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Hi, how are you? | hi how are | Hi how are | hi, how are you? |
Very well, thank you. | very well thank; | Very well thank | very well, thank you. |
I am actually a Mexican student living in Florida. I got here a year ago. And I wanted to ask what percentage of the students that come for graduate studies or bachelor programs go back to Mexico? The ones that I know here--we're about 10 Mexicans, we're all planning on going back. What percentage overall go back? | i am actually a mexican student living in florida i got here a year ago and i. wanted to ask what percentage of the students that come for graduate studies, or bachelor programs, go back to mexico? the ones that i know here--we're about 10 mexicans we're. all planning on going back what percentage overall go | I am actually a Mexican student living in Florida I got here a year ago And I wanted to ask what percentage of, the students that come for graduate, studies or, bachelor programs go back to, Mexico? The ones that I know here--we're about 10 Mexicans we're all planning on going back What percentage, overall go | i am actually a mexican student living in florida. i got here a year ago. and i wanted to ask what percentage of the students that come for graduate studies or bachelor programs go back to mexico? the ones that i know here--we're about 10 mexicans, we're all planning on going back. what percentage overall go back? |
Daniel Lund, can you help us there? | daniel lund can you help us | Daniel, Lund can, you help. us | daniel lund, can you help us there? |
Well, I have an estimate, but only based on some recent work in the UNAM, the national university. It appears to be historically consistent that about 90 percent of Mexican students who are studying abroad come back. In some categories, the 10 percent that stay are so valuable that the medical schools, for example, sent headhunters back up to the United States or to England and tried to convince people to come back. But I think Sergio's observation is probably right. Most students do plan to come back. However, one of the great insights of this Pew study was to show that college-educated people were almost as ready to entertain the possibility or the fantasy of leaving as people with a low education. | well i have an estimate but, only based on some recent work in the, unam the national university it appears to be historically consistent that about 90 percent of mexican students who are studying abroad come back in some categories the 10 percent that stay are so valuable that the; medical schools for example sent. headhunters back up to the united states or to england and tried to convince people. to come back but i think sergio's observation is probably, right most students do plan to come, back. however, one. of the, great insights. of; this pew study was to show that. college-educated people were almost as ready, to entertain the possibility or the fantasy, of leaving as people with a low | Well. I have. an, estimate but only. based on some recent work. in the UNAM the national, university It appears to, be historically consistent that about 90 percent of Mexican students who are studying abroad come back In some categories the 10 percent that stay are so valuable that the medical schools for example sent headhunters back up to the United States, or to England and, tried to convince people to come back But I, think, Sergio's observation is, probably right Most students do plan to come back. However. one of the great insights of this Pew study was to show that college-educated people, were almost as ready to entertain the possibility or the fantasy of leaving as, people with a low | well, i have an estimate, but only based on some recent work in the unam, the national university. it appears to be historically consistent that about 90 percent of mexican students who are studying abroad come back. in some categories, the 10 percent that stay are so valuable that the medical schools, for example, sent headhunters back up to the united states or to england and tried to convince people to come back. but i think sergio's observation is probably right. most students do plan to come back. however, one of the great insights of this pew study was to show that college-educated people were almost as ready to entertain the possibility or the fantasy of leaving as people with a low education. |
Mm-hmm. And we'll have more on that in a minute. Sergio, let me ask you, why do you plan to go back? | mm-hmm and. we'll have. more on, that in a minute sergio let me ask you why do you plan to. go | Mm-hmm And we'll have more on that in a minute Sergio let me ask you why do you plan to go | mm-hmm. and we'll have more on that in a minute. sergio, let me ask you, why do you plan to go back? |
Well, my family business is in Mexico, and I just came for--well, to get a leading edge over all of my fellow students in Mexico City. So that's my primary reason for being in the States. | well my family, business is in mexico and. i just came for--well to get. a leading edge over all of. my fellow, students in mexico city. so that's my primary reason for being in the, | Well my family business is in Mexico and I just came for--well to get a leading edge over all of my fellow students in Mexico City So that's my. primary reason for. being in the | well, my family business is in mexico, and i just came for--well, to get a leading edge over all of my fellow students in mexico city. so that's my primary reason for being in the states. |
OK. Good luck to you. | ok good. luck, to | OK Good luck to | ok. good luck to you. |
Thank you very much. | thank you very | Thank you very | thank you very much. |
Appreciate the phone call. | appreciate the phone | Appreciate the phone | appreciate the phone call. |
And let me say thank you, as well, to Daniel Lund, director of Mund America, who joined us from his office Mexico City. | and let me say thank you as well to daniel lund director of mund america who joined us from his office mexico | And let me say thank you as well to Daniel Lund director of Mund America who joined us. from his office Mexico. | and let me say thank you, as well, to daniel lund, director of mund america, who joined us from his office mexico city. |
Appreciate your time today. | appreciate your time | Appreciate, your time | appreciate your time today. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
And, Robert Suro of the Pew Hispanic Center, thank you as well. | and robert suro of the pew hispanic center thank you as | And Robert. Suro, of the Pew. Hispanic Center, thank you as | and, robert suro of the pew hispanic center, thank you as well. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Roberto Suro is, as I mentioned, director of the Pew Hispanic Center, and he joined us on the line from his office here in Washington, DC. | roberto suro is. as i mentioned director of. the pew hispanic center and he joined us on the line from his office here in washington | Roberto Suro is as I. mentioned director of the Pew Hispanic Center and he joined us. on the, line from his office here in Washington | roberto suro is, as i mentioned, director of the pew hispanic center, and he joined us on the line from his office here in washington, dc. |
As we mentioned, according to the Pew survey, more than a third of Mexican college students say that they would be interested in going to the United States if they could. Joining us now is Professor Denise Dresser. She teaches at the Autonomous Technological Institute of Mexico. We've translated that for my ability to pronounce it. And she joins us now by phone from Mexico City. | as we mentioned according to the pew survey more than a third of mexican college students say that, they would; be interested in going to the united states if they could joining us now is professor denise dresser she teaches at the autonomous technological institute of mexico we've translated that for my ability to pronounce it and she joins us now by phone from mexico | As we mentioned according. to the Pew survey more than a third of Mexican college students say that they would be interested in going to the United States if. they could Joining us now is Professor Denise Dresser She teaches at the Autonomous Technological Institute of Mexico We've, translated that. for my ability to pronounce it And she joins us now by phone from Mexico | as we mentioned, according to the pew survey, more than a third of mexican college students say that they would be interested in going to the united states if they could. joining us now is professor denise dresser. she teaches at the autonomous technological institute of mexico. we've translated that for my ability to pronounce it. and she joins us now by phone from mexico city. |
Thank you for joining us today. | thank you for joining us | Thank you for joining us | thank you for joining us today. |
Thank you for the invitation. | thank you for the | Thank you for the | thank you for the invitation. |
How do your students view the lure of the United States? | how do your students view the lure of the united | How, do your. students, view the lure of the United | how do your students view the lure of the united states? |
Oh, I think that's foolish to say that it's crippled the economy. The sanctions clearly are not working. And let me just back up a little bit and say the Bush administration put five resolutions on Iran into place. And again, those U.N. sanctions on Iran during the Bush administration did not work. This administration, the Obama administration, has so far only been able to produce one U.N. resolution. | oh i think that's foolish to say that it's crippled the economy the sanctions clearly. are not working and let me just back up a little bit and say the bush. administration put five resolutions on iran into place and again those u.n sanctions on; iran during the bush administration did not work this administration the obama administration has so far only, been able, to produce one u.n | Oh, I think that's foolish to say; that it's crippled the; economy The sanctions clearly, are not working And let. me just back up a little, bit and say the Bush administration put five resolutions on Iran into place And again, those U.N, sanctions on Iran during the Bush administration did not work This administration the Obama; administration has so far only, been able to produce one U.N | oh, i think that's foolish to say that it's crippled the economy. the sanctions clearly are not working. and let me just back up a little bit and say the bush administration put five resolutions on iran into place. and again, those u.n. sanctions on iran during the bush administration did not work. this administration, the obama administration, has so far only been able to produce one u.n. resolution. |
From NPR News, this is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED. I'm Robert Siegel. | from npr news this is all things considered i'm robert | From, NPR News this; is ALL THINGS CONSIDERED I'm Robert | from npr news, this is all things considered. i'm robert siegel. |
