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ูู ุฅูู ุฃูู ูุฐูุจ. | is to where we are going. |
ูุงูุดูุก ุงูุขุฎุฑ ูุงู ุงูุชุดุงู ุฌูุฏุฉ ุงูุชุนููู
ุงูุฐู ููุฏู
ู. | the other thing was to find out what the quality of education we are providing. |
ูุฐุง ุฃูุดุฃูุง ุจุฑูุงู
ุฌูุง ูุณู
ู ุชูููู
ุงูู ุจู ุณู ููุชุนููู
ุงูุฃุณุงุณู. | so we devised a program called ABC, assessment of basic education. |
ูุฃุฑุฏูุง ุฃู ููุฏู
ู ุฅูู ูู ู
ู ูู
ูู ุณู 11 ุนุงู
ูุง ูู ุจูุบูุงุฏูุด. | and we wanted to give it to all 11 year olds in Bangladesh. |
ููุฑู ู
ุง ุงููุณุจุฉ ุงูู
ุฆููุฉ ูุงูุชุณุงุจ ุงูููุงุกุงุช ุงูุฃุณุงุณูุฉ ูู ุณู 11 ุนุงู
ูุง. | and see what percentage of 11 years olds attained basic competencies. |
ููู ุนุงู
ุฅุฐุง ูุงูุช ุชุชุญุณู. | and every year if it was improving. |
ุซู
ุนุฑููุง ุฃู ูุธุงู
ูุง ุงูุชุนููู
ู ูู ุงููุงูุน ูุงู ูุคุฏู ุจุดูู ุฌูุฏ ุชู
ุงู
ูุง. | then we knew that our educational system was actually doing quite good. |
ุจุนุจุงุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู ุฅูู ู
ูุชุฌ. | in other words they are productive. |
ูุฐูู ูุฐุง ูู ููุน ุงูุฃุดูุงุก ุงูุฐู ุฃุฑุฏูุง ุฃู ูุนุฑูู. | so this is the kind of things we wanted to know. |
ู
ุง ุฅุฐุง ูุงู ุงููุธุงู
ุงูุชุนููู
ู ุงูุงุจุชุฏุงุฆู ูููุฑ ุงูุชุนููู
. | whether is either primary education system providing education. |
ุงูุฐู ูู
ุง ุชุนุฑููู ูุญุณู ููุงุกุงุช ุฃุทูุงููุง ุฐูู 11 ุนุงู
ูุง. | which is you know improving the competencies of our 11 year olds. |
ูุฐุง ุฑูุฒูุง ููุท ุนูู ุณู 11 ุนุงู
ูุง. | so we just concentrated on 11 year olds. |
ูุฃูู ุจุนุฏ 5 ุณููุงุช ู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุงูุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูุฉ. ุชููู ูู ุณู 11 ุนุงู
ูุง. | that is the after 5 years of primary education. you are at the age of 11. |
ูุฐุง ุฅุฐุง ูู
ุชุฐูุจ ุฃุจุฏูุง ุฅูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูู ุณู 11. | so either if you have never been to school at the age of 11. |
ุฅุฐูุง ุจูุถูุญ ูู ุชููู ููุงู ููุงุกุงุช ุฃุณุงุณูุฉ ูุฏูู. | so obviously your basic competencies were not be there. |
ููู ุฃุญูุงููุง ุฅุฐุง ุญุตูุช ุนูู 3 ุณููุงุช ููุท ู
ู ุงูุชุนููู
ูุงูุช ููุงุกุงุชู ุงูุฃุณุงุณูุฉ ูุง ุจุฃุณ ุจูุง. | but sometimes if you had only 3 years of education your basic competencies were okay. |
ูุนู
. | yeah. |
ููุฌุฏูุง ุฃูุถูุง ุฃู 20ูช ู
ู ุงูุฃุทูุงู. | and we also found that 20% of the children. |
ุงูุฐูู ุฃูู
ููุง 5 ุณููุงุช ู
ู ุงูุชุนููู
ูู
ูุญูููุง ุงูููุงุกุฉ ุงูุฃุณุงุณูุฉ. | who completed 5 years of education did not attain the basic competency. |
ูุฐูู ูุฎุจุฑูุง ุฃูุถูุง ุจูุตุฉ ู
ุง ูุญุฏุซ ูู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงูุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูุฉุ 5 ุณููุงุช ู
ู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณุฉ ุงูุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูุฉ. | so that is also told us the story of what happens in primary schools, 5 years of primary school. |
