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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhu04ck
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hhtoqgg
| 1,635,056,350 | 1,635,048,672 | 163 | 111 |
Contact the liquor board. Tell them this bar was going to send your actual ID there and you want to know the process for getting it back, should this occur in the future. If it is sketchy, this would be a great way to get the scent picked up.
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Not a lawyer but I suspect the state liquor board or local District attorney’s offices accept written complaints (or other appropriate bureau). If their conduct was criminal the bureau/department can take further action. Arguably taking your real ID is theft, but I’m not sure if bars would have an extra defense
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qeb9cn
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhu04ck
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hhtx0em
| 1,635,056,350 | 1,635,054,024 | 163 | 80 |
Contact the liquor board. Tell them this bar was going to send your actual ID there and you want to know the process for getting it back, should this occur in the future. If it is sketchy, this would be a great way to get the scent picked up.
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I used to do tobacco checks in highschool with the police department, the health department, and the FDA. Your ID is *your* property. You *pay* the government for your identification card and it is yours. Refusal to return said property or destruction of said property is a crime and you should call the police. I have been explicitly told by the Health Department and my police department that the destruction of that property is illegal.
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qeb9cn
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtnvg4
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hhu04ck
| 1,635,048,170 | 1,635,056,350 | 54 | 163 |
When I worked on a government installation, we were only able to confiscate expired ID'S, this bar can't pull your ID or drivers license off of suspicion. This doesn't sound right at all, and the fact the bouncer was showing your sensitive information (DOB, full name, and DL #) all information for the police to call over for dispatch to verify you as an individual is not only unprofessional, but places you in potential harm. Plus the carelessness of the owner keeping your ID in their pocket. I would report this to BBB and leaves reviews.
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Contact the liquor board. Tell them this bar was going to send your actual ID there and you want to know the process for getting it back, should this occur in the future. If it is sketchy, this would be a great way to get the scent picked up.
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qeb9cn
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hht9kru
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hhu04ck
| 1,635,040,745 | 1,635,056,350 | 46 | 163 |
Wouldn't an OR license technically be property of the State of Oregon, issued to a specific individual for a specific set of purposes? Call the issuing state's Attorney General. Article IV of the federal Constitution pretty explicitly talks about how states can and should treat documents that come from other states.
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Contact the liquor board. Tell them this bar was going to send your actual ID there and you want to know the process for getting it back, should this occur in the future. If it is sketchy, this would be a great way to get the scent picked up.
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qeb9cn
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtq8lh
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hhu04ck
| 1,635,049,576 | 1,635,056,350 | 33 | 163 |
Contact the liquor control board of your state and file a complaint.
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Contact the liquor board. Tell them this bar was going to send your actual ID there and you want to know the process for getting it back, should this occur in the future. If it is sketchy, this would be a great way to get the scent picked up.
| 0 | 6,774 | 4.939394 |
qeb9cn
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legaladvice_train
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhu04ck
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hhtishh
| 1,635,056,350 | 1,635,045,385 | 163 | 32 |
Contact the liquor board. Tell them this bar was going to send your actual ID there and you want to know the process for getting it back, should this occur in the future. If it is sketchy, this would be a great way to get the scent picked up.
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Practical advice, if it happens again: request a replacement ID with the explanation that it was stolen.
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qeb9cn
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtnvg4
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hhtoqgg
| 1,635,048,170 | 1,635,048,672 | 54 | 111 |
When I worked on a government installation, we were only able to confiscate expired ID'S, this bar can't pull your ID or drivers license off of suspicion. This doesn't sound right at all, and the fact the bouncer was showing your sensitive information (DOB, full name, and DL #) all information for the police to call over for dispatch to verify you as an individual is not only unprofessional, but places you in potential harm. Plus the carelessness of the owner keeping your ID in their pocket. I would report this to BBB and leaves reviews.
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Not a lawyer but I suspect the state liquor board or local District attorney’s offices accept written complaints (or other appropriate bureau). If their conduct was criminal the bureau/department can take further action. Arguably taking your real ID is theft, but I’m not sure if bars would have an extra defense
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qeb9cn
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtoqgg
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hht9kru
| 1,635,048,672 | 1,635,040,745 | 111 | 46 |
Not a lawyer but I suspect the state liquor board or local District attorney’s offices accept written complaints (or other appropriate bureau). If their conduct was criminal the bureau/department can take further action. Arguably taking your real ID is theft, but I’m not sure if bars would have an extra defense
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Wouldn't an OR license technically be property of the State of Oregon, issued to a specific individual for a specific set of purposes? Call the issuing state's Attorney General. Article IV of the federal Constitution pretty explicitly talks about how states can and should treat documents that come from other states.
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qeb9cn
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtishh
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hhtoqgg
| 1,635,045,385 | 1,635,048,672 | 32 | 111 |
Practical advice, if it happens again: request a replacement ID with the explanation that it was stolen.
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Not a lawyer but I suspect the state liquor board or local District attorney’s offices accept written complaints (or other appropriate bureau). If their conduct was criminal the bureau/department can take further action. Arguably taking your real ID is theft, but I’m not sure if bars would have an extra defense
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qeb9cn
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtx0em
| 1,635,057,952 | 1,635,054,024 | 92 | 80 |
You need to consult a lawyer about this massive breach of privacy. Does the ID have your address on it? How many people did he show your address to?
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I used to do tobacco checks in highschool with the police department, the health department, and the FDA. Your ID is *your* property. You *pay* the government for your identification card and it is yours. Refusal to return said property or destruction of said property is a crime and you should call the police. I have been explicitly told by the Health Department and my police department that the destruction of that property is illegal.
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhu27bm
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hhtnvg4
| 1,635,057,952 | 1,635,048,170 | 92 | 54 |
You need to consult a lawyer about this massive breach of privacy. Does the ID have your address on it? How many people did he show your address to?
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When I worked on a government installation, we were only able to confiscate expired ID'S, this bar can't pull your ID or drivers license off of suspicion. This doesn't sound right at all, and the fact the bouncer was showing your sensitive information (DOB, full name, and DL #) all information for the police to call over for dispatch to verify you as an individual is not only unprofessional, but places you in potential harm. Plus the carelessness of the owner keeping your ID in their pocket. I would report this to BBB and leaves reviews.
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qeb9cn
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hht9kru
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hhu27bm
| 1,635,040,745 | 1,635,057,952 | 46 | 92 |
Wouldn't an OR license technically be property of the State of Oregon, issued to a specific individual for a specific set of purposes? Call the issuing state's Attorney General. Article IV of the federal Constitution pretty explicitly talks about how states can and should treat documents that come from other states.
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You need to consult a lawyer about this massive breach of privacy. Does the ID have your address on it? How many people did he show your address to?
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtq8lh
| 1,635,057,952 | 1,635,049,576 | 92 | 33 |
You need to consult a lawyer about this massive breach of privacy. Does the ID have your address on it? How many people did he show your address to?
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Contact the liquor control board of your state and file a complaint.
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtishh
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| 1,635,045,385 | 1,635,057,952 | 32 | 92 |
Practical advice, if it happens again: request a replacement ID with the explanation that it was stolen.
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You need to consult a lawyer about this massive breach of privacy. Does the ID have your address on it? How many people did he show your address to?
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qeb9cn
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtx0em
| 1,635,048,170 | 1,635,054,024 | 54 | 80 |
When I worked on a government installation, we were only able to confiscate expired ID'S, this bar can't pull your ID or drivers license off of suspicion. This doesn't sound right at all, and the fact the bouncer was showing your sensitive information (DOB, full name, and DL #) all information for the police to call over for dispatch to verify you as an individual is not only unprofessional, but places you in potential harm. Plus the carelessness of the owner keeping your ID in their pocket. I would report this to BBB and leaves reviews.
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I used to do tobacco checks in highschool with the police department, the health department, and the FDA. Your ID is *your* property. You *pay* the government for your identification card and it is yours. Refusal to return said property or destruction of said property is a crime and you should call the police. I have been explicitly told by the Health Department and my police department that the destruction of that property is illegal.
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtx0em
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hht9kru
| 1,635,054,024 | 1,635,040,745 | 80 | 46 |
I used to do tobacco checks in highschool with the police department, the health department, and the FDA. Your ID is *your* property. You *pay* the government for your identification card and it is yours. Refusal to return said property or destruction of said property is a crime and you should call the police. I have been explicitly told by the Health Department and my police department that the destruction of that property is illegal.
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Wouldn't an OR license technically be property of the State of Oregon, issued to a specific individual for a specific set of purposes? Call the issuing state's Attorney General. Article IV of the federal Constitution pretty explicitly talks about how states can and should treat documents that come from other states.
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtq8lh
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hhtx0em
| 1,635,049,576 | 1,635,054,024 | 33 | 80 |
Contact the liquor control board of your state and file a complaint.
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I used to do tobacco checks in highschool with the police department, the health department, and the FDA. Your ID is *your* property. You *pay* the government for your identification card and it is yours. Refusal to return said property or destruction of said property is a crime and you should call the police. I have been explicitly told by the Health Department and my police department that the destruction of that property is illegal.
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qeb9cn
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtishh
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hhtx0em
| 1,635,045,385 | 1,635,054,024 | 32 | 80 |
Practical advice, if it happens again: request a replacement ID with the explanation that it was stolen.
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I used to do tobacco checks in highschool with the police department, the health department, and the FDA. Your ID is *your* property. You *pay* the government for your identification card and it is yours. Refusal to return said property or destruction of said property is a crime and you should call the police. I have been explicitly told by the Health Department and my police department that the destruction of that property is illegal.
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtnvg4
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hht9kru
| 1,635,048,170 | 1,635,040,745 | 54 | 46 |
When I worked on a government installation, we were only able to confiscate expired ID'S, this bar can't pull your ID or drivers license off of suspicion. This doesn't sound right at all, and the fact the bouncer was showing your sensitive information (DOB, full name, and DL #) all information for the police to call over for dispatch to verify you as an individual is not only unprofessional, but places you in potential harm. Plus the carelessness of the owner keeping your ID in their pocket. I would report this to BBB and leaves reviews.
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Wouldn't an OR license technically be property of the State of Oregon, issued to a specific individual for a specific set of purposes? Call the issuing state's Attorney General. Article IV of the federal Constitution pretty explicitly talks about how states can and should treat documents that come from other states.
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtishh
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hhtnvg4
| 1,635,045,385 | 1,635,048,170 | 32 | 54 |
Practical advice, if it happens again: request a replacement ID with the explanation that it was stolen.
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When I worked on a government installation, we were only able to confiscate expired ID'S, this bar can't pull your ID or drivers license off of suspicion. This doesn't sound right at all, and the fact the bouncer was showing your sensitive information (DOB, full name, and DL #) all information for the police to call over for dispatch to verify you as an individual is not only unprofessional, but places you in potential harm. Plus the carelessness of the owner keeping your ID in their pocket. I would report this to BBB and leaves reviews.
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Bouncer took my real ID saying it was fake. The bouncer also showed my ID to other people he thought had fake IDs. On Thursday night I went to a bar in Spokane Washington with some friends. The bouncer at the door took a look at my ID and then said it was fake. He then confiscated it. For reference I have an Oregon ID. I proceeded to argue with him and he said if I wanted it back I had to call the police. I called the police and after waiting an hour for a response they called my saying I had to return to the bar tomorrow and talk to management if I wanted to get my ID back. After I left the bar I was then told by two different people that the bouncer had been showing other people trying to get into the bar my ID. Apparently he was using it as proof that their IDs were also fake or something. I returned to the bar yesterday and talked to the bartender who said they had sent all the taken IDs to the state liquor board. After arguing with him I was able to talk to the owner of the bar. The owner asked for my name and after hearing it took my ID out of his pocket. He then said he believed it was fake and told me the only way I could prove it was real was by sending it to the state liquor board. After arguing with him more he gave it back to me but said if I ever try to go to the bar again they will take it. Ironically I have been to this bar in the past and they never thought it was fake. I also question whether he actually though it was fake given that he already had it in his pocket. I’m assuming that because he gave my ID back there isn’t really any crime being committed, I’m just curious what my rights are as a citizen when it comes to my ID being taken by a bar. I am also wondering if the bouncer violated any laws by showing my ID to other people at the bar.
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hhtishh
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hhtq8lh
| 1,635,045,385 | 1,635,049,576 | 32 | 33 |
Practical advice, if it happens again: request a replacement ID with the explanation that it was stolen.
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Contact the liquor control board of your state and file a complaint.
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Roommate arrested, cops took my passport during search and seizure making me miss my flight and cruise trip to a foreign country To start off, I was not aware of my roommate's alleged crimes and no charges were filed against me. I had my passport in his safe because I thought it was the safest place to keep important stuff and I trusted him (long time friends). I was forced to wait outside while the cops searched our place. They interviewed me and concluded that I was not involved in anything illegal. After the cops left, I noticed that they took my passport from my roommate's safe (it said so in the voucher/receipt they left). The flight and the cruise trip were scheduled for the next day. I missed both of them and neitber of them was refundable. What are my options? Can I legally ask my roommate to compensate for my loss? What about the cops? They took my property which without a doubt had nothing to do with my roommate's crimes. Thank you. Also, this happened a few weeks ago if that makes any difference. A few posts below me reminded me to post this.
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d3g45ds
| 1,463,995,445 | 1,463,986,136 | 266 | 53 |
In the future to anyone reading this, you can get a new passport made the same day (Costs roughly $200). https://iafdb.travel.state.gov/
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>which without a doubt had nothing to do with my roommate's crimes No, because it was in a locked safe that absolutely did have something to do with his crimes. Sue him if you want, but do you know if he has enough money on hand to cover the damages, if he is actually guilty of what he's accused of (he could be just as unfairly screwed as you are. I dunno, you might know what he's charged with you might not, you seem intentionally vague), and are you willing to spend the legal fees knowing there isnt a 100 percent chance you get full damages paid?
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Roommate arrested, cops took my passport during search and seizure making me miss my flight and cruise trip to a foreign country To start off, I was not aware of my roommate's alleged crimes and no charges were filed against me. I had my passport in his safe because I thought it was the safest place to keep important stuff and I trusted him (long time friends). I was forced to wait outside while the cops searched our place. They interviewed me and concluded that I was not involved in anything illegal. After the cops left, I noticed that they took my passport from my roommate's safe (it said so in the voucher/receipt they left). The flight and the cruise trip were scheduled for the next day. I missed both of them and neitber of them was refundable. What are my options? Can I legally ask my roommate to compensate for my loss? What about the cops? They took my property which without a doubt had nothing to do with my roommate's crimes. Thank you. Also, this happened a few weeks ago if that makes any difference. A few posts below me reminded me to post this.
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d3g4uxc
| 1,463,995,445 | 1,463,988,375 | 266 | 43 |
In the future to anyone reading this, you can get a new passport made the same day (Costs roughly $200). https://iafdb.travel.state.gov/
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You didn't think about going to the police station when you realised they took it to ask if you could have it back?
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4kmmew
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Roommate arrested, cops took my passport during search and seizure making me miss my flight and cruise trip to a foreign country To start off, I was not aware of my roommate's alleged crimes and no charges were filed against me. I had my passport in his safe because I thought it was the safest place to keep important stuff and I trusted him (long time friends). I was forced to wait outside while the cops searched our place. They interviewed me and concluded that I was not involved in anything illegal. After the cops left, I noticed that they took my passport from my roommate's safe (it said so in the voucher/receipt they left). The flight and the cruise trip were scheduled for the next day. I missed both of them and neitber of them was refundable. What are my options? Can I legally ask my roommate to compensate for my loss? What about the cops? They took my property which without a doubt had nothing to do with my roommate's crimes. Thank you. Also, this happened a few weeks ago if that makes any difference. A few posts below me reminded me to post this.
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d3g6ste
| 1,463,993,310 | 1,463,995,445 | 21 | 266 |
Do you have travel Insurance?
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In the future to anyone reading this, you can get a new passport made the same day (Costs roughly $200). https://iafdb.travel.state.gov/
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Boss having/trying to have sex with teenagers Hey, I’m trying to find information on this because it feels wrong but I’m unsure what to do. Im in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. My boss who is over 30 years old who keeps hitting on teenagers and trying to get them to have sex with him. He had sex with a 17 year old and got out on paid leave, but came back and HR said he didn’t do anything wrong. I know the legal age of consent is 16, but he’s her boss. He continually asks minors to speak with him privately in back rooms or just straight up asks for sex. Is this not illegal? They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. I want to help these girls, but I really don’t know what to do.
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j2aogwu
| 1,672,435,691 | 1,672,435,660 | 151 | 8 |
> They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. If they are fired for reporting sexual harassment, then they will have a terrific wrongful termination claim against the company.
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These are all employees? Encourage them to contact the EEOC.
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Boss having/trying to have sex with teenagers Hey, I’m trying to find information on this because it feels wrong but I’m unsure what to do. Im in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. My boss who is over 30 years old who keeps hitting on teenagers and trying to get them to have sex with him. He had sex with a 17 year old and got out on paid leave, but came back and HR said he didn’t do anything wrong. I know the legal age of consent is 16, but he’s her boss. He continually asks minors to speak with him privately in back rooms or just straight up asks for sex. Is this not illegal? They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. I want to help these girls, but I really don’t know what to do.
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j2aojvi
| 1,672,435,569 | 1,672,435,691 | 7 | 151 |
Technically this might be considered Child Seduction, which is a crime in Indiana, and could be reported to the police. Whether or not they'd actually pursue it is anyone's guess though. EDIT: On second glance, it looks like this would not be covered, unfortunately.
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> They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. If they are fired for reporting sexual harassment, then they will have a terrific wrongful termination claim against the company.
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Boss having/trying to have sex with teenagers Hey, I’m trying to find information on this because it feels wrong but I’m unsure what to do. Im in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. My boss who is over 30 years old who keeps hitting on teenagers and trying to get them to have sex with him. He had sex with a 17 year old and got out on paid leave, but came back and HR said he didn’t do anything wrong. I know the legal age of consent is 16, but he’s her boss. He continually asks minors to speak with him privately in back rooms or just straight up asks for sex. Is this not illegal? They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. I want to help these girls, but I really don’t know what to do.
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| 1,672,437,585 | 1,672,440,079 | 24 | 97 |
Yikes yikes yikes. I don't believe this is criminal behavior. Indiana does have a law on "child seduction" that prohibits sex between a minor under age 18 based on certain kinds of relationships that person may have to the minor, but it does not seem to include the boss/employee relationship as one of the forms that are prohibited. That said, I have no doubt that this creep would potentially go after children under the age of 16 if he believed they were 16, which is not a defense to statutory rape charges. I also wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to procure child porn, or committing other federal crimes. I do think it's appropriate to report this guy to the police as a potential child predator. However I think the police will need more than to confirm what you wrote here in order to arrest or charge him. The civil side is much clearer, though. If he does this with ANY employees, it's sexual harassment - whether the employees are minors or not, whether any sex actually happens or not. Any employer with at least 15 employees is subject to the workplace discrimination laws that prohibit sexual harassment at the federal level. The fact that you know of multiple cases already suggests this is extremely blatant. This is something the employer is responsible for - meaning not just the boss personally, but also the entire company. The employees involved here (and this could include you - the sexual harassment even if it's targeted at others - affects *everyone*) should complain about this through official channels. Write up the complaint, and then before you send it to whoever you intend to complain to, save the complaint AND save every piece of documentation you have about your job that you might lose access to if you were suddenly fired. Then submit the written complaint. After that, you should continue to save documentation about everything at work - any responses to the complaint, as well as any new information (like if the boss starts writing someone up for mistakes). The more evidence you have the better a case would be. Simultaneously to making the complaint you should also complain to the EEOC here: https://www.eeoc.gov/filing-charge-discrimination, and your complaint should say that you've done this. If any of you do go to the police, I would not tell the employer about that in advance or simultaneously. You don't want to come off as *threatening* to go to the police if they don't do what you want. Go, or don't go, but definitely don't threaten - that will make you seem like a liability.
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Regardless of the ages of the employees, this sounds like straight-up textbook sexual harassment that easily meets the bar for being quite illegal. > Harassment becomes unlawful where 1) enduring the offensive conduct becomes a condition of continued employment, or 2) the conduct is severe or pervasive enough to create a work environment that a reasonable person would consider intimidating, hostile, or abusive. As mentioned, *you* can file a harassment complaint with the EEOC (and HR, of course) if the direct targets don't want to. > The victim does not have to be the person harassed, but can be anyone affected by the offensive conduct. And your employer is absolutely on the hook if they know about this but don't address the situation. > The employer is automatically liable for harassment by a supervisor that results in a negative employment action such as termination, failure to promote or hire, and loss of wages. If the supervisor's harassment results in a hostile work environment, the employer can avoid liability only if it can prove that: 1) it reasonably tried to prevent and promptly correct the harassing behavior; and 2) the employee unreasonably failed to take advantage of any preventive or corrective opportunities provided by the employer. Edit: u/nonrealexis, it's important to note that the laws that the EEOC enforces prohibiting such harassment only kick in if the employer has at least 15 employees. If you are working for a very small company, this specific advice may not apply
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Boss having/trying to have sex with teenagers Hey, I’m trying to find information on this because it feels wrong but I’m unsure what to do. Im in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. My boss who is over 30 years old who keeps hitting on teenagers and trying to get them to have sex with him. He had sex with a 17 year old and got out on paid leave, but came back and HR said he didn’t do anything wrong. I know the legal age of consent is 16, but he’s her boss. He continually asks minors to speak with him privately in back rooms or just straight up asks for sex. Is this not illegal? They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. I want to help these girls, but I really don’t know what to do.
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| 1,672,435,660 | 1,672,440,079 | 8 | 97 |
These are all employees? Encourage them to contact the EEOC.
