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ู‚ู„ุช ููŠ ุงู„ุจุฏุงูŠุฉ ุฃู†ู‡ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ู„ุฃู…ุฑ ุงู„ู…ู‡ู… ู„ูŠุณ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุถุฎู…ุฉุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู† ุชุญู„ูŠู„ู‡ุง.!
i said at the beginning that for the important matter, it is not big data, but its analysis.!
ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุนุฏุฉ ู…ุคุดุฑุงุช ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ููŠ ู†ู‚ุงุดู†ุง.
there are several important indicators in our discussion.
ุฃูˆู„ุงู‹ุŒ ููŠู…ุง ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุงุช ูˆุงุชุฎุงุฐ ุงู„ู‚ุฑุงุฑุงุชุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุคุดุฑุงุช ู…ุซู„ ู…ุซู„ ุงู„ุชู†ุจุฑุณุŒ ู†ุณุจุฉ ุงู„ุชู†ุจุฑุณุŒ ุณู†ูˆุงุช ุงู„ุชู†ุจุฑุณ .!
first, with regard to policies and decision making, there are indicators like enrollment, enrollment rate, enrollment years.!
ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุคุดุฑุงุช ููŠ ู…ู†ุธูˆู…ู‡ุง ูƒูƒู„ ุฌุฏ ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ูˆุจุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุถุฎู…ุฉ ู„ู‡ุง ุฏูˆุฑ ูƒุจูŠุฑ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ุฌุงู„.!
these indicators in their whole system are very important and big data has a big role in this field.!
ูˆู„ูƒู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุชุญุฏู ุขุฎุฑุŒ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุชู‚ุฏู… ู…ุนู„ูˆู…ุงุช ูˆุตุงุฆููŠุฉ ูู‚ุท ุญูˆู„ ู…ู†ุธูˆู…ุฉ ุงู„ู…ู†ุธูˆู…ุฉ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู…ูŠุฉ ูˆู„ูƒู†ู‡ุง ู„ุง ุชู‚ุฏู… ู…ุนู„ูˆู…ุงุช ูƒุงููŠุฉ ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ุญู…ุงุณ.!
but there is another challenge, which is that all this data provides just information about the educational system but it does not provide enough information about enthusiasm.!
ุญูˆู„ ุฌู„ุจุฉ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ูˆู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ู†ุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุนู„ูˆู…ุงุช.!
about the ado of education and we cannot get this information.!
ุฅู„ุง ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู„ุชุทุฑู‚ ุงู„ุชู†ู‚ู„ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุฏุงุฑุณ ูˆ ุงู„ุญุฏูŠุซ ู…ุน ุงู„ุฃุณุงุชุฐุฉ.!
except through moving from schools and talking to teachers.!
ุฅุฐุงู‹ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ู†ุดุฆ ูˆุณุงุฆู„ ู„ุชุฌุนู„ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ูŠุดุงุฑูƒ ูˆู„ูƒูŠ ู†ุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุนู„ูˆู…ุงุช ุฃูƒุซุฑ ู…ุตุฏุงู‚ูŠุฉ.!
so we should create methods to make everyone participate and get more credible information.!
ุฅุฐุงู‹ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุดุงุฑูƒ ุงู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุจุฅุจุฏุงุนู‡ู… ูˆูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุฃุฎุฐ ุฃูŠุถุงู‹ ุจุนูŠู† ุงู„ุงุนุชุจุงุฑ ุงู„ุงุจุชูƒุงุฑ ุงู„ุฅุจุฏุงุน.!
so everyone should participate with their creativity and we should also take innovation and creativity into account.!
ุงู„ู…ุจุงุฏุฆุŒ ูˆุงู„ู‚ุฏุฑุงุช ุงู„ุฐู‡ู†ูŠุฉุŒ ุงู„ู‚ุฏุฑุงุช ุงู„ุญูˆุงุฑูŠุฉ.!
principles, mental abilities, and conversational abilities.!
ูˆูƒูŠู ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ู†ุชุฑุฌู… ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู€ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุคุดุฑุงุช ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ู†ุญู„ู„ู‡ุง ููŠู…ุง ุจุนุฏุŸ!
and how can we translate all this data all this data into indicators that we can analyze later?!
ูˆูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชุตุจุญ ู…ููŠุฏุฉ ู„ู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ูˆุงู„ุชุนู„ู… ู„ู„ุชุนู„ู… ุฏุงุฎู„ ุงู„ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูˆุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงู„ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ.!
and it can be useful for education and learning to learn inside and outside school.!
ูˆูƒูŠู ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ู†ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุนู„ูˆู…ุงุช ูˆู†ู‚ุฏู…ู‡ุง ู„ู„ุชู„ู…ูŠุฐ ูˆู„ู„ุฃุณุงุชุฐุฉ.!
and how can we look at all this information and provide it to student and teachers.!
ู„ูƒูŠ ูŠุชู…ูƒู†ูˆุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุชูƒูŠู ู…ุน ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุนู„ูˆู…ุงุช ุฃุธู†.!
to be able to adapt to all this information .!
ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู†ุนู…ู„ ุนู„ูŠู‡ ุญุงู„ูŠุงู‹ุŒ ูˆูŠู…ูƒู† ู„ู‡ุฐุง ุฃู† ูŠุณุชุนู…ู„ ุจ ููŠ ุณูŠุงู‚ุงุช ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ.!
and we are currently working on this, and this can be used in different contexts.!