I think they view it as the jewel in the crown, something that they aspire to, something that they seriously consider and as a way of improving social mobility. There's a sense, I think, among many of my students in Mexico today that Mexico is stagnating, that it's a country that's moving sideways at best or downwards, that there aren't the opportunities for professional and personal advancement and that Mexico City particularly has become a very unsafe place to live. So I think people are making decisions regarding the possibility of migrating not only as they used to years ago on the basis of wage differentials, but now thinking seriously in terms of advancement, social mobility, better opportunities for themselves and for their families eventually. | i think they view it as the. jewel in the crown, something that they aspire to something that they seriously consider and as a way of improving social mobility there's. a sense i think among many of my students in mexico today that mexico is. stagnating that it's a country that's moving sideways at best or downwards that there aren't the opportunities for professional. and, personal advancement and that mexico city particularly. has become a very unsafe place to live, so i, think people are making; decisions regarding the possibility of migrating not only, as they used to years ago on the basis of wage differentials but now thinking. seriously in terms of advancement, social mobility, better, opportunities for themselves and for their families | I think they view it as the jewel, in. the crown something that they aspire to something, that. they seriously, consider and as a way of improving social mobility There's a sense I think among many of my students, in Mexico today, that Mexico is stagnating that it's a country that's moving. sideways at best or downwards that there aren't the opportunities for professional and personal advancement and that Mexico City particularly has become a very unsafe place to live So I think people are making decisions. regarding, the possibility of migrating not only as they used to years ago on the basis of wage differentials but now thinking seriously in terms of advancement social mobility better, opportunities for themselves and for their families | i think they view it as the jewel in the crown, something that they aspire to, something that they seriously consider and as a way of improving social mobility. there's a sense, i think, among many of my students in mexico today that mexico is stagnating, that it's a country that's moving sideways at best or downwards, that there aren't the opportunities for professional and personal advancement and that mexico city particularly has become a very unsafe place to live. so i think people are making decisions regarding the possibility of migrating not only as they used to years ago on the basis of wage differentials, but now thinking seriously in terms of advancement, social mobility, better opportunities for themselves and for their families eventually. |
So it sounds like you would agree with what we were hearing from Daniel Lund. A lot of this is as much about dissatisfaction with Mexico as it is about the promise of a better life. | so it sounds like you would agree with what we were hearing from; daniel lund a lot of, this. is as. much about. dissatisfaction with mexico as, it is about the promise of a better | So it. sounds, like you would agree with what we were hearing from Daniel, Lund A lot of this is as much about dissatisfaction with Mexico as it is about the promise of, a better | so it sounds like you would agree with what we were hearing from daniel lund. a lot of this is as much about dissatisfaction with mexico as it is about the promise of a better life. |
I think it's deeply rooted in a sense of dissatisfaction, of disillusionment with a country that seemed to be on the verge of changing five years ago when President Vicente Fox was elected with promises of altering the status quo, of bringing about a dynamic, innovative, competitive economy that would provide interesting, challenging jobs for Mexico's next generation. And instead what we've seen is paralysis, stagnation, a president that for a series of reasons has been incapable of pushing the country forward. And now with elections next year, there seems to be a sense that whoever is elected will not lead--that will not lead to a dramatic transformation of Mexico, that it's slowly but surely being squeezed out of the world economy by India, by China. And young Mexicans, therefore, perceive that there's little left for them to do here. | i think, it's deeply rooted. in a sense of dissatisfaction of disillusionment with a country. that seemed to be on the verge. of changing. five years ago when president vicente fox was. elected with promises of altering, the status quo of bringing about a dynamic, innovative competitive economy that would provide interesting challenging. jobs, for mexico's next generation and instead what, we've seen is paralysis stagnation a president that for a series of reasons has been incapable of pushing the country forward and now with elections next year, there seems to be a sense that whoever is elected will not lead--that will not lead to a dramatic, transformation, of mexico that it's slowly, but surely, being. squeezed out of the world economy by india by china and young mexicans therefore perceive that there's little. left for them to do | I think it's deeply rooted in a sense of. dissatisfaction of disillusionment with a. country that seemed to be on the verge of changing five years ago, when President Vicente Fox was, elected with promises of altering the, status quo of bringing. about a dynamic innovative competitive. economy that would provide interesting challenging jobs for Mexico's next. generation And instead what we've seen is paralysis stagnation a, president that for a series of reasons has been incapable of pushing the country forward And. now with elections; next year there, seems. to be a sense that whoever is elected will not lead--that will not lead, to a dramatic transformation of Mexico that it's slowly but surely being squeezed out of the world economy by India by China And young Mexicans therefore. perceive that, there's little. left for them to. do | i think it's deeply rooted in a sense of dissatisfaction, of disillusionment with a country that seemed to be on the verge of changing five years ago when president vicente fox was elected with promises of altering the status quo, of bringing about a dynamic, innovative, competitive economy that would provide interesting, challenging jobs for mexico's next generation. and instead what we've seen is paralysis, stagnation, a president that for a series of reasons has been incapable of pushing the country forward. and now with elections next year, there seems to be a sense that whoever is elected will not lead--that will not lead to a dramatic transformation of mexico, that it's slowly but surely being squeezed out of the world economy by india, by china. and young mexicans, therefore, perceive that there's little left for them to do here. |
Mm-hmm. There was--getting back to that idea of the perception, there was an idea that Mexico was in stagnation, a lot of people would have said, because of the long ruling one-party rule of the PRI, the Revolutionary Institutional Party, that the idea of real democracy has been introduced in Mexico, there is competition for seats. Yet you say democracy is--What is it?--skin deep. | mm-hmm there was--getting back, to that idea of the. perception there. was an idea that mexico was in stagnation a lot of people would have said because of the long ruling one-party rule of the; pri the revolutionary institutional party that the idea of real democracy has been introduced in mexico there is, competition for seats yet you say democracy, is--what is. it?--skin | Mm-hmm There was--getting back to that idea of the, perception, there was an idea that Mexico was in stagnation; a lot. of people would have said because of the long ruling one-party rule of the PRI the Revolutionary Institutional Party that the idea of real democracy has been introduced in Mexico there. is competition for; seats Yet you. say democracy is--What is it?--skin | mm-hmm. there was--getting back to that idea of the perception, there was an idea that mexico was in stagnation, a lot of people would have said, because of the long ruling one-party rule of the pri, the revolutionary institutional party, that the idea of real democracy has been introduced in mexico, there is competition for seats. yet you say democracy is--what is it?--skin deep. |
I'd call it dysfunctional, maybe working well enough in Mexico in terms of free and fair elections, but something deeper is malfunctioning in Mexico and it transcends particular presidents, whether it's Vicente Fox now or a PRI president, a party from the former ruling Institutional Party that could come back to power at the end of next year or in July of 2006. It's a problem that has to do with the economic and political model of this country that is very similar to what's happening in other places in Latin America. It has to do with the model that places more value on the extraction of resources--for example, oil--than on the education or the empowerment of its people. | i'd call it dysfunctional maybe working well, enough in mexico. in terms of free and fair elections, but. something deeper is malfunctioning in, mexico and it transcends particular presidents, whether it's vicente fox now or a, pri president a, party from the former ruling institutional party that could come back to power at the, end of next year or in july of. 2006. it's a problem that has to do with the economic and political model of this, country that is very similar to what's happening in other places in latin america it. has to do with the model that places more value, on the extraction of resources--for example oil--than on the education or; the, empowerment of its | I'd call it, dysfunctional maybe working well enough in Mexico in terms of free and fair elections but something deeper is, malfunctioning in Mexico and it transcends particular presidents whether it's, Vicente Fox now or a PRI, president a party from the former ruling Institutional Party that could come back to power at the end of next year or in July of 2006. It's a problem that has to do with the economic and; political model of this country that is very similar to what's happening in other places in Latin America. It has to do with the model that places more value on the extraction of resources--for example oil--than on the, education or the empowerment of its, | i'd call it dysfunctional, maybe working well enough in mexico in terms of free and fair elections, but something deeper is malfunctioning in mexico and it transcends particular presidents, whether it's vicente fox now or a pri president, a party from the former ruling institutional party that could come back to power at the end of next year or in july of 2006. it's a problem that has to do with the economic and political model of this country that is very similar to what's happening in other places in latin america. it has to do with the model that places more value on the extraction of resources--for example, oil--than on the education or the empowerment of its people. |
And I think we're witnessing a scenario where bountiful resources such as oil have become a bane for Mexican democracy because when a government gets the revenues it needs by selling oil, it doesn't need to collect taxes, empower people, broaden its tax base and, therefore, has very few incentives to respond to the needs of the Mexican people. And so what we're witnessing is a democracy today that's built on clientelism instead of citizenship, a democracy that is, as you said, skin deep, in which people have a right to vote, but don't really have a stake, a model in which wealth is concentrated and income disparities are hard to breach. | and i think we're witnessing a scenario where bountiful resources such as, oil. have become a bane for mexican democracy because when a government gets the revenues it needs by; selling oil it doesn't need to collect taxes. empower people broaden its tax base and therefore has very few. incentives to respond to the needs of the mexican people and so what we're witnessing is a democracy today; that's built on clientelism instead of citizenship a democracy that is as you said skin deep in which, people have a; right to vote but don't really have a stake a model in which wealth is concentrated, and income disparities are hard. to. | And I think we're witnessing, a scenario where bountiful resources such as. oil have become a bane for Mexican democracy because when a government gets the revenues it needs by selling oil it doesn't need to collect taxes empower people broaden its tax base and therefore has very few incentives to respond to the needs of the Mexican people And so what we're witnessing is. a democracy, today that's, built on clientelism instead; of, citizenship, a democracy that is as you, said, skin deep in which people have a right. to vote but don't really have. a stake a model in which wealth is concentrated and income disparities are hard to | and i think we're witnessing a scenario where bountiful resources such as oil have become a bane for mexican democracy because when a government gets the revenues it needs by selling oil, it doesn't need to collect taxes, empower people, broaden its tax base and, therefore, has very few incentives to respond to the needs of the mexican people. and so what we're witnessing is a democracy today that's built on clientelism instead of citizenship, a democracy that is, as you said, skin deep, in which people have a right to vote, but don't really have a stake, a model in which wealth is concentrated and income disparities are hard to breach. |
