?
[17:14] <Laney> oui
[17:14] * Laney is damp
[17:15] <stgraber> ok, so I see 3 requests (one for each product) 10min ago
[17:16] <stgraber> DB state is 3 which means, built according to nusakan but not published yet
[17:16] <Laney> I got failure emails
[17:16] <stgraber> ah, must have removed them without reading them, can you bounce them back to me?
[17:17] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg1: cmake seems to have happily built against the new libjsoncpp. Cheers.
[17:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> cheers!
[17:17] <Laney> stgraber: It needs to have SUBPROJECT=system-image and run cron.daily-preinstalled
[17:18] <Laney> (bounced)
[17:19] <infinity> Curiously, it tried to build them on the old livefs builders instead of on LP.
[17:19] <infinity> Didn't even know that codepath still existed.
[17:30] <stgraber> infinity: yeah, still happens when there's no LP project setup in the config
[17:30] <stgraber> likely to fail horribly as we drop those old builders though :)
[18:18] <dobey> does anyone know how to do the equivalent of "python3 -m testtools.run discover" using python3-covearge?
[20:25] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: sorry, what about libjsoncpp? (I have no idea about C++ or cmake, what was the problem there?)
[20:59] <infinity> pitti: It's all sorted.
[21:01] <infinity> pitti: Also, I fixed the linux autopkgtests. Merry Christmas.
[21:01] <pitti> infinity: I saw, great job!
[21:02] <infinity> pitti: The best part was that after I fixed it all, I noticed Brad had (most of) the same changes staged in another branch he just hadn't gotten around to merging.
[21:02] <infinity> pitti: So, yay for duplicated work. ;)
[21:02] <pitti> erk
[21:02] <infinity> (This is really, really, really not our week for kernel stuff)
[21:03] <pitti> utlemming: wrt. bug 1262951, I noticed that this is incompatible with what Debian's ifupdown now does: they include all files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ which *don't* have a suffix, and that cloud specific change only includes *.cfg files
[21:03] <pitti> utlemming: what would I report this against?
[21:04] <infinity> pitti: I'd guess cloud-init and curtin, at least, probably use that facility.
[21:04] <infinity> pitti: And the only sane way forward would be to merge the two behaviours, including no-suffix and *.cfg, but nothing else.
[21:04] <infinity> pitti: IMO.
[21:05] <pitti> yeah, I guess so; I. e. additionally have the source-directory /etc/network/interfaces.d/ which Debian does
[21:05] <infinity> Cause trying to mangle things on upgrade might end in tears.
[21:06] <pitti> one doesn't usually dist-upgrade cloud instances, so that shouldn't be such a big deal
[21:07] <pitti> (i. e. mangling /etc/network/interfaces)
[21:07] <infinity> pitti: Lots of people dist-upgrade cloud instances.
[21:08] <infinity> pitti: If you're not a hip and cool "my whole life is ephemeral" cat, starting with a cloud image and dist-upgrading is perfectly reasonable.
[21:08] <infinity> pitti: But also, I'd be willing to bet curtin uses the same bits (maybe not, but worth a check), and maas+curtin for base installs is generally less cloudy.
[21:09] <pitti> well, at least appending that line to /e/n/i on upgrade is not that big of a deal, but as it isn't really owned by any package it still bears the question where to put that
[21:09] <pitti> (ifupdown presumably)
[21:10] <infinity> pitti: Oh, if it's only included in the config file, not a default include in the source, it might be just as valid to just start doing this on new installs only.
[21:10] <infinity> pitti: It's not like old installs will (as a general rule, anyway) start growing new interfaces that people expect to configure that way?
[21:11] <infinity> pitti: But, YMMV, I dunno.
[21:11] <pitti> yeah, hence my original question what to report this against -- is that cloud-init? or some cloud-image-builder-thingy?
[21:11] <pitti> the bug above is against "Ubuntu"
[21:11] <infinity> pitti: Probably cloud-init has the affected code.
[21:11] <infinity> pitti: And maybe curtin, like I said. And who knows what else.
[21:11] <infinity> d-i uses interfaces snippets now too, I thought.
[21:13] <infinity> Yeah, d-i does, and also writes out 'source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*'
[21:13] <infinity> Which seems like neither of the behaviours you described...
[21:14] <infinity> netcfg (1.127) unstable; urgency=medium
[21:14] <infinity> * Add support for /etc/network/interfaces.d/ by adding a "source"
[21:14] <infinity> directive (Closes: #770078). It can be replaced with a
[21:14] <infinity> "source-directory" one during the next release cycle.
[21:14] <infinity> netcfg (1.127) unstable; urgency=medium
[21:14] <infinity> * Add support for /etc/network/interfaces.d/ by adding a "source"
[21:14] <infinity> directive (Closes: #770078). It can be replaced with a
[21:14] <infinity> "source-directory" one during the next release cycle.
[21:14] <infinity> -- Cyril Brulebois <[email protected]> Sun, 04 Jan 2015 22:48:47 +0100
[21:14] <infinity> Oops, stutter paste.
[21:16] <infinity> pitti: So, netcfg in Debian hasn't caught up to the new world order. d-i still sources *, rather than source-directory.
[21:16] <infinity> pitti: In conclusion, this is all a bit of a mess right now.
[21:17] <pitti> yay consistency
[21:18] <infinity> pitti: So, I think the right answer here is "hunt down all installers, and change what they do"... What ifupdown does is irrelevant, since 99% of the time, it's not writing interfaces(5)
[21:18] <infinity> pitti: And if it's trying to change any old config files on upgrade, that would be massively wrong.
[21:19] <infinity> Also, yes, yay consistency.
[21:21] <infinity> netcfg still appears to write everything to interfaces(5) too. It could really use a rewrite to write per-interface to the .d directory.
[23:29] <hallyn> do-release-upgrade -d -f noninteractive. should work?
[23:32] <sarnold> hallyn: are you hitting this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1452238
[23:33] <hallyn> sarnold: nah, nothing so drastic. it just isn't being noninteractive, sits and waits for me to hit y/enter/ several times.
[23:33] <sarnold> ahhhhh
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[22:45] <bazhang> is kaylin a supported flavour
[22:45] <Unit193> It's Ubuntu's version of redflag linux. Official.
[22:46] <bazhang> kk
[22:46] <Unit193> !kylin
[22:48] <bazhang> Hosts for johndoe1972 and gigganigga9001: 79.141.172.14
[22:49] <bazhang> how could you not know it was for chinese
[22:49] <Unit193> The massive text and unreadable download button make it so hard!
[22:50] <bazhang> vixta was a respun fedora made to look exactly like vista
[22:50] <bazhang> incredibly slow
[22:50] <bazhang> hehe
[22:52] <bazhang> cough troll cough
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[19:46] <Unit193> He's alive!
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2015-06-17-#bzr
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[08:46] <CoyoteLE> Hi all!
[13:47] <barry> jelmer, or anyone else: does anybody still know how `bzr merge-upstream` works and can help with a problem i'm having?
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-no
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[12:25] <qwebirc31239> Hei. Jeg trenger hjelp med min nye Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition
[12:28] <qwebirc31239> Jeg skulle oppdatere til fra ubuntu 4.04 LTS til 4.10, men den gikk ikke videre fra "configuring grub 2.." så jeg logget av og logget inn igjen, og skjermen ble helt blå. Har skrudd av og på og etter login blir det bluescreen. Noen her som kan hjelpe meg?
[13:26] <RoyK> qwebirc31239: fra 14.04 til 14.10, kanskje ;)
[13:26] <RoyK> qwebirc31239: det finnes ikke 'bluescreen' på linux - vi har "kernel panic" i stedet, men det er nok ikke det du ser her - gjetter noe krøll i xorg-konfigen
[13:40] <qwebirc31239> Har du mulighet til å hjelpe meg? jeg kommer ikke inn på ubuntu i det hele tatt.
[13:41] <RoyK> trykk ctrl+alt+f1
[13:42] <qwebirc31239> funker ikke, det eneste jeg kommer inn på er PC egen bios ved å trykke f2 etter startup
[13:45] <qwebirc31239> jeg prøver også å installere ubuntu på nytt fra usb, men det blir avbrutt av Dell recovery media som sier "ERROR: this recovery media only function on Dell systems"
[13:45] <RoyK> har du data på den der du ikke har backup av?
[13:45] <qwebirc31239> nei den er helt ny, ingenting der enda
[13:45] <RoyK> det er bra
[13:45] <qwebirc31239> ja
[13:45] <RoyK> 14.10 har vel gått ut på dato uansett
[13:46] <RoyK> ville kjørt 14.04 eller *eventuelt* 15.04, men bare hvis du trenger det siste og hotteste
[13:46] <qwebirc31239> jeg skulle bare oppgradere via den til 15.04
[13:47] <qwebirc31239> KAn du hjelpe meg med å få PC tilbake til slik den var da jeg fikk den, en slag factory reset eller?
[13:49] <RoyK> 14.04 er LTS (long term support), dvs støtta i fem år. 14.10, 15.04 og kommende 15.10 er "mellomversjoner" før neste LTS, 16.04 kommer i april neste år
[13:49] <RoyK> qwebirc31239: det burde funke, men det kan jo skje rare ting underveis. husk også at mellomversjonene ikke prioriteres stort på feilretting - LTS prioriteres
[13:50] <RoyK> hvis ting funker på 14.04, bruk 14.04. hvis ting ikke funker, prøv med 15.04, gjerne frisk installasjon fra USB. Hvis du vil ha det nyeste og hotteste, installer 15.04 fra scratch
[13:51] <RoyK> 15.04 kommer med systemd i stedet for upstart, og i den oppdateringa er det *mye* som kan gå galt ;)
[13:51] <qwebirc31239> Jeg greier ikke det heller, har gjort det før på annen pc, som jeg sitter på nå. Trenger hjelp med BIOS instilling på dell
[13:53] <qwebirc31239> Tror jeg må gjøre en OEM install av ubuntu, har du erfaring med det?
[14:07] <RoyK> qwebirc31239: ble maskina levert med Ubuntu?
[14:11] <qwebirc31239> ja det er Dell XPS 13 developer edition, og nå har jeg ødelagt den ubuntuen som har installert.
[14:13] <RoyK> http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/os-applications/f/4613/t/19620838
[14:14] <qwebirc31239> takk det ligner veldig på mitt problem!
[14:14] <qwebirc31239> skal prøve
[14:35] <qwebirc31239> Jeg får det ikke til. det funker ikke med noe factory reset, kommer bare til "unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[14:39] <RoyK> har du en USB Live-greie med u1404?
[14:46] <qwebirc31239> Jeg har en USB med 14.04 som jeg har prøvd med. Jeg kan bare teste ut ubuntu, hvis jeg prøver å installere blir jeg stoppet av Dell Recovery software som sier at dette ikke er en dell pc..
[14:48] <qwebirc31239> Har du forslag til hvem som kan hjelpe meg med dette? (har snakke med Dell tech support og de hadde ikke peiling på Ubuntu...)
[14:53] <RoyK> hvis maskina er solgt med Ubuntu, må det jo være mulig å få hjelp til det ;)
[14:53] <RoyK> ellers forsvinner litt av vitsen med å kjøpe ubuntu-sertifiserte ting :P
[15:12] <qwebirc31239> Takk for at du tok deg tid til å hjelpe meg. Får prøve videre.
[15:25] <RoyK> lykke til :)
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-ar
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[22:30] <Maca> hola, necesito ayuda
[22:30] <Maca> alguien que quiera cooperar?
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.804412
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2015-06-17-#launchpad
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[00:20] <mark06> people are moving off sourceforge, would you open exceptions to your hosting rules in special cases?
[00:21] <wgrant> mark06: Which hosting rules?
[00:21] <mark06> msys2 needs large file hosting, it's like a distro so you get many packages sometimes with 500MB for a single one
[00:21] <mark06> http://sf.net/p/msys2
[00:22] <mark06> it's like a cygwin, but for native windows software
[00:22] <wgrant> If a project maintainer comes to us with a good reason for rules to be adjusted, we can consider it. But Launchpad releases don't have the large mirror network that SourceForge has, so it may not be a good option.
[00:22] <wgrant> But we're always happy to discuss options with the project maintainer.
[00:23] <mark06> I see, good to know anyway, well msys2 is not a large project itself so it may fit the needs
[00:23] <mark06> I will tell alexey about it thanks
[00:23] <wgrant> Great
[01:39] <ki7mt> Hello All, anyone around that can enable ARM builds on a LP PPA? I posted the request in Q&A already.
[19:09] <bdmurray> cjwatson: apport contains origin information about a package in the following format "[origin: LP-PPA-ci-train-ppa-service-stable-phone-overlay]" with that its not easy to determine the username and ppa name to use archives.getByReference() in the Launchpad API. Do you have any ideas how this might improved in Launchpad? (Changing apport would require SRUs etc...)
[19:18] <dobey> bdmurray: if apport doesn't use a unique separator character in that string, i don't see how one would do that in a sensible manner
[19:46] <barry> hello! any launchpad admins up and about?
[20:00] <cjwatson> dobey: the piece you're missing is that LP generates that string
[20:01] <dobey> cjwatson: ah ok.
[20:01] <cjwatson> bdmurray: I'm not sure; changing that would require people to change their apt preferences files, very invasive
[20:01] <cjwatson> barry: I'm mostly watching a film, but what's up?
[20:02] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I was thinking of an API request to search for ppa like ci-train-service...
[20:02] <barry> cjwatson: sorry to interrupt movie night :) i'm trying to configure a silo for system-image 3.0.1-0ubuntu1, but it keeps failing for unknown reasons. no package shows up in the ppa. robru suggested i ask the lp admins to see if there is more information in the rejection emails, which he doesn't get and the citrain doesn't have access to
[20:03] <barry> cjwatson: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-040
[20:06] <cjwatson> bdmurray: possibly, but that sort of string matching is pretty expensive; it might be almost as quick to just try all the possible breakpoints from apport
[20:06] <cjwatson> barry: can't check logs from my phone, can you wait a couple of hours?
[20:07] <barry> cjwatson: yep, or even tomorrow morning if that's better for you
[20:07] <bdmurray> cjwatson: okay, thanks
[20:19] <cjwatson> bdmurray: I'm not sure. There's an argument that the terrible string format is LP's fault and so maybe we have to accept a terrible API to guess-parse it
[20:21] <bdmurray> looking at python-apt candidate.uris has "/" and "-" so its possible to figure out on the client but would just take SRUs to make it work for most releases.
[20:21] <bdmurray> I didn't have much hope but thought I'd ask.
[22:16] <cjwatson> barry: (logs in #ubuntu-ci-eng. you've probably seen already, but just for anyone else following to know that they don't need to chase it)
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2015-06-17-#kubuntu
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[00:26] <argon> hola
[01:07] <jParkton> I dont know if this is a Kubuntu issue or not, I connected my laptop via VGA adapter to my hdtv and selected input "PC" and it displayed 'a' desktop that was like a side desktop to mine? And I couldnt play movies or anything on the side desktop
[01:08] <jParkton> does anyone know if there is a specific setting on my laptop I need to use?
[03:53] <rainesr> I am new to Kubuntu, using 15.04. I don't see all the Qt5 dev packages in the repos, are they missing or do I need to add a repo?
[05:12] <bjrohan> I need help updating. I was running 14.04. I then did a apt-get update then an do-release. I am now upgraded to 14.10, but I want to get to 15.01. When I repeat the steps, it says no new release available.
[05:13] <bjrohan> What am I doing incorrect?
[07:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:51] <karaan> test
[11:52] <bshah> !test | karaan
[11:53] <sleepy_> exit
[13:32] <yossarianuk> what is the latest with the entire 'sack your 'leader'' fun?
[13:46] <RAMdOOM> i created a new ramdisk and i want to include this disk into RAM system. this is possible?
[13:50] <lordievader> RAMdOOM: What disk? Also it is better to use a tmpfs instead.
[13:52] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: Is ext2. someone said that is more fast than tmpfs. i want to include,accress,sum this new ramdisk into ram system kernel. this is possible?
[13:54] <RAMdOOM> i don't. want to swap.
[13:54] <lordievader> Meh, it is both ram. Ramdisk has as the downside it doesn't tell you it is full... I'm still not clear what you want to put on it.
[13:54] <lordievader> If you use a tmpfs the chance of swapping increases...
[13:54] <lordievader> If you don't want to swap buy more ram.
[13:55] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: i will not buy more ram if i have infinite ramdisks here.
[13:56] <pronetla> Hello any can help me?
[13:56] <lordievader> What do you mean with infinite ramdisks?
[13:56] <lordievader> RAMdOOM: A ramdisk is mounting part of your ram as a disk.
[13:57] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: swap is not for me. if i create 100 new ramdisks these 100 new ramdisks will work.
[13:58] <lordievader> RAMdOOM: http://www.jamescoyle.net/knowledge/951-the-difference-between-a-tmpfs-and-ramfs-ram-disk
[13:58] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: i am not loosing freeram when i copy or delete files to this newdisk.
[13:58] <lordievader> RAMdOOM: Are you taking about those disks that have ram inside?
[13:59] <pronetla> I installed Kubuntu OEM by Misstake plz help me, ad after a normal install my system say juan@juan-To-be-failed-by-O-E-M (ubuntu 15.04)
[13:59] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: if i format to tmpfs allright, how to include this into ramsystem?
[13:59] <lordievader> pronetla: Change the hostname ;)
[13:59] <pronetla> rellly
[13:59] <pronetla> that ist all
[13:59] <lordievader> RAMdOOM: I still have no idea what you want. Or what you are talking about.
[14:00] <lordievader> pronetla: Unless there is more non-default, yes.
Tanks =)
[14:01] <lordievader> pronetla: ;)
[14:01] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: i want to increase freeram creating and including new ramdisks into system without hardware. because i suppose that my hardware have at least 512M of free space like a zombie.
[14:02] <lordievader> RAMdOOM: You cannot magically add ram...
[14:03] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: i know. but if i try to bind these disk onto the ramblocks?
[14:03] <lordievader> If you are talking about disks like: http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ramdrive-ars.jpg
[14:03] <lordievader> I suppose you can rip the ram out of there...
[14:04] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: no. is not hardware. is similar to squashing F's
[14:04] <lordievader> RAMdOOM: So you are talking about ramfs/tmpfs?
[14:05] <RAMdOOM> my kernel have a bad owned configuration. i am trying to reconfigure again
[14:05] <pronetla> well i wana say a BIG thank YO to the Community, Kubuntu i WOW!
[14:05] <lordievader> RAMdOOM: Is that a yes or a no?
[14:05] <pronetla> is WOW!
[14:07] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: no
[14:07] <lordievader> So what are you talking about then?
[14:07] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: virtual temporary ramdisk created on boot and deleted on shutdown.
[14:08] <lordievader> So ramfs/tmpfs...
[14:08] <lordievader> That only eats ram...
[14:09] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: i done Ramfs. now i want to include this newdisk because the freeram value not changed
[14:10] <lordievader> Ofcourse not, you mount part of your ram as a filesystem. The free ram will only decrease.
[14:10] <lordievader> If you want more ram, buy more ram. That is the only way.
[14:10] <lordievader> (Not counting swap here).
[14:10] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: the freeram not decreased and not increased.
[14:10] <lordievader> It's not decreased because it is an empty mount.
[14:10] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: indifferent
[14:11] <lordievader> Put a file of 4g on the tmpfs and you'll see.
[14:11] <RAMdOOM> the only difference i am feeling is that speed. running 60% more fast
[14:12] <lordievader> Yes, if mounted strategically a tmpfs can boost performance quite a bit.
[14:12] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: i want only 64MB more.
[14:13] <lordievader> Then buy more ram. Or add swap.
[14:13] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: i don't want speed. i want freeram only
[14:13] <lordievader> Buy more ram.
[14:13] <RAMdOOM> with no buying and no swapping
[14:14] <lordievader> So you are trying to do the impossible?
[14:14] <RAMdOOM> you assumed that the performance increased?
[14:14] <RAMdOOM> my freeram not changed
[14:14] <RAMdOOM> but the speed Chang's
[14:15] <RAMdOOM> on where is hosted this newdisk so?
[14:15] <lordievader> The amount of free ram is no measure for performance, in performance there are many factors which can influence it.
[14:16] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: ok. i will change my question: on where gone hosted this newdisk?
[14:16] <lordievader> What?
[14:16] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: on where gone hosted this newdisk?
[14:17] <lordievader> That sentence doesn't make any sense...
[14:17] <lordievader> What are you trying to ask?
[14:19] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: i created a 16M of virtual ramdisk. my. performance increased. and i didn't loose or increase freeram. ok? now is this question: in where gone these -16MB IN TO HARDWARE?
[14:20] <lordievader> If it is an empty mount, nowhere. Fill it and your ram usage will increase with 16MB
[14:21] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: wait: i will test
[14:22] <RAMdOOM> m
[14:23] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: my freeram is still the same before i fill this 16Mb with 4 files of 4.4MB .
[14:24] <RAMdOOM> No ram decreased
[14:24] <RAMdOOM> no spaceleft
[14:24] <RAMdOOM> and if create some other new disk or milliondisks the values stays equally
[14:25] <RAMdOOM> do you understand onwhere i meaning to come/
[14:25] <RAMdOOM> ?
[14:27] <RAMdOOM> i know that disks is temporary. the question is where is the part of hardware that these disk are using. this is why i suspect that my hardware have 512MB at least free like a zombie.
[14:33] <RAMdOOM> lordievader: if these disks are real, they may be included by logic ways, or some new method, into the ram system to increase value of freeram. correct
[14:33] <RAMdOOM> ?
[14:46] <vbgunz> is KDE 15.04.2 in the backports repo?
[14:49] <genii> More likely in -proposed
[14:51] <vbgunz> I'm hoping some of the bugs I had in 15.04 and 15.04.1 are solved. it's been a while, I forgot exactly what but I'm hoping it's more solid
[17:01] <tomorrow> hi, how use C-return in konsole? thks
[17:03] <Graf_Westerholt> tomorrow, I do not understand what you want to do. Can you explain, please?
[17:04] <tomorrow> because cua-mode isn't work, in emacs.
[18:36] <zzzccc> Hello, guys. Can smbd give me kde5 installation faq for ubuntu?
[18:47] <EvilRoey> FIRST RULE OF KDE5: THERE IS NO KDE5
[18:52] <bjrohan> I just updated to 15.04, and I keep getting an annoying message about proprietary drivers. When I select the only driver listed for Intel, and click apply, a few minutes later I get the damn message again. What do I need to do to satisfy this request?
[19:01] <victor__> in KDE5 how do you choose the backend rendering? e.g., opengl?
[19:02] <victor__> found it
[19:03] <victor__> system settings > hardware > display and monitor > compositor
[19:18] <EvilRoey> FIRST RULE OF KDE5: THERE IS NO KDE5
[19:18] <EvilRoey> victor__: ^
[19:52] <ahoneybun> https://plus.google.com/events/cjbl4jsvkaovmjc5ut595nubkpc
[19:52] <ahoneybun> The First ever Kubuntu Podcast: https://plus.google.com/events/cjbl4jsvkaovmjc5ut595nubkpc
[20:18] <Euryale> Hello, I'm having trouble with KDE Plasma. When I alt-tab to switch stuff the thing that shows up on the left to show you what window you're on doesn't just flash up but it /strobes/, which can be dangerous for me.
[20:18] <Euryale> what can I do to prevent this from happening?
[20:25] <Euryale> Sec, I'm going to try restarting to see if it makes it go away temporarily
[20:25] <Euryale> when I get back maybe someone will have a more permanent solution
[20:30] <Euryale> nope... restarting didn't help
[20:38] <Euryale> Okay, apparently disabling the 'fade' desktop effect fixes the problem
[20:49] <trigas> dir
[22:44] <Euryale> how do I stop the nag screen asking me to install Adobe Flash?
[22:44] <Euryale> I really don't want Flash, thank you very much
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.815284
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2015-06-17-#upstart
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[21:31] <catern> dear #upstart
[21:32] <catern> why do I see logs for my failing job running post-stop
[21:32] <catern> and no logs of it running, you know, "start"
[23:38] <catern> nvm I figured it out :)
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.816874
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2015-06-17-#snappy
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[00:24] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sorry I forgot to put my test results at https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/goget-ubuntu-touch/beBetter/+merge/261804
[00:24] <rsalveti> sergiusens: but yeah, it's a +1 for me as well
[00:25] <rsalveti> Chipaca is a review machine
[07:00] <fgimenez> good morning
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[08:36] <mvo> Chipaca: hey, I think you had a idea how to make https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/snappy/snappy-gettext nicer (?) i.e. how to get a import so that we can use G() or something similar short, or am I misremembering(?)
[08:58] <longsleep> sergiusens: Hey - do you have any update on the review process for the ODROIDC OEM snap? It seems like it's stuck and i got no reply to my latest comments.
[08:59] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Eat Your Vegetables Day!
[09:05] <Chipaca> mvo: hey
[09:05] <Chipaca> mvo: yes
[09:05] <Chipaca> mvo: but only if you promise it'll only export one function (and ideally not something as collisiony as G(), but maybe i'm overthinking it) :)
[09:06] <mvo> Chipaca: we need two :) G() (or L() i don't care) and NG() (ngettext)
[09:07] <Chipaca> mvo: fair enough
[09:07] <Chipaca> i guess G and LG don't clash with anything right now
[09:07] <Chipaca> mvo: very easy to do, tbh; just import it with a . as we do with gocheck in the tests
[09:09] <mvo> Chipaca: heh, sure! great suggestion, thanks!
[09:09] <mvo> Chipaca: its one of these ideas thats obvious *once* you had it
[09:10] <mvo> \o/
[09:36] <Chipaca> tyhicks: love your work on the CAP_NET_ADMIN thing, thank you!
[09:49] <rsalveti> longsleep: dholbach might be able to help you with the review related questions
[09:51] <dholbach> rsalveti, hum... how=?
[09:51] <ogra_> rsalveti, so mzanetti just asked me an interesting question ... how will phone devs develop system components on the phone once we have no dpkg support at all anymore ?
[09:51] <rsalveti> dholbach: store related review questions, thought you had review permission as well
[09:52] <dholbach> rsalveti, yes, I do - I just wasn't sure if we had a process figured out for reviewing OEM snaps already
[09:52] <rsalveti> hm, right, that I don't know
[09:52] <longsleep> dholbach: well i received some comments, but now the process seems to be stuck as nobody did answer lately :)
[09:53] <rsalveti> ogra_: I fail to related developing system components and dpkg here
[09:53] <rsalveti> *relate
[09:53] <dholbach> "Supported architectures:Architecture independent" is likely wrong
[09:53] <ogra_> rsalveti, today you build your stuff in a silo and then install the debs
[09:53] <dholbach> let me take another look at the comments
[09:53] <longsleep> dholbach: the only request i got was to rename it to odroid-community - i renamed it in the store only and i am not sure if that is the correct way of action
[09:53] <ogra_> or re-build the packages locally
[09:54] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, if an app I'd imagine it would just be a simple snap, if part of core, I'd imagine you'd need to rebuild/reinstall the framework
[09:54] <ogra_> and then install them ...
[09:55] <ogra_> rsalveti, if the phone bits including the UI are in the core image ?
[09:55] <ogra_> (which is how i understood the planned setup)
[09:55] <mzanetti> rsalveti, so if I want to test a small patch on unity I need to rebuild the framework?
[09:55] <mzanetti> ok, the severity of that really depends on what the framework is :D
[09:55] <ogra_> i dont think it will be a framework ... unless rsalveti knows something new ...
[09:55] <rsalveti> for personal you would indeed just follow the current dev steps you do for phone
[09:55] <rsalveti> dpkg will be available
[09:55] <dholbach> ah, "Architecture independent" might actually be right
[09:56] <ogra_> rsalveti, so we will have special developer images that ship dpkg ?
[09:56] <rsalveti> once we move away from personal and get just core + snaps, then we'd need to find the right spot for your piece
[09:56] <ogra_> i thought the masterplan was to completely get rid of it
[09:56] <mzanetti> can you elaborate on the "move away from personal" thing?
[09:56] <ogra_> to me it looks like a dev changing core would have to re-build the whole image every time
[09:57] <rsalveti> ogra_: that is the masterplan, but I don't think that will be removed from personal
[09:57] <ogra_> ok
[09:57] <ogra_> as i understood some desktop discussions the plan was to only have dpkg fenced inside an lxc container we ship by default
[09:57] <rsalveti> mzanetti: so personal is a shortcut atm, since transforming everything into a snap (framework and apps), is a lot of work
[09:58] <dholbach> jdstrand, beuno, sergiusens: regarding the odroidc oem snap decision: are you aware of anything else that needs to be done? is "arch independent" correct in this case?
[09:58] <rsalveti> so instead of doing that now, we created another base image that includes everything
[09:58] <ogra_> (so you wouldnt have it available on the actual core system)
[09:58] <ogra_> but if we keep it i guess thats fine then
[09:58] <dholbach> longsleep, ^ I just went ahead and pinged some other folks who should know more
[09:58] <rsalveti> moving away from personal would mean start using the core + snaps (framework and apps)
[09:58] <dholbach> longsleep, sorry for not being of more help here
[09:58] <mzanetti> rsalveti, you mean converting unity into a snap itself?
[09:58] <rsalveti> mzanetti: yup
[09:59] <longsleep> dholbach: ok great thanks - no worries i am not really in any hurry as long as there is no way to handle the device part with the store.
[09:59] <rsalveti> mzanetti: how that will be done is not clear yet
[09:59] <mzanetti> rsalveti, ok. thanks for clarifying.
[10:03] <seb128> rsalveti, but personnal is still a snappy image and ro, so you can't dpkg things there
[10:07] <rsalveti> seb128: right, but that restriction already exists on phone images
[10:07] <rsalveti> the use case is for people already remounting things with rw
[10:07] <seb128> rsalveti, you can turn the phone rw by touching a file and rebooting, is that going to work on snappy?
[10:08] <rsalveti> seb128: that is still an open question (if we're going to offer something similar), but I'd imagine we don't want to do that
[10:08] <rsalveti> the logic is currently inside the initrd
[10:08] <rsalveti> not sure if for personal this is something you might want to offer
[10:09] <seb128> rsalveti, but you can mount -o remount rw?
[10:09] <rsalveti> seb128: if you have sudo access, sure
[10:09] <ogra_> seb128, sure, why not
[10:10] <ogra_> seb128, the initial question was just "what do we do if dpkg is gone" .... in which case you would have to install binary tarballs or some such
[10:10] <seb128> oh ok
[10:10] <Chipaca> mvo_: when tarmac complains about "there are additional revisions yadda yadda", it's the timestamp of the top-approval it's complaining about
[10:10] <seb128> well the snappy image is still built from debs
[10:10] <seb128> so no reason dpkg is gone
[10:10] <ogra_> but since we will keep it for now even though the masterplan is to have it not in the images, we are fine
[10:11] <seb128> do we plan to stop using debs to build the images?
[10:11] <ogra_> long term it will be gone, but by that time the desktop/phone will have switched to frameworks and snaps
[10:11] <ogra_> no
[10:11] <rsalveti> not necessarily, but there is no need for dpkg to be installed
[10:11] <ogra_> but we will likely remove dpkg at the end of the build
[10:11] <rsalveti> if we're not using it
[10:11] <ogra_> (and a lot more)
[10:12] <ogra_> i would imagine out core image to have only a third of the current size once we are done
[10:12] <ogra_> if not even less
[10:12] <rsalveti> right
[10:12] <rsalveti> there is a card to investigate that
[10:12] <rsalveti> https://trello.com/c/JdwIFPwn/57-investigate-if-we-can-remove-apt-dpkg-from-the-image
[10:12] <ogra_> yeah
[10:12] <seb128> rsalveti, right, it's just difficult to convince a deb system to remove dpkg :p
[10:12] <ogra_> rm :)
[10:12] <seb128> well then no need to debs anymore
[10:13] <seb128> you can also cp
[10:13] <ogra_> sure
[10:13] <ogra_> perhaps we'll do that one day
[10:13] <ogra_> but our infra is still built around packages today
[10:13] <seb128> right
[10:13] <ogra_> so why not use them
[10:14] <ogra_> on an embedded system where you are only interested in getting enough OS to boot, you dont really want the bloat
[10:15] <seb128> sure
[10:15] <ogra_> the core image i envision will only have dash, systemd and a few snapp tools installed (and whatever is needed to make these run)
[10:15] <Chipaca> beuno: you around?
[10:17] <rsalveti> Chipaca: mvo_: I know sergiusens was having this issue the other day, but do you guys know why we cna't use --install=docker when creating images? looking at bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1465879
[10:18] <Chipaca> rsalveti: check snappy-devel
[10:18] <Chipaca> rsalveti: or, https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1464486
[10:19] <Chipaca> rsalveti: we should confirm whether it happens with trunk snappy, as it's merged there
[10:20] <Chipaca> ah! maybe it's still needing u-d-f work
[10:23] * rsalveti checks
[10:24] <mvo_> rsalveti, Chipaca: it may just need a rebuild of u-d-f against current snappy (shared libs ftw :/)
[10:25] <rsalveti> guess also backporting https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/snappy/policyRoot/+merge/261802 ?
[10:25] <rsalveti> or just udf would be enough? (the rebuild)
[10:33] <gatisp> Hello, I think there is a mistake in https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/porting/ under "Snappy enablement basics and the device tarball."
[10:33] <gatisp> it says: "system: directory shipping kernel modules that are only needed after the rootfs has been mounted;"
[10:33] <ogra_> that is correct
[10:34] <ogra_> what would you expect it to be ?
[10:34] <gatisp> shouldn't it say modules that are needed before mounting rootfs?
[10:34] <ogra_> no, these have to go into the initrd
[10:34] <gatisp> ah, right
[10:34] <ogra_> (though i'd always recommend that if you use a custom kernel you simply compile that stuff in, it is usually just something like ext4 support and the like)
[10:43] <ogra_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:43] <ogra_> ubuntu-snappy : Depends: ubuntu-snappy-cli (= 1.1.2-1+510~ubuntu15.10.1) but it is not going to be installed
[10:43] <ogra_> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[10:43] <ogra_> ... from this mornings image build ...
[10:43] <ogra_> did anyone look into that yet ?
[10:43] <ogra_> (armhf and i386 images failed it seems)
[10:45] <sergiusens> rsalveti: it should work with the latest build already
[10:46] <sergiusens> rsalveti: or a rebuild of u-d-f I mean
[10:46] <rsalveti> sergiusens: morning :-)
[10:46] <sergiusens> we can check with Built-Using tags
[10:46] <sergiusens> good morning :-)
[10:46] <rsalveti> sergiusens: cool, guess we just need to upload a new udf and copy it over to our ppas
[10:47] <rsalveti> ogra_: hm, that version is in our ppa
[10:48] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-core-system-image
[10:48] <rsalveti> sergiusens: care to upload a new version once https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/goget-ubuntu-touch/installYaml/+merge/261865 gets merged?
[10:48] <ogra_> amd64 built fine
[10:48] <rsalveti> tarmac is currently complaining about it
[10:48] <ogra_> probably a timing error where the arch all side had not migtared
[10:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah
[10:48] <ogra_> i guess someone should just trigger a new build
[10:48] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah, gofmt, no sure how it happened, but it happened
[10:49] <sergiusens> rsalveti: maybe due to the files I just rebased but did not edit (I have goimports run as a PreWrite or whatever it was called in vim)
[10:49] <rsalveti> hm, but amd64 is failing quite frequently
[10:49] <rsalveti> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/209210238/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.ubuntu-snappy_1.1.2-1%2B511~ubuntu15.10.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[10:49] <rsalveti> FAIL: touch_test.go:30: HTestSuite.TestUpdateTimestamp
[10:49] <rsalveti> mvo_: seems those unstable tests showing up again
[10:50] <rsalveti> this time for amd64
[10:50] <sergiusens> rsalveti: heh, time based test failures ftw
[10:50] * ogra_ triggers a new image
[10:50] <rsalveti> ogra_: amd64 is still ftbfs
[10:50] <ogra_> sure, but that shouldnt make armhf and i386 fail
[10:50] <rsalveti> we we only care about armhf and amd64 atm
[10:50] <ogra_> that package comes from the PPA ...
[10:51] <ogra_> no proposed-migration there
[10:51] <rsalveti> so one of the main archs will fail
[10:51] <ogra_> (or do we have it)
[10:52] <ogra_> damn !
[10:52] * ogra_ read arm64
[10:52] <rsalveti> there is another build in progress
[10:52] <rsalveti> someone triggered it
[10:52] <ogra_> silly silly silly naming !!!!!
[10:52] <rsalveti> haha, /me does that all the time
[10:52] <ogra_> well, i triggered one ... might be me
[10:52] <rsalveti> :-)
[10:54] <ricmm> armd64
[10:54] <ogra_> well, at least they fail fast :)
[10:55] <ogra_> (i386 is already done)
[10:55] <ogra_> ricmm, on compiler level the naming is even worse ...
[10:55] <ogra_> aargh64
[10:55] <ogra_> err
[10:55] <ogra_> aarch64
[10:58] <ogra_> oh
[10:58] <ogra_> amd64 succeeded
[11:39] <sergiusens> fgimenez: elopio where should I add an acceptance test for https://trello.com/c/PJE5oYAF/84-disabling-updates-and-auto-update-when-using-sideloaded-kernel-snaps ?
[11:39] <sergiusens> can any of you two help me get started?
[11:39] <ogra_> sergiusens, oh, has that landed ?
[11:39] * ogra_ needs to not forget to re-enable autopilot
[11:39] <sergiusens> ogra_: in process of
[11:40] <ogra_> k, thanks
[11:40] <sergiusens> ogra_: got stuck in the pipeline
[11:41] <fgimenez> sergiusens, currently we are adding them in _integration_tests/tests, see https://code.launchpad.net/~fgimenez/snappy/go-functional-tests/+merge/261748
[11:43] <fgimenez> sergiusens, i'll push changes shortly to allow adding more than one test file, all of them are now in snappy_test.go
[11:45] <sergiusens> fgimenez: this doesn't drive image creation though, right?
[11:47] <fgimenez> sergiusens, yes, calling it with "go run _integration_tests/main.go" should do it all, compile debs, create image and call adt-run on it
[11:49] <sergiusens> fgimenez: nice, I need to create the image in a different way though
[11:50] <sergiusens> fgimenez: hmm, maybe for E2E but I can tamper with the image to set what I need
[11:50] <fgimenez> sergiusens, yep, it's not very configurable atm :)
[11:53] <sergiusens> fgimenez: should I go with the half test?
[11:53] <sergiusens> I would like to have E2E eventually though
[11:56] <fgimenez> sergiusens, how could this be setup?
[11:57] <beuno> Chipaca, hola
[11:58] <Chipaca> beuno: hola!
[11:59] <Chipaca> beuno: in CPI, the description is described as “Full description of the app's functionality.”. Is that one of the things entered via the online form, or is it extracted from the package?
[12:00] <beuno> Chipaca, yes.
[12:00] <beuno> Chipaca, extracted from the package, can be edited in the form
[12:00] <Chipaca> beuno: i'm confused a little, then
[12:01] <Chipaca> beuno: where is it extracted from?
[12:01] <Chipaca> beuno: "snappy build" loads it with the description from the readme
[12:02] <Chipaca> beuno: that is, it sets the manifest's description entry to the readme
[12:02] <Chipaca> to the second+ line of the readme
[12:02] <beuno> Chipaca, it parses it from the json
[12:02] <Chipaca> to all the non-blank lines after the first non-blank line in the readme
[12:02] <Chipaca> beuno: from the json manifest, yes?
[12:03] <sergiusens> beuno: can we make it not editable?
[12:03] <Chipaca> beuno: same place you get all the other metadata from?
[12:03] <sergiusens> Chipaca: for when time happens https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/goget-ubuntu-touch/personalCmd/+merge/262174
[12:03] <Chipaca> beuno: because i'm confused, therefore, by the results from the store which seem to prepend the title to the description in the description
[12:04] <beuno> sergiusens, no, because then you need to re-upload a 800mb snap to fix a typo in the description
[12:04] <beuno> Chipaca, same place, es
[12:05] <beuno> Chipaca, I think it might merge 2 fields into the description
[12:05] <beuno> jayteeuk knows the details
[12:05] <Chipaca> beuno: also the title is not the title, it's the name?
[12:05] <Chipaca> seriously confused :)
[12:05] <JamesTait> It wasn't me!
[12:05] <sergiusens> beuno: right, but then the data is inconsistent as well
[12:06] <Chipaca> JamesTait: ehlo :)
[12:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: holy, there are at least 5 branches waiting to be merged in goget
[12:06] <Chipaca> if you GET 'https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/search?fields=title%2Cdescription&q=hello-world'
[12:06] <rsalveti> ubuntu-touch
[12:06] <sergiusens> beuno: or in other words, the local data is useless
[12:06] <JamesTait> Chipaca, 501 Syntax: EHLO hostname
[12:06] <JamesTait> 😉
[12:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: can we have an upload after merging https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/goget-ubuntu-touch/installYaml/+merge/261865 ?
[12:06] <Chipaca> JamesTait: ehlo chipaca
[12:06] <rsalveti> to split the personal stuff in another upload
[12:07] <sergiusens> rsalveti: yeah, didn't I says yes already :-P ?
[12:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: just wanted to double confirm :P
[12:07] <Chipaca> JamesTait: if you GET the above uri
[12:07] <beuno> sergiusens, correct
[12:07] <Chipaca> JamesTait: and look at hello-world.canonical
[12:07] <sergiusens> rsalveti: split is new though... so one sec I'll set to needs review
[12:07] <beuno> sergiusens, the idea always was to take whatever the store told you instead of what the package says
[12:07] <Chipaca> JamesTait: or any of the others really
[12:07] <sergiusens> beuno: so why do all this packaging format if we don't need it?
[12:08] <beuno> sergiusens, initial seeding of the information
[12:08] <sergiusens> let's just remove icon. description, title, readme.md from the packaging
[12:08] <Chipaca> JamesTait: it seems to be setting title to ... something? and description to something else, neither of which match the title and description in the click manifest as far as i can tell
[12:08] <sergiusens> beuno: we can seed with an external file
[12:08] <sergiusens> no need for it to be part of the packaging if it's going to be useless data
[12:08] <sergiusens> mvo_: ^
[12:08] <JamesTait> Chipaca, without having clicked on those links, let me first put pad.lv/1303354 out there.
[12:09] <JamesTait> Now let me click on the links and see what else I can add.
[12:10] <JamesTait> Chipaca, so, "look at hello-world.canonical" where?
[12:10] <Chipaca> JamesTait: in particular, the title is ... dunno what; the description is the \n-glomming of title and description
[12:11] <Chipaca> JamesTait: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11730186/
[12:12] <Chipaca> beuno: sergiusens: easy way to fix that is to "fix" the package when edited
[12:12] <JamesTait> Chipaca, right, so the latter part of that is addressed by the bug I pasted above.
[12:13] <JamesTait> Chipaca, do you have a devportal link to that package?
[12:13] <Chipaca> JamesTait: i'll believe you, but i have no idea what the "app summary" or the "tagline" is, in this context
[12:14] <beuno> Chipaca, ew ew ew
[12:14] <beuno> no!
[12:14] <beuno> ew
[12:14] <Chipaca> JamesTait: id 1999 <- is that good enough?
[12:14] <beuno> no touching the binaries!
[12:15] <Chipaca> beuno: you'd rather confuse the user by letting them download things that when downloaded do not describe themselves as the things they chose to download did?
[12:15] <JamesTait> Chipaca, indeed it is. ☺
[12:15] <beuno> Chipaca, or, you download the store's json when downloading the app and use that to display
[12:15] <Chipaca> beuno: you don't have to edit the binary, of course; you can also modify it on the fly when the user downloads it :-p
[12:16] * beuno dims his laptop's screen to the minimum
[12:16] <JamesTait> The "Sorry, can't hear you!" approach.
[12:18] <Chipaca> beuno: that makes the client a lot harder, especially wrt uniformity of behaviour wrt sideloaded apps; it also n-uplicates information (we'd have the package.yaml, the click manifest, and the store manifest)
[12:18] <sergiusens> beuno: the data needs to be consistent though
[12:18] <sergiusens> I think it's bad design
[12:18] <Chipaca> beuno: and moves work to the client, which is underpowered and numerous
[12:18] <JamesTait> Chipaca, bear in mind that these models evolved from the old software centre ones, which were based on .deb packages. So tagline is the one-line description and app-summary is the full description.
[12:19] <Chipaca> JamesTait: http://www.brainlesstales.com/images/2013/Jul/bear-in-mind.jpg
[12:19] <JamesTait> Chipaca, in snap package terms, that maps to... hang on, checking. ☺
[12:21] <Chipaca> deb-control(5) does not call it a tagline nor an app summary, either
[12:21] <beuno> Chipaca, so we make people upload 800mb to fix a typo or set a promo for their app?
[12:21] <Chipaca> short description and long description
[12:21] <sergiusens> beuno: we can also split the packaging if it's useless data as you said
[12:22] <sergiusens> the "metadata" doesn't need to be there
[12:22] <Chipaca> sergiusens: how is that different from downloading the store json?
[12:22] <sergiusens> beuno: but keep in mind the no caching rule, the store would be spammed by thousands of clients
[12:22] <sergiusens> Chipaca: oh, I'm talking about "on upload"
[12:23] <Chipaca> sergiusens: i'm talking about not understanding how that would be different for the client :)
[12:23] <sergiusens> Chipaca: the initial seeding problem
[12:23] <Chipaca> sergiusens: you mean the server would assemble the package from these bits?
[12:23] <sergiusens> Chipaca: oh, if the store stays this way the client gets more logic, and the store gets more load
[12:24] <Chipaca> ok, i'm going to move on for now, but this is a problem and needs addressing at some point
[12:24] <sergiusens> Chipaca: we'd download two bits; the store json (and icon) and the actual package (which would be a list of hashed files)
[12:24] * Chipaca comes back
[12:24] <Chipaca> sergiusens: k
[12:25] <sergiusens> Chipaca: but let's break the lie about package.yaml and readme.md if it is just to "seed"
[12:29] <Chipaca> sergiusens: i didn't quite follow you there
[12:29] <Chipaca> beuno: tbh i'm starting to wonder whether having the click and snappy stores conjoined is still a good idea
[12:29] <Chipaca> we seem to be making things harder for ourselves as we go
[12:30] <beuno> Chipaca, I asked if I could double the team size and they counter-offered with taking away half
[12:31] <Chipaca> beuno: just in case it sounded that way, i'm not saying you or your team messed up; i do believe we've at each step collectively taken the shortest path to get places
[12:31] <Chipaca> as we should
[12:32] <beuno> Chipaca, :)
[12:32] <beuno> Chipaca, so what would you propose?
[12:32] <beuno> splitting away from parsing the json?
[12:32] <Chipaca> beuno: i'd propose coffee
[12:32] <Chipaca> :)
[12:32] <beuno> Chipaca, SOLD!
[12:32] <JamesTait> I like proposals like that.
[12:33] <Chipaca> beuno: wrt the store, is it the case that it and the cpi is getting riddled with click-vs-snappy complications? or is it still relatively unified?
[12:34] <Chipaca> JamesTait: ^ might be for you actually
[12:34] * Chipaca puts on the kettle
[12:35] <beuno> Chipaca, I haven't seen keeping that backwards compatibility force us to make compromises
[12:35] <beuno> but JamesTait and nessita would have a more boots-on-the-ground answer
[12:35] <JamesTait> I'm a little out of touch with the big picture, tbh, but unless things have changed drastically the differences between handling a click package and a snap package are miniscule.
[12:36] <Chipaca> on the client side it is a little fiddly, and that's without trying to make the remote-vs-local thing go away
[12:36] <JamesTait> Like, we parse a yaml file instead of a json file, and we set the is_snap flag to True.
[12:36] <beuno> Chipaca, the phone went through the same remote-vs-local phase, FWIW
[12:36] <Chipaca> ....
[12:36] <Chipaca> JamesTait: you parse a yaml file?
[12:36] <beuno> JamesTait, we still parse the json
[12:36] <JamesTait> * May be simplifying slightly.
[12:37] <beuno> and snap packages copy over the yaml to json :)
[12:37] <Chipaca> “copy”
[12:37] <Chipaca> “yaml”
[12:37] <beuno> Chipaca, so, for the most part, we can't split the stores
[12:37] <beuno> because most of our deliverables apply to both
[12:37] <Chipaca> it sounds like the store is doing the least work, and we're all muddled on the client
[12:38] <Chipaca> which is not terrible, as long as we can resolve the local-vs-remote without further muddling (and which might explain why we didn't really jump at the download-another-json idea)
[12:38] <beuno> Chipaca, so I think the idea of downloadind a metadata blob from the store is a recurring thing
[12:38] <beuno> the flat namespace is a good example
[12:39] <beuno> another one will be the apparmor profile
[12:39] <beuno> which we'd like to split out and have the store attach to apps at some point
[12:40] <beuno> my guess is we'll end up downlading and storing a separate blob of metadata anyway
[12:40] <ogra_> hello apt lists
[12:41] <ogra_> :P
[12:41] <beuno> ogra_, you mean, parsing out of a file on one path instead of another? :)
[12:42] <ogra_> well, i thought the scope of snappy was to get right of index files
[12:42] <beuno> also, if we're re-implementing apt, lets bring back dependencies! I think that's what makes it fun
[12:42] <ogra_> *rid
[12:42] <Chipaca> beuno: i am not opposed to downloading and storing separate metadata*; i'm opposed to having three different metadata sources :)
[12:43] <beuno> ogra_, index files *with all apps in the archive*
[12:43] <beuno> ogra_, not the ones you have :)
[12:43] <beuno> Chipaca, SO PICKY! :)
[12:43] <beuno> Chipaca, agreed
[12:43] <Chipaca> * i'd quesiton whether it needs to be separate on disk, or could be on-the-fly glommed into an ar (to make debugging easier maybe)
[12:44] <sergiusens> +1 on having one source of information
[12:44] <beuno> Chipaca, so my naive mental model here is that you download the json blob from the store on download, refresh it every now and then, always query that for any metadata
[12:44] <mvo_> fwiw, I dislike the idea of having metadata that is not reflected in the package. mostly on philosophical grounds right now (can not be version controlled for example and packages are no longer self-contained). but thats just me
[12:45] <mvo_> plus its something we need to authenticated seperately, ideally having a gpg signature for the blob too
[12:45] <sergiusens> mvo_: that's why I asked for the store not to allow edits
[12:45] <Chipaca> beuno: "refresh it every now and then" is problematic
[12:45] <mvo_> sergiusens: I like that better than the alternatives
[12:45] <Chipaca> beuno: otherwise, with you
[12:45] <sergiusens> beuno: mark said no caching
[12:45] <beuno> Chipaca, I'm sure cron accepts "now and then" as a parameter
[12:45] <mvo_> especially since when we have delta downloads it won't matter if someone uploads a new version
[12:45] <Chipaca> mvo_: problem is delta uploads :)
[12:46] <beuno> sergiusens, I don't think he meant that. We've discussed downloading a metadata blob separate from the package many times
[12:46] <beuno> mvo_, it won't matter to the user
[12:46] <mvo_> Chipaca: is it ;) we could make that work easily via snappy upload
[12:46] <beuno> mvo_, it'll matter to the developer uploading 800mb
[12:46] <sergiusens> beuno: right, but caching on the client he said no; ask lool ;-)
[12:46] <beuno> mvo_, and spamming 100k users with a no-op download to s/downlod/download
[12:46] <mvo_> beuno: if we sign hashes.yaml thats a solvable problem
[12:47] <mvo_> beuno: we spam even more users if we cron a apt-get update like snappy run
[12:47] <beuno> sergiusens, I'll bring it up, I think it will have been a different context
[12:47] <mvo_> don't get me wrong I'm not totally opposed but I dislike it
[12:47] <Chipaca> i think there is a workable way
[12:47] <mvo_> and I think it will come back and hunt is in bad ways
[12:47] <beuno> mvo_, I wouldn't cron, I'd update the list whenever you talk to the store, snappy update, etc
[12:48] <lool> there will always be metadata outside of the package though
[12:48] <lool> like reviews
[12:48] <beuno> right
[12:48] <beuno> and, again, we already have the flat namespace
[12:49] <lool> all the metadata that the client might require while offline needs ot be in the package
[12:49] <beuno> well
[12:49] <beuno> that's the issue here
[12:49] <beuno> we disagree on that
[12:49] <Chipaca> ummm
[12:50] <Chipaca> maybe :)
[12:50] <Chipaca> lool: there is metadata you don't have when you're offline
[12:50] <lool> Chipaca: yeah, like reviews, that's fine
[12:50] <Chipaca> yep, and all those don't need to live with the package
[12:50] <lool> but you need things like the icon, the translated name
[12:50] <Chipaca> on disc
[12:51] <Chipaca> however, the package when the user creates it is a series of metadata chunks, and the binary itself
[12:51] <Chipaca> that's then sliced and diced into a .snap file
[12:51] <Chipaca> and signed
[12:51] <sergiusens> webdm ad click scope see a lot of problems with the current model fwiw
[12:51] <Chipaca> so you have a file that is, conceptually at least, a series of blobs and their signatures
[12:52] <beuno> s/see a lot of problems/haven't implemented separate metadata storage
[12:52] <Chipaca> when you download the package, the blobs get put in certain places, and you get the original package back again
[12:52] <lool> maybe it's just confusing to have a general discussion on metadata and we only need to list the actual data and use cases
[12:52] <Chipaca> currently, the store treats the package itself as a single blob
[12:52] <Chipaca> however that does not need to stay that way
[12:53] <Chipaca> the store could treat it as a series of blob,sign pairs
[12:53] <Chipaca> and stream those
[12:53] <Chipaca> and then on unpack we'd put the metadata blob wherever, and would be none the wise
[12:53] <beuno> right
[12:53] <beuno> indeed we could
[12:53] <Chipaca> while on the server the metadata blob was stored in a database, instead of in disc, and editing happens right there
[12:53] <beuno> there is metadata that the store will provide that the package won't, like UUID
[12:54] <beuno> so the file you give the store might not match exact what is served back
[12:54] <Chipaca> and the overall signature also
[12:55] <Chipaca> but that gives an on-disc and on-the-wire format that are the same, and an in-store format that lets us edit metadata
[12:55] * beuno nods
[12:55] <Chipaca> and it's all *almost* there
[12:55] <sergiusens> beuno: it's fine for the store to provide more data; it's bad for it to modify provided data
[12:55] <Chipaca> we've just not been thinking about it in these terms
[12:55] <Chipaca> sergiusens: why is it bad?
[12:55] <beuno> sergiusens, it isn't, the user is!
[12:56] <Chipaca> gosh this coffee is strong :)
[12:56] <beuno> and I don't want to force the user to re-upload 800mb to fix a typo, or even generate a new file and upload that
[12:56] <beuno> there's a nice web ui for them to do that
[12:56] <sergiusens> Chipaca: the packaging layout is meant to be navigateable so the user can browse what's installed easily, if I look at package.yaml it will be all wrong
[12:56] <Chipaca> sergiusens: you weren't following me maybe
[12:57] <Chipaca> sergiusens: or maybe i wasn't clear
[12:57] <sergiusens> Chipaca: if we delete package.yaml (or most of it) then fine
[12:57] <sergiusens> and please lets get rid of readme.md
[12:57] <Chipaca> sergiusens: the on-disc (and on-the-wire) format of the snap package has all the metadata in one place; call it the package.yaml
[12:57] <sergiusens> Chipaca: that's _$version
[12:58] <sergiusens> which we talked about
[12:58] <Chipaca> sergiusens: the store streams out the package.yaml from the database, and the binary blob from wherever; the client just gets a stream with package.yaml in there
[12:58] <sergiusens> Chipaca: ok, and does that need constant updating?
[12:59] <Chipaca> sergiusens: that is a separate discussion i have no horse in
[12:59] <beuno> Chipaca, sergiusens, another example of out-of-package metadata is release
[12:59] <Chipaca> sergiusens: it could be, it could not be
[12:59] <Chipaca> sergiusens: also, this might make _$version not necessary
[13:00] <Chipaca> but we are talking something that is not jfdi-level of change
[13:00] <beuno> and one that is convenient, because we can re-target the same binary to newer releases without changing it
[13:00] * JamesTait heads off for lunch
[13:01] <sergiusens> beuno: I know of all these extras, I just don't like the sources being mangled with
[13:01] <Chipaca> beuno: while we're at it, if in the store a binary is a stream of (data,signature) pairs, you could store and stream deltas instead of whole packages
[13:01] <sergiusens> beuno: if the source is the store and the only reason we have a package.yaml is to seed, then it shouldn't be there at all
[13:02] <beuno> Chipaca, not sure I follow, deltas is still being pondered by mvo, on where to slice
[13:02] <beuno> per file, binary deltas, etc
[13:06] <Chipaca> beuno: i'm not sure we're talking of the same level of deltas; what i mean is you could xdelta v1 and v2 and only store/stream the xdelta between them (looking at the binary blob alone)
[13:06] <Chipaca> but that's probably exactly what mvo is looking at :)
[13:06] <Chipaca> and it's even more pie-in-the-sky than the rest of the above
[13:06] <Chipaca> sergiusens: i'm not sure i understand your "seeding" argument
[13:08] <sergiusens> Chipaca: that was martin's initial argument, package.yaml is in the package just to seed the initial store configuration.
[13:08] <sergiusens> Chipaca: and that it shouldn't be relied upon
[13:09] <Chipaca> sergiusens: but that's not where we finished, is it?
[13:09] <sergiusens> Chipaca: if we stream the files as you say, this may be not relevant but is considered "tampering" with the packaging
[13:09] <sergiusens> Chipaca: changing uploaded files is weird, but then again it's not as the same user is changing them from a webform
[13:10] <sergiusens> unless they do package signing themselves...
[13:11] <Chipaca> sergiusens: we could build and sign the binary blob (and by binary blob here i mean everything-user-provided-but-meta/) with the user's key, and sign the meta blob with our key
[13:11] <Chipaca> sergiusens: because meta is “ours”
[13:11] <Chipaca> that's the whole point
[13:12] <Chipaca> well, it's one of the whole points :-p
[13:12] <nessita> beuno, Chipaca , JamesTait: correct that the store treats snaps and clicks 95% equally. And yes, for now we only support .json files for the package metadata on upload
[13:12] <sergiusens> Chipaca: your idea makes me happy; well anything that gets us out of N sources of information makes me happy
[13:13] <Chipaca> sergiusens: note my idea is 95%* reinterpreting what we already have
[13:13] <Chipaca> * some statistics copied from nessita
[13:13] <sergiusens> lol
[13:13] <Chipaca> and then following up those reinterpretations, but nothing "new" really there
[13:14] <Chipaca> anyway, somebody should write this down before we forgot we agreed on something
[13:14] <sergiusens> Chipaca: that's why we have architects; let's leave that to th people about to sprint :-P
[13:14] * beuno hits control + p > A4 > Print
[13:14] <Chipaca> i'll send an email
[13:15] <Chipaca> beuno: +1 :)
[13:15] <sergiusens> Chipaca: I sent a short one to rsalveti to start discussing during the architecture meetings
[13:15] <sergiusens> Chipaca: before I thought the conversation would stop short (as it did most of the time)
[13:16] * sergiusens now feels hungry after what just happened
[13:22] <seb128> sergiusens, hey, I saw that you have goget changes up for review for personnal, any idea when that should land?
[13:29] <sergiusens> seb128: in a bit
[13:29] <sergiusens> seb128: but the images I create go into a boot loop (kvm)
[13:29] <sergiusens> seb128: did you have a succesful build yet?
[13:29] <seb128> sergiusens, yeah, I don't understand
[13:29] <seb128> grub has 4 entries
[13:29] <seb128> the first one which is snappy boot and goes back to grub
[13:30] <seb128> the "ubuntu" one fails to boot/hang in the middle of init jobs
[13:30] <seb128> I tried to boot on upstart, it stops on what seems like cloud-init's job having issues with the fs being ro
[13:30] <seb128> exceptions about creating a dir
[13:31] <seb128> sergiusens, yeah, I got it to work on amd64, doesn't work on i386 though (it's still giving me the partitions error, even with the 10G)
[13:33] <sergiusens> seb128: there shouldn't be differences there
[13:34] <sergiusens> seb128: also try sudo losetup -d /dev/loop[0-9] before starting
[13:34] <seb128> sergiusens, thanks
[13:34] <seb128> sergiusens, anyway the amd64 issue is having those boot issues, I'm trying to have a look but didn't find anything useful so far
[13:34] <seb128> did you?
[13:35] <sergiusens> seb128: no, this was late last night
[13:37] <dholbach> hey JamesTait - I have a question :)
[13:37] <dholbach> JamesTait, if I use the app store APIs, can I filter for certain snap types?
[13:37] <JamesTait> dholbach, "certain snap types"?
[13:38] <dholbach> JamesTait, like a gadget snap, a framework snap, etc
[13:39] <dholbach> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/package-metadata/ → 'type'
[13:39] <JamesTait> dholbach, I don't know if we have that metadata available. The analogue in click packages would be content: app|scope I think.
[13:40] <sergiusens> JamesTait: we do
[13:40] <dholbach> JamesTait, can I filter for snaps right now, as opposed to clicks?
[13:41] <sergiusens> JamesTait: dholbach https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/package/docker "content" in there
[13:41] <sergiusens> as an example
[13:41] <nessita> JamesTait, we do have it, in the same field
[13:41] <nessita> allowed types for far are application, framework
[13:41] <nessita> (for snaps)
[13:41] <sergiusens> nessita: and oem
[13:41] <JamesTait> nessita, right, I was just trying to find one. ☺
[13:42] <sergiusens> here's an oem one https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/package/beagleblack
[13:42] <sergiusens> dholbach: to filter pass X-Ubuntu-Framework: ubuntu-core-15.04-dev1 (when can we rid ourselves from this? :-P)
[13:43] <JamesTait> dholbach, https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/search?q=content:"framework"
[13:43] <sergiusens> dholbach: and also X-Ubuntu-Release: [15.04-core|rolling-core|rolling-personal]
[13:44] <nessita> sergiusens, what do you mean with getting rid of the framework header?
[13:44] <sergiusens> JamesTait: can we do that with release and framework as well?
[13:44] <sergiusens> nessita: as in ubuntu-core-15.04-dev1
[13:44] <sergiusens> nessita: it's a meta question, I know it was set back in due to some apparmor issues as well ;-)
[13:45] <JamesTait> sergiusens, yes, you can.
[13:45] <sergiusens> kyrofa: do you have time to meet today?
[13:45] <sergiusens> JamesTait: neat, which is more efficient? as query param or http header?
[13:46] <sergiusens> rsalveti: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/goget-ubuntu-touch/0.24-0ubuntu1 (why it is in no pocket I don't know)
[13:47] <JamesTait> sergiusens, they're slightly different. As an HTTP header makes it a filter, so the index will only return results that depend *only* on frameworks that are in your list.
[13:47] <rsalveti> sergiusens: in a vortex :-)
[13:47] <rsalveti> sergiusens: thanks
[13:48] <JamesTait> sergiusens, if you send "X-Ubuntu-Frameworks: ubuntu-core-15.04", then packages that declare 'framework: ["ubuntu-core-15.04", "docker-1.0"]' won't be returned.
[13:48] <JamesTait> sergiusens, whereas just putting it in the query string will return them regardless.
[13:49] <sergiusens> JamesTait: so http header is all or nothing? You make me ask questiong about our code base now :-P
[13:51] <JamesTait> sergiusens, HTTP header filters out stuff you can't install (due to missing frameworks). So phones don't see packages targered at core, for example.
[13:51] <JamesTait> Yet, anyway.
[13:53] <sergiusens> JamesTait: but it's an || and not and && right?
[13:54] <sergiusens> JamesTait: as in you have to satisfy at least one of the declared frameworks
[13:56] <JamesTait> sergiusens, you have to satisfy all of the frameworks that the package declares. It's neither || nor && because you might have a bunch of other frameworks installed that make no difference to the package. As long as what's in the package metadata is a subset of what you send in the header, you'll see the package.
[13:58] <JamesTait> sergiusens, there's an example in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Interfaces/ClickPackageIndex#Frameworks
[14:03] <elopio> fgimenez: meeting
[14:04] <fgimenez> elopio, omw
[14:07] <sergiusens> JamesTait: shouldn't this http://paste.ubuntu.com/11730647/ only return docker?
[14:09] <JamesTait> sergiusens, it should return packages where framework is one of: ["docker"] ["docker", "ubuntu-core-15.04-dev1"] ["ubuntu-core-15.04-dev1"]
[14:13] <sergiusens> JamesTait: ah, so that was an || in my mind :-P
[14:27] <fgimenez> sergiusens, adding a 'img' flag would help? something like 'go run _integration-tests/main.go -img /path/to/img'
[14:29] <sergiusens> fgimenez: well, I need to test the u-d-f output too
[14:29] <sergiusens> fgimenez: stdout should warn about --device
[14:33] <sergiusens> rsalveti: we need an ubuntu-snappy release and to rebuild u-d-f after that to allow --install docker :-/
[14:34] <rsalveti> sergiusens: sure
[14:35] <rsalveti> sergiusens: anything waiting to be merged in ubuntu-snappy or can we just release current trunk?
[14:36] <sergiusens> @activereviews
[14:36] <nothal> sergiusens: No such command!
[14:36] <sergiusens> @activereview
[14:36] <nothal> sergiusens: No such command!
[14:36] <sergiusens> @help
[14:36] <nothal> "list" To see the available commands ; "help cmd" for specific command help
[14:36] <sergiusens> @list
[14:36] <nothal> The available commands are: ['bug', 'critical', 'help', 'last', 'list', 'more', 'ping', 'reviewlist', 'seen']
[14:36] <sergiusens> @reviewlist
[14:36] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/snappy/snappy-gettext/+merge/262202 | No reviews (less than a day old)
[14:36] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/snappy/snappy-console/+merge/262061 | Approve: 1 (less than a day old)
[14:36] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~fgimenez/snappy/go-functional-tests/+merge/261748 | No reviews (5 days old)
[14:36] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/snappy/snappy-verify/+merge/261718 | No reviews (5 days old)
[14:36] <nothal> https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/snappy/snappy-improve-developer-mode-detection/+merge/261646 | No reviews (6 days old)
[14:37] <ogra_> @tellsergiuenstostopplaying
[14:37] <nothal> ogra_: No such command!
[14:37] <sergiusens> ogra_: I was tied to lp speak
[14:37] <ogra_> heh
[14:37] <sergiusens> rsalveti: no, nothing in queue
[14:39] <rsalveti> let me release that then
[14:46] <JamesTait> sergiusens, sorry to disappear; other people needing attention, school run, I need a clone. ☺
[14:47] <JamesTait> sergiusens, so a query string like ?q=framework:ubuntu-sdk-15.04-dev1,framework:docker would give you an ||
[14:56] <sergiusens> fgimenez: maybe update _integration-tests/README with the go run comment
[14:56] <rsalveti> sergiusens: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-snappy/1.2-0ubuntu1
[14:57] <sergiusens> rsalveti: thanks
[15:01] <JamesTait> Also, sergiusens, by default query-string search terms are analysed and do prefix matching, so ?q=framework:docker will also match packages with framework: ["docker-1.3"]. Wrapping the term in quotes should prevent that and make it a literal phrase search, but that doesn't seem to be the case any more. I'll need to dig a bit to work out why.
[15:01] <sergiusens> JamesTait: it does literals for package names at least as nessita showed me
[15:02] <sergiusens> JamesTait: so I want headers and not query strings for this and that last comment settles it
[15:03] <nessita> sergiusens, yes you do
[15:04] <sergiusens> nessita: err, what
[15:04] * JamesTait grabs a drink
[15:05] <sergiusens> nessita: in any case I know what I mean :-)
[15:05] <seb128> sergiusens, I found issues on the iso build which explain the hang, fixing them in livecd-rootfs now
[15:05] <sergiusens> seb128: oh nice, any reason why the image is so big?
[15:06] <seb128> sergiusens, define "so big"?
[15:06] <seb128> it's 2.5G
[15:06] <ogra_> compressed ?!?
[15:07] <seb128> ogra_, well, the ubuntu desktop iso is likge 1G
[15:08] <sergiusens> ogra_: 2.5 uncompressed
[15:08] <seb128> and the snappy image is x2 because of the a-b partitions
[15:08] <seb128> so seems about right to me?
[15:08] <ogra_> ah, uncompressed
[15:09] <ogra_> that sounds rather sane
[15:09] <fgimenez> sergiusens, sure thx! elopio suggested changing the way we build images depending on the type of test being executed
[15:09] <kgunn> jdstrand: tyhicks thanks for help y'day, i made good progress....last thing i'm struggling with is a script that is part of the snap that launches the server
[15:09] <kgunn> i'm getting ubuntu-core-launcher:/apps/mir/snap1/bin/server.real pidof: Operation not permitted
[15:09] <fgimenez> sergiusens, elopio we still need to define how to group tests tough
[15:09] <kgunn> but i've already add /bin/pidof to may aa file, which took care of the denial
[15:10] <kgunn> any ideas?
[15:11] <kgunn> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kgunn72/mir/snappy-packaging-with-secprofile/view/head:/server
[15:11] <kgunn> that's the script ^
[15:11] <kgunn> is it b/c it's outside of the mir binary itself ?
[15:12] <sergiusens> kgunn: add u or U (I forget which one is the more correct one)
[15:13] <sergiusens> kgunn: /bin/pidof Umrix,
[15:13] <kgunn> sergiusens: thanks! i'll try that
[15:13] <kgunn> sergiusens: i had added everything but that i think :)
[15:14] <sergiusens> kgunn: I have that a plenty; uU is for run unconfined
[15:14] <sergiusens> one cleans up the env while the other doesn't
[15:17] <tyhicks> Ux scrubs the environment
[15:17] <kgunn> tyhicks: what means "scrubs"
[15:17] * kgunn grunts like caveman
[15:18] <tyhicks> kgunn: it attempts to remove any risky environment variables
[15:18] <ogra_> kgunn, audio or it didnt happen !
[15:19] <kgunn> :)
[15:19] <ogra_> :)
[15:19] <tyhicks> I don't like the idea of snaps being able to do unconfined transitions while calling out to external binaries
[15:20] <tyhicks> I'm not sure if that's what jdstrand has been recommending for situations like this or not
[15:21] <tyhicks> using Ux will get you unblocked for now but we may end up wanting to do something more secure
[15:21] <kgunn> tyhicks: no problem....i'm game to be a guinea pig
[15:21] <kgunn> i am getting a little heat to get mir in the store tho :)
[15:21] <mvo_> mterry: my work on the debian stuff https://github.com/mvo5/gettext/tree/debian
[15:22] <kgunn> tyhicks: do you consider using u on pidof ok for store use ?
[15:22] <longsleep> Hey folks, can someone explain the strategy how snappy can use the full disk / resizing automatically on first boot or something?
[15:22] <tyhicks> kgunn: well, jdstrand is the one that has been defining those boundaries so I'll defer to him
[15:23] <mterry> mvo_, I don't have a branch for mine -- sorry we collided, I tried to ping you but I think I got a stale copy of your irc client (mvo__ with two underscores if I recall)
[15:23] <mterry> mvo_, we used the same source and binary names, so at least we won't get two copies
[15:24] <mterry> mvo_, I fixed the test issue though by copying example files into the obj-* dir
[15:25] <barry> mvo_: yep, i'm confused :) can you elaborate on what you want for LP: #1466124 ?
[15:25] <mvo_> mterry: oh, nice! I thanks for fixing the tests. lets just merge it together
[15:25] <mvo_> barry: meh, I figured I did not express myself very well
[15:25] <mterry> mvo_, just add
[15:25] <mterry> override_dh_auto_test:
[15:25] <mterry> # copy data files in
[15:25] <mterry> cp -r examples/*/ obj-*/src/github.com/gosexy/gettext/examples/
[15:25] <mterry> dh_auto_test
[15:25] <mterry> mvo_, to yours
[15:25] <barry> mvo_: s'okay :)
[15:25] <mvo_> barry: once sec, I'm in a meeting right now, won't help with being consistent
[15:25] <mvo_> eh or understandable or anything really
[15:26] <mvo_> mterry: \o/
[15:26] <mterry> mvo_, and then maybe switch your deletion of those files to dh_auto_install rather than dh_auto_build
[15:27] <jdstrand> sergiusens: your 'U's and 'u's are not necessarily recommended
[15:27] <jdstrand> kgunn: can you paste the full denial?
[15:28] <jdstrand> kgunn: can you use 'rmix' (ie, don't use 'U') and try again, showing me the denial?
[15:28] <jdstrand> kgunn: is this something that can run in a kvm ubuntu-core image?
[15:30] <tyhicks> note that pidoff isn't as innocent as it may seem, from the pidof(8) man page:
[15:30] <tyhicks> "pidof is actually the same program as killall5"
[15:30] <jdstrand> yes
[15:30] <jdstrand> so I'd prefer ix so we can then use signal mediation
[15:31] <tyhicks> agreed
[15:31] <mvo_> tedg: hi, so what exactly is it you need? the uri of the source package?
[15:31] * jdstrand notes this is a framework, but frameworks are privileged and we should stop using demo policy and do real policy for these things
[15:32] <tedg> mvo_, This is what I did. Get from binary packages to the list of dev packages associated with them: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11731018/
[15:32] <tedg> mvo_, The list is hardcoded in that example.
[15:32] <mvo_> tedg: thanks, let me have a look
[15:37] <mvo_> tedg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11731045/ is slightly shorter but yeah, srcpkg stuff is not the strength of python-apt
[15:37] <mvo_> tedg: this examle needs updating in the api docs :/ it does not reflect the latest features of python-apt. thanks for finding that
[15:39] <tedg> mvo_, The other example that is really bad is this one, as it is camel case and the functions aren't: https://apt.alioth.debian.org/python-apt-doc/library/apt_pkg.html#apt_pkg.PackageRecords.lookup
[15:39] <tedg> mvo_, That's where I came up with the stuff that you deleted :-)
[15:41] <mvo_> mterry: hm, if your package has this already fixed, we could simply use your version?
[15:42] <mvo_> tedg: uh, indeed, that needs fixing
[15:42] <mvo_> barry: ok, so … let me try again. we "hook" into the upgrade (the apply hook) with our custom upgrader. when that is run we currently check the options if the user requested to use machine-readable output
[15:43] <mterry> mvo_, other differences I see: I add misc:Built-Using, and I do actually ship the examples folder (since go seems to like to ship the _test.go files, and they are needed to make it work
[15:43] <mvo_> barry: our branch set this in the global config object
[15:43] <mterry> mvo_, but I'm not convinced the examples folder should be shipped, so yours might be doing the right thing there
[15:43] <mvo_> mterry: right, lets keep yours if its actually more complete, or is there a downside?
[15:43] <mterry> mvo_, just the examples folder
[15:44] <mterry> mvo_, and no source tree
[15:44] <mterry> mvo_, in vcs that is
[15:44] <mvo_> barry: but it seems like with the current 3.0 I can not get the information if the user has requested a machine-readable output
[15:44] <kgunn> jdstrand: hey, sorry, was on a HO...
[15:44] <kgunn> yeah so i ran last night with
[15:44] <mterry> mvo_, how would we stop one of our uploads?
[15:44] <kgunn> /bin/pidof mrix,
[15:44] <mterry> I'm not used to cancelling an upload
[15:45] <kgunn> and the error was ubuntu-core-launcher:/apps/mir/snap1/bin/server.real pidof: Operation not permitted
[15:45] <mvo_> mterry: ok, no vcs is ok, mine is just a single commit so far. and if yours does not need further changes I'm in favour of keep it :)
[15:45] <mterry> mvo_, alright
[15:45] <jdstrand> kgunn: what is the apparmor denial? grep DEN /var/log/syslog
[15:45] <barry> mvo_: oh, do you just mean that the hook doesn't know whether --progress=json was provided on the cli?
[15:45] <kgunn> jdstrand: that's just it....there's not one
[15:45] <mvo_> mterry: we can just reject my upload, I can ask the archive admins to do that
[15:45] <mvo_> barry: yeah, exactly that
[15:46] <mvo_> barry: so it might be as simple as setting it as a transient config in the global config object
[15:46] <mvo_> barry: thats what I did in the fork we are currently using
[15:46] <barry> mvo_: ah, okay, that should be easy to expose in the global config
[15:46] <barry> yeah
[15:46] <jdstrand> kgunn: is there a seccomp denial?
[15:46] <kgunn> jdstrand: nope
[15:47] <barry> mvo_: thanks, i'll update the bug description. is it worth holding up 3.0.1 into wily to actually do a quick 3.0.2, or can i target that at 3.1?
[15:47] <jdstrand> kgunn: did you disable kernel rate limiting?
[15:47] <kgunn> jdstrand: nope, but i can try that now
[15:47] <mvo_> barry: its not blocking us, I just always spit out json to stdout now
[15:48] <barry> mvo_: cool, thanks
[15:48] <mvo_> barry: which is bad but its only snappy thats driving it right now, so its not too terrible
[15:48] <barry> mvo_: ack
[15:48] <mvo_> thanks! and sorry that it was so confused
[15:49] <barry> no worries!
[15:50] <barry> mvo_: thanks. description updated. please sanity check
[15:51] <mvo_> barry: yes, thats it
[15:53] <barry> mvo_: \o/
[15:59] <kgunn> jdstrand: so diabled kernel rate limiting (with sudo sysctl -w kernel.printk_ratelimit=0)
[16:00] <kgunn> run via systemctl start mir-blah.service
[16:00] <kgunn> the syslog just shows
[16:01] <kgunn> "systemd started system compositor"
[16:01] <kgunn> no seccomp or aa denial error
[16:01] <kgunn> but...system compositor doesn't appear in process list
[16:01] <ogra_> hack it to spit out more info ?
[16:02] <ogra_> (the systemd unit i mean)
[16:03] <jdstrand> kgunn: does the service try to drop privs and then regain them?
[16:06] <kgunn> jdstrand: i don't think so, the system compositors run as root....
[16:07] <kgunn> mterry: ^ any privlegde changes ?
[16:07] <jdstrand> kgunn: try using @unrestricted as the seccomp policy
[16:07] <mterry> kgunn, I don't think so
[16:07] <mterry> kgunn, is it waiting for agetty?
[16:08] <mterry> kgunn, or did the server shell script bail for some reason?
[16:09] <kgunn> mterry: sorry to bother you this is all about getting sec policy for mir correct (as fmwk) to get in store....
[16:09] <mterry> kgunn, right (pidof stuff still?)
[16:09] <kgunn> worked through all the aa & seccomp errors, now stuck on pidof in the launching script
[16:10] <kgunn> brb
[16:22] <elopio> ogra_: do you want to top-approve? https://code.launchpad.net/~zyga/snappy-hub/fix-1464275/+merge/261833
[16:24] <kgunn> jdstrand: ok, so running with bin/pidof & bin/sleep :q
[16:24] <ogra_> elopio, done
[16:24] <kgunn> oops ignore the :q
[16:25] <kgunn> pidof and sleep with mrux, and syslog shows both "Opertation not permitted" just like before
[16:26] <kgunn> note, that was without the kernel rate liimiting denial disabled
[17:08] <rsalveti> ogra_: sergiusens_: mvo_: one interesting problem: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/vivid/daily-preinstalled/pending/
[17:09] <rsalveti> the azure device tarball is not getting updated from the build, since 9-jun
[17:09] <rsalveti> but from the build log, it seems it was created
[17:09] <rsalveti> how to find out what is going on at the cdimage side of things?
[17:11] <ogra_> there should be cdimage logs
[17:11] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-core/wily/
[17:12] <ogra_> hmm, no mention of azure in there at all
[17:12] <ogra_> could it be that they need to have manual intervention ?
[17:12] <rsalveti> maybe we're not building it
[17:12] <rsalveti> # now build the azure device tarball by adding walinuxagent
[17:12] <rsalveti> if [ -e binary/boot/filesystem.dir/var/lib/dpkg/info/walinuxagent.list ];
[17:12] <rsalveti> the check
[17:13] <rsalveti> this is for vivid
[17:13] <rsalveti> yeah, we're not building it
[17:14] <ogra_> right
[17:14] <rsalveti> # now build the azure device tarball by adding walinuxagent
[17:14] <rsalveti> if [ -e binary/boot/filesystem.dir/var/lib/dpkg/info/walinuxagent.list ];
[17:14] <rsalveti> argh
[17:14] <ogra_> if it exists cdimage downloads it as seen in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-core/wily/daily-preinstalled-20150609.log
[17:14] <rsalveti> daily-preinstalled-20150609.log
[17:14] <rsalveti> the last one that had it
[17:14] <rsalveti> yeah
[17:14] <rsalveti> daily-preinstalled-20150612.log already failed to generate it
[17:15] * rsalveti looks for walinuxagent related changes
[17:15] <ogra_> hmm http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-core/wily/daily-preinstalled-20150610.log ... that downloaded it as well
[17:15] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, that's wily
[17:15] <rsalveti> for vivid we don't have 0610
[17:15] <ogra_> oh
[17:15] <rsalveti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-core/vivid/?C=M;O=D
[17:16] <ogra_> right
[17:16] <ogra_> i missed the "vivid" in the url above
[17:16] <rsalveti> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/209278613/buildlog_ubuntu_vivid_amd64_ubuntu-core-system-image_BUILDING.txt.gz
[17:16] <rsalveti> but it seems it was actually created ^
[17:17] <rsalveti> + tar -c -z -f /build/device.tar.gz system assets hardware.yaml
[17:17] <rsalveti> this from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-system-image/
[17:17] <rsalveti> checking the latest amd64 image
[17:19] <jdstrand> kgunn: can you try with seccomp policy as @unrestricted?
[17:19] <jdstrand> kgunn: (sorry, been in a meeting)
[17:19] * jdstrand is still in the meeting
[17:21] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: ogra_ we are probably not building it for wily and porbably don't want it either (to be replaced with gadget snaps)
[17:22] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: right, wily is fine to not build it
[17:22] <rsalveti> my concerned is that we're not building it for vivid
[17:22] <rsalveti> *concern
[17:22] <rsalveti> launchpad says we're building it, but the cdimage log is not showing that it copied it over
[17:22] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: but, but, but we released a few weeks ago
[17:22] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: yeah, failed the next day
[17:22] <rsalveti> after the release
[17:23] <rsalveti> since the release day, we didn't get any other update
[17:23] <rsalveti> and nothing really changed on our side
[17:24] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: system image's index says something different http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/15.04/edge/azure_amd64/index.json
[17:24] <sergiusens_> last entry, version_detail
[17:24] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: right, that is fine, since cdimage is publishing the tarball, but the older one
[17:24] <sergiusens_> ah, the device tarball is stuck
[17:24] <rsalveti> that's the usual issue with the cdimage side
[17:24] <rsalveti> if something fails, it will just copy the older ones
[17:24] <rsalveti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/vivid/daily-preinstalled/pending/
[17:25] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: check the date ^
[17:25] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: let's blame ogra!
[17:25] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: yeah, that's why I said device tarball is stuck :-P
[17:25] <sergiusens_> I'll brb
[17:25] <ogra_> yeah, just blame me
[17:28] <rsalveti> ogra_: where can I find the previous live-build logs?
[17:29] <rsalveti> since we moved that to launchpad
[17:33] <rsalveti> slangasek: maybe you can help with this ^?
[17:34] <rsalveti> basically I'm trying to figure out why device-azure.tar.gz wasn't published as part of cdimage for the last few images
[17:34] <slangasek> rsalveti: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-core for instance?
[17:34] <rsalveti> slangasek: I'm looking at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-system-image/
[17:34] <rsalveti> but I can only see a few
[17:34] <rsalveti> and not easily go back in time
[17:35] <slangasek> ah
[17:35] <slangasek> rsalveti: if you know which build you're looking for (from cdimage's POV), you can find the url to the exact build log in the log on nusakan
[17:36] <rsalveti> would be 20150609
[17:36] <rsalveti> slangasek: do you know where to look?
[17:37] <slangasek> rsalveti: /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/log/ubuntu-core/wily/daily-preinstalled-20150609.log
[17:37] <slangasek> ubuntu-core-system-image-amd64 on Launchpad starting at 2015-06-09 04:56:02
[17:37] <slangasek> ubuntu-core-system-image-amd64: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-core-system-image/+build/29185
[17:38] <rsalveti> slangasek: awesome, thanks!
[17:39] <rsalveti> yeah, build seems fine
[17:39] * rsalveti looks for the cdimage cdo
[17:39] <rsalveti> code
[17:41] <ogra_> slangasek, any idea why we stopped mirroring them to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/ ?
[17:41] <ogra_> it is quite handy to have all of them in one place
[17:41] <slangasek> no idea, no
[17:42] <rsalveti> ogra_: slangasek: so there is no 'azure' at all in the cdimage code
[17:42] <rsalveti> and the only update, that happened at last 11, was to add the personal
[17:43] <rsalveti> and that probably caused a sync
[17:43] <rsalveti> who added the azure logic in there?
[17:43] <ogra_> well, i had the impression the cloud stuff was some manual process
[17:43] <seb128> hum, so I got an image to boot in kvm
[17:43] <ogra_> seb128, yay
[17:43] <seb128> lightdm fails to start though
[17:43] <ogra_> oooh :(
[17:43] <rsalveti> ogra_: the manual part is after it gets in system-image
[17:43] <ogra_> rsalveti, ah, k
[17:43] <seb128> "Error using VT_ACTIVATE 7 on /dev/console: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[17:43] <seb128> does that ring a bell to anyone?
[17:44] <slangasek> rsalveti: I don't think there were any changes required to the cdimage code for the azure device tarball. I thought the changes were only in livecd-rootfs
[17:44] <seb128> I can starts gallery-app with xinit though :p
[17:44] <seb128> so xorg is working
[17:44] <ogra_> seb128, kgunn had fun with agetty and mir wrangling around a tty all day i think
[17:44] <rsalveti> slangasek: was thinking about cdimage because we need to copy the tarball over
[17:44] <rsalveti> after it gets published
[17:44] <rsalveti> if config.project in ("ubuntu-core", "ubuntu-desktop-next"):
[17:44] <rsalveti> device = "%s.device.tar.gz" % live_prefix
[17:44] <slangasek> rsalveti: right; so I never made any changes to the cdimage code to accomodate this, and if I had it would have been in the bzr branch
[17:44] <rsalveti> if os.path.exists(device):
[17:44] <rsalveti> shutil.copy2(
[17:44] <rsalveti> device, "%s.device.tar.gz" % output_prefix)
[17:45] <rsalveti> this is the piece that copy it over
[17:45] <rsalveti> live_prefix = os.path.join(live_dir, arch)
[17:45] <rsalveti> rootfs = "%s.rootfs.tar.gz" % live_prefix
[17:46] <rsalveti> so unless I'm not reading it right, there is indeed nothing copying it around
[17:46] <ogra_> well, that code is pretty generic
[17:47] <ogra_> do we perhaps have an architecture called "amd64.azure" ?
[17:48] <ogra_> (would be odd to have a dot in there, but who knows)
[17:48] <rsalveti> right
[18:01] <rsalveti> ogra_: slangasek: I fail to see how this ever worked =\
[18:01] <slangasek> rsalveti: indeed, I don't know either. I think mvo_ may have been the one doing the work on the azure device tarball at the time, maybe he remembers something?
[18:01] <rsalveti> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-system-image/+build/29944
[18:01] <rsalveti> the tarball is there
[18:02] <rsalveti> mvo_: if still around ^?
[18:09] <rsalveti> at least the problem is consistent with both vivid and wily, and also started at last 11
[18:12] <ogra_> rsalveti, asac, some clarification about the support status in the RPi thread "Snappy RPi2 stable image #3 now available" would be appreciated ...
[18:12] <ogra_> (seems he is rather grumpy about our communication and marketing)
[18:13] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: azure is built from livecd-rootfs
[18:14] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: right, and it's there
[18:14] <rsalveti> just not imported/copied in cdimage
[18:14] <rsalveti> ogra_: sure
[18:14] <ogra_> sergiusens_, and how is it getting onto cdimage.u.c ?
[18:14] <sergiusens_> ogra_: that's all black magic and I only wish someone explained it so we could simplify it ;-)
[18:14] <rsalveti> for some reason I only had your reply and not the original email, which is now there (and was unread)
[18:14] * sergiusens_ winks
[18:15] <rsalveti> my gmail is kind of going crazy lately
[18:15] <sergiusens_> ogra_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/view/head:/live-build/ubuntu-core/hooks/500-move-kernel-to-device-tar.binary
[18:15] <ogra_> sergiusens_, ha, wishful thinking
[18:15] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: I started using mutt again
[18:15] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-system-image/+build/29944
[18:15] <rsalveti> right, see the azure is there
[18:15] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: mutt + google imap?
[18:15] <sergiusens_> I only go to gmail to search
[18:15] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: yup, offlineimap
[18:15] <rsalveti> right, might be better indeed
[18:15] <ogra_> evolution FTW :)
[18:16] <ogra_> has still the fastest search tools
[18:16] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: searching is good in gmail; organizing and cleaning up the queue and not missing content is better in a proper MUA
[18:16] <sergiusens_> ogra_: makes you need a revolution in RAM though
[18:16] <ogra_> my XPS copes fine with its 8G
[18:17] <ogra_> and i dont have any device in use with less anymore
[18:17] <ogra_> (for desktop that is)
[18:17] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: so the build is there; what is missing?
[18:17] <ogra_> sergiusens_, the code in cdimage that copies it
[18:17] <ogra_> we dont know how it got from here to there
[18:17] <ogra_> (the logs show it gets copied)
[18:17] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-core/vivid/daily-preinstalled-20150609.log
[18:18] <ogra_> 2015-06-09 14:18:50 URL:https://launchpadlibrarian.net/208661665/livecd.ubuntu-core.azure.device.tar.gz [142562062/142562062] -> "/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntu-core/vivid/daily-preinstalled/live/amd64.azure.device.tar.gz" [1]
[18:18] <rsalveti> yeah, was looking at the code, but can't see to find how it was copying ti before
[18:18] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: check lp:ubuntu-cdimage
[18:18] <rsalveti> grep for "Downloading live filesystem images"
[18:18] <rsalveti> that is where the magic happens
[18:19] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/Devel/branches/cdimage$ grep -r azure *
[18:19] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/Devel/branches/cdimage$
[18:19] <ogra_> thats the weird part
[18:19] <rsalveti> that copy the files from launchpad into /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntu-core/vivid/daily-preinstalled/live
[18:19] <rsalveti> which is the missing link, because it's not copying over the azure tarball
[18:20] <ogra_> well, i dont get how it would even know about azure at all
[18:20] <mvo_> rsalveti: let me read scrollback and look at the code. so the problem started on the 11th this month?
[18:20] <ogra_> given it is neither mentioned in the code nor in the config
[18:20] <rsalveti> mvo_: yes
[18:20] <ogra_> (or in any bzr changelog)
[18:20] <mvo_> how confusing, my first guess is a livecd-rootfs upload
[18:20] <rsalveti> mvo_: it's not livecd-rootfs, since it's there: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/vivid/ubuntu-core-system-image/+build/29944
[18:20] <mvo_> I'm sure the ubuntu-personal guys broke it
[18:20] <ogra_> mvo_, not really, livecd-rootfs does what it should
[18:20] <rsalveti> the device tarball was built
[18:20] <mvo_> meh
[18:21] <ogra_> cdimage doesnt import it
[18:21] <mvo_> there goes my theory and the blame I wanted to assign :/
[18:21] <ogra_> i got blamed already, find someone else :P
[18:21] * ogra_ only takes the blame once a day
[18:21] <rsalveti> mvo_: so it might be connected with personal
[18:21] <rsalveti> mvo_: there was a personal change in cdimage at 11
[18:22] <rsalveti> which would probably cause a sync in the bzr repo
[18:22] <rsalveti> so if the azure change was done outside trunk, then it would be lost
[18:22] <ogra_> uh
[18:22] <ogra_> but who would do that
[18:22] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/CDImageSetup ...
[18:22] <rsalveti> that's just a theory
[18:23] <ogra_> (in case people dont use that way ... )
[18:23] <rsalveti> unless I'm missing some magic in lp:ubuntu-cdimage
[18:24] <seb128> mvo_, nice blame try!
[18:24] * mvo_ hugs seb128
[18:24] * seb128 hugs mvo_ back ;-)
[18:24] <ogra_> and so subtle :)
[18:27] <rsalveti> yeah, the branch was pushed at 11 by Laney
[18:27] <rsalveti> reflecting the personal changes, but that has nothing to do with azure
[18:27] <slangasek> rsalveti: we wouldn't normally do a 'bzr pull --overwrite'; if someone did that, that's quite bad
[18:27] <ogra_> right, makes your theory more plausible
[18:27] <slangasek> the usual protocol is 'bzr pull'; notice conflicts; yell at cowboys
[18:28] <rsalveti> right
[18:29] <ogra_> and the branches are bound you wouldnt ever be able to commit
[18:29] <ogra_> OH !
[18:29] <ogra_> but perhaps the config is in debian-cd, not cdimage
[18:29] * ogra_ goes checking
[18:30] <ogra_> hmm, no
[18:30] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/Devel/branches/debian-cd$ grep -r azure *
[18:30] <ogra_> ogra@styx:~/Devel/branches/debian-cd$
[18:35] <rsalveti> another funny thing I noticed because of this
[18:35] <rsalveti> the kernel config seems to be available via the rootfs
[18:35] <rsalveti> after creating the azure image I had vmlinuz-3.19.0-18-generic and config-3.19.0-21-generic
[18:35] <rsalveti> at /boot
[18:36] <ogra_> yeah
[18:36] <mvo_> rsalveti: yeah, we keep it in /boot because our grub needs it this way, we want to consolidate this
[18:36] <ogra_> well, we dont have /proc/config.gz enabled
[18:36] <ogra_> they are on the arm images too
[18:36] <ogra_> needs cleanup ...
[18:36] <rsalveti> mvo_: right, but why is this part of the rootfs?
[18:36] <rsalveti> yeah, will open a bug in a few
[18:37] <mvo_> rsalveti: oh, right, we don't want it there
[18:43] <sergiusens_> mvo_: ogra_ rsalveti so is this what is needed? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11731958/
[18:43] <sergiusens_> I just blindly added that
[18:43] <mvo_> sergiusens_: could well be, I'm trying to understand why it worked before :/
[18:43] <ogra_> not sure you want azure hardcoded there
[18:43] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: something similar to that is what I had in mind, but the question is indeed what mvo_ just said
[18:44] <rsalveti> for now I just manually copied over the new tarball and triggered a new image
[18:44] <rsalveti> see if it will show up at system-image, so I can unblock people (that were waiting for an updated initrd)
[18:50] <mvo_> rsalveti, sergiusens_: it seems like your change is exactly what was there and is no longer, the logs even have "Publishing amd64 azure device tarball " (I guess you know that already). really strange
[18:51] <rsalveti> yeah
[18:51] <rsalveti> too bad this is not git
[18:51] <rsalveti> git reflog would explain it all
[18:52] <ogra_> rsalveti, even if someone forcefully overwrote it ?
[18:52] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup
[18:52] <ogra_> (including history)
[18:52] <ogra_> interesting
[18:52] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: mvo_ a bzr push --overwrite to lp or a bzr pull --overwrite on the client explains most of this to me
[18:52] <rsalveti> it's my solution when I do git reset --hard HASH
[18:52] * ogra_ guesses some day he wont get around looking at git :P
[18:52] <sergiusens_> ogra_: as soon as we move to it ;-)
[18:52] <rsalveti> and then omg omg omg I forgot to save a patch
[18:52] <ogra_> (i must admit i'm surprised that i still do :) )
[18:52] <rsalveti> git reflog gives me the complete history
[18:53] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: yeah
[18:53] <mvo_> sergiusens_: yeah, I think thats it
[18:53] <mvo_> and someone *cough* *cough* cowboyed it in
[18:53] <mvo_> before without a proper branch
[18:53] * mvo_ hides in shame
[18:54] <mvo_> but to be fair, that azure enablement was really on a super tight deadline
[18:54] <ogra_> mvo_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/CDImageSetup ... for next time :)
[18:55] <ogra_> though still, while you cowboyed it in, someone overwrote it ignoring the error
[18:55] <ogra_> bzr definitely complained
[18:55] <mvo_> sergiusens_: this may need a additional download_live_items() in lib/cdimage/livefs.py
[18:56] <mvo_> ogra_: indeed
[18:56] * ogra_ blames Laney in absence :)
[18:56] <ogra_> finally we can pass on the blame :)
[18:58] <rsalveti> yeah, the push --overwrite was even worse
[19:01] <sergiusens_> mvo_: like http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732046/ ?
[19:01] <sergiusens_> I don't really follow this code base :-P
[19:02] <ogra_> i still think it should somehow be injected into source_prefix instead of hardcoding it
[19:02] <mvo_> sergiusens_: yeah, I think something like this
[19:03] <sergiusens_> ogra_: I would leave that to you :-P
[19:03] <sergiusens_> well I pushed here: lp:~sergiusens/ubuntu-cdimage/azure
[19:03] * rsalveti hands the cowboy hat to mvo_
[19:03] <mvo_> sergiusens_: \o/
[19:03] <sergiusens_> in case you want to merge
[19:03] * sergiusens_ wants the cowboy hat
[19:04] <ogra_> sergiusens_, noh, go ahead if we need it now ... i'm being "studio_'ed" and annoyed enough to not want to write on code ...
[19:04] <sergiusens_> will use it Clint Eastwood style
[19:05] <ogra_> (i can take annother look tomorrow to see if i find another way)
[19:05] <sergiusens_> ogra_: heh, so I don't mind this azure device as it will go away as soon as we solve the update-grub issue
[19:05] <mvo_> sergiusens_: heh, so you cowboy^Wmerge it for testing?
[19:05] <ogra_> sergiusens_, ah, well, then leave it ...
[19:05] <sergiusens_> mvo_: do I have permissions? I forget :-P
[19:05] <ogra_> mvo_, sergiusens_, make sure to follow the wiki doc though (./run-tests etc)
[19:06] <mvo_> sergiusens_: I think so, but I know that I have
[19:06] <ogra_> sergiusens_, you do
[19:06] <ogra_> you got them together with rsalveti back then
[19:07] <sergiusens_> ogra_: heh, I was playing dumb :-P
[19:07] <ogra_> yeah, cant cheat me :P
[19:07] <sergiusens_> ogra_: the tests fail here even without my changes!
[19:07] <mvo_> sergiusens_: lol
[19:07] <ogra_> oh man
[19:07] <ogra_> Laney, !!!
[19:08] <mvo_> his change does not look like it would break tests
[19:08] <mvo_> but who knows
[19:08] * mvo_ does not
[19:08] <sergiusens_> mvo_: coincidentally I have
[19:08] <sergiusens_> mvo_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732086/
[19:08] <sergiusens_> but there are 4 failures regardless
[19:09] <jdstrand> kgunn_: did it work with @unrestricted?
[19:09] <mvo_> sergiusens_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732091/ <- this is what I had to do back in the day to add support for device.tar.gz
[19:10] <mvo_> sergiusens_: oh, I mean the changes that Laney did do not look like they would break stuff, but again, who knows
[19:13] <mvo_> sergiusens_: it seems like item in live_item_path() might also want .azure in there :/
[19:16] <sergiusens_> mvo_: let me check; but I do have test parity now
[19:16] <kgunn_> jdstrand: i definitely get some app armor denials..but the way the script is written is kinda spins outta control...so i'm gonna fix that real quick and run again
[19:19] <sergiusens_> mvo_: I have a good feeling about this one http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732146/ thanks for your base branch for device
[19:20] <mvo_> sergiusens_: yay, lets give it a try!
[19:20] <sergiusens_> mvo_: ok, let me do an actual checkout
[19:23] <Chipaca> sergiusens_: mvo_: when can we have a coven about changes to snaps for 16.04?
[19:23] <sergiusens_> tomorrow?
[19:23] <mvo_> yep
[19:23] <ogra_> 16.04 ? thats so far out !
[19:24] <Chipaca> ogra_: far out, man!
[19:24] <Chipaca> sergiusens_: mvo_: +1
[19:24] <sergiusens_> ogra_: I don't need to pull -d debian-cd nor production, right?
[19:24] <ogra_> sergiusens_, if you didnt make any changes to it, no
[19:24] <ogra_> only cdimage should be enough
[19:24] <sergiusens_> ogra_: just in case; gets out of the server asap
[19:25] * mvo_ is very curious
[19:26] <sergiusens_> ogra_: mvo_ that's all I did http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732185/
[19:26] <fikse> is there an argument for snappy ubuntu + consule + ...
[19:26] <fikse> vs coreos?
[19:26] <Chipaca> mvo_: about changes to snaps?
[19:26] <sergiusens_> so I guess we can trigger a build now
[19:26] <fikse> consul, not consule
[19:26] <Chipaca> fikse: what's consul?
[19:26] <ogra_> sergiusens_, perfect
[19:26] <sergiusens_> consult maybe?
[19:27] <fikse> a tool for service discovery https://consul.io/
[19:27] <mvo_> Chipaca: about changes to snaps?
[19:27] <Chipaca> mvo_: * mvo_ is very curious
[19:27] <mvo_> sergiusens_: now its time to run a build, no?
[19:28] <sergiusens_> mvo_: yup
[19:28] <mvo_> Chipaca: mostly about if sergiusens_ saved the day, I think he did!
[19:28] <sergiusens_> is that nusakan?
[19:28] <mvo_> Chipaca: but the snap stuff is interessting as well
[19:28] <mvo_> sergiusens_: yes
[19:28] * sergiusens_ logs back in
[19:28] * sergiusens_ gets goosebumps
[19:28] * ogra_ grins
[19:28] <sergiusens_> mvo_: last time I was in there we were fixing that crazy system image server indexing problem :-P
[19:31] <Chipaca> fikse: depending on what you do, it might be perfect, or it might be too early for snappy :)
[19:31] <sergiusens_> ogra_: mvo_ which one should we try wily or vivid?
[19:31] * sergiusens_ goes for wily
[19:32] <ogra_> yeah
[19:32] <mvo_> +1
[19:33] <fikse> Chipaca: i'm afraid it might be too early
[19:34] <elopio> sergiusens_: can you get your server running the snapcraft tests?
[19:34] <sergiusens_> too early it is then
[19:34] <sergiusens_> elopio: if it's in the .tarmac.sh, yes
[19:34] <ogra_> geez, we have tests already ?
[19:34] <ogra_> snapcraft doesnt even exist !
[19:34] <ogra_> you guys are so ahead
[19:35] * ogra_ makes a note to check the test code to know what he will develop in a few months
[19:35] <elopio> tdd baby!
[19:35] <elopio> sergiusens_: yes, there's a .tarmac.sh.
[19:35] <sergiusens_> elopio: just add it there
[19:36] <sergiusens_> ogra_: I don't see the build here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-core-system-image
[19:36] <ogra_> whats the line you ran ?
[19:36] <sergiusens_> ogra_: SUBPROJECT=system-image EXTRA_PPAS=snappy-dev/image for-project ubuntu-core cron.daily-preinstalled
[19:36] <ogra_> hmm, looks fine
[19:37] <sergiusens_> ogra_: generally do crontab -l |grep something
[19:37] <ogra_> oh
[19:37] <ogra_> --live
[19:37] <Chipaca> fikse: give it a try if you want; there's a couple of non-framework services (e.g. the xkcd-webserver) in lp:~snappy-dev/snappy-hub/snappy-examples
[19:37] <sergiusens_> ogra_: I thought you told me way back not to use that :-P
[19:37] <ogra_> you should always use whats in the crontab
[19:37] <sergiusens_> ogra_: ok; but I'll search for that conversation :-P
[19:38] <kgunn_> ubuntu
[19:38] <kgunn_> oops
[19:38] <kgunn_> ww
[19:38] <ogra_> now change your password
[19:38] <sergiusens_> kgunn_: we now know your password!
[19:38] <ogra_> quick !
[19:38] <ogra_> (make it ubuntu1 ... nobody will guess that)
[19:38] <sergiusens_> ogra_: mvo_ rsalveti ok, building here now https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-core-system-image
[19:38] <sergiusens_> ubuntu123
[19:38] <ogra_> yay
[19:38] <sergiusens_> ubuntu123!
[19:38] <sergiusens_> or maybe password :-)
[19:39] <ogra_> nah, i use that already ... he cant take that
[19:39] <mvo_> sergiusens_: ooooohhhh
[19:39] <sergiusens_> ogra_: where is our powerpc build? :-)
[19:39] <ogra_> sergiusens_, you just changed the cdimage code ... why didnt you add it !
[19:45] <fisch246> will snappy personal eventually merge back to the current branch of Ubuntu Desktop when it's deemed ready?
[19:45] <ogra_> merge back ?
[19:46] <fisch246> so for example when 16.10 comes out for example, and everyone decides snappy and unity8 is ready, everyone running Ubuntu desktop will upgrade to snappy and unity8 in 16.10
[19:46] <ogra_> you mean if there will be a deb based desktop install with unity8 ?
[19:47] * ogra_ guesses thats a question for #ubuntu-desktop actually
[19:47] <fisch246> nah it would be snappy
[19:47] <ogra_> i suspect though that we wont auto-migrate users from deb based systems to snappy
[19:47] <fisch246> so basically would the deb based version be dropped
[19:47] <fisch246> ah okay
[19:47] <fisch246> so if people want to stick with deb they will stay deb for good if they wish
[19:47] <ogra_> no, there are too many people using the deb archive ... (flavours and such) ...
[19:48] <fisch246> well for now at least
[19:48] <ogra_> for a snappy install you will most likely do an install from scratch
[19:48] <fisch246> cool thanks that answers my question :)
[19:48] <sergiusens_> ogra_: I wasn't thinking straight, we need powerpc urgently for the device I don't have!
[19:48] <sergiusens_> :-D
[19:48] <ogra_> and also snappy is built from debs from the archive
[19:49] <ogra_> sergiusens_, well, its a one line change in the config :)
[19:49] <ogra_> (modulo image build failures etc indeed)
[19:58] * rsalveti reads backlog (back from a meeting)
[19:58] <DarwinF> what's the process for adding/removing/modifying users?
[20:00] <ogra_> DarwinF, there is no proper process yet ... /var/lib/extrausers/ has the user data though
[20:01] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: btw https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/goget-ubuntu-touch/0.24-0ubuntu2
[20:01] <ogra_> sergiusens_, your images are done btw
[20:02] <ogra_> well, the livefs build
[20:02] <DarwinF> ogra_: thanks
[20:02] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: nice, so you fixed cdimage?
[20:03] <rsalveti> fixededed
[20:03] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: I'm not sure yet :-P
[20:03] <ogra_> rsalveti, but he forgot to add powerpc while doing that
[20:03] <rsalveti> lol, alright
[20:03] <rsalveti> that's super important
[20:04] * rsalveti hands a few beers to sergiusens_
[20:04] <ogra_> hmm
[20:04] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/pending still shows June 11 for azure
[20:04] <ogra_> daily
[20:04] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/20150617.3/
[20:04] <sergiusens_> not sure if I need to wait for all builds to finish here
[20:05] <sergiusens_> ogra_: wily-preinstalled-core-amd64.azure.device.tar.gz 11-Jun-2015 05:13 140M
[20:05] <ogra_> no, thats up to date i think
[20:05] <sergiusens_> 11 and not 17
[20:05] <ogra_> yes
[20:05] <ogra_> before it was 09
[20:05] <rsalveti> wily was 11
[20:05] <rsalveti> 09 was vivid
[20:05] <ogra_> oh
[20:05] <rsalveti> and for vivid I manually replaced earlier today http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/vivid/daily-preinstalled/pending/
[20:05] <rsalveti> as a workaround
[20:06] <rsalveti> but, it seems the importer still didn't see the new image
[20:06] <sergiusens_> ogra_: where is that "Publishing " message supposed to be logged?
[20:06] <rsalveti> which is super annoying
[20:06] <rsalveti> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/vivid/daily-preinstalled/20150617.2/
[20:06] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: I suspect that, but I don't know :-)
[20:07] <kgunn_> jdstrand: ok...sorry, wanted to make sure and double check everything...so yeah, with @unrestricted i see aa denial for /sbin/killall5
[20:07] <rsalveti> man, so many paths
[20:07] <kgunn_> which makes sense based on what tyler said earlier
[20:07] <kgunn_> e.g. pidof is actually part of killall5
[20:07] <rsalveti> yeah, for wily it's still not there http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/pending/
[20:07] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732394/
[20:08] <ogra_> sergiusens_, /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/log/ubuntu-core/wily/daily-preinstalled-20150617.3.log on nusakan
[20:08] <rsalveti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-core/wily/?C=M;O=D
[20:08] <rsalveti> yeah, more up-to-date log
[20:08] <ogra_> no trace of azure there :(
[20:08] <rsalveti> no azure
[20:09] <jdstrand> kgunn_: ok, so use /sbin/killall5 ixr,
[20:09] <rsalveti> ogra_: how many hours is the importer taking nowadays?
[20:09] <ogra_> the "publishing" actually comes from debian-cd i think
[20:09] <kgunn_> ack, was doing as you typed
[20:09] <ogra_> rsalveti, not long for core
[20:10] <rsalveti> seems there is one importer running atm
[20:10] <kgunn_> jdstrand: so i should revert the /bin/pidof and bin/sleeps to ix as well ? (as i have them ux atm)
[20:10] <sergiusens_> ogra_: I added Publishing logs in ubuntu-cdimage
[20:10] <ogra_> yeah, and the word doesnt appear in a grep in debian-cd
[20:10] <ogra_> only in cdimage
[20:14] <sergiusens_> ogra_: something tells me this doesn't seem to be working if os.path.exists("%s.azure.device.tar.gz" % source_prefix)
[20:15] <ogra_> yeah, i guess source_prefix is somehow a bit different
[20:16] <sergiusens_> ogra_: different? livecd.ubuntu-core.azure.device.tar.gz vs livecd.ubuntu-core.device.tar.gz
[20:17] <ogra_> i think it is more than just livecd.ubuntu-core ... moght be a full path
[20:17] <ogra_> *might
[20:18] <jdstrand> kgunn_: yes please. we want to get rid of any ux's
[20:18] <jdstrand> kgunn_: is this something I could run in a vm?
[20:18] <sergiusens_> ogra_: I grabbed those names from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-core-system-image/+build/29997
[20:19] <ogra_> well, if you look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732394/ ... source_prefix might have a stamp and all
[20:19] <kgunn_> jdstrand: yeah it is
[20:19] <ogra_> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/209363495/livecd.ubuntu-core.rootfs.tar.gz ...
[20:21] <sergiusens_> ogra_: oh, I found an issue in my diff
[20:21] <jdstrand> kgunn_: if you give me instructions, then I can maybe expedite this
[20:21] <kgunn_> jdstrand: sure....let me clean up and push and i'll share
[20:22] <jdstrand> that said, I do have something I'm working on atm and won't be able to get to it for a little while
[20:22] <jdstrand> but certainly full-force in the morning if not later today
[20:22] <kgunn_> jdstrand: i'm making some headway now...but i'll share later
[20:23] <jdstrand> kgunn_: ok, however you want to do it
[20:23] <kgunn_> i think the tricky bit was not realizing that @unrestricted would lead to more aa denials to add
[20:24] <sergiusens_> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732451/
[20:24] <ogra_> sergiusens_, uuuh
[20:24] <ogra_> yeah :)
[20:24] <sergiusens_> ogra_: I could just make that amd64 as well :-P
[20:25] <ogra_> haha
[20:25] <ogra_> yeah
[20:25] <sergiusens_> ogra_: is that an ack?
[20:25] <ogra_> well it is only temporary anyway
[20:25] <ogra_> sure, do it
[20:26] <sergiusens_> ogra_: so just like http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732463/
[20:26] <sergiusens_> ?
