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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glq96eu
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glqmvdo
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Well. Might be time to try your hand at streaming/video recording. That way you can also record her harassment. There are a lot of screen recording apps and as long as you disclose before recording or in the discord about it that you should be covered. I don’t think the laws have really caught up with today’s internet habits. Discord calls could be considered like phone calls/a type of communication despite her being the one trying to ‘talk’ to you. While just stopping playing the game seems simple I can understand why you don’t what this to ruin your joy of the game/companion ship of guilds.
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Reading on a old arrest that was done on world of Warcraft, you could also open a ticket in to the FF Devs asking for chat logs regarding her interactions, as I assume she is the first one to talk to you. Same can be requested with a activity log on joining/leaving guilds and it would be visable that you have joined first and she immediately follows. Only issue is you need to proof her character is her character. And as easy for another gamer that is, people that are generally in law are not the type to play these kinds of games or understand how they work.
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lalvto
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legaladvice_train
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glqfxx2
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glqmvdo
| 1,612,276,855 | 1,612,279,374 | 5 | 14 |
Find a better lawyer who is more technologically savvy. There should be actual answers to this.
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Reading on a old arrest that was done on world of Warcraft, you could also open a ticket in to the FF Devs asking for chat logs regarding her interactions, as I assume she is the first one to talk to you. Same can be requested with a activity log on joining/leaving guilds and it would be visable that you have joined first and she immediately follows. Only issue is you need to proof her character is her character. And as easy for another gamer that is, people that are generally in law are not the type to play these kinds of games or understand how they work.
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lalvto
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legaladvice_train
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glpe4sa
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glqi0kz
| 1,612,249,651 | 1,612,277,593 | 8 | 11 |
Your best bet going forward is to start making a trail of your efforts to avoid her. Like perhaps receipts for the fact you changed names and data servers, I believe both are paid services? As well as that you lead the current guild/free company and/or Discord. Additionally (it might seem excessive) put it in part of the rules she is not welcome in the Discord, I know some have it set up to require acknowledging rules to join. Just to fully outline how she's going out of her way to contact you if it needs to be heard on. If you want to be especially cautious. As others have suggested, I think it would be wise to have a more tech savvy attorney if possible. Just in-case this does come up in court, it will be easier to lay out. It sounds to me as though you are doing plenty due diligence to avoid her. But the internet can be a bit murky sometime in regards to the law.
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make a report to the Game staff and explain the situation, tell them you are being harassed.
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lalvto
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legaladvice_train
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glqi0kz
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glq9jzu
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make a report to the Game staff and explain the situation, tell them you are being harassed.
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She cant violate an order that is against you. You could use it to show harassment to get the order against you dropped
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lalvto
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legaladvice_train
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glq96eu
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glqi0kz
| 1,612,273,767 | 1,612,277,593 | 5 | 11 |
Well. Might be time to try your hand at streaming/video recording. That way you can also record her harassment. There are a lot of screen recording apps and as long as you disclose before recording or in the discord about it that you should be covered. I don’t think the laws have really caught up with today’s internet habits. Discord calls could be considered like phone calls/a type of communication despite her being the one trying to ‘talk’ to you. While just stopping playing the game seems simple I can understand why you don’t what this to ruin your joy of the game/companion ship of guilds.
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make a report to the Game staff and explain the situation, tell them you are being harassed.
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lalvto
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legaladvice_train
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glqi0kz
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glqfxx2
| 1,612,277,593 | 1,612,276,855 | 11 | 5 |
make a report to the Game staff and explain the situation, tell them you are being harassed.
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Find a better lawyer who is more technologically savvy. There should be actual answers to this.
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lalvto
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legaladvice_train
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glpe4sa
| 1,612,278,528 | 1,612,249,651 | 11 | 8 |
The lawyer may not understand, but their advice is sound. If a judge believes that you are harassing her, you will be slapped with charges; your lawyer is telling you to play it safe, because some judges tend to be morons. A few key things here are what does the order actually say? Usually these orders tend to also limit the person who got the order from contact with the person they got it against, to prevent this kind of thing happening in the first places. If it doesn’t have anything like that, which is possible. Then you should be gathering evidence, screenshots of discord, I mean those logs stay up there, so there’s no reason. Take every screenshot you can, you can sort through what’s relevant with your lawyer later. Speak to the GM of each guild. Any which understand and will outright ban her from the guild, stay in and make sure they ban her, the order is against you, the guild can ban her for any reason they damn well want. Any that won’t do anything, leave that guild. If you do receive contact, do not respond. Speak to your lawyer. Your lawyer can contact her/her lawyer and demand she stop contacting you. In my experience, if her lawyer gets a call from your lawyer, and after finally understanding (the screenshots will help more than your description) explains what is going on, her lawyer will probably tell her to cut it out from there. Your RO isn’t against your lawyer either, they can quite easily send a cure or quit notice or whatever they have in Texas.
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Your best bet going forward is to start making a trail of your efforts to avoid her. Like perhaps receipts for the fact you changed names and data servers, I believe both are paid services? As well as that you lead the current guild/free company and/or Discord. Additionally (it might seem excessive) put it in part of the rules she is not welcome in the Discord, I know some have it set up to require acknowledging rules to join. Just to fully outline how she's going out of her way to contact you if it needs to be heard on. If you want to be especially cautious. As others have suggested, I think it would be wise to have a more tech savvy attorney if possible. Just in-case this does come up in court, it will be easier to lay out. It sounds to me as though you are doing plenty due diligence to avoid her. But the internet can be a bit murky sometime in regards to the law.
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lalvto
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legaladvice_train
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glqklh9
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glqjbfp
| 1,612,278,528 | 1,612,278,056 | 11 | 10 |
The lawyer may not understand, but their advice is sound. If a judge believes that you are harassing her, you will be slapped with charges; your lawyer is telling you to play it safe, because some judges tend to be morons. A few key things here are what does the order actually say? Usually these orders tend to also limit the person who got the order from contact with the person they got it against, to prevent this kind of thing happening in the first places. If it doesn’t have anything like that, which is possible. Then you should be gathering evidence, screenshots of discord, I mean those logs stay up there, so there’s no reason. Take every screenshot you can, you can sort through what’s relevant with your lawyer later. Speak to the GM of each guild. Any which understand and will outright ban her from the guild, stay in and make sure they ban her, the order is against you, the guild can ban her for any reason they damn well want. Any that won’t do anything, leave that guild. If you do receive contact, do not respond. Speak to your lawyer. Your lawyer can contact her/her lawyer and demand she stop contacting you. In my experience, if her lawyer gets a call from your lawyer, and after finally understanding (the screenshots will help more than your description) explains what is going on, her lawyer will probably tell her to cut it out from there. Your RO isn’t against your lawyer either, they can quite easily send a cure or quit notice or whatever they have in Texas.
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Maybe your lawyer and eventually a judge will understand if you analogize to a gym or country club. You've now joined 5 different country clubs/gyms to play golf and tennis and swim and lift weights, and she keeps joining the same ones to follow you around (and keeps showing up at the same time), and she obviously hopes you'll violate the RO by getting to close to her or speaking to her. One of them is bound to understand that model, and you can just say that FF and discord are just online versions of these IRL clubs but for different sports. You've tried to avoid her by quitting your current club and joining a new one, but she just follows you around town joining your new one. These clubs are open to the public, so you can't forbid her from harassing you this way and would like the court to help you follow the RO once they understand.
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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The lawyer may not understand, but their advice is sound. If a judge believes that you are harassing her, you will be slapped with charges; your lawyer is telling you to play it safe, because some judges tend to be morons. A few key things here are what does the order actually say? Usually these orders tend to also limit the person who got the order from contact with the person they got it against, to prevent this kind of thing happening in the first places. If it doesn’t have anything like that, which is possible. Then you should be gathering evidence, screenshots of discord, I mean those logs stay up there, so there’s no reason. Take every screenshot you can, you can sort through what’s relevant with your lawyer later. Speak to the GM of each guild. Any which understand and will outright ban her from the guild, stay in and make sure they ban her, the order is against you, the guild can ban her for any reason they damn well want. Any that won’t do anything, leave that guild. If you do receive contact, do not respond. Speak to your lawyer. Your lawyer can contact her/her lawyer and demand she stop contacting you. In my experience, if her lawyer gets a call from your lawyer, and after finally understanding (the screenshots will help more than your description) explains what is going on, her lawyer will probably tell her to cut it out from there. Your RO isn’t against your lawyer either, they can quite easily send a cure or quit notice or whatever they have in Texas.
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She cant violate an order that is against you. You could use it to show harassment to get the order against you dropped
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glq96eu
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The lawyer may not understand, but their advice is sound. If a judge believes that you are harassing her, you will be slapped with charges; your lawyer is telling you to play it safe, because some judges tend to be morons. A few key things here are what does the order actually say? Usually these orders tend to also limit the person who got the order from contact with the person they got it against, to prevent this kind of thing happening in the first places. If it doesn’t have anything like that, which is possible. Then you should be gathering evidence, screenshots of discord, I mean those logs stay up there, so there’s no reason. Take every screenshot you can, you can sort through what’s relevant with your lawyer later. Speak to the GM of each guild. Any which understand and will outright ban her from the guild, stay in and make sure they ban her, the order is against you, the guild can ban her for any reason they damn well want. Any that won’t do anything, leave that guild. If you do receive contact, do not respond. Speak to your lawyer. Your lawyer can contact her/her lawyer and demand she stop contacting you. In my experience, if her lawyer gets a call from your lawyer, and after finally understanding (the screenshots will help more than your description) explains what is going on, her lawyer will probably tell her to cut it out from there. Your RO isn’t against your lawyer either, they can quite easily send a cure or quit notice or whatever they have in Texas.
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Well. Might be time to try your hand at streaming/video recording. That way you can also record her harassment. There are a lot of screen recording apps and as long as you disclose before recording or in the discord about it that you should be covered. I don’t think the laws have really caught up with today’s internet habits. Discord calls could be considered like phone calls/a type of communication despite her being the one trying to ‘talk’ to you. While just stopping playing the game seems simple I can understand why you don’t what this to ruin your joy of the game/companion ship of guilds.
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glqfxx2
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The lawyer may not understand, but their advice is sound. If a judge believes that you are harassing her, you will be slapped with charges; your lawyer is telling you to play it safe, because some judges tend to be morons. A few key things here are what does the order actually say? Usually these orders tend to also limit the person who got the order from contact with the person they got it against, to prevent this kind of thing happening in the first places. If it doesn’t have anything like that, which is possible. Then you should be gathering evidence, screenshots of discord, I mean those logs stay up there, so there’s no reason. Take every screenshot you can, you can sort through what’s relevant with your lawyer later. Speak to the GM of each guild. Any which understand and will outright ban her from the guild, stay in and make sure they ban her, the order is against you, the guild can ban her for any reason they damn well want. Any that won’t do anything, leave that guild. If you do receive contact, do not respond. Speak to your lawyer. Your lawyer can contact her/her lawyer and demand she stop contacting you. In my experience, if her lawyer gets a call from your lawyer, and after finally understanding (the screenshots will help more than your description) explains what is going on, her lawyer will probably tell her to cut it out from there. Your RO isn’t against your lawyer either, they can quite easily send a cure or quit notice or whatever they have in Texas.
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Find a better lawyer who is more technologically savvy. There should be actual answers to this.
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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Your best bet going forward is to start making a trail of your efforts to avoid her. Like perhaps receipts for the fact you changed names and data servers, I believe both are paid services? As well as that you lead the current guild/free company and/or Discord. Additionally (it might seem excessive) put it in part of the rules she is not welcome in the Discord, I know some have it set up to require acknowledging rules to join. Just to fully outline how she's going out of her way to contact you if it needs to be heard on. If you want to be especially cautious. As others have suggested, I think it would be wise to have a more tech savvy attorney if possible. Just in-case this does come up in court, it will be easier to lay out. It sounds to me as though you are doing plenty due diligence to avoid her. But the internet can be a bit murky sometime in regards to the law.