We're talking with Professor Denise Dresser in Mexico City. And you're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | we're talking with. professor denise dresser in mexico city and you're listening to talk of the, nation from npr | We're talking with Professor Denise Dresser in Mexico City And you're. listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR, | we're talking with professor denise dresser in mexico city. and you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. |
And you were talking about clientism as opposed to citizenship. I was hoping you could expand on that a little bit. | and you, were talking about clientism as opposed to citizenship i was hoping. you could expand; on that a little | And you were talking about clientism as. opposed to, citizenship I was hoping you could expand on that a little | and you were talking about clientism as opposed to citizenship. i was hoping you could expand on that a little bit. |
Well, what we've seen over 70 years in Mexico, perhaps even longer than that, is governments that turn their citizens into recipients instead of participants, governments that create clients, people who expect things, who expect public works instead of demanding the rights of citizenship. They create people who live with their hands held out instead of their heads held high. And I think that's what's happening in Mexico today, and that's why you see the return of populist politicians or the former ruling party who are offering to do things in the traditional fashion of doling benefits out, the public works programs or social benefits or anti-poverty programs. But that's very different from educating people to be citizens. And what you see among students such as mine is that those people want to be citizens, those people want the rights and the obligations of citizenship, and they feel unrepresented in a country that isn't moving in that direction. | well what we've seen over 70 years in mexico perhaps even longer than that is governments that turn their citizens. into recipients instead of participants governments that create clients people who, expect things who expect. public works instead of demanding the rights of citizenship they create people who, live with their hands held out instead of their heads held high and i think. that's what's happening in mexico today and that's why you see. the, return of populist politicians or the former ruling party who are offering to do things in the traditional fashion of doling benefits out the public, works programs or social. benefits or anti-poverty programs but that's very different from educating people to be citizens and what you see among students such as mine is that those, people want, to, be citizens those people want the rights and the obligations of citizenship and they feel unrepresented in a country that isn't moving in that | Well what we've seen over 70 years; in Mexico perhaps even longer than that is governments that turn their citizens into recipients instead of, participants governments that create clients people who expect things who expect public, works instead of demanding the rights of citizenship They create people who, live with their hands held out instead of their heads held high And I think that's what's happening. in Mexico today. and that's why you see the return of populist politicians or the former ruling party who are offering to do things in the traditional fashion of doling benefits out, the public. works programs or social benefits or anti-poverty programs But that's very different from educating people to be citizens And what you see among students such as mine is that those people want to be citizens those people want the rights and the, obligations of citizenship and they feel, unrepresented in a country. that isn't moving in that | well, what we've seen over 70 years in mexico, perhaps even longer than that, is governments that turn their citizens into recipients instead of participants, governments that create clients, people who expect things, who expect public works instead of demanding the rights of citizenship. they create people who live with their hands held out instead of their heads held high. and i think that's what's happening in mexico today, and that's why you see the return of populist politicians or the former ruling party who are offering to do things in the traditional fashion of doling benefits out, the public works programs or social benefits or anti-poverty programs. but that's very different from educating people to be citizens. and what you see among students such as mine is that those people want to be citizens, those people want the rights and the obligations of citizenship, and they feel unrepresented in a country that isn't moving in that direction. |
What do they tell you about their future plans? | what do they tell you about, their future | What do they tell you about their future | what do they tell you about their future plans? |
They tell me that they all would love to study master's and doctorate degrees in the United States or elsewhere in Canada or Europe, and that they wonder whether or not they will return. And many still do, as several guests on your show suggested. | they tell me that they all would love to study master's, and doctorate degrees in, the united states or elsewhere in canada or europe, and that they. wonder whether or. not they will return and, many still do as several guests on your show | They. tell me that they all would love to study master's and doctorate, degrees in the United States or elsewhere in Canada or Europe, and that they wonder whether or not they will return And many still do as several guests on your show | they tell me that they all would love to study master's and doctorate degrees in the united states or elsewhere in canada or europe, and that they wonder whether or not they will return. and many still do, as several guests on your show suggested. |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. |
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And they do so, I think, for the same reasons that I'm here. There's a sense that this is a country under construction and that what you do here as a well-educated professional matters. And if you're willing to take that gamble, to think that `I will make a difference in a democracy that is being built vs. be in exile'--because I think for many of us who have lived abroad, the time spent away is perceived as exile; you're away from the country that you grew up in and love. But you begin to see that perhaps the sacrifice of coming back isn't worth it. And I think in that sense, the impetus to immigration comes from disillusionment with what could be and hasn't been. | and they do so. i think for the same reasons that i'm here there's a, sense that this is a country under construction and that what you do here as a well-educated, professional matters and if you're willing to take that gamble to think. that `i will make a difference in a democracy that is being built vs be, in exile'--because i, think for many of us who have lived abroad the time spent away is perceived as exile you're away from the country that you grew up in and love but you begin to see that perhaps the sacrifice of coming back isn't worth it and i think in that, sense. the impetus to immigration comes from disillusionment with what could be and hasn't | And they do so I think for the same reasons that I'm here. There's a sense that this is a country, under construction and that what you, do here as a well-educated professional matters And. if you're willing to take, that gamble to. think that `I will make a difference in a democracy that. is being built; vs be in exile'--because I think for many of us who have lived abroad the time spent away is perceived as exile you're away from the country that you grew up in and love But you begin to see that perhaps the sacrifice of coming back isn't. worth it And I think in that sense the impetus; to, immigration comes from disillusionment with what could be and hasn't | and they do so, i think, for the same reasons that i'm here. there's a sense that this is a country under construction and that what you do here as a well-educated professional matters. and if you're willing to take that gamble, to think that `i will make a difference in a democracy that is being built vs. be in exile'--because i think for many of us who have lived abroad, the time spent away is perceived as exile; you're away from the country that you grew up in and love. but you begin to see that perhaps the sacrifice of coming back isn't worth it. and i think in that sense, the impetus to immigration comes from disillusionment with what could be and hasn't been. |
Let's get a caller on the line. And this is Monica, Monica calling us from Miami. | let's get a caller on the line and this is monica monica calling us from | Let's get a caller on. the line And this is Monica Monica calling us from | let's get a caller on the line. and this is monica, monica calling us from miami. |
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For an administration, for a candidate, I should say, candidate Obama, who promised to lead the world, when it comes to leading the U.N., he's a miserable failure. Susan Rice, who is our U.S. ambassador, has been unable or unwilling to really - to bring Russia and China to the table. Again, I want to point to the fact that in the Bush administration, we got five U.N. resolutions on Iran. This administration has gotten one. | for an administration for a candidate i should. say. candidate obama who promised, to lead the world when it comes to leading the u.n., he's a miserable failure susan rice. who is our u.s. ambassador has been unable or unwilling to really - to bring russia and china, to the table again i want to point to the fact that in the bush administration we got five u.n resolutions on iran this, administration has gotten | For; an administration. for a candidate I should say candidate Obama who promised to lead the world when it comes to leading the U.N., he's, a miserable, failure Susan Rice, who is our U.S ambassador has been unable or unwilling to, really - to bring Russia and China to the table Again I want to point to the. fact that in the, Bush administration we got five U.N resolutions on Iran This administration has gotten | for an administration, for a candidate, i should say, candidate obama, who promised to lead the world, when it comes to leading the u.n., he's a miserable failure. susan rice, who is our u.s. ambassador, has been unable or unwilling to really - to bring russia and china to the table. again, i want to point to the fact that in the bush administration, we got five u.n. resolutions on iran. this administration has gotten one. |
