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a0lvuk
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My dad goes to pain management for his back pain and he is prescribed 150 hydrocodones per month. He's been running out and saying the pharmacy must be shorting him which we laughed off as they are usually pretty tight. Today we found out they may have been for a while. explanation underneath. As I said he gets 150 hydrocodones per month and has said when he ran out early that they must have shorted him. His memory isnt what it used to be so we chalked it up to him doubling up accidentally when he forgot he just took one. Well today we picked up his script for him and counted it and it was the full 150. then he pulled out the bottle they gave him last month which was a smaller bottle. We then tried to put the 150 in there and they didnt fit at all we still had 10 or 15 in our hand. It is the same pill, not a different brand that may be smaller. I'm obviously fucking pissed as he's been in pain for the last part of the month here lately as hes running out while taking his prescribed dose. He doesnt want to call the cops and from here on out i am going to let him call in his own refill so they think its him picking it up then i am going to go with him. But, is there any anonymous way for me to have that pharmacy audited or reported for their shady practices? I'm in North Carolina.
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eaimg1z
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eaj8oy8
| 1,543,256,730 | 1,543,273,105 | 20 | 260 |
Ask the pharmacy to pull their stock numbers. They can compare what was dispensed versus what was written. May have been an honest mistake.
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This is called diversion. It is a HUGE problem in pharmacies. Do not call the pharmacy. Report them directly to the state board of pharmacy. Request a meeting with an investigator, show them the bottle and the pills. The DEA will be notified and they will, almost immediately, conduct an inspection of the pharmacy, including a comprehensive review of all of their Controlled Substances. This is a felony and, if this is happening, it will cause the pharmacist to have their license either suspended or placed under administrative review. It could possibly lead to the pharmacy being shut down as well. Again, I cannot stress to you enough, do not contact the pharmacy. This is a criminal matter that needs to be addressed by a pharmacy board.
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a0lvuk
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My dad goes to pain management for his back pain and he is prescribed 150 hydrocodones per month. He's been running out and saying the pharmacy must be shorting him which we laughed off as they are usually pretty tight. Today we found out they may have been for a while. explanation underneath. As I said he gets 150 hydrocodones per month and has said when he ran out early that they must have shorted him. His memory isnt what it used to be so we chalked it up to him doubling up accidentally when he forgot he just took one. Well today we picked up his script for him and counted it and it was the full 150. then he pulled out the bottle they gave him last month which was a smaller bottle. We then tried to put the 150 in there and they didnt fit at all we still had 10 or 15 in our hand. It is the same pill, not a different brand that may be smaller. I'm obviously fucking pissed as he's been in pain for the last part of the month here lately as hes running out while taking his prescribed dose. He doesnt want to call the cops and from here on out i am going to let him call in his own refill so they think its him picking it up then i am going to go with him. But, is there any anonymous way for me to have that pharmacy audited or reported for their shady practices? I'm in North Carolina.
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eaj8oy8
| 1,543,263,702 | 1,543,273,105 | 12 | 260 |
Here's what could have happened, the pharmacy didn't have enough pills and did a partial refill. Now they should have told your dad they didn't have enough to complete the refill but would contact him when they did. This would explain the smaller bottle. My pharmacy usually writes it on the label. Usually looks like refill 20/30 owe 10 and then verbally tell me they will text me when they have the rest. I don't have to pay a co-pay when I pick up the I.O.U. bottle. Talk to the head pharmacist or the manager to see if this is what happened. Don't be a jerk when you talk to them, that is the best way to get them pissed at you and tell your dad to take his business elsewhere. Best way to approach it is "hey it seems like we are a few pills short, why?" Also that the pharmacist know it happened the month before and there was no explanation. Don't accuse them of doing it on purpose it could be a miscount on the part of the person counting the pills out. Or it could be they don't have enough in stock to complete the fill and they will let you know when they get more in.
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This is called diversion. It is a HUGE problem in pharmacies. Do not call the pharmacy. Report them directly to the state board of pharmacy. Request a meeting with an investigator, show them the bottle and the pills. The DEA will be notified and they will, almost immediately, conduct an inspection of the pharmacy, including a comprehensive review of all of their Controlled Substances. This is a felony and, if this is happening, it will cause the pharmacist to have their license either suspended or placed under administrative review. It could possibly lead to the pharmacy being shut down as well. Again, I cannot stress to you enough, do not contact the pharmacy. This is a criminal matter that needs to be addressed by a pharmacy board.
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a0lvuk
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My dad goes to pain management for his back pain and he is prescribed 150 hydrocodones per month. He's been running out and saying the pharmacy must be shorting him which we laughed off as they are usually pretty tight. Today we found out they may have been for a while. explanation underneath. As I said he gets 150 hydrocodones per month and has said when he ran out early that they must have shorted him. His memory isnt what it used to be so we chalked it up to him doubling up accidentally when he forgot he just took one. Well today we picked up his script for him and counted it and it was the full 150. then he pulled out the bottle they gave him last month which was a smaller bottle. We then tried to put the 150 in there and they didnt fit at all we still had 10 or 15 in our hand. It is the same pill, not a different brand that may be smaller. I'm obviously fucking pissed as he's been in pain for the last part of the month here lately as hes running out while taking his prescribed dose. He doesnt want to call the cops and from here on out i am going to let him call in his own refill so they think its him picking it up then i am going to go with him. But, is there any anonymous way for me to have that pharmacy audited or reported for their shady practices? I'm in North Carolina.
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eaixkr3
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eaj8oy8
| 1,543,264,713 | 1,543,273,105 | 6 | 260 |
He may have just had a smaller bottle because it was given to him in multiples. When i was in PM, i could get my entire scrip in two different sized bottles. They will typically mark off the QTY with what they gave me.
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This is called diversion. It is a HUGE problem in pharmacies. Do not call the pharmacy. Report them directly to the state board of pharmacy. Request a meeting with an investigator, show them the bottle and the pills. The DEA will be notified and they will, almost immediately, conduct an inspection of the pharmacy, including a comprehensive review of all of their Controlled Substances. This is a felony and, if this is happening, it will cause the pharmacist to have their license either suspended or placed under administrative review. It could possibly lead to the pharmacy being shut down as well. Again, I cannot stress to you enough, do not contact the pharmacy. This is a criminal matter that needs to be addressed by a pharmacy board.
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a0lvuk
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legaladvice_train
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My dad goes to pain management for his back pain and he is prescribed 150 hydrocodones per month. He's been running out and saying the pharmacy must be shorting him which we laughed off as they are usually pretty tight. Today we found out they may have been for a while. explanation underneath. As I said he gets 150 hydrocodones per month and has said when he ran out early that they must have shorted him. His memory isnt what it used to be so we chalked it up to him doubling up accidentally when he forgot he just took one. Well today we picked up his script for him and counted it and it was the full 150. then he pulled out the bottle they gave him last month which was a smaller bottle. We then tried to put the 150 in there and they didnt fit at all we still had 10 or 15 in our hand. It is the same pill, not a different brand that may be smaller. I'm obviously fucking pissed as he's been in pain for the last part of the month here lately as hes running out while taking his prescribed dose. He doesnt want to call the cops and from here on out i am going to let him call in his own refill so they think its him picking it up then i am going to go with him. But, is there any anonymous way for me to have that pharmacy audited or reported for their shady practices? I'm in North Carolina.
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eaimg1z
| 1,543,259,063 | 1,543,256,730 | 64 | 20 |
Definitely speak to the pharmacy manager. You'll get the most traction if you present this as it is : a confusion and potential gap in medicine coverage for a patient. I urge you to tiptoe around accusations on first pass, the pharmacy will be a lot more willing to play ball if you use a light touch.
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Ask the pharmacy to pull their stock numbers. They can compare what was dispensed versus what was written. May have been an honest mistake.
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a0lvuk
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legaladvice_train
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My dad goes to pain management for his back pain and he is prescribed 150 hydrocodones per month. He's been running out and saying the pharmacy must be shorting him which we laughed off as they are usually pretty tight. Today we found out they may have been for a while. explanation underneath. As I said he gets 150 hydrocodones per month and has said when he ran out early that they must have shorted him. His memory isnt what it used to be so we chalked it up to him doubling up accidentally when he forgot he just took one. Well today we picked up his script for him and counted it and it was the full 150. then he pulled out the bottle they gave him last month which was a smaller bottle. We then tried to put the 150 in there and they didnt fit at all we still had 10 or 15 in our hand. It is the same pill, not a different brand that may be smaller. I'm obviously fucking pissed as he's been in pain for the last part of the month here lately as hes running out while taking his prescribed dose. He doesnt want to call the cops and from here on out i am going to let him call in his own refill so they think its him picking it up then i am going to go with him. But, is there any anonymous way for me to have that pharmacy audited or reported for their shady practices? I'm in North Carolina.
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eaixkr3
| 1,543,285,480 | 1,543,264,713 | 10 | 6 |
Go with him, tape the transaction, no edits, open the sack on a bench, again, no stopping the camera, have something like a shoebox lid, and a butter knife, count the pills on camera. If you’re short, go back to the pharmacist, tell them what you found. The danger is, addicts lie, and thieves lie, your goal here is to find out who’s lying without seeming like an ass, and provide evidence if it’s the pharmacy. I’ve been an RN for decades and seen pharmacies cover up their mistakes many many times. Do not give them the bottles, pills, etc, trust me, they’ll disappear quickly. Conversely, I’ve had them save my ass many times as well. Good luck, and get your dad off that crap.
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He may have just had a smaller bottle because it was given to him in multiples. When i was in PM, i could get my entire scrip in two different sized bottles. They will typically mark off the QTY with what they gave me.
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a0lvuk
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legaladvice_train
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My dad goes to pain management for his back pain and he is prescribed 150 hydrocodones per month. He's been running out and saying the pharmacy must be shorting him which we laughed off as they are usually pretty tight. Today we found out they may have been for a while. explanation underneath. As I said he gets 150 hydrocodones per month and has said when he ran out early that they must have shorted him. His memory isnt what it used to be so we chalked it up to him doubling up accidentally when he forgot he just took one. Well today we picked up his script for him and counted it and it was the full 150. then he pulled out the bottle they gave him last month which was a smaller bottle. We then tried to put the 150 in there and they didnt fit at all we still had 10 or 15 in our hand. It is the same pill, not a different brand that may be smaller. I'm obviously fucking pissed as he's been in pain for the last part of the month here lately as hes running out while taking his prescribed dose. He doesnt want to call the cops and from here on out i am going to let him call in his own refill so they think its him picking it up then i am going to go with him. But, is there any anonymous way for me to have that pharmacy audited or reported for their shady practices? I'm in North Carolina.
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eaixkr3
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eajvkg8
| 1,543,264,713 | 1,543,294,076 | 6 | 7 |
He may have just had a smaller bottle because it was given to him in multiples. When i was in PM, i could get my entire scrip in two different sized bottles. They will typically mark off the QTY with what they gave me.
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If you truly believe the pharmacy is shady, the Board of Pharmacy is your recourse, but don't run to the BoP first! The first recourse should be to actually return to the pharmacy and speak to the pharmacist. Don't do this over the phone, and keep in mind that the pharmacy may be skeptical at first; "you shorted me on my Norco" is unfortunately a refrain that many patients claim even when they haven't been. 150 oblong white Norco (most common generic) would fit in a 30-40 dram vial - probably a 40 dram. This would be a fatter cylindrical vial, not the tall skinny ones that people usually think of when they see prescription bottles. Did he get a tall skinny vial the first time out? If so, the pharmacist will know immediately something's wrong. However, I could see them putting it in a 30 dram, realizing it didn't fit entirely, and putting the overflow in a skinny vial, so it might still be possible if you only have a smaller vial. When dispensing a narcotic like hydrocodone, generally only the pharmacist touches the count, but note that some stores will allow techs to do it; it's highly dependent on the pharmacy. There will be records of who counted it, and most pharmacists will initial the bottle indicating a double count has occurred. The pharmacist has to count out your father's pills twice, then perform a back count of the pills on hand to make sure that the records balance; the record has to balance to the tablet. The pharmacy will have records of what was dispensed, when, and how many they should have on hand; however, since this occurred a full month ago, that will make things more difficult. Also check to see if they use an automated counter; some of them can image the pills and store it so they could show you an image of exactly what they dispensed. In any case, the pharmacy can count down what they have in stock and verify what they should have on hand against what they do have on hand; with luck, it shows a discrepancy, and they know they shorted him medication. If there's no discrepancy, I wouldn't expect to get any extra pills. I don't think the pharmacy is purposefully being shady: Norco is cheap, so it's not like they're saving money; most any pharmacist isn't going to risk their license through diversion; and counting mistakes, although rare with C2s, do happen. Also, C2s are heavily monitored, and there are a metric fuckton of cameras in any corporately-owned pharmacy. Is this an independent or a major chain, btw? There are three major options here: either a tech is stealing (unlikely if a pharmacist is doing the count, since the tech would never have the chance to handle the meds), someone made a counting error, or the medication was filled in two bottles and your father has lost one. A fourth option might be a partial; I don't believe a partial fill is likely, but the pharmacy could tell you if one had been done. Again, a BoP complaint is your recourse if you truly believe something shady has happened, but you need to go talk to the pharmacy first. Going forward, I would ask them to have at least 2 people count independently and initial the bottle. (I did this for a patient who claimed perpetual short; we ended up having 4 separate people initial the bottle every month. Turned out a family member was diverting after the meds left the pharmacy.) While requesting an in-person count is also an option, in my experience, everyone who's ever requested their meds be counted in front of them got tired of it after 1-2 months, since it decreases convenience of checkout and means you can't use drive-through.