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Regardless of the ages of the employees, this sounds like straight-up textbook sexual harassment that easily meets the bar for being quite illegal. > Harassment becomes unlawful where 1) enduring the offensive conduct becomes a condition of continued employment, or 2) the conduct is severe or pervasive enough to create a work environment that a reasonable person would consider intimidating, hostile, or abusive. As mentioned, *you* can file a harassment complaint with the EEOC (and HR, of course) if the direct targets don't want to. > The victim does not have to be the person harassed, but can be anyone affected by the offensive conduct. And your employer is absolutely on the hook if they know about this but don't address the situation. > The employer is automatically liable for harassment by a supervisor that results in a negative employment action such as termination, failure to promote or hire, and loss of wages. If the supervisor's harassment results in a hostile work environment, the employer can avoid liability only if it can prove that: 1) it reasonably tried to prevent and promptly correct the harassing behavior; and 2) the employee unreasonably failed to take advantage of any preventive or corrective opportunities provided by the employer. Edit: u/nonrealexis, it's important to note that the laws that the EEOC enforces prohibiting such harassment only kick in if the employer has at least 15 employees. If you are working for a very small company, this specific advice may not apply
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Boss having/trying to have sex with teenagers Hey, I’m trying to find information on this because it feels wrong but I’m unsure what to do. Im in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. My boss who is over 30 years old who keeps hitting on teenagers and trying to get them to have sex with him. He had sex with a 17 year old and got out on paid leave, but came back and HR said he didn’t do anything wrong. I know the legal age of consent is 16, but he’s her boss. He continually asks minors to speak with him privately in back rooms or just straight up asks for sex. Is this not illegal? They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. I want to help these girls, but I really don’t know what to do.
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j2ao8ic
| 1,672,440,079 | 1,672,435,569 | 97 | 7 |
Regardless of the ages of the employees, this sounds like straight-up textbook sexual harassment that easily meets the bar for being quite illegal. > Harassment becomes unlawful where 1) enduring the offensive conduct becomes a condition of continued employment, or 2) the conduct is severe or pervasive enough to create a work environment that a reasonable person would consider intimidating, hostile, or abusive. As mentioned, *you* can file a harassment complaint with the EEOC (and HR, of course) if the direct targets don't want to. > The victim does not have to be the person harassed, but can be anyone affected by the offensive conduct. And your employer is absolutely on the hook if they know about this but don't address the situation. > The employer is automatically liable for harassment by a supervisor that results in a negative employment action such as termination, failure to promote or hire, and loss of wages. If the supervisor's harassment results in a hostile work environment, the employer can avoid liability only if it can prove that: 1) it reasonably tried to prevent and promptly correct the harassing behavior; and 2) the employee unreasonably failed to take advantage of any preventive or corrective opportunities provided by the employer. Edit: u/nonrealexis, it's important to note that the laws that the EEOC enforces prohibiting such harassment only kick in if the employer has at least 15 employees. If you are working for a very small company, this specific advice may not apply
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Technically this might be considered Child Seduction, which is a crime in Indiana, and could be reported to the police. Whether or not they'd actually pursue it is anyone's guess though. EDIT: On second glance, it looks like this would not be covered, unfortunately.
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Boss having/trying to have sex with teenagers Hey, I’m trying to find information on this because it feels wrong but I’m unsure what to do. Im in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. My boss who is over 30 years old who keeps hitting on teenagers and trying to get them to have sex with him. He had sex with a 17 year old and got out on paid leave, but came back and HR said he didn’t do anything wrong. I know the legal age of consent is 16, but he’s her boss. He continually asks minors to speak with him privately in back rooms or just straight up asks for sex. Is this not illegal? They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. I want to help these girls, but I really don’t know what to do.
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j2atdbg
| 1,672,435,660 | 1,672,437,585 | 8 | 24 |
These are all employees? Encourage them to contact the EEOC.
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Yikes yikes yikes. I don't believe this is criminal behavior. Indiana does have a law on "child seduction" that prohibits sex between a minor under age 18 based on certain kinds of relationships that person may have to the minor, but it does not seem to include the boss/employee relationship as one of the forms that are prohibited. That said, I have no doubt that this creep would potentially go after children under the age of 16 if he believed they were 16, which is not a defense to statutory rape charges. I also wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to procure child porn, or committing other federal crimes. I do think it's appropriate to report this guy to the police as a potential child predator. However I think the police will need more than to confirm what you wrote here in order to arrest or charge him. The civil side is much clearer, though. If he does this with ANY employees, it's sexual harassment - whether the employees are minors or not, whether any sex actually happens or not. Any employer with at least 15 employees is subject to the workplace discrimination laws that prohibit sexual harassment at the federal level. The fact that you know of multiple cases already suggests this is extremely blatant. This is something the employer is responsible for - meaning not just the boss personally, but also the entire company. The employees involved here (and this could include you - the sexual harassment even if it's targeted at others - affects *everyone*) should complain about this through official channels. Write up the complaint, and then before you send it to whoever you intend to complain to, save the complaint AND save every piece of documentation you have about your job that you might lose access to if you were suddenly fired. Then submit the written complaint. After that, you should continue to save documentation about everything at work - any responses to the complaint, as well as any new information (like if the boss starts writing someone up for mistakes). The more evidence you have the better a case would be. Simultaneously to making the complaint you should also complain to the EEOC here: https://www.eeoc.gov/filing-charge-discrimination, and your complaint should say that you've done this. If any of you do go to the police, I would not tell the employer about that in advance or simultaneously. You don't want to come off as *threatening* to go to the police if they don't do what you want. Go, or don't go, but definitely don't threaten - that will make you seem like a liability.
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Boss having/trying to have sex with teenagers Hey, I’m trying to find information on this because it feels wrong but I’m unsure what to do. Im in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. My boss who is over 30 years old who keeps hitting on teenagers and trying to get them to have sex with him. He had sex with a 17 year old and got out on paid leave, but came back and HR said he didn’t do anything wrong. I know the legal age of consent is 16, but he’s her boss. He continually asks minors to speak with him privately in back rooms or just straight up asks for sex. Is this not illegal? They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. I want to help these girls, but I really don’t know what to do.
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j2ao8ic
| 1,672,437,585 | 1,672,435,569 | 24 | 7 |
Yikes yikes yikes. I don't believe this is criminal behavior. Indiana does have a law on "child seduction" that prohibits sex between a minor under age 18 based on certain kinds of relationships that person may have to the minor, but it does not seem to include the boss/employee relationship as one of the forms that are prohibited. That said, I have no doubt that this creep would potentially go after children under the age of 16 if he believed they were 16, which is not a defense to statutory rape charges. I also wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to procure child porn, or committing other federal crimes. I do think it's appropriate to report this guy to the police as a potential child predator. However I think the police will need more than to confirm what you wrote here in order to arrest or charge him. The civil side is much clearer, though. If he does this with ANY employees, it's sexual harassment - whether the employees are minors or not, whether any sex actually happens or not. Any employer with at least 15 employees is subject to the workplace discrimination laws that prohibit sexual harassment at the federal level. The fact that you know of multiple cases already suggests this is extremely blatant. This is something the employer is responsible for - meaning not just the boss personally, but also the entire company. The employees involved here (and this could include you - the sexual harassment even if it's targeted at others - affects *everyone*) should complain about this through official channels. Write up the complaint, and then before you send it to whoever you intend to complain to, save the complaint AND save every piece of documentation you have about your job that you might lose access to if you were suddenly fired. Then submit the written complaint. After that, you should continue to save documentation about everything at work - any responses to the complaint, as well as any new information (like if the boss starts writing someone up for mistakes). The more evidence you have the better a case would be. Simultaneously to making the complaint you should also complain to the EEOC here: https://www.eeoc.gov/filing-charge-discrimination, and your complaint should say that you've done this. If any of you do go to the police, I would not tell the employer about that in advance or simultaneously. You don't want to come off as *threatening* to go to the police if they don't do what you want. Go, or don't go, but definitely don't threaten - that will make you seem like a liability.
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Technically this might be considered Child Seduction, which is a crime in Indiana, and could be reported to the police. Whether or not they'd actually pursue it is anyone's guess though. EDIT: On second glance, it looks like this would not be covered, unfortunately.
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Boss having/trying to have sex with teenagers Hey, I’m trying to find information on this because it feels wrong but I’m unsure what to do. Im in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. My boss who is over 30 years old who keeps hitting on teenagers and trying to get them to have sex with him. He had sex with a 17 year old and got out on paid leave, but came back and HR said he didn’t do anything wrong. I know the legal age of consent is 16, but he’s her boss. He continually asks minors to speak with him privately in back rooms or just straight up asks for sex. Is this not illegal? They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. I want to help these girls, but I really don’t know what to do.
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| 1,672,455,361 | 1,672,435,660 | 12 | 8 |
BTW. Here is the link for your state’s mandated reporting laws. https://incacs.org/indianas-mandated-reporting-law-means-everyone-even-duty-children/
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These are all employees? Encourage them to contact the EEOC.
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Boss having/trying to have sex with teenagers Hey, I’m trying to find information on this because it feels wrong but I’m unsure what to do. Im in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. My boss who is over 30 years old who keeps hitting on teenagers and trying to get them to have sex with him. He had sex with a 17 year old and got out on paid leave, but came back and HR said he didn’t do anything wrong. I know the legal age of consent is 16, but he’s her boss. He continually asks minors to speak with him privately in back rooms or just straight up asks for sex. Is this not illegal? They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. I want to help these girls, but I really don’t know what to do.
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j2ao8ic
| 1,672,455,361 | 1,672,435,569 | 12 | 7 |
BTW. Here is the link for your state’s mandated reporting laws. https://incacs.org/indianas-mandated-reporting-law-means-everyone-even-duty-children/
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Technically this might be considered Child Seduction, which is a crime in Indiana, and could be reported to the police. Whether or not they'd actually pursue it is anyone's guess though. EDIT: On second glance, it looks like this would not be covered, unfortunately.
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Boss having/trying to have sex with teenagers Hey, I’m trying to find information on this because it feels wrong but I’m unsure what to do. Im in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. My boss who is over 30 years old who keeps hitting on teenagers and trying to get them to have sex with him. He had sex with a 17 year old and got out on paid leave, but came back and HR said he didn’t do anything wrong. I know the legal age of consent is 16, but he’s her boss. He continually asks minors to speak with him privately in back rooms or just straight up asks for sex. Is this not illegal? They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. I want to help these girls, but I really don’t know what to do.
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You might get help by contacting the Child Abuse Hotline in your state. They are well versed on the laws and will contact police and DA if further investigation is needed. Child victims are defined as under 18. It is not up to you to investigate. Telling HR is insufficient. Even some local police are not well versed. Indiana Child Abuse Hotline at 1-800-800-5556.
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BTW. Here is the link for your state’s mandated reporting laws. https://incacs.org/indianas-mandated-reporting-law-means-everyone-even-duty-children/
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Boss having/trying to have sex with teenagers Hey, I’m trying to find information on this because it feels wrong but I’m unsure what to do. Im in Indiana, the age of consent is 16. My boss who is over 30 years old who keeps hitting on teenagers and trying to get them to have sex with him. He had sex with a 17 year old and got out on paid leave, but came back and HR said he didn’t do anything wrong. I know the legal age of consent is 16, but he’s her boss. He continually asks minors to speak with him privately in back rooms or just straight up asks for sex. Is this not illegal? They’re scared to go to HR because they don’t want retaliation or to lose their job. I want to help these girls, but I really don’t know what to do.
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| 1,672,435,569 | 1,672,435,660 | 7 | 8 |
Technically this might be considered Child Seduction, which is a crime in Indiana, and could be reported to the police. Whether or not they'd actually pursue it is anyone's guess though. EDIT: On second glance, it looks like this would not be covered, unfortunately.
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These are all employees? Encourage them to contact the EEOC.
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Company Refusing to Stop Sending 100s of Faxes (NC) A company selling gloves, masks, and disinfectant products has been sending my company hundreds of unsolicited faxes. Every day they send us at least one 3-page advertisement. Sometimes twice a day. This has been going on for at least 6 months. Their faxes have used up an entire toner cartridge and reams of paper. I have asked to be removed from their fax list multiple times in multiple different ways. There is a number you can supposedly call to be removed from the list. It goes to an automated message, I have used that to request my removal twice. I have called their sales number, which also goes to an automated message. In desperation, I pretended I wanted to place an order via fax and asked they call me. At that point I spoke to a very rude salesman who seemed very used to this type of call - and assured me I would be removed. Months later, I am still receiving them. I have reported them to the Federal Trade Commission twice. Our fax machine does not allow us to block numbers, otherwise I would have by now. How do I make this stop?
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IIRC, you have a private right of action under federal law against them for the unwanted faxes. I think you can sue them for $500 per violation; the judge can treble that if they find the violation to be knowing and willful. Also, see NC General Statutes 75-115 et seq. They're breaking state law. https://ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByChapter/Chapter_75.html. You also have a private right of action there for $500 per violation. ETA: Print out your fax machine's logs. Every call is a violation.
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Have you filed a complaint with the FCC? They're the organization that handles this. Your company can also file suit privately or contact your state attorney general.
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Employer pushing me out of the group insurance during enrollment due to diabetic in the family. I posted before but have an update. I'll include all info in this post. My employer is changing medical coverage. We are a small company on the west coast, USA. I was called by the insurance broker and informed that because one of my children is diabetic, they wouldn't cover the cost of her insulin and wanted me to instead pick an individual plan instead of the company/group plan. I found out that one other coworker of mine is in a similar situation due to his wife's health condition. This was on 07/21. Since then, the person at my company in charge of the impending health plan change (let's call him Gary) has emailed to say they heard I was "pretty upset," and a second time to say they think it's because of a "misunderstanding" that took place because the broker is from New Jersey and spoke to me "too harshly" since we're more casual on the west coast (also I'm a woman). I informed him it's because it felt discriminatory, not because I'm too sensitive. On Friday 08/05 we (my coworker and I) were told we needed to fill out a waiver saying we were not taking the group coverage, and we would each have a phone call today (Monday 08/08) with the insurance rep about our individual plans. We were also informed that since these were individual and not group coverage the monthly premiums would be paid by us post tax, but that the company would pay us the amount they usually pay towards health insurance so we're not paying for the whole thing. I had questions on how this would impact my taxes, because this would amount to approximately $14,500 "extra" per year that I would now be receiving in "income" for my health plan. Gary said he would look into how that would work tax wise, and that it might be a reimbursement not a payment and not even be taxable. BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW FOR SURE. I reached out on the 5th to my tax preparer but because it's been the weekend I haven't heard back yet. Today (08/08) we were informed our meeting with the insurance broker is being postponed until later in the week but it's critical we get the waivers in today. I'm balking, because I don't want to voluntarily waive our new group coverage if I don't know my new out-of-pocket costs, if I haven't vetted the plan with the insurance broker, and if Gary can't definitively tell me how this will impact my taxes. Am I doing the right thing? Should I be doing something else?
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| 1,660,015,631 | 1,659,994,712 | 566 | 211 |
I spent 15 years in underwriting for a major US health insurance carrier. If your company is offering a company sponsored health plan, they MUST offer coverage to all employees that fit the eligibility requirements (usually full time W-2 employees). They cannot carve out someone based on their increased potential to use the benefits. Even in some types of insurance that allow carveouts, it can only be based on class; things like salaried vs hourly, management vs non-management. DO NOT SIGN THE WAIVER. This is their get-out-of-jail-free card when submitted to the carrier that will just let them act like you decided not to take the coverage. If it were me, I would notify HR in writing that you have concerns about the legality of being forced out of the group health plan and the negative tax implications of the offered individual coverage. I would also notify your state department of insurance that your company's broker is trying to prevent you from enrolling in a company-sponsored plan due to a health condition. The broker can get in a lot of trouble for this. In addition to the tax implication, individual health policies are always way more expensive than company sponsored plans. So giving you the same $$ as they will be paying towards the other employees on the group plan is just going to be a drop in the bucket. Super unfair.
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Do not sign that waiver without a lot more information.
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Employer pushing me out of the group insurance during enrollment due to diabetic in the family. I posted before but have an update. I'll include all info in this post. My employer is changing medical coverage. We are a small company on the west coast, USA. I was called by the insurance broker and informed that because one of my children is diabetic, they wouldn't cover the cost of her insulin and wanted me to instead pick an individual plan instead of the company/group plan. I found out that one other coworker of mine is in a similar situation due to his wife's health condition. This was on 07/21. Since then, the person at my company in charge of the impending health plan change (let's call him Gary) has emailed to say they heard I was "pretty upset," and a second time to say they think it's because of a "misunderstanding" that took place because the broker is from New Jersey and spoke to me "too harshly" since we're more casual on the west coast (also I'm a woman). I informed him it's because it felt discriminatory, not because I'm too sensitive. On Friday 08/05 we (my coworker and I) were told we needed to fill out a waiver saying we were not taking the group coverage, and we would each have a phone call today (Monday 08/08) with the insurance rep about our individual plans. We were also informed that since these were individual and not group coverage the monthly premiums would be paid by us post tax, but that the company would pay us the amount they usually pay towards health insurance so we're not paying for the whole thing. I had questions on how this would impact my taxes, because this would amount to approximately $14,500 "extra" per year that I would now be receiving in "income" for my health plan. Gary said he would look into how that would work tax wise, and that it might be a reimbursement not a payment and not even be taxable. BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW FOR SURE. I reached out on the 5th to my tax preparer but because it's been the weekend I haven't heard back yet. Today (08/08) we were informed our meeting with the insurance broker is being postponed until later in the week but it's critical we get the waivers in today. I'm balking, because I don't want to voluntarily waive our new group coverage if I don't know my new out-of-pocket costs, if I haven't vetted the plan with the insurance broker, and if Gary can't definitively tell me how this will impact my taxes. Am I doing the right thing? Should I be doing something else?
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iji1flj
| 1,660,015,631 | 1,659,996,883 | 566 | 165 |
I spent 15 years in underwriting for a major US health insurance carrier. If your company is offering a company sponsored health plan, they MUST offer coverage to all employees that fit the eligibility requirements (usually full time W-2 employees). They cannot carve out someone based on their increased potential to use the benefits. Even in some types of insurance that allow carveouts, it can only be based on class; things like salaried vs hourly, management vs non-management. DO NOT SIGN THE WAIVER. This is their get-out-of-jail-free card when submitted to the carrier that will just let them act like you decided not to take the coverage. If it were me, I would notify HR in writing that you have concerns about the legality of being forced out of the group health plan and the negative tax implications of the offered individual coverage. I would also notify your state department of insurance that your company's broker is trying to prevent you from enrolling in a company-sponsored plan due to a health condition. The broker can get in a lot of trouble for this. In addition to the tax implication, individual health policies are always way more expensive than company sponsored plans. So giving you the same $$ as they will be paying towards the other employees on the group plan is just going to be a drop in the bucket. Super unfair.
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This sounds like the employer is trying to make an end run around pre-existing condition protections and possibly force you into somrthing that is going to cost you a lot extra in the end. I recommend visiting the state insurance commisioner website and seeing if you can find answers there, or there may be a number there you can call. I would be cautious about trusting answers you get from your employer or their insurance broker.
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Employer pushing me out of the group insurance during enrollment due to diabetic in the family. I posted before but have an update. I'll include all info in this post. My employer is changing medical coverage. We are a small company on the west coast, USA. I was called by the insurance broker and informed that because one of my children is diabetic, they wouldn't cover the cost of her insulin and wanted me to instead pick an individual plan instead of the company/group plan. I found out that one other coworker of mine is in a similar situation due to his wife's health condition. This was on 07/21. Since then, the person at my company in charge of the impending health plan change (let's call him Gary) has emailed to say they heard I was "pretty upset," and a second time to say they think it's because of a "misunderstanding" that took place because the broker is from New Jersey and spoke to me "too harshly" since we're more casual on the west coast (also I'm a woman). I informed him it's because it felt discriminatory, not because I'm too sensitive. On Friday 08/05 we (my coworker and I) were told we needed to fill out a waiver saying we were not taking the group coverage, and we would each have a phone call today (Monday 08/08) with the insurance rep about our individual plans. We were also informed that since these were individual and not group coverage the monthly premiums would be paid by us post tax, but that the company would pay us the amount they usually pay towards health insurance so we're not paying for the whole thing. I had questions on how this would impact my taxes, because this would amount to approximately $14,500 "extra" per year that I would now be receiving in "income" for my health plan. Gary said he would look into how that would work tax wise, and that it might be a reimbursement not a payment and not even be taxable. BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW FOR SURE. I reached out on the 5th to my tax preparer but because it's been the weekend I haven't heard back yet. Today (08/08) we were informed our meeting with the insurance broker is being postponed until later in the week but it's critical we get the waivers in today. I'm balking, because I don't want to voluntarily waive our new group coverage if I don't know my new out-of-pocket costs, if I haven't vetted the plan with the insurance broker, and if Gary can't definitively tell me how this will impact my taxes. Am I doing the right thing? Should I be doing something else?
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ijilq5c
| 1,660,015,631 | 1,660,005,469 | 566 | 158 |
I spent 15 years in underwriting for a major US health insurance carrier. If your company is offering a company sponsored health plan, they MUST offer coverage to all employees that fit the eligibility requirements (usually full time W-2 employees). They cannot carve out someone based on their increased potential to use the benefits. Even in some types of insurance that allow carveouts, it can only be based on class; things like salaried vs hourly, management vs non-management. DO NOT SIGN THE WAIVER. This is their get-out-of-jail-free card when submitted to the carrier that will just let them act like you decided not to take the coverage. If it were me, I would notify HR in writing that you have concerns about the legality of being forced out of the group health plan and the negative tax implications of the offered individual coverage. I would also notify your state department of insurance that your company's broker is trying to prevent you from enrolling in a company-sponsored plan due to a health condition. The broker can get in a lot of trouble for this. In addition to the tax implication, individual health policies are always way more expensive than company sponsored plans. So giving you the same $$ as they will be paying towards the other employees on the group plan is just going to be a drop in the bucket. Super unfair.
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Tell your employer that you will not sign the document until you have an opportunity to review with your attorney. At the very least, you need to address the tax implications. More likely, this could violate state insurance laws.