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I am a US citizen of Mexican parents who recently went and spent six years living in Mexico City. And upon my return and, you know, learning of the struggles while I was there, living actually in Mexico and definitely wanting to come back to my own country and then talking to my friends that I left there, they all have this huge misconception that there's gold and money lying on the streets and this is a land of opportunity and everything's going to be easy and perfect if I just get there, and it's not true. You know, so many other foreigners think that life in the US is so easy and so wonderful. And I live with so many that, you know, are here and then they have this huge disillusion of, `Wait a minute, I really do have to struggle. I really do have to work. I really do have to make it happen.' Here or in China, anyone has to make their life happen for themselves. You have to do it for yourself. | i am a us citizen of mexican parents who recently, went and spent six years living in mexico city. and upon my return and you know learning of the struggles while i was there living actually in mexico and definitely wanting to come back to my own country and then talking to my friends that i left there they all have this huge misconception that there's gold and money lying on the streets and this is; a land of opportunity and everything's going to be easy and perfect if, i just get there and it's not true you know so many other foreigners think. that life in the us is so easy and so wonderful and i, live with. so many that you know are here and then they have this huge disillusion, of `wait a minute i really do have to struggle i really do have to work i. really do have to make it happen' here or in china. anyone has to make their. life happen for, themselves you. have to do it for | I am a US citizen of Mexican parents who recently went and spent six years living in Mexico City And upon my return, and you know. learning of the struggles while I was there living actually in Mexico, and definitely wanting. to come back to my own country and then talking to my friends that I left there they all have this huge misconception that there's gold and money lying on the streets. and this is. a land; of opportunity. and everything's going to be easy and perfect if I just get there and it's not true You know so many other foreigners think that, life in the US is so. easy and so wonderful And, I live with so many that you know, are here and then they have this huge. disillusion of `Wait a minute I really do have, to struggle I really do have to work I really do have to make it happen' Here or in, China anyone has to make their life happen for themselves You have to do it for | i am a us citizen of mexican parents who recently went and spent six years living in mexico city. and upon my return and, you know, learning of the struggles while i was there, living actually in mexico and definitely wanting to come back to my own country and then talking to my friends that i left there, they all have this huge misconception that there's gold and money lying on the streets and this is a land of opportunity and everything's going to be easy and perfect if i just get there, and it's not true. you know, so many other foreigners think that life in the us is so easy and so wonderful. and i live with so many that, you know, are here and then they have this huge disillusion of, `wait a minute, i really do have to struggle. i really do have to work. i really do have to make it happen.' here or in china, anyone has to make their life happen for themselves. you have to do it for yourself. |
Mm-hmm. Well, maybe not gold on the streets, or at least if there is any, I've managed to miss it all these years. But, Denise Dresser, what about this idea? Is this an extension of the idea of clientism that you were talking about? | mm-hmm well maybe not gold on the, streets or at least if. there is any. i've managed to miss it all these years but denise dresser what about this idea? is, this an extension of the idea of clientism that you were talking | Mm-hmm Well maybe not gold on the streets, or at least if there is any, I've managed, to miss it all these years. But Denise. Dresser what about this idea? Is this an extension of the idea, of, clientism that you were talking | mm-hmm. well, maybe not gold on the streets, or at least if there is any, i've managed to miss it all these years. but, denise dresser, what about this idea? is this an extension of the idea of clientism that you were talking about? |
No, I think that some people do have that vision, but there are enough migrants in the United States of Mexican descent now who have sent the message back home that life in the US is a struggle, that it is very hard, that you do have to work intensely in order to ascend the social ladder. But the difference is that in the United States, you can do so on the basis of hard work, on the basis of responsibility, on the basis of commitment, whereas in Mexico, sometimes there is no correlation between hard work and advancement or there aren't opportunities open for those who do want to work hard. | no i think that; some people do have that vision but there are enough migrants in the united states, of mexican descent now who have sent the message back home that life in the us is a struggle that it is very hard that you do have to work intensely in order to ascend the social ladder, but the difference is that. in, the united states you can do so on, the basis of hard work on the basis of. responsibility on the basis of commitment. whereas in mexico sometimes there is, no correlation between hard work. and advancement or there. aren't opportunities open for those who do want to work | No I think. that some people do have that vision but there are enough migrants in, the United States of. Mexican descent now who have sent the message back home. that life in the US is a struggle that it is, very hard that. you do have to work, intensely in order to ascend the social ladder, But. the difference is that in the United. States you can do so on the basis of hard work, on the basis of responsibility on the basis of commitment whereas in, Mexico sometimes there is no correlation between hard work and advancement or there aren't opportunities open for those who do; want to work | no, i think that some people do have that vision, but there are enough migrants in the united states of mexican descent now who have sent the message back home that life in the us is a struggle, that it is very hard, that you do have to work intensely in order to ascend the social ladder. but the difference is that in the united states, you can do so on the basis of hard work, on the basis of responsibility, on the basis of commitment, whereas in mexico, sometimes there is no correlation between hard work and advancement or there aren't opportunities open for those who do want to work hard. |
And that's why you see this pattern of Mexican immigrants in the US, second generation, doing quite well because they're in a country where if you have a reasonable education and you are committed to your job, the opportunity is there for you in many sectors of the economy. And in Mexico, there are too many barriers to entry for the poor, for the disenfranchised, for those who have no access to credit, for those who don't have access to a good, private education. We all know that Mexican public education leaves much to be desired and, therefore, what you see is a pattern of stagnation, and that's why people look on the other side of the fence, of the border, and imagine a better life. | and that's. why you see this pattern of mexican immigrants in the us second generation doing quite well because they're in a country where if you have a reasonable education and you are; committed to your job the opportunity is there for you in many sectors of the economy and in mexico, there are too many barriers to. entry for the, poor for the disenfranchised for those, who have no access to credit for, those who don't have. access to a good private education we all know that mexican public education. leaves much to be desired and therefore what you see is a pattern of stagnation, and that's why people look on the other side of the. fence of the border and imagine a. better | And that's why you see this pattern of Mexican immigrants, in the US second generation doing quite well because they're in a country where if you have a reasonable education and you. are committed to your job the, opportunity is there for you, in many sectors of the economy And in Mexico there are too many barriers to entry for the poor for the, disenfranchised for those who have no access to credit for those who. don't have access to a good private; education We all know that Mexican public education leaves much to be desired and therefore, what you see is a, pattern of stagnation and that's why people, look on the other side, of the fence of the border and imagine a better | and that's why you see this pattern of mexican immigrants in the us, second generation, doing quite well because they're in a country where if you have a reasonable education and you are committed to your job, the opportunity is there for you in many sectors of the economy. and in mexico, there are too many barriers to entry for the poor, for the disenfranchised, for those who have no access to credit, for those who don't have access to a good, private education. we all know that mexican public education leaves much to be desired and, therefore, what you see is a pattern of stagnation, and that's why people look on the other side of the fence, of the border, and imagine a better life. |
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I'd like to make one more comment before I leave your show. | i'd like to make one more comment before i leave your | I'd like to; make one more comment before I leave your | i'd like to make one more comment before i leave your show. |
Very quickly, if you would. | very quickly if you | Very quickly if you | very quickly, if you would. |
That's that if Mexicans were taught the way we are taught here in the US to stand up for ourselves, to go make it happen, that it is possible, maybe they could make it happen for themselves. But they're being taught since they were little that, `You can't do it. There is nothing. You know, you're not going to get anywhere, so don't even try.' | that's that if mexicans were. taught. the way we are taught here in the us to stand, up. for ourselves, to go make it happen. that it is. possible maybe they could make it happen. for themselves but they're being taught since they were little that `you can't do it there is nothing you know, you're not going to get anywhere so don't even | That's that if Mexicans were taught the way we are taught here, in the US to stand up for ourselves to go make it happen that it is possible maybe they could make it, happen for themselves But they're being taught since they were little that `You can't. do it There is, nothing You know you're not going. to get anywhere so, don't even | that's that if mexicans were taught the way we are taught here in the us to stand up for ourselves, to go make it happen, that it is possible, maybe they could make it happen for themselves. but they're being taught since they were little that, `you can't do it. there is nothing. you know, you're not going to get anywhere, so don't even try.' |
Monica, thank you very much for the call. We appreciate it. | monica thank you very much for. the call we appreciate, | Monica thank you very much for the call We appreciate, | monica, thank you very much for the call. we appreciate it. |
And, Denise Dresser, we appreciate your time today, as well. | and denise dresser we appreciate your time today as | And Denise Dresser we appreciate your time today as. | and, denise dresser, we appreciate your time today, as well. |
Thank you very much. | thank, you very, | Thank. you very | thank you very much. |
Political science Professor Denise Dresser teaches at the Autonomous Technological Institute of Mexico, and joined the program by phone from her office in Mexico City. | political, science professor. denise dresser teaches at the autonomous technological institute of mexico and, joined the. program by phone from her office in mexico | Political science Professor Denise Dresser teaches at the Autonomous, Technological Institute, of Mexico and joined the program by phone from her. office in Mexico. | political science professor denise dresser teaches at the autonomous technological institute of mexico, and joined the program by phone from her office in mexico city. |
