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[04:42] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjeX5drV9ms
[04:55] <daftykins> http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2015/04/07/may-cover-revealed-deus-ex-mankind-divided-568435.aspx
[04:55] <daftykins> a new Deus Ex!
[04:58] <daftykins> Renegades 0o doesn't look quite... legit
[06:12] <directhex> well that's unexpected. https://instagram.com/p/1L95FDv9Ks/
[06:31] <knightwise> morning peeps
[06:32] <daftykins> g'morn
[06:40] <knightwise> hey daftykins how are ya today
[06:47] <daftykins> mmm none too shabby ta, just watching the cat getting into all kinds of morning mischief... which makes her name Mischief very apt :D
[06:47] <daftykins> and yourself? what fun has today in store?
[06:51] <knightwise> Working from home today. So i'm gonna take some time off to go to the store and pick up and SD for my RaspberryPi2
[06:51] <daftykins> ^_^
[06:51] <knightwise> and then do my quarterly taxes
[06:52] <daftykins> ooh i keep forgetting about doing my tax return
[06:53] * knightwise has his own company so ...
[06:53] <knightwise> we need to do this every quarter
[06:53] <daftykins> :(
[06:53] <knightwise> paperwork is done so we just need to send it to our accountant
[06:55] <knightwise> hmmm.. copying over some old data from a desktop for a friend
[06:56] <knightwise> I forgot how much hideous noise this things make
[06:56] <daftykins> mechanical disks? :)
[06:57] <knightwise> yep , and fans , and beige boxes
[06:57] <knightwise> #horrible
[06:57] <knightwise> and .. WINDOWS
[06:57] <daftykins> works for me (:
[06:59] <knightwise> I know , for me too but .. I had to reinstall windows for him
[06:59] <knightwise> I HATE doing that kind of support, especially on those desktop clunkers
[06:59] <daftykins> as in it was just a bit of an antique? :D
[06:59] <daftykins> 'cause desktops are ace
[07:00] <knightwise> its indeed an atique
[07:00] <knightwise> core 2 duo
[07:00] <daftykins> oof
[07:01] <daftykins> a friend wants me to help christen a new family desktop today i believe
[07:01] <daftykins> involving carting some data over onto it off the old
[07:01] <daftykins> i sense the new thing will be Windows 8 :(
[07:02] <knightwise> hmm.. hate that
[07:02] * knightwise has no local data on ANY of his systems
[07:02] <knightwise> its all on the nas or in the cloud
[07:04] <daftykins> there was a time when i took my file server down for maintenance, PSU gave up the ghost - i was without access to all my content for days :D
[07:05] <knightwise> ouch
[07:05] <knightwise> A lot of the data of the company is stored offsite (cloud or has a remote copy)
[07:05] <knightwise> Same goes for our pics and our music collection
[07:06] <daftykins> hmm that reminds me i ought to leave a spare drive at my parents with my music on so there's at least that off-site
[07:06] <knightwise> pretty important
[07:07] <knightwise> i've been going through my old backup cd's this week and pulling off any data I still needed to save them from diskrot
[07:07] <daftykins> i put one co's docs into their google drive account once, as they already had google apps... but interestingly it killed windows search within that path
[07:08] <knightwise> yep , i think onedrive IS searchable
[07:09] <daftykins> hrmm not seen that working in person, i've linked some videos my xbox has created off it once or twice, though
[07:09] <daftykins> someone i know with an iMac and a Windows laptop needs docs synced between both, i was thinking of just giving dropbox a bash
[07:10] <daftykins> owncloud could've been fun, but with a dynamic home IP i think that'd be messy
[07:10] <knightwise> Then why not go for bittorrent sync ?
[07:10] <daftykins> i don't entirely trust the privacy on that one
[07:11] <daftykins> haven't seen v2 though
[07:11] <knightwise> I use it for the remote backups.
[07:21] <diplo> daftykins: Syncthing!
[07:21] <diplo> :)
[07:21] <daftykins> o0
[07:59] <diddledan> mornin
[07:59] <daftykins> hello sir
[08:06] <daftykins> diddledan: new Deus Ex!
[08:06] <daftykins> \o/
[08:29] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:32] <daftykins> heya
[08:33] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:36] <daftykins> hey brobostigon
[08:37] <brobostigon> hey daftykins
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Draw a Picture of a Bird Day! :-D
[09:03] <zmoylan-pi> tragic story behind that one
[09:04] <daftykins> not big-bird?
[09:04] <daftykins> nooooooooo!
[09:04] <JamesTait> It'll be all the more tragic if I decide to participate.
[09:04] <daftykins> hahaha
[09:04] <daftykins> same here
[09:06] <JamesTait> msm__, are you responsible for this one? A cunning ploy to try to get me to showcase my "talent"? ;)
[09:06] <msm__> JamesTait: Ha ha. DO you know, I've never drawn a bird!
[09:06] <msm__> although there is always a first time :)
[09:07] <msm__> There is a rather cute (and picture worthy) robin in my gardne
[09:07] <zmoylan-pi> not even the wonky m in the skies of pics as a kid?
[09:07] <msm__> zmoylan-pi: oh yes, there were those
[09:07] <zmoylan-pi> so you have technically drawn a bird then :-)
[09:07] <JamesTait> zmoylan-pi, I even managed to make those not look like birds. ;)
[09:08] <msm__> JamesTait: Now I'm going to have to draw a bird!
[09:08] <JamesTait> msm__, glad to be of inspiration. :-P
[09:08] <msm__> Oh yes :P
[09:09] * JamesTait looks around, realises his camera is nowhere to be seen.
[09:09] <msm__> JamesTait: Bad planning!
[09:09] <msm__> :)
[09:10] <JamesTait> I have images to transfer from the SD card, so I can't argue with that!
[09:11] <JamesTait> ~v~ <-- bird
[09:11] <zmoylan-pi> m <-bird
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> . <--bird that is very very far away :-)
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> (")>
[09:54] <popey> ^
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> steam wafting over a cup of coffee... good idea :-)
[09:56] <zmoylan-pi> kettle approaching boiling, choccie biccies located...
[09:56] <popey> Elevensies!
[09:57] <zmoylan-pi> exactamundo!
[09:57] <popey> i just had a toasted bagel and coffee
[09:57] <popey> and a smoothie
[09:57] <knightwise> popey: sound yum !
[09:58] <Myrtti> I'm trying out some coffee I got from TK Maxx
[09:58] <Myrtti> not too bad
[09:58] <popey> I think my taste buds are shot. I can't tell the difference between one coffee and another.
[09:58] <popey> or indeed instant
[09:58] <Myrtti> I can't stand the Finnish drip machine stuff anymore
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Bagel. I have bagels. I also have an empty tum-tum. I wonder what the solution could possibly be.....?
[10:01] <popey> need butter
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> think of the money you save drinking instant instead of silly expensive coffee
[10:01] <diplo> Stop talking about food please!!!! I'm so hungry and no food here!
[10:01] <popey> hah
[10:01] * zmoylan-pi has cheese trianges for bagels later
[10:01] <popey> Last night I had a bagel for tea, toasted, buttered, added cheese then microwaved for 20 seconds to melt it
[10:02] <popey> was yum
[10:02] <popey> and nuclear hot
[10:02] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Instant is "emergency coffee"
[10:03] <Azelphur> popey: been trying out Ubuntu touch on my tablet recently, not much of a fan right now though, it's weird how they haven't brought over some easy to port stuff that'd make the platform so much better (eg VLC)
[10:03] <zmoylan-pi> this is emergency coffee as no bugger will touch it till the dogs milk runs out... :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Coffee
[10:05] <popey> "easy to port"
[10:05] <popey> feel free to do that
[10:06] <popey> what tablet out of interest?
[10:06] <Azelphur> Nexus 7
[10:06] <popey> k
[10:07] <Azelphur> popey: I would assume it supports mir already, if not you could just use xmir, I bet it has a touch/tablet theme too
[10:07] <popey> ahhh assumption
[10:07] <popey> no, it doesn't support mir
[10:07] <Azelphur> then xmir would work fine anyway :P
[10:07] <popey> and xmir isn't on the phone yet, but is under development
[10:07] <popey> not finished yet
[10:07] <Azelphur> ah
[10:08] <Azelphur> that's one of the main things I was interested in having, xmir
[10:08] <Azelphur> that'll be a killer feature when it lands imo
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, and congrats to Team Ubuntu for no longer being treated like a leper on the Dell site. Listed as an OS option and everything!
[10:13] <knightwise> Still jonesing for the new xps13
[10:14] <Azelphur> popey: that said I haven't looked super deeply into Ubuntu touch, are there any cool features I'm missing? :)
[10:14] <TwistedLucidity> It looks like a semi-decent machine. Not sure why only 8GB for RAM for a "developer" edition. But that's small beans really.
[10:14] <Azelphur> I'm dual booting my nexus 7 so I can happily swap between Android and Ubuntu touch, I just haven't found anything I'd actually use touch for yet lol
[10:15] <knightwise> I ordered the ubuntu phone , expect it to arrive anytime soon now.
[10:16] <knightwise> so if i'm correct dell now has complete driver support for the xps13
[10:16] <Azelphur> knightwise: cool, feel free to field the above question too, I'm just looking for cool things to do with it / cool apps :)
[10:18] <knightwise> Azelphur: i'll do a review for the knightwise.com and carry it around for a couple of weeks
[10:18] <Azelphur> nice
[11:10] <davmor2> incoming for JamesTait
[11:10] <davmor2> _ _.-''''''--._
[11:10] <davmor2> .` `. ...------.\
[11:10] <davmor2> / |O :-` _,.,---'
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[11:10] <davmor2> | _.' (
[11:10] <davmor2> ,' _,' `-.
[11:10] <davmor2> : / '.
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[11:10] <davmor2> `-._ \
[11:10] <davmor2> '. ,-. \
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[11:10] <davmor2> , ''- . _,-'.,-' ``: \
[11:10] <davmor2> '-...._ (( (('-.._ \ \
[11:10] <davmor2> `--.. `'-. \ \
[11:10] <davmor2> `.. ' \ \
[11:10] <davmor2> `\ \fsr `"
[11:10] <davmor2> \/
[11:10] <davmor2> I cheated and brorrowed someone elses :)
[11:11] <JamesTait> davmor2, toucan play at that game!
[11:11] <davmor2> bad dum tish
[11:11] * popey tuts
[11:13] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:13] <davmor2> popey, JamesTait: http://www.chris.com/ascii/index.php?art=animals/birds%20%28land%29 there are some really nice one here :)
[11:13] <bigcalm> Apr 8 12:12:11 INS01AMR01 postfix/smtp[24458]: connect to smtp.mailgun.org[50.56.21.178]:587: Connection timed out
[11:14] <bigcalm> What might cause connections to an SMTP server to timeout?
[11:14] <knightwise> google forgot to renew the cert
[11:14] <knightwise> if you are using gmail that is
[11:15] <awilkins> As someone said, they probably forget their Google Calendar reminder :-)
[11:15] <knightwise> great quote ! :
[11:15] <JamesTait> davmor2, smaller ones as well. ;)
[11:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: yeah but I wanted to spam you with something you would cherish for the day :P
[11:17] <JamesTait> You're all heart, davmor2. ;)
[11:17] * bashrc_ thought google had fixed that
[11:18] <bigcalm> davmor2: that list is missing the BBC Micro logo
[11:20] <JamesTait> bigcalm, is it trying to talk SSL on the STARTTLS port, perhaps? I've seen that either drop the connection immediately or time out.
[11:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: possibly trademarked all of them are assigned sigs so I suppose they can't list trademarked stuff without permission maybe ? just a guess though
[11:21] <bigcalm> JamesTait: oh, how might I check?
[11:21] <bigcalm> JamesTait: I'm doing this via postfix config
[11:22] <bigcalm> Taken from https://rtcamp.com/tutorials/linux/ubuntu-postfix-gmail-smtp/
[11:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: telnet the port
[11:22] <JamesTait> I usually use tcpdump for stuff like that.
[11:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/postfix.html testing it is listed lower down
[11:23] <JamesTait> If there's nothing obvious in the logs - I can't remember if Postfix logs anything sensible when it happens.
[11:24] <bigcalm> Looks like telnetting to 587 is going to timeout
[11:25] <bigcalm> I fear I will have to get in touch with the hosting company
[11:25] <JamesTait> bigcalm, you could try changing the port on the relayhost to 25
[11:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: check if there was an update that change the config on you
[11:26] <JamesTait> And I assume also in the sasl password config.
[11:26] <bigcalm> Postfix couldn't connect to mail servers on port 25 (timeout) so I thought I'd try an authenticated SMTP server. But that's timing out as well
[11:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: just thinking out loud on that one, ie if you are pointing at the port you expect to work and it is pointing at another, also check you ssl/starttls certs are valid
[11:27] <bigcalm> Annoying when a hosting company restricts outgoing traffic from a server
[11:28] <JamesTait> bigcalm, yeah, smtp.mailgun.org responds on both ports 25 and 587 from here.
[11:29] <bigcalm> JamesTait: and from my own machine but not the server
[11:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: just updated ca-certificates but it didn't change the outcome
[11:29] * bigcalm goes to find lunch
[11:29] <bigcalm> Thanks for the debug tips guys
[11:29] <JamesTait> No worries. :)
[11:48] <TwistedLucidity> A little flock for you all: 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦 🐦
[11:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: that will 10,000 credits please
[11:49] <TwistedLucidity> (Unicode 1F426)
[12:07] <popey> bah!
[12:07] <popey> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_four
[12:07] <popey> that's using flash isn't it?
[12:09] <intrbiz> popey: yes it's flash
[12:11] <popey> :(
[12:11] <intrbiz> popey: why?
[12:11] <popey> flash sucks :)
[12:13] <Azelphur> I actually "made the jump" and uninstalled flash last week
[12:13] <zmoylan-pi> don't worry some bank or government department will put up a page that requires it :-)
[12:14] <Azelphur> I have chrome for that, but I use Firefox (without flash) as my daily driver
[12:15] <moreati> looks like VLC can use these URLs for streaming BBC radio http://www.suppertime.co.uk/blogmywiki/2015/04/updated-list-of-bbc-network-radio-urls/
[12:15] <popey> need to update my radio tray urls
[12:16] <popey> thanks moreati
[12:19] <popey> \o/ works a treat
[12:22] <popey> http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/08/ship-this-bed-tv-ad-asa-bedworld is fun
[12:27] <awilkins> If they're smart they're buying shipthebed.com right now
[12:28] <awilkins> And it's slightly ruder compatriot
[12:44] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/11520819/Google-looking-at-buying-Twitter.html
[12:46] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Why am I reminded of the warnings before Billy Connolly stand-up shows, and people would *STILL* write in to complain?
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> people like to complain
[12:47] <popey> people are idiots
[12:47] <popey> hmm, that radio 4 link doesn't work on firefox OS
[12:47] <popey> i feel less annoyed now
[12:47] <TwistedLucidity> Everyone except me!
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> simple people of the land, you know, morons :-)
[12:48] <popey> wish it used html audio rather than relying on flash and some android app :(
[12:48] <TwistedLucidity> popey: R4 links works perfectly.
[12:49] <TwistedLucidity> But I do have the "HAL" stuff installed that Flash needs and is no longer provided.
[12:49] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, Firefox **OS**. What was that about me not being an idiot?
[12:49] <TwistedLucidity> Heh
[12:50] <popey> i didnt say the links didnt work
[12:50] <popey> but yeah, on ffos
[12:50] <popey> (I don't have hal btw)
[12:51] <TwistedLucidity> Now that DRM has been baked into HTML, can't see it being too long before the drop Flash.
[12:51] <TwistedLucidity> But the BBC have been a bit less co-operative of late with non-standard platforms
[12:51] <diddledan> thething with drm being baked into html is it still requires a plugin
[12:52] <zmoylan-pi> there will be sites that require flash in years to come. just because
[12:52] <TwistedLucidity> diddledan: Aye, but the API is there.
[12:52] <diddledan> we're removing the proprietary flash plugin and replacing it with the proprietary widevine plugin
[12:52] <apt-get-moo> isn't this just the flash story all over again?
[12:52] <TwistedLucidity> And as it's just there to "OK" the content coming through, does it take anything to do with displaying the content?
[12:53] <diddledan> it has to decrypt it
[12:53] <diddledan> and drnm usually requires end-to-end encryption on the display chain using dvi or hdmi or displayport with hdcp
[12:53] <TwistedLucidity> But it's just a stream, no? It doesn't care about filesystem access, user actions etc etc.
[12:54] <diddledan> mozilla are planning on sandboxing the poo out of it, but it can still probably wiggle free
[12:57] <bashrc_> frying pan meets fire
[12:58] <bashrc_> flash is definitely on the way out
[12:58] <diddledan> and we all have to thank steve bobs for that
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> we should get him a nobel peace prize or something...
[12:59] <diddledan> too late, he died
[12:59] <popey> tempting http://www.memorybits.co.uk/shop/microsd/sandisk-64gb-ultra-microsdxc-plus-sd-adapter-sdsdquan064gg4a/28252
[12:59] <zmoylan-pi> oh, you have to be alive for a nobel...
[12:59] <bashrc_> stevie started the trend, but really flash was hated long before that
[13:00] <diddledan> popey: that's cheap
[13:00] <popey> ya
[13:00] <diddledan> get two at twice the price
[13:00] <diddledan> that's the first rule of government spending iirc?
[13:01] <bashrc_> would go well with something like a Rpi2 or cubieboard4
[13:03] * popey purchases
[13:03] * popey will be putting it in his ubuntu phone
[13:04] <popey> and yay, just got a 10% off promo code, which is handy because I wanted a second card :)
[13:04] <diddledan> lol
[13:04] <diddledan> that's sneaky
[13:05] <zmoylan-pi> they're reeling popey in... :-)
[13:05] <popey> they always do that
[13:05] <popey> I have bought from them many times
[13:05] <popey> code is valid for 3 months too.
[13:06] <popey> also http://www.memorybits.co.uk/shop/search/sandisk-ultra-128gb-microsdxc-uhsi-memory-card-with-sd-adapter/27444
[13:06] <popey> :)
[13:06] <popey> imagine one of those in a converged phone...
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> my first pc had 20mb drive...
[13:07] <ali1234> yes, imagine the huge storage capacity of an ssd from 3 years ago, combined with the transfer speed of a hdd from 10 years ago
[13:07] <diddledan> 360KB floppies FTW
[13:07] <zmoylan-pi> then when i added a 32mb cf card to my psion i felt invincible!! :-)
[13:14] <popey> anyone got any idea why this might happen? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10759863/ bug 1441053
[13:14] <lubotu3`> bug 1441053 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "Two network adapters on same LAN causes 30s drop-outs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441053
[13:15] <ali1234> google dns has been acting up recently
[13:15] <ali1234> by recently i mean the past 24 hours
[13:15] <popey> i could use any other IP and the same happens
[13:16] <ali1234> sure, just saying
[13:16] <popey> but yeah, i saw that too
[13:16] <ali1234> you have both adapters connected to the same network?
[13:17] <popey> yes
[13:17] <ali1234> why would that even work?
[13:18] <diddledan> popey: what about pinging other devices on your lan?
[13:18] <popey> its always worked
[13:18] <popey> I've had this laptop 3 years and for most of those 3 years it's been sat both wired and wifi at the same time, no issue
[13:19] <davmor2> popey: you on vivid?
[13:19] <popey> i am now, yes
[13:19] <ali1234> i'm going to blame systemd
[13:19] <popey> heh
[13:19] <popey> i could boot an old iso pre-systemd and test it I guess
[13:19] <popey> if I could find one...
[13:19] <diplo> I have the same, both enabled, never any issues. Sorry couldn't help more :)
[13:19] <diplo> Anyone here use Ansible at all ?
[13:20] <bigcalm> o/
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> the ftl communicator in sci fi...? :-)
[13:20] <popey> morning bigcalm
[13:20] <diplo> Do you use it for ssh keys at all bigcalm ?
[13:20] <bigcalm> Ello popey
[13:20] <intrbiz> diplo: to deploy ssh keys?
[13:20] <bigcalm> diplo: um, I already have the ssh keys in place
[13:21] <diplo> I've seen the authorized_keys module, but what I'm thinking of doing is having one authorized keys file that I add remove from and push it as a file rather than use a specific module
[13:21] <diplo> Yeah so do I currently, wanting to automate removing / adding to lots of sites when someone leaves
[13:21] * bigcalm passes over to intrbiz
[13:21] <popey> hmm, wonder if I can even uninstall systemd
[13:22] <diplo> But our users come from windows machines/linux servers etc so authorized_keys module won't work totally as wanted
[13:22] <ali1234> well you should be able to, i mean the first thing that happens when anyone mentions problems with systemd is someone comes along and shouts about how easy it is to uninstall it
[13:22] <intrbiz> diplo: I use the following: http://pastebin.com/wPCLd1JB
[13:23] * bashrc_ likes systemd
[13:23] <intrbiz> diplo: if you just push one file, you need to make sure permissions are correct, and you won't play nice with other things or people
[13:23] <ali1234> i'm still using trusty
[13:23] <intrbiz> diplo: why won't authorized_keys module work?
[13:24] <diplo> Well if I do it like you've done, I'm guessing the public_keys is a directory with peoples pub keys ?
[13:24] <intrbiz> diplo: yup
[13:24] <diplo> Because some keys will come from puttygen etc, the way I was reading that module was that it looked at peoples home dirs etc
[13:25] <diplo> Yeah that may work instead
[13:25] <intrbiz> diplo: when someone leaves you simply move the pubkey to revoked dir
[13:25] <diplo> I like that idea!
[13:25] <diplo> I'm very very new to ansible, just like the simplicity!
[13:25] <intrbiz> diplo: putty just has a different format, it's easy enough to reformat to the openssh format
[13:25] <diplo> ssh keys is always an issue, don't ask what the staff at my place are like ( they still use telnet!!!!!! )
[13:25] <bashrc_> never used ansible. What's it for?
[13:26] <shauno> communication at greater-than-light-speed
[13:26] <diplo> Think puppet/chef but without having to run client side agents bashrc_
[13:26] <intrbiz> bashrc_: config management / deployment, it's like puppet, but less overhead
[13:26] <diplo> All over ssh
[13:26] <bashrc_> oh ok
[13:31] <diplo> Spin up a VM to test now
[13:32] <diplo> bah, tidied the machine up to reinstall and removed them all! :/
[13:33] <awilkins> Does the "Let's Encrypt" CA actually get shipped into Firefox / Chrome etc?
[13:33] <awilkins> Ah, they're not up and running yet
[13:33] <diplo> I've been waiting on them too
[13:33] <intrbiz> awilkins: IIRC their root was or is going to be cross signed
[13:34] <awilkins> intrbiz, Guess I'll get one from StartSSL
[13:34] <diplo> Q: How will your root be trusted? A: Initially, with IdenTrust cross-sig. Will apply to root programs ASAP.
[13:37] <intrbiz> awilkins: yeh, if it is non-commerical
[13:38] <diplo> intrbiz: Do you use ansible in a big way ?
[13:40] <intrbiz> diplo: I use it to deploy stuff as much as I can, not got any large scale stuff. Used to manage around 100 machines with Puppet before
[13:41] <diplo> I'm having a truly hard time convincing my boss this is the way forward ( Automation not specifically ansible ) they still build everything manually
[13:41] <diplo> So spending a bit of time with out them knowing setting up one of our sites locally, and when he visits in the next few weeks I want to show how quickly I can deploy an exact setup ( takes them hours atm )
[13:42] <diplo> Did I mention they still use telnet!
[13:42] <intrbiz> diplo: ah, argue that automated deployments leads to more standardisation, higher quality deployments, less errors and after initial period, quicker
[13:42] <diplo> Done that, like pounding head against a brick wall, actions speak more here
[13:43] <diplo> I've written more documentation in the last few years than the rest of the 17 staff have in the last 15!
[13:43] <intrbiz> diplo: I like that with Ansible I can setup servers or work on servers which have been hand built, etc, running over SSH is a big win when you can't have an agent or master server
[13:43] <diplo> yeah defo, that's what I liked about it the first time I heard about it, watched a few youtube vids and was sold
[13:44] <intrbiz> diplo: hehe :) deployment scripts also end up being a form of documentation
[13:45] <intrbiz> diplo: nothing stop just you using ansible to deploy stuff, people are likely to follow when things work better for you
[13:45] <diplo> yeah, they don't write any comments in any of their code, so hopefully me writing this and documenting it and commenting it may start to sink in the usefulness of it
[13:45] <diplo> yeah, exactly what I'm thinking, deploy my local test vm's etc
[13:45] <intrbiz> diplo: what kind of stuff are you deploying?
[13:46] <diplo> We sell our own ERP software, text based with a browser based one in the works too, so it's setting up clients servers and making changes etc
[13:47] <diplo> We have about 80-100 customers, about 150 servers running CentOS 4 to 6
[13:47] <diplo> Web servers for the E-commerce part as well
[13:47] <diplo> Routers and mail servers for a lot of those customers too
[13:48] <diplo> We are the security nightmare!
[13:49] <intrbiz> diplo: note with centos 5 you need to install the python-json rpm
[13:50] <diplo> ah okay, noted thanks, only a few sites on 5, most are either 4 ( yes i know its EOL! ) and the rest on 6
[13:51] <diplo> We can't move to CentOS7 yet as the software wasn't written to support 64bit ( our own compiled software )
[13:52] <awilkins> Doesn't CentOS 7 have multiarch?
[13:54] <diplo> maybe, this software was written 15+years ago, fixes to make it work here and there
[13:54] <diplo> I think it specifically looks for x86 in uname, it's fixable to run, just going to take time
[14:00] <knightwise> ok , picking up a micro sd card later on for my raspberry pi
[14:01] <knightwise> I was thinking of hooking it up to a monitor and running mate on it but i don't realy see the point
[14:02] <zmoylan-pi> because you can... :-)
[14:02] <intrbiz> diplo: not based on Progress per chance?
[14:03] <awilkins> +
[14:03] <awilkins> Oops
[14:09] <diplo> Nope, Simple - simple by name and nature
[14:10] <diplo> It was another companies software, we bought them out about 10 years ago and now own the license, albeit we are pretty much the only ones who use it now
[14:10] <diplo> Another 5 years maybe and it'll be out of our hair :/
[14:10] <intrbiz> diplo: ah ok
[14:11] <diplo> Most of our staff are in their late 40's early 50's, been writing in it for 15-20 years
[14:12] <diplo> Started off in proper machinee code :)
[14:12] <intrbiz> sure
[14:12] <awilkins> Heh
[14:12] <diplo> GOTO 10 :P
[14:12] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like you'll be hiring them past retirement to keep it running
[14:12] <awilkins> I worked for a company that had to buy the Rich Text Format widget they were using because all their reporting depended on it and the company that sold it went to the wall
[14:13] <diplo> That's why me and my friend were employed, we worked for a company that used the ERP, but we were so big that we coded stuff ourselves for it, we had the source code
[14:13] <diplo> They basically can't employ anyone with our skills, I won't touch it though :)
[14:13] <diplo> Sounds like us awilkins
[14:14] <awilkins> We had escrow agreements with all our customers to be able to deliver the source if WE went bust
[14:14] <diplo> But it is so huge it's taken years to move stuff away from it, we're basically abstracting it now to our own software in c++ and eventually will be able to use any front end to interact
[14:15] <diplo> The company I used to work for had the same awilkins, we were too locked in with them to not be
[14:15] <awilkins> This was all VB3 of course :-)
[14:15] <diplo> :(
[14:16] <awilkins> It won't even run on 64-bit windows because it has no 64-32-16 bit thunking layer
[14:16] <diplo> Our web front end is currently php, but we've also written a c# client and android app
[14:16] <awilkins> TBH you learn a lot from using cheesy languages like VB3
[14:16] <awilkins> When you can write good code in VB, you've gained something in terms of discipline
[14:16] <zmoylan-pi> vb is not a bad language. it's tainted by basic and all the bad variants of those
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> but the current versions are no longer basic
[14:17] <awilkins> Indeed
[14:17] <awilkins> I refuse to learn VB.NET on the grounds that it will erase my VB6 EEPROM
[14:17] <ali1234> come on... vb makes basic look like the best language ever
[14:17] <awilkins> And VB6 will be one of the COBOLs of the future
[14:17] <zmoylan-pi> and they let you paint yourself into a corner unlike languages of the time like pascal that made you do things the 'right way'
[14:17] <diplo> yeah I guess, same can be said for simple, we've written key generators and stuff like that in it now that was supposed to not be able to be done
[14:18] <bashrc_> on error continue all the things!
[14:18] <diplo> ooh vm is nearly done!
[14:18] <awilkins> Ugh
[14:18] <awilkins> I know of at least one "professional" coder who puts "On Error Resume Next" at the top of everything
[14:18] <bashrc_> yes I think that was it
[14:18] <awilkins> It's actually possible to do proper structured error handling in VB, I have some nice libs for it
[14:18] <davmor2> awilkins: you really need to stop doing that
[14:18] <awilkins> I have a VB6 dev kit on a VM in my archives
[14:18] <bashrc_> back in the day people would routinely use that, and it resulted in debugging nightmares
[14:20] <diplo> You never want to look at our code :D
[14:20] <diplo> it is a nightmare! No comments, some of the programs are 5-6k lines long
[14:21] <zmoylan-pi> never look at someone elses code :-)
[14:21] * awilkins has Java programs where some of the *classes* are 5-6klines long
[14:22] <diplo> hah
[14:22] <zmoylan-pi> i remember 'fixing' some ancient code where it was 10k lines in one text file, no functions or procedures. just gosub and goto...
[14:22] <bashrc_> I think that's known as a hairball
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> and line numbers were in an interesting nonsequential order...
[14:23] <intrbiz> I decompiled a Java app we brought in in a previous job, to debug some lockups
[14:23] <zmoylan-pi> i saw it as more kerplunk :-)
[14:23] <intrbiz> their util class was 26,000 lines long
[14:23] * awilkins finds the Java class with 6.125 klines of copde
[14:23] <awilkins> Well, that's a nasty smell right there "Util class"
[14:23] <intrbiz> hehe
[14:24] <intrbiz> I have on in my code, it is mostly used for: static isEmpty(String s)
[14:24] <intrbiz> this product was pretty special
[14:24] <intrbiz> web forms software
[14:25] <intrbiz> riddled with bugs
[14:25] <awilkins> isEmpty(String s) because s may be null?
[14:25] <awilkins> or "empty" includes whitespace?
[14:25] <intrbiz> awilkins: s == null || s.length == 0
[14:27] <awilkins> Would probably prefer to just use Preconditions.assertNotNull(s) on the first line
[14:27] <awilkins> If null has a special meaning, deal with it explicitly, otherwise, treat it as an error
[14:27] <intrbiz> not always an option when dealing with user input
[19:31] <diddledan> thankyou LinuxFormat: they pointed me to https://code.launchpad.net/~kirkland/hollywood/trunk
[21:10] <xboxOne> Uhh
[21:10] <xboxOne> What is the difference between Ubuntu and Ubuntu-uk?
[21:13] <daftykins> that one is primarily support
[21:13] <daftykins> this one is regional and strays a little more off topic and chatty
[21:14] <xboxOne> Ah
[21:14] <daftykins> if you have a question, you can ask in both - but might get more responses over there
[21:14] <xboxOne> But you also provide support, right?
[21:14] <xboxOne> Is true people saying Ubuntu is dying?
[21:15] <daftykins> that doesn't sound like a support question to me
[21:15] <xboxOne> LOL!
[21:15] <xboxOne> You said this place is chatty
[21:15] <xboxOne> so I am chatting
[21:16] <daftykins> good for you :)
[21:16] <xboxOne> Hey guess which IRC client I am using? :)
[21:16] <daftykins> i don't know how anyone gauges any given distros lifespan
[21:16] <daftykins> er i'm not especially fussed
[21:16] <xboxOne> Well, people say because it uses unity
[21:16] <xboxOne> it sucks now
[21:16] <xboxOne> and therefore off the wagon
[21:17] <daftykins> plenty of other desktop spins to use, xubuntu, lubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu gnome, ubuntu MATE
[21:17] <xboxOne> Man, there is just lots of flavors for Ubuntu
[21:38] <daftykins> yip
[22:45] <m0nkey_> Heh, not forgetting the rest of the other window manager, awesome, ratpoison, gnustep, e17...
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[13:53] <Fnerd> hallo
[13:57] <Fnerd> ich komme nicht mehr in meinen Acount, ich gebe zwar immer das richtige password ein (also Zumindiest Beschwerd sich Ubuntu nicht das es Falsch ist) aber ich werde danach immer wieder auf den anmeldebildschirm zurück verwiesen und muss mein passsword nochmal eingeben und ansonsten passiert nichts mehr
[13:58] <LetoThe2nd> Fnerd: die Klassiker wären: 1) festplatten speziell die mit deinem home rappelvoll 2) rechte im home kaputt
[13:58] <k1l> log dich mal auf ner tty strg+alt+f1 ein und guck mit "ls -al" was in deinem /home alles root gehört
[13:59] <Fnerd> ich habe zuvor lxde installiert
[14:00] <Fnerd> könnte es vieleicht damit etwas zutun haben?
[14:01] <k1l> ich würde vorschlagen du guckst erstmal die einfachen lösungen nach. wenn die klappen sind wir hier schnell fertig
[14:11] <Fnerd> wenn ich mich per tty einlogen will sagt er auch login incorect
[14:11] <k1l> wat?
[14:12] <LetoThe2nd> capslock, tastaturlayout?
[14:12] <Fnerd> oder wart ich versuchs nochmal
[14:12] <k1l> sicher, dass nicht das pw verkehrt ist? oder capslock an, oder sonderzeichen mit anderem layout?
[14:13] <Fnerd> also es sah alles ganz normal aus vllt tataturlayout
[14:13] <Fnerd> andere frage wie komm ich den wieder aus dem tty raus oder kann hin und her wechseln?
[14:14] <k1l> mit strg+alt+f7
[14:14] <Fnerd> thx
[14:16] <W00lf> wenn keiner mitschaut dann tipp doch mal dein passwort beim benutzername um zu sehen ob das tastaturlayout etc stimmt, keyboard funzt, usw ;-)
[14:17] <Fnerd> hmm okay
[14:18] <Fnerd> müsste alles stimmen
[14:18] <Fnerd> hmm was ist da los
[14:19] <Fnerd> vllt weil ich aus Neugier um zusehen ob der LXDE vieleicht bei startx startet
[14:20] <Fnerd> ich b in übrigens jetzt über den Gastzugang drin
[14:21] <k1l> ja das ist ein typischer fehler der einem die file permissions im /home zersägt
[14:21] <nagetier> würde sich ein volles /home nicht auch so bemerkbar machen?
[14:21] <k1l> deswegen mach mal ein "df -h" und zeig das in einem pastebin
[14:21] <k1l> !paste > Fnerd
[14:21] <kubine> Fnerd: Nicht selbst geschriebener Text wird im IRC sehr unleserlich und unhandlich. Deshalb sollten mehr als 3 Zeilen immer in einen sogenannten Nopaste-Service wie z.B. http://paste.ubuntu.com/ abgelegt werden. Nach dem Speichern kannst du dann die URL der Seite kopieren und sie statt des Textes hier im Channel posten.
[14:22] <Fnerd> ja wie wenn ich nicht rerin komm?
[14:22] <nagetier> k1l, er kommt ja nicht mehr heran, wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe :) heißt also Ubuntu Live starten und die Partitionen mounten
[14:23] <k1l> du bist doch im guest account. da kannste in nem temrinal doch "df -h" machen
[14:23] <k1l> um erstmal zu gucken ob da vielleich einfach der platten platz weg ist
[14:23] <nagetier> ok, hatte ich überlesen
[14:26] <Fnerd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10773440/
[14:26] <kubine> Fnerd: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[14:27] <k1l> dann sind garantiert die rechte im /home zerschossen durch startx nutzung. aber trotzdem solltest du auf tty1 noch einloggen können mit dem richtigen pw
[14:28] <Fnerd> hmm
[14:29] <Fnerd> so bin drin im tty
[14:29] <nagetier> Fnerd, schau mal ob du von dem derzeitigen Account per su auf den anderen kommst
[14:29] <nagetier> ah
[14:30] <k1l> dann "ls -al" und guck was root:root gehört
[14:33] <Fnerd> und wie paste ich das jetzt?
[14:34] <k1l> reicht ja erstmal wenn du guckst
[14:34] <Fnerd> hab ich
[14:34] <k1l> sind da sachen root:root?
[14:34] <k1l> .gvfs ist ok wenn es root gehört. aber vor allem .Xauthority sollte user:user gehören
[14:35] <Fnerd> jupp
[14:35] <Fnerd> das tut es bei mir nicht
[14:36] <k1l> dann "sudo chown user:user .Xauthority" setze anstatt user genau deinen usernamen ein. und den an die groß-kleinschreibung
[14:36] <Fnerd> okay
[14:44] <Fnerd> hmm er findet das user verzeichnis nicht
[14:45] <k1l> wobei?
[14:45] <Fnerd> na bei sudo chown user :user .Xauthority
[14:46] <Fuchs> was soll er da fuer ein Verzeichnis finden?
[14:46] <Fuchs> wenn Dein Username z.B. fnerd ist, dann lautet der Befehl sudo chown fnerd:fnerd .Xauthority
[14:47] <k1l> zwischen user:user kommt kein leerzeichen
[14:47] <Fuchs> natuerlich musst Du dazu in Deinem Home sein, wenn Du das nicht bist, dann ist etwas anderes komplett schief gelaufen (ein cd ohne weitere Argumente sollte das eigentlich richten. Eigentlich)
[14:47] <k1l> cd ~
[14:49] <Fnerd> okay danke das man mir das jetzt erst sagt :(
[14:49] <k1l> was denn?
[14:50] <Fnerd> na das ich cd /home machen muss
[14:50] <k1l> ich weiß ja nicht was du da rumwurschtelst. aber wenn "ls -al" die .Xauthority anzeigt, dann musst du im richtigen verzeichnis sein, nämlich deinem home. und wenn du den befehl so angewendet hättest wie ich es oben schon beschrieben habe (sogar extra mit 2 hinweisen!) dann wäre der drops schon gelutscht
[14:51] <k1l> Fnerd: nein
[14:51] <k1l> falsch
[14:51] <k1l> du loggst dich in die tty1 ein, und bist sofort in dem homeverzeichnis deines users in den du dich eingeloggt hast. du musst da gar nix mit cd machen
[14:52] <k1l> unsere hilfe war nur für den fall, dass du eigenhändig was gemacht hast.
[14:54] <Fnerd> ok
[14:56] <Fnerd> ok .Xauthority gehört jetzt user:user
[14:56] <Fnerd> danke für die hilfe
[14:56] <Fnerd> aber wie komme ich jetzt zu meinem lxde?
[14:56] <k1l> dann ausloggen aus dem guest in der gui und dann am loginscreen testen
[14:57] <Fnerd> okay
[14:57] <Fnerd> danke für die hilfe
[15:10] <e-i-k-e> abend
[15:11] <e-i-k-e> kann mir jmd. sagen welches paket ich mir beim update von 14.04 auf 14.10 zerschossen habe -> http://i.imgur.com/1zsDJrd.png
[15:11] <e-i-k-e> also der teils schwarze fensterhintergrund ist gemeint
[15:12] <k1l> das theme?
[15:12] <jokrebel_> sieht sehr nach teilkaputten Thema aus. Versuch mal über die Einstellungen/Erscheinungsbild das Thema auf ein anderes zu setzen.
[15:13] <e-i-k-e> sehe gerade. scheint syslinux-themes-debian-wheezy zu sein
[15:14] <jokrebel_> ...was sich eher nicht wie Ubuntu liest <g>
[15:16] <e-i-k-e> das stimmt...
[15:17] <e-i-k-e> ist wohl auch nicht schuld daran
[15:17] <jokrebel_> _ist_ es kein Ubuntu? Oder nur das Theme halt nicht
[15:18] <e-i-k-e> nene, ist schon ubuntu. aber das beschädigte paket das ich in aptitude gesehen habe beim upgrade hieß nur so als wäre es eine grafik theme. aber in synaptic steht zu dem paket nur SYSLINUX ist eine Sammlung von Boot-Loadern, die von den Linux-
[15:18] <e-i-k-e> Dateisystemen
[17:38] <mmp> hey, ich habe etwas merkwürdiges festgestellt. Auf dem server läuft ovpn. Wenn ich route eingebe, zeigt er mir localhost und bei route -n 10.8.0.2 an. Diese ist aber weder in der /etc/hosts noch beim bind hinterlegt
[18:44] <bekks> mmp0028: Warum sollte eine Route in der /etc/hosts oder in bind hinterlegt sein?
[18:46] <mmp0028> bekks: weil laut route eine route mit localhost steht und mit route -n dies als 10.8.0.2 aufgelöst wird
[18:47] <bekks> mmp0028: Und warum sollte deswegen eine Route in der /etc/hosts oder in bind hinterlegt sein?
[18:47] <bekks> Eine Route hat genau nichts mit der NAmensauflösung zu tun.
[18:47] <mmp0028> bekks: und wieso kommt der auf diese namensauflösung
[18:48] <bekks> Auf welche Namensauflösung? Routen haben NICHTS mit der Namensauflösung zu tun.
[18:51] <mmp0028> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10775538/ so ist mir diese Namensauflösung aufgefallen
[18:51] <kubine> mmp0028: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[18:51] <bekks> Nochmal:
[18:51] <bekks> Routen haben NICHTS mit der Namensauflösung zu tun.
[18:54] <mmp0028> bekks: ja, aber mit der option -n werden nur die routen mit den IP-Adressen angezeigt. Ohne dieser Option werden die Namen angezeigt. Dies muss ja trotzdem irgendwo hinterlegt werden. Und JA, routen haben nichts mit der Namensauflösung zu tun
[18:55] <bekks> Die NAmensauflösung passiert über die konfigurierten Nameserver.
[18:55] <mmp0028> bekks: ja, das ist bind9. Da stehts aber nicht drin
[18:57] <mmp0028> bekks: und in der /etc/hosts stehts auch nicht
[18:58] <bekks> Was steht in der /etc/resolv.conf ?
[18:59] <mmp0028> domain privat.lokal
[18:59] <mmp0028> search privat.lokal
[18:59] <mmp0028> nameserver 192.168.0.1
[18:59] <bekks> Da hast Du deinen Nameserver.
[19:00] <mmp0028> Ich bin kein Idiot, das ist localhost und dort läuft bind9
[19:01] <bekks> Und der macht deine Namensauflösung.
[19:01] <mmp0028> es steht dort kein eintrag für 10.8.0.2
[19:02] <bekks> Hast Du die Auflösung mal mit dig geprüft?
[19:07] <mmp0028> bekks: dig löst localhost korrekt auf. Bin aber mit dig nicht so vertraut. habe dig @localhost aufgerufen
[19:07] <bekks> localhost ist nicht 192.168.0.1
[19:08] <bekks> Du musst dig aufrufen und schauen, welcher Name zu 10.8.0.2 aufgelöst wird.
[19:09] <bekks> Wenn localhost aufgelöst wird, ist das toll, aber völlig nutzlos zur Problemlösung.
[19:13] <mmp0028> bekks: entschuldige, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10775719/
[19:13] <kubine> mmp0028: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[19:13] <bekks> Was steht in deiner /etc/hosts?
[19:15] <mmp0028> nichts besonderes http://paste.ubuntu.com/10775744/
[19:15] <kubine> mmp0028: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[19:24] <mmp0028> bekks: eine Idee?
[19:26] <bekks> Welche Adresse löst dig zu fritz.box auf?
[19:27] <mmp0028> 192.168.120.40; ist richtig
[19:33] <jokrebel> ...ooO( warum nur zieh ich die Augenbrauen hoch wenn jemand 10.x.x.x anstelle von 192.168.x.x nutzt? )
[19:34] <bekks> Ich tippe immer noch auf bind, da 10.8.0.2 zu localhost aufgelöst wird.
[19:34] <mmp0028> jokrebel: damit es zu keinen Konflikten kommt. ist ja ein vpn
[19:35] <bekks> Wie sieht route OHNE openvpn aus?
[19:35] <mmp0028> bekks: ich habe sogar den cach vom bind angeschaut. Da ist kein eintrag.
[19:35] <mmp0028> bekks: moment
[19:35] <jokrebel> mmp0028: Und? Es gibt auch 192.168.137.x ... )
[19:36] <jokrebel> oder oder oder...
[19:37] <jokrebel> mmp0028: Wie viele Clients hast Du denn?
[19:37] <jokrebel> und wie fiele Subnetze?
[19:38] <mmp0028> bekks: die routen sind natürlich weg, aber die auflösung ist immernoch auf localhost
[19:38] <jokrebel> oO * viele
[19:38] <bekks> mmp0028: Und genau die Ausgabe möchte ich gerne mal sehen :)
[19:39] <mmp0028> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10775929/
[19:39] <kubine> mmp0028: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[19:40] <bekks> Das ist nicht die Ausgabe von "route" :)
[19:41] <mmp0028> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10775940/
[19:41] <kubine> mmp0028: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[19:41] <bekks> Wer administriert das OpenVPN auf Serverseite?
[19:41] <mmp0028> das ist der server
[19:43] <bekks> Und aktuell hast Du den openvpn Dienst gestoppt?
[19:43] <mmp0028> ja
[19:44] <bekks> Dann schau Dir mal das Setup davon an, was das Ding für Routen forciert.
[19:45] <mmp0028> das problem ist doch die namensauflösung
[19:45] <bekks> Nein, das Problem ist OpenVPN, das da komische Dinge tut.
[19:45] <bekks> Denn OHNE OpenVPN sieht alle gut aus.
[19:45] <bekks> *alles
[19:46] <mmp0028> wieso dig liefert doch den verweis auf localhost, auch wenn ovpn gestoppt ist
[19:48] <bekks> Zeig mir doch mal bitte ein lsb_release -a
[19:49] <mmp0028> bekks: hey, nur zum verständnis. dig -x 10.8.0.2 @192.168.120.40 gibt mir den namen für 10.8.0.2 mit dem dns-server 192.168.120.40 (fritz.box)
[19:49] <bekks> Zeig mir doch mal bitte ein lsb_release -a
[19:51] <mmp0028> No LSB modules are available.
[19:51] <bekks> Die komplette Ausgabe bitte, in einem Pastebin.
[19:51] <jokrebel> da sollte noch mehr stehn
[19:51] <mmp0028> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10776051/
[19:52] <kubine> mmp0028: Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)
[19:52] <bekks> Wundervoll.
[19:52] <bekks> Du hast ein Debian. also frag bitte den Debian Support.
[19:52] <jokrebel> Ach!
[19:52] <mmp0028> Das ist doch ein schlechter witz!
[19:52] <bekks> Nein.
[19:53] <bekks> DAs ist unser voller Ernst. Wir supporten hier Ubuntu, nicht Debian.
[19:55] <mmp0028> bekks: kannst du mir zumindest auf meine letzte frage eine antwort geben
[19:55] <jokrebel> mmp0028: Warum sollte das ein schlechter Witz sein? Du hast _kein_ Ubuntu und wir wissen nicht so genau was Debian selbst da so tut.
[19:59] <mmp0028> jokrebel: die clients sind alle ubuntu und hier machen ubuntu und debian keinen unterschied
[21:27] <Guest38849> hallo ich hab eine frage bzgl synchronisation bearbeiteter pdfs vom android tablet auf ubuntu rechner! kennt jemand von euch ein ubuntu programm welche diese erkennt
[21:27] <bekks> Suchst Du ein Programm zum Betrachten von PDF Dateien?
[21:27] <Guest38849> bei ubuntuuser bin ich nicht schlauer geworden
[21:28] <Guest38849> ich möchte sie sowohl unter ubuntu als auch unter dem tablet bearbeiten und einlesen können
[21:28] <bekks> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/PDF
[21:28] <kubine> bekks: Title: PDF › Wiki › ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)
[21:29] <Guest38849> erfahrungsberichte keine?
[21:30] <Guest38849> denn die seite hab ich schon durchstudiert
[21:30] <bekks> Dort sind die Programme genannt, die Du unter Ubuntu nutzen kannst.
[21:32] <Guest38849> ok danke :)
[21:57] <c0ne_> hallo miteinander, ich habe fragen dazum wie ich eine windows iso auf einen usb packen kann der sich dann booten lässt
[21:58] <c0ne_> kennt sich da wer aus?
[22:01] <bekks> #windows sollte das wissen, was man tun muss, um eine Windows ISO auf einen USB Stick zu bekommen.
[22:02] <c0ne_> ja, aber ich benutze linux =)
[22:02] <bekks> Was nichts an Windows und dem USB Stick ändert.
[22:03] <c0ne_> dann versteh ich deine antwort nicht
[22:03] <bekks> Wir wissen nicht, was man tun muss, um Windows von einem USB Stick zu booten. Für Ubuntu können wir Dir das sagen, aber Windows wirst Du so nicht booten können.
[22:04] <c0ne_> für ubuntu etc weiss ich das..
[22:04] <c0ne_> also geht das garnicht, windows von nem usb zu booten?
[22:04] <sash_> Im Wiki gibt es http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/UNetbootin/Windows-Installations-Stick_erstellen
[22:04] <kubine> sash_: Title: Windows-Installations-Stick erstellen › UNetbootin › Wiki › ubuntuusers.de (at wiki.ubuntuusers.de)
[22:05] <sash_> Aber ich weiß nicht, ob das mit 7 oder 8 geht
[22:05] <c0ne_> mit unetbootin habe ich das schon probiert =( stick erstellt, stick wird auch im bios erkannt, aber booten lässt es sich nicht =(
[22:06] <sash_> Dann machh dir ne Windows-VM mit Virtualbox und damit den Stick.
[22:06] <sash_> Support dafür dann aber natürlich nicht hier ;)
[22:06] <c0ne_> ohjee.. warum bin ich nicht darauf gekommen? xD
[22:06] <c0ne_> danke ^^
[22:07] <c0ne_> naja mein einziger grund für windows is eignetlich photoshop..
[22:07] <c0ne_> aber, danke für die hilfe =)
[22:56] <Rochvellon> gelbeEn__: hast du probleme mit deinem netzwerk?
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-uy
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[03:00] <magu42> ...
[17:08] <victortyau> donde esta libert charrua?
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-bugs
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[12:36] <Mate> hi. how could i get debug symbols for upstart=1.5-0ubuntu7.2? it's missing from precise-updates on ddebs.ubuntu.com (but arm* is there)
[18:03] <bladernr`> anyone around?
[18:03] <bladernr`> What should I file a bug against for the live USB environment?
[18:03] <bladernr`> specifically, persistent storage doesn't seem to work on my 14.04 USB stick
[18:04] <davmor2> bladernr_: interesting one
[18:04] <davmor2> bladernr_: possibly casper
[18:04] <bladernr_> davmor2: yeah, it kinda sucks... I spent 2 hours installing packages to one only to find out they all disappeared after I reboot :(
[18:04] <davmor2> bladernr_: but maybe have a word with cyphermox
[18:05] <bladernr_> cyphermox estas aqui?
[18:05] <bladernr_> davmor2: I will have pie next month.
[18:05] <davmor2> bladernr_: did you do a persistent install, it might be that the usb installer screwed up
[18:05] <cyphermox> sí
[18:05] <davmor2> bladernr_: oh why you in London
[18:06] <cyphermox> bladernr_: how did you setup that usb stick>
[18:06] <bladernr_> I created it using usb-creator-gtk (Startup Disk Creator) and specified a 4GB persistent file (on a 16GB stick) and the installation appeared successful (I can boot it and do stuff)
[18:07] <cyphermox> was usb-creator up to date, and which version of usb-creator? I think I remember something about this recently?
[18:07] <bladernr_> So as above, after that, I booted from it, installed a ton of stuff, rebooted and the ton of stuff was gone.
[18:07] <bladernr_> ummm hold on.
[18:07] <bladernr_> Yeah, according to apt-cache, 0.2.56.3 from trusty-updates
[18:08] <cyphermox> yeah, might be broken
[18:08] <cyphermox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/0.2.66
[18:09] <cyphermox> I'll try to get the SRU soon for the persistence part, guessing you're booting in EFI
[18:09] <bladernr_> Ahhh... interesting. I did boot in EFI mode
[18:09] <davmor2> bladernr_: fancy not knowing that do you not just sit there all day reading bug reports ;)
[18:09] <cyphermox> it's easy to check, in the grub menu verify whether you have 'persistent' set as a command-line parameter for the kernel
[18:11] <davmor2> bladernr_: man just as well I know cyphermox rocks right ;)
[18:12] <bladernr_> cyphermox: where would that be on the live stick? etc/grub.d? in which case there's no instance of "persistent" in any boot option.
[18:13] <bladernr_> davmor2: I know he does
[18:13] <cyphermox> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:13] <bladernr_> davmor2: he works harder than the two of us combined
[18:13] <bladernr_> ^^ that's not saying much
[18:13] <bladernr_> cyphermox: no such thing.
[18:13] <cyphermox> oops
[18:14] <cyphermox> ok, hold on :)
[18:14] <davmor2> bladernr_: I have to break his stuff to you know
[18:14] <bladernr_> come on now, we know you just use a bunch of shell scripts for that ;-)
[18:14] <davmor2> bladernr_: I wish
[18:15] <bladernr_> sudo ./do_daily_work.sh --time 8h --user davmor2 --no-interrupt-nap
[18:15] <davmor2> bladernr_: hahahahahahahaha love it
[18:17] <cyphermox> bladernr_: heh, I can't find it either right now, but I also didn't use usb-creator to make this usb key
[18:18] <bladernr_> cyphermox: no worries... to double check, I'll do it the hard way (reboot and examine them from the menu then)
[18:20] <cyphermox> looks like usb-creator would mangle any *.cfg in boot/grub
[18:21] <bladernr_> damn... I could have just looked at /proc/cmdline too.
[18:21] <bladernr_> :/
[18:23] <bladernr_> in any case, when I boot the EFI launcher, the grub menu does not include 'persist' in the kernel boot options. After booting the Legacy loader instead, /proc/cmdline DOES show persistent in the options. I'll try again that way :)
[18:23] <bladernr_> cyphermox: ^^
[18:23] <cyphermox> you mean in non-EFI?
[18:23] <cyphermox> that's expected
[18:24] <bladernr_> yeah, non-EFI
[18:24] <cyphermox> right
[18:24] <cyphermox> gfxboot-theme-ubuntu does add it, but only just before starting the kernel, that's why you don't see it in F6
[18:24] <bladernr_> yep, I thought as much. the boot menu on this server gives me both options so I'd been booting in EFI until now.
[18:25] <cyphermox> like I said, it's a matter of preparing the SRU for that fix from Yu Ning
[18:25] <cyphermox> in the meantime, you can add 'persistent' yourself unless it's lots more work
[18:25] <davmor2> bladernr_: so you in london I don't think you did answer me
[18:25] <cyphermox> ... or edit whatever file is in boot/grub/*.cfg to add it there, should be enough to convince things to work
[18:27] <bladernr_> cyphermox: ok... thanks!
[18:28] <bladernr_> davmor2: on the way back from a sprint in early May I'm doing an overnight layover in London. Staying out by LHR but gonna come into the city for a while to do ... stuff... not sure what yet. There will be Pie... and likely Filipino or Curry... not sure yet.
[18:30] <roadmr> curry pie
[18:31] <bladernr_> roadmr: there IS that...
[18:31] <roadmr> yum :)
[18:31] <bladernr_> Now if only we could have sprints in Montreal again... I miss the good Poutine.
[18:31] <bladernr_> and smoked meat.
[18:35] <pieter2627> How would new peeps get involved in solving bugs (specifically papercuts as described on the bugsquad wiki)?
[20:00] <brendand> bladernr_, you want *really* good asian food
[20:01] <brendand> bladernr_, the place - http://www.tayyabs.co.uk/
[20:01] <brendand> bladernr_, - you *will* need to queue :)!
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2015-04-08-#cloud-init
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[13:33] <smoser> cn28h, hm...
[13:33] <smoser> actually.
[13:33] <smoser> you might be able to use 'vendordata'
[13:33] <smoser> to accomplish what you want.
[13:34] <smoser> harlowja_away, directory structure ? in a file ?
[13:34] <smoser> it has to be multi-part file. tar would work, but it has to be some sort of archive as user-data is only single thing.
[13:38] <cn28h> smoser: is that an alternative datasource? Trying to find details in the docs
[13:39] <smoser> vendor-data is user-data for vendors
[13:39] <cn28h> hm
[13:39] <smoser> cloud-inti reads from those 2 places
[13:39] <cn28h> ah, I see what you are saying
[13:39] <smoser> the user wins
[13:39] <smoser> but your user (the ap thats using user-data) wont trump anything you're putting into vendor-data.
[13:39] <smoser> you can set vendor-data in openstack
[13:40] <smoser> as implemented in openstack, its static, but the class that does it allows it to be dynamic if you needed that.
[13:40] <smoser> i think you're in the position where you could do that, right ?
[13:40] <smoser> where you could set vendor data
[13:41] <cn28h> potentially -- the other wrinkle is that the service that's launching the VM instance doesn't allow us to have much control over the details of how they get launched (it's intended to be an abstraction layer with jclouds, but right now only supports openstack so mostly just gets in the way :x)
[13:44] <smoser> cn28h, right. you dont have to.
[13:44] <smoser> vendor-data goes to every instance.
[13:44] <cn28h> oh I see
[13:44] <cn28h> actually that could be pretty useful
[13:45] <cn28h> and vendor data is per tenant I'm hoping?
[13:45] <smoser> well, its global as implemented in openstack.
[13:45] <smoser> basically there is a config option
[13:45] <smoser> that says what class to load
[13:45] <smoser> and by default it loads the one that just reads a static json file on the nova compute host
[13:46] <cn28h> ah, hm
[13:46] <smoser> but you can replace that class with whatever you want and it returns a python dictionary that is then proviced.
[13:46] <smoser> it'd be pretty easy to add your own implementation there, and it has access to stuff it would need to make it per-tenant.
[13:47] <cn28h> yeah, that could be interesting, hm
[13:47] <smoser> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37964/14
[13:48] <smoser> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37964/14/nova/api/metadata/base.py
[13:48] <smoser> the class configured in the config file is provided the instance, address, extra_md, network_info.
[13:48] <smoser> i suspet from the instance you can get the user
[13:49] <smoser> tenant
[13:49] <cn28h> aha, cool
[16:18] <suro-patz> With some locally committed modification, I built the rpm using 'make rpm' - Now when I am trying to install the rpm onto RHEL6 system, it is complaining about pyserial, even though I manually installed pyserial-2.6, as the local python version is 2.6.6
[16:18] <suro-patz> Has anybody encountered something similar?
[17:22] <harlowja> suro-patz do u have any more information than that?
[17:22] <harlowja> like what is the error...
[17:22] <harlowja> suro-patz how did u manually install pyserial?
[17:23] <harlowja> smoser maybe a tar file; why couldn't the sturcuture just be userdata/data and child directories if that includes others...
[17:24] <harlowja> with some kind of sequencing of those children so we know the order
[17:24] <harlowja> suro-patz if u manually installed it via pip, well pip and rpm aren't aware of each other (they are different package managers)
[17:25] <smoser> harlowja, for sure we could support tar as the userdata/data format.
[17:25] <smoser> but we'd still want to have a mime-type like info in there.
[17:26] <harlowja> sure; so that could also existing in a data.metdata file or something
[17:26] <harlowja> if we wanted
[17:26] <smoser> right? ie, so your '#!/bin/sh' could be 'boot-hook' or 'user-script'
[17:26] <harlowja> agreed
[17:26] <smoser> we can definitely do that. also there is the other archive format
[17:26] <harlowja> just thinking that regular files with some defined layout could do the same
[17:26] <smoser> cloud-config-archive
[17:26] <smoser> which is something to that effect.
[17:26] <smoser> but tar is an option also.
[17:26] <harlowja> ya, something to think about
[17:27] <harlowja> tar would be nice
[17:27] <smoser> or , as we support and embrace our windows bretheren , zip
[17:27] <smoser> :)
[17:27] <harlowja> hmmm
[17:27] <harlowja> i try not to embrace windows to muhc
[17:27] <harlowja> bill gates and i don't embrace to well
[17:27] <smoser> on interesting thing about mime is that it *is* streaming
[17:27] <harlowja> haven't hugged in a while
[17:27] <alexpilotti> harlowja: I can hear you! :-)
[17:27] <harlowja> :)
[17:27] <smoser> each pice can be operated on and reacted to as its reaad
[17:27] <harlowja> true
[17:28] <smoser> tar is too, but not if you shove an index in it :)
[17:28] <harlowja> alexpilotti do u and billy g. hug alot?
[17:28] <harlowja> or i guess its the new CEO guy
[17:28] <harlowja> whats his name
[17:28] <alexpilotti> Satya
[17:29] <smoser> billy g gives more hugs though
[17:29] <smoser> still
[17:29] <alexpilotti> :-)
[17:29] <smoser> my favorite bill g clip: https://vimeo.com/70498601
[17:31] <harlowja> smoser nice
[17:31] <harlowja> lol
[17:31] <harlowja> billy g so mean, lol
[17:33] <harlowja> smoser alexpilotti claudiupopa u will be in vancouver?
[17:34] <claudiupopa> harlowja: no, I won't be there.
[17:35] <harlowja> durn
[17:36] <suro-patz> harlowja: Yes I had installed pyserial manually using pip. Finally I could go around using —nodeps option for rpm, as I could all the dependencies were present
[17:36] <harlowja> suro-patz ya, u can't mix pip packaging and rpm and expect them to be aware of each other
[17:36] <harlowja> they don't know of each other
[17:37] <harlowja> *since they are independent packaging systems
[17:37] <suro-patz> The error was a simple/generic one - "error: Failed dependencies:
[17:37] <suro-patz> pyserial is needed by cloud-init-0.7.7-bzr1083.el6.noarch"
[17:38] <harlowja> yup, thats because of all that i mentioned above
[18:38] <alexpilotti> harlowja: I will be in Vancouver
[18:45] <harlowja> cool
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-nz
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[20:03] <olly> morning
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.229968
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-meeting
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[13:49] <JHOSMAN> mhall119: Hello, I stated that I did not get the mail yesterday.
[13:57] <mhall119> JHOSMAN: ok, I'll check what happened. Monday was a holiday in the UK, that might be why
[14:02] <JHOSMAN> mhall119: When I receive mail? Yesterday was Tuesday. Already missing 10 days for the event and we must make the process of withdrawing money to send to manufacture the shirts and make all necessary purchases. You think you can help us with this?
[14:02] <mhall119> JHOSMAN: I'm checking for you
[14:03] <JHOSMAN> mhall119: Thanks!
[16:01] <mhall119> JHOSMAN: you should have an email now
[16:16] <JHOSMAN> mhall119: =) Thanks!
[16:20] <mhall119> no problem
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.231905
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-gnome
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[14:04] <jseliga> Anyone get XDMCP working?
[14:21] <spaes> i am running ubuntu gnome 14.04 with gnome-session-flashback, which i love, except that the bottom panel window list is un-readable. the text is light gray on white. does anyone know if there are any easy fixes for that?
[14:23] <spaes> i guess i could just ask if there are any supported themes other than high contrast and adwaita?
[17:51] <octoquad> evening all
[17:54] <spaes> ok to answer my previous question, the aesthetics of the bottom panel are handled by gtk and i found that the noobslab ppa has a nice collection of gtk themes: http://www.noobslab.com/2011/11/themes-collection-for-ubuntu-1110-unity.html
[18:03] <jseliga> Anyone get XDMCP working?
[18:23] <octoquad> What do we need to do to fix this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1386721
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-x
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[00:00] <furkan> but on 3.19.0-12 it doesn't work at all
[00:00] <furkan> so, still a difference
[14:31] <tjaalton> furkan: can't reproduce the checkerboarding bug or the corruption. the dpms issue is real, testing a commit now
[17:17] <furkan> tjaalton: this is interesting... i unplugged my secondary monitor, and everything works much, much better
[17:18] <tjaalton> is the other monitor a 4k one?
[17:19] <furkan> no checkerboarding, no "snow" in the virtual terminal, no delay when switching between virtual terminals (with 2 monitors, it takes a few seconds), and no graphics corruption when initially logging in (i didn't mention that in the bug report because i thought that was "normal", i'll take a vid for you if you want)
[17:19] <furkan> i have just my 27" 2560x1440 monitor connected now
[17:20] <tjaalton> and the other one?
[17:20] <furkan> i unplugged it.. i'll plug it in and try it in landscape mode first
[17:20] <furkan> before switching to portrait, which is how i originally had it
[17:20] <tjaalton> the resolution?
[17:20] <furkan> oh right
[17:20] * furkan tests
[17:24] <tjaalton> tried rotating the other one, still nothing
[17:24] <furkan> nope... killed my desktop
[17:24] <furkan> i took a pic
[17:24] <furkan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fd1tdi67og8iz91/IMG_20150408_132316.jpg?dl=0
[17:24] <furkan> that's what happened when i tried to change from 2560x1440 to 1920x1080
[17:25] <furkan> so you have a dual-monitor setup too?
[17:25] <furkan> what are your resolutions?
[17:25] <tjaalton> 25x14, 19x10
[17:25] <furkan> oh, so almost the same
[17:26] <tjaalton> hooked to the same monitor via dvi & hdmi
[17:26] <furkan> and you tried rotating the 19x10 monitor?
[17:26] <tjaalton> yes
[17:26] <furkan> wait, hooked to the same monitor? you mean 1 screen connected with 2 cables?
[17:26] <tjaalton> yup
[17:26] <tjaalton> i only have one
[17:26] <furkan> hmm
[17:27] <furkan> ok i will try connecting it again in landscape
[17:33] <furkan> ok so i have the monitor in landscape now
[17:33] <furkan> switching between vts is no longer instantaneous
[17:33] <furkan> but no checkerboarding/snow
[17:33] <furkan> after suspend/resume
[17:34] <furkan> changing resolution still trips it up, i need to switch into a VT and service lightdm restart
[17:36] <furkan> so i made the switch to portrait, right now i have checkerboarding, but no "snow"
[17:37] <furkan> even after 2 suspend/resume cycles (1 when i had the monitor in landscape, and 1 after i switched to portrait)
[17:38] <furkan> i bet it'll be back after i restart though
[17:38] <tjaalton> so which one is in portrait?
[17:43] <furkan> yeah so i restarted, at first no snow, then suspend/resume and the snow is back... so it seems to reproduce that bug i need to boot directly into that display configuration
[17:43] <furkan> i have 27" 2560x1440 in landscape mode
[17:43] <furkan> and 24" 1920x1200 in portrait mode, on the left-hand side
[17:43] <furkan> i suppose i could also try putting it on the right-hand side as a final test
[17:44] <furkan> interesting, this time my screen didn't become garbled after changing resolution
[17:45] <furkan> and VT switches are instantaneous
[17:49] <furkan> ok well after restarting, no difference
[17:50] <furkan> but at that moment, just after switching the screen from one side to the other, i was getting instantaneous VT switches, now i'm not
[17:50] <furkan> but snow/checkerboarding still there
[17:50] <tjaalton> have you tried 4.0?
[17:51] <furkan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4koy953b7faj095/VID_20150408_134129.mp4?dl=0
[17:51] <furkan> that's the corruption when initially logging in.. pretty minor so i hadn't thought much of it before, but it doesn't happen with a single monitor connected
[17:51] <furkan> and yeah i was using 4.0 for a while, and same issues
[17:52] <tjaalton> try #radeon then, and file a bug on bugs.freedesktop.org
[17:53] <furkan> but i didn't have the issue with Xorg 1.16, so what if it's an Xorg bug and not a kernel bug?
[17:53] <furkan> and when i downgrade to 3.16 i still have the issue
[17:53] <furkan> whereas before upgrading to 15.04, i didn't
[17:53] <furkan> so i think that rules out the kernel, no?
[17:53] <tjaalton> same devs
[17:53] <furkan> ah
[17:53] <tjaalton> pretty much
[17:54] <furkan> ok will do, then
[17:54] <furkan> thanks for the pointer
[17:56] <furkan> btw, another regression, unrelated to X: after rebooting or suspend/resume, i need to unplug my headphone and plug it back in for it to be recognized again
[17:57] <furkan> if i submit too many bug reports i feel like i'll become the "boy who cried wolf", but right about now i'm wishing that i stayed with 14.04 :P
[18:00] <tjaalton> well, can't reproduce that either, something wrong with jack detection I guess
[18:00] <tjaalton> file that against pulseaudio
[18:00] <tjaalton> for starters
[19:54] <furkan> tjaalton: i guess i understand the "snow" thing now
[19:55] <furkan> when on a VT, it sets the same resolution on both monitors
[19:55] <furkan> so since my smaller monitor is 1920x1200, it sets that resolution on both
[19:56] <furkan> and before suspending, it's scaled to full screen
[19:56] <furkan> after suspend/resume, you get the 1920x1200 terminal drawn on the top left corner of the screen, and the blank areas are white
[19:58] <furkan> in 4.0, the terminal isn't scaled to full screen but the blank areas are black (then after suspend/resume it turns white)
[20:02] <furkan> really not the worst out of the bugs i've seen so far, but something is really broken w/ dual monitor support on a radeon card
[20:19] <tjaalton> furkan: yep, saw the same, no corruption though, just white borders
[21:00] <furkan> tjaalton: i know this must be an upstream bug, but just to share the hilarity https://www.dropbox.com/s/caawhzn8zfycc00/VID_20150408_165520.mp4?dl=0
[21:01] <furkan> the time difference between switching, where the secondary monitor is on the left vs. the right
[21:01] <furkan> *switching to a VT
[21:03] <tjaalton> it is what it is.
[21:04] <furkan> well with the open-source drivers w/ kernel modesetting, it's supposed to be instantaneous
[21:04] <furkan> whereas with the proprietary drivers it's not
[21:04] <furkan> so while the bug itself is no big deal, i think it's indicative that something is going wrong
[22:37] <furkan> tjaalton: do you use vanilla Ubuntu, or one of the derivatives?
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-server
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[07:56] <Mouzz> Is there a way to specify a preferred dns server which is always used/tried first? I use one internal dns server (which resolves local names and redirects other requests to a public dns) and a public dns for when the nternal one is unreachable. The problem now is that Ubuntu seems to be switching to the second (public) dns I have entered in NM...
[11:35] <coreycb> Phibs, icehouse is in main for 14.04, so it's not in the cloud archive
[11:36] <coreycb> Phibs, icehoues is in the cloud archive for 12.04 though
[11:47] <arcsky> i did apt-get update && upgrade, i have still OpenSSL 1.0.1f which are vulnerable
[11:53] <rbasak> arcsky: distributions backport security patches. To verify if a particular vulnerability is fixed, you need to examine the package version number.
[11:56] <arcsky> rbasak: for example i have bash 4.3. and found this: http://www.cvedetails.com/cve-details.php?t=1&cve_id=+CVE-2014-7169
[11:56] <arcsky> do i have to dig deeper?
[11:57] <rbasak> arcsky: go to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/
[11:57] <rbasak> arcsky: enter the CVE
[11:57] <rbasak> arcsky: that will show you the status in Ubuntu. If fixes have been released, you will see the corresponding package version numbers. Then check that you have at least those package versions installed.
[11:57] <rbasak> arcsky: or, just make sure that you have the security repositories in your sources.list and that you keep up to date.
[11:58] <arcsky> rbasak: nice thanks for that url!
[11:59] <Patrickdk> you should have something like, 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.11 that is not vaunerable, not 1.0.1f
[12:02] <arcsky> 1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.11 i have te
[12:02] <arcsky> ye*
[12:02] <arcsky> The requested URL /~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/1.0.1f-1ubuntu2.11.html was not found on this server.
[13:12] <YamakasY> anyone running a newer version of php on 14.04 ?
[13:13] <YamakasY> standard is 5.5.9
[13:21] <BlackDex> YamakasY: Running php 5.6.7-1 currently using https://launchpad.net/~ondrej
[13:28] <YamakasY> BlackDex: works OK ?
[13:28] <BlackDex> YamakasY: Yea works nice, no problems with it.
[13:29] <BlackDex> I have it combined with nginx and fpm
[13:29] <YamakasY> BlackDex: mhh my ubuntu apt-get upgrade doesn't see them
[13:29] <BlackDex> have you added it with add-apt-repository ?
[13:30] <BlackDex> and then did a apt-get update?
[13:30] <YamakasY> yes
[13:30] <BlackDex> Strange. With my server it whas just as simple as that
[13:31] <YamakasY> might be a puppet issue
[13:31] <BlackDex> Ah!. LoL that could be. That puppet fixed versioned them
[13:41] <BlackDex> YamakasY: check it with something like this apt-cache policy php5
[13:50] <YamakasY> BlackDex: yap might be indeed
[13:51] <YamakasY> BlackDex: can I change that ?
[13:53] <BlackDex> YamakasY: The best way to change that is to change the puppet config
[13:54] <BlackDex> And even let puppet add the other repo so that it will be correctly configured when puppefied again
[14:02] <YamakasY> BlackDex: I know, but this is just a wrapup test
[14:05] <BlackDex> Ah! then just do this. `apt-get install php5=5.6.7+dfsg-1+deb.sury.org~trusty+1
[14:05] <BlackDex> That will overrule the pin
[14:07] <BlackDex> To check for which versions you can install do: `apt-cache madison php5`
[14:08] <YamakasY> heh, puppet makes my life too easy
[14:09] <YamakasY> doesn't override
[14:09] <YamakasY> it says it installs php5 but it doesn't
[14:28] <Blueking> got access gateway replaced. today. Got home today after work it seems ip address on linux box connected to access gateway wasn't updated, and needed to do service networking restart to force pc/ubuntu to update eth0 (interface connected to access gateway) not sure if it's hardware(mobo) or ubuntu that doesn't update itself auto ? what to check out whats not working properly ?
[14:30] <lordievader> Blueking: Does it do DHCP? Long lease time out?
[14:30] <Blueking> eth0 should get ip from access gateway (ISP' property), dhcpd runs on eth1
[14:31] <Blueking> lordievader
[14:33] <lordievader> Can still be a long lease time.
[14:33] <Blueking> long lease time given by access gateway or lordievader ?
[14:34] <lordievader> If that is the one who gives out the leases, yes. Could be a reason. I'm not saying that is the reason. Just a suggestion.
[14:34] <Blueking> what should I do about lease time when I am using linux box as router ?
[14:36] <Blueking> lordievader aren't there any sense function on ethernet interfaces ?
[14:37] <lordievader> Blueking: As long as they are connected they don't care.
[14:37] <lordievader> If that means you have a correct ip or not, they don't know.
[14:38] <Blueking> lordievader got new access gateway today, the new ip wasn't replaced before I logged on linux and 'service networking restart'
[14:39] <YamakasY> mhh I need to override this pinning
[14:40] <Blueking> lordievader linux box had been online for 16 months without any issues/problems, but last 2 weeks net hes dropped out 1-2 times a day
[14:42] <YamakasY> Blueking: that means you need to buy a new one :P
[14:42] <Blueking> buy new what ?
[14:43] <Blueking> YamakasY ?
[14:43] <YamakasY> server :)
[14:44] <Blueking> naw supermicro mobo with xeon cpu and ecc ram shouldn't die that fast not even 2 year old
[14:44] <Blueking> YamakasY
[14:45] <lordievader> Blueking: Investigate why the network connection is dropping out ;)
[14:47] <Blueking> I suspected it was old access gateway that was reason
[14:48] <Blueking> I'll check if there are any bios updates to mobo
[14:48] <lordievader> Randomly updating the bios isn't proper trouble shooting.
[14:49] <lordievader> Investigate why the network connection is going down. Check logs. Run tests. Try the reproduce the problem.
[15:15] <SuperMX> hello! is someone interested in hearing about a strange phenomen?
[15:16] <SuperMX> i have an ubuntu server 14.04 and when i turn it off the next day it won't boot (only dots on the screen, grub doesn't open up)
[15:17] <SuperMX> then in the morning when i use a live cd with fsck and then reboot the server it works again until i reboot it again.... this happens now everytime
[15:17] <hamdi_1984> @SuperMX is it a virtual machine ? what fs type ?
[15:19] <SuperMX> no its an old acer computer from my uncle... windows xp used to run on there. so there is the bootable fat32 partition and then the linux fs with ext
[15:20] <hamdi_1984> ext 2 3 or 4
[15:20] <SuperMX> i am quite sure its ext3
[15:21] <SuperMX> maybe i am doing something wrong with the shutdown
[15:21] <hamdi_1984> well why don't try to check and repair ur partitions ?
[15:21] <hamdi_1984> u can use gparted for that
[15:21] <SuperMX> i always used fsck, should i try with gpart?
[15:22] <hamdi_1984> yeah definitely I prefer gparted
[15:22] <SuperMX> i thought that fsck repairs the fs as well
[15:22] <SuperMX> ah ok, i will try that
[15:22] <SuperMX> thank you :))
[15:22] <hamdi_1984> gparted is easier and will show u useful info about what's wrong with ur partitions
[15:22] <hamdi_1984> then may be u need to reinstall grub
[15:23] <SuperMX> hmmm ok
[15:23] <SuperMX> so it will be definitly the fs
[15:24] <hamdi_1984> I think so
[15:24] <SuperMX> because when grub doesn't start it has nothing to do with ubuntu
[15:24] <hamdi_1984> true
[15:24] <hamdi_1984> do u have ur data backed up ?
[15:25] <SuperMX> a website is running on it, but this partition seems to be ok
[15:25] <SuperMX> but, yes i should back it up :)
[15:27] <SuperMX> thank you for your response and sorry if i wasn't technically exact
[15:27] <lordievader> Gparted probably calls fsck, so using fsck is fine.
[15:28] <lordievader> Perhaps it is a good idea to check smart data.
[15:51] <smb> hallyn, zul, anyone having a pending upload to vivid qemu in the works? if not I would soonish push a small one
[15:52] <zul> smb: i dont
[15:52] <hallyn> me neither
[15:53] <smb> ok. ta
[18:51] <lucidguy> Raid Question. Can you assemble a raid 60 with uneven amount of drives, for example 11?
[18:52] <bekks> No.
[18:53] <bekks> Erm on moment - uneven drive count, and RAID6?
[18:53] <bekks> Are you testing on how to horribly slow down a system? :)
[18:54] <lucidguy> I have a 12 disk system, need as much storage as possible with a good amount of stability.
[18:54] <bekks> Which drives?
[18:54] <lucidguy> 6tbSATA
[18:55] <bekks> Do you have a RAID controller?
[18:55] <ObrienDave> freeNAS ;P
[18:55] <sarnold> lucidguy: sounds like a problem tailor made for zfs, using one 11-disk raidz3 vdev
[18:55] <bekks> Yeah.
[18:55] <lucidguy> bekks, yes PERC H730P
[18:56] <lucidguy> Raid05 supports uneven amount of drives?
[18:56] <jrwren> I'd start with workload. e.g. running RDBMS or other? make sure IO needs are met, and if they are, then go full raid6... or... PERC... then use built in PERC raid5 :)
[18:56] <lucidguy> raid50
[18:56] <bekks> Uneven drive counts dont make sense for striping.
[18:57] <lucidguy> dont make sense? but you can raid 5 on three disks.
[18:57] <bekks> Yeah. So double that count.
[18:58] <lucidguy> Gotcha: So raid5 and raid6 can support uneven drive counts, but not 50 or 60
[18:58] <lucidguy> Makes sense
[18:59] <lucidguy> So I could go a full 12 disk raid 60, gives me 4 disk fault insurance, over raid6 2 disks.
[19:00] <bekks> USe two hotspares and a single RAID6.
[19:01] <lucidguy> Why does this site/app allow me to setup 11 disk raid60.. should error/note.. https://www.icc-usa.com/raid-calculator/
[19:01] <bekks> Ask that site? :)
[19:02] <bekks> Even if it is possible, it doesnt make any sense.
[19:02] <lucidguy> So its just silly, and misleading right?
[19:02] <bekks> Correct.
[19:03] <bekks> RAID calculators calculate things, they do not tell you "that looks good" or "thats quite stupid".
[19:03] <sarnold> zfs would let you do that with two vdevs, 5disk raidz2 and 6 disk raidz2, but the tools would ask you for comfirmation before creating it, since it would be unbalanced; writes would prefer the six-disk raidz2 vdev first, since it has more free space
[19:04] <sarnold> but if you could get twelve disks and do two raidz2 vdevs of six disks each you'd see more even writes and thus better available iops..
[19:04] <lucidguy> sarnold, I have a decent raid controller, no zfs required.
[19:04] <bekks> ZFS is not a replacement for a RAID controller.
[19:05] <lucidguy> I know, but ideal for when you don't have one.
[19:05] <rberg> are you talking about formatting a hardware raid array with zfs?
[19:05] <sarnold> lucidguy: most raid controllers won't do compression or checksumming..
[19:05] <bekks> Or deduplication.
[19:06] <lucidguy> zfs is great when you have a whole lot of disks.
[19:06] <lucidguy> no?
[19:06] <bekks> Which you have.
[19:06] <lucidguy> 12 is not alot
[19:06] <bekks> Depends on the point of view.
[19:07] <rberg> zfs does like to control the entire stack.. so HW raid isnt a great choice unless its the only choice :)
[19:08] <lucidguy> This is a 12 disk NFS server.. raid controller over not with zfs makes more sense
[19:09] <rberg> some people with hardware raid cards (without jbod support) set each disk as a 1 disk raid 0 and then make the zraid with those
[19:09] <sarnold> yeah if you were to go zfs you'd want to stick your raid controller in hba mode..
[19:10] <lucidguy> Then why bother with a raid controller?
[19:10] <rberg> exactly
[19:10] <sarnold> yes :)
[19:11] <lucidguy> With my setup/needs you should get better results with a raid controller over zfs
[19:11] <bekks> Because you believe in that or because you actually tested it?
[19:13] <lucidguy> I believe in that. ZFS has an overhead on the CPU. zfs performs well with fast flash/ssd memory for log/cache.
[19:15] <bekks> Belief is a good sign for religion, but absoluty useless when it comes to technology.
[19:15] <lucidguy> IS my statement not a fact?
[19:16] <bekks> You stated technical facts that do not imply that your RAID controller is faster, actually.
[19:16] <sarnold> you may see better performance on some benchmarks using xfs on hardware raid than using zfs on an HBA.. but you'd lose the compression, checksumming, snapshots, etc. it's all tradeoffs.
[19:17] <lucidguy> sarnold, I agree with that. We will be using XFS also.
[19:17] <rberg> with a hardware raid card I would do hardware raid.. with a hba I would probably do md raid.. I had issues with the zfs module building reliably in the past
[19:18] <lucidguy> I have an x4500 thumper running ubuntu with ZFS.
[19:18] <sarnold> lucidguy: ooooooo
[19:18] <sarnold> those are impressive machines even today, hehe :)
[19:19] <lucidguy> It was quite the ZFS learning experience for me.
[19:20] <lucidguy> My 8 year old 60 disk jbod server lost all of its storage a few days ago due to a simultaneous dual disk failure. Hence my interest in going raid6 or 60. Im interested in 60 due to the increased speed and better performance.
[19:22] <bekks> So you lost more than two disks on one side of the RAID60?
[19:22] <lucidguy> not this was a raid50 system
[19:22] <patdk-wk> maybe you should ask mdadm?
[19:24] <rberg> in the case you are still ok because the other raid 5 still has all the data right?
[19:25] <rberg> I dont have much exp with nested raid levels
[19:25] <lucidguy> rberg, nope because one of the single spans lost two disks.
[19:26] <rberg> ohh no.. I think I played out a 05 setup in my head..
[19:27] <bekks> lucidguy: So you used 50 setup consisting of two 30-disk parts?
[19:28] <lucidguy> one raid 50 was 28 disks by 4 spans of 7
[19:28] <jrwren> all DAS or was it iscsi/fc?
[19:29] <lucidguy> direct
[19:31] <lucidguy> I think ive decided. 11 disks total, 10 for raid60 and the 11th a hot spare
[19:33] <patdk-wk> why the switch from zfs to raid though?
[19:33] <lucidguy> There is no switch, just getting a box with raid.
[19:34] <patdk-wk> what kind of usage will it be having on it?
[19:35] <lucidguy> one large xfs volume exported via NFS. About 30+ hpc workstations will be using it for storing large images etc. The build is restricted to a budget of around $15k
[19:36] <patdk-wk> large images?
[19:36] <patdk-wk> seq accesses? random accesses?
[19:36] <patdk-wk> mainly reads? or writes?
[19:36] <lucidguy> a mix
[19:37] <lucidguy> mainly sequential
[19:37] <lucidguy> large images as in MRI scans of brains etc.
[19:38] <patdk-wk> so really reads
[19:38] <patdk-wk> as writes would be limited to the speed and quanity of scanning machines
[19:38] <patdk-wk> you could probably go much larger than 11 disks per set
[19:39] <patdk-wk> as long as you feel you have enough parity disks to handle failures
[19:39] <patdk-wk> but you had two disk failures
[19:39] <patdk-wk> if raid6 has two disk failures, you will no longer know if your data is accurate anymore, or got corrupted
[19:44] <jrwren> i'm lazy. I'd do 11 drives, one raid6, 1 hot spare. :p
[19:45] <patdk-wk> make sure you do daily scrubs
[19:46] <patdk-wk> and setup email alerts
[20:03] <katco> any app armor experts around?
[20:04] <patdk-wk> depends
[20:04] <patdk-wk> !ask
[20:04] <patdk-wk> bot be broken
[20:04] <katco> hehe
[20:04] <katco> i have a log with what appears to be an issue with app armor+lxc, but i'm afraid i don't know what i'm looking at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1441319
[20:05] <katco> log: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1441319/+attachment/4369706/+files/container.log.gz
[20:05] <katco> " lxc-start 1426805367.662 ERROR lxc_apparmor - lsm/apparmor.c:apparmor_process_label_set:183 - No such file or directory - failed to change apparmor profile to lxc-container-default"
[20:05] <katco> it's not the first error, but it's the one that sticks out to me
[20:36] <sarnold> katco: if you think apparmor is involved, please also attach a gren DEN /var/log/syslog or /var/log/audit/audit.log (If you're using auditd)
[20:37] <katco> sarnold: this is a ci server, i'll have to see if i can get those. i was hoping for an opinion to point me in the right direction before spiking too far in one direction.
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[00:08] <cwayne_> rvr, thanks for catching
[00:08] <rvr> cwayne_: You're welcome
[00:20] <cwayne_> rvr, so would it just be Fotos de Telegram then?
[00:20] <rvr> cwayne_: Right
[00:52] <cwayne_> rvr, fix pushed, building image now
[00:52] <rvr> cwayne_: Ack
[01:18] <cwayne_> rvr, image ready for you tomorrow morning :) ill flash now and give it a looksie
[01:19] <rvr> cwayne_: Oki doki! :)
[01:26] <cwayne_> rvr, looks good, please shoot me an email when it's ready (I'll start early tomorrow so I can push as soon as we're ready)
[01:26] <rvr> cwayne_: I just flashed it
[01:28] <rvr> Mis fotos de Facebook, that's +1
[01:28] <rvr> Now login in Telegram
[01:29] <rvr> Fotos de Telegram
[01:30] <rvr> Mensajes recientes
[01:30] <rvr> cwayne_: It's ok
[01:30] <cwayne_> :D
[01:30] <cwayne_> so what happens now, can I push, or do I need to wait for sil?
[01:31] <rvr> I don't know! :)
[01:32] <cwayne_> I guess I can't push without a +1 from someone on landing team..
[01:32] <rvr> To which channel is the image being pushed?
[01:33] <cwayne_> 14.09-proposed
[01:33] <rvr> robru: You there?
[01:33] <robru> rvr: hi
[01:33] <rvr> robru: ^
[01:34] <robru> rvr: what? Are you talking about a silo?
[01:34] <rvr> robru: cwayne_ wants landing team approval before pushing the proposed-customized image to 14.09-proposed
[01:35] <robru> rvr: cwayne_: well I'm not aware of any reason why not...
[01:37] <cwayne_> good enough for me
[01:37] <rvr> robru: cwayne_ will blame you if he breaks Internet ;)
[01:37] <cwayne_> rvr, just to double check, you checked the functioanlity and stuff earlier right? i.e. you weren't *just* testing i18n
[01:37] <robru> rvr: cwayne_ I'm a bit confused, are you talking about printing an image?
[01:38] <cwayne_> robru, 'promoting' the custom tarball, so it gets pulled into 14.09-proposed
[01:38] <rvr> cwayne_: Some minutes ago, I logged into Telegram, and checked that the photos and messages are displayed both in Today's scope and in Photos scope
[01:38] <cwayne_> from 14.09-proposed-customized
[01:39] <rvr> cwayne_: Earlier today, in previous images: «Exploratory testing with Today, NearBy, Photos, Telegram and Fitbit scopes. Logged in Facebook Photos, Telegram, FitBit, Instragram and Flickr. All of these are ok.Exploratory testing with Today, NearBy, Photos, Telegram and Fitbit scopes. Logged in Facebook Photos, Telegram, FitBit, Instragram and Flickr. All of these are ok».
[01:39] <robru> cwayne_: yeah I'm not really up to speed with those kinds of decisions... Maybe check with pmcgowan if you really need some kind of approval.
[01:40] <cwayne_> rvr, ah great, and the only things that've changed since then is translations, great
[01:40] <rvr> cwayne_: You can leave an email to sil2100 and jibel for tomorrow if you prefer
[01:40] <rvr> cwayne_: I guess sil2100 can promote from one channel to another, right?
[01:40] <rvr> And that's a quick process, isn't it?
[01:42] <cwayne_> yeah it's very quick, I'll just shoot an email to sil and do it tomorrow morning, should've gotten a +1 from sil earlier, but oh well
[01:46] <rvr> Time to sleep, see you tomorrow!
[02:10] <imgbot> [03:40] <imgbot> [03:40] <imgbot> [04:11] <robru> veebers: ah, no vivid silos available at the moment. I sent an email asking people to clean up some silos that seemingly aren't being used, hopefully one will free soon
[04:12] <veebers> robru: ack, thanks :-) I'll make sure the rest of the team is aware so that when possible we start testing (once we get a silo)
[04:19] <veebers> robru: hmm, when I tried to close the spreadsheet page it complained that some data might not get saved, also while filling out the row it also complained a couple of times about fatal errors
[04:19] <veebers> do I need to double check anything?
[04:19] * veebers eyeballs the row
[04:19] <veebers> seems good to me
[04:19] <robru> veebers: yeah i just got that as well, it seems the spreadsheet is imploding again. Not much we can do
[04:21] <veebers> ack, thanks robru. As long as it wasn't my fault :-)
[04:21] <robru> veebers: nope, this is well known pain and misery
[04:21] <robru> veebers: you're welcome
[07:17] <dbarth_> good morning trainguards; i have an oxide 1.5.6 release update on line 64
[07:18] <seb128> hey there, is there any plan to free vivid silos?
[07:39] <Mirv> dbarth_: seb128: we're still out of silos and 5 lines waiting for silo
[07:40] <seb128> Mirv, right, hence my question
[07:42] <seb128> Mirv, we have several dirty silos and experimental ones (like the new qt)
[07:42] <seb128> maybe some can be reclaimed to make space for pending landings?
[07:44] <Mirv> 3 of the waiting ones are ubuntu-system-settings while there's already 006 with u-s-s too. I wonder if any of those could be combined.
[07:44] <seb128> Mirv, oh, in fact 11 seems available, maybe it can be assigned :-)
[07:44] <Mirv> seb128: not without pinging, and with yesterday's poll none could be relieved.
[07:44] <Mirv> seb128: yes, I'm trying to assign that to the next one in queue
[07:44] <Mirv> spreadsheet is acting up
[07:45] <seb128> Mirv, well, settings is only in 1 by itself, the other 2 silos it's in that's part of a transition/bigger changes
[07:45] <seb128> in fact it's only in 2
[07:45] <Mirv> seb128: yes, but there are also 2/3 (2 set to ready) pending landings of u-s-s
[07:46] <Mirv> I just mean that there's a bottleneck in landing those fixes as they go in one after another
[07:46] <Mirv> not in terms of silo usage but simply that it takes maybe too much time to get all of those in
[07:46] <sil2100> hmm
[07:47] <sil2100> I wonder is silo 004 is still needed
[07:47] <seb128> Mirv, oh right, but landing are limited nowadays right? like we need an approval for fixes and QA verification, can't just batch a stack of bugfixes and get that in easily...
[07:48] <Mirv> sil2100: I think that could be a good candidate for freeing even without asking, since it's cheap to rebuild
[07:48] <Mirv> seb128: yes sure if not all of those are on the vivid milestone bug list they'd need separate approvals.
[07:48] <seb128> Mirv, need to check with jgdx and kenvandine
[07:49] <sil2100> We might need to poke some release team members about the UNAPPROVED silos I guess
[07:49] <Mirv> sil2100: we could also have 10 sru silos... :)
[07:50] <seb128> Mirv, then you would ping the SRU team ;-)
[07:50] <seb128> speaking of which, I've a trusty SRU, I'm pondering doing out of the CI due to that
[07:50] <Mirv> I mean, SRU silos could have a separate quota since they tend to keep on the silos for a longish time (approval + minimum 7 days in -proposed)
[07:53] <Mirv> pinged #ubuntu-release on the unapproved ones. compiz and unit have been there for 3+ weeks
[07:56] <seb128> right
[07:59] <Mirv> sil2100: fatal errors dance in the spreadsheet again, but some changes possible
[07:59] <Mirv> bfiller: cleaning 004 for now, ubuntu-keyboard build copied to ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper
[08:07] <sil2100> Mirv: oh no...
