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The songs of the Wobblies had so much union and so much fun in them. And the ones that have survived until now bring with them the weight and the power of all of the thousands and thousands of people that have sung them before. | the songs of the. wobblies had so much union and so much. fun in them and the, ones that have survived until now bring with them the, weight and the power of all of the thousands, and thousands, of people that have sung, them. | The. songs of the Wobblies had so much union and so much fun in them And the ones that have survived until now bring with them the weight and; the power of all of the thousands and thousands of people that have sung them | the songs of the wobblies had so much union and so much fun in them. and the ones that have survived until now bring with them the weight and the power of all of the thousands and thousands of people that have sung them before. |
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Right, so there are several criteria. I spent some time when I was given the charge of making the target list for SETI of just sitting down and thinking about, well, what is it about the sun that makes it such a good parent for life forms on earth? Obviously, the earth has been a habitable place for life for the last four and a half billion years and we've had plenty of time during that time for biology to evolve to the point where it can build radio telescopes and communicate in between the stars. So, one of my criteria was stability. I didn't want stars that are changing a lot in their brightness level over periods of less than a few billion years. | right so there are several criteria i spent some time when i was given the charge of making the target. list for seti of just sitting down and thinking about well what is it about the. sun that makes it. such a good parent for life forms on earth? obviously the earth has been a habitable. place for life. for the last four and a half billion years and, we've had plenty of time, during that time for biology to evolve to the point where it can build radio telescopes and communicate in between. the stars so one of my criteria was stability i didn't want stars that are changing a lot in their brightness level over periods of less than a few; billion. | Right so, there are several criteria I spent some time when I was given the charge of. making the target list for SETI of just sitting down and thinking about well what. is it about the sun that makes it such a good parent for life forms on, earth? Obviously the earth has been a habitable place for life for the last four and a half billion years and we've had plenty of time during that time for, biology to evolve to the point where it; can build radio telescopes and communicate, in between the stars So, one, of my criteria was stability, I didn't want stars that are changing a. lot in their brightness level over periods of less than a few, billion | right, so there are several criteria. i spent some time when i was given the charge of making the target list for seti of just sitting down and thinking about, well, what is it about the sun that makes it such a good parent for life forms on earth? obviously, the earth has been a habitable place for life for the last four and a half billion years and we've had plenty of time during that time for biology to evolve to the point where it can build radio telescopes and communicate in between the stars. so, one of my criteria was stability. i didn't want stars that are changing a lot in their brightness level over periods of less than a few billion years. |
That would mean that would allow life to evolve there? | that would mean that would allow life to evolve | That would, mean that would allow life to evolve | that would mean that would allow life to evolve there? |
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Right. So, it turns out that that requirement all by itself actually rules out quite a few stars and, in particular, massive stars. The most luminous stars in the galaxy are immediately ruled out because they simply do not live long enough. | right so it turns out that, that requirement all by itself actually, rules out quite a few stars and in particular massive stars the. most luminous stars in the galaxy. are immediately. ruled out because they simply, do not live long | Right So it turns out that that requirement all by itself actually rules, out quite a few stars and in particular massive stars The most luminous stars in the galaxy. are immediately ruled out because they simply do not live long | right. so, it turns out that that requirement all by itself actually rules out quite a few stars and, in particular, massive stars. the most luminous stars in the galaxy are immediately ruled out because they simply do not live long enough. |
Yeah. And so you've got it down to a top ten list? Is that what you're saying? Are you looking for just single cell life or crude life or does this list also include intelligent life that could be sending things to us? | yeah and so you've got it down to a top ten list? is that what, you're saying? are you looking for just single cell life or crude life or does this list also include intelligent life that could be sending things to | Yeah And so you've got it down to a top ten list? Is that what you're saying? Are you, looking for just single cell life. or. crude life or, does this list also include intelligent life that could be sending things to | yeah. and so you've got it down to a top ten list? is that what you're saying? are you looking for just single cell life or crude life or does this list also include intelligent life that could be sending things to us? |
Well, it's kind of a trick question, actually, when you say, well... | well it's kind of a trick question actually when you say | Well it's kind of a trick question actually. when you say | well, it's kind of a trick question, actually, when you say, well... |
Well, I love that, too... | well i love that | Well I love that | well, i love that, too... |
...which star should we look at? I mean, that is a trick question because it depends on how you're planning on going about looking for those life forms. If you're talking about a project like SETI where you're listening for intelligent, you know, signs of intelligent civilizations, technology, then you need to be fairly rigorous about your criteria, because we are looking for a technology like ours, we want stars that are just like us. | ...which, star should we look at? i mean that is a trick question because it depends on how you're planning on going about looking for those life forms if you're talking; about. a project like seti where, you're, listening for intelligent you know signs of intelligent civilizations technology then you need to be fairly rigorous about your criteria because. we. are looking for, a technology like ours we want stars that are just like, | ...which star should we. look at? I. mean that is a trick question. because it. depends. on how you're planning on going about. looking for those life forms If you're talking about a project like. SETI where you're, listening for intelligent you, know signs of intelligent civilizations technology then you need to be fairly rigorous about, your criteria because we are, looking for a technology like ours we, want stars that are just like | ...which star should we look at? i mean, that is a trick question because it depends on how you're planning on going about looking for those life forms. if you're talking about a project like seti where you're listening for intelligent, you know, signs of intelligent civilizations, technology, then you need to be fairly rigorous about your criteria, because we are looking for a technology like ours, we want stars that are just like us. |
And so, I started with a list, a catalog, of about 120,000 stars, and from those I was able to whittle it down, given everything I know about those stars and everything I know about life and technology on planet Earth, to come with a short list of 19,000 or so. Now, from that, obviously 19,000 is still quite a lot of stars and it will take time to go through all those, so we wanted to be able to prioritize those according to, well, I mean, just how nearby are they and how much do we know about the stars and how likely do we think they are to be able to support life exactly like what we have on earth. | and. so, i started with a list a catalog of about 120,000 stars and from those i was. able to whittle it down, given everything i know about those stars and everything i know about life and technology on planet earth to come with a short list of. 19,000 or so now from that obviously 19,000 is, still quite a lot of stars and it will. take time to go through all those so we wanted to be able to prioritize those according to well i, mean just, how nearby are they and, how much do we know about the stars and how likely do we think they are to be able to. support, life exactly like what we have on | And so I started with a list a catalog, of about 120,000 stars and from. those I was able to whittle it down given everything I know about those stars and. everything I know about life and technology on, planet Earth to come with a short list of 19,000 or so Now from that obviously 19,000 is still quite a lot of stars and it will take. time to go through all, those so we wanted to be able to prioritize those according to well I, mean just how nearby are they and, how much do we know about the stars and how likely do. we think they are to be. able to support life exactly like what we have on | and so, i started with a list, a catalog, of about 120,000 stars, and from those i was able to whittle it down, given everything i know about those stars and everything i know about life and technology on planet earth, to come with a short list of 19,000 or so. now, from that, obviously 19,000 is still quite a lot of stars and it will take time to go through all those, so we wanted to be able to prioritize those according to, well, i mean, just how nearby are they and how much do we know about the stars and how likely do we think they are to be able to support life exactly like what we have on earth. |
So, from that I've come up with a very short list for the purposes of communicating with the public and for the purposes of prioritizing our observations, of five stars. | so from that i've; come up with a very short list for the. purposes of communicating with the public and for the purposes of prioritizing our observations, of five | So from that I've come up with a very short list for the purposes of communicating with the public and for the purposes of prioritizing our, observations of five | so, from that i've come up with a very short list for the purposes of communicating with the public and for the purposes of prioritizing our observations, of five stars. |
So, give us your top five then. | so give us your top five | So give us your top five | so, give us your top five then. |
