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Mm-hmm. Well, I think it was the governor of Chihuahua said these declarations were unwarranted, the mayor of Juarez said this is a slap in the face, another part of the--I think he keeps talking about conspiracies to keep tourists out of his town. | mm-hmm well i think it was the governor of chihuahua said these declarations were unwarranted the mayor of juarez said this is a slap in the face another part of the--i think he, keeps talking. about conspiracies to keep tourists out of, his | Mm-hmm Well I think it was the governor of Chihuahua said these declarations were unwarranted the mayor of Juarez said this is a slap in the face another part of the--I think he keeps. talking about conspiracies to keep tourists out, of his | mm-hmm. well, i think it was the governor of chihuahua said these declarations were unwarranted, the mayor of juarez said this is a slap in the face, another part of the--i think he keeps talking about conspiracies to keep tourists out of his town. |
Well, as in the US, also in Mexico, many politics are local, so politicians reacted to their local constituencies. Of course, being a mayor in Juarez or a mayor in Nogales or a mayor in a Mexican city that corresponds with an Arizona-New Mexico city creates a reaction from their own constituencies. He has to react. And the governor, of course, has to react. But this is really a federal issue, as the governor of New Mexico was saying. This has to be dealt with in both governments, and both governments have to continue talking to see how can they manage this situation a better way. | well as in, the us also in mexico many politics are local so politicians reacted; to their local constituencies of course being. a mayor in juarez or a mayor, in nogales or a mayor in a, mexican city that corresponds with an arizona-new, mexico city creates a reaction; from their own constituencies he has to react and the governor of course has to react but, this, is really a federal issue as the governor of new, mexico was saying this has to be dealt with in both governments and both governments have to continue, talking to; see how can they manage this situation a better | Well as in the US also in Mexico many politics are local so politicians reacted to their local constituencies, Of course being a mayor in Juarez or a mayor in Nogales, or a mayor in a, Mexican city that, corresponds with an Arizona-New Mexico city creates a reaction from their, own constituencies He has to react And the governor of course has to react But. this is. really a federal issue as the governor of New Mexico was saying This has to be dealt with in, both governments and both governments have. to continue talking to see how can they manage this situation a better | well, as in the us, also in mexico, many politics are local, so politicians reacted to their local constituencies. of course, being a mayor in juarez or a mayor in nogales or a mayor in a mexican city that corresponds with an arizona-new mexico city creates a reaction from their own constituencies. he has to react. and the governor, of course, has to react. but this is really a federal issue, as the governor of new mexico was saying. this has to be dealt with in both governments, and both governments have to continue talking to see how can they manage this situation a better way. |
I think we just heard the governor of the state of New Mexico saying he's very frustrated by the fact that neither government is doing very much. What about the Mexican government? | i think we just heard the governor of the state of new mexico saying he's very frustrated by the fact that neither government is doing very much what about the. mexican | I think we just heard. the governor of the state of. New Mexico saying. he's very frustrated by, the fact that. neither; government is doing very much What about the, Mexican | i think we just heard the governor of the state of new mexico saying he's very frustrated by the fact that neither government is doing very much. what about the mexican government? |
I had just posted a job description at the Harvard School of Government because I was looking for someone to help me with my campaign. I knew what I needed. | i had just, posted; a job description at the harvard school of, government because i was looking for someone to help me with my campaign i knew. what i | I. had. just posted a job description, at the Harvard School of Government because I was looking for someone to help, me with my campaign I knew what I | i had just posted a job description at the harvard school of government because i was looking for someone to help me with my campaign. i knew what i needed. |
I think there is a lot of space to still work together. I think that the issue of migrants crossing the border without papers and traffickers profiting from this reality has to do with more structural situation that shouldn't be misunderstood or distorted. These people are basically good men and women trying to cross to get to better life, and there is a job waiting for them here. And what we don't have is a legal channel to put these people through the legal mechanisms that make this crossing safe and orderly. | i think there is a, lot of, space to still work together i think that the issue of migrants. crossing the border without papers and, traffickers. profiting from this reality has to do. with more structural situation that shouldn't be misunderstood or distorted these people are basically good. men and women trying, to cross to get to better life and there, is a job waiting, for them here and what we don't have. is a legal channel to put these people through the legal mechanisms that make. this crossing safe and | I think there is, a lot of space to still work together I think that the issue of migrants, crossing the border without papers and traffickers profiting. from this. reality has to do with more structural situation that shouldn't be misunderstood or distorted These people are basically, good. men and women trying to cross to, get to better life and there is a job waiting for them here And, what we don't have. is a legal channel; to put these; people through the legal mechanisms that make this crossing safe and. | i think there is a lot of space to still work together. i think that the issue of migrants crossing the border without papers and traffickers profiting from this reality has to do with more structural situation that shouldn't be misunderstood or distorted. these people are basically good men and women trying to cross to get to better life, and there is a job waiting for them here. and what we don't have is a legal channel to put these people through the legal mechanisms that make this crossing safe and orderly. |
But we're told something on the order of 400,000 Mexicans cross the border... | but we're told, something; on the order, of 400,000 mexicans cross the | But we're told something on the order of 400,000 Mexicans cross the | but we're told something on the order of 400,000 mexicans cross the border... |
Yeah, uh-huh. | yeah, | Yeah | yeah, uh-huh. |
...illegally every year. Can you envision a guest worker program endorsed by the United States Congress that's gonna take up 400,000 jobs? | ...illegally every year can you envision a guest worker program endorsed by the united states congress that's gonna take up | ...illegally every year Can you envision a guest worker program endorsed by, the United States Congress that's gonna take up | ...illegally every year. can you envision a guest worker program endorsed by the united states congress that's gonna take up 400,000 jobs? |
No. I think it's a very complex challenge for both countries. I think that it is not only the US Congress deciding, also Mexico has to play its role. I think it's an issue that is by definition binational. It has to have a shared responsibility. The initiatives discussed today in the Congress, in the US Senate talks about new visas for temporary workers, not for Mexicans but for everybody. We think that in the Mexican case, because of the vicinity and because of the history, many of those visas should be allocated to Mexican workers, and then Mexico needs to do its job. | no i think it's a, very complex challenge for, both countries i think that it is not only the us congress deciding also mexico has to play its role i think it's an issue that is by definition binational it. has to have a shared responsibility the initiatives discussed today in the congress in the us senate talks about new visas, for. temporary workers not for mexicans but for everybody we think that in the mexican case because of the vicinity and because of the history many of those visas should be allocated to mexican, workers and then mexico needs. to do its | No I think it's a very complex challenge for both. countries I think that it is not only the US, Congress, deciding, also Mexico has to play its role I think it's an issue that is by definition binational It, has to have a shared. responsibility The initiatives discussed today in the, Congress in the US, Senate talks about, new visas for temporary workers not for Mexicans but for everybody We think that in the Mexican case because of the vicinity and because of the history many of those visas should be allocated to Mexican workers and then Mexico needs to do its | no. i think it's a very complex challenge for both countries. i think that it is not only the us congress deciding, also mexico has to play its role. i think it's an issue that is by definition binational. it has to have a shared responsibility. the initiatives discussed today in the congress, in the us senate talks about new visas for temporary workers, not for mexicans but for everybody. we think that in the mexican case, because of the vicinity and because of the history, many of those visas should be allocated to mexican workers, and then mexico needs to do its job. |