[08:07] <sil2100> Mirv: that's too soon!
[08:09] <Mirv> dbarth_: ^ copied and silo status refreshed
[08:09] <sil2100> I give up, I have no idea what now caused the spreadsheet to go wild again
[08:09] <sil2100> There's not so many users even
[08:11] <dbarth_> Mirv: yup; seen that; thank you!
[08:13] <sil2100> Yeah, officially since 3 in the night the spreadsheet is not refreshing again
[08:19] <sil2100> This is bullshit, we only had a week of peace from those issues
[08:20] * sil2100 is disabling stuff again
[08:51] <Mirv> thanks to infi_nity for reviewing the unapproved queue for us
[08:51] <Mirv> immediately it'll help with getting only 1 silo since those trusty SRU:s will be in the SRU queue for at least 7 days
[09:12] <sil2100> jibel, ogra_, Mirv, davmor2: how about I kick a new image now?
[09:12] <ogra_> go for it
[09:12] <jibel> sil2100, +1
[09:13] <sil2100> Actually not sure if we had anything landing inbetween, would have to check, but I think I remember some changes happening
[09:13] <sil2100> And this way maybe I'll force the importer to use the new custom
[09:14] <jibel> sil2100, new unity8 to fix a GPS issue
[09:15] <jibel> with the new custom tarball, I think that's all
[09:16] <Mirv> no problem
[09:20] <imgbot> [09:25] <popey> sil2100: you have mail :)
[09:27] * davmor2 deletes said mail
[09:30] <sil2100> popey: thanks! Will add it in a few moments
[09:40] <sil2100> Mirv: either google stopped reporting errors to me or the time-driven scripts stopped erroring-out
[09:41] <sil2100> Which might be a good sign
[09:42] <Mirv> hmm
[10:07] <cwayne_> sil2100, hiya
[10:07] <sil2100> cwayne_: hey! :)
[10:07] <sil2100> cwayne_: I see it picked up the tarball now
[10:08] <sil2100> cwayne_: took much longer than I expected, especially that the importer is running every 5 minutes
[10:08] <cwayne_> sil2100, \o/ its supposed to be all automagic so that;s good
[10:08] <sil2100> But yeah, it happened automagically
[10:08] <cwayne_> sil2100, weird, it's often done in a matter of minutes
[10:08] <sil2100> Thanks again :)
[10:08] <cwayne_> unless it;s doing something else which is taking its time
[10:09] <cwayne_> sil2100, np, sorry for all the troubles
[10:11] <cwayne_> sil2100, let me know if there's any other issues and I'll get em fixed
[10:11] <cwayne_> in the meantime, 6am calls for coffee
[10:14] <sil2100> cwayne_: go back to sleep! :)
[10:15] <sil2100> hmmm
[10:16] <sil2100> ogra_: image build 265 seems to have finished on the cdimage side
[10:16] <ogra_> thats good :)
[10:17] <ogra_> ogra@nusakan:~$ ps ax|grep import
[10:17] <ogra_> 13887 ? Ss 0:00 /bin/sh -c TMPDIR=/srv/system-image.ubuntu.com/tmp /srv/system-image.ubuntu.com/bin/import-images
[10:17] <ogra_> 13894 ? R 1:33 /usr/bin/python /srv/system-image.ubuntu.com/bin/import-images
[10:17] <ogra_> 24979 pts/5 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto import
[10:17] <ogra_> import-images only runs since 1:33 :)
[10:17] <ogra_> patience ;)
[10:18] <sil2100> I was worried something got b0rken ;p
[10:18] <sil2100> Thanks for checking
[10:24] <oSoMoN> ubuntu-qa: any chance silo 27 will be signed off today?
[10:25] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2, rvr: ^ ?
[10:25] <rvr> oSoMoN: I'll take it right now
[10:26] <davmor2> rvr: nice one
[10:26] <sil2100> ogra_: seems the importer is slowich today
[10:27] <ogra_> not really
[10:27] <ogra_> it usually takes 30min +
[10:28] <oSoMoN> rvr, awesome, thanks!
[10:50] <imgbot> [10:50] <imgbot> [10:50] <ogra_> there you go :)
[10:54] <sil2100> Phew
[10:55] <sil2100> Somehow today I'm really impatient
[11:06] <sil2100> Ok, I drive out for lunch now
[11:06] <sil2100> o/
[11:07] <brendand> sil2100, veebers made a request to get a vivid silo for autopilot yesterday, apparently there were none free. do you know anything?
[11:38] <Mirv> brendand: no such request is visible on the spreadsheet at least. we're constantly out of silos despite constant attempts to free them... currently 1 free
[12:05] <brendand> Mirv, oh - hope it didn't get lost
[12:13] <Mirv> brendand: there's nothing regarding autopilot on the spreadsheet unfortunately, but we also haven't heard reports yet of anything being magically removed on the new(est) spreadsheet.
[12:14] <Mirv> oh well
[12:14] <Mirv> oh well
[12:14] <Mirv> until now
[12:14] <Mirv> sil2100: backups..?
[12:14] <ogra_> hiccups rather
[12:14] <Mirv> brendand: my check up was anyway _before_ it now started resetting itself :D
[12:15] <Mirv> ogra_: also resetted to yesterday
[12:16] <Mirv> although it errors out constantly and reloads so it's hard to say. but from sil2100's backups it will be possible to restore the lines once the spreadsheet is even somewhat functional.
[12:16] <ogra_> yesterdays hiccups then :)
[12:16] <ogra_> we are trapped in a time loop !!!
[12:32] <jibel> sil2100, Mirv I approved line 53 3 times but the spreadsheet doesn't want it. Can you publish? silo 005/address-book-app
[12:32] <pmcgowan> jibel, sil2100 everything good? will be offlie for a bot
[12:32] <pmcgowan> bit
[12:36] <jibel> pmcgowan, we are waiting on a device tarball to trigger a new build which will be our promotion candidate. It won't include the touch panel fix.
[12:36] <pmcgowan> jibel, thats too bad
[12:37] <pmcgowan> ok
[12:38] <john-mcaleely> jibel, sil2100 I've pushed the brightness tarball you +1'd
[12:38] <jibel> pmcgowan, we'll start testing if the touch panel fix can land before tomorrow we can always respin an image with the fix
[12:38] <jibel> john-mcaleely, thanks
[12:38] <john-mcaleely> device_krillin-20150331-b430246.tar.xz
[12:38] <Mirv> jibel: sure
[12:38] <pmcgowan> john-mcaleely, any eta on the panel fix?
[12:38] <john-mcaleely> pmcgowan, working on it now. not clear if it's an hour or a day
[12:39] <pmcgowan> ok
[12:40] <ogra_> pmcgowan, for how long will you be offline ?
[12:41] <ogra_> pmcgowan, ycheng did set up a meeting about the OTA stuff we discussed yesterday ... in 20min ... i was about to ask if you could participate
[12:41] <pmcgowan> ogra_, well I am double booked then but I can try
[12:41] <pmcgowan> ogra_, changing my offline plan then
[12:54] <sil2100> \o/
[12:55] <sil2100> Mirv: yeah, it seems it started being broken again
[12:55] <sil2100> It seemingly worked from 12:30 till 14:15, now I again get error logs from google on every timed event
[13:00] <jibel> sil2100, can you trigger a new build with the device john-mcaleely pushed so we can start testing?
[13:00] <jibel> device tarball*
[13:03] <jibel> sil2100, nm, it's 266
[13:03] <sil2100> jibel: it should automatically create the new image, but it might take the importer a few moments to pick it up
[13:03] <sil2100> I thought it's instant, but sometimes it can take a few minutes
[13:04] <jibel> sil2100, actually it was pretty fast and thought it didn't build yet
[13:04] <jibel> sil2100, so 266 is the candidate for now
[13:04] <sil2100> Strange, since I have waited for the custom tarball to appear for like 15 minutes
[13:04] <sil2100> Yeah
[13:05] <sil2100> I heard the news about the device tarball, indeed no need to wait for it to start testing
[13:05] <sil2100> Too much time would be wasted
[13:07] <sil2100> Mirv: sometimes I feel as if all these spreadsheet problems don't have anything to do with our actual trigger-scripts, but actually related to the number of people viewing the spreadsheet
[13:07] <sil2100> Mirv: when the spreadsheet got better today, I saw there were only 5 people using it - now it was around 9
[13:08] <sil2100> Mirv: I suppose google spreadsheet syncs combined with the triggers and formulas leads to the backend breaking
[13:10] <Mirv> something like that..
[13:14] <jibel> trainguards you can publish ubuntu/silo-001 approved yesterday
[13:15] <davmor2> rsalveti, Mirv, sil2100: silo9 pulse corking good to go incase there is an issue with SS still
[13:16] <sil2100> jibel: ah, ok, let me publish then
[13:16] <sil2100> davmor2: same here :)
[13:19] <sil2100> ogra_: can you +1 a packaging change for me? There's no mention of the recommends-addition in the changelog, but I suppose it's less serious than not mentioning dep-changes: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-001-2-publish/98/artifact/indicator-power_packaging_changes.diff
[13:20] <ogra_> sil2100, ACK, looks fine
[13:21] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[13:21] <sil2100> jibel, davmor2: both silos are publishing
[13:22] <ogra_> why does a silo from a core dev need manual acking ?
[13:22] <ogra_> (referring to the last queuebot msg)
[13:23] <davmor2> ogra_: because a woodchuck could chuck wood?
[13:23] <ogra_> would a woodchuck chuck wood if it could ?
[13:24] <davmor2> ogra_: wait no, take their hats off, no that is popes in a beetle, the answer will come to me at some point
[13:25] <sil2100> ogra_: it's complicated
[13:26] <ogra_> davmor2, haha
[13:26] <sil2100> ogra_: we would have to either: 1) base that on who's set as the lander or 2) auto-analyse the changelog to make sure that the only change visible is made by a core-dev
[13:26] <ogra_> well, 2 would be nice in general :)
[13:27] <sil2100> In case of 1), this is a potential security leak as we would have to doublecheck that someone didn't simply include someone's else name in the field - with 2), well, it's work to implement that and I'm not sure it's a big deal without it ;)
[13:27] <davmor2> I love it all this work just fell into the abyss
[13:27] <sil2100> Since when I see a change made only by a core-dev I anyway override it and auto-approve
[13:28] <ogra_> sil2100, well, i'D already be happy if my changelogs wouldnt be reduced to the very last entry if i built my source package with -v ....
[13:28] <ogra_> i think our changelog handlin could need some love as a whole
[13:29] <ogra_> (but yeah, low prio task ... definitely)
[13:36] <seb128> hum
[13:36] <seb128> http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/ has a weird status for 024
[13:36] <seb128> it's a u-c-c desktop landing and status has "ready to build" but also "Migration: indicator-datetime is in the UNAPPROVED queue. "
[13:37] <seb128> the migration part is weird
[13:38] <seb128> gra, the "build" url is pointing to a wrong jenkins as well
[13:39] <seb128> or not
[13:39] <seb128> how confusing
[13:40] * ogra_ doesnt see the queuebot pick up his rebuild of silo 19 :/
[13:41] <rvr> sil2100: About to approve silo 27
[13:42] <rvr> sil2100: "Note: requires a FFe, granted at bugs/1441232"
[13:43] <rvr> Looks good
[13:43] <rvr> Will the spreadsheet work?
[13:44] <rvr> The action you're trying to perform is causing a fatal error and cannot be performed.
[13:47] <seb128> grrrr
[13:48] <seb128> the CI table keeps hitting backend error and loosing edits
[13:48] <oSoMoN> trainguards: can silo 27 be published, please?
[13:56] <Mirv> oSoMoN: sure, trello is enough even if spreadsheet keeps resetting
[13:57] <Mirv> ogra_: core dev ack for https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-027-2-publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/webbrowser-app_packaging_changes.diff ? are in main.
[13:58] <ogra_> oSoMoN, Mirv, NACK, please mention the added dependencies in the changelog
[13:59] <Mirv> ogra_: thank you for reviewing. it does make sense to enforce more directly describing the packaging changes.
[14:00] <Mirv> folder list model is not mentioned at all, settings is mentioned but not that it adds a dep
[14:00] <oSoMoN> ogra_, I agree that it would be useful, but it should be automatically done by the CI train, now it’s going to take a rebuild just to add a line in the changelog…
[14:00] <ogra_> right, i warned that i would do this about 6 months ago ... and poked people about it for the last 6 months but still acked ... i think after 6 months it is now the time to expect it to be proper
[14:01] <Mirv> that would be a good feature request for train, filing
[14:04] <Mirv> bug #1441638 . cihelp, do you have some project to file future CI Train replacement feature requests under?
[14:08] <oSoMoN> Mirv, I updated the commit messages on the relevant MRs, I’ll trigger a rebuild of silo 27
[14:09] <Mirv> ok
[14:13] <pmcgowan> sil2100, 266 is building?
[14:16] <ogra_> pmcgowan, i think it is done
[14:16] <davmor2> pmcgowan: 266 is done
[14:16] <ogra_> was only a tarball update
[14:17] <pmcgowan> ah great
[14:17] <ogra_> (they are fast and not noticed by the bot)
[14:17] <sil2100> pmcgowan: yeah, QA is already testing it
[14:17] <pmcgowan> woot
[14:17] <ogra_> sil2100, any idea why the queuebot didnt pick up my watch-only rebuild of silo 19 ?
[14:22] <sil2100> ogra_: he might be a bit confused because of the spreadsheet reverting its state, but normally it shouldn't have any problems
[14:23] <jdstrand> cwayne_: fyi, apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu 1.3.10 on vivid uploaded (not sure if you are doing custom tarballs yet for vivid)
[14:25] <elopio> ping trainguards, any vivid silos available today to release autopilot?
[14:25] <sil2100> elopio: hey
[14:25] <sil2100> We currently have 2 free vivid silos
[14:26] <sil2100> We're not sure about the number of landing requests as the spreadsheet reverted itself to the state of last night
[14:26] <elopio> sil2100: can we get one of those to autopilot before somebody else take it?
[14:26] <sil2100> elopio: try filling in a request and I'll try assigning it to you
[14:27] <elopio> sil2100: ok.
[14:28] <seb128> sil2100, I've some pending, if you can try that as well :-)
[14:28] <sil2100> seb128: I see them now ;) Probably got reverted as well, right?
[14:29] <seb128> sil2100, yeah, some of them
[14:29] <sil2100> Sorry for the spreadsheet troubles again guys
[14:29] <seb128> not your fault
[14:32] <om26er> jibel, during silo 14 testing I found a regression. During flight mode, Not network or SIM lock, the app title becomes blank in the right edge switcher.
[14:32] <om26er> http://i.imgur.com/VGm6t5v.png
[14:32] <om26er> jibel, salem_ says they are aware of it and its something they can't fix right now
[14:33] <seb128> bfiller, you put a landing up for settings with the storage panel fix for arale, did you see that there was another landing request from jgdx in the list including that and some other fixes? would have been nice to picked the other fixes as well rather than superseeding with a more limited set
[14:33] <om26er> jibel, I have blocked the landing, what do you say ?
[14:35] <jibel> om26er, it is a regression introduced by the silo?
[14:35] <om26er> jibel, yes it is.
[14:36] <salem_> jibel, hi, so, the original problem is that apps can be sigpaused at any time, and in this specific case, dialer will be frozen with a certain header title that might not reflect the current state anymore when you invoke the carousel with a right-> left swipe
[14:36] <jibel> om26er, ok, so we land bug fixes, not new bugs when we find them. It's correct to reject
[14:36] <salem_> bfiller, ^
[14:39] <kgunn> Mirv: sil2100 ...hey, we can manage giving back silo 0
[14:40] <elopio> sil2100: added the autopilot row.
[14:40] <elopio> that was hard.
[14:41] <sil2100> elopio: yeah... let me refresh as I didn't see your row
[14:42] <elopio> yes, my nick disappeared. Filled now.
[14:42] <elopio> It seems I was fighting seb128 and dbarth_ on the spreadsheet.
[14:43] <sil2100> Yeah, the spreadsheet doesn't sync
[14:43] <elopio> cool :)
[14:46] <elopio> sil2100: after hitting build, I don't have to fill anything on jenkins, right? Last time I did this was long ago.
[14:47] <bfiller> seb128: no I didn't see that
[14:47] <bfiller> seb128: feel free to change, just trying to get this fix landed as it was on the arale list
[14:47] <seb128> bfiller, k, just a note for next time to maybe check pending requests then :-)
[14:48] <seb128> bfiller, well, now it's in a silo so I guess we can as well get the landing through
[14:48] <bfiller> om26er, jibel : I wouldn't say it's a regression
[14:48] <seb128> bfiller, but if somebody wants to include the other ones feel free
[14:48] <sil2100> elopio: nothing :)
[14:48] <bfiller> om26er, jibel : it's an expected change as there is no other way to solve the bug
[14:48] <sil2100> elopio: only if some special care is needed
[14:48] <bfiller> seb128: will do
[14:48] <elopio> ok, thanks.
[14:49] <seb128> bfiller, thanks
[14:51] <elopio> I don't really understand that.
[14:51] <om26er> bfiller, jibel it clearly looks like a regression, user drags from right edge and poof no title. I remember we still have issues on the design side as they are trying to show app icon in the right edge switcher. So now with no title in this case is a regression
[14:52] <sil2100> popey, ogra_, robru, davmor2, rvr: let's skip the evening meeting
[14:52] <ogra_> sil2100, +1
[14:52] <sil2100> elopio: this means that your trunk branch, so the branch to which you want to merge to, doesn't seem to have all the released versions merged
[14:52] * ogra_ had/has enough meetings today, one less will be good :)
[14:52] <bfiller> om26er, jibel: a regression is something unintended. this was known and deemed an acceptable tradeoff to fix the bug at hand
[14:52] <sil2100> elopio: so probably someone released autopilot to the archive directly and didn't merge that back to trunk
[14:53] <sil2100> Or at least didn't merge the changelog
[14:53] <bfiller> om26er, jibel : I agree it's not ideal, but better than showing the wrong state when the app is brought to the foreground which is the case today
[14:53] <davmor2> the cancelmonger strikes again +1 though :)
[14:53] <om26er> its a regression until approved by design IMO.
[14:53] <sil2100> davmor2: ;)
[14:54] <rvr> sil2100: Ack
[14:54] <sil2100> robru: just so you know - spreadsheet b0rken againz
[14:54] <cwayne_> jdstrand, ack, thank you, will kick a vivid build
[14:56] <elopio> sil2100: I'm looking at the 1.5 branch, that's what we release. It seems I filled the wrong branches. Trying again now.
[14:56] <popey> sil2100: ok
[14:57] <dbarth_> o/ trainguards; hi, can i get a silo for line 68 please?
[14:57] <sil2100> dbarth_: hey! Let me refresh and try assigning
[14:59] <elopio> sil2100: I updated the MPs, now rebuild?
[15:01] <jdstrand> cwayne_: thanks!
[15:03] <sil2100> elopio: you only modified the code in the MPs, right? Or did you change the MPs in the spreadsheet row?
[15:03] <elopio> sil2100: changed the MPs in the spreadsheet.
[15:03] <sil2100> elopio: this needs a reconfigure
[15:04] <sil2100> Let me try reconfiguring for you as the spreadsheet is brokennish
[15:05] <elopio> sil2100: yes please. I can't find that landing tools menu.
[15:06] <sil2100> elopio: should be reconfigured and ready to build
[15:06] <elopio> thanks sil2100
[15:07] <sil2100> yw
[15:20] <fginther> Mirv, I think the current home for bug #1441638 is a good place for wishlist items, eventually these would be requested based on their priorities
[15:21] <fginther> Mirv, so these should live where other tasks for the ci-train are tracked
[15:39] <rvr> Bad news. I found a regression in image 266, related to wizard and Oxide.
[15:39] <rvr> Filling bug.
[15:46] <boiko> trainguards: can I get vivid silo 21 reconfigured? I added new components there (telephony-service and history-service)
[15:53] <rvr> mterry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1441708
[15:54] <rvr> mterry: That's a regression in RTM proposed 266
[15:55] <mterry> rvr, sounds like the affected version of oxide got backported to rtm
[15:55] <mterry> or at least, the patch did
[15:55] <rvr> mterry: Yes, jibel told me that we have the same version in Vivid and RTM.
[15:56] <mterry> rvr, of oxide? bummer
[15:56] <mterry> rvr, ok will mark as dup of main bug and open a subtask
[15:56] <sil2100> boiko: hey!
[15:56] <sil2100> boiko: ok, let me reconfigure while the spreadsheet still keeps the state
[15:57] <boiko> sil2100: I got a fatal error at the spreadsheet, is it broken again?
[15:57] <sil2100> boiko: yep, see the topic, it's bullshit again
[15:57] <sil2100> But we're working with google on that
[15:57] <boiko> sil2100: ok
[15:57] <sil2100> I mean, we try to :|
[15:59] <rvr> mterry: I would say this is a high priority bug, as can prevent promoting OTA3. Not that I am the one who makes those decisions, but...
[15:59] <sil2100> boiko: could you refresh the spreadsheet and double-confirm the right branches are in your row?
[15:59] <sil2100> rvr: wow, I knew we had this in vivid, but now it's in rtm as well?
[15:59] <rvr> sil2100: Yes
[16:00] <mterry> rvr, chrisccoulson is probably the guy to quick-fix this -- it's a two line fix, but needs to be applied to the rtm branch
[16:00] <boiko> sil2100: let me see
[16:01] <boiko> sil2100: yep, it is the three branches there plus telepathy-qt (which was a source upload)
[16:01] <rvr> chrisccoulson: ^^
[16:03] <sil2100> boiko: reconfiguring then
[16:05] <boiko> sil2100: thanks!
[17:04] <rvr> bfiller: ping
[17:04] <bfiller> rvr: pong
[17:04] <rvr> bfiller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/telephony-service/+bug/1441746
[17:05] <bfiller> salem_: ^^^
[17:10] <salem_> rvr, can you miss another call from the same number just to make sure the bug is still reproducible with 2?
[17:10] <rvr> salem_: Right, let me check
[17:12] <rvr> salem_: "2 missed calls"
[17:14] <rvr> salem_: http://people.canonical.com/~vrruiz/missed-calls.png
[17:42] <robru> seb128: the thing about the two different statuses in the dashboard is that the lower, smaller-font one comes from the spreadsheet, so that's just a side effect of the spreadsheet being totally busted.
[17:42] <sil2100> robru: are you getting fatal errors right now? Since I again stopped getting errors from the time-driven scripts from the spreadsheet
[17:43] <robru> sil2100: I just did an assignment without any errors
[17:43] <sil2100> (which might mean it's temporarily working)
[17:43] <sil2100> Ok
[17:43] <robru> bfiller: got you silo 15
[17:43] <sil2100> Who knows, maybe google is *actually* looking into it
[17:43] <robru> sil2100: did you report the issues to them?
[17:44] <sil2100> robru: yeah, but Didier said he did that in the past as well and they didn't do anything, but maybe this time it was different
[17:45] <robru> sil2100: I'm starting to think we should rip *all* the code out of the spreadsheet and use it purely as a dumb data-store, and do all the calcuations/formulas in jenkins, where we can write things testably.
[17:46] <sil2100> robru: might be a good way forward, although I think it actually might not be directly related to the scripts themselves... I suppose the thing that triggers it is simply the internal google sync-between-open-clients code
[17:47] <robru> sil2100: yeah the syncing is definitely impacted, but I have a hard time believing that google is incapable of making a service that can sync among 30 people. google is known for scalability, it must be our scripts/formulas that are dragging it down
[17:48] <sil2100> robru: all in all, I wouldn't waste time on this as our top-priority should be the replacement - I would push more on getting some google people actually working on this instead
[17:49] <robru> sil2100: yeah, the ticket system isn't as far along as we previously thought. I'm not sure how long it will take before it will be ready. I think we really need to stop the bleeding before we can consider the replacement. think of all the man-hours lost to spreadsheet fuckery, how many more months can we sustain that for?
[17:51] <sil2100> I would say let's then assign more resources to the replacement and get this done faster then, at least until we know that there's nothing that google can do to help
[17:51] <sil2100> *-then
[17:53] <sil2100> Me and Steve will be poking about that the CI team tomorrow
[17:53] <sil2100> Since the recent problems popped-up, we want much much more priority set on it
[17:54] <robru> sil2100: yeah, if we can get people on it that would be great
[17:55] <sil2100> robru: let's discuss all the possibilities tomorrow, we'll know more about the current priorities and we can set the plans accordingly
[17:55] <sil2100> And there's next week too, we can discuss it further
[17:56] <robru> sil2100: yeah next week will be good
[18:20] <john-mcaleely> fresh rtm tarball for krillin
[18:20] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-20150408-4f14058.tar.xz
[18:20] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-20150408-4f14058.changes
[18:20] <john-mcaleely> http://people.canonical.com/~jhm/barajas/ubuntu-rtm-14.09/device_krillin-testresults-20150408-4f14058.ods
[18:20] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, pmcgowan ^
[18:20] <sil2100> \o/
[18:20] <sil2100> davmor2: hey, I guess you'll be EOD pretty soon, right?
[18:21] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, ping me in telgram if you get a +1 I can action tonight
[18:21] <john-mcaleely> (or the mobile in the corp. dir)
[18:21] <pmcgowan> john-mcaleely, thanks
[18:21] <davmor2> sil2100: indeed
[18:22] <davmor2> jibel: who will be best for this om26er maybe or do you want to leave it till the morning
[18:23] <john-mcaleely> (also in the tarballs & clicks tab of the spreadsheet)
[18:27] <bzoltan> ogra_: any chance to push this out, to keep mzanetti happy? https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/ubuntu-seeds/add_libssl_and_qtpim_devs/+merge/254902
[21:28] <lool> Hi folks, I'm not sure what's happening with silo 12
[21:29] <lool> it doesn't seem to be up in the QA board, actually I thought it had passed yesterday
[21:29] <lool> (this is for vivid)
[21:29] <lool> trainguards ^
[21:31] <robru> lool: looks like you need to run the build job. The train doesn't think anything has been done there which is why it isn't submitted for qa
[21:31] <robru> lool: i see you uploaded a package but you haven't done anything to inform the train of this
[21:32] <lool> aha, thanks
[21:32] <lool> I'll just press build then?
[21:32] <robru> lool: yep
[21:34] <lool> Ok, so it's "packages built" now; I guess I dont need to press anything for the QA dashboard addition though?
[21:36] <lool> great
[21:36] <lool> looks good in trello now
[21:37] <robru> lool: yep ;-)
[21:58] <john-mcaleely> pmcgowan, so, om26er has given a +1 to the device tarball. I'll push it now, so there's a build with it in
[22:01] <pmcgowan> john-mcaleely, great
[22:02] <pmcgowan> I think someone needs to kick a build
[22:02] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, still about?
[22:02] <john-mcaleely> pmcgowan, generally, the machines spot new tarballs and do that
[22:02] <pmcgowan> oh
[22:02] <john-mcaleely> unless that's been turned off
[22:02] <john-mcaleely> give it 10 mins
[22:17] <john-mcaleely> imgbot, status 267
[22:17] <imgbot> Error: No rootfs build found, was this a device or custom build ?
[22:18] <john-mcaleely> pmcgowan, ^ imgbot tells all :-)
[22:18] <john-mcaleely> 267 contains the device tarball
[23:24] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: yup, what's up?
[23:25] <rsalveti> pmcgowan: yeah, the device tarball is kind of automatic
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[00:11] <jabuk> M 1.6 > 7.km S od ŠENTJERNEJA @08/04/2015 02:00:36 https://maps.google.com/?q=45.9+N,+15.31+E
[06:46] <yang> http://www.choosemuse.com/
[06:46] <Seniorita> MUSE ™ | The Brain Sensing Headband
[06:46] <Seniorita> »Muse is a brain fitness tool that helps you do more with your mind by training your brain to reduce stress & anxiety and increase focus, in just 3 minutes a day.«
[08:09] <CrazyLemon> http://www.siol.net/avtomoto/zanimivosti/reportaze/2015/04/bojna_ladja_musashi.aspx
[08:09] <Seniorita> Milijarder našel izgubljeno največjo bojno ladjo vseh časov | Reportaže - Planet Siol.net
[08:09] <Seniorita> »Paul Allen, soustanovitelj Microsofta in zgodovinarski zanesenjak, je po osmih letih iskanja na globini tisoč metrov našel največjo bojno ladjo vseh časov - japonski Musaši.«
[08:22] <yang> ja zanimivo
[08:22] <idioterna> wtf srsly
[08:23] <idioterna> to je vec k mesec dni stara novica
[08:23] <idioterna> aja
[08:23] <idioterna> siol
[08:23] <idioterna> makes sense
[08:23] <yang> ja morajo jo od nekje prepisat
[08:23] <yang> pa poslovenit
[08:23] <jabuk> Seeing the new guy debugging without stack trace http://tclhost.com/pN5On82.jpg
[08:24] <CrazyLemon> jah zakaj nisi skopiral sem ffs.. nimate se pravice pritoževat ČE novice NISTE skopirali na kanal! pika stop
[08:24] <idioterna> o
[08:24] <idioterna> to sm pa tut js naredu
[08:24] <idioterna> odheblal spegu
[08:24] <idioterna> enmu
[08:37] <idioterna> http://i.imgur.com/vruzm.gif
[08:37] <idioterna> "Hilarious to think though that this guy should be prepared to go through the gates of hell so long as the gates don't pull open."
[09:12] <napsy> stupid guy, doors are for people!
[10:19] <slax0r> ajej
[10:19] <slax0r> en dan me ni na firmi
[10:19] <slax0r> pa use zjebejo
[10:19] <slax0r> cepci eni
[10:23] <CrazyLemon> it's your fault.. če bi bil v firmi se to ne bi zgodilo! :>
[10:27] <yang> a nisi redundant ?
[10:27] <yang> to je klinc
[10:27] <yang> se na dopust ne mores
[10:31] <dz0ny> /* MIssing docs *//
[11:19] <Seniorita> [Web Upd8] Andrew: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Gets `Always Show Menus` Unity Feature (Proposed Repository) http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/webupd8/~3/i5hNy-ynt3s/ubuntu-1404-lts-gets-always-show-menus.html
[11:23] <CrazyLemon> http://www.siol.net/sportal/rekreacija/novice/2015/04/retro_dirka_red_bull_goni_pony.aspx
[11:23] <Seniorita> Retro vabi: kolo pony in vzpon na Vršič bosta združila moči | Rekreacija - Planet Siol.net
[11:23] <Seniorita> »6. junija 2015 bo na Vršiču kolesarski spektakel prav posebne vrste. Najvišji slovenski cestni prelaz bo mogoče osvojiti z drobnim zložljivim kolesom brez prestav, legendarnim ponyjem.«
[11:23] <jabuk> going to a restaurant after a hard coding day http://i.imgur.com/A58nw.gif
[11:23] <CrazyLemon> kje je zdobersek
[11:26] <idioterna> na internetu
[11:26] <CrazyLemon> na teh internetih ga ni!
[11:40] <yang> s ponijem brez prestav na vrsic, dobri so
[11:40] <idioterna> eh
[11:40] <yang> jst v prvi prestavi ne pridem
[11:40] <idioterna> prov zlo tezko ni
[11:40] <idioterna> jah ti
[11:40] <yang> prjavi se idioterna
[11:40] <idioterna> jsm su lansko jesen dvakrat maraton alpe s kolegom k je meu sam eno prestavo
[11:41] <idioterna> nism navdusen nad skupinskimi prireditvami
[11:41] <zdobersek> pussy smer?
[11:41] <idioterna> zdobersek: v vsako smer enkrat
[11:41] <idioterna> ampak mislm da vem kera je pussy
[11:41] <idioterna> una k gres iz slovenske strani na pavlica
[11:41] <jabuk> when you have the solution of a big problem and you come into the boss’ office http://i.imgur.com/2p1b0jH.gif
[11:41] <idioterna> k je kr precej bl uizi
[11:41] <idioterna> sva pa na jezersko iz slovenske strani gonila za enim psihicom
[11:41] <jabuk> after staring at code for 30 minutes http://i.imgur.com/6vwZeOl.gif
[11:42] <idioterna> skos je slo 25+
[11:42] <yang> kaj se jabuk tkole random oglasa ?
[11:42] <idioterna> isto k mi
[11:43] <idioterna> sva mislna da mu bo zmankal sape
[11:43] <idioterna> pa mu ni
[11:43] <idioterna> cist do vrha je slo
[11:43] <idioterna> mislm do meje
[11:43] <idioterna> pol se je ustavu pa su nazaj dol
[11:43] <yang> a cesta cez mangart je lepa ?
[11:43] <idioterna> mogoce se boji avstrije
[11:43] <idioterna> jah lepa
[11:43] <idioterna> za s kolesom je super
[11:43] <yang> jst bi sel z avtom
[11:43] <idioterna> ozko je
[11:43] <idioterna> ne mors se srecat z drugimi avti
[11:43] <idioterna> s kolesom ni panike
[11:43] <zdobersek> 25 ste se vozl zadnje 4km?
[11:43] <yang> aha
[11:43] <idioterna> zdobersek: ne
[11:43] <idioterna> do jezera
[11:44] <idioterna> tm gor je mal bl sopihal
[11:44] <idioterna> ne vem kok smo sli
[11:44] <idioterna> do jezera smo mel povprecje 27
[11:44] <zdobersek> 25 ste se vozl zadnji km pred naseljem??
[11:44] <zdobersek> -?
[11:44] <idioterna> mislm da ja
[11:44] <idioterna> ne vem uresnic
[11:44] <idioterna> grem pogledat na stravo
[11:45] <zdobersek> do jezera ste loh mel 27 povprecje, ampak tist zadnji kucl je mal preoster za 25kmh
[11:45] <zdobersek> no, odvisno kok se pises
[11:46] <idioterna> 16 je avg
[11:46] <idioterna> zadn km pred naseljem
[11:46] <idioterna> serpentine pa 12.6
[11:46] <idioterna> pismo v kondiciji k sm zdele bi mel 6
[11:46] <idioterna> no sej sm pluca vn plunu navrh
[11:46] <idioterna> ze takrat
[11:47] <idioterna> aha vidm kje smo tok nabral
[11:47] <zdobersek> poj gres tak se na pavlica
[11:47] <idioterna> ja sej na dol sva sla zlo na izi
[11:47] <idioterna> k je meu kolega fixija
[11:47] <idioterna> ni mogu kr spustit
[11:48] <idioterna> tko da sva za dol kr rabla
[11:48] <zdobersek> kolk ma prenos?
[11:48] <idioterna> hm
[11:48] <idioterna> a ves da ne vem
[11:48] <idioterna> loh pogledam pomoje
[11:49] <idioterna> Fuji Track 2.1 48-15 fixed
[11:49] <idioterna> tole
[11:49] <yang> idioterna: a si v klubu BDSM ? S fixijem na Pavlica...
[11:50] * idioterna yangu pokaze jezik
[11:50] <zdobersek> kr posteno, to je 53/17
[11:51] <idioterna> ma mejhn je
[11:51] <idioterna> ne vem kok ma kil ampak predlan je se cikcakal
[11:51] <idioterna> zdej pa kr direkt gor gon
[11:51] <zdobersek> ce je mejhn, pol mu tak prenos ne pomaga
[11:52] <idioterna> ne vem kok je velk
[11:53] <idioterna> pac lahek je no
[11:53] <idioterna> ampak ja un stibilj je visji
[11:53] <idioterna> pa gre kr hitrejs
[11:53] <idioterna> sam tut vec voz
[11:53] <idioterna> Bottecchia 48/16 (fixed gear)
[11:53] <idioterna> je pa ocitno mal bl pussy tut :)
[11:54] <yang> a pr fixiju ce gres nazaj s pedali je kontra kt pr ponijih ?
[11:54] <yang> mislim zabremza te
[11:55] <idioterna> ja ne
[11:55] <idioterna> nazaj vrtis gumo
[11:55] <idioterna> ce nazaj vrtis pedala
[11:55] <idioterna> zato na fixiju ne mors bit brez clipov al pa pasckov
[11:55] <idioterna> ker ko hocs zabremzat te sam dvigne
[11:56] <idioterna> mors met nogo na pedal prheblano da loh vleces v obratno smer
[11:56] <idioterna> da zaviras
[11:56] <yang> hm
[11:56] <yang> zgleda problematicno oz. ne vem kaj je prednost fixija potem
[11:57] <idioterna> da se nima kej pokvart
[11:57] <zdobersek> hipsterkul
[11:57] <idioterna> tut to ja
[11:57] <idioterna> pac low maintenance bicikl je
[11:57] <idioterna> za po mestu je cist nice
[11:57] <idioterna> dolgorocno dalec najbl cheap
[11:58] <idioterna> nardis loh ene 20k med servisi
[11:58] <yang> tej bicikelj majo tut samo eno prestavo, samo hitr ne mors it z njim ker majo dost nizko prestavo pa samo eno , ne mors saltat
[11:58] <yang> morm se registrirat spet na terminlu
[11:58] <idioterna> sam bicikelj ni fixed
[11:58] <idioterna> pa ja, prenos je bl za upokojence
[11:58] <idioterna> verjetn zato da se neb kdo ubil
[11:59] <yang> ja, mislim sej je ok, ampak pocasi gre ane
[11:59] <idioterna> ja 30 gres kr tezko
[11:59] <yang> men je najboilj vsec tak bicikel s prestavamu tut za po mestu
[11:59] <yang> tok da grem lohk z njim se do gameljn v klanc
[11:59] <yang> pc unih 200 metrov klanca kot ga je
[12:02] <idioterna> jah
[12:02] <idioterna> man up
[12:02] <idioterna> pa naus rabu prestav
[12:04] <yang> zdobersek: a si sel ti res do ukraine z biciklom ?
[12:05] <idioterna> sej to ni neki ful dalec
[12:05] <yang> mislim, si celo pot iz slovenije do tja kolesaril ?
[12:05] <idioterna> ksnih 1000km
[12:05] <jabuk> When my own bugfix causes an error http://tclhost.com/F9Fa6i6.gif
[12:05] <idioterna> 5 dni
[12:05] <idioterna> vecina itak sama ravnina
[12:05] <zdobersek> yang: ?
[12:05] <zdobersek> ne
[12:06] <idioterna> actually je sam 750km iz lublane do ukrajine
[12:06] <yang> zdobersek: aja ene slike mam v spominu, sem mislu da si bil tam vi kievu z biciklom
[12:06] <CrazyLemon> lol
[12:08] <dz0ny> /notify join sky*
[12:08] <dz0ny> meh
[12:09] <yang> idioterna: ja, no do kieva je 1600
[12:10] <yang> k ni ravno ob meji
[12:10] <yang> zato se mi je zdela mal dolga za bicikelj
[12:11] <yang> spomnim se enih slik od zdobersek lahko da je bil hec
[12:17] <zdobersek> nope
[12:19] <idioterna> od ljubljane do zagreba rabis 4 ure pa pol
[12:19] <idioterna> ce ne gres pretirano hitro
[12:19] <idioterna> s kolesom
[12:22] <lynxlynxlynx> kakšno kolo to? :s
[12:22] <CrazyLemon> koliko je do zg? 100km?
[12:24] <zdobersek> LEVI PAS
[12:24] <zdobersek> TO JE SPAS
[12:26] <idioterna> 145km
[12:26] <idioterna> 150 od preserca do bana jelacica
[12:26] <idioterna> skos ob savi
[12:27] <zdobersek> ob, ne po
[12:27] <zdobersek> thar be the difference
[12:27] <idioterna> ja sej nism reku po
[12:28] <idioterna> lynxlynxlynx: https://bou.si/pic/best-cukr-in-town.jpg
[12:28] <idioterna> taksno kolo
[12:28] <zdobersek> dat drop
[12:29] <lynxlynxlynx> to je čez 30 povprečna hitrost
[12:30] <lynxlynxlynx> ni za mojga trekija
[12:32] <idioterna> sej je skos na dol
[12:33] <idioterna> http://app.strava.com/activities/87109530
[12:33] <idioterna> lej!
[12:33] <Seniorita> Bike Ride Profile | Po cukr u Kraš near Ljubljana Polje | Times and Records | Strava
[12:33] <lynxlynxlynx> ne more bit
[12:34] <zdobersek> mora bit
[12:34] <zdobersek> zard Save
[12:34] <lynxlynxlynx> absolutno
[12:35] <lynxlynxlynx> samo na 150km razdalji ti tega ne boš čutil
[12:42] <zdobersek> oh snap http://www.delo.si/novice/politika/nsi-bo-ohranila-samostojnost.html
[12:42] <Seniorita> NSi dala košarico SDS glede pridružitve vladi v senci
[12:42] <Seniorita> »»Najprej je treba povrniti zaupanje, ki je bilo v preteklosti porušeno,« je dejala predsednica NSi Ljudmila Novak.«
[13:02] <idioterna> ej CrazyLemon
[13:02] <idioterna> a si ti dons en ubuntu phone pejstnu
[13:02] <idioterna> ne najdem ga vec :\
[13:04] <idioterna> aha nasu
[13:04] <idioterna> http://www.bq.com/gb/ubuntu.html
[13:04] <Seniorita> bq - Aquaris E4.5 Ubuntu Edition. Life at your fingertips.
[13:04] <Seniorita> »Ubuntu reinvents the way you interact with your smartphone.«
[13:08] <zdobersek> can I haz it unlocked?
[13:12] <CrazyLemon> idioterna danes ne..
[13:13] <CrazyLemon> idioterna drugače pa.. jaz bi na tvojem mestu počakal na meizu
[13:13] <idioterna> jaz nisem interesent
[13:14] <idioterna> jaz samo RMS-kompatibilne telefone uporabljam
[13:14] <CrazyLemon> idioterna no kdorkoli že je
[13:14] <CrazyLemon> lol :)
[13:14] <idioterna> take: http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mAyFIgjp8U2xzGIDUq1mTcA.jpg
[13:14] <CrazyLemon> tale je bl developer edition
[13:14] <CrazyLemon> RMS komunist?
[13:14] <idioterna> ja ne pac
[13:14] <idioterna> brez baterije mora bit
[13:15] <idioterna> da ko ga spulis iz stroma te ne more vec nadzirat
[13:15] <CrazyLemon> pa čisto takega smo mi meli doma .. iskra se mi zdi
[13:15] <idioterna> mhm
[13:15] <idioterna> sej to je eden najbolj nagrajenih industrijskih dizajnov na svetu
[13:15] <idioterna> we had no idea what we had!
[14:46] <yang> heh kar se dizajna tice, je en tip v jugi delal specialne mikrofone
[14:46] <yang> bil sem na razstavi
[14:46] <yang> sej mam nekje slike
[14:46] <yang> sment, pa sem ze pozabil kako se je pisal
[14:48] <yang> http://www.mao.si/Razstava/Marko-Turk-Homo-faber_1.aspx
[14:48] <Seniorita> Marko Turk - Homo faber - Razstava - MAO
[14:48] <Seniorita> »Marko Turk (1920-1999) se je skozi dolga leta prakse na področju konstruiranja in oblikovanja mikrofonov izuril do najvišje možne stopnje. V MAO si je mogoče ogledati razstavo mojstra oblikovanja mikrofonov z novimi pridobitvami in predmeti iz drugih zbirk, ki so le redko na ogled javnosti.«
[14:48] <yang> se splaca it pogledat
[14:49] <Sky[x]> lp
[14:51] <yang> vse je sam delal
[14:52] <yang> http://www.mladina.si/164928/marko-turk-mojster-mikrofonov/
[14:52] <Seniorita> Marko Turk, mojster mikrofonov | MLADINA.si
[14:52] <Seniorita> »Marka Turka štejemo med najpomembnejše in najžlahtnejše slovenske industrijske oblikovalce. A po njegovem je to postal po pomoti, saj je zase trdil, da je v prvi...«
[14:52] <jabuk> when the sales guy promises something impossible during a meeting http://tclhost.com/V9lTPih.gif
[14:57] <zdobersek> ze teden sem brez kolesa
[14:57] <zdobersek> cheers
[14:57] <idioterna> i know how that feels
[14:57] <idioterna> js grem pa cez worle domu
[15:05] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek waat
[15:05] <Seniorita> [Ubuntu Security] USN-2559-1: Libtasn1 vulnerability http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2559-1/
[15:19] <CrazyLemon> http://www.rtvslo.si/svet/rop-vseh-casov-v-londonu-ukradli-za-200-milijonov-funtov-diamantov/362402
[15:19] <Seniorita> Rop "vseh časov" v Londonu: Ukradli za 200 milijonov funtov diamantov :: Prvi interaktivni multimedijski portal, MMC RTV Slovenija
[15:19] <Seniorita> »Iz sefov v londonski draguljarski četrti so nepridipravi med velikonočnimi prazniki ukradli za 200 milijonov funtov diamantov.«
[15:19] <jabuk> debugging on monday http://tclhost.com/2gfofSh.gif
[15:30] <Sky[x]> lp
[15:53] <zdobbie> CrazyLemon: http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/1.2298233
[15:53] <Seniorita> Sprinten in de Scheldeprijs: 4e zware valpartij in 7 jaar
[15:53] <Seniorita> »De Scheldeprijs heeft de voorbije jaren een bedenkelijke reputatie opgebouwd. Het was dit jaar immers niet de eerste keer dat er brokken gemaakt werden in de massasprint.«
[15:54] <zdobbie> vabljen na Franjo
[16:14] <yang> Franja just4you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2fccH9Dlh8
[16:14] <Seniorita> Nasa Mala Klinika- Sestra Mira (upskirt) - YouTube
[16:14] <Seniorita> »Sonja Damjanovic«
[16:17] <Sky[x]> kje ste vsi?
[16:18] <yang> jaz sem tule, za ostale pa ne vem
[16:22] <Sky[x]> :)
[16:26] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie no comprende
[16:26] <zdobbie> CrazyLemon: HET IST EN VALL
[16:26] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie dont het me!
[16:30] <zdobbie> hethethethethet
[18:01] <Sky[x]> CrazyLemon: si ze updejtov androida? :>
[18:04] <miha> Dan
[18:04] <Sky[x]> dan
[18:06] <miha> Kako?
[18:08] <Sky[x]> vredu razen tega da me rit boli ker sem danes odpru kolesarsko sezono :>
[18:08] <yang> Navijaško ole, ole olimpija
[18:08] <Sky[x]> sej res morm przgat da mal poslusam :)
[18:08] <yang> jst kr v zivo slisim
[18:09] <yang> sem (na zalost) tolk bliz
[18:21] <CrazyLemon> Sky[x] se je sam :)
[18:22] <Sky[x]> CrazyLemon: zanima me ce se ze splaca al se ne :)
[18:22] <CrazyLemon> Sky[x] ni nekih hudih opaznih razlik na UI
[18:22] <Sky[x]> kaksni novi problemi?
[18:23] <CrazyLemon> ni niti starih problemov bilo :D
[18:24] <Sky[x]> ja nic pol pa dejmo updejtat :>
[18:24] <Sky[x]> prej se nafilat :D
[18:26] <zdobersek> noooooooooooooooo
[18:31] <Sky[x]> ?
[18:33] <dz0ny> zihr bi rad da nekam vpišeš dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/by-disk-type/*
[18:33] <dz0ny> to tud fila mobitel
[18:54] <zdobersek> ah shite
[18:54] <zdobersek> lih je su dol
[18:59] <CrazyLemon> mogoče je lih to vpisal!
[18:59] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek kaj je s folijo?
[18:59] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: het is mien bike
[18:59] <CrazyLemon> dont het it
[19:00] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: kaj je z folijo?
[19:00] <zdobersek> sedi ze en teden v kotu
[19:00] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek but why..did you break it?
[19:01] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: ma veter je bil.
[19:01] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek lies
[19:01] <yang> dz0ny: query
[19:03] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: nah, just sitting here
[19:03] <CrazyLemon> sitting in lies!
[19:07] <CrazyLemon> .yt doja cat so high
[19:07] <jabuk> Doja Cat - So High (Explicit Version) (4 minute) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LJsMUkxIWY ♥14,989 ▶1,284,811
[19:12] <zdobersek> EXPLICIT!
[19:12] <zdobersek> wat en 'crazy lemon'
[19:16] <zdobersek> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4JUXB2JTAU
[19:16] <Seniorita> Doja Cat - No Police - YouTube
[19:16] <zdobersek> wiuwiu
[19:16] <Seniorita> »Music video by Doja Cat performing No Police. (C) 2014«
[19:16] <zdobersek> wiuwiu
[19:29] <CrazyLemon> ツ ok..your is better
[19:30] <CrazyLemon> but just because she said panties and tap it
[19:52] <zdobbie> wat en smiley
[19:52] <CrazyLemon> ツ
[19:52] <CrazyLemon> awesome right
[19:52] <CrazyLemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XjqMHLmVD0
[19:52] <Seniorita> Inside Amy Schumer - SandraGel - YouTube
[19:52] <CrazyLemon> kje je anny :D
[19:52] <Seniorita> »A new skin cream for women helps raise estrogen levels and restore typical feminine behavior. Watch more Inside Amy Schumer here: http://on.cc.com/1bS5EOW«
[19:57] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: but look!
[19:57] <zdobersek> m => nn
[19:57] <zdobersek> It's Anny Schumer!
[19:59] <CrazyLemon> hm.. might be
[19:59] <CrazyLemon> anny se res piše nekaj na sc
[19:59] <CrazyLemon> sch*
[23:07] <Seniorita> [Ubuntu Security] USN-2563-1: Linux kernel vulnerabilities http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2563-1/
[23:08] <Seniorita> [Ubuntu Security] USN-2562-1: Linux kernel (Trusty HWE) vulnerabilities http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2562-1/
[23:09] <Seniorita> [Ubuntu Security] USN-2561-1: Linux kernel (OMAP4) vulnerabilities http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2561-1/
[23:10] <Seniorita> [Ubuntu Security] USN-2560-1: Linux kernel vulnerabilities http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2560-1/
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"Seniorita",
"Sky[x]",
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"slax0r",
"yang",
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[07:29] <Kilos> helloooo africa
[13:57] <ongolaBoy> hello
[13:57] <Kilos> hi ongolaBoy
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"license": "Public Domain",
"authors": [
"Kilos",
"ongolaBoy"
],
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"channel": "#ubuntu-africa"
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2015-04-08-#juju-dev
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[00:04] <axw> katco: just eating breakfast, 5 mins please
[00:04] <axw> katco: also, network has been going out still if it's not obvious...
[00:04] <katco> axw: haha, ok i'll email my question... please take your time and enjoy your breakfast
[00:17] <axw> katco: standup now?
[00:18] <katco> axw: sure
[00:19] <katco> axw: one sec sorry
[00:19] <axw> katco: sure
[00:20] <katco> axw: k omw
[02:20] <thumper> I'm likely to drop off at some time as I move from ADSL to VDSL
[02:21] <jw4> thumper: VDSL?
[02:21] <rick_h_> very dsl, it's like super powered
[02:21] <thumper> very fast
[02:21] <rick_h_> :P
[02:21] <jw4> haha
[02:21] <jw4> nice
[02:21] <rick_h_> more dsl than normal
[02:22] <thumper> I'm currently getting about 14 Mbps down and less than 1 up
[02:22] <thumper> VDSL should make it about 20/6
[02:22] <rick_h_> nice
[02:22] <jw4> sweet.
[02:22] <thumper> slightly faster down, much faster up
[02:22] <rick_h_> upgraded to 50/10 last week. Got sick of 1.5mb up
[02:22] <thumper> and the same modem they have given me will work for fibre when I get it in six months or so
[02:22] <jw4> I (briefly) considered moving to kansas city when google announced fiber there
[02:23] <thumper> which will make it over 150 symmetric
[02:23] * rick_h_ dreams of 100 bidirectional
[02:23] <jw4> wow
[02:23] <thumper> well, you have to remember that this is within NZ
[02:23] <thumper> push anything over the wet noodle to the states and it slows down
[02:23] <rick_h_> lol
[02:23] <jw4> yeah, when you cross the pacifc you slow to a crawl I suppose
[02:24] <rick_h_> thumper: yea, remmeber that in all these 'api calls' they going to go through london across oceans heh
[03:24] <katco> axw_: dummy charm is working; i'll try postgres tomorrow
[03:29] <katco> axw_: latest changes are in the PR. still not 100% done, but could use a look if you're bored
[03:29] <katco> good night everyone
[03:58] <thumper> wow, that made a big difference
[03:58] <thumper> locally, went from 14/0.8 Mbps to 33/9.5
[03:59] <thumper> and between here and VA, I get 7.76/5.12 Mbsp
[03:59] <thumper> so a big improvement
[04:13] <axw_> katco: sweet.
[04:13] <axw_> thumper: :o nice
[04:13] <axw_> welcome to gigatown
[04:13] <axw_> ;)
[07:23] <jam> axw: did you see the question on the mailing list about a missed upgrade step related to AvailZone ?
[07:23] <jam> Do you know anything about it?
[07:32] <axw> jam: I saw it, but I don't. I think Eric worked on that one
[07:38] <jam> axw: eric is at pycon :(
[07:45] <voidspace> morning all
[07:47] <axw> voidspace: morning
[07:48] <voidspace> axw: o/
[07:48] <axw> jam: so, looks like if there's any instanceid in state that's invalid, the whole upgrade step will fail
[07:48] <axw> not sure if that's the cause tho
[07:48] <jam> axw: could that be triggered by containers?
[07:48] <jam> ISTR that used to be invalid machine ids
[07:49] <axw> jam: I don't think containers get an entry in instancedata, but not entirely sure
[07:51] <axw> actually, they must, that's where the HW info and all that is set
[07:52] <axw> I guess the instance ID is not something that MAAS will know about tho
[07:52] <jam> I'm just spit balling. I believe there were bugs in the past because destroy-environment would send a request to MAAS to destroy the instances that were actually containers.
[07:54] <axw> jam: yeah, I think you're right
[07:58] <TheMue> voidspace: morning o/
[08:14] <mup> Bug #1441478 was opened: state: availability zone upgrade fails if containers are present <upgrade-juju> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441478>
[08:22] <voidspace> TheMue: o/
[08:22] <voidspace> no dimiterm (yet) ?
[08:22] <TheMue> voidspace: hmm, he's offline on Friday, but today he should be here
[08:23] <voidspace> yeah, that's what I thought
[08:23] <voidspace> TheMue: dooferlad: in case I forget to mention it in standup, I'm off on Friday too
[08:23] <voidspace> going to a conference with my Dad on Friday, Saturday - flying to Nuremberg Sunday
[08:31] <TheMue> voidspace: dooferlad: based on current planning I'll be off tomorrow. organizing the new car, preparing my Go/Juju talk on the conference the week after the sprint, and wedding anniversary of my parents-in-law
[08:43] <voidspace> TheMue: ok
[09:32] <mup> Bug #1438683 was opened: Containers stuck allocating, interface not up <add-machine> <cloud-installer> <landscape> <maas-provider> <network> <juju-core:Fix Committed by mfoord> <juju-core 1.23:Fix Released by mfoord> <juju-core trunk:Fix Committed by mfoord> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438683>
[11:10] <TheMue> Hehe, that's what juju is for: http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-04-08
[11:13] <dimitern> I *really* hate how I'm forced to mock out 99% of a huge Environ interface just so I can test 2 method calls on it
[11:19] <TheMue> dimitern: yeah, would be better if it would be a combination of smaller interfaces, like io.ReaderWriter, and we only use the small ones instead of the combination
[11:19] <TheMue> dimitern: so for test one only would have to mock the according smaller one
[11:21] <dimitern> TheMue, exactly! - so for example in order to get an Environ from environ config, I need a registered provider which only needs an Open() method, returning environs.Something which then has methods to get full featured interface, e.g. GetZoned -> ZonedEnviron
[11:22] <dimitern> or GetNetworking -> NetworkingEnviron
[11:23] <dimitern> granted, using finer-grained smaller interfaces for specific environ features will incur some overhead at run-time (type-asserting against a "feature sub-interface" before calling "feature-specific methods")
[11:24] <TheMue> dimitern: hmm, setting the smaller ones as parameter types is fine, but when Open() returns an Environment it always have to be a combination. but this at least could be done with a struct combining multiple smaller mocks
[11:28] <dimitern> TheMue, why it has to be a full Environ? Open can return a smaller "feature-facade" interface (e.g. GenericEnviron), which you can then use to access specific features (e.g. GenericEnviron.SupportZones() (ZonedEnviron, bool); SupportNetworking() (NetworkingEnviron, error))
[11:29] <dimitern> the problem is embedding smaller feature-based interfaces into a bigger "all-in-one" Environ interface - that thing should die at some point soon
[11:29] <TheMue> dimitern: oh, yes, that could be a good approach. it has to know those interfaces but don't implement them. yeah, like it
[12:29] <davecheney> dimitern: use a type assertion
[12:29] <davecheney> e := someenviron()
[12:30] <davecheney> ze, ok := e.(ZonedEnviron)
[12:30] <davecheney> if !ok { // bummer, doens't support zones }
[12:34] <dimitern> davecheney, I know, but I wanted to avoid the need to create something implementing Environ, just so I can call 2 methods on it
[12:35] <dimitern> davecheney, I did find a relatively cruft-free solution though: embed Environ and only implement the methods I need to test
[12:41] <davecheney> dimitern: what are the chances of having a serious discussion about refactoring the environ interface in nuremberg
[12:41] <davecheney> as in, a discussion that leads to a resolution and work in the next cycle
[12:41] <davecheney> not just another commitment to fix it, but someday
[12:43] <niedbalski> katco, ping
[12:43] <dimitern> davecheney, we already had an interesting discussion about it in Cape Town
[12:44] <dimitern> davecheney, by interesting I mean with actual implementable steps and a rough roadmap
[12:45] <dimitern> davecheney, so let's sit down, discuss it finally and get it done :)
[12:45] <davecheney> dimitern: +1
[12:45] <davecheney> dimitern: have you put it on the sprint discussion spreadsheet ?
[12:45] <niedbalski> axw, seems that commit https://github.com/juju/juju/commit/a16c5c3fd534e9457965b61621cbc2aca00cd21b , adds the leader-election by default. Would be possible to trigger a new -devel PPA build?
[12:46] <dimitern> davecheney, if not I'll do it now, while still frustrated :)
[12:46] <axw> niedbalski: best to talk with sinzui, mgz or abentley about that. I know nothing about the PPA builds
[12:47] <niedbalski> axw, yeah, will have to wait , thanks
[12:47] <davecheney> dimitern: that's best
[12:53] <dimitern> davecheney, done, I've added you to the list of attendees for it
[12:56] <davecheney> dimitern: are you sure you did ?
[12:56] <davecheney> i don't see my name there
[12:56] <dimitern> davecheney, which spreadsheet are you looking at?
[12:57] <davecheney> dimitern: which one are you looking at ?
[12:57] <davecheney> i'm looking at the correct one
[12:57] <davecheney> and so is everyone else
[12:57] <dimitern> davecheney, I've updated Juju MaaS Sprint Agenda - Nuremberg - April 201
[12:57] <dimitern> 2015
[12:57] <davecheney> fucking wonderful
[12:57] <davecheney> again we manage to have two planning documents for one event
[12:57] <davecheney> lets open the champagn
[12:57] <dimitern> :)
[12:57] <davecheney> dimitern: you have updated a document nobody on juju has access to
[12:58] <davecheney> dimitern: please give me the link to the document you are using
[12:58] <dimitern> I think that one I've updated is used for scheduling based on the first one with the list of topics
[12:58] <TheMue> I thought it's the Nuremberg Sprint Topics/Planing Juju Core?
[12:58] <dimitern> I'll update both now
[12:58] <davecheney> dimitern: can we stop writing stuff down twice ?
[12:58] <davecheney> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheets/d/1TrPuHrWvnHU-Ekzt9SLEoWVaSV-f87kHOuLXqzjHnCc/edit#gid=0
[12:58] <TheMue> davecheney: +1
[12:58] <davecheney> this is the document
[12:58] <davecheney> any others shold be deleted and merged into the correct document, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheets/d/1TrPuHrWvnHU-Ekzt9SLEoWVaSV-f87kHOuLXqzjHnCc/edit#gid=0
[13:02] <dimitern> davecheney, updated both now
[13:03] <davecheney> thanks
[13:14] <alexisb> davecheney, I have to get use to you talking in this timezone ;)
[13:16] <davecheney> then i'll change it up on you
[13:20] <alexisb> jam, you still around?
[13:20] <jam> alexisb: I am
[13:20] <alexisb> heya
[13:21] <alexisb> first off thank you for looking at lp 1441302
[13:21] <alexisb> I will follow-up with the QA team today re the env
[13:21] <alexisb> for the other bug you are were looking at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1440737
[13:22] <jam> that's also timing related, just potentially higher sensitivity I think
[13:23] <alexisb> sounds like there are some test updates needed, do you think their is an actual bug in the code?
[13:23] <davecheney> alexisb: why is a test failure marked as a private bug
[13:24] <jam> both bugs look to be test related
[13:24] <alexisb> davecheney, that is a very good question
[13:24] <davecheney> it contains only information about a synthetic test run
[13:24] <davecheney> and is not related to a security issue
[13:25] <davecheney> fat finger issue ?
[13:25] <alexisb> davecheney, I believe so, but i have not actually verified with the bug submitter
[13:26] <davecheney> trust me, it's just a common garden test faliure
[13:30] <jam> davecheney: I think CI prefers to make them private because there have been bugs in the past where Juju would leak secrets to the log file
[13:30] <jam> alexisb: ^^
[13:31] <davecheney> jam: this is a test run
[13:31] <davecheney> there are no secrets to leak
[13:34] <alexisb> katco, ping
[13:34] <wwitzel3> natefinch: 1 on 1?
[13:35] <natefinch> wwitzel3: yep
[13:58] <katco> alexisb: pong
[14:01] <alexisb> katco, sorry one sec
[14:01] <katco> alexisb: no worries
[14:03] <rogpeppe1> mgz: how can i determine if a given repo is managed by the juju bot or not?
[14:04] <mgz> rogpeppe1: from the github side? if it has hacker or bots as contributors
[14:04] <mgz> *collaborators
[14:05] <rogpeppe1> mgz: so juju/charm has Hackers under team collaborators, so that means i should use $$merge$$ there?
[14:05] <mgz> rogpeppe1: see github.com/orgs/juju/teams/hackers/repositories and same but /bots/
[14:06] <mgz> rogpeppe1: charm does not
[14:06] <mgz> but yeah, if it does
[14:06] <rogpeppe1> mgz: but it has hackers as collaborators...
[14:06] <mgz> rogpeppe1: I wanted to do charm, but it doesn't build with tips of deps when I tried, and has no dependencies.tsv
[14:06] <rogpeppe1> mgz: so... how can i determine... etc?
[14:07] <mgz> rogpeppe1: see the pages above^
[14:07] <rogpeppe1> mgz: juju/charm is in github.com/orgs/juju/teams/hackers/repositories
[14:07] <alexisb> katco, can you take a look at this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1441319
[14:07] <mup> Bug #1441319: failed to retrieve the template to clone: template container juju-trusty-lxc-template did not stop <ci> <lxc> <oil> <test-failure> <vivid> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.23:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441319>
[14:07] <rogpeppe1> mgz: is it just bots that i should be looking at?
[14:07] <alexisb> looks like you worked in 1.22
[14:08] * katco looking
[14:08] <mgz> rogpeppe1: look at either, if it's in hackers you have to use the github merge button or similar, if it's in bots you need $$merge$$
[14:09] <rogpeppe1> mgz: you could quite easily (i hope) add a dependencies.tsv file to juju/charm by updating deps to those found in juju-core or charmstore first, then using that
[14:10] <mgz> rogpeppe1: I'd like to add more of these subrepos to the gated set, if you have any you want please say
[14:10] <mgz> there are just a few requirements/restrictions over what's needed to build/test
[14:10] <rogpeppe1> mgz: sure. some of them are gated by a rival bot
[14:10] <rogpeppe1> mgz: (e.g. charmstore)
[14:10] <mgz> rogpeppe1: the juju-gui bits are the same code (roughly) via a different jenkins
[14:11] <mgz> both are in the bots group
[14:19] <katco> alexisb: i remember this
[14:40] <katco> mgz: would you be able to tell me what "lxc-start --version" returns on whatever machine runs "local-deploy-vivid-amd64 (non-voting)"?
[14:41] <mgz> katco: sure, sec
[14:43] <TheMue> need some assist regarding LogMatches. my test shows http://paste.ubuntu.com/10773293/ as output and I don't know why it fails.
[14:48] <mgz> katco: 1.1.0
[14:48] <katco> mgz: ty kindly
[14:48] <mgz> package version 1.1.0-0ubuntu1
[14:48] <katco> thanks
[14:50] <wwitzel3> TheMue: did you try printing out the length of each message and make sure it matches?
[14:51] <wwitzel3> TheMue: sometimes there is some hidden character and I know the last check the LogMatches does is a length check
[14:51] <TheMue> wwitzel3: to catch appended spaces? good idea
[14:52] * natefinch grumbles about tests that do string matching on errors
[14:53] <TheMue> ah, that's why I hear it grumbling here
[14:55] <TheMue> wwitzel3: hmm, both are the same
[15:02] <wwitzel3> TheMue: :(
[15:02] <TheMue> wwitzel3: got a good hint by dimitern, the parens need escaping
[15:03] <natefinch> 17 stupid tests fail when you add more information to an error with errors.Annotatef. Fantastic.
[15:03] <TheMue> yeeeeeeehaw, it passes
[15:04] <perrito666> natefinch: isn't that what tests are supposed to do?
[15:05] <natefinch> perrito666: no, we should be using a type system so that we know the right type of error is returned, not that the string the error serializes to is exactly the same
[15:06] <natefinch> perrito666: the actual text of the error message doesn't really matter
[15:14] <sinzui> hi jam, dimitern, natefinch: can we say that bug 1258485 is fix committed in 1.23-beta4 now that leader elections are not behind a feature flag?
[15:14] <mup> Bug #1258485: support leader election for charms <juju-core:Triaged> <cassandra (Juju Charms Collection):Triaged> <postgresql (Juju Charms Collection):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1258485>
[15:14] <dimitern> sinzui, I think so, yeah
[15:14] <sinzui> yeah
[15:14] <sinzui> yay
[15:14] <sinzui> \o/
[15:22] <natefinch> gah, and now another test *is* checking types, but just printing out the string in the test failure method. Geez, people.
[15:25] <perrito666> man you really get angry with things badly done, you would die of a hearth attack in my country :p
[15:26] <natefinch> heh
[15:26] <wwitzel3> lol
[16:07] <katco> mgz: when we create an lxc container for cloning, we create a log file for the containers console output... would it be possible to pull that from the test machine?
[16:09] <alexisb> thank you wwitzel3
[16:16] <mgz> katco: I can see
[16:16] <mgz> does it generally get removed to destroy-environment?
[16:17] <katco> mgz: hm... yes probably
[16:18] <katco> mgz: actually, it probably doesn't even exist. that's probably the issue
[16:18] <dimitern> voidspace, dooferlad, TheMue, please have a look - http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/1399/ subnets api server-side facade
[16:19] <dimitern> I think I managed to get a good balance between test coverage and the amount of unavoidable boilerplate I need to stub out environ/provider/state methods
[16:22] <mgz> katco: I can add any files you ant to the list of local logs to copy before destroy-environment
[16:22] <mgz> but I'd expect *some* to already be present if it had worked at all, and there are none
[16:24] <mgz> older failures have the jenv, all-machines, machine-0 and cloud-init-output
[16:25] <katco> mgz: yeah on second thought i don't think it's necessary. it looks like if it exists, and we can read from it, the messages will be present in machine-#.log
[16:30] <natefinch> man I hate tests that rely on the order of items in a slice
[16:33] <wwitzel3> I think it is easier to keep track of what nate doesn't hate in tests
[16:34] <wwitzel3> much shorter list :)
[16:34] <jw4> wwitzel3: lol
[16:34] <natefinch> lol
[16:40] <lazyPower> o/ whats the trick to pass a port to juju add-machine when ssh is not on the standard port of 22?
[16:40] <lazyPower> juju add-machine ssh:user@host -P 2222 doesn't seem to be doing it
[16:41] <katco> mgz: ah wait, there are 2 log files: console.log & container.log... container.log would be useful to have i think. it contains stderr information from lxc-start
[16:42] <katco> mgz: and it doesn't appear that the logged information would be anywhere else
[16:43] <katco> mgz: actually, i'm wondering if this is desired, or is a dormant bug...
[16:44] <katco> https://github.com/juju/juju/blob/master/container/lxc/clonetemplate.go#L282-L283
[16:44] <katco> can i get another opinion on that? shouldn't the stderr of lxc-start go into the same place as console output? especially if we're only watching console output?
[16:49] <mgz> kat, hmm, yeah, that could get added
[16:52] <mgz> katco: /var/lib/juju/containers/juju-*-lxc-template/*.log ?
[16:53] <katco> mgz: looks right
[16:53] <katco> mgz: i think i might need that to troubleshoot further. command line arguments to lxc-start look sane. i think it's erroring out, yet remains running? need to see stderr
[16:53] <rogpeppe1> here's a change to allow deploying charms with authorization; any reviews appreciated: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/2048/files
[16:53] <katco> mgz: any chance we could add those log files and then rerun vivid?
[16:55] <mgz> katco: on it
[16:55] <mgz> just checking if need to change how elevation works
[16:55] <katco> mgz: ty sir. i'm going to take this opportunity to fix lunch
[17:02] <lazyPower> to anyone following alogn about re: add machine with non-standard ssh port - it appears we dont support this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/10774659/
[17:03] <lazyPower> unless i hear otherwise, i'll repost with a bug and bugger off :) thanks
[17:06] <lazyPower> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1441749
[17:06] <lazyPower> cheers
[17:06] <mup> Bug #1441749: Add-Machine does not support non-standard ssh port <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441749>
[17:12] <mup> Bug #1441749 was opened: Add-Machine does not support non-standard ssh port <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441749>
[17:18] <jam> alexisb: what time is team lead meeting tomorrow/tonight?
[17:19] <jam> I think I see it in the afternoon. good for me.
[17:20] <alexisb> jam, yep, back to the old time
[17:24] <mgz> katco: only got the jenv, nothing else
[17:24] <katco> mgz: that's odd...
[17:24] <mgz> maybe collecting at the wrong point or something
[17:25] <mgz> oh, I tyoped
[17:25] <mgz> >_<
[17:25] <katco> haha
[17:26] <mgz> katco: attempt #2
[17:26] <katco> :)
[17:26] <mgz> 20 mins
[17:27] <katco> np
[18:00] <voidspace> g'night all
[18:02] <niedbalski> abentley, ping
[18:02] <mgz> katco: finished, see #394
[18:03] <katco> mgz: ty
[18:07] <katco> mgz: i haven't quite figured this out yet... how do i get to 394? i don't see it on http://reports.vapour.ws/releases
[18:09] <mgz> katco: I'm manually triggering on jenkins, so am in there
[18:09] <katco> mgz: oh gotcha
[18:10] <mgz> you should have a dev login for the jenkins site?
[18:10] <mgz> I can also direct link you the files via data.vapour.ws
[18:10] <katco> mgz: i do not have a jenkins login
[18:10] <mgz> because it's not going through the standard job triggering process, reports won't pick up the new artifacts till it happens to run again for another reason
[18:12] <katco> mgz: just point me at the files if you don't mind... no idea where to find that on jenkins either
[18:19] <mgz> http://data.vapour.ws/juju-ci/products/version-2525/local-deploy-vivid-amd64/build-394/console.log.gz
[18:19] <mgz> for those following along at home
[18:19] <mgz> and container.log.gz same path, big file
[18:21] <katco> container.log is what we're interested in, and it's HUGE because it contains the same error repeated thousands of times :)
[18:38] <abentley> niedbalski: pong
[18:50] <katco> mgz: any thoughts on whether this is applicable? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/1296459
[18:50] <mup> Bug #1296459: Upgrade from 2.8.0-0ubuntu38 to 2.8.95~2430-0ubuntu2 breaks LXC containers <apparmor (Ubuntu):Fix Released by tyhicks> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1296459>
[18:51] <katco> meh.. just noticed the date on that
[18:52] <mgz> katco: not that directly, I'd expect
[18:52] <mgz> fragile apparmour profiles are always a possible though
[18:52] <katco> mgz: what version of apparmor is on that machine?
[18:52] <katco> mgz: this is the 1st interesting error in the log:
[18:52] <katco> lxc-start 1426806676.710 ERROR lxc_apparmor - lsm/apparmor.c:apparmor_process_label_set:183 - No such file or directory - failed to change apparmor profile to lxc-container-default
[18:53] <mgz> 2.9.1-0ubuntu9
[18:54] <mgz> no apparmor updates pending, there is an lxc though
[18:54] <katco> worth a try i suppose
[18:54] <katco> while i continue looking into this
[18:54] <mup> Bug #1441808 was opened: juju units attempt to connect to rsyslog tls on tcp port 6514 but machine 0 never installs required rsyslogd-gnutls package <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441808>
[18:54] <mup> Bug #1441811 was opened: juju-1.23beta3 breaks glance <-> mysql relation when glance is hosted in a container <oil> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441811>
[18:55] <mgz> dist-upgrading
[19:56] <katco> mgz: is that machine cycled often?
[19:57] <mup> Bug #1441826 was opened: deployer and quickstart are broken in 1.24-alpha1 <ci> <regression> <juju-ci-tools:Triaged> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441826>
[19:59] <mgz> katco: uptime says 6 days, cloudinit says the machine was created 15 mar
[19:59] <mgz> katco: I can restart now if desired
[19:59] <katco> mgz: it's a shot in the dark, but if you don't mind
[20:00] <katco> mgz: i've had issues with lxc where i had to cycle cgmanager
[20:00] <katco> mgz: and research shows that power-cycles have fixed various issues for others with these types of errors
[20:01] <katco> mgz: who is our resident app armor expert?
[20:01] <mgz> good question, maybe check in #ubuntu-sever ?
[20:02] <katco> mgz: freenode or internal?
[20:02] <mgz> freenode, I guess there's an internal equiv
[20:27] <katco> mgz: did you cycle that machine and trigger a new run
[20:27] <katco> ?
[20:27] <mgz> katco: yup
[20:27] <katco> mgz: awesome ty
[20:28] <mgz> looks much the same though...
[20:28] <katco> mgz: it was worth a try
[20:28] <katco> mgz: btw isn't it super late for you?
[20:28] <mgz> late-ish, yeah :)
[20:28] <perrito666> vmaas is a blessing, too bad the ammount of network magic I need to do to get it exported
[20:58] <mup> Bug #1441808 changed: juju units attempt to connect to rsyslog tls on tcp port 6514 but machine 0 never installs required rsyslogd-gnutls package <logging> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441808>
[21:15] <alexisb> team...
[21:15] <alexisb> I have this bug from a stakeholder:
[21:16] <alexisb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1287718
[21:16] <mup> Bug #1287718: jujud on machine 0 stops listening to port 17070/tcp WSS api <cts> <cts-cloud-review> <mongodb> <state-server> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1287718>
[21:16] <alexisb> it needs some love, if someone has cycles
[21:16] <alexisb> I will find "volunteers" if no one speaks up :)
[21:18] * jw4 whistles while working really hard
[21:21] <alexisb> :)
[21:45] <katco> thumper: ping
[21:55] <thumper> katco: hey
[21:55] <thumper> katco: I was just about to go and run an errand
[21:55] <thumper> katco: is this quick, or can we do it in abit?
[21:55] <katco> thumper: rq
[21:55] <thumper> shoto
[21:56] <thumper> or...
[21:56] <thumper> shoot
[21:56] <katco> thumper: i'm working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1441319
[21:56] <mup> Bug #1441319: failed to retrieve the template to clone: template container juju-trusty-lxc-template did not stop <ci> <lxc> <oil> <test-failure> <vivid> <juju-core:Triaged by cox-katherine-e> <juju-core 1.23:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441319>
[21:56] <katco> thumper: going to have to hand off to you so i can work with axw tonight on some storage stuff
[21:56] <thumper> yeah...
[21:56] <katco> thumper: it's well triaged, and we're engaged with hallyn in #canonical to further diagnose
[21:56] <katco> thumper: so hopefully by the time i hand it off you'll have an easy go
[21:57] <thumper> ack
[21:57] <katco> thumper: we can talk more when you have time... i should be on tonight
[23:02] <katco> axw: daily question since it's just us: can we push the stand-up back an hour?
[23:02] <axw> katco: no worries, may need to be a bit later still if that's okay, since my wife will be getting ready for work an hour from now
[23:03] <katco> axw: that's perfectly fine
[23:03] <katco> axw: i'll eat dinner and give my kiddo a bath and catch up with you in a bit :)
[23:03] <katco> axw: enjoy your family as well!
[23:03] <axw> cool, ttyl
[23:03] <katco> ttyl
[23:13] <thumper> katco: did you work it out? I think I know what the problem is
[23:13] <thumper> katco: from not looking at the bug nor the code...
[23:13] <thumper> so an educated guess
[23:15] <thumper> hmm... reading the bug, seems to be different
[23:18] <thumper> comment added
[23:25] <mup> Bug #1441899 was opened: jujud-machine-0 handles mongo errors poorly (and fails to start after a juju upgrade gone wrong) <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441899>
[23:25] <mup> Bug #1441904 was opened: juju upgrade-juju goes into an infinite loop if apt-get fails for any reason <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441904>
[23:47] <katco> thumper: o/
[23:47] <katco> thumper: so i think those errors were pulled from a vivid machine
[23:48] <thumper> katco: hangout?
[23:48] <katco> thumper: sure, if you don't mind me popping out for a few mins in the middle
[23:48] <thumper> katco: that's fine
[23:48] <katco> thumper: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/tanzanite-stand?authuser=0&hceid=Y2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbV9pYTY3ZTFhN2hqbTFlNnMzcjJsaWQ5bmhzNEBncm91cC5jYWxlbmRhci5nb29nbGUuY29t.q61hqsau8oh348d0dqmosuqilk
[23:55] <mup> Bug #1441913 was opened: juju upgrade-juju failed to configure mongodb replicasets <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441913>
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ubuntu-chat
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[21:56] <c0ne> hoi zämä, öpper da?
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.303801
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-website
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[20:52] <daker> PabloRubianes: i did send the email
[20:53] <PabloRubianes> daker: got it
[20:53] <PabloRubianes> thanks!
[20:54] <daker> PabloRubianes: yw
[20:54] <daker> PabloRubianes: now let's see what IS have to say
[20:55] <PabloRubianes> yes meanwhile I'll go throw the other bugs to see if I can close the others
[20:55] <PabloRubianes> I saw a few that have problems with the id to login
[20:55] <daker> PabloRubianes: yes :/
[20:56] <PabloRubianes> and there's a merge request to review
[20:56] <PabloRubianes> I comment on that but I think is a good addition
[20:59] <daker> PabloRubianes: the other issue i do have is that i can't merge my own merge request with having at least one approve :D
[20:59] <PabloRubianes> I can check them
[21:01] <PabloRubianes> i'm still at work but @ home I'll check that
[21:03] <daker> PabloRubianes: sure take you time
[21:03] <daker> your*
[21:05] <PabloRubianes> good
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-touch
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[00:11] <nhaines> Aww, devel-proposed on Flo installed via MultiROM Manager just reboots.
[00:32] <muka_> how can I press ctrl+X in terminal using nano?
[00:34] <nhaines> The newest Terminal app added support for this.
[00:39] <yacuken_off> hi all
[00:59] <yacuken_off> my modules installed to /lib/modules instead of /lib/modules/`uname -r`. and for now i can't do modprobe (look in /lib/modules/3.4.0-cyanogenmod-g67427e6/). insmod doesn't work too. how to fix this?
[01:11] <Elimin8er> 268 people< would figure there would be someone here to help.
[01:12] <nhaines> Elimin8er: I'm logged into IRC 24/7, and connect to my client on a virtual server from time to time. That's how most people use IRC.
[01:13] <nhaines> That way I can scroll back and catch up on important channels.
[01:13] <nhaines> But more importantly, it's 12:15am or 1:15am for most of the engineers working on Ubuntu.
[01:14] <Elimin8er> nhaines, Yes I know that.. but you would think someone would be around
[01:15] <nhaines> Why would one think that?
[01:15] <Elimin8er> Pard me, im American
[01:15] <nhaines> So am I.
[01:15] <nhaines> !patience
[01:16] <Elimin8er> Its ok, I havent even asked a question.. I wouldnt know how to ask what I need help withm
[01:16] <nhaines> IRC etiquette means that typically there's not a lot of "I don't know" repsonses.
[01:17] <nhaines> It doesn't mean that no one's around. It just means that no one's available with an answer.
[01:18] <Elimin8er> ill give it a try, I have built alot of CM roms for a few diffrent devices, No problem there.. But I have problems trying to port this ubuntu-touch to my LG G3 (d851).. I get sometning about cant find config specs for cm_d851, Which might be my first mistake.
[01:19] <Elimin8er> Does Ubuntu-Touch allow you to use cm sources?
[01:19] <nhaines> Not that I'm aware of. AOSP only.
[01:19] <Elimin8er> I keep hearing other people use cm as well
[01:20] <Elimin8er> there isnt really device spec for the d851
[01:20] <Elimin8er> asop even
[01:20] <Elimin8er> even the guide kept talking about going off of cm
[01:21] <Elimin8er> cm would make it simple to port.. AOSP would make it a little more harder.
[03:15] <bzoltan> dobey: The SDK provides a bit more than just a UI for the build tools. Code completion, syntax highlight, context sensitive help, API documentation, manifest and apparmor file creation, project conversion, device detection and so on. The Ubuntu SDK is a tool itself. The milage to acomplish several development task is much less with the SDK than with plain CLI tools.
[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[06:42] <robin-hero> morning
[06:42] <nhaines> dholbach: I got my Nexus 7 today, but it appears that MultiROM Manager + Ubuntu doesn't work so well. :)
[06:42] <nhaines> I'll try the dualboot app soon. Maybe when vivid looks more useful.
[06:43] * dholbach crosses fingers :)
[06:44] <robin-hero> I noticed there is an unfamiliar card for me on trello board: "Regression Testing: ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed Arale 157" Is Arale is a codename for an other device? For MX4? :)
[07:51] <robin-hero> How can I download a mail attachment from dekko? It is always show the content-hub. But I only want to download to the downloads folder.
[07:53] <brunch875> note to self: write an app which can "open" everything and store it wherever
[07:55] <robin-hero> brunch875: So I think I can't do this yet. Right?
[07:55] <DanChapman> robin-hero: does filemanager not come up as a destination when downloading the attachment?
[07:55] <brunch875> it doesn't
[07:55] <robin-hero> DanChapman: No, it's not on the app's list
[07:56] <ogra_> brunch875, heh, that would be an interesting challenge given that our security model doesnt allow apps to write outside of their cache dir in your home ...
[07:56] <ogra_> (filemanager excepted here ... )
[07:57] <brunch875> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
[07:57] <ogra_> haha
[07:57] <DanChapman> robin-hero: hmm that's a bug then. I'm not sure if that's a dekko or filemanager bug though. Need to check that as really filemanager should appear for any mimetype in my opinion
[07:58] <brunch875> should probably file a bug for downloading stuff like this
[07:58] <brunch875> it's not only dekko
[07:58] <brunch875> it happens with the web browser too
[08:01] <robin-hero> heh, I solved it. :) Downloaded with wget from terminal :)
[08:02] <brunch875> unfortunately this doesn't work with redirection mazes which are common in some webpages for downloads
[08:02] <brunch875> :<
[08:06] <DanChapman> robin-hero: :-D that works. or you could have looked in /tmp after dekko downloaded it and you would have found it
[08:15] <Guest77917> hello, how to display Notification (from app ) to the tap named Notifications in status bar?
[08:16] <Guest77917> the tab named Notifications in status bar
[08:20] <Guest77917> hello ?
[08:21] <brunch875> I'm sorry, I can't help :x
[08:21] <brunch875> I haven't started making apps myself
[08:22] <Guest77917> ^_^
[08:22] <brunch875> don't worry, devs will eventually read your question. They're just working hard and check this chat via polling :p
[08:26] <brunch875> Guest77917: did you check this? https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/
[08:28] <Guest77917> thanks very much!
[08:28] <brunch875> cheers man! Happy hacking
[08:55] <Se7> morningv:)
[08:56] <brunch875> Good morning Se7!
[08:56] <Se7> hey brunch875 <3
[08:56] <Se7> how are you?
[08:57] <brunch875> My back aches! I think I got ill
[08:57] <brunch875> hopefully I only slept in a bad position
[08:58] <Se7> or to much exercise in the bed :P
[08:59] <brunch875> Hah, now I undestand what they mean by "sleep tight"
[08:59] <Se7> lol
[09:02] <Se7> i was thinking that is it s a bit weird that you can answer messages without unlock the phone
[09:03] <brunch875> well, it's definitely more comfortable
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Draw a Picture of a Bird Day! :-D
[09:03] <brunch875> is it?
[09:03] <brunch875> is it, really?
[09:03] <ogra_> Se7, there is a setting to disable that
[09:04] <Se7> o.0 really
[09:04] <ogra_> in the lock settings
[09:04] * Se7 have a look
[09:05] <ogra_> you can disable the launcher and the notification list
[09:06] <brunch875> JamesTait: done and done http://imgur.com/5DXlcBl
[09:06] <Se7> nothifications and quick setting?
[09:07] <JamesTait> Very good, brunch875!
[09:08] <ogra_> Se7, right
[09:08] <Se7> tnx ogra_ :)
[09:09] <brunch875> I personally would remove my lock, but I need it to enable developer mode
[09:09] <ogra_> yeah, that will be fixed within the next months
[09:10] <brunch875> hoorray!
[09:10] * ogra_ just needs a bit of time to update the adbd sources, then i'll start working on key authentication ... that will make passwords useless
[09:11] <ogra_> the adb we ship is still quite old
[09:11] <brunch875> it's april, which means... 15.04!
[09:11] <brunch875> will phone also get updates like this?
[09:11] <ogra_> no
[09:12] <ogra_> he phone gets monthly updates ... only very remotely boound to the distro cycle
[09:12] <brunch875> interesting...
[09:13] <Se7> but monthly it s too long no?
[09:13] <Se7> for the phone i mean
[09:13] <ogra_> we will re-base the phone release on 15.04 soon, but then development and fixing goes on on top of that
[09:13] <robin-hero> I really looking forward for the next week's update, I don't want to charge my phone everyday :D
[09:13] <Se7> right ogra_
[09:13] <brunch875> battery life will improve?
[09:14] <robin-hero> brunch875: yes
[09:14] <ogra_> i'm at 63% after 3 days here
[09:14] <robin-hero> much better
[09:14] <brunch875> I'm surprised... my old phone lived half a day
[09:14] <brunch875> 3 days 63%?
[09:14] <Se7> not every day robin-hero but you can solve a bug in a day maybe
[09:14] <brunch875> you're kidding!
[09:15] <ogra_> nope :)
[09:15] <Se7> and i think it s and i think it s better to give the fix a sson you got it
[09:15] <ogra_> Se7, with 50 not found bugs ?
[09:16] <ogra_> it needs serious testing before we release it to the masses
[09:16] <robin-hero> ogra_: 3 days 63% with normal use?
[09:16] <ogra_> no, with not much use
[09:16] <Se7> yes ogra_ i agree
[09:17] <ogra_> one/two calls a day, a few times checking and posting on G+ ...
[09:17] <Se7> for that i am annoying you :P
[09:17] <robin-hero> 2 days with normal use and 3-4 days with not much use is enough for me :)
[09:18] <ogra_> if you actually use it i guess you get along with 2-3 days ... if you never wake it up i'd say you get ~8 days
[09:18] <Se7> for me 2 days using it a lot when i m working
[09:18] <ogra_> http://i.imgur.com/UuOqvqW.png
[09:18] <ogra_> proof ^^^
[09:19] <robin-hero> ogra_: That sounds very cool, much better than my similiar Android phone. :)
[09:19] <ogra_> (just dropped by 1% when i took the screenshot)
[09:19] <Se7> with bluethoot and gps on as well
[09:19] <nhaines> On my Nexus 5, you boot up Ubuntu, on lock the phone, and then throw it as high up in the air as hard as you can.
[09:19] <ogra_> yeah, i always use the defaults
[09:19] <nhaines> Then the battery and gravity can have a race.
[09:20] <robin-hero> nhaines: :D
[09:29] <James> raceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/click", line 86, in sys.exit(main()) File "/usr/bin/click", line 82, in main return mod.run(args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/commands/chroot.py", line 266, in run return args.func(parser, args) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/commands/chroot.py", line 68, in create return chroot.create(args.keep_broken_chroot) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/c
[09:30] <mcphail> I'm getting good battery life on stock rtm on the bq phone (if the battery stats are accurate). I'm rarely getting below 70% on 1 day's use. I'm charging overnight out of habit rather than necessity. With such low battery usage, I'm wondering whether the restriction on background apps could be eased... :)
[09:30] <Guest3974> in create self._debootstrap(components, mount, archive) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/click/chroot.py", line 451, in _debootstrap archive File "/usr/lib/python3.4/subprocess.py", line 561, in check_call raise CalledProcessError(retcode, cmd) subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['debootstrap', '--arch', 'amd64',
[09:30] <Guest3974> , '--variant=buildd', '--components=main,restricted,universe,multiverse', 'vivid', '/var/lib/schroot/chroots/click-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-armhf', 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu']' returned non-zero exit status 2
[09:31] <Guest3974> hello，error appear when create click target for armhf
[09:32] <nhaines> mcphail: there's a way for background apps to get things done if they need to. :)
[09:34] <mcphail> nhaines: an official way?
[09:37] <Guest3974> and no error appear when create desktop and i386
[09:38] <nhaines> mcphail: I'm pretty certain.
[09:39] <Guest3974> ???
[09:39] <mcphail> nhaines: is this a new thing? Up until now, apps have been stopped or killed when backgrounded
[09:41] <mcphail> What is the best way to install debug symbols for Qt and libc on the device without breaking OTA updates?
[09:43] <mcphail> or is there some way to load the debug symbols into the remote debugger and not mess with the device at all?
[09:44] <dholbach> ogra_, do you know what could cause http://paste.ubuntu.com/10771459/?
[09:45] <ogra_> dholbach, is the screen unlocked ?
[09:46] <ogra_> (and did you make sure it stays unlocked while this is running)
[09:46] <dholbach> ogra_, yes it is unlocked
[09:46] <ogra_> weird
[09:47] <ogra_> bad cable ?
[09:47] <dholbach> I can connect using 'phablet-shell'
[09:47] <dholbach> and it's working fine there
[09:47] <nhaines> I blame the user.
[09:47] <ogra_> heh
[09:48] <ogra_> dholbach, well, worst case flash with the device in recovery ... that error output is a bit sparse
[09:49] <dholbach> right, ok - I'll try that next then
[09:49] <dholbach> thanks!
[09:49] <popey> dholbach: wasn't me :)
[09:49] <ogra_> liar !
[09:49] <popey> but I'll take the credit
[09:49] <yacuken_off> hi all. how to remount system partition as rw?
[09:50] <popey> sudo mount -o remount,rw /
[09:51] <popey> (if you must)
[09:51] <ogra_> mandel, do you see the ubuntu-phone ML ?
[09:52] <ogra_> seems a user cant get his SD recognized
[09:53] <yacuken_off> popey: thanks. but i have this mount: cannot remount /dev/loop1 read-write, is write-protected
[09:53] <dholbach> ogra_, I deleted .cache/ubuntuimages/ and retried the flashing - now it worked
[09:53] <dholbach> (for whatever reason)
[09:53] <ogra_> dholbach, awesome
[09:54] <yacuken_off> kernel modules not loading and depmod not work (read-only file system)
[09:54] <ogra_> sergiusens, ^^^ didnt we change the error messages for u-d-f ? seems now it just silently dies if /cache is full
[09:55] <popey> yacuken_off: is this on ubuntu phone?
[09:55] <ogra_> yacuken_off, thats the message you get for exactly the command popey gave you ?
[09:55] <ogra_> / should be on loop0 iirc
[09:58] <mandel> ogra_, yes, I do but at the end of the day
[09:58] <mandel> ogra_, let me search for it
[09:58] <yacuken_off> popey: 1+1. i build ut and try load wlan module
[09:59] <yacuken_off> ogra_: / is rw after popey command. remount without issues.
[10:00] <yacuken_off> but kernel modules in /lib/modules -> /system/lib/modules. but /system is ro and write-protected
[10:00] <ogra_> right, and has no space even if you make it writable
[10:00] <ogra_> are you doin a port ?
[10:01] <spazzymoto> yacuken_off, im also working on 1+1 port. have you seen this thread https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/wip-ubuntu-touch-for-oneplus-one.266170/page-43
[10:01] <ogra_> *doing
[10:01] <ogra_> oh, i didnt get the 1+1 reference :P
[10:02] <sil2100> pitti: hey! Are the langpack updates happening now?
[10:02] <ogra_> did you guys consider forming a team ? i see three people working on the same device now
[10:02] <spazzymoto> orga_, thanks for all your help :) finally got that dam firmware partition to mount. Now for the slew of other error messages to deal with lol
[10:02] <ogra_> haha
[10:03] <ogra_> congrats at least :)
[10:03] <spazzymoto> im working off mariogrip's work. havent seen him in awhile tho :(
[10:03] <ogra_> ah, cool
[10:04] <ogra_> i saw him join the channel recently, but staying quiet
[10:07] <yacuken_off> spazzymoto: hi. it's good)
[10:09] <yacuken_off> spazzymoto: do you have wlan work?
