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Yeah. Leslie, thanks very much for the call. | yeah leslie thanks, very. much for the | Yeah. Leslie thanks very much for the | yeah. leslie, thanks very much for the call. |
Certainly. Bye. | certainly | Certainly | certainly. bye. |
Bye-bye. Let's see of we can go now to Victoria(ph). Victoria is with us from Sebastopol in California. | bye-bye let's, see of, we can go now to victoria(ph). victoria is with, us from sebastopol in | Bye-bye Let's see of we can go now to Victoria(ph). Victoria is with us from Sebastopol in | bye-bye. let's see of we can go now to victoria(ph). victoria is with us from sebastopol in california. |
Hello. | hello. |
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Hi, Victoria. You're on the air. | hi victoria you're on the | Hi Victoria. You're on the, | hi, victoria. you're on the air. |
Hi. I have a few thoughts. I was getting kind of burned out listening to this. | hi, i have a few thoughts i was, getting kind. of burned out listening to | Hi. I have a few thoughts I was getting kind of burned out. listening to | hi. i have a few thoughts. i was getting kind of burned out listening to this. |
Sure. | sure. |
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I think it's fantastic and critical that we even still have the defender's office since people are, I think, often charged wrongfully as we're finding out from the DNA tests, et cetera. And so, in a way, I think, the resources for the poor are still, you know, woefully inadequate. But, I'm horrified by the phone calls you're getting and even by some of the opinions echoed by the speaker, the author… | i think it's fantastic and critical that we even still have the defender's office since people. are. i think often charged wrongfully. as we're finding out from the dna; tests et cetera and so in a way i think the resources for the poor are still you know woefully inadequate but i'm horrified by the phone calls, you're getting and even by some of the opinions, echoed by the speaker the | I think. it's, fantastic and critical that we even still have the defender's office since people, are I think often charged wrongfully as we're finding out from the DNA tests et. cetera And so in a way I think the resources for the poor are still you know woefully inadequate But I'm horrified by the phone calls you're, getting and even by some of the opinions echoed by the speaker the | i think it's fantastic and critical that we even still have the defender's office since people are, i think, often charged wrongfully as we're finding out from the dna tests, et cetera. and so, in a way, i think, the resources for the poor are still, you know, woefully inadequate. but, i'm horrified by the phone calls you're getting and even by some of the opinions echoed by the speaker, the author… |
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Where he says things like, oh, the person's not a monster, he's, you know, he could feel his veins, he could hear his - he could feel his breath, you know, as the guy was being sentenced. And I feel like listen, the person is a monster. You weren't there, you weren't the person who received the abuse. You aren't the person who slowly lost her breath as she was sitting in that, lying in the trunk of that car. You're not family member who has to shut your eyes every night to the horror of what was done to a family member. | where he says things like oh the person's not a monster. he's you. know he could feel his veins he could hear his, - he could feel his breath you know as the guy was being sentenced and i feel like listen the person is a, monster you weren't there you weren't the. person who received the abuse you aren't the person. who slowly lost her breath as she was sitting in that lying in the trunk of that car you're not family member. who, has to shut your eyes. every night to the horror of what was done, to a. family | Where he says things like oh the person's not a, monster he's. you know he could, feel his veins he could hear his - he could. feel; his breath you know as the guy was being sentenced And I. feel like listen the person is a monster, You weren't there you weren't the person who received the abuse You aren't the person who slowly lost her breath as, she was sitting in that lying in, the trunk of that car You're not family member who. has to; shut, your eyes every night to the horror of what was done to a family | where he says things like, oh, the person's not a monster, he's, you know, he could feel his veins, he could hear his - he could feel his breath, you know, as the guy was being sentenced. and i feel like listen, the person is a monster. you weren't there, you weren't the person who received the abuse. you aren't the person who slowly lost her breath as she was sitting in that, lying in the trunk of that car. you're not family member who has to shut your eyes every night to the horror of what was done to a family member. |
So, I really feel like, that people who are not victims, or not related to victims, have no right to sort of talk about how human the person who committed the crime, and only if it is indeed the person who omitted the crime, they have no right to talk about, oh, they shouldn't, their whole life shouldn't be judged by that. I beg your pardon. The whole life of the victim was determined and crippled by whoever perpetrated that terrible crime. And, you know, they have to pay, you know. | so i really feel like that, people who are not victims or not related. to victims have no right to sort of talk about; how human the person who committed the crime and only if it. is indeed, the person who omitted the crime they have no, right; to talk about oh, they, shouldn't their whole life shouldn't be judged by that i, beg your pardon the whole life of the. victim was determined and crippled. by whoever perpetrated that terrible crime and. you know they have to pay you | So I really feel like that people who are not victims or not related to victims have no right; to sort of talk about how. human the person who committed the crime and only if it is indeed the person who omitted the crime they, have no right, to, talk about oh they shouldn't their whole life shouldn't be judged by. that I beg, your pardon The whole life of the victim. was determined and crippled by. whoever perpetrated that terrible crime And you know they have to pay you | so, i really feel like, that people who are not victims, or not related to victims, have no right to sort of talk about how human the person who committed the crime, and only if it is indeed the person who omitted the crime, they have no right to talk about, oh, they shouldn't, their whole life shouldn't be judged by that. i beg your pardon. the whole life of the victim was determined and crippled by whoever perpetrated that terrible crime. and, you know, they have to pay, you know. |
Should they pay with their life? | should they pay with. their | Should they pay with their | should they pay with their life? |
At times. But that's where the criminal justice system comes in, that's (unintelligible)… | at. times but that's where the criminal justice system comes in that's | At times But that's where the criminal justice system comes in. that's | at times. but that's where the criminal justice system comes in, that's (unintelligible)… |
And if it were you being charged, wouldn't you want somebody saying, she's more than just what she did in that 20 minutes, those horrible 20 minutes where she made a terrible mistake? | and if it were you being, charged wouldn't you want somebody saying she's more. than just what she did in that 20 minutes. those, horrible 20 minutes where she made a terrible | And if it were you being charged wouldn't you want somebody saying she's more than just what she did in that 20 minutes those horrible 20 minutes where she made a terrible | and if it were you being charged, wouldn't you want somebody saying, she's more than just what she did in that 20 minutes, those horrible 20 minutes where she made a terrible mistake? |
The pain and grief and suffering will be endless for the victim, endless for their family and endless for anybody who went through that. Why shouldn't they, I mean, I don't believe in capital punishment anymore, because I've unfortunately (unintelligible) how corrupt the courts and the police are. So, in that regard, the idea that you have all these innocent people were discovering who were sentenced to death… | the pain and grief, and, suffering will be endless for the victim endless for their family and endless for anybody who went. through that why shouldn't they i mean i don't believe in capital punishment anymore because, i've unfortunately (unintelligible) how corrupt the courts and the police are so in that regard the idea that you have all, these innocent people were discovering who were. sentenced to. | The pain and, grief and suffering, will be endless for the victim endless for their family and endless for anybody who went through that Why shouldn't they I mean I don't believe in capital punishment anymore because I've unfortunately (unintelligible) how corrupt the courts and the police are So in that regard the idea that. you have all these innocent people were discovering who were sentenced to | the pain and grief and suffering will be endless for the victim, endless for their family and endless for anybody who went through that. why shouldn't they, i mean, i don't believe in capital punishment anymore, because i've unfortunately (unintelligible) how corrupt the courts and the police are. so, in that regard, the idea that you have all these innocent people were discovering who were sentenced to death… |
