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9eujkp | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | (CA)I paid cash at an EXPRESS retail store and was told I can only receive my change in the form of a gift card... It gets worse. I went to EXPRESS today to buy dress shirts. Due to being 6'5" they didn't have my size in store but they told me they could deliver the correct size to my house. After giving them my info for delivery they give me the total of $242 and change. I give the lady $245 in cash. Apparently, in order for them to complete this trasaction they need to convert the cash into a gift card. She does this but she makes the gift card for the amount of $245 and not the true amount. When she tried to hand me the $2+ back in the form of a gift card (I never wanted a gift card, asked for a gift card, or bought a gift card) I let her know I would prefer to get cash for change instead. She calls her manager over and the manager tells me they can't cash it out and I'll have to just take the gift card with a $2-$3 balance. At this point I ask the manager if I can just cancel my order and get my $245 cash back. She tells me that is possible and that she just needs to make a call. After calling and cancelling the order, the manager finds that she still can't get the cash off of the gift card that I never bought. She makes a few more calls to the store manager and HR and comes to the conclusion that even though the order is cancelled it is impossible for them to give me any cash today, and that if I come back tomorrow they might have a better shot at giving me my cash back. I walk away dumbfounded that I just walked into a retail store, gave them cash, completed no sale, and leave with a gift card for $245 that I never wanted or even tried to buy, with no other options. My feeling is that there is no way this can be legal. How could a retailer as big as EXPRESS have policies that would allow this? Do I have any options or do I just keep going back trying to get cash for a gift card I never bought? | e5rvmb1 | e5rxde7 | 1,536,654,026 | 1,536,658,016 | 4 | 10 | Probably going to shit on for this but it was honestly likely a mistake on the cashier's part. When I worked for a different department store, to order something in store to be delivered it HAD to be on a card. Didn't matter if it was a credit card or gift card but HAD to be card. Express likely has a similar policy. The cashier SHOULD HAVE sold you a gift card for the exact total of the order and given you change based on that. They didn't. Cause they were dumb. Likely the STORE has no way to refund from gift cards to prevent fraud (buying a gift card with a stolen credit card, getting the money off of it and then the credit card doesn't pay the merchant). Call corporate and see what they can do. But honestly your best case scenario is likely getting the order and being able to keep the loaded the gift card. The cashier fucked up and while no, you shouldn't have to eat $3 for someone else's mistake, it was likely just that, a mistake. | Call the corporate office, and ask them to get this sorted out. | 0 | 3,990 | 2.5 |
9eujkp | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | (CA)I paid cash at an EXPRESS retail store and was told I can only receive my change in the form of a gift card... It gets worse. I went to EXPRESS today to buy dress shirts. Due to being 6'5" they didn't have my size in store but they told me they could deliver the correct size to my house. After giving them my info for delivery they give me the total of $242 and change. I give the lady $245 in cash. Apparently, in order for them to complete this trasaction they need to convert the cash into a gift card. She does this but she makes the gift card for the amount of $245 and not the true amount. When she tried to hand me the $2+ back in the form of a gift card (I never wanted a gift card, asked for a gift card, or bought a gift card) I let her know I would prefer to get cash for change instead. She calls her manager over and the manager tells me they can't cash it out and I'll have to just take the gift card with a $2-$3 balance. At this point I ask the manager if I can just cancel my order and get my $245 cash back. She tells me that is possible and that she just needs to make a call. After calling and cancelling the order, the manager finds that she still can't get the cash off of the gift card that I never bought. She makes a few more calls to the store manager and HR and comes to the conclusion that even though the order is cancelled it is impossible for them to give me any cash today, and that if I come back tomorrow they might have a better shot at giving me my cash back. I walk away dumbfounded that I just walked into a retail store, gave them cash, completed no sale, and leave with a gift card for $245 that I never wanted or even tried to buy, with no other options. My feeling is that there is no way this can be legal. How could a retailer as big as EXPRESS have policies that would allow this? Do I have any options or do I just keep going back trying to get cash for a gift card I never bought? | e5s4080 | e5rvmb1 | 1,536,669,159 | 1,536,654,026 | 9 | 4 | If it was me, I'de go in the next day, ask for $260 to cover my time and expenses of going back and forth and say that if you don't receive your money back immediately, that you'll be filing a police report and taking them to small claims. Also make sure to say you'll contact corporate cause clearly something shady is going on. You paid in cash and didn't even get your change.... any store has to give you back your change in cash, that's how businesses work. Imagine you went to Dave and Busters, just bought $16 of their currency with a $20, and they say they're going to give you your change in their currency.... no, cause then you just bought $20 worth. Not what you ordered. | Probably going to shit on for this but it was honestly likely a mistake on the cashier's part. When I worked for a different department store, to order something in store to be delivered it HAD to be on a card. Didn't matter if it was a credit card or gift card but HAD to be card. Express likely has a similar policy. The cashier SHOULD HAVE sold you a gift card for the exact total of the order and given you change based on that. They didn't. Cause they were dumb. Likely the STORE has no way to refund from gift cards to prevent fraud (buying a gift card with a stolen credit card, getting the money off of it and then the credit card doesn't pay the merchant). Call corporate and see what they can do. But honestly your best case scenario is likely getting the order and being able to keep the loaded the gift card. The cashier fucked up and while no, you shouldn't have to eat $3 for someone else's mistake, it was likely just that, a mistake. | 1 | 15,133 | 2.25 |
9eujkp | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | (CA)I paid cash at an EXPRESS retail store and was told I can only receive my change in the form of a gift card... It gets worse. I went to EXPRESS today to buy dress shirts. Due to being 6'5" they didn't have my size in store but they told me they could deliver the correct size to my house. After giving them my info for delivery they give me the total of $242 and change. I give the lady $245 in cash. Apparently, in order for them to complete this trasaction they need to convert the cash into a gift card. She does this but she makes the gift card for the amount of $245 and not the true amount. When she tried to hand me the $2+ back in the form of a gift card (I never wanted a gift card, asked for a gift card, or bought a gift card) I let her know I would prefer to get cash for change instead. She calls her manager over and the manager tells me they can't cash it out and I'll have to just take the gift card with a $2-$3 balance. At this point I ask the manager if I can just cancel my order and get my $245 cash back. She tells me that is possible and that she just needs to make a call. After calling and cancelling the order, the manager finds that she still can't get the cash off of the gift card that I never bought. She makes a few more calls to the store manager and HR and comes to the conclusion that even though the order is cancelled it is impossible for them to give me any cash today, and that if I come back tomorrow they might have a better shot at giving me my cash back. I walk away dumbfounded that I just walked into a retail store, gave them cash, completed no sale, and leave with a gift card for $245 that I never wanted or even tried to buy, with no other options. My feeling is that there is no way this can be legal. How could a retailer as big as EXPRESS have policies that would allow this? Do I have any options or do I just keep going back trying to get cash for a gift card I never bought? | e5rz8dk | e5s4080 | 1,536,661,966 | 1,536,669,159 | 6 | 9 | not legal advice, but even if they fix it and do a gift card for the exact amount, you would still wind up with a gift card and no way to cash it out if you wind up returning anything | If it was me, I'de go in the next day, ask for $260 to cover my time and expenses of going back and forth and say that if you don't receive your money back immediately, that you'll be filing a police report and taking them to small claims. Also make sure to say you'll contact corporate cause clearly something shady is going on. You paid in cash and didn't even get your change.... any store has to give you back your change in cash, that's how businesses work. Imagine you went to Dave and Busters, just bought $16 of their currency with a $20, and they say they're going to give you your change in their currency.... no, cause then you just bought $20 worth. Not what you ordered. | 0 | 7,193 | 1.5 |
9eujkp | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | (CA)I paid cash at an EXPRESS retail store and was told I can only receive my change in the form of a gift card... It gets worse. I went to EXPRESS today to buy dress shirts. Due to being 6'5" they didn't have my size in store but they told me they could deliver the correct size to my house. After giving them my info for delivery they give me the total of $242 and change. I give the lady $245 in cash. Apparently, in order for them to complete this trasaction they need to convert the cash into a gift card. She does this but she makes the gift card for the amount of $245 and not the true amount. When she tried to hand me the $2+ back in the form of a gift card (I never wanted a gift card, asked for a gift card, or bought a gift card) I let her know I would prefer to get cash for change instead. She calls her manager over and the manager tells me they can't cash it out and I'll have to just take the gift card with a $2-$3 balance. At this point I ask the manager if I can just cancel my order and get my $245 cash back. She tells me that is possible and that she just needs to make a call. After calling and cancelling the order, the manager finds that she still can't get the cash off of the gift card that I never bought. She makes a few more calls to the store manager and HR and comes to the conclusion that even though the order is cancelled it is impossible for them to give me any cash today, and that if I come back tomorrow they might have a better shot at giving me my cash back. I walk away dumbfounded that I just walked into a retail store, gave them cash, completed no sale, and leave with a gift card for $245 that I never wanted or even tried to buy, with no other options. My feeling is that there is no way this can be legal. How could a retailer as big as EXPRESS have policies that would allow this? Do I have any options or do I just keep going back trying to get cash for a gift card I never bought? | e5rvmb1 | e5rz8dk | 1,536,654,026 | 1,536,661,966 | 4 | 6 | Probably going to shit on for this but it was honestly likely a mistake on the cashier's part. When I worked for a different department store, to order something in store to be delivered it HAD to be on a card. Didn't matter if it was a credit card or gift card but HAD to be card. Express likely has a similar policy. The cashier SHOULD HAVE sold you a gift card for the exact total of the order and given you change based on that. They didn't. Cause they were dumb. Likely the STORE has no way to refund from gift cards to prevent fraud (buying a gift card with a stolen credit card, getting the money off of it and then the credit card doesn't pay the merchant). Call corporate and see what they can do. But honestly your best case scenario is likely getting the order and being able to keep the loaded the gift card. The cashier fucked up and while no, you shouldn't have to eat $3 for someone else's mistake, it was likely just that, a mistake. | not legal advice, but even if they fix it and do a gift card for the exact amount, you would still wind up with a gift card and no way to cash it out if you wind up returning anything | 0 | 7,940 | 1.5 |
sf17fx | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Found my pistol in my house 4 months after I reported it stolen. Thought my pistol was stolen, come to find out I had family visit in 2019 and dismantled and hid my pistol very well and forgot about it. So is it as easy as calling the same agency and saying “oops silly me, my pistol wasn’t stolen” and getting it off any federal lists? | hun70t4 | hunixqd | 1,643,408,897 | 1,643,413,824 | 250 | 559 | Surely they will just tell you that it is much better this way, than it being gone for real and noticing it only after 4 months or longer. | Just your local police and tell them you found it. They will send an officer over to read the serial number and then they will remove it from the system as stolen | 0 | 4,927 | 2.236 |
sf17fx | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Found my pistol in my house 4 months after I reported it stolen. Thought my pistol was stolen, come to find out I had family visit in 2019 and dismantled and hid my pistol very well and forgot about it. So is it as easy as calling the same agency and saying “oops silly me, my pistol wasn’t stolen” and getting it off any federal lists? | hupqqv7 | hupoax1 | 1,643,461,184 | 1,643,459,593 | 33 | 12 | Yeah, all you need to do is call the police nonemergency number and they will remove it from the list after verifying it is the one that was reported by sending someone over. Or you could bring it by in person to the police station and do it there. You might get a weird look if you tell them the story, but they won’t really care. It’s not like you’re going to get in trouble. | Do you lock it away in a safe? | 1 | 1,591 | 2.75 |
sf17fx | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Found my pistol in my house 4 months after I reported it stolen. Thought my pistol was stolen, come to find out I had family visit in 2019 and dismantled and hid my pistol very well and forgot about it. So is it as easy as calling the same agency and saying “oops silly me, my pistol wasn’t stolen” and getting it off any federal lists? | huqzfo9 | huqtgkp | 1,643,481,143 | 1,643,478,747 | 23 | 16 | I borrowed a pistol to an ex once and she got robbed and it was stolen. By some stroke of luck they caught the people and recovered it. One day it occurred to me that it could still be on the stolen list and that I could get in trouble as it was my small “carry” pistol. I wasn’t the person who reported it stolen either. I asked a cop that I went to high school with to check and thankfully it was clear. Absolutely valid concern OP. Just call and straighten it out. It might take some of your time but you won’t get in trouble. Better than having to explain a much worse situation later. | I suggest sending your report by email. Pics and ownership documentation along with your statement of what happened. Don't invite them to your home if their physical presence is not needed. Let them decide if they need to meet in person. Then you offer to come to station or meet somewhere. They may come to your home and feel entitled to start fishing around for something else. I rarely deal with them in person unless it's absolutely necessary. Even though we have rights, they're trained to always look for wrongs. | 1 | 2,396 | 1.4375 |
sf17fx | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Found my pistol in my house 4 months after I reported it stolen. Thought my pistol was stolen, come to find out I had family visit in 2019 and dismantled and hid my pistol very well and forgot about it. So is it as easy as calling the same agency and saying “oops silly me, my pistol wasn’t stolen” and getting it off any federal lists? | hupoax1 | huqzfo9 | 1,643,459,593 | 1,643,481,143 | 12 | 23 | Do you lock it away in a safe? | I borrowed a pistol to an ex once and she got robbed and it was stolen. By some stroke of luck they caught the people and recovered it. One day it occurred to me that it could still be on the stolen list and that I could get in trouble as it was my small “carry” pistol. I wasn’t the person who reported it stolen either. I asked a cop that I went to high school with to check and thankfully it was clear. Absolutely valid concern OP. Just call and straighten it out. It might take some of your time but you won’t get in trouble. Better than having to explain a much worse situation later. | 0 | 21,550 | 1.916667 |
sf17fx | legaladvice_train | 0.96 | Found my pistol in my house 4 months after I reported it stolen. Thought my pistol was stolen, come to find out I had family visit in 2019 and dismantled and hid my pistol very well and forgot about it. So is it as easy as calling the same agency and saying “oops silly me, my pistol wasn’t stolen” and getting it off any federal lists? | huqtgkp | hupoax1 | 1,643,478,747 | 1,643,459,593 | 16 | 12 | I suggest sending your report by email. Pics and ownership documentation along with your statement of what happened. Don't invite them to your home if their physical presence is not needed. Let them decide if they need to meet in person. Then you offer to come to station or meet somewhere. They may come to your home and feel entitled to start fishing around for something else. I rarely deal with them in person unless it's absolutely necessary. Even though we have rights, they're trained to always look for wrongs. | Do you lock it away in a safe? | 1 | 19,154 | 1.333333 |
3ltzto | legaladvice_train | 0.9 | Just moved into our [Boston] condo, neighbor wants my parking spot We just purchased our first home, it is a converted home- now 2 units located in Boston, MA. As we were moving stuff into our condo we parked a moving van in the deeded parking spot associated with our unit. The our upstairs neighbor arrived home while we were moving and gave me an earful saying that we were in her spot. I questioned her on how it was her spot and she simply explained that although it is not in the deed, she has always parked there and considers it hers. We certainly don't want to get things off on the wrong foot with our new neighbor (especially considering she has majority stake in the building), but I am worried about running into future issues regarding the parking spot. Should I be worried? How much power can she wield having majority stake in the building? We were really hoping to avoid any sort of conflict with our new neighbors. | cv9a0n7 | cv997vk | 1,442,860,395 | 1,442,859,178 | 71 | 54 | >We were really hoping to avoid any sort of conflict with our new neighbors. If she is going to start a conflict with you over you parking in the spot you own, you can't really avoid conflict. Make it clear to her it is your spot and you will call a tow truck if anyone other than you or your guests park in the spot. If it becomes an issue you can also go to your Condo board and ask that they take some action against her. | She always knew this day would come. She loses the spot. | 1 | 1,217 | 1.314815 |