[10:10] <spazzymoto> yacuken_off, not yet :(. mariogrip created another channel for 1+1 if u want to chat there? ##UbuntuTouchForOPO
[10:13] <pitti> sil2100: I tried to re-upload them immediately, but they still went into a black hole; apparently launchpad has some internal gpg key cache
[10:13] <yacuken> spazzymoto: try build wlan as module. it work for my sailfish port and may be we can load this module in ut? https://github.com/yacuken/android_kernel_oneplus_msm8974/commit/c811e42f4f8c2f6a610c24a3d0b3766d0e9ee22d
[10:13] <pitti> sil2100: I'll check tomorrow's uploads, and if they still get eaten I'll take this up with Colin/William again
[10:15] <spazzymoto> yacuken, cool thanks ill try that this evening after work
[10:16] <yacuken> spazzymoto: me too =)
[10:16] <sil2100> pitti: ok, thanks :)
[10:44] <ANJ7> hey can I install ubuntu on my android tablet?
[10:44] <ANJ7> ubuntu-touch*
[10:44] <popey> !devices | ANJ7
[10:45] <popey> depends which device
[10:45] <ANJ7> http://img6a.flixcart.com/image/tablet/w/z/p/hcl-u1-400x400-imad8ty9yheahphp.jpeg
[10:45] <ANJ7> this one ^^
[10:47] <ogra_> well, if it isnt on the device page you will need the sourcecode for the installed android and can do a port ... this is a pretty advanced thing though
[10:47] <ANJ7> oh, there are only 3 devices on the page btw
[10:51] <popey> ANJ7: scroll down
[10:52] <ANJ7> oh, got it. But my tab isn't mentioned there
[10:52] <popey> there's your answer
[10:57] <ANJ7> popey, do you use ubuntu-touch?
[11:01] <cr|imp> i dont but i would love to
[11:03] <popey> ANJ7: yes
[11:05] <ANJ7> popey: what device?
[11:05] <ANJ7> I would like to buy a cheap one with pre-installed ubuntu on it
[11:05] <popey> ANJ7: a few
[11:06] <popey> I have two bq phones and a nexus 7
[11:13] <sturmflut-work> Hm, if you put a Nexus 4 on german eBay and offer to ship it with Ubuntu you seem to get higher bids than with Android alone
[11:15] <robin-hero> Am I right If I'm say there is no really turn-by-turn navigation app for UT yet?
[11:15] <sturmflut-work> robin-hero: Yes
[11:16] <robin-hero> sturmflut-work: Thanks, I hope it changes soon.
[11:18] <sturmflut-work> robin-hero: A port of OsmAnd would be nice, but the app is so Android-specific it will probably not be possible
[11:19] <robin-hero> I personally prefer Waze, but I'd statistied any navigation app now :D
[11:21] <davmor2> robin-hero: on the official device set here maps to walk rather than drive that gives you the option to access their beta turn by turn
[11:21] <ogra_> popey, Intenso MicroSDXC 64GB Class10
[11:24] <robin-hero> davmor2: thanks, I'll try it sometime
[11:25] <ogra_> popey, sorry, havent found an english page (and amazon doesnt seem to have it) http://www.mediamarkt.de/mcs/product/INTENSO-Micro-SDXC-Card-64-GB-Class-10,48353,464136,1143673.html?langId=-3&uympq=vpqr&gclid=COvMpa_M5sQCFafItAodzjgAuw
[11:26] <sturmflut-work> robin-hero: Well, Waze is not the friendliest company. I prefer OpenStreetMap-based offline data since I contributed a lot to OpenStreetMap and I'm often traveling without Internet access. Also I don't like to be tracked.
[11:27] <ogra_> popey, ah, here http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intenso-Micro-Class-Speicherkarte-SD-Adapter/dp/B00FMB9A30
[11:34] <popey> thanks ogra_
[11:35] * popey adds to wishlist
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> nhaines: did you put devel-proposed on your n7?
[11:43] <dadexix86> I uninstalled "Remainders", but yesterday showed up in an update. Does someone know why? Should I report the problem? Against which package exactly?
[11:44] <lotuspsychje> dadexix86: maybe its because its a default app of ubuntu touch, it comes back?
[11:44] <ogra_> it shouldnt come back
[11:44] <dadexix86> lotuspsychje, no, it does not shows up in the apps now :)
[11:45] <Mirv> renatu: hi! vivid silo 004 would have the bug #1437300 fix, would you have time to execute the test plan / do your own manual testing and then report on which device + image the silo was tested? I've been running the autopilot tests and it seems to be ok clock + address book but I'm for some reason unable to have the dialer app autopilot tests running for unknown reason (probably unrelated to the silo)
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> dadexix86: wich image have you installed?
[11:45] <dadexix86> lotuspsychje, r20
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> dadexix86: i mean wich channel on wich device
[11:46] <dadexix86> on the bq, the stable (I guess it is the stable, since I did not switch to other branches)
[11:47] <lotuspsychje> ok
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> dadexix86: maybe file a bug, if its not already an existing one
[11:48] <dadexix86> lotuspsychje, against which package? ofono?
[11:48] <ogra_> ofono is for telephony stuff ... :)
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> not sure mate sorry
[11:49] <ogra_> as long as you can make calls, send SMS and get 3G data it is surely not ofono :)
[11:49] <ogra_> dadexix86, where did you see that update, in system-settings ?
[11:50] <dadexix86> ogra_, yes, the standard updates from there
[11:50] <ogra_> so start at system-settings ... (most likely not the fault of the UI app indeed, but a good entry point
[11:50] <ogra_> )
[11:51] <dadexix86> ogra_, what about click update manager? can that be the program?
[11:51] <Mirv> Elleo: thanks for trying to schedule the bug to the next sprint!
[11:52] <ogra_> dadexix86, not sure where you see that
[11:52] <dadexix86> ogra_, it is already signaled bug #1404030
[11:54] <ogra_> hmm, we dont have that package on the phone anymore
[11:56] <Elleo> Mirv: no worries :)
[11:56] <dadexix86> ogra_, then we should remove it from the avengers list :)
[11:58] <ogra_> dadexix86, i added the right task to get it onto pmcgowan's radar
[11:59] <popey> dandrader: done.
[11:59] <popey> er, dadexix86 done
[11:59] <dadexix86> popey, thanks :)
[11:59] <ogra_> popey, i assume you dont have any idea either where that was merged into ?
[11:59] <popey> system settings innit?
[12:00] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+filebug
[12:00] <ogra_> ah, there is no backend tool anymore ?
[12:00] <popey> seb128: might know
[12:02] <dadexix86> I wrote it into system settings #1441594
[12:03] <dadexix86> bug #1441594
[12:08] <ogra_> dadexix86, hmm, would habe been better to just add a system image task to the other bug
[12:08] <ogra_> err system-settings
[12:09] <ogra_> (especially since you already commented there)
[12:13] <dadexix86> ogra_, I am definitely ignorant about it. I do not know what a "task" is :) But I thought that since a package is no longer present there (and probably no more maintained) it would have been better to report it to a "current" package.
[12:14] <ogra_> well, i added a task for the product team to the old bug
[12:14] <ogra_> so they have it on the radar and can also find the right package
[12:14] <ogra_> (as i told you above)
[12:17] <dadexix86> ogra_, now I understand, thank you :) should I mark the second as a duplicate of the first?
[12:17] <ogra_> i'll care for it after talking to pmcgowan once he is up
[12:17] <dadexix86> ok thanks :)
[12:21] <popey> thanks for reporting it dadexix86
[12:30] <pmcgowan> ogra_, hey
[12:34] <ogra_> pmcgowan, yo
[12:34] <pmcgowan> everything good?
[12:34] <ogra_> pmcgowan, see bug 1404030 ... not sure where that should go nowadays
[12:34] <ogra_> (the package seems to have vanished)
[12:35] <seb128> ogra_, popey: what was the question?
[12:35] <pmcgowan> thats odd. ok will check later
[12:35] <ogra_> seb128, click-update-manager ... is that replaced by system-settings or is that another component
[12:36] <seb128> ogra_, settings is only an UI, what was c-u-m doing?
[12:36] <seb128> I guess the backend is ubuntu-download-manager
[12:36] <ogra_> seemingly updating the click packages :)
[12:36] <ogra_> yeah
[12:37] <ogra_> ah, poor mandel then ... this day is full of bugs for him
[12:38] <janimo> stgraber, ogra_ is the hash in the names of touch tarballs related to that of the tarball contents?
[12:39] <ogra_> janimo, there is a hash ?
[12:40] <ogra_> i think thats only genrated when the file gets imported into the pool directory
[12:41] <janimo> ogra_, well it looks like a sha256sum but it may be just a UUID generated from someting else
[12:41] <renatu> Mirv, I will do, thanks
[12:41] <janimo> ogra_, having the name be the hash of the file contents would have been nice
[12:41] <ogra_> janimo, well, thats stgraber land ... not sure, it might actually be
[12:42] <seb128> ogra_, popey, dadexix86, the issue you were discussing is bug #1314382
[12:42] <Elimin8er> Could anyone answer this, Does Ubuntu-Touch build with CM sources or does it have to be only AOSP ? I seen alot of CM areas in the repo manifest, thats why im asking.. and it would be easier to port if it did.
[12:43] * ogra_ hugs seb128
[12:43] <ogra_> thanks !!
[12:43] <popey> \o/
[12:43] * seb128 hugs ogra_ back
[12:43] <seb128> we need somebody to work on the updates code
[12:43] <seb128> quite some issues/bugs in those settings
[12:43] <dadexix86> seb128, thanks! :)
[12:44] <dadexix86> seb128, but in my case it does not come back in the Apps scope :)
[12:45] <seb128> dadexix86, I guess part of the issue got resolved on the click scope side
[12:45] <seb128> dobey might know some details
[12:51] <sturmflut-work> Elimin8er: Sorry, the lower levels are not my area of expertise :/
[12:52] <Elimin8er> sturmflut-work, its ok.. I was only wondering.. I have had no luck in porting
[12:54] <sturmflut-work> Elimin8er: The Porting guide states "Note that this guide focuses on porting to devices present in the AOSP tree and another version will focus on CyanogenMod based ports", so that would mean that you can do a port based on AOSP alone, doesn't it?
[12:54] <jhodapp> mzanetti, ping
[12:55] <mzanetti> jhodapp, hey ya
[12:55] <Elimin8er> sturmflut-work, the manifest has alot of CM downloads.. thats why I asked. or else I wouldnt have asked
[12:55] <Elimin8er> and I seen alot of prting gues that say dif things
[12:55] <Elimin8er> guides even
[12:55] <jhodapp> mzanetti, hey man, do you know if your game that you made that uses the SoundEffect QML component still works well on the latest images?
[12:56] <mzanetti> jhodapp, is this about that pop-that-wrap game bug?
[12:56] <ogra_> Elimin8er, our recovery is still based on CM ... the whole rest is AOSP
[12:57] <jhodapp> mzanetti, not sure what the name of the game is, but you filed the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/media-hub/+bug/1373088
[12:57] <jhodapp> mzanetti, there is another bug report of someone trying to use SoundEffect but they don't always get sound output
[12:57] <Elimin8er> thank you..
[12:57] <mzanetti> jhodapp, yeah, that's the one I meant (the latter one)
[12:58] <mzanetti> jhodapp, in regard to the first one, I think that's still the case, but my game doesn't use Audio that much any more...
[12:58] <mzanetti> jhodapp, basically I only start the Audio element during transitions of the screen where it is not noticeable
[12:58] <ogra_> audio on phones is overrated anyway ... people should be happy they get pretty pictures :P
[12:59] <jhodapp> mzanetti, ok, but you always get audio in your game?
[12:59] <popey> ogra_: found a cheaper one... http://www.memorybits.co.uk/shop/microsd/sandisk-64gb-ultra-microsdxc-plus-sd-adapter-sdsdquan064gg4a/28252
[13:00] <mzanetti> jhodapp, I would say yes, but in my game there is a lot of stuff happening, can't tell if some of the audioeffects are missing
[13:00] <ogra_> popey, then try it ;)
[13:00] <popey> (thats the brand of 32GB I currently use)
[13:00] <popey> I will! :D
[13:00] <ogra_> the next one i spend money for will be 128G
[13:00] <jhodapp> mzanetti, ok great, just trying to collect some info about it...thanks!
[13:00] <mzanetti> jhodapp, I can reproduce that bug with the linked branch if I touch those bubbles quickly
[13:01] <jhodapp> mzanetti, to where you don't get audio every time?
[13:02] <mzanetti> yes
[13:02] <jhodapp> mzanetti, ok that's great to know
[13:02] <mzanetti> jhodapp, works for the first 10 times, then audioeffect stops playing for like 5 bubbles
[13:02] <mzanetti> that's when it prints that pulseaudio stream error
[13:02] <jhodapp> mzanetti, this is either a qtmultimedia bug or a pulse audio bug then
[13:02] <mzanetti> and then it recovers for a few bubbles
[13:03] <jhodapp> yeah very interesting, seems a pulse issue
[13:04] <jhodapp> mzanetti, thanks for the info
[13:04] <mzanetti> jhodapp, np
[13:04] <sturmflut-work> Wellark: ping
[13:05] <popey> ogra_: yeah, they're still quite spendy... http://www.memorybits.co.uk/shop/search/sandisk-ultra-128gb-microsdxc-uhsi-memory-card-with-sd-adapter/27444
[13:10] <mcphail> Why does the bq phone specify "max 32GB" for SD cards? Is it simply because they don't expect to be able to reformat from exfat?
[13:19] <popey> mcphail: they probably didn't test larger
[13:21] <dobey> seb128, dadexix86: i actually haven't encountered that issue in quite some time. i think there was some fix in click itself that resolved it. there's nothing special in the scope to deal with that situation
[13:34] <sturmflut-work> Does anybody have an idea why my Aquaris E4.5 doesn't automatically update from r16 to r20?
[13:35] <ogra_> even if you go to system-settings -> updates ?
[13:36] <sturmflut-work> ogra_: Jep, tried that. It updates individual apps, but it never offers a more recent image.
[13:37] <sturmflut-work> ogra_: Is there a logfile for the updater?
[13:37] <nerochiaro> Mirv: do you know if the standard for naming packages for QML plugin libraries is documented anywhere ?
[13:37] <mandel> ogra_, what is going on today?? agh
[13:38] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, /var/log/system-image/ has it (needs sudo to read it)
[13:38] <mandel> ogra_, is bug number 1404030, right?
[13:38] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, also check if there is a system-image process in your processlist ... that might be blocking
[13:38] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: is this an issue with having previously mounted / rw?
[13:39] <mandel> I need to re-write that thing from the ground up and hunt down who wrote it and have a long chat with him
[13:39] <ogra_> mandel, we have three bogs now ... 1314382 1404030 and 1441594
[13:39] <ogra_> need to merge them into one
[13:41] <sturmflut-work> mcphail: I don't think so. AFAIR the device never offered to update the image since the moment I opened the packaging.
[13:41] <mandel> ogra_, I must have been a horrible person in the past :-/
[13:41] <ogra_> lol
[13:42] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: mine definitely offered me the update on first boot
[13:42] <sturmflut-work> mcphail: Yeah, I read a lot of reports on G+ about the device immediately updating to r20 after people got it
[13:42] <leouss4dev> hey anyone know how to add qrc file to "QML app with C++ plugin (cmake)" project ?
[13:43] <ogra_> well, we had such cases in the past, where an old system-image process was dangling around ... but that was supposed to be fixed ... and i havent heard about such issues in a long time
[13:43] <ogra_> definitely not since the phone is out
[13:43] <sturmflut-work> mcphail, ogra_: I'll hunt it down, hopefully the problem doesn't fix itself before I find the reason
[13:44] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, in any case file a bug against system-image
[13:45] <leouss4dev> hey anyone know how to add qrc file to "QML app with C++ plugin (cmake)" project ?
[13:46] <sturmflut-work> leouss4dev: You may want to ask that question in #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:46] <leouss4dev> thanks
[13:46] <sturmflut-work> leouss4dev: CMake has Qt integration, there is probably some command for this special purpose
[13:47] <leouss4dev> yeah but I can't find it :/
[13:52] <sturmflut-work> ogra_, mcphail: Interesting, the OTA update files were downloaded to /android/cache/recovery/ the first time the device connected to a WiFi. As expected. But after that I see python errors in the log file. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10773162/
[13:55] <nerochiaro> bfiller: florian things that we need to host qt-halide in a separate ppa from the main phablet-team one. is it possible to set up a new one under phablet-team ?
[13:55] <bfiller> nerochiaro: why?
[13:55] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, looks like a network error...
[13:56] <nerochiaro> bfiller: he thinks that our apps PPA is not the right place since people interested in apps would be unlikely to be interested in the qt-halide library
[13:56] <nerochiaro> bfiller: and vice versa, people only wanting to use the library won't care about the apps
[13:57] <bfiller> nerochiaro: there are no apps in it, it's basically for testing so it's fine
[13:57] <bfiller> nerochiaro: it's just temporary anyway, not worth setting up another ppa
[13:57] <bfiller> nerochiaro: I'm talking about this ppa https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[13:58] <nerochiaro> bfiller: oh, i was using https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa . i will move to that one
[13:58] <Mirv> nerochiaro: at least in bug #1342031 which tries to get people to fix the naming, and the linked Debian message in there
[13:59] <bfiller> nerochiaro: that is same thing
[13:59] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: ogra: looks as if it has asked for the "checking lock" twice without releasing: deadlock???
[14:00] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: line 87 and 97
[14:00] <nerochiaro> bfiller: ok, got confused. then let's leave it there since as you say it is only temporary anyway
[14:01] <sturmflut-work> mcphail: What's the checking lock? A file?
[14:02] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: I would guess so. Could be anything which prevents 2 processes trying to access the same resource concurrently
[14:02] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, mcphail, barry is the guy you want to talk to about this
[14:02] <jgdx> Elleo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1415023 <- maybe I was a bit too eager to affect ukeyboard. What do you think?
[14:02] <ogra_> ...but i think he is at a python conference this week ...
[14:03] <jgdx> Elleo, zsombi suspects it can affect normal forms as well.
[14:03] <Elleo> jgdx: will take a look
[14:03] <jgdx> Elleo, thank you
[14:04] <Elleo> jgdx: the keyboard disappearing suggests that the button is taking focus correctly, so not sure why it wouldn't then also run its pressed handler
[14:05] <zsombi> Elleo: that's a good question, though it may be something else grabbing the focus...
[14:05] <jgdx> Elleo, right. If I create a proxy MouseArea, it works as expected.
[14:05] <zsombi> Elleo: Dialogs have also an InverseMouseArea, however that should be inactive on Dialogs.... or not?
[14:05] <sturmflut-work> mcphail: Damned! I restarted the Update GUI about ten times, now the last line in the log file is "released checking lock from _download()" and the update to r20 shows up in the GUI :/
[14:06] <ogra_> sturmflut-work, well, file a bug with your log, that should be enough for a start
[14:06] <Elleo> zsombi: not sure, I'm not massively familiar with dialogs
[14:06] <sturmflut-work> ogra_: Will do
[14:07] <Elleo> jgdx, zsombi: does the dialog anchor to the keyboard at all? perhaps its pushing the inverse mouse area up in a way that covers the button or something?
[14:07] <Elleo> that's complete guess work though, wouldn't have thought that should happen
[14:09] <zsombi> Elleo: the Dialog uses the OrientationHelper which only calculates the height, however I did not see any anchoring there
[14:10] <jgdx> Elleo, For the test case in the bug, there's no anchoring.
[14:11] <Elleo> jgdx: I'll have a play with your test app and see if I can get a better feel for what's happening
[14:12] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: yes - file a bug. Sounds as if it is a wrinkle ehich needs ironed out
[14:12] <stgraber> janimo: yeah, it kinda is. It's not an hash of the file itself but it's a combined hash of all the files which were used to make the tarball. That's how we detect if something already got imported
[14:12] <jgdx> Elleo, thank you :)
[14:28] <Wellark> sturmflut-work: pong
[14:28] <Wellark> (in a meeting, but shoot!)
[14:29] <spazzymoto> ogra_, whats the best way to include files during the install? ie /etc/init/bluetooth-touch-bacon and /usr/share/bluetooth/bacon
[14:33] <sturmflut-work> Wellark: Hey! Is there a roadmap for the connectivity-api? I filed a couple of bugs against it some months ago because some of my app ideas need more advanced API calls.
[14:37] <Elleo> jgdx, zsombi: okay, what seems to happen is that the button is *pressed* but it's not *clicked*, which I suspect happens because the button moves (due to the keyboard being dismissed), so the touch release event is no longer happening on the button's mousearea
[14:38] <zsombi> CRAP!
[14:38] <Elleo> jgdx, zsombi: if you add a little debugging to AbstractButton.qml to print something onPressed you can see this happening (whereas onClicked doesn't fire)
[14:38] <zsombi> Elleo: nice finding, dude!!!
[14:38] <Elleo> zsombi: thanks :)
[14:38] <zsombi> and that's bad
[14:40] <zsombi> Elleo: I don't think we can really do much about that...
[14:41] <Elleo> zsombi: yeah, my only idea would be to have "activeFocusOnPress: false" and take focus manually as part of the onClicked and onPressAndHold handlers, but that wouldn't be backward compatible for apps deliberately disabling activeFocusOnPress themselves (there'd have to be some other property to let them do that)
[14:41] <zsombi> Elleo: unless we introduce the focus grabbing on clicked
[14:42] <ogra_> spazzymoto, we dont really have a mechanism for that, if a file doesnt exist already in the rootfs we dont add it ... the mechanism only bind-mounts a file from the container on top of an existing file
[14:43] <zsombi> Elleo: the problem with clicked is that it requires event filtering... otherwise if we do not consume the pressed event, we won't get the released anymore...
[14:43] <zsombi> Elleo: and filtering is damn expensive
[14:44] <spazzymoto> ogra_, ok cool thanks
[14:45] <jgdx> Elleo, nice
[14:45] <Elleo> zsombi: yeah, can't think of any other solutions off the top of my head I'm afraid
[14:45] <ogra_> spazzymoto, a hack could be that you ship something in /system/ubuntu/etc/init that uses an existing filename ... i.e. i think we have some mako bluetooth upstart job that you could abuse on the 1+1
[14:46] <Elleo> jgdx: interestingly if you tap really quickly (so the release happens before much hiding has happened) you can get it to trigger ;)
[14:46] <ogra_> spazzymoto, for the extra dir in /usr/share i have no idea though
[14:46] <Elleo> jgdx: for your specific bug you could just not have the button take focus
[14:47] <Elleo> jgdx: since you'll be presumably dismissing the dialog when its pressed anyway (which'll hide the keyboard)
[14:47] <spazzymoto> orga_, thanks ill take a look. i think i can get around the usr/share if i can hack the /etc/init file :)
[14:47] <Elleo> jgdx: by setting "activeFocusOnPress: false" on that button
[14:48] <ogra_> spazzymoto, worst case just overwrite the bluetooth.conf completely, keep the old stuff in there aand add what you need additionally
[14:48] <zsombi> Elleo: jgdx: but then make sure you remove teh OSK when closing teh dialog
[14:48] <ogra_> either way is equally hackish :)
[14:48] <Elleo> zsombi: presumably closing the dialog will result in focus changing to something other than the text field (which no longer exists), so should close the OSK automatically
[14:49] <zsombi> Elleo: ah, yeah, whatever was focus before the Dialog was open will be restored
[14:49] <zsombi> Elleo: so if it was an input, it will stay :)
[14:49] <Elleo> true
[14:49] <Elleo> but then if it was input it'd also reappear if you'd just hidden it in the dialog
[14:49] <zsombi> yup
[14:50] <Elleo> jgdx: the only other thing to be aware of is if the field accepts text completion you have to manually call Qt.inputMethod.commit() if you're not taking focus, but I suspect that doesn't apply to the pin field? (I'm guessing it's just a numbers field)
[14:52] <jgdx> Elleo, right, we disable completion in most inputs where this is a problem.
[14:52] <mcphail> What is the best way to install debug symbols for Qt and libc on the device without breaking OTA updates?
[14:52] <Elleo> jgdx: yeah, then just setting "activeFocusOnPress: false" should solve everything for you
[14:53] <jgdx> Elleo, so I can't make a press synonymous with a click for the affected buttons?
[14:55] <Elleo> jgdx: I don't think abstractbuttons expose press events
[14:55] <Elleo> jgdx: unless you filled it with your own mouse area
[14:56] <Elleo> jgdx: but I think just not taking focus would be a better option, otherwise you're also having to duplicate the haptic and sound effect stuff in your custom onPress handler, and it won't behave quite like other buttons on the system (since it'll trigger when they press instead of when they release like all other buttons)
[14:57] <jgdx> Elleo, only thing I'm worried about is the side effects of text fields not losing focus, but we can deal with that on a per case basis. There's only a few places where in USS where this is a problem.
[14:58] <jgdx> Elleo, so thank you so much. Awesome detective work.
[14:58] <Elleo> jgdx: you could take focus yourself in your onClicked handler
[14:58] <Elleo> jgdx: no problem :)
[14:59] <ogra_> .oO ( do we need to call him sherlock now ? )
[14:59] <Elleo> heh
[15:01] <jgdx> Elleo, yeah you need a drug habit and an assistant
[15:02] <Elleo> and a violin
[15:07] <jgdx> zsombi, Elleo: maybe there should be a mention of this in the docs?
[15:07] <jgdx> just a notice on how a clicked event is produced
[15:08] <zsombi> jgdx: hmm... not sure... this dialog content "pushup" is kinda workaround yet, till we get a proper implementation on OSK content shifting...
[15:08] <zsombi> jgdx: the clicked event is produced same way as any MouseArea clicked event is, so we did not bother on that :)
[15:09] <Elleo> would be nice to have a note of it somewhere though, even if only temporarily just so it doesn't bite someone else without any clues as to why it might be happening
[15:10] <jgdx> zsombi, okay :)
[15:10] <zsombi> Elleo: hmm...
[15:11] <jgdx> Elleo, there's the bug.. I can rename it "have to press button twice in dialog" or something
[15:11] <Elleo> jgdx: yeah, that might do; hopefully a bit of googling would turn it up
[15:11] <jgdx> right
[15:11] <zsombi> Elleo: on the OSK content pushing topic, I was planning to prototype sthing on StyledItemBase, which would look for the first flickable ancestor and push that to the OSK rect height so the component gets visible when OSK opens
[15:12] <zsombi> Elleo: that seems to cover prety good the use cases we have
[15:12] <Elleo> zsombi: cool, let me know when you have something and I'll be happy to give it some extra testing from my side :)
[15:13] <zsombi> Elleo: I can do a small proto in QML StyledItem, but the final act will anyway be in C++ side, to be fast enough.
[15:13] <Elleo> ah right
[15:14] <zsombi> Elleo: a prereq of the feature to work would be to have a Flickable holding the components, otherwise we won't know what to push upwards...
[15:14] <Elleo> yeah
[15:16] <zsombi> Elleo: but I'll ping you once I have it
[15:16] <Elleo> zsombi: cool, thanks
[15:24] <sturmflut-work> mcphail: The E4.5 has an SDXC controller, I put my pre-formatted 64 GB card in and it was instantly mounted. The "up to 32 GB" phrase is quite standard in the mobile world, for various reasons. On one hand you need exFAT in many cases, on the other lots of MMC controllers are crappy and won't talk to half the cards.
[15:24] <mcphail> sturmflut-work: good to know. I regret limiting my purchase to 32GB now :)
[15:25] <ogra_> yeah, i run with a 64G one as well
[15:25] <ogra_> still want to try a 128G
[15:29] <sturmflut-work> Oh cool, the SD card is exposed via MTP
[15:29] <ogra_> yep
[15:29] <ogra_> but limited to vfat
[15:29] <ogra_> so no files above 4G
[15:30] <mcphail> ogra_: Seriously? Even android can do ext4 :)
[15:30] <ogra_> we cant yet
[15:31] <ogra_> if you have a fs that maintains ownership and permissions of files, the whole thing gets far more complicated ... we will likely support other FSes over time
[15:31] <sturmflut-work> I still have to look how to handle large dictionaries in my SLOB Reader app, the English Wikipedia is a single 11 GB file dump and neither the internal storage of the E4.5 nor VFAT on the SD card can handle that :/
[15:32] <ogra_> also the typical enduser needs to be able to just use the card in his/her PC
[15:32] <ogra_> internal should be able to
[15:34] <sturmflut-work> ogra_: The userdata partition of the E4.5 is just 4.4G.
[15:34] <ogra_> heh, oh, indeed
[15:52] <Wellark> sturmflut-work: no roadmap yet :(
[15:52] <Wellark> sturmflut-work: we will have a sprint concentrating on the matter (as well as others) in the end of this month
[15:52] <Wellark> I will keep you posted when the roadmap is finished
[15:53] <Wellark> sturmflut-work: those feature reguest bugs will help with the planning, so thanks! :)
[15:57] <mterry> chrisccoulson, bug 1439829 also affects RTM -- apparently our version of oxide is in sync?
[15:59] <mterry> chrisccoulson, while we don't run the wizard under unity8 itself in RTM, we do use similar platform name shortening cod
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> mterry, the one in RTM should be the current stable (1.5.something)
[16:35] <mterry> chrisccoulson, yeah but 1.5 has the same "ubuntu" prefix check
[16:35] <mterry> that vivid does
[16:36] <chrisccoulson> mterry, it does. It also doesn't contain the EGLImage compositing path to composite correctly with a QPA plugin that doesn't allow us to get the underlying share context
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> (ie, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~oxide-developers/oxide/oxide.trunk/revision/1017)
[16:37] <mterry> chrisccoulson, I don't follow -- does that mean that you are surprised by the crash or are not surprised?
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> so the best you'll ever get with 1.5 and 1.6 is the software compositing mode, which is pretty much unusable on the device (like, sub 5fps unusable)
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> mterry, I'm not surprised by the crash, but fixing the crash won't really make the experience acceptable if you're displaying a webview
[16:43] <ogra_> mterry, where does it get the "mirserver" from ? and env var ? we could worst case just bluntly stuff it into /etc/environment as a temporary "fix"
[16:43] <ogra_> s/and/an/
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> I should point out that the 1.6 branch doesn't crash (but it does run in software compositing mode if the platform is "mirserver")
[16:44] <mterry> ogra_, unity8 shifts "ubuntumirclient" to "mirserver" which is what qtmir expects
[16:44] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, which we dont have on a phone :)
[16:44] <mterry> ogra_, but oxide started to require "ubuntu" prefixes
[16:45] <ogra_> ah. so no way to override it from the outside then :/
[16:45] <mterry> ogra_, no :(
[16:46] <ogra_> well, one more reason to get vivid into RTM asap then :)
[16:46] <ogra_> (yay acronyms)
[16:47] <chrisccoulson> Note, the 1.5 branch of Oxide is obsolete next week anyway (1.6 is the next stable, which will land in all releases)
[16:48] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, how can it be obsolete ? we ship phones with it on them :P
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, you'll need to ship 1.6 if you want the dozens of security fixes in it ;)
[18:33] <muka_> how can I change keyboard to digits. I'm writing simple html app for my use in cgi/python. thank you
[18:58] <SturmFlut> Wellark: I think I can come up with even more suggestions for the connectivity-api until the end of the month
[19:33] <bogdan> Hi all. On my ubuntu touch (bq edition) if I conect wifi and disable, or when I enable or disable airplane mode, the bluetooth is enable without any activation from me. Is there a bug for this
[19:33] <bogdan> existing one?
[19:36] <bogdan> is anyone here?
[19:40] <dobey> bogdan: i don't know if there is an existing bug for that or not. but you can just file one and it will get triaged appropriately
[19:41] <bogdan> ok, thanks, I want to help Ubuntu Phone to get better and better so I want to report any bug I find..
[19:41] <dobey> please do :)
[19:42] <bogdan> Please DOBEY, tell me a place to report this, the apropiate one
[19:42] <bogdan> the proper link to launchpad
[19:43] <dobey> bogdan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth would be a good place to start for that one, i guess
[19:46] <bogdan> thanks, a great comunnity also here on chat! The first comunity I found is on Google Plus, now this one. Ubuntu its a great comunity
[19:55] <bogdan> I reported this bug here (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-bluetooth/+bug/1437652) but Alan Pope said about this bug report "Please file bugs in the correct locations rather than create a new project and file bugs there." Where is the right place??..
[20:09] <SturmFlut> bogdan: I might be wrong, but "UbuntuPhone (bq)" does not look like an official project.
[20:13] <Wellark> SturmFlut: that would be great! thank you :)
[20:17] <SturmFlut> Wellark: ole hyvä, thanks for your hard work
[20:18] <bogdan> I confirmed that thing with UbuntuPhone (BQ), but was not written by me. I just confirmed the bug and write one comment. and click on that "UbuntuPhone BQ " tag. We who reports bugs are not experts in tags, filling bugs, and so on... :)
[20:20] <k1l_> bogdan: the comment from popey was made before you commented on the bug and is directed at HP (peter-hausler).
[20:21] <bogdan> ok, I just didnt understood that this from "Affects" list are project
[20:21] <bogdan> I thought they are simple tags..
[20:22] <SturmFlut> k1l_: Thanks for clearing it up, it is late over here and I got a bit confused too
[20:22] <k1l_> no, its the projects that are affected. if you create a fake one, like the user HP did, no one will get to see the bug report. because the only "dev" that gets noticed now is the user HP
[20:33] <dobey> huh
[20:33] <dobey> how did he even manage to register "ubuntuphone" as a project
[20:44] <SturmFlut> dobey: https://launchpad.net/projects/+new maybe?
[20:44] <dobey> SturmFlut: no, i mean, launchpad has magic filtering that doesn't generally let random people create projects that have "ubuntu" in the name
[20:49] <SturmFlut> dobey: ... no, it doesn't, I think I need to file a bug report and somebody has to remove https://launchpad.net/ubuntuunicorn
[20:50] <SturmFlut> Or I come up with something Unicorn-related within the next hours
[20:51] <dobey> SturmFlut: well i can rename it and deactivate it
[20:52] <SturmFlut> Do I file the bug against Launchpad itself or is this a case for some site administrator IRC channel/mailing list?
[20:52] <dobey> but i can't just delete it
[20:52] <dobey> normally you'd create a "question" against launchpad itself
[20:53] <dobey> well it's deactivated now
[20:53] <dobey> i don't know what i should do about the other one
[20:53] <dobey> wgrant: ^^ i thought launchpad prevented random people from creating a project named "ubuntu*"
[20:58] <SturmFlut> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/264872
[21:09] <SturmFlut> dobey: Thanks for your hard work BTW. And good luck for the never-ending app store scoring/sorting discussions ;)
[21:11] <dobey> :)
[21:14] <SturmFlut> dobey: While we're at it, I have a suggestion for app scoring based on the geometric mean, the position of the moon and some actual Voodoo magic...
[21:14] * SturmFlut ducks and runs
[21:15] <k1l_> why not let mark do the sorting manually? i mean we all know everyone will blame him anyway ;p
[21:15] <dobey> that's how it works now
[21:15] <dobey> the moon i mean
[21:16] <SturmFlut> dobey: I knew it!
[21:17] <SturmFlut> So I just have to manipulate the moon to get my app onto the front page, right?
[21:18] <dobey> well, i'm not going to say /which/ moon
[21:19] <dobey> i don't have a huge opinion on how apps are sorted anyway. it's all done on the server. the apps scope just displays them in pretty much the order given by the server
[21:20] <dobey> and i work on the scope, not the server :)
[21:27] <SturmFlut> k1l_: If Mark does the sorting the ShuttleGotchi app will never get in. Or it will be the #1 app forever. I can't decide. But there are only those two options.
[21:31] <SturmFlut> mzanetti: I would be willing to spend 10 € on a QML ShuttleGotchi app, just saying
[21:33] <mzanetti> :D
[21:36] <dadexix86> can someone explain to me if there is a substantial difference between the ubuntu icon in the launcher and the "full" swipe from the left? Or is it just redundancy? (because I never use that icon, it just takes space on the launcher for nothing :S )
[21:36] <brunch875> ^ +1
[21:36] <dobey> dadexix86: they are the same thing
[21:37] <brunch875> I would change the full left swipe for something else
[21:37] <brunch875> but I suppose that's a matter of taste
[21:37] <dobey> i would get rid of the launcher entirely on my phone
[21:37] <dobey> i never use it :)
[21:38] <brunch875> it's handy for recent applications
[21:38] <brunch875> especially since you must close the active scope to open the app menu
[21:38] <brunch875> that annoys me greatly
[21:39] <k1l_> btw: was there a price named for the mx4 so far?
[21:39] <dadexix86> I would get rid of the button in the launcher ;)
[21:39] <brunch875> where's most of the design discussed?
[21:39] <brunch875> I want to hop in!
[21:39] <dobey> k1l_: the android version is already released right?
[21:40] <dadexix86> And place an analog clock in the round thing of the lock screen :P
[21:40] <k1l_> dobey: yep. so around that amount?
[21:40] <dobey> k1l_: i would expect it to be about the same, when it's announced, yeah
[21:40] <brunch875> I have great design ideas! Like... make everything pink... and flashy... with baby gifs on a sparkly background and banners
[21:41] <dobey> at least, that's how the bq was i think
[21:41] <dadexix86> brunch875, no unicorns? :(
[21:41] <brunch875> no, they're not funny enough
[21:41] <dobey> dadexix86: not an analog clock, but having the time be the default display in the center would be nicer, i agree
[21:42] <brunch875> I believe the round thing is actually a clock
[21:43] <dadexix86> dobey, especially with the bq cover. 90% of the time we look at a locked phone is for the time.
[21:43] <brunch875> I just haven't figured out how it works
[21:43] <dadexix86> brunch875, no, it points out the date
[21:43] <brunch875> the date?
[21:43] <dadexix86> in march there were 31 dots, in april they are 30
[21:43] <SturmFlut> dobey, k1l_ : According to http://www.meizumart.com/product/MEIZU%20MX4 the international 32 GB version ships for 489 US-$. And I am not sure if that already includes taxes and customs.
[21:43] <brunch875> how?
[21:43] <brunch875> ooooh...
[21:43] <dadexix86> and the "bold" one is the one of today
[21:43] <brunch875> that makes sense
[21:44] <k1l_> SturmFlut: i saw a price of ~350euros in china and ~450euros for distributor in eu.
[21:44] <brunch875> it's pretty damn expensive
[21:44] <brunch875> the BQ device runs smooth enough for me
[21:45] <SturmFlut> k1l_: Yep, because the chinese version apparently has a locked bootloader and the international one is unlocked.
[21:45] <dobey> the mx4 is a pretty high spec device though
[21:45] <k1l_> which is a lot of money. but people were calling for "more power"
[21:45] <dadexix86> brunch875, but it is totally useless, no one can possibily count them ;)
[21:45] <k1l_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygBP7MtT3Ac
[21:45] <k1l_> "Jeremy Clarkson POWERRR!!! Top Gear" :)
[21:46] <brunch875> it's not that bad; you have the date on the top. The circle makes a good estimation on "how much month left there is"
[21:51] <SturmFlut> If bq didn't forget to put LTE into the Aquaris E6 it would be an actual competitor for the MX4. The CPU is slower, but the battery has much higher capacity and the E6 is only 310 €.
[21:51] <brunch875> they added it to E5
[21:51] <brunch875> I'm still wondering why they didn' choose the E5 to deploy ubuntu
[21:51] <matv1> just wondering: why was there never a codename for the meizu ? like krillin i mean. there must be a distinct dtap track for that device?
[21:52] <k1l_> honestly i dont mind lte. on my contract with lte speed my volume gets cut down after 1second fullspeed anyway :)
[21:55] <SturmFlut> k1l_: Even cheap prepaid operators like ALDI Talk have LTE nowadays. 5 GB for 15 €/month. I use it quite a lot on my daily commute.
[21:56] <brunch875> what happens when you run out?
[21:56] <brunch875> here in spain you get free internets for dialup speed when you're out of GBs left
[21:56] <k1l_> i still use my base students contract. so personally i dont look for LTE. but qi-charge is important to me.
[21:56] <SturmFlut> brunch875: You are throttled down to 32 kBit/s (yeah, KILOBITS), but you can also get additional 5 GB for about 3 €
[21:56] <dadexix86> k1l_, I think I can last almost double than you, since I have 500MB per month at full speed ;)
[21:56] <k1l_> i dont want to miss inductive charging since my nexus4 and hp-touchpad anymore
[21:57] <k1l_> brunch875: yes. but for the small fullspeed LTE time i would not pay more for a device to have LTE :)
[21:57] <brunch875> some day we'll get broadband on the phone...
[21:58] <brunch875> does utouch support LTE anyway?
[21:58] <dobey> sort of
[21:58] <dobey> it works on my nexus 5 :)
[21:58] <SturmFlut> brunch875: Here in my apartment LTE is (on average) already faster than the fastest DSL line I can get. The problem is the data cap, 5 GB is a joke.
[21:59] <brunch875> I wonder how necessary the cap is for the operators
[21:59] <brunch875> maybe it's just idle connectivity they're wasting
[22:03] <dobey> it's not that necessary
[22:03] <dobey> which is why t-mobile us has basically unlimited data service. they only charge for 4g speeds
[22:03] <dobey> if you run out of 4g data, you drop to 3g
[22:05] <SturmFlut> brunch875: The problem is that the data rate quickly deteriorates to quite low levels with increasing distance from the tower, and that the frequency bands allocated to mobile operators are comparably narrow. If your home WiFi uses 5 GHz, it uses a larger band for your devices alone than most operators can use to supply a whole town.
[22:09] <dobey> SturmFlut: more accurately, only a few companies actually own the towers usually, and all the smaller providers have to rent from the big companies. then those charges of course end up getting paid by the customers.
[22:14] <SturmFlut> dobey: In the end it is a combination of problems, sure. But the most pressing ones are "scarce spectrum" and "signal deteriorates with distance". If we want to supply everybody with high-speed cellular mobile networking we have to dramatically increase the number of base stations. Back with 2G you could provide access to thousands of users within a 20 km range with just a single tower.
[22:15] <SturmFlut> dobey: Now you basically need an LTE base station every couple hundred meters.
[22:16] * dobey remembers when there was no data
[22:17] <dobey> or cellular data was "send some binary specific to the type of phone, in an sms"
[22:17] <dobey> those were the days :)
[22:17] <dobey> anyway, i have to go
[22:17] <SturmFlut> dobey: There was always data. It was called HSCSD before packet data was introduced. mzanetti also remembers those days...
[22:18] <SturmFlut> dobey: nighty night
[23:01] <wgrant> dobey: We forbid projects matching ^.?ubuntu$, but not anyhting starting with Ubuntu.
[23:01] <wgrant> If we did, there would be countless violations.
[23:13] <SturmFlut> wgrant: Thanks for the clarification, you may just close my question then
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-mir
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[04:06] <duflu> That's scary. I'm seeing documentation that shows the C++14 ways of doing things won't still work in C++17
[05:19] <RAOF> duflu: Which particular bits? I seem to remember seeing some edge-case stuff that didn't seem to be terribly unreasonable.
[05:57] <duflu> RAOF: unique_ptr and destructors I think it was
[07:35] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, are you still around? I've got something you might be able to help me with :)
[07:35] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: I am, briefly.
[07:35] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: What can I do you for?
[07:36] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, how familiar are you with the graphics architecture in oxide + chromium?
[07:36] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: I think you might be after racarr.
[07:37] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: On the basis that he did most of the Mir backend for chromium.
[07:37] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, possibly, but you don't know what I'm going to ask next :)
[07:37] <RAOF> I am not particularly familiar with the graphics arcitectures you're talking about :)
[07:38] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, the short story is - Oxide has a webiew compositor that composites to a texture via chromium's GPU service thread. We then create an EGLImage from that which gets passed to the QML scenegraph compositor
[07:39] <RAOF> Sensible enough.
[07:39] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, but we want to move the GPU service thread out of process, as it is with Chrome / Chromium
[07:39] <RAOF> Also sensible enough.
[07:39] <chrisccoulson> so the EGLImage we pass to QML has to be backed by something that lives in another process
[07:40] <RAOF> Welcome to nonstandardland.
[07:40] <chrisccoulson> I know how to approach this on X + GLX (we have a different compositing path for X currently)
[07:40] <RAOF> There's no simple way to get an EGLImage across process boundaries.
[07:40] <chrisccoulson> Yeah, that's what I was expecting
[07:41] <RAOF> In the not *too* distant future EGLStream is what you're after.
[07:41] <chrisccoulson> Having different implementations for mesa / hybris isn't really too much of an issue
[07:43] <RAOF> For mesa you can use... EGL_EXT_image_dma_buf_import and EGL_MESA_drm_image, I think.
[07:43] <RAOF> For hybris...
[07:44] <RAOF> ...have you perhaps considered becoming a Mir compositor? :)
[07:45] <chrisccoulson> Hah, I haven't. I'm not entirely sure what that would involve (we're pretty much tied to Chromium's compositor)
[07:45] <RAOF> Oh, you'd just use the Mir backend for that :)
[07:45] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, For mesa, I was looking at libgbm. Is that not the right thing to use?
[07:46] <RAOF> Not really, no.
[07:46] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[07:48] * RAOF heads out.
[07:48] <RAOF> Sorry I couldn't be of more help!
[07:49] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, oh, you've been helpful enough. Thanks! :)
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-ko
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[00:04] <ZNC_autowiz> T.T
[00:09] <Dracokr> 아...어제 아이가 겨울왕국 보고 잔다고 해서 1시반에 잤더니
[00:09] <Dracokr> 피곤하네요 -_-
[00:10] <PotatoGim> 아직까지 엘사느님의 위엄이...ㅋㅋ
[00:12] <Work^Seony> 디즈니 일하는 사람들이, 겨울왕국 때문에 친구들한테 욕을 많이 먹었대요
[00:14] <razGon_MINILA> 왜요?
[00:14] <Work^Seony> 자녀가 있는 친구들이, 니놈들이 만든 겨울왕국 때문에 내가 죽겠다 면서 ㅋㅋ
[00:16] <Work^Seony> 하루종일 똑같은 노래 듣는게 고문이라면서 뭐 암튼 농담반 진담반으로 디즈니에서 일하는 친구들한테 하소연했다는 일화가 있어요
[00:16] <Work^Seony> 그리고 미국에 무슨 뉴스인지 토크쇼인지에서도, 디즈니가 겨울왕국 2 제작발표를 하면서 미안하다 라고 얘길 했으니깐요 ㅋㅋ
[00:26] <razGon_MINILA> ㅋㅋㅋㅋ
[00:40] <Dracokr> 전 이미 30번쯤 봤을걸요
[00:40] <Dracokr> 연출상의 문제점이나, 논리상 오류도 다 보임
[00:40] <Dracokr> -_-
[00:43] <Dracokr> 안나가 엘사 따라서 떠난후 2박3일간 먹지도 자지도 않았다라던가
[01:10] <samahui_> 좋은 아침 입니다
[01:16] <softfactory203> 안녕하세요
[01:17] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[01:23] <Work^Seony> 요즘 식욕이 무지 땡기네요...
[01:24] <Work^Seony> 체중이 조금 늘었는데.... 어찌해야할지 모르겠습니다. ㅎㅎ
[01:25] <samahui_> 저도 체중땜시 걱정이예요
[01:26] <Work^Seony> 저는 많이 늘진 않았구요, 늘어도 일정 무게 이상은 안나가는데, 요즘 식욕을 주체를 못하네요 ㅎㅎ
[01:26] <samahui_> 키가 자라실지도... ㅎㅎ
[01:26] <softfactory203> 처음 인사드립니다.
[01:26] <samahui_> 네 반갑습니다~
[01:26] <Work^Seony> 어서오세요
[01:27] <Work^Seony> 야곱 님이시군요 ㅎ
[01:27] <Dracokr> 봄이라 그런지...ㅎㅎ
[01:28] <Dracokr> 식욕의 원인을 찾아야 겠군요
[01:28] <Work^Seony> 원래 봄이 식욕이 가장 땡기는 계절인가요?
[01:29] <Dracokr> 사람마다 다르죠
[01:30] <Dracokr> 저는 나물이나 채소 가격 싸져서 그런거 자주 먹고 싶어지고....채소 가격 싸지니 같이 고기도 먹고 싶고...(응?)
[01:30] <Dracokr> 그러다보니 좀 먹게 되네요 ㅋㅋㅋ
[01:30] <samahui_> 저도 봄나물이 가장 땡겨요
[01:30] <samahui_> 그리고 많이 먹게 되죠
[01:31] <Work^Seony> 전 무조건 꼬기가 땡깁니다 ㅋ
[01:31] <Dracokr> 저도 딸이 고기타령해서...조만간 이마트 좀 털러 가야할듯
[01:31] <Dracokr> 안심 사러
[01:31] <samahui_> 저희 아이도 이유식에 소고기 갈아넣어주면 잘먹습니다 흐흐
[01:32] <samahui_> 지 아빠를 고대로 닮았다죠
[01:32] <Dracokr> 전에 장모님이 딸 봐주실때
[01:32] <Dracokr> 데리고 정육점에 가셔서 찌개와 잡채에 넣을 돼지고기를 주문하셨는데,
[01:32] <Dracokr> 같이 있던 딸이 '난 소고기를 더 좋아하는데' 라고 큰 소리로 말하더라고 -_-
[01:33] <samahui_> ㅎㅎ
[01:34] <Dracokr> 이유식은 좀 어렵죠. 좀 있다가 어른이랑 같이 먹게 되면 편해지죠 ㅎㅎ
[01:34] <Dracokr> 싱겁게만 해서 먹이면 되니
[01:34] <samahui_> 이제 시작단계라 한가지식 돌아가면서 먹이고 있어요 ㅎㅎ
[01:34] <samahui_> 다른 아이와 달리 흘리지도 않고 잘 먹어서 놀라는 중입니다
[01:35] <samahui_> 자기가 흘릴꺼 같으면 고개를 뒤로 졌혀서 받아먹더군요 ㅎ;ㅎ;
[01:35] <Dracokr> 저희는 이제 숟가락 연습중. 젓가락은 처음부터 잘하더니 숟가락은 좀 늦네요.
[01:35] <Dracokr> (우분투방이 육아방화)
[01:35] <Work^Seony> 이거 어디서 파는 음식이게요 ㅋㅋ https://musa4trip.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/hawaii-mc.jpg
[01:35] <samahui_> ㅎㅎ
[01:36] <Dracokr> 뭔가 제 취향이네요
[01:36] <Dracokr> 파일명이 하와이mc라고
[01:36] <Work^Seony> 맥도날드 아침 메뉴입니다 ㅋㅋ
[01:36] <samahui_> 맥도날드 메뉴 ㅋ ㅋ
[01:36] <Dracokr> 하와이 맥도날드인가 ㅎㅎ
[01:36] <samahui_> 한국 맥도날드에도 시급히 도입이 필요해 보입니다
[01:37] <samahui_> 제 든든한 아침을 위해서
[01:37] <Work^Seony> 네 하와이 맥도날드에서 아침에만 파는건데요,
[01:37] <Work^Seony> 미국 사람들 시선에서는 믿을 수 없는 사진이라네요
[01:37] <Dracokr> 양상추 한두장 곁들여주면 좋을듯 한...
[01:38] <Work^Seony> 스팸 소비량 전세계 1위가 하와이라는데, 이 동네는 1년에 한 번씩 스팸 축제도 해요 ㅋㅋ
[01:38] <Work^Seony> 가끔 학교 교수가 스팸 써있는 티셔츠 입고 강의하는거 보면 좀 웃기긴 합니다
[01:38] <samahui_> ㅎㅎ
[01:38] <samahui_> 좋은 곳이군요 저도 스팸은 좋아라합니다
[01:39] <ready^T420> 아
[01:39] <Work^Seony> 오늘은 양념통닭 땡기네요...
[01:39] <ready^T420> 스팸먹고싶네요.
[01:39] <Work^Seony> 저녁에 멕시칸 양념치킨이나 먹어야겠어요 ㅎㅎ
[01:39] <ready^T420> 오
[01:39] <ready^T420> 하와이에도
[01:39] <ready^T420> 양념치킨이 있나요?
[01:39] <samahui_> 요즘 한국은 배달앱등 덕분에 가격들이 다 올라서 배달음식 시키기 짜증납니다
[01:39] <Work^Seony> 네 있는데요, 한국사람이 하는 양념치킨은 별로 맛이 없구요,
[01:39] <Work^Seony> 진짜 멕시칸 사람들이 하는 멕시칸 양념치킨이 진짜 맛있죠
[01:40] <samahui_> 거기다 B모사 두곳이 아주 작정하고 가격올리니 다 따라 올라서 동네치킨 아니고는 먹기 겁나는 가격이죠
[01:41] <Work^Seony> 제가 하와이 올 때만 해도 음식값은 한국이 훨씬 쌌는데, 이젠 훨씬 비싸요
[01:43] <samahui_> 원재료값 오를때는 너도나도 올리고서 재료값 떨어져도 그대로 유지하죠
[01:43] <Work^Seony> 글쵸... 근데 더 싫은건, 먹는걸로 장난치는거에요...
[01:43] <Work^Seony> 못먹을걸 넣는다거나...
[01:44] <Work^Seony> 그것도 대기업이...
[01:44] <Work^Seony> 미국에서 그랬으면 아마 회사 문 닫았을 거에요...
[01:44] <samahui_> 그러고보니 저번에 제과사가 일본 수출품은 좋은 기름쓰고 우리나라는 싼거 쓰다 걸렸는데 하는말이 걸작이였어요. 한국인 입맛에 맞게 만들어서 그렇다고 ㅎㅎ;;
[01:45] <ready^T420> -_-...
[01:45] <ready^T420> 자동차랑 똑같네
[01:45] <samahui_> 우리 국민은 해당 제과업체의 말대로라면 싼입입니다
[01:45] <ready^T420> 내수용을 더 좋게 만들어야지
[01:45] <samahui_> 거기다 거품 포장은 여전하죠
[01:45] <samahui_> 사먹지 말아야하는데 사먹는 사람들이 문제죠
[01:46] <samahui_> 이번에 허니버터칩 파동일어났을때도 솔직히 먹지 말아줬어야 한다고 봅니다. 이것들이 고가정책을 넘어서 희귀품 만들어서 비싸게 팔아먹는 꼴이 참으로 한심하더라고요
[01:46] <Work^Seony> 전 아직 못먹어봤어요
[01:46] <Work^Seony> 맛있나요? ㅎㅎ
[01:46] <ready^T420> 전 아직 구경도 못했습니다.
[01:47] <samahui_> 전 먹어봤지만 ... 맛은 있는데 그렇다고 크게 엄청나게 맛있지도 않아요
[01:47] <samahui_> 하나 다 혼자 먹으면 질릴정도라서 별로죠
[01:48] <Work^Seony> 그게 감자칩이죠?
[01:48] <samahui_> 원작인 일본께 더 맛있고... 솔직히 수미칩 이나 꼬칼콘의 비슷한 맛 제품이 더 맛있어요 ㅎㅎ
[01:48] <samahui_> 감자칩 입니다
[01:48] <Work^Seony> 감자칩이라면, 전 그냥 프리토레이에서 나오는 Lays가 최고입니다 ㅎㅎ
[01:48] <samahui_> 포카칩에 버터랑 꿀 발라 놓으면 비슷한 맛이 난다죠
[01:51] <Work^Seony> 예전에 하와이 처음 왔을 때 과자가 먹고싶은데 뭘 먹어야할지 몰랐었죠
[01:51] <Work^Seony> 그래서 고른게 치토스... ㅎㅎ
[01:51] <Work^Seony> 오리온 프리토레이의 그 프리토레이가 미국 회사라는걸 처음 알게된 날이죠
[01:51] <samahui_> 레이즈가 확실히 맛있죠 양도 많고
[01:51] <Work^Seony> 근데 미국 치토스는, 3개 이상 먹을 수 없을만큼 짰어요
[01:51] <Work^Seony> 지금은... 그 자리에서 다 먹습니다 ㅋㅋ
[01:52] <samahui_> 미국 치즈 과자는 저도 짜서 많이 못먹겠더군요.. 그래도 어느순간 땡겨요
[01:52] <Work^Seony> 사무실에 놓고 먹을려고 사놓은 프리토레이 미니 과자 50개들이 상자에 과자가 아직 남아있어요! ㅎㅎ
[01:54] <Work^Seony> 키보드와 사이즈 비교를 ㅎㅎ
[01:54] <samahui_> 전 요즘 과자는 자제하고 있습니다. 얼마전에 치즈볼 한통 사놓고 먹다보니... 엄청나게 살찌는게 느껴지는거 같더라고요 ㅎㅎ
[01:54] <Work^Seony> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/akytgf729qnrppk/AAAqGYyBnTak-RbBGPcoG1LWa
[01:54] <Work^Seony> 모니터 고치고 새로 찍은 사진입니다 ㅎㅎ https://www.dropbox.com/sc/4u4tgjibf6uprkt/AABKF4SsNAlAZLZz2M1N-a6ca
[01:56] <samahui_> 고대기가 인상적이군요 ㅋ
[01:56] <Work^Seony> 네 저 구석은 제 와이프 자리거든요 ㅋ
[01:57] <samahui_> 바닦에 뭔가 깐건가요?
[01:57] <samahui_> 전 그냥 카펫위에 의자 바퀴가 있으니 자꾸 좀 씹히는 느낌이랄까 걸리는 느낌이랄까 그런거 땜시 의자 옮기기 불편한데 저거 좋아보이네요
[01:58] <Work^Seony> 카펫에서는 바퀴가 잘 안굴러가니깐요, 그 위에 올려놓는 플라스틱 판 같은게 팔아요
[01:58] <Work^Seony> 카펫이 일상적인 나라라서 저런게 흔해요
[01:59] <samahui_> 괜찮은 제품이군요. 검색해봐야겠어요
[02:00] <Dracokr> 과자는...요즘 외국과자들 많이 알려져서 그런지 동네에도 외국과자 전문점이 생겼어요
[02:00] <Dracokr> 뭐 장사 안되는지 맨날 할인 판매하지만
[02:00] <Dracokr> -_-
[02:01] <Dracokr> 배달앱은 잘만 되었다면, 배달음식점들 전단지 배포 절약해서 좋았을텐데.
[02:01] <Dracokr> 스마트폰 앱 쓰는 사람 따로 있고, 전단지 보는 사람 따로 있어서, 배달앱 가입한다고 전단지 안뿌릴수는 없는거니까
[02:01] <Dracokr> 결국 추가부담일뿐...
[02:02] <samahui_> 추가 부담을 음식값에 그것도 배달앱 안쓰는 사람에게만 전가해서 문제죠
[02:02] <samahui_> 배달앱 초기라 홍보성으로 앱쓰면 할인이 들어가는데 이게 그냥 전화하면 할인 없이 올린 가격에 먹어야 하는 거거든요
[02:03] <samahui_> 잘못 정착했고 일종의 강압적인 제품이 되어버렸죠
[02:03] <samahui_> 누가 소송걸었으면 좋겠어요. 해당 제품 팔아먹으려고 소비자에게 부담을 전가시킨거니 소송하면 이길지도...
[02:04] <Work^Seony> 예전에는 배달 잘되는 세계 최고의 나라였는데 지금은 그거 때문에 말이 많네요...
[02:04] <Work^Seony> 그래도 배달 잘되는게 부럽긴 해요
[02:04] <Dracokr> 그런건 서비스 모델 문제에 가까워서 아마 기각당할듯
[02:05] <samahui_> 소송 대상에 따라서 결과가 다르겠죠
[02:05] <samahui_> 음식점을 상대로 한다면 먹힐겁니다. 역차별이니까요
[02:06] <Dracokr> 예전에 소셜 커머스에서도 비슷한 이슈가 있었는데 공정위인가 어디서 조사하다 별 문제 없다고, 가이드라인만 만들고 그냥 말았거든요.
[02:06] <Dracokr> 어디는 할인 해주고 어디는 그거 전가하고
[02:07] <Dracokr> 그랬죠
[02:07] <samahui_> 공정위 조사야 그렇지만 소송은 다르죠.
[02:07] <samahui_> 뭐 귀찮아서 그냥 안쓰고 안먹고 말겠지만요 ㅎ;ㅎ;
[02:08] <Work^Seony> 배달앱 안쓰고 걍 직접 전화걸어서 배달시키면 어떻게 되요?
[02:08] <Dracokr> 할인 못받죠
[02:08] <Work^Seony> 아... 할인이라는게 있군요...
[02:08] <Work^Seony> 얼마나 할인해주는데요?
[02:08] <samahui_> 기존 가격이 되는거죠
[02:08] <samahui_> 자장면등 중국집은 1천원 올려버렸어요
[02:09] <Dracokr> 500원이나 천원정도 차이 날걸요
[02:09] <samahui_> 수수료 때문인듯한데 결국 엄청난 비율로 가격 올려버린게 되서 물가도 오른꼴이 되었죠
[02:09] <samahui_> 앱덕분에 물가가 또 오른거죠
[02:09] <Work^Seony> 그런거군요...
[02:09] <samahui_> 앱을 안쓰는 사람에게만요
[02:10] <Dracokr> 어재튼 소송은 불가능할겁니다. 피해라는게 애매해서.
[02:10] <Dracokr> 업주는 그거 배달앱 안할려면 안할 수 있는거고. 소비자는 몇백원 할인 차이는 인정받기 어렵고
[02:10] <samahui_> 5000원 자장면이면 20프로가 오른건데요
[02:11] <samahui_> 몇백원차이 문제가 아니죠 그리고 소송을 하려면 집단으로 해야죠
[02:11] <samahui_> 스마트폰 안쓰는 사람들 흐흐
[02:11] <Dracokr> 가격은 업주가 정하는거에요. 2배로 올리던 말든
[02:11] <Dracokr> 그게 피해는 아니죠
[02:11] <Work^Seony> 요즘 중국집에서 볶음밥 시키면 진짜로 짬뽕국물 안줘요?
[02:11] <samahui_> 그게 가격 올리걸 말하는게 아니라 앱을 안쓰면 차별을 받는 부분에 대한거라
[02:11] <Dracokr> 담합이라도 하지 않는 이상
[02:11] <Dracokr> 그것도 인정받기 어려운게
[02:11] <samahui_> 거기다 담합에 가깝죠 전체가 한번에 앱을 핑게로 올렸으니
[02:11] <Dracokr> 가격을 차별해서 받은게 아니라, 할인 해주는거라
[02:12] <samahui_> 볶음밥 시키면 국물줍니다
[02:12] <samahui_> 그러니까요 역차별이죠
[02:12] <Dracokr> 백화점 50%할인 이벤트 그런건 뭐 다른가요
[02:12] <Dracokr> 날짜 하나차이로 가격이 절반되는데
[02:12] <samahui_> 앱을 안쓰거나 스마트폰이 없으면 받을수 없는거니까요
[02:12] <Work^Seony> 짬뽕국물이 아니라 무슨 우동국물을 준다는 소리가 이 동네에 만연해서... ㅎㅎ
[02:12] <samahui_> 우동국물을 준다면 더 좋은데요 ㅎㅎ;;
[02:12] <samahui_> 가계에 따라서 틀려요... 짬뽕국물을 주는곳도 있고 그냥 계란국같은걸 주는곳도 있죠
[02:12] <samahui_> 그게 우동국물같은 그런거죠
[02:13] <Work^Seony> 그게 중국집 우동은 우리가 아는 그런 일본우동이 아니라 계란국 같은걸 거에요..
[02:13] <samahui_> 그건 예전부터 그렇게 주는곳들이 있었어요
[02:13] <DarkCircle> 어음 -ㅅ-
[02:13] <Work^Seony> 암튼 그 얘기 처음 들었을 때 완전 충격이었어요
[02:13] <samahui_> 네 맞아요 ㅎㅎ;;
[02:13] <Work^Seony> 이제 국물도 비싸서 짬뽕으로 안준다니 뭐니....
[02:13] <samahui_> 근데 이게 짜고 맵지 않아서 더 좋아하는 사람도 있습니다
[02:13] <samahui_> 그건 와전된거 같아요... ㅎㅎ
[02:14] <Work^Seony> 다행이네요 ㅋ
[02:14] <samahui_> 오히려 짬뽕보다 우동이 비싸죠... 짬뽕은 많이 시키고 해서 대량 끓여놓거든요
[02:14] <Dracokr> 가끔 차량이나 명품들 가격 인하하면, 민사소송 오는 경우가 있어요. 하루차이로 몇백 몇천 손해봤다고. 근데 그거 다 기각당해요.
[02:14] <samahui_> 짬뽕국물 주는건 돈들어가는 일이 아니죠
[02:14] <Work^Seony> 제가 사실 중화요리 못먹어서 스트레스 받거든요 ㅎㅎ
[02:14] <samahui_> 저도 중화요리는 깐풍기 같은건 좋아라하는데 그냥 면요리는 가끔 먹으면 맛있지만 이상하게 소화가 잘 안되더라고요
[02:15] <samahui_> 자극이 심하고 기름이 많아서 그런지 부담되는 음식이긴해요 ㅎㅎ;
[02:15] <samahui_> 아~ 없어서 못드시는군요 ㅎㅎ
[02:15] <samahui_> 잠시 착각했네요 ㅎㅎ;;
[02:15] <Work^Seony> 제대로 하는데가 없어요
[02:16] <samahui_> 중화요리는 우리나라 전통요리죠. 토대를 중국에 둔...
[02:16] <samahui_> 중국에 가도 없자나요 ㅎㅎ
[02:16] <Work^Seony> 네. "중화"라는 단어가 중국스럽게 라는 의미라...
[02:16] <samahui_> 전 오히려 미국에서 먹었던 차우면 같은게 가끔 생각나요
[02:16] <samahui_> 박스에 넣어서 팔거나 배달하는 음식들이 있다는게 참 재미있었던 경험이거든요
[02:17] <Work^Seony> 아. 차우멘.... 저는 차우펀을 좋아합니다 ㅎㅎ
[02:17] <samahui_> 핫도그나 피자 스테이크가 더 생각나지만요 ㅎㅎ;;
[02:18] <samahui_> 같은 이름의 다른음식이죠... 우리나라와 ㅎㅎ;;
[02:18] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎ Costco 가면 핫도그 팔잖아요
[02:18] <samahui_> 햄버거만 해도 크기가 좀 크죠
[02:18] <samahui_> 코스트코에서 먹는 피자나 핫도그가 그나마 비슷하죠
[02:18] <samahui_> 근데 코스트코 회원카드 없애버려서 못사요
[02:18] <Work^Seony> costco가서 핫도그에 양파 잔뜩 뿌려서 먹는게 가끔 제 먹는 낙이에요 ㅎㅎ
[02:19] <Work^Seony> 양파 반 핫도그 반에 소스 뿌려서 먹으면... 무지 맛있죠 ㅎㅎ
[02:19] <samahui_> 달달하니 맛나죠
[02:19] <samahui_> 아 ~ 땡기네요
[02:20] <samahui_> 음식앱 이야기하다 생각났는데 구매자 담합 앱을 만들어야겠어요... 가격 말도 안되게 올리거나 부당한 제품 팔면 불매운동하는 앱 흐흐
[02:21] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎ
[02:21] <Work^Seony> 앱이 앱을 낳는군요
[02:21] <samahui_> ㅎㅎ
[02:21] <samahui_> 담합이 담합을 낳은거죠 ㅎㅎ
[02:22] <samahui_> 일 대충 정리하고 전 도망갈겁니다 이제 연휴 시작이네요 흐흐
[02:22] <samahui_> 어제 말씀대로 잘 개겼습니다
[02:23] <samahui_> 점심 먹으러 갈때~ 전 퇴근해버려야죠
[02:24] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎㅎ
[02:24] <Work^Seony> 어서 즐거운 휴가를...
[02:24] <samahui_> 내일 애 예방접종이 잡혀서 좀 걱정이네요. 6개월차에 맞는 접종에 열날수도 있는게 있어서 걱정되죠
[02:25] <samahui_> 이거 잘 넘겨야 데리고 대전을 가는데 에휴... 덕분에 하루는 집에서 빈둥거리고 가야겠네요 ㅎ;ㅎ;
[02:25] <samahui_> 역시 한화 경기는 TV로만 봐야겠군요
[02:25] <Work^Seony> 예방접종... ㅎㅎ
[02:27] <samahui_> 저 작은 아기를 뭘 그렇게 많이 맞춰야 하는지 모르겟네요
[02:27] <samahui_> 저희 어릴때 보다 더 많아진거 같아요
[02:28] <Work^Seony> 저는 애가 없어서 아직 잘 모르겠지만, 저랑 제 와이프가 공감하는건 한국의 요즘세대 부모들은 좀 너무 심하게 극성인거 같아요
[02:28] <samahui_> 거기다 병원의 장사속이 맞아 떨어지니 예방접종양이 장난이 아니예요
[02:29] <Work^Seony> 제가 어디서 들은 얘기가, 아토피는 주변 환경이 너무 깨끗해서 생기는 병이라고 하더라구요...
[02:29] <samahui_> 다행인건 지원되는게 많아서 거진 공짜라는거죠... 하지만 필수가 아닌것도 병원에서 꼭 맞아야 한다는 듯한 뉘앙스를 풍기면서 유도하죠
[02:30] <Work^Seony> 신체의 항체 생성 메카니즘이, 나쁜 것이 몸에 소량 들어오고 이것을 토대로 항체를 만드는 거잖아요
[02:30] <Work^Seony> 예방접종이라는 것도 같은 원리로 하는 건데,
[02:30] <samahui_> 맞아요
[02:31] <Work^Seony> 너무 깨끗하고 너무 깔끔한 것만 찾다보니 결국 아이들이 오히려 병드는거죠..
[02:31] <samahui_> 근데 그걸 너무 과도하게 하니 작은 자극에도 크게 반응하는게 아토피 같아요
[02:31] <Work^Seony> 뭔 초딩 책가방이 70만원이나 하는걸 사주고...
[02:31] <AutoWiZ_znc> 대충 흙도 좀 묻혀 가며 놀아야 하는데 말이지요
[02:31] <AutoWiZ_znc> 당연히 접속되어 있는줄 알았는데 znc 서버 PC 재부팅 하면서 떨어졌었네요 ㅠ
[02:32] <samahui_> 책가방은 너무 심한데 이게 웃긴게 몇명이나 그렇게 맨다고 그걸 뉴스에서 홍보한 꼴이죠
[02:32] <samahui_> 흙에서 놀아야 하는데 주변에 흙이 없죠 도시에는...
[02:32] <samahui_> 있는곳은 애완견님들이 대소변으로 깔끔하게 오염시켜서 애들 놀게하기 겁나고요 ㅎㅎ;;
[02:32] <Work^Seony> 키우던 애완견도 아이 생기면 버리던 팔던 한다는데, 그것도 좀 어이가 없어요
[02:33] <Work^Seony> 서양만 해도, 애기때부터 애완견 물고빨고 하면서 크거든요
[02:33] <samahui_> 애완견은 어쩔 수 없는 경우도 있긴해요... 털알러지 있어서 어쩔수없이 없앤적이 있거든요...제 막둥이요
[02:33] <samahui_> 다만 났고서 다시 데려와 키웠죠
[02:33] <Work^Seony> 그게, 어릴 때부터 같이 키우면서 알러지라는게 극복되는건 아닐까요?
[02:33] <samahui_> 그정도가 아니라 숨을 못셔요
[02:33] <samahui_> 저희집은 개를 좋아해서 거의 없은적이 없었어요
[02:34] <samahui_> 지금도 네마리 키우죠...
[02:34] <Work^Seony> 그렇군요
[02:34] <samahui_> 근데 애가 숨을 못쉬니 바로 없애버리게 되더라고요... 아무리 자식같은 강아지라도 진짜 자식과는 차이가 있죠
[02:34] <AutoWiZ_znc> 저는 사람도 좀 싫은 ㅠㅠ 감정이 메말라 가고 있어요
[02:34] <samahui_> 다만 아예 없애는게 아니라 친척집으로 피신보냈다가 다시 데려온거지만요
[02:34] <samahui_> ㅜㅜ
[02:35] <Work^Seony> 다시 데려온 거야 전혀 문제될 게 없는데요, 버리는 사람들은 참...
[02:35] <samahui_> 여자라도 좋아하세요 ^^;;
[02:35] <Work^Seony> 개값이 싸서 문제에요
[02:35] <samahui_> 버리는건 아니라고 봅니다
[02:35] <Work^Seony> 이 동네처럼 한 마리에 백만원씩 해야 생명 귀한줄 알지..
[02:35] <samahui_> 그럴꺼면 키우질 말아야죠
[02:35] <samahui_> 가격이 문제가 아니라 정말 가족으로 키우면 못버리죠
[02:35] <samahui_> 저희집 요즘 난리예요. 애들이 다 15살이 넘어서 거진 갈나이거든요
[02:36] <samahui_> 개도 암걸리고 이것저것 병걸리니 이걸 그냥은 못보낸다고 다 수술시키고 뭐하고... 수백씩 깨지고 있죠
[02:36] <Work^Seony> 15살 넘었으면 정말 노인네 다 됐네요
[02:36] <samahui_> 네
[02:37] <samahui_> 예들 떠나면 부모님 충격이 크실거 같아서 차후 어쩌나 싶은데 안되면 아내와 아기라도 내려가 있게하려고요
[02:38] <samahui_> 확실히 자식들이 장성했는데 결혼들은 안하니 애가 집에 없어서 더 외로우시니 강아지에게 크게 애정을 갖으시는거 같아요
[02:38] <Work^Seony> 글쵸
[02:38] <Work^Seony> 연세 드신 부모님들한테 애완견 사드리면 그렇게 좋아하실 수가 없다고 하더라구요
[02:39] <samahui_> 보다 큰 효는 손주를 안겨드리는 겁니다만... 사회가 사회니 애낳기 겁나고 결혼하기 겁나고 그러하죠
[02:39] <samahui_> 그러다보니 애완견이 그 자리를 대신하는거 같아요
[02:40] <Work^Seony> 울나라가 한 20년만 지나면 청년층이 심각하게 부족할 거 같아요
[02:40] <Work^Seony> 진짜로 심각해질 거 같아요
[02:40] <samahui_> 우리나라 뿐만 아니라 전세계적으로 그런 나라가 많죠
[02:42] <samahui_> 점심시간이 다되가는군요
[02:42] <samahui_> 즐거운 점심 시간들되시고~ Seony님은 저녁 잘 챙겨드세요 ㅎㅎ
[02:42] <samahui_> 전 이만 도망갑니다 나중에 뵈요~~~
[02:42] <Work^Seony> 즐거운 휴가 보내세요
[02:43] <samahui_> 넵
[02:55] <DarkCircle> 휴가!
[02:55] <DarkCircle> 부럽 -ㅅ-
[03:25] <AutoWiZ_znc> 안녕하세요
[03:41] <HolyKnight> 어제 휴가내서 모터쇼 다녀왔심다
[03:41] <HolyKnight> 헤헤
[03:48] <AutoWiZ_znc> 모터쇼 어디로요?
[03:51] <AutoWiZ_znc> 서울 킨택스 군요 ㅎㅎ
[03:51] <AutoWiZ_znc> 포르쉐 컨버터블 차량 이쁘네요
[04:03] <AutoWiZ_znc> 밥먹고 오겠습니다.
[04:16] <Dracokr> 모터쇼라...
[04:16] <Dracokr> 모터쇼는 예전에 차보러 가는게 아니었는데 ㅎㅎㅎ 요즘은 다른가요
[06:35] <AutoWiZ_znc> 모터셔는 차보러 가는거지요
[06:40] <Seony> 안녕하세요
[06:56] <jun_> 안녕하세요~
[06:56] <Seony> 안녕하세요
[06:56] <jun_> 못들어올꺼라 했지만... 들어오고야 말았습니다 ㅎ
[07:02] <jun_> 오늘은 날씨도 좋구...
[07:02] <jun_> 꽃놀이 가려고 했으나... 까였고....
[07:20] <Dracokr> 서버 리붓하면 znc가 돌아오는지 테스트 좀 하겠습니다 ㅎ
[07:34] <DarkCircle> 모터쇼의 본질은 -ㅅ-
[07:34] <DarkCircle> 언니를 보러가는거 =3
[07:34] <DarkCircle> (!)
[07:35] <AutoWiZ_znc> 새삥 차에 어울리는 모델 + 미모 모델에 어울리는 차를 보러가는 거? ㅎㅎ
[07:38] <DarkCircle> 모델이 안어울리면 FAIL
[07:38] <AutoWiZ_znc> 제가 직접 모델을 하겠.... 쳐맞쳐맞
[07:40] <jun_> ㅎㅎㅎㅎㅎ 모터쇼에 관련되서 저도 문자 왔더라구요..
[07:48] <jun_> 확인제대로 안해봤는데.. 어디서 하는지 확인해봐야겠네요
[08:13] <Dracokr> http://draco.pe.kr/archives/62
[08:13] <Dracokr> 모터쇼 가본지 12년이 넘었군요
[08:13] <Dracokr> T_T
[08:31] <jun_> ㅎㅎㅎㅎ 전 퇴장하겠습니다~ 수고하세요~~~
[10:20] <imsu> 안녕하세요 ^^
[10:37] <imsu> 에고 설정힘들다 ㅋㅋ
[10:50] <AutoWiZ_znc> 아이고 오랜만~
[18:21] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[21:08] <AutoWiZ_znc> 안녕하세요
[21:09] <AutoWiZ_znc> 아 ㅋㅋ 꿈에서 키보드 사는 꿈 꿨어요 .. 사실 모양은 딱 제가 초등학교때 쓰던 완전 구형 키보드 인데
[21:09] <AutoWiZ_znc> 꿈속에서는 좋다고 막 뛰어다녔네요 ㅋ
[21:10] <Work^Seony> ㅋㅋㅋ
[21:10] <Work^Seony> 요즘 키보드 사고싶으신 거에요?
[21:10] <AutoWiZ_znc> 그다지 그렇지도 않은데 말이지요.
[21:10] <AutoWiZ_znc> 지금 플런저에 만족 .... 아...
[21:10] <AutoWiZ_znc> 한영 키 위치가 영 적응이 안되서
[21:11] <Work^Seony> 한영키 쓰시나보군요
[21:11] <AutoWiZ_znc> 사실 저는 그래서 키보드 살때 백슬러쉬랑 , 한영키 위치 안맞으면 쳐다보지도 않는데
[21:11] <Work^Seony> 저는 한영키는 절대 안써서... ㅎㅎ
[21:11] <AutoWiZ_znc> shift + space 는 오타가 나와서 ( 제의지와 상관없이 변환이 되버려서)
[21:12] <AutoWiZ_znc> mod( super ) + space 는 좀 불편하더라구요 손을 일부러 움직여야 해서
[21:12] <Work^Seony> 그래서 저는 컨트롤 스페이스를 씁니다 ㅋ
[21:12] <Work^Seony> ibus 기본 키조합이기도 하죠
[21:12] <AutoWiZ_znc> 아 기본인가요? 흐음
[21:13] <Work^Seony> 맥에서도 쓸 수 있는 조합이라서 저는 이걸로 전부 통일했어요
[21:16] <AutoWiZ_znc> 근데 윈도우즈에서는 정말 오래전부터 한영키 쓰다보니 , 당연하다고 생각이 들어서 ㅎ
[21:17] <Work^Seony> 뭐든 익숙해지면 바꾸기 어렵죠
[21:25] <AutoWiZ_znc> 서니님은 드라마 보는거 없으세요?
[21:25] <Work^Seony> 일부러 안봐요 ㅎㅎ
[21:25] <Work^Seony> 보기시작하면 못끊거든요
[21:25] <AutoWiZ_znc> ㅎㅎㅎ
[21:25] <Work^Seony> 그래서 선택한게 게임이기도 해요
[21:25] <Work^Seony> 이상하게, 게임은 끊을 수 있거든요
[21:25] <Work^Seony> 아무래도 하다보면 뇌가 스트레스를 받으니까, 장시간 못하겠더라구요
[21:26] <AutoWiZ_znc> 저도 드라마 심하게 꼽히면 밀린거 본다고 잠을 못자요 하루 2~3시간 자면서 , 퇴근하자마자 드라마 틀고 잠들때 까지 ㅋ
[21:26] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎㅎㅎ 드라마 보면 다들 그렇죠
[21:26] <Work^Seony> 예능은 몇개 봅니다
[21:27] <AutoWiZ_znc> 이게 하루에 1~2개 만 보면 괜찮을거 같은데 , 조절이 안되요 ㅋㅋ
[21:27] <AutoWiZ_znc> 예능은 어떤거 보세요?
[21:27] <Work^Seony> 무한도전, 비정상회담, 냉장고를 부탁해, 개콘 정도 봐요
[21:28] <AutoWiZ_znc> 비정상 회담 우연히 몇부분 짧게 봤는데 많이 재미 있는거 같았어요 ㅎ
[21:28] <Work^Seony> 무지 재밌습니다 ㅎㅎ
[21:29] <AutoWiZ_znc> 이상하게 예능은 잘 안땡기더라구요 .
[21:29] <Work^Seony> 저는 비정상회담을 5회인가부터 처음 보고 너무 재밌어서, 1회 찾아서 전부 다 봤어요
[21:30] <Work^Seony> 고정관념을 깨고 생각을 바꾸는데 도움이 많이 되는 프로죠
[21:31] <AutoWiZ_znc> 오오 좋은데요 고정관념을 깨준다라..
[21:32] <Work^Seony> 보시면 알게되는게, 확실히 유럽권은 사고방식이 다르거든요
[21:32] <AutoWiZ_znc> 아 저는 예전에 미녀들의 수다라고
[21:32] <Work^Seony> 그리고, 이슬람 쪽을 보면 우리보다 보수적인게 더 심하다는 점...
[21:32] <Work^Seony> 미녀들의 수다랑은 차원이 다르죠
[21:32] <AutoWiZ_znc> 여러 나라 사람 나오는 프로 있었는데 그건 정말 자주 챙겨 봤어요
[21:32] <AutoWiZ_znc> 거의 매주
[21:32] <Work^Seony> 다루는 주제부터가 완전히 달라요
[21:33] <AutoWiZ_znc> 음... 그렇긴 하네요 ㅋ
[21:33] <Work^Seony> 벨기에는 무정부 상태인 적이 수시로 있었다는 점도 흥미롭고,
[21:34] <Work^Seony> 베네치아는 더 이상 아름다운 도시가 아니라는 점도 재밌었어요 ㅎㅎ
[21:34] <Work^Seony> 이집트에서는 여자친구라는 단어가 없다고 했었나... 암튼 재밌어요 ㅎㅎ
[21:37] <Work^Seony> 논란이 좀 있었던 터키의 에네스는 진짜 한국사람보다 더 한국말을 잘할 정도구요, 그러다보니 여러가지 비유나 이슬람 문화로서의 터키의 여러가지 것들을 속담으로 설명해주는데 정말 재밌습니다
[21:39] <AutoWiZ_znc> 세상엔 참 사람이 많구나 ... 하는걸 요즘 새삼 다시 느끼고 있습니다.
[21:42] <Work^Seony> 점심시간 다되가네요. 오늘은 샐러드 먹어야겠습니다 ㅎㅎ
[21:43] <AutoWiZ_znc> 맛있게 드세요~~
[21:43] <AutoWiZ_znc> 저는 슬 출근 준비~
[21:43] <Work^Seony> 넵 출근하고 뵈요 ㅎㅎ
[23:05] <Dracokr> 포럼 아직 안열리네요.
[23:05] <Dracokr> 즐거운 출근 돠시길
[23:14] <Work^Seony> 포럼서버에 ssh 접속이 안되는걸 보니...
[23:30] <Dracokr> 서버 자체가 멈춘건가...
[23:46] <AutoWiZ_znc> 출근 했어요 ㅎㅎ
[23:55] <razGon_MINILA> AutoWiZ_znc, 축하드려요
[23:56] <AutoWiZ_znc> 음?? 어떤것에 대한 축하인가요? ㅎㅎ
[23:56] <razGon_MINILA> welcome to hell!! ㅋㅋㅋ
[23:57] <jason_> ㅎ
[23:57] <razGon_MINILA> 저도 welcome to war.!
[23:59] <AutoWiZ_znc> hell 이라는 글자에 'o' 하나만 더하면 hello 가 되는 장난같은 인생사~
[23:59] <AutoWiZ_znc> (님이라는 글자에 점하나만 찍으면 도로남이 되는 장난 같은 인생사)
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.354583
| 2015-04-08T00:00:00 |
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-release
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[07:52] <Mirv> hi. we're trying to free up CI silos and there are 3 trusty landings in trusty unapproved queue that have been in the queue 1-4 weeks: indicator-session, unity and compiz
[08:20] <infinity> Mirv: Lemme have a poke.
[08:25] <infinity> rsalveti: 95% of the diff for that hybris upload seems to have nothing to do with the changelog.
[08:34] <Mirv> infinity: thanks. oh right, there is some packages in vivid queue too.
[08:35] <infinity> Mirv: vivid's sorted, except for the hybris I just asked Ricardo about.
[08:53] <infinity> Mirv: BTW, is your team represented at the Launchpad stakeholders' meetings?
[08:53] <infinity> Mirv: Cause there's an item there (soyuz redesign) that could use a vote from you guys, so you don't have to keep bugging is to clear your silos out. :P
[08:56] <Mirv> infinity: which of my teams you mean? :) SDK, Landing team, ?
[08:56] <infinity> Mirv: Any or all who might have interest in the silo->launchpad part of landings being more smooth? :P
[08:56] <infinity> silo->archive, I guess.
[08:56] <Mirv> I guess landing team, sil2100 do you know if anyone from our side participates in ^?
[08:57] <infinity> Mirv: Well, sil2100 has representation from me, as the Foundations rep at the meetings. :P
[08:57] <Mirv> infinity: re: rsalveti's libhybris there is a note: " Pkgdiff is huge because of git-buildpackage, real diff can be found at https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=ubuntu/libhybris.git;a=commitdiff;h=dae292c01471a1c5994c3e17befb90990cbef867;hp=0ecf8ff1f32b0ce360a1b4bc31560e9e4e19def8"
[08:57] <infinity> Mirv: But I wouldn't mind people from !Foundations weighing in.
[08:57] <Mirv> infinity: well then we have representation, and thanks for representing us! :)
[08:58] <Mirv> seriously there is not too many besides sil2100's and robru's possible input that might be needed
[08:58] <sil2100> Yeah ;p
[08:58] <infinity> Mirv: I appreciate that Ricardo thinks that's the real diff, but the rest of his diff really isn't just noise...
[08:59] <Mirv> ok
[09:00] <infinity> Oh, ugh. No, maybe it is. WTF has happened here. :/
[09:00] <infinity> Just randomly moving hunks around willy-nilly. Gross.
[09:00] <infinity> The word for this is "unreviewable".
[09:01] * infinity will attempt to read it anyway.
[09:09] <infinity> rsalveti: Ahh, interdiff to the rescue, it sorted out the old debian-changes and new.
[09:10] <infinity> Mirv: silo land should be happier.
[09:10] <Mirv> nice
[09:17] <rbasak> infinity: so are you waiting for us on the FFe docker bug? Or are you expecting us to do something more?
[09:18] <infinity> rbasak: Sorry, no, I got sidetracked with 1001 things.
[09:19] <infinity> rbasak: Though, I was waiting to see if you were going to cherrypick that one debian bit.
[09:19] <infinity> rbasak: Also, does docker have a testsuite at all, or is it just "it builds, ship it"?
[09:20] <rbasak> infinity: we can, but then I'd ask that we do another QA cycle, which is manual. There's no test suite of which we're aware, so we smoke it by hand ("can we get a shell prompt on an image from the registry?")
[09:21] <rbasak> infinity: so I'd like a final answer, and then we can do it and test it and upload.
[09:21] <rbasak> kickinz1: is there a test suite that upstream use that I don't know about?
[09:21] <infinity> rbasak: If this is our only way out of the compiler/upstream mismatch, I'm not sure I can say "no", as much as I'd like to. :P
[09:23] <infinity> rbasak: Are we going to run into that same problem inverted with the request to SRU newer docker versions to older releases? Cause I really don't like the idea of random packages dictating insanity like uploading new toolchains to stable releases.
[09:23] <rbasak> I'm not sure I'm clear on the mismatch. Apart from it being gccgo vs. golang, we're just using the toolchains in the archive, aren't we?
[09:24] <rbasak> I'm relatively new to Docker - kickinz1 and I are taking it over from jamespage.
[09:26] <rbasak> If a newer docker version SRU requires a newer toolchain, then we'll have a problem that we'll have to tackle somehow (which maybe will mean we won't do it as we want in an SRU)
[09:26] <rbasak> But I don't think that really has a bearing on Docker in Vivid. Right now it's just in Vivid and we want to bump it.
[09:26] <rbasak> Like any other package.
[09:26] <rbasak> (that we might want an exception for)
[09:27] <rbasak> If we don't bump it, we'll be in a worse situation. The only alternative is to remove it, which I don't think we want to do.
[09:27] <rbasak> As it's pointless to ship an old version.
[09:27] <infinity> rbasak: The mismatch I refer to was the claim that the compilers in vivid can't build the docker in vivid -- it's the entire argument for the FFe.
[09:28] <rbasak> Oh, so it FTBFS?
[09:28] <rbasak> I want 1.5 in VIvid for ppc64el support.
[09:28] * rbasak reads the bug
[09:28] <rbasak> I see
[09:29] <infinity> rbasak: This may be specific to the PPC situation, mind you.
[09:29] * infinity tries to remember those calls.
[09:29] <infinity> rbasak: Anyhow, if your by-hand testing has proven that it's not crap, you have my blessing.
[09:30] <infinity> rbasak: If I had my way, docker would be removed from the archive and, shortly thereafter, the internet, but I don't think I'll get to win either of those.
[09:30] <rbasak> infinity: OK. Thanks!
[09:31] <rbasak> kickinz1: do you want to do the cherry-pick then to produce a final debdiff, then test that across every architecture you can? Once that's done we can upload.
[09:31] <rbasak> infinity: I assume arm64 is still if-it-works, and OK to upload if it doesn't?
[09:31] <infinity> rbasak: Err. Well, it should at least build. And work as well as it used to, whatever that was. :P
[09:32] <infinity> rbasak: But it would also be nice to look at why it doesn't work, if it's not working.
[09:32] <rbasak> I believe it never worked, previously built, but now fails to build.
[09:32] <rbasak> infinity: it would be nice, but I'm not sure we have the time this cycle. I have some other things I need to take care of, and kickinz1 is working on Docker for snappy too :-/
[09:33] <infinity> rbasak: And snappy also exists on arm64...
[09:34] <infinity> If it's fundamentally broken in the toolchain or something, I can accept that's the state of things today, but if it's just a "we can't be bothered to investigate" deal, I'm less sympathetic.
[09:35] <rbasak> I'm just focused on doing one thing at once.
[09:35] <rbasak> I wouldn't accept a regression in functionality.
[09:36] <rbasak> But my understanding is that there is no regression in functionality. So I'm focused on enhancing what we have right now, which is to get 1.5 in with ppc64el support within the time we have.
[09:36] <rbasak> I don't think it's fair to use that as a lever to get us to take on new functionality that didn't work before too.
[09:36] <infinity> Well, I'd kinda like to know who decided there was no regression here.
[09:36] <infinity> The mention in the bug is based on hearsay. Not any actual first-hand testing.
[09:37] <rbasak> Would it be sufficient to get a first hand report in the bug confirming that arm64 has never worked previously?
[09:38] <infinity> I see no evidence that you'll get that. :P
[09:38] <rbasak> I will ask
[09:38] <infinity> The claim in the bug report is based on the first attempt in the changelog to enable it and subsequent failure.
[09:38] <infinity> And then doko enabled it in another upload.
[09:38] <kickinz1> rbasak, there is a test suite but it is used when built using docker in docker, I will look if wae can re-use it.
[09:40] <rbasak> infinity: I was under the impression that it didn't work despite a build success.
[09:40] <rbasak> If I'm wrong and it did work then it's reasonable to require that we don't regress it now.
[09:40] <rbasak> I'll ask about it further.
[09:40] <infinity> rbasak: There's no indication of that in the changelog (which was the source referenced in the bug).
[09:42] <infinity> rbasak: Basically, jamespage "enabled" it in ubuntu4, it FTBFS, he disabled it in ubuntu5, and then doko fixed it in the combination of 6+7
[09:44] <jamespage> infinity, rbasak: there was an issue in one of the go deps which caused the build failure
[09:44] <jamespage> I think doko fixed that up and re-enabled the support
[09:44] <jamespage> but afaik its untested in terms of function
[09:45] <infinity> I'd bet some hyperscale people have tried it out, or their customers.
[09:45] <jamespage> infinity, rbasak: that's quite likely - lemme check
[09:45] <rbasak> I see, thanks. I was under the impression that it was actually verified to be broken on arm64.
[09:46] <rbasak> kickinz1: can you see if the latest debdiff builds on arm64 now? doko's latest change makes it actually try gccgo which is what we want I guess.
[09:46] <rbasak> kickinz1: and if it fails, could you post the latest failure log to the bug please?
[09:46] <kickinz1> rbasak: I'll look, but I already tried to build with dyngccgo. Re-trying anyway.
[09:47] <infinity> I'm trying...
[09:49] <jamespage> rbasak, infinity, kickinz1: I've requested test status from the hyperscale engineering manager
[09:55] <infinity> Man, dist-upgrading rugby was a bad idea.