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Employer pushing me out of the group insurance during enrollment due to diabetic in the family. I posted before but have an update. I'll include all info in this post. My employer is changing medical coverage. We are a small company on the west coast, USA. I was called by the insurance broker and informed that because one of my children is diabetic, they wouldn't cover the cost of her insulin and wanted me to instead pick an individual plan instead of the company/group plan. I found out that one other coworker of mine is in a similar situation due to his wife's health condition. This was on 07/21. Since then, the person at my company in charge of the impending health plan change (let's call him Gary) has emailed to say they heard I was "pretty upset," and a second time to say they think it's because of a "misunderstanding" that took place because the broker is from New Jersey and spoke to me "too harshly" since we're more casual on the west coast (also I'm a woman). I informed him it's because it felt discriminatory, not because I'm too sensitive. On Friday 08/05 we (my coworker and I) were told we needed to fill out a waiver saying we were not taking the group coverage, and we would each have a phone call today (Monday 08/08) with the insurance rep about our individual plans. We were also informed that since these were individual and not group coverage the monthly premiums would be paid by us post tax, but that the company would pay us the amount they usually pay towards health insurance so we're not paying for the whole thing. I had questions on how this would impact my taxes, because this would amount to approximately $14,500 "extra" per year that I would now be receiving in "income" for my health plan. Gary said he would look into how that would work tax wise, and that it might be a reimbursement not a payment and not even be taxable. BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW FOR SURE. I reached out on the 5th to my tax preparer but because it's been the weekend I haven't heard back yet. Today (08/08) we were informed our meeting with the insurance broker is being postponed until later in the week but it's critical we get the waivers in today. I'm balking, because I don't want to voluntarily waive our new group coverage if I don't know my new out-of-pocket costs, if I haven't vetted the plan with the insurance broker, and if Gary can't definitively tell me how this will impact my taxes. Am I doing the right thing? Should I be doing something else?
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ijj8uj0
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When researching laws that apply in your state there are things you will need to know about your company and insurance plan. First, how may employees does your company have? States have laws that apply to large and small markets. What applies to a company with 500 employees may not apply to a company with 20. Next, is your plan traditionally funded insurance or is it self funded? If it is self funded then is your company subject to ERISA? Traditionally funded plans have significantly more regulation than self funded.
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I spent 15 years in underwriting for a major US health insurance carrier. If your company is offering a company sponsored health plan, they MUST offer coverage to all employees that fit the eligibility requirements (usually full time W-2 employees). They cannot carve out someone based on their increased potential to use the benefits. Even in some types of insurance that allow carveouts, it can only be based on class; things like salaried vs hourly, management vs non-management. DO NOT SIGN THE WAIVER. This is their get-out-of-jail-free card when submitted to the carrier that will just let them act like you decided not to take the coverage. If it were me, I would notify HR in writing that you have concerns about the legality of being forced out of the group health plan and the negative tax implications of the offered individual coverage. I would also notify your state department of insurance that your company's broker is trying to prevent you from enrolling in a company-sponsored plan due to a health condition. The broker can get in a lot of trouble for this. In addition to the tax implication, individual health policies are always way more expensive than company sponsored plans. So giving you the same $$ as they will be paying towards the other employees on the group plan is just going to be a drop in the bucket. Super unfair.
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Employer pushing me out of the group insurance during enrollment due to diabetic in the family. I posted before but have an update. I'll include all info in this post. My employer is changing medical coverage. We are a small company on the west coast, USA. I was called by the insurance broker and informed that because one of my children is diabetic, they wouldn't cover the cost of her insulin and wanted me to instead pick an individual plan instead of the company/group plan. I found out that one other coworker of mine is in a similar situation due to his wife's health condition. This was on 07/21. Since then, the person at my company in charge of the impending health plan change (let's call him Gary) has emailed to say they heard I was "pretty upset," and a second time to say they think it's because of a "misunderstanding" that took place because the broker is from New Jersey and spoke to me "too harshly" since we're more casual on the west coast (also I'm a woman). I informed him it's because it felt discriminatory, not because I'm too sensitive. On Friday 08/05 we (my coworker and I) were told we needed to fill out a waiver saying we were not taking the group coverage, and we would each have a phone call today (Monday 08/08) with the insurance rep about our individual plans. We were also informed that since these were individual and not group coverage the monthly premiums would be paid by us post tax, but that the company would pay us the amount they usually pay towards health insurance so we're not paying for the whole thing. I had questions on how this would impact my taxes, because this would amount to approximately $14,500 "extra" per year that I would now be receiving in "income" for my health plan. Gary said he would look into how that would work tax wise, and that it might be a reimbursement not a payment and not even be taxable. BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW FOR SURE. I reached out on the 5th to my tax preparer but because it's been the weekend I haven't heard back yet. Today (08/08) we were informed our meeting with the insurance broker is being postponed until later in the week but it's critical we get the waivers in today. I'm balking, because I don't want to voluntarily waive our new group coverage if I don't know my new out-of-pocket costs, if I haven't vetted the plan with the insurance broker, and if Gary can't definitively tell me how this will impact my taxes. Am I doing the right thing? Should I be doing something else?
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ijiwgpn
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ijj8uj0
| 1,660,010,051 | 1,660,015,631 | 14 | 566 |
State insurance commission, or commissioner. Get a lawyer. Sign nothing.
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I spent 15 years in underwriting for a major US health insurance carrier. If your company is offering a company sponsored health plan, they MUST offer coverage to all employees that fit the eligibility requirements (usually full time W-2 employees). They cannot carve out someone based on their increased potential to use the benefits. Even in some types of insurance that allow carveouts, it can only be based on class; things like salaried vs hourly, management vs non-management. DO NOT SIGN THE WAIVER. This is their get-out-of-jail-free card when submitted to the carrier that will just let them act like you decided not to take the coverage. If it were me, I would notify HR in writing that you have concerns about the legality of being forced out of the group health plan and the negative tax implications of the offered individual coverage. I would also notify your state department of insurance that your company's broker is trying to prevent you from enrolling in a company-sponsored plan due to a health condition. The broker can get in a lot of trouble for this. In addition to the tax implication, individual health policies are always way more expensive than company sponsored plans. So giving you the same $$ as they will be paying towards the other employees on the group plan is just going to be a drop in the bucket. Super unfair.
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Employer pushing me out of the group insurance during enrollment due to diabetic in the family. I posted before but have an update. I'll include all info in this post. My employer is changing medical coverage. We are a small company on the west coast, USA. I was called by the insurance broker and informed that because one of my children is diabetic, they wouldn't cover the cost of her insulin and wanted me to instead pick an individual plan instead of the company/group plan. I found out that one other coworker of mine is in a similar situation due to his wife's health condition. This was on 07/21. Since then, the person at my company in charge of the impending health plan change (let's call him Gary) has emailed to say they heard I was "pretty upset," and a second time to say they think it's because of a "misunderstanding" that took place because the broker is from New Jersey and spoke to me "too harshly" since we're more casual on the west coast (also I'm a woman). I informed him it's because it felt discriminatory, not because I'm too sensitive. On Friday 08/05 we (my coworker and I) were told we needed to fill out a waiver saying we were not taking the group coverage, and we would each have a phone call today (Monday 08/08) with the insurance rep about our individual plans. We were also informed that since these were individual and not group coverage the monthly premiums would be paid by us post tax, but that the company would pay us the amount they usually pay towards health insurance so we're not paying for the whole thing. I had questions on how this would impact my taxes, because this would amount to approximately $14,500 "extra" per year that I would now be receiving in "income" for my health plan. Gary said he would look into how that would work tax wise, and that it might be a reimbursement not a payment and not even be taxable. BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW FOR SURE. I reached out on the 5th to my tax preparer but because it's been the weekend I haven't heard back yet. Today (08/08) we were informed our meeting with the insurance broker is being postponed until later in the week but it's critical we get the waivers in today. I'm balking, because I don't want to voluntarily waive our new group coverage if I don't know my new out-of-pocket costs, if I haven't vetted the plan with the insurance broker, and if Gary can't definitively tell me how this will impact my taxes. Am I doing the right thing? Should I be doing something else?
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ijix0zx
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I work in HR, the health insurance brokers are the worst and will try to talk your employer into the plan that gets them the most $$$. They also kept trying to get me to break hipaa laws while deciding on a policy for our staff by asking lots of individual specific medical questions. They wanted me to go to employees and ask about medical conditions and why medications they took. I sent them an email saying that we would only pick a policy that will cover all our employees and that will give me a quote without me having to violate hipaa. We ended up picking a more expensive plan (employer covers most), but it’s coverage was the best for our employees. We actually offer all of our staff 2 plans: a high deductible plan and a low one, they can pick which one is best for their situation. It sounds like your insurance policies went up, and when they went shopping for a cheaper alternative, it had much less coverage so those of you who have specific medical issues are no longer covered under the new plan. Your employer needs to offer you an alternative plan and deduct it the same as everyone else. If they can’t figure out how to do it, call the payroll company. Also DONT WAIVE your insurance. Pick a policy now, if you end up being eligible for another plan and are able to pick it up, then you have a qualifying life event that allows you to drop that policy and pick up the new one. This is not legal advice, just a caring HR manager.
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When researching laws that apply in your state there are things you will need to know about your company and insurance plan. First, how may employees does your company have? States have laws that apply to large and small markets. What applies to a company with 500 employees may not apply to a company with 20. Next, is your plan traditionally funded insurance or is it self funded? If it is self funded then is your company subject to ERISA? Traditionally funded plans have significantly more regulation than self funded.
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wjkm74
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Employer pushing me out of the group insurance during enrollment due to diabetic in the family. I posted before but have an update. I'll include all info in this post. My employer is changing medical coverage. We are a small company on the west coast, USA. I was called by the insurance broker and informed that because one of my children is diabetic, they wouldn't cover the cost of her insulin and wanted me to instead pick an individual plan instead of the company/group plan. I found out that one other coworker of mine is in a similar situation due to his wife's health condition. This was on 07/21. Since then, the person at my company in charge of the impending health plan change (let's call him Gary) has emailed to say they heard I was "pretty upset," and a second time to say they think it's because of a "misunderstanding" that took place because the broker is from New Jersey and spoke to me "too harshly" since we're more casual on the west coast (also I'm a woman). I informed him it's because it felt discriminatory, not because I'm too sensitive. On Friday 08/05 we (my coworker and I) were told we needed to fill out a waiver saying we were not taking the group coverage, and we would each have a phone call today (Monday 08/08) with the insurance rep about our individual plans. We were also informed that since these were individual and not group coverage the monthly premiums would be paid by us post tax, but that the company would pay us the amount they usually pay towards health insurance so we're not paying for the whole thing. I had questions on how this would impact my taxes, because this would amount to approximately $14,500 "extra" per year that I would now be receiving in "income" for my health plan. Gary said he would look into how that would work tax wise, and that it might be a reimbursement not a payment and not even be taxable. BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW FOR SURE. I reached out on the 5th to my tax preparer but because it's been the weekend I haven't heard back yet. Today (08/08) we were informed our meeting with the insurance broker is being postponed until later in the week but it's critical we get the waivers in today. I'm balking, because I don't want to voluntarily waive our new group coverage if I don't know my new out-of-pocket costs, if I haven't vetted the plan with the insurance broker, and if Gary can't definitively tell me how this will impact my taxes. Am I doing the right thing? Should I be doing something else?
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ijiwgpn
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ijk8yod
| 1,660,010,051 | 1,660,040,748 | 14 | 53 |
State insurance commission, or commissioner. Get a lawyer. Sign nothing.
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I work in HR, the health insurance brokers are the worst and will try to talk your employer into the plan that gets them the most $$$. They also kept trying to get me to break hipaa laws while deciding on a policy for our staff by asking lots of individual specific medical questions. They wanted me to go to employees and ask about medical conditions and why medications they took. I sent them an email saying that we would only pick a policy that will cover all our employees and that will give me a quote without me having to violate hipaa. We ended up picking a more expensive plan (employer covers most), but it’s coverage was the best for our employees. We actually offer all of our staff 2 plans: a high deductible plan and a low one, they can pick which one is best for their situation. It sounds like your insurance policies went up, and when they went shopping for a cheaper alternative, it had much less coverage so those of you who have specific medical issues are no longer covered under the new plan. Your employer needs to offer you an alternative plan and deduct it the same as everyone else. If they can’t figure out how to do it, call the payroll company. Also DONT WAIVE your insurance. Pick a policy now, if you end up being eligible for another plan and are able to pick it up, then you have a qualifying life event that allows you to drop that policy and pick up the new one. This is not legal advice, just a caring HR manager.
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wjkm74
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Employer pushing me out of the group insurance during enrollment due to diabetic in the family. I posted before but have an update. I'll include all info in this post. My employer is changing medical coverage. We are a small company on the west coast, USA. I was called by the insurance broker and informed that because one of my children is diabetic, they wouldn't cover the cost of her insulin and wanted me to instead pick an individual plan instead of the company/group plan. I found out that one other coworker of mine is in a similar situation due to his wife's health condition. This was on 07/21. Since then, the person at my company in charge of the impending health plan change (let's call him Gary) has emailed to say they heard I was "pretty upset," and a second time to say they think it's because of a "misunderstanding" that took place because the broker is from New Jersey and spoke to me "too harshly" since we're more casual on the west coast (also I'm a woman). I informed him it's because it felt discriminatory, not because I'm too sensitive. On Friday 08/05 we (my coworker and I) were told we needed to fill out a waiver saying we were not taking the group coverage, and we would each have a phone call today (Monday 08/08) with the insurance rep about our individual plans. We were also informed that since these were individual and not group coverage the monthly premiums would be paid by us post tax, but that the company would pay us the amount they usually pay towards health insurance so we're not paying for the whole thing. I had questions on how this would impact my taxes, because this would amount to approximately $14,500 "extra" per year that I would now be receiving in "income" for my health plan. Gary said he would look into how that would work tax wise, and that it might be a reimbursement not a payment and not even be taxable. BUT HE DOESN'T KNOW FOR SURE. I reached out on the 5th to my tax preparer but because it's been the weekend I haven't heard back yet. Today (08/08) we were informed our meeting with the insurance broker is being postponed until later in the week but it's critical we get the waivers in today. I'm balking, because I don't want to voluntarily waive our new group coverage if I don't know my new out-of-pocket costs, if I haven't vetted the plan with the insurance broker, and if Gary can't definitively tell me how this will impact my taxes. Am I doing the right thing? Should I be doing something else?
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ijix0zx
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ijiwgpn
| 1,660,010,294 | 1,660,010,051 | 16 | 14 |
When researching laws that apply in your state there are things you will need to know about your company and insurance plan. First, how may employees does your company have? States have laws that apply to large and small markets. What applies to a company with 500 employees may not apply to a company with 20. Next, is your plan traditionally funded insurance or is it self funded? If it is self funded then is your company subject to ERISA? Traditionally funded plans have significantly more regulation than self funded.
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State insurance commission, or commissioner. Get a lawyer. Sign nothing.
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Diabetes in prison (Iowa) My brother is in prison. He has diabetes and a few food allergies, so he is struggling to be able to eat a healthy meal. He is in a medical facility, but they refuse to let him have his pump, and has been constantly at 300 blood sugar for months on end. I have recently been informed that a blood vessel in his eye has popped and wont be seen until July. Because of his stay here he will have permanent damage to his eyes and body and theres nothing I know of that I can do to help. We've tried reaching out to people we thought could help but nothing happens and he gets worse. I just dont know what to do and I want to help and I have no idea what I can do. Since his allergies prevent him from eating some foods and all he has been able to eat has been carbs and the doctors refuse to let him have his pump and refuse to adjust dosage based on the meal he ate. I'm scared for his health, he shouldn't be forced to go blind and lose feeling. This is damage that will be permanent, he has insurance and they still cant schedule an appointment to help with a popped blood vessel until July?? I'm angry and I'm scared and I just want to be able to help him with anything. Please let me know if you know of anything that can be done. We are trying to document what we can but I dont even know of that will do anything..
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idht1gj
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Not a lawyer, and not much advice, but read this: https://doc.iowa.gov/sites/default/files/hsf-501a\_patient\_information.pdf
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Not a lawyer but corrections professional. To do anything your brother is going to have to prove negligent care when it comes to his health. He needs to file an open records request to get a complete copy of his medical records. He can then send those to who he wishes for help.
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yqk6m2
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Airbnb Ordeal TL;DR: Airbnb host changed lock code for unit, no backup code or key was provided, we were locked out at 1am, host didn’t respond for 10 hours, had to leave all our stuff and fly home empty handed, host is now refusing to return our belongings and stopped responding, Airbnb is giving me the runaround. On the weekend of Halloween, my partner and I reserved an Airbnb to stay in town for a wedding. Specifically Oct 27-30th. Check out was 11am on the 30th. We were provided a code for the smart lock, there was no physical key to access the apartment. The code worked fine on our first two days using the unit. In the early morning hours of the 30th, we arrived back at our Airbnb at 1am, to find the code not working. The door wasn’t jammed or stuck or in the wrong position, it was indicating the code was wrong. I double and triple checked the code I was provided, that we had been using for two days, and I was entering the code properly, but the code had changed since the last time we left our unit. They didn’t respond for 10 hours and we had to fly home without our belongings. My case against Airbnb is that they should have backups for guests being locked out of their units, whether it’s the guest’s fault or not. If there is only a smart lock system, there should be a backup physical key in a lockbox on the property should the code fail or the lock jam. Airbnb should have access to the code for this lockbox that they can provide in emergency situations when all other options have been exhausted. What if I had a more serious medical emergency and this happened? What if I were diabetic? Or we had pets in the room? Airbnb should also require a real phone number and backup contact information from a host using their services. I understand guests only being able to use a randomly generated anonymous number to contact the host for their privacy, but Airbnb should be able to contact them directly with a confirmed phone number, not a Google voice number. My case against the host is pretty clear. They changed the code, either intentionally or unintentionally, didn’t contact us until our checkout time, and took all our stuff. I’m on the fence about whether it would be better to file a police report or not. They’re literally holding all our stuff at ransom. I guess my question is, do I have a valid case? Against either party? And what are my odds of finding an attorney that will represent me against such a large corporation? Is their some other avenue I should take legally?
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ivopp7q
| 1,668,007,660 | 1,668,004,480 | 556 | 403 |
What did AirBnb support say? Did you call the police? A locksmith?
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> My case against Airbnb is that they should have backups That isn’t a case. It’s a list of suggestions. You can’t sue for what may have happened. At best you’re owed a refund for the time you couldn’t access the room. You could sue the host for the value of your property if they won’t return it to you. That’s going to be in small claims court, no attorney needed. The police are not likely to get involved with this.
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yqk6m2
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Airbnb Ordeal TL;DR: Airbnb host changed lock code for unit, no backup code or key was provided, we were locked out at 1am, host didn’t respond for 10 hours, had to leave all our stuff and fly home empty handed, host is now refusing to return our belongings and stopped responding, Airbnb is giving me the runaround. On the weekend of Halloween, my partner and I reserved an Airbnb to stay in town for a wedding. Specifically Oct 27-30th. Check out was 11am on the 30th. We were provided a code for the smart lock, there was no physical key to access the apartment. The code worked fine on our first two days using the unit. In the early morning hours of the 30th, we arrived back at our Airbnb at 1am, to find the code not working. The door wasn’t jammed or stuck or in the wrong position, it was indicating the code was wrong. I double and triple checked the code I was provided, that we had been using for two days, and I was entering the code properly, but the code had changed since the last time we left our unit. They didn’t respond for 10 hours and we had to fly home without our belongings. My case against Airbnb is that they should have backups for guests being locked out of their units, whether it’s the guest’s fault or not. If there is only a smart lock system, there should be a backup physical key in a lockbox on the property should the code fail or the lock jam. Airbnb should have access to the code for this lockbox that they can provide in emergency situations when all other options have been exhausted. What if I had a more serious medical emergency and this happened? What if I were diabetic? Or we had pets in the room? Airbnb should also require a real phone number and backup contact information from a host using their services. I understand guests only being able to use a randomly generated anonymous number to contact the host for their privacy, but Airbnb should be able to contact them directly with a confirmed phone number, not a Google voice number. My case against the host is pretty clear. They changed the code, either intentionally or unintentionally, didn’t contact us until our checkout time, and took all our stuff. I’m on the fence about whether it would be better to file a police report or not. They’re literally holding all our stuff at ransom. I guess my question is, do I have a valid case? Against either party? And what are my odds of finding an attorney that will represent me against such a large corporation? Is their some other avenue I should take legally?
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ivpxiqq
| 1,668,016,357 | 1,668,021,813 | 76 | 380 |
Not a lawyer I’m sorry this happened to you as it sounds incredibly frustrating. Unfortunately, not all frustrating situations provide a cause of action for a lawsuit. Generally, you may have a claim against the Host, but you do not likely have a claim against AirBnB. As other users have pointed out, you could make a police report against the Host. You could also sue the Host in small claims court to reimburse you for the value of your belongings. If the value of your belongings exceeds your jurisdictions cap for small claims court, you would have to file in district court. As for AirBnB, suing an entity is much harder. First, I’m almost positive that AirBnb has an arbitration clause in their terms and conditions. An arbitration clause means you cannot sue AirBnb in court. Rather, you need send them notice to arbitrate. Second, the damages for which AirBnb would be liable to you, if any, are small. At most, they would be liable for duration you were not allowed access to your rental. Really, based on your post, you are seeking equitable relief i.e. you want AirBnB to change their policies. While your cause may be noble, you’re going to have to pay serious legal fees for a chance to get AirBnB to change their policies. As always, you should not rely on advice from Reddit. If you have intentions of bringing a claim, you should consult with a plaintiff’s attorney.
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If you pay for them to ship your stuff back, you won't be prevented from suing them for the damages ala the cost of shipping your stuff. If you take them to small claims, in my state at least the court cannot order specific performance, like "return the stuff" they can only grant monetary relief. So do you want your stuff, or do you want the value of your stuff.
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8cfoxu
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[FL] My neighbors have been together for 33 years but never got married. He was on her insurance through work but her boss found out they weren't married and fired her for "insurance fraud" and now are saying they are going to be sued for all the medical care they had to pay out for him. Hello, I am writing on behalf of a situation my neighbor is going through. She and her husband have been together for 33 years, have kids, yadie yada, but are not married. Through the wife's work they have insurance for years and the boss found out they weren't actually married. Because of this they fired her for defrauding the company and are now saying that they owe either them or the insurance company all the money paid out for his medical expenses throughout the life of the insurance plan. Is this something that can occur to them? It has been years but doesn't believe she listed him as her husband on any insurance docs. Thank you for any help.