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Maybe your lawyer and eventually a judge will understand if you analogize to a gym or country club. You've now joined 5 different country clubs/gyms to play golf and tennis and swim and lift weights, and she keeps joining the same ones to follow you around (and keeps showing up at the same time), and she obviously hopes you'll violate the RO by getting to close to her or speaking to her. One of them is bound to understand that model, and you can just say that FF and discord are just online versions of these IRL clubs but for different sports. You've tried to avoid her by quitting your current club and joining a new one, but she just follows you around town joining your new one. These clubs are open to the public, so you can't forbid her from harassing you this way and would like the court to help you follow the RO once they understand.
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glq9jzu
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Maybe your lawyer and eventually a judge will understand if you analogize to a gym or country club. You've now joined 5 different country clubs/gyms to play golf and tennis and swim and lift weights, and she keeps joining the same ones to follow you around (and keeps showing up at the same time), and she obviously hopes you'll violate the RO by getting to close to her or speaking to her. One of them is bound to understand that model, and you can just say that FF and discord are just online versions of these IRL clubs but for different sports. You've tried to avoid her by quitting your current club and joining a new one, but she just follows you around town joining your new one. These clubs are open to the public, so you can't forbid her from harassing you this way and would like the court to help you follow the RO once they understand.
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She cant violate an order that is against you. You could use it to show harassment to get the order against you dropped
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glqjbfp
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Well. Might be time to try your hand at streaming/video recording. That way you can also record her harassment. There are a lot of screen recording apps and as long as you disclose before recording or in the discord about it that you should be covered. I don’t think the laws have really caught up with today’s internet habits. Discord calls could be considered like phone calls/a type of communication despite her being the one trying to ‘talk’ to you. While just stopping playing the game seems simple I can understand why you don’t what this to ruin your joy of the game/companion ship of guilds.
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Maybe your lawyer and eventually a judge will understand if you analogize to a gym or country club. You've now joined 5 different country clubs/gyms to play golf and tennis and swim and lift weights, and she keeps joining the same ones to follow you around (and keeps showing up at the same time), and she obviously hopes you'll violate the RO by getting to close to her or speaking to her. One of them is bound to understand that model, and you can just say that FF and discord are just online versions of these IRL clubs but for different sports. You've tried to avoid her by quitting your current club and joining a new one, but she just follows you around town joining your new one. These clubs are open to the public, so you can't forbid her from harassing you this way and would like the court to help you follow the RO once they understand.
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lalvto
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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glqjbfp
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glqfxx2
| 1,612,278,056 | 1,612,276,855 | 10 | 5 |
Maybe your lawyer and eventually a judge will understand if you analogize to a gym or country club. You've now joined 5 different country clubs/gyms to play golf and tennis and swim and lift weights, and she keeps joining the same ones to follow you around (and keeps showing up at the same time), and she obviously hopes you'll violate the RO by getting to close to her or speaking to her. One of them is bound to understand that model, and you can just say that FF and discord are just online versions of these IRL clubs but for different sports. You've tried to avoid her by quitting your current club and joining a new one, but she just follows you around town joining your new one. These clubs are open to the public, so you can't forbid her from harassing you this way and would like the court to help you follow the RO once they understand.
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Find a better lawyer who is more technologically savvy. There should be actual answers to this.
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lalvto
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Ex Wife has joined 3 online guilds in Final Fantasy while she has a RO against me. Do online interactions in a video game count as a restraining order violation if I do not respond? I got divorced a year ago. During the divorce proceedings my wife got a restraining order against me. Was based off of lies and wont go into specifics other than my lawyer says it has no chance of being renewed past the 2 year cut off. In the meantime my ex wife is trying to force me to violate the order by joining the same guilds I join in Final Fantasy. The first month after the order went into effect, I left the free company, or guild, on advice of my lawyer as we both used voice chat quite heavily. I joined a new group and she followed very soon after. I was talking to random people in discord and she joined saying I better leave or I will violate the restraining order. Since I had been there for a week, I just left. I change my character name and left the data center so our characters could never interact. I form my own group with some friends who came with me and we grow to be kinda big, talking 250ish members with 20-30 online in discord at a time. Im in discord one day and she joins me and my two RL freinds chat. "Oh guess you need a new guild." First thing she says. My friend says some things which I will not repeat here and says its his discord and bans her. I boot her from the guild and close recruitment so she cant get back in. I call my lawyer and... well he doesn't really understand any of that and suggested I just stop playing Final Fantasy. Thats not gonna happen. I asked him about the harassment from her and he said this would be very hard to prove unless we had it recorded. Which we do not have any recordings of these interactions. All we have is a character name in Final Fantasy and the word of my best friend since 5th grade. My lawyer says I just need to stop playing Final Fantasy and to not try and trap her into getting on voice as that will be proof of me violating the order. He doesn't fully understand what discord is but says that if I knowingly converse with her through it I definitely violate the order. All of my friends are on the look out for her as she has followed me to 3 FCs in ffxiv now and the 3rd is one I am the leader of. I don't plan to quit but I want to make sure I am covered. We also implemented a minimum level rule to be in the FC. So she cant just make a new character and join right away. She would have to level up to at least 75 first. First question. If she follows my character around and stays just shy of violating SE TOS, meaning I cant just call a GM on her, would that violate the restraining order? Second. If she rejoins on another account in discord and I unknowningly talk to others while she is in there, does this violate the order? My lawyer had no clue what discord is and answered this question with "Just make sure not to call her on the phone." The 2 year mark for the RO is in September. My lawyer has said if it gets extended, he wold be flabbergasted as it would be highly irregular. This is in Texas.
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She cant violate an order that is against you. You could use it to show harassment to get the order against you dropped
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Well. Might be time to try your hand at streaming/video recording. That way you can also record her harassment. There are a lot of screen recording apps and as long as you disclose before recording or in the discord about it that you should be covered. I don’t think the laws have really caught up with today’s internet habits. Discord calls could be considered like phone calls/a type of communication despite her being the one trying to ‘talk’ to you. While just stopping playing the game seems simple I can understand why you don’t what this to ruin your joy of the game/companion ship of guilds.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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hegsmrv
| 1,632,749,947 | 1,632,747,347 | 2,275 | 333 |
Submit a complaint to the NYC office of professional discipline. Details at https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-03292.
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You’re not likely to be able to preemptively prevent them from reporting on your credit, but you should communicate with them in writing from now on to make it easier to dispute the debt with the credit reporting agencies as well as the debt collector they eventually sell the debt to. You can send them a letter via certified mail summarizing everything that has happened to this point and demanding that they fix the problem and asking for written confirmation that they’ve done so. They won’t be obligated to write back, but they might. Keep a copy of the letter and receipt and follow up via email if possible.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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hegsmrv
| 1,632,751,211 | 1,632,747,347 | 1,021 | 333 |
When they eventually send you to collections, you can file suit under the FCRA. For a willful violation, statutory damages are up to $1000 per violation and attorney fees can be recovered. It should not be difficult to find an attorney specializing in these types of cases in NYC that has developed this into a cottage industry.
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You’re not likely to be able to preemptively prevent them from reporting on your credit, but you should communicate with them in writing from now on to make it easier to dispute the debt with the credit reporting agencies as well as the debt collector they eventually sell the debt to. You can send them a letter via certified mail summarizing everything that has happened to this point and demanding that they fix the problem and asking for written confirmation that they’ve done so. They won’t be obligated to write back, but they might. Keep a copy of the letter and receipt and follow up via email if possible.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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heh6yvp
| 1,632,768,051 | 1,632,754,112 | 95 | 73 |
sounds like an office management issue. many dentists use a heavily integrated software system for scheduling, billing, text reminders, etc. my guess is the billing is some what automated and the office person you are calling isn’t communicating with the accounting team effectively. i would call the dentist and ask for him/her specifically. explain what’s happened and write a follow up email summarizing the conversation for documentation purposes . the dentist will not like wasting his time dealing with office work and will be motivated to solve the problem.
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Check with the New York Dental Association and see if they have a dispute resolution system. Don’t necessarily go that route and maybe don’t give them any information to start but it’s an avenue to look at. You may want to file a complaint when this is done. Also, get a copy of your chart. It will state what has been done and there should be note as to why the procedure was not completed. Where I am the can be a small fee for printing records but the do have to release them. Check with the association about that too.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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hei2c4t
| 1,632,761,751 | 1,632,768,051 | 31 | 95 |
Have a lawyer send a cease and desist letter outlining the issue. Have lawyer talk about billing fraud etc. Guaranteed to stop it. Try a online legal service to keep costs down. I once used legal shield for an out of state ticket
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sounds like an office management issue. many dentists use a heavily integrated software system for scheduling, billing, text reminders, etc. my guess is the billing is some what automated and the office person you are calling isn’t communicating with the accounting team effectively. i would call the dentist and ask for him/her specifically. explain what’s happened and write a follow up email summarizing the conversation for documentation purposes . the dentist will not like wasting his time dealing with office work and will be motivated to solve the problem.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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hehecrl
| 1,632,768,051 | 1,632,757,241 | 95 | 16 |
sounds like an office management issue. many dentists use a heavily integrated software system for scheduling, billing, text reminders, etc. my guess is the billing is some what automated and the office person you are calling isn’t communicating with the accounting team effectively. i would call the dentist and ask for him/her specifically. explain what’s happened and write a follow up email summarizing the conversation for documentation purposes . the dentist will not like wasting his time dealing with office work and will be motivated to solve the problem.
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Have you spoken to the dentist directly? This would be my next step. Make sure he is aware of these issues and that if the letters don’t stop you’re going to file a complaint with the licensure board.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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heh8moe
| 1,632,768,051 | 1,632,754,821 | 95 | 4 |
sounds like an office management issue. many dentists use a heavily integrated software system for scheduling, billing, text reminders, etc. my guess is the billing is some what automated and the office person you are calling isn’t communicating with the accounting team effectively. i would call the dentist and ask for him/her specifically. explain what’s happened and write a follow up email summarizing the conversation for documentation purposes . the dentist will not like wasting his time dealing with office work and will be motivated to solve the problem.
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I would dispute the collections letter and if it goes to collections, dispute it again. I would also file in small claims. There you can explain to the judge that you never had the procedure etc. This sounds ridiculous that you would be pursued for a procedure they cancelled regardless but really any procedure you don't go through with is not one you owe the full balance for. I would think a judge would see that. By the way you can call your credit card company and challenge it further- I have done it- the way the credit card challenge works is sometimes you have to keep challenging it to get a real and final review( I think I went 3 or 4 rounds once) and only there do they actually review the "evidence" so you could do that simultaneously.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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hehojbn
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Have you spoken to the dentist directly? This would be my next step. Make sure he is aware of these issues and that if the letters don’t stop you’re going to file a complaint with the licensure board.
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Have a lawyer send a cease and desist letter outlining the issue. Have lawyer talk about billing fraud etc. Guaranteed to stop it. Try a online legal service to keep costs down. I once used legal shield for an out of state ticket
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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hehojbn
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I would dispute the collections letter and if it goes to collections, dispute it again. I would also file in small claims. There you can explain to the judge that you never had the procedure etc. This sounds ridiculous that you would be pursued for a procedure they cancelled regardless but really any procedure you don't go through with is not one you owe the full balance for. I would think a judge would see that. By the way you can call your credit card company and challenge it further- I have done it- the way the credit card challenge works is sometimes you have to keep challenging it to get a real and final review( I think I went 3 or 4 rounds once) and only there do they actually review the "evidence" so you could do that simultaneously.
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Have a lawyer send a cease and desist letter outlining the issue. Have lawyer talk about billing fraud etc. Guaranteed to stop it. Try a online legal service to keep costs down. I once used legal shield for an out of state ticket
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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heh8moe
| 1,632,757,241 | 1,632,754,821 | 16 | 4 |
Have you spoken to the dentist directly? This would be my next step. Make sure he is aware of these issues and that if the letters don’t stop you’re going to file a complaint with the licensure board.