ุณูˆุงุกู‹ ููŠ ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ ุงู„ู…ุชู‚ุฏู…ุฉ ุฃูˆ ููŠ ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ ุงู„ู†ุงู…ูŠุฉุŒ ูˆุฃุธู† ุจุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ูŠุชุทู„ุจ.!
whether in the developed countries or developing countries, and i think that this requires.!
ูˆุชุญุฏุซุช ุนู† ุงู„ุชูƒู†ูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง ุงู„ุชูŠ ูˆุชุญู„ูŠู„ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ู‡ูŠ ู‚ู„ุช ุชุญุฏู ูƒุจูŠุฑ .!
and i talked about technology and data analysis i said it is a big challenge.!
ูˆู„ูƒู† ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ู†ุฃุฎุฐู‡ุง ุจู…ุนุฒู„ ุนู† ุชู‚ุฏู… ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ุฉ ูˆุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุงุณุชุนู…ุงู„ ุงู„ุฅู†ุชุฑู†ุช ุฃู… ู„ุง.!
but we cannot take it isolated from the progress of the country and the degree of using internet or not.!
ุดูƒุฑุงู‹ ุฌุฒูŠู„ุงู‹. ุงู„ุขู† ุณู†ู†ุชู‚ู„ ู„ู†ู‚ุทุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ู…ู‡ู…ุฉุŒ ูˆู‡ูŠ ู‡ูŠ ู…ุดุงุบู„ ุชุฎุตู†ุง ูƒู„ู†ุง ูƒุนุงู…ู„ูŠู† ููŠ ู…ุฌุงู„ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ูˆุงู„ุชุฑุจูŠุฉ.!
thank you very much. we will move now to another important point, and. these are concerns for us all as personnel in the field of education.!
ุชุญุฏุซุช ุนู† ุงู„ู…ุฎุงุทุฑ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชู‡ุฏุฏ ุงู„ุจุฑุงู…ุฌ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠุฉ .!
i talked about the risks that threaten the school programs.!
ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชุญุฏุซู†ุง ุฌูˆู† ุญูˆู„ ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู…ุฎุงุทุฑ ูˆู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ุญู…ูŠุฏุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ู†ุณุชููŠุฏ ู…ู†ู‡ุงุŸ!
can you talk to us John about what are the risks and what are the good things that we can benefit from?!
ุทูˆู†ูŠ ุนุฐุฑุงู‹ุŒ ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุฃู‚ุงุทุนุŸ ุฃู†ุง ูƒู†ุช ุฃุชูู‚ ู…ุน ู…ุง ู‚ุงู„ุชู‡ ุฏููŠู†ุง.!
Tony sorry, can i interrupt? i was agreeing with what was said by Divina.!
ุดูƒุฑุงู‹ ู„ู€ ุฌูŠู†ูŠูุฑ. ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุนุŒ ูƒู†ุช ุฃูˆุฏ ุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู†ูุณ ุงู„ุดูŠุก ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู‚ุงู„ุชู‡ ุฌูŠู†ูŠูุฑ.!
thanks for Jennifer. in fact, i would have liked to say the same as Jennifer.!
ุฅุฐุงู‹ ูƒู…ุง ู‚ู„ุชุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุฎุงุทุฑ ููŠู…ุง ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจุงู„ุชุฑุจูŠุฉ ูˆุงู„ุจุฑุงู…ุฌ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠุฉ.!
so as i said, there are risks related to education and school programs.!
ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ู†ู…ูŠ ุงู„ููƒุฑ ุงู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุฏูŠ ู„ุฏู‰ ุงู„ุชู„ุงู…ูŠุฐุŒ ู‡ุฐุง ุฃู…ุฑ ู…ู‡ู….!
we should develop the critical thinking of students, this is an important matter.!
ุฅุฐุงู‹ ูˆุฅุถูุงุก ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุตูŠุบุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ุงุณุชู…ุงุฑุงุช ุงู„ุชู‚ูŠูŠู…. ุฃุธู† ุจุฃู†ู‡ ุณูŠูƒูˆู† ู…ู‡ู…ุงู‹.!
so and adding this formula to all evaluation forms. i think it will be important.!
ุฅุฐุงู‹ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ู†ู‚ุฏ ู…ู† ูƒู„ ุฃุทุฑุงู ุฐุงุช ุงู„ุตู„ุฉ ู„ูƒูŠ ู†ุญุณู† ู…ู† ู…ู†ู‡ุง ู…ู†ุงู‡ุฌู†ุง.!
so we should get criticism from all the related parties improve our curricula.!
ุฅุฐุงู‹ ูŠุฌุจ ูู‚ุท ุฃู† ู†ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุฌู…ู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุชุŒ ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฅู„ู‰ ุฌูˆุฏุชู‡ุง ุฃูŠุถุงู‹.!
so we should not only look at this overall data, but also its quality.!
ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุชู…ูƒู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ุฐุงุŒ ูˆูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุณู‡ู„ ุจู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ู„ู„ุฃุณุงุชุฐุฉ.!
we should be able to do this, and should facilitate work for teachers through this.!