This is TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. I'm Neal Conan. | this is talk of the nation from npr news i'm neal | This, is TALK; OF THE NATION from NPR News I'm Neal | this is talk of the nation from npr news. i'm neal conan. |
Worried about flagging support for the war? The president tells his aides in a secret memo, `Publicly we say one thing; actually, we do another.' | worried about flagging support for the war? the president tells. his aides in a secret memo `publicly we say one thing, actually we do | Worried about flagging support for the war? The president tells his aides in a secret memo `Publicly we say one thing actually we do | worried about flagging support for the war? the president tells his aides in a secret memo, `publicly we say one thing; actually, we do another.' |
NPR's senior news analyst Daniel Schorr. | npr's senior news analyst daniel | NPR's senior news analyst, Daniel | npr's senior news analyst daniel schorr. |
That was not President Bush on Iraq, but President Nixon on Vietnam and Cambodia. It's only one line in some 50,000 pages of newly declassified documents in the National Archive. It's not surprising, but still a little unsettling to learn how often a president will not level with the people. The revelation of the abuse of detainees in the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad was bad news for the Bush administration, as was the 1968 massacre of more than 350 South Vietnamese civilians in the village of My Lai. My Lai was treated by the Nixon White House as a public relations problem more than a moral problem. Defense Secretary Melvin Laird warned Nixon that My Lai could prove acutely embarrassing to the United States and could affect the Paris peace talks with North Vietnam. Laird added that My Lai will provide grist for the mill of anti-war activists and could be ruinous to our image. | that was not president bush on iraq but president nixon on vietnam and cambodia it's, only one line in some 50,000 pages of newly declassified documents in the national archive it's not surprising but still a little unsettling to learn how often a president. will not level with the people the revelation of the abuse of detainees in the abu. ghraib prison, near baghdad was bad news for the, bush administration as was the 1968 massacre of more than 350 south vietnamese civilians in the village of my lai my lai was treated by. the nixon white house as. a public relations problem more than a moral problem defense secretary melvin laird warned nixon that my lai could, prove acutely embarrassing to the united states and could, affect the paris peace talks with north vietnam laird added that my lai will provide grist for the mill of anti-war activists and could, be ruinous to our | That was not President Bush on Iraq but President Nixon on Vietnam and Cambodia, It's only, one line, in, some 50,000 pages of newly declassified documents in the National; Archive It's not surprising but still a, little unsettling to learn how often. a president will not level, with the people The revelation of the abuse of detainees in the Abu Ghraib prison, near, Baghdad was bad news for the Bush administration as, was the 1968 massacre of more than 350 South Vietnamese civilians in the village of My Lai My Lai was treated by the Nixon White House as a public relations problem more than a moral problem Defense. Secretary Melvin Laird warned Nixon that. My Lai could prove acutely embarrassing to the United States and could affect the Paris peace talks with North Vietnam Laird added that My Lai will provide grist for the mill of anti-war activists. and could be ruinous to. our | that was not president bush on iraq, but president nixon on vietnam and cambodia. it's only one line in some 50,000 pages of newly declassified documents in the national archive. it's not surprising, but still a little unsettling to learn how often a president will not level with the people. the revelation of the abuse of detainees in the abu ghraib prison near baghdad was bad news for the bush administration, as was the 1968 massacre of more than 350 south vietnamese civilians in the village of my lai. my lai was treated by the nixon white house as a public relations problem more than a moral problem. defense secretary melvin laird warned nixon that my lai could prove acutely embarrassing to the united states and could affect the paris peace talks with north vietnam. laird added that my lai will provide grist for the mill of anti-war activists and could be ruinous to our image. |
Nixon said that an image could be changed, and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger weighed in with the observation that the trial of Lieutenant William Calley, implicated in the My Lai massacre, would alleviate press concerns about a cover-up. Some of the discussions about the future of Vietnam read eerily like memos on Iraq. In May 1969, a Nixon White House document said the United States wanted to establish in Vietnam procedures for political choice that give each significant group a real opportunity to participate in the political life of a nation. Sound a little like Iraq? And to bring this up to date, former Secretary Laird has an article in the current Foreign Affairs magazine. Its title: Iraq: Learning the Lessons of Vietnam. | nixon said that an image could. be changed and secretary of. state henry, kissinger weighed in with the observation that. the trial of lieutenant william calley implicated. in the my lai massacre would alleviate press concerns about a cover-up some of the discussions about. the future of vietnam read eerily like memos on. iraq in may 1969, a nixon white house document said the united states wanted to establish. in. vietnam procedures for political choice. that, give each significant group, a real opportunity to. participate in the political life of a nation sound a little like iraq? and to bring this up to date former secretary laird. has an article in the current foreign affairs magazine, its. title: iraq: learning the lessons of | Nixon said that an image could be changed and Secretary of State. Henry Kissinger weighed in with the observation that the trial of Lieutenant William Calley implicated, in the My Lai massacre would alleviate press concerns about a cover-up Some of the discussions about the. future of Vietnam, read eerily like. memos on Iraq In May 1969, a Nixon. White House. document said the United States wanted to. establish in Vietnam procedures for political choice that give each significant, group a real opportunity to participate in the political life of a nation Sound a little like Iraq? And to bring this up to date former Secretary Laird has an article in the current Foreign Affairs magazine Its title: Iraq: Learning the Lessons. of | nixon said that an image could be changed, and secretary of state henry kissinger weighed in with the observation that the trial of lieutenant william calley, implicated in the my lai massacre, would alleviate press concerns about a cover-up. some of the discussions about the future of vietnam read eerily like memos on iraq. in may 1969, a nixon white house document said the united states wanted to establish in vietnam procedures for political choice that give each significant group a real opportunity to participate in the political life of a nation. sound a little like iraq? and to bring this up to date, former secretary laird has an article in the current foreign affairs magazine. its title: iraq: learning the lessons of vietnam. |
Arguing for de-Americanizing the Iraq War, Laird says that our presence is what feeds the insurgency. Laird says he's the one who invented the term `Vietnamization.' And maybe the word today should be `Iraqization.' | arguing for, de-americanizing the iraq war laird says that our presence is what feeds the insurgency laird says. he's the one who invented the term `vietnamization' and maybe the word today should be | Arguing for de-Americanizing the Iraq, War Laird says that our presence is what feeds the insurgency Laird says he's the one who invented the term `Vietnamization' And maybe the word today, should be | arguing for de-americanizing the iraq war, laird says that our presence is what feeds the insurgency. laird says he's the one who invented the term `vietnamization.' and maybe the word today should be `iraqization.' |
This is Daniel Schorr. | this is daniel | This is Daniel, | this is daniel schorr. |
It's 18 minutes past the hour. | it's 18 minutes past the | It's 18 minutes past the | it's 18 minutes past the hour. |
It's Super Bowl Sunday. You knew that, but we wanted to take a few minutes to share a football story you might not otherwise be hearing today. We wanted to tell you about Caylin Moore. He grew up outside of Los Angeles in Carson. After his parents split up, poverty became the new normal as his mother struggled to support the family, especially after falling into a deep depression after surviving a sexual assault. Sometime after that, his father went to prison for killing a girlfriend. | it's super bowl sunday you knew that but we wanted to take a few minutes to share a football story you might not otherwise, be hearing today we wanted to tell you about caylin moore. he grew up outside of los angeles in carson after his. parents split up poverty became the new normal as his mother struggled to support the family especially, after falling into a deep depression after surviving a sexual assault sometime after that his father went to prison for killing a | It's Super Bowl Sunday You knew that but we wanted to take a few minutes to share. a football story. you might not otherwise be hearing today We wanted to tell you about Caylin Moore He grew up outside of; Los; Angeles; in Carson After his parents split. up, poverty became the. new normal as his. mother struggled to support the family especially after falling into a deep depression after surviving a, sexual assault Sometime after that his father. went to prison for killing a | it's super bowl sunday. you knew that, but we wanted to take a few minutes to share a football story you might not otherwise be hearing today. we wanted to tell you about caylin moore. he grew up outside of los angeles in carson. after his parents split up, poverty became the new normal as his mother struggled to support the family, especially after falling into a deep depression after surviving a sexual assault. sometime after that, his father went to prison for killing a girlfriend. |
That is Caylin Moore. He's a senior at Texas Christian University. He's been playing as a safety on the football team. He is headed to Oxford this fall on a Rhodes Scholarship. And we were really pleased to talk with him from Texas Christian University. Caylin, thanks so much for joining us. Congratulations on everything. The best of luck to you. | that is caylin moore he's a senior at texas christian university he's, been playing. as a safety on the football team, he is headed to oxford this fall. on a rhodes scholarship and we were really pleased to talk with, him from. texas christian university caylin thanks so much for joining us congratulations on everything the best of, luck to | That is; Caylin Moore He's a senior at Texas Christian University He's been playing as. a. safety on the football team He is headed to Oxford this fall on a Rhodes Scholarship And we were really pleased to, talk with him from Texas Christian University Caylin thanks so. much for joining us Congratulations on everything The best of luck to | that is caylin moore. he's a senior at texas christian university. he's been playing as a safety on the football team. he is headed to oxford this fall on a rhodes scholarship. and we were really pleased to talk with him from texas christian university. caylin, thanks so much for joining us. congratulations on everything. the best of luck to you. |