Okay, well, number one, I have in, and, you know, you should keep in mind always that these top stars, really the top 50 or 100, these are all excellent targets and so it's hard for me to say, okay, this is the best star. That's just not realistic. | okay well number one i have in and you know you should keep in mind always that these top stars really the top, 50 or 100, these are, all excellent targets and so it's hard for me to say, okay this is the best star that's just not | Okay well number one I have in and you, know you should keep in mind always that these top stars really the top 50 or 100, these are all excellent targets and so it's, hard for me to say okay this is the, best star That's just not | okay, well, number one, i have in, and, you know, you should keep in mind always that these top stars, really the top 50 or 100, these are all excellent targets and so it's hard for me to say, okay, this is the best star. that's just not realistic. |
I think stars get insulted if they're not included in this list... | i think stars. get insulted if, they're not included in this | I think stars. get insulted if they're not included in this | i think stars get insulted if they're not included in this list... |
Exactly, right, exactly, so the top 100, they're all tied for first place but I'm just gonna give you five of them. Beta CVn, kind of a strange name, but that's the name of this very sun-like star. It's just a tiny little bit brighter than the sun. You can see this one with the naked eye. It has a metal content in its atmosphere a little bit less than the sun, about 30% less than the sun, of iron and heavy elements in its atmosphere, and metal content in the star is an indicator of the presence or the potential presence of planets around that star. | exactly right exactly so the top 100, they're all tied, for first place but. i'm just, gonna give you five of. them beta, cvn kind of a strange, name. but; that's. the name of, this very sun-like star it's just a tiny little bit brighter than the sun. you can see this one with the naked eye, it has; a metal content in its atmosphere a little bit less than the sun about, 30% less than the sun of iron and heavy elements in its atmosphere and metal content in the star. is an indicator of the presence or the potential presence of planets around that | Exactly right exactly so the top 100, they're all; tied for first place but I'm just gonna give you five of them Beta CVn kind of a strange, name but that's the name of this very sun-like star It's just a tiny little bit brighter than the sun; You can see this one with the naked eye It has a metal content. in. its atmosphere a little bit less than the sun about, 30% less. than the sun. of iron and heavy elements in its atmosphere and metal content in; the star is an, indicator of the presence or the potential presence of planets around, that | exactly, right, exactly, so the top 100, they're all tied for first place but i'm just gonna give you five of them. beta cvn, kind of a strange name, but that's the name of this very sun-like star. it's just a tiny little bit brighter than the sun. you can see this one with the naked eye. it has a metal content in its atmosphere a little bit less than the sun, about 30% less than the sun, of iron and heavy elements in its atmosphere, and metal content in the star is an indicator of the presence or the potential presence of planets around that star. |
The more metals are in the star, the more likely it is to have planets, at least planets that we've been able to detect so far, giant planets. Of course, we know nothing about terrestrial planets at this point. That star is pretty nearby in the grand scheme of things, 25 light years away. | the more metals are in, the star the more likely it is, to. have planets at least planets that we've been able to detect, so. far giant planets of course we; know nothing about terrestrial planets at this point that star is pretty, nearby in the, grand scheme of things 25 light years. | The more metals are in the star the more likely it is to have planets at least planets that we've been able to, detect so. far giant, planets Of course we know nothing. about terrestrial planets at this. point That star is pretty nearby in the grand, scheme of things 25 light years. | the more metals are in the star, the more likely it is to have planets, at least planets that we've been able to detect so far, giant planets. of course, we know nothing about terrestrial planets at this point. that star is pretty nearby in the grand scheme of things, 25 light years away. |
It's already heard I Love Lucy by now. | it's already heard i love lucy by | It's. already heard I Love Lucy by | it's already heard i love lucy by now. |
Absolutely... | absolutely... |
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And they may be sending us a reaction from out there... | and they may be sending us a reaction from, out | And they may be sending, us, a reaction from out | and they may be sending us a reaction from out there... |
Sure, we just have to wait around for a few more years. Right, so my number two on my list here, and, of course, these are all switched around depending on which article you read and who you talk to, but on my little list right in front of me I've got 18 Sco in the constellation Scorpios next. That one's a little fainter, maybe if you have really good eyes and you're out in the country, you might be able to see that one. That's a star very much like the sun. In fact, we call that one a solar twin. It's got about the same metal content. It's a single star. It's about the same age as the sun, same luminosity. | sure we just have to wait around for a few more years right so my number two on my list. here and of course these are all, switched around depending on which article you read and who you talk to but, on my little list right in front of me i've got 18 sco in the constellation scorpios next that one's a little fainter maybe. if you have really good eyes and you're out in the country you might be able to, see that one that's a. star very much like the. sun in fact we call that one a solar twin, it's got about the, same metal content it's a single, star it's about the same age as the sun same | Sure we just, have to wait around for a few. more years, Right so my number two on my list here and of course these are all switched around depending. on which article you read and who you talk to but. on, my little list right in front of. me I've got 18 Sco. in the constellation. Scorpios next That one's a little fainter maybe, if you have really good, eyes. and you're out in the country you might be able to see that one That's a star very much like the sun In fact we call that one a solar twin It's got about the same metal content; It's a single star It's, about the same age as the sun same | sure, we just have to wait around for a few more years. right, so my number two on my list here, and, of course, these are all switched around depending on which article you read and who you talk to, but on my little list right in front of me i've got 18 sco in the constellation scorpios next. that one's a little fainter, maybe if you have really good eyes and you're out in the country, you might be able to see that one. that's a star very much like the sun. in fact, we call that one a solar twin. it's got about the same metal content. it's a single star. it's about the same age as the sun, same luminosity. |
Have you seen any planets around any of these stars yet? | have you seen any planets, around any of these stars | Have you seen; any planets around any of these stars | have you seen any planets around any of these stars yet? |
Yes, in fact, the next one on my list, 51 Peg, is known to have a giant planet orbiting. In fact, 51 Peg was the first star to be announced as having a giant planet through the radial velocity searches. It's in a very tight orbit around the star, interior to what we call the habitable zone. Now, the habitable zone is that region around the star where an earth-like planet would be at the right temperature to have liquid water on its surface. So, if 51 Peg's planet were in our system, that would be interior to our orbit, interior even to Mercury's orbit for that matter. | yes in fact the next one on my list 51 peg is known to have a giant planet orbiting in fact 51 peg was the first star to be announced as having a giant planet through the radial velocity searches. it's in a very tight orbit around the star interior to what we call the habitable, zone now the habitable zone is that region around the star where an earth-like planet, would be at the right temperature to have liquid water on its surface so if 51 peg's planet were in, our system that would be interior to our orbit. interior even to mercury's orbit for that | Yes in fact the next one on my list 51 Peg is known to have a giant planet orbiting In fact 51 Peg was the first. star to be announced as having a giant planet through the radial velocity searches It's in a very tight orbit around the star interior to what we call the habitable zone Now; the habitable zone is that region around the star where an earth-like planet. would be at the right temperature to have liquid water on its, surface So if 51 Peg's planet. were in our system that would be interior. to. our orbit interior even to, Mercury's orbit for that | yes, in fact, the next one on my list, 51 peg, is known to have a giant planet orbiting. in fact, 51 peg was the first star to be announced as having a giant planet through the radial velocity searches. it's in a very tight orbit around the star, interior to what we call the habitable zone. now, the habitable zone is that region around the star where an earth-like planet would be at the right temperature to have liquid water on its surface. so, if 51 peg's planet were in our system, that would be interior to our orbit, interior even to mercury's orbit for that matter. |
Wow. | wow. |
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Pretty hot. | pretty | Pretty | pretty hot. |