ู„ูƒูŠ ุชูƒูˆู† ู…ููŠุฏุฉ ู„ูƒู„ ุทุงู„ุจ ูˆู„ูƒู„ ู‚ุณู…ุŒ ูˆูŠุฌุจ ุฃูŠุถุงู‹ ุฃู„ุง ู†ุชู†ุงุณู‰ ุฏูˆุฑ ุงู„ุฅู†ุณุงู† ููŠ ูƒู„ ู‡ุฐุง.!
to be useful for each student and for every section, we should not also forget the role of human in all of that.!
ู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ูู‚ุท ุฃู† ู†ุนูˆู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุขู„ุงุช ูˆู†ุญู† ูƒุฃุณุงุชุฐุฉ ู†ุญู† ู†ู‚ุฏู… ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ู„ู„ุชู„ุงู…ูŠุฐ.!
we cannot only count on machines and as teachers we provide data to the students.!
ูˆู„ูƒู† ุฃุธู† ุจุฃู† ู†ู‚ุฏู‡ุง ูˆุชุญู„ูŠู„ู‡ุง ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„ ุงู„ุชู„ุงู…ูŠุฐ ุฃู…ุฑุงู‹ ุฃูŠุถุงู‹ ู…ู‡ู…ุŒ ูˆู‡ุฐุง ู…ุง ู†ุญุงูˆู„ ุฃู† ู†ุนู„ู…ู‡ ู„ุชู„ุงู…ูŠุฐู†ุง.!
but i think that criticizing and analyzing it by students is also an important matter, and this is what we are trying to teach to our students.!
ูˆุงู„ุชูุงุนู„ ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุฃุณุชุงุฐ ูˆุงู„ุชู„ู…ูŠุฐ ุฃูŠุถุงู‹ ุฃู…ุฑ ุฌุฏ ู…ู‡ู….!
and interaction between the teacher and student is also a very important matter.!
ูˆุนู„ู‰ ุนู„ู‰ ุตุนูŠุฏ ุงู„ู…ู†ุธูˆู…ุฉ ููŠ ุญุฏ ุฐุงุชู‡ุงุŒ ูุฅู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุดุงูƒู„ ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉ.!
and at the level of the system itself, there are big problems.!
ูˆู…ุซู„ุงู‹ุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ููŠู…ุง ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจู€ ุงู„ู…ู„ูƒูŠุฉ ู…ู„ูƒูŠุฉ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.!
and for example, there is regarding the property the property of this data.!
ู…ู† ูŠู…ุชู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุชุŸ ู„ูŠุณ ู„ูŠุณ ุงู„ุชู„ุงู…ูŠุฐ ู…ู† ูŠู…ุชู„ูƒู‡ุง ูˆู„ูŠุณ ุงู„ู…ูˆุงุทู†ูŠู†.!
who does own this data? it is not the students and not the citizens who own it.!
ุงู„ุขู† ู…ู† ู…ู† ู…ู† ูŠู…ุชู„ูƒูˆู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ู‡ู… ู…ุคุณุณุงุช ูƒุจูŠุฑุฉุŒ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.!
now who owns this data are major institutions, this data.!
ุญูƒูˆู…ุงุช ู…ุซู„ ู…ุง ู‚ุฑุฃ ู‡ุฐุง ููŠ ูุถูŠุญุฉ ุจุฑูŠุณู…. ุฅุฐุงู‹ ูˆู„ู‡ุฐุง ู…ุดูƒู„ ู†ูˆุงุฌู‡ู‡ ุฃูŠุถุงู‹ ููŠ ุชุฏุฑูŠุณู†ุง.!
governments as this was read in the scandal of Prism. so and this is a problem we face in our teaching.!
ูุงู„ุชู„ุงู…ูŠุฐ ุนุงุฏุฉู‹ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ูŠู‚ุฏู…ูˆู† ูˆูŠุญุงูˆู„ูˆู† ุชู‚ุฏูŠู… ูุฑูˆุถ ู…ุซู„ุงู‹ุŒ!
when students usually provide and try to provide hypotheses for example,!
ูู‡ู… ุฏุงุฆู…ุงู‹ ูŠููƒุฑูˆู† ู‡ู„ ู…ุง ูŠุณุชุนู…ู„ู‡ ูŠุฎุถุน ู„ู…ู„ูƒูŠุฉ ุฃู… ู„ุง ูŠุฎุถุน ู„ู…ู„ูƒูŠุฉุŸ!
they always think is what they use subject to property or not subject to property?!
ู‡ู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ู„ู„ุฌู…ูŠุน ุฃู… ู„ุงุŸ ุฅุฐุงู‹ ูˆุฃูŠุถุงู‹ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู‚ุถูŠุฉ ูˆุงุช ุฃุจูˆุช ุฐุง ุฑุงูŠุช ุชูˆ ููˆุฑุฌูŠุช.!
is this data for all or not? so and there is also as issue what about the right to forget.!
ุนู„ู…ุงู‹ ุจุฃู† ุงู„ุฃุฎุทุงุก ุฅู† ูŠูˆุฑูˆุจ ุขู†ุฏ ุฐุง ูุฑูŠู†ุด.!
knowing that mistakes in Europe and the French.!
ูˆู‡ูŠ ู…ู† ุจูŠู† ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ูุนู„ุงู‹ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุทุฑุญ ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ููŠ ุฃูˆุฑูˆุจุงุŒ ูˆุงู„ูุฑู†ุณูŠูˆู† ู…ู‡ุชู…ูˆู† ุฌุฏุงู‹ ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒ.!
and it is among the matters that are actually presented today in Europe, and the French are so much interested in that.!