And its job would be to develop its economy, to develop jobs in Mexico so that Mexicans have a stake in their own country's future? | and its job would be to develop. its economy to develop jobs in mexico so that mexicans have a stake in, their own country's | And its job would be to develop its economy to develop jobs in Mexico so that Mexicans have, a stake in, their own country's | and its job would be to develop its economy, to develop jobs in mexico so that mexicans have a stake in their own country's future? |
Definitely. I think that for Mexico, the best thing that could happen is to keep these people in Mexico. Now you have to face realities, and you have a transition period in which we still have a lot of things to do in Mexico and the demand of these workers in the US. How we both agree or manage these flows in a better way, that's the challenge for the next years. | definitely. i think that for mexico the best thing, that could happen is to keep these people in mexico now you have to face realities and, you have a transition period in which we still have a. lot of things to do in. mexico and the. demand of these workers in the us how we both agree or manage these flows in a better, way that's the challenge for. the, next | Definitely I think that for, Mexico the best thing that could happen is to keep these people in Mexico Now you have to face realities and you have. a transition period in which we still have a lot. of things to do in Mexico and the demand of these workers in the US How we both agree or manage these flows in a better way that's the challenge for; the next | definitely. i think that for mexico, the best thing that could happen is to keep these people in mexico. now you have to face realities, and you have a transition period in which we still have a lot of things to do in mexico and the demand of these workers in the us. how we both agree or manage these flows in a better way, that's the challenge for the next years. |
Let's get a caller on the line. Craig. Craig calling from San Leandro in California. | let's get a caller on the line craig craig calling from. san, leandro in | Let's get a caller on the line Craig Craig calling from. San Leandro in | let's get a caller on the line. craig. craig calling from san leandro in california. |
Yeah. I read recently in a book called "China in the 21st Century" that a lot of the maquiladoras actually closing down because industry is moving to China. They had a quote where they said something like--actually this is from The Wall Street Journal, out of 1,200 clothing maquiladora factories, 325 closed down and moved to China, and that this is sort of like a hidden dimension of the undocumented work issue and that it's not being addressed and that, you know, we should see this as part of, you know, the debate, part of the problem. | yeah i read recently in, a book called "china in the 21st century" that a. lot of the maquiladoras actually closing down because industry is moving to china they had a quote where they said something like--actually this is from. the. wall street journal out of 1,200 clothing maquiladora factories 325 closed down and, moved to china and that this is sort, of, like a hidden dimension of the undocumented work issue. and that it's not being addressed and that you know we should, see this as part of you. know the debate part. of, the | Yeah, I read recently in a. book called "China in the 21st Century" that, a lot. of the maquiladoras actually closing down because industry is moving to China They had a quote where they said something like--actually this is from The; Wall Street Journal. out. of 1,200 clothing, maquiladora factories 325 closed down and moved to China and that this is sort of like a hidden dimension of the undocumented work issue and that it's not being addressed and that you, know. we should see this as part of you know the debate part. of the | yeah. i read recently in a book called "china in the 21st century" that a lot of the maquiladoras actually closing down because industry is moving to china. they had a quote where they said something like--actually this is from the wall street journal, out of 1,200 clothing maquiladora factories, 325 closed down and moved to china, and that this is sort of like a hidden dimension of the undocumented work issue and that it's not being addressed and that, you know, we should see this as part of, you know, the debate, part of the problem. |
Yeah, the maquiladoras, the factories that grew up right along the border, largely as a product of the NAFTA 10 years ago. | yeah the maquiladoras the factories that grew. up, right; along the border largely as a product of the nafta 10 years | Yeah the maquiladoras the factories; that grew up right along the border largely as a. product of the NAFTA 10 years | yeah, the maquiladoras, the factories that grew up right along the border, largely as a product of the nafta 10 years ago. |
Well, that's true, but also the Chinese competition is a worldwide phenomenon. It's not only affecting Mexican labor markets. It's affecting US labor markets, European labor markets. Is a new reality of the 21st century. The maquiladoras still continue to produce a lot of jobs in Mexico. Maquiladoras are not only now located at the border of the Mexico and US, they are also inside Mexico, so it--the Chinese competition is a challenge for all Western economies, let's say. | well that's true but, also the chinese competition is a worldwide phenomenon it's not. only affecting mexican labor markets it's affecting us labor markets european labor markets is a. new. reality of, the 21st century the maquiladoras still continue to produce a lot of jobs in mexico maquiladoras are not only now located at the border of the mexico and us they are also inside mexico so it--the chinese competition is a challenge for all western economies, let's | Well that's true but also the Chinese competition is a worldwide phenomenon. It's not only affecting Mexican labor markets It's. affecting US labor markets European labor. markets, Is a new reality of the; 21st century The maquiladoras still continue to produce a lot of jobs in Mexico Maquiladoras are not only now located. at the border of the Mexico and US they are, also inside, Mexico so it--the Chinese competition is a challenge for all Western economies let's | well, that's true, but also the chinese competition is a worldwide phenomenon. it's not only affecting mexican labor markets. it's affecting us labor markets, european labor markets. is a new reality of the 21st century. the maquiladoras still continue to produce a lot of jobs in mexico. maquiladoras are not only now located at the border of the mexico and us, they are also inside mexico, so it--the chinese competition is a challenge for all western economies, let's say. |
Craig, thanks very much. | craig thanks very | Craig thanks very | craig, thanks very much. |
Sure. | sure. |
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In a post-9/11 world, can you understand the American impulse to control the border more closely? | in a post-9/11 world can you understand the american impulse to control the border more | In a post-9/11 world can you understand the American impulse to, control the border more | in a post-9/11 world, can you understand the american impulse to control the border more closely? |
Definitely. | definitely. |
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And is Mexico prepared to help with that? | and is mexico prepared to help with | And is Mexico prepared to help with | and is mexico prepared to help with that? |
I think that what the US people need to understand is that in Mexico is an increasing awareness that we share the same national interests and the same concerns. National security for the US is intrinsically linked with Mexico national security. We are common partners, we are NAFTA partners, we are neighbors, and in general terms we are good friends and neighbors, so an attack on the US interests will definitely affect Mexican interests. So I think that the government of Mexico is fully convinced that it's in our own interests even to work closely with the US to prevent these things to happen and to have a safer border. Is not only because of the US. It's also because of Mexico's economic and political and social interests. | i think that what the, us people need to understand is that in mexico is an increasing. awareness that we share the same national interests and the same concerns national security for the us is, intrinsically linked with mexico national security, we are common partners we are nafta partners. we, are neighbors and, in general terms we are good friends and neighbors so an attack on, the us interests will definitely affect mexican. interests so i think that the government, of mexico is fully convinced that it's in our, own interests even to work, closely with; the us to prevent these things to happen and to have a safer border is not only because, of the us it's also because of mexico's economic and political and social | I think that what the US people, need to understand is that in Mexico is an, increasing awareness that, we share the same national interests and the same concerns National security, for the US, is. intrinsically linked with Mexico national security We are common partners we are NAFTA partners we are neighbors and in general terms we are good friends and neighbors so, an attack on the US interests will definitely affect Mexican interests So I think that the government of Mexico is. fully convinced. that it's, in our own interests even to work closely with the US to prevent these things to happen and to have a safer border Is not only because of the US It's also because of Mexico's economic and political and. social | i think that what the us people need to understand is that in mexico is an increasing awareness that we share the same national interests and the same concerns. national security for the us is intrinsically linked with mexico national security. we are common partners, we are nafta partners, we are neighbors, and in general terms we are good friends and neighbors, so an attack on the us interests will definitely affect mexican interests. so i think that the government of mexico is fully convinced that it's in our own interests even to work closely with the us to prevent these things to happen and to have a safer border. is not only because of the us. it's also because of mexico's economic and political and social interests. |