[20:26] <ogra_> yup, looks fine
[20:27] <sergiusens_> ogra_: rsalveti ok, new build triggered
[20:28] * ogra_ crosses fingers
[20:28] * sergiusens_ takes a break to walk the dogs
[20:33] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: awesome
[20:34] <rsalveti> importer still not finished
[20:34] <rsalveti> wtf
[20:35] <mvo_> sergiusens_: good luck, I need to go to bed, if it still not workss, please let me know by mail and I continue in the morning
[20:47] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: build not done yet (I think all builds need to finish)
[20:47] <rsalveti> no, this was one importer from more than one hour ago
[20:47] <rsalveti> that was still running
[20:48] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: importer is another cronjob
[20:48] <rsalveti> everything is pull based
[20:48] <rsalveti> :-)
[20:51] <kgunn_> Jun 17 20:33:59 localhost kernel: [ 1905.624951] audit: type=1400 audit(1434573238.995:14269): apparmor="DENIED" operation="ptrace" profile="mir_system-compositor_snap1" pid=4484 comm="pidof" requested_mask="trace" denied_mask="trace" peer="unconfined"
[20:51] <kgunn_> jdstrand: so this is one i'm confuddled about ^
[20:52] <kgunn_> denied mask "trace" ?
[20:53] <ogra_> sergiusens_, rsalveti still 11th
[20:53] <ogra_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/20150617.4/
[20:54] <Laney> ogra_: what I do? :)
[20:55] <ogra_> Laney, how did you make your changes to cdimage ?
[20:55] <ogra_> did you follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/CDImageSetup ?
[20:55] <Laney> more or less
[20:55] <ogra_> seems there was some cowboyed code in there and it was overwritten
[20:56] <ogra_> and usually cdimage screams loudly if thats the case to prevent you from merging
[20:56] <Laney> well maybe someone ran bzr revert or whatever
[20:56] <Laney> it'll only complain if there are conflicts, not sure I touched the same areas
[20:57] <ogra_> yeah
[20:57] <kgunn_> reading, this looks related...
[20:57] <kgunn_> https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/7276
[20:57] <ogra_> Laney, thanks ...
[20:57] <Laney> sorry if it was me, didn't do it on purpose
[20:58] <Laney> is the code still alive?
[20:58] <ogra_> no, seemingly not ... well, not the code we need
[20:58] <ogra_> and nobody seems to have a backup
[20:58] <ogra_> sergio is just trying his best and i dont feel awake enough to hack into it right now (i'll do it in my morning if there is no solution over night though)
[21:02] <jjohansen> kgunn_: what confuses you about it? mir_system-compositor_snap1 is trying to trace an unconfined peer process
[21:03] <kgunn_> jjohansen: i'm quite new to these concepts, and i'm going through the process of getting the security profile correct for
[21:04] <kgunn_> mir in order to be able to upload it to the store, so in my caveman brain i think "how can i make this go away"
[21:05] <jjohansen> kgunn_: well, generally speaking we don't allow a confined process to trace unconfined
[21:05] <jjohansen> kgunn_: do you know what it is trying to trace?
[21:06] <kgunn_> jjohansen: yeah, so this stems from some mir weirdness where there's a race between it and agetty, so there's a script that handles the race...
[21:06] <kgunn_> it's using pidof
[21:06] <kgunn_> that's where this is coming from
[21:08] <jjohansen> kgunn_: hrmm, so my initial reaction is don't do that :)
[21:09] <jjohansen> kgunn_: it can be worked around by giving the ptrace peer=(label=unconfined), rule to the profile but I'm not sure what is required to get that kind of rule into the store
[21:09] <kgunn_> jjohansen: :) i just found the line in docker
[21:09] <jjohansen> jdstrand: ^ any suggestions
[21:09] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: yeah :/
[21:09] <sergiusens_> oops, ogra_ :-P
[21:09] <kgunn_> jjohansen: i'm sure jamie will spank me :)
[21:10] <ogra_> sergiusens_, rsalveti ... erm ...
[21:10] <jjohansen> :)
[21:10] <ogra_> sergiusens_, so your cdimage code is fine, it actually copied it over ... but i suspect livecd-rootfs isnt rebuilding it actually
[21:10] <sergiusens_> ogra_: progress http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732678/
[21:10] <ogra_> 2015-06-17 20:50:58 URL:https://launchpadlibrarian.net/209366564/livecd.ubuntu-core.azure.device.tar.gz [147294112/147294112] -> "/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntu-core/wily/daily-preinstalled/live/amd64.azure.device.tar.gz" [1]
[21:11] <sergiusens_> ogra_: heh, shared the same :-P
[21:11] <ogra_> yeah :)
[21:11] <ogra_> great minds and all that ;)
[21:12] <ogra_> i see "+ tar -c -z -f /build/device-azure.tar.gz system assets hardware.yaml" in the build log
[21:12] <ogra_> and no error
[21:13] <sergiusens_> ogra_: well, it's getting the wrong link from librarian
[21:13] <ogra_> hmm
[21:13] <sergiusens_> ogra_: latest build is https://launchpadlibrarian.net/209363535/livecd.ubuntu-core.azure.device.tar.gz
[21:13] <ogra_> ah, ok
[21:14] <sergiusens_> slangasek: do you know why that can be? ^
[21:14] * ogra_ wishes back the days where cdimage was shell :/
[21:14] <ogra_> find_live_filesystem() was so much easier
[21:15] <sergiusens_> ogra_: heh
[21:15] <ogra_> it is all cody-summervilles fault !
[21:16] <jdstrand> jjohansen, kgunn_: sorry, reading backscroll
[21:16] <rsalveti> just check the lp job, it should tell if the azure tarball is in there
[21:17] <ogra_> rsalveti, yeah, that bit is fine
[21:17] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: it's there, the librarian link is wrong
[21:17] <ogra_> but we're not finding the right url
[21:17] <rsalveti> how that
[21:17] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: well it's logged now ;-)
[21:18] <sergiusens_> rsalveti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732678/ but the latest build's link is https://launchpadlibrarian.net/209363535/livecd.ubuntu-core.azure.device.tar.gz
[21:18] <rsalveti> but https://launchpadlibrarian.net/209366564/livecd.ubuntu-core.azure.device.tar.gz is also valid (just not the one you're looking for)
[21:19] <ogra_> it is not publishing it though
[21:19] <ogra_> according to the log
[21:20] <kgunn_> hmmm, but now i hit trace denied for all sorts of bespoke peers (webdm, docker, mir itself)
[21:20] <rsalveti> ogra_: sergiusens_: /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/scratch/ubuntu-core/wily/daily-preinstalled/live
[21:20] <sergiusens_> ogra_: rsalveti I think I found one more location
[21:20] <rsalveti> it's there
[21:20] <ogra_> yes, it is not publishing it
[21:20] <rsalveti> -rw-r--r-- 1 cdimage cdimage 147294112 Jun 17 20:34 amd64.azure.device.tar.gz
[21:20] <ogra_> right
[21:20] <rsalveti> well, takes a while for it to be public
[21:20] * ogra_ was just looking at the same file :)
[21:21] <ogra_> rsalveti, cdimage logs when it publishes it
[21:21] <ogra_> there is no azure in the log
[21:21] <ogra_> /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/log/ubuntu-core/wily/daily-preinstalled-20150617.4.log
[21:21] <rsalveti> yeah
[21:21] <rsalveti> not at /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/pending
[21:22] <rsalveti> man, this is so much more complicated than it should be
[21:22] <ogra_> yep
[21:22] <ogra_> i want shell back !
[21:22] <rsalveti> involves 3, 4 different servers
[21:22] <ogra_> would have taken me minutes
[21:23] <jjohansen> kgunn_: sure, ptrace is dangerous. you will need specify each of them
[21:23] <jjohansen> kgunn_: and the reverse relation as well, that is those apps have to declare the relationship as well
[21:23] <jdstrand> kgunn_: so, yes, use the rule jjohansen mentioned for now, but I'm pretty uncomfortable with the technique and the rule. I think we should figure out something better. the docker policy is not something to model your policy after, btw :)
[21:24] <sergiusens_> ogra_: rsalveti http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732716/
[21:24] <jjohansen> this prevents an attacker app being able to declare its allowed to ptrace without the peers saying yeah we know and trust him
[21:24] <jdstrand> kgunn_: the problem is that if you you are allowed to trace unconfined, unconfined allows anything to trace it
[21:24] <rsalveti> sergiusens_: looks ok
[21:24] <jjohansen> jdstrand: right, so no better suggestion for now
[21:25] <ogra_> sergiusens_, yeah
[21:25] <jjohansen> jdstrand: really we need to fix that
[21:25] <jdstrand> jjohansen: fix the mir policy or that unconfined allows tracedby?
[21:25] <jdstrand> or both :)
[21:26] <jjohansen> both :)
[21:26] <jdstrand> so, I will probably make this a little better with a child profile for pidof
[21:27] <jdstrand> that way even if mir has an issue, it would need pidof to allow something unexpected
[21:28] <jdstrand> once kgunn_ gets through the initial policy, he'll give it to me to review and I can play with it
[21:28] <sergiusens_> ogra_: rsalveti ok, this one is the one
[21:28] <stgraber> jdstrand: hey, so what do I need to do for a snappy binary to be able to write to its user data dir (HOME)?
[21:28] <ogra_> building ?
[21:29] <sergiusens_> ogra_: yes
[21:29] <ogra_> yay
[21:29] * sergiusens_ starts to use http://whatthecommit.com/ again
[21:29] <rsalveti> lol
[21:29] <stgraber> jdstrand: I was hoping I wouldn't have to also make our client tool unconfined :)
[21:29] <jdstrand> stgraber: it should be allowed by the policy. You need to look in SNAP_APP_USER_DATA_PATH
[21:29] <ogra_> stgraber, snappy binaries can not write to $HOME ...
[21:29] <ogra_> right
[21:29] <stgraber> error: mkdir /root/apps/lxd/0.11-0/.config: permission denied
[21:30] <ogra_> SNAP_APP_USER_DATA_PATH is a subdir for the app in $HOME
[21:30] <jdstrand> yes
[21:30] <rsalveti> sergiusens: seems we're good regarding the --install=docker issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snappy/+bug/1465879/comments/5
[21:30] <jdstrand> you don't get all of home, you get SNAP_APP_USER_DATA_PATH
[21:30] <sergiusens> Chipaca: http://whatthecommit.com/bf057fb0e2e7a4450250ebf7d6e1d084 :-P
[21:30] <stgraber> sure sure, but clearly I don't even get write access to SNAP_APP_USER_DATA_PATH
[21:30] <rsalveti> lol
[21:30] <jdstrand> stgraber: is that an apparmor denial?
[21:30] <ogra_> stgraber, because /root is readonly perhaps ? ;)
[21:31] <stgraber> ogra_: isn't
[21:31] <jdstrand> and then there is that :)
[21:31] <stgraber> [94170.804198] audit: type=1400 audit(1434576560.135:55): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mkdir" profile="lxd_lxc_0.11-0" name="/root/apps/lxd/0.11-0/.config/" pid=6085 comm="lxc" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=0 ouid=0
[21:31] <Chipaca> sergiusens: ?
[21:31] <sergiusens> Chipaca: I am just fooling around :-)
[21:31] <Chipaca> sergiusens: http://whatthecommit.com/0041a2c1bcc6d21895a46d0b92f64a88 then :)
[21:32] <sergiusens> \o/
[21:32] <ogra_> heh
[21:32] <jdstrand> stgraber: oh, that is because we are using @{HOMEDIRS}/*/ instead of @{HOME}. @{HOMEDIRS}/*/ does not include /root.
[21:32] <jdstrand> stgraber: I remember I asked other snappy devs about this
[21:32] <stgraber> that probably ought to be fixed :)
[21:32] <jdstrand> and it was decided that /root/ was not needed. apparently that needs to be revisited
[21:34] <jdstrand> stgraber: before I fix it, I think there might need to be a discussion. can you file a bug agount snappy, the project?
[21:34] <jdstrand> stgraber: you can add an ubuntu-core-security task
[21:34] <jdstrand> stgraber: I have questions around /root, the FHS, rollbacks, etc
[21:36] <stgraber> jdstrand: says that ubuntu-core-security doesn't use LP for bugs so can't add a task
[21:36] <stgraber> jdstrand: anyway, bug 1466234
[21:36] <jdstrand> stgraber: sorry, snappy the project and ubuntu-core-security under Ubuntu
[21:37] <jdstrand> I can add it
[21:37] <stgraber> ah, done
[21:40] <jdstrand> stgraber: ok, I asked my questions. if the snappy devs are comfortable with it and respond in the bug, I'll adjust the policy
[21:43] <stgraber> jdstrand: next question for you :)
[21:43] <stgraber> (amd64)root@localhost:~# /usr/bin/ubuntu-core-launcher lxd lxd__0.11-0 /apps/lxd/0.11-0/bin/lxd.start
[21:43] <stgraber> aa_change_onexec failed with -1
[21:43] <stgraber> . errmsg: No such file or directory
[21:43] <stgraber> what does that mean? ^
[21:43] <jdstrand> stgraber: it couldn't find the profile 'lxd__0.11-0'
[21:43] <jdstrand> 'lxd__0.11-0' is not formatted well btw'
[21:44] <jdstrand> so either the yaml has an issue or the launcher isn't calculating the appname part correctly
[21:44] <jdstrand> there should be something between the '__'
[21:45] <jdstrand> it should be the name of the service (from services) or the binary (from binaries)
[21:45] <stgraber> oh, also, that thing is a framework, not sure if that's relevant
[21:45] <jdstrand> it isn't relevant to what should be happening. it might be a contributing factor to a bug
[21:46] <jdstrand> stgraber: can you paste /apps/lxd/current/meta/package.yaml?
[21:46] <stgraber> oh, I think I know what's wrong in the yaml, testing
[21:48] <stgraber> jdstrand: so a missing name attribute on the service was the source of the problem. Kinda surprised the tool isn't validating this though.
[21:49] <stgraber> now to figure out the next problem
[21:49] <Chipaca> tedg: your opinion wrt SNAP_APP_USER_DATA_PATH might be relevant to #1466234
[21:49] <Chipaca> bug #1466234 that is
[21:49] <nothal> Bug #1466234: Apparmor denial for access to SNAP_APP_USER_DATA_PATH as root <Snappy:New> <ubuntu-core-security (Ubuntu):Incomplete> <http://launchpad.net/bugs/1466234>
[21:51] <jdstrand> stgraber: yes, the review tools are currently disabled (they would have caught)
[21:51] <stgraber> jdstrand: so, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11732810/, any idea why I'm getting apparmor denials with that for the service?
[21:52] <stgraber> Jun 17 21:50:22 localhost.localdomain audit[787]: <audit-1400> apparmor="DENIED" operation="pivotroot" profile="lxd_lxd_0.11-0" name="/run/cgmanager/root/" pid=787 comm="cgmanager" srcname="/run/cgmanager/root/"
[21:52] <stgraber> doesn't look unconfined to me :)
[21:52] <jdstrand> Chipaca: is there a bug to re-enable the review tools?
[21:53] <ogra_> Wed Jun 17 21:53:12 UTC 2015
[21:53] <ogra_> Publishing amd64 ...
[21:53] <ogra_> Publishing amd64 live manifest ...
[21:53] <ogra_> Publishing amd64 device tarball ...
[21:53] <ogra_> Publishing amd64 azure device tarball ...
[21:53] <ogra_> \o/
[21:53] <ogra_> sergiusens, rsalveti ^^^
[21:53] <sergiusens> \o/
[21:53] <sergiusens> ogra_: it just just just finished :-P
[21:53] <ogra_> i was tailing the log :=)
[21:54] <sergiusens> ogra_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily-preinstalled/20150617.5/ is up to date as well
[21:54] <jdstrand> stgraber: the unconfined template isn't trruly unconfined. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/ubuntu-core-security/trunk/view/head:/data/apparmor/templates/ubuntu-core/15.04/unconfined
[21:54] <ogra_> yippiie
[21:54] <jdstrand> stgraber: it is missing a 'pivot_root,' rule
[21:54] <stgraber> jdstrand: ah, what do I do to get something that's completely unconfined?
[21:55] * kgunn realizes no one likes being confined
[21:55] <stgraber> because no pivot_root is going to be a bit of a problem for us :)
[21:55] <jdstrand> stgraber: I can add that
[21:56] <stgraber> jdstrand: anyway I can easily do that locally so I can see what fails next?
[21:56] <Chipaca> jdstrand: nope
[21:56] <jdstrand> stgraber: in the mean time you can either just add the rule to /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/... or you can use 'security-policy' (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/SnappyConfinement/DevelopingFrameworkPolicy) and use the unconfined template with pivot_root added
[21:57] <stgraber> jdstrand: ok, I'll add the rule locally for now
[21:57] <jdstrand> kgunn: well, yes, but lxd is quite a different beast :)
[21:57] <kgunn> :)
[21:57] <stgraber> jdstrand: will that profile with this addition let me switch profile, specifically to real unconfined?
[21:58] <kgunn> jdstrand: quick one i hope, so i worked through to the point now where i need to add "binaries" to my yaml for the actual mir-demo-server
[21:58] <kgunn> and the question is about paths...
[21:58] <ogra_> E=mc²
[21:58] <ogra_> ;)
[21:58] <kgunn> since mir-demo-server is actually in debs/usr/bin
[21:59] <ogra_> (all relative to your SNAP_APP_PATH)
[21:59] <kgunn> ogra_: ta
[21:59] <kgunn> see i knew it was easy
[22:01] <kgunn> jdstrand: ok, and with aa profile on this binary...since it's part of the framework, do i also need to do a seperate security pollicy on it ?
[22:01] <elopio> I need some go help in here. When I run go test ./... I get cmd/snappy/common.go:28: undefined: priv.WithMutex
[22:01] <elopio> but it is defined, and I don't get that error from my desktop.
[22:02] <kgunn> since it needs some paths not needed by the main service
[22:02] <elopio> go is drunk.
[22:07] <Chipaca> elopio: tell me more
[22:07] <Chipaca> elopio: i have a good guess as to what's happening
[22:08] <Chipaca> elopio: in whatever you're running this, this not-your-desktop environ, has the GOPATH pointing at a snappy different from the one you're running the tests on
[22:08] <elopio> Chipaca: I don't know what else to tell you. I've pulled trunk and ran the tests.
[22:08] <Chipaca> elopio: because you're running the tests with ./... you're not picking up that snappy for the test runner
[22:08] <rsalveti> ogra_: sergiusens: lovely
[22:08] <Chipaca> elopio: but the imports in files under test use absolute paths
[22:08] <Chipaca> elopio: e.g. launchpad.net/snappy/potato
[22:08] <Chipaca> elopio: so those are coming from your GOPATH
[22:10] <jdstrand> kgunn: this is where framework-policy comes into play I think, or maybe not
[22:11] <kgunn> well, i see i can add the client policies that the framework publishes
[22:11] <kgunn> for use as a cap by the binaries
[22:11] <kgunn> but, don't want to expose more through that than is needed....
[22:12] <elopio> Chipaca: it works now ¬¬
[22:13] <Chipaca> elopio: 🙌
[22:13] <jdstrand> kgunn: right. so we want to expose the minimum in the framework-policy. are you saying that the mir-demo-client binary needs more than the minimum?
[22:13] <elopio> I removed my link from the GOPATH to my workspace. Then made it again...
[22:13] <elopio> Chipaca: how do you handle different branches in src/launchpad.net/snappy ? Do you use ln ?
[22:14] <Chipaca> elopio: you use a pipeline?
[22:14] <kgunn> jdstrand: nope, sorry... so there's a binary mir-demo-server which is launched by (the service) mir-compositor
[22:14] <Chipaca> elopio: bzr gets confused by symlinks
[22:14] <jdstrand> kgunn: if it can use the minimum with the default template, then you can refer to your framework-policy
[22:14] <kgunn> this is before clients actually show up...
[22:14] <jdstrand> kgunn: ok, in that case, you need to write "security-policy" for your binary
[22:14] <elopio> Chipaca: no, I have a workspace with all the branches as dirs. I put a link in src/launchpad.net to the one I want to test.
[22:15] <kgunn> jdstrand: ok, so follow the same construct/form...
[22:15] <kgunn> ta
[22:15] <jdstrand> kgunn: yes
[22:15] <Chipaca> elopio: ok
[22:15] <kgunn> jdstrand: frighteningly i may understand this before i'm all done :)
[22:15] <Chipaca> elopio: that'll confuse either go or bzr, depending how you're doing it
[22:16] <Chipaca> elopio: you can make it work if you're careful
[22:16] <jdstrand> kgunn: I'll also (hopefully) helpfully remind you that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/SnappyConfinement/DevelopingFrameworkPolicy has boilerplate
[22:16] <Chipaca> elopio: me, i gave up using symlinks and just move stuff around
[22:16] <Chipaca> elopio: when i'm not using pipelines that is
[22:16] <elopio> this is the first time it failed, so I guess I wasn't careful.
[22:16] <elopio> Chipaca: do you mean http://wiki.bazaar.canonical.com/BzrPipeline ?
[22:16] <Chipaca> elopio: yes
[22:16] <kgunn> yessir
[22:16] <elopio> ok, I'll try that.
[22:17] <kgunn> ok...nuff for now, maybe more later
[22:17] <Chipaca> elopio: and in bazar.conf,
[22:17] <Chipaca> n = swp :next
[22:17] <Chipaca> p = swp :prev
[22:17] <Chipaca> ps = pipes
[22:18] <elopio> Chipaca: those are alias, right?
[22:18] <Chipaca> elopio: in [aliases] i mean
[22:18] <Chipaca> yes
[22:18] <elopio> cool. Sounds less insane than links.
[22:19] <Chipaca> elopio: until it throws a stacktrace at you, sure :)
[22:20] <sergiusens> heh
[22:20] <sergiusens> I recall those
[22:20] <sergiusens> del-pipe has some issues
[22:21] <Chipaca> sergiusens: just switching with new files added but not committed seems to tickle it
[22:21] <Chipaca> anyway
[22:21] <sergiusens> Chipaca: oh, that works fine for me
[22:21] <Chipaca> elopio: everything is terrible.
[22:22] <Chipaca> elopio: we're moving back to C, and CVS
[22:29] <slangasek> sergiusens: sorry, I have no brain state relevant to the azure files/builds/downloads. If you're stuck I'd suggest tagging the launchpad team
[22:29] <elopio> :) let me first hate pipeline before making the move.
[22:31] <sergiusens> slangasek: fixed 30' ago, but thanks :-)
[22:31] <slangasek> sergiusens: hah, ok
[23:05] <sergiusens> rsalveti: do you plan to copy https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/goget-ubuntu-touch/0.24-0ubuntu2 to tools-proposed?
[23:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: already there
[23:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: and utlemming just confirmed that it worked for him
[23:06] <rsalveti> so all good
[23:06] <sergiusens> rsalveti: oh neat :-)
[23:06] <sergiusens> one more thing to cross off the list :-)
[23:06] <sergiusens> rsalveti: are you moving it to tools per se?
[23:06] <sergiusens> or waiting on that one?
[23:07] <rsalveti> sergiusens: not now, want to migrate things at the same time we get to test our next stable image
[23:07] <rsalveti> so we can all be testing the same thing all together
[23:08] <sergiusens> rsalveti: sounds good
[23:08] <sergiusens> elopio: btw, the bzr bd command there doesn't play nice with my --builder option in bazaar.conf
[23:09] <elopio> sergiusens: we initially copied bzr-buildpackage from the original script, but it didn't work for me.
[23:09] <elopio> sergiusens: can you try that?
[23:09] <sergiusens> Building the package in /home/sergiusens/go/src/launchpad.net/build-area/ubuntu-snappy-1.1.2, using sbuild -d wily --arch=amd64 -c wily-amd64 -j9 -uc -us
[23:09] <sergiusens> Unknown option: u
[23:10] <sergiusens> I'm on trusty
[23:10] <sergiusens> oh, being called for dinner
[23:19] * elopio goes to watch the game.
[23:27] <stgraber> [ 5298.277754] audit: type=1400 audit(1434583615.201:38): apparmor="DENIED" operation="change_profile" profile="lxd_lxd_0.11-0" pid=4690 comm="lxd" target="lxc-container-default"
[23:27] <stgraber> jdstrand: should be added to the unconfined profile too ^
[23:27] <jdstrand> hmm
[23:28] <jdstrand> I'll add it to the list
[23:28] * jdstrand heads out
[23:29] * rsalveti also heads out, dinner and football
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[00:06] <Private_User> LOL I just visited the system76 site and customized the top of the range server, desktop and laptop with all the bells and whistles and it came to R908 938.16...
[00:06] <Private_User> lol
[00:07] <Private_User> how much you guys think I can build the same stuff buying hardware locally which is all compatible with ubuntu?
[00:07] <Private_User> rough estimate I intend to use each of the above to it maximum i.e. it will serve multiple purposes all at the same time
[00:08] <Private_User> just looking at how much I will need to budget for
[00:09] <Private_User> or save up before I can do it or maybe do 1 at a time
[00:16] <squish102> anyone have an idea how i can keep a backup of messages from a facebook group
[05:51] <MaNI> 908k lol what did you put in it?
[05:52] <barrydk> Goodmorning everyone
[06:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings
[06:27] <Kilos> morning barrydk and others
[06:29] <barrydk> hi Kilos wat gebeur jys nogal vroeg vanmore
[06:29] <barrydk> nie koud genoeg nie?
[06:29] <Kilos> besluit om maar koud te kry
[06:30] <Kilos> baie klere aan maar kry eina koud
[06:30] <barrydk> toemaar die somer kom
[06:30] <Kilos> lol
[06:34] <barrydk> Jy moet mar 'n groot vuur bou, netnie die veld aan die brand steek nie, ons het hoeka gister vuur gaan veg hier naby ons
[06:35] <Kilos> ai!
[06:35] <barrydk> Ons nasionale wintersport
[06:36] <Kilos> ja
[06:42] <mazal> Morning
[06:42] <Kilos> hi mazal
[06:45] * mazal mumbels a lot of crude words
[06:45] <Kilos> lol
[06:45] <magespawn> good morning
[06:45] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:46] <mazal> Kyk ek dink die ersgte hitte is nou verby
[06:46] <mazal> ergste*
[06:47] <Kilos> haha
[06:47] <mazal> Hi magespawn
[06:51] <superfly> ohi
[06:52] <Kilos> hi superfly
[06:54] <magespawn> hey superfly mazal
[06:54] <magespawn> todays project is find a small debian based distro to run on a old laptop
[06:55] <Kilos> how small
[06:56] <superfly> magespawn: just use Debian. It's not Ubuntu.
[06:57] <superfly> magespawn: Download the minimal Debian, and then install LXqt or XFCE
[06:58] <magespawn> i have had a look at puppy and slitaz so far, not debian based but what the hell
[06:58] <magespawn> superfly: does debian come without a default desktop?
[07:07] <Kilos> magespawn what specs for the lappy
[07:08] <magespawn> Kilos: do not have it with me the moment, will have to get that tomorrow
[07:09] <magespawn> 512 ram i think, used to have xp on it, but it is now running the latest ubuntu server
[07:09] <Kilos> imo under 2.8g dual with less than 2g ram is too much for ubuntu
[07:10] <Kilos> too weak
[07:11] <magespawn> this is the server, no unity, or any desktop actually
[07:11] <Kilos> oh you want to run server?
[07:12] <magespawn> not particularly, this is just a machine i try things out on
[07:13] <Kilos> eish , min ram man
[07:13] <magespawn> yes
[07:14] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:14] <magespawn> have got puppy, slitaz and debian minimal, so i will give them all a try, and see whats what
[07:14] <magespawn> hi inetpro
[07:14] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[07:19] <superfly> magespawn: the desktop install comes with Gnome 3
[07:29] <magespawn> okay thanks superfly
[07:31] <Kilos> magespawn https://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/780781-6-excellent-lightweight-linux-distros-for-x86-and-arm
[07:48] <magespawn> thanks Kilos
[08:04] <Kilos> hope you find something lad
[08:04] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[08:05] <nlsthzn> o/
[08:05] * nlsthzn needs to reboot >.< bbl
[08:09] <magespawn> thanks Kilos, this is more for experimenting than anything else, so it is not serious
[08:10] <nlsthzn> and I am back :)
[08:12] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn
[08:12] <nlsthzn> how are you uncle Kilos ?
[08:12] <Kilos> cold ty and you?
[08:13] <nlsthzn> hot I guess
[08:13] <Kilos> lol
[08:13] <Kilos> we max 15° today
[08:15] <nlsthzn> our "summer" starts from the 21st apparently... temps of above 50degC and in some places in the open caught in the sun it will go above 70degC... if I hadn't read it on a news site from here I wouldn't have thought it possible
[08:17] <inetpro> yikes!
[08:17] <inetpro> just had a lekker dip in power here in Hatfield
[08:17] <Kilos> wow
[08:18] <Kilos> uh oh
[08:18] * inetpro wonders what failed
[08:18] <Kilos> the wind is blowing
[08:21] <nlsthzn> sucks
[08:41] <Mopkop> Good morning friends!
[08:41] <Kilos> hi Mopkop how are you lad
[08:42] <Mopkop> I have a lot to be thankful for, thank you! And you?
[08:42] <Kilos> good ty, just cold
[08:43] <Mopkop> Indeed. Sorry for disappearing again. What did I miss?
[08:44] <Kilos> load shedding chats
[08:44] <Kilos> complaints, jokes etc
[08:46] <MaNI> and an unanswered question about a R900k laptop
[08:46] <Kilos> what was that about MaNI ?
[08:46] <Kilos> i missed that
[08:47] <Kilos> R900k seems kinda heavy
[08:47] <Mopkop> Kinda...
[08:49] <MaNI> [02:06] <Private_User> LOL I just visited the system76 site and customized the top of the range server, desktop and laptop with all the bells and whistles and it came to R908 938.16...
[08:49] <MaNI> [02:06] <Private_User> lol
[08:49] <MaNI> [02:07] <Private_User> how much you guys think I can build the same stuff buying hardware locally which is all compatible with ubuntu?
[08:49] <MaNI> [02:07] <Private_User> rough estimate I intend to use each of the above to it maximum i.e. it will serve multiple purposes all at the same time
[08:49] <MaNI> I don't know what to say :P
[08:55] <Mopkop> The same stuff? Hmm, I'm guessing it is the server that cost so much? I doubt that he can make a top of the range server for very cheap.
[08:56] <MaNI> define top of the range, there is always something better :p
[10:49] <gremble> Good morning
[10:49] <Kilos> hi gremble
[10:49] <Kilos> afternoon
[10:50] <gremble> I am done with my exams LD
[10:50] <gremble> :D
[10:50] <Kilos> how did it go?
[10:50] <gremble> Phoned the highschool and told them I will help with Winter School for the matrics
[10:50] <gremble> it went well, I would say
[10:50] <Kilos> good
[10:51] <Kilos> what is winter school
[10:52] <gremble> Some schools struggle to get through the matric curriculum, mostly state schools. So there is a winter school that is two weeks in the June/July holiday where the learners can come and either get help with work, or more attention can be given to the neccesary parts in the curriculum
[10:52] <Kilos> ah
[10:52] <gremble> Some schools have it as optional extras but for the others they need it to get through all the work for the students
[10:53] <gremble> I offered to help out Hoerskool Tuine as it is close by
[10:53] <Kilos> good
[10:53] <Kilos> do you speak afrikaans?
[10:54] <gremble> Yup.
[10:54] <Kilos> cool
[10:54] <gremble> Bilingual
[10:54] <gremble> My english is better though. Even though I've been put through an Afrikaans education :P
[10:55] <Kilos> enjoy teaching the young
[10:56] <gremble> I doubt it. I'm not a fan. However, I can imagine that they need someone who isn't tired of their shit and enjoys the subject every once in a while
[10:56] <gremble> :P
[11:24] <magespawn> gremble: what would you teach?
[11:24] <gremble> Mathematics
[11:24] <magespawn> a lot of people need help with that subject
[11:25] <gremble> (Or NatSci, but I don't like chemistry that much, so I'm hoping it is mathematics)
[11:25] <gremble> Yup. That is why I am volunteering
[11:25] <magespawn> you could probably do physics too then
[11:25] <gremble> I missed out with doing community work last year at a school. So I am trying again this year
[11:25] <gremble> Albeit a bit late
[11:26] <magespawn> better late then never
[11:26] <gremble> Sadly that seems to be my motto
[11:26] <gremble> xD
[11:55] <mazal> How can I dig a rope out , just the rope without the box ?
[11:56] <mazal> I have an old one hanging about and can't dig it with any tool I try
[11:56] <mazal> Ag , wrong window sorry guys
[11:59] <gremble> Good. I was starting to think I was in the wrong place
[11:59] <Kilos> lol
[11:59] <mazal> lol
[12:41] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless
[13:22] <magespawn> later all
[13:22] <Kilos> toods magespawn
[13:42] <MaNI> sigh, there always has to be one problem neighbor :/
[13:44] <Kilos> lol
[14:34] <mazal> Hallo and goodbye
[14:35] <Kilos> bye
[14:35] <mazal> I'm off to a VERY warm bath :P
[14:35] <Kilos> lol
[16:01] <z3r009> sup
[16:02] <Kilos> hi z3r009
[16:02] <Kilos> cold
[16:03] <z3r009> what's happening?
[16:04] <Kilos> no9t much i think
[16:04] <Kilos> not
[16:07] <z3r009> a lot of waiting goes on here. What's in the agenda link? i dont have the data to click links right now
[16:08] <Kilos> agenda for the next meeting?
[16:08] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/1Gjg7kb
[16:09] <z3r009> Oh, it's a meeting
[16:09] <Kilos> it sucks when you got data shortages hey
[16:09] <Kilos> ya thats for the 23rd
[16:09] <Kilos> our monthly meeting
[16:09] <Kilos> anyone can add what they think might be interesting
[16:10] <z3r009> what usually happens at these?
[16:10] <Kilos> we discuss things of interest to ubuntu-za and so on
[16:13] <Kilos> you should try attend
[16:13] <z3r009> brb just gotta restart hexchat
[16:13] <Kilos> ok
[16:17] <Kilos> wb z3r009
[16:22] <inetpro> ai tog!
[16:22] <Kilos> ai!
[16:22] <Kilos> shame
[16:23] <inetpro> loadshedding is on again... fortunately not by me this evening
[16:23] <Kilos> ai!
[16:24] <Cryterion> got notified 1hr behind, and in it now
[16:24] <Cryterion> before*
[16:24] <Kilos> ai!
[16:24] <Cryterion> for 2hrs
[16:24] <Kilos> got notified how
[16:24] <Cryterion> gridwatch, phone beeped
[16:25] <Kilos> if mine goes off at 8 im going to bed
[16:25] <Kilos> can that gridwatch id your area from your fone?
[16:26] <Cryterion> You set it
[16:26] <Cryterion> or select from list
[16:26] <Kilos> hahaha i dunno what area they see me as
[16:26] <Kilos> those lists dont pinpoint my area
[16:26] <inetpro> still no response from the city council?
[16:27] <Kilos> about?
[16:27] <Kilos> oh the mail i sent
[16:27] <Kilos> no nothing
[16:27] <Cryterion> lol, My dad's place somehow lands in a section off an industrial area, so hardly gets load scheduled atm
[16:27] <Kilos> nor from the tweet methinks
[16:27] <Kilos> he lucky
[16:50] <Kilos> uh oh sticky broke something
[16:54] <Kilos> stickyboy stop breaking things
[16:57] * Cryterion will probably ping timeout just now when his laptop battery dies
[16:57] <Kilos> ai!
[16:58] <Cryterion> 22 mins left lol, and still an hour of load scheduling
[16:58] <Kilos> eina
[16:58] <Kilos> dim your screen
[16:58] <Kilos> and close everything except irc
[17:01] <z3r009> i say go crazy, do everything at once, turn that 22min of powersaving into 4min of untamed power usage
[17:01] <z3r009> live in the moment
[17:01] <Kilos> lol
[17:02] <z3r009> youre gonna run out of power, that's inevitable just do it on you terms man xD
[17:03] <inetpro> Cryterion: switch to your mobile for IRC
[17:04] <Cryterion> lol, screen stays dim anyway, normally even at min is normally too bright for me, just haven't figured out how to change all white backgrounds to a grey
[17:04] <Cryterion> inetpro, will just now
[17:06] <Cryterion> What does everyone else use for irc on android, currently using andchat which seems fine to me
[17:07] <z3r009> me 2, it's the only one i've tried
[17:08] <z3r009> chose it coz it was first on the list.
[17:08] <Cryterion> Others I've tried just don't work nicely, they work, but andchat seems the easiest
[17:10] <Cryterion> anyone know a way to get your pvt key onto SSHclient for android?
[17:11] <z3r009> i don't. which sshclient do you use?
[17:12] <Cryterion> called SSH Client in shop by Anstudios Ltd
[17:13] <Cryterion> Image has a screen with prompt
[17:16] <z3r009> you gonna ssh to your laptop?
[17:18] <Cryterion> No, can only ssh into the various servers from laptop, can't on phone
[17:18] <Cryterion> Not important now, will email them
[17:43] <inetpro> I guess we all need to learn, adapt and even start to prepare food before 17:00 in the evening
[17:44] <Kilos> we tried that and had cuts anytime from middday
[17:44] <Kilos> now sis starts cooking at 7am
[17:44] <Cryterion> Generator and gas stove help big time
[17:45] <inetpro> Kilos: peak load is at 18:00 in the evening now
[17:45] <inetpro> see http://www.poweralert.co.za/poweralert5/index.php?location=online
[17:46] * Cryterion is still surprised at how long the last 5% of anything on a pc can take
[17:47] <Kilos> ok
[17:49] <Kilos> so what does the red arrow at 17.30 mean
[17:50] <Kilos> last night?
[17:51] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:51] <inetpro> Kilos: you mean 19:30?
[17:51] <Kilos> oh ya sorry
[17:52] <inetpro> Kilos: what's the time now?
[17:52] <Cryterion--> 19:51
[17:52] <Kilos> 19.43
[17:52] <inetpro> no
[17:52] <Kilos> 53
[17:52] <inetpro> ah... better, thank you
[17:52] <Kilos> 52 sorry
[17:52] <Kilos> lol
[17:53] <inetpro> now look towards the right
[17:53] <inetpro> "PLEASE NOTE: The trend display indicates Power Alert states in half hour intervals only."
[17:53] <Kilos> yes
[17:53] <Kilos> saw that
[17:53] <inetpro> which means?
[17:53] <inetpro> 19:30 is the current half hour interval
[17:54] <Kilos> means that no more shedding after 20.00
[17:54] <inetpro> no
[17:54] <inetpro> it's black all the way up to before 22
[17:54] <Kilos> well graph stops at 20
[17:54] <inetpro> ai!
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: that is tomorrow
[17:55] <Kilos> oh
[17:55] <Kilos> black means what
[17:56] <Cryterion--> no power to light it up
[17:56] <Kilos> lol
[17:56] <inetpro> Kilos: click on "How does it work?"
[17:56] <Kilos> ok
[17:57] <Kilos> ai!
[17:58] <Kilos> well ive made my hot water bottle
[17:58] <inetpro> ai!
[17:58] <Kilos> so if im gone in 2 mins goodnight
[17:58] <Cryterion--> lol
[17:58] <inetpro> you used someone else's power?
[17:59] <Kilos> no man no cut here today
[17:59] <inetpro> the more you use the less there is for someone else
[17:59] <Kilos> i didnt make a mug of tea
[18:00] <Kilos> made a hot water bottle instead
[18:00] <Kilos> which do you prefer me to do
[18:00] <Cryterion--> it's not that cold tonight
[18:00] <Kilos> eish
[18:01] <Kilos> you in ct?
[18:01] <Cryterion--> power is back
[18:01] <Cryterion--> nah dbn
[18:01] <Kilos> oi durbanites cant talk about cold
[18:02] <Cryterion--> true we just don't get much of it
[18:02] <Kilos> you have never seen outside water taps freeze solid till 10am of even later
[18:02] <Cryterion--> hmmm. midlands kzn as a kid. i do know it
[18:02] <Kilos> ah
[18:03] <Kilos> midlands where?
[18:09] <Cryterion-> boston and underberg
[18:09] <Kilos> oh ya cold in underburg
[18:09] <Cryterion-> bbiab. eating dinner
[18:09] <Kilos> k
[18:09] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:10] <inetpro> Kilos: it's not so cold this evening
[18:10] <Kilos> sjoe, i think its colder than last night
[18:11] <inetpro> we've had much colder days in previous years
[18:11] <Kilos> yes dont worry the worst is still coming
[18:11] <inetpro> I guess the cold is still coming, but certainly not cold just yet
[18:12] <Kilos> some peach trees still have leaves here
[18:12] <Kilos> and the mulberries
[18:12] <Kilos> normally they all dropped by now
[18:12] <inetpro> exactly
[18:13] <Kilos> why didnt you help me explain what our meetings are about????
[18:15] <inetpro> Kilos: uh, serious!?
[18:15] <Kilos> ya
[18:15] <inetpro> when?
[18:16] <Kilos> 17/06/2015 18:10] <z3r009> what usually happens at these?
[18:17] <inetpro> Kilos: that is my family time... I can chat now
[18:18] <Kilos> he ran out of data again
[18:18] <inetpro> sorry, can't help with that
[18:18] <Kilos> ok
[18:30] <inetpro> wb Cryterion
[18:33] <Kilos> ohi superfly ThatGraemeGuy
[18:34] <inetpro> Vacant Developer Membership Board seat: Call for nominations http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2015/06/17/vacant-developer-membership-board-seat-call-for-nominations-4/
[18:35] <inetpro> superfly: if you were not so busy I would nominate you for that ^^
[18:37] <Cryterion> tks
[18:41] <Kilos> hi spinza
[18:47] <spinza> hey Kilos
[19:05] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:05] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[19:05] <Kilos> keep warm
[19:35] <Cryterion> Night Everyone
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2015-06-17-#kubuntu-devel
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[00:43] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: http://i.imgur.com/I83onB9.jpg
[00:43] <ovidiu-florin> and everyone else, take a look ^
[00:52] <ahoneybun> what is that?
[00:59] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: looks broken
[01:27] <ahoneybun> Riddell: around?
[01:51] <ahoneybun> who has access to docs.kubuntu.org?
[02:52] <ahoneybun> yay internal linking
[02:52] <ahoneybun> !!
[04:37] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: still here?
[07:48] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:49] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: mornin'
[07:49] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: That looks like a bunch of artifacts stitched together...
[07:49] <ovidiu-florin> people, how do I check th eboot logs on 15.04? After install it get's stuck on boot splash screen
[07:50] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: the picture I've sent?
[07:50] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Yes, the stereogram one.
[07:50] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: can you read what I've written in it?
[07:51] <lordievader> I can make an educated guess, KDE.
[07:51] <ovidiu-florin> wrong
[07:51] <lordievader> It does seem to start with K.
[07:52] <lordievader> If you would've said X produced this I would have believe you ;)
[08:11] <ovidiu-florin> how do I check the boot logs?//
[08:11] <lordievader> Under systemd? journal -xe
[08:12] <lordievader> Err journalctl*
[08:17] <ovidiu-florin> I'm on a live session and I want to see why the installed system fails to boot
[08:18] <lordievader> Chroot and run journalctl there?
[08:20] <ovidiu-florin> no journal files were added
[08:25] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Does 'journalctl --list-boots' return multiple log files?
[08:26] <lordievader> Ah with the -D flag you can set your own directory.
[08:26] <lordievader> Or use --file
[08:34] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: I don't understand
[08:36] <lordievader> Well I suppose you save the log files somewhere, in binary format since systemd. However journalctl by default takes the one of the live-cd not of your install. So with -D or --file you can point it to those of your install.
[08:36] <ovidiu-florin> journalctl --list-boots: no journal files were found.
[08:36] <ovidiu-florin> which would be where???
[08:38] <lordievader> Pff, that is the question.
[08:38] <ovidiu-florin> I don't find much usefull doc about systemd on ubuntu
[08:38] <lordievader> Perhaps /var/log/journal?
[08:40] <ovidiu-florin> I don't have that
[10:39] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:38] <soee_> BluesKaj: how ily orks these days ?
[11:38] <soee_> *wily
[11:38] * davmor2 hands soee_ some w's
[11:40] <soee_> better new keyboard :)
[11:41] <BluesKaj> soee_, quite good, a small problem yesterday with fonts-oxygen install , but forcing it managed to get it done, and the odd crash notice when closing apps
[11:42] <soee> cool maybe i will give it a try
[11:42] <soee> anyway someone on Vivid ?
[11:42] <soee> have this problem:
[11:42] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11730061/
[11:42] <BluesKaj> I have vivid on my laptop
[11:44] <BluesKaj> but I don't use libqtkeychain
[11:48] <soee> seems like it is ued by owncloud client and tomahawk
[11:50] <soee> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nvidia-352-21-Linux-Video-Driver-Is-a-Massive-Update-484392.shtml
[11:51] <heeen> where can I clone kde source code from
[11:51] <heeen> e.g. powerdevil
[11:53] <heeen> found it
[11:53] <heeen> git://anongit.kde.org/powerdevil.git
[12:52] <Blizzz> does the skype icon appear in your systray? does not happen here. sni-qt also 386bit is installed.
[13:14] <soee> yup have it
[14:00] <mparillo> On http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ is a list of bugs tagged for what became code-named Wily. Do you know how I can tag a bug of mine (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1464330) for Wily?
[15:24] <ahoneybun> hey ovidiu-florin
[19:03] <ovidiu-florin> Humans, the first Kubuntu Podcast is about to get started, join in: https://plus.google.com/events/cjbl4jsvkaovmjc5ut595nubkpc
[19:18] <sitter_> literally no microphone xD
[19:30] <clivejo> is there another channel for Podcast?
[19:33] <ahoneybun> the channel is #kubuntu-podcast
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-br
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[03:04] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[14:38] <mirqui> bom dia :)
[14:46] <bravosuporte> Bom dia! (Y)
[14:46] <bravosuporte> (y)
[14:46] <mirqui> blza , tudo bem ?
[14:47] <bravosuporte> bleza fala ai
[14:48] <mirqui> isso que serve :)
[14:48] <bravosuporte> ?
[14:49] <mirqui> ahaha que foi ?
[14:54] <bravosuporte> não entendi "isso que serve "
[14:54] <mirqui> ahaha isso que serve = se está tudo bem , isso que serve :)
[14:55] <oliverio> vocês tem idéia do quanto poeira pode prejudicar um HD?
[14:55] <bravosuporte> kkkkkkkkkk
[14:55] <bravosuporte> bleza
[14:55] <mirqui> o hd é lacrado
[14:56] <mirqui> pode ficar ruim os contatos
[14:56] <mirqui> memória , cooller é que estraga
[14:56] <mirqui> dá super aquecimento
[14:59] <oliverio> após o almoço eu conto um episódio que aconteceu comigo
[14:59] <oliverio> e consegui resolver após 1 semana.
[14:59] <oliverio> já venho
[15:02] <mirqui> bom almoço :)
[16:29] <julio> olá
[16:29] <julio> gostaria de criar uma bridge entre a rede sem fio e a rede cabeada
[16:30] <julio> estou usando ubuntu versao 14.10
[16:39] <maicon_mauricio> Oii, eustou com um problema quanto ao apt-get
[16:42] <maicon_mauricio> sou iniciante no ubuntu, fui instalar netflix e fiz alguma coisa errada
[16:42] <maicon_mauricio> desde já obrigado pela atenção
[17:07] <anansi_> tarde
[18:06] <sistematico> Boa tarde
[18:32] <mirqui> boa tarde :)
[19:04] <Lucas___> oi epssoal, alguem ai que possa me dar uma ajuda?
[19:07] <Lucas___> estou tentando instalar o ubuntu no meu pc e nao estou conseguindo... se possivel alguem poderia me ajudar?
[19:11] <oliverio> Lucas___: não está conseguindo o que?
[19:11] <Lucas___> oliveiro, da um erro quando vou instalar."nonetype' object has no attribute 'get_info''
[19:12] <Lucas___> gera um log de erro tambem que nao consigo entender muito bem.
[19:17] <faelz> Lucas___: um momento
[19:17] <Lucas___> ok, estou aguardando :)
[19:18] <faelz> Lucas___: como vc tentou fazer a instalação? pode me dizer como foi o passo a passo?
[19:18] <faelz> está tentando instalar pelo Windows?
[19:19] <Lucas___> baixei o iso, rodei com daemon e estou tentando instalar. e sim. pelo windows
[19:19] <faelz> esse é o problema
[19:19] <faelz> a instalação pelo windows foi descontinuada
[19:19] <Lucas___> ai meu deus
[19:19] <Lucas___> como faço entao?
[19:20] <Lucas___> tenho um pendrive aki, se conseguir me ensinar o passo a passo
[19:20] <faelz> Lucas___: vc tem alguma noção de como instalar um sistema operacional
[19:20] <faelz> ?
[19:20] <faelz> Lucas___: qual versão do Ubuntu vc deseja instalar?
[19:21] <Lucas___> ubuntu-14.10 que quero instalar
[19:21] <Lucas___> e sim tenho noção.
[19:22] <faelz> OK. Então vc deve usar um software para gravar a imagem do ubuntu (.iso) em um pendrive como imagem bootavel.
[19:22] <faelz> Sugestão: unetbootin
[19:23] <faelz> Depois que fizer isso, habilite na BIOS o boot pelo USB.
[19:23] <faelz> Aí vai começar o processo de instalação.
[19:23] <Elfon> mirqui: opa
[19:23] <faelz> Sugiro fazer backup de todos os seus dados importantes antes que ocorra algum problema
[19:23] <Lucas___> ok, durante a instalação eu consigo deletar partição do meu HD?
[19:23] <mirqui> blza :)
[19:23] <faelz> Lucas___: sim
[19:23] <faelz> consegue
[19:24] <mirqui> fala ekfon :)
[19:24] <mirqui> elfon
[19:24] <mirqui> opa , desculpa , falta de óculos
[19:25] <Elfon> hahha
[19:25] <Elfon> mirqui: sabe se o Marcos_ que tava penando conseguiu instalar o so?
[19:25] <mirqui> não lembro cara ,
[19:26] <mirqui> foi onten isto ?
[19:26] <mirqui> opa , falta de fosfato para o cérebro :)
[19:26] <Elfon> tem uns 2 dias
[19:26] <Elfon> o cara tava penando há quase uma semana pra instalar o so
[19:27] <mirqui> haaa
[19:27] <mirqui> um que estava entre o windows e o ubuntu ?
[19:28] <mirqui> não , fail
[19:28] <mirqui> sinseramente não lembro
[19:28] <Elfon> sim
[19:28] <Elfon> o cara sumiu
[19:28] <mirqui> mas se conseguiu não entrou para dizer como está
[19:29] <mirqui> ele estava querendo trocar windows e outras licenças , não sei se era este
[19:30] <mirqui> mas não deu mais as caras
[19:31] <mirqui> ele estava com problema de instalar a iso pelo pendrive
[19:33] <mirqui> descobri num post como habilitar a função hibernar
[19:33] <mirqui> habilitei no note e no de mesa
[19:38] <Elfon> ok
[19:38] <Elfon> um dia ele aparece
[19:38] <Elfon> pq fiquei curioso
[19:38] <mirqui> ?? por que ?
[19:41] <Elfon> nada...queria saber se ele conseguiu
[19:41] <Elfon> hahaha
[19:41] <Elfon> eu sei que depois que chutei o windows nunca mais tive grandes problemas
[19:42] <Elfon> não que o windows seja ruim....mas me sinto melhor
[19:42] <mirqui> o windows é bom , não tenho dúvidas , mas o linux é melhor
[19:43] <mirqui> usei o windows durante muito tempo , até descobrir algo melhor
[19:43] <mirqui> e de graças
[19:43] <mirqui> graça
[19:43] <Elfon> bom...como usuário comum vejo que não preciso recorrer a pirataria pra ter um sistema estável
[19:44] <Elfon> pq o windows tem duas opções: ou vc compra ou pirateia
[19:44] <mirqui> cara , o que eu tenho de traquitana de cd gravado com programas windows
[19:44] <mirqui> ai que está
[19:44] <mirqui> o windows come nas duas pontas
[19:45] <mirqui> afinal windows pirata é propaganda tbm
[19:45] <mirqui> ou tú já viu ubuntu pirata ?
[19:45] <mirqui> o windows é extremamentecomercial
[19:46] <mirqui> não que isso seja ruim
[19:46] <mirqui> os programadores tem contas a pagar , é o seu ganha pão
[19:46] <Elfon> o suporte funciona bem
[19:46] <Elfon> mas com a pirataria não se tem garantia nenhuma
[19:46] <Elfon> além de ser ilegal
[19:47] <mirqui> a única vez que usei suporte windows me enrrolaram um monte
[19:47] <mirqui> me deu raiva que numca tinha comprado um windows do caribe
[19:47] <mirqui> , até que comprei
[19:48] <Elfon> caraca...meu primo adora
[19:48] <Elfon> todas as vezes que teve problema resolveram em horas
[19:48] <mirqui> logo descobri o linux e numca usei a cópia ilegal ahahah
[19:48] <Elfon> e a atualização tabva disponivel on line depois
[19:48] <Elfon> eu depois que consegui fazer tudo pelo linux
[19:48] <mirqui> no linux , no windows demora
[19:48] <Elfon> foi a melhor coisa...
[19:49] <Elfon> penei um bocado...pq tem algumas coisas específicas que dá trabalho
[19:49] <mirqui> te contei o que ele fizeram ?
[19:49] <mirqui> meu pc deu pau
[19:50] <mirqui> comprei um pc e veio o windows
[19:50] <mirqui> deu pau mais 2 vezes
[19:50] <mirqui> na 3 vez a licença não entrava
[19:50] <mirqui> liguei para o sac deles
[19:51] <mirqui> mandei cópia da nota fiscal
[19:51] <mirqui> key do windows
[19:51] <mirqui> liguei mais de 19 vezes
[19:52] <mirqui> na última o cara me disse que eu teria que comprar nova licença
[19:52] <Elfon> hahaha
[19:52] <mirqui> isso que tinha o cd que eu tunha comprado
[19:52] <Elfon> procon neles
[19:53] <mirqui> mandei eles tomarem no feofo e comprei um win do caribe
[19:53] <mirqui> do xo para o 7
[19:53] <mirqui> xp
[19:53] <mirqui> nesse interim descobri o mint e logo depois o ubuntu
[19:54] <Elfon> cara...eu sou da época do saudoso kurumin
[19:54] <mirqui> conclusão , perdi 5 reais da cópia ilegal
[19:54] <Elfon> compre até os cds pra ajudar a distro
[19:54] <mirqui> eu não conhecia
[19:54] <mirqui> era tipo gato com a cabeça ensacada
[19:55] <mirqui> conhecia o irc , mas numca fiu para um irc expecifico
[19:55] <Elfon> foi uma distro excelente e totalmente tupiniquim
[19:55] <mirqui> um dia entrei no ubuntu-br
[19:56] <mirqui> sim , pena que foi descontinuada
[19:56] <mirqui> no sempreupdate eu descobri uma distros brasileiras
[19:57] <mirqui> bem legais , mas a primeira não é compativel com meu note
[19:57] <Elfon> depois eu fui pro opensuse
[19:57] <Elfon> fino fino
[19:57] <mirqui> mas dá para usar como livecd
[19:57] <Elfon> aí fiquei sabendo do mandriva...distro franco brasileira
[19:57] <mirqui> tenho tbm
[19:57] <Elfon> a muié comprou um pc que veio com mandriva
[19:58] <Elfon> usei umas 2 horas e instalei no meu pc (o dea foi pro lado negro da força...hahaha)
[19:58] <mirqui> mandriva dizem que é difícil de instalar
[19:58] <Elfon> e fiquei nele
[19:58] <Elfon> atualmente tô com o ROSA que é dna mandriva
[19:58] <Elfon> nunca mais tive problemas...só no inicio
[19:58] <Elfon> pq o suporte a hardware não era tão bom...
[19:59] <mirqui> de instalação fácil ?
[19:59] <Elfon> primeiro foi a placa de som nvidia...só funcionou depois de uns 3 anos
[19:59] <Elfon> não...de reconhecimento e drives funcionais
[19:59] <Elfon> não tinha drives pra ela na época
[19:59] <Elfon> depois foi uma laca de captura de tv
[19:59] <mirqui> estou esperando o ubuntu unificado
[19:59] <Elfon> aí de uns 3 anos pra cá não tive mais problemas
[20:00] <mirqui> quando sair vou comprar um tablet
[20:00] <mirqui> para o cel eu uso o teamviewer
[20:00] <mirqui> ai ligo em linha o note e o de mesa
[20:01] <Elfon> eu costumo usar o kdeconnect
[20:01] <Elfon> uma mão na roda
[20:01] <lucas___> oi, to precisando de uma ajudinha dnv
[20:01] <Elfon> pq as notificações aparecem no pc....nem preciso pegar o celular pra saber quem tá ligando
[20:02] <Elfon> lucas___: opa....posta sua dúvida e espere uma resposta
[20:02] <Elfon> lucas___: nao demora muito :)
[20:02] <mirqui> fala lucas
[20:03] <lucas___> certo, eu gravei u ISO no pendrive usando o programa que me falaram. reiniciei o PC mas nao acessa a instalação do ubuntu]
[20:03] <Elfon> lucas___: vc tem q definir a ordem do boot pra iniciar com o pen drive antes do hd
[20:04] <Elfon> vc pode procurar no google: instalando ubuntu Modelo_do_su_note
[20:04] <mirqui> tú vai na bios
[20:04] <mirqui> f2 ou f5 , agora não sei
[20:04] <Elfon> lucas___: outra coisa...vc deve tornar o pen drive bootável...não só simplesmente copiar o arquivo
[20:05] <lucas___> eu usei um aplicativo que um de vocês me falou
[20:05] <lucas___> unetbootin-windows-608
[20:05] <mirqui> como vc fez ?
[20:05] <mirqui> passo a passo
[20:06] <lucas___> certo. usei o app pra gravar a imagem no pendrive. reiniciei o computador para iniciar pelo pendrive.
[20:06] <lucas___> quando foi iniciar pelo pendrive ele fica nao inicializa
[20:07] <mirqui> não , como vc usou para gravar no pendrive
[20:07] <lucas___> fica tentandoo entrar até eu tirar o pendrive.
[20:07] <lucas___> usei unetbootin
[20:07] <lucas___> selecionei a imagem
[20:07] <mirqui> sim , são 3 passos
[20:07] <mirqui> sim , que mais
[20:07] <lucas___> selecionei o pendrive
[20:08] <mirqui> que mais
[20:08] <lucas___> e dei ok
[20:08] <lucianopib> boa tarde!
[20:08] <mirqui> são mais coisas
[20:08] <lucianopib> instalei o ubuntu 15.04 porém não consigo imprimir em uma impressora hp
[20:08] <mirqui> tem o tamanho e a opção de formatar
[20:09] <Elfon> lucianopib: usb ou wi fi?
[20:09] <lucianopib> usb
[20:09] <lucianopib> laserjet p1005
[20:09] <Elfon> lucianopib: tenta instalar o hplip se ela não reconhecer automagicamente
[20:09] <lucas___> me da uam ajuda em como mirqui?
[20:09] <lucas___> nao sei o que exatamente colocar la
[20:10] <Elfon> lucianopib: pluga ela e liga com o pc ligado
eu já instalei e deu correto a instalação
[20:10] <mirqui> no tamanho de um negócio que não lenbro , tem uma barrinha , põe no máximo
[20:10] <Elfon> ok
[20:10] <lucianopib> porém não imprime página de teste e nem outra página
[20:11] <Elfon> lucianopib: dá śo uma conferida se a impressora padrão é a mesma que vc tá mandando imprimir
[20:11] <mirqui> usei este programa faz muito tempo
[20:11] <lucas___> no caso aqui nao tem a barriguinha, só tem as cetinhas pra cima e pra baixo.
[20:11] <lucianopib> elfon: é sim
[20:11] <mirqui> diz o que ?
[20:12] <lucas___> a cetinah quando você clica ela sobre de 1 em 1 mb
[20:13] <mirqui> espera , vou ver a imagem no site baixaki e te digo
[20:13] <Elfon> lucianopib: bom..aí não sei...reinicia e vÊ se funfa
[20:14] <mirqui> vai no ubuntu
[20:15] <lucianopib> Elfon já tentei isto e não dá certo não
[20:15] <Elfon> procura uma igreja então
ai complica, não é este recurço não, pois sou pastor e não resolvei. kkk
[20:17] <lucas___> eu ir no ubunto ?
[20:17] <Elfon> pq as hps são as melhores pra instalar
[20:17] <lucas___> ubuntu*
[20:17] <Elfon> hggdh: tá on pra ajudar o lucianopib ?
[20:18] <mirqui> é esse programa UNetBootIN 6.08 ?
[20:19] <lucas___> unetbootin-windows-608
[20:19] <mirqui> certo
[20:20] <mirqui> tem uma ceta para baixo , escolhe a opção ubuntu
[20:20] <mirqui> onde diz distribuição
[20:21] <lucas___> feito, e do outro lado ? 14.04 msm?
[20:21] <mirqui> calma , vou ver
[20:23] <mirqui> isso , agora disk image - e o logal onde vc baixou a iso
[20:23] <mirqui> deve ser em downloads ou onde vc baixou
[20:23] <lucas___> minha imagem é 14.10. isso importa?
[20:24] <mirqui> não
[20:24] <lucianopib> a minha net tinha caido elfon
[20:24] <Elfon> uhauha
[20:24] <lucas___> em espaço coloco algo?
[20:24] <lucas___> espaso usado para preserver
[20:24] <mirqui> espera
[20:24] <Elfon> lucianopib: vc pode testar outros aplicativos...pq se não dá erro pode ser do aplicativo
[20:25] <Elfon> as hps costumam funfar de boa
[20:25] <lucianopib> eu tentei algum vídeo no you tube porém não consegui solucionar tbm nõa
[20:26] <mirqui> lucas , não tem isso aqui onde estou vendo
[20:26] <lucas___> logo a baixo de imagem do disco.
[20:26] <Elfon> lucianopib: como assim?
[20:27] <lucas___> ta escrito. " Espaço usado para preservar os arquivos..."
[20:27] <mirqui> mas põe o máximo que não deve excedere a capacidade do pendrive
[20:27] <lucas___> certo. feito. agora é OK?
[20:27] <mirqui> estou chutando cara , não da para ver isto aqui
[20:27] <lucianopib> assistir videos no youtube que ajudem a instalar e impressora, porém é instalado só que não imprime <Elfon>
[20:28] <mirqui> mas se não der formata e grava de novo
[20:28] <Elfon> lucianopib: aí não sei....já verificou se não tem algum erro ou se tem tinta/toner?
[20:29] <lucianopib> eu imprimo em outro pc da win blz, só não nos que instalei o ubuntu
[20:35] <mirqui> lucas preciso ir , o elfon , kurkhaut , hggdh podem te ajudar melhor que eu , até
[20:56] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[22:15] <lucas___> opa, alguem me ajuda ?
[22:16] <astroo-> ola poe sempre a duvida
[22:17] <lucas___> to tentando isntalar o UBUNTU 14.10. mas nao estou conseguindo. ja coloquei o ISO no pendrive usando o programa que vocês me aconselharam mas ainda nao da certo.
[22:18] <lucas___> unetbootin-windows-608 é o programa
[22:18] <astroo-> Canonical Patches Privilege Escalation Vulnerability in Ubuntu http://www.securityweek.com/canonical-patches-privilege-escalation-vulnerability-ubuntu
[22:18] <astroo-> o disco rigido esta sem nada?
[22:18] <lucas___> está com windows.
[22:19] <lucas___> mas na hora de instalar vou remove-lo
[22:19] <astroo-> pode ser dai o mal
[22:19] <lucas___> mas estou fazendo o mesmo processo de formação normal.. poxa vida
[22:19] <lucas___> maquina virtual eu isntalo de boas
[22:20] <astroo-> pode ser da proteçao do windows
[22:20] <lucas___> consegue me ajudar?
[22:20] <lucas___> mas nem entrar na instalação ?
[22:20] <lucas___> eu nao consigo nem sequer entrar na tela de instalação
[22:22] <astroo-> esper
[22:23] <astroo-> ve o privado
[22:34] <lucas____> oi, ta por ai ainda?
[22:35] <Marcos_> Boa noite. Alguém pode me ensinar como restaurar um notebook acer pelo ubuntu? O detalhe é que meu notebook não tem leitor de CD.
[22:36] <astroo-> ola
[22:37] <astroo-> no site oficial do ubuntu diz como por o ubuntu
[22:38] <astroo-> e via pendrive
[22:38] <lucas____> onde
[22:38] <Marcos_> via pen driver dá?
[22:39] <lucas____> to querendo instalar via pendrive Marcos, mas nao da certo. acontece o mesmo ai?
[22:40] <Marcos_> qual programa esta usando
[22:40] <Marcos_> vc tem que tornar seu pendrive bootavel
[22:40] <Marcos_> ja fez isso?
[22:42] <Marcos_> um programa otimo para isso é o unetbootin
[22:42] <lucas____> eu usei o unetbootin
[22:42] <lucas____> mas nao funcionou
[22:42] <lucas____> nao da boot pelo pendrive. fica tentando entrar até eu tirar o pendrive
[22:43] <Marcos_> qual sistema estava instalado no seu pc
[22:46] <lucas____> win 8
[22:46] <lucas____> win 7
[22:46] <lucas____> win 7 !
[22:49] <Marcos_> entra na bios e na guia boot altere de UEFI para LEGACY
[22:50] <Marcos_> windows roda no uefi e linus legacy
[22:50] <Marcos_> ops quero dizer linux
[22:50] <Marcos_> entendeu
[22:52] <astroo-> se voltar eu depois dou a tua explicaçao
[22:53] <Marcos_> astroo?
[22:54] <astroo-> parece que nao volta
[22:56] <Marcos_> astroo, sabe me dizer se atraves do ubuntu consigo restaurar as configurações de fábrica do meu notebook acer?
[22:57] <astroo-> nao sei quase nada de ubuntu
[22:57] <astroo-> da uns 15 minutos pela possivel resposta de alguem
[22:58] <Marcos_> qual vc usa
[23:03] <CyL> Marcos_: não
[23:08] <Marcos_> to com problema
[23:08] <Marcos_> instalei ubuntu no acer e ele trava ao ligar e desligar
[23:09] <Marcos_> as vezes quando ligo vai para tela de kernel
[23:11] <Marcos_> já tentei kubuntu, xubuntu e outras distros do ubuntu mas não tem jeito ele trava em todas.
[23:12] <Marcos_> por isso quroe restaura-lo para ver se o problema é no notebook. ele veio windows 8
[23:14] <Marcos_> vc já usou linux mint
[23:20] <CyL> Já
[23:21] <lucas___> olá
[23:21] <lucas___> alguem por ai?
[23:22] <astroo-> espera
[23:23] <CyL> lucas___: Não seria melhor fazer a sua pergunta e uma vez?
[23:23] <lucas___> é que eu ja vim aqui variaz vezes. achei que alguem que ja me ajudou ja estavapor aqui
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-rs
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[21:56] <Mile> pozdrav svima treba mi pomoc u vezi instalacije skype
[21:57] <Mile> instalirao sam .deb fajl i kad pokrenem skype iz terminala pise mi samo Aborted
[22:17] <bOSKE> Mile, probaj ovo rm ~/.Skype/shared.xml
[22:17] <bOSKE> pa onda probaj da ga pokrenes
[22:48] <Mile> sad cu evo palim komp.
[22:48] <Atlantic777> Mile: zašto ne instaliraš skype iz repoa?
[22:49] <Mile> probao sam isto se desava
[22:51] <Mile> isto se desava probao sam ovo sto je bosko predlozio
[22:51] <Mile> aborted
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-locoteams
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[06:30] <Kilos> morning all
[07:11] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <Kilos> hi dholbach
[07:16] <dholbach> hey Kilos
[08:10] <elacheche> o/ LoCos :)
[20:00] <svij> mhall119: hey, do I remember correctly that you said on the Ubucon UOS-Session that we could use the same software on summit/uds.ubuntu.com for an ubucon?
[20:01] <mhall119> svij: yes, in fact jose is doing that for the next UbuConLA
[20:01] <svij> mhall119: but selfhostign should be also possible?
[20:02] <mhall119> svij: if you want to self-host summit, but that's not always a pleasant experience
[20:02] <svij> why?
[20:02] <mhall119> the codebase just hasn't been polished for making independent deployments easy
[20:02] <svij> oh i see.
[20:02] <mhall119> and it's a bit of an organically-grown mess in places
[20:03] <mhall119> but we can host your UbuCon schedule on summit.ubuntu.com
[20:03] <mhall119> like http://summit.ubuntu.com/ubuconla-2015/
[20:03] <svij> oh right
[20:04] <svij> I'm thinking of an overall new website for ubucon.eu for next year
[20:04] <svij> so I still have some time
[20:05] <mhall119> svij: if all you need is a schedule display, it might be easier to write something custom or use a CMS plugin
[20:05] <svij> thats django cms?
[20:05] <mhall119> you can, there's probably stuff for Wordpress and Drupal too, depending on what you're more familiar with
[20:05] <svij> at ubucon.de we use drupal, but I don't really like it, (old style, not that "moden" looking design etc)
[20:07] <svij> mhall119: anyway, did you see my mail from a few weeks ago regarding that documentation site ?
[20:07] <svij> I only got an answer from nhaines …
[20:09] <mhall119> svij: yes, sorry I haven't replied yet. I'd be happy with helping add documentation (having now run an UbuCon myself), shall we use the wiki until nhaines has a chance to work on ubucon.org?
[20:10] <svij> mhall119: we can, sure. The etherpad log from our uos meeting says, that it should be on c.u.com if I remember correctly
[20:10] <svij> I'm acutally documenting everything in german (on wiki.ubucon.de), but it might be good in english and with experience from other countries
[20:25] <svij> mhall119: there's already a site about "running an ubucon" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/RunningAnUbucon but pretty outdated, last revision was in 2008…
[20:27] <mhall119> (last edited by localhost), I'm not even sure what that means
[20:28] <svij> probably some script
[20:28] <mhall119> svij: is the current content worth keeping and building on? Or would it be easier to start something new from scratch?
[20:28] <svij> mhall119: I didn't read it yet
[20:33] <svij> mhall119: it doesn't look too bad, but I didn't read it completely so far
[20:33] <svij> but we need more than one site …
[20:36] <mhall119> svij: yeah, but it would be a place to start
[20:36] <svij> sure
[20:36] <mhall119> maybe break things out into different pages, like venue selection, recruiting speakers, etc
[20:37] <svij> we have subpages for communication, overall tasks, timetable for tasks, organisation at the place of the ubucon, social network stuff, sponsoring, advertisements/marketing …
[22:44] <nhaines> svij: if you pass along German documentation to me as it starts to reach stablish status, I can translate and localize those pages to English.
[22:44] <nhaines> Not that you can't, but it'll be one less thing for you to worry about. :)
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-desktop
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[05:11] <pitti> Good morning
[05:55] <didrocks> good morning
[06:01] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:03] <didrocks> hey pitti, how are you?
[06:07] <pitti> didrocks: quite well, thanks! juggling systemd, langpacks, and urgent apport features :)
[06:07] <didrocks> good luck!
[06:07] <pitti> et toi ?
[06:08] <didrocks> I'm fine, thanks
[06:24] <larsu> morning :)
[07:11] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[07:12] <seb128> hey pitti & desktopers
[07:12] <seb128> pitti, wie gehts?
[07:12] * pitti ^5s seb128, gut danke! und dir?
[07:12] <seb128> pitti, larsu is off for the morning, he's have spanish classes this week (and shifted hours)
[07:12] * seb128 ^5s pitti back, good, danke!
[07:12] <pitti> seb128: ah, I missed his "good morning" earlier
[07:54] <seb128> hum
[07:54] <seb128> so that iso doesn't boot in kvm :-/
[07:54] <seb128> "systemd: Started udev Coldplug all Devices."
[07:54] <seb128> it just sits there
[07:55] <seb128> 13s in the boot
[08:06] <Laney> hello!
[08:07] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:08] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:11] <seb128> pitti, is boot blocking on "systemd: Started udev Coldplug all Devices." symptomatic of some known class of system misconfiguration/bug?
[08:13] <Laney> hey didrocks & seb128
[08:13] <seb128> Laney, how is u.k today?
[08:15] <Laney> cloudy, rain later
[08:15] <Laney> and nl?
[08:18] <seb128> sunny today!
[08:18] <seb128> and not too windy, which is nice
[08:22] <pitti> seb128: not really -- that sounds like a kernel driver issue usually, but hard to tell without more logs
[08:22] <pitti> seb128: drop "quiet splash" and boot with "debug systemd.debug-shell"?
[08:23] <seb128> pitti, k
[09:18] <seb128> pitti, it hangs on http://imagebin.ca/v/25WyUYshyvpy ... no way to go to vt8 or something
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: hm, is that with a new kernel or something? since when did that happened?
[09:30] <Laney> bet a thousand euros it's the personal image
[09:30] <Laney> :)
[09:30] <seb128> Laney, you won!
[09:31] <seb128> pitti, it's a candidate of snappy personnal image I'm trying to build in kvm
[09:31] <seb128> it's the first image build that worked so can't compare to "previous versions/since"
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok; and no VT switching? seems that something is breaking stuff really hard then :/ could you try moving /etc/sysctl.d/ away for testing if it's one of the knobs there which trigger a kernel fault or so?
[09:47] <seb128> pitti, how do you I move things away without a command line? can I do that from grub?
[09:47] <seb128> booting with upstart it hits cloud-init expection errors and seem to bug on that
[09:47] <pitti> seb128: you can't boot rescue either?
[09:47] <seb128> some mkdir failing
[09:47] <pitti> seb128: you could boot with init=/bin/bash
[09:48] <pitti> then mount -o remount,rw /
[09:48] <pitti> and h4ck stuff there
[09:48] <seb128> let me try recovery
[09:48] <pitti> I can help you in a bit, I'm just rather swamped ATM
[09:49] <seb128> don't worry, thanks for the hints
[09:49] <pitti> and Laney's "fix udisks" club is becoming a real threat too
[09:49] <pitti> seb128: in the mean time, feel free to scp it to people.c.c.?
[09:49] <seb128> pitti, it's a 10G image, going to take a while on my dsl line, going to do that over lunch
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: convert it to qcow2?
[09:50] <pitti> seb128: please don't upload a raw image :)
[09:50] <seb128> k
[09:50] * seb128 googles
[09:51] <seb128> qemu-img convert -f raw -O qcow2
[09:51] <pitti> seb128: qemu-img convert -O qcow2 xx.raw xx.img
[09:51] <pitti> seb128: you can then also use -snapshot
[09:51] <pitti> when running the VM, to avoid modifying it
[09:52] * didrocks has some easy-to-use scripts for this if interested
[09:52] <seb128> didrocks, converting?
[09:52] <seb128> shoot! :-)
[09:52] <didrocks> seb128: not converting, but starting with/without snapshot, using hw accel…
[09:53] * Laney hugs pitti
[09:53] <Laney> feel free to punt that if you have some hints about where to look
[09:53] <didrocks> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/vms/vmcommon
[09:53] <seb128> didrocks, I'm interested!
[09:53] <didrocks> seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/vms/ rather
[09:53] <seb128> didrocks, 'ci
[09:53] <pitti> fun how everyone has their own :)
[09:53] <didrocks> seb128: make them all executable, but vmcommon
[09:54] <seb128> k
[09:54] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/scripts/vm and http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/scripts/vmbr here
[09:54] <didrocks> Usage: /home/didrocks/bin/vm [--master] <image> [vm options...]
[09:54] <pitti> so that I can do "vm /my/ubuntu.img -snapshot"
[09:54] <pitti> and vmbr is with using the lxcbr0 bridge for "proper" networking
[09:54] <Laney> you crazy people
[09:54] <didrocks> interesting, mine are -snapshot by default, unless you specify --master to modify base image
[09:54] <Laney> I just load it up in virt-manager :P
[09:55] <didrocks> (as I'm using snapshot way more)
[09:55] <pitti> didrocks: yeah, I tend to do that too, good idea
[09:55] <didrocks> the vm-net is inspired by the commands you gave me some times ago, seems similar to vmbr :)
[09:55] <pitti> yeah, "vm" just searches a free port and uses that for ssh redirection, vmbr does the bridge thing
[09:57] <didrocks> Laney: remember that you are the one liking tiling wm :)
[10:57] <larsu> hi pitti :)
[10:57] <larsu> man it's nice out
[11:00] <ogra_> in berlin too ?
[11:04] <pitti> c'était gris en Bavière d'hier :(
[11:11] <larsu> ogra_: ya. Perfect.
[11:12] <ogra_> kassel too :)
[11:12] <larsu> nice :)
[11:24] <pitti> Laney: udisks is an actual regression; investigating now
[11:24] <pitti> perhaps related to newer kernel/util-linux/udev, as udisks2 itself hasn't changed in a while
[14:28] <seb128> pitti, ok, so I managed to get a debug console, tons of jobs fail to start :-/
[14:28] <seb128> journalctl has a lot of "failed dependencies", is there a way to tell which one?
[14:29] <seb128> also trying to start e.g getty@tty7 returns a job for ... canceled"
[14:29] <larsu> it is configured to only allow 6 gettys
[14:29] <larsu> this is on touch?
[14:30] <pitti> seb128: can you pastebin a journalctl output?
[14:30] * pitti needs to run for some errands, back in 20
[14:31] <seb128> larsu, ignore getty, I can list any other job in the same situation, rc-local.service if you prefer
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, not easy, I'm in a debug console of a kvm without much access to outside
[14:31] <pitti> seb128: systemctl --failed
[14:31] <seb128> larsu, and no, it's not touch, it's snappy personnal try
[14:31] <seb128> pitti, that lists 38 failed jobs
[14:32] <seb128> but mostly mount ones
[14:32] <seb128> which I know why they fail, but that shouldn't block the system to start, should it?
[14:32] <larsu> depends on which ones fail I guess
[14:33] <seb128> larsu, /writable touch rw overwrites
[14:33] <seb128> not system partitions
[14:33] <larsu> hm?
[14:33] <seb128> hum?
[14:33] <larsu> huum?
[14:33] <seb128> what do you "hm?" about?
[14:33] <larsu> not sure what you mean by "/writable touch rw overwrites"
[14:33] <seb128> the fstab includes bindmounts for touch
[14:33] <seb128> which don't work on snappy
[14:34] <seb128> but I don't really care if those locales stay ro
[14:34] <seb128> so those jobs failing is fine to me (if that doesn't block other things)
[14:34] <larsu> ah, that makes sense
[14:34] <larsu> haven't dug that deep into systemd yet
[14:34] <larsu> but probably it's configured to not boot when mounts fail
[14:35] <seb128> is there a "retry all failing jobs?" ;-)
[14:35] <larsu> I don't think so, no :)
[14:36] <larsu> there's probably some mount target that you can activate though
[14:36] * larsu looks
[14:38] <larsu> seb128: what does `systemctl list-units --type=targets --all` say?
[14:38] <larsu> especially for the local-fs.target
[14:39] <seb128> "unknown unit type or load state 'targets'"
[14:39] <larsu> sorry, it's --type=target
[14:40] <seb128> all is not-found
[14:40] <larsu> not good :/
[14:40] <seb128> syslog as well
[14:40] <seb128> everything else is loaded
[14:40] <seb128> local-fs is loaded inactive dead
[14:40] <seb128> which I guess is not good
[14:41] <larsu> indeed
[14:41] <larsu> should be active :)
[14:41] <larsu> you can try reactivating it, but I'm not sure why that would work now
[14:42] <seb128> yeah, a dependency job failed
[14:42] <seb128> but it doesn't say which one
[14:42] <larsu> not even in the jounral?
[14:43] <larsu> journalctl -f in a separate terminal is really handy btw
[14:44] <seb128> yeah, just too much content in there
[14:44] <seb128> like it lists 50 jobs that fail
[14:46] <seb128> k, that's ridiculous, I guess I need to clear out the fstab/writable issue first and see what remains
[14:46] <pitti> seb128: if fstab mounts fail that aren't marked with "nofail", they will fail local-fs.target and with it pretty much everything else
[14:46] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I guess it's the issue there
[14:47] <seb128> pitti, can I edit fstab and tell "retry all the jobs"? ;-)
[14:47] <seb128> or retry start local-fs ?
[14:47] <pitti> seb128: (untested) "systemctl default"
[14:47] <pitti> seb128: but might be easier to just reboot :)
[14:48] <pitti> seb128: systemctl status local-fs.target doesn't say which dependency failed? it shold
[14:51] <seb128> pitti, hum, are changed to qcow2 images stored/persistent?
[14:51] <pitti> seb128: normally yes, unless you start qemu with -snapshot
[14:52] <pitti> usually better to start with -snapshot, as you can hack away without destroying the image
[14:52] <seb128> k
[14:52] <seb128> pitti, http://picpaste.com/qemu-7fiqV7Bv.png
[14:53] <didrocks> or if you use my script… :)
[14:53] * seb128 tries reboot
[14:54] <pitti> seb128: ok; then "systemctl --failed --type=mount" should list the failed ones
[14:54] <seb128> pitti, yeah, there is like 38 of those
[14:55] <seb128> ok, boots now to what looks like a display server fail, progress!
[14:57] <seb128> didrocks, do you remember why you didn't include http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/view/head:/live-build/ubuntu-core/hooks/20-extra-files.chroot in the ubuntu-desktop-next dir?
[14:57] <seb128> that seems the issue
[14:57] <seb128> the /writable dir is missing so all the mount job fail
[14:57] <seb128> jobs*
[14:58] <pitti> seb128: ah, nice!
[14:58] <pitti> ln -sf /proc/mounts /etc/mtab
[14:59] <pitti> oh for $DEITY's sake, can we just completely eradicate /etc/mtab?
[14:59] <pitti> it seems snappy is the one thing that doesn't need to be concerned about 30 year old tools for disks/mounts administration?
[14:59] <didrocks> seb128: once sec, looking (sorry, finishing up opening a BTS issue on licensecheck)
[14:59] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[15:00] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I just want the "mkdir -p /writable"
[15:00] <seb128> mvo_, ogra_, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/livecd-rootfs/trunk/view/head:/live-build/ubuntu-core/hooks/20-extra-files.chroot ... see pitti's comment about mtab
[15:00] <didrocks> seb128: maybe a mistake. I remember to have deleted one file on purpose, but I don't think it was that one
[15:01] <pitti> mvo_, ogra_: specifically, did you just add /etc/mtab "because we always did", or does something on snappy actually need it? if the latter, can we fix that?
[15:01] <ogra_> seb128, yes, and ? i'm fully with him
[15:01] <ogra_> pitti, no, i had to add it else mountall tries to set it up
[15:01] <pitti> (I'm volunteering for fixing it, FTR)
[15:01] <ogra_> we discussed that, remember
[15:01] <pitti> ogra_: aah, ok
[15:01] <seb128> ogra_, so it's needed?
[15:01] <pitti> ogra_: so that was just to quiesce mountall
[15:01] <ogra_> it needs to be a sym,link
[15:01] <pitti> but that doesn't affect snappy, just touuch?
[15:01] <ogra_> we used to do that on the s-i server when re-packing
[15:02] <ogra_> does systemd have anything handling mtab ?
[15:02] <ogra_> i think you said no
[15:02] <pitti> ogra_: our package has a "fixup" job to replace a file with a symlink
[15:02] <pitti> upstream, no
[15:02] <ogra_> then snappy wont need it
[15:02] <pitti> the last bit of util-linux was fix in 2.25 I believe (but we only turned on that option in wily)
[15:03] <pitti> ogra_: ah, I just see that we do need to adjust /lib/systemd/debian-fixup
[15:04] <pitti> we don't need /lib/systemd/system/debian-fixup.service in snappy at all, so if we are looking for some 0.01 s optimization somewhere.. :)
[15:04] <seb128> ogra_, pitti, so should I keep it or delete it?
[15:05] <pitti> seb128: delete it, and I'll fix debian-fixup.service
[15:05] <ogra_> pitti, btw, i discussed mtab with slangasek when i added that ... (we are trying to get rid of it since at least 5 years) and i think he said it would probably time to re-visit that ... iirc there are still some debs that rely on it and iots format he said
[15:05] <pitti> it'll fail on a r/o image until then, but that's harmless
[15:05] <seb128> pitti, k, what happens without your fix?
[15:06] <ogra_> seb128, /etc isnt writable ...
[15:06] <pitti> seb128: debian-fixup.service will likely fail as it can't create the /etc/mtab link
[15:06] <ogra_> so whatever would try to create it would fail
[15:06] <seb128> k, but that doesn't block the boot?
[15:06] <pitti> seb128: no, should be fine; it's just a wants
[15:06] <seb128> great
[15:07] <ochosi> Laney: pressed the power button on my new xps13 for the first time one minute ago
[15:07] <seb128> ogra_, mvo_, do you want it out of ubuntu-core as well?
[15:07] <seb128> ochosi, oh, you received it? great :-)
[15:07] <ochosi> yep! :)
[15:07] <ogra_> seb128, i dont reallyy care, just leave it in touch
[15:07] <ochosi> first time i see ubuntu OEM
[15:07] <Laney> ochosi: nice, good luck ;-)
[15:08] <ochosi> Laney: well i've already downloaded a 15.04 iso, but i still wanted to see what the ootb experience was
[15:08] <ogra_> the point of this hook is to make it possible to use plain cdimage rootfses without them being re-packaged on the s-i server
[15:08] <ogra_> i thinnk it will make mountall fall over or at least unhappy on the phone
[15:11] <ochosi> Laney: is it just Dell or do you ship chrome by default these days?
[15:11] <Laney> haha of course not
[15:11] <seb128> ochosi, just oem images
[15:11] <Laney> that's them
[15:11] <ochosi> thought so, just wanted to be sure
[15:12] <seb128> we have discussions every now and then about chromium by default but it never managed to make it default
[15:12] <ochosi> yeah, basically it'd mean replacing tb as well, no?
[15:12] <ochosi> at least to get the full benefit of dropping XUL
[15:12] <seb128> no
[15:13] <seb128> yeah, well that's not the main driver motivation to change
[15:13] <seb128> the people who want chromium default just think that it has more users/is more popular
[15:14] <ogra_> well, it will soon have less ads :)
[15:14] <ogra_> (given the new firefox ad model)
[15:16] <ochosi> Laney: whoa, who made BIOS look like Windows 95??
[15:33] <seb128> pitti, ok, next problem, the vm boots to what looks like x failing to start, but it loops on that and no way to go to a vt or anything, any clue how to debug?
[15:33] <seb128> recovery does the same
[15:34] <seb128> tried to boot with init=/bin/bash but that hangs boot and doesn't give me a shell
[15:34] <pitti> seb128: can you boot with console=ttyS0, and with qemu option "-serial stdout"
[15:34] <pitti> sorry, "-serial stdio"
[15:34] <pitti> seb128: then you will get a serial console and the boot messages there
[15:35] <pitti> and don't need to rely on the internal VTs
[15:36] <seb128> pitti, great, danke
[15:38] <seb128> arg
[15:38] <seb128> don't ctrl-C on that std :p
[15:38] <seb128> it stops the qemu
[15:40] <pitti> seb128: yeah :/
[15:40] <pitti> seb128: do you get some useful output and a getty there?
[15:41] <seb128> pitti, yes, basically xorg fails to start as expected
[15:41] <seb128> it just do it in loops for ever
[15:41] <seb128> and in recovery mode as well? (that feels wrong)
[15:41] <pitti> so lightdm keeps restarting? or the autologin does?
[15:41] <pitti> yes, recovery shouldn't start lightdm and default.target and all that
[15:42] <seb128> lightdm keeps restarting as far as I can tell
[15:43] <ogra_> seb128, hmm you dont create the firmware and modules mountpoints ?
[15:43] <ogra_> (why ?)
[15:43] <seb128> ogra_, is that needed and why?
[15:43] <seb128> because I don't understand why that's here
[15:43] <seb128> and it's undocumented
[15:43] <ogra_> to give your system access to modules and firmware files :)
[15:43] <seb128> so I try without and if it's needed I'm going to know why and document it
[15:43] <ogra_> that is where the initrd mounts them
[15:43] <ogra_> s/mounts/bind mounts/
[15:44] <seb128> so it's needed?
[15:44] <ogra_> if you plan to use any modules or firmware ... yes
[15:44] <ogra_> well, if you always only use system-image re-packed rootfses it will currently still work because the s-i server re-packs the whole rootfs just to add these three dirs
[15:45] <ogra_> but we are planning to drop that code from there
[15:45] <ogra_> this hook was in preparation of the droppage
[15:45] <seb128> oh ok
[15:45] <ogra_> so if you want it future proof, better create these two dirs too
[15:46] <seb128> I was going to say, livecd-rootfs copy things to those dirs
[15:46] <seb128> k
[15:46] <seb128> noted for the next upload, thanks
[15:46] <ogra_> no, it doesnt ... they are just nodes for mountpoints
[15:46] <ogra_> (firmware and modules come from the device tarball, separate from the rootfs)
[15:47] <seb128> ogra_, well, on the booted image those dirs exist and have content from the kernel image deb
[15:47] <ogra_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-system-image/ubuntu-system-image/server/view/head:/lib/systemimage/generators.py#L525
[15:47] <ogra_> thats the code in system-image the hook replaces
[15:47] <ogra_> (and which we will drop)
[15:48] <seb128> pitti, yeah, according to the journal lightdm does "Failed with result 'exit-code'" and it keeps retrying
[15:48] <seb128> ogra_, k, thanks
[15:51] <mvo_> seb128: could you do me a favour and reject my accidental golang-gettext from vivid-proposed. that was a mistake
[15:52] <seb128> mvo_, done
[15:52] <mvo_> ta
[15:53] <seb128> yw
[15:56] <ochosi> Laney: oh wow, installing 15.04 cleanly doesn't seem like much fun... (uefi and no wifi)
[15:56] <ochosi> and sry, i'll stop spamming you with this now
[15:56] <Laney> ochosi: I just got bcmwl on there manually
[15:57] <Laney> and it is installed in efi mode
[15:57] <ogra_> 15.04 isnt even usable on the old XPS13
[15:57] * ogra_ will actually do a reinstall of trusty on the weekend
[15:58] <ochosi> Laney: switching to legacy left me with: floppy, cd/dvd, usb and mini-sd as boot options...
[16:58] <seb128> Laney, can you retry desktop-next iso build?.
[16:58] <Laney> try using your powers?
[17:00] <seb128> Laney, where is the button?
[17:00] <seb128> I don't see any control on https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-desktop-next
[17:01] <ogra_> ssh nusakan :)
[17:01] <Laney> wrong and wrong
[17:01] <Laney> go to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com and log in
[17:01] <Laney> then go to "Wily daily"
[17:01] <Laney> tick the boxes next to the things you want to rebuild
[17:01] <ogra_> pfft
[17:02] <seb128> shrug
[17:02] <seb128> login fails "The name seb128 is already taken."
[17:02] <larsu> lol
[17:02] <Laney> haha
[17:02] <Laney> did it use sso?
[17:02] <larsu> other seb :D
[17:02] <seb128> "Have you forgotten your password?" points to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/user/password
[17:02] <seb128> which is "The resource you tried to access doesn't exist. This can happen because of an invalid link or because of a bug."
[17:02] <seb128> great
[17:02] <seb128> quality website
[17:03] <Laney> be charitable please
[17:03] <seb128> sorry ;-)
[17:03] <Laney> probably go ask stgraber, that is his product
[17:03] <seb128> can you click for me then? ;-)
[17:04] <Laney> fine, if you go ping him so that I don't have to keep doing this forever
[17:04] <Laney> probably good to see if doing it via this button works first anyway ...
[17:04] * Laney always did it over ssh before
[17:04] <seb128> Laney, done on -devel
[17:05] <Laney> thx
[17:05] <seb128> thank for pointing me to the website
[17:07] <Laney> didn't work anyway
[17:07] <Laney> #FAIL
[17:09] <seb128> :-/
[17:09] <seb128> stgraber is looking at my issue
[17:09] <seb128> it's better I'm older than the sso
[17:09] * seb128 dinosaur
[17:32] <Laney> :)
[17:32] <Laney> I retried it the old way for now
[17:34] <seb128> Laney, thanks
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2015-06-17-#xubuntu-devel
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[02:44] <Unit193> Debian #789007 talks about the panel? :D
[03:04] <bluesabre> that bug... that's the separator not being an expander
[03:05] <Unit193> bluesabre: Want to follow up on it?
[03:05] <bluesabre> yeah, suppose I will
[03:05] <Unit193> I followed up on one, though that's because I knew the fella on IRC.
[03:05] <bluesabre> :)
[03:05] <Unit193> Thanks a bunch, bluesabre!
[03:08] <bluesabre> micahg: was there anything else that needed to be done to get packages in the supported list in the xubuntu packageset?
[03:10] <micahg> bluesabre: me have time to debug the packageset script :(
[03:12] <bluesabre> micahg: I can poke Laney about it tomorrow, I think he's the one that generally runs the script anyway :)
[03:12] <micahg> he wanted me to get familiar with it
[03:12] <micahg> I think we'll need to adjust our seeds for at least a few thinsg
[03:13] <bluesabre> ok, let me know if there's anything I need to do in there if you don't have the time to adjust it yourself
[04:18] <bluesabre> ochosi: added a new branch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1437180 in case you want to start nudging people with it
[04:21] <bluesabre> and that's quite enough productivity for one night
[04:21] <bluesabre> nighty all
[04:23] <Unit193> G'night, bluesabre.
[04:26] <bluesabre> Unit193: I used a systemctl command for the first time :D
[04:26] <Unit193> Hah. :P
[04:26] <bluesabre> (didn't have a choice to test ubiquity in wily)
[04:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: Both ubot93 and swissbot are both systemd user units.
[04:30] <bluesabre> :)
[07:20] <knome> pleia2, wut?
[07:23] <dkessel> knome: <dkessel> the link from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings to http://xubuntu.org/team-calendar/ is a broken link. the target page does not work
[07:24] <knome> should work now, somebody changed it
[07:24] <knome> Xubuntu/Toolbox/Menu (last edited 2015-06-16 23:26:05 by bluesabre)
[07:26] <dkessel> oh great
[07:26] <knome> and sorry for overseeing that :)
[07:26] <dkessel> let's say you left me something to help with ;)
[07:26] <knome> hehe
[08:00] <knome> bbl ->
[09:49] <ochosi> late morning everyone
[10:39] <sorinb> hello ochosi
[11:11] <bluesabre> ochosi: early morning
[11:11] <bluesabre> see my ping?
[11:12] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[13:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: yes, saw your branch but was too busy throughout the day to do anything about it
[19:36] <dkessel> good evening krytarik
[19:36] <krytarik> dkessel: Howdy.
[20:39] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2015-June/038786.html :/
[20:41] <brainwash> I like it
[20:42] <Unit193> I do not, and it's a forced move. :/
[21:18] <Unit193> Hrm, looks like the timeout plugin got updated, but eyes didn't.
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"sorinb"
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-nl
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[07:50] <lordievader> Goede morgen.
[07:55] <SCHAAP137> môggeuh
[07:55] <lordievader> o/
[14:01] <vanschagen> hallo
[14:02] <lordievader> o/
[14:08] <jeroen__> hey
[14:08] <lordievader> o/
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ubuntu-chat
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"jeroen__",
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-us-mi
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[00:42] <greg-g> what's the name of that "irc replacement" service that all the startups use?
[00:45] <greg-g> Slack
[00:49] <jrwren> ugh.
[00:49] <jrwren> slack.
[00:50] <jrwren> it makes me angry just thinking about it
[00:54] <cmaloney> What's wrong with slack?
[00:54] <cmaloney> We looked at Hipchat for a bit. That looked interesting
[00:54] <cmaloney> but it was more of an IM replacement
[01:52] <rick_h_> dammit, everyone says to be careful rivets are all in and sure enough I screw up my first one by not having it pushed all the way in
[01:52] * rick_h_ puts on dunce cap
[01:54] <_stink_> we use hipchat at work
[01:54] <_stink_> it's fine. but i seriously don't get why any of them are better than any others
[01:54] <_stink_> or better than irc for that matter
[02:11] <cmaloney> Hipchat has 1 on 1 video chat
[02:11] <cmaloney> And hipchat has a decent web interface
[02:12] <cmaloney> and mobile. :)
[02:26] <_stink_> hey i can ssh from my phone
[02:26] <_stink_> that's mobile
[02:46] <cmaloney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRTqK_8q_dk
[02:46] <cmaloney> Alan Almond passed away.
[03:11] <jrwren> who?
[03:11] <jrwren> oh THAT guy
[14:36] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:37] <cmaloney> http://getspringseed.com/
[14:37] <cmaloney> I forgot I installed this until this morning when I realized my apt-get update was failing
[14:39] <jrwren> cmaloney: what was it?
[14:44] <cmaloney> It was a note-taking application
[14:44] <cmaloney> I've since moved on to Tagspaces.
[14:44] <cmaloney> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/06/springseed-2-0-linux-app-released
[14:46] <jrwren> screenshot looks pretty
[14:46] <jrwren> and I see: Springseed 2.0 is written in CoffeeScript, and uses Spine.JS and the Atom Shell framework.
[14:46] <jrwren> wow.
[14:52] * greg-g breathes
[14:54] <jrwren> good morning greg-g
[14:54] <jrwren> greg-g: how is your search system?
[14:54] <jrwren> greg-g: do you hate eleasticsearch yet?
[14:54] <greg-g> nah, that's fine
[14:55] <greg-g> other insanity
[14:55] <greg-g> this week just doesn't stop :)
[14:55] <jrwren> greg-g: will you publish your post hoc analysis
[15:03] <greg-g> jrwren: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incident_documentation/20150615-Elasticsearch
[15:04] <greg-g> there are only a couple tasks that are private: one with the specific queries that brought it down and... that might be it
[15:16] <jrwren> greg-g: you are the best1
[15:16] <jrwren> hey, I want the specific queries! I want to try it against my ES
[15:17] <greg-g> not yet, not until we at least protect ourselves from them ;)
[17:23] <cmaloney> heh
[17:32] <greg-g> jrwren: if you really want to test things against your ES that might do similar things: try to find known queries that used to bring down all of google search back in the day
[17:32] <greg-g> that's all I should say :)
[17:42] <cmaloney> +new +kids +on +the +block +tickets
[17:42] <cmaloney> *poof*
[17:42] <greg-g> lol
[17:47] <jrwren> did someone say NKOTB
[17:51] <greg-g> I had to search that acronym to get it
[17:51] * greg-g is both sad and happy about that
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.932281
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"cmaloney",
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2015-06-17-#ubuntu-pt
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[03:03] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[20:56] <astroo-> ola pessoal
[22:18] <astroo-> Canonical Patches Privilege Escalation Vulnerability in Ubuntu http://www.securityweek.com/canonical-patches-privilege-escalation-vulnerability-ubuntu
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.933376
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"authors": [
"astroo-"
],
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"channel": "#ubuntu-pt"
}
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-ir
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[08:35] <mamaj> hi
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.939057
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"authors": [
"mamaj"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/06/18/%23ubuntu-ir.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-ir"
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-se
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[11:29] <molgrum> någon som har någon aning om vad ettt hål i laptop som nästan är 3cm brett är till för? sd-kort?
[11:31] <einand> molgrum: pci exress?
[11:32] <molgrum> vill gärna kunna flasha mitt sd-kort på laptopen och det är en rätt ny laptop, ett år gammal kanske
[11:34] <molgrum> hmm vad kallas såna usb-donglar där man kan stoppa in sd-kort?
[11:35] <molgrum> kollar på kjell vad det kostar
[11:38] <molgrum> ah, verkar gå på en hundring
[11:38] <molgrum> vad innebär "micro" rent storleksmässigt, är det något man behöver en adapter till?
[11:39] <molgrum> på SD-kort
[11:39] <einand> molgrum: krävs adapter
[11:39] <molgrum> ah
[11:39] <einand> molgrum: men tror du har en sd korts läsare
[11:39] <molgrum> einand: för jag hittar kortläsare som stödjer micro
[11:39] <einand> okej
[11:40] <molgrum> så jag kan välja verkar det som :)
[11:40] <einand> alla stöder micro, med adaprer, är samma pinnar, fast mindre bara
[11:40] <molgrum> aha ok
[11:40] <molgrum> visste inte att alla stödjer micro
[11:40] <einand> bara du har adapter
[11:40] <einand> eller tja en plastgrunka
[11:40] <molgrum> just ja
[11:40] <einand> nu är jag i jävle
[11:40] <molgrum> jävla skit?
[11:40] <einand> luktar som det iaf
[11:40] <molgrum> haha
[16:04] <Philip5> Hund: jäklar vad jag är aktiv på swedroid nu.... är du inte typ kung där?!?! :D
[17:04] <Hund> haha
[17:05] <Hund> Philip5, Vad har du för telefon nu då?
[17:05] <Hund> Jag förmodar dig att du bytt bort din Hero vid det här laget.
[17:56] <madbear> i need a hero
[17:56] <Hund> madbear, Du har en kung här.
[17:56] <Hund> Enligt Philip5. :P
[17:57] <Philip5> Hund: nä men hero rockade på sin tid :)
[17:57] <Philip5> kör m9 nu
[17:57] <Hund> Ah
[17:58] <madbear> Hund: men du vill bli en människaaa?
[17:58] <madbear> jag vill ....
[17:58] <madbear> Philip5: hur gåre med fotandet då?
[17:59] <madbear> Philip5: funderar på fast 35mm till min dx, helt rätt va?
[17:59] <Philip5> madbear: jodå. har inte fotat så mycket sista veckorna bara
[18:00] <Philip5> 35an är trevlig
[18:00] <Philip5> inte riktigt lika bra som 50/f1.8 men mer passande bränvidd
[18:02] <Hund> madbear, Pfft
[18:02] <Hund> Och bli som Philip5?
[18:04] <madbear> ja Philip5 50 på DX blir backvarning
[18:04] <madbear> ska testa...
[18:07] <Philip5> madbear: nä 50an på dx är bra för porträtt men blir lätt trångt annars med den
[18:07] <madbear> precis, blir den otroligt billiga 35mm 1.8 dx
[18:07] <Philip5> jupp
[18:08] <Philip5> den har ibland lite problem med CA men är ok för priset
[18:13] <molgrum> hmm, har läst lite om att koppla in en S2:a i ubuntu, det verkar som man bara kommer åt sd-kortet men inte internal
[18:13] <molgrum> hoppas min musik ligger på kortet då
[18:15] <molgrum> (du får testa) :P
[19:41] <Philip5> Hund: har du sänkt hela swedroid nu?
[20:38] <Hund> Philip5, Med mina jedi mind tricks isf.
[20:38] <Hund> Jag har varit ute på en promenad.
[20:49] <Philip5> typiskt, och då kraschar världen
[20:51] <Hund> :D
[20:59] <Philip5> Hund: fick blåsa hela min lur för att fixa med en firmware update :(
[20:59] <Philip5> fick köra in en ruu
[21:05] <Hund> Vad har du nu lyckats med Philip5?
[21:05] <Hund> Jag måste fan ordna ljud på highlights. Jag missar dom jämt. :P
[21:06] <Philip5> har har inte s off på min lur så den är kinkig med firmware updates eftersom jag varit inne och moddat andra delar och rootat
[21:10] <Hund> Aha
[21:12] <Philip5> Hund: s off är ju inte gratis med htc one utan hackers har ju gjort en betalapp som ger s off för den som vill ha det. förr var sånt fritt och gratis
[21:12] <Philip5> sunshine appen
[21:16] <Hund> hahahahahahahahahahaha
[21:16] <Hund> What the actual fuck?
[21:16] <Hund> Driver du med?
[21:17] <Hund> mif
[21:17] <Hund> mig*
[21:17] <Hund> Dammitr
[21:17] <Hund> ...
[21:17] <Hund> Jag ger upp.
[21:17] <Philip5> vad?
[21:17] <Hund> Jag kan inte stava. :P
[21:18] <Philip5> och vad försökte du säga? ;)
[21:18] <Hund> haha
[21:18] <Hund> Men alltså, allvarligt.
[21:18] <Hund> Tar dom betalt för det?
[21:18] <Philip5> japp
[21:18] <Hund> Dom borde på allvar ha spö.
[21:18] <Hund> Snikna ungjävlar.
[21:18] <Hund> Kan gå tillbaka till sitt jävla Windows-läger.
[21:19] <Philip5> Hund: http://theroot.ninja/
[21:20] <Hund> 25 dollar!?
[21:20] <Philip5> yes
[21:20] <Hund> haha
[21:20] <Hund> Vilka nissar.
[21:20] <Philip5> man kan roota men s off gör att man kan modda firmware och man kan köra in andra roms
[21:21] <Philip5> så det är typ kernels och drivisar man inte kan modda utan s off
[21:21] <Hund> Ah
[21:21] <Hund> Vilka jävla rövare.
[21:21] <Philip5> sunshine har ju bakat in en del lurar på samma sätt som de tar betalt för
[21:22] <Hund> Det där kan inte vara tillåtet?
[21:22] <Philip5> vissa roms kräver ju beta-firmware och de kan man inte köra förrän firmware släpps som ota eller signerat om man inte har s off
[21:22] <Philip5> tillåtet vet jag inte. alla s off är väl exploits på ett eller annat sätt
[21:24] <Philip5> fast samsung vet jag inte om de använder s off-grejs för de har väl sitt knox men det kanske har s off som är googles låsningsdel av firmware-partitionen
[21:25] <Philip5> men som linuxsnubbe och commuity-tänket som jag tycker varit mycket på xda också så tycker jag sånt där är lite fult
[21:25] <Hund> Lite?
[21:25] <Philip5> mycket då
[21:26] <Philip5> tidigare så förlitade de sig på donationer men tyckte inte det räckte
[21:26] <Hund> Dom borde fan få sin telefon uppkörd i ögat och utdragen via örat.
[21:26] <Philip5> typ
[21:27] <Hund> Det är ju pga sådana som man tappar suget för Android.
[21:28] <Hund> Jag hade gärna sett en riktig Linux-telefon som är tillfredställande för en Linux-nörd.
[21:28] <Philip5> och sunshine är en tjänst och man betalar $25 för varje imei man har kopplat till sitt konto. så om du lämnar in luren på lagining och de byter moderkort eller något som ändrar imei så får man betala på nytt
[21:29] <Hund> Löjligt.
[21:29] <Philip5> jupp
[21:29] <Hund> Prova att highlighta mig nu.
[21:30] <Philip5> Hund: lathund
[21:30] <Hund> Wee
[21:30] <Hund> Nu har jag ljud. :P
[21:33] <Hund> http://wordables.com/test-answers-from-kids/
[21:35] <Philip5> mtp med android 5.x är ju det sämsta. varför kunde man inte köra med gammal hederlig storage
[21:35] <Hund> Jadu?
[21:36] <Hund> Jag är för lat för att koppla in telefonen.
[21:36] <Hund> Satte upp Syncthing på servern men nu är jag för lat för att använda det. :(
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.957094
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"Hund",
"Philip5",
"einand",
"madbear",
"molgrum"
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"channel": "#ubuntu-se"
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-ru
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[04:42] <badfin> всем привет, есть тут кто?
[07:26] <mardy> доброе утро
[07:27] <andrex> обеда
[23:13] <zcrbeer> Есть тут кто-нибудь?
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2024-05-13T22:11:34.964400
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"authors": [
"andrex",
"badfin",
"mardy",
"zcrbeer"
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"channel": "#ubuntu-ru"
}
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2015-06-18-#launchpad-dev
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[00:41] <blr> wgrant: can I render a value from services.config without setting the property on the view?
[00:42] <wgrant> blr: modules/lp.services.config/config in TALES will get you the current configuration.
[00:43] <blr> wgrant: ah excellent thanks
[02:36] <maozhou_> wgrant: do you kown how to delete a series on my test launchpad server?
[02:43] <maozhou_> Is there anynone knows how to delete a series?
[02:49] <maozhou> oh,the network is bad
[02:53] <maozhou> is there anyone knows how to delete the series?
[03:10] <wgrant> maozhou: It's not possible to delete a distroseries without complex DB surgery.
[03:13] <maozhou> ok
[03:15] <maozhou> and how to delete a builder ? It's not possible to delete a builder without modification of DB?
[03:19] <wgrant> no, builders can't be deleted, as they're referenced by builds that they have performed. when we decommission a builder, we unset "builder ok" and "publicly visible" to dispose of it.
[03:26] <maozhou> but sometimes the builder is not available, if we can't delete it, the list of builders will be more and more.
[03:40] <wgrant> maozhou: unchecking the "publicly visible" flag hides it from the list
[03:44] <maozhou> wgrant: that's a good idea
[03:54] <blr> wgrant: sorry, could you clarify what you mean by the view should have a _label_ of "configure code"
[03:55] <blr> did you mean a heading in the template? where your inline comment was placed it seemed like you were asking for an update to the docstring in the view class
[03:58] <blr> have added an h2 with context/name at any rate.
[04:01] <wgrant> blr: Ah, sorry, views have two special properties.
[04:01] <wgrant> page_title, and label.
[04:01] <blr> wgrant: added a .note class, does this look okay? http://i.imgur.com/J1N7L4g.png
[04:01] <blr> wgrant: ah I see, no need to have it in the template.
[04:02] <wgrant> blr: label appears as the h1 on the page, page_title in the breadrumbs in the head.
[04:02] <wgrant> Yep
[04:02] <wgrant> blr: That looks fine, yep.;
[04:30] <blr> wgrant: any thoughts on an appropriate name for the vcs inferring function if I push it into the model?
[04:31] <blr> inferred_vcs or default_vcs?
[04:35] <wgrant> blr: inferred_vcs makes sense to me.
[04:35] <blr> thanks
[04:35] <wgrant> blr: It won't be around for terribly long, I suspect, as we can fill in all existing rows once the UI to change it is in palce.
[04:36] <maozhou> I create a series which derives from "utopic", but I can't find arch of 386, why? like this : http://imgur.com/8wEriuZ
[04:38] <wgrant> maozhou: That architecture apparently doesn't exist in the previous series of that distribution.
[04:38] <wgrant> Only the first series in a distribution can copy from another distribution; subsequent series always copy from the previous series in the same distro.
[04:41] <maozhou> wgrant:It's the first series in a distribution, I have created a new distribution.
[04:43] <wgrant> maozhou: Are you sure that your version of utopic has i386?
[04:47] <maozhou> wgrant: Yes , I'm sure. like this: http://imgur.com/ytOFPQC
[04:50] <wgrant> maozhou: Is there an i386 checkbox on the new distribution's primary archive's admin page?
[04:53] <maozhou> wgrant: what's the URL of the new distribution's primary archive's admin page??
[04:54] <wgrant> maozhou: Like https://launchpad.dev/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+admin, except not ubuntu
[05:00] <blr> wgrant: should productseries-setbranch.pt be in code/templates?
[05:00] <wgrant> blr: I'd say so. It's on a Registry object, but it's a totally Code-specific view.
[05:00] <wgrant> Registry is quite big enough :)
[05:01] <blr> wgrant: ok, I'll take this opportunity to move it - I just cargoculted product-setbranch from that, so figured that was where it should live!
[05:01] <wgrant> blr: By no means an unreasonable assumption.
[05:04] <maozhou> wgrant: I can't find the i386 checkbox .http://imgur.com/NVI7ePR
[05:05] <wgrant> maozhou: It would be immediately below the bottom of that image.
[05:05] <wgrant> A checkbox for each architecture, if you're running modern code.
[05:05] <wgrant> Or potentially none, if you're running old code.
[05:10] <maozhou> wgrant:http://i.imgur.com/OXU5S1s.png . I still can't it ,may be I'm running old code.
[05:10] <wgrant> maozhou: Right, in that case it's not relevant.
[05:10] <wgrant> maozhou: I think I may know what the problem is, though.