ูˆู…ู† ุฌุงู†ุจ ุขุฎุฑ ุนู„ู‰ ุตุนูŠุฏ ุฌู…ุน ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุชุŒ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ุฃูŠุถุงู‹ุŒ ุงู„ุงุชุฌุงุฑ ุจู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.!
and on the other side at the level of data collection, there is also a problem, trading in this data.!
ููŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุนุฑู ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุญุฏูˆุฏ ูˆู…ุญุฏูˆุฏูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชุฌุงุฑุฉ ุฅู„ูƒุชุฑูˆู†ูŠุงู‹ุŸ!
so we should know what are the limits and limitedness of electronic trade?!
ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุนุฑู ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู…ุงุช ุงู„ู†ู‡ุงุฆูŠุฉ ู„ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ู†ุชุฌ ุฃูˆ ู„ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุงุฏุฉ ุงู„ุฎุงู… .!
we should know what the end uses of this product or this raw material are.!
ููŠ ุฅุทุงุฑ ุงู„ุชุฌุงุฑุฉ ุฅู„ูƒุชุฑูˆู†ูŠุงู‹ุŒ ูˆูƒูŠู ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุนู†ู‰ ุจุฐู„ูƒ ู„ูƒูŠ ู„ุง ุชุณุชุฎุฏู… ู„ุฃุบุฑุงุถ ุฏุนุงุฆูŠุฉ ูู‚ุท ู„ุง ุบูŠุฑ.!
in the frame of electronic trade, and how should we be concerned with that so that it cannot be used for propaganda purposes only.!
ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ุงู„ุนุฏูŠุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠู†ุจุบูŠ ุนู„ูŠู‘ูŽ ุงู„ุชููƒูŠุฑ ููŠู‡ุง.!
there are a lot of matters that i should think about.!
ูˆูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุฌุฑูŠ ุฐู„ูƒ ุนู„ู‰ ุตูŽุน ุนู„ู‰ ุตูุนุฏ ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉุŒ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุณุชูˆูŠุงุช ู…ุฎุชู„ูุฉ.!
and this should be done at various levels, at different levels.!
ูู†ุญู† ู…ุซู„ุงู‹ ู†ุญู† ุงู„ูุฑู†ุณูŠูˆู†.
we for example we French people.
ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ู„ุง ูŠุญู‚ ู„ู†ุง ู„ู†ู‚ูˆู„ุŒ ุฃูˆ ู„ู…ุงุฐุง ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุนูƒุณ ู…ู† ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠุญู‚ ู„ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ู‡ู†ุฏูŠุฉุŒ ุฃูˆ ุนู„ู‰ ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุฃูุบุงู†ูŠุฉุŒ ุฃูˆ ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ู…ู‡ู…ุง ูƒุงู† ุฅู„ู‰ ุขุฎุฑู‡ุŸ!
why do not we have the right to say, or why on the contrary of that we have the right to get Indian data, or Afghani data, or whatever etcetera?!
ู‡ุฐู‡ ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ูŠุชู†ุจุฃ ู„ู‡ุง ูƒู„ ุทุฑู ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุตุนูŠุฏ ุงู„ุฏูˆู„ูŠ ูˆู„ูŠุณ ูู‚ุท ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุตุนูŠุฏ ุงู„ูˆุทู†ูŠ.!
these are matters that should be predicted by every party at the international level not only the local level.!
ู„ุง ุณูŠู…ุง ูˆุฃู†ู‡ ูŠุฌุจ ุฃูŠุถุงู‹ ุฃู† ู†ู†ุธุฑ ุจู…ุณุฃู„ุฉ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ุชุบูŠุฑุงุช ุงู„ุญุงุตู„ุฉ ุงู„ูŠูˆู… ุนู„ู‰ ุตุนูŠุฏ ุจู„ุฏุงู† ูƒุซูŠุฑุฉ.!
especially that we should also look at the issue of those changes that happen today in many countries.!
ู‚ุงุฏ ุงู„ุงู†ุชุญุงู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฏูŠู…ู‚ุฑุงุทูŠุฉ ูˆูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุชุญุฏูŠุฏ ุญู‚ูˆู‚ ุงู„ูุฑุฏ.!
plagiarism led to democracy and how to determine the individual rights.!
ูƒูŠู ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ู†ุณุชุฎุฏู… ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ูˆุชุณุฎูŠุฑู‡ุง ู„ู„ุฃุบุฑุงุถ ุงู„ุฏุงุฎู„ูŠุฉ ููŠ ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ ู…ุงุŸ!
how can we use this data and harness it for internal purposes in some school?!
ูˆุนู†ุฏู…ุง ุชุฐู‡ุจ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุทุจูŠุจุŒ ูุฅู†ู‡ ูŠู‚ูˆู… ุจู€ ุงู„ ุจุฌู…ุน ู…ุนู„ูˆู…ุงุช ุฎุงุตุฉ ุจูƒุŒ ูˆุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ุจุนุฏ ุชุญู„ูŠู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู…ุนู„ูˆู…ุงุช.!
and when you go to doctor, he does collect information about you, then after analyzing this information.!
ูŠู‚ูˆู… ูุนู„ุงู‹ ุจู€ ูˆุตู ุงู„ุนู„ุงุฌ ู„ูƒ. ูŠุฌุจ ุฅุฐุงู‹ ุฃู† ู†ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ู…ุชุนู„ู‚ุฉ ุจุงู„ุชุฑุจูŠุฉ ูˆุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ู…ู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฒุงูˆูŠุฉ.!
he actually prescribes medicine for you. so we should look at the data related to education from this angle.!