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…for that reason, I no longer believe in capital punishment. But if the courts were fair and the police were not corrupt, then I would believe in capital punishment. Yes. I wanted this to say something very strongly and I say this as a person who used to be a middleclass journalist and is now a disabled poor woman and I've seen how two-sided people can be, and how evil people can be and what abuse they can do. What I want to say is that, you know, the only people who really knew what Ted Bundy was like were his victims, do you know? | …for that reason i no longer believe in capital punishment but if the courts were fair and the police were not, corrupt then i would. believe in capital punishment yes, i wanted this to say something very strongly and i say this as a person who used to be, a middleclass. journalist. and is now, a disabled poor woman and i've seen how, two-sided people can be and how evil people can be and what abuse they can do what i want to say is that you know the only people who really knew what ted bundy was like were his victims do you | …for that reason I no longer believe in capital, punishment But if the courts were fair and the. police were not corrupt then I would believe in capital, punishment Yes I wanted this to say something very strongly and I, say this as a person who used to be a middleclass journalist and; is. now a disabled poor woman and I've seen how two-sided people can be and how evil people can be and what abuse they can do What I want to say is that you know the only people who really knew what Ted Bundy was like were his victims do you | …for that reason, i no longer believe in capital punishment. but if the courts were fair and the police were not corrupt, then i would believe in capital punishment. yes. i wanted this to say something very strongly and i say this as a person who used to be a middleclass journalist and is now a disabled poor woman and i've seen how two-sided people can be, and how evil people can be and what abuse they can do. what i want to say is that, you know, the only people who really knew what ted bundy was like were his victims, do you know? |
So when you talk about the DA having feelings for the defendant and, you know, only if the defendant really was - the defendant really were the person, I'm saying to you, look, you weren't there, you didn't see the other face of that person when he was committing that horrible crime. | so when you talk. about the da; having feelings for the defendant and you know only if the. defendant really was - the defendant really were the person i'm saying to you look you weren't there you didn't see the other face of that person when he was committing that horrible | So when you talk about the DA having feelings for the defendant and you know only if the defendant really was - the defendant really, were the person. I'm saying to you look you weren't there, you didn't see the other face of that person when. he. was, committing that horrible | so when you talk about the da having feelings for the defendant and, you know, only if the defendant really was - the defendant really were the person, i'm saying to you, look, you weren't there, you didn't see the other face of that person when he was committing that horrible crime. |
Victoria, thanks very much for the call. We appreciate it. | victoria thanks very much for the call we appreciate | Victoria thanks very much for the call We appreciate | victoria, thanks very much for the call. we appreciate it. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
We're talking with Kevin Davis about "Defending the Damned: Inside Chicago's Cook County Public Defender's Office." You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | we're talking with kevin davis about "defending the damned: inside chicago's cook county public defender's office" you're, listening to talk of the nation from npr, | We're talking with Kevin Davis about; "Defending the Damned: Inside Chicago's Cook County Public Defender's Office" You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | we're talking with kevin davis about "defending the damned: inside chicago's cook county public defender's office." you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. |
And getting back to Victoria's point, Kevin, you did talk with the wife of the officer who was killed, Shawn Lee, about - and there were any number of appeals and various twists to this case that brought her back into the courtroom various times. And the agony that she went through and you're talking about how even the cops who didn't like it, his partner, who didn't like it understood it, I'm not sure she understood it. | and getting back to victoria's point kevin, you did talk with the wife, of the officer who was killed shawn lee about - and there were any number of appeals and various twists, to this case that brought her back into the courtroom various times and the agony that she went through and you're talking about how even the cops who. didn't like it his partner who didn't, like it understood it i'm not sure she, understood | And getting back to Victoria's point Kevin you did talk with the wife of the officer who was killed Shawn Lee about - and there were any number of, appeals and various twists to this case that brought her back into the courtroom various; times And the agony. that she went through and you're talking about how even. the, cops, who didn't like it his partner who didn't like it understood it I'm not sure she understood | and getting back to victoria's point, kevin, you did talk with the wife of the officer who was killed, shawn lee, about - and there were any number of appeals and various twists to this case that brought her back into the courtroom various times. and the agony that she went through and you're talking about how even the cops who didn't like it, his partner, who didn't like it understood it, i'm not sure she understood it. |
No, she didn't. And this is a woman who was profoundly hurt. She has a daughter with her late husband and I watched her in court everyday, because I was there during the trial. And there were times where she had to get up and walk out. I saw a sadness in her eyes that I haven't seen in a lot of people. | no she didn't and this is a woman who; was profoundly hurt she has a daughter with her late husband and i watched her, in court everyday because i was there during the trial and there were times where she had to, get, up and walk out i saw a sadness in her eyes that i haven't seen in a lot of | No she didn't And this is a woman. who was profoundly hurt She has. a daughter with her late husband and I watched her in court everyday because I was there during the trial And there were, times where she had, to get, up and walk out I saw a sadness in her, eyes. that I haven't seen. in a lot of | no, she didn't. and this is a woman who was profoundly hurt. she has a daughter with her late husband and i watched her in court everyday, because i was there during the trial. and there were times where she had to get up and walk out. i saw a sadness in her eyes that i haven't seen in a lot of people. |
To her, Aloysius Oliver, the man accused of killing her husband was a monster. And she wanted to see justice done. And we spoke later about this and Shawn told me that she had really been opposed to the death penalty for most of her life. And until this moment, when her husband's life was taken away, she felt that she could support capital punishment. And she wasn't very proud of that. She really struggled, I think, with that idea and didn't feel good about this change in her opinion about capital punishment. | to her aloysius oliver the man accused of killing her husband was a monster and she wanted to see justice done and we spoke, later, about this and shawn told me that she had really been opposed to the. death penalty, for most of her life and until this moment when her husband's life was taken away, she felt that she could support capital punishment and she, wasn't, very proud of that she really struggled i think with that idea and didn't feel good about this change in her opinion about capital | To her Aloysius Oliver the man accused of killing her husband was a monster And she wanted to see justice done And we spoke later. about this and Shawn told; me that she. had really, been opposed to the death penalty for most. of her life And until this moment when her husband's life was, taken away she felt that she could support. capital punishment And she wasn't very proud of that She really struggled, I think, with that idea and didn't feel good about this, change in her opinion about capital | to her, aloysius oliver, the man accused of killing her husband was a monster. and she wanted to see justice done. and we spoke later about this and shawn told me that she had really been opposed to the death penalty for most of her life. and until this moment, when her husband's life was taken away, she felt that she could support capital punishment. and she wasn't very proud of that. she really struggled, i think, with that idea and didn't feel good about this change in her opinion about capital punishment. |
Let's see if we can get Tony(ph) on the line. Tony is calling us from Connecticut. | let's see if we can get tony(ph) on the line tony is calling us from | Let's see if we can get Tony(ph) on the line Tony is calling us, from | let's see if we can get tony(ph) on the line. tony is calling us from connecticut. |
Good afternoon. | good | Good | good afternoon. |