3ltzto | legaladvice_train | 0.9 | Just moved into our [Boston] condo, neighbor wants my parking spot We just purchased our first home, it is a converted home- now 2 units located in Boston, MA. As we were moving stuff into our condo we parked a moving van in the deeded parking spot associated with our unit. The our upstairs neighbor arrived home while we were moving and gave me an earful saying that we were in her spot. I questioned her on how it was her spot and she simply explained that although it is not in the deed, she has always parked there and considers it hers. We certainly don't want to get things off on the wrong foot with our new neighbor (especially considering she has majority stake in the building), but I am worried about running into future issues regarding the parking spot. Should I be worried? How much power can she wield having majority stake in the building? We were really hoping to avoid any sort of conflict with our new neighbors. | cv9dm9q | cv9c8qn | 1,442,865,810 | 1,442,863,753 | 20 | 8 | Boston you say? Do you have a car personally that you'd like to use there? If not, rent it to her for $145/mo | So you have 1 spot? I am guessing the previous person didn't have a car. Like everyone else said you can't avoid conflict here if she is going to put up a stink about it. You can play kind of dumb and show her your deed with the spot attached. Maybe there is another spot and its a mix up? | 1 | 2,057 | 2.5 |
3ltzto | legaladvice_train | 0.9 | Just moved into our [Boston] condo, neighbor wants my parking spot We just purchased our first home, it is a converted home- now 2 units located in Boston, MA. As we were moving stuff into our condo we parked a moving van in the deeded parking spot associated with our unit. The our upstairs neighbor arrived home while we were moving and gave me an earful saying that we were in her spot. I questioned her on how it was her spot and she simply explained that although it is not in the deed, she has always parked there and considers it hers. We certainly don't want to get things off on the wrong foot with our new neighbor (especially considering she has majority stake in the building), but I am worried about running into future issues regarding the parking spot. Should I be worried? How much power can she wield having majority stake in the building? We were really hoping to avoid any sort of conflict with our new neighbors. | cv9c8qn | cv9fcgb | 1,442,863,753 | 1,442,868,421 | 8 | 16 | So you have 1 spot? I am guessing the previous person didn't have a car. Like everyone else said you can't avoid conflict here if she is going to put up a stink about it. You can play kind of dumb and show her your deed with the spot attached. Maybe there is another spot and its a mix up? | If it's deeded to you, then it's your property. You'll need a starred user, or to find a local lawyer familiar with such matters, to find out if she can even legally seize it. | 0 | 4,668 | 2 |
3ltzto | legaladvice_train | 0.9 | Just moved into our [Boston] condo, neighbor wants my parking spot We just purchased our first home, it is a converted home- now 2 units located in Boston, MA. As we were moving stuff into our condo we parked a moving van in the deeded parking spot associated with our unit. The our upstairs neighbor arrived home while we were moving and gave me an earful saying that we were in her spot. I questioned her on how it was her spot and she simply explained that although it is not in the deed, she has always parked there and considers it hers. We certainly don't want to get things off on the wrong foot with our new neighbor (especially considering she has majority stake in the building), but I am worried about running into future issues regarding the parking spot. Should I be worried? How much power can she wield having majority stake in the building? We were really hoping to avoid any sort of conflict with our new neighbors. | cv9r8hm | cva14ly | 1,442,888,095 | 1,442,916,412 | 6 | 8 | Remember how it snowed 100 inches last year in Boston? The worse spot may have been very difficult to use during that period. I bet you have to shovel way more snow to make that spot usable. | Consult an attorney asap, as this could be considered adverse possession by the neighbor. If the prior owner allowed this, the neighbor’s actions weren’t “hostile” but it was more a license to use the parking. But if you don’t want it, and allow it anyway, it could be “hostile use” for adverse possession. You need a real property attorney for your State, County, City (in case you have local laws, since this seems to be a problem in your area). Take copies of all documents (your deed, their deed--often can get copies at hall of records/whatever it is in your area). You might want to do a bit of research on the topic and the applicable law, to familiarize yourself with the subject. | 0 | 28,317 | 1.333333 |
vwrb0a | legaladvice_train | 0.92 | A tenant moved into our condo and the rules have changed since purchasing, and now no dogs are allowed. My mom purchased a condo in Queens (NY), and upon purchase this building was pet friendly. However, the building has changed property management companies, and apparently the rules have changed since. We allowed a tenant to move in last week, signing a one year lease knowing she has an emotional support dog with medical documentation, thinking this would be fine. The board of the building is now threatening to fine us 500$ per month because the building has a no animal policy. I spoke to the property manager and he doubted the validity of an emotional support animal, and also said it was on us to figure out if rules have changed (I know we should have done our due diligence now). Is there anything we can do to not be fined 500$ a month? I have sent him nyc policies on disability discrimination but he says it doesn’t matter. We will not be raising our tenant’s rent, but this will mean an extra 6,000$ in expenses that we really can’t afford due to a recent medical situation. | ifru4zo | ifs4gdx | 1,657,573,741 | 1,657,577,809 | 38 | 87 | If they have medical documentation for the ESA I don’t believe they can fine you under the FHA. | In condos I’ve lived in, a major bylaw such as pets can’t be changed by a property management company. It would require a vote of the owners. Are you sure the change to no pets was made legally according to the condo docs? | 0 | 4,068 | 2.289474 |
vwrb0a | legaladvice_train | 0.92 | A tenant moved into our condo and the rules have changed since purchasing, and now no dogs are allowed. My mom purchased a condo in Queens (NY), and upon purchase this building was pet friendly. However, the building has changed property management companies, and apparently the rules have changed since. We allowed a tenant to move in last week, signing a one year lease knowing she has an emotional support dog with medical documentation, thinking this would be fine. The board of the building is now threatening to fine us 500$ per month because the building has a no animal policy. I spoke to the property manager and he doubted the validity of an emotional support animal, and also said it was on us to figure out if rules have changed (I know we should have done our due diligence now). Is there anything we can do to not be fined 500$ a month? I have sent him nyc policies on disability discrimination but he says it doesn’t matter. We will not be raising our tenant’s rent, but this will mean an extra 6,000$ in expenses that we really can’t afford due to a recent medical situation. | ifsb5ep | ifru4zo | 1,657,580,624 | 1,657,573,741 | 49 | 38 | Fair housing laws are super clear about this, and, assuming that the medical documentation she sent you passes the smell test, what this guy is telling you is bunk. Barring exceptional situations, you have to accommodate this person and the HOA has to accommodate this person. I would be super clear with the HOA that the animal must be accommodated, and I'd send them this link to the federal HUD guidelines on assistance animals. Let them know that you expect to have any fines removed, and you consider the matter closed. If they try to push it further, you'll be contacting the NY Attorney General's Office to file a complaint. | If they have medical documentation for the ESA I don’t believe they can fine you under the FHA. | 1 | 6,883 | 1.289474 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw9l6jw | iw8yxep | 1,668,384,252 | 1,668,374,829 | 101 | 98 | In Illinois, a condo owner generally cannot do anything with their property that would interfere with the enjoyment of the property of the other condo owners. Blocking the light/view to your condo would fall under this. The neighbor needs board approval before they would be able to renovate. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the design of a second-floor deck too. Would it be a balcony or a structure supported with pillars that extend over your existing yard? Either way, it sounds like it would significantly change the outside appearance of the building, which affects all the other condo owners as well. Say no and keep saying no-and get the request and your no in writing if possible. If they don't accept your no, get your lawyer to say your nos for you. | If the plan is to sell the condo and split the proceeds with the estate you might just tell the neighbor he needs to take it up with the future owner. That might eliminate the need to argue about it. You aren't saying yes but you're not saying no. You're saying just wait a month or three while we sell and figure it out then. | 1 | 9,423 | 1.030612 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw82yai | iw9l6jw | 1,668,362,774 | 1,668,384,252 | 96 | 101 | What is the HOA President's stance on this? Usually the HOA would shut this down far before it came to you. Are there other units with this type of patio? Have you looked through the CC&R? It really surprises me that the president called you to ask; your condo community is far different than any I've ever been in. Condo associations usually have very specific rules for anything on the outside of the building, right down to the color of your window trim and blinds, just because they want them all to look the same. And typically anything on the outside of condo is part of the association, not the owner. A patio would be a non-starter in any association I've ever been in. Unfortunately, blocking your light isn't a legal issue. You don't have a "right to light". You'd need to fight this against what's in the CC&R and on your title. | In Illinois, a condo owner generally cannot do anything with their property that would interfere with the enjoyment of the property of the other condo owners. Blocking the light/view to your condo would fall under this. The neighbor needs board approval before they would be able to renovate. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the design of a second-floor deck too. Would it be a balcony or a structure supported with pillars that extend over your existing yard? Either way, it sounds like it would significantly change the outside appearance of the building, which affects all the other condo owners as well. Say no and keep saying no-and get the request and your no in writing if possible. If they don't accept your no, get your lawyer to say your nos for you. | 0 | 21,478 | 1.052083 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8vku4 | iw9l6jw | 1,668,373,563 | 1,668,384,252 | 49 | 101 | Lawyer here. Not from Illinois. Although the condo bylaws could trump the basic law, the general rule is that you have an easement for light and air. They cannot impair that easement. Which means they cant build the deck on the facts as you have described them. However real estate law, and condo law, is highly location specific. You will need to go over the bylaws and your deed and local law, with a local attorney. But barring something unexpected, i beleve you will be able to prevent this. Do not do or say anything that sounds like consent. Hire a lawyer without delay. | In Illinois, a condo owner generally cannot do anything with their property that would interfere with the enjoyment of the property of the other condo owners. Blocking the light/view to your condo would fall under this. The neighbor needs board approval before they would be able to renovate. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the design of a second-floor deck too. Would it be a balcony or a structure supported with pillars that extend over your existing yard? Either way, it sounds like it would significantly change the outside appearance of the building, which affects all the other condo owners as well. Say no and keep saying no-and get the request and your no in writing if possible. If they don't accept your no, get your lawyer to say your nos for you. | 0 | 10,689 | 2.061224 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8rog2 | iw9l6jw | 1,668,372,086 | 1,668,384,252 | 25 | 101 | You've gotten a lot of good advice, I agree you need an attorney. Also your opinion that it may lower your value, isn't going to be worth much, you need a real estate appraiser to agree with you. One POSSIBLE thing to consider, since it's a small association - would it be possible to construct a deck in a way that your view and natural light is not obstructed, but make it a common element everyone in the complex can use? Like build a roof deck perhaps? | In Illinois, a condo owner generally cannot do anything with their property that would interfere with the enjoyment of the property of the other condo owners. Blocking the light/view to your condo would fall under this. The neighbor needs board approval before they would be able to renovate. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the design of a second-floor deck too. Would it be a balcony or a structure supported with pillars that extend over your existing yard? Either way, it sounds like it would significantly change the outside appearance of the building, which affects all the other condo owners as well. Say no and keep saying no-and get the request and your no in writing if possible. If they don't accept your no, get your lawyer to say your nos for you. | 0 | 12,166 | 4.04 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8i7nb | iw9l6jw | 1,668,368,575 | 1,668,384,252 | 12 | 101 | If they are reaching out to you, they may be willing to pay for the devaluation. If you don’t plan on living there, it could be worth it. Unlikely, but possible. | In Illinois, a condo owner generally cannot do anything with their property that would interfere with the enjoyment of the property of the other condo owners. Blocking the light/view to your condo would fall under this. The neighbor needs board approval before they would be able to renovate. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the design of a second-floor deck too. Would it be a balcony or a structure supported with pillars that extend over your existing yard? Either way, it sounds like it would significantly change the outside appearance of the building, which affects all the other condo owners as well. Say no and keep saying no-and get the request and your no in writing if possible. If they don't accept your no, get your lawyer to say your nos for you. | 0 | 15,677 | 8.416667 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8kdte | iw9l6jw | 1,668,369,368 | 1,668,384,252 | 7 | 101 | Basically you need to say no. If there is a meeting give your reasons for saying no. If it looks like they will try to do it over your objections then a real estate are lawyer would be a good idea. | In Illinois, a condo owner generally cannot do anything with their property that would interfere with the enjoyment of the property of the other condo owners. Blocking the light/view to your condo would fall under this. The neighbor needs board approval before they would be able to renovate. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the design of a second-floor deck too. Would it be a balcony or a structure supported with pillars that extend over your existing yard? Either way, it sounds like it would significantly change the outside appearance of the building, which affects all the other condo owners as well. Say no and keep saying no-and get the request and your no in writing if possible. If they don't accept your no, get your lawyer to say your nos for you. | 0 | 14,884 | 14.428571 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw9l6jw | iw9jniq | 1,668,384,252 | 1,668,383,562 | 101 | 6 | In Illinois, a condo owner generally cannot do anything with their property that would interfere with the enjoyment of the property of the other condo owners. Blocking the light/view to your condo would fall under this. The neighbor needs board approval before they would be able to renovate. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the design of a second-floor deck too. Would it be a balcony or a structure supported with pillars that extend over your existing yard? Either way, it sounds like it would significantly change the outside appearance of the building, which affects all the other condo owners as well. Say no and keep saying no-and get the request and your no in writing if possible. If they don't accept your no, get your lawyer to say your nos for you. | Say no it’s not acceptable to you. But you plan to sell it soon and they can negotiate with the new owner. | 1 | 690 | 16.833333 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8yxep | iw82yai | 1,668,374,829 | 1,668,362,774 | 98 | 96 | If the plan is to sell the condo and split the proceeds with the estate you might just tell the neighbor he needs to take it up with the future owner. That might eliminate the need to argue about it. You aren't saying yes but you're not saying no. You're saying just wait a month or three while we sell and figure it out then. | What is the HOA President's stance on this? Usually the HOA would shut this down far before it came to you. Are there other units with this type of patio? Have you looked through the CC&R? It really surprises me that the president called you to ask; your condo community is far different than any I've ever been in. Condo associations usually have very specific rules for anything on the outside of the building, right down to the color of your window trim and blinds, just because they want them all to look the same. And typically anything on the outside of condo is part of the association, not the owner. A patio would be a non-starter in any association I've ever been in. Unfortunately, blocking your light isn't a legal issue. You don't have a "right to light". You'd need to fight this against what's in the CC&R and on your title. | 1 | 12,055 | 1.020833 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8yxep | iw8vku4 | 1,668,374,829 | 1,668,373,563 | 98 | 49 | If the plan is to sell the condo and split the proceeds with the estate you might just tell the neighbor he needs to take it up with the future owner. That might eliminate the need to argue about it. You aren't saying yes but you're not saying no. You're saying just wait a month or three while we sell and figure it out then. | Lawyer here. Not from Illinois. Although the condo bylaws could trump the basic law, the general rule is that you have an easement for light and air. They cannot impair that easement. Which means they cant build the deck on the facts as you have described them. However real estate law, and condo law, is highly location specific. You will need to go over the bylaws and your deed and local law, with a local attorney. But barring something unexpected, i beleve you will be able to prevent this. Do not do or say anything that sounds like consent. Hire a lawyer without delay. | 1 | 1,266 | 2 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8yxep | iw8rog2 | 1,668,374,829 | 1,668,372,086 | 98 | 25 | If the plan is to sell the condo and split the proceeds with the estate you might just tell the neighbor he needs to take it up with the future owner. That might eliminate the need to argue about it. You aren't saying yes but you're not saying no. You're saying just wait a month or three while we sell and figure it out then. | You've gotten a lot of good advice, I agree you need an attorney. Also your opinion that it may lower your value, isn't going to be worth much, you need a real estate appraiser to agree with you. One POSSIBLE thing to consider, since it's a small association - would it be possible to construct a deck in a way that your view and natural light is not obstructed, but make it a common