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I would dispute the collections letter and if it goes to collections, dispute it again. I would also file in small claims. There you can explain to the judge that you never had the procedure etc. This sounds ridiculous that you would be pursued for a procedure they cancelled regardless but really any procedure you don't go through with is not one you owe the full balance for. I would think a judge would see that. By the way you can call your credit card company and challenge it further- I have done it- the way the credit card challenge works is sometimes you have to keep challenging it to get a real and final review( I think I went 3 or 4 rounds once) and only there do they actually review the "evidence" so you could do that simultaneously.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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hei7pzi
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If it was me, the first step I'd take would be sending a certified letter to the dentist's office, reminding them that the procedure was never done, stating that you don't owe them anything, and demanding that they stop trying to collect. Save a copy of the letter, and of the proof of delivery. Certified letters are pretty cheap, and they tend to make people take notice of your problem, because they're often the first step in a lawsuit. Also, someone will have to sign for it, so they'll feel like it's *their problem*, and they might put a little more effort into solving it for you.
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You have a right to validation of your debt. You've requested that and they've been unable to provide it, and have assured you that collection efforts would cease. They have not. At this point you should contact the NYS AG's office and the CFPB to complain about the erroneous collection efforts that the office is performing directly. If they send it to third party collections, you should double down on that and also consider remedies under the FCRA. The statutory damages are up to $1000 per violation under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. I anal but I have a lot of experience with collection compliance.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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hei7pzi
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I would dispute the collections letter and if it goes to collections, dispute it again. I would also file in small claims. There you can explain to the judge that you never had the procedure etc. This sounds ridiculous that you would be pursued for a procedure they cancelled regardless but really any procedure you don't go through with is not one you owe the full balance for. I would think a judge would see that. By the way you can call your credit card company and challenge it further- I have done it- the way the credit card challenge works is sometimes you have to keep challenging it to get a real and final review( I think I went 3 or 4 rounds once) and only there do they actually review the "evidence" so you could do that simultaneously.
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You have a right to validation of your debt. You've requested that and they've been unable to provide it, and have assured you that collection efforts would cease. They have not. At this point you should contact the NYS AG's office and the CFPB to complain about the erroneous collection efforts that the office is performing directly. If they send it to third party collections, you should double down on that and also consider remedies under the FCRA. The statutory damages are up to $1000 per violation under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. I anal but I have a lot of experience with collection compliance.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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heil78j
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Ask for a copy of your medical records. Also ask for a list of what theyre collecting for. They have to provide that to you, if requested. Can you physically go to the dentist office in person to talk to the office workers and/or dentist? Record, if legal in your state.
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If it was me, the first step I'd take would be sending a certified letter to the dentist's office, reminding them that the procedure was never done, stating that you don't owe them anything, and demanding that they stop trying to collect. Save a copy of the letter, and of the proof of delivery. Certified letters are pretty cheap, and they tend to make people take notice of your problem, because they're often the first step in a lawsuit. Also, someone will have to sign for it, so they'll feel like it's *their problem*, and they might put a little more effort into solving it for you.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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heil78j
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I would dispute the collections letter and if it goes to collections, dispute it again. I would also file in small claims. There you can explain to the judge that you never had the procedure etc. This sounds ridiculous that you would be pursued for a procedure they cancelled regardless but really any procedure you don't go through with is not one you owe the full balance for. I would think a judge would see that. By the way you can call your credit card company and challenge it further- I have done it- the way the credit card challenge works is sometimes you have to keep challenging it to get a real and final review( I think I went 3 or 4 rounds once) and only there do they actually review the "evidence" so you could do that simultaneously.
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If it was me, the first step I'd take would be sending a certified letter to the dentist's office, reminding them that the procedure was never done, stating that you don't owe them anything, and demanding that they stop trying to collect. Save a copy of the letter, and of the proof of delivery. Certified letters are pretty cheap, and they tend to make people take notice of your problem, because they're often the first step in a lawsuit. Also, someone will have to sign for it, so they'll feel like it's *their problem*, and they might put a little more effort into solving it for you.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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If it was me, the first step I'd take would be sending a certified letter to the dentist's office, reminding them that the procedure was never done, stating that you don't owe them anything, and demanding that they stop trying to collect. Save a copy of the letter, and of the proof of delivery. Certified letters are pretty cheap, and they tend to make people take notice of your problem, because they're often the first step in a lawsuit. Also, someone will have to sign for it, so they'll feel like it's *their problem*, and they might put a little more effort into solving it for you.
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Send them a certified letter outlining the dates you paid and the dates you cancelled the service, reconfirming that you never had the procedure they’re billing you for done. You can state that you request documentation proving the services were performed if they believe that was the case. Otherwise you request them to stop billing immediately or you’ll need to move on to legal action. Receiving this in writing will get them moving to resolve it. Phone convos are pointless if they don’t want to act.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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heib8p4
| 1,632,754,821 | 1,632,772,106 | 4 | 9 |
I would dispute the collections letter and if it goes to collections, dispute it again. I would also file in small claims. There you can explain to the judge that you never had the procedure etc. This sounds ridiculous that you would be pursued for a procedure they cancelled regardless but really any procedure you don't go through with is not one you owe the full balance for. I would think a judge would see that. By the way you can call your credit card company and challenge it further- I have done it- the way the credit card challenge works is sometimes you have to keep challenging it to get a real and final review( I think I went 3 or 4 rounds once) and only there do they actually review the "evidence" so you could do that simultaneously.
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Ask for a copy of your medical records. Also ask for a list of what theyre collecting for. They have to provide that to you, if requested. Can you physically go to the dentist office in person to talk to the office workers and/or dentist? Record, if legal in your state.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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heib8p4
| 1,632,771,105 | 1,632,772,106 | 7 | 9 |
Send them a certified letter outlining the dates you paid and the dates you cancelled the service, reconfirming that you never had the procedure they’re billing you for done. You can state that you request documentation proving the services were performed if they believe that was the case. Otherwise you request them to stop billing immediately or you’ll need to move on to legal action. Receiving this in writing will get them moving to resolve it. Phone convos are pointless if they don’t want to act.
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Ask for a copy of your medical records. Also ask for a list of what theyre collecting for. They have to provide that to you, if requested. Can you physically go to the dentist office in person to talk to the office workers and/or dentist? Record, if legal in your state.
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[NYC] Dentist is threatening to go to collections for $4000 bill for procedure that never happened My dentist's office took a $4000 down payment from me to begin an $8000 procedure. I paid some \~$135 separately for the consultation. Months later, the dentist told me that he would not be able to perform the procedure as my case turned out to be too complicated and promised a refund, over the phone. I had to hound the dental office for my refund. When I'd call, they'd keep claiming that it'll be done "next week." This went on for months. During this time, I was sent an erroneous bill demanding the rest of the $4000. Eventually I gave up trying to get my refund and issued a chargeback on my credit card. They investigated and it went through. I've been sent the bill demanding the other $4000 every few months since. After calling and asking them to stop, they claimed that the bill would cease the next cycle. I've gotten the bill twice since. Now I've been sent First Class mail demanding payment or it'll go to collections. What legal action can I take? I don't want this impacting my credit at all.
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hei91aq
| 1,632,754,821 | 1,632,771,105 | 4 | 7 |
I would dispute the collections letter and if it goes to collections, dispute it again. I would also file in small claims. There you can explain to the judge that you never had the procedure etc. This sounds ridiculous that you would be pursued for a procedure they cancelled regardless but really any procedure you don't go through with is not one you owe the full balance for. I would think a judge would see that. By the way you can call your credit card company and challenge it further- I have done it- the way the credit card challenge works is sometimes you have to keep challenging it to get a real and final review( I think I went 3 or 4 rounds once) and only there do they actually review the "evidence" so you could do that simultaneously.
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Send them a certified letter outlining the dates you paid and the dates you cancelled the service, reconfirming that you never had the procedure they’re billing you for done. You can state that you request documentation proving the services were performed if they believe that was the case. Otherwise you request them to stop billing immediately or you’ll need to move on to legal action. Receiving this in writing will get them moving to resolve it. Phone convos are pointless if they don’t want to act.
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iyawr3p
| 1,669,771,141 | 1,669,770,642 | 1,353 | 663 |
Send a cease and desist letter to neighbor, keep a copy for your records. Take her to small claims court if she doesn’t stop and the city starts fining you.
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You should invest in a home security system, like a Ring doorbell, which is affordable and records disturbances automatically, (the doorbell need not be rung). Yes, talk to the HOA.
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iychf5i
| 1,669,810,341 | 1,669,806,740 | 358 | 83 |
Could you put some sort of lock on them? I am imagining the large trash cans with wheels. A bike lock between their handles may make them too cumbersome to roll individually without unlocking first.
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If she thinks that your trash is attracting rats, couldn't you ask her for evidence? Even if she's crazy? The burden of proof is on her. And, find a tightly fitting lid if you don't have one, to reduce the perception that she might have that you're feeding rodents?
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iychf5i
| 1,669,816,028 | 1,669,806,740 | 197 | 83 |
All of this plus let the HOA know your neighbor has a rat problem!
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If she thinks that your trash is attracting rats, couldn't you ask her for evidence? Even if she's crazy? The burden of proof is on her. And, find a tightly fitting lid if you don't have one, to reduce the perception that she might have that you're feeding rodents?
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iyd4fl5
| 1,669,806,740 | 1,669,819,894 | 83 | 144 |
If she thinks that your trash is attracting rats, couldn't you ask her for evidence? Even if she's crazy? The burden of proof is on her. And, find a tightly fitting lid if you don't have one, to reduce the perception that she might have that you're feeding rodents?
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Cameras, Cameras, Cameras! When I bought my house we had a ton of garbage, as you do. I dragged my overflowing bins to the other side of our alley where the other trash cans were at like 10pm the night before collection day. The next afternoon I noticed they were still full and obnoxiously placed in front of my parking space. “What the hell” fortunately I had just installed my Nest camera and could clearly see a neighbor moving them. I confronted him, and after a lot of deflecting pulled out my phone to show him the clear video he goes “well they were where I put MY trash cans” I simply said “that’s passive aggressive, and a REAL nice introduction to the neighborhood, jackass” and just walked away, as he stumbled for something to say. He doesn’t make eye contact when he sees me now, but his wife (who is super nice) brought us cookies and profusely apologized. Haven’t had an issue since.
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iyd00ii
| 1,669,819,894 | 1,669,817,884 | 144 | 57 |
Cameras, Cameras, Cameras! When I bought my house we had a ton of garbage, as you do. I dragged my overflowing bins to the other side of our alley where the other trash cans were at like 10pm the night before collection day. The next afternoon I noticed they were still full and obnoxiously placed in front of my parking space. “What the hell” fortunately I had just installed my Nest camera and could clearly see a neighbor moving them. I confronted him, and after a lot of deflecting pulled out my phone to show him the clear video he goes “well they were where I put MY trash cans” I simply said “that’s passive aggressive, and a REAL nice introduction to the neighborhood, jackass” and just walked away, as he stumbled for something to say. He doesn’t make eye contact when he sees me now, but his wife (who is super nice) brought us cookies and profusely apologized. Haven’t had an issue since.
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Not a lawyer, but have worked for elected officials in constituent facing roles. Is it the city or the HOA that is fining you? If it is the city I think your best bet is to send a cease and desist by certified mail, file a police report, and then call your local elected official's office and explain the situation. They can help you navigate the bureaucracy to get the fines refunded and are usually happy to help. I guarantee two things. One, while this will be the first time they heard your exact situation, it this will be far from the first time they have had to deal with the result of a petty neighbor making life hard for someone for no apparent reason. And two, they will probably joke about your terrible neighbor for some time to come.
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iyd4fl5
| 1,669,817,765 | 1,669,819,894 | 32 | 144 |
Drill two holes in the back of each, insert an large eyebolt and nut in each and one or two anchor eye bolts to a building or pole where you have them. Buy a stout cable with loops and lock them to your house. Whole set up should cost around a single fine, but she’s not moving them again and next time tries she’ll be VERY angry.
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Cameras, Cameras, Cameras! When I bought my house we had a ton of garbage, as you do. I dragged my overflowing bins to the other side of our alley where the other trash cans were at like 10pm the night before collection day. The next afternoon I noticed they were still full and obnoxiously placed in front of my parking space. “What the hell” fortunately I had just installed my Nest camera and could clearly see a neighbor moving them. I confronted him, and after a lot of deflecting pulled out my phone to show him the clear video he goes “well they were where I put MY trash cans” I simply said “that’s passive aggressive, and a REAL nice introduction to the neighborhood, jackass” and just walked away, as he stumbled for something to say. He doesn’t make eye contact when he sees me now, but his wife (who is super nice) brought us cookies and profusely apologized. Haven’t had an issue since.