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I've got to tell you, I have worked both sides of the defense table, both as private counsel and as a special public defender in Connecticut. I had a case, you know, a couple of times, to have a client who would a had at one point, the money to hire private counsel, and later was appointed to me as a special public defender. The attitude from your clients is often a direct result of exactly how much you cost them. | i've got to tell you i have worked both sides of the defense, table both as private counsel and as a special public; defender, in connecticut i had a case you know a couple of times to have a, client who would a had at one point the money to, hire private counsel and later was appointed to me as a; special public defender the attitude from your. clients is often a direct result of exactly how much you cost | I've got to tell you I. have worked both sides of the defense table both as private counsel and as, a special public. defender in Connecticut I had, a case you, know a couple of times to have a client who would a had at one point, the money to hire; private counsel and later was appointed to me as a special public defender The attitude, from your clients is often a direct result of exactly how much you cost | i've got to tell you, i have worked both sides of the defense table, both as private counsel and as a special public defender in connecticut. i had a case, you know, a couple of times, to have a client who would a had at one point, the money to hire private counsel, and later was appointed to me as a special public defender. the attitude from your clients is often a direct result of exactly how much you cost them. |
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Because you do the exact same quality of work to the best of your ability, put the same quality of effort into defending the individual, and public defenders quite often hear, boy, next time I get pinched, I hope got enough money to hire me a real lawyer. | because you do the exact same quality of work to the best of your ability put the same quality of effort into. defending the individual and public defenders quite often hear; boy next time, i get pinched i hope got enough money. to hire me a real | Because you do the exact same quality of work to the best of your ability put the same quality of. effort into defending the individual and public, defenders quite often hear boy next time I get pinched I hope, got enough money to, hire me a real | because you do the exact same quality of work to the best of your ability, put the same quality of effort into defending the individual, and public defenders quite often hear, boy, next time i get pinched, i hope got enough money to hire me a real lawyer. |
Absolutely. And it's a thankless job. And I think that's what fascinated me so much about these public defenders is how thankless that job can be sometimes. Oftentimes, there are cases in which a client has hired a private attorney and has spent all their money and the case gets kicked over to the public defender's office. So, that can be the case. | absolutely and it's a thankless job and i, think that's what fascinated me so much about these public defenders is how thankless, that job can be, sometimes oftentimes there are cases in, which a client has hired a private attorney and has spent all their money and the case; gets kicked over to the. public defender's office so that can be the | Absolutely And it's a thankless job And I think that's what fascinated me so much about these. public defenders is how thankless. that. job can be sometimes Oftentimes there are cases. in, which a client has hired a private attorney and has. spent all, their money and the case gets kicked over to the public defender's office, So that can be the | absolutely. and it's a thankless job. and i think that's what fascinated me so much about these public defenders is how thankless that job can be sometimes. oftentimes, there are cases in which a client has hired a private attorney and has spent all their money and the case gets kicked over to the public defender's office. so, that can be the case. |
And the vigor in which somebody like Marijane Placek, who you write about so much, that she can rebound from disappointment after disappointment and savor the few victories she has and move on, and giving so much to every client, it's remarkable. | and the vigor in which somebody like marijane placek who you write. about so. much that she; can rebound from disappointment; after disappointment and savor the few victories she has and move on and, giving so much to every, client it's | And the vigor in which somebody like Marijane Placek who you write about so much that she can; rebound from disappointment after disappointment and savor the few victories she has and move on and giving so much to every client. it's | and the vigor in which somebody like marijane placek, who you write about so much, that she can rebound from disappointment after disappointment and savor the few victories she has and move on, and giving so much to every client, it's remarkable. |
They do savor it. Just back to the point about the public defenders, one of them joked, you know, that if you're unlucky enough to be arrested for murder in Chicago, you better hope that you're poor, because you're going to get excellent representation from the murder task force. Marijane and her colleagues, over in the murder task force, they do rebound everyday. They go in there. I was really impressed with how vigorous they do fight for these clients. And these are clients, many of them who are very unlikable, many of them who are guilty of the crimes for which they are charged. | they do savor it just back to the point about the public defenders one, of them joked you know that if you're unlucky, enough to be arrested for murder in chicago you better hope that you're poor because you're going to get excellent representation from the murder task force marijane, and her colleagues over in the murder task force they do rebound everyday they go in there i was really impressed, with how vigorous they do fight for these clients and. these, are. clients many of them who, are very unlikable many of them who are guilty of the crimes, for which they are | They do. savor it Just back to the point about the public defenders one of them joked you know that if you're unlucky enough to be arrested for murder, in Chicago you better hope that you're poor because you're going to get, excellent representation from the murder task force Marijane and her colleagues over in the murder, task force they do rebound everyday They, go in there I was really impressed with how vigorous they do. fight, for these clients And these. are clients many of them who are very unlikable many of them who are guilty of the crimes for; which they are | they do savor it. just back to the point about the public defenders, one of them joked, you know, that if you're unlucky enough to be arrested for murder in chicago, you better hope that you're poor, because you're going to get excellent representation from the murder task force. marijane and her colleagues, over in the murder task force, they do rebound everyday. they go in there. i was really impressed with how vigorous they do fight for these clients. and these are clients, many of them who are very unlikable, many of them who are guilty of the crimes for which they are charged. |
In the task force, their main job is to do one thing first, and that's in a capital, potential capital case, that's to save their client's life. That's a victory, that's a win in one sense. If you get a client 60 years instead of the death penalty, you've won something and you've won something big. | in the task force their main job is. to do. one thing first and that's in a capital potential capital case that's to save their client's life that's a victory that's a win in one sense if you get a. client 60 years instead of the, death penalty you've won something and you've won, something | In. the task force their main job is to do one thing first, and that's in a capital potential capital case that's to save, their client's life That's. a victory that's a win in one sense If you, get a client 60 years instead of the death penalty, you've won something and you've won something | in the task force, their main job is to do one thing first, and that's in a capital, potential capital case, that's to save their client's life. that's a victory, that's a win in one sense. if you get a client 60 years instead of the death penalty, you've won something and you've won something big. |
Tony, thanks very much for the call. We appreciate it. | tony thanks very much for the call we appreciate | Tony; thanks. very much for the call We appreciate | tony, thanks very much for the call. we appreciate it. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
And Kevin Davis, thanks very much for joining us today. | and kevin davis thanks very much for joining us | And Kevin Davis thanks very much for joining us | and kevin davis, thanks very much for joining us today. |
Thanks for having me, Neal. | thanks for having me, | Thanks for having me | thanks for having me, neal. |
Kevin Davis, his new book is "Defending the Damned: Inside Chicago's Cook County Public Defender's Office," and he joined us from our bureau in Chicago. | kevin davis, his new book is "defending the damned: inside chicago's cook county public defender's office" and he joined us, from our bureau in | Kevin Davis his new book is "Defending the Damned: Inside Chicago's Cook County Public Defender's Office" and he joined us from our bureau in | kevin davis, his new book is "defending the damned: inside chicago's cook county public defender's office," and he joined us from our bureau in chicago. |
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Coming up, New York City's Mayor, Michael Bloomberg, fuels a guessing game with an announcement that he is not a candidate for President. Another New Yorker, Hillary Clinton, spoofs "The Sopranos" and announced her new campaign theme song. And President Bush follows through on another promised veto. The political junkie joins us next. 800-989-8255. I'm Neal Conan. It's TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | coming up new, york city's mayor michael bloomberg, fuels. a, guessing game with an announcement that he is; not a candidate for president another new yorker, hillary clinton spoofs "the sopranos" and announced her new campaign theme song, and. president bush follows through on another promised veto the, political junkie joins us next 800-989-8255. i'm neal conan it's talk of the nation from npr; | Coming up New York City's Mayor Michael Bloomberg fuels a guessing game with an announcement that he is. not a. candidate for President Another New Yorker. Hillary Clinton. spoofs "The Sopranos" and announced her new campaign theme song And President Bush follows through on another promised veto The political junkie. joins us next 800-989-8255. I'm Neal Conan It's TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | coming up, new york city's mayor, michael bloomberg, fuels a guessing game with an announcement that he is not a candidate for president. another new yorker, hillary clinton, spoofs "the sopranos" and announced her new campaign theme song. and president bush follows through on another promised veto. the political junkie joins us next. 800-989-8255. i'm neal conan. it's talk of the nation from npr news. |