[09:55] * infinity twiddles his thumbs.
[10:04] <infinity> kickinz1|afk: I don't understand how that debdiff works at all, it has build-deps that aren't in Ubuntu...
[10:04] <infinity> Should we, I dunno, sync those? :P
[10:06] <infinity> Ahh, that was mentioned in the bug. Someone should have done that.
[10:06] <infinity> Doing it now.
[10:07] <rbasak> infinity: I thought we needed the FFe approved before syncing those? :)
[10:07] <infinity> rbasak: Nah. Random leaf packages don't break FFe. Hard to freeze features in a package that didn't exist before.
[10:08] <rbasak> OK
[10:56] <infinity> kickinz1: So, the arm64 build dies pretty quickly with:
[10:56] <infinity> obj-aarch64-linux-gnu/src/github.com/docker/libcontainer/namespaces/init.go:202:19: error: reference to undefined identifier 'system.Setgid'
[10:57] <kickinz1> YEs I got this error before (you can see i tin the build logs in the bug comments).
[10:58] <infinity> That seems like something that really shouldn't be arch-specific...
[10:59] <infinity> Oh, you're kidding...
[10:59] * infinity vomits at libcontainer/system/syscall_linux_*
[10:59] <infinity> So, that looks like it'd be trivial to fix, but wow.
[10:59] <rbasak> That sounds like fun.
[10:59] <rbasak> An aversion to libc?
[10:59] <infinity> WAY TO WRITE PORTABLE CODE, PEOPLE.
[11:00] <rbasak> System call numbers are defined in a Linux include file too!
[11:15] <infinity> rbasak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10771978/
[11:15] <infinity> kickinz1: ^-- That makes it build on arm64.
[11:16] <infinity> Err, fix my bad whitespace in that first hunk. :P
[11:16] <rbasak> Thanks!
[11:17] <infinity> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10771992/
[11:17] <infinity> There.
[11:17] <infinity> Prettier.
[11:17] <infinity> It still throws one compiler warning that should porbably be investigated, but otherwise seems fine.
[11:18] <infinity> /usr/lib/gcc/aarch64-linux-gnu/5/libgo.a(syscall.o): In function `syscall.Ustat':
[11:18] <infinity> /build/buildd/gccgo-5-5-20150401/build/aarch64-linux-gnu/libgo/libcalls.go:3356: warning: ustat is not implemented and will always fail
[11:18] <infinity> THat sounds like a toolchain/libgo issue anyway.
[11:18] <infinity> I think.
[11:22] <infinity> rbasak: No idea if it works, given the warning, it might not, but that would be doko's bug, not yours, at least it builds.
[11:28] <infinity> rbasak: Ahh, I don't think docker actually calls ustat, I think it just masks the syscall, so that should be fine.
[11:28] <infinity> rbasak: So, this might actually work.
[12:31] <infinity> mdeslaur: Ew.
[12:31] <mdeslaur> infinity: yeah, Ew++
[12:32] <infinity> mdeslaur: Another one for the "why static linking is bad" bin, if you guys are keeping track so you have ammunition.
[12:32] <mdeslaur> infinity: it's a macro
[12:32] <infinity> mdeslaur: I know.
[12:32] <mdeslaur> oh, I see what you mean, yeah
[12:33] <infinity> mdeslaur: Point being that if the few inline bits from some headers can cause this much hassle, hundreds of thousands of lines of static crap is probably worse. :P
[12:33] <mdeslaur> yeah, exactly
[12:59] <jamespage> ScottK, hey - how are you feeling re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-eventlet/+bug/1424639 ? we've expanded testing - all of our kilo-3 testing was done with this version and I've covered off the other deps manually
[13:04] <ScottK> jamespage: Approved.
[13:10] <sturmflut-work> robru: ping
[15:27] <rsalveti> infinity: hey, got 3 changes for NM, but only one is a bug fix (the other 2 are just removing old code and style cleanup), wonder what would be your opinion on uploading the 3, since while cleanups can help later on when maintaining the code, they are not fixing anything
[15:27] <rsalveti> infinity: the mrs, if you want to take a look first: https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/network-manager/ofono-format-cleanup/+merge/255306
[15:27] <rsalveti> https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/network-manager/ofono-rm-unused-code/+merge/255305
[15:27] <rsalveti> https://code.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/network-manager/lp1418077/+merge/255285
[15:27] <rsalveti> will prepare a landing depending on your feedback
[16:20] <robru> sturmflut-work: hi
[22:09] <infinity> rsalveti: The cleanups are fine, IMO, if they're definitely unused code (the stuff wrapped in "#if 0" is clearly unused, just grep seriously hard to make sure other removed bits aren't referenced or exported somehow)
[23:25] <rsalveti> infinity: yup, cool, thanks
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-motu
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[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[08:06] <Laney> hullo
[08:32] <geser> hello
[09:04] <iulian> Morning.
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ubuntu-chat
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2015-04-08-#lubuntu
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[19:39] <suncokret> when you expect Lubuntu 15.04 to come?
[19:40] <wxl> !release | suncokret
[19:41] <wxl> oops wrong one
[19:41] <wxl> suncokret: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseSchedule
[19:41] <wxl> tl;dr apr 23
[19:41] <suncokret> i know that :)
[19:41] <suncokret> i mean for this new
[19:41] <suncokret> it will be for about 10 days?
[19:41] <wxl> april 23
[19:42] <wxl> 23 - 8 ≠ 10 :)
[19:42] <suncokret> and how long is in plan to keep lxde?
[19:42] <wxl> until lxqt is released
[19:42] <wxl> hopefully 15.10 will be lxqt
[19:43] <suncokret> and 16.04 will be lts?
[19:43] <wxl> yep
[19:43] <suncokret> so it is in plan for 16.04 to be LTS with lxqt?
[19:43] <wxl> there is no set in stone plan
[19:44] <wxl> lxqt needs to be 100% good before we can release it
[19:44] <suncokret> so it have posibility to 16.04 still be with lxde?
[19:44] <wxl> it's possible
[19:44] <suncokret> i hope
[19:44] <wxl> everything's possible
[19:44] <suncokret> because i like lxde
[19:44] <wxl> but lxde is going away
[19:44] <wxl> there's really no development of it happening upstream
[19:44] <wxl> and gtk is fraught with problems
[19:45] <suncokret> and tell me, if 16.04 will be with lxqt, will we have posibility to install lxde too?
[19:45] <wxl> no
[19:45] <wxl> i mean i'm sure it will still be in the repos but we're not going to support it
[19:46] <wxl> it's not going to be a checkbox like "choose between lxqt or lxde"
[19:46] <wxl> if you want to do the work to switch everything out, you can, but you're on your own
[19:46] <suncokret> so it will be in repos like xfce, and we will can install it from repos?
[19:46] <wxl> yep
[19:46] <wxl> until it dies on the vine
[19:46] <wxl> which will eventually happen
[19:47] <suncokret> i didn't try lxqt, is it have very similar look like lxde?
[19:47] <wxl> um
[19:47] <wxl> no
[19:47] <wxl> unless you think lubuntu and kubuntu look a lot a like :)
[19:48] <suncokret> so in future if somebody use lxde it can be problem to run some programs?
[19:49] <wxl> basically the difference between the two is the graphics libraries
[19:49] <wxl> so let's go through some examples:
[19:49] <wxl> * you have lxde (and thus the gtk libraries)
[19:50] <wxl> * you want to use a program that uses qt
[19:50] <wxl> * you install the qt libraries
[19:50] <wxl> * it works
[19:50] <wxl> and vice versa for lxqt and a gtk app
[19:50] <wxl> but:
[19:50] <wxl> you have lxqt and want to use some lxde application (like the old lxpanel or something) -- might be a little funky
[19:53] <suncokret> what is vice versa
[19:53] <suncokret> ?
[19:53] <wxl> in latin, it means "the other way around"
[19:54] <suncokret> so lxqt will have similar lightweight and it will be more configurable?
[19:54] <suncokret> and it will use qt libraries
[19:54] <suncokret> ?
[20:00] <suncokret> which version of Lubuntu you use? i plan to use 14.04 until new LST come, or maybe until it have support :)
[20:34] <wxl> suncokret: yes, lubuntu is still about being lightweight.
[20:34] <wxl> suncokret: i use 14.04 mostly but that's mainly because i'm lazy :)
[20:36] <MajB> wxl: From what I have read LXQT uses only slightly more resources that LXDE uses.
[20:36] <MajB> Most of us are going to bloat it up anyway.
[20:36] <wxl> MajB: no, what you read was that at that current point in development, it used slightly more
[20:37] <wxl> the goal, of course, is to get it on par or less
[20:37] <wxl> which should be attainable
[20:37] <suncokret> i am lazy too, but i think it is better to use 14.04 because it is LTS
[20:37] <wxl> i wouldn't call it "better"
[20:37] <wxl> sometimes more recent software is better
[20:38] <MajB> I use 14.04 but have 14.10 also installed.
[20:38] <wxl> i've used bleeding edge versions full time and never really ran into problems
[20:39] <suncokret> for me is better because it have 3 years support
[20:39] <MajB> I have not had a problem with 14.10 and do not expect to have a problem with 15.04.
[20:40] <MajB> Let's not hang on to 14.04 just because it is LTS. Remember when there was no LTS.
[20:40] <MajB> I have used Lubuntu since before it was an approved flavor.
[20:41] <MajB> Every 6 months we waited to see what the new version would bring.
[20:42] <MajB> There are always problems and most of them get fixed or patched before the release. If not the smart guys/gals come up with a work around. That is part of the fun of using Linux.
[20:48] <suncokret> i don't have time to set 14.10, or 15.04... 14.04 works great for me, i don't have problems
[20:49] <MajB> Great. That too is the beauty of Linux.
[20:52] <suncokret> i have problem... how i can have sound on speakers when i put headphones in?
[20:56] <suncokret> when i put headphones cable in, then i don't know how to change sound to go to speakers, only way is to take headphone cable out
[21:05] <wxl> well said, MajB. with that atittude, i'm surprised you're not an ubuntu member and/or a regular contributor
[21:05] <MajB> suncokret: That is the generally desired outcome. Plug in the headphones and that automatically mutes the speakers.
[21:05] <wxl> suncokret: unmute the speakers
[21:07] <suncokret> how to unmute speakers?
[21:07] <MajB> wxl: I contribute to the Ubuntu forums, Ask Ubuntu, and the LXDE forum. Never got around to applying for membership. Having too much fun doing other stuff.
[21:09] <wxl> suncokret: alsamixer
[21:09] <wxl> suncokret: alternately are running pulseaudio?
[21:10] <wxl> suncokret: you can check with with `ps aux | grep [p]ulse`
[21:10] <MajB> suncokret: Google is a Linux user's second best friend. http://www.googlubuntu.com/results/?cx=006238239194895611142:u-ocqbntw_o&q=How+to+get+speakers+to+work+when+headphones+are+plugged+in&sa=Search&cof=FORID:9
[21:13] <suncokret> i use pulseaudio
[21:13] <wxl> suncokret: if you're running pulse, see here for lots of workarounds https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/921397
[21:13] <suncokret> and in out devices i have analog headphones
[21:13] <suncokret> and analog out
[21:14] <wxl> out is out :)
[21:14] <suncokret> when i choose analog out speakers still don't work
[21:14] <suncokret> only when i plug out headphones, then speakers work
[21:14] <wxl> you need to make it unmuted and pump up the volume
[21:15] <wxl> suncokret: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16306867/xfce-speakers-stays-on-when-headphones-is-connected also might be useful
[21:15] * wxl doesn't like using pulse because then you have to make sure that both pulse and alsa are on the same page
[21:15] <wxl> MajB: ahh well coool. thanks for the help. if you want some help applying for membership, i'd be happy to help.
[21:16] <wxl> MajB: it does have its benefits https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#Benefits_of_Membership (includes a nice cloak on irc so i can't see what your ip address is anymore)
[21:16] <suncokret> that is not same problem
[21:17] <wxl> suncokret: the first one is
[21:17] <suncokret> i go to pulse mixer
[21:17] <suncokret> and when i in out devices choose analog out
[21:17] <suncokret> it is not mute
[21:17] <wxl> is it up all the way?
[21:18] <suncokret> but i hear sound on headphones
[21:18] <suncokret> nothing on speakers
[21:32] <suncokret> now i have sound on speakers too, i disable option auto-mute in alsa mixer, now i have sound on speakers and no headphones
[21:32] <suncokret> is there option auto-mute in pulse audio?
[22:15] <suncokret> thanks for help, good night
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.384448
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-pl
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[12:29] <a55h0l3> co lepsze na slabego lapka? lubuntu czy xubuntu? a moze cos innego?
[12:43] <gjm> imo lubuntu
[12:49] <denysonique> http://parezja.pl/tvn-przylapany-na-klamstwie/
[16:08] <scet> Panowie zainstalowałęm za serwerze munin. Generalnie program działa jednak klidy klikne na wykres i chce zmienić np przedział czasowy wykres się nie łąduje. Spotkał się może ktoś z podobną sytuacją? Działam na Debian7 + nginx
[18:54] <drathir> scet: zapewne z dynamicznym generowaniem problem, w php szukaj moze...
[18:54] <scet> kurde już google przetrzepałem
[18:54] <scet> nic nie pomaga
[18:54] <scet> :/
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.388768
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-kernel
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[00:59] <furkan> hi, i'm just trying to test a regression before submitting a bug report for 3.19.0-12, but i can't seem to download 3.19.0-10 any longer via apt-get - any advice?
[01:00] <furkan> the problem is basically that dpms no longer works - it still works on mainline 4.0 rc7, and it used to work on the vivid 3.19 kernel, so it's definitely an update that broke it, but i just don't know which one
[01:01] <furkan> on 4.0 rc7 it also stops working after suspend/resume, which is how it was originally with vivid's 3.19, but now it doesn't work at all, even after a fresh boot
[02:03] <tmpRAOF> furkan: You can get it from launchpad directly.
[02:04] <RAOF> furkan: Start at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/linux and work through the “releases in ubuntu” links.
[02:23] <furkan> thanks RAOF i'll work through those when i get the chance
[13:18] <rtg> henrix, what are those CVE numbers so I can get them in the commit log ?
[13:18] <henrix> rtg: CVE-2015-2666: f84598bd7c851f8b0bf8cd0d7c3be0d73c432ff4; CVE-2015-2922: 6fd99094de2b83d1d4c8457f2c83483b2828e75a
[13:18] <rtg> henrix, thanks
[13:19] <henrix> rtg: i can also give you the bug # in a min...
[13:19] <henrix> for CVE-2015-2922: bug #1441103
[13:20] <henrix> and bug #1438504
[13:22] <rtg> henrix, done
[13:22] <henrix> rtg: cool, thanks
[18:44] <mssbrg> Hi, I'm doing some testing with thunderbolt on a 14.10 machine, kernel 3.17.8 and I'm experiencing some odd behavior. When I connect my machine to a thunderbolt display, the display works, however there is no thunderbolt driver loaded. Any help?
[18:44] <mssbrg> I'm really just curious how this is happening
[18:45] <apw> mssbrg, well the display is probabally exposed using another driver, and the bus itself is builtin
[18:45] <apw> so you don't necessarily expect to see a driver for the bus enumerator
[18:46] <mssbrg> i would expect to see `thunderbolt` in lsmod, no?
[18:48] <mjg59> No
[18:48] <mjg59> Unless it's an Apple
[18:48] <mssbrg> this is all apple hardware
[18:49] <mjg59> And also still no unless you're running 3.19
[18:49] <mssbrg> apw: also, i don't really follow what you mean by display exposed using another driver/bus is builtin
[18:50] <mssbrg> mjg59: why is that?
[18:50] <mjg59> mssbrg: The Thunderbolt hardware isn't exposed to the OS until we start pretending to be Darwin
[18:51] <mjg59> The hardware itself will handle the displayport layering setup
[18:52] <mssbrg> by hardware, do you mean the intel thunderbolt controller? then what kind of interface is exported to the OS?
[18:56] <mjg59> It just looks like Displayport to the OS
[19:00] <mssbrg> mjg59: so if I upgrade to 3.19 can I expect to see a thunderbolt driver?
[19:06] <mjg59> mssbrg: Yes
[19:08] <mssbrg> mjg59: also, should I currently expect to see a displayport driver in lsmod?
[19:08] <mjg59> No
[19:08] <mjg59> That's handled by the individual graphics drivers and the drm core
[19:10] <mssbrg> ah interesting. but there is /some/ driver in lsmod I should see that is handling the display, right?
[19:10] <mjg59> Yeah, either nouveau or i915
[19:10] <mssbrg> ok cool, i see i915
[19:12] <mssbrg> mjg59: and so in 3.19, I would potentially see thunderbolt instead of i915?
[19:13] <mjg59> mssbrg: No, as well as
[19:13] <mjg59> The thunderbolt driver handles the PCIe hotplug part of Thunderbolt (on Apple - on other systems it's managed by the firmware)
[19:15] <mssbrg> ah ok
[19:16] <mssbrg> unrelated, but are there logs for this channel anywhere?
[19:28] <mssbrg> mjg59: out of curiousity, if I plugged in a non-display thunderbolt device would things be different? still no thunderbolt driver in lsmod?
[19:28] <mjg59> On that kernel? Yeah, and also it wouldn't work.
[19:29] <mssbrg> oh. i thought 3.17 was the first to support thunderbolt
[19:30] <apw> mssbrg, yes this is logged, erm
[19:31] <mjg59> mssbrg: Kind of
[19:31] <mssbrg> apw: are they available? I don't see a url in the topic.
[19:31] <mjg59> It'll work if there's a Thunderbolt device plugged in at boot
[19:31] <mjg59> And it'll stop working if you suspend
[19:31] <apw> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/08/%23ubuntu-kernel.html
[19:32] <apw> mssbrg, ^ they are logged in the same place as "all" ubuntu channels
[19:32] <mssbrg> apw: ty
[19:34] <mssbrg> mjg59: so if I understand correctly, the driver itself only implements the low level pcie communications, and the actual functionality of whatever device is always implemented by another driver?
[19:34] <mjg59> Yes
[20:09] <mssbrg> mjg59: hm, still no thunderbolt driver in lsmod in 3.19. hotplug also doesn't work, even with it manually loaded in. any thoughts?
[20:09] <mjg59> mssbrg: Huh. That surprises me. I'm afraid I don't have time to look at it right now, though
[20:11] <mssbrg> No problem! Any recommendations on anything to try on my own? Either way, thanks for all the help!
[23:19] <RAOF> Oh, that's right. Attempting to restart this box will hang because btrfs has blown up.
[23:21] <RAOF> Damn you, cking, for asking me to test that! :)
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu+1
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[03:36] <furkan> i could have sworn that with 14.04 i could connect my nexus 4 over usb and transfer files back and forth
[03:37] <furkan> can't seem to do that now on 15.04
[03:43] <darthanubis> I have the same phone, but running kubuntu, I was able to transfer files fine
[03:44] <furkan> just tried a different cable and it worked... facepalm
[03:45] <furkan> never had a usb cable go bad before... first time for everything
[03:45] <darthanubis> :)
[08:36] <hedang> rr
[08:41] <hedang> ff
[08:42] <hedang> please tell me , where are me?
[08:43] <hedang> This is my first use irssi
[08:45] <k1l> !topic | hedang
[10:12] <yossarianuk> hi - reading this http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-15-04-Launches-in-Two-Weeks-Will-Be-Based-on-Linux-Kernel-3-19-3-477904.shtml
[10:12] <yossarianuk> it looks like ubuntu 15.04 is going to be based on kernel 3.19.3
[10:12] <yossarianuk> does that mean BTRFS users are screwed ?
[10:12] <yossarianuk> i.e https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gotchas - you need 3.19.4 + or you may have an unbootable system with btrfs
[10:13] <yossarianuk> p.s - cheers - i've been running Kubuntu 15.04 for a few weeks - system is really stable (Plasma5 is great!)
[10:16] <lordievader> For as far as I know, Ubuntu doesn't support btrfs.
[10:17] <yossarianuk> lordievader: when you install the OS BTRFS is an option though
[10:17] <yossarianuk> its not the default
[10:18] <yossarianuk> lordievader: would seem silly to ship the distro with such a potentially severe filesystem bug
[10:18] <yossarianuk> what a point release to the kernel coul;d fix it.
[10:19] <lordievader> That there is an option doesn't mean it is supported ;)
[10:19] <lordievader> But if you are daring enough to go with btrfs I expect you can manage on your own.
[10:22] <yossarianuk> lordievader: sure - but managing it on your own would be easier if the kernel didn't have a severe bug in it.
[10:22] <yossarianuk> Is this the sort of thing that could be backported ?
[10:23] <lordievader> No idea.
[10:23] <yossarianuk> I imagine you will get various bug reports relating to it if not - and blog posts suggesting to stay clear of 15.04 for BTRFS users
[10:23] <yossarianuk> (BTRFS is really nice BTW...)
[10:24] <lordievader> I've heard stories, but I'm still skeptical.
[10:25] <yossarianuk> i.e due to bugs like this :<>
[10:25] <yossarianuk> I use it on home machines only not work
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:41] <mparillo> Does anybody have any Plasma 5 theming tips on an application (passwordsafe) built on wxWidgets?
[13:52] <lolcat> Hello
[13:52] <lolcat> Does zfs work? Will I get graphic drivers?
[14:15] <Voyage_> when will it release?
[14:16] <k1l> 23rd april
[14:16] <Voyage_> thanks
[14:16] <Voyage_> k1l, will that be lts or normal
[14:17] <agronholm> lts releases come every 2 years
[14:17] <agronholm> the last lts was 14.04
[14:17] <k1l> !releases | Voyage_
[14:17] <k1l> read that please
[14:24] <Voyage_> this tells how to upgrage to 15 but its not release yet. how can we upgrade https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseNotes#Get_Ubuntu_15.04
[14:24] <k1l> use the -d switch do get to the developer release
[14:25] <Voyage_> you mean beta release?
[14:25] <k1l> yes
[14:25] <Voyage_> thanks
[14:25] <Voyage_> when is the next LTS release?
[14:25] <ObrienDave> 16.04
[14:26] <Voyage_> hm thanks
[14:26] <k1l> that was already answered several times now
[14:26] <k1l> please read that <ubottu> Voyage_: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[14:26] <Voyage_> ya
[14:26] <Voyage_> just wanted to be sure that its a .04 and .10 combination everytime
[14:26] <k1l> if you have questions after reading that just ask.
[14:26] <ObrienDave> he does not want to read, easier to ask
[14:27] * Voyage_ agrees with ObrienDave
[14:27] * Voyage_ wonders if ObrienDave used to do the same. (he knows about it)
[15:27] <bullgard6> Can I expect from Ubuntu 15.04 a flavour without Upstart but with systemd?
[15:28] <lordievader> bullgard6: All flavours use Systemd, I think.
[15:28] <bullgard6> I see.
[15:28] <elfy> what you can expect is one that boots with systemd, but has upstart in the recovery menu
[15:28] <elfy> as far as I am aware
[15:29] <bullgard6> elfy: Thanky.
[15:29] <bullgard6> elfy: Thanks.
[17:26] <agronholm> I wonder why they still keep some services running with sysv init
[17:26] <agronholm> like postgresql -- I'd like to be able to depend on it but I can't because it's not a systemd service
[20:29] <vitimiti> I am getting an initramfs prompt when booting the system with Unable to find 'writable' partition error. If I exit the prompt it complains that systemctl can't create temporary files. Can somebody help me about this issue? (I'm running in recovery mode from the kernel that is right before the latest one)
[21:13] <scellow> Hey guys how do you run tomcast server with the new systemd thingy ?
[21:14] <scellow> I tried: service tomcat start, but i get this error: Failed to start tomcat.service: Unit tomcat.service failed to load: No such file or directory.
[21:21] <PryMar56> scellow, it might be masked: sudo systemctl list-unit-files | grep mask
[21:23] <PryMar56> or grep for tomcat
[21:32] <vitimiti> Can somebody help with this systemctl "Can't create volatile files or directories" error? I can only boot into the recovery mode of the kernel 3.19.0-10-generic (which is not the last one, either).
[21:46] <lordievader> PryMar56: systemctl can do it's own grepping: systemctl list-unit-files *mask*
[22:46] <agronholm> hi guys. my mouse cursor disappeared. the mouse still works, but the cursor is invisible. how do I restore it?
[22:47] <agronholm> nevermind, switching to console mode and back helped.
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[12:54] <ahayzen> Hey, I've recently become an Ubuntu Member and was wondering how one acquires an Ubuntu Cloak? This is my lp page https://launchpad.net/~ahayzen
[12:54] <k1l> this is the right channel :) now we need to wait for some IRCC member to confirm and then for a staffer to set the cloak.
[12:55] <k1l> congrats ahayzen btw :)
[12:55] <ahayzen> k1l, cool, thanks :)
[13:39] <Fuchs> we could prod Pici with a very pointy stick
[13:39] <Pici> Fuchs: Wouldn't help if I can't find a staffer
[13:43] <Fuchs> aww, mean staffies, are they hiding again
[13:43] <Fuchs> then we could try poking Pricey with a terribly pointy stick, or something :p
[13:43] <Pricey> staffers are always around!
[13:44] <Fuchs> See?
[13:44] * Fuchs eats the pointy stick
[13:46] <Fuchs> (now I just hope that people are not only around but actually get the cloak done!)
[13:47] <Fuchs> (else the pointy stick was pointless)
[13:53] <Pici> Pricey: could you please grant ahayzen an ubuntu/member/ahayzen cloak?
[13:54] <Pici> thanks :)\
[13:56] <Pricey> ahayzen: Congratulations!
[13:56] <ahayzen> Pricey, thanks :)
[13:56] <Fuchs> yay! Congratulations ahayzen, thanks P-people
[13:56] <Pricey> P-people are the best.
[13:56] <ahayzen> thanks do i need todo anything else?
[13:56] <Pricey> ahayzen: sasl ftw. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nocloakonjoin
[13:57] <Fuchs> /nick Phuchs
[13:57] <ahayzen> Pricey, cool i'll have a look into that thanks :) and do i need to join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-cloaks ?
[13:58] <Fuchs> they will put you in there, usually
[13:58] <Fuchs> (them being, in this case, Pici)
[13:58] <Pricey> I haven't a clue, freenode doens't manage that.
[13:58] <ahayzen> ah cool :)
[14:03] <Pici> ahayzen: I'll throw you in that group as soon as my computer starts behaving (don't worry, its running Windows)
[14:04] <ahayzen> Pici, awesome thanks :)
[14:09] <ahayzen> Pricey, hmm i get "SASL is supported but there is no authentication information set for this network(ubuntu servers)." when XChat connects :/ (i've probably done something obvious wrong)
[14:11] <Fuchs> ahayzen: you have to /sasl set it for the correct network (case sensitive)
[14:11] <ahayzen> what would the network be? 'ubuntu servers' or 'freenode' or ?
[14:11] <Fuchs> ahayzen: whatever is written in your XChat Server dialogue
[14:12] <Fuchs> freenode would be the correct name, but chances are, from that error message, that XChat calls it ubuntu servers
[14:15] <Fuchs> ahayzen: in general it's recommended to use HexChat, it's an XChat fork, so you get the same UI, all the same features but some additional ones, including out of the box SASL support
[14:15] <Fuchs> which requires a bit less awkward configuration and has cute GUIs for it
[14:16] <ahayzen> ah that maybe better then :) it doesn't seem to like the space when trying to use set lol
[14:34] <ahayzen> Yey got it all setup thanks folks :)
[14:38] <Fuchs> You're welcome ♥
[14:40] <Pici> yay
[15:18] <Mikaela> I am still worried by XChat being shipped with all distributions or being available in the repos and every distribution adding their own set of patches to it. I have voiced my concern in bug report and question, but I feel like they are ignored and I am worrying it looks like I am attacking the packagers or something.
[15:18] <Mikaela> Another commonly occurring SASL issue is using DH-something instead of PLAIN.
[15:34] <Pici> Mikaela: If you're not getting a response in Ubuntu's bug tracking, you could always try going upstream to Debian
[15:35] <Mikaela> that would probably require installing Debian for reportbug or something and I am not sure how things work on that side
[15:38] <Pici> I'm pretty sure you can just send an email.
[15:42] <Pici> Or just contact the maintainer and see what they say about it
[15:44] <Mikaela> I don't know, I hope they will visit the Ubuntu tracker sometime
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2015-04-08-#maas
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[00:08] <thetrav> is this channel logged?
[00:08] <thetrav> 1 -> is there a mechanism for running an arbitrary script on node start-up (eg, user-data)
[00:09] <thetrav> 2 -> what are MaaS physical zone's all about?
[00:21] <thetrav> 3 -> what causes a node to move from "deploying" state to the next successful state? I've got ssh access to the host and so far as I can tell it's all fine, however it sits in "deploying" for a super long time then moves to "deploy failed" even though the server seems fine
[00:46] <mup> Bug #1441399 was opened: socket.error: [Errno 92] Protocol not available <oil> <MAAS:In Progress by andreserl> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441399>
[01:22] <mup> Bug #1441403 was opened: 1.8b1 Filter by zone is missing <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441403>
[01:22] <mup> Bug #1441404 was opened: 1.8b1 Accessing nodes detail page gets stuck in Loading <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441404>
[01:22] <mup> Bug #1441405 was opened: PXE power-off instead of power controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441405>
[01:52] <mup> Bug #1441408 was opened: 1.8b1 Failed Commissioning Machines are not turned off automatically after they timeout <oil> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441408>
[04:28] <mup> Bug #1418157 changed: Install failed: Unexpected EOF in archive <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1418157>
[07:44] <mup> Bug #1441467 was opened: Adding a node in the UI requires specifying a power controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441467>
[07:44] <mup> Bug #1441471 was opened: MAAS python-vmomi power type: can't "add chassis" twice <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441471>
[07:50] <mup> Bug #1441467 changed: Adding a node in the UI requires specifying a power controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441467>
[07:50] <mup> Bug #1441471 changed: MAAS python-vmomi power type: can't "add chassis" twice <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441471>
[07:56] <mup> Bug #1441467 was opened: Adding a node in the UI requires specifying a power controller <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441467>
[07:56] <mup> Bug #1441471 was opened: MAAS python-vmomi power type: can't "add chassis" twice <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441471>
[07:56] <mup> Bug #1441472 was opened: mass-cli "nodes new" command: autodetect_nodegroup parameter is undocumented <api> <doc> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441472>
[07:59] <mup> Bug #1441472 changed: mass-cli "nodes new" command: autodetect_nodegroup parameter is undocumented <api> <doc> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441472>
[08:14] <mup> Bug #1441472 was opened: mass-cli "nodes new" command: autodetect_nodegroup parameter is undocumented <api> <doc> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441472>
[08:44] <mup> Bug #1441497 was opened: DNS in deployed nodes not set correctly <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441497>
[08:56] <mup> Bug #1441497 changed: DNS in deployed nodes not set correctly <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441497>
[09:05] <mup> Bug #1441497 was opened: DNS in deployed nodes not set correctly <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441497>
[11:38] <mup> Bug #1441467 changed: Adding a node in the UI requires specifying a power controller <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441467>
[12:51] <mup> Bug #1441606 was opened: Error: Page not found The requested URL /MAAS/nodes/ was not found on this server. <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441606>
[12:51] <mup> Bug #1441610 was opened: 1.8b1 Machines get stuck in releasing for a long time <oil> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441610>
[12:57] <mup> Bug #1441612 was opened: 1.8b1 Red outline on node name <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441612>
[13:09] <mup> Bug #1441612 changed: 1.8b1 Red outline on node name <ui> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441612>
[13:21] <mup> Bug #1441612 was opened: 1.8b1 Red outline on node name <ui> <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441612>
[13:27] <mup> Bug #1441621 was opened: 1.8b1 Padding between edit node name and save button <ui> <MAAS:New for ricgard> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441621>
[13:27] <mup> Bug #1441624 was opened: MAAS doesn't support using an upstream proxy <landscape> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441624>
[14:39] <mup> Bug #1441652 was opened: 1.8b1: 502 Proxy Error when trying to access MAAS in browser <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441652>
[14:39] <mup> Bug #1441653 was opened: 1.8 V1: juju bootstrap failed - got error back from server: 502 Proxy Error <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441653>
[15:09] <mup> Bug #1441653 changed: 1.8 V1: juju bootstrap failed - got error back from server: 502 Proxy Error <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441653>
[15:09] <mup> Bug #1441682 was opened: 1.8beta1: RAM units is given as GB on node details page, instead of GiB <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441682>
[15:21] <mup> Bug #1441684 was opened: Add test for SO_REUSEPORT and add warning log if kernel does not support it <tech-debt> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441684>
[15:21] <mup> Bug #1441686 was opened: 1.8beta1: Storage sizes displayed as floating point <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441686>
[15:33] <mup> Bug #1441684 changed: Add test for SO_REUSEPORT and add warning log if kernel does not support it <tech-debt> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441684>
[15:33] <mup> Bug #1441686 changed: 1.8beta1: Storage sizes displayed as floating point <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441686>
[15:39] <mup> Bug #1441684 was opened: Add test for SO_REUSEPORT and add warning log if kernel does not support it <tech-debt> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441684>
[15:39] <mup> Bug #1441686 was opened: 1.8beta1: Storage sizes displayed as floating point <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441686>
[17:27] <mup> Bug #1441756 was opened: Manager service is not sending limit to region <ui> <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441756>
[17:39] <mup> Bug #1441756 changed: Manager service is not sending limit to region <ui> <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441756>
[17:42] <mup> Bug #1441756 was opened: Manager service is not sending limit to region <ui> <MAAS:In Progress by blake-rouse> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441756>
[19:37] <serverascode> hi, how can I assign static IPs to servers, aka mac addresses? I want to manually assign them...anyone have pointers on doing that with maas?
[19:41] <roaksoax> serverascode: only available in MAAS 1.7 or 1.8b1+
[19:41] <roaksoax> serverascode: maas admin node claim-sticky-ip-address
[19:41] <roaksoax> serverascode: maas admin node claim-sticky-ip-address --help
[19:41] <serverascode> ok cool thanks will chekc that out
[20:28] <mup> Bug #1441837 was opened: [1.8b1 devices] Can't add a device with multiple NIC's <oil> <MAAS:Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441837>
[20:28] <mup> Bug #1441841 was opened: [1.8b1 devices] Can't add a device that has IP address that it is within the wider range MAAS manages, but not within Dynamic/Static range MAAS manages <oil> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441841>
[21:10] <mup> Bug #1441851 was opened: 1.8b1: Can't view list of nodes for a physical zone <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441851>
[21:25] <mup> Bug #1441851 changed: 1.8b1: Can't view list of nodes for a physical zone <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441851>
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1436277 changed: No error message when the websocket connection times out <websockets> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1436277>
[21:28] <mup> Bug #1441864 was opened: 1.8b1: Can't filter servers by owner correctly if owner is subset of another owner <oil> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441864>
[23:55] <mup> Bug #1441472 changed: mass-cli "nodes new" command: autodetect_nodegroup parameter is undocumented <api> <doc> <MAAS:Triaged by mpontillo> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441472>
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.435256
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-fi
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[12:45] <thonza> Moi. Liitysko joku yks windows-fi apuun?
[12:52] <Tekno_> täh
[13:01] <elias_a> Olisko myrskyllä osuutta asiaan. :P
[13:09] <Mikaela> ainut tietämäni Windows-kanava on ##windows freenodessa ja jos tuossa kysyttiin juuri apua Windowsille, ei kiitos, olen tänään käsitellyt sitä liikaa
[15:16] <elias_a> Onkos jollain 15.04 käytössä? Kuinka vakaa se on?
[15:19] <Mikaela> täällä on toisella koneella Ubuntu MATE, tuntuu vakaalta ja muut käyttäjät eivät ole valittaneet mitään. Ei myöskään tule pop-uppeja siitä miten ohjelma X on kaatunut ja paina tästä lähettääksesi raportin
[15:20] <tale> elias_a: Kaveri on sitä käyttänyt. Kuulemma OK.
[15:20] <Mikaela> yllättävän vakaa verrattuina aikaisempiin kehitysversioihin
[15:20] <tale> elias_a: Sehän pitäisi olla julkaisukunnossa 3 viikon päästä, eli kai se nyt on jo aika lopullinen.
[15:22] <Mikaela> niin ja julkaisukandidaateista luovuttiin myös jonkin aikaa sitten ja nykyään on vain kaksi betaa vai oliko kolmaskin, joista viimeisin korvaa sen.
[15:22] <elias_a> tale, Mikaela: törmäsin minulle täysin fataaliin bugiin 14.10:ssa ja mietin nyt, että koitanko kehitysversiota vai menenkö takaisin LTS:ään.
[15:23] <elias_a> Kas tässä: http://askubuntu.com/questions/541635/no-audio-in-rendered-video-files
[15:23] <tale> Minä käytän vain LTS:iä.
[15:23] <elias_a> "Ihan vähän vaan rikki jutskat"
[15:23] <elias_a> tale: Kurkkaatko onko siinä korjattu tuo?
[15:25] <tale> elias_a: Ei ole openshottia asennettuna.
[15:28] <elias_a> tale: Riittää kun kurkkaan noiden kahden, libmlt6 ja libmlt++3 versiot.
[15:28] <elias_a> tale: Tarkoitin, että kurkkaat... jos vain viitsit. :)
[15:34] <tale> Paketti: libmlt6 (0.9.0-3) Paketti: libmlt++3 (0.9.0-3)
[15:36] <elias_a> tale: Kiitos!
[15:37] <elias_a> Koitanpa suostuisiko kehitysversio asentumaan nätisti. Jos ei, palataan sitten LTS-versioon.
[17:01] <shanttu> iltaa. asensin vaarin koneeseen taannoin xubuntun ja herra on ollut tyytyväinen. nyt kuitenkin vaihtui taloyhtiön operaattori ja netti on ainakin päällisin puolin mykkä. ethernet-kaapelilla kiinni datapistokkeessa. onko niin, että voisi jotenkin säätää asetuksia vai pitäisikö yhteuden vain toimia? joo, on osin off topicia, sori
[17:03] <shanttu> kun tiedotteessa kerran lukee ettei tartte tehdä mitään niin luulisi ettei mitään tartte tehdä. olivat olleet operaattorilla ihmeissään kun ei ole windows eikä vaari tietty osaa säätää mitään
[17:07] <ansa> no jos on käynnistetty kone uusiksi niin sitten menee oudoksi, oletettavasti tuolla kuitenkin on joku dhcp tms. ollut käytössä?
[17:08] <Echramath> Jos ei tarvi säätää, niin ei kai siellä nyt pppoe voi olla
[17:09] <shanttu> reboot oli eka ohje ja että tsekkaa kaapelit.
[17:09] <Echramath> Se operaattorille esitettävä kysymys on toki se, että ei sunkas siellä mitään normi ethernet/tcp/ip:stä eroavaa ole
[17:09] <shanttu> olivat kysellee elisalla vaikka mitä vaarille hepreaa. kobvati vaan painotin että niiden päässä oikeasti vika
[17:10] <Echramath> Onko se vaari kaukana?
[17:10] <shanttu> sen verran etten ehdi sinne silloin kun elisan asiakaspalvelu pelittäää, luulen
[17:12] <ansa> eikö noi vikailmoitukset oo auki 24H, jos siis pääsee itse tarkistamaan että esim. fyysinen verkkoyhteys nousee, ehkä myös että kysytäänko dhcp:lla osoitetta, saadaanko vastausta tms.
[17:12] <Echramath> Mulla on kyllä jostain syystä kone herännyt viime aikoina 1/3 kerroista ilman IP-osoitetta
[17:12] <Echramath> Eikä auta mikään ifup/ifdown
[17:13] <ansa> mulla virtualboxissa ubuntu jää usein ilman osoitetta, mutta siihen joutuu käynnistämään sen guestin uusiksi
[17:14] <shanttu> kaipa ne on auki. just sitä mietinkin että onhan se vikapäivystyksen paikka tässä eikä sano siellä että sun asetuksissa vika, soita omagurulle
[17:15] <tale> shanttu: Kuinka kauan sitten operaattori vaihtui? Ehkä DHCP:llä riittää vielä vanhaa liisausta eikä se kysy uusia asetuksia.
[17:15] <Echramath> Siellä nyt pitäisi varmaan ekana katsoa, että mitä ifconfig sanoo
[17:16] <Echramath> Parhaimmillaan siellä on toimiva verkkoliikenne mutta nimipalvelu on syystä X jäänyt vanhalle operaattorille
[17:16] <shanttu> eilen puoliltapäivin stoppasi
[17:16] <shanttu> eilen kuulemma myös vaihtui
[17:16] <Echramath> Eikö nyt dhcp muuten bootissa sentään tarkista, että saisiko tämän vanhan osoitteen?
[17:17] <shanttu> olisko siinä joku helppo reset-komento jonka voisin pyytää ajamaan?
[17:17] <shanttu> kyllä herra terminaalin saa auki
[17:18] <shanttu> kun piuhan päässä on niin luulisi ettei mitään ainakaan menetä
[17:18] <Echramath> pingkaa 8.8.8.8
[17:18] <Echramath> Pingaako?
[17:19] <tale> Tällä prosessilla on nettiviat tavannut löytyä: http://porixi.l-a.fi/Apua
[17:19] <jjo> pingaa
[17:20] <shanttu> soitan vaarille just
[17:20] <Echramath> Onkohan siellä tarvinnut tehdä asuntokohtaisia kytkentöjä
[17:21] <Echramath> Ei meinaan vallan mahdotonta, että kämppä on jäänyt kytkemättä kokonaan
[17:21] <ansa> Echramath, jep, sopivasti vaikka patch-kaapeli huonosti kiinni..
[17:22] <ansa> jos siis seinästä tulee oikeasti ethernettiä
[17:22] <tale> Tässä talossa 27 asuntoa. Kahdessa ei taloyhtiölaajakaista toiminut. Yhdessä oli ilmeisesti seinäpistorasia vallan kytkemättä ja toisessa lienee ristikytkennän päässä ollut johto väärin.
[17:23] <tale> Lisäksi melkein kaikissa jouduin käymään, kun asentajat oli ainoastaan minun kämpässäni kirjoittanut pistorasioihin mikä johto menee minnekin.
[17:28] <shanttu> ei pingaa 8.8.8.8
[17:29] <Echramath> Onko se saanut ip:tä?
[17:29] <Echramath> Ja palaako ledissä valo... tälle kai oli joku tekninenkin menetelmä...
[17:29] <shanttu> ei pala vissiin valo
[17:31] <Echramath> Olisikohan joku joka voisi tunkea sinne läppärin
[17:31] <shanttu> xubuntun notifikaatio heittää "verkkoyhteys katkaistu" tasaisin väliajoin
[17:34] <shanttu> hiljaista on. huomenna puhelua elisalle. apua oli, kiitos.
[19:23] <thonza> Moi. Lollipopin asennus tietokoneelle onnistuu täydellisesti ilman internettiä mutta kun sitten yritin verkkoon päästa niin jokin meni vikaan.
[19:24] <elias_a> thonza: Android Lollipopin?
[19:24] <thonza> Yritänä nyt sitten verkon kanssa. palataan asiaan kohta puoleen.
[19:25] <elias_a> :O
[20:10] <thonza> oli hieno koittaa
[20:12] <Tekno_> ahaa
[20:13] <thonza> Onnistu asentamaan off/on verkos kaikki ajutit
[20:14] <Tekno_> cool
[20:15] <thonza> Makia olis kiva tietää koska tuolla pääsee verkkoon ja silleen
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-unity
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[08:09] <Mirv> Saviq: I wonder if bug #1437181 could be checked at some point, maybe it's also some #include problem like unity8 had?
[08:10] <Mirv> I thought maliit-framework was the only one failing but then I remembered qtmir didn't have a fix too yet
[08:11] <Saviq> Mirv, totally, should be a simple fix
[08:17] <Saviq> Mirv, actually, not as easy, there was some refactoring there
[08:17] <Saviq> I'll ask Gerry to have a look
[08:18] <tsdgeos> Saviq: how are the qmltests as packaging going?
[08:18] <tsdgeos> last i remember i tried some qmluitests in qt 5.5 and was crashing
[08:18] <tsdgeos> so having them may be a good thing so we don't overlook those crashes :D
[08:19] <Saviq> tsdgeos, they not in the current sprint backlog ;)
[08:19] <tsdgeos> oh
[08:30] <Mirv> Saviq: okay, thanks
[08:37] <Mirv> tsdgeos: so you think https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/109859/ + https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/109860/ probably not that necessary since those are not included yet in our package?
[08:37] <Mirv> probably not a solution to the Plasma problem anyway
[08:38] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i think they're not the crash fixes
[08:38] <tsdgeos> i asked to thiago yesterday and he said it was the one i asked you to update
[08:38] <tsdgeos> but obviously isn't
[08:38] <tsdgeos> Mirv: for completion we can include them though
[08:39] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i'll download the patches and check again later i guess
[08:40] <Mirv> ok. and indeed no help from the yesterday's.
[08:40] <Mirv> (just triple checked that yes the new patch is added to the series file at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/202369807/qtbase-opensource-src_5.4.1%2Bdfsg-2ubuntu6_5.4.1%2Bdfsg-2ubuntu7~vivid1~test1.diff.gz :)
[10:14] <Saviq> dednick, tsdgeos, can you please make all the autopilot-related fixes base on one another, so that we have a clear view on the "top" MP of what we achieved with the whole chain of MPs?
[10:15] <tsdgeos> Saviq: there's just one branch
[10:15] <tsdgeos> Saviq: there other two branches are in autopilot
[10:15] <Saviq> right
[10:15] * Saviq should read more
[10:15] <Saviq> carefully
[10:15] <tsdgeos> the autopilot branches are merged upstream
[10:16] <tsdgeos> but still not released as far as i understood
[10:22] <tsdgeos> wohohoho someone fixed that you can now "cd" into the output folder of stuff like http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-builder-vivid-armhf/2103/artifact/work/output/*zip*/output.zip without having to chmod it!
[10:28] <greyback> oh yay
[12:32] <tsdgeos> dandrader: the launcher feels different with your patch
[12:33] <tsdgeos> give it a try please
[12:36] <dandrader> tsdgeos, ok
[13:55] <seb128> bah, unity8-dash just segfaulted on my bq rtm after uninstalling a click from the dash
[13:59] <tsdgeos> seb128: backtrace?
[14:00] <seb128> tsdgeos, of course not :-(
[14:00] <seb128> does anyone know why unity8 apport collect keep having no coredumps?
[14:01] <seb128> is that because the collecting job doesn't have enough memory to process?
[14:01] <Saviq> seb128, memory usually, yeah
[14:01] <Saviq> seb128, there should be a .crash at least
[14:01] <seb128> that's weird
[14:01] <seb128> there is
[14:01] <Saviq> but a corrupted one
[14:01] <seb128> but no dump or stacktrace
[14:01] <seb128> it's not corrupted
[14:01] <seb128> it just doesn't contain a coredump
[14:01] <Saviq> there should be a reason in it
[14:02] <tsdgeos> Mirv: ping
[14:02] <seb128> which is weird, I though that in case with enoenoughmemory the apport log was supposed to state the reason
[14:02] <seb128> which doesn't
[14:02] <seb128> Signal 11
[14:04] <Mirv> tsdgeos: pong
[14:05] <tsdgeos> Mirv: i think https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/109632/ and QDBusServiceWatcher-Move-the-logic-to-QDBusConnectio.patch don't match
[14:09] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yes, it looks like the one in the build is not the latest patch set
[14:09] <tsdgeos> Mirv: probably i didn't see the difference in this whole lot of patches
[14:09] <tsdgeos> Mirv: can you update it?
[14:11] <Mirv> tsdgeos: yes, updating, need to hand copy just these QDBusUtil::dbusService() <-> *busService() differences
[14:11] <tsdgeos> yeah
[14:11] <tsdgeos> i saw that i forgot to tell you to put the first patch of the series, that basically does that, and it wasn't a good idea
[14:12] <tsdgeos> but adding it right now is not probably a good idea either
[14:12] <tsdgeos> since you'd need to change the others
[14:12] <tsdgeos> you already changed
[14:13] <Mirv> right
[14:13] <Mirv> ok, pushing a build
[14:14] <tsdgeos> thanks!
[16:47] <seb128> tsdgeos, Saviq, I can reproduce that crash easily enough by uninstalling reminder on rtm 265
[16:47] <seb128> Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error.
[16:47] <seb128> 0xb68a0392 in QQuickItem::y() const ()
[16:47] <seb128> from /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libQt5Quick.so.5
[16:51] <seb128> tsdgeos, Saviq, seems like the fix from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1433056 should resolve that one
[16:52] <seb128> need to update to 266 :-)
[17:02] <tsdgeos> seb128: please, see if that helps
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.452948
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2015-04-08-#ubuntustudio
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[08:47] <vlt> Hello. What tool can I use to compare two images and get an amount of similarity? For example: Image A is a screenshot of a movie and I want to compare it to (a sequence of still images of the) movie and find the timestamp it was taken. Any idea?
[08:51] <vlt> vlt: "findimagedupes" seems to do exactly that ;-)
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.454839
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-us-pa
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[09:32] <rmg51> Morning
[10:18] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:04] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples and whatever else is around
[13:49] <lazyPower> o/
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"JonathanD",
"lazyPower",
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-gr
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[07:19] <Tassos> Καλημέρα ! :)
[07:19] <salih-emin> Καλημέρα Tassos
[07:20] <Tassos> salih-emin: καλή σου μέρα :)
[07:20] <Tassos> δυστηχώς όμως μου έχει προκύψει και ένα θέμα παιδιά
[07:21] <Tassos> εχθές είπα να κάνω το τελευταίο update της μητρικής μου και έπειτα μου έχει σπάει τα νέυρα ένα μικρός τσιριχτός ας πούμε
[07:21] <Tassos> ήχος που ακούγετε
[07:21] <Tassos> :/
[07:21] <salih-emin> τι Update ?
[07:22] <salih-emin> ΒΙΟΣ ?
[07:22] <salih-emin> BIOS ?
[07:22] <Tassos> έκανα μετά και όλα τα άλλα updates έπειτα ( ένα δύο που δεν είχα κάνει )
[07:22] <Tassos> και ακόμη όμως συνεχίζει :@
[07:23] <Tassos> η μητρική πλακέτα μου είναι η asus sabertooth 990fx r2.0 : http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/SABERTOOTH_990FX_R20/
[07:24] <salih-emin> δεν μου είπες όμως τι είδους update έκιανες... λες "έκανα update την μητρική"
[07:24] <Tassos> μισό να ανεβάσω και δύο φωτό
[07:24] <Tassos> το bios κυρίως ήθελα να κάνω ( και έκανα ) και έπειτα ότι drivers έδεινε τους έκανα εγκατάταση
[07:25] <Tassos> α! τα έκανα εγκατάστασή από windows 7
[07:25] <salih-emin> όπα
[07:25] <salih-emin> μισο μιλάμε για windows 7 ?
[07:26] <Tassos> ( έχω σε έναν σκληρό πεταμένα κάτι εφτάρια μέσα είπα να κάνω από εκεί τα updates αφού για linux δε δίνουν κάτι -.- )
[07:26] <Tassos> ναι από windows 7 64 bit έκανα τις ενημερώσεις
[07:27] <Tassos> αλλά με linux ( ubuntu 12.04 ) δουλεύω αποκλειστικά - τα windows τα έχω απλώς όπως είπα σε ένα σκληρό ΜΗΠΩΣ χρειαστούν
[07:27] <salih-emin> οκ ποιος ο λόγος που έκανες τα update ? υπήρχε κάτι στα update που χρειαζόσουν ?
[07:27] <salih-emin> για να δούμε μοίπως κάτι έγινε με τα update του bios
[07:28] <Tassos> και έκανα τα updates μέσο windows διότι είπα να μην παιδεύομαι τώρα
[07:30] <Tassos> ναι ήθελα να κάνω το update στο bios διότι υπήρχε ένα αναμένο σπαστικό led ( κόκκινο ) πάνω στην μητρική που έλεγε
[07:30] <Tassos> "boot_device_led"
[07:31] <salih-emin> α οκ
[07:31] <salih-emin> διορθώθηκε αυτό ?
[07:31] <Tassos> ήταν κόκκινο και έλεγα δε πρέπει να σημαίνει και κάτι καλό.. έτσι είπα ρε γαμώτο ας κάνω ένα update στο bios που είναι παλιό
[07:31] <Tassos> και έτσι το έκανα
[07:31] <Tassos> και ναι
[07:31] <Tassos> έφυγε πλέον αυτό το led δεν ανάβει
[07:31] <Tassos> αλλά
[07:32] <Tassos> αλλά υπάρχει το αλλά ( δυστυχώς όπως ξέρει και ο φίλος εδώ ο kerato πάντα υπάρχει ένα αλλά σε εμένα ^_^ )
[07:32] <Tassos> αλλά υπάρχει πλέον ενα μικρό "τσιρ..τσιρρ..τσιρ" που ακούγετε αν παρατηρήσει κανείς με προσοχή
[07:33] <Tassos> έχω και το κουτί πάνω στο γραφείο και ακούγετε, πριν αυτό δε το έκανε!
[07:34] <kerato> poios mala
[07:34] <kerato> ganas
[07:35] <kerato> ela taso kalhmera
[07:35] <kerato> tsir tsir e? :p
[07:35] <salih-emin> xaaxaaxaxxa
[07:35] <salih-emin> κάποιο πινίο κατουράει
[07:35] <salih-emin> δεν εξηγείται αλλιώς
[07:36] <Tassos> axaxaxxa ναι τσιρ τσιρ ^_^
[07:36] <Tassos> αχαχαχ
[07:36] <Tassos> ακούγετε κάπως
[07:36] <Tassos> αλλά τώρα επειδή το έχω από εχθές αυτό και μου έχει σπάσει τα νεύρα ( δεν ακούγετε πολύ αλλά ξέρετε το έχω σταμπάρε
[07:37] <Tassos> ) και μου έχει σπάσει τα νεύρα :@
[07:37] <kerato> epeidi de mporw na katalavw me to tsir tsir pou les
[07:37] <kerato> einai apo kapoio fan? h' einai ypsisyxnos hxos (apo kapoio pyknwth)
[07:38] <Tassos> δε ξέρω γαμώτο πάνω στην μητρική πρέπει να είναι
[07:39] <salih-emin> e brew to re
[07:39] <salih-emin> ε βρές το ρε
[07:39] <salih-emin> τι θες να κάνουμε εμείς απο εδω
[07:39] <salih-emin> βρες το ριμάδι απο που βγάινει
[07:39] <salih-emin> :P
[07:39] <Tassos> είχα ανοίξει το κουτί και το είχα ανοιχτό, έβαζα το κεφάλι μου μέσα ΜΠΑΣ και καταλαβω από που ακριβώς είναι αλλά..
[07:39] <salih-emin> na b;aleiw k;apoion ;allon
[07:39] <salih-emin> να βάλεις κάποιον άλλον
[07:40] <Tassos> τι άλλον ;
[07:40] <Tassos> driver στο bios λες;
[07:40] <salih-emin> το bios δεν έχει drivers
[07:40] <salih-emin> το bios είναι bios
[07:40] <salih-emin> ενα firmaware είναι και το κάνεις update
[07:41] <Tassos> το σκέφτηκα και εγώ να έκανα μια υποβάθμιση σε μια προηγούμενη έκδοση από την τελευταία
[07:41] <salih-emin> δεν μπορείς
[07:41] <Tassos> 0.0
[07:41] <salih-emin> τι ειναι ρε το bios ?
[07:41] <Tassos> δε γίνεται να πάω πίσω;
[07:41] <salih-emin> ΚΕΝΤΡΟ ΛΟΓΙΣΜΙΚΟΎ ?
[07:42] <salih-emin> α .... δεν μου άρεσε το τάδε... κάτσε να κάνω απεγκατάσταση να βάλω την παλιά έκδοση
[07:42] <salih-emin> αμ δεεε...
[07:42] <salih-emin> Λύση
[07:43] <salih-emin> σου έχω λύση την οποία θα εγκρίνει και ο kerato
[07:43] <kerato> na forsei akoustika?
[07:43] <salih-emin> Tassos, την επόμενη φορά που θα κάνεις μπάνιο, Μην χρησιμοποιήσεις μπατονέτες
[07:43] <salih-emin> σε 2-3 μπάνια
[07:43] <kerato> lol
[07:43] <salih-emin> δεν θα ακούς τίποτα
[07:43] <salih-emin> ασε το αυτι σου να μονοθεί απο το κερί
[07:44] <salih-emin> χαλάρα δεν θα ακούς τιποτα
[07:44] <salih-emin> :)
[07:45] <salih-emin> (o άνθρωπος έχει τον πόνο του και εμείς τον δουλεύουμε )
[07:45] <salih-emin> απαράδεκτοι
[07:46] <Tassos> χαχαχχ θα ήθελα να γελάσω περισσότερο μάγκες
[07:46] <kerato> mallon kapoios pyknwths sfyrizei den einai tipota
[07:46] <Tassos> αλλά φοβάμαι μην υπάρχει και κάποιο θέμα
[07:46] <Tassos> κάτι καεί δε ξέρω.. τι να πω..
[07:47] <salih-emin> θα έχει κάποια στιγμή ναι
[07:47] <kerato> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coil_noise
[07:47] <salih-emin> θέλει πολύ καλό φως
[07:47] <kerato> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction
[07:48] <Tassos> ορίστε;
[07:48] <Tassos> τι θα έχει ;
[07:48] <Tassos> τι φως; :P
[07:49] <Tassos> ορίστε και οι φωτογραφίες από το bios :
[07:50] <Tassos> http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd487/learn1000/IMG_07042015_125527.jpg
[07:50] <Tassos> μετά το update :
[07:50] <Tassos> http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd487/learn1000/IMG_08042015_100700.jpg
[07:52] <salih-emin> σορρυ είιμαι και δουλεια βλέπεις
[07:52] <salih-emin> και χτυπάνε και τηλ
[07:52] <salih-emin> να θέλει φως καθαρό να δεις καλά τους πικνωτές
[07:52] <salih-emin> δες και τα link που έδωσε ο kerato
[07:53] <salih-emin> όπα
[07:53] <salih-emin> όπα
[07:53] <salih-emin> γιατί στην πρώτη εικόνα η RAM είναι στα 1600ΜΗζ
[07:54] <salih-emin> ενώ στην άλλη ειναι στα 1333ΜHz ?
[07:54] <salih-emin> eeee ? ωεο ?
[07:54] <Tassos> ΩΠ! NAI
[07:54] <Tassos> :/
[07:54] <Tassos> γιατί... ;; :|
[07:54] <salih-emin> εσυ θα μου πεις
[07:54] <salih-emin> κάτι έκανες
[07:54] <salih-emin> κάτι δεν μας λες
[07:54] <Tassos> περιεργο... :@ γαμώτο ένα update πήγα να κάνω για να τα διορθώσω τα πράγματα και αυτό.. :@ :@
[07:55] <Tassos> όσο για το φως...
[07:55] <Tassos> τι αν βλέπω καλά θα το δω; :P
[07:55] <salih-emin> φουσκομα
[07:55] <kerato> e valthn pali sta 1600 re mimh
[07:55] <kerato> eee taso
[07:55] <salih-emin> ere Tassos
[07:55] <salih-emin> e re Tassos
[07:55] <salih-emin> ax
[07:55] <Tassos> τι ρε παίδες ;
[07:55] <salih-emin> :)
[07:55] <Tassos> τι έγινε; ^_^
[07:55] <Tassos> ( μακάρι να είναι κάτι απλό
[07:55] <Tassos> )
[07:56] <Tassos> ( και να μην χαλασε κάτι )
[07:56] <Tassos> τι φταίει ίσος η ram ?
[07:56] <salih-emin> "μην επισκευάζεις ποτέ κάτι που δεν ειναι χαλασμένο"
[07:56] <Tassos> πως γίνεται να αυξήσω την ταχύτητα της; από το bios ;
[07:56] <salih-emin> να το θυμάσαι
[07:56] <salih-emin> κάενε το εξείς
[07:56] <salih-emin> μιας και έκανες upgrade
[07:57] <salih-emin> πανε στο bios και κάνει ενα RESET to default
[07:57] <salih-emin> ή τελος πάντων όπως το λεει
[07:57] <Tassos> ( έχεις δίκιο άλλα είχα το άλλο το χαμένο το led κόκκινο για αυτό και έκανα ενημέρωση )
[07:57] <Tassos> στις ρυθμίσεις ;
[07:57] <salih-emin> για ενα γαμημένο φωτάκι τώρα...
[07:57] <salih-emin> ναι στο bios
[07:57] <Tassos> όντως.. για ένα κολο φωτάκι
[07:57] <salih-emin> xaxaxa
[07:58] <Tassos> λοιπόν να δω αν πατήσω στα defaulτ αν θα επανέλθει η ram ;
[07:58] <Tassos> αυτό θέλουμ;
[07:58] <salih-emin> ναι
[07:59] <Tassos> φφ.. μμμ.. για να δψ
[07:59] <salih-emin> τα bios μου μέσα
[08:00] <salih-emin> καλομάθαμε με "ανβαθμίσεις" κινητών, τηλεορασών, ψηγίων, και αυτοκινήτων
[08:00] <salih-emin> και τώρα θέλουμε να κάνουμε αναβάθμιση και τα bios
[08:14] <Tassos> φφ,,
[08:15] <Tassos> κάτι δε πάει καλά με το αυτό το bios
[08:15] <salih-emin> μαλλον πρεπει να το πας να το δει κάποιος τεχνικός απο κοντα
[08:15] <salih-emin> γιατί δεν θα μπορέσεις να κάνεις τίποτα αλλο
[08:16] <Tassos> διότι υποτίθεται ότι ήταν στο auto
[08:16] <salih-emin> όταν είναι θέμα hardware εκεί θέλει τεχνικό
[08:17] <Tassos> και είχε την συχνότητα που είχε πάω και την βγάζω από το auto και την βάζω 1600
[08:17] <Tassos> μετά που την έδειχνε στα 1600 πάλι στο auto έδειχνε πως είναι
[08:17] <Tassos> κάνω reset default και τώρα πάλι στα 1600 την έδειχνε :|
[08:18] <Tassos> δε πάει καλά :@
[08:18] <Tassos> ( φταίω εγώ να βρίσω την asus μετά; )
[08:18] <Tassos> επίσης ξέρετε τι παρατήρησα και τώρα
[08:19] <Tassos> ότι όσο είμαι στο bios ή μέχρι να με βάλει στο login screen είτε από windows είτε από linux
[08:19] <Tassos> δε κάνε το τσιρ τσιρ
[08:19] <Tassos> μετά το κάνει
[08:19] <Tassos> :@ :@ :@
[08:19] <salih-emin> εχω και εγώ ενα τέτοιο πρόβλημα
[08:20] <Tassos> αλήθεια;
[08:20] <Tassos> τι δηλαδή;
[08:20] <salih-emin> απλά τώρα τελευταία δεν εμφανίζεται έχει σταματίσει
[08:20] <salih-emin> μόλις ξεκινούσε ο δίσκος να φωτώνει το λειτουργικό συστημα
[08:20] <salih-emin> ακουγεται απο τα εσωτερικά ηχεία του ενας παρασιτικός τσιριχτός ήχος
[08:21] <salih-emin> αναγκαζόμουν να βάζω
[08:21] <salih-emin> τα ακουστικά
[08:21] <salih-emin> και να τα αφήνω στην άκρη
[08:21] <salih-emin> για να μην το ακού
[08:21] <salih-emin> κάτι πάιζει με τις ρυθμίσεις του BIOS σου
[08:22] <salih-emin> αν έχεις κάρτα ήχου ξεχωρη απενεργοποίησε την εσωτερική
[08:22] <salih-emin> αν δεν έχεις δοκίμασε μια μια να απενεργοποιείς και να βγάζεις συσκευές
[08:22] <salih-emin> αν δεν το έχεις κάνει ποε
[08:23] <salih-emin> ποτέ
[08:23] <salih-emin> πάνε καλήτερα δωσε το σε κάποιον τεχνικό να στο κοιτάξει
[08:23] <salih-emin> αυτα
[08:23] <salih-emin> αντε καλυη συνέχεια και καλό αποτέλεσμα εύχομαι
[08:24] <Tassos> salih-emin σε ευχαριστώ πολύ για τον χρόνο σου φίλε
[08:24] <Tassos> δε ξέρω.. γαμώτο είναι ακόμη στην εγγύηση
[08:25] <Tassos> αλλά δε μπορώ να το στείλω σε αυτούς και να κάνουν πόσο καιρό μετά να μου απαντήσουν και μη σου πω στο τέλος να μου πουν
[08:25] <salih-emin> τίποτα φίλε να είσαι καλα
[08:25] <Tassos> πως δε βρήκαν και τίποτα ( τους έχω ικανούς ) :@
[08:25] <Tassos> χρειάζομαι τον υπολογιστή :/
[08:25] <Tassos> φφ..
[08:26] <Tassos> όσο για πυκνοτή δε βρίσκω κάτι τώρα.. :/
[08:26] <salih-emin> τότε αρχίζεις το googlαρισμα
[08:26] <salih-emin> και το σκάλκισμα
[08:27] <salih-emin> δες και στο youtube
[08:27] <salih-emin> μπορεί να το έχει και κάποιθος άλλος
[08:27] <salih-emin> δεν είσαι ο μόνος που έχεις αυτή την μητρική
[08:27] <Tassos> επίσης επειδή τώρα προσπαθώ να ακούσω από που έρχεται ο ήχος
[08:28] <Tassos> δεν πρέπει να είναι από κάποιο σκληρό διότι είναι μπροστά οι σκληροί δίσκοι και ο ήχος έρχεται από κάπου πίσω.. :/
[08:28] <Tassos> φφ..
[08:30] <Tassos> ΌΧΙ είμαι σίγουρος πως έρχεται κάπου από πίσω..
[08:30] <Tassos> αυτό που δε σας είπα είναι πως άλλαξα έναν ανεμιστήρα που ήταν του κουτιού και παίρνει και ρεύμα αυτός ( έχει και led πάνψω )
[08:31] <Tassos> αλλά αυτό δε σας το είπα διότι πριν τον αλλάξω ( όταν δεν υπήρχε καν ) είχα κάνει τα updates και έκανε αυτόν τον ήχο
[08:31] <Tassos> ο ανεμιστήρας δεν κάνει κανένα ήχο
[08:32] <kerato> ara h apo th mhtrikh erxetai h apo to trofodotiko
[08:32] <kerato> sthse afti
[08:32] <Tassos> φοβάμαι από το τροφοδοτικό
[08:32] <Tassos> αλλά γιατί;
[08:33] <Tassos> η υποψία ότι είναι από το τροφοδοτικό την ενισχύει η σκέψη ότι είναι 620w
[08:34] <Tassos> και έχω πάνω 2 ssd , 2 hdd, firewire και μετά τα κλασικά
[08:34] <Tassos> αλλά δε νομίζω να μη φτάνει το ρεύμα
[08:34] <Tassos> και άλλωστε γιατί; από την μια στιγμή στην άλλη ; έπειτα από το κολό update ;
[08:35] <Tassos> αφού πριν το update δεν ακουγόταν τίποτα.. :@
[08:35] <Tassos> επίσης κάτι άλλο που ΙΣΟΣ νομίζω
[08:36] <Tassos> παρατηρώ πως όταν ο επεξεργαστής δουλεύει πάνω από το 17,18% ΔΕΝ ακούγετε
[08:36] <Tassos> τώρα δουλεύει στο 7% και ακούγετε
[08:36] <Tassos> μμ.. τι μπορώ να κάνω ώστε να τον αυξήσω.. :/ για να το τεσταρω αυτό
[08:37] <Black_Horseman> anoikse polla tabs se browser
[08:37] <Black_Horseman> me videos
[08:37] <Black_Horseman> kleise ton hxo mi trellatheis
[08:37] <Black_Horseman> kai ta deis
[08:38] <Tassos> να οριστε άνοιξα τον chrome και επειδή είναι πίκρα σκέτη ( έχω 10 tabs ανοιχτά και τρελαίνετε - που να ήταν και ο firefox που έχω 100 )
[08:38] <Tassos> τώρα που λέτε που πήγε η cpu μέχρι το 50+ % για όση ώρα ανέβαινε
[08:38] <Tassos> σταμάτησε
[08:39] <Tassos> μετά μόλις άνοιξε πλήρως μάλλον τον chrome και έβλεπα να πέφτε η cpu σταδιακά ε.. τότε άρχισε πάλι το "τσιρ".."τσιρ.."
[08:39] <Tassos> :@ :@
[08:41] <kerato> tzoni pasxa ti 8a kanete
[08:41] <kerato> 8a fygeis ka8olou
[08:41] <kerato> oops la8os room, anyway
[15:12] <Euaki> Νέα από ubuntusecurity: USN-2559-1: Libtasn1 vulnerability <http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2559-1/>
[19:22] <chrisrer> kalhspera paides einai kaneis edw?
[19:23] <chrisrer> xereis kaneis na xeirizete kala to bind dns server?
[19:24] <chrisrer> thelw na dhmiourghsw ena domain test.lan gia local http server xwris internet
[23:16] <Euaki> Νέα από ubuntusecurity: USN-2563-1: Linux kernel vulnerabilities <http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2563-1/> || USN-2562-1: Linux kernel (Trusty HWE) vulnerabilities <http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2562-1/> || USN-2561-1: Linux kernel (OMAP4) vulnerabilities <http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2561-1/> || USN-2560-1: Linux kernel vulnerabilities <http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2560-1/>
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-dk
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[08:52] <Ubuntubruger1> Hjælp til komplet opsætning af Ubuntu - mht. Sikkerhed - Voip + andre småting ...,- Har været hacket igennem 1 år - er derfor gået over til ubuntu - tog noget tid at lære, but I love it - Den opsætning jeg har i tankerne er over mine kompetencer, men har brug for det - samtidig vil jeg gerne vise andre hvorfor Ubuntu owner windows på alle niveauer ...- nogen der kan hjælpe?
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ubuntu-chat
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"Ubuntubruger1"
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-community-team
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[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[06:52] <dpm> good morning dholbach, welcome back!
[06:52] <dholbach> hey dpm
[06:52] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[06:52] <dholbach> how are you?
[06:53] <elfy> good morning both and assorted lurkers
[06:53] <dpm> :)
[06:53] <dpm> morning elfy
[06:53] <dholbach> hey elfy
[06:53] <dpm> dholbach, good, still catching up a bit after the short break
[06:53] <dholbach> how are you all doing?
[07:05] <dholbach> dpm, ah ok... so I'm not alone with this :-) this morning I felt like somebody needed to bring me up to scratch on what happened in the meantime :-)
[07:10] <dpm> :-)
[07:29] <davidcalle> Good morning :)
[07:29] <dholbach> salut davidcalle
[07:40] * dholbach cycles over to the office - brb
[09:53] <popey> dpm: where did our wednesday meeting go?
[09:53] <popey> (the team one)
[09:57] <dholbach> if we have one today, we should probably have a chat about UOS planning (not sure if you talked about this while I was away....)
[11:10] <dpm> popey, the meeting is still there, but I got a notification that you wouldn't attend it
[11:10] <dpm> perhaps you deleted it by mistake?
[11:10] <popey> it's not even in my calendar at all
[11:10] <czajkowski> there are no words http://dd4814.com/
[11:11] <popey> could you please re-invite me?
[11:11] <popey> czajkowski: handy isn't it?
[11:11] <czajkowski> wow it's orange
[11:11] <popey> and aubergine when you click it
[11:12] <dpm> popey, you are still in the list of attendees, can't reinvite you.
[11:12] <popey> czajkowski: marcoceppi_ made it
[11:12] <popey> dpm: can you remove / re-add?
[11:12] <dpm> yeah, will try that
[11:12] <popey> thanks
[11:13] <marcoceppi_> popey czajkowski you guys will love http://772953.com/
[11:13] <popey> dpm: when did you get that decline?
[11:13] <dpm> popey, you've been reinvited
[11:13] <popey> I didn't do it.
[11:13] <popey> how odd
[11:13] <dpm> popey, I sent you the e-mail I got, that shows when the decline was sent
[11:13] <popey> \o/ it's back now thanks
[11:14] <popey> *boggle*
[11:15] <czajkowski> heh
[16:00] <dholbach> all right my friends - see you tomorrow!
[16:02] <popey> o/
[16:02] <elfy> cya
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"davidcalle",
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"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/08/%23ubuntu-community-team.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-community-team"
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-hr
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[04:20] <Vlado9A3CY> dobro jutro
[05:33] <Mmike> GUT MORGen
[05:41] <calmpitbull> morgen
[05:58] <BotaniCar> Jutro
[06:02] <calmpitbull> kava i pointeri
[07:37] <BotaniCar> Dakle, proizvod se zove "odoo" i logo ( ljubicasti krug) podsjeca na onaj Durexov prsten. Ukupan dojam "za*ebem te i odoo" :) ivoks: ti si rekao da to trosis? :)
[07:38] <ivoks> da, koristim odoo
[07:38] <ivoks> BotaniCar: i zakon je
[07:39] <ivoks> jasno, nije plug and play softver
[07:39] <ivoks> ali uloziti mjesec dana u njega umjesto placati godinama tudji softver...
[07:39] <ivoks> imas nekoliko firmi u hrvatskoj koji ce ti ga sloziti za neki iznos
[07:44] <BotaniCar> ma, ja sam za ono kaj mi treba ( CRM/p. menadzment) skroz zadovoljan s sugar/redmine kombinacijom ; isao sam malo vidjeti kaj ima novo u tom svijetu i u stvari sam ugodno iznenadjen odoom
[07:44] <jelly> jel taj odoo radi domace knjigovodstvo
[07:49] <BotaniCar> Pise da ima knjigovodstveni modul . Nista o prilagodbama lokalnom trzistu.
[07:51] <ivoks> tuna exports from Croatian farms skyrocketed to 4,679 tons in 2003 from 380 tons in 1998
[07:52] <ivoks> eto ti biznisa
[07:52] <ivoks> japanci daju 40$ za kilu tune
[07:52] <ivoks> ja sam ulovio 4 tune prije dvije godine
[07:53] <ivoks> svaka od po 100kg
[07:53] <ivoks> to je skoro 100k kuna
[07:53] <ivoks> za jedan dan posla
[07:53] <ivoks> ok, jedno 1000kn na sardine
[07:54] <ivoks> koji k se ja bavim informatikom
[07:54] <SilverSpace> jutr
[07:54] <ivoks> i to 4 tune, kao amater
[07:54] <ivoks> prvi put vidio stap
[07:54] <ivoks> i zivu tunu
[07:54] <ivoks> profici ulove 8-12
[07:55] <ivoks> jelly: ne koristim ga za knjigovodstvo
[07:55] <ivoks> jelly: ali koristim dijelove za knjig.
[07:55] <ivoks> ne unosim rashode u njega, ali unosim sav prihod
[07:55] <ivoks> znam koliko je tko duzan, koliko tko kasni s kojim racunom
[07:56] <ivoks> sam me obavijesti kada je ugovor pri kraju, a obavijesti i klijenta
[07:56] <ivoks> uz tickete, klijenti imaju uvid i u stanje izdanih faktura, kao i naplacenih faktura
[07:56] <ivoks> poznaje razna te rasclambe po RRIF-u
[07:56] <ivoks> razne
[07:56] <SilverSpace> da je ribu lovit lako ribar bi bio svatko
[07:57] <ivoks> zna sam prepoznati je li se klijentu obracunava pdv ili ne, po zemlji iz koje je
[07:57] <ivoks> itd
[07:57] <ivoks> nije bas idealan za ticketing, ali mi omogucava da tickete vezem na ugovor, pa na pocetku mjeseca sam izgenerira fakture prema obavljenom poslu
[07:58] <ivoks> kao i timesheetove
[07:58] <ivoks> za ugovore s fiksom cijenom sam posalje mail, nemoram opce misliti na to
[07:58] <ivoks> ove s ticketima i timesheetovima ipak provjerim prije slanja
[07:58] <ivoks> vodim i evidenciju radnika u njemu
[07:58] <ivoks> kao i godisnje odmore
[07:59] <ivoks> kliknem na T&M i dobijem popis svih nenaplacenih T&M
[07:59] <ivoks> i tak... dobar je
[08:00] <ivoks> a i ima dobar reporting tool za sve
[08:00] <ivoks> pa tako i za tickete
[08:06] * Mmike se ujeo cvaraka
[08:06] <SilverSpace> eh
[08:06] <SilverSpace> :)
[08:20] <Mmike> bogme
[08:20] <Mmike> sad jos idem kobasice malo calabrcnit
[08:21] <Mmike> materemi
[08:21] <Mmike> keramicki nozevi
[08:21] <Mmike> su fakat ostri
[08:24] <BotaniCar> Ali imaju 457 ogranicenja, te pazi da ne padne, te nemoj u perilicu, te ovo te ono
[08:24] <BotaniCar> I, jesi skuzio koliko kosta brusilo za takve nozeve ? :D
[08:25] <jelly> postoji brusilo?
[08:33] <ivoks> Mmike: imas i keramicko posudje?
[08:34] * jelly ima keramicku salicu
[08:35] <jelly> da bi je koristio moras imati keramicke naplatke na zubima
[08:38] <BotaniCar> Jelly: ostrila na ebayu: https://tinyurl.com/pmz624y
[08:38] <BotaniCar> Ovaj mi je najjaci ( koji bi si eventualno ikad kupio ) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kyocera-Electric-Ceramic-Knife-Sharpener-DS-50-/250720154505
[08:38] <Mmike> ivoks: ne, sam nozeve
[08:38] <Mmike> mislim, imam keramicke salice :)
[08:38] <Mmike> i tanjure :)
[08:38] <Mmike> al' ne lonce i to
[08:39] * BotaniCar pije kavu iz pleh salice, k'o Dzon Vejn
[08:39] <jelly> mmm, kyocera
[08:39] <jelly> mama ima Toyota masinu za sivanje
[08:39] <BotaniCar> E, zamijenio sam pol tefalovog sudja s dva inox lonca i jednim keramickim vokom ; sad mi e vise nikaj ne guli i mogu sam bezbrizno sve tutnut u perilicu
[08:40] <BotaniCar> Preporod
[08:40] <BotaniCar> Inox majka, hebo sve drugo
[08:41] <jelly> cek, teflon ne smije ic u perilicu, ili to velis samo zbog toga sto se mora pazit da ne grebe metal?
[08:41] <Mmike> BotaniCar: pa, ja svoje perem u perilici, no issues
[08:41] <Mmike> da, ak padne onda je bed
[08:41] <Mmike> al' ga ne moras ostrit
[08:41] <Mmike> ovi kyocerini
[08:41] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: bolja ti je boca od kiselih krastavaca za kavu
[08:41] <Mmike> ikejini su ok isto, al' ti se iztupe za cca godinu
[08:41] <Mmike> mozda godinu i pol
[08:42] <jelly> BotaniCar: to bi kupio samo da velim da imam DIJAMANTNO brusilo doma
[08:42] <Mmike> BotaniCar: neznam opce da se kod nas moze to brusit
[08:42] <Mmike> al' kvalitetan noz nit ne moras brusit
[08:42] <jelly> because elite
[08:42] <Mmike> jelly: teflon != tefal :)
[08:42] <jelly> ionako kao vegetarijanac nemam nikakve kosti ni sunke za rezat
[08:43] <jelly> Mmike: dobro onda u cemu je problem s tefalom
[08:43] <Mmike> neznam
[08:45] <jelly> sto si onda htio reci sa <Mmike> jelly: teflon != tefal :)
[08:45] <ivoks> Mmike: bolje bi ti bilo da si uzeo keramicko posudje umjesto nozeva
[08:46] <ivoks> ja vise ne kupujem nis osim keramickog
[08:46] <ivoks> pere se maltene samo
[08:46] <ivoks> ulja opce ne treba
[08:46] * SilverSpace treba dobar brus za noževe
[08:46] <ivoks> a i mogu vilicom okretat meso bez straga da cu se otrovat
[08:46] <SilverSpace> ivoks: da zakon je to keramicko
[08:46] <SilverSpace> posude
[08:46] <ivoks> samo treba paziti koje
[08:47] <ivoks> malo je skuplje, ali se isplati
[08:50] <SilverSpace> http://www.vecernji.hr/hrvatska/pogledajte-sto-je-more-izbacilo-na-mljet-tu-kolicinu-smeca-je-tesko-i-zamisliti-999192
[08:51] <SilverSpace> albansko smece
[08:55] <ivoks> SilverSpace: to nije nis
[08:55] <ivoks> bilo je i gore
[08:55] <ivoks> http://www.dubrovniknet.hr/novost.php?id=23312#.VSTtE-RJ2DA
[08:56] <ivoks> http://www.rtl.hr/video/vijesti/10853/smece-iz-albanije-zagusilo-i-plazu-saharun/
[08:57] <ivoks> http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Portals/0/Images/2010-11-22/AAA/smec/smece_trstenik6-221110.jpg
[09:08] <SilverSpace> uh
[09:10] <Mmike> ivoks: nisam nikad razmisljao o tome da kupujem keramicko posudje
[09:10] <Mmike> imam vok
[09:10] <Mmike> al' to je gusani kurac, a ne keramicki
[09:11] <SilverSpace> mi imamo dvije tave keramicke preporodili se
[09:11] <SilverSpace> jebeno dobro
[09:11] <ivoks> ja kupio wok keramicku
[09:12] <ivoks> a sad i tavu
[09:12] <ivoks> i danas ju prvi put koristio
[09:12] <ivoks> nis, cajna zlicica ulja
[09:12] <ivoks> i sprzio pola kile piletine u 12 dijelova
[09:14] <SilverSpace> Bića iz drugih galaksija teška su barem 300 kila, bolje ih se klonite
[09:15] <SilverSpace> :)
[09:15] <SilverSpace> tko god uspije iz druge galaksije doci do nas jebeno je napredniji
[09:16] <SilverSpace> i najebali smo
[09:16] <jelly> Super Jura
[09:16] <SilverSpace> cisto sumnjam sa su miroljubivi i u prolazu :)
[09:19] <Mmike> ivoks: ja slabo koristim ulje za przenje
[09:19] <Mmike> to mi radi zena :D
[09:19] * Mmike se slatko nasmije
[09:19] <SilverSpace> :)
[09:19] <Mmike> ugl, tave i sranja koja imam, ne koristim bas ulje, isto
[09:19] <jelly> iz druge galaksije!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBFfBEtnlwc
[09:19] <Mmike> ne vidim neku prednost keramickih posuda, osim sto su teske z apopizdit
[09:19] <datase> YouTube: yosemite sam of outer space - 0:00:22 - 1,726 views - 7 likes / 0 dislikes
[09:19] <Mmike> htio bih si kupiti gusanu tavu
[09:19] <Mmike> za ramsteke
[09:20] <Mmike> da se moze jebacki dobro zgrijat
[09:20] <SilverSpace> Mmike: nemas ti pojma
[09:20] <Mmike> SilverSpace: ma nemoj!
[09:20] <Mmike> SilverSpace: a ti imas?
[09:20] <Mmike> SilverSpace: ti nemas pojma!
[09:20] <Mmike> SilverSpace: a pogotovo nemas pojma kad kazes drugima da nemaju pojma! :)
[09:20] <Mmike> (super je ovak neargumentirano srat :D )
[09:21] <SilverSpace> :)
[09:21] <SilverSpace> keramika je zakon za jaja na oko
[09:21] <ivoks> Mmike: ja sam si bas jucer bio gledao tavu za steak
[09:22] <ivoks> ali 300kn za nesto sto korisim jednom u 2-3 mjeseca...
[09:22] <Mmike> ja se prvo moram maknut u veci stan
[09:23] <Mmike> prije neg pocnem trosit novce na takve pizdarije
[09:23] <Mmike> ima se para a nema se kud sa stvarima koje bi se kupilo :)
[09:24] * SilverSpace nema kuna
[09:25] <SilverSpace> a trebao bi rondati kupaonicu
[09:25] <jelly> Mmike: stare stvari u crveni kriz
[09:26] <Mmike> jelly: to vec jesmo
[09:26] <Mmike> obleke dali
[09:26] <Mmike> svoje stare trapke
[09:26] <Mmike> skuzio sam da mozda ipak nikad necu smrsaviti :)
[09:26] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: nisam skuzio ovo za kavu
[09:28] <Mmike> SilverSpace: zrondam ti ja kupsu besple :)
[09:29] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: znas kak oni ameri koriste tegle za viski i kavu
[09:29] <SilverSpace> juznjaci u pecarama
[09:29] <SilverSpace> Mmike: to mogu i sam :) nemam za novu :)
[09:30] <SilverSpace> lovu
[09:33] <SilverSpace> žali mi se susjeda od 60- ak god da ju je na Samoborskoj ( Malešnica) policija kaznila što je vozila stari bic pješačkim nogostupom... dakle, baba od 60 g trebala bi voziti gdje i automobili... jesu li oni normalni?
[09:33] <SilverSpace> :)
[09:35] <Mmike> SilverSpace: da, nisu normalni. I ja sam skroz za to da babe od 60 i kusur godina dobiju rosule i voze se po skolskim igralistima.
[10:12] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: ako baba nemre vozit bajk ravno, onda joj nema mjesta nigdje , a ako moze pelat ravno,mogla je i na cestu. Ili mozes voziti ili ne, isto kao za auto.
[10:23] * Mmike si bas misli kak ce popusit par kazni slijedeci tjedan kad se bajkom krene vozit
[10:23] <Mmike> naime, velik dio puta se vozim u kontra smjeru
[10:55] <Mmike> http://www.index.hr/black/clanak/poslusajte-kao-zavija-borna-rajic/812092.aspx
[10:55] <Mmike> pa jebemti
[10:55] <Mmike> zasto ja to ne radim
[10:57] <ivoks> http://zlaaatan.com/
[11:06] <Mmike> i
[11:06] <Mmike> za koga ste
[11:06] <Mmike> tony ili jacques?
[11:06] <ivoks> nabijem ti rba
[11:06] <ivoks> dodjem u poslovnicu
[11:07] <ivoks> 'posaljite poruku na internet bankarstvu, to vam je najbrze tako'
[11:07] <ivoks> i posaljem ja poruku, a vec danima nitko ne odgovara
[11:07] <ivoks> sutra cu im otici u banku i reci da hocu da mi se odgovor nacrta
[11:07] <Mmike> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gzWOUGoR14
[11:08] <Mmike> looooooool :)
[11:08] <datase> YouTube: Marc Gatland, Accountant Needed! - 0:00:26 - 903 views - 4 likes / 0 dislikes
[11:08] <Mmike> ivoks: ja sam im napisao jedno 3-4 komentara na novo internet bankarstvo
[11:08] <Mmike> par sugestija i tak
[11:08] <Mmike> obrisali su mi ih sve :)
[11:08] <Mmike> opce ih ne vidim :)
[11:08] <Mmike> vjerujem, naravno, da je to greska u sustavu, a ne da je netko namjerno to napravoi :)
[11:12] <ivoks> Vaša zadnja prijava bila je: srijeda 08.04.2015 u 06:21
[11:12] <ivoks> erste to radi drugacije
[11:12] <ivoks> posalju ti mail kada se ulogiras
[11:22] <Mmike> seyong, when you deploy it locally, is it working there?
[11:22] <Mmike> bleeeeeeeee
[11:24] <ivoks> seyong
[11:24] <ivoks> zvuci poznato
[11:26] <ivoks> http://www.hzpp.hr/promotivne-proljetne-cijene-putovanja
[11:28] <ivoks> uopce ne znam sto su htjeli reci
[11:28] <BotaniCar> ivoks: pa, fakat su jeftiniji od autobusa, a autobusom ces i putovati :D
[11:30] <ivoks> treba hz popularizirati
[11:30] <ivoks> pa bi se mozda i ulagalo
[11:31] <ivoks> ja kupim avionsku kartu od bonna do zagreba
[11:31] <ivoks> i na kraju se vozim vlakom od bonna do frankfurta
[11:31] <Mmike> ivoks: di ides u nbergnrn?
[11:31] <ivoks> kakvo je to pitanje?
[11:32] <Mmike> Direktno? :)
[11:32] <Mmike> aha
[11:32] <Mmike> puno tipfelera :)
[11:32] <Mmike> daklem: Da li ti ides u nirnberg? :)
[11:32] <ivoks> ili manjka
[11:32] <ivoks> ne
[11:32] <Mmike> ivoks: kak je mirka danas
[11:32] <ivoks> mirka: ^
[11:32] <Mmike> idem u dubravu, mogo bi svratit da vas pozdravim malo
[11:32] <ivoks> donesi joj cokoladu
[11:33] <Mmike> mirka: kakvu cokoladu volis?
[11:33] <ivoks> veli milku oreo bi htjela
[11:33] <Mmike> s ljesnacima?
[11:33] <ivoks> onu veliku
[11:33] <Mmike> OREO?
[11:33] <Mmike> idesh!
[11:33] <jelly> reklamira se na tv
[11:33] <ivoks> ako nema te
[11:33] <Mmike> ivoks: si skuzio ti manipulatoricu? :) I tebe i mene voza! :) Ja joj cokolade nosim, a ti tipkas za nju :)
[11:33] <Mmike> a kao, radi za tebe! :)
[11:33] <ivoks> veli da mozes i onu s keksima
[11:33] <Mmike> mirka: ti si carica :)
[11:33] <Mmike> hahahahahaha :)
[11:33] <Mmike> ivoks: reci joj: ACK :)
[11:34] <ivoks> pa smije ti se
[11:34] <ivoks> veli 'ovaj lik je lud'
[11:34] <jelly> ja bi isto cokoladu s keksima
[11:34] <Mmike> ne sumnjam uopce :)
[11:35] <ivoks> 'mogla bi ga nagovorit da mi auto kupi'
[11:35] <mirka> kad si tu Mmike? :D
[11:35] <Mmike> mirka: koji auto bi htjela? :)
[11:35] <Mmike> mirka: sam da nije dizl, i da nije ford :)
[11:35] <Mmike> ne bih ti htio kupiti los auto! :)
[11:35] <ivoks> veli jaguar xf je sasvim ok
[11:36] <ivoks> moze i rabljeni:
[11:36] <ivoks> http://www.njuskalo.hr/auti/jaguar-xf-3.0-d-v6-oglas-14913865
[11:36] <Mmike> pf
[11:36] <Mmike> di cu to kod nas nac
[11:37] <jelly> zas kod nas, ides u .uk ponekad
[11:37] <Mmike> pa sad oce auto
[11:38] <Mmike> coksu, auto, vjerojatno bi i viklere i carape nove, al' ju sram rec
[11:38] <jelly> ivoks: meh, automatski mjenjac
[11:38] <Mmike> jelly: bas sam frownao na to :)
[11:39] <BotaniCar> Stari, ako joj kupis viklere, to je to, razvedi se , vikleri se kupuju samo zakonitoj ! :)
[11:39] <ivoks> na 177kw znaci da imas 7 brzina
[11:39] <ivoks> ak ti se salta, sam ti daj
[11:39] <ivoks> ako ne i 8
[11:39] <mirka> coksa je cist dovoljno :))
[11:41] <Mmike> draga i pazljiva po djep :)
[11:41] <ivoks> https://www.jaguar.com/Images/XE_16MY_088_GEE_gallery_desktop-1366x769_tcm76-113469_desktop_1366x769.jpg?v=1
[11:42] <ivoks> to mi kupi
[11:42] <ivoks> :)
[11:42] <Mmike> 2015-04-08 11:37:29 INFO unit.swift-storage/0.install logger.go:40 subprocess.CalledProcessError: Command '['chown', '-R', 'swift:swift', '/srv/node/']' returned non-zero exit status 1
[11:42] <Mmike> there is no /srv/node thre
[11:42] <Mmike> how
[11:42] <Mmike> the fuck I end up here
[11:42] <Mmike> jebemu :)
[11:43] <Mmike> pojeo sam svo slatko doma
[11:43] <jelly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl7NxKazIuw šaltaj petu, nemoj stat
[11:43] <Mmike> uzas :)
[11:43] <datase> YouTube: Ivo Amulić - Sto na sat - 0:03:31 - 351,275 views - 545 likes / 15 dislikes
[11:44] <BotaniCar> ahahahaha
[11:44] <BotaniCar> Mmike: kakav ti je to softver koji uzvraca gresku koja se eksli da i procitat' :D
[11:45] <Mmike> BotaniCar: python :)
[11:49] <weshmashian> is it just me ili je jessie relativno brzo izdan?