ูุฐุง ุชุนูู
ูู ุฃูุง ู
ุชูู ู
ุนูู
ุฌู
ูุนูุง. | you know I agree with all of you. |
ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ุงูุถุฎู
ุฉ ู
ูู
ุฉ ูุถุฑูุฑูุฉ ูู
ุญุงููุฉ ููู
ุงููุธุงู
ุจุฃูู
ูู. | that big data is necessary to try and understand the whole system. |
ูุฏุฑุฉ ุงููุธุงู
ูู
ุง ุชุนุฑููู ุนูู ุชูุฏูู
ูุงุชุฌ ุฃูุถู ูู ุงูุชุนููู
. | the ability of the system you know to better outcome in education. \ |
ูุญุชุงุฌ ุฅูู ููู
ุฐูู ู
ู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ุงูุถุฎู
ุฉ. | we need to understand that from big data. |
ุดูุฑูุง ููู
. ุดูุฑูุง ููู
. | thank you. thank you. |
ุงุณู
ุญูุง ูู ุจุงูุถุบุท ุนูู ุฒุฑ ุงูุฅููุงู ุงูู
ุคูุช ุงูุขู ูู ุงูุฌุฒุก 2. | let me put the pause button at the moment on part 2. |
ูุฃููู ุฃุนุชูุฏ ูุนููุง ุฃููุง ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ููุท ุฅูู ุชูุงูู. | because I do think that we just need to address . |
ู
ุง ุงูุชูุทู ููุง ุจุงุนุชุจุงุฑู ุงูุฌุฒุก ุงูู
ูููุฏ ู
ู ุญูุงุฑูุง. | what I am picking us as being the missing parts of the conversation. |
ูููููู
ููุท ุจุถุจุท ุฃููุณูุง ูู3 ุฑุณุงุฆู ุงูุชู ุณู
ุนุชูุง. | and just to discipline ourselves to 3 messages that I have heard. |
ุฃููุง ูู
ููู ู
ุง ูููู ุนู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ุงูุถุฎู
ุฉ ูู ุฎุฏู
ุฉ ู
ุคุณุณุงุช ุงูู
ูุชุนูู
. | that we have not said enough about big data in the service of learner agency. |
ูู
ููู ู
ุง ูููู ุนู ุชูู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ุงูุถุฎู
ุฉ. | we have not said enough about big data. |
ูู ุฎุฏู
ุฉ ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ูุถุน ู
ูุงููู
ุทุจูุนุฉ ุงูุชุฏุฑูุณ ูุงูุชุนููู
ูุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูุงููุตูู. | in the service of reconceptualizing the nature of teaching and learning and schooling and classes. |
ููุญู ูู
ููู ู
ุง ูููู ุญูู ููููุฉ ุฃููุง ูู
ูู ุฃู ุชุฎุฏู
ููุงู ู
ู ุงูู
ุชูุฏู
ูุงููุงู
ู. | and we have not said enough about how it can serve both developed and developing. |
ูุฐูู ูู ูู
ูููู ุฃู ุฃุทูุจ ู
ูู ุงูุชุนููู ุนูู ุฃู ุฌุฒุก. | so can I ask you just to make a comment on any part. |
ุนูู ู
ุง ุณู
ุนุชู
ูู ูููู ุงูุฃุฑุถูุฉ ุงูู
ูููุฏุฉ. | of what you have heard as being the missing territory. |
ูููู ูู
ูู ุฃู ุชุฑูุฏ ุงูุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ุจุณุฑุนุฉ. | and how you might quickly want to respond. |
ูุจู ุฃู ููุชูู ุฅูู ู
ุดููุฉ ุฃูุซุฑ ุชุนููุฏูุง. | before we move on to some even more controversial issue. |
ูุฐุงุ ุฅูู
ูููู ูู ุชุฑุบุจ ูู ุงูุฏุฎูู ุฅูู ุฌุฒุฆูุฉ ุงููุงู
ูุฉ-ุงูู
ุชุทูุฑุฉ. | so, Emilio do you want to come in on the developed-developing piece. |
ูุนู
ุจุงูุชุฃููุฏ. ุฃูุฏ ุฃู ุฃููุฑ ุจุงุนุชุจุงุฑ ุฃู ุงูู
ุนููู
ุงุช ู
ุซู ุงูุจุชุฑูู ูู ุงููุฑู 21. | yeah sure. I like to think as the information as the oil of the 21 century. |
ูุชุญูููู ู
ุซู ู