[05:11] <wgrant> If you're running a largely unmodified development config, your batch navigator settings will be configured to use very small batches.
[05:11] <wgrant> +initseries assumes that all of the architectures will be returned in a single batch.
[05:12] <wgrant> (because all production-like systems have a default batch size of 75, far higher than the number of architectures)
[05:13] <wgrant> Try increasing config.launchpad.default_batch_size to 75 or so, restarting the application, and refreshing the page.
[05:18] <maozhou> wgrant: what's the "batch size" mean?
[05:19] <wgrant> maozhou: When a request is made for a potentially large collections of objects, only a fixed number are returned at a time. eg. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ only shows the first 75 bugs.
[05:20] <wgrant> maozhou: In the development config, the number is 5, not 75.
[05:21] <maozhou> I understand
[05:26] <maozhou> wgrant: how to increasing config.launchpad.default_batch_size? need I modify DB or code?
[05:27] <wgrant> maozhou: launchpad-lazr.conmf
[05:27] <wgrant> -m
[05:28] <maozhou> ok
[05:34] <maozhou> wgrant: I have increased config.launchpad.default_batch_size to 75 ,after running "make run_all" , I still can't find arch of i386.
[05:37] <wgrant> maozhou: Perhaps that was not the problem after all. Does https://launchpad.dev/api/devel/ubuntu/utopic/architectures list i386?
[05:38] <maozhou> But，I can find arch of i386 if the series is derives from other series， eg. 14.04 .....
[05:38] <wgrant> SELECT architecturetag, enabled FROM distroarchseries WHERE distroseries = (SELECT id FROM distroseries WHERE name = 'utopic' AND distribution = 1);
[05:43] <maozhou> wgrant: https://launchpad.dev/api/devel/ubuntu/utopic/architectures doesn't list i386.
[05:43] <wgrant> I suspect, then, that someone has set the disabled flag on it.
[05:43] <wgrant> The SQL statement will confirm.
[05:43] <maozhou> ok
[05:49] <maozhou> wgrant: You are right , arch of i386 has been disabled by someone, I recovered it , then I find the arch of i386. Thank you.
[05:49] <wgrant> Great.
[05:49] <wgrant> Disabling an architecture is meant to be permanent, so you may run into trouble. But it may be fine depending on when they did it.
[05:52] <maozhou> yes
[05:56] <maozhou> Only the first series in a distribution can copy from another distribution, Is it reasonable?
[06:01] <maozhou> If the first series is incomplete, we can't delete it, and the subsequent series can't copy from another distribution, that's in trouble
[06:06] <wgrant> Correct, you need to be careful and work out what you're going to do.
[06:06] <wgrant> Launchpad can only do so much automatically, due to file conflicts.
[06:07] <wgrant> Planning how a distro will operate before you start using it is absolutely essential.
[06:07] <wgrant> In some cases you may want to initialise it without any packages and copy the relevant packages in yourself.
[06:17] <maozhou> I understand.
[06:58] <maozhou> wgrant: If I have created new distribution and series. how to upload the chroot-xxx-.tar.bz2 to the series? I can only upload it to the series which belong to ubuntu.
[07:14] <wgrant> maozhou: manage-chroot defaults to Ubuntu, but you can tell it to use any distro.
[07:23] <maozhou> ok,thans
[07:23] <maozhou> thanks
[07:40] <maozhou> wgrant: I have created new distribution and series, and the series is initialized successful. But I can't find the series which belong to the new distribution. And upload thd chroot-xxx.tar.bz2 is error. http://imgur.com/zc8ijjW http://imgur.com/mAbPLux
[07:41] <wgrant> maozhou: You'll find the series if you click "All series". The distro page doesn't show series with status=Experimental by default; you probably want to set it to Development.
[07:41] <wgrant> The manage-chroot error is a permission problem.
[07:43] <wgrant> Specifically, you need to be either an admin or a member of the primary archive's owner team to manage its chroots.
[07:46] <maozhou> wgrant：but I can upload the chroot file to "ubuntu:utopic" successful in the same way
[07:47] <wgrant> maozhou: The user you're logged in as is probably a member of the team that owns your Ubuntu's primary archive.
[07:50] <maozhou> wgrant: how to add current user to the team that owns my distribution‘s archive？
[07:52] <wgrant> maozhou: The primary archive will be owned by the distribution's original owner.
[07:52] <wgrant> That may, in this case, be the ~name16 user.
[07:55] <maozhou> wgrant： but the current user is ~name16 （[email protected]）
[07:56] <wgrant> maozhou: What does https://launchpad.dev/api/devel/kylin2/+archive/primary say about the owner_link?
[08:11] <maozhou> wgrant : I'm sorry, there are something wrong with my notebook, it's panic just now , can you repeat it?
[08:12] <wgrant> 17:56:31 wgrant | maozhou: What does https://launchpad.dev/api/devel/kylin2/+archive/primary say about the owner_link?
[08:19] <maozhou> #wgrant: http://imgur.com/p8y9tsa
[08:21] <wgrant> maozhou: Mysterious. Are you sure your API client is authenticated as ~name16?
[08:27] <maozhou> wgrant: the user who login launchpad.dev is ~name16, http://imgur.com/CPel393
[08:28] <wgrant> maozhou: But manage-chroot uses an OAuth token, not your browser cookie directly. It depends who you were logged in as when you first ran an API client against launchpad.dev.
[08:29] <wgrant> You can run seahorse and delete the launchpad.dev entry to force it to reauthenticate.
[08:29] <maozhou> but how to authenticate my API client as ~name16?
[08:30] <wgrant> If there's no token in gnome-keyring (which seahorse manages), running manage-chroot will prompt you to use your browser to authorise the client again.
[08:30] <wgrant> It will authenticate as ~name16 if you authorise it from a browser logged in as ~name16.
[08:33] <maozhou> what's seahorse?
[08:35] <wgrant> maozhou: seahorse is the graphical GNOME Keyring manager.
[08:37] <maozhou> i understand
[08:48] <maozhou> wgrant: which passwd should I delete? It is "Password for 'System-wide: Ubuntu (kylin)@https://api.launchpad.dev/' on 'launchpadlib'" ?
[08:51] <wgrant> maozhou: That's the one.
[08:53] <maozhou> ok
[08:54] <cjwatson> maozhou: You said name16's e-mail address was [email protected]. Please change that (or, better, create a new user to add to the same teams and deactivate name16); that's the address you spammed a couple of months ago, and you said yesterday you were going to change the sampledata addresses.
[08:55] <cjwatson> maozhou: If you change the existing user's address, please do it manually with SQL so that LP doesn't send an address change notification to the old address.
[08:59] <maozhou> cjwatson: I'm sorry about that, I will modify DB about the mail addresses now.
[09:00] <maozhou> cjwatson: Which email addresses spammed you?
[09:14] <maozhou> cjwatson: I'm surprised about it , I haven't configured the email. The vaule of Mailer is stub in "devel/zcml/package-includes/mail-configure-normal.zcml"
[09:44] <cjwatson> maozhou: I don't know what was the source address, because I'm not behind [email protected]; it was reported by one of our sysadmins.
[13:52] <cjwatson> blr: Fixed your code-in-swift nit; can I take your comment as an Approve vote?
[13:52] <cjwatson> (and thanks)
[16:07] <cjwatson> wgrant,blr: I've tested self-imports from LP git to LP bzr, and they work fine now, both https:// and (should anyone so desire) git://.
[16:07] <cjwatson> So definitely no firewall problems there.
[16:36] * cjwatson creates https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/git-import-test to see what will happen
[16:41] <cjwatson> wgrant,blr: Oh dear, this plan may work for turnip but apparently not for Launchpad itself. http://launchpadlibrarian.net/209437153/cjwatson-launchpad-git-import-test.log
[16:43] <cjwatson> Maybe code-import-worker could bump its recursion depth, but I have no idea what it would need to bump it to
[17:05] <cjwatson> blr: code-in-swift is just the first pass, BTW; I've been looking through some other deployments and the wsgi-app charm, and working out how I want this to look. wsgi-app (although we can't use it directly because we have significant non-WSGI components) does something not a million miles away from what deployment-manager does, and I think we want the same kind of thing: [current_symlink, previous_symlink, build_label] config ...
[17:05] <cjwatson> ... entries, mojo spec looks at build_label and pushes a tarball for that rev into swift if it needs to, charm ensures that it has unpacked copies from swift of all the configured things and GCs old unused ones
[17:06] <cjwatson> To upgrade we juju set previous_symlink to current_symlink, build_label and current_symlink to the new rev, and mojo run --manifest manifest-upgrade
[17:07] <cjwatson> To rollback we mojo run --manifest manifest-rollback, which does juju set current_symlink=$previous_symlink
[17:07] <cjwatson> (and the rest)
[17:09] <cjwatson> And upgrades shouldn't have the scary thing of overwriting the running code in place any more
[17:10] <cjwatson> Anyway, I'm EOD and on leave tomorrow, so will pick this up on my back burner next week if I get time
[20:44] <blr> cjwatson: oh yes, of course :)
[20:45] <blr> cjwatson: that sounds like an excellent improvement
[20:52] <blr> hmm no comments on your issue yet wgrant, clearly you've put the fear in them.
[22:02] <blr> wgrant: hmm, does it make sense for ProductSeries to also have inferred_vcs? the context is of course now different in ProductSetBranchView
[22:03] <blr> I suspect I should just check for the existence of self.context.inferred_vcs in initial_values instead
[22:10] <blr> ah ForbiddenAttribute :|
[22:11] <blr> wgrant: how can I check for a property on a proxied object?
[22:26] <wgrant> cjwatson: The LP repo is packed with depth=200 IIRC. I'm tempted to fix dulwich to not recurse, though.
[22:27] <wgrant> blr: You need to add it to the interface (or configure.zcml manually, if that class names attributes directly rather than using its interfaces for security)
[22:30] <blr> wgrant: I think I want the latter, I'm not sure it makes sense for ProductSeries to have the property
[22:38] <wgrant> blr: Oh, I missed the first part of your question, sorry.
[22:39] <wgrant> blr: ProductSeries.vcs doesn't make sense, so you always want to find Product.inferred_vcs.
[22:39] <wgrant> blr: Consider always using self.context.pillar.inferred_vcs.
[22:39] <wgrant> .pillar is on a lot of Registry objects as a way to get to the Product or Distribution that contains the object.
[22:39] <wgrant> It even works on Product and Distribution themselves.
[22:40] <blr> ah wasn't aware of that, useful thanks
[23:12] <blr> wgrant: is it acceptable to call a private method from the view?
[23:13] <blr> (in this case Product._default_git_repository)
[23:15] <blr> well, a cachedprop.
[23:18] <wgrant> blr: Not usually. Why?
[23:18] <wgrant> If you want the default repo, I would define a property on the view that uses IGitRepositorySet
[23:19] <blr> wgrant: for the configure code link, which currently only checks for development_focus.branch
[23:21] <wgrant> blr: Ah, you misunderstood my recommendation.
[23:21] <blr> quite possibly!
[23:21] <wgrant> blr: The need for the check goes away if you fix it so the link isn't randomly different from the others.
[23:21] <wgrant> None of the others change based on whether a branch is set or not.
[23:21] <wgrant> s/a branch/the config/
[23:22] <wgrant> If we keep the check, it needs to be fixed to consider the Git case too.
[23:22] <wgrant> But I don't think we need to keep the check.
[23:22] <blr> wgrant: ah, so you're happy for it to just read 'configure code' in either case
[23:22] <blr> agreed, I don't think we're losing much by having a simple link
[23:23] <wgrant> We don't lose much, and we gain simplicity, performance and consistency.
[23:24] <blr> 'Configure code' and 'Configure code for this project' for text and summary work?
[23:27] <wgrant> Link summaries are silly, as they only appear as tooltips, but that works for consistency.
[23:31] <wgrant> cjwatson: I think your sampledata was out of date. Will testfix if you're not around.
[23:36] <wgrant> Have fixed the dulwich issue, trying an import locally now.
[23:38] <wgrant> Looks happy.
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[15:03] <dosaboy> marcoceppi: ping, any idea if the charmers mtg is happening?
[15:03] <marcoceppi> dosaboy: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcABu8wW2u1LNquOk-oKcgh4CBZn8q9eXvi8omabtwlcBmO6A
[15:03] <marcoceppi> just rying to get it set up
[15:03] <marcoceppi> jose: ^
[15:04] <jamespage> o/
[15:17] <marcoceppi> https://github.com/juju-solutions/review-queue
[15:37] <marcoceppi> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/04/15/using-the-services-framework-to-implement-your-charms-intent/
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-it
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[06:32] <glpiana> ola
[08:01] <domax> Esiste una distro Ubuntu-derivata (o altre) con TUTTE le usuali applicazioni (#Office etc.) in italiano?
[08:02] <Carlin0> domax, libreoffice ?
[08:02] <domax> Intendoi passare alcuni PC a Linux ma è mandatory che tutto sia in italiano. Anche Libreoffice.
[08:03] <Carlin0> in tutte le ditro libroffice è in italiano
[08:03] <Carlin0> ubuntu compresa
[08:04] <domax> Ciao Carlin0. Grazie per la risposta. Noi all'università della terza età abbiamo parecchi software standard su tutti i PC. Mi occorre una distro tutta in italiano.
[08:05] <domax> Per dire, il sw per i video, quello per le foto, quello per i .pdf, etc
[08:06] <akis24> domax ubuntu come altre distro ha il supporto in italiano completo come per i programmi presenti o installabile dai repo ufficiali
[08:06] <Carlin0> domax, ubuntu è tutta in italiano ed è quella che offre maggior supporto avendo una community molto espansa , inoltre è anche user friendly , quindi adatta a chi si avvicina al mondo linux
[08:08] <domax> E' che l'ho installata da un DVD di una rivista ed è tutta in inglese. Dove posso scaricare una ISO di questa Ubuntu tutta italiana?
[08:09] <sarovin> Buongiorno
[08:09] <Carlin0> !download
[08:09] <ubot-it> download is http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ o http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ o http://www.ubuntu-it.org/download
[08:09] <Carlin0> domax, in fase di installazione devi scegliere la lingua ...
[08:10] <domax> Buongiorno (scusate i niente saluti per la fretta). Grazie. Procedo seduta stante, poi magari vi faccio sapere... sì, ma è solo l'interfaccia e non garantisce che tutti i package siano italiani.
[08:11] <Carlin0> domax, tutti i pacchetti presenti nei repository hanno la traduzione , parliamo di oltre 16mila pacchetti software
[08:13] <domax> Sì, i package hanno la possibilità di installare l'italiano. Era per avere tutto e subito ;-) . Ma mi sa che devo fare una installazione "master", italianizzare tutto e clonarla sui vari HD.
[08:13] <Carlin0> domax, ti ho già detto ... <Carlin0> domax, in fase di installazione devi scegliere la lingua ...
[08:14] <akis24> domax vai sul menu delle impostazioni e clicca su " supporto lingue " e seleziona italiano e completa installazione lingua italiana avrai cosi tutto italiano .. visto che hai installato gia'
[08:14] <jester-> 'ngiorno
[08:15] <domax> Credo proprio di aver fatto così. Infatti tutte le scritte dei menù del window manager sono in italiano. Ma parecchi package hanno le scritte in inglese.
[08:15] <domax> Comunque riprovo.
[08:15] <akis24> domax quando selezioni " supporto lingue " nella finestra che si apre sposta " lingua italiana " al primo posto
[08:16] <domax> ci guardo...
[08:18] <akis24> domax segui qui http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/UbuntuItaliano
[08:21] <domax> Preciso: KUbuntu 15.04. Ho fatto Impostazini di sistema->Impostazioni regionali e ho scelto "Italiano". Ora guardo i vari software... ok.
[08:23] <Carlin0> domax, tra tutte le derivate ubuntu hai scelto quella che può dare + problemi , kubuntu 15.04 ha kde 5 che è un po immaturo
[08:24] <Carlin0> domax, se non vi necessita di avere un software aggiornatissimo ti consiglio la 14.04 che offre ben 5 anni di supporto a dispetto dei 9 mesi della 15.04
[08:26] <domax> Accidenti Carlin0, ve bene. Vedrò per la 14.04. Per ora, dopo la personalizzazione: Dolphin parla italiano, Firefox inglese...
[08:26] <Carlin0> 'nattimo
[08:28] <domax> effettivamente... Dragon Player italiano, Okular italiano...
[08:29] <domax> ... LibreOffice italiano... beh, direi che probabilmente ci siamo.
[08:30] <Carlin0> domax, scrivi in un terminale sudo apt install firefox-locale-it
[08:30] <Carlin0> e dopo riavvia firefox
[08:31] <domax> k, procedo...ma... apt-get ?
[08:31] <Carlin0> anche solo apt
[08:31] <domax> k
[08:36] <domax> C'era giò la localizzazione. Allora ho aperto Fiorefox e messo l'italiuan nelle Preferences ma continua ad avere i menù in inglese.
[08:37] <Carlin0> domax, devi chiuderlo e riaprirlo
[08:37] <Carlin0> lo stai usando per chattare
[08:39] <domax> la chat è sull'altro mio PC. Comunque l'ho chiuso e riaperto. Ho cancellato l'Inglese e Inglese-USA dalle Preferences, chiuso e riaperto: niente.
[08:40] <domax> Forse devo ripartire con una nuova sessione (riavvio il sistema) ?
[08:40] <Carlin0> cmq se scegli la lingua in fase di installazione tutti sti problemi non li hai
[08:40] <Carlin0> prova ...
[08:41] <domax> Ciùmbia, l'avevo scelta. Almeno mi sembra: tutti i menù del window manager sono sempre stati in italiano.
[08:42] <domax> Comunque se la 14.04 è più sicura rifaccio tutta l'installazione seguendo i vostri consigli. Per ora grazie mille a tutti.
[08:43] <Carlin0> domax, la 14.04 è meno aggiornata ma + stabile , ed ha supporto più lungo
[08:45] <domax> Ottimo Carlin0, ti ringrazio e procedo. Spero che si possa installargliela sopra (riscrivo la partizione ma... che ne sarà del boot che avevo messo nell'MBR?)?
[08:45] <Carlin0> domax, sovrascrivi anche quello
[08:45] <domax> Avevo anche una partizione Windows (orrore!)...
[08:46] <domax> ne terrà conto ancora?
[08:46] <Carlin0> anche io ho win su altra partizione , perchè buttarlo ? l'hai pagato
[08:46] <Carlin0> domax, quello che devi fare è formattare la partizione attuale di ubuntu
[08:47] <Carlin0> e poi assegnargliela a manina
[08:47] <domax> beh, l'ha pagato l'UNITRE (o magari no?! ;-) ) . Ok, come avevo fatto per la 15.04 . Tutto manuale, swap compresa.
[08:48] <Carlin0> se hai problemi il live cd permette di connettersi a internet , magari vieni qui e vedi se qualcuno ti segue
[08:48] <domax> Grazie, procedo a scaricare la 14.04 e ad installarla. Se necessario vi sompo ancora. A presto.
[08:49] <domax> ... rompo
[08:49] <Carlin0> domax, se abbiamo tempo ti aiutiamo altrimenti no :P
[08:49] <domax> ;-) ok, ok.
[09:09] <kopc> buon giorno a tutti ho dei problemi con ubuntu 14.04.1 64 bit su un toshiba satellite l655 del 2010 ora non mi fa piu installare lingua italiana e installare altri sistemi operativi
[09:10] <glpiana> kopc, l'installazione della lignua italiana e quella di un sistema operativo son due problemi ben diversi. sii più dettagliato
[09:10] <jester-> kopc: se non hai piu spazio libero sul disco logico che non ti fa installare altro
[09:17] <kopc> a vero forse ora vedo
[09:46] <leap> Ciao
[09:46] <leap> a tutti
[09:46] <glpiana> !ciao | leap
[09:46] <ubot-it> leap: Ciao! Benvenuto in #ubuntu-it
[09:46] <leap> volevo chiedervi visto che non ho sono riuscito a trovare molto
[09:47] <leap> la versione Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS (server) è vulnerabile al leap second del 30 giugno 2015?
[09:47] <ExPBoy> ?
[09:47] <jester-> leap: è scaduta da un secolo la 10.x
[09:47] <leap> per i sistem red hat vi è uno script che riferisce se il sistema è vulneranile o meno...
[09:48] <leap> mmm
[09:48] <jester-> leap: 10.x non è piu aggiornabile
[09:48] <ExPBoy> leap, chi è quel pazzo che va a scrivere un virus per linux?
[09:48] <Carlin0> jester-, forse la server aveva 5 anni mi pare
[09:48] <Carlin0> ha finito da poco
[09:48] <jester-> Carlin0: scaduta ad aprile comunque
[09:48] <Carlin0> si ...
[09:48] <leap> aprile 2015?
[09:49] <Carlin0> leap, nel migliore de casi si
[09:49] <jester-> leap: comunque ci sono un paio di pacchetti per monitorare il server a ricordarsi quali
[09:51] <jester-> leap: chkrootkit o rkhunter
[09:51] <leap> ma quindi secondo voi come potrei verificare se e come fixare la vulnerabilità?
[09:51] <jester-> leap: chkrootkit o rkhunter
[09:52] <leap> ma cmq non è un rootkin o virus
[09:52] <glpiana> leap, che danno pensi ti porti sto secondo?
[09:52] <jester-> leap: se ne frega dei virus
[09:52] <ExPBoy> se aggiorni regolare sei ok
[09:53] <leap> e ok...ma ora sono indietro..
[09:53] <leap> :-S
[09:53] <jester-> se non ti mandano un virus in formato .deb e lo installi il problema non esiste
[09:54] <ExPBoy> eh se non aggiorni non ci si può fare molto
[09:54] <ExPBoy> ma lo usi per fare cosa sto server?
[09:54] <glpiana> leap, nonho capito che problema pensi possa comportare al tuo sistema sto cambio di orario
[09:55] <ExPBoy> mha
[09:56] <leap> problemi a myssql e java che portano la cpu al 100%
[09:57] <glpiana> leap, su che base lo sostieni?
[09:59] <ExPBoy> come fa a portare la cpu al 100%?
[09:59] <glpiana> leap, vabbè. comuqnue, usi NTP su sto server?
[11:32] <Lore98> https://i.imgur.com/lqA3rZDh.jpg
[11:32] <Lore98> https://i.imgur.com/N4nClTzh.jpg
[11:33] <Lore98> https://i.imgur.com/U2tZt1ih.jpg
[11:33] <Lore98> Come risolvono?
[11:33] <Lore98> Risolvo*
[11:38] <Carlin0> Lore98, qual'è il problema ?
[11:38] <Lore98> Non mi fa accedere al.PC
[11:38] <Lore98> Colpa di questa schermata
[11:39] <glpiana> Lore98, nell'ultima schermata non leggo cosa c'è scritto nella linea evidenziata
[11:39] <Carlin0> veramente quello è il grub
[11:39] <Lore98> E come levo il GRUB?
[11:40] <Carlin0> Lore98, ma non si avvia ?
[11:40] <Lore98> No
[11:40] <Lore98> Nemmeno il PC
[11:40] <Lore98> È impalato su questa schermata
[11:41] <Lore98> Nel ultima schermata sopra.c'è solo scritto ubuntu
[11:42] <Carlin0> e appunto poi dovrebbe avviarsi
[11:42] <Lore98> Non si avvia
[11:43] <Lore98> Anche se provo a tenere Enter premuto lo stesso non parte
[11:45] <Lore98> Il fatto è che il boot di ubuntu è troppo veloce e non mi da il tempo per cambiare il disco di avvio
[11:45] <gigirock> tieni premuto shift durante il boot
[11:46] <Lore98> Provo
[11:47] <Lore98> Non funziona
[11:53] <glpiana> Lore98, la tastiera funziona?
[11:53] <Lore98> No
[11:53] <glpiana> Lore98, è usb?
[11:53] <Lore98> Wireless
[11:54] <glpiana> con ricevitore usb?
[11:54] <Lore98> Ho solo il mouse con il ricevitore USB
[11:54] <glpiana> Lore98, non hai una tastiera da collegare?
[11:54] <Lore98> No
[11:55] <Lore98> Pero col mouse non posso fare nnt?
[11:55] <glpiana> Lore98, no
[11:55] <glpiana> Lore98, hai una live di ubuntu? dvd o usb
[11:56] <Lore98> Live?
[11:56] <glpiana> Lore98, con cosa lo hai installato ubuntu?
[11:56] <Lore98> DVD
[11:56] <glpiana> Lore98, avvia con quello, scegli di provare ubuntu e poi segui la guida di ripristino di grub
[11:56] <glpiana> !grub | Lore98
[11:56] <ubot-it> Lore98: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/ | Per ripristinare Grub: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Grub/Ripristino
[11:56] <glpiana> se hai intoppi chiedi
[11:57] <glpiana> a dopo
[11:57] <Lore98> Non funziona
[11:57] <Lore98> Ho già provato
[11:57] <Lore98> È la tastiera il problema
[11:57] <Lore98> Forse...
[12:57] <kooldesktopenvir> Salve, ho appena installato Kubuntu 15.04 su un fisso Acer da 4GB di RAM. Purtroppo, muovendo le finestre, effettuando lo scrolling delle pagine web e vedendo i video YouTube ci sono spesso dei "lag"
[12:58] <kooldesktopenvir> Da cosa è dovuto? Sapete come risolvere? Grazie
[13:00] <kooldesktopenvir> C'è qualcuno?
[13:04] <elajiii> salve a tutti
[13:04] <kooldesktopenvir> Qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi?
[13:05] <kooldesktopenvir> Eppure con Ubuntu 15.04 (Unity) questo non succedeva...
[13:06] <elajiii> ho installato ubuntu 15 (e precedentemente anche lubuntu 14) ma continuo ad avere continui crash del sistema, con la schermata che si storpia e si vedere una serie sconnessa di quadrati
[13:06] <elajiii> a qualcuno è successo? grazie in anticipo
[13:08] <cristian_c> elajiii, su quale pc?
[13:08] <elajiii> ho un fisso
[13:08] <elajiii> quando apro firefox ad esempio mi va in crash
[13:09] <cristian_c> elajiii, descrivi le caratteristiche del pc
[13:09] <elajiii> come faccio a vederle?
[13:10] <cristian_c> elajiii, attualmente quale is stai utilizzando?
[13:11] <cristian_c> elajiii, l'hai comprato già assemblato?
[13:11] <elajiii> no è il computer dell'ufficio
[13:11] <elajiii> è stato assemblato da miei colleghi
[13:12] <elajiii> qualche anno prima
[13:12] <kooldesktopenvir> Il mio sistema Kubuntu 15.04 installato su un fisso Acer Veriton "lagga" (le finestre, i video, lo scrolling della pagina). Qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi? Grazie
[13:12] <elajiii> Memoria: 3,6 GiB
[13:13] <elajiii> Processore: AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1055 Processor x6
[13:13] <elajiii> Grafica: Gallium 0.4 on NV4C
[13:14] <elajiii> Tipo OS: 64 bit
[13:14] <elajiii> serve altro?
[13:14] <cristian_c> ok
[13:14] <cristian_c> kooldesktopenvir, posta anche tu le caratteristiche del pc
[13:15] <cristian_c> elajiii, 1055t?
[13:16] <cristian_c> elajiii, è una cpu del 2010
[13:16] <cristian_c> comunque, non scarsa
[13:17] <cristian_c> elajiii, puoi aprire un terminale?
[13:18] <elajiii> si
[13:18] <cristian_c> elajiii, digita: lshw -c video
[13:18] <cristian_c> !paste | elajiii
[13:18] <ubot-it> elajiii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[13:18] <elajiii> ok
[13:19] <elajiii> purtroppo non sto chattando dallo stesso computer
[13:19] <elajiii> esiste un modo per incollare la schermata?
[13:20] <cristian_c> elajiii, digita: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[13:21] <elajiii> fatto
[13:21] <cristian_c> elajiii, lshw -c video | pastebinit
[13:22] <elajiii> devo darli il link che è stato generato?
[13:22] <cristian_c> sì
[13:22] <elajiii> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11735337/
[13:23] <cristian_c> product: C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a]
[13:23] <cristian_c> configuration: driver=nouveau latency=0
[13:23] <cristian_c> !nouveau
[13:23] <ubot-it> Voce non trovata: 'nouveau'
[13:23] <cristian_c> !nvidia
[13:23] <ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/Nvidia
[13:23] <elajiii> scusa cristian_c cosa devo fare?
[13:24] <cristian_c> elajiii, sudo ubuntu-drivers devices | pastebinit
[13:25] <elajiii> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11735352/
[13:26] <cristian_c> driver : nvidia-304 - distro non-free recommended
[13:26] <cristian_c> elajiii, bene, proviamo con i driver proprietari nvidia
[13:26] <cristian_c> elajiii, sai come aprire Driver aggiuntivi?
[13:26] <elajiii> dalle impostazioni?
[13:26] <cristian_c> sì
[13:27] <cristian_c> elajiii, anzi, prima fai una cosa
[13:27] <cristian_c> elajiii, dpkg -l | grep nvidia | pastebinit
[13:28] <elajiii> il terminale mi ritorna
[13:29] <elajiii> "Si sta tentando di inviare un documento vuoto, in chiusura."
[13:29] <cristian_c> elajiii, dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[13:30] <elajiii> ok
[13:30] <elajiii> fatto
[13:31] <cristian_c> e....
[13:32] <elajiii> il terminale non mi ha restituito nessun messaggio
[13:32] <cristian_c> ok
[13:32] <cristian_c> elajiii, apri Driver aggiuntivi
[13:32] <elajiii> non trovo la voce dalle impostazioni di sistema
[13:32] <elajiii> ho ubuntu 15
[13:32] <elajiii> desktop
[13:35] <elajiii> come faccio?
[13:37] <elajiii> ok ci sono riuscito ad arrivare a driver aggiuntivi
[13:38] <cristian_c> ok
[13:38] <cristian_c> elajiii, posta schermata se puoi
[13:38] <cristian_c> elajiii, in ogni caso, seleziona nvidia-304 recommended
[13:41] <elajiii> sto inviando la schermata
[13:41] <cristian_c> !image
[13:41] <ubot-it> Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[13:42] <elajii> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/KE2Rk7WtRRqj4T9DVRWo
[13:42] <elajiii> ecco la screenshot
[13:42] <elajiii> cosa devo selezionare?
[13:43] <cristian_c> elajiii, scegli il primo
[13:43] <cristian_c> se hai notato, è selezionato il secondo
[13:43] <jacopo> ciao a tutti, vorrei installere skype ma non lo trovo nel software center... è li che devo cercarlo?
[13:43] <elajiii> si
[13:43] <elajiii> quale dovrei selezionare?
[13:44] <cristian_c> jacopo, sei poi riuscito?
[13:44] <jacopo> ciao cristian_c si tutto ok!! :)
[13:44] <cristian_c> elajiii, nvidia legacy binary driver - version 304.125 da nvidia-304
[13:44] <cristian_c> quindi il primo
[13:45] <elajiii> ok grazie
[13:45] <cristian_c> jacopo, come hai risolto?
[13:45] <cristian_c> !skype | jacopo
[13:45] <ubot-it> jacopo: Guida all'installazione di skype: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/InternetRete/Telefonia/Skype
[13:45] <elajiii> cristian_c, sta applicando le modifiche
[13:46] <cristian_c> elajiii, considera che googlando c'è chi ha segnalato problemi grafici con quella gpu e driver nouveau
[13:46] <cristian_c> quindi vediamo se con i proprietari si risolve
[13:46] <jacopo> grazie, no nulla su tv tutto ok, ora l'hdmi funziona perfettamente, c'è audio e l'unica cosa è che il pc quando è connesso alla tv ha lo schermo che sborda ma non mi interessa...
[13:46] <elajiii> perché ho provato a cambiare hd e ram
[13:46] <elajiii> ma niente
[13:46] <cristian_c> elajiii, a me sembra un problema grafico, ma vediamo
[13:47] <elajiii> provo a mettere sotto stress il sistema
[13:47] <elajiii> vediamo cosa accade
[13:47] <cristian_c> elajiii ma prima prova quanto suggerito
[13:47] <elajiii> conviene riavviare?
[13:47] <cristian_c> elajiii, li hai installati?
[13:48] <cristian_c> jacopo, ahhh, ora ricordo
[13:48] <elajiii> ho selezionato la voce che mi hai sugerito
[13:48] <elajiii> devo fare altro?
[13:48] <cristian_c> elajiii, se ha finito, riavvia il pc
[13:48] <cristian_c> dopo aver chiuso la finestra driver aggiuntivi
[13:48] <elajiii> ok procedo
[13:48] <elajiii> intanto ti ringrazio
[13:48] <jacopo> ;)
[13:49] <jacopo> cristian_c non trova skype nel software center
[13:49] <elajiii> se ti trovo qui tra 10 minuti ti faccio sapere cosa accade con i driver proprietari
[13:49] <cristian_c> jacopo, hai aperto il link alla pagina wiki?
[13:49] <jacopo> sono a 32bit e ho dato questo comando sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[13:49] <jacopo> sisi
[13:49] <cristian_c> elajiii, vedi cosa accade dopo il riavvio
[13:50] <cristian_c> jacopo, digita: uname -a
[13:50] <cristian_c> !paste | jacopo
[13:50] <ubot-it> jacopo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[13:50] <jacopo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11735449/
[13:51] <cristian_c> jacopo, non hai seguito bene
[13:51] <cristian_c> Utenti 64 bit
[13:51] <cristian_c> È necessario abilitare preventivamente il supporto per programmi a 32 bit per installare Skype, attraverso il comando
[13:51] <cristian_c> jacopo, ma tu hai il sistema a 32 bit, quindi non ti serve il comando
[13:52] <jacopo> ops, sorry è vero
[13:52] <jacopo> ho dato il comando
[13:52] <cristian_c> non ti serve
[13:52] <cristian_c> Installare il pacchetto skype presente nel repository Canonical partner.
[13:53] <cristian_c> jacopo, hai attivato i repository partner?
[13:53] <jacopo> no non credo, non so cosa siano
[13:54] <cristian_c> !repository | jacopo
[13:54] <ubot-it> jacopo: Guida ai repository: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Repository e http://help.ubuntu-it.org/8.04/ubuntu/add-applications/it/extra-repositories.html | Esempio di sources.list http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Repository/SourcesList | Da Kubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Repository/Kubuntu
[13:55] <cristian_c> jacopo, apri Software e aggiornamenti
[13:56] <jacopo> sta scaricando 160Mb
[13:56] <cristian_c> jacopo, più che altro devi aprire la finestra Software e aggiornamenti
[13:56] <cristian_c> non Aggiornamenti software
[13:57] <jacopo> okok apro
[13:57] <jacopo> ci sono
[13:58] <cristian_c> jacopo, se hai difficoltà, posta una schermata
[13:58] <cristian_c> !image | jacopo
[13:58] <ubot-it> jacopo: Carica un'immagine su https://imgur.com/ | http://imageshack.us/ (richiede registrazione) e metti un collegamento ad essa in canale.
[13:58] <cristian_c> jacopo, apri la scheda Altro software
[13:58] <jacopo> ok non credo di avere difficoltà per ora
[13:58] <jacopo> fatto
[13:58] <cristian_c> e seleziona Partner di Canonical
[13:58] <cristian_c> non importa che sia selezionato anche 'codice sorgente'
[13:59] <jacopo> ok fatto
[13:59] <cristian_c> una volta selezionato, Chiudi, ti verrà chiesto di aggiornare
[13:59] <jacopo> si sta aggiornando cache
[14:00] <cristian_c> jacopo, una volta fatto ciò , chiudi e apri il software center
[14:00] <cristian_c> cerca skype e installalo
[14:00] <jacopo> perfetto!
[18:42] <rusco96> ciao a tutti, ho un problema con il lettore cd, io inserisco il disco ma non lo trovo visualizato da nessuna parte e quindi non posso accedervi.. come posso fare?
[18:43] <akis24> rusco96: devi abilitare la gestione dei dispositivi rimovibili da menu delle impostazioni
[18:44] <rusco96> cioè
[18:45] <akis24> rusco96: che sistema usi ?
[18:45] <rusco96> linux
[18:47] <krabador> ehm... quale ?
[18:47] <akis24> rusco96: si tutte sono basate su linux .. ubuntu ? xubuntu ? lubuntu ?
[18:47] <rusco96> ubuntu
[18:47] <rusco96> la versione non la ricordo
[18:47] <rusco96> 10.4 mi pare
[18:48] <krabador> rusco96, se vuoi assistenza devi fornire informazioni precise. al minimo la versione di ubuntu o derivata ufficiale utilizzata.
[18:50] <akis24> rusco96: apri il terminale e dai lsb_release -d e scrivi qui che cosa leggi
[18:53] <rusco96> ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[18:55] <akis24> rusco96: io non la uso comunque prova dal menu > impostazioni > aspetto dovresti mettere la spunta su " dispositivi rimovibili "
[18:57] <akis24> rusco96: vedi se hai qualcosa di simile ,, http://prntscr.com/7iivnj
[18:59] <rusco96> niente del genere
[18:59] <rusco96> mi da solo la possibilità di cambiare sfondo regolazione schermo
[18:59] <rusco96> e qualche aspetto sul launcher
[19:00] <akis24> rusco96: e guarda sul menu su altre voci magari è messo altrove
[19:02] <rusco96> va bhe.. grazie o stesso
[19:02] <rusco96> non riesco cmq a trovare nulla
[19:03] <akis24> rusco96: apri il gestore dei file nautilus li dovresti averlo comunque
[19:04] <krabador> rusco96, c'è un'opzione di gsettings
[19:05] <krabador> rusco96, hai aperto nautilus, con il cd inserito?
[19:06] <rusco96> non ho ubuntu da molto
[19:06] <rusco96> come faccio ad aprire il gestore
[19:06] <rusco96> ??
[19:06] <cristian_c> rusco96, nella dash
[19:06] <krabador> ok che non ce l'hai da molto, ma non hai mai aperto files da cartelle ?
[19:06] <cristian_c> digita: nautilus
[19:06] <cristian_c> o files
[19:07] <krabador> c'è anche nella barra di lato
[19:07] <krabador> a forma di cassetto d'archivio ....
[19:07] <krabador> proprio per evitare che si cliccasse mentre si cercava di scrivere una lettera
[19:08] <rusco96> ah okei! si mi ritrovo le varie cartelle
[19:08] <rusco96> home scrivania video ecc ecc
[19:08] <krabador> rusco96, perfetto, di lato, metti il cd, e , se non è rovinato, o il lettore non è rovinato, e risulta leggibile, ti verrà montato in una delle voci a sinistra
[19:09] <rusco96> provo subito
[19:10] <rusco96> non mi esce prprio nulla!
[19:11] <akis24> rusco96: cambia disco e riprova
[19:11] <rusco96> gia fatto.. nulla!
[19:11] <krabador> rusco96, c'è sempre la possibilità non cosi' remota che il disco non venga letto
[19:11] <krabador> per come sta messo il lettore cd
[19:11] <krabador> o per come sta messo il cd
[19:11] <rusco96> ho provato anche con altri ma sempre con lo stesso risultto
[19:12] <rusco96> risultato
[19:12] <krabador> rusco96, se il lettore è andato , puoi fare anche la danza della pioggia
[19:12] <krabador> con tutti i sistemi
[19:12] <krabador> non cambia nulla.
[19:12] <rusco96> probabilmente allora è il lettore stesso
[19:12] <rusco96> aahahahahahah :)
[19:12] <rusco96> anche quella del sole nello stesso momento
[19:12] <krabador> esatto
[19:13] <rusco96> grazie per l'aiuto.
[19:13] <rusco96> saluti!
[21:53] <Radamel> Ciao
[21:54] <Radamel> una dritta?
[21:55] <Radamel> cè nessuno?
[21:56] <Radamel> hey
[21:58] <[Jano]> ubot-it:
[22:00] <cristian_c> Radamel,
[22:00] <cristian_c> !nessuno | Radamel
[22:00] <ubot-it> Radamel: se nessuno parla in canale non significa che non ci siano utenti attivi. Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno vorrà rispondervi lo farà
[22:00] <Radamel> dimmi
[22:32] <th34lch3m1st> ciao, c'è differenza se creo una immagine disco con dd su un file senza estensione o con estensione .iso o .img?
[22:35] <cristian_c> th34lch3m1st, credo che sia abbastanza ininfluente, generalmente
[22:36] <cristian_c> il tipo mime dovrebbe comunque essere riconosciuto, un po' come i file di testo
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.006967
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-es
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[03:50] <danes> buenas acabo de instalar ubuntu server en una laptop que no utilizo y lo pienso usar para conectar un hdd y hacerlo en nas. Mi problema es que la pc se va a standby cuando cierro la pantalla. No tengo el gui instalado por que pienso correrlo con ssh remotamente. Hay forma de evitar el standby desde la terminal?
[03:51] <ivedci89> danes:
[03:52] <danes> ivedci89: si?
[03:54] <danes> alguna idea? sin instalar el gui
[03:54] <ivedci89> yo en tu lugar iria por el camino siguiente, ver cómo se llama el programa que en una sesion grafica configura qué hacer al cerrar la tapa... para averiguar asi, qué archivos de configuracion toca.
[03:54] <ivedci89> si esto se complica mucho, investigo con ACPI o una aplicacion similar (recuerdo de una con un nombre similar a power) que puede configurar esas cosas.
[03:55] <ivedci89> si nada de esto me da resultado, entonces elimino el iman fisico que tiene el laptop
[03:55] <danes> jeje, tal vez lo mas sencillo sea lo del iman :)
[03:56] <ivedci89> mmm y si
[03:56] <danes> o de plano jamas cerrar la tapa
[03:56] <ivedci89> normalmente en la tapa hay un imancito que es detectado por un microrelay o algo asi en la base
[03:57] <danes> esa es buena idea
[03:57] <danes> o poner una plaquita de aluminio o cobre, creo que eso impide el campo magnetico pero puedo estar equivocado
[03:58] <ivedci89> nono... hierro
[03:58] <ivedci89> hierro dulce
[03:58] <ivedci89> chapita sisi
[03:59] <ivedci89> pero no... deberia ser bastante gruesa la chapita... asi que quita el iman...
[04:00] <ivedci89> espera...................
[04:01] <ivedci89> https://www.google.com.ar/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&safe=off&q=opciones+de+energia+desde+terminal
[04:05] <ivedci89> https://www.google.com.ar/?gws_rd=ssl#newwindow=1&safe=off&q=energia+cerrar+tapa+suspender+terminal+-microsoft+-windows
[04:16] <danes> Al cerrar la tapa del portátil, se ejecuta el archivo /etc/acpi/lid.sh.
[04:16] <danes> excelente, mil gracias
[04:16] <ivedci89> genial... por las dudas: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/power-closelid.html.es
[04:23] <ivedci89> :( no tengo ese archivo
[12:52] <Lopulus> hola que complemento me recomiendan para firefox para evitar la publicidad
[12:52] <guampa> adblock plus
[12:53] <Lopulus> gracias
[16:07] <userubuntu> hola
[16:08] <userubuntu> alguien conoce una forma de recuperar el grub despues de instalar win_
[16:21] <userubuntu> hola alguien sabe como recuperar el grub_
[16:21] <userubuntu> grub-install --recheck /dev/sda
[16:22] <userubuntu> Installing for i386-pc platform. device node not found
[22:39] <veritoo> Hola alguien que pueda ayudarme con una impresora
[22:44] <veritoo> hay alguien?
[22:50] <veritoo> Hola! :D
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2015-06-18-#juju
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[00:21] <bilal> Is there a way to use juju API or some file in juju node where I can get the IPs of all machines that are being used in the whole openstack deployment?
[05:39] <stub> marlinc: Juju lets you open ports and expose them to outside of the environment per service, which will use OpenStack security groups. Inside the environment however, you need to do your own firewalling. If you are writing your charms in Python, charmhelpers.contrib.ufw can help here.
[05:40] <stub> charmhelpers.contrib.network.ufw sorry.
[05:41] <stub> marlinc: I believe features are being worked on that will allow better control inside the environment, but I don't know what release is targetted.
[07:16] <ezobn> Hi all, Does the juju charms ready for deploying the DVR in the Openstack Kilo ? Can I use gre with them ? I use /juju-proposed repo for the juju...
[10:25] <ezobn> Hi all, Does the juju charms ready for deploying the DVR in the Openstack Kilo ? Can I use gre with them ? I use /juju-proposed repo for the juju...
[10:58] <Mmike> Hi, lads. I upgraded juju on my control node to 1.24 (from 1.23). Now I'd like to upgrade agent across all the deployed services, but one by one. Is that possible? I see that juju upgrade-juju doesn't accept service name....
[14:12] * Zetas waves to everyone
[14:42] <frankban> cory_fu: hi and thanks for the review on the redis charm. I updated it following your suggestions, could you please take another look when you have time?
[14:42] <cory_fu> frankban: Absolutely. I have RQ time slotted for today, so I will follow up on it in the next few hours.
[14:43] <frankban> cory_fu: thanks!
[14:43] <cory_fu> np
[14:57] <mbruzek> jose: Can you help me with an on-air charmers meeting?
[14:57] <mbruzek> jcastro: ping!
[14:57] <mbruzek> jcastro ^^
[15:00] <jcastro> mbruzek: yo
[15:01] <mbruzek> jcastro: I need an on-air meeting
[15:02] <jcastro> anyone can make one
[15:02] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts
[15:02] <jcastro> there's a "str a hangout on air" button
[15:02] <jcastro> mbruzek: is this a one off or a regular meeting?
[15:05] <mbruzek> jcastro: we got it sorted.
[15:06] <mbruzek> jcastro marcoceppi set up the meeting
[15:06] * jcastro nods
[15:17] <marcoceppi> https://github.com/juju-solutions/review-queue
[15:17] <mbruzek> The Review Queue repository, let us know if you have issues
[15:17] <mbruzek> ^^
[15:30] <ezobn> Hi all, do the last kilo OpenStack charms support the gre for dvr mode ? I use 1.24 juju-core with the latest available charms...
[15:37] <marcoceppi> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/04/15/using-the-services-framework-to-implement-your-charms-intent/
[16:06] <jamespage> lukasa, bird update for 14.04 just got released - is that good enough to avoid using the PPA?
[16:06] <lukasa> jamespage: *Possibly*, I promise nothing. ;)
[16:07] <lukasa> I'll check tomorrow
[16:08] <cholcombe> can i disable the sudo apt-get update everytime i run amulet?
[16:08] <cholcombe> or bundletester i mean
[16:16] <cholcombe> lazyPower: is there a limit on how long bundletester tests can take overall? I have 9 tests i think at this point
[17:28] <lazyPower> cholcombe: afaik just the standup side of the test.
[17:29] <cholcombe> ok
[17:29] <lazyPower> i think the tests themselves can be executed for any indeterminant amount of time
[17:29] <lazyPower> if that's not the case, we should probably get a bug filed against bundletester to make that tuneable
[17:41] <lazyPower> thumper: https://github.com/chuckbutler/DNS-Charm/releases/tag/v0.2.3
[17:43] <ezobn> does anybody know dhcp_agents in Kilo release of charms still installed by quantum ? or can like dvr installed by neutron-api/neutron-openvswitch charms ?
[17:44] <lazyPower> ezobn: i'm not sure what you're asking - can you clarify?
[17:47] <ezobn> lazyPower, I am trying to install Kilo Openstack using dvr option. So wondering do I still need the quantum charm ?
[17:47] <lazyPower> ah, i'm not goign to be much help i'm sorry. I would suggest you ping the mailing list with that question. Our OpenStack charming team is primarily UK based - and active on the ML as it helps them respond during their TZ operating hours.
[17:52] <ezobn> lazyPower, NP, just continue experimenting ;-) it is the only way to make sure ... :-)
[19:27] <bdx> hello, how is everyone??
[19:29] <bdx> I am trying to "juju deploy <charm> --to lxc:<machine id>" and am having no luck with my containers getting ip addresses allocated to my deployed containers
[19:29] <bdx> see here: https://github.com/Ubuntu-Solutions-Engineering/openstack-installer/issues/627
[19:30] <bdx> I am using non-maas dhcp/dns
[19:30] <bdx> everything works minus deploys to containers
[19:31] <bdx> could someone share some insight as to what extra steps may need be taken when deploying to containers using non-maas dhcp/dns???
[19:32] <bdx> anything would be useful
[19:32] <bdx> thanks
[19:34] <bdx> charmers, openstack-charmers: https://github.com/Ubuntu-Solutions-Engineering/openstack-installer/issues/627
[19:55] <bdx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1466629
[19:55] <mup> Bug #1466629: Containers fail to get ip when non-maas dhcp/dns is used <dhcp> <dns> <lxc> <maas> <openstack-installer> <openstack-provider> <ubuntu-engineering> <ubuntu-openstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466629>
[19:57] <mbruzek> jcastro: Juju Office Hours are where.
[19:57] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYdV8bIUC8y55qgI8K7oE749yUCVWW5CqvYM5fe32jcnc9G6qg?authuser=2&hl=en
[19:57] <jcastro> in here folks!
[19:58] <jcastro> marcoceppi: mbruzek ^^^
[19:58] <jcastro> lazyPower: ^
[20:02] <marcoceppi> thumper: https://design.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/logo-ubuntu_cof-orange-hex.png
[20:05] <jcastro> if anyone has any questions for the team, we're streaming on http://ubuntuonair.com
[20:52] <jcastro> https://jujucharms.com/docs/devel/reference-release-notes
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2015-06-18-#xubuntu
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[10:57] <unfeelingtable> hey, anybody know how to make an xfce panel duplicate on all monitors?
[12:43] <iri> I've just installed 15.04, but when I sign in I get a blank desktop and I have to start xterm manually from the VT and then xfce4-session manually from that xterm
[12:43] <iri> My ~/.xsession-errors contains "openConnection: connect: No such file or directory", "cannot connect to brltty at :0" and loads of "upstart: upstart-event-bridgge main process (pid) terminated with status 1" followed by "It's respawning too fast, stopped"
[12:43] <iri> I'm struggling to find relevant bugs
[12:44] <iri> It's a fresh install from blank
[12:45] <iri> also, every time I login by start xfce4-session in my blank xorg, I get prompted to authenticate for action org.freedesktop.accounts.change-own-user-data - does anyone know what that's about?
[12:53] <iri> non of the usual places I would look seem to have much in the way of useful diagnostics, dmesg looks clean, as does /var/log/syslog.
[12:53] <iri> When I logout, it gets stuck and I have to kill xorg
[14:51] <bigbarba> hi all
[14:51] <bigbarba> I'm having a strange problem with notifyd
[14:51] <bigbarba> is anyone up to listen and maybe suggest a solution?
[14:54] <bigbarba> again,
[14:54] <bigbarba> I'm having a strange problem with notifyd
[14:54] <bigbarba> is anyone up to listen and maybe suggest a solution?
[19:09] <xubuntu310> selam
[19:09] <xubuntu310> türkçe bilen var mı
[19:11] <drc> do we even have a factoid for Turkish?
[19:12] <bekks> !tr | drc
[19:12] <drc> we do! :)
[20:19] <choki> Does someone know when http://askubuntu.com/questions/635378/15-04-swap-wont-stay-decrypted-both-disk-and-home-directory-encrypted will be fixed? Also do I have to reinstall or can this be fixed with an update?
[20:25] <cinar> selam
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[05:04] <mapps> hi all;D
[05:35] <knightwise> heya mapps
[07:36] <MooDoo> morning
[07:42] <diplo> Morning
[07:43] <popey> f/78
[07:43] <popey> oof
[07:43] <popey> hello :)
[08:23] <davmor2> morning all
[08:24] <davmor2> bigcalm: you and your firm might want to have a look at this http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/06/serious-os-x-and-ios-flaws-let-hackers-steal-keychain-1password-contents/
[08:24] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:25] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[08:25] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[08:25] <brobostigon> morning davmor2 and MooDoo
[08:26] <davmor2> morning MooDoo me owld mucka
[08:26] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:26] <bigcalm> davmor2: ta
[08:52] <TwistedLucidity> XARA attack. Nice name.
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy International Picnic Day! 😃
[09:05] <zmoylan-pi> picnic... on a thursday... well that's well thought out...
[09:05] <zmoylan-pi> would be better as floating holiday. 3rd saturday of jun sort of thing
[09:05] <davmor2> JamesTait: again with the trying to make us eat cold vegetables
[09:06] * davmor2 is thinking JamesTait is on a diet or something with all this health food crap ;)
[09:06] <zmoylan-pi> nah, cheese is best. you can hike anywhere and drop it in lake, burn your rucksack, drop it, squash it and it might still be edible :-)
[09:08] * zmoylan-pi makes mental note to get some cheese for weekends gaming...
[09:09] <JamesTait> davmor2, sausage rolls, pork pies, cheese rolls - all veggies! 😉
[09:09] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, cheese is the way forward, I agree.
[09:09] <zmoylan-pi> well the cow the sausage roll was made from was a vegetarian so that counts, right? :-D
[09:11] <JamesTait> Definitely!
[09:14] <Myrtti> Dell onsite just called and they're coming between 11 and 12
[09:14] * zmoylan-pi starts taking bets
[09:15] <Myrtti> had to clear out a lot of plant repotting kit, soldering station, yarn scraps, discarded pieces of single core wire and resistors and sewing machine away
[09:15] <davmor2> Myrtti: wow so no phone call they are actually turning up
[09:15] <Myrtti> yeah
[09:15] <zmoylan-pi> optimism... raises the odds of them turning up... :-P
[09:15] <Myrtti> keeping in mind this is a refurb bought from eBay
[09:16] <Myrtti> so I'm surprised I got this far
[09:16] <Myrtti> although it seemed a very reputable refurb company
[09:16] <zmoylan-pi> maybe the original owner logged a ticket and now years later it's going to happen? :-)
[09:16] <Myrtti> the speakers worked fine before, so it's a new fault
[09:20] <Myrtti> OF COURSE it's doing a FULL BACKUP now.
[09:21] <Myrtti> sweet jebus
[09:21] <Myrtti> grrr
[09:54] <mapppps> :)
[09:56] <mapppps> Urgh why is ot always such a chore going to doctors or hospital
[09:57] <mapppps> Almost an hour after the time i was told!!
[09:57] <zmoylan-pi> because you're not well when you go there?
[09:58] <mapppps> I mean the waiting
[09:58] <mapppps> I waa told 11:10 local time
[09:58] <mapppps> Now 11:57
[09:58] <diplo> Because they allow 5~ mins per appointment and if each person before you takes 8mins~ it all adds up
[09:59] <diplo> Although I agree it sucks :/
[10:01] <Laney> scary massive bang on the window
[10:01] <Laney> forgot the window cleaner was here
[10:02] <mapppps> Almost an hour over
[10:02] <mapppps> Gah
[10:02] <mapppps> Am i ever going to be seen
[10:10] <foobarry> #firstworldproblems amazon delivery has been delivered to a neighbour 3 doors down. thats outside my usual talking range
[10:12] <mapppps> Hahaj
[10:13] <mapppps> I had like three parcels delivered to me by amaaon not fot me but s diff street luckily the guy came back and realises
[10:13] <mapppps> Realised when he still had my stuff :)
[10:18] <mapppps> If i left this and jist go to a&e in uk tomorrow surely theyd sort it for me ?
[10:22] <bashrc> foobarry: could you use a megaphone?
[10:24] <diplo> mapppps: at my docs, if you wait over 30 mins I think, you're supposed to go see the receptionist
[10:25] <foobarry> at the walk-in clinic at A&E i waited 4hrs will a swollen face and then went home
[10:26] <directhex> a&e works on a triage basis. you may wait a long time because an ambulance just brought in a person in multiple pieces
[10:26] <directhex> doctor's appointments... exactly as diplo said
[10:26] <directhex> it's frustrating as hell, but "efficiency" means keeping the pipeline stuffed, means booking in more people than can be seen in the time, to ensure the doctor is never sat twiddling their thumbs
[10:27] <directhex> "eliminating wastage" is what causes delays for appointments, by removing any kind of buffer to timing
[10:27] <foobarry> we have an urgent care centre now, its better
[10:27] <directhex> tl;dr: bloody tories
[10:27] <foobarry> if you aren't in pieces
[10:29] <mapps> yay all done
[10:30] <mapps> diplo she just cae out and said anyone waiting for dressing
[10:30] <mapps> took like 1min to have 3 stitches removed;p waited 1hr10
[10:30] <foobarry> ubuntu sysadmins..
[10:30] <mapps> so basically dont get hit over the head with a bottle
[10:30] <mapps> or expect a wait
[10:30] <foobarry> can i ask ubuntu to only auto install kernels with security updates ?
[10:31] <jpds> foobarry: Yep.
[10:31] <jpds> But there only really is a concept of a 'kernel upgrade'.
[10:31] <Myrtti> oh sweet jebus. android backup?
[10:32] <Myrtti> 5Gigs
[10:32] <foobarry> http://askubuntu.com/questions/194/how-can-i-install-just-security-updates-from-the-command-line
[10:32] <mapps> head has a bi old scab tho now;/
[10:34] <jpds> foobarry: You want: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic and /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
[10:34] <mapps> hopefully wont repeat this incident ..ever again
[10:35] <foobarry> thanks jpds looks like security only is already checked :_|
[10:35] <jpds> foobarry: Which is potentially a bad thing as things from -security move to -updates after a few hours.
[10:53] <kjvarley> My linux server is pinging 8.8.8.8 and I'm not sure why. Over 3000 sessions to it. Any ideas how I can find out what application is making the connections ?
[10:54] <foobarry> netstat -plant
[10:56] <foobarry> hmm, that doesn't register icmp
[10:56] <kjvarley> It's weird cos netstat isn't showing the sessions but the router is
[10:57] <foobarry> you sure it's pinging?
[10:57] <kjvarley> Well - 3000 sessions to 8.8.8.8
[10:57] <kjvarley> It keeps going up
[10:59] <foobarry> "sessions"
[10:59] <foobarry> are you sure its not dns requests?
[10:59] <foobarry> use tcpdump or iptraf to inspec teh traffic
[11:03] <popey> kjvarley: you're saying "pinging", do you really mean "ping" or do you mean "talking to"?
[11:03] <kjvarley> Sorry yes I mean talking to
[11:03] <kjvarley> I've just got IP Traf installed
[11:04] <popey> 8.8.8.8 is google dns
[11:04] <popey> if that's your dns server then expect this
[11:05] <kjvarley> How come it is doing so many DNS lookups? And why isn't it closing the sessions afterwards?
[11:05] <kjvarley> Seems to be doing about 1000 checks within a 5 minute period
[11:05] <kjvarley> How can I further diagnose this ?
[11:06] <foobarry> tcpdump host 8.8.8.8
[11:07] <foobarry> ugly way could be to start killing processes until tcpdump stops showing stuffs. (it may not stop if networkmanager is polling dns for some reason)
[11:07] <popey> kjvarley: what is running on the box?
[11:08] <kjvarley> foobarry: that shows nothing which is weird
[11:09] <kjvarley> foobarry: Oh okay, it's started showing now
[11:09] <kjvarley> popey: ZoneMinder CCTV box. But I have stopped zoneminder, apache2 and mysql
[11:10] <kjvarley> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11734866/
[11:11] <popey> is it looking up mail server dns records?
[11:11] <popey> is there a mailserver on that box?
[11:11] <popey> or is it sending a lot of mail
[11:15] <ujjain> I have a quesiton about hangovers and beer. Is it normal that your legs feel a bit less useful/strong next morning after beers? walking stairs sometimes crappy
[11:16] <ujjain> also, I want to make a claim of compensation to a money, where could I find a template/sample? google for which terms?
[11:16] <Myrtti> TURNS OUT, the left speaker wasn't plugged in to the mobo and it didn't even have the male terminal on it to click it to anywhere, just the two hanging wires.
[11:16] <popey> hah
[11:17] <popey> ujjain: compensation for what?
[11:17] <ujjain> ah, demand letter sample
[11:17] <popey> ah
[11:17] <Myrtti> and I could've sworn I've heard music in stereo before
[11:17] <ujjain> for my time, for my money for telephone hours, etc.
[11:17] <popey> good luck
[11:18] <ujjain> haha thanks
[11:22] <foobarry> ujjain: however if you hurt yourself when drunk, its probably your own fault :D
[11:22] <ujjain> hahaha :D
[11:22] <ujjain> I have been fine lately with drunk escapaes
[11:22] <ujjain> escapades
[11:35] <Myrtti> the onsite repair bloke was happy, I offered him coffee from our Angry Birds mugs and he said this was about the easiest gig he's had the whole week
[11:42] <TwistedLucidity> ujjain: I just made a basic one up myself.
[11:43] <TwistedLucidity> There's a few template about, but they're all terrible IMHO
[11:43] <ujjain> ah, I just finished mine, but if you could share some of yours
[11:43] <ujjain> I'm not an English native
[11:43] <ujjain> I just want to see if they are offering any compensation, I really spent too much time on it
[11:43] <ujjain> it* getting things right with this organisation, they ended up closing my bank account lol, without informing me, after many hours phone calls etc.
[11:44] <TwistedLucidity> Ah...compensation in that sense. OK, no. I have no file for that.
[11:44] <TwistedLucidity> I'd just create a simple table listing your costs and time.
[11:47] <ujjain> Yeah, but I called my phone company, they have no list of my phone calls, meh
[11:47] <ujjain> so my administration is pretty crappy anyway
[11:47] <ujjain> but I've written a letter, we'll see, I'm not going to have any expectations
[11:47] <ujjain> Last time I played on a casino, rented a car, did anything, I didn't expect the company to screw me for £1k, but still happened
[11:48] <ujjain> starting to dislike firefox, meh, performance sometimes really horrible
[11:58] <knightwise> hey everyone
[12:00] <TwistedLucidity> ujjain: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/39q6xt/some_useful_firefox_tips_to_fix_choppy_scrolling/
[12:01] <ujjain> sometimes it becomes unresponsive for a while these days, no way to find out which add-on, but add-ons seem even fine
[12:01] <Myrtti> sweet.
[12:20] <ujjain> hey, I want to postsomething on reddit and need english help
[12:20] <ujjain> Pilsner Urquell at the Vltava River in Prague http://i.imgur.com/mJDDfns.jpg
[12:21] <ujjain> is "at" the right word here?
[12:21] <ujjain> "near to" "next to"
[12:21] <ujjain> which preposition would be best
[12:23] <ujjain> maybe just Pilsner Urquell by the Vltava River in Prague, makes sense to me.
[12:23] <ujjain> prepositions are difficult.
[12:30] <TwistedLucidity> I'd use "beside". e.g. "Pilsner Urquell beside the Vltava River..."
[12:30] <TwistedLucidity> "next to" works as well
[12:41] <kjvarley> popey: You were right. The issue was with Nullmailer. This guide helped me fix it http://bigbrus.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/lots-of-dns-requests-from-ubuntu-1204.html Thanks for all your help :)
[12:41] <popey> sweet!
[13:22] <moreati> Request for a sanity check. On 15.04 please install silversearcher-ag; then run ag foo. Do you get the error "ERR: error in pthread_setaffinity_np(): Invalid argument"?
[13:23] <popey> (on 15.10 I don't)
[13:35] <ujjain> ah besides
[15:54] <ujjain> should positive balances be on my credit report?
[15:54] <ujjain> my lloyds shows as £0 for the last 15 months
[15:57] <moreati> FTR that error is peculiar to my laptop. Best guess is it's because I'm running kernel 4.1rc1
[15:57] <intrbiz> ujjain: credit report should just show how much you owe I think
[15:58] <ujjain> ah ok, I owe nothing, still nobody wants to give me a cc
[16:13] <popey> moreati: oh, likely yes. probably some kernel option we have in our kernels which aren't in the default kernel
[16:41] <moreati> The gory details https://github.com/ggreer/the_silver_searcher/issues/695
[16:42] <popey> out of interest, why that kernel?
[16:44] <moreati> It's a Macbook Pro (bad idea), I was getting unexplained freezes. They went away after I upgraded the kernel.
[16:56] <popey> ahhh
[16:56] <popey> reasonable
[17:49] <daftykins> telco support amuses me
[17:49] <daftykins> my client dropped his phone in the water again beside his boat
[17:49] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rgjgw5ilnensuq1/o2support.png?dl=0
[17:49] <daftykins> already mentioned this but then O2 support is like "dial this to tell us your IMEI"
[17:49] <daftykins> lul
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> oops
[17:51] <daftykins> he's now one dropped in water phone per boat trip!
[17:51] <daftykins> +t
[17:52] <daftykins> *+at
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> my brother had a drain unblocking business. for ages they took his word that a phone dropped in a cesspit was lost. but eventually they refused a replacement till he returned the 'damaged' phone. so he cleaned it off as best he could and returned it.
[17:54] <zmoylan-pi> after one stinky phone was returned they never questioned a loss again :-)
[17:54] <daftykins> XD
[17:57] <popey> hah
[19:22] * DJones wonders whether to report a bug against launchpad for spamming him with bug reports for a bug he didn't subscribe to, but because somebody marked it as a duplicate of a big he was interested in years ago, he now gets these bug emails
[19:22] <daftykins> :D
[19:23] <DJones> Even more frustrating is that the bug I was subscribed to was marked as closed
[19:36] <diddledan> DJones: I've got manymany emails from one particular bug that people keep insisting on commenting to say "it's still broke. fix it."
[19:37] <DJones> At least there's a link in the emails to unsubscribe ... thankfully
[20:14] <diddledan> lol "if anyone wants their vocons neuralised..." <-- love the linux voice guys
[21:35] <diddledan> so apparently people are upset that apple are using articles provided free of charge without paying for them: www.macrumors.com/2015/06/17/apple-news-publishers-opt-out
[21:35] <diddledan> my response is "you publish an rss feed but insist that nobody uses it?"
[21:38] <daftykins> whole lotta butthurt huh?
[21:38] <daftykins> that was a dead link for me btw o0
[21:38] <diddledan> if the publishers don't want apple using their data then perhaps the publisher should not publish it or at least not include it in a machine readable format
[21:44] <diddledan> oopsiedoodle
[21:44] <diddledan> bsod
[21:45] <diddledan> here's the correctified macrumors link: http://www.macrumors.com/2015/06/17/apple-news-publishers-email-opt-out/
[21:46] <diddledan> I missed -email
[21:46] <diddledan> it was handtopyed
[21:47] <daftykins> ty sir
[21:48] <daftykins> ah i love using this 'livestreamer' thing so i don't have to watch e.g. twitch feeds in horrible flash anymore ;D
[21:48] <daftykins> instead i can view it in the wonderful hardware accelerated player of my choice
[22:09] <diddledan> m0nkey_: having internet problems?
[22:10] <daftykins> seems so O_.
[22:14] <zmoylan-pi> ♪ you put the wifi in range ♫
[22:21] <diddledan> I say the next version of ubuntu should be free. Lets start a petition to FREE WILY.
[22:45] <diddledan> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/heinz-forced-to-apologise-after-qr-code-on-ketchup-bottle-linked-to-hardcore-porn-site-10327313.html
[22:55] <diddledan> WHEEEE
[22:55] <diddledan> netsplitftw!
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[00:00] <c0ne> gute frage ^^
[00:01] <c0ne> moment
[00:03] <c0ne> wie kann ich das herausfinden?
[00:04] <Rochvellon> bspw. im bios
[00:07] <Rochvellon> oder im terminal mit sudo lshw
[00:11] <c0ne> 1 GB 31 MB 397 KB 376 B
[00:12] <Rochvellon> jo, haste eig. freie auswahl. kannst ja beide desktops parallel installieren und schauen, was für dich besser läuft.
[00:13] <c0ne> andere frage
[00:13] <c0ne> habe momentan linux mint mit xfce installiert, merk ich einen untrschied wenn ich xubuntu installiere? oder soll ich das einfach mal probieren?
[00:15] <Rochvellon> sry, mit mint kenne ich mich nicht aus. kann jedoch durch eigene tests mit xfce unter manjaro und unter ubuntu, dass, zumindest von der laufzeit auf meinem x200, kein (wesentlicher) unterschied besteht
[06:15] <pog> moin, wenn ich im Firefox z.B. im Webmail bin, muss ich sekunden lang warten, bis sich der Cursor bewegt oder ich was machen kann. Ist das ein bekanntes Problem, dass Firefox seine eigenen Tastaturinpute irgendwie absorbiert und verzögert?? Ich hab das Problem vor allem unter Firefox. Anonsten sind die TP-Verzögerungen wie mir scheint "normal".
[06:16] <pog> auch ist die Maschine im ganz normalen BEreich, was Load anbetrifft.
[06:25] <pog> was zu sagen ist, dass ich eine absolut (mir unerklärlich) lausige Firefox Performance habe, mit ca. 25 Tabs auf einem "modernen" Rechner.
[06:26] <pog> woboi der Load für FF, wie ich jetzt grad sehe 100% ist (wohl ein Bug in Firfox).
[06:28] <musca> vermutlich liegt's an einem Plugin
[09:00] <noxs> guten morgen
[09:02] <noxs> ist es möglich - promiscous mode vermutlich vorausgesetzt - dass ich die hotel wlan verbindung von meinem laptop als weiteres wlan für andere geräte zur verfügung zu stellen und wenn ja wie?
[09:03] <noxs> wlan --> bluetooth und wlan --> lan habe ich gesehen, bringt mir aber nix
[09:04] <keksblub> afaik braucht man dafür in der tat zwei verschiedene netzwerkkarten
[09:05] <noxs> schade - als ich das letzte mal hier im hotel war, hatte ich einen anderen laptop mit windows dabei, mit einem kleinen tool hat das da tadellos funktioniert
[09:06] <noxs> und nen eth anschluss gibt's hier leider nicht! ;-)
[11:12] <LetoThe2nd> keksblub: probleme mit deiner verbindung?
[14:34] <isana30> hallo kann mir jemand sagen wie ich mit lftp auf einen ipv6 ftp server connecten kann? mein partner hat eine ipv6 box von unitymedia und auf einer nas einen ftpd rennen, über die ipv4 kann ich darauf nicht connecten ..
[14:40] <da_didi> lftp mal mit debug 9 gestartet und geschaut was passiert?
[14:42] <isana30> nein und das sagt mir auch gerade gar nichts
[14:42] <da_didi> mir auch nicht, aber die ausgabe hier sieht so aus als ob sie einem weiterhelfen könnte: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lftp/+bug/736479
[14:42] <kubine> da_didi: Title: Bug #736479 “lftp uses ipv6 addresses even when ipv6 is not avai...” : Bugs : lftp package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)
[14:43] <isana30> diese probleme das ich bei meinem bekannten nicht mehr auf den ftp server komme besteht seit die bei ihm eine umstellung auf native ipv6 gemacht haben und ich habe davon leider überhaupt keinen plan ..
[14:43] <isana30> mit ipv4 ging das alles wunderbar
[14:43] <da_didi> vielleicht musst du die ipv6-adresse nur richtig angeben, irgendwas [ipv6]:port
[14:43] <da_didi> das die klammern fehlen
[14:44] <da_didi> dafür braucht man aber eine fehlermeldung um das irgendwie einzugrenzen
[14:44] <isana30> ich habe schon verschiedene varianten des connectens probiert
[14:44] <isana30> ich kann auch seine ipv6 adresse nicht anpingen bzw. kommt da nichts zurück
[14:45] <isana30> ich weiss ja gar nicht ob der ftp server den er auf seiner synology nas rennen hat ipv6 fähig ist
[14:48] <jokrebel> client und server sollten natürlich schon v6-fähig sein.
[14:50] <isana30> das mit dem debug 9 war ein guter hinweis
[14:50] <isana30> also mein client (lftp) ist auf jeden fall ipv6 fähig
[14:52] <isana30> debug 9 findet sowohl eine ipv6 als auch eine ipv4 adresse
[14:54] <jokrebel> na dann muss das nur noch der Server, beide Provider und beide Router auch können ;-)
[14:54] <mgolisch> hm per default blockt der alles dieses kabel modem
[14:55] <mgolisch> glaub auch nicht das es ne richtige ipv6 firewall hat
[14:56] <mgolisch> mag mitlerweile besser sein mit neueren dingern aber bei mir kann man da eigentlich garnichts einstellen
[14:56] <isana30> immer dieser neue mist .. *grummel*
[14:57] <mgolisch> wenn du diese telefon plus option hast bekommst du ne fritzbox die hat ne einigermassen gute firewall wo man dann per host eigene ipv6 firewall regeln einstellen kann
[14:58] <isana30> also ich habe meinen lftp auf einer ubuntu box rennen die eine native ipv6 adresse hat .. sein router ist eine fb 6490 cable
[14:58] <mgolisch> isana30: kannst dich ja mal in entsprechenden foren informieren, dieses inoffizielle unitymedia forum ist eigentlich ganz gut
[14:58] <mgolisch> gibt bestimmt mehr leute die sowas in der art versuchen
[14:58] <isana30> dahinter hängt seine synology nas
[14:58] <isana30> auf der rennt der ftpd
[14:59] <isana30> denke mal das ist eine gute idee mgolisch
[14:59] <isana30> das problem werden ja mehrere leute haben
[14:59] <mgolisch> wie gesagt glaub mit der fritzbox geht das , die hat ne ipv6 firewall
[15:00] <mgolisch> weil ohne ist ziemlich doof wenn er einfach alles an deine netzwerk computer weiterleitet aus dem internet
[15:00] <da_didi> och
[15:00] <isana30> :)
[15:00] <da_didi> wobei ich sagen muss ich habe mir die firewallregeln an der fritzbox noch nie angeschaut
[15:01] <da_didi> "Es sind keine IPv6-Freigaben eingerichtet."
[15:01] <da_didi> naja
[15:32] <isana30> es funktioniert nun
[15:32] <isana30> die gegenseite traf geeignete maßnahmen :)
[15:37] <Ladz> Hallo zusammen, ich brauche bitte Hilfe, falls jemand Zeit hat. Meine Tastatur ist verstellt, z und y sind vertauscht, das at geht nicht mehr und noch mehrere Sonderzeichen dazu. Ich habe uber das Terminal geschaut, es ist die Deutsche eingestellt. Langsam verzweifle ich... LG
[15:39] <jokrebel> versuch mal ein "sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration"
[15:40] <Ladz> Das hatte ich schon... Ich versuche es nochmal.
[15:42] <Ladz> Das erste Fenster fragt mich, welche Tastatur ich habe, eine generische Pc Tastatur mit 105 Tasten hatte ich ausgewaehlt. Es ist eine alte lenovo Tastatur.
[15:44] <ppq> setxkbmap de
[15:56] <Ladz> Vielleicht habe ich die falsche Tastatur ausgewaehlt /Fragezeichen/
[16:00] <_moep_> Ladz: was steht denn in /etc/default/keyboard?
[16:04] <Ladz> Schoenen Abend noch zusammen
[16:04] <stevieh> das steht in /etc/default/keyboard?
[16:05] <_moep_> scheinbar
[16:06] <k1l> dann ist ja klar warum es nicht geht ;p
[17:01] <ubonn> Hallo zusammen
[17:02] <ubonn> Wie entferne ich in einer Text-Datei (CSV) alle Semikolons am Ende der Zeilen? Alle anderen Semikolons müssen erhalten bleiben. (ca. 2000 Zeilen, also möglichst nicht per Hand...)
[17:06] <sdx23> sed -i 's/;$//' test.csv
[17:06] <k1l> das schreit ja nach bash grep/sed/awk magic. aber da bin ich überfragt :)
[17:15] <ubonn> sdx23: danke!
[17:17] <sdx23> ubonn: :)
[17:47] <gramson> hallo zusammen ich schaue mir gerade "https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/SSD/Secure-Erase" an un frage mich ob die methode mit hdparm unter verwendung einer live-distr ala lubuntu klappen würde, und wie genau man "secure erase enhanced" statt "secure erase" damit benutzt, da bei ersterem wohl auch die "toten" cellen gewiped werden
[17:55] <gramson> niemand? :P
[17:57] <David1977> Muss ich rebooten nachdem ich die Datei /etc/environment editiert habe um $PATH zu ändern?
[18:00] <keksblub> only one way to find out
[18:01] <David1977> ja, sicher...;) aber vielleicht hätte es auch einen Befehl dafür gegeben um die Datei neu einzulesen ohne reboot
[18:02] <keksblub> soweit ich weiß reicht aus und wieder einloggen um sie neu einzulesen
[18:02] <keksblub> hat ja nur auswirkungen auf deine aktuelle session
[18:02] <keksblub> bzw deren prozesse
[18:03] <David1977> Ja, wollte das aber gerade vermeiden...aber gut. Dann werde ich es wohl so machen müssen. Danke ;)
[19:55] <Flecki1> hallo in die runde
[19:55] <Flecki1> bräuchte mal Hilfe
[19:56] <Flecki1> gibt es eine Firmware für skystar 2 Rev2
[19:56] <bekks> Bestimmt.
[19:56] <bekks> Aber was ist das eigentliche _Ubuntu_problem dabei?
[19:56] <Flecki1> leider nichts gefunden
[19:57] <bekks> Unterstreich mal das Ubuntu in deiner Frage bitte.
[19:57] <Flecki1> die karte wird mit lspci erkannt aber nicht geladen zmindest kann ich mit Kaffeine nicht nutzen
[19:58] <bekks> Flecki1: Zeig uns mal die Ausgabe von lspci und lsb_release -a, sowie cat/etc/issue in einem Pastebin, und gib uns die URL bitte.
[19:59] <Flecki1> darf ich fragen war um ich Ubuntu unterstreichen soll
[19:59] <Flecki1> ok mach ich
[20:02] <Flecki1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737180/
[20:02] <kubine> Flecki1: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[20:03] <Flecki1> ich muß noch sagen ich bin neuling mit Ubuntu bzw. linux
[20:03] <Flecki1> der befehl lsb_release-a und cat/etc/issue bekomme ich keine ausgabe
[20:04] <bekks> Der Befehl lautet "lsb_release -a"
[20:04] <bekks> und "cat /etc/issue".
[20:04] <bekks> So wie ich sie oben geschrieben habe.
[20:04] <Flecki1> ich hab aber ubuntu 14.04.02 installiert
[20:04] <Flecki1> 64bit
[20:05] <Flecki1> Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS \n \l
[20:05] <bekks> Ich möchte die Ausgaben in einem Pastebin sehen bitte.
[20:05] <Flecki1> ok
[20:06] <Robert_Zenz> Flecki1, spontan haette ich gesagt Media System selbst kompilieren: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TechniSat_SkyStar_2_TV_PCI_/_Sky2PC_PCI http://askubuntu.com/questions/487041/how-can-install-skystar-2-pci-dvb-on-ubuntu-14-04-x86-64
[20:06] <kubine> Robert_Zenz: Title: TechniSat SkyStar 2 TV PCI / Sky2PC PCI - LinuxTVWiki (at www.linuxtv.org)
[20:06] <Flecki1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737196/
[20:06] <kubine> Flecki1: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[20:06] <bekks> Flecki1: Und dann noch "dmesg" in einem Pastebin bitte.
[20:10] <Flecki1> die liste ist so lang das ich nicht alles angezeigt bekomme
[20:10] <Flecki1> geht doch ihrgend wie mit print oder so ?
[20:10] <bekks> dmesg | pastebinit
[20:12] <Flecki1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737219/
[20:12] <kubine> Flecki1: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[20:13] <Flecki1> kubine verstehe ich jetzt nicht ganz
[20:13] <bekks> Kubine ist ein Bot.
[20:13] <bekks> Flecki1: Es ist kein Treiber für deine Karte geladen.
[20:14] <Flecki1> so was dachte ich mir schon
[20:14] <bekks> Du dachtest eher an fehlende Firmware ;)
[20:14] <k1l> Flecki1: kannst du mal ein "lspci -v" in einen pastebin packen? das gibt ein bisschen mehr infos aus
[20:15] <Flecki1> ich hatte es mal mit sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree aber das war wohl nichts
[20:15] <bekks> Du hattest mal was damit?
[20:15] <k0tze> Nabend, wolltet gern schnell nen PHP Server local einrichten. Habe früher xampp benutzt? Ist das noch zeitgemäß? Sollte aufjeden Fall ein GUI haben..
[20:16] <bekks> xampp war noch nie zeitgemäß.
[20:16] <k1l> k0tze: nimm lieber die ubuntu pakete. xampp ist nen großer haufen probleme
[20:16] <k1l> !lamp > k0tze
[20:16] <Flecki1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737245/
[20:16] <kubine> k0tze: Informationen zu LAMP finden sich im Wiki unter http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/LAMP
[20:16] <kubine> Flecki1: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[20:17] <k0tze> schau ich mir an, besten Dank!
[20:18] <bekks> Flecki1: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TechniSat_SkyStar_2_TV_PCI_/_Sky2PC_PCI
[20:18] <kubine> bekks: Title: TechniSat SkyStar 2 TV PCI / Sky2PC PCI - LinuxTVWiki (at www.linuxtv.org)
[20:18] <bekks> Aber obacht, die Seite ist ziemlich alt, und du hast einen Flexicorp Cipsatz.
[20:19] <Flecki1> ok dann werde ich mal da durch arbeiten
[20:19] <k1l> Flecki1: guck mal ob dir die antwort hier hilft: http://askubuntu.com/questions/487041/how-can-install-skystar-2-pci-dvb-on-ubuntu-14-04-x86-64
[20:19] <kubine> k1l: Title: how can install SkyStar 2 PCI DVB on ubuntu 14.04 x86_64? - Ask Ubuntu (at askubuntu.com)
[20:19] <Flecki1> danke schon mal
[20:20] <k1l> siehe auch den hinweis in der antwort zu der antwort
[20:29] <Flecki1> k1l ok da gibt es ein Treiber denkst du das der mein Problem löst ?
[20:30] <k1l> ich denke, dass die antwort dort die karte ans laufen bringen könnte
[20:30] <Flecki1> ka:
[20:31] <Flecki1> kA ? bei windows wäre es eine exe und dann ja bei linux weis ich es nicht
[20:32] <bekks> Dann lies den verlinkten Artikel.
[20:33] <k1l> Flecki1: du kannst auch mit dem hersteller der karte reden ob sie dir nicht einfach ein paket für deine ubuntu version mit dem trieber bauen. aber wenn du glück hast bekommst du eine freundliche absage. wenn du kein glück hast wirst du einfach ignoriert.
[20:33] <Flecki1> im treiber ist eine cx24113_blob.o.x86-64 und skystar2rev2.8-v4ldvb.patch
[20:34] <k1l> also bleibt dir nichts anderes übrig als hardware zu kaufen die den service bietet, oder halt selber hand anlegen
[20:34] <bekks> Flecki1: Was meinst du mit "im Treiber ist"?
[20:34] <k1l> Flecki1: was ist das problem damit, die anleitung nachzugehen?
[20:35] <Flecki1> Treiber = SkyStar 2 Driver for LINUX / 1721.tar.bz2
[20:35] <bekks> Flecki1: Was du da erzählst ergibt keinerlei Sinn.
[20:35] <bekks> Folge einfach der Anleitung.
[20:36] <Flecki1> ja werde ich machen
[20:37] <Flecki1> es war nur der hinweis von k1l (22:20:06)
[20:38] <bekks> Was war nur der Hinweis...?
[20:38] <bekks> Kontext tut nicht weh.
[20:38] <Flecki1> "siehe auch den hinweis in der antwort zu der antwort"
[20:38] <bekks> Dann lies Dir den "Hinweis" doch durch?
[20:39] <Flecki1> und die Antwort führte mich zu der seite mit Linux treiber SkyStar 2 Driver for LINUX / 1721.tar.bz2
[20:39] <Flecki1> http://skystar-2.com/drivers-1721.tar.bz2.html
[20:39] <kubine> Flecki1: Title: SkyStar 2 Driver for LINUX - Linux drivers for SkyStar 2 (at skystar-2.com)
[20:40] <k1l> Flecki1: der link in der anleitung beim "wget" kommando ist veraltet, darauf weißt die antwort in der antwort hin. einfach unter dem neuen link runterladen und dann weiter machen mit der anleitung
[20:40] <Flecki1> ah ok
[20:40] <bekks> Nicht dass das da auch steht...
[22:07] <pau_> Kann mir jmd. erklären, wie ich bei XChat meinen Username ändern kann? In den Einstellungen finde ich diese EInstellung nirgendwo. Ich meine das vor dem @
[22:09] <k1l> /nick newnick
[22:09] <k1l> oder meinst du den ident?
[22:10] <k1l> das machst du in der serverliste unter benutzer
[22:10] <Lothenon> pau, schau mal in den server- bzw. netzwerkeinstellungen
[22:10] <k1l> *netzwerkliste heisst das korrekt
[22:13] <pau_> Ident
[22:14] <pau_> Aber in der Netzwerkliste steht es nicht. Also das sieht bei mir z.B. anders aus, als der Screenshot im Ubuntu-Wiki
[22:14] <pau_> Deswegen war ich auch ein bisschen verdutzt
[22:14] <k1l> nutzt du etwa "xchat-gnome"?
[22:15] <pau_> Ja. Liegt es daran?
[22:15] <k1l> ja
[22:15] <pau_> Welches wäre denn das richtige Paket?
[22:15] <Lothenon> nimm lieber hexchat, xchat wird nicht mehr weiterentwickelt und xchat-gnome ist iwie sehr komisch
[22:15] <k1l> schmeiss die runter und installier am besten direkt "hexchat" was das neue xchat ist. xchat wird nicht mehr aktualisiert
[22:16] <k1l> xchat-gnome ist kastriert, damit es die gnome richtlinien zu menüs und so einhält.
[22:17] <pau_> Aah, okay. Danke für die Info! :-)
[22:17] <pau_> Dann installiere ich mir mal Hexchat
[23:29] <leslay> Hallo, ich zweifeln gerade ob mein System überhaupt Linux tauglich ist. Es ist so, dass es ab und zu möglich ist mit einem zufälligen Kernel zu booten, allerdings immer nur begrenzte Zeit(2-3 Tage max.) Die Fehlermeldungen sind unterschiedlicher Natur "Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed", " watchdog detected hard lockup on cpu #2" oder auch "NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup-cpu#2 stuck for 23s!" ich denke da hilft nur ei
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[00:39] <CarlosNeyPastor> Señor magu42
[00:39] <CarlosNeyPastor> como le va?
[00:39] <magu42> bien y vos?
[00:39] <CarlosNeyPastor> hola a todas las personas presentes y a los Bot tambien
[00:39] <CarlosNeyPastor> bien, aca, programando en Java
[00:39] <CarlosNeyPastor> por ahi?
[00:39] <CarlosNeyPastor> que se cuenta?
[00:40] <magu42> webeando nomás , esperando comer algo jeje
[00:40] <CarlosNeyPastor> Copado, yo ayer mande Launchpad a lo loco
[00:40] <CarlosNeyPastor> jeje
[00:41] <magu42> que andas haciendo?
[00:41] <CarlosNeyPastor> te cuendo las novedades por privado
[20:01] <lia> barbanegra andate a la concha de tu hermana
[20:01] <barbanegra> que seas feliz
[20:02] <lia> barbanegra andate a la reconcha de tu hermana
[20:02] <barbanegra> que te hice para hablarme asi?
[20:02] <lia> sos un mal nacido
[20:02] <barbanegra> ta bueno me estas trolleando
[20:02] <barbanegra> Respete el CoC http://bit.ly/JPxBnN
[20:03] <barbanegra> si te hice algo malo, no se que puede ser, pero me gustaria enmendarlo si se puede de alguna forma
[20:03] <barbanegra> pero la verdad ni idea porque me insultas
[20:03] <lia> listo no te rompo mas las bolas barbanegra
[20:03] <lia> listo me voy
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2015-06-18-#juju-gui
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[14:45] <stokachu> jujucharms.com down?
[14:45] <rick_h_> stokachu: working here
[14:45] <stokachu> gives me a Proxy Error
[14:45] <rick_h_> stokachu: url you're hitting? or is this just / ?
[14:45] <stokachu> https://jujucharms.com/
[14:46] <rick_h_> stokachu: new site went up yesterday and dns was moved. Can you verify the dns you're resolving to?
[14:46] <stokachu> 162.213.33.121, 162.213.33.122
[14:46] <rick_h_> stokachu: hmm, ok
[14:47] <rick_h_> stokachu: can you hit https://api.jujucharms.com/v4/debug/status ?
[14:47] <stokachu> rick_h_: yea that works
[14:47] <stokachu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11735689/ thats from https://jujucharms.com
[14:47] <stokachu> 502 bad proxy error
[14:47] <rick_h_> yea, trying to see what's up.
[14:48] <rick_h_> uiteam can anyone duplicate? ^
[14:49] <jrwren> I cannot.
[14:49] <frankban> rick_h_: wfm
[14:49] <rick_h_> stokachu: will try to pull production logs
[14:50] <mhilton> rick_h: I've seen that before. The error is generated by apache when it gets a response it doesn't like from the downstream. Normally if it drops the connection wthout an HTTP response or something.
[14:50] <rick_h_> mhilton: yea, I'm just not sure why stokachu is getting the error and none of us are especially on the homepage
[14:50] <stokachu> i can try with firefox to see if that helps?
[14:51] <mhilton> rick_h_, unfortunately that I can't help with. I did see it yesterday while the DNS switch was happening, but not once it was alive.
[14:51] <rick_h_> stokachu: I wouldn't think so, but lookinginto it
[14:56] <rick_h_> stokachu: do other pages work for you? https://jujucharms.com/docs/stable/getting-started for instance?
[14:56] <stokachu> rick_h_: yea that works
[14:56] <stokachu> rick_h_: https://jujucharms.com/u/adam-stokes that doesn't
[14:57] <stokachu> https://jujucharms.com/community works
[14:57] <stokachu> https://demo.jujucharms.com/ works as well
[14:59] <rick_h_> stokachu: ok, I can't confirm that it's your hit but the only error they're seeing recently is a timeout from the app server hitting another service
[14:59] <rick_h_> stokachu: but that shouldn't be happening in https://jujucharms.com/u/adam-stokes for instance
[14:59] <rick_h_> stokachu: so looking into it
[14:59] <stokachu> rick_h_: ok
[14:59] <rick_h_> stokachu: can you file a bug please and we'll work with webops to get full logs and chase it down better please?
[15:00] <rick_h_> github.com/canonicalltd/jujucharms.com/issues
[15:00] <stokachu> rick_h_: sure another interesting bit is i just tried it on firefox
[15:00] <stokachu> and it works :\
[15:00] <rick_h_> stokachu: :/
[15:00] <stokachu> rick_h_: are you using chrome?
[15:00] <rick_h_> stokachu: yes
[15:00] <rick_h_> stokachu: chrome dev channel
[15:01] <stokachu> so im running google-chrome-stable 43.0.2357.125-1
[15:01] <rick_h_> stokachu: right, but getting a 500 is from the server end
[15:02] <rick_h_> stokachu: so that means that the server didn't like your request for some reason that we're working on
[15:02] <stokachu> ok
[15:02] <stokachu> rick_h_: i don't have much as far as debugging other than the proxy error do you just want that in the bug?
[15:02] <rick_h_> stokachu: just the urls that are erroring for you and we'll chase those in the logs
[15:02] <rick_h_> stokachu: make it easier to grep/identify your urls
[15:02] <stokachu> ok cool
[15:04] <stokachu> filed https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/jujucharms.com/issues/109
[15:05] <rick_h_> stokachu: ty, sorry for the trouble. We'll try to see why it's giving you grief
[15:08] <stokachu> rick_h_: thanks! charm store still works so it's not blocking anything
[15:09] <stokachu> via juju (not the browser)
[15:09] <rick_h_> :) yea seems something odd on the front end vs the apis/back end
[17:34] <bac> uiteam: canonical IRC server won't let me on until my nick times out. contact me here until then.
[17:37] <urulama> bac: you've left
[17:37] <bac> so i have!
[20:32] <arosales> is there a way in the charm store to only show trusty charms?
[20:32] * arosales thought there was a way
[20:34] <arosales> rick_h_, ^
[20:41] <arosales> but I don't see to see any why to just show trusty recommended charms.
[21:16] <rick_h_> arosales: https://jujucharms.com/store?series=trusty
[21:16] <rick_h_> arosales: we're working on a new UX that adds a top level 'series' drop down
[21:19] <arosales> rick_h_, thanks but is there a filter for recommended too?
[21:20] <rick_h_> arosales: that /store url already does that
[21:20] <rick_h_> arosales: /store is just the list of recommended charms/bundles
[21:22] <arosales> rick_h_, ah yes, https://jujucharms.com/store?series=trusty is all just recommended
[21:22] <arosales> rick_h_, on the flip slide any way to see all trusty charms (recommended and not recommended)
[21:25] <rick_h_> arosales: https://jujucharms.com/q/?series=trusty but that cuts off at 400, I think there's more
[21:25] <rick_h_> arosales: yea,https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/search?series=trusty shows 854
[21:25] <rick_h_> arosales: https://api.jujucharms.com/charmstore/v4/search?series=trusty&limit=1000 for the full list
[21:25] <rick_h_> arosales: the UX is meant more to be used by humans and I suggest the API for full metric-like pulling of data
[21:26] <arosales> aside from the api though these are URLs that I would have to ping in here to find, correct?
[21:26] <arosales> ie there is no UX workflow
[21:26] <rick_h_> arosales: no, we find that folks search with terms. We'll do the recommended filter by series in the upcoming search UI changes
[21:26] <rick_h_> but just 'show me all trusty' isn't somtehing that we've found most users do other than stats gathering and the API is better/faster for that
[21:27] <rick_h_> arosales: what are you looking for? Is this to give to someone? Or for reporting on growth or something?
[21:31] <arosales> rick_h_, this was feedback from IBM, specifically users of IBM Power looking for solutions
[21:31] <arosales> rick_h_, so one story is all trusty recommended charms work on power
[21:31] <arosales> another story is to tag charms /bundles with say "power"
[21:31] <rick_h_> arosales: ok, how do we know they work on power?
[21:32] <rick_h_> arosales: ok, searching for tags works out
[21:32] <arosales> rick_h_, in theory all trusty recommended charms should work on Power.
[21:32] <arosales> but I think the tag would be nice
[21:32] <rick_h_> so https://jujucharms.com/q/?tags=ops is all tagged ops
[21:32] <rick_h_> clicking on any tag or searching for a tag will filter that.
[21:33] <arosales> ya, I saw that which was nice and I may just go that route
[21:33] <arosales> and it sounds like you are going to have UX that folks can select "show mu just trusty charms"
[21:33] <rick_h_> we've just tried to keep the UI simple and only enable filtering/etc in small bits that make sense and show a 'result' to the user looking for something.
[21:34] <rick_h_> the broader "give me all X with Y ordred by Z" is more report generation and meant to be available via api calls and tools we do on top of that vs user facing UX
[21:35] <arosales> understood, and I think if we can solve the I am a user of power or arm, and I want to browse what solutions are available to me then we should be good
[21:35] * arosales doesn't want to complicate the UI
[21:35] <rick_h_> arosales: sorry, /me has to head off. If there's something you need though please don't hesitate to ask and can either give the feedback to luca whose making the final touches of the new search results or I can help pull together specific results for you
[21:35] <arosales> but I do want to server folks looking for a particular set of solutoins
[21:35] <arosales> *solutions
[21:36] <arosales> rick_h_, I think with tags and series sorting I should be ok
[21:36] <rick_h_> arosales: understand, there's a bit of a line in that 'report' vs 'find me'
[21:36] * rick_h_ is out
[21:36] <arosales> rick_h_, thanks
[21:36] <arosales> rick_h_, just be sure to give us series filtering :-)
[23:32] <stokachu> huwshimi: was it just session cache or something?
[23:32] <stokachu> hmm
[23:32] <stokachu> i can't login now
[23:33] <stokachu> so it redirects me to launchpad to login and then the redirect seems to hang on that proxy error
[23:33] <stokachu> so it still logs me in it seems and i can see the store page again
[23:33] <stokachu> strange
[23:34] <stokachu> lemme clear my cache out after logging out
[23:36] <huwshimi> stokachu: Yeah, it appears there is another issue there with the login, I've just filed a bug, we'll have investigate more.
[23:36] <stokachu> huwshimi: ok cool, at least the homepage shows up again after i reload the page
[23:36] <huwshimi> stokachu: My suspicion is that the two are not related, but I guess we'll see.
[23:36] <huwshimi> Nice.
[23:36] <stokachu> huwshimi: cool i updated the bug with what i found just in case
[23:36] <stokachu> i can file a new one if you like though
[23:37] <huwshimi> stokachu: Much appreciated, I've filed a bug for the login issue, so no need to do that.
[23:38] <stokachu> huwshimi: cool thanks for looking into it
[23:38] <huwshimi> stokachu: np, thanks for reporting!
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.085898
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2015-06-18-#kubuntu-se
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[14:00] <Flygisoft> Hej på dig Philip5
[14:01] <Philip5> Flygisoft: tjena
[14:03] <Philip5> Flygisoft: pysslar herrn med då?
[14:10] <Flygisoft> Philip5: lagar "mat"
[14:11] <Philip5> hämtpizza? ;)
[14:11] <Flygisoft> Själv då? :P
[14:11] <Flygisoft> Ne nudlar och några mackor :P
[14:11] <Philip5> håller på att försöka köra en OTA update på min htc m9
[14:11] <Flygisoft> Ah okej
[14:11] <Flygisoft> Körde in franko kernel på min One men oklart om det blev någon bättre batteritid, möjligen sämre?
[14:12] <Flygisoft> Oneplus vill säga
[14:12] <Philip5> men blev tvungen att byta tillbaka till standard bootloader för scriptet för OTA funkade inte med min recovery :)
[14:15] <Flygisoft> Jaha segt
[14:18] <Flygisoft> Philip5: Köpt några nya fotogrejer då?
[14:22] <Philip5> väntar på 2 paket från kina :)
[14:23] <Philip5> en lupp för fokus på storformatskamera och ett skynke att krypa under för fokus på storformatkamera :)
[14:25] <Flygisoft> Ah nice ;D
[14:26] <Flygisoft> Fotar du mycket med din storformatskamera?
[14:49] <Philip5> har inte riktigt kommit igång med den än mer än testat den
[14:49] <Philip5> saknar lite prylar för att det ska bli bra arbetsflöde... som luppen och så
[14:51] <Flygisoft> Ah okej
[15:04] <Flygisoft> Testade filma lite med min drönare idag, var riktigt roligt :)
[15:05] <Flygisoft> var lite jello effekt men inte mycket med tanke på att den är monterad utan någon dämpning så är ganska balanserad
[15:06] <Flygisoft> Philip5: Så blir nog att köpa en gimball till den sen
[15:14] <Philip5> sedan kommer NSA anlita dig för att spana på regionen ;)
[15:18] <Flygisoft> Haha :P
[15:20] <Philip5> fan vad drygt det ska vara med htc romgrejs för de är regions-begränsade
[15:20] <Philip5> så har man en nordisk lur så måste man ha firmare och bootfiler för nordisk
[15:20] <Philip5> och nordiska är ju så klart inte så vanliga som amerikanska eller övriga europas
[15:22] <Philip5> och det finns en hack för att göra den olåst men hackarna tar $25 för det och då gäller det bara en gång
[15:22] <Philip5> tycker det borde läcka så man kunde göra det gratis som man brukar kunna
[15:30] <Flygisoft> Ah ja just det
[15:30] <Flygisoft> Ja kan tänka mig att det är drygt
[15:31] <Flygisoft> Men om dom nu gör den olåst, måste du göra om det varje uppdatering eller vadå?
[15:44] <Philip5> nä ens konto är knutet till lurens serienummer
[15:45] <Philip5> så om man skickar in luren på service och de behöver byta något i den så är risken att man inte längre kan använda sin upplåsning
[15:46] <Flygisoft> Ah okej :/
[15:46] <Flygisoft> Det sög ju lite
[15:47] <Flygisoft> Philip5: Haha här har du 3d printing för mat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFViBh7a-Os
[15:49] <Philip5> så man kan printa sin pizza
[15:49] <Philip5> :P
[15:52] <Flygisoft> Vete fan hur det blir med brödet :P
[15:53] <Flygisoft> Ser ju ganska flytande ut det där
[15:54] <Philip5> såg du helikoptern i ditt klipp där?
[15:54] <Philip5> nästan som din drönare eller? ;)
[15:54] <Flygisoft> Ne har inte kollat hela klippet
[15:54] <Flygisoft> ska göra det :P
[15:54] <Philip5> är 8 min in
[15:56] <Flygisoft> Haha satan
[15:57] <Flygisoft> Undra varför dom tryckte dit så många motorer
[15:58] <Flygisoft> kanske inte orkar lyfta annars
[16:02] <Philip5> kanske är det som ska vara det smarta på något sätt
[16:03] <Flygisoft> Mjo
[18:13] <Flygisoft> Philip5: Problem med datorn?
[18:16] <Philip5> nä med mobilen så jag fick boota om till windows för att flytta över fil
[18:31] <Flygisoft> Ah okej
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.100897
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-bugs
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[19:27] <apostoj> Hello, I'd like to discuss a possible bug in the if-up.d upstart script.
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.101829
| 2015-06-18T00:00:00 |
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"authors": [
"apostoj"
],
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"channel": "#ubuntu-bugs"
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2015-06-18-#cloud-init
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[15:12] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja: Do you know what Sean means at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191081/3/zuul/layout.yaml?
[15:12] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja: I feel like I might be missing some OpenStack CI understanding.
[16:51] <harlowja> Odd_Bloke let me see
[16:52] <harlowja> Odd_Bloke seems like he wants u to put it in the post section (which runs after it merges)
[16:52] <harlowja> *which i don't think u want
[16:52] <harlowja> although i'm not sure why he says ' these jobs always succeed, or fail for unrelated reasons.'
[16:52] <Odd_Bloke> _Unless_ the normal coverage jobs don't fail at all.
[16:52] <Odd_Bloke> i.e. they only produce coverage reports
[16:53] <harlowja> so what he'd want is to change 'gate:' -> 'post:'
[16:53] <Odd_Bloke> (Whereas ours _do_ fail on low coverage)
[16:53] <harlowja> right
[16:53] <harlowja> i think u might have to explain him that
[16:53] <Odd_Bloke> Yep.
[16:53] <harlowja> ^ because the above isn't 'typical' for openstack
[16:53] <harlowja> most of the coverage just runs in post, and nobody ever looks at it, lol
[16:55] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja: Thanks for helping me understand where he was coming from. :)
[16:55] <harlowja> np
[16:56] * harlowja here to serve!
[16:56] <harlowja> ha
[16:59] <Odd_Bloke> sudo make me a sandwich
[17:01] * harlowja sticks finger in sandwich and gives it to u
[17:01] <harlowja> lol
[17:01] <harlowja> eat it if u want, lol
[17:02] <Odd_Bloke> I don't understand; is this a sandwich that you've stuck a finger in, or will I literally be eating a finger?
[17:04] <harlowja> hahah
[17:05] <harlowja> u decide
[17:12] <harlowja> stick one finger in a sandwich and then stick the other finger on it, then give it to u
[17:21] <Odd_Bloke> You only have two fingers? :p
[17:42] <harlowja> :-P
[18:25] <alexpilotti> smoser: morning!
[18:27] <alexpilotti> do you already have UEFI support in cirros by any chance?
[18:28] <smoser> no. would need grub2 and haven't looked.
[18:29] <alexpilotti> oki, guess I’ll stick with an ubuntu image for now
[18:37] <smoser> yeah. i'td take a bit of work probably.
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.107694
| 2015-06-18T00:00:00 |
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"alexpilotti",
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"channel": "#cloud-init"
}
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-nz
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[20:02] <ibeardslee> morning
[23:05] <olly> morning
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.108592
| 2015-06-18T00:00:00 |
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"authors": [
"ibeardslee",
"olly"
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"channel": "#ubuntu-nz"
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-meeting
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[15:00] <pitti> o/
[15:01] <barry> o/
[15:01] <sil2100> \o
[15:01] <infinity> I refuse to admit I'm awake.
[15:02] <robru> i arthur
[15:02] * slangasek waves
[15:03] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 18 15:03:22 2015 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti)
[15:03] <slangasek> doko jodh caribou robru bdmurray pitti barry cyphermox sil2100 slangasek stgraber infinity
[15:04] <slangasek> doko: hi, around?
[15:05] <pitti> is jodh even still officially in the team?
[15:05] <slangasek> hmm, and we have a change to this list since last time...
[15:05] <barry> slangasek: i think you need to update your shuf :)
[15:05] <slangasek> next time should be:
[15:06] <slangasek> echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti
[15:06] <slangasek> yep
[15:06] <slangasek> nd no caribou here today
[15:06] <slangasek> robru:
[15:07] <robru> one sec
[15:07] <robru> * CI Train:
[15:07] <robru> - added script for scanning overlay PPA versions and comparing to wily archive; ensure that matching version numbers have matching binary hashes
[15:07] <robru> * CI Train Charm:
[15:07] <robru> - stop clobbering creds with empty files if creds misconfigured
[15:07] <robru> - add relation for bileto
[15:07] <robru> * Bileto:
[15:07] <robru> - fixed some postgres-specific bugs
[15:07] <robru> * Bileto Charm:
[15:07] <robru> - add basenode support
[15:07] <robru> - add relation for ci-train
[15:07] <robru> * Train mojo Spec:
[15:07] <robru> - added relation between ci-train and bileto
[15:07] <robru> - various iterations on postgres configuration
[15:07] <robru> (done)
[15:08] <sil2100> robru the magician, charming with his mojo!
[15:08] <robru> heh
[15:09] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[15:09] <slangasek> robru: clobbering creds with empty files> I don't suppose that helps the postgres issues at all?
[15:10] <bdmurray> continued to work on improvements to apport-retrace to check launchpad for packages not available in archive or on ddebs.u.c
[15:10] <bdmurray> worked with pitti to get my apport use-lp branch merged (done!)
[15:10] <bdmurray> worked on hacking in ppa support to apport-retrace
[15:10] <bdmurray> pushed an apport branch (with a PPA hack) for the retracers to use
[15:10] <bdmurray> updated daisy config for armhf 15.04 retracers for overlay ppa
[15:10] <bdmurray> submitted RT to have daisy / apport updated in staging
[15:10] <robru> slangasek: no that's unrelated, that's on the ci-train side. #is doesn't have creds stored the same way we do in staging and so the charm was clobbering live creds with empty files.
[15:10] <bdmurray> investigation into the right way to add ppa support to apport
[15:10] <bdmurray> SRU verifications of python-pip bug fixing LP: #1324391 (fail, then pass)
[15:10] <bdmurray> discussed with mvo python-apt origin information and PPAs
[15:10] <bdmurray> discussion with slangasek regarding overlay-ppa and old packages
[15:10] <bdmurray> investigation into a phased-updater OOPS
[15:10] <bdmurray> short week as I was in Rochester!
[15:10] * doko is a bit late ...
[15:10] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:11] <slangasek> doko: hi, your turn
[15:11] <sil2100> slangasek: that thing was probably related to the train outage we had on Friday when the cred files went missing
[15:11] <slangasek> ok
[15:12] <doko> five me 5min
[15:12] <slangasek> alright then. pitti:
[15:12] <pitti> systemd:
[15:12] <pitti> - create script to build debs for current systemd upstream trunk (into PPA, and running all autopkgtests locally), for a more proper trunk CI
[15:12] <pitti> - fix various build system and udev regressions in trunk
[15:12] <pitti> - enable net.ifnames persistant network names by default
[15:12] <pitti> autopkgtest:
[15:12] <pitti> - set up ProdStack/Canonistack with IS for cloud-based autopkgtest running, and create autopkgtest cloud runner PoC
[15:12] <pitti> - various small improvements to adt-run
[15:12] <pitti> - revive armhf/ppc64el worker nodes after outage
[15:12] <pitti> misc:
[15:12] <pitti> - review and land bdmurray's apport branch for downloading older sources/debs from LP
[15:12] <pitti> - build and test fresh vivid langpacks
[15:12] <pitti> - postgresql: prepare new upstream security/bug fix releases for all supported Ubuntu releases
[15:12] <pitti> - reproduce and analyze misconfigured/broken encrypted swap in LVM install mode (#1453738); in progress
[15:12] <pitti> - various bug fixes in open-scsi, udisks
[15:12] <pitti> plan:
[15:12] <pitti> - systemd 221 is around the corner; unlike the previous two versions this should now be a breeze to land thanks to all the new CI
[15:12] <pitti> - continue working on cloud-based autopkgtest runner
[15:12] <pitti> - find some time to look into networkd integration with resolvconf and ifup.d/
[15:12] <pitti> ^D
[15:13] <barry> doko or me?
[15:13] <slangasek> barry: go ahead, it hasn't been 5 minutes yet :)
[15:13] <pitti> barry: 5 mins aren't over yet
[15:13] <barry> sounds like a monty python sketch...
[15:13] <barry> short week due to pto
[15:13] <barry> debuntu: debian bug #776026; python-nose-exclude 0.2.0-4; zope.security 4.0.3-1; virtualenv 13.0.3-1 (ongoing), wheel 0.24.0-2; python-pip 1.5.4-1ubuntu3 for trusty;
[15:13] <barry> si: 2.5.1 to the overlay; struggling with landing 3.0.1 in wily via train (and getting derailed)
[15:14] <barry> started working on the python3.5 transition plan
[15:14] <barry> other: upgrade bisecting and other debugging for LP: #1464365
[15:14] <barry> --done--
[15:14] <doko> - openjdk-9 fixes for ppc64el and arm64
[15:14] <doko> - updated GCC 5 transition plan
[15:14] <doko> - openjdk maintainer interviews
[15:14] <doko> - preparing uploads for gcc 4.8, 4.9 and 5.x release candidates
[15:14] <doko> - started doing some merges
[15:14] <doko> - finally gcc-4.8 and binutils SRU's in trusty, uploaded cross packages
[15:14] <doko> - uploaded python3.4 SRU's
[15:14] <doko> (done)
[15:15] <sil2100> cyphermox: ping
[15:15] <cyphermox> sil2100: I'm on vacation, not actually there :)
[15:15] <slangasek> cyphermox is still on vacation
[15:15] <sil2100> Ah, ok :)
[15:15] <slangasek> sil2100:
[15:15] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:15] <sil2100> - Prepare OTA-4 release notes
[15:15] <sil2100> - OTA-4 release:
[15:15] <sil2100> * Copying images and setting auto-phasing for the period of approx one day
[15:15] <sil2100> * Preparing community OTA-4 images, promoting those after basic QA
[15:15] <sil2100> * Promoting ubuntu-developer images
[15:15] <sil2100> * Preparing non-delta images for arale
[15:15] <sil2100> - Identifying the system-image situation, preparing landing
[15:15] <sil2100> - Leading the RTM status meeting
[15:15] <sil2100> - Updating documentation regarding package twins
[15:15] <sil2100> - Further work on commitlog generation
[15:15] <sil2100> - Coordinating the Unity8 big landing
[15:15] <sil2100> - Lack of sleep and overall tiredness for the whole week
[15:16] <sil2100> Holiday tomorrow (Friday the 19th)
[15:16] <sil2100> (done)
[15:16] <infinity> Do you celebrate every Friday the 19th?
[15:17] <slangasek> it's a very famous movie in Poland
[15:17] <infinity> slangasek: (you're up)
[15:18] <slangasek> * helping unblock the libnettle transition; found blockage due to a mir-related API change that was causing gst-plugins-bad1.0 to FTBFS as of vivid release, working to unwind that through bug #1465958, now waiting for a platform-api landing
[15:18] <slangasek> * post mortem for the various issues we've run into over the past two months with the overlay ppa not being as featureful as the derived distribution out of the box
[15:18] <slangasek> * closing in on a decision for the Java maintainer role
[15:18] <slangasek> * new job opening in the process of being posted, should be visible tomorrow
[15:18] <slangasek> (I know)
[15:18] <slangasek> (done)
[15:18] <slangasek> stgraber:
[15:18] <stgraber> - Was out on Friday. Now back in Montreal.
[15:18] <stgraber> - LXC/LXD
[15:18] <stgraber> - Working on LXD socket activation systemd units.