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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| 1,669,819,894 | 1,669,818,843 | 144 | 23 |
Cameras, Cameras, Cameras! When I bought my house we had a ton of garbage, as you do. I dragged my overflowing bins to the other side of our alley where the other trash cans were at like 10pm the night before collection day. The next afternoon I noticed they were still full and obnoxiously placed in front of my parking space. “What the hell” fortunately I had just installed my Nest camera and could clearly see a neighbor moving them. I confronted him, and after a lot of deflecting pulled out my phone to show him the clear video he goes “well they were where I put MY trash cans” I simply said “that’s passive aggressive, and a REAL nice introduction to the neighborhood, jackass” and just walked away, as he stumbled for something to say. He doesn’t make eye contact when he sees me now, but his wife (who is super nice) brought us cookies and profusely apologized. Haven’t had an issue since.
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Do the other suggestions at the top here first probably but you could also tell your neighbor that while rats prefer to nest near their food sources they’re perfectly capable of scavenging in a several hundred foot radius. If she’s got a rat-friendly shed or foundation or whatever that she’s not securing, merely moving the food source instead of securing it is going to do very little.
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iyd4fl5
| 1,669,817,001 | 1,669,819,894 | 2 | 144 |
Can you chain the barrels to a railing or something?
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Cameras, Cameras, Cameras! When I bought my house we had a ton of garbage, as you do. I dragged my overflowing bins to the other side of our alley where the other trash cans were at like 10pm the night before collection day. The next afternoon I noticed they were still full and obnoxiously placed in front of my parking space. “What the hell” fortunately I had just installed my Nest camera and could clearly see a neighbor moving them. I confronted him, and after a lot of deflecting pulled out my phone to show him the clear video he goes “well they were where I put MY trash cans” I simply said “that’s passive aggressive, and a REAL nice introduction to the neighborhood, jackass” and just walked away, as he stumbled for something to say. He doesn’t make eye contact when he sees me now, but his wife (who is super nice) brought us cookies and profusely apologized. Haven’t had an issue since.
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iyczrfz
| 1,669,817,884 | 1,669,817,765 | 57 | 32 |
Not a lawyer, but have worked for elected officials in constituent facing roles. Is it the city or the HOA that is fining you? If it is the city I think your best bet is to send a cease and desist by certified mail, file a police report, and then call your local elected official's office and explain the situation. They can help you navigate the bureaucracy to get the fines refunded and are usually happy to help. I guarantee two things. One, while this will be the first time they heard your exact situation, it this will be far from the first time they have had to deal with the result of a petty neighbor making life hard for someone for no apparent reason. And two, they will probably joke about your terrible neighbor for some time to come.
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Drill two holes in the back of each, insert an large eyebolt and nut in each and one or two anchor eye bolts to a building or pole where you have them. Buy a stout cable with loops and lock them to your house. Whole set up should cost around a single fine, but she’s not moving them again and next time tries she’ll be VERY angry.
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iyd00ii
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Can you chain the barrels to a railing or something?
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Not a lawyer, but have worked for elected officials in constituent facing roles. Is it the city or the HOA that is fining you? If it is the city I think your best bet is to send a cease and desist by certified mail, file a police report, and then call your local elected official's office and explain the situation. They can help you navigate the bureaucracy to get the fines refunded and are usually happy to help. I guarantee two things. One, while this will be the first time they heard your exact situation, it this will be far from the first time they have had to deal with the result of a petty neighbor making life hard for someone for no apparent reason. And two, they will probably joke about your terrible neighbor for some time to come.
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iycy6zo
| 1,669,817,765 | 1,669,817,001 | 32 | 2 |
Drill two holes in the back of each, insert an large eyebolt and nut in each and one or two anchor eye bolts to a building or pole where you have them. Buy a stout cable with loops and lock them to your house. Whole set up should cost around a single fine, but she’s not moving them again and next time tries she’ll be VERY angry.
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Can you chain the barrels to a railing or something?
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iycy6zo
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Do the other suggestions at the top here first probably but you could also tell your neighbor that while rats prefer to nest near their food sources they’re perfectly capable of scavenging in a several hundred foot radius. If she’s got a rat-friendly shed or foundation or whatever that she’s not securing, merely moving the food source instead of securing it is going to do very little.
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Can you chain the barrels to a railing or something?
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iycy6zo
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I agree with others, chains, a ring camera and a notice
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Can you chain the barrels to a railing or something?
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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Alright first off, your title makes it sound like your being charged currently for the issue, but after further reading it makes sense as to why you said it. As for other commenters chains to keep it in its place, camera (if you can afford it) for the visual and proof of the perpetrator, and keep receipts and proof to battle the ticket.
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Only a suggestion, start calling the police before you get a ticket to start a paper trail. Also e-mail your elected your elected officials and possibly the department that hands out these tickets. Again leaving a paper trail.
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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Can you chain the barrels to a railing or something?
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Alright first off, your title makes it sound like your being charged currently for the issue, but after further reading it makes sense as to why you said it. As for other commenters chains to keep it in its place, camera (if you can afford it) for the visual and proof of the perpetrator, and keep receipts and proof to battle the ticket.
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My neighbor is moving our trash cans from our back alley to the sidewalk every morning and the city is fining us for the trash can being left out Pretty much the title. We are in Maryland and our city fines us $50 every time they see the can out on the sidewalk and it isn't trash day. Our neighbor accuses us of causing her rat problem and so she moves the can to the sidewalk every day. We thankfully haven't been ticketed yet but it's only a matter of time I suspect. I have plans to speak to our Home Owners Association about this but am debating whether putting in a complaint with the city police department is a good idea. Atleast if we are ticketed there's a paper trail for the city to know what's going on but really more importantly I want her to stop doing this.
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iycy6zo
| 1,669,822,616 | 1,669,817,001 | 6 | 2 |
Only a suggestion, start calling the police before you get a ticket to start a paper trail. Also e-mail your elected your elected officials and possibly the department that hands out these tickets. Again leaving a paper trail.
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Can you chain the barrels to a railing or something?
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Neighbor left a vulgar note on my legally parked car threatening to have me towed [Los Angeles, California] I recently moved to LA from out of state and have out of state plates on my car, but I don’t think this is a factor. My new neighborhood is mostly on street parking, there are no reserved spots other than if you have a driveway. I usually park my car on the street right beside my house, but when I came home the night before last there wasn’t a space so I simply went up a block and parked there. My car was parked perfectly legally, not blocking anything, not sticking out. There is a loosely enforced 3 day rule for parking but it hasn’t been there anywhere near that long (about a day and a half). Today I go up to my car to find a note which reads “FUCK YOU move your fucken car. I’m going to have you towed ASSHOLE” Now, I have a very good idea of who placed this note, because my friends who live here have dealt with her craziness before, including notes as well as broken mirrors and damage to cars parked in the vicinity of her house. I wasn’t parked directly in front of her house, but on the other side of the street from it. Obviously I can’t prove it was her. But is there anything I can do about it? I don’t want her to call and have my car towed for some bullshit reason. Should I call the cops and just give them a heads up? I don’t think cops get involved when someone does get towed here though.
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| 1,542,428,741 | 1,542,437,123 | 5 | 43 |
I live in LA and parking is a hassle at times...even I have territorial neighbors. Unless if there is a sign where it says you're required to have a permit or it's assigned or whatever you're fine. She can't call a tow. Save the note as evidence for the future in case she does call a tow or causes any damages.I would file a complaint with the police tho before any other neighbor or friend get any more damages also to keep record that if it keeps happening they'll probably investigate...Because of personal experiences I would advice you to take pictures and save them onto a USB **if your car ever gets towed away by a dishonest tow company. Good luck!
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Get a dash cam that turns itself on when it senses impact, movement etc. It might record your vehicle being interfered with. Also, any cameras on the parking area would be helpful.
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9xslpx
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Neighbor left a vulgar note on my legally parked car threatening to have me towed [Los Angeles, California] I recently moved to LA from out of state and have out of state plates on my car, but I don’t think this is a factor. My new neighborhood is mostly on street parking, there are no reserved spots other than if you have a driveway. I usually park my car on the street right beside my house, but when I came home the night before last there wasn’t a space so I simply went up a block and parked there. My car was parked perfectly legally, not blocking anything, not sticking out. There is a loosely enforced 3 day rule for parking but it hasn’t been there anywhere near that long (about a day and a half). Today I go up to my car to find a note which reads “FUCK YOU move your fucken car. I’m going to have you towed ASSHOLE” Now, I have a very good idea of who placed this note, because my friends who live here have dealt with her craziness before, including notes as well as broken mirrors and damage to cars parked in the vicinity of her house. I wasn’t parked directly in front of her house, but on the other side of the street from it. Obviously I can’t prove it was her. But is there anything I can do about it? I don’t want her to call and have my car towed for some bullshit reason. Should I call the cops and just give them a heads up? I don’t think cops get involved when someone does get towed here though.
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e9v1efa
| 1,542,463,020 | 1,542,428,741 | 9 | 5 |
Is recently within the last 20 days? Because you only have 20 days to switch your registration/plates. You don't want her calling the cops for a tow and getting nabbed for failing to register
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I live in LA and parking is a hassle at times...even I have territorial neighbors. Unless if there is a sign where it says you're required to have a permit or it's assigned or whatever you're fine. She can't call a tow. Save the note as evidence for the future in case she does call a tow or causes any damages.I would file a complaint with the police tho before any other neighbor or friend get any more damages also to keep record that if it keeps happening they'll probably investigate...Because of personal experiences I would advice you to take pictures and save them onto a USB **if your car ever gets towed away by a dishonest tow company. Good luck!
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l30yzo
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[NY] Landlord says we’ll be charged a late fee if they are unable to collect our rent check from their office “due to Covid” Our apartment building recently got bought out and is now being run by a new management company. The online payment system charges a fee (and we know it’s illegal for them to force us to use it) so we had planned to send a check, but in the rent payment instructions they say “Due to COVID-19 we ask that all rent is paid online as we may not be able to access our office for mail. This is to ensure that you do not automatically get charged late fees.” It feels like they’re being sneaky by using the language “we ask”, so as to not be accused of forcing us to pay online. My question is: can they legally enforce late fees if we send our check on time but they’re not able to access and cash it on time? Thanks all!
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gkay942
| 1,611,378,742 | 1,611,380,501 | 174 | 267 |
I believe New York's current eviction moratorium also includes a ban on Late Fees.
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If you mail the check to their address on time, you have fulfilled your responsibilities under the lease and they can't charge you a late fee just because they choose not to go into the office to get it. If they are physically unable to access the office, they should provide you with another address to send the check to. That being said, you might want to start by sending them an email letting them know that you're willing to pay online but only if they waive the fee.
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l30yzo
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[NY] Landlord says we’ll be charged a late fee if they are unable to collect our rent check from their office “due to Covid” Our apartment building recently got bought out and is now being run by a new management company. The online payment system charges a fee (and we know it’s illegal for them to force us to use it) so we had planned to send a check, but in the rent payment instructions they say “Due to COVID-19 we ask that all rent is paid online as we may not be able to access our office for mail. This is to ensure that you do not automatically get charged late fees.” It feels like they’re being sneaky by using the language “we ask”, so as to not be accused of forcing us to pay online. My question is: can they legally enforce late fees if we send our check on time but they’re not able to access and cash it on time? Thanks all!
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gkafseb
| 1,611,380,501 | 1,611,373,650 | 267 | 31 |
If you mail the check to their address on time, you have fulfilled your responsibilities under the lease and they can't charge you a late fee just because they choose not to go into the office to get it. If they are physically unable to access the office, they should provide you with another address to send the check to. That being said, you might want to start by sending them an email letting them know that you're willing to pay online but only if they waive the fee.
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What does your lease say about payments? They have to abide the the lease as much as you. If it says you can pay by mailing your check to the office then you can mail it to the office. You may want to send the check via a tracking method to prove it got delivered before rents due. At this point the cost/time would probably outweigh the $3 charge. You also have the option of just asking them about how they should offer no charge of online fees is they are forcing that option.