If this latest Republican health care bill fails, the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, has said he would work with Democrats on a health care bill. One Democrat who says he is willing to do that is Senator Tom Carper of Delaware, and he's with us now. Welcome to the show. | if this latest, republican health care bill fails the, senate majority leader mitch. mcconnell has said he would work with democrats, on, a health care bill one democrat who says he is willing to do that is senator tom carper of delaware and he's. with us now welcome, to the | If this, latest Republican health care bill. fails the Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell has said he would work with Democrats on a health care, bill One Democrat who says he is; willing, to do that is Senator Tom Carper of Delaware and, he's with us now Welcome to the | if this latest republican health care bill fails, the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell, has said he would work with democrats on a health care bill. one democrat who says he is willing to do that is senator tom carper of delaware, and he's with us now. welcome to the show. |
Kelly, it's great to be on. Thanks so much. | kelly it's great to be on thanks so | Kelly it's great to; be on Thanks so | kelly, it's great to be on. thanks so much. |
So when you look at the United States of America right now and the health care that is available to people, particularly under the Affordable Care Act and the health care exchanges, do you see something that is working, or do you see something needs to be fixed? | so when you look at the united states of america right, now and the, health care that. is available to people particularly under the affordable care, act, and the, health care. exchanges do you see something that is working or do you see something. needs to be. | So when you look at the United States of America right now, and the health care that is available to people particularly under the Affordable Care Act and the health care exchanges do, you see something that is working or do you, see something needs to be | so when you look at the united states of america right now and the health care that is available to people, particularly under the affordable care act and the health care exchanges, do you see something that is working, or do you see something needs to be fixed? |
This is a work in progress. And if you go back seven, eight years ago when we took up the Affordable Care Act, at that time, we were spending 18 percent of GDP for health care in this country. We - the Japanese were spending eight percent. They were getting better results. And at night in this country then, we have 40 million people going to bed in 2009 without any coverage. And in Japan, they cover everybody. | this. is a work in progress and if you go back seven eight years ago when. we took up the. affordable. care act at. that time we were; spending 18 percent of gdp for health care in this country we - the japanese were spending eight. percent they were getting better results and at night in this country then we have 40 million people going to bed. in 2009 without any coverage and. in japan they cover | This is a. work in progress And if you go back seven eight years ago when we took up the Affordable Care Act at; that time we were spending 18 percent of GDP for health care in this country We - the Japanese were spending eight percent They were getting, better results And at night in this country then we have 40 million people going to bed in 2009 without. any coverage, And in Japan. they cover | this is a work in progress. and if you go back seven, eight years ago when we took up the affordable care act, at that time, we were spending 18 percent of gdp for health care in this country. we - the japanese were spending eight percent. they were getting better results. and at night in this country then, we have 40 million people going to bed in 2009 without any coverage. and in japan, they cover everybody. |
So they can't be that smart in Japan. We can't be that dumb. And so we tried to do something about it. And we'd have ended up I think with an even better plan if Republicans had felt comfortable in fully engaging with us. And they did not. | so they can't be that smart in japan we can't be, that, dumb and so we tried to. do something about it and we'd have ended up i think with an, even better, plan, if, republicans had, felt comfortable in fully. engaging with us and they did | So they can't be; that. smart in Japan We can't be that dumb And so we tried to do something, about it And we'd have ended up I think with an even better plan if Republicans had felt. comfortable in fully engaging with us And they did | so they can't be that smart in japan. we can't be that dumb. and so we tried to do something about it. and we'd have ended up i think with an even better plan if republicans had felt comfortable in fully engaging with us. and they did not. |
Do you think it's working right now? | do you, think it's working right | Do you think it's working right | do you think it's working right now? |
I think parts of it are. All the focus is on the exchange. And the reason why the exchanges which cover about five, six, seven percent of the people - the reason why the prices have gone up there is because of the uncertainty fostered in no small part by the current administration. | i. think parts of it are all the focus is on, the exchange and the reason, why the exchanges which cover about five six seven percent of the people. - the reason why the prices have, gone up. there is because of the uncertainty. fostered, in no small part by the current | I think parts. of it are, All the focus is on the, exchange And the reason why the exchanges, which cover about five six. seven, percent. of the people - the reason why, the prices have gone up, there is because. of the uncertainty fostered in no small part by the. current | i think parts of it are. all the focus is on the exchange. and the reason why the exchanges which cover about five, six, seven percent of the people - the reason why the prices have gone up there is because of the uncertainty fostered in no small part by the current administration. |
The first thing we should do I think is hit the pause button to stabilize the exchanges. That would be a great first step - and then after that, as Democrats and Republicans working together, do three things. One, fix the things in the Affordable Care Act that need to be fixed. Two, retain the stuff that ought to be retained. And three are some things that ought to be dropped. Let's drop them. But we ought to do it not as Democrats, not as Republicans. This is something we ought to do together. | the first thing we should; do i think is hit the pause button to stabilize the exchanges that would be a great first step - and then after that as democrats and republicans working together do three things one fix the things in, the affordable; care act that need, to be fixed two, retain the stuff that ought to be retained and three are some things that ought to be dropped let's drop them but we ought to do it not as, democrats not as republicans this is something we ought. to do; | The first thing we should do I think is hit the pause button to, stabilize the exchanges That would be a, great first step - and then after that as Democrats and Republicans working together do three things One fix the things in the Affordable Care Act that need to be fixed Two. retain the stuff that ought to be retained And three are some things that ought to be dropped Let's drop, them. But; we ought to do it not as Democrats not as Republicans, This is something we ought to do | the first thing we should do i think is hit the pause button to stabilize the exchanges. that would be a great first step - and then after that, as democrats and republicans working together, do three things. one, fix the things in the affordable care act that need to be fixed. two, retain the stuff that ought to be retained. and three are some things that ought to be dropped. let's drop them. but we ought to do it not as democrats, not as republicans. this is something we ought to do together. |
What do you think about the bill that was put forward by your Republican colleagues today? Is there anything that you like in it, anything you think is constructive? | what. do you think about the bill that was put forward by your republican colleagues today? is there anything, that you like in it, anything you think is | What, do you think about the bill that was put forward by your Republican colleagues today? Is there anything that you. like in it, anything you think is, | what do you think about the bill that was put forward by your republican colleagues today? is there anything that you like in it, anything you think is constructive? |
Well, they've just introduced it. I'll be honest with you. I've not seen it. But I would say the first thing we ought to do is stabilize the exchanges. And then let's - people who have good ideas - let's bring them forward. Let's have hearings. Let's have all kinds of input and do it in the open. | well they've just introduced it i'll be honest with you i've not seen it but i would say the first thing we ought to do, is stabilize the exchanges and then let's - people who have good ideas - let's bring them forward let's have hearings let's have. all kinds of, input and do it in, the | Well they've just introduced it I'll, be honest with you I've not seen it But I would say the, first thing we ought to do is stabilize the exchanges And then let's - people who have good ideas - let's bring them forward Let's have hearings Let's have all kinds of input. and do it; in the | well, they've just introduced it. i'll be honest with you. i've not seen it. but i would say the first thing we ought to do is stabilize the exchanges. and then let's - people who have good ideas - let's bring them forward. let's have hearings. let's have all kinds of input and do it in the open. |