[15:18] <stgraber> - Made a first version of the LXD snap.
[15:18] <stgraber> - Working on the CI infrastructure for LXC-related projects a bit.
[15:18] <stgraber> - Spent quite a lot of time debugging a weird race condition in LXD.
[15:18] <stgraber> - Code reviews, bug triaging, other admin paperwork
[15:18] <stgraber> - Alpha-1
[15:18] <stgraber> - Some prepwork for alpha-1, mostly sorting out nusakan <-> tracker issues
[15:18] <stgraber> (done)
[15:18] <infinity> - Dealing with several transitions in wily
[15:18] <infinity> - Not one, but *two* emergency kernel security updates
[15:18] <infinity> - Fixed kernel autopkgtesting
[15:18] <infinity> - General AA/SRU stuff
[15:18] <infinity> - Looking into kernel changes we might need to build armhf on arm64
[15:19] <infinity> - Sobbing uncontrollably over the loss of mvo
[15:19] <infinity> - Mitigating the above with the 'yay pitti' happy dance
[15:19] <infinity> - debian-installer and HWE work
[15:19] <infinity> (done)
[15:19] <stgraber> :)
[15:19] <pitti> ♩ \o/ ♫ ♪
[15:19] <slangasek> infinity: that's to the tune of 'hey mickey', right?
[15:19] <barry> infinity: where's the youtube video of that dance?
[15:20] <pitti> (happy dance for fixing kernel tests)
[15:20] <cyphermox> I think pitti wants to take over UTF-8 summary ending lead. :)
[15:20] <infinity> barry: It's an easter egg in d-i, go find it.
[15:20] <slangasek> heh
[15:20] <slangasek> any questions over status?
[15:20] <barry> infinity: do you have to fix 5 bugs before it reveals itself?
[15:21] <slangasek> oh, and doko's binutis/gcc SRUs got released in trusty
[15:21] <infinity> Yeah, which means we can probably undo a hack in linux-lts-vivid.
[15:21] <slangasek> (only ignoring 3 and 6 autopkgtest regressions respectively)
[15:21] * infinity makes a note.
[15:22] <doko> autopkgtest regressions for trusty?
[15:22] <slangasek> doko: yes; not caused by either of your SRUs, just caused by letting autopkgtests bitrot for a year in trusty before we started looking at them again
[15:22] <slangasek> some of them being network-related failures
[15:22] <sil2100> slangasek: were you able to make that document with the side-by-side comparison of overlay and derived distro for olli?
[15:23] <slangasek> some being mysql tests that fail because time doesn't stand still and SSL certificates expired
[15:23] <doko> ahh, I see. where can you see these?
[15:23] <slangasek> sil2100: in progress; will be done this morning
[15:23] <pitti> I sent a summary to u-devel@; mostly because of tests relying on quirks/bugs of the null runner which we used back then
[15:23] <sil2100> Thanks!
[15:23] <slangasek> doko: you probably can't get a link to the specific set anymore now that we've released the SRUs; there's nothing that you should need to look at however
[15:24] <slangasek> the most interesting one was a lintian testsuite failure claiming that a binary was now a corrupted elf object - but that error started happening a week *before* binutils was uploaded to trusty-proposed
[15:24] <infinity> pitti: Speaking of, did you want back on ~ubuntu-sru and ~ubuntu-release so you can have a bit more direct control over this madness?
[15:24] <pitti> infinity: I need ~release for that, right?
[15:24] <infinity> pitti: release for devel series, sru for SRUs.
[15:24] <bdmurray> infinity: you are just going to let this new guy on these teams?
[15:25] <infinity> pitti: We split the hints across the teams, just like we split the queues.
[15:25] <infinity> bdmurray: He's emeritus on both teams. :P
[15:25] <bdmurray> infinity: He might have forgotten how to do things!
[15:25] <infinity> That's a chance I'm willing to take.
[15:25] <pitti> I just select all and click "accept"
[15:26] <infinity> Okay, not willing anymore.
[15:26] <cyphermox> pitti: I think you mean select all and click Reject :)
[15:26] <pitti> I'm not yearning for more work, just to manage stuff that's innocently stuck in -proposed a little better
[15:26] <slangasek> heh
[15:27] <slangasek> doko: fwiw if you want an overview of failing autopkgtests, in theory https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/ is some kind of one
[15:27] <infinity> pitti: Team membership doesn't imply forced duties, though it might get you pinged occasionally for help with something. Anyhow, your call, no one's voluntold into these teams.
[15:27] <doko> slangasek, thanks, not so nice as update_excuses ...
[15:27] <pitti> infinity: right, please add me
[15:27] <stgraber> pitti: select all and click "reject" with "Spite" as the reason, everyone will think you're infinity :)
[15:28] <infinity> slangasek: Did anyone investigate the lintian regression and sort out what it really was? The last time lintian had a testsuite explosion like that, it really was a (weird) toolchain regression.
[15:28] <slangasek> doko: update_excuses gives you the overview for packages that are in progress. for SRUs that were already accepted, it no longer applies
[15:28] <pitti> oh, we don't have archives for SRUs
[15:28] <pitti> we do have them for devel
[15:29] <infinity> pitti: Reactivated in both.
[15:29] <slangasek> infinity: no. what I did sort out was that the timing didn't line up with the binutils change, which was what had triggered the test rerun
[15:29] <pitti> actually, I lie: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses/trusty/
[15:29] <pitti> ^ should have all the old excuses?
[15:29] <slangasek> infinity: (nor the gcc change; first lintian test failure was May 4, SRU accepts were May 13-14)
[15:30] <slangasek> pitti: oh, it should? interesting
[15:30] <infinity> slangasek: Sure, timing says it clearly wasn't *that* upload, still would be nice to figure out the cause. Maybe I'll poke later in my copious free time.
[15:30] <pitti> conveniently un-clickable, but at least there
[15:30] <slangasek> doko: ^^ so there is an archive of the excuses if you really care; but with my SRU hat I already reviewed them and declared them to be false positives
[15:31] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:31] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:31] <infinity> Sure. Since we already hijacked the meeting for sru/release stuff...
[15:31] <pitti> yes, right now we need to mostly ignore trusty, unless we upload a couple of SRUs to fix tests
[15:31] <infinity> slangasek, stgraber, pitti : ~ubuntu-release only has one Admin (me), which is suboptimal. Anyone want to volunteer to be a second Admin?
[15:31] <slangasek> are we actually to where we're meant to be wrt not regressing the testbeds?
[15:32] <slangasek> infinity: you can give me bits
[15:32] <pitti> slangasek: since utopic, yes; trusty had a completely different infrastructure
[15:32] <infinity> slangasek: Done.
[15:33] <slangasek> pitti: my meaning is: are we at the point now where the testbed we're using to test trusty SRUs properly models what we were using at the time of trusty release
[15:33] <slangasek> (per the discussion in Austin)
[15:33] <infinity> slangasek: I think he's saying "close as it can get", since the runner is completely different, and we can't fix that.
[15:33] <slangasek> ok
[15:33] <slangasek> I did see some test failures that appeared to be regressions in the network policy
[15:34] <slangasek> i.e., use of proxy + accessing Canonical network resources still returning a failure
[15:34] <pitti> slangasek: they now have build-essential pre-installed; but e. g. the "tests don't have their build deps installed" behaviour is still differnet
[15:34] <pitti> that too
[15:34] <pitti> but there's not much I can do about that, we don't have unrestricted network there
[15:34] <infinity> Network policy is about to change again, so that's an ongoing battle.
[15:34] <infinity> But hopefully we can do it smoothly.
[15:34] <slangasek> I'm not asking for an unrestricted network
[15:34] <pitti> infinity: in scalingstack you mean?
[15:34] <slangasek> I'm asking for the network policy to actually match what I understood to have been agreed with CI :)
[15:35] <infinity> pitti: Yeah. Though, we can probably do better with the move to scalingstack.
[15:35] <slangasek> which was "external resources on the Canonical network ok (but not yet implemented); truly external resources outside of our control, not ok"
[15:37] <pitti> slangasek: ah, we still have the old "anything goes via proxy" policy ATM
[15:37] <slangasek> barry: ^^ this also impacts your system-image tests of course, so if you want to know when your autopkgtests will be allowed to work... :)
[15:37] <stgraber> ah, that wasn't what you last told me, if that's the plan, then I'll have to turn off a bunch of tests in the LXC testsuite with the next upload
[15:37] <slangasek> pitti: oh, ok. I saw some test failures that implied that things were not working, including using the proxy
[15:37] <pitti> was that "no arbitrary net access" already decided? (I object rather strongly..)
[15:37] <infinity> I object to that too, unless Debian adopts the same policy.
[15:38] <stgraber> unless "external resources on the Canonical network ok" includes "squid.internal" in which case, I've got what I need
[15:38] <infinity> Cause hacking every test from Debian is ungood.
[15:38] <barry> slangasek: yeah. although i haven't gotten that far yet, i did re-enable the autopkgtests that do smoketesting against s-i.u.c
[15:38] <slangasek> tests relying on arbitrary external resources are unreliable tests
[15:38] <pitti> well, we would just change "one out of 1000 runs fails" with "all runs fail"
[15:38] <pitti> TBH, the unreliability of tests pales compared to the unreliability of our infrastructure
[15:38] <pitti> to the point that I can't even remember a single case
[15:39] <pitti> I mean wrt. remote net access, not in general
[15:39] <barry> it's also not necessarily a bad thing if you learn that a test relying on an external resource is failing <wink>
[15:40] <pitti> if I have to retry a failed net-accessing test twice a year, I'll be reeeeeeally happy :)
[15:40] <slangasek> stgraber: well, at least for the moment it's possible to access via the proxy
[15:40] <slangasek> (except when this randomly doesn't work)
[15:40] <infinity> slangasek: We did note that there are valid uses for tests talking to external resources, but often those don't relate to uploads, but should be daily "does my IM client software still work" tests.
[15:41] <stgraber> slangasek: ok. I got a bunch of e-mails about test failures and the log looked like no network connectivity but it wasn't triggered by one of my uploads so I didn't really look into the failure
[15:41] <slangasek> infinity: yes
[15:41] <infinity> slangasek: But if we figure out how to cater to that case, we still need to be able to talk to external resources to do it.
[15:41] <slangasek> infinity: the conclusion was "this doesn't belong in an autopkgtest run as part of proposed-migration"
[15:42] <infinity> slangasek: Sure, "... as part of p-m", I agree with, but we're building infra that should be flexible and reusable.
[15:42] <slangasek> it can be run under a different tenant with a different network policy
[15:42] * infinity shrugs.
[15:42] <slangasek> using the same charm on the same cloud
[15:42] <infinity> Anyhow, stgraber's use case also seems reasonable. Unless we want to host all his blobs in our network just to make the test 100% reliable instead of 99%, which seems like overengineering for a problem we don't have.
[15:43] <slangasek> stgraber: I heard something to the effect that Canonical would be doing internal hosting of lxc images; is that the plan?
[15:43] <stgraber> slangasek: nope
[15:43] <pitti> infinity: ^ or at least I don't think it's sensible to think about this while 20% of our tests fail due to random infrastructure problems
[15:44] <stgraber> LXD will be using the cloud images at some point in the near future, but nothing's changing for LXC
[15:44] <slangasek> stgraber: ah, of course
[15:44] <infinity> pitti: I like the theory that we'll make the infra five-nines reliable, so other problems become more obvious.
[15:44] <stgraber> and LXD's own testsuite already doesn't rely on network access at all
[15:44] <infinity> pitti: But, yeah, let's try to get there first.
[15:44] <slangasek> ok I think we've discussed this to death
[15:44] <slangasek> shall we release our captive audience?
[15:45] <infinity> +1
[15:45] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 15:45:28 2015 UTC.
[15:45] <meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-06-18-15.03.moin.txt
[15:45] <slangasek> thanks!
[15:45] <pitti> thanks everyone!
[15:45] <barry> thanks!
[16:59] <mhall119> sladen: are you around for this meeting?
[17:01] <mhall119> #startmeeting Community Council Weekly Meeting
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jun 18 17:01:26 2015 UTC. The chair is mhall119. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:01] <mhall119> Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:01] <mhall119> sladen: you are the only one to have something on the agenda, so I hope you're around
[17:02] <mhall119> this will not be the CC/KC meeting that we are trying to schedule, too many people from both teams were not going to be available, we will try and get that scheduled for next week at a convenient day and time for everybody
[17:03] <mhall119> but if you wanted to talk about any of the other things you put on the agenda, we can do that now
[17:07] <mhall119> I guess sladen isn't here, so we will postpone his agenda items for a later date
[17:07] <mhall119> is there any other business that anybody would like to bring up?
[17:10] <mhall119> I'm going to end it then, if anybody comes along in the next 50 minutes please ping me and I can start it up again
[17:10] <mhall119> #endmeeting
[17:10] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jun 18 17:10:40 2015 UTC.
[17:10] <meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-06-18-17.01.moin.txt
[17:22] <sladen> mhall119: today is Thursday
[17:27] <sladen> mhall119: hopefully you're researching topics to be able to talk about them on Friday 19 June 2015 17:00 UTC
[17:28] <sladen> mhall119: then we can distribute that information to those are may be around at the time
[17:29] <mhall119> sladen: we don't have anything scheduled for Friday
[17:30] <mhall119> sladen: ah, I think I see the confusion, in my email I said "tomorrow" when it was 12:01am for me, but I had meant today
[17:39] * sladen nods; apologises if my attempts to distill clarity from ambiguity were unsuccessful on this occasion---and combination of "1700 UTC tomorrow" and "all day Friday" had lead me to parse it that way. 36 hours is pushing things anyway for people to prepare (traditionally CC agenda nominally closes 24 hours in advance)---12 hours would likely be unfeasible, so it's perhaps another lucky fluke in this case
[17:41] <sladen> I don't expect everything to fixable in one day (as you have noted, several people unavailable), but our audience is the wider *buntu community and we can answer what we can in order to get the ball rolling
[17:42] <sladen> mhall119: it's just under 24 hours, but is there anything from the proposed CC->KC agenda that could usefully be added?
[17:45] <mhall119> sladen: we don't actually have a meeting scheduled for tomorrow
[17:45] <mhall119> but we have 15 minutes left in the block today, if you want to discuss any of the non-KC items in your agenda
[17:45] <sladen> mhall119: well it's an agenda of items that have come up in the last month
[17:46] <ahoneybun> SELF?
[17:46] <mhall119> sladen: right, and some of them will be discussed in the CC/KC meeting that we are trying to schedule, but if you have questions about the donations, licensing, or SELF conference I can answer them now
[17:46] <sladen> mhall119: I'm not sure those items are _me_ asking per-se... they are items were we should endevour to provide answers in order to better support and inform out community
[17:47] <sladen> s/were/where/; s/out/our/
[17:47] <mhall119> sladen: ok, so I don't know of any outstanding questions about the donations program, I think we've been able to provide all of the answers that are possible
[17:47] <sladen> mhall119: so it's the answers that matter more precisely than who might be asking them
[17:47] <mhall119> there is still no update on the license, other than that Canonical and the SFLC have agreed on a set of changes and are coordinating joint announcments about it
[17:48] <sladen> mhall119: I think that's a worthwhile update in itself
[17:49] <mhall119> Mark has asked the TB if they would be willing to act as a stand-in for any CC member that needs to recuse themselves from an issue, so that the council can still operate effectively, and they seemed widely supportive of that
[17:49] <sladen> mhall119: as it clearly differentiate between what is blocked/waiting/parked/cancelled
[17:50] <mhall119> I don't think there's any formal process around when/how/who from the TB will fill in, but we can try that informally and see how we get on
[17:50] <mhall119> sladen: I'm not sure what you wanted about SELF, can you clarify?
[17:51] <mhall119> same with the agenda item about community donations from this month
[17:51] <sladen> also, that would be a good update to give tomorrow (even if its just those words) as it provides an update on the situation (informal, and indicates that it does not yet appear to have been called upon)
[17:51] <mhall119> sladen: ack
[17:52] <sladen> mhall119: for the donations programme, I think we have 2012H2 six-months figures for 3 out of 8 categories; and a budgetry allocation indication for one of those 8 categories (Update->Engineering)
[17:54] <sladen> mhall119: in https://lists.launchpad.net/kubuntu-council/msg00039.html there has been an assertion "doesn't seem to have been any interest on details of the other sliders still in use." but I don't recall having seen statements that might support that
[17:56] <mhall119> sladen: that was based on a lack of people asking for anything other than what was provided
[17:56] <sladen> mhall119: it would seem to make sense to document everything available from the programme that is known, and this would make it easier to hold up our hands and say that this is what is known
[17:57] <mhall119> sladen: if there's nobody who is interested in the data, I'm not going to ask people to spend time collecting it
[17:57] <mhall119> we never said we would release figures for all of the sliders, and nobody cares about anything but the 3 (now 1) that we've already done it for
[17:58] <sladen> mhall119: well, *I* for example (as a member of the Ubuntu community who finds oneself extolling the virtues of Debian/Ubuntu and contributing/donating to them) would certainly be interested to know and read about them. I've tried to becareful in the last month not to ask for things directly, as my aim here is to get people talking, and that would likely confuse the issues
[17:59] <mhall119> sladen: in that case you should request that information from dpm on the community team, there's no need for the CC to be in the middle of that
[18:00] <mhall119> sladen: what about the SELF agenda item?
[18:00] <sladen> well I think people do care---when we, as a community encoourage people to support *buntu (with contributions, and money) it is perhaps easier to talk authoratively when full information is available, rather than 12%, or 38%
[18:01] <mhall119> sladen: again though, the CC doesn't have that information, and we don't need to be the middle-man in that request, ask dpm directly
[18:01] <sladen> mhall119: well I hope you can perhaps say something like the above---if the answer is "nothing is being done because it is not perceieved that there is a desire for more" then this is perfectly okay
[18:02] <sladen> mhall119: it helps our communities understand what is happening vs. what is parked/cancelled, or not in progress
[18:02] <mhall119> sladen: that is the current answer, yes, the CC is not inquiring further about donations figures, we are satisfied with what has already been published
[18:03] <sladen> mhall119: then that I think would be a perfect complete answer to give tomorrow
[18:03] <mhall119> sladen: the only open issue the CC is tracking now is the IP policy update
[18:04] <sladen> mhall119: yup, it sounds like you've got an answer for that prepared above I can see
[18:04] <mhall119> sladen: so our hour timeslot is over, was there something specific you wanted to say about SELF?
[18:05] <sladen> shall we work through preparing/working through the rest of the items I've tried to group on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda#General_Agenda_Items_and_Proposals
[18:05] <mhall119> sladen: the rest of them are things for the CC/KC meeting
[18:06] <sladen> mhall119: ahhh, South-East Linux Fest
[18:07] <sladen> mhall119: I believe this was something that happened in the last week, so likely to be something that the Week 25 communtiy team summary will cover, and so something yourself may wish to talk about following the sending out of the community team summary tomorrow
[18:08] <sladen> mhall119: it was an item that came up on the Community Team list in the last month, and is an example of a use of the community fund
[18:09] <sladen> mhall119: so it would be an opportunity to talk about how it worked out; so highlighting the work of the Community Team, and Community members in organising a prescence there
[18:09] <sladen> mhall119: and how other community team members could do similiar for their own events
[18:10] <mhall119_> sladen: sorry, power blip knocked me offline
[18:10] <mhall119_> last I saw was 14:06 < mhall119> we will provide an update after that meeting
[18:11] <sladen> sadly http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/06/18/%23ubuntu-meeting.html not updated
[18:11] <pleia2> sladen: this seems like more like a proposal for a loco initiative, historically blog posts from community members post-event have been the standard for sharing event details like ahoneybun's from SELF last week: https://athoneycutt.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/self-day-1-ubuntu/
[18:11] <pleia2> I think it's gret to publicize the community funding often, but not sure how this is a CC thing
[18:12] <pleia2> the LoCo Council may be a good body to approach about coming up with some kind of campaign/toolkit for asking for funding and doing events
[18:12] <pleia2> nhaines and jose are both very experienced with these things
[18:12] <mhall119> the community team already publishes quarterly reports about the community donations
[18:13] <mhall119> svij, nhaines, jose and I are also going to be working together on documentation for UbuCons
[18:13] <pleia2> mhall119: nice
[18:13] <jose> o/
[18:13] <mhall119> but agian, not a CC thing
[18:13] <jose> I'll be around for another 15 or 30 if you want to PM me re:SELF
[18:14] <sladen> dialogues often flow when people can talk about their (non-controversial) passions with enthusiasm. So the its about trying to find ways to allow conversation to start and getting the ball rolling
[18:14] <pleia2> well, I don't want to step on the LoCo Council's toes here, so I really would rather defer to them on things like local events
[18:15] <mhall119> I like pleia2's suggestion that you do that as a loco-driven thing
[18:15] <sladen> well, perhaps there are other topics that peole would like to talk about and so start to built recongnition of each other's passions and qualities in order that the harder discussions and dialogues can flow
[18:15] <mhall119> btw, if any team is waiting on this channel please tell us to shut up and go away :)
[18:16] <pleia2> I believe last fall there was a thread or two on the ubuntu-community-team list about recognition, but there were too many ideas in those flurry of threads for the volunteers we had to work on them
[18:16] <mhall119> sladen: I think we already have a lot of tools and channels for this (IRC, forums, planet, discourse, mailing lists, etc)
[18:16] <pleia2> might be worthwhile for all of us to revisit those threads to see if there's anything we can pick up and work on now
[18:16] <mhall119> it's just a habit and culture of doing it that is needed
[18:16] <sladen> and we're slowly going off-topic in preparation for tomorrow
[18:17] <mhall119> again, sladen, there is no meeting tomorrow
[18:17] <sladen> which is excellent for conversation, but I would not want to detract or distract from tomorrow
[18:17] <pleia2> too many people can't make it, short notice
[18:17] <czajkowski> sladen: the CC meets on a Thursday,
[18:17] <czajkowski> every 2nd thursday never a Friday.
[18:17] <pleia2> czajkowski: this is the KC/CC meeting proposal
[18:17] <mhall119> sladen: the meeting I referenced in my email was today's
[18:17] <pleia2> czajkowski: not regular CC one
[18:17] <czajkowski> pleia2: aye I know but it was meant to be during the CC meeting due to timezones and mails being sent, folks though it was Friday
[18:18] <mhall119> pleia2: even that won't be this week
[18:18] <sladen> mhall119: we've published that; it may only be me, but I will do my best to covey some of the answers in the IRC above now that we have them
[18:18] <czajkowski> *thought
[18:18] <pleia2> mhall119: right
[18:18] <sladen> mhall119: and others are welcome to join in the fun
[18:19] <mhall119> sladen: give us a chance to hold our meeting first, then we can go from there
[18:23] <mhall119> sladen: I think we'll wrap this one up since we're already 20 minutes past our alloted time, the KC and CC will provide an update after our meeting with each other, and then we can move on to any other topics that haven't been completed at that time
[18:24] <mhall119> #endmeeting
[18:24] <sladen> mhall119: +1 and thank you for the answers in preparation for tomorrow
[18:24] <mhall119> though I never actually re-started it, so that does nothing
[18:25] <mhall119> sladen: always happy to provide answers, we're in #ubuntu-community-team all the time too
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[12:30] <elacheche> chou chkoun x)
[12:31] <d4rk-5c0rp> lol
[12:31] <d4rk-5c0rp> pinguitet kif majawebtnich 9olt baz taw nal9ah fil irc :p
[12:31] <d4rk-5c0rp> pinguitek*
[12:32] <elacheche> ghatess fil serveur, par hazard 3malt talla nal9ak in x(
[12:35] <d4rk-5c0rp> lol
[18:18] <elacheche_anis> o/
[18:33] <Na3iL> o/ elacheche_anis :D
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-gnome
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[07:08] <darkxst> Noskcaj, thanks, will upload in the morning
[07:08] <darkxst> Noskcaj, also looks like robert started on g-c-c merge https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1466245
[12:39] <LinDol_phone> hi all
[14:13] <darthanubis> hi
[18:12] <Guest49282> Hello anybody out there to help me solving a problem with Nautilus? If I drag and drop a file from, for example my desktop do my home directory, Nautilus does not move it, it only copys it.
[21:54] <JinjaNinja> Is there any way at all to create an app category folder, to organize apps within the application launcher of GNOME DE? There used to be a way to do it, but they've taken it away. I was wondering if anyone knows of a work around for this, or a simple Python script
[21:55] <JinjaNinja> I believe, in the earlier releases of GNOME DE, there used to be 2 category folders: "Utilities" and "Sundry"
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-server
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[05:05] <linocisco> hi all
[05:06] <linocisco> how to turn on NTP server ? if the ubuntu server lost connection to internet, as an alternate way, it should use hardware clock to update time to clients and IP Phones
[05:21] <kickinz1> linocisco: hi, which release?
[05:22] <linocisco> kickinz1, Linux ubuntuserver 3.16.0-30-generic #40~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 15 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:22] <kickinz1> linocisco: ok thanks, looking.
[07:18] <linocisco> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=862620
[07:19] <linocisco> but root@ubuntuserver:/# sudo aptitude install ntpd
[07:19] <linocisco> Couldn't find package "ntpd". However, the following
[07:19] <linocisco> packages contain "ntpd" in their name:
[07:19] <linocisco> cyrus-nntpd ntpdate cyrus-nntpd-2.4 openntpd
[07:29] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11734249/
[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:36] <kickinz1> linocisco, use openntpd
[08:38] <linocisco> kickinz1, late response. I have restarted whole server and now installing new server fresh
[08:38] <linocisco> kickinz1, thanks anyway
[08:39] <kickinz1> linocisco, you must have missed my message from more than 2 hours about using openntpd...
[08:39] <kickinz1> linocisco, 5:44 UTC: <kickinz1> linocisco, you can install openntpd ntp server, and set it to listen on the desired local addresses.
[08:40] <linocisco> kickinz1, i m sorry I didn't see it. may be my network card slept
[08:40] <kickinz1> linocisco, I hope you will find your way.
[08:40] <linocisco> kickinz1, thinking so
[09:25] <linocisco> hi all
[09:26] <linocisco> my wget never works behind wpad proxy with authentication. I tried many manuals and referece on internet
[09:27] <linocisco> ubuntu server is behind wpad proxy. I can create apt.conf and put some entries for http and apt proxy entries so apt-get commands work but wget never works
[09:41] <kickinz1> linocisco, did you try to customize wgetrc?
[09:41] <linocisco> kickinz1, how?
[09:41] <linocisco> kickinz1, now i got another problem. I changed from DHCP to static ip for eth0. and nslookup doesnt work
[09:42] <kickinz1> linocisco, did you add a nameserver entry to your static config?
[09:43] <linocisco> kickinz1, I put nameserver x.x.x.x
[09:43] <linocisco> kickinz1, also under /etc/resolv.conf
[09:44] <linocisco> kickinz1, got it now
[09:44] <kickinz1> linocisco, wget: you need to create a .wgetrc file in your user directory then look here http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/manual/html_node/Proxies.html
[10:00] <linocisco> kickinz1, Error parsing proxy URL http://username:password@host:8080: Bad port number.
[10:01] <linocisco> kickinz1, when I tried to set under /etc/wgetrc
[10:20] <kickinz1> linocisco, you must adjust to your wpad proxy settings,
[13:02] <TJ-> Do we have a way to serialise LVM LV mirror re-syncs where a single VG is resyncing several LVs simultaneously - so I/O is focused on a single LV at a time rather than scattered across all resyncing LVs?
[13:26] <OpenTokix> TJ-: What would be the benefit of that?
[13:31] <TJ-> OpenTokix: increasing the I/O throughout so the disks spend less time seeking and more time reading/writing
[13:32] <OpenTokix> TJ-: you assume each LV is a sequenial block?
[13:32] <OpenTokix> TJ-: that is a wrong assumption
[13:39] <TJ-> OpenTokix: I *know* which extents on which physical devices are assigned so I *know* they are sequential. Anyhow, it improved I/O thoughput from 28MB/s to 100MB/s
[13:41] <TJ-> I had to invert my thinking - instead of trying to serialise all the resyncing LVs it just required de-activating all but one resyncing LV ("lvchange -an VG/LV)
[13:53] <Fenikkusu> Does anyone know either where to ask or what the answer is for: What is the max HDD size the Dell PowerEdge 2950 supports and the max total size supported?
[13:54] <jamespage> hallyn, do you think it would be feasible to have an alternative for libtool-bin for the qemu package to make backporting to trusty a bit easier? wily qemu needs a delta right now
[14:00] <hallyn> jamespage: you mean in qemu's debian/control have a different pkg than libtool-bin in build-deps, on trusty only?
[14:02] <hallyn> if so what would you want in its place?
[14:04] <jamespage> hallyn, not quite sure - trying to figure that out
[14:04] <jamespage> hallyn, it would be a libtool-bin | xxx type thing
[14:06] <hallyn> the delta right now what exactly?
[14:06] <jamespage> I know its a delta - I've just not fixed it yet :-)
[14:07] <hallyn> i misse da word - the delta right now *is* what exactly?
[14:07] <hallyn> oh you mean you dont' have one yet, got it
[14:07] <jpds> Fenikkusu: Wouldn't you be better off asking Dell?
[14:07] <hallyn> i see, libtool-bin doesn't exist at all :)
[14:08] <hallyn> jamespage: anyway, debian/control is built by debian/rules, so we can actually process it if you like
[14:08] <hallyn> (from debian/contorl-in)
[14:08] <Fenikkusu> jpds, I would be glad too if I could find a channel to do so in.
[14:10] <hallyn> jdstrand: do you have any objection to doing what is in the last comment at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1342083 ?
[14:42] <jdstrand> hallyn: the owner @{PROC}/[0-9]*/fd/* r, rule breaks vm isolation and will cms to read fds from other vms
[14:43] <jdstrand> s/cms/allow vms/
[14:43] <jdstrand> hallyn: based on the denial, it seems that 'owner @{PROC}/[0-9]*/fd/ r,' is what is actually needed, not 'owner @{PROC}/[0-9]*/fd/* r,'
[14:44] <jdstrand> hallyn: '@{PROC}/[0-9]*/fd/ r,' would be ok
[14:46] <hallyn> so i wonder whether '@{PROC}/self/fd/ ' would suffice
[14:48] <jdstrand> hallyn: I somewhat wonder if only pt_chown would suffice
[14:49] <jdstrand> hallyn: reason being, the fd/* rule shouldn't have helped anything, and if the user added pt_chown maybe the fd rule isn't needed at all
[14:49] <jdstrand> but the ordering of the denials suggests it is needed
[14:52] <hallyn> zul: i gather yo'uve not had time to track down the failures in libvirt 1.2.16 ?
[14:52] <zul> hallyn, not yet...tomorrow hopefully
[14:52] <hallyn> ok
[14:52] <hallyn> jdstrand: thanks
[14:53] <hallyn> (asked the submitter to verify whether htat suffices)
[14:53] <hallyn> zul: if you do get it fixed an dif we hear back about it, it might be worth adding the fix for bug 1342083 to 1.2.16-0ubuntu1 as well
[14:54] <zul> ack
[15:09] <jak2000> if i mount a windows share: sudo mount -t cifs //132.1.5.240/Sistemas /mnt/share/svr242/ -o username=administrador,password=Jmasc3186 how to unmount?
[15:17] <Fenikkusu> Does anyone have any suggestions on a good computer to use as a home server? Rack mount if possible, so I can get it under a desk or something?
[15:20] <teward> Fenikkusu: without use case we can't give any suggestions
[15:20] <teward> like what would go on that
[15:22] <Fenikkusu> teward, I'm trying to build a home NAS/Media Server. Right now I have a HP Compaq 6005 USDT that works fine, but only has one SATA port on it, so it will be tricky to update in the future. I'm just looking for a computer that I can fit under a desk and/or couch (I can deal easily enough with air flow) that doesn't suck up power and doesn't sound like a jet all the time.
[15:24] <bearface> most rackmounts with stock fans sound like a jet
[15:25] <teward> ^
[15:26] <OpenTokix> Fenikkusu: just buy a NAS-box
[15:28] <lordievader> Fenikkusu: Or build a desktop with server hardware.
[15:50] <Fenikkusu> lordievader, I don't think the overall hardware matters. I'm more looking for a cheap, quite, compaq option
[19:56] <b4tm4n> so, according to docs, to get openvpn to start on boot, you can modify /etc/openvpn/default at set an AUTOSTART parameter. I tried this and it worked (or so it seemed). Because now, even with all AUTOSTART lines commented, the vpn connects on boot. How do I disable it?
[22:40] <danofsatx> Does anyone have a favored torrent tracker package for Ubuntu servers?
[22:42] <sarnold_> rtorrent is tolerable via shell
[22:43] <tarpman> rtorrent++
[22:43] <tarpman> there's also transmission-cli, which iirc contains a web interface as well as the cli
[22:43] <danofsatx> that is compareable to opentracker?
[22:43] <sarnold_> I
[22:43] <sarnold_> I'm no torrent expert, I might not know quite wha tyou're looking for :)
[22:45] <danofsatx> I'm not either. I was asked to step in to a volunteer torrent project today to help distribute some open source software, and we need torrent trackers set up to handle the effort.
[22:50] <sarnold_> danofsatx: aha, then rtorrent is not going to be what you need. it might be part of it.. or might not.
[22:50] <sarnold_> danofsatx: hmm, I'm having trouble getting to their websites.. take a look at suse's mirrorbrain, it might be useful, I remember thinking it looked neat when i read about it a few months ago
[22:50] <danofsatx> yeah, it's part of it. I knew rtorrent was a torrent client, but I didn't know if it provided a tracker server also
[22:53] <danofsatx> mirrorbrain appears to be the equivalent of the Fedora Project's MirrorManager - it doesn't do torrents, though.
[22:53] <sarnold_> hm. Bummer. I thought it did :(
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-ci-eng
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[01:05] <michi> alecu: ping
[01:50] <michi> alecu: bug 1466273
[02:05] <alecu> michi: thanks! hope everything goes alright with your achilles heel
[02:05] <michi> alecu: I shall live. Sorry, I posted this in the wrong channel by mistake.
[02:05] <michi> Meant to send it in unity-api.
[04:54] <Mirv> morning
[07:44] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2: since I had my evening off yesterday, I probably missed the ping... but did the ubuntu images pass sanity?
[08:11] <jibel> sil2100, it did
[08:12] <sil2100> jibel: excellent, so I can promote those, right?
[08:12] <sil2100> jibel: QA tested mako, or any other platform too?
[08:14] <davmor2> sil2100: yes you missed the ping
[08:14] <jibel> sil2100, just mako
[08:14] <davmor2> sil2100: you also missed the cussing for there being a 164 when I went to test it too :P
[08:15] <sil2100> davmor2: oh, uh, then good I missed that I guess! I made 164 since people needed shell rotation back
[08:15] <sil2100> hm, I wonder how broken flo and manta are
[08:17] <davmor2> sil2100: yeah only I didn't know about it so install expecting 163 fortunately I notice the new icons and shell rotation so look into what was wrong
[08:18] <davmor2> sil2100: is manta even supported anymore?
[08:18] <sil2100> I mentioned the image number which was the OTA-4, so I thought you would install it explicitly :)
[08:18] <sil2100> Well, no one told us not to support it, we still build images for it
[08:19] <sil2100> The discussion never got resumed about deprecating it
[08:19] <sil2100> Maybe it's a good time to start that agin
[08:19] <sil2100> *again
[08:22] <sil2100> For now I'll promote mako, generic* and krillin
[08:34] <sil2100> Yeah... we anyway don't seem to have OTA-4 images for flo, manta and generic_x86 right now...
[08:34] <sil2100> Might need to think of a smart way to make them
[08:37] <popey> sil2100: i added a line to the sheet for clock but I see no trello card, am I doing something wrong?
[08:38] <seb128> popey, are the system connected now?
[08:38] <seb128> like adding a line to the gdoc talks to trello?
[08:38] <popey> i was told there was a bot
[08:38] <seb128> interesting ;-)
[08:38] <ogra_> seb128, since forever (for the "testing done" filed at least)
[08:39] <seb128> ogra_, only when QA is required no?
[08:39] <ogra_> the click package stuff not as long though
[08:39] <ogra_> seb128, yeah
[08:39] <seb128> k, right
[08:39] <jibel> popey, the landing team has to assign a landing id.
[08:39] <jibel> I just did, it should appear on the board soon
[08:40] <jibel> popey, well, when it'll be ready for QA
[08:40] <popey> ok.
[08:41] <jibel> popey, if you tested it, mark it so and it should be enough to set it ready for qa
[08:44] <Mirv> sil2100: FYI QA now has a Qt security update in their hands... not sure if security updates to overlay contents have been discussed or not, but this relied on me noticing it (vivid proper was updated but it does not affect our images)
[08:46] <jibel> sil2100, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LandingTeam/SupportedDevices doesn't mention flo or manta for stable channels
[08:46] <sil2100> jibel: ah, you're right
[08:47] <sil2100> jibel: we decided that we'll only do them for the devel channels
[08:47] <sil2100> My bad, forgot about that
[08:48] <jibel> Mirv, security updates should follow the same process than any other security updates independently of the target archive/ppa
[08:48] <Mirv> jibel: what I meant as a general topic is that our security team does not currently consider overlay PPA at all
[08:49] <Mirv> so if we have a component there, it does not get security attention unless the component owner does so
[08:49] <sil2100> Mirv: who is working on the Qt security update?
[08:50] <Mirv> sil2100: ?
[08:50] <Mirv> sil2100: so as I just said I did this overlay update now ready for signoff
[08:50] <Mirv> sil2100: security team did it for normal vivid two weeks ago
[08:50] <Mirv> and I had a newer version in wily already
[08:51] <sil2100> Mirv: ah, ok, and the reason why we didn't get the security update 2 weeks ago is because we have our own Qt in the overlay
[08:51] <sil2100> Ok
[08:51] <Mirv> sil2100: so I just raised the topic that currently our security related things are not consolidated, as security team handles only stable Ubuntu releases but not phone if a package happens to be in overlay ppa
[08:52] <Mirv> sil2100: yeah, that :)
[08:52] <sil2100> Mirv: yeah, we know about it, and the reason it's like that because by principle anything that lands in the overlay should be backported as an SRU to vivid (if possible)
[08:52] <Mirv> then if we use SRU style versioning we run into the same thing as network-manager that overlay PPA package might be overwritten by normal SRU and losing overlay commits
[08:53] <sil2100> Well, that was the idea in the past, I know slangasek and olli are still re-discussing that
[08:53] <Mirv> sil2100: riiight, yes, I remember this now.
[08:53] <Mirv> sil2100: ok, let's see later. so now we have examples of Qt that needs manual intervention and network-manager that might suddenly lose features on phone images - two approaches
[08:53] <sil2100> For Qt the situation is anyway a bit harder, as it's not a touch-specific component
[08:54] <Mirv> sil2100: so is not network-manager, so that's another good example
[08:54] <sil2100> Yeah...
[08:54] <Mirv> and some of the indicators too
[08:55] <Mirv> and UITK
[08:55] <Mirv> and webbrowser
[08:55] <Mirv> these latter examples are such that have actual bumped upstream versions so they are essentially same as Qt
[09:42] <jibel> sil2100, did anything change recently with the spreadsheet, the bot cannot parse the click tab anymore
[09:42] <jibel> ?
[09:46] <sil2100> jibel: hm, nothing from our side at least
[09:46] <sil2100> jibel: we did notice that the spreadsheets have changed, so maybe they modified the API somehow?
[09:48] <jibel> sil2100, I'm just doing a get passing the id of the tab in the url but now it always returns the 1st tab
[09:50] <sil2100> You doing it as CSV or using the API for that?
[09:51] <jibel> sil2100, CSV, the format of the url has changed
[09:51] <jibel> fixing no
[09:51] <jibel> w
[09:52] <sil2100> Ok, probably due to the switch to the new API
[09:53] <sil2100> Actually, I don't want to jinx it, but maybe they fixed the race conditions in the new version and we won't have things broken anymore
[09:57] <jibel> fixed
[09:57] <jibel> popey, https://trello.com/c/kTTrqblZ/1802-click-clock-app-popey
[09:58] <popey> thanks jibel
[10:07] <jibel> Mirv, silo 10 is the security fix you mentioned earlier?
[10:15] <sil2100> \O/
[10:15] <sil2100> (big head since cat enabled capslock)
[10:15] <Mirv> jibel: yes
[11:09] <sil2100> wgrant, cjwatson: hey guys! I wanted to poke about the overlay translation updates - are all the bits in LP ready for that? Or is that still just a proposition and you're waiting for us?
[11:09] <cjwatson> It's a proposition.
[11:10] <cjwatson> If you folks sign off on it, we can implement it, but we weren't going to do it entirely on our own initiative.
[11:18] <sil2100> cjwatson: ok, need to move this forward then, but I suppose it might be linked with the big derived-vs-overlay discussion
[11:20] <cjwatson> sil2100: That's what I'd feared. I think it would be a bad outcome to get stalled in some kind of perfect-is-the-enemy-of-the-good thing
[11:21] <cjwatson> sil2100: Just don't quite have the bandwidth to be able to give a day to something that might not be used
[11:21] <sil2100> At best I would like to have this implemented without waiting on the decision, but if by any chance we decide that its best to switch to a derived distro (uh) then it owuld be wasted work
[11:21] <sil2100> Yeah
[11:22] <sil2100> cjwatson: ok then, we'll be in touch regarding that
[11:23] <cjwatson> We can do it if there's a decent chance
[12:02] * sil2100 off to lunch
[12:24] <dobey> if cmake-extras is installed, why would EnableCoverageReport not be found?!
[12:51] <pete-woods> trainguards: I don't like to nag, but if someone could push the land button on silo 43 it would probably help out quite a few people :) (anyone using cmake-extras)
[12:52] <pete-woods> I may or may not be one of these folks ;)
[12:58] <Mirv> pete-woods: ok :)
[12:59] <Mirv> pete-woods: unapproved! https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/cmake-extras/cmake-3.2/+merge/262315 ..
[12:59] <Mirv> (just top-approve if you have the authority)
[12:59] <pete-woods> Mirv: done!
[13:00] <Mirv> pete-woods: ok, it's publishing now and I acked the packaging changes
[13:01] <pete-woods> Mirv: awesome, thanks!
[13:53] <barry> robru: after cjwatson diagnosed the problem, i wonder if there isn't a quick hack/fix to add an option to include -sa when building the package. adding .bzr-builddeb doesn't work
[13:53] <barry> (i can see that the orig.tar.gz isn't included in the upload to the ppa)
[13:54] <barry> robru: or hmm... maybe i can just upload to the ppa manually and then let the train take it all from there?
[14:05] <kalikiana> jibel: ping https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/landing_12-6-2015/+merge/261831 the branch is top-approved now
[14:05] <kalikiana> (and tested)
[14:05] <kalikiana> (for silo 011)
[14:12] <dbarth_> o/ silo 001 ready to publish for wily; though some qa smoke testing might be good for the dual/vivid task as well
[14:13] <sil2100> o/
[14:17] <jibel> kalikiana, thanks
[14:17] * jibel adds a task to update the bot to update existing cards.
[15:12] <robru> barry: yeah you can always upload manually. I have no idea why your package alone requires -sa, literally no other train packages require this and it's never been a problem before.
[15:14] <barry> robru: just trying to keep things interesting for you
[15:16] <barry> robru: i'll upload manually for now
[15:18] <robru> barry: would -sa option be a nop for packages that are already including orig.tar in the upload anyway? I'd be open to adding that to all builds if it a) helped you and b) was harmless for everybody else. I don't like the idea of adding extra options to the build, too many checkboxes already
[15:19] <barry> robru: i think it would be harmless. i'm not actually sure how it's currently automagically including the orig.tar.gz or not, or why my branch isn't getting it
[15:20] <robru> barry: my only guess is that it's because you have a debian/watch. nobody else does. without it, dput must think "there's no way to find the orig.tar so I have to include it" but with yours dput is like "oh yeah lp can find the orig.tar on it's own"
[15:22] <barry> robru: hmm... but that would be an easy theory to test. what's the command used to create the source package from the mp?
[15:24] <robru> barry: "bzr bd -S"
[15:26] <robru> barry: makes me wonder why lp doesn't just use your debian/watch to find the orig.tar
[15:27] <barry> robru: that is very strange, because it's the same command i use here, and my _sources.changes *does* have an orig.tar.gz. otoh, i'm doing it from the branch that already has the merge. let me try to branch the packaging branch and then merge in my mp, and do that command
[15:46] <sil2100> 7~~~~~~~~~~~4~
[16:00] <ogra_> sil2100, meow ?
[16:00] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can I have a silo for line 68, please?
[16:01] <popey> landing meeting?
[16:14] <barry> robru, slangasek yeah, so my source package building test worked just fine here locally. in a completely different, fresh directory i did the following:
[16:14] <barry> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-managed-branches/ubuntu-system-image/system-image
[16:14] <barry> cd system-image/
[16:14] <barry> bzr merge lp:~barry/ubuntu-system-image/citrain301
[16:14] <barry> bzr bd -S
[16:15] <barry> then...
[16:15] <barry> % grep orig ../system-image_3.0.1-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[16:15] <barry> 4fa47281da9e6f313c2ab27c83e129bf4ae747fe 203601 system-image_3.0.1.orig.tar.gz
[16:15] <barry> 3a0d73bd37a67bcc1606d4f082d2072af5555f8413c36e56ad4b50f3b9ddb277 203601 system-image_3.0.1.orig.tar.gz
[16:15] <barry> 447b49e1a59655a16451bc98543190f8 203601 python optional system-image_3.0.1.orig.tar.gz
[16:15] <barry>
[16:15] <barry> so yeah, i have no clue why the train is unhappy
[16:15] <barry> for now, i am just going to upload manually to the ppa
[16:16] <barry> robru: in the meantime, please remove the line that says "if user == 'barry': raise MysteriousFailureError"
[16:17] <robru> barry: no i like that one!
[16:17] <barry> robru: somehow that got past my code review
[16:17] <robru> barry: I'll push a branch that adds -sa and see what happens
[16:17] <barry> robru: should i wait so we can test that out for reals?
[16:18] <robru> barry: sure one sec
[16:20] <robru> barry: ok started a build
[16:20] <barry> cool
[16:20] <cjwatson> robru: debian/watch is totally irrelevant for this
[16:21] <robru> cjwatson: ok well I added -sa so we'll see if that works
[16:21] <cjwatson> -sa is implied if the previous version in the changelog had a different upstream, iirc
[16:21] <robru> cjwatson: but it's bizarre to me that all other packages work without -sa, I'm not sure how barry's differs
[16:21] <barry> robru: oops
[16:21] <barry> robru: you need to put the -sa after the --
[16:21] <robru> barry: cjwatson but 3.0.1 differs from 3.0?
[16:22] <cjwatson> it does
[16:22] <barry> cjwatson: yep, and locally no -sa is needed
[16:22] <barry> hang on
[16:23] <barry> robru: this doesn't look right:
[16:23] <barry> Creating source with bzr bd -S -sa -- -k55EFCAA8 -d -v3.0-0ubuntu2
[16:23] <barry> first, the -sa needs to go after --
[16:23] <barry> but -v3.0-0ubuntu2?
[16:23] <barry> that's probably breaking debuild
[16:23] <barry> where's that coming from?
[16:23] <robru> barry: no the -v tag means "include the diff since this version", that's the version currently in archive
[16:23] <robru> barry: fixed the -sa though
[16:24] <barry> robru: oh right of course
[16:24] <barry> bingo
[16:24] <barry> Uploading system-image_3.0.1.orig.tar.gz: done.
[16:24] <barry>
[16:25] <barry> nfc why that's not autodetected, but it looks like that might have solved the problem
[16:25] <robru> barry: cool. I'll keep an eye on that to make sure nobody else gets broken by this change ;-)
[16:25] <barry> :)
[16:25] <jhodapp> robru, can you please reconfigure silo 19
[16:25] <cjwatson> using -sa all the time is inefficient but shouldn't actually be harmful
[16:26] <barry> robru: it could be a problem if someone uploads a change that only affects the packaging version, but given that most are not split like s-i i bet that won't happen in practice like it does in the distro
[16:26] <robru> barry: yeah in the train we auto-generate new upstream versions
[16:26] <cjwatson> barry: that just means the orig is reuploaded unnecessarily, but LP won't care as long as it's identical
[16:27] <barry> cjwatson: ah, cool. thanks guys! i'm off to get some lunch but will check back in a few
[16:28] <cjwatson> it's in https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-040/+packages and building
[16:28] <cjwatson> but you can see there why there was a problem!
[16:28] <cjwatson> robru: look at https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-040/+packages and expand the expander
[16:28] <cjwatson> observe the duplicate changelog version
[16:29] <robru> cjwatson: oh... k...
[16:29] <jhodapp> robru, thanks
[16:29] <robru> cjwatson: I blame barry
[16:29] <robru> jhodapp: you're welcome
[16:29] <cjwatson> that confuses dpkg-buildpackage into thinking it doesn't need to reupload the .orig because look there was a "previous" version already
[16:30] <cjwatson> (dpkg-genchanges, strictly)
[16:30] <robru> cjwatson: other than looking retarded, is that going to cause any further problems?
[16:30] <cjwatson> shouldn't
[16:30] <robru> alright
[16:30] <kenvandine> davmor2, how do i need to bug to get silo 4 verified by the eod of the week?
[16:31] <kenvandine> s/eod/end/
[16:31] <davmor2> kenvandine: not me I'm off tomorrow :) ↑ jibel
[16:32] <davmor2> kenvandine: it is however only 3rd in the queue so will most likely be done tomorrow anyway
[16:32] <kenvandine> davmor2, i was told at one point that they aren't verified in that order
[16:33] <kenvandine> it was first in the queue a few days ago :)
[16:33] <davmor2> kenvandine: yeah if something critical lands then everything else gets bumped one. but on the whole that is the order we pull from
[16:34] <kenvandine> ok
[16:40] <camako> ricmm, you asked in the past to get a heads up on MPs for papi. This has lingered for a while now : https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/platform-api/delete-deprecations/+merge/254170 and it's blocking slangasek. Can you please take a look? We'll be landing it soon.
[16:41] <camako> racarr, AlbertA ^
[17:20] <barry> cjwatson: well, wtf. yay. course, it was happening even before that
[17:20] <barry> well, wait a sec
[17:20] <barry> my branch doesn't have that
[17:21] <barry> and neither apparently does: https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/ubuntu-system-image/citrain301/+merge/262255
[17:21] <barry> cjwatson, robru ^^
[17:22] * barry blames robru's == 'barry' line
[17:22] <robru> barry: yeah the train adds that because reasons. ideally you'd allow the train to generate versions for you and it would all be one big entry but because you force your own versions this happens
[17:22] <barry> sweet
[17:23] * barry thinks of more ways to break robru's software
[18:32] <robru> cyphermox: happy birthday! ;-)
[18:39] <barry> sil2100: why can't i find s-i 2.5.1 in the dashboard?
[18:41] <barry> or robru ^^?
[18:42] <robru> barry: 2.5.1? hm?
[18:42] <barry> robru: row 55
[18:43] <robru> barry: because it was published: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-028-2-publish/42/console
[18:44] <robru> barry: and it's in the PPA: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+packages?field.name_filter=system-image&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[18:44] <barry> robru: then why row 55, column P?
[18:44] <barry> is that just leftover artifact or is there Something To Do?
[18:45] <robru> barry: seems stale. spreadsheet rubbish
[18:45] <robru> barry: here's something to do: https://code.launchpad.net/~barry/ubuntu-system-image/citrain301/+merge/262255 please top approve
[18:45] <barry> robru: cool. have you killed the spreadsheet yet?
[18:45] <robru> it's close, barry. so close.
[18:45] <barry> :)
[18:45] <barry> done
[18:46] <robru> barry: if you wanna help with spreadsheet, visit http://requests.ci-train.staging.ubuntu.com/ sign in, create a request, fiddle around, and file bugs against https://bugs.launchpad.net/bileto
[18:48] <barry> robru: will do. can you actually build and publish packages there currently?
[18:49] <robru> barry: not publish, no
[18:49] <robru> barry: it's a staging instance, it can build packages in ~ci-train-staging-area ppas, which are virtualized, and thus not eligible for publishing.
[18:49] <barry> robru: ack
[18:53] * barry thinks that's exactly where system-image belongs
[18:54] <barry> robru: one nice thing about bileto - i won't have to have a dual monitor spanning chrome tab open to interact with it
[18:57] <robru> barry: yes one of the primary goals is to be more streamlined than a spreadsheet.
[18:57] <robru> barry: it's not perfect, but it's an order of magnitude better
[18:57] <robru> brb
[19:20] <charles> trainguards, can I get a silo for row 69
[19:21] <charles> queuebot, indeed
[19:21] <cjwatson> robru: virtualised> soooo close
[19:22] <cjwatson> virt ppc64el builds almost work and we have hardware installed for ARM ...
[19:23] <robru> charles: need MPs, not branches
[19:23] <robru> cjwatson: sweeeeet
[19:23] <charles> d'oh
[19:23] <robru> cjwatson: still though even with that I'm not sure publishing from ci-train-staging-area is a good idea. the creds are less credible.
[19:24] <charles> robru, corrected
[19:24] <robru> charles: thanks
[19:24] <robru> charles: silo 22
[19:25] <cjwatson> robru: no quite
[19:25] <cjwatson> will make ephemeral PPAs simple though
[19:25] <cjwatson> (ish)
[19:25] <robru> cjwatson: right, that'll be nice
[19:25] <charles> robru, thanks
[19:25] <robru> charles: you're welcome
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-si
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[06:36] <napsy> jutro
[06:48] <zdobersek> ahoy sailors
[07:11] <yang> .vreme lj
[07:11] <jabuk> ARSO: Ljubljana (299m): 13°C @18.06.2015 6:00 UTC.
[07:11] <jabuk> Vlažnost: 70% pretežno jasno
[07:11] <jabuk> Sončni vzhod: 03:11:44, Kulminacija: 11:04:10, Sončni zahod: 18:56:35
[07:11] <jabuk> Dan je dolg: 15ur 44min 51s, Luna je v ščipu
[07:22] <anny_> i hate irc stuff
[07:23] <idioterna> skoda
[07:26] <idioterna> js mam pa rad irc
[07:33] <anny_> potem pa sovražim ta xchat
[07:33] <zdobersek> wat en turnaround
[07:35] <napsy> xchat teh sux
[07:38] <anny_> true dat
[07:40] <napsy> zaka pa ne uporablas irssi?
[07:44] <anny_> terminal sux
[07:44] <idioterna> vat did you say?
[07:44] <anny_> true dat
[07:46] <idioterna> no ja
[07:46] <idioterna> at least there's job security
[07:46] <idioterna> in the fact normal people think terminals suck
[07:47] <anny_> bom poskusila..ko bom velika
[08:11] <CrazyLemon> zakaj pa xchat suxa?
[08:11] <napsy> a ni unmaintained?
[08:12] <CrazyLemon> je ja
[08:12] <CrazyLemon> ampak dela pa še vedno!
[08:12] <CrazyLemon> hexchat pa je maintained
[08:12] <napsy> no, anny_ suxa
[08:12] <CrazyLemon> :D
[08:16] <dz0ny> xchat sux
[08:20] <CrazyLemon> no zdaj bomo poslušali o tem kako je webui so much better :p
[08:20] <idioterna> irssi je kr uredu
[08:26] <dz0ny> weechat
[08:27] <dz0ny> CrazyLemon: works everywhere from everywhere
[08:27] <zdobersek> for ever
[08:29] <anny_> nič ni foever
[08:29] <CrazyLemon> dz0ny does it really? tudi iz terminala? :)
[08:30] <dz0ny> davki so
[08:30] <dz0ny> CrazyLemon: yes
[08:30] <CrazyLemon> meh.. sux :p
[08:30] <dz0ny> anny_: pa lovers hate :)
[08:30] <anny_> zeeh
[08:33] <zdobersek> pancakes don't fix bullet holes
[08:34] <anny_> ocvirki tud ne slabih žgancev
[08:34] <Sky[x]> lp
[08:46] <slax0r> dobro jutr
[08:46] <slax0r> jutro*
[08:46] <napsy> lp
[10:01] <dz0ny> .aptf add-apt-repository
[10:01] <jabuk> /usr/bin/add-apt-repository > software-properties-common
[10:02] <zdobbie> .gif come on
[10:02] <jabuk> http://media.giphy.com/media/HbkT5F5CiRD3O/giphy.gif
[10:02] <dz0ny> go on
[10:11] <zdobbie> watch yo back
[10:11] <zdobbie> http://i.imgur.com/WO7kutM.gifv
[10:14] <napsy> http://codeconfessional.tumblr.com/post/121673506725/patching-an-application-from-a-device-driver
[10:15] <Seniorita> Code Confessional - Patching an application from a device driver
[10:15] <Seniorita> »I confess: I once fixed a bug in a device driver by having the driver patch the application calling it so that the bug was masked. Here’s my story…Long ago I worked on DOS and (early) Windows device...«
[10:20] <zdobbie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6KXjTv8TrY&feature=youtu.be
[10:20] <Seniorita> Shark Cage Visit in HD - YouTube
[10:20] <Seniorita> »Great White shark cage diving off Guadalupe Island, Baja California, Mexico. August 2013«
[10:28] <napsy> um en cuden problem mam
[10:29] <napsy> mam en paket ki je odvisn od couchdb
[10:29] <napsy> vse gut pa vse poinstaliran, zdj pa hocem sam couchdb zbrisat in apt hoce se tist drugi paket pobrisat
[10:29] <napsy> why?
[10:29] <napsy> ker couchdb ni odvisn od onega appa
[10:33] <napsy> aja ah
[10:33] <napsy> nvm
[10:55] <yang> anny_: probaj "kvirc", mislim, da sem ti ze svetoval to prej
[10:56] <CrazyLemon> dont do it
[10:57] <napsy> konversation
[10:57] <anny_> :)
[10:57] <anny_> dobri ste
[10:58] <napsy> ka pa pricakujes?
[10:58] <anny_> 64 bit
[10:58] <anny_> ne dela
[10:59] <napsy> kok ne, meni dela
[10:59] <anny_> ok, našla
[11:00] <CrazyLemon> dont do it
[11:01] <napsy> just do it!
[11:01] <anny_> tlele je mal shizofreno :)
[11:02] <anny_> velik shizofreno
[11:03] <napsy> by what do you mean?
[11:03] * CrazyLemon je danes prvič plačal parking z SMS sporočilom
[11:03] <CrazyLemon> i kinda like it
[11:03] <anny_> ne morete se zmeniti
[11:04] <anny_> ok, nalagam
[11:05] <CrazyLemon> we know
[11:05] <CrazyLemon> :p
[11:05] <anny_> same ol' story
[11:05] <CrazyLemon> mhm
[11:05] <anny_> težava je samo ena
[11:06] <anny_> preveč znanja na kupu
[11:06] * CrazyLemon prebral 'preveč sranja na kupu'
[11:06] <anny_> tudi to včasih :)
[11:09] <anny_> a si nor, še vedno nalaga...
[11:09] <CrazyLemon> baba k baba
[11:09] <CrazyLemon> kaj češ
[11:09] * CrazyLemon runs
[11:13] <anny_> *me slaps CrazyLemon with soška postrv
[11:13] <CrazyLemon> /me*
[11:13] <CrazyLemon> bravo!
[11:13] <CrazyLemon> brez quitanja!
[11:13] <anny_> mejčkn boljš
[11:14] <CrazyLemon> kaj pa te moti pri xchatu?
[11:14] <anny_> boš kaj rekel ali ne?
[11:15] <CrazyLemon> bom!
[11:15] <anny_> vse
[11:15] <CrazyLemon> živjo ! :D
[11:15] <anny_> o ku lepo
[11:18] <anny_> zdaj lahko v miru umrem :)
[11:18] <napsy> se prej povej kok se ti zdi konversation
[11:19] <anny_> vizualno precej bolje, o drugih vidikih pa rabim malo več vaje
[11:19] <CrazyLemon> its all about the bling
[11:19] <anny_> it's all bout women
[11:19] <CrazyLemon> http://www.siol.net/novice/slovenija/2015/06/v_uradu_predsednika_republike_prejeli_posiljko_z_iztrebki.aspx
[11:19] <zdobbie> about the bling
[11:19] <Seniorita> V uradu predsednika republike prejeli pošiljko z iztrebki | Slovenija - Planet Siol.net
[11:19] <Seniorita> »Sumljivo pošiljko, kakršne so pred kratkim prejeli v nekaterih uradnih ustanovah, so danes prejeli tudi v uradu predsednika republike Boruta Pahorja.«
[11:19] <CrazyLemon> prasci
[11:20] <zdobbie> no pebble
[11:20] <anny_> ne maramo grdih stvari
[11:20] <anny_> uf..kolegica dela v uradu predsednika vlade
[11:20] <anny_> moram prašat,kako je bilo
[11:20] <zdobbie> AJDE MISKA TO MI DELI
[11:20] <anny_> dobil, kar je iskal
[11:20] <napsy> tako tako, na primeren nacin je bil kaznovan
[11:20] <CrazyLemon> pfft..haters
[11:21] <CrazyLemon> prav kul je
[11:21] <anny_> konec meseca grem na srečanje z borčijem
[11:21] <anny_> bom poročala, če bo kaj o miški
[11:21] <zdobbie> tudi lepe miske kakajo
[11:21] <CrazyLemon> odvisna.. a si miška material al ne!
[11:21] <napsy> ne se mu pustit
[11:21] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie dont be silly
[11:21] <anny_> zdobbie ma prav
[11:22] <zdobbie> vem
[11:22] <anny_> in lulajo in prdijo
[11:22] <anny_> in stisnejo čelno komu, ki jim pravi miška....
[11:29] <yang> idioterna: kako si ti vsec Hayvanlar Alemi ?
[11:29] <anny_> yang, hvala za nasvet
[11:29] <yang> anny_: si sprobala ?
[11:30] <anny_> ja pravkar pišem v kvircu
[11:30] <yang> aha
[11:33] <anny_> do tega trenutka dela :)
[11:34] <yang> anny_: ja, saj mora
[11:35] <anny_> it's alive :)
[11:36] <napsy> who, what?
[11:36] <anny_> all of us
[11:37] <yang> idioterna: kako so ti vsec...
[11:38] <yang> Danes me je ena super nategnila v Hoferju, oz. dve punci
[11:38] <anny_> \o/
[11:38] <napsy> https://instagram.com/p/4EaqCcCStZ/
[11:38] <anny_> jang je pršu do sexa!
[11:38] <Seniorita> Instagram
[11:39] <Seniorita> »“One from China, one from Cambodia but together they make a perfect pair :)) #global #commerce”«
[11:39] <yang> spredaj je stala in pravi "Gospod ce kupit Delo ali Slovenske novice dobite darilce"... In sem kupil Delo, pa prasam prodajalko kaj je z darilcem, pa pravi "To majo zunaj cez hostese", grem ven in tam stoji ena druga in pravi "Ja une druge ni, nevem kam je sla, jaz ne dajem daril"
[11:39] <napsy> uuu trojcek
[11:39] <napsy> very nice-ish :)
[11:39] <yang> Pol pa pride ena tretja, pa pravi "Jaz nimam darilc, jaz sem od Agencije Jupiter, a mate 3 minutke casa za kratko anketo" pa sem kr sel
[11:41] <anny_> moral bi zahtevati darilo v naturalijah
[11:41] <yang> :)
[11:41] <anny_> prepozno
[11:42] <anny_> ker predvidevam, da so to mlade punce, bi se gotovo zmedla
[11:42] <yang> mislim, da je bil kr organised scam, una druga je imela torbico od une prve, una tretja je pa naokoli hodila pa govorila da je od neke tretje agencije
[11:43] <yang> zgleda da si Jupiter zeli delati reklamo po uni slabi novici, da so stranko zavrnili, ker ni imela zadosti denarja za aranzma
[11:43] <anny_> kupil si časopis
[11:44] <anny_> če je bilo noter kaj pametnega, ne moreš govoriti o scamu
[11:44] <yang> oz. stranka je zadela aranzma, in potem ji niso zeleli ugoditi
[11:44] <anny_> ta fora z aranžmaji je stara ko zemlja
[11:44] <zdobersek> koliko pa je stara zemlja?
[11:44] <anny_> le da so včasih lonci, včasih vaze, včasih posteljnina
[11:44] <anny_> zdobersek - 6000 let
[11:45] <zdobersek> ah
[11:45] <yang> se pravi nas nategujejo se iz casa faraonov
[11:45] <zdobersek> pol pa ni tolk stara fora
[11:45] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek mlada kot zemlja?
[11:45] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: middle-aged kot kompromis?
[11:45] <anny_> kakorkoli
[11:45] <anny_> kaj pa stara kot Srednji svet?
[11:46] <zdobersek> to pa ni vec tko middle-aged
[11:46] <yang> ma dobr, ce bi dobil vsaj obesek za kljuce od casopisne hise delo bi bil vec vreden kot sam casopis delo
[11:46] <zdobersek> to je bolj baby-faced
[11:47] <anny_> lahko ti pošljem obesek s plišastim losom v tolažbo
[11:47] <yang> plešasti los ?
[11:47] <anny_> mislim, da si bolj hud, da so te ujele na sexapil
[11:47] <napsy> nos
[11:47] <yang> haha
[11:49] <anny_> našla sem še enega s plišastim medvedkom :)
[11:49] <CrazyLemon> kok kjutiš!
[11:50] <anny_> to je dober pripomoček za lovljenje bejb
[11:50] <anny_> še boljši pa je živ dojenček
[11:50] <yang> Was ist los ?
[11:50] <CrazyLemon> lol.. nice touch 'živ'
[11:50] <anny_> los = los
[11:51] <anny_> severna obzorja...pa te fore
[11:51] <napsy> sm pa vedno mislu da je dober avto dober pripomocek za lovljenje bejb
[11:51] <anny_> ni rudolf
[11:51] <anny_> napsy, avto se sploh ne primerja
[11:51] <yang> anny_: čivava je tut ok za lovljenje zensk, alpa Ace-ventura terrier
[11:51] <napsy> a ni neki top ko pride vn en model iz hudga audija
[11:52] <anny_> moraš ga samo vzeti mami in v trenutku je okrok tebe trop žensk vseh starosti
[11:52] <anny_> ja, pa maltežani...ampak so bolj naporni za vzdrževanje, ker jih je treba kopat in česat pa še grizejo povrhu
[11:52] <yang> hehe
[11:52] <yang> baterijski psi
[11:52] <yang> samo lajajo
[11:53] <yang> pa nic od njih
[11:53] <anny_> pokemon je iz mode
[11:53] <anny_> ali kaj je že bila tista igrača?
[11:53] <yang> tisto, ko nisi smel pozabit nafutrat ga
[11:53] <yang> ko jeumrl
[11:53] <yang> ce si pozabil
[11:53] <anny_> ja to
[11:53] <CrazyLemon> tamagoči
[11:53] <yang> si ga moral 3x dnevno hranit
[11:53] <anny_> evo vse veste
[11:54] <anny_> furby
[11:54] <CrazyLemon> nečakinja ga ima sedaj.. malce bl moderni so sedaj
[11:54] <yang> ja, sej v bistvu te navadi neke discipline kot otroka
[11:54] <anny_> interaktivni stane tam 80€
[11:54] <napsy> ti da eno dozo elektrosoka ce je lacen? :)
[11:54] <yang> hehe
[11:55] <anny_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAZ8QG8uz9I
[11:55] <Seniorita> New Furby 2012 - Overview - YouTube
[11:55] <Seniorita> »Official Hasbro intro video for the new Furby 2012 Edition! For a full preview, visit http://www.squidoo.com/new-furby-2012 To see all 10 colors, go to http:...«
[11:56] <yang> to moram kupit sestricni
[11:56] <anny_> a si nor...
[11:56] <yang> mejhna je se
[11:57] <yang> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4CV9LebIa8 hahha, wake up
[11:57] <Seniorita> New Furby Dances to Gangnam Style - YouTube
[11:57] <Seniorita> »WHY DOES THIS VIDEO HAVE 2 MILLION+ VIEWS. The world may never know. ------------- Q&A!! Q: You don't know how to wake up your Furby! A: That's because at th...«
[12:01] <anny_> hud je:)
[12:03] <anny_> grem...lp
[13:21] <Seniorita> [Web Upd8] Andrew: How To Stream To Twitch From Linux Using OBS Studio http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/webupd8/~3/hGO3AdJ9XJU/how-to-stream-to-twitch-from-linux.html
[14:37] <CrazyLemon> ¸http://www.rtl-sdr.com/stealing-encryption-keys-from-pcs-using-software-defined-radio-and-unintentional-electromagnetic-emissions/
[14:37] <Seniorita> Stealing Encryption Keys from PCs using Software Defined Radio and Unintentional Electromagnetic Emissions - rtl-sdr.com
[14:37] <Seniorita> »Tel Alviv University researchers D. Genkin, L. Pachmanox, I. Pipman and E. Tromer have released a paper this year detailing their research on extracting encryption keys from PCs via their unintentional radio emissions. They say that they have been able to demonstrate their work by extracting encryption keys from GnuPG on laptops within seconds by using their …«
[14:47] <CrazyLemon> http://www.siol.net/sportal/kolesarstvo/po_sloveniji/novice/2015/06/kolesarje_najbogatejse_ekipe_na_svetu_v_ljubljani_zaustavila_policija.aspx
[14:47] <Seniorita> Kolesarje najbogatejše ekipe na svetu v Ljubljani zaustavila policija | Po Sloveniji - Planet Siol.net
[14:47] <Seniorita> »Na zadnjem treningu pred začetkom kolesarske dirke Po Sloveniji je kolesarje ekipe Sky zaustavila policija, ker se niso peljali po kolesarski stezi.«
[14:47] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie ^
[14:47] <idioterna> edin prov
[14:48] <zdobbie> JUSTICE
[14:48] <idioterna> te kolesarji mislnjo da zanje zakon ne vela
[14:48] <CrazyLemon> mhm
[14:51] <zdobbie> fotke bi rad mel
[15:15] <yang> jebemum. zarad kolesarjev zaprto celo tromostovje
[15:15] <yang> ze od petka ga serjejo
[15:21] <Seniorita> [Web Upd8] Andrew: Fresh Player Plugin Gets Hardware Accelerated Video Decoding Via VA-API And VDPAU http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/webupd8/~3/IXUri980GI0/fresh-player-plugin-gets-hardware.html
[15:26] <CrazyLemon> že od petka? prejšnji teden je bila franja..tokrat je DPS
[15:26] <CrazyLemon> petek = noobs, tokrat = pros
[15:33] <yang> optimist http://jp.si/Sup/Sup2.jpg
[16:26] <zdobbie_> zakaj si moram zej kle vrat lomit
[17:28] <yang> NSFW http://jp.si/Flyingtits.webm
[17:32] <zdobbie> http://i.imgur.com/wbdfavp.jpg
[17:34] <CrazyLemon> i aint clickin' on flying tits from jp.si
[17:58] <idioterna> https://i.imgur.com/1BkN6Qr.gifv je zihr bl hot, pa se nsfw ni
[17:59] <yang> bl hot ? ti rabis ocala
[18:00] <zdobbie> ti rabis bit ne tolk chauvinist
[18:02] <idioterna> kolk g pa pullajo uni flying tits?
[18:02] <yang> baje da je tak loop okol 1-2 G , vertikalen pa do 4g
[18:02] <idioterna> tle ni nobenga loopa
[18:03] <yang> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobatic_maneuver#/media/File:Loop1.gif
[18:03] <Seniorita> Aerobatic maneuver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[18:03] <yang> takle je 4g
[18:03] <idioterna> kako si pa to zracunu
[18:03] <yang> povedal mi je en k vozi avion
[18:03] <idioterna> narobe ti je povedu
[18:04] <yang> zakaj ?
[18:04] <yang> kolk pa je ?
[18:05] <idioterna> odvisno od tega kolk mocno potegnes k seb palco
[18:05] <yang> verjetno je mislu povprecje
[18:05] <idioterna> dunno
[18:05] <yang> James Bond prenese 18G
[18:05] <yang> sam mors met pol specialno uro pr seb
[18:06] <yang> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhPV8BSEXPU
[18:06] <Seniorita> There is a centrifugal bond present - YouTube
[18:06] <Seniorita> »(Roger) Moore is less«
[18:07] <idioterna> nah
[18:07] <idioterna> ne rabs
[18:07] <idioterna> to je sam reklama.
[18:11] <yang> Ja Rolexi so itak bolj povprecne ure
[18:11] <yang> oz. Omege, Bond ima Omege
[18:12] <idioterna> moj telefon ma bl natancno uro k vsa ta sara
[18:12] <yang> ja, sam telefona nimas na zapestnici okol roke skoz
[18:12] <yang> verjetn tut obstaja ze tak telefon, k je v velikosti ure, k jo je mel dick tracy
[18:12] <CrazyLemon> http://www.siol.net/novice/slovenija/2015/06/obalna_cesta.aspx
[18:12] <Seniorita> Obalna cesta bo postala enosmerna | Slovenija - Planet Siol.net
[18:12] <CrazyLemon> lol!
[18:12] <Seniorita> »Po napovedih koprskega župana Borisa Popoviča bo obalna cesta postala enosmerna. Dopoldne bo promet tekel iz smeri Izole proti Kopru, popoldne pa v obratni smeri.«
[18:13] <CrazyLemon> 2018 pa bomo po obalni cesti lahko vozili samo tisti ki imamo liho številko!
[18:14] <CrazyLemon> coz that makes sense!
[18:16] <yang> CrazyLemon: pol bo pa spet tko kt je blo v Jugi na obali
[18:16] <yang> lihi pa sodi dnevi
[18:16] <yang> se dobro da imate doma garazo z dvemi avti, se boste lahko vsak dan vozil !
[18:16] <CrazyLemon> yang edino prav.. vsaj manj zmede bo na cesti kot pa dopoldne/popoldne :)
[18:17] <CrazyLemon> yang to velja samo če drug avto ima sodo številko :)
[18:17] <yang> to samo pomeni v bistvu, da boste moral vsi kupit vinjete, tko kot smo jih moral v Ljubljani zaradi obvoznice...
[18:17] <yang> Ce ne bi bila obvoznica na vinjeto, je jaz ne bi kupil
[18:17] <CrazyLemon> js ne hodim na obvoznico
[18:17] <CrazyLemon> pa imam vinjeto
[18:17] <yang> no jst je ne bi rabil
[18:17] <yang> bi sel lahko po stari cesti na morje
[18:18] <yang> ampak ze ce hocem it do crnuc iz bezigrada, morm za Rondo imet vinjeto
[18:18] <yang> mislim da je znak tam ko zapeles na rondo
[19:21] <zdobbie> kul je tole https://youtu.be/aQONtYjDlMw?t=18m05s
[19:21] <Seniorita> Svetlana Kapanina - YouTube
[19:21] <Seniorita> »Sochi Olimpic Sky 2015 © Artur Sarkisyan С этой камеры велась прямая трансляция на шоу "ОЛИМПИЙСКОЕ НЕБО" в Сочи 30-31 мая 2015г. СВЕТЛАНА КАПАНИНА: *Абсолют...«
[19:52] <yang> zdobbie: kr ja
[19:52] <zdobbie> wat en understatement
[19:57] <zdobbie> yang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQONtYjDlMw&feature=youtu.be&t=29m15s
[19:57] <Seniorita> Svetlana Kapanina - YouTube
[19:57] <Seniorita> »Sochi Olimpic Sky 2015 © Artur Sarkisyan С этой камеры велась прямая трансляция на шоу "ОЛИМПИЙСКОЕ НЕБО" в Сочи 30-31 мая 2015г. СВЕТЛАНА КАПАНИНА: *Абсолют...«
[19:57] <yang> zdobbie: ceprav zgleda tok zdolgocasna, kt da bi upravljala z bagrom
[19:58] <zdobbie> ... but in air
[19:58] <yang> verjetn je to pocela ze 1000x
[20:02] <yang> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetlana_Kapanina
[20:02] <Seniorita> Svetlana Kapanina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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ubuntu-chat
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"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"CrazyLemon",
"Seniorita",
"Sky[x]",
"anny_",
"dz0ny",
"idioterna",
"jabuk",
"napsy",
"slax0r",
"yang",
"zdobbie",
"zdobbie_",
"zdobersek"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/06/18/%23ubuntu-si.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-si"
}
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-africa
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[06:27] <Kilos> hellooo africa
[06:48] <ariabbas> .
[06:48] <Kilos> hi ariabbas
[06:57] <ariabbas> ;-) Kilos
[06:57] <Kilos> :)
[07:41] <elacheche> o/
[07:41] <Kilos> o/
[07:48] <elacheche> wassup
[07:48] <Kilos> not much
[07:49] <Kilos> too cold to think
[07:52] <Kilos> the namibia rugby team beat tunisia and they a bunch of farmers
[07:55] <elacheche> l000000l.. I'm a not a sport guys x) So I have no idea what are you talking about :D
[07:55] <Kilos> lol
[09:55] <elacheche> sigh
[09:55] <Kilos> what?
[09:57] <elacheche> it's boring x)
[09:57] <Kilos> lol
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.191860
| 2015-06-18T00:00:00 |
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"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Kilos",
"ariabbas",
"elacheche"
],
"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/06/18/%23ubuntu-africa.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-africa"
}
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-vn
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[08:16] <Raven27> i5 m520 sao ko cài được ubuntu nhỉ
[08:16] <SuperLuserv3> Raven27: 2015-06-17 - 18:12:22ICT <lewtds> tell Raven27 add thoải mái magnet luôn
[08:17] <Raven27> this kenel requires an x86-64 cpu, but only detect i686 cpu
[08:17] <Raven27> unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your cpu
[08:18] <Raven27> vẫn cài được win 7 64bit mà nhỉ
[08:18] <lewtds> check bios xem
[08:18] <lewtds> có thể cái cái switch nào đó
[08:19] <KudzuCrab> cài ngon lành
[08:19] <KudzuCrab> Raven27: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:20] <Raven27> làm sao bác Kud
[08:20] <Raven27> ?
[08:20] <KudzuCrab> xem cpu info thế nào ấy
[08:21] <Raven27> để em mò trong bios thử như bác lew nói đã nhé :D
[08:21] <Raven27> mẹ
[08:21] <KudzuCrab> Raven27: nó nói câu kia ở chỗ nào?
[08:22] <Raven27> lúc sáng họp mà ức chế ko chịu dc
[08:22] <Raven27> lúc thì kêu làm đề tài chuyển mã nguồn mở
[08:22] <Raven27> vừa boot lên là văng ra câu đó
[08:24] <Raven27> em hiểu rồi mấy bác
[08:24] <Raven27> :D
[08:25] <Raven27> tìm được 1 trang nước ngoài hướng dẫn fixx rồi
[08:25] <Raven27> thanks bác lew và bác kud nhé
[08:27] <KudzuCrab> kud hả
[08:27] <KudzuCrab> nghe giống kứ* vậy
[08:27] <MrTuxHdb> "ku dờ"
[08:28] * Raven27 thấy giống chữ kut' ay
[08:30] <Raven27> đi cài ubuntu vào lap đây bb mấy thím :D
[08:31] <KudzuCrab> uh huh
[08:54] <wingadium> lewtds cài hộ mấy plugin doku được không, viết mấy trang dùng table khổ quả
[08:55] <wingadium> kiểu màu mè cho table ấy
[11:05] <wingadium> lewtds tên trang wiki có nên để tiếng anh không nhỉ ví dụ cài_đặt_phần_mềm.txt -> install_software.txt MrTuxHdb
[11:07] <lewtds> paste link nó bị escape đúng k?
[11:07] <wingadium> không hệ_diều_hanh_ubuntu
[11:07] <lewtds> đó
[11:07] <lewtds> cái patch hôm trước là để sửa cái này
[11:07] <lewtds> nhưng chưa apply
[11:08] <lewtds> nếu patch okay thì nó sẽ bỏ dấu đúng cách
[11:08] <wingadium> uh huh
[11:08] <lewtds> thành he_dieu_hanh_ubuntu
[11:09] <wingadium> à há, vậy cứ đặt tên thế sau sửa lại được khong
[11:09] <lewtds> yup
[11:10] <wingadium> okie vậy cứ edit đã
[11:30] <wingadium> http://42.112.37.140/doku.php?id=start trang start này ổn chứ
[11:30] <SuperLuserv3> [ start [Ubuntu-VN] ] - 42.112.37.140
[11:31] <KudzuCrab> mmm
[11:31] <KudzuCrab> hơi thiếu thông tin giới thiệu chung và cho người bắt đầu
[11:31] <KudzuCrab> cái cho người bắt đầu thì nhét vào sau được
[11:31] <KudzuCrab> giờ thêm phần giới thiệu 1 chút thôi
[11:31] <KudzuCrab> với cả chữ wikia thì bỏ a đi
[11:31] <KudzuCrab> mà cứ làm
[11:31] <KudzuCrab> có gì mình vô sửa sau
[11:31] <wingadium> okie, kiểu muốn nó thành trang tin tức cập nhật
[11:32] <wingadium> kiểu mainpage wikipedia
[14:06] <vubuntor658> 2 chào các bác
[14:06] <vubuntor658> cho em hỏi có cách để mà wine chạy đc chương trình là sao vậy
[14:08] <lewtds> ?
[14:08] <lewtds> cài vào rồi click đúp?
[14:09] <vubuntor658> tại em muốn biết là sao
[14:09] <vubuntor658> với file nhị phân của window
[14:09] <vubuntor658> sao mà nó lại chạy đc trên linux ấy mà
[14:10] <vubuntor658> wine nó copy hết đoạn mã đó rồi conver sang phải ko bác
[14:10] <lewtds> k
[14:10] <lewtds> bạn có biết về liên kết động k?
[14:10] <vubuntor658> biết
[14:10] <lewtds> okay
[14:10] <lewtds> trên win
[14:10] <lewtds> cái file exe nó sẽ gọi các hàm hệ thống của win để tạo giao diện các thứ
[14:11] <lewtds> bằng cách liên kết động đến thư viện kernel32.dll và user32.dll
[14:11] <vubuntor658> ok :3
[14:11] <vubuntor658> rồi sao nữa bác
[14:11] <lewtds> wine nó liên kết động file exe đến các hàm giả của nó
[14:11] <lewtds> map sang các hàm của linux
[14:12] <vubuntor658> wao
[14:12] <vubuntor658> còn về file exe sao lại chạy trên đc linux hả bác
[14:13] <KudzuCrab> thế tại sao mà nó lại không 'chạy' được?
[14:13] <vubuntor658> tại sao thiếu thư viện hả bác ?
[14:14] <vubuntor658> vậy là file nhị phân của window và linux là cùng chung tính chất
[14:14] <KudzuCrab> nó là cục 0101001110
[14:14] <KudzuCrab> nạp vào là chạy
[14:14] <KudzuCrab> có gì đâu
[14:14] <lewtds> yup, nó đều là code chạy được trên CPU
[14:14] <lewtds> chẳng qua là khác layout một chút thôi
[14:15] <lewtds> wine sẽ parse file exe để lọc ra phần quan trọng
[14:15] <lewtds> và execute
[14:15] <vubuntor658> ồh ôh em hơi hơi hiểu rồi
[14:16] <lewtds> vubuntor658: biết assembly k?
[14:16] <vubuntor658> ok em biết
[14:17] <lewtds> cơ chế nó chủ yếu là ntn
[14:17] <lewtds> khi bạn click đúp một cái file exe
[14:17] <lewtds> thực chất sẽ là chạy lệnh sau
[14:17] <lewtds> $ wine tên_file.exe
[14:17] <lewtds> wine nó mở file đó
[14:17] <vubuntor658> ok
[14:17] <lewtds> parse định dạng PE của exe
[14:18] <lewtds> tìm ra vùng chứa object code (là code assembly đã compile thành mã máy đấy)
[14:18] <lewtds> copy nó vào bộ nhớ của wine
[14:18] <lewtds> sau đó tìm tất cả những lời gọi hàm hệ thống
[14:18] <lewtds> kiểu
[14:19] <lewtds> call 0xABCD
[14:19] <lewtds> trong đó ABCD là địa chỉ của hàm hệ thống windows
[14:19] <lewtds> sửa lại hết ABCD thành địa chỉ đến hàm của riêng wine
[14:19] <lewtds> implement lại hàm của win
[14:20] <lewtds> sau đó jmp đến địa chỉ _start của cục code exe đấy
[14:21] <KudzuCrab> uh huh
[14:23] <lewtds> KudzuCrab: linux còn hỗ trợ a.out k nhỉ?
[14:23] <KudzuCrab> còn
[14:24] <vubuntor658> ok
[14:24] <vubuntor658> :3
[14:25] <lewtds> vubuntor658: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Portable_Executable
[14:25] <SuperLuserv3> [ Portable Executable - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ] - en.wikipedia.org
[14:25] <lewtds> nếu thích tìm hiểu thêm
[14:25] <lewtds> ngày xưa /me còn nhớ là còn có định dạng MZ
[14:25] <lewtds> với một cái định dạng nữa của DOS
[14:25] <lewtds> code k quá được 64kb
[14:26] <vubuntor658> ko ngờ lại phức tạp vậy
[14:26] <KudzuCrab> MZ khá đơn giản
[14:26] <lewtds> à COM
[14:26] <KudzuCrab> btw, 64 là com
[14:26] <KudzuCrab> MZ cho cả win 16 bit
[14:27] <vubuntor658> hèn chi em đọc trong mã wine
[14:27] <vubuntor658> có đoạn 64kb
[14:27] <lewtds> vubuntor658 siêu nhân gớm :3
[14:28] <vubuntor658> em đọc vậy thôi chứ cũng chẵng hiểu lắm :3
[14:28] <vubuntor658> nhờ bác thông não em mới hiểu chút chút
[14:28] <vubuntor658> :3
[14:28] <KudzuCrab> COM gần như chả có format gì
[14:28] <lewtds> COM mình còn phải tự jump
[14:29] <lewtds> tránh cái header = )
[14:29] <KudzuCrab> nó là 1 cục mix cả data lẫn code
[14:29] <vubuntor658> vậy là thằng wine nó import cục exe sau đó thì chỉnh cái cục đó lại trong ram
[14:29] <vubuntor658> tiếp đến là chạy nó phải ko bác
[14:30] <vubuntor658> chỉnh cho hợp với hàm của nó
[14:30] <lewtds> yup
[14:31] <vubuntor658> vậy là cái wine này chẵng khác gì recompiler
[14:32] <lewtds> dynamic linker thì đúng hơn
[14:32] <vubuntor658> ok :3
[14:33] <vubuntor658> vào trong bộ nhớ của wine
[14:33] <lewtds> nói chung
[14:33] <KudzuCrab> không, vào linux
[14:33] <lewtds> bất kỳ một chuỗi byte nào
[14:33] <lewtds> hợp format của CPU
[14:33] <lewtds> đều có thể chạy được
[14:34] <vubuntor658> vậy nếu như chúng ta biến wine thành recompiler sau đó thì biến file exe thành file nhị phân của linux
[14:34] <vubuntor658> chắc ngon hơn ko bác
[14:34] <lewtds> làm được
[14:34] <KudzuCrab> nó có recompile cái gì đâu
[14:34] <lewtds> nhưng để làm gì?
[14:34] <lewtds> KudzuCrab: binary address patching
[14:34] <KudzuCrab> đấy không gọi là recompile
[14:35] <KudzuCrab> arch giống nhau
[14:35] <KudzuCrab> chứ sửa address thì thằng loader nào chả phải làm
[14:37] <vubuntor658> ok binary address patching
[14:41] <vubuntor485> híc
[14:41] <vubuntor485> đang nói hay
[14:41] <vubuntor485> rớt mạng
[14:42] <vubuntor485> vậy là thằng wine nó thực hiện chỉnh sửa dựa trên mã asemly phải ko bác
[14:42] <KudzuCrab> không
[14:42] <KudzuCrab> nó để kệ assembly
[14:43] <KudzuCrab> http://linux.die.net/man/8/ld-linux
[14:43] <SuperLuserv3> [ ld-linux(8): dynamic linker/loader - Linux man page ] - linux.die.net
[14:43] <KudzuCrab> nó giống cái này này
[14:44] <vubuntor485> ồh
[14:47] <vubuntor485> àk nếu vậy hàm giả của mình
[14:47] <vubuntor485> cũng phải có cú pháp tương tự giống hàm thật của nó
[14:47] <vubuntor485> chỉ có điều có thể khác phần ruột
[14:48] <KudzuCrab> hàm giả nào ở đây..
[14:48] <vubuntor485> khi mà mình cung cấp thư viện cho nó đó bác
[14:49] <lewtds> yup
[14:49] <lewtds> interface phải giống hệt
[14:50] <lewtds> https://github.com/wine-mirror/wine/blob/master/dlls/user32/winproc.c
[14:50] <SuperLuserv3> [ wine/winproc.c at master · wine-mirror/wine · GitHub ] - github.com
[14:51] <lewtds> KudzuCrab: là cái đống wine thế vào ý. Gotta go with the flow here :-j
[14:52] <lewtds> wine basically là build lại một cái windows trong linux
[14:53] <KudzuCrab> lewtds: no, me nutzi
[14:58] <vubuntor485> vậy là em đã hiểu
[14:58] <vubuntor485> sao mà wine nặng
[14:58] <vubuntor485> vừa phải dịch mà còn vừa phải chạy
[14:59] <KudzuCrab> nó chạy nhanh hơn bên windows đấy
[15:00] <vubuntor485> ừm
[15:01] <vubuntor485> nhưng mà liên lạc với driver vga của nó sao mà em thây nó hơi tệ
[15:02] <lewtds> KudzuCrab: how so?
[15:02] <KudzuCrab> lewtds: funny er?
[15:02] <lewtds> vubuntor485: nó phải translate API từ Direct3D sang OpenGL
[15:03] <lewtds> có những cái nó k translate được hết, hoặc k thể nhanh bằng
[15:03] <KudzuCrab> lewtds: pure computation có khi nhanh hơn đấy
[15:03] <KudzuCrab> :3
[15:03] <lewtds> thậm chí có những game phụ thuộc vào quirk của driver card đồ họa trên win nó cũng phải bắt chước lại giống hệt
[15:03] <KudzuCrab> scheduling & stuff
[15:04] <lewtds> nhưng nói chung mấy game /me hay chơi đều ổn cả :3
[15:04] <lewtds> đã phá đảo diablo 2 trên wine haha
[15:04] <lewtds> super stable
[15:04] <vubuntor485> :3
[15:04] <vubuntor485> game em chơi thì nói chung lag
[15:04] <vubuntor485> :3
[15:05] <vubuntor485> ko kể là card 2gb mà sử dụng mới có 300mb
[15:06] <lewtds> nvidia hả?
[15:06] <vubuntor485> ok :3
[15:06] <lewtds> đã cài binary driver của nv chưa?
[15:06] <vubuntor485> em dùng nvidia
[15:06] <vubuntor485> đã cài rồi
[15:06] <lewtds> thế chịu
[15:06] <lewtds> cái driver đó là tốt nhất rồi
[15:06] <vubuntor485> wine ko dùng hết hiệu năng anh àk
[15:06] <KudzuCrab> tốt nhất không game
[15:06] <KudzuCrab> muốn hiệu năng tốt thì về windows
[15:06] <KudzuCrab> không chơi game nhỏ nhẹ
[15:06] <lewtds> opengl performance ở một số test còn cao hơn trên win
[15:06] <vubuntor485> em dung steam thì nhảy phát lên 1gb luôn
[15:07] <MrTuxHdb> back to windoof
[15:07] <MrTuxHdb> end story
[15:07] <lewtds> =)
[15:07] <vubuntor485> nói chung thì linux ngon
[15:07] <vubuntor485> :3
[15:07] <MrTuxHdb> linux lởm
[15:07] <lewtds> nah, càng đào sâu sẽ cái thấy nó lởm
[15:07] <MrTuxHdb> chả ai trong này kêu ca windows
[15:07] <vubuntor485> ơ phản động
[15:07] <lewtds> chẳng qua là dùng quen tay rồi
[15:07] <MrTuxHdb> chỉ thấy kêu linux lởm
[15:07] <MrTuxHdb> =))
[15:07] <lewtds> khó bỏ thôi :'(
[15:07] <lewtds> càng thấy*
[15:08] <lewtds> thích ngon mà vẫn unix commandline ngon nghẻ thì sang mac mà chơi
[15:09] <vubuntor485> fps bên linux thì cũng ngon hơn
[15:09] <lewtds> frame per second?
[15:09] <lewtds> tùy driver thôi
[15:09] <vubuntor485> ok :3
[15:09] <lewtds> nói chung là flaky hơn bên win nhiều
[15:11] <vubuntor485> mà game gì bắn súng nặng nặng đó dùng chưa tới 600mb
[15:12] <vubuntor485> nhưng card thì chạy 1gb bật full hiệu ứng
[15:12] <vubuntor485> còn cpu thì lăn tăn có 30
[15:12] <vubuntor485> trong khi cpu của em cũng hơi ghẻ rồi
[15:12] <vubuntor485> còn bên win thì thôi khỏi
[15:13] <lewtds> vài năm nữa driver trên linux mới mong stable được
[15:13] <lewtds> còn h thì cứ win thôi
[15:14] <vubuntor485> em cũng hi vọng steam mạnh hơn để linux ké phần
[15:15] <vubuntor485> bên win thì drx thì mạnh thật ko thể chối cãi
[15:15] <vubuntor485> nhưng mà game hiện tại chưa có game phổ thông nào cần tới đẳng cấp cao như drx hết
[15:16] <vubuntor485> opengl vẫn là lựa chọn tốt nhất
[15:17] <lewtds> đừng nên phán bừa
[15:18] <KudzuCrab> opengl xịn đấy
[15:18] <vubuntor485> ko đâu drx 12 vừa ra rồi anh
[15:18] <vubuntor485> nhìn làn môi y chang như mình nhìn ngoài thật luôn
[15:18] <lewtds> bạn bị marketing lừa rồi = )
[15:19] <lewtds> y chang như ngoài thật thì chục năm trước người ta cũng làm được rồi
[15:19] <KudzuCrab> cái đấy là modelling
[15:19] <KudzuCrab> chứ liên quan gì xịn hay không xịn đâu
[15:20] <lewtds> d3d12 cho phép truy xuất sâu đến phần cứng hơn nên hiệu năng cao hơn
[15:20] <vubuntor485> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGsJXINz0LQ
[15:20] <SuperLuserv3> [ DirectX 12: Full Square Enix Techdemo - Witch Chapter 0 [cry] - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
[15:20] <KudzuCrab> no? :v
[15:20] <KudzuCrab> it's all the same shit
[15:20] <KudzuCrab> nếu hiệu năng cao hơn thì đám CAD nó đã dùng directX rồi
[15:21] <vubuntor485> hiệu năng thì ko cao
[15:21] <KudzuCrab> enterprise toàn OpenGL thôi
[15:21] <lewtds> KudzuCrab: d3d12 là một cái api thiết kế lại gần như hoàn toàn luôn eh
[15:21] <vubuntor485> nhưng lại đc cái đẹp
[15:21] <KudzuCrab> nên card quadro nó mới đắt lòi mắt ra
[15:21] <KudzuCrab> lewtds: performance của GPU khó nói lắm
[15:21] <vubuntor485> chuẩn đòi hỏi cứng cao quá
[15:21] <lewtds> nhưng phe opengl cũng có vulkan
[15:21] <lewtds> sắp ra
[15:21] <lewtds> cạnh tranh trực tiếp luôn
[15:21] <KudzuCrab> thực ra GPU cũng chỉ là 1 đống stream processor
[15:22] <lewtds> thing is
[15:22] <lewtds> cả opengl lẫn d3d11 đều có quá nhiều overhead
[15:22] <KudzuCrab> như là?
[15:22] <lewtds> nên nó mới đẻ ra 2 thằng kia
[15:22] <lewtds> they are both heavy abstraction layers
[15:23] <KudzuCrab> not really
[15:23] <KudzuCrab> OpenGL performance cực cao
[15:23] <KudzuCrab> chỉ là nó là -> state machine
[15:23] <KudzuCrab> nên không group calling được
[15:23] <KudzuCrab> mm
[15:23] <KudzuCrab> hình như OpenGL 3 có cái đấy rồi
[15:23] <KudzuCrab> dạng store command ở server để process lại
[15:23] <KudzuCrab> okay
[15:23] <KudzuCrab> đang bận
[15:23] <KudzuCrab> tí xử lý sau
[15:25] <vubuntor984> nói chung thì dx12 giờ đang dẫn trc opengl
[15:25] <vubuntor984> nhưng nếu mang đi lập trình thì em chọn opengl
[15:25] <vubuntor984> vì đa hệ điều hành
[15:25] <KudzuCrab> 2 cái mục tiêu khác nhau đấy
[15:25] <vubuntor984> + hiệu năng cao
[15:25] <KudzuCrab> nhưng giờ nó converge rồi
[15:25] <lewtds> vubuntor485: lập trình opengl thực sự là pain in the ass
[15:26] <lewtds> vubuntor984: performance của vulkan này
[15:26] <lewtds> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hth4u65zfc
[15:26] <SuperLuserv3> [ DOTA 2 on Source 2 Engine on Linux using new Vulkan API - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
[15:27] <lewtds> chạy vs card builtin của CPU intel
[15:27] <lewtds> bad news is
[15:28] <lewtds> code cho cả D3D12 lẫn vulkan đều painful hơn cả 2 api thế hệ trước
[15:28] <lewtds> super verbose
[15:28] <vubuntor984> wao
[15:29] <vubuntor984> nhìn đẹp
[15:29] <vubuntor984> vậy thằng này là một thằng riêng nữa
[15:29] <vubuntor984> hay là một api trung gian thôi hả bác
[15:29] <lewtds> yup, thay thế opengl
[15:30] <vubuntor984> ồh vậy là thay thế tất cả
[15:31] <lewtds> GPU có thể coi là một cái máy tính thứ 2
[15:31] <lewtds> nằm bên trong PC của bạn
[15:31] <lewtds> bh muốn vẽ lên đấy
[15:31] <lewtds> thì phải có cách để gửi lệnh lên GPU
[15:32] <lewtds> mấy cái API này đóng vai trò trung gian
[15:32] <vubuntor984> ok :3
[15:32] <lewtds> lệnh opengl/direct3d cũng k phải là gửi trực tiếp lên GPU đâu
[15:32] <lewtds> mà nó sẽ qua driver
[15:33] <lewtds> driver translate nó thành một dạng ngôn ngữ nữa của riêng hãng sản xuất
[15:33] <lewtds> kiểu dạng compile code C ra binary ý
[15:33] <vubuntor984> ý em hỏi là cái api vulkan
[15:33] <lewtds> binary của ARM khác của Intel
[15:33] <vubuntor984> là nó từ opengl ra hay gì
[15:33] <lewtds> rồi mới đẩy qua bus đến GPU
[15:34] <lewtds> cùng một hội đồng thiết kế
[15:34] <lewtds> nhưng nói chung là làm lại gần như hoàn toàn
[15:34] <vubuntor984> ok :3
[15:36] <vubuntor984> nếu vậy ngon . nhất là thời đại game web dùng opengl
[15:36] <lewtds> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzcTUG8RT-M
[15:36] <SuperLuserv3> [ Vulkan™ API on Intel® Graphics - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
[15:36] <vubuntor984> còn dùng của win thì làm nguyên cái web chỉ chạy đc mỗi win
[15:37] <lewtds> cả vulkan lẫn d3d12 đều "inspired by" AMD Mantle
[15:38] <vubuntor984> nếu vậy là driver muốn hỗ trợ vulkan thì mình phải viết hoặc hãng hỗ trợ phải ko bác
[15:38] <lewtds> yup, phải có driver hỗ trợ
[15:39] <vubuntor984> chà chắc em suốt đời cứ opengl 4 hoài luôn quá
[15:40] <lewtds> bad news
[15:41] <lewtds> là cả vulkan lẫn d3d12 đều khác nhau quá nhiều so với thế hệ trước
[15:41] <lewtds> nên nếu đã viết app target 2 cái này
[15:41] <lewtds> thì chỉ có thể chạy được trên hệ thống siêu siêu mới :3
[15:42] <lewtds> trừ khi bạn dùng một cái 3d framework nào đó nó abstract lớp 3d api
[15:42] <lewtds> để có thể switch ở runtime
[15:42] <vubuntor984> chẵng khác nào tự sát =]]]zzz
[15:43] <vubuntor984> thật ra em nghĩ mấy cái card chạy chỉ chạy đc dx9
[15:43] <vubuntor984> là do driver của nó giới hạn
[15:43] <vubuntor984> chứ nếu có người viết driver lại thì chắc nó cũng chạy đc dx11
[15:44] <vubuntor984> hoặc 10
[15:44] <lewtds> yup
[15:44] <lewtds> nhưng dx9 và dx10 là một bước nhảy lớn về kiến trúc api
[15:44] <lewtds> và yêu cầu một số hỗ trợ đặc biệt từ phía card
[15:45] <vubuntor984> đặc biệt ? tốc độ ?
[15:45] <lewtds> GPU hỗ trợ dx10 phải được thiết kế riêng
[15:46] <vubuntor984> em lại nghĩ thì cũng chỉ là tín hiệu bit ko cần thiết kế riêng cứ mạnh là đc
[15:46] <lewtds> k đơn giản thế đâu = )
[15:46] <lewtds> nó giống như i386 chuyển sang amd64 ý
[15:47] <vubuntor984> đòi hỏi luồng ra với màn hình đủ tốc độ hay gì bác
[15:47] <vubuntor984> để nó đc đẹp hơn. còn nếu ko đủ luồng thì giật hoặc xấu hơn
[15:47] * lewtds k rõ chính xác
[15:48] <lewtds> nhưng nhớ k nhầm thì
[15:48] <lewtds> dx9 dùng single pipeline
[15:48] <lewtds> còn dx10 trở đi là multiple programable pipeline
[15:48] <lewtds> s*
[15:48] <vubuntor984> nếu vậy cũng đòi hỏi màn hình nữa
[15:49] <lewtds> màn hình thì k
[15:49] <lewtds> cắm gì vào chả được
[15:49] <vubuntor984> ko thì bật dx 12 lên nhìn cứ như là dx 9
[15:49] <vubuntor984> phải chứ bác
[15:49] <vubuntor984> cái full hd
[15:49] <vubuntor984> còn cái ko full nhìn sao net
[15:50] <lewtds> lol
[15:51] <vubuntor984> chuẩn rồi mốt em cũng mua con full hd về mới đc . chứ game thiết kế full hd mà mình cứ dùng con crt ghẻ sao đc
[15:51] <vubuntor984> :v :v
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[17:11] <zequence> midsummer festivities coming up, so I won't be very active for a couple of days :P
[17:11] <zequence> Not with development, anyway
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2015-06-18-#juju-dev
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[00:03] <waigani> wallyworld: can you cast your eyes over this when you have a moment: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1955 (ignoring unknown tools)
[00:03] <wallyworld> already looking
[00:05] <waigani> thanks :)
[00:16] <thumper> davecheney: got a minute?
[00:17] <thumper> davecheney: nm...
[00:17] <wallyworld> thumper: free now
[00:17] <thumper> wallyworld: let me try something first...
[00:18] <wallyworld> ok
[00:18] <mwhudson> davecheney: do you know why this happens? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11733285/
[00:19] <mwhudson> (trivial is a GOARCH=arm binary)
[00:39] <davecheney> thumper: whats up
[00:39] <thumper> davecheney: I was going to talk to you about dumping the logs on timeouts, but I have another approach right now
[00:39] * thumper is deep in it
[00:39] <davecheney> mwhudson: first guess, alignment
[00:40] <davecheney> hmm, not that, that's aligned properly
[00:40] <mwhudson> mm
[00:41] <mwhudson> yeah, no functions that have the same alignment get disassembled ok
[00:41] <mwhudson> bah grammer
[00:41] <mwhudson> it seems everything before main.main gets disassembled ok
[00:41] <mwhudson> maybe thumb/arm confusion?
[00:42] <mwhudson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11733349/ <- i wonder what that ... is hiding
[00:46] * mwhudson reads binutils, is not enlightened
[00:47] <davecheney> that never helps
[00:48] <thumper> FFFAAAAARRRRRKKKKKK
[00:48] <thumper> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
[00:48] <davecheney> ??
[00:48] <thumper> I think I have found the cause of the deadlock test
[00:48] <thumper> and it harks back to a worker not created properly
[00:48] <thumper> not using the agent config for the logdir
[00:48] * mwhudson has a super bad feeling
[00:49] <thumper> damnit...
[00:50] <thumper> perhaps not...
[00:50] * thumper digs some mroe
[00:50] <davecheney> thumper: surely we don't need the rsyslog worker churning in the background all the time
[00:50] <mwhudson> davecheney: i think it's 'marker symbols'
[00:50] <mwhudson> to indicate thumb, data or arm
[00:50] <davecheney> mwhudson: O_O
[00:51] <thumper> no...
[00:51] <mwhudson> $a/$t/$d
[00:51] <davecheney> oh those buggers
[00:51] <thumper> davecheney: while that sucks, it isn't the cause of this problem
[00:51] <mwhudson> davecheney: they end up in the stuff from runtime/cgo
[00:51] <davecheney> and their friends $f and $t
[00:51] <thumper> davecheney: this is a naked channel write
[00:51] <mwhudson> and the last one is a $d i guess?
[00:53] <axw> thumper: I'm here now
[00:53] <thumper> ok this is definitely the problem
[00:53] <thumper> axw: that's ok, don't need you now :)
[00:54] <axw> excellent
[00:56] <mwhudson> davecheney: yes, that's the problem
[00:56] <thumper> I'm pretty sure I can make the tests pass and not block, but I have a feeling the blocking may still happen in the wild
[00:56] <mwhudson> i guess i can use objcopy to remove them all...
[00:59] <davecheney> mwhudson: what do marker symbosl do ?
[00:59] <davecheney> shift obdump into another 'mode' or something ?
[00:59] <mwhudson> yes, exactly
[00:59] <mwhudson> $a == what follows is arm insns
[01:00] <mwhudson> $d == what follows is data
[01:00] <mwhudson> $t == what follows is thumb
[01:00] <mwhudson> i don't know if anything other than objdump cares about them
[01:02] <mwhudson> given that GOARCH=arm uses constant pools after the insns, would be nice to generate them
[01:03] <mwhudson> i'll file a bug and see what minux says :-)
[01:04] <davecheney> i think we already go to some length to strip them out
[01:05] <mwhudson> ah!
[01:05] <mwhudson> this is external linking only i bet
[01:06] <mwhudson> yeah, ldelf ignores them
[01:06] <mwhudson> well not $t, that's a bug i guess
[01:07] <mwhudson> alternatively, i wonder if we can stop gcc making them
[01:07] <axw> wallyworld: hey sorry I missed the standup. I'll set aside volume destruction today and work on that relation-set bug for 1.24.1
[01:08] <wallyworld> axw: np, ty. just reviewing the last branch so you could land those also in the background
[01:08] <thumper> damn...
[01:08] <thumper> that isn't it
[01:08] <axw> wallyworld: cool, thanks
[01:09] <axw> wallyworld: shouldn't be too far off now. need to update state to mark entities as Dead (possibly another big branch), and then the last big piece will be adding the lifespan binding
[01:09] <axw> then a couple of bits and pieces
[01:09] <wallyworld> and CLI for persistent volume mgmt
[01:11] <axw> wallyworld: oh yeah, UI should be fairly trivial I think.
[01:11] <wallyworld> i think so too
[01:13] <davecheney> thumper: how do I turn up the logging output fora tes
[01:13] <davecheney> i tried -gocheck.v
[01:13] <davecheney> how do I get the debug output thta we get when a test fails ?
[01:13] <thumper> -gocheck.vv
[01:13] <thumper> two v's means send it straight out
[01:13] <thumper> this is what I'm going through now
[01:14] <natefinch> you need test.v too, or check.v doesn't do anything
[01:20] <thumper> natefinch: wrong
[01:21] <thumper> natefinch: it does do stuff, just perhaps also different with test.v
[01:23] <natefinch> thumper: hrmph... I've definitely had test.v be the difference between no output and some output, when specifying check.vv ..but maybe it was a different scenario
[01:30] <natefinch> thumper: I was t hinking about proposing adding something like the hookLogger directly to loggo, since I want to do the same thing for the workload process plugins (i.e. redirect stdout to a loggo log). What do you think? Here's the hookLogger for reference: https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/worker/uniter/runner/logger.go#L23
[01:30] <thumper> natefinch: I'm kinda deep in debugging right now
[01:31] <natefinch> thumper: np
[01:42] <axw> wallyworld: in your review you said "update the CI tests" -- are they in already?
[01:42] <wallyworld> axw: no yet but soon. i should have added "when they're done"
[01:42] <axw> wallyworld: ok
[01:42] <wallyworld> we'll create a card for next week
[01:43] <axw> wallyworld: can't do a feature test until we have the last two big pieces done. I'll make a card for it
[01:43] <wallyworld> np, ty. i expected we may need to wait
[01:51] <mup> Bug #1466269 opened: bootstrap instance started but did not change to Deployed <bootstrap> <maas> <windows> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466269>
[01:51] <mup> Bug #1466272 opened: Remove{Volume,Filesystem} etc. should behave like other Remove methods w.r.t. NotFound <storage> <tech-debt> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466272>
[02:00] <davecheney> thumper: fix coming for 1466011
[02:01] <davecheney> it's a problem with the test suite helper that sets up the apiserver and creates a mock api.Info
[02:13] <wallyworld> axw: so with that worker loop log change - won't that mean we log twice in production?
[02:14] <axw> wallyworld: yes. I can remove it, I'll just add it back in if I need to when testing
[02:14] <wallyworld> ty
[02:14] <wallyworld> maybe we can change test setup to show error
[02:15] <axw> wallyworld: with rootfs's DestroyFilesystems, it could be made into a no-op but I don't know if we should. it could remove the directory we create in the agent's storage dir. I think sabdfl wanted stuff to be left behind though, for post-mortems
[02:16] <wallyworld> axw: won't unmount be sad though if you try and use it against a dir that is not mounted?
[02:16] <davecheney> thumper: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2590
[02:16] <davecheney> menn0: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2590
[02:17] <axw> wallyworld: I don't understand your question. I'm not talking about Detach (which does umount), I'm talking about Destroy. currently Destroy does nothing.
[02:17] <wallyworld> axw: oh sorry, thought we were taling about detach
[02:17] <axw> wallyworld: bad segue :)
[02:18] <axw> wallyworld: Create will create a directory in the agent's storage dir. Attach will bind-mount (if possible). Detach will umount. Destroy does nothing atm
[02:18] <wallyworld> that sounds reasonable for rootfs
[02:19] <axw> wallyworld: only risk with that is that people will fill up their rootfs with crap, and it'll never get cleaned up even if they destroy the storage
[02:19] <wallyworld> axw: bind-mount is used to map to different user specified location. but what if they don't ask for that mapping, then they acess the dir on rootfs directly right?
[02:21] <axw> wallyworld: we create something like "/var/lib/juju/agent/<x>/storage/<backing>", then "mount --bind" that into the location specified in the charm, or the path that juju generates
[02:22] <axw> wallyworld: if mount --bind fails (e.g. strict LXC/AppArmor), then we just give them the latter location if (a) it's on the rootfs, and (b) it's empty
[02:22] <wallyworld> axw: right, so my question is if there's no locaton specified in the charm, we just hand that created dir straight to the charm i think don't we
[02:22] <axw> wallyworld: we do the bind-mount-or-else regardless of whether hte location is specified
[02:23] <axw> wallyworld: we could probably skip it if the location is unspecified, but the code's a bit simpler this way
[02:23] <wallyworld> ok, that i couldn't recall off hand. i was worried about if we didn't bind mount, then detach would fail when we tried to unmount
[02:24] <axw> wallyworld: that's why we check whether the location has the same mount-point as its parent dir. if it does, then it's not a bind mount
[02:24] <axw> wallyworld: and in that case detach is a no-op
[02:24] <wallyworld> sounds good
[02:24] <axw> wallyworld: that also covers the case where we *did* bind mount, but we already detached; i.e. detach is idempotent
[02:24] <wallyworld> and that's all tested?
