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ููู ุงูุชุญุฏู ุงูุฎุงุต ุจู ููุง ูู ุฃู. | but my challenge here is that. |
ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ูุฐู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ูุนุทูู ุตูุฑุฉ ูุตููุฉ ุญูู ุชุนููู
ู ููุนุทู ุงูุณูุงุณุฉ. | a lot of those data gives you a descriptive picture about your education and it informs policy. |
ููู ููุณ ุจุงูุถุฑูุฑุฉ ุฃู ูู
ูุญูุง ุชุฏุฑูุณูุง ูุชุนููู
ูุง ุฌูุฏูู. | but it might not necessarily inform good teaching and learning. |
ููุงู ุดุบูู ูุนู
ูู ุฃูุซุฑ ู
ู ุงูุจุฏุงูุฉ. | and my passion and my work has been more ground up. |
ูู ุงููุงูุน ูุฏุฎู ูู ุงููุตูู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณูุฉ ูุนู
ู ู
ุน ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณููุ ูุนู
ู ู
ุน ุงูุทูุงุจุ ูุนู
ู ู
ุน ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ. | has been really going into classrooms working with teachers, working with students, working with schools. |
ููู ุงููุงูุน ููุธุฑ ููุท ุฅูู ููู ููุณุฑ ู
ุง ูุนุฏู ุงูููู
ูู
ุนุฑูุฉ. | and just really looking at how do we break down what we count as knowledge today. |
ูุฐูู ู
ุซู ุงูุฅุจุฏุงุนุ ุฅุฐุง ููุช ุชููู ุฃูู ุชุนุฑู ุฃู ุงูุฅุจุฏุงุน ูุง ูุชุทูุฑ ููุท ูู
ูุงุฑุฉ ูุฑุฏูุฉ. | so like creativity, if you say you know creativity is not developed only as an individual skil. |
ููู ูู
ูุงุฑุฉ ุฌู
ุงุนูุฉุ ูุฐูู ู
ุง ู
ุนูู ูุฐุง. | but as a collective skill, so what does that mean. |
ูุงูุฅุจุฏุงุน ูุง ูุชุทูุฑ ููุนูุง ู
ุง ููุณ ููุท ุจููุฑ ุงูุชุญูู ุญุณููุง. | so creativity is not developed sort of by not only diversion thinking okay. |
ูููู ูุงุฆู
ุนูู ุงูุญูุงุฑ. | but actually constructed in dialogue. |
ูุฐูู ุนูููุง ูู ุงููุงูุน ูุณุฑ ุงูุฅุจุฏุงุน ุฅูู ุฅุจุฏุงุน ุฌู
ุงุนู. | so we actually have to break down creativity into collective creativity. |
ูู
ุง ูู ุฃุจุนุงุฏ ุงูุฅุจุฏุงุน ุงูุฌู
ุงุนู ูู. | and what are the dimensions of collective creativity are. |
ุนูู ุณุจูู ุงูู
ุซุงู ุงูุฅุฏุฑุงูุ ุงูุญูุงุฑ ุงูุนูุณู. | for instance matter cognition, reflexive dialogue, . |
ูู
ุง ุชุนุฑู ุฃุจุนุงุฏ ุงูู
ุนุฑูุฉ ู
ุซู ุชุญููู ุงูููุฑุ ุชุญูู ุงูููุฑุ ุงูู
ูุงุฑุงุช ูู
ุง ุชุนุฑููู ุงูุงุฌุชู
ุงุนูุฉ ูุงูุชุตุฑูุงุช. | you know cognitive dimensions like diversion thinking, conversion thinking and social you know skills and dispositions. |
ูุฐูู ููู ุจุงูุชุงูู ูุชุฑุฌู
ูู ูุฐุง ุฅูู ุฃุฎู
ู ู
ุคุดุฑุงุช ูู
ููู ุชูุงูููุง. | so how do you then translate all of those into I guess indicators that you can pick up. |
ูู
ููู ุงูุชุญููู ู
ู ุณููููุงุช ุงูุชุนููู
ูุงูุชุฏุฑูุณ ุงููุนููุฉ ูุงูุฃูุดุทุฉ. | that you can analyze from the actual learning and teaching behaviors and activities. |
ุงูุชู ุชุฌุฑู ูู ุงููุตู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณู ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ุฑุณู