Yeah. In fact the presence of that planet, while it does not interfere with the habitable zone today, does raise some questions about the history of that system because we are pretty sure that planets of that mass cannot form so close to the star. It's probably a gas giant planet at that mass, and it probably formed much further out, say at about Jupiter's distance. But as it was accreting material, it gradually spiraled inward and ended up where it is today, passing through the habitable zone on the way, sweeping up any terrestrial planets, making life miserable for any young life forms getting started there. | yeah in fact the presence of that planet while it does not interfere with the habitable zone today does raise some questions about the history of that system because we are. pretty sure that planets of that, mass cannot, form, so close to the star it's probably a gas giant planet at that mass and it probably formed. much further out say at. about jupiter's distance but as it was accreting material, it gradually spiraled; inward and ended, up, where it is today passing through the habitable zone on the way sweeping up any terrestrial planets, making. life miserable for any young. life forms getting started | Yeah In fact the presence of that planet while it does not interfere with. the habitable zone today, does raise some questions about, the history; of that system because we are pretty. sure that planets of, that mass cannot form. so close, to the star It's probably a gas giant planet at that mass and it probably formed much further out say. at about Jupiter's distance But as it was accreting material it gradually spiraled inward and ended up where, it is today, passing through the habitable zone on, the way sweeping up any, terrestrial planets making life miserable for any young life forms getting. started, | yeah. in fact the presence of that planet, while it does not interfere with the habitable zone today, does raise some questions about the history of that system because we are pretty sure that planets of that mass cannot form so close to the star. it's probably a gas giant planet at that mass, and it probably formed much further out, say at about jupiter's distance. but as it was accreting material, it gradually spiraled inward and ended up where it is today, passing through the habitable zone on the way, sweeping up any terrestrial planets, making life miserable for any young life forms getting started there. |
But why would you look there if life is miserable for any life-forms to get started? Why even look at that place? | but, why would you look there, if life is miserable for any life-forms to get started? why even look at that | But why would you look there if life is miserable for any life-forms to get started? Why, even look at that | but why would you look there if life is miserable for any life-forms to get started? why even look at that place? |
Well, you know, we haven't ruled out the possibility that after the planet swept through, terrestrial planets were able to form. It's all about time-scales. If that happened very early on in the planet forming history of that system, it's possible that terrestrial planets were still able to form in the habitable zone afterwards. | well you know we haven't ruled out the possibility that after, the planet swept through terrestrial planets were able, to form it's all about time-scales if that happened very early on in the planet forming history of that system it's, possible that terrestrial planets were still able to form, in the habitable zone | Well. you know we haven't ruled out the possibility that after the; planet swept through terrestrial planets were able to form It's all about time-scales If that. happened very early on in the planet forming history of that system it's possible that terrestrial planets were still; able, to form in the habitable zone | well, you know, we haven't ruled out the possibility that after the planet swept through, terrestrial planets were able to form. it's all about time-scales. if that happened very early on in the planet forming history of that system, it's possible that terrestrial planets were still able to form in the habitable zone afterwards. |
Ah-hah. There is enough time then and that must be an element that you use in your criteria. | ah-hah there is enough. time then and that, must be an element that you use; in your | Ah-hah There is enough time then and that, must be an element that you use in your | ah-hah. there is enough time then and that must be an element that you use in your criteria. |
It is. | it | It. | it is. |
To allow enough time for evolution to happen. | to allow enough. time for evolution to | To allow enough time for evolution to, | to allow enough time for evolution to happen. |
Yes, it absolutely is, and all of these stars that I'm talking about are, at least the five that I'm giving you right now, they are all old. Like this one, old as in around five billion years, at least three billion years old, any younger than that and I refuse to allow it on to my SETI target list. | yes it. absolutely is and all, of these stars that i'm talking about are. at least the five that i'm giving you right now they are all old like this one old as in around five billion years at least three billion. years. old any, younger than that and i refuse to allow it on to my seti target | Yes it absolutely is and. all of these stars that I'm; talking about are at least the five that. I'm, giving you right now they are all old Like this one old as in around. five billion years at least three, billion years old any younger than that and I refuse to allow it on to my SETI target | yes, it absolutely is, and all of these stars that i'm talking about are, at least the five that i'm giving you right now, they are all old. like this one, old as in around five billion years, at least three billion years old, any younger than that and i refuse to allow it on to my seti target list. |
How is this been paid for, this search for these planets? | how is this been paid for this search for these | How is this been paid for this search for these | how is this been paid for, this search for these planets? |
Well, in the case of searching for technological signals, the SETI Institute and the Berkeley Radio Astronomy Laboratory are partnering up with Paul Allen, co-founder of Microsoft, to build the Allen Telescope Array in Northern California. | well in; the case of searching for technological signals the seti institute and the berkeley radio astronomy laboratory are partnering up with paul allen co-founder of microsoft, to build the allen telescope array in northern | Well in the case of searching for technological signals the SETI Institute and the Berkeley Radio Astronomy Laboratory are partnering up with Paul Allen co-founder of Microsoft to build the Allen Telescope, Array in Northern | well, in the case of searching for technological signals, the seti institute and the berkeley radio astronomy laboratory are partnering up with paul allen, co-founder of microsoft, to build the allen telescope array in northern california. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. |
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And that is going to be an array, when it's finished, of about 350 radio dishes, small radio dishes, and we'll be able to do SETI 24/7 from that telescope. | and that is going to be an array when it's, finished of, about 350 radio, dishes small radio dishes and we'll be able. to do seti 24/7 from, that | And that is going to be, an array when it's finished of about 350 radio dishes small radio dishes and we'll be able to do SETI 24/7 from that | and that is going to be an array, when it's finished, of about 350 radio dishes, small radio dishes, and we'll be able to do seti 24/7 from that telescope. |
Is this program affected by any of the cuts in the government, or NASA funding, that we keep hearing about? | is this program affected by any of the cuts in the government or nasa funding that we keep hearing | Is this program affected by any of the cuts in the government or NASA. funding that we keep hearing | is this program affected by any of the cuts in the government, or nasa funding, that we keep hearing about? |
SETI not so much. However, you know, remember I was telling you that's kind of a trick question when you ask what's the best place to look for life in the solar neighborhood. SETI is only, SETI is one way of doing this. | seti not so much however you know remember i. was telling. you that's kind of a. trick question when. you ask what's the best place to look for life in the solar neighborhood seti is only seti is one way of doing | SETI not so much However you know remember I was, telling you that's kind of a trick question when you ask what's the best place to look. for life in the solar neighborhood SETI is only SETI is one way of doing | seti not so much. however, you know, remember i was telling you that's kind of a trick question when you ask what's the best place to look for life in the solar neighborhood. seti is only, seti is one way of doing this. |
Another way of doing this is to try to directly image, just take pictures of planets like Earth orbiting in the habitable zones of nearby stars. We want to see these planets with out own eyes. We want to hone in on those planets and see if we can see bio-signatures, signs of water, oxygen, methane, carbon dioxide, and so on. And there is, in fact, a mission in the planning stages to do just exactly that. It's NASA's terrestrial planet finder mission, and this mission represents the absolute state of the art in imaging technology. | another, way of doing this is. to try to directly. image just take pictures of planets like, earth orbiting in the habitable zones of nearby stars we want to see these planets with out own eyes we want to hone in on. those planets and see if we can see bio-signatures signs of water oxygen methane carbon. dioxide and so on and there is in fact. a mission in the planning stages to do just exactly that it's. nasa's terrestrial planet finder mission and this mission represents, the absolute state of the art in imaging | Another way of doing, this is to try to directly image just take pictures of planets like Earth orbiting in the habitable zones of nearby stars We want to see these planets with out own eyes We want to hone in, on those planets and see if we can see, bio-signatures signs, of water oxygen methane carbon; dioxide and so on And there is in fact a mission in the planning stages to do just exactly that It's. NASA's terrestrial planet finder mission and. this mission represents the absolute state of the art in imaging. | another way of doing this is to try to directly image, just take pictures of planets like earth orbiting in the habitable zones of nearby stars. we want to see these planets with out own eyes. we want to hone in on those planets and see if we can see bio-signatures, signs of water, oxygen, methane, carbon dioxide, and so on. and there is, in fact, a mission in the planning stages to do just exactly that. it's nasa's terrestrial planet finder mission, and this mission represents the absolute state of the art in imaging technology. |
And is it funded, is it going to happen? | and is, it, funded is it going to | And is it funded is it going to | and is it funded, is it going to happen? |
It has been funded up until this year at which point its funding was cut by about a factor of ten. | it has been funded up until this year at which point its funding was cut by about a factor of | It has been funded up until this year at which point its funding was cut by about a factor of. | it has been funded up until this year at which point its funding was cut by about a factor of ten. |
Wow. | wow. |