[02:24] <wallyworld> yep
[02:25] <axw> wallyworld: I have tested that in the past. the latest code is only tested in unit tests. I'll test it more rigorously when the bits are in place to mark things as dying etc.
[02:25] <wallyworld> sure, ok
[02:27] <axw> wallyworld: oops, I already merged the log message. I'll do another branch to take it out
[02:28] <wallyworld> axw: just do it as a driveby
[02:28] <wallyworld> not that critical
[02:28] <axw> wallyworld: ok, I'll do it when I update the code to destroy filesystems
[02:28] <wallyworld> sounds good
[02:31] <axw> wallyworld: would you mind also reviewing http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1952? pretty straight forward one
[02:31] <wallyworld> sure
[02:32] <menn0> davecheney: looking
[02:33] <wallyworld> axw: why remove environmanager = true?
[02:33] <axw> wallyworld: it's set by default in SetUpTest
[02:34] <wallyworld> ok
[02:36] <wallyworld> axw: done
[02:37] <axw> wallyworld: thanks
[02:44] <thumper> davecheney: I think since you referenced a previos reviewboard thingy, it didn't add a new one
[02:44] <thumper> davecheney: reviewing on GH
[02:44] <thumper> davecheney: shipit
[02:45] <davecheney> thumper: sorry lost contex
[02:45] <davecheney> my machine rebooted
[02:46] <thumper> davecheney: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2590
[02:46] <davecheney> thumper: please review the comments here http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1962/
[02:48] <davecheney> specifically my claims that we never write a bind all address into the jenv files
[02:50] <thumper> ah fuckit
[02:50] * thumper is a dumb arse
[02:50] <davecheney> ?
[02:50] <thumper> the blocking
[02:50] <thumper> that I thought I fixed
[02:50] <thumper> I realised why my fix didn't
[02:51] <thumper> davecheney: yes we never write bind all addresses to teh jenv
[02:55] <jw4> waigani: thanks :)
[02:55] <davecheney> thumper: that's what I though
[02:55] <davecheney> the test had caused the code to change to accomodate it
[02:55] <waigani> jw4: np
[02:57] <thumper> davecheney: am I right in recalling there is no way to see if a channel is closed before trying to send stuff down it?
[02:57] <davecheney> thumper: that is correct
[02:57] <davecheney> but the cororraly is only the sender should close a channel
[02:58] <davecheney> if you have a channel, which you don't own (don' thave the rights to close), then that is the bug
[02:59] <thumper> the tests are hanging because the cert updater is trying to tell the api server that the cert has changed
[02:59] <thumper> but I don't think the apiserver is listening any more
[02:59] <thumper> it is a buffered channel, with 1 entry
[02:59] <thumper> and this is the second change event...
[02:59] <thumper> so it blocks
[03:00] <thumper> which means the certupdater worker doesn't finish
[03:00] <thumper> which means the agent doesn't finish
[03:02] <davecheney> thumper: if a channle is closed the sender will panic
[03:02] <davecheney> do you want a non blockgin send ?
[03:03] <thumper> no, I want to work out why the apiserver isn't consuming the change event
[03:03] <thumper> I can make the tests pass by not running the cert change worker
[03:03] <thumper> which a number of other tests do
[03:03] <davecheney> fair
[03:03] <thumper> but I want to know why, because this may happen in the real world
[03:03] <davecheney> thumper: can I press you for a review of http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1962/
[03:03] <davecheney> sorry menn0, no offence
[03:04] <menn0> davecheney: i've just responded to and dropped those issues.
[03:04] <menn0> davecheney: but another set of eyes wouldn't hurt
[03:04] <davecheney> cooll
[03:04] <davecheney> thanks for the review
[03:04] <davecheney> if I submit this
[03:04] <davecheney> how can I check
[03:04] <davecheney> when will I know if it's fixed ?
[03:05] <thumper> it looks ok to me...
[03:05] <thumper> I am curious though
[03:06] <thumper> about '127.0.0.1' vs localhost
[03:06] <thumper> AIUI localhost will be [::] with IPv6
[03:06] <davecheney> false
[03:06] <davecheney> it is ::1
[03:06] <thumper> ah
[03:06] <thumper> anyway...
[03:06] <davecheney> the problem is if uou have a net.Listner
[03:06] <davecheney> no
[03:06] <davecheney> you do
[03:06] <thumper> do we need the listener in the base test to support ipv4 and v6?
[03:07] <davecheney> l, _ := net.Listen("tcp", ":0")
[03:07] <davecheney> the address reported by l.Addr(), will be a wildcard address
[03:07] <davecheney> there is no way to convert that into a dialable addresss
[03:07] <davecheney> see my second comment
[03:08] <davecheney> we can bind to a wildcard address and then assume localhost points back to the wildcard (safe assumption) if you like
[03:08] <davecheney> what confuses me, is whatever logic writes out the jenv file, must not use server.Addr(), because that was previosly hard coded to be "localhost:35687" (port number guessed)
[03:35] <thumper> have I mentioned recently how completely fucking crazy our codebase is?
[03:37] <thumper> I'm feeling the need to go to the gym and pound on a heavy bag
[03:37] * thumper feels the rage rising
[03:41] * davecheney pats thumpers shoulder, soothinglu
[03:49] * thumper breathes deeply
[03:53] <davecheney> thumper: what can I do to help ?
[03:54] <thumper> nothing right now
[03:58] <davecheney> i have my shotgun at the ready
[03:59] <thumper> davecheney: in which case, shoot our watcher infrastructure
[04:00] <thumper> because it is truly shite
[04:00] * thumper crosses fingers
[04:01] <thumper> I *think* I may have it
[04:02] <thumper> ok...
[04:02] <thumper> for the first time since I started looking, I got the test to pass 5 times in a row
[04:02] <thumper> previous failure rate was 20-33%
[04:02] <thumper> running 20 times now
[04:02] <thumper> BTW, our code is shite
[04:03] <thumper> and distributed, asynchronous, parallel, real life network systems are fucking hard to get right
[04:03] <thumper> I feel the likelihood of success raising
[04:04] <thumper> 9 passes in a row
[04:09] * thumper submits fix
[04:14] <thumper> http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1964/
[04:14] <thumper> for the curious
[04:14] <thumper> davecheney: you are reviewer right?
[04:17] <davecheney> reviewing
[04:17] * thumper runs out to collect daughter
[04:17] * thumper pauses
[04:18] * thumper runs again
[04:19] <davecheney> thumper: i dunno
[04:19] <davecheney> this looks like it's fixing the symptoms, not treating the cause
[04:37] <menn0> thumper: I agree with davecheney, that fix seems like a band aid to me
[04:38] <menn0> thumper: great that you figured out the problem though. that's friggin awesome.
[04:39] <davecheney> thumper: i'm also concerned that the pr description metnionds channel sends and bare writes
[04:40] <davecheney> but the patch doesn't make any change in that respect
[04:40] <davecheney> either the code, or the diagnosis, or the description are wrong
[04:48] <menn0> thumper: i've just had a dig and i see that fixing this properly is going to be somewhat harder
[04:49] <menn0> thumper: i reckon merge the fix so far and then add a card to do a better fix next iteration
[04:50] <menn0> thumper: Susanna has a meeting now so I have dad duties
[04:51] <menn0> thumper: but I will do some more work later tonight.
[04:53] <wallyworld> axw: whenever you get a chance http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1965/
[04:53] <axw> wallyworld: awesome! looking
[04:58] <thumper> davecheney: part of the problem was that the way the notify workers are, they don't pass the tomb in to the handle method
[04:58] <thumper> so we can't select on it
[04:59] <thumper> that is a somewhat bigger refactoring
[04:59] <thumper> but perhaps worthwhile
[04:59] <thumper> davecheney: I think one of the biggest issues was trying to work out what the problem is
[04:59] <thumper> davecheney: and the more I think about it, the more I think we should pass the tomb into the handler functions
[05:00] <thumper> davecheney: because anyone doing any channel work in the workers should use it
[05:00] * thumper enfixorates
[05:11] <axw> wallyworld: reviewed
[05:11] <wallyworld> ty
[05:52] <thumper> davecheney: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1964/diff/# now passing the tomb dying channel to the handle func
[05:53] <thumper> davecheney: so to treat the problem not just the symptom
[05:56] * thumper heading out to dinner now
[05:56] <thumper> back later for meetings
[07:24] <davecheney> meanwhile, reviews from the future http://dave.cheney.net/paste/wat.png
[07:25] <dimitern> *lol* "3 minutes from now"
[08:07] <TheMue> good morning and happy birthday, dimitern
[08:09] <dimitern> TheMue, thank you! and good morning indeed :)
[08:09] <TheMue> dimitern: want to continue our ipaddress id discussion?
[08:11] <TheMue> dimitern: the current id may not be unique for future solutions, so we have to change it anyway. and the output for logging could be done by a fine String() on IPAddress
[08:12] <TheMue> dimitern: also the id has the only role to identify one record, finding those matching some criteria is task of a query
[08:12] <TheMue> dimitern: so far ok?
[08:14] <dimitern> TheMue, I think we should get "ipaddress-<space>-<value>" implemented as a tag, space can be hardcoded to "default" for now
[08:14] <TheMue> dimitern: where value is the ip address or hostname?
[08:15] <TheMue> dimitern: could it be possible to have multiple same named spaces in one database in the future?
[08:18] <thumper> davecheney: still around?http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1964/
[08:19] <dimitern> TheMue, the value is either an ip or hostname, yes
[08:20] <TheMue> dimitern: so my questions remains, while a value is unique for a space, could the combination of space and value be double in one database?
[08:21] <dimitern> TheMue, however... hmm to make it easier to parse (as space names can have dashes in them, as can hostnames), let's use "ipaddress-<space>@<value>" ?
[08:21] <dimitern> TheMue, no it should not be possible
[08:22] <dimitern> TheMue, we can have "ipaddress-default@localhost", but that's just stupid to store in state
[08:24] <dimitern> a local-machine scoped address/hostname cannot participate in a space
[08:24] <thumper> fwereade: ping
[08:24] <TheMue> dimitern: ok, reasonable
[08:25] <thumper> fwereade: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/chat and http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1964/diff/#
[08:25] <dimitern> as it defeats the purpose of the space being a collection of interchangeable subnets which can see each other
[08:25] <TheMue> dimitern: thought about fwereade 's arguments for having a generated unique key, may be UUID but also could be different one?
[08:25] <thumper> o/ dimitern and TheMue
[08:25] <TheMue> dimitern: it will always be unique, regardless what we think about in the future
[08:25] <TheMue> thumper: o/
[08:25] <dimitern> thumper, hey there
[08:27] <dimitern> TheMue, for one, space names are unique - even across environments, as they can be reused by multiple environments once created
[08:28] <thumper> dimitern: really? are you sure?
[08:28] <dimitern> TheMue, about which part?
[08:28] <dimitern> thumper, sorry ^^
[08:28] <thumper> space names unique across environments
[08:28] <thumper> I'm not entirely sure that makes sense
[08:29] <thumper> consider this...
[08:29] <fwereade> thumper, o/
[08:29] <dimitern> yes, as the point is for the admin to set them up once and then they can be discovered for new envs
[08:29] <thumper> bob in environment A in system B creates space C
[08:29] <TheMue> dimitern: if env foo has space bar and env yadda has space bar?
[08:29] <thumper> mary in environment D in system E creates space C
[08:29] <thumper> bob's env A migrated to system E
[08:29] <thumper> boom
[08:29] <thumper> fwereade: in the hangout
[08:30] <dimitern> spaces are bound to the underlying substrate, not to an environment per se
[08:30] * TheMue still prefers keys with global unique ids
[08:30] <dimitern> e.g. space "foo" means in AWS a bunch of subnets with tag "juju-space-foo"
[08:31] <dimitern> however, if we have environments on different substrates, they can have the same space names I guess
[08:32] <fwereade> dimitern, please just use an opaque key
[08:32] <dimitern> TheMue, ok, I'm convinced - let's go with: 1) add a UUID field to ipaddressesDoc (and a unique index on it), 2) upgrade step to generate one if missing, 3) use "ipaddress-<uuid>" for tag format, 4) finish the addresser and change other workers that use api + addresses to use tags
[08:33] <TheMue> dimitern: +1, will do (and add cards)
[08:34] <dimitern> TheMue, cheers
[09:01] <TheMue> omw btw, but hangput dislikes me :(
[09:03] <TheMue> dimitern: voidspace: dooferlad: same troubles with hangout?
[09:03] <dimitern> TheMue, no, just joined
[09:03] <dooferlad> TheMue: no, but make sure you are using the right link. It isn't the same every day...
[09:04] <TheMue> dooferlad: I've used the one from the mail notification
[09:04] <dooferlad> TheMue: OK, that is odd
[09:04] <TheMue> dooferlad: it hangs at "try to joining the call"
[09:04] <dimitern> jam, fwereade, standup?
[09:04] <TheMue> dooferlad: will restart my browser
[09:05] <jam> on our way
[09:49] <anastasiamac> dimitern: ... ¸¸♬·¯·♩¸¸♪·¯·♫¸¸Happy Birthday To You¸¸♬·¯·♩¸¸♪·¯·♫¸¸ ...
[09:54] <dimitern> anastasiamac, thank you so much :)
[09:56] <anastasiamac> :D
[12:11] <wallyworld> fwereade: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1968/
[12:27] <fwereade> wallyworld, LGTM with a trivial
[12:28] <wallyworld> fwereade: actually, i'm testing on the scenario outlined in the bug and it's broken again with this fix. i've done an install hook that never exists. i'm wondering if this wold have worked in 1.21
[12:29] <fwereade> wallyworld, force-destroy machine always should have, yes
[12:29] <wallyworld> hmmm. i can't see off hand how the latest fix is different from 1.21
[12:29] <fwereade> wallyworld, I suspect that something about the status changes has made possible a db state which breaks unit.Destroy
[12:30] <fwereade> wallyworld, the fact that it's triggering in obliterateUnit is coincidental
[12:30] <wallyworld> hmmm. i'll need to look at the logs i guess
[12:31] <fwereade> wallyworld, if you've got a repro you should look at the actual transactions we tried to run against that unit
[12:32] <fwereade> wallyworld, and it sounds like a stable broken state it gets into
[12:32] <fwereade> wallyworld, that way you can at least see what ops the chain of failed build attempts produced
[12:33] <fwereade> wallyworld, see if they're changing (there's a race we've missed) or stable (we've fucked up the memory/db assertion equivalence)
[12:33] <wallyworld> yup
[12:33] <wallyworld> sigh
[12:33] <wallyworld> so i guess there's another problem somewhere besides the one just fixed
[12:34] <fwereade> yeah
[12:34] <fwereade> wallyworld, if we're seeing reproducible ErrExcessiveContention we should at least be able to repro it in unit tests and have a fix that rests on something more durable than mere painstaking analysis ;p
[12:35] <wallyworld> tests pass, i've got to figure out failure senario
[12:36] <wallyworld> i don't know that we have a unit test for a hanging hook
[12:58] <wallyworld> fwereade: oh, i'm a dick - i forgot --upload-tools. just verified and it's fine
[13:09] <fwereade> wallyworld, phew :)
[13:09] <wallyworld> fwereade: i replied to yout comment. also, we don't define a slice of statuses so hard to cycle through them
[13:10] <fwereade> wallyworld, yeah, I thought so
[13:10] <wallyworld> but so long as it's != Allocating that's all we need
[13:10] <fwereade> wallyworld, and, ah yes, ofc, I'm dumb
[13:10] <fwereade> wallyworld, ship it :)
[13:10] <wallyworld> i just added thoses extras just because
[13:10] <wallyworld> ty
[13:11] <wallyworld> at least caus ei forgot upload tools i reproduced it :-)
[13:23] <mup> Bug #1466498 opened: serverSuite.TestStop fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core jes-cli:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466498>
[13:26] <mup> Bug #1466498 changed: serverSuite.TestStop fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core jes-cli:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466498>
[13:35] <mup> Bug #1466498 opened: serverSuite.TestStop fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core jes-cli:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466498>
[13:53] <mup> Bug #1466513 opened: destroyTwoEnvironmentsSuite teardown fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466513>
[13:53] <mup> Bug #1466514 opened: TestCertificateUpdateWorkerUpdatesCertificate fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <test-failure> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466514>
[14:14] <mup> Bug #1466520 opened: serviceSuite setup fails <ci> <intermittent-failure> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.24:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466520>
[14:14] <mup> Bug #1466525 opened: restore fails due to mongo login failure <backup-restore> <ci> <intermittent-failure> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.22:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466525>
[14:36] <katco> wwitzel3: lmk if you would like to skip our 1:1
[14:40] <fwereade> wallyworld, don't suppose you're awake?
[14:43] <wwitzel3> katco: right, I was planning to take some medicine and lay down for a bit, unless you had something specific we needed to cover
[14:43] <katco> wwitzel3: get some rest
[14:44] <katco> ericsnow: natefinch: do you need anything?
[14:45] <natefinch> katco: not currently :)
[14:45] <ericsnow> katco: no, thanks
[14:46] <ericsnow> katco: other than a LGTM on that metadata patch :)
[14:46] <katco> ericsnow: done :)
[14:46] <ericsnow> katco: thanks!
[14:47] <rogpeppe1> i'd very much like a review of this from someone in juju-core please. moving towards having an client-inspectable schema for juju environment config: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2597
[14:56] <alexisb> perrito666, I had fun playing with the new service status yesterday
[14:57] <alexisb> it is mightily useful
[14:57] <alexisb> I especially like the status-history
[14:57] <perrito666> I am glad :D I had fun playing with it too :p
[15:12] <mramm> hey, quick question perhaps somebody here knows the answer
[15:13] <mramm> does juju use some sort of connection pool for mongodb? or is a new connection established for each query?
[15:14] <mramm> perrito666: ^^^
[15:15] <voidspace> mramm: it creates a new session for each connection
[15:15] <voidspace> mramm: *but*
[15:15] <voidspace> mramm: mgo is supposed to do connection pooling for us
[15:15] <voidspace> mramm: including disposing of dead connections
[15:17] <mramm> voidspace: so there is connection pooling in mgo?
[15:17] <voidspace> mramm: yes
[15:17] <mramm> thanks!
[15:38] <fwereade> perrito666, was just looking at your github PR, one question:
[15:38] * perrito666 braces
[15:39] <fwereade> perrito666, this is just testing the existing behaviour, right? in which update-status fires only when the timer ticks?
[15:40] <perrito666> fwereade: yes, as that pr does not add the new behaviour
[15:40] <fwereade> perrito666, great, so that is why I can't see any changes in startupHooks despite the addition of update-status to baseCharmHooks :)
[15:40] <perrito666> I split both things after you suggested it yesterday
[15:41] <perrito666> fwereade: yes :)
[15:44] <fwereade> perrito666, ok, LGTM with some naming quibbles, but check back with ian about the idle timer
[15:45] <perrito666> fwereade: I will tx
[15:45] <fwereade> perrito666, I'm pretty confident it shouldn't be below 5s
[15:45] <fwereade> perrito666, even if everything responds super-fast
[15:45] * perrito666 uses randInt(2,10)
[15:45] <fwereade> perrito666, relation-set gets written when hook completes
[15:46] <fwereade> perrito666, it could easily take 5s before a counterpart even sees that
[15:47] <fwereade> perrito666, and even if *that* unit runs a hook with a response really fast
[15:47] <fwereade> perrito666, we won't see it until 5s after it did at best
[15:47] <fwereade> perrito666, and more likely 10s
[15:47] <perrito666> fwereade: this https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2586#discussion_r32743555
[15:48] <fwereade> wallyworld, this conversation is worth reading back when you're around
[15:49] <fwereade> perrito666, wallyworld, I'd actually say that it's more like 15s of idleness before you can have confidence in your idleness
[15:49] <perrito666> it is because as the logic stands now the default is inactive until and unless the call to getMetricsTimer(charm) says otherwise
[15:49] <perrito666> fwereade: Ill make sure wallyworld gets to this conversation tonight
[15:49] <fwereade> perrito666, think of the timerchooser on its own
[15:49] <fwereade> perrito666, what makes the inactive one "default"?
[15:50] <fwereade> perrito666, you must at least have "active" and "inactive" as well as "default"
[15:50] <fwereade> perrito666, otherwise "default" is just another name for "inactive"
[15:50] <fwereade> perrito666, but I maintain that inactive is *not* the default
[15:51] <perrito666> fair
[15:51] <fwereade> perrito666, would you implement a BoolChooser with methods True and Default?
[15:51] <fwereade> ;p
[15:52] <fwereade> perrito666, wallyworld: if you think this is reason enough to tweak the watcher resolution, so we can detect idleness early, I'm prepared to investigate that but we'd need to stress-test it pretty hard
[15:55] <fwereade> perrito666, wallyworld: (and I think there are UX considerations too -- ISTM that traffic lights that flicker back and forth will inspire less confidence than those that take a little longer to go solid green and stay there)
[15:56] <perrito666> fwereade: I definitely would compare this with hdd light rather than traffic lights
[15:56] <perrito666> back when hdd light was useful
[15:56] <mup> Bug #1466565 opened: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <landscape> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[15:57] <fwereade> perrito666, that's what solid yellow indicates
[15:57] <fwereade> perrito666, "I'm doing stuff, leave me be"
[15:57] <fwereade> perrito666, solid green indicates "everything is configured and working as it should"
[15:58] <perrito666> ill agree nevertheless that entreing and leaving iddle too fast feels a bit like whack-a-mole
[15:58] <fwereade> perrito666, if our units look like they can't decide which state they're in we all look dumb
[15:58] <fwereade> perrito666, look at it this way
[15:59] <fwereade> perrito666, status needs to represent things users care about
[15:59] <fwereade> perrito666, they will pay attention to, and react to, changes in status
[16:00] <fwereade> perrito666, but every status change they don't need to react to dilutes the value of the data stream
[16:00] <fwereade> perrito666, (and IMO yellow->green should inspire the reaction "great, now I can relax")
[16:08] <mup> Bug #1466570 opened: Juju add-unit stuck on new lxc containers <sts> <juju-core:New> <juju-core 1.20:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466570>
[16:18] <rogpeppe> fwereade: here's another step along the provider schema thing. i didn't change the EnvironProvider interface yet because i didn't want to potentially break external provider implementors yet. http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1969/
[16:18] <fwereade> rogpeppe, nice
[16:18] <fwereade> rogpeppe, queued it :)
[16:18] <rogpeppe> fwereade: ta!
[16:19] <rogpeppe> fwereade: i won't hold my breath :)
[16:19] * fwereade considers rogpeppe to be a wise man
[16:26] <natefinch> heh, the deputy repo I made 2 days ago under github.com/juju already has 12 stars
[16:31] <rogpeppe> mramm: there is connection pooling *but* it's likely that each concurrently running operation uses one connection
[16:31] <rogpeppe> mramm: which is something we've been dealing with in the charm store recently
[16:32] <rogpeppe> mramm: see https://github.com/go-mgo/mgo/issues/124
[16:33] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i was thinking of suggesting for someone recently, but the stderr output needed too much massaging for it to be useful as is
[16:34] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i wonder if it might be good to have an optional TransformStderrToError([]byte) error (or something) function that can be used to cope with situations like that
[16:36] <natefinch> rogpeppe: you can always get the error string and massage it afterward, if you really need to. That seems a little too specialized to broaden the API. Generally the stderr-as-error is only good if you know the command produces reasonably sized stderr output.
[16:37] <rogpeppe> natefinch: that's true
[16:37] <rogpeppe> natefinch: in the case above, we really wanted just the first line
[16:38] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i wish there was some nice way of dealing with multiline errors
[16:40] <natefinch> gah, I wish loggo had non-f methods
[17:00] <natefinch> katco: so, with a bunch of people already watching the repo I created (github.com/juju/deputy), I'm hesitant to follow through with my previous plan of deleting it in order to follow our new process. Maybe we can make this the exception, and just make all future work on the repo via PRs?
[17:01] <katco> natefinch: that's fine. but we still need the code reviewed
[17:01] <natefinch> katco: absolutrely
[17:13] <natefinch> rogpeppe: btw, updated the deputy package to not use the cute options thingy anymore. I think it's a lot more understandable without it. Also added a way to have it pipe the output to a logging function, similar to how we do hook output.
[17:14] <rogpeppe> natefinch, katco: what's the "new process" ?
[17:14] <katco> rogpeppe: first, you like 3 and a half candles
[17:14] <natefinch> rogpeppe: create the repo with readme & license only, then add all code via PRs
[17:14] <katco> rogpeppe: then, you place a blue lotus from the slopes of mt. kilimanjaro in the middle
[17:14] <rogpeppe> katco: well good start, i already like candles
[17:14] <natefinch> lol
[17:15] <katco> rogpeppe: er, what nate said. it will be on the wiki soon
[17:15] <rogpeppe> katco: ha, i'd forgotten we even had a wiki :)
[17:15] <natefinch> the candles and lotus are optional but recommended
[17:16] <natefinch> rogpeppe: we started using the wiki after I got annoyed with the state of our developer documentation
[17:16] <natefinch> rogpeppe: the github wiki that is
[17:16] <rogpeppe> natefinch: where is it?
[17:16] <natefinch> rogpeppe: https://github.com/juju/juju/wiki
[17:17] <rogpeppe> natefinch: what are the interface{} arguments to StdoutLog and StderrLog ?
[17:17] <rogpeppe> natefinch: wouldn't that be better as just a single string arg?
[17:17] <mattyw> I need an adult if there's one around?
[17:17] <natefinch> rogpeppe: it's a concession to the way most log packages work, e.g: http://golang.org/pkg/log/#Print
[17:18] <rogpeppe> mattyw: i can pretend
[17:18] <rogpeppe> natefinch: i think it would be better a func(string)
[17:18] <rogpeppe> as
[17:18] <mattyw> ah rogpeppe you might be just the man - you're name is on the file I'm interested in
[17:18] <rogpeppe> mattyw: i'm afraid that might be true of quite a few files :)
[17:18] <natefinch> rogpeppe: I started that way... I can put it back. It means you need to wrap most log package's logging functions, but it is a lot more clear what it'll send
[17:19] <rogpeppe> natefinch: yeah, i think it's worth it.
[17:19] <rogpeppe> natefinch: and it's easier to use if you want to add a prefix, for example
[17:19] <mattyw> rogpeppe, for acme fans: apiserver/charms/client_test.go:L120 for github fans https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/apiserver/charms/client_test.go#L120
[17:19] <natefinch> rogpeppe: yeah, I agree, after looking at a consumer using loggo
[17:19] <rogpeppe> mattyw: not *quite* :)
[17:19] <rogpeppe> mattyw: no L
[17:20] <mattyw> rogpeppe, that call seems to be testing the CharmInfo function in the client, but as it's in the charms facade package I'd be expecting it to test that one right?
[17:20] <mattyw> rogpeppe, ah yeah - sorry
[17:21] <rogpeppe> mattyw: it's quite usual to test the server side functions by calling the client side functions
[17:22] <rogpeppe> mattyw: because the client side functions work by invoking the server side functions
[17:22] <mattyw> rogpeppe, but it shouldn't it be calling the charms facade client?
[17:22] <mattyw> rogpeppe, there are two charminfo functions one in the charms facade, and another in the enormous client
[17:23] <rogpeppe> mattyw: ah, i guess
[17:23] <rogpeppe> mattyw: that stuff is well after my involvement in this area
[17:24] <rogpeppe> mattyw: i've no idea why there are two implementations of the same call
[17:24] <mattyw> rogpeppe, I'm not looking for blame - I'm looking for another set of eye to check my sanity
[17:28] <rogpeppe> mattyw: looks like you're probably right
[17:28] <rogpeppe> mattyw: i've no idea why the duplication; i guess all the tests need to be duplicated too
[17:28] <mattyw> rogpeppe, there is some dubiousness added by the basecharmSuite and charmSuite stuff
[17:29] <mattyw> rogpeppe, duplication is probably a wip attempt at moving away from the huge client
[17:29] <rogpeppe> mattyw: i would guess that too
[17:29] <rogpeppe> mattyw: fat lot of difference it makes to the understandability or maintainability of the code though :)
[17:29] <katco> if a state server is in a bad way, is it safe to recommend cycling it? or is juju going to do something weird like uninstall itself?
[17:30] <rogpeppe> katco: restarting it should be just fine
[17:30] <rogpeppe> katco: restarting the service, that is
[17:30] <rogpeppe> katco: in case you had something else in mind
[17:31] <katco> rogpeppe: i was just suggesting to cycle the container (it's local)
[17:31] <rogpeppe> katco: reboot it?
[17:31] <katco> rogpeppe: yes
[17:31] <rogpeppe> katco: you should probably be ok. how is the server in a bad way?
[17:32] <katco> rogpeppe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1466565
[17:32] <mup> Bug #1466565: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <landscape> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:In Progress by cox-katherine-e> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[17:33] <katco> rogpeppe: it looks to me like somehow juju got in a bad node in its state machine
[17:34] <rogpeppe> katco: the log linked to in that issue doesn't look like it shows the issue
[17:34] <rogpeppe> katco: it says it's restarting because an upgrade is available
[17:35] <katco> rogpeppe: it never comes back up though, wondering if it actually shut down
[17:35] <rogpeppe> katco: if you just restart the state server service, do you just get the same thing?
[17:35] <katco> rogpeppe: waiting to hear from sparkiegeek
[17:35] <katco> rogpeppe: if you're interested, #juju@canonical
[17:40] <mattyw> It's been so long since I've done some juju stuff I have no idea what I'm doing
[17:41] <natefinch> mattyw: just write if err != nil { return err } a bunch of times, and it'll come back to you ;)
[17:41] <rogpeppe> lol
[17:42] <mattyw> natefinch, go is fine, it's the facades that do it :)
[17:42] <natefinch> mattyw: yeah, juju is a beast of a codebase. Just the pure LOC make it hard to get a handle on
[17:44] <mattyw> natefinch, ah ha! I've just remembered the magic
[17:44] <mattyw> (the juju in juju you could say)
[18:24] <mup> Bug #1466565 changed: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <landscape> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Invalid by cox-katherine-e> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[18:27] <natefinch> How come my software updates all get shown with the description instead of the name of the package? e.g.: http://i.imgur.com/E4Q3uBV.png Is that an ubuntu bug, or some weird setting I set by accident?
[18:33] <mup> Bug #1466565 opened: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <landscape> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Invalid by cox-katherine-e> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[18:36] <mup> Bug #1466565 changed: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <landscape> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Invalid by cox-katherine-e> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[18:49] <natefinch> ericsnow: unintended nice side effect of using json for plugin output - it's easy to output without line returns
[18:49] <ericsnow> natefinch: yay
[18:51] <katco> is anyone familiar with the FORCE-VERSION file?
[18:51] <perrito666> natefinch: ah, same happened today
[18:51] <perrito666> perhaps the name is collapsed?
[18:54] <mup> Bug #1466565 opened: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <landscape> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Confirmed for cox-katherine-e> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[18:57] <mup> Bug #1466565 changed: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <landscape> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Confirmed for cox-katherine-e> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[18:58] <natefinch> katco: I think that's what gets included when you use --upload-tools
[19:00] <perrito666> I think it is necessary to allow juju to use the uploaded version of juju (for which there is no stream)
[19:02] <katco> perrito666: apparently not only then. was installed by default by just bootstrapping 1.23.3
[19:03] <katco> natefinch: ^^
[19:06] <mup> Bug #1466565 opened: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <landscape> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Confirmed for cox-katherine-e> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[20:09] <mup> Bug #1466629 opened: Containers fail to get ip when non-maas dhcp/dns is used <dhcp> <dns> <lxc> <maas> <openstack-installer> <openstack-provider> <ubuntu-engineering> <ubuntu-openstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466629>
[20:42] <natefinch> ericsnow: how do I upload a patch to reviewboard?
[20:51] <alexisb> thumper, not that you need any distractions today, but when you have a moment I need your help today
[20:51] <thumper> heh
[20:51] <thumper> ok, will ping you when I have time
[20:57] <natefinch> ericsnow: if you have time before EOD, could you take a look at the deputy repo? I made a PR to a branch that shows all the code: https://github.com/juju/deputy/pull/1 I don't know how to get that onto reviewboard or if we care (can always review on github)
[20:59] <natefinch> (or anyone else up for a review ^ )
[21:24] <mup> Bug #1466660 opened: Unable to create hosted environments on EC2 <juju-core:New for cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466660>
[21:24] * fwereade would like to express a brief moment of rage to discover that we're still just crapping charm.Meta et al into the database
[21:24] * fwereade is sure that multiple people have promised to fix that over the last year
[21:50] <alexisb> fwereade, you should be sleeping, but if it makes you feel better I am listening
[21:51] <katco> wallyworld: thumper: if anyone in your half of the world gets some bandwidth, this bug is targeted for 1.24.2: bug 1466565
[21:51] <mup> Bug #1466565: Upgraded juju to 1.24 dies shortly after starting <cts> <landscape> <sts> <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Confirmed> <juju-core 1.24:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1466565>
[21:52] <fwereade> alexisb, I have subsided to mild background grumpiness :)
[21:52] <fwereade> menn0, ping
[22:02] <menn0> fwereade: hi
[22:06] <thumper> what happened to 1.24.1?
[22:07] <alexisb> thumper, what do you mean what happened to it?
[22:07] <thumper> alexisb: katco says it is targetted to 1.24.2? I thought we just released 1.24.0
[22:08] <alexisb> thumper, we are going to cut 1.24.1 soon
[22:08] <katco> thumper: we have a 1.24.1 as well
[22:08] <alexisb> so new bugs may be targeted to 1.24.2 instead of 1.24.1
[22:10] <fwereade> menn0, re the stateCollection interface
[22:10] <fwereade> menn0, what motivated the set of methods we picked?
[22:10] * menn0 looks
[22:11] <menn0> fwereade: they were what was in use with Juju at the the time of writing
[22:11] <menn0> fwereade: it's grown a few methods since it was created as people have wanted more
[22:12] <katco> ericsnow: do you know what have we forked because of lack of 1.4? was it just the stdlib?
[22:12] <menn0> fwereade: why do you ask?
[22:12] <ericsnow> katco: the only things of which I'm aware are govmomi and that package for windows
[22:14] <fwereade> menn0, I wanted to use it myself from a state subpackage to take advantage of the env-aware bits
[22:14] <fwereade> menn0, and I found myself thinking "hmm, I'm pretty sure we shouldn't ever Insert"
[22:14] <fwereade> menn0, and I found where we inserted and GAAAH WTF in more than one way
[22:15] <katco> ericsnow: looks like sys package from stdlib: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1897/diff/#
[22:15] <fwereade> menn0, so I got scared and I looked for Update and couldn't spot it
[22:15] <menn0> fwereade: AddCharm is one place we do where we shouldn't
[22:16] <ericsnow> katco: that's not the stdlib sys package, is it?
[22:16] <katco> ericsnow: i believe so
[22:16] <fwereade> menn0, and then I just found UpdateId and got grumpy again because I'm damn sure I told thumper *not* to do txn-layer-skipping writes into docs that use txns, and to please put LastLoginTime somewhere else
[22:16] <katco> ericsnow: golang.org/x/sys --> github.com/gabriel-samfira/sys
[22:17] <ericsnow> katco: there's a syscall in the stdlib, but no sys
[22:17] <fwereade> menn0, so, ehh, anyway
[22:17] <thumper> fwereade: I think we agreed to disagree on that point...
[22:17] <thumper> and I felt that the overhead of putting it elsewhere wasn't worth it
[22:17] <thumper> and no one watches it
[22:17] <katco> ericsnow: sorry, supplemental library
[22:18] <fwereade> thumper, I apologise then for my lack of clarity
[22:18] <ericsnow> katco: regardless, yeah, that's the one
[22:18] <fwereade> thumper, the txn system is a layer as much as the api is
[22:20] <fwereade> thumper, and now we've got a document with a magic field that needs as much documentation as everything else in that serialization thing
[22:21] <fwereade> thumper, and depends on people reading and understanding and remembering and eschewing the temptation to just autocomplete something that looks like a good idea
[22:21] <fwereade> thumper, there are times when we want txn and times when we don't
[22:22] <fwereade> thumper, but we need very very good reasons to mix them
[22:22] <fwereade> thumper, the relation data cleanup ones are bad enough and they only touch documents known to be unreferenced by the rest of the system
[22:24] <fwereade> thumper, mixing txn-aware and non-txn-aware fields in the same document just triggers my twitch-froth-gesticulate reflex
[22:24] * thumper watches fwereade twitch
[22:24] * fwereade is indeed something to behold
[22:25] <fwereade> thumper, I'm also suffering residual grumpiness from observing that the charm document schema is still largely coming from a different repository
[22:26] <thumper> fwereade: ENOCONTEXT
[22:26] <fwereade> thumper, ehh, this is all coming from our chat this morning
[22:27] <fwereade> thumper, trying to get the stateCollection interface out of state so I could consume things that implemented it and get useful env-awareness in my lease bits
[22:27] <thumper> environment based lease collection?
[22:28] <fwereade> thumper, I think most of the lease namespaces will be per-environment, yes
[22:28] <fwereade> thumper, I could hand-hack it but that would be dumb
[22:29] <thumper> agreed
[22:29] <fwereade> thumper, so anyway I started looking at what we actually did with that interface and that led me to the naked Insert of the charm document and then I looked at the charm serialization and gibber-gibber-flail-moan
[22:30] <fwereade> thumper, menn0: so, what I want to do is
[22:30] <thumper> the serilization structure isn't in the state package?
[22:30] <thumper> that seems like a fail
[22:31] <fwereade> thumper, is is a goddam massive fucking failure and I am certain that more people than just those working on metrics and actions ahve promised to (1) DTRT themselves and (2) fix the legacy shittiness
[22:31] <fwereade> thumper, and yet it has somehow failed to occur in both those instances
[22:32] <fwereade> alexisb, huh, it looks like I did have a rant in me after all :/
[22:32] <thumper> haha
[22:32] <thumper> I'm thinking my fix I landed yesterday should probably be ported to 1.24
[22:33] <redelmann> hi, it's normal to get without space on juju machine-0???
[22:33] <redelmann> im using aws default constraints on bootstrap
[22:33] <redelmann> juju is using 7.5G of 8Gb
[22:33] <perrito666> redelmann: check the logs
[22:34] <perrito666> as in, check if the logs are overly sized
[22:34] <perrito666> oversized
[22:34] <redelmann> perrito666, 36M of logs
[22:34] <fwereade> thumper, and even more infuriatingly
[22:34] <redelmann> perrito666, /var/libs/juju/db is using 3.7Gb
[22:35] <fwereade> thumper, there's a *bit* of input sanitization for *one* of those fields
[22:35] * thumper chuckles
[22:35] <fwereade> thumper, but that just munges the *Config into a different one
[22:36] <fwereade> thumper, and just for fun that only happens on *one* of the two code paths that can lead to config data being written to the document
[22:36] <thumper> haha
[22:36] <thumper> fwereade: were you around yesterday when I said how shite our codebase was?
[22:36] <thumper> nothing surprises me any more
[22:36] <perrito666> redelmann: could you provide a detailed du -shc /var/lib/juju/*
[22:36] <perrito666> redelmann: pastebin :)
[22:37] <fwereade> thumper, so, I do not think that graduating reviewers has done us any good
[22:38] <thumper> fwereade: I don't think that is the source of the problem to be honest
[22:38] <fwereade> thumper, it is all too easy for these things to happen when both the coder and the reviewer have only passing familiarity with the code
[22:39] <fwereade> thumper, I think it was an attempt to enforce tighter controls and has not really worked out on that front
[22:39] <redelmann> perrito666, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737759/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737763/
[22:39] <katco> fwereade: architectural documentation pls
[22:39] <perrito666> redelmann: looking
[22:39] <katco> fwereade: the code doesn't convey all the knowledge needed to review
[22:39] <thumper> fwereade: there are too many devs to push all reviews through the relatively few people who know more how things hang together
[22:39] <thumper> katco: agreed
[22:40] <fwereade> katco, it is hard to bring oneself to do that when the stuff I have written seems to be completely ignored
[22:40] <thumper> fwereade: we need a wiki page of "distilled fwereade ranting"
[22:40] <redelmann> perrito666, mhh.. look at this: almost 1 hour of this "ps -aux" http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737765/
[22:41] <fwereade> katco, that is no doubt at least partly a perception issue
[22:47] <thumper> wallyworld: did you fix 1452745 in master too?
[22:48] <wallyworld> bug 1452745
[22:48] <mup> Bug #1452745: 386 constant 250059350016 overflows int <386> <blocker> <ci> <regression> <juju-core 1.24:Fix Released by wallyworld> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1452745>
[22:48] <wallyworld> i think so
[22:48] <wallyworld> i'll check
[23:01] <thumper> (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
[23:02] <wallyworld> thumper: yes, it got ported forward
[23:02] <thumper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bugs?field.tag=intermittent-failure&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[23:02] * thumper sadface
[23:12] <anastasiamac> thumper: ow! that's a lot of "intermittent" failures...
[23:12] <thumper> anastasiamac: yeah...
[23:13] <thumper> something for the bug squad to focus on
[23:13] <anastasiamac> :D
[23:13] <thumper> I'm hoping my team will have some time next cycle
[23:13] <thumper> s/cycle/iteration/
[23:13] <anastasiamac> well, dave is living in the future - he must have more time than anyone :D
[23:14] <anastasiamac> according to rb at least :D
[23:31] <davecheney> yup, living in the future, three minutes at a time
[23:32] <anastasiamac> make it 8 and u'd be almost like the sun :))
[23:36] <fwereade> thumper, menn0: oh, yeah, before sleep: I want to make that interface smaller and at least force the questionable bits to go via .Underlying() so they know they're being bad
[23:36] <fwereade> thumper, menn0: objections?
[23:37] <fwereade> thumper, menn0: and I know it doesn't cover everything and you can write via Query but one thing at a time :)
[23:38] <fwereade> thumper, menn0: (I refer to state.stateCollection)
[23:38] <menn0> fwereade: that sounds reasonable to me
[23:40] <thumper> fwereade: I defer to menn0 on this
[23:41] <fwereade> menn0, thumper: cool, thanks, and happy weekends both :)
[23:41] <thumper> cheers
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-touch
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[01:12] <KTEC> hello
[01:13] <KTEC> am trying to upgrade to 14.4
[01:14] <KTEC> its hanging
[01:14] <KTEC> what can i do
[02:41] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: I did not
[03:29] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: I activated you. I dunno what's going on with php mail not sending to some emails, I might try switch to smtp...
[03:31] <ahoneybun> thanks mariogrip
[03:50] <ignacio> Hi everyone!
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:16] <fooloop> well turns out eap/mschapv2 was surprisingly simple now I finally had 5 minutes
[07:16] <fooloop> manually anyway
[08:19] <bricklin> Missing more wifi connection setting on the ubuntu phone , anyone working on that?
[08:20] <ogra_> bricklin, what do you miss exactly
[08:23] <bricklin> EAP-settings , PEAP TLS and more cant connect offfice netork with it
[08:26] <ogra_> i think there are bugs open for that
[08:26] <ogra_> (dont ask me which ones :) )
[08:26] <ogra_> that question comes up more often here
[08:27] <bricklin> okey , but i guess its not a bug just a missing feature :) thanks anyway
[08:28] <ogra_> well, missing features are "wishlist" bugs :)
[08:29] <bricklin> yepp :)
[08:35] <popey> bricklin: yes, there is a long standing bug for PEAP etc.
[08:35] <popey> (I filed it two years ago)
[08:35] <popey> bug 1241986
[08:36] <popey> looks like it's had some activity this month \o/
[08:36] <ogra_> yay
[08:41] <davmor2> popey: iirc it is planned for ota5 preliminarily (hopes that is the right word) also iirc all the bits are there it is just missing the gui to set it up.
[08:42] <lotuspsychje> gmail has nice security feature now, warning me about login in from nexus7 with unknown browser :p
[08:43] <popey> davmor2: that's happy news
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/BQ-Aquaris-E5-HD-Ubuntu-Edition-Is-Now-Available-for-Purchase-Without-Pre-Order-484639.shtml
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> bq open again :p
[08:48] <lotuspsychje> svij, sturmflut_ : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCQKZlwWve8
[08:50] <svij> lotuspsychje: I saw that already yesterday ;)
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> ah cool :p
[08:50] * svij will record a (german) video on the weekend probably
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> great!
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy International Picnic Day! 😃
[09:53] <brobostigon> the gmail notifications, are they limit to a certain parts of the inbox?
[09:53] <brobostigon> limited*
[10:02] <davmor2> brobostigon: just inbox iirc
[10:03] <brobostigon> davmor2: ok, strange, because it doesnt actuallly notify of all email in inbox, as far as i can tell.
[10:47] <mcphail> Is Ubuntu running on any tablet as a "daily driver" yet?
[10:51] <davmor2> mcphail: n7 and n10
[10:51] <davmor2> mcphail: more n7 than n10 though
[10:52] <mcphail> davmor2: is n7 likely to be the ongoing best-supported device?
[10:52] <davmor2> mcphail: yeap make sure it is a n7 2013 edition though
[10:53] <mcphail> davmor2: thanks. Looking to get one for some demos we use in the dept
[10:56] <brunch875> the new shell on utouch looks pretty neat
[10:56] <brunch875> does anyone know if the new unity is going to hit the desktop any soon?
[10:56] <brobostigon> new shell?
[10:57] <brunch875> euh I refer to how unity behaves now
[10:57] <brunch875> with the new rotation
[10:57] <brunch875> and scrollable from top
[10:57] <ogra_> brunch875, depends how you define "soon" i guess ... it will eventually take over the desktop completely :)
[10:58] <brunch875> is it usable on the desktop now?
[10:58] <ogra_> this again depoends how you define "usable" :)
[10:58] <brunch875> I know it can be installed but I've read someplace it isn't really usable
[10:59] <brunch875> euuh... my definition would be "not extremely cumbersome to use to a point which urges you to roll back"
[10:59] <brunch875> + stable
[10:59] <greyback_> brunch875: unity8 desktop needs a lot of work before it would replace unity7. Right now I'd call unity8 on desktop in the pre-alpha stage
[11:00] <brunch875> ah I see
[11:00] <ogra_> brunch875, https://plus.google.com/+NicholasSkaggs/posts/W6PxiF57NTW?pid=6161321864839877986&oid=115054251212417394181 ... if you can live with a terminal and a browser it could be "usable" to some extend
[11:01] <ogra_> if you want a full desktop experience, better wait 6 months :)
[11:01] <brunch875> then it is 'kinda' ready!
[11:01] <brunch875> woah!
[11:01] <ogra_> kinda :)
[11:02] <brunch875> I'll give it a try then
[11:02] <ogra_> there is a "unity8-lxc" package with which you can run it in an lxc container without trashing your system
[11:03] <brunch875> how about installing like gnome so I can select from login?
[11:03] <brunch875> is that not possible?
[11:03] <ogra_> you can select it for login i think ... with the lxc setup
[11:03] <brunch875> ooh
[11:03] <ogra_> (ask in #ubuntu-desktop, they know more)
[11:04] <brunch875> thanksman, I'll try it right away
[11:57] <cedian_linux> I've got my external hard drive working again Thank you gparted
[12:00] <cedian_linux> ogra_ I think unity 8 is like Windows 8 on desktops. Just horrible
[12:00] <cedian_linux> On a laptop it's even worse
[12:03] <ogra_> ?
[12:03] <ogra_> it doesnt look any different to our current laptop desktops
[12:04] <cedian_linux> Not on my laptop it's like a touch device
[12:04] <seb128> unity8 needs work to be desktop/laptop friendly, it's limited in its current version
[12:05] <ogra_> yeah, look again in 6 months
[12:05] <seb128> but work is ongoing so it should improv
[12:05] <seb128> e
[12:05] <ogra_> (but see the G+ post above ... you can already make it work and look like a normal desktop
[12:05] <ogra_> )
[12:05] <cedian_linux> :)
[12:09] <cedian_linux> How can I install/use new icons
[12:09] <balloons> nik90, rebuilding
[12:12] <balloons> nik90, the mp has a conflict now
[12:13] <nik90> balloons: I will be back in about 2 hrs to fix it. Urgent work.
[12:20] <balloons> nik90, ack. I also finished my changes: https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-clock-app/update-test-layout/+merge/262271
[12:26] <cedian_linux> Got a black screen with cursor when starting unity 7
[12:26] <cedian_linux> 8
[13:10] <mariogrip> Tassadar: I got ubuntu touch to install using Mulitrom, but now i got a problem with "kexec call failed" DTB: Failed to load dtb appended to zImage, invalid offset!Cannot load /realdata/media/0/multirom/roms/utouch_rc-propose1/zImage... Any ideas?
[13:11] <Tassadar> well it's telling you what's wrong
[13:12] <mariogrip> Yeah, i see that, but i tried to set the offset to the same as mako, but still no luck
[13:14] * ogra_ bets the offset is device and initrd-size specific and needs to be computed individually
[13:14] <Tassadar> does that zImage have dtb appended?
[13:14] <ogra_> just grabbing the value from another device is likely not working
[13:15] <ogra_> though this is interesting, dont you usually append the dtb to the kernel binary instead of the initrd ?
[13:20] <mariogrip> Yeah, but it uses dtbToolCM is that a problem?
[13:21] <mariogrip> ogra_: Yeah, i expected it to not boot, but i just tested anyway...
[13:23] <mcphail> I wish ARM devices had sensible bootloaders
[13:23] <ogra_> uboot is nice
[13:24] <hevyhomie> i keep getting this error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11735349/
[13:24] <mcphail> only if you know the magic
[13:24] <ogra_> we just need to make it the default on intel too and you have a sensible standard bootloader everywhere
[13:24] <ogra_> ;)
[13:24] <hevyhomie> sorry if I intruded....
[13:24] <mcphail> uboot isn't even standard on uboot-booted devices :)
[13:25] <ogra_> details :P
[13:26] <ogra_> hevyhomie, why do you build surfaceflinger ?
[13:26] <ogra_> just kick it out
[13:39] <hevyhomie> ogra_: do I delete the .so file?
[13:42] <hevyhomie> ogra_: btw, it's my first port ever since I cannot find a moto e port.
[13:43] <ogra_> no, you want to make it not build it ...
[13:43] <ogra_> so you remove it somewhere in the build scripts
[13:44] <mariogrip> Tassadar: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11735424/
[13:49] <hevyhomie> ogra_: thanks
[14:16] <asok30> hi guys
[14:17] <asok30> someone know if samsung galaxy gt-i9505 can boot ubuntu touch?
[14:17] <asok30> yes
[14:18] <asok30> im trying to find info how to put ubuntu on gt-i9505
[14:18] <asok30> first ubuntu and then i wannt kali linux put on my device :)
[14:19] <greyback__> asok30: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices shows you might have luck
[14:19] <asok30> can someone help me?
[14:19] <asok30> i have been there
[14:20] <asok30> im not noob but at the moment i dont know if i will do it
[14:20] <asok30> dont wanna brick my phone
[14:20] <asok30> ;)
[14:21] <greyback__> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9505 has links to install instructions and an image. It's highly unlikely you'll brick your phone, but as it's a community port, there's no guarantees
[14:30] <conyoo> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9737999
[14:30] <conyoo> ^^
[14:33] <jgdx> that contenthub is a cool thing kenvandine
[14:33] <kenvandine> :)
[14:33] * kenvandine wonders what inspired that
[14:33] <jgdx> kenvandine, contacts import in call forwarding ui
[14:33] <jgdx> took me 7 seconds to do 80%
[14:33] <kenvandine> ah
[14:33] <kenvandine> woot
[14:39] <kenvandine> jdstrand, i have a branch with fixes for the recently added SocketDemangler rule which is needed for a content-hub branch i'm working on
[14:39] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/ual_typo/+merge/262326
[14:39] <kenvandine> jdstrand, ^^ can you take a look at that and hopefully land it in wily soonish?
[14:39] <jdstrand> kenvandine: yes, I will do that today
[14:39] <kenvandine> jdstrand, thanks!
[14:39] <jdstrand> np
[14:40] <asok30> thanks guys :)
[14:40] <asok30> cheers
[15:09] <Elleo> ogra_, sil2100: any idea who I should be pinging about updating the touch seeds? I seem to remember pestering one or the other of you in the past, but I'm not sure what the process is now
[15:09] <sil2100> Elleo: hey!
[15:09] <Elleo> sil2100: heya :)
[15:10] <sil2100> Elleo: hm, good question, ogra_ was our guy in the past but he's busy with snappy now
[15:10] <sil2100> I think I should pick that up
[15:11] <Elleo> sil2100: ah cool, basically we have a bunch of new keyboard layouts to add thanks to community folks writing some awesome new layouts :)
[15:12] <sil2100> Let me take a look at that after the meeting then
[15:12] <Elleo> sil2100: great, thanks
[15:12] <Elleo> sil2100: the new packages are: ubuntu-keyboard-greek, ubuntu-keyboard-icelandic, ubuntu-keyboard-norwegian-bokmal, ubuntu-keyboard-romanian, ubuntu-keyboard-scottish-gaelic, ubuntu-keyboard-slovenian and ubuntu-keyboard-ukrainian :)
[15:31] <popey> Elleo: disappointed there's no ubuntu-keyboard-klingon
[15:31] <Elleo> heh
[15:32] <Elleo> popey: once the new json layout stuff is complete we'll be able to make layout click packages, so you can make your own klingon layout and distribute it in the store :)
[15:32] <nik90> Elleo: also ubuntu-keyboard-elvish pls
[15:33] <ogra_> sil2100, awesome, if you need any help, you know where to find me
[15:33] <Elleo> heh
[15:33] * nik90 is puzzled to see 15 elvish languages listed in wikipedia \o/
[15:33] * ogra_ doesnt care about klingon kbds ... i want klingon voice output !!
[15:33] <popey> Elleo: yay!
[15:34] <ogra_> (for the GPS navigation app !!!)
[15:34] <popey> Elleo: I'm also interested in a terminal layout with more nerdy buttons, like escape, ctrl + alt :)
[15:34] <Elleo> popey: that'll be trickier, as those aren't currently accepted in the layout definition, so you might have to wait a little while for that one
[15:35] * mcphail wonders if the windows phone keyboard has ctrl-alt-del?
[15:36] <Elleo> popey: it will, however, be possible to make a "Hodor" keyboard layout
[15:36] <Elleo> since you can have multi-letter keys
[15:36] <ogra_> each key printing "hodor" ?
[15:36] <Elleo> ogra_: or just one giant "Hodor" key printing "Hodor"
[15:37] <ogra_> lol
[15:37] <Elleo> so you see, I do consider the most important use cases ;)
[16:29] <davmor2> ogra_: only issue is then you have to talk to your phone in Klingon to make it work and I'm not sure you are fluent enough yet :P
[16:33] <ogra_> davmor2, after i used the GPS nav app a few times by typing in and listening to it i'm sure i'll grab the basics :)
[16:33] <Tm_T> hola!
[16:37] <Tm_T> about MX4, is there images available for reflashing?
[16:38] <ogra_> did you break yours already ?
[16:38] <Tm_T> almost (=
[16:38] <Tm_T> would be easier that way instead of manually taking bits off from the root
[16:38] <ogra_> there is the ubuntu-touch/rc/meizu.en channel
[16:39] <Tm_T> ah neat, thanks
[16:39] <ogra_> that should have the image you got with the first OTA after boot
[16:39] <Tm_T> so I can start from scratch and try break things again and again (:
[16:40] <Tm_T> I haven't managed yet to run any KDE stuff on this beast, nor any X-app
[16:40] <ogra_> wait til thats working then :)
[16:41] <ogra_> thats still 6 months away
[16:41] <Tm_T> ogra_: waiting sounds boring, I rather try find the limits
[16:41] <ogra_> someone wrote a nice hack report to the ML recently
[16:41] <ogra_> running twm xvkbd and chromium on his bq
[16:42] <Tm_T> ubuntu-phone list?
[16:42] <ogra_> yeah
[16:43] <Tm_T> thanks, will look into it
[17:09] <mhall119> for some reason my 8am alarms keep going off at 12pm
[17:09] <mhall119> anybody know why?
[17:09] <mhall119> I even deleted it and re-created it, still happens
[17:09] <k1l> dont press snooze that often ;p
[17:09] <mhall119> but when I set a test alarm at 2pm, it went off at 2pm
[17:10] <mhall119> k1l: :-P
[17:27] <SturmFlut> ogra_: I can't help but notice that everbody and their mom is doing Snappy now
[17:27] <ogra_> :D
[17:27] <ogra_> awesome, aint it ? :)
[17:27] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Which makes me think what you and your Snappy Skynet did to make this happen
[17:28] <ogra_> just not giving up is key :)
[17:28] * SturmFlut noticed that the Snappy "logo" looks like a Borg cubus
[17:28] <ogra_> LOL
[17:29] <nik90> mhall119: vivid or willy?
[17:30] <mhall119> nik90: wily
[17:30] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Just so you know, if you plan to abduct me with your Snappy Erle Drones because I know too much, mzanetti has a full copy of all the records
[17:30] <nik90> mhall119: I remember taibot mentioning something similar yesterday and the issue exists only in willy. I believe charles is copying the fix from vivid to willy.
[17:31] <mhall119> nik90: cool,thanks
[17:31] <mzanetti> what?
[17:31] <ogra_> SturmFlut, ah,, damn ... but i can bribe him
[17:31] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: Psst, just play along!
[17:31] <mzanetti> oh, those records
[17:32] <mhall119> SturmFlut: mzanetti is already compromised, who do you think turned you in? ;)
[17:32] * ogra_ cleans the record player so it is ready when the records show up :P
[17:32] <SturmFlut> Damned mzanetti, not you too!
[17:33] <SturmFlut> Hm, what's that high-pitched noise that's getting louder
[17:33] <mhall119> ignore it, it's nothing, just stay within 2 meters of your current position
[17:37] <SturmFlut> Good evening, ladies and gentlemen! May I introduce you to the Church of Snappy?
[17:37] <SturmFlut> And no, I have definitely not been brainwashed in the meantime
[17:37] <ogra_> oh, i hadnt looked at G+ yet ...
[17:38] <SturmFlut> ogra_: My G+ is going crazy since I got that MX4
[17:39] <SturmFlut> http://sturmflut.github.io/ubuntu/touch/2015/06/18/an-early-look-at-the-Meizu-MX4-ubuntu-edition/
[17:39] <ogra_> yeah, i can imagine :)
[17:39] * ogra_ just saw http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-to-Switch-Soon-to-Ubuntu-Snappy-Core-484677.shtml
[17:39] <ogra_> "soon" hah
[17:40] <SturmFlut> ogra_: I bet you five euros that your krillin and arale are already running Snappy
[17:40] <popey> i like that meizu shared an insiders video on fb
[17:40] <ogra_> SturmFlut, shhh :)
[17:40] <SturmFlut> popey: Yeah, that was very nice!
[17:40] <SturmFlut> ogra_: Just give me the money
[17:40] * ogra_ sneakse the money to SturmFlut undre the table
[17:41] * SturmFlut pretends nothing has happened
[17:41] * SturmFlut whistles
[17:41] <ogra_> lovely !
[17:41] <ogra_> "There you go, Ubuntu Touch based on Ubuntu Snappy Core and with the power to do much more than just being a phone. It could act like a Raspberry Pi on steroids."
[17:42] <nik90> popey: Meizu shared it on g+ as well .. nice to see engage with the community
[17:42] <svij> you all are hilarious :)
[18:04] <mhall119> popey: I loved seeing that too
[18:23] <pundir> hi.. i'm kind of stuck on installing vivid-preinstalled-touch-armhf on Nexus 7.
[18:23] <pundir> rootstock-touch-install doesn't finish and appears to be stuck or waiting for something
[18:24] <pundir> at: adding android system image to installation ...
[18:24] <pundir> i was able to run ubuntu-touch on Nexus 7 sometime back
[18:24] <pundir> has anything changed in between?
[18:36] <ahoneybun> mhall119: yay that update fix for GPS has the nearby scope working now!
[19:46] <crs1> hi, i am trying to flash an old revision with ubuntu-device-flash --revision=200 touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu
[19:46] <crs1> and it always flashes with the following error:
[19:46] <crs1> Cannot push /home/anna/.cache/ubuntuimages/pool/custom-f8b7a05c79b51ebe4d170c9e9cca51fe9e0898c81dd4455e7f24247ba12abcf9.tar.xz.asc to device: free space on /cache/recovery is 542M
[19:46] <crs1> any ideas?
[20:02] <popey> crs1: probably running out of space in /cache/recovery on the device - maybe clean up old files?
[20:03] <crs1> can i just delete those files in there?
[20:03] <crs1> because this seems to be totally random. i get this error 19 out of 20 times
[20:03] <crs1> but 1 out of 20 times it just works
[20:03] <popey> I think so, yes
[20:03] <popey> I have seen this too
[20:04] <Tm_T> uhuh, flashing is slow business
[20:05] <tathhu> Äh
[20:05] <crs1> the files in there are write protected... should i really delete them?
[20:05] <Tm_T> hi tathhu (:
[20:05] <tathhu> Tm_T: ^^
[20:11] <popey> crs1: what are the biggest files in there?
[20:12] <crs1> there is no file left, i deleted all of them. it still doesnt work :(
[20:12] <popey> what device is it?
[20:12] <crs1> nexus 4
[20:12] <popey> hmm
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-to-Switch-Soon-to-Ubuntu-Snappy-Core-484677.shtml
[20:33] <Tm_T> third time the charm, how annoying
[20:33] <tathhu> :d
[21:16] <Ion1> hola, ¿existe algún cliente xmpp para ubuntu phone?
[21:18] <tathhu> Ei voi tietää
[22:52] <aSheepie> Hi folks, love the new browser update in the latest OTA, and the "popup" browser in webapps is good, but is this an instance of the default browser, or somehow tied into the webapp? For example, will any cookies generated in this popup browser be set in the main browser app path, or the webapp one?
[23:59] <nhaines> aSheepie: can you give an example of a webapp with a "popup" browser?
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-mir
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[01:06] <AlbertA> @vogons: FYI mir 0.13.3 release is now waiting for QA approval
[01:06] <RAOF> Woot.
[01:49] <duflu> RAOF: Remind me what we can't load twice; is it libprotobuf or libmirprotobuf?
[01:49] <RAOF> duflu: libprotobuf
[01:49] <duflu> I recall I proposed a solution to that months ago
[01:49] <duflu> We just never implemented it
[01:49] <duflu> Need to dig it up
[01:50] <RAOF> Well, I guess it's actually libmirprotobuf, but due to a libprotobuf behaviour.
[01:52] <duflu> I also recall alf logged a manual test case somewhere
[01:52] <RAOF> Yeah, it *would* be possible to patch protobuf to not abort on us.
[01:53] <RAOF> This has been proposed upstream (at least twice that I'm aware of).
[01:55] <duflu> RAOF: Or just dlopen libprotobuf and throw away the key. Leaking it once on startup ensures the dynamic loader won't load it twice
[01:55] <RAOF> Ah, no.
[01:55] <RAOF> The problem is that libprotobuf calls abort() when we load libmirprotobuf twice.
[01:55] <duflu> RAOF: Init function?
[01:56] <RAOF> Correct.
[01:57] <RAOF> Specifically - the protobuf compiler adds an init function to libmirprotobuf that calls a libprotobuf function that is (a) necessary, and (b) aborts() if called twice.
[04:48] <RAOF> Well, *that* has profoundly unintuitive consequences...
[04:51] <RAOF> Ok, sure. Don't call mir_connection_* functions from MirConnection. Why not.
[05:26] <duflu> RAOF: I would expect deadlocks (default mutexes are not reentrant)...?
[05:27] <RAOF> This call had no mutexes held.
[05:27] <RAOF> But it turns out that it'll cause mir-client-debug-extension to fail to link :)
[11:55] <dandrader> anpok, ping
[11:58] <anpok> dandrader: pong
[11:59] <anpok> dandrader: you need relative mouse coordinates.. and hints on how to disable the cursor display of usc?
[12:00] <dandrader> anpok, I would say mouse device events instead of the higher level pointer events
[12:00] <dandrader> anpok, and yes, a way for qtmir/unity8 to disable USC cursor
[12:07] <anpok> .. we still have to implement sending raw mouse movements
[12:07] <dandrader> anpok, yeah, that card, right. https://trello.com/c/FfH2HUV8/109-add-client-api-for-subscription-to-raw-events
[12:08] <dandrader> anpok, but is it already possible to hide/disable USC cursor?
[12:08] <anpok> yes .. I think through the cursor configuration .. just checking
[12:10] <anpok> hm ok I might be wrong
[12:36] <anpok> so it seems we need to add something for both
[13:46] <dandrader> anpok, should I create a card for this "make it possible for qtmir/unity8 to hide/disable USC cursor"? or will you do it?
[14:20] <dandrader> anpok, well, I created https://trello.com/c/VrM6AVaq
[14:41] <anpok> dandrader: take a look at tests/acceptance-tests/throwback/test_client_cursor_api.cpp
[14:41] <anpok> -> DisabledCursorClient..
[14:42] <anpok> set mir_disabled_cursor_name and configure at surface
[17:44] <AlbertA> I think locking a mutex is a fundamentally bad idea....
[17:44] <AlbertA> in a destructor
[17:56] <kdub> AlbertA, maybe if there's a static that needs modifying, might be okay
[18:23] <attente> hi, is mir_surface_configure_cursor() working for anyone in the demo shell? doesn't seem to do anything for me
[18:24] <attente> tried to pass in mir_caret_cursor_name, but no luck...
[18:48] <racarr_> attente: The last time I tried I was able to run mir_Demo_client_cursors
[18:48] <racarr_> and uh
[18:48] <racarr_> hover the cursor over the surface and see the cursor change
[18:48] <racarr_> lemme try again now
[18:48] <racarr_> attente: works for me
[18:49] <racarr_> -.- which must not be particularly helpful
[18:49] <racarr_> ill help you more after lunch! I dunno what would be up with your configuration...
[18:50] <attente> racarr_: sure, thanks :)
[19:27] <racarr_> back
[19:27] <racarr_> attente: So does demo_client_cursors work
[19:53] <attente> racarr_: is there something special i need to do to build the examples?
[19:56] <racarr_> attente: No it should be there in build/bin/ or mir-demos package
[20:16] <attente> racarr_: ok, it just pops up a small grey surface, is the cursor supposed to change when i mouse over?
[20:16] <attente> it doesn't change when i click either
[20:23] <racarr_> attente: Are you perhaps on fedora or something
[20:23] <racarr_> I wonder if the cursor locations are different the
[20:23] <racarr_> XCursor loading isn't horribly sophisticated
[20:24] <racarr_> attente: There is mir_demo_client_animated_cursor which uhhh
[20:24] <racarr_> shows like a white rectangle fade opacities
[20:24] <racarr_> that doesnt require XCursor
[20:24] <racarr_> so if that works, then the cursor is working but
[20:24] <racarr_> the cursor themes aren't working
[20:25] <attente> racarr_: the animated cursor changes it to a white square that fades in repeatedly
[20:25] <attente> is it supposed to be like that? or is there some graphic usually?
[20:26] <racarr_> attente: No thats
[20:26] <racarr_> the graphic :p
[20:26] <attente> ah :)
[20:26] <racarr_> but now we've verified that setting hte cursor works
[20:26] <racarr_> but loading the themed cursor images doesn't work
[20:26] <racarr_> attente: Hmm...so...uh...
[20:26] <attente> where do those images come from usually?
[20:26] <racarr_> attente: You can file a bug and I can help at some point or
[20:26] <racarr_> attente: instrument src/server/input/xcursor_loader.cpp to see whats happening
[20:26] <racarr_> attente: I dunno lets see
[20:27] <racarr_> attente: 3rd_party/xcursor/xcursor.c
[20:27] <racarr_> #define XCURSORPATH "~/.icons:/usr/share/icons:/usr/share/pixmaps:~/.cursors:/usr/share/cursors/xorg-x11:"ICONDIR
[20:27] <racarr_> #define ICONDIR "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons"
[20:27] <racarr_> also accepted
[20:27] <racarr_> XCURSOR_PATH env var
[20:28] <attente> oh. do you think if i install adwaita-icon-theme it might work?
[20:28] <racarr_> attente: Yeah! Do you not have an icon theme?
[20:29] <racarr_> You need something in one of those directories
[20:29] <racarr_> with
[20:29] <racarr_> a cursor.theme inside
[20:29] <racarr_> uh
[20:29] <attente> racarr_: i guess i wouldn't have it under a clean jhbuild
[20:29] <racarr_> anyway if you have it ina nothe rlocation we can modify things to
[20:29] <racarr_> look there
[20:29] <racarr_> ah
[20:29] <racarr_> interesting
[20:29] <attente> racarr_: i'll try it and let you know :)
[20:29] <attente> thanks
[20:29] <racarr_> Thank you
[20:29] <racarr_> we should add some logging!
[20:39] <attente> racarr_: unfortunately no luck :(
[20:39] <racarr_> attente: I guess if it was in a nonstandard location youw ould need to set
[20:39] <racarr_> XCURSOR_PATH to the folder containing
[20:39] <racarr_> the
[20:39] <racarr_> theme folder
[20:42] <attente> racarr_: even setting it doesn't seem to work
[20:43] <racarr_> attente: Hmm...the env variable definitely works for loading non system themes because thats used in a test
[20:44] <racarr_> not sure whats going on...I guess wed need more logging to tell
[20:44] <attente> racarr_: do you know what directory the cursors are stored in your machine? can you do a dpkg -S on it to see what package they come from?
[20:48] <racarr_> attente: I have /usr/share/icons/Adwaita/cursor.theme
[20:48] <racarr_> from gnome-themes-standard-data
[20:48] <racarr_> and dmz-cursor-theme /usr/share/icons/DMZ-Black/cursor.theme
[20:48] <racarr_> + DMZ-White
[20:51] <attente> racarr_: i'm getting this from strace|grep: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737387/
[20:51] <attente> er wait
[20:51] <attente> i have to do that on the server
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-ko
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[00:00] <jun_> 안녕하세요~ 몇일만에 왔습니다 ㅎㅎㅎㅎ
[00:06] <bluedusk> 하긴 이틀동안 중단이면
[00:06] <bluedusk> ups 도 필요가 없겠네요...
[00:06] <bluedusk> 예비 발전기?!?!
[00:07] <jun_> 발전기..?
[00:34] <Work^Seony> 발전기는 있지만, 그래도 2일이면 너무 길어서 안되요
[00:54] <autowiz> 대대적으로 정전이 되거나 정전 작업 하면서
[00:54] <autowiz> 셧다운 메뉴얼도 정비하게 되고 그렇더라구요
[00:54] <autowiz> 처음으로 UPS 고장으로 전체 다운 됐을때는 앞이 막막했었어요 ㅠㅠ
[00:57] <Work^Seony> 헐... 전체다운은 좀 그렇네요
[00:57] <autowiz> 상전작업 때문에 전기가 나갔었는데 잠깐 화장실 갔다오니
[00:58] <autowiz> 전산실이 조용~ 한거에요 ㅋㅋ
[01:01] <Work^Seony> 그동안 너무 편하게 지냈는지, 매일 게임하면서도 뭔가 허전하네요 ㅎㅎ
[01:01] <Work^Seony> 진짜 레고나 해야하나...
[01:02] <bluedusk> Work^Seony, 아가씨를 만나세요 ..라고 할려고 봤더니..
[01:02] <bluedusk> 기혼이시네요..
[01:02] <bluedusk> 안타깝..
[01:02] <bluedusk> ㅠ_ㅠ
[01:02] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎ
[01:03] <Work^Seony> 미혼이래도 그건 싫어요 ㅎㅎ
[01:03] <bluedusk> Work^Seony, ceph 쪽 볼륨으로
[01:03] <Work^Seony> 앞으로 여자는 제 와이프가 마지막입니다...
[01:03] <bluedusk> db에서 사용하는것도 있나요?
[01:03] <bluedusk> 여기 db에서 ceph 볼륨 때다가 사용하는게 있는데
[01:03] <bluedusk> 그게 ceph rebalance 될때.. 성능저하가 심각한가 봐요..
[01:03] <Work^Seony> 음... 저희는 오픈스택에서 스토리지 자체를 ceph로 쓰고 있어요
[01:04] <bluedusk> 네 그건 들어서 알고 있어요
[01:04] <bluedusk> 그래서 여쭤보는거
[01:04] <bluedusk> 저도 테스트 해보긴 했는데
[01:04] <bluedusk> 약 10% 정도 성능하락이 보이긴 하더라구여ㅛ
[01:04] <Work^Seony> 리밸런싱이라면 당연히 그렇지 않을까 싶은데요...
[01:04] <bluedusk> 리벨랜싱될때..
[01:04] <bluedusk> 근데 그렇게 슬로우쿼리 떨어지면서 서비스에 장애가 일어날정도로
[01:04] <bluedusk> 문제가 발생한다는 고객사 크레임이 많은가 봐요
[01:05] <bluedusk> 캐시티어를 쓰면
[01:05] <bluedusk> 좀 괜찮아 질거 같기도 한데
[01:05] <Work^Seony> 어 그래요? 음... 그 정도까진 아닐텐데...
[01:05] <bluedusk> 일단 제가 테스트 해본 결과로는
[01:05] <Work^Seony> ceph의 기법이, osd가 많아야 성능이 제대로 나오는 구조잖아요..
[01:05] <bluedusk> 그쵸
[01:05] <Work^Seony> 아무래도 osd가 적으면 그럴수도 있을 거에요..
[01:05] <bluedusk> osd 96개 사용중이에요
[01:05] <bluedusk> 근데도 그래요
[01:05] <Work^Seony> 음... 스위치는 10g구요?
[01:06] <bluedusk> 네
[01:06] <bluedusk> 10g rr로 본딩해서 두개
[01:06] <bluedusk> vlan 태깅 해놔서그걸 놔눠 쓰긴 하는데
[01:06] <bluedusk> 역시나 아키텍쳐 전체적인 기반 자체가
[01:06] <Work^Seony> 음... 그 정도에서 osd 하나 장애 생겨서 리밸런싱하는 정도면 거의 장애가 없을텐데..
[01:06] <bluedusk> 실제 vm 10개 동시에 mysql에 sysbench로 돌려보면
[01:07] <bluedusk> 평상시에 초당 트렌잭션이 200~250개 사이에
[01:07] <bluedusk> 리밸런싱때는 150~180 정도
[01:07] <bluedusk> Work^Seony, 리밸런싱할때 웨이트? 여튼 그것도 최대한 낮췄는데도 그렇더라구요
[01:07] <Work^Seony> 근데, 좀 솔직히 말씀드리자면 저는 오픈스택이랑 ceph가 좀 그런게, 정말이지 어딘지 원인모를 성능하락이 생기는게 뭐 때문인지 정말 미치겠어요...
[01:08] <bluedusk> ㅋㅋ
[01:08] <Work^Seony> 그게 오픈스택 때문인건지, ceph 때문인건지를 모르겠는 거에요...
[01:08] <bluedusk> 일단 구조상으론 network 와osd disk i/o 말고는..
[01:08] <bluedusk> 실제 vm단에서는 io/wait가 겁나 오르긴 하던데
[01:09] <Work^Seony> 음... 저는 rrd로 ceph 클러스터 io/wait 계속 그래프 찍고 있는데요,
[01:09] <Work^Seony> idle이 거의 90%에요..
[01:10] <Work^Seony> 95%에서 내려가질 않아요
[01:35] <bluedusk> Work^Seony, ㅋㅋㅋ irqbalance 데몬이 안떠있었...;
[01:35] <bluedusk> 하아.. 진짜 여기 좀 개판인듯.;
[01:36] <Work^Seony> 헐 ㅎㅎㅎ
[01:37] <ipeter> 주식팔고나니 폭등하고
[01:37] <ipeter> 주식 사고나니 폭락하고
[01:37] <ipeter> 이게 인생인가요
[01:37] <ipeter> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[01:37] <ipeter> 아침부터 해탈하게 만듭니다.
[01:38] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎ
[01:38] <ipeter> 역시 전 투자에는 젬병인가봐요
[01:38] <ipeter> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[01:38] <ipeter> 그냥 주식에 묻어두고 살아야지
[01:38] <Work^Seony> 기술적 분석 하신거 아니에요?
[01:38] <ipeter> 아니요
[01:38] <ipeter> ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[01:38] <ipeter> 그냥 이거 괜찮다하고 사려구요.
[01:38] <Work^Seony> 설마 걍 단순히 일봉차트 분석으로만?
[01:39] <ipeter> 네네
[01:39] <Work^Seony> 아... 그러니까 그렇게 되죠 ㅎㅎ
[01:39] <Work^Seony> 원래 대형/전문 투자자들이 팔아야할 때 걔네들이 제일 먼저 팔고 가격 떨어지고나면 개미들이 팔고,
[01:40] <Work^Seony> 대형투자자들이 가장 쌀 때 사서 가격 많이 오르면 개미들이 하고...
[01:40] <ipeter> 지금 씨티가 주식을 어마어마하게 샀어요.
[01:40] <ipeter> 지금 올라탈때인가요?
[01:40] <ipeter> 시티그룹이요.
[01:40] <ipeter> ㅋㅋ
[01:40] <Work^Seony> 그 와중에 잘못된 정보가 많이 나돌게 되죠..
[01:40] <razGon_MINILA> 허걱...
[01:41] <ipeter> razGon_MINILA: 셀트리온 폭등하네요.
[01:41] <ipeter> 어제 괜히 팔았나요
[01:41] <ipeter> 다시 올라타야할지 좀 걱정이네요.
[01:59] <bluedusk> 일단 irqbalanceee 데몬 올려서 테스트 해보는데
[01:59] <bluedusk> 리발란싱때 ㅇ영향도가 좀 적었으면 하네요
[02:01] <HolyKnight> 이거 신기하네유
[02:01] <HolyKnight> http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=free&divpage=5716&no=34681370
[02:04] <bluedusk> 어차피 저랑 상관없는 이앾기라 ㅋ
[02:04] <razGon_MINILA> ^^;
[02:26] <HolyKnight> @cyfel: 인사팀장 뿐 아니라 많은 이들이 공감할만한 ... '일찍 태어나서 다행이야'라는 말을 동생놈 놀려먹기 위해서가 아니라 진지하게 되새기게 될 날이 올 줄은 몰랐다. 죄송합니다 여러분. pic.twitter.com/XHiMRBtsnZ
[02:40] <Work^Seony> 페북 우분투 페이지에 유저들이 따로 채팅방을 여는 글이 올라왔는데, 우리 "공식"채팅방은 사람들이 전혀 모르고 있다라는게 확실해졌군요...
[02:44] <bluedusk> 뭐
[02:44] <bluedusk> 그렇죠
[02:44] <bluedusk> 이미 다 따로 산으로 강으로ㅗ 바다로 우주로
[02:45] <bluedusk> beyond earth!!
[02:45] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎ
[02:46] <bluedusk> cehpp osd쪽 disk scheduler랑 network kernel parameter 조ㅗ금 바꿔봤는데 효과가 좀 있어ㅓㅆ으면 좋겠네요
[02:46] <bluedusk> 아 클라이언트쪽 op/s 가 떨어지긴 하네요
[02:46] <bluedusk> cache tier 가 답일듯..
[02:47] <bluedusk> ssd를 꼽아줘야 이걸 하지 아 진짜 답답하긴
[02:48] <bluedusk> 확실히 tuneing 하니 osd 노드쪽 i/o 분산되는건 좀더 안정적으로 보이긴 하네요
[02:48] <Work^Seony> 그렇군요. 좀 더 지켜봐야 알 수 있겠네요
[03:03] <Work^Seony> 퇴근합니다
[03:23] <midas0615> 처음 뵙겠습니다. 탈윈도우를 위해 우분투로 갈아탄 생초보입니다. 잘부탁드립니다.^^
[04:13] <bluedusk> 오
[04:13] <bluedusk> 안녕하세요
[04:13] <bluedusk> 전 탈컴맹을 위해 우분투로 갈아탄 생초보이지만 잘부탁드립니다.
[04:13] <bluedusk> 하지만 인사하신분은 이미 사라짐
[04:13] <bluedusk> jason_kr_,
[04:22] <commania> 여기 계신 분들이 컴맹이면
[04:22] <commania> 저는...ㅠㅠ
[04:25] <commania> ...페도라는 그래픽 드라이버가 말썽이군요ㅜ...
[04:25] <commania> 방학이고 하니 싹 다 지우고 우분투/ 8.1 클린설치를...
[04:25] <commania> 혹시 우분투 그놈 쓰시는 분 계세요?
[04:26] <bluedusk> 우붕투 그놈 안씀요
[04:26] <bluedusk> 전 xfce
[04:26] <bluedusk> 가끔 kde
[04:26] <bluedusk> 가끔 cinamon
[04:27] <PotatoGim> xfce나 xmonad
[04:27] <bluedusk> twm 쓰시는 ㅂㅌ 분들도 계실듯..
[05:35] <jun_> twm???
[05:52] <ircCloud^Seony> 굉장히 오래되고 기본적인 윈도우 매니저에요
[05:53] <ircCloud^Seony> 사실상 제대로 쓸 수 없는 wm이죠.
[05:57] <bluedusk> 아니에요 ㅂㅌ분들은 잘 쓰시더라구요..
[06:01] <ircCloud^Seony> ㅎㅎㅎㅎ
[06:01] <ircCloud^Seony> 그런거 쓸거면 차라리 i3 쓰는게 더 낫지 않나요?
[06:05] <PotatoGim> xmonad!
[06:05] <PotatoGim> dwm!
[06:22] <jason_kr_> 뭔 소리래요? bluedusk
[06:23] <jason_kr_> ㅋㅋㅋ
[06:29] <jun_> ..??? 대화에 낄수가 없네요... 무슨이야기인지..ㅎㅎㅎ
[07:11] <bluedusk> 오예 역시 손대면 손댈수록
[07:11] <bluedusk> 성능이 안나오네
[07:12] <bluedusk> 킹왕짱인듯 ㅋㅋ
[07:23] <PotatoGim> 오오.. 마이너스의 손
[07:23] <PotatoGim> 어떤 것을 만지셨기에...
[07:25] <bluedusk> 아무것도 손대지 않았습니다.
[07:25] <bluedusk> 전 단지 컴맹일뿐
[07:25] <bluedusk> 아 근데 진짜 만지면 만질수록 안나오네요
[07:25] <bluedusk> 짱남
[07:25] <bluedusk> ㅠ_ㅠ
[07:25] <jun_> ㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎ 그래도 성능이 안나오면 다행일지도.... 저는 만지면 뻑나는데;;;
[07:25] <jun_> 블덕님 힘내십시쇼!!!!! 할수 있습니다!
[07:25] <bluedusk> 못함
[07:25] <bluedusk> 저 컴맹이라
[07:26] <bluedusk> 만지면 뻑나는건
[07:26] <bluedusk> 고치면 되는데
[07:26] <bluedusk> 성능이슈는 좀 짱남
[07:34] <jun_> ㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎ
[07:51] <bluedusk> 아흠
[07:51] <bluedusk> 뭐 만족할만한 결과는 안나오네요
[07:51] <bluedusk> 쩝 한계인듯
[08:36] <commania> 안녕하세요 선교님ㅎㅎ
[08:36] <commania> 저 기억하세요?
[09:42] <sungyo> comnaia, 꾸벅....
[09:43] <sungyo> 제가 너무 오랜만에 왔나보네요
[09:45] <HolyKnight> ㅎㅇㅇ
[10:01] <sungyo> 컴매니아..입으로 읽으니 기억이 나네요
[10:01] <sungyo> 웁?
[10:02] <sungyo> 나가신줄 모르고 뒷북을 둥둥둥...
[10:09] <autowiz> 블더님 계신가요?
[10:10] <autowiz> 유닉스 엔지니어 구한다는곳 있어서 추천드릴까 하구요 , 저도 뭐 자세한건 모르는 상황인데 전화라도 한번 드려보시는건 어떨까 싶어서
[10:37] <commania> 안녕하세요
[10:38] <commania> 자꾸 라즈베리파이에 연결한 하드가 접촉불량으로 떨어져서...
[10:38] <commania> 양면테이프로 고정시켜놓고 다시 접속합니다
[10:39] <commania> 한번 떨어지면 재부팅해야 다시 제자리로 마운트되니까 여간 불편한게 아니죠..
[10:58] <HolyKnight> 아까 성요님
[10:58] <HolyKnight> 오셔뜸
[11:15] <commania> 엇갈렸군요..
[11:16] <sungyo> 후들후들....
[11:16] <sungyo> 하...하드가 접촉 불량....
[11:16] <sungyo> 2.5인갇요?
[11:16] <commania> 네
[11:16] <sungyo> 무섭군요.. ㅎ...하드가 접촉불량이라뇨
[11:16] <commania> 옛날 노트북 하드고요
[11:16] <sungyo> 스카시?
[11:16] <commania> 외장하드 케이스에 넣어서 라즈베리파이에 물렸습니다
[11:16] <commania> 그래서 접촉 불량이 난 거에요
[11:17] <sungyo> 그럼 USB단자?
[11:17] <commania> 외장하드 케이스가 친구한테 얻어 온 건데 USB 단자가 불안불안...
[11:17] <commania> 네
[11:17] <sungyo> 아 이거 무섭군요
[11:17] <commania> SATA입니다
[11:17] <commania> 스카시급으로 옛날은 아니고요ㅎㅎ;;
[11:17] <sungyo> 제일로 무서운거...원격지에 하드가 접촉불량으로 부팅이 멈췄을 때
[11:17] <commania> 전 스카시는 옛날 컴퓨터 책에서만 본 세대라...
[11:17] <sungyo> 3시간을 달려가야 하는 상황.ㅡ,.ㅡ
[11:18] <sungyo> 3시간을!
[11:18] <commania> 여름밤에 어울리는 무서운 이야기군요
[11:18] <sungyo> 단자 하나 접촉이 안된 것 만으로...
[11:18] <commania> 스카시=SCSI던가요?
[11:18] <sungyo> 몇번 당해보고 나면, '서버'란 모롬지기 튼튼해야 함'을 몸소 뼈속 깊~이 배우게 되더라구요
[11:19] <sungyo> IDE라고 하는군요.
[11:19] <commania> 아 스카시가 IDE에요???
[11:19] <sungyo> IDE중 최근 방식이 스카시였나..아마 그랬던걸로...
[11:19] <commania> 아......
[11:19] <sungyo> 정확히 제가 여쭐려 한 용어는 IDE였어요.
[11:20] <sungyo> 인터넷에서 '디지털 네이티브'라는 중고책을 한권 구매했는데...
[11:20] <commania> IDE 외장하드도 하나 가지고 있는데,
[11:20] <sungyo> 왠걸 펼쳐보니 영문으로, 저자 인사말과 필체사인이 떡!
[11:20] <sungyo> 친필사인이 떡!
[11:20] <commania> 그건 멀쩡하고 지금 쓰는 SATA 외장하드는 접촉불량이 난 상황...
[11:20] <commania> 초판이었나요?
[11:21] <sungyo> 모르겠어요 그랬는지...
[11:21] <commania> 아니면 직접 사인을 받은 책이었을까요?
[11:21] <commania> 얼마전에 인터넷에서 이런 글을 봤어요.
[11:21] <sungyo> 주저리주저리 적어저있는거 보니, 저자가 직접 사인해서 보냈나봐요
[11:21] <commania> 학교 도서관에 웹툰 단행본이 들어왔는데
[11:21] <commania> 친필사인이 된 초판본이었다고...
[11:22] <commania> 요즘은 무슨 초판 중 100권은 사인본이라던지 그런 게 있나 봐요
[11:22] <sungyo> 그냥 사인도 아니고 저자가 주저리주저리 편지도 적어줬어요
[11:22] <commania> 저는 디지털 네이티브일까요.
[11:22] <sungyo> 한국어판이 나와서 나 정말기쁘다!
[11:22] <sungyo> 이를 통해 사업이 확장되길 바란다!
[11:23] <commania> 어렸을 땐 아버지 방에서 흘러 나오는 모뎀 접속음을 들으며 자랐으며
[11:23] <commania> 초등학교 3학년 때부터 온라인 활동을 시작
[11:23] <commania> 중학교 가서는 기계덕후...
[11:24] <sungyo> 옹아리를 모댐 접속음으로 할 기새군요
[11:24] <sungyo> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[11:24] <commania> 제가 배운 첫 영어단어가...
[11:24] <commania> 섬바디 헬프미!
[11:24] <sungyo> 아빠~ 엄마~ 이거 말고....'치지지지직~ 삐~~'
[11:24] <sungyo> SOMEBODY HELP ME~
[11:24] <sungyo> 어느 섭이셨나요 ㅋ
[11:24] <commania> 서버요?
[11:24] <commania> 버추어캅이라는 패키지 게임이었습니다.
[11:24] <sungyo> SOMEBODY HELP ME -> 왠지 해외 온라인 게임 냄새가...
[11:24] <commania> 아버지가 하셨고요
[11:25] <sungyo> 아...
[11:25] <commania> 아버지는 그 당시 인터넷 커뮤니티도 오유, 디시인사이드 등 많이 돌아다니셨다고 합니다..
[11:26] <commania> 저도 커서 알았어요
[11:26] <commania> 어머니도 당연 잘 모르셨고요
[11:26] <sungyo> 몇년생이세요?
[11:26] <commania> 96년생이요
[11:26] <sungyo> 19?18?
[11:26] <commania> 99년도에 집에 컴퓨터 들어왔으니...
[11:26] <commania> 스물이죠
[11:26] <commania> 대학 새내기입니다
[11:27] <sungyo> 그러셨군요...
[11:27] <Darkcircle> 96년생이면 -ㅅ-
[11:27] <sungyo> 쥐띠?
[11:27] <Darkcircle> 채연옹이랑 동갑인데
[11:27] <commania> 선교님은 전에 1월 세미나에서 뵜던 것 같은데요ㅎㅎ
[11:27] <Darkcircle> 대학 다니는 아저씨(?)
[11:27] <commania> 그때 대학 들어간다고 말씀드렸었죠...
[11:27] <sungyo> 베어본 들고나온 아저씨와 마주치셨다면 제가 맞습니다.
[11:27] <Darkcircle> 아저씨랰ㅋㅋ
[11:27] <commania> 네 조택이었나 그...
[11:27] <Darkcircle> 세상에 -ㅠ-
[11:28] <sungyo> 네...구입하면 조타 만다는 그 조택...
[11:28] <Darkcircle> 베어본 좋은데 -ㅅ- 업글만 잘하면 ... 안해도 SSD 붙이고 잘 쓰기만 하면..
[11:28] <sungyo> 음. 생각해보니 데스크탑 구매로 그 베어본이 남을 기새인데,
[11:28] <sungyo> 이번기회에 그거로 섭을 갈아타야겠군요.
[11:28] <Darkcircle> 실험용으로 쓰기에 참 좋죠 (?) 아마도 ...
[11:28] <sungyo> 전기세를 서버가 너무 많이 냠냠냠 잡아먹어서...
[11:28] <Darkcircle> 난 itx 보드로 갈아타고 싶은데 -ㅅ- 침울 ...
[11:29] <commania> 얼마전에 사촌 동생 집에 갔다가
[11:29] <commania> 놀라운 광경을 목격했어요
[11:29] <sungyo> 발열도 많고...
[11:29] <sungyo> 서버실에 들어가면 열기가 후!끈!
[11:29] <sungyo> ㅡ,.ㅡ?
[11:29] <commania> 10살입니다 사촌동생이...
[11:29] <sungyo> ㅡ,.ㅡ??
[11:29] <Darkcircle> 요새 10살은 무서워요.
[11:29] <sungyo> (궁금.궁금)
[11:29] <Darkcircle> 건들면 안됨 ㅋㅋ
[11:29] <commania> 근데 컴퓨터에 윈도우10을 뙇!
[11:29] <sungyo> 윈십?윈쉽?
[11:29] <commania> 윈도우7과 듀얼부팅까지!
[11:30] <commania> 파티션도 본인이 나눴는지 어쨌는진 몰라도
[11:30] <Darkcircle> 난 요새 ... 초딩중에 12~13살 정도면 좀 휘어잡을 수 있을거 같은데 10~11살은 절대 못건드림
[11:30] <sungyo> 잘 하면 배치파일까지 짤 기새군요.
[11:30] <commania> 잘 나눠져 있었고요
[11:30] <Darkcircle> 14~15살도 마찬가지 중2병들 ㅋㅋㅋ
[11:30] <commania> 배치파일은...
[11:30] <commania> 저는 고딩땐가? 포탈 복돌 할려고 짰었...
[11:31] <commania> 물론 지금은 정품입니다. 연쇄할인마...ㅠ
[11:31] <Darkcircle> steam? ㅋㅋ
[11:31] <commania> 네
[11:31] <commania> 포탈이 스팀 게임이죠
[11:31] <sungyo> 태블릿pc를 사서 우분투를 깔았는데
[11:31] <sungyo> 나쁘지 않네요.
[11:31] <commania> 오호
[11:31] <commania> 어떤 기종을 사셨나요?
[11:32] <Darkcircle> steam때문에 오리진이 무리수를 두고 있죠 .. 갑자기 생각나네 "지나친 세일은 게임의 격을 떨어뜨립니다" 던가 =3
[11:32] <commania> Vivotab note 8 사용중인데
[11:32] <sungyo> SONY VAIO DUO 11(자랑하게 대문자로..)
[11:32] <commania> 리눅스깔고싶어서 근질근질합니다
[11:32] <commania> 베이트레일은 아직 리눅스가 안 깔리더라고요
[11:32] <Darkcircle> Sony vaio가 노트북 사업부를 한국에서 치웠죠?
[11:32] <sungyo> 그런거 같아요.;
[11:32] <Darkcircle> 발암기업 Sony vaio
[11:32] <Darkcircle> ... 내가 복수전공하게 만든 ...
[11:32] <commania> 바이오 자체가
[11:32] <commania> 소니에서 분사됐죠
[11:33] <commania> 튕기셨...?
[11:33] <Darkcircle> 바이오 서비스 센터 엔지니어 졸라 실력없음. ..
[11:33] <sungyo> 그 발암기업에 데인 장본인 -> DC
[11:33] <commania> DC요?
[11:33] <commania> 아아
[11:33] <sungyo> 닭썱...
[11:33] <sungyo> 타이핑하기 귀찮..
[11:33] <commania> DC는 디씨코믹스인가 디씨인사이드인가 할인인가
[11:33] <sungyo> 끙;
[11:33] <Darkcircle> 솔직히 그때 고장났던거 초딩한테 고치라고 시켰으면 엔지니어보다 더 잘고쳐요
[11:33] <commania> 직류전원인가
[11:34] <commania> 제 사촌동생 불러올게요(?)
[11:34] <bluedusk> 엌
[11:34] <sungyo> AS발암을 무릎쓰고 바이오로 간 이유는...
[11:34] <sungyo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Laptop/Sony/Vaio/Duo11/Trusty
[11:34] <Darkcircle> 그거 예전에 전원부 타서 버렸 ...
[11:34] <bluedusk> 초굇수 Darkcircle 님이다
[11:34] <sungyo> 순전히 저 글을 읽고...
[11:34] <sungyo> bluedusk 꾸벅..
[11:34] <Darkcircle> 헐 우주의 신 급 실력을 갖춘 블덕옹께서 저한테 그러시면 ...
[11:34] <Darkcircle> "개미 퍼먹어" 잖아요 OTL
[11:34] <Darkcircle> =3
[11:34] <commania> 근데 요즘의 컴덕 꿈나무들은
[11:35] <commania> 드라이버라는 개념이 희미해져가요..
[11:35] <bluedusk> sungyo, 안녕하세요
[11:35] <bluedusk> 아니 제대로 할줄아는언어도 하나 없는 제가 우주의 신급이면...
[11:35] <commania> 그도 그럴것이 윈도우8부터 웬만한 드라이버는 내장이라...
[11:35] <bluedusk> 도대체..
[11:35] <sungyo> 드라이버, 그거 뭔가요, 뭐 쪼이고 풀때 쓰는거 아닌가요..
[11:35] <commania> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[11:35] <commania> 그게 정확히
[11:35] <Darkcircle> 내장의 개념이기보단
[11:35] <Darkcircle> 그냥 패키지에 넣고 파는거죠
[11:35] <commania> 그 10살짜리 사촌동생이 했던 말입니다
[11:35] <sungyo> 우행행행~ ^0^
[11:36] <Darkcircle> 마치 리눅스 커널에 드라이버가 이미 딸려들어가 있듯.
[11:36] <Darkcircle> 뭐 내장이 틀린 말은 아니니까 사실...
[11:36] <sungyo> 방학이 되니 업무량이 폭주...
[11:36] <Darkcircle> 내장이 embedded도 되지만 built-in
[11:36] <commania> 후 방학은 했다만...
[11:36] <sungyo> 읽어야 할 책이 산더미...
[11:36] <Darkcircle> 전 작년까지만해도 오 방학이군 -ㅅ- 평화로워졌어 ...
[11:36] <Darkcircle> 였는데
[11:36] <commania> 제 학점이 리눅스 커널 버전이랑 비슷할 것 같아서 걱정입니다...
[11:36] <Darkcircle> 올해는 무슨 방학이 메르스로 장악 ...
[11:37] <commania> 아 맞다 4.0 나왔...
[11:37] <sungyo> 전 그럼 강의준비 하러 좀 들어가보겠습니다.
[11:37] <commania> 네 안녕히가세요
[11:37] <Darkcircle> mainline : 4.1-rc8, stable : 4.0.5, longterm : 3.18.16, linux-next : next-20150618
[11:37] <Darkcircle> 이미 커널이 저렇게 나와있 ..
[11:37] <commania> 네...ㅋㅋ
[11:37] <commania> 학점이 4.1이면
[11:37] <Darkcircle> 강의준비라니 -ㅅ- ...
[11:38] <commania> 초굇수...
[11:38] <sungyo> 닭섥 혹시 카ㅋ오 봇 돌리는거 있나요?
[11:38] <Darkcircle> 카카오요? API도 없을텐데 ..
[11:38] <commania> 커널버전하니
[11:38] <Darkcircle> IRC 봇이라면야 돌릴수는 있는데 ...
[11:38] <sungyo> 뚫어서 많이들 돌리던데...
[11:38] <commania> 얼마전에 학생회관 서점에서 전공서적 원서를 만원 균일가에 팔더라고요
[11:38] <Darkcircle> 애초 이 채널 철칙이 봇은 안돌리는게 맞 ...
[11:39] <commania> 한번 지금은 못 알아먹더라도 컴덕컴덕한 서적을 사볼려고
[11:39] <sungyo> 저희 반 클래스에서 하나 돌렸으면 하는데 공개된 소스가 이전거라 잘 안되더라구요.
[11:39] <Darkcircle> 제한적으로 일부 기능만 돌리는 목적으로 쓸 수는 있는데 웬만하면 안하는게 맞다고 봐요 . 예전에 봇돌렸다가 이 채널 골로 간적이 있어서 .
[11:39] <commania> 들여다보다 리눅스 커널 개발 서적이 눈에 들어왔는데...
[11:39] <sungyo> <- 이 채널?
[11:39] <sungyo> 묘봇
[11:39] <commania> 2.4버전 기준 서술...
[11:39] <Darkcircle> 묘봇 말고 ... 훨씬 전에
[11:39] <commania> 심지어 부록이 CD입니다...
[11:39] <commania> 언제적 책인지...
[11:39] <sungyo> 그리고보니 묘봇이 조용한에ㅛ
[11:39] <Darkcircle> 우분투 챈이 HanIRC를 주서버로 두고 있을 무렵
[11:40] <Darkcircle> 거의 6년전이구나
[11:40] <commania> 여기 채널 개설일이 접속할 때 뜨던데
[11:40] <Darkcircle> 2.4는 버리시고 ... 아마 대학교 다니신다니까
[11:40] <commania> 2009년쯤이네요
[11:40] <Darkcircle> 도서관 잘 뒤져보세요
[11:40] <commania> 네 그럴 생각입니다
[11:40] <Darkcircle> 도서관에 진짜 애들이 거들떠보지도 않는 별의별 책들이 있으니 ...
[11:40] <sungyo> 누가 파일 공개하면 일일이 다운받기가 번거로와서, 하나 돌려볼까 찾아봤는데 잘 안되더라구요.
[11:40] <Darkcircle> 대학원생도 우습게도 .. 도서관 활용 잘 안함.
[11:41] <commania> 이번 방학 반은 집에 올라가 있고
[11:41] <commania> 반은 광주에 머물 건데
[11:41] <sungyo> 세종대였나, 거기선 봇이 '식단'도 알려주고 막 그러던데
[11:41] <Darkcircle> GIST?
[11:41] <commania> 아쉽게도 집에 있을 기간의 우분투 나눔행사가 취소됐군요...
[11:41] <commania> 전대입니다.
[11:41] <Darkcircle> 전대면 ...
[11:41] <commania> 지스트면 좋겠으나...ㅠㅠ
[11:41] <sungyo> 생각해보니 봇을 돌리면서 역으로 학교 내 각급별 카톡을 실시간으로 모니터링해보는것도 나쁘지 않...
[11:41] <Darkcircle> 여기 가끔 오는 LinDol옹이 선배일텐데
[11:42] <Darkcircle> bluedusk, 그렇지 않냐옹 /-ㅠ-/
[11:42] <commania> 예전에 우분투 광주 나눔행사를 저희 과가 있는 건물에서 했더라고요
[11:42] <Darkcircle> 맞아요. 그거 행사 주관하신분이 린돌옹임.
[11:42] <commania> 지금은 일반개방을 하지 않아서 행사를 더 이상 할 수 없지만요...
[11:42] <Darkcircle> 지금 초~대기업 ㅇ 모 회사에서 노예생활(?)을 하고 있지만
[11:42] <commania> ㅇ...
[11:42] <Darkcircle> 원래 일반 개방 안해요
[11:43] <sungyo> ㅇ...ㅇ...
[11:43] <commania> 원래는 누리라운지 개방 했었습니다.
[11:43] <sungyo> ㅇㄹㅋ?
[11:43] <Darkcircle> 개방을 안하는게 맞아요.
[11:43] <commania> 선배들의 증언에 의하면...
[11:43] <Darkcircle> 그리고 개방을 한다고 하면 계약하고 사용료를 지불해야해요
[11:43] <Darkcircle> 그게 맞는거.
[11:43] <commania> 지금은 학생들한테도 예약받고 열어주죠
[11:43] <Darkcircle> 학생들한테는 개방해주는게 맞는데 ...
[11:44] <Darkcircle> 전 그걸 운영적 경험까지 해본 입장이라 (...)
[11:44] <Darkcircle> 그냥 개방은 안되고 ... 시간대별 팀별로 ...
[11:44] <Darkcircle> 같은 사람에게는 며칠 이내로 중복 예약 못하게 ...
[11:44] <commania> 중복예약은 가능하게 되어있습니다
[11:44] <Darkcircle> 과별로 인원별로 돌아가면서 예약할 수 있게 그렇게 관리를 해요
[11:44] <commania> 대신 시간대별로 전날에 예약은 꼭 해야 하죠
[11:44] <Darkcircle> 물론 중복 예약이 가능하려면
[11:45] <Darkcircle> 사용 인원이 별로 없는 경우에 한해서임
[11:45] <Darkcircle> 여기 인서울권 대학 올라오면
[11:45] <commania> 생각보다 별로 없어요
[11:45] <Darkcircle> 애들 팀 과제 한다고 막 6~7시까지 라운지 쓰다 가는 애들 있음.
[11:45] <Darkcircle> 세미나실만 해도 과 건물에 6~7개 박아놨는데
[11:45] <commania> 예약 안해도 되는 그냥 나무 벤치가 있어서...
[11:45] <Darkcircle> 그거가지고 안차니까 아얘 강의실 방 벽을 몽땅 뽀개고
[11:46] <commania> 예약들 귀찮아서 보통 거기서 팀과제를...
[11:46] <Darkcircle> 비오는날에는 폭망 ㅋㅋ
[11:46] <commania> 실내에 있습니다
[11:46] <bluedusk> 몰려요
[11:46] <bluedusk> 전 컴맹이라 잘모름
[11:46] <Darkcircle> 사실 음 대학교 라운지에 가장 필요한건
[11:46] <commania> 그래도 어느정도 개방되어있어서 시원하니까 많이 쓰더라고요ㅋㅋ
[11:46] <Darkcircle> 음료 디스펜서가 아닌가 싶은데
[11:46] <Darkcircle> 콜라를 무한정 뽑아먹을 수 있는 -ㅠ-
[11:46] <commania> 저희는 자판기 보기 힘들어요ㅠ
[11:47] <Darkcircle> 자판기 말고 음료 디스펜서요
[11:47] <commania> 아 그
[11:47] <Darkcircle> 맥도날드 같은데서 볼수 있는 ... 컵 대면 나오는거
[11:47] <Darkcircle> ㅇㅇ
[11:47] <commania> 롯X리아같은데 있는...
[11:47] <Darkcircle> 얼음 나오는데 대면 드르륵 하고 얼음 나오고
[11:47] <commania> 무한정...이면 현실적으로 어렵지 않을까요...
[11:47] <Darkcircle> 학교가 돈이 얼마나 많은데 그걸 못하겠어요 ㅋㅋ 관리가 문제일 뿐이지 ... 전문 관리생 배치하면 일도 아니죠
[11:48] <Darkcircle> 어차리 탄산 탱크 붙이고 음료 베이스 넣고 물넣고 하는게 다인데
[11:48] <Darkcircle> 아침에 6시쯤 돌리기 시작해서 8시쯤 되면 시원하게 이미 다 준비되어 있고
[11:48] <commania> 캬...
[11:48] <sungyo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMZZ7SZ-4Qw
[11:48] <commania> 진짜 있으면 좋긴하겠네요
[11:49] <commania> 근데 저희 학생회에선 절대 안해주겠죠
[11:49] <Darkcircle> 전 자판기 관리 직접 해봤어요.
[11:49] <commania> 음료 흘린다고...
[11:49] <Darkcircle> 커피 뽑아먹는거 캔 자판기 둘 다.
[11:49] <Darkcircle> 음료 흘리지 않게 하려면
[11:49] <Darkcircle> 테이블에 홀을 뚫어서 컵을 거기에 꼽고 있게 하면됨.
[11:50] <sungyo> 홀은 누가 뚫죠....
[11:50] <sungyo> ㅡ,.ㅡ
[11:50] <sungyo> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[11:50] <Darkcircle> 테이블 주문 배치할때 뚫어달라고 하면 되죠
[11:50] <sungyo> 아.....
[11:50] <sungyo> 전 힘좋은 드릴과 뚫는 연장을 생각하고 있...
[11:51] <sungyo> 역시 사람은 배워야 하는군요 \^0^/
[11:51] <Darkcircle> 그런거 안하면 제품 팔지 말아야지. 대형 조직에서 업체한테 기자재를 사는 이유가
[11:51] <commania> 드론이라...
[11:51] <Darkcircle> 업체가 나중에 지 능력 가지고 있는대로 커스터마이징을 다 해주는거기 때문에
[11:51] <commania> 드론이라는 개념 자체는 있은지 오래되지 않았나요?
[11:51] <Darkcircle> 물론 당연히 추가 비용 있고 .
[11:51] <Darkcircle> 드론 말고 드릴.
[11:52] <sungyo> 드릴 말고 드론...
[11:52] <commania> 저 유튜브 동영상에 관한 겁니다ㅎㅎ
[11:52] <Darkcircle> 아 저거 ...
[11:52] <commania> 세 얼간이라는 영화에서 주인공 란초가 날리죠
[11:53] <commania> 1999년에...
[11:53] <commania> (물론 개봉년도가 아닌 작중년도가 1999년입니다)
[11:54] <bluedusk> 아니 저도
[11:54] <bluedusk> 퇴근하고 싶다구요
[11:54] <bluedusk> 왜
[11:54] <Darkcircle> 웬지 선이 불안한듯 (ㅋㅋㅋ)
[11:54] <bluedusk> 전 퇴근을 안하는거죠?
[11:54] <Darkcircle> 왜때문에 ㅡ,.ㅡ
[11:54] <Darkcircle> ㅠㅠ
[11:54] <commania> 그래서 전 안정적이게
[11:54] <commania> 유선망에 연결된 라즈베리파이로 접속하고
[11:55] <commania> SSH 접속으로 쓰지요...
[11:55] <commania> 채팅 하나 하겠다고 뻘짓...
[11:55] <bluedusk> 전 회사에서 테스트 서버 달라니간
[11:55] <bluedusk> 32코어에 램 128기가 짜리 서버를 주던데요
[11:55] <bluedusk> 근데 하드가 120...
[11:55] <Darkcircle> 갑부 -ㅅ-
[11:55] <bluedusk> ..........
[11:55] <Darkcircle> ㅋㅋ
[11:55] <Darkcircle> 120!
[11:55] <commania> 언밸런스하네요
[11:55] <Darkcircle> 좋...다 말았 -ㅅ-
[11:55] <bluedusk> 근데 ssd가 아닌게 함정
[11:55] <commania> 아니 설마 120TB라던가?!?
[11:55] <bluedusk> 120GB
[11:55] <commania> 농담입니다ㅋ
[11:55] <bluedusk> 128Gb 더라구요
[11:55] <Darkcircle> 젠투 깔아쓰기에 딱 좋을듯
[11:55] <bluedusk> 그래서 램디스크 깔아씀
[11:56] <bluedusk> 이미 데뱐깔았
[11:56] <bluedusk> 젠투따위
[11:56] <bluedusk> 묘족이나
[11:56] <bluedusk> 캬아앙아아아아앙
[11:56] <Darkcircle> 젠투 따위라니 -ㅅ-
[11:56] <Darkcircle> -ㅅ- ...
[11:56] <commania> 크악 램이 하드만하다니...
[11:56] <bluedusk> vm에서 ssd 테스트 할일있으면
[11:56] <bluedusk> 램디스크에다가 이미지 만들어서 씀
[11:56] <bluedusk> ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[11:57] <commania> 램이 스스디보다도 빠르지않나요?
[11:57] <bluedusk> 뭐 그럴까요?
[11:57] <bluedusk> 전 컴맹이라 그런거 물어보셔도 모릅니다.
[11:57] <bluedusk> 아몰랑몰랑 열매 먹음
[11:57] <Darkcircle> 거짓말 "장이" -ㅅ-
[11:57] <Darkcircle> (...)
[11:57] <commania> 여기 저보다 컴맹이신 분은 없으신것 같은데ㅠ
[11:58] <bluedusk> -_-?
[11:58] <commania> 겸손하셔요...ㅎㅎ
[11:58] <bluedusk> 전 국가공인 컴맹임
[11:58] <bluedusk> 국가공인 컴맹 자격증
[11:58] <bluedusk> -_-)v
[11:58] <Darkcircle> 난 개미나 퍼먹어야 -ㅅ-
[11:58] <Darkcircle> -ㅠ-v
[11:58] <bluedusk> 헐 초절정 굇수 개발자가 그러시면 곤란함
[11:59] <bluedusk> 역시 이 회사는 오래 다닐게 못되는듯
[11:59] <bluedusk> 진짜 회사 들어갔는데 뭔가 물어보거나
[11:59] <bluedusk> 토론할사람이 없다 그러면
[11:59] <bluedusk> 걍 나오는게 좋은듯
[12:02] <Darkcircle> 일을 몰아 던지는 스타일인가 보네요 -ㅅ-
[12:02] <Darkcircle> 어디훼사길래 -ㅠ- ;;
[12:02] <Darkcircle> 그정도면 CTO 급으로 들어가는거나 마찬가지 아닌가 -ㅅ-;
[12:03] <Darkcircle> 근데 대우가 일개사원급이면 ... 훼사가 막장이거나 고용 담당자가 막장이거나 ..