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dxeory0
| 1,523,822,819 | 1,523,810,711 | 93 | 69 |
This is a mess and is certainly lawyer territory , but one option they can consider and discuss with their lawyer is to make a list of all the places that they've visited together in the last 33 years and to see if any of those places recognized common law marriage at the time that they visited, and what minimum thresholds were involved. For example, until 2005 Pennsylvania had a surprisingly low threshold for creating a common law marriage - arguably signing themselves into a hotel register as husband and wife might have qualified. Texas had a low bar, too, but Texas had a residency requirement. This is not the best argument that's ever appeared in this subreddit, but it's worth considering if nothing better comes along...and again it should only be attempted after advice from a real attorney.
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You said in the comments he was listed as domestic partner. Was this for each year? Get a copy of the policy to see what constitutes a domestic partner and what requirements they have to prive/qualify
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8cfoxu
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[FL] My neighbors have been together for 33 years but never got married. He was on her insurance through work but her boss found out they weren't married and fired her for "insurance fraud" and now are saying they are going to be sued for all the medical care they had to pay out for him. Hello, I am writing on behalf of a situation my neighbor is going through. She and her husband have been together for 33 years, have kids, yadie yada, but are not married. Through the wife's work they have insurance for years and the boss found out they weren't actually married. Because of this they fired her for defrauding the company and are now saying that they owe either them or the insurance company all the money paid out for his medical expenses throughout the life of the insurance plan. Is this something that can occur to them? It has been years but doesn't believe she listed him as her husband on any insurance docs. Thank you for any help.
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dxf0p0c
| 1,523,822,243 | 1,523,822,819 | 26 | 93 |
I am not a lawyer, but according to this site , although FL doesn't have a common-law marriage, it recognizes common-law marriages from other states. Is it possible they had a common-law marriage in another state, prior to moving to FL, and so they are legally married?
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This is a mess and is certainly lawyer territory , but one option they can consider and discuss with their lawyer is to make a list of all the places that they've visited together in the last 33 years and to see if any of those places recognized common law marriage at the time that they visited, and what minimum thresholds were involved. For example, until 2005 Pennsylvania had a surprisingly low threshold for creating a common law marriage - arguably signing themselves into a hotel register as husband and wife might have qualified. Texas had a low bar, too, but Texas had a residency requirement. This is not the best argument that's ever appeared in this subreddit, but it's worth considering if nothing better comes along...and again it should only be attempted after advice from a real attorney.
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[FL] My neighbors have been together for 33 years but never got married. He was on her insurance through work but her boss found out they weren't married and fired her for "insurance fraud" and now are saying they are going to be sued for all the medical care they had to pay out for him. Hello, I am writing on behalf of a situation my neighbor is going through. She and her husband have been together for 33 years, have kids, yadie yada, but are not married. Through the wife's work they have insurance for years and the boss found out they weren't actually married. Because of this they fired her for defrauding the company and are now saying that they owe either them or the insurance company all the money paid out for his medical expenses throughout the life of the insurance plan. Is this something that can occur to them? It has been years but doesn't believe she listed him as her husband on any insurance docs. Thank you for any help.
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This is a mess and is certainly lawyer territory , but one option they can consider and discuss with their lawyer is to make a list of all the places that they've visited together in the last 33 years and to see if any of those places recognized common law marriage at the time that they visited, and what minimum thresholds were involved. For example, until 2005 Pennsylvania had a surprisingly low threshold for creating a common law marriage - arguably signing themselves into a hotel register as husband and wife might have qualified. Texas had a low bar, too, but Texas had a residency requirement. This is not the best argument that's ever appeared in this subreddit, but it's worth considering if nothing better comes along...and again it should only be attempted after advice from a real attorney.
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Worst case scenario, the company she worked for would only be able to come after you for the part of the premiums they paid (unless it is a self-funded plan). Insurance company is a different story.
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[FL] My neighbors have been together for 33 years but never got married. He was on her insurance through work but her boss found out they weren't married and fired her for "insurance fraud" and now are saying they are going to be sued for all the medical care they had to pay out for him. Hello, I am writing on behalf of a situation my neighbor is going through. She and her husband have been together for 33 years, have kids, yadie yada, but are not married. Through the wife's work they have insurance for years and the boss found out they weren't actually married. Because of this they fired her for defrauding the company and are now saying that they owe either them or the insurance company all the money paid out for his medical expenses throughout the life of the insurance plan. Is this something that can occur to them? It has been years but doesn't believe she listed him as her husband on any insurance docs. Thank you for any help.
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dxeory0
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Worst case scenario, the company she worked for would only be able to come after you for the part of the premiums they paid (unless it is a self-funded plan). Insurance company is a different story.
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You said in the comments he was listed as domestic partner. Was this for each year? Get a copy of the policy to see what constitutes a domestic partner and what requirements they have to prive/qualify
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[FL] My neighbors have been together for 33 years but never got married. He was on her insurance through work but her boss found out they weren't married and fired her for "insurance fraud" and now are saying they are going to be sued for all the medical care they had to pay out for him. Hello, I am writing on behalf of a situation my neighbor is going through. She and her husband have been together for 33 years, have kids, yadie yada, but are not married. Through the wife's work they have insurance for years and the boss found out they weren't actually married. Because of this they fired her for defrauding the company and are now saying that they owe either them or the insurance company all the money paid out for his medical expenses throughout the life of the insurance plan. Is this something that can occur to them? It has been years but doesn't believe she listed him as her husband on any insurance docs. Thank you for any help.
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Lawyer 100%. For health insurance purposes, your neighbors would have only qualified as domestic partners and it is up to the company to determine whether or not they accept domestic partnerships. Even then, DP benefits may or may not be tax deductible, so the company and employee is likely on the hook for years of back taxes on the premium amount that went towards the DP. So, it's not just insurance issues, it's likely also tax issues that your neighbors are dealing with. Your neighbors need a lawyer and possibly an accountant to fix any tax issues.
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I am not a lawyer, but according to this site , although FL doesn't have a common-law marriage, it recognizes common-law marriages from other states. Is it possible they had a common-law marriage in another state, prior to moving to FL, and so they are legally married?
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[FL] My neighbors have been together for 33 years but never got married. He was on her insurance through work but her boss found out they weren't married and fired her for "insurance fraud" and now are saying they are going to be sued for all the medical care they had to pay out for him. Hello, I am writing on behalf of a situation my neighbor is going through. She and her husband have been together for 33 years, have kids, yadie yada, but are not married. Through the wife's work they have insurance for years and the boss found out they weren't actually married. Because of this they fired her for defrauding the company and are now saying that they owe either them or the insurance company all the money paid out for his medical expenses throughout the life of the insurance plan. Is this something that can occur to them? It has been years but doesn't believe she listed him as her husband on any insurance docs. Thank you for any help.
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dxf5325
| 1,523,807,921 | 1,523,827,200 | 22 | 57 |
Worst case scenario, the company she worked for would only be able to come after you for the part of the premiums they paid (unless it is a self-funded plan). Insurance company is a different story.
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Lawyer 100%. For health insurance purposes, your neighbors would have only qualified as domestic partners and it is up to the company to determine whether or not they accept domestic partnerships. Even then, DP benefits may or may not be tax deductible, so the company and employee is likely on the hook for years of back taxes on the premium amount that went towards the DP. So, it's not just insurance issues, it's likely also tax issues that your neighbors are dealing with. Your neighbors need a lawyer and possibly an accountant to fix any tax issues.
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[FL] My neighbors have been together for 33 years but never got married. He was on her insurance through work but her boss found out they weren't married and fired her for "insurance fraud" and now are saying they are going to be sued for all the medical care they had to pay out for him. Hello, I am writing on behalf of a situation my neighbor is going through. She and her husband have been together for 33 years, have kids, yadie yada, but are not married. Through the wife's work they have insurance for years and the boss found out they weren't actually married. Because of this they fired her for defrauding the company and are now saying that they owe either them or the insurance company all the money paid out for his medical expenses throughout the life of the insurance plan. Is this something that can occur to them? It has been years but doesn't believe she listed him as her husband on any insurance docs. Thank you for any help.
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dxem6ap
| 1,523,822,243 | 1,523,807,921 | 26 | 22 |
I am not a lawyer, but according to this site , although FL doesn't have a common-law marriage, it recognizes common-law marriages from other states. Is it possible they had a common-law marriage in another state, prior to moving to FL, and so they are legally married?
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Worst case scenario, the company she worked for would only be able to come after you for the part of the premiums they paid (unless it is a self-funded plan). Insurance company is a different story.
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[FL] My neighbors have been together for 33 years but never got married. He was on her insurance through work but her boss found out they weren't married and fired her for "insurance fraud" and now are saying they are going to be sued for all the medical care they had to pay out for him. Hello, I am writing on behalf of a situation my neighbor is going through. She and her husband have been together for 33 years, have kids, yadie yada, but are not married. Through the wife's work they have insurance for years and the boss found out they weren't actually married. Because of this they fired her for defrauding the company and are now saying that they owe either them or the insurance company all the money paid out for his medical expenses throughout the life of the insurance plan. Is this something that can occur to them? It has been years but doesn't believe she listed him as her husband on any insurance docs. Thank you for any help.
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Did they ever have a marriage ceremony or something akin to that to solemnify their relationship? If so, they may be able to get a back-dated marriage certificate. Source: Wife's aunt and uncle were "married" in 1990 and found out in 2013 that there was a snafu with the paperwork and their marriage was never recognized by the state. They were able to get back-dated marriage certificate by submitting witness statements from people who were at the wedding.
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> After just texting her she says she claimed him as a domestic partner I would suggest they contact a lawyer dealing with job termination. I say this as somebody who works with Health Insurance. If they properly completed their domestic partnership paperwork and submitted it to HR who would then submit it to the insurance company along with approving the change in enrollment your neighbors have followed the rules/correct processes. At any insurance company have I have worked with/for they would never accept the domestic partnership documentation directly from a member and wouldn't change their enrollment status without HR/corporate approving it.
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[FL] My neighbors have been together for 33 years but never got married. He was on her insurance through work but her boss found out they weren't married and fired her for "insurance fraud" and now are saying they are going to be sued for all the medical care they had to pay out for him. Hello, I am writing on behalf of a situation my neighbor is going through. She and her husband have been together for 33 years, have kids, yadie yada, but are not married. Through the wife's work they have insurance for years and the boss found out they weren't actually married. Because of this they fired her for defrauding the company and are now saying that they owe either them or the insurance company all the money paid out for his medical expenses throughout the life of the insurance plan. Is this something that can occur to them? It has been years but doesn't believe she listed him as her husband on any insurance docs. Thank you for any help.
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Would a common-law marriage be acceptable?
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Did they ever have a marriage ceremony or something akin to that to solemnify their relationship? If so, they may be able to get a back-dated marriage certificate. Source: Wife's aunt and uncle were "married" in 1990 and found out in 2013 that there was a snafu with the paperwork and their marriage was never recognized by the state. They were able to get back-dated marriage certificate by submitting witness statements from people who were at the wedding.
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[FL] My neighbors have been together for 33 years but never got married. He was on her insurance through work but her boss found out they weren't married and fired her for "insurance fraud" and now are saying they are going to be sued for all the medical care they had to pay out for him. Hello, I am writing on behalf of a situation my neighbor is going through. She and her husband have been together for 33 years, have kids, yadie yada, but are not married. Through the wife's work they have insurance for years and the boss found out they weren't actually married. Because of this they fired her for defrauding the company and are now saying that they owe either them or the insurance company all the money paid out for his medical expenses throughout the life of the insurance plan. Is this something that can occur to them? It has been years but doesn't believe she listed him as her husband on any insurance docs. Thank you for any help.
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Would a common-law marriage be acceptable?
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> After just texting her she says she claimed him as a domestic partner I would suggest they contact a lawyer dealing with job termination. I say this as somebody who works with Health Insurance. If they properly completed their domestic partnership paperwork and submitted it to HR who would then submit it to the insurance company along with approving the change in enrollment your neighbors have followed the rules/correct processes. At any insurance company have I have worked with/for they would never accept the domestic partnership documentation directly from a member and wouldn't change their enrollment status without HR/corporate approving it.
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AZ/NV just found out my wife was married as a ‘joke’ in Vegas in 1997 I never thought I’d be posting here but I need some help on where to go from here. My wife and I are about to celebrate our 15th anniversary in a few weeks. Long ago when we first got together she told me she married one of her gay guy co-workers in Vegas as a joke when she was a teen. Honestly, I thought she was full of it and that it probably wasn’t anything legal anyway. Well, now I read another post on LA about a guy who might have gotten married to a stranger in Vegas. Someone on his post added a link to the Clark County marriage record search. I put her name in and holy shit if a certificate didn’t pop up. She is sitting next to me ready to puke. She didn’t think it was a legal marriage either. So now what? She didn’t even really know the guy. Has no idea what happened to him. She is frantically searching Google and Facebook for him with no luck. So I guess our marriage is invalid? We have two kids! What does this mean. Were they adopted fraudulently because our marriage certificate is invalid? I will get an attorney tomorrow but would like to know what to expect. 1. What if we can’t find this guy? 2. What if we do? 3. How much shit are we in for: filing taxes together, getting our names changed, adopting our kids under the pretense that we were married? 4. Best case scenario- quickie paper divorce, right? And then what, do we have to get remarried? To clarify: we live in AZ, marriage happened in 1997 in NV Thanks in advance!
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There are very limited circumstances under which an annulment is granted. Lack of parental consent (if one of them was underage enough to require it), fraud, close blood relation, you were already married, or you were insane or incompetent (and drunk doesn't usually count, unless you're Britney Spears, as someone pointed out the last time this matter came up.) This doesn't HAVE to be the end of the world. If you both acted in good faith, nobody is likely to come kicking in your door to arrest her for bigamy, or you for tax fraud. A good family law attorney will get all of the balls rolling. If the change in situation means you actually underpaid taxes... the IRS is surprisingly helpful when you call them and say you want to give them some more money, and they're not throwing people who do that in jail because they'd LIKE people to make that phone call when they realize they did something wrong. If you can't find the guy, there's a process for getting divorced when you can't find the other party. You'll file an affidavit that states "We tried really hard but can't find him. Here's what we did - " and if the judge is satisfied with your effort, they'll give you the go-ahead to 'serve notice by publication'. Typically that means you need to run a notice in the newspaper in the last city you know the person lived. There are rules for how long it has to run and for how long you have to wait afterwards to see if he turns up. They do require that you were diligent before trying this, though, so contact her former employer and other coworkers to try your best. Good luck. It's not the end of the world... but it is something you want to get on top of. There are rare cases where this could turn into a BIG DAMNED DEAL in a hurry - i.e. - she passes away unexpectedly and things you thought were YOUR community property get inherited by someone else... etc. Your lawyer will let you know if there are any immediate needs to see to (for example, you're NOT her next of kin for medical decision making purposes right now, this rando dude is! You may want to look at advanced directives / medical power of attorney just in case something comes up before you get it all sorted!
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First, calm yourself. Look into the marriage certificate and see if it’s an application or if it was used. Assuming it was used, get an attorney. It’s a little challenging to get an annulment after time, but a Las Vegas attorney will light your path. They’re probably more versed in these situations than other attorneys, so I encourage you to look there or to an AZ attorney that has connections there.
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AZ/NV just found out my wife was married as a ‘joke’ in Vegas in 1997 I never thought I’d be posting here but I need some help on where to go from here. My wife and I are about to celebrate our 15th anniversary in a few weeks. Long ago when we first got together she told me she married one of her gay guy co-workers in Vegas as a joke when she was a teen. Honestly, I thought she was full of it and that it probably wasn’t anything legal anyway. Well, now I read another post on LA about a guy who might have gotten married to a stranger in Vegas. Someone on his post added a link to the Clark County marriage record search. I put her name in and holy shit if a certificate didn’t pop up. She is sitting next to me ready to puke. She didn’t think it was a legal marriage either. So now what? She didn’t even really know the guy. Has no idea what happened to him. She is frantically searching Google and Facebook for him with no luck. So I guess our marriage is invalid? We have two kids! What does this mean. Were they adopted fraudulently because our marriage certificate is invalid? I will get an attorney tomorrow but would like to know what to expect. 1. What if we can’t find this guy? 2. What if we do? 3. How much shit are we in for: filing taxes together, getting our names changed, adopting our kids under the pretense that we were married? 4. Best case scenario- quickie paper divorce, right? And then what, do we have to get remarried? To clarify: we live in AZ, marriage happened in 1997 in NV Thanks in advance!
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I have a question, when “getting hitched” in Vegas. You still need to apply for a marriage license which in itself is a little process, then you take that to the chapel to have the ceremony, then depending on the chapel you sign it and then the witness and officiant sign, the certificate is then mailed into the court to become “official”. There is also monies being exchanged. I assume 1997 it cheaper then today’s $77+chapel fees, but still payment rendered. Most Vegas chapels in Vegas will do ceremonies with no license but disclaim “these are just for fun”. Your wife did have a license and did have it registered, thus completing all the steps above. I think your wife and you need to have an open and honest discussion about this. There are quite a few steps that appear over the level of “just a joke”. It sounds like you are there to support her, but maybe getting all the details out could also help with the search.
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Not a lawyer but plenty of people have been through similar. Vegas happens. Stay calm and hire a divorce attorney to research and handle all of this for you. They will be able to take care of this even if the other party cannot be located, by posting a small notice in the newspaper classifieds as legal notice saying they are being served with divorce. They can also check divorce records elsewhere to see if the other party has actually done the same thing in the past and filed for divorce or annulment using the same type of newspaper announcement. It may already be handled! Either way just hire an attorney and know it’s money well spent! Best of luck!
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AZ/NV just found out my wife was married as a ‘joke’ in Vegas in 1997 I never thought I’d be posting here but I need some help on where to go from here. My wife and I are about to celebrate our 15th anniversary in a few weeks. Long ago when we first got together she told me she married one of her gay guy co-workers in Vegas as a joke when she was a teen. Honestly, I thought she was full of it and that it probably wasn’t anything legal anyway. Well, now I read another post on LA about a guy who might have gotten married to a stranger in Vegas. Someone on his post added a link to the Clark County marriage record search. I put her name in and holy shit if a certificate didn’t pop up. She is sitting next to me ready to puke. She didn’t think it was a legal marriage either. So now what? She didn’t even really know the guy. Has no idea what happened to him. She is frantically searching Google and Facebook for him with no luck. So I guess our marriage is invalid? We have two kids! What does this mean. Were they adopted fraudulently because our marriage certificate is invalid? I will get an attorney tomorrow but would like to know what to expect. 1. What if we can’t find this guy? 2. What if we do? 3. How much shit are we in for: filing taxes together, getting our names changed, adopting our kids under the pretense that we were married? 4. Best case scenario- quickie paper divorce, right? And then what, do we have to get remarried? To clarify: we live in AZ, marriage happened in 1997 in NV Thanks in advance!
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"Long ago when we first got together she told me she married one of her gay guy co-workers in Vegas as a joke when she was a teen." When you say teen, do you mean 18-19? I think there wouldn't be much hassle getting it nullified if she was under 18.
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I have a question, when “getting hitched” in Vegas. You still need to apply for a marriage license which in itself is a little process, then you take that to the chapel to have the ceremony, then depending on the chapel you sign it and then the witness and officiant sign, the certificate is then mailed into the court to become “official”. There is also monies being exchanged. I assume 1997 it cheaper then today’s $77+chapel fees, but still payment rendered. Most Vegas chapels in Vegas will do ceremonies with no license but disclaim “these are just for fun”. Your wife did have a license and did have it registered, thus completing all the steps above. I think your wife and you need to have an open and honest discussion about this. There are quite a few steps that appear over the level of “just a joke”. It sounds like you are there to support her, but maybe getting all the details out could also help with the search.
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as5sqf
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AZ/NV just found out my wife was married as a ‘joke’ in Vegas in 1997 I never thought I’d be posting here but I need some help on where to go from here. My wife and I are about to celebrate our 15th anniversary in a few weeks. Long ago when we first got together she told me she married one of her gay guy co-workers in Vegas as a joke when she was a teen. Honestly, I thought she was full of it and that it probably wasn’t anything legal anyway. Well, now I read another post on LA about a guy who might have gotten married to a stranger in Vegas. Someone on his post added a link to the Clark County marriage record search. I put her name in and holy shit if a certificate didn’t pop up. She is sitting next to me ready to puke. She didn’t think it was a legal marriage either. So now what? She didn’t even really know the guy. Has no idea what happened to him. She is frantically searching Google and Facebook for him with no luck. So I guess our marriage is invalid? We have two kids! What does this mean. Were they adopted fraudulently because our marriage certificate is invalid? I will get an attorney tomorrow but would like to know what to expect. 1. What if we can’t find this guy? 2. What if we do? 3. How much shit are we in for: filing taxes together, getting our names changed, adopting our kids under the pretense that we were married? 4. Best case scenario- quickie paper divorce, right? And then what, do we have to get remarried? To clarify: we live in AZ, marriage happened in 1997 in NV Thanks in advance!
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I have a question, when “getting hitched” in Vegas. You still need to apply for a marriage license which in itself is a little process, then you take that to the chapel to have the ceremony, then depending on the chapel you sign it and then the witness and officiant sign, the certificate is then mailed into the court to become “official”. There is also monies being exchanged. I assume 1997 it cheaper then today’s $77+chapel fees, but still payment rendered. Most Vegas chapels in Vegas will do ceremonies with no license but disclaim “these are just for fun”. Your wife did have a license and did have it registered, thus completing all the steps above. I think your wife and you need to have an open and honest discussion about this. There are quite a few steps that appear over the level of “just a joke”. It sounds like you are there to support her, but maybe getting all the details out could also help with the search.