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So, even just to get through the remainder of 2006, it's not entirely clear where the money is going to come from. And, in fact, in the president's budget for 2007, it has been completely zeroed out. | so even just to get through the remainder of 2006, it's not entirely clear where the money. is going to come from and in fact in the president's budget for 2007, it has been completely zeroed | So, even just to get through the remainder of 2006, it's not entirely clear where the money is going to come from And in fact in the president's budget for 2007, it has. been completely. zeroed | so, even just to get through the remainder of 2006, it's not entirely clear where the money is going to come from. and, in fact, in the president's budget for 2007, it has been completely zeroed out. |
Oh, well... | oh | Oh | oh, well... |
However, that's still a proposal. That is still a proposal. | however that's still, a proposal that is; still a | However that's still a proposal That is still a | however, that's still a proposal. that is still a proposal. |
Right. | right. |
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And if Congress is behind this mission and taxpayers are behind this mission, the funding can be restored. | and if congress is behind. this mission and taxpayers are behind this mission the funding can be | And if Congress is behind this mission and taxpayers. are behind this mission the funding can be | and if congress is behind this mission and taxpayers are behind this mission, the funding can be restored. |
Well, let's, we'll hope for you in keeping your fingers crossed, Maggie Turnbull. | well let's we'll hope for, you in; keeping your fingers. crossed maggie. | Well let's we'll hope for you in keeping your, fingers crossed Maggie. | well, let's, we'll hope for you in keeping your fingers crossed, maggie turnbull. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank, | thank you. |
Thank you for taking time to be with us. | thank you for taking time to be with | Thank you for taking time to be with, | thank you for taking time to be with us. |
Thanks a lot. | thanks a | Thanks a | thanks a lot. |
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I'm Ira Flatow; this is TALK OF THE NATION SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR News. | i'm ira flatow this is talk of the nation science friday from npr | I'm Ira Flatow this is TALK, OF THE. NATION SCIENCE FRIDAY from NPR | i'm ira flatow; this is talk of the nation science friday from npr news. |
And I'm David Greene with a fact that might surprise you. The Great Lakes have more beach coastline than the East and West coasts combined, but one consequence of that - hundreds of drownings every year. That's partly because the lakes have dangerous currents that are very different from those found in the ocean. Elizabeth Miller reported this story for Great Lakes Today from WCPN Ideastream in Cleveland. | and i'm david greene with a fact that might surprise you the great lakes have, more beach coastline than the east and, west coasts combined but one; consequence of that; - hundreds of drownings every year that's partly because the, lakes have dangerous currents that are very different from those found in the ocean elizabeth miller reported this story for great lakes today from wcpn ideastream; in | And I'm David Greene with a fact that might surprise you The Great Lakes have more beach coastline than the East. and West coasts combined but one consequence of that - hundreds of drownings every year That's partly because the lakes have dangerous currents that are very different from those found in. the ocean Elizabeth Miller reported this story for Great Lakes Today from WCPN. Ideastream in | and i'm david greene with a fact that might surprise you. the great lakes have more beach coastline than the east and west coasts combined, but one consequence of that - hundreds of drownings every year. that's partly because the lakes have dangerous currents that are very different from those found in the ocean. elizabeth miller reported this story for great lakes today from wcpn ideastream in cleveland. |
Thanks very much. Let's go next to - this is James and James with us from Bennettsville in South Carolina. | thanks very much let's go, next to - this is james and james with us from bennettsville in south | Thanks very much Let's go; next to. - this is James and James. with us, from Bennettsville. in South | thanks very much. let's go next to - this is james and james with us from bennettsville in south carolina. |
The five Great Lakes border eight states and one Canadian province. They're used for commercial shipping and fishing and for recreational boating and swimming. There's even surfing. But the high waves on these waters can be especially dangerous. According to the Great Lakes Surf Rescue Project, just last year, 55 people died in those waters, though not all were due to currents. This year's total already surpasses that. And the project's Bob Pratt says weather may be responsible for the 69 deaths so far this year. | the five great lakes border eight states and one canadian province they're used for commercial shipping and fishing and for recreational boating and swimming there's even surfing but the high waves on these, waters, can be, especially, dangerous, according to the great lakes. surf rescue, project just last year 55 people died in those waters though not all were due to currents this year's total already surpasses that and the project's bob pratt says weather may be responsible for the 69 deaths. so far this | The five. Great Lakes border eight states and one Canadian province They're used for. commercial shipping. and fishing and, for recreational boating and swimming There's even surfing But the high waves on these waters can be especially dangerous According to the Great Lakes Surf Rescue Project just last year 55 people died in those, waters though not all were due to currents This year's total already surpasses that And the project's Bob Pratt says weather may be responsible for the 69 deaths so, far this. | the five great lakes border eight states and one canadian province. they're used for commercial shipping and fishing and for recreational boating and swimming. there's even surfing. but the high waves on these waters can be especially dangerous. according to the great lakes surf rescue project, just last year, 55 people died in those waters, though not all were due to currents. this year's total already surpasses that. and the project's bob pratt says weather may be responsible for the 69 deaths so far this year. |
We don't get wave action in the summertime until the lake warms up enough so that the warm air makes contact with the warm water. | we don't get, wave action in the summertime until the. lake warms, up enough so that the warm air makes contact with the warm | We don't get wave action in the summertime until the lake warms up enough. so that the warm air makes contact with the warm | we don't get wave action in the summertime until the lake warms up enough so that the warm air makes contact with the warm water. |
And that leads to dangerous currents and waves. Mark Breederland teaches water safety with the group Michigan Sea Grant. He says wind plays a big role. | and that leads to dangerous currents and waves mark breederland teaches water safety with the group michigan; sea grant he says, wind plays a big | And that leads to dangerous currents and waves. Mark Breederland teaches water safety. with the, group Michigan Sea Grant He says wind plays; a big | and that leads to dangerous currents and waves. mark breederland teaches water safety with the group michigan sea grant. he says wind plays a big role. |
It can start out pretty calm. Pretty soon, it picks up. You know, you're out there just enjoying the beach, and you're not really thinking about it. And all of a sudden, man, the waves have come way up from what they were when you first started. | it can start; out pretty calm pretty soon. it picks up you; know you're out there just, enjoying the beach and you're not really thinking about it and all of a sudden man the waves. have. come way up from. what they were when you first | It can start, out pretty calm Pretty soon it picks up You know you're out there just enjoying the beach and you're not really thinking about it And; all of a sudden man the. waves have come way up from what they. were when you first | it can start out pretty calm. pretty soon, it picks up. you know, you're out there just enjoying the beach, and you're not really thinking about it. and all of a sudden, man, the waves have come way up from what they were when you first started. |
The waves come more frequently in the Great Lakes, too. They typically last three to five seconds, while in the ocean, waves last about 10 seconds or longer. And while the waves may look similar, they combine with the wind to produce dangerous currents. Megan Dodson of the National Weather Service says that's especially true on Lake Michigan. | the waves come more frequently in the great lakes too they typically last three to five seconds while; in the ocean, waves last. about 10 seconds or longer and while the waves may look similar they combine with the. wind to produce dangerous currents megan dodson of the national weather service says that's especially true on lake | The waves come more frequently in the Great Lakes too They typically last three to five seconds while in the ocean, waves last about 10 seconds or longer And, while the waves may look similar they combine with the wind to, produce dangerous currents, Megan Dodson of the National Weather Service says that's especially true on Lake | the waves come more frequently in the great lakes, too. they typically last three to five seconds, while in the ocean, waves last about 10 seconds or longer. and while the waves may look similar, they combine with the wind to produce dangerous currents. megan dodson of the national weather service says that's especially true on lake michigan. |
When you have really strong wind blowing from the west toward the northwest and southwest, that causes the water to pile up near the beaches on western Michigan. You'll get better water piling up. You have a better chance for currents to develop. | when you have really, strong wind blowing from the west; toward the. northwest, and southwest that causes the water to pile, up near the beaches on western michigan you'll get better water piling up. you have a better, chance for currents to | When you have really strong. wind blowing from the west toward the northwest and southwest that causes the water to pile up near the beaches. on, western, Michigan You'll get better water piling up You have a better chance for currents to | when you have really strong wind blowing from the west toward the northwest and southwest, that causes the water to pile up near the beaches on western michigan. you'll get better water piling up. you have a better chance for currents to develop. |