You know, as a Democrat, you are definitely on the sidelines of this debate right now. How likely is it, do you think, that this will become a bipartisan effort and that, you know, Democrats will have a voice in this conversation? | you know as a democrat you are definitely on the sidelines of this debate right now how likely. is it do you think that, this will become a bipartisan effort, and that you know democrats will have a voice in this | You know as a Democrat you are definitely on, the sidelines of this. debate, right now How likely is it do you think that this will; become a bipartisan effort and that you know Democrats will have a voice in this. | you know, as a democrat, you are definitely on the sidelines of this debate right now. how likely is it, do you think, that this will become a bipartisan effort and that, you know, democrats will have a voice in this conversation? |
Yeah. I think the voices that we've heard around the country, in Delaware and I think in probably 49 other states - where people have said, look; we need to provide coverage for people. We need to try to find a way to do it that's fiscally responsible. And there's a Kaiser-Permanente poll out I think earlier this week, and it said over 70 percent of the people polled want us to work together. And if the folks who feel that way continue to talk to the senators, continue to talk to the U.S. representatives, I think we'll hit the pause button. And I think they will fix and stabilize the exchanges. And then we'll turn to those other three options that I offered. One, fix what needs to be fixed in the ACA. You know, retain that which needs to be retained. And the provisions that can be dropped, drop them. I think most people say, well, that's just common sense. I think that's what we should do. | yeah i think the voices that we've heard around the country in delaware and i think in probably 49 other states - where people have said look. we need to provide coverage for people we need to. try to, find a way to, do it that's. fiscally. responsible and there's a kaiser-permanente poll out i think earlier this week and it said over 70 percent of the. people polled want us to work together and if, the, folks who feel that way continue to talk to the senators continue, to talk to the u.s representatives i think we'll hit the pause button and i think, they will fix and stabilize the exchanges and then we'll turn to those other three, options that i. offered. one fix what. needs. to be fixed in the aca you know retain that which needs to be retained and the, provisions that can be dropped drop them i think most people say well that's just common sense i think that's what we should | Yeah I think the voices that we've heard around the country in Delaware and I think in probably 49 other states. - where people have said look we need to provide coverage for people We need to try, to find a way to do it that's fiscally responsible And there's a Kaiser-Permanente poll; out I think earlier this week and it. said over 70 percent of the people polled want us to work together And if, the folks who feel that way continue to talk to the. senators continue to talk. to the U.S representatives I think, we'll, hit the pause button, And I think they will fix and stabilize the exchanges And then we'll turn to those other, three options that I offered One fix what needs; to be fixed in the ACA You know retain that which needs to. be retained And the provisions that can be dropped drop them I think most people say well that's just common sense I think that's, what we should | yeah. i think the voices that we've heard around the country, in delaware and i think in probably 49 other states - where people have said, look; we need to provide coverage for people. we need to try to find a way to do it that's fiscally responsible. and there's a kaiser-permanente poll out i think earlier this week, and it said over 70 percent of the people polled want us to work together. and if the folks who feel that way continue to talk to the senators, continue to talk to the u.s. representatives, i think we'll hit the pause button. and i think they will fix and stabilize the exchanges. and then we'll turn to those other three options that i offered. one, fix what needs to be fixed in the aca. you know, retain that which needs to be retained. and the provisions that can be dropped, drop them. i think most people say, well, that's just common sense. i think that's what we should do. |
Democratic Senator Tom Carper of Delaware, thank you so much. | democratic. senator tom carper, of delaware thank. you so | Democratic Senator Tom. Carper of Delaware thank you so | democratic senator tom carper of delaware, thank you so much. |
Thanks so much, Kelly. Take care. | thanks, so much kelly take | Thanks so much Kelly Take; | thanks so much, kelly. take care. |
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John Horrigan is the associate director for research at the Pew Internet and American Life Project in Washington. He joins us today by phone. Welcome to the program, John. | john horrigan is the associate director for research at the pew internet and american life project, in washington he joins us today by phone welcome to the program | John Horrigan is. the associate director for research at the, Pew Internet and American Life Project in Washington He joins us today by, phone Welcome to the program | john horrigan is the associate director for research at the pew internet and american life project in washington. he joins us today by phone. welcome to the program, john. |
Nice to be with you. | nice to be with | Nice to; be with | nice to be with you. |
Thank you. Larry Peterson is professor and chair of the Department of Computer Science at Princeton University in Princeton, New Jersey. He's the director of the PlanetLab Consortium, an experiment into new networking technologies. He joins us from the studios on the Princeton campus. Welcome to SCIENCE FRIDAY. | thank you; larry peterson, is professor and chair of the department of computer science at princeton, university in princeton new jersey he's, the director of the planetlab consortium an experiment into, new networking technologies he joins us, from the studios on the princeton campus welcome. to science. | Thank you Larry Peterson is professor and, chair of the Department of Computer Science at Princeton University in. Princeton. New; Jersey He's the director of the PlanetLab Consortium an experiment into new. networking technologies He joins us from the studios, on the Princeton campus Welcome to SCIENCE | thank you. larry peterson is professor and chair of the department of computer science at princeton university in princeton, new jersey. he's the director of the planetlab consortium, an experiment into new networking technologies. he joins us from the studios on the princeton campus. welcome to science friday. |
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Let me ask you all, gentlemen. Let me ask you first, Larry. Ten years from now, what will the Internet look like? Take open that crystal ball for us. Can you look into it and tell us what you think the Internet will look like, what it should look like? | let me ask you all gentlemen let me ask, you first larry ten years from, now what will the internet look like? take, open that crystal ball for us can, you look, into it and tell us what you think the internet will look like what it should look | Let me ask you all gentlemen Let me ask you first Larry Ten years from now what will the, Internet look like? Take open that crystal ball for us Can you look into it and tell us what you think the Internet will look like what it should look | let me ask you all, gentlemen. let me ask you first, larry. ten years from now, what will the internet look like? take open that crystal ball for us. can you look into it and tell us what you think the internet will look like, what it should look like? |
Well, what I hope it looks like is it's a place that you can securely do all sorts of online transactions. I think that's something that people are really worried about today, between the various fishing and hijacking of connections and so on, that we may, in fact, be reaching a point that the average user loses trust in the Internet, and that's clearly something we have to pay attention to over the next 10 years. | well what i hope it looks like is it's a. place that you, can securely do all sorts of online, transactions i think that's something that people are really, worried about today between the various fishing and hijacking of connections and. so on that we may in. fact be reaching a point that the average user loses trust in the internet and that's clearly something we have, to pay attention. to over the next | Well what I hope it looks like is it's a place that you can securely do all sorts. of, online transactions I think that's something that people are really worried, about today between the various, fishing and, hijacking of connections and, so on that we may; in, fact, be reaching a point that the average user loses trust in the Internet and that's clearly something we have to pay attention to over the next | well, what i hope it looks like is it's a place that you can securely do all sorts of online transactions. i think that's something that people are really worried about today, between the various fishing and hijacking of connections and so on, that we may, in fact, be reaching a point that the average user loses trust in the internet, and that's clearly something we have to pay attention to over the next 10 years. |