ูˆู„ูƒูŠ ู†ู‚ูˆู„ ุจุฃู† ู‡ุฏูู‡ุง ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠ ูุนู„ุงู‹ ู‡ูˆ ุฎูŠุฑ ุงู„ูุฑุฏ ูˆุฎูŠุฑ ุงู„ุฌู…ุงุนุฉ ุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ.!
and to say that its primary objective is actually the good for individual and the good for group after that.!
ูˆุฃู† ู†ูƒูˆู† ุฃูŠุถุงู‹ ูˆุงุนูˆู† ุจุฃู† ุฌู…ุน ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุชุŒ ูˆุชุญู„ูŠู„ู‡ุงุŒ ูˆุชู‚ูŠูŠู…ู‡ุง ู„ูŠุณุช ุฅู„ุง ุฃุฏุงุฉ ูู‚ุท.!
and also to be aware that collecting, analyzing, and evaluating this data are just a tool.!
ูˆู„ูŠุณ ู„ู„ุญูƒู… ุฃูˆ ู„ู‚ูˆู‚ุนุฉ ุงู„ุจุนุถ ูˆุงู„ุขุฎุฑ ู…ุงุฐุง ุนู† ุฑุฃูŠูƒ ุฌูˆู†ุŸ ูŠู‚ูˆู„ ุงู„ุณูŠุฏ ู…ุงูƒุงูŠ.!
and not to judge or segregate some people and others what about your opinion John? says Mr. Mackay.!
ุดูƒุฑุงู‹ุŒ ุงู„ู…ุณุฃู„ุฉ ุชุชุนู„ู‚ ุจุงู„ุฏุฑุฌุฉ ุงู„ุฃูˆู„ู‰ ุจุงู„ูุนุงู„ูŠุฉ ูˆุงู„ูƒูุงุกุฉ ูู€ ู…ุง ู†ุญู† ู†ุตุจูˆ ุฅู„ูŠู‡ ู‡ูˆ ุฃู† ุชูƒูˆู† ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ูˆุถูˆุญุงู‹ ุจุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ู„ู†ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุตุนูŠุฏ ู…ุง ู†ุฑูŠุฏู‡ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.!
thanks, the issue is primarily related to effectiveness and efficiency so what we aspire is that things are getting more clear for us at the level of what we want from this data.!
ูˆุจุนุฏ ุฐู„ูƒ ู†ุนุฑู ุชู…ุงู…ุงู‹ ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุงู„ุชุนุงู…ู„ ู…ุนู‡ุงุŒ ู‡ู„ ุฃู† ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ู‡ุฐู‡ ู‡ูŠ ู„ูƒูŠ ู†ุชูู‡ู… ุจุดูƒู„ ุฃูุถู„ ู…ุง ู†ุฑูŠุฏู‡ ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู…ุŸ!
and after that we completely know how to deal with it, is this information to make us better understand what we want from education?!
ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุงู„ุชูŠ ู†ุณุนู‰ ุฅู„ูŠู‡ุง ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู…ุŒ ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงุฌุชู…ุงุนูŠุงู‹ุŒ ูˆุฏูŠู…ุบุฑุงููŠุงู‹ุŒ ุฅู„ู‰ ุขุฎุฑู‡ุŸ!
what are the matters we seek through education, and consequently through this data socially, and demographically, and so on?!
ูˆู†ุญู† ูƒู…ุคุณุณุฉุŒ ู„ู‚ุฏ ุฌู…ุนู†ุง ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุญูˆู„ ุงู„ู…ุชุนู„ู…ูŠู† ููŠ ูƒุงูุฉ ุฃู†ุญุงุก ุงู„ุนุงู„ู….!
and as an institution, we collected a lot of data about the educated people all over the world.!
ูˆู‚ุฏ ุชุฑูˆู„ู†ุงู‡ุง ู…ุน ุงุญุชุฑุงู… ูƒู„ ุณู…ุงุช ุงู„ุฎุตูˆุตูŠุฉ ูˆุณู…ุงุช ุงู„ู€ ูˆุณู…ุงุช ุงู„ู€ ุงู„ุณู…ุงุช ุงู„ุฃู…ู†ูŠุฉ ุนููˆุงู‹ ุงู„ู…ุชุนู„ู‚ุฉ ุจู‡ุง.!
and we [FIX:developed them] with respect for all privacy features. and the features the security features sorry related to it.!
ูู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ู„ูŠุณุช ู…ู„ูƒุงู‹ ู„ุฃูŠู ุจุฎู„ุงู ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุนูˆุฏ ู„ู‡ุŒ ูู‡ูŠ ู„ูŠุณุช ู…ู„ูƒ ู„ุง ุงู„ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูˆู„ุง ุงู„ุฌุงู…ุนุฉ.!
as this data is not a property of anyone other than the person to whom it belongs, it is not a property of the school or university.!