ุญุฑู ุงูุงุญุชุฑุงู. | and analytic as the combustion engine. |
ูุนูุฏู
ุง ูุดุงูุฏ ู
ุฌููุฏ ุงูุจูุงูุงุชุ ูุจุฐู ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ุงูุฌูุฏ ูู ู
ูุก ุฎุฒุงู ุงูุจุชุฑูู. | and when we see the data effort, we put a lot of effort of fueling the oil bank. |
ููู ุนูุฏู
ุง ูุง ูุณุชุฎุฏู
ูุง ููุชุญููู ู
ุง ุงูุฐู ูู
ูู ูุนูู ุจุชูู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช. | but then we do not use it for analyzing what we can do with that data. |
ูุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ูุฐุง ูู ุงูุชุญุฏู ุงูุฃูุจุฑ ูุฏููุง. | and I think that is the biggest challenge that we have. |
ุฃููุง ูู
ูุง ุจุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ุงูุนู
ู ูุฌู
ุน ุงูุจูุงูุงุช. | that we have done a lot of work collecting data. |
ูุฏููุง ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ุงูู
ุดุฑูุนุงุช ุงูุฑุงุฆุนุฉ ุญูู ุฐูู ุงูุตุฏุฏ. | we have a lot of nice projects around that regard. |
ููู ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ุนูููุง ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ูุฐู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ุจุงููุนู ุนูู ูุทุงู ุฃูุณุน. | but I think that we have to really use that data more widely. |
ููุถุน ุชูู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ููุณ ููุท ูู ูุฏ ุงูุญููู
ุฉ. | and put that data not just in hands of government. |
ูุถุน ุชูู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ู
ุชุงุญุฉ ููุฃูุงุฏูู
ููู ููููุงุณ. | put that data available for academia and for people. |
ููููู ูุฏููู
ููู
ูุถู ูููููุฉ ุนู
ู ูุธุงู
ูู
ุงูุชุนููู
ู. | to have a better understanding how their education system work. |
ูุฃูุง ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ุงูุชุญุฏู ุงููุจูุฑ ููุจูุงูุงุช ุงูุถุฎู
ุฉ. | and I think that is the big challenge with big data. |
ู
ุญุงููุฉ ุฅุชุงุญุฉ ุชูู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ููู
ูุนูู
ูู ูู ุงููุตูู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณูุฉ. | trying to put that data available to teachers around classrooms. |
ุญุชู ูุชู
ูููุง ู
ู ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ุญูุซ ูุธููู ุฃููุง ุฃูุถู ูุณููุฉ ูุฏููู
ููู
ุชุงุจุนุฉ. | so they can use the data as they think is the best way for them to proceed. |
ูุฌุนู ุชูู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ู
ุชุงุญุฉ ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ุณููุญุฏุซ ูุงุฑููุง ูุจูุฑูุง. | and making that data available I think will make a big change. |
ูุนู
. | yeah. |
ูุฃููุง ุนูุฏู
ุง ูุถุน ุจูุงูุงุช ูู ุฃูุฏู ููุฉ ููููุฉ ูุณูุชู
ุชุฎุฒูู ุชูู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช. | because when we put a data in the hands of just a few that data will get stored. |
ุณุชููู ููุงู ููู ูู ูุชู
ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ูุง. | will be there but will not get used. |
ุดูุฑูุง ููู
. ุฏููููุง. | thank you. Divina. |
ูุนู
ู
ุง ูููููู ูู ุจุณุจุจ ููููุง ู