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Contact a family lawyer in that state. They can probably figure something. It's probably more of a probate issue than anything. You want to fix it because of that. I dealt with something like this with an uncle of mine's "ex-wife" when he was on his deathbed. Not a lawyer, not legal advice
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AZ/NV just found out my wife was married as a ‘joke’ in Vegas in 1997 I never thought I’d be posting here but I need some help on where to go from here. My wife and I are about to celebrate our 15th anniversary in a few weeks. Long ago when we first got together she told me she married one of her gay guy co-workers in Vegas as a joke when she was a teen. Honestly, I thought she was full of it and that it probably wasn’t anything legal anyway. Well, now I read another post on LA about a guy who might have gotten married to a stranger in Vegas. Someone on his post added a link to the Clark County marriage record search. I put her name in and holy shit if a certificate didn’t pop up. She is sitting next to me ready to puke. She didn’t think it was a legal marriage either. So now what? She didn’t even really know the guy. Has no idea what happened to him. She is frantically searching Google and Facebook for him with no luck. So I guess our marriage is invalid? We have two kids! What does this mean. Were they adopted fraudulently because our marriage certificate is invalid? I will get an attorney tomorrow but would like to know what to expect. 1. What if we can’t find this guy? 2. What if we do? 3. How much shit are we in for: filing taxes together, getting our names changed, adopting our kids under the pretense that we were married? 4. Best case scenario- quickie paper divorce, right? And then what, do we have to get remarried? To clarify: we live in AZ, marriage happened in 1997 in NV Thanks in advance!
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egt5q5z
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Deep breath! You said a teen, but that he was a coworker. If she was under 18, you've got it even easier. But as for tracking him down - her old employer may remember/have records. Did she go to Vegas with other people from work? If their names aren't as basic she might be able to track them down and go from there. But, yes, lawyer up.
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I have a question, when “getting hitched” in Vegas. You still need to apply for a marriage license which in itself is a little process, then you take that to the chapel to have the ceremony, then depending on the chapel you sign it and then the witness and officiant sign, the certificate is then mailed into the court to become “official”. There is also monies being exchanged. I assume 1997 it cheaper then today’s $77+chapel fees, but still payment rendered. Most Vegas chapels in Vegas will do ceremonies with no license but disclaim “these are just for fun”. Your wife did have a license and did have it registered, thus completing all the steps above. I think your wife and you need to have an open and honest discussion about this. There are quite a few steps that appear over the level of “just a joke”. It sounds like you are there to support her, but maybe getting all the details out could also help with the search.
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AZ/NV just found out my wife was married as a ‘joke’ in Vegas in 1997 I never thought I’d be posting here but I need some help on where to go from here. My wife and I are about to celebrate our 15th anniversary in a few weeks. Long ago when we first got together she told me she married one of her gay guy co-workers in Vegas as a joke when she was a teen. Honestly, I thought she was full of it and that it probably wasn’t anything legal anyway. Well, now I read another post on LA about a guy who might have gotten married to a stranger in Vegas. Someone on his post added a link to the Clark County marriage record search. I put her name in and holy shit if a certificate didn’t pop up. She is sitting next to me ready to puke. She didn’t think it was a legal marriage either. So now what? She didn’t even really know the guy. Has no idea what happened to him. She is frantically searching Google and Facebook for him with no luck. So I guess our marriage is invalid? We have two kids! What does this mean. Were they adopted fraudulently because our marriage certificate is invalid? I will get an attorney tomorrow but would like to know what to expect. 1. What if we can’t find this guy? 2. What if we do? 3. How much shit are we in for: filing taxes together, getting our names changed, adopting our kids under the pretense that we were married? 4. Best case scenario- quickie paper divorce, right? And then what, do we have to get remarried? To clarify: we live in AZ, marriage happened in 1997 in NV Thanks in advance!
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Not a lawyer but plenty of people have been through similar. Vegas happens. Stay calm and hire a divorce attorney to research and handle all of this for you. They will be able to take care of this even if the other party cannot be located, by posting a small notice in the newspaper classifieds as legal notice saying they are being served with divorce. They can also check divorce records elsewhere to see if the other party has actually done the same thing in the past and filed for divorce or annulment using the same type of newspaper announcement. It may already be handled! Either way just hire an attorney and know it’s money well spent! Best of luck!
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Contact a family lawyer in that state. They can probably figure something. It's probably more of a probate issue than anything. You want to fix it because of that. I dealt with something like this with an uncle of mine's "ex-wife" when he was on his deathbed. Not a lawyer, not legal advice
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AZ/NV just found out my wife was married as a ‘joke’ in Vegas in 1997 I never thought I’d be posting here but I need some help on where to go from here. My wife and I are about to celebrate our 15th anniversary in a few weeks. Long ago when we first got together she told me she married one of her gay guy co-workers in Vegas as a joke when she was a teen. Honestly, I thought she was full of it and that it probably wasn’t anything legal anyway. Well, now I read another post on LA about a guy who might have gotten married to a stranger in Vegas. Someone on his post added a link to the Clark County marriage record search. I put her name in and holy shit if a certificate didn’t pop up. She is sitting next to me ready to puke. She didn’t think it was a legal marriage either. So now what? She didn’t even really know the guy. Has no idea what happened to him. She is frantically searching Google and Facebook for him with no luck. So I guess our marriage is invalid? We have two kids! What does this mean. Were they adopted fraudulently because our marriage certificate is invalid? I will get an attorney tomorrow but would like to know what to expect. 1. What if we can’t find this guy? 2. What if we do? 3. How much shit are we in for: filing taxes together, getting our names changed, adopting our kids under the pretense that we were married? 4. Best case scenario- quickie paper divorce, right? And then what, do we have to get remarried? To clarify: we live in AZ, marriage happened in 1997 in NV Thanks in advance!
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"Long ago when we first got together she told me she married one of her gay guy co-workers in Vegas as a joke when she was a teen." When you say teen, do you mean 18-19? I think there wouldn't be much hassle getting it nullified if she was under 18.
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Contact a family lawyer in that state. They can probably figure something. It's probably more of a probate issue than anything. You want to fix it because of that. I dealt with something like this with an uncle of mine's "ex-wife" when he was on his deathbed. Not a lawyer, not legal advice
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(Georgia) My wife’s dad passed away a few years before we met. Not long after our wedding my mother in law gifted me her late husband’s motorcycle. The title had never been transferred out of his name. What is the most efficient and cost effective way to put the title in my name?
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There's several ways to transfer a title. Georgie offers bonded titles, but that's the expensive route. The Georgia DOR looks to have some good resources https://dor.georgia.gov/vehicle-inherited-or-purchased-estate. As a very last resort, depending on the motorcycle and engine size, Vermont has a process of registering a vehicle with no title or a lost title regardless of the state you belong to. The caveat being it must either 15 years or older (no engine size requirement) or any age and 300 CC for engine size.
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Easiest way is to have her take her paperwork to the dmv and transfer it to her name then her transfer to your name.
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Dad (American citizen) left mum (Nigerian citizen) and I before I was even born, they were never married. My mum (alone) has taken care of me since then and we were fine, but then a few years ago he said he wants me to apply for an American passport so we could.... ..."bond" I guess. We started the process and then midway he suddenly goes AWOL and stops the responding once the embassy requests for his tax returns. Late last year he then said I should apply to US schools for college and so I started doing that but now he's not responding to my texts about the application process. I'm SO tired & annoyed and I believe he owes my mum and I: 1) Money. For all the missed years of child support (I'm 19 now so 18 years missed) & 2) a U.S. passport ^_^ because since he's a citizen...so am I. And the passport will make it easier for me to get into schools there Any advice on what I should do to get these things? I'm yet to mention this to my mum because the last time I told her to seek legal advice regarding this situation (like 4 years ago) she sounded averse to it because of high legal fees. If anyone gives solid advice I'll bring it up with her tho. So Reddit...do ya thing!
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>because since he's a citizen...so am I It's not quite that simple >General Requirements for Fathers of Children Born Out of Wedlock >The general requirements for acquisition of citizenship at birth for a child born in wedlock also apply to a child born out of wedlock outside of the United States (or one of its outlying possessions) who claims citizenship through a U.S. citizen father. Specifically, the provisions apply in cases where: >•A blood relationship between the child and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence; >•The child’s father was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child’s birth; >•The child’s father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the child until the child reaches 18 years of age; and >•One of the following criteria is met before the child reaches 18 years of age: >•The child is legitimated under the law of his or her residence or domicile; >•The father acknowledges in writing and under oath the paternity of the child; or >•The paternity of the child is established by adjudication of a competent court. Even if those requirements weren't met before you turned 18, it may still be possible to pettion on behalf of a green card; but perhaps not. >If you are the child’s father and the child was born outside of marriage (out of wedlock), and you did not legitimate the child before he or she turned 18, then proving your father-child relationship will require evidence of a personal relationship (also referred to as a “bona fide” relationship) between you and the child. >For example, you might supply evidence that you lived with the child at some point, publicly treated the child as your own, and/or participated in the child's life—especially through financial and/or emotional support, but also through demonstrated concern for the child’s well-being, school work, or religious instruction. >Be sure to include copies of any: receipts of money orders you sent to the child; insurance records naming the child as your beneficiary; letters exchanged between you and the child; and affidavits written by persons (perhaps your friends or your child’s school officials) who know about the relationship.
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Do you know if he filed a consular report of birth abroad when you were born? Where were you born? Where did your father grow up?
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Dad (American citizen) left mum (Nigerian citizen) and I before I was even born, they were never married. My mum (alone) has taken care of me since then and we were fine, but then a few years ago he said he wants me to apply for an American passport so we could.... ..."bond" I guess. We started the process and then midway he suddenly goes AWOL and stops the responding once the embassy requests for his tax returns. Late last year he then said I should apply to US schools for college and so I started doing that but now he's not responding to my texts about the application process. I'm SO tired & annoyed and I believe he owes my mum and I: 1) Money. For all the missed years of child support (I'm 19 now so 18 years missed) & 2) a U.S. passport ^_^ because since he's a citizen...so am I. And the passport will make it easier for me to get into schools there Any advice on what I should do to get these things? I'm yet to mention this to my mum because the last time I told her to seek legal advice regarding this situation (like 4 years ago) she sounded averse to it because of high legal fees. If anyone gives solid advice I'll bring it up with her tho. So Reddit...do ya thing!
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> ..."bond" I guess. We started the process and then midway he suddenly goes AWOL and stops the responding once the embassy requests for his tax returns. Late last year he then said I should apply to US schools for college and so I started doing that but now he's not responding to my texts about the application process. I'm SO tired & annoyed and I believe he owes my mum and I: > 1) Money. For all the missed years of child support (I'm 19 now so 18 years missed) & > > 2) a U.S. passport ^_^ because since he's a citizen...so am I. And the passport will make it easier for me to get into schools there > > Any advice on what I should do to get these things? I'm yet to mention this to my mum because the last time I told her to seek legal advice regarding this situation (like 4 years ago) she sounded averse to it because of high legal fees. If anyone gives solid advice I'll bring it up with her tho. So Reddit...do ya thing!
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>because since he's a citizen...so am I It's not quite that simple >General Requirements for Fathers of Children Born Out of Wedlock >The general requirements for acquisition of citizenship at birth for a child born in wedlock also apply to a child born out of wedlock outside of the United States (or one of its outlying possessions) who claims citizenship through a U.S. citizen father. Specifically, the provisions apply in cases where: >•A blood relationship between the child and the father is established by clear and convincing evidence; >•The child’s father was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child’s birth; >•The child’s father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the child until the child reaches 18 years of age; and >•One of the following criteria is met before the child reaches 18 years of age: >•The child is legitimated under the law of his or her residence or domicile; >•The father acknowledges in writing and under oath the paternity of the child; or >•The paternity of the child is established by adjudication of a competent court. Even if those requirements weren't met before you turned 18, it may still be possible to pettion on behalf of a green card; but perhaps not. >If you are the child’s father and the child was born outside of marriage (out of wedlock), and you did not legitimate the child before he or she turned 18, then proving your father-child relationship will require evidence of a personal relationship (also referred to as a “bona fide” relationship) between you and the child. >For example, you might supply evidence that you lived with the child at some point, publicly treated the child as your own, and/or participated in the child's life—especially through financial and/or emotional support, but also through demonstrated concern for the child’s well-being, school work, or religious instruction. >Be sure to include copies of any: receipts of money orders you sent to the child; insurance records naming the child as your beneficiary; letters exchanged between you and the child; and affidavits written by persons (perhaps your friends or your child’s school officials) who know about the relationship.
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Dad (American citizen) left mum (Nigerian citizen) and I before I was even born, they were never married. My mum (alone) has taken care of me since then and we were fine, but then a few years ago he said he wants me to apply for an American passport so we could.... ..."bond" I guess. We started the process and then midway he suddenly goes AWOL and stops the responding once the embassy requests for his tax returns. Late last year he then said I should apply to US schools for college and so I started doing that but now he's not responding to my texts about the application process. I'm SO tired & annoyed and I believe he owes my mum and I: 1) Money. For all the missed years of child support (I'm 19 now so 18 years missed) & 2) a U.S. passport ^_^ because since he's a citizen...so am I. And the passport will make it easier for me to get into schools there Any advice on what I should do to get these things? I'm yet to mention this to my mum because the last time I told her to seek legal advice regarding this situation (like 4 years ago) she sounded averse to it because of high legal fees. If anyone gives solid advice I'll bring it up with her tho. So Reddit...do ya thing!
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Do you know if he filed a consular report of birth abroad when you were born? Where were you born? Where did your father grow up?
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> ..."bond" I guess. We started the process and then midway he suddenly goes AWOL and stops the responding once the embassy requests for his tax returns. Late last year he then said I should apply to US schools for college and so I started doing that but now he's not responding to my texts about the application process. I'm SO tired & annoyed and I believe he owes my mum and I: > 1) Money. For all the missed years of child support (I'm 19 now so 18 years missed) & > > 2) a U.S. passport ^_^ because since he's a citizen...so am I. And the passport will make it easier for me to get into schools there > > Any advice on what I should do to get these things? I'm yet to mention this to my mum because the last time I told her to seek legal advice regarding this situation (like 4 years ago) she sounded averse to it because of high legal fees. If anyone gives solid advice I'll bring it up with her tho. So Reddit...do ya thing!
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My mother has been seperated from my father for 30 years. Now that she just found out he is dead, she wants to alter his death certificate because his partner of 17 years said he was not married. Now she wants my ID and signature to request the death certificate. Does she need this to remarry? My mother left my father when I was 1. They married in FL. and had only been together a couple of years. When I was born they moved back to NY where my grandparents to lived. They worked together at my father's business until they split and we moved to the UK. Allegedly they made a deal that my mother would not seek child support if he never sought visitation. Once the deal was struck we got on a plane, they never divorced. Eventually we moved back to Fl. I got to see him for a couple weeks when in my early teens after he moved NY to FL in the hopes of maybe starting a relationship with me. I wanted that and we spent free time together for a couple of weeks. My mother promptly moved us out of the country again for 6 months, and then to SC. We had never been to SC before and had no reason to go there. We stayed loosely in touch,, and when I was 24 I was able to rekindle a relationship with him. I would visit whenever I was in the area, and I met his partner C. He and his SO started or continued the business together in FL. and remained in Fl. They were together 17 years. I texted my father recently only to get a response from C (my father's SO). C informed me that he had passed suddenly. I asked if there were any small trinquet like an old shirt or jacket or even a photo that I could have to remember him by. She seemed at first very concerned, said they really didn't have a lot and went on about how the business was in debt and she was struggling. I assured her I wanted nothing of value from them, only momentos. She sent me some photos. She seemed concerned that I would try for some of his estate, if there was one. I told my mother (BS) that Dad had passed. She of course made it about her, saying she was a widow now. She has been dating my brothers father for about 17 or 18 years and NEVER spoke with my father, even when I was meeting him as a kid. Now about a month later, BS has started harassing me about sending a photocopy of my license 200x zoomed and signed and dated so that she can get Dads death certificate. She said I have to do it because I am immediate family, and said there was an urgent deadline. I asked why, and she said that C had falsified the death certificate saying that dad was not married, and this now prevents BS from being able to remarry my brothers father. I was hesitant, and have been trying to look up the laws about seperation vs legal seperation and divorce/annulment. While looking this up, I start to get heavy pressure from BS to hurry up and do it because she has already filed the request for me online and needs my document. I am sure if she had a copy already she would've just forged it. She messages reminding me that she needs it right away repeatedly, I give her reasons why I am busy, which I have been. Finally she sent a message while I am at work. The text preview on FB says something to the effect of "Nevermind I don't need your ID. C falsified documents and now I am going to have to take the bitch to court to prove that we were married..." Red flags are waving and I immediately try to click the message, but she has already deleted it, leaving he last message to me an urge to hurry up and send my ID. I ask her what the message said, she lies and says "I was going to apologize that the insurance check I forwarded to you never made it, but then I thought better of it." I persisted and said "No, the thing about C" No response, 2 days go by and she sends me a screenshot about how her request is going to time out because she didn't send my documents. I responded "you didn't answer my question" and she says "what does that have to do with this?" TLDR; My mother is manipulative and frequently lies to get her way. My recently deceased father's SO is concerned that my mother/me might try to take my father's business. My mother has started asking me for documents to get his death certificate so she can change it. If my mother's end goal was to remarry her long term SO, how can I assist her in doing so without risking her trying to steal a business away from his long term partner? I don't mind helping her to be able to marry, but I do not want to be involved if she may be trying to argue that she is entitled as his wife in any way. I don't see why there would be a sudden rush to get his death certificate when they have been seperated for 30 years. And why would she need to change the death certificate? Isn't an incorrect death certificate still proof that the husband is dead? Any and all advise on how to handle this would be appreciated.
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While you can choose not to accept anything from the estate, you are likely entitled to some of your bio-dad's estate as his offspring. It would be beneficial for you to have a copy of the death certificate if you are able to order one. You need to find out the state and county where he died. The vital records office in that county should be able to provide you with copies. Reasons to get a death certificate may include accessing pension benefits, claiming life insurance, settling estates, getting married (if a widow or widower needs to prove that their previous partner has passed), or arranging for a funeral. As some of these entities require ORIGINAL death certificates, it’s a good idea to get several when you place an order.
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I suspect mother is attempting to gain access to his estate. If he was dead, then it wouldn’t matter whether they had divorced or not, in regards to a new marriage.
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My mother has been seperated from my father for 30 years. Now that she just found out he is dead, she wants to alter his death certificate because his partner of 17 years said he was not married. Now she wants my ID and signature to request the death certificate. Does she need this to remarry? My mother left my father when I was 1. They married in FL. and had only been together a couple of years. When I was born they moved back to NY where my grandparents to lived. They worked together at my father's business until they split and we moved to the UK. Allegedly they made a deal that my mother would not seek child support if he never sought visitation. Once the deal was struck we got on a plane, they never divorced. Eventually we moved back to Fl. I got to see him for a couple weeks when in my early teens after he moved NY to FL in the hopes of maybe starting a relationship with me. I wanted that and we spent free time together for a couple of weeks. My mother promptly moved us out of the country again for 6 months, and then to SC. We had never been to SC before and had no reason to go there. We stayed loosely in touch,, and when I was 24 I was able to rekindle a relationship with him. I would visit whenever I was in the area, and I met his partner C. He and his SO started or continued the business together in FL. and remained in Fl. They were together 17 years. I texted my father recently only to get a response from C (my father's SO). C informed me that he had passed suddenly. I asked if there were any small trinquet like an old shirt or jacket or even a photo that I could have to remember him by. She seemed at first very concerned, said they really didn't have a lot and went on about how the business was in debt and she was struggling. I assured her I wanted nothing of value from them, only momentos. She sent me some photos. She seemed concerned that I would try for some of his estate, if there was one. I told my mother (BS) that Dad had passed. She of course made it about her, saying she was a widow now. She has been dating my brothers father for about 17 or 18 years and NEVER spoke with my father, even when I was meeting him as a kid. Now about a month later, BS has started harassing me about sending a photocopy of my license 200x zoomed and signed and dated so that she can get Dads death certificate. She said I have to do it because I am immediate family, and said there was an urgent deadline. I asked why, and she said that C had falsified the death certificate saying that dad was not married, and this now prevents BS from being able to remarry my brothers father. I was hesitant, and have been trying to look up the laws about seperation vs legal seperation and divorce/annulment. While looking this up, I start to get heavy pressure from BS to hurry up and do it because she has already filed the request for me online and needs my document. I am sure if she had a copy already she would've just forged it. She messages reminding me that she needs it right away repeatedly, I give her reasons why I am busy, which I have been. Finally she sent a message while I am at work. The text preview on FB says something to the effect of "Nevermind I don't need your ID. C falsified documents and now I am going to have to take the bitch to court to prove that we were married..." Red flags are waving and I immediately try to click the message, but she has already deleted it, leaving he last message to me an urge to hurry up and send my ID. I ask her what the message said, she lies and says "I was going to apologize that the insurance check I forwarded to you never made it, but then I thought better of it." I persisted and said "No, the thing about C" No response, 2 days go by and she sends me a screenshot about how her request is going to time out because she didn't send my documents. I responded "you didn't answer my question" and she says "what does that have to do with this?" TLDR; My mother is manipulative and frequently lies to get her way. My recently deceased father's SO is concerned that my mother/me might try to take my father's business. My mother has started asking me for documents to get his death certificate so she can change it. If my mother's end goal was to remarry her long term SO, how can I assist her in doing so without risking her trying to steal a business away from his long term partner? I don't mind helping her to be able to marry, but I do not want to be involved if she may be trying to argue that she is entitled as his wife in any way. I don't see why there would be a sudden rush to get his death certificate when they have been seperated for 30 years. And why would she need to change the death certificate? Isn't an incorrect death certificate still proof that the husband is dead? Any and all advise on how to handle this would be appreciated.
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I suspect mother is attempting to gain access to his estate. If he was dead, then it wouldn’t matter whether they had divorced or not, in regards to a new marriage.
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Uh, if Dad is dead, Mom remarrying would not be bigamy.