I know you've got to run to catch a plane, so I'm gonna ask you one more question before we let you go. | i know you've got to run to catch a plane so i'm gonna, ask you one more question before we let. you | I know, you've got to run to catch a plane so I'm gonna ask you one more, question before we let you | i know you've got to run to catch a plane, so i'm gonna ask you one more question before we let you go. |
Of course. | of | Of | of course. |
And that is: How do you deal with the perception in this country that the Mexican government winks and nods as people walk up to the border and cross? | and that is: how do you deal with the perception in this country that the mexican government winks, and nods as people walk, up to, the border and | And that is: How do you deal with the perception in this country that the. Mexican government winks and nods as people walk up to the border and | and that is: how do you deal with the perception in this country that the mexican government winks and nods as people walk up to the border and cross? |
Well, it is a very complicated issue in Mexico. I think that gradually in the US and in Mexico, both countries have come to realize that this is a certain issue that is affecting seriously both nations. In the Mexican side for many years, the government tried to look to the other side when Mexicans were leaving to the US. I think that this administration has come to put the issue in Mexico in the domestic agenda and begin a debate that I hope will continue in this and the next administration to see what Mexico needs to do to keep these people in Mexico. I don't think that the policy or the politicians in Mexico are looking to send Mexicans to the US. This is a binational labor market. Some segments of the US economy need these Mexican workers. We have the supply, but definitely both countries we need to work to keep our population in our population in our own territories to work for our own nations. That's a long-term goal. | well it is a very complicated issue in mexico i think that gradually in the us, and in mexico both. countries. have come to realize. that this is a certain issue that is affecting seriously both nations in the mexican side for many years the government tried to look to the other side when mexicans were leaving to the us i think that this administration has come to put the issue. in mexico in. the domestic agenda, and begin a debate that i hope will continue in this and the next administration to see what mexico, needs. to, do to keep these people in mexico i don't think that the policy or the politicians in mexico are looking to send mexicans to the us this is a binational, labor market some segments of the us economy need these mexican workers we have the, supply, but definitely both countries we need. to work to keep our population, in our population in, our own territories to work for our own nations that's a long-term | Well it is a very complicated issue in Mexico I think that gradually in the US and in Mexico both countries have come to realize that this is, a certain issue, that is; affecting seriously both nations In the Mexican side for, many years the, government. tried to look to the other side when Mexicans were. leaving to the US I think that this administration has. come to put the issue in Mexico in the domestic agenda and begin a debate that I; hope will continue in. this and the next administration to see what Mexico needs to do to keep these people. in. Mexico I don't. think that the policy. or. the politicians in Mexico are looking to send Mexicans to the US This is a. binational labor market Some segments of. the US economy need these Mexican workers We have the supply but definitely both countries we need to work to keep our population in, our population in. our own territories to, work for our own nations That's a long-term | well, it is a very complicated issue in mexico. i think that gradually in the us and in mexico, both countries have come to realize that this is a certain issue that is affecting seriously both nations. in the mexican side for many years, the government tried to look to the other side when mexicans were leaving to the us. i think that this administration has come to put the issue in mexico in the domestic agenda and begin a debate that i hope will continue in this and the next administration to see what mexico needs to do to keep these people in mexico. i don't think that the policy or the politicians in mexico are looking to send mexicans to the us. this is a binational labor market. some segments of the us economy need these mexican workers. we have the supply, but definitely both countries we need to work to keep our population in our population in our own territories to work for our own nations. that's a long-term goal. |
Gustavo Mohar, thank you very much for being with us. | gustavo mohar thank you very, much for being with | Gustavo Mohar thank you very much for being with | gustavo mohar, thank you very much for being with us. |
Thanks to you for the invitation. | thanks to you for; the | Thanks. to you for the | thanks to you for the invitation. |
And we certainly hope you catch your plane on time. | and we certainly hope you catch your plane on. | And we certainly hope you catch your plane on | and we certainly hope you catch your plane on time. |
Thank you very much. | thank. you very | Thank you. very | thank you very much. |
Cutting it close. | cutting; it. | Cutting it | cutting it close. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
William Howard Taft. | william howard | William, Howard, | william howard taft. |
: Well, no, in 1948 would be Robert Taft. | : well no in 1948 would; be robert | : Well. no in 1948 would be Robert | : well, no, in 1948 would be robert taft. |
States of emergency, tall fences and violence can obscure other border problems. There are hundreds of thousands of Mexicans who cross over illegally every year. A public opinion survey by the Pew Hispanic Center shows that better than 40 percent of Mexico's population would move to the United States if they could do so illegally. Nearly one in five say they would take the risk to do so illegally. | states of; emergency tall fences and violence can obscure other border problems there are hundreds of thousands of mexicans who cross over illegally every year a public opinion survey by the pew. hispanic center shows that better than. 40 percent of mexico's population would move to. the united. states if they could do so, illegally nearly one, in five say they would take the risk to do so | States of emergency tall fences and violence can obscure other border problems There are hundreds of thousands of Mexicans who cross, over, illegally every year A public opinion survey, by the Pew Hispanic Center shows that better than 40 percent of Mexico's population would move to the United States if they could do so illegally Nearly one in five say they would take the risk to do so | states of emergency, tall fences and violence can obscure other border problems. there are hundreds of thousands of mexicans who cross over illegally every year. a public opinion survey by the pew hispanic center shows that better than 40 percent of mexico's population would move to the united states if they could do so illegally. nearly one in five say they would take the risk to do so illegally. |
Later we'll hear from a researcher in Mexico on emigration and from a professor about why so many of her college students head north. | later we'll hear from a researcher in mexico on emigration and from a professor about why so many of her college students head | Later we'll hear from a researcher in Mexico on emigration and from a professor about why so many, of her college students head | later we'll hear from a researcher in mexico on emigration and from a professor about why so many of her college students head north. |
But first, joining us now is the author of the study of the Pew Hispanic Center, Roberto Suro. | but first joining us now is the author of the study of the pew, hispanic center roberto | But first joining us now is the author of the study of the Pew Hispanic Center Roberto | but first, joining us now is the author of the study of the pew hispanic center, roberto suro. |
Thanks very much for being with us. | thanks. very much for being with | Thanks very much for, being with | thanks very much for being with us. |
Good to be with you. Thank you. | good to be with you thank | Good to be with you Thank | good to be with you. thank you. |
That number of what--41 percent in one survey, 46 percent in another of Mexicans who say they would go to the US if they could do so legally, that's astonishing. | that number of what--41 percent in one survey 46 percent in another of mexicans who say they would go to, the, us if they could do so legally that's | That number of what--41 percent. in one. survey 46 percent in another. of. Mexicans who say they would go to the US if they could do so legally that's | that number of what--41 percent in one survey, 46 percent in another of mexicans who say they would go to the us if they could do so legally, that's astonishing. |