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a0lvuk
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My dad goes to pain management for his back pain and he is prescribed 150 hydrocodones per month. He's been running out and saying the pharmacy must be shorting him which we laughed off as they are usually pretty tight. Today we found out they may have been for a while. explanation underneath. As I said he gets 150 hydrocodones per month and has said when he ran out early that they must have shorted him. His memory isnt what it used to be so we chalked it up to him doubling up accidentally when he forgot he just took one. Well today we picked up his script for him and counted it and it was the full 150. then he pulled out the bottle they gave him last month which was a smaller bottle. We then tried to put the 150 in there and they didnt fit at all we still had 10 or 15 in our hand. It is the same pill, not a different brand that may be smaller. I'm obviously fucking pissed as he's been in pain for the last part of the month here lately as hes running out while taking his prescribed dose. He doesnt want to call the cops and from here on out i am going to let him call in his own refill so they think its him picking it up then i am going to go with him. But, is there any anonymous way for me to have that pharmacy audited or reported for their shady practices? I'm in North Carolina.
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eajvkg8
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eajpely
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If you truly believe the pharmacy is shady, the Board of Pharmacy is your recourse, but don't run to the BoP first! The first recourse should be to actually return to the pharmacy and speak to the pharmacist. Don't do this over the phone, and keep in mind that the pharmacy may be skeptical at first; "you shorted me on my Norco" is unfortunately a refrain that many patients claim even when they haven't been. 150 oblong white Norco (most common generic) would fit in a 30-40 dram vial - probably a 40 dram. This would be a fatter cylindrical vial, not the tall skinny ones that people usually think of when they see prescription bottles. Did he get a tall skinny vial the first time out? If so, the pharmacist will know immediately something's wrong. However, I could see them putting it in a 30 dram, realizing it didn't fit entirely, and putting the overflow in a skinny vial, so it might still be possible if you only have a smaller vial. When dispensing a narcotic like hydrocodone, generally only the pharmacist touches the count, but note that some stores will allow techs to do it; it's highly dependent on the pharmacy. There will be records of who counted it, and most pharmacists will initial the bottle indicating a double count has occurred. The pharmacist has to count out your father's pills twice, then perform a back count of the pills on hand to make sure that the records balance; the record has to balance to the tablet. The pharmacy will have records of what was dispensed, when, and how many they should have on hand; however, since this occurred a full month ago, that will make things more difficult. Also check to see if they use an automated counter; some of them can image the pills and store it so they could show you an image of exactly what they dispensed. In any case, the pharmacy can count down what they have in stock and verify what they should have on hand against what they do have on hand; with luck, it shows a discrepancy, and they know they shorted him medication. If there's no discrepancy, I wouldn't expect to get any extra pills. I don't think the pharmacy is purposefully being shady: Norco is cheap, so it's not like they're saving money; most any pharmacist isn't going to risk their license through diversion; and counting mistakes, although rare with C2s, do happen. Also, C2s are heavily monitored, and there are a metric fuckton of cameras in any corporately-owned pharmacy. Is this an independent or a major chain, btw? There are three major options here: either a tech is stealing (unlikely if a pharmacist is doing the count, since the tech would never have the chance to handle the meds), someone made a counting error, or the medication was filled in two bottles and your father has lost one. A fourth option might be a partial; I don't believe a partial fill is likely, but the pharmacy could tell you if one had been done. Again, a BoP complaint is your recourse if you truly believe something shady has happened, but you need to go talk to the pharmacy first. Going forward, I would ask them to have at least 2 people count independently and initial the bottle. (I did this for a patient who claimed perpetual short; we ended up having 4 separate people initial the bottle every month. Turned out a family member was diverting after the meds left the pharmacy.) While requesting an in-person count is also an option, in my experience, everyone who's ever requested their meds be counted in front of them got tired of it after 1-2 months, since it decreases convenience of checkout and means you can't use drive-through.
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I would take no more pills from them without making them count them in front of you first
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3e61zy
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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ctbugw1
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Stop asking other people if you should call the police and just call the damn police. You have to take responsibility for your own safety. This man could kill you if you don't take proper measures. Also, if he's on probation, he's not supposed to be homeless. After the call to the police, call the local probation office and tell them about the violent homeless man who's living in the alley. This is very easy to take care of. You just have to do it.
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not a lawyer at all, but i'd like to think Andy's PO would be interested in learning that Andy is now homeless. Also, i'd like to think that since you're fearing for your safety you're well within your rights to contact the police about this
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3e61zy
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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Stop asking other people if you should call the police and just call the damn police. You have to take responsibility for your own safety. This man could kill you if you don't take proper measures. Also, if he's on probation, he's not supposed to be homeless. After the call to the police, call the local probation office and tell them about the violent homeless man who's living in the alley. This is very easy to take care of. You just have to do it.
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I am not a lawyer but first I agree trying to get a hold of his p.o would be a good idea. I think it would have also been good if you guys had called the police too, because it would have started a documented paper trail just on the off chance this guy does decide to stalk you or hurt you. Secondly, I see that you don't want to leave, but considering the circumstances could you at least ask your manager to help you transfer to a different location? You should also explain that is absolutely unacceptable to be letting this violent man who has shown clear infatuation that you said made you uncomfortable,not only loiter but live behind the building. Whether sternly or politely you could probably say if it goes unresolved you'll be talking to the HR department about how ridiculous this all is. Regardless, my advice would seriously be to quit (or transfer) (or hell just explain WHY you can't feel comfortable working there and ask nicely for their understanding and good reference so you can assure landing the next job) and call the police if anything like this happens again. You really want to have as much documented as possible just in case you need it.
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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I would start by talking to your general manager. Now that he has made a scene at your store, your general manager should be able to issue him a ban from entering, and call the police for trespassing if he violates the ban. Other than that, there isn't much you can do. Police aren't going to do much about an incident like this, because there were no direct threats, no weapons, and nothing beyond the store management's ability to handle.
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Stop asking other people if you should call the police and just call the damn police. You have to take responsibility for your own safety. This man could kill you if you don't take proper measures. Also, if he's on probation, he's not supposed to be homeless. After the call to the police, call the local probation office and tell them about the violent homeless man who's living in the alley. This is very easy to take care of. You just have to do it.
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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Are there cameras in the store? You can probably get the film and send it to his probation officer.
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Stop asking other people if you should call the police and just call the damn police. You have to take responsibility for your own safety. This man could kill you if you don't take proper measures. Also, if he's on probation, he's not supposed to be homeless. After the call to the police, call the local probation office and tell them about the violent homeless man who's living in the alley. This is very easy to take care of. You just have to do it.
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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ctc0nr3
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I am not a lawyer but first I agree trying to get a hold of his p.o would be a good idea. I think it would have also been good if you guys had called the police too, because it would have started a documented paper trail just on the off chance this guy does decide to stalk you or hurt you. Secondly, I see that you don't want to leave, but considering the circumstances could you at least ask your manager to help you transfer to a different location? You should also explain that is absolutely unacceptable to be letting this violent man who has shown clear infatuation that you said made you uncomfortable,not only loiter but live behind the building. Whether sternly or politely you could probably say if it goes unresolved you'll be talking to the HR department about how ridiculous this all is. Regardless, my advice would seriously be to quit (or transfer) (or hell just explain WHY you can't feel comfortable working there and ask nicely for their understanding and good reference so you can assure landing the next job) and call the police if anything like this happens again. You really want to have as much documented as possible just in case you need it.
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call the local police stations' non-emergency number (you can find it on google) and report this. They will know who his parole officer is and will be interested to know that he's now homeless and harassing someone. Erratic behaviour like this could also be indicative of drug use which would, presumably, be a violation of his parole. As far as your job being under threat - make the call from your home or personal cell, speak to the police on your own time. And in a situation like this it's hardly likely they'll dismiss you. As far as the information getting back to the person who broke the law - any other person in the store who saw him acting as he did could have called the police and if he approaches/threatens you then THAT will be an outright act of aggression and harassment. And if you report *that* then he will almost definitely be in violation of his parole.
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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call the local police stations' non-emergency number (you can find it on google) and report this. They will know who his parole officer is and will be interested to know that he's now homeless and harassing someone. Erratic behaviour like this could also be indicative of drug use which would, presumably, be a violation of his parole. As far as your job being under threat - make the call from your home or personal cell, speak to the police on your own time. And in a situation like this it's hardly likely they'll dismiss you. As far as the information getting back to the person who broke the law - any other person in the store who saw him acting as he did could have called the police and if he approaches/threatens you then THAT will be an outright act of aggression and harassment. And if you report *that* then he will almost definitely be in violation of his parole.
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I would start by talking to your general manager. Now that he has made a scene at your store, your general manager should be able to issue him a ban from entering, and call the police for trespassing if he violates the ban. Other than that, there isn't much you can do. Police aren't going to do much about an incident like this, because there were no direct threats, no weapons, and nothing beyond the store management's ability to handle.
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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ctc0nr3
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Are there cameras in the store? You can probably get the film and send it to his probation officer.
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call the local police stations' non-emergency number (you can find it on google) and report this. They will know who his parole officer is and will be interested to know that he's now homeless and harassing someone. Erratic behaviour like this could also be indicative of drug use which would, presumably, be a violation of his parole. As far as your job being under threat - make the call from your home or personal cell, speak to the police on your own time. And in a situation like this it's hardly likely they'll dismiss you. As far as the information getting back to the person who broke the law - any other person in the store who saw him acting as he did could have called the police and if he approaches/threatens you then THAT will be an outright act of aggression and harassment. And if you report *that* then he will almost definitely be in violation of his parole.
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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ctbxci7
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> I asked Jay if I should call the police. If this happens in the future don't ask, just call.
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I am not a lawyer but first I agree trying to get a hold of his p.o would be a good idea. I think it would have also been good if you guys had called the police too, because it would have started a documented paper trail just on the off chance this guy does decide to stalk you or hurt you. Secondly, I see that you don't want to leave, but considering the circumstances could you at least ask your manager to help you transfer to a different location? You should also explain that is absolutely unacceptable to be letting this violent man who has shown clear infatuation that you said made you uncomfortable,not only loiter but live behind the building. Whether sternly or politely you could probably say if it goes unresolved you'll be talking to the HR department about how ridiculous this all is. Regardless, my advice would seriously be to quit (or transfer) (or hell just explain WHY you can't feel comfortable working there and ask nicely for their understanding and good reference so you can assure landing the next job) and call the police if anything like this happens again. You really want to have as much documented as possible just in case you need it.
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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I would start by talking to your general manager. Now that he has made a scene at your store, your general manager should be able to issue him a ban from entering, and call the police for trespassing if he violates the ban. Other than that, there isn't much you can do. Police aren't going to do much about an incident like this, because there were no direct threats, no weapons, and nothing beyond the store management's ability to handle.
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> I asked Jay if I should call the police. If this happens in the future don't ask, just call.
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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ctc1u8w
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Are there cameras in the store? You can probably get the film and send it to his probation officer.
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> I asked Jay if I should call the police. If this happens in the future don't ask, just call.
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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I would start by talking to your general manager. Now that he has made a scene at your store, your general manager should be able to issue him a ban from entering, and call the police for trespassing if he violates the ban. Other than that, there isn't much you can do. Police aren't going to do much about an incident like this, because there were no direct threats, no weapons, and nothing beyond the store management's ability to handle.
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I am not a lawyer but first I agree trying to get a hold of his p.o would be a good idea. I think it would have also been good if you guys had called the police too, because it would have started a documented paper trail just on the off chance this guy does decide to stalk you or hurt you. Secondly, I see that you don't want to leave, but considering the circumstances could you at least ask your manager to help you transfer to a different location? You should also explain that is absolutely unacceptable to be letting this violent man who has shown clear infatuation that you said made you uncomfortable,not only loiter but live behind the building. Whether sternly or politely you could probably say if it goes unresolved you'll be talking to the HR department about how ridiculous this all is. Regardless, my advice would seriously be to quit (or transfer) (or hell just explain WHY you can't feel comfortable working there and ask nicely for their understanding and good reference so you can assure landing the next job) and call the police if anything like this happens again. You really want to have as much documented as possible just in case you need it.
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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Not a lawyer, but could this be grounds for a restraining order? At least with a RO you would have the ability to call the police for his mere presence at your job, vs. waiting for another violent meltdown.
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I think we can all agree that the only rational course of action is to call the police and deal with this immediate, life-threatening problem. Your real question, however, seems to be more about how to handle the general manager. I would propose that this isn't going to be a problem. How would she even know you did it? Don't talk yourself out of doing what you know you need to do.