Mm hmm. I know Phil Zimmermann, who's one of the gurus of security on the Internet, has been talking about the hijacking of voice material, people talking to each other now. That could be a problem. | mm hmm i know, phil zimmermann who's one; of the gurus of security on the internet has been talking about the. hijacking of voice material, people talking to each other now that could be a. | Mm hmm I know Phil Zimmermann who's one of the gurus of security on the Internet has been talking about, the hijacking of voice material people talking to each other now That could be a | mm hmm. i know phil zimmermann, who's one of the gurus of security on the internet, has been talking about the hijacking of voice material, people talking to each other now. that could be a problem. |
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This is a widespread problem. It's not just from the obvious, that you're not securely logging into your bank, but online content is under attack all the time from denial-of-service attacks and so on, so it's clearly an issue that we have to start paying attention to. | this is a widespread problem it's not just from the obvious that you're not securely logging into your bank but; online content is under attack all the time from denial-of-service attacks and so on so it's clearly an issue that we have to, start paying attention | This is a; widespread problem It's not just from the obvious that you're not securely logging into your bank but online content is under attack all the time from. denial-of-service attacks and so on so it's clearly an issue that we have to start paying attention | this is a widespread problem. it's not just from the obvious, that you're not securely logging into your bank, but online content is under attack all the time from denial-of-service attacks and so on, so it's clearly an issue that we have to start paying attention to. |
Mm hmm. Tim Wu, what do you think the Internet could and should look like 10 years from now? | mm hmm tim wu what do you think the, internet could and should look like 10 years from | Mm hmm Tim Wu what do you think the Internet could and should look like 10 years from | mm hmm. tim wu, what do you think the internet could and should look like 10 years from now? |
Well, it could look one of many ways. I think there's a basic debate that you mentioned earlier between something that's a much more centralized network than we have today, something more like cable television. And another vision, one which I think is better, which is rather like the Internet is today, just faster and capable of more things. | well it; could look one of many ways, i think there's a; basic, debate that you mentioned earlier between something that's a much more centralized network than we, have today something more like cable television and, another vision one which i. think, is better which is rather like the internet is today just faster and, capable of more | Well it could look one of many ways I think there's a basic debate that you mentioned earlier between something that's. a much more centralized network than we, have today something more like cable television And another vision one which I think is better which; is rather like, the Internet is today just faster and, capable of, more | well, it could look one of many ways. i think there's a basic debate that you mentioned earlier between something that's a much more centralized network than we have today, something more like cable television. and another vision, one which i think is better, which is rather like the internet is today, just faster and capable of more things. |
The Internet today is very decentralized. People come up with stuff, whether it's on YouTube or whether it's eBay or whether it's, you know, people's blogs, and I hope that it retains its character as a decentralized medium that basically everyone uses, that just has a lot more bandwidth, is a lot faster, and works a lot better. | the internet today is very decentralized people come up with stuff whether it's on youtube or whether it's ebay or whether, it's you know people's blogs and i hope that; it retains its character as a decentralized medium that basically, everyone uses that just has. a lot more bandwidth is a lot faster and works a lot, | The Internet today. is very decentralized People come up with. stuff whether it's on YouTube or whether it's eBay or whether it's you, know people's blogs and I hope that it retains its character as a decentralized medium that basically everyone uses that just has; a lot more bandwidth is a lot faster and works a lot | the internet today is very decentralized. people come up with stuff, whether it's on youtube or whether it's ebay or whether it's, you know, people's blogs, and i hope that it retains its character as a decentralized medium that basically everyone uses, that just has a lot more bandwidth, is a lot faster, and works a lot better. |
Do we have to build a new backbone to the Internet? | do we have. to build a new backbone to. the | Do we have to build a new backbone to the | do we have to build a new backbone to the internet? |
Do we have to build a new backbone? You know, I mean, the new - actually backbone, if you're interested in the technical side, backbone isn't where the problem is. There's a huge amount of capacity. Back in the 1990s, companies, even like Enron, built massive amounts of capacity into the backbone. | do we have to build a new backbone? you know i mean the new - actually backbone, if you're interested in the technical; side backbone isn't where; the, problem is; there's a huge amount of capacity back in the 1990s companies even like enron built massive amounts of capacity into the | Do we have to build a new backbone? You know I mean the new - actually backbone if you're interested in the technical side backbone isn't where the problem is There's a huge amount of, capacity. Back in the 1990s companies, even like Enron built massive, amounts of capacity into the | do we have to build a new backbone? you know, i mean, the new - actually backbone, if you're interested in the technical side, backbone isn't where the problem is. there's a huge amount of capacity. back in the 1990s, companies, even like enron, built massive amounts of capacity into the backbone. |
The real bottleneck, and this has been true since 1990, since actually about 1913, is the pipes and the wire that goes to people's homes, and the challenge over the next decade is whether we will really get the same kind of speeds on the backbone in the last mile, which is to say right to people's homes. | the real bottleneck. and this has been true since, 1990, since. actually about 1913, is the pipes and the wire that goes to, people's homes and the challenge over the next decade is whether we will really get the same kind of speeds on the backbone in the last mile which is to say right to people's | The real, bottleneck and. this has been. true since 1990, since actually about 1913, is the pipes and the wire that goes to people's homes and the challenge. over the next decade is whether we will really get, the same kind of, speeds on the backbone in the last mile which; is to say right to people's | the real bottleneck, and this has been true since 1990, since actually about 1913, is the pipes and the wire that goes to people's homes, and the challenge over the next decade is whether we will really get the same kind of speeds on the backbone in the last mile, which is to say right to people's homes. |
Right now, we have the same networks, the cable and the telephone networks, that we've had since the 1960s. You know, they've been updated a bit, but basically it's the same old stuff, and that's the big question over the next 10 years. | right now we. have the; same networks the cable and the, telephone networks that we've had since the 1960s you. know they've been, updated a bit but basically it's the same old stuff and that's; the big question over the next | Right now we have the same networks the cable and the telephone networks that we've had since the 1960s You know they've been updated a bit but basically it's the same. old stuff and that's, the big question over the next | right now, we have the same networks, the cable and the telephone networks, that we've had since the 1960s. you know, they've been updated a bit, but basically it's the same old stuff, and that's the big question over the next 10 years. |
And I would add that there are great incentives to upgrade the network simple because that's what users want. When we look at our surveys at the Pew Internet Project, most people who are signing onto broadband - and now today 42 percent of Americans have high-speed connections at home - sign on for the speed. They don't tell us that the price fell and I decided to switch. The longer people stay online, the more they want to do online, and their demand for speed increases as they get more experience on the Internet. | and i would add that there are great incentives to upgrade the network simple because that's what users want when we look at our surveys at the pew internet project most people who are signing onto broadband - and now today 42 percent of americans have high-speed connections at home, - sign on for the speed they. don't tell us that the price fell and i decided to switch the longer people stay online the more they want to do online and their demand for, speed increases as they get more experience on the | And I would add that there are great incentives to upgrade the network simple because that's what users want When we look at our surveys at the Pew Internet Project most people who are signing onto broadband - and, now today 42 percent of Americans have high-speed connections at home - sign. on for. the speed. They don't. tell us; that the price fell and I decided to switch The longer people stay online the more they want to do online and their demand for speed increases as they get more experience on; the | and i would add that there are great incentives to upgrade the network simple because that's what users want. when we look at our surveys at the pew internet project, most people who are signing onto broadband - and now today 42 percent of americans have high-speed connections at home - sign on for the speed. they don't tell us that the price fell and i decided to switch. the longer people stay online, the more they want to do online, and their demand for speed increases as they get more experience on the internet. |
