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We don't seem to move from that. I am going to move, whether you come with me or not it's up to you. Constant repetition - why does the mind do it?
Because it remembers. The mind remembers, that is why it repeats. The mind remembers and that's why it repeats.
I repeat a pleasure - why? When I repeat a pleasure, it no longer is a pleasure, and so on. Please, can the mind free itself from the habit of comparison?
We said habit is repetition, thoughtful or not thoughtful, reasonable or unreasonable - habit. Habit is a very... to live in habit is a very easy way, isn't it? Isn't it, sir?
You are so frightened of saying yes or no. To live mechanically is the easiest way, isn't it? Yes, sir.
I put on an (inaudible), I put on - you follow? - repeat, repeat - that's the easiest way, isn't it? Yes, sir.
No, sir? Yes, yes. You're about technology and... (Inaudible) So, mind wants to find the easiest way of living.
Right? What it leads to doesn't matter. What will happen the way of the easy way doesn't matter, as long as you live the easiest way possible.
Right? Correct. So the mind says, the easiest way is to accept the tradition.
The easiest way of living amongst communists is to accept communism, and one of the vows, easiest way is to say, read the book. If you are a capitalist - easiest way. So the mind is always seeking the easiest way.
Right, sir? Yes, sir... Wait, wait, go slowly, sir, look at your own minds.
My father, generations past, ate no meat, so I didn't - I won't eat meat - but now that is changing in this country and they are eating meat, so I will eat meat. Anything to conform - the easiest way to live. That's the most secure way of living.
Right? I am a Catholic living in Italy, I say, 'Jesus is my saviour'. Right?
So the mind is always seeking the most satisfactory, pleasant conformity - the easy way. Right? And I see that.
Why shouldn't it find the easy way? You understand my question? What is wrong to find the easiest way of living?
The mind becomes dull then. But, sir, you are doing it! You are doing the easiest way of living.
And... (Inaudible) Sir, I am asking you, sir... Then we become vulnerable. (Inaudible) Don't you become vulnerable - why shouldn't you become vulnerable? Sir, the easiest way is to conform, and therefore that becomes the habit.
I don't want to live dangerously, I don't know what it means. You know what it means to live dangerously, but I see conformity is merely the repetitive mind, it's a mechanical mind - god exists, god exists - right? - there is reincarnation, yes, reincarnation; there is Gita, perfectly right, Gita, and I follow the guru - so, easiest way, the mind becomes mechanical.
Your minds are mechanical, aren't they, sir? This is really a tremendous problem, sir, which is the mind mechanical at all, or not mechanical? I won't... please, you won't understand this question unless you have understood habit, put away habit, not theoretically speculate about habit - whether the mind is mechanical.
Or is there a mind - this is a dangerous thing for traditionalists, what I'm going to say, because they will say yes, because that is part of their tradition that there is a self, higher, which is non-mechanical - you follow? - you will slip into that non-mechanical theory. So I am asking you - habits are formed as a means of living easily, and therefore mechanically - what happens to a mind that lives mechanically?
Is it a mind at all? It may have theories, it may acquire knowledge, it may say, well, I am a Hindu, I put on this and I do all kind of silly stuff, but - so, what happens to a mind that's mechanical? Go on, sir, answer it, sir.
Sometimes it becomes numb. Sometimes we become numb. (Inaudible) Your mind never works, is that it?
Is that it, sir? Don't be... we're not... I am not condemning you, sirs, so let's be honest, your mind never works, does it?
Works if you are a lawyer, in that direction, an engineer, which is also another habit, or if you are a politician - you follow? So I am asking, what happens to a mind that is mechanical? It's not creative; dull.
Sir, please, the word 'creative' - don't let's introduce that word. That's a most difficult word. Let's keep it a very simple word.
The mind that is mechanical soon becomes very dull. Right? Right?
Yes, sir. Right, sir? (Inaudible) You become an outcast.
You become an outcast if you don't conform to a habit - to blazes with being an outcast! Who cares? (Inaudible) I am asking a much more significant question, sir.
Are you can outcast if your mind is not mechanical? Are you an outcast if you are not mechanical? So let's go.
So, mind, our minds have become mechanical. Right? Knowledge has made us mechanical.
What, sir? Knowledge has made us mechanical. A mind of a lawyer, the mind of an engineer, the mind of a scientist are mechanical.
No? So knowledge is mechanical. Right?
So as long as the mind lives in the field of knowledge it is mechanical - knowledge being - listen, sir - knowledge being experience, memory... (Inaudible) Please, sir. You're want to... you are so frightened. You don't look at it, sir, without fear.
You say, 'I'll become an outcast, what will happen to me? I will die'. But you don't see the fact.