[11:51] <Mmike> weshmashian: kad prelazite na systemd? :)
[11:51] <weshmashian> it's just me, izgleda da je od etcha release svake dvije godine
[11:51] <weshmashian> Mmike: har-har-har
[11:51] <ivoks> da, debian je sad poceo precesto izlaziti
[11:51] <ivoks> ove aaiedu debian virtualke updejtamo svako malo
[11:52] <weshmashian> i jos krivo gledam, od sargea :)
[11:52] <Mmike> weshmashian: a, to. da, od onog-nakon-potejta
[11:52] <Mmike> bio sam svojevremeno u reflectedu naso kutiju koja je vrtila sardze :)
[11:52] <weshmashian> o_O
[11:53] <jelly> weshmashian: nije jos izdan, ima nade
[11:53] <weshmashian> mislim da se vrti jos jedan ili dva lennya
[11:53] <weshmashian> jelly: a dobro, 17 dana, kao
[11:54] <Mmike> sad dist-upgrade
[11:54] <Mmike> odmah
[11:54] <Mmike> na svemu :D
[11:54] <jelly> ja to nis ne vjerujem dok se ne pojavi debian 8 netinst, i dok se symlink na mirroru ne promijeni na stable -> jessie
[11:54] <Mmike> jelly: znaci, jos 17 dana :)
[11:54] <jelly> tak da taj datum macku p rep
[11:55] <BotaniCar> Ako se ja ne upisam od smijeha:) Posaljem molbu da mi naprave ponudu za nadogradnju w2008>w2012 , vrate mi nazad " a koliko CALova trebate ? Znate, w2008 CALovi ne vrijede po nadogradnji" :)
[11:55] <BotaniCar> Pa mamu vam usranu hebem, onda mi daj OS dzabe
[11:55] <BotaniCar> Ako spojivost placam svakih X godina
[11:55] <BotaniCar> **pravo na spajanje
[11:56] <weshmashian> :))
[11:56] <SilverSpace> znate li da grupa koja slusa Mozarta bolje riješi IQ test od grupe koja sjedi u tisini
[11:56] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: osim ako mrze klasicnu glazbu, citao sam i takve analizer
[11:57] <Mmike> nemres mrzit mozarta
[11:57] <BotaniCar> Ti i ja nemremo ..
[11:57] <Mmike> nope, nemres
[11:57] <Mmike> bacha i betovena mozes
[11:57] <Mmike> ovo je pre jednostavno da se mrzi
[11:57] <SilverSpace> ali grupa koja se svada jos bolje rijesi IQ od grupe koja slusa Mozarta
[11:57] <BotaniCar> Oces kupiti CAL , mmike ? :D
[11:57] <Mmike> BotaniCar: ocu
[11:57] <Mmike> BotaniCar: koje godiste?
[11:58] <SilverSpace> Mozart efekt
[11:58] <BotaniCar> Mmike: 69
[11:58] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: nije stvar u slusanju
[11:59] <SilverSpace> stvar je da pokrenes mozak sto vise
[11:59] <BotaniCar> ivoks: di si ti exchange i pripadajuce windowse nabavljao ?
[11:59] <jelly> Rade Pendek, godina 40. Zanimanje: milicioner. Kada se probudi, ništa više neće biti kao prije...
[12:00] <Mmike> ima na tresnjevackom lik
[12:00] <Mmike> ispod pulta ima sve
[12:00] <SilverSpace> zato grupa koja se svada rijesi bolje IQ test od ovih slusaca
[12:00] <Mmike> i windowse i linuxe
[12:00] <ivoks> BotaniCar: ?
[12:00] <ivoks> zasto mislis da sam ja to nabavljao?
[12:00] <ivoks> ja ljude oslobadjam od toga
[12:00] * SilverSpace je zakljucio da nikad ne treba sjediti u tisini :)
[12:00] <BotaniCar> ivoks: pa pitao si me jedared isto pitanje, pa sam ti dao info koji sam imao
[12:00] <BotaniCar> kaj ja znam jel za tebe ili za koga to bilo
[12:01] <ivoks> pa zanimalo me koliko konkurencija naplacuje mail server :D
[12:01] <BotaniCar> Ahh
[12:01] <jelly> ovisi koliko je velik
[12:03] <jelly> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfJHDQuvUsE#t=5m20s Vojo, MOZART!
[12:03] <datase> YouTube: Top Lista Nadrealista - Zona sumraka - 0:07:55 - 558,836 views - 817 likes / 9 dislikes
[12:03] <BotaniCar> ivoks: konkurencija exchangetu moze eventualno biti neki softverski bandl, nikako samo neki mail server , exchange ne kupujes da bi primopredavao mailove ( OK; kupujed ako si u nekoministarstvu/bolnici i debil si i/ili radis za proviziju ) :D
[12:03] <Mmike> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqwMT5tCu7E
[12:03] <datase> YouTube: Mozart K545 Sonata in C major (complete) | Cory Hall, pianist-composer - 0:11:26 - 1,139,836 views - 6184 likes / 226 dislikes
[12:05] <jelly> BotaniCar: ili si siromasni kripl pa si sam slazes postfix+dovecot+caldav+carddav+openldap+sogosync+kojijosvrag
[12:05] <BotaniCar> jelly: mozda sam siromasan, ali nisam kripl ! :)
[12:06] <ivoks> BotaniCar: pa naravno
[12:11] * SilverSpace obozava gledati TED talks
[12:12] <jelly> pogledao sam xy TED govora i sta mi to kurca vrijedi kad primjenjujem jedino onaj o papirnatim rucnicima
[12:12] <SilverSpace> :)
[12:13] <weshmashian> jelly: zar i ti?
[12:14] <Mmike> jelly: koji/kaki?
[12:14] <Mmike> do share
[12:14] <jelly> guglaj TED paper towl
[12:14] <jelly> TED paper towel
[12:15] <SilverSpace> Mmike: imas nadojeb za kodi
[12:15] <Mmike> dal' je los k'o i onaj za jubito?
[12:15] <SilverSpace> hm
[12:16] <SilverSpace> radi cak i sam titlove skida ako ima
[12:16] <jelly> weshmashian: ok, to nije jedini, ima i onaj o pravilnom vezanju pertli
[12:17] <weshmashian> ha, taj nijesam vidio jos
[12:18] <Mmike> jelly: i to radi?
[12:18] * Mmike goes tries
[12:19] <weshmashian> mislim da cu se fino prebacit na 20/5 u iskona
[12:19] * weshmashian ode kliketat
[12:22] <jelly> 5 uploada je skoro ok za koristiti oblak
[12:22] <vileni> ja bi 50/10
[12:22] <jelly> ja ne bi 50, al /10 ili /20 bi
[12:22] * obruT ima 30/5 i sasma je ok
[12:23] <Mmike> optika?
[12:23] * obruT je na vdslu
[12:23] <jelly> cijem
[12:23] <SilverSpace> 8/1 bas sam jqdnik
[12:23] <obruT> ht-ovom
[12:24] <Mmike> 12/1, isto jadan
[12:24] <Mmike> weshmashian: to optika iskonska?
[12:25] <weshmashian> Mmike: vdsl
[12:29] <SilverSpace> jebo ih pas ocu optiku
[12:30] <obruT> SilverSpace: oce svi :P
[12:31] <obruT> da sam ostao na starom stanu, sad bi ne da imo optiku, neko prejebenu brzinu
[12:31] <jelly> cekaj dok OiV ponude optike gradovima po normalnim cijenama
[12:31] <obruT> al dobro, necu se zaliti na ovaj vdsl jer sam dobio za iste pare ko i sporiji adsl
[12:32] <jelly> al i onda ce DTK biti u vlasnistvu monopoliste
[12:32] <obruT> prokleti monopolisti !
[12:33] <vileni> obruT: jel smijes uopce imati non-ht? :)
[12:33] <obruT> vileni: smijem :P dosta kolega i ima non-ht
[12:33] <vileni> ja se nadam preseliti na lokaciju koja ima 50/10
[12:33] <obruT> ja sam eto papak koji voli testirati neke stvari pa onak, ostao vjeran
[12:33] <ivoks> za kaj?
[12:33] <ivoks> za 4K porn?
[12:34] <vileni> obruT: prije par godina smo trazili cimer i ja stan, pa jedan lik koji je radio u stanu iznajmljivao
[12:34] <ivoks> 'cimer'
[12:34] <vileni> i kaze, samo ht internet
[12:34] <ivoks> sve je ok, nije bed ak si gej
[12:34] <vileni> ivoks: i da sam gej nebi njega
[12:34] <vileni> jer on nije gej, on je metro
[12:34] <BotaniCar> ja ne znam kaj bi s optikom doma, ono kaj meni treba je malo planiranja unaprijed i dobar download que :)
[12:35] <ivoks> ja sam jos uvijek na najprimitivnijem adslu
[12:35] <ivoks> 4mbit je vrh
[12:35] <obruT> vileni: prije par godina nisam placao promet :P
[12:35] <vileni> meni trenutacnih 16mbit sasvim ok
[12:35] <vileni> problem je upload
[12:35] <vileni> mislim da je 768k
[12:36] <jelly> 24:1, katastrofa
[12:36] <BotaniCar> Je, jebenti mali upload, nikad necu wallpapaer na remote stroju vidjet' :)
[12:36] <obruT> pa da, to je fakat sporo
[12:36] <vileni> zato 50/10, jer ima /10 :)
[12:37] <jelly> BotaniCar: nije wallpaper problem, al kad hoces uploadat 10-20GB slika sa fotica, ili zelis da te buraz u amsterdamu dobro vidi na skypeu...
[12:37] <jelly> onda se jeeezdi
[12:37] <BotaniCar> jelly: ako buraz u amsterdamu dobro vidi, posalji mu poruku da se javi nakon posjete coffee shopu ! :)
[12:37] <vileni> da, za veci upload ponesem na posao
[12:38] <SilverSpace> tele komuniciranje
[12:38] <vileni> ali sto ako necu imati posao sa 1/1
[12:38] <BotaniCar> vileni: odes u studentski dom i dogovoris se s prvim/om koja ima pravo pristupa mrezi
[12:38] <BotaniCar> ili odes na srce i moljakas :)
[12:38] <jelly> vileni: trazit firmu sa boljim connectivityjem, zato se ja jos ne micem iz ISP-a :-)
[12:38] * BotaniCar se zabrine da se jelly mozda i ne shali
[12:39] <Mmike> debilni android
[12:39] <Mmike> nece radit kamera jer je low battery
[12:39] <Mmike> ustekam ga u struju
[12:39] <vileni> BotaniCar: zadnji put kad sam isao u studentski dom nije bilo zbog interneta :)
[12:39] <jelly> BotaniCar: mozda u CARNet, tamo imaju gigabit do stola
[12:39] <Mmike> medjutim, i dalje je low battery
[12:39] <jelly> BotaniCar: ovdje imam pislivi 100Mbps
[12:40] <jelly> BotaniCar: i cijeli ofis ima 1Gpbs uplink, zapunio se kad je sccm krenuo pushat zakrpe za windowse
[12:41] <BotaniCar> jelly: Ahahaha :) Super konfigurirano ako pusha za radnog vremena, ste objesili nekog za noge iznad vatre nakon toga ?
[12:42] <SilverSpace> sand witch - vijestica u pjesku
[12:42] <SilverSpace> sandwitch - vijestica u pjesku
[12:42] <jelly> vještica u pijesku?
[12:42] <jelly> BotaniCar: ne, to je bilo u ponedjeljak
[12:43] <jelly> BotaniCar: malo smo zajebavali windows admine da zas to ne koristi multicast
[12:43] <SilverSpace> jelly: pijesak vijestica
[12:43] <BotaniCar> Zamisljam kak skripe zubima i nemusto vam pokazuju srednjaka :)
[12:44] <vileni> jelly: zato jer implementacija toga vjerojatno ima milijun bugova
[12:44] <jelly> MULTICAST
[12:44] <jelly> (citaj: MUL TI PASS)
[12:44] <vileni> ja sam nekidan probao sloziti deploy za ucionice
[12:44] <BotaniCar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9tjWlfV5HU
[12:45] <datase> YouTube: Zlato - Vještice - 0:04:03 - 248 views - 4 likes / 0 dislikes
[12:45] <vileni> odustao kad sam procitao da bi oni pametne switcheve
[12:47] <vileni> moram instalirati xp zbog nekog legacy softwarea
[12:47] <jelly> pametni switchevi su super
[12:47] <vileni> a jedini key ne postoji na papiru
[12:47] <ivoks> naravno da jesu
[12:48] <jelly> poludi ti jedna radna stanica, ne moraš kopati po učionici da bi saznao koja
[12:48] <ivoks> jos kad to spojis sa cacti
[12:48] <ivoks> i pluginovima koji ti tocno kazu gdje je koja mac adresa
[12:48] <ivoks> graficki
[12:55] <obruT> ja bez doticnih ne bi mogo ni radit kak se spada... a imam i doma jedan
[12:56] <obruT> jedino sto ovi "veci" znaju brujat pa ono, kolega je pizdio tu u uredu na ciscota :P
[12:58] <jelly> i sto ovi najjeftiniji pro-kurve sad imaju samo web ui, bez cli
[12:58] <ivoks> to su smecad
[12:58] <ivoks> bas sam jednom klijentu predlozio da to sve pobaca u smece
[12:58] <BotaniCar> da :( imam u furdi par takvih :(
[12:58] <jelly> mozda, ali su manageable
[12:58] <ivoks> ovo sa web ui-em
[12:59] <ivoks> ma drek
[12:59] <ivoks> nemaju STP
[12:59] <jelly> sta onda uzet a da nije 2-3x skuplje
[12:59] <jelly> kak nemaju stp
[12:59] <ivoks> nista. dobre stvari kostaju
[13:03] <Mmike> wow
[13:03] <Mmike> kupoprodaja deviza na rba sad ide instant
[13:03] <jelly> kak je isla do sad?!
[13:05] <SilverSpace> vileni: kaj budes uzeo atoma
[13:05] <BotaniCar> haha, SilverSpace provukao karticu , usao u crveno, sad prodaje bubreg ? :D
[13:06] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: ma ne samo da se rijesim ove furde doma
[13:06] <BotaniCar> psmtr, moja domaca infrastruktura pocinje odgovarati opisu necije furde :(
[13:07] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: imam i za tebe jednog atoma D2700
[13:07] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: imam jednog doma, odi proch :D
[13:07] <SilverSpace> windoze gore same ide :)
[13:07] <ivoks> jelly: tak da bi ti skinuli devize i satima kune ne bi vidio na racunu
[13:07] <ivoks> jelly: ili bi vidio i devize i kune u isto vrijeme
[13:08] <ivoks> a kada bi slao naloge za place, naloge koji se moraju izvrsiti taj isti dan
[13:08] <ivoks> onda bi ti rba nakon 4 sata javila kako nalog nije prosao
[13:08] <ivoks> sto bi bilo nakon zakonskog roka za slanje naloga
[13:09] <ivoks> i drzava bi ti lupila kamate jer si kasnio jedan dan
[13:09] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: onda nis bum Mmike uvalio on skuplja sve kaj mu das :)
[13:09] <ivoks> cijeli ovaj novi sustav, gdje se poziv na broj veze na datum uplate, je degenerican
[13:09] <BotaniCar> SilverSpace: to je istina, samo me zanima kak mu mislis objasniti da bi ti novaca za to :)
[13:11] <SilverSpace> BotaniCar: lol
[13:12] <Mmike> jelly: pa, manualno
[13:12] <Mmike> jelly: ti zadas nalog, i onda netko na ruke to odobri
[13:12] <Mmike> sad je to automacki
[13:12] <Mmike> kliknes, imas
[13:14] <ivoks> ili se nadamo da je automatski
[13:16] <Mmike> je
[13:16] <Mmike> odmah pare imam
[13:16] <Mmike> i mogu ih trositi
[13:16] <Mmike> stovise
[13:16] <Mmike> potrosio sam ih vec :)
[13:16] <Mmike> bas me zanima dal' cu moc i u ponoc to
[13:17] <vileni> SilverSpace: da, samo moram placu pricekati :)
[13:19] <BotaniCar> ovo je komedija, win2012St u MS web shopu kosta 1215$, span ni za nadogradnju s 2k8 na 2k12 posalje ponudu na 12kkn
[13:20] <BotaniCar> pa dobro sam ja lud, ili se oni uzdaju da mi internet ne radi ?
[13:20] <BotaniCar> s/ni/mi/
[13:23] <vileni> ovo prvo :)
[13:24] <SilverSpace> vileni: :)
[13:28] <SilverSpace> eto sad naso kablovinje ono koje sam trazio usb i to dva komada
[13:28] <SilverSpace> kad sam narucio na ebay
[13:28] <SilverSpace> 1,70$ potrosio
[13:37] <Mmike> prokleti zncu
[13:37] <Mmike> zash nikoji taj softver nezna citat misli?
[13:37] <Mmike> i to s razumjevanjem!
[13:38] <Mmike> http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/epidemija-ospica-po-cijelom-zagrebu-a-roditelji-odbijaju-dati-podatke-jesu-li-im-djeca-cijepljena/812142.aspx
[13:38] <Mmike> ja bi ovakvima djecu oduzeo, jebo me pas
[13:38] <Mmike> moroni
[13:38] <Mmike> neobrazovani
[13:38] <SilverSpace> :()
[13:42] <jelly> Mmike: s druge strane zasto bi roditelji uopce morali davati podatke... u trenutku cijepljenja su ti podaci vec uzeti
[13:43] <Mmike> jelly: indeed
[13:43] <Mmike> al' ono
[13:43] <BotaniCar> jelly: a drzavne su sluzbe obavezne upotrijebiti dostupne banke podataka prije nego zatraze od gradjana, u potpunosti se slazem
[13:43] <Mmike> trebalo bi otic na mjesec-dva zivjeti, reciom, u drnis
[13:43] <Mmike> ili valpovo
[13:43] <Mmike> ili gracac
[13:43] <Mmike> cisto da vidimo kako je zagreb jeben
[13:44] <BotaniCar> Mmike: ja sam na vanjskom rubu sesveta i jos nisam skuzio koliko je jeben :) Frendica zivjela u valpovu i veli da bas i nije :)
[13:44] <jelly> BotaniCar: treba otvoriti Agenciju za koordinaciju dohvata iz banaka podataka drzavnih tijela
[13:44] <Mmike> jelly: ROTFL :)
[13:44] <jelly> zaposliti jedno 50 ljudi
[13:44] <Mmike> jelly: prejebeno! :)
[13:45] <BotaniCar> I agenciju za provjeru koordinacijske agencije !
[13:45] <jelly> da prebroje koje sve banke podataka postoje
[13:45] <obruT> i stozer za obranu od netocnih podataka
[13:45] <jelly> BotaniCar: tako je, da bude sigurno da podaci ne cure
[13:46] <Mmike> http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/zbog-cega-je-u-hrvatskoj-nestasica-trave/812133.aspx
[13:46] <Mmike> ma cuj ti ovo :D
[13:46] <Mmike> 'nestasica trave' :D
[13:46] <BotaniCar> Cuj debile: "HZJZ ne može doći na regularan način do podataka o procijepljenosti jer ne smiju to tražiti od pedijatara budući da postoji povjerljiv odnos pedijatra i roditelja. " koji ku*ac :) Kakva povjerljivost kad je javno zdravlje u pitanju :)
[13:46] <BotaniCar> Mmike: pa nema gandze vec ohoho, samo skank i govno
[13:46] <jelly> BotaniCar: bullshit, teski
[13:47] <BotaniCar> jelly: ako je bullshit, nabavi mi trave </silly>
[13:47] <Mmike> :D
[13:48] <jelly> ne mogu, niko nema
[13:48] <BotaniCar> :) Oplako sam ovo :)
[13:49] <BotaniCar> A ja n sjemenke neam, a pravo doba godine ..
[14:23] <ivoks> stize euro 6
[14:23] <ivoks> benzinci ce poskupiti
[14:30] <SilverSpace> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/966116/amdam1.jpg
[14:34] <SilverSpace> blic kvari sliku
[14:36] <SilverSpace> izgleda kao da je pun prasine
[14:49] <SilverSpace> SuperWrt
[14:51] <jelly> strgo mi se kinez mobitel, stalno javlja da nesto ne stima s enkripcijom nakon toga se boota u recovery
[14:51] <SilverSpace> https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=55&v=y2augI02t0E
[14:51] <datase> YouTube: Instalarea SuperWrt pe un router compatibil - 0:02:38 - 4,137 views - 3 likes / 0 dislikes
[14:52] <SilverSpace> jelly: hm kaj si to uzeo
[14:54] <jelly> Jiayu G3S, star ~2 godine
[15:00] <SilverSpace> dvije godine kazes pa i moj sony dvije godine trajao i htc isto
[15:00] <SilverSpace> dobro je i trajao
[15:02] <SilverSpace> ovo je posa http://www.24sata.hr/svijet/povijesna-pljacka-u-londonu-iz-sefova-odnijeli-200-mil-funti-413785
[15:09] <SilverSpace> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCE-4OjWMAAkx12.jpg na ovo se uvijek nasmijem
[15:17] <ivoks> ma smijesno
[15:17] <ivoks> branimirova neupotrebljiva
[15:17] <ivoks> zbog cega?
[15:17] <ivoks> rijeke
[15:18] <ivoks> ta kolona koja se stvorila u branimirovoj brojala je vise ljudi nego li sto ce ih biti na utakmici, ukljucujuci i igrace
[15:27] <SilverSpace> bit ce vise rijecana
[15:27] <SilverSpace> :)
[15:36] <SilverSpace> https://www.ted.com/talks/terry_moore_how_to_tie_your_shoes?language=hr
[15:45] <Mmike> ivoks: branimirova?
[15:49] <obruT> evo prave rvatice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suiax_MMgr8
[15:49] <obruT> tko je ta uopce ?
[15:49] <datase> YouTube: "ZDRAVO, DJEVO" - O SILAMA DOBRA I ZLA - 0:04:05 - 35,114 views
[15:56] <ivoks> Mmike: da
[15:57] <Mmike> ivoks: kaj s branimorivom? tko veli da je neupotrebljiva?
[15:58] <ivoks> Mmike: bila je kada sam se vracao s posla
[15:58] <jelly> lol, "ukljucujuci i igrace"
[15:58] <ivoks> pa da
[15:58] <Mmike> nist ne kuzim
[15:58] <ivoks> nece nikoga biti na tekmi
[15:58] <Mmike> mislio sam da komentiras neki napis negdje
[15:58] <ivoks> vise ljudi dodje na ping pong mec nego na nogometnu utakmicu
[15:59] <ivoks> Mmike: Dinamo - Rijeka
[15:59] <ivoks> i zbog busa s igracima Rijeke, Branimirova je bila posebno regulirana
[15:59] <ivoks> a bus su pratili policijska vozila, pa cak i vojna
[15:59] <Mmike> ivoks: nova branimirova, right?
[15:59] <ivoks> jedan vojni dzip, ne lazem
[15:59] <ivoks> ne, stara
[15:59] <ivoks> sve je to jedna branimirova :p
[16:00] <Mmike> fakat, sad su ju spojili :)
[16:00] <ivoks> This server is vulnerable to the POODLE attack
[16:00] <ivoks> ma kak
[16:00] <ivoks> valjda bi trebao iskljuciti sslv3
[16:02] <Mmike> ivoks: imas ti asanu?:)
[16:03] <ivoks> imam
[16:04] <jelly> jel ima neki SSL verifikator koji moze provjeriti i druge servise, ne samo https:// na :443
[16:05] <ivoks> od danas moj webmail vise ne radi na winxp
[16:06] <ivoks> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=mail.init.hr
[16:06] <ivoks> \o/
[16:07] <ivoks> mogao bi OCSP stapling omoguciti
[16:08] <jelly> DANE
[16:11] <ivoks> dane?
[16:12] <jelly> nacin za zaheftat ssl cert u dns
[16:12] <ivoks> OCSP stapling No
[16:12] <ivoks> ma kak
[16:13] <jelly> ako ga posiljatelj podrzava, DANE sprecava MITM na portu 25
[16:15] <ivoks> 0
[16:15] <ivoks> fucks
[16:15] <ivoks> given
[16:15] <ivoks> .
[16:15] <ivoks> :D
[16:15] <ivoks> moram si napraviti tu majicu
[16:16] <ivoks> OCSP stapling Yes
[16:16] <Mmike> pivotaltracker
[16:16] <Mmike> a very neat tool
[16:27] <SilverSpace> obruT: kaj se pravis lud da ne znas :P
[16:40] <jelly> djelomicno je krepao interni flash, izgleda, i jedna od sistemskih particija se ne da formatirat
[16:40] <jelly> to je otprilike sve sto se da izdebagirat iz CWM recovery boota
[16:42] <SilverSpace> izgleda da se gnome terminal popravio ne skuplja se vise
[16:42] <SilverSpace> hm
[16:42] <SilverSpace> samo sto sam stisnuo enter i eto opet terminal nestao
[16:43] <SilverSpace> :)
[16:43] <jelly> izgleda da je... UTEKO
[17:06] <obruT> SilverSpace: sad znam, pitao kolegu
[17:09] <SilverSpace> :)
[17:09] <SilverSpace> lako laprdati kad imas pare :)
[17:10] <SilverSpace> TeamViewer fuck ne radi
[17:13] <obruT> sto nije taj teamviewer nesto za windoze ?
[17:13] <jelly> i androide i linuxe
[17:13] <hbogner> o/
[17:14] <jelly> meni na androidu radi ok, jer nemam windowse a instalacija za linux je bila tlaka
[17:14] <hbogner> jelly, instalacija za linux je unzip i run
[17:14] <hbogner> nema instalacije, pokreces gotovi binary
[17:15] <jelly> zadnji put je bio 32bit only
[17:15] <hbogner> 32-Bit / 64-Bit Multiarch i 64-Bit without Multiarch
[17:15] <SilverSpace> i iOS
[17:16] <hbogner> Download deb v10.0.37742
[17:16] <jelly> jos ak ima OSX onda ima sve
[17:16] <SilverSpace> kaj znaci Multiarch
[17:16] <hbogner> http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/mac.aspx
[17:16] <SilverSpace> ja sam na iPadu frendu windoze sredival
[17:17] <SilverSpace> je da je tesko
[17:17] <jelly> znaci cca ak imas linuxe novije od 2012 sa .deb paketima, onda uzmi taj sa multiarch
[17:17] <SilverSpace> ali ide
[17:17] <jelly> da, tak sam na android tabletu isto :-)
[17:18] <hbogner> Download tar.gz v10.0.37742 ovaj je unzip and run
[17:18] <jelly> nema unzip kod mene, .deb or bust
[17:19] <hbogner> grrrr, zgasi krivi prozor
[17:22] <SilverSpace> hbogner: taj mi ne radi tar
[17:23] <hbogner> SilverSpace, ja imam teamviewer_linux_v10.036281.tar.gz i radi mi ok
[17:23] <SilverSpace> v9 radi
[17:24] <hbogner> meni i 9 i 10 rade, imam oba
[17:37] <SilverSpace> ovog novinara bi rado zatuko da ne trosi zrak
[17:38] <SilverSpace> http://www.dnevno.hr/magazin/zanimljivosti/smokve-vegetarijanci-ne-smiju-jesti-evo-kakvu-jezivu-tajnu-skriva-ovo-slatko-voce-6688/
[17:43] <Mmike> SilverSpace, dnevno.hr, kaj si ocekivo
[17:43] <Mmike> jelly, zakaj? (.deb or bust) ?
[17:53] <SilverSpace> http://www.index.hr/lajk/poster/128394/ac-dc-hit-thunderstruck-preveden-na-hrvatski
[17:54] <markosejic> d vecer
[18:08] <SilverSpace> Polovica od 146 zaraženih ospicama u bolnici
[18:19] <jelly> Mmike: zato sto je sve ostalo tesko odrzavat
[18:20] <jelly> SilverSpace: bah, ko nije nasao pauka u smokvi bar 10 puta nije ih jeo
[18:21] <jelly> mmm, stari htc radi
[18:21] <jelly> android 2.3... uglavnom radi. :-)
[18:24] <jelly> webmail od exchangeta 2013 je skroz ok
[18:26] <Mmike> jelly, odrzavat?
[18:27] <Mmike> jelly, raspakiras i ostavis. i pokrenes od tamo. nemas kaj odrzavat
[18:27] <Mmike> stovise, ne usere ti neki cudan .deb sistem
[18:27] <Mmike> nego ga imas fino u ~/crap/stuff i vozi
[18:27] <Mmike> tw je skroz kul stvar
[18:27] <jelly> koliko kosta?
[18:27] <Mmike> radi petput bolje od rdesktopa i 1234123145 put bolje od vnca
[18:27] <Mmike> 0
[18:28] <Mmike> ako nije za komercijalnu djelatnost :)
[18:28] <jelly> 0 je samo za noncommercial
[18:28] <Mmike> znaci, mosh mami doma popravit windowse
[18:28] <Mmike> ja sam ga zato i koristio
[18:34] <SilverSpace> znaci meni ne mozes popraviti windoze
[18:39] <Mmike> pa
[18:39] <Mmike> brijemd da si ih ti strgao tak da ih ja neznam popravit :0
[18:39] <obruT> 19:37 < SilverSpace> ovog novinara bi rado zatuko da ne trosi zrak
[18:39] <obruT> ajd :)
[18:40] <obruT> Mmike: brijemd je nesto od systemd-a ? :)
[18:40] <SilverSpace> Mmike: :) ne mozes kad ih ni nemam trenutno nigdje
[18:40] <Mmike> obruT, :D :D :D
[18:40] <Mmike> brijemd :)))))))
[18:40] <Mmike> SilverSpace, to je dobro, nemosh ih strgat
[18:47] <SilverSpace> jebo trazenje po kutijama
[18:47] <SilverSpace> i posprenanje
[18:48] <SilverSpace> nikada ne znam di sam sto stavio
[18:49] <SilverSpace> morat cu navratiti u reciklazno dvoriste i bacit stare graficke MX_e
[18:55] <SilverSpace> jao i starih diskova nasao
[18:56] <SilverSpace> flopi
[18:56] <SilverSpace> 2x
[18:58] <SilverSpace> ghost cd slika tko zna od cega
[19:02] <obruT> SilverSpace: ja imam dvije kutije za cipele punih starih diskova, jos naslagano na nekom ormaru... poceo to jednom i katalogizirat :)
[19:04] <frainfreeze> Dajte barem magnete povadite.
[19:06] <SilverSpace> obruT: ja sad jednog ubacim da vidim kaj je gore a ubuntu kaze prazan r-cd
[19:07] <SilverSpace> frainfreeze: iz hhd
[19:08] <frainfreeze> da.
[19:09] <SilverSpace> ja i ploce povadim vise mi oko lustera
[19:23] <SilverSpace> cega svega nema kod mene
[19:47] <obruT> ne znam jesam li vec spominjao da bi polomio svaku kost i povadio svaki zub programerima admin sucelja na yealink telefonima... ako nisam, evo sad dajem na znanje
[19:47] <obruT> ako znate kojeg, slobodno prijavite
[19:48] <SilverSpace> :)
[19:49] <SilverSpace> ln
[19:50] <obruT> lakunoc
[19:50] <SilverSpace> ne kuzim kak mi sad puno vise rama guta
[19:50] <SilverSpace> 1G vise nego na atomu
[19:51] <SilverSpace> ln
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[00:12] <phillw> gsilva: the couple of people I know on here are benonsoftware cprofitt eagles0513875_ pleia2 and pmatulis But, you should really introduce your self and what your plans are.
[00:13] <gsilva> sure phillw, I'll ask around to see a possible method for me to implement
[20:59] <phillw> pmatulis: there is a young manual doc person from lubuntu with the the nick gislva I ask that you and the others give this young man ever assistance.
[21:00] <pmatulis> phillw: a manual doc person?
[21:00] <phillw> pmatulis: yup for lubuntu manual, but has to work with ubuntu manual
[21:01] <pmatulis> phillw: i didn't know there was a lubuntu manual. i also thought the ubuntu manual was defunct. anywhoo, i'll keep my eye out for gislva
[21:02] <phillw> it was a bit of a bolt of the blue
[21:02] <phillw> ubuntu manual is for each LTS
[21:03] <phillw> but, gs wants to overhaul the lubuntu docs system, which is fine by me.
[22:34] <pleia2> phillw: knome was helping them yesterday, did they need more?
[22:34] <pleia2> (before you joined)
[22:34] <pleia2> wb gsilva
[22:35] <knome> i believe a lot more is needed, though i think it would need some team-internal research on what they want first
[22:35] <pleia2> yeah, the links you gave them will be useful
[22:35] <gsilva> hi, pleia2
[22:35] <gsilva> thank you
[22:36] <pleia2> if they really want a manual rather than documentation, they should ask the ubuntu manual folks though, they are in #ubuntu-manual and have a launchpad.net mailing list that's different from the doc team
[22:36] <phillw> pleia2: knome I believe he has got his head around the basics of pulling in the manual
[22:36] <knome> i have very little knowledge on the ubuntu manual
[22:36] <gsilva> Yes, thank you though. I had to bash my head around what I could do
[22:36] <knome> there are several ways to achieve a similar thing
[22:36] <phillw> gsilva: ah, thanks for hanging on in.. .the people here will answer and help you.
[22:36] <gsilva> so, I managed to learn the basics of Git, but apparently it's better for both - including Ubuntu - if I do that in Bazaar
[22:37] <pleia2> gsilva: yeah, we use bzr
[22:37] <gsilva> So... No worries :) I have a plan, although I'm not sure if that will work. Hopefully it will.
[22:37] <gsilva> I'm just not sure how you guys are compiling the final file, but I have an idea
[22:37] <knome> bzr/git are very similar
[22:37] <gsilva> I never used tex before, so I'll have to learn another thing
[22:37] <pleia2> bzr and git are pretty similar, they are both distributed RCSs
[22:37] <pleia2> tex is only used by the ubuntu manual team, which again, is not us :)
[22:38] <gsilva> right
[22:38] <pleia2> xubuntu and the server guide uses docbook, ubuntu docs use mallard
[22:38] <gsilva> No worries, I got my head around things. Hopefully I'll manage to do something
[23:10] <phillw> pleia2: and knome thanks for your help, he's getting there
[23:14] <gsilva> oh yes, of course I appreciate your help
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu
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[00:01] <Bashing-om> byerley: Well, GPT partitioning, I do not think it matters. As all partitions are primary partitions. That said, used to be that Windows wanted to be installed at the start of the hard drive . // IF you have enough ram installed, and do not intend to hibernate - a swap partition is not required .
[00:03] <byerley> Bashing-om: good to know, thanks.
[00:04] <Bashing-om> byerley: Hands down GPT is the way to go, but takes Prior Prudent Planning .. need a separate /boot partition.
[00:19] <Cyber023> I need some help...... When I put my laptop into suspend mode by closing the lid and wake it up again I get a Light Display Manager login screen 50% of the time and my password does not work i' ve tried every fix i could find anybody have any tips
[00:20] <Cyber023> And a cant switch user at that login screen
[00:20] <pbx> Cyber023, your password doesn't work... so what do you do then?
[00:20] <Cyber023> pbx, reboot
[00:20] <grio> There we go. That was getting obnoxious.
[00:21] <Cyber023> pbx, but I loose everything obviously
[00:21] <pbx> Cyber023, trying a different DM comes to mind
[00:21] <Cyber023> pbx, how do I do this do you have a link
[00:25] <pbx> Cyber023, my suggestion may not be a wise one, but in any case some login/display managers (which you can install by name via apt) are: gdm, ldm, xdm, sdm, wdm, kdm, slim
[00:26] <Cyber023> pbx, thanks
[00:26] <pbx> Cyber023, you could also check this guide to see if there are any config options you could twiddle or untwiddle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[00:26] <ianorlin> pbx I think there is also lxdm
[00:26] <pbx> surely there are others yeah
[01:02] <miv> someone can give some info
[01:02] <miv> about gdm
[01:02] <SchrodingersScat> !gdm | miv
[01:02] <miv> yup
[01:02] <SchrodingersScat> or not
[01:02] <SchrodingersScat> !ask | miv
[01:03] <miv> when you log in to your account , you got report message that you havent valid context this is selinux issue
[01:04] <miv> should i releabel gdm binary
[01:06] <miv> !
[01:06] <miv> #
[01:06] <miv> `~|
[01:07] <miv> -0-
[01:07] <Ben64> miv: stop that
[01:07] <miv> )
[01:07] <miv> gdm
[01:13] <nagerst1> Hi, simple question: How do i make sound work in pepper flash in ubuntu without pulseaudio? I have hardware mixing and sound sounds an extraordinary amount better with ALSA only.
[01:13] <nagerst1> pulseaudio makes the sound all crackly and crappy
[01:15] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: I would argue that you should join #pulseaudio and ask them why your sound is crackly when using pulse.
[01:15] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: Or file a bug report. (or both)
[01:16] <nagerst1> Jordan_U: ALSA works fine in all other applications. Is pulse an dependecy? if so, why is it not installed when installing pepperflash?
[01:16] <decadence18> Is there a place to get help on (attempting) to correctly set up an nginx web server? I apologize if this is not the right place to even ask that; I had no idea where to start.
[01:16] <daftykins> decadence18: so you've installed the package presumably?
[01:16] <nagerst1> I can listen to music with cmus and clementine, i can watch youtube with html5 and watch movies with mplayer2 and cvlc
[01:17] <daftykins> if not then there's no point asking for help until you've tried
[01:17] <nagerst1> only pepperflash poses any thourble
[01:17] <decadence18> daftykins: Yes, I installed both the nginx package and the php-fpm (or whatever it is) package. My main problem is I'm also running a LAMP server as well
[01:18] <daftykins> decadence18: and why are you attempting to run both on the same host? :P
[01:18] <nagerst1> If it requires pulse it should not be in the recommended stack, but required stack.
[01:19] <daftykins> nagerst1: pepperflash comes from chrome right, so Google PPA's - so not ubuntu's problem
[01:19] <decadence18> A job I am attempting to obtain is asking about my Wordpress abilities. I want to try to refamiliarize myself with Wordpress fully, without bothering my personal apache server
[01:20] <ianorlin> decadence18: run ubuntu-server on your own vm?
[01:20] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: I don't know. Have you tried https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Glitches.2C_skips_or_crackling for fixing the crackling in pulse?
[01:20] <nagerst1> daftykins: Good point, but as regular flash does not work any more on most sites. What can we do? It is not like gnash is going to leap forward like a beast very soon.
[01:20] <decadence18> @ianorlin I'm already running a server I'm just trying to use both nginx and apache. @daftykins I replied but forgot to have your name in front, sorry
[01:21] <nagerst1> Jordan_U: The goal is to NOT have pulseaudio. As i have very strange hardware.
[01:21] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: Why is that your goal?
[01:21] <ianorlin> nagerst1: lubuntu ocmes without pulse audio but it is easy to install something that pulls it in
[01:21] <nagerst1> Jordan_U: I have a Yamaha device.
[01:23] <decadence18> Daftykins: Let me restart and give a bit more detail. I already have the packages installed and moved from port 80 to port 81. I now have two issues: Port forwarding nginx is not working, and a php page utilizing phpinfo(); is completely blank abet the exact code in the php file.
[01:23] <daftykins> decadence18: set it up in a VM
[01:24] <daftykins> nagerst1: i don't see that as being anything 'we' need to work on :)
[01:24] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: What is the significance of that?
[01:24] <daftykins> decadence18: sounds like the PHP module isn't enabled with nginx perhaps
[01:25] <decadence18> How would I do this? I followed the comments to the best of my ability and removed the appropriate lines in the sites-enabled file to allow it to use php
[01:25] <timdotrb> good evening, all
[01:28] <decadence18> daftykins: How would I do this? I followed the comments to the best of my ability and removed the appropriate lines in the sites-enabled file to allow it to use php
[01:29] <daftykins> decadence18: google's top result - http://askubuntu.com/questions/134666/what-is-the-easiest-way-to-enable-php-on-nginx
[01:30] <decadence18> I'm not sure if i've tried this or not (My search results may be slightly different as I don't use Google)
[01:30] <daftykins> VMs really are your friend though, you could've gotten away without messing with your own setup
[01:30] <nagerst1> daftykins and Jordan_U I am not asking you to fix it. Juse if you know of a non-pulse sollution. All other software works perfectly fine with the hardware mixer and dsp. If i install pulse i only get certain functionality.
[01:31] <decadence18> daftykins: I was considering VMs but I'm not 100% sure on how to use those either. I'm not even in college yet so...
[01:31] <nagerst1> If i have to accept no flash sound, that is acceptable as long as i get the hardware mixing that i have payed for.
[01:31] <daftykins> decadence18: install virtualbox and go nuts!
[01:31] <xangua> nagerst1: try firefox and flashplugin-installer
[01:32] <daftykins> being at a College has nothing to do with making use of virtualisation, it's amazing tech.
[01:32] <nagerst1> xangua: i will, but that will put me with 11.* right?
[01:32] <nagerst1> xangua: a very good suggestion. I only need flash for enjoyment purposes anyways.
[01:32] <decadence18> daftykins: Oh, I know. I'm almost completely self-taught with what I know is all I was saying, so there are many things I don't know
[01:33] <daftykins> as am i :P
[01:34] <somsip> nagerst1: personally, I run firefox without flash, and have chrome installed with its built in flash which I use when I need it
[01:35] <decadence18> daftykins: Could it possibly be not registering the PHP module because I'm using a non-default directory?
[01:35] <nagerst1> somsip: chrome has pepperflash. regular flash in firefox works.
[01:35] <daftykins> decadence18: what's non-default?
[01:35] <daftykins> you installed the packages, follow that link
[01:36] <somsip> nagerst1: yes, but if you're worried about safety (as I am) it is a way to keep flash from running on your main browser. An dI understand Chrome uses a sandboxing thingy that is safe, and updates come quicker than to FF if/when new flash vulnerabilities are found. YMMV
[01:36] <decadence18> daftykins: I changed where it looks for the .html & etc files
[01:36] <somsip> *quicker to Chromer than to FF...
[01:37] <daftykins> decadence18: the document root? just follow the link...
[01:37] <benjaminkingtech> hi
[01:37] <daftykins> decadence18: when you learn for yourself do you actually follow guides and manuals or keep guessing? ;)
[01:38] <decadence18> daftykins: I use guides and manuals and forums and etc and on occasion I'll just guess (:
[01:38] <benjaminkingtech> hello
[01:38] <somsip> benjaminkingtech: do you have a support question?
[01:38] <akkad> ikonia: why would you kick someone for reporting a broken mirror or two?
[01:38] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: Why do you consider hardware mixing a feature? Software mixing allows for higher quality, and does not require a lot of CPU (especially with newer CPU extentions added primarily for audio mixing).
[01:39] <nagerst1> Jordan_U: I do mixing on the yamaha 256mb card. It has perfect ALSA support but it does not work well with pulse.
[01:39] <benjaminkingtech> yes, i was wondering if Ubuntu 14.04.2 well work on old xp hardware.
[01:40] <nagerst1> Jordan_U: I could have bought a terratech card, but it has even less support for linux
[01:40] <xangua> what's an old xp hardare¿ benjaminkingtech
[01:40] <xangua> benjaminkingtech: if you are looking for some light dekstop there is Lubuntu and Xubuntu
[01:41] <nagerst1> benjaminkingtech: Fluxbuntu is about as light as you get in ubuntuland unless you are prepared to go cli and ncurses
[01:41] <benjaminkingtech> well i have a windows xp computer with a Pentium 4 ht in it.
[01:42] <elitedeamon> Hello anyone help me with setting a primary monitor on a triple monitor setup
[01:42] <daftykins> benjaminkingtech: those are pretty rubbish for all purposes now, things like youtube won't work properly.
[01:42] <Jordan_U> benjaminkingtech: It depends on the hardware (for instance, are there quality 3D drivers available for your graphics card) and also what you're doing. I'm currently working on a 10 year old Latitude D810 laptop using Xubuntu, and IRC and C development / git usage are great. Surfing the web can be painful though.
[01:42] <nagerst1> benjaminkingtech: As long as you do not have a old ATI card you can run any version of ubuntu on that machine.
[01:42] <elitedeamon> i have a R9 290
[01:42] <benjaminkingtech> thanks for the help i well try them soon thanks!
[01:43] <nagerst1> P9? as in Mobile radeon P9? (relabeled 7500), Those work fine.
[01:43] <elitedeamon> I have tried running a ArandR command in the startup to set my middle monitor as primary and it doesnt work
[01:44] <nbros652> I have a script that runs @reboot. The script uses both xset and xinput. These of course require access to the X server. DISPLAY=:0 is not working. Any ideas?
[01:44] <akkad> Wow... Let's ban people who matter *** Ban for *!*@zeniv.linux.org.uk on #ubuntu set by ikonia
[01:44] <akkad> "Sorry Alan Cox, you can't join #ubuntu
[01:44] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: What does this script do? What is your end goal?
[01:44] <ianorlin> akkad: not the place for this discussion
[01:45] <nagerst1> Jordan_U: i have posted no script.
[01:45] <somsip> nbros652: you need to make sure X is running first. So @reboot may not be the best place for those sort of commands. How about something like .xinitrc ?
[01:45] <akkad> ##ubuntu?
[01:45] <Nixus> anyone know a good youtube player other than minitube?
[01:45] <Jordan_U> akkad: #ubuntu-ops is the place to ask about bans and discuss channel policy.
[01:46] <akkad> ianorlin: sorry. will do thanks.
[01:46] <Nixus> maybe that supports sign in
[01:46] <decadence18> daftykins: I've followed both the forum/tutorial you sent me and the one that it links to
[01:46] <decadence18> daftykins: Still only shows "phpinfo(); ?>"
[01:46] <elitedeamon> Anyone at all on the subject of setting primary monitor no?
[01:46] <Jordan_U> nagerst1: Sorry, mistab :)
[01:46] <somsip> decadence18: missing '<?php' at start of file?
[01:46] <daftykins> decadence18: you know you have to restart the server first?
[01:47] <Jordan_U> nbros652: What does this script do? What is your end goal?
[01:47] <decadence18> somsip: No, but I may have figured out the problem
[01:47] <nbros652> somsip, will that run with root privileges? Event with X running, it doesn't work in ctrl+alt+F1. I should also mention that the script runs in the background and still fails after X has started.
[01:47] <decadence18> daftykins: I know
[01:47] <decadence18> daftykins: I got php to work, now I just have to get nginx port-forwarded
[01:48] <daftykins> decadence18: ok, you don't need to give me a step by step update btw...
[01:48] <nbros652> Jordan_U, screenlock replacement basically. Checks to see if my fitbit is close by, disables all inputs if not and blanks the screen. Re-enables all inputs and brings screen back when I get close to my computer.
[01:49] <nbros652> Jordan_U, works fine if I run manually from within X
[01:49] <nbros652> ... as root
[01:51] <somsip> nbros652: not in ~/.xinitrc but maybe /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc would be worth looking at
[01:52] <nbros652> somsip, I'll take a look at that. It may be what I need.
[01:52] <Jordan_U> nbros652: Does it work if you set it to run in a cron tab 1 minute from now (or similarly with at)? It may be that the script is running before X has started, or it may even need to be run after your specific gnome session has started.
[01:53] <Jordan_U> nbros652: Ahh, your most recent command answers my question.
[01:56] <nbros652> Jordan_U, strangely it does not work in crontab one minute from now either.
[01:56] <somsip> nbros652: are you using envs in the script that are not setup by the cron environment?
[01:58] <nbros652> somsip, I specified DISPLAY, but that's all.
[01:58] <nbros652> somsip, Jordan_U: gonna give xinitrc a whirl
[01:58] <nbros652> brb
[02:03] <spacebison> ?DCC SEND "ff???f?" 0 0 0
[02:06] <nbros652> somsip, Jordan_U: not sure why, but the X stuff still doesn't work from xinitrc either. The script starts, but xset and xinput don't work
[02:06] <intelburnz> hello everyone
[02:07] <daftykins> lo
[02:07] <Jordan_U> nbros652: Why don't you just send gnome-screensaver lock and unlock events?
[02:07] <NegativeFlare> heh
[02:07] <NegativeFlare> ok then
[02:08] <nbros652> Jordan_U: the unlock stopped working with 14.04 I think
[02:08] <somsip> nbros652: so you've got the right place to trigger the script. One step closer at least
[02:08] <Jordan_U> nbros652: How are you trying to unlock the screen? What happens when you do?
[02:09] <nbros652> somsip, actually it ran before in cron. It's behaving the same way in xinitrc as it did in cron.
[02:09] <somsip> nbros652: ah - ok
[02:11] <Jordan_U> nbros652: I now see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/1307163 , but it's still more secure (and probably simpler) to use an existing locking implementation. You could possibly switch to xscreensaver or another lock screen.
[02:11] <nbros652> Jordan_U, I don't actually lock the screen. I disable all inputs (xinput) and blank the screen (xset). Then I reverse everything to "unlock"
[02:12] <Jordan_U> nbros652: I know, and I'm suggesting that since your end goal is to have the session "locked", you should instead use purpose built software to accomplish it.
[02:13] <nbros652> Jordan_U, I just might go that route. I was thinking of doing that.
[02:13] <nbros652> I'm still curious though because I was still thinking of blanking the screen using a similar script for other reasons (not locking).
[02:21] <nbros652> Jordan_U, somsip: Thanks for the input. I'll keep playing with it
[02:21] <Jordan_U> nbros652: You're welcome.
[02:24] <somsip> nbros652: np
[02:32] <scavmartin> does anyone know of a working sudo package with sssd support for freeipa on Ubuntu 12.04?
[02:37] <themusicgod1> if the launcher disappears in fallback gnome in 14.04 (possibly by something being clicked) is there a way to re-enable it?
[02:47] <fishdealer> hey trying to use xrandr to change resolution of monitor VGA1 anyone know command to do this?
[02:49] <daftykins> xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768
[02:49] <daftykins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[02:56] <zauhari> test brother
[02:57] <daftykins> fail
[03:10] <gunndawg> Could someone explain to me why unchecking "use system title bar and borders" gets rid of the minimize, maximize, close buttons on chrome?
[03:11] <ianorlin> gunndawg: because those are provided by the system title bar
[03:27] <vitprado> hello
[03:27] <daftykins> hi
[03:27] <vitprado> google is down?
[03:28] <vitprado> or only here?
[03:28] <daftykins> i don't know where you are in the world.
[03:28] <daftykins> so answering that would be foolish
[03:28] <daftykins> try www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com :P
[03:29] <vitprado> thanks
[03:29] <vitprado> is already normal =)
[03:37] <shortstraw8> Anyone have a good recommendation for a very basic free autoCAD for linux?
[03:37] <timer159> ?
[03:37] <timer159> test
[03:38] <timer159> can anyone read my msg?
[03:38] <shortstraw8> Yes timer159
[03:38] <daftykins> http://alternativeto.net/software/autocad/?platform=linux
[03:39] <daftykins> !test | timer159
[03:39] <timer159> oh.why can't I post message at some other channel?
[03:39] <timer159> like archlinux?
[03:40] <MrPPS> Hey guys, I've got an FDE setup (done at installation time of my distro from the Live CD). I'm adding an additional hard drive, and I'd like this to be encrypted also. Is there a "best method" approach to this scenario?
[03:40] <ubuntuser13> i installed oald8 successfully in ubuntu. Desktop icon also created. but when i run it by clicking on Desktop icon. nothing happens.why?
[03:40] <MrPPS> Ideally, I was thinking of having it encrypted with the same key, auto mounted as /home at boot time, but, if this is not possible, does anyone have a suggestion as to the best alternative? Thanks
[03:40] <ubuntuser13> i'm running ubuntu 14.04 64bit.
[03:40] <daftykins> timer159: go ask #freenode please.
[03:41] <timer159> !test
[03:42] <timer159> what/who is ubottu?
[03:42] <daftykins> a bot for this channel.
[03:42] <timer159> aha. Thanks.
[03:42] <daftykins> timer159: now this is an ubuntu channel for support only, so...
[03:42] <shortstraw8> I have seen those daftykins. Any experience with them?
[03:42] <daftykins> nope!
[03:42] <timer159> sorry. I see. Thank you guys.
[03:48] <datakid_> I'm trying some upstart init scripts for the first time
[03:48] <datakid_> they are not working
[03:49] <datakid_> the docs would indicate that creating the conf files and checking them with init-checkconf is sufficient for them to start working
[03:52] <datakid_> the init-checkconf comes up good
[03:53] <datakid_> but post reboot nothing is running
[03:53] <datakid_> well, neither of my init's
[03:56] <Jonno_FTW> hi, I have a .so file that is in a non-standard location, how do I make it visible when running programs?
[04:00] <azizLIGHT> when i try to open my archive in archive manager it complains that "could not open 'data.ext4.win000' Archive type not supported." .... whats the problem? how do i fix it? its suppose to be a multi-part archive win000 win001 win002 win003 and win004
[04:00] <daftykins> created by what?
[04:02] <azizLIGHT> by a backup utility for anndroid. it says it makes tar files
[04:03] <daftykins> so name them appropriately
[04:03] <azizLIGHT> i tried to rename a archive who only has 1 file, with .tar, and it worked. but i cannot figure out what the file names should be for a multi part win files
[04:03] <daftykins> or run "file <filename>" on them
[04:03] <azizLIGHT> i have tried .tar, .tar.000 .tar.001 and so on
[04:03] <daftykins> well you can't just make things up
[04:03] <azizLIGHT> what do you mean?
[04:04] <daftykins> run the above
[04:04] <azizLIGHT> it says "data.ext4.win000: POSIX tar archive (GNU)
[04:05] <azizLIGHT> data.ext4.win001: POSIX tar archive (GNU)
[04:05] <daftykins> it might actually be that they're not spanned
[04:05] <azizLIGHT> what does that mena
[04:05] <daftykins> they might be freestanding
[04:05] <azizLIGHT> oh, like indepenent archives that dont rly on each other
[04:05] <azizLIGHT> *rely
[04:06] <daftykins> so rename the first to win000.tar and see if it opens
[04:06] <daftykins> the reason that it segmented them is because likely your card is not exFAT and cannot handle a huge single file
[04:06] <daftykins> i bet they're all a similar size, yeah?
[04:06] <daftykins> ls -hl /path/where/they/are/
[04:06] <azizLIGHT> yes it opened
[04:06] <azizLIGHT> cool!
[04:07] <azizLIGHT> yeah theyre all 1.6gb except forthe last one
[04:07] <azizLIGHT> and i had a fat32 filesystem to backup to
[04:07] <daftykins> ah-har, that'll be why then
[04:08] <azizLIGHT> i just thought they were multi-part files. like how many archvives are
[04:08] <daftykins> ;)
[04:08] <azizLIGHT> never seen independent archives that are named numerically
[04:08] <daftykins> only for certain illegal obtaining of content :P
[04:08] <azizLIGHT> yeah lol
[04:08] <daftykins> but naturally nobody here would do any of that...
[04:08] <azizLIGHT> heh
[04:08] <azizLIGHT> never
[04:09] <azizLIGHT> thanks daftykins now i can check out my files
[04:09] <daftykins> np
[04:10] <ubuntuser13> Error: Could not create the Java Virtual Machine.Error: A fatal exception has occurred. Program will exit how to solve these?
[04:11] <Ben64> ubuntuser13: more details are required
[04:11] <azizLIGHT> insufficient data for meaningful answer
[04:12] <ubuntuser13> Ben64: actually i installed a java based software in ubuntu. but unable to run it. java7 installed properly. but unable to execute program.
[04:12] <daftykins> ubuntuser13: you need to tell us what you did to get that error
[04:12] <daftykins> we're not mind readers, you see
[04:13] <ubuntuser13> in terminal i type: /usr/bin /home/***/isg/1sg2 where isg is program name. it shows following errors.
[04:14] <daftykins> "/usr/bin program" ? no that can't be right.
[04:14] <ubuntuser13> daftykins: sorry /bin/sh
[04:14] <daftykins> but that's a shell...
[04:14] <Ben64> ubuntuser13: pastebin the *exact* command and the full error
[04:15] <ubuntuser13> daftykins: yes software is executable. like isg.sh.
[04:15] <daftykins> you're running it wrong, if it has a proper shebang then you would chmod +x then "./script.sh"
[04:16] <ubuntuser13> daftykins: i did that. program installed correctly.
[04:16] <ubuntuser13> Ben64:http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10769818/
[04:17] <Ben64> what is the program
[04:17] <ubuntuser13> Ben64: http://searchgurbani.com/sgdv/isg for ubuntu/unix
[04:18] <daftykins> what happens when you type "java -version" ?
[04:19] <ubuntuser13> daftykins: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10769835/ it shows java version.
[04:21] <Ben64> ubuntuser13: looks like you were here on november 19th with the same problem with the same program. maybe contact whoever makes it and ask them for help
[04:23] <ubuntuser13> Ben64: please tell me how to see logs at freenode?
[04:23] <daftykins> maybe you don't have a JAVA_HOME
[04:24] <ubuntuser13> Ben64: this problem occured due to java errors . not because of that software.
[04:25] <ubuntuser13> daftykins: how to get JAVA_HOME?
[04:26] <Ben42_> ubuntuser13: you should not be so sure, java is likely working fine
[04:27] <ubuntuser13> Ben42_: i think i should reinstall java.
[04:28] <Ben42_> ubuntuser13: no, you should ask whoever made that software
[04:29] <ubuntuser13> Ben42_: these errors connected with java not with that software.
[04:29] <OerHeks> Does java have a debug option?
[04:29] <Ben42_> incorrect
[04:29] <ubuntuser13> Ben42_ java could not create a virtual machine. this is a java problem.
[04:30] <Ben42_> java -version works, so java works
[04:30] <Ben42_> whatever that script does is not working properly
[04:30] <OerHeks> ubuntuser13, that software is written in the time of 'java 6 or higher'
[04:31] <OerHeks> ubuntu btw this software is in beta 1.0 http://beta.searchgurbani.com/sgdv/isg
[04:31] <OerHeks> :-D
[04:31] <OerHeks> worth a try
[04:32] <jason__> I just downloaded it and it worked for me. o_O
[04:32] <ubuntuser13> OerHeks: see the first line , updated April, 2015.
[04:34] <ubuntuser13> jason_: this is a sikh religious Software.
[04:35] <jason__> yeah I just downloaded it out of curiosity
[04:35] <jason__> I ran the shell script and it opened an installer window.
[04:36] <wmw> hey, i need some help
[04:36] <ubuntuser13> jason_: so please use this, according to sikh customs and traditions. this program installed correctly on my system also but i unable to run it due to java errors.
[04:37] <azizLIGHT> why cant i make exfat via gparted for a usb drive
[04:38] <azizLIGHT> its grayed out
[04:41] <azizLIGHT> i even did 'sudo apt-get install exfat-utils exfat-fuse'
[04:43] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, known isue, gparted only detects exfat > sudo mkfs.exfat -n LABEL /dev/sdc1 # where sdc1 is your usb drive
[04:45] <azizLIGHT> hm ok
[04:45] <azizLIGHT> why even bother listing it
[04:45] <azizLIGHT> lets tease the user with something he cant make
[04:45] <azizLIGHT> ??
[04:50] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, after making exfat, does the drive have GPT ?
[04:51] <OerHeks> then i think you should try an other usb drive, remove the mbr and create GPT, maybe the option is then not greyed out
[04:52] <OerHeks> that 'greyed out' bothers me, the opton is there,
[04:53] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: how do i check if its gpt?
[04:53] <OerHeks> sudo fdisk -l # fdisk will complain about gpt
[04:55] <azizLIGHT> it didnt complain about gpt
[04:55] <azizLIGHT> about my /dev/sde
[04:56] <OerHeks> oh oke, ofcourse not, with those fuse utils.. does it say gpt?
[04:56] <azizLIGHT> which fuse util? how do i use it to check gpt?
[04:56] <DuvyDude> could someone help me? i keep getting this hang up during boot: http://dpaste.com/0QKMJ9K
[04:57] <OerHeks> azizLIGHT, fdisk shows here > Disklabel type: gpt
[04:59] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: i dont see anything like that in sudo fdisk -l
[05:00] <daftykins> azizLIGHT: fdisk doesn't support GPT :P
[05:04] <OerHeks> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10770087/
[05:04] <daftykins> hey wait a minute :P since when...
[05:04] <daftykins> i thought it usually detected GPT then threw its' hands up and said "i'm not touching that!"
[05:05] <OerHeks> that was my 1st reaction too
[05:05] <OerHeks> it will give an error complaining about GPT, so it is 99% certain it is GPT
[05:08] <OerHeks> so how does your fdisk look like azizLIGHT ?
[05:08] <TurtleDan> I keep gettin these errors when I update. Should I just ignore them? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10770110/
[05:09] <daftykins> PPA is dead, remove it
[05:11] <OerHeks> TurtleDan, see https://launchpad.net/~jon-severinsson/+related-packages
[05:11] <OerHeks> ppa-purge would restore to the original files
[05:11] <TurtleDan> Thank you.
[05:11] <daftykins> ubuntu ditched ffmpeg so there won't be any, i think?
[05:12] <OerHeks> maybe it returns, not sure
[05:19] <azizLIGHT> OerHeks: i just made it exfat from Disks
[05:20] <mlll> hi
[05:35] <DuvyDude> could someone help me? i keep getting this hang up during boot: http://dpaste.com/0QKMJ9K
[05:35] <daftykins> and what do you do? skip?
[05:36] <daftykins> edit /etc/fstab and check the entries against 'sudo blkid'
[05:38] <AfterDarkness> hello, when i do 'fdisk -l /dev/sdc' (my sd card) i get type BBT. what is bbt?
[05:40] <AfterDarkness> how can i mount a BBT type?
[05:41] <daftykins> what about 'sudo parted -l' ?
[05:42] <AfterDarkness> partition table: unknown
[05:42] <daftykins> !info pmount
[05:42] <AfterDarkness> i have it installed but dont know how to use it to be honest, have to look at the man page
[05:43] <AfterDarkness> but i should use pmount instead of mount right?
[05:43] <daftykins> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-819835.html
[05:43] <daftykins> see the post before last on there
[05:44] <AfterDarkness> Error: device /dev/sdc4 does not exist
[05:44] <daftykins> don't just paste things randomly, read the post there and use your head :)
[05:44] <AfterDarkness> I did read that exact link before coming here tho :D
[05:45] <AfterDarkness> that is when i installed pmount
[05:45] <ANJ7> I install code blocks in my ubuntu by source code. Now I cannot run it. How can I run it?
[05:45] <ANJ7> installed*
[05:45] <cached> so i know this isn't ubuntu related, but are there any freenode ops here around? some dude is spamming the heck out of #python and #freenode and neither seem to have anyone around to take care of it
[05:45] <daftykins> you shouldn't install software that way if you can avoid it.
[05:46] <daftykins> cached: you're right, that is completely irrelevant to this channel :)
[05:46] <ANJ7> how can I run it now?
[05:46] <daftykins> depends if your compilation worked and where that put the files
[05:46] <daftykins> i have no idea :)
[05:47] <daftykins> this is why you should use packages
[05:47] <ANJ7> it gives an error
[05:47] <ANJ7> codeblocks: error while loading shared libraries: libcodeblocks.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[05:47] <daftykins> yeah so it can't find that
[05:48] <ANJ7> but I did every step ./configure, make and sudo make install
[05:48] <daftykins> packages.
[05:49] <ANJ7> i know but atleast once I want to build it from source and run
[05:49] <daftykins> probably came with a readme, or has one on their site
[05:50] <AfterDarkness> daftykins, gparted say that the device has only an unallocated partition, but on my other PC I can see that there are files
[05:50] <genii> ANJ7: Do you have package libcodeblocks0 installed?
[05:50] <AfterDarkness> only one*
[05:50] <ANJ7> donno
[05:50] <genii> !info libcodeblocks0
[05:50] <gr33n7007h> ANJ7: edit /etc/ld.so.conf
[05:50] <genii> hrm
[05:52] <ANJ7> gr33n7007h, what should I edit ?
[05:52] <gr33n7007h> ANJ7: add /usr/local/lib into that file
[05:52] <ANJ7> oh, ok
[05:53] <ANJ7> gr33n7007h, its already there
[05:54] <gr33n7007h> ANJ7: type sudo ldconfig then try open code blocks again?
[05:55] <ANJ7> gr33n7007h, thanks its opening now :)
[05:55] <gr33n7007h> ANJ7: np
[06:06] <makara> hi. From bash how can I tell if I'm using ubuntu server or ubuntu desktop?
[06:06] <daftykins> one has a GUI. one does not.
[06:07] <hateball> Pre-installed, that is
[06:10] <n-iCe> Which one is lighter, mate xubuntu or lubuntu
[06:10] <genii> lubuntu
[06:11] <ablest1980> is lubuntu light ubuntu?
[06:11] <ablest1980> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu
[06:12] <ablest1980> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[06:12] <n-iCe> mate looks promising
[06:22] <gr33n7007h> makara: [ `uname -r | grep -qs "\-server"` ] && echo "server" || echo "desktop"
[06:27] <geirha> makara: Why does the distinction matter?
[06:30] <gr33n7007h> geirha: s\he's either lost their fingers or fell asleep
[06:51] <makara> gr33n7007h: that doesn't work
[06:51] <makara> geirha: just wondering
[06:51] <daftykins> makara: surely you know what you have installed on your own systems?
[06:52] <makara> daftykins: a bundled droplet with a whole lot of crap services
[06:53] <makara> i know, its pretty daft. Just check for X
[06:53] <daftykins> that's not actually an answer to my question
[06:53] <makara> what was your question?
[06:53] <daftykins> you can see it above
[06:53] <makara> oh
[07:10] <htqp> makara: apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop* | grep '\*\*\*'
[07:10] <htqp> where ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop,etc. are the metapcakages for the respective ubuntu flavors
[07:11] <daftykins> what if someone had avoided the meta packages and installed X components manually? ;)
[07:12] <htqp> and what if I install the server version then the desktop packages without the meta-package?
[07:13] <daftykins> i feel like you just repeated what i said
[07:16] <sweb1> how to edit fstab saftly ... i dont have VNC .. i just have ssh
[07:16] <sweb1> if i miss somthing i cant access my server after restart
[07:17] <makara> sweb1: you could attach that disk to another VM and edit the fstab from there
[07:17] <makara> I've done that
[07:19] <makara> htqp: comes up blank on both desktop and server
[07:19] <k1l_> sweb1: use a cli editor over ssh like nano. is not a big issue
[07:19] <k1l_> *it is
[07:21] <gr33n7007h> makara: what does uname -rv say?
[07:22] <gr33n7007h> or does ubuntu desktop and ubuntu server use the same generic kernel now?
[07:22] <k1l_> gr33n7007h: yes they do
[07:22] <gr33n7007h> k1l_: ah ok scrap that then makara
[07:23] <daftykins> gr33n7007h: have done since 12.04
[07:23] <daftykins> despite the factoids being wrong still
[07:23] <gr33n7007h> daftykins: I'm way behind the times :P
[07:23] <daftykins> ;]
[07:24] <k1l_> the sources.list should name the install media in the header
[07:25] <k1l_> and you can lookup if you got a *dm installed and running.
[07:26] <adoniscik> I'm trying to coax grub into seeing a new operating system I installed after buying a new hard drive. upgrade-grub2 didn't do it. Can someone lend a hand?
[07:32] <QwertyDragon> "sudo update-grub" In terminal might work.
[07:34] <adoniscik> that's the same as update-grub2 though
[07:45] <geirha> gr33n7007h: even if it did end in -server, your test will always claim it's desktop
[07:49] <gr33n7007h> geirha: I know, was to early in the morning ;P
[07:50] <gr33n7007h> my brain doesn't function properly till about dinner
[07:50] <daftykins> you need a coffee injection :)
[07:50] <gr33n7007h> on my fourth cup already :)
[07:51] <hawa> how do i open different application in different window using terminal??? i tried to do it using wmctrl bt it did not work. May be I was doing something wrong... my machine is ubuntu12.04
[07:52] <Mouzz> Is there a way to specify a preferred dns server which is always used/tried first? I use one internal dns server (which resolves local names and redirects other requests to a public dns) and a public dns for when the nternal one is unreachable. The problem now is that Ubuntu seems to be switching to the second (public) dns I have entered in NM...
[07:52] <cfhowlett> Mouzz, yes you can use a custom DNS. Over my head, but perhaps ##linux or #ubuntu-server would know the details.
[07:52] <daftykins> Mouzz: maybe if you kept the external only and hardcoded your internal hosts that you need to hit, you could bypass that
[07:54] <digitsm> Hello
[07:54] <daftykins> hi
[07:54] <digitsm> I still have problem with installing ubuntu on a PC with Nvidia GTX 750 Ti
[07:54] <daftykins> digitsm: boot with nomodeset?
[07:54] <daftykins> !nomodeset
[07:55] <daftykins> once installed you need to add the xorg-edgers PPA then install the nvidia-346 package
[07:55] <digitsm> I installed xubuntu 14.04, followed this instructions http://askubuntu.com/questions/425140/unable-toboot-with-nvidia-gtx-750-ti-even-with-latest-beta-drivers
[07:55] <digitsm> Then updated and driver doesn't work now
[07:55] <daftykins> oh so i suppose i have to read that to help you, huh? :)
[07:55] <daftykins> digitsm: so you downloaded the driver from nvidia direct?
[07:56] <digitsm> daftykins, Yes
[07:56] <daftykins> ok that was a bad move
[07:56] <Mouzz> cfhowlett: daftykins: I'll try the suggested #'s thnx. And I use an internal dns for a reason :) Too much work to copy around the growing and changing the (local-)hosts file like in the 70ies :)
[07:56] <daftykins> that is why it's broken now
[07:56] <daftykins> digitsm: you need to re-run the installer if you want to fix it as-is.
[07:56] <digitsm> daftykins, Do you suggest using xorg-edgers?
[07:56] <daftykins> yes
[07:56] <daftykins> but you'll need to remove what you have now for that to be an option
[07:57] <digitsm> daftykins, really?
[07:57] <daftykins> digitsm: yes
[07:57] <digitsm> You mean I have to uninstall the driver I downloaded from nvidia? how?
[07:57] <daftykins> run the nvidia uninstaller
[07:59] <digitsm> daftykins, I only ran a .run file
[07:59] <daftykins> yes
[07:59] <daftykins> digitsm: type "nvidia" then hit tab, it might resolve a -uninstall
[07:59] <digitsm> daftykins, you mean running "NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-334.21_2.run" again?
[08:00] <daftykins> no i do not
[08:00] <digitsm> daftykins, I found command nvidia-uninstall
[08:00] <daftykins> i mean running what i said
[08:00] <digitsm> daftykins, After uninstalling nvidia-uninstall, should I go to tty1?
[08:00] <digitsm> because xorg will go off I think
[08:01] <skepticle> Hey folks, having an issue with my new ubuntu install. about 20px on each side of my monitors is hidden, i have changed the resolution and still have the same issues. i have also adjusted the overscan on both monitors and even when set to 4:whatever the portions of the screen are still missing but with a massive gap where the aspect ratio is changed. any info
[08:01] <daftykins> you should add xorg-edgers first, uninstall, then apt-get update && apt-get install nvidia-346
[08:02] <daftykins> skepticle: graphics hardware + driver?
[08:02] <digitsm> nvidia 346 instead of 349?
[08:02] <digitsm> daftykins, Thank you very much for helping. I stuck with it for 3 days
[08:02] <daftykins> i don't think 349 is in the xorg edgers PPA, let me see
[08:02] <digitsm> daftykins, it is
[08:03] <daftykins> ah ok that's recent then
[08:03] <skepticle> Daftykins XFX 7750HD with AMD catalyse propietary drivers for linux have been updated to no avail
[08:03] <daftykins> skepticle: you've queried the scaling options within the CCC though?
[08:04] <skepticle> daftykins: there is no CCC gui
[08:04] <daftykins> i've seen pics of it and guides for resolving overscan, so you must be mistaken
[08:04] <skepticle> daftykins: then i may or may not have done something wrong D:
[08:05] <skepticle> one sec.
[08:08] <digitsm> daftykins, I uninstalled manually installed nvidia driver, but my Xorg didn't went down (I mean tty7 is still running)
[08:08] <digitsm> !
[08:08] <digitsm> daftykins, Is it ok?
[08:09] <digitsm> daftykins, p.s. I also blacklisted nouveau
[08:09] <daftykins> just follow the steps then reboot after
[08:09] <digitsm> daftykins, OK
[08:09] <daftykins> yeah the guide you followed was pretty terrible
[08:10] <Meinskur> Digitsm, remember to remove the USB after you've installed Ubuntu, I had that problem last night xD
[08:10] <digitsm> daftykins, Oooh
[08:11] <daftykins> Meinskur: it's already an installed version
[08:11] <trijntje> is there a way to get man to write its output to stdout or a file?
[08:11] <Meinskur> allright :D
[08:12] <skepticle> daftykins, think i fixed my mistake, gonna restart and find out ^.^ Danke
[08:13] <ahmetalpbalkan> Hi folks, how can I find the list of the URLs downloaded to the machine during an 'apt-get install'. I'm trying to do this to measure network performance of the repos I'm using and I'm planning to curl to /dev/null and measure download time to isolate disk speed in this equation.
[08:14] <daftykins> kind of a waste on the repos, no? :)
[08:14] <ahmetalpbalkan> lol
[08:14] <daftykins> ubuntu already has a 'find best mirror' function, you know?
[08:14] <ahmetalpbalkan> daftykins: I'm pretty sure what I'm doing :D
[08:14] <ahmetalpbalkan> I need to measure speed of the best the mirror used
[08:14] <daftykins> why?
[08:15] <daftykins> perhaps if i can understand what you're trying to achieve, there might be an easier way
[08:15] <gunndawg> Is there any way to adjust picture quality for flash (mostly live streams) using Ubuntu 14.04 and chrome? Seems the same streams I usually go to are somewhat lesser quality than when viewed on my windows machine.
[08:16] <daftykins> that'll be down to Google who provide pepperflash, not ubuntu
[08:16] <daftykins> see if they offer an HTML5 version perhaps?
[08:16] <ahmetalpbalkan> daftykins: I work at a cloud provider and I want to measure network speed of the repos we have from VMs and compare with others
[08:16] <ahmetalpbalkan> I thought finding out what blobs downloaded and downloading them without writing them to disk and measuring download times would be a bit apples to apples comparison
[08:17] <ahmetalpbalkan> because cloud providers provide different disk write speeds and I want to take that out of equation
[08:17] <skepticle> daftykins: Got it sorted, You're the real MVP :D
[08:17] <daftykins> most vicious penguin \o/
[08:17] <daftykins> skepticle: was the scaling option responsible?
[08:18] <skepticle> Daftykins: Yeah, apparently i installed like a complete moron, my linux skills be rusty :3
[08:18] <daftykins> it's no wonder when drivers are like AMDs :(
[08:19] <skepticle> lol i know right, too cheap for intel though >.<
[08:19] <skepticle> Anyways, Thanks for the help. I owe you a beer! :D
[08:20] <daftykins> hehe enjoy
[08:24] <digitsm> daftykins, I can't "sudo aptitude install nvidia-346" It waits for headers forever :(
[08:24] <daftykins> digitsm: you update'd first yes?
[08:24] <digitsm> daftykins, yes
[08:24] <daftykins> also why do people use aptitude when apt-get comes built in
[08:25] <yongxinghui> ubuntu 14.04 can not rotate 90 degree with Intel GMA3600: My video card is Intel integrated GMA3600, when I choose to rotate 90 degrees in "Display Setting", the display show the message "the Signal is Lost". what can I do to support it?
[08:25] <daftykins> digitsm: ctrl+c and try again, maybe it's your connection
[08:26] <digitsm> daftykins, I connect through a VPN
[08:26] <digitsm> daftykins, But I can view webpage of xorg-edgers
[08:27] <daftykins> well, do what you have to
[08:29] <digitsm> daftykins, How can I know if PPA of xorg-edgers is available or not?
[08:29] <digitsm> I mean its url
[08:30] <digitsm> I don't have its URL to test it
[08:32] <daftykins> digitsm: if you've having issues, look at the packages it wants to grab, download them manually and install via sudo dpkg -i blah.deb
[08:33] <digitsm> daftykins, I want to exactly do so, but how could I find that package?
[08:33] <xsi> "apt-get install gnome-sound-recorder"
[08:33] <xsi> no gnome-sound-recorder
[08:34] <gr33n7007h> hawa: something like: wmctrl -s 1 && program &
[08:34] <hawa> gr33n7007h, turns out, unity has only one workspace split int 4 viewport... I have to use my screen coordinates...
[08:35] <daftykins> digitsm: what do you mean?
[08:35] <digitsm> daftykins, Nothing, I found it
[08:35] <gr33n7007h> ah, yes I forgot about that
[08:36] <digitsm> But it seems that downloading from launchpad is extremely slow. Maybe the firewall of my company is filtering the files
[08:37] <Logic1> Its always kind of slow for me
[08:39] <AndreeeCZ> hi! how can i check what cpu scheduler i'm using?
[08:41] <digitsm> daftykins, I temporarily reinstalled nvidia 334.21 which I downloaded from Nvidia website
[08:41] <digitsm> After installing enough packages (like proxies, etc.) I will retry installing from xorg-edgers
[08:41] <digitsm> dragly, Thanks
[08:41] <daftykins> ok
[08:46] <vlt> Hello. What tool can I use to compare two images and get an amount of similarity? For example: Image A is a screenshot of a movie and I want to compare it to (a sequence of still images of the) movie and find the timestamp it was taken. Any idea?
[08:48] <shafox> Hi, I have installed jenkins, now i switched to jenkins user using sudo su - jenkins, i tried to print which java, which javac it gave nothing. while in my username i can see those values. How can i set those to jenkins user as well ?
[08:48] <Ben64> vlt: findimagedupes
[08:49] <vlt> Ben64: Thanks, I’ll have a look at it.
[08:49] <vitimiti> Hello, I have bought a new USB2.0, and when I put it into my Ubuntu machine it is mounted as a DVD and I can't format it or change its contents, how can I fix this?
[08:51] <hateball> vitimiti: by USB2.0, do you mean a thumbstick/flashdrive?
[08:51] <vitimiti> hateball, yes
[08:51] <hateball> vitimiti: Check that it does not have one of those hardware read-only switches
[08:52] <vitimiti> hateball, I don't see any, I do see it comes with an antivirus inside of it
[08:52] <vitimiti> Oh, I forgot, this is the dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10771119/
[08:53] <Ben64> vitimiti: http://media.kingston.com/support/downloads/DTVP_userManual_002.pdf
[08:54] <hateball> Interesting, a manufacturer that makes the effort to support Linux
[08:54] <vitimiti> Ben64, thank you
[08:56] <daftykins> hateball: don't worry, it won't last
[08:56] <daftykins> :>
[09:01] <digitsm> Hmmm. I want to install ubuntu 14.04.1 on a new PC (and then update it so it won't update its kernel to latest)
[09:01] <digitsm> From where could I download 14.04.1 iso for amd64?
[09:02] <daftykins> yeah that works fine, i do that to avoid having the utopic HWE of 14.04.2
[09:02] <daftykins> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[09:03] <daftykins> oh they've culled the .1 ISOs now =/
[09:03] <digitsm> daftykins, yes :(
[09:04] <daftykins> digitsm: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/14.04.1/release/
[09:04] <daftykins> there you go
[09:05] <digitsm> daftykins, the link doesn't exist
[09:06] <daftykins> i don't know what you mean, but actually that just has the mac edition ISOs :<
[09:07] <yongxinghui> xubuntu 14.04 can not rotate 90 degree with Intel GMA3600: My video card is Intel integrated GMA3600, when I choose to rotate 90 degrees in "Display Setting", the display show the message "the Signal is Lost". what can I do to support it?
[09:09] <daftykins> digitsm: there's always the mini.iso - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/trusty/
[09:12] <iptable> digilink, http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/
[09:13] <daftykins> same thing. same issue.
[09:13] <iptable> digitsm, http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/releases/
[09:13] <iptable> you can download full ISO from there for 14.04.1
[09:13] <daftykins> iptable: if you follow the actual link it's got the same issue as my links
[09:14] <Ben64> whats the issue?
[09:14] <digitsm> daftykins, At last I found a link to download it from a download center from my country
[09:14] <digitsm> Ben64, nothing :-"
[09:14] <swizgard_> hi
[09:15] <daftykins> Ben64: 14.04.1 ISOs have been culled at last :( some of us don't want to use the utopic HWE
[09:15] <iptable> daftykins, what's the problem?
[09:15] <iptable> daftykins, ubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-amd64+mac.iso is there!
[09:15] <Ben64> daftykins: they're literally in the link you gave
[09:15] <daftykins> iptable: yeah that's the mac spin though
[09:15] <Ben64> uh...
[09:15] <iptable> daftykins, no, that's amd64
[09:15] <Ben64> amd64+mac
[09:15] <iptable> and mac
[09:15] <daftykins> they were always separate in the past
[09:16] <Ben64> not anymore
[09:16] <cfhowlett> daftykins, no more "mac" spin. AMD 64 is now mac standard
[09:16] <Ben64> if you notice, there is no 14.04.2 amd64 without mac either
[09:16] <daftykins> weird how the ones i downloaded didn't have mac in the name then
[09:16] <swizgard_> i have a weird ram-problem. i upgraded (completely replaced) ram in my laptop. with one piece of ram i get a kernel panic after "decompressing kernel", with two i get a beep and restart. but when i use a ubuntu live system from usb stick i come as far as choosing "try" or "install" (with one piece of ram)
[09:16] <iptable> daftykins, on official download they may be called different
[09:17] <swizgard_> does that make any sense to someone here?
[09:17] <daftykins> swizgard_: memtest with all configurations
[09:17] <daftykins> or perhaps BIOS update
[09:17] <Ben64> memtest first, its the easiest
[09:18] <swizgard_> daftykins: how do i memtest with these new live systems? there is no option for that anymore...
[09:18] <daftykins> should be
[09:18] <daftykins> swizgard_: if you don't see 'test memory' then just make up a bootable medium with memtest86+ on
[09:19] <iptable> swizgard_, when you put in liveCD/USB of ubuntu server, you have memtesst option. for desktop one, you may need to hold ctrl (or shift?) while booting to see grub boot menu. you shouldn't need to though. Go to "advanced options" and memtest is there
[09:20] <iptable> swizgard_, alternatively, on memtest website itself, they have pre-built ISOs: http://www.memtest.org/#downiso
[09:21] <daftykins> a fine echo :)
[09:22] <AntiSol> hi
[09:22] <daftykins> hi
[09:23] <AntiSol> I'm having trouble with the patch utility and was hoping somebody could help me
[09:23] <daftykins> ask away with detail on one line
[09:23] <lonelybyte> how to solved No apm support in kernel?
[09:24] <AntiSol> I'm trying to apply the patch from http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.ext4/18338. I did apt-get source e2fsprogs and saved the patch from that page. when I do 'patch -p1 < patchfile.patch' it tells me that it's patching the files but it doesn't make any changes to the files.
[09:25] <lonelybyte> No apm support in kernel why this problem?
[09:25] <AntiSol> i also tried patch --verbose but it doesn't give any insight, seems to indicate that everything is ok. but the files dont change. am I missing something obvious?
[09:32] <daftykins> AntiSol: permissions perhaps?
[09:32] <daftykins> i gotta run, ttfn
[09:32] <davevanloo> o/
[09:33] <AntiSol> no it's not permissions akaik, I have write access to everything.
[09:33] <AntiSol> patch gives a 0 return code as if everything is ok
[09:33] <AntiSol> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10771372/
[09:33] <davevanloo> hey all, i was wondering if any one knows of a way to get a flash player full screen on a non primary monitor. from what i have read its prety impossible, accept for youtube.. but then id have to use html 5 ( aka firefox nightly )
[09:35] <shafox> In this answer http://stackoverflow.com/a/8185849/1460910, it is written that it must be available for the user that starts Jenkins. How can I give jenkins user to have java_home variable
[09:36] <Rory> Can I get the "old" right-click->appearence application back? I installed shiki-colors and don't know how to set the theme
[09:36] <Rory> I'm wearing my Jaunty Jackalope shirt. I liked Jaunty Jackalope a lot. I could always find the theme selector there.
[09:38] <davevanloo> shirts of software you like do rule! :)
[09:45] <norc> touch /tmp/foo; chmod +x /tmp/foo; export PATH=/tmp/:$PATH; su - citt -c "foo"
[09:45] <norc> Why doesnt this work?
[09:46] <norc> Why isnt su - user -c "some_command" using the PATH?
[09:46] <norc> (Executing `su -c user -c "echo $PATH"´ shows that the PATH is properly set within the command)
[09:47] <pandb> so i know this isn't exactly the channel for it, but what exactly can I *do* with d-bus?
[09:50] <rbasak> pandb: you can provide an API to other applications over it, and you can access the API of any application that provides an API through d-bus.
[09:50] <davevanloo> dang you beat me! :P
[09:52] <yossarianuk> hi - reading this http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-15-04-Launches-in-Two-Weeks-Will-Be-Based-on-Linux-Kernel-3-19-3-477904.shtml
[09:52] <yossarianuk> it looks like ubuntu 15.04 is going to be based on kernel 3.19.3
[09:52] <yossarianuk> does that mean BTRFS users are screwed ?
[09:53] <yossarianuk> i.e https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gotchas - you need 3.19.4 + or you may have an unbootable system with btrfs
[09:54] <basichash> should "sudo usermod -aG docker user" return any output?
[09:55] <basichash> i.e. how can i tell if it was successful?
[09:55] <EriC^^> basichash: cat /etc/passwd
[09:55] <EriC^^> basichash: it won't have a home dir though
[09:55] <EriC^^> also i think it's not -aG
[09:55] <EriC^^> just -G , -aG is for usermod
[09:56] <EriC^^> ah nevermind
[09:56] <EriC^^> basichash: type groups user to see the groups
[09:56] <basichash> EriC^^: yeah doesn't appear to be there
[09:56] <EriC^^> basichash: logout and back in
[09:56] <EriC^^> type or type sudo login user
[09:58] <basichash> EriC^^: thanks
[09:58] <EriC^^> np
[10:10] <zenny> Hi, trying to create a multiseat as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiseatTeam/Instructions with "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM]" card which has an hdmi, vga and dvi ports. But I could not figure out how to create a 99-multiseat.conf as described here (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiseatTeam/Instructions#Example_.232) for ati radeon cards with fglr
[10:16] <amade> hello
[10:16] <thegrreat> Hello amade
[10:19] <digitsm> daftykins, At last I successfully installed nvidia 346 and it works like a charm
[10:20] <digitsm> daftykins, I had to you proxychains + tor to access launchpad though!
[10:20] <davevanloo> digitsm, i did the same yesterday :)
[10:20] <davevanloo> i even got SLI to work properly ^
[10:20] <digitsm> davevanloo, :)
[10:21] <fishdealer> using xrandr how do I set VGA1 to res 1920x1080. xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 isn't working
[10:24] <aasp> which is the best distribution linux
[10:25] <aasp> exit
[10:25] <davevanloo> aasp: there is not "best" distribution its all about personal taste and requirements
[10:25] <davevanloo> oke.. lol
[10:26] <zenny> Repost: Hi, trying to create a multiseat as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiseatTeam/Instructions with "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM]" card which has an hdmi, vga and dvi ports. But I could not figure out how to create a 99-multiseat.conf as described here (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiseatTeam/Instructions#Example_.232) for ati radeon cards w
[10:28] <dreamer_> hi anyone here
[10:28] <dreamer_> i installed cakephp version since minutes ago
[10:29] <dreamer_> and when i run ./bin/cake server
[10:29] <dreamer_> and in my browser http://localhost:8765
[10:29] <dreamer_> CakePHP is NOT able to connect to the database.
[10:31] <jaykilleen> whats the cli command to upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04? has it released yet?
[10:31] <dreamer_> CakePHP is NOT able to connect to the database
[10:31] <dreamer_> sorry
[10:32] <dreamer_> apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:32] <DJones> jaykilleen: Its not been released yet, if you upgraded, you'd only have the development version
[10:40] <trijntje> what is the best way to run third party apps in isolation so they cannot read or write any files I dont want them to?
[10:40] <nejm> a vm maybe?
[10:41] <hateball> trijntje: there are several ways, as for what is "best" depends on your criterias
[10:41] <hateball> chroot, vm, container like docker... etc
[10:42] <hateball> merely running the apps as a separate user account without read-rights to your usual users $home could be enough
[10:43] <trijntje> hateball: I dont want to use a vm since I'll probably end up using a bunch of them at the same time
[10:44] <Ben64> vm really is the best choice for that, could even revert back to a known good image after you shut down
[10:44] <chotaz`w> trijntje, vagrant might help u?
[10:45] <MonkeyDust> oddly, i havent been able to launch linux desktops with vagrant
[10:45] <trijntje> Ben64: but its such a pain to get files into and out of a vm
[10:46] <Ben64> ...not really
[10:48] <hateball> trijntje: Suppose it depends on the apps you intend to run
[10:48] <hateball> You could create a new partition with a filesystem that supports snapshots, put a new users $home there, run apps as that user. Then you can restore using filesystem level snapshots as well...
[10:50] <trijntje> hateball: I want to use many different apps as part of a workflow, so logging in as another user or running part in a vm isnt really an option
[10:51] <Ben64> then give up on having them not affect anything
[10:51] <hateball> trijntje: you dont have to end your primary users session just to run single apps as a different user
[10:53] <hateball> Anyhow, it sounds like trying to create 10 problems rather than solving 1
[10:54] <trijntje> hateball: sure, but what is the point of logging in as another user if you then cannot access the files of the primary user which you need?
[10:54] <hateball> trijntje: I thought that was the entire point of your operation
[10:55] <hateball> Perhaps if you explain exactly what you're trying to achieve it's easier to find a "best" solution
[10:55] <MonkeyDust> i guess trijntje and hateball are not talking about the same thing
[10:55] <trijntje> hateball: the entire point of the operation is to have it only touch the files I wnat it to, not just everything
[10:55] <chotaz`w> I still think something like vagrant or puppet would help u, if you have such specific different workflows that can't interact with each other.
[10:56] <trijntje> I'm just looking for a way to restrict a program to reading/writing in one folder. If I want to use it I just copy the data to that folder, when I'm done I copy the output out of it
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:00] <hateball> trijntje: If it's a certain app you could probably achieve it using AppArmor
[11:00] <__zug__> All of a sudden (like the last week or so) I keep getting "Error interpreting JPEG image file (Not a JPEG file: starts with 0x52 0x49)" when I try to view saved .jpg files. Every file on discogs and other random places is doing this so it's not just one website doing it. From what I see on stackoverflow the file is a .png file but didn't change it. Anyting I can do on my on my end to stop this?
[11:00] <hserra0> Just use a sandbox for that application then?
[11:01] <Ben64> __zug__: stop what
[11:01] <__zug__> Ben64: why is this doing this?
[11:02] <Ben64> __zug__: didn't you just explain that it is a png file labeled jpg
[11:02] <__zug__> I can't open any files
[11:02] <__zug__> hold on...
[11:02] <trijntje> chotaz`w: vagrant looks interesting, since it does a lot of the work of setting up a vm.
[11:03] <chotaz`w> vagrant up and your good to go.
[11:03] <MonkeyDust> trijntje http://www.vagrantbox.es/
[11:05] <__zug__> Ben64: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11310220/why-am-i-getting-the-error-not-a-jpeg-file-starts-with-0x89-0x50 All this tells me is the files that I am download use to be .png files but no solution to fix the issue. Can I even fix the issue, supposedly it's the mistake of all the websites, not me. Do you thing this is true? If so, there's an awful lots of websites renaming there files from .png to .jpg all of a sudden.
[11:05] <Ben64> __zug__: what websites, what are you doing, explain more, where are you opening this stuff
[11:06] <victor> hello! I'm trying to sync my iphone music to my computer but Clementine doesn't 'see' my iphone, any idea?
[11:06] <hateball> !iphone | victor
[11:08] <__zug__> Ben64: discogs.com is one site and that's a huge webiste. right off hand, another one would be: http://www.stockhausen-verlag.net/img_posters/Verlag_Poster_23.jpg these are not the only website just two of the recent ones.
[11:09] <Ben64> __zug__: thats a jpg
[11:09] <__zug__> yeah, i know that
[11:09] <MonkeyDust> __zug__ yes, it shows a picture of some convention, what's wrong with it
[11:09] <__zug__> it doesn't on mine, that's why i'm aksing wtf
[11:10] <eax1> hello, guys!
[11:10] <Ben64> __zug__: on your what!
[11:10] <eax1> is way to add hotkey in ubuntu to boot time?
[11:10] <EriC^^> eax1: what are you trying to do?
[11:10] <__zug__> Ben64: When i save the file to the desktop and try and open it
[11:10] <Ben64> __zug__: with what!
[11:11] <eax1> EriC^^: I wann launch my application if some button is pressed at boot time
[11:11] <eax1> how to do that?
[11:11] <EriC^^> what do you mean at boot time?
[11:11] <EriC^^> after you login?
[11:11] <eax1> before
[11:11] <eax1> when ubuntu just starts
[11:12] <MrElendig> and just what app do you want to spawn?
[11:12] <MrElendig> and why?
[11:12] <EriC^^> at the login screen?
[11:12] <eax1> after loading drivers, autoload applications etc
[11:12] <eax1> before X will startx
[11:12] <__zug__> Ben64: with my default image viewer (The GNOME image viewer).
[11:13] <eax1> I want press down a button "u" and catch this event
[11:13] <Ben64> __zug__: what is the output of "file /path/to/the.jpg"
[11:13] <EriC^^> eax1: are you trying to write a keylogger?
[11:13] <EriC^^> lol
[11:14] <eax1> EriC^^: huh, may be keyloggers use same technique
[11:14] <EriC^^> eax1: what application do you want to start?
[11:14] <eax1> EriC^^: I want to start my-own writted application
[11:15] <Ben64> eax1: not possible, make it start on boot or something
[11:15] <EriC^^> lightdm can start apps..
[11:15] <EriC^^> eax1: what's the application do?
[11:16] <eax1> EriC^^: It will setup networking
[11:16] <eax1> beauty network configurator
[11:17] <Ben64> you know, ubuntu can already configure the network
[11:17] <eax1> huh! getchar() !
[11:18] <MonkeyDust> trijntje i have 1404-server (32 bit) running through vagrant, it's very easy
[11:18] <eax1> Ben64: ugly configurator? Oh no ... NEVER!