Well, it's certainly a very high number, and in looking at the components of that 40 percent, you see that the option to migrate is something that you find in--all across the board in Mexican society. It's not just among the poor people, but certainly in the middle class and others as well. | well it's certainly. a very, high number and in looking at the components of that 40 percent you see that the option to migrate is something that you find in--all across the board in mexican society it's not just among the poor people but certainly in the middle class and. others, as, | Well it's certainly. a very high number and in looking at the components of that 40 percent, you see that the option to migrate, is something that you find in--all, across. the board in Mexican, society It's not just among the poor people but certainly in the middle class and others as | well, it's certainly a very high number, and in looking at the components of that 40 percent, you see that the option to migrate is something that you find in--all across the board in mexican society. it's not just among the poor people, but certainly in the middle class and others as well. |
Even college students, as we'll get to in a minute. | even college students as we'll get, to in a | Even college students as we'll get to in a | even college students, as we'll get to in a minute. |
Even a substantial number of college students, indeed. About a third of people with college degrees said they--you know, if they could, they would, if they had the means and the opportunity. | even a. substantial, number of college students; indeed about a third of people with, college degrees said they--you know if they could they, would if they had the means and the | Even a substantial number of college students indeed About a third of people with. college degrees said they--you know if, they could they would if they had the means and the | even a substantial number of college students, indeed. about a third of people with college degrees said they--you know, if they could, they would, if they had the means and the opportunity. |
Mm-hmm. Is the attraction better wages, economics, or is it something else? | mm-hmm is the attraction better wages economics or is it something | Mm-hmm, Is the attraction better, wages economics or is it; something | mm-hmm. is the attraction better wages, economics, or is it something else? |
Well, I mean, it's a combination of factors, and you have to keep in mind that migration from Mexico now has been under way for a long time and very intensely for the last 10 or 15 years. There are a lot of family connections. There are a lot of labor connections. And it's--the experience of migration is pervasive enough in Mexican society that people do compare the possibility, the option of coming to the US with their status in Mexico. It's not the unemployed necessarily who leave. In fact, they're a fraction of the people who leave. It's people who think that they'd do better here than they would there, and it's that sense of relative opportunity, plus the fact that there are so many family connections and friendship connections now that bind the two populations together. | well i mean it's a combination of factors and you have to. keep in mind that migration, from mexico now has been under. way, for a long time and very intensely for the last 10 or 15 years there are a lot of family connections there are a lot of labor connections and it's--the experience of migration is pervasive enough, in mexican society that people do compare the possibility the option of coming to the us with their status in mexico it's not the unemployed necessarily who leave. in fact they're a fraction of the people who leave it's. people who think that they'd do better here than they would there and it's that sense of relative opportunity plus the fact that there are so many family connections and friendship connections now that bind the two, populations | Well I mean it's. a combination of factors and you have; to keep in mind that migration from Mexico now has been under way. for a long time and very intensely for the last 10 or 15 years There are a lot of. family connections There are a lot of labor connections And it's--the experience of, migration is pervasive enough in Mexican society that people do compare the possibility the option of coming to the. US with their status in Mexico It's. not the unemployed necessarily who leave In fact they're a, fraction; of the people who leave It's people who think that they'd do better here than they would. there and. it's that sense of relative, opportunity plus the fact that there are so many family, connections and, friendship connections now that bind the two populations | well, i mean, it's a combination of factors, and you have to keep in mind that migration from mexico now has been under way for a long time and very intensely for the last 10 or 15 years. there are a lot of family connections. there are a lot of labor connections. and it's--the experience of migration is pervasive enough in mexican society that people do compare the possibility, the option of coming to the us with their status in mexico. it's not the unemployed necessarily who leave. in fact, they're a fraction of the people who leave. it's people who think that they'd do better here than they would there, and it's that sense of relative opportunity, plus the fact that there are so many family connections and friendship connections now that bind the two populations together. |
We should point out, your data is on Mexican interest in migrating to the US, not necessarily those who say they are going to migrate to the US. | we should point out your data is on mexican interest in; migrating, to, the us not necessarily those. who say they are going to migrate to. the | We should point out your data is on Mexican interest in migrating to the US not necessarily those who say they are going, to migrate to the. | we should point out, your data is on mexican interest in migrating to the us, not necessarily those who say they are going to migrate to the us. |
No, absolutely. I mean, this is a poll question that it asked, you know, `If this moment you had the means and opportunity to go to the United States, would you?' And I think it's not a measure that these people are about to leave home tomorrow, but it gives you a sense of how widespread the option, the inclination, the possibility of going is pervasive in Mexican society. And people who asked, you know, `If at this moment, would you go if you could?' I mean, a lot of people said yes. | no absolutely i mean this is a. poll question, that it, asked you know `if this moment you had the means and opportunity. to go to, the, united states would you?' and i. think, it's not a measure that these people are about, to leave home tomorrow but it gives you a sense of how widespread the option the inclination the; possibility of. going is pervasive. in mexican society. and people who asked you know `if at this. moment, would you go if you could?' i mean a lot of, people; said | No absolutely I mean this is a poll question that it asked you know `If this moment you had the means and opportunity to go to the United States would you?' And I think it's not a measure that, these people. are about to leave home tomorrow but it gives you a sense of how widespread the option the inclination the possibility of going is pervasive in Mexican society And people who, asked you know `If at this moment would you, go if you could?' I mean a. lot of people said | no, absolutely. i mean, this is a poll question that it asked, you know, `if this moment you had the means and opportunity to go to the united states, would you?' and i think it's not a measure that these people are about to leave home tomorrow, but it gives you a sense of how widespread the option, the inclination, the possibility of going is pervasive in mexican society. and people who asked, you know, `if at this moment, would you go if you could?' i mean, a lot of people said yes. |
What does it say about a country that nearly half the population says, `You know, if the opportunity came, I think I'd move next door'? | what does it, say about a country that nearly half the population says `you know if the opportunity came i think i'd move next | What does it say about a country that nearly half the population, says. `You know if the opportunity came I think I'd move next | what does it say about a country that nearly half the population says, `you know, if the opportunity came, i think i'd move next door'? |
Well, I--you know, it says certainly something about the perceptions of economic opportunity and of life possibilities in that country. It also says a lot about the extent to which migration to the United States has become, you know, an ingrained fact of life in Mexico. | well i--you know it says certainly something about the perceptions of economic opportunity and of life possibilities in that country it also says a lot about the extent to which migration to the. united states has become you know an ingrained. fact of life in | Well I--you know it says certainly something about the perceptions of economic opportunity, and of life possibilities in that country It also, says a lot about the extent to which migration to the United States has become you know an ingrained fact of life in | well, i--you know, it says certainly something about the perceptions of economic opportunity and of life possibilities in that country. it also says a lot about the extent to which migration to the united states has become, you know, an ingrained fact of life in mexico. |
What do you mean by that? | what do you mean by | What. do you mean by | what do you mean by that? |