You come to it prepared with fear, whereas I say look at it, look at a mind, at your mind, that functions always within the field of the known, which is knowledge. Therefore, knowledge has made us mechanical - knowledge being experience, memory. So you say, can I... can the mind be free from memory, from knowledge, which is, can the mind, functioning within the field of knowledge when necessary, and be free from knowledge when it is not?
Then it is not mechanical. This is theory, sir - don't accept what I... do it, you'll find out. So our minds, through education, through various forms of accumulative knowledge, science, history, mathematic - mathematics is necessary, science is necessary, but the danger is that our minds are always functioning within the field of knowledge and therefore mechanical.
And a mechanical mind, can it every find truth? You understand, sir? Can a mechanical mind ever come to that something which is not mechanical?
You understand, sir? Must be the past dominating the present. The past is dominating the present.
The past is dominating the present. The past, which is your tradition - I'm going to stick to that (laughs) - the past which is your tradition as a Hindu, as a Brahman, non-Brahman, the lower - the past, memory, which is tradition. Tradition means to hand over - past generation has handed over its experience, its knowledge, its customs, its traditions, its worship, its rituals, ceremonies, all that has been handed over to you and you trot along in the same path.
And you call that creative. And you call that a mind is very clever, thinking. Right, sir?
So I say to you, knowledge has become a habit, therefore mechanical. You are very good at memorizing - right? - very good.
Pass excellently in BAs, MAs, PhDs. And a mechanical mind, how can it be free? And yet you are seeking freedom.
You understand, sir. Therefore, freedom becomes an abstraction. Right?
Freedom is to understand the function of knowledge, and where it ends, and have a mind that is completely free from the mechanical process. That is mediation, sir, you don't know anything about it. So where are we - phew!
- at the end of an hour and twenty minutes? Excuse me, sir... Sir, sir, sir, one moment. I mean, sit down, sir.
I prefer standing. All right - prefer standing. Stand then.
Just a minute, sir, just a minute, I am asking a question. Where are we at the end of an hour and twenty minutes? Is your mind, has it understood the danger of conformity, habit?
- danger, not theoretical danger but actual danger, like nationalism here - danger, poisonous, it breeds wars. So do you realize the danger as you realize the danger of poison, snake, a precipice? Do you realize conformity and the habit of conformity is a deadly thing?
I conform - when I come to India I put on these trousers and (inaudible) Right? I conform when I drive a car, keep to the left. I conform when I have to pay taxes, unless I am against the government and don't want to pay taxes.
I conform when I speak English or when I speak French or Italian, because I don't... unfortunately I don't know an Indian language. I conform when I eat with a spoon and not my hand. You follow?
I conform. What is wrong with that conformity? Is that wrong?
(Inaudible) How you stop thinking long ago. I do not conform to the idea that I am an Indian. India is an idea, a geographical idea.
It has no reality. Why should I conform to that? Come on, sirs.
And conform - anger. A spiritual man must live in a certain way - that's your tradition. Right?
As this is the tradition in Europe that a religious man must believe in Christ, saviour, Virgin Mary, and all that. As a religious man here, you must put on a loin cloth, you must eat one meal, you must do this and do that, puja, and pay, do a lot of circus, and that is your religion. I say that is not religion at all.
It's sheer nonsense! Religion means something entirely different. A mind that is free to observe, not form a conclusion, not form an idea, to observe.
That's the beginning. So, sir, to understand conformity ending and the freedom and the greatness of living a life that doesn't conform in the most profound sense of that word, means a mind that has understood the mechanical process of life, technology, the repetition of language and so on, and knowing the danger of a life that is entirely in the field of knowledge. The danger.
Seeing the danger of it, as you see the danger of cobra, the mind enters totally into a field where it is non-mechanical and lives from day to day. Fresh. And to live these two together harmoniously.
You understand, sir. That is living yourself. What have you gained?
What has been the profit of listening to this? What have you gained, sir? (Inaudible) ideas.
(Inaudible) clarifying ideas verbally (Inaudible) to see.. You mean to say, sir, you have listened for an hour and a half and verbally understood? I think I thought that, sir. You verbally understood?
The words only? (Inaudible) Unfortunately, yes. And this is India.
(Inaudible) We are proud to be from India. What, sir? I said, this is India.
I said we are proud of it. So, are the Russians proud of it? The French are proud of their country, the English, the Americans, and they'll carry at, at each other's throats.
It's one of your habits. Fantastic, (Inaudible) stand here. But I think raising the dead is a pain.
(Inaudible) What, sir? (Inaudible) I am afraid I don't understand what you are saying. (Inaudible) the evils of envy are paying us.