Are they gonna forget about speed after a while and want the services more? I mean, will speed just become part of the product, for example, want the ability to watch television or stream video or do these kinds of high bandwidth things that they don't normally do now and that they're seeing other people doing, and, you know, they're, we're beginning to download old TV shows that we missed the night before on the Internet. So is that kind of thing they're gonna worry more about than the speed? | are they gonna forget about speed after a while and. want the services more? i mean will speed just become part of the product for example want the ability to watch television or stream. video or do these kinds. of high bandwidth things that they don't normally do now and that they're seeing other people doing and, you know they're we're, beginning to download old tv shows that we missed the night before on the internet so is that kind. of thing they're gonna. worry more about than the | Are they gonna forget about speed after a while and want the services more? I mean will speed just become. part of the product for example want the ability to watch television, or stream video or do these, kinds of high bandwidth things that they don't normally do, now and that they're seeing other people doing and you know they're we're beginning to download old TV shows; that we missed the night. before on the Internet So is that kind of thing they're gonna worry more about than the | are they gonna forget about speed after a while and want the services more? i mean, will speed just become part of the product, for example, want the ability to watch television or stream video or do these kinds of high bandwidth things that they don't normally do now and that they're seeing other people doing, and, you know, they're, we're beginning to download old tv shows that we missed the night before on the internet. so is that kind of thing they're gonna worry more about than the speed? |
Well, I think they're gonna worry about both. People like to do those entertainment applications online, but one of the real markers of Internet user behavior, and it's a fairly common behavior along, across broadband Internet users, is what we call user-generated content. People like the speed in order to post things online about their lives, about what they're doing. They like to post online their own creativity. | well i, think they're, gonna worry about both people like to do, those entertainment applications online but one of the. real markers of internet user behavior, and it's a fairly common behavior along, across broadband internet users is, what we call user-generated content people; like the speed in order to post things online about, their lives about what they're doing, they like to post online their own, | Well I, think they're gonna worry about both People like to do those entertainment applications online but one of the, real markers of Internet user behavior and it's a fairly common behavior along, across broadband Internet users is what we call user-generated content People like the speed in order to post things. online about their lives about, what they're doing They like to post online their own | well, i think they're gonna worry about both. people like to do those entertainment applications online, but one of the real markers of internet user behavior, and it's a fairly common behavior along, across broadband internet users, is what we call user-generated content. people like the speed in order to post things online about their lives, about what they're doing. they like to post online their own creativity. |
Now, some of that stuff is not gonna be widely interesting to the world at large, but it's interesting to users and their social networks. So they're gonna want the entertainment services, but they're gonna want to continue to have an Internet that enables them to express themselves online. | now some of that stuff is not gonna be widely interesting to the world at large but it's interesting to users and their social networks so they're gonna want the entertainment services but they're gonna want to continue to have an internet that enables them to, express themselves | Now; some of, that stuff is not gonna be widely interesting, to the world at. large but it's, interesting to users and their social networks So they're gonna. want the entertainment services but they're gonna want. to continue to have an, Internet that enables them to express themselves | now, some of that stuff is not gonna be widely interesting to the world at large, but it's interesting to users and their social networks. so they're gonna want the entertainment services, but they're gonna want to continue to have an internet that enables them to express themselves online. |
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Right. If I could add to that. I mean... | right if. i could add to that i | Right If I, could add to that I. | right. if i could add to that. i mean... |
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...I think there's no doubt that people, you know, people would like more bandwidth but - and people would like more services, people like watching videos. They move, and you can see people walking around. But the question is who provides them? | ...i think there's. no doubt that people you know people would like more bandwidth but - and people would like more services people like watching videos they move and, you can see. people walking. around, but the question is who provides | ...I think there's no doubt that people, you know people would. like more. bandwidth but - and people would; like more services people, like watching videos They move and you can see people walking around But the, question. is, who provides | ...i think there's no doubt that people, you know, people would like more bandwidth but - and people would like more services, people like watching videos. they move, and you can see people walking around. but the question is who provides them? |
I'll jump in on that. I don't quite see it as a threat as much as a phenomenon. Particularly at the country level. It's not that countries won't be able to talk to each other, it's just that they will talk to each other less. You know, when the Internet was much smaller a decade ago, there were only so many people on it and so everybody always talked to each other. | i'll. jump in on that i don't quite see it as a. threat as much as, a phenomenon particularly at the country level, it's not that countries won't be able to talk to each. other it's just that they will. talk to each other less you know when the internet was much smaller a decade. ago there were. only so many, people on it and so everybody always talked to each | I'll jump in on that I. don't quite see it as a threat as much as, a phenomenon Particularly at the country level It's not that countries won't be able. to talk to each other it's just that they will talk, to each other; less You know when the Internet was much smaller a decade. ago there were only so many people on it and so, everybody always talked, to. each | i'll jump in on that. i don't quite see it as a threat as much as a phenomenon. particularly at the country level. it's not that countries won't be able to talk to each other, it's just that they will talk to each other less. you know, when the internet was much smaller a decade ago, there were only so many people on it and so everybody always talked to each other. |
GDP and mortality and education are the sort of basic statistics for how the nation's doing. | gdp and mortality and education are, the sort of basic, statistics for how the nation's | GDP and mortality and education are the sort of basic statistics, for; how the nation's | gdp and mortality and education are the sort of basic statistics for how the nation's doing. |
And there's a basic philosophical divide between two approaches, one which is more like cable, which is basically what we've had since the '70s, which is a centralized entity like the phone company or the cable company and some producers create it, or what was just referred to, the kind of world where people just throw up random things and that's what people watch. And how you build the network, how the network gets built out will determine what kind of culture prevails. Something more like what the Internet's now, which is much more of a folky kind of culture where people watch really bad quality video 'cause they think it's funny or they read blogs almost as much as they'll read the New York Times. Or something which is more like the old media world where things like video are dominated by centralized decision makers. That's the philosophical battle behind net neutrality and a lot of other stuff going on right now. | and there's a basic philosophical divide between two approaches one which is, more like cable, which is basically what we've had since the '70s which is a centralized entity like the phone. company or the cable company and some producers create it, or. what was just referred to the kind of world where people; just throw up random. things and that's what people watch and how you build the network how the network gets. built out will determine what kind of culture prevails something more like what the internet's now which is much more of; a folky kind of, culture where people. watch really bad. quality video 'cause they think it's funny or they read blogs almost as much as they'll read the new york times or something which is more like the old media world where things like