And the currents aren't always visible from shore. Rip currents are caused by a break in the sandbar underneath the water and can knock you off your feet, pulling you into open waters. Experts say at least 20 people have drowned in Lake Michigan every year since 2010. That's more than any other Great Lake. And with more than 200 beaches in the state, efforts are underway to try and prevent drownings, things like flags and signs warning beachgoers when it's not safe to swim, but that doesn't mean swimmers obey them. | and the currents aren't. always visible from shore rip currents are caused by a break in the sandbar underneath the water and can knock you off your feet pulling you into open; waters experts say at, least 20 people, have drowned in lake michigan every year since 2010. that's, more than any other great lake and with more than 200 beaches in the state efforts are; underway to try and prevent drownings things like flags and signs. warning beachgoers when it's not safe to swim but that doesn't mean swimmers obey | And the currents aren't always visible, from shore Rip currents are. caused by a break in the sandbar underneath the water. and can knock you off your, feet pulling you into open waters. Experts say at least 20 people have drowned in Lake Michigan every year since 2010. That's, more than any other Great Lake; And with more than 200 beaches in the state efforts are underway to try and prevent drownings things like flags and signs warning, beachgoers when it's not safe to swim but that doesn't mean swimmers obey | and the currents aren't always visible from shore. rip currents are caused by a break in the sandbar underneath the water and can knock you off your feet, pulling you into open waters. experts say at least 20 people have drowned in lake michigan every year since 2010. that's more than any other great lake. and with more than 200 beaches in the state, efforts are underway to try and prevent drownings, things like flags and signs warning beachgoers when it's not safe to swim, but that doesn't mean swimmers obey them. |
On a recent red-flag day at Michigan's Warren Dunes State Park, beachgoers like Pam Shutts didn't let the chance of dangerous currents keep her or her two daughters out of the water. | on a recent red-flag day at michigan's warren dunes state park beachgoers, like pam shutts didn't let the chance of dangerous currents keep. her or her two daughters out of the | On. a recent red-flag day at Michigan's Warren. Dunes State Park beachgoers like Pam Shutts didn't let the chance of dangerous currents keep her or her two daughters out of the | on a recent red-flag day at michigan's warren dunes state park, beachgoers like pam shutts didn't let the chance of dangerous currents keep her or her two daughters out of the water. |
We know there's no lifeguard, so we kind of police each other and kind of keep tabs on where they are. | we know there's no lifeguard so we kind of police each other, and kind. of, keep tabs on where they, | We know there's no lifeguard so we kind. of police each other and kind of keep tabs; on where they | we know there's no lifeguard, so we kind of police each other and kind of keep tabs on where they are. |
There are no lifeguards at any of Michigan's state parks. Warren Dunes and other Great Lakes beaches rely on signs, and Michigan is working to make those easier to read. But Bob Pratt says it's difficult to know if signs prevent drowning. | there are no lifeguards at any of michigan's state, parks warren dunes and other great lakes beaches rely, on signs and, michigan. is working to. make. those easier to read but bob pratt says it's difficult to know. if signs prevent | There are no lifeguards, at any of. Michigan's state parks Warren Dunes and other Great Lakes beaches rely on signs and Michigan is working to make those easier to read But Bob Pratt says. it's. difficult to know. if signs prevent | there are no lifeguards at any of michigan's state parks. warren dunes and other great lakes beaches rely on signs, and michigan is working to make those easier to read. but bob pratt says it's difficult to know if signs prevent drowning. |
The patrons that are going to stop and read a warning sign are the patrons that are likely to bring a life jacket to the beach, are likely to already understand about some of the dangers. It's kind of like preaching to the choir. | the patrons that are going to stop and read, a warning sign are the patrons. that are likely to bring. a life jacket to the beach are likely, to already understand about some of the dangers it's kind of like preaching to the | The patrons that are going to stop and read a warning sign are the patrons that are likely to bring. a life jacket to the beach are, likely to, already understand, about some of the dangers It's kind of like, preaching to the | the patrons that are going to stop and read a warning sign are the patrons that are likely to bring a life jacket to the beach, are likely to already understand about some of the dangers. it's kind of like preaching to the choir. |
His group holds water safety courses all across the Great Lakes. It shows kayakers and others how to use everyday objects that float - things like footballs and plastic coolers - to help people struggling against a current. And while advocating safe swimming on the Great Lakes remains a challenge, officials continue to push for school water safety courses and lifeguards at every beach. | his group holds. water safety courses all across. the great lakes it shows kayakers and others how to use everyday objects that float - things like footballs and plastic coolers - to; help people struggling against a current and while advocating safe swimming on the great lakes remains a challenge officials continue to push; for school water safety courses and lifeguards at every | His group holds water safety courses all across the Great Lakes It shows kayakers and others how to use everyday objects that float. - things like, footballs and plastic coolers - to help people struggling against; a current And while advocating safe swimming on. the Great, Lakes remains. a challenge officials. continue to, push for school water safety courses and lifeguards at, every | his group holds water safety courses all across the great lakes. it shows kayakers and others how to use everyday objects that float - things like footballs and plastic coolers - to help people struggling against a current. and while advocating safe swimming on the great lakes remains a challenge, officials continue to push for school water safety courses and lifeguards at every beach. |
For NPR News, I'm Elizabeth Miller. | for npr, news i'm elizabeth | For NPR News I'm Elizabeth, | for npr news, i'm elizabeth miller. |
[POST-BROADCAST CORRECTION: In the audio of this story, we mistakenly say there are hundreds of drownings each year in the Great Lakes. In fact, as the story states, there were 55 such deaths last year and there have been 69 so far this year.] | [post-broadcast correction: in the, audio of this story we mistakenly, say there are, hundreds of drownings each year in, the great lakes, in. fact as. the story states there were 55 such. deaths last year and there have been, 69 so far this | [POST-BROADCAST CORRECTION: In the. audio of this story we mistakenly say there are hundreds of drownings each year in, the Great Lakes In, fact as the story states, there were 55 such. deaths last year and there have been. 69 so far this | [post-broadcast correction: in the audio of this story, we mistakenly say there are hundreds of drownings each year in the great lakes. in fact, as the story states, there were 55 such deaths last year and there have been 69 so far this year.] |
This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. | this is talk of the nation i'm neal, conan in | This is TALK OF THE NATION I'm Neal Conan. in | this is talk of the nation. i'm neal conan in washington. |
Last week, Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico declared a state of emergency in counties along the border with Mexico. On Monday, Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano followed suit. Both cited an overwhelming increase of criminal activity associated with the smuggling of people and drugs and what they described as federal neglect. To the east, the Mexican city of Nuevo Laredo has been engulfed in a deadly war as gangs struggle for control of smuggling routes. The United States Consulate there was closed for a week this month to double check security, and the State Department has issued travel warnings for US travel through or along the Mexican border. | last week governor bill richardson of new mexico declared a, state of emergency in. counties along the border with; mexico on monday arizona governor janet napolitano followed, suit both cited an overwhelming increase, of, criminal activity associated with the smuggling of people and. drugs and what. they described as federal, neglect. to the east the mexican city of nuevo laredo has been, engulfed in a deadly war as gangs struggle for control of smuggling routes the united states consulate there was closed for a week this month to double check security and the state, department has issued travel warnings for us travel through or along the mexican | Last week Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico declared a state of emergency in counties along; the border with Mexico On Monday Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano followed suit Both cited an overwhelming increase of criminal activity associated with the smuggling of people, and drugs and what they described as federal neglect To the east the Mexican city of Nuevo Laredo has been engulfed in a deadly war as gangs struggle for control, of smuggling routes The United States Consulate there was closed for a. week this month to double. check security and the State Department has issued travel warnings for US, travel through or along; the Mexican, | last week, governor bill richardson of new mexico declared a state of emergency in counties along the border with mexico. on monday, arizona governor janet napolitano followed suit. both cited an overwhelming increase of criminal activity associated with the smuggling of people and drugs and what they described as federal neglect. to the east, the mexican city of nuevo laredo has been engulfed in a deadly war as gangs struggle for control of smuggling routes. the united states consulate there was closed for a week this month to double check security, and the state department has issued travel warnings for us travel through or along the mexican border. |