ููุง ูุบูุฑ ุฑุณู
ููุงุ ูู ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉ ูุฎุงุฑุฌ ุงูู
ุฏุฑุณุฉุ ูุนู
. | that are going on in the classroom in the school formally and informally, in school and out of school, okay. |
ูููู ูู
ููู ุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ุชุตูุฑ ููู
ุนูู
ูุงูุทุงูุจ ู
ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู. | and how do you then visualize that back to the teacher and the student. |
ุจุญูุซ ูู
ูููู
ุชุนุฏูู ุณููููู
ูู ุงูููุช ุงูู
ูุงุณุจ. | so that they can modify their behaviors in a timely manner. |
ุจุญูุซ ูู
ูููู
ูู ุงููุงูุน ู
ูููุฉ ูููุงูุฉ ุชุนููู
ูู
ุงูุฎุงุต. | so that they can have actually ownership and agency of their own learning. |
ููุฐุง ูุชุงุฌ ู
ุดุฑูุนุงุช ุฃุจุญุงุซ ุซูุงุซุฉ ุฃุนู
ู ุนูููุง ุญุงูููุง. | and this is the work out of three research projects that I am currently working on. |
ุชุนูู
ูู ูู
ูู ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ูุง ูู ุณูุงูุงุช ู
ุฎุชููุฉ. | you know it can be used in different contexts. |
ุณูุงุก ูู ุงูุนุงูู
ุงููุงู
ู ุฃู ูู ุงูุนุงูู
ุงูู
ุชูุฏู
. | whether in the developing world or in the developed world. |
ููุฏ ุชุญุฏุซุช ุนู ุชุญูููุงุช ุงูุชุนูู
ูุฐู ููุนูุง ู
ุง ููุธู
ุงูู
ุนููู
ุงุช ูุชูููููุฌูุง ุณูุงู ุฃูุถู ูููุง ุณูุงู ุงูุชุนูู
. | I talked about this learning analytics in a sort of information systems and better context technology in which learning context. |
ูุฐูู ูุฐุง ุฑุจู
ุง ููุฏู
ุจุนุถ ุชุญุฏูุงุช ูู ุงูู
ุฏุงุฑุณ ุฃู ูู ุงูู
ุฌุชู
ุนุงุช. | so that might present a bit of challenge in schools or in societies. |
ุงูุชู ุฑุจู
ุง ููุณ ูุฏููุง ููุณ ู
ุณุชูู ุงูุชุดุงุฑ ุงูุฅูุชุฑูุช ุฃู ุงูุชุดุงุฑ ุชูููููุฌูุง ุงูู
ุนููู
ุงุช ูุงูุงุชุตุงูุงุช. | that might not have the same level of internet penetration or ICT penetration. |
ูุฐุง ุฐูู ูุญุชุงุฌ ุฅูู ู
ุนุงูุฌุฉ. | so that needs to be addressed. |
ูุนู
. ุญุณููุง ุฏุนููุง ูุฑู ุฅุฐุง ููุช ุฃุณุชุทูุน ุงูุงูุชูุงู ุจูุง ุฅูู ู
ุณุงุญุฉ ู
ุดุงุฑูุฉ ุจุนุถ ุงูุงูุชู
ุงู
ุงุช. | yeah. okay let me see if I can move us into the space of sharing some of the concerns. |
ุงูุชู ูุณู
ุนูุง ุนูููุง ูุฏุงุฎู ุงูู
ููุฉ ุญูู ูุฐู ุงูู
ูุงูุดุฉ ุจุงููุงู
ู. | that we hear publically and within the profession about this entire debate. |
ูุณุฃุณุชุฎุฏู
ุฅุทุงุฑู. | and I will use your frame. |
ูุฃุนูู ุฃูุถูุง ุฃูู ูู
ูููุง ุทุฑุญ ุงูุฃุณุฆูุฉ ุนูู ู
ุณุชูู ุงููุธุงู
. | I mean either we can raise questions at a system level. |
ูููุงู ุงููุซูุฑ ู
ู ูุคูุงุก ุฃู ูู
ูููุง ุทุฑุญ ุงูุฃุณุฆูุฉ ุนูู ู
ุณุชูู ุงูู
ุชุนูู
. | and there is a plenty of those or we can raise questions at the learner level. |
ุฐูุฑุชู
ุงูุฃุณุงููุจ ุงูุชุฑุจููุฉ ุงูุฑุฌุนูุฉ ุตุญูุญ. | you mentioned regressive pedagogies right. |