video are dominated by centralized decision makers; that's the philosophical battle behind net neutrality and a, lot of other stuff going on right | And there's a basic philosophical divide between two approaches one which is more like cable which is. basically what we've had since the '70s which is a centralized entity like the phone company or the cable company and some producers create it or what was just referred to the kind of world where people just throw up random things and that's what. people watch And how you build the network how the network gets built out, will determine what kind, of culture prevails Something more like what the Internet's now. which is much more of a folky kind. of culture where people. watch really bad quality video 'cause they think it's funny or, they, read blogs almost as much as they'll read the New York Times Or something. which is more like the old media world where, things like video are dominated by centralized, decision. makers That's the philosophical battle behind net neutrality and a lot of. other stuff going on right | and there's a basic philosophical divide between two approaches, one which is more like cable, which is basically what we've had since the '70s, which is a centralized entity like the phone company or the cable company and some producers create it, or what was just referred to, the kind of world where people just throw up random things and that's what people watch. and how you build the network, how the network gets built out will determine what kind of culture prevails. something more like what the internet's now, which is much more of a folky kind of culture where people watch really bad quality video 'cause they think it's funny or they read blogs almost as much as they'll read the new york times. or something which is more like the old media world where things like video are dominated by centralized decision makers. that's the philosophical battle behind net neutrality and a lot of other stuff going on right now. |
Larry Peterson. | larry | Larry, | larry peterson. |
I'd just like to add that of course speed is always going to be an issue and users are certainly going to demand more services from the network. But there are going to be issues of ease of use, of trust, of I'm going to want to take the Internet with me wherever I go, that I'm always connected, I always access to my data and so on. | i'd just like to, add that of course speed is always going to be an issue and. users are, certainly going to demand more services from the network but there are going to be issues of ease of use of trust of i'm going to want to take the internet with. me wherever i go that i'm always connected i always access, to. my data and so | I'd just like to add that of course speed is always going to be an issue and users are certainly going, to demand more services from the network But there are going to be issues of ease of use of, trust of I'm going to want to take the Internet with me wherever I go that I'm always connected I always access to my data and so | i'd just like to add that of course speed is always going to be an issue and users are certainly going to demand more services from the network. but there are going to be issues of ease of use, of trust, of i'm going to want to take the internet with me wherever i go, that i'm always connected, i always access to my data and so on. |
These, of course, are services. But, again, I get back to the issue of trust and that's going to become a very significant aspect of the consumer's view of the Internet. | these of course are services but. again i get back to. the issue of trust and that's going to become a very significant aspect of the consumer's view of the | These of course are services But again I get back to, the issue of trust and that's going to become a very significant aspect of the, consumer's view of the | these, of course, are services. but, again, i get back to the issue of trust and that's going to become a very significant aspect of the consumer's view of the internet. |
Go ahead. | go | Go | go ahead. |
Sorry, can I step in? | sorry can i. step | Sorry can I step. | sorry, can i step in? |
Sure. | sure. |
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I don't completely disagree with that, but I want to disagree a little bit. People have been saying since the '90s that so many things wouldn't happen on the Internet because no one trusts the Internet. Pierre Omidyar, who founded eBay, his whole founding principle was that, you know, people trust each other. And eBay has never been all that secure, but it's managed to be successful nonetheless. | i; don't completely disagree with that but i want to disagree a little bit people have been saying since the '90s that so many things wouldn't happen, on the internet because no one trusts the internet. pierre omidyar who founded ebay his whole founding principle was that you know people trust each other and ebay has never been all that secure, but it's managed to be successful | I, don't. completely disagree with that but I want to disagree a little bit, People have been saying since the '90s that so many things, wouldn't happen on the Internet because no one trusts the Internet Pierre Omidyar who founded eBay his whole founding principle was that you know people. trust each other And eBay has never been all, that secure but it's managed to be successful | i don't completely disagree with that, but i want to disagree a little bit. people have been saying since the '90s that so many things wouldn't happen on the internet because no one trusts the internet. pierre omidyar, who founded ebay, his whole founding principle was that, you know, people trust each other. and ebay has never been all that secure, but it's managed to be successful nonetheless. |
And it is sort of surprising how many things, you know, how secure the blogs need to be, how much do you have to trust them? I think there's been a bit of surprise over the last decade of how many things have happened on the Internet, even though it's not as secure as some people might like. I think that's been a bit of surprise to people. | and it is sort of surprising how many things you know how secure the blogs need to be how much do you have to trust them? i think there's been, a bit of surprise over the last. decade of how, many things have happened on the internet, even though it's not as secure as some people might like i think that's been; a bit of surprise to | And it is sort of surprising how many things you know how secure the; blogs need, to be, how much do you, have to trust them? I think there's been a bit, of surprise over the last decade of how many things have, happened on the Internet even though it's not as secure as some people might like, I think that's, been a bit of surprise to | and it is sort of surprising how many things, you know, how secure the blogs need to be, how much do you have to trust them? i think there's been a bit of surprise over the last decade of how many things have happened on the internet, even though it's not as secure as some people might like. i think that's been a bit of surprise to people. |
I think a lot agree with that. | i think a lot agree with | I think a lot agree with | i think a lot agree with that. |
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | yeah yeah | Yeah, yeah | yeah, yeah, yeah. |
So it's certainly the case that the Internet has just grown beyond expectations and people are depending on it despite all the security risks that are there. But on the other hand, what I see happening is what I would call the Internet fragmenting into gated communities. | so it's certainly the case, that the internet has just grown beyond expectations and people are depending. on it despite, all the security risks that are there but on the other hand what i see happening is what, i would call the internet fragmenting into gated | So it's certainly, the case that the Internet has just grown beyond expectations and people are depending, on it despite all the security risks that are, there But on the other hand what I see happening is what I would call the Internet fragmenting into gated | so it's certainly the case that the internet has just grown beyond expectations and people are depending on it despite all the security risks that are there. but on the other hand, what i see happening is what i would call the internet fragmenting into gated communities. |
And this is almost like the neutrality aspect of the issue, that there are places you just can't get to and the universal connectivity of the original Internet is deteriorating. Because of a lack of security built into the Internet your only recourse is to throw up all sorts of protections that are extremely suspicious of every bit of traffic that happens to fly by. | and this is almost like the neutrality. aspect of the issue that there are places you just can't get to and the universal connectivity of the, original internet; is deteriorating because of. a lack of security built into. the internet your only recourse. is to throw up all sorts of protections that are, extremely suspicious of every bit of traffic that happens to fly | And this is almost like the neutrality. aspect of the issue that there are places you just can't get to and the universal connectivity of the original Internet is deteriorating Because of a, lack of security built into; the Internet your only recourse is to throw up; all sorts of protections that are extremely suspicious of every bit of traffic, that happens to, fly | and this is almost like the neutrality aspect of the issue, that there are places you just can't get to and the universal connectivity of the original internet is deteriorating. because of a lack of security built into the internet your only recourse is to throw up all sorts of protections that are extremely suspicious of every bit of traffic that happens to fly by. |
Can you give me an example? | can you give me an. | Can you give me an | can you give me an example? |
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