Later this hour we'll cross the border into Mexico and take a look at what people there think about emigration to the US. A new study from the Pew Hispanic Center finds that more than 40 percent of Mexican nationals would move to the US if given the opportunity to do so legally. We'll talk with the author of that study and with a critic, and we'll ask what large and persistent emigration says about Mexico. | later this hour, we'll cross the border into mexico and take a look at what, people. there think. about, emigration to the. us a new study from the pew hispanic center finds, that more than 40 percent, of mexican nationals would move to the us if given the. opportunity to do so legally we'll talk with the author of that study and with a critic and we'll ask what large and persistent, emigration says about | Later this hour we'll, cross the border into Mexico and take a look at what people there think about emigration, to the US A new study, from the, Pew Hispanic Center finds that more than 40 percent of Mexican nationals would move. to the US if; given the opportunity to, do, so legally We'll talk with the author of that study and with a critic and we'll ask what large and persistent emigration says about | later this hour we'll cross the border into mexico and take a look at what people there think about emigration to the us. a new study from the pew hispanic center finds that more than 40 percent of mexican nationals would move to the us if given the opportunity to do so legally. we'll talk with the author of that study and with a critic, and we'll ask what large and persistent emigration says about mexico. |
But first, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson joins us. If you have questions about the impact of immigration and crime on the border or the role of state and federal governments, our number here in Washington is (800) 989-8255. That's (800) 989-TALK. The e-mail address is [email protected]. And Governor Richardson joins us now from his office in Santa Fe, New Mexico. | but first new mexico governor bill richardson joins us. if you have questions about the impact of immigration and crime on the border or the role of state and federal governments, our number here in washington is (800) 989-8255. that's (800) 989-talk, the e-mail address is [email protected] and governor. richardson. joins us now from his office in, santa fe; new | But first New Mexico Governor Bill, Richardson joins us If you have questions about the. impact, of immigration and crime on the border or the role of. state and federal governments our number here in Washington is; (800) 989-8255. That's (800) 989-TALK, The. e-mail address is [email protected] And Governor Richardson joins us now from his office in. Santa Fe New | but first, new mexico governor bill richardson joins us. if you have questions about the impact of immigration and crime on the border or the role of state and federal governments, our number here in washington is (800) 989-8255. that's (800) 989-talk. the e-mail address is [email protected]. and governor richardson joins us now from his office in santa fe, new mexico. |
And it's nice to have you on TALK OF THE NATION. | and it's nice to have you, on talk of the | And, it's nice to have you on TALK OF THE | and it's nice to have you on talk of the nation. |
Thank you, Neal. | thank you | Thank you | thank you, neal. |
Was there a single event that prompted you to declare this state of emergency? | was there a single event that prompted you to declare this state of | Was there. a single event that prompted. you to declare this, state of | was there a single event that prompted you to declare this state of emergency? |
Yes. I overflew the area in a helicopter, and I saw with my own eyes the paths where the illegal drug trafficking and undocumented workers were being transported. I saw a total absence of any law enforcement on the border. I saw fences that were torn down. I saw a little town called Los Chapos(ph) on the Mexican side that is used as a staging area for smuggling of drugs and undocumented workers. I actually saw some movement there. And then I saw some cattle that I could see from the helicopter that were obviously dead. They were down, and there's been a whole series of kidnappings. And I just saw with my own eyes. I was actually gonna make a decision on increasing the fence that protected the cattle, but then when I saw the overflight, I decided right there that I'd do an executive order to trigger some funds, declare the area an emergency and basically try to respond to my constituents in southern New Mexico--ranchers, law enforcement officials--who wanted me to take this step. | yes i overflew the area in a helicopter and i saw, with my own eyes the paths where the illegal drug trafficking. and undocumented workers were being transported. i saw a total absence of any law enforcement on the border i saw fences that were torn, down i saw a little town called, los chapos(ph) on the mexican side that is used as; a staging area for smuggling; of drugs and undocumented workers i actually saw some movement there and then i saw some cattle that i could see from the helicopter that were obviously, dead they were down and there's been a whole series of kidnappings and i just saw with my own eyes i was actually gonna make a decision on increasing; the fence that protected the cattle, but then when i, saw the overflight i decided right, there, that i'd do an executive order to trigger some funds declare the area, an emergency and basically try to respond to my constituents in southern new mexico--ranchers law enforcement officials--who wanted; me. to take this; | Yes I overflew the, area. in a helicopter and I. saw with, my own eyes the paths where the illegal; drug trafficking and undocumented workers were being transported I saw, a total, absence of any law enforcement on the border I saw. fences that, were torn down I saw a little town called Los Chapos(ph) on the Mexican side that is used as a staging area for smuggling of drugs and undocumented workers I actually saw, some movement there And then I saw some cattle that I could see from the helicopter that were obviously dead They, were down and there's been a whole series of kidnappings And I just. saw with my own. eyes I was actually gonna make a decision on increasing the fence that protected the, cattle but then when I saw the overflight I decided right. there that I'd do an executive order to trigger some funds declare the area an emergency and basically try to respond, to, my constituents in southern New Mexico--ranchers law enforcement officials--who wanted. me to take this | yes. i overflew the area in a helicopter, and i saw with my own eyes the paths where the illegal drug trafficking and undocumented workers were being transported. i saw a total absence of any law enforcement on the border. i saw fences that were torn down. i saw a little town called los chapos(ph) on the mexican side that is used as a staging area for smuggling of drugs and undocumented workers. i actually saw some movement there. and then i saw some cattle that i could see from the helicopter that were obviously dead. they were down, and there's been a whole series of kidnappings. and i just saw with my own eyes. i was actually gonna make a decision on increasing the fence that protected the cattle, but then when i saw the overflight, i decided right there that i'd do an executive order to trigger some funds, declare the area an emergency and basically try to respond to my constituents in southern new mexico--ranchers, law enforcement officials--who wanted me to take this step. |
And what does the state of emergency mean? You mentioned funding. Is there more than just state funds that come out of this? | and what, does the state of emergency mean? you mentioned funding is there more than, just state funds that come out of | And what does the state of emergency; mean? You mentioned funding Is there. more than just state funds that come out of | and what does the state of emergency mean? you mentioned funding. is there more than just state funds that come out of this? |
The fighting between Israel and the Palestinians reminds us that world events do not wait for changes of leadership in Washington. President-elect Barack Obama will not take office for another three weeks, which means he'll watch from the sidelines as the current administration responds to a crisis that Obama will inherit very soon. For some analysis of this moment, we're joined now by NPR's senior Washington editor Ron Elving, who's with us most Mondays. Hi Ron. | the fighting; between israel and the palestinians reminds us that world events do not wait for changes of leadership in washington president-elect barack. obama will, not, take office for another three weeks which means he'll watch from. the sidelines as the current administration. responds to a crisis that obama will inherit very soon for some analysis of this moment we're joined now by npr's senior washington editor ron elving who's with us most, mondays hi | The fighting between Israel and the Palestinians, reminds. us that world events do not wait, for changes of leadership in Washington President-elect Barack Obama will not take, office for another three weeks which means he'll watch from the sidelines as the current administration responds to a crisis that Obama will inherit very soon For some analysis of this moment we're joined now by NPR's senior Washington editor Ron Elving; who's with us, most Mondays Hi | the fighting between israel and the palestinians reminds us that world events do not wait for changes of leadership in washington. president-elect barack obama will not take office for another three weeks, which means he'll watch from the sidelines as the current administration responds to a crisis that obama will inherit very soon. for some analysis of this moment, we're joined now by npr's senior washington editor ron elving, who's with us most mondays. hi ron. |
Good to be with you, Madeleine. | good, to be with you | Good to be with you | good to be with you, madeleine. |
Well, so how much is President-elect Obama being consulted on the U.S. response at this point? | well so how much is president-elect obama being consulted, on the u.s response at this | Well so how, much is President-elect Obama being consulted on the U.S response at this | well, so how much is president-elect obama being consulted on the u.s. response at this point? |