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3e61zy
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UPDATE] Florida - A guy [25M] that I [20F] know is becoming increasing fixated on me. He is newly homeless and now lives in the alley right behind my workplace. I just found out he has a violent criminal record and I'm scared. I originally posted in Relationships three weeks ago, but the situation has changed such that I’m not sure if it fits there anymore, so I’m posting here as well. You can read the original [here. Summary of my last post: A recently-homeless man named Andy, who’s known the general manager since around 2010, moved into the small alley area right behind my work. He has an infatuation with me, and I had just found out he has a violent criminal record and is currently on probation. I adopted a lot of the safety tips/advice you guys gave me. I bought pepper spray, I have someone drive me home every night, I do my best to avoid him, I've made the shift managers + coworkers well aware that this guy makes me uncomfortable, I even bought and read “The Gift of Fear”. A lot of people were telling me to quit my job, but I decided against it. I contribute to the household expenses and need the money. I also came to feel that my coworkers have my back and I’m safe with them. Andy still hangs around but the shift managers, Jay and Eric, do not allow him inside. If the general manager is there, I just suck it up (she’s intimidating, I don’t think she likes me very much, and I don't know if she'd side with me over him). The only times I was near him were when I ran into him at another store. But although I’ve been doing my best to avoid him, a coworker told me a couple days ago that the guy is still “in love” with me and often comes around to see if I’m there. — Now, on to what happened Sunday night… It really began at around 8PM, when I threw a water bottle in the trash. It was one of those flimsy plastic bottles and it had been sitting there on the front counter for a couple of hours by that point. The trash bag was full, so one of my coworkers took it to the dumpster not too long after. At about 9:30PM, the store was dead and my coworkers were chilling out in the back-back of the store. Another coworker and I were chatting in the front. Andy walked in and asked if I’d seen a water bottle, and I told him that I’d thrown one away a while ago. His eyes got wide and he went, “WHAT! WHY?” I repeated what I said and told him I thought it was trash, but he cut me off and asked me which dumpster it was. I told him I didn’t know and he got very aggravated: “Why did you throw it away? What dumpster is it? I don’t care if I have to dig through the trash, I need that bottle!” Again, I said I didn’t know, but he kept demanding I tell him what dumpster it was. Jay heard the commotion and came to see what was wrong. He asked Andy what happened and Andy yelled, “She threw the water bottle away! That bottle is very sentimental to me. Camila [Claudia? I don’t remember] gave it to me!” I don’t remember much of the exchange they had, because it all happened so fast and I was scared. But basically, Jay was telling Andy to calm down and Andy wasnot having it. He was getting more and more aggravated and slammed both fists down on the side counter. It really sounded like two bowling balls being dropped. I figured that if he was going to lash out and hit somebody, it was going to be me for throwing away the water bottle, so I grabbed my phone and backed away right next to Jay. Jay told him to leave or he’s calling the police. Andy started full-on screaming at Jay. He kicked the counter hard, hit the top of the counter again with his fists, and then started to **punch himself in the face** while still screaming. I asked Jay if I should call the police. He didn’t respond, and told Andy in a firmer voice to leave. Andy yelled something and stormed out of the store, and Jay activated the locks on the doors so that he couldn't come in again. I was really shaken up and went to the back of the store to call my dad to ask for a ride home. The other workers were stunned; they had never seen Andy like this before. Jay told me he's going to speak to the general manager, but I haven't been to work since I don't know if anything's come of it. — So yeah. I don’t go back to work until Friday, so I have a few days to sort out what I want to do. But I don’t know what I want to do. I’m starting to wonder if the potential danger Andy poses now outweighs any positives that would come with keeping my job. I really don’t want to quit, but now I don’t feel safe walking in broad daylight to the shopping plaza my workplace is located at. I’ve decided that if he’s not gone within a few weeks, I’m going to have to give up on my job. I just want him to go. I feel like *he* should be the one leaving, not me. I want to call his probation officer and/or make a report with my police department, but I’m not sure if his probation officer can even do anything since I have no proof Andy broke his probation rules. But what worries me most is I doubt I'd be able to stay anonymous, because the information I give him/her would be so specific, and I’m worried that it’ll get back to Andy if I got law enforcement involved. What would you do? How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? I’m scared they'll dismiss my story. If anyone with any experience in this can help, that would be really great. **tl;dr**: Creepy homeless guy who’s infatuated with me had a violent meltdown at my workplace a couple nights ago. I want to get his probation officer (or the police) involved but I’m not sure how to go about doing that while still keeping my job as normal.
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>How would you go about making a report to the probation officer or police, in a way that ensures you're taken seriously? By calling 911 while he's throwing a fit in your store, and then explaining all of his other behavior. I can't for the life of me figure out why people are afraid to call the police but then want a police report filed. ETA: My coworker noticed a prowler lurking around in the dark outside of our office after I left one night. Later, when she pulled out of the parking lot, she noticed a car start up and then start following her. She ended up driving in circles to see if he was really following her. He was. She was able to lose him and got home safe. Then she called the police. The difference between "There's a prowler following me in my car and I'm scared," and "Someone followed me earlier" is pretty massive.
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Not a lawyer, but could this be grounds for a restraining order? At least with a RO you would have the ability to call the police for his mere presence at your job, vs. waiting for another violent meltdown.
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A neighbors dog attacked my cat. I think the owner will refuse to pay. My cat was attacked by a neighbor's dog a couple of weeks ago. He was laying in our backyard when the dog chased him out of our backyard and attacked him. There were at least three witnesses to this attack, at least one of which pulled the dog off of my cat. I immediately took him to an emergency vet. He has extreme injuries and trauma to his body, and has required specialist visits and overnight hospitalizations. He was just released and requires lots of medications and follow up visits. The owner initially offered to pay the vet bills but the bills are now tens of thousands of dollars, and I don't think he is going to pay. He ghosted me when I reached out today. This owner's dogs have a repeated history of escaping and roaming around the neighborhood off leash. This particular dog has also attacked at least one other pet in the community. If he refuses to pay, is there any legal standing that I can use to get him to pay by law? I'm really in the dark and just not sure how to proceed. Thank you.
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gu2z1ns
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Pet bites are covered by most homeowners insurance. Of course that only works if they are homeowners.
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Did you call the police and/or animal control on this dog? Will the witnesses give testimony? That dog should have been taken immediately. Is the dog current on rabies shots? There is so much going on here. I'd report to the police. I'd see if your home owner's insurance (USA) will help. I don't know if they cover this sort of thing. You can't rely on Small Claims Court as the limit you could get will be way below what your expenses have been.
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mo7zxp
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A neighbors dog attacked my cat. I think the owner will refuse to pay. My cat was attacked by a neighbor's dog a couple of weeks ago. He was laying in our backyard when the dog chased him out of our backyard and attacked him. There were at least three witnesses to this attack, at least one of which pulled the dog off of my cat. I immediately took him to an emergency vet. He has extreme injuries and trauma to his body, and has required specialist visits and overnight hospitalizations. He was just released and requires lots of medications and follow up visits. The owner initially offered to pay the vet bills but the bills are now tens of thousands of dollars, and I don't think he is going to pay. He ghosted me when I reached out today. This owner's dogs have a repeated history of escaping and roaming around the neighborhood off leash. This particular dog has also attacked at least one other pet in the community. If he refuses to pay, is there any legal standing that I can use to get him to pay by law? I'm really in the dark and just not sure how to proceed. Thank you.
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gu2uezw
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How did the dog get in the backyard? Is there not a fence? No offense but I don't think you'll find a judge who thinks a cat is worth tens of thousands of dollars
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Pet bites are covered by most homeowners insurance. Of course that only works if they are homeowners.
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My catalytic converters have been stolen twice in the past 2 months at my apartment. Is there an avenue I can take to get out of my lease without paying the lease break fee? I live in Texas and have had my catalytic converters stolen twice in the past couple of months. My apartment's parking garage is not gated and doesn't have any cameras. When asking the management office, they don't have any plans to add any cameras. They mentioned they were increasing foot patrol security though. The apartment complex is managed by a large property management company. Given where I live and the vehicle I drive, I don't think this will stop, even if I add catalytic converter protection plates due to the lack of cameras and the relative emptiness and lack of foot traffic in the garage. Police aren't going to do anything about it either. At this point, I think the best solution for me is to move, but the lease break fee is substantial. Is there an avenue I can take to either work with the apartment to terminate my lease amicably and is there a legal avenue I can take to terminate my lease with low/no cost? ​ Thank you in advance!
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The landlord has little, if any, control over random crime spilling over onto their property, so things like this do not affect your obligations under your lease. If your lease says you're entitled to X, Y, and Z security measures, and X, Y, or Z doesn't actually exist or you're not being provided those entitlements, that may be one thing -- but simply living in a crime-prone area and having that crime spill over onto the complex's property generally isn't a reason to break a lease -- otherwise all leases for apartment complexes on "the bad side of town" would functionally be useless pieces of paper.
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You do not have grounds to break your lease without penalty.
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7sh4aj
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Just discovered that my roommate and I have been paying electric for the laundry room of my apartment building for the past 5 years. What can we do? We live in a historic home in Florida that was turned into a three unit apartment building. There are surrounding buildings that use the laundry room. Probably 20-30 units all together. The machines are used constantly, even at odd hours like 4am. I knew something was up because we pay double what the neighbors do in electric and they have their ACs and heat running constantly, whereas we don't even have heat in our unit. We made this discovery because today our power got shut off. I guess our payment for last month was declined and we didn't realize it. We called the electric company and confirmed this is why our power is off and there is no outage. When our power went out we had laundry running. We went downstairs to check it and realized the power was completely out down there too. We did a rough calculation and it comes to a few grand over the course of five years that came out of our pockets. Is there anything we can do? My roommate doesn't want to say anything to them until after we renew our lease next week.
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dt5gngf
| 1,516,759,635 | 1,516,766,715 | 13 | 15 |
Have you checked your lease to make sure it didn't address this?
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Florida law has treble damages for civil theft, which includes electrical theft such as this. You can be agreeable and come to some sort of resolution with them, or you can demand treble damages. As others have mentioned, do double-check your lease to see whether this was disclosed.
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e7ohlh
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A clothing company I used to work for is now sending me a cease and desist letter for using designs they rejected (MI) So I used to work for a clothing company, and I submitted several designs to them they rejected and never used. I have since quit, and started using the designs I made myself they didn’t use. Recently they have contacted me threatening with a cease and desist. This is what my employment contract stated about non-compete/confidentiality. > Each party (on its behalf and on behalf of its subcontractors, employees or representatives, or agents of any kind) agrees to hold and treat all confidential information of the other party, including, but not limited to, trade secrets, sales figures, employee and customer information and any other information that the receiving party reasonably should know is confidential as confidential, and protect the information with the same degree of care as each party uses to protect its own confidential information. > The parties intend that, to the extent the deliverables or a portion of the deliverables qualify as a “work made for hire,” within the definition of Section 101 of the Copyright Act of the United States (17 U.S.C. § 101), it will be so deemed a work made for hire. > Confidential Information does not include any information that at the time of the disclosure or thereafter is lawfully obtained from publicly available sources generally known by the public (other than as a result of a disclosure by the receiving party or its representatives). None of the designs were made on company time or on company computers. The designs I’m currently using were designs they asked for when I started as a “baseline” for my work. They said if they liked them, they’d consider using them, but they never expressed interest in them. What can I do?
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fa5yim2
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I was able to use Lawyers for the Arts when I had some copyright issues at the dawn of the internet. There is something similar in Michigan - it’s worth a phone call to see if they can help. https://vlany.org/national-directory-of-volunteer-lawyers-for-the-arts/
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*The designs I’m currently using were designs they asked for when I started as a “baseline” for my work. They said if they liked them, they’d consider using them, but they never expressed interest in them.* ​ This is the line I'm having trouble with. Were you already hired and were specifically requested for this work? If so, this likely means they commissioned it from you and they don't *have* to use it but it does belong to them. Or is this *portfolio* work that they wanted to see to make sure you actually could do the job *before* offering you a permanent position? That will make a difference.
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e7ohlh
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A clothing company I used to work for is now sending me a cease and desist letter for using designs they rejected (MI) So I used to work for a clothing company, and I submitted several designs to them they rejected and never used. I have since quit, and started using the designs I made myself they didn’t use. Recently they have contacted me threatening with a cease and desist. This is what my employment contract stated about non-compete/confidentiality. > Each party (on its behalf and on behalf of its subcontractors, employees or representatives, or agents of any kind) agrees to hold and treat all confidential information of the other party, including, but not limited to, trade secrets, sales figures, employee and customer information and any other information that the receiving party reasonably should know is confidential as confidential, and protect the information with the same degree of care as each party uses to protect its own confidential information. > The parties intend that, to the extent the deliverables or a portion of the deliverables qualify as a “work made for hire,” within the definition of Section 101 of the Copyright Act of the United States (17 U.S.C. § 101), it will be so deemed a work made for hire. > Confidential Information does not include any information that at the time of the disclosure or thereafter is lawfully obtained from publicly available sources generally known by the public (other than as a result of a disclosure by the receiving party or its representatives). None of the designs were made on company time or on company computers. The designs I’m currently using were designs they asked for when I started as a “baseline” for my work. They said if they liked them, they’d consider using them, but they never expressed interest in them. What can I do?
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fa2hiiz
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*The designs I’m currently using were designs they asked for when I started as a “baseline” for my work. They said if they liked them, they’d consider using them, but they never expressed interest in them.* ​ This is the line I'm having trouble with. Were you already hired and were specifically requested for this work? If so, this likely means they commissioned it from you and they don't *have* to use it but it does belong to them. Or is this *portfolio* work that they wanted to see to make sure you actually could do the job *before* offering you a permanent position? That will make a difference.
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Was submitting the designs like a resume? Or is it your job to submit designs?
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e7ohlh
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legaladvice_train
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A clothing company I used to work for is now sending me a cease and desist letter for using designs they rejected (MI) So I used to work for a clothing company, and I submitted several designs to them they rejected and never used. I have since quit, and started using the designs I made myself they didn’t use. Recently they have contacted me threatening with a cease and desist. This is what my employment contract stated about non-compete/confidentiality. > Each party (on its behalf and on behalf of its subcontractors, employees or representatives, or agents of any kind) agrees to hold and treat all confidential information of the other party, including, but not limited to, trade secrets, sales figures, employee and customer information and any other information that the receiving party reasonably should know is confidential as confidential, and protect the information with the same degree of care as each party uses to protect its own confidential information. > The parties intend that, to the extent the deliverables or a portion of the deliverables qualify as a “work made for hire,” within the definition of Section 101 of the Copyright Act of the United States (17 U.S.C. § 101), it will be so deemed a work made for hire. > Confidential Information does not include any information that at the time of the disclosure or thereafter is lawfully obtained from publicly available sources generally known by the public (other than as a result of a disclosure by the receiving party or its representatives). None of the designs were made on company time or on company computers. The designs I’m currently using were designs they asked for when I started as a “baseline” for my work. They said if they liked them, they’d consider using them, but they never expressed interest in them. What can I do?