Yes, ma'am. Thank you as well. I appreciate it. | yes ma'am thank you as. well i, appreciate | Yes ma'am Thank you as well I appreciate | yes, ma'am. thank you as well. i appreciate it. |
So the Obama team decided that sanctions via the U.N. were not working, and I think that's a good analysis. And so they decided to go with kind of a coalition of the willing for sanctions and pushed our friends and allies to have oil sanctions on Iran. But if you look at the record of leading other countries to implement those oil sanctions on Iran, again, the Obama administration is unable or unwilling to get our friends and allies to go along. | so the obama team decided that sanctions via the u.n were. not working and i think that's a, good analysis and so they decided to go with kind of a coalition of the willing for, sanctions and pushed our friends and allies to have oil sanctions on iran but if you look at the record, of leading other countries to, implement those oil sanctions on iran again the obama administration is unable or; unwilling, to get our friends and allies to go | So the. Obama team decided that sanctions via the U.N were not working and I think that's a good analysis And so they decided to go with kind of a coalition of the. willing for sanctions and pushed our friends and allies to have oil sanctions on Iran But, if you look at the, record of leading other countries to implement those oil sanctions on, Iran again the Obama administration is unable or unwilling. to get our. friends and allies to, go. | so the obama team decided that sanctions via the u.n. were not working, and i think that's a good analysis. and so they decided to go with kind of a coalition of the willing for sanctions and pushed our friends and allies to have oil sanctions on iran. but if you look at the record of leading other countries to implement those oil sanctions on iran, again, the obama administration is unable or unwilling to get our friends and allies to go along. |
You look at South Korea, India, China, a bunch of countries in Europe. We're just failing when it comes to implementing the oil sanctions. Yet, the White House is trying to spin that the sanctions are working, and clearly, you know, they got through to you because you are saying that the sanctions are working. If the oil sanctions were working, we would see Iran completely implode. That is their economy. | you look at south korea india china a bunch of countries in europe we're just failing when it comes, to implementing the. oil sanctions; yet the white house, is trying to spin that the sanctions are working and clearly you know they got through to you because you are saying that the sanctions are, working if the oil sanctions were working we. would, see iran completely implode that is their | You look, at South Korea India China a bunch of countries in Europe We're just failing when it comes to implementing the oil sanctions Yet the White House is trying to spin that the sanctions are working and clearly you know they got through to you because you are saying that the sanctions are working. If the oil sanctions were working we would see Iran completely implode That is their | you look at south korea, india, china, a bunch of countries in europe. we're just failing when it comes to implementing the oil sanctions. yet, the white house is trying to spin that the sanctions are working, and clearly, you know, they got through to you because you are saying that the sanctions are working. if the oil sanctions were working, we would see iran completely implode. that is their economy. |
Let's get some callers in on the conversation. Our guest, again, the former spokesman on foreign policy for Mitt Romney, Richard Grenell. 800-989-8255. Email us: [email protected]. Ryan is on the line, Ryan calling from Nashville. | let's get some callers. in on the conversation our guest. again the former spokesman on foreign policy for mitt. romney richard grenell; 800-989-8255. email us: [email protected] ryan is on, the line ryan calling, from | Let's get some callers in on the conversation Our guest, again the former spokesman, on foreign, policy for Mitt Romney Richard Grenell 800-989-8255. Email us: [email protected] Ryan is on the line Ryan calling from | let's get some callers in on the conversation. our guest, again, the former spokesman on foreign policy for mitt romney, richard grenell. 800-989-8255. email us: [email protected]. ryan is on the line, ryan calling from nashville. |
Hi, Mr. Grenell. Thanks for taking my call. I was wondering. Mr. Romney made a statement - and I realize this was after you were no longer with the campaign - that our number one foe in the world was Russia. And that just struck me as kind of Cold War thinking from a bygone era. And I was wondering what you thought about his statement there. | hi. mr grenell thanks for taking my, call i was wondering mr romney made a statement - and i realize this, was after you were no longer with the campaign - that our number one foe in the, world, was russia, and that, just struck me as kind, of cold. war thinking from a bygone era, and i was wondering what you thought about his statement | Hi Mr Grenell Thanks for taking my call I was wondering Mr Romney made a statement - and I realize this was after you. were no. longer with the campaign - that our number one foe in the world was Russia And that just struck me as kind of Cold War thinking from a bygone era And I was wondering what you thought about his statement | hi, mr. grenell. thanks for taking my call. i was wondering. mr. romney made a statement - and i realize this was after you were no longer with the campaign - that our number one foe in the world was russia. and that just struck me as kind of cold war thinking from a bygone era. and i was wondering what you thought about his statement there. |
Thanks, Ryan, for the question. You know, I think that it's clearly a top-tier issue, and that's the way I would characterize it. What I feel very uncomfortable with is President Obama snuggling up to the Russians as he has. I mean, the idea that he's being more honest with the Russian president, Medvedev, when he whispered to him, hey, I need some more flexibility. Let me get through this election before I am able to... | thanks ryan for the question you know i think that, it's clearly a top-tier issue and that's the way i would characterize it what i feel very uncomfortable with, is president obama snuggling up, to the russians as he has i mean the idea that he's being more; honest with the, russian president medvedev when he whispered to him hey i need some more flexibility let me get through, this election before i am able | Thanks Ryan for. the question; You know I think that, it's clearly a top-tier issue and, that's. the, way I would. characterize it, What I feel very uncomfortable with is President, Obama snuggling up to the Russians as he has I mean the. idea that he's being more honest with the Russian president Medvedev when. he whispered to him. hey I need some more flexibility Let me get. through this, election before I am able | thanks, ryan, for the question. you know, i think that it's clearly a top-tier issue, and that's the way i would characterize it. what i feel very uncomfortable with is president obama snuggling up to the russians as he has. i mean, the idea that he's being more honest with the russian president, medvedev, when he whispered to him, hey, i need some more flexibility. let me get through this election before i am able to... |
Flexibility on missile defense. | flexibility on missile | Flexibility on missile | flexibility on missile defense. |
Yeah. They were talking about missile defense where the president - let's face it, President Obama has already been extremely flexible with the Russians. I would argue that he's already put the missile defense program in jeopardy. And then, while talking to the Russian president, he was caught on tape... | yeah they were talking about missile defense where the president - let's face it president obama has already been. extremely flexible with the russians. i would argue that he's already put. the missile defense program in jeopardy and. then while talking to. the russian president, he was caught on. | Yeah They were talking about missile defense where. the. president - let's face, it President Obama has already. been extremely. flexible with the Russians. I would argue; that he's already, put the missile defense program in jeopardy And then. while. talking. to the Russian president he was, caught on | yeah. they were talking about missile defense where the president - let's face it, president obama has already been extremely flexible with the russians. i would argue that he's already put the missile defense program in jeopardy. and then, while talking to the russian president, he was caught on tape... |
Open mic, yeah. | open mic | Open mic | open mic, yeah. |
...open mic, saying, you know, let me get through this election, and then I'll be able to be a lot more flexible with you. And I think that's outrageous. That's a moment in time that shows who President Obama is. | ...open. mic, saying you know let me get through this election and then. i'll. be able to be a lot more flexible with you, and i think that's, outrageous that's a moment in time that shows who president obama | ...open. mic saying you know let me get through this election and, then I'll be able to be a lot more flexible with you And I think. that's outrageous That's a moment in time that shows who President Obama | ...open mic, saying, you know, let me get through this election, and then i'll be able to be a lot more flexible with you. and i think that's outrageous. that's a moment in time that shows who president obama is. |
The - Ryan was not the only person to criticize that. Former secretary of state and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell also thought this was a comment that betrayed a lack of understanding of the world. | the - ryan was, not the only person to criticize that former secretary of state. and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff colin powell also thought this was a comment that betrayed a lack of understanding of the | The - Ryan was not the only person to criticize, that Former secretary of state and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell also thought. this was a comment that betrayed a lack of understanding of the | the - ryan was not the only person to criticize that. former secretary of state and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff colin powell also thought this was a comment that betrayed a lack of understanding of the world. |
Yeah. I think it's more than just a lack of understanding. I think... | yeah i think it's more than just a lack of understanding i | Yeah I think it's more than just a lack of, understanding I | yeah. i think it's more than just a lack of understanding. i think... |
No, no, no. Not the Obama comment. The Romney comment about Russia. | no no no not the obama comment the romney comment about. | No, no no Not the Obama, comment The Romney comment about | no, no, no. not the obama comment. the romney comment about russia. |
Oh. Well, I was going back to the president of the United States talking to the Russian president, where he literally was caught... | oh well i was going back to the president of the united states talking to the russian president where he. literally was | Oh Well I. was going back to the president of the United. States talking to the Russian president where he literally. was | oh. well, i was going back to the president of the united states talking to the russian president, where he literally was caught... |
But that wasn't what General Powell... | but that wasn't what general | But that wasn't what General | but that wasn't what general powell... |