Not so much consulted as kept informed. He gets regular security briefings, of course. He had one on Sunday. He has had conversations with Secretary of State Rice, and he is expected to talk today to his own incoming national security adviser, General James Jones, and also to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is his own nominee, of course, for Secretary of State. She's certainly sharing in a lot of the information. She's a senator; she's on Armed Services; she's been immersed in much of this for many years; she's had top clearances; and I'm sure the Obama folks are sharing with her. | not so, much consulted as kept informed he gets regular security briefings of course he had, one on sunday he has had conversations with secretary, of state rice and, he is expected to talk today to his own incoming national security adviser general. james jones. and also to senator hillary rodham clinton who is his own nominee of course for secretary of state she's certainly. sharing, in a lot of the information she's, a senator she's on armed services she's been, immersed in much of. this for. many years she's had top clearances and i'm sure the obama folks are sharing with | Not so much consulted as kept. informed He gets regular security briefings of course He had one on Sunday He has had conversations with Secretary of State Rice and he is expected to talk. today to his own incoming national security adviser General James Jones and also to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton who is. his own nominee of course for Secretary of State She's certainly sharing in a lot of the information She's a senator she's on Armed Services she's been immersed in much of this for. many years she's had top, clearances and I'm sure the Obama, folks, are sharing with | not so much consulted as kept informed. he gets regular security briefings, of course. he had one on sunday. he has had conversations with secretary of state rice, and he is expected to talk today to his own incoming national security adviser, general james jones, and also to senator hillary rodham clinton, who is his own nominee, of course, for secretary of state. she's certainly sharing in a lot of the information. she's a senator; she's on armed services; she's been immersed in much of this for many years; she's had top clearances; and i'm sure the obama folks are sharing with her. |
And how much does his stated policy regarding the Middle East - how much does it differ from the Bush administration's? | and how much does his stated. policy regarding the; middle east - how much does it differ from the bush | And how much does his stated policy regarding the Middle East - how much does it differ from the Bush. | and how much does his stated policy regarding the middle east - how much does it differ from the bush administration's? |
First of, the similarities: He supports Israel and its right to security as a fundament of American policy. There are going to be significant differences, however, in approach and strategy. And I think that there's some expectation in some parts of the world that Barack Obama will be somewhat more sympathetic to the Palestinian case and to the Arab case in the Israeli-Arab conflict, although he has made many statements about reassuring Israel about his commitment to their security. | first. of the, similarities: he supports israel and its right to security as a fundament of. american policy there are going to be significant differences however in approach and strategy and i think that there's. some, expectation in some parts of the world that barack obama will be somewhat more sympathetic to the palestinian, case. and, to the arab case in the israeli-arab conflict although he has made many statements about, reassuring israel about his commitment to their | First of the similarities: He supports Israel and its right to security as a; fundament of American policy There are going, to be. significant differences however in approach and strategy And I think that there's, some expectation in some, parts of, the world. that. Barack Obama will be somewhat more. sympathetic to the Palestinian case and to the Arab case in the Israeli-Arab conflict although he has made many statements about reassuring Israel about. his commitment to their. | first of, the similarities: he supports israel and its right to security as a fundament of american policy. there are going to be significant differences, however, in approach and strategy. and i think that there's some expectation in some parts of the world that barack obama will be somewhat more sympathetic to the palestinian case and to the arab case in the israeli-arab conflict, although he has made many statements about reassuring israel about his commitment to their security. |
Now, maybe one thing that would be particularly different would be a greater openness to talking to some of the adversaries of Israel. Barack Obama has said that he does not want to dismiss the prospect of talking to anyone in the world. And I think that also he would be less inclined to some of the rhetoric that we've heard from the Bush administration with respect to the adversaries. Just over the weekend, spokesman Gordon Johndroe from the White House referred to Hamas as nothing but a gang of thugs. They may be in many people's eyes, but just from the standpoint of diplomatic rhetoric, there's a pattern to that sort of labeling of people as terrorists, and it limits, at the least, your opportunity for negotiation and limits your maneuvering space. | now maybe. one thing that would be particularly different would be a greater, openness to talking to some of the adversaries of israel barack obama has said that he does not want to dismiss the prospect of talking to anyone in the world and i think that also he would be less, inclined to some of the rhetoric that we've heard from the bush administration with respect to the adversaries just over the weekend spokesman gordon johndroe, from the white, house referred to hamas as. nothing but a gang, of thugs they may be in many people's eyes but just from the standpoint of diplomatic rhetoric. there's a pattern to. that sort. of labeling of people as terrorists and it limits at the least your opportunity for negotiation; and limits your maneuvering | Now maybe one thing; that would be particularly different would be a greater. openness to talking to some. of. the adversaries of, Israel Barack, Obama has said that he does not want to dismiss the prospect of talking to anyone in the world And I think that also he would be less, inclined to some of, the rhetoric that we've heard from the Bush administration, with respect to the adversaries Just over. the weekend spokesman Gordon Johndroe from the White House referred to Hamas as nothing but a gang of thugs. They may be in many people's eyes but just from, the standpoint of diplomatic rhetoric there's a, pattern to that sort, of labeling, of people as terrorists and it limits at the least your opportunity for negotiation and limits your maneuvering. | now, maybe one thing that would be particularly different would be a greater openness to talking to some of the adversaries of israel. barack obama has said that he does not want to dismiss the prospect of talking to anyone in the world. and i think that also he would be less inclined to some of the rhetoric that we've heard from the bush administration with respect to the adversaries. just over the weekend, spokesman gordon johndroe from the white house referred to hamas as nothing but a gang of thugs. they may be in many people's eyes, but just from the standpoint of diplomatic rhetoric, there's a pattern to that sort of labeling of people as terrorists, and it limits, at the least, your opportunity for negotiation and limits your maneuvering space. |
Well, speaking of talking, do you think that Mr. Obama is now speaking with both the Israeli and Palestinian leaders? | well speaking, of talking. do you think that mr obama is now speaking. with both; the israeli and palestinian | Well speaking of talking do you think that. Mr Obama is. now speaking with both the Israeli and Palestinian | well, speaking of talking, do you think that mr. obama is now speaking with both the israeli and palestinian leaders? |
I would not expect that. It would not necessarily be in his interest to do that. There's certain amount of meaning in the often-repeated statement that we just have one president at a time, and of course, over the weekend, we heard Obama's people repeating that. It's really not something that makes sense for him to be caught up in, the decision-making or negotiations, until he has a standing to be so and to be doing so as president of United States. | i would not expect that it would not. necessarily be in his interest to, do that there's certain amount of meaning in the often-repeated statement that we just have one, president at a time and of course over the weekend we heard obama's, people repeating. that, it's really not something that makes sense for him, to be caught up in the decision-making or negotiations until he; has a standing to be so and to, be doing so as president of united | I would not expect, that, It would not necessarily be in his interest to, do that There's certain amount of meaning in the often-repeated. statement that we just have one president at a time, and. of course over the weekend we heard Obama's people repeating that It's really. not something that makes sense for him to be caught up in the decision-making or negotiations until he has a, standing to be so and to be doing so. as president of United | i would not expect that. it would not necessarily be in his interest to do that. there's certain amount of meaning in the often-repeated statement that we just have one president at a time, and of course, over the weekend, we heard obama's people repeating that. it's really not something that makes sense for him to be caught up in, the decision-making or negotiations, until he has a standing to be so and to be doing so as president of united states. |
Well, this is certainly something that Mr. Obama doesn't need right now, given that he's got a lot on his plate dealing with the economy. How distracting will it be for him? | well this is certainly something that mr obama doesn't need right now given that he's got a lot on his plate dealing with the economy how distracting will it be. for | Well, this is certainly something that Mr Obama doesn't need right now given that he's. got a lot on his. plate dealing with the economy How distracting will it be for | well, this is certainly something that mr. obama doesn't need right now, given that he's got a lot on his plate dealing with the economy. how distracting will it be for him? |
It would be a tremendous distraction, except that this is the nature of the job, and he has himself said, back during the campaign, a president of the United States needs to be able to focus on more than one crisis at a time. It's a good thing he's thinking that way because he's going to have lots of them, and he's going to have to try to use the energy and the attention focus that he gets from one crisis to keep the country going forward on a number of fronts - that's the economy, the energy crisis, the healthcare situation - all of this while he tries to deal with international crises. That's the situation we're in, and he seems to know that, and he seems to be up for it. | it would be a, tremendous distraction except that this is the nature of the job and he has himself said back, during the campaign a president of the united states needs; to be able to focus on more than one crisis at a time it's a good thing he's thinking that way because he's going to have lots. of them and he's going, to have to try to use the, energy and the attention focus that he gets from one crisis to keep the country going forward on a number of fronts - that's the economy the energy crisis the healthcare situation - all of this while he tries to deal with international crises that's the situation we're in and he seems to know that and he seems to be up for | It would be a, tremendous distraction. except that this is the nature of the job. and he has himself said back during the campaign a president. of the United States needs to be able to focus on more. than one. crisis at a time It's a, good thing he's thinking that way because he's going to have lots of. them and he's going to have to try to use the energy and the attention focus that he gets from one crisis to keep the country going forward on, a number, of fronts - that's the economy the energy crisis the healthcare situation - all of this while he tries to deal with international crises, That's the situation we're in and he seems to know that and he. seems to be up for | it would be a tremendous distraction, except that this is the nature of the job, and he has himself said, back during the campaign, a president of the united states needs to be able to focus on more than one crisis at a time. it's a good thing he's thinking that way because he's going to have lots of them, and he's going to have to try to use the energy and the attention focus that he gets from one crisis to keep the country going forward on a number of fronts - that's the economy, the energy crisis, the healthcare situation - all of this while he tries to deal with international crises. that's the situation we're in, and he seems to know that, and he seems to be up for it. |