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My mother has been seperated from my father for 30 years. Now that she just found out he is dead, she wants to alter his death certificate because his partner of 17 years said he was not married. Now she wants my ID and signature to request the death certificate. Does she need this to remarry? My mother left my father when I was 1. They married in FL. and had only been together a couple of years. When I was born they moved back to NY where my grandparents to lived. They worked together at my father's business until they split and we moved to the UK. Allegedly they made a deal that my mother would not seek child support if he never sought visitation. Once the deal was struck we got on a plane, they never divorced. Eventually we moved back to Fl. I got to see him for a couple weeks when in my early teens after he moved NY to FL in the hopes of maybe starting a relationship with me. I wanted that and we spent free time together for a couple of weeks. My mother promptly moved us out of the country again for 6 months, and then to SC. We had never been to SC before and had no reason to go there. We stayed loosely in touch,, and when I was 24 I was able to rekindle a relationship with him. I would visit whenever I was in the area, and I met his partner C. He and his SO started or continued the business together in FL. and remained in Fl. They were together 17 years. I texted my father recently only to get a response from C (my father's SO). C informed me that he had passed suddenly. I asked if there were any small trinquet like an old shirt or jacket or even a photo that I could have to remember him by. She seemed at first very concerned, said they really didn't have a lot and went on about how the business was in debt and she was struggling. I assured her I wanted nothing of value from them, only momentos. She sent me some photos. She seemed concerned that I would try for some of his estate, if there was one. I told my mother (BS) that Dad had passed. She of course made it about her, saying she was a widow now. She has been dating my brothers father for about 17 or 18 years and NEVER spoke with my father, even when I was meeting him as a kid. Now about a month later, BS has started harassing me about sending a photocopy of my license 200x zoomed and signed and dated so that she can get Dads death certificate. She said I have to do it because I am immediate family, and said there was an urgent deadline. I asked why, and she said that C had falsified the death certificate saying that dad was not married, and this now prevents BS from being able to remarry my brothers father. I was hesitant, and have been trying to look up the laws about seperation vs legal seperation and divorce/annulment. While looking this up, I start to get heavy pressure from BS to hurry up and do it because she has already filed the request for me online and needs my document. I am sure if she had a copy already she would've just forged it. She messages reminding me that she needs it right away repeatedly, I give her reasons why I am busy, which I have been. Finally she sent a message while I am at work. The text preview on FB says something to the effect of "Nevermind I don't need your ID. C falsified documents and now I am going to have to take the bitch to court to prove that we were married..." Red flags are waving and I immediately try to click the message, but she has already deleted it, leaving he last message to me an urge to hurry up and send my ID. I ask her what the message said, she lies and says "I was going to apologize that the insurance check I forwarded to you never made it, but then I thought better of it." I persisted and said "No, the thing about C" No response, 2 days go by and she sends me a screenshot about how her request is going to time out because she didn't send my documents. I responded "you didn't answer my question" and she says "what does that have to do with this?" TLDR; My mother is manipulative and frequently lies to get her way. My recently deceased father's SO is concerned that my mother/me might try to take my father's business. My mother has started asking me for documents to get his death certificate so she can change it. If my mother's end goal was to remarry her long term SO, how can I assist her in doing so without risking her trying to steal a business away from his long term partner? I don't mind helping her to be able to marry, but I do not want to be involved if she may be trying to argue that she is entitled as his wife in any way. I don't see why there would be a sudden rush to get his death certificate when they have been seperated for 30 years. And why would she need to change the death certificate? Isn't an incorrect death certificate still proof that the husband is dead? Any and all advise on how to handle this would be appreciated.
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Ok, lots going on here. My advice: ignore your mother. If your dad didn’t have an estate plan, FL intestacy law will apply and your mom might well get his entire probate estate, if he has one. If he did have an estate plan, then your mom is likely still entitled to a portion of his estate. Either way, it’s going to be an ugly nightmare and it sounds like you don’t want to be involved in that. Also, she should be able to prove he’s dead on her own for remarriage purposes. As for you, it may not be a bad idea to get a few death certificates in case anything like insurance or whatever comes up. No harm in having them. If you got what’s important to you in terms of pictures, then I would just move on.
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While you can choose not to accept anything from the estate, you are likely entitled to some of your bio-dad's estate as his offspring. It would be beneficial for you to have a copy of the death certificate if you are able to order one. You need to find out the state and county where he died. The vital records office in that county should be able to provide you with copies. Reasons to get a death certificate may include accessing pension benefits, claiming life insurance, settling estates, getting married (if a widow or widower needs to prove that their previous partner has passed), or arranging for a funeral. As some of these entities require ORIGINAL death certificates, it’s a good idea to get several when you place an order.
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My mother has been seperated from my father for 30 years. Now that she just found out he is dead, she wants to alter his death certificate because his partner of 17 years said he was not married. Now she wants my ID and signature to request the death certificate. Does she need this to remarry? My mother left my father when I was 1. They married in FL. and had only been together a couple of years. When I was born they moved back to NY where my grandparents to lived. They worked together at my father's business until they split and we moved to the UK. Allegedly they made a deal that my mother would not seek child support if he never sought visitation. Once the deal was struck we got on a plane, they never divorced. Eventually we moved back to Fl. I got to see him for a couple weeks when in my early teens after he moved NY to FL in the hopes of maybe starting a relationship with me. I wanted that and we spent free time together for a couple of weeks. My mother promptly moved us out of the country again for 6 months, and then to SC. We had never been to SC before and had no reason to go there. We stayed loosely in touch,, and when I was 24 I was able to rekindle a relationship with him. I would visit whenever I was in the area, and I met his partner C. He and his SO started or continued the business together in FL. and remained in Fl. They were together 17 years. I texted my father recently only to get a response from C (my father's SO). C informed me that he had passed suddenly. I asked if there were any small trinquet like an old shirt or jacket or even a photo that I could have to remember him by. She seemed at first very concerned, said they really didn't have a lot and went on about how the business was in debt and she was struggling. I assured her I wanted nothing of value from them, only momentos. She sent me some photos. She seemed concerned that I would try for some of his estate, if there was one. I told my mother (BS) that Dad had passed. She of course made it about her, saying she was a widow now. She has been dating my brothers father for about 17 or 18 years and NEVER spoke with my father, even when I was meeting him as a kid. Now about a month later, BS has started harassing me about sending a photocopy of my license 200x zoomed and signed and dated so that she can get Dads death certificate. She said I have to do it because I am immediate family, and said there was an urgent deadline. I asked why, and she said that C had falsified the death certificate saying that dad was not married, and this now prevents BS from being able to remarry my brothers father. I was hesitant, and have been trying to look up the laws about seperation vs legal seperation and divorce/annulment. While looking this up, I start to get heavy pressure from BS to hurry up and do it because she has already filed the request for me online and needs my document. I am sure if she had a copy already she would've just forged it. She messages reminding me that she needs it right away repeatedly, I give her reasons why I am busy, which I have been. Finally she sent a message while I am at work. The text preview on FB says something to the effect of "Nevermind I don't need your ID. C falsified documents and now I am going to have to take the bitch to court to prove that we were married..." Red flags are waving and I immediately try to click the message, but she has already deleted it, leaving he last message to me an urge to hurry up and send my ID. I ask her what the message said, she lies and says "I was going to apologize that the insurance check I forwarded to you never made it, but then I thought better of it." I persisted and said "No, the thing about C" No response, 2 days go by and she sends me a screenshot about how her request is going to time out because she didn't send my documents. I responded "you didn't answer my question" and she says "what does that have to do with this?" TLDR; My mother is manipulative and frequently lies to get her way. My recently deceased father's SO is concerned that my mother/me might try to take my father's business. My mother has started asking me for documents to get his death certificate so she can change it. If my mother's end goal was to remarry her long term SO, how can I assist her in doing so without risking her trying to steal a business away from his long term partner? I don't mind helping her to be able to marry, but I do not want to be involved if she may be trying to argue that she is entitled as his wife in any way. I don't see why there would be a sudden rush to get his death certificate when they have been seperated for 30 years. And why would she need to change the death certificate? Isn't an incorrect death certificate still proof that the husband is dead? Any and all advise on how to handle this would be appreciated.
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Ok, lots going on here. My advice: ignore your mother. If your dad didn’t have an estate plan, FL intestacy law will apply and your mom might well get his entire probate estate, if he has one. If he did have an estate plan, then your mom is likely still entitled to a portion of his estate. Either way, it’s going to be an ugly nightmare and it sounds like you don’t want to be involved in that. Also, she should be able to prove he’s dead on her own for remarriage purposes. As for you, it may not be a bad idea to get a few death certificates in case anything like insurance or whatever comes up. No harm in having them. If you got what’s important to you in terms of pictures, then I would just move on.
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Uh, if Dad is dead, Mom remarrying would not be bigamy.
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My mother has been seperated from my father for 30 years. Now that she just found out he is dead, she wants to alter his death certificate because his partner of 17 years said he was not married. Now she wants my ID and signature to request the death certificate. Does she need this to remarry? My mother left my father when I was 1. They married in FL. and had only been together a couple of years. When I was born they moved back to NY where my grandparents to lived. They worked together at my father's business until they split and we moved to the UK. Allegedly they made a deal that my mother would not seek child support if he never sought visitation. Once the deal was struck we got on a plane, they never divorced. Eventually we moved back to Fl. I got to see him for a couple weeks when in my early teens after he moved NY to FL in the hopes of maybe starting a relationship with me. I wanted that and we spent free time together for a couple of weeks. My mother promptly moved us out of the country again for 6 months, and then to SC. We had never been to SC before and had no reason to go there. We stayed loosely in touch,, and when I was 24 I was able to rekindle a relationship with him. I would visit whenever I was in the area, and I met his partner C. He and his SO started or continued the business together in FL. and remained in Fl. They were together 17 years. I texted my father recently only to get a response from C (my father's SO). C informed me that he had passed suddenly. I asked if there were any small trinquet like an old shirt or jacket or even a photo that I could have to remember him by. She seemed at first very concerned, said they really didn't have a lot and went on about how the business was in debt and she was struggling. I assured her I wanted nothing of value from them, only momentos. She sent me some photos. She seemed concerned that I would try for some of his estate, if there was one. I told my mother (BS) that Dad had passed. She of course made it about her, saying she was a widow now. She has been dating my brothers father for about 17 or 18 years and NEVER spoke with my father, even when I was meeting him as a kid. Now about a month later, BS has started harassing me about sending a photocopy of my license 200x zoomed and signed and dated so that she can get Dads death certificate. She said I have to do it because I am immediate family, and said there was an urgent deadline. I asked why, and she said that C had falsified the death certificate saying that dad was not married, and this now prevents BS from being able to remarry my brothers father. I was hesitant, and have been trying to look up the laws about seperation vs legal seperation and divorce/annulment. While looking this up, I start to get heavy pressure from BS to hurry up and do it because she has already filed the request for me online and needs my document. I am sure if she had a copy already she would've just forged it. She messages reminding me that she needs it right away repeatedly, I give her reasons why I am busy, which I have been. Finally she sent a message while I am at work. The text preview on FB says something to the effect of "Nevermind I don't need your ID. C falsified documents and now I am going to have to take the bitch to court to prove that we were married..." Red flags are waving and I immediately try to click the message, but she has already deleted it, leaving he last message to me an urge to hurry up and send my ID. I ask her what the message said, she lies and says "I was going to apologize that the insurance check I forwarded to you never made it, but then I thought better of it." I persisted and said "No, the thing about C" No response, 2 days go by and she sends me a screenshot about how her request is going to time out because she didn't send my documents. I responded "you didn't answer my question" and she says "what does that have to do with this?" TLDR; My mother is manipulative and frequently lies to get her way. My recently deceased father's SO is concerned that my mother/me might try to take my father's business. My mother has started asking me for documents to get his death certificate so she can change it. If my mother's end goal was to remarry her long term SO, how can I assist her in doing so without risking her trying to steal a business away from his long term partner? I don't mind helping her to be able to marry, but I do not want to be involved if she may be trying to argue that she is entitled as his wife in any way. I don't see why there would be a sudden rush to get his death certificate when they have been seperated for 30 years. And why would she need to change the death certificate? Isn't an incorrect death certificate still proof that the husband is dead? Any and all advise on how to handle this would be appreciated.
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Uh, if Dad is dead, Mom remarrying would not be bigamy.
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While you can choose not to accept anything from the estate, you are likely entitled to some of your bio-dad's estate as his offspring. It would be beneficial for you to have a copy of the death certificate if you are able to order one. You need to find out the state and county where he died. The vital records office in that county should be able to provide you with copies. Reasons to get a death certificate may include accessing pension benefits, claiming life insurance, settling estates, getting married (if a widow or widower needs to prove that their previous partner has passed), or arranging for a funeral. As some of these entities require ORIGINAL death certificates, it’s a good idea to get several when you place an order.
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My mother has been seperated from my father for 30 years. Now that she just found out he is dead, she wants to alter his death certificate because his partner of 17 years said he was not married. Now she wants my ID and signature to request the death certificate. Does she need this to remarry? My mother left my father when I was 1. They married in FL. and had only been together a couple of years. When I was born they moved back to NY where my grandparents to lived. They worked together at my father's business until they split and we moved to the UK. Allegedly they made a deal that my mother would not seek child support if he never sought visitation. Once the deal was struck we got on a plane, they never divorced. Eventually we moved back to Fl. I got to see him for a couple weeks when in my early teens after he moved NY to FL in the hopes of maybe starting a relationship with me. I wanted that and we spent free time together for a couple of weeks. My mother promptly moved us out of the country again for 6 months, and then to SC. We had never been to SC before and had no reason to go there. We stayed loosely in touch,, and when I was 24 I was able to rekindle a relationship with him. I would visit whenever I was in the area, and I met his partner C. He and his SO started or continued the business together in FL. and remained in Fl. They were together 17 years. I texted my father recently only to get a response from C (my father's SO). C informed me that he had passed suddenly. I asked if there were any small trinquet like an old shirt or jacket or even a photo that I could have to remember him by. She seemed at first very concerned, said they really didn't have a lot and went on about how the business was in debt and she was struggling. I assured her I wanted nothing of value from them, only momentos. She sent me some photos. She seemed concerned that I would try for some of his estate, if there was one. I told my mother (BS) that Dad had passed. She of course made it about her, saying she was a widow now. She has been dating my brothers father for about 17 or 18 years and NEVER spoke with my father, even when I was meeting him as a kid. Now about a month later, BS has started harassing me about sending a photocopy of my license 200x zoomed and signed and dated so that she can get Dads death certificate. She said I have to do it because I am immediate family, and said there was an urgent deadline. I asked why, and she said that C had falsified the death certificate saying that dad was not married, and this now prevents BS from being able to remarry my brothers father. I was hesitant, and have been trying to look up the laws about seperation vs legal seperation and divorce/annulment. While looking this up, I start to get heavy pressure from BS to hurry up and do it because she has already filed the request for me online and needs my document. I am sure if she had a copy already she would've just forged it. She messages reminding me that she needs it right away repeatedly, I give her reasons why I am busy, which I have been. Finally she sent a message while I am at work. The text preview on FB says something to the effect of "Nevermind I don't need your ID. C falsified documents and now I am going to have to take the bitch to court to prove that we were married..." Red flags are waving and I immediately try to click the message, but she has already deleted it, leaving he last message to me an urge to hurry up and send my ID. I ask her what the message said, she lies and says "I was going to apologize that the insurance check I forwarded to you never made it, but then I thought better of it." I persisted and said "No, the thing about C" No response, 2 days go by and she sends me a screenshot about how her request is going to time out because she didn't send my documents. I responded "you didn't answer my question" and she says "what does that have to do with this?" TLDR; My mother is manipulative and frequently lies to get her way. My recently deceased father's SO is concerned that my mother/me might try to take my father's business. My mother has started asking me for documents to get his death certificate so she can change it. If my mother's end goal was to remarry her long term SO, how can I assist her in doing so without risking her trying to steal a business away from his long term partner? I don't mind helping her to be able to marry, but I do not want to be involved if she may be trying to argue that she is entitled as his wife in any way. I don't see why there would be a sudden rush to get his death certificate when they have been seperated for 30 years. And why would she need to change the death certificate? Isn't an incorrect death certificate still proof that the husband is dead? Any and all advise on how to handle this would be appreciated.
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Uh, if Dad is dead, Mom remarrying would not be bigamy.
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She dosen't need any of your documents. She can contact the city/state where she was originally married and get a copy of the marriage certificate..which should be sufficient to counter the "not married " status on your dad's death certificate. If I were you, I would look into the estate for my own purposes, but not for BS.
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My mother has been seperated from my father for 30 years. Now that she just found out he is dead, she wants to alter his death certificate because his partner of 17 years said he was not married. Now she wants my ID and signature to request the death certificate. Does she need this to remarry? My mother left my father when I was 1. They married in FL. and had only been together a couple of years. When I was born they moved back to NY where my grandparents to lived. They worked together at my father's business until they split and we moved to the UK. Allegedly they made a deal that my mother would not seek child support if he never sought visitation. Once the deal was struck we got on a plane, they never divorced. Eventually we moved back to Fl. I got to see him for a couple weeks when in my early teens after he moved NY to FL in the hopes of maybe starting a relationship with me. I wanted that and we spent free time together for a couple of weeks. My mother promptly moved us out of the country again for 6 months, and then to SC. We had never been to SC before and had no reason to go there. We stayed loosely in touch,, and when I was 24 I was able to rekindle a relationship with him. I would visit whenever I was in the area, and I met his partner C. He and his SO started or continued the business together in FL. and remained in Fl. They were together 17 years. I texted my father recently only to get a response from C (my father's SO). C informed me that he had passed suddenly. I asked if there were any small trinquet like an old shirt or jacket or even a photo that I could have to remember him by. She seemed at first very concerned, said they really didn't have a lot and went on about how the business was in debt and she was struggling. I assured her I wanted nothing of value from them, only momentos. She sent me some photos. She seemed concerned that I would try for some of his estate, if there was one. I told my mother (BS) that Dad had passed. She of course made it about her, saying she was a widow now. She has been dating my brothers father for about 17 or 18 years and NEVER spoke with my father, even when I was meeting him as a kid. Now about a month later, BS has started harassing me about sending a photocopy of my license 200x zoomed and signed and dated so that she can get Dads death certificate. She said I have to do it because I am immediate family, and said there was an urgent deadline. I asked why, and she said that C had falsified the death certificate saying that dad was not married, and this now prevents BS from being able to remarry my brothers father. I was hesitant, and have been trying to look up the laws about seperation vs legal seperation and divorce/annulment. While looking this up, I start to get heavy pressure from BS to hurry up and do it because she has already filed the request for me online and needs my document. I am sure if she had a copy already she would've just forged it. She messages reminding me that she needs it right away repeatedly, I give her reasons why I am busy, which I have been. Finally she sent a message while I am at work. The text preview on FB says something to the effect of "Nevermind I don't need your ID. C falsified documents and now I am going to have to take the bitch to court to prove that we were married..." Red flags are waving and I immediately try to click the message, but she has already deleted it, leaving he last message to me an urge to hurry up and send my ID. I ask her what the message said, she lies and says "I was going to apologize that the insurance check I forwarded to you never made it, but then I thought better of it." I persisted and said "No, the thing about C" No response, 2 days go by and she sends me a screenshot about how her request is going to time out because she didn't send my documents. I responded "you didn't answer my question" and she says "what does that have to do with this?" TLDR; My mother is manipulative and frequently lies to get her way. My recently deceased father's SO is concerned that my mother/me might try to take my father's business. My mother has started asking me for documents to get his death certificate so she can change it. If my mother's end goal was to remarry her long term SO, how can I assist her in doing so without risking her trying to steal a business away from his long term partner? I don't mind helping her to be able to marry, but I do not want to be involved if she may be trying to argue that she is entitled as his wife in any way. I don't see why there would be a sudden rush to get his death certificate when they have been seperated for 30 years. And why would she need to change the death certificate? Isn't an incorrect death certificate still proof that the husband is dead? Any and all advise on how to handle this would be appreciated.
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Do not give a copy of your personal documents to your mother. Full stop. Get an estate lawyer and get legal advice. I'm sorry your stuck on the middle here.
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This is complicated and involves a lot of areas of law. These are the issues I spot: (1) What rights do you have to your father's estate? (2) Is your father married to your mom? and (3) Does your father own the business such that it is part of his estate when he dies? I am a lawyer but do not consider me your lawyer. I will tell you what I know without doing a ton of research. Under Florida law, if your father does not have a will, his estate will pass intestate to (a) the spouse, who will receive the entire estate if your father has surviving children only with the spouse or (b) if not all of the surviving children were with the spouse the spouse will only receive half of the estate and in turn, the other half goes to the children. From the way his partner is acting, and the sudden nature of his death, it would appear that he did not have a will. It seems the partner is trying to make you think there’s no inheritance so you don’t pursue looking into it. How much you inherit will depend on if your dad is deemed to be married. If he does not have a spouse you would get the entire estate (unless he has other children). As far as the spouse issue, someone with more knowledge may have to help you here. Despite being estranged for 30 years they may still be legally be married. If your mother is still married to your father in the eyes of the court, she would inherit his entire estate if you are his only child. Finally the question about the business. Depending on how the business was formed and run, your dad may own the whole thing or he may own it with C. If there is a partnership agreement between your dad and C that would govern who owns the business. If there’s no partnership agreement, or it is not clear, this could be a sticky situation that may be fought over. Only the portion that your dad owns could be passed down in his estate. When someone dies intestate, the court appoints a personal representative to handle the estate matters. Your mom as his spouse could have been appointed. I would look into the probate process in the county where he died and see if you can access his case online to get the relevant court documents to see what is happening.