element everyone in the complex can use? Like build a roof deck perhaps? | 1 | 2,743 | 3.92 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8i7nb | iw8yxep | 1,668,368,575 | 1,668,374,829 | 12 | 98 | If they are reaching out to you, they may be willing to pay for the devaluation. If you don’t plan on living there, it could be worth it. Unlikely, but possible. | If the plan is to sell the condo and split the proceeds with the estate you might just tell the neighbor he needs to take it up with the future owner. That might eliminate the need to argue about it. You aren't saying yes but you're not saying no. You're saying just wait a month or three while we sell and figure it out then. | 0 | 6,254 | 8.166667 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8kdte | iw8yxep | 1,668,369,368 | 1,668,374,829 | 7 | 98 | Basically you need to say no. If there is a meeting give your reasons for saying no. If it looks like they will try to do it over your objections then a real estate are lawyer would be a good idea. | If the plan is to sell the condo and split the proceeds with the estate you might just tell the neighbor he needs to take it up with the future owner. That might eliminate the need to argue about it. You aren't saying yes but you're not saying no. You're saying just wait a month or three while we sell and figure it out then. | 0 | 5,461 | 14 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8rog2 | iw8vku4 | 1,668,372,086 | 1,668,373,563 | 25 | 49 | You've gotten a lot of good advice, I agree you need an attorney. Also your opinion that it may lower your value, isn't going to be worth much, you need a real estate appraiser to agree with you. One POSSIBLE thing to consider, since it's a small association - would it be possible to construct a deck in a way that your view and natural light is not obstructed, but make it a common element everyone in the complex can use? Like build a roof deck perhaps? | Lawyer here. Not from Illinois. Although the condo bylaws could trump the basic law, the general rule is that you have an easement for light and air. They cannot impair that easement. Which means they cant build the deck on the facts as you have described them. However real estate law, and condo law, is highly location specific. You will need to go over the bylaws and your deed and local law, with a local attorney. But barring something unexpected, i beleve you will be able to prevent this. Do not do or say anything that sounds like consent. Hire a lawyer without delay. | 0 | 1,477 | 1.96 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8i7nb | iw8vku4 | 1,668,368,575 | 1,668,373,563 | 12 | 49 | If they are reaching out to you, they may be willing to pay for the devaluation. If you don’t plan on living there, it could be worth it. Unlikely, but possible. | Lawyer here. Not from Illinois. Although the condo bylaws could trump the basic law, the general rule is that you have an easement for light and air. They cannot impair that easement. Which means they cant build the deck on the facts as you have described them. However real estate law, and condo law, is highly location specific. You will need to go over the bylaws and your deed and local law, with a local attorney. But barring something unexpected, i beleve you will be able to prevent this. Do not do or say anything that sounds like consent. Hire a lawyer without delay. | 0 | 4,988 | 4.083333 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8vku4 | iw8kdte | 1,668,373,563 | 1,668,369,368 | 49 | 7 | Lawyer here. Not from Illinois. Although the condo bylaws could trump the basic law, the general rule is that you have an easement for light and air. They cannot impair that easement. Which means they cant build the deck on the facts as you have described them. However real estate law, and condo law, is highly location specific. You will need to go over the bylaws and your deed and local law, with a local attorney. But barring something unexpected, i beleve you will be able to prevent this. Do not do or say anything that sounds like consent. Hire a lawyer without delay. | Basically you need to say no. If there is a meeting give your reasons for saying no. If it looks like they will try to do it over your objections then a real estate are lawyer would be a good idea. | 1 | 4,195 | 7 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8i7nb | iw8rog2 | 1,668,368,575 | 1,668,372,086 | 12 | 25 | If they are reaching out to you, they may be willing to pay for the devaluation. If you don’t plan on living there, it could be worth it. Unlikely, but possible. | You've gotten a lot of good advice, I agree you need an attorney. Also your opinion that it may lower your value, isn't going to be worth much, you need a real estate appraiser to agree with you. One POSSIBLE thing to consider, since it's a small association - would it be possible to construct a deck in a way that your view and natural light is not obstructed, but make it a common element everyone in the complex can use? Like build a roof deck perhaps? | 0 | 3,511 | 2.083333 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8rog2 | iw8kdte | 1,668,372,086 | 1,668,369,368 | 25 | 7 | You've gotten a lot of good advice, I agree you need an attorney. Also your opinion that it may lower your value, isn't going to be worth much, you need a real estate appraiser to agree with you. One POSSIBLE thing to consider, since it's a small association - would it be possible to construct a deck in a way that your view and natural light is not obstructed, but make it a common element everyone in the complex can use? Like build a roof deck perhaps? | Basically you need to say no. If there is a meeting give your reasons for saying no. If it looks like they will try to do it over your objections then a real estate are lawyer would be a good idea. | 1 | 2,718 | 3.571429 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw9xqzi | iwa8gtr | 1,668,390,110 | 1,668,395,307 | 7 | 12 | Just say no. Your declarations likely require unanimous approval to do something that would modify the bedrock bylaws (the improvement would count, it would require a new survey). | Tell them they can build it, after they buy your unit for the current market value. | 0 | 5,197 | 1.714286 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw8kdte | iwa8gtr | 1,668,369,368 | 1,668,395,307 | 7 | 12 | Basically you need to say no. If there is a meeting give your reasons for saying no. If it looks like they will try to do it over your objections then a real estate are lawyer would be a good idea. | Tell them they can build it, after they buy your unit for the current market value. | 0 | 25,939 | 1.714286 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw9jniq | iwa8gtr | 1,668,383,562 | 1,668,395,307 | 6 | 12 | Say no it’s not acceptable to you. But you plan to sell it soon and they can negotiate with the new owner. | Tell them they can build it, after they buy your unit for the current market value. | 0 | 11,745 | 2 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iwa8gtr | iw9x04b | 1,668,395,307 | 1,668,389,751 | 12 | 6 | Tell them they can build it, after they buy your unit for the current market value. | Aside from talking to a real estate lawyer, they may be interested in buying it and turning theirs into a duplex. You'd get a quick sale, they'd get their deck and a second level. | 1 | 5,556 | 2 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw9jniq | iw9xqzi | 1,668,383,562 | 1,668,390,110 | 6 | 7 | Say no it’s not acceptable to you. But you plan to sell it soon and they can negotiate with the new owner. | Just say no. Your declarations likely require unanimous approval to do something that would modify the bedrock bylaws (the improvement would count, it would require a new survey). | 0 | 6,548 | 1.166667 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iw9x04b | iw9xqzi | 1,668,389,751 | 1,668,390,110 | 6 | 7 | Aside from talking to a real estate lawyer, they may be interested in buying it and turning theirs into a duplex. You'd get a quick sale, they'd get their deck and a second level. | Just say no. Your declarations likely require unanimous approval to do something that would modify the bedrock bylaws (the improvement would count, it would require a new survey). | 0 | 359 | 1.166667 |
yu87yy | legaladvice_train | 0.97 | Upstairs Neighbor wants to build a deck over my Condo -Illinois I along with my siblings just inherited a condo. (Uncle passed away tragically 3 months ago). We basically just got the place in order to potentially list for sale and the condo president texts me—the guy above me wants to put a deck over one side. This would completely block all the light going into the condo now. It would lower the value in my opinion. He was just asking if it was ok if he gave this guy on the 2nd floor my number to discuss (hasn’t happened yet). Anyway, what is the best course of action to squash this. Doesn’t condo property end at the wall? I’m already prepared to go to the next board meeting In January. Also this is only a 6 unit building. There are no other upstairs decks. There is a deck for our unit that leads to yard. I requested bylaws, rules and regs, etc This is in Chicago, Illinois. | iwa8z3d | iwbog26 | 1,668,395,565 | 1,668,432,402 | 5 | 6 | You could ask that your neighbor to construct his “deck” in a manner that would provide a weather-proof roof for you and create a new sun room for your condo. Then extend a new deck from the sunroom. That would increase your property value and give him his deck. | Talk to the neighbor. He very likely can't build it without your permission. Tell him you're not going to give him permission if he tries you're going to fight it tooth and nail. | 0 | 36,837 | 1.2 |
6rdnyl | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | [Florida] Condo neighbors contractor caused damage to my unit during repairs. Repairs are lengthy and unit is not livable during them, and landlord wants to break lease during it and have us just move out. What are my options? My neighbors contractor flooded their unit, which in turn caused damage to my units kitchen and carpet. I called his insurance company about their procedures and my reimbursement for moving expenses and he says they're a liability company who reimburses the owner after they submit an estimate. I take this to my landlord, and now his representative wants us to either continue paying rent while we stay in the unrepaired unit, or move all our belongings out while they do repairs without reimbursing us for moving fees or hotel charges. I had told her if they wanted to break the lease 7 months early, they'd have to give us our deposit and last months rent back (which was paid at the beginning of the lease), and allow us to stay for the month of August rent free while we searched for another home. She countered with a hard no, and said we can continue to pay rent on the damaged unit until we leave, at which point they'll refund our deposit and last month if required, or she will call the state to have the unit condemned then lock the doors and have us escorted to gather our belongings and exit the property...sans our deposit of course. My question is, what are my options here? I'm dumb and don't have renters insurance, and believe me I'll never make that mistake again. My realtor who is a family friend recommended I go to small claims court and make my case, and they'll side with me considering the situation. I tried to be cordial with my landlords rep, but she devolved into insults and that was quite frankly the straw that broke the camel's back. I don't want to get taken advantage of here, especially for doing nothing except having the misfortune of living in the unit next to the one where the problem originated. The unit isn't unlivable, but the condition of the kitchen cabinets and carpet is beyond repairs; should I be paying rent during a time when the apartment isn't in a state that was agreed upon during the lease? Do i have recourse in seeking reimbursement or even straight payment for my moving expenses? And what abkut the lease...can my landlord just decide to condemn the place even if it truly isnt condemned and unlivable just to have a reason to break the lease? Can I get some advice? Thank you so much reddit, it's very much appreciated. | dl4kc3e | dl47o7r | 1,501,792,107 | 1,501,779,349 | 28 | 2 | You will probably need to provide your city as habitability is going to come down to local building, housing, and health codes. More details on what is wrong with the kitchen may help as well (will you be without a fridge, water, oven, is there mold, floor collapsed, etc). How long has this been going on? How long are the repairs going to take? If it's just carpet and cabinet damage and is being fixed in a timely fashion I don't think you have any recourse. If they are able to have the city condemn the unit then I don't see how it would be habitable, but is probably just a bluff. Did they mention this after you started saying it's unlivable? You should be cautious when talking with your LL and anyone else. Stating it's unlivable and then changing your mind when that's not beneficial to you will not help you make your point. Think of it like you own the unit - would you be moving into a hotel? | Please review the Landlord Tenant Questions section of the /r/LegalAdvice Wiki for common questions and answers regarding landlord tenant issues. If this does not apply to your question, please disregard *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/legaladvice) if you have any questions or concerns.* | 1 | 12,758 | 14 |
6rdnyl | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | [Florida] Condo neighbors contractor caused damage to my unit during repairs. Repairs are lengthy and unit is not livable during them, and landlord wants to break lease during it and have us just move out. What are my options? My neighbors contractor flooded their unit, which in turn caused damage to my units kitchen and carpet. I called his insurance company about their procedures and my reimbursement for moving expenses and he says they're a liability company who reimburses the owner after they submit an estimate. I take this to my landlord, and now his representative wants us to either continue paying rent while we stay in the unrepaired unit, or move all our belongings out while they do repairs without reimbursing us for moving fees or hotel charges. I had told her if they wanted to break the lease 7 months early, they'd have to give us our deposit and last months rent back (which was paid at the beginning of the lease), and allow us to stay for the month of August rent free while we searched for another home. She countered with a hard no, and said we can continue to pay rent on the damaged unit until we leave, at which point they'll refund our deposit and last month if required, or she will call the state to have the unit condemned then lock the doors and have us escorted to gather our belongings and exit the property...sans our deposit of course. My question is, what are my options here? I'm dumb and don't have renters insurance, and believe me I'll never make that mistake again. My realtor who is a family friend recommended I go to small claims court and make my case, and they'll side with me considering the situation. I tried to be cordial with my landlords rep, but she devolved into insults and that was quite frankly the straw that broke the camel's back. I don't want to get taken advantage of here, especially for doing nothing except having the misfortune of living in the unit next to the one where the problem originated. The unit isn't unlivable, but the condition of the kitchen cabinets and carpet is beyond repairs; should I be paying rent during a time when the apartment isn't in a state that was agreed upon during the lease? Do i have recourse in seeking reimbursement or even straight payment for my moving expenses? And what abkut the lease...can my landlord just decide to condemn the place even if it truly isnt condemned and unlivable just to have a reason to break the lease? Can I get some advice? Thank you so much reddit, it's very much appreciated. | dl47o7r | dl4u881 | 1,501,779,349 | 1,501,802,939 | 2 | 3 | Please review the Landlord Tenant Questions section of the /r/LegalAdvice Wiki for common questions and answers regarding landlord tenant issues. If this does not apply to your question, please disregard *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/legaladvice) if you have any questions or concerns.* | The following links could be helpful. Habitability is not an easy thing to determine. Ultimately, it could be up to a judge. You could contact your local city departments and/or a local lawyer and talk to them. http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0000-0099/0083/Sections/0083.56.html http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0000-0099/0083/Sections/0083.51.html http://www.coralsprings.org/government/other-departments-and-services/code-compliance/landlord-registration https://library.municode.com/fl/coral_springs/codes/land_development_code?nodeId=CH11MIHOCO | 0 | 23,590 | 1.5 |
kr1cxf | legaladvice_train | 0.84 | [Canada] Crazy next-door neighbor who just moved in called the cops on me twice for no reason...they came banging on my door in the middle of the night, and shining a light into my house. Been living here for 6 years and never had a problem with my neighbors. The occasional disagreement now and then, but nothing serious. However, 3 months ago they sold the house and the new neighbor has caused many confrontations while trying to make it seem like my fault. 1) they placed an open envelope with a book of fake cheques in my mail, hoping i would "return" it to them...but opening someone else's mail is a felony, and given what has happened since, i am 100% sure this was an attempted setup 2) parking in our driveway...we have a private driveway, and they've parked multiple times in it, and in front of it blocking access...asked them to stop and they replied "that's cool" 3) after they called the cops on me, they installed security cameras...i know you might think i did something but i really don't have any idea what is their problem, so i started recording them and she freaked out telling me it's illegal to record her a d she called the cops (i have this on recording). Due to that false 911 call, the cops came to my house *again*. All i did is record her while she installed security cameras as i wanted proof they weren't there before and it was her who put them up. So she has tried setting me up for a felony, she's made 2 false reports to police and she also harasses me when i go outside to do housework. What do i do? Oh yeah another thing is i have her on record saying that my landlord told her my name...here it is illegal for landlords to give personal information of tenants. | gi70t7z | gi72lus | 1,609,865,229 | 1,609,866,048 | 2 | 47 | I am not a lawyer ...That sounds very unpleasant, and I'm sorry you're dealing with that. Have you tried contacting your local housing authority? If this person is a renter too you may be able to get some help from a tenants rights group. Hopefully someone who knows more will respond, I'm afraid that your only recourse might be moving. | Keep track of the harrassment and get the file numbers for the police reports for the times they where called then file a PEACE ORDER, the peace order is like a "restraining order" but the police can legally enforce a peace order (messed up right?). Im also from canada and i know people who have used peace orders it helps. | 0 | 819 | 23.5 |