NPR's senior Washington editor, Ron Elving. Thank you, Ron. | npr's senior washington editor ron elving thank. you. | NPR's senior Washington editor Ron Elving Thank you | npr's senior washington editor, ron elving. thank you, ron. |
Thank you Madeleine. | thank you, | Thank you | thank you madeleine. |
Most of the time, the news is about the thing that happened. But every once in a while, it's about what could have happened and didn't. That's the situation in California. Residents of Ridgecrest are cleaning up after powerful back-to-back earthquakes late last week. The first was a 6.4 magnitude quake on the Fourth of July. The next night, an even bigger 7.1 magnitude quake rattled the region again. Remarkably, no one was seriously hurt, and the infrastructure damage there is relatively minor. But Southern Californians are hearing a clear message not to let their guard down. | most of the time the news is about. the thing that happened but every once in a while it's about what could have happened and didn't that's the situation in california residents of ridgecrest are cleaning up after. powerful back-to-back earthquakes late last week the first was a, 6.4 magnitude quake on the fourth of july the next night an even bigger 7.1 magnitude quake; rattled the. region again remarkably no, one was seriously hurt and the infrastructure damage there; is relatively minor but southern californians are hearing a clear message not to let their. guard, | Most of the time the news is about the thing that happened But every once in a. while it's about what could have happened and didn't That's the situation in, California Residents of Ridgecrest are cleaning up after powerful back-to-back earthquakes; late last week The first was a 6.4 magnitude quake on the Fourth of July The next night an even bigger 7.1 magnitude quake rattled the region again Remarkably no one was seriously hurt and the infrastructure damage there is relatively minor But Southern Californians are hearing a clear message. not to, let their guard | most of the time, the news is about the thing that happened. but every once in a while, it's about what could have happened and didn't. that's the situation in california. residents of ridgecrest are cleaning up after powerful back-to-back earthquakes late last week. the first was a 6.4 magnitude quake on the fourth of july. the next night, an even bigger 7.1 magnitude quake rattled the region again. remarkably, no one was seriously hurt, and the infrastructure damage there is relatively minor. but southern californians are hearing a clear message not to let their guard down. |
We've got NPR's Eric Westervelt with us. He is in Ridgecrest. Eric, tell us about the conversations you've been having. How are people doing there? | we've got npr's eric westervelt with us he is in. ridgecrest eric tell us about the conversations you've been having how are people doing | We've got. NPR's Eric Westervelt with, us He. is, in, Ridgecrest Eric, tell us about the conversations you've been having; How are people. doing | we've got npr's eric westervelt with us. he is in ridgecrest. eric, tell us about the conversations you've been having. how are people doing there? |
Hey. Good morning, Rachel. I mean, I think it's a mixed bag. I mean, people are pretty proud. They feel like this city has pulled together and that things are really, incredibly, returning to normal. I mean, at a public forum last night, the mayor got a standing ovation along with first responders, loud cheers of thanks. I mean, everyone is very thankful the quake did not do more damage. I mean, bus service resumes today. Water and power have been restored. The hospital is back. Public works crews are patching roads. A handful of businesses that need it will get some structural inspections this week so they can reopen. You know, so that - a sense that things are back to normal very much. | hey good morning rachel i mean i think it's a mixed bag i mean people are pretty proud they feel like this city has pulled together and that things are really incredibly returning to normal i mean at a public forum last night the mayor got a standing ovation along with first responders loud cheers of thanks i mean everyone is very thankful. the quake did not do more damage i mean bus service resumes today water and power have been restored the hospital is back public works crews are patching roads a handful of businesses that need it will get some structural inspections this week so they can reopen, you know so that - a sense that things are back to normal very | Hey Good morning Rachel I mean I think it's a mixed. bag I mean people are pretty proud They feel like this city has pulled together and that things are really incredibly returning to normal I mean at a public forum last, night the mayor got a standing ovation along with, first responders loud cheers. of thanks I mean everyone is very thankful the quake did not do more; damage, I, mean bus service resumes today Water and power have been. restored The hospital, is back Public works crews are patching, roads A handful of businesses that need it will. get some structural inspections this week, so they can reopen You know, so that - a sense that things are back, to normal very | hey. good morning, rachel. i mean, i think it's a mixed bag. i mean, people are pretty proud. they feel like this city has pulled together and that things are really, incredibly, returning to normal. i mean, at a public forum last night, the mayor got a standing ovation along with first responders, loud cheers of thanks. i mean, everyone is very thankful the quake did not do more damage. i mean, bus service resumes today. water and power have been restored. the hospital is back. public works crews are patching roads. a handful of businesses that need it will get some structural inspections this week so they can reopen. you know, so that - a sense that things are back to normal very much. |
And yet, you know, the stress is real. The aftershocks are real. They keep coming. Kids and parents alike, you know, are feeling unnerved by this, and some have had trouble speaking - you know, sleeping. And I, you know, spoke with one woman, a Ridgecrest resident named Cheryl Smallwood (ph). | and yet you know the stress is real the aftershocks are real they keep coming kids and parents alike you know are feeling unnerved by this and some have had trouble speaking - you. know sleeping, and, i you know spoke with one woman, a ridgecrest resident named cheryl smallwood | And yet you know the stress is real The aftershocks are real They keep coming Kids and parents alike you know are feeling unnerved by this and some have had trouble speaking - you know sleeping And I you know spoke with one woman a Ridgecrest, resident named Cheryl Smallwood | and yet, you know, the stress is real. the aftershocks are real. they keep coming. kids and parents alike, you know, are feeling unnerved by this, and some have had trouble speaking - you know, sleeping. and i, you know, spoke with one woman, a ridgecrest resident named cheryl smallwood (ph). |
Well, I've been a little on edge. Out of all the years I've lived here, never been through one this big. I worry about my kids. I have two little ones. I hope that this never happens again. But I don't control that. | well i've been a little on edge out, of all the years i've lived. here never been through one this big i worry. about my kids i have, two little ones i hope that this never happens again but i don't control | Well. I've been a little. on edge Out of all the years I've lived here; never been through one this big I worry about. my kids I, have two little ones I hope, that this never happens again But I don't, control | well, i've been a little on edge. out of all the years i've lived here, never been through one this big. i worry about my kids. i have two little ones. i hope that this never happens again. but i don't control that. |
You know, and officials here are telling people, you know, reach out to counselors that we brought in. You know, a volunteer group was brought in. Therapy dogs, which have been a big hit with kids and with first responders, who've been busy working around the clock. You know, as one official put it to this crowd last night, you may not feel like yourself so please take the time to talk to someone. | you know and officials here are telling people; you know reach out to counselors that. we brought in you know a volunteer group. was brought in therapy dogs which have been. a, big hit with kids and with first responders who've been busy working around the clock you know as one official put it to this crowd last night, you may not feel like. yourself so please take the time. to talk to, | You know and officials here are telling people you know reach, out to counselors that we brought in You know a volunteer group was brought in Therapy dogs which have been a big hit with kids and with first responders who've been busy working around the clock You know as one official put. it to, this crowd last night you may not feel like yourself so, please take the time to talk to | you know, and officials here are telling people, you know, reach out to counselors that we brought in. you know, a volunteer group was brought in. therapy dogs, which have been a big hit with kids and with first responders, who've been busy working around the clock. you know, as one official put it to this crowd last night, you may not feel like yourself so please take the time to talk to someone. |
So what does it look like, Eric? | so. what does it look like | So what does it look like | so what does it look like, eric? |
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