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fa2hiiz
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fa2n4bb
| 1,575,782,164 | 1,575,784,141 | 5 | 18 |
Was submitting the designs like a resume? Or is it your job to submit designs?
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I was able to use Lawyers for the Arts when I had some copyright issues at the dawn of the internet. There is something similar in Michigan - it’s worth a phone call to see if they can help. https://vlany.org/national-directory-of-volunteer-lawyers-for-the-arts/
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y76vqi
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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isszleu
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Knowing your state would be helpful. Continued employment is not sufficient consideration for a noncompete agreement in some states but it is in others. If you're in a state where it's not sufficient consideration that contract would not be enforceable
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You may want to consult with a lawyer that specializes in employment issues. The non-compete and them owing you 90k are two separate issues. Do you have in writing that they owe you 90k? If you don’t that may be hard to collect on. The non-compete may or may not be enforceable. It is contract and state specific. You can have a lawyer review it and explain to you what it means if you sign it. Inventions that you make while employed may be assumed to be the company’s property.
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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Presumably the company can fire you. But it depends on your location, your current agreement(s), and the nature of the acquisition.
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You may want to consult with a lawyer that specializes in employment issues. The non-compete and them owing you 90k are two separate issues. Do you have in writing that they owe you 90k? If you don’t that may be hard to collect on. The non-compete may or may not be enforceable. It is contract and state specific. You can have a lawyer review it and explain to you what it means if you sign it. Inventions that you make while employed may be assumed to be the company’s property.
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y76vqi
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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| 1,666,101,335 | 1,666,102,905 | 124 | 514 |
Knowing your state would be helpful. Continued employment is not sufficient consideration for a noncompete agreement in some states but it is in others. If you're in a state where it's not sufficient consideration that contract would not be enforceable
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You don’t have to sign, and they don’t have to keep you with the company. You should document everything related to the $90k, ideally in a location outside your companies email server. You could ask to get your compensation before signing, and while it seems like that would be the nice and easy route, it’s very possible they could say no. I would do your best to document in writing or recording (if one party consent state) the compensation owed.
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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| 1,666,099,242 | 1,666,102,905 | 8 | 514 |
Presumably the company can fire you. But it depends on your location, your current agreement(s), and the nature of the acquisition.
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You don’t have to sign, and they don’t have to keep you with the company. You should document everything related to the $90k, ideally in a location outside your companies email server. You could ask to get your compensation before signing, and while it seems like that would be the nice and easy route, it’s very possible they could say no. I would do your best to document in writing or recording (if one party consent state) the compensation owed.
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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issxduv
| 1,666,099,242 | 1,666,101,335 | 8 | 124 |
Presumably the company can fire you. But it depends on your location, your current agreement(s), and the nature of the acquisition.
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Knowing your state would be helpful. Continued employment is not sufficient consideration for a noncompete agreement in some states but it is in others. If you're in a state where it's not sufficient consideration that contract would not be enforceable
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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They owe you money that's a different issue than the contract. You can refuse to sign and they can refuse to employ you. I'd go to an employment lawyer.
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If I was owed 90K I wouldnt be coming to work much less signing anything. You left out too many details but you need to consult with a real lawyer not ask reddit.
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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ist8jc3
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Presumably the company can fire you. But it depends on your location, your current agreement(s), and the nature of the acquisition.
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If I was owed 90K I wouldnt be coming to work much less signing anything. You left out too many details but you need to consult with a real lawyer not ask reddit.
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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ist5qla
| 1,666,099,242 | 1,666,104,891 | 8 | 29 |
Presumably the company can fire you. But it depends on your location, your current agreement(s), and the nature of the acquisition.
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They owe you money that's a different issue than the contract. You can refuse to sign and they can refuse to employ you. I'd go to an employment lawyer.
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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Presumably the company can fire you. But it depends on your location, your current agreement(s), and the nature of the acquisition.
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Talk to a Lawyer if you believe $90k is in the balance.
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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You should consult with a labor lawyer. That said, it might be your opportunity to get a commitment in writing on the 90k they owe you. You could say that you're uncomfortable signing something that constrains your future earning potential, especially since you have concerns about the viability of the company based on their inability to pay you what they owe. They should have a business line of credit, and paying you what you are legally owed will not break the bank. And if it does... well, all the more reason to get your money right now.
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\[I'm not a lawyer but I routinely use the services of many, including employment lawyers.\] If you are on legal advice, you are already open to getting professional advice. I recommend you talk to an employment lawyer and show them your old and new contracts. It will cost you $500 in any major metropolitan area, but it will buy you peace of mind.
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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You should consult with a labor lawyer. That said, it might be your opportunity to get a commitment in writing on the 90k they owe you. You could say that you're uncomfortable signing something that constrains your future earning potential, especially since you have concerns about the viability of the company based on their inability to pay you what they owe. They should have a business line of credit, and paying you what you are legally owed will not break the bank. And if it does... well, all the more reason to get your money right now.
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Presumably the company can fire you. But it depends on your location, your current agreement(s), and the nature of the acquisition.
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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No signature until you are made whole financially
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You should consult with a labor lawyer. That said, it might be your opportunity to get a commitment in writing on the 90k they owe you. You could say that you're uncomfortable signing something that constrains your future earning potential, especially since you have concerns about the viability of the company based on their inability to pay you what they owe. They should have a business line of credit, and paying you what you are legally owed will not break the bank. And if it does... well, all the more reason to get your money right now.
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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How important is your role at this company? If I was a key employee and the company was being sold, I would want something of significant value to convince me to sign the non-compete. To me that would be options and or proceeds of the sale. It is not uncommon for key employees to receive stock/cash to remain at a company being acquired. Also, the current company owes to $90,000. Why on earth would you agree to modify your current contract when the other party is in arrears? Signing a non-compete would be a modification of your current contract. You absolutely need to get all documentation to a lawyer and consult with one. Take in your contract to an attorney. Does it discuss what happens when there is a material breach. I would consider $90,000 to be a material breach. You need a lawyer. Heck you needed a lawyer months/years ago because your employer owes you $90,000.00.
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You should consult with a labor lawyer. That said, it might be your opportunity to get a commitment in writing on the 90k they owe you. You could say that you're uncomfortable signing something that constrains your future earning potential, especially since you have concerns about the viability of the company based on their inability to pay you what they owe. They should have a business line of credit, and paying you what you are legally owed will not break the bank. And if it does... well, all the more reason to get your money right now.
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My company is requesting I sign a non-compete, inventions agreement, and non-solicit but I’ve already been working for them for 5 years without them. What are my options if I don’t want to sign? The company is being acquired and they simply asked me to sign these documents without a new employment agreement or any additional compensation. Another caveat is that the company owes me nearly $90k in unpaid bonuses and compensation. I would not want to sign these documents to give myself options in the future. What are my options if I don’t want to sign them?
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You should consult with a labor lawyer. That said, it might be your opportunity to get a commitment in writing on the 90k they owe you. You could say that you're uncomfortable signing something that constrains your future earning potential, especially since you have concerns about the viability of the company based on their inability to pay you what they owe. They should have a business line of credit, and paying you what you are legally owed will not break the bank. And if it does... well, all the more reason to get your money right now.
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Absent an enforceable employment contract for a term that has not expired, they can change the terms of their employment. This is what at-will means. They still owe you the $90k and cannot condition payment of that on you signing a new contract. My recommendation is that you start looking for another job and consult with an attorney about your back pay claim. If the company is really in the process of being acquired this could be a good time for you to formally make a demand for the $90k you are owed. The purchase might not be aware of this liability and might require that the seller take care of this before purchase, depending on the terms of the purchase. They may be stringing you along to get past the acquisition date without paying you or disclosing this liability to the buyer.
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A former employer I no longer work for is using my name and image to publish articles that I didn’t write. What can I do? I worked for about a year for an online gaming and technology website as a writer and editor and cut ties with them back in 2016 as I made a career switch. As I’m applying for jobs, I googled my name and discovered that over the past 5 years, the owner has written and published articles attributed to my name and using my profile picture. English is his second language, and the quality of these articles is nowhere near what I would put my name and face on. I’m worried about potential clients googling my name and seeing trash that I “wrote” that I, in actuality, had nothing to do with. Do I have any legal recourse here? I emailed him and asked him to take all the articles down, but if I don’t hear from him what are the next steps?
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You believe the owner for the website maybe based out of Romania, correct? Turns out the Romanian courts have ruled that online impersonation is a crime in 2021. You could start by sending a Cease and Desist letter, and request the previous publications have your information removed from them.
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Not a lawyer but I am a writer. There is a strong chance he is logged in using your credentials or you shared one account. He may have done this without realizing; not sure if this is something to take into consideration with regards to legal action. Obviously, if this is the case, he is not the most observant and he still should have noticed…but it may not be intentional. What if you sent a certified/signature required letter asking for removal or for him to change the author’s byline to his own for each article first? With confirmation from the carrier, you will be able to establish he received your request and he is more likely to read it and hopefully compelled to resolve this the easy way. If he does not take action, it strengthens your case if you do take the legal road.
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A former employer I no longer work for is using my name and image to publish articles that I didn’t write. What can I do? I worked for about a year for an online gaming and technology website as a writer and editor and cut ties with them back in 2016 as I made a career switch. As I’m applying for jobs, I googled my name and discovered that over the past 5 years, the owner has written and published articles attributed to my name and using my profile picture. English is his second language, and the quality of these articles is nowhere near what I would put my name and face on. I’m worried about potential clients googling my name and seeing trash that I “wrote” that I, in actuality, had nothing to do with. Do I have any legal recourse here? I emailed him and asked him to take all the articles down, but if I don’t hear from him what are the next steps?
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| 1,672,122,962 | 1,672,118,339 | 93 | 17 |
You believe the owner for the website maybe based out of Romania, correct? Turns out the Romanian courts have ruled that online impersonation is a crime in 2021. You could start by sending a Cease and Desist letter, and request the previous publications have your information removed from them.
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I am not a lawyer. You don't need to have a lawyer to send a Cease and Desist, but it's a good idea to get one anyway. You could be entitled to any money they earned as a result of the work they posted as you, or work you may have lost due to their poor quality, but you will definitely need a lawyer and you'll have to be able to prove the damages. Make sure you take screenshots of everything before they have a chance to take it down.
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A former employer I no longer work for is using my name and image to publish articles that I didn’t write. What can I do? I worked for about a year for an online gaming and technology website as a writer and editor and cut ties with them back in 2016 as I made a career switch. As I’m applying for jobs, I googled my name and discovered that over the past 5 years, the owner has written and published articles attributed to my name and using my profile picture. English is his second language, and the quality of these articles is nowhere near what I would put my name and face on. I’m worried about potential clients googling my name and seeing trash that I “wrote” that I, in actuality, had nothing to do with. Do I have any legal recourse here? I emailed him and asked him to take all the articles down, but if I don’t hear from him what are the next steps?
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j1t8kmw
| 1,672,119,955 | 1,672,118,339 | 20 | 17 |
Not a lawyer but I am a writer. There is a strong chance he is logged in using your credentials or you shared one account. He may have done this without realizing; not sure if this is something to take into consideration with regards to legal action. Obviously, if this is the case, he is not the most observant and he still should have noticed…but it may not be intentional. What if you sent a certified/signature required letter asking for removal or for him to change the author’s byline to his own for each article first? With confirmation from the carrier, you will be able to establish he received your request and he is more likely to read it and hopefully compelled to resolve this the easy way. If he does not take action, it strengthens your case if you do take the legal road.
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I am not a lawyer. You don't need to have a lawyer to send a Cease and Desist, but it's a good idea to get one anyway. You could be entitled to any money they earned as a result of the work they posted as you, or work you may have lost due to their poor quality, but you will definitely need a lawyer and you'll have to be able to prove the damages. Make sure you take screenshots of everything before they have a chance to take it down.
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Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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ech6axv
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I'm so sorry to hear that this type of scam is still happening, where scammers buy expensive device and "return" the item with weights or other stuff. The service desk is supposed to open the box, even if it's still shrink wrapped, and confirm the device is in there. My guess is the scammer hit while they were busy doing the holiday rush and got lucky. Best advice is to try corporate number on Wednesday and calming explain the situation to them, also ask them to check with the store if that PS4 was in fact a return, they can look by s/n, as this will make your case stronger. The local store will get a "letter from the president" ie a strongl worded email to make things right asap with you. From there expect a call from either the store manager or co-manager with an offer to replace the PS4 plus possibility of a gift card (depending on how strongly worded that email is). Unfortunately nothing can happen tonight or tomorrow as all stores and corporate offices are closed at 6pm tonight.
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You can sue them in small claims court. Your case is weak since it's 50/50 your word against theirs. They can ban you from the store, which is kind of like a "death sentence" if you depend on it. I think your better bet is to keep details of conversations and call corporate and ask if there's a way that they can track that particular package. Was there a return? Keep working at it and eventually you might be able to get them to refund you. Be kind and professional at all times. It's not the fault of the person you're talking to, and you basically have to *persuade* them to help you. Persistence tends to pay off since it costs them time and time is money. Also, if one person isn't helping you, another may. I remember once calling multiple times to a corporation until I got someone who was new and didn't know proper procedure, and helped me for something fairly important that someone else said they weren't allowed to do.
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Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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I'm so sorry to hear that this type of scam is still happening, where scammers buy expensive device and "return" the item with weights or other stuff. The service desk is supposed to open the box, even if it's still shrink wrapped, and confirm the device is in there. My guess is the scammer hit while they were busy doing the holiday rush and got lucky. Best advice is to try corporate number on Wednesday and calming explain the situation to them, also ask them to check with the store if that PS4 was in fact a return, they can look by s/n, as this will make your case stronger. The local store will get a "letter from the president" ie a strongl worded email to make things right asap with you. From there expect a call from either the store manager or co-manager with an offer to replace the PS4 plus possibility of a gift card (depending on how strongly worded that email is). Unfortunately nothing can happen tonight or tomorrow as all stores and corporate offices are closed at 6pm tonight.