kr1cxf | legaladvice_train | 0.84 | [Canada] Crazy next-door neighbor who just moved in called the cops on me twice for no reason...they came banging on my door in the middle of the night, and shining a light into my house. Been living here for 6 years and never had a problem with my neighbors. The occasional disagreement now and then, but nothing serious. However, 3 months ago they sold the house and the new neighbor has caused many confrontations while trying to make it seem like my fault. 1) they placed an open envelope with a book of fake cheques in my mail, hoping i would "return" it to them...but opening someone else's mail is a felony, and given what has happened since, i am 100% sure this was an attempted setup 2) parking in our driveway...we have a private driveway, and they've parked multiple times in it, and in front of it blocking access...asked them to stop and they replied "that's cool" 3) after they called the cops on me, they installed security cameras...i know you might think i did something but i really don't have any idea what is their problem, so i started recording them and she freaked out telling me it's illegal to record her a d she called the cops (i have this on recording). Due to that false 911 call, the cops came to my house *again*. All i did is record her while she installed security cameras as i wanted proof they weren't there before and it was her who put them up. So she has tried setting me up for a felony, she's made 2 false reports to police and she also harasses me when i go outside to do housework. What do i do? Oh yeah another thing is i have her on record saying that my landlord told her my name...here it is illegal for landlords to give personal information of tenants. | gi70t7z | gi8gsw9 | 1,609,865,229 | 1,609,886,351 | 2 | 16 | I am not a lawyer ...That sounds very unpleasant, and I'm sorry you're dealing with that. Have you tried contacting your local housing authority? If this person is a renter too you may be able to get some help from a tenants rights group. Hopefully someone who knows more will respond, I'm afraid that your only recourse might be moving. | 1. If they do this again, you write return to sender on the envelope and leave it back in the mailbox. Disposing of mail that isn't yours is also a felony. Just write "Return to Sender" and place it back in the mailbox. Eventually the post office will come after them because they are committing mail fraud (mailbox is property of the postal service and they are tampering with it). They're also dumb enough to have their name and information on the checks. 2. If its truly your driveway you can call a tow service and have them removed from your property without need of law enforcement, the bill will be sent to them because its their car. They will also have fun paying for the storage fees. It wont happen again after that. 3. Install cameras of your own, many can be installed that are wireless and wont cause damage to the rental property, but I would still ask your current landlord and explain your current situation and why you feel its necessary. Your own cameras will help refute the claims of your neighbor. | 0 | 21,122 | 8 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0k3kii | f0k2zwt | 1,568,669,441 | 1,568,669,035 | 3,860 | 985 | Ask them whose license they were practicing "exposure therapy" under and for a copy of that person's license and liability insurance. | A lawyer might be able to get her back into school but that wouldn't likely be a quick thing. If you've already been to the principal, I think your next move should be escalating this to the school superintendent - and if you don't get anywhere with the superintendent, take it to the school board. Even if they don't have a scheduled meeting, you should be able to reach at least one board member. Does the school have a PTA? Parents may have had similar experiences and/or tips for dealing with your particular school/district. You can also contact the CT Board of Education - I'd probably try the Office of Student Supports, which deals with discipline in schools: https://portal.ct.gov/SDE/Discipline-in-Schools/Contact Suspending a six year old for 2 weeks and requiring therapy because she ran out of a classroom, scared of a snake, is OUTRAGEOUS. I'd ask for a written copy of that policy. A couple things I'd mention when you escalate this: She is now going to miss out on 2 weeks of education that your school district is required to provide. A wildlife instructor and classroom teacher do not have the qualifications to administer "exposure therapy" nor is it their place to suggest or require therapy. Totally inappropriate. If she had been properly evaluated by a school counselor or psychologist and they had made therapy a requirement, that might be reasonable but it doesn't sound like that happened here. Surely, there is a protocol that the school did not follow. I hope that something in this reply helps. Good luck! | 1 | 406 | 3.918782 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0k0tas | f0k3kii | 1,568,667,539 | 1,568,669,441 | 250 | 3,860 | So I am a MH professional and do mental health assessment for schools. I've never done anything like this before it seems way over the top. Most of my cases are neglect, abuse, drug use, defiant behaviors, major learning disorders etc. Would the school accept a second opinion? | Ask them whose license they were practicing "exposure therapy" under and for a copy of that person's license and liability insurance. | 0 | 1,902 | 15.44 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jy4ev | f0k3kii | 1,568,665,741 | 1,568,669,441 | 65 | 3,860 | Is this a public or private school? | Ask them whose license they were practicing "exposure therapy" under and for a copy of that person's license and liability insurance. | 0 | 3,700 | 59.384615 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jzqai | f0k3kii | 1,568,666,813 | 1,568,669,441 | 7 | 3,860 | Is this a public school? | Ask them whose license they were practicing "exposure therapy" under and for a copy of that person's license and liability insurance. | 0 | 2,628 | 551.428571 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0k72po | f0k2zwt | 1,568,671,972 | 1,568,669,035 | 3,162 | 985 | Time to escalate this right up the chain. Is this coming from the principal? Frankly, I would argue that their negligent "exposure therapy" has actually exacerbated her fear of snakes resulting in a need for therapy, and that you may actually have a case for damages against the school. | A lawyer might be able to get her back into school but that wouldn't likely be a quick thing. If you've already been to the principal, I think your next move should be escalating this to the school superintendent - and if you don't get anywhere with the superintendent, take it to the school board. Even if they don't have a scheduled meeting, you should be able to reach at least one board member. Does the school have a PTA? Parents may have had similar experiences and/or tips for dealing with your particular school/district. You can also contact the CT Board of Education - I'd probably try the Office of Student Supports, which deals with discipline in schools: https://portal.ct.gov/SDE/Discipline-in-Schools/Contact Suspending a six year old for 2 weeks and requiring therapy because she ran out of a classroom, scared of a snake, is OUTRAGEOUS. I'd ask for a written copy of that policy. A couple things I'd mention when you escalate this: She is now going to miss out on 2 weeks of education that your school district is required to provide. A wildlife instructor and classroom teacher do not have the qualifications to administer "exposure therapy" nor is it their place to suggest or require therapy. Totally inappropriate. If she had been properly evaluated by a school counselor or psychologist and they had made therapy a requirement, that might be reasonable but it doesn't sound like that happened here. Surely, there is a protocol that the school did not follow. I hope that something in this reply helps. Good luck! | 1 | 2,937 | 3.210152 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0k0tas | f0k72po | 1,568,667,539 | 1,568,671,972 | 250 | 3,162 | So I am a MH professional and do mental health assessment for schools. I've never done anything like this before it seems way over the top. Most of my cases are neglect, abuse, drug use, defiant behaviors, major learning disorders etc. Would the school accept a second opinion? | Time to escalate this right up the chain. Is this coming from the principal? Frankly, I would argue that their negligent "exposure therapy" has actually exacerbated her fear of snakes resulting in a need for therapy, and that you may actually have a case for damages against the school. | 0 | 4,433 | 12.648 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jy4ev | f0k72po | 1,568,665,741 | 1,568,671,972 | 65 | 3,162 | Is this a public or private school? | Time to escalate this right up the chain. Is this coming from the principal? Frankly, I would argue that their negligent "exposure therapy" has actually exacerbated her fear of snakes resulting in a need for therapy, and that you may actually have a case for damages against the school. | 0 | 6,231 | 48.646154 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0k72po | f0jzqai | 1,568,671,972 | 1,568,666,813 | 3,162 | 7 | Time to escalate this right up the chain. Is this coming from the principal? Frankly, I would argue that their negligent "exposure therapy" has actually exacerbated her fear of snakes resulting in a need for therapy, and that you may actually have a case for damages against the school. | Is this a public school? | 1 | 5,159 | 451.714286 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0k0tas | f0k2zwt | 1,568,667,539 | 1,568,669,035 | 250 | 985 | So I am a MH professional and do mental health assessment for schools. I've never done anything like this before it seems way over the top. Most of my cases are neglect, abuse, drug use, defiant behaviors, major learning disorders etc. Would the school accept a second opinion? | A lawyer might be able to get her back into school but that wouldn't likely be a quick thing. If you've already been to the principal, I think your next move should be escalating this to the school superintendent - and if you don't get anywhere with the superintendent, take it to the school board. Even if they don't have a scheduled meeting, you should be able to reach at least one board member. Does the school have a PTA? Parents may have had similar experiences and/or tips for dealing with your particular school/district. You can also contact the CT Board of Education - I'd probably try the Office of Student Supports, which deals with discipline in schools: https://portal.ct.gov/SDE/Discipline-in-Schools/Contact Suspending a six year old for 2 weeks and requiring therapy because she ran out of a classroom, scared of a snake, is OUTRAGEOUS. I'd ask for a written copy of that policy. A couple things I'd mention when you escalate this: She is now going to miss out on 2 weeks of education that your school district is required to provide. A wildlife instructor and classroom teacher do not have the qualifications to administer "exposure therapy" nor is it their place to suggest or require therapy. Totally inappropriate. If she had been properly evaluated by a school counselor or psychologist and they had made therapy a requirement, that might be reasonable but it doesn't sound like that happened here. Surely, there is a protocol that the school did not follow. I hope that something in this reply helps. Good luck! | 0 | 1,496 | 3.94 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0k2zwt | f0jy4ev | 1,568,669,035 | 1,568,665,741 | 985 | 65 | A lawyer might be able to get her back into school but that wouldn't likely be a quick thing. If you've already been to the principal, I think your next move should be escalating this to the school superintendent - and if you don't get anywhere with the superintendent, take it to the school board. Even if they don't have a scheduled meeting, you should be able to reach at least one board member. Does the school have a PTA? Parents may have had similar experiences and/or tips for dealing with your particular school/district. You can also contact the CT Board of Education - I'd probably try the Office of Student Supports, which deals with discipline in schools: https://portal.ct.gov/SDE/Discipline-in-Schools/Contact Suspending a six year old for 2 weeks and requiring therapy because she ran out of a classroom, scared of a snake, is OUTRAGEOUS. I'd ask for a written copy of that policy. A couple things I'd mention when you escalate this: She is now going to miss out on 2 weeks of education that your school district is required to provide. A wildlife instructor and classroom teacher do not have the qualifications to administer "exposure therapy" nor is it their place to suggest or require therapy. Totally inappropriate. If she had been properly evaluated by a school counselor or psychologist and they had made therapy a requirement, that might be reasonable but it doesn't sound like that happened here. Surely, there is a protocol that the school did not follow. I hope that something in this reply helps. Good luck! | Is this a public or private school? | 1 | 3,294 | 15.153846 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0k2zwt | f0jzqai | 1,568,669,035 | 1,568,666,813 | 985 | 7 | A lawyer might be able to get her back into school but that wouldn't likely be a quick thing. If you've already been to the principal, I think your next move should be escalating this to the school superintendent - and if you don't get anywhere with the superintendent, take it to the school board. Even if they don't have a scheduled meeting, you should be able to reach at least one board member. Does the school have a PTA? Parents may have had similar experiences and/or tips for dealing with your particular school/district. You can also contact the CT Board of Education - I'd probably try the Office of Student Supports, which deals with discipline in schools: https://portal.ct.gov/SDE/Discipline-in-Schools/Contact Suspending a six year old for 2 weeks and requiring therapy because she ran out of a classroom, scared of a snake, is OUTRAGEOUS. I'd ask for a written copy of that policy. A couple things I'd mention when you escalate this: She is now going to miss out on 2 weeks of education that your school district is required to provide. A wildlife instructor and classroom teacher do not have the qualifications to administer "exposure therapy" nor is it their place to suggest or require therapy. Totally inappropriate. If she had been properly evaluated by a school counselor or psychologist and they had made therapy a requirement, that might be reasonable but it doesn't sound like that happened here. Surely, there is a protocol that the school did not follow. I hope that something in this reply helps. Good luck! | Is this a public school? | 1 | 2,222 | 140.714286 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0k0tas | f0l0zcv | 1,568,667,539 | 1,568,694,237 | 250 | 380 | So I am a MH professional and do mental health assessment for schools. I've never done anything like this before it seems way over the top. Most of my cases are neglect, abuse, drug use, defiant behaviors, major learning disorders etc. Would the school accept a second opinion? | Escalate it up the chain. If they still ignore you inform them that you will file a complaint with the state department of education due to the principal's statement that they were "doing exposure therapy and your daughter's fear of snakes was irrational." This should freak them out because: 1. You are reporting them to the state, which will involve an investigation that they may not want 2. None of the people involved in the incident are licensed mental health professionals and the teacher was practicing outside the scope of her license (that will land her in hot water with the state). | 0 | 26,698 | 1.52 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0kef7m | f0l0zcv | 1,568,677,557 | 1,568,694,237 | 136 | 380 | Ugh. Exposure therapy? Please. More like flooding which leads to learned helplessness (perfect for grooming children to never resist adults) Was either adult licensed psychologist? Part of exposure therapy is letting the patient decide when they are comfortable enough to approach. Go to the school board. Fear of snakes is NOT irrational. | Escalate it up the chain. If they still ignore you inform them that you will file a complaint with the state department of education due to the principal's statement that they were "doing exposure therapy and your daughter's fear of snakes was irrational." This should freak them out because: 1. You are reporting them to the state, which will involve an investigation that they may not want 2. None of the people involved in the incident are licensed mental health professionals and the teacher was practicing outside the scope of her license (that will land her in hot water with the state). | 0 | 16,680 | 2.794118 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0kzyb6 | f0l0zcv | 1,568,693,167 | 1,568,694,237 | 86 | 380 | Not a lawyer, just experienced with schools who are a bit "suspension happy." Your child has the right to an education. Google "illegal suspension school" and the NYC and CA guides to students' rights in this situation pop up. I'm sure with some digging CT has one as well. Right now they think you will not make a fuss. Go down there, show your face, and make a fuss. But make sure they realize you know the rules and know how to appropriately escalate. That makes for an effective fuss. | Escalate it up the chain. If they still ignore you inform them that you will file a complaint with the state department of education due to the principal's statement that they were "doing exposure therapy and your daughter's fear of snakes was irrational." This should freak them out because: 1. You are reporting them to the state, which will involve an investigation that they may not want 2. None of the people involved in the incident are licensed mental health professionals and the teacher was practicing outside the scope of her license (that will land her in hot water with the state). | 0 | 1,070 | 4.418605 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0l0zcv | f0jy4ev | 1,568,694,237 | 1,568,665,741 | 380 | 65 | Escalate it up the chain. If they still ignore you inform them that you will file a complaint with the state department of education due to the principal's statement that they were "doing exposure therapy and your daughter's fear of snakes was irrational." This should freak them out because: 1. You are reporting them to the state, which will involve an investigation that they may not want 2. None of the people involved in the incident are licensed mental health professionals and the teacher was practicing outside the scope of her license (that will land her in hot water with the state). | Is this a public or private school? | 1 | 28,496 | 5.846154 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0l0zcv | f0ktxdu | 1,568,694,237 | 1,568,688,003 | 380 | 52 | Escalate it up the chain. If they still ignore you inform them that you will file a complaint with the state department of education due to the principal's statement that they were "doing exposure therapy and your daughter's fear of snakes was irrational." This should freak them out because: 1. You are reporting them to the state, which will involve an investigation that they may not want 2. None of the people involved in the incident are licensed mental health professionals and the teacher was practicing outside the scope of her license (that will land her in hot water with the state). | Contact the district office. Ask to speak to the superintendent’s office. If that doesn’t get the job done, contact the school board. | 1 | 6,234 | 7.307692 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jzqai | f0l0zcv | 1,568,666,813 | 1,568,694,237 | 7 | 380 | Is this a public school? | Escalate it up the chain. If they still ignore you inform them that you will file a complaint with the state department of education due to the principal's statement that they were "doing exposure therapy and your daughter's fear of snakes was irrational." This should freak them out because: 1. You are reporting them to the state, which will involve an investigation that they may not want 2. None of the people involved in the incident are licensed mental health professionals and the teacher was practicing outside the scope of her license (that will land her in hot water with the state). | 0 | 27,424 | 54.285714 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jy4ev | f0k0tas | 1,568,665,741 | 1,568,667,539 | 65 | 250 | Is this a public or private school? | So I am a MH professional and do mental health assessment for schools. I've never done anything like this before it seems way over the top. Most of my cases are neglect, abuse, drug use, defiant behaviors, major learning disorders etc. Would the school accept a second opinion? | 0 | 1,798 | 3.846154 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jzqai | f0k0tas | 1,568,666,813 | 1,568,667,539 | 7 | 250 | Is this a public school? | So I am a MH professional and do mental health assessment for schools. I've never done anything like this before it seems way over the top. Most of my cases are neglect, abuse, drug use, defiant behaviors, major learning disorders etc. Would the school accept a second opinion? | 0 | 726 | 35.714286 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0kef7m | f0jy4ev | 1,568,677,557 | 1,568,665,741 | 136 | 65 | Ugh. Exposure therapy? Please. More like flooding which leads to learned helplessness (perfect for grooming children to never resist adults) Was either adult licensed psychologist? Part of exposure therapy is letting the patient decide when they are comfortable enough to approach. Go to the school board. Fear of snakes is NOT irrational. | Is this a public or private school? | 1 | 11,816 | 2.092308 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jzqai | f0kef7m | 1,568,666,813 | 1,568,677,557 | 7 | 136 | Is this a public school? | Ugh. Exposure therapy? Please. More like flooding which leads to learned helplessness (perfect for grooming children to never resist adults) Was either adult licensed psychologist? Part of exposure therapy is letting the patient decide when they are comfortable enough to approach. Go to the school board. Fear of snakes is NOT irrational. | 0 | 10,744 | 19.428571 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0kzyb6 | f0lav6y | 1,568,693,167 | 1,568,707,584 | 86 | 133 | Not a lawyer, just experienced with schools who are a bit "suspension happy." Your child has the right to an education. Google "illegal suspension school" and the NYC and CA guides to students' rights in this situation pop up. I'm sure with some digging CT has one as well. Right now they think you will not make a fuss. Go down there, show your face, and make a fuss. But make sure they realize you know the rules and know how to appropriately escalate. That makes for an effective fuss. | In addition to everything that has been said, this is definitely something that needs to be addressed at a PTA meeting or with a police officer, as: 1. Except in life threatening occasions, no one can administer a medical treatment (which, in some cases, therapy is) to a minor without parental consent. 