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l30yzo
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[NY] Landlord says we’ll be charged a late fee if they are unable to collect our rent check from their office “due to Covid” Our apartment building recently got bought out and is now being run by a new management company. The online payment system charges a fee (and we know it’s illegal for them to force us to use it) so we had planned to send a check, but in the rent payment instructions they say “Due to COVID-19 we ask that all rent is paid online as we may not be able to access our office for mail. This is to ensure that you do not automatically get charged late fees.” It feels like they’re being sneaky by using the language “we ask”, so as to not be accused of forcing us to pay online. My question is: can they legally enforce late fees if we send our check on time but they’re not able to access and cash it on time? Thanks all!
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gkafar7
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gkay942
| 1,611,373,394 | 1,611,380,501 | 8 | 267 |
What does you lease say about how rent is to be paid?
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If you mail the check to their address on time, you have fulfilled your responsibilities under the lease and they can't charge you a late fee just because they choose not to go into the office to get it. If they are physically unable to access the office, they should provide you with another address to send the check to. That being said, you might want to start by sending them an email letting them know that you're willing to pay online but only if they waive the fee.
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l30yzo
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[NY] Landlord says we’ll be charged a late fee if they are unable to collect our rent check from their office “due to Covid” Our apartment building recently got bought out and is now being run by a new management company. The online payment system charges a fee (and we know it’s illegal for them to force us to use it) so we had planned to send a check, but in the rent payment instructions they say “Due to COVID-19 we ask that all rent is paid online as we may not be able to access our office for mail. This is to ensure that you do not automatically get charged late fees.” It feels like they’re being sneaky by using the language “we ask”, so as to not be accused of forcing us to pay online. My question is: can they legally enforce late fees if we send our check on time but they’re not able to access and cash it on time? Thanks all!
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gkatkih
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gkafseb
| 1,611,378,742 | 1,611,373,650 | 174 | 31 |
I believe New York's current eviction moratorium also includes a ban on Late Fees.
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What does your lease say about payments? They have to abide the the lease as much as you. If it says you can pay by mailing your check to the office then you can mail it to the office. You may want to send the check via a tracking method to prove it got delivered before rents due. At this point the cost/time would probably outweigh the $3 charge. You also have the option of just asking them about how they should offer no charge of online fees is they are forcing that option.
| 1 | 5,092 | 5.612903 |
l30yzo
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[NY] Landlord says we’ll be charged a late fee if they are unable to collect our rent check from their office “due to Covid” Our apartment building recently got bought out and is now being run by a new management company. The online payment system charges a fee (and we know it’s illegal for them to force us to use it) so we had planned to send a check, but in the rent payment instructions they say “Due to COVID-19 we ask that all rent is paid online as we may not be able to access our office for mail. This is to ensure that you do not automatically get charged late fees.” It feels like they’re being sneaky by using the language “we ask”, so as to not be accused of forcing us to pay online. My question is: can they legally enforce late fees if we send our check on time but they’re not able to access and cash it on time? Thanks all!
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gkafar7
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gkatkih
| 1,611,373,394 | 1,611,378,742 | 8 | 174 |
What does you lease say about how rent is to be paid?
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I believe New York's current eviction moratorium also includes a ban on Late Fees.
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l30yzo
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[NY] Landlord says we’ll be charged a late fee if they are unable to collect our rent check from their office “due to Covid” Our apartment building recently got bought out and is now being run by a new management company. The online payment system charges a fee (and we know it’s illegal for them to force us to use it) so we had planned to send a check, but in the rent payment instructions they say “Due to COVID-19 we ask that all rent is paid online as we may not be able to access our office for mail. This is to ensure that you do not automatically get charged late fees.” It feels like they’re being sneaky by using the language “we ask”, so as to not be accused of forcing us to pay online. My question is: can they legally enforce late fees if we send our check on time but they’re not able to access and cash it on time? Thanks all!
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gkafseb
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gkafar7
| 1,611,373,650 | 1,611,373,394 | 31 | 8 |
What does your lease say about payments? They have to abide the the lease as much as you. If it says you can pay by mailing your check to the office then you can mail it to the office. You may want to send the check via a tracking method to prove it got delivered before rents due. At this point the cost/time would probably outweigh the $3 charge. You also have the option of just asking them about how they should offer no charge of online fees is they are forcing that option.
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What does you lease say about how rent is to be paid?
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l30yzo
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[NY] Landlord says we’ll be charged a late fee if they are unable to collect our rent check from their office “due to Covid” Our apartment building recently got bought out and is now being run by a new management company. The online payment system charges a fee (and we know it’s illegal for them to force us to use it) so we had planned to send a check, but in the rent payment instructions they say “Due to COVID-19 we ask that all rent is paid online as we may not be able to access our office for mail. This is to ensure that you do not automatically get charged late fees.” It feels like they’re being sneaky by using the language “we ask”, so as to not be accused of forcing us to pay online. My question is: can they legally enforce late fees if we send our check on time but they’re not able to access and cash it on time? Thanks all!
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| 1,611,413,285 | 1,611,397,064 | 19 | 12 |
New York tenant attorney here — no, no, no. They cannot charge you a late fee if you pay your rent on time, and payment is made when you give the rent to them, if they don’t deposit it until after the day the rent is due that’s on them. Additionally make sure your late fees are correct — late fees in New York can only be 5% of your monthly rent OR 50 dollars, whichever is cheaper, and you can only be charged one late fee per month. Additionally you cannot be evicted solely for not paying late fees, as late fees aren’t rent and you can only be evicted — in a non-payment proceeding — for unpaid rent. They may try to evict you for say, lease violations for continuously late rent, but if you can show that you deposited the rent into their care by the day your rent is due then them not actually depositing it is on them.
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What pops out here is that they mention automatically being charged late fees. Property management software I've used in the past will in fact simply automatically apply late fees, and it's annoying. However, it does sound a little odd...I would make sure it is postmarked early.
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l30yzo
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[NY] Landlord says we’ll be charged a late fee if they are unable to collect our rent check from their office “due to Covid” Our apartment building recently got bought out and is now being run by a new management company. The online payment system charges a fee (and we know it’s illegal for them to force us to use it) so we had planned to send a check, but in the rent payment instructions they say “Due to COVID-19 we ask that all rent is paid online as we may not be able to access our office for mail. This is to ensure that you do not automatically get charged late fees.” It feels like they’re being sneaky by using the language “we ask”, so as to not be accused of forcing us to pay online. My question is: can they legally enforce late fees if we send our check on time but they’re not able to access and cash it on time? Thanks all!
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gkafar7
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gkdos3i
| 1,611,373,394 | 1,611,413,285 | 8 | 19 |
What does you lease say about how rent is to be paid?
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New York tenant attorney here — no, no, no. They cannot charge you a late fee if you pay your rent on time, and payment is made when you give the rent to them, if they don’t deposit it until after the day the rent is due that’s on them. Additionally make sure your late fees are correct — late fees in New York can only be 5% of your monthly rent OR 50 dollars, whichever is cheaper, and you can only be charged one late fee per month. Additionally you cannot be evicted solely for not paying late fees, as late fees aren’t rent and you can only be evicted — in a non-payment proceeding — for unpaid rent. They may try to evict you for say, lease violations for continuously late rent, but if you can show that you deposited the rent into their care by the day your rent is due then them not actually depositing it is on them.
| 0 | 39,891 | 2.375 |
l30yzo
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legaladvice_train
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[NY] Landlord says we’ll be charged a late fee if they are unable to collect our rent check from their office “due to Covid” Our apartment building recently got bought out and is now being run by a new management company. The online payment system charges a fee (and we know it’s illegal for them to force us to use it) so we had planned to send a check, but in the rent payment instructions they say “Due to COVID-19 we ask that all rent is paid online as we may not be able to access our office for mail. This is to ensure that you do not automatically get charged late fees.” It feels like they’re being sneaky by using the language “we ask”, so as to not be accused of forcing us to pay online. My question is: can they legally enforce late fees if we send our check on time but they’re not able to access and cash it on time? Thanks all!
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gkdos3i
| 1,611,412,513 | 1,611,413,285 | 2 | 19 |
If you want to mail your check take pictures of every step with your phone, they'll be time and date stamped so your landlord can't deny that you sent it on time.
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New York tenant attorney here — no, no, no. They cannot charge you a late fee if you pay your rent on time, and payment is made when you give the rent to them, if they don’t deposit it until after the day the rent is due that’s on them. Additionally make sure your late fees are correct — late fees in New York can only be 5% of your monthly rent OR 50 dollars, whichever is cheaper, and you can only be charged one late fee per month. Additionally you cannot be evicted solely for not paying late fees, as late fees aren’t rent and you can only be evicted — in a non-payment proceeding — for unpaid rent. They may try to evict you for say, lease violations for continuously late rent, but if you can show that you deposited the rent into their care by the day your rent is due then them not actually depositing it is on them.
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l30yzo
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[NY] Landlord says we’ll be charged a late fee if they are unable to collect our rent check from their office “due to Covid” Our apartment building recently got bought out and is now being run by a new management company. The online payment system charges a fee (and we know it’s illegal for them to force us to use it) so we had planned to send a check, but in the rent payment instructions they say “Due to COVID-19 we ask that all rent is paid online as we may not be able to access our office for mail. This is to ensure that you do not automatically get charged late fees.” It feels like they’re being sneaky by using the language “we ask”, so as to not be accused of forcing us to pay online. My question is: can they legally enforce late fees if we send our check on time but they’re not able to access and cash it on time? Thanks all!
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gkafar7
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gkc60vx
| 1,611,373,394 | 1,611,397,064 | 8 | 12 |
What does you lease say about how rent is to be paid?
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What pops out here is that they mention automatically being charged late fees. Property management software I've used in the past will in fact simply automatically apply late fees, and it's annoying. However, it does sound a little odd...I would make sure it is postmarked early.
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My landlord is scheming of different ways to evict me because of rent control. Today he tried to come into my house without formal notice for "smoke detector inspection", when I refused he called the cops for a wellness check About a week ago he sent me a 60 day move out notice say that I, someone who's live in this 4 plex for 12 years (I'm the oldest staying tenant here), need to move out because his relative is moving in. Then installed cameras pointing literally at my door after seeing my gf come in and out of my house. Today while I was working remotely at home, he called me saying he's here for a smoke alarm inspection. I told him to come back after giving me a formal notice, as soon as a refused he then called the LAPD stating that I was on drugs so I needed a wellness check. About 30 minutes after, 3 police officers showed up to myself saying that I need to step out so that they can see my face. I complied, stepped out and locked the door behind me, as soon as they saw me they walked away. My question is that, is this considered harassment from my Landlord? What can I do to make him legally stop bothering me.
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| 1,655,834,704 | 1,655,834,902 | 12 | 402 |
Hi there! I’m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https://legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https://legalfaq.org/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*
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Contact the local PD and report that your landlord filed a false report that resulted in 3 officers having to do a wellness check on a perfectly healthy person. LA also has some pretty strong tenant protections. I would contact a local tenant aid group; they should be able to point you to proper help to fight an illegal eviction.
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My landlord is scheming of different ways to evict me because of rent control. Today he tried to come into my house without formal notice for "smoke detector inspection", when I refused he called the cops for a wellness check About a week ago he sent me a 60 day move out notice say that I, someone who's live in this 4 plex for 12 years (I'm the oldest staying tenant here), need to move out because his relative is moving in. Then installed cameras pointing literally at my door after seeing my gf come in and out of my house. Today while I was working remotely at home, he called me saying he's here for a smoke alarm inspection. I told him to come back after giving me a formal notice, as soon as a refused he then called the LAPD stating that I was on drugs so I needed a wellness check. About 30 minutes after, 3 police officers showed up to myself saying that I need to step out so that they can see my face. I complied, stepped out and locked the door behind me, as soon as they saw me they walked away. My question is that, is this considered harassment from my Landlord? What can I do to make him legally stop bothering me.