I never said evil envy, sir! I never said envy was evil. (Inaudible) I never condemned envy, sir.
I never said it was bad or good. I said, just look! (Inaudible) what are the reasons for pain, envy?
I explained that to you, sir. We are all trying to explain the reasons for envy. But, we are not going back to the old stuff.
I am sorry, so, let me explain. I am asking you sir, those of you who have listened for an hour and a half, what have you got out of it? Wait, sir.
That gentleman says, you have clarified verbally certain ideas. So, he's living in a world or words and ideas, not with actuality but with ideas. You know, sir, the words "idea" what it means?
The word, the meaning of that word, the root meaning of that word means to see, to see, to observe, not the abstraction of your observation into ideas. To observe. So, what have you got at the end of an hour and half?
Nothing. You are perfectly right, sir. What shall we talk over together this evening?
Choiceless awareness. Choiceless awareness. Greed.
We talked about yesterday greed, envy. What do you think we should talk about together this evening? Do you think you could not go back to the topic which was originally suggested last night about isolation and whether or not the spiritual path can be pursued at the same time as total integration with the... (inaudible) The questioner wants to discuss isolation, whether it's possible to live a spiritual life, whatever that may mean, and at the same time carry on with our daily life.
Is that right, sir? Yes. What shall we...
Yesterday we talked about greed. Today we'd better stick to greed. Problem of suffering.
That's what the gentleman said - problem of suffering. Do you want to discuss that? The problem of living daily.
Supposing you are a businessman. You are a businessman... What would you do? ...would you remain uncorrupt?
You may not corrupt others. Yes. If you - if you (laughter) - if you are a businessman, would you remain uncorrupted.
You want to discuss that? (Laughter) (Inaudible) ...yesterday you were talking about chaos and our relationship to it. Fear and our relationship to what?
Chaos. Fear and chaos - our relationship to it. Now just a minute, sir.
You want to discuss suffering, choiceless awareness, what would I, the speaker, do if I were a businessman and remain uncorrupt, and the last question. About death also, sir. Death also.
Peace of mind. Talking on peace of mind. It's all right, sir, I can hear.
(Laughter) Peace of mind. Sir, it's not for fun I am talking to you. I understand, I understand, sir.
An extra I would like to remain uncorrupt but I have been corrupted. Without corruption I cannot get on in life. That is life.
What would you do in that situation? What would I do if I was a businessman, knowing that I'm being corrupted and the whole structure is based on corruption. What shall I do.
Is that what you want to discuss? That really interests you, does it? Choiceless awareness.
Choiceless awareness, greed, sorrow. All right, sir. One more, sir.
In very ordinary life, supposing I want to come here... (inaudible) ...but if I am not competitive, I cannot come here... If I'm not competitive the world would destroy me. What shall I do.
Sir, these are the problems. We live in a world that is utterly corrupt, immoral socially, a great deal of injustice, poverty, hunger, war, suffering, and what is one to do if one lives in this world, surrounded by pollution both mentally and ecologically, everywhere there is great deal of personal and non-personal sorrow. What is a human being who wants to live intelligently in this world to do?
Right? Can we discuss that? Yes.
How do you, if I may ask, look at the world? How do you regard the world? How is an individual to become a peaceful man?
How is an individual to become a peaceful man. ...in the world. Same thing, sir.
Now, let us please be clear what we are discussing, what we are trying to go into. Which is, an individual, a human, an individual, can he live a life in this world, a life of not being corrupted, a peaceful life, and so on? Now, individuality, the meaning of that word means indivisible.
That means a human being who is whole. Such an entity, a whole being, is really an individual. But anybody who is fragmented in himself is not an individual.
We cannot use that word 'individual', which has very specific meaning. In English, if you want to go into it, it means an entity, a human being who is whole, not fragmented, who is sane, holy - H.O.L.Y. All that is implied in that word.
And we are asking how is a human being who is, who himself is in sorrow, confusion, conflict, liable to be corrupted, liable to face all the misfortunes and the aches of life, how is he to live here peacefully, intelligently, and a life that has meaning. Can we discuss that? Let's stick to that.
All that is implied in that. So I asked a how you sitting there look at the world. What is your response or your relationship to the world?
The world being the national divisions, national sovereignties with their armies, the world of violence, brutality, wars, hatreds, enmity, corruption - what is your, as a human being, your relationship to all that? Go on, sirs. Yes sir, I think I try to make the best of it for my own... No, no, no, please, sir, we are going step by step into this.