2. As anyone can tell you, exposure therapy is done in a controlled environment (which a classroom isn't) by a licensed therapist (which a teacher and an animal trainer **are not**). If they tried this on someone with actual problems, someone (including your daughter) could have been hurt, ether from the animal sensing fear and attacking, of from the person (in this case your daughter) trying to get away. If both the teacher and the animal control officer are claiming to have been administering exposure therapy, they can be charged with practicing medicine without a license, which can be a jail sentence of 1 to 10 years. | 0 | 14,417 | 1.546512 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0lav6y | f0jy4ev | 1,568,707,584 | 1,568,665,741 | 133 | 65 | In addition to everything that has been said, this is definitely something that needs to be addressed at a PTA meeting or with a police officer, as: 1. Except in life threatening occasions, no one can administer a medical treatment (which, in some cases, therapy is) to a minor without parental consent. 2. As anyone can tell you, exposure therapy is done in a controlled environment (which a classroom isn't) by a licensed therapist (which a teacher and an animal trainer **are not**). If they tried this on someone with actual problems, someone (including your daughter) could have been hurt, ether from the animal sensing fear and attacking, of from the person (in this case your daughter) trying to get away. If both the teacher and the animal control officer are claiming to have been administering exposure therapy, they can be charged with practicing medicine without a license, which can be a jail sentence of 1 to 10 years. | Is this a public or private school? | 1 | 41,843 | 2.046154 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0lav6y | f0ktxdu | 1,568,707,584 | 1,568,688,003 | 133 | 52 | In addition to everything that has been said, this is definitely something that needs to be addressed at a PTA meeting or with a police officer, as: 1. Except in life threatening occasions, no one can administer a medical treatment (which, in some cases, therapy is) to a minor without parental consent. 2. As anyone can tell you, exposure therapy is done in a controlled environment (which a classroom isn't) by a licensed therapist (which a teacher and an animal trainer **are not**). If they tried this on someone with actual problems, someone (including your daughter) could have been hurt, ether from the animal sensing fear and attacking, of from the person (in this case your daughter) trying to get away. If both the teacher and the animal control officer are claiming to have been administering exposure therapy, they can be charged with practicing medicine without a license, which can be a jail sentence of 1 to 10 years. | Contact the district office. Ask to speak to the superintendent’s office. If that doesn’t get the job done, contact the school board. | 1 | 19,581 | 2.557692 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0lav6y | f0l7eda | 1,568,707,584 | 1,568,702,125 | 133 | 49 | In addition to everything that has been said, this is definitely something that needs to be addressed at a PTA meeting or with a police officer, as: 1. Except in life threatening occasions, no one can administer a medical treatment (which, in some cases, therapy is) to a minor without parental consent. 2. As anyone can tell you, exposure therapy is done in a controlled environment (which a classroom isn't) by a licensed therapist (which a teacher and an animal trainer **are not**). If they tried this on someone with actual problems, someone (including your daughter) could have been hurt, ether from the animal sensing fear and attacking, of from the person (in this case your daughter) trying to get away. If both the teacher and the animal control officer are claiming to have been administering exposure therapy, they can be charged with practicing medicine without a license, which can be a jail sentence of 1 to 10 years. | I am not a lawyer, but I really hope the teacher and principal said this in writing. You don't have any legal remedies that would be that fast acting, but you have some other remedies. Stop talking to the teacher or the principal. Go talk to the superintendent - since the principal said she needs to get therapy, they can now be on the hook for covering every penny of this therapy they claim she needs. Tomorrow go make a lunch and sit in the super's office until they can see you. Print out the emails, they will **love** to see the liability the P has created for the district - since on top of them being potentially liable for the therapy the P said the kid needs before she can go back to school, that severe anxiety the P is claiming she has is obviously disabling enough to impact education - so you can request a full evaluation in all areas of suspected disability - which will cost the district mostly in manhours (Money, too, if you decide to twist the knife and request an Independent Educational Evaluation at a doctor of your choice). If possible, you might want to see if she can be transferred to another school in the district next year, at least if the P isn't fired or transferred themselves. | 1 | 5,459 | 2.714286 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0la67p | f0lav6y | 1,568,706,410 | 1,568,707,584 | 34 | 133 | You may have some legal remedies, but they are probably slower than working with the school district and probably more expensive than paying for a nanny for two weeks. Fastest, cheapest way is to start by escalating it in district. I'm giving advice for that, because I work in the schools. I suspect you have leverage for more (soooo many things wrong here - random people practicing "therapy" without parent consent, inappropriate suspension policies, concern about your daughter being comfortable touching snakes and what that has to do with her education....) but I don't have any recommendations there beyond talking to a lawyer. 1. Try to get what the principal said it writing. (If you are interested in perusing a legal case later, I would consult a lawyer before doing this.) I would email the principal and ask them to explain again what happened. If they call instead of email back, say you are busy and ask them to email. Ask follow up questions in email if they didn't include all the most interesting stuff (the exposure therapy would be great to get in writing.) I'd also ask when in her education she is going to next need to touch live snakes. 2. Do some research and bring printed copies to any meetings. -What exactly are school and district policies on suspensions? -What are state laws on suspensions? -What is the research on suspensions and best practice for young children? -What are the requirements in your state to practice therapy? -What exactly are the diagnostic criteria for a phobia and the recommended prerequisites for exposure therapy? -What are the relevant educational standards to snakes? 3. Act quickly and schedule an appointment with the principal's boss. (You are looking for the superintendent or the person in charge of the district. If you call the district office, they may schedule an appointment with another administrator at the district level. Take it for now, but if it isn't resolved, push to keep escalating to the superintendent, then the school board.) You are hoping that your principal doesn't talk to them first. 4. If you want to pull out some big guns: You could bring a lawyer (need to find someone who specializes in educational law) to a meeting with district staff. This is probably pretty expensive, but likely to be effective. 5. Also, check to see when the next school board meeting is scheduled. (If it is awhile off, you can usually find their email addresses online.) If it is soon, go, as they probably have a public commentary section. Ask them about their policies for exposure therapy done by teachers, the importance of being comfortable with snakes in school, and their suspension policies. They probably will really, really will want to make you happy quickly, as these public forums are often video taped and available to anyone. They will just say that they will "look into it" at the meeting, but give them your contact information and let them know you will be back if it is not resolved. 6. Say you will schedule an appointment with a therapist, so your daughter can go to school. (Stay with me here.) The first appointment should be a consultation with just you and not your daughter. (Bring school proof that this is scheduled, but realistically, it's going to be a ways out. Which gives you more time to fight the validity of the suspension without having to worry about childcare. And a therapist may be covered by your health insurance, but a lawyer will not be.) Explain to the therapist exactly what happened: *Your daughter is mildly afraid of snakes. She did not want to touch one in class. *When pressured by two adults, your daughter cried and ran into the hallway. *The school said that the teacher and wildlife instructor were doing "exposure therapy." *The school suspended her for two weeks, unless she got therapy to get over her fear of snakes. Try to just stick to the facts. Or hand the therapist the emails from the principal. I suspect a therapist is not going to be very impressed with all of this. If they agree that your daughter does not need therapy (for all the instances that she must touch snakes in daily life /s,) you can probably get them a letter to your district saying so, which would support your cause. By the way, I agree that this is completely ridiculous. I've spent plenty of time encouraging kids to try something that scares them (camp counselor,) and trying to force it makes it worse. Also, a number of kids have run out of my room over the years (teacher,) and although it's really not okay, none of them were suspended. And she is six. Completely developmentally inappropriate to have two week suspensions for not following directions. | In addition to everything that has been said, this is definitely something that needs to be addressed at a PTA meeting or with a police officer, as: 1. Except in life threatening occasions, no one can administer a medical treatment (which, in some cases, therapy is) to a minor without parental consent. 2. As anyone can tell you, exposure therapy is done in a controlled environment (which a classroom isn't) by a licensed therapist (which a teacher and an animal trainer **are not**). If they tried this on someone with actual problems, someone (including your daughter) could have been hurt, ether from the animal sensing fear and attacking, of from the person (in this case your daughter) trying to get away. If both the teacher and the animal control officer are claiming to have been administering exposure therapy, they can be charged with practicing medicine without a license, which can be a jail sentence of 1 to 10 years. | 0 | 1,174 | 3.911765 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jzqai | f0lav6y | 1,568,666,813 | 1,568,707,584 | 7 | 133 | Is this a public school? | In addition to everything that has been said, this is definitely something that needs to be addressed at a PTA meeting or with a police officer, as: 1. Except in life threatening occasions, no one can administer a medical treatment (which, in some cases, therapy is) to a minor without parental consent. 2. As anyone can tell you, exposure therapy is done in a controlled environment (which a classroom isn't) by a licensed therapist (which a teacher and an animal trainer **are not**). If they tried this on someone with actual problems, someone (including your daughter) could have been hurt, ether from the animal sensing fear and attacking, of from the person (in this case your daughter) trying to get away. If both the teacher and the animal control officer are claiming to have been administering exposure therapy, they can be charged with practicing medicine without a license, which can be a jail sentence of 1 to 10 years. | 0 | 40,771 | 19 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jy4ev | f0kzyb6 | 1,568,665,741 | 1,568,693,167 | 65 | 86 | Is this a public or private school? | Not a lawyer, just experienced with schools who are a bit "suspension happy." Your child has the right to an education. Google "illegal suspension school" and the NYC and CA guides to students' rights in this situation pop up. I'm sure with some digging CT has one as well. Right now they think you will not make a fuss. Go down there, show your face, and make a fuss. But make sure they realize you know the rules and know how to appropriately escalate. That makes for an effective fuss. | 0 | 27,426 | 1.323077 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0ktxdu | f0kzyb6 | 1,568,688,003 | 1,568,693,167 | 52 | 86 | Contact the district office. Ask to speak to the superintendent’s office. If that doesn’t get the job done, contact the school board. | Not a lawyer, just experienced with schools who are a bit "suspension happy." Your child has the right to an education. Google "illegal suspension school" and the NYC and CA guides to students' rights in this situation pop up. I'm sure with some digging CT has one as well. Right now they think you will not make a fuss. Go down there, show your face, and make a fuss. But make sure they realize you know the rules and know how to appropriately escalate. That makes for an effective fuss. | 0 | 5,164 | 1.653846 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0kzyb6 | f0jzqai | 1,568,693,167 | 1,568,666,813 | 86 | 7 | Not a lawyer, just experienced with schools who are a bit "suspension happy." Your child has the right to an education. Google "illegal suspension school" and the NYC and CA guides to students' rights in this situation pop up. I'm sure with some digging CT has one as well. Right now they think you will not make a fuss. Go down there, show your face, and make a fuss. But make sure they realize you know the rules and know how to appropriately escalate. That makes for an effective fuss. | Is this a public school? | 1 | 26,354 | 12.285714 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0lh3mb | f0jy4ev | 1,568,717,716 | 1,568,665,741 | 68 | 65 | Where was this wildlife person who brought the snake in from? Are they private rehabber? A park/museum? I might also think about lodging a complaint with the organization that brought the animal over their professionalism. I work in a park/museum setting and forcing people to touch animals is a huge no-no in our animal handling/guest interactions trainings. Not only is it bad for the person it's also a risk to the animal cause a frightened person might panic and drop or lash out at the animal. | Is this a public or private school? | 1 | 51,975 | 1.046154 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0lh3mb | f0ktxdu | 1,568,717,716 | 1,568,688,003 | 68 | 52 | Where was this wildlife person who brought the snake in from? Are they private rehabber? A park/museum? I might also think about lodging a complaint with the organization that brought the animal over their professionalism. I work in a park/museum setting and forcing people to touch animals is a huge no-no in our animal handling/guest interactions trainings. Not only is it bad for the person it's also a risk to the animal cause a frightened person might panic and drop or lash out at the animal. | Contact the district office. Ask to speak to the superintendent’s office. If that doesn’t get the job done, contact the school board. | 1 | 29,713 | 1.307692 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0l7eda | f0lh3mb | 1,568,702,125 | 1,568,717,716 | 49 | 68 | I am not a lawyer, but I really hope the teacher and principal said this in writing. You don't have any legal remedies that would be that fast acting, but you have some other remedies. Stop talking to the teacher or the principal. Go talk to the superintendent - since the principal said she needs to get therapy, they can now be on the hook for covering every penny of this therapy they claim she needs. Tomorrow go make a lunch and sit in the super's office until they can see you. Print out the emails, they will **love** to see the liability the P has created for the district - since on top of them being potentially liable for the therapy the P said the kid needs before she can go back to school, that severe anxiety the P is claiming she has is obviously disabling enough to impact education - so you can request a full evaluation in all areas of suspected disability - which will cost the district mostly in manhours (Money, too, if you decide to twist the knife and request an Independent Educational Evaluation at a doctor of your choice). If possible, you might want to see if she can be transferred to another school in the district next year, at least if the P isn't fired or transferred themselves. | Where was this wildlife person who brought the snake in from? Are they private rehabber? A park/museum? I might also think about lodging a complaint with the organization that brought the animal over their professionalism. I work in a park/museum setting and forcing people to touch animals is a huge no-no in our animal handling/guest interactions trainings. Not only is it bad for the person it's also a risk to the animal cause a frightened person might panic and drop or lash out at the animal. | 0 | 15,591 | 1.387755 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0la67p | f0lh3mb | 1,568,706,410 | 1,568,717,716 | 34 | 68 | You may have some legal remedies, but they are probably slower than working with the school district and probably more expensive than paying for a nanny for two weeks. Fastest, cheapest way is to start by escalating it in district. I'm giving advice for that, because I work in the schools. I suspect you have leverage for more (soooo many things wrong here - random people practicing "therapy" without parent consent, inappropriate suspension policies, concern about your daughter being comfortable touching snakes and what that has to do with her education....) but I don't have any recommendations there beyond talking to a lawyer. 