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id7inre
| 1,655,858,789 | 1,655,834,704 | 117 | 12 |
Read up on the LA Tenant Anti-Harassment Ordinance (your landlord is certainly in violation of it) and report your landlord to LA Housing for an illegal eviction attempt (landlord can only evict the newest tenant for an owner-occupancy eviction).
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My landlord is scheming of different ways to evict me because of rent control. Today he tried to come into my house without formal notice for "smoke detector inspection", when I refused he called the cops for a wellness check About a week ago he sent me a 60 day move out notice say that I, someone who's live in this 4 plex for 12 years (I'm the oldest staying tenant here), need to move out because his relative is moving in. Then installed cameras pointing literally at my door after seeing my gf come in and out of my house. Today while I was working remotely at home, he called me saying he's here for a smoke alarm inspection. I told him to come back after giving me a formal notice, as soon as a refused he then called the LAPD stating that I was on drugs so I needed a wellness check. About 30 minutes after, 3 police officers showed up to myself saying that I need to step out so that they can see my face. I complied, stepped out and locked the door behind me, as soon as they saw me they walked away. My question is that, is this considered harassment from my Landlord? What can I do to make him legally stop bothering me.
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id8y4o8
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id8g9yl
| 1,655,858,789 | 1,655,850,178 | 117 | 3 |
Read up on the LA Tenant Anti-Harassment Ordinance (your landlord is certainly in violation of it) and report your landlord to LA Housing for an illegal eviction attempt (landlord can only evict the newest tenant for an owner-occupancy eviction).
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Do you have a lease or are you a month to month tenant?
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Gave SSN to future landlord for him to do a credit check, then landlord sent copies to other tenants and one unknown person Hi, So I gave my SSN to my future landlord for the rental application/lease agreement and a month later, he sent all of the people living in that apartment eachother’s SSN, past addresses, DOB, etc. +sent it to one unknown person because he mistyped an email. I later went to his office and confronted him because it made me feel uncomfortable that all these people now have my SSN, and he responded with: “I didn’t send that email, my assistant did, and honestly, that is way more your problem than it is mine, so it’s your responsibility to deal with!” What should I do? Note: This is in Pennsylvania, and it’s a landlord renting to a group of college students Thank you.
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gbzmrcy
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Contact the 3 main credit reporting agencies and go through the process of freezing your credit. This is a relatively simple task to do and provides a bit of protection in the event of attempted Identity Theft.
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That’s a violation of the graham leech bliley act. As a credit user he must comply to it. That’s a federal offense. It’s actually way more his problem than he thinks. Call credit bureaus, put an initial fraud alert.
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Gave SSN to future landlord for him to do a credit check, then landlord sent copies to other tenants and one unknown person Hi, So I gave my SSN to my future landlord for the rental application/lease agreement and a month later, he sent all of the people living in that apartment eachother’s SSN, past addresses, DOB, etc. +sent it to one unknown person because he mistyped an email. I later went to his office and confronted him because it made me feel uncomfortable that all these people now have my SSN, and he responded with: “I didn’t send that email, my assistant did, and honestly, that is way more your problem than it is mine, so it’s your responsibility to deal with!” What should I do? Note: This is in Pennsylvania, and it’s a landlord renting to a group of college students Thank you.
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gbzmrcy
| 1,605,140,951 | 1,605,141,299 | 23 | 1,289 |
You should sit down with a local lawyer and see what kind of penalties this landlord may be changed with. I assume you can at least demand that he pay for identity protection services, but get real advice from a lawyer before asking for anything. I worry that he could give you something cheap (1 year of credit protection) and then he could claim that you accepted it as a settlement, therefore losing your chance to push for more protection.
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That’s a violation of the graham leech bliley act. As a credit user he must comply to it. That’s a federal offense. It’s actually way more his problem than he thinks. Call credit bureaus, put an initial fraud alert.
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Gave SSN to future landlord for him to do a credit check, then landlord sent copies to other tenants and one unknown person Hi, So I gave my SSN to my future landlord for the rental application/lease agreement and a month later, he sent all of the people living in that apartment eachother’s SSN, past addresses, DOB, etc. +sent it to one unknown person because he mistyped an email. I later went to his office and confronted him because it made me feel uncomfortable that all these people now have my SSN, and he responded with: “I didn’t send that email, my assistant did, and honestly, that is way more your problem than it is mine, so it’s your responsibility to deal with!” What should I do? Note: This is in Pennsylvania, and it’s a landlord renting to a group of college students Thank you.
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gbzmx22
| 1,605,140,951 | 1,605,141,378 | 23 | 294 |
You should sit down with a local lawyer and see what kind of penalties this landlord may be changed with. I assume you can at least demand that he pay for identity protection services, but get real advice from a lawyer before asking for anything. I worry that he could give you something cheap (1 year of credit protection) and then he could claim that you accepted it as a settlement, therefore losing your chance to push for more protection.
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Look up social security privacy act. It's a federal law. He is in the wrong.
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legaladvice_train
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Gave SSN to future landlord for him to do a credit check, then landlord sent copies to other tenants and one unknown person Hi, So I gave my SSN to my future landlord for the rental application/lease agreement and a month later, he sent all of the people living in that apartment eachother’s SSN, past addresses, DOB, etc. +sent it to one unknown person because he mistyped an email. I later went to his office and confronted him because it made me feel uncomfortable that all these people now have my SSN, and he responded with: “I didn’t send that email, my assistant did, and honestly, that is way more your problem than it is mine, so it’s your responsibility to deal with!” What should I do? Note: This is in Pennsylvania, and it’s a landlord renting to a group of college students Thank you.
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gbzm2hy
| 1,605,141,513 | 1,605,140,951 | 204 | 23 |
You might also want to check on if your college offers legal services. Some colleges offer "free" (paid for in your tuition) meetings with legal counsel for advice and an explanation of your rights based on your circumstances, so it's worth looking into if that exists from your school.
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You should sit down with a local lawyer and see what kind of penalties this landlord may be changed with. I assume you can at least demand that he pay for identity protection services, but get real advice from a lawyer before asking for anything. I worry that he could give you something cheap (1 year of credit protection) and then he could claim that you accepted it as a settlement, therefore losing your chance to push for more protection.
| 1 | 562 | 8.869565 |
jsj9t8
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legaladvice_train
| 0.97 |
Gave SSN to future landlord for him to do a credit check, then landlord sent copies to other tenants and one unknown person Hi, So I gave my SSN to my future landlord for the rental application/lease agreement and a month later, he sent all of the people living in that apartment eachother’s SSN, past addresses, DOB, etc. +sent it to one unknown person because he mistyped an email. I later went to his office and confronted him because it made me feel uncomfortable that all these people now have my SSN, and he responded with: “I didn’t send that email, my assistant did, and honestly, that is way more your problem than it is mine, so it’s your responsibility to deal with!” What should I do? Note: This is in Pennsylvania, and it’s a landlord renting to a group of college students Thank you.
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gbzm2hy
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gbzoo9g
| 1,605,140,951 | 1,605,142,271 | 23 | 161 |
You should sit down with a local lawyer and see what kind of penalties this landlord may be changed with. I assume you can at least demand that he pay for identity protection services, but get real advice from a lawyer before asking for anything. I worry that he could give you something cheap (1 year of credit protection) and then he could claim that you accepted it as a settlement, therefore losing your chance to push for more protection.
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It's very likely that the University has a resource that can assist you with this situation. Your landlord may not care what a handful of college students think, but they do care about what their source of college students does. PA has SSN privacy laws that appears your landlord would be subject to, it would be up to a $500 fine for the first violation and up to $5000 fine for each subsequent violation. Whether or not he violated the law would be would be subject to its interpretation, but it appears by intentionally communicating it would be. Your first recourse would be making a police report. Outside of that, until you have damages, ie identity getting stolen due to the landlord disclosing your SSN, you have no civil recourse. I would recommend calling the 3 credit agencies and having a pin placed on it.
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jsj9t8
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legaladvice_train
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Gave SSN to future landlord for him to do a credit check, then landlord sent copies to other tenants and one unknown person Hi, So I gave my SSN to my future landlord for the rental application/lease agreement and a month later, he sent all of the people living in that apartment eachother’s SSN, past addresses, DOB, etc. +sent it to one unknown person because he mistyped an email. I later went to his office and confronted him because it made me feel uncomfortable that all these people now have my SSN, and he responded with: “I didn’t send that email, my assistant did, and honestly, that is way more your problem than it is mine, so it’s your responsibility to deal with!” What should I do? Note: This is in Pennsylvania, and it’s a landlord renting to a group of college students Thank you.
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gbzm2hy
| 1,605,143,029 | 1,605,140,951 | 52 | 23 |
Per another post, there's more to this story than what's in this post.
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You should sit down with a local lawyer and see what kind of penalties this landlord may be changed with. I assume you can at least demand that he pay for identity protection services, but get real advice from a lawyer before asking for anything. I worry that he could give you something cheap (1 year of credit protection) and then he could claim that you accepted it as a settlement, therefore losing your chance to push for more protection.
| 1 | 2,078 | 2.26087 |
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I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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cshlp2k
| 1,435,185,802 | 1,435,185,459 | 114 | 75 |
Every person who makes a new post here about things like "my employer paid me for an extra week and I spent it and now they found out and want it back but it's not fair that I have to pay it back!" needs to see this post. This is from the flip side, when someone treats a 'bank error in your favor' like a Monopoly card and tries to rip someone off. As OP demonstrates, it is really not fun when you're on the losing money side. (Not to imply that OP has done anything wrong! I am merely pointing this out because we always hear about the person who got paid twice or something, and how they think it's so unfair that they have to give the money back.)
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Sound like the bank is at fault. Why haven't they refunded the money?
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legaladvice_train
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I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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cshlvza
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cshkg6x
| 1,435,185,802 | 1,435,183,321 | 114 | 25 |
Every person who makes a new post here about things like "my employer paid me for an extra week and I spent it and now they found out and want it back but it's not fair that I have to pay it back!" needs to see this post. This is from the flip side, when someone treats a 'bank error in your favor' like a Monopoly card and tries to rip someone off. As OP demonstrates, it is really not fun when you're on the losing money side. (Not to imply that OP has done anything wrong! I am merely pointing this out because we always hear about the person who got paid twice or something, and how they think it's so unfair that they have to give the money back.)
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Have you contacted the bank who issued the extra check?
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3b02uh
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legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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cshkxwr
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cshlvza
| 1,435,184,158 | 1,435,185,802 | 22 | 114 |
2014 Minnesota Statutes 609.52 THEFT. Subd. 2.Acts constituting theft. (5) intentionally commits any of the acts listed in this subdivision but with intent to exercise temporary control only and: (i) the control exercised manifests an indifference to the rights of the owner or the restoration of the property to the owner
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Every person who makes a new post here about things like "my employer paid me for an extra week and I spent it and now they found out and want it back but it's not fair that I have to pay it back!" needs to see this post. This is from the flip side, when someone treats a 'bank error in your favor' like a Monopoly card and tries to rip someone off. As OP demonstrates, it is really not fun when you're on the losing money side. (Not to imply that OP has done anything wrong! I am merely pointing this out because we always hear about the person who got paid twice or something, and how they think it's so unfair that they have to give the money back.)
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3b02uh
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legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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cshlp2k
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cshsac1
| 1,435,185,459 | 1,435,197,250 | 75 | 79 |
Sound like the bank is at fault. Why haven't they refunded the money?
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Your bank should be able to reverse the additional check, even if it has already been paid. They just have to contact the bank that he deposited it in, and tell them that it was not authorized. There is a procedure for this, so go tell them to do it.
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3b02uh
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legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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cshkg6x
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cshsac1
| 1,435,183,321 | 1,435,197,250 | 25 | 79 |
Have you contacted the bank who issued the extra check?
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Your bank should be able to reverse the additional check, even if it has already been paid. They just have to contact the bank that he deposited it in, and tell them that it was not authorized. There is a procedure for this, so go tell them to do it.
| 0 | 13,929 | 3.16 |
3b02uh
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legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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cshsac1
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cshkxwr
| 1,435,197,250 | 1,435,184,158 | 79 | 22 |
Your bank should be able to reverse the additional check, even if it has already been paid. They just have to contact the bank that he deposited it in, and tell them that it was not authorized. There is a procedure for this, so go tell them to do it.