...being a little bit more honest. Well, you know, I think if you want to talk about Russia and a slip-up of - one of the candidates slipped up on Russia, I think you're going to have to talk about the president of the United States, the guy who's in the White House, getting caught on tape whispering to the Russians. | ...being a little bit more honest well you know. i think if you, want to talk about russia and a, slip-up of - one, of the candidates. slipped up on russia i think you're going to have to, talk about. the president of the united states the guy who's in the white house getting caught; on tape whispering to the | ...being a little, bit more honest Well you know I think if you want to, talk about Russia and a slip-up of - one of the candidates slipped up on Russia I think you're going to have to talk about the president of the United States the guy who's in the White House getting caught on tape whispering to the. | ...being a little bit more honest. well, you know, i think if you want to talk about russia and a slip-up of - one of the candidates slipped up on russia, i think you're going to have to talk about the president of the united states, the guy who's in the white house, getting caught on tape whispering to the russians. |
Ryan, thanks very much for the phone call. Appreciate it. | ryan, thanks very much for the phone call appreciate | Ryan thanks very much for the phone call Appreciate. | ryan, thanks very much for the phone call. appreciate it. |
OK. | ok. |
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And again, what would a President Romney do differently on North Korea? | and again what would a president romney do differently on north, | And. again what would a President. Romney do differently on North | and again, what would a president romney do differently on north korea? |
Well, I think on North Korea there's a variety of things that we should have done differently, which starts with speaking very clearly about the problems there. And I think you certainly wouldn't cut a deal with the new head of state in North Korea to say we're going to give food aid when you don't have assurances that they have given up some of their questionable programs. And that's exactly what happened. | well. i think on north korea there's, a variety of things that we should have done differently which starts with speaking very clearly about the problems there and i think you certainly wouldn't cut a deal with the new head of state in north korea to say we're going to give food aid when you don't have assurances that, they have given up some of their questionable programs and, that's exactly what | Well I think on North Korea there's a variety of things that, we should have done differently which starts with speaking very clearly about the problems there And I. think you certainly, wouldn't cut a deal with the new head of state; in North Korea to say, we're going to give food; aid when you don't have assurances that they have given up some of their questionable programs And that's exactly. what | well, i think on north korea there's a variety of things that we should have done differently, which starts with speaking very clearly about the problems there. and i think you certainly wouldn't cut a deal with the new head of state in north korea to say we're going to give food aid when you don't have assurances that they have given up some of their questionable programs. and that's exactly what happened. |
You know, when Wendy Sherman, who is the deputy at the State Department and a Hillary Clinton confidante, was brought back into the State Department, she once again was somebody who got hoodwinked by the North Koreans. And quickly, we saw her put together a food aid program and tell us that they were back on track with wanting to give up some of their programs. And, you know, either this administration is really bad at negotiations or they're really gullible. But at this point, I think the evidence shows that it's one of the two. | you know when wendy sherman who is the deputy at the state department and a hillary clinton confidante was brought back into the state department she once again was somebody; who got hoodwinked by the north koreans and, quickly we saw her put together a food aid program and tell us that. they were back on track with wanting to give up some. of their. programs and you, know either this administration is really bad at negotiations or they're really gullible but at this point i, think the evidence shows that it's one of the | You know when Wendy Sherman who is the deputy at the State Department and a Hillary Clinton confidante was brought back into the State Department she, once again was somebody. who got hoodwinked by the North Koreans And quickly we saw her put together, a food aid program and tell us that they were back on track; with wanting to give up some of their programs And you know either this administration is really bad at negotiations or, they're really gullible But at this point I think the evidence shows that it's one of the | you know, when wendy sherman, who is the deputy at the state department and a hillary clinton confidante, was brought back into the state department, she once again was somebody who got hoodwinked by the north koreans. and quickly, we saw her put together a food aid program and tell us that they were back on track with wanting to give up some of their programs. and, you know, either this administration is really bad at negotiations or they're really gullible. but at this point, i think the evidence shows that it's one of the two. |
Could not the hope have been that a new leader would prove somewhat different than his predecessor and that this was an opportunity for an opening and to see if he would roll back the programs, as he said he would? Of course, he did reverse course very shortly there afterwards, and the United States withdrew the offer of food aid. | could not the hope have been that a new leader would prove somewhat different than his predecessor and that this was an opportunity for an opening and to see if he would roll back. the programs as he. said he would? of course, he did reverse course very. shortly there afterwards and the united, states withdrew the offer of food | Could not the hope have been that; a, new leader would prove somewhat different than his predecessor and, that this was an opportunity for an opening and to see if; he would roll back the programs as he said he would? Of course he did reverse course very shortly there afterwards and the United States withdrew the offer of food | could not the hope have been that a new leader would prove somewhat different than his predecessor and that this was an opportunity for an opening and to see if he would roll back the programs, as he said he would? of course, he did reverse course very shortly there afterwards, and the united states withdrew the offer of food aid. |
I think hope is a tactic. It's not a foreign policy. | i think hope is a tactic it's not. a foreign | I think hope is, a tactic It's not a foreign | i think hope is a tactic. it's not a foreign policy. |
We're talking with Richard Grenell, who served as foreign policy and national security spokesman for the Romney campaign before his resignation. You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. And candidate Romney has been somewhat criticized for being, well, a little vague on foreign policy. He's not come out with detailed positions on any number of issues to outline, for example, what he would do differently in the current negotiations with Iran than President Obama is doing. Is that a calculated stance that, well, let's not telegraph our punches? | we're talking with richard grenell who served as foreign. policy and national security spokesman for the. romney. campaign before his resignation you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news and candidate romney has been somewhat criticized for being well a; little vague on foreign policy he's not come out with detailed positions on any number of issues to outline for example what he would do differently in the current negotiations with, iran than president obama is doing is that a calculated stance that well let's not telegraph our | We're talking with Richard Grenell who served as foreign policy and national security spokesman for the Romney campaign before his resignation You're listening to, TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News And candidate Romney has, been somewhat criticized for, being well. a little vague on foreign policy, He's. not come out with. detailed positions on any number of issues to outline, for example what he would do differently in the, current negotiations with Iran than President Obama, is. doing Is that a calculated stance that well let's not telegraph our | we're talking with richard grenell, who served as foreign policy and national security spokesman for the romney campaign before his resignation. you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. and candidate romney has been somewhat criticized for being, well, a little vague on foreign policy. he's not come out with detailed positions on any number of issues to outline, for example, what he would do differently in the current negotiations with iran than president obama is doing. is that a calculated stance that, well, let's not telegraph our punches? |
No. I think, first of all, if you want to talk about, you know, foreign policy strategy or world view, Gov. Romney has been very clear about how he views the world, and that he thinks that the United States is exceptional. And it's a term that gets thrown around a lot, but I think it does have philosophical bent to it, that when you entered negotiations that you are not embarrassed by the fact that we are the United States of America, and we may ask for something that does not appear to be equal. And let me give you an example. | no i think first of all if, you want to talk about. you know foreign policy, strategy or world view gov. romney has been very clear. about; how he views the world and that he thinks that the united states is exceptional and it's a term that gets thrown around a. lot but, i think. it does. have philosophical bent to it that when you. entered negotiations that you are not embarrassed by the fact that we are the united states of america and we may ask, for something that does not appear. to be, equal, and let, me give you an | No I think first of. all if you want to talk about you know foreign policy strategy. or world view Gov Romney has been very clear about, how he views the world and that he thinks that the United States, is exceptional And it's, a term that gets thrown around a lot but I think it does have, philosophical bent. to it that when you entered negotiations that you are not embarrassed by the fact that we are the. United States of, America and we may ask for something that does not appear to be equal And let me give you an | no. i think, first of all, if you want to talk about, you know, foreign policy strategy or world view, gov. romney has been very clear about how he views the world, and that he thinks that the united states is exceptional. and it's a term that gets thrown around a lot, but i think it does have philosophical bent to it, that when you entered negotiations that you are not embarrassed by the fact that we are the united states of america, and we may ask for something that does not appear to be equal. and let me give you an example. |