We don't seem to move from that. I am going to move, whether you come with me or not it's up to you. Constant repetition - why does the mind do it?

Because it remembers. The mind remembers, that is why it repeats. The mind remembers and that's why it repeats.

I repeat a pleasure - why? When I repeat a pleasure, it no longer is a pleasure, and so on. Please, can the mind free itself from the habit of comparison?

We said habit is repetition, thoughtful or not thoughtful, reasonable or unreasonable - habit. Habit is a very... to live in habit is a very easy way, isn't it? Isn't it, sir?

You are so frightened of saying yes or no. To live mechanically is the easiest way, isn't it? Yes, sir.

I put on an (inaudible), I put on - you follow? - repeat, repeat - that's the easiest way, isn't it? Yes, sir.

No, sir? Yes, yes. You're about technology and... (Inaudible) So, mind wants to find the easiest way of living.

Right? What it leads to doesn't matter. What will happen the way of the easy way doesn't matter, as long as you live the easiest way possible.

Right? Correct. So the mind says, the easiest way is to accept the tradition.

The easiest way of living amongst communists is to accept communism, and one of the vows, easiest way is to say, read the book. If you are a capitalist - easiest way. So the mind is always seeking the easiest way.

Right, sir? Yes, sir... Wait, wait, go slowly, sir, look at your own minds.

My father, generations past, ate no meat, so I didn't - I won't eat meat - but now that is changing in this country and they are eating meat, so I will eat meat. Anything to conform - the easiest way to live. That's the most secure way of living.

Right? I am a Catholic living in Italy, I say, 'Jesus is my saviour'. Right?

So the mind is always seeking the most satisfactory, pleasant conformity - the easy way. Right? And I see that.

Why shouldn't it find the easy way? You understand my question? What is wrong to find the easiest way of living?

The mind becomes dull then. But, sir, you are doing it! You are doing the easiest way of living.