Well, in that so many people have relatives here and feel a tie to this country and have the opportunity to come here and know of coming here, that it's--you have to remember, the 40 percent is startling, but yet one thing to keep it in perspective is that of all the people born in Mexico who are now adults, one out of eight already lives in the United States. So there's--a lot of people have acted on this impulse already, and so in--to some extent that acts as a stimulus for further migration as well. | well in that, so many people have relatives. here and feel a tie to this country and have the opportunity to come here and know of coming here that it's--you have; to remember the 40 percent is startling but yet one thing to keep it in perspective is that, of all the people born in mexico who are now adults one out of eight already lives in the united states; so there's--a lot of people have acted on this impulse already and so in--to some extent that acts as a stimulus for further migration, as, | Well. in that so many people have relatives here and feel a tie to this country and have the opportunity to come. here and know of coming here that, it's--you have to remember the 40 percent is startling but yet, one thing to keep it in perspective is. that of all the people, born in Mexico, who are, now adults, one out of eight, already lives in the United States So there's--a lot of people have acted on, this impulse already and so in--to some extent that. acts as a stimulus for further migration as | well, in that so many people have relatives here and feel a tie to this country and have the opportunity to come here and know of coming here, that it's--you have to remember, the 40 percent is startling, but yet one thing to keep it in perspective is that of all the people born in mexico who are now adults, one out of eight already lives in the united states. so there's--a lot of people have acted on this impulse already, and so in--to some extent that acts as a stimulus for further migration as well. |
So of the estimated--I think Governor Richardson was using a number of 12, I've also heard the number 10 million illegal immigrants in the United States--What?--about six million, eight million are believed to be Mexican? | so of the estimated--i think governor richardson was using a number of 12, i've also heard the number. 10 million. illegal immigrants in the united states--what?--about six million. eight, million are believed to be | So of the estimated--I think Governor Richardson was using a number of 12, I've. also heard, the number 10 million illegal immigrants in, the United. States--What?--about six. million eight million are believed to be | so of the estimated--i think governor richardson was using a number of 12, i've also heard the number 10 million illegal immigrants in the united states--what?--about six million, eight million are believed to be mexican? |
Yeah, something--that's, you know, certainly in the range, yes. | yeah something--that's you know certainly in the range | Yeah something--that's you know certainly in the range | yeah, something--that's, you know, certainly in the range, yes. |
We're talking with Robert Suro of the Pew Hispanic Center about a study recently concluded that showed that over 40 percent of Mexicans would move to the United States if they could do so legally. | we're talking with robert suro of, the pew, hispanic, center about, a study recently concluded that, showed that over 40 percent of mexicans would move to the united states if they. could do so | We're talking with Robert Suro of the Pew Hispanic Center about a study recently concluded that showed that over 40 percent of Mexicans would move to the United States if they could do so | we're talking with robert suro of the pew hispanic center about a study recently concluded that showed that over 40 percent of mexicans would move to the united states if they could do so legally. |
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And let's get a caller on the line. This is Rick, Rick calling from Berkeley, California. | and let's get a caller on the line this is rick rick calling from, berkeley | And let's get. a caller on the line This is Rick Rick calling from Berkeley | and let's get a caller on the line. this is rick, rick calling from berkeley, california. |
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Given that statistic, that information from the survey, doesn't that really show the futility of a guest worker program that has been proposed by Bush, by other senators, because there's a virtually unlimited supply? Even if you could absorb a few additional people with guest worker programs, the willing worker to take the job, as Bush calls it, that there are 50 million Mexicans who would like to come behind them, maybe a couple hundred million more other Latin Americans behind them, hundreds of millions of Somalians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, whatever. | given that statistic that information from, the survey. doesn't that really. show the futility of a guest worker program that has been proposed by bush by, other senators. because, there's a virtually unlimited supply? even if you could absorb. a few additional people with guest worker programs the willing worker to take the job as bush calls it that there are 50 million mexicans who would like to come behind, them maybe a couple hundred, million more other latin, americans behind them hundreds of millions of somalians pakistanis bangladeshis | Given that statistic that. information from, the survey doesn't that really show. the futility of a guest worker program that. has been proposed by Bush by other senators, because there's a virtually, unlimited supply? Even. if you, could absorb a few, additional people with guest worker programs the willing worker to take the job as Bush calls it that there are 50 million Mexicans who would like to come behind them maybe a. couple hundred million more other Latin Americans behind them hundreds of millions of Somalians Pakistanis Bangladeshis | given that statistic, that information from the survey, doesn't that really show the futility of a guest worker program that has been proposed by bush, by other senators, because there's a virtually unlimited supply? even if you could absorb a few additional people with guest worker programs, the willing worker to take the job, as bush calls it, that there are 50 million mexicans who would like to come behind them, maybe a couple hundred million more other latin americans behind them, hundreds of millions of somalians, pakistanis, bangladeshis, whatever. |
Why don't we keep it on this continent for the moment. | why don't we keep it on. this continent for the | Why don't we keep it on this continent for the | why don't we keep it on this continent for the moment. |
Right. But I mean--so a guest worker program couldn't really make much of a dent in the pressure for illegal immigration, is my point. | right but i mean--so a guest, worker program couldn't really make much of a dent in the pressure for illegal immigration is my | Right But I mean--so a guest worker. program couldn't really make much of a dent in the pressure for illegal immigration is my | right. but i mean--so a guest worker program couldn't really make much of a dent in the pressure for illegal immigration, is my point. |
Well, different in degree, but the same general tendency. We've, over the years, asked two questions regularly each month in a national survey on border studies. The first question is if you know of anyone in your neighborhood or your extended family who has crossed the border or tried to cross the border in the last 12 months, and we've regularly gotten nearly half of the respondents in a nationally representative survey to say yes. | well different in degree but the. same general tendency. we've. over the years asked two questions regularly each month in; a national survey, on border studies the first question is if you know of anyone in your neighborhood or your extended, family who has crossed the border or, tried to cross the, border in the last, 12 months and we've regularly gotten nearly half of the respondents. in. a nationally representative survey to say | Well different in degree but the same general tendency We've over, the years asked two questions regularly each month in a, national survey on. border studies The first question is if you know of anyone in your, neighborhood, or your extended family who has crossed the border or tried to cross the border in, the last 12 months and we've regularly gotten nearly half of the respondents in a nationally representative survey to say | well, different in degree, but the same general tendency. we've, over the years, asked two questions regularly each month in a national survey on border studies. the first question is if you know of anyone in your neighborhood or your extended family who has crossed the border or tried to cross the border in the last 12 months, and we've regularly gotten nearly half of the respondents in a nationally representative survey to say yes. |
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Robert Taft, excuse me, Mr. Republican. | robert taft excuse me mr | Robert Taft excuse me Mr | robert taft, excuse me, mr. republican. |