ูˆู„ุง ุงู„ู…ุคุณุณุฉ ูˆุบูŠุฑู‡ุง. ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ูู†ุญู† ุงู†ุทู„ุงู‚ุงู‹ ู…ู† ู‡ุฐุงุŒ ู†ู‚ูˆู„ ุจุฃู† ู…ุณุคูˆู„ูŠุชู†ุง ุชูƒู…ู† ูุนู„ุงู‹ ููŠ ุญู…ุงูŠุฉุŒ ูˆุงุญุชุฑุงู…ุŒ ูˆุงู„ุญูุงุธ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.!ยถ
and the institution or others. so based on this, we say that our responsibility actually lies in protecting, respecting and keeping this data.!ยถ
ู…ู‡ู…ุง ูƒุงู† ุฑุฃูŠ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ุคุณุณุงุช ุงู„ุนุงู„ู…ูŠุฉ ุงู„ูƒุจุฑู‰ ู…ุซู„ ุฌูˆุฌู„ ูˆุบูŠุฑู‡ุงุŒ ู…ู† ุฌุงู†ุจ ุขุฎุฑ.
whatever the opinion of these major global institutions like Google and others, on the other hand.
ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ุชุฃูƒุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุตูˆุชุŒ ู‡ู„ ุชูˆุฌุฏ ูŠุงุกุŸ
please check the sound, is there Y?
ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ุชุฃูƒุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุตูˆุชุŒ ู‡ู„ ู‡ูŠ ุถุงุฏ ุฃูˆ ุธุงุกุŸ
please check the sound, is it D or Z?
ูŠุฑุฌู‰ ุงู„ุชุฃูƒุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุตูˆุชุŒ ู‡ู„ ูŠูˆุฌุฏ ุชู†ูˆูŠู†ุŸ
please check the sound, is there a nunnation?
โ€ข ุฃู†ุง ุฃุชูู‡ู… ุชู…ุงู…ุงู‹ ุงู„ุดูˆุงุบู„ ุงู„ุชู‰ ุชู… ุงู„ุฅุนุฑุงุจ ุนู†ู‡ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุฃุณุงุณ ุฃู† ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุจุดูƒู„ู‡ุง ุงู„ู…ุชุฑูุน ุฌุฏุงู‹ ู„ุฃุบุฑุงุถู ุฎุงุตุฉ ุฌุฏุงู‹.!ยถ
โ€ข i completely understand the concerns that were expressed on the basis that using this data in its very high form for very special purposes.!ยถ
ู†ู‚ูˆู„ ุฃู†ู‡ ุฃู†ู‡ ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู„ุชุงุฑูŠุฎุŒ ู‚ุฏ ุณุงู‡ู…ุช ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุชุŒ ู„ุง ุณูŠู…ุง ุชุญู„ูŠู„ู‡ุง ุจุนุฏ ุฌู…ุนู‡ุง ูˆุชู‚ูŠูŠู…ู‡ุงุŒ ุณุงู‡ู…ุช ูุนู„ุงู‹ ุจุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจุฅู†ุฌุงุฒุงุช ุถุฎู…ุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุตุนูŠุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ุตุนูŠุฏ ุงู„ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠุฉ.!
we say that throughout history, data contributed, especially its analysis after collection and evaluation, it actually contributed to making massive achievements. at the level of humanity.!
ูˆุฃู† ู…ุง ู†ุดู‡ุฏู‡ ูˆู…ุง ุดุงู‡ุฏู†ุงู‡ ูุนู„ุงู‹ ู…ู† ุชู‚ุฏู… ููŠ ูƒุงูุฉ ุงู„ู…ูŠุงุฏูŠู†ุŒ ูˆุฃุนูˆุฏ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ ุฃูŠุถุงู‹. ุดูƒุฑุงู‹ ุฌุฒูŠู„ุงู‹ ู„ูƒู….!
and that the progress we witness and we actually witnessed in all fields, and i come back to that as well. thank you very much.!
ู‡ู„ ู„ูƒู… ุฃู†ุŒ ู‡ู„ ุชุฑูŠุฏูˆู† ุทุฑุญ ุณุคุงู„ ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ููŠ ุขุฎุฑ ุงู„ู‚ุงุนุฉุŸ ู‡ู„ ู„ู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุญุตู„ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ูŠูƒุฑูˆููˆู† ูŠู‚ูˆู„ ุงู„ุณูŠุฏ ู…ุงูƒุงูŠุŸ!
can you, do you want to ask a question there at the back of the room? can we get a microphone says Mr. Mackay?!
ุญุณู†ุงู‹ ู„ู†ุจุฏุฃ ู‡ู†ุง ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุงุชุฌุงู‡ ุชูุถู„ ุจุชู‚ุฏูŠู… ู†ูุณูƒ.!
well let's start here in this direction go ahead introducing yourself.!
ุงุณู…ูŠ ู…ุงู„ูˆู„ุงุŒ ูˆุฃู†ุง ู…ู† ู…ุคุณุณุฉ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ูˆุชุญุณูŠู† ุงู„ุฐุงุช.!
my name is Malola and i am from Education and Self-improvement Foundation.!
ุณุคุงู„ูŠ: ูƒูŠู ูŠู…ูƒู† ูุนู„ุงู‹ ุชุญุณูŠู† ูˆุงู„ุงุณุชูุงุฏุฉ ุจุฃูุถู„ ุดูƒู„ ู…ู…ูƒู† ู…ู† ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ู‡ุงู…ุฉ ุฌุฏุงู‹ุŸ!
my question: how can this very important data be actually improved and utilized in the best possible way?!