ุญุชู ููุช ุชููุฑ ูู ุงูุนู
ู ูู ุงููุถุงุก ูู ุงูููุช ุงูุฑุงูู ุนุงู
ุญูู. | so as you think about the work in the space at the moment general about. |
ูุณูู ุงุณุชุฎุฏู
ุชุญูููุงุช ูุทุฑููุฉ ููุฌู
ุน ุจูู ุงูู
ุณุชูููู ุจุงููุนู. | and I will use the analytics as a way of actually encompassing both levels. |
ููุท ุฃุฎุจุฑููุง ูู 2-3 ุฏูููุฉ ุญูุซ ู
ุง ุชูุชู
ูู ุญููุง ููุชุฃูุฏ. | give us your kind like 2-3 minutes of where you really concern to ensure. |
ุฃู ู
ุง ูุญุฏุซ ููุง ุณูููู ู
ูุชุฌูุงุ ุนูู ูู ู
ู ู
ุณุชูู ุงููุธุงู
ูู
ุณุชูู ุงูู
ุชุนูู
. | that what is happening here is going to be productive, both at the system level and the learner level. |
ูุฃูุง ุขุณู ุชูููุ ุฅุฐุง ุฃู
ูููู. | and I am sorry Tony if I may. |
ุนูุฏู
ุง ุฃุชุญุฏุซ ุนู ูุฐูู ุงูู
ุณุชูููู. | when I speak of 2 those levels. |
ูุนู
ุ ุฃุนูู
. | yeah, I know. |
ููุถุญ ู
ููู
ุง ุงูุขุฎุฑ. | they are articulate to one another. |
ุจุงูุทุจุนุ ูุนู
. | absolutely, yeah. |
ูููุฐุง ูุญุชุงุฌ ุฅูู ุนู
ู ุงูุฃุดุฎุงุต . | and that is why we need people working . |
ุจุงูุชุฃููุฏ. | absolutely. |
ุนูู ููุง ุงูู
ุณุชูููู. | at both levels . |
ูุนู
ุ ุฐูู ุฌูุฏุ ูุนู
. | yeah, that is good, yeah. |
ุฌููููุฑ ุฃูุช ุณุฑูุช ุฎุทู. | Jennifer you stole my line. |
ูุฐุง ูุฃููุง ุจุงูุทุจุน ุฃูุดุฆูุง ุงููุธุงู
. | it is because of course we have created the system. |
ูููุณ ููุงู ุฌุฏูู ู
ู ุงูููุฏุณุฉ ุงูุนูุณูุฉ ูู ุจุงูู
ูุงุณุจุฉ. | and there is no futility in reverse engineering it by the way. |
ูุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃูู ุนูููุง ุฃู ูููู ู
ุชุนูู
ูู ุฌูุฏูุง ูุฐูู. | and I think we have to be extremely educated for that. |
ูุฃุญุฏ ุงูุฃู
ูุฑ ุงูุชู ูุญุงูู ุฃู ูุฏูุนูุง. | and one of the things we are trying to push. |
ูู ุงูููู
ูุงูุชูุงุตู ููู ุชูุงููุฏ ุงูุชุนููู
ุงูุฅุนูุงู
ู ูู ุงูุชูููุฑ ุงูููุฏู. | in the transliteracies and in the media education tradition is critical thinking. |
ูุนูููู
ุฃู ุชููููุง ุญุงุณู
ูู ุญูู ุงูุทุฑููุฉ ุงูุชู ูุชู
ุชูููู
ูู
ุจูุง. | and you have to be critical about the way you are being evaluated. |
ููู ูุฐู ุงููุญุธุฉ ูุง ุชูุฌุฏ ุทุฑููุฉ ูุฅุฏุฎุงู ูุฐุง ุงูุนูุตุฑ ุงูุญุงุณู
ูู ุฃุณุงููุจ ุงูุชูููู
ุงูู
ุฎุชููุฉ ูุฐู. | and at the moment there is no way of inserting that critical element in these different assessment methods. |
ุงูุชู ูู ุงููุงูุน ูุฌุจ ุฃู ุชููู ุงูุฌุฒุก ุงูู
ุซุฑู. | which actually should be the enriching part. |
ูุฌูุฏ ูุฐู ุงูุชุญูููุงุช ููุชูุฏ ุญููุง ู
ุง ูุญุฏุซ ูู ุงููุตูู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณูุฉ. | having these analytics criticize really what is happening in the classroom. |
ูุงูุชูุงุฏ ููุง ุงูุดุฑุทูู ูู
ุง ุชุนุฑู ุณูุจูุง ููู ุฃูุถูุง ุฅูุฌุงุจููุง ู
ุง ูู ุฌูุฏ. | and criticizing both terms you know negatively but also positively what is good. |