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2014 Minnesota Statutes 609.52 THEFT. Subd. 2.Acts constituting theft. (5) intentionally commits any of the acts listed in this subdivision but with intent to exercise temporary control only and: (i) the control exercised manifests an indifference to the rights of the owner or the restoration of the property to the owner
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legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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cshlp2k
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cshkg6x
| 1,435,185,459 | 1,435,183,321 | 75 | 25 |
Sound like the bank is at fault. Why haven't they refunded the money?
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Have you contacted the bank who issued the extra check?
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3b02uh
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legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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cshkxwr
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cshlp2k
| 1,435,184,158 | 1,435,185,459 | 22 | 75 |
2014 Minnesota Statutes 609.52 THEFT. Subd. 2.Acts constituting theft. (5) intentionally commits any of the acts listed in this subdivision but with intent to exercise temporary control only and: (i) the control exercised manifests an indifference to the rights of the owner or the restoration of the property to the owner
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Sound like the bank is at fault. Why haven't they refunded the money?
| 0 | 1,301 | 3.409091 |
3b02uh
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legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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csi0eks
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cshtbvu
| 1,435,215,789 | 1,435,199,197 | 66 | 61 |
Judge: "Ok, what's the problem?" Landlord: "Tenant has not paid June's rent." Judge: "Mr. Tenant, why didn't you pay June's rent?" Tenant: "I paid double rent in May." Judge: "Is this true Mr. Landlord?" Landlord: "Yes." Judge: "So what's the problem?" Landlord: "Tenant didn't pay it in June." Judge: "Get the fuck out of my courtroom."
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OP: Two things: 1 - Almost assuredly, your landlord is in the legal wrong. There's no denying you've paid. You would win an eviction case, hands-down. However, I'd advise you still pay rent every month, which leads to #2: 2 - Contact your bank. Ask them to fix their error. The specific magic words you want to say if they're not helpful are to ask them to initiate an "ACH Return". This is the bank going through the **A**utomatic **C**learing **H**ouse (ACH!) system and un-depositing the money in the other bank's account holder's account and putting it back in your account. Be aware that a ACH return may end up with your landlord being charged a NSF fee (for depositing a check that was not honored). Because your landlord is an obvious wackjob, they'll probably try to charge you that fee. See the other advice here re: demand letter and tell the landlord to bugger off. This situation will probably not end with your landlord being a happy camper. Be sure to adhere to the terms of your lease and, when it comes time, as a bit of personal advice, I'd look into moving.
| 1 | 16,592 | 1.081967 |
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legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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cshkg6x
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csi0eks
| 1,435,183,321 | 1,435,215,789 | 25 | 66 |
Have you contacted the bank who issued the extra check?
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Judge: "Ok, what's the problem?" Landlord: "Tenant has not paid June's rent." Judge: "Mr. Tenant, why didn't you pay June's rent?" Tenant: "I paid double rent in May." Judge: "Is this true Mr. Landlord?" Landlord: "Yes." Judge: "So what's the problem?" Landlord: "Tenant didn't pay it in June." Judge: "Get the fuck out of my courtroom."
| 0 | 32,468 | 2.64 |
3b02uh
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legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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cshkxwr
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csi0eks
| 1,435,184,158 | 1,435,215,789 | 22 | 66 |
2014 Minnesota Statutes 609.52 THEFT. Subd. 2.Acts constituting theft. (5) intentionally commits any of the acts listed in this subdivision but with intent to exercise temporary control only and: (i) the control exercised manifests an indifference to the rights of the owner or the restoration of the property to the owner
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Judge: "Ok, what's the problem?" Landlord: "Tenant has not paid June's rent." Judge: "Mr. Tenant, why didn't you pay June's rent?" Tenant: "I paid double rent in May." Judge: "Is this true Mr. Landlord?" Landlord: "Yes." Judge: "So what's the problem?" Landlord: "Tenant didn't pay it in June." Judge: "Get the fuck out of my courtroom."
| 0 | 31,631 | 3 |
3b02uh
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legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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cshtbvu
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cshkg6x
| 1,435,199,197 | 1,435,183,321 | 61 | 25 |
OP: Two things: 1 - Almost assuredly, your landlord is in the legal wrong. There's no denying you've paid. You would win an eviction case, hands-down. However, I'd advise you still pay rent every month, which leads to #2: 2 - Contact your bank. Ask them to fix their error. The specific magic words you want to say if they're not helpful are to ask them to initiate an "ACH Return". This is the bank going through the **A**utomatic **C**learing **H**ouse (ACH!) system and un-depositing the money in the other bank's account holder's account and putting it back in your account. Be aware that a ACH return may end up with your landlord being charged a NSF fee (for depositing a check that was not honored). Because your landlord is an obvious wackjob, they'll probably try to charge you that fee. See the other advice here re: demand letter and tell the landlord to bugger off. This situation will probably not end with your landlord being a happy camper. Be sure to adhere to the terms of your lease and, when it comes time, as a bit of personal advice, I'd look into moving.
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Have you contacted the bank who issued the extra check?
| 1 | 15,876 | 2.44 |
3b02uh
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legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
I live in Minnesota and my bank sent my landlord two checks by mistake. The landlord won't refund the extra OR apply it to next month's rent. My landlord requires that rent be paid by check, so I set up check paying service with my bank. For May the bank mistakenly sent TWO checks rather than one. Both had the note of "LASTNAME HOUSENUMBER RENT MAY" and my landlord cashed both. After finding out, I contacted the landlord informing them that the bank sent two checks by mistake, and confirming that they received both. They did. So, I had the bank "pause" for June and not send a rent check assuming my account was paid ahead by a month. Apparently that's wrong. The landlord started sent me notice on the fourth of unpaid rent for the month. The landlord refuses to refund the extra money saying that it is not their fault that I gave them additional money and they are under no obligation to return it. Like I said, they won't even apply it to June rent. Can I legally continue to withhold June rent since they were paid double in May, and just send the next check as usual starting in July? They have threatened to have me evicted so I really need to know my legal options. Thanks.
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cshtbvu
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cshkxwr
| 1,435,199,197 | 1,435,184,158 | 61 | 22 |
OP: Two things: 1 - Almost assuredly, your landlord is in the legal wrong. There's no denying you've paid. You would win an eviction case, hands-down. However, I'd advise you still pay rent every month, which leads to #2: 2 - Contact your bank. Ask them to fix their error. The specific magic words you want to say if they're not helpful are to ask them to initiate an "ACH Return". This is the bank going through the **A**utomatic **C**learing **H**ouse (ACH!) system and un-depositing the money in the other bank's account holder's account and putting it back in your account. Be aware that a ACH return may end up with your landlord being charged a NSF fee (for depositing a check that was not honored). Because your landlord is an obvious wackjob, they'll probably try to charge you that fee. See the other advice here re: demand letter and tell the landlord to bugger off. This situation will probably not end with your landlord being a happy camper. Be sure to adhere to the terms of your lease and, when it comes time, as a bit of personal advice, I'd look into moving.
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2014 Minnesota Statutes 609.52 THEFT. Subd. 2.Acts constituting theft. (5) intentionally commits any of the acts listed in this subdivision but with intent to exercise temporary control only and: (i) the control exercised manifests an indifference to the rights of the owner or the restoration of the property to the owner
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Neighbor asked us to request a no outlet sign on our property and then one was installed without notice. A few months ago a neighbor down the street asked us to call the county and request a no outlet sign be put in our yard because the one he put up himself was taken down. When he called about why it was taken down they told him the only way it could be put back up was across the street in our front yard. Now this week a utility marker came and marked up our lawn with flags and paint with zero notice. A few days later a no outlet sign was put in. It is huge. There's nothing in our front yard except this sign and it feels like an eye sore. It may sounds silly but we hate it and want it gone. Is there anyway we can have them remove it or are we just stuck with it from now on? We live in NC.
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Counties do not maintain the public highways in NC, all of them are either managed by the state DOT or a city/town or private. In general anyone putting up a street sign without notice could get in a lot of trouble, that was pretty dumb for your neighbor to try that. The MUTCD contains rules for the placement of all signs, so you could likely find an explanation for why it supposedly can only be placed there if you want. Most likely this sign was installed within an existing easement. You should be able to contact your local NCDOT division office and ask for documents pertaining to the construction if you want to know more.
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Contact your local DoT and ask why it was installed and who requested. It is likely within your property easement (check out that map and also get a tape measure). If it was marked it was likely installed by the city/county. If your neighbor did request it and didn’t give you a heads up, your neighbor sucks.
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Neighbor asked us to request a no outlet sign on our property and then one was installed without notice. A few months ago a neighbor down the street asked us to call the county and request a no outlet sign be put in our yard because the one he put up himself was taken down. When he called about why it was taken down they told him the only way it could be put back up was across the street in our front yard. Now this week a utility marker came and marked up our lawn with flags and paint with zero notice. A few days later a no outlet sign was put in. It is huge. There's nothing in our front yard except this sign and it feels like an eye sore. It may sounds silly but we hate it and want it gone. Is there anyway we can have them remove it or are we just stuck with it from now on? We live in NC.
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ii6xb1s
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Why is it so important to your neighbor that a no outlet sign is installed?
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Not a lawyer but, this something like this happened with my dad. They put a “road work ahead” sign up on his yard, he simply took it down and laid it on the sidewalk. they put it up in the neighbor’s yard one house down.
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(US-PA) Neighbor Improperly Installed a Driveway That Causes All The Street Water to Drain In to My Backyard and is Flooding My Basement. Hi Everyone. I'm hoping someone might be able to help give me some guidance or at least confirm that I'm heading in the right direction. As noted, my neighbor installed a driveway about a year and a half ago that the township has confirmed does not even come close to meeting code. There is no curb or lip that allows rainwater to continue traveling down the street. The water that is draining for two-thirds of a city block is flowing down his driveway, across the yard (due to his yard sloping towards mine), in to my yard, and then down my yard into my basement. Due to Hurricane Isaias, I vacuumed nearly 2,000 gallons of water out of my basement yesterday. I called my insurance company and they said I'd have to file a claim through my neighbor's homeowners' insurance. I was hoping that my insurance company would pay the claim and then subrogate with my neighbor's insurance company so that I don't have to directly confront my neighbor and tell him "yeah, I'm planning on filing an insurance claim against your homeowners insurance or suing you for the damages your improperly installed driveway has caused to my house." What I'm trying to understand is the following: Does my insurance company really have no obligation to cover my house and then subrogate with the neighbor's insurance company? What would be the best way to (for lack of a better term) confront my neighbor and let them know I plan on filing a claim against their homeowners insurance? My concern about confronting the neighbor is that the husband is a bit... nuts. I frequently hear him screaming at his wife and kids so I worry that telling the guy I plan on holding him responsible for damages is only going to cause a massive confrontation/dispute. Thanks in advance for all your help.
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g0l0azl
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An unendorsed homeowners policy would not cover this loss. Do you have flood insurance?
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You need to get a lawyer. You need to notify the Township/City's code enforcement by making a complaint, calling your local city representative or the mayor/township commissioner. First, a lawyer: it is illegal in most places to divert water onto another's property. You should sue them to stop the practice or enjoin it and for damages. Second, complain to the City/township's code enforcement department and your alderman or mayor or whoever will listen. File a claim with your insurance and give them the information about the neighbor. I would also talk to your neighbor as nicely as you can. Tell him it was not a problem until he changed his driveway, etc. Also, can you divert the water back to his yard or driveway? Can you dig a ditch that diverts the water elsewhere?
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Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvx78gm
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Get some security cameras set up soon. You'll at least be able to catch the next crazy crap she pulls.
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Sounds like the police have already weighed in. If she uses the light again, you can call the police again. It sounds like she might try something else, but it's hard to advise before we know what that is. Definitely keep an eye on that.
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Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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1. Security cameras 2. Blackout curtains
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>Call adult protective services? Can't hurt.
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Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvxdqf2
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>Call adult protective services? Can't hurt.