Well, you know, that's a judgment call. On one of--you know, and any guest worker program, as with, you know, certainly any immigration reforms, the devil is all in the details. This data and what we know of the flows over the past several years certainly suggest that a guest worker program, if the idea was to absorb all of the demand, would have to be fairly substantial. There've been upwards of 6, 700,000, depending on how you measure it, Mexicans coming into the United States and ending up living here permanently for some years. And the numbers go up and down from year to year, but you're talking about a large population. I think, you know, we can get a little dizzy if we talk--you know, think that the entire world is ready to come here. We've got some realistic measures of what the demand has been in the past. And certainly these survey numbers suggest that you're not talking about a small program, you're not talking about tens of thousands of guest workers. If the idea is to absorb all of the demand, you're talking about hundreds of thousands. | well you know that's. a judgment call on one of--you know and any guest, worker program as with you know certainly any immigration reforms, the devil is all; in the details this data and what we know of the flows over the past several. years certainly, suggest, that a guest worker program. if the idea was to absorb all of, the demand would have to be fairly substantial there've been upwards of 6, 700,000, depending on how you measure, it mexicans coming into the united states and ending, up living here permanently for some, years and the numbers go up and down. from year to, year but you're talking about a large population. i think. you know we can get a little dizzy if we talk--you know, think that the entire world is. ready to come here we've got some realistic measures of what the demand has been in the past and certainly these survey numbers, suggest that you're not talking about a small program. you're not talking. about tens; of thousands of guest workers if the idea, is to absorb all of the demand you're talking about hundreds of | Well you know that's a judgment call On one of--you know and any guest worker program as with you know certainly any immigration reforms the devil, is all, in the details This data and what we know of the flows over the past several years certainly suggest that a guest. worker program. if the idea was to absorb all of the demand would have. to. be fairly substantial There've been upwards of 6, 700,000, depending on how you measure it Mexicans coming into, the United. States and ending up living here permanently for some years And the numbers go up and down from year to year, but, you're talking about a large population I think you know we can get a little dizzy if; we talk--you know think that the entire world is ready to come here We've. got some realistic measures of what the demand has been. in the past And certainly these survey numbers; suggest that you're not talking about a small program you're not talking. about tens of thousands of guest, workers If. the idea is to absorb all of the demand you're talking about hundreds of, | well, you know, that's a judgment call. on one of--you know, and any guest worker program, as with, you know, certainly any immigration reforms, the devil is all in the details. this data and what we know of the flows over the past several years certainly suggest that a guest worker program, if the idea was to absorb all of the demand, would have to be fairly substantial. there've been upwards of 6, 700,000, depending on how you measure it, mexicans coming into the united states and ending up living here permanently for some years. and the numbers go up and down from year to year, but you're talking about a large population. i think, you know, we can get a little dizzy if we talk--you know, think that the entire world is ready to come here. we've got some realistic measures of what the demand has been in the past. and certainly these survey numbers suggest that you're not talking about a small program, you're not talking about tens of thousands of guest workers. if the idea is to absorb all of the demand, you're talking about hundreds of thousands. |
Right. But I mean, Mexicans have more opportunity than people from across an ocean, of course... | right but i mean, mexicans have more opportunity than people from across an ocean of | Right But I mean Mexicans have more opportunity than; people from across an ocean of | right. but i mean, mexicans have more opportunity than people from across an ocean, of course... |
Exactly. That's why there's really no point in talking about hundreds of... | exactly that's why there's really no point in talking, about. hundreds | Exactly That's why there's really no point in. talking about. hundreds | exactly. that's why there's really no point in talking about hundreds of... |
Right. But the demand is... | right but the demand | Right But the demand | right. but the demand is... |
...millions of Somalis. | ...millions of | ...millions of | ...millions of somalis. |
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But there was a survey last year in Germany that said 30 percent of Germans would move to the United States if they had the opportunity. They just don't have as many opportunities. So that's sort of my point. There's an unlimited demand. You really have to--if the United States has to, you know, regulate immigration rather than just throwing the borders open. | but. there was a survey last year in germany that said 30 percent of germans would move to the united states if, they had the opportunity they just don't have as, many opportunities so that's sort of my point there's, an unlimited demand, you really have. to--if the united states has to you know, regulate immigration rather than just throwing the borders | But there was a survey, last year in Germany that said. 30 percent of Germans would move to the United States if they had the opportunity They just don't have as many opportunities. So that's. sort, of my point There's an unlimited demand You really have to--if the United States has to you know regulate immigration rather than just throwing the borders | but there was a survey last year in germany that said 30 percent of germans would move to the united states if they had the opportunity. they just don't have as many opportunities. so that's sort of my point. there's an unlimited demand. you really have to--if the united states has to, you know, regulate immigration rather than just throwing the borders open. |
Mm-hmm. Rick, thanks very much for the call. | mm-hmm rick thanks, very much for the | Mm-hmm Rick thanks very much for the | mm-hmm. rick, thanks very much for the call. |
Let me ask you, Roberto, what's been the reaction to your report, particularly in Mexico? | let me ask you roberto what's been the reaction to your report particularly in | Let me ask you Roberto what's been the reaction to your report particularly in | let me ask you, roberto, what's been the reaction to your report, particularly in mexico? |
Well, I mean, it certainly has gotten a lot of attention. And, you know, this is an issue that's very much debated in Mexico now, and particularly as Mexico's moving towards a presidential election, just in the very early stages of a campaign for an election next summer. And, you know, I suspect that the overall sense of satisfaction with the country and how to manage relations with the US, particularly in terms of immigration, are likely to be topics of that campaign. You know, to some extent in Mexico, there has traditionally been a reluctance to recognize that there is this--that large numbers of people actually want to leave the country and it runs against the very strong feelings of Mexican nationalism. But as I said--I mean, we know a lot of people already have. | well i, mean it certainly has. gotten. a lot of attention. and you know this is an issue that's very much debated in mexico now and, particularly. as mexico's moving towards a. presidential, election just in the, very. early stages, of a campaign for an election next summer and you know i suspect that the overall sense of satisfaction with the country and how to, manage relations with the us particularly in terms of immigration are likely to be topics of that campaign you know to some extent in mexico there has. traditionally been a reluctance to recognize that there is this--that large numbers of, people actually want to leave the country and it runs against the very strong feelings of mexican nationalism but as i said--i mean we, know a lot of people already | Well I mean it certainly has gotten. a lot of attention, And you know this is an; issue that's very, much. debated in Mexico, now and particularly as Mexico's moving towards a presidential, election just in the very early stages of a campaign for, an election next summer And you know I suspect that. the overall sense of satisfaction with the. country and how to manage; relations with the. US particularly in, terms of immigration are likely to be topics of that campaign You know to some extent in Mexico there. has; traditionally been. a reluctance to recognize that there is this--that large numbers of people actually want to leave the; country and it runs against the very strong feelings of Mexican nationalism But as I said--I mean we know a lot of people already | well, i mean, it certainly has gotten a lot of attention. and, you know, this is an issue that's very much debated in mexico now, and particularly as mexico's moving towards a presidential election, just in the very early stages of a campaign for an election next summer. and, you know, i suspect that the overall sense of satisfaction with the country and how to manage relations with the us, particularly in terms of immigration, are likely to be topics of that campaign. you know, to some extent in mexico, there has traditionally been a reluctance to recognize that there is this--that large numbers of people actually want to leave the country and it runs against the very strong feelings of mexican nationalism. but as i said--i mean, we know a lot of people already have. |
Yeah. And does that sense of--well, I guess you're talking about a sense of denial in a way. Does that affect Mexican government policy, as well? | yeah and does, that sense of--well; i guess you're talking about a sense of denial in a way, does that affect mexican government policy as | Yeah And does that sense of--well I, guess you're talking, about a sense of denial in a way Does that affect Mexican government policy as | yeah. and does that sense of--well, i guess you're talking about a sense of denial in a way. does that affect mexican government policy, as well? |