[12:04] <Darkcircle> 지금 이시간에도 열심히 젠투는 어딘가 구석을 열심히 빌드 중 ...
[12:16] <HolyKnight> 블루찡....
[12:17] <HolyKnight> 회사추천하던데유
[12:52] <bluedusk> ㅇ_ㅇ?
[12:52] <autowiz> 뭐 조그만 회사 인거 같습니다 자세히는 모르겠는데.
[12:52] <bluedusk> ㅇ_ㅇ?
[12:52] <autowiz> 근데... 거기 가도 뭘 물어볼 사람이 있을지 없을지 ㅠㅠ
[12:53] <bluedusk> 뭐 가도 기술적인 이슈를 토론하거나 물어볼사람이 없으면
[12:53] <bluedusk> 걍 ..
[12:53] <autowiz> 괜히 잘 모르는회사 소개시켜줬다고 욕만 바가지리 먹는건 아닐런지 ㅎㅎ
[12:53] <bluedusk> 홀리찡 저 회사 추천해주시게요?
[12:53] <autowiz> 제 지인이 서버 엔지니어 요청 하시더라구요
[12:53] <bluedusk> Darkcircle, 일을 몰아던지는게 아니라 걍
[12:53] <bluedusk> 애초에 첫단추부터 잘못꼬매둔..
[12:54] <bluedusk> autowiz, 저 리누기 말고는 할줄아는게 ㅇ벗어요
[12:54] <bluedusk> 심지어 하드웨어는 모름
[12:54] <Darkcircle> 걍 ~= 막 (...) 헐 -ㅅ-
[12:54] <Darkcircle> ...........
[12:55] <bluedusk> 아니 첨에 구축했을때 성능테스트나 복구 절차라던가 그런걸
[12:55] <bluedusk> 다 그려놧어야 하는데
[12:55] <bluedusk> 담주 월욜날 서비스 오픈한다는데
[12:55] <bluedusk> 그런게 하나도 안돼어있..
[12:55] <bluedusk> 팀장은 걍 하면 되는거 아니냐는 소리나 하고
[12:55] <Darkcircle> 나오는게 답이군요
[12:55] <bluedusk> 그럼 디스크 레이드1으로 묶자는 소리나 하고
[12:55] <Darkcircle> ...
[12:55] <Darkcircle> 멍청하네 -ㅅ- ...
[12:55] <bluedusk> 난또 거기에 낚여서
[12:55] <Darkcircle> 파닥파닥 /-ㅠ-/
[12:55] <bluedusk> 성능 비교 테스트 자료 2주동안이나 만들어줬는데
[12:55] <bluedusk> 문제는 디스크가 물리적으로 나가는게 아니였...-_-
[12:56] <Darkcircle> 스펙도 대충 ... 돌리는것도 대충 다 대충
[12:56] <bluedusk> 스펙은
[12:56] <bluedusk> 초 오버사양
[12:56] <bluedusk> ....
[12:56] <Darkcircle> 적어도 KVM 기반인지 아닌지 정도는 알려주는게 맞는거 아닌가 -ㅅ-
[12:56] <Darkcircle> "돈지랄" 이군요 ㅡ,.ㅡ
[12:56] <Darkcircle> ...
[12:56] <bluedusk> openstack + ceph 이에요
[12:56] <Darkcircle> 웬지 돈지랄 맞는듯 -ㅅ-
[12:57] <bluedusk> 근데 ceph에서 osd 죽거나 그래서 rebalance 일어날때 i/o가 떨어지는 문제...
[12:57] <bluedusk> 근데 문제는 openstack에서 db로 쓰는 instance들이 치명적인..
[12:57] <Darkcircle> ceph 정도면 꽤 "막 굴릴 만한" 시스템인데
[12:57] <bluedusk> 성능저하가
[12:57] <Darkcircle> 쿨럭 ㅡ,.ㅡ;
[12:57] <Darkcircle> 혹시 어딘가에서 메모리 많이 처먹는거 아닌가효 ㅡ,.ㅡ
[12:57] <bluedusk> 아뇨
[12:57] <Darkcircle> DB면 메모리/IO-sensitive인데
[12:57] <Darkcircle> 근본적으로
[12:58] <bluedusk> rebalance 할때 일어나는 i/o랑 openstack 쪽에서 요청되는write i/o랑 병목이 생기는게 원인인거 같은데
[12:58] <bluedusk> 어케 분리 시킬 방법이 cache-tier 쓰는거 말고는 없을거 같아서
[12:58] <bluedusk> 2주전부터 이야기 하다가
[12:58] <bluedusk> 나머지 가능한 방법 다 해서 보여주고
[12:58] <bluedusk> 오늘 ssd도 아닌 걍 sata disk로 cache-tier 풀 구성해서
[12:58] <bluedusk> i/o 분리 시켜 볼려고
[12:58] <bluedusk> 삽질중
[12:59] <Darkcircle> 뭐 결론적으론 해보고 "돼/안돼" 이거 남은 상황인거 같은데
[12:59] <Darkcircle> 결국 독고다이네요
[12:59] <bluedusk> Darkcircle, 근데 팀장이 아키텍쳐를 다 그렸다는데
[12:59] <Darkcircle> 이걸 가지고 다음주 월욜에 서비스 오픈한다
[12:59] <bluedusk> 그 아키텍쳐에 대한 책임이 없음
[12:59] <bluedusk> 걍 말로만..
[12:59] <Darkcircle> 이건 나가 죽을 각.
[12:59] <bluedusk> ... 아님 안된다고 배쨰라..
[12:59] <Darkcircle> 어디 회사예요 ?ㅅ?
[12:59] <bluedusk> 아니면 하드웨어로 때울려고 그러고
[12:59] <bluedusk> ....
[12:59] <Darkcircle> 아 여기선 말하면 안되겠구나 =3
[12:59] <bluedusk> 저 이번에 이직한데
[13:00] <Darkcircle> 차라리 이전 직장이 더 나은듯
[13:00] <bluedusk> 예전 회사는 그래도 이슈 생기면
[13:00] <bluedusk> 좀 물어보고 토론하고
[13:00] <Darkcircle> 능력껏 할 수 있는데까지 열심히 파고 가는 스타일.
[13:00] <bluedusk> 같이 고민할대라도 있었지
[13:00] <bluedusk> 이건 ...
[13:00] <bluedusk> 아키텍쳐를 제가 뜯어 고쳐야 할판..;
[13:00] <Darkcircle> 딱 이스타일이네요
[13:00] <Darkcircle> "해봤는데 이상하네."
[13:00] <Darkcircle> (툭 던져주면서) 알아서 해봐.
[13:00] <bluedusk> 근데 팀장이 올해 연봉이 7...
[13:00] <Darkcircle> 해결 봐. 되면 말해 끗.
[13:00] <bluedusk> 시밤
[13:00] <bluedusk> 딱 일할맘이 떨어짐 ㅋ
[13:01] <bluedusk> 아니 사실 이건 아키텍쳐 그리면서 초기에 다 집고 넘어갔어야 할 문제인데
[13:01] <Darkcircle> 웬지 -.- 저 2월달까지 일하다 빡쳐서 팽 시킨 모업체 대표랑 딱 똑같네요
[13:01] <bluedusk> 말로는 성능테스트 해봤다는데 자료도 안남아 있고
[13:01] <Darkcircle> PM ㅈ같이 하는거 ..
[13:01] <Darkcircle> 아키텍처 그리라고 하면 중간에 다 빠져있고
[13:01] <Darkcircle> 대충 이거 붙이면 돼 이 동작만 되면 되는거야
[13:02] <bluedusk> 아니 차라리 그러면
[13:02] <bluedusk> 제가 아키텍쳐 그려서
[13:02] <Darkcircle> 근데 갑한테 가서 다 물어보면 시스템 졸라 복잡한거처럼 나옴 ㅋㅋㅋ 근데 그 PM 하는 대표 이해 하나도 못함 ㅋㅋ
[13:02] <bluedusk> 요구조건 만족시키면 되는데
[13:02] <bluedusk> 하아..
[13:02] <Darkcircle> 졸라 간단한데 졸라 복잡하게 이해 ...
[13:02] <bluedusk> 사실 전 컴맹이라서 이해못함
[13:02] <bluedusk> =3=3=3
[13:02] <Darkcircle> 그럼 PM이 잘못한거네연 =3 =3=3
[13:03] <Darkcircle> 솔직히 제가 그 상황이었어도 노이해노답이라 초딩 운동장 가서 개미나 퍼먹고 있었을듯
[13:03] <bluedusk> ceph 에서 cache-tier를 쓰면 rebalancing 하는 i/o의 병목이 어느정도해결되는 효과가 있을까요? 를
[13:03] <bluedusk> 물어볼데도 없고.. 같이 고민해볼사람도 없고
[13:03] <Darkcircle> 는 써니옹 밖에 없을거 같은데
[13:03] <Darkcircle> 새벽 3~4시쯤이나 돼야 돌아오실거예요
[13:03] <bluedusk> 첨에는 rebalancing 할때 성능 떨어지는것도 network 쪽으로 몰아가던데
[13:03] <Darkcircle> 요새는 독고다이 중이시라서 답을 해주실지도 의문 .
[13:04] <bluedusk> 것도 제가 구간별로 다 로그랑 모니터 찍어보고
[13:04] <Darkcircle> network 장비는 기가비트로 발라놨을거잖아요 ?ㅅ?
[13:04] <bluedusk> 하긴 찍어보기 전에 i/o 일거 같다고 이야기 하긴 했지만..
[13:04] <bluedusk> 10G임
[13:04] <bluedusk> 단순히 생각해봐도
[13:04] <Darkcircle> 그러면 네떡 아니네
[13:04] <bluedusk> 10gnetwork에 sata3에 sata disk꼽아놧으면
[13:04] <bluedusk> 병목이 어디겠음?
[13:04] <Darkcircle> 10G인데 네떡에서 병목 생기면 openstack이 ㅂㅅ 아니면 장비가 ㅂㅅ 일건데
[13:04] <bluedusk> 10g nic x2 RR로 본딩해둠
[13:04] <Darkcircle> 당연히 디스크에서 나겠죠
[13:04] <Darkcircle> ㅋㅋㅋ 세상에 -_-
[13:05] <Darkcircle> SATA3도 ... 정확히 말하자면
[13:05] <bluedusk> 근데 public이랑 replication network랑 분리 시킨다고 vlan tag로 쪼개둠
[13:05] <Darkcircle> 6Gbps 전송속도가 딱 난다는 보장 없음.
[13:05] <Darkcircle> 참 얼마전에 페북에 아무개가 이런 질문을 하던데
[13:06] <bluedusk> 디스크라 200Mb/s 정도 왔다 갔다 하지 않나요?
[13:06] <Darkcircle> USB2.0 <-> USB 3.0 보다 USB 3.0<->USB 3.0이 더 느려요 ?ㅅ?// 괴랄함. 도움!
[13:06] <Darkcircle> (...)
[13:06] <Darkcircle> 네네
[13:06] <bluedusk> 헐
[13:06] <Darkcircle> 평시속도가 그정도 되죠 특히 파일이 자잘하게 쪼개지고 파일당 용량이 작으면 더 느리고 단편화가 심할수록 느리기도 한데 ... 저널링에서는 단편화 얘기꺼내면 개소리고 ..
[13:06] <bluedusk> health ok 안떨어지네
[13:08] <Darkcircle> 아 저 위에서 말한 6Gbps는 "이론상 최대 전송속도"죠
[13:08] <bluedusk> 그쵸
[13:08] <Darkcircle> 디스크는 spin+seek 딜레이로 전송속도 저하 요인을 다 잡아먹기 때문에
[13:08] <bluedusk> 근데 뭐 모니터링해보니깐
[13:08] <bluedusk> 딱 디스크가 병목임
[13:08] <Darkcircle> 아 이래서 삼성 SSD 엔지니어가 이런 이슈에 붙어줘야되는데
[13:09] <Darkcircle> 삼성에서 야 돈발라. 하면 그냥 SSD 다 처발라주고
[13:09] <Darkcircle> ..
[13:09] <bluedusk> 움?
[13:09] <bluedusk> 삼성 ssd 쓰는거 있는데
[13:09] <bluedusk> 한달에 8개씩 나간다던데
[13:09] <Darkcircle> SSD가지고 맵리듀스한다는 그 미친 아저씨들 지금 뭐할지 -.- 그거 대박이던데 ...
[13:09] <bluedusk> 불량으로
[13:09] <Darkcircle> 아 샘숭이라면 적어도 돈을 발라버리잖아요.
[13:10] <Darkcircle> 삼성 SSD는 비싼걸로 사야될거예요 그리고 NAS에는 별로 안좋을건데
[13:10] <Darkcircle> NAS는 I/O가 워낙 심해서 ...
[13:10] <Darkcircle> 벅벅거리다 뭔 일 터질지 모르 ...
[13:10] <bluedusk> pnfs 는 쓸만하지 않나요?
[13:10] <bluedusk> 써보진 않았지만
[13:10] <bluedusk> 괜찮다는 소문이
[13:11] <Darkcircle> 고려해볼만하죠 ㅠㅠ
[13:11] <Darkcircle> RAID5 장비 nfs 물려보니까 성능이 엄청 구리던데 ...
[13:11] <Darkcircle> pnfs로 가면 적어도 3~4배는 빨라질듯 ㅡ,.ㅡ;
[13:12] <Darkcircle> nfs 3라서 구린건가 -_-
[13:12] <autowiz> 레이드 5 장비를 nfs 로 물렸을때 느리다는건 , 좀 따로따로 이지 않을까요?
[13:13] <bluedusk> 전 컴맹이라 잘모름
[13:13] <bluedusk> =3=3=3
[13:13] <autowiz> raid5 라서 nfs 에서 더 느린건 아닐것도 같네요.
[13:13] <Darkcircle> 네트웍은 문제 안되는데 I/O 병목이 토악.... -ㅠ- (쿠웩)
[13:13] <bluedusk> 린도르사마가 소괴기 사준다고 했다는 사싦ㄴ 알고있
[13:13] <Darkcircle> 한번에 테라급으로 데이터를 실어날라야 하는상황인데
[13:13] <autowiz> I/O 는 뭐 저도 컴맹이라 방법이 없어요
[13:13] <autowiz> 그냥 시간을 들이는수 밖에
[13:14] <Darkcircle> 머신대머신을 본딩으로 물릴 수도 없고 ㅡ,.ㅡ;
[13:18] <bluedusk> 자자
[13:18] <bluedusk> 전 퇴근도 못하고 사무실에 놀고 있을테니
[13:20] <autowiz> 블더님 혹시 일마일 이라고 들어보셨나요?
[13:20] <autowiz> 광주 서비스는 ?
[13:20] <bluedusk> -_-?
[13:20] <bluedusk> 아뇨
[13:20] <bluedusk> 일마니 하라구요?
[13:21] <autowiz> 제가 하는 회사인데
[13:21] <bluedusk> 엌
[13:21] <bluedusk> 사장님
[13:21] <bluedusk> 굽신굽신
[13:21] <autowiz> 조만간에 오픈 할거 같거든요. 거기 하둡이랑 오픈 스택 도입된 곳이라
[13:21] <autowiz> 자리좀 잡히면 추천 넣어드리겠습니다.
[13:21] <bluedusk> 헐 저같이 미천한 컴맹을
[13:22] <autowiz> 아직은 뭐 얼마나 커질지 모르겠어요 ...
[13:22] <bluedusk> 말씀만이라도 감사합니다
[13:22] <autowiz> 아이고 블더님 정도면 서로 대려갈려고 하지요. 너무너무 겸손한건 남들에게 민폐가 됩니다.
[13:22] <bluedusk> ...
[13:22] <bluedusk> 이거 ceph health 상태가 clean으로 안떨이질거 같은데 어카죠?
[13:53] <pchero_work> bluedusk: CEPH health 가 뭐에요?
[13:58] <Kolay> ceph cluster 아닐까요?
[14:04] <commania> 인터넷 사정이 좋은데도 접촉불량으로 튕김...
[14:05] <commania> 하드를 새로 사야겠네요 역시...
[14:05] <commania> ..
[14:18] <Kolay> 예전에는 하드디스크도 많이 달고 뭔가 많은 시도를 해봤는데 지금은 필요최소한으로만 활용합니다.
[18:27] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[18:42] <samahui_ws> 안녕하세요~
[18:42] <samahui_ws> 출근하셨군요
[18:42] <Work^Seony> 네 ㅎㅎ
[18:42] <samahui_ws> 전 퇴근을 못하고 있죠 ㅎㅎ
[18:42] <Work^Seony> 이른 시간에 나오셨네요 라고 적었따가... ㅎㅎ
[18:43] <Work^Seony> 고생이 많으시네요...
[18:43] <samahui_ws> 그!러!나! 내일 아니 오늘부터 일요일까지 3일연짱 쉽니다 ㅎㅎ
[18:43] <samahui_ws> 그래서 그때를 대비해 일을 처리해놓다보니 저도 모르게 그만 이시간이네요 ㅎㅎ
[18:43] <Work^Seony> 잠 못주무셨으니, 집에 가셔서 잠부터 주무시면 반나절이 날아가잖아요 ㅎㅎ
[18:43] <samahui_ws> 하루가 날아갈듯해요 ^^;;
[18:44] <Work^Seony> 흐... 저희 직원 중에 프로그래머 하나 휴가 갔는데, 휴가를 간줄도 모르고 있었어요 ㅎㅎ
[18:44] <samahui_ws> ㅎㅎ;;
[18:44] <samahui_ws> 존재가 미미한건가요... 아니면 철두철미해서 빠진줄 모르도록 일을 다 해놓고 간건가요 ㅎㅎ
[18:45] <Work^Seony> 뭐랄까, 걍 지가 가고싶으면 가는거죠 ㅎㅎ
[18:46] <samahui_ws> 구름위의 존재인가요? ㅎㅎ
[18:46] <Work^Seony> 존재가 미미하다고 얘기하기엔, 프로그래머가 딱 2명 뿐이라 ㅎㅎ
[18:46] <Work^Seony> 아 3명이네요
[18:46] <samahui_ws> 전 빠지면 표나게! 일하고 있습니다
[18:46] <samahui_ws> 꼭 표나도록 ㅎㅎ
[18:46] <samahui_ws> 정확히는 표만 나도록
[18:47] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎ 저도 그래요
[18:47] <samahui_ws> 슬슬 들어갈까 했는데 오셨으니 ... 공통관심사인 워킹데드 다음시즌에 대해서...
[18:47] <samahui_ws> 언제 한답니까?
[18:47] <samahui_ws> ㅜㅜ
[18:48] <Work^Seony> 저 워킹데드 안본지 오래됐어요
[18:48] <samahui_ws> 버리셨군요
[18:48] <Work^Seony> 예전에, 시즌 몇에선가 방영 하다가 중간에 끊긴적 있잖아요?
[18:48] <samahui_ws> 네
[18:48] <Work^Seony> 그때 어쩔 수 없이 못보게 되다가 계속 안보고 있어요
[18:48] <samahui_ws> 휴방을 좀 길게 했죠 슈퍼볼인가 땜시
[18:48] <samahui_ws> 그러셨군요
[18:48] <samahui_ws> 저도 그런식으로하다 끊긴 미드 몇개되죠
[18:49] <samahui_ws> 요즘은 왕좌의 게임보는데 이것도 휴방들어가네요
[18:49] <Work^Seony> 한회 한회 감질맛 나는 것도 좀 있고 ㅎㅎ
[18:50] <samahui_ws> 감칠맛이 나도 전 아내를 위해 번역해주다보니 한회한회 간격이 좀 길었으면 싶어요 ㅜㅜ시간없이 번역하니 구글번역기같다는 소리 듣게되더군요 ㅜㅜ
[18:50] <samahui_ws> 아내님이 영어랑 싸우셔서 ... 한글자막을 원하시는군요
[18:51] <Work^Seony> 영어자막 어디선가 바로바로 나오지 않나봐요?
[18:51] <samahui_ws> 집사람님께서 남들 잘 안보는 미드를 보실때가 있어요
[18:51] <samahui_ws> 언더더돔이라던지
[18:51] <samahui_ws> 크리미널마인드라던지
[18:52] <Work^Seony> 아...
[18:52] <samahui_ws> 범죄물이나 이상야릇한걸 좋아라하시는군요
[18:52] <samahui_ws> 글고보니 태교로 NCIS를 보셨죠
[18:52] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎㅎㅎ
[18:52] <samahui_ws> 꽃미남나온다고 슈퍼내추럴인가도 챙겨보시더군요
[18:52] <samahui_ws> 요즘은 정으로 보시지만 ㅎㅎ;
[18:53] <Work^Seony> 저는 티비는 진짜 거의 안봐요
[18:53] <Work^Seony> 그거 볼 시간에 게임을 하겠다! 라서 ㅎㅎ
[18:53] <samahui_ws> 저도 잘 안봐서 마눌님 보는 미드 작업하다 보게됬네요
[18:54] <samahui_ws> 화나는게 작업하면서 보니 구간구간 끊어보게되서 이게 참 봤지만 안본듯...
[18:54] <Work^Seony> 맞아요 ㅎㅎ
[18:54] <samahui_ws> 스포도 당하고 ㅜㅜ
[18:55] <samahui_ws> 아무튼 시즌 대부분 끝나서 지화자 하는 중입니다
[18:55] <samahui_ws> 워데는 그래도 재미있게봤어서 보고잡은데 다음시즌까지 텀이 긴거 같네요
[18:55] <Work^Seony> 휴가를 즐기실 때네요
[18:55] <samahui_ws> ㅎㅎ
[18:55] <samahui_ws> 정리하고 그만 가봐야죠
[18:55] <Work^Seony> 이번 3일 동안 뭐하실 거에요?
[18:56] <samahui_ws> 가자마자 푸욱~ 잘겁니다만...
[18:56] <samahui_ws> 아마도발목 났고 운동을 슬슬 시작해야되서 몸풀러 다니지 않을까 싶습니다
[18:56] <Work^Seony> 그렇군요. 어서 빨리 가서 주무세요 ㅎㅎ
[18:57] <samahui_ws> 푹 ~ 잠만 자고 싶기도 한데... 딸아이가 깨면 저한테 졸졸 기어오던가 못오면 소리지르면서 깨워요 ㅎㅎ;;
[18:57] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎㅎ
[18:57] <samahui_ws> 잠만자면 깨우더군요 ㅜㅜ 놀아달라고... 정작 놀아주면 금방 엄마 찾습니다
[18:57] <samahui_ws> 컴파일 마치고 규합중입니다 흐흐
[18:57] <samahui_ws> 에러하나 없이 클린이네요
[18:58] <Work^Seony> 오... 그럼 뭔가 더 기분이 이상한듯한! ㅎㅎ
[18:58] <samahui_ws> 전 이만 가보겠습니다. 나머지는 알아서 하겠죠 ㅎㅎ
[18:58] <Work^Seony> 네 고생하셨습니다
[18:58] <Work^Seony> 들어가서 빨리 쉬세요
[18:58] <samahui_ws> 수고하시고 주말 즐겁게 보내세요 ^^
[18:58] <Work^Seony> 넵
[18:58] <samahui_ws> ^^
[20:56] <autowiz> 안녕하세요
[21:39] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[23:51] <HolyKnight> http://mlbpark.donga.com/mbs/articleV.php?mbsC=bullpen2&mbsIdx=2664220
[23:58] <ipeter> 안녕하세요?
[23:58] <ipeter> 즐거운 금요일입니다.
[23:59] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.292824
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"Darkcircle",
"HolyKnight",
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"ircCloud^Seony",
"jason_kr_",
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-release
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[08:25] <sil2100> Hello! I'll disable the nusakan s-i importer for a short while, should be back in a few minutes
[08:34] <sil2100> And it's re-enabled again
[18:00] <jdstrand> arges: hey, so I copied over apparmor 2.8.95~2430-0ubuntu5.3 to trusty-proposed for sbeattie for bug #1296667 and it was autoaccepted. I didn't mean to step on the sru team's toes. sorry
[18:09] <arges> jdstrand: this bug is a bit confusing... so 5.3 was verfication failed, but comment #8 says the package was moved to -updates... but hten you just put 5.3 into -proposed : )
[18:09] <jdstrand> I will let sbeattie comment
[18:11] <sbeattie> arges: no, 5.2 failed verification. 5.3 is what should address it.
[18:12] <arges> sbeattie: ok launchpad munged the tag change to the comment containing the 5.3 patch, which is why I was confused
[18:12] <arges> sbeattie: the patch seems reasonable fwiw, so probably all that's needed is a reminder saying 'please verify this'
[18:12] <sbeattie> arges: thanks!
[19:16] <bdmurray> infinity: I ran across this report the other day http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/vivid_probs.html and noticed there isn't one for wily at all.
[19:35] <infinity> bdmurray: That seems like it might be a bug.
[20:13] <bdmurray> infinity: a bug in what though?
[20:14] <infinity> bdmurray: The magic on snakefruit.
[20:24] <infinity> Huh. It's totally running, but the results are never making it to public_html.
[20:58] <infinity> bdmurray: Bah. And now I know why. outdate-report is crashing.
[20:58] * infinity comments it out for now, and will investigate later.
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.310418
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"arges",
"bdmurray",
"infinity",
"jdstrand",
"sbeattie",
"sil2100"
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"channel": "#ubuntu-release"
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-motu
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[05:56] <Fantu> hi, someone can do cinnamon 2.6 merge please? actually wily using cinnamon with components at version 2.6 but cinnamon still 2.2 causes some important problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cinnamon/+bug/1465229
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.311683
| 2015-06-18T00:00:00 |
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"authors": [
"Fantu",
"dholbach"
],
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"channel": "#ubuntu-motu"
}
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2015-06-18-#lubuntu
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[15:29] <Fossfile> hi fellas, I have a minor issue with my Lubuntu and some help will be appreciated: I've installed Lubuntu twice through vmware: once into a USB drive and the second time to a vmware hard drive. in both installations the system didn't accept the root password that was chosen (as I'm required to type it for example with sudo/synaptic). It was easily fixable in the USB drive installation
[15:29] <Fossfile> by simply booting to recovery mode, mounting / as rw and resetting password
[15:30] <Fossfile> with the installation on a hard drive however, for some reason this fix isn't working
[15:44] <ianorlin> Fossfile: strange but I however don't use vmware. Did you use any sort of full disc /home encryption in the hard drive?
[15:47] <ianorlin> Fossfile: also how customized is this vm?
[15:49] <teward> I assume this is in vmware player, Fossfile, not VMware Workstation? (Or ESXi)
[15:50] <Fossfile> ianorlin: no encryption, just regular installation also very simply password (identical to the username) because it's intended to be dedicated for kodi (xbmc) software
[15:51] <Fossfile> teward: VM Workstation
[15:51] <Fossfile> not a slim player
[16:05] <teward> stupid question, then, why not use VMWare Workstation's built in encryption functionality
[16:05] <teward> for the encryption part :P
[16:06] <teward> Fossfile: as for the installation on a hard drive, is the procedure you're using identical for resetting the PW? recovery mode, root prompt, sudo mount ... etc., passwd, etc.?
[16:06] <teward> and which Lubuntu, I may be able to test on my next break
[17:03] <Fossfile> teward: excuse me for the delayed response, yes the procedure is identicle for changing the password as we both described. This is the latest Lubuntu amd64 15.04. I have no idea why that procedure that fixed the issue on the usb drive installation didn't work for the hard drive installation.. then again I have no idea why this issue happened in the first place.
[17:04] <Fossfile> would be nice if someone could answer find out how to fix it and why it happens, I have to split for about 3 hours.
[17:51] <whytrytofly> hello
[18:01] <whytrytofly> is there a way to customize my window theme...?
[18:02] <whytrytofly> not only choopse from the ones given
[18:11] <ianorlin> whytrytofly: you can install more in the repos
[18:11] <whytrytofly> yeah okay ^^
[18:11] <whytrytofly> i know that
[18:11] <whytrytofly> thanks ianorlin
[18:12] <ianorlin> yuyo-gtk-theme for example would install the theme for ubuntu-mate search for gtk2-engines will display a lot more
[21:48] <sebastian_> I cannot access the power manager when I click on it says Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[23:18] <ianorlin> sebastian_: which versoin of lubuntu?\
[23:39] <sebastian_> the most recent
[23:39] <sebastian_> ianorlin, 14.04
[23:39] <wxl> sebastian_: that's not the most recent ;)
[23:39] <sebastian_> what was the command ont he terminal
[23:39] <sebastian_> to determine this
[23:39] <wxl> `lsb_release -a`
[23:40] <sebastian_> 14.04
[23:40] <sebastian_> which is the most recent? and how do i install it?
[23:40] <wxl> that *is* the most recent LTS
[23:40] <wxl> but 15.04 is the most recently released
[23:40] <sebastian_> how do i install that from the command line?
[23:40] <wxl> and 15.10 is in development (and technically available for install)
[23:40] <wxl> `sudo do-release-upgrade` should get you there.
[23:41] <sebastian_> command not found
[23:42] <sebastian_> it says
[23:42] <sebastian_> no release found
[23:43] <wxl> try adding the -p and/or -d switch
[23:44] <sebastian_> what?
[23:44] <wxl> `sudo do-release-upgrade -p`, e.g.
[23:44] <sebastian_> no release found
[23:44] <wxl> then try -d
[23:45] <sebastian_> no release found
[23:47] <wxl> argh
[23:47] <wxl> you're probably on lts
[23:47] <sebastian_> what does that mean?
[23:47] <wxl> !lts
[23:48] <wxl> tl;dr it means we may have to hack our way to getting you out of lts
[23:48] <wxl> is your purpose to get the most bleeding edge release?
[23:49] <sebastian_> maybe, i need to ensure compatibility with printer and iphone
[23:49] <wxl> printer should be no problem
[23:49] <sebastian_> iphone?
[23:49] <wxl> maybe
[23:49] <wxl> i know there's upstream work that's been done on it
[23:49] <sebastian_> i cannot directly input files onto my iphone from ubuntu yet
[23:49] <sebastian_> i need to use dropbox
[23:50] <wxl> last time i tried it couldn't do everything
[23:50] <sebastian_> plus the issue with the power management option that doesn't work
[23:50] <sebastian_> gives me an error
[23:51] <wxl> sebastian_: give me the result of `grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades | awk -F '=' '{print $2}'`
[23:52] <sebastian_> nothing happens
[23:53] <wxl> uh
[23:53] <wxl> you sure you typed it right?
[23:53] <sebastian_> awk: line 2: syntax error at or near awk
[23:53] <sebastian_> awk: line 3: missing } near end of file
[23:53] <wxl> yeah you probably typed it wrong thenm
[23:55] <sebastian_> i copied everything
[23:56] <wxl> well you could look at the contents of /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[23:57] <wxl> if Prompt=lts then do-release-upgrade won't give you anything until you have a new release
[23:57] <wxl> you should set it to normal and then do-release-upgrade will do what it's supposed to
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.316519
| 2015-06-18T00:00:00 |
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"Fossfile",
"ianorlin",
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"whytrytofly",
"wxl"
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"channel": "#lubuntu"
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-pl
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[08:18] <nehemiasz> Cześć.
[08:19] <nehemiasz> Da się migrować z lubuntu do ubuntu?
[08:19] <Dread> nie
[08:19] <mati75> da się
[08:19] <Dread> trzeba umrzeć
[08:19] <nehemiasz> a jak umre to sie da?
[08:19] <Dread> nie
[08:20] <nehemiasz> to po co mam umrzeć?
[08:20] <Dread> bo tam nie ma internetu
[08:20] <nehemiasz> ale gdzie?
[08:43] <gjm> w d…
[08:43] <gjm> będę grał w grę
[09:00] <Dread> jakom
[09:06] <gjm> tomb rajder
[11:09] <nehemiasz> Cześć :)
[11:10] <Ashiren> dobry wieczor
[11:14] <nehemiasz> Ashiren, gdzie Ty mieszkasz, że u Ciebie wieczór?
[11:14] <Dread> w piwnicy
[11:14] <Dread> :V
[11:14] <nehemiasz> u fritzla?
[11:15] <Ashiren> ciemno jest
[11:15] <Quintasan> nehemiasz: Jak chcesz to sobie po prostu zainstaluj ubuntu-desktop
[11:15] <nehemiasz> Quintasan, tamto lubuntu coś pierdzielniete było.
[11:16] <nehemiasz> Postawiłem Ubuntu 64 bit to draftsighta zawsze będę mógł doisntalować.
[11:18] <nehemiasz> Tak swoją drogą. Są jakieś Jabbery, które obsługują transporty skype?
[11:20] <TheNumb> wątpię
[12:24] <nehemiasz> Panowie! Mniej zasobów wpierdzieli chrome czy ff?
[12:36] <TheNumb> po równo
[12:36] <TheNumb> może frajerfox nieco mniej
[12:38] <Ashiren> tylko elinks
[12:39] <TheNumb> Eww najlepsze
[12:40] <TheNumb> prawda xaxes`?
[12:42] <xaxes`> eww?
[12:43] <xaxes`> ah, emacsowe
[12:43] <xaxes`> TheNumb: właściwie nigdy nie używałem :D
[12:43] <xaxes`> tylko słyszałem
[12:43] <xaxes`> TheNumb: ale przymierzam się do używania maila z emacsa
[12:44] <Ashiren> ale haker
[12:49] <nehemiasz> Widze, że ubuntu ma cos takiego co sie nazywa współdzielenie ekranu.
[12:49] <nehemiasz> To coś jak teamwiever?
[12:49] <TheNumb> nehemiasz: hę?
[12:49] <Ashiren> a moze drugi monitor
[12:50] <TheNumb> nehemiasz: pewnie to zwykłe vnc
[12:52] <nehemiasz> a przepraszam
[12:52] <nehemiasz> współdzielenie pulpitu
[12:53] <TheNumb> no to vnc
[12:53] <TheNumb> nie ma porównania z teamviewerem
[12:55] <nehemiasz> Tzn?
[12:55] <nehemiasz> Które lepsze?
[12:56] <TheNumb> zależy
[12:56] <TheNumb> jak chcesz śmigać po lanie to vnc styknie
[12:56] <TheNumb> jak chcesz się łączyć z kimś za NATem to będziesz miał problem
[12:56] <nehemiasz> TheNumb, a można przełamać barierę Windows / Linux Tym?
[12:57] <Ashiren> windows to bariera nie do przebycia
[12:58] <nehemiasz> :D
[12:58] <TheNumb> nehemiasz: czo?
[12:58] <TheNumb> są klienty vnc dla windowsa
[12:58] <TheNumb> np realvnc, tightvnc
[12:59] <TheNumb> coś jeszcze było
[12:59] <nehemiasz> a to kiedyś się pobawię w sumie tym.
[12:59] <nehemiasz> Bo mnie by to się bardzo w sumie przydało.
[12:59] <nehemiasz> TheNumb, czemu ty tutaj @ nie masz?
[13:00] <Ashiren> bo ma archa
[13:00] <TheNumb> Ja nigdy nie mam tutaj małpy.
[13:00] <TheNumb> Ashiren: to też
[13:00] <TheNumb> Ashiren: ale bez KDE
[13:00] <TheNumb> <:
[13:00] <nehemiasz> unity jest fajne :)
[13:00] <nehemiasz> Kiedyś tak narzekałem.
[13:00] <Ashiren> oO
[13:01] <nehemiasz> ?
[13:01] <TheNumb> unity jest ok
[13:01] <TheNumb> tylko ja poczekam na unity 8
[13:01] <TheNumb> bo to to jest średnio używalne
[13:01] <nehemiasz> mnie sie podoba i całkiem OK jest.
[13:01] <nehemiasz> TheNumb, w 15.10 będzie nowe unity?
[13:02] <TheNumb> do testowania podobno
[13:02] <TheNumb> w 16.04 ma być już dla wszystkich
[13:02] <TheNumb> pytanie ile razy jeszcze się opóźni
[13:02] <nehemiasz> :)
[13:03] <nehemiasz> ubuntu.pl to oficjalna strona polskiej społeczności?
[13:03] <TheNumb> no
[13:03] <nehemiasz> Ok ;)
[13:04] <TheNumb> od 2008 roku wygląda tak samo
[13:04] <TheNumb> ;p
[13:07] <prs> 16.04 to będzie lts?
[13:08] <xaxes`> tak
[13:08] <TheNumb> no
[13:08] <TheNumb> będzie 16.04 z unity 7 i 16.04 z unity 8
[13:08] <TheNumb> to z unity 8 ma już bazować na "snappy"
[13:09] <TheNumb> ubuntu fappy core
[13:11] <prs> czyli to już będzie ubuntu canonical/lennart/gnu/(jeszcze)linux?
[13:12] <TheNumb> no
[13:42] <nehemiasz> a co to jest to snappy?
[14:03] <xaxes`> .exe od cannonical
[14:08] <nehemiasz> Czyli jak to?
[14:08] <nehemiasz> xaxes`, nie rozumiem.
[14:08] <nehemiasz> Ubuntu będzie wspierać exe?
[14:14] <TheNumb> nie
[14:14] <TheNumb> robią swój menedżer oprogramowania
[14:15] <TheNumb> nie będą już bezpośrednio korzystać z narzędzi debiana
[14:15] <TheNumb> tylko pośrednio do budowania snapów
[14:17] <nehemiasz> Szkoda w sumie.
[14:18] <nehemiasz> Czyli juz nie będzie kompatybilny z *.deb?
[14:18] <TheNumb> Będzie
[14:18] <TheNumb> Póki co nie planują ubić debów
[14:18] <TheNumb> Będą rozwijać równolegle dwie wersje ubuntu
[14:19] <TheNumb> jedna ze snapami i jedna z dpkg i zabawkami debiana
[14:22] <nehemiasz> Troche to bez sensu.
[14:23] <TheNumb> dlaczego?
[14:56] <nehemiasz> TheNumb wypuszczanie dwóch prawie identycznych systemów?
[14:57] <nehemiasz> równolegle.
[14:57] <TheNumb> no
[14:57] <nehemiasz> To trochę nieekonomiczne chyba.
[14:57] <TheNumb> nie mają wyjścia
[14:57] <TheNumb> muszą poczekać aż ludzie się przeniosą na snappy w większości
[14:57] <TheNumb> dopiero wtedy będą mogli ubić resztę ;p
[14:57] <TheNumb> Pytanie co z remixami ubuntu
[14:58] <nehemiasz> Tyki kubu lubu?
[14:58] <nehemiasz> Tymi*
[14:58] <nehemiasz> lece do domu.
[14:58] <nehemiasz> Wbiję u siebie.
[15:02] <gjm> co tu się
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-kernel
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[13:18] <ogra_> cking, hey ... so i found the issue of my overheating laptop ... (though it still is beyond me why it started *exactly* with the upgrade to vivid) ... obviously a 1cm thick filth blob at the fan intake isnt really helping to cool the CPU ...
[13:19] <ogra_> (took me a week to get the right wrench to even open that XPS13 properl)
[13:19] <ogra_> i havent tried switching back to thermald control yet, but i guess it will be fine
[13:19] <ogra_> read: i think we can close the bug
[13:19] <cking> ogra_, ah, it should be fine w/o thermald if you have cleaned out the fan
[13:19] <cking> http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.co.uk/2010/09/hot-laptop.html
[13:20] <cking> it's happened to us all
[13:20] <ogra_> well, the thing is that the dveic ebehaved totally fine before the upgrade ...
[13:20] <ogra_> uh, my typing ...
[13:21] <cking> ogra_, vivid works hard to make sure you CPU does not cook, so I think the scaling was trying to do this and not working well because the thermal gradients were not as it expected
[13:21] <ogra_> but yeah, my fan intake looked similar :)
[13:21] <ogra_> ah !
[13:22] <cking> the passive cooling expects some kind of heating/cooling characteristic, but if the CPU is on fire it will just ramp down fast then give you all sorts of odd up/down speed changes
[13:22] <ogra_> yeah, now i understand
[13:23] <cking> i'm glad it resolved it. i7's are probably the worst headache as they dump a lot of heat very quickly into the thermal zone
[13:25] <ogra_> yeah, and the old XPS13 having a teeny weeny fan and heatpipies going everywhere through the case doesnt really help the case :)
[13:27] <cking> ogra_, i guess manufacturers need to run stress-ng to see if their laptop thermal designs are OK ;-)
[13:27] <ogra_> well, i'm sure it is ok if it comes out of the factory ... they should be obligated to do tests after 1-2 years of usage ;)
[13:39] <cking> ogra_, care to update bug 1460399 with your findings, I think we should close that one now :-)
[13:40] <ogra_> cking, yeah, closing it (there was someone else moaning in a comment, i guess he should open a new one)
[13:41] <cking> definitely
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-tr
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[01:25] <Scou13t> s.a. hayırlı geceler
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.335486
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu+1
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[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[19:25] <soee> someone tried nvidai 352 drivers ?
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-irc
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[08:50] <zigo> Hi. Is the Ubottu bot connected to OFTC?
[08:50] <zigo> I'd like to have it in #debian-openstack, to tell us about launchpad bugs...
[08:51] <Mikaela> I don't think there are any Ubuntu bots at OFTC, but you will probably find Debian ones
[08:58] <zigo> Mikaela: Yeah, there's "BTS" (for which I'm searching for doc, BTW), but it wont tell about launchpad issues.
[08:59] <Mikaela> I think you might not get a bot to connect to OFTC, but they are FOSS so you should be able to setup a clone easily
[08:59] <Unit193> zigo: Are you talking about a bot that tells you about new bugs, or when you paste a number?
[09:01] <Mikaela> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/ubuntu-bots/devel you need a Supybot though and might be interested inhttp://doc.supybot.aperio.fr/en/latest/use/install.html (meetingology uses it)
[10:33] <Mikaela> Does anyone have any idea who could be pinged about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/1437272 or if anyone has even seen that?
[10:33] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1437272 in xchat (Ubuntu) "XChat is dead and distributions are maintaining their own set of patches for it" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:45] <Zic> Mikaela: it does not solve the quoted bug, but you can try to take a look at Hexchat (packed in Ubuntu now)
[11:45] <Zic> a forked version of XChat which is maintained directly
[11:45] <Zic> look'n'feel are the same
[11:46] <Mikaela> solution would be removing XChat entirely from the repositories in favour of HexChat
[11:46] <Zic> or transform the xchat package to a dummy wich depends of hexchat, yes
[11:46] <Mikaela> that would be even better
[11:46] <Zic> personnaly I'm an irssi user, but I recommend Hexchat to my collegue for graphical IRC replacement of Xchat
[11:47] <Mikaela> I use WeeChat and when asked I also recommend HexChat as GUI, but there is high number of users who have just installed XChat from repositories :(
[12:50] <k1l_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/1322024
[12:50] <udsbotu> Launchpad bug 1322024 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Make Hexchat the default IRC client instead of XChat in Ubuntu 14.10" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[12:50] <k1l_> Mikaela: ^
[12:50] <Mikaela> thanks
[12:52] <k1l_> there were several bugs similar. but it might be that the whole xchat/hexchat is just pulled from debian and that they make the decision. and i think gnome still wants their xchat-gnome to be used.
[12:52] <Mikaela> isn't xchat-gnome also dead?
[12:53] <k1l_> imho yes.
[12:54] <k1l_> and it wasnt a good one anyway. it was too cut down to meet the gnome menu guidelines
[12:58] <k1l_> maintainer for xchat is ubuntu-developers (so i guess its just the debian pull). a request on the -devel-discuss ML could be a startingpoint.
[20:57] <Unit193> hexchat introduces bugs and annoyances it never fixed, so still reason to use xchat over hexchat for some.
[22:00] <hggdh> :w
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2015-06-18-#maas
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[02:32] <bdx> Hey whats up everyone? ... I run a setup where dns and dhcp run elsewhere than my maas region/cluster controller .... everything seesms to be working fine other than the fact that my maas api no longer contains any entries for nodes ip
[02:35] <bdx> If this happens to be a bug and there is no work around for it, I am thinking is that I could create static mappings in my dhcp server, and update the maas api with the nodes ip addresses by hand if needed
[02:37] <bdx> hopefully someone who's ran into this before might provide some insight....thanks
[02:39] <bdx> https://www.dropbox.com/s/gx6q5sijldxt04z/Screenshot%202015-06-17%2019.13.59.png?dl=0
[02:39] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11733581/
[02:54] <bdx> I have ddns configured such that my dhcp server updates my authoritative dns server when it hands out an ip; form which an A record in the zone and a reverse record in the reverse zone are created
[02:55] <bdx> my node is immediatly resolvable forward and backward by means of my nameservers
[02:56] <bdx> although, I'm guessing this has nothing to do with why the maas api neglects to add the ip_addresses entry
[02:58] <bdx> more or less why maas neglects to add the entry to the api
[03:04] <bdx> anyway...I am headed in for the night...I'll check back later to see if anyone has left any suggestions..Thanks
[07:51] <bladernr__> Hey, is anyone around?
[07:52] <bladernr__> more specifically, is anyone around who knows about the way maas imports images from simplestreams?
[07:53] <bladernr__> We're stuck. MAAS still shows the import in progress but all the images in /var/lib/maas/boot-resources/cache are no longer growing in size, so it appears the actual download has stopped.
[07:53] <bladernr__> or completed
[07:53] <bladernr__> but there is no way I can see to make the cluster sync from the region.
[07:55] <bladernr__> mattrae_: are you up/
[07:59] <bladernr__> gah, is there any way to force it to re-scan the images on the region and re-attempt to import to the cluster?
[08:02] <bladernr__> So looking at maas-cli, all the images appear to be marked complete and synced. but the maas UI still shows them as "importing" and there's nothing I can do to stop it
[08:02] <bladernr__> Sigh...
[08:21] <bladernr__> ok, finally got it kicked and it completed.
[11:36] <Mmike> Hi, lads. What does it mean when maas web-interfcase says that 'my cluster is disconnected'
[12:31] <kiko> bladernr_, I know some of it
[12:32] <kiko> bladernr_, but happy to see you've fixed it
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-unity
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[00:53] <josharenson> Any reason I can't x-compile unity8 in a wily chroot? libconnectivity-qt1-dev:armhf giving me grief
[02:18] <Gest46573> hello, does anyone know how to edit GTK3 themes? or a tutorial? to make the highligh-selection look flat
[02:22] <Gest46573> like this, but for GTK3: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/BtB?content=109494
[03:45] * ljp now using a touchscreen workstation
[09:03] <dandrader> cimi, hey. I've two MPs I would like you to review:
[09:03] <dandrader> cimi, https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/ubuntu-settings-components/deprecation-warnings/+merge/262267
[09:03] <dandrader> cimi, and https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/deprecatedTheme/+merge/262216
[09:04] <cimi> dandrader, ok
[09:05] <cimi> dandrader, what time is in brazil?
[09:06] <dandrader> cimi, 6 am :)
[09:08] <dandrader> got at doctor appointment at 13. wanted to have most of my work done till then
[09:20] <cimi> dandrader, the trailing whitespaces in those cardcreator tests are there for a reson
[09:20] <cimi> reason
[09:25] <dandrader> cimi, ok. my editor does this clean up automatically and I was too lazy to do put them back (using another editor) :)
[09:25] <dandrader> cimi, but the card tests still pass though
[09:28] <cimi> dandrader, yeah
[09:28] <cimi> dandrader, can you revert that?
[09:29] <dandrader> cimi, almost done
[09:31] <dandrader> cimi, done. had to overwrite the branch though
[09:31] <dandrader> (was the easiest way)
[09:31] <cimi> dandrader, we need do ask albert why he wants trailing spaces
[09:49] <cimi> dandrader, both my reviews are like... if we need to update to 1.3, we need to do it for every file
[09:51] <dandrader> cimi, ok, doing so
[10:21] <dandrader> cimi, done
[10:51] <greyback_> mzanetti: can I get an ack here plz: https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/qtmir/gles-sync/+merge/262252
[10:51] <greyback_> and here https://code.launchpad.net/~mir-team/qtubuntu/gles-sync/+merge/262253
[10:51] <mzanetti> looking
[11:13] <ltinkl> larsu: ping
[11:32] <cimi> dandrader, we need to test it and see if it spots regressions
[11:32] <cimi> mzanetti, daniel went through replacing all 1.1 uitk imports to 1.3, can we silo it?
[11:32] <mzanetti> yes
[11:33] <cimi> dandrader, we also need to test the APIs, I am sure the ubuntushape needs changes
[11:34] <dandrader> cimi, that's why I asked you to review it :) you know ubuntu shape and ubuntu-settings-components
[11:34] <cimi> dandrader, ok, it's a lot bigger then :)
[11:35] <dandrader> cimi, I tried it on the device and all seemed fine. But wasn't thorough as I don't know all the places that have to be checked
[11:35] <cimi> dandrader, at least all ubuntushape we use need to rename few APIs
[11:44] <dpm> hi seb128, do you happen to know if there is a wiki page with instructions to use xmir to start x apps on a unity 8 session?
[11:45] <dandrader> mzanetti, https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/fixShellTests/+merge/262323
[11:45] <mzanetti> thanks dandrader
[11:46] <cimi> dandrader, so, first advice is finding all ubuntushapes and update them to the new APIs
[11:46] <cimi> and simple Shape
[11:46] <cimi> and where we have UbuntuShapeForItem we can use a normal new UbuntuShape iirc
[11:47] <larsu> ltinkl: hey
[11:48] <ltinkl> larsu, can you please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~lukas-kde/gsettings-qt/queued-processing/+merge/259883
[11:48] <ltinkl> larsu, or is there any problem with it? :)
[11:49] <larsu> ltinkl: oh no automerging for this?
[11:49] <larsu> seb128: do we need to do anything special with that branch? ^
[11:49] <larsu> or can I just push to trunk?
[11:49] <ltinkl> larsu: no idea, you'd have to ask mzanetti
[11:49] <mzanetti> well, it needs to be siloed
[11:50] <mzanetti> automerging doesn't happen any more in quite a while now
[11:50] <larsu> ya, seb128 said something like that
[11:50] <larsu> which is why I'm asking
[11:50] <larsu> mzanetti: it was a better time...
[11:50] <mzanetti> heh...
[11:51] <mzanetti> not really sure. it was easier in some places, harder in others
[11:51] <mzanetti> i.e. once you have a trunk full of automerged bugs, it wasn't fun to release that any more
[11:51] <larsu> why not? Don't merge if it's not ready to go in
[11:51] <larsu> now someone needs to deal with it after approving
[11:52] <mzanetti> because automerging didn't pull QA in. so it's easier to merge bugs to the code base
[11:52] <mzanetti> now landing things can be a pain, but trunk is generally higher quality
[11:53] <dandrader> cimi, please write that stuff down on the MP
[11:53] <seb128> larsu, it needs to go through the ci landing
[11:54] <dandrader> cimi, if you have the time, I would appreciate help on it as well. we could move that branch to ~unity-team so you could push as well
[11:54] <dandrader> cimi, also, you sure these updates are necessary? I didn't spot anything broken...
[11:54] <mzanetti> dandrader, cimi. do you want a silo for that uitk branch then? Or should I wait a little more?
[11:54] <larsu> mzanetti: good point. Couldn't we have added that to the MR process thoguh? I guess I shouldn't start this conversation in case didrocks is looking
[11:54] <mzanetti> hehe
[11:54] <mzanetti> indeed. nothing we can change right now
[11:55] <mzanetti> I'm actually quite happy with how it works right now, for the biggest parts
[11:56] <seb128> +1
[11:56] <mzanetti> larsu, still that gets us back to the original question, please sync with seb if you will land that branch. If you can't for some reason I guess I can squeeze it into some unity8 silo
[11:56] <seb128> larsu, also we do testing on device nowadays, with the current system you can batch 6 changes and test together, with individual commits you had to test every changesets
[11:58] <larsu> seb128: let's sync!
[11:58] <seb128> larsu, "sync"? you mean land the change?
[11:58] <seb128> sure, can put a landing for that one
[11:59] <larsu> seb128: yes :) was using mzanetti terminology
[11:59] * larsu liked that
[11:59] <mzanetti> I did say sync?
[11:59] * mzanetti reads scrollback :D
[12:00] <larsu> "please sync with seb"
[12:05] <mzanetti> ah :) yes
[13:28] <dandrader> cimi, replied to your comment in https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/deprecatedTheme/+merge/262216
[13:29] <dandrader> cimi, I think it's good as it is. This MP isn't meant, and doesn't have, to solve everything. just what's needed to get rid of these warnings.
[13:29] <cimi> dandrader, the new ubuntushape is deprecating things though
[13:29] <cimi> dandrader, for warning fine then
[13:29] <cimi> dandrader, we should however fix splash.qml
[13:29] <cimi> dandrader, we shouldn't have a visual regression because we are fixing a warning
[13:30] <dandrader> cimi, there should be no visual regression
[13:30] <dandrader> cimi, have you tried it?
[13:32] <cimi> dandrader, not yet, I will make sure to test it deeply
[13:34] <dandrader> cimi, changing all imports to 1.3 was already beyond the scope of this MP....
[13:40] <cimi> dandrader, well, sdk team said we need to either change them all or not
[13:41] <dandrader> for what's it's worth, trunk is already a mix of 0.1 and 1.1
[14:03] <cimi> dandrader, yeah, there are also other import 0.1 that need to be 1.3
[14:04] <dandrader> cimi, I also moved thos 0.1 to 1.3 in this branch
[14:05] <cimi> dandrader, grep -rn "Components 0\.1" .
[14:05] <cimi> #fail
[14:05] <cimi> that was settings components
[17:38] <ahoneybun> hello all I am having a issue with unity8 in a container
[21:32] <ahoneybun> any idea why my LXC container is blinking on and off and does not take input?
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.351958
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2015-06-18-#ubuntustudio
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[02:42] <delt> now i'm puzzled.... :? :? i have jackd set to the largest buffer size, with 8 periods/buffer, and i'm still getting really low latency.... qjackctl reports it should be 743 milliseconds
[02:42] <delt> i even rebooted the whole computer with these new settings to make sure it's not some idle process i forgot to kill or something like that
[02:44] <delt> still getting imperceptible latency, which in my case would be < about 12 ms
[02:47] <delt> not too often someone tries to RAISE latency, but i'm just testing stuff =)
[03:01] <delt> weird.... moving my .jackdrc out of the way produces different (but also erratic) results....
[03:08] <delt> it looks like qjackctl is not controlling jackd at all. Although, it does write a .jackdrc file with the desired command line, except something's not working.... i need to figure this out
[03:11] <delt> moving that file out of the way, i get a ringing effect, like the buffer size was waaaaay too short...
[03:12] <delt> with xrun count saying "0 (8786)"
[04:27] <bimbo_> ?
[05:20] <delt> hello cfhowlett
[05:20] <delt> how are you?
[05:21] <cfhowlett> delt, greetings
[05:23] <delt> cfhowlett: do you use midi keyboards and/or production audio apps?
[05:23] <cfhowlett> delt, nope. sorry.
[05:23] <cfhowlett> delt, #opensourcemusicians
[05:23] <delt> cfhowlett: thanks
[05:24] <cfhowlett> delt, happy2help!
[12:24] <scott_> great job on latest lts release, love it
[22:21] <delt> hey, neat trick i just learned - send SIGUSR1 to a dd process to make it output progress info to its stdout!
[22:22] <delt> i was always under the impression you needed to use a hacked version of 'dd' to get any verbose output, but :D
[22:22] <OvenWerks> I think it has been that way for a long time.
[22:23] <delt> yeah, i don't know if it's part of the original unix design, or some new linux/freebsd/etc. addition
[22:23] <delt> i still have an old unix manual lying around somewhere, i should check
[22:24] <delt> if i can find it.
[22:25] <delt> HA FOUND IT!! This manual dates from 1986
[22:25] <delt> published by AT&T
[22:28] <delt> whoa, i totally forgot i had this!!! Given to me by a teacher when i was in college
[22:28] <delt> because of my interest in linux/*bsd
[22:31] <OvenWerks> The manual says siginfo works too.
[22:31] <delt> OvenWerks: linux manpage? didn't see it
[22:31] <OvenWerks> info coreutils 'dd invocation'
[22:32] <delt> oh... that info thing :/ they should just merge all that 'info' into the manpages
[22:32] <OvenWerks> dd is not really a part of Linux so much as the GNU tools which have been around longer than Linux.
[22:33] <delt> true
[22:33] <delt> but still, manpages have always been the standard unix way to document a command/tool/application
[22:34] <delt> anyway... gonna try out booting the desktop machine in tango linux, see what it looks like
[22:34] <delt> bbl =)
[22:34] <OvenWerks> info is the extended documentation. I don't know how long it has been around but it was there in 1995 or so when I started looking at Linux/unix
[22:35] <delt> heh, you've been a linux user about as long as me
[22:35] <delt> anyway bbl
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-tw
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[09:22] <FourDollars> IRC 不好用嗎？為什麼都跑去用 Telegram 了？
[09:25] <RJHsiao> FourDollars: 這是個好問題XD
[09:25] <RJHsiao> 總之 TG 的 Invite link: http://bit.ly/Ubuntu-Telegram
[09:25] <FourDollars> 明明 IRC 比較公開啊... 也是可以聊天的地方...
[09:26] <RJHsiao> 但是 IRC 登出之後就找不到對話紀錄了...除非我們放個 logger 然後自動丟掉某個地方例如 github
[09:27] <RJHsiao> 但是這樣也麻煩，每次找log都要跑到某個地方去翻
[09:27] <FourDollars> @RJHsiao 我記得這個 channel 是有被 Ubuntu bot 記錄的
[09:27] <RJHsiao> IRCCloud 一段時間沒有登入就會幫你從 IRC Channel 離開
[09:28] <RJHsiao> 是喔？這不是 freenode 的 channel？
[09:28] <RJHsiao> 是說有地方可以看紀錄嗎？
[09:29] <FourDollars> RJHsiao: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/06/08/%23ubuntu-tw.html
[09:29] <RJHsiao> good!
[09:30] <RJHsiao> 不過還要知道去哪裡找&怎麼找...我好懶XDrz
[09:30] <RJHsiao> 俗話說：懶惰是工程師的美德
[09:34] <FourDollars> ubuntulog: You are here. :D
[09:35] <FourDollars> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[15:43] <MLChen> 咦，好像比較少聽到轉去 Telegram，不是大多跑去 Slack 跟 Hipchat 嗎？
[16:01] <RJHsiao> Telegram 是純聊天用，Slack 跟 Hipchat 大多拿來公司內部專案管理、討論用的吧...
[16:47] <rypervenche> 我希望Tox會越來越好 https://tox.im/
[16:48] <rypervenche> 很像很棒的程式
[16:48] <rypervenche> 好像*
[17:21] <MLChen> 也開始有社群上到 Slack 上了呀，像是 DevOpsTW
[17:55] <rypervenche> https://tox.im/
[17:55] <rypervenche> oops
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"MLChen",
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-us-pa
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[08:55] <JonathanD> Morning.
[08:57] <rmg51> Morning JonathanD
[09:03] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:23] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[12:26] <lazyPower> o/
[12:44] <teddy-dbear> \o
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ubuntu-chat
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"lazyPower",
"rmg51",
"teddy-dbear"
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"channel": "#ubuntu-us-pa"
}
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-news
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[17:10] <PaulW2U> ahoneybun: I've added your podcast to the "Featured Audio and Video" section of the prep doc
[17:11] <ahoneybun> :) thanks PaulW2U
[20:04] <pleia2> so nice to see phone weekly updates and desktop meeting minutes landing on the news team list now so we don't miss them <3
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.368054
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"PaulW2U",
"ahoneybun",
"pleia2"
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"channel": "#ubuntu-news"
}
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-gr
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[17:59] <sapios> καλησπερα
[20:29] <alexpag> καλησπέρα, ποιο πρόγραμμα θα προτείνατε για desktop recording?
[20:29] <alexpag> τρεχω ubuntu mate 14.04
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.370787
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"authors": [
"alexpag",
"sapios"
],
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"channel": "#ubuntu-gr"
}
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-dk
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[18:09] <Ubuntubruger8> test
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.371547
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"Ubuntubruger8"
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-community-team
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[00:17] <jose> mhall119: that'd be awesome. I'm thinking how can we deal with those for UbuConLA and then TXLF
[00:17] <jose> I cannot carry them because customs
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[11:39] <dholbach> lunch time
[11:41] <popey> correct!
[11:41] * popey forages
[11:56] <davidcalle> Doner kebab time \o/
[11:57] <czajkowski> bleugh
[12:07] <davidcalle> More for me then :)
[12:07] * popey had grilled tomatoes. nom nom
[12:17] <dpm> popey, remember when we talked about recording an interview from a hangout? What was that program you told me about that I could use to record the audio?
[12:18] <popey> dpm: https://launchpad.net/audio-recorder
[12:20] <dpm> thanks!
[12:20] * dpm installs
[12:21] <balloons> aptly named, lol
[12:22] <popey> yeah
[12:22] <popey> Does what it says on the tin.
[12:53] <dholbach> mhall119, davidcalle: if you two have a bit of time, I'd like to chat a bit about what it'd take to have custom app pages in django cms and what your experiences were
[12:53] <dholbach> I'd have another case where it might help to use that kind of functionality
[12:54] <davidcalle> dholbach, sure
[12:55] <davidcalle> Though, my experience with that is still pretty limited, the webapp-generator was an easy one and Mike helped a lot
[12:56] <dholbach> davidcalle, so I'd have 2 use-cases, one of them being the import of the snappy markdown docs of course - the second one would be a short python script which would get the list of oem snaps from the store :)
[12:56] <dholbach> gadget snaps, sorry
[12:56] <davidcalle> dholbach, oooh, that's a nice idea
[12:57] <dholbach> and I'm trying to get an idea for how much work it's going to be
[12:57] * davidcalle looks at the store api
[12:57] <dholbach> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11735243/
[12:58] <dholbach> lp:~dholbach/+junk/snap-store
[13:00] <dholbach> maybe I'd need to have a look at the webapp creator to get an idea for how hard it is?
[13:05] <davidcalle> dholbach, hah, I was just looking for how to differentiate these packages from the rest with the store API :)
[13:05] <davidcalle> dholbach, let me point you to the right place in duc code
[13:07] <davidcalle> dholbach, so, for example, the webapp generator is mostly two pieces of code:
[13:07] <davidcalle> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/django-cms/view/head:/webapp_creator/woc.py
[13:08] <davidcalle> This part actually does the work : receives the input data from django, does stuff, returns stuff
[13:08] <davidcalle> Then : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~developer-ubuntu-com-dev/developer-ubuntu-com/django-cms/view/head:/webapp_creator/views.py
[13:09] <davidcalle> Which generates the form, and gives the package to the user. It's basically a backend and a frontend.
[13:10] <davidcalle> Making this gadget snaps page should be fairly easy (if the website rules allow to make queries somewhere else online, which is still unclear to me)
[13:11] <mhall119> dholbach: I have about 30 minutes now, then I'm unavailable for a bit
[13:27] <dholbach> mhall119, do you still have some time?
[13:28] <dholbach> davidcalle, I think we have something like that in the loco directory - it also looks something up and stores it in the database for later use
[13:43] <mhall119> dholbach: sorry no, just about to head out
[13:43] <mhall119> dholbach: I should be back in ~ 30 minutes though
[13:43] <dholbach> no worries, let's talk then
[13:46] <dholbach> davidcalle, thanks for the link to your code - that makes it look "easy" :)
[13:47] <mhall119> django is easy
[13:47] <mhall119> except for when it's not
[13:47] <dholbach> I was expecting the "except" clause :)
[13:48] <davidcalle> dholbach, without django xp, it can be a bit tricky to get in the right mindset, but once you have started, it's very cool
[13:49] <dholbach> dpm, tuesday 15:00 our time ok for a weekly call with sturmflut and svij (for the next 4 weeks?)?
[13:50] <dpm> dholbach, works for me, thanks for arranging this!
[13:51] <dholbach> anytime
[15:02] <mhall119> are we doing our standup today?
[15:09] <dholbach> we haven't stood up in a while, so I haven't really prepared anything O:-)
[15:09] <mhall119> what? no preparation from dholbach?
[15:11] <dholbach> I was looking at developer-ubuntu-com code
[15:11] <dholbach> I hope that's a valid excuse :)
[15:11] <dholbach> mhall119, do you have a bit of time for a quick hangout now?
[15:12] <mhall119> dholbach: yup
[15:13] <dholbach> cool
[15:13] <dholbach> davidcalle, want to join too?
[15:14] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gzsdpvewycftglz5trfnzmp6eea
[15:14] <davidcalle> dholbach, I'll mostly type, but sure :)
[15:34] <dholbach> davidcalle, mhall119: that'd be nice if we could work together on something again - and I could get trained on state-of-the-art django usage :-P
[15:35] <davidcalle> dholbach, when I'm started on the translations status panel, I'll ping you for reviews and stuff :)
[15:35] <dholbach> haha
[15:36] <davidcalle> I take that for a yes :)
[15:38] <dholbach> that'll depend on the training :)
[15:38] <dholbach> but sure
[15:49] <mhall119> dholbach: that would indeed by nice
[15:49] <mhall119> dholbach: after all, it's you and django that got me where I am today :)
[15:52] * dholbach hugs mhall119 and davidcalle
[15:57] <dholbach> all right my friends - got to run - see you tomorrow!
[16:02] <davidcalle> dpm, great email :)
[16:02] <dpm> thanks davidcalle, I hope it's useful
[16:03] <dpm> mhall119, dholbach is away and has expressed interest in doing django development, time to give him developer site work items ;)
[16:08] <popey> this is why i never disconnect from irc :)
[16:16] <mhall119> dpm: already on that :)
[16:17] <dpm> nice work ;)
[16:26] <davidcalle> See you all tomorrow o/
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2024-05-13T22:11:35.376348
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu-hr
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[04:54] <Vlado9A3CY> dobro jutro
[06:56] <Mmike> DodekBasek
[07:47] <ivoks> er
[07:47] <ivoks> jesam li ja lud ili kaj
[07:48] <obrut> jesi
[07:48] <ivoks> 172.27.33.12 je privatna adresa
[07:49] <ivoks> dobio sam abuse report da se mail server spojio na tu adresu i slao spam
[07:49] <ivoks> u americi
[07:50] <obrut> mozda server ima i privatnu i javnu ip adresu pa je report pokupio privatnu ?
[07:52] <Mmike> mozda fejk abjuz?
[07:52] <ivoks> dig core-mnb02e.mail.aol.com
[07:52] <ivoks> dig webprd-m91.mail.aol.com
[07:52] <ivoks> to su sve privatne adrese
[07:57] <obrut> a i danas inace nije nista cudno da hrpu servera stavljaju na privatne ip adrese :) pa se negdje NATira za one za koje treba... znam kakvo je stanje u jednom domacem provideru :)
[07:59] <ivoks> pa da
[07:59] <ivoks> al ja sam dobio cert da se mail server spojio na ova dva i slao spam
[07:59] <ivoks> kak se opce mogao spojiti
[07:59] <ivoks> imam firewall koji govori da u to vrijeme nije bilo nikakve komunikacije
[08:11] <Mmike> budz0r: pa puse ti saljem :D
[08:47] <jelly> starting delivery 397546: msg 139743 to remote [email protected]
[09:21] <BotaniCar> Majke im se nalemam i Kayakovcima ! Helpdesk ( bez ticket attachmenta ) mi na disku ima potpis od ~3GB ; nekaj su probavali popraviti, fejlali, mak'li se, na disku ostavili 35GB dupliciranih falova i smecha. Ne bi ni skuzio da mi se backup skripta nije pobunila da je ono kaj backupira za red velicine vece nego dan prije
[09:21] <BotaniCar> Govnari Smrti !
[09:22] <BotaniCar> I, danas dobijem mail da jel bi renewao licencu :D
[09:32] <BotaniCar> Sad mi je postar dosao ocitati plin :)
[09:35] <jelly> kak
[09:35] <BotaniCar> Sad i to oni rade ..
[09:41] <rut> ko i tete na tisku ... jos ce i busilice pocet prodavat
[09:41] <BotaniCar> Citam da ce iNovine kiosci uskoro poceti pruzati i usluge objekta brze prehrane :)
[09:42] <obrut> a cuj, u chamonixu na kioscima prodaju opremu za penjanje i imaju veci izbor nego u cijelom zagrebu :)
[09:42] <BotaniCar> Sunac im, pa kaj ce te tete sve morati moci znati raditi .. a ja k'o klinac brijao da je super raditi na kiosku :D
[09:42] <rut> super .. odmah i playboy procitas onak sa nogu sa pomfritom
[09:42] <BotaniCar> Dobijes pomfri drito u duplericu, da podmaze :)
[09:43] <rut> bas :)
[09:48] <rut> kad ides na GO muffin
[09:51] <BotaniCar> Ne znam, na jesen vjerojatno
[10:00] <Mmike> Jel' tko kad radio multiboot USBjek sa grubom?
[10:00] <Mmike> imam jedno 5-6 iso imageta koje bih htio bootati kroz grub sa usb diska
[10:00] <Mmike> jel' to more ?
[10:01] <BotaniCar> Mmike: let mi gugl det for ju ! http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-multiple-iso-from-usb-via-grub2-using-linux/
[10:01] <Mmike> BotaniCar: probo si, znas da radi i to sve?
[10:02] <BotaniCar> Ako pise na internetima, na 15 kartica teksta, istina je i radi ! :)
[10:02] <Mmike> fakat
[10:02] <Mmike> kak uopce mogu sumLJat u inter-gent!
[10:02] <BotaniCar> Ae :)
[10:03] <BotaniCar> Samo .. tip u clanku iznad pretpostavlja da bi ti grub naselio na taj USB disk
[10:03] <BotaniCar> A ja sam te procitao kao da bi iskoristio postojeci grub
[10:05] <BotaniCar> E, ovom moras vjerovat' ili ces dobiti otkaz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[10:05] <BotaniCar> mk-grub-n-iso , o0o0o
[10:12] <dodobas> ako ne znate sto bi radili u subotu ... http://goturniri.blog.hr/2015/06/1631947719/1-lipovljanski-goturnir-20-06-2015-najava.html
[10:12] <jelly> ovak nes? http://www.preining.info/blog/2015/05/usb-stick-update-debian-is-back-plus-grml/
[10:19] <Mmike> BotaniCar: :D
[10:35] <weshmashian> i tak
[10:36] <BotaniCar> zvucis k'o moja zena kad procijeni da ju zapostavljam
[10:36] <BotaniCar> "i tak"; i onda shuti
[10:36] <BotaniCar> "kaj i tak"
[10:36] <BotaniCar> " MA ZNAS TI DOBRO KAJ I TAK MAJMUNE"
[10:37] * weshmashian izvlaci tudje frustracije uz minimalan trud
[10:38] <BotaniCar> Master is master :)
[10:38] <Mmike> http://tinyurl.com/oyn854t
[10:39] <BotaniCar> Mmike: +1 ! :)
[10:45] <ivoks> pa dobro koji k
[10:45] <ivoks> kaj sam ja lud ili kaj
[10:45] <ivoks> 06:44:55.483687 00:22:99:36:90:07 > 00:50:56:aa:36:da, ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 82: 172.16.0.100.1024 > 172.16.0.254.69: 40 RRQ "pxelinux.0" octet blksize 1432 tsize 0
[10:45] <ivoks> 06:44:55.484592 00:50:56:aa:36:da > 00:22:99:36:90:07, ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 69: 192.168.247.52.58340 > 172.16.0.100.1024: UDP, length 27
[10:45] <ivoks> spoji se na ip 172.16.0.254.69
[10:45] <ivoks> spoji se na ip 172.16.0.254
[10:46] <ivoks> a ovaj mu vraca promet kao 192.168.247.52
[10:46] <ivoks> sto je ip adresa na sasvim drugom interfaceu (eth0), dok je 172.16.0.254 na eth1
[10:46] <ivoks> kak, jeboga
[10:47] <jelly> koji OS na bootp/dhcp serveru?
[10:47] <ivoks> ubuntu 14.04
[10:47] <jelly> ah, ubuntu
[10:47] * jelly hides
[10:47] <ivoks> to inace radi sasvim ok
[10:48] <ivoks> imam N ovakvih setupa
[10:48] <ivoks> dhcp uredno radi:
[10:48] <ivoks> 06:44:53.527535 00:50:56:aa:36:da > 00:22:99:36:90:07, ethertype IPv4 (0x0800), length 342: 172.16.0.254.67 > 172.16.0.100.68: BOOTP/DHCP, Reply, length 300
[10:49] <jelly> valjda mora malo da sara, ili je cudo na :69 nekak krivo pokonfigurirano
[10:49] <ivoks> pa to je tftpd-hpa
[10:49] <ivoks> radi ko urica na 100 lokacija
[10:50] <jelly> dakle komad softvera star 30 godina
[10:50] * jelly isto nikad nije vidio da to krivo radi
[10:51] <jelly> a di je fizicki spojen eth0, nemre nikak slucajno do tog segmenta di je klijent?
[10:51] <ivoks> taj dio ne znam
[10:51] <ivoks> al ne bi trebali biti na istom layeru 2
[10:51] <jelly> mozda je to stvarno islo van prek eth0
[10:52] <ivoks> sumnjam
[10:52] <ivoks> jer sniffam na eth1
[10:52] <ivoks> al ajde bas da vidim
[10:58] <rut> mozda ovo pomogne http://serverfault.com/questions/435453/replies-to-request-coming-over-a-relay-goes-to-relays-internal-ip-not-to-origi
[10:59] <ivoks> nda
[10:59] <ivoks> nije problem dhcp
[10:59] <ivoks> i preko eth0 nis ne ide van
[10:59] <ivoks> jednostavno mi nije jasno
[10:59] <ivoks> 172.16.0.0/16 dev eth1 proto kernel scope link src 172.16.0.254
[10:59] <ivoks> ruta je ok
[11:01] <ivoks> hm
[11:01] <ivoks> cak i kada pokrenem tftp s lokalnog stroja, ne radi
[11:01] <ivoks> (nisam ja instalirao stroj)
[11:04] <ivoks> ok, maknuo tftpd-hpa i stavio neki drugi i sve radi
[11:29] <Mmike> nekad ovaj juju
[11:29] <Mmike> nekad
[11:29] <Mmike> onak
[11:29] <Mmike> mater
[12:04] <Mmike> vileni: :* :)
[12:20] <jelly> zasto debianova politika drzanja istoj kernel ABIja nekad nije dobra:
Hey guys. Jesterday afternoon I have updated my Debian 6 VM, including kernel. After reboot there were kernel errors like: RIP: e030:[<ffffffff8128c528>] [<ffffffff8128c528>] tcp_send_fin+0x37/0x1ab. Going to old kernel was not an option, because update has rewritten vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64. I finally managed the system to work again by using vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 from my backup.
[12:25] <BotaniCar> Hehe, zasto imanje backup imagea nikad nije lose :)
[12:33] <vileni> Mmike: what?
[12:49] <Mmike> Jesterday!
[12:55] <obrut> Mmike: lako za Jesterday, reci ti nama jel dobro zareze stavio ?
[12:56] <Mmike> Engleski to cudno ima, nije k'o u hrvatskom.
[12:56] <Mmike> Ne vrijedi ista logika :)
[13:04] <BotaniCar> Mmike: sunac ti, moram sad ic vidzet koliko MIPSa ima moj :D
[13:07] <Mmike> jesi vidio :)
[13:12] <vileni> super je puppet
[13:12] <vileni> jos da mi zeli reci zasto ne radi
[13:13] <BotaniCar> Mmike: al cekaj, kak si benchmarkao ?
[13:13] <Mmike> BotaniCar: nisam, googlo sam :D
[13:13] <Mmike> vileni: ansible, salt, nemoj puppet
[13:13] <Mmike> aha
[13:13] <Mmike> vec su ti ga nagurali
[13:13] <Mmike> e, da
[13:18] <BotaniCar> Mmike: post'o sam ti na FB cime i kaj sam ja mjerio, aj' ti :)
[13:22] <Mmike> cek
[13:22] <Mmike> na sastanku sam
[13:25] <BotaniCar> koji proc imas ? :D
[13:25] <BotaniCar> To smijes i na sastanku rec na glas, s ponosom ! :)
[13:25] <Mmike> i7-4790K
[13:26] <BotaniCar> au, nadjebat ces me jako
[13:26] <BotaniCar> :)
[14:29] <ivoks> 16.06.2015 na Vas mirovinski racun uplacen je novi mirovinski doprinos u iznosu
[14:29] <ivoks> od 0,02 hrk (uplata kamata ostvarenih na privremenom računu).
[14:29] <ivoks> wow!
[14:48] <Vlado9A3CY> bon žur
[14:50] <dodobas> pa kako nisu dodali neki sound compresor u hangouts... prvi put koristim.... i grozno je... 8 ljudi... za svakog moram podesavat jacinu zvuka
[14:50] <dodobas> lose...
[14:51] <dodobas> mumble ondnosno murmur to ima ...
[17:34] <Mmike> he
[17:34] <Mmike> dodobas, kra?
[17:34] <Mmike> dodobas, ja nemam s tim bedova
[17:35] <Mmike> dodobas, imam bedova sa svmi drugim - video je los do ocajan, CPU usage je enorman, 'potrosnja' mreze je nevjeorjatna...
[17:35] <Mmike> i tak
[19:06] <Mmike> s cim izmjerit gflopse?
[19:15] <vileni> http://icl.cs.utk.edu/hpcc/
[19:17] <reSpawn> d vecer
[19:22] <sillyslux> yet another chat.. https://gitter.im a imaju i irc servera :) irc.gitter.im
[20:29] <Mmike> Jel' ima smisla doma imat ECC ram?
[20:31] <obrut> ako ti ga netko pokloni, uzmi ... inace, preskupo za po doma, a nije ti bas valjda tak kriticno sto vrtis :)
[20:32] <Mmike> pa
[20:32] <Mmike> razmisljam bas
[20:32] <Mmike> tj, natezem se s likom na tviteru
[20:32] <Mmike> (za ne povjerovat)
[20:32] <Mmike> moj 'kucni server' doma
[20:33] <Mmike> preko 6 godina ga imam
[20:33] <Mmike> krenijo od nekog P3, pa dogurao do ovog athlona sad
[20:33] <Mmike> krenio sa 3 320GB sata diska u raid5 polju, pa dosao do 7 2TB diskovlja u raid6 polju
[20:33] <Mmike> imao sam bedove s diskovima, s kontrolerima, s kablovima
[20:33] <Mmike> nikad s memorijom
[20:34] <Mmike> ok, imao sam srece, nije crkla nikad
[20:34] <Mmike> al' bogme se nit stroj nije smrzavao ili stojaznam sto, potrgao raid zbog lose memorije
[20:34] <Mmike> isto s desktopom
[20:34] <Mmike> stroj radi stalno, nikad ga ne gasim
[20:34] <Mmike> mozda da sam u svemiru, onda ajde
[20:34] <Mmike> al' ovak, tuj, po doma... kajjaznam
[20:34] <obrut> tak i ja... dok nisam imao dedicirani kucni server, glavni komp mi je radio 24h dnevno osim kad sam bio na godisnjem
[20:35] <obrut> dakle bar jedna kanta non stop radi, nikad problemi s nicim
[20:35] <obrut> trenutni kucni server mi je atom baziran, sklepan za sicu
[20:40] <Mmike> i onda ja sad opet pitam
[20:40] <Mmike> koja je svra ECC memorije?
[20:40] <Mmike> kak cesto se desavaju te greske da se to isplati imat?
[20:40] <Mmike> pornjavatori imaju sve servere sa ECC memorijom
[20:41] <Mmike> i ono, memorija crkava
[20:41] <Mmike> ne tak cesto k'o diskovi, al' crkava
[20:42] <Mmike> .weather phoenix
[20:42] <datase> Mmike: Weather for Phoenix, AZ | Temperature: 112°F / 44°C; Humidity: 7%; Pressure: 29.73in / 100.7kPa; Conditions: Partly cloudy; Wind: West, 5mph / 8kph; Updated: 51 mins, 40 secs ago | Forecast for Thursday: Clear; High of 114°F / 46°C; Low of 82°F / 28°C | Forecast for Friday: Clear; High of 115°F / 46°C; Low of 79°F / 26°C | Forecast for Saturday: Clear; High of 114°F / 46°C; Low of 81°F / 27°C | (1 more message)
[20:42] <Mmike> 44!
[20:42] <Mmike> jebote :)
[20:45] <Mmike> http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/milanovic-i-mrsic-unistavaju-poduzetnike-100000-kn-kazne-ako-ne-nadziru-slobodno-vrijeme-radnika/826280.aspx
[20:45] <Mmike> kakvi majmuni
[22:06] <Mmike> https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/ltcusd
[22:06] <Mmike> ltc ide gore :)
[22:06] <Mmike> grcka :)
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[04:03] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Stateless-Persistent-Network-Interface-Names-Landed-in-Ubuntu-15-10-Wily-Werewolf-484637.shtml
[07:39] * ObrienDave waves from Win7ville ;P
[07:54] <ObrienDave> lordy, how do i attract 'em like flies? ;P
[07:56] <OerHeks> make the sound of a sweatty armpit, ObrienDave
[07:57] <ObrienDave> LOL they're sweaty enough already ;P
[07:57] <OerHeks> Why do you like flies?
[07:58] <OerHeks> Wait, i grab a coffee first
[07:58] <ObrienDave> LOL i like coffee better ;P
[08:06] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:30] <EriC^> lotuspsychje: hey
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> EriC^: morning mate :p
[09:31] <EriC^> did you fix the car?
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> EriC^: not yet, its 10km from here near the forest
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> EriC^: we have to call the garage next week
[09:32] <EriC^> oh
[09:32] <EriC^> that's pretty long
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> EriC^: wasnt there a trick to hit the alternator with a hammer?
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> to get it running again
[09:32] <EriC^> that's if the starter isn't working
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> ah
[09:33] <EriC^> dont hit the alternator :P
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> loool
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> il keep off everything
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> let the garage do its work
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> too bad we payed 170 euro for the battery :p
[09:34] <EriC^> yeah, that sucks, but the battery is probably ok
[09:34] <EriC^> just needs recharging and it'll be good
[09:34] <EriC^> that's so expensive btw
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[09:35] <EriC^> 65amp is like $70 here
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> so next a new alternator
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> $$$$
[09:35] <EriC^> it might only need new coils
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> we almost have a new car with all these things fixxed
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> we payed like 2200 euro for the whole car
[09:36] <EriC^> or even the regulator only
[09:36] <EriC^> yeah, buy used parts it'll be cheaper
[09:36] <EriC^> or rebuild the alternator, even cheaper
[09:36] <EriC^> i think
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> i dont think the garage wants that :p
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> and im only handy on irc
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> and it hardware :p
[09:37] <EriC^> yeah it needs a shop to rebuild it
[09:38] <EriC^> working on cars is fun
[09:38] <EriC^> i dont do it that much anymore though as i got older
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> if you like it yes :p
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> i learned carosserie at school
[09:39] <EriC^> if i had a garage i'd probably do it a lot
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> but not the engine parts
[09:39] <EriC^> but we don't have garage's per house here, it's just apartments and on the street it sucks
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> right
[09:39] <EriC^> what's carosserie?
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> hum whats it called in english :p
[09:39] <lotuspsychje> the body of the car
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> what that profession called
[09:40] <EriC^> chassis?
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> no
[09:40] <EriC^> the body?
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> the outside of the car
[09:40] <EriC^> bodywork?
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[09:40] <EriC^> cool
[09:40] <EriC^> come fix my car :P
[09:40] <lotuspsychje> lol
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> and paint it
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> learned that aswell
[09:41] <EriC^> yeah
[09:41] <EriC^> cool
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> anyway we have to go, going to city
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> cheers EriC^
[09:41] <EriC^> ok, have a good one
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> tnx u2
[09:41] <EriC^> thx
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> good evening mates
[20:32] <lordievader> o/
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> lordievader: hi
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> check this out:
[20:33] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Touch-to-Switch-Soon-to-Ubuntu-Snappy-Core-484677.shtml
[20:35] <lotuspsychje> every device on snappy :p
[21:19] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: good evening mate
[21:20] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Let us hope that is is a "good evening" .. I am going to find out . All quiet on the western front ?
[21:21] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: ubuntu has become so good, nobody needs support anymore :p
[21:21] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: the creating of opensource will be the end of the volunteers :p
[21:25] <Bashing-om> Yeah ! I too have noticd a serious decline in the need for support ! // Maybe the time will come that "one size does fit all " . recon ?
[21:26] <lotuspsychje> my wife said that to me yesterday
[21:27] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: NOW, I have to wonder in what context .. - The milk man ?
[21:28] <lotuspsychje> the size part :p
[21:34] <Bashing-om> clothes I presume ? is the object of the point of view ?
[21:35] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> yeah object
[21:36] <Bashing-om> 2 belt sizes to big, ---- roll the legs up, they look just fine .
[21:39] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: leder-hosen?
[21:39] <lotuspsychje> haha
[21:39] * lotuspsychje blowing on his alp horn
[22:18] <lotuspsychje> nite nite
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2015-06-18-#ubuntu
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[00:25] <histo> ?
[00:30] <kLoooa2> Hey
[00:30] <kLoooa2> Do you realize that basically after age 20 your body starts rotting, being worse and worser at everything? and that includes your brain too? you will eventually be stupid and naive just like children. or worse - you can get alzheimer's disease. If you are alive now, I guarantee you that you will die eventually. And it can be really painful dying. Just read news or statistics how many people die in what ways DAILY. You will become one of them eventually
[00:30] <kLoooa2> . One of that statistics number. nothing more.
[00:31] <SchrodingersScat> !ot | kLoooa2
[00:31] <kLoooa2> and humans are ugly crap, they have blood, urine, feces, semen inside them
[00:31] <kLoooa2> they smell
[00:31] <kLoooa2> especially when they are old they smell bad
[00:31] <SchrodingersScat> !language | kLoooa2, also !guidelines
[00:32] <kLoooa2> ! Do you realize that basically after age 20 your body starts rotting, being worse and worser at everything? and that includes your brain too? you will eventually be stupid and naive just like children. or worse - you can get alzheimer's disease. If you are alive now, I guarantee you that you will die eventually. And it can be really painful dying. Just read news or statistics how many people die in what ways DAILY. You will become one of them eventual
[00:32] <kLoooa2> ly. One of that statistics number. nothing more.
[00:33] <kLoooa2> ALL OF YOU WILL DIE I PROMISE YOU
[00:33] <kLoooa2> AND IT WILL BE PAINFUL DEATH
[00:33] <kLoooa2> THEN YOUR BODY GETS EATEN BY WORMS
[00:33] <SchrodingersScat> please, listen to the bot
[00:34] <kLoooa2> SchrodingersScat: you and your family will all be rotten in few hundreds years
[00:35] <SchrodingersScat> kLoooa2: hopefully it won't be that long, still !ot, although I doubt they want this there either...probably more an !ops situation.
[00:44] <d4rklit3> hey when i install apache2 with apt-get i don't seem to have the www-data user
[00:44] <d4rklit3> does it not create one?
[00:45] <Henk_> hi all!! I've got a problem( My application stops unexpectedly and asks to send an error report. Is there a way to somehow obtain info about all the reports sent by all the users?
[00:47] <intx> doesthe latest gparted on ubuntu live automatically align for SSDs, or do I need to do it manually?
[00:50] <unbroken> hey guys
[00:51] <unbroken> any moderators here currently ?
[00:52] <OerHeks> unbroken, some of them are, if you have a topic, please join #ubuntu-ops
[00:53] <OerHeks> or issue i mean
[00:53] <unbroken> ok thx
[00:57] <bjrohan> Hi all. I just upgraded from 14.04 to 15.04, now my wireless connection is considerably slower with 15.04 than it was with 14.04. It IS the upgrade, as my other system connected to the same access point with 14.04 is still getting the speed I used to get. What may be wrong?
[01:04] <darthanubis> that doesn't make sense on the face of it. Nothing could slow your wifi connection from an upgrade
[01:05] <darthanubis> you might to share how you are gaging "slower"?
[01:05] <darthanubis> gauging
[01:06] <bjrohan> darkbasic: On the 14.04 machine speedtest shows a 28ms ping, 8 download and 1 upload. 15.04 machine shows 135 ping 2 download and hardly any upload
[01:14] <darthanubis> nothing to do with your operating system
[01:15] <darthanubis> speedtest is not a reliable measure of anything
[01:15] <darthanubis> and did you upgrade to 14.10 first?
[01:15] <darthanubis> I don't believe you can hop a version
[01:16] <J5> hi everyone! First time ubuntu user here and linux user! :-) Ran into various strange issues but after several reinstalls of the OS I think its finally stable!!
[01:16] <darthanubis> good
[01:16] <darthanubis> congrats
[01:16] <J5> I tried several distros over the past 2 weeks and Ubuntu 15.04 is the only one that made my wireless card work.
[01:18] <J5> any recommendations on info I should go read or things I should install as a new user?
[01:19] <darthanubis> I'd make healthy use of Google.. Ubuntu well covered and supported
[01:19] <darthanubis> askubuntu
[01:20] <bjrohan> darthanubis: I did go from 14.04 to 14.10 to 15.04. What i do know is that my 15.04 computer is significantly slower than it was before.
[01:20] <darthanubis> slower operationally, or just this speedtest result?
[01:21] <unbroken> guys is there any way to access grub or launch it from the dektop of ubuntu 14.04.2
[01:21] <darthanubis> !grub
[01:21] <unbroken> im very new so asume i know nothing!
[01:22] <bjrohan> Just any internet interactions. Everything else is the same or faster (GIMP, Libreoffice, etc.)
[01:23] <darthanubis> did you reboot?
[01:23] <darthanubis> disable/enable wifi?
[01:23] <darthanubis> !mtr
[01:25] <bjrohan> darkbasic: Yes, and then did another update, then rebooted again
[01:25] <J5> hmm this is strange. Ubuntu softwarecenter, I have queued some items to install and after entering my root password the progress has frozen. Its stuck at downloaded 0 bytes of x total bytes.
[01:25] <darthanubis> have you tried to plug in the machine via cat5e/6 to isolate if it is just a wifi issue?
[01:28] <netameta_> how can i get skype to run on ubuntu 14.04 ?
[01:28] <darthanubis> install it
[01:28] <darthanubis> !skype
[01:29] <Bashing-om> unbroken: After the OS is started, the grub stage is left behind. What is your goal here ?
[01:30] <O_Andrew> Im getting a kernel panic every time i boot linux, and syslog says nothing when i boot into recovery, fsck says everything is ok
[01:31] <darthanubis> O_Andrew, run memtest
[01:31] <O_Andrew> It happens every time i boot my computer, 2-3 seconds after the login screen shows up
[01:31] <TJ-> O_Andrew: when the GUI starts?
[01:32] <O_Andrew> Yeh, soon after
[01:32] <TJ-> O_Andrew: Is it using a proprietary video driver, Nvidia or AMD/ATI fglx ?
[01:32] <O_Andrew> I didnt touch the drivers or anything system-related
[01:33] <O_Andrew> The last thing i did to it was shut it down holding the powerbutton, since `shutdown -h now` doesnt work
[01:33] <TJ-> O_Andrew: I wonder if that module hasn't built correctly after a kernel update. There may be clues in one of the archived logs... check "/var/log/dmesg* and /var/log/kern.log - search those files for "panic" to begin with
[01:35] <darthanubis> O_Andrew, run memtest
[01:36] <O_Andrew> im searching the logs again, i will do that when i reboot
[01:36] <O_Andrew> grepping for 'panic' only has 'registered panic notifier' messages
[01:37] <TJ-> O_Andrew: if there's no log entries captured what I do is aim a video camera at the screen as it boots and capture the panic that way
[01:37] <O_Andrew> i have done that!
[01:37] <O_Andrew> actually it scrolls quite a bit
[01:37] <TJ-> O_Andrew: many times after a panic there's no way to safely write to the file-system
[01:38] <TJ-> O_Andrew: if you can grab a couple of freeze frames that capture the start of the panic message (about 10 lines prior) that'd be helpful
[01:40] <regedit> TJ-: hey
[01:40] <regedit> TJ-: PM?
[01:40] <TJ-> regedit: sure thing. I've been rebooting a few times to test kernel patches
[01:41] <O_Andrew> TJ-: its more like a couple hundred lines
[01:41] <O_Andrew> its a 1 second scroll
[01:41] <TJ-> O_Andrew: really? usually the panic has a preamble and the a stack trace ... are there multiple panics after the initial one?
[01:42] <O_Andrew> actually
[01:42] <O_Andrew> i think there might be
[01:44] <netameta_> Thanks for help darthanubis
[01:44] <netameta_> could anyone guess a reason why odesk wont take correct screenshots on a virtual host running ubuntu 14.04
[01:44] <O_Andrew> TJ-: http://postimg.org/image/6eisgjhh1/full/
[01:45] <darthanubis> netameta, yw
[01:47] <histo> necrogami: what is odesk?
[01:47] <histo> netameta: what is odesk?
[01:49] <TJ-> O_Andrew: can you get a snap from early than that... can't see the start of the panic there
[01:49] <darthanubis> freelanceing site
[01:49] <netameta> histo: odesk website for freelancer they have a time tracking software that take screenshots
[01:50] <histo> ahh
[01:50] <histo> netameta: you'd probably have to ask the odesk people
[01:52] <netameta> histo: Its not related to them
[01:52] <netameta> even when i take normal screenshot
[01:52] <netameta> regardless
[01:52] <netameta> the error(blank black page) appears
[01:53] <histo> netameta: try scrot
[01:53] <histo> netameta: what virtualization are you using?
[01:53] <netameta> I am not sure
[01:53] <netameta> but i know this ubuntu runs on a virtual host
[01:54] <netameta> i mean virtualbox
[01:54] <netameta> And i used all the toolkit things to fix the windows size and everything
[01:56] <histo> netameta: I'm not sure what is causing their issue with screenshots. What are they using to take the screenshot?
[01:57] <netameta> histo: i will have to check
[01:58] <kLoooa2> Do you realize that basically after age 20 your body starts rotting, being worse and worser at everything? and that includes your brain too? you will eventually be stupid and naive just like children. or worse - you can get alzheimer's disease. If you are alive now, I guarantee you that you will die eventually. And it can be really painful dying. Just read news or statistics how many people die in what ways DAILY. You will become one of them eventually
[01:58] <kLoooa2> . One of that statistics number. nothing more.
[01:59] <darthanubis> spam
[02:00] <O_Andrew> TJ-: I got something slightly different this time: http://postimg.org/image/7lemn3h81/full/ -- i also got a video, i will try to get the frame of the first lines
[02:01] <Osmodivs> Hello. When building a program, I am about to make install. how do I tell my machine that I want to access the program on my menu/graphics/
[02:01] <Osmodivs> ¿?
[02:03] <TJ-> O_Andrew: thanks; that last snap also didn't have the start of the panic on it :)
[02:06] <Fr3d3r1c> hello
[02:07] <ablest1980> hello
[02:07] <Fr3d3r1c> i have tried to created a symbolic link on a directory but after the creation, i can't access to the content of my directory
[02:08] <BuzzardBuzz> bummer
[02:08] <BuzzardBuzz> a symlink should not cause an issue with folder access
[02:09] <RNeville> having sound problems, booted a live Ubuntu DVD and sound worked, but not in my install of Ubuntu 14.04
[02:09] <BuzzardBuzz> but folder permissions might
[02:09] <Fr3d3r1c> visually, it's [sourceDirectory] -> [linkedDirectory] (i can't to the content)
[02:09] <Fr3d3r1c> access*
[02:10] <BuzzardBuzz> ok so your symlink needs to work betteris what you are hoping
[02:12] <BuzzardBuzz> so when you made the symlink did you get anindication of an error message?
[02:12] <Fr3d3r1c> yes
[02:12] <Fr3d3r1c> open for read: no such file or directory
[02:13] <Fr3d3r1c> it's a message from filezilla
[02:13] <Fr3d3r1c> but i have another error on notepad++ : Directory not opened(SFTP server: No such file)
[02:13] <O_Andrew> TJ-: after 3 tries, i got it! http://postimg.org/image/8ewgswdcl/full/
[02:13] <EriC^^> Fr3d3r1c: does the source directory exist and can you access it directly/
[02:13] <Fr3d3r1c> yes EriC^^
[02:14] <histo> Fr3d3r1c: what command are you typing to maek the sym link?
[02:14] <O_Andrew> TJ-:
[02:14] <Fr3d3r1c> ln -s sourcedirectory targeteddirectory
[02:15] <TJ-> O_Andrew: That's a bit hazy but I think I see "skb" in there, which is a Socket Buffer (networking). Any issues with the networking side, are Ethernet cables connected, is it using WiFi?
[02:15] <Gest46573> hello, does anyone know how to edit GTK3 themes? or a tutorial?
[02:16] <kLooaa> Do you realize that basically after age 20 your body starts rotting, being worse and worser at everything? and that includes your brain too? you will eventually be stupid and naive just like children. or worse - you can get alzheimer's disease. If you are alive now, I guarantee you that you will die eventually. And it can be really painful dying. Just read news or statistics how many people die in what ways DAILY. You will become one of them eventually. O
[02:16] <kLooaa> ne of that statistics number. nothing more.
[02:16] <EllieGoulding> so im helping out someone in the brazillian ubuntu irc channel
[02:16] <Gest46573> I like clearlooks-phenix because it is high contrast, but i want to make it look flat & squared
[02:16] <EllieGoulding> what do you guys make of this
[02:16] <O_Andrew> TJ-: Damn the LCD pixel lag is so annoying at such high refreshes! No i only have Wifi
[02:16] <EllieGoulding> http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img537/7159/V5RZ1W.jpg
[02:16] <darthanubis> !op | kLooaa
[02:17] <BuzzardBuzz> what emergency>
[02:17] <TJ-> O_Andrew: as an experiment are you able to disable WiFi radio with a hardware kill switch, and then try booting?
[02:17] <kLooaa> BuzzardBuzz: house is on fire
[02:18] <BuzzardBuzz> ok should i put it out with my trusty can of gasoline?
[02:18] <darthanubis> kick the abuser of the channel for spamming? BuzzardBuzz
[02:18] <BuzzardBuzz> ok
[02:20] <O_Andrew> TJ-: i used the killswitch, the wifi tried to come back online a few times but i persisted, and the machine didnt crash! i tried logging in but now X dies as soon as i enter the password and takes me back to login screen
[02:21] <TJ-> O_Andrew: That could be progress of a sort then
[02:21] <O_Andrew> TJ-: im running to the logs!
[02:21] <TJ-> O_Andrew: try login as a guest
[02:22] <TJ-> O_Andrew: the login issue may be unrelated to the kernel panic; probably the $HOME/.Xauthority file needs deleting
[02:23] <TJ-> O_Andrew: check the logs in "/var/log/lightdm/" especially lightdm.log - that should show if the greeter hands over to a user login session
[02:24] <O_Andrew> TJ-: indeed syslog was complaining something was wrong about .Xauthority, i removed it and now X didn't crash, im logged in! Syslog also complained about not being able to connect to the bus!
[02:24] <O_Andrew> but thats probably due to xauthority
[02:25] <O_Andrew> TJ-: may i PM you?
[02:26] <RNeville> had audio working, then quit, but works under live Ubuntu 14.04 DVD, My install is Ubuntu 14.04 any help appreciated
[02:27] <TJ-> EllieGoulding: see https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85931
[02:27] <TJ-> O_Andrew: best to keep support in the channel so others can chip in, plus I have to reboot in a few moments to do some kernel tests
[02:30] <EllieGoulding> TJ thanks
[02:30] <BuzzardBuzz> fr3d3rlc: did you fix your symlink issue ok?
[02:40] <gajni> help me how to add kali ppa in ubuntu
[02:47] <kernix> hey all
[02:49] * robbix throws coffee in his face to wake up this morning
[02:59] <reggie_> hey folks does the latest version of xfce support window snapping?
[03:00] <histo> robbix: you're supposed to drink it
[03:00] <histo> !info xfce4
[03:00] <robbix> That's what they want you to believe histo. This technique actually works better and at half the cost.
[03:00] * robbix loves xfce
[03:01] <histo> reggie_: trying to remember what version they added it
[03:02] <histo> reggie_: I know 4.12 have is
[03:03] <reggie_> Thanks histo
[03:03] <reggie_> guess I have to figure how to activate
[03:07] <histo> reggie_: you don't activate it in 4.12 it just works
[03:07] <histo> reggie_: what do you mean by snapping?
[03:07] <Gest46573> tiling
[03:08] <reggie_> histo when you drag window to edge and it resizes to fit maybe half the screen
[03:08] <reggie_> I am running ubuntu respin (voyager) in a VM for a programming class and it will not do it
[03:08] <reggie_> don't have this issue with other distros histo
[03:08] <histo> reggie_: yeah that works. but you probably have 4.10 installed which doesn't have it
[03:09] <reggie_> hummm let me check
[03:09] <histo> reggie_: dpkg -l | grep xfce4
[03:09] <reggie_> that would be something
[03:10] <histo> reggie_: probably 4.10 since ubuntu repos have 4.10
[03:10] <Gest46573> u can also right click to the panel to see the version
[03:10] <reggie_> yea it's version 4.11.0
[03:11] <reggie_> dammit
[03:11] <reggie_> this is a huge hassle for me
[03:11] <reggie_> is there a repo with latest version
[03:12] <Gest46573> what is a hassle, tiling/snap works on old xfce versions also
[03:12] <reggie_> ohh how doyou make it work?
[03:13] <Gest46573> settings > windows-manager > advanced > windows-snapping:check
[03:13] <reggie_> one sec
[03:13] <Gest46573> also, is easier if u have workspaces set to 1, i think
[03:13] <Gest46573> hello, does anyone know how to edit GTK3 themes? or a tutorial? to make the highligh-selection look flat
[03:14] <reggie_> huh... Gest46573 that option in't there
[03:14] <reggie_> ahh let me change number of worspace then
[03:15] <histo> reggie_: first option there in 4.12
[03:15] <reggie_> lol thanks histo, so how do I bump this up to 4.12
[03:16] <Gest46573> reggie_: RTFM ;) http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/preferences
[03:16] <histo> reggie_: http://i.imgur.com/Ub5JejG.jpg
[03:16] <Gest46573> reggie_: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/preferences
[03:17] <histo> Gest46573: please don't tell people rtfm in here
[03:18] <Gest46573> histo: hey bro, i put a smiley face, and the exact link to it. it was helpful, not an insult
[03:18] <histo> reggie_: Does yours look the same as mine?
[03:18] <reggie_> Thanks guy much appreciated, and no worries histo I am not offended
[03:18] <reggie_> I got it to work by cutting workspaces down to 1
[03:18] <Gest46573> i didnt see any one else, send the EXACT link to the Manual page ;)
[03:19] <reggie_> Gest46573, thanks for the help but dude tone it down man, if you get bent out of shape helping maybe just don't do it :)
[03:20] <Gest46573> reggie_: ur welcome, now teach ur friends
[03:20] <histo> reggie_: you'll be glad to know in future versions you can still keep your workspaces
[03:20] <Gest46573> reggie_: Okay, i'll say RTM next time without the F, but then no one knows what that means lol
[03:20] <reggie_> btw histo
[03:21] <B0g4r7> Robert T Morris obviously.
[03:21] <reggie_> it looks the same as what you showed me but there is no label at the top of advanced tab that says Window snapping
[03:21] <reggie_> weird
[03:22] <JinjaNinja> Any reason why my computer screen pixelates every time I log into my computer? It's just brief pixelation and then my desktop comes up.
[03:23] <svetlana> depends on the desktop
[03:29] <davers> ok
[03:29] <abaddon> anyone know a text editor for ubuntu which supports folding. Not a programming ide but just a text editor
[03:30] <davers> ok
[03:30] <davers> not ok
[03:31] <davers> bye
[03:36] <Bedffe> Do you realize that basically after age 20 your body starts rotting, being worse and worser at everything? and that includes your brain too? you will eventually be stupid and naive just like children. or worse - you can get alzheimer's disease. If you are alive now, I guarantee you that you will die eventually. And it can be really painful dying. Just read news or statistics how many people die in what ways DAILY. You will become one of them eventua
[03:36] <Bedffe> lly. One of that statistics number. nothing more.
[03:39] <mode9> Bedffe, damn dude.
[03:39] <mode9> LOL.
[03:40] <abaddon> yea none of that helps me with the folding editor problem though
[03:43] <Otitf> Do you realize that basically after age 20 your body starts rotting, being worse and worser at everything? and that includes your brain too? you will eventually be stupid and naive just like children. or worse - you can get alzheimer's disease. If you are alive now, I guarantee you that you will die eventually. And it can be really painful dying. Just read news or statistics how many people die in what wa
[03:43] <Otitf> ys DAILY. You will become one of them eventually. One of that statistics number. nothing more.,
[03:43] <calher> I uninstalled NetworkManager and all desktop-related stuff and now I can't get internet on the system on my disk. I plugged it into ethernet cable but connection did not return. Any suggestions?
[03:43] <Otitf> Do you realize that basically after age 20 your body starts rotting, being worse and worser at everything? and that includes your brain too? you will eventually be stupid and naive just like children. or worse - you can get alzheimer's disease. If you are alive now, I guarantee you that you will die eventually. And it can be really painful dying. Just read news or statistics how many people die in what wa
[03:43] <Otitf> ys DAILY. You will become one of them eventually. One of that statistics number. nothing more./
[03:44] <calher> Otitf is bumming me out.
[03:44] <Otitf> calher: death is coming
[03:46] <mode9> OMG.
[03:46] <mode9> Scary.
[03:46] <danes> hello I just installed ubuntu server on a laptop just to setup a local nas at home. I dont have a gui as I intend to ssh into it. My problem is when I close the lid it goes to standby. Is there a way to stop it from the terminal?
[03:49] <regedit> Jordan_U: ping
[03:50] <ant4t> danes: you basically want to setup a power plan?
[03:50] <danes> ant4t yes
[03:52] <ant4t> danes: im pretty sure you need to create a power plan script, then implement using sudo pm-powersave but hang on
[03:52] <ant4t> im willing to be there is an easier way to do it
[03:57] <ant4t> use the xset command
[03:57] <ant4t> and use the help, if will give you the options for screen saver
[03:57] <ant4t> xset s off turns off... i think
[03:57] <ant4t> im going to check them right now.
[03:58] <ant4t> so just to be clear, you want the sceen to shut off, but to stay powered on/not go to standby correct?
[03:58] <danes> ant4t: thanks
[03:59] <largefarva> ryper
[03:59] <largefarva> mistype >.<
[04:02] <regedit> anyone familiar with EFI shell? (in this case Phoenix ShellFlash SecureCore Tiano) i'm trying to flash the bios but getting an error
[04:02] <calher> How do I get ethernet on Ubuntu? I plugged the cable in and it doesn't work.
[04:02] <calher> I don't have a desktop shell.
[04:02] <ant4t> if you look at the xset helpfile you will prolly find hthe command you need
[04:03] <svetlana> run `ifconfig' and `dmesg' and pastebin output
[04:03] <calher> svetlana: How do I pastebin output when my only computer , thta computer, has no internet?
[04:03] <calher> (or this computer)
[04:03] <svetlana> use pastebinit program
[04:04] <st_d3vil> Use camera :-)
[04:04] <BuzzardBuzz> use magic
[04:04] <Braden`> Hello!
[04:04] <BuzzardBuzz> hello
[04:04] <Braden`> I just did a normal package update, and all of a sudden my close, minimize, and maximize buttons have disappeared from gnome shell
[04:04] <Braden`> Using Ubuntu 15.04
[04:05] <BuzzardBuzz> so that sounds like a neat trick
[04:05] <Braden`> Its very distressing
[04:05] <BuzzardBuzz> maybe your theme got switched?
[04:05] <st_d3vil> apt-get -f install ?
[04:05] <abaddon> https://github.com/aeischeid/gedit-folding
[04:05] <Braden`> st_d3vil: No, I haven't forced anything
[04:05] <abaddon> in case anyone else was looking for a folding text editor
[04:06] <calher> i cant pastebin without internet
[04:06] <Braden`> BuzzardBuzz: How do I check that?
[04:06] <hgeekf> Do you realize that basically after age 20 your body starts rotting, being worse and worser at everything? and that includes your brain too? you will eventually be stupid and naive just like children. or worse - you can get alzheimer's disease. If you are alive now, I guarantee you that you will die eventually. And it can be really painful dying. Just read news or statistics how many people die in what w
[04:06] <hgeekf> ays DAILY. You will become one of them eventually. One of that statistics number. nothing more.,
[04:06] <BuzzardBuzz> erm is that a spammer?
[04:06] <Braden`> hgeekf: How is that relevant to Ubuntu?
[04:06] <hgeekf> nope
[04:06] <hgeekf> no spam!
[04:06] <hgeekf> Braden`: ubuntu people DIE
[04:06] <hgeekf> ubuntu users
[04:06] <BuzzardBuzz> that guy is irritating
[04:07] <calher> hgeekf: stop giving me a stomach ache
[04:07] <Braden`> hgeekf: Its a troubling statistic :-)
[04:07] <BuzzardBuzz> ok so your theme has not changed but your buttons are gone?
[04:07] <Braden`> At any rate
[04:07] <Braden`> I changed the theme and then changed it back
[04:07] <calher> i dont have a camera and my computer wont have internet when I need to paste output
[04:07] <Braden`> Still same issue
[04:08] <coolmadmax> Braden`, use 'gnome-tweak-tool'
[04:09] <BuzzardBuzz> well there are some with different button arrangments but you yield no buttons anyway?
[04:09] <hgeekf> Do you realize that basically after age 20 your body starts rotting, being worse and worser at everything? and that includes your brain too? you will eventually be stupid and naive just like children. or worse - you can get alzheimer's disease. If you are alive now, I guarantee you that you will die eventually. And it can be really painful dying. Just read news or statistics how many people die in what ways DAILY. You will become one
[04:09] <hgeekf> of them eventually. One of that statistics number. nothing more.
[04:09] <BuzzardBuzz> ban the spammer :)
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> !ops | hgeekf
[04:09] <hgeekf> !ops | Do you realize that basically after age 20 your body starts rotting, being worse and worser at everything? and that includes your brain too? you will eventually be stupid and naive just like children. or worse - you can get alzheimer's disease. If you are alive now, I guarantee you that you will die eventually. And it can be really painful dying. Just read news or statistics how many people die in what ways DAILY. You will bec
[04:09] <hgeekf> ome one of them eventually. One of that statistics number. nothing more.
[04:10] <histo> ?
[04:10] <hgeekf> !ops | Do you realize that basically after age 20 your body starts rotting, being worse and worser at everything? and that includes your brain too? you will eventually be stupid and naive just like children. or worse - you can get alzheimer's disease. If you are alive now, I guarantee you that you will die eventually. And it can be really painful dying. Just read news or statistics how many people die in what ways DAILY. You will bec
[04:10] <hgeekf> ome one of them eventually. One of that statistics number. nothing more.
[04:11] <lotuspsychje> Drone`: tnx :p
[04:11] <BuzzardBuzz> thank you Drone
[04:12] <Sax> Who was that :/
[04:13] <O_jumbo> oe
[04:14] <Sax> And he got K-lined.
[04:14] * Sax slowclap
[04:14] <BuzzardBuzz> Braden' did you figure out how to fix it?
[04:15] <Braden`> BuzzardBuzz: Not yet. Still reading about it via google
[04:15] <regedit> anyone familiar with EFI shell? i'm trying to flash the bios but getting an error
[04:17] <Bashing-om> calher: Is your /etc/network/interfaces fole similar http://paste.ubuntu.com/11733811/ to mine ?
[04:17] <Bashing-om> fole/file*
[04:18] <danes> ant4t: this scripts is executed when closing the lid /etc/acpi/lid.sh - in case you wonder :)
[04:18] <BuzzardBuzz> your board may support flashing inside the bios, if it does that is probably easier
[04:18] <danes> is there any speech recognition project for linux?
[04:18] <calher> Bashing-om: I don't know if it's similar. I can't boot into it to find out. I'm running a live system on the same computer to talk to you.