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The police told you just about all you need to know. The light cant be on. She sounds like some crazy pseudo science spiritualist nutcase. Let her sprinkle her salt, hang her dream catchers, and burn her anti-demon candles. As long as her, and the effects of her craziness stays off your property, id say let it go. Something else happens, call the cops again. Meanwhile, id stop talking to her. If she thinks you're a demon from the 9th circle of satan's asshole, make like Elsa from Disney's hit movie Aladdin, and Let It Go.
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Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvxbsod
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>Call adult protective services? Can't hurt.
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Old people do all sorts of weird things for whatever reason, maybe it's all the time on their hands and loneliness. I don't think she's crazy, it sounds like she's just weird and trying to get a rise out of you maybe. I would set up security cameras and document whatever weird things she'll continue to do.
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Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvxbur2
| 1,521,431,906 | 1,521,431,978 | 3 | 80 |
Old people do all sorts of weird things for whatever reason, maybe it's all the time on their hands and loneliness. I don't think she's crazy, it sounds like she's just weird and trying to get a rise out of you maybe. I would set up security cameras and document whatever weird things she'll continue to do.
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1. Security cameras 2. Blackout curtains
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85g3if
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Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvxumy2
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The Illinois Department on Aging has a hotline you can call to discuss questions like this. Your neighbor may have family, but they are unaware of her bizarre behavior. Here is the link to the site, and they can direct you from there, or you can at least document what is going on. This doesn't sound malicious, it sounds like she is getting confused and/or losing mental faculties. https://www2.illinois.gov/aging/ProtectionAdvocacy/Pages/abuse.aspx Good luck!
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There is a thing called "sundowning" which occurs in Dementia/Alzheimer's. Google will tell you all about It. It is a slow creep as with all aspects of neurodegenerative disease. She very much seems to be exhibiting symptoms. She may sleep better at her sister's place because emotionally she feels safer and that ameliorates the anxiety, confusion and distress of sundowning. I would try to contact any family she has, be patient and calm with her if interacting to minimise her stress (and risk of escalating), install cameras, and feel very comfortable calling police and APS as needed. (Source - am sleep disorders specialist) ETA: If you have eyelet or hook curtains, you can get blackout inserts from soft furnishing stores (i.e. Dunelm in UK).
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Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvxumy2
| 1,521,458,966 | 1,521,468,048 | 39 | 53 |
I would also suggest- if she continues doing weird things keeping a written log of dates, times, what happened and how. This will if you have legal problems further down the road, show a record of erratic behavior. And as several other people suggested, security cameras, and etc. Another good question to ask is this- how in the hell is she always certain she knows when you are gone? I mean that's not really stalker-y, but it is cutting it close. Either she really is keeping tabs on you, via like making sure your vehicle is gone, or she is concluding you are gone because that is what her mind tells her. There is a big difference, and it still smacks of creepy.
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There is a thing called "sundowning" which occurs in Dementia/Alzheimer's. Google will tell you all about It. It is a slow creep as with all aspects of neurodegenerative disease. She very much seems to be exhibiting symptoms. She may sleep better at her sister's place because emotionally she feels safer and that ameliorates the anxiety, confusion and distress of sundowning. I would try to contact any family she has, be patient and calm with her if interacting to minimise her stress (and risk of escalating), install cameras, and feel very comfortable calling police and APS as needed. (Source - am sleep disorders specialist) ETA: If you have eyelet or hook curtains, you can get blackout inserts from soft furnishing stores (i.e. Dunelm in UK).
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Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvxumy2
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dvxdqf2
| 1,521,468,048 | 1,521,434,700 | 53 | 19 |
There is a thing called "sundowning" which occurs in Dementia/Alzheimer's. Google will tell you all about It. It is a slow creep as with all aspects of neurodegenerative disease. She very much seems to be exhibiting symptoms. She may sleep better at her sister's place because emotionally she feels safer and that ameliorates the anxiety, confusion and distress of sundowning. I would try to contact any family she has, be patient and calm with her if interacting to minimise her stress (and risk of escalating), install cameras, and feel very comfortable calling police and APS as needed. (Source - am sleep disorders specialist) ETA: If you have eyelet or hook curtains, you can get blackout inserts from soft furnishing stores (i.e. Dunelm in UK).
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The police told you just about all you need to know. The light cant be on. She sounds like some crazy pseudo science spiritualist nutcase. Let her sprinkle her salt, hang her dream catchers, and burn her anti-demon candles. As long as her, and the effects of her craziness stays off your property, id say let it go. Something else happens, call the cops again. Meanwhile, id stop talking to her. If she thinks you're a demon from the 9th circle of satan's asshole, make like Elsa from Disney's hit movie Aladdin, and Let It Go.
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85g3if
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legaladvice_train
| 0.97 |
Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvxumy2
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dvxlvht
| 1,521,468,048 | 1,521,453,303 | 53 | 9 |
There is a thing called "sundowning" which occurs in Dementia/Alzheimer's. Google will tell you all about It. It is a slow creep as with all aspects of neurodegenerative disease. She very much seems to be exhibiting symptoms. She may sleep better at her sister's place because emotionally she feels safer and that ameliorates the anxiety, confusion and distress of sundowning. I would try to contact any family she has, be patient and calm with her if interacting to minimise her stress (and risk of escalating), install cameras, and feel very comfortable calling police and APS as needed. (Source - am sleep disorders specialist) ETA: If you have eyelet or hook curtains, you can get blackout inserts from soft furnishing stores (i.e. Dunelm in UK).
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Blackout curtains are totally legal, if a tad expensive.
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85g3if
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legaladvice_train
| 0.97 |
Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvxumy2
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dvxbsod
| 1,521,468,048 | 1,521,431,906 | 53 | 3 |
There is a thing called "sundowning" which occurs in Dementia/Alzheimer's. Google will tell you all about It. It is a slow creep as with all aspects of neurodegenerative disease. She very much seems to be exhibiting symptoms. She may sleep better at her sister's place because emotionally she feels safer and that ameliorates the anxiety, confusion and distress of sundowning. I would try to contact any family she has, be patient and calm with her if interacting to minimise her stress (and risk of escalating), install cameras, and feel very comfortable calling police and APS as needed. (Source - am sleep disorders specialist) ETA: If you have eyelet or hook curtains, you can get blackout inserts from soft furnishing stores (i.e. Dunelm in UK).
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Old people do all sorts of weird things for whatever reason, maybe it's all the time on their hands and loneliness. I don't think she's crazy, it sounds like she's just weird and trying to get a rise out of you maybe. I would set up security cameras and document whatever weird things she'll continue to do.
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85g3if
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legaladvice_train
| 0.97 |
Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvxocei
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dvxqb46
| 1,521,458,966 | 1,521,462,418 | 39 | 47 |
I would also suggest- if she continues doing weird things keeping a written log of dates, times, what happened and how. This will if you have legal problems further down the road, show a record of erratic behavior. And as several other people suggested, security cameras, and etc. Another good question to ask is this- how in the hell is she always certain she knows when you are gone? I mean that's not really stalker-y, but it is cutting it close. Either she really is keeping tabs on you, via like making sure your vehicle is gone, or she is concluding you are gone because that is what her mind tells her. There is a big difference, and it still smacks of creepy.
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The Illinois Department on Aging has a hotline you can call to discuss questions like this. Your neighbor may have family, but they are unaware of her bizarre behavior. Here is the link to the site, and they can direct you from there, or you can at least document what is going on. This doesn't sound malicious, it sounds like she is getting confused and/or losing mental faculties. https://www2.illinois.gov/aging/ProtectionAdvocacy/Pages/abuse.aspx Good luck!
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Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvxqb46
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dvxdqf2
| 1,521,462,418 | 1,521,434,700 | 47 | 19 |
The Illinois Department on Aging has a hotline you can call to discuss questions like this. Your neighbor may have family, but they are unaware of her bizarre behavior. Here is the link to the site, and they can direct you from there, or you can at least document what is going on. This doesn't sound malicious, it sounds like she is getting confused and/or losing mental faculties. https://www2.illinois.gov/aging/ProtectionAdvocacy/Pages/abuse.aspx Good luck!
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The police told you just about all you need to know. The light cant be on. She sounds like some crazy pseudo science spiritualist nutcase. Let her sprinkle her salt, hang her dream catchers, and burn her anti-demon candles. As long as her, and the effects of her craziness stays off your property, id say let it go. Something else happens, call the cops again. Meanwhile, id stop talking to her. If she thinks you're a demon from the 9th circle of satan's asshole, make like Elsa from Disney's hit movie Aladdin, and Let It Go.
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85g3if
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legaladvice_train
| 0.97 |
Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvxqb46
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dvxlvht
| 1,521,462,418 | 1,521,453,303 | 47 | 9 |
The Illinois Department on Aging has a hotline you can call to discuss questions like this. Your neighbor may have family, but they are unaware of her bizarre behavior. Here is the link to the site, and they can direct you from there, or you can at least document what is going on. This doesn't sound malicious, it sounds like she is getting confused and/or losing mental faculties. https://www2.illinois.gov/aging/ProtectionAdvocacy/Pages/abuse.aspx Good luck!
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Blackout curtains are totally legal, if a tad expensive.
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85g3if
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legaladvice_train
| 0.97 |
Problem with neighbor intentionally flashing a strobe light in my bedroom window [IL] Hi all, this may be a little different than what is posted here, but the folks at /r/HomeOwners advised me to post here too. Here is my problem: I have lived in my house for 2.5 years and have a great relationship with my neighbors, no issues until now. Last night at 4:30AM my girlfriend and I awoke to a strobe light pointed at my bedroom windows. Our houses are only 8ft apart, as it is an urban area. The neighbor who was doing this is elderly, in her late 80s, and lives alone. The strobe was pointed directly at my window, and appeared to be one of these "disorientation strobes" based on the frequency, size, and brightness. It made me a little nauseous looking at it when I woke up. At first we thought this was some sort of visual alarm (like they have for fire alarms for people that are hard of hearing), so I called the police to check on her. The light was turned off after the police came, and all was good. This morning, I gave my neighbor a call to make sure everything was OK. She became very wishy-washy with me, and eventually said she has a problem with me. I tried asking her what the problem was, and if there was anything I could do to fix it. She never said what the issue was, except that there was a “bad force” coming from my house and the light was there to help her sleep at night. She then continued to say that she notices whenever I am home, she has problems sleeping, but when I am away (I stay at my girlfriends 2-3 nights a week, and travel often) she doesn't. She said she goes to her sisters house and has no problems sleeping. I was confused how this strobe was going to help. During the conversation, she elaborated that we live in an urban area and there are many things that impact her sleep. I asked if it was my security light on a sensor in the back (it points away from her house, towards my garage, but some light from it does hit her back yard because our lots are only 25ft wide). I could not get a clear answer. She then said the police told her she must discontinue use of the light, but she will continue to take other actions as necessary. This started to bother me. I’m very confused by this, and I got a little short with her at the end; no swearing or anything, just a bit angered that she would do this intentionally. I basically told her I have been nothing but nice to her, and this is not a neighborly thing to do, then hung up. The conversation lasted 5-6 minutes. What should I do? It almost sounds to me like she has dementia. I've had one or two odd interactions with her in the past (not remembering who I was when saying hi, seeing her pick through her garbage cans). I am more worried for her own health than anything. Do I call the police? Call adult protective services? This seems so premeditated which has me puzzled. Just last month I talked to her on the phone, and she was very thankful that I shoveled her snow. She also called 3 weeks ago to inform me that my downspout diverter had been blown off, and no other indication of her being angry with me. Any ideas?
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dvxqb46
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dvxbsod
| 1,521,462,418 | 1,521,431,906 | 47 | 3 |
The Illinois Department on Aging has a hotline you can call to discuss questions like this. Your neighbor may have family, but they are unaware of her bizarre behavior. Here is the link to the site, and they can direct you from there, or you can at least document what is going on. This doesn't sound malicious, it sounds like she is getting confused and/or losing mental faculties. https://www2.illinois.gov/aging/ProtectionAdvocacy/Pages/abuse.aspx Good luck!
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Old people do all sorts of weird things for whatever reason, maybe it's all the time on their hands and loneliness. I don't think she's crazy, it sounds like she's just weird and trying to get a rise out of you maybe. I would set up security cameras and document whatever weird things she'll continue to do.
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