ู
ุง ุชุฑูุฏ ุฃู ุชุจููู ุฅูุฎ. | what you want to keep etc. |
ูุฐูู ุฅุฐุง ุฃุฑุฏูุง ุงุณุชุฎุฏุงู
ุงูุฐูุงุก ุงูุงุตุทูุงุนู ูุฐุง ู
ุง ูุฌุจ ุฃู ูุฐูุจ. | so if we are going to use artificial intelligence this is where it should go. |
ูุฌุจ ุฃู ุชุณูุฑ ูู ู
ุทุญูุฉ ุงูุฌูุฏุฉุ ููุณ ูู ูุชูุฉ ุงูุจูุงูุงุช. | it should go in that grain of quality, not in the mass of data. |
ูุฌุจ ุฃู ุนูููุง ููุฐูุงุจ ููุงู. | it should our brain to go there. |
ุฃูุช ุชุฑู ุฃูู ุงูุณุจุจ ูู ุนุฏู
ุงูุฐูุงุจ. | you see that is why it is not going. |
ูุฌุจ ุฃู ูููู ูุงุฏุฑูู ุนูู ุฐูู. | we should be able to do that. |
ุงูููุช ุงูุฐู ูุชุญุฑุฑ ููู. | the time that we are librated. |
ุญูุซ ูููู
ุงูู
ุนูู
ูู ุจูุฐู ุงูุชูููู
ุงุช ูุฌุจ ุฃู ูุชุฌููุง ุฅูู ุชูููู
ุฌูุฏุฉ ุงูุทุงูุจ. | where the teachers doing these assessments should go towards the quality assessment of the student. |
ูุณุงุนุฏูู
ู
ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู ุจุงูุญุจูุจ ุญูุซ ูุงููุง ููู ุฃูุถูุง ูุฌู
ุงุนุฉ ูู ุงููุตู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณู. | helping them grain by grain as they are but also as a collective in the classroom. |
ุนูู ุฃู ุญุงูุ ูุฐูู ูุฐู ูุงุญุฏุฉ ู
ู ุงูู
ุดููุงุช. | anyways, so this is one of the problems. |
ุฃูุช ุชุชููู ุนู ุงูุชูููุฑ ุงูููุฏูุ ุฃูุช ุชุนุทูู ุฅูู ุงูุฌูุงุฒ. | you stop critical thinking, you give it to the machine. |
ูุจุนุฏ ุฐูู ู
ุง ูุญุฏุซ. | and then what happens. |
ู
ุณุชูู ุงููุณุงุทุฉ ูู ุงููุงูุน ูุญุฏุซ ูู ุงูุชูุงุนูุงุช ูู ุงููุตู ุงูุฏุฑุงุณู. | the mediation level actually happens in the interactions in the class. |
ุฑุจู
ุง ูููู ู
ูููุฏูุง. | maybe is lost. |
ูุฃุนุชูุฏ ูู
ุนูู
ูู ุฃููุง ูููู
ุจุชุฏุฑูุณ. | and I think as teachers we teach. |
ูุฃู ู
ุง ูุญุจุ ู
ุงููุฉ ุฐูู ุจุงูุฃุณุงุณ ูู ู
ุง ููุนูู. | because what we like, what is that at the core what we are doing. |
ูู ุงูุชูุงุนู ุงูุจุดุฑูุ ููุณ ูุซูุฑูุง ู
ู ุฎูุงู ุงูุชูุงุนู ู
ุน ุงูุขูุงุช. | is the human interaction, not so much via interactivity with machines. |
ุฃุนุชูุฏ ุฃููุง ูุดุงุฑู ุฐูู/ | I think we share that/ |
ูุงูุขูุงุช ุชุตุจุญ ู
ู
ูู ุงูููู ุฃูุซุฑ ูุฏูุฉ ุจูุฐู ุงูุทุฑููุฉ. | and the machines are becoming arguably more friendly that way. |
ููู ุจุงูุชุฃููุฏ ูุฐุง ุญูุซ ุณุฃุญุจ ุฃู ุชุฐูุจ ุชุญูููุงุช ุงูุชุนูู
. | but definitely this is where I would like learning analytics to go. |
ุฅุฐุง ูุงู ุนูููุง ุงูุฐูุงุจ ุญูุซ ุนูู ุงูู
ุณุชูู ุงููุฑุฏู. | if it has to go somewhere at the individual level. |
ุนูู ู
ุณุชูู ุงููุธู
ุ ููุงู ู
ุดููุงุช ุญููููุฉ ูู
ุดููุฉ ุญููู ุงูุฅูุณุงู. | at the systems level, there are real issues and the human rights issue. |
ููู
ูุชู
ู
ุนุงูุฌุชูุง ูู ุงูููุช ุงูุฑุงูู. | and they are not addressed at the moment. |
ููู
ูุดูููู ู
ุดููุฉ ุนูู ุชูุณุน ูุฐุง ุงูููุน ู