[04:19] <Braden`> gnome-tweak-tool has no items under the section labeled "menubar"
[04:19] <calher> I guess I could decrypt my disk and look at the file. Let me get my key...
[04:20] <Bashing-om> calher: K .
[04:22] <coolmadmax> Braden`, use gnome-tweak-tool windows->titlebar buttons make on min & max
[04:28] <calher> Bashing-om: I don't have the last two lines.
[04:30] <Braden`> Checking
[04:30] <Bashing-om> calher: OK, no GUI right ? No Network-Manager right ? so does this file exist " /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf " .. Then we adress the missing fields .
[04:31] <Braden`> Titlebar buttons section has no items in it
[04:31] <Braden`> There is nothing to select
[04:33] * calher visits <file:///etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf>.
[04:34] <calher> Bashing-om: Correct: no GUI. Correct: No NetworkManager. Correct: file exists.
[04:34] <Bashing-om> calher: managed=false <- Default setting, such that NetworkManager controls networking, when set "managed=true" then "/etc/network/interfaces" file is used for control.
[04:35] <Braden`> Installing another round of updates
[04:35] <Braden`> Hopefully one of them fixes the problem
[04:35] <Bashing-om> calher: ^^ in the file /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.con .
[04:35] <Bashing-om> conf*
[04:37] <calher> s/managed=false/managed=true
[04:38] <Bashing-om> calher: OK, now what is the interface nmae ' ifconfig ' ?
[04:38] <Braden`> What has happened to me seriously hasn't happened to anyone else?
[04:38] <Bashing-om> name*
[04:39] <calher> Bashing-om: I'm not on the system. I can't give ifconfig output for the system.
[04:39] <calher> NetworkManager.conf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11733856/
[04:40] <calher> interfaces: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11733861/
[04:42] <Bashing-om> calher: Let's "assume" the interface is identifies as "eth0" .. add those last 2 lines as per my output for "/etc/network/interfaces" amd make "eth1" as "eth0" . save the file and boot onto the install .. is netwotking now picked up ?
[04:45] <Bashing-om> calher: This is to set a wired connection !!
[04:45] <calher> Bashing-om: I want to temporarily use this wired connection to get WiFi back.
[04:46] <calher> Uh-oh, I didn't edit as root.
[04:48] <johnf--> hi hope this isn't to out there, but I'm getting undefined symbols trying to link against cgraph part of the graphviz pkg when I run nm -D I see the symbols any hints?
[04:49] <calher> Files edited, Bashing-om.
[04:49] <johnf--> I typically run fedora where it seems to link no problem so I was sort of hoping someone might have a clue where ubuntu/fedora would differ here.
[04:50] <Bashing-om> calher: Boot into the install .. once we have wired working .. update/upgrade the system and maybe WIFI will then work ??
[04:51] <calher> Rebooting.
[04:52] <b9> *el lo*
[05:01] <calher> Bashing-om: Back.
[05:01] <Bashing-om> calher: And ?? We up ?
[05:01] <calher> Ethernet works. Yes.
[05:01] <grim789> This is sweet i never knew about IRC Chat till the other night :p
[05:01] <calher> grim789: Where do you live?
[05:01] <grim789> US Kentucky
[05:02] <calher> Bashing-om: How do I switch to WiFi?
[05:02] <grim789> I just started learning Linux last couple of weeks i tried my hand at python first mistake like heiroglyphs haha
[05:02] <Bashing-om> calher: Great ! .. ' sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' done ?
[05:03] <calher> oh shit. i didnt use tmux
[05:03] <calher> new tty!
[05:03] <calher> lol
[05:03] <goju> I have never used wine but have installed it by typing $ sudo apt-get install steam wine winetricks. Now I have wine in the ubuntu search but unable to launch it. does wine work in background ?
[05:04] <goju> Wine updated itself also after I first launched it
[05:04] <calher> Bashing-om: First command succeeded.
[05:05] <goju> Sorry i am talking of Steam...my steam does not launch
[05:05] <grim789> Anyone know how to remove Precise from terminal im using chrouton Ubuntu on a chromebook i tried ~/.bashrc command i found on ubuntu forums but couldn't get it to work? I did use sudo first.
[05:06] <calher> Ugh! The router is in my mom's room and she needs to go to bed. I don't know if I can finish...
[05:06] <goju> I have never used steam but installed it on ubuntu 15.04 by the command $ sudo apt-get install steam wine winetricks. But steam does not launch
[05:06] <calher> I've been trying to get the router out of bedrooms but they won't listen.
[05:07] * regedit tries to fend off mandatory innuendos on calher's message...
[05:07] <Bashing-om> calher: There is always tomorrow . I do expect to make an addition for wiress similar to what we did for 'eth0' .
[05:08] <Bashing-om> wireless *
[05:08] <calher> Bashing-om: hope to at least DL this stuff.
[05:10] <Bashing-om> calher: Depending on the interface speed. may take a bit to complete the full-upgrade . MAke sure it completes are you will be in a world of hurt !
[05:10] <calher> uh-oh
[05:10] <calher> i may have to leave my laptop in her room?
[05:10] <calher> i think my laptop sleeps when it closes so i cant close it to hide the light from the screen
[05:11] <Bashing-om> calher: Get the system updated then pick this back up tomorrow .
[05:11] <calher> Bashing-om: Right. I'm trying.
[05:13] <calher> away
[05:14] <Bashing-om> calher: The updates completed ?
[05:20] <Braden`> I just did a normal package update, and all of a sudden my close, minimize, and maximize buttons have disappeared from gnome shell. Gnome-tweak-tool has no options under Windows->Title Bar Buttons (there are zero options). If anyone could help me fix this, I would greatly appreciate it. I am using Ubuntu 15.04 Gnome Shell Compiz
[05:21] <Braden`> Yet under Metacity, it works fine. Why not under Compiz?
[05:27] <calher> Bashing-om: Done.
[05:28] <Bashing-om> calher: Good. Do we quit for the night .. or ?
[05:28] <calher> Maybe go on, Bashing-om
[05:29] <Bashing-om> calher: OK, install the pastbinit tool : 'sudo apt-get install pastebinit ' so I can see command outputs .
[05:30] <Bashing-om> !paste | calher
[05:31] <BuzzardBuzz> Braden': http://blog.christosoft.de/2015/06/ubuntu-gnome-minimize-buttons-missing-vivid-upgrade/
[05:34] <calher> Bashing-om: Installing...
[05:35] <calher> uh-oh. irssi isn't in my tmux so i cant paste
[05:35] <calher> paste urls
[05:35] <calher> pastebinit installed. Bashing-om
[05:36] <Bashing-om> calher: ' ifconfig | pastebinit ' . see if the WIFI is seen .
[05:37] <calher_tmux> Bashing-om: On tmux. Can paste URIs.
[05:37] <calher_tmux> Bashing-om: pastebinit installed.
[05:38] <Bashing-om> calher_tmux: R; run ' ifconfig | pastebinit ' and pass back the resulting URL .
[05:39] <Braden`> I just did a normal package update, and all of a sudden my close, minimize, and maximize buttons have disappeared from gnome shell. Gnome-tweak-tool has no options under Windows->Title Bar Buttons (there are zero options). If anyone could help me fix this, I would greatly appreciate it. I am using Ubuntu 15.04 Gnome Shell Compiz. It works fine under Metacity, but not under Compiz. Why?
[05:40] <calher> Bashing-om: $ ifconfig | pastebinit
[05:40] <calher> Bad API request, invalid api_dev_key
[05:40] <calher> $
[05:40] <histo> calher: ifconfig | nc termbin.com 9999
[05:40] <calher> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/3fiu
[05:41] <Bashing-om> calher: Look'n at your http://termbin.com/3fiu .
[05:41] <paul_> Are the ubuntu repositories down? it says "failed to download package files, check your intenert connection"
[05:41] <paul_> internet
[05:42] <cfhowlett> paul_, test an alternate mirror
[05:42] <histo> paul_: looks up to me
[05:42] <calher> paul_: Can you visit the URI in your browser? (One of the things being fetched.)
[05:42] <Bashing-om> calher: Bridged WIFI ?? What returns ' iwconfig ' ?
[05:43] <paul_> I'll check
[05:44] <calher> Bashing-om: http://termbin.com/cx8c
[05:45] <paul_> The requested URL /ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-libc-dev_3.2.0-85.122_i386.deb was not found on this server.
[05:45] <paul_> 4 other similar lines
[05:46] <paul_> I'll check mirrors
[05:46] <Bashing-om> calher: OK, identifies as wlan0 . make a back up of " /etc/network/interfaces " and we add the WIFI interfecr to it .
[05:47] <calher> Bashing-om: Command --
[05:47] <calher> $ cat /etc/network/interfaces > ~/Downloads/interfaces_backup.txt
[05:48] <calher> $
[05:49] <PCatinean> How do I close a port from outside and keep it open only for localhost?
[05:49] <PCatinean> So people doing external_ip/domain.com : port will get a connection refused and locally it works
[05:49] <PCatinean> ?
[05:49] <Bashing-om> calher: I would ' sudo cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces-18jun2015 ' .
[05:50] <calher> Bashing-om: $ sudo cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces-18jun201
[05:56] <Bashing-om> calher: Ok in text editor add 3 lines 1) # The Wireless network interface 2) auto wlan0 3) iface wlan0 inet dhcp . Save the file, power the system down (sudo shutdown -h now ), disconnect the wired cable, boot back up with the WIFI switch "on" . Does WIFI now work ?
[05:58] <markithoos> holaaa
[06:01] <calher> Bashing-om: Lines added. File saved. Powering off...
[06:09] <Turnip_Green> Need some help with USBs. Did an upgrade a few days ago (new hardware which subsequently finally allowed me to get a 64 bit OS installed) but now my USBs are wonky. Seems only the 3.0s in the rear of system are working and none of my 2.0s are working. Any ideas?
[06:14] <paul_> histo, that particular file/package (linux image ..-54) was missing from official repositories but I switched to Uoforegon one and it works fine....wonder why
[06:15] <paul_> is it recommended to use a mirror server close to me, rather than official server for security and recommended updates?
[06:23] <calher> Bashing-om: Booted system. No WiFi.
[06:24] <calher> Bashing-om: (Ping to example.net failed.)
[06:26] <calher> Bashing-om: Was I supposed to comment the lines about ethernet?
[06:28] <Bashing-om> calher: Sorry then, getting out of my depth and pay grade . But . what returns when on WIFI ' sudo iwlist wlan scan ' ? And no, mo other commenting ; I had expected it to work .
[06:28] <Bashing-om> wlan0*
[06:34] <PCatinean> Can someone help me setup my ip tables so I refuse connection from outside on certain ports?
[06:34] <calher> Bashing-om: Okay, thanks for trying to help. Why do you want to know the output to that command? To give you its output, I would have to decrypt my disk, remove/comment the last two lines of "interfaces", reboot, walk to the other end of the dwelling, walk into someone's bedroom while they sleep, plug in power cable, plug in ethernet cable, power on machine, enter GRUB shell, decrypt disk, point to volume, type a long command, point
[06:34] <calher> pt the disk, and then log in
[06:37] <Bashing-om> calher: Nawww .. that much bother, no good reason. See : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide/Connections ; see if that helps. I am done for this session, maybe I see ya tomorrow ?
[06:38] <calher> Bashing-om: Yeah, I figured I should ask before I did something so strenuous this late at 01:33. Thanks for the link; will read. I'll be here tomorrow.
[06:39] <PCatinean> HELLOOOO
[06:39] <Bashing-om> calher: K. later .
[06:42] <goju> I am unable to connect to my DSL service plz help
[06:42] <goju> Currently I am connect by a Wifi data card
[06:44] <PCatinean> there is nothing I can do after doing iptables -A INPUT -j DROP
[06:44] <PCatinean> and logging off accidentaly
[06:44] <johnf--> anyone get the 'log out' transparent window stuck on the screen. new feature after upgrading.
[06:44] <goju> I have doubly checked the username and password of my DSL connection that I have created by it refuses to get connected
[06:46] <goju> Plz help
[06:46] <goju> PCatinean : can you help me ?
[06:46] <PCatinean> Sorry I have no knowledge in that area :(
[07:09] <mach20x> here is a picture of the snow on my screen as my graphic malfunctions on an ubuntu 15.04 destop. http://imgur.com/KVcRO89
[07:13] <OerHeks> And what GPU is failing, mach20x ?
[07:14] <mach20x> it's a radeon HD 3650, RV635 designation if I'm not mistaken
[07:15] <PCatinean> How does one configure his iptables so certain ports refuse connection alltogether?
[07:15] <bazhang> try #netfilter PCatinean
[07:16] <OerHeks> mach20x, that old, i guess you have to do with the open driver.
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[07:16] <PCatinean> ah ok, thanks
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[07:16] <mach20x> no HDMI on the open driver I think
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[07:17] <mach20x> plus I uninstalled the fglrx and it has come to this
[07:17] <OerHeks> mach20x, but tearing is not nice, try to reset the monitor with its own menu, maybe that helps
[07:18] <mach20x> when I uninstalled HDMI still worked (mind you it froze sometimes
[07:18] <OerHeks> mach20x, odd, fglrx should not have worked, so uninstall should give no difference
[07:20] <mach20x> maybe I installed it twice
[07:20] <mach20x> how can I be sure to strip it completely
[07:21] <EriC^^> how did you install it?
[07:23] <mach20x> used this command the first time " sudo apt-get install fglrx fglrx-amdcccle "
[07:23] <EriC^^> and the second time?
[07:23] <mach20x> the same command
[07:24] <EriC^^> ok, type sudo apt-get purge fglrx*
[07:24] <mach20x> then I uninstalled using this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/AMD
[07:25] <mach20x> followed the instructions, but there was no xorg.conf and the " sudo amdconfig --adapter=all --initial " yielded a "no adapters" output
[07:25] <crazyhorse18> i'd like to write a script to install multiple packages.. is there anyway i can have them on multiple lines?
[07:26] <kenedy_cuong> hi
[07:27] <kenedy_cuong> O
[07:27] <OerHeks> mach20x, sounds good, as the driver was not in use, use the command EriC^^ gave you, and you'll be fine
[07:28] <mach20x> crazyhorse18: string each CLI command with a " ;" tail/suffix to the end of each line perhaps that will suffice
[07:28] <EriC^^> crazyhorse18: sudo apt-get install \ .. something \ , something \, etc. on each line
[07:29] <crazyhorse18> mach20x, tired ,, dint' work
[07:29] <crazyhorse18> EriC^^, tried that too
[07:29] <EriC^^> crazyhorse18: that should work
[07:29] <crazyhorse18> but when i copy and paste that into the console
[07:29] <crazyhorse18> it breaks
[07:29] <EriC^^> be sure to put a space between something and \
[07:30] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get install <a> && sudo apt-get install <b> && sudo apt-get install <c>
[07:30] <crazyhorse18> yeah maybe that's easiest
[07:30] <mach20x> EriC^^: this was my output using that command http://paste.ubuntu.com/11734245/
[07:30] <EriC^^> crazyhorse18: that would have to call apt-get a bunch of times..
[07:31] <EriC^^> use something \ something \ ...
[07:31] <EriC^^> paste the script you're writing if you need help
[07:31] <mach20x> I'm currently using ubuntu in recovery mode if that makes a difference
[07:31] <crazyhorse18> EriC^^, i can't access github at the moment. so bit hard to paste
[07:32] <EriC^^> cat script | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:32] <OerHeks> mach20x, totally clean, no package at all, as espected
[07:32] <crazyhorse18> ahh nm ubuntu pastebin works
[07:32] <EriC^^> mach20x: is xserver-xorg-video-ati installed?
[07:34] <mach20x> when I boot normal the image I showed is what results
[07:35] <EriC^^> type dpkg -l | grep "video-ati\|radeon"
[07:35] <mach20x> tried to ls -i , and got this; ls: cannot access xserver-xorg-video-ati: No such file or directory
[07:36] <mach20x> only see a carrot ">"
[07:36] <EriC^^> make sure the last " is there
[07:38] <mach20x> here's the return output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11734268/
[07:38] <EriC^^> ok, both are installed
[07:39] <EriC^^> you could try sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-{ati,radeon}
[07:39] * ObrienDave waves from Win7ville ;P
[07:39] <EriC^^> if you want
[07:40] <crazyhorse18> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11734275/
[07:40] <crazyhorse18> ok this almost owkrs
[07:40] <mach20x> I'll try it
[07:40] <crazyhorse18> the perl bit works.. just need to pipe it to apt-get install
[07:41] <crazyhorse18> do you always have to go something | pipes-to-this
[07:41] <crazyhorse18> or can you get pipes-to-this << something
[07:42] <trijntje_> I was testing some packages in chroot. After exiting the chroot I could not unmount chroot/proc, so I rebooted the pc. Now the boot hangs with http://imgur.com/dse2vUS What can I do to fix this?
[07:42] <mach20x> here's the tail output of that command http://paste.ubuntu.com/11734285/
[07:43] <EriC^> crazyhorse18: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11734284/
[07:43] <EriC^> use something like that ^
[07:43] <mach20x> the grep command you referred me yielded the same output
[07:43] <crazyhorse18> can i get the perl one working? because then i don't have to worry about newlines etc
[07:44] <crazyhorse18> i'm not sure about other linux piping options.. i only know >
[07:44] <macopython> I have plugged in my Nexus 5 in my ubuntu system. How can i get UUID of it ?
[07:44] <ShotChain> How would one go about migrating from one linux distro to another
[07:45] <ObrienDave> ShotChain, from which to which?
[07:45] <ShotChain> Ubuntu to Elementary OS
[07:45] <ObrienDave> easiest way is to install from LiveDVD
[07:46] <ShotChain> No DVD drive :(
[07:46] <ObrienDave> and why, oh why, would you want to do that?
[07:46] <mach20x> will reboot and see what happens
[07:47] <ObrienDave> ok, use unetbootin or yumi to make live USB stick. boot stick. install that way
[07:47] <ShotChain> Um well I didn't have a lot of money
[07:47] <ShotChain> So I bought the computer without the CD drive
[07:47] <OerHeks> ShotChain, so how did you install elementary ?
[07:47] <crazyhorse18> EriC^, got it working "perl -pe 's/\s+/ /g' <<EOF | sudo apt-get install"
[07:48] <ObrienDave> ShotChain, you have USB ports, yes?
[07:48] <ShotChain> I'm trying to do so
[07:48] <ObrienDave> how did you install Ubuntu?
[07:48] <EriC^> crazyhorse18: ok, cool
[07:48] <ShotChain> USB
[07:48] <gnudon> How do i move all subdirectories from download folder to public folder without root access using ubuntu terminal? I tries rsync -avP ~/download /public with no luck
[07:48] <OerHeks> oh wait, ShotChain, you ask for elementary support ?
[07:48] <OerHeks> :-D
[07:48] <ObrienDave> ShotChain, ok, that will work for eOS
[07:49] <trijntje_> gnudon: you cant if root owns /public
[07:49] <EriC^> gnudon: why not?
[07:49] <EriC^> gnudon: do you have write access to /public?
[07:49] <ObrienDave> OerHeks, nah, he wants to migrate to eOS from Ubuntu
[07:49] <ObrienDave> why, is beyond me ;P
[07:49] <geirha> crazyhorse18: apt-get install doesn't read input as far as I know
[07:50] <crazyhorse18> geirha :(
[07:50] <geirha> crazyhorse18: how about this? http://sprunge.us/HAKP
[07:52] <crazyhorse18> geirha, that worked
[07:52] <crazyhorse18> very nice!
[07:52] <crazyhorse18> whats the ${packages[@] syntax ?
[07:52] <geirha> crazyhorse18: That's part of bash's array syntax
[07:53] <crazyhorse18> geira: interesting.. i'll check it out
[07:53] <crazyhorse18> thankyo
[07:54] <trijntje_> My ubuntu 14.04 hangs during boot. How can I fix this?
[07:54] <EriC^> crazyhorse18: geirha 's is nice and elegant, just throwing this out there, it worked too http://paste.ubuntu.com/11734312/
[07:54] <geirha> crazyhorse18: Check /topic #bash for resources on learning bash
[07:54] <kyr0> trijntje_: Do you see any error messages or just the splash screen?
[07:55] <geirha> EriC^: You don't need that cat though, just xargs sudo apt-get ... << EOF will do
[07:55] <macopython> I have plugged in my Nexus 5 in my ubuntu system. How can i get UUID of it ?
[07:55] <trijntje_> kyr0: If I boot with verbose I get http://imgur.com/dse2vUS
[07:56] <DJones> !uuid | macopython Hopefully this will help,
[07:56] <EriC^> geirha: cool, thanks!
[07:57] <macopython> ubottu, I tried that
[07:57] <gnudon> what is the best way if i have write acess
[07:57] <macopython> It shows my main disk and swap only
[07:57] <EriC^> gnudon: if you have write access rsync -av should work
[07:57] <linocisco> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11734249/
[07:58] <EriC^> gnudon: type id && ls -ld /public
[07:58] <gnudon> ok
[07:58] <kyr0> trijntje_: Did you happen to see this post? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2218100
[07:59] <kyr0> trijntje_: Also, are you running secure boot UEFI?
[08:01] <mach20x> It just keeps looking worse every time that I do a normal boot into the system
[08:01] <trijntje_> kyr0: I'll have a go at disabling plymouth, thanks. I'm actually not sure if I have UEFI or not, what is the best way to check that?
[08:01] <kyr0> trijntje_: Because the reason it is not booting might be related to the tainting kernel messages instead of the plymouth messages.
[08:01] <mach20x> The tearing (as it was put) is even worse now
[08:02] <kyr0> trijntje_: I find checking the bios the most easy, if you are unable to boot into the ssytem. Good luck!
[08:02] <gnudon> own by root
[08:02] <EriC^> gnudon: and the permissions bit?
[08:03] <EriC^> d-rwx----....?
[08:03] <mach20x> cystal clear in VGA for fecovery mode (the resolution is not that great though)
[08:03] <trijntje_> kyr0: from the live cd I can see that /boot has no UEFI/efi stuf in it, so I guess I dont have UEFI enabled
[08:03] <ObrienDave> ok, going back to Xubuntu. back in a few
[08:03] <EriC^> !yay | ObrienDave
[08:04] <gnudon> when i click on your username it take me to private chat
[08:04] <EriC^> mach20x: did you try the fglrx-updates ?
[08:04] <macopython> anyone else ?
[08:04] <EriC^> gnudon: you can type the first few letters of the nickname and press tab for completion
[08:05] <mach20x> I used that command after I purged the first time
[08:05] <macopython> I have plugged in my Nexus 5 in my Ubuntu system. How can i get details like mount point, UUID of it ?
[08:05] <EriC^> mach20x: ok, you can use the drivers from the amd website i guess
[08:05] <EriC^> it's up to you
[08:06] <OerHeks> macopython, usually any mounted space will turn up under media, type 'mount' in the terminal to see info
[08:06] <kyr0> trijntje_: Yes, that is correct.
[08:06] <mach20x> I can give it a try
[08:06] <trijntje_> kyr0: no luck with removing plymouth config
[08:06] <gnudon> EriC^, drwxrwxr-x
[08:06] <macopython> Ok OerHeks. THanks
[08:06] <trijntje_> as in: ubuntu still hangs during boot
[08:06] <EriC^> gnudon: ok, you don't have write access
[08:07] <gnudon> EriC^, thanks
[08:07] <mach20x> the linux 86_64 drivers work fine with ubuntu?
[08:07] <EriC^> gnudon: you can give your user write access alone using ACL if you don't want it to have write access for everyone
[08:07] <kyr0> trijntje_: Hm, then we have to start looking at those kernel taint messages.
[08:07] <mach20x> seems to be the option I get when I go there
[08:07] <OerHeks> EriC^, mach20x useless for that HD 3650, RV635
[08:08] <gnudon> EriC^, what is ACL?
[08:08] <macopython> OerHeks, I got output but none of them looks like my mobile phone.
[08:08] <mach20x> Access Control List
[08:08] <EriC^> OerHeks: ok, what do you suggest?
[08:08] <EriC^> gnudon: it's access control lists
[08:08] <trijntje_> kyr0: I'll try one more thing and then just reinstall, thats faster then figuring out whats wrong
[08:08] <macopython> OerHeks: its not in /media
[08:08] <kyr0> trijntje_: Is this a new computer, or did you have it for a while
[08:09] <gnudon> EriC^, list
[08:09] <OerHeks> EriC^, nothing but the open driver, that screentearing seems getting worse, dunno if that is a software thing or hardware/connector.
[08:09] <OerHeks> or fan
[08:09] <OerHeks> macopython, maybe you need the mtp tools?
[08:09] <trijntje_> kyr0: I've had it for a while, its a HP Z420 workstation
[08:10] <macopython> Ohk
[08:10] <mach20x> I checked the connector, it doesn't appear that either of them are experiencing a faulty contact
[08:10] <macopython> I can see it in only lsusb output. No other command lists it
[08:10] <OerHeks> macopython, and make sure 'usb storage' is enabled > http://askubuntu.com/questions/461416/how-to-mount-nexus-4-to-14-04
[08:10] <mach20x> plus both screens are effected the same
[08:10] <kyr0> trijntje_: That module license CDDL tains kernel message, a lot of people have that issue i see.
[08:10] <kyr0> trijntje_: http://www.google.nl/search?q=module+license+cddl+taints+the+kernel&btnG=Zoeken&hl=nl&gbv=1
[08:12] <macopython> OerHeks: it gets detected but I want to know the details of it
[08:12] <mach20x> plus it is crystal clear in recovery mode as I said
[08:12] <EriC^> mach20x: did you try nomodeset? just a thought
[08:13] <mach20x> I did attempt that
[08:13] <trijntje_> kyr0: I've fixed it, it looks like it hung on an unrelated error in fstab. But that was masked since ubuntu switches vt halfway through the boot proces. I just noticed it when I rebooted with ctrl + alt + del and saw the fstab message as part of the shutdown messages
[08:13] <macopython> OerHeks: Even when I see properties of it, it doesn't show location. It shows mtp in volume
[08:13] <EriC^> gnudon: sudo setfacl -m u:<your user>:rwx /public , if you want your user to have rwx access to /public
[08:13] <mach20x> I just write it after "quiet splash right?
[08:14] <kyr0> trijntje_: Sweet!
[08:14] <EriC^> mach20x: yeah
[08:15] <mach20x> no dice, still had the snow/tearing issue
[08:15] <gnudon> ok i will contact the host to do that
[08:15] <gnudon> EriC^, thanks
[08:15] <EriC^> no problem
[08:18] <EriC^> gnudon: there's also the sticky bit, like /tmp, if you set that then every user could create files but nobody could delete the other persons files
[08:19] <gnudon> most importantly is to move the content in the download to the public
[08:20] <EriC^> gnudon: ok, setfacl should do it, you'll be able to copy them whenever you need to
[08:20] <mach20x> is there anyway that I can get the HDMI running with the open drivers, if I formatted and installed 14.04.2?
[08:21] <macopython> OerHeks: Found it in /run/user/1000/gvfs
[08:22] <gnudon> EriC^, you mean setfacl publicfolder?
[08:25] <EriC^> gnudon: this command sudo setfacl -m u:<your user>:rwx /public
[08:25] <gnudon> ok
[08:26] <gnudon> EriC^, remember i do not have root access, so permission will not allow that
[08:26] <EriC^> gnudon: yeah, you need to have root access to use setfacl on it
[08:27] <gnudon> EriC^, thanks
[08:27] <EriC^> after that, you can copy normally every time
[08:33] <yocapybara> guys. what's the goto intrusion detection system for ubuntu these days that comes most recommended? Still tripwire?
[08:36] <alket> hi, im having a problem with apt-get in my work computer https://paste.kde.org/pxj7wk4kl , please help , thanks
[08:37] <PCatinean> Does anyone know why I can't wget http://localhost:8069 after setting this? http://hastebin.com/yoluloxova.vhdl
[08:39] <ikonia> PCatinean: localhost won't be blocked by a firewall
[08:39] <ikonia> although you've just told your firewall to block EVERYTHING
[08:40] <PCatinean> ikonia, woudn't the rule above hit first?
[08:40] <ikonia> I suspect localhost is not 127.0.0.1 on your machine
[08:40] <macopython> PCatinean: Have you tried same after disabling firewall so that you can be sure its due to firewall ?
[08:44] <PCatinean> ikonia, that's most probable
[08:45] <PCatinean> macopython, yes, once I remove the last rule which blocks all it works
[08:45] <PCatinean> From what I've read this is the best procedure, manage exceptions and refuse everything else
[08:49] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: good morning
[08:49] <cfhowlett> evenin' lotuspsychje
[08:50] <macopython> Every file in a file system has one hard link by default. What does that mean ? Anyone ?
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> macopython: can you explain what you mean please
[08:52] <gnudon> EriC^, what command can i use to show .htacess from terminal?
[08:52] <cerry> gnudon: I like less, it's more than more :>
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> gnudon: or the 'whereis' command
[08:53] <agent_white> macopython: It means that a file points to physical disk space. Changing the name of the file, still points to the same physical disk space.
[08:53] <cyberalex4life> macopython, this means that the things (files) linked are somewhere else. Hard links tend to be closer to original files beeind in there. I read somewhere that once a hard link is removed, it will also be removed the original file
[08:53] <agent_white> More importantly, it would be a good idea to see the difference between hardlinks and symlinks.
[08:55] <agent_white> Or just filesystem internals (inodes, etc...) in general. See http://www.tldp.org/LDP/tlk/fs/filesystem.html
[08:56] <macopython> cyberalex4life: right. That I know. But where is that default hard link is located ?
[08:56] <zack_s_> how can I update my time from the server via cmd line?
[08:56] <zack_s_> sudo ntpdate -u ntp.ubuntu.com
[08:56] <agent_white> macopython: Check out my links above.
[08:57] <zack_s_> no server suitable for synchronization found
[08:57] <zack_s_> I get
[08:57] <macopython> agent_white. Ok sure
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> !ntp | zack_s_
[08:57] <agent_white> zack_s_: Better to use pool.ntp.org. -- http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/use.html
[09:01] <zack_s_> agent_white: this returns the same message
[09:02] <agent_white> zack_s_: Paste the output of "sudo ntpdate -dv pool.ntp.org"
[09:02] <agent_white> (into a pastie,pastebin,gist,etc...)
[09:04] <agent_white> zack_s_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/49401/unable-to-sync-time-using-ntpdate-error-no-server-suitable-for-synchronizat -- Follow the answer to this, minus the "tzdata" portion.
[09:06] <almost_tr00p> hello, I'm connected to wifi network and I'm trying to share that connection over ethernet to router. Do you have an idea how to do it?
[09:07] <almost_tr00p> My router is D-link DIR-501, and it shares connection ONLY over ethernet cable.
[09:10] <Johnny_Linux> if the router is ethernet only, you cant
[09:10] <dearn> You can do Internet -> PC with Wifi ----ethernet cable---> router -> rest of network
[09:10] <dearn> but it's just...
[09:10] <almost_tr00p> yes
[09:11] <almost_tr00p> that's what i wanted to do
[09:11] <almost_tr00p> want*
[09:11] <dearn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370 then probably this will be enough
[09:11] <patrice__> Hello everybody !
[09:12] <patrice__> I have to intall ubuntu trusty with "crouton" on some chromebook. Sometimes, when i lauch "sudo startgnome" i get this error message : "(EE) Caught signal 11 (segmentation fault). Server aborting". So what could i do to avoid or repair this error ? Thanks for your help !
[09:12] <almost_tr00p> will it work when the wifi uses generate 204 for auth?
[09:12] <dearn> almost_tr00p: as long internet works on PC that shares wifi to router it will work
[09:12] <almost_tr00p> dearn: ok nice :]
[09:13] <dearn> but you will need both PC and Router running which is a terrible solution
[09:14] <Johnny_Linux> for sure
[09:26] <pnp108> test.
[09:27] <linocisco> my wget never works behind wpad proxy with authentication. I tried many manuals and referece on internet
[09:27] <linocisco> .ubuntu server is behind wpad proxy. I can create apt.conf and put some entries for http and apt proxy entries so apt-get commands work but wget never works
[09:27] <almost_tr00p> dearn: how do i configure the router then?
[09:29] <k1l_> linocisco: the apt.conf only works for apt. not for other programs
[09:29] <linocisco> k1l_, so how can I make wget work ??????
[09:30] <k1l_> linocisco: set it at /etc/wgetrc or in your home folder in .wgetrc
[09:31] <linocisco> k1l_, how to? now it is in the middle of long process apt-get update && upgrade
[09:31] <zack_s_> agent_white: sorry I cannot copy paste content of my vmware shell running ubuntu
[09:31] <k1l_> linocisco: apt-get got nothing to do with wget
[09:31] <patrice__> hello, i'm looking for /msg alis, where can i get it ?
[09:32] <linocisco> k1l_, meaning I am update and upgrading my ubuntu server.
[09:32] <zack_s_> I first have to connect via puty, but this require some changes inside inetd.conf, which does not exist...
[09:32] <FourDollars> Does anyone know which bot logs for http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/06/18/%23ubuntu.html?
[09:32] <k1l_> linocisco: so let the update run first
[09:32] <linocisco> k1l_, both are being run
[09:33] <k1l_> linocisco: see the answers: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11211705/setting-proxy-in-wget
[09:34] <FourDollars> ubuntulog: Are you the bot?
[09:34] <linocisco> k1l_, no official information from ubuntu documentation on this?
[09:34] <k1l_> linocisco: did you look?
[09:35] <linocisco> k1l_, yes. looking
[09:35] <k1l_> !proxy
[09:35] <zack_s_> I have no inetd.conf file, is this normal? (ubuntu server)
[09:35] <k1l_> linocisco: if you want it 100% official look into the manpages.
[09:35] <FourDollars> I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots. Never mind.
[09:49] <raskel> hi, i'm using Ubuntu 15.04, i have an usb stick which is FAT formatted. In the morning i did copy some files on it but right now i'm on an other computer which is using Ubuntu and i can not see that files. I don't figure out how could i access them? I guess it is because it is formatted as FAT? Could i get the files on Ubuntu whithout losing data?
[09:52] <raskel> no one? it has 4GB and it's FAT formatted.
[09:53] <Ben64> raskel: what files did you copy, where, did you properly remove the drive
[09:54] <streulma> hello, I have AMD Radeon R3 on chip CPU graphics and I encounter some glitches in the display with the property driver from AMD, the OpenSource driver also
[09:54] <OerHeks> raskel, see if "ls -al" gives any files, then try "sudo ls -al"
[09:57] <raskel> Ben64, yes, i always use "Eject". OerHeks, it's empty. it has 4GB and is FAT formatted. ( i know FAT is old and has a lot of limities )
[09:58] <OerHeks> raskel, then there are no files.
[09:58] <pz3Gull> Hi, Everyone!
[09:58] <raskel> OerHeks, yeah and my mind doesn't get what happend there but... life is life. :)
[10:00] <linocisco> k1l_, Error parsing proxy URL http://username:password@host:8080: Bad port number.
[10:02] <k1l_> linocisco: you need to change the usernam, password and host and portnumber to the actual ones on the proxy you use
[10:02] <pz3Gull> When I run the following command "firefox --version", it returns that error before my firefox version "(process:2681): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed". Have you an idea to fix it?
[10:03] <linocisco> k1l_, yes. I did
[10:05] <OerHeks> pz3Gull, that is a known bug, that also gives https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1160569
[10:07] <linocisco> k1l_, I created /home/.wgetrc file
[10:08] <linocisco> k1l_, and now trying to wget like root@ubuntuserver14:/# wget google.com
[10:08] <linocisco> --2015-06-18 16:36:17-- http://google.com/
[10:08] <linocisco> Resolving google.com (google.com)... 216.58.211.78, 2a00:1450:4007:80e::200e
[10:08] <linocisco> Connecting to google.com (google.com)|216.58.211.78|:80...
[10:08] <linocisco> root@ubuntuserver14:/# wget google.com
[10:08] <linocisco> --2015-06-18 16:36:17-- http://google.com/
[10:08] <linocisco> Resolving google.com (google.com)... 216.58.211.78, 2a00:1450:4007:80e::200e
[10:08] <linocisco> Connecting to google.com (google.com)|216.58.211.78|:80... failed: Connection timed out.
[10:08] <linocisco> Connecting to google.com (google.com)|2a00:1450:4007:80e::200e|:80... failed: Network is unreachable.
[10:08] <k1l_> what did you put into the wgetrc?
[10:09] <OerHeks> !paste
[10:09] <k1l_> linocisco: please use a pastebin
[10:09] <pz3Gull> Thanks! I'll read it :)
[10:09] <linocisco> k1l_, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11734693/
[10:10] <linocisco> k1l_, I put my own user name password
[10:10] <streulma> raskel, it is not exFAT formatted ?
[10:10] <almost_tr00p> hi guys, it's me again ;)
[10:11] <streulma> Ubuntu can't work with exFAT...
[10:11] <almost_tr00p> Now, I'm trying to connect laptop to computer, and laptop should forward wifi to computr over ethernet
[10:11] <almost_tr00p> computer*
[10:11] <bazhang> !ics | almost_tr00p
[10:12] <almost_tr00p> ok, I'll try
[10:12] <k1l_> linocisco: you run that as root, so in the users home its not used. set it in /etc/wgetrc
[10:12] <OerHeks> almost_tr00p, that is possible with standard network manager, add > bridge ..
[10:12] <k1l_> linocisco: and make sure the port is correct
[10:13] <linocisco> k1l_, yes. port is correct . i use same in apt.conf. that apt thing worked
[10:13] <linocisco> k1l_, /etc/wgetrc default file or /etc/.wgetrc to create new file?
[10:14] <k1l_> /etc/wgetrc
[10:15] <isomorphismes> The SO answers to "You have held broken packages" are a bit oldish now, so I'm asking here.
[10:16] <k1l_> isomorphismes: run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[10:16] <isomorphismes> Besides apt-mark, dpkg --get-selections, and using aptitude to "try harder", what is some general advice for dealing with the error?
[10:16] <k1l_> isomorphismes: run my command. then see if that updated all held packages
[10:16] <isomorphismes> k1l_: thanks. What is full upgrade?
[10:17] <k1l_> isomorphismes: some updates need to install new packages (like the kernel package).
[10:17] <isomorphismes> I don't see it on `man apt`
[10:17] <ice9> why did Ubuntu move switched to systemd?
[10:17] <OerHeks> ice9, upstart is too old.
[10:18] <k1l_> the issue is, that its named and diverted into the historically. the GUI updater does it all at once and doesnt confuse the user
[10:18] <ice9> OerHeks: any benefits of using systemd over upstart other than it's too old?
[10:18] <k1l_> ice9: systemd is the defacto standard on linux now. there is no sense in keeping upstart and needing to maintain everything from systemd to make it work with upstart again
[10:18] <OerHeks> ice9, you better get used to it. sure there are advantages, i have no list ready
[10:20] <k1l_> isomorphismes: see http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/vivid/en/man8/apt.8.html
[10:20] <OerHeks> no need for bootchart anymore > systemd-analyze blame
[10:20] <isomorphismes> ah ok it's in `man apt-get`
[10:20] <isomorphismes> k1l_: thanks
[10:20] <isomorphismes> I'm on Precise I don't know if that matters
[10:20] <aps> Hi. My Ubuntu 14.04 boot stops at "Loading initial ramdisk". Here is the output in verbose mode - https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-28KdODXf0bs/VWybfkfczSI/AAAAAAAAAMg/Ixbr6ihPK7k/w872-h1162-no/2015-06-01.jpg
[10:21] <k1l_> isomorphismes: the old apt-get one is named "apt-get dist-upgrade". but that dist is confusing people to think they get to 15.04 when they run that.
[10:21] <k1l_> isomorphismes: yeah, the ubuntu version used matters. :)
[10:21] <aps> Tried with older kernels as well, same result.
[10:21] <isomorphismes> k1l_: right, I saw dist-upgrade as an alias when I googled full-upgrade. and man apt-get for 12.04 seems to have .. something
[10:22] <isomorphismes> k1l_: and yeah,I was principally worried that you were telling me to change OS versions
[10:23] <aps> I even tried adding "nomodeset" in boot options, still same result. Can't seem to find the cause of the problem. Can someone please help?
[10:23] <EriC^> aps: boot a live usb
[10:23] <EriC^> did you recently add a hdd or something?
[10:23] <EriC^> or usb maybe
[10:23] <aps> EriC^: no
[10:24] <isomorphismes> More specifically I'm having a problem installing mono-develop. Tried both from Ubuntu's repo and Xamarin (I may have somehow deleted Xamarin's version with aptitude, if it does that)
[10:24] <aps> EriC^: I can boot with a live usb though. What to do next?
[10:25] <EriC^> type cat /var/log/boot.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:26] <EriC^> aps: nevermind
[10:27] <EriC^> mount the installation's partition
[10:27] <EriC^> sudo mount /dev/sdxY /mnt
[10:29] <aps> EriC^: so sorry, on an urgent call right now. Please drop instructions or I'll come back in a while. Thanks a lot!
[10:29] <technocf> I just booted up my computer to find that Unity and Skype had somehow un-installed themselves. Both of them had completely disappeared, I have got them back now, I re-installed them. Why would this have happened? I'm running 15.04 with a clean install 3 days ago.
[10:30] <EriC^> aps: ok, ttyl
[10:30] <EriC^> technocf: maybe you removed a package and it removed unity?
[10:30] <EriC^> like removing lightdm removes ubuntu-desktop too
[10:31] <technocf> EriC^: That's the thing though, I didn't remove anything.
[10:31] <EriC^> technocf: check /var/log/apt/history.log
[10:31] <EriC^> maybe it got removed somehow
[10:31] <technocf> EriC^: I'll take a look... this is just so peculiar.
[10:34] <technocf> I found the culprit, I wish I could see the user who initiated the command: "apt-get remove python"
[10:34] <EriC^> technocf: /var/log/auth.log
[10:34] <technocf> I share this machine with 2 other people.
[10:34] <EriC^> or just ask them
[10:35] <technocf> EriC^: I've found who it was... they were logged in as root. That's a pain.
[10:36] <technocf> EriC^: Well, nevermind. Things work now so not such a big deal. Bye.
[10:37] <abcdefgh> hello
[10:38] <abcdefgh> does ubuntu uses xinitrc
[10:38] <EriC^> no
[10:40] <ghking> hello everyone! nowdays, my ubuntu always go to black screen when start up. My laptop has two video card, and the 01:00.0 has some problem.
[10:40] <ghking> I have looked dmesg, there has a log as follow:
[10:40] <ghking> [ 7.598587] vgaarb: transferring owner from PCI:0000:00:02.0 to PCI:0000:01:00.0
[10:40] <ghking> I think it's because this that my screen get to black
[10:40] <ghking> so,I want to disable vag transferring, what should i do!
[10:41] <k1l_> ghking: what driver is installed? and what ubuntu version? and what video card is it?
[10:43] <ghking> k1l_, no driver, ubuntu 12.04, ati
[10:43] <k1l_> then install the fglrx
[10:44] <abcdefgh> I find myself typing xrdb /path/to/terminal-colors every time I login or close the terminal
[10:45] <ghking> k1l_ i can not get into the system! and i have say the ati card has some problem, it's physical
[10:45] <ghking> probem
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:45] <abcdefgh> can I make this automatic with mate instead of typing xrdb
[10:45] <k1l_> ghking: is it a hybrid card, that got a ati video card and a cpu build in card?
[10:46] <OnkelTem_> Hi. Ideas why pkill sometimes doesn't work?
[10:46] <OnkelTem_> For example right now, I have skype process running, but I can't kill it. I issue this: 'pkill -f skype', but no reaction.
[10:46] <ghking> k1l_ cpu build in card, my cpu is i3
[10:47] <k1l_> ghking: details matter! so what ubuntu version, what video card exactly?
[10:47] <k1l_> ghking: if its a amd/ati card and a cpu buiild in you need the prop. amd driver "fglrx" from the ubuntu repo because that can handle both cards
[10:49] <ghking> k1l_ vgaarb: transferring owner from PCI:0000:00:02.0 to PCI:0000:01:00.0
[10:49] <ghking> k1l_ can I disable the transferring
[10:50] <k1l_> ghking: stop.
[10:50] <ghking> why?
[10:51] <k1l_> ghking: you have a hybrid card there. that means you got the cpu-build-in card and a real video card from amd. this is made because of using less battery with the cpu card and having more power if needed with the amd card.
[10:51] <k1l_> sometimes you can disable that and set it to the cpu-card only in bios. but the easiest way is to install the "fglrx" driver from the ubuntu repo that can handle both cards and that will work as intended then.
[10:53] <ghking> k1l_ but I have also installed kali linux in my laptop, and it doesn't transferring ownership, and it works fine!
[10:54] <k1l_> ghking: i cant help you if you dont want to either install the prop. driver "fglrx" or set it to one video card in bios.
[10:54] <k1l_> ghking: some distributions install the prop.drivers automatically even if its not allowed.
[10:55] <ghking> k1l_ ok! but how can i install "fglrx", I can not get into my system, it's just black screen
[10:55] <ghking> my bios doesn't support disable video card
[10:55] <k1l_> ghking: press ctrl+alt+f1. then login then do a "sudo apt-get install fglrx"
[10:56] <PCatinean> I have configured iptables firewall in such a way to permit only http https ssh and another port from outside source, the problem is that I had a irc bot working before and I assume it was listening on some port for informaton and now it's blocked
[10:57] <PCatinean> Given the fact that I have another server ready and I can run the same bot, how can I check which port it uses so I can open it up?
[10:57] <ghking> k1l_ I can not get into the system even the terminal
[10:57] <bazhang> what version of kali ghking
[10:57] <ghking> 1.0
[10:58] <k1l_> ghking: still not answered what ubuntu that is exactly and what video card exactly
[10:58] <k1l_> ghking: details matter
[10:59] <ghking> wait...
[11:01] <Guest17541> hello everyone
[11:01] <Guest17541> 我怎么参与ubuntu的社区开发
[11:02] <k1l_> !cn | Guest17541
[11:02] <ghking> k1l_ 12.04 Radeom HD 6470m
[11:04] <dingus> hello all, Im running lubuntu 15.04 -- I love it.
[11:07] <k1l_> !nomodeset | ghking
[11:08] <PCatinean> can anyone help?
[11:08] <k1l_> ghking: try set kernel setting and see if you can get into a desktop or the tty1 with that.
[11:08] <ghking> thank you! let me try
[11:08] <k1l_> ghking: but i recommend you use a newer ubuntu like 14.04 because that got better support for that hybrid cards
[11:16] <sibaar> hello
[11:17] <sibaar> Can someone assist me with an Ubuntu battery issue?
[11:17] <sibaar> Ubuntu uses my computer's battery till 0% and dies.
[11:17] <sibaar> Now obviously, that is a problem.
[11:20] <micalm> Plug it in
[11:25] <ghking> k1l_ thank you! I have get in my system use momodeset
[11:25] <ghking> nomodeset
[11:25] <ghking> bye
[11:25] <sibaar> Plug what in?
[11:25] <sibaar> but I'd like it to hibernate at 10%
[11:26] <k1l_> ghking: install the fglrx now
[11:26] <ghking> ok
[11:32] <zack_s_> does anybody know why inetd.conf is not on my ubuntu installation?
[11:35] <sibaar> @zack_s_ I don't even know what inetd.conf is.
[11:36] <zack_s_> I have it from here: http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1039095
[11:36] <Sander^work> How do I find out which cd nfs-common is located on in 14.04?
[11:36] <zack_s_> https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/inetd
[11:36] <Sander^work> iso cd.
[11:36] <sibaar> How do I set the percentage for hibernate on ubuntu? My computer goes to 0% and dies.
[11:37] <sibaar> Should I be asking this else where?
[11:43] <sibaar> this is hopeless
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[11:46] <Squarepy> sibaar, have you checked the basic power settings
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[11:48] <sibaar> Squarepy, I have. How do I do that again?
[11:48] <Squarepy> system settings -> power
[11:49] <sibaar> The charge bar is empty and "when power is critically low" option "hibernate" is greyed out.
[11:49] <sibaar> Hence, "power off" is selected.
[11:49] <sibaar> Is the issue else where?
[11:50] <Squarepy> sibaar, it could be that hibernation is not supported or has been turned off on your laptop
[11:50] <sibaar> I use hibernation from the temrinal
[11:51] <sibaar> It certainly works.
[11:51] <sibaar> Hibernate is also available through the power down menu.
[11:51] <Squarepy> k
[11:51] <sibaar> I guess this is why they call me "novice."
[11:51] <sibaar> How do you change your user colour?
[11:52] <Squarepy> 'user color'?
[11:53] <EriC^> sibaar: if you don't select either one, it should suspend
[11:54] <EriC^> sibaar: hibernate is also greyed out here, i have neither selected and it suspends
[11:54] <OerHeks> to "enable the hibernate option in the menus" see https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html last part
[11:54] <sibaar> Boy, am I relieved to see you, Eric. I cannot select anything but "power off." It doesn't give me the option.
[11:54] <EriC^> follow OerHeks 's guide
[11:54] <sibaar> user color
[11:54] <sibaar> Understood, Eric.
[11:55] <sibaar> Would this work too? :http://askubuntu.com/questions/195671/wont-hibernate-when-battery-critical
[11:55] <sibaar> http://askubuntu.com/questions/195671/wont-hibernate-when-battery-critical
[11:55] <reddeath68> Can someone help me potentially fix a nightmarish problem with 14.04.2?
[11:55] <EckyEcky> Hi, for every single command I run I get this output: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[11:55] <EckyEcky> mysql, apt-get ... it all gives that
[11:55] <sibaar> hello
[11:56] <EckyEcky> what is it?
[11:56] <sibaar> How do I change user colour?
[11:56] <cyberalex4life> sibaar, what is your problem, you can't hibernate?
[11:57] <EriC^> sibaar: you mean how this is red?
[11:57] <EriC^> sibaar: follow OerHeks 's guide it seems better, try to create that file and add that text
[11:57] <sibaar> Yes! How are you red?
[11:57] <sibaar> I shall follow your orders, Eric.
[11:57] <reddeath68> not to bad just having issues with lots of crashes and freezes
[11:58] <EriC^> type the first few letters of a nickname then press tab it'll autocomplete
[11:58] <EriC^> and it'll show up red or something else on the person's irc client
[11:58] <sibaar> cyberralex4life, I can hibernate but the computer won't hibernate when it reaches critical power. OerHeks has suggested a resolution. Execution Ongoing.
[11:59] <sibaar> EriC^,
[11:59] <sibaar> Now you're blue.
[11:59] <EriC^> :D
[11:59] <sibaar> I'd like to change from grey to something easily visible.
[11:59] <sibaar> ping EriC^
[11:59] <EriC^> are you using xchat?
[11:59] <sibaar> Yes, Sir.
[12:00] <reddeath68> is someone familiar with ati graphics and ubuntu 14.04.2?
[12:00] <OerHeks> sibaar, top panel, settings, preferences
[12:00] <EckyEcky> even doing sudo apt-get gives this:
[12:00] <EckyEcky> apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:00] <EckyEcky>
[12:00] <EckyEcky> anyone knows what this is?
[12:01] <cyberalex4life> sibaar, I have something else for you here http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-enable-hibernation , the ideea is to choose the three block of test solution
[12:01] <OerHeks> EckyEcky, on wat ubuntu version ?
[12:01] <EckyEcky> 10.10
[12:02] <sibaar> OerHeks, where do I go next?
[12:02] <sibaar> I admire your tolerances.
[12:02] <reddeath68> im having issues with kernel oops mentioning paging
[12:02] <OerHeks> cyberalex4life, that askubuntu answers are all incomplete compared to the official wiki :-(
[12:02] <bazhang> !eolupgrades | EckyEcky
[12:02] <bazhang> upgrade to a supported version first EckyEcky
[12:02] <sibaar> Hibernation is enabled. It simply does not function when power is critical. Computer is suppose to hibernate at critical power.
[12:03] <sibaar> Icky Vicky.
[12:03] <EckyEcky> bahzang: I can't. They want to stay on this one.
[12:03] <OerHeks> sibaar, that is logical, even windows/mac does not allow that
[12:03] <sibaar> Sorry.
[12:03] <sibaar> What does Windows/Mac do at critical power? Turn off? So you lose data?
[12:03] <sibaar> What would you have it do?
[12:03] <cyberalex4life> OerHeks, your's and the one for multiple users did the job for me (but never tested with multiple users). That is why I recommended it.
[12:05] <crooksey> Anyone able to help with vpnc problems? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2282919
[12:05] <cyberalex4life> OerHeks, the solution extra in the askubuntu link, may fix something
[12:05] <reddeath68> if someone is available id love help this problem has been driving me nuts for a week or better
[12:08] <sibaar> What does your laptop do at critical power? How does it deal with the lack of energy?
[12:09] <OerHeks> if i recall correctly, when power is low you can, power critical you cannot hybernate, that is all.
[12:11] <cyberalex4life> sibaar, mine hibernates with that workaround. By the way after the workaround you should go in "System Settings"->"Power" and see if hibernate is selected instead of "Power Off"
[12:14] <cyberalex4life> sibaar, if this doesn't work, it may be something from your hardware configuration, but you have one more ace to play: sudo apt-get install hibernate
[12:15] <cyberalex4life> sibaar, this worked when hibernating would not work in UbuntuGnome 14.04. But it boots slower
[12:16] <reddeath68> so can someone help me fix my problems
[12:19] <zack_s_> why can I not install openssh-server?
[12:19] <zack_s_> like described here: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/SSH
[12:19] <Ludwig> Hi ; does anyone know why this documentation for Openstack Ubuntu sais that we need 2 disks on each machine ? http://www.ubuntu.com/download/cloud/install-ubuntu-openstack
[12:21] <zack_s_> "Package openssh-server is not available, but is referred to by another package"
[12:22] <iri> I've just installed xubuntu 15.04, but when I log in graphically, I get a blank screen. I end up having to start xfce4-session manually. I'm having trouble finding relevant bugs.
[12:22] <OerHeks> Ludwig, i think it is required by MAAS
[12:23] <iri> My ~/.xsession-errors contains "openConnection: connect: No such file or directory", "cannot connect to brltty at :0" and loads of "upstart: upstart-event-bridgge main process (pid) terminated with status 1" followed by "It's respawning too fast, stopped"
[12:23] <EriC^> !info openssh-server
[12:23] <iri> but that doesn't look like a reason that my login screen would be blank
[12:24] <Ludwig> OerHeks : thanks, but do you know any documentation on this ? (....as I don't see anything due to disks in the MAAS GUI )
[12:24] <cyberalex4life> zack_s_, have you tried with synaptic if on unity?
[12:24] <zack_s_> EriC^: so what should I do (ububtu server 14.04.2)?
[12:25] <EriC^> sudo apt-get install openssh-server isn't working?
[12:25] <zack_s_> EriC^: yes
[12:25] <zack_s_> I am on a vmware
[12:25] <OerHeks> Ludwig, see step 6 : at least 5 machines with more than one disk, gave me a clue
[12:25] <EriC^> !info openssh-server trusty
[12:25] <reddeath68> when I get an error the report labelsit as a kernel oops and mentions the cause being a page error of some sort any ideas?
[12:26] <zack_s_> but I could update with: "sudo apt-get update"
[12:26] <EriC^> !find openssh
[12:26] <iri> also, every time I login by start xfce4-session in my blank xorg, I get prompted to authenticate for action org.freedesktop.accounts.change-own-user-data - does anyone know what that's about?
[12:26] <cyberalex4life> !find openssh
[12:26] <OerHeks> zack_s_, so it is a vmware problem, not bridged network?
[12:27] <alket> im having a problem with apt-get in my work computer https://paste.kde.org/pxj7wk4kl , please help , thanks
[12:28] <cyberalex4life> alket, and how much of your disk is free?
[12:28] <vemacs> alket, please pastebin output of df -h
[12:28] <cruftbunny> hey everyone!
[12:28] <zack_s_> OerHeks: so you guess my internet connection is not working?
[12:28] <zack_s_> what can I do to check?
[12:29] <OerHeks> zack_s_, can you ping google.com ?
[12:29] <alket> cyberalex4life: vemacs https://paste.kde.org/pqt7o8tbc
[12:29] <cruftbunny> would any kind soul be willing to help me with an upgrade problem? I think I really screwed the pooch on this one
[12:29] <cedian_linux> Got a black screen when launching unity 8
[12:29] <vemacs> alket, uname -a output please
[12:29] <vemacs> then please pastebin output of ls /boot
[12:29] <zack_s_> OerHeks: yes
[12:29] <alket> vemacs: Linux alket-aab 3.13.0-53-generic #89-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 20 10:34:39 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:29] <vemacs> i'm going to suggest that you delete some old kernels manually
[12:30] <vemacs> ls /boot so we know what to mv
[12:30] <alket> vemacs: https://paste.kde.org/p5x9kotha
[12:30] <cyberalex4life> zack_s_, /boot if full...
[12:30] <zack_s_> cyberalex4life: what?
[12:30] <vemacs> can you make a directory in ~
[12:30] <vemacs> called oldkernels
[12:30] <vemacs> mkdir ~/oldkernels
[12:30] <reddeath68> can someone help me with my problem running ubuntu 14.04.2 constant and random program crashes computer crashes/freezes (sysrq +r does allow keyboard usage but monitors dont update)
[12:31] <vemacs> then run
[12:31] <cyberalex4life> zack_s_, you have a /boot partition which is ocpupied 100%
[12:31] <OerHeks> reddeath68, do a memtest86, from the grubmenu
[12:31] <vemacs> for f in vmlinuz-3.13.0-{48..52}; do mv /boot/$f-generic ~/oldkernels; done
[12:31] <vemacs> alket, ^
[12:31] <vemacs> basically we're moving your not-running old kernels to a temp dir
[12:32] <reddeath68> OerHeks, anything specific I am looking for during the test?
[12:32] <zack_s_> OerHeks: what should I do?
[12:32] <vemacs> after that alket, please pastebin ls /boot again
[12:32] <OerHeks> reddeath68, if you got bad ram, you will notice.
[12:32] <alket> vemacs: it needs root
[12:32] <vemacs> alket, add sudo in front of mv
[12:32] <vemacs> and change ~ to ~yourusername
[12:33] <vemacs> so like
[12:33] <vemacs> for f in vmlinuz-3.13.0-{48..52}; do sudo mv /boot/$f-generic ~alket/oldkernels; done
[12:33] <alket> vemacs: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'
[12:33] <vemacs> hmm
[12:33] <vemacs> for f in {48..52}; do sudo mv /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-$f-generic ~alket/oldkernels; done
[12:33] <vemacs> does that work?
[12:33] <cruftbunny> OerHeks: sorry to bug you, but I have a failed upgrade (14.04 to 14.10) and I'm getting some really worrisome error messages. any chance you could help me out?
[12:33] <cyberalex4life> alket, sudo for f in vmlinuz-3.13.0-{48..52}; do mv /boot/$f-generic /home/$USER/oldkernels; done
[12:34] <reddeath68> OerHeks, i hope I dont have bad ram just upgraded it a few months ago but problems started after a mix of fglrx install and accidently enabling unsupported updates under software and updates
[12:34] <alket> vemacs: same error :s
[12:34] <vemacs> hmm
[12:34] <vemacs> works on my shell
[12:34] <vemacs> for f in {48..52}; do echo /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-$f-generic; done
[12:34] <vemacs> output of that
[12:35] <vemacs> that just echoes the thing, doesn't do anything
[12:35] <vemacs> need to see if your shell is wonky
[12:35] <alket> vemacs: https://paste.kde.org/p60cgcu5p
[12:35] <OerHeks> zack_s_, found it, an ugly one, remove ssh-client > http://askubuntu.com/questions/504836/not-able-to-configure-ssh-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[12:36] <cyberalex4life> vemacs, in my case there's an error too
[12:36] <OerHeks> unsupported updates .. should have said that in the beginning, reddeath68
[12:36] <vemacs> for f in `for f in {48..52}; do echo /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-$f-generic; done`; do mv $f /home/$USER/oldkernels; done
[12:36] <vemacs> how about that
[12:36] <OerHeks> so what do you think now what could be a trouble?
[12:36] <vemacs> alket, ^
[12:36] <reddeath68> OerHeks, sorry so much text was hard to get a word in
[12:36] <vemacs> put the sudo in front of mv, forgot that again
[12:37] <OerHeks> with unsupported you mean proposed ?
[12:37] <reddeath68> OerHeks, well the graphics will randomly freeze screen and all and monitor wont update even after sysrq + r
[12:37] <zack_s_> OerHeks: I tryed it, I could remove the client
[12:38] <zack_s_> but not after update, I still cannot install it
[12:38] <alket> vemacs: same error :s
[12:38] <alket> can i remove them manually ?
[12:38] <reddeath68> OerHeks, also if im running firefox or wine they both randomly crash but never at exactly the same time
[12:38] <vemacs> yeah
[12:38] <vemacs> idk, this works on my shell
[12:38] <vemacs> for f in `for f in {48..52}; do echo /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-$f-generic; done`; do cp $f .; done
[12:38] <alket> these files right https://paste.kde.org/p60cgcu5p ?
[12:38] <vemacs> maybe it's something weird with mv
[12:38] <vemacs> yep
[12:38] <vemacs> basically everything before 53
[12:38] <vemacs> which is what you're currently running
[12:39] <vemacs> do not move 53
[12:39] <vemacs> that would be bad
[12:39] <alket> vemacs: when i do it without sudo it says that i don't heave permission to remove those files
[12:39] <alket> with sude , that error
[12:39] <vemacs> alket, do a sudo bash
[12:39] <vemacs> `sudo bash`
[12:39] <vemacs> then run that
[12:39] <vemacs> if you don't want to do it manually
[12:39] <alket> vemacs: ok removed :)
[12:39] <vemacs> okay
[12:39] <vemacs> now do a sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:40] <vemacs> paste output please
[12:40] <vemacs> actually, do a df -h first
[12:40] <reddeath68> OerHeks, is there some way to remove the updates that may have been installed by unsupported updates?
[12:40] <alket> vemacs: https://paste.kde.org/pflmyxavi
[12:40] <vemacs> hmm
[12:41] <vemacs> can you do a du -h /boot
[12:41] <vemacs> I mean, du -h boot/*
[12:42] <alket> vemacs: https://paste.kde.org/pyhq4ellc
[12:42] <vemacs> du -h boot/* please
[12:42] <zack_s_> I give up, openssh-server doesnt work with ubuntu
[12:43] <vemacs> should look something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11735198/
[12:43] <alket> vemacs: du: cannot access ‘boot/*’: No such file or directory
[12:43] <vemacs> I suck at this, du -h /boot/* please
[12:43] <alket> vemacs: https://paste.kde.org/phxxzsf0n
[12:44] <vemacs> alket, sudo mv /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-52-generic ~
[12:44] <alket> done
[12:44] <vemacs> df -h again
[12:44] <alket> vemacs: https://paste.kde.org/p7kvfygqg
[12:45] <vemacs> sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:45] <alket> vemacs: https://paste.kde.org/prjgyriwi
[12:45] <alket> vemacs: sorry this https://paste.kde.org/p3lzkjj7c
[12:46] <vemacs> alket, dpkg -l | grep linux-image-
[12:46] <bjrohan_> Hello all. I had been running 14.04 just fine, specifically my wifi. Yesterday I updated to 14.10 then 15.04, and now my wifi connection is horrible, it is extremely unreliable, When I first stat my machine it runs fine, then it's performance goes up and down, mostly dow
[12:47] <OerHeks> reddeath68, good question, i am not sure disabling them in sources menu is enough
[12:47] <bjrohan_> What can I check to see how to fix it
[12:47] <alket> vemacs: https://paste.kde.org/p7xfhgl07
[12:48] <bjrohan_> For instance, IRC used to be smooth, no I get blocks of conversations, then for minutes, nothing
[12:48] <vemacs> alket, do a sudo apt-get autoremove linux-image-3.13.0-32-generic linux-image-3.13.0-40-generic
[12:48] <vemacs> if it asks you to apt-get -f install again
[12:48] <vemacs> try that
[12:48] <vemacs> you should have enough space
[12:48] <cyberalex4life> bjrohan_, probably filing a bug
[12:49] <reddeath68> OerHeks, i did disable them I am just really hoping to avoid redoing the system again(just redid it like 1-2 months ago)
[12:50] <cruftbunny> so I just tried restarting my machine, and now I can't ubuntu to load
[12:51] <isomorphismes> k1l_: well, dist-upgrade didn't fix my problem
[12:51] <cruftbunny> *can't get ubuntu to load
[12:51] <alket> vemacs: thank you very veryyyy much :D
[12:52] <vemacs> alket, fixed?
[12:52] <vemacs> run a sudo apt-get autoremove last
[12:52] <vemacs> sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:52] <alket> im doing upgrade :s
[12:52] <k1l_> isomorphismes: what is it now exactly? please pastebin
[12:52] <vemacs> run the autoremove as soon as possible
[12:52] <cruftbunny> hey vemacs: would you be able to help me out? I just totally messed up my laptop
[12:52] <vemacs> cruftbunny, how so
[12:53] <alket> vemacs: many linux-headers... are being removed
[12:53] <cruftbunny> vemacs: thanks! so here's the situation:
[12:53] <vemacs> alket, good
[12:53] <alket> thansk again :D
[12:53] <vemacs> did the upgrade go smoothly?
[12:53] <cruftbunny> I was running an upgrade from 14.04 to 14.10, and encountered an error during the installation/configuration stage
[12:53] <alket> i interrupted to autoremove
[12:53] <vemacs> okay
[12:54] <cruftbunny> so I tried running update/autoremove the usual stuff
[12:54] <musique> oucou
[12:54] <cruftbunny> I removed old kernel images, which shouldn't have been the problem, since this is a brand new laptop
[12:54] <vemacs> cruftbunny, how did you upgrade
[12:54] <musique> salut les pingouin
[12:54] <vemacs> do-release-upgrade
[12:54] <vemacs> or via the GUI
[12:54] <cruftbunny> the GUI
[12:54] <vemacs> now it doesn't boot?
[12:55] <cruftbunny> nope
[12:55] <vemacs> hmm
[12:55] <vemacs> do you have a camera
[12:55] <cruftbunny> it is sitting at a busybox prompt saying "(initramfs) Unable to find a medium containing a live filesystem
[12:55] <cruftbunny> "
[12:55] <cruftbunny> yea
[12:55] <vemacs> that can't be busyboc
[12:55] <vemacs> busybox*
[12:55] <vemacs> if the kernel isn't loaded
[12:56] <vemacs> do you have any USB devices plugged in
[12:56] <cruftbunny> I do, I have a mouse
[12:56] <vemacs> anything in the disk drive
[12:56] <cruftbunny> I should unplug that yeah?
[12:56] <vemacs> shouldn't matter
[12:56] <cruftbunny> that's it
[12:56] <vemacs> mostly looking for flash drives/external hard drives
[12:56] <vemacs> just going for the obvious stuff
[12:56] <cruftbunny> nope. nothing
[12:56] <vemacs> I don't think you can revive your system exactly
[12:56] <vemacs> I think you might be able to rescue your files
[12:56] <vemacs> but like a broken upgrade is going to be incredibly hard to recover from
[12:57] <cruftbunny> that shouldn't really matter so much. it's brand new, I haven't migrated much to it
[12:57] <vemacs> okay, do you have an ubuntu disk or flash drive
[12:57] <vemacs> have you tried a clean reinstall?\
[12:57] <isomorphismes> k1l_: http://pastebin.com/YK5BKmwi
[12:57] <vemacs> wondering why you want to try continuing with the update
[12:58] <cruftbunny> you mean, upgrade at all? or salvage this immediate problem?
[12:58] <vemacs> salvage this immediate problem
[12:58] <vemacs> like, you're screwed, so
[12:58] <vemacs> you might be able to chroot from an external flash drive
[12:58] <vemacs> and install kernel images
[12:58] <vemacs> but i highly doubt that'll fix the system since the upgrade is halfway
[12:59] <cruftbunny> yeah that's fine. I'm happy to just reinstall
[12:59] <k1l_> isomorphismes: PPAs involved? or other 3rd party packages?
[12:59] <vemacs> so, have you tried reinstalling?
[12:59] <vemacs> or do you need your data off
[12:59] <cruftbunny> I don't really need the data
[12:59] <cruftbunny> nothing on there that isn't backed up
[12:59] <vemacs> so, i think your current install is screwed, just reinstall
[13:00] <vemacs> if you're still getting the same error
[13:00] <cruftbunny> alright thanks!
[13:00] <cruftbunny> any advice on how to avoid this in the future?
[13:00] <vemacs> make sure your laptop is booting from the flash drive
[13:00] <cruftbunny> I was thinking of just isntalling 15.04 (downloading the ISO right now)
[13:00] <vemacs> use do-release-upgrade, it'll help you resolve errors more easily
[13:00] <vemacs> LTS to LTS upgrades go much more smoothly
[13:00] <cruftbunny> any reason that should be a problem?
[13:00] <vemacs> try having everything updated before you do the upgrade
[13:00] <isomorphismes> k1l_: How would I check that?
[13:00] <vemacs> using sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:01] <k1l_> isomorphismes: "apt-cache policy mono-devel"
[13:01] <EriC^> also running do-release-upgrade in a screen session is probably good
[13:01] <EriC^> cruftbunny:
[13:01] <cruftbunny> thanks. I had updated beforehand
[13:01] <vemacs> i find do-release-upgrade much more reliable than the GUI solution
[13:01] <cruftbunny> eric^: that's a good idea
[13:01] <vemacs> the GUI exists on configuration merge prompts
[13:01] <vemacs> do-release-upgrade gives you an option
[13:01] <cruftbunny> vemacs: that makes sense
[13:01] <k1l_> isomorphismes: that is a 12.04 ubuntu?
[13:01] <cruftbunny> I'm still not sure where the error came from
[13:02] <cruftbunny> everything was up to date
[13:03] <isomorphismes> k1l_: Maybe that is the problem. http://pastebin.com/6CeSvrep | http://pastebin.com/ve2U13C1
[13:03] <isomorphismes> k1l_: Yep 12.04
[13:04] <k1l_> isomorphismes: yes. it requires depencies that doesnt get satisfied on the ubuntu
[13:04] <vemacs> alket, anyways, assuming your upgrade and autoremove went well
[13:04] <vemacs> feel free to delete the oldkernels directories
[13:04] <vemacs> after rebooting once
[13:05] <KlausedSource> hello, is there a way to modify apt so that it shows which version of a package is going to be installed when issuing apt-get install?
[13:05] <KlausedSource> like when i go "apt-get install php5" it would say something like "installing php5.6-3"
[13:05] <TJ-> KlausedSource: "--simulate"
[13:06] <reddeath68> OerHeks, I have my update log will that help with trying to fix my problem?
[13:06] <alket> vemacs: it just finished, went smooth as usual, thanks :)
[13:06] <isomorphismes> k1l_: Thanks for that policy command. So .. let me see if I have this straight. Pangolin's mono-devel in the repo is too old for Xamarin's thing to work with it -- so I need to kill all of the mono-devel stuff (using synaptic or apt-get or aptitude) ..
[13:06] <k1l_> KlausedSource: you can ask that with apt-cache policy <package>
[13:06] <TJ-> KlausedSource: Or possibly "--verbose-versions"
[13:06] <k1l_> KlausedSource: or with apt-cache show <package>
[13:06] <cruftbunny> vemacs: thanks again for your help! I really appreciate it. I'm creating a startup disk now (with 15.04) and I'm going to install that. cross your fingers
[13:06] <k1l_> KlausedSource: if you only want to install one packge there is no prompt if you want to install it with apt-get install
[13:07] <isomorphismes> k1l_: ..and then it's the 3rd party's job to give me all of what I need if I build from thir source, and Pangolin's libraries shouldn't get in the way? Or they might make some assumptions about Ubuntu providing some of the C# libraries?
[13:07] <cruftbunny> vemacs: in fact, cross your fingers, arms, toes and eyes just to be safe :)
[13:07] <vemacs> side note, i generally just avoid upgrading in general lol
[13:08] <vemacs> the only upgrades i've had 0 issues with are lts-to-lts-upgrades
[13:08] <vemacs> just did a 12.04-14.04 upgrade on a server two days ago
[13:08] <KlausedSource> TJ, k1l_ well --verbose-versions is looking good. i guess --simulate will work for single package too
[13:08] <KlausedSource> thanks you both
[13:08] <cruftbunny> haha I'll keep that in mind
[13:08] <k1l_> isomorphismes: kind of right. but you included the repos for "debian wheezy" and "debian beta" which seem to want another versions of the depencies which 12.04 cant fullfill and the 3rd party repo from xamarin doesnt ship.
[13:09] <cruftbunny> I'm sorta surprised. given that this is a brand new machine with very little cruft on it, you'd think it would have been fine
[13:09] <k1l_> isomorphismes: so either you get a working 12.04 repo from xamarin, which ships everything that mono wants, or you use the 12.04 original one.
[13:10] <k1l_> isomorphismes: or you make an own package with all the depencies (compile it). or get a setup that works without the package system at all.
[13:12] <k1l_> isomorphismes: their install page names another repo that is needed for the old ubuntu releases like 12.04 http://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/install/linux/
[13:13] <isomorphismes> k1l_: oh awesome
[13:13] <crocket> Why does 'apt-cache show' give precedence to official repositories over ppa?
[13:14] <k1l_> isomorphismes: but i dont know if it works then. please talk to the mono guys then
[13:14] <linux> hello
[13:14] <linux> how are you
[13:14] <crocket> I want to inspect ppa packages with 'apt-cache show'
[13:14] <k1l_> crocket: can you show a apt-cache show and apt-cache policy in a pastebin?
[13:14] <isomorphismes> k1l_: yeah there are a couple sets of directions and I have probably tried 5 different ways without necessarily undoing the previous one
[13:15] <linux> to day is first day of ramadhan
[13:16] <mcphail> linux: is this going to be an Ubuntu support question?
[13:16] <alket> lol
[13:17] <linux> yes mcphail
[13:17] <mcphail> linux: good. Please ask your question and we'll try to answer
[13:17] <linux> ok
[13:17] <linux> where did live
[13:17] <crocket> k1l_, http://dpaste.com/19GSJHC
[13:17] <linux> mis mc phail
[13:18] <crocket> According to http://dpaste.com/19GSJHC , torbrowser-launcher 0.2.0 was installed, but 'apt-cache show torbrowser-launcher' shows information for torbrowser-launcher 0.1.9.
[13:19] <crocket> I want to see information on torbrowser-launcher 0.2.0
[13:19] <k1l_> crocket: see line 19: Version: 0.2.0.1-1
[13:20] <crocket> k1l_, Oh, I was fooled by the second package reported by apt-cache show.
[13:20] <k1l_> crocket: yes, happens sometimes :)
[13:23] <isomorphismes> k1l_: http://pastie.org/10246948
[13:25] <isomorphismes> k1l_: https://gitter.im/mono/monodevelop?at=557bc01df1cd32e97eca3c4f "Mono: talk to Ubuntu; Ubuntu: talk to Mono"
[13:26] <alket> vemacs: i rebooted, now my display is 1024x768 , the max :s
[13:27] <vemacs> alket, i doubt it was related to kernel removal
[13:27] <vemacs> what gpu
[13:27] <k1l_> isomorphismes: i dont know how to solve that on the old ubuntu 12.04. i am not a mono guy
[13:27] <alket> vemacs: i use xorg edgers ppa
[13:27] <isomorphismes> k1l_: so you think it's a 12.04 issue for sure? how can you tell?
[13:31] <k1l_> isomorphismes: 12.04 is form 2012. that is 3 years old. and the packages dont get updates to new version numbers. so if you want to put a mono 5.0 in there you need to update a lot of other packages that mono 5.0 wants to be updated. ubuntu will not provide that updated packages. so the xamarin guys need to ship them in their PPA.
[13:31] <k1l_> isomorphismes: so its not an ubuntu issue. its a "xamarin doesnt ship all new packages you need" issue.
[13:33] <isomorphismes> k1l_: ok thanks. so let me see again if I'm following. I need to remove Pangolin's C# libraries and install maybe some new C# and GTK# etc sources? Find whatever the dependencies are myself and build them from source?
[13:33] <Guest9610> Hey guys, I would like a way to highlight the currently selected window on the taskbar with mate. I am using ubuntu mate 15.04 with the redmond layout. I would like an effect similar to the change in color when I put the mouse over the taskbar, it gets a bit green the selected item.
[13:35] <k1l_> isomorphismes: i dont know the details. but xamarin doesnt ship all you need. so ask them first if they can make it work with 12.04 on their side.
[13:36] <Guest9610> ... I am asking because it is hard to know the current window if I have more than three of four windows open, especially when I have an application open more than once. I have to rely on what the text is saying which isn't that comfy.
[13:37] <isomorphismes> k1l_: ok. So I should see if one of their PPA's can cover it for me rather than get the sources myself?
[13:37] <regedit> TJ-: heya!
[13:37] <isomorphismes> k1l_: thanks for your help, I just can't fully understand what you know and how you're getting to the conclusions you are from the pastes I sent.
[13:37] <isomorphismes> which is why I keep trying to make sure I'm following you
[13:38] <k1l_> isomorphismes: stop blindly putting any PPA in your system. if you include the rong ones that will just make more mess.
[13:38] <isomorphismes> k1l_: I don't know how to do it other than blind.
[13:38] <k1l_> isomorphismes: the page i linked you name one PPA and one additional PPA if you are on 12.04. make sure you got that both and only that both.
[13:39] <k1l_> isomorphismes: "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d/"
[13:41] <regedit> Jordan_U: hello, you there?
[13:42] <TJ-> regedit: Hey ... how's it going?
[13:42] <Guest9610> I will AFK for 15 mins
[13:42] <isomorphismes> k1l_: Thanks. https://dpaste.de/isE4 ←So it's maybe the problem that I have both beta and non-beta in there?
[13:43] <isomorphismes> https://dpaste.de/isE4#L26,27,28,29,30,31
[13:43] <k1l_> isomorphismes: holy moly. that is a lot PPAs. and even several different mono ones, line 21 and 22, too.
[13:43] <Johnny_Linux> D`oh!
[13:44] <isomorphismes> Is it? It's just stuff like node, flash, google chrome, Haskell, ...
[13:44] <isomorphismes> Ubuntu has really old packages, so ..
[13:44] <k1l_> isomorphismes: ubuntu got new packages, but you use a old ubuntu version :)
[13:45] <ratmav> hey, i'm listening for udp traffic on a specific port, and i can see traffic that is heading to another ip. should i be able to do that?
[13:45] <ratmav> using tcpdump on two separate vms (different hypervisors)
[13:45] <isomorphismes> k1l_: Supposedly valid until 2017
[13:45] <k1l_> isomorphismes: yes. but dont complain about old packages then :)
[13:46] <isomorphismes> k1l_: Ubuntu will never have correct versions for the stuff I really need (R, latex) but switching to Arch would bring a whole 'nother suite of problems.
[13:46] <k1l_> isomorphismes: you are running a OS from 2012. (that is 3 years old) that is fine. but dont expect packages from 2015 to be put in there back in 2012.
[13:47] <isomorphismes> k1l_: They were certainly not current in 2012 either
[13:47] <k1l_> isomorphismes: so make sure you got the right xamarin PPAs and that other PPAs dont interfer there.
[13:48] <isomorphismes> "complaining" about free software doesn't make sense anyway. But on the other hand Mono developers want people to use Mono and Ubuntu developers want people to use Ubuntu. This is facilitated if things just work.
[13:48] <isomorphismes> k1l_: ok thanks. So maybe I need to go into /etc/apt/sources.list and delete some lines?
[13:49] <k1l_> dont blindly delete. that blindly did bring you into that situation you are now.
[13:49] <OerHeks> isomorphismes use ppa-purge to remove ppa's
[13:49] <isomorphismes> k1l_: Are you able to tell from like apt-get show if they're interfering somehow?
[13:49] <k1l_> get a clue what PPAs you want (they are on the official xamarin page i linked you) and make sure you got them and other mono PPAs dont interfer there
[13:49] <OerHeks> and hope this ppa-mess will survive it :-D
[13:50] <isomorphismes> Without a specific instruction I am definitely blind.
[13:50] <k1l_> !ppa-purge | isomorphismes use that to remove a PPA
[13:52] <isomorphismes> k1l_: OerHeks I should kill the beta one?
[13:54] <isomorphismes> What does the ppa-purge command do that like commenting out the line in /etc/apt/sources.list would not do?
[13:54] <k1l_> isomorphismes: look at the official page what PPAs you need and make sure to have that 2.
[13:54] <OerHeks> Yes, i would remove the beta one. ppapurge rolls back too, to the original packages
[13:54] <k1l_> isomorphismes: i hope you dont have put anything 3rd party stuff into your sources.list file.
[13:55] <isomorphismes> OerHeks: What do you mean "roll back"?
[13:55] <k1l_> isomorphismes: and /etc/apt/sources.list.d is a folder.
[13:55] <OerHeks> isomorphismes, if the installed ppa packages stay, then future updates will go wrong.
[13:56] <isomorphismes> I put the LLVM toolchain into my sources.list
[13:56] <isomorphismes> *unrelated but it's 3rd party in that file
[13:56] <isomorphismes> QGIS as well
[13:57] <k1l_> the more you put 3rd party stuff into your system the less you can blame ubuntu for crashing.
[13:59] <OerHeks> well that mono error must come from one of the 3 ppa's
[14:00] <isomorphismes> k1l_: we're not talking about random people here
[14:01] <isomorphismes> OerHeks: ok right
[14:04] <helo> a few months ago, on 14.04, i noticed every second or so my mouse cursor would skip, typing would skip, and any video playing would skip
[14:04] <helo> Xorg cpu usage stays between 20-30% if nothing is running
[14:04] <helo> it appears to even do that in lightdm with no user logged in
[14:04] <helo> nvidia 8400gs video card
[14:05] <helo> i reinstalled 15.04, and everything was back to being smooth
[14:05] <helo> everything was fine yesterday, but today (i leave my machine on, so it wasn't a new boot) the skipping behavior is back
[14:06] <TJ-> helo: first thing is to inspect the kernel log for any clues: "/var/log/kern.log"
[14:06] <mcphail> helo: anything important in dmesg? Failing hard drives etc?
[14:07] <helo> TJ-: did that, nothing at all
[14:08] <helo> nothing in kern.log, dmesg output, Xorg.0.log
[14:08] <mcphail> cpu temps?
[14:08] <helo> by "nothing", i mean nothing after 19 seconds from boot. just normal startup messages
[14:08] <bstarek> check system monitor and see what processes are eating your cpu
[14:09] <helo> 29-32
[14:09] <helo> running atop, it's just Xorg using ~20% of my cpu
[14:09] <Johnny_Linux> drivers
[14:09] <helo> yeah... probably nvidia driver
[14:09] <Johnny_Linux> itl make your card run hot too
[14:09] <mcphail> helo: have you tried setting the nvidia driver to "prefer maximum performance"?
[14:09] <bstarek> you sure you are using the correct driverS?
[14:10] <helo> same drivers i've been using since i installed. has worked for 2.5 months, and now identical skipping behavior with 14.04 suddenly returned overnight :/
[14:10] <Johnny_Linux> ofr nvidia 8 series, prolly need older driver
[14:10] <Johnny_Linux> for
[14:11] <helo> i gave up trying to fix it last time and just reinstalled
[14:11] <helo> let me look up the recommended version
[14:13] <isomorphismes> OerHeks: sudo ppa-purge ppa:mono/xamarin-beta # is apparently the wrong format. Looking at http://askubuntu.com/a/91660/12518 for the syntax.
[14:22] <unknown_user> Hello there, how are you?
[14:23] <reisio> fine, and you?
[14:23] <unknown_user> reisio: Fine, too.
[14:23] <reisio> noyce
[14:25] <helo> i'm running the recommended driver (340.76)
[14:27] <OerHeks> isomorphismes, ugly, not sure ppa-purge can handle this way of adding sources http://www.mono-project.com/docs/getting-started/install/linux/
[14:27] <helo> if i switch to console, xorg cpu usage drops off, but kworker uses ~10%
[14:27] <gagalicious> is there a way i can pxe boot into a previously used state of a linux desktop? e.g. my client desktop is connected to a pxe boot server... if my power is cut from my client... after power is restored, the pxe will boot into my previous state of desktop from the server. is there anything like that in the wild?
[14:27] <helo> if i kill lightdm so X isn't running at all, kworker settles down and the system seems to be back to normal responsiveness
[14:30] <isomorphismes> OerHeks: I deleted the folder in sources.list.d, do you think that's ok?
[14:31] <isomorphismes> ah cool, looks like it started. Thank you so much OerHeks and k1l_ for spotting my error.
[14:31] <isomorphismes> It was probably that I had added the beta Xamarin as well as the stable (don't know why I did that .. week and a half ago .. etc etc)
[14:31] <isomorphismes> I feel like I've learned a lot thanks OerHeks k1l_
[14:33] <aps> EriC^: are you around?
[14:37] <MagePsycho> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2)
[14:39] <purefan> is this the right channel for ubuntu server questions?
[14:39] <k1l_> purefan: this or #ubuntu-server
[14:39] <purefan> k1l_:thanks
[14:41] <purefan> I wrote a small bash script, it collects stats from mysql into a flat file using a flat file to read the password to log in to mysql. I want to package it into a .deb file but dont want to ask the user to store the db password in a flat file, is there a way around this?
[14:42] <pbx> purefan, environment variables are another common tactic. it's still gonna be on disk though
[14:46] <mcphail> purefan: does the user run the script manually?
[14:46] <purefan> pbx: Thanks. Since the script is meant to be run by crontab and as root, would I be correct in assuming that a flat file owned by root with least privileges would be relatively safe?
[14:46] <mcphail> aah - that answers it :)
[14:47] <helo> i replaced the 8400gs with a gt740, and it's running smooth again
[14:47] <helo> wtf....
[14:47] <purefan> mcphail: Nope, its a crontab process. The output of the file is stored in a flat file with each line in the format: <date>|<slow-queries-count>|<average-queries-per-second>
[14:47] <purefan> Another program may plot that into a graph or monitor it to send an alert or something --> yet to be defined
[14:48] <mcphail> purefan: create a new user, and store the password file so it is only readable for that user. I wouldn't use root for a script like this: gives your shell script too many priveleges
[14:49] <mcphail> purefan: any coding error can be catastrophic
[14:49] <purefan> mcphail: Agreed! I will take that route :) thanks
[14:50] <mcphail> purefan: there might be a better way, though...
[14:50] <freeone3000> After switching users, it seems like GNOME applications no longer recognize my keyboard. KDE applications work fine, GTK+ applications that don't use GNOME work fine. What could cause this?
[14:51] <mcphail> purefan: IIRC, debian/ubuntu sets up special database users and scripts to do routine tasks. I think you can configure them to do extra tasks such as this
[14:51] <Johnny_Linux> helo , from owning a couple 8 series cards, i often had to change drivers to get them to work, but, if the 740 is working, leave it.
[14:52] <Johnny_Linux> un;unless the card is breaking down.
[14:53] <helo> my machine is quieter with this card too... win/win :)
[14:53] <Johnny_Linux> keep it cool, remember, heat kills
[14:53] <pbx> purefan, i agree with mcphail. only-root-readable makes sense for system things like wifi passwords but not so much for this
[14:54] <Johnny_Linux> and dont over clock it
[14:54] <purefan> mcphail: Sounds like what I need! is this what you were talking about https://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase/
[14:54] <helo> i've never even used it to play games... just a workstation
[14:54] <Johnny_Linux> nice
[14:54] <helo> the GPU hasn't seen any real action. the fan still may have worn out over the last few years
[14:54] <Johnny_Linux> most likely
[14:54] <helo> it wasn't running really hot, but a few degrees warmer than this one is
[14:55] <mcphail> purefan: don't think that is it. Hunting through this old debian box just now...
[14:55] <Johnny_Linux> what kind of mobo is it
[14:55] <purefan> mcphail: Thanks!
[14:56] <helo> i wouldn't think 32C would be even a bit of a problem... oh well whatever, computers are flaky -.-
[14:57] <Turnip_Green> Are there any known problems with USB support in 15.04? After I installed the 64 bit variant all my 2.0 USB ports stopped working.
[14:58] <freeone3000> Okay, setting the IME from IBus to None fixed my keyboard problems after restarting the problematic applications.
[15:00] <Turnip_Green> freeon3000 is your comment in response to mine?
[15:00] <mcphail> purefan: all I can find just now is the dbconfig stuff, and I don't think that's what I was remembering
[15:01] <purefan> mcphail: Thats alright :) Thanks for trying though!. Do you think an embedded sqlite db would be better?
[15:02] <purefan> mcphail: But dbconfig looks pretty good "provides debian packagers with an easy, reliable, and consistent method for managing databases used by debian packages." -https://people.debian.org/~seanius/policy/dbconfig-common.html/
[15:02] <freeone3000> Turnip_Green: Nope.
[15:03] <freeone3000> Turnip_Green: My problem is with applications not recognizing typing events, such as web browsers.
[15:03] <Turnip_Green> I see. Carry on then.
[15:04] <mcphail> purefan: dbconfig is used to setup default users/tables etc when a package like drupal is installed. It uses the special debian database users to do that, but I seem to remember they can also be subverted to your own ends for regular database dumps etc
[15:05] <freeone3000> Okay, nevermind, not fixed. Now works in browsers, but still can't input text into entry fields.
[15:05] <purefan> mcphail: Definitely bookmarking this. Thanks a lot! :)
[15:06] <mcphail> if your application only has one process accessing it at any time, sqlite might be simpler all round
[15:09] <jak2000> hi all
[15:09] <akxwi-dave> howdo
[15:09] <jak2000> if i mount a windows share: sudo mount -t cifs //132.1.5.240/Sistemas /mnt/share/svr242/ -o username=administrador,password=Jmasc3186 how to unmount?
[15:10] <freeone3000> jak2000: That'd be sudo umount /mnt/share/svr242
[15:10] <k1l> jak2000: sudo umount /mnt/share/svr242/
[15:11] <EriC^> jak2000: i'd change the pass dude
[15:11] <sibaar> How do you list channels on a server?
[15:13] <jak2000> worked, thanks freeone3000, k1l, EriC^, other question how to ask if is mounted? for proceed to umount ?
[15:13] <EriC^> jak2000: type df
[15:13] <reisio> sibaar: on _this_ server: /msg alis list *foo*bar*
[15:13] <reisio> sibaar: elsewhere, you can try /list, but you'll hate it
[15:14] <sibaar> But it won't work here?
[15:14] <k1l> jak2000: "mount" shows all mounte
[15:14] <OerHeks> sibaar on xchat there is a server menu
[15:14] <freeone3000> jak2000: If it's not mounted, and you want it unmounted, issue the umount command. It will fail if it's unmounted.
[15:14] <reisio> sibaar: it will, but alis is much better, here
[15:14] <nzk> Hey guys. I was banned about 10 years ago from this channel and was wondering if the ban can be forgotten?
[15:14] <nzk> I did the mods command by accident and that's the reason for the ban.
[15:14] <sibaar> HELP
[15:15] <OerHeks> nzk, not a question for this channel, join #ubuntu-ops
[15:15] <cfhowlett> nzk, you're here now, so obviously not banned.
[15:15] <EriC^> sibaar: listing all channels will take forever
[15:15] <jak2000> i want write a script, and ask comething: if (mounted /mnt/share/svr242) then sudo umount /mnt/share/svr242/
[15:15] <BluesKaj> nzk, 10 yr bans don't exist afaik
[15:15] <EriC^> sibaar: if you're searching for a channel you can use
[15:15] <EriC^> !alis
[15:15] <sibaar> There are that many?
[15:15] <sibaar> !alis
[15:16] <EriC^> sibaar: 59452 :channels formed
[15:16] <freeone3000> jak2000: Trying to umount without checking is one way to do this.
[15:16] <sibaar> Oh dear.
[15:16] <sibaar> that's a lot.
[15:16] <mistralol> in sles man pages. When you request a man page it will prompt for which section you want to read. How can I enable this in ubuntu?
[15:16] <EriC^> sibaar: do /msg alis list *something*
[15:16] <sibaar> Is a private channel possible? One that requires a password? I've been trying it but I can still connect without the key.
[15:17] <reisio> echo in here...
[15:17] <reisio> sibaar: yeah, invite only
[15:17] <reisio> talk to #freenode
[15:17] <sibaar> Invite from the server? Like this chatroom/stream/irc?
[15:17] <reisio> talk to #freenode
[15:18] <reisio> https://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[15:20] <freeone3000> I'm having this problem where I cannot input text into any text field in a web browser. This is problematic. I also can't type into System Settings, or most other GNOME applictions. GTK+ applications, KDE applications are fine. I'm using Unity. I seem to get "IBUS Warning: Too many events in queue!" However, ibus isn't running.
[15:20] <freeone3000> How can I remove the scourge of ibus from my system?
[15:21] <pbx> freeone3000, have you installed all available updates and restarted?
[15:21] <mcphail> freeone3000: what version of ubuntu?
[15:22] <aitor> buenas, quisiera saber como desistalo el paquete de "audio production" en ubuntu studio
[15:22] <freeone3000> mcphail: 14.04 LTS.
[15:22] <freeone3000> pbx: Yes, that's what got me into this mess.
[15:23] <aitor> and uninstall the "audio production" on ubuntu studio package?
[15:24] <cfhowlett> !es | aitor
[15:25] <freeone3000> I've tried disabling ibus from keyboard input, but that doesn't help - it still uses ibus, somehow.
[15:26] <mcphail> freeone3000: hmm - I think 14.04 fixed any ibus problems I'd previously experienced...
[15:27] <mcphail> freeone3000: does "im-config -l" show anything on 14.04?
[15:27] <freeone3000> mcphail: ibus xim
[15:27] <mcphail> freeone3000: try running "im-config -n xim"
[15:28] <freeone3000> mcphail: Okay, now what?
[15:28] <mcphail> freeone3000: try your apps
[15:29] <freeone3000> mcphail: New errors. "(google-chrome:12173): IBUS-WARNING **: Unable to connect to ibus: Could not connect: Connection refused" followed by "[12173:12173:0618/112911:ERROR:CONSOLE(70)] "Uncaught Error: Attempting to use a disconnected port object", source: extensions::messaging (70)"
[15:29] <freeone3000> mcphail: No futher errors. Typing does not work.
[15:30] <mcphail> freeone3000: just chrome, or the other apps as well?
[15:30] <freeone3000> mcphail: Chrome, Opera, System Settings, File Manager break. Chrome is the one that reports the errors, the rest fail silently.
[15:31] <mcphail> freeone3000: aargh. Do you use different input methods/keyboards etc?
[15:32] <freeone3000> mcphail: No. I have a Lenovo E531 keyboard, connected through USB, uses US-English layout, does not have a compose key, does not have alternate layouts, acts as US-104 key.
[15:32] <kokut> hello, anyone knows if upgrading to SSD is worth it in ubuntu atm?
[15:32] <freeone3000> kokut: Yes.
[15:32] <mcphail> freeone3000: and what were you doing when it broke?
[15:32] <cfhowlett> kokut, no complaints. ssd is well supported
[15:32] <freeone3000> mcphail: I had installed the latest system update to 14.04 and restarted. This broke my entire user, so I made a new one. Then this started.
[15:33] <kokut> cfhowlett: well supported as in huge performance improvement or just working like a normal HD?
[15:33] <freeone3000> mcphail: I was running 14.04 previously, I'm still running 14.04 as best I can tell, but a ton of stuff broke and I'm unable to differentiate.
[15:33] <cfhowlett> kokut, superior to hdd performance
[15:33] <mcphail> freeone3000: In that case, I suspect something deeper is fundamentally broken
[15:34] <freeone3000> mcphail: Like what? Ubuntu?
[15:34] <mcphail> freeone3000: users shouldn't "break" on Ubuntu. What was broken?
[15:36] <freeone3000> mcphail: When logging in, screen output froze in a non-standard pattern. (I have two monitors. What usually happens is primary works, secondary mirrors primary on the left side, right side is full of screen garbage when logging in. For this user, it switches to mirroring on the LEFT side, right side is full of blackness) This then froze - mouse input worked, but I couldn't use my keyboard, and the launcher or desktop icons never showed up.
[15:36] <kokut> cfhowlett: superior as in holy sh** this is blowing my face off** or just, "it loaded faster"?
[15:36] <jak2000> in a script i have this line: gzip /home/jmas/ftp/cc.sql why ask me if i want overwriten(gzip: /home/jmas/ftp/cc.sql.gz already exists; do you wish to overwrite ) how to force overwritten without asking me? thanks
[15:36] <freeone3000> kokut: It's a hard drive. It ain't the second coming of jesus. You're going to get read speeds of 6Gbit, write speeds of 4-6Gbit, and seek times so small they literally cannot be measured.
[15:37] <freeone3000> kokut: However, it's not going to be some magical system upgrade, any more than more RAM was. Your stuff will load faster. Significantly faster. But that's pretty much it.
[15:37] <cfhowlett> kokut, someone somewhere no doubt has the official comparisons. I only report that I've observed that booting up and finding files is subjectively faster.
[15:38] <kokut> you know how many years i've been waiting to have my first SSD?!?!
[15:38] <cfhowlett> of course, my iitial machine was a 2009, 4gb 50
[15:38] <cfhowlett> kokut, so go for it. they're cheap now
[15:38] <kokut> now i have it right here, and i'm wondering if ubuntu is worthy of it
[15:38] <freeone3000> kokut: Yes.
[15:38] <k1l> kokut: ssd is a huge perfomance gain
[15:38] <OerHeks> kokut not the read/write times are huge difference, the 0 sec accestime is a huge jump
[15:38] <freeone3000> mcphail: I then created another user. Current procedure is to log in as the secondary user, mount the primary user's hard drive -o bind, then proceed to use system as normal. Which works, except my keyboard's screwy.
[15:39] <k1l> kokut: if you dont believe it just try it yourself
[15:39] <mcphail> freeone3000: that all sounds _very_ nasty
[15:39] <kokut> okay ill install ubuntu on it then i guess :3
[15:39] <freeone3000> mcphail: Well, nobody's got a clue what's wrong.
[15:39] <mcphail> freeone3000: something got badly borked in all of that. Are you running PPAs?
[15:39] <OerHeks> kokut, dont do that, as you don't want to go back ;-D
[15:40] <Fossfile> have a minor issue with Lubuntu, some help will be appreciated: I've installed twice in vmware: once into a real USB drive and the second time to a vmware hard drive. in both installations the system didn't accept the root password that was set during setup (as I'm required to type it for example with sudo/synaptic). It was easily fixable in the USB drive installation
[15:40] <freeone3000> mcphail: openprinting.org is my only non-Canonical PPA.
[15:40] <Fossfile> by simply booting to recovery mode, mounting / as rw and resetting password. with the installation on a hard drive however, for some reason this fix isn't working.
[15:40] <kokut> OerHeks: thats exactly what i'm looking for
[15:41] <freeone3000> mcphail: I have several .debs from third-party sources (hipchat, dropbox, keepass), but none as a PPA.
[15:42] <mcphail> freeone3000: I don't think I'll be able to guide you to repair your system. I admire you for sticking with it
[15:42] <akxwi-dave> SSD's are well worth it, I have Xubuntu 15.04 installed on a ssd on Lenovo E530 Thinkpad.. once the machine has gone past post, less than 2 to get login
[15:42] <freeone3000> mcphail: What's my other option?
[15:42] <freeone3000> Windows, which works reliably without complaint?
[15:50] <freeone3000> mcphail: Removing ibus and all ibus-* packages managed to get me text input. Applications sitll complain about its absence, and I had to switch from unity to gnome settings managers, but aptitude handled it clean and things seem to work.
[15:51] <freeone3000> Also had to relog, which may or may not be relevant.
[15:51] <queszinon> how can i look at linux debug in raw format?
[15:51] <freeone3000> queszinon: dmesg
[16:11] <ablest1980> hello i need some help im getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/11736092/
[16:11] <ablest1980> ^
[16:12] <auronandace> ablest1980: have you tried that?
[16:12] <k1l> ablest1980: please pastebin "dpkg -l | grep linux-image"
[16:13] <ablest1980> yes
[16:13] <ablest1980> ok
[16:15] <ablest1980> doesnt work
ablest1980: please pastebin "dpkg -l | grep linux-image"
[16:15] <ablest1980> ok
[16:16] <auronandace> ablest1980: he is trying to get you to show how many kernels you have installed in /boot
[16:16] <ablest1980> ok
[16:16] <ablest1980> isnt working
[16:16] <k1l> ablest1980: what isnt working?
[16:16] <ablest1980> ablest1980@HP-Pavilion-g6-Notebook-PC:~$ "dpkg -l | grep limunx-image"
[16:16] <ablest1980> dpkg -l | grep limunx-image: command not found
[16:17] <ioria> without colon
[16:17] <ablest1980> ok
[16:17] <k1l> ablest1980: copy and paste it without the collons
[16:17] <ioria> linux not limunx
[16:17] <ablest1980> ok lol
[16:19] <ablest1980> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11736122/
[16:19] <ablest1980> ^
[16:20] <auronandace> ablest1980: so ou got 4 kernels installed in boot, you can use apt-get to remove the two oldest to free up space in /boot
[16:20] <ablest1980> ok
[16:20] <k1l> ablest1980: sudo apt-get remove linux-image-3.13.0-24-generic linux-image-3.13.0-52-generic
[16:21] <ablest1980> ok ty
[16:21] <k1l> after that: sudo apt-get autoremove
[16:21] <ablest1980> k
[16:22] <ablest1980> ok done
[16:22] <ablest1980> ty
[16:22] <ablest1980> restart?
[16:23] <k1l> show a "df -h" please
[16:23] <ablest1980> ok
[16:24] <Jagst3r15> hi, are there any official Repos for PHP so I can always sync up the latest version to my server?
[16:24] <auronandace> !latest | Jagst3r15
[16:24] <ablest1980> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11736142/ k1l
[16:25] <k1l> ablest1980: now you can run the updates
[16:25] <ablest1980> ok
[16:25] <ablest1980> thanks
[16:25] <ablest1980> XD
[16:26] <Jagst3r15> auronandace are there any PPAS with PHP?
[16:27] <auronandace> Jagst3r15: i do not know sorry, but if you plan to use a PPA on an active server beware that they cannot be supported here
[16:28] <Jagst3r15> ok
[16:32] <AngeMort> Salut French ?
[16:32] <MonkeyDust> !fr
[16:34] <lynkzz> mirc
[16:38] <pokergod> can someone help me with : http://pastebin.com/TBNM1P6b
[16:38] <pokergod> i'm trying to figure out the dependancy problem
[16:39] <rypervenche> pokergod: Are you using a PPA?
[16:39] <k1l> pokergod: and which ubuntu is that exactly?
[16:40] <pokergod> i'm on 15.04
[16:40] <supersmilers> Hi. I tried virtual machines but I don't feel like I got the full experience of ubuntu gnome onmy surface pro 3. Is there a great guide on how to dual boot it with kernel drivers for the type cover 3 ?
[16:40] <k1l> pokergod: is that aptitude?
[16:42] <supersmilers> I tried hyper-v and virtual box but they gives terrible graphics performance
[16:42] <pokergod> yes it's aptitude, i don't know if I have any ppa's that are causing this
[16:42] <anonhq> hai
[16:42] <pokergod> how do you list all the ppas'?
[16:42] <ioria> apt-cache showpkg says dependency is xorg-input-abi-21 not 20
[16:42] <anonhq> hack
[16:43] <anonhq> jancok
[16:43] <anonhq> jjancok
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> supersmilers yes, a virtual machine is lsower than a real installation
[16:43] <k1l> pokergod: close aptitude. then please run a "sudo apt update" then please "sudo apt install xserver-xorg-input-evdev"
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> slower*
[16:43] <anonhq> njawap po kok asu
[16:43] <supersmilers> Is there a guide on how to dual boot it?
[16:43] <OerHeks> supersmilers, do not expect super 3d performance in a VM, vmware/xen/kvm or virtualbox
[16:44] <k1l> !dualboot | supersmilers
[16:47] <pokergod> k1l, http://pastebin.com/40twa2ZE
[16:48] <k1l> pokergod: did you run the "sudo apt update"?
[16:48] <pokergod> yes
[16:48] <k1l> please show a "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-input-evdev"
[16:48] <pokergod> i did on that pastebin
[16:49] <k1l> that is not apt-get or apt-cache output.
[16:49] <k1l> but as you see there (aptitude again?) its a ppa that is messing up your system. get rid of that
[16:49] <pokergod> how do you list the ppa's?
[16:49] <pokergod> i can't remember which i've installed
[16:50] <k1l> ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[16:51] <dupingping> hi everyone, i have found an error of grub2
[16:52] <dupingping> but i don't know how to fix this error,
[16:53] <pokergod> k1l, weird.. i did; add-apt-repository --remove ppa:trebelnik-stefina/solaar .. and it left it in /etc/apt/sources.d
[16:53] <pokergod> thanks, iremoved the trebelnik* stuff and it's fixed it
[16:53] <pokergod> thank you again!
[16:53] <k1l> !ppa-purge | pokergod
[16:53] <dupingping> when i enter linux /vmlinuz and then linux /vmlinuz, grub2 is died.
[16:57] <rypervenche> dupingping: Can you show us exactly what and where you are typing and what the output is?
[16:57] <dupingping> in grub2
[16:59] <rypervenche> dupingping: Can you pastebin the output? And if you are more comfortable, we can move this conversation to #ubuntu-cn.
[17:01] <ubuntu-studio> hey
[17:01] <ubuntu-studio> hey _william
[17:02] <ubuntu-studio> hello _km
[17:02] <supersmilers> Is there one that let me chain-load grub2 from windows boot manager?
[17:03] <supersmilers> I like to use windows boot manager rather than grub itself
[17:05] <ioria> http://askubuntu.com/questions/62440/is-it-possible-to-boot-ubuntu-using-the-windows-bootloader
[17:07] <supersmilers> Ah. now I get it but how do i disable hibernation from windows so it wouldn't mess up my dual boot?
[17:08] <k1l> supersmilers: hibternation doesnt mess up the dualboot. you only cant mount the windows partitions from other OS then, like ubunut
[17:11] <supersmilers> I can't shrink windows partition it gives "not enough space" error
[17:12] <k1l> supersmilers: ah ok. yes for resizing it should not be hibernated. but you can shrink it from within windows
[17:15] <supersmilers> there. is 76 GB enough for ubuntu gnome?
[17:16] <k1l> supersmilers: the ubuntu system is fine with ~15GB. the rest is needed for personal data like pictures and music etc that you copy onto it. so 76GB should be fine
[17:17] <supersmilers> does ubuntu gnome work with secureboot?
[17:17] <user07> i
[17:17] <reisio> more like 5GB, isn't it?
[17:17] <user07> Hi everybody from madrid spain
[17:18] <reisio> supersmilers: Ubuntu can work on systems with secureboot, secureboot and GNOME have nothing to do with one another
[17:18] <reisio> user07: hi
[17:19] <ryszek> Where do cloned git repos download to ubuntu 15.04?
[17:20] <ryszek> After running git clone https://github.com/photonstorm/phaser.git
[17:21] <dupingping> at advanced mode of grub2,
[17:21] <dupingping> enter commands as following.
[17:22] <dupingping> linux /vmlinuz
[17:22] <dupingping> linux /vmlinuz
[17:22] <dupingping> when i repeat the commands, grub2 is died exactly.
[17:23] <dearn> ryszek: in running this command will create directory phaser in your current location
[17:26] <Helperx> After extensive research and testing any kernel above 3.13 has issues for the Intel gma 950 and x1300 graphics card can anyone forward this to the kernel dev team
[17:26] <Helperx> And now since Ubuntu upgraded their kernels I have issues with Ubuntu too :(
[17:27] <OerHeks> Helperx, best thing to do is filing a bugreport.
[17:27] <OerHeks> !bug
[17:28] <OerHeks> but thos old card will give you 2d performance, maybe no flash/youtube even.
[17:28] <Helperx> Thanks can anyone tell me what has changed with the kernel to causes blurry screen at times
[17:29] <Helperx> YouTube and everything works as long as you use kernel 3.13 dervivates except html5
[17:30] <Helperx> And google chrome has issues lol
[17:33] <ioria> Helpex according to this your video card is supported : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DemystifyingUnityGraphicsHardwareRequirements
[17:33] <ioria> Helperx^
[17:34] <Helperx> Thanks brb booking at link
[17:35] <ioria> but with 1024x600 screen resolution
[17:35] <Helperx> According to the link by Ionia I should be fine
[17:36] <Helperx> O I see my monitor is 1280x1020 something like that can't remember
[17:36] <histo> Helperx: what video card?
[17:37] <darthanubis> the Intel gma 950 and x1300 graphics card
[17:38] <histo> darthanubis: ?
After extensive research and testing any kernel above 3.13 has issues for the Intel gma 950 and x1300 graphics card can anyone forward this to the kernel dev team
[17:39] <histo> ahh
[17:39] <histo> lol
[17:40] <darthanubis> :)
[17:41] <steveyh19> hello - I have an issue with compiz where resizing a window induces a 1-2 second delay in the gui and alt tabbing with an opengl game running with vsync takes 1-2 seconds to switch between windows. The problem is very noticable when using firefox and resizing the window - I can effectively make the whole gui freeze just by resizing the window quickly, something that is smooth as butter on windows. I have installed
[17:41] <steveyh19> propietary drivers for my gtx 770. Can anyone help?
[17:41] <Helperx> Yea ahah I've tried every district kernel etc but always went back to Ubuntu lol but recently like other sisters they finally upgraded their kernel which is a problem for the stupid gma lol
[17:42] <darthanubis> I have no issues with the gma in my toshiba
[17:42] <darthanubis> none
[17:42] <Helperx> Uh not sisters meant distro stupid iPad auto correct
[17:42] <darthanubis> two laptops with intel graphics
[17:42] <darthanubis> html5/ flash, etc
[17:43] <Helperx> What version of the gma
[17:44] <Helperx> And kernel are you running
[17:47] <syntax> hello
[17:47] <reisio> hi
[17:47] <histo> Helperx: i'm running intel drivers with out issue as well.
[17:48] <Helperx> I'm talking about specially Intel gma 950 and kernel higher than 3.13 issues
[17:48] <histo> Helperx: 2.99.917-5 with kernel 4.0.5-1
[17:49] <Helperx> What is the Intel model
[17:52] <histo> Helperx: Mobile 4
[17:52] <Helperx> Yea so it's not the same graphics card lol I didn't say all Intel graphics are a problem
[17:56] <mrmoniker> help
[17:56] <drmagoo> steveyh19: check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and see if it contains a line "Driver nvidia"
[17:56] <ioria> Helperx, are you using the open source driver ?
[17:57] <darthanubis> ioria, all intel drivers are opensource
[17:57] <ioria> i meant if it were from ppa
[17:57] <Helperx> Well I tried both it doesn't matter still have problems
[17:58] <ioria> ah,ok
[17:58] <Helperx> And org edgers is bad for my issues makes it worse
[17:58] <steveyh19> drmagoo: yeah it does, glxinfo also reports geforce gtx 770/pcie/sse2 as the renderer...so I think everything's install correctly
[18:08] <LeEarl> hello
[18:08] <reisio> 'lo
[18:08] <LeEarl> http://www.amzn.com/B000RLWF7I <- Magic-Joy-Box-PS2-XBOX-Adapter
[18:08] <LeEarl> I got that usb device with GC pad
[18:08] <LeEarl> I want it to work with Ubuntu
[18:09] <reisio> LeEarl: so use it with Ubuntu
[18:09] <LeEarl> resisio how?
[18:10] <LeEarl> I just plugged it in then what?
[18:10] <histo> You put the lime in the coconut
[18:10] <reisio> LeEarl: use it
[18:10] <LeEarl> histo, lime in coconut!
