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ู‡ูŠ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฃูŠู† ู†ุฐู‡ุจ.
is to where we are going.
ูˆุงู„ุดูŠุก ุงู„ุขุฎุฑ ูƒุงู† ุงูƒุชุดุงู ุฌูˆุฏุฉ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู†ู‚ุฏู…ู‡.
the other thing was to find out what the quality of education we are providing.
ู„ุฐุง ุฃู†ุดุฃู†ุง ุจุฑู†ุงู…ุฌู‹ุง ูŠุณู…ู‰ ุชู‚ูŠูŠู… ุงูŠู‡ ุจูŠ ุณูŠ ู„ู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠ.
so we devised a program called ABC, assessment of basic education.
ูˆุฃุฑุฏู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ู‚ุฏู…ู‡ ุฅู„ู‰ ูƒู„ ู…ู† ู‡ู… ููŠ ุณู† 11 ุนุงู…ู‹ุง ููŠ ุจู†ุบู„ุงุฏูŠุด.
and we wanted to give it to all 11 year olds in Bangladesh.
ูˆู†ุฑู‰ ู…ุง ุงู„ู†ุณุจุฉ ุงู„ู…ุฆูˆูŠุฉ ู„ุงูƒุชุณุงุจ ุงู„ูƒูุงุกุงุช ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ ููŠ ุณู† 11 ุนุงู…ู‹ุง.
and see what percentage of 11 years olds attained basic competencies.
ูˆูƒู„ ุนุงู… ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู†ุช ุชุชุญุณู†.
and every year if it was improving.
ุซู… ุนุฑูู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุธุงู…ู†ุง ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู…ูŠ ููŠ ุงู„ูˆุงู‚ุน ูƒุงู† ูŠุคุฏูŠ ุจุดูƒู„ ุฌูŠุฏ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
then we knew that our educational system was actually doing quite good.
ุจุนุจุงุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู‰ ุฅู†ู‡ ู…ู†ุชุฌ.
in other words they are productive.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ู†ูˆุน ุงู„ุฃุดูŠุงุก ุงู„ุฐูŠ ุฃุฑุฏู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุนุฑูู‡.
so this is the kind of things we wanted to know.
ู…ุง ุฅุฐุง ูƒุงู† ุงู„ู†ุธุงู… ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู…ูŠ ุงู„ุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูŠ ูŠูˆูุฑ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู….
whether is either primary education system providing education.
ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนุฑููˆู† ูŠุญุณู† ูƒูุงุกุงุช ุฃุทูุงู„ู†ุง ุฐูˆูŠ 11 ุนุงู…ู‹ุง.
which is you know improving the competencies of our 11 year olds.
ู„ุฐุง ุฑูƒุฒู†ุง ูู‚ุท ุนู„ู‰ ุณู† 11 ุนุงู…ู‹ุง.
so we just concentrated on 11 year olds.
ู„ุฃู†ู‡ ุจุนุฏ 5 ุณู†ูˆุงุช ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุงู„ุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูŠุฉ. ุชูƒูˆู† ููŠ ุณู† 11 ุนุงู…ู‹ุง.
that is the after 5 years of primary education. you are at the age of 11.
ู„ุฐุง ุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ุชุฐู‡ุจ ุฃุจุฏู‹ุง ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ ููŠ ุณู† 11.
so either if you have never been to school at the age of 11.
ุฅุฐู‹ุง ุจูˆุถูˆุญ ู„ู† ุชูƒูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ูƒูุงุกุงุช ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ ู„ุฏูŠูƒ.
so obviously your basic competencies were not be there.
ู„ูƒู† ุฃุญูŠุงู†ู‹ุง ุฅุฐุง ุญุตู„ุช ุนู„ู‰ 3 ุณู†ูˆุงุช ูู‚ุท ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ูƒุงู†ุช ูƒูุงุกุงุชูƒ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ ู„ุง ุจุฃุณ ุจู‡ุง.
but sometimes if you had only 3 years of education your basic competencies were okay.
ู†ุนู….
yeah.
ูˆูˆุฌุฏู†ุง ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุฃู† 20ูช ู…ู† ุงู„ุฃุทูุงู„.
and we also found that 20% of the children.
ุงู„ุฐูŠู† ุฃูƒู…ู„ูˆุง 5 ุณู†ูˆุงุช ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ู„ู… ูŠุญู‚ู‚ูˆุง ุงู„ูƒูุงุกุฉ ุงู„ุฃุณุงุณูŠุฉ.
who completed 5 years of education did not attain the basic competency.
ูˆุฐู„ูƒ ูŠุฎุจุฑู†ุง ุฃูŠุถู‹ุง ุจู‚ุตุฉ ู…ุง ูŠุญุฏุซ ููŠ ุงู„ู…ุฏุงุฑุณ ุงู„ุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูŠุฉุŒ 5 ุณู†ูˆุงุช ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณุฉ ุงู„ุงุจุชุฏุงุฆูŠุฉ.
so that is also told us the story of what happens in primary schools, 5 years of primary school.
ู„ุฐุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู† ุฃู†ุง ู…ุชูู‚ ู…ุนูƒู… ุฌู…ูŠุนู‹ุง.
you know I agree with all of you.
ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุถุฎู…ุฉ ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ูˆุถุฑูˆุฑูŠุฉ ู„ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ูู‡ู… ุงู„ู†ุธุงู… ุจุฃูƒู…ู„ู‡.
that big data is necessary to try and understand the whole system.
ู‚ุฏุฑุฉ ุงู„ู†ุธุงู… ูƒู…ุง ุชุนุฑููˆู† ุนู„ู‰ ุชู‚ุฏูŠู… ู†ุงุชุฌ ุฃูุถู„ ููŠ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู….
the ability of the system you know to better outcome in education. \
ู†ุญุชุงุฌ ุฅู„ู‰ ูู‡ู… ุฐู„ูƒ ู…ู† ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุถุฎู…ุฉ.
we need to understand that from big data.
ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู…. ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู….
thank you. thank you.
ุงุณู…ุญูˆุง ู„ูŠ ุจุงู„ุถุบุท ุนู„ู‰ ุฒุฑ ุงู„ุฅูŠู‚ุงู ุงู„ู…ุคู‚ุช ุงู„ุขู† ููŠ ุงู„ุฌุฒุก 2.
let me put the pause button at the moment on part 2.
ู„ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ูุนู„ู‹ุง ุฃู†ู†ุง ุจุญุงุฌุฉ ูู‚ุท ุฅู„ู‰ ุชู†ุงูˆู„.
because I do think that we just need to address .
ู…ุง ุงู„ุชู‚ุทู‡ ู„ู†ุง ุจุงุนุชุจุงุฑู‡ ุงู„ุฌุฒุก ุงู„ู…ูู‚ูˆุฏ ู…ู† ุญูˆุงุฑู†ุง.
what I am picking us as being the missing parts of the conversation.
ูˆู„ู†ู‚ูˆู… ูู‚ุท ุจุถุจุท ุฃู†ูุณู†ุง ู„ู€3 ุฑุณุงุฆู„ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุณู…ุนุชู‡ุง.
and just to discipline ourselves to 3 messages that I have heard.
ุฃู†ู†ุง ู„ู… ู†ู‚ู„ ู…ุง ูŠูƒููŠ ุนู† ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุถุฎู…ุฉ ููŠ ุฎุฏู…ุฉ ู…ุคุณุณุงุช ุงู„ู…ูุชุนู„ู….
that we have not said enough about big data in the service of learner agency.
ู„ู… ู†ู‚ู„ ู…ุง ูŠูƒููŠ ุนู† ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุถุฎู…ุฉ.
we have not said enough about big data.
ููŠ ุฎุฏู…ุฉ ุฅุนุงุฏุฉ ูˆุถุน ู…ูุงู‡ูŠู… ุทุจูŠุนุฉ ุงู„ุชุฏุฑูŠุณ ูˆุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ูˆุงู„ู…ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูˆุงู„ูุตูˆู„.
in the service of reconceptualizing the nature of teaching and learning and schooling and classes.
ูˆู†ุญู† ู„ู… ู†ู‚ู„ ู…ุง ูŠูƒููŠ ุญูˆู„ ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุฃู†ู‡ุง ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชุฎุฏู… ูƒู„ุงู‹ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุชู‚ุฏู… ูˆุงู„ู†ุงู…ูŠ.
and we have not said enough about how it can serve both developed and developing.
ู„ุฐู„ูƒ ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ูŠ ุฃู† ุฃุทู„ุจ ู…ูƒู† ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู‚ ุนู„ู‰ ุฃูŠ ุฌุฒุก.
so can I ask you just to make a comment on any part.
ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุง ุณู…ุนุชู…ูˆู‡ ูƒูˆู†ู‡ ุงู„ุฃุฑุถูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ูู‚ูˆุฏุฉ.
of what you have heard as being the missing territory.
ูˆูƒูŠู ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุชุฑูŠุฏ ุงู„ุฅุฌุงุจุฉ ุจุณุฑุนุฉ.
and how you might quickly want to respond.
ู‚ุจู„ ุฃู† ู†ู†ุชู‚ู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ู…ุดูƒู„ุฉ ุฃูƒุซุฑ ุชุนู‚ูŠุฏู‹ุง.
before we move on to some even more controversial issue.
ู„ุฐุงุŒ ุฅูŠู…ูŠู„ูŠูˆ ู‡ู„ ุชุฑุบุจ ููŠ ุงู„ุฏุฎูˆู„ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฌุฒุฆูŠุฉ ุงู„ู†ุงู…ูŠุฉ-ุงู„ู…ุชุทูˆุฑุฉ.
so, Emilio do you want to come in on the developed-developing piece.
ู†ุนู… ุจุงู„ุชุฃูƒูŠุฏ. ุฃูˆุฏ ุฃู† ุฃููƒุฑ ุจุงุนุชุจุงุฑ ุฃู† ุงู„ู…ุนู„ูˆู…ุงุช ู…ุซู„ ุงู„ุจุชุฑูˆู„ ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ุฑู† 21.
yeah sure. I like to think as the information as the oil of the 21 century.
ูˆุชุญู„ูŠู„ูŠ ู…ุซู„ ู…ุญุฑูƒ ุงู„ุงุญุชุฑุงู‚.
and analytic as the combustion engine.
ูˆุนู†ุฏู…ุง ู†ุดุงู‡ุฏ ู…ุฌู‡ูˆุฏ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุชุŒ ู†ุจุฐู„ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุฌู‡ุฏ ููŠ ู…ู„ุก ุฎุฒุงู† ุงู„ุจุชุฑูˆู„.
and when we see the data effort, we put a lot of effort of fueling the oil bank.
ู„ูƒู† ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ู„ุง ู†ุณุชุฎุฏู…ู‡ุง ู„ู„ุชุญู„ูŠู„ ู…ุง ุงู„ุฐูŠ ูŠู…ูƒู† ูุนู„ู‡ ุจุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.
but then we do not use it for analyzing what we can do with that data.
ูˆุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ู‡ุฐุง ู‡ูˆ ุงู„ุชุญุฏูŠ ุงู„ุฃูƒุจุฑ ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง.
and I think that is the biggest challenge that we have.
ุฃู†ู†ุง ู‚ู…ู†ุง ุจุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ุนู…ู„ ู„ุฌู…ุน ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.
that we have done a lot of work collecting data.
ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุดุฑูˆุนุงุช ุงู„ุฑุงุฆุนุฉ ุญูˆู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ุงู„ุตุฏุฏ.
we have a lot of nice projects around that regard.
ู„ูƒู† ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุจุงู„ูุนู„ ุนู„ู‰ ู†ุทุงู‚ ุฃูˆุณุน.
but I think that we have to really use that data more widely.
ูˆูˆุถุน ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ู„ูŠุณ ูู‚ุท ููŠ ูŠุฏ ุงู„ุญูƒูˆู…ุฉ.
and put that data not just in hands of government.
ูˆุถุน ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ู…ุชุงุญุฉ ู„ู„ุฃูƒุงุฏูŠู…ูŠูŠู† ูˆู„ู„ู†ุงุณ.
put that data available for academia and for people.
ู„ูŠูƒูˆู† ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ูู‡ู… ูุถู„ ู„ูƒูŠููŠุฉ ุนู…ู„ ู†ุธุงู…ู‡ู… ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู…ูŠ.
to have a better understanding how their education system work.
ูˆุฃู†ุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุงู„ุชุญุฏูŠ ุงู„ูƒุจูŠุฑ ู„ู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุถุฎู…ุฉ.
and I think that is the big challenge with big data.
ู…ุญุงูˆู„ุฉ ุฅุชุงุญุฉ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ู„ู„ู…ูุนู„ู…ูŠู† ููŠ ุงู„ูุตูˆู„ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠุฉ.
trying to put that data available to teachers around classrooms.
ุญุชู‰ ูŠุชู…ูƒู†ูˆุง ู…ู† ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู… ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุญูŠุซ ูŠุธู†ูˆู† ุฃู†ู‡ุง ุฃูุถู„ ูˆุณูŠู„ุฉ ู„ุฏูŠู‡ู… ู„ู„ู…ุชุงุจุนุฉ.
so they can use the data as they think is the best way for them to proceed.
ูˆุฌุนู„ ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ู…ุชุงุญุฉ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ ุณูŠูุญุฏุซ ูุงุฑู‚ู‹ุง ูƒุจูŠุฑู‹ุง.
and making that data available I think will make a big change.
ู†ุนู….
yeah.
ู„ุฃู†ู†ุง ุนู†ุฏู…ุง ู†ุถุน ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ููŠ ุฃูŠุฏูŠ ู‚ู„ุฉ ู‚ู„ูŠู„ุฉ ูุณูŠุชู… ุชุฎุฒูŠู† ุชู„ูƒ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช.
because when we put a data in the hands of just a few that data will get stored.
ุณุชูƒูˆู† ู‡ู†ุงูƒ ู„ูƒู† ู„ู† ูŠุชู… ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู…ู‡ุง.
will be there but will not get used.
ุดูƒุฑู‹ุง ู„ูƒู…. ุฏูŠููŠู†ุง.
thank you. Divina.
ู†ุนู… ู…ุง ูŠู‚ู„ู‚ู†ูŠ ู‡ูˆ ุจุณุจุจ ูƒูˆู†ู‡ุง ู…ุญูˆุณุจุฉ ูุณุชุตุจุญ ู…ูˆุญุฏุฉ.
yes my concern is that because it is computerized is going to become standardized.
ูˆูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชุฑุงู‡ ูŠุฃุชูŠ ู…ู† ุญูŠุซ ูƒู…ุง ุชุนุฑููˆู† ู…ู‚ุงุฑู†ุฉ ุงู„ู†ุชุงุฆุฌ ุจุงู„ุขุฎุฑูŠู† ุฅู„ุฎ ุฅู„ุฎ.
and you can see it coming in terms of you know results comparison to others etc. etc.
ูˆู„ุฐุง ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ู‡ุง ู„ุง ุชุญุชุงุฌ ุฃู† ุชุฃุชูŠ ุจุชุบูŠูŠุฑ ูƒุงู…ู„.
and so I think it does need to come with a whole change.
ู„ู†ุธุฑุชู†ุง ู„ุนู„ุงู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชุฏุฑูŠุณ.
of how we see the teaching relationship.
ูˆููŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ู„ุญุธุฉ ู†ุญู† ู„ุง ู†ูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ.
and at the moment we are not doing that.
ูˆูƒู†ุช ู…ุญู‚ู‹ุง ููŠ ุงู„ุฌู…ู‡ูˆุฑ ู„ู„ุฅุดุงุฑุฉ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฐู„ูƒ.
and you were right in the audience to point that out.
ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ู†ุง ู…ุง ุฒู„ู†ุง ู†ููƒุฑ ูˆู…ุง ุฒู„ู†ุง ู†ู†ุธู… ู…ุนุธู… ู…ุคุณุณุงุชู†ุง ููŠ ู…ุณุชูˆุฏุนุงุช.
is we still thinking and we still organizing most of our institutions in silos.
ูˆุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ู†ุฌุฏ ุทุฑูŠู‚ู‹ุง ู„ุชูุงุฏูŠ ุฐู„ูƒ.
and if we do not find a way around that.
ุงู„ุฐูŠ ู‡ูˆ ุฃุจุนุฏ ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุญู„ูŠู„ุงุช.
which is beyond analytics.
ู‡ูˆ ุญูˆู„ ุฅุทุงุฑู†ุง ุงู„ุนู‚ู„ูŠ.
it is about our mind frame.
ูˆูƒูŠู ูŠู…ูƒู†ู†ุง ุชูˆุฌูŠู‡ ุฃู†ูุณู†ุง ุฃูˆ ุจุงู„ุฃุญุฑู‰ ุชูˆุฌูŠู‡ ุงู„ู…ุชุนู„ู…ูŠู† ู„ุฏูŠู†ุง ููŠ ุงู„ู‚ุฑู† ุงู„ 21.
and how we project ourselves or rather we project our learners in the 21st century.
ู„ุฃู†ู†ุง ู†ู†ุชู…ูŠ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ู‚ุฑู† 19.
because we belong to the 19th.
ู†ุญู† ู„ุณู†ุง ุฃูุถู„ ู…ูƒุงู† ู„ูุนู„ ู…ุง ูŠูุทู„ุจ ู…ู†ุง ูุนู„ู‡.
we are not the best place to do what we are asked to do them.
ู„ูƒู† ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุฎูˆู ู‡ูˆ ุฃู†ู†ุง ู†ุณุชุฎุฏู…ู‡ุง ุจุงู„ุทุฑูŠู‚ุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ุงุนุชุฏู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ุนุฑู ูƒูŠู ู†ุณุชุฎุฏู…ู‡ุง.
but this is the fear is that we use it the way we used to know how to use it.
ู„ุฐุง ุงุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู† ุนู„ูŠู†ุง ุฃู† ู†ูุดุฑูƒ ุงู„ุดุจุงุจ ูˆุงู„ู…ุชุนู„ู…ูŠู† ู…ุจูƒุฑู‹ุง ููŠ ุฐู„ูƒ.
and so I think we have to engage young people and learners very early in that.
ูˆู„ุง ูŠุดุชุฑุท ุฃู† ูŠูƒูˆู† ู…ู† ุฎู„ุงู„ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุถุฎู…ุฉ ุนุจุฑ ุงู„ุฅู†ุชุฑู†ุช ูู‚ุท.
and it does not have to be via big data only online.
ูˆุฐู„ูƒ ูŠุนุงู„ุฌ ู‚ุถูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชู†ู…ูŠุฉ.
and that addresses the development issue.
ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒ ูุนู„ ุฐู„ูƒ ุฏูˆู† ุงุชุตุงู„.
you can do that offline.
ุฃุนู†ูŠ ู‡ุฐู‡ ุงู„ุฎุฑุงุฆุท ุงู„ุฐู‡ู†ูŠุฉ ุงู„ุชูŠ ูƒู†ุช ุฃุธู‡ุฑู‡ุง ู„ูƒู…ุŒ ูŠู…ูƒู†ูƒู… ุฑุณู…ู‡ุง ุจุงู„ูŠุฏ.
I mean these mental maps that I was showing you, you can draw them by hand.
ู„ุง ุชุฒุงู„ ุชุณุงุนุฏูƒู… ููŠ ู…ุนุฑูุฉ ู…ูˆู‚ุนูƒู… ุจุงู„ุชุญุฏูŠุฏ ููŠ ุนู‚ูˆู„ูƒู….
it still helps you locate yourself in your brain.
ูˆุงู„ุชุญุฑูƒ ู†ุญูˆ ู…ู†ุงู‡ุฌ ุจู†ุงุฆูŠุฉ ูˆุฅุฏุฑุงูƒูŠุฉ.
and to move towards a constructivist and the cognitive approaches.
ุงู„ุชูŠ ูŠุญุงูˆู„ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ุงู„ุฅู„ูƒุชุฑูˆู†ูŠ ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงู… ุจู‡ุง ุนุจุฑ ุงู„ุฅู†ุชุฑู†ุช.
that E-learning has been trying to do online.
ุฃุฑู‰ ุฎุทุฑ ุงู„ุชุฑุงุฌุน ุงู„ูุนู„ูŠ ููŠ ุงู„ุฃุณุงู„ูŠุจ ุงู„ุชุฑุจูˆูŠุฉ ุงู„ุฌุฏูŠุฏุฉ ูˆุงู„ูุตูˆู„ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠุฉ ุงู„ู†ุดุทุฉ ูˆุงู„ูุตูˆู„ ุงู„ุฏุฑุงุณูŠุฉ ุงู„ู…ุนูƒูˆุณุฉ.
I see a risk of actual regression of new pedagogies and the active classroom and the inverted classrooms.
ุงู„ุชูŠ ุชู…ูƒู†ุง ู…ู† ุงู„ุฏูุน ูƒู…ุฏุฑุจูŠู† ูˆู…ุนู„ู…ูŠู† ููŠ ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ุงู„ุฅู„ูƒุชุฑูˆู†ูŠ.
that we have been able to push as E-learning teachers and trainers.
ุฅุฐุง ู„ู… ู†ู†ุชุจู‡ ุฅู„ู‰ ู‡ุฐุง ุงู„ุนุงู„ู… ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุญู„ูŠู„ุงุช.
if we did not pay attention to this world of analytics.
ุฌูˆู† ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุฃุทู„ุจ ู…ู†ูƒ ุฃู† ุชู†ุชุธุฑ ู„ุญุธุฉ ูˆุงุญุฏุฉ.
John can I ask you to hold for one moment.
ู†ุนู….
yeah.
ู‡ู„ ูŠู…ูƒู† ุฃู† ุขุชูŠ ุฅู„ู‰ ุฌูŠู†ูŠูุฑ.
can I come to Jennifer.
ุซู… ุฃุฑูŠุฏ ุฃู† ุฃุนูˆุฏ ุฅู„ู‰ ุงู„ุฌุฒุก ุงู„ุชุงู„ูŠ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุญุงุฏุซุฉ.
then I want to come back in on the next part of conversation.
ุญูŠุซ ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ุฃู†ูƒู… ุณุชูƒูˆู†ูˆู† ู‚ุงุฏุฑูŠู† ุนู„ู‰ ุงู„ุชูˆุงุตู„ ุจุดูƒู„ ู…ู…ุชุงุฒ ุชู…ุงู…ู‹ุง.
where I think you will be able to connect pretty perfectly.
ู†ุนู….
yeah.
ุฌูŠู†ูŠูุฑ ู…ุง ู‡ูˆ ุดุนูˆุฑูƒ ุชุฌุงู‡ ุงู„ู…ุญุงุฏุซุงุช.
Jennifer what your sense about the conversations.
ู…ุง ูŠุชุนู„ู‚ ุจุดูƒู„ ุฎุงุต ุจู…ุคุณุณุงุช ุงู„ู…ุชุนู„ู… ูˆู†ู…ูˆุฐุฌ ู…ุฎุชู„ู ู„ู„ุชุนู„ูŠู….
particularly in relation to learner agency and a different model of learning.
ุฃุนุชู‚ุฏ ู‡ูˆ ุณุจุจ ุฃู†ู†ูŠ ู‚ู„ุช ู…ู† ู‚ุจู„.
I think which is why earlier I said you know.
ุฃูˆุฏ ุงู„ุญุฏูŠุซ ุนู† ุงู„ุชุญู„ูŠู„ุงุช ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู…ูŠุฉ ู…ู† ูˆุฌู‡ุฉ ู†ุธุฑูŠ ุจุฏู„ุงู‹ ู…ู† ุงู„ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุถุฎู…ุฉ.
I would rather talk about learning analytics from my perspective rather than big data.
ุฃุธู† ุฃู†ู†ุง ู†ุชุญุฏุซ ู‡ู†ุง ุนู† ู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุชูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุคุดุฑุงุช ูˆู…ุฌู…ูˆุนุชูŠู† ู…ู† ุงู„ู‚ูŠุงุณุงุช ุฅุฐุง ุฌุงุฒ ู„ูŠ.
I think here we are talking about 2 sets of indicators and 2 sets of measurements if I may.
ู„ุฌุนู„ ู…ู†ุงู‚ุดุงุชู†ุง ู…ู†ุทู‚ูŠุฉ.
to make sense of our discussions.
ู†ุนู….
yeah.
ุฅุญุฏุงู‡ุง ุนู„ู‰ ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ุงู„ู†ุธุงู…ุŒ ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ุงู„ุณูŠุงุณุฉุŒ ุงุชุฎุงุฐ ุงู„ู‚ุฑุงุฑ.
one is at a system level, a policy level, decision making.
ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู† ุงู„ู…ุคุดุฑุงุช ุงู„ุชูŠ ู‡ูŠ ู…ุซู„ ู…ุง ุชุนู„ู…ูˆู† ู…ุนุฏู„ุงุช ุงู„ุชุณุฑุจ ู…ู† ุงู„ู…ุฏุงุฑุณ ุญุณู†ู‹ุงุŒ ุณู†ูˆุงุช ุงู„ุงู„ุชุญุงู‚.
you know indicators that are particularly like you know school attrition rates okay, years of enrollment.
ู‡ุฐู‡ ู…ุคุดุฑุงุช ู…ุณุชูˆู‰ ุงู„ู†ุธุงู… ู„ู†ุธุงู… ุงู„ุชุนู„ูŠู… ู…ู‡ู…ุฉ ู„ู„ุบุงูŠุฉ.
these are system level indicators of the education system very important.
ู„ูƒู† ู‡ุฐุง ู†ูˆุนู‹ุง ู…ุง ุญูŠุซ ู„ุฏู‰ ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุถุฎู…ุฉ ุงู„ูƒุซูŠุฑ ู…ู…ุง ุชุณุงู‡ู… ููŠู‡ ุญุณู†ู‹ุง.
but these are a sort of where big data has a lot to contribute to alright.
ูˆุชุนู„ู…ูˆู† ุฅูŠู…ูŠู„ูŠูˆ ุชุญุฏุซ ุนู† ุงู„ุจูŠุงู†ุงุช ุงู„ุถุฆูŠู„ุฉ.
and you know Emilio talked about little data.