[11:19] <EriC^^> eax1: why don't you start it after you login?
[11:20] <EriC^^> you want tit system-wide?
[11:20] <EriC^^> *it
[11:20] <eax1> EriC^^: because it is must be hidden from user, and just service-personal must know about "magic button"
[11:41] <iptable> eax1, make the application a shell (unity or other) plugin with a keyboard shortcut that will trigger it
[11:41] <iptable> eax1, or alternatively setup a keyboard shortcut in the shell to start your app
[11:42] <trijntje> MonkeyDust: I'm reading the docs now, and its pretty cool that there are already a whole lot of boxes available for download
[11:42] <eax1> ok
[11:43] <lotuspsychje> trijntje: have you been able to fix that issue the other day?
[11:45] <pandark> salut
[11:45] * iptable salutes
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> !fr | pandark
[11:45] <pandark> oups sorry i forget to add -fr
[11:46] <pandark> !br | pandark
[11:46] <pandark> haha
[11:46] <pandark> fun
[11:46] <pandark> bye
[11:47] <arcsky> i did apt-get update && upgrade, i have still OpenSSL 1.0.1f which are vulnerable
[11:48] <trijntje> lotuspsychje: yes, the recompiled driver seems to work a lot better. I still get some disconnects but not more then under windows ;)
[11:48] <emilsp> arcsky, which version are you running ?
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> arcsky: wich ubuntu version
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> trijntje: wich driver did you use exactly, im curious
[11:49] <trijntje> lotuspsychje: I ended up following this website: https://www.sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/reserve-7
[11:50] <arcsky> 14.04
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> trijntje: interesting url tnx
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> !info openssl trusty
[11:51] <Monah> test
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> arcsky: this is default 14.04 version of openssl
[11:52] <marianne_> hello, does anyone know a way to get blu-rays to show the menu when using VLC to play them?
[11:52] <lotuspsychje> !blueray | marianne_
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> marianne_: maybe the #videolan guys might also know
[11:53] <norc> Hi, Ive asked a question earlier today, but got no response so Ill just repeat it:
[11:54] <norc> touch /tmp/foo; chmod +x /tmp/foo; export PATH=/tmp/:$PATH; su - citt -c "foo"
[11:54] <norc> Why does this result in a "Command not found" error? Executing "puts $PATH" shows that the path is set appropriately.
[11:54] <Fr3d3r1c> Hello
[11:56] <Fr3d3r1c> I would like mount (correct sentence ?) a permanent ssh connexion please. How must i do this ?
[11:56] <Fr3d3r1c> Sorry, i'm French
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> !ssh | Fr3d3r1c
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> !fr | Fr3d3r1c
[11:56] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, you mean you want to mount an scp/sftp location to local location?
[11:57] <SchrodingersScat> !info autossh
[11:57] <Fr3d3r1c> i want to mount a local disk to my server
[11:57] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, if truing to use ssh for that, you can use sshfs (which is a fuse filesystem)
[11:58] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, ssh doesn't do mounts otherwise per-se. sshfs my-remote-user@my-remote-host:/home/my-remote-user remotefs/
[11:58] <norc> Oh my the headache. "echo $PATH" expands $PATH before being passed to su. Nevermind, this makes sense now.
[11:58] <bcc> so I tried to update mailman from ubuntu, running 14.04 and got http://paste.ubuntu.com/10772196/ (update-rc.d: warning: default stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match mailman default-stop values (none))
[11:58] <Fr3d3r1c> i have already add the public key on my server
[11:59] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, you can share public key (ssh-keygen && ssh-copy-id) to the server and execute the command on the server on boot in one of the rc scripts to mount automatically without needing password
[11:59] <Kira9204> Fr3d3r1c: in that case add it to fstab and it will automaticalky mount on startup
[11:59] <iptable> Kira9204, does fstab accept fuse mounts?
[11:59] <Kira9204> or when you run mount /fir
[11:59] <Kira9204> iptable: yes
[12:00] <Kira9204> i have several SSHFS mounts tunneled thru SAMBA
[12:00] <iptable> Kira9204, oooh, didn't know :). In that case, that IS the easiest option. Fr3d3r1c check out fstab sshfs (google?), that's what you need
[12:01] <Fr3d3r1c> the problem is not mouting the server on boot but to maintain ssh connexion if i do not use it while a long time
[12:04] <Dominique> With Ubuntu 14.04 it seems impossible to get into grub when booting a VM in a virtual environment. Holding shift does not seem to reveal grub.. any tricks? It's within openstack.
[12:05] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, ssh connection, or sshfs filesystem mount? you want to access one filesystem via a mount from another server, right?
[12:05] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, in that case sshfs will retain the connection (or reconnect)
[12:05] <Fr3d3r1c> yes iptable
[12:05] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, or are you talking about just being ssh'd in to the server forever so you can execute commands on it?
[12:06] <lotuspsychje_> Dominique: are you using virtualbox?
[12:06] <Dominique> lotuspsychje_: No, OpenStack.
[12:06] <iptable> ugh
[12:06] <Fr3d3r1c> sshfs does not maintain the connexion
[12:06] <Fr3d3r1c> i have tried yesterday
[12:06] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, it will restart it though, no?
[12:07] <lotuspsychje_> Dominique: maybe the #openstack guys might know
[12:07] <iptable> Dominique, how are you connecting to the VM? vnc?
[12:07] <Dominique> lotuspsychje_: well I believe this is more a thing with Ubuntu rather than OpenStack
[12:07] <Fr3d3r1c> no iptable
[12:07] <Dominique> With CentOS I can get into grub just fine.
[12:07] <Dominique> iptable: noVNC
[12:08] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, well, you could try doing ls on it from a screen/tmux session in a loop - while (true); do ls /some/location; sleep 60; done
[12:08] <lotuspsychje_> Dominique: from virtualbox, this should be possible, so it must be an openstack thing
[12:08] <Kira9204> Fr3d3r1c: i use the following http://paste.ubuntu.com/10772313/
[12:08] <lotuspsychje_> Dominique: ask in #openstack plz
[12:08] <iptable> Fr3d3r1c, that will force query every 60 seconds. but most likely its an issue with network more than anything. tbh, you should use NFS or other for that purpose. sshfs/fuse mounts are a bad idea for production
[12:08] <iptable> Dominique, for a start you could change the grub config in client to just always show grub menu
[12:09] <Dominique> It boots so fast that the grub thing flies by
[12:09] <lotuspsychje_> iptable: good idea :p
[12:09] <Kira9204> Fr3d3r1c: it has been up for several weeks now without truble
[12:09] <iptable> Dominique, make it stay there for 10 seconds. it's a .cfg config file
[12:09] <Dominique> Sure, but that doesn't help right now if one of your colleagues managed to break his Ubuntu machine
[12:10] <iptable> Dominique, can't you mount the virtual drive somewhere to do the change? or use a more sane vnc solution to access so that you can send a sticky key to grub?
[12:10] <Fr3d3r1c> i'm looking for nfs
[12:10] <Dominique> Not really
[12:11] <emilsp> this is what happens when people don't use qemu
[12:11] <iptable> Dominique, ither mount the drive and change config then boot it, or use another vnc solution, or ask on #openstack, as suggested
[12:11] <Dominique> Already asked
[12:11] <iptable> qemu+kvm rules!
[12:11] <Dominique> funny because OpenStack uses that iptable
[12:11] <Dominique> ;)
[12:12] <iptable> Dominique, I know. + 5000 other things to complicte your life.
[12:12] <iptable> Dominique, use another VNC client then
[12:12] <Dominique> Surely there is a trick to connect to it via virtual machine manager
[12:12] <Dominique> I have not bothered to try yet
[12:12] <emilsp> wait, openstack uses qemu and you're using anything other than spice ?
[12:12] <iptable> Dominique, virt-manager connects to libvirt, if it's installed, you can connect to it
[12:12] <Dominique> emilsp: Not exactly my choice
[12:12] <emilsp> Dominique, I feel thy pain
[12:13] <Dominique> iptable: I realize that, however user authentication is where the problem would be
[12:13] <iptable> Dominique, then tell whoever decides that you cannot do it unless you use another connection solution
[12:14] <iptable> Dominique, we can't help you if you / someone in your organisation / chose to use a solution that does not work. have you tried pressing SHIFT quickly instead of holding it?
[12:14] <Dominique> It's not a decision made by anyone, it's simply an issue with the Ubuntu cloud image booting too fast.
[12:14] <lotuspsychje_> Dominique: what about F1 instead of shift, to enter boot options like nomodeset?
[12:15] <Dominique> lotuspsychje_: thanks I'll try that
[12:16] <iptable> first time soneone complains an OS boots too fast :P enable grub menu for 5 seconds for everyone to avoid future issues
[12:16] <lotuspsychje_> lol
[12:17] <Dominique> It worked much better in Ubuntu 12.04 tbh
[12:17] <Dominique> Seems rather painful to get into grub with 14.04
[12:17] <lotuspsychje_> makes no sense, 14.04 is rocksolid
[12:19] * iptable coughs
[12:19] <iptable> Dominique, no, it's just fine for users, if you are running user's desktops on openstack you should make correct provisions
[12:20] <Dominique> They're servers.
[12:20] <Dominique> Not desktops
[12:21] <iptable> Dominique, first thing I do on servers is enable grub for 10 seconds on boot
[12:22] <Dominique> Well yeah, should be in the Ubuntu cloud image by default tbh
[12:22] <Dominique> Or at least a few seconds
[12:23] <emilsp> isn't the whole idea behind teh klod that you can boot up instances effortleslly and almost instantly ?
[12:23] * lotuspsychje_ doesnt like the cloud
[12:25] <iptable> emilsp, yup
[12:25] <Dominique> Effortlessly unless someone decides to break his fstab, quite stupid of them tbh
[12:25] <Dominique> Should punish them by recreating the vm
[12:25] <iptable> Dominique, mount the drive on the host somewhere, make grub changes or chroot to it, fix issue, unmount, boot
[12:25] <iptable> Dominique, that's how I fix kvm/qemu issues when booting is not possible. mount, chroot
[12:25] <Dominique> iptable: Honestly that's not worth the trouble, if I cannot do it through what is already available
[12:26] <Dominique> It's a 5 second fix if you can get to grub
[12:26] <Dominique> just init=/bin/bash
[12:26] <Dominique> fix fstab
[12:26] <Dominique> sync
[12:26] <Dominique> reboot, done
[12:26] <iptable> Dominique, it's a 5 second fix once you mount the virtual partition too...
[12:26] <Dominique> Yes, but it's not as easy to mount partitions
[12:27] <boichev> If I have a custom apt repo with 2 versions of the same package but with different release number 5.3.29-3 and 5.3.29-2 ... on a machine I have the 5.3.29-2 installed, but the apt-get uprade does not tell me that I can upgrade this package.... What can be the problem ?
[12:27] <iptable> Dominique, ugh, fdisk -l /your/drive/image.img, then losetup with offset to access partition and mount the loop device. that's 3 commands
[12:28] <k1l> boichev: run a apt-get update
[12:28] <boichev> k1l tried that and no change...
[12:28] <iptable> Dominique, I would urge you to try and learn it. for the future, great experience
[12:28] <Dominique> iptable: really that's not the reason.. I know how to use Linux mate
[12:28] <Dominique> I'm a RHCE, I know my way around Linux
[12:28] <k1l> boichev: can you pastebin the "apt-cache policy packagename" form both amchines?
[12:28] <Dominique> I could even use guestfish to fix it for all I care
[12:29] <Dominique> But our storage is quite restricted and I'm not the one maintaining it, the guys who do are not in the office today ;)
[12:29] <iptable> Dominique, that's nice. I was MCSE once too :O Also TOGAF, RHCE and CCNA. You ask, we give you a way to fix it. move on.
[12:29] <iptable> Dominique, multiple ways: sppice, other vnc solution, mount disk and fix ...
[12:31] <boichev> k1l ahhh I saw it..... ;) -2 has 100 in /var/lib/dpkg/status and the -3 has only 10 because of the weight of the repo
[12:32] <boichev> k1l so installed package has a default weight of 100 and if I want to upgrade a package my apt-repo should be bigger than 100
[12:32] <boichev> righe ?
[12:32] <boichev> right?
[12:33] <Cullz_irssi> exit
[12:43] <k1l> boichev: is that a PPA? or a own repo? did you change the weights or used apt-pinning?
[12:43] <boichev> k1l own repo
[12:44] <k1l> usually apt will install everything that got a higher number as default
[12:44] <boichev> k1l I fixed it with pin 200
[12:44] <boichev> I had it to 10
[12:44] <boichev> not knowing about the default 100 for installed packages
[12:44] <boichev> :)
[12:47] <k1l> boichev: see http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man5/apt_preferences.5.html
[12:47] <cryptic0> I need to install HDF5 in order to satisfy dependency for another software. But I am seeing a long list of HDF5 packages for Ubuntu. Which one do I need?
[12:53] <Voyage> Hi, I am using kubuntu, my desktop screen flickers sometime and gets stuck/held/no mouse-keyboard accessable then. My internet connection gets stuck (stays connected but does not works. this is not a fault of ISP. other devices work). I tried deleting .kde but no use. Using kubuntu 14.10 LTS fresh install.
[12:54] <MonkeyDust> Voyage 1) 14.10 is not LTS
[12:55] <MonkeyDust> Voyage didi ubuntu work normally, before?
[12:55] <davevanloo> i would suggest you join #kubuntu for help specific to kubuntu 14.10 is also supported
[12:56] <iptable> Voyage, does it work on ubuntu/xubuntu/gubuntu, or broken too? question to identify issue. Also, when you ctrl+alt+f2, then ctrl+alt+f7 (or f8) to get to GUI, does it unstick?
[12:56] <who_me> hi. I'm seeing a candidate for Unity "Candidate: 7.2.4+14.04.20141217-0ubuntu1" but it's not offered as an upgrade. It also appears on this page: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=trusty-updates&keywords=unity So, what is going on?
[12:57] <who_me> I'm running Trusty
[12:57] <k1l> who_me: please show the output of "apt-cache policy unity" in a pastebin
[12:58] <who_me> k1l, http://pastebin.com/PzUCYZDB
[12:59] <k1l> who_me: and now a "sudo apt-get update &&sudo apt-get upgrade"
[12:59] <amine> hello
[12:59] <Voyage_> MonkeyDust, ipitydaf00 disconnected again
[12:59] <Voyage_> iptable, what will ctrl alt f* do?
[12:59] <Voyage_> MonkeyDust, how can I get my exact distro number?
[13:00] <iptable> Voyage_, moves you out of GUI to command terminal and back (f7 or f8 will be your GUI terminal)
[13:00] <hkrrsx> morning
[13:01] <who_me> k1l, yeah, now unity showed up in apt-get's summary... but why would the GUI updater not offer it?
[13:02] <Voyage_> iptable, MonkeyDust oh my God, its DISTRIB_RELEASE=14.04
[13:02] <iptable> Voyage_, so you have 10.04
[13:02] <iptable> 14.04
[13:02] <Voyage_> yes
[13:02] <iptable> LTs
[13:02] <Voyage_> yes
[13:02] <MonkeyDust> Voyage_ cat /etc/issue
[13:02] <iptable> Voyage_, is it up to date?
[13:02] <Voyage_> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS"
[13:02] <k1l> who_me: its not a security update. they get only offered like once a week (iirc) so they get bundled.
[13:02] <MonkeyDust> Voyage_ 14.04 is LTS, that's fine
[13:02] <Voyage_> yes. its apt-get updated and upgraded
[13:03] <Voyage_> Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS \n \l
[13:03] <who_me> k1l, I remember having it there for longer than that :/
[13:03] <Voyage_> I think I am having issues with drivers.
[13:03] <Voyage_> what do you people think?
[13:03] <iptable> Voyage_, apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:03] <Voyage_> iptable, yes. done that
[13:04] <iptable> Voyage_, tried 14.10 to see if it works? I found 14.04 is too old for my laptop. 14.10 works, 14.04 gets wifi and GPU issues
[13:04] <who_me> k1l, thanks for helping me out :)
[13:04] <PCatinean> Hey guys doing lspci -nn | grep 0280 revelead my broadcom wireless card but apparently I canno see any wireless networks, what could be causing this? I have ubuntu 14.04 and Dell Inspiron 1564
[13:04] <Voyage_> iptable, LTS is more stable . thats why I tried to stay way from non lts
[13:04] <PCatinean> Any help is greatly appreciated
[13:05] <Voyage_> iptable, my laptop is much older. its dell 620 core 2 duo
[13:05] <Rory> Voyage_: It's not that LTS is more stable necessarily. It's that those releases recieve updates for a longer period of time
[13:05] <iptable> Voyage_, not necessarily. I have had desktop stability issues with 14.04 as it's too old for my laptop
[13:05] <iptable> Voyage_, well that laptop should be supported by 14.04 no problems. ut try 14.10, it's got loads of WiFi improvements
[13:05] <Rory> Voyage_: So if you wanted to deploy a fleet of servers with the same OS, it makes sense to use a LTS so you don't have to do it again in 18 months
[13:06] <Voyage_> point taken
[13:06] <Rory> Voyage_: Our base image is Ubuntu 12.04 based, and we'll keep using it until the updates stop :)
[13:06] <Voyage_> going to enable non-LTS sources in the sources list. is that enough to get on ubuntu 14.10?
[13:06] <iptable> Voyage_, my servers are 12.04 and 14.04. My desktops 14.10, I will reinstall when it's out of support
[13:06] <iptable> is 15.04 out?
[13:07] <MonkeyDust> iptable 3 weeks from now
[13:07] <iptable> Voyage_, no, its not. get a liveCD/liveUSB of 14.10 and run on it, see how stable it is. no need to break current system to test
[13:07] <iptable> MonkeyDust, cheers
[13:07] <Voyage_> iptable, I have so much on my current system. I just want to upgrade to 14.10
[13:07] <Voyage_> going to enable non-LTS sources in the sources list. is that enough to get on ubuntu 14.10?
[13:08] <IceBot3000> Also you might consider Debian if stability is crucial - consider that Ubuntu is based on the testing version of Debian, says a lot
[13:09] <iptable> Voyage_, no, it's not. there is an upgrade procedure, which I can't remember
[13:09] <Voyage_> MonkeyDust, Rory are you there (or it seems I got disconnected again)
[13:09] <Rory> aye. I didn't see you disconnect.
[13:09] <iptable> Voyage_, I would still ask you to be sensible and get a liveCD/liveUSB of 14.10 and run on it, see how stable it is. no need to break current system to test
[13:09] <iptable> do not install, just use the liveCD/USB for a while to see if it breaks too
[13:10] <Voyage_> iptable, Rory MonkeyDust do you guys use mac?
[13:10] <Sovereignentity> what program creates the text file with nthe right click menu
[13:10] <Rory> No, sorry. Linux on a Thinkpad like literally every other developer I know
[13:11] <iptable> Voyage_, no, do you?
[13:11] <Rory> Sovereignentity: gedit
[13:11] <iptable> Voyage_, is that a MAC you are using?
[13:11] <Sovereignentity> thanks Rory
[13:11] <MonkeyDust> Voyage_ yes
[13:11] <Voyage_> iptable, I was just wondering. mac is more issue free. why do you guys prefer linux?
[13:11] <Voyage_> MonkeyDust, ^
[13:11] <Voyage_> for desktop use I mean
[13:12] <themusicgod1> what command in 14.04 runs the launcher?
[13:12] <pbx> Voyage_, i suspect this sort of debate is outside the charter of this channel
[13:12] <iptable> Voyage_, mac is not issues free
[13:12] <ObrienDave> Voyage_, because linux is FREE
[13:12] <themusicgod1> (if you're in gnome and it doesn't run automatically)
[13:12] <MonkeyDust> Voyage_ no, I use a frankenstein-laptop, with nuts and bolts and wires, hardly a "portable" anymore
[13:12] <Rory> themusicgod1: alt-F2
[13:12] <frankenstein> Give me back my laptop.
[13:13] <mcphail> Voyage_: That isn't an Ubuntu support question and should be asked elsewhere. For what it matters, I find OSX a real pain to use and it is far from "issue free". It has not aged well as an OS
[13:13] <iptable> Voyage_, I had to use a mac for 4 months. it was a nightmare. The controls are ugly, they have a nasty excuse for a British keyboard, you need to memorise key sequence to write the character # and on top of that multiple-deskto support is just broken
[13:13] <Rory> Voyage_: I've never used a mac. And I don't have "issues" with Linux. Why do you use a mac when Linux is more issue free?
[13:13] <iptable> Voyage_, now, back to linux
[13:14] <cryptic0> Can someone tell me what's going on here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10772851/
[13:15] <pbx> Voyage_, notice how even when people are trying to redirect you away from this topic they can't resist throwing in some extra commentary. which means you've successfully trolled the channel, intentionally or not
[13:15] <IceBot3000> iptable: Not sure why you had issues with a keyboard - I use a standard British keyboard with my Mac, works fine. You must have chosen the wrong setting
[13:16] <iptable> IceBot3000, uhm, no, the keys have pictures on them. They don't match then. let's not go there.
[13:16] <rishikl> Hi
[13:16] <Voyage_> iptable, ObrienDave you just use linux because its free? (mac is less in issues if not issueless) Rory pbx (amm. will take this discussion out of #ubuntu. I am a fan of linux but just discussin)
[13:16] <Rory> #ubuntu-offtopic Voyage_
[13:16] <halfburnttoast> shouldn't you all be going to ubuntu-offtopic or something?
[13:16] <BluesKaj> pbx, spamming the chat periodically isn't really trolling
[13:17] <help_lagger> ubuntu laggs on my computer
[13:17] <pbx> BluesKaj, but getting people's hackles up so that they can't help themselves from arguing offtopic is
[13:18] <halfburnttoast> just use whatever OS you want, lets just please avoid this whole win/mac/lin debate for the umpteenth billion time on the main support channel
[13:18] <help_lagger> athlon II x2 x64 dualcore 2.1 nvidia geforce/nforce 6150SE onboard 2gb ram
[13:18] <Voyage_> I have a genuine pain question. The office that linux use are not exactly compatible with docs of windows. is there a solution to that ( I know people have tried to make it compatible but still issues when I get files from windows users)
[13:18] <help_lagger> help me ubuntu laggs
[13:18] <rishikl> for unix db consultant , what topics must one know for mysql db development?
[13:18] <pbx> rishikl, join #mysql
[13:18] <BluesKaj> pbx, not going to argue the point :)
[13:19] <help_lagger> i just installed 14.04 i think the latest one LAT
[13:19] <help_lagger> and it laggs what do
[13:19] <rishikl> not able to talk on that channel
[13:20] <halfburnttoast> help_lagger, you need to give more information. What is lagging? When does it happen? is it only certain things? What does it look like when lagging? etc
[13:20] <davevanloo> help_lagger: we would need some more information then simply it lags.., what kind of lag are you having?
[13:20] <rishikl> even after registering Nick
[13:20] <help_lagger> halfburnttoast: davevanloo it laggs on login it laggs on typing it laggs on webpages loading and laggs especcialy when im searching something in that new unity search tool area
[13:20] <k1l> Voyage_: tell them users to use open standards and not closed source microsoft office fileformats. although libreoffice can open and handle most of those formats
[13:21] <Pici> rishikl: nick registration help in #freenode, and you aren't identified at all right now.
[13:21] <MonkeyDust> rishikl were you banned from that channel?
[13:21] <help_lagger> lagg on pretty much anything
[13:21] <Voyage_> k1l, but still issues when I get files from windows users
[13:21] <IceBot3000> Not very realistic to expect businesses to switch from MS Office, it's a defacto standard
[13:22] <davevanloo> help_lagger: are you running a live envirement or did you properly install ubuntu?
[13:22] <k1l> Voyage_: read what i said. or run ms office in wine.
[13:22] <help_lagger> davevanloo: installed with encryption it has allocated the whole disk no dual booting no vm
[13:22] <rishikl> not sure,someone else maybe using my Nick,I have tried registering with both my email id's,now non left to register
[13:23] <help_lagger> used the reccomended/express install option
[13:23] <k1l> IceBot3000: i am not expecting anything. i am just telling where the source of the issue is. its not to blame non ms office to not fully support the closed source file formats.
[13:24] <k1l> rishikl: ask in #freenode for help on how to use the freenode irc network and how to register and log into your account.
[13:24] <davevanloo> help_lagger: your still reffering to the lag as lag.. how does it lag.. as lag can come in many different forms.. and have many different causes..
[13:24] <help_lagger> davevanloo: graphical lagg
[13:24] <help_lagger> i think this is graphically intensive
[13:24] <help_lagger> how do i get the classic theme version of this
[13:25] <IceBot3000> If you have time, you could contribute to the LibreOffice project and improve compatibility
[13:25] <help_lagger> laggs when selecting text,laggs when typing, its like 500ms lagg on everything
[13:26] <davevanloo> help_lagger it could be related to your grapical drivers aswel.. standard x-server drivers often have a sort of laggy feel to them.. you could look into installing proprietary drivers
[13:26] <help_lagger> i already switched to the propriatery ones
[13:26] <help_lagger> xorg didnt even want to load the DE it crash each time
[13:27] * iptable goes to shop
[13:27] <davevanloo> help_lagger: what grapics card does your system have? i had simular problems with mine becouse my 900 series card is quite new
[13:28] <help_lagger> davevanloo: i wish it was 900 series. its 6150SE nvidia
[13:28] <help_lagger> it runs windows xp fine tho, really fine
[13:29] <davevanloo> help_lagger i found the following article about gnome theme.. the gnome tweak tool might help you get better desktop performance: http://askubuntu.com/questions/141277/how-can-i-change-gnome-shell-theme
[13:30] <help_lagger> davevanloo: but isnt this unity and not gnome
[13:30] <ObrienDave> help_lagger, you can also try a 'lighter' DE
[13:30] <davevanloo> help_lagger & ObrienDave I would tend to agree
[13:31] <ObrienDave> i use xfce
[13:31] <ObrienDave> no lag here
[13:31] <help_lagger> i want to use i3 but im noob and using i3 on this bloated distro would be an abomination
[13:31] <IceBot3000> i3 CPUs are perfectly supported
[13:32] <ObrienDave> i3 DE ;P
[13:32] <help_lagger> any tutorials on how to get a new DE i3 window manager
[13:32] <davevanloo> and should perform well enough aswel
[13:32] <davevanloo> although i have always had i5 + myself, currently i7 4970k :)
[13:32] <ObrienDave> IceBot3000, i3 Desktop Environment ;P
[13:32] <davevanloo> ops! ObrienDave
[13:33] * davevanloo quickly hides in a corner
[13:33] <thegrreat> can someone explain why my lowercAse A wont show up in TerminAl
[13:33] <batman22> hi
[13:33] <thegrreat> When writing LowercAse A it Becomes A spAce
[13:34] <thegrreat> The lowercAse A Does not show up in terminAl help me pleAse XD
[13:34] <thegrreat> a
[13:36] <k1l> help_lagger: if you know about i3, then you are able to install a minimal install and setup a i3 from there, right?
[13:36] <help_lagger> ill try but i always fail at everything linux
[13:37] <Haris> hello all
[13:37] <ObrienDave> so, rather than doing a little research, you want us to show you how to do it
[13:38] <Haris> is there a mirror where I can find old releases or their files in extracted (from the ISO) state
[13:38] <Haris> archive.ubuntu.com doesn't go as far back as I need
[13:38] <ObrienDave> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[13:40] <Haris> got it. thanks
[13:40] <hkrrsx> help_lagger: See this YouTube video on how to install i3-wm from the Software Center
[13:40] <hkrrsx> https://youtu.be/dhR5_mmXgSs?t=2m21s
[13:42] <chotaz`w> my laptop doesnt detect any proprietary gpu drivers, is this usual?
[13:43] <Voyage_> k1l, can I run ms office in wine?
[13:43] <xangua> or just use libreoffice
[13:43] <k1l> chotaz`w: what video card do you got?
[13:43] <Haris> hello all
[13:44] <Haris> does precise have git-daemon-sysvinit in contrast to git-daemon-run ?
[13:44] <Haris> need to get rid of -run
[13:44] <Haris> how far back is precise ?
[13:44] <ObrienDave> !precise
[13:45] <ObrienDave> 3 years
[13:45] <Haris> is precise EOL/EOS ?
[13:45] <cfhowlett> Haris, no, it's LTS
[13:45] <nearzt> a
[13:45] <ObrienDave> Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is a currently-supported !LTS
[13:45] <ObrienDave> read?
[13:45] <Haris> great
[13:45] <Haris> does precise have git-daemon-sysvinit in contrast to git-daemon-run ?
[13:46] <Haris> something that's supported, at last :D
[13:46] <Haris> ...that's still+ support...
[13:48] <Haris> guys ?
[13:49] <Haris> what comes after 12.04.4 ?
[13:49] <Haris> 13.04 ?
[13:49] <cfhowlett> Haris, 12.04.5
[13:49] <Haris> I mean the release version
[13:49] <PCatinean> haha
[13:49] * PCatinean likes the troll
[13:49] <deepak> hi!
[13:49] <cfhowlett> Haris, 12.10 now EOL
[13:50] <ObrienDave> lordy
[13:50] <rsv> i want to install java6 to a particular directory using apt-get
[13:50] <rsv> is this possible?
[13:50] <Haris> ok, precise, quantal and then raring ?
[13:51] <lolcat> Hello
[13:51] <lolcat> Does zfs work in 15.04? Does graphic drivers?
[13:51] <nearzt> hi lolcat
[13:51] <iptable> Haris, it's Year.Month
[13:51] <cryptic0> c++ error libhdf5_cpp.a libhdf5_hl_cpp.a : no such file or directory. What does this mean?
[13:51] <iptable> Haris, 12.04 is 2014 April
[13:51] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu+1 | lolcat,
[13:51] <k1l> lolcat: #ubuntu+1 for 15.04
[13:51] <Haris> what can I upgrade 12.04.4 to ?
[13:51] <hellknight> Hello. Which program or package should I use on Ubuntu to learn Java? And, is gedit a good program editor or should I use something else?
[13:51] <iptable> Haris, that's LTS, then we had short support 12.10, 13.04, 13.10. LTS again 14.04 and now we have short term support 14.10.
[13:51] <Haris> raring and then going up 1 release at a time ?
[13:51] <cfhowlett> Haris, 14.04, 14.10
[13:51] <k1l> Haris: you can use the LTS upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04
[13:52] <Haris> cool
[13:52] <Haris> what sources can I use for it
[13:52] <iptable> Haris, upgrade 12.04 to 14.04 to keep being on LTS (long term support).
[13:52] <iptable> Haris, http://ubuntuserverguide.com/2014/06/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-server-12-04-to-ubuntu-server-14-04-lts.html
[13:52] <k1l> Haris: dont edit the sources. use the update-manager
[13:52] <Haris> hmm
[13:53] <iptable> Haris, follow the guide in the link if you want to have a working system
[13:53] <Haris> not fimiliar with it yet
[13:53] <Haris> ok
[13:53] <k1l> Haris: no dont use that
[13:53] <cfhowlett> Haris, assuming you've localized your sources, just do-release-upgrade will get you to 14.04.1
[13:53] <Haris> !update-manager
[13:53] <k1l> iptable: that is a very bad howto, dont suggest that
[13:53] <k1l> Haris: are you running a server or a desktop?
[13:53] <ObrienDave> Haris, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu-release-cycle-2.png
[13:53] <iptable> k1l, worked for me
[13:54] <k1l> iptable: to blindly advice -d switch is a nogo
[13:54] <iptable> k1l, then please share a better howto link. just helping here
[13:55] <rsv> hi, can i make apt-get install to a particular directory
[13:55] <MrElendig> rsv: trying to make a chroot?
[13:55] <rsv> no i want to install 2 different java versions
[13:55] <k1l> iptable: if the release-prompt is set to LTS a do-release-upgrade is fine. the -d will just cause issues if its not setup correct
[13:55] <rsv> i want one to be in /opt
[13:56] <iptable> rsv, you don't. you can debootstrap a chroot environment and install inside.
[13:56] <Haris> does do-release-upgrade prompt for upgrading before upgrading ?
[13:56] <Haris> after checking packages, dependencies, etc etc
[13:56] <hkrrsx> k1l: iptable: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[13:56] <rsv> iptable: how can i do that?
[13:56] <iptable> Haris man do-release-upgrade
[13:56] <k1l> Haris: are you running a server or a desktop?
[13:56] <iptable> rsv, install debootstrap, man debootstrap
[13:57] <iptable> rsv, or http://glonek.co.uk/tips-tricks/ubuntu-debootstrap-and-chroot/
[13:57] <vacca_p> coucou
[13:57] <Haris> -s seems ok
[13:57] * iptable goes for a break
[13:57] <vacca_p> Hello
[13:59] <researcher123> is there a software which can be used for on-line teaching?
[14:00] <researcher123> !live communication
[14:00] <cfhowlett> researcher123, many. narrow the focus of your question?
[14:00] <MrElendig> rsv: make a .deb that installs oracle java to /opt
[14:00] <MrElendig> rsv: or better, stop using java :p
[14:01] <researcher123> cfhowlett: I want to teach my students by sharing my screen n audio. Can it be done with a ready software in Ubuntu?
[14:01] <cfhowlett> researcher123, I've found the online platforms to be more reliable and user friendly, e.g. adobe collaborate
[14:02] <nearzt> researcher123, how bout teamviewer presentation ?
[14:02] <cfhowlett> Adobe
[14:02] <cfhowlett> Connect
[14:02] <nearzt> cfhowlett, and hi. long time not see u ( im offline a lot lately )
[14:02] <cfhowlett> nearzt, greetings!
[14:02] <researcher123> nearzt: cfhowlett: I want to share screen n audio with many students at a time
[14:03] <ubuntu_> ubuntu
[14:03] <cfhowlett> researcher123, wait 1, I read a recent article on this very topic
[14:03] <Voyage_> k1l, can I run ms office in wine?
[14:03] <researcher123> cfhowlett: waiting
[14:03] <cfhowlett> !wine \ Voyage_, up to 2010 perhaps.
[14:03] <Voyage_> k
[14:04] <k1l> Voyage_: yes, some work in wine.
[14:05] <k1l> !wine | Voyage_
[14:10] <otwieracz> Hey.
[14:10] <otwieracz> What can I do if ruby-rdoc has dependency ruby1.9.1 and both those packages provide file /usr/bin/rdoc causing file conflict?
[14:10] <otwieracz> (another package requires ruby-rfov)
[14:10] <otwieracz> (another package requires ruby-rdoc))
[14:11] <MrElendig> rvm all the things
[14:11] <neurosis-> is xubuntu a official flavour of Ubuntu
[14:12] <xangua> yes neurosis-
[14:12] <otwieracz> MrElendig: Yes, great. But foreman-installer required ruby-kofa which requires ruby-rdoc.
[14:12] <cfhowlett> neurosis-, most definitely
[14:12] <neurosis-> cool thanks xangua
[14:12] <neurosis-> and cfhowlett
[14:14] <cfhowlett> researcher123, adobeconnect OS agnostic, browser based solution. does everything you requested. I can't seem to find the linux (?) alternative.
[14:14] <cfhowlett> https://iatefl.adobeconnect.com/_a875541554/p8r64oslafv/?launcher=false&fcsContent=true&pbMode=normal for example
[14:14] <researcher123> cfhowlett: thanks.let me try n then report here
[14:14] <Voyage_> is kubuntu 15.04 launched?
[14:14] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, nope.
[14:14] <k1l> !vivid | Voyage_
[14:15] <neurosis-> in your opinion which is the best to download 14.10 or 14.04
[14:15] <k1l> neurosis-: do you want to upgrade every 6 months?
[14:15] <cfhowlett> neurosis-, 14.04 is Long Term Support. 14.10 is 9 months support.
[14:16] <Voyage_> cfhowlett, why make 2 flavours? why not just give longterm support?
[14:16] <neurosis-> k1l no
[14:16] <k1l> neurosis-: then go for 14.04
[14:16] <Voyage_> cfhowlett, why make 2 flavours? why not just give longterm support? k1l
[14:16] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, some folks want bleeding edge
[14:16] <xangua> Voyage_: ubuntu is released every 6 months
[14:16] <neurosis-> cool thanks
[14:17] <k1l> neurosis-: that is LTS and is supported for 5 years. if you go for 14.10 you need to upgrade to 15.04 after 9 months at least and so on until 16.04 is reached
[14:17] <neurosis-> does 14.10 have newer packages is more bleeding edge
[14:17] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, some folks want stability and long term support. FLOSS = choice
[14:17] <Pici> Voyage_: keeping things maintaiend for long term support takes manpower, and thats not really unlimited. Thus they get released every 2 years.
[14:17] <Voyage_> cfhowlett, can you elaborate
[14:17] <Voyage_> xangua, so why not make it release LTS every 6 months
[14:17] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, see pici's statement
[14:17] <xangua> ...
[14:18] <Voyage_> oh
[14:18] <IceBot3000> Bleeding edge is needed because Linux is silly, and thousands of bits of software is distributed as part of the OS which takes massive maintenance. Rather than it being agnostic to each distribution
[14:18] <Voyage_> Pici, so ltc only gets in market after every 2 years
[14:18] <Voyage_> Pici, so its just about longter support. thats it?
[14:18] <Pici> Voyage_: Right. Plus thats more time and less pressure for corporations to plan their upgrades around... and yes.
[14:18] <Voyage_> Pici, in terms of stability, is LTS and normal the same?
[14:19] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, an LTS release is a fairly major undertaking balancing upgrades/updates against stability and maintenance. Not really something that can be done every 6 months. you know who DOESN'T want to upgrade every 6 months? corporations, and sysadmins.
[14:19] <Pici> Voyage_: normal tends to be slightly less stable.
[14:20] <Voyage_> cfhowlett, yes. but both are equally stable?
[14:20] <Voyage_> Pici, hmm slightly?
[14:20] <researcher123> how to enable java script in firefox
[14:20] <neurosis-> thank you for the info fellas
[14:20] <k1l> if you think about stableness you should only consider LTS anyway
[14:20] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, it really is user choice. if you're comfortable riding the bleeding/bloody edge, go for it. Me? LTS only. I upgrade every 2 years and I'm quite happy with the outcome.
[14:21] <Voyage_> cfhowlett, I had issues with screen and network. so I had to upgrade from lts to normal
[14:21] <Pici> Voyage_: For example, the transition to systemd is happening now, in the non-lts releases. By the time that we get to the LTS release, the transition should be complete... but in the meantime, things are in a state of flux.
[14:21] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, understood. there are reasons for non-LTS.
[14:22] <Voyage_> cfhowlett, hm ok. debian only launches one type. LTS/stable?
[14:22] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, I'm not sure debian would co-sign that description. you'd have to ask #debian for details.
[14:23] <Voyage_> k
[14:23] <f00dWorksta> hi I have a question about /var/log/syslog.... It grew to 22G within a span of 5min, I have emptied it and it seems fine now, but am wondering why
[14:23] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, I might add, lts vs. interim releases vs. "rolling releases" has all the earmarks of a religious debate in the world of *nix. And I'm an atheist, so I don't indulge.
[14:24] <ciurkut> hiho i have a problem with booting mint/ubuntu from live usb
[14:24] <cfhowlett> ciurkut, sorry, but mint is not supported here.
[14:24] <ciurkut> (shiet wrong enter) xd
[14:24] <Blueking> got access gateway replaced. today. Got home today after work it seems ip address on linux box connected to access gateway wasn't updated, and needed to do service networking restart to force pc/ubuntu to update eth0 (interface connected to access gateway) not sure if it's hardware(mobo) or ubuntu that doesn't update itself auto ?
[14:24] <f00dWorksta> both syslog and kernel.log grew to 22G
[14:24] <ciurkut> what is the channel for mint?
[14:24] <cfhowlett> !mint | ciurkut
[14:25] <Voyage_> cfhowlett, hm
[14:26] <f00dWorksta> This is the error I get over and over again: NetworkManager[913]: <warn> error requesting auth for org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.settings.modify.system: (3) GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NameHasNoOwner: Could not get UID of name ':1.33': no such name
[14:27] <f00dWorksta> this is another repeating offender: wpa_supplicant[1293]: nl80211: send_and_recv->nl_recvmsgs failed: -33
[14:27] <cfhowlett> f00dWorksta, maybe ask #networking
[14:28] <f00dWorksta> cfhowlett: ok thanks, I'll try there
[14:30] <lolcat> Hello
[14:30] <lolcat> I updated my kernel, now my mouse doesn't work
[14:31] <ObrienDave> to what version?
[14:31] <lolcat> no idea
[14:31] <k1l> what gives "uname -a"
[14:31] <lolcat> I guess I will just upgrade to 14.10 and hope for the best
[14:32] <lolcat> 3.13.0-48
[14:33] <f00dWorksta> oo I found a bigger block of error: mmc0: Got command interrupt 0x00080000 even though no command operation was in progress.
[14:33] <lolcat> k1l: Is it likely that updating more will make it better?
[14:33] <k1l> lolcat: dont know what the source of that issue is. did you try a reboot?
[14:33] <f00dWorksta> that repeats about once every 0.000005 seconds
[14:34] <lolcat> k1l: I did not
[14:35] <ObrienDave> always reboot after a kernel change
[14:36] <lolcat> ObrienDave: I think I did right after, then the trackpad didnt work
[14:37] <ObrienDave> you said mouse earlier, which is it?
[14:40] <kulelu88> Hello, is there a channel for gpg/gnupg??
[14:45] <f00dWorksta> This error was repeated 153million times: mmc0: Got command interrupt 0x00080000 even though no command operation was in progress.
[14:45] <pbx> kulelu88, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gpg+irc+freenode
[14:46] <medamaybe> How would I go about updating software to a version higher than available in the software center?
[14:47] <xangua> !latest | medamaybe
[14:47] <ObrienDave> medamaybe, find the PPA for the package
[14:47] <ObrienDave> !ppa
[14:47] <f00dWorksta> error ran over a span of 1hr
[14:48] <cfhowlett> pbx, much as I am also tempted, please don't use lmgtfy.
[14:48] <k1l> pbx: we dont use lmgtfy in here. although we have alis for channel search on freenode
[14:48] <k1l> !alis | kulelu88
[14:48] <pbx> cfhowlett, fair enough. i did feel a bit like a cad
[14:49] <pbx> k1l, ^^
[14:49] <kulelu88> I found the channel, thank you folks
[14:49] <medamaybe> Thanks. How about when there is a newer version available that is not in a ppa? Do I uninstall from the software center and download/compile it manually?
[14:49] <cfhowlett> medamaybe, if it's in software center, no need to compile, just install. what pacakage specifically?
[14:50] <jzp113> hi
[14:51] <medamaybe> None specifically at the moment. Just trying to figure out how things work. I was doing to some research to get cmake working, and noticed that there is a newer version of curl available than I can find in the software center.
[14:51] <jzp113> hi guys some know which channel talk about ifid?
[14:51] <jzp113> hi guys some know which channel talk about rfid?
[14:51] <cfhowlett> medamaybe, compiling from source is an option *IF* you must and there are no other options.
[14:51] <Fuchs> jzp113: once is sufficient :p
[14:51] <Fuchs> jzp113: you can search for channels with alis, see /msg alis help list. /msg alis list *searchterm* looks for channel names containing searchterm. /msg alis list * -topic *searchterm* looks for channel topics containing searchterm.
[14:51] <Giwrgaras> anyone with win 7 on a virtualbox?
[14:52] <Giwrgaras> i have trouble running microsoft office do you have any idea why that might be?
[14:52] <medamaybe> cfhowlett: what are the downsides of it? I'm assuming one of them is that it won't auto-update anymore.
[14:52] <cfhowlett> Giwrgaras, in future, don't ask "anyone" questions. regarding the office question, not all versions work.
[14:53] <k1l> Giwrgaras: for issues with ms office inside windows7 better ask the windows support
[14:53] <Giwrgaras> ok cfhowlett
[14:53] <ObrienDave> !anyone
[14:53] <cfhowlett> medamaybe, installing from source means no upgrade options offered. I think the rule is compile >> compile again to upgrade
[14:53] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, nope. they killed that factoid. for some reason.
[14:53] <ObrienDave> yea, i saw that. sheesh
[14:54] <Giwrgaras> cfhowlett: is a bot?
[14:54] <ObrienDave> all the good ones
[14:54] <ObrienDave> Giwrgaras, ubottu is a bot
[14:54] <cfhowlett> Giwrgaras, no. factoid. available on command if one knows where to look.
[14:54] <medamaybe> Thank you.
[14:58] <neurosis-> what is the best size for swap
[14:58] <k1l> the size of ram
[14:58] <Fuchs> neurosis-: depends, on a mobile system (notebook) or another system where you want suspend to disk: 1.2 to 1.5 times the RAM size
[14:58] <cfhowlett> neurosis-, 1.5 - 2 x RAM seems to the be unwritten rule.
[14:58] <Fuchs> neurosis-: on other systems: about the size of the RAM, unless that is HUEG, then smaller amounts (4-8 GB) are sufficient
[14:58] <neurosis-> so if I have eight gigs of RAM I would want 18 gigs of swap
[14:59] <Fuchs> neurosis-: 18 gig of swap is madness
[14:59] <neurosis-> eight not 18 sorry
[14:59] <ioria> wow
[14:59] <Fuchs> having a bit more swap than memory helps for a suspend to disk
[14:59] <neurosis-> sorry I'm doing speech to text not working out so well lol
[14:59] <Fuchs> but aside from that, swap is so terribly slow that you don't want it, unless for emergencies
[14:59] <Fuchs> and there it just needs to be sufficiently big so you notice that your machine is swapping before OoM killer kicks in
[14:59] <mcphail> neurosis-: swap is barely necessary these days for most workloads, unless you want to hibernate the machine (rather than suspend or power off)
[15:00] <r00t3r> ls
[15:00] <r00t3r> :D
[15:00] <neurosis-> I would like to hibernate it
[15:00] <mcphail> neurosis-: then have at least as much as RAM. Prob 1.5 - 2x
[15:01] <ObrienDave> 10GB will be enough swap
[15:01] <ObrienDave> in your case
[15:01] <neurosis-> mcphail if I have eight gigs of RAM do I do eight gigs of swap
[15:01] <neurosis-> ObrienDave ok
[15:01] <mcphail> neurosis-: as a minimum. As ObrienDave says, 10G is reasonable
[15:01] <neurosis-> cool thank you all
[15:02] <ObrienDave> for hibernate, yes you need 1x - 1.2x RAM for swap
[15:02] <neurosis-> thank you
[15:03] <mcphail> neurosis-: remember, suspend to RAM is much quicker than hibernate to disk and a full boot is fairly quick as well. Hibernation doesn't offer many advantages and can be buggy at times
[15:04] <ObrienDave> but suspend does NOT turn off the machine. hibernate does
[15:04] <mcphail> neurosis-: a couple of years ago there was talk of hibernation support being deprecated and removed. I don't know if that is still the case
[15:05] <kostkon> mcphail: it is disabled by default in Ubuntu
[15:05] <neurosis-> I thought hibernate and suspend was the same thing I guess all I wanted to do is suspend
[15:05] <mcphail> kostkon: aah. Interesting
[15:06] <mcphail> neurosis-: you need hibernation if you need to avoid any power consumption
[15:06] <mcphail> neurosis-: if you only need suspend, there is no need for 10G od swap
[15:07] <neurosis-> ok
[15:07] <neurosis-> to be on the safe side I just do 10gs for the swap
[15:08] <neurosis-> I'm off to install thank you all
[15:11] * mcphail prefers no swap at all on an 8G RAM machine
[15:17] * iptable puts 4GB of swap on all machines 8GB RAM+. Disk space is cheap, I can afford 4GB and it means I can turn off a rogue RAM-eating process without actually having the machine die.
[15:17] <iptable> Plus it makes sense to move out stuff you don't use often from RAM to swap if you intend to run RAM-intensive apps
[15:34] <Voyage_> what is the licens of ubuntu and all linux apps? gpl?
[15:35] <mcphail> Voyage_: lots of different licences. Quite a lot is gpl
[15:36] <Voyage_> mcphail, isnt there ONE license for ubuntu OS?
[15:36] <mcphail> Voyage_: no, of course not. ubuntu is made of thousands of packages
[15:37] <iptable> Voyage_, 100s of 1000s of people wrote software. then a company packaged different software to work together and made ubuntu
[15:37] <iptable> Voyage_, all those small packages carry their own licensing
[15:39] <geirha> No one seems to be able to agree on what "free" and "open" should mean :)
[15:39] <Voyage_> iptable, how come ubuntu sell it / distribute it?
[15:39] <iptable> Voyage_, no one sells it
[15:39] <Voyage_> iptable, how come ubuntu sell it / distribute it? if there are so many licences. anyone of the apps might restrict ubuntu?
[15:39] <cfhowlett> iptable, strictly speaking, false. there have been sales of ubuntu.
[15:39] <iptable> Voyage_, the packages that are used in ubuntu allow the company to package them and give themout like this
[15:39] <Voyage_> iptable, oh. so ubuntu only gives support?
[15:40] <Voyage_> iptable, ok
[15:40] <iptable> Voyage_, if a package restricts it, it doesn't come with ubuntu. we choose alternative
[15:40] <Voyage_> can anyone just copy debian or ubuntu os, make some customizations on top of it, sell it with its own license?
[15:40] <iptable> cfhowlett, well, removing corner cases
[15:40] <Francoo> \msg NickServ
[15:40] <iptable> Voyage_, sell no
[15:40] <iptable> Voyage_, distribute it - yes
[15:40] <iptable> Voyage_, you can sell support for it.
[15:41] <iptable> Voyage_, if you want to repackage something and sell it, check FreeBSD with BSD license. much more leaning
[15:41] <iptable> Voyage_, you can distribute repackaged ubuntu and have your own repositories for it and charge people to have access to the repos (like RedHat does)
[15:41] * iptable goes shops
[15:41] <geirha> also gpl
[15:42] <Voyage_> iptable, MIT and apache licensed apps can be suplicensed too like BSD?
[15:42] <Voyage_> iptable, i see
[15:42] <iptable> Voyage_, I don't know. Read them, they state what you can and cannot do in them
[15:43] <Voyage_> iptable, is there a linux distro with BSD license?
[15:43] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, freeBSD
[15:43] <Voyage_> ah
[15:43] <Voyage_> cfhowlett, fantastic example
[15:44] <ObrienDave> wow
[15:44] <Voyage_> cfhowlett, thats what mac did. built mac on top of freebsd and sell it
[15:44] <Voyage_> cfhowlett, iptable no?
[15:44] <Fuchs> I guess that'd be rather hard to achieve, given a lot of Linux thingies being (L)GPLed, which doesn't mix terribly well with BSD licenses.
[15:44] <Voyage_> cfhowlett, iptable s/no/right??
[15:44] <mcphail> Nothing stops you selling GPL software.
[15:44] <cfhowlett> Voyage_, as i understand it, that's approximately correct but you might ask #OSX
[15:44] <Voyage_> mcphail, ho///? you cant sell GPL. can you? GPL is opensource
[15:45] <iptable> Voyage_, freeBSD is not linux. it's a BSD. comes from same roots, more or less, as linux, but it's not linux. no linux kernel
[15:45] <Voyage_> iptable, yes. I know
[15:45] <mcphail> Voyage_: read the GPL. Your comment is misinformed
[15:46] <MonkeyDust> guys, take this bsd/gpl discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[15:46] <Voyage_> mcphail, http://choosealicense.com/licenses/
[15:46] <iptable> Voyage_, Apple did in fact put their own GUI and packaging system on BSD and call it their own (not like them, they invented it!), so it's BSD-based distro.
[15:46] <geirha> GPL requires that you provide the source code. It does not restrict you in taking money for it
[15:46] <Voyage_> mcphail, gpl can not be sublicensed. you have to disclose source code too.
[15:46] <ObrienDave> !ot
[15:46] <iptable> Voyage_, but google for "Open SOurce LIcenses", you will get to open group website which lists them. read them to find out what they let you do with them
[15:46] <iptable> aight
[15:46] <Voyage_> iptable, hm
[15:48] <ONeZetty> hi!
[15:48] <Voyage_> geirha, I agree with you. mcphail , if you give your source code with same license as GPL, even you sell it, there is no point in selling it as anyone else can sell what you made too. and you cannot stop it. correct? 2. to my understanding, there is a way to sell it without giving code. sell it as SAAS on network but if its AGPL , you have to disclose source again for the A.
[15:49] <mcphail> Voyage_: as mentioned, this is offtopic for this channel
[15:49] <MonkeyDust> Voyage_ take this bsd/gpl discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic, please
[15:49] <Voyage_> mcphail, lets talk in ubuntu-oftopic if you have information
[15:49] <iptable> Voyage_, I PMd you
[15:49] <Voyage_> geirha, ^
[15:51] <alumno1> gjuy
[15:54] <root____5> #crude
[16:07] <MSLinux> Hello Everyone!! :)
[16:08] <MonkeyDust> what's the correct syntax to specify a display, again? I forgot
[16:10] <MSLinux> ok guys I'm goin to install ubuntu 14.4.02 lts on my laptop and i wanted to know if switcable graphics is supported or not coz last time when i installed ubuntu i couldnt get my graphics to work
[16:10] <MSLinux> im a newbie with ubuntu and wanna learn linux so opted for ubuntu..
[16:10] <emilsp> MSLinux, what's the model of your discrete gpu ?
[16:11] <MSLinux> intel 3000 and mad 6770m
[16:11] <MSLinux> amd^
[16:11] <emilsp> myah, I've no experience with AMD, but nvidia sort of works, and since you'd be using free drivers for amd anyway, I guess it should work/work better than before
[16:12] <yossarianuk> hi - is it possible to have multiple VPN connection in KDE using network-manager ?
[16:12] <yossarianuk> it seems to drop existing connection when I connect to the 2nd one....
[16:12] <yossarianuk> I can connect to multiple vpn connections using the cli just not network-manager
[16:12] <MSLinux> ok thank you emilsp
[16:12] <davevanloo> Hej all, does any one know were KDE/Plasmaś themes are stored so i can manually ad some to it?
[16:13] <MSLinux> should I install 14.4 lts or 14.10?
[16:13] <MSLinux> what is the difference?
[16:13] <chotaz`w> does Nautilus have a metapackage? I'm on ubuntuMATE and want to switch caja for nautilus for some integration with my dev tools, simply installing nautilus and switch the fm would do the trick? or am I missing something?
[16:13] <compdoc> I use 14.04 LTS
[16:13] <chotaz`w> !lts > MSLinux
[16:14] <compdoc> 14.10 will stop being supported soon
[16:14] <mcphail> MSLinux: 14.10 will be out of support very soon. I would advise you install the LTS or wait a few weeks for 15.04
[16:14] <ioria> MonkeyDust, you mean export / import/set DISPLAY=0.0
[16:14] <Voyage> skype : Depends: skype-bin
[16:14] <Voyage> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:14] <chotaz`w> you either stick to a LTS version or keep upgrading to get proper and updated support :)
[16:15] <MSLinux> will i need to install drivers on ubuntu like how i do on windows?
[16:15] <Guest61417> ciao
[16:15] <chotaz`w> that raises me a question, do new features/improvements from non-LTS versions get added to the current LTS version?
[16:15] <MSLinux> sorry i m askin too many questions i m jus gonaa strt off with ubuntu in sometime so just prepping up
[16:16] <mcphail> MSLinux: not necessarily. On some of my machines the free (bundled) drivers are better than the proprietary ones
[16:16] <Voyage> chotaz`w, I had skype on ltc, now on 14.10 getting this issue
[16:16] <chotaz`w> Voyage, I'm running UbuntuMATE 15.04 at home and skype runs flawlessly. Wouldn't really be of much help
[16:17] <MSLinux> last question do i need to install firewall and antivirus like in windows?
[16:17] <Voyage> chotaz`w, that is 15.x beta
[16:18] <mcphail> MSLinux: no, not usually
[16:18] <MSLinux> Thank you mcphail
[16:18] <emilsp> MSLinux, you only install additional drivers if something doesn't work
[16:18] <mcphail> MSLinux: enjoy
[16:18] <MSLinux> mcphail can I pm you?
[16:18] <mcphail> MSLinux: no - I only chat in channel
[16:18] <mcphail> MSLinux: sorry
[16:19] <MSLinux> ok no problem..
[16:19] <MSLinux> who can pm ere coz i have soo many questions about ubuntu before installing it
[16:20] <mcphail> MSLinux: this is the Ubuntu support channel. Why not ask here and anyone who knows can answer?
[16:20] <bazhang> !manual | MSLinux start here
[16:20] <mcphail> MSLinux: and, if it isn't a support question, there's #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:20] <bazhang> !rute | MSLinux and here
[16:20] <MSLinux> coz i'm a pro windows user and i wanna switch to linux to learn linux like after installing windows there are things i need to setup iinorder for os to function correctly in ubuntu is there anythin i need to do or it works perfectly jus outta the box?
[16:21] <chotaz`w> Voyage, yes.
[16:21] <bazhang> please check the manual and the links I just gave you MSLinux
[16:21] <mcphail> MSLinux: it might work perfectly for you. You won't know until you try :)
[16:21] <MSLinux> awesome thank you soo much for all this info
[16:21] <ioria> MSLinux, ubutu user manual, i recomend
[16:21] <MSLinux> really appreciate it
[16:21] <chotaz`w> MSLinux, Coursera.org has a great linux introduction course, check it out :) also ubuntu is a great place to start but you probably wont stop here :P
[16:22] <Voyage> anyone else knows how to run skype on 14.10?
[16:22] <Voyage> skype : Depends: skype-bin
[16:22] <Voyage> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:22] <emilsp> MSLinux, you can't really forsee any problems if you don't have any prior linux experience on a particular set of hardware
[16:23] <MSLinux> !manual
[16:23] <mcphail> MSLinux: Ubuntu is very different to Windows so you might find a few problems or differences at first. Try to stick with it (and ask for help on here). In a while you'll get to understand things and will be anle to make a decision if it is right for you
[16:23] <Voyage> chotaz`w, whats the name of 15.x?
[16:23] <bazhang> http://ubuntu-manual.org/ <--- MSLinux
[16:23] <bazhang> !vivid | Voyage
[16:24] <chotaz`w> LTS vs non-LTS Questions: Do new features and improvements from non-LTS versions get added to the current LTS version, or do you pay the price for the long term support?
[16:24] <Voyage> thanks
[16:24] <Voyage> no one with a skype solution?
[16:25] <mcphail> chotaz`w: generally, no. Features aren't backported. There are some exceptions.
[16:25] <Pici> chotaz`w: not sure if you're asking this or not... but, features aren't backported.
[16:25] <mcphail> chotaz`w: If you want the latest-and-greatest, LTS is not for you
[16:25] <dewdrop> Hi, is there a really good alternative that could match Notational Velocity/Nvalt apps of Mac? The ones that I checked like Nvalt jsut does not have the features of the Mac ones.
[16:25] <bazhang> Voyage, skype from the partner repos? where did you install it from, and what is the exact issue
[16:25] <chotaz`w> mcphail, Pici thanks for teaching me a new term and answering the question, I'm sticking to upgrading every 6 months then :)
[16:26] <LXLE> anybody have a script to disable screensaver everytime a video is playin??
[16:26] <chotaz`w> LXLE look for caffeine-plus
[16:26] <bazhang> dewdrop, what is nvalt, and what does it do
[16:26] <chotaz`w> LXLE it doesnt work for me on 15.04, but you can try for your version, people have reportedly gotten it to work on 14.04 and 14.10 although it never did for me.
[16:26] <Voyage> bazhang,
[16:26] <Voyage> skype : Depends: skype-bin
[16:27] <Voyage> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:27] <bazhang> Voyage, you didnt answer any of my questions
[16:27] <Voyage> I had skype on ltc, now on 14.10 getting this issue
[16:27] <LXLE> chotaz'w so is that the only way, im tryin not to install anymore apps, im a revived laptop where storage is gettin low
[16:27] <dewdrop> bazhang: Sorry not Nvalt (thats for Mac), I meant NvPy, it is a simple note taking app, that stores tesxt in plain text files http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/09/nvpy-simplenote-linux-app-third-party
[16:27] <Voyage> bazhang, yes, from partner
[16:27] <LXLE> i want the breathing room for personal files if possible
[16:27] <Voyage> bazhang, followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype
[16:28] <bazhang> !info nvpy
[16:28] <bazhang> that one? dewdrop ^
[16:28] <MSLinux> Thank you giys for your help.. I'll me dropping by more often just downloaded 14.04.2 lts will install that and check it out! :)
[16:28] <dewdrop> bazhang: yes
[16:29] <MSLinux> guys^
[16:29] <chotaz`w> LXLE, caffeine supposedly doesnt let the computer sleep when a fullscreen flash video is playing and it also lets you toggle the screensaver from the traybar, and its merely a few kbs
[16:29] <chotaz`w> LXLE, I don't know any alternatives, but if you find one let me know, as caffeine-plus is just not working for me at all.
[16:29] <LXLE> chotaz'w ok i will check it out, thx
[16:30] <kikero> Hey!
[16:30] <kikero> My nm-applet has disappeared from both of my xubuntu laptops some time ago, but I was okay with that as long as it knew to connect to the wifi network I had.
[16:30] <kikero> When I changed places, though, it stopped working. What could I do?
[16:31] <fishdealer> how do I change my resolution on display VGA1 using xrandr
[16:32] <MonkeyDust> fishdealer arandr is a gui for xrandr
[16:32] <fishdealer> MonkeyDust, oh really going to install that.
[16:33] <MSLinux> Hi which course is availbe for ubuntu on Coursera.org?
[16:33] <MSLinux> i just checked it but cant find an ubuntu course
[16:34] <Voyage> Cannot install 'libqtwebkit4:i386'
[16:34] <fishdealer> MonkeyDust, just asking because xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 only works sometimes
[16:34] <MonkeyDust> MSLinux maybe because it's not there, i'm sure there are other courses you can follow, or start with the !manual
[16:34] <MSLinux> searched for linux also dint find it
[16:36] <dewdrop> MSLinux: You may try searching youtube Ubuntu tutorial for beginners
[16:36] <MSLinux> chotaz which course did you recommend me from Coursera.org?
[16:36] <MSLinux> ok dewdrop
[16:37] <MSLinux> i ll check it out thanks
[16:37] <chotaz`w> MSLinux, I remember doing a "Linux Introduction Course" there, don't know if it's persistently available like some other courses.
[16:37] <Kaby> hello guys on ubuntu 14.10 any software like virtual machine to add w system on it ?
[16:37] <Voyage> bazhang, now I am having more issues
[16:37] <Voyage> The "wine" package could not be marked for installation or upgrade:
[16:37] <Voyage> Depends: wine, but it is not installable
[16:37] <chotaz`w> !virtualbox | Kaby
[16:37] <dewdrop> MSLinux: Also "using uuntu" gives sshows nice beginner videos
[16:37] <fishdealer> how do I change the resolution to 1920x1080 with xrandr? arandr isn't helpful
[16:37] <Kaby> thanks
[16:37] <emilsp> Kaby, I'd recommend qemu/kvm with libvirt
[16:37] <Voyage> why skype and wine is not installable now as I just upgraded from 14.04 lts to 14.10
[16:37] <MSLinux> thank you chotaz..
[16:38] <MSLinux> thanks dew!! :)
[16:38] <Kaby> emilsp, can i find these in the download center ?
[16:38] <emilsp> you should be able to
[16:38] <Kaby> i found the launcher
[16:39] * Voyage waits
[16:39] <Kaby> emilsp, can you help by giving me the full name of the software in download center ?
[16:41] <chotaz`w> Voyage, try this: sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install skype-bin skype
[16:42] <chotaz`w> Voyage, you seem to be having an underlying issue with packages, not just skype's or wine's, I wouldn't know what it is, but both packages just installed straight-forwardly for me
[16:42] <Kaby> and 1 more question if you cna help me , how to increase the storage of ubuntu? i gave it 40 gega but i want to increase the space , i have dual boot win 7 and ubuntu
[16:43] <Voyage> chotaz`w, The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:43] <Voyage> skype-bin:i386 : Depends: libqtwebkit4:i386 (>= 2.2~2011week36) but it is not going to be installed
[16:43] <Voyage> Depends: libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[16:43] <Voyage> Recommends: libasound2-plugins:i386 but it is not going to be installed
[16:43] <Voyage> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:43] <emilsp> Kaby, in a second
[16:43] <Kaby> emilsp, sure tyt
[16:43] <epx998> is there something similiar to centos's spacewalk - for ubuntu?
[16:43] <emilsp> Kaby, just type in virt manager and the package Virtual Machine Mnager should come up
[16:45] <Kaby> emilsp, i found something called Aqemu
[16:46] <LXLE> chotaz'w it doesnt work, screensaver still runs =/
[16:48] <Voyage> anyone?
[16:49] <emilsp> Kaby, qemu is just the backend
[16:49] <chotaz`w> LXLE, what ubuntu version are you on? I get the exact same result, had to opt to completely turn the screensaver off when I wanted to watch a movie
[16:49] <LXLE> lxle 14.04
[16:50] <LXLE> chotaz'w lxle 14.04
[16:50] <emilsp> Kaby, and aqemu is rather old, Virt Manager should work better
[16:50] <trism> Voyage: pastebin the results of: sudo apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx:i386; say no if it tries to remove anything
[16:50] <Kaby> oh ok
[16:50] <Voyage> trism, ok
[16:52] <Voyage> trism, The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 : Depends: libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 (= 10.3.2-0ubuntu0.1) but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:54] <trism> Voyage: repeat the process with libgl1-mesa-dri:i386
[16:54] <Voyage> k
[16:54] <Voyage> libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 : Depends: libllvm3.5:i386 (>= 1:3.5~+rc3) but it is not going to be installed
[16:54] <Voyage> trism, ^
[16:56] <trism> Voyage: and with libllvm3.5:i386
[16:56] <Voyage> trism, it ended to libedit2:i386 and to install libedit2:i386 , it says it will download alot of packages. 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 248 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:56] <Voyage> Need to get 72.5 kB of archives. After this operation, 872 MB disk space will be freed.
[16:56] <Voyage> y/n?
[16:56] <trism> Voyage: no
[16:56] <Voyage> hm
[16:56] <Voyage> what now then?
[16:56] <trism> Voyage: but pastebin apt-cache policy libedit2:i386
[16:57] <Voyage> trism, Installed: (none) Candidate: 3.1-20140620-1 Version table: 3.1-20140620-1 0 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ utopic/main i386 Packages
[16:58] <karstenk> How can I check if a installed package is required?
[16:58] <trism> Voyage: this time actually use pastebin with the full results of trying to install libedit2:i386
[16:59] <trism> Voyage: cause that looks fine
[16:59] <trism> Voyage: but say no again
[16:59] <Voyage> trism, http://pastebin.com/U2N4425s
[17:00] <trism> Voyage: no that was fine before it was everything, I mean: sudo apt-get install libedit2:i386; then say no but pastebin all the output
[17:00] <trism> Voyage: we need to figure out why it won't install it
[17:01] <Voyage> trism, http://pastebin.com/4haUKefL
[17:01] <darius93> have anyone used ksplice on ubuntu 14.04?
[17:03] <trism> Voyage: actually: sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes install libedit2:i386; it is going to be alot of output
[17:03] <trism> Voyage: actually no, do that with libllvm3.5:i386 instead
[17:03] <trism> Voyage: might be less output
[17:04] <Voyage> trism, my console got ful http://pastebin.com/MTThYWeA
[17:05] <Voyage> paste is for sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes install libedit2:i386;
[17:06] <thor_> hello
[17:07] <Voyage> trism, http://pastebin.com/h7bD6cap
[17:08] <trism> Voyage: what is apt-cache policy libllvm3.5:amd64 libedit2:amd64
[17:09] <Voyage> trism, http://pastebin.com/vB3nntTi
[17:09] <Guest34131> hello
[17:10] <Guest34131> Oh yeah
[17:10] <trism> Voyage: there's the problem old package from some ppa or somewhere, try: sudo apt-get install libedit2:amd64/utopic;
[17:10] <trism> Voyage: don't do anything if it tries to do more than downgrade a single package
[17:11] <Guest34131> hello ochiottes
[17:11] <Voyage> trism, it says The following packages will be DOWNGRADED:
[17:11] <Voyage> libedit2
[17:11] <trism> Voyage: yeah that is fine
[17:11] <Voyage> done installing
[17:11] <Voyage> now what?
[17:11] <trism> Voyage: try skype again
[17:12] <Voyage> after an update?
[17:12] <trism> Voyage: if you want to update first that is fine
[17:12] <Voyage> it says After this operation, 130 MB of additional disk space will be used.
[17:12] <Voyage> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
[17:12] <trism> Voyage: I would need to see more than that
[17:12] <Voyage> doing it after yes
[17:13] <Voyage> trism, now, thanks for all that long help.
[17:13] <trism> Voyage: so it installed?
[17:13] <Voyage> trism, I wanted to ask that what might be the reasons of such issues
[17:13] <Voyage> trism, downloading
[17:13] <Voyage> trism, If I would not be a deep tech like you. I would never had solved it.
[17:13] <Guest34131> quit
[17:13] <Voyage> trism, who are you? do you work for ubuntu?
[17:14] <trism> Voyage: your libedit2 package was from either a ppa or you installed it from some place else, and so you couldn't install the repository version of libedit2:i386 because they need to match, we just downgraded to the repo version
[17:14] <trism> Voyage: no I'm just an ubuntu user
[17:15] <Voyage> trism, great. what OSs do you use?
[17:15] <dopie> hey all how do i check what processes are running memory?
[17:15] <Voyage> trism, can I know more about you?
[17:15] <Voyage> trism, private chat?
[17:16] <trism> Voyage: no, I have to go
[17:16] <Voyage> trism, skype installed
[17:16] <Voyage> trism, email?
[17:16] <trism> Voyage: excellent
[17:16] <Voyage> skype id
[17:19] <ioria> dopie ps -A
[17:20] <ioria> dopie top
[17:22] <Rory> Voyage: The people in this channel are volunteers, and if they want to give you personal info they will do so so don't ask
[17:22] <Voyage> sure
[17:22] <Voyage> Rory, without asking they wont.
[17:23] <Rory> Voyage: Exactly.
[17:23] <Voyage> Rory, so its good to as. ONCE
[17:23] <Voyage> Rory, exactly ?
[17:23] <Rory> Read between the lines and stop being creepy
[17:36] <fxmulder_> so I have ubuntu 14.04.2 server running and I've installed freeradius 2.2.6 and it won't start stating Refusing to start with libssl version OpenSSL 1.0.1f 6 Jan 2014 (in range 1.0.1 - 1.0.1f). Security advisory CVE-2014-0160 (Heartbleed)
[17:36] <adac> Guys I'm having huge problems with the native graphical driver in ubuntu (notebook lenovo T430s)and my monitor (DEll U2414H) connected trough a docking station
[17:37] <adac> It does not really reconginze the monitor. And it hangs sometimes forever on detection
[17:37] <adac> waht can I do?
[17:37] <vineetmenon> does it work with windows?
[17:37] <vineetmenon> have you tried?
[17:38] <adac> vineetmenon, sometimes it even works with ubuntu. But only sometims. MOs of the time it just hangs. when I unplug the HDMI and re plig it it then sometimes I got it working
[17:39] <vineetmenon> adac: oh.
[17:39] <vineetmenon> does lenovo support any drivers for ubuntu? that *may* help
[17:41] <adac> vineetmenon, I tried nvidia driver, but with that one my lenovo just hangs up from time to time
[17:41] <adac> so it seems that using the nvidia driver is currently not an option
[17:42] <vineetmenon> adac: ..and what about default driver?
[17:42] <vineetmenon> nvidia drivers sometimes cause problem
[17:42] <vineetmenon> try removing that.. i mean disabling it.
[17:43] <adac> vineetmenon, the default driver is nouveau right?
[17:43] <adac> with nouveau my external monitor does not work most of the time
[17:43] <vineetmenon> adac: yes
[17:44] <vineetmenon> adac: might help http://askubuntu.com/questions/360761/cannot-get-rid-of-nvidia-drivers-restore-nouveau-driver-and-get-desktop-working
[17:44] <OerHeks> adac did you try to reset the monitor with its own menu?
[17:44] <OerHeks> sometimes helps
[17:46] <adac> OerHeks, not yet no
[17:51] <adaccada> Its me adac. Sorry my notebook crashed once I tried putting it back on the dockingstation vineetmenon OerHeks
[17:51] <PCatinean> Can anyone point to a quick and easy way of permanently mounting my hdd caddy as a permanent hard-drive?
[17:52] <vineetmenon> PCatiean: entry in fstab/mtab
[17:52] <OerHeks> !fstab
[17:52] <vineetmenon> adaccada: ack
[17:53] <archheretic> Hi is there a way that I can ping a router throught their SIDD?
[17:53] <darkseid_hack3r> adding a tarball to backbox, dont laugh I know its easy but am not having any success with adding it
[17:53] <adaccada> got it working again now. After several unplugging of the mini HDMI and pressing the detection of the monitor vineetmenon andd OerHeks
[17:53] <julian-delphiki> archheretic: whats an SIDD
[17:53] <DJones> !backbox | darkseid_hack3r
[17:53] <vineetmenon> adaccada: anything special you did?
[17:53] <gunndawg> julian-delphiki: I thin he means SSID, come on...
[17:53] <archheretic> Im not connected to that wireless network, but i wlan0 finds it, so its a neightbour wifi
[17:54] <archheretic> yes sorry
[17:54] <julian-delphiki> gunndawg: calm, i'm just making sure.
[17:54] <julian-delphiki> archheretic: no, theres no way to do it if its secured.
[17:54] <PCatinean> vineetmenon, enter what?
[17:54] <PCatinean> some say only fstab
[17:54] <adaccada> vineetmenon, actually follwoing the link you send me and reinstall xorg and the other package
[17:54] <adaccada> vineetmenon, but sometimes I just got it working also before
[17:54] <archheretic> Okey, so no way to ping it then =/
[17:54] <teward> archheretic: there's no way to ping the router of a network without connecting to it, AFAIK - and if it's a secured network you have no method of access for that as well
[17:54] <julian-delphiki> archheretic: no, why would you want to.
[17:55] <vineetmenon> PCatinean: mount it normally, search for entry in mtab, copy the line and paste it into fstab
[17:55] <adaccada> so sometimes it just works, sometimes (most of the time) I need severeal times to unplug
[17:55] <vineetmenon> PCatinean: it should work.. normally.
[17:55] <adaccada> and in the worst case my notebook slowes down and does not react anymore
[17:55] <PCatinean> where is mtab again?
[17:55] <vineetmenon> adaccada: Oh nice.. congrats
[17:55] <PCatinean> got it
[17:56] <vineetmenon> PCtinean: /etc/mtab
[17:56] <PCatinean> vineetmenon, no UUID?
[17:56] <OerHeks> !fstab | PCatinean complete howto
[17:57] <PCatinean> there is no entry in mnt
[17:58] <vineetmenon> PCatinean: it will be best if you can read this, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab
[17:58] <littlebit> hi people, I have been trying to setup and configure a bridge between 2 interfaces, but it isn't working. During startup I get the following message: Cannot bring up device "br0" Bind socket to interface: No such device Failed to bring up br0
[17:59] <littlebit> here is my config http://pastebin.com/XFyicigY
[17:59] <littlebit> can someone help???
[18:02] <PCatinean> What permission does the mount point need to have in order for automatinc mounting to work properly OerHeks ?
[18:04] <OerHeks> PCatinean, he guide is clear, just run "sudo mkdir /media/<whatever>" no extra settings needed
[18:04] <OerHeks> *the
[18:04] <PCatinean> asked about the mountpoint options in fstab
[18:04] <OerHeks> PCatinean, depends, what type of partition.
[18:04] <PCatinean> ntfs
[18:04] <PCatinean> ?
[18:04] <PCatinean> UUID=51DDB6994E6674F0 /mnt/Caddy ntfs rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096 0 0
[18:05] <PCatinean> I got this from mnt directly
[18:06] <OerHeks> PCatinean, why @ /mnt/ ???
[18:06] <littlebit> hi people, I have been trying to setup and configure a bridge between 2 interfaces, but it isn't working. During startup I get the following message: Cannot bring up device "br0" Bind socket to interface: No such device Failed to bring up br0
[18:06] <littlebit> here is my config http://pastebin.com/XFyicigY
[18:06] <littlebit> can someone help???
[18:06] <PCatinean> because that's where I usually place mounted drives?
[18:07] <EriC^^> PCatinean: auto automounts it
[18:07] <PCatinean> huh?
[18:10] <EriC^^> it's a mount option, use it at the end though cause if you use defaults first it includes noauto i think
[18:18] <[976497]A> Has anyone here got any experience with single-board computers (like Raspberry) with Ubuntu?
[18:19] <PCatinean> How can I determine the best drivers for my Nvidia card so I can play CS-GO properly?
[18:21] <Lenry> Hi. I'm new to ubuntu(14.04 lts). And i have a problem with my sound. I own a microphone and headphones, seperate, and use a Y-Cable to combine them (ultrabook only has one jack-in slot).
[18:22] <Fr3d3r1c> Hello
[18:22] <Lenry> So i sometimes get sound, but no microphone input. sometimes microphone sound but no sound on my headphones
[18:22] <OerHeks> [976497]A, only rasp pi 2 can run ubuntu AFAIK
[18:22] <Fr3d3r1c> i have a question ! Can i expand my windows to 90% of my desktop to keep in view my background ?
[18:23] <MrElendig> Fr3d3r1c: sure, how depends on your wm
[18:23] <Fr3d3r1c> I'm on ubuntu with unity
[18:23] <Fr3d3r1c> 14.10
[18:24] <Fr3d3r1c> i don't know my windows manager
[18:24] <smoking-peanuts> I am having a wireless network problem. the connection seems to drop occasionally . The problem doesn't appear to happen with in windows. It also doesn't seems to happen on all network. But it is happening on the current network that I am working on. I used lspci -nn and found a wireless adapter of[0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188EE Wireless Network Adapter [10ec:8179]. I have done some searching whi
[18:24] <smoking-peanuts> ch helped me get the wireless working. But, the drops have continued on this network that I am connected to. any ideas?
[18:25] <[976497]A> OerHeks: no, there are other single board machines and I'm looking for a channel or people to chat about it.
[18:25] <ioria> Lenry, the micro is enabled in alsamixer ?
[18:26] <smoking-peanuts> I am using ubuntu 14.04 kernel version 3.13.0-49
[18:26] <emma_> hello
[18:27] <emma_> how can i add Multiverse and medibuntu repositories ??
[18:27] <Lenry> ioria. yeah i guess. dont know exactly. i just turned everything up
[18:27] <ikonia> emma_: mediubuntu is dead
[18:27] <ikonia> emma_: multiverse is already there - you just enable it
[18:27] <emma_> i must install this tutoriel https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TASCAM_US-122
[18:27] <k1l_> emma_: see system settings - > software and updates
[18:28] <ioria> Lenry, type alsamixer and check if there are MM is muted
[18:28] <emma_> and i have made one time but i forget the process
[18:28] <ikonia> emma_: the packages from medibuntu should now be included in the ubuntu repos
[18:30] <Lenry> ioria, i guess it's not muted. i turned down the internal mic. and headphone speakers & headphone mic up
[18:33] <emma_> ty
[18:33] <emma_> i go try alone
[18:33] <ioria> Lenry, what's your sound card ?
[18:34] <Lenry> ioria, i tried to figure that out yesterday. intel chip 7series or something like that
[18:35] <ioria> Lenry, lspci -k | grep Multimedia -A 4
[18:36] <k1l_> [976497]A: so you want to talk abtou ARM boards. there is #ubuntu-arm
[18:36] <[976497]A> k1l_: thx
[18:36] <Lenry> ioria, nothing with your line. with lspci -k | grep Audio -> Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
[18:37] <oal> How is battery life on Macbooks with Ubuntu these days? Anywhere near what you get in OSX?
[18:38] <OerHeks> oal, battery life, depends what you do with the machine.
[18:39] <oal> Just regular use. Last time I tried Ubuntu on mine, it used a lot of battery even in sleep mode. In OSX I can leave it over night, and it's only down tops 1% in the morning
[18:40] <ioria> Lenry, lsmod | grep snd ?
[18:41] <OerHeks> oal, when was 'last time'?
[18:41] <oal> Hmm, early 2014
[18:41] <Lenry> ioria, bunch of stuff :D
[18:41] <oal> January/February, OerHeks
[18:41] <ioria> Lenry, ok ...
[18:41] <OerHeks> oal videodriver might be better / more economic now, but generally ubuntu uses more power, that is true.
[18:42] <Lenry> ioria, need everything ?
[18:42] <ioria> Lenry, no,if there is snd_intel8x0
[18:44] <Lenry> ioria, nope. just snd_hda_intel
[18:45] <ioria> Lenry, do you have a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ?
[18:45] <Lenry> ioria, yep. i already changed something there.
[18:46] <Lenry> ioria: options snd-hda-intel model=1
[18:46] <ioria> Lenry, try options snd-hda-intel model=generic
[18:47] <Lenry> ioria, reboot i guess. then what should i see ? or how do i know if it worked ?
[18:48] <smoking-peanuts> oal: I have windows 8 on my machine and it seems to gets better battery life then my ubuntu. but that might also be because of a power management my wireless issue
[18:49] <ioria> Lenry, if the mic works as expected... otherwise,reverse with the previous options
[18:49] <Lenry> ioria. okay, well i come back maybe :D and thanks so far, no matter if it works or not
[18:52] <john_doe_jr> I have appended my PATH variable in ~/.profile and it it not being read after doing a echo $PATH…any ideas why?
[18:53] <dcarmich> Is there any way to see what Xorg driver Ubuntu is using?
[18:53] <dcarmich> (when there is no xorg.conf.)
[18:53] <oal> smoking-peanuts, I run Windows 7 too on my Macbook, but it is a lot more battery hungry than OSX. But that seems to be normal with Windows on Macs afaik
[18:54] <bekks> dcarmich: The /var/log/Xorg.0.log should give you that information.
[18:54] <dcarmich> Thanks.. just checked that, but also want to see if there's an up-to-date version of MesaGL.
[18:55] <smoking-peanuts> oal: Windows 8 is lighter on the memory than windows 7 i think
[18:56] <oal> hmm, yeah, probably. But I'll wait for Windows 10 before I upgrade :)
[18:56] <zeleftikam> what is this? Error mounting /dev/sda5 at /media/zeleftikam/2410DA0110D9D9BE: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000,dmask=0077,fmask=0177" "/dev/sda5" "/media/zeleftikam/2410DA0110D9D9BE"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0).
[18:56] <zeleftikam> Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount.
[18:56] <zeleftikam> Failed to mount '/dev/sda5': Operation not permitted
[18:56] <zeleftikam> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[18:56] <zeleftikam> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[18:56] <zeleftikam> read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[18:56] <crepple> has less updates tho - lets see after sp2 :)
[18:56] <darius93> zeleftikam, disable fast boot maybe?
[18:56] <grio> Jumpin' in here today.
[18:56] <darius93> i think fast boot and hibernation will cause that error
[18:57] <OerHeks> zeleftikam, so "The disk contains an unclean file system "means use windows and chkdsk to correct problems
[18:58] <zeleftikam> thanks
[18:58] <zeleftikam> also can't get any external usb or memory cards to mount
[18:58] <zeleftikam> tried various commands googling, nothing helps
[18:59] <zeleftikam> submitted bug report, no help
[18:59] <bekks> zeleftikam: When did you submit it?
[19:00] <zeleftikam> i've submitted bug reports over several weeks and they are all in this "undetermined" status and nobody seems to look at them
[19:00] <zeleftikam> let alone anyone who could fix it
[19:00] <bekks> zeleftikam: Do you have the links for them?
[19:01] <zeleftikam> yes but i'm not posting them to IRC because it would connect my nick to my real identity and i don't want that
[19:03] <ioria> overreacting
[19:04] <OerHeks> ioria, i would say: my bug is simular to this guy: url
[19:04] <OerHeks> mja
[19:04] <ioria> OerHeks, -^_^-
[19:13] <step21> hey ... any idea what to do about a package which seems to not properly install/uninstall and block apt-get with that?
[19:14] <step21> apt-get -f install didn't help
[19:14] <bprompt> step21: what errors are you getting? can you paste the error messages ?
[19:14] <baxx> how do I test whether KVM is currently enabled? I currently have this http://paste.ubuntu.com/10775740/
[19:14] <baxx> does that mean that it's running alright?
[19:16] <step21> bprompt, http://pastebin.com/DscTd5yB
[19:17] <studentka> hellooo
[19:18] <bprompt> baxx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
[19:19] <bprompt> hmm
[19:19] <baxx> bprompt: yeah - it doesn't have a command to test whether it's already set or not though, I'm not sure if this is something that's already been done or not
[19:19] <ki7mt> step21, well, part of the problem is package related, as the pre-removal script (prerm) is not handling the error very gracefully. What package is this your having issues with?
[19:19] <bprompt> step21: doesn't tell us much.... if you do a -> sudo apt-get -f install; does it give you an error? which error does it give you?
[19:20] <intrin> anyone use ispconfig 3?
[19:20] <OerHeks> step21, what package? build it yourself, downloaded somewhere, softwarecenter ?
[19:20] <bprompt> baxx: hmmm that page indicates a few things about whethere is running or not, is not just about installation
[19:20] <OerHeks> !details | step21
[19:22] <baxx> bprompt: fair, I can't seem to find something other than what I pasted in regards to testing whether its already set up, and I'm not sure whether that paste means its running or that it's able to run
[19:22] <studentka> who can help me?
[19:23] <OerHeks> !ask | studentka
[19:23] <q_> whats the name of that multi format uncompress CLI utility again ?
[19:23] <bekks> studentka: How do we know? Did you ask your real question already?
[19:25] <bprompt> baxx: yeah... looks not very specific... but I'd think it may seem to indicate it's
[19:25] <Tiberios> hey guys
[19:25] <studentka> i have a laptop pentium 3 850 with 256 ram. i have problem with the browser it is too slow. i want to use this laptop just fo surfing nothing more. which linux i should to install?
[19:25] <OerHeks> !7zip | q_
[19:26] <OerHeks> oh, not cli
[19:26] <baxx> bprompt: its.... don't leave me on a cliff hanger! ;)
[19:26] <halfburnttoast> studentka, probably lbuntu. But it's a P3, it's never going to be fast
[19:26] <Tiberios> I'm having an issue with the unity panel on ubuntu 14.04.2, basically none of the indicator applets show up in it at all
[19:26] <q_> hmm, I know there is one for CLI too I just forget it , OerHeks
[19:26] <bprompt> hehh
[19:27] <Tiberios> I've done a reinstall of unity and ubuntu-desktop but that hasn't helped...
[19:27] <halfburnttoast> lubuntu*
[19:27] <bprompt> baxx: seems to indicate that It IS
[19:27] <studentka> halfburnttoast do you think upgrade ram to 512 will improve it?
[19:28] <halfburnttoast> studentka, it'll probably help prevent the computer from using swap for a little longer, but the P3 is just old. Too old too keep up with the modern internet for most things
[19:28] <halfburnttoast> a replacement computer would be a better choice, if possible
[19:28] <bagginsDK> Hello Guys! I have a major problem with my laptop battery! It doesn;t change no matter what i tried. My ac adapter is working good but on Ubuntu 14.04 my battery is not charging. I have to mention that on Xubuntu 14.04 is charging as well as on Fedora 21 xfce
[19:28] <Fr3d3r1c> hello
[19:28] <studentka> i see. so i should to sell it for 20 euro
[19:29] <halfburnttoast> studentka, I mean, if that's the only computer you have avaliable right now, it'll work. It just wont be fast
[19:29] <Tiberios> anyone got any suggestions?
[19:29] <bprompt> studentka: smallest footprint *nix you can isntall, would be Puppylinux IIRC
[19:31] <studentka> i had install too another linux. 64mb in ram. but unlucky i can not to use internet. i think it can not to recognize the LAN
[19:31] <halfburnttoast> yeah, puppy would probably be better than lubuntu for that amount of ram
[19:31] <studentka> it worked from cd. i had not to install it
[19:31] <halfburnttoast> still, 256M is not a lot to work with, puppy linux or not
[19:31] <step21> ki7mt, bprompt the output to pastebin is the error part of the output of apt-get -f install
[19:32] <studentka> problem is ram. i see that when i open browser it use all the ram
[19:32] <step21> package is click (0.4.38.4-0~455~ubuntu14.04.1) from ubuntu sources or ubuntu-sdk
[19:32] <bekks> studentka: Thats expected when havong 64M RAM only.
[19:33] <halfburnttoast> studentka, it's not just ram. even if you had gigs of ram, you're still pushing it all through a pentium 3
[19:33] <bprompt> studentka: well.... to be fair.... you "can" get online with say.... .hmmm something like ubuntu 9.04... or even ubuntu 7.04 too, now, the browsers however, will be so outdated, that many pages will be broken, or patched up with some shim which will cause overhead
[19:33] <halfburnttoast> it'll never be fast
[19:33] <halfburnttoast> not with the modern internet
[19:34] <studentka> i see. i thinked that the problem was the graphic card 8mb. i thinked that i had to install the driver which there arent for linux..
[19:34] <bprompt> studentka: now, if you want to get online with a decent up-to-standards browser, then you'd need something like ubuntu 10 or up..... I think you can squeak by with 9.04 btw, but flash plugin was sorta not-so-great back then, and that'd make the browser slow as well
[19:36] <halfburnttoast> bprompt, uhh, why reccomend versions of ubuntu that aren't supported?
[19:36] <xangua_> bprompt: studentka if what you are looking is for a light ubuntu flavor use lubuntu or xubuntu.
[19:36] <bprompt> studentka: 8mbs for a graphic cards...goodness, come on now, I used to use a 8mbs videocard back in 2002, that machine sounds good for.... a vms or something.... or even a printer server or fileserver
[19:36] <halfburnttoast> current lubuntu will work with 256M, it just wont be pretty
[19:36] <bprompt> halfburnttoast: for it may work in his/her scenario, he never asked for a supported version for that matter, or even ubuntu distribution either
[19:37] <ki7mt> step21, Ok, I'd have to pull apart the package ( pkg brain surgery), but -f install is just forcing deps to be installed, I dont think that is the issue.
[19:38] <step21> ki7mt, yeah, well mostly the issue is that somehow if the package is interacted with, it depends on a working /usr/bin/click and as that is not there, it fails hard instead of gracefully
[19:39] <step21> interacted = removed,reinstalled, etc ...
[19:39] <studentka> this computer is old i know.. i will try xubunt. but it dont need 256 ram?
[19:40] <halfburnttoast> studentka, you'll need at least that just to run the installer
[19:40] <step21> ki7mt, it is ubuntu core package, but maybe current version is from ubuntu-sdk
[19:40] <halfburnttoast> minimal cd probably uses less, though
[19:40] <studentka> ok. i will try it thx
[19:40] <step21> (according to apt-cache show)
[19:41] <ki7mt> step21, Yeah, the import command in the module is failing, for some reason. I'm not overly familiar with click, though I have used it in the past. I would start by posting a Bug on it as what's happening is a broken behavior, rather than installation failure.
[19:41] <halfburnttoast> studentka, xfce has higher requirements than lubuntu, though. You might try that or puppy linux first
[19:41] <halfburnttoast> xubuntu*
[19:42] <studentka> ok
[19:42] <halfburnttoast> both are supported
[19:42] <halfburnttoast> or rather, still being updated
[19:42] <Tiberios> I'm having an issue with the unity panel on ubuntu 14.04.2, basically none of the indicator applets show up in it at all
[19:42] <Tiberios> I've done a reinstall of unity and ubuntu-desktop but that hasn't helped...
[19:42] <Tiberios> anyone got any suggestions?
[19:42] <step21> ki7mt, ok, will do that
[19:42] <baxx> Does anyone know where the JDK is for java 8 on ubuntu? javac -version gives me javac 1.8.0_31, but I can't find where the JDK is actually installed
[19:43] <step21> ki7mt, I tried the import stuff manually, the module it tries to import is there, but the name it tries to import from the module is not
[19:43] <htqp> baxx: why do you want to know? what is the real goal/problem?
[19:44] <baxx> htqp: I'm trying to follow some guide on setting up android studio and I need to point it to the location of the jdk
[19:44] <baxx> htqp: by default it's pointing to /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle
[19:44] <ki7mt> step21, yes, thats a core a function issue rather than install, unless the installation requires the import which would be really odd.
[19:45] <step21> ki7mt, yeah.
[19:45] <htqp> baxx: no experience with android studio, but command ''which javac'' will give you the path of javac executable
[19:47] <baxx> htqp: cheers, think it's a symlink lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 23 Feb 15 14:52 javac -> /etc/alternatives/javac
[19:47] <htqp> ls -l /etc/alternatives/javac
[19:48] <htqp> (alternatives should be a symlink as well)
[19:48] <htqp> (I meant, /etc/alternatives/javac)
[19:48] <ki7mt> baxx, that's normal for multiple Java installs on a system, update-alternatives allows you to select which JDK to use, if installed
[19:49] <ki7mt> baxx, More info here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[19:49] <baxx> cheers htqp , ki7mt -> I'm expecting to find something that's explicitly called `jdk` or with that in the name but I'm not, I'll have a look at the link thanks
[19:50] <baxx> ki7mt: basically what's at this video at this time : https://youtu.be/JTSlJV1EzKg?t=417
[19:50] <ki7mt> baxx, You find the binaries in something like: /usr/lib/jvm/jre1.8.0/jre/bin/java 3 or similar.