[18:10] <histo> LeEarl: not meant for you
[18:10] <drmagoo> steveyh19: have you tried to disable "animations" in Compiz Configureation Manager ? (compizconfig-settings-manager)
[18:11] <pbx> mouse pointer disappeared in sleep. any way to kick-start it back?
[18:13] <LeEarl> how do I test a joypad in ubuntu?
[18:13] <reisio> !joystick
[18:13] <reisio> !info joystick
[18:14] <steveyh19> drmagoo: this doesn't help
[18:17] <steveyh19> drmagoo: changing default resize mode from normal to anything else obviously fixes the resize issue because the window doesn't need to refresh, however the window switching delay with an game in vsync is still present and this machine is plenty powerful to handle window resizing. I don't have this issue in linux mint
[18:17] <user07> exit
[18:17] <user07> quit
[18:17] <anand_> hiiiiiiiiiiii
[18:29] <awktion> wow so quiet
[18:29] <LeEarl> guys the pad how do I run it?
[18:29] <awktion> anyone have experience making a crypted swap and then mounting it without restart?
[18:29] <pbx> still can't see my mouse pointer, though it's invisibly functioning :)
[18:30] <awktion> /etc/init.d/cryptdisks reload i'm guessing?
[18:31] <awktion> nvm you guys are too slow lol
[18:36] <LeEarl> jscal -c /dev/input/js0
[18:37] <LeEarl> guys I managed to reach there but dunno what to do
[18:38] <Johnny_Linux> pbx did you try logging out and back in ??
[18:40] <pbx> Johnny_Linux, not yet, i don't need the mouse much for my work so i've been pluggin away hoping to hear an answer here or in work IRC
[18:40] <Johnny_Linux> ok
[18:41] <rusco96> ciao a tutti, ho un problema con il lettore cd.. inserisco il disco ma è come se non funzionasse.. non mi trova nemmeno il cd
[18:41] <america_> hola!
[18:41] <yeiner_> pentaho someone installed in ubuntu?
[18:41] <rusco96> non sos e mi sono spiegato
[18:41] <yeiner_> hola america_
[18:41] <MonkeyDust> !it
[18:42] <america_> hi! yeiner
[18:42] <yeiner_> america conoce sobre pentaho ?
[18:43] <pbx> Johnny_Linux, going to the lock screen did the trick
[18:43] <Johnny_Linux> nice
[18:43] <Johnny_Linux> that may be theme related
[18:45] <Guest3564> Hello
[18:49] <LeEarl> so guys this is the device /dev/input/js0
[18:49] <LeEarl> how do I use it with Steam ?
[18:52] <floriantobler> l
[18:52] <floriantobler> ll
[18:52] <MonkeyDust> floriantobler it works, we see you
[18:52] <andywojo> We're setting up some ubuntu on an IBM POWER 812L at 5PM EST. There's a group of us here, we're going to try and live stream it over at #powerlinux
[18:53] <LeEarl> spam?
[18:53] <andywojo> Nah
[18:53] <LeEarl> invite?
[18:54] <andywojo> Just join #powerlinux :)
[18:55] <LeEarl> andywojo, help me then I will join
[18:55] <andywojo> Uh okay, what's your problem
[18:55] <moondog> my wife has been asking me that for years
[18:56] <Blueking> hmm what's purpose of /boot ?
[18:56] <Blueking> it was full
[18:56] <MonkeyDust> Blueking try deleting old kernels
[18:57] <f343nc3> Blueking: Where you here yesterday with that and was helped to remove kernels?
[18:58] <Blueking> MonkeyDust hmm one has to do that manual ?
[18:59] <MonkeyDust> Blueking or with synaptic, or with 3rd party tools
[18:59] <compdoc> Blueking, try: sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:59] <LeEarl> andywojo I never ever used a joystick in Ubuntu before
[18:59] <Blueking> ok
[18:59] <LeEarl> got it running on /dev/input/js0
[18:59] <f343nc3> you have to point at the kernels to remove them
[19:00] <Blueking> just rm * ?
[19:00] <f343nc3> no
[19:00] <LeEarl> compdoc! were not on #efnet ages ago?
[19:00] <bekks> Blueking: Use the package management system for uninstalling.
[19:00] <compdoc> LeEarl, yeah, long time ago
[19:01] <LeEarl> compdoc like #computers with flyback ;D
[19:01] <MonkeyDust> Blueking what's the outcome of uname -r
[19:01] <compdoc> flyback is in ##hardware
[19:01] <f343nc3> Blueking: From the command line is a good way, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels MonkeyDust can take care of you however.
[19:01] <LeEarl> compdoc, so how r u? and what r u doing now?
[19:02] <Blueking> running apt-get update
[19:02] <compdoc> hmm, same thing, I guess - working on computers for a living
[19:02] <compdoc> Blueking, try: sudo apt-get autoremove
[19:02] <LeEarl> compdoc how old r u?
[19:03] <compdoc> old enough to be yur daddy
[19:03] <f343nc3> LeEarl: we stick wuth support here please.
[19:03] <LeEarl> compdoc can I pm u?
[19:03] <compdoc> sure
[19:03] <LeEarl> f343nc3, what support dude! ;D u kijjing meh
[19:03] <LeEarl> I have been asking for 15min nobody answered my joypad Q!
[19:04] <Blueking> didn't need to run autoremove before on old setup was running without any issues for close 2 years :P
[19:04] <MonkeyDust> LeEarl repeat your question every 10 minutes or so, until someone enters who can help
[19:04] <Blueking> ok 54% used on /boot now after autoremove
[19:05] <LeEarl> MonkeyDust, cant u make a bot with a Q queue?
[19:05] <LeEarl> Q2bot ?
[19:07] <Blueking> uname -r -> 3.16.0-39-generic
[19:07] <mluser-laptop> @bar(input):button3@bar(input):button2
[19:07] <mluser-laptop> ooops.. sorry
[19:07] <Blueking> MonkeyDust have to keep more eye on munin :P
[19:09] <ElPasmo> I want to install 15.04 with a separate home partition, what's the minimum size thats suggested for the root partition? I see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskSpace that suggests 15 GB but it seems very little to me... any advice? 50 GB?
[19:10] <teward> ElPasmo: highly subjective between users and use case and other criterion
[19:11] <xangua> ElPasmo: 50 is fine if you have the space, yes. Mine is 20
[19:11] <ElPasmo> thanks all, I'll try 50 GB to be sure not to suffocate :D
[19:12] <andywojo> This is what we're installing Ubuntu on tonight: http://i.imgur.com/GeSNkwx.jpg
[19:14] <cortexman> i'm having issues with the openssh packages. my system is basically broken, i'm not sure why. https://goo.gl/doZopG
[19:14] <bekks> cortexman: Pastebin "sudo apt-get update" please, along with "lsb_release -a"
[19:15] <EriC^^> cortexman: did you install openssh manually and use checkinstall or something?
[19:15] <cortexman> no.
[19:15] <cortexman> i'm on utopic, update works normally
[19:16] <bekks> cortexman: Can you please pastebin the information mentioned above?
[19:16] <cortexman> it has no revealing information
[19:16] <bekks> Not for you maybe.
[19:16] <EriC^^> cortexman: play ball
[19:17] <cortexman> " i told you so " https://gist.githubusercontent.com/brianmingus/3053108310a00df15ea0/raw/40c16a7f1c446ee26d6b25f4a9cf51d316b9405c/gistfile1.txt
[19:17] <MonkeyDust> cortexman what's the outcome of cat /etc/issue
[19:18] <cortexman> MonkeyDust: Ubuntu 14.10 \n \l
[19:18] <ElPasmo> What's the terminal command for the startup disk creator on ubuntu? I messed up my launcher removing python (not a very good idea) and I couldnt recover the shortcuts... But I can execute from the terminal any program...
[19:19] <EriC^^> ElPasmo: usb-creator-gtk
[19:19] <sibaar> try gnome-discreator
[19:20] <dgarstang> What package server would people recommend?
[19:20] <ElPasmo> thanks EriC^^
[19:20] <sibaar> try gnome-disk-creator
[19:20] <dgarstang> ie DEB packages
[19:20] <EriC^^> ElPasmo: all the shortcuts are in /usr/share/applications
[19:20] <EriC^^> ElPasmo: no problem
[19:20] <sibaar> EriC^^, do you have a home server?
[19:21] <EriC^^> sibaar: nope
[19:21] <dgarstang> Is there a debian package repo server that supports multiple versions of the same package?
[19:21] <xangua> dgarstang: why don't you just use debian¿
[19:21] <vooze> join #archlinux
[19:21] <vooze> lol
[19:21] <bekks> dgarstang: Ask the debian guys :)
[19:22] <dgarstang> xangua: err, for the packages or for the OS?
[19:22] <filiz955> hi
[19:22] <NuckyNuck> Hi. I just successfully installed Ubuntu 15 as a VM with Vbox. It has 1.8 GB ram assigned, i3 1.5ghz with 3d acceleration enabled. I installed the Unity Tweak tool and disabled search blur. Is there anything else I can do to increase performance?
[19:22] <jimcornette> dgarstang, what kinda repo ?
[19:23] <dgarstang> jimcornette: for .DEB packages (on Ubuntu)
[19:23] <jimcornette> dgarstang, ofcource but I dont understand the version and codename part
[19:23] <jimcornette> of your question that is
[19:23] <reisio> NuckyNuck: increase video ram for vm
[19:24] <dgarstang> jimcornette: sorry, what don't you understand?
[19:24] <f343nc3> NuckyNuck, simple desktops go along way in a vn.
[19:24] <f343nc3> vm
[19:24] <NuckyNuck> reisio ok I will try this, thank you.
[19:24] <MonkeyDust> NuckyNuck better use a lighter DE in a VM
[19:25] <jimcornette> dgarstang, you wrote "Is there a debian package repo server that supports multiple versions of the same package?" they all support multi versions, are you trying to make a local repo ?
[19:25] <NuckyNuck> MonkeyDust so this means I need to remove unity and install something else?
[19:25] <dgarstang> jimcornette: yes, and i know from experience that most don't allow two versions of the same package to be in the repo at the same time
[19:25] <arnoldh> why does raid matrix have to wait for the slowest disk even if raid 0 is used?
[19:25] <MonkeyDust> NuckyNuck no, install something else, logout, switch, login
[19:26] <reisio> NuckyNuck: something other than unity would also help, but depending on your graphics hardware, increasing the video ram for the vm will suffice
[19:26] <jimcornette> dgarstang, alot of people use something called reprepro. and then assign options for each. That in turn uses a database Berk database and you can have all the versions you want
[19:26] <jimcornette> !dpkg reprepro >> dgarstang
[19:26] <dgarstang> jimcornette: k
[19:27] <NuckyNuck> MonkeyDust By something else you mean remove Ubuntu and get a different distro?
[19:28] <MonkeyDust> NuckyNuck no, install a lighter desktop environment, lxde or so, then logout, switch, login
[19:28] <NuckyNuck> Ok I understand now. Thank you I will research those.
[19:29] <MonkeyDust> NuckyNuck inside the VM, that is
[19:29] <jimcornette> dgarstang, maybe you are looking for something like this ? https://wiki.debian.org/SettingUpSignedAptRepositoryWithReprepro#Configuring_reprepro see the conf/distributions One can also use that for say hosting a debian and a ubuntu and many other distros packages on there own server. There is also a nice wiki that is on debian's autobuilder network with sbuild suite and wannabuild DB good luck
[19:29] <f343nc3> NuckyNuck: Linux allows you to choose desktops installed at the login, the graphic up is a great idae as well, the default is rather low.
[19:29] <adrian_1908> hello. I'm looking for a good e-book reader for the EPUB format. Anyone experienced with that? The one that comes with Calibre is unusable.
[19:29] <Vespero> Is there a way to dump a list of files (like with ls > output.txt) but only go two folders deep?
[19:30] <NuckyNuck> f343nc3 Ok thx for the explanation I will give this a shot
[19:30] <bekks> Vespero: find . -type f --max-depth=2 ?
[19:30] <histo> Vespero: with find . -type f -depth 2 > output.txt
[19:30] <f343nc3> NuckyNuck: No prob, best. ;)
[19:30] <bekks> ah, it was -depth
[19:30] <Vespero> lemme check that out
[19:30] <DJones> adrian_1908: Have a look at fbreader from the repo's
[19:31] <adrian_1908> DJones: ok, i'll check it out. Have you used it?
[19:31] <DJones> adrian_1908: I've not used the one on ubuntu, but its my default reader on my tablet
[19:32] <histo> bekks: it's maxdepth
[19:32] <reisio> adrian_1908: how's it unusable?
[19:32] <Vespero> It's telling me to specify options before other arguments
[19:32] <NuckyNuck> f343nc3 Is it best to remove Unity completely and then install the new environment?
[19:32] <histo> Vespero: find . -type f -maxdepth 2
[19:32] <histo> jesus typos
[19:32] <reisio> NuckyNuck: best to test new before you bother removing
[19:32] <MonkeyDust> NuckyNuck no, you don't have to uninstall unity
[19:33] <NuckyNuck> ok thanks guys
[19:33] <Turnip_Green> Anybody know why ones USB 2.0 ports would stop working when upgrading to the 64 bit variant of Ubuntu?
[19:33] <Vespero> Cool, now is there a way to only show folders, not files?
[19:33] <bekks> Vespero: -type d
[19:33] <adrian_1908> reisio: It cannot scroll in fine increments. I need that to keep track since I'm reading code in my ebook.
[19:33] <mistralol> looks like virtualbox in vivid is broken. Seems to crash when starting a ubuntu vivid machines for me. However it does not when using the offical virtualbox version
[19:33] <histo> Vespero: -type d
[19:34] <Vespero> Fantastic, thanks a bunch
[19:34] <f343nc3> NuckyNuck: I would leave unity, it has no affect when running another desktop.
[19:35] <f343nc3> NuckyNuck: You might look at the net install in the future, you can get the lightest setup that way, however it is a simpler gui.
[19:35] <NuckyNuck> Ok. It is downloading in Terminal now. So I will be back to test.
[19:42] <startrix> ?
[19:43] <histo> ?
[19:44] <adrian_1908> DJones: FBReader's font rendering leaves something to be desire and it loads and unloads images that are still in view, but the scrolling is ok. I wish Evince supported EPUB, then I wouldn't need to bother.
[19:45] <colbyf> anyone help me with Dual monitor setup. What I want to do is make each monitor a separate workspace
[19:46] <colbyf> or even separate wallpapers be good
[19:57] <b4tm4n> according to docs, to get openvpn to start on boot, you can modify /etc/openvpn/default at set an AUTOSTART parameter. I tried this and it worked (or so it seemed). Because now, even with all AUTOSTART lines commented, the vpn connects on boot. How do I disable it?
[19:57] <arlin> Helo, something online
[19:59] <arlin> what are doing the people?
[19:59] <arlin> is there somethig programing?
[20:00] <arlin> Now I am doing a basic txt editor for windows users
[20:00] <Pici> arlin: Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[20:01] <k1l> arlin: this channel is for support with ubuntu OS. we try to keep it free from chat, for chat we have #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:05] <HoloPed> is there a guide for making Ubuntu read-only root (or boot?)? For a headless system that experiences a lot of power cuts
[20:05] <bekks> HoloPed: Boot live cd?
[20:06] <LeEarl> arlin learn LUA ;D
[20:06] <HoloPed> bekks, I need to boot from a usb, with some custom scripts and drivers installed
[20:06] <HoloPed> its not a clean OS
[20:06] <HoloPed> there are some stuff that I need to have there
[20:07] <Guest42214> anybody have a good keylogger
[20:08] <Guest42214> looking for a keylogger
[20:08] <LeEarl> Guest42214, does these seems to u like N$A channel?
[20:08] <bekks> Guest42214: Sounds like you are on the wrong channel then ;)
[20:08] <supersmilers> Hi. I tried dual booting ubuntu gnome but I don't know how to chain load grub2 with Windows 8.1 boot GUI as primary bootloader
[20:09] <bekks> !dualboot | supersmilers
[20:09] <FUthomas> man shut the fuck up
[20:09] <FUthomas> why is debian wheezy going lts
[20:09] <LeEarl> FUthomas, !
[20:10] <bekks> FUthomas: Watch your language please, and keep your debian questions to the debian support.
[20:10] <DJones> FUthomas: This is Ubuntu support, you'd need to ask the debian people (and probably politely without swearing)
[20:11] <supersmilers> yea. but easybcd only write windows 7 boot GUI so the boot selector Isn't Windows 8.1 style.
[20:11] <histo> supersmilers: selector?
[20:11] <bekks> supersmilers: Normally, you dont use the windows bootloader for dualbooting.
[20:13] <FUthomas> holy fuck shit the #debian ops fucked me off bad
[20:13] <FUthomas> they banned me FOR NO FUCKING REASON
[20:13] <supersmilers> In this case, on july 29th the Windows 8.1 will auto-upgrade to Windows 10 which could break ubuntu partition in progress
[20:15] <f343nc3> supersmilers: Kind of a unlikely, but always be prepared and backed up......for anything. ;
[20:15] <keksblub> FUthomas: relax
[20:16] <choki> When will encryption issue be fixed and do I ahave to reinstall then my whole system???
[20:16] <supersmilers> its known that windows likes to hoard the main boot sector
[20:16] <choki> This is the stupid issue im talkin about http://askubuntu.com/questions/635378/15-04-swap-wont-stay-decrypted-both-disk-and-home-directory-encrypted
[20:17] <f343nc3> supersmilers: Bad rhetoric, means nothing, you have a long way to go.
[20:17] <fullstack> Hey you guys read that Google Chrome turns on your mic and there is no way to opt out? I want to switch to Chromium but I need it built with the "turn off and opt out of google spyware" flag? is that turned on in apt-get install chromium-browser?
[20:17] <supersmilers> ok. I guess I should stick to grub as main boot GUI?
[20:18] <bekks> supersmilers: Correct.
[20:20] <supersmilers> Oh well, I'm stuck trying to get the type cover 3 on my surface Pro 3 to work with ubuntu Gnome. Only the wifi, bluetooth, touch screen, and keyboard works not the touchpad on the typecover 3.
[20:22] <supersmilers> How do i get it to work?
[20:24] <supersmilers> maybe with custom kernel?
[20:25] <pbx> supersmilers, i see a lot of hits in google related to this, what have you tried? https://www.google.com/search?q=surface+pro+3+ubuntu+touch
[20:25] <thenewone> Hi
[20:25] <cinar> slm
[20:26] <thenewone> salam ca va
[20:27] <supersmilers> some of the blogs applies to older distro of ubuntu (in this case, 14.04). I have 15.04 and the touchpad doesn't work out of box.
[20:27] <thenewone> can i play game over network wish that game installed on windows box and i'm runing linux box ?
[20:28] <jhutchins> thenewone: rdp
[20:28] <thenewone> i want run that game in background
[20:29] <thenewone> jhutchins, with rdp can i run it in background ?
[20:30] <jhutchins> thenewone: I'm not sure what you're really trying to do, but rdp will connect to the Windows system just like mstsc, and you can run the game remotely.
[20:30] <supersmilers> it's funny. the blog mentions that keyboard doesn't work out of box but the touchpad does. in my case, its the other way around.
[20:31] <jhutchins> supersmilers: Touchscreens are different from touchpads, I'm not sure how the surface 3 would present itself.
[20:31] <jhutchins> supersmilers: You can dmesg | less and see what the system thinks it sees.
[20:32] <supersmilers> the touchpad is part of the type cover. my system is a laptop/tablet hybrid.
[20:33] <thenewone> thanks guys
[20:34] <supersmilers> and the type cover is detachable
[20:37] <supersmilers> I just wondering how I get it to see the type cover properly
[20:38] <lotuspsychje> supersmilers: can you re-ask your question please
[20:41] <supersmilers> lotuspsychje: when I install ubuntu gnome 15.04 alongside windows 8.1 pro, it detects only wifi, bluetooth, touchscreen, and the keyboard part of the type cover 3 (the touchpad part is not working) on my surface pro 3.
[20:41] <supersmilers> I wanted the touchpad part of the type cover to work properly
[20:41] <lotuspsychje> supersmilers: i hear a few users that used a specific kernel on a surface pro 3, did you get that kernel too?
[20:42] <supersmilers> no. I heard it suppose to be included in 3.19 kernel
[20:42] <supersmilers> and it installed 3.19 kernel by default
[20:42] <lotuspsychje> supersmilers: well i didnt test it myself, but i know you might need specific kernel for it cant recall wich one
[20:43] <lotuspsychje> supersmilers: maybe lookup forum specific ubuntu+surface pro3 kernel
[20:43] <supersmilers> maybe i should ask it on reddit on surfacelinux subreddit for more info?
[20:44] <lotuspsychje> supersmilers: or re-ask in here once in a while sure
[20:44] <supersmilers> ok
[20:44] <k1l> supersmilers: the surface devices do have some compatibility issues with linux sind they are made especially for microsoft (which is the maker of windows and has no interesst of supporting linux of course)
[20:50] <lotuspsychje> k1l: check this out mate, this one is for ubuntu gnome: http://www.carlos-roque.com/2015/04/25/dual-boot-gnome-ubuntu-15-04-on-a-surface-pro-3/
[20:51] <k1l> lotuspsychje: ah nice, a custom kernel with patches. good news for the users who want to run it.
[20:51] <lotuspsychje> k1l: will be working smoother then win for sure :p
[21:04] <usertest123123> Hello
[21:04] <grinchier> hello!
[21:07] <usertest123123> Can anybody mention me? I'm testing some stuff here..
[21:08] <lotuspsychje> !test | usertest123123
[21:09] <usertest123123> hey, thanks :) I was testing gnome notification system
[21:13] <gfixler> I think I'm having DNS problems, but I'm a net-idiot
[21:13] <gfixler> I'm visiting the folks in the woods
[21:13] <gfixler> they have Hughesnet
[21:13] <gfixler> satellite internet
[21:13] <gfixler> I can obviously sign in here
[21:13] <gfixler> and I can visit some things, like google and youtube
[21:14] <gfixler> but most links, including those google serves up give me a "server not found" page
[21:15] <gfixler> I'm on an Ubuntu laptop; mom is on Mac laptop/iPad/iMac, and often has these "server not found" problems
[21:15] <gfixler> any ideas?
[21:15] <sikio> gfixler: have you tried to change the dns addresses to something else?
[21:15] <gfixler> sikio: I don't know how
[21:15] <sikio> gfixler: do you know if you have a router?
[21:15] <gfixler> and I'm having trouble googling how, because every result sends me to "server not found" :)
[21:15] <gfixler> there is a hughesnet provided router
[21:16] <sikio> and is it handling the dns address?
[21:16] <sikio> do you know that?
[21:16] <gfixler> sikio: I don't know
[21:16] <sikio> well can you access the router configuration?
[21:16] <gfixler> hmmm, would I be able to do that from a laptop over wifi?
[21:17] <sikio> usually the routers require you to connect via ethernet, but it might work
[21:17] <gfixler> is this through something like 192.168.0.0?
[21:17] <sikio> yes
[21:17] <gfixler> and do I just guess around for the numbers?
[21:17] <sikio> and the address depends on what its address in lan is
[21:18] <sikio> no :)
[21:18] <sikio> ifconfig -a in terminal should tell you which address it has
[21:19] <gfixler> I have eth0, lo, and wlan0
[21:20] <sikio> wlan0 is the interface I believe
[21:20] <sikio> what does the inet addr part say
[21:20] <gfixler> I have 5 inet6 addrs
[21:20] <auronandace> that tells you your IP, it doesn't tell you the IP of the router
[21:21] <gfixler> these are some big numbers
[21:21] <sikio> well usually it is something like 192.168.1.1
[21:21] <gfixler> fd0d:edc3:etc for all 5
[21:21] <auronandace> ipv6
[21:22] <gfixler> yeah, ipv6, I guess
[21:22] <gfixler> can I stick these in the address bar?
[21:23] <gfixler> there's also an HWaddr: c8:f7:etc
[21:23] <sikio> eh are you sure you're using the ipv6 standard?
[21:24] <gfixler> sikio: on my machine?
[21:24] <brainwash> !nomodeset
[21:24] <GarethTheGreat> just out of curiosity, is it normal for the updates manager to run painfully slow compared to an "apt-get upgrade"?
[21:24] <sikio> in your lan network?
[21:24] <GarethTheGreat> sikio: Your Local Area Network Network?
[21:24] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: define slow?
[21:24] <gfixler> sikio: no idea - I just connect to the wifi when I visit
[21:24] <sikio> GarethTheGreat: sorry not replying to you
[21:24] <GarethTheGreat> lotuspsychje: been running for a few hours now
[21:25] <brainwash> maybe it got stuck
[21:25] <gfixler> and this time I'm getting a lot of "server not found," and apparently mom has been too
[21:25] <GarethTheGreat> no, it's still running
[21:25] <GarethTheGreat> just really slowly
[21:25] <brainwash> bad download mirror?
[21:25] <GarethTheGreat> i'm used to using apt-get from a terminal, decided to use the updates manager
[21:25] <GarethTheGreat> it's downloaded all the packages, just taking forever to install them
[21:26] <brainwash> that is odd
[21:26] <GarethTheGreat> usually it takes about 20-30 minutes max when done with apt-get from a terminal
[21:26] <sikio> gfixler: try pasting this in the terminal: nm-tool | grep -i gateway | xargs echo | cut -d' ' -f2
[21:27] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: does your other network downloads go fast? like downing an ubuntu iso?
[21:27] <gfixler> sikio: okay - what should I look for?
[21:27] <GarethTheGreat> lotuspsychje: it's already downloaded the packages
[21:27] <sikio> does it give you some output
[21:27] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: no, i mean http downloads, to test your speed
[21:27] <sikio> gfixler: do you know if your router has a password?
[21:27] <GarethTheGreat> yeah, i see stuff happening, it's just really slow
[21:28] <gfixler> sikio: not sure
[21:28] <GarethTheGreat> lotuspsychje: 3mbps, and as said - it's already downloaded the packages, they're just taking ages to install
[21:28] <gfixler> sikio: that pipeline gave me the same addresses with a lot more info around them (all ipv6 stuff)
[21:28] <sikio> you might want to look that up if you want to access it
[21:28] <GarethTheGreat> it's not a major issue to be honest, i'm just curious if the updates manager is known to be slower
[21:28] <GarethTheGreat> i thought it was just a graphical frontend to apt-get
[21:28] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: slow as in hours cant be normal right
[21:29] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: something bottlenecks you
[21:29] <GarethTheGreat> so in short, it ain't normal
[21:29] <brainwash> it's the same backend
[21:29] <sikio> gfixler: okay, it might be that I can't help you
[21:29] <GarethTheGreat> very weird then
[21:30] <brainwash> well, check your log files
[21:30] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: router or firewall?
[21:30] <GarethTheGreat> lotuspsychje: it's not a networking issue
[21:30] <GarethTheGreat> it downloaded the packages at a reasonable speed
[21:30] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: just the install part slow?
[21:30] <GarethTheGreat> exactly
[21:30] <GarethTheGreat> if it was a slow download i'd just put it down to crappy wifi
[21:30] <sikio> gfixler: you could try to figure out how to access the router and change the dns addresses to manual, and use google dns addresses for example
[21:30] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: and terminal way, install fast?
[21:30] <gfixler> sikio: that's what I'd like to do
[21:31] <GarethTheGreat> lotuspsychje: yeah, if i invoke apt-get in a terminal, it takes 20-30 minutes max
[21:31] <gfixler> sikio: or openDNS (that's a thing, right?)
[21:31] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: 30 min to update?
[21:31] <sikio> yeah I personally just prefer the google ones
[21:31] <GarethTheGreat> it's now 10:30, it's been doing the install phase since 9:00
[21:32] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: wich ubuntu version?
[21:32] <GarethTheGreat> 12.04
[21:32] <GarethTheGreat> ah wait!
[21:32] <GarethTheGreat> it's doing a dist-upgrade
[21:32] <GarethTheGreat> that would be why
[21:32] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: lol
[21:32] <GarethTheGreat> slap me with a stupid stick
[21:32] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: to wich version
[21:32] <GarethTheGreat> to 14.04
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: ah great, you gonna love it good luck!
[21:33] <GarethTheGreat> i only really use this machine for music stuff
[21:33] <Johnny_Linux> go get dinner
[21:33] <GarethTheGreat> take it to gigs to control my guitar amp
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> Johnny_Linux: bon apetit!
[21:33] <GarethTheGreat> my other boxes all run debian or BSD
[21:34] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: we can only advise you ubuntu here of course
[21:34] <GarethTheGreat> lotuspsychje: i know
[21:34] <GarethTheGreat> being honest i'm not that much of an ubuntu fan for most things, though i do recommend it to friends and relatives coming from windows
[21:36] <GarethTheGreat> installed it on this laptop as the MIDI software i was using happened to have an ubuntu package that "just works"
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> GarethTheGreat: lets keep this ontopic mate :p
[21:36] <GarethTheGreat> heh, ok
[21:36] <GarethTheGreat> that was sorta ontopic, it was praise for the "just works" nature of ubuntu
[21:37] <elliefitzy> I am trying to transfer a library from windows to ubuntu (it is multiplatform), but I cant seem to install it. Do you have to install libraries on linux like you do on windows?
[21:37] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | GarethTheGreat feel free to join here
[21:37] <lotuspsychje> elliefitzy: wich package are we talking about?
[21:38] <elliefitzy> it is not a publically available package
[21:38] <lotuspsychje> elliefitzy: but do you have bit more details of your plan?
[21:39] <elliefitzy> lotuspsychje: my plan?
[21:40] <kokut> hey someone has to fix the links on ubuntu.com ftp://ftp.rediris.es/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/releases14.04.2/ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso is not the right link
[21:40] <lotuspsychje> elliefitzy: yes, what are you trying to do exactly?
[21:40] <k1l> kokut: ?
[21:40] <asdfasdfk> hello?
[21:40] <asdfasdfk> hello>?
[21:40] <lotuspsychje> asdfasdfk: can we help you?
[21:40] <asdfasdfk> yea
[21:40] <kokut> the download link is wrong
[21:40] <asdfasdfk> so when u choose erase disk and install ubuntu, what does it do to multiple hard drives?
[21:41] <kokut> ftp://ftp.rediris.es/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/releases/14.04.2/ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso right link
[21:41] <k1l> kokut: the link is to a mirror. just try again and you get another mirror if that is down
[21:41] <kokut> nope i already tried
[21:41] <elliefitzy> lotuspsychje: I am trying to access the .lib files avaliable on linux. I am working with a haptic device called the omega 7. I need to be able to access the functions to control the device.
[21:41] <asdfasdfk> so when u choose erase disk and install ubuntu, what does it do to multiple hard drives?
[21:41] <asdfasdfk> ???
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> !patience | asdfasdfk
[21:42] <asdfasdfk> i dont think theres an answer i googled
[21:42] <asdfasdfk> at least say 'idk' somebody
[21:43] <asdfasdfk> so when u choose erase disk and install ubuntu, what does it do to multiple hard drives??
[21:43] <k1l> asdfasdfk: it should erase the first disk. but to be sure you should a) remove the other disks or b) make a manual partitioning.
[21:43] <moondog> I would think your best bet, if you want to know exactly what it will do to your drives, is to not take the automatic option
[21:43] <asdfasdfk> ok thx
[21:43] <k1l> asdfasdfk: and if you dont stop to be annoying you get set out of the door.
[21:43] <Bashing-om> asdfasdfk: I do expect it to only operate on the one hard drive selected .
[21:44] <asdfasdfk> i meant like a /home partition
[21:44] <asdfasdfk> is that only manual
[21:44] <asdfasdfk> bye illl just do manaul
[21:44] <moondog> brilliant!
[21:45] <Bashing-om> asdfasdfk: Well, If the /home is on the drive selected AND not specifically unchecked to be formatted .. then that /home is history .
[21:46] <Df3D2> so I just got an intel 750 series pcie-ssd... it shows up in fdisk as Disk /dev/nvme0n1: 400.1 GB, 400088457216 bytes I used dd to clone my windows ssd. So now it also has Disk /dev/nvme0n1p1 problem is, gparted doesn't see the device at all? so I can resize the partition to the right size
[21:47] <JinjaNinja> Any chans for Ubuntu GNOME? Is this channel fine for that?
[21:48] <lotuspsychje> JinjaNinja: #ubuntu-gnome
[21:48] <k1l> JinjaNinja: you can ask here or in #ubuntu-gnome
[21:50] <JinjaNinja> To anyone who has used Ubuntu Gnome distro (or currently does)... Is there any way at all to create an app category folder, to organize apps within the application launcher of GNOME DE?
[21:51] <JinjaNinja> There used to be a way to do it, but they've taken it away. I was wondering if anyone knows of a work around for this, or a simple Python script
[21:52] <colbyf> Is here a way to create your own categories and move programs around categories in Unity
[21:52] <colbyf> hhaa
[21:52] <JinjaNinja> What...?
[21:53] <colbyf> quite similar
[21:53] <lotuspsychje> colbyf: there is a classicmenu indicator
[21:53] <lotuspsychje> colbyf: puts all programs/settings into categories
[21:53] <colbyf> but try unity lauchers folders
[21:53] <colbyf> I will try that thanks
[21:54] <lotuspsychje> !info classicmenu-indicator | colbyf
[21:55] <MonkeyDust> colbyf scroll down to 'unity folders'... is this what you mean? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/11/useful-tools-for-ubuntu-do-you-use-them
[21:55] <colbyf> sweet got it installed, perfect, I can now nosy easily at what I have installed randomly today lol
[21:56] <colbyf> thats my next step MonkeyDust thankyou, that be so handy also
[21:56] <JinjaNinja> I was hoping for a solution to have different application category folders in Gnome Desktop environment. I believe, in the earlier releases of GNOME DE, there used to be 2 category folders: "Utilities" and "Sundry"
[21:56] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust: +1 didnt know that1 :p
[21:57] <colbyf> well thanks to you both, you have just made my day a bit easier
[21:57] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje yes, i use it myself too, very neat
[21:57] <lotuspsychje> colbyf: you know where to find us for handy packages
[21:57] <colbyf> i do :)
[22:00] <JinjaNinja> Does anyone know of a way to get app category folders on GNOME? And no, I'm not looking for something like 'Alecarte'. I was wanting something more elegant. Kind of like app folders on a mobile phone.
[22:00] <colbyf> JinjaNinja, have you tired a gnome channel
[22:01] <colbyf> they may be able to help more
[22:01] <JinjaNinja> colbyf: I have... There's only like 20 members on the channel lol
[22:01] <lotuspsychje> JinjaNinja: can this help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/210918/how-to-edit-gnome-unity-menus-without-using-alacarte
[22:01] <colbyf> ahh you need to connect to a different IRC
[22:01] <colbyf> or server
[22:02] <colbyf> could be wrong can't remember
[22:03] <JinjaNinja> lotuspsychje: The solution seems to be pretty much the same thing. I'll show you what I'm talking about. In earlier releases of GNOME, there used to be a way to do what I'm talking about. I'll give you a screenshot of what it looks like
[22:03] <colbyf> in synaptic package manager there is a yellow sun next to some packages, anyone know what the icon represents
[22:03] <k1l> synaptics package manager is so 2002 :)
[22:03] <Johnny_Linux> happy packages ??
[22:04] <lotuspsychje> lol
[22:04] <colbyf> lol
[22:04] <colbyf> :)
[22:04] <colbyf> synaptics package manger is great, well I used to using the AUR so it feels familiar to me
[22:05] <colbyf> pamac i mean
[22:05] <k1l> colbyf: can you provide a screenshot?
[22:05] <colbyf> sure
[22:06] <lotuspsychje> colbyf: maybe you mean the package is marked icon next to it?
[22:06] <JinjaNinja> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/overwhelcming.jpg As you can see, "utilities" and "sundry" are app folders on this older version of gnome. the option to create folders with ease is no longer available :/
[22:06] <k1l> or the ubuntu logo next to it?
[22:07] <colbyf> https://imgur.com/hWaYeia
[22:07] <k1l> that should be the ubuntu logo
[22:08] <colbyf> ok to represent ubuntu specific packages
[22:08] <k1l> and that shows a "package is supported by ubuntu"
[22:08] <colbyf> ah ok
[22:08] <colbyf> thanks
[22:09] <lotuspsychje> JinjaNinja: not sure, never used that before
[22:10] <lotuspsychje> JinjaNinja: wich version are you on?
[22:10] <JinjaNinja> Ubuntu GNOME 15.04
[22:11] <lotuspsychje> JinjaNinja: had this issue on other versions too?
[22:12] <lotuspsychje> JinjaNinja: you could try a 14.04 liveusb to test perhaps?
[22:13] <JinjaNinja> This is my first time with GNOME. I LOVE this desktop environment. The only drawback is the lack of app drawer creation
[22:13] <colbyf> they have removed it
[22:13] <JinjaNinja> I'm actually reading about it online
[22:13] <colbyf> you need to downgrade or use a hack
[22:14] <JinjaNinja> what type of hack xD
[22:14] <colbyf> I dont know lol :P
[22:14] <JinjaNinja> https://developer.gnome.org/AppFolders/
[22:14] <JinjaNinja> Idk, maybe this is an app drawer?
[22:15] <JinjaNinja> Or maybe this is a boring gnome hierarchy thing like Alacarte
[22:16] <colbyf> Try gnome-catgen https://github.com/prurigro/gnome-catgen
[22:16] <colbyf> Not a perfect solution, but a LOT easier then current methods.
[22:16] <colbyf> dont know if its any good just passing ideas
[22:17] <colbyf> https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/32jqcw/gnome_316_and_i_still_cant_organise_icons_into/
[22:17] <JinjaNinja> I'll try gnome-catgen and I'll report back if I experience issues. Thanks so much!
[22:17] <colbyf> good luck
[22:23] <designbybeck> Ubuntu 14.04 64bit - Sound works fine through speakers, plug in headset, sound works through headset just fine, unplug headset, no sound through speakers
[22:23] <designbybeck> not even stopping and starting the serve seems to work, I have to reboot everytime I'm done using my headset to get my speakers working agian
[22:23] <designbybeck> suggestions?
[22:24] <colbyf> I use this it may help
[22:24] <colbyf> indicator-sound-switcher
[22:24] <tevas> yes
[22:24] <tevas> ^^^
[22:27] <designbybeck> what ist hat colbyf
[22:28] <colbyf> screenshot 1 sec
[22:28] <designbybeck> you mean just sound settings and change the input? I've tried that
[22:29] <colbyf> what about the output
[22:29] <colbyf> check both
[22:30] <ElelElelElel> Hi
[22:31] <JinjaNinja> colbyf: Damn, this is hard stuff. Gnome-catgen is a bit advanced for my taste xD I wish there was a gnome-catgen for dummies xD
[22:32] <GarethTheGreat> just compiled a kernel module and tried to load it, dmesg gives "module verification failed: signature and/or required key missing"
[22:32] <colbyf> sorry, try the other link, people ere chattng about it in reddit
[22:33] <colbyf> or see if there is a youtube vid
[22:33] <GarethTheGreat> running kernel 3.13-0.55-lowlatency
[22:33] <GarethTheGreat> how do i get it to load a module i just compiled?
[22:34] <ElelElelElel> oops
[22:35] <designbybeck> sorry i menat output colbyf
[22:36] <veritoo> Hi someone free!
[22:36] <veritoo> I need help with to print
[22:37] <designbybeck> colbyf, it worked when I unplugged and manually switchec back. I thought it use to do it automatically
[22:37] <designbybeck> so it is working for the time being! Thanks for your help colbyf
[22:38] <colbyf> :P
[22:38] <GarethTheGreat> so, anyone know how to get a module to load without recompiling the kernel to disable signing?
[22:46] <GarethTheGreat> turns out i had to pass a param to the kernel to disable module signature verification
[23:12] <deweydb> does anyone know why when i install trimage with ubuntu package manager (apt-get install trimage), it creates two trimage.py files. 1) /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/trimage/trimage.py & 2) /usr/share/pyshared/trimage/trimage.py
[23:13] <deweydb> when does the system decide which file it uses: 1 or 2 ?
[23:20] <kp2o> salut tout le monde
[23:20] <kp2o> iy a des francais ?
[23:20] <k1l> !fr | kp2o
[23:24] <ki7rw> strange, i re-installed ubuntu 14.04 and now cpufrequtils doesn't work
[23:41] <neonixcoder> I want to use kernel v3.17 in Trusty.. Is it possible?
[23:42] <neonixcoder> I know I can upgrade kernel but do ubuntu have official support for this version in Trusty release?
[23:42] <neonixcoder> I see here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ only v3.15* is supported..
[23:42] <k1l> neonixcoder: see enablement stack for official support
[23:42] <k1l> !enablementstack | neonixcoder
[23:43] <k1l> !mainline | neonixcoder this is not officially supported since they are testing kernels
[23:43] <neonixcoder> Thanks guys..
[23:43] <neonixcoder> Let me have a look..!
[23:44] <gambl0re> im running ubuntu in virtualbox and its pretty slow. any suggestions how to improve performance? i already did research but nothing resolved. thanks
[23:45] <neonixcoder> k1l:I am looking specifically for versions > 3.16.. anything after that is fine as one my requirements are patched in 3.16v.
[23:45] <gambl0re> i already gave vb like 50% of my ram
[23:45] <bekks> gambl0re: how much ram do you have?
[23:45] <gambl0re> so many...
[23:45] <gambl0re> its a good laptop..
[23:45] <bekks> gambl0re: how much ram do you have?
[23:45] <k1l> neonixcoder: there should be a 3.19 backports kernel already in the trusty repo for testing the new 14.04.3 kernel which is the vivid backports kernel
[23:45] <gambl0re> a lot...
[23:46] <bekks> gambl0re: last time: how much ram do you have?
[23:46] <gambl0re> 4GB
[23:46] <gambl0re> i gave the vm half
[23:46] <quetzalcoatl> holiiii
[23:46] <bekks> gambl0re: and which desktop environment do you use in your ubuntu in your virtualbox vm?
[23:46] <gambl0re> ubuntu 14
[23:46] <bekks> gambl0re: thats not a desktop environment, nor a valid version.
[23:46] <gambl0re> what?
[23:47] <kostkon> gambl0re, did you enable guest extensions to get 3d support
[23:47] <bekks> gambl0re: Do you use Unity, Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, etc.?
[23:47] <neonixcoder> k1l:How can I list all available kernel for Trusty, so that I can install one which satisfies my requirement.
[23:47] <kostkon> guest additions*
[23:47] <gambl0re> exact file name of iso ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-amd64
[23:47] <k1l> neonixcoder: see the enablement stack wiki page
[23:47] <gambl0re> i installed guest addtions
[23:47] <gambl0re> how do i check that
[23:47] <kostkon> gambl0re, did you reboot the vm?
[23:48] <gambl0re> i installed guest additions long time ago. ive been using ubuntu for few months now
[23:48] <gambl0re> so i rebooted over 100 times
[23:48] <k1l> !info linux-generic-lts-vivid
[23:49] <k1l> !info trusty linux-generic-lts-vivid
[23:49] <k1l> !info linux-generic-lts-vivid trusty | neonixcoder
[23:49] <gambl0re> how do i check if im using unity or something else
[23:49] <gambl0re> im probably using unity as my gui?
[23:50] <bekks> gambl0re: Dont use Unity in a VM, for performance reasons.
[23:51] <gambl0re> but how do i check to make sure
[23:51] <tona> hi
[23:51] <gambl0re> and how do i disable it if i am using it?
[23:51] <tona> i have configured the network but it doens work any idea
[23:51] <tona> iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 gateway 192.168.1.254
[23:51] <tona> i sued these calues
[23:52] <jesus__> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[23:52] <jesus__> that will show your desktop name
[23:52] <gambl0re> it only says ubuntu
[23:53] <jesus__> then probably is unity
[23:53] <BrunoPT> tona: did you restart the computer? or the network service?
[23:53] <bekks> gambl0re: Install another desktop environment, select it upon the login screen.
[23:53] <k1l> that is unity
[23:53] <gambl0re> im already running ubuntu....
[23:54] <gambl0re> is there another way to improve performance other than using a different environment?
[23:54] <jesus__> try this echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[23:54] <gambl0re> isnt there any settings i can change
[23:54] <bekks> gambl0re: Thats why you should install another desktop environment, like: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[23:54] <bazhang> more ram
[23:54] <tona> i have restarted and nothing work
[23:54] <k1l> gambl0re: slow in what means?
[23:54] <tona> still with set one ip
[23:54] <gambl0re> i said settings...not buying new hardware
[23:54] <bekks> gambl0re: More RAM, physical 3D hardware, which is impossible in a VM.
[23:54] <tona> stil without put the ip address
[23:54] <jesus__> you can try using lubuntu
[23:54] <kostkon> gambl0re, did you enable and install the additions for that particular vm? I'm asking becuase you said you did that long time ago
[23:55] <k1l> gambl0re: is the host under load, too? does it have a ssd? what is the cpu? what is the gpu?
[23:55] <gambl0re> yes im 1000% sure i installed guest additions for this vm
[23:55] <kostkon> gambl0re, ok
[23:56] <gambl0re> $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP = no unity command found
[23:56] <gambl0re> how much ram does it need?
[23:56] <bekks> gambl0re: "more".
[23:56] <gambl0re> i gave it so much already..
[23:57] <bekks> gambl0re: granting even more will slow down your host.
[23:58] <gambl0re> so no other suggestions besides buying more ram or installing new environment?
gambl0re: is the host under load, too? does it have a ssd? what is the cpu? what is the gpu?
[23:58] <gambl0re> host is NOT under load...
[23:59] <gambl0re> its like flying throught the mountains...im free like a bird. i can do anytihng i want
[23:59] <gambl0re> no ssd
[23:59] <k1l> gambl0re: i asked A LOT more than just that. and specific details will lead to specific solutions. "my car is black" is just not helping to repair a car.
[23:59] <gambl0re> i3 2.1 GHz
[23:59] <gambl0re> 4GB ram
[23:59] <gambl0re> windows 7
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[00:31] <jusss> http://lvv2.com/t/258844/
[00:31] <ubrl> jusss: ⇪ 泰国清迈大学工商管理系大一新生面试，一个穿高中校服的童鞋艳压全场，看资料才发现是个男生！是个男生！个男生！男生！生！【都别理我，我要弯一下！】
[00:33] <kandu> hoxily: 早
[00:58] <^k^> 取新帖 timeout
[01:10] <hoxily> jusss: 你有QQ没有？
[01:11] <hoxily> jusss: 来加一下
[01:28] <Niac> android频道居然在讨论音乐
[01:45] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 竟然是图片 http://i2.xiaohua.fd.zol-img.com.cn/t_s600x5000/g4/M06/06/08/Cg-4WVJWHwSILX1bAAC_o80WmDcAAMZFAOkNhUAAL-7418.jpg 分享图片
[01:47] <^k^> 新 手机和平板 • 基於 Ubuntu15.04 的 Ubuntu Touch OTA-4 發行了 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471352 1. https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13291.html Ubuntu Touch OTA -4 released 2. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-O ... 4370.shtml Ubuntu Touch Huge OTA-4 Update Officially Released, OS Now Based on Ubuntu 15.04 3. https://wiki
[01:47] <^k^> ─> .ubuntu.com/Touch/Channels<
[01:54] <BuMangHuo> hoxily: momo
[02:00] <sjd_zeus> test
[02:00] <ubrl> sjd_zeus:点点点. 22:00
[02:01] <^k^> 取新帖 timeout
[02:33] <sjd_zeus> 都在忙，没人蛋逼呀
[02:39] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 屌哦 http://news.smzdm.com/p/14379
[02:39] <ubrl> BuMangHuo: ⇪ 小幅升级：RICOH 理光 发布 便携数码相机 GR II_新品_资讯中心_什么值得买
[02:40] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 看到了.
[02:40] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 这升级跟挤牙膏差不多
[02:40] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: lol~ 是啊, 比dp的升级差远了
[02:41] <BuMangHuo> 话说哪个功能不能用固件升级实现.. 哦，除了 wifi 和 nfc
[02:41] <BuMangHuo> 丫的，白平衡, 离机闪光， 干嘛不升级固件啊
[02:41] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: RAW缓存增至10连拍 这个得硬件升级啊
[02:42] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 谁TM用卡片拍 RAW
[02:42] <BuMangHuo> 谁 TM 用卡片10连拍
[02:42] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: lol~
[02:42] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 我还指望老一代 gr 更新固件支持离机闪光灯呢
[02:43] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 然后你买gr吗? 还不是不买? 那你指望它有个毛用
[02:43] <BuMangHuo> 这下看来没希望了，这要升级了，新 gr 就卖不出去了
[02:43] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 我用 d7000 跟人换 gr 玩啊
[02:43] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 哦...
[02:43] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: gr好, 能带出去.
[02:43] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 现在就手持 gr 啊
[02:44] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: d7k太大, 带不出去
[02:45] <BuMangHuo> 对的
[02:45] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 私聊
[02:50] <yunfan> 魔都居然有官方翻墙专线
[03:06] <^k^> 新 因特网相关软件 • pidgin-lwqq 怎么设置才能不显示消息通知 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471353 hi. pidgin-lwqq 怎么设置才能不显示消息通知 每当有好友上线，就会弹出消息通知，怎么禁用掉。 zz: jin7 — 2015-06-18 11:05
[03:07] <xdliu> linux
[03:08] <xdliu> axhiao
[03:20] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 约上了么?
[03:21] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 约了
[03:21] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 已经开户了，明天就能买买买了
[03:22] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 啧啧, 一人多户了?
[03:22] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 对啊
[03:22] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 我的三张都制卡邮寄了, 显示12号通过的, 不知道啥时候能收到
[03:22] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 你之前如果是睡眠账户可能并没有一人多户
[03:22] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 那不是应该已经到了？
[03:23] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 母鸡啊
[03:23] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: EMS应该很快的啊
[03:23] <archl> QiongMangHuo, 好孩子
[03:23] <QiongMangHuo> archl: 坏孩子
[03:23] <BuMangHuo> 好像是时间长不动就被冻结了的样子？
[03:23] <axhiao> QiongMangHuo 是在说申请信用卡么？
[03:23] <archl> axhiao, 股票
[03:23] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 对
[03:23] <xdliu> 逗比axhiao
[03:23] <axhiao> 擦。。
[03:24] <archl> QiongMangHuo, 我很坏很坏的，以后多多关照
[03:24] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 如果三年无交易 账户内无股票的话就会
[03:25] <xdliu> 你嘛，里面别乱说话
be polite
[03:25] <QiongMangHuo> xdliu: axhiao 你俩是谁?
[03:25] <xdliu> hack联盟的
[03:25] <axhiao> QiongMangHuo 他是我同学，发错了
[03:25] <axhiao> QiongMangHuo 别介意
[03:26] <axhiao> sorry
[03:26] <QiongMangHuo> xdliu: axhiao 没事儿啊, 这儿随便说话
[03:27] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 下午打电话要快递单号 =,=
[03:30] <archl> axhiao, xdliu 你们是大学生么
[03:30] <xdliu> axhiao 这个是研究僧
[03:31] <xdliu> 我是小学生`
[03:32] <archl> xdliu, 好吧。
[03:32] <xdliu> 从小学生抓起~
[03:32] <archl> 好久没见小学生了，之前的小学生都都升高中了还是考大学了
[03:33] <archl> xdliu, 。。。也就小学生能抓起来了。
[03:33] <archl> xdliu, 一般人力气只能抓起小学生
[03:33] <xdliu> 我还在小学生群里混。考不上初中
[03:33] <xdliu> 留级多了就来这里面长知识了。
[03:33] <archl> xdliu, ... 初中需要考？
[03:34] <archl> xdliu, 你是哪个国家的？
[03:35] <xdliu> 中国话这么好，当然是中国人了。。
[03:35] <xdliu> archl 你是外国人？
[03:35] <archl> xdliu, 你考不上私立初中？
[03:36] * archl 可以说是地球人
[03:36] <xdliu> 我先吃饭去了。初来乍到，我一程序猿而已
[03:36] <QiongMangHuo> 你球人都很奇怪
[03:37] <archl> QiongMangHuo, 都是qiong人
[03:37] <archl> QiongMangHuo, 说错了， 都是 qio 人
[03:37] <QiongMangHuo> 贵球人不穷, 我星才穷
[03:50] <^k^> 新 系统安装和升级 • 系统升级到15.04之后 就一直没办法插入添加的源的软件 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471355 Code: 命中 http://mirrors.aliyun.com vivid-proposed/main amd64 Packages 命中 http://mirrors.aliyun.com vivid-proposed/multiverse amd64 Packages 命中 http://mirrors.aliyun.com vivid-propose
[03:50] <^k^> ─> d/universe amd64 Packages 命中 http://mirrors.aliyun.com vivid-proposed/restricted i386 Packages 获取：6 http:// …
[03:51] <^k^> 新 编译或打包 • Deb打包直通车 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471356 开发程序后打包对新手还是个费时的事，偶试用“如意软件”整理了一个文本，可以一次性生成所须的各个文件，包括control,shell,菜单文件等，相当方便，最近另外将整个过程进行了屏幕录像解说（ http://www.tud
[04:03] <yunfan> archl: 初中确实需要考啊
[04:04] <archl> yunfan, 呃。我们那里不需要，除非你想跨区域。
[04:04] <ngkaho1234> archl: 什麼初中
[04:04] <archl> ngkaho1234, 呃。现在改名了。广文中学
[04:04] * QiongMangHuo 饿
[04:04] * ngkaho1234 oo.
[04:07] <archl> QiongMangHuo, 给我吃
[04:08] <ngkaho1234> archl: how old are you now?
[04:10] <sennn> 回来了....
[04:10] <xdliu> 吃饱了
[04:16] <sennn> money money come to papa...
[04:16] <ngkaho1234> ....
[04:17] <ngkaho1234> hahaha
[04:18] <QiongMangHuo> sennn: money money home 嘛呢嘛呢吽
[04:19] <ngkaho1234> QiongMangHuo: 厲害厲害
[04:19] <QiongMangHuo> ngkaho1234: 承让承让
[04:19] <ngkaho1234> 你看得見?
[04:19] <ngkaho1234> 你的客戶端是什麼鬼。
[04:19] <iMadper> lipo好难吃啊
[04:20] <QiongMangHuo> ngkaho1234: ?
[04:21] <iMadper> 越南鬼为啥会喜欢吃这种东西啊
[04:21] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 还阔以啊
[04:21] <sennn> lipo 是什麼?
[04:21] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: ... ...
[04:21] * ngkaho1234 wonders why QiongMangHuo can get those words.
[04:21] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 口感很差, 吃进去怪怪的
[04:21] <QiongMangHuo> ngkaho1234: get什么words
[04:22] <QiongMangHuo> ngkaho1234: 你被+q了?
[04:22] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 没. 他肯定没q
[04:22] <ngkaho1234> 我這排字明明是全綠
[04:22] <ngkaho1234> 你的客戶端有古怪。
[04:22] <ngkaho1234> 哈哈
[04:22] <iMadper> ngkaho1234: 又不是帽子, 绿了没事
[04:22] <QiongMangHuo> ngkaho1234: 哦 我在终端下
[04:22] <ngkaho1234> QiongMangHuo: 那也沒有道理
[04:22] <QiongMangHuo> ngkaho1234: 而且这个频道的颜色被关了, 别人看不到颜色
[04:23] <QiongMangHuo> ngkaho1234: freenode/#ubuntu-cn(+Ccnt)
[04:23] <ngkaho1234> ....
[04:23] <ngkaho1234> 好吧沒有注意
[04:23] * iMadper 赞老op
[04:23] <QiongMangHuo> ngkaho1234: 你自己自娱自乐呢...
[04:23] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 老弟, 你知道的够多的啊
[04:23] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 嗯那
[04:23] <ngkaho1234> QiongMangHuo: 我在另外一個頻道和一群人這樣玩
[04:24] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 我们现在支持drs吗?
[04:24] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: bug在我身上
[04:24] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 明晚还要跟bsci开会啊...
[04:24] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 人家昨晚问, 我们就没人知道... 说明晚告诉他
[04:25] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 要不邀请你来一起开会?
[04:25] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 我不开, 没时间
[04:29] <sennn> 我是神....
[04:34] <sennn> 棍
[04:38] <ngkaho1234> 在做ext4 symlink support.
[04:42] <sennn> 我正在吃飯
[04:42] <ngkaho1234> sennn: 還沒有吃
[04:43] <sennn> 我猜你中午吃蓋澆飯
[04:43] <sennn> 打算
[04:45] <sennn> 中華一神棍
[04:57] <sennn> windows
[04:58] * nyfair 高薪诚聘魔都理工科娘T，2k/m招募廉价程序猿
[04:58] <palomino|working> ...
[04:58] <palomino|working> 每日一招?
[04:59] <sennn> 廉價程序員......
[05:11] <Niac> 好热 好困 好像提前放假
[05:29] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 竟然是图片 http://i3.xiaohua.fd.zol-img.com.cn/t_s600x5000/g3/M03/00/07/Cg-4WFI2nSOIfW2bAAFIeC-65UAAALq6wBw9egAAUiQ773.gif 这个汉堡你敢吃吗
[05:36] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: http://www.cnbeta.com/articles/403849.htm
[05:36] <ubrl> ⇪ t: Android版黑莓Passport现身 传闻或成真_BlackBerry 黑莓_cnBeta.COM
[05:37] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 可以考虑
[05:39] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 办公室还有一包是中度烘培的
[05:41] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: ... ....
[05:41] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 额... ...
[05:41] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 早说啊
[05:41] <tryit> palomino|working, 这……亮了
[05:41] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 这个真是想受不了
[05:41] <iMadper> 享受不了
[05:41] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 额啥? 我又不认识俄文
[05:41] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 快去学
[05:41] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 学完了一起去
[05:41] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 不去, 嫌冷
[05:41] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: .. .渣渣
[05:42] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 开启寄生模式
[05:42] <palomino|working> 哪里亮了... tracyone
[05:42] <palomino|working> 哪里亮了... tryit
[05:42] <palomino|working> sorry指错 tracyone
[05:42] <tracyone> :-D
[05:42] <tracyone> 亮啥
[05:47] <palomino|working> 不知道呢... <tryit> palomino|working, 这……亮了
[05:49] <tryit> palomino|working, 日后再说同理嘛
[06:00] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.04 • [求助] 空白桌面 无法启用终端 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471357 硬件&系统： 联想b475 32位 win7 2G内存 双显卡 显卡型号是AMD Radeon HD 6480G 和AMD Radeon. HD 6470M 操作：用easybcd引导 硬盘安装ubuntu-14.04.2-desktop-i368.iso（此ISO的MD5值与官网给出的一样）联网安装 过
[06:03] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 到手这张恰好是我不准备开卡的
[06:10] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: yo
[06:10] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 无限卡?
[06:11] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 不是, master全币种白金
[06:11] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/bmiddle/70185be4jw1et87gtdwhaj20hs3p4wxh.jpg
[06:11] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: out
[06:11] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: ..
[06:12] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 0027收到了
[06:12] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 只一张？
[06:12] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 为啥最后批的最先到
[06:12] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 一起批的, 只不过缤纷生活查不到
[06:13] <BuMangHuo> 额度共享？
[06:13] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 不想开这张 我要电话申南航master白金
[06:13] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 应该是吧, 这张额度50K
[06:20] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 弄个百夫长黑卡?
[06:21] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 百夫长黑卡免年费貌似
[06:21] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 整不起
[06:21] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 免年费啊
[06:21] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 经常送单反, 送苹果产品等
[06:21] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 白送
[06:21] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 那都是被邀请的
[06:21] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 那你就让他们邀请一个嘛~
[06:21] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 跟他们说, 求个邀请码
[06:22] <QiongMangHuo> ...
[06:43] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 渣渣
[06:43] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 这酒店的网居然是免翻墙的
[06:44] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: ... ... 然后呢?
[06:44] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 你就可以开心的看大纪元了?
[06:44] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 我早就不看大纪元了
[06:44] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 东莞酒店设施好这个是众所周知的啊
[06:44] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 东莞毛
[06:44] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 樟木头
[06:45] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 你跟谁share room?
[06:45] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 跟我子集啊
[06:45] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 那你能叫服务了
[06:45] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 并不懂啊
[06:45] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 能算到房费里面去
[06:45] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 而且不会单独列出来
[06:45] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 还是很超值的
[06:45] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 别闹, 正规酒店
[06:46] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 都是正规酒店啊
[06:46] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 之前还有好多四星五星, 都是正规酒店啊
[06:46] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 老司机
[06:47] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 乖.
[06:47] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 老弟啊, 你要快快成长期来啊
[06:47] <iMadper> 起来啊
[06:47] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 求指导如何叫
[06:47] * QiongMangHuo 截图
[06:48] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 老司机你有wtf了?
[06:48] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 咩
[06:49] * O0XX|Qiong 这输入法真是耽误事情
[06:49] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 是啊.
[06:49] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 只能喷 happyaron 了啊
[06:50] <O0XX|Qiong> happyaron: 出来挨喷啦壕
[06:55] <gfxmode> 你们信用卡的额度好高，我只有17K
[06:55] * gfxmode 拜各位信用卡壕
[06:57] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 这个lipo怎么齁咸的
[06:58] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 啊???
[06:58] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 我刚吃了一个齁咸的
[06:58] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: lipo是山寨货, 但是也不至于是咸的啊
[06:58] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 你上火了吧?
[06:58] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 放糖放成盐了吗?
[06:59] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 母鸡啊
[07:03] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 正品叫做tipo. 一样难吃
[07:09] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 老死机
[07:17] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 去吃拉肠, 牛肉滑蛋
[07:17] <O0XX|Qiong> iMadper: 不能吃啊
[07:18] <iMadper> O0XX|Qiong: 牛肉都不行了?
[07:19] <Sevk> 新 启动和引导 • 有什么办法可以生成vmlinuz.efi http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471358 我的ubuntu下面只有vmlinuz，请问有没有什么办法可以生成vmlinuz.efi？？ zz: 217小月月坑 — 2015-06-18 15:19
[07:19] <ubrl> ⇪ t: 有什么办法可以生成vmlinuz.efi - 查看主题 • Ubuntu中文论坛 zz: 217小月月坑
[07:31] <yaguang> ／q
[07:42] <sennn> 有人嗎?
[07:46] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: bdw的cpu, 真省电
[07:46] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 续航nb
[07:46] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 开森
[07:46] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 赞赞哒
[07:46] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 买买买
[07:48] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 买个毛, 我正在用啊
[07:48] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 今年出skylake的标压吗?
[07:48] <Niac_> 感觉618都不怎么便宜啊
[07:48] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 上周才出bdw的标压
[07:49] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 不懂这些... 反正买不起
[07:49] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: ... ... 就是, 非低电压的cpu...
[07:50] <QiongMangHuo> iMadper: 我知道, 我只是不知道业界动态
[07:50] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 哦...
[08:14] * iMadper <小阴谋家> 真是本好书
[08:36] <^k^> 新 网卡问题以及网络和拨号 • 1404 Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205无法使用5G频段 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471359 默认选择2.4G iwconfig 更改channel或frequency报错 Error for wireless request "Set Frequency" (8B04) : SET failed on device wlan2 ; Device or resource busy. 请教各位大神 zz: tonyconan — 2015-06-18 16:24
[08:47] * tryit 有人做云计算相关的工作吗？
[08:51] <Niac_> 下班前的半个小时好漫长啊
[08:51] <gfxmode> Niac_: 贵厂下班好早
[08:52] <Niac_> 起得更早
[08:53] <xdliu> 是啊是啊
[08:54] <halenrain> hi,all
[08:54] <halenrain> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11734470/
[08:54] <ubrl> halenrain:点点点. 04:54
[08:54] <halenrain> ubrl:怎么解决哈
[08:54] <ubrl> halenrain,
[08:59] <halenrain> ubrl: /channel #linuxba
[08:59] <ubrl> halenrain, .. 休息一下 .. 04:59
[08:59] <QiongMangHuo> tryit: 拜高管
[08:59] <halenrain> ubrl: robot ?
[08:59] <ubrl> halenrain,
[09:00] <halenrain> ubrl: http://img.vim-cn.com/e8/43eea65586b6fddc766581e368dc342e8f1313.jpg
[09:00] <tryit> QiongMangHuo, 拜李老板
[09:01] <Niac_> sicp大法好
[09:02] <gfxmode> 今天被这个网站折腾死了，上传附件好多次失败 http://www.gdradio.gd.gov.cn/RSApply/Default.aspx
[09:02] <ubrl> gfxmode: ⇪ 无线电台站资料填报系统
[09:02] <halenrain> =-=
[09:04] <QiongMangHuo> tryit: 求发家致富
[09:06] <halenrain> ==
[09:08] <tryit> QiongMangHuo, 同求～
[09:09] <gfxmode> 铜球
[09:11] <iMadper> 同求
[09:13] <sennn> 房子 車子 票子 馬子....
[09:17] * O0XX|Qiong 夭寿啦!
[09:17] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 咋啦少年郎
[09:18] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 中行让我去拿粽子... 太一般
[09:19] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 理财经理长得太一般?
[09:19] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 理财经理是个大妈
[09:19] <O0XX|Qiong> QiongMangHuo: 斩之
[09:19] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 斩之
[09:20] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 老弟, 恭喜你又要+1了啊
[09:20] <QiongMangHuo> 你们.......
[09:20] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 不服?
[09:20] <QiongMangHuo> 我不像某人, 我挑
[09:20] * QiongMangHuo 黑得漂亮
[09:20] <iMadper> QiongMangHuo: 事儿多
[09:20] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 粽子？
[09:20] <iMadper> HowIsItGoing: 怎么不见你来吹水?
[09:20] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 带黑驴蹄子了么
[09:20] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 对 只是粽子...
[09:20] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 还没修好啊?
[09:20] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: +1 了？
[09:21] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 咋修啊
[09:21] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 什么鬼?
[09:21] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 找了一圈，找到了个烙铁， 没有焊锡...
[09:21] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howto/generic.flashing.tftp
[09:21] <ubrl> ⇪ t: Installing OpenWrt via TFTP [OpenWrt Wiki]
[09:21] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 正打算淘宝呢
[09:21] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 不需要ttl啊
[09:21] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 黑驴蹄子你都知道
[09:21] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 少年你厉害啊
[09:21] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 你的loader里面有tftp就行
[09:21] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 我不确定啊
[09:21] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 试试看咯
[09:22] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 咋试
[09:22] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 我的砖了就是这么修好了
[09:22] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 直接按照步骤操作, 能修好就支持呗
[09:22] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 不支持的话, 上传不上去, 也不会弄坏你的东西.
[09:22] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: iMadper ttl大法好
[09:22] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: connect to the bootloader, and tell it to get the images on your harddisk via its TFTP client (in case of the DIR-300 you obtain a connection via telnet on the non-default port 9000). Example:
[09:23] <BuMangHuo> 这还不是得 telnet 进去？
[09:24] <BuMangHuo> 靠，淘宝上烙铁这么贵
[09:26] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 不用, tftp都配一个默认的
[09:27] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 你就在你本机开一个tftp, 看看路由器起来会不会自动下载就
[09:27] <O0XX|Qiong> 行
[09:29] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 是的, 白老板说的对!
[09:33] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: O0XX|Qiong openwrt-ramips-mt7620-wt3020-8M-squashfs-factory.bin 我就把这个放到 tftp 服务器目录里面？
[09:33] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: tftpd-hpa 居家旅行必备
[09:33] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 我记得是.
[09:33] <BuMangHuo> 昂
[09:33] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 就刷过一次, 忘了
[09:33] <BuMangHuo> 但是 pc 的ip
[09:33] <BuMangHuo> 配多少呢
[09:41] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 要在dhcp server里设置
[09:41] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 或者你去windows下用个绿色版的tftp server 妥妥的
[09:44] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 那不是还是得在 pc 上配置个 ip？
[09:45] <BuMangHuo> 或者是开了 dhcp，然后 bootloader 里面的 tftp 会自动获取/
[09:50] <BuMangHuo> 是不是这路由器上门 reset 键坏的
[09:52] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 12.04 LTS • 求教程怎能么把ubuntu14.10.2安装在u盘上可以带着走 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471360 怎么把系统装在U盘上，U盘要格式化么格式化成什么格式，现在系统是win8.1uefi启动的，要怎么装求详细教程本人属于小白类型的，这样想用的时候插上U盘 usb启动就好了 我准
[09:52] <^k^> ─> 备用SanDisk cz48 16G的 zz: fangjh13 — 2015-06-18 16:52
[09:54] <jackness> 悲剧啊
[09:54] <jackness> 我的wmware坏了
[09:55] <jackness> 用不了linux了
[09:55] <^k^> 新 虚拟机和虚拟化 • Ubuntu安装vmware workstation后无法启动service http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471361 安装vmware workstation后终端运行vmware,弹出“vmware kernel module updater”对话框，提示“Before you can run vmware,several modules must be compiled and loaded into the running kernel”, 点击“install”按钮，最
[09:55] <^k^> ─> 终提示service不能启动。 virtual machine communication interface failed virtual ethernet failed 本人新手 …
[09:57] <jackness> 额。。。我一说虚拟机坏了就报这样的帖子了啊？
[09:58] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: iMadper QiongMangHuo 不自动开始下载啊
[09:59] <^k^> 新 虚拟机和虚拟化 • Ubuntu安装vmware workstation后无法启动service http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471361 安装vmware workstation后终端运行vmware,弹出“vmware kernel module updater”对话框，提示“Before you can run vmware,several modules must be compiled and loaded into the running kernel”, 点击“install”按钮，最
[09:59] <^k^> ─> 终提示service不能启动。 virtual machine communication interface ------------failed virtual ethernet ------- …
[10:00] <BuMangHuo> GND 焊到 usb 壳上就可以吧
[10:05] <BuMangHuo> http://snakelab.cc/2014/12/05/howto_flash_openwrt_on_wt3020.html
[10:05] <ubrl> ⇪ f: Howto flash OpenWrt on Nexx WT3020
[10:06] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: screen 还能连串口？
[10:06] <QiongMangHuo> BuMangHuo: 知道啥叫tty不?
[10:12] <xxashxx> how to use ipsec in ubuntu?
[10:12] <xxashxx> who is duyue
[10:47] <^k^> 取新帖 timeout
[11:02] <Guest17541> 大家好
[11:03] <ubrl> Guest17541:点点点. 07:03
[11:03] <Guest17541> 我想请教大家一下啊，如何参与社区开发
[11:14] <^k^> 逛了一下论坛,暂时无新贴.
[11:24] <jackness> 大家晚上好啊！
[11:24] <jackness> 你们都吃饭了吗？
[11:44] <happyaron> 要喷我的人都下线了，艾玛
[12:22] <jackness> happyaron: 你在做什么啊？
[12:33] <BuMangHuo> happyaron: 啥
[13:27] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 15.04 • 练习路由器架设问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471362 鸟哥的服务器篇，大家是怎么练习路由器架设的。。。求大神回答下 zz: 仅此v而已 — 2015-06-18 21:17
[13:47] <jackness> 你们晚上都忙些什么啊？
[14:04] <jackness> 你们都没空聊天啊
[14:04] <jackness> 好忙啊！
[21:41] <FishOneeyed> 没有人在了？
[21:41] <FishOneeyed> 都睡觉了？
[21:43] <archl> FishOneeyed, 睡醒了
[23:59] <^k^> 新 因特网相关软件 • 有沒有人用GNU Kiwix下載過英文Wikipedia全詞條數據庫？ http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=471372 我想把英文版Wikipedia下載到電腦以便隨時查閱，查到有個叫「Kiwix」的GNU軟件有這功能（據說開發它就是為了方便那些上網條件差、經常坐飛機、不容易上Wikipedia網站
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[06:29] <avi__> how to run strace on click package? run it on qmlscene dosnt work. i got this "connection to Mir server failed "
[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[07:22] <seb128> hey dholbach
[07:26] <dholbach> hey seb128
[07:58] <mardy> seb128: glad to see that I'm not the only one being confused by the latest blog posts about GU
[08:00] <seb128> mardy, :-)
[09:21] <dpm> popey, do you have a fat package with amd64 for dekko?
[09:22] <DanChapman> dpm do you want a fat or just an amd64 click?
[09:22] <dpm> hey DanChapman!
[09:23] <dpm> DanChapman, actually I'm just after an amd64 click
[09:23] <dpm> either would do
[09:24] <DanChapman> dpm morning. here is an amd64 click http://dekko-ci.cloudapp.net:8080/job/dev-trunk-build/releasetype=Release,target=amd64/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/dekko.dekkoproject_0.5.4_amd64.click
[09:24] <dpm> awesome
[09:48] <karni> zbenjamin: t1mp: not sure who would own that one - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1466410
[09:49] <karni> I followed instructions on d.u.c, still didn't get the expected result when a Repeater is used to generate tabs.
[09:55] <karni> page head sections don't scroll, they just overflow when don't fit screen width
[10:00] <nik90> karni: regarding the page head sections, thats why the SDK recommends a max of 3 head sections.
[10:01] <nik90> karni: in the new design, they will start scrolling..but that will most likely be only in ubuntu.components 1.3 (wily)
[10:01] <karni> nik90: yes, I know they recommend. it should be _requirement_ if it's not more flexible ;)
[10:01] <karni> nik90: I see :)
[10:01] <nik90> :)
[10:07] <karni> Is there any way I could overlay the MainView / PageStack header with a slide-in pane (full height, from the left)?
[10:07] <karni> It seems that page sections is always on top, and so is header title
[10:11] <dubstar_04> Is there a document with all the ui elements on? I know what i want to use i just don't know the name of the component.
[10:12] <karni> dubstar_04: this can be helpful https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components/
[10:13] <dubstar_04> karni Thanks. I was hoping there was something visual.
[10:14] <t1mp> dubstar_04: there is the ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery, included in the ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples package
[10:15] <dubstar_04> like this: https://developer.ubuntu.com/static/devportal_uploaded/83fb1edc-d5f3-47da-b486-a4e4e29c1cbd-59473339-35bc-48da-874f-0b8ff797194e-media/2015/04/15/sdk2-blog.jpg
[10:16] <t1mp> dubstar_04: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-ui-toolkit-examples && cd /usr/lib/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery && qmlscene ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery.qml
[10:16] <DanChapman> dubstar_04: yes either search "Ubuntu UI Toolkit" in the dash or go "Tools -> Ubuntu -> Showcase gallery" in QtCreator
[10:16] <dubstar_04> thank you.
[10:18] <DanChapman> :-)
[10:19] <dpm> popey, have you managed to install click packages on the unity 8 session? When I try myself, I get a "cannot get authentication" message, regardless of if I try it from the host or from within the session
[10:20] <dpm> DanChapman, in the meantime, as it seems I can't install .clicks on the unity8 session, do you happen to have recent .deb builds of dekko?
[10:20] <dpm> IIRC there was a PPA
[10:21] <popey> dpm: hmm, let me see, i tried your ppa when you mentioned it, noticed a couple of busted builds
[10:21] * popey reboots
[10:21] <DanChapman> dpm: no sorry there is no debs. The ppa version was set up to build the 0.3 branch, so it's pretty old now.
[10:22] <dpm> popey, yeah, neither file manager nor clock built. I couldn't figure out why, but at least one of them looked to me to be a builder issue.
[10:23] <dpm> I'd rather install clicks, but I don't seem to be able to
[10:23] <popey> yeah, me too
[10:23] <popey> (would rather, that is)
[10:23] <popey> dpm: do you get the swipe tutorial every time you login to unity8?
[10:24] <dpm> DanChapman, no worries. Is the development branch imported into LP. I could trigger a daily build on a PPA from that
[10:24] <popey> dpm: http://people.canonical.com/~alan/core_apps_daily_clicks/ btw
[10:24] <dpm> popey, yeah, I get the swipe tutorial too, I reported it and listed it as known issues here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[10:24] <popey> ok
[10:25] <DanChapman> karni, can't you just raise the slide in panels z order to get it to go over the top of the title & sections?
[10:25] <dpm> popey, ah, cool, will grab them from there. But it wasn't clear to me: can you or can you not install clicks on your own unity8 session?
[10:26] <karni> DanChapman: tried that. set z: 100, title & sections still on top of it. I tried to put an element outside of MainView (regardless if that was a good idea in context of rotation), but that got a syntax error.
[10:26] <popey> dpm: yeah, booting now, not got to that yet
[10:26] <dpm> ah, no worries
[10:26] <DanChapman> dpm, I would need to sort out the install paths first. It's only setup for click installs atm
[10:28] <dpm> DanChapman, no worries. If click installs are busted in the unity8 session, then we can also wait until they're fixed. I was just very impatient to test dekko on a big monitor alongside the other core apps ;)
[10:28] <popey> dpm: I get "Failed to obtain authentication"
[10:28] <dpm> popey, same here
[10:28] <popey> you're using pkcon, right?
[10:28] <dpm> yeah
[10:28] <popey> ah!
[10:29] <popey> "alan is not in the sudoers file"
[10:29] <popey> that wont help
[10:29] <popey> (I suspect)
[10:29] <dpm> but pkcon is executed without sudo, isn't it?
[10:29] <popey> it is
[10:29] <popey> but suggests to me something else is awry related
[10:32] <mcphail> dpm: if it is any consolation, dekko runs very well on a big monitor and standard unity7 :)
[10:32] <dpm> :-)
[10:32] <popey> looks like pkcon is failing when doing a makedev
[10:38] <dpm> popey, bug 1466432
[10:44] <DanChapman> karni, http://paste.ubuntu.com/11734774/ is the only way i can get it to overlay the header fully
[10:45] <karni> DanChapman: superb, thank you :))
[11:29] <kalikiana> t1mp: small branch good for a short break https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/3guTextHandler/+merge/260970 another easy one https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/unitTestApiCheck/+merge/260348
[11:31] <kalikiana> Mirv: qt5.5.0 build fix https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/stateSaverUrlType/+merge/262319
[11:47] <Mirv> kalikiana: cool! I'm trying it out right away.
[12:07] <dubstar_04> Are there any good tutorials on QML layout? I'm getting mixed up with Columns, Rows and Anchors.
[12:09] <voldyman> how can i make the system a wireless hotspot, can't find an api for it
[12:18] <kalikiana> brendand: would you take another look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/autoPilotConverge/+merge/261658
[12:18] <kalikiana> voldyman: you can't right now
[12:22] <voldyman> kalikiana: so is there a way?
[12:23] <voldyman> just do something like os.system ?
[12:23] <kalikiana> voldyman: no, the only option I'm aware of is usb networking
[12:24] <ogra_> someone should add a toogle for that in system-settings ;)
[12:24] <ogra_> (usb i mean)
[12:24] <voldyman> usb networking?
[12:24] <kalikiana> ogra_: +1
[12:24] <kalikiana> voldyman: you know, 90s style cable plugged in :-D
[12:24] <voldyman> :/
[12:25] * voldyman was building an "Internet of Things" applicance
[12:25] <kalikiana> voldyman: you could maybe route through ssh, depending on what you need
[12:26] <voldyman> all i wanted to do is to just have a button that it switches to hotspot mode and once the user is done with it it connects to a access point
[12:27] * ogra_ thinks what you might want is ubuntu snappy instead :)
[12:27] <voldyman> ogra_: that won't make anything easier, or would it?
[12:28] <voldyman> snappy would be nice for updates and stuff but the API's would be the same
[12:28] <ogra_> it gives you more abilities to manage hardware access etc ... the current phone is really only designed ot be a phone ... it will swithc to a snappy base soon
[12:28] <voldyman> oh wait, how does the phone create a wifi hotspot?
[12:28] <ogra_> also snap packages are way more flecible (but also more restrcited) than click packlages
[12:28] <voldyman> kalikiana: IIRC you work on ubuntu phone for your day job?
[12:29] <kalikiana> voldyman: yeah. ui toolkit/ sdk/ qml components
[12:29] <voldyman> kalikiana: do you know any person that might have dealt with something related to what i am dealing with?
[12:32] <voldyman> or point me to the ubuntu phone source code(s)
[12:32] <popey> source for which bit?
[12:33] <voldyman> the wifi manager
[12:33] <voldyman> i just need to see the part where it deals with the wifi
[12:33] <popey> https://launchpad.net/indicator-network
[12:33] * voldyman needs to list the wifi networks available, connect to them and switch between AP mode and client mode
[12:34] <voldyman> thanks popey
[12:34] <voldyman> btw nice podcast! :)
[12:34] <kalikiana> I'm just checking the bugs.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/?field.searchtext=hotspot somehow it suggests the hotspot feature exists, yet I don't have it on my bq
[12:34] <popey> heh, thanks
[12:34] <voldyman> popey: any plans of changing the music ;)
[12:34] <popey> voldyman: i think some network manager changes are in the works based on designs from mpt
[12:35] <popey> voldyman: NEVER!
[12:35] <voldyman> :)
[12:37] <voldyman> hey guys i only see include files no implementation, src folder is empty, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-network/trunk.15.10/files/head:/src/connectivity-api/connectivity-cpp/
[12:38] <Mirv> kalikiana: that fix seems good to land, even though there's still another bug that I just filed about install_plugins_qmltypes - but the fact that next bug is there means all unit tests passed (also on armhf) so that's good news
[12:39] <kalikiana> Mirv: link? I'll check the other one
[12:40] <Mirv> kalikiana: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1466484 I'm just trying a build locally so I can see what it hides with that 2> /dev/null
[12:41] <kalikiana> ah
[12:41] <kalikiana> the hotspot ui is hidden (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1421583/comments/5)
[12:43] <kalikiana> gah, gotta be careful, the nexus is so slippery
[12:45] <kalikiana> voldyman: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/files/head:/plugins/cellular/
[12:45] <voldyman> kalikiana: <3
[12:45] <kalikiana> brb
[12:48] <popey> dholbach: I have tried that offline maps app and it doesn't work (on any device). Do you have contact details for the guys, would be good to let him know.
[12:50] <dholbach> popey, I used his email address from the list - let me PM it to you
[12:51] <popey> thanks
[12:55] <Mirv> kalikiana: hmm weird, it build locally just fine, but the ALARM_BACKEND=memory /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qmlplugindump -notrelocatable Ubuntu.Components 0.1 ../../ failed on all archs on the PPA builders :( harder to debug at least.
[12:59] <mivoligo> dubstar_04: IMHO the best way to learn QML is to look into others code ;) Some basic video tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4utTBcSjdM&list=PLB22HyVdO1GkLFrvRi5vIo5XcWS0EflxD
[13:02] <mivoligo> dubstar_04: here's also good explanation: http://qmlbook.github.io/en/ch04/index.html#positioning-elements
[13:03] <popey> its quite alarming (huh) that clock and reminders fat packages are approximately the same size
[13:03] <dubstar_04> brilliant!! Thank you.
[13:16] <Mirv> kalikiana: updated bug #1466484 with the error gotten after removing the "2>/dev/null" from qmlplugindump.. but that doesn't happen locally :(
[13:45] <karni> DanChapman: hey buddy. I had time now to check your snippet http://paste.ubuntu.com/11734774/ - however, I'm not seeing the panel at all. am I missing something? I took your QML as is and ran that on the phone.
[13:47] <DanChapman> karni :-) you can drag it in from the left of the screen
[13:48] <DanChapman> ahh you ran it on the phone
[13:48] <karni> it seems I'm hitting the edge gesture
[13:48] <DanChapman> that would be why.
[13:48] <karni> I see
[13:49] <karni> But I can use something else than a panel, and just play with animated width
[13:49] <DanChapman> I should have just used a rectangle instead of a panel :_)
[13:49] <karni> DanChapman: silly me. that's a good start :)
[13:51] <karni> DanChapman: score :)! Thanks a lot :)
[14:11] <dpm> popey, bug 1466518 - I've marked it to medium instead of low, as while we're not using the .deb packages, people could use them to test convergent designs/behaviour on a unity7 session
[14:12] <popey> dpm: yeah, I'll take a look at that
[14:13] <dpm> popey, not urgent or anything, just a heads up that I filed the bug as we talked about it earlier
[14:13] <popey> yup yup
[14:17] <dubstar_04> I'm trying to get a layout like Column { OptionSelector {} Row {Label{} TextField{} }} and its not working.
[14:21] <ogra_> balloons, meet dubstar_04 (daniel wood from the ML ;) ) ^^^
[14:21] <ogra_> (noticing that he still has no developer talking to him)
[14:22] <dubstar_04> ogra_ i don't understand?
[14:22] <ogra_> dubstar_04, you are daniel, or not ?
[14:23] <dubstar_04> yes, that is me?
[14:23] <ogra_> well, given the mailing list thread and your concerns yesterday that you never get an answer when asking here i thought i should push it a bit ;)
[14:24] <ogra_> dubstar_04, ballons is nicolas skaggs ...
[14:24] <ogra_> i thoguht i'd introduce you too
[14:24] <ogra_> *two
[14:25] <dubstar_04> Ah ok. I don't want to be a nuisance to the devs, I know they are all busy trying to build a new platform and don't really want bothering with my silly questions. It would be nice to get some help thought!!
[14:25] <ogra_> dubstar_04, you are no nuisance for anyone .. the reason we do development in public IRC channels is that everyone can ask questions and get help :)
[14:25] <dubstar_04> balloons is nicolas. Ok now your message makes more sense!!
[14:26] <ogra_> heh
[14:27] <ogra_> just idle a little here, i guess you'll get an answer soon
[14:28] <mcphail> dubstar_04: the other advantage of doing this in the open is complete amateurs like me can lurk and soak in the help. I'm interested in the answer to your question as I've found some components don't respect the column layout
[14:28] <mcphail> (or rather, they may respect it but I'm doing it wrong)
[14:32] <dropp> Hi. In the Ubuntu SDK Qml+C++ example; how can I get the mainView object to connect a QML signal to a C++ slot? All examples do this in main(), which is not how the SDK example works.
[14:33] <dubstar_04> mcphail I completely understand what you mean.
[14:42] <balloons> hey guys
[14:42] <ogra_> :)
[14:43] <balloons> dubstar_04, can you paste the qml you are trying so we can figure out what's wrong?
[14:49] <nik90> dubstar_04: hey there..let me try to help as well :)
[14:50] <dropp> anyone has an idea for my question as well? :)
[14:50] <nik90> dubstar_04: best way to get help is either a sample app which you need troubleshooting or paste.ubuntu.com it
[14:51] <nik90> dropp: lol..let me create a sampel qml c++ example.
[14:51] <nik90> dropp: I presume you chose the QML App with C++ plugin (cmake) ?
[14:53] <nik90> dropp: generally if it is a public slot that you defined in your c++ plugin, you should be able to call it as pluginname.slotname()
[14:54] <dropp> nik90: yes, that's correct.
[14:54] <nik90> dropp: in the SDK template example, you see them access myType.helloWorld
[14:54] <dropp> nik90: I defined a signal in the QML file and wantto connect it to a C++ slot
[14:55] <dropp> nik90: I assumed I have to connect ot from C++?
[14:55] <nik90> if your signal is called "signal clicked()" for instance .. you could do
[14:55] <nik90> onClicked: { myType.slotFunction() }
[14:55] <nik90> this way everytime your signal is called, the c++ slot is called
[14:55] <nik90> that's one way of doing it
[14:56] <dropp> okay, will it send a signal or just call the slot?
[14:57] <nik90> well when you signal is fired, the signal will take care of calling the slot.
[14:57] <nik90> so in your qml side, you will need to ensure that your signal is called appropriately
[14:57] <dropp> nik90: let me try
[15:02] <dropp> nik90: i think it doesn't work. QML assumes when I write "onClicked: { ... }" that there is a C++ slot called clicked() (Q_PROPERTY style). This is what I get:
[15:02] <dropp> nik90: Cannot assign to non-existent property "onClicked"
[15:03] <dropp> eh sorry, I mean a C++ signal called clicked()
[15:03] <nik90> I think you're confusing between signals and slots. Slots are functions defined in the c++ plugin that you can call to perform a certain task while signals are used to tracks events.
[15:03] <nik90> i think it is better you describe what you want to do rather how to debug your issue.
[15:03] <dropp> sorry, yes, I corrected myself.
[15:04] <dubstar_04> Hi balloons I don't have it with me. Its on my machine at home. Sorry.
[15:04] <dropp> Okay, one sec
[15:04] <nik90> I mentioned that you need to define a signal() in the qml end and then use that to call the c++ plugin slot.
[15:05] <nik90> so if you didn't define the signal in your qml code, then when you try onClicked: {} it is going to complain that it is missing.
[15:07] <dropp> nik90: yes, i defined the signal via "signal clicked();"
[15:07] <dropp> nik90: consider this example: http://andrew-jones.com/blog/qml2-to-c-and-back-again-with-signals-and-slots/ there is a section called "Emitting a signal from QML and listening to it from C++"
[15:07] <dropp> nik90: this is exactly what I want to do, except that I don't have the mainView object to connect them
[15:08] <dropp> QObject::connect(window, SIGNAL(submitTextField(QString)), &handleTextField, SLOT(handleSubmitTextField(QString)));
[15:08] <dropp> I don't have the "window" object in the SDK example
[15:09] <nik90> hmm yes I see
[15:10] <dropp> It would be great if I could connect it from the QML side. I defined the signal though, yet it still complains as described above.
[15:13] <nik90> dropp: Here's what's I tried...http://paste.ubuntu.com/11735792/ ... calling the signal in the qml end worked for me
[15:32] <popey> mzanetti: meeting?
[15:34] <mzanetti> popey, coming
[15:57] <didrocks> zsombi: hey, small question about our TextField implementation. I can see in the API that we have maximumLength property as well, but it doesn't seem to do anything (contrary to the same example with QtQuick.Controls 1.3), is that known? (I'm using Ubuntu.Components 1.2)
[16:01] <didrocks> zsombi: forget me, seems to have been my bad :)
[16:06] <popey> nik90: when do you want r280 uploaded?
[16:18] <nik90> popey: that's your call
[16:19] <nik90> popey: I have a few others MPs to merge to trunk now that the update has been approved.
[16:19] <popey> nik90: oh, okay. I'll upload it in a little bit today then
[16:19] <nik90> cool
[16:19] <popey> thanks nik90
[16:20] <nik90> popey: looks like the new icon will be revealed with the update :)
[16:20] <popey> nope
[16:20] <nik90> oh :P
[16:20] <popey> I am ripping that out and rebuilding the click right now :)
[16:20] <nik90> damn it .. shouldn't have said anything. ;)
[16:20] <popey> oh, I was on it :)
[16:20] <popey> they dont want them going in retail devices till OTA5
[16:21] <popey> so I have a mental note to do this every time
[16:21] * popey is now automating this
[16:21] <nik90> ah ok..yeah changing them all in one go with OTA-5 will provide a completely fresh experience I guess
[16:21] <popey> ya
[16:22] <rhuddie> hi, I'm looking for a way to be able to delete an sms or mms message that I receive during a test, without using the UI to do it. Is there a dbus api I can use to do this?
[16:32] * popey hugs zbenjamin
[16:58] <popey> nik90: do you have a changelog apread prepared from r192 to r280?
[16:58] <popey> (for the store)
[16:59] <popey> there's like a thousand bugs fixed in this ㋛
[17:02] * popey makes http://pad.ubuntu.com/ClockAppChangeLog
[17:04] <dubstar_04> balloons is your still about this is the code: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11736334/
[17:06] <nik90> popey: http://pad.ubuntu.com/clock-app-changelog
[17:07] <nik90> popey: wouldn't that work?
[17:08] <nik90> popey: nvr mind..I see your more compact and cleaner changelog
[17:09] <zbenjamin> popey: huh?
[17:10] <zbenjamin> popey: what was the hug for?
[17:10] <dubstar_04> could anyone tell me how to get the textfield to fill the rest of the space? http://paste.ubuntu.com/11736334/
[17:10] <nik90> dubstar_04: if you give me 5 mins I can :)
[17:11] <popey> zbenjamin: just a hug of appreciation
[17:11] <DanChapman> awww
[17:11] <popey> nik90: yeah, nobody reads them anyway :)
[17:11] <dubstar_04> nik90 i'm just about to put my daughter in bed. I will be back later. Thank you.
[17:13] * zbenjamin hugs popey back :D
[17:13] <popey> \o/
[17:15] <popey> nik90: done
[17:15] <nik90> \o/
[17:15] <popey> Thanks for the hard work!
[17:15] <nik90> wow clock is 12.8 mb? since when?
[17:15] <popey> fat package
[17:15] <nik90> np :)
[17:15] <nik90> ah yes
[17:16] <dpm> literally fat :)
[17:16] <nik90> :P
[17:16] <popey> adb shell sudo rm -rf /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.clock/current/lib/*86*
[17:16] <popey> :)
[17:17] <nik90> popey: is this something snappy might do in the future?
[17:17] <nik90> s/might/will
[17:17] <popey> oh god, you'll wake ogra_
[17:17] <popey> telling us how snappy fixes everything
[17:17] <nik90> oh boy I woke the giant
[17:17] <ogra_> snappy will fix everything
[17:17] <popey> BINGO!
[17:22] <nik90> dubstar_04: this should make you happy ;) paste.ubuntu.com/11736334/
[17:22] <balloons> nik90, wins :-)
[17:22] <nik90> balloons: ?
[17:23] <nik90> dubstar_04: sry, this one http://paste.ubuntu.com/11736432/ .. (wrong link before)
[17:23] <dpm> ogra_, now that we've got your attention... :) Quick question about the ancient click and dpkg technologies: so I'm trying to install a .click on the unity8 LXC container, which fails. Then I tried to see if it can be installed on a unity7 session, where I'm getting this error - do you happen to know why it's failing complaining about dpkg?
[17:24] <dpm> ogra_, as per http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11736394/
[17:24] <ogra_> because click uses dpkg for unpacking i think
[17:25] <dpm> popey, so I gave the dekko installation another go, but this time from my unity7 session. I didn't succeed, but this time I know at least why it's stalled: it's trying to show the sudo graphical prompt and it can't
[17:25] <ogra_> i dont really know the details of click
[17:25] <nik90> balloons: btw I'm reviewing your branch..I might not understand the CMakeParserPlugin.py stuff..but I will test the whole thing out and comment in the MP
[17:25] <dpm> ogra_, nm, thank you anyway
[17:25] <ogra_> dpm, sergiusens might know more than I
[17:25] <dubstar_04> nik90 how do isend hugs??
[17:25] <dpm> sergiusens, would you be able to help with this? ^^
[17:26] <dpm> sergiusens, essentially, it's about bug 1466432
[17:26] <nik90> dubstar_04: lol..just enjoy..feel free to ping me in case you hit any other road bumps.
[17:26] <balloons> nik90, awesome.
[17:26] <balloons> more or less things should be better / easier for building and running the tests now
[17:27] <dubstar_04> are row layouts in the sdk docs?
[17:27] <nik90> balloons: ok. btw I need some help with the transition to the 15.04 framework..the AP tests are failing because the MainView is incorrectly referenced now in the clock app tests.
[17:27] <DanChapman> dubstar_04: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtquicklayouts-index.html
[17:28] <nik90> dubstar_04: I don't think so..usually I just use upstream qt docs when using qt components. as simple as that.
[17:28] <dubstar_04> thanks DanChapman
[17:28] <dubstar_04> thanks nik90
[17:28] <dpm> hi jdstrand, would you be able to comment on the apparmor part of bug 1466009?
[17:29] <nik90> dubstar_04: also the upstream qt docs that DanChapman linked are very well displayed with good styling that I like very much.
[17:29] <kass117> hello . I have a bq 4.5 . how can I test my first "hello word" application using my phone .
[17:31] <nik90> kass117: hello. I suggest you take a look at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/ to get started.
[17:33] <sergiusens> dpm: ogra_ nik90 i'm just guessing, but you may not have a click database initialized
[17:33] <nik90> sergiusens: ? .. I think you meant popey
[17:34] <sergiusens> nik90: maybe, I haven't really read the backlog in detail :-P
[17:34] <dpm> sergiusens, thanks. In case it's that, how do you initialize one?
[17:34] <sergiusens> nik90: btw, what happened to flashback?
[17:35] <nik90> sergiusens: its in deep slumber atm..
[17:35] <dpm> sergiusens, I did then run 'click install', as per the suggestion on the original failure message, but that didn't work either (btw, what's the recommendation, to use pkcon or click install?) -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11736490/
[17:35] <nik90> sergiusens: I just felt like contributing to projects which has more than 1 person ... makes it more interesting
[17:35] <dpm> good news for podbird :-)
[17:36] <nik90> sergiusens: with flashback I got to worry about everything..and also it required massive rewrite due to API v2 and local data caching.
[17:36] <nik90> dpm: ;)
[17:38] <popey> nik90: shame really, flashback is one of those apps we loved to show off to people
[17:38] <sergiusens> dpm: pkcon install won't work unless you have the right security polkit bits setup
[17:38] <popey> sergiusens: That's what we're missing - and no idea how to set that up
[17:38] <sergiusens> popey: dpm https://click.readthedocs.org/en/latest/databases.html
[17:39] <nik90> popey: hopefully podbird will take over that need
[17:39] <popey> podbird is also awesome of course :)
[17:40] <dpm> sergiusens, and on the question of using pkcon install-local vs. click install? What's the recommended tool?
[17:40] <popey> well, given running click tells you to run pkcon :)
[17:41] <popey> it feels like there's some fu being done on the click based touch images which isn't being done on the unity8lxc image
[17:41] <sergiusens> popey: dpm you would need to setup the polkit rules, check the phone, under /etc/polkit something
[17:42] <sergiusens> popey: dpm and I think the right bits for polkit are in lxc-android-config
[17:43] <dpm> popey, well, what confused me was the other way round: pkcon tells you to use click: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11736394/
[17:43] <dpm> L24
[17:44] <popey> thats a red herring
[17:44] <popey> dodgy click package IMO
[17:44] <popey> you need to be doing the install inside the container
[17:44] <popey> oh, you are?
[17:45] <dpm> popey, I tried it inside the container, it failed on "Waiting for authentication". Then I tried outside to see if it'd work (I didn't expect it to), and that's that pastebin ^
[17:46] <popey> waiting on authentication is basically "where's the sudo prompt"
[17:46] <dpm> exactly
[17:46] <dpm> and it shows the prompt on a unity7 session, but not on a unity8 one
[17:46] <popey> if you do it via ssh then use the unity8-setup maint thing, it _does_ prompt you for your sudo password
[17:46] <popey> just not from inside the terminal on the machine
[17:46] <popey> not sure how you're getting a graphical prompt
[17:47] <dpm> popey, I'm not sure why you're using unity8-setup to install clicks
[17:47] <popey> because I had no terminal on it
[17:47] <dpm> popey, you mean lxc-console
[17:47] <popey> so ssh'ed in to the machine than used the unity8 script to get "into" the lxc
[17:47] <popey> yes
[17:48] <dpm> ok, gotcha.
[17:48] <dpm> yeah, I've tried all these options
[17:48] <popey> but, I agree with sergiusens, we need the polkit bits
[17:48] <dpm> seems like it, yes
[17:48] <dpm> sergiusens, does this look like what would be needed to have installed? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/11736562/
[17:49] <dpm> doesn't seem to list any polkit rules, though
[17:50] <popey> yeah, no mention of PolicyKit or polkit through the source package
[17:51] <dpm> the policykit-1 package seems to include the contents of what's under /etc/polkit
[17:59] <kalikiana> I wonder if you could take a look if I'm missing something here... https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/orientationManual/+merge/254753 I can't make tests/autopilot/ubuntuuitoolkit/tests/components/test_popover.py work, it reliably hits the wrong button, small instead of huge, that is true even if I replace the test case so it's not
[17:59] <kalikiana> a simple race condition
[17:59] <kalikiana> ^^ brendand
[18:33] <sergiusens> popey: looking at the phone now, but yeah, polkit bits are gone
[19:39] <nik90> balloons: commented on your MR. minor confusion but otherwise looks good.
[19:41] <balloons> nik90, for your paste, how did you build it?
[19:43] <nik90> balloons: on a vivid desktop
[19:44] <balloons> I meant the location. You still have to build it; it simply doesn't matter where you do so
[19:44] <nik90> balloons: I called cmake and make right from the root directory without creating any special builddir
[19:44] <balloons> nik90, ahh indeed
[19:45] <nik90> balloons: reading your MP description, I got the impression that a special builddir wasn't necessary. I am fine with it, just wondering if that's what you expected.
[19:46] <balloons> nik90, I expected you to be able to build in whatever folder you wish
[19:46] <balloons> so you are correct.
[19:47] <nik90> ok
[19:48] <balloons> let me merge trunk and check
[19:49] <nik90> dubstar_04: you might want to use paste.ubuntu.com to paste stuff.
[19:50] <balloons> queue bzr love
[19:51] <balloons> nik90, indeed so something isn't quite right. I guess I should look closer
[19:52] <nik90> balloons: if you want you could do that in the next MP and let this be only about the Emulators.py to __init.py__ change
[19:52] <balloons> nik90, ohh lol, I see the issue. Curious how that got reverted
[19:52] <nik90> ah cool
[19:53] <balloons> boom works.. let me try a few different ways of building to make doubly sure
[19:53] <nik90> ok...ping me when you're done and I will test and approve.
[19:53] <nik90> also changelog pls :)
[19:54] <balloons> I updated the changelog already so ;-)
[19:56] <nik90> karni: hey, I know you are EOD, but pls do ping me tomorrow when you're free.
[19:56] <karni> nik90: I'm not EOD :) what's up?
[19:56] * karni still @work
[19:56] <nik90> karni: oh .. you work late ;)
[19:56] <karni> I'm quite busy these days
[19:57] <nik90> karni: anyway I wanted to help migrate telegram over to ubuntu-sdk-15.04 in order to use the new sdk listitems. It will greatly help with performance issues IMO.
[19:57] <nik90> karni: however I seem to be out of touch with the whole building and testing telegram. I might need help with that.
[20:09] <balloons> nik90, so how do things work now if you use the SDK to build the app?
[20:10] <balloons> nik90, basically the changes mean the tests read the cmakelists.txt.user file and find the build dir. Then go looking inside of it for what needs to be launched. I noticed when the SDK does it's out of tree build, things seem a bit off
[20:12] <nik90> balloons: What do you mean by using the sdk to build the app? I just open the cmakelist which it then uses to build the app and deploy to the phone to run it.
[20:13] <balloons> nik90, I simply meant, rather than using cmake from the command line, instead let the sdk build it
[20:13] * balloons compares
[20:13] <nik90> balloons: ah ok..hmm I could try that..
[20:13] <balloons> that doesn't seem to work as it doesn't put the qml in the build folder
[20:14] <nik90> balloons: I know that when I build stuff using the SDK, it creates a builddir outside my project directory and goes about its buisness
[20:14] <balloons> yea.. weird, it looks the same
[20:14] <balloons> ok
[20:14] <nik90> yea at some point my cmake understanding goes out of the window when it does stuff like that
[20:14] <balloons> lol
[20:15] <nik90> shall I start to test your branch?
[20:15] <nik90> all pushed
[20:15] <nik90> ?
[20:15] <balloons> 1 sec
[20:15] <balloons> pushed rev 288
[20:15] * nik90 tests
[20:17] <balloons> argh, bzr keeps wiping my stuff
[20:29] <balloons> nik90, I can say it's not doing what I want it to
[20:29] <nik90> balloons: it works from root, but when I create a builddir it fails http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737282/
[20:30] <nik90> it seems unable to find the c++ plugin DateTime
[20:32] <balloons> so basically I can change the default to 'builddir' again
[20:33] <nik90> yeah I suppose :P
[20:34] <balloons> nik90, but that said.. I don't see any binaries or qml in the build dir. I think this is incorrect
[20:35] <nik90> balloons: I see the binaries in the builddir though..all 3 of them
[20:35] <dubstar_04> how can i get data from a model of an OptionSelector when i have the selected index?
[20:35] <balloons> nik90, maybe it just hates me. Where are they?
[20:35] <nik90> balloons: inside builddir/backend/plugin-name/*.so
[20:36] <nik90> dubstar_04: sec, /me checks api
[20:38] <nik90> dubstar_04: can you provide code with the optionselector..I don't see any obvious API methods for it..but can give it a shot
[20:38] <nik90> balloons: but I don't see qml code..the qml folders are just filled .cmake files
[20:38] <balloons> nik90, right.. I think I've got things sorted now
[20:39] <dubstar_04> nik90 i expected it to be something like OptionSelector.model.index.name
[20:40] <nik90> dubstar_04: may be its something with get() .. I used this a long long time ago..may be I should dig up old clock app code to check ;P
[20:41] <nik90> popey: erm -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1466648
[20:43] <nik90> popey: probably that's why the fat package was fat indeed
[20:43] <balloons> nik90, ok, I feel good about this: rev 290
[20:43] * nik90 updates and tests
[20:50] <dubstar_04> nik90 I've don it now. model.get(Index).data
[20:50] <nik90> balloons: I'm afraid it fails with the builddir..http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737376/
[20:50] <dubstar_04> I had model in a seperate QML file and it wasnt working
[20:50] <nik90> dubstar_04: ah awesome man..I suspected get() .. but wasn't sure
[21:16] <dropp> nik90: sorry for the delay. It works now! :) Thank you!
[21:16] <dropp> I forgot to put the "page." before test()
[21:17] <dropp> in "page.test()" that is
[21:17] <dropp> thanks again and bb
[21:28] <ahoneybun> is there a way to pull information (html) from a site and display it a custom way?
[21:58] <dubstar_04> Anyone awake to help with publishing apps?
[21:59] <nik90> dubstar_04: sup again ;)
[21:59] <dubstar_04> I have these errors: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/L5QryBwOHRHW_DTf6i6W033coI2z-HrPqaFbIPS5W-4X=w1074-h671-no
[21:59] <nik90> dubstar_04: which button did you press? validate existing click package or build and validate click?
[21:59] <nik90> dubstar_04: also do you have a source zip somewhere I can test on my local machine
[22:00] <dubstar_04> build and validate
[22:01] <nik90> dubstar_04: frankly no idea why you see that. want me to test and build you a click?
[22:02] <dubstar_04> I will send you a zip but i would rather know what was going wrong and build the click myself.
[22:02] <nik90> dubstar_04: well I can atleast confirm it is not an issue with your click and help you debug
[22:15] <nik90> dubstar_04: https://imgur.com/gVoAae5
[22:17] <dubstar_04> do i need to change the name?
[22:18] <nik90> dubstar_04: not sure..I am opening the askubuntu link shown for more info..
[22:18] <nik90> https://askubuntu.com/questions/417371/what-does-functional-qml-applicationname-matches-manifest-mean/417372
[22:19] <nik90> it seems correct to me
[22:19] <nik90> not sure why it is complaining
[22:19] <nik90> although when running on the phone, the UI is a bit messed up
[22:19] * nik90 takes a screenshot
[22:21] <nik90> https://imgur.com/OASYfEt
[22:21] <nik90> it seems the width is not respected, causing stuff to be cut out
[22:21] <dubstar_04> what would cause that?
[22:23] <nik90> normally when you run on the phone, it should dynamically adjust the appplication size to the phone dimensions.
[22:23] <nik90> dubstar_04: I am going to create a new project and copy files over to see if it fixed it.
[22:23] <nik90> then we look at the code diff to spot the mistake
[22:23] <dubstar_04> cool thanks
[22:28] <dubstar_04> nik90 what if you change the name in the manifest to MachinistsMate.marthamengineering
[22:28] <dubstar_04> with capitals?
[22:29] * nik90 tries
[22:31] <nik90> dubstar_04: I created a sample project where I called it machinistmatenik90.nik90 and that worked..
[22:31] <nik90> changing the capitals didnt help
[22:31] <nik90> with my sample project the width is not respected either when I copied over your code
[22:31] <nik90> frankly this is puzzling and annoying :P
[22:32] <dubstar_04> I think I might have to leave it tonight. I'm up for work in 5 hrs. Thanks for all the help.
[22:33] <nik90> dubstar_04: same gtg sleep.
[22:33] <nik90> dubstar_04: will check tomorrow when I find time
[22:34] <nik90> dubstar_04: found it!
[22:34] <dubstar_04> Thanks again.
[22:42] <balloons> nik90, sorry crazy storm and power outage
[22:42] <nik90> balloons: where is this adventurous place do you live in ?
[22:43] <balloons> the US ;p
[22:44] <nik90> not sure if you got my msgs before the storm
[22:44] <nik90> balloons: rev 290 AP tests fail when using builddir I am afraid.
[22:44] <nik90> .http://paste.ubuntu.com/11737376/
[22:44] <balloons> nik90, yes I saw. It's weird because it worked for me, but not on a fresh checkout. I do get why it doesn't work tho
[22:45] <nik90> balloons: hmm not on a fresh checkout..seems like bzr is messing with you then
[22:45] <balloons> nik90, so what we can do is support builddir, or the sdk.. which is an improvement from before
[22:46] <balloons> but, not any arbitrary directory
[22:46] <nik90> balloons: its your call. As long as the README files instructions are up to date we should be fine.
[22:46] <nik90> the only reason I am not a fan of building in the root dir is to avoid getting it dirty
[22:47] <nik90> which is why we used the builddir setup
[22:47] <balloons> yea.. I just wanted to support any arbitrary directory
[22:47] <balloons> so you didn't have to say 'builddir'
[22:47] <balloons> but the sdk support is really nice, so
[22:48] <nik90> hmm true
[22:49] <nik90> dropp: before you left I was about to say that the method described in the blog post you linked seems like a better way of doing things and that you should get the help of someone else here to figure that out.
[22:50] <dropp> nik90: sorry, i had to go... i found another site showing even more advanced ways of connecting (from QML)
[22:50] <nik90> dropp: can you paste the link here. I'll like to learn as well
[22:50] <dropp> nik90: http://doc.qt.io/qt-4.8/qmlevents.html
[22:50] <dropp> it features a .connect() from QML
[22:50] <balloons> nik90, ok, pushed rev 291. This should let you build with SDK, and it will find the directory and use it, or use builddir
[22:51] <balloons> really sad we don't generate a file we can parse via cmake otherwise
[22:51] <nik90> balloons: so I build using the sdk and then run the tests from the terminal as usual?
[22:51] <balloons> the sdk creates one..
[22:51] <balloons> nik90, yep you can do that.. Or follow the readme
[22:52] <balloons> if Akiva finishes his plugin soon, you'll be all set to run them as a run config in the SDK
[22:52] <dropp> nik90: however, it seems that the signal/slot mechanism is not asynchronous, which was the whole point for me to use it
[22:52] <nik90> balloons: ok. Can I test this tomorrow and then top-approve? Its late here now
[22:53] <balloons> nik90, yep for sure. So for the messup.. I thought it was all ready to go
[22:53] <balloons> seems my original tree was a little corrupted or something.. an extra build I guess, that let things work when they shouldn't have :-)
[22:53] <nik90> balloons: no worries, btw I am noticing test fails in my 15.04 transition branch ... they pass locally on my machine.
[22:54] <balloons> nik90, test fails on?
[22:54] <nik90> balloons: test fails on jenkins
[22:54] <dropp> I have an issue with QAudioRecorder. Sometimes (on the Desktop -- most times on the Nexus4) .start() or .stop() does not return and hangs indefinitely. I was hoping to still have a responsive UI this way...
[22:54] <balloons> nik90, ahh.. right.. qml tests I assume?
[22:54] <nik90> balloons: yes
[22:54] <balloons> nik90, I'll look tomorrow at them as well
[22:55] <balloons> wow that sentence
[22:55] <nik90> balloons: ok. I don't want to delay landing features due to testing infrastrcuture .. we can always get back to them later.
[22:55] <nik90> ;P
[22:56] <nik90> alrite I am off to sleep..tty tomorrow.
[22:56] <dropp> gn nik90
[22:56] <nik90> dropp: gnite
[22:57] <dropp> Anyone knows whether or not there is a way to asynchronously call a C++ function from QML? Sort of like fire and forget.
[22:58] <dropp> Because right now, my GUI becomes unresponsive once the QAudioRecorder functions don't return for whatever reason...
[23:00] <dropp> Hmm
[23:01] <dropp> Is QAudioRecorder known to be buggy? It seems quite weird that this happens...
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