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My mother has been seperated from my father for 30 years. Now that she just found out he is dead, she wants to alter his death certificate because his partner of 17 years said he was not married. Now she wants my ID and signature to request the death certificate. Does she need this to remarry? My mother left my father when I was 1. They married in FL. and had only been together a couple of years. When I was born they moved back to NY where my grandparents to lived. They worked together at my father's business until they split and we moved to the UK. Allegedly they made a deal that my mother would not seek child support if he never sought visitation. Once the deal was struck we got on a plane, they never divorced. Eventually we moved back to Fl. I got to see him for a couple weeks when in my early teens after he moved NY to FL in the hopes of maybe starting a relationship with me. I wanted that and we spent free time together for a couple of weeks. My mother promptly moved us out of the country again for 6 months, and then to SC. We had never been to SC before and had no reason to go there. We stayed loosely in touch,, and when I was 24 I was able to rekindle a relationship with him. I would visit whenever I was in the area, and I met his partner C. He and his SO started or continued the business together in FL. and remained in Fl. They were together 17 years. I texted my father recently only to get a response from C (my father's SO). C informed me that he had passed suddenly. I asked if there were any small trinquet like an old shirt or jacket or even a photo that I could have to remember him by. She seemed at first very concerned, said they really didn't have a lot and went on about how the business was in debt and she was struggling. I assured her I wanted nothing of value from them, only momentos. She sent me some photos. She seemed concerned that I would try for some of his estate, if there was one. I told my mother (BS) that Dad had passed. She of course made it about her, saying she was a widow now. She has been dating my brothers father for about 17 or 18 years and NEVER spoke with my father, even when I was meeting him as a kid. Now about a month later, BS has started harassing me about sending a photocopy of my license 200x zoomed and signed and dated so that she can get Dads death certificate. She said I have to do it because I am immediate family, and said there was an urgent deadline. I asked why, and she said that C had falsified the death certificate saying that dad was not married, and this now prevents BS from being able to remarry my brothers father. I was hesitant, and have been trying to look up the laws about seperation vs legal seperation and divorce/annulment. While looking this up, I start to get heavy pressure from BS to hurry up and do it because she has already filed the request for me online and needs my document. I am sure if she had a copy already she would've just forged it. She messages reminding me that she needs it right away repeatedly, I give her reasons why I am busy, which I have been. Finally she sent a message while I am at work. The text preview on FB says something to the effect of "Nevermind I don't need your ID. C falsified documents and now I am going to have to take the bitch to court to prove that we were married..." Red flags are waving and I immediately try to click the message, but she has already deleted it, leaving he last message to me an urge to hurry up and send my ID. I ask her what the message said, she lies and says "I was going to apologize that the insurance check I forwarded to you never made it, but then I thought better of it." I persisted and said "No, the thing about C" No response, 2 days go by and she sends me a screenshot about how her request is going to time out because she didn't send my documents. I responded "you didn't answer my question" and she says "what does that have to do with this?" TLDR; My mother is manipulative and frequently lies to get her way. My recently deceased father's SO is concerned that my mother/me might try to take my father's business. My mother has started asking me for documents to get his death certificate so she can change it. If my mother's end goal was to remarry her long term SO, how can I assist her in doing so without risking her trying to steal a business away from his long term partner? I don't mind helping her to be able to marry, but I do not want to be involved if she may be trying to argue that she is entitled as his wife in any way. I don't see why there would be a sudden rush to get his death certificate when they have been seperated for 30 years. And why would she need to change the death certificate? Isn't an incorrect death certificate still proof that the husband is dead? Any and all advise on how to handle this would be appreciated.
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Do not give a copy of your personal documents to your mother. Full stop. Get an estate lawyer and get legal advice. I'm sorry your stuck on the middle here.
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You need an estate lawyer. Now. The excuse of her needing the death certificate to remarry sounds fishy. I'll bet that she's attempting to gain control of your late father's estate, while cutting you and his long term partner out. You are entitled to part of his estate as his child, and you might be able to save some of his assets from your mother for C. Get a probate lawyer now.
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My mother has been seperated from my father for 30 years. Now that she just found out he is dead, she wants to alter his death certificate because his partner of 17 years said he was not married. Now she wants my ID and signature to request the death certificate. Does she need this to remarry? My mother left my father when I was 1. They married in FL. and had only been together a couple of years. When I was born they moved back to NY where my grandparents to lived. They worked together at my father's business until they split and we moved to the UK. Allegedly they made a deal that my mother would not seek child support if he never sought visitation. Once the deal was struck we got on a plane, they never divorced. Eventually we moved back to Fl. I got to see him for a couple weeks when in my early teens after he moved NY to FL in the hopes of maybe starting a relationship with me. I wanted that and we spent free time together for a couple of weeks. My mother promptly moved us out of the country again for 6 months, and then to SC. We had never been to SC before and had no reason to go there. We stayed loosely in touch,, and when I was 24 I was able to rekindle a relationship with him. I would visit whenever I was in the area, and I met his partner C. He and his SO started or continued the business together in FL. and remained in Fl. They were together 17 years. I texted my father recently only to get a response from C (my father's SO). C informed me that he had passed suddenly. I asked if there were any small trinquet like an old shirt or jacket or even a photo that I could have to remember him by. She seemed at first very concerned, said they really didn't have a lot and went on about how the business was in debt and she was struggling. I assured her I wanted nothing of value from them, only momentos. She sent me some photos. She seemed concerned that I would try for some of his estate, if there was one. I told my mother (BS) that Dad had passed. She of course made it about her, saying she was a widow now. She has been dating my brothers father for about 17 or 18 years and NEVER spoke with my father, even when I was meeting him as a kid. Now about a month later, BS has started harassing me about sending a photocopy of my license 200x zoomed and signed and dated so that she can get Dads death certificate. She said I have to do it because I am immediate family, and said there was an urgent deadline. I asked why, and she said that C had falsified the death certificate saying that dad was not married, and this now prevents BS from being able to remarry my brothers father. I was hesitant, and have been trying to look up the laws about seperation vs legal seperation and divorce/annulment. While looking this up, I start to get heavy pressure from BS to hurry up and do it because she has already filed the request for me online and needs my document. I am sure if she had a copy already she would've just forged it. She messages reminding me that she needs it right away repeatedly, I give her reasons why I am busy, which I have been. Finally she sent a message while I am at work. The text preview on FB says something to the effect of "Nevermind I don't need your ID. C falsified documents and now I am going to have to take the bitch to court to prove that we were married..." Red flags are waving and I immediately try to click the message, but she has already deleted it, leaving he last message to me an urge to hurry up and send my ID. I ask her what the message said, she lies and says "I was going to apologize that the insurance check I forwarded to you never made it, but then I thought better of it." I persisted and said "No, the thing about C" No response, 2 days go by and she sends me a screenshot about how her request is going to time out because she didn't send my documents. I responded "you didn't answer my question" and she says "what does that have to do with this?" TLDR; My mother is manipulative and frequently lies to get her way. My recently deceased father's SO is concerned that my mother/me might try to take my father's business. My mother has started asking me for documents to get his death certificate so she can change it. If my mother's end goal was to remarry her long term SO, how can I assist her in doing so without risking her trying to steal a business away from his long term partner? I don't mind helping her to be able to marry, but I do not want to be involved if she may be trying to argue that she is entitled as his wife in any way. I don't see why there would be a sudden rush to get his death certificate when they have been seperated for 30 years. And why would she need to change the death certificate? Isn't an incorrect death certificate still proof that the husband is dead? Any and all advise on how to handle this would be appreciated.
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hcrxwep
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This is complicated and involves a lot of areas of law. These are the issues I spot: (1) What rights do you have to your father's estate? (2) Is your father married to your mom? and (3) Does your father own the business such that it is part of his estate when he dies? I am a lawyer but do not consider me your lawyer. I will tell you what I know without doing a ton of research. Under Florida law, if your father does not have a will, his estate will pass intestate to (a) the spouse, who will receive the entire estate if your father has surviving children only with the spouse or (b) if not all of the surviving children were with the spouse the spouse will only receive half of the estate and in turn, the other half goes to the children. From the way his partner is acting, and the sudden nature of his death, it would appear that he did not have a will. It seems the partner is trying to make you think there’s no inheritance so you don’t pursue looking into it. How much you inherit will depend on if your dad is deemed to be married. If he does not have a spouse you would get the entire estate (unless he has other children). As far as the spouse issue, someone with more knowledge may have to help you here. Despite being estranged for 30 years they may still be legally be married. If your mother is still married to your father in the eyes of the court, she would inherit his entire estate if you are his only child. Finally the question about the business. Depending on how the business was formed and run, your dad may own the whole thing or he may own it with C. If there is a partnership agreement between your dad and C that would govern who owns the business. If there’s no partnership agreement, or it is not clear, this could be a sticky situation that may be fought over. Only the portion that your dad owns could be passed down in his estate. When someone dies intestate, the court appoints a personal representative to handle the estate matters. Your mom as his spouse could have been appointed. I would look into the probate process in the county where he died and see if you can access his case online to get the relevant court documents to see what is happening.
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The only thing you have control over in this are your own documents. You don’t have to give them to your mother. As for the rest, that’s not your responsibility. By this glimpse into your mother’s personality, it seems like keeping the peace has been a lifelong job for you, so you’re probably taking this on out of habit. Your father’s SO will probably need an attorney, but that is what it is. There were 17 years for them to divorce and/or for him to specifically disinherit your mother from his Will. Look, I know it sucks having to watch the chips fall, but it’s not your responsibility to catch them. They are all adults. Repeat after me: “My name’s Paul and that’s ‘tween y’all.” Also, I’m very sorry about your father’s passing. Wishing you the best of luck.
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My mother has been seperated from my father for 30 years. Now that she just found out he is dead, she wants to alter his death certificate because his partner of 17 years said he was not married. Now she wants my ID and signature to request the death certificate. Does she need this to remarry? My mother left my father when I was 1. They married in FL. and had only been together a couple of years. When I was born they moved back to NY where my grandparents to lived. They worked together at my father's business until they split and we moved to the UK. Allegedly they made a deal that my mother would not seek child support if he never sought visitation. Once the deal was struck we got on a plane, they never divorced. Eventually we moved back to Fl. I got to see him for a couple weeks when in my early teens after he moved NY to FL in the hopes of maybe starting a relationship with me. I wanted that and we spent free time together for a couple of weeks. My mother promptly moved us out of the country again for 6 months, and then to SC. We had never been to SC before and had no reason to go there. We stayed loosely in touch,, and when I was 24 I was able to rekindle a relationship with him. I would visit whenever I was in the area, and I met his partner C. He and his SO started or continued the business together in FL. and remained in Fl. They were together 17 years. I texted my father recently only to get a response from C (my father's SO). C informed me that he had passed suddenly. I asked if there were any small trinquet like an old shirt or jacket or even a photo that I could have to remember him by. She seemed at first very concerned, said they really didn't have a lot and went on about how the business was in debt and she was struggling. I assured her I wanted nothing of value from them, only momentos. She sent me some photos. She seemed concerned that I would try for some of his estate, if there was one. I told my mother (BS) that Dad had passed. She of course made it about her, saying she was a widow now. She has been dating my brothers father for about 17 or 18 years and NEVER spoke with my father, even when I was meeting him as a kid. Now about a month later, BS has started harassing me about sending a photocopy of my license 200x zoomed and signed and dated so that she can get Dads death certificate. She said I have to do it because I am immediate family, and said there was an urgent deadline. I asked why, and she said that C had falsified the death certificate saying that dad was not married, and this now prevents BS from being able to remarry my brothers father. I was hesitant, and have been trying to look up the laws about seperation vs legal seperation and divorce/annulment. While looking this up, I start to get heavy pressure from BS to hurry up and do it because she has already filed the request for me online and needs my document. I am sure if she had a copy already she would've just forged it. She messages reminding me that she needs it right away repeatedly, I give her reasons why I am busy, which I have been. Finally she sent a message while I am at work. The text preview on FB says something to the effect of "Nevermind I don't need your ID. C falsified documents and now I am going to have to take the bitch to court to prove that we were married..." Red flags are waving and I immediately try to click the message, but she has already deleted it, leaving he last message to me an urge to hurry up and send my ID. I ask her what the message said, she lies and says "I was going to apologize that the insurance check I forwarded to you never made it, but then I thought better of it." I persisted and said "No, the thing about C" No response, 2 days go by and she sends me a screenshot about how her request is going to time out because she didn't send my documents. I responded "you didn't answer my question" and she says "what does that have to do with this?" TLDR; My mother is manipulative and frequently lies to get her way. My recently deceased father's SO is concerned that my mother/me might try to take my father's business. My mother has started asking me for documents to get his death certificate so she can change it. If my mother's end goal was to remarry her long term SO, how can I assist her in doing so without risking her trying to steal a business away from his long term partner? I don't mind helping her to be able to marry, but I do not want to be involved if she may be trying to argue that she is entitled as his wife in any way. I don't see why there would be a sudden rush to get his death certificate when they have been seperated for 30 years. And why would she need to change the death certificate? Isn't an incorrect death certificate still proof that the husband is dead? Any and all advise on how to handle this would be appreciated.
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hcrxwep
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hcr6lyw
| 1,631,588,896 | 1,631,576,251 | 35 | 12 |
The only thing you have control over in this are your own documents. You don’t have to give them to your mother. As for the rest, that’s not your responsibility. By this glimpse into your mother’s personality, it seems like keeping the peace has been a lifelong job for you, so you’re probably taking this on out of habit. Your father’s SO will probably need an attorney, but that is what it is. There were 17 years for them to divorce and/or for him to specifically disinherit your mother from his Will. Look, I know it sucks having to watch the chips fall, but it’s not your responsibility to catch them. They are all adults. Repeat after me: “My name’s Paul and that’s ‘tween y’all.” Also, I’m very sorry about your father’s passing. Wishing you the best of luck.
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You need an estate lawyer. Now. The excuse of her needing the death certificate to remarry sounds fishy. I'll bet that she's attempting to gain control of your late father's estate, while cutting you and his long term partner out. You are entitled to part of his estate as his child, and you might be able to save some of his assets from your mother for C. Get a probate lawyer now.
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pnmspm
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My mother has been seperated from my father for 30 years. Now that she just found out he is dead, she wants to alter his death certificate because his partner of 17 years said he was not married. Now she wants my ID and signature to request the death certificate. Does she need this to remarry? My mother left my father when I was 1. They married in FL. and had only been together a couple of years. When I was born they moved back to NY where my grandparents to lived. They worked together at my father's business until they split and we moved to the UK. Allegedly they made a deal that my mother would not seek child support if he never sought visitation. Once the deal was struck we got on a plane, they never divorced. Eventually we moved back to Fl. I got to see him for a couple weeks when in my early teens after he moved NY to FL in the hopes of maybe starting a relationship with me. I wanted that and we spent free time together for a couple of weeks. My mother promptly moved us out of the country again for 6 months, and then to SC. We had never been to SC before and had no reason to go there. We stayed loosely in touch,, and when I was 24 I was able to rekindle a relationship with him. I would visit whenever I was in the area, and I met his partner C. He and his SO started or continued the business together in FL. and remained in Fl. They were together 17 years. I texted my father recently only to get a response from C (my father's SO). C informed me that he had passed suddenly. I asked if there were any small trinquet like an old shirt or jacket or even a photo that I could have to remember him by. She seemed at first very concerned, said they really didn't have a lot and went on about how the business was in debt and she was struggling. I assured her I wanted nothing of value from them, only momentos. She sent me some photos. She seemed concerned that I would try for some of his estate, if there was one. I told my mother (BS) that Dad had passed. She of course made it about her, saying she was a widow now. She has been dating my brothers father for about 17 or 18 years and NEVER spoke with my father, even when I was meeting him as a kid. Now about a month later, BS has started harassing me about sending a photocopy of my license 200x zoomed and signed and dated so that she can get Dads death certificate. She said I have to do it because I am immediate family, and said there was an urgent deadline. I asked why, and she said that C had falsified the death certificate saying that dad was not married, and this now prevents BS from being able to remarry my brothers father. I was hesitant, and have been trying to look up the laws about seperation vs legal seperation and divorce/annulment. While looking this up, I start to get heavy pressure from BS to hurry up and do it because she has already filed the request for me online and needs my document. I am sure if she had a copy already she would've just forged it. She messages reminding me that she needs it right away repeatedly, I give her reasons why I am busy, which I have been. Finally she sent a message while I am at work. The text preview on FB says something to the effect of "Nevermind I don't need your ID. C falsified documents and now I am going to have to take the bitch to court to prove that we were married..." Red flags are waving and I immediately try to click the message, but she has already deleted it, leaving he last message to me an urge to hurry up and send my ID. I ask her what the message said, she lies and says "I was going to apologize that the insurance check I forwarded to you never made it, but then I thought better of it." I persisted and said "No, the thing about C" No response, 2 days go by and she sends me a screenshot about how her request is going to time out because she didn't send my documents. I responded "you didn't answer my question" and she says "what does that have to do with this?" TLDR; My mother is manipulative and frequently lies to get her way. My recently deceased father's SO is concerned that my mother/me might try to take my father's business. My mother has started asking me for documents to get his death certificate so she can change it. If my mother's end goal was to remarry her long term SO, how can I assist her in doing so without risking her trying to steal a business away from his long term partner? I don't mind helping her to be able to marry, but I do not want to be involved if she may be trying to argue that she is entitled as his wife in any way. I don't see why there would be a sudden rush to get his death certificate when they have been seperated for 30 years. And why would she need to change the death certificate? Isn't an incorrect death certificate still proof that the husband is dead? Any and all advise on how to handle this would be appreciated.
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hcr38c5
| 1,631,589,380 | 1,631,574,660 | 20 | 12 |
Given the manipulation your mother is attempting to pull here, it's possible there's another angle. Is it possible that your father could have filed for divorce at some point? If so, he may have gotten a default judgment if your mother never responded. Depending on your relationship with C, this might be something to talk with her about. Your father could very well have been unmarried.
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This is complicated and involves a lot of areas of law. These are the issues I spot: (1) What rights do you have to your father's estate? (2) Is your father married to your mom? and (3) Does your father own the business such that it is part of his estate when he dies? I am a lawyer but do not consider me your lawyer. I will tell you what I know without doing a ton of research. Under Florida law, if your father does not have a will, his estate will pass intestate to (a) the spouse, who will receive the entire estate if your father has surviving children only with the spouse or (b) if not all of the surviving children were with the spouse the spouse will only receive half of the estate and in turn, the other half goes to the children. From the way his partner is acting, and the sudden nature of his death, it would appear that he did not have a will. It seems the partner is trying to make you think there’s no inheritance so you don’t pursue looking into it. How much you inherit will depend on if your dad is deemed to be married. If he does not have a spouse you would get the entire estate (unless he has other children). As far as the spouse issue, someone with more knowledge may have to help you here. Despite being estranged for 30 years they may still be legally be married. If your mother is still married to your father in the eyes of the court, she would inherit his entire estate if you are his only child. Finally the question about the business. Depending on how the business was formed and run, your dad may own the whole thing or he may own it with C. If there is a partnership agreement between your dad and C that would govern who owns the business. If there’s no partnership agreement, or it is not clear, this could be a sticky situation that may be fought over. Only the portion that your dad owns could be passed down in his estate. When someone dies intestate, the court appoints a personal representative to handle the estate matters. Your mom as his spouse could have been appointed. I would look into the probate process in the county where he died and see if you can access his case online to get the relevant court documents to see what is happening.
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pnmspm
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My mother has been seperated from my father for 30 years. Now that she just found out he is dead, she wants to alter his death certificate because his partner of 17 years said he was not married. Now she wants my ID and signature to request the death certificate. Does she need this to remarry? My mother left my father when I was 1. They married in FL. and had only been together a couple of years. When I was born they moved back to NY where my grandparents to lived. They worked together at my father's business until they split and we moved to the UK. Allegedly they made a deal that my mother would not seek child support if he never sought visitation. Once the deal was struck we got on a plane, they never divorced. Eventually we moved back to Fl. I got to see him for a couple weeks when in my early teens after he moved NY to FL in the hopes of maybe starting a relationship with me. I wanted that and we spent free time together for a couple of weeks. My mother promptly moved us out of the country again for 6 months, and then to SC. We had never been to SC before and had no reason to go there. We stayed loosely in touch,, and when I was 24 I was able to rekindle a relationship with him. I would visit whenever I was in the area, and I met his partner C. He and his SO started or continued the business together in FL. and remained in Fl. They were together 17 years. I texted my father recently only to get a response from C (my father's SO). C informed me that he had passed suddenly. I asked if there were any small trinquet like an old shirt or jacket or even a photo that I could have to remember him by. She seemed at first very concerned, said they really didn't have a lot and went on about how the business was in debt and she was struggling. I assured her I wanted nothing of value from them, only momentos. She sent me some photos. She seemed concerned that I would try for some of his estate, if there was one. I told my mother (BS) that Dad had passed. She of course made it about her, saying she was a widow now. She has been dating my brothers father for about 17 or 18 years and NEVER spoke with my father, even when I was meeting him as a kid. Now about a month later, BS has started harassing me about sending a photocopy of my license 200x zoomed and signed and dated so that she can get Dads death certificate. She said I have to do it because I am immediate family, and said there was an urgent deadline. I asked why, and she said that C had falsified the death certificate saying that dad was not married, and this now prevents BS from being able to remarry my brothers father. I was hesitant, and have been trying to look up the laws about seperation vs legal seperation and divorce/annulment. While looking this up, I start to get heavy pressure from BS to hurry up and do it because she has already filed the request for me online and needs my document. I am sure if she had a copy already she would've just forged it. She messages reminding me that she needs it right away repeatedly, I give her reasons why I am busy, which I have been. Finally she sent a message while I am at work. The text preview on FB says something to the effect of "Nevermind I don't need your ID. C falsified documents and now I am going to have to take the bitch to court to prove that we were married..." Red flags are waving and I immediately try to click the message, but she has already deleted it, leaving he last message to me an urge to hurry up and send my ID. I ask her what the message said, she lies and says "I was going to apologize that the insurance check I forwarded to you never made it, but then I thought better of it." I persisted and said "No, the thing about C" No response, 2 days go by and she sends me a screenshot about how her request is going to time out because she didn't send my documents. I responded "you didn't answer my question" and she says "what does that have to do with this?" TLDR; My mother is manipulative and frequently lies to get her way. My recently deceased father's SO is concerned that my mother/me might try to take my father's business. My mother has started asking me for documents to get his death certificate so she can change it. If my mother's end goal was to remarry her long term SO, how can I assist her in doing so without risking her trying to steal a business away from his long term partner? I don't mind helping her to be able to marry, but I do not want to be involved if she may be trying to argue that she is entitled as his wife in any way. I don't see why there would be a sudden rush to get his death certificate when they have been seperated for 30 years. And why would she need to change the death certificate? Isn't an incorrect death certificate still proof that the husband is dead? Any and all advise on how to handle this would be appreciated.
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hcr6lyw
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hcryvdz
| 1,631,576,251 | 1,631,589,380 | 12 | 20 |
You need an estate lawyer. Now. The excuse of her needing the death certificate to remarry sounds fishy. I'll bet that she's attempting to gain control of your late father's estate, while cutting you and his long term partner out. You are entitled to part of his estate as his child, and you might be able to save some of his assets from your mother for C. Get a probate lawyer now.
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Given the manipulation your mother is attempting to pull here, it's possible there's another angle. Is it possible that your father could have filed for divorce at some point? If so, he may have gotten a default judgment if your mother never responded. Depending on your relationship with C, this might be something to talk with her about. Your father could very well have been unmarried.