[19:51] <New_User_ubuntu> Dear All\
[19:52] <New_User_ubuntu> continous reboot of ubuntu 14.04
[19:52] <New_User_ubuntu> nothing much i could find in the logs
[19:52] <New_User_ubuntu> requesting help
[19:53] <New_User_ubuntu> Write failed: Broken pipe
[19:53] <baxx> ki7mt: yeh, In /usr/lib/jvm I have http://paste.ubuntu.com/10776062/
[19:53] <New_User_ubuntu> getting this error when i am connected via ssh to the servers
[19:54] <ObrienDave> could you use the enter key for punctuation just a bit more often? ;p
[19:54] <baxx> I'll see if anyone over at android-dev knows, not sure if this is a Linux, Ubuntu, or anroid issue though?
[19:55] <Kaby> hello all
[19:55] <bagginsDK> Nobody faced issues with his/her laptop battery?
[19:56] <bekks> bagginsDK: What if? :)
[19:56] <tgm4883> baxx: I didn't look at all teh backlog, but sounds like you need the JDK and not the JRE
[19:56] <Kaby> bagginsDK, what battery ?
[19:57] <bagginsDK> I am running ubuntu 14.04 on a laptop and my battery is not charging.
[19:57] <baxx> tgm4883: cheers - I thought that the command I ran showed that I had that installed though, javac -version javac 1.8.0_31
[19:57] <pavlos> bagginsDK, that could be hardware issue
[19:57] <k1l_> bagginsDK: look up if that is a known issue for your make and model. or test it if its a hardware issue
[19:58] <bagginsDK> I have no problems with xubuntu 14.04
[19:58] <ki7mt> baxx, I would think then, by using update-alternatives you could set 8 as your default and continue on.
[19:58] <tgm4883> baxx: that doesn't show much, is there more output?
[19:58] <Anosss> hello
[19:58] <Anosss> lol
[19:58] <baxx> tgm4883: that's all I get from that command
[19:58] <bagginsDK> I thought it is a kernel problem
[19:59] <Kaby> bagginsDK, your mixing bro between hardware issues and software issues
[19:59] <bagginsDK> Maybe some configuration that i am missing
[19:59] <Anosss> balls
[19:59] <monojin> Package management question: what is the difference between an "upgradeable" package as I see it in Synaptic and one that the software updater upgrades automatically?
[19:59] <bagginsDK> Does anybody know how to calibrate laptop battery in Ubuntu
[20:00] <Kaby> bagginsDK, Well 90 % of the battery problems would be hardware issue , but some times it could be software issue the icon show that the battery not charging but in fact it is working 100 %
[20:00] <Anosss> ubuntu works on all windows psc
[20:00] <Fr3d3r1c> hello
[20:01] <bagginsDK> Kaby, it is showing the icon and when i remove ac adapter it still runs for some minutes but i have no indication
[20:01] <tgm4883> baxx: you need to do an ls -l of /etc/alternatives/javac
[20:01] <bagginsDK> The icon still says 0%
[20:01] <Fr3d3r1c> i want maximize my windows at 90 % for viewving my background, is it possible (bad english) sorry
[20:01] <baxx> tgm4883: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10776139/
[20:02] <Kaby> bagginsDK, your battery need to be changed
[20:02] <ki7mt> monojin, short version, upgradeable means there are no package conflicts for the target of interest. Automatic upgrades happen for those packages where the dependencies can be met.
[20:02] <Kaby> bagginsDK, what laptop do you have ? hp toshiba lenovo acer
[20:02] <bagginsDK> HP
[20:02] <baxx> ki7mt: I'll have a look at update-alternatives, I've not used it before.
[20:03] <Kaby> yes take your battery or laptop to any computer support center and buy a new battery
[20:03] <ki7mt> baxx, here's a relevant example: http://askubuntu.com/questions/492029/update-alternatives-install
[20:03] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, right click on battery icon, settings
[20:04] <k1l_> bagginsDK: see my last message
[20:04] <baxx> ki7mt: cheers - what's the idea behind this? I don't really understand what it's for - telling the system what version of java I'm using?
[20:04] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, show battery status in menu bar: when battery is present
[20:05] <bagginsDK> pavlos, i keep following you
[20:05] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, then?
[20:05] <pavlos_> make sure the whne batter is present is selected
[20:05] <pavlos_> when battery
[20:06] <Kaby> pavlos_, when it is plugged showing 0 % and unplugged showing also 0 % then hardware issue
[20:06] <monojin> ki7mt: I just ran software updater and it wants to upgrade these packages after all; thought there was a difference. Thanks for your answer
[20:06] <pavlos_> I have NO suspend for the top row
[20:06] <ki7mt> baxx, It's used for many things, editors, browsers, compiler too-chains, etc. It allows the suer to select which, if multiple versions exist, to use as the system default.
[20:06] <pavlos_> Kaby, he said it works on Xubuntu ... just making sure the settings are ok
[20:07] <step21> ki7mt, kinda seems like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1386354 though not really as I was already at a ppa package and never tried upgrading to 14.10
[20:07] <baxx> ki7mt: I'll note that I can use Java at the moment for Processing programmes, not sure if that makes any difference
[20:07] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, when lid closed ... suspend
[20:07] <baxx> ki7mt: I'm going to try the advice on that forum post now
[20:07] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, what do you mean?
[20:08] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, I'm describing the options you see in the power settings window
[20:08] <ki7mt> baxx, Some Java applicaitnos require later versions that others, same with compilers, so it simply allows you to use whatever your needed for the source code needs.
[20:08] <baxx> ki7mt: though I still don't get it - I don't seem to have ANY jdk versions, let alone multiple ;)
[20:09] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, i have removed my ac adapter and still working
[20:09] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, http://imgur.com/x58I1Pw
[20:09] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, Maybe if i dry my battery....
[20:10] <ki7mt> baxx, Save I have Nano and Vim install, and I want want my default editor to be Nano. If I type "editor" in the command line, Vim pops open. If I change the alternative to Nano, then type "editor" nano opens up.
[20:10] <bekks> bagginsDK: Dry your battery? You want to entirely kill it? :)
[20:10] <baxx> ki7mt: yes but you have Nano and Vim in this scenario , I don't seem to have anything called jdk
[20:11] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, i have the same settings as you have. I make this dump question because my ui is in German
[20:11] <ki7mt> baxx, it's the same for JER's, compilers and so on. update-alternates allows you to set the default. If you dont have it installed, that's another matter entirely.
[20:11] <ayahia56> hi everybody i have problem with bluetooth can you help?
[20:12] <baxx> ki7mt: that's what I'm confused about - the command that's meant to test whether it's intstalled doesn't return error, but I can't find anything called jdk
[20:12] <ki7mt> baxx, What's the coommand your using to test
[20:13] <baxx> ki7mt: javac -version
[20:13] <baxx> ki7mt: javac 1.8.0_31
[20:13] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, run without the adapter, let the battery drain, then plug in adapter and boot. Maybe that will help ...
[20:14] <ki7mt> baxx, Ok, and what javac version or JRE do you need / want ?
[20:14] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, That's my thought. I will give it a go. I am very confused because on Xubuntu & Fedora 21 xfce i did not have problems
[20:14] <ki7mt> baxx, just fyi, JDK is short for Java Development Kit .. it's not a binary
[20:14] <baxx> ki7mt: I'm after the jdk, I think 8 is fine, in the android install the default location that it comes up with is /usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle
[20:15] <bagginsDK> pavlos_, thank you very much
[20:15] <baxx> ki7mt: in this video https://youtu.be/JTSlJV1EzKg?t=417 it's located in /usr/local
[20:15] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, np
[20:15] <baxx> ki7mt: I don't have it there though :/
[20:16] <easker> I'm trying to understand how to password protect editing of grub menu entries only. When I follow the steps to password protect here, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Passwords, all I get is a system that I can't boot until I enter a password. Am I missing something or is it not possible to only protect editing of menu entries in grub 2?
[20:17] <ki7mt> baxx, /usr/local would indication and source build isntallation. if you type: java --version and it renders something like: java version "1.8.0_40" .. you have JDK 8 installed.
[20:17] <ki7mt> ../usr/local would be an indication .. ..
[20:18] <AaronMT_> !warty
[20:18] <baxx> ki7mt: thanks : java version "1.8.0_31"
[20:18] <baxx> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_31-b13)
[20:18] <baxx> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.31-b07, mixed mode)
[20:18] <baxx> You are trying to send an empty document, exiting.
[20:18] <ki7mt> baxx, As a side note, I would *not* recommend building JDK from source, use the Web8 PPA or repository package for installation.
[20:18] <AaronMT> !hoary
[20:19] <baxx> ki7mt: I don't want to build from source - but looking at that implies that I have the jdk installed, so why can't I find it like the vidoes?
[20:19] <xangua> AaronMT: you can consult ubbotu in private
[20:19] <nullbyte_> java aways is vulnerable
[20:19] <AaronMT> Why EOL?
[20:20] <ki7mt> baxx, Find it like the video's ? I dont understand what your asking.
[20:20] <bekks> AaronMT: warty and hoary are horrible outdated.
[20:20] <AaronMT> Where can I download?
[20:20] <baxx> I don't have the jdk in the location that's in the video, or a directory named it that I can find anywhere else ki7mt
[20:20] <pavlos_> AaronMT, 5.04 was april 2005
[20:20] <bekks> AaronMT: Hopefully nowhere.
[20:21] <pavlos_> AaronMT, http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[20:21] <AaronMT> ty
[20:21] <nullbyte_> buntu
[20:22] <ki7mt> baxx, You have JDK 8 .. proven by running: java --version .. I've not watched the Vid, so there installation may be miles away from what you currently have installed., thus the danger of Vid installations :-)
[20:22] <baxx> ki7mt: indeed, but I would expect there to be a jdk directory somewhere, but I can't find it! I need to point the android studio to it :/
[20:23] <Bursihido> hello, http://pastie.org/private/xq2ddptccw1l9py1z6a
[20:24] <Bursihido> apt-get erros
[20:24] <Bursihido> can't get it right ..
[20:24] <ki7mt> baxx, Again, JDK is an acronym, not a package name, folder name or binary. JRE (Jave Runtime Environment) on the other hand, usually gets a folder name suffixed with the version.
[20:25] <baxx> ki7mt: ah shit, so it's just not got JDK in the name in the one I've installed?
[20:25] <ki7mt> baxx, +1
[20:25] <bagginsDK> Hello, how can i see installed applications/packages from terminal?
[20:25] <baxx> ki7mt: ffs
[20:25] <wawrek> hello, I am trying to increase the amount of memory allocated to apache. how can I do that?
[20:26] <baxx> ki7mt: thanks for your help, I'll just presume that the programme guessed right for now then !
[20:26] <dreamer_> nick #docker-dev
[20:26] <gr33n7007h> bagginsDK: dpkg -l
[20:26] <pavlos_> bagginsDK, dpkg -l | grep ii
[20:27] <ki7mt> baxx, If the apps your developing need 1.8.xx, and java --version is spitting back 1.8.31, your probably in good shape, as that is the default at the moment.
[20:27] <Bursihido> hello, http://pastie.org/private/xq2ddptccw1l9py1z6a
[20:27] <Bursihido> erros on apt-get install
[20:27] <Bursihido> dpkg
[20:27] <charlesW_> Is there a way for me to make a program start up automatically ubuntu 14.04lts boots up?
[20:27] <charlesW_> after boot up
[20:28] <bekks> !autostart | charlesW_
[20:28] <baxx> ki7mt: cool, i was just trying to find the dir that actually had jdk in it, but yeh, as fun a way to spend half an hour as any i guess ;)
[20:28] <bagginsDK> gr33n7007h, pavlos_ thank you!
[20:28] <pavlos_> charlesW_, using Dash, find startup apps, add yours.
[20:28] <ki7mt> baxx, Plan on spending allot more time than 30 minutes :-) .. that's just the beginning.
[20:29] <coffee-> thanks a neat command pavlos_ ty
[20:29] <charlesW_> ok, thanks...
[20:29] <baxx> ki7mt: looking for directories or actually doing stuff?
[20:29] <ki7mt> baxx, Both :-)
[20:29] <baxx> ki7mt: be nice if I could spend ages looking for a file next time, switch it up a bit
[20:30] <ki7mt> baxx, That's mush easier actually .. "find" is your friend in that case.
[20:38] <Fr3d3r1c> hello
[20:39] <Fr3d3r1c> how waking up a sshfs connexion every hours per example
[20:39] <bekks> Just use the ssh keepalive settings.
[20:40] <Fr3d3r1c> actually, i have added a sshfs connection on boot of my computer
[20:40] <ki7mt> +1 what he said ^ ServerAliveInterval xx
[20:40] <Fr3d3r1c> where is keepalive settings ?
[20:40] <Fr3d3r1c> it's on distant server ?
[20:40] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, ~/.ssh/config
[20:40] <Fr3d3r1c> it is not recommanded i believe
[20:41] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, By whome, and why ?
[20:41] <ki7mt> ..whom
[20:41] <Fr3d3r1c> by some users on internet for security
[20:42] <ki7mt> some users? .. not the SSH developers?
[20:42] <Fr3d3r1c> french users on irc
[20:42] <Bursihido> http://pastie.org/private/xq2ddptccw1l9py1z6a
[20:43] <johnhope> I'm kinda new to linux but I'm a gamer and too many things are uncompatable with linux so I'd like to uninstall linux and get windows back. I have a copy of windows on a disc but I'm missing the bios password. So what I was thinking was to make linux unrecognizable as a OS and have my pc to be forced to run the disc.
[20:43] <bekks> johnhope: SO who has the BIOS password?
[20:43] <johnhope> Idk
[20:43] <johnhope> Might be the defult
[20:43] <pavlos_> Bushido, did you try sudo apt-get install -f
[20:43] <johnhope> Couldn't find it
[20:44] <pavlos_> Bushido, the -f flag fixes things
[20:44] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, If you've properly secured your SSH server, this is not an issue.
[20:44] <Bushido> pavlos_: help option s opened
[20:44] <cn28h> can't the bios normally be reset with a jumper or such?
[20:44] <Fr3d3r1c> i have created a public key and phrase
[20:44] <bekks> cn28h: Depends on the mainboard.
[20:44] <Fr3d3r1c> secret phrase, i don't remember
[20:44] <cn28h> well sure
[20:44] <Fr3d3r1c> it's enough secured ?
[20:45] <johnhope> I don't know how to do that though I do think I read something like that
[20:45] <htqp> johnhope: sometimes you can reset the bios settings (including the password) by removing its battery, waiting a little, then putting it again
[20:45] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, Too much to go into here, but Disabling Root Access, Password logins, Access by keys only, Changing the port, things of that nature.
[20:46] <Bushido> pavlos_: sudo apt-get install -f dpkg
[20:46] <Bushido> it's not fixing it
[20:46] <bekks> johnhope: It should be documented in the manual of your computer.
[20:46] <pavlos_> Bushido, the is no dpkg at the end, just "sudo apt-get install -f"
[20:46] <johnhope> Where's the battary? And I got this 2nd hand without the manual
[20:46] <Bushido> pavlos_: it open help menu
[20:47] <Bushido> i thsow the help options
[20:47] <htqp> (assuming MBR) I don't see how 'making linux unrecognizable' could work, because the bios does not know about partitions, bios only knows about hdd or cd, once it boots off the hdd you are in the realm of grub which decides what os to run
[20:47] <htqp> so if you 'make linux unrecognizable' (assuming bios/mbr) you are only going to ask bios to boot an unbootable hdd = failure
[20:48] <Brb23> Need some help here my laptop wont connect to WiFi it sicks at the message User authentication required.. but never gives me the screen to enter the password
[20:48] <johnhope> But once I get the password wrong a couple times a different display shows and other stuff happens
[20:48] <bekks> johnhope: Which "other stuff"?
[20:48] <johnhope> 0.
[20:50] <johnhope> Then I have ubuntu the differnt versions of ubunto show including safety and if I exit that I get some terminal
[20:50] <johnhope> And I don't see a battery
[20:51] <Fr3d3r1c> oO ? there is nothing in config file
[20:53] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, Is this a Ubuntu Server?
[20:53] <Brb23> Need some help here my laptop wont connect to WiFi it sicks at the message User authentication required.. but never gives me the screen to enter the password
[20:53] <Fr3d3r1c> yes
[20:53] <Fr3d3r1c> on internet, a website say : /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[20:53] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, Is should be located in: /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[20:54] <Fr3d3r1c> scuse me, on server side, it's : /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[20:54] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, Make a Backup before editing, and ensure you have asscess via your keys "before" disabling root access.
[20:54] <Fr3d3r1c> but we can make this client side
[20:55] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, I would start by reading here first: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring
[20:55] <mjuszcza_> with the realm tool, is there a way to get it so that sssd does not start automatically?
[20:56] <ki7mt> Fr3d3r1c, and further reading here: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openssh-server.html
[20:56] <mjuszcza_> or should I just use adcli instead?
[20:57] <cnnx> how is uubntu's power management system on a thinkpad vs win7? i had to reformat win7 few weeks ago and now same problem, just hangs when trying to boot windows.. so im trying ubuntu on the thinkpad
[20:57] <k1l_> thinkpads are quite well supported by the linux kernel
[20:57] <cnnx> good to her
[20:57] <cnnx> hear
[20:58] <Fr3d3r1c> ok i will read it
[20:58] <cnnx> i run gentoo on my main system but the thinkpad is only an i3, didnt wanna compile everything
[21:00] <kokut> Hello, anyone knows how to remove/rescan cmus library?
[21:01] <MetalHead77> I'm creating a bash script to calculate the weekday within the calendar year 2011. My script should accept two input parameter values (MONTH DATE) and use the following formula to calculate weekday:
[21:02] <MetalHead77> WEEKDAY = 5 + MONTH + DATE
[21:02] <MetalHead77> The value of MONTH is based on an offset, seen in the table below:
[21:02] <MetalHead77> http://pastebin.com/8iYAyJkL
[21:02] <MetalHead77> To calculate the number for DATE, the following formula should be used: date entered % 7
[21:02] <MetalHead77> Once the formula for WEEKDAY is calculated, the table below is used to determine weekday. N.B - if the calculated value for weekday is more than 7 then do the following before using the table below: calculated value % 7
[21:02] <MetalHead77> Here is the table below:
[21:02] <MetalHead77> http://pastebin.com/51dsQ4WN
[21:02] <MetalHead77> What's the best way to go about doing this?
[21:02] <ki7mt> kokut, assuming Banshee hee, back up: ~/.config/banshee-1/banshee.db mv it out the way, then re-scan
[21:03] <jema3> Wil this adapter work on linux https://www.sitecom.com/en/usb-30-network-gigabit-adapter/ln-032/p/1533
[21:03] <kokut> ki7mt: mmh nvm i just deleted the cache
[21:04] <ki7mt> kokut, be sure to export your playlists :-) ..
[21:04] <kokut> ki7mt: i won't be using that functionality for now, i'm just using it to play music without using much resources
[21:05] <kokut> ki7mt: do you know how to sort files by length?
[21:05] <daftykins> jema3: i clicked 'support' - windows and mac drivers only, so no it's unlikely
[21:05] <kokut> ki7mt: in the browser view
[21:06] <ki7mt> kokut, no, not right off hand, but could search for it.
[21:06] <studio_> alguém aí fala portugês?
[21:06] <k1l_> !pt | studio_
[21:07] <ki7mt> kokut, command line is easy, then it always is: ls --sort=size -l
[21:08] <ki7mt> kokut, or more human readable: ls -l -S -h ~/my-cool-stuff/* | more
[21:09] <jema3> daftykins, yeah but thats the utility the chipset that drives the apadter might work
[21:11] <mjuszcza_> Is it still okay to use adcli join instead of realm join?
[21:11] <daftykins> jema3: and thus this is your time to contact the maker and find out what it is - 'cause that's not down to us :)
[21:11] <kokut> ki7mt: that command on cmus?
[21:12] <ki7mt> kokut, that command is for any folder ,, I knot know the best way to sort in the GUI View
[21:12] <ki7mt> .. dont know ..
[21:12] <ph_> there is someone who can help me ?? when i try apt-get update in a terminal an error submit : Pontarlier
[21:12] <jema3> daftykings, Thanks
[21:13] <ph_> W: Impossible de récupérer http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/ubuntu/archive/dists/trusty-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en Somme de contrôle de hachage incohérente
[21:13] <ph_> please !!
[21:13] <daftykins> you could at least run it via a translator, ph_ :P
[21:13] <k1l_> ph_: try a different mirror or wait until the mirror you use got the updated packages
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> ph_ I speak french... somme de control is control sum, that's md5
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> !md5
[21:14] <ph_> do you think if i try ap-get update later the probleme was resolv ?? or must i change mirror
[21:15] <ph_> ??
[21:15] <stoogenmeyer> hey is the wheel group equivalent to the sudo group ?
[21:15] <ki7mt> kokut, :update-cache -f should update it, but not according to file size, I think that sorts by time. Need to search a bit more.
[21:15] <MonkeyDust> ph_ yes, try changing the mirror
[21:16] <ph_> ok thank you !!
[21:18] <kokut> ki7mt: found the search command, it did what i needed, ty
[21:18] <ki7mt> kokut, looking at the manpage, there is pl_sort and View three, lots of ways to sort: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jaunty/man1/cmus.1.html
[21:22] <kokut> ki7mt: yea, just found that, ty
[21:26] <Guest27684> hallo?
[21:26] <Arduino> hi
[21:27] <Bray90820> Can someone help me auto mount a qnap SMB share on ubuntu 14.10
[21:27] <MonkeyDust> what's qnap?
[21:27] <bekks> A company selling NAS solutions.
[21:28] <Bray90820> MonkeyDust: A QNAP is a NAS Box
[21:30] <kart> for some reason i read the last 2 lines as " a company selling monkeydust "
[21:30] <kart> o.O
[21:31] <bekks> kart: No no, they dont sell unicorn dust.
[21:32] * Bray90820 kart here is your monkey dust http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/e5a7/
[21:33] <MonkeyDust> kart you have "daily ..." (dyslexia) ... fill out the three dots
[21:38] <ph_> just for information if the person who anwser me about my update error !! i change mirror and the problem whas resolv thanks !!
[21:38] <ph_> good night
[21:41] <dima666> Brothers, How to Prevent cookie for deleting?
[21:41] <dima666> of
[21:41] <dima666> deleting
[21:41] <dima666> if they're timed out or something else
[21:42] <hhee> guys, how can i turn off trash in ubuntu? unity
[21:43] <hhee> and how can i write out cache on disk? ssd in my case
[21:44] <notalanturing> hhee, what do youe mean with turning off?
[21:44] <bekks> !trim | hhee
[21:45] <hhee> notalanturing: i want that file go right to the /dev/null :) with out take some drive space
[21:45] <hhee> bekks: thx bro!
[21:46] <ki7mt> hhee, use shift+delete .. or you can bypass the ole trash can if desired.
[21:46] <hhee> ki7mt: well , you right.
[21:46] <angelicnitemare> quit
[21:47] <angelicnitemare> fuck
[21:47] <hhee> :)
[21:48] <hhee> guys you all awesome :)
[21:48] <ki7mt> hhee, in File >> Preferences >> Behavior .. enable Include Delete command that bypasses Trash .. be warned whenthey get deleted, they are gone without performing surgery on the drive.
[21:49] <hhee> ki7mt: tnx tnx! that's it!
[21:53] <coffee-> what is the repo for google products, ie earth chrome, and how would i add it and update from it
[21:53] <k1l_> install the chrome .deb package that will ad it
[21:53] <k1l_> !chrome
[21:54] <coffee-> kk thanks k1l_ , and the command for updating is sudo apt-get update?
[21:54] <k1l_> yes
[21:54] <coffee-> kk thanks a bunch :)
[21:54] <k1l_> well, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:54] <coffee-> oh ok ty :)
[21:54] <k1l_> apt-get update only gets the new list from the servers. it doesnt update the installed packages
[21:55] <coffee-> that makes sense
[21:55] <coffee-> kk
[22:05] <bradland> trying to get password-less sudo working on a fresh 14.04 server install
[22:05] <bradland> i have the following: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10777027/
[22:06] <embrik> I try to render a project including, video, sound and images, and keep getting this crash-report: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
[22:06] <embrik> what(): std::bad_alloc
[22:06] <bradland> nevermind. sorry :\
[22:07] <embrik> using ubuntu 1404 and heroine cv 2.2
[22:08] <embrik> can anybody help me? I've tried batch rendering as well. There are free resources on my computer
[22:08] <YNak> .
[22:09] <daftykins> embrik: system is stable in general? checked your hard disk health + memtest'd just to be sure? that's the only input i can give
[22:12] <embrik> daftykins, thanks, yes it's stable and in good health. Moved to Cinelerra-channel
[22:15] <CharlieTheCabbie> hi all. can someone please explain to me how to disable the active corners on the display please? I keep hitting one and wind up with my display breaking up into about 5 windows
[22:25] <q_> CharlieTheCabbie, hmm I know there is a way I usually turn that off also
[22:26] <q_> CharlieTheCabbie, https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/118/no-topleft-hot-corner/ does that work ?
[22:26] <pbx> after i've installed something from ubuntu software center, why isn't there (or is there?) an "open this" command? seems so obvious
[22:27] <q_> pbx, I know right ?
[22:27] <q_> pbx, plus the package that installs sometimes has a weird executable name
[22:28] <pbx> well, that i can roll with. but given that the app exists to put a friendly face on apt, why not add this obviously friendly touch?
[22:28] <pbx> thought maybe i'd just missed an obscure UI bit
[22:29] <CharlieTheCabbie> Ah, that won't work. I'm running studio and I have KDE & Plasma as my base
[22:30] <rkrzewski> \j google-containers
[22:31] <rkrzewski> sorry
[22:33] <OerHeks> CharlieTheCabbie, you might want to ask in #kubuntu too, but plasma should have a settings page for that
[22:36] <CharlieTheCabbie> Found it. Settings/System Settings/Workspace Behavior/
[22:36] <CharlieTheCabbie> Thanks for the point :)
[22:36] <AcE-Beta> hola
[22:36] <daftykins> hi
[22:41] <Trfsrfr> I ran sudo apt-get install gimp in the terminal. Is this all I need to do to install the program?
[22:42] <Trfsrfr> It doesnt show up in unity when I tried to run it...
[22:49] <pbx> Trfsrfr, did the install process appear to succeed (i.e. not end with an error)?
[22:49] <pbx> Trfsrfr, does `gimp` in the terminal launch the app?
[22:50] <pbx> Trfsrfr, by "in unity" you mean in the dash when you press super, or something else?
[22:51] <juan_> hello
[22:51] <Trfsrfr> pbx, I mean the ubuntu button at the top of the unity bar. The where you search your files
[22:59] <pbx> Trfsrfr, what are the answers to my other questions? what does `which gimp` say in the terminal?
[23:00] <Trfsrfr> pbx, sorry didnt see you other questions
[23:00] <pbx> Trfsrfr, scroll back, they all start with your nick
[23:00] <Trfsrfr> pbx, yes the install appeared to be good.
[23:00] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, it should show up when you search for it
[23:01] <Trfsrfr> let me try in in terminal
[23:01] <Trfsrfr> Okay, it says its not installed. let me try again.
[23:02] <Trfsrfr> sudo apt-get install gimp, or sudo apt-get gimp?
[23:03] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, sudo apt-get install gimp
[23:03] <Trfsrfr> kostkon - thank you. I tried the other one before. gimme a min.
[23:04] <pbx> Trfsrfr, that explains it. the latter command would have died immediately with 'Invalid operation gimp'
[23:04] <Trfsrfr> I got a warning about packages that cannot be authenticated. Install w/o verification?
[23:04] <pbx> i would
[23:05] <Trfsrfr> errors
[23:05] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, paste them on paste.ubuntu.com
[23:05] <kostkon> !paste
[23:06] <Trfsrfr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10777445/
[23:08] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, you are using an EOL release, an unsupported version of Ubuntu. That explains why you are not able to install gimp since the repositories for that release have been taken down, actually moved to old-releases.ubuntu,com
[23:08] <kostkon> !eol
[23:09] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, i would suggest upgrading to 14.04 LTS
[23:09] <Jervac> I just deleted about everything important on my computer
[23:09] <grio> So I think something just clicked: Installing via PPA means easier auto-updating, instead of manually updating each time with a .deb package... #epiphany
[23:10] <wafflejock> grio, that's true it also means you're trusting the package maintainer with whatever is in the compiled code and updates
[23:10] <Trfsrfr> Okay, that makes sense. I cant do it right now though. Can I still get the gimp from the old-releases, ubuntu.com
[23:11] <grio> wafflejock, had that thought, too. I guess it comes down to installing trustworthy PPAs, then?
[23:11] <kostkon> grio, try using only official projects ppas, definitely not from random people
[23:11] <wafflejock> grio, yup just be cautious don't add things from untrusted sources
[23:11] <grio> kostkon, exactly. No ppa:joeblow/gpg for me.
[23:12] <wafflejock> grio, anyone can pretty easily package up some software and setup a PPA and whatever they compiled in there is what you're getting so best to avoid unless you know/trust the source
[23:12] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, you would need to update your sources.list file to point to old-releases.ubuntu.com some partial instructions here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Update_sources.list
[23:12] <ryanbekhen> hello
[23:12] <grio> wafflejock, the revelation came from searching for a bitcoin PPA. I was looking for something that keeps it updated, but, you know, doesn't steal my wallet...
[23:13] <Trfsrfr> kostkon, pbx, thank you for your help
[23:13] <kostkon> Trfsrfr, np
[23:14] <wafflejock> grio, yeah ideal if you can look through the source for something and compile it yourself to be sure you know what's in there if you're seriously concerned about security, but requires that you can make sense of the code, can also use things like wireshark to see if an app is phoning home but filtering to figure that out can be difficult
[23:15] <wafflejock> grio, pretty sure canonical has a security team that goes through that kind of stuff for you which is why it's best to stay in the walled garden unless you know what you're dealing with
[23:16] <grio> wafflejock, I work in the VOIP field, so Wireshark and I are intimate. I don't add PPAs at random. I just had a moment's clarity after 6 months of using Ubuntu as my primary desktop.
[23:17] <wafflejock> grio, yeah can definitely be useful just always try to steer people away from them here since they're typically new users and won't be able to deal with the problems, intentional or not, that can come from adding a bunch of PPAs, also when you upgrade you have to deal with those sources possibly not being updated... there are pluses and minuses
[23:19] <kostkon> grio, but yeah the bitcoin client ppa is an "official" one https://bitcoin.org/en/download
[23:19] <grio> wafflejock, I'm guilty of doing that at the beginning when I was learning. Added a PPA that broke gnome hard, and since then, I'm cautious.
[23:21] <coffee-> PPA's?
[23:21] <coffee-> what does PPA stand for?
[23:21] <kostkon> !ppa
[23:21] <coffee-> oh ok thank yee :)
[23:22] <coffee-> !ppa-purge
[23:23] <monojin> !ubuntumate
[23:25] <kokut> Hello, is it possible to change my system's name without causing any trouble?
[23:28] <rkrzewski> kokut: sure, just edit /etc/hostname and reboot
[23:28] <kokut> rkrzewski: but will that cause any trouble..?
[23:28] <kokut> i dont have time atm to have trouble
[23:29] <rkrzewski> it shouldn't
[23:29] <rkrzewski> you can always edit the file again and restore original name
[23:33] <kris_pol> hey everybody. I`m seeking for common use programs running on terminal . currently using cmus, sap translator. any suggestions?
[23:35] <kris_pol> and lynx
[23:37] <Bashing-om> kokut: When you change /etc/hostname ; also make the same edit in /etc/hosts .
[23:37] <kokut> dunno man im a lil scared
[23:37] <ross_> how do you fix http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages 404
[23:38] <kokut> but i really need t change my hostname its a lil embarrasing and i take my computer to work every day and my coworkers probably think im stupid
[23:39] <Bashing-om> kokut: Not a big deal, no need of concern. See : http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/04/change-hostname-ubuntu1404/ .
[23:43] <zykotick9> !hostname | kokut
[23:49] <vince> hello anyone have experience with ubuntu and Configuring Gmail as a Sendmail email relay?
[23:50] <jnewt> i'm trying to create a boot image from a tarball. i do mount /dev/sdb1 boot and then tar -xvf bbb.tar.gz -C boot/ an dget a bunch of "Cannot change ownership to uid, gid 1001", even if i run with sudo. so, i setup the root password, and logged in as root, same problem. what could be the issue?
[23:51] <ikonia> jnewt: thats nothing to do with ubuntu
[23:52] <ikonia> vince: ubuntu doesn't use sendmail by default
[23:52] <jnewt> ikonia: thank you for the help.
[23:52] <ikonia> vince: you should be using postfix, and that can be configured to relay out of gmail
[23:54] <vince> ikonia, for some reason my ubuntu install has sendmail and not postfix, should I apt-get insta postfix instead for easier process in setting up relay??
[23:54] <ikonia> vince: it's not a default ubuntu install then
[23:56] <ross_> Ahh Precise went end of life.
[23:57] <k1l_> no, precise is still in support
[23:57] <ross_> so
[23:58] <ross_> well 404 on this is usually what you get when a release has gone EOL http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-security/universe/binary-i386/Packages
[23:58] <ikonia> ross_: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-security/universe/binary-i386/
[23:58] <ikonia> it's there
[23:58] <ikonia> just compressed
[23:58] <k1l_> run a "sudo apt-get update"
[23:58] <ross_> apt-get update is what is yielding said error
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[14:35] <brendand> elopio, talk talk talk :)
[14:35] <elopio> brendand: fgimenez: https://code.launchpad.net/~veebers/autopilot/revert-ext-class-fix-for-now/+merge/251025
[14:36] <elopio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1376996
[14:36] <brendand> elopio, so merge that with AP trunk
[14:36] <elopio> brendand: remove the skip, reintroduce the inheritance dark magic
[14:36] <elopio> there are some app tests that fail then. I don't know which ones, chris is the one who knows.
[14:38] <fgimenez> elopio, brendand this should be removed from trunk's head, right?
[14:41] <elopio> fgimenez: I think that the idea would be to make a branch for it, make sure that all autopilot selftests pass, and then run the gatekeeper job with that branch.
[14:41] <elopio> then check for the new gatekeeper errors related to inheritance. Make an autopilot selftests for that error, and fix it.
[14:43] <elopio> fgimenez: do you have the vpn set up?
[14:44] <fgimenez> elopio, i think so, let me try to launch it
[14:44] <fgimenez> elopio, how do we reintroduce the inheritance? just removing the skip doesn't make any test fail
[14:45] <elopio> fgimenez: hum, so that test is not good.
[14:45] <elopio> fgimenez: I just know part of this story, veebers knows more.
[14:46] <elopio> fgimenez: about building autopilot, I think you should join #ubuntu-ci-eng
[14:47] <elopio> I added a row in the spreadsheet, and then sil2100 assigned a silo to me.
[14:47] <elopio> on this page http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=autopilot you will see the build button.
[14:48] <elopio> this explains this weird process: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/LandingProcess
[14:49] <fgimenez> elopio, ok thanks a lot
[15:02] <fgimenez> elopio, wait, i was executing the unit tests
[15:11] <fgimenez> elopio, but yes, it makes no difference to execute python3 -m autopilot.run run autopilot.tests.functional.test_introspection_features with or without the skip...
[15:12] <fgimenez> elopio, http://paste.ubuntu.com/10773819/
[15:12] <elopio> fgimenez: I remember it was failing, but it started failing suddenly.
[15:12] <elopio> I don't know what caused the failure.
[15:17] <fgimenez> elopio, the previous paste was with the skip, this is without http://paste.ubuntu.com/10773866/ and test_customised_proxy_classes_have_extension_classes passing
[15:24] <elfy> good afternoon quality people :D
[15:25] <elopio> fgimenez: can you please leave a comment on the card for veebers?
[15:26] <elopio> jfunk: can we work on the inheritance card before the prioritization meeting?
[15:27] <fgimenez> elopio, ok will do
[15:29] <nuclearbob> pitti: I'
[15:29] <nuclearbob> m getting an error on adt-run but executing the test script manually works
[15:29] <pitti> nuclearbob: hey
[15:30] <nuclearbob> I'm grabbing the error now, it's about a (
[15:30] <nuclearbob> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10773980/
[15:30] <nuclearbob> and I'll grab the test script
[15:32] <nuclearbob> pitti: test script is here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-power-tests/trunk/view/head:/debian/tests/tc-powermeter-05 and if I copy it over and execute it, it works
[15:37] <pitti> nuclearbob: do you actually execute it, or run it through bash?
[15:37] <pitti> nuclearbob: because, "function foo()" is a bashism
[15:38] <nuclearbob> pitti: oh right, thanks, I'll change the shebang line, I had just been running it through bash
[15:38] <nuclearbob> I'll remember to check that in the future
[15:38] <pitti> $ sh -n /tmp/tc-powermeter-05
[15:38] <pitti> /tmp/tc-powermeter-05: 28: /tmp/tc-powermeter-05: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[15:38] <nuclearbob> yep
[15:38] <pitti> nuclearbob: or just drop "function" :)
[15:38] <pitti> nuclearbob: (it seems fine otherwise)
[15:39] <nuclearbob> pitti: yeah, checkbashisms reports nothing when I remove that
[15:41] <jfunk> elopio: yes, actually can you join a call?
[15:41] <elopio> nuclearbob: are you ok being the vanguard from 20:00 UTC to 23:00 UTC ?
[15:41] <jfunk> elopio: we're postponing the prio meeting to tmw
[15:41] <elopio> jfunk: ok.
[15:41] <elopio> jfunk: the fixing sanity call?
[15:42] <nuclearbob> elopio: I'd prefer to do earlier than that if that's feasible, that's 7 PM for me
[15:42] <elopio> nuclearbob: 17:00 UTC - 20:00 UTC ?
[15:43] <nuclearbob> elopio: that works fine except for today, when I have an appointment :) I can do 20:00-23:00 tonight and then 17-20 after that, if that's okay
[15:43] <elopio> nuclearbob: don't worry about today.
[15:43] <nuclearbob> elopio: okay. I'll pick up 17-20 UTC starting tomorrow
[15:47] <elopio> jfunk_: brendand: tomorrow the calendar is full of stakeholder meetings.
[15:48] <elopio> you moved it to the same time as the unity one.
[16:08] <rhuddie> elopio, do you have a moment to go over the webbrowser test failure?
[16:08] <elopio> rhuddie: yes I do.
[16:09] <rhuddie> elopio, excellent. This is the issue: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10771280/
[16:09] <rhuddie> elopio, there seems to be some sort of race condition when clearing the address bar text in the browser when entering a new url
[16:09] <rhuddie> it doesn't happen every time
[16:10] <elopio> rhuddie: is it like you clear it, and then the page is loaded, and then it's filled again?
[16:11] <rhuddie> no, the browser loads with the start page, and then we try to enter in a new url. the helpers then clear the address bar before the new url is entered.
[16:12] <rhuddie> elopio, here is the test code: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/trunk/view/head:/ubuntu_sanity_tests/tests/test_with_webbrowser.py#L130
[16:13] <elopio> rhuddie: yes, but I'm wondering why the field is filled after we have cleared it.
[16:13] <elopio> is it because we are clicking in the wrong place?
[16:14] <rhuddie> elopio, well, it is filled by default with the start page.
[16:14] <elopio> rhuddie: it starts filled, then we cleared.
[16:14] <elopio> but the clear is failing.
[16:15] <rhuddie> yes the clear is failing
[16:15] <rhuddie> elopio, but currently the clear is not called directly in the test code, but by the uitk helper which enters the text
[16:16] <elopio> rhuddie: yes. What I don't get is why you say there's a race condition.
[16:16] <rhuddie> elopio, well, because sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesnt :)
[16:17] <elopio> rhuddie: but this is sequential. For some reason we are failing to clear it.
[16:17] <elopio> I'm wondering if it's because we are not hiting the button.
[16:17] <rhuddie> elopio, here is the method pressing the button: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/tests/autopilot/ubuntuuitoolkit/_custom_proxy_objects/_textfield.py#L74
[16:18] <rhuddie> elopio, it seems like there has been some workaround added previously for checking the visible property
[16:19] <rhuddie> elopio, I've tried adding some waits to make sure the visible property is set true, but it did still fail in the same way
[16:19] <elopio> rhuddie: you lost me.
[16:20] <elopio> when the field has a clear button but it's not visible, the field is clicked to show it.
[16:20] <elopio> what workaround are you talking about?
[16:22] <rhuddie> elopio, that seemed a bit strange to me, that the text field had to be pressed again to show to show the clear button? but may be its not
[16:22] <elopio> rhuddie: it's not clicked again. It's if you try to clear it when it's not focused, so it's the first time you click it.
[16:23] <elopio> there could be something wrong in there, like we make something visible that hides the clear buttonl
[16:23] <elopio> rhuddie: do you have a screenshot of the error?
[16:24] <rhuddie> elopio, what happens is that the existing url is highlighted, and not deleted as expected.
[16:24] <elopio> rhuddie: that probably means that the clear button is not clicked.
[16:26] <rhuddie> elopio, there is another way to fix the issue, which is to call browser.main_window.address_bar.clear() before we try to enter the url in the test case.
[16:26] <elopio> it could be because we try to click it too fast, before it's visible. But that's not likely. We could add a clear_button.visible.wait_for(True), just to be sure about it.
[16:27] <elopio> or it could be because we are clicking the wrong coordinates, which is also unlikely.
[16:27] <elopio> rhuddie: that would do the same.
[16:27] <elopio> just with less ifs.
[16:27] <rhuddie> elopio, I tried adding the visible.wait_for(True), but it still failed in the same way
[16:28] <rhuddie> elopio, interestingly it didn't fail when I added the address_bar.clear() to the test. - I ran it for ages but it didn't fail once.
[16:29] <brendand> rhuddie, what about waiting for enabled?
[16:29] <elopio> rhuddie: what would be nice is to understand why that works.
[16:29] <brendand> rhuddie, it could potentially be disabled for a period of time
[16:30] <elopio> what would be different is that on write we call autopilot focused_write.
[16:30] <elopio> if we call clear directly, the focused doesn't happen.
[16:30] <rhuddie> elopio, yes I tried enabled too, but same result
[16:31] <elopio> rhuddie: so, that could be a valid workaround, but I would prefer to dig deeper and understand what's wrong calling clear from write.
[16:31] <rhuddie> elopio, yes, I was trying to understand why the helper was not working correctly...
[16:32] <elopio> rhuddie: can you debug the issue? like putting a breakpoint, call clear, and the field doesn't get cleared?
[16:33] <rhuddie> elopio, yes, I'll do some more digging.
[16:42] <elfy> wxl: you know your image is not booting on vb?
[17:28] <wxl> elfy: say what?
[17:30] <elfy> couple of days ago there was a pwconv /etc/passwd issue
[17:30] <elfy> today I got something else - booting it now for screenshot
[17:30] <elfy> but - image not for today currently
[17:30] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/eBDaXxd.png
[17:31] <elfy> just thought I'd let you know
[17:32] <wxl> elfy: which image?
[17:33] <elfy> 64bit
[18:23] <ianorlin> elfy on my desktop the amd 64 image booted and installed with manaul partitoning fine
[18:23] <ianorlin> except for the eject part which all are broken
[18:24] <elfy> maybe a vb thing then - I don't look particularly deeply for other flavours unless asked or needed
[18:24] <elfy> and yea - that's still fubar
[18:24] <wxl> elfy: what vbox version?
[18:24] <wxl> ianorlin: did you use kvm?
[18:25] <ianorlin> I installed on bare metal
[18:25] <wxl> oh!
[18:25] <elfy> wxl: 4.3.26
[18:25] <wxl> elfy: from the repos or upstream?
[18:26] <elfy> repos thiscycle it seems
[18:27] <wxl> elfy: no i mean vbox
[18:27] <wxl> or maybe that's what you meant :)
[18:27] <ianorlin> ok I will try vbox on this new bare metal install don't want the two hypervisors conflicting
[18:27] <wxl> i don't use repo versions so i'm not sure i can back you up at all
[18:27] <wxl> danke ianorlin make sure to grab from the repos
[18:27] <wxl> and confirm you have 4.3.26
[18:28] <elfy> repos for vb wxl
[18:34] <ianorlin> yes I have that version and virtualbox fails
[18:34] <wxl> awww fooey
[18:34] <wxl> elfy: ↑ might want to check the other flavors more completely
[18:34] <elfy> I am SOO glad this vbox issue isn't seen in Xubuntu
[18:35] <elfy> last cycle was one after the other for us :p
[18:35] <wxl> not in xubuntu? how weird!
[18:35] <elfy> wxl: I would expect other flavours have QA leads
[18:36] <elfy> I just happened to see this for you when ianorlin asked me something the other day so followed along a while
[18:36] <elfy> well we did see it a while back, so did Mate
[18:37] <wxl> elfy: so can you email the list?
[18:37] <elfy> list?
[18:38] <wxl> the ubuntu quality list
[18:38] <ianorlin> ok also nocompcache isn't a magic fix
[18:38] <elfy> wxl: ack - but it'll be later on
[18:38] <wxl> k
[18:39] <elfy> wxl: what for though?
[18:39] * ianorlin will try an alternate with vritualbox
[18:43] <elfy> wxl: did it - I'll likely not remember now I've made you aware of the issue and won't look again
[18:54] <wxl> elfy: i suggested it since other leads may need to know. mean they'll probably figure it out, but …
[18:55] <elfy> well I would have expected them to know I guess - it's been about on lubuntu for 2 or 3 days
[18:56] <elfy> anyway - such is life
[18:56] <wxl> yep
[18:58] <elfy> and a bunch of questions make me wish I'd not done it lol
[18:58] * wxl ducks :)
[18:58] <elfy> I'd rather wxl mailed the list :p
[18:59] <wxl> forgive me for i have sinned elfy :)
[18:59] <elfy> especially as I've got a real pita issue with my isp
[19:00] <elfy> my mails to mailing lists - get marked as spam here - so I have to go webmail to unmark them :|
[19:00] <wxl> i'll reply
[19:13] * elfy ponders lubuntu being upstart-less, wonder if that's part of this
[19:18] <elfy> made you aware - my job is done :p
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[00:02] <^k^> 新 Ubuntu 15.04 • 15.04 launcher图标右键菜单的问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469355 15.04 launcher图标右键菜单鼠标一动就自动消失了，怎么也选不中，什么情况 zz: squall724 — 2015-04-08 7:49
[00:04] <jackness> iMadper,过年开心啊？
[00:05] <iMadper> jackness: 还好.
[00:06] <jackness> 我想熟练编程
[00:06] <jackness> 有什么推荐吗？
[00:06] <iMadper> jack77213: 有. clojure programming
[00:06] <iMadper> jack77213: 看这本书, 配合sicp.
[00:06] <iMadper> jack77213: 看完就行了
[00:06] <jackness> 你知道如何登录远程的ECS然后架设网站吗？
[00:07] <iMadper> 不知道
[00:07] <jackness> clojure programming 是什么呢？
[00:08] <iMadper> jackness: 书.
[00:08] <iMadper> jackness: 下载下来看就是了
[00:08] <jackness> 好的 直接网上有pdf吗？
[00:08] <jack77213> iMadper: o_O
[00:09] <iMadper> jack77213: nnnd, 你们名字前四个字母都一样啊... 你快去改名字, 加个前缀
[00:09] <jack77213> 就不…
[00:10] <iMadper> jack77213: 别傲娇嘛
[00:10] <jackness> 找到了，我下载下来好好学习学习
[00:10] <jackness> 谢谢 iMadper
[00:10] <iMadper> jack77213: 你改名叫 JiuBu|jack77213 吧?
[00:10] * jack77213 强迫症，一改就要改好多账户的…好麻烦…
[00:10] <iMadper> jack77213: 好吧...
[00:15] <jackness> clojure和java有什么区别啊？
[00:16] <iMadper> jack77213: clojure就是java. 用更简单的语法写java.
[00:16] <jack77213> lol
[00:16] <iMadper> jack77213: .. 又发给你了...
[00:16] <iMadper> jackness: clojure就是java. 用更简单的语法写java.
[00:17] * iMadper 困了, 再睡个回笼觉去~
[00:17] <jackness> 哦 原来如此 那我在my eclipse里面可以敲clojure了啊
[00:17] <jackness> 哈哈 名字重复了啊
[00:17] <iMadper> jackness: 没试过, 最好的工具是: jetbrains家的InteLLiJ IDEA
[00:18] <jackness> tab键失效了
[00:18] <iMadper> jackness: 字母序, 7在英文紫慕前面, 所以自动是他
[00:18] <jackness> ubuntu可以安装Intellij吗？
[00:18] <jackness> 额。。。
[00:18] <iMadper> jack77213: 口以.
[00:19] <jackness> 发个链接给我啊 我来安装看看
[00:19] <jack77213> 多按一次tab就好了…
[00:19] <iMadper> jackness: 自己找.
[00:19] <iMadper> jack77213: 手太快.
[00:19] <jackness> 好吧
[00:19] <jack77213> lol
[00:22] <jackness> iMadper，需要花钱的啊 要购买
[00:23] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 14.10 • 請問linux有這個指紋識別的驅動麼 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469356 嘗試過了Fprint和FingerPrintGui，都不支持這個設備，請問ubuntu還有什麼別的指紋識別驅動嗎？ Bus 002 Device 005: ID 138a:0050 Validity Sensors, Inc. 謝謝 zz: 何必當真12 — 2015-04-08 8:23
[00:29] <gfxmode> Hi，早上好
[00:49] <zc-winer> 。。。
[00:49] <zc-winer> 有人在么
[00:49] <^k^> zc-winer:点点点. 08:49
[00:50] <zc-winer> 啥意思
[00:50] <zc-winer> 发现似乎没有中文频道
[00:56] <zc-winer> 都没人么
[00:56] <zc-winer> ....
[00:58] <iMadper> zc-winer: 都还没起呢
[01:00] <iMadper> zc-winer: 你过两个小时来, 就知道人多了
[01:01] <Destine> 悲桑，我已经上班了。。。
[01:03] <zc-winer> 不会吧
[01:03] <zc-winer> 我都在公司呆了快一个小时了
[01:03] <skh1> 我的电脑开机显示 【sdb】no caching mode page found
[01:03] <zc-winer> 知道怎么改菜单么
[01:03] <zc-winer> @imadper
[01:03] <zc-winer> 不对 改昵称
[01:03] <zc-winer> 我是新手－ －
[01:03] <zc-winer> xchat不知道怎么用
[01:03] <skh1> 然后就卡住不动了，什么原因啊？
[01:31] <ZachWiner> 怎么看自己的是否已注册
[01:47] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 竟然是图片 http://i3.xiaohua.fd.zol-img.com.cn/t_s600x5000/g3/M07/00/08/Cg-4V1I2qI6IdtYVAACn4uledXcAALrEwGh29wAAKf6129.jpg 这牌子亮了
[01:50] <ZachWiner> 我说 你能看到我打字么
[01:53] <BuMangHuo> 看不到
[01:53] <ZachWiner> 你妹－ －
[01:53] <ZachWiner> 对了 怎么回复
[01:53] <ZachWiner> 如果我回复你的话
[01:53] <ZachWiner> 是@么
[01:55] <ZachWiner> @bumanghuo
[01:55] <BuMangHuo> 不用
[01:55] <BuMangHuo> 直接输名字就行
[01:56] <ZachWiner> Bumanghuo
[01:56] <ZachWiner> 没用0 0
[01:56] <ZachWiner> BuMangHuo
[01:57] <BuMangHuo> ZachWiner: 丫要干嘛
[01:57] <ZachWiner> 单独回复啊
[01:58] <ZachWiner> 就像你这样
[01:58] <ZachWiner> 现实红色字体
[01:58] <ZachWiner> ／msg bumanghuo － －
[01:58] <BuMangHuo> 私聊？ 你不是妹子的话别跟我私聊
[01:59] <ZachWiner> ／msg BuMangHuo 0 0
[01:59] <ZachWiner> 是红色的么
[01:59] <BuMangHuo> ..........
[02:01] <jackness_> 私聊是/msg吧
[02:01] <jackness_> 你们想私聊什么啊
[02:01] <jackness_> 管理员不在啊
[02:04] <ZachWiner> BuMangHuo 好吧 我慢慢琢磨吧 不打扰你了
[02:04] <jackness_> 你们在研究什么难题啊？
[02:05] <BuMangHuo> ZachWiner: 你自己再开一个客户端试不就得了
[02:06] <BuMangHuo> ZachWiner: 你现在看不到人说话是因为大家还没上线
[02:10] <happyaron> HowIsItGoing: frag真名叫啥来着
[02:12] <onlylove_> http://news.mydrivers.com/1/401/401725.htm
[02:12] <^k^> onlylove_: ⇪ Windows 10一大堆新图标：炫彩版Win98？-Windows 10,图标,Windows 98,扁平化,拟物化-驱动之家
[02:12] <onlylove_> 微软丑哭了的图标
[02:13] <ZachWiner> － － 胡子一大把
[02:17] <sennn> hi
[02:17] <^k^> sennn:点点点. 10:17
[02:20] <ZachWiner> 是／say
[02:22] <ZachWiner> 点点点是啥意思
[02:24] <ZachWiner> ／me －，－
[02:25] <jusss> 今天见一178的妹子，腿好长好直,身材又好又漂亮
[02:26] <onlylove> 一位中国老人在海关翻找护照，韩国女海关瞥了一眼老人，尖酸的问：“你来过首尔？” 老头儿点了点头：“来过一次。”女海关瞪了老头眼：“怎么不知道提前拿护照？”
[02:26] <onlylove> 老头儿摇了摇头：“我上次来没检查护照。”女海关满脸难以置信：“不可能！中国人来韩国都要检查护照！你上次来是什么时候？”老头儿平静地说：“51年元月份，当时开坦克来的，没有一个南朝鲜人要查我的护照。”
[02:26] <sennn> niubility
[02:45] <jusss> happyaron: bash中有没有类似py中exec的语句？
[02:45] <jusss> happyaron: exec(string)
[02:45] <jusss> 不是exec程序
[02:45] <happyaron> jusss: exec
[02:46] <happyaron> jusss: eval?
[02:46] <jusss> happyaron: 对
[02:46] <happyaron> jusss: $()
[02:46] <happyaron> jusss: 用subshell就可以
[02:46] <jusss> happyaron: 赋值语句，不是求值表达式
[02:46] <happyaron> jusss: 那就直接赋值？
[02:47] <O0XX> happyaron: 拜小dd
[02:47] <happyaron> O0XX: 拜蛤蟆壕
[02:49] <iMadper> happyaron: 拜小dd
[02:50] <jusss> 不是eval(expression) 是exec(statement)
[02:50] <jusss> happyaron: var="bla" 现在创造个变量 bla="xxx"
[02:50] <jussss> happyaron: diaole
[02:50] <jussss> 这破网络，又掉了
[02:51] <iMadper> 看半天也没看懂 jusss的需求.
[02:51] <jussss> iMadper: 通过变量去创造变量
[02:51] <iMadper> jusss`: 更看不懂了
[02:52] <jusss`> iMadper: py, a="b" exec(a+'='+'3')创造个b=3这样个变量
[02:52] <jusss`> iMadper: 通过一个变量的值去创造另一个变量
[02:52] <iMadper> jusss`: reader?
[02:53] <ZachWiner> 都是大神
[02:53] <iMadper> jusss`: 你想要个读取器?
[02:53] <jusss`> iMadper: 不知道什么是读取器，我就是想混淆identifier和value之间的界限
[02:54] <iMadper> jusss`: 我还真没试过bash怎么玩这个, 我先试试看
[02:54] <jusss`> happyaron: bash牛牛
[02:55] <^k^> 新 启动和引导 • ubuntu 14.04 kodi 两个登录账户 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469357 之前登录系统的时候没有发现可以切换用户，装了kodi后，连续输入了两次apt-get install kodi-standalone，现在登录账户里出现了两个kodi帐号，我想删除一个，应该怎么做？ zz: matthewdphilip — 2015-04-08 9:26
[02:56] <iMadper> jusss`: 刻意
[02:56] <iMadper> jusss`: 可以
[02:56] <jusss`> iMadper: 怎么写？
[02:56] <iMadper> jusss`: a="b"; eval "$a=c"; echo $b
[02:58] <happyaron> iMadper: 拜妹子壕
[02:58] <iMadper> happyaron: 乖.
[02:58] <iMadper> happyaron: 改天去骑13陵?
[02:58] <happyaron> jusss`: 这个直接b=3就创造了啊
[02:58] <happyaron> iMadper: 还没买
[02:58] <happyaron> iMadper: 另外不骑长途
[02:58] <iMadper> happyaron: 没事, 我的还没倒
[02:59] <iMadper> happyaron: 啊? 你不是30km起吗?
[02:59] <happyaron> iMadper: 嗯，但只骑平路
[02:59] <happyaron> iMadper: 不上山
[02:59] <iMadper> happyaron: 13陵也是平路
[02:59] <iMadper> happyaron: 公路
[02:59] <happyaron> o
[02:59] <happyaron> 那再说
[02:59] <iMadper> happyaron: 越野... 玩不起...
[02:59] <happyaron> 嗯。。。
[03:00] <BuMangHuo> happyaron: 130 算长途？
[03:00] <iMadper> happyaron: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNzQ2NTAwNTk2.html
[03:00] <^k^> iMadper: ⇪ CHRISCROSS—在线播放—优酷网，视频高清在线观看
[03:00] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 不过 130 有个坡的
[03:00] <jusss`> iMadper: 那怎么用这种形式 echo ${$(a)} 通过变量a去访问它的值产生的值 ？
[03:00] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 坡也是公路啊
[03:00] <BuMangHuo> 蟒山旁边那个
[03:00] <HowIsItGoing> BuMangHuo: 你不算， happyaron 不算， iMadper 差不多了，从东边骑到北城还得25km至少
[03:00] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 也对哦
[03:00] <BuMangHuo> .......
[03:01] <BuMangHuo> 哈，对，我本来就在昌平住
[03:01] <iMadper> HowIsItGoing: 昂, 貌似不止25...
[03:01] <BuMangHuo> iMadper: 那来回弄不好得 100 了？
[03:01] <HowIsItGoing> iMadper: 到北五环，差不多25吧？
[03:01] <HowIsItGoing> BuMangHuo: 必然破百
[03:01] <iMadper> HowIsItGoing: 我家到公司就17km了...
[03:02] <BuMangHuo> 这么猛
[03:02] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 破百必须的吧...
[03:02] <O0XX> BuMangHuo: 你不是住西二旗么?
[03:02] <iMadper> BuMangHuo: 要不还是换个地方吧
[03:02] <HowIsItGoing> iMadper: 卧槽，那得奔40去了
[03:02] <iMadper> jusss`: http://www.bluegraybox.com/blog/2011/08/05/bash-metaprogramming/
[03:02] <BuMangHuo> O0XX: 上班在西二旗啊
[03:02] <^k^> ⇪ ti: Bash Metaprogramming -
[03:02] <iMadper> jusss`: 多看, 少问.
[03:02] <iMadper> HowIsItGoing: 卧槽, 那还是算了...
[03:03] <O0XX> BuMangHuo: 我咋记得你住回龙观新村...
[03:03] <HowIsItGoing> BuMangHuo: iMadper 戒台寺潭柘寺
[03:03] <iMadper> HowIsItGoing: 昂...
[03:03] <BuMangHuo> O0XX: 是你老跑回龙观好不
[03:03] <iMadper> O0XX: 是你老跑回龙观好不
[03:03] <O0XX> HowIsItGoing: 潭拓寺...
[03:03] <HowIsItGoing> BuMangHuo: iMadper 我感脚你们北边东边的骑不到一块儿去
[03:03] <O0XX> HowIsItGoing: 太TMD的远了
[03:03] <iMadper> HowIsItGoing: 我觉得, 也是...
[03:03] <BuMangHuo> HowIsItGoing: 对昂
[03:03] <HowIsItGoing> O0XX: 是你老跑回龙观好不
[03:03] <ZachWiner> 大首都
[03:04] <ZachWiner> 为啥我名字时灰色的
[03:04] <HowIsItGoing> O0XX|Qiong: 你去过？ 不太远吧，北边去来回120足够了
[03:04] <WhatsGoingOn> ZachWiner: 你的客户端显示自己的名字是灰色的
[03:04] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: BuMangHuo 我就记得又一次我想去潭拓寺, 查了查路就不
[03:04] <O0XX|Qiong> 去了
[03:04] <O0XX|Qiong> HowIsItGoing: ^^^
[03:05] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 公交不方便
[03:05] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Xv97raW7w
[03:05] <ZachWiner> 搜噶 有人周末玩么 约一下
[03:05] <O0XX|Qiong> ZachWiner: 这里都是老爷们...
[03:06] <O0XX|Qiong> ZachWiner: https://www.ashleymadison.com
[03:06] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 少年，130 是骑行的起步路线啊
[03:06] <^k^> O0XX|Qiong: ⇪ Ashley Madison® - Married Dating & Discreet encounters - Have An Affair
[03:06] <O0XX|Qiong> Ashley Madison 是最知名的婚外戀和已婚約會品牌。
[03:06] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 你们在昌平, 我在通州, 能tm一样吗
[03:06] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: lol
[03:06] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 你知道的真多.
[03:06] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: 泄泻
[03:07] <^k^> 新 课堂教学和培训 • 请教vlookup函数的用法 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469358 数据库有英文指法和中文指法两张表，英文的学号已经输进去了，现在想把英文的学号导入到中文指法表里， 把两张表导出csv，然后用vlookup来合并，下拉自动填充后一直是重复值 Code: =VLOOKUP(A1,H1:I1021,2)
[03:07] <^k^> ─> zz: TeliuTe — 2015-04-08 11:05
[03:07] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: BuMangHuo 你们可以骑到天安门集合
[03:07] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: BuMangHuo 然后一起去潭拓寺
[03:07] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 好主意!
[03:08] <happyaron> HowIsItGoing: 我不知道多远啊，没去过
[03:08] <happyaron> HowIsItGoing: 所以先说好不跑长途啊
[03:08] <BuMangHuo> 我查查
[03:08] <ZachWiner> o0｜Qiong 没有妹子啊
[03:08] * O0XX|Qiong 等我买个自行车, 我也去
[03:08] <BuMangHuo> 关键那个潭拓寺好骑么
[03:08] <BuMangHuo> happyaron: 为啥不长途呢
[03:08] <happyaron> 股神阿当怎么没来
[03:08] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: 目前还不喜欢啊
[03:08] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: 以后喜不喜欢不知道
[03:09] <BuMangHuo> happyaron: 多少以内你接受
[03:09] <happyaron> 股神是不是因为今天大盘跳水了
[03:09] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: 35km
[03:09] <iotouch> 这里有玩C开发的嘛
[03:09] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: 来回
[03:09] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: 最多40
[03:09] <O0XX|Qiong> iotouch: -> WhatsGoingOn BuMangHuo
[03:09] <O0XX|Qiong> iotouch: -> tryit
[03:09] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: 再多的话，目前不能接受
[03:09] <happyaron> O0XX|Qiong: 股神来上班了么？
[03:10] <BuMangHuo> 40 那哪里都去不了啊
[03:10] <O0XX|Qiong> happyaron: 股神今天WTF啊
[03:10] <happyaron> O0XX|Qiong: 啥？
[03:10] <O0XX|Qiong> happyaron: WFH
[03:10] <happyaron> O0XX|Qiong: 哦。。。
[03:10] <happyaron> O0XX|Qiong: 他wtf了
[03:11] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 少年，我查的 tam 到潭拓寺 约36.5公里
[03:11] <BuMangHuo> 这个更远吧
[03:11] <ZachWiner> 都北京的啊 有在上海的么
[03:12] <jusss`> happyaron: echo ${$(echo $a)}这种写法怎么都不可以
[03:12] <jusss`> a="b";eval "$a=c"; echo ${$(echo $a)}
[03:13] <happyaron> jusss`: 不可以
[03:13] <happyaron> jusss`: 你这么费劲目的是啥
[03:13] <happyaron> echo ${$(echo $a)} 为毛不 echo $a
[03:13] <happyaron> 你这不是蛋疼么
[03:14] <BuMangHuo> happyaron: 你妄图跟上 jusss` 的思路
[03:14] <jusss`> happyaron: 实现identifier和value的互相转换
[03:14] <BuMangHuo> happyaron: 至少先得跟上 jiero 的思路
[03:14] <happyaron> jusss`: 你是要创建名为 $a 的值的变量？
[03:14] <iotouch> ZachWiner was in shanghai before
[03:14] <happyaron> jusss`: 这个表示我曾经做过，没做到～不能动态创建
[03:14] <jusss`> happyaron: 对
[03:14] <happyaron> jusss`: 但是也没仔细查，可能有大神能做到
[03:14] <jusss`> happyaron: eval可以
[03:14] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: 我跟上了
[03:15] <happyaron> jusss`: 怎么eval，说说
[03:15] <ZachWiner> 。。。
[03:15] <jusss`> happyaron: a="b";eval "$a=c";
[03:15] <ZachWiner> 现在总人数111
[03:15] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: 罗姐的有时能跟上，有时跟不上
[03:15] <happyaron> jusss`: 泄泻大神
[03:15] <jusss`> happyaron: 这不是我写的
[03:15] <jusss`> happyaron: WhatsGoingOn 大婶写的
[03:16] <happyaron> WhatsGoingOn: 拜见妹子壕房壕大神
[03:16] <onlylove> tryit: 拜高管，问你个驱动问题
[03:16] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: 拜见妹子壕房壕大神
[03:17] <onlylove> tryit: modem 用NDIS或者RAS的连接方式，对应用程序来说有区别么？
[03:18] <ZachWiner> 要是午饭的节奏
[03:18] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 拜见妹子壕房壕大神
[03:18] <^k^> 新 其它类软件 • byobu启动问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469359 安装好了byobu后，只能从命令启动，从图标启动会闪退，这是怎么回事啊 zz: lubantu — 2015-04-08 11:18
[03:19] <onlylove> palomino|working: http://www.solidot.org/story?sid=43601
[03:19] <^k^> ⇪ ti: Solidot | LG不小心中提前曝光了苹果的8K iMac
[03:19] <onlylove> palomino|working: 买买买
[03:19] * O0XX|Qiong 饿
[03:19] <ZachWiner> 。。。
[03:20] <ZachWiner> 我买了这个mac都后悔死
[03:20] <jusss`> 通过一个变量去生成多个变量，并且可以通过这个变量去访问所有生成的变量
[03:20] <WhatsGoingOn> ZachWiner: 我买了个mba也后悔死了, 真难用
[03:21] <ZachWiner> WhatsGoingOn 我是后悔买的硬盘太小了－ － 出差用起来还是挺方便的 就是内存太小了
[03:22] <jusss`> 这样只有变量的值类型不会有空格等特殊符号，就可以不用管变量名了
[03:22] <BuMangHuo> 买 mba 是为了给妹子用，妹子用好了，然后你的妹子就好用了，你管她 mba 好用不好用
[03:22] <ZachWiner> － －
[03:23] <ZachWiner> 我用mac把媳妇骗到手
[03:23] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: 万人斩的经验之谈
[03:23] <happyaron> BuMangHuo: 你看别人就没这觉悟
[03:23] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 你买mba装windows给妹子用么
[03:23] <BuMangHuo> ZachWiner: 你是码什么代码的
[03:24] <ZachWiner> 我是外行人
[03:24] <ZachWiner> 不是挨踢的
[03:24] <onlylove> 是挨揍的？
[03:24] <BuMangHuo> 那居然能找到这个地方来
[03:24] <ZachWiner> 我是踢人的
[03:24] <ZachWiner> 没办法
[03:24] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 拜
[03:24] <ZachWiner> 中文频道只有这里还优点烟火
[03:25] <ZachWiner> 其他的都是没人的
[03:25] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: http://news.smzdm.com/p/11711
[03:25] <^k^> WhatsGoingOn: ⇪ 300PPI性价比不错：Kobo Glo HD 电子阅读器 5月上市 售价129.99美元_新品_资讯中心_什么值得买
[03:25] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 14.10 • linux下有甚麼好用的ED2K下載軟體麼 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469360 試過amule，不知道是不是我設置不對，一點速度都沒有 謝謝 zz: 何必當真12 — 2015-04-08 11:25
[03:25] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: 太贵
[03:25] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 这价格良心了
[03:25] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 高分辨率的
[03:25] <ZachWiner> 话说我觉得 会编程的都是大牛
[03:26] <BuMangHuo> 买买买
[03:26] <ZachWiner> 我打算配个台式机 预算在7000左右
[03:26] <ZachWiner> 有没有好点的推荐
[03:26] <BuMangHuo> ZachWiner: 这个频道的核心话题就是 买买买
[03:26] <ZachWiner> BuMangHuo 发现了
[03:26] * O0XX|Qiong #buybuybuy-cn
[03:26] <BuMangHuo> ZachWiner: 你这个问题去电脑城喊一句有一堆人回答你
[03:27] <BuMangHuo> ZachWiner: 在这里就不一定了
[03:27] <ZachWiner> no buy no die
[03:27] <ZachWiner> bumanghuo 电脑城水太深
[03:27] <onlylove> ZachWiner: 7000买台式机？闹呢？
[03:27] <ZachWiner> 组装机啊
[03:27] <ZachWiner> 自己组装
[03:27] <BuMangHuo> ZachWiner: 你在这里待几天你就知道哪里水深了
[03:28] <ZachWiner> 遍地是大哥的节奏
[03:28] <BuMangHuo> 中关村是我在北京遇到的人民第二热情的地方
[03:28] <onlylove> ZachWiner: 没双泰坦32G内存16T硬盘5K显示器好意思叫台式机？
[03:28] <ZachWiner> 。。。
[03:28] <BuMangHuo> 第一热心的地方是昌平的地铁站，超市门口
[03:28] <ZachWiner> onlylove 别闹
[03:28] <ZachWiner> 大首都人民太热情 尤其火车站司机
[03:28] <BuMangHuo> 每遇到一个大哥，都会亲切的建议我“打车走吧"
[03:29] <BuMangHuo> 都很怕我多走一步路
[03:29] <ZachWiner> 是不是昵称里带大写字母的话 你们回复会很麻烦？
[03:29] <ZachWiner> 一个劲切换大小写
[03:29] <palomino|working> ... onlylove
[03:29] <BuMangHuo> ZachWiner: 你该换客户端了
[03:30] <BuMangHuo> palomino|working: 买吧，这是你的菜
[03:30] <ZachWiner> 我的是最新的
[03:30] <ZachWiner> xchat
[03:30] <onlylove> palomino|working: 8K啊，不然对不起你的显卡啊
[03:30] <palomino|working> 我的显卡对付4k还行
[03:30] <palomino|working> 5k就够呛了
[03:30] <palomino|working> 8k就别想了..
[03:30] <BuMangHuo> palomino|working: 然后升级显卡啊
[03:31] <onlylove> palomino|working: 给NV那黄啥啥打电话，开发新显卡，赶紧的
[03:31] <palomino|working> 没有可升级的了啊
[03:31] <ZachWiner> BuMangHuo 莫非你回复我不用打名字？不用切换大小写？
[03:31] * BuMangHuo 拜真-壕 palomino|working
[03:31] <palomino|working> ...
[03:31] <BuMangHuo> 显卡已经升级到没法儿升了... 这境界
[03:31] <onlylove> ZachWiner: 确实不用切
[03:32] <palomino|working> 自从换了titan x,那个关机黑屏bug又回来了 onlylove
[03:32] <BuMangHuo> ZachWiner: z TAB
[03:32] <onlylove> palomino|working: 驱动？
[03:32] <jusss`> WhatsGoingOn: 大神，教教我怎么写echo ${$a}
[03:32] <palomino|working> maybe onlylove
[03:32] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss`: 懒得试了
[03:32] <palomino|working> 同样驱动换成titan就没事
[03:32] <ZachWiner> BuMangHuo 你要是用过苹果电脑的输入法你就知道有多蛋疼了
[03:32] <palomino|working> 但这个驱动已经是最新了
[03:32] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss`: 我不会bash.
[03:32] <onlylove> palomino|working: dell那边怎么说
[03:32] <palomino|working> dell不理我
[03:33] <ZachWiner> bumanghuo tab 不是切换大小写的 而是切换中英文的
[03:33] <palomino|working> dell给我的显示器后面的服务码在它网站上找不到
[03:33] <ZachWiner> 吃饭吃饭
[03:33] <palomino|working> 打电话有个技术支持给我发了个邮件
[03:33] <palomino|working> 回邮件后没反应了
[03:33] <BuMangHuo> ....
[03:33] <ZachWiner> ／notice 吃饭
[03:33] <onlylove> palomino|working: 我觉得其实是dell的问题，但是它不爱管，所以nv在驱动里做了workaround
[03:33] <palomino|working> dell也不是不管
[03:34] <palomino|working> dell官方的人员回答说,可以换个用过的显示器
[03:34] <BuMangHuo> 戴尔的那个金牌客服很热心啊
[03:34] <onlylove> 不爱管和不管是两码事
[03:34] <palomino|working> 凡是用过的固件都升级了
[03:34] <palomino|working> 但是它不会开放给个人刷固件
[03:34] <palomino|working> 只能走返修
[03:34] * O0XX|Qiong 饿
[03:34] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 热心你妹，我在TI的时候我司是dell的VIP，笔记本剩下尸体都给换，但是打电话爱答不理的
[03:35] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss`: echo ${!a}
[03:35] <palomino|working> lol onlylove
[03:35] <BuMangHuo> 哦，不对，是苹果的客服热心，我买错了一次 app 退了一次款，那个客服一个劲的给我发邮件，直到我回复说问题解决了丫才罢休
[03:35] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss`: bash里面这么写. zsh里面不能这么写, 要转义
[03:35] <palomino|working> 实在不行只能那啥,买个5k的 onlylove
[03:35] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: 打分: http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw690/62b36a77jw1eqi4saylasj20qo0zkaig.jpg
[03:36] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: ^^^
[03:36] <palomino|working> 然后4k那个拿公司用来
[03:36] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 最多6分.
[03:36] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 看不到啊
[03:36] <onlylove> palomino|working: 你要把台式机带店里测试过再买
[03:36] <O0XX|Qiong> palomino|working: 破马叔, 打分 http://ww1.sinaimg.cn/mw690/62b36a77jw1eqi4saylasj20qo0zkaig.jpg
[03:37] <palomino|working> 网上买的 onlylove
[03:37] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 谁的，大口罩，还过曝了，腰腿都看不见，咋打分嘛
[03:37] <palomino|working> who? O0XX|Qiong
[03:37] <onlylove> O0XX|Qiong: 曝光过度，差评
[03:37] <BuMangHuo> 不过看羽绒服，得有 B+
[03:37] <BuMangHuo> ?
[03:37] * O0XX|Qiong 哎...你们这群人...
[03:38] <palomino|working> 是考验看的颜色么
[03:38] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 最多B
[03:38] <palomino|working> 类似上回那个裙子
[03:38] <onlylove> palomino|working: 那裙子，据说是蓝黑款，没白金的
[03:39] <palomino|working> 是
[03:39] <palomino|working> 但后来那公司特制了一件白金的
[03:39] <palomino|working> 给拍卖了
[03:39] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 确实是过曝太厉害了
[03:39] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 真没过曝..这姐姐巨白..
[03:40] <onlylove> O0XX|Qiong: 骗鬼呢
[03:40] <HowIsItGoing> BuMangHuo: 潭柘寺好骑，路上也有花看，130走八高无聊到爆
[03:40] <palomino|working> 后面那墙都白到看不见了还不过曝啊...
[03:40] <onlylove> O0XX|Qiong: 这边一堆玩过摄影的，什么是过度曝光什么是白还是分得清的
[03:41] * O0XX|Qiong 好吧...
[03:41] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 其实我要说的是，这个头发，很容易压到啊
[03:41] * BuMangHuo 特别败兴的一句话: "压我头发了"
[03:42] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 赞经验之谈
[03:42] <HowIsItGoing> BuMangHuo: 万人斩很有经验
[03:42] <O0XX|Qiong> onlylove: palomino|working WhatsGoingOn HowIsItGoing 你们好好学学
[03:42] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 不用学了
[03:42] <BuMangHuo> 真的哎，这种头发真的很容易压
[03:42] * BuMangHuo 所以喜欢短发妹子哇
[03:42] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 蠢，从后面
[03:43] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 我现在超喜欢 Robynn 和 Kendy这个组合
[03:44] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 或者让她在上面
[03:44] <BuMangHuo> onlylove: .. 个人爱好而已
[03:44] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 你丫的真有千人斩的经验？假的吧
[03:44] <palomino|working> 所以我让我老婆剪短发了! BuMangHuo
[03:45] <BuMangHuo> palomino|working: 握手
[03:45] <BuMangHuo> onlylove: 当然是假的
[03:45] <onlylove> palomino|working: 从妹子变老婆了？
[03:45] <palomino|working> 其实是万人... onlylove
[03:45] <palomino|working> sure onlylove
[03:45] <onlylove> palomino|working: 果然这时代有钱就好……
[03:46] <onlylove> 才多久啊
[03:47] <O0XX|Qiong> http://nan.so/ 这个不错诶
[03:47] <^k^> ⇪ ti: 南搜 nan.so - 让Google搜索更简单
[03:47] <onlylove> palomino|working: 其实这事你俩可以商量研究workaround
[03:48] <onlylove> http://www.solidot.org/story?sid=43615
[03:48] <^k^> ⇪ ti: Solidot | Windows 10之后的版本代号Redstone，将在2016年发布
[03:49] <onlylove> 我等windows和猫猫一样，升级要钱的时候弄一个去，反正我不升级，越升级越卡
[03:49] <onlylove> http://www.solidot.org/story?sid=43616
[03:49] <^k^> ⇪ ti: Solidot | 新铝电池能在60秒内充满电
[03:50] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove: 猫猫升级要钱?
[03:52] * onlylove_ 拜万人斩 BuMangHuo
[03:52] <BuMangHuo> ..
[03:53] <onlylove_> BuMangHuo: 别点点，找土豪马去
[03:54] <palomino|working> .....
[03:54] * O0XX|Qiong 饿
[03:57] <jusss`> WhatsGoingOn: !a是啥意思？
[03:58] <fqx> part
[03:58] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss`: 我刚才给你的链接都写了啊
[03:58] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss`: 不是让你去看了吗?
[03:59] <GODDOG> 中午好
[03:59] <nyfair> 新版flash好棒，无缝贴图+模型骨骼绑定，比大部分开源游戏引擎都好用
[04:00] <nyfair> html5怎么还没死
[04:00] * O0XX|Qiong 饿
[04:00] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 吃吃吃
[04:00] <nyfair> 傻叉html5这么多年了，连个显卡加速还都是半成品
[04:00] * BuMangHuo 今天测试发现，把油条放凉了再吃明显比热的时候吃容易填饱肚子
[04:00] <palomino|working> ...
[04:01] <nyfair> BuMangHuo: 牛牛
[04:01] <BuMangHuo> nyfair: momo
[04:01] <GODDOG> BuMangHuo: 世纪大发现
[04:01] <onlylove> nyfair: html6出来，5就死了
[04:01] <nyfair> BuMangHuo: 冷油条不好吃啊
[04:02] <nyfair> onlylove: 6是准备扔了js，html单干？
[04:02] <onlylove> nyfair: 鬼知道
[04:02] <BuMangHuo> nyfair: 嗯，今天不小心放时间长了才发现特别容易饱，但是味道不好
[04:02] <hoxily> jusss`: jussss , 在哪儿上班呐，现在？
[04:02] <nyfair> onlylove: 最近玩了个flash小黄油，尼玛太赞了
[04:02] <palomino|working> 额..把linux系统从硬盘迁移到ssd有什么简单易行的方法么
[04:03] <BuMangHuo> palomino|working: SSD 壕
[04:03] <palomino|working> ...
[04:03] <palomino|working> 只是试图利用一下闲置的资源罢了
[04:04] <onlylove> palomino|working: tar打包丢过去
[04:05] <nyfair> gcc5你们看好么？
[04:05] <onlylove> nyfair: 等出来再说吧
[04:06] <onlylove> nyfair: 对我来说，能用就好
[04:06] <GODDOG> nyfair: 无论出到几 OSX 上也只有 llvm 用
[04:06] <nyfair> onlylove: 4.9已经恶心到我了，现在我只信msvc
[04:06] <nyfair> 巨硬大法好
[04:07] <onlylove> nyfair: 要不是一堆windows独有的应用，我真觉不出windows和linux的区别，所以对我来说llvm和gcc应该差不多
[04:08] <sennn> 試用了一下ubuntu-next 15.04 感覺不錯!
[04:08] <nyfair> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2015/03/ruby-support-in-firefox-developer-edition-38/
[04:08] <nyfair> 说起来，mozilla这功能居然还不是正式功能？
[04:08] <^k^> ⇪ ti: Ruby support in Firefox Developer Edition 38 ✩ Mozilla Hacks – the Web developer blog
[04:09] <nyfair> 我记得ie6都有这功能啊
[04:09] <nyfair> firefox38 beta才加进来也好意思？
[04:15] <WhatsGoingOn> nyfair: c++编译器的话, 只有msvc好用.
[04:15] <WhatsGoingOn> nyfair: gcc5不是重点, 重点是libstdc++, 标准库一堆bug怎么玩.
[04:16] <WhatsGoingOn> ✩ <- 这个符号不错诶
[04:16] <happyaron> WhatsGoingOn: 换 clang++ / libc++ 吧
[04:16] <happyaron> WhatsGoingOn: Debian 正在试验性地折腾
[04:17] <happyaron> WhatsGoingOn: 没有切换的预期，但正在折腾全仓库 llvm toolchain 的事情
[04:17] <WhatsGoingOn> happyaron: 昂, libc++的regex库起码没bug. 别的不知道.
[04:17] <happyaron> lol
[04:17] <WhatsGoingOn> happyaron: 也不是没bug, 但是没我遇到的那个bug...
[04:17] <happyaron> cherrot: 拜见首壕萌萌哒妹子壕
[04:17] <HowIsItGoing> WhatsGoingOn: happyaron O0XX|Qiong fesco太搓了，工资单里面还有拼错的单词
[04:18] <WhatsGoingOn> HowIsItGoing: 只要工资没发错就行
[04:18] <cherrot> happyaron, 拜美帝首壕
[04:18] <happyaron> eexpss: ee，那个配置文件好像是 $HOME/.config/SogouPY/MoHuYin.ini
[04:18] <happyaron> cherrot: 我是不没在美帝的苦逼一只而已
[04:19] <happyaron> eexpss: 刚刚已经提测新版，上线时这个bug就fix了
[04:21] <ZachWiner> 还唠呢
[04:21] <ZachWiner> 我饭都吃完了
[04:21] <happyaron> ZachWiner: 我也是吃完回来唠两句
[04:21] <ZachWiner> happyaron 苦逼的xchat
[04:21] <ZachWiner> 真难用
[04:22] <cherrot> ZachWiner, hexchat
[04:22] <happyaron> ZachWiner: irssi
[04:22] <ZachWiner> 我这mac似乎只能用这个
[04:22] <happyaron> ZachWiner: brew install irssi
[04:22] <GODDOG> ZachWiner: irssi 负责人的告诉你
[04:23] <ZachWiner> 什么
[04:23] <nyfair> happyaron: 你少忽悠我，gcc在windows上至少还能用用，clang搞个hello world都能给你出bug
[04:23] <GODDOG> 今天是 git 十周年去看看 git 频道怎么样
[04:23] <GODDOG> ZachWiner IRC 客户端啊 你不是抱怨 xchat 难用么
[04:23] <ZachWiner> xchat和mango irc 哪个好用
[04:24] <cherrot> ZachWiner, 我也用的 xchat_azure
[04:24] <ZachWiner> Mac上没有irc客户端
[04:24] <happyaron> nyfair: 我觉得在windows上用gcc也是醉了
[04:24] <nyfair> 说起来，除了github这网站，git本身没啥优势吧
[04:24] <happyaron> nyfair: 不还是要mingw
[04:24] <happyaron> nyfair: 直接用gcc貌似也不好用啊
[04:24] <sennn> 什麼時候irc能發語音就好了
[04:24] <nyfair> happyaron: mingw gcc就不是gcc了？
[04:24] <GODDOG> ZachWiner: 有的啊 有图形的 也有命令行的
[04:24] <happyaron> nyfair: 又不是原装的
[04:24] <nyfair> happyaron: cygwin gcc就不是gcc了？
[04:24] <cherrot> nyfair, git 好用的很啊
[04:24] <ZachWiner> app里面没有
[04:24] <cherrot> happyaron, 我来试试osx下的 irssi
[04:24] <nyfair> happyaron: 怎么不是原装的了？
[04:25] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 买了个白菜钥匙包，还不如钥匙扣好用
[04:25] <ZachWiner> GODDOG 只有xchat和mango irc
[04:25] <kandu> nyfair: 用的人多，跟人合作还得用啊
[04:25] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: ... ...
[04:25] <sennn> OSX 就是廢品
[04:25] <ZachWiner> － －
[04:25] <kandu> nyfair: 自己项目自然不用 git
[04:26] <happyaron> kandu: 自己项目一般用啥
[04:26] <sennn> OSX 連java8都安不上
[04:26] <sennn> 只能用java6
[04:27] <TwitchGG> 说MAC只能用java6的你出来我保证不打死你
[04:27] <sennn> 我說的
[04:27] <sennn> 怎地
[04:28] <TwitchGG> 哦，我不打死你
[04:28] <GODDOG> ZachWiner: limechat 日本人出的 好看好用
[04:28] <nyfair> 我知道git好用啊，我自己也用，但是我想说其他的也没不好用啊
[04:28] <GODDOG> sennn OSX 别这样 他有个好的壳子
[04:29] <ZachWiner> GODDOG 你在用么
[04:29] <nyfair> 我只是觉得github这网站起了很大作用
[04:29] <GODDOG> ZachWiner: 我喜欢命令行 。。。
[04:29] <sennn> OSX 是裝逼神器
[04:29] <TwitchGG> TwitchGG@TWITCHGG-MBP:opt$ java -version
[04:29] <TwitchGG> java version "1.7.0_21"
[04:29] <TwitchGG> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.7.0_21-b12)
[04:29] <TwitchGG> Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.21-b01, mixed mode)
[04:29] <kandu> happyaron: 不用。或者 hg
[04:29] <GODDOG> ZachWiner: 以前用过 可以自动载入图片
[04:29] <ZachWiner> GODDOG 我试试
[04:30] <jussss> WhatsGoingOn: 那篇文章里没说!的作用是什么呀？是消除双引号还是把变量的值看作变量
[04:30] <GODDOG> sennn: java version "1.8.0_05"
[04:30] <sennn> 哦
[04:30] <happyaron> kandu: hg 本地commit速度慢，有点不爽
[04:31] <GODDOG> sennn: 我就能安装上 java8
[04:31] <TwitchGG> sennn: Mac OS X x64 221.91 MB jdk-8u40-macosx-x64.dmg
[04:31] <nyfair> limechat太大了啊，miranda才700k，还能支持其他的
[04:31] <kandu> happyaron: 扩展性好 https://code.facebook.com/posts/218678814984400/scaling-mercurial-at-facebook/
[04:31] <sennn> 能裝但不能用
[04:31] <^k^> ⇪ ti: 取标题 Failed to open TCP connection to code.facebook.com:443 (Connection refused - connect(2) for "code.facebook.com" port 443)
[04:32] <sennn> 蘋果現在只維護 java6
[04:32] <ZachWiner> 我上来了
[04:32] <ZachWine_> w我去
[04:32] <ZachWiner> 一个是xchat 一个是limechat
[04:32] <sennn> 重複 蘋果現在只維護java6
[04:33] <GODDOG> nyfair: 主要是 limechat 挺好看的 我比较喜欢半透明效果
[04:33] <ZachWiner> 不知道怎么调
[04:33] <happyaron> kandu: 额没到这些高级功能，所以可能赶脚不出来
[04:34] <GODDOG> sennn 没用过 java8的新语法 没有感觉
[04:34] <sennn> 當年蘋果如果收購 beos 就好了
[04:34] <ZachWine_> 很神奇啊
[04:34] <ZachWine_> limechat 这个界面真的挺蛋疼的
[04:34] <ZachWine_> GODDOG 我的是黑色的
[04:35] <sennn> 喬布斯個廢品
[04:35] <leemeng0x61> irssi
[04:35] <ZachWiner> 哎 只有2兆
[04:35] <ZachWiner> 真小
[04:36] <GODDOG> ZachWine_: 可以调整的 调好的界面还是挺不错的
[04:36] <ZachWine_> 我现在俩账户 怎么不回冲突么
[04:36] <GODDOG> ZachWine_: 你没发现现在这个名字后多加了一个下划线？
[04:36] <ZachWine_> @GODDOG
[04:37] <ZachWine_> 是哦 不过这两个客户端 操作方法一样么
[04:37] <GODDOG> ZachWine_: limechat 支持许多鼠标操作 所以最好小心
[04:37] <tryit> onlylove, 不了解
[04:37] <ZachWine_> 什么意思
[04:37] <GODDOG> ZachWine_ 哎 irc 中的所有命令都可以用 至于客户端自己的操作 慢慢摸索咯
[04:38] <ZachWine_> 好吧
[04:38] <ZachWine_> ／msg GODDOG -- -
[04:39] <ZachWine_> 你妹的 不会回复了
[04:39] <GODDOG> ZachWine_: 你的字符是中文字符
[04:39] <GODDOG> 标点
[04:39] <BuMangHuo> ZachWine_: 研究也没用，这里基本都是男的
[04:40] <GODDOG> BuMangHuo lol
[04:40] <ZachWine_> 没显示了
[04:40] <ZachWine_> 我要的是在这里吗显示啊
[04:40] <ZachWine_> 不是单独窗口
[04:41] <ZachWine_> GODDOG 郁闷了
[04:41] <GODDOG> 那你直接输出我的 nickname 加冒号就行了
[04:41] <onlylove> tryit: 我昨天发现的，拨号有ndis和ras两种模式
[04:41] <ZachWine_> GODDOG: 0 0
[04:41] <ZachWiner> GODDOG 还是这个方便
[04:42] <onlylove> tryit: 专门想起来问你，俩模式有啥区别，哪个稳定性好点
[04:42] <tryit> onlylove, 一年之后应该会知道答案，目前不清楚 :D
[04:42] <onlylove> tryit: 你是说一年之后，你知道答案么
[04:42] <BuMangHuo> 现在哪家转运靠谱点儿
[04:42] <onlylove> tryit: 你不是搞网络堆栈的么
[04:42] <GODDOG> ZachWiner: limechat一秒让 irc 变 QQ 群
[04:42] <tryit> onlylove, 我？我是专业打酱油的，
[04:43] <ZachWiner> 晕了
[04:43] <tryit> onlylove, 不信你问 WhatsGoingOn
[04:43] <ZachWiner> goddog 这样不合适
[04:43] <GODDOG> ZachWiner 我最中意的是它的自动载入图片功能 lol
[04:44] <ZachWiner> GODDOG 我几乎用不到这个功能
[04:44] <ZachWiner> 我打字就行
[04:46] <eexpss> happyaron: 这文件试过，一修改配置，立刻就被覆盖了。
[04:46] <GODDOG> ZachWiner: Xchat 不免费吧 记得好像是
[04:46] <happyaron> eexpss: 是的……
[04:46] <happyaron> eexpss: 等下发你个包
[04:46] <eexpss> 晕，那不叫修复嘛。
[04:46] <eexpss> 发邮箱吧
[04:46] <ZachWiner> GODDOG 免费啊 我这个就是免费的 appstore里的
[04:46] <happyaron> eexpss: 本来就是个workaround
[04:46] <eexpss> 家里的本本需要
[04:46] <eexpss> 好吧
[04:48] <GODDOG> ZachWiner: 哦 那还不错哦
[04:48] <ZachWiner> GODDOG 就是我这个和网上的一些教程上的xchat 不太一样
[04:49] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 奇形的塑像 : 在西方某城市,有人走进博物馆,目不转眼地瞅着一尊奇形怪状的将军塑像,百思不得其解,便问博物馆职员:"这位将军的塑像姿势怎么这样怪?"职员回答:"是的。当塑到一半时,塑像委员会突然发现,经费被人贪污,所以,他的胯下便再没有塑马了。"
[04:49] <GODDOG> ZachWiner Ubuntu 中文网的教程就不错哦
[04:50] <ZachWiner> en
[04:53] <ZachWiner> 掉了
[04:54] <ZachWiner> 也不稳定啊 网络
[04:54] <ZachWiner> 哇 绿色
[04:55] * IsoaSFlus 中午好
[04:56] <sennn> 你好
[04:57] <ZachWiner> 这个星号是谁啊
[04:57] <ZachWiner> 名字不是必须英文的么
[04:59] <leemeng0x61> hah
[05:00] <leemeng0x61> <color #333333>hahah</color>
[05:01] <leemeng0x61> [34hshh
[05:01] <leemeng0x61> 34[xxx
[05:01] <nyfair> ZachWiner: 谁说的，必须英文只是freenode这个资本主义走狗的问题，你换个中日韩的irc server都没这问题
[05:01] <nyfair> 无聊无聊
[05:01] <ZachWiner> 貌似我只知道freenode这个频道
[05:03] <^k^> 新 Debian发行版 • 「求助」：x230笔记本debian7安装无线驱动遇到问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469361 笔记本X230i用U盘安装debian(Debian GNU/Linux 7.0.0 "Wheezy" - Official i386 xfce-CD Binary-1)，安装过程显示无法使用wifi，于是我是用路由器有线安装的; 装好系统后，我想使用wifi;于是查看了下wik
[05:03] <^k^> ─> i百科（https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22），找到了适用我电脑的无线网卡驱动 …
[05:05] <freeflying> happyaron: 有啥便宜的全网通手机
[05:05] <happyaron> freeflying: 中兴nubia
[05:05] <^k^> 新 Debian发行版 • 「求助」：x230笔记本debian7安装无线驱动遇到问题 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469362 笔记本X230i用U盘安装debian(Debian GNU/Linux 7.0.0 "Wheezy" - Official i386 xfce-CD Binary-1)，安装过程显示无法使用wifi，于是我是用路由器有线安装的; 装好系统后，我想使用wifi;于是查看了下wik
[05:05] <^k^> ─> i百科（https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#Debian_7_.22Wheezy.22），找到了适用我电脑的无线网卡驱动 …
[05:08] <ZachWiner> free flying iphone
[05:08] <ZachWiner> 6
[05:08] <ZachWiner> freeflying iphone
[05:09] <sennn> 鄙視蘋果
[05:10] <sennn> 全球iphone份額下降,唯獨中國增加
[05:10] <nyfair> sennn: 我左裤衩一个苹果，右裤衩一个安婊，你有话要说吗
[05:11] <sennn> 有
[05:11] <nyfair> sennn: 愿闻其详
[05:11] <palomino|working> 为何没有wp...