1. Try to get what the principal said it writing. (If you are interested in perusing a legal case later, I would consult a lawyer before doing this.) I would email the principal and ask them to explain again what happened. If they call instead of email back, say you are busy and ask them to email. Ask follow up questions in email if they didn't include all the most interesting stuff (the exposure therapy would be great to get in writing.) I'd also ask when in her education she is going to next need to touch live snakes. 2. Do some research and bring printed copies to any meetings. -What exactly are school and district policies on suspensions? -What are state laws on suspensions? -What is the research on suspensions and best practice for young children? -What are the requirements in your state to practice therapy? -What exactly are the diagnostic criteria for a phobia and the recommended prerequisites for exposure therapy? -What are the relevant educational standards to snakes? 3. Act quickly and schedule an appointment with the principal's boss. (You are looking for the superintendent or the person in charge of the district. If you call the district office, they may schedule an appointment with another administrator at the district level. Take it for now, but if it isn't resolved, push to keep escalating to the superintendent, then the school board.) You are hoping that your principal doesn't talk to them first. 4. If you want to pull out some big guns: You could bring a lawyer (need to find someone who specializes in educational law) to a meeting with district staff. This is probably pretty expensive, but likely to be effective. 5. Also, check to see when the next school board meeting is scheduled. (If it is awhile off, you can usually find their email addresses online.) If it is soon, go, as they probably have a public commentary section. Ask them about their policies for exposure therapy done by teachers, the importance of being comfortable with snakes in school, and their suspension policies. They probably will really, really will want to make you happy quickly, as these public forums are often video taped and available to anyone. They will just say that they will "look into it" at the meeting, but give them your contact information and let them know you will be back if it is not resolved. 6. Say you will schedule an appointment with a therapist, so your daughter can go to school. (Stay with me here.) The first appointment should be a consultation with just you and not your daughter. (Bring school proof that this is scheduled, but realistically, it's going to be a ways out. Which gives you more time to fight the validity of the suspension without having to worry about childcare. And a therapist may be covered by your health insurance, but a lawyer will not be.) Explain to the therapist exactly what happened: *Your daughter is mildly afraid of snakes. She did not want to touch one in class. *When pressured by two adults, your daughter cried and ran into the hallway. *The school said that the teacher and wildlife instructor were doing "exposure therapy." *The school suspended her for two weeks, unless she got therapy to get over her fear of snakes. Try to just stick to the facts. Or hand the therapist the emails from the principal. I suspect a therapist is not going to be very impressed with all of this. If they agree that your daughter does not need therapy (for all the instances that she must touch snakes in daily life /s,) you can probably get them a letter to your district saying so, which would support your cause. By the way, I agree that this is completely ridiculous. I've spent plenty of time encouraging kids to try something that scares them (camp counselor,) and trying to force it makes it worse. Also, a number of kids have run out of my room over the years (teacher,) and although it's really not okay, none of them were suspended. And she is six. Completely developmentally inappropriate to have two week suspensions for not following directions. | Where was this wildlife person who brought the snake in from? Are they private rehabber? A park/museum? I might also think about lodging a complaint with the organization that brought the animal over their professionalism. I work in a park/museum setting and forcing people to touch animals is a huge no-no in our animal handling/guest interactions trainings. Not only is it bad for the person it's also a risk to the animal cause a frightened person might panic and drop or lash out at the animal. | 0 | 11,306 | 2 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jzqai | f0lh3mb | 1,568,666,813 | 1,568,717,716 | 7 | 68 | Is this a public school? | Where was this wildlife person who brought the snake in from? Are they private rehabber? A park/museum? I might also think about lodging a complaint with the organization that brought the animal over their professionalism. I work in a park/museum setting and forcing people to touch animals is a huge no-no in our animal handling/guest interactions trainings. Not only is it bad for the person it's also a risk to the animal cause a frightened person might panic and drop or lash out at the animal. | 0 | 50,903 | 9.714286 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jzqai | f0ktxdu | 1,568,666,813 | 1,568,688,003 | 7 | 52 | Is this a public school? | Contact the district office. Ask to speak to the superintendent’s office. If that doesn’t get the job done, contact the school board. | 0 | 21,190 | 7.428571 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jzqai | f0l7eda | 1,568,666,813 | 1,568,702,125 | 7 | 49 | Is this a public school? | I am not a lawyer, but I really hope the teacher and principal said this in writing. You don't have any legal remedies that would be that fast acting, but you have some other remedies. Stop talking to the teacher or the principal. Go talk to the superintendent - since the principal said she needs to get therapy, they can now be on the hook for covering every penny of this therapy they claim she needs. Tomorrow go make a lunch and sit in the super's office until they can see you. Print out the emails, they will **love** to see the liability the P has created for the district - since on top of them being potentially liable for the therapy the P said the kid needs before she can go back to school, that severe anxiety the P is claiming she has is obviously disabling enough to impact education - so you can request a full evaluation in all areas of suspected disability - which will cost the district mostly in manhours (Money, too, if you decide to twist the knife and request an Independent Educational Evaluation at a doctor of your choice). If possible, you might want to see if she can be transferred to another school in the district next year, at least if the P isn't fired or transferred themselves. | 0 | 35,312 | 7 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0loa9k | f0la67p | 1,568,725,055 | 1,568,706,410 | 42 | 34 | Not a lawyer but an animal handler and a teacher really shouldn’t be practicing any kind of therapy and particularly not exposure therapy. In exposure therapy it’s meant to be a slow and gradual buildup in terms of the level of exposure not just immediate contact. You should also be asking who disgnosed your daughter with a phobia, a fear of snakes can very rationally be called justified, especially as a small kid, so it would need to be to a very extreme level to warrant any kind of treatment in the first place. | You may have some legal remedies, but they are probably slower than working with the school district and probably more expensive than paying for a nanny for two weeks. Fastest, cheapest way is to start by escalating it in district. I'm giving advice for that, because I work in the schools. I suspect you have leverage for more (soooo many things wrong here - random people practicing "therapy" without parent consent, inappropriate suspension policies, concern about your daughter being comfortable touching snakes and what that has to do with her education....) but I don't have any recommendations there beyond talking to a lawyer. 1. Try to get what the principal said it writing. (If you are interested in perusing a legal case later, I would consult a lawyer before doing this.) I would email the principal and ask them to explain again what happened. If they call instead of email back, say you are busy and ask them to email. Ask follow up questions in email if they didn't include all the most interesting stuff (the exposure therapy would be great to get in writing.) I'd also ask when in her education she is going to next need to touch live snakes. 2. Do some research and bring printed copies to any meetings. -What exactly are school and district policies on suspensions? -What are state laws on suspensions? -What is the research on suspensions and best practice for young children? -What are the requirements in your state to practice therapy? -What exactly are the diagnostic criteria for a phobia and the recommended prerequisites for exposure therapy? -What are the relevant educational standards to snakes? 3. Act quickly and schedule an appointment with the principal's boss. (You are looking for the superintendent or the person in charge of the district. If you call the district office, they may schedule an appointment with another administrator at the district level. Take it for now, but if it isn't resolved, push to keep escalating to the superintendent, then the school board.) You are hoping that your principal doesn't talk to them first. 4. If you want to pull out some big guns: You could bring a lawyer (need to find someone who specializes in educational law) to a meeting with district staff. This is probably pretty expensive, but likely to be effective. 5. Also, check to see when the next school board meeting is scheduled. (If it is awhile off, you can usually find their email addresses online.) If it is soon, go, as they probably have a public commentary section. Ask them about their policies for exposure therapy done by teachers, the importance of being comfortable with snakes in school, and their suspension policies. They probably will really, really will want to make you happy quickly, as these public forums are often video taped and available to anyone. They will just say that they will "look into it" at the meeting, but give them your contact information and let them know you will be back if it is not resolved. 6. Say you will schedule an appointment with a therapist, so your daughter can go to school. (Stay with me here.) The first appointment should be a consultation with just you and not your daughter. (Bring school proof that this is scheduled, but realistically, it's going to be a ways out. Which gives you more time to fight the validity of the suspension without having to worry about childcare. And a therapist may be covered by your health insurance, but a lawyer will not be.) Explain to the therapist exactly what happened: *Your daughter is mildly afraid of snakes. She did not want to touch one in class. *When pressured by two adults, your daughter cried and ran into the hallway. *The school said that the teacher and wildlife instructor were doing "exposure therapy." *The school suspended her for two weeks, unless she got therapy to get over her fear of snakes. Try to just stick to the facts. Or hand the therapist the emails from the principal. I suspect a therapist is not going to be very impressed with all of this. If they agree that your daughter does not need therapy (for all the instances that she must touch snakes in daily life /s,) you can probably get them a letter to your district saying so, which would support your cause. By the way, I agree that this is completely ridiculous. I've spent plenty of time encouraging kids to try something that scares them (camp counselor,) and trying to force it makes it worse. Also, a number of kids have run out of my room over the years (teacher,) and although it's really not okay, none of them were suspended. And she is six. Completely developmentally inappropriate to have two week suspensions for not following directions. | 1 | 18,645 | 1.235294 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0loa9k | f0jzqai | 1,568,725,055 | 1,568,666,813 | 42 | 7 | Not a lawyer but an animal handler and a teacher really shouldn’t be practicing any kind of therapy and particularly not exposure therapy. In exposure therapy it’s meant to be a slow and gradual buildup in terms of the level of exposure not just immediate contact. You should also be asking who disgnosed your daughter with a phobia, a fear of snakes can very rationally be called justified, especially as a small kid, so it would need to be to a very extreme level to warrant any kind of treatment in the first place. | Is this a public school? | 1 | 58,242 | 6 |
d562vz | legaladvice_train | 1 | [CT] daughter is suspended from school for 2 weeks and school will only let her back if she gets unnecessary therapy. Please help. My daughter is 6 and just started first grade. The school brought in a wildlife instructor to show them some animals. My daughter hates snakes and that was one of the animals they brought. The instructor told her to touch the snake. She said no. The teacher also told her to touch the snake. She said no again. Both the instructor and the teacher began pressuring her to touch the snake and told her they wouldn’t move on until she did. She started crying and ran out into the hallway. She stayed in the hall right outside the door. This is the story from the teacher FYI, so I know my daughter isn’t lying or exaggerating. I got called into school and the principal said that running out of class without permission is an automatic 2 week suspension. When I heard the story, I asked why they didn’t just let her not touch the snake. It seems to me that she had a fairly expected reaction for a 6 year old in that situation. They said that they were doing “exposure therapy” and were working to make sure she got over her “irrational fears.” I asked if there was any way that they could change the suspension, since I can’t afford unexpected childcare for 2 weeks. They said that they would waive it if I could show proof of getting her therapy for her fear of snakes. Frankly, I can’t afford therapy, and even if I could, there are many things that my daughter could make better use of than therapy for a fear of snakes when we live in a city and rarely encounter snakes. I’m furious with the school and also at a loss. Can the school put her through “exposure therapy” without my permission? Would a lawyer help me get her back into school? Are there any legal remedies here? Please help. TIA. | f0jzqai | f0la67p | 1,568,666,813 | 1,568,706,410 | 7 | 34 | Is this a public school? | You may have some legal remedies, but they are probably slower than working with the school district and probably more expensive than paying for a nanny for two weeks. Fastest, cheapest way is to start by escalating it in district. I'm giving advice for that, because I work in the schools. I suspect you have leverage for more (soooo many things wrong here - random people practicing "therapy" without parent consent, inappropriate suspension policies, concern about your daughter being comfortable touching snakes and what that has to do with her education....) but I don't have any recommendations there beyond talking to a lawyer. 1. Try to get what the principal said it writing. (If you are interested in perusing a legal case later, I would consult a lawyer before doing this.) I would email the principal and ask them to explain again what happened. If they call instead of email back, say you are busy and ask them to email. Ask follow up questions in email if they didn't include all the most interesting stuff (the exposure therapy would be great to get in writing.) I'd also ask when in her education she is going to next need to touch live snakes. 2. Do some research and bring printed copies to any meetings. -What exactly are school and district policies on suspensions? -What are state laws on suspensions? -What is the research on suspensions and best practice for young children? -What are the requirements in your state to practice therapy? -What exactly are the diagnostic criteria for a phobia and the recommended prerequisites for exposure therapy? -What are the relevant educational standards to snakes? 3. Act quickly and schedule an appointment with the principal's boss. (You are looking for the superintendent or the person in charge of the district. If you call the district office, they may schedule an appointment with another administrator at the district level. Take it for now, but if it isn't resolved, push to keep escalating to the superintendent, then the school board.) You are hoping that your principal doesn't talk to them first. 4. If you want to pull out some big guns: You could bring a lawyer (need to find someone who specializes in educational law) to a meeting with district staff. This is probably pretty expensive, but likely to be effective. 5. Also, check to see when the next school board meeting is scheduled. (If it is awhile off, you can usually find their email addresses online.) If it is soon, go, as they probably have a public commentary section. Ask them about their policies for exposure therapy done by teachers, the importance of being comfortable with snakes in school, and their suspension policies. They probably will really, really will want to make you happy quickly, as these public forums are often video taped and available to anyone. They will just say that they will "look into it" at the meeting, but give them your contact information and let them know you will be back if it is not resolved. 6. Say you will schedule an appointment with a therapist, so your daughter can go to school. (Stay with me here.) The first appointment should be a consultation with just you and not your daughter. (Bring school proof that this is scheduled, but realistically, it's going to be a ways out. Which gives you more time to fight the validity of the suspension without having to worry about childcare. And a therapist may be covered by your health insurance, but a lawyer will not be.) Explain to the therapist exactly what happened: *Your daughter is mildly afraid of snakes. She did not want to touch one in class. *When pressured by two adults, your daughter cried and ran into the hallway. *The school said that the teacher and wildlife instructor were doing "exposure therapy." *The school suspended her for two weeks, unless she got therapy to get over her fear of snakes. Try to just stick to the facts. Or hand the therapist the emails from the principal. I suspect a therapist is not going to be very impressed with all of this. If they agree that your daughter does not need therapy (for all the instances that she must touch snakes in daily life /s,) you can probably get them a letter to your district saying so, which would support your cause. By the way, I agree that this is completely ridiculous. I've spent plenty of time encouraging kids to try something that scares them (camp counselor,) and trying to force it makes it worse. Also, a number of kids have run out of my room over the years (teacher,) and although it's really not okay, none of them were suspended. And she is six. Completely developmentally inappropriate to have two week suspensions for not following directions. | 0 | 39,597 | 4.857143 |