Well, you know, it changed a great deal under the governments of the Revolutionary Institutional Party, the PRI, that governed Mexico for 71 years up until the beginning of the Fox administration. To a large extent, the attitude was just don't talk about it much and don't engage the US directly. | well you know it changed a great deal under the governments of the revolutionary institutional party the pri that governed mexico for 71 years up until; the beginning of the fox administration to; a large extent the attitude was just don't talk about it much and don't engage the us | Well you know it changed a great deal under the governments of the Revolutionary Institutional Party the PRI that governed Mexico for 71 years, up until the beginning of the Fox administration To a large extent the attitude was just don't talk about it much. and don't engage the US. | well, you know, it changed a great deal under the governments of the revolutionary institutional party, the pri, that governed mexico for 71 years up until the beginning of the fox administration. to a large extent, the attitude was just don't talk about it much and don't engage the us directly. |
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The Fox administration started out wanting to very directly engage the US, and those talks sort of fell apart partially of their own weight and partially because of the 9/11 events. But President Fox continues to talk about the need for a bilateral accord, and I think that's going to be very much one of the topics of conversation in the political campaign as it develops. | the; fox administration started out wanting to very directly engage the us and, those talks sort of fell, apart partially of their own weight and partially because. of; the 9/11 events but. president. fox continues to talk about the need for, a bilateral accord and i think that's, going to be very much, one. of the topics of. conversation in the political campaign as it | The Fox administration started out wanting to very directly engage the US and, those talks sort of fell apart, partially of their own weight and partially because of the 9/11 events But President Fox continues to talk about the, need for a bilateral accord and I, think that's going to be very much one of the topics of conversation in the. political campaign, as it | the fox administration started out wanting to very directly engage the us, and those talks sort of fell apart partially of their own weight and partially because of the 9/11 events. but president fox continues to talk about the need for a bilateral accord, and i think that's going to be very much one of the topics of conversation in the political campaign as it develops. |
Robert Suro, stay with us, if you would. When we return, we'll be joined by a pollster in Mexico who has some questions about the Pew Center's new numbers. And we'll also here more about why Mexican residents, in this case college students, would want to move north. Join us. (800) 989-8255; (800) 989-TALK. E-mail: [email protected]. | robert suro stay with us if you would when we return we'll be joined by a pollster in mexico who has some questions about the pew center's new numbers and we'll also here more, about why; mexican residents in this case college students. would want to move north join us (800) 989-8255; (800) 989-talk. | Robert Suro stay with us if you would When we return we'll be joined by a pollster in Mexico who has some, questions about the Pew Center's new numbers And we'll also here more about, why Mexican residents in. this case, college. students would want to move, north Join us (800) 989-8255; (800) 989-TALK, | robert suro, stay with us, if you would. when we return, we'll be joined by a pollster in mexico who has some questions about the pew center's new numbers. and we'll also here more about why mexican residents, in this case college students, would want to move north. join us. (800) 989-8255; (800) 989-talk. e-mail: [email protected]. |
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Today, we're talking about US-Mexico border issues, immigration primarily. What perception do you have of problems at the border or of why so many Mexican people want to come to the US and want to leave their own country? (800) 989-8255; (800) 989-TALK. The e-mail address is [email protected]. Our guest is Roberto Suro of the Pew Hispanic Center. We've been talking about their recent survey which showed that over 40 percent of Mexicans say that if they were given the choice of coming to the US legally, they'd do it. | today we're talking about us-mexico border issues immigration primarily what perception do you have of problems at the border or of why so many mexican people want to come to the us and want to leave their, own country? (800) 989-8255; (800) 989-talk the e-mail address is [email protected]. our guest, is roberto suro of the; pew hispanic center we've been talking about their recent survey which showed that over 40 percent of mexicans say that if. they were given the choice of coming to the us legally they'd do. | Today we're talking about US-Mexico border issues immigration primarily What perception do; you have of problems at the border or of why so many Mexican people, want to come. to the US and want to leave their own country? (800) 989-8255; (800) 989-TALK The e-mail address is [email protected] Our guest is Roberto Suro of the Pew Hispanic. Center We've been, talking about their recent, survey which showed that over. 40 percent of Mexicans say that if they were given. the choice of coming to, the US legally they'd do | today, we're talking about us-mexico border issues, immigration primarily. what perception do you have of problems at the border or of why so many mexican people want to come to the us and want to leave their own country? (800) 989-8255; (800) 989-talk. the e-mail address is [email protected]. our guest is roberto suro of the pew hispanic center. we've been talking about their recent survey which showed that over 40 percent of mexicans say that if they were given the choice of coming to the us legally, they'd do it. |
Not everyone believes that such a large percentage of Mexico's population considers migration to the US. Dan Lund is director of Mund America, a market research and public policy survey group which also conducts opinion surveys in Mexico. He's with us by phone from his home in Mexico City. | not everyone believes that such a; large percentage of mexico's population considers migration to the. us dan lund is director of mund america a market research and public policy survey group which also conducts opinion surveys in mexico he's with. us by phone from his home in mexico | Not everyone believes that such a, large percentage of Mexico's population considers migration. to the US Dan Lund is director of Mund America a market. research and public. policy survey group which also. conducts opinion surveys. in Mexico He's with us by phone from his home in Mexico | not everyone believes that such a large percentage of mexico's population considers migration to the us. dan lund is director of mund america, a market research and public policy survey group which also conducts opinion surveys in mexico. he's with us by phone from his home in mexico city. |
Nice to have you with us. | nice to have you with | Nice to have you with | nice to have you with us. |
Thank you. Good to be here. | thank you good to be | Thank you Good to be | thank you. good to be here. |
Your Mexico-based firm has conducted--asking similar questions of the Mexican public and you've found some different results. | your mexico-based firm has conducted--asking similar questions of the mexican public and you've found some, different | Your Mexico-based firm has conducted--asking similar questions of the Mexican public and, you've found some different | your mexico-based firm has conducted--asking similar questions of the mexican public and you've found some different results. |
So that means to us that certainly half the people in Mexico, or very nearly half, have some understanding and relationship to the border-crossing culture. | so that means to us that certainly half the people in mexico or very nearly half have some understanding and relationship to. the border-crossing | So that means to us that certainly half the people, in Mexico or very nearly. half have some understanding and, relationship to, the border-crossing | so that means to us that certainly half the people in mexico, or very nearly half, have some understanding and relationship to the border-crossing culture. |
`Might you try to go to the United States in the next 12 months to work?' That's a slightly different question, but it gives a general indication of willingness to migrate or at least to try to cross the border. And we have been getting, over the last few years, 26 to 30 percent. In our last survey, we got 26 percent, which seemed high to us, so we went back and we interviewed approximately 390 people who had said yes. | `might you try to, go to the united states in the next 12 months to work?' that's a slightly different question but it gives a general indication of willingness to migrate or at least to try to cross, the, border and we have been getting over the, last few years 26 to 30 percent, in our last survey we got 26 percent which seemed high to us so we went back and we interviewed, approximately 390 people who had. said | `Might you try to go to the United States in the next 12 months to work?' That's a slightly different question but it gives a general indication of willingness to migrate, or at least to. try, to cross the border And we have been getting over the last. few years 26 to 30 percent In our last survey we got. 26 percent. which seemed high; to us, so we went back and we interviewed approximately 390 people who had said | `might you try to go to the united states in the next 12 months to work?' that's a slightly different question, but it gives a general indication of willingness to migrate or at least to try to cross the border. and we have been getting, over the last few years, 26 to 30 percent. in our last survey, we got 26 percent, which seemed high to us, so we went back and we interviewed approximately 390 people who had said yes. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. |