And... (Inaudible) Sir, I am asking you, sir... Then we become vulnerable. (Inaudible) Don't you become vulnerable - why shouldn't you become vulnerable? Sir, the easiest way is to conform, and therefore that becomes the habit.

I don't want to live dangerously, I don't know what it means. You know what it means to live dangerously, but I see conformity is merely the repetitive mind, it's a mechanical mind - god exists, god exists - right? - there is reincarnation, yes, reincarnation; there is Gita, perfectly right, Gita, and I follow the guru - so, easiest way, the mind becomes mechanical.

Your minds are mechanical, aren't they, sir? This is really a tremendous problem, sir, which is the mind mechanical at all, or not mechanical? I won't... please, you won't understand this question unless you have understood habit, put away habit, not theoretically speculate about habit - whether the mind is mechanical.

Or is there a mind - this is a dangerous thing for traditionalists, what I'm going to say, because they will say yes, because that is part of their tradition that there is a self, higher, which is non-mechanical - you follow? - you will slip into that non-mechanical theory. So I am asking you - habits are formed as a means of living easily, and therefore mechanically - what happens to a mind that lives mechanically?

Is it a mind at all? It may have theories, it may acquire knowledge, it may say, well, I am a Hindu, I put on this and I do all kind of silly stuff, but - so, what happens to a mind that's mechanical? Go on, sir, answer it, sir.

Sometimes it becomes numb. Sometimes we become numb. (Inaudible) Your mind never works, is that it?

Is that it, sir? Don't be... we're not... I am not condemning you, sirs, so let's be honest, your mind never works, does it?

Works if you are a lawyer, in that direction, an engineer, which is also another habit, or if you are a politician - you follow? So I am asking, what happens to a mind that is mechanical? It's not creative; dull.

Sir, please, the word 'creative' - don't let's introduce that word. That's a most difficult word. Let's keep it a very simple word.

The mind that is mechanical soon becomes very dull. Right? Right?

Yes, sir. Right, sir? (Inaudible) You become an outcast.

You become an outcast if you don't conform to a habit - to blazes with being an outcast! Who cares? (Inaudible) I am asking a much more significant question, sir.

Are you can outcast if your mind is not mechanical? Are you an outcast if you are not mechanical? So let's go.

So, mind, our minds have become mechanical. Right? Knowledge has made us mechanical.

What, sir? Knowledge has made us mechanical. A mind of a lawyer, the mind of an engineer, the mind of a scientist are mechanical.

No? So knowledge is mechanical. Right?

So as long as the mind lives in the field of knowledge it is mechanical - knowledge being - listen, sir - knowledge being experience, memory... (Inaudible) Please, sir. You're want to... you are so frightened. You don't look at it, sir, without fear.

You say, 'I'll become an outcast, what will happen to me? I will die'. But you don't see the fact.

You come to it prepared with fear, whereas I say look at it, look at a mind, at your mind, that functions always within the field of the known, which is knowledge. Therefore, knowledge has made us mechanical - knowledge being experience, memory. So you say, can I... can the mind be free from memory, from knowledge, which is, can the mind, functioning within the field of knowledge when necessary, and be free from knowledge when it is not?

Then it is not mechanical. This is theory, sir - don't accept what I... do it, you'll find out. So our minds, through education, through various forms of accumulative knowledge, science, history, mathematic - mathematics is necessary, science is necessary, but the danger is that our minds are always functioning within the field of knowledge and therefore mechanical.

And a mechanical mind, can it every find truth? You understand, sir? Can a mechanical mind ever come to that something which is not mechanical?

You understand, sir? Must be the past dominating the present. The past is dominating the present.

The past is dominating the present. The past, which is your tradition - I'm going to stick to that (laughs) - the past which is your tradition as a Hindu, as a Brahman, non-Brahman, the lower - the past, memory, which is tradition. Tradition means to hand over - past generation has handed over its experience, its knowledge, its customs, its traditions, its worship, its rituals, ceremonies, all that has been handed over to you and you trot along in the same path.