53qr48 | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | (Florida) A boy hit my step daughter in the face with a skateboard and broke her cheek. She wasn't even the target and has been suspended for 2 weeks for fighting My step daughter is in her junior year of high school. She was walking down the hall and turned a corner and was hit in the face by a skateboard by a freshman boy she had never met. It was witnessed by 3 teachers and 3 students who all said she was just walking and they never spoke before it happened. The boy who did it told the teachers who saw that he was wanted to hit the boy walking behind my step daughter and not her because he doesn't "even know that bitch". After he hit her he got in a fist fight with the boy who had been walking behind her and the police had to be called. My step daughter was unconscious and an ambulance was called. She has a broken cheek and had to spend the night in the hospital. Both her and the boy who hit her have been suspended from school for 2 weeks (10 days) for fighting. The principal won't take mine or my husband's calls and neither will the superintendent. We are frustrated beyond belief. The boy who hit her was arrested for assaulting my step daughter, for assaulting a teacher, for a assaulting a police officer and for having marijuana in his pocket. He was suspended for 10 days like my step daughter. The boy who was the target who was fought with him after was not suspended or arrested because he was "defending" himself. I can't believe how ridiculous this is because my step daughter was not fighting she was attacked, as per the teachers and the student witnesses. My step daughter was also told that she cannot come to school if she is prescribed pain medication and takes it because they don't allow students to attend school if they are using drugs. The police also believe was attacked and are not charging her. Her suspension means she is ineligible for all extra curricular activities and the honor roll for the rest of the school year. My step daughter has always been on the honor roll, and without this and the extra curricular activity she will be hampered if not lose her chance for a scholarship after she graduates next year. Is there anything we can do under Florida law to get this reversed or is there some kind of action we can take against the school? It is a public high school in Florida. Do we need a lawyer? | d7vgipe | d7vfnyv | 1,474,422,384 | 1,474,421,086 | 495 | 44 | Go to the school to talk to the principal. Tell the secretary that you need to talk to the principal and sit there to wait. Be very persistent. Explain to the principal that the suspension is a huge mistake on his part. Your daughter was the victim of a very serious crime. If the principal will not see you, go to the superintendent. If the superintendent will not see you, go to the board of education. If none of these work, contact a lawyer. | Your action (at least your primary action) is against the lad with the skateboard. I'll assume for purposes of argument that his story is true. He didn't intend to assault your daughter. That said, intent to commit the particular offence (it's called the tort of assault) is different from the intent to swing the skateboard, which he clearly intended to do. You sue the lad in civil court. You obtain damages. There may be a parental responsibility statute in your state, such that the parents and/or insurance on their house or apartment (liability insurance) would cover. An action against the school would have to be predicated on the school's negligence, and any immunities under state law. You need to see a plaintiff's personal injury attorney as quickly as possible. First consultations are usually free. | 1 | 1,298 | 11.25 |
53qr48 | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | (Florida) A boy hit my step daughter in the face with a skateboard and broke her cheek. She wasn't even the target and has been suspended for 2 weeks for fighting My step daughter is in her junior year of high school. She was walking down the hall and turned a corner and was hit in the face by a skateboard by a freshman boy she had never met. It was witnessed by 3 teachers and 3 students who all said she was just walking and they never spoke before it happened. The boy who did it told the teachers who saw that he was wanted to hit the boy walking behind my step daughter and not her because he doesn't "even know that bitch". After he hit her he got in a fist fight with the boy who had been walking behind her and the police had to be called. My step daughter was unconscious and an ambulance was called. She has a broken cheek and had to spend the night in the hospital. Both her and the boy who hit her have been suspended from school for 2 weeks (10 days) for fighting. The principal won't take mine or my husband's calls and neither will the superintendent. We are frustrated beyond belief. The boy who hit her was arrested for assaulting my step daughter, for assaulting a teacher, for a assaulting a police officer and for having marijuana in his pocket. He was suspended for 10 days like my step daughter. The boy who was the target who was fought with him after was not suspended or arrested because he was "defending" himself. I can't believe how ridiculous this is because my step daughter was not fighting she was attacked, as per the teachers and the student witnesses. My step daughter was also told that she cannot come to school if she is prescribed pain medication and takes it because they don't allow students to attend school if they are using drugs. The police also believe was attacked and are not charging her. Her suspension means she is ineligible for all extra curricular activities and the honor roll for the rest of the school year. My step daughter has always been on the honor roll, and without this and the extra curricular activity she will be hampered if not lose her chance for a scholarship after she graduates next year. Is there anything we can do under Florida law to get this reversed or is there some kind of action we can take against the school? It is a public high school in Florida. Do we need a lawyer? | d7vlnnr | d7vfnyv | 1,474,430,496 | 1,474,421,086 | 256 | 44 | As a school admin for an alternative school.. Call another school in the district and ask for the number tot he districts hearing officer (may be named. Slightly different) this person oversees ALL suspensions and has some say with superintendency. Also school board governing board and any and all other superintendents. Maybe even your vice principal | Your action (at least your primary action) is against the lad with the skateboard. I'll assume for purposes of argument that his story is true. He didn't intend to assault your daughter. That said, intent to commit the particular offence (it's called the tort of assault) is different from the intent to swing the skateboard, which he clearly intended to do. You sue the lad in civil court. You obtain damages. There may be a parental responsibility statute in your state, such that the parents and/or insurance on their house or apartment (liability insurance) would cover. An action against the school would have to be predicated on the school's negligence, and any immunities under state law. You need to see a plaintiff's personal injury attorney as quickly as possible. First consultations are usually free. | 1 | 9,410 | 5.818182 |
53qr48 | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | (Florida) A boy hit my step daughter in the face with a skateboard and broke her cheek. She wasn't even the target and has been suspended for 2 weeks for fighting My step daughter is in her junior year of high school. She was walking down the hall and turned a corner and was hit in the face by a skateboard by a freshman boy she had never met. It was witnessed by 3 teachers and 3 students who all said she was just walking and they never spoke before it happened. The boy who did it told the teachers who saw that he was wanted to hit the boy walking behind my step daughter and not her because he doesn't "even know that bitch". After he hit her he got in a fist fight with the boy who had been walking behind her and the police had to be called. My step daughter was unconscious and an ambulance was called. She has a broken cheek and had to spend the night in the hospital. Both her and the boy who hit her have been suspended from school for 2 weeks (10 days) for fighting. The principal won't take mine or my husband's calls and neither will the superintendent. We are frustrated beyond belief. The boy who hit her was arrested for assaulting my step daughter, for assaulting a teacher, for a assaulting a police officer and for having marijuana in his pocket. He was suspended for 10 days like my step daughter. The boy who was the target who was fought with him after was not suspended or arrested because he was "defending" himself. I can't believe how ridiculous this is because my step daughter was not fighting she was attacked, as per the teachers and the student witnesses. My step daughter was also told that she cannot come to school if she is prescribed pain medication and takes it because they don't allow students to attend school if they are using drugs. The police also believe was attacked and are not charging her. Her suspension means she is ineligible for all extra curricular activities and the honor roll for the rest of the school year. My step daughter has always been on the honor roll, and without this and the extra curricular activity she will be hampered if not lose her chance for a scholarship after she graduates next year. Is there anything we can do under Florida law to get this reversed or is there some kind of action we can take against the school? It is a public high school in Florida. Do we need a lawyer? | d7vmw0r | d7vfnyv | 1,474,432,838 | 1,474,421,086 | 52 | 44 | Request security footage from the school. This can be useful. | Your action (at least your primary action) is against the lad with the skateboard. I'll assume for purposes of argument that his story is true. He didn't intend to assault your daughter. That said, intent to commit the particular offence (it's called the tort of assault) is different from the intent to swing the skateboard, which he clearly intended to do. You sue the lad in civil court. You obtain damages. There may be a parental responsibility statute in your state, such that the parents and/or insurance on their house or apartment (liability insurance) would cover. An action against the school would have to be predicated on the school's negligence, and any immunities under state law. You need to see a plaintiff's personal injury attorney as quickly as possible. First consultations are usually free. | 1 | 11,752 | 1.181818 |
53qr48 | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | (Florida) A boy hit my step daughter in the face with a skateboard and broke her cheek. She wasn't even the target and has been suspended for 2 weeks for fighting My step daughter is in her junior year of high school. She was walking down the hall and turned a corner and was hit in the face by a skateboard by a freshman boy she had never met. It was witnessed by 3 teachers and 3 students who all said she was just walking and they never spoke before it happened. The boy who did it told the teachers who saw that he was wanted to hit the boy walking behind my step daughter and not her because he doesn't "even know that bitch". After he hit her he got in a fist fight with the boy who had been walking behind her and the police had to be called. My step daughter was unconscious and an ambulance was called. She has a broken cheek and had to spend the night in the hospital. Both her and the boy who hit her have been suspended from school for 2 weeks (10 days) for fighting. The principal won't take mine or my husband's calls and neither will the superintendent. We are frustrated beyond belief. The boy who hit her was arrested for assaulting my step daughter, for assaulting a teacher, for a assaulting a police officer and for having marijuana in his pocket. He was suspended for 10 days like my step daughter. The boy who was the target who was fought with him after was not suspended or arrested because he was "defending" himself. I can't believe how ridiculous this is because my step daughter was not fighting she was attacked, as per the teachers and the student witnesses. My step daughter was also told that she cannot come to school if she is prescribed pain medication and takes it because they don't allow students to attend school if they are using drugs. The police also believe was attacked and are not charging her. Her suspension means she is ineligible for all extra curricular activities and the honor roll for the rest of the school year. My step daughter has always been on the honor roll, and without this and the extra curricular activity she will be hampered if not lose her chance for a scholarship after she graduates next year. Is there anything we can do under Florida law to get this reversed or is there some kind of action we can take against the school? It is a public high school in Florida. Do we need a lawyer? | d7vfnyv | d7vqq4x | 1,474,421,086 | 1,474,442,514 | 44 | 49 | Your action (at least your primary action) is against the lad with the skateboard. I'll assume for purposes of argument that his story is true. He didn't intend to assault your daughter. That said, intent to commit the particular offence (it's called the tort of assault) is different from the intent to swing the skateboard, which he clearly intended to do. You sue the lad in civil court. You obtain damages. There may be a parental responsibility statute in your state, such that the parents and/or insurance on their house or apartment (liability insurance) would cover. An action against the school would have to be predicated on the school's negligence, and any immunities under state law. You need to see a plaintiff's personal injury attorney as quickly as possible. First consultations are usually free. | My guess is that the school is expecting a law suit at this point. If you lawyer up I would assume a 6 figure settlement. Most likely will be the school board knowing and negligently allowed this person to attend school after multiple times where they showed themselves to be a danger. If you decide to sue they will have you sue the school, the persons parents that hit her, and most likely specific school staff... With the fact that school policy has already caused your daughter to be suspended, even though she had done nothing I would guess that action alone could contribute to additional violence. The everyones in the wrong here and not determining who aggressors are could be part of your case. I hope your step daughter is ok and that you decide what you want to do. My guess is that if you don't lawyer up the school district will not change and they will try to say you sued later (after they don't expunge) because you only cared they suspended your daughter not because you feel it was their negligence. | 0 | 21,428 | 1.113636 |
53qr48 | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | (Florida) A boy hit my step daughter in the face with a skateboard and broke her cheek. She wasn't even the target and has been suspended for 2 weeks for fighting My step daughter is in her junior year of high school. She was walking down the hall and turned a corner and was hit in the face by a skateboard by a freshman boy she had never met. It was witnessed by 3 teachers and 3 students who all said she was just walking and they never spoke before it happened. The boy who did it told the teachers who saw that he was wanted to hit the boy walking behind my step daughter and not her because he doesn't "even know that bitch". After he hit her he got in a fist fight with the boy who had been walking behind her and the police had to be called. My step daughter was unconscious and an ambulance was called. She has a broken cheek and had to spend the night in the hospital. Both her and the boy who hit her have been suspended from school for 2 weeks (10 days) for fighting. The principal won't take mine or my husband's calls and neither will the superintendent. We are frustrated beyond belief. The boy who hit her was arrested for assaulting my step daughter, for assaulting a teacher, for a assaulting a police officer and for having marijuana in his pocket. He was suspended for 10 days like my step daughter. The boy who was the target who was fought with him after was not suspended or arrested because he was "defending" himself. I can't believe how ridiculous this is because my step daughter was not fighting she was attacked, as per the teachers and the student witnesses. My step daughter was also told that she cannot come to school if she is prescribed pain medication and takes it because they don't allow students to attend school if they are using drugs. The police also believe was attacked and are not charging her. Her suspension means she is ineligible for all extra curricular activities and the honor roll for the rest of the school year. My step daughter has always been on the honor roll, and without this and the extra curricular activity she will be hampered if not lose her chance for a scholarship after she graduates next year. Is there anything we can do under Florida law to get this reversed or is there some kind of action we can take against the school? It is a public high school in Florida. Do we need a lawyer? | d7vplxd | d7vqq4x | 1,474,439,177 | 1,474,442,514 | 41 | 49 | Appealing the suspension probably has a procedure, but if the achool structure is failing you , I would get an attorney to write you a sternly worded letter. Frankly, you could draft it yourself, have them look it over to make sure everything's copacetic and persuasive cause what you really want is that bar number at the bottom. One page, formal layout- gist: daughter - name was assaulted, the following teachers and students witnessed it. Police (precinct/badge number) identify her as non participant bystander-victim during the incident. She did not fight back. It was on school property. She is now being suspended inappropriately. Suspension bears these (financial) consequences for her future. Suspension is appealed by daughter, parents, step parents. Due to the immediate nature of the situation, respond to this formal appeal in the next 24/48 hours or appeal will escalate to (superintendent/school board/mayor/lawsuit). Send certified mail, so you have a return receipt and know exactly when they receive it. Then if they do not respond, escalate with a similar letter to the next authority citing failure to address by the first. If you don't escalate promptly, you'll lose ground. I am not a lawyer, just have to deal with credit agencies and bureaucracy on the regs. | My guess is that the school is expecting a law suit at this point. If you lawyer up I would assume a 6 figure settlement. Most likely will be the school board knowing and negligently allowed this person to attend school after multiple times where they showed themselves to be a danger. If you decide to sue they will have you sue the school, the persons parents that hit her, and most likely specific school staff... With the fact that school policy has already caused your daughter to be suspended, even though she had done nothing I would guess that action alone could contribute to additional violence. The everyones in the wrong here and not determining who aggressors are could be part of your case. I hope your step daughter is ok and that you decide what you want to do. My guess is that if you don't lawyer up the school district will not change and they will try to say you sued later (after they don't expunge) because you only cared they suspended your daughter not because you feel it was their negligence. | 0 | 3,337 | 1.195122 |