ุงุณู…ูŠุŒ ุนุฐุฑุงู‹ ู„ู… ู†ุณู…ุน ุชู…ุงู…ุงู‹ ุงุณู… ุงู„ุณูŠุฏ ุงู„ู…ุชุญุฏุซ.!
my name is, sorry we did not completely hear the name of Mr. speaker.!
ุงู„ู…ูˆุถูˆุน ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ููŠู…ุง ููŠู…ุง ูŠุฎุต ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุจุงู„ูุฑุฏ. ูˆุจู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ุงู„ุนุงู…ุŒ ูุฅู† ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ุจุญุฏ ุฐุงุชู‡ ู„ูŠุณ ุจู‡ุฏู ู†ู‡ุงุฆูŠ ุฅุทู„ุงู‚ุงู‹.!
the issue is related with regard to this data to the individual. and in general, education itself is not an ultimate goal at all.!
ูˆู‡ุฐุง ุฅุฐุง ู…ุง ู†ุธุฑู†ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ูˆุถูˆุน ู…ู† ุฒุงูˆูŠุฉ ุดุฎุตูŠุฉุŒ ูู…ู‡ู…ุง ูƒุงู† ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ูุฅู†ู‡ ูŠุณุงุนุฏ ุงู„ุดุฎุต ุนู„ู‰ ู„ู†ู‚ูˆู„ ุชุญุณูŠู† ู†ูุณู‡ุŒ ูˆุงู„ุญุตูˆู„ ุนู„ู‰ ูˆุธูŠูุฉ ุฌูŠุฏุฉุŒ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุง ู‡ู†ุงู„ูƒ.!
and this if we look at the issue personally, whatever this is, it helps the person let's say to improve himself, and get a good job, and so on.!
ูˆุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุตุนูŠุฏ ุงู„ูˆุทู†ูŠุŒ ูุฅู† ุฐู„ูƒ ูŠุณุงุนุฏ ุฃูŠุถุงู‹ ุนู„ู‰ ุชุญุณูŠู† ุงู„ู…ุนุทูŠุงุช ุงู„ู€ ุงู„ุงู‚ุชุตุงุฏูŠุฉ.!
and at the national level, it also helps to improve the economic data.!
ู„ุฐู„ูƒุŒ ูุฅู† ูุฅู†ู‡ ูŠุฌุจ ุฅุฐุงู‹ ุงู„ู†ุธุฑ ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ู†ุชู†ุงูˆู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุฎุงุตุฉ ุจุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ุนู„ู‰ ุตุนูŠุฏู ุนู„ู‰ ุตุนูŠุฏู ุนุงู„ู ุฌุฏุงู‹.!
so, these matters should be looked at when we handle this education-specific data. at a very high level.!
ุฃู†ุง ุฃุนู…ู„ ููŠ ููŠ ุฅุทุงุฑ ู…ุน ุจุนุถ ุงู„ู…ู‚ุงูˆู„ูŠู† ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ูŠุนู…ู„ูˆุง ููŠ ู…ุฌุงู„ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ูˆุงู„ุชุฑุจูŠุฉ.!
i work in a frame with some contractors who work in the field of education.!
ูˆุนุงุฏุฉู‹ ู…ุง ุฃูˆ ุจุงู„ุฃุญุฑู‰ ูŠุชุฃูููˆู† ุฃูˆ ุจุงู„ุฃุญุฑู‰ ูŠุดูƒูˆู† ู…ู† ุฃู† ู…ู† ู…ุญุฏูˆุฏูŠุฉ ูุนู„ุงู‹ ุงู„ู…ูˆุถูˆุน ู…ูˆุถูˆุน ุชุญู„ูŠู„ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุชุŒ ู„ุง ุณูŠู…ุง ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ู…ุชุนู„ู‚ุฉ ุจุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู….!
and usually or rather they complain or rather doubt the limitedness of the issue actually the issue of analyzing data, especially that related to education.!
ุดูƒุฑุงู‹ ุฌุฒูŠู„ุงู‹ ู„ุชูˆุฎูŠ ุงู„ุฅูŠุฌุงุฒ ู„ูƒูŠ ู†ุชู…ูƒู† ู…ู† ุฅุนุทุงุก ุงู„ูƒู„ู…ุฉ ู„ูƒู„ ู…ู† ุณูŠุทู„ุจู‡ุง.!
thank you very much for being brief to be able to give the floor for whoever will ask for it.!
ุฃู†ุง ู…ู† ูƒูˆู„ูˆู…ุจูŠุงุŒ ู…ู† ุฌุงู…ุนุฉ ูƒูˆู„ูˆู…ุจูŠุงุŒ ููŠ ู‚ุณู… ุงู„ุจูŠูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง. ูˆุงู„ุจูŠูˆู„ูˆุฌูŠุง ูƒู…ุง ู†ุนุฑูุŒ ุนู„ู…ุงู‹ ูŠุณุงุนุฏุŒ ูˆู‚ุฏ ุณุงุนุฏ ูƒุซูŠุฑุงู‹ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุนุฑูุฉ ุงู„ูุฑุฏ.!
i am from Colombia, from Colombia University, in biology department. and biology as we know, is a science that helps, and has helped a lot to know the individual.!