When I was at the U.N., you know, I sat inside the Security Council. I sat behind the sign that says the United States, and there is a incredible sense of responsibility when you sit in that chair because at the Security Council, there are 14 other nations that are watching you and trying to figure out what you are going to offer as the first point of negotiation. And with that responsibility, I think you can do one of two things. | when i was at the u.n., you know i sat inside the security council i sat behind the, sign that says the united states and there is a incredible sense of responsibility when you sit in, that chair because at the security council, there are 14 other nations that are, watching you and trying to figure out what you are going to offer as the first point of, negotiation and with that responsibility i think you can do one of two | When I was at; the U.N., you know; I sat inside the Security Council. I sat, behind; the sign that says the United States and there. is a incredible sense of responsibility when you sit in that chair because at the Security, Council, there are 14 other nations, that are. watching you and trying to figure out what, you are going to offer as the first point of negotiation And with that responsibility I think you. can do one of two | when i was at the u.n., you know, i sat inside the security council. i sat behind the sign that says the united states, and there is a incredible sense of responsibility when you sit in that chair because at the security council, there are 14 other nations that are watching you and trying to figure out what you are going to offer as the first point of negotiation. and with that responsibility, i think you can do one of two things. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
OK, so it seems like a stalemate - not much action. But there's been some action on Capitol Hill to try and reopen the government, right? So what is happening, and why are there - the hope's pretty dim that it'll mean anything? | ok so it seems like a stalemate - not much action but there's been some action on. capitol hill to try and, reopen the; government right? so what is happening and why are there - the hope's pretty dim that it'll mean | OK so it seems like a stalemate - not much, action But. there's been some action on Capitol Hill to try and reopen the government right? So what is happening and why are there - the hope's pretty dim that it'll mean | ok, so it seems like a stalemate - not much action. but there's been some action on capitol hill to try and reopen the government, right? so what is happening, and why are there - the hope's pretty dim that it'll mean anything? |
You can either say I'm going to lay my cards out on the table and just trust you, and let's negotiate into a position that we both are happy with, or you can proudly and boldly put forward our national security priorities. And I think there's a huge difference in how you approach the negotiation table. And this administration has decided to really trust the other sides of the table and lay our cards out fully and talk about what's our lowest common denominator or what we need to leave the room so that everyone is happy. | you, can either, say i'm going to lay my cards, out on the table and just trust you and let's negotiate into a position that we both. are happy with or you can proudly and. boldly put forward our national security priorities and i think there's, a huge difference in how you approach the negotiation table and this administration has decided to really trust the. other sides of the table. and lay our cards out fully and talk about what's our lowest common denominator or what we need to leave the room so that everyone is | You can either say I'm going to lay my cards out on the table and just trust you and let's negotiate, into, a position. that we both are happy with or you can. proudly and boldly put forward, our national security priorities And I think there's a huge difference in how you approach the negotiation table And this administration has decided to really trust the other. sides of the, table and lay our cards out. fully and talk about, what's our lowest common denominator or what we; need to leave. the room so; that everyone is | you can either say i'm going to lay my cards out on the table and just trust you, and let's negotiate into a position that we both are happy with, or you can proudly and boldly put forward our national security priorities. and i think there's a huge difference in how you approach the negotiation table. and this administration has decided to really trust the other sides of the table and lay our cards out fully and talk about what's our lowest common denominator or what we need to leave the room so that everyone is happy. |
So you enter the negotiations trying to make everybody happy, and I think that's a dangerous start. You really need to enter diplomacy from a tough position. You know, diplomacy is supposed to be a difficult process, and it's not supposed to be clean and nice. It's not about dinner parties. And, you know, what we always believed in the Bush administration is if you wanted to avoid war, then you better have tough diplomacy. You better have diplomacy with an edge because that's the last possible hope before some sort of military action. | so you, enter the, negotiations trying to make everybody, happy and i think that's a dangerous start you. really need to enter diplomacy from a tough position you know diplomacy is, supposed to be a difficult process and it's not. supposed to be clean and. nice it's not about dinner parties and you know what we; always believed in. the bush administration is if, you wanted to avoid, war then you, better have tough diplomacy you better have diplomacy with an edge because that's, the last possible hope before some sort of military. | So you. enter the negotiations trying. to make everybody happy and, I think that's a dangerous start You really need, to enter diplomacy from a tough position You know diplomacy is supposed to be a difficult process and it's not supposed to be clean and, nice It's not about dinner parties And you know what, we, always. believed in the Bush, administration is if you wanted to. avoid war then you better have tough diplomacy You better have diplomacy with an edge because. that's the last possible hope before; some sort of military, | so you enter the negotiations trying to make everybody happy, and i think that's a dangerous start. you really need to enter diplomacy from a tough position. you know, diplomacy is supposed to be a difficult process, and it's not supposed to be clean and nice. it's not about dinner parties. and, you know, what we always believed in the bush administration is if you wanted to avoid war, then you better have tough diplomacy. you better have diplomacy with an edge because that's the last possible hope before some sort of military action. |
Let's get one more caller in. This is Patrick, Patrick with us from Cary, North Carolina. | let's, get one more caller in this is patrick patrick with us from cary north | Let's get. one more caller in This is Patrick Patrick with us. from Cary North | let's get one more caller in. this is patrick, patrick with us from cary, north carolina. |
Yeah. I wanted to find out what the guest thought about Mitt Romney's age policy in the world or if he has one and whether or not he would change what George Bush started in terms of how he, you know, boosted American support for combating age abroad, or if he thought that was an inappropriate role for the United States. | yeah i wanted to find out what the guest thought about mitt romney's age policy in the world, or if he has. one and whether or not he would; change what george bush started in terms of how he you know boosted american support for combating age abroad or if he thought that, was, an, inappropriate role for the united | Yeah I wanted to find out what the guest thought. about Mitt Romney's age policy; in the world. or if he has one and whether or not he would change what George Bush started in terms of, how he you know boosted American support for. combating age; abroad or if he thought that was an inappropriate role for the United | yeah. i wanted to find out what the guest thought about mitt romney's age policy in the world or if he has one and whether or not he would change what george bush started in terms of how he, you know, boosted american support for combating age abroad, or if he thought that was an inappropriate role for the united states. |
That's a great question. I have to be honest, I have not talked to the governor about this policy, so I don't know. My suspicion is that this is the type of program that Gov. Romney would think is essential when going abroad. You know, exactly as the caller said... | that's a great question i, have to be honest i. have not talked to the, governor about this, policy so i don't know my suspicion is that this is the type of. program that gov romney would, think is essential when going abroad you know exactly as the caller | That's a great question I have to be honest I have not talked, to the governor. about this policy so I don't know, My suspicion is that this is the type of program that Gov Romney would think is essential when going, abroad, You; know exactly as the caller | that's a great question. i have to be honest, i have not talked to the governor about this policy, so i don't know. my suspicion is that this is the type of program that gov. romney would think is essential when going abroad. you know, exactly as the caller said... |
Why would you think so? | why would you think | Why would you think | why would you think so? |
Because I know that the governor is someone who believes that America has a responsibility to the world. And like George Bush, I think there are - there's proof that money and programs are directly affecting people's lives. And so if the program can be found to be administered in a positive way, then I think the Americans, more times than not, will be there to support those programs. | because i know that the, governor is someone who believes that america has a responsibility to the world and like george bush i, think there are; - there's proof that money and programs are. directly affecting people's lives and so if the program can be found to be administered in a positive way then, i, think the americans more times than not will be. there to. support those | Because I know that; the governor is someone who. believes that America has a responsibility to the world And like George Bush I think there are - there's proof that, money and programs are directly affecting. people's lives And so if the program can, be found to be administered in a positive way then I think the Americans more times. than not. will be there to support those | because i know that the governor is someone who believes that america has a responsibility to the world. and like george bush, i think there are - there's proof that money and programs are directly affecting people's lives. and so if the program can be found to be administered in a positive way, then i think the americans, more times than not, will be there to support those programs. |
Do you think he would reinstitute the Mexico City Protocol banning contraception use or funding the programs that would... | do you think he would reinstitute the mexico city protocol banning contraception use or funding the programs that | Do you. think he would reinstitute the Mexico, City Protocol banning contraception use or funding the programs that | do you think he would reinstitute the mexico city protocol banning contraception use or funding the programs that would... |
And we're just going to have to cut the question there and give Richard Grenell 15 seconds to answer it. | and we're just going to have to cut the question there and give richard grenell 15 seconds to answer | And we're just, going to have to. cut the question there and. give Richard Grenell 15 seconds to answer | and we're just going to have to cut the question there and give richard grenell 15 seconds to answer it. |
Yeah. You know, again, I have not talked directly to the governor on this issue, so I wouldn't know the specific position. | yeah you know again i have not talked directly to the governor, on this issue so i wouldn't know the specific | Yeah You, know again I have, not talked directly to, the governor on this issue so I wouldn't know, the specific | yeah. you know, again, i have not talked directly to the governor on this issue, so i wouldn't know the specific position. |
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