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Ok so sorry if this is out of line as I'm not an attorney, HOWEVER - I worked for a large retail chain and we were absolutely REQUIRED to open the boxes of items that were being returned and make damn sure the item was there and accounted for. Does WalMart have this policy? If they do, I'm sure a glance at the cameras could clear it up?
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Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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echgf3e
| 1,545,713,049 | 1,545,690,414 | 442 | 55 |
I'm so sorry to hear that this type of scam is still happening, where scammers buy expensive device and "return" the item with weights or other stuff. The service desk is supposed to open the box, even if it's still shrink wrapped, and confirm the device is in there. My guess is the scammer hit while they were busy doing the holiday rush and got lucky. Best advice is to try corporate number on Wednesday and calming explain the situation to them, also ask them to check with the store if that PS4 was in fact a return, they can look by s/n, as this will make your case stronger. The local store will get a "letter from the president" ie a strongl worded email to make things right asap with you. From there expect a call from either the store manager or co-manager with an offer to replace the PS4 plus possibility of a gift card (depending on how strongly worded that email is). Unfortunately nothing can happen tonight or tomorrow as all stores and corporate offices are closed at 6pm tonight.
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Sorry to hear that you guys got bamboozled. Keep bugging the support line and don’t let up, keep bothering them until it gets resolved. Also a word of advice, never buy any type of expensive electronics from Walmart
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Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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I'm so sorry to hear that this type of scam is still happening, where scammers buy expensive device and "return" the item with weights or other stuff. The service desk is supposed to open the box, even if it's still shrink wrapped, and confirm the device is in there. My guess is the scammer hit while they were busy doing the holiday rush and got lucky. Best advice is to try corporate number on Wednesday and calming explain the situation to them, also ask them to check with the store if that PS4 was in fact a return, they can look by s/n, as this will make your case stronger. The local store will get a "letter from the president" ie a strongl worded email to make things right asap with you. From there expect a call from either the store manager or co-manager with an offer to replace the PS4 plus possibility of a gift card (depending on how strongly worded that email is). Unfortunately nothing can happen tonight or tomorrow as all stores and corporate offices are closed at 6pm tonight.
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It's too late for Xmas as walmart is closed all day, but isn't there a way they can track it with the s/n that you said was taped to the book? Like, can't walmart customer service see that it was in fact previously returned before you bought it?
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Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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I'm so sorry to hear that this type of scam is still happening, where scammers buy expensive device and "return" the item with weights or other stuff. The service desk is supposed to open the box, even if it's still shrink wrapped, and confirm the device is in there. My guess is the scammer hit while they were busy doing the holiday rush and got lucky. Best advice is to try corporate number on Wednesday and calming explain the situation to them, also ask them to check with the store if that PS4 was in fact a return, they can look by s/n, as this will make your case stronger. The local store will get a "letter from the president" ie a strongl worded email to make things right asap with you. From there expect a call from either the store manager or co-manager with an offer to replace the PS4 plus possibility of a gift card (depending on how strongly worded that email is). Unfortunately nothing can happen tonight or tomorrow as all stores and corporate offices are closed at 6pm tonight.
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Did you go all the way up the chain at Walmart or stop at the clerk? Might be worth escalating with a CSM or even the store manager.
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Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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> A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. > > Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. > > It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. > > What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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I'm so sorry to hear that this type of scam is still happening, where scammers buy expensive device and "return" the item with weights or other stuff. The service desk is supposed to open the box, even if it's still shrink wrapped, and confirm the device is in there. My guess is the scammer hit while they were busy doing the holiday rush and got lucky. Best advice is to try corporate number on Wednesday and calming explain the situation to them, also ask them to check with the store if that PS4 was in fact a return, they can look by s/n, as this will make your case stronger. The local store will get a "letter from the president" ie a strongl worded email to make things right asap with you. From there expect a call from either the store manager or co-manager with an offer to replace the PS4 plus possibility of a gift card (depending on how strongly worded that email is). Unfortunately nothing can happen tonight or tomorrow as all stores and corporate offices are closed at 6pm tonight.
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Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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Title: **Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it**
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> A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. > > Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. > > It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. > > What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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You can sue them in small claims court. Your case is weak since it's 50/50 your word against theirs. They can ban you from the store, which is kind of like a "death sentence" if you depend on it. I think your better bet is to keep details of conversations and call corporate and ask if there's a way that they can track that particular package. Was there a return? Keep working at it and eventually you might be able to get them to refund you. Be kind and professional at all times. It's not the fault of the person you're talking to, and you basically have to *persuade* them to help you. Persistence tends to pay off since it costs them time and time is money. Also, if one person isn't helping you, another may. I remember once calling multiple times to a corporation until I got someone who was new and didn't know proper procedure, and helped me for something fairly important that someone else said they weren't allowed to do.
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Ok so sorry if this is out of line as I'm not an attorney, HOWEVER - I worked for a large retail chain and we were absolutely REQUIRED to open the boxes of items that were being returned and make damn sure the item was there and accounted for. Does WalMart have this policy? If they do, I'm sure a glance at the cameras could clear it up?
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Sorry to hear that you guys got bamboozled. Keep bugging the support line and don’t let up, keep bothering them until it gets resolved. Also a word of advice, never buy any type of expensive electronics from Walmart
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It's too late for Xmas as walmart is closed all day, but isn't there a way they can track it with the s/n that you said was taped to the book? Like, can't walmart customer service see that it was in fact previously returned before you bought it?
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Ok so sorry if this is out of line as I'm not an attorney, HOWEVER - I worked for a large retail chain and we were absolutely REQUIRED to open the boxes of items that were being returned and make damn sure the item was there and accounted for. Does WalMart have this policy? If they do, I'm sure a glance at the cameras could clear it up?
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Ok so sorry if this is out of line as I'm not an attorney, HOWEVER - I worked for a large retail chain and we were absolutely REQUIRED to open the boxes of items that were being returned and make damn sure the item was there and accounted for. Does WalMart have this policy? If they do, I'm sure a glance at the cameras could clear it up?
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Did you go all the way up the chain at Walmart or stop at the clerk? Might be worth escalating with a CSM or even the store manager.
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Ok so sorry if this is out of line as I'm not an attorney, HOWEVER - I worked for a large retail chain and we were absolutely REQUIRED to open the boxes of items that were being returned and make damn sure the item was there and accounted for. Does WalMart have this policy? If they do, I'm sure a glance at the cameras could clear it up?
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> A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. > > Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. > > It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. > > What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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Title: **Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it**
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> A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. > > Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. > > It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. > > What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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Sorry to hear that you guys got bamboozled. Keep bugging the support line and don’t let up, keep bothering them until it gets resolved. Also a word of advice, never buy any type of expensive electronics from Walmart
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It's too late for Xmas as walmart is closed all day, but isn't there a way they can track it with the s/n that you said was taped to the book? Like, can't walmart customer service see that it was in fact previously returned before you bought it?
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Not a lawyer but work retail. Unfortunately can’t get it resolved by Christmas. Day after call the store and ask for a manager. A manager on duty will answer. Don’t bother repeating what happened when you came in. Just explain the facts. Bought ps4 and there was just books inside. Ask if you can have security verify that you purchased it and exchange it for a new one. They might have to wait for someone to do so but should give you a time when they’ll be able to do so. If they say no ask for the store manager contact info and speak to him/ her. If the store manager says no talk to the district manager. Then I would try the corporate Channel. I’ve dealt with customer support and while being polite also firm I’ve rarely had to go above manager on duty. I discourage corporate because their phone support doesn’t have access to the store security cameras. All they can do is basically talk to a manager on duty and ask them to look into it which is what you’ve already done. I suggest calling as it skips a few steps and saves time especially if people who can help you aren’t in the store right then.
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Not a lawyer but work retail. Unfortunately can’t get it resolved by Christmas. Day after call the store and ask for a manager. A manager on duty will answer. Don’t bother repeating what happened when you came in. Just explain the facts. Bought ps4 and there was just books inside. Ask if you can have security verify that you purchased it and exchange it for a new one. They might have to wait for someone to do so but should give you a time when they’ll be able to do so. If they say no ask for the store manager contact info and speak to him/ her. If the store manager says no talk to the district manager. Then I would try the corporate Channel. I’ve dealt with customer support and while being polite also firm I’ve rarely had to go above manager on duty. I discourage corporate because their phone support doesn’t have access to the store security cameras. All they can do is basically talk to a manager on duty and ask them to look into it which is what you’ve already done. I suggest calling as it skips a few steps and saves time especially if people who can help you aren’t in the store right then.
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Title: **Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it**
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> A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. > > Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. > > It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. > > What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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Not a lawyer but work retail. Unfortunately can’t get it resolved by Christmas. Day after call the store and ask for a manager. A manager on duty will answer. Don’t bother repeating what happened when you came in. Just explain the facts. Bought ps4 and there was just books inside. Ask if you can have security verify that you purchased it and exchange it for a new one. They might have to wait for someone to do so but should give you a time when they’ll be able to do so. If they say no ask for the store manager contact info and speak to him/ her. If the store manager says no talk to the district manager. Then I would try the corporate Channel. I’ve dealt with customer support and while being polite also firm I’ve rarely had to go above manager on duty. I discourage corporate because their phone support doesn’t have access to the store security cameras. All they can do is basically talk to a manager on duty and ask them to look into it which is what you’ve already done. I suggest calling as it skips a few steps and saves time especially if people who can help you aren’t in the store right then.
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Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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It's too late for Xmas as walmart is closed all day, but isn't there a way they can track it with the s/n that you said was taped to the book? Like, can't walmart customer service see that it was in fact previously returned before you bought it?
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Try opening a Federal Trade Commission complaint online. The FTC will contact Walmart and has the power to fine them if they deem that they engaged in unfair trade practices. Also, weigh the package and compare to the weight listed online for a PS4 set. Check the shipper's tracking information to see if the actual weight is listed.
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Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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Try opening a Federal Trade Commission complaint online. The FTC will contact Walmart and has the power to fine them if they deem that they engaged in unfair trade practices. Also, weigh the package and compare to the weight listed online for a PS4 set. Check the shipper's tracking information to see if the actual weight is listed.
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Did you go all the way up the chain at Walmart or stop at the clerk? Might be worth escalating with a CSM or even the store manager.
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Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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Try opening a Federal Trade Commission complaint online. The FTC will contact Walmart and has the power to fine them if they deem that they engaged in unfair trade practices. Also, weigh the package and compare to the weight listed online for a PS4 set. Check the shipper's tracking information to see if the actual weight is listed.
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> A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. > > Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. > > It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. > > What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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> A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. > > Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. > > It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. > > What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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It's too late for Xmas as walmart is closed all day, but isn't there a way they can track it with the s/n that you said was taped to the book? Like, can't walmart customer service see that it was in fact previously returned before you bought it?
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Bought a PS4 from Walmart, box had books in it and they won't exchange/refund it A few days ago my wife snuck out to Walmart to buy our son the only real thing he's been asking for a PS4/Spiderman. Today they are off running around and I figured I'd take the time today to get it updated, setup an account and pay for any subscription it may have etc. Open the box and it has books in it where the console should be and a copy of the sticker where you should see the S/N that's glued to one of the books. Great, I take the receipt and head off to Walmart to explain and get a new one. However nope, I talked to everyone at the store from the CS desk to several managers and they refuse to exchange/refund the console. It was paid for in cash, wife is a waitress and used tips so I can't just talk to my bank about getting a refund. What can I do? I know this must be a common scam people do but we are the victims here and Walmart refuses to exchange it or even refund it. I offered to accept store credit/gift card but even then they said no and told me to leave.
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Did you go all the way up the chain at Walmart or stop at the clerk? Might be worth escalating with a CSM or even the store manager.
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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If this truly played out this way, and if your dog is in fact a trained service animal, then this might be worth reviewing with qualified local counsel. >My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. Trained by whom? To provide what service?
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Not a lawyer, but I am a credentialed dog trainer. “Because he’s scaring people” is an illegal reason HOWEVER “because barking is disruptive” is a TOTALLY LEGAL reason to demand you remove your dog. This is why barking is not recommended as an alert.
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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So there’s two different things here. 1. The police are correct that when told to leave, you do need to and they can come and trespass you if you do not. This does NOT close out your options for civil action, but the police aren’t enforcing ADA compliance. 2. You may have a case against Walmart for discrimination under the ADA. They may have a defense if they feel your dog was not under your control, but that’s to sort out if it gets to that stage. My suggestion is to call Walmart corporate. State you were discrimination against under the ADA and refused service with your service dog (be clear that it is not an ESA), and then see how they rectify that. You can also speak with an attorney who specializes in disability discrimination before approaching Walmart. In general when you run into wrong or difficult retail employees, they are not the ones to make your case to. Leave when told to and then pursue it with corporate who are more aware of the laws than the person you’re arguing with.
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Not a lawyer, but I am a credentialed dog trainer. “Because he’s scaring people” is an illegal reason HOWEVER “because barking is disruptive” is a TOTALLY LEGAL reason to demand you remove your dog. This is why barking is not recommended as an alert.