And you call that creative. And you call that a mind is very clever, thinking. Right, sir?

So I say to you, knowledge has become a habit, therefore mechanical. You are very good at memorizing - right? - very good.

Pass excellently in BAs, MAs, PhDs. And a mechanical mind, how can it be free? And yet you are seeking freedom.

You understand, sir. Therefore, freedom becomes an abstraction. Right?

Freedom is to understand the function of knowledge, and where it ends, and have a mind that is completely free from the mechanical process. That is mediation, sir, you don't know anything about it. So where are we - phew!

- at the end of an hour and twenty minutes? Excuse me, sir... Sir, sir, sir, one moment. I mean, sit down, sir.

I prefer standing. All right - prefer standing. Stand then.

Just a minute, sir, just a minute, I am asking a question. Where are we at the end of an hour and twenty minutes? Is your mind, has it understood the danger of conformity, habit?

- danger, not theoretical danger but actual danger, like nationalism here - danger, poisonous, it breeds wars. So do you realize the danger as you realize the danger of poison, snake, a precipice? Do you realize conformity and the habit of conformity is a deadly thing?

I conform - when I come to India I put on these trousers and (inaudible) Right? I conform when I drive a car, keep to the left. I conform when I have to pay taxes, unless I am against the government and don't want to pay taxes.

I conform when I speak English or when I speak French or Italian, because I don't... unfortunately I don't know an Indian language. I conform when I eat with a spoon and not my hand. You follow?

I conform. What is wrong with that conformity? Is that wrong?

(Inaudible) How you stop thinking long ago. I do not conform to the idea that I am an Indian. India is an idea, a geographical idea.

It has no reality. Why should I conform to that? Come on, sirs.

And conform - anger. A spiritual man must live in a certain way - that's your tradition. Right?

As this is the tradition in Europe that a religious man must believe in Christ, saviour, Virgin Mary, and all that. As a religious man here, you must put on a loin cloth, you must eat one meal, you must do this and do that, puja, and pay, do a lot of circus, and that is your religion. I say that is not religion at all.

It's sheer nonsense! Religion means something entirely different. A mind that is free to observe, not form a conclusion, not form an idea, to observe.

That's the beginning. So, sir, to understand conformity ending and the freedom and the greatness of living a life that doesn't conform in the most profound sense of that word, means a mind that has understood the mechanical process of life, technology, the repetition of language and so on, and knowing the danger of a life that is entirely in the field of knowledge. The danger.

Seeing the danger of it, as you see the danger of cobra, the mind enters totally into a field where it is non-mechanical and lives from day to day. Fresh. And to live these two together harmoniously.

You understand, sir. That is living yourself. What have you gained?

What has been the profit of listening to this? What have you gained, sir? (Inaudible) ideas.

(Inaudible) clarifying ideas verbally (Inaudible) to see.. You mean to say, sir, you have listened for an hour and a half and verbally understood? I think I thought that, sir. You verbally understood?

The words only? (Inaudible) Unfortunately, yes. And this is India.

(Inaudible) We are proud to be from India. What, sir? I said, this is India.

I said we are proud of it. So, are the Russians proud of it? The French are proud of their country, the English, the Americans, and they'll carry at, at each other's throats.

It's one of your habits. Fantastic, (Inaudible) stand here. But I think raising the dead is a pain.

(Inaudible) What, sir? (Inaudible) I am afraid I don't understand what you are saying. (Inaudible) the evils of envy are paying us.

I never said evil envy, sir! I never said envy was evil. (Inaudible) I never condemned envy, sir.

I never said it was bad or good. I said, just look! (Inaudible) what are the reasons for pain, envy?

I explained that to you, sir. We are all trying to explain the reasons for envy. But, we are not going back to the old stuff.

I am sorry, so, let me explain. I am asking you sir, those of you who have listened for an hour and a half, what have you got out of it? Wait, sir.

That gentleman says, you have clarified verbally certain ideas. So, he's living in a world or words and ideas, not with actuality but with ideas. You know, sir, the words "idea" what it means?