ุญูุณุจุฉ ูุณุชุตุจุญ ู
ูุญุฏุฉ. | yes my concern is that because it is computerized is going to become standardized. |
ููู
ููู ุฃู ุชุฑุงู ูุฃุชู ู
ู ุญูุซ ูู
ุง ุชุนุฑููู ู
ูุงุฑูุฉ ุงููุชุงุฆุฌ ุจุงูุขุฎุฑูู ุฅูุฎ ุฅูุฎ. | and you can see it coming in terms of you know results comparison to others etc. etc. |
ููุฐุง ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃููุง ูุง ุชุญุชุงุฌ ุฃู ุชุฃุชู ุจุชุบููุฑ ูุงู
ู. | and so I think it does need to come with a whole change. |
ููุธุฑุชูุง ูุนูุงูุฉ ุงูุชุฏุฑูุณ. | of how we see the teaching relationship. |
ููู ูุฐู ุงููุญุธุฉ ูุญู ูุง ููุนู ุฐูู. | and at the moment we are not doing that. |
ูููุช ู
ุญููุง ูู ุงูุฌู
ููุฑ ููุฅุดุงุฑุฉ ุฅูู ุฐูู. | and you were right in the audience to point that out. |
ูู ุฃููุง ู
ุง ุฒููุง ูููุฑ ูู
ุง ุฒููุง ููุธู
ู
ุนุธู
ู
ุคุณุณุงุชูุง ูู ู
ุณุชูุฏุนุงุช. | is we still thinking and we still organizing most of our institutions in silos. |
ูุฅุฐุง ูู
ูุฌุฏ ุทุฑูููุง ูุชูุงุฏู ุฐูู. | and if we do not find a way around that. |
ุงูุฐู ูู ุฃุจุนุฏ ู
ู ุงูุชุญูููุงุช. | which is beyond analytics. |
ูู ุญูู ุฅุทุงุฑูุง ุงูุนููู. | it is about our mind frame. |
ูููู ูู
ูููุง ุชูุฌูู ุฃููุณูุง ุฃู ุจุงูุฃุญุฑู ุชูุฌูู ุงูู
ุชุนูู
ูู ูุฏููุง ูู ุงููุฑู ุงู 21. | and how we project ourselves or rather we project our learners in the 21st century. |
ูุฃููุง ููุชู
ู ุฅูู ุงููุฑู 19. | because we belong to the 19th. |
ูุญู ูุณูุง ุฃูุถู ู
ูุงู ููุนู ู
ุง ููุทูุจ ู
ูุง ูุนูู. | we are not the best place to do what we are asked to do them. |
ููู ูุฐุง ุงูุฎูู ูู ุฃููุง ูุณุชุฎุฏู
ูุง ุจุงูุทุฑููุฉ ุงูุชู ุงุนุชุฏูุง ุฃู ูุนุฑู ููู ูุณุชุฎุฏู
ูุง. | but this is the fear is that we use it the way we used to know how to use it. |
ูุฐุง ุงุนุชูุฏ ุฃู ุนูููุง ุฃู ููุดุฑู ุงูุดุจุงุจ ูุงูู
ุชุนูู
ูู ู
ุจูุฑูุง ูู ุฐูู. | and so I think we have to engage young people and learners very early in that. |
ููุง ูุดุชุฑุท ุฃู ูููู ู
ู ุฎูุงู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ุงูุถุฎู
ุฉ ุนุจุฑ ุงูุฅูุชุฑูุช ููุท. | and it does not have to be via big data only online. |
ูุฐูู ูุนุงูุฌ ูุถูุฉ ุงูุชูู
ูุฉ. | and that addresses the development issue. |
ูู
ููู ูุนู ุฐูู ุฏูู ุงุชุตุงู. | you can do that offline. |
ุฃุนูู ูุฐู ุงูุฎุฑุงุฆุท ุงูุฐูููุฉ ุงูุชู ููุช ุฃุธูุฑูุง ููู
ุ ูู
ูููู
ุฑุณู
ูุง ุจุงููุฏ. | I mean these mental maps that I was showing you, you can draw them by hand. |
ูุง ุชุฒุงู ุชุณุงุนุฏูู
ูู ู
ุนุฑูุฉ ู
ููุนูู
ุจุงูุชุญุฏูุฏ ูู ุนููููู
. | it still helps you locate yourself in your brain. |
ูุงูุชุญุฑู ูุญู ู
ูุงูุฌ ุจูุงุฆูุฉ ูุฅุฏุฑุงููุฉ. | and to move towards a constructivist and the cognitive approaches. |
ุงูุชู ูุญุงูู ุงูุชุนููู
ุงูุฅููุชุฑููู ุงูููุงู
ุจูุง ุนุจุฑ ุงูุฅูุชุฑูุช. | that E-learning has been trying to do online. |
ุฃุฑู ุฎุทุฑ ุงูุชุฑุงุฌุน ุงููุนูู ูู ุงูุฃุณุงููุจ ุงูุชุฑุจููุฉ ุงูุฌุฏูุฏุฉ ูุงููุตูู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณูุฉ ุงููุดุทุฉ ูุงููุตูู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณูุฉ ุงูู