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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Not a lawyer Service dog partner and person with disabilities. Call Bentonville and Walmart NATIONAL Customer Service. As long as the dog was NOT being a problem, then you as a person with disabilities WERE discriminated against. The Walmart Associate who claimed the ADA didn't apply was FLAT WRONG. You can also make a complaint to the DOJ about your treatment. https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service\_animal\_qa.html has all the info you need, and they have an ADA info line you can call and speak to. Look at the very bottom for the phone number and times they are open. Regarding your dog barking, everything I've been taught recommends teaching the dog NOT to bark, even as an alert, unless there is no other way to alert. A single bark as an alert can still be an issue in some places. It isn't forbidden, but not recommended by ADI or the DOJ. You may also wish to find a local attorney who specializes in disability justice, if you don't get any response from Walmart after calling corporate, but my experience is that calling Corporate often helps. You may also wish to email the Executive Contacts at Walmart. You can find their informaiton at https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/walmart/ A letter to the Executive Contacts at Walmart SHOULD result in a call back from the Exec Suite and someone who will address the issue.
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Not a lawyer, but I am a credentialed dog trainer. “Because he’s scaring people” is an illegal reason HOWEVER “because barking is disruptive” is a TOTALLY LEGAL reason to demand you remove your dog. This is why barking is not recommended as an alert.
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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Not a lawyer. Barking at people is a big nono. And you've said that the dog is trained to bark and alert you if people approach. Which is not balance or mobility. And is also scary to others. This is why you were asked to leave. Your dog was not trained correctly. Barking at people who get close, in a place where people have the right to walk past you and shop for the things your shopping for, is not only kinda rude, but not covered by any ADA laws. Train your dog to signal you quietly. Barking is aggressive. Boops are adorable.
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If this truly played out this way, and if your dog is in fact a trained service animal, then this might be worth reviewing with qualified local counsel. >My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. Trained by whom? To provide what service?
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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Not a lawyer. Barking at people is a big nono. And you've said that the dog is trained to bark and alert you if people approach. Which is not balance or mobility. And is also scary to others. This is why you were asked to leave. Your dog was not trained correctly. Barking at people who get close, in a place where people have the right to walk past you and shop for the things your shopping for, is not only kinda rude, but not covered by any ADA laws. Train your dog to signal you quietly. Barking is aggressive. Boops are adorable.
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So there’s two different things here. 1. The police are correct that when told to leave, you do need to and they can come and trespass you if you do not. This does NOT close out your options for civil action, but the police aren’t enforcing ADA compliance. 2. You may have a case against Walmart for discrimination under the ADA. They may have a defense if they feel your dog was not under your control, but that’s to sort out if it gets to that stage. My suggestion is to call Walmart corporate. State you were discrimination against under the ADA and refused service with your service dog (be clear that it is not an ESA), and then see how they rectify that. You can also speak with an attorney who specializes in disability discrimination before approaching Walmart. In general when you run into wrong or difficult retail employees, they are not the ones to make your case to. Leave when told to and then pursue it with corporate who are more aware of the laws than the person you’re arguing with.
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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Not a lawyer. Barking at people is a big nono. And you've said that the dog is trained to bark and alert you if people approach. Which is not balance or mobility. And is also scary to others. This is why you were asked to leave. Your dog was not trained correctly. Barking at people who get close, in a place where people have the right to walk past you and shop for the things your shopping for, is not only kinda rude, but not covered by any ADA laws. Train your dog to signal you quietly. Barking is aggressive. Boops are adorable.
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Not a lawyer Service dog partner and person with disabilities. Call Bentonville and Walmart NATIONAL Customer Service. As long as the dog was NOT being a problem, then you as a person with disabilities WERE discriminated against. The Walmart Associate who claimed the ADA didn't apply was FLAT WRONG. You can also make a complaint to the DOJ about your treatment. https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service\_animal\_qa.html has all the info you need, and they have an ADA info line you can call and speak to. Look at the very bottom for the phone number and times they are open. Regarding your dog barking, everything I've been taught recommends teaching the dog NOT to bark, even as an alert, unless there is no other way to alert. A single bark as an alert can still be an issue in some places. It isn't forbidden, but not recommended by ADI or the DOJ. You may also wish to find a local attorney who specializes in disability justice, if you don't get any response from Walmart after calling corporate, but my experience is that calling Corporate often helps. You may also wish to email the Executive Contacts at Walmart. You can find their informaiton at https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/walmart/ A letter to the Executive Contacts at Walmart SHOULD result in a call back from the Exec Suite and someone who will address the issue.
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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ih57p04
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Not legal advice - but Walmart most likely would qualify as a “place of public accommodation” which is covered under the ADA. III-1.2000 (5). It’s unclear rom your post - was your SA on a lead/leash or otherwise harnessed? Because that Is an important caveat: A service animal must be under the control of its handler. Under the ADA, service animals must be harnessed, leashed, or tethered, unless the individual’s disability prevents using these devices or these devices interfere with the service animal's safe, effective performance of tasks. In that case, the individual must maintain control of the animal through voice, signal, or other effective controls. Source: https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm
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Not a lawyer. Barking at people is a big nono. And you've said that the dog is trained to bark and alert you if people approach. Which is not balance or mobility. And is also scary to others. This is why you were asked to leave. Your dog was not trained correctly. Barking at people who get close, in a place where people have the right to walk past you and shop for the things your shopping for, is not only kinda rude, but not covered by any ADA laws. Train your dog to signal you quietly. Barking is aggressive. Boops are adorable.
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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ih57c3l
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Not a lawyer. Barking at people is a big nono. And you've said that the dog is trained to bark and alert you if people approach. Which is not balance or mobility. And is also scary to others. This is why you were asked to leave. Your dog was not trained correctly. Barking at people who get close, in a place where people have the right to walk past you and shop for the things your shopping for, is not only kinda rude, but not covered by any ADA laws. Train your dog to signal you quietly. Barking is aggressive. Boops are adorable.
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OP there is a r/disability and r/servicedogs and r/service_dogs that may have better information and more familiar with ADA and service dogs
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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ih5ctm6
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Not a lawyer Service dog partner and person with disabilities. Call Bentonville and Walmart NATIONAL Customer Service. As long as the dog was NOT being a problem, then you as a person with disabilities WERE discriminated against. The Walmart Associate who claimed the ADA didn't apply was FLAT WRONG. You can also make a complaint to the DOJ about your treatment. https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/service\_animal\_qa.html has all the info you need, and they have an ADA info line you can call and speak to. Look at the very bottom for the phone number and times they are open. Regarding your dog barking, everything I've been taught recommends teaching the dog NOT to bark, even as an alert, unless there is no other way to alert. A single bark as an alert can still be an issue in some places. It isn't forbidden, but not recommended by ADI or the DOJ. You may also wish to find a local attorney who specializes in disability justice, if you don't get any response from Walmart after calling corporate, but my experience is that calling Corporate often helps. You may also wish to email the Executive Contacts at Walmart. You can find their informaiton at https://www.elliott.org/company-contacts/walmart/ A letter to the Executive Contacts at Walmart SHOULD result in a call back from the Exec Suite and someone who will address the issue.
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You can and should be kicked out if your dog is barking at customers. This includes "alerting" that customers are approaching by barking. No one wants to go shopping with some random dog barking at them, I can 100% understand why that would make other patrons nervous
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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ih5ctm6
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Without going into too specific of detail, I work very centrally to this type of situation. As was said by someone else here, the associates in the store are not the ones to make your case to. They are in no position to make a decision one way or the other and their training on your specific scenario is brief at best. What they ARE trained to do is keep the store running as smoothly as possible and attempt to make sure customers en mass feel safe. If you're service companion was the source of disruption, however minor, their training is to politely ask that you escort your companion outside. They are not lawyers, but neither are you. If they were wrong, that would be a conversation to have in a different setting, with people of more authority. That being said Walmart, as with nearly all places of business, is NOT a public place. Legally, you can be asked to leave and even semi-permanently trespassed for little to no reason at all. The only exception is if you can prove that the ONLY reason you were denied service was discrimination due to a protected status. There is the caveat and where things get tricky. Typically, if you require a service animal, you have a disability that is protected under ADA. You mentioned the companion is for seizure detection. I don't BELIEVE that seizures are a protected Disability BUT I'm not a lawyer, so for the sake of argument I will assume I'm wrong. So you have a protected Disability. Now you have to prove that the ONLY reason you were denied service was your disabled status. We know that's not the case. You weren't denied service. Your companion was expelled. For ADA purposes, those two are similar things. However, your companion was expelled BECAUSE he/she was deemed in the moment to be a disruption, and even a potential safety risk. They may not have made the right call but they absolutely did not discriminate against you. Remember, it is private property, not public. You don't have a right to be there. That is an important detail that many.....MANY people forget. You. Do. Not. Have. A. Right. To. Be. At. Walmart. Now, judges aren't all perfect...you might get a judge to side with you, but be honest...did they kick you out because they don't like disabled people, or did they feel the dog was a disruption. That should decide your path forward.
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You can and should be kicked out if your dog is barking at customers. This includes "alerting" that customers are approaching by barking. No one wants to go shopping with some random dog barking at them, I can 100% understand why that would make other patrons nervous
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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ih5ctm6
| 1,658,452,756 | 1,658,464,023 | 110 | 371 |
Not legal advice - but Walmart most likely would qualify as a “place of public accommodation” which is covered under the ADA. III-1.2000 (5). It’s unclear rom your post - was your SA on a lead/leash or otherwise harnessed? Because that Is an important caveat: A service animal must be under the control of its handler. Under the ADA, service animals must be harnessed, leashed, or tethered, unless the individual’s disability prevents using these devices or these devices interfere with the service animal's safe, effective performance of tasks. In that case, the individual must maintain control of the animal through voice, signal, or other effective controls. Source: https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm
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You can and should be kicked out if your dog is barking at customers. This includes "alerting" that customers are approaching by barking. No one wants to go shopping with some random dog barking at them, I can 100% understand why that would make other patrons nervous
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w4siyr
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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ih57c3l
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You can and should be kicked out if your dog is barking at customers. This includes "alerting" that customers are approaching by barking. No one wants to go shopping with some random dog barking at them, I can 100% understand why that would make other patrons nervous
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OP there is a r/disability and r/servicedogs and r/service_dogs that may have better information and more familiar with ADA and service dogs
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w4siyr
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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ih584a9
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ih4pzsu
| 1,658,461,470 | 1,658,452,756 | 117 | 110 |
Without going into too specific of detail, I work very centrally to this type of situation. As was said by someone else here, the associates in the store are not the ones to make your case to. They are in no position to make a decision one way or the other and their training on your specific scenario is brief at best. What they ARE trained to do is keep the store running as smoothly as possible and attempt to make sure customers en mass feel safe. If you're service companion was the source of disruption, however minor, their training is to politely ask that you escort your companion outside. They are not lawyers, but neither are you. If they were wrong, that would be a conversation to have in a different setting, with people of more authority. That being said Walmart, as with nearly all places of business, is NOT a public place. Legally, you can be asked to leave and even semi-permanently trespassed for little to no reason at all. The only exception is if you can prove that the ONLY reason you were denied service was discrimination due to a protected status. There is the caveat and where things get tricky. Typically, if you require a service animal, you have a disability that is protected under ADA. You mentioned the companion is for seizure detection. I don't BELIEVE that seizures are a protected Disability BUT I'm not a lawyer, so for the sake of argument I will assume I'm wrong. So you have a protected Disability. Now you have to prove that the ONLY reason you were denied service was your disabled status. We know that's not the case. You weren't denied service. Your companion was expelled. For ADA purposes, those two are similar things. However, your companion was expelled BECAUSE he/she was deemed in the moment to be a disruption, and even a potential safety risk. They may not have made the right call but they absolutely did not discriminate against you. Remember, it is private property, not public. You don't have a right to be there. That is an important detail that many.....MANY people forget. You. Do. Not. Have. A. Right. To. Be. At. Walmart. Now, judges aren't all perfect...you might get a judge to side with you, but be honest...did they kick you out because they don't like disabled people, or did they feel the dog was a disruption. That should decide your path forward.
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Not legal advice - but Walmart most likely would qualify as a “place of public accommodation” which is covered under the ADA. III-1.2000 (5). It’s unclear rom your post - was your SA on a lead/leash or otherwise harnessed? Because that Is an important caveat: A service animal must be under the control of its handler. Under the ADA, service animals must be harnessed, leashed, or tethered, unless the individual’s disability prevents using these devices or these devices interfere with the service animal's safe, effective performance of tasks. In that case, the individual must maintain control of the animal through voice, signal, or other effective controls. Source: https://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm
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w4siyr
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trespassed from walmart for shopping with my service dog I went into a Florida WalMart with my service dog and my aide. My dog alerted (two barks) and stopped immediately when given the command. An asset protection associate told me i needed to leave the store because my service dog was scaring people. I offered to show him ADA law that states a service dog cannot be refused access because someone is scared of him and as long as he obeyed his commands he cannot be refused access. This associate told me if i didn't leave he was calling the police and having me trespassed. I told him that is in direct violation of ada law to which he responded that since walmart is a private business ada law doeant apply to them. I asked to speak to a manager and i was refused the ability to speak with management. They called the police and had me trespassed. The police said it doesnt matter if my service dog was withing the law that if walmart told me to leave and i refused, they can trespass me. One officer also told me that with my disabilities there is no way i can handle an 80 pound dog and that i should get a less scary service dog. My service dog is extremely well trained and responds directly to my voice commands. I have NEVER encountered this. What recourse do i have? Walmart will not return my call and i feel i shouldnt have to chase them down to correct their mistake. Any advice? Has anyone else encountered this? How do i stand up for my rights when calmness and offering to share educational info only gets you harassed and humiliated?