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And we asked them open-ended questions that enabled us, we think, to get a feel for this 26 percent who said yes. A hundred and sixty-four of them actually seemed to have the contacts, the experience and the orientation to possibly make an effort, legal or illegal, in the next period. The balance, though, of about 225 people seemed to be expressing symbolically their dissatisfaction with Mexico being stuck with their lack of options for social mobility and, in a sense, going to the US was an expression of symbolic speech, saying that we're very unhappy here, but frankly, they didn't have the contacts, the orientation or the general background to be likely candidates to cross the border. | and we asked them open-ended questions that enabled, us we think to get a feel for this. 26 percent who said yes a hundred and sixty-four of; them, actually seemed to have the contacts the experience; and the orientation to possibly make. an effort legal or illegal in the next period the balance though of about 225 people, seemed to be expressing symbolically their dissatisfaction with mexico being stuck. with. their. lack of options for social. mobility and in a sense going to the us was an expression of symbolic speech saying that we're very unhappy here but frankly they didn't have. the contacts the orientation or the, general background to, be, likely. candidates. to cross the | And we asked them open-ended questions that, enabled us we think to get a, feel for this. 26 percent who said yes A. hundred and sixty-four. of them actually seemed to have the, contacts the experience and the orientation to possibly make, an, effort legal or. illegal in, the next period. The balance though of about 225 people seemed to, be expressing symbolically their dissatisfaction with Mexico being stuck with their lack of options for social mobility and in a; sense going to the US was an expression of symbolic speech saying that we're; very unhappy here but frankly. they didn't have. the contacts. the, orientation or the general background to be likely. candidates to cross the | and we asked them open-ended questions that enabled us, we think, to get a feel for this 26 percent who said yes. a hundred and sixty-four of them actually seemed to have the contacts, the experience and the orientation to possibly make an effort, legal or illegal, in the next period. the balance, though, of about 225 people seemed to be expressing symbolically their dissatisfaction with mexico being stuck with their lack of options for social mobility and, in a sense, going to the us was an expression of symbolic speech, saying that we're very unhappy here, but frankly, they didn't have the contacts, the orientation or the general background to be likely candidates to cross the border. |
Voting with their feet, in a sense, in their minds, not really... | voting with their feet in a sense in their; minds not | Voting, with their feet in a sense in their minds not | voting with their feet, in a sense, in their minds, not really... |
Yes, but that's a strong statement. There's a way in which in the past--40 years ago, migrant workers were regarded as kind of traders; they were leaving the country. But that's changed so much that it's OK in people's minds to threaten themselves or to think of, to fantasize the possibility of crossing the border as a way of dealing with their own frustrations. | yes but that's a; strong statement there's a way in which in. the past--40 years, ago. migrant workers; were, regarded as kind of traders they were leaving, the country but that's changed so much that it's ok in people's; minds to threaten themselves or to think of to fantasize the possibility of crossing the border as a way of dealing with their own | Yes but that's a strong statement There's a way in which in the past--40 years ago migrant. workers were regarded as kind; of traders they were leaving. the country. But that's changed so much that it's OK in people's, minds to threaten themselves or to think of to fantasize, the possibility of crossing, the. border as. a way of, dealing with their, own | yes, but that's a strong statement. there's a way in which in the past--40 years ago, migrant workers were regarded as kind of traders; they were leaving the country. but that's changed so much that it's ok in people's minds to threaten themselves or to think of, to fantasize the possibility of crossing the border as a way of dealing with their own frustrations. |
Mm-hmm. And, Roberto Suro, let me ask you, your question was less concrete than Daniel Lund's question, but this seems to be along a continuum here. | mm-hmm and roberto suro, let. me ask you your question was. less, concrete than daniel lund's question but this seems to be, along a continuum | Mm-hmm And Roberto Suro let me ask you, your, question was less concrete than, Daniel Lund's question but this seems to be along a continuum | mm-hmm. and, roberto suro, let me ask you, your question was less concrete than daniel lund's question, but this seems to be along a continuum here. |
Yeah. I mean--and I'm sure Dan would agree that you can make a small change in the wording of a question and very seriously change the results. And ours in English--the direct translation was: `If at this moment you had the means and opportunity to go to live in the United States, would you go?' which is a little bit different than asking people concrete plans. | yeah i mean--and i'm sure dan would agree that you can make a small change in the wording of a question and very seriously change the results and ours. in english--the direct translation was: `if at this moment you had the means and opportunity to go to. live in the united states would you, go?' which is a little bit different than asking people concrete | Yeah I mean--and I'm sure, Dan would. agree that you can make a small, change in the wording of a question and very seriously. change the results And ours, in English--the direct translation was: `If at this moment you. had. the means and opportunity to go to live; in the United. States would. you go?' which is a little bit different than asking people concrete | yeah. i mean--and i'm sure dan would agree that you can make a small change in the wording of a question and very seriously change the results. and ours in english--the direct translation was: `if at this moment you had the means and opportunity to go to live in the united states, would you go?' which is a little bit different than asking people concrete plans. |
If they had the means and opportunity, yes. | if they had the means and, opportunity | If they had the means and opportunity | if they had the means and opportunity, yes. |
Yeah. And whether or not they actually--we didn't ask: `Do you have the means and opportunity?' I mean, the kind of parsing that Dan did with his other studies. But it is--and I actually wouldn't claim that this is a number of people who are planning to immigrate or even considering it; it's people, when asked the question, respond positively. They say this is one of the--it's an option, it's a live option, you know, if--and I think it does illustrate the extent to which the idea of migration is alive in Mexican public opinion. | yeah. and whether or not they actually--we didn't ask: `do you have the means and opportunity?' i mean the kind, of parsing that dan did with his other studies but it is--and i actually. wouldn't claim that this is a number of people, who. are planning to immigrate or even considering it it's people when asked the question respond positively they say this is one of the--it's an option it's, a live option you. know if--and i think it does illustrate the extent to which the idea of migration, is alive in mexican public | Yeah And whether or not they, actually--we, didn't ask: `Do you have the means and opportunity?' I mean the kind; of parsing; that Dan did with his, other studies But it is--and I actually wouldn't claim that this is a number of people who are planning to immigrate or even considering, it. it's people when asked the question respond positively They say this. is one. of the--it's an option it's a live option you know if--and I think it does illustrate the extent, to which. the idea of migration is alive in Mexican public. | yeah. and whether or not they actually--we didn't ask: `do you have the means and opportunity?' i mean, the kind of parsing that dan did with his other studies. but it is--and i actually wouldn't claim that this is a number of people who are planning to immigrate or even considering it; it's people, when asked the question, respond positively. they say this is one of the--it's an option, it's a live option, you know, if--and i think it does illustrate the extent to which the idea of migration is alive in mexican public opinion. |
Mm-hmm. Let's get another caller on the line. Let's talk with Sergio, Sergio calling from Miami in Florida. | mm-hmm let's get another caller on the line let's talk with sergio sergio calling from miami, in | Mm-hmm. Let's get another caller on; the line Let's talk with Sergio Sergio calling from Miami in | mm-hmm. let's get another caller on the line. let's talk with sergio, sergio calling from miami in florida. |
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