[05:11] <sennn> 小偷又想你了
[05:11] <nyfair> palomino|working: 巨硬老实滚去pc上
[05:12] <palomino|working> >_<
[05:12] <palomino|working> wait..
[05:12] <palomino|working> 你穿了俩裤衩...
[05:12] <sennn> 人家明明是微硬
[05:12] <sennn> ....
[05:12] <nyfair> palomino|working: 不要吐槽你不该吐槽的地方
[05:12] <palomino|working> 不吐不快啊..
[05:13] <sennn> 對啊,穿跑偏了
[05:13] <sennn> ?
[05:13] <onlylove_> palomino|working: 神吐槽
[05:13] <nyfair> http://www.xiusecai.com/Brand_Categories/HomeDaily/12011E50201416950.shtml
[05:13] <^k^> nyfair: ⇪ Ultrahard官网_Ultrahard官方网站
[05:13] <onlylove_> palomino|working: 我刚想说
[05:13] * palomino|working momo onlylove_
[05:14] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: http://product.suning.com/125477495.html
[05:14] <^k^> O0XX|Qiong: ⇪ 【索尼(SONY)手机存储卡】SONY 索尼 手机内存卡 16G TF卡 SR-16UY CLASS10 micro SD 高速存储卡 平板音箱卡【价格 图片 品牌 报价】-苏宁易购 pp: ¥
[05:14] <sennn> 不要做廣告
[05:14] <ZachWiner> jiushi
[05:14] * roylez_ (#‵′)凸 palomino|working
[05:14] * roylez_ (#‵′)凸 palomino|working
[05:14] <ZachWiner> 就是
[05:14] * roylez_ (#‵′)凸 palomino|working
[05:14] <sennn> 違者斬
[05:14] * roylez_ (#‵′)凸 palomino|working
[05:14] * roylez_ (#‵′)凸 palomino|working
[05:15] <nyfair> 索尼大法好，xbox灭退保
[05:15] * palomino|working slaps roylez_
[05:15] <sennn> 頂希特勒
[05:15] <nyfair> 索尼罪恶滔天，百姓怨声载道
[05:15] <ZachWiner> 卧槽 我买个xbox one 花了4700
[05:15] <sennn> 冤了
[05:16] <ZachWiner> 我也觉得
[05:16] <ZachWiner> 而且特么 现在一共就10个游戏
[05:16] <ZachWiner> 坑爹
[05:16] <ZachWiner> 微软就没出别的游戏呢
[05:16] <sennn> halo系列
[05:16] <nyfair> 帝国时代2！
[05:16] <nyfair> Minecraft
[05:16] <ZachWiner> 真心没有
[05:16] <nyfair> 搞笑的事minecraft是java写的
[05:17] <sennn> 我在玩魂鬥羅三d版
[05:17] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: http://product.suning.com/104887364.html
[05:17] <ZachWiner> 现在Xbox one 只有10个游戏
[05:17] <ZachWiner> 我好想玩魂斗罗
[05:17] <^k^> O0XX|Qiong: ⇪ 【创见(TRANSCEND)存储卡】创见(Transcend)32G(UHS-I300X)高速存储卡(MicroSD)【价格 图片 品牌 报价】-苏宁易购 pp: ¥
[05:17] <sennn> 又做廣告
[05:18] <sennn> 斬
[05:18] <nyfair> 踢了踢了
[05:18] <ZachWiner> 就是就是
[05:18] <ZachWiner> 改名字怎么改来这
[05:18] <ZachWiner> 那个指令
[05:18] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 这价格划算？
[05:18] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 不划算?
[05:19] <sennn> 切
[05:19] <nyfair> cute is magic, niconico poi
[05:20] <WhatsGoingOn> ZachWiner: /nick kicksennn
[05:21] <sennn> 什麼?
[05:21] <ZachWiner> WhatsGoingOn 我这个邮箱注册过的也可以改么
[05:21] <WhatsGoingOn> ZachWiner: 不能.
[05:21] <ZachWiner> 可是每次登陆也没输入密码什么的啊
[05:22] <ZachWiner> 这是为何
[05:22] <palomino|working> 因为你没注册吧
[05:22] <ZachWiner> 注册了
[05:22] <ZachWiner> 邮箱都验证了
[05:22] <palomino|working> :o
[05:22] <ZachWiner> 这是怎么回事
[05:23] <ZachWiner> 而且xchat也没有输入密码的地方啊
[05:23] <nyfair> 用limechat
[05:23] <ZachWiner> 。。
[05:23] <jackness_> onlylove
[05:23] <jackness_> 你跑什么啊
[05:23] <jackness_> 还想找你聊天呢
[05:24] <ZachWiner> 我改不了名字了 ／哭
[05:24] <ZachWiner> 😢
[05:24] <palomino|working> ....
[05:24] <palomino|working> 密码要/ns identify xxxx
[05:24] <palomino|working> xchat的服务器设置里好像有密码的地方吧
[05:25] <ZachWiner> ／ns identify
[05:25] <palomino|working> ...
[05:25] <palomino|working> 你的/是全角的
[05:25] <palomino|working> 需要半角的
[05:25] <ZachWiner> 我现在昵称没法改了吧
[05:25] <palomino|working> 能啊
[05:25] <palomino|working> /nick xxxx
[05:28] <Z^C> 哇塞
[05:28] <Z^C> 可以了
[05:29] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: http://item.yixun.com/item-2180984.html?YTAG=3.21012030
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[05:29] <iotouch> hi
[05:29] <iotouch> 有 minecraft 免费的可玩嘛
[05:30] <iotouch> 私服的
[05:30] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: http://item.yixun.com/item-1989075.html?YTAG=3.21012000
[05:30] <alvin_rxg> Title: 【十铨（Team）】TF十铨科技(Team)32GB Class10 TF(micro SD)存储卡(TUSDH32GCL1002)【价格_报价_图片_行情】-易迅网 (@ yixun.com)
[05:32] <iotouch> zxc hi
[05:32] <ZXC> hi
[05:34] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 怎么设置让行号跟第一列别离的那么近啊 emacs
[05:34] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 没试过.
[05:34] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 不过离得很远啊默认
[05:35] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/2547411
[05:35] <alvin_rxg> Title: Ubuntu Paste (@ ubuntu.org.cn)
[05:35] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 酱
[05:35] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: http://picpaste.com/upload.php
[05:35] <alvin_rxg> Title: PicPaste - public beta v5! (@ picpaste.com)
[05:35] <ZXC> 改了名字
[05:35] <ZXC> 哎嘛
[05:35] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: http://picpaste.com/Selection_003-6gdosWIk.png
[05:35] <alvin_rxg> Title: PicPaste - Selection_003-6gdosWIk.png (@ picpaste.com)
[05:35] <gfxmode> palomino|working: dd
[05:36] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 对对对，就那个竖线，哪里还的
[05:36] <BuMangHuo> 哪里来的
[05:36] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 不过你的字体终于正常了点儿啊
[05:36] <ZxC> This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.
[05:36] <ZxC> 这句话啥意思
[05:37] <palomino|working> dd不行吧,ssd比hd小 gfxmode
[05:37] <ZxC> 谁帮忙翻译下
[05:37] <palomino|working> 意思是这个昵称注册过了
[05:37] <palomino|working> 要么换个昵称
[05:37] <palomino|working> 要么/ns identify
[05:37] <ZxC> 可是已经变成了啊
[05:37] <ZxC> 你看
[05:37] <BuMangHuo> 还真有人工翻译哎
[05:37] <palomino|working> 活雷锋
[05:37] <BuMangHuo> 别人登录了你就不能用了
[05:37] <palomino|working> 看服务器设置
[05:37] <freeflying> palomino|working: 奢靡马
[05:37] <ZxC> 哦
[05:37] <palomino|working> 有的服务器会把你强制改名
[05:38] * palomino|working momo 侯总
[05:38] <ZXC> 什么情况
[05:39] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 我继续找雷锋提 issue 去
[05:39] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 雷锋是谁?
[05:39] <onlylove__> palomino|working: 还原到sdd上，然后chroot下，修改下fstab什么的，还有，装下grub？如果需要
[05:39] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 我抄配置的那哥们啊，特别热心
[05:39] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 你用的是啥插件来显示的行号?
[05:39] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 提了 issue 10 分钟上线解答问题
[05:39] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: linmu+?
[05:39] <BuMangHuo> 应该是
[05:39] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 昂, 给link看看?
[05:39] <Z^C> 这个名字可以的
[05:39] <WhatsGoingOn> linum+
[05:39] <Z^C> 没提示
[05:40] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 反正我关行号是这么关的 (global-linum-mode 0)
[05:40] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: https://github.com/redguardtoo/emacs.d
[05:40] <alvin_rxg> Title: *HTTPS* redguardtoo/emacs.d · GitHub (@ github.com)
[05:40] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 那应该一样
[05:40] <palomino|working> 额..我研究研究 onlylove_
[05:41] * yegle 过来学习观摩
[05:41] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 这哥们挺热心的，身在袋鼠国，心系祖国 emacs 用户
[05:42] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 赞!
[05:42] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: http://item.yixun.com/item-1993525.html?YTAG=3.707539212010
[05:42] <alvin_rxg> Title: 【创见（Transcend）】microSDHC（TF） Class 10 UHS-I 300x创见（Transcend）MicroSDHC（TF）UHS-I 300X 32G 存储卡 45M/s【价格_报价_图片_行情】-易迅网 (@ yixun.com)
[05:42] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 这个如何?
[05:42] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: http://item.yixun.com/item-1993525.html?YTAG=3.707539212010
[05:43] <BuMangHuo> 创建的 U 盘是我用过的靠谱的
[05:43] <BuMangHuo> 至少没动不动不识别
[05:43] <BuMangHuo> 所以一直对创见比较有好感
[05:44] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 手机里面用？
[05:44] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 树莓派
[05:44] <BuMangHuo> 哟，壕啊，树莓新版本都开始用 micro sd 了啊，赞
[05:44] <Z^C> ..
[05:45] <Z^C> 你妹的 提示我这个昵称不对
[05:45] <Z^C> 坑啊
[05:45] <BuMangHuo> 之前的那个版本 SD 卡放进去冒出来半个头
[05:45] <gfxmode> palomino|working: 嗯，那可以用tar或bsdtar
[05:46] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 贵司报销树莓派？
[05:49] * HowIsItGoing 擦，WL版真没法看了，难怪只有 adam这样的才能进
[05:49] <nyfair> WL是啥？
[05:49] <HowIsItGoing> BuMangHuo: 淘宝有tf卡卡套，mmc那么大，塞进老树莓派刚好
[05:50] <HowIsItGoing> nyfair: worklife
[05:50] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 就是给公司买的啊
[05:50] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 壕
[05:50] <HowIsItGoing> O0XX|Qiong: 乃们玩儿上树莓派了？
[05:51] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 我知道这个人, 叫陈什么的
[05:51] <HowIsItGoing> yegle: "呵呵"
[05:51] <nyfair> http://www.newsmth.net/nForum/#!article/WorkLife/877239
[05:51] <alvin_rxg> Title: 水木社区-源于清华的高知社群 (@ newsmth.net)
[05:51] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 昂
[05:51] <nyfair> 。。。
[05:51] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 明白了，我用的是 emacs -nw
[05:51] <HowIsItGoing> nyfair: 进版门槛500k
[05:52] <nyfair> HowIsItGoing: adam菊苣一天20w，你怕不怕
[05:52] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: -nw是啥?
[05:52] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 没有 x 的 emacs
[05:52] <Z^C> = =
[05:52] <HowIsItGoing> nyfair: 丫是土壕啊
[05:52] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 干嘛不要x....
[05:53] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 搞不好中文字体
[05:53] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 那个人叫陈斌, 自称是vim和emacs高手, 于是vim用户就没办法跟他喷了. 因为他会说, 我两个都会, 然后觉得emacs好.
[05:53] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 对齐特别要命
[05:53] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: lol
[05:54] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 他的配置确实不错，至少是我抄来的地一个 clone 下来 0 修改就能用的配置
[05:54] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: -nw之后就没有popup/tooltips overlay用了...
[05:54] <jusss`> BuMangHuo: 好像用-1
[05:54] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 有的
[05:54] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 有?
[05:54] <jusss`> 以前好像是nil t
[05:55] <jusss`> 后来不知怎么了就把nil换-1了
[05:55] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: popup 有
[05:55] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 昂...
[05:55] <jusss`> 难道是因为nil也可以是空列表'()就把nil给换了？
[05:56] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: http://picpaste.com/upload.php
[05:56] <alvin_rxg> Title: PicPaste - public beta v5! (@ picpaste.com)
[05:56] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 你给我的链接...
[05:56] <jusss`> WhatsGoingOn: 我还是不明白${!x}是啥意思
[05:56] <BuMangHuo> http://picpaste.com/scrot-FyT7koLZ.png
[05:56] <alvin_rxg> Title: PicPaste - scrot-FyT7koLZ.png (@ picpaste.com)
[05:56] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss: 不明白算了
[05:56] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 但是, company还能用吗?
[05:57] <jusss`> WhatsGoingOn: 大神，别这样呀
[05:57] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: ^^ 这网站贴了之后不会自动跳过去啊
[05:57] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 可以
[05:57] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 我-nw之后就没了.
[05:57] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 是啊, 不会自动跳过去, 垃圾网站
[05:59] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: http://picpaste.com/scrot-rwvvd7XS.png
[05:59] <alvin_rxg> Title: PicPaste - scrot-rwvvd7XS.png (@ picpaste.com)
[05:59] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 诶, 我这里没有了诶
[05:59] <BuMangHuo> 不懂哇
[06:00] <WhatsGoingOn> bu
[06:00] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 不管了, 反正我只用x的
[06:00] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 不用 x 唯一的好处就是不需要管字体
[06:00] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 昂..
[06:00] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: x的emacs不流畅
[06:00] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 错了, tty的emacs不流畅
[06:00] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 用起来跟vim似的, 卡卡的
[06:01] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: x的emacs流畅很
[06:01] <BuMangHuo> ... 这是黑 vim 么
[06:01] <onlylove_> vim卡卡的？有人在刷我三观诶
[06:01] <BuMangHuo> onlylove_: 有机会就黑嘛
[06:01] <onlylove_> 我顶着800延迟ssh都没卡，有人开X居然卡？
[06:02] <onlylove_> vim按键难用是真的
[06:02] <BuMangHuo> 这个贴图网站上传的图片可以删掉，这个赞
[06:02] <QiongMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: WhatsGoingOn 不用"北京分公司"么
[06:02] <onlylove_> 说卡，舍emacs其谁
[06:02] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove: 你真用过吗?
[06:03] <onlylove_> Emacs Makes A Computer Slow
[06:03] * palomino|working 投eclipse一票
[06:03] <BuMangHuo> http://www.smzdm.com/p/665449
[06:03] <alvin_rxg> Title: Sony 索尼 PlayStation VITA 黑/白 1249元包邮_新蛋中国优惠_什么值得买 (@ smzdm.com)
[06:03] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove_: jetbrains家的, 哪个比emacs快?
[06:03] <BuMangHuo> palomino|working: 你是说难用投 eclipse 一票么
[06:03] <onlylove_> WhatsGoingOn: 毛叫我真用过
[06:03] <onlylove_> WhatsGoingOn: emacs没资格说vim卡
[06:03] <palomino|working> 必须的 BuMangHuo
[06:04] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove_: tty不流畅.
[06:04] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove_: x下的流畅. 你理解我上面说的话了吗?
[06:04] <BuMangHuo> 前两天下载了个手游的梦幻西游，丫的 ios 上的账户居然跟小米是分开的服务器
[06:04] <jiero> bu
[06:04] <jiero> BuMangHuo: 明白了？
[06:05] <onlylove> WhatsGoingOn: 如果TTY的vim不流畅，EMACS直接卡死，不能动，懂？
[06:05] <BuMangHuo> QiongMangHuo: 拜 20w 壕
[06:05] <QiongMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: palomino|working 我相信卖钱的IDE
[06:05] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: 我也相信啊.
[06:05] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove: 你用过吗?
[06:05] <onlylove> WhatsGoingOn: 你用过么
[06:06] <palomino|working> 我也相信,但是不想掏钱啊 -_- QiongMangHuo
[06:06] <onlylove> WhatsGoingOn: 你别拿这些来糊弄我
[06:06] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: jetbrains真是太好用了
[06:06] <QiongMangHuo> palomino|working: 所以羡慕 WhatsGoingOn
[06:06] <onlylove> WhatsGoingOn: 我要是没用过我这么和你说？
[06:06] <QiongMangHuo> palomino|working: 白用
[06:06] <palomino|working> :O
[06:06] <BuMangHuo> 羡慕 WhatsGoingOn 啊
[06:06] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove: tty下emacs和vim都不流畅, gui下都流畅, 我一直是这个意思
[06:06] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove: 你非要说emacs卡, 那你给证据
[06:06] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 你写 c 用 jetbrains?
[06:06] <onlylove> WhatsGoingOn: vim再不流畅，也比你emacs快
[06:07] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 必须呀, clion, 重构不能更简单
[06:07] <jusss`> onlylove emacs -nw
[06:07] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove: 给证据
[06:07] <jusss`> onlylove for tty
[06:07] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove: 你顶多是个人云亦云的说emacs慢
[06:08] <BuMangHuo> 重构 c 啊
[06:08] <onlylove> WhatsGoingOn: 需要证据？你自己开个没X的机器试试咯
[06:08] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove: 我试过了啊
[06:08] <onlylove> WhatsGoingOn: 我顶多人云亦云，你当我没用过emacs？
[06:08] <onlylove> WhatsGoingOn: 我也用过emacs了，就是比vim慢
[06:08] * QiongMangHuo Emacs 就是慢!!! 我特么想要删除一行还得先google怎么操作, 几分钟才能删掉!!!! 慢的很!!!!
[06:08] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 我也尝试尝试，有 edu 邮箱就可以用？
[06:09] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 对, 我有好多edu邮箱, 可以帮你弄一个.
[06:09] <onlylove> WhatsGoingOn: 我不会vim那阵子，就是用emacs的
[06:09] <onlylove> WhatsGoingOn: 后来实在受不了了才用的vim
[06:09] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 我之前也搞过几个
[06:09] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: edu.cn 可以不
[06:09] <alvin_rxg> Title: 中国教育和科研计算机网CERNET (@ edu.cn)
[06:09] <onlylove> WhatsGoingOn: 不然vim那变态的按键，你用啊
[06:09] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove: 我连vim script都会写一些, 我用vim比你水平高
[06:09] <tryit> WhatsGoingOn, +1
[06:09] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove: emacs插件写了不少了我都
[06:09] <jusss`> QiongMangHuo: 大神，别黑emacs了
[06:10] <onlylove> WhatsGoingOn: 比我高又怎样？卡就是卡
[06:10] <huntxu> vim按键哪里变态了
[06:10] <WhatsGoingOn> onlylove: 你跟我说你用过emacs有屁用
[06:10] <QiongMangHuo> jusss`: 我说的真事儿
[06:10] * QiongMangHuo 拐不走 窝还是默默地看吧
[06:10] <huntxu> QiongMangHuo: sed -i 行號d，不谢
[06:10] <jusss`> QiongMangHuo: C-k C-w C-d各种删除啊
[06:10] <QiongMangHuo> jusss`: huntxu 你俩要不要这么正经
[06:11] <huntxu> QiongMangHuo: 我没有正经啊
[06:11] <QiongMangHuo> huntxu: 你个老不正经的
[06:11] <huntxu> QiongMangHuo: :!sed -i 行號d <- 这总行了吧
[06:11] <QiongMangHuo> https://github.com/JetBrains/ideavim
[06:11] <alvin_rxg> Title: *HTTPS* JetBrains/ideavim · GitHub (@ github.com)
[06:11] <jusss`> QiongMangHuo: ex, 行号d 直接删
[06:11] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: ideavim比vsvim好用很多!!!
[06:12] <tryit> jusss`, 话说，找到工作了没
[06:12] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: 所以我就说, jetbrains是最好的ide, 比vs还好
[06:12] <jusss`> tryit: 在找中，明天去面xwinx的公司
[06:12] <QiongMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 我觉得vs应该更好一点吧
[06:12] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: 不不不, vs不配合VAx这样的东西, 垃圾的很
[06:12] <palomino|working> vs+vax,必须的...
[06:12] <huntxu> QiongMangHuo: 还有，我的pesmanager抽中robben了
[06:13] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: 但是vs和VAx是分别收费的.
[06:13] <palomino|working> 没有vax难用很多
[06:13] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: 但是clion就不一样了, 默认就比VS+VAx好用
[06:13] <jusss`> QiongMangHuo: ex有时比vim好用呀，除了不支持多字节编码，其它挺好的
[06:13] <huntxu> QiongMangHuo: 玩厌了还值个几百块
[06:13] <tryit> jusss`, 把今天扯淡的东西拿到面试上，然后侃侃而谈，面试官就晕了
[06:13] <palomino|working> :o
[06:13] <palomino|working> 把面试官说离职了?
[06:13] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: 不过考虑到编译器的话, msvc还真是好.
[06:13] <jusss`> tryit: ...
[06:13] <tryit> jusss`, 然后成功入职～
[06:13] <QiongMangHuo> huntxu: 0_0 知道为啥都没有pes 2014 for android了么...
[06:13] <tryit> jusss`, 得靠忽悠
[06:14] <jusss`> tryit: 这不还有点东西没搞明白吗
[06:14] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: jetbrains有vs的插件, 叫resharper for c/c++, 在vs上面实现了clion的功能
[06:14] <huntxu> QiongMangHuo: 手游操作類的太麻煩了
[06:14] <tryit> palomino|working, ...你更高
[06:14] <BuMangHuo> huntxu: QiongMangHuo 有啥好玩的手游推荐
[06:14] <jusss`> QiongMangHuo: x="bla"; ${!x} 这个!啥意思？
[06:14] <huntxu> QiongMangHuo: 還是經營類的好
[06:15] <palomino|working> O_O WhatsGoingOn
[06:15] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss`: 就是个调读取器的标记啊, 语法就是这么规定的
[06:15] <jusss`> WhatsGoingOn: 这个就是reader?
[06:15] <WhatsGoingOn> palomino|working: 咋啦?
[06:15] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss`: 不然是啥
[06:15] <QiongMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 反正还是jetbeans好 因为现在vs没有linux版
[06:15] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 装 aur 里面那个就可以？
[06:15] <palomino|working> 还有这东东
[06:16] * QiongMangHuo 等我发家致富了的!
[06:16] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 自己下载吧, aur的是免费版
[06:16] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: 不过vs可以编译处linux app了
[06:16] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: 先用学生版嘛
[06:16] <QiongMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 将要可以了 现在还不行
[06:16] <jusss`> WhatsGoingOn: 我用百度搜了半天"bash 感叹号"搜出一堆周杰伦，也没找到reader
[06:16] <jiero> QiongMangHuo: 你已经可以很富有了 。 比我富有多了。
[06:16] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: 现在clion是免费的. 还没正式的release
[06:16] <palomino|working> lol 百度
[06:16] * jiero 现在只有 133元了。。。
[06:17] * palomino|working 收到了工资单
[06:17] <huntxu> jiero: 133現金，卡裏還有八位數吧
[06:17] <palomino|working> 就等工资了..
[06:17] <tryit> jusss`, 恩，加油～ :D
[06:18] <QiongMangHuo> huntxu: 八位数? 给跪了
[06:18] <jiero> huntxu: 。。。你把你卡里的后5位给我，我就翻好几倍啊。
[06:18] <jusss`> WhatsGoingOn: 你从那看到这么用的，发个链接
[06:18] <jiero> palomino|working: 工资给我吧。
[06:19] <palomino|working> ...
[06:19] <jiero> palomino|working: 我2个月工资才1100元
[06:19] <palomino|working> 那我这个月喝西北风啊..
[06:19] <palomino|working> .....
[06:19] <jiero> palomino|working: 给我你的 1/20就好了
[06:19] <palomino|working> 低于最低工资啊
[06:19] <palomino|working> 我的1/20,大概20几块...
[06:19] <jiero> palomino|working: 你可以喝东北风
[06:19] <jiero> palomino|working: 啊。。。
[06:19] <palomino|working> 诶
[06:19] <palomino|working> 好像算错了-_-
[06:19] <palomino|working> 200
[06:20] * palomino|working 对不起小学李老师
[06:20] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss`: 上午给你的链接, 跟你说过多少次了!
[06:20] <tryit> jusss`, 试试aol.com
[06:20] <alvin_rxg> Title: AOL - News, Sports, Weather, Entertainment, Local & Lifestyle (@ aol.com)
[06:20] <jiero> palomino|working: 原来你也是靠分红的壕
[06:20] <jusss`> WhatsGoingOn: 这个!和!!的用途一样？或 !command
[06:20] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss`: 不是.
[06:20] <jiero> palomino|working: 少拿工资，的土豪
[06:20] <palomino|working> 唉
[06:20] <palomino|working> 去年分0
[06:20] <palomino|working> 现在穷疯了
[06:20] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss`: 你只需要记住这个用法就行了. 人家就是这么设计的. 没有为什么
[06:21] <palomino|working> 年终奖都没有
[06:21] <jiero> palomino|working: 。。。明白了---土豪没落了
[06:21] <jiero> palomino|working: 千万家产只有一半了。
[06:21] <jusss`> WhatsGoingOn: 那篇文章上讲可以这样用的？我真第一次见，
[06:21] <WhatsGoingOn> jusss`: 文章里给的example
[06:21] <onlylove_> jusss`: msg
[06:21] * WhatsGoingOn 听 海闊天空 - Beyond (Robynn & Kendy)
[06:21] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: 靠, 得买两个tf卡
[06:22] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 买啊, 又不用你花钱.
[06:22] <palomino|working> ...能有千万家产的一半也行啊 jiero
[06:22] <QiongMangHuo> palomino|working: 千 或者 万 你肯定有了
[06:22] <palomino|working> 额..
[06:22] <palomino|working> 那倒是有..
[06:23] <jiero> QiongMangHuo: 今天看到潍坊到杭州的飞机 -我要劫机么
[06:24] * QiongMangHuo 报告警察叔叔
[06:24] <jiero> QiongMangHuo: 。。。
[06:24] <onlylove__> jusss`: 掉线了
[06:24] <jiero> QiongMangHuo: 警察是你弟弟好吧
[06:24] <BuMangHuo> onlylove__: 买啊
[06:24] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 买啊
[06:24] <jiero> lol
[06:25] * QiongMangHuo nnnd, 清明和一群92/93/94的娃娃爬山, 一路挨刀
[06:25] <jiero> QiongMangHuo: 何处不挨刀。。。
[06:26] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 你又想买啥
[06:26] <jiero> BuMangHuo: 改名 BuMaiHuo
[06:26] <QiongMangHuo> yegle: 对的 确实是水群, 今天尤其是
[06:27] <WhatsGoingOn> yegle: 我在twitter见过你.
[06:27] <jusss`> QiongMangHuo: 大牛，教教我，这个读取器!
[06:28] <jusss`> QiongMangHuo: bash
[06:28] <QiongMangHuo> jusss`: 去看abs
[06:28] <jusss`> QiongMangHuo: 关键字是？
[06:29] <QiongMangHuo> jusss`: nnnd 当然是"${!"
[06:30] <QiongMangHuo> jusss`: indirect reference
[06:30] <QiongMangHuo> jusss`: 别老问, 自己搜!
[06:30] <jusss`> QiongMangHuo: 我搜了
[06:31] <jusss`> QiongMangHuo: 不知道关键字是啥
[06:31] <jusss`> 都用google搜了
[06:31] <jusss`> bash bang reader 没搜到
[06:31] <QiongMangHuo> jusss`: pdf里搜"${!"
[06:32] <onlylove> QiongMangHuo: 你给他ban5分钟，让他搜，然后再放进来
[06:32] * jiero 想问谁知道将眼睛聚焦在前方未知处的技能叫什么？
[06:33] <jiero> 好像我可以凭空对焦。。。
[06:33] <QiongMangHuo> jiero: 叫 走神
[06:33] <jiero> QiongMangHuo: 不叫专注？
[06:33] <palomino|working> 斗眼? jiero
[06:34] <jiero> palomino|working: 可能吧。
[06:36] <BuMangHuo> onlylove: 啥都不买
[06:36] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 这货流畅？ 这我这里卡得很啊
[06:36] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 恭喜中奖
[06:37] <BuMangHuo> onlylove: 现在 vim 也让我给配置的乱七八糟了
[06:37] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 把配置删干净，世界就清静了
[06:38] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 你说jetbrains?
[06:38] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 恩
[06:38] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 你搜我刚说德话, 我说了jetbrains比emacs卡多了
[06:38] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: ...
[06:38] <BuMangHuo> 对
[06:38] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 不过不可否认写代码的石猴jetbrains很舒畅
[06:39] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 没感觉出来唉
[06:39] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 当你需要改一个覆盖多个文件的变量的名字的石猴
[06:39] <WhatsGoingOn> 时候
[06:39] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 你就知道这种ide多爽了.
[06:39] <BuMangHuo> 覆盖多个文件？ sed 不靠谱？
[06:40] <QiongMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 你的输入法该扔了
[06:40] <Z^C> 我乐个去
[06:40] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: 搜狗拼音
[06:40] <QiongMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 暴击小dd
[06:40] <BuMangHuo> 时候 事后
[06:40] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: sed了怎么撤消呢?
[06:40] <BuMangHuo> 都是常用词汇啊
[06:40] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 前后参数一调个儿
[06:41] <BuMangHuo> 还 sed 回去？
[06:42] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 麻烦... 还要考虑到作用域啊
[06:42] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 你sed只能全局
[06:43] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 而且, 这货的调试界面做的也好
[06:43] <Z^C> 困死了
[06:43] <Z^C> 哥哥们
[06:43] <Z^C> 表吵
[06:44] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: 我是有点儿不爽想kick了他
[06:44] <WhatsGoingOn> QiongMangHuo: 不过我压制住了
[06:44] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: w.qq.com 怎么加好友?
[06:44] <alvin_rxg> Title: QQ (@ qq.com)
[06:45] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 不会...
[06:45] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: web.qq有.
[06:45] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 吊打小dd happyaron
[06:45] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: web.qq 登不上去
[06:45] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 不知...
[06:45] <lainme> O0XX|Qiong: 用手机加。。。
[06:46] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 你的输入法果然不对
[06:46] <O0XX|Qiong> lainme: 手机上也没qq
[06:46] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 为啥?
[06:46] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 认耸跟压制都打不对....
[06:46] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: lol~
[06:46] <jusss`> QiongMangHuo: ${!varprefix*}, ${!varprefix@} 这样怎么就不是间接引用了？
[06:47] <BuMangHuo> 话说 w.qq.com 跟 webqq 不是去年说不玩了么，怎么又玩了
[06:47] <QiongMangHuo> jusss`: 卧槽, 别问我, 我懒得回答
[06:47] <BuMangHuo> 腾讯最大的好处就是从来没有抛弃过自己的产品吧
[06:47] <IsoaSFlus_> O0XX|Qiong: 现在linux下有啥好点的qq解决方案吗
[06:47] <BuMangHuo> IsoaSFlus_: w.qq.com
[06:48] <O0XX|Qiong> IsoaSFlus_: 我要知道还用现在这么淡腾么?
[06:48] <jusss`> BuMangHuo: 扣扣密宝卡就被抛弃了
[06:48] <IsoaSFlus_> smartqq太挫了
[06:48] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 我现在入了java大法了
[06:48] <Z^C> 是要kick我么
[06:48] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 我要用java重写fwall
[06:48] <Z^C> 流泪。。。
[06:49] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: 管我毛事啊...我要登录qq加个好友啊
[06:49] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 手机啊
[06:49] <Z^C> 0 0
[06:49] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: 我手机上没qq
[06:49] <WhatsGoingOn> O0XX|Qiong: 装一个啊
[06:50] * O0XX|Qiong kun
[06:50] <BuMangHuo> jusss`: 确定？
[06:50] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 瞎说
[06:50] <jusss`> BuMangHuo: 嗯
[06:50] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: 啥?
[06:50] <BuMangHuo> WhatsGoingOn: 你在 rh 的时候已经是 java guru 了
[06:50] <BuMangHuo> 要骗我们
[06:51] <WhatsGoingOn> BuMangHuo: ... ... 不不不, 前天刚开始学java
[06:51] <BuMangHuo> 不要骗我们
[06:51] * O0XX|Qiong 我靠, 我某个虚拟机里居然有qq
[06:51] <lainme> BuMangHuo: 可以算是不玩了。很多地方登录不上，很多有的功能都取消了
[06:52] <palomino|working> 我今天早上也在某个虚拟机里发现了qq... O0XX|Qiong
[07:07] <BuMangHuo> 膜拜有虚拟机的你们
[07:07] <BuMangHuo> 硬盘不够没法装虚拟机了
[07:07] <BuMangHuo> 搞个 windows xp 也得 5G ...
[07:18] <onlylove_> BuMangHuo: 5G刚好装好系统，你放弃吧，弄个android模拟器，然后，就这样
[07:18] <onlylove_> BuMangHuo: 虽然用起来略别扭，但是还是能用的
[07:20] <jusss`> 被间接引用搞迷惑了，跟指针有一拼。。。
[07:20] <jusss`> $$和${!var}
[07:21] <BuMangHuo> onlylove_: 额
[07:21] <BuMangHuo> onlylove_: 安卓模拟器里面用 qq？
[07:22] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 安卓模拟器如果你机器比较烂，模拟起来真心不如虚拟机，那东西死慢死慢的
[07:22] <BuMangHuo> onlylove: 对吧
[07:22] <BuMangHuo> onlylove: 所以我就说不如虚拟机啊
[07:22] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 但是那东西体积小
[07:23] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 对于硬盘空间紧张的你来说，自己选
[07:23] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 或者crossover一个qq
[07:23] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 我记得 kandu搞过，能用的
[07:24] <BuMangHuo> kandu: 老司机
[07:26] <lainme> andriod x86或者genymotion？
[07:26] <onlylove> lainme: 担心android qq是for arm的那样就麻烦了
[07:27] <BuMangHuo> 没有试过
[07:28] <nyfair> 有android x86的qq啊，应该是通用的
[07:28] <nyfair> 虚拟机真心不如wine
[07:28] <nyfair> 安卓模拟器连虚拟机都不如
[07:29] <BuMangHuo> arndoid 就算虚拟机了吧
[07:29] <BuMangHuo> android
[07:30] <nyfair> 麻蛋，一年没碰git了，clone一个repo怎么写来着？
[07:30] <nyfair> git clone?
[07:30] <BuMangHuo> 昂
[07:31] <BuMangHuo> 这年头用个 qq 还是这么纠结的
[07:31] <nyfair> 多大事
[07:31] <nyfair> http://w.qq.com
[07:31] <alvin_rxg> Title: QQ (@ qq.com)
[07:34] <lainme> onlylove_: ARM Translation Installer 之前玩游戏用过
[07:35] <nyfair> lainme: 姐姐带我玩游戏
[07:35] <lainme> nyfair: 您是行家
[07:35] <nyfair> lainme: 我是菜鸟
[07:37] <onlylove> lainme: nyfair年龄未知，别听ta乱叫
[07:38] <jusss> 又掉了，擦
[07:38] <BuMangHuo> 我了个去，你们用 do 的 vps ，能用 google 不
[07:38] <jusss> 垃圾网络
[07:38] <jusss> BuMangHuo: 能
[07:38] <BuMangHuo> but your computer or network may be sending automated queries. To protect our users, we can't process your request right now
[07:39] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: :a :b :c
[07:39] <lainme> onlylove: 赶紧去上海证实一下
[07:39] <jusss> onlylove: 去验证她的真身
[07:41] <onlylove_> BuMangHuo: 是不是google弹条了，有时候google会让你输验证码
[07:42] <BuMangHuo> onlylove_: 没有弹啊
[07:42] <onlylove_> BuMangHuo: 是这样的，会有一个跳转页面，然后有验证码，输对了才继续
[07:43] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 我周末也这样
[07:43] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 现在又好了
[07:43] <onlylove_> BuMangHuo: 我在vmware的时候经常遇到
[07:43] <BuMangHuo> 不知道给我 ban 几天
[07:46] <BuMangHuo> 我去下载一个 deepin 看看他们怎么玩 qq 的
[07:46] <onlylove_> BuMangHuo: 好像是crossover的
[07:48] <jusss> onlylove_: 我现在理解你不停掉线的痛苦了
[07:48] <jusss> onlylove_: 我这五分钟掉了两次
[07:48] <onlylove_> jusss: 才两次
[07:50] <jusss> onlylove_: 前几天因为下小电影被linode发警告信了，我把文件删了还烦我，我直接说its legal in my country,看它丫的怎么说
[07:51] <palomino|working> ...
[07:51] <jusss> onlylove_: 天朝有dmca吗？
[07:51] <palomino|working> linode怎么知道你下小电影了
[07:51] <palomino|working> 你用bt/ed了?
[07:51] <onlylove_> jusss: 傻，vps在人家地盘
[07:51] <freeflying> palomino|working: 今天又抢购
[07:51] <jusss> palomino|working: 从海盗湾找了个magnet连接，用aria2下的
[07:51] <onlylove_> palomino|working: bt可以下别的东西，很多linux iso都是bt的
[07:52] <palomino|working> 哦..
[07:52] <palomino|working> 下免费的自然没事
[07:52] <BuMangHuo> ...
[07:52] <palomino|working> 抢购了什么啊侯总 freeflying
[07:52] <jusss> palomino|working: 百度云扒资源真的超快，我的小电影，1分钟就扒下来了
[07:52] <BuMangHuo> AFK
[07:52] <freeflying> palomino|working: 小米，华为都今天抢购
[07:53] <palomino|working> ... jusss
[07:53] <palomino|working> 我下百度云慢死了
[07:53] <palomino|working> 即使用了百度云管家,也才1.xM/s
[07:53] <palomino|working> 哦.. freeflying
[07:53] <jusss> palomino|working: 我才500kb
[07:53] <BuMangHuo> 稍微大点的文件不用管家不让下啊
[07:54] <palomino|working> 唉
[07:54] <palomino|working> 别提了
[07:54] <palomino|working> 在天津,电信特别慢
[07:54] <jusss> palomino|working: 你都1m了还敢说慢
[07:54] <palomino|working> 当然慢了...
[07:54] <BuMangHuo> 而且是特别慢
[07:54] <palomino|working> 因为在公司干同样的事儿至少3M以上...
[07:54] <palomino|working> 前几天升级android sdk
[07:54] <jusss> 我10mb电信，下载速度也才500kb
[07:54] <palomino|working> 下载速度才几十k
[07:55] <palomino|working> 来公司几M/s
[07:55] <palomino|working> 我50m电信啊...
[07:55] <palomino|working> 悲剧的是我住的小区只有电信
[07:56] <BuMangHuo> palomino|working: 家里小区只有 50M 的电信的更悲剧....
[07:56] <palomino|working> ...
[07:56] <BuMangHuo> palomino|working: 我其实想要个 10M 的
[07:56] <palomino|working> 这样..
[07:56] <palomino|working> 我恨不能100M...
[07:56] <nyfair> palomino|working: 百度云4.5以前不限速,不要更新
[07:56] <palomino|working> :o
[07:57] <palomino|working> 这样...
[07:57] <palomino|working> 多谢老司机!
[07:57] <nyfair> palomino|working: 下个旧版百度云就行了
[07:58] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 那树莓派搞 openwrt 应该不错
[07:58] <nyfair> palomino|working: 还有方法2,把pan.baidu.com改成wap.baidu.com，浏览器直接下也不限速
[07:58] <alvin_rxg> Title: 百度云 网盘-自由存，随心享 (@ baidu.com)
[07:58] <BuMangHuo> O0XX|Qiong: 新版本的有俩网卡？
[07:58] <palomino|working> O_O nyfair
[07:58] <palomino|working> 有大文件限制么 nyfair
[07:58] <nyfair> palomino|working: 么有
[07:58] <palomino|working> good!!
[07:58] * palomino|working momo nyfair
[07:58] <palomino|working> thx
[07:58] <nyfair> palomino|working: 老司机带带我
[07:58] * palomino|working 新手
[07:59] <O0XX|Qiong> BuMangHuo: 不知道..
[07:59] <jusss> 又掉了
[08:00] <jusss> nyfair: 怎么下4，5以前的版本？
[08:00] <palomino|working> 把pan改成wap报错说找不到呢...
[08:01] <jusss> palomino|working: pan.baidu.com/WAP/home
[08:01] <alvin_rxg> Title: 百度云升级 (@ baidu.com)
[08:02] <BuMangHuo> palomino|working: 不是直接改吧
[08:02] <jusss> pan.baidu.com/wap/home/
[08:02] <BuMangHuo> 是加的
[08:02] <alvin_rxg> Title: 百度云 网盘-您的网络U盘 (@ baidu.com)
[08:02] <palomino|working> :o
[08:02] <palomino|working> 先得转存到自己的网盘么
[08:02] <jusss> nyfair: 牛牛发百度云4.5资源给我吧
[08:04] <BuMangHuo> palomino|working: 下载链接好像也能改的样子
[08:06] <Z^C> 是开始准备下班的节奏么
[08:08] <onlylove_> nyfair: 赞美牛牛
[08:13] <nyfair> http://pan.baidu.com/wap/home
[08:13] <alvin_rxg> Title: 百度云 网盘-您的网络U盘 (@ baidu.com)
[08:13] <nyfair> 不是好的么？
[08:13] <yunfan> onlylove_: 我的动感单车到了 哈哈
[08:13] <tryit> palomino|working, 两周前刚换30M电信
[08:14] <tryit> palomino|working, 全速下载速度可以保持在3M左右
[08:14] <palomino|working> 全速下载是没问题
[08:14] <yunfan> tryit: 多少钱一个月 可有公网ip 上行如何
[08:14] <palomino|working> 问题在常常不能全速...
[08:15] <jusss`> nyfair: 牛牛发我4.5客户端
[08:15] <palomino|working> 同样的网站,用公司的联通光纤访问比家里电信光纤快n倍
[08:15] <onlylove> 想起我那常年不破百的3G就头大
[08:15] <tryit> yunfan, 我在魔都，帝都换联通
[08:15] <yunfan> palomino|working: 是的 比如我这里 白天别人出门了 我能满速 晚上大家回来了 我开网页都卡 我是20M的
[08:15] <yunfan> tryit: 我知道你在魔都 我准备过一阵过去 所以才问你
[08:16] <tryit> yunfan, 没注意是否有公网IP，京东买的，2年2100
[08:16] <jusss`> onlylove 中联通，轻松破百
[08:16] <yunfan> tryit: 京东也卖这个 ？？
[08:16] <tryit> yunfan, 在电信直接办一年1400
[08:16] <tryit> yunfan, 呵呵，刚推出
[08:16] <yunfan> tryit: 那还是你便宜 我这是光纤到楼 20M 199/月
[08:16] <onlylove> jusss`: 信号不好破毛百
[08:17] <tryit> yunfan, 是京东便宜
[08:17] <yunfan> 不过等我到期了 可以换99/月的
[08:17] <tryit> yunfan, 直接去电信办就没有2年2100的套餐
[08:17] <yunfan> 到那时候我又出门混了
[08:17] <yunfan> tryit: 我说一年1k4也便宜
[08:17] <tryit> yunfan, 壕……
[08:19] <yunfan> 我去搜 z9 mini 居然第一个就是魅族的广告 说什么完爆z9 mini 现在魅族都沦落到要跟nubia拼了么 ？
[08:19] * IsoaSFlus_ 20m对等，980两年的路过
[08:20] <yunfan> tryit: 做it的难道不该投资这个么 ？
[08:20] <yunfan> IsoaSFlus_: 客官肉身寄托何处？
[08:20] <IsoaSFlus_> yunfan: 大学
[08:20] <IsoaSFlus_> 中国的
[08:20] <yunfan> IsoaSFlus_: 额 还招生不
[08:20] <yunfan> 不会是教育网吧
[08:20] <IsoaSFlus_> 垃圾大学，来了准后悔
[08:21] <IsoaSFlus_> 不是
[08:21] <IsoaSFlus_> 教育网就爽了
[08:21] <IsoaSFlus_> 有v6
[08:21] <yunfan> 啥学校 干嘛不说名字
[08:21] <yunfan> 再烂都比我学校好 你怕什么
[08:21] <IsoaSFlus_> 不好意思提
[08:22] <IsoaSFlus_> 我现在用的就是z7 mini
[08:22] <palomino|working> 用了wap大法貌似还是有5个线程的限制
[08:22] <palomino|working> 2.5M到头了..
[08:23] <IsoaSFlus_> 个人对nubia好感度不错
[08:25] <tryit> yunfan, 应该
[08:25] <jusss`> IsoaSFlus_: 什么学校呀，
[08:25] <onlylove> yunfan: 越不好意思提的往往都是国内名牌 cc jusss` IsoaSFlus_
[08:25] <IsoaSFlus_> 二本还名牌……
[08:25] <IsoaSFlus_> 合肥学院，够low吧
[08:26] <jusss`> IsoaSFlus_: 好名字，那个地方盛产肥料吧
[08:27] <IsoaSFlus_> ⊙▽⊙不太清楚
[08:28] <yunfan> IsoaSFlus_: 原来同省 合肥学院确实比我学校稍微烂一点
[08:28] <IsoaSFlus_> yunfan: 菊苣ustc的？
[08:29] <yunfan> IsoaSFlus_: 没有啊 我传媒学校的
[08:29] <yunfan> IsoaSFlus_: 你那z7是用原生系统还是刷的系统 ？
[08:30] <IsoaSFlus_> 原生
[08:30] <IsoaSFlus_> 折腾手机是高中干的事了
[08:31] <IsoaSFlus_> 以前学c的时候没电脑，只好在手机上装个debian用gcc
[08:31] <palomino|working> ....
[08:31] <palomino|working> 手机...
[08:31] <yunfan> IsoaSFlus_: 那你还有几只手？
[08:31] <IsoaSFlus_> 还有两只
[08:31] <yunfan> palomino|working: 这个不稀奇
[08:31] <yunfan> IsoaSFlus_: 怎么没剁？
[08:32] <IsoaSFlus_> 中兴机子我用了三台了，没想剁过
[08:32] <yunfan> 难得你这么个奇葩 喜欢捧zte的臭脚啊
[08:32] <yunfan> 这个能root不
[08:32] <IsoaSFlus_> 这话说得难听了
[08:33] <yunfan> 只要能root 装xposed我也闭眼了
[08:33] <yunfan> 难听也说了 有什么办法
[08:33] <IsoaSFlus_> 能root，还相当简单，纯手机端就能
[08:33] <Z^C> 有人做医疗行业的么
[08:34] <yunfan> 那还行
[08:34] <IsoaSFlus_> 还有我算捧zte？我从来不向谁安利这牌子，只有别人提起的时候我说自己的感受罢了
[08:34] * palomino|working 连买3个剁手兴了...
[08:34] <yunfan> 我捧了华为两次臭脚 凭良心说 省电做得不错
[08:35] <jusss`> test
[08:35] <IsoaSFlus_> nubia的手机貌似root了还能保修
[08:35] <yunfan> 但是root太麻烦 而且老没rom用
[08:35] <yunfan> 所以我不打算继续捧了 不过如果我父母这种不折腾的人 还是可以推荐华为
[08:35] <yunfan> 续航实在是做得好
[08:36] <Z^C> 有人做设备么
[08:36] <yunfan> palomino|working: 买了那个什么大婶？
[08:36] <palomino|working> 酷派?_?
[08:36] <IsoaSFlus_> z7 mini的续航太残废了
[08:37] <IsoaSFlus_> 不过对我来说没啥，回寝室就插上电
[08:37] <yunfan> 续航烂我得小心点
[08:37] <yunfan> 不过就我得经验来看 装上xposed续航能翻倍
[08:37] <yunfan> 主要都是那些 bootchains 在捣鬼
[08:38] <BuMangHuo> palomino|working: 有那么多手剁啊？
[08:38] <palomino|working> 我提醒一句:小心京东客户端
[08:38] <palomino|working> 这玩意老偷偷耗光我的电..
[08:38] <yunfan> palomino|working: 京东有啥玄妙？
[08:38] <jusss`> Z^C: 有
[08:38] <jusss`> Z^C: 有什么福利吗？
[08:38] <jusss`> palomino|working: 我连买2个zte了
[08:38] <yunfan> palomino|working: 估计是开发偷懒不做push用了pull 技术
[08:38] <Z^C> juss 你是做什么设备的
[08:38] <palomino|working> :-/
[08:38] <Z^C> 走了。。
[08:39] <yunfan> palomino|working: 你都没装xposed?
[08:39] <palomino|working> 没
[08:39] <jusss`> Z^C: 掉了
[08:39] <palomino|working> 不知道xposed现在支持5.0了没
[08:41] <yunfan> palomino|working: 也是 好像他没支持art
[08:41] <Z^C> 你做什么设备的
[08:41] <Z^C> jusss` 做哪个区域的
[08:42] <palomino|working> 听说前段时间出了个alpha版,支持5.0的 yunfan
[08:42] <jusss`> mtk的果然容易没信号。。。
[08:43] <yunfan> palomino|working: art这种东西 要改就不是一点点了
[08:43] <Z^C> 晕死 还能不能愉快的聊天了
[08:43] <yunfan> 不知道是不是改了android的动态链接库
[08:43] <jusss`> 又掉了，擦
[08:43] <Z^C> jusss` 你做什么设备，哪片区域的
[08:43] <jusss`> 这傻叉的网络
[08:44] <palomino|working> Rovo89替代了原系统的libart.so库文件 yunfan
[08:45] <jusss> Z^C: 我不做，我一个朋友做
[08:45] <Z^C> jusss 他做哪边的呢 可以共享下资源
[08:46] <yunfan> palomino|working: 问题是 art是安装时候二进制翻译成本地吗 他不会只依赖一个库吧 难道 libart.so就是他定制的动态连接器？
[08:46] <jusss> Z^C: 不清楚
[08:46] <palomino|working> 不知道啊.. yunfan
[08:46] <Z^C> 好吧
[08:48] <O0XX|Qiong> WhatsGoingOn: 这歌是叫 扣me美逼?
[08:49] <yunfan> palomino|working: 我准备去捧下联想
[08:49] <yunfan> 看到那个乐蒙k3 note貌似不错
[08:53] <onlylove> jusss: 你用的是mit-scheme还是guile
[08:53] <jusss> onlylove: sbcl
[08:54] <jusss> onlylove: LOL
[08:54] <jusss> onlylove: scheme用chez cl用sbcl
[08:55] <jusss> 你要学scheme
[08:55] <jusss> ?
[08:55] <onlylove> jusss: 问下
[08:55] <Z^C> 我用的是xchatttttttttttttttt
[08:55] <onlylove> jusss: sbcl的名字放中文里面真讽刺
[08:56] <yunfan> 额 续航糟糕
[08:56] <jusss> onlylove: 但是好使，
[08:57] <jusss> onlylove: 不过真正的大牛都是自己写解释器的
[08:58] <jusss> onlylove: 淫王都号称40行写完一个解释器
[08:58] <onlylove> jusss: 也没见他贡献啥
[08:58] <onlylove> jusss: 除了troll他有甚贡献？
[08:59] <onlylove> 喵咪咪的，亚信再看我简历我拉黑之
[08:59] <jusss> onlylove: 这个还真不知道，说不准人家改过内核bug谁知道
[08:59] <onlylove> jusss: 依照他的性子，不好用的东西，要么忍了，要么丢了
[09:00] <onlylove> jusss: 你看，这不去微软那边了，不过我等他开贴喷微软
[09:00] <jusss> onlylove: 能从清华出去然后又连跳了2个大学，也是厉害了
[09:00] <jusss> onlylove: 他上了四个大学吧
[09:01] <onlylove_> jusss: 盖茨很厉害，丹尼斯也很厉害，不是么
[09:01] <jusss> onlylove_: 。。。
[09:02] <jusss> onlylove_: 不能那样比
[09:02] <onlylove_> jusss: 那怎么比
[09:03] <onlylove_> jusss: 我没否认他厉害
[09:03] <jusss> onlylove_: 况且时代也不一样了，unix刚一出来时不是还被当时的大牛嘲笑吗
[09:03] <onlylove_> jusss: 最起码比我这个整天玩游戏的强
[09:03] <onlylove_> jusss: 我不认为那是嘲笑
[09:03] <jusss> onlylove_: 最后那个时代认为是愚蠢的系统现在都是它的后代
[09:04] <onlylove_> jusss: 这是生存能力和生存策略的问题
[09:04] <onlylove_> jusss: unix当时是分发代码的，剩下的都不肯
[09:05] <onlylove_> jusss: 这东西就和hddvd和blueraydvd似的
[09:05] <onlylove_> jusss: 还有td-scdma和wcdma一样
[09:05] <jusss> hd已死
[09:05] <onlylove_> jusss: 谁商业化了，谁就活下来
[09:05] <jusss> td是真正的垃圾
[09:05] <onlylove_> jusss: 你没理由证明bd比HD更强，唯一强的是BD容量更大
[09:05] <Z^C> 这里讨论政治不会被和谐吧
[09:06] <onlylove_> Z^C: 必须会
[09:06] <Z^C> 看来果然没有自由的地方啊
[09:06] <onlylove_> jusss: 如果当时wcdma死了呢
[09:06] <jusss> cdma2k
[09:06] <Z^C> 天朝这样真的不合适
[09:06] <onlylove_> jusss: 所以技术优劣并不一定是生存下来的根本
[09:06] <jusss> tdd lte依然还是垃圾
[09:07] <jusss> 上下行用一个通道，这就是在找死
[09:08] <jusss> 在火车上，移动就是个废
[09:08] <palomino|working> 哼哼...能存活下来的关键全看色情片发行商用哪个... onlylove_
[09:08] <yunfan> jusss: 没有吧 我当年坐火车回家 就靠gprs
[09:08] <yunfan> 跟adam聊天
[09:09] <Z^C> 这个频道管理员是怎么来的
[09:09] <yunfan> palomino|working: ip6才1800mah 续航却那么好
[09:09] <yunfan> 这帮android 厂商也太挫了
[09:09] <jusss> yunfan: 你做的是80km/h的快车?
[09:09] <Z^C> iMadper 系统自动给的么 管理员
[09:09] <onlylove> palomino|working: 不过迪士尼应该不算吧？
[09:09] <iMadper> Z^C: 好像是诶.
[09:09] <yunfan> jusss: 绿皮车 京福线
[09:10] <jusss> yunfan: 那速度慢，能用
[09:10] <onlylove> yunfan: 绿皮车还有？
[09:10] <palomino|working> ip6续航也没多好吧,还不是一天一充... yunfan
[09:10] <Z^C> iMadper 我能要么
[09:10] <jusss> onlylove: 有
[09:10] <iMadper> Z^C: 不知道诶. 要来干嘛?
[09:10] <palomino|working> 当然ios电源管理显然是比android做得好
[09:10] <yunfan> palomino|working: 但是假如给他3kmah 岂不是牛逼了 ？
[09:10] <Z^C> iMadper 看着好看
[09:10] <palomino|working> 那得厚出来一截.. yunfan
[09:10] <yunfan> palomino|working: 我发现定制的ui里 经常有两个android系统耗电
[09:10] <onlylove> palomino|working: 不，做的好的原因是，水果的硬件是固定的
[09:10] <iMadper> Z^C: 这个理由可能要不到诶
[09:10] <palomino|working> 我觉得关键是不让应用胡搞吧 onlylove
[09:10] <yunfan> 一个叫 android os 一个叫android系统 不知道里头有啥玄乎
[09:11] <palomino|working> android这堆应用,每个都自己弄个推送什么的
[09:11] <yunfan> onlylove: 水果的硬件如今也不是固定了
[09:11] <palomino|working> cp\u根本没时间休息嘛
[09:11] <Z^C> iMadper 你当时是怎么申请到的
[09:11] <onlylove> palomino|working: android的硬件花色太多，什么mtk 高通啥的
[09:11] <iMadper> Z^C: 大管理员给的.
[09:11] <onlylove> yunfan: 至少CPU是水果的
[09:11] <yunfan> palomino|working: android以前jvm那种方式其实好管理
[09:11] <onlylove> yunfan: 只要SOC固定，怎么都好说
[09:11] <yunfan> onlylove: 其实是水果的一些政策问题 比如不好开fork
[09:12] <Z^C> iMadper 可是大管理员不是个机器人么
[09:12] <onlylove> yunfan: 水果这个政策怎么说，看水果的PC机
[09:12] <onlylove> yunfan: 再看linux各种distro
[09:12] <palomino|working> android对后台管理没那么严格 yunfan
[09:12] <iMadper> Z^C: 这个频道了很多人混了五六年了还没拿到管理员. 你觉得你能要到?
[09:13] <Z^C> iMadper 所以我问你是怎么来的么 你还塘塞我
[09:13] <iMadper> Z^C: 我说了, 大管理员给的
[09:13] <iMadper> Z^C: 这也叫搪塞?
[09:13] <IsoaSFlus_> 要那么多管理员干嘛
[09:13] <Z^C> iMadper 好吧 管理员也挺辛苦的
[09:13] <onlylove> IsoaSFlus_: 一个管理不一定时刻在
[09:14] <onlylove> IsoaSFlus_: 万一有捣乱的管理不在不好办
[09:14] <Z^C> 是的
[09:14] <IsoaSFlus_> onlylove: 我的意思的现在应该饱和了
[09:15] <onlylove> IsoaSFlus_: 既然现在饱和了，那自然就不用给 Z^C了
[09:15] <IsoaSFlus_> on
[09:16] <IsoaSFlus_> onlylove: 所以啊，还不懂我的意思吗
[09:16] <IsoaSFlus_> 非要把话说成这样
[09:16] <IsoaSFlus_> 不伤人？
[09:16] <Z^C> 真实的
[09:16] <yunfan> palomino|working: 是啊 理论上他官方应该出个xposed这种东西
[09:16] <Z^C> 你俩真是的
[09:16] <yunfan> palomino|working: jvm的全是虚的 什么通讯录啥的都应该可以造假
[09:16] <yunfan> onlylove: 那不一样
[09:17] <gfxmode> 写了一天的Pascal。。。
[09:17] <Z^C> 我寻思注册个没有被注册过的名字
[09:17] <Z^C> 不然每次登陆都提示我名字已被注册
[09:17] <jusss> gfxmode: 什么地方还用Pascal?
[09:17] <onlylove_> jusss: 我还是打算有时间看下函数式
[09:18] <onlylove_> jusss: 所以打算看下scheme
[09:18] <jusss> onlylove_: sicp
[09:18] <jusss> onlylove_: 比tcpl强多了，虽然也不是入门推荐
[09:18] <gfxmode> jusss: 很老的应用程序，9几年比较流行
[09:19] <jusss> onlylove_: 看land of lisp
[09:19] <yunfan> onlylove_: 你终于开悟了 知道跟风炒概念了
[09:19] <jusss> onlylove_: tspl
[09:19] <yunfan> jusss: 有个教程更好 h开头的
[09:20] <jusss> onlylove_: yu
[09:20] <jusss> onlylove_: yunfan htdp
[09:20] <jusss> how to design program
[09:21] <gfxmode> jusss: Handbook of *
[09:21] <yunfan> jusss: 对 是这个 这个貌似最浅显
[09:21] <yunfan> 还有 the little schemer 适合不喜欢废话的人
[09:21] <yunfan> 还有 learn x in y minutes 的scheme版本 呵呵
[09:22] <jusss> onlylove_: 三本推荐入门书 land of lisp the schem programming language how to design program, 还有一本sicp
[09:22] <yunfan> the little schemer最刁 可以算是一招鲜 吃遍天
[09:22] <gfxmode> 手把手教你学XXX
[09:22] <yunfan> 随你什么问题 都是递归解决 额
[09:23] <jusss> onlylove_: tspl可以去scheme.com 上有html版本，跟sicp一样
[09:23] <alvin_rxg> Title: (chez (chez scheme)) (@ scheme.com)
[09:23] <gfxmode> irssi可以显示记录的log文件么？
[09:24] <onlylove_> 我擦，人干事
[09:24] <onlylove_> 这网
[09:24] <onlylove_> jusss: 你的网今天咋回事，怎么和我一样了
[09:29] <Z|C> You are already logged in as Z^C.
[09:29] <Z|C> -NickServ- Use GROUP to register Z|C to your account.
[09:29] <Z|C> -NickServ- Use GROUP to register Z|C to your account.
[09:29] <Z|C> You are already logged in as Z^C.
[09:29] <Z|C> -NickServ- Use GROUP to register Z|C to your account.
[09:30] <Z|C> 这个事什么意思
[09:30] <Z|C> 问下
[09:30] <iMadper> Z|C: 别刷屏.
[09:30] <Z|C> 哦 我注册的时候碰到这个问题
[09:30] <Z|C> 请教下
[09:32] <Z|C> 没人知道么
[09:32] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 知道, 不过懒得帮你找link了
[09:32] <Z|C> 啥意思
[09:33] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 你能把一个nick放到你的注册账号下面. 成为一个group
[09:33] <Z|C> 不知道怎么操作。。
[09:33] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: 这种问题, 你随便就能google到
[09:33] <MSErgo4K> Z|C: /msg nickserv group
[09:34] <Z|C> 这就可以了吧
[09:34] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 14.10 • ubuntu kylin 14.04运行游戏报错 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469366 系统64位，运行64位版本游戏时 ./isaac.x64: error while loading shared libraries: libopenal.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 缺少libopenal.so.1，于是我执行了 apt-get install libopenal1:i386 下面是命令执
[09:34] <^k^> ─> 行情况 正在读取软件包列表... 完成 正在分析软件包的依赖关系树 正在读取状态信息... …
[09:34] <jiero> 有人有 用 dbus-send 组合替代 systemctl hybrid-sleep 吗？
[09:36] <onlylove_> 二代居然提技术问题了
[09:36] <yunfan> 草了 那个z9 mini是用nano sim卡的
[09:36] <yunfan> 老子去哪里搞这鸟卡
[09:36] <onlylove_> 太阳从西面出来了
[09:36] <onlylove_> yunfan: 自己剪
[09:36] <onlylove_> yunfan: 我的microsim就是自己剪的
[09:37] <BuMangHuo> onlylove_: 如果是比较老的卡，剪不了 nano sim
[09:37] <yunfan> onlylove_: 注意 是 nano sim卡 不是 micro sim 我已经是micro sim了
[09:37] <BuMangHuo> onlylove_: 我的联通卡就剪不了，被迫去营业厅实名了
[09:38] <BuMangHuo> yunfan: 看你的卡啊，有的卡可以剪
[09:38] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 但是现在是3对的比较多，所以再剪掉一圈就好 cc yunfan
[09:38] <yunfan> BuMangHuo: 我是直接去杭州换的
[09:38] <onlylove> yunfan: 我当然知道nano sim和microsim的区别
[09:38] <BuMangHuo> onlylove: 嗯
[09:39] <BuMangHuo> yunfan: 如果你是直接换的 micro，那我猜你还可以来一刀
[09:39] <yunfan> onlylove: 我每剪卡器呢
[09:39] <BuMangHuo> 剪刀啊
[09:39] <BuMangHuo> 要啥剪卡器
[09:39] <onlylove> yunfan: 剪刀，美工刀
[09:40] <yunfan> BuMangHuo: 我拆下来看看
[09:40] <BuMangHuo> 或者出门随便找个修手机的
[09:40] <freeflying> 谁买了moto g电信版
[09:40] <yunfan> 不过不能买 至今论坛上还有一拨人在求root
[09:41] <^k^> 新 初学者园地 - 14.10 • 【疑问】关于“粉碎棱镜”平台对ubuntu关于隐私方面的评价 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469367 “粉碎棱镜”——这是一个什么样的平台，有那些人和组织在支持这个平台？或者有类似目的但是比这个要好的平台？ https://prism-break.org/zh-CN 在“操作系统”列表中
[09:41] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: htc的有cm部
[09:41] <O0XX|Qiong> freeflying: htc有的有
[09:41] <freeflying> O0XX|Qiong: 电信版估计都没了吧
[09:42] <yunfan> freeflying: 别买电信
[09:42] <yunfan> freeflying: 除非有人用枪指你脑袋逼你买
[09:43] <onlylove> yunfan: http://iphone.tgbus.com/hardware/pingce/201209/20120927062834.shtml
[09:43] <^k^> onlylove: ⇪ 实践出真知 "土方法"Nano SIM卡裁剪教程 - iPhone中文网
[09:43] <freeflying> yunfan: 这都是废话了，你能找到跟电信一样便宜的套餐吗
[09:43] <yunfan> onlylove: 不靠谱 我从来就画不了直线 也剪不出直线 这个 z9 可以pass了
[09:43] <yunfan> freeflying: 有多便宜？
[09:44] <O0XX|Qiong> onlylove: 我自己剪过, 挂了
[09:44] <onlylove> O0XX|Qiong: 我剪过，没挂
[09:44] <freeflying> yunfan: 1500m, 4G每个月99
[09:44] <O0XX|Qiong> onlylove: 其实也不是完全挂了
[09:44] <O0XX|Qiong> onlylove: 不稳定而已
[09:44] <onlylove> yunfan: 你可以用别的东西，比方说木匠的凿
[09:44] <yunfan> freeflying: 许多地方用不了 你搞个p
[09:44] <onlylove> O0XX|Qiong: 我剪的那张还没啥问题反馈
[09:44] <yunfan> freeflying: 联通的便宜点 也相对节点好点
[09:45] <onlylove> O0XX|Qiong: 虽然是给别人剪的，还是仔细研究过的
[09:45] <gfxmode_> TB上可以买剪卡器，咔嚓一下，就好了
[09:45] <freeflying> yunfan: 实践出真知
[09:45] <yunfan> 移动的我是开了个 58一月500m的 28快话费 30快上网
[09:45] <yunfan> freeflying: 我以前在帝都就是联通的卡
[09:45] <freeflying> yunfan: 从南到北，城市农村都走过
[09:45] <onlylove> yunfan: 当然，那东西比较快，你要拿准了，不然咔嚓一下就废了
[09:45] <freeflying> yunfan: 信号杠杠得
[09:46] <yunfan> onlylove: 没root 我剪了也没啥用 再等等
[09:46] <yunfan> 老跟你们扯 都忘记做饭了
[09:47] <jusss> freeflying: 联通快
[09:47] <freeflying> jusss: 快个毛，都是fdd的网络
[09:47] <jusss> freeflying: 3g
[09:48] <onlylove> yunfan: http://jingyan.baidu.com/article/36d6ed1f5d50e11bcf488316.html
[09:48] <^k^> onlylove: ⇪ iPhone5C手机（Nano-SIM卡）SIM卡剪卡_百度经验
[09:48] <freeflying> jusss: 我们用的都是4G
[09:48] <jusss> freeflying: 天朝的联通4g和国外的fdd lte一样吗？
[09:49] <jusss> freeflying: 据说cdma没4g，那美国和欧洲要统一fdd lte了?
[09:49] <onlylove> yunfan: http://www.pc6.com/edu/58677.html
[09:49] <^k^> onlylove: ⇪ iphone5剪卡教程,nano sim card超级简单教程 _pc6资讯
[09:50] <onlylove> yunfan: 其实很easy的
[09:50] <jiero> yunfan: 我没那么多网络使用。就开了无极变速 6元20m，能升级的。
[09:50] <jusss> freeflying: cdma-evdv还出吗？
[09:50] <onlylove> jusss: 好像是没
[09:51] <freeflying> jusss: 电信全部fdd+tdd混合组网
[09:51] <jusss> onlylove: 取了个这么牛叉的名字竟然挂了
[09:51] <onlylove> jusss: 因为……产量少，人不爱做
[09:51] <jusss> freeflying: 那现在欧洲和美国真的统一了?
[09:52] <onlylove> jusss: 然后就这么死了
[09:52] <jusss> onlylove: cdma就这么死了，唉
[09:52] <onlylove> jusss: cdma比GSM差么，并不，所以你看有时候技术并不一定是主要原因
[09:52] <freeflying> jusss: 现在都开始搞5G了，你还在纠结啥cdma啊，3G上米国欧洲主要都是wcdma好不
[09:53] <jusss> freeflying: 3g不是cdma-evdo和wcdma吗？
[09:56] <jusss> onlylove: 据说5g比wifi还快
[09:56] <onlylove> jusss: 快有毛用，你有wifi便宜么
[09:57] <yunfan> jie什么叫无极变速
[09:59] <jusss> onlylove: 今晚回去把我那个网站搞搞
[09:59] <jusss> onlylove: 一直没动过，唉
[09:59] <onlylove> yunfan: 就是平滑变速
[10:00] <onlylove> yunfan: 你知道物理课上的滑动变阻器和箱式变阻器不
[10:00] <onlylove> yunfan: 有级变速的话，速度是固定的几个值
[10:00] <onlylove> yunfan: 无级变速类似变频器那种东西
[10:01] <onlylove> jusss: 你要搞成啥样
[10:03] <jusss> onlylove: 不知道
[10:03] <onlylove> jusss: 那你自己搞吧
[10:03] * jusss 谁免费帮我搞搞网站
[10:04] <onlylove> jusss: http://localhost-8080.com/
[10:04] <^k^> onlylove: ⇪ 考据癖 | 好奇心 | 冷知识
[10:04] <onlylove> jusss: 其实真不用太复杂
[10:04] <onlylove> jusss: 或者你看下adam的
[10:04] <BuMangHuo> 才知道原来域名可以有 -
[10:04] <onlylove> jusss: adam.info？
[10:05] <onlylove> jusss: 不过adam那个用的octapress还是啥
[10:05] <onlylove> jusss: 当然你要是实在讨厌php，可以用ruby，然后自己写前端
[10:07] <onlylove> BuMangHuo: 神奇吧，其实这网站当时是二代发这频道的，我觉得还有点意思
[10:09] <onlylove> jusss: 顺便说，现在招聘python或者ruby的也不少，django和ror什么的挺多的
[10:10] <yunfan> onlylove: 所以嘛 你可以学学
[10:10] <onlylove> yunfan: 学啥？剪卡？
[10:10] <onlylove> yunfan: 这几天忙游戏
[10:11] <onlylove> yunfan: 其实也没啥好玩的，也许过不了几天就不玩了？谁知道呢
[10:12] <onlylove> yunfan: 学ROR能认识美术妹子么
[10:13] <yunfan> onlylove: 我说 python
[10:13] <onlylove> yunfan: 我受不了空格
[10:14] <onlylove> yunfan: 还有，最近的面试电话，俩桌面一测试，要疯了
[10:14] <yunfan> onlylove: 妹子都喜欢宝石 你还是学习 ror吧 不象python 都是gay
[10:14] <onlylove> yunfan: perl也是宝石
[10:15] <yunfan> onlylove: 比如你问我是搞什么的 我说我搞py的 :]
[10:15] <onlylove> yunfan: ee神的恶趣味？
[10:15] <onlylove> yunfan: 你可以说你养蛇的嘛
[10:15] <onlylove> yunfan: 哦，应该是蟒
[10:20] <yunfan> onlylove: 呵呵 搞py好
[10:21] <cxy> 请问怎么上谷歌，我在百度上百度的方法要不然不会用要不然不能用，谁能给个教程文档啥的，感激不尽
[10:22] <onlylove_> http://www.solidot.org/story?sid=43623
[10:22] <^k^> ⇪ ti: Solidot | 文化部正在审查更多日本动漫作品
[10:22] <onlylove_> 柯南也要被审查了？
[10:24] <sennn> 大家好
[10:24] <^k^> sennn:点点点. 18:24
[10:25] <oneieaf> 大家好
[10:25] <^k^> oneieaf:点点点. 18:25
[10:39] <cxy> 请问怎么上谷歌，我在百度上百度的方法要不然不会用要不然不能用，谁能给个教程文档啥的，感激不尽
[10:45] <sennn> tor
[11:04] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: http://i3.xiaohua.fd.zol-img.com.cn/t_s600x5000/g3/M09/0B/0F/Cg-4WFJWINOIFc5rAAG1H1fJRZcAAMY7QEYEoMAAbU3529.jpg 看最后一个
[11:06] <gfxmode_> 这个才是万人斩 http://3g.163.com/news/15/0408/16/AMMMCAQQ00014JB5.html
[11:06] <^k^> gfxmode_: ⇪ 日校长嫖娼20多年涉1.2万女子_手机网易网
[11:15] <yunfan> gfxmode_: 太狠了吧 你每天玩个女的 从一岁到100岁也才3万啊
[11:20] <gfxmode_> yunfan: 群的呢
[11:24] <gfxmode_> yunfan: 20 * 365也才7K多，这则新闻有点不对。。。
[12:11] <jiero> 谁能告诉我怎么简单的不用 root 权限 hibernate ？
[12:28] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 放松,再来一次！ : 又歪了,这怎么进得去,出来出来,再来一次,你太紧张了!放松,看屁股!靠左点!对!慢点!好!进来了进来了!再进来一点!OKOK!好!停车费2元……!
[12:33] <jiero> 呀的。
[12:33] <jiero> 卧虎吐了。
[12:33] <jiero> 我糊涂了。。。
[12:33] <jiero> linux的电源管理这么道道。
[12:37] <jussss> jiero: systemd
[12:39] <jiero> jussss, 我看了一通呀 并没找到 systemd 不用root就可以休眠的方式
[12:42] <jussss> jiero: systemctl hiberate试试，我就知道可以systemctl suspend不用root
[12:46] <^k^> 新 游戏和游戏模拟器 • 求解,steam的CS与Windows的CS无法在局域网联网一起玩 http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=469368 前几天突然心血来潮,在steam上买了Counter Strike的套装,下载运行都很顺利,唯一悲剧的就是启动后发现无法和小伙伴一起联机玩~~ 请问一下,这个和正版盗版有关系吗?因为朋友用
[13:39] <jusss> 想看50度灰
[14:11] <^k^> 暂无新帖 讲个笑话吧: 狗不懂 : 有个人被狗咬伤,赶忙到医生那里上药。 医生正收拾东西,准备下班。"看看几点了,怎么这时候才来?"医生满脸不快。"我是知道的,医生,"那人说,"可是,狗不懂啊！ "
[14:20] <AGfeather> 各位亲人，我谷歌进不去，求解脱，我是JAVA程序员，你懂的
[14:23] <gfxmode> AGfeather: http://nan.so/
[14:23] <^k^> ⇪ ti: 南搜 nan.so - 让Google搜索更简单
[14:24] <AGfeather> 谢谢
[14:42] <happyaron> AGfeather: 换C#就好多了
[14:42] <happyaron> lol
[14:47] <gfxmode> happyaron: JAVA写Android程序;C#写Windows Phone程序
[14:47] <happyaron> gfxmode: 那就swift吧
[14:48] <happyaron> gfxmode: 这个比较容易赚钱
[15:01] <AngeryFeather> 虽然我很穷，可是还是想干自己想干的事，尽管现在不是干想干的事
[15:03] <happyaron> AngeryFeather: 好样的
[15:03] <happyaron> AngeryFeather: 为了做想做的事努力
[15:14] <onlylove> 好像python可以写android程序？
[15:14] <onlylove> 梦想引领未来，希望你能活到那一天
[15:17] <onlylove> happyaron: 我那么说，是不是有点伤人
[15:18] <happyaron> onlylove: 人家年轻的话你那话就不对啦
[15:18] <happyaron> onlylove: 其实你也还不算年纪大
[15:18] <onlylove> happyaron: 实际上怎么说，我也不知道能不能活到那一天
[15:18] <happyaron> 嗯
[15:19] <onlylove> 所以其实是个很悲催的事情
[15:19] <happyaron> 既来之则安之
[15:19] <onlylove> 小DD，啥时候能看到龙芯超算打榜啊
[15:19] <happyaron> 等ARM64吧
[15:20] <happyaron> 龙芯这次干不过arm的
[15:20] <onlylove> 靠，龙虾不是浮点强化么
[15:20] <onlylove> 刚被人用整数性能奚落了一阵子
[15:21] <happyaron> 浮点比整数还挫，谨记
[15:21] <happyaron> lol
[15:22] <onlylove> 真的假的，整数那么搓，浮点怎么过
[15:22] <onlylove> happyaron: 驱动之家那不知道真假的软文看没
[15:23] <happyaron> onlylove: 看了，差别比例啥的肯定有软件优化因素，但实际上能不能战胜A8是不需要它比的
[15:23] <happyaron> onlylove: A7已经把市场上已有的所有ARM芯片都爆了，你想呢
[15:23] <onlylove> happyaron: 我不关心A8啊，那是个64的啊
[15:23] <happyaron> onlylove: 龙芯也是64位的
[15:24] <onlylove> happyaron: 我关心的是A57啊
[15:24] <happyaron> onlylove: 整个ARM/Linaro体系都是被苹果吊打的节奏
[15:24] <happyaron> ARM指那个公司
[15:24] <onlylove> happyaron: 我是说A57和龙虾3B啊
[15:25] <happyaron> onlylove: 还是完虐啊
[15:25] <onlylove> happyaron: 那么搓？
[15:25] <happyaron> onlylove: 3B是和3A一样的核心，挑体质好的胶水起来两个，提升一点主频
[15:26] <happyaron> onlylove: 所有性能提升，都在于主频提升
[15:26] <happyaron> 那么高功耗，性能被A8虐十倍不夸张
[15:27] <happyaron> A8的图形性能不止它10倍
[15:27] <onlylove> happyaron: 我记得末代水果貌似PPC900MHZ的，不比当时的P4差啊
[15:27] <happyaron> onlylove: 龙芯是同频率要比x86/arm64都差
[15:27] <onlylove> happyaron: 就那个台灯
[15:27] <happyaron> onlylove: 而且差很多
[15:27] <onlylove> happyaron: MIPS不是比ARM性能好么，这不科学啊
[15:27] <happyaron> onlylove: 龙芯实现得不好
[15:28] <happyaron> onlylove: 浮点数方面指令集各种bug
[15:28] <happyaron> 基本上不可用
[15:28] <onlylove> 果然马列主义没用
[15:28] <happyaron> 只能用32位o32 ABI
[15:28] <happyaron> onlylove: 看大华为和NUDT吧
[15:29] <happyaron> onlylove: 龙芯今年也会有大幅更新，但应该被华为NUDT吊打的节奏
[15:29] <happyaron> onlylove: 另外ARM64和ARM其实没那么多关系了
[15:30] <onlylove> happyaron: 华为不是公版核么
[15:30] <happyaron> onlylove: 公版核设计的时候它有参与啊
[15:31] <happyaron> onlylove: https://www.linaro.org/members/
[15:31] <happyaron> onlylove: 看 Core Members 的组成咯
[15:31] <^k^> ⇪ ti: Linaro members
[15:33] <happyaron> onlylove: A57出了继续被apple吊打
[15:33] <happyaron> 今天说了俩吊打，都是真心的吊打，不夸张
[15:34] <onlylove> happyaron: 都是ARM，差距咋这么大
[15:34] <happyaron> onlylove: 水平问题咯
[15:35] <happyaron> onlylove: apple的设计和实现领先ARM业内两年
[15:35] <happyaron> A7一出，就很难撼动了
[15:35] <onlylove> happyaron: 果然还是18摸聪明
[15:35] <happyaron> onlylove: 嗯？
[15:35] <onlylove> happyaron: 直接丢出个openpower啊
[15:36] <happyaron> onlylove: open不open，power的性能在数据中心级仍然无人能及啊
[15:36] <onlylove> happyaron: 国产龙虾不行，可以国产power嘛
[15:36] <onlylove> happyaron: 不是要去IOE么
[15:36] <onlylove> happyaron: 这一下I没去掉啊
[15:36] <happyaron> onlylove: 国产arm64/mips都会有，power不见得
[15:36] <happyaron> 哈哈
[15:37] <happyaron> openpower跟power7/8@那就不是一回事
[15:37] <onlylove> 可怜了索尼啊
[15:37] <happyaron> lol
[15:37] <onlylove> 弄个CELL玩不转
[15:37] <happyaron> sony最近各种受伤
[15:37] <happyaron> cell不就是阉割版power么
[15:37] <onlylove> 不过CELL是07年的事情了
[15:38] <happyaron> 恩呢
[15:38] <onlylove> happyaron: 不一样，我记得PS3的cell是1+8
[15:38] <onlylove> happyaron: 当然power的结构我不太清楚
[15:38] <happyaron> onlylove: power不是给了图纸给了工艺就能做出来的啊
[15:39] <happyaron> onlylove: 那真是人类cpu设计上的巅峰之作
[15:39] <happyaron> 尽管市场上被intel/arm打得满地找不到牙
[15:39] <onlylove> happyaron: 那不一样啊，最起码有图纸了，比起原来还要买来然后放大
[15:39] <onlylove> happyaron: 简单多了
[15:39] <happyaron> onlylove: 等学会了，arm性能早就超过这代power了
[15:40] <happyaron> 回头ibm不给你图纸了，肿么办？
[15:40] <happyaron> 或者ibm根本不继续搞这系列power了，肿么办？
[15:40] <onlylove> 丢给open玩啊
[15:40] <onlylove> power这东西太贵，intel还是沾便宜的光
[15:41] <onlylove> 就像SATA和SCSI一样
[15:42] <happyaron> onlylove: power也是软硬结合的，这点只有intel可以匹敌
[15:43] <happyaron> onlylove: power是cpu设计/代码/硬件工艺三种力量合力的
[15:43] <happyaron> http://tech.sina.com.cn/it/2014-07-10/07599486238.shtml
[15:43] <^k^> happyaron: ⇪ IBM将投30亿美元研发碳芯片技术复苏硬件业务|IBM|芯片_业界_新浪科技_新浪网
[15:43] <happyaron> 你看ibm搞得是啥
[15:43] <onlylove> 问题是，MS-DOS，IBM帮忙卖的，X86，IBM卖掉的……
[15:44] <onlylove> 说起来，虽然INTEL很牛，源头还是IBM
[15:44] <happyaron> x86专利过半来源于ibm
[15:44] <happyaron> onlylove: 你看现在的云计算、虚拟化、container技术，哪个不是人家玩坏了的
[15:44] <happyaron> 只不过时代变了，应用场景变了
[15:45] <happyaron> softlayer 才是世界上最大的IaaS提供商，amazon/google/rackspace都靠边
[15:45] <onlylove> 问题是丫的不赚钱啊
[15:45] <onlylove> 就和当年SUN一样
[15:45] <happyaron> onlylove: 丫的也死不了啊
[15:45] <onlylove> 噢，SUN死了……
[15:45] <happyaron> onlylove: 它靠专利就能养活
[15:46] <happyaron> z系列那东东，是能说去就去的么，你是财政部长，你敢么
[15:46] <happyaron> 工行挂给你看
[15:46] <happyaron> 看联想曙光等等谁敢接
[15:46] <onlylove> 不是那啥，新疆用K1了么
[15:47] <happyaron> 都是leaf系统
[15:47] <happyaron> 核心系统就一套，在软件园，工行软开里面
[15:47] <happyaron> z系列
[15:47] <onlylove> 我知道联想肯定不敢接
[15:47] <happyaron> 我是工行我不敢让曙光接
[15:47] <onlylove> 曙光和浪潮不清楚，不过浪潮软件不行
[15:47] <happyaron> 联想都比它强
[15:48] <happyaron> z系列的指标，真不是x86现在可以达到的
[15:48] <happyaron> 主要的都不是性能了
[15:48] <onlylove> 联想这几年混的比曙光还好？
[15:48] <happyaron> 服务能力强啊
[15:48] <onlylove> 好吧
[15:48] <happyaron> 银行要的就是有问题能最快速度解决啊
[15:49] <happyaron> 全世界第一个IaaS是啥呢，911之后IBM把那栋大楼里的所有他们客户的业务72小时内在自己机房恢复了
[15:49] <happyaron> 这尼玛全世界还有第二个公司行么
[15:49] <onlylove> 靠……
[15:50] <happyaron> 所有核心系统，不是全部业务
[15:52] <onlylove> 约等于全部业务了
[15:53] <happyaron> IBM 啥时候开始像现在大家这么玩RFID，2006年吧
[15:54] <onlylove> 问题是射频不好玩
[15:54] <happyaron> 不是说这事IoT的核心元件之一么
[15:54] <happyaron> 当年那智慧地球，现在翻译过来就是IoT
[15:55] <happyaron> Google没提cloud computing的时候，IBM的编译服务就是全球分布式调配的
[15:56] <happyaron> container技术sun什么的都已经玩坏了，现在lxc啥的，真比技术和产业里的应用，那就是渣渣
[15:57] <happyaron> openstack这么火，为啥全球数据中心x86虚拟化95%是vmware
[15:57] <happyaron> 一叶障目啊
[15:57] * happyaron 数据不准确撒，但大体吧
[15:57] <happyaron> onlylove: 啥感想
[15:58] <onlylove> happyaron: 但是vmware好像最近才拿第一？
[15:58] <onlylove> happyaron: 之前一直是citrix
[15:59] <happyaron> onlylove: 那些统计数据都是PR问题而已啊
[15:59] <happyaron> onlylove: Citrix 跟 vmware 在部署量上要差数量级的好伐
[15:59] * happyaron 买了license的可能citrix还挺多，vmware的没买够
[16:00] <onlylove> happyaron: 比方你这样的？
[16:00] <happyaron> 因为citrix买多少license就有多少机器能用HA，否则xha根本就没有
[16:00] <happyaron> vmware有了license之后ha没那么苛刻的限制，所以可以少买
[16:01] <onlylove> happyaron: 早知道我多给你呼啦几个vmware的串号
[16:01] <happyaron> onlylove: 你想呢，除了直接买了服务的，以及会被顶上的大型实体，否则买正版的有多少，国内外都一样
[16:01] <happyaron> lol
[16:01] <happyaron> 能被盯上的大企业，就自己包装Xen和KVM这类玩意儿，后来搞openstack呗
[16:02] <happyaron> 大企业节约成本的方式，小散跟着玩的话，玩好了有汤喝，玩不好就sb了
[16:03] <happyaron> sun的ldom为逃逸和虚拟机是一样的难度，而linux container的用户们还说container远不如虚拟机隔离好呢。那个“远”字是因为实现得远不够好。
[16:10] <onlylove> 败给猪一样的队友了
[16:10] <onlylove> happyaron: 我不是很看好container，但是现在流行，没办法
[16:18] <onlylove> happyaron: 小DD有没有好玩的新闻，比方说谁又被SYSTEMD坑了
[16:19] <happyaron> onlylove: 没啊
[16:19] <happyaron> onlylove: 我一次都没有真正被systemd大坑到
[16:43] <onlylove> 睡觉睡觉，明天做啥好……实在不想玩informatica了
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[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[06:58] <kycalica> new to Qt development, kinda confused if Qt Quick is the lingo for Qt desktop GUI app. Saw the examples but it looks like it uses javascript 0.o
[07:29] <davidcalle> Good morning :)
[07:39] <tekojo> kycalica: yes Qt Quick can use js for the logic, and yes it will run anywhere Qt runs
[08:06] <dpm> dholbach, mhall119 and alexabreu were having difficulties building a doc package for the HTML5 API docs, which is blocking the release of the new API site. We have a workaround, but it'd be good if we could use the package. Would you mind getting in touch with them when they're up to see if you can lend them a hand?
[08:08] <dholbach> dpm, will do - I'll have a chat with dbarth_ in #ubuntu-webapps
[08:08] <dpm> awesome, thanks dholbach
[08:08] <dpm> I can't recall which package it was exactly, but they should know
[08:49] <nerochiaro> balloons: ping
[09:25] <dholbach> hey jdstrand, any objections to uploading a new click-reviewers-tools to the archive?
[09:25] <dholbach> nerochiaro, it's 5:25 in the morning where balloons lives :)
[09:26] <nerochiaro> dholbach: ah thanks. it always confuses me when people leave their IRC clients on when they are not around
[09:27] <dholbach> yeah :)
[09:47] <dholbach> popey (and everyone): nice work getting the help app displayed more prominently :)
[13:11] <jdstrand> dholbach: no objection, but might hold off-- I'm finishing a big update for snappy today/tomorrow
[13:14] <sturmflut-work> The "official" Google+ web app seems to be broken with recent releases, can anyone confirm? I am not sure if I somehow screwed up during the initial account registration (mobile data was very unstable at that point) or if it is a general problem
[13:14] <dholbach> jdstrand, ok cool - thanks!
[13:46] <leouss4dev> hey anyone know how to add qrc file to "QML app with C++ plugin (cmake)" project ?
[13:49] <leouss4dev> hellooooo
[13:51] <sturmflut-work> leouss4dev: According to the documentation, there is a QT5_ADD_RESOURCES command
[13:54] <leouss4dev> yeah I added that but it's clearly that it's not included in the executable file after compiling so i can't use it there's some thing missing
[13:55] <sturmflut-work> leouss4dev: Sorry, no idea. Never tried it.
[13:55] <sverzegnassi> [UI question] Is there any UITK app that highlights an item in a ListView? (i.e. I'm not sure about this -> https://imgur.com/Yo8x3rn )
[13:56] <leouss4dev> ok thank you but do you know anyone can help me ?
[13:58] <sturmflut-work> leouss4dev: Most likely the Qt developers
[15:53] <POPkiller> hy ppl
[23:38] <leouss4dev> How to add qrc file to "QML app with C++ plugin (cmake)" project ? I can't find a working instruction. I found only one thing, add this to CMakeLists.txt: qt5_add_resources(RESOURCES modules/ProjectName/resources.qrc) with this the file is finally shown in the files tree in Qt but it's clearly that the file is not included in the executable after compiling so what to do ?
[23:43] <leouss4dev> is this a dead channel ? can anyone answer !!
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[00:57] <Noskcaj> It appears http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ is broken
[00:57] <Noskcaj> wgrant, That's one of your pages isn't it? ^
[01:01] <wgrant> Noskcaj: ajmitch knows that code better, I think, but I'll have a look if he doesn't.
[01:01] <wgrant> It was probably the dist-upgrade last week.
[01:01] <ajmitch> wgrant: I'll poke it & see
[01:02] <wgrant> ajmitch: The webapp was working fine at the time, but maybe the import script is unhappy.
[01:02] <wgrant> I didn't think to check that.
[01:04] <ajmitch> partly because it's so old & outdated
[01:10] <ajmitch> Noskcaj: fixed
[01:11] <wgrant> ajmitch: Thanks. What was the issue?
[01:12] <ajmitch> wgrant: using a python extension that linked to libapt_pkg for version comparisons
[01:13] <ajmitch> not something packaged, so it just needed to be rebuilt
[01:13] <wgrant> Ahh
[01:14] <wgrant> We ran into the same problem with LP a couple of months ago.
[01:14] <ajmitch> it's only about 10 years old
[01:15] <ajmitch> plus there was a script trying to run python2.5 (since 2.4 was just too old)
[04:02] <pitti> Good morning
[04:03] <pitti> hallyn: ah, the init.d script is broken and doesn't actually stop virtd? that needs to be fixed then indeed (or a proper unit added)
[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[07:26] * mgedmin wants to ask about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1384188
[07:33] <seb128> cyphermox, ^ it might be one for you? (updating gfxboot-theme-ubuntu with a new translations export)
[07:33] <seb128> mgedmin, ^
[07:51] <pitti> infinity: can you please remind me and mbiebl_: why do we need *both* the sysvinit (update-rc.d) and the systemd trigger update?
[07:56] <infinity> pitti: Different corner cases. Either one addresses the simple "policy compliant deb that calls update-rc.d but not invoke-rc.d" case, but each addresses different cases that aren't that.
[07:57] <infinity> pitti: sysvinit also covers the "install without a package, but use update-rc.d" case, and the trigger also covers the "install from a deb that doesn't use update-rc.d" case.
[07:57] <infinity> pitti: Neither one addresses every possible corner case (only fixing systemd itself could do that), but both together cover enough that it's probably "good enough for now".
[07:57] <pitti> infinity: ah, ok; the first case sounded a bit strange to me, but sure
[07:58] <pitti> infinity: but as the latter would be an RC bug in that particular package, I'm not sure how happy the Debian release team would be about such a change two weeks before the release; or did you already happen to talk to them?