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ih57c3l
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ih584a9
| 1,658,461,058 | 1,658,461,470 | 29 | 117 |
OP there is a r/disability and r/servicedogs and r/service_dogs that may have better information and more familiar with ADA and service dogs
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Without going into too specific of detail, I work very centrally to this type of situation. As was said by someone else here, the associates in the store are not the ones to make your case to. They are in no position to make a decision one way or the other and their training on your specific scenario is brief at best. What they ARE trained to do is keep the store running as smoothly as possible and attempt to make sure customers en mass feel safe. If you're service companion was the source of disruption, however minor, their training is to politely ask that you escort your companion outside. They are not lawyers, but neither are you. If they were wrong, that would be a conversation to have in a different setting, with people of more authority. That being said Walmart, as with nearly all places of business, is NOT a public place. Legally, you can be asked to leave and even semi-permanently trespassed for little to no reason at all. The only exception is if you can prove that the ONLY reason you were denied service was discrimination due to a protected status. There is the caveat and where things get tricky. Typically, if you require a service animal, you have a disability that is protected under ADA. You mentioned the companion is for seizure detection. I don't BELIEVE that seizures are a protected Disability BUT I'm not a lawyer, so for the sake of argument I will assume I'm wrong. So you have a protected Disability. Now you have to prove that the ONLY reason you were denied service was your disabled status. We know that's not the case. You weren't denied service. Your companion was expelled. For ADA purposes, those two are similar things. However, your companion was expelled BECAUSE he/she was deemed in the moment to be a disruption, and even a potential safety risk. They may not have made the right call but they absolutely did not discriminate against you. Remember, it is private property, not public. You don't have a right to be there. That is an important detail that many.....MANY people forget. You. Do. Not. Have. A. Right. To. Be. At. Walmart. Now, judges aren't all perfect...you might get a judge to side with you, but be honest...did they kick you out because they don't like disabled people, or did they feel the dog was a disruption. That should decide your path forward.
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[WA] Spouse died, leaving everything to me in the will. Can my mother-in-law challenge the will? My spouse passed away and mother in law (MIL) hired a lawyer contesting the will. Absolutely the worst way to spend the holidays. Here's what the lawyer's letter said: * MIL believes the will is fake, despite notary, witnesses, and we took photos. * MIL believes spouse was forced to sign the will. * MIL believes she was intended to receive the estate, but is not named in will. My intent was to share the estate with MIL after my spouses' bills were paid. I've already paid off most, but there's still more. Does MIL have any legal ground here?
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ecdlhoi
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Yes. Anyone can challenge any will, unfortunately. I just got done with a 4 year probate case that ended in exactly what the will said, but I got to pay a lawyer $100k in fee’s. Gather any and all paperwork you can and find a top notch lawyer.
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Your intent is to share the estate with you MIL after bills but that's not what your spouse wanted. Don't feel pressured into sharing it against the wishes of your late spouse. Your MIL could try and argue that your spouse wasn't in their right mind when making the will e.g. due to the effects of the medication. Others here can hopefully advise how to respond to the lawyer's letter (always check it did come from a lawyer and it's not been faked). I don't know if you need to respond now or wait until you're served with something actionable, after they've filed something. If this does continue then I believe (I am not a lawyer, please check) that the costs of defending the will come from your spouse's estate not from you.
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US-MN Someone dumped an entire household worth of items in my front yard - what now? I am currently in the process of selling my house and am supposed to close this Thursday 9/3. Late last night, a woman brought 5 pickup truck loads of household stuff to my house. This includes garbage bags of clothes and other crap, a washing machine, a bed, two dressers and various other furniture and belongings. My neighbors saw them and initially assumed it was new owners of my house so they went to introduce themselves. A guy told them they didn't buy the house, but rather this is his sister's soon-to-be-ex-husband's stuff and they are dropping it off because my house belongs to the woman that the ex is sleeping with. (I'm a man and don't know those people). My neighbors called me but they had left by the time I got there and haven't shown up again. But the camera caught them bringing 5 pickup loads worth so we are talking about a LOT of stuff. I have some very crappy video of them and their vehicle in the dark, but unfortunately the vehicle has no plates. I have reported this to the police but they said it's a civil issue and they can't give me any advice. Since we are set to close Thursday, I absolutely must get this crap out of my yard tomorrow by noon because that is when we have the final walk-through. The purchase of my new house is contingent on my current house selling, can't delay. My problem is: what can I, legally, do with it? Can I haul it to the dump? Do I have some obligation to pay for a storage unit to put all this stuff in?
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g3qeq8a
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Try contacting the police again and emphasize that this is (probably) stolen property that has been dumped illegally.
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Do you think it's possible that the person buying your house is the woman who "owns the house" that these people were talking about?
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My boss just notified me that his wife and my ex are friends and he "heard some things about me", is this a sign to get a new job? (Montana) My boss just told me he found out last night that my ex and his wife have been friends for years. I am new to the town they've been living in and it's a small community. He basically told me he's heard stories about me and that my attitude at work doesn't reflect anything that's been said about me. I'm highly uncomfortable now. I understand I can just find a new job, which I will, but am I at least safe from getting fired because my boss is friends with my ex? I seriously want to go home. He should of kept his mouth shut.
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i9r81yt
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>He basically told me he's heard stories about me and that my attitude at work doesn't reflect anything that's been said about me. Assuming that your ex would only be likely to paint you as bad person, the fact that your boss has said you're nothing like you were described would tend to be a good thing. Keep doing what you're doing and proving your ex wrong.
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It honestly sounds like your boss is trying to warn you that your ex is spreading false information without gossiping. Your boss telling you that your attitude at work is them telling you that they think the info they received is bs. I would actually go the opposite direction. Keep being an awesome employee and shut down your ex's wild story. If you boss starts treating you poorly, bounce, but I don't think that is what will happen.
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uw6xmt
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My boss just notified me that his wife and my ex are friends and he "heard some things about me", is this a sign to get a new job? (Montana) My boss just told me he found out last night that my ex and his wife have been friends for years. I am new to the town they've been living in and it's a small community. He basically told me he's heard stories about me and that my attitude at work doesn't reflect anything that's been said about me. I'm highly uncomfortable now. I understand I can just find a new job, which I will, but am I at least safe from getting fired because my boss is friends with my ex? I seriously want to go home. He should of kept his mouth shut.
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i9r81yt
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How long have you worked there? Does the company have an explicitly stated probationary period?
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It honestly sounds like your boss is trying to warn you that your ex is spreading false information without gossiping. Your boss telling you that your attitude at work is them telling you that they think the info they received is bs. I would actually go the opposite direction. Keep being an awesome employee and shut down your ex's wild story. If you boss starts treating you poorly, bounce, but I don't think that is what will happen.
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uw6xmt
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My boss just notified me that his wife and my ex are friends and he "heard some things about me", is this a sign to get a new job? (Montana) My boss just told me he found out last night that my ex and his wife have been friends for years. I am new to the town they've been living in and it's a small community. He basically told me he's heard stories about me and that my attitude at work doesn't reflect anything that's been said about me. I'm highly uncomfortable now. I understand I can just find a new job, which I will, but am I at least safe from getting fired because my boss is friends with my ex? I seriously want to go home. He should of kept his mouth shut.
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i9pqkna
| 1,653,336,382 | 1,653,331,426 | 432 | 43 |
>He basically told me he's heard stories about me and that my attitude at work doesn't reflect anything that's been said about me. Assuming that your ex would only be likely to paint you as bad person, the fact that your boss has said you're nothing like you were described would tend to be a good thing. Keep doing what you're doing and proving your ex wrong.
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How long have you worked there? Does the company have an explicitly stated probationary period?
| 1 | 4,956 | 10.046512 |
3q7dtk
|
legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
[UPDATE 3]Husbands ex-wife wants access to my bank accounts (Texas and Florida, previously just Texas) Previous insanity: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2tn9n8/texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my_bank/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2wjdw0/updatetexasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2z68ca/update_2texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ My husband and I moved to Florida in an attempt to get away from his ex wife. She some how found out that we are in Florida and has found a lawyer here and is sueing us again. This time she doesn't want a credit card. She just wants a debit card and access to every cent we own and my overseas money. And she wants alimony.
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cwcqlhw
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cwcpgrs
| 1,445,814,912 | 1,445,813,080 | 175 | 73 |
Is it possible at this point to get her declared a vexatious litigant, since from the sound of it she's sued you over this before, lost, and is now suing for it again?
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Sweet Menoth's mercy. Do you still have an active restraining order against her?
| 1 | 1,832 | 2.39726 |
3q7dtk
|
legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
[UPDATE 3]Husbands ex-wife wants access to my bank accounts (Texas and Florida, previously just Texas) Previous insanity: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2tn9n8/texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my_bank/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2wjdw0/updatetexasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2z68ca/update_2texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ My husband and I moved to Florida in an attempt to get away from his ex wife. She some how found out that we are in Florida and has found a lawyer here and is sueing us again. This time she doesn't want a credit card. She just wants a debit card and access to every cent we own and my overseas money. And she wants alimony.
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cwd303t
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cwcypg0
| 1,445,836,463 | 1,445,827,800 | 29 | 23 |
Lawyers... should OP report the ex-wife's lawyer to the bar for these repeated frivolous lawsuits?
| 1 | 8,663 | 1.26087 |
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3q7dtk
|
legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
[UPDATE 3]Husbands ex-wife wants access to my bank accounts (Texas and Florida, previously just Texas) Previous insanity: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2tn9n8/texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my_bank/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2wjdw0/updatetexasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2z68ca/update_2texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ My husband and I moved to Florida in an attempt to get away from his ex wife. She some how found out that we are in Florida and has found a lawyer here and is sueing us again. This time she doesn't want a credit card. She just wants a debit card and access to every cent we own and my overseas money. And she wants alimony.
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cwcu6fo
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cwd303t
| 1,445,820,733 | 1,445,836,463 | 17 | 29 |
Open a bank account in your name only and separate your money now. Keep your money separate until all this is over. Also, what happened to her when you called the police about the bank fraud when she tried to lie to get access to your bank account by stealing your identity?? Did the police not arrest her after talking to the bank?
| 0 | 15,730 | 1.705882 |
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3q7dtk
|
legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
[UPDATE 3]Husbands ex-wife wants access to my bank accounts (Texas and Florida, previously just Texas) Previous insanity: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2tn9n8/texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my_bank/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2wjdw0/updatetexasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2z68ca/update_2texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ My husband and I moved to Florida in an attempt to get away from his ex wife. She some how found out that we are in Florida and has found a lawyer here and is sueing us again. This time she doesn't want a credit card. She just wants a debit card and access to every cent we own and my overseas money. And she wants alimony.
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cwcuf0x
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cwd303t
| 1,445,821,095 | 1,445,836,463 | 16 | 29 |
On what grounds did the lawyer file? There's absolutely nothing she'll be able to get from you unless there's more to the story.
| 0 | 15,368 | 1.8125 |
|
3q7dtk
|
legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
[UPDATE 3]Husbands ex-wife wants access to my bank accounts (Texas and Florida, previously just Texas) Previous insanity: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2tn9n8/texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my_bank/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2wjdw0/updatetexasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2z68ca/update_2texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ My husband and I moved to Florida in an attempt to get away from his ex wife. She some how found out that we are in Florida and has found a lawyer here and is sueing us again. This time she doesn't want a credit card. She just wants a debit card and access to every cent we own and my overseas money. And she wants alimony.
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cwcsisi
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cwd303t
| 1,445,818,116 | 1,445,836,463 | 13 | 29 |
I have no advice but, holy insane batman! I'm so sorry you are going through this. she's batshit crazy. I hope you can sue her pants off.
| 0 | 18,347 | 2.230769 |
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3q7dtk
|
legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
[UPDATE 3]Husbands ex-wife wants access to my bank accounts (Texas and Florida, previously just Texas) Previous insanity: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2tn9n8/texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my_bank/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2wjdw0/updatetexasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2z68ca/update_2texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ My husband and I moved to Florida in an attempt to get away from his ex wife. She some how found out that we are in Florida and has found a lawyer here and is sueing us again. This time she doesn't want a credit card. She just wants a debit card and access to every cent we own and my overseas money. And she wants alimony.
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cwcu6fo
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cwcypg0
| 1,445,820,733 | 1,445,827,800 | 17 | 23 |
Open a bank account in your name only and separate your money now. Keep your money separate until all this is over. Also, what happened to her when you called the police about the bank fraud when she tried to lie to get access to your bank account by stealing your identity?? Did the police not arrest her after talking to the bank?
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Lawyers... should OP report the ex-wife's lawyer to the bar for these repeated frivolous lawsuits?
| 0 | 7,067 | 1.352941 |
3q7dtk
|
legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
[UPDATE 3]Husbands ex-wife wants access to my bank accounts (Texas and Florida, previously just Texas) Previous insanity: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2tn9n8/texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my_bank/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2wjdw0/updatetexasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2z68ca/update_2texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ My husband and I moved to Florida in an attempt to get away from his ex wife. She some how found out that we are in Florida and has found a lawyer here and is sueing us again. This time she doesn't want a credit card. She just wants a debit card and access to every cent we own and my overseas money. And she wants alimony.
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cwcypg0
|
cwcuf0x
| 1,445,827,800 | 1,445,821,095 | 23 | 16 |
Lawyers... should OP report the ex-wife's lawyer to the bar for these repeated frivolous lawsuits?
|
On what grounds did the lawyer file? There's absolutely nothing she'll be able to get from you unless there's more to the story.
| 1 | 6,705 | 1.4375 |
3q7dtk
|
legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
[UPDATE 3]Husbands ex-wife wants access to my bank accounts (Texas and Florida, previously just Texas) Previous insanity: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2tn9n8/texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my_bank/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2wjdw0/updatetexasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2z68ca/update_2texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ My husband and I moved to Florida in an attempt to get away from his ex wife. She some how found out that we are in Florida and has found a lawyer here and is sueing us again. This time she doesn't want a credit card. She just wants a debit card and access to every cent we own and my overseas money. And she wants alimony.
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cwcsisi
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cwcypg0
| 1,445,818,116 | 1,445,827,800 | 13 | 23 |
I have no advice but, holy insane batman! I'm so sorry you are going through this. she's batshit crazy. I hope you can sue her pants off.