ูˆุฅู†ู‡ ู‚ุฏ ุนุฑูู†ุง ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู…ูˆุถูˆุนุŒ ุฃูŠ ุงู„ู…ุนู„ูˆู…ุงุช ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ูˆุงุณุนุฉ ุงู„ู†ุทุงู‚ ูˆุชุญู„ูŠู„ู‡ุง ู…ุง ุฃูุงุฏุช ุจู‡ ุงู„ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠุฉ ู„ุง ุณูŠู…ุง ุนู„ู‰ ุตุนูŠุฏ ุนู„ู‰ ุตุนูŠุฏ ูุฑุฒ ุงู„ู€ ุงู„ุฌูŠู†ูˆู… ุงู„ุฅู†ุณุงู†ูŠ.!
and it informed us of this topic, that is large-scale information and data and their analysis which benefited humanity especially at the level of sorting the human genome.!
ููƒูŠู ูŠู…ูƒู† ูุนู„ุงู‹ ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ูˆุงู†ุทู„ุงู‚ ุฐู„ูƒ ุชุทุจูŠู‚ู‡ ุนู„ู‰ ู…ูˆุถูˆุน ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู…ุŸ!
so how can it be applied to the issue of education through that and starting that?!
ุดูƒุฑุงู‹ุŒ ุฏุงู†ูŠุงู„ ู„ุงุณู†.
thanks, Daniel Lassen.
ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ู†ุชู†ุงูˆู„ ุงู„ู…ูˆุถูˆุน ู…ู† ุฒุงูˆูŠุฉ ุงู„ู‚ุงุจู„ูŠุฉ ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชุทุจูŠู‚ ุฃูˆ ุงู„ู‚ุงุจู„ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุนู…ู„ูŠุฉ.!
we should address the issue from the angle of applicability or the practical capability.!
ู„ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุชุŒ ู„ูƒูŠ ู†ุนุฑู ู…ุซู„ุงู‹ ู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ุงู„ู…ูˆุงุถูŠุน ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠู†ุจุบูŠ ุชุฏุฑูŠุณู‡ุง ู„ู„ุทู„ุงุจ.!
to use this data, to know for example what are the topics that should be taught to students.!
ุงู†ุทู„ุงู‚ุงู‹ ู…ู† ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุจุนุฏ ุฌู…ุนู‡ุง ูˆุชุญู„ูŠู„ู‡ุง.!
based on this data after collecting and analyzing it.!
ุดูƒุฑุงู‹ุŒ ูŠู‚ูˆู„ ุงู„ุณูŠุฏ ู…ุงูƒุงูŠ.
thanks, says Mr. Mackay.
ุณุฃุทู„ุจ ู…ู† ุฃุนุถุงุก ุงู„ู…ุงุฆุฏุฉ ุงู„ู€ู…ุณุชุฏูŠุฑุฉ. ุนุฐุฑุงู‹ุŒ ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุดูƒุฑูƒู…ุŒ ูˆุฃู† ุฃู‚ูˆู„ ู„ูƒู… ุจุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุด ูƒุงู† ุฌูŠุฏุงู‹ ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉุŒ ูˆู„ู‚ุฏ ุฃุณู‡ู…ุชู… ุจู‡ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃุจุนุฏ ุงู„ุญุฏูˆุฏ.!
i will ask the round table members. sorry, i want to thank you, and to tell you that this discussion was extremely good, and you contributed to it to the fullest.!
ูˆุจุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ู†ุญู† ู†ูˆุตูŠ ุจุงู„ู€ ุจุงู„ู…ุถูŠ ููŠ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ู†ู‚ุงุด.!
and therefore we recommend to proceed with this discussion.!
ูˆู„ูƒู† ูŠุฌุจ ุฃู† ุชู„ุฎุตูˆุง ููŠ ุฎุชุงู… ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุญู„ู‚ุฉ ุจู€ุฅุนุทุงุฆู†ุงุŒ ุฃูˆ ุจุงู„ุฃุญุฑู‰ ุจุงู„ุฅุนุฑุงุจ ู„ู†ุง ุนู† ุงู„ุฑุณุงู„ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชุฑูŠุฏูˆู† ูุนู„ุงู‹ ุฅุทู„ุงู‚ู‡ุง.!
but you should summarize at the end of this session by giving us, or rather expressing to us the message that you actually want to launch.!
ูู…ุง ู‡ูŠ ูƒูŠู ูุนู„ุงู‹ุŒ ูƒูŠู ุชู…ูƒู†ุชู… ู…ู† ุฅุฏุฑุงูƒ ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ุจู€ ููŠ ุฃุณุงุณู‡ุง ู„ู„ุชู‚ุฏู… ุฃูˆ ู„ุฏูุน ุงู„ุฃู…ูˆุฑ ู‚ุฏู…ุงู‹.!
how actually, how could you realize the matters basically to move forward or to push things forward.!
ุงู„ุณูŠุฏ ุจูˆุฑุชุง ุฅู† ู„ู… ุชูƒู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู…ู† ุจูŠุงู†ุงุชุŒ ูู„ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฅุทู„ุงู‚ุงู‹ ุงู„ุญุตูˆู„ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ุดูŠุกุŒ ูˆู‡ุฐุง ูŠุชุทู„ุจ ูุนู„ุงู‹ ุฃู† ูŠุฌุฑูŠ ุฌู…ุน ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.!
Mr. Purta if there is no data, nothing can be got at all, and this actually requires data to be collected.!
ูˆ ูˆุถุน ุงู„ูˆู‚ุช ุงู„ูƒุงููŠ ู„ู„ุชู…ูƒู† ู…ู† ุชุญู„ูŠู„ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.!
andsetting enough time to be able to analyze this data.!