xqqlky | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | CT- Closing on home in 2 weeks, realtor just called saying there is a lien on the house… My realtor just called saying the Seller has a lien on the house that I was about to close on in less than 2 weeks. They are being sued in court by former employer for supposedly defrauding them for 2.5 million ( sale price of the house in question was accepted at $725,000 ). Looks like I won’t be getting the house now… Calling the attorney in the am. Went through all the inspections and was just now waiting to close. Any advice on what to ask the attorney? Pissed off I spent time bidding and then arranging for all the inspections just to find out they knew they were being sued and put the house up anyway with the lien | iqb1raa | iqbiyn9 | 1,664,410,939 | 1,664,418,918 | 34 | 63 | Assuming they got title insurance (typically required for mortgages) finding out after would have been better since title insurance would be on the line for not catching the lien in time instead of OP. | How does the former employer have a lien on the house while the lawsuit is pending? Was a Lis Pendens filed? | 0 | 7,979 | 1.852941 |
xqqlky | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | CT- Closing on home in 2 weeks, realtor just called saying there is a lien on the house… My realtor just called saying the Seller has a lien on the house that I was about to close on in less than 2 weeks. They are being sued in court by former employer for supposedly defrauding them for 2.5 million ( sale price of the house in question was accepted at $725,000 ). Looks like I won’t be getting the house now… Calling the attorney in the am. Went through all the inspections and was just now waiting to close. Any advice on what to ask the attorney? Pissed off I spent time bidding and then arranging for all the inspections just to find out they knew they were being sued and put the house up anyway with the lien | iqbiyn9 | iqbbtzj | 1,664,418,918 | 1,664,415,554 | 63 | 22 | How does the former employer have a lien on the house while the lawsuit is pending? Was a Lis Pendens filed? | What are you saying doesn't exactly make sense. You can only have a lien if they put up their house as collateral for a debt, or the courts have already found them otherwise liable and attached the house. I guess the other side could have filed a lis pendis, or maybe some mechanics lien? Or maybe they have been court ordered to not liquidate assets? Either way a lien is usually an voluntary move, or court ordered by preponderance of the evidence. You may still can make this deal go through if the other 'employer' could okay the purchase, but I bet they want any proceeds to be put in escrow pending the resolution of their case. Its not a simple case that you are in, it may be easier to just walk away, but with the right agreements they might can make a deal where you buy the house and close. ​ I am not a lawyer, good luck. | 1 | 3,364 | 2.863636 |
xqqlky | legaladvice_train | 0.94 | CT- Closing on home in 2 weeks, realtor just called saying there is a lien on the house… My realtor just called saying the Seller has a lien on the house that I was about to close on in less than 2 weeks. They are being sued in court by former employer for supposedly defrauding them for 2.5 million ( sale price of the house in question was accepted at $725,000 ). Looks like I won’t be getting the house now… Calling the attorney in the am. Went through all the inspections and was just now waiting to close. Any advice on what to ask the attorney? Pissed off I spent time bidding and then arranging for all the inspections just to find out they knew they were being sued and put the house up anyway with the lien | iqdv4hd | iqeyqp9 | 1,664,469,030 | 1,664,484,639 | 4 | 10 | If the sale goes forward , you absolutely want Owners Title Insurance . This will protect your investment in the house . If they refuse to give title insurance for either lender or buyer, then walk away . | Title and foreclosure attorney. Don't take your realtor's word that there is a lien on the house. People file things all the time in the registry of deeds thinking by filing something it makes it true. No it doesn't, it just makes it so attorneys like me have to un-bury the truth and insure against the possibility of being wrong. | 0 | 15,609 | 2.5 |
vp0c64 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | School I work for is telling me I have to go 4 weeks without pay because of supervisor’s mistake. Located in Louisiana. I work for a boarding school and turn in paper time sheets. Those time sheets are signed by the supervisor and processed by a separate payroll person. My paycheck is showing up online as $0.00 and my supervisor told me it’s because she didn’t sign the time sheets before going on a week vacation. She contacted me later that day and said she was able to get them signed, but that our payroll lady is out with COVID so I’ll have to wait until next pay period to receive my check. That would be a total of 4 weeks without pay and I have bills due, to say the least. This is a public boarding school so the checks come directly from the state, but is there something I can do about this? I understand being out sick, but clearly this payroll period was processed before she got sick. I’m only not getting paid because my supervisor neglected to sign my time sheets before going on vacation. Is there any legal standing I have to get paid before next pay day? (Jul 15). | iegabr9 | ieh6lot | 1,656,683,639 | 1,656,696,882 | 130 | 150 | Keep track of all the damages you've suffered and try to figure out what damages you will suffer between now and 4 weeks from now. Ask your employer whether they'll be covering all of those damages or if they think it'll be cheaper and easier for them to pay you your earned wages now. If your employer does not cooperate, sue them in small claims court for your unpaid wages and all of the damages resulting from their failure to pay your wages on time. Alternatively, make a wage claim via the US Department of Labor (https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd ) It is your employer's sole responsibility to ensure that you are paid and paid on time. | To add to what other have advised. Escalate! Everyone has a boss. Keep going up the chain of command until you get someone willing to do something about your situation. Given you are paid by the state I would also consider contacting your state representatives. | 0 | 13,243 | 1.153846 |
vp0c64 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | School I work for is telling me I have to go 4 weeks without pay because of supervisor’s mistake. Located in Louisiana. I work for a boarding school and turn in paper time sheets. Those time sheets are signed by the supervisor and processed by a separate payroll person. My paycheck is showing up online as $0.00 and my supervisor told me it’s because she didn’t sign the time sheets before going on a week vacation. She contacted me later that day and said she was able to get them signed, but that our payroll lady is out with COVID so I’ll have to wait until next pay period to receive my check. That would be a total of 4 weeks without pay and I have bills due, to say the least. This is a public boarding school so the checks come directly from the state, but is there something I can do about this? I understand being out sick, but clearly this payroll period was processed before she got sick. I’m only not getting paid because my supervisor neglected to sign my time sheets before going on vacation. Is there any legal standing I have to get paid before next pay day? (Jul 15). | iegcmw4 | ieh6lot | 1,656,684,654 | 1,656,696,882 | 79 | 150 | 4 weeks is a long time to not get paid, but its unfortunately shorter than most remedies available to you. A report to the DOL or a civil suit would both take much longer than the next 2 weeks to resolve. Does your employer have the ability to give you an advance, or just manually cut you a check without going through payroll? I've seen many private employers just write a paper check to cover a mistake like this, or even pay the employee out of available petty cash, but I imagine your public employer is under more restrictions so might not be able to do that. | To add to what other have advised. Escalate! Everyone has a boss. Keep going up the chain of command until you get someone willing to do something about your situation. Given you are paid by the state I would also consider contacting your state representatives. | 0 | 12,228 | 1.898734 |
vp0c64 | legaladvice_train | 0.98 | School I work for is telling me I have to go 4 weeks without pay because of supervisor’s mistake. Located in Louisiana. I work for a boarding school and turn in paper time sheets. Those time sheets are signed by the supervisor and processed by a separate payroll person. My paycheck is showing up online as $0.00 and my supervisor told me it’s because she didn’t sign the time sheets before going on a week vacation. She contacted me later that day and said she was able to get them signed, but that our payroll lady is out with COVID so I’ll have to wait until next pay period to receive my check. That would be a total of 4 weeks without pay and I have bills due, to say the least. This is a public boarding school so the checks come directly from the state, but is there something I can do about this? I understand being out sick, but clearly this payroll period was processed before she got sick. I’m only not getting paid because my supervisor neglected to sign my time sheets before going on vacation. Is there any legal standing I have to get paid before next pay day? (Jul 15). | iehxvza | iehj7e5 | 1,656,708,164 | 1,656,702,040 | 5 | 3 | Someone said to keep escalating this up the chain, because everyone has a boss. Also, do they seriously only have one person who can sign off on time sheets and /pay? The payroll people only has one person who can process checks? What if these folks got hit by a bus? At my old job, there was always at least 2 people who could sign off on time sheets for payroll (besides the actual assigned supervisor ) and several people there and off site involved in processing. They need to work this out for you because it's their mistake. And if they don't have designated back ups for this situations, that's on them. Go to your state's department of labor and see what the rules are. They can't just say "oh, well...." and do nothing. They have to follow what is in your contract and have strict limits on their ability to withhold pay. Here's a link to the labor laws in Louisiana: https://www.employmentlawhandbook.com/employment-and-labor-laws/states/louisiana/wage-payment/#frequency-of-wage-payments | If they are promising to pay you the full amount owed on July 15, there is really little you can do via the legal system to get paid faster. Anyone telling you to contact DOL—by the time they get around to doing anything about it, you will have been made whole. Your better bet is trying to work with your workplace and see if there is any way for you to get paid earlier. They don’t owe you for “damages” you suffer due to their late payment, particularly not when it sounds like they’re just one pay period late, and others who have suggested that are very ill informed. | 1 | 6,124 | 1.666667 |
qw8jfd | legaladvice_train | 0.86 | [NY] We adopted a foster cat and now the foster is refusing to give him up Location: Brooklyn, NY, USA We recently adopted a cat through an adoption agency - went through the whole 9 yards, multiple zoom interviews, walkthrough of our apartment, travelled to meet the cat at the foster family and so on. We were approved for the adoption and paid the fee, and received the contract stating we were now the legal owners of the cat. On the day that we were scheduled to get the cat, the agency representative called me and said that he was waiting outside the foster place but they were refusing to give him the cat. Essentially they'd changed their mind about the adoption. He tried negotiating with them but they hung up on him and then wouldn't answer the phone (they wouldn't answer my texts when I texted them as well). We've waited several days and the agent has been unable to negotiate for the cat, even going as far as threatening to cut off the foster family from the agency (which entails cutting them off from food deliveries etc for the other foster cats, presumably they also wouldn't list the other cats that they had as well within their system). But it hasn't worked. The agency representative has been very good and has now offered to return our money, as well as comp us the fees for a future adoption. We don't have any issues with the agency, they have been very wonderful and helpful and I can tell that they are just us frustrated and upset as we are. However, they don't seem to think there is any legal avenue to force the foster family to give up the cat (they said the police wouldn't help etc as this is a "civil case"). Is this definitely the case? We wouldn't be fighting this so hard but we genuinely really liked the cat when we met him, and he seemed to get on well with us. At the moment he is still in the foster home and there were other cats there (including a feral cat). The foster home was also just a (quite crowded) apartment. We were wondering if it is worth contacting a lawyer, or the police, or the ASPCA or anything. Thanks for any help and advice. | hl1b5ku | hl1b92p | 1,637,182,940 | 1,637,182,982 | 4 | 34 | The ASPCA will not get involved nor the police — this is unfortunately a civil matter between the rescue and foster and you. Volunteer with a rescue in NYC — | Unfortunately, here you are only entitled to have the fee refunded. You will not be able to sue the foster or other parties to force them to let you have the cat. I know it's terribly disappointing, but the legal system doesn't really provide for remedies of specific performance in this type of dispute, like giving the cat to you. The court can only make you whole financially, which is in this case returning any fee paid to the agent you hired. | 0 | 42 | 8.5 |
yjhxd4 | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | (NYC) Got hit by a sanitation truck that was running a red light while my car was at complete stop. Should I get a lawyer? Got the police report, pics, and dash cam footage. My car's pretty much wrecked and I had to take ambulance to nearby hospital. All the "supervisors" called at the scene from the sanitation department told me to file the vehicular property damage claim form - and I'll be filing it - but was wondering if I should get a lawyer to do it for me. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. | iuny9g1 | iuo2i44 | 1,667,331,017 | 1,667,332,634 | 142 | 237 | Not a lawyer. You got a loss of vehicle, ambulance, and medical bills. You should start with your insurance and don't sign anything yet. The "supervisors" are looking out for their company, not you. A consult should be free, and not a bad idea. | You need to contact your insurance company first, and follow their directions. This is what you pay them for. Do not submit that form unless your insurance company directs you to. | 0 | 1,617 | 1.669014 |
yjhxd4 | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | (NYC) Got hit by a sanitation truck that was running a red light while my car was at complete stop. Should I get a lawyer? Got the police report, pics, and dash cam footage. My car's pretty much wrecked and I had to take ambulance to nearby hospital. All the "supervisors" called at the scene from the sanitation department told me to file the vehicular property damage claim form - and I'll be filing it - but was wondering if I should get a lawyer to do it for me. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. | iuo2i44 | iunvebq | 1,667,332,634 | 1,667,329,925 | 237 | 25 | You need to contact your insurance company first, and follow their directions. This is what you pay them for. Do not submit that form unless your insurance company directs you to. | There’s not real much point in getting a lawyer for property damage. You’re owed the fair market value of the car and there’s no real arguing that. If you had serious injuries then it’s lawyer time. | 1 | 2,709 | 9.48 |
yjhxd4 | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | (NYC) Got hit by a sanitation truck that was running a red light while my car was at complete stop. Should I get a lawyer? Got the police report, pics, and dash cam footage. My car's pretty much wrecked and I had to take ambulance to nearby hospital. All the "supervisors" called at the scene from the sanitation department told me to file the vehicular property damage claim form - and I'll be filing it - but was wondering if I should get a lawyer to do it for me. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. | iunvebq | iuny9g1 | 1,667,329,925 | 1,667,331,017 | 25 | 142 | There’s not real much point in getting a lawyer for property damage. You’re owed the fair market value of the car and there’s no real arguing that. If you had serious injuries then it’s lawyer time. | Not a lawyer. You got a loss of vehicle, ambulance, and medical bills. You should start with your insurance and don't sign anything yet. The "supervisors" are looking out for their company, not you. A consult should be free, and not a bad idea. | 0 | 1,092 | 5.68 |
yjhxd4 | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | (NYC) Got hit by a sanitation truck that was running a red light while my car was at complete stop. Should I get a lawyer? Got the police report, pics, and dash cam footage. My car's pretty much wrecked and I had to take ambulance to nearby hospital. All the "supervisors" called at the scene from the sanitation department told me to file the vehicular property damage claim form - and I'll be filing it - but was wondering if I should get a lawyer to do it for me. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. | iunvebq | iuoke7j | 1,667,329,925 | 1,667,339,499 | 25 | 65 | There’s not real much point in getting a lawyer for property damage. You’re owed the fair market value of the car and there’s no real arguing that. If you had serious injuries then it’s lawyer time. | Your insurance should be the point in talking to the sanitation department. Open a claim directly with YOUR insurance. Let them know you need a claim# to submit your medical claims. Once you have claim information, get that to the hospital and ambulance companies ASAP. If you paid out of pocket for anything, keep those paid invoices handy. GO TO A DOCTOR. Preferably one who is versed in handling PIP claims. Take ALL recommended treatment, including PT and imaging if they recommend it. THIS IS IMPORTANT. If there are any injuries that may be causing discomfort 6 weeks or years from now, you want that documented. Keep track of any lost work time due to doctors appointments, treatment, etc. Do not claim this as PTO. Keep a daily log of pain related to the accident, including daily 1-10 pain levels. ​ Your insurance should help take your documentation and roll it all into the final claim/settlement. | 0 | 9,574 | 2.6 |
yjhxd4 | legaladvice_train | 0.93 | (NYC) Got hit by a sanitation truck that was running a red light while my car was at complete stop. Should I get a lawyer? Got the police report, pics, and dash cam footage. My car's pretty much wrecked and I had to take ambulance to nearby hospital. All the "supervisors" called at the scene from the sanitation department told me to file the vehicular property damage claim form - and I'll be filing it - but was wondering if I should get a lawyer to do it for me. Any advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. | iupwf37 | iup10sm | 1,667,360,581 | 1,667,346,457 | 18 | 10 | STOP listening to people telling you not to talk to a lawyer! You only have 90 days to file a Notice of Claim to preserve your right to sue New York City in any civil matter - personal injury, property damage, etc. (https://www.nycourts.gov/legacyPDFs/courts/6jd/forms/SRForms/ntc_howto.pdf) They will call you in to give testimony at a 50-H hearing and so you will want a lawyer for that. Most personal injury attorneys work on contingency so you don’t have to pay upfront. A case against the city any decent attorney will be chomping at the bit to take. | You pay your car insurance for this, so reach out to them. Do not sign anything, making copies of all the proof you have, have back up of the back ups. You should still talk to a lawyer, because your insurance will only go after the cost of the vehicle, not the ambulance ride and tests that the hospital did on you. | 1 | 14,124 | 1.8 |
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