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Lawyers... should OP report the ex-wife's lawyer to the bar for these repeated frivolous lawsuits?
| 0 | 9,684 | 1.769231 |
3q7dtk
|
legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
[UPDATE 3]Husbands ex-wife wants access to my bank accounts (Texas and Florida, previously just Texas) Previous insanity: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2tn9n8/texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my_bank/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2wjdw0/updatetexasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2z68ca/update_2texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ My husband and I moved to Florida in an attempt to get away from his ex wife. She some how found out that we are in Florida and has found a lawyer here and is sueing us again. This time she doesn't want a credit card. She just wants a debit card and access to every cent we own and my overseas money. And she wants alimony.
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cwcu6fo
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cwcsisi
| 1,445,820,733 | 1,445,818,116 | 17 | 13 |
Open a bank account in your name only and separate your money now. Keep your money separate until all this is over. Also, what happened to her when you called the police about the bank fraud when she tried to lie to get access to your bank account by stealing your identity?? Did the police not arrest her after talking to the bank?
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I have no advice but, holy insane batman! I'm so sorry you are going through this. she's batshit crazy. I hope you can sue her pants off.
| 1 | 2,617 | 1.307692 |
3q7dtk
|
legaladvice_train
| 0.96 |
[UPDATE 3]Husbands ex-wife wants access to my bank accounts (Texas and Florida, previously just Texas) Previous insanity: https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2tn9n8/texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my_bank/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2wjdw0/updatetexasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/2z68ca/update_2texasushusbands_exwife_wants_access_to_my/ My husband and I moved to Florida in an attempt to get away from his ex wife. She some how found out that we are in Florida and has found a lawyer here and is sueing us again. This time she doesn't want a credit card. She just wants a debit card and access to every cent we own and my overseas money. And she wants alimony.
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cwcuf0x
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cwcsisi
| 1,445,821,095 | 1,445,818,116 | 16 | 13 |
On what grounds did the lawyer file? There's absolutely nothing she'll be able to get from you unless there's more to the story.
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I have no advice but, holy insane batman! I'm so sorry you are going through this. she's batshit crazy. I hope you can sue her pants off.
| 1 | 2,979 | 1.230769 |
unje0d
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legaladvice_train
| 0.98 |
Got hired for a job as a salaried manager, was told three weeks later that I was not a salaried worker. Hi guys, I work for a pretty popular restaurant in Kansas City, Missouri and have been for about 4 months. When I got hired, they promised me a salary of 57,200. My job code says salary manager and I have hundreds of chits that say so as well. Whenever I got my first paycheck for a day or so, I saw my pay was $22 an hour for the few hours I worked. Whatever, I assumed it was just how they did the first paycheck. I got my second one though and it was still hourly, $22. I go to my GM who hired me and she told me that “there was a change of plans and the owner said you’re an hourly employee” 3 weeks into the job. She explained that if I worked 50 hours 52 weeks a year I would make 57200 at a rate of $22, which is 50 hours a week is standard for a salaried restaurant manager but I never work 50 hours a week. I usually work about 44-47. I do not receive any over time. I am making a lot less than I was told and I’m not getting by. I have almost every single clock in/clock out from when I started. The owner is an extremely toxic, vile and aggressive man so trying to rectify this through him is not an option. What can I do? I don’t have this down in writing that I’m supposed to have a salary but I’m also working hourly and not making overtime.
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i88dw06
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i890o9v
| 1,652,301,768 | 1,652,311,500 | 58 | 133 |
There's really nothing to do here. You're hourly at $22/hr. You're owed $33/hr in OT for any hours over 40 in a set workweek.
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Yeah, they can't have it both ways. If youre salaried exempt, your paid by the year, not the hour, no OT. If you're hourly, your paid by the hour, and get OT. File a wage claim.
| 0 | 9,732 | 2.293103 |
unje0d
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legaladvice_train
| 0.98 |
Got hired for a job as a salaried manager, was told three weeks later that I was not a salaried worker. Hi guys, I work for a pretty popular restaurant in Kansas City, Missouri and have been for about 4 months. When I got hired, they promised me a salary of 57,200. My job code says salary manager and I have hundreds of chits that say so as well. Whenever I got my first paycheck for a day or so, I saw my pay was $22 an hour for the few hours I worked. Whatever, I assumed it was just how they did the first paycheck. I got my second one though and it was still hourly, $22. I go to my GM who hired me and she told me that “there was a change of plans and the owner said you’re an hourly employee” 3 weeks into the job. She explained that if I worked 50 hours 52 weeks a year I would make 57200 at a rate of $22, which is 50 hours a week is standard for a salaried restaurant manager but I never work 50 hours a week. I usually work about 44-47. I do not receive any over time. I am making a lot less than I was told and I’m not getting by. I have almost every single clock in/clock out from when I started. The owner is an extremely toxic, vile and aggressive man so trying to rectify this through him is not an option. What can I do? I don’t have this down in writing that I’m supposed to have a salary but I’m also working hourly and not making overtime.
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i88ey7e
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i890o9v
| 1,652,302,192 | 1,652,311,500 | 5 | 133 |
Is your position considered an exempt salaried position? https://www.dol.ks.gov/-/overtime
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Yeah, they can't have it both ways. If youre salaried exempt, your paid by the year, not the hour, no OT. If you're hourly, your paid by the hour, and get OT. File a wage claim.
| 0 | 9,308 | 26.6 |
unje0d
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legaladvice_train
| 0.98 |
Got hired for a job as a salaried manager, was told three weeks later that I was not a salaried worker. Hi guys, I work for a pretty popular restaurant in Kansas City, Missouri and have been for about 4 months. When I got hired, they promised me a salary of 57,200. My job code says salary manager and I have hundreds of chits that say so as well. Whenever I got my first paycheck for a day or so, I saw my pay was $22 an hour for the few hours I worked. Whatever, I assumed it was just how they did the first paycheck. I got my second one though and it was still hourly, $22. I go to my GM who hired me and she told me that “there was a change of plans and the owner said you’re an hourly employee” 3 weeks into the job. She explained that if I worked 50 hours 52 weeks a year I would make 57200 at a rate of $22, which is 50 hours a week is standard for a salaried restaurant manager but I never work 50 hours a week. I usually work about 44-47. I do not receive any over time. I am making a lot less than I was told and I’m not getting by. I have almost every single clock in/clock out from when I started. The owner is an extremely toxic, vile and aggressive man so trying to rectify this through him is not an option. What can I do? I don’t have this down in writing that I’m supposed to have a salary but I’m also working hourly and not making overtime.
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i89sg1i
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i88ey7e
| 1,652,324,220 | 1,652,302,192 | 19 | 5 |
File a wage complaint with the state as someone else linked to. I live in KCMO as well and helped someone else do the same a few months ago. They move slow, but you should have a case worker investigating within 90 days of your complaint. They can take a complaint for the overtime you are owed, but I’m not sure if they don’t anything about the wage change. They do over the phone interviews with you so you will have the chance to explain it all and they’ll let you know what they can do.
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Is your position considered an exempt salaried position? https://www.dol.ks.gov/-/overtime
| 1 | 22,028 | 3.8 |
unje0d
|
legaladvice_train
| 0.98 |
Got hired for a job as a salaried manager, was told three weeks later that I was not a salaried worker. Hi guys, I work for a pretty popular restaurant in Kansas City, Missouri and have been for about 4 months. When I got hired, they promised me a salary of 57,200. My job code says salary manager and I have hundreds of chits that say so as well. Whenever I got my first paycheck for a day or so, I saw my pay was $22 an hour for the few hours I worked. Whatever, I assumed it was just how they did the first paycheck. I got my second one though and it was still hourly, $22. I go to my GM who hired me and she told me that “there was a change of plans and the owner said you’re an hourly employee” 3 weeks into the job. She explained that if I worked 50 hours 52 weeks a year I would make 57200 at a rate of $22, which is 50 hours a week is standard for a salaried restaurant manager but I never work 50 hours a week. I usually work about 44-47. I do not receive any over time. I am making a lot less than I was told and I’m not getting by. I have almost every single clock in/clock out from when I started. The owner is an extremely toxic, vile and aggressive man so trying to rectify this through him is not an option. What can I do? I don’t have this down in writing that I’m supposed to have a salary but I’m also working hourly and not making overtime.
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i88ey7e
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i8anf21
| 1,652,302,192 | 1,652,345,317 | 5 | 8 |
Is your position considered an exempt salaried position? https://www.dol.ks.gov/-/overtime
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First, we need to know if you meet the duties test for salary exemption. Title means nothing. If you spend the majority of your time doing management duties, then you can be salaried exempt, but if you mostly do what everyone else in the restaurant does, then you can't legally be salaried exempt anyway. Regardless, it's always legal to pay by the hour even if you are eligible for exemption. But, as others have said, you have to be paid overtime. $22x40=880 $33x10=330 (Overtime rate) Total weekly pay=$1210 $1210\*52=$62920 Regardless, it's always legal to pay by the hour, even if you are eligible for exemption. But, as others have said, you have to be paid overtime. Continue to keep track of your hours and file a complaint with your local Department of Labor. I would also look for a new job. Lots of restaurants are hiring, and you don't want to stay with someone dishonest. Getting a new job doesn't mean you can't make a back claim for overtime pay.
| 0 | 43,125 | 1.6 |
zbr7zc
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legaladvice_train
| 0.95 |
My parents want me to manage my mentally handicapped brother's finances and be a co-conservator when they are dead, I don't want to. How do I deal with this? I have a brother who has low-functioning autism, and he is unable to take care of himself. While my parents plan to put him under the conservatorship of his caregiver, they want to make either me or one of my other brothers co-conservator and manage his trust fund, because they don't trust non-family with the fund. I am honestly not the best person to do either. Not only will I possibly live across the country with a family of my own by the time they're gone but I am not on the best terms with him. He has tormented me so much in my college years and for a little while afterwards that I'd really rather not be responsible for him even partially. This won't be for another 20 or so years, but what are my options?
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iyspu2v
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iyspapd
| 1,670,103,177 | 1,670,102,939 | 2,369 | 923 |
You say "sorry, mom and dad, I'm not the right person for this."
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You can say no.
| 1 | 238 | 2.566631 |
zbr7zc
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legaladvice_train
| 0.95 |
My parents want me to manage my mentally handicapped brother's finances and be a co-conservator when they are dead, I don't want to. How do I deal with this? I have a brother who has low-functioning autism, and he is unable to take care of himself. While my parents plan to put him under the conservatorship of his caregiver, they want to make either me or one of my other brothers co-conservator and manage his trust fund, because they don't trust non-family with the fund. I am honestly not the best person to do either. Not only will I possibly live across the country with a family of my own by the time they're gone but I am not on the best terms with him. He has tormented me so much in my college years and for a little while afterwards that I'd really rather not be responsible for him even partially. This won't be for another 20 or so years, but what are my options?
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iystzag
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iyspapd
| 1,670,104,986 | 1,670,102,939 | 1,404 | 923 |
I’m a guardianship attorney in Florida. Other states call it conservatorship and there’s nuances but the concept is mostly the same. I want to start off by saying you are not alone. Many people feel this way. You have options. You can be appointed as a standby guardian which means when it comes time for you to step in you still have to do several things before actually being appointed as guardian. You essentially have 3 options: At that time, you can hire a professional guardian (which isn’t free typically 50-150$ an hour depending on experience) or you have to technically abandon him and a public guardian can be appointed. A public guardian is similar to a public defender, in that it is government funded and free. Your last option, when your parents pass are to be guardian but hire a case manager. They do all the hard work, for hire of course. Think of day to day things while you are still the guardian. It’s like offshoring pain in the but work without giving up power. This is what I recommend if the ward has finances. As an aside, caregivers usually can’t be guardians. It’s disqualifying at least in my state. As another aside, if there are funds, you can be paid for your hard work, usually around $50 an hour for your services to him. I don’t typically recommend that for family members but sometimes taking care of loved ones can take up so much time you can’t work to sustain yourself. That is when I recommend this.
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You can say no.
| 1 | 2,047 | 1.521127 |
zbr7zc
|
legaladvice_train
| 0.95 |
My parents want me to manage my mentally handicapped brother's finances and be a co-conservator when they are dead, I don't want to. How do I deal with this? I have a brother who has low-functioning autism, and he is unable to take care of himself. While my parents plan to put him under the conservatorship of his caregiver, they want to make either me or one of my other brothers co-conservator and manage his trust fund, because they don't trust non-family with the fund. I am honestly not the best person to do either. Not only will I possibly live across the country with a family of my own by the time they're gone but I am not on the best terms with him. He has tormented me so much in my college years and for a little while afterwards that I'd really rather not be responsible for him even partially. This won't be for another 20 or so years, but what are my options?
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iytu2e3
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iytgfxl
| 1,670,122,070 | 1,670,115,368 | 29 | 24 |
You have no legal obligation here. I am in the same situation but have decided to care for my brother. I didn’t always feel this way, but now in my 40s I have a better sense of what I can and can’t handle. Maybe you can ask to be appointed in some years.
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They can pay for corporate trust management. It tends to be more rigidly enforced and that’s not always ideal for quickly and humanly dealing with unexpected issues but is going to be above board. Keep in mind that this is expensive and inheritance for all of the kids might be reduced if they are planning for a lifetime of paid trust management for your disabled brother. Not that you should agree to something you don’t want to do to preserve your potential inheritance. I am not suggesting that at all. Just wanted to point out that it might change the way that they plan the estate. I would not delay in telling them though so that they can get to planning. Whoever they use for asset management should be able to make a referral for those services if the estate planning attorney is not able to.
| 1 | 6,702 | 1.208333 |
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