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Months after I got married and moved out, my parents were evicted. They never told me I was on the lease. Now my partner and I can't rent anywhere. What recourse do I have? Northern California. Hello all. As the title says, I'm trying to decipher what has happened, if my parents did anything in my name without telling me, and what I can do about it. So here's my story. Background: In 2011 my parents moved into a new home after being evicted from the last one. I was 20 at the time. They told me they were putting me down on the lease only as a "person over the age of 18 living in the house", but no mention of being responsible for anything. I never once signed any paperwork, personally provided any pay information or identification. I was working a minimum wage job at the time and also a student, earning roughly $300 per 2 week paycheck. Legally still considered a dependent. In March of 2013 I moved out of my parents house and in with my boyfriend, however I was not on the lease. In June of 2013 we moved into an apartment together, we were both on the lease. In November of 2013 our relationship became legal. No longer legally considered a dependent. We moved again after that in March of 2014, and once more in March of 2015. According to the eviction paperwork, a Writ of Possession Judgement was entered on 1/2013. A Writ of Execution was issued on 1/2014. A Notice to Vacate was given on 2/2014. On all of the eviction paperwork, my name is listed as the defendant and first, my parents are listed second as "additional debtors". So now, questions... First, does it matter or does it mean anything that my name is listed as the defendant on all the paperwork, and my parents are only listed as "additional debtors"? Second of all, why am I on it anyway? I was a dependent college student earning a couple hundred bucks a month, absolutely not in any position to be responsible for a debt the size of house rent (which was roughly 1,200 a month, or over twice my monthly income). Third, does my presence on the lease and the eviction mean that my parents could have put me on the lease as a legally responsible party? Could this happen in any way without my signature? Does this suggest they could have forged my signature? And lastly, does anyone have any idea what I can do? There are no apartment or management companies where I live who will even consider an eviction. It is considered an automatic disqualification by every management company in my area. I literally have no idea what to do. I'm seriously considering getting an attorney to investigate this, but I'd like to know if I have anything to build a case on. And in the mean time, I'd really like to have a place to live that isn't a cardboard box on the street.
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d6sqxrx
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> They told me they were putting me down on the lease only as a "person over the age of 18 living in the house", but no mention of being responsible for anything...why am I on it anyway? That's typical. Many leases require it. No signature required, forged or otherwise. And in evictions, the landlord/agency has to put down everyone who is mentioned on the lease or who might live there (named or unnamed). I've seen dogs listed. So maybe your parents did something in your name, maybe they didn't. EDIT: ~~(Why would they need to...did you have great credit and they had lousy credit when they rented the place?)~~ But yes, by all means speak to an attorney to see if there is anything untoward here or anything in CA law that might help you. If you parents did steal your identity, you may be able to clear this up...and they may be headed to jail.
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Be forewarned that you might not like where this is going. It sounds like your parents criminally used your identity. They could be prosecuted for this. If I were you, I would feel bad but not too bad. After all, they did this to themselves and hurt you in the process.
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Months after I got married and moved out, my parents were evicted. They never told me I was on the lease. Now my partner and I can't rent anywhere. What recourse do I have? Northern California. Hello all. As the title says, I'm trying to decipher what has happened, if my parents did anything in my name without telling me, and what I can do about it. So here's my story. Background: In 2011 my parents moved into a new home after being evicted from the last one. I was 20 at the time. They told me they were putting me down on the lease only as a "person over the age of 18 living in the house", but no mention of being responsible for anything. I never once signed any paperwork, personally provided any pay information or identification. I was working a minimum wage job at the time and also a student, earning roughly $300 per 2 week paycheck. Legally still considered a dependent. In March of 2013 I moved out of my parents house and in with my boyfriend, however I was not on the lease. In June of 2013 we moved into an apartment together, we were both on the lease. In November of 2013 our relationship became legal. No longer legally considered a dependent. We moved again after that in March of 2014, and once more in March of 2015. According to the eviction paperwork, a Writ of Possession Judgement was entered on 1/2013. A Writ of Execution was issued on 1/2014. A Notice to Vacate was given on 2/2014. On all of the eviction paperwork, my name is listed as the defendant and first, my parents are listed second as "additional debtors". So now, questions... First, does it matter or does it mean anything that my name is listed as the defendant on all the paperwork, and my parents are only listed as "additional debtors"? Second of all, why am I on it anyway? I was a dependent college student earning a couple hundred bucks a month, absolutely not in any position to be responsible for a debt the size of house rent (which was roughly 1,200 a month, or over twice my monthly income). Third, does my presence on the lease and the eviction mean that my parents could have put me on the lease as a legally responsible party? Could this happen in any way without my signature? Does this suggest they could have forged my signature? And lastly, does anyone have any idea what I can do? There are no apartment or management companies where I live who will even consider an eviction. It is considered an automatic disqualification by every management company in my area. I literally have no idea what to do. I'm seriously considering getting an attorney to investigate this, but I'd like to know if I have anything to build a case on. And in the mean time, I'd really like to have a place to live that isn't a cardboard box on the street.
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d6sqx94
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Somewhat similar situation, my wife had a collection on her credit from an apartment she lived in with her parents in high school. When she called the collection agency, they sent her a copy of the full contract... minus the signature page. When she finally got the signature page, it confirmed what she knew: She never signed the damned thing and she was just listed as a resident. Skeezy landlords are skeezy. It's entirely possible your parents did nothing wrong (on the name/signing front) and the landlord is shotgunning it in hopes that you'll just pay to make it go away. Contact the landlord, ask for a copy of the contract. Demand proof. Additional action may be required, depending on the results. California is a two-party consent state, so if you record the call (which I heartily recommend), you have to get their consent.
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> They told me they were putting me down on the lease only as a "person over the age of 18 living in the house", but no mention of being responsible for anything...why am I on it anyway? That's typical. Many leases require it. No signature required, forged or otherwise. And in evictions, the landlord/agency has to put down everyone who is mentioned on the lease or who might live there (named or unnamed). I've seen dogs listed. So maybe your parents did something in your name, maybe they didn't. EDIT: ~~(Why would they need to...did you have great credit and they had lousy credit when they rented the place?)~~ But yes, by all means speak to an attorney to see if there is anything untoward here or anything in CA law that might help you. If you parents did steal your identity, you may be able to clear this up...and they may be headed to jail.
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I was summoned for jury duty and I can't make it. I received a jury summons in the mail telling me to report Monday Oct 15th. No problem, I was unemployed at that time. I received an automated phone message the week before my summons date telling me not to go, but rather to call the hotline after 6pm Friday Oct 26th. When I called, the message told me to report at 730am Oct 29th, which is the day I start my new job. So I had to call after 6pm Friday, and I have to be there at 730am Monday, leaving me no opportunity to notify my new employer. The only way to request a delay is by mail, before the date of my summons. Obviously I can't do that, so am I fucked?
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Call your employer, they will understand if it's jury duty and you explain to them about it. You can get a fine for not showing up when your summoned for jury duty. ​ https://legalvision.com.au/jury-duty/
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You need to go to jury duty. Leave a message for your employer on voice mail or email, and call at the first break on Monday to tell them personally and profusely apologize for handling this badly. The proper way to handle this would have been to tell your new employer *before* Friday that you had to call in Friday night for possible jury service on the 29th, and might not be able to start that day. Expect them to be annoyed that you did not do this.
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ilwy85b
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>I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be You'll have to explain some more detail of what those benefits are. If you're talking about health insurance or a retirement program, then you need to examine your pay stubs to see if that money was deducted. I'm less sure about whether it's a true breach of contract to promise a benefit but then never deliver it: you would probably have to show what it cost you during your employment to buy that promised thing yourself. The termination-by-gossip sounds profoundly unprofessional, but not discriminatory or a breach of contract or an employment law. Being fired after calling out sick without notice, after just a few months of employment, is not an FMLA violation.
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Stupidity isn't illegal. Not receiving your compensation per the contract your employer signed is some nonsense. It sounds like they withheld significant things. Could be worth suing over, depending on dollar amount involved and how easy it is to show breach of contract.
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wyin3m
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ilxiumf
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ilxka4x
| 1,661,553,591 | 1,661,554,227 | 54 | 227 |
First of all, if they haven’t fired you officially, i would still show up tomorrow. Before they claim you were a “no call no show” and they pull together a story on that for terms of termination. Even if a state is “at will” doesn’t mean there aren’t proper steps they should be taking to discharge someone. They would have to have documentation of whatever reason they discharged you for but seeing as they never spoke to you about anything, there likely is none. If you go in tomorrow and they discharge you, they will likely have a letter for you to sign. Read through it thoroughly. ask for a copy of it and do not sign. I would keep all the receipts such as you calling in today and start digging for that contract you signed and never received benefits for also the confirmation that you called in that day. If you are discharged I would then move to unemployment. If you chose to sue the company for breach of contract you might need all that documentation. You deserve better and this is God’s way of letting you know so don’t worry too much about it 😊
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>I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be You'll have to explain some more detail of what those benefits are. If you're talking about health insurance or a retirement program, then you need to examine your pay stubs to see if that money was deducted. I'm less sure about whether it's a true breach of contract to promise a benefit but then never deliver it: you would probably have to show what it cost you during your employment to buy that promised thing yourself. The termination-by-gossip sounds profoundly unprofessional, but not discriminatory or a breach of contract or an employment law. Being fired after calling out sick without notice, after just a few months of employment, is not an FMLA violation.
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wyin3m
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legaladvice_train
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ilxka4x
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ilwxppj
| 1,661,554,227 | 1,661,544,806 | 227 | 20 |
>I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be You'll have to explain some more detail of what those benefits are. If you're talking about health insurance or a retirement program, then you need to examine your pay stubs to see if that money was deducted. I'm less sure about whether it's a true breach of contract to promise a benefit but then never deliver it: you would probably have to show what it cost you during your employment to buy that promised thing yourself. The termination-by-gossip sounds profoundly unprofessional, but not discriminatory or a breach of contract or an employment law. Being fired after calling out sick without notice, after just a few months of employment, is not an FMLA violation.
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What state do you work in?
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wyin3m
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legaladvice_train
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ilwxppj
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ilwy85b
| 1,661,544,806 | 1,661,545,013 | 20 | 142 |
What state do you work in?
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Stupidity isn't illegal. Not receiving your compensation per the contract your employer signed is some nonsense. It sounds like they withheld significant things. Could be worth suing over, depending on dollar amount involved and how easy it is to show breach of contract.
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wyin3m
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legaladvice_train
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ilxiumf
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ilwxppj
| 1,661,553,591 | 1,661,544,806 | 54 | 20 |
First of all, if they haven’t fired you officially, i would still show up tomorrow. Before they claim you were a “no call no show” and they pull together a story on that for terms of termination. Even if a state is “at will” doesn’t mean there aren’t proper steps they should be taking to discharge someone. They would have to have documentation of whatever reason they discharged you for but seeing as they never spoke to you about anything, there likely is none. If you go in tomorrow and they discharge you, they will likely have a letter for you to sign. Read through it thoroughly. ask for a copy of it and do not sign. I would keep all the receipts such as you calling in today and start digging for that contract you signed and never received benefits for also the confirmation that you called in that day. If you are discharged I would then move to unemployment. If you chose to sue the company for breach of contract you might need all that documentation. You deserve better and this is God’s way of letting you know so don’t worry too much about it 😊
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wyin3m
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legaladvice_train
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ily8nv7
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ilxzej6
| 1,661,565,707 | 1,661,561,264 | 27 | 20 |
Well make sure to go in as scheduled and make them actually fire you if that's what they want to do. Don't just not show up because of what he is telling your coworkers. Go in, get terminated, and file for unemployment. If this lab is part of a larger corporation you may have recourse going to higher levels of management if the company is in breach of hour employment contract or you were fired against company policies.
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Did you actually sign an employment contract? Or an offer letter? There’s a huge difference between the two. If you truly signed an employment contract, it should have most of the answers to your questions within the fine print, and you should consult with an attorney if you feel that your employer breached the term of your contracted agreement. The vast majority of employment in the US is not contractual.
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wyin3m
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legaladvice_train
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ilwxppj
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ily8nv7
| 1,661,544,806 | 1,661,565,707 | 20 | 27 |
What state do you work in?
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Well make sure to go in as scheduled and make them actually fire you if that's what they want to do. Don't just not show up because of what he is telling your coworkers. Go in, get terminated, and file for unemployment. If this lab is part of a larger corporation you may have recourse going to higher levels of management if the company is in breach of hour employment contract or you were fired against company policies.
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wyin3m
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ilxyyvl
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ily8nv7
| 1,661,561,056 | 1,661,565,707 | 9 | 27 |
Too bad you don't have proof of the manager saying you are just an inexperienced woman as you stated above. Sounds like they discriminated against you for being a female. everyone has given you great advice and I hope mine is just as good but when you go back to work record everything that happens. Your boss may slip up and you'll be able to fight the company. You have the right to know why you are being terminated even in an at will company. So ask questions politely and see where it goes but make sure to record the incident in case it's a he said she said game in which the company always wins without solid proof of discrimination and/or abuse
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Well make sure to go in as scheduled and make them actually fire you if that's what they want to do. Don't just not show up because of what he is telling your coworkers. Go in, get terminated, and file for unemployment. If this lab is part of a larger corporation you may have recourse going to higher levels of management if the company is in breach of hour employment contract or you were fired against company policies.
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wyin3m
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ily8nv7
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ily2hqk
| 1,661,565,707 | 1,661,562,737 | 27 | 3 |
Well make sure to go in as scheduled and make them actually fire you if that's what they want to do. Don't just not show up because of what he is telling your coworkers. Go in, get terminated, and file for unemployment. If this lab is part of a larger corporation you may have recourse going to higher levels of management if the company is in breach of hour employment contract or you were fired against company policies.
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Sounds like a toxic workplace environment.You may have been discriminated against in some way. Talk to a lawyer and make sure you have as much documentation as possible. It may be hard to prove though. Sounds like your manager threw you under the bus
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wyin3m
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ilxyyvl
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ilxzej6
| 1,661,561,056 | 1,661,561,264 | 9 | 20 |
Too bad you don't have proof of the manager saying you are just an inexperienced woman as you stated above. Sounds like they discriminated against you for being a female. everyone has given you great advice and I hope mine is just as good but when you go back to work record everything that happens. Your boss may slip up and you'll be able to fight the company. You have the right to know why you are being terminated even in an at will company. So ask questions politely and see where it goes but make sure to record the incident in case it's a he said she said game in which the company always wins without solid proof of discrimination and/or abuse
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Did you actually sign an employment contract? Or an offer letter? There’s a huge difference between the two. If you truly signed an employment contract, it should have most of the answers to your questions within the fine print, and you should consult with an attorney if you feel that your employer breached the term of your contracted agreement. The vast majority of employment in the US is not contractual.
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wyin3m
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ilypagi
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ilzd7yp
| 1,661,574,529 | 1,661,592,024 | 5 | 9 |
Technically if they haven’t been paying you your agreed upon contracted wage properly on top of it being wage theft, it could also be considered tax evasion because according to the contracted wage they should have also been paying the IRS tax on that dollar amount.
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Do you have access to your emails? Especially any of them that detail the lack of compensation and benefits aligned with your contract? If so, go ahead and pull those off of the server before you go in. Screenshots, forwards, etc. You do not want to count on them preserving records for a lawsuit.
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wyin3m
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ily2hqk
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ilzd7yp
| 1,661,562,737 | 1,661,592,024 | 3 | 9 |
Sounds like a toxic workplace environment.You may have been discriminated against in some way. Talk to a lawyer and make sure you have as much documentation as possible. It may be hard to prove though. Sounds like your manager threw you under the bus
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Do you have access to your emails? Especially any of them that detail the lack of compensation and benefits aligned with your contract? If so, go ahead and pull those off of the server before you go in. Screenshots, forwards, etc. You do not want to count on them preserving records for a lawsuit.
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wyin3m
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ilzhsvl
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ilypagi
| 1,661,595,369 | 1,661,574,529 | 8 | 5 |
I'd go speak with a lawyer today if you can and show all proof of what you should have been getting benefits wise and pay wise. I would also play your recording of your manager making discriminatory remarks about you not deserving to even be paid because you are a young woman. It does sound like he's doing this as retaliation for what you stated but I would definitaly seek advice from the lawyer as to what you should next. It may be that you have your lawyer on the phone or with you for back up for the meeting it sounds like you will have on Monday.
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Technically if they haven’t been paying you your agreed upon contracted wage properly on top of it being wage theft, it could also be considered tax evasion because according to the contracted wage they should have also been paying the IRS tax on that dollar amount.
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wyin3m
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ily2hqk
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ilzhsvl
| 1,661,562,737 | 1,661,595,369 | 3 | 8 |
Sounds like a toxic workplace environment.You may have been discriminated against in some way. Talk to a lawyer and make sure you have as much documentation as possible. It may be hard to prove though. Sounds like your manager threw you under the bus
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I'd go speak with a lawyer today if you can and show all proof of what you should have been getting benefits wise and pay wise. I would also play your recording of your manager making discriminatory remarks about you not deserving to even be paid because you are a young woman. It does sound like he's doing this as retaliation for what you stated but I would definitaly seek advice from the lawyer as to what you should next. It may be that you have your lawyer on the phone or with you for back up for the meeting it sounds like you will have on Monday.
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wyin3m
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I called out sick and the day I was out my manager told all my coworkers that when I walked in the next day I would immediately be fired. So basically, my employer hired me on and I have in writing in my contract what my benefits would be. I ended up being in charge of a large section of the lab within the first month. After 3 months my manager told me that they were never planning to actually give me those benefits and they never would because they are shutting down the site I work at. The next month I was told that I now did not count as an employee and that my opinion in the meetings I had to attend as the head of the section I was working in. I was told I had to be in the meetings but I was in no way allowed to interact verbally or through the chat function. I sent a single email to my manager stating that I was unhappy with the lack of compensation for the benefits I had signed for in my contract. It was a professionally worked email, and very short and to the point. The next day (today) I had to call out for a family emergency. I just received several texts from coworkers, some of whom aren’t even in my section of the lab, that they “heard the news about me and were really sorry to see my go”. I asked about it to one of them and apparently my manager has been having meetings with my coworkers telling them I was fired and that when I walk in on Monday to tell him so he can take my badge and walk me out. Can he do that? Can he just tell all my coworkers I am being fired without even letting me know? I received no phone call, no text, no message through our company messaging app, nothing. So they have not tried contacting me even once and yet he is telling everyone at my lab that I am fired.
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ilypagi
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ily2hqk
| 1,661,574,529 | 1,661,562,737 | 5 | 3 |
Technically if they haven’t been paying you your agreed upon contracted wage properly on top of it being wage theft, it could also be considered tax evasion because according to the contracted wage they should have also been paying the IRS tax on that dollar amount.
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Sounds like a toxic workplace environment.You may have been discriminated against in some way. Talk to a lawyer and make sure you have as much documentation as possible. It may be hard to prove though. Sounds like your manager threw you under the bus
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77kgv6
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I work at a pet store in Virginia. Not me but one of my coworkers got bit pretty bad by one of our big macaws. At the time it happened the managers did not inform her of workers compensation and told her "since you're married to a military dude go to the doctors on base". I was the one that informed her of workers compensation and that she needed to get her finger looked at. When she did all the managers were upset by it and were talking poorly of her in the back. And as a little side note all of the managers are related to the owner of the pet store and that is the only reason they are managers. They believed it was ridiculous that she filed for workers compensation. I heard their conversations in the back as they got together and poked fun at her and thinking of ways to get her fired or make her quit. This lasted several days. All though she's not the best employee she's super sweet and works hard but just isn't into birds. Is their behavior illegal? How could I report it. Also they are knowingly selling sick birds. Customers have brought in prof from their veterinarians that their bird died from this disease caused by a bad breeder. The owner has been made aware but they keep using the same bad breeder. How could I report them for this? This has got to be illegal right?
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don0p19
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have her file a claim directly. http://www.vwc.state.va.us/content/injured-workers
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They should know that if she goes to a hospital on base and the injury appears to be work related, the military hospital will require her to file for workman's comp.
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77kgv6
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legaladvice_train
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I work at a pet store in Virginia. Not me but one of my coworkers got bit pretty bad by one of our big macaws. At the time it happened the managers did not inform her of workers compensation and told her "since you're married to a military dude go to the doctors on base". I was the one that informed her of workers compensation and that she needed to get her finger looked at. When she did all the managers were upset by it and were talking poorly of her in the back. And as a little side note all of the managers are related to the owner of the pet store and that is the only reason they are managers. They believed it was ridiculous that she filed for workers compensation. I heard their conversations in the back as they got together and poked fun at her and thinking of ways to get her fired or make her quit. This lasted several days. All though she's not the best employee she's super sweet and works hard but just isn't into birds. Is their behavior illegal? How could I report it. Also they are knowingly selling sick birds. Customers have brought in prof from their veterinarians that their bird died from this disease caused by a bad breeder. The owner has been made aware but they keep using the same bad breeder. How could I report them for this? This has got to be illegal right?
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don0p19
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domq8e2
| 1,508,511,566 | 1,508,496,229 | 104 | 48 |
They should know that if she goes to a hospital on base and the injury appears to be work related, the military hospital will require her to file for workman's comp.
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> I heard their conversations in the back as they got together and poked fun at her and thinking of ways to get her fired or make her quit. Getting together to poke fun at someone or try to imagine ways to get them fired or make them quit makes these folks terrible human beings, but it is not against the law -- the right to free speech includes the right to say some terrible things. *Actually*, making someone quit might be harassment (depending on lots of details), and firing someone because of workman's comp claim might be illegal but since "she's not the best employee she's super sweet and works hard but just isn't into birds" there are lots of other legitimate grounds on which to fire her. > The owner has been made aware [that a particular breeder has provided sick birds in the past] but they keep using the same bad breeder. [...] This has got to be illegal right? Also not illegal. If your store's owner were aware that an individual bird was sick and sold it to a customer without informing them that might be some sort of fraud. But continuing to use a particular supplier who has provided bad merchandise in the past is not, in itself, illegal. **Important disclaimer**: I am not a lawyer in your state, I am not your lawyer, I have just some dude on the internet expressing my opinions about what the law is. So take that into advisement, and feel free to consult other sources if you want a more reliable answer.
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