ุนููุณุฉ. | I see a risk of actual regression of new pedagogies and the active classroom and the inverted classrooms. |
ุงูุชู ุชู
ููุง ู
ู ุงูุฏูุน ูู
ุฏุฑุจูู ูู
ุนูู
ูู ูู ุงูุชุนููู
ุงูุฅููุชุฑููู. | that we have been able to push as E-learning teachers and trainers. |
ุฅุฐุง ูู
ููุชุจู ุฅูู ูุฐุง ุงูุนุงูู
ู
ู ุงูุชุญูููุงุช. | if we did not pay attention to this world of analytics. |
ุฌูู ูู ูู
ูู ุฃู ุฃุทูุจ ู
ูู ุฃู ุชูุชุธุฑ ูุญุธุฉ ูุงุญุฏุฉ. | John can I ask you to hold for one moment. |
ูุนู
. | yeah. |
ูู ูู
ูู ุฃู ุขุชู ุฅูู ุฌููููุฑ. | can I come to Jennifer. |
ุซู
ุฃุฑูุฏ ุฃู ุฃุนูุฏ ุฅูู ุงูุฌุฒุก ุงูุชุงูู ู
ู ุงูู
ุญุงุฏุซุฉ. | then I want to come back in on the next part of conversation. |
ุญูุซ ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃููู
ุณุชููููู ูุงุฏุฑูู ุนูู ุงูุชูุงุตู ุจุดูู ู
ู
ุชุงุฒ ุชู
ุงู
ูุง. | where I think you will be able to connect pretty perfectly. |
ูุนู
. | yeah. |
ุฌููููุฑ ู
ุง ูู ุดุนูุฑู ุชุฌุงู ุงูู
ุญุงุฏุซุงุช. | Jennifer what your sense about the conversations. |
ู
ุง ูุชุนูู ุจุดูู ุฎุงุต ุจู
ุคุณุณุงุช ุงูู
ุชุนูู
ููู
ูุฐุฌ ู
ุฎุชูู ููุชุนููู
. | particularly in relation to learner agency and a different model of learning. |
ุฃุนุชูุฏ ูู ุณุจุจ ุฃููู ููุช ู
ู ูุจู. | I think which is why earlier I said you know. |
ุฃูุฏ ุงูุญุฏูุซ ุนู ุงูุชุญูููุงุช ุงูุชุนููู
ูุฉ ู
ู ูุฌูุฉ ูุธุฑู ุจุฏูุงู ู
ู ุงูุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ุงูุถุฎู
ุฉ. | I would rather talk about learning analytics from my perspective rather than big data. |
ุฃุธู ุฃููุง ูุชุญุฏุซ ููุง ุนู ู
ุฌู
ูุนุชูู ู
ู ุงูู
ุคุดุฑุงุช ูู
ุฌู
ูุนุชูู ู
ู ุงูููุงุณุงุช ุฅุฐุง ุฌุงุฒ ูู. | I think here we are talking about 2 sets of indicators and 2 sets of measurements if I may. |
ูุฌุนู ู
ูุงูุดุงุชูุง ู
ูุทููุฉ. | to make sense of our discussions. |
ูุนู
. | yeah. |
ุฅุญุฏุงูุง ุนูู ู
ุณุชูู ุงููุธุงู
ุ ู
ุณุชูู ุงูุณูุงุณุฉุ ุงุชุฎุงุฐ ุงููุฑุงุฑ. | one is at a system level, a policy level, decision making. |
ุชุนูู
ูู ุงูู
ุคุดุฑุงุช ุงูุชู ูู ู
ุซู ู
ุง ุชุนูู
ูู ู
ุนุฏูุงุช ุงูุชุณุฑุจ ู
ู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุญุณููุงุ ุณููุงุช ุงูุงูุชุญุงู. | you know indicators that are particularly like you know school attrition rates okay, years of enrollment. |
ูุฐู ู
ุคุดุฑุงุช ู
ุณุชูู ุงููุธุงู
ููุธุงู
ุงูุชุนููู
ู
ูู
ุฉ ููุบุงูุฉ. | these are system level indicators of the education system very important. |
ููู ูุฐุง ููุนูุง ู
ุง ุญูุซ ูุฏู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ุงูุถุฎู
ุฉ ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู
ุง ุชุณุงูู
ููู ุญุณููุง. | but these are a sort of where big data has a lot to contribute to alright. |
ูุชุนูู
ูู ุฅูู
ูููู ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ุงูุถุฆููุฉ. | and you know Emilio talked about little data. |
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