The word, the meaning of that word, the root meaning of that word means to see, to see, to observe, not the abstraction of your observation into ideas. To observe. So, what have you got at the end of an hour and half?

Nothing. You are perfectly right, sir. What shall we talk over together this evening?

Choiceless awareness. Choiceless awareness. Greed.

We talked about yesterday greed, envy. What do you think we should talk about together this evening? Do you think you could not go back to the topic which was originally suggested last night about isolation and whether or not the spiritual path can be pursued at the same time as total integration with the... (inaudible) The questioner wants to discuss isolation, whether it's possible to live a spiritual life, whatever that may mean, and at the same time carry on with our daily life.

Is that right, sir? Yes. What shall we...

Yesterday we talked about greed. Today we'd better stick to greed. Problem of suffering.

That's what the gentleman said - problem of suffering. Do you want to discuss that? The problem of living daily.

Supposing you are a businessman. You are a businessman... What would you do? ...would you remain uncorrupt?

You may not corrupt others. Yes. If you - if you (laughter) - if you are a businessman, would you remain uncorrupted.

You want to discuss that? (Laughter) (Inaudible) ...yesterday you were talking about chaos and our relationship to it. Fear and our relationship to what?

Chaos. Fear and chaos - our relationship to it. Now just a minute, sir.

You want to discuss suffering, choiceless awareness, what would I, the speaker, do if I were a businessman and remain uncorrupt, and the last question. About death also, sir. Death also.

Peace of mind. Talking on peace of mind. It's all right, sir, I can hear.

(Laughter) Peace of mind. Sir, it's not for fun I am talking to you. I understand, I understand, sir.

An extra I would like to remain uncorrupt but I have been corrupted. Without corruption I cannot get on in life. That is life.

What would you do in that situation? What would I do if I was a businessman, knowing that I'm being corrupted and the whole structure is based on corruption. What shall I do.

Is that what you want to discuss? That really interests you, does it? Choiceless awareness.

Choiceless awareness, greed, sorrow. All right, sir. One more, sir.

In very ordinary life, supposing I want to come here... (inaudible) ...but if I am not competitive, I cannot come here... If I'm not competitive the world would destroy me. What shall I do.

Sir, these are the problems. We live in a world that is utterly corrupt, immoral socially, a great deal of injustice, poverty, hunger, war, suffering, and what is one to do if one lives in this world, surrounded by pollution both mentally and ecologically, everywhere there is great deal of personal and non-personal sorrow. What is a human being who wants to live intelligently in this world to do?

Right? Can we discuss that? Yes.

How do you, if I may ask, look at the world? How do you regard the world? How is an individual to become a peaceful man?

How is an individual to become a peaceful man. ...in the world. Same thing, sir.

Now, let us please be clear what we are discussing, what we are trying to go into. Which is, an individual, a human, an individual, can he live a life in this world, a life of not being corrupted, a peaceful life, and so on? Now, individuality, the meaning of that word means indivisible.

That means a human being who is whole. Such an entity, a whole being, is really an individual. But anybody who is fragmented in himself is not an individual.

We cannot use that word 'individual', which has very specific meaning. In English, if you want to go into it, it means an entity, a human being who is whole, not fragmented, who is sane, holy - H.O.L.Y. All that is implied in that word.

And we are asking how is a human being who is, who himself is in sorrow, confusion, conflict, liable to be corrupted, liable to face all the misfortunes and the aches of life, how is he to live here peacefully, intelligently, and a life that has meaning. Can we discuss that? Let's stick to that.

All that is implied in that. So I asked a how you sitting there look at the world. What is your response or your relationship to the world?

The world being the national divisions, national sovereignties with their armies, the world of violence, brutality, wars, hatreds, enmity, corruption - what is your, as a human being, your relationship to all that? Go on, sirs. Yes sir, I think I try to make the best of it for my own... No, no, no, please, sir, we are going step by step into this.