ู ุฅุตุฏุงุฑุงุช ุงูุชุนูู
ุ ุญููู ุงูู
ูููุฉ. | and they pose a problem for the expansion of this kind of version of education, property rights. |
ุงูุชู ุชู
ุชูู ูุฐู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ุนูุฏ ูุฌูุฏูุง ููุงู. | who owns these data when they are out there. |
ุญุณููุงุ ููุณ ุงูุทูุงุจุ ููุณ ุงูุฃูุฑุงุฏ ุงูู
ูุงุทููู. | well, not the students, not the individual citizens. |
ูู ุงูููุช ุงูุฑุงูู ุงูุฃุดุฎุงุต ุงูุฐูู ูู
ูููู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ูู
ุง ุชุนุฑููู ุจุณุจุจ ูุณุท ุฃุดูุงุก ุฃุฎุฑู. | at the moment the ones who owned the data as you know because of the among other things. |
ุชููู ุงูู
ูุตุฉ ูุบุงูุจูุง ู
ุง ุชููุน ุนูู ุญูููู. | is the platform and sometimes and often you sign off your rights. |
ูุฐูู ู
ุฑุฉ ุฃุฎุฑู ุฅุฐุง ูุงู ูุฏูู ุงูุชูููุฑ ุงูููุฏู ุญูู ูุฐู ุงูุฃุดูุงุก. | so again if you had critical thinking about these things. |
ุณูููู ุญุฐุฑูู ูู
ุชุนูู
ููุ ูู
ุนูู
ูู ุนูู ุฃู ูุฎุจุฑ ุทูุงุจูุง ุจุญุฑุต ุนูู ู
ุง ุชุถุนูู ููุง. | we would be careful as learners, as teachers to tell our students careful what you are putting out there. |
ุทูุงุจู ุฏุงุฆู
ูุง ูุฏููู
ุงููุฑุงุฑ ููุชุฎุฐูู. | my students always have the decision to make. |
ูู
ุง ูุถุนูู ุนูู ุงูุฅูุชุฑูุช ุนูู ุงูู
ุณุชูู ุงูุนุงู
ูุงูู
ุณุชูู ุงูุฎุงุต. | of what they put online at a public level and at the private level. |
ูุฐูู ุงูู
ูููุฉ ุงูููุฑูุฉ ูู
ู ูุญูุธ ูุฐู ุงูุฎุฑุงุฆุท ุงูุชู ุฃูุถุญุชูุง ููู
. | so intellectual property and who keeps these maps that I showed you. |
ุงูุฎุตูุตูุฉุ ู
ุง ู
ูุฏุงุฑ ุฃููุณูู
ุงูุฐู ุชูุฏูู ูุถุนู ููุงู. | privacy, how much of yourself are you willing to put out there. |
ุฅุฐุง ูุงูุช ุงูุจูุงูุงุช ุงูุถุฎู
ุฉ ุชุณู
ุญ ูุฃู ุดุฎุตุ ุงูู
ุนูู
ูุชู
ุชุถู
ููู ููุนูุฏุฉ ุฅูู ู
ุง ูุนูุชู
. | if big data allow anybody, the teacher included to go back to what you did. |
ุนูุฏู
ุง ููุช ูู ุงูุตู ุงูุฃุตุบุฑ ุณููุง. | when you were in a younger grade. |
ูู ุณูููู ุฐูู ู
ุชูุจุฆ ูุฃุฏุงุฆูู
ูู ุงูู
ุณุชูุจู. | is this going to be a predicator of your future performance. |
ูู ุฃูุช ุบูุฑ ู
ุณู
ูุญ ูู ุจุชุบููุฑ ุฃู ุงูุชุนูู
ู
ู ุฃุฎุทุงุฆู. | are you not you allow to change or to have learned from your mistakes. |
ูู
ุณูุฒู ุฐูู. | how much is that going to weigh. |
ููุฃู ู
ุฏู ุณุชุนูุฏ. | and how far back are you going. |
ู
ุงุฐุง ุนู ุญู ุงููุณูุงู ุฃู ู
ุญู ุจุนุถ ูุฐู ุงูุจูุงูุงุช. | what about the right to forget or to erase some of these data. |
ููู ุฃุญุฏ ุงูู
ุดููุงุช ุงูุชู ูุฏููุง ุงูุขู ูู ุฃูุฑูุจุง. | which is one of the issues we have now in Europe. |
ููุฐุง ุงููุฑูุณู ูุฏูุน ุนูู ุงูุฑุบู
ู
ู ุฌู
ุงุนุงุช ุงูุถุบุท ุงููุจูุฑุฉ. | and that french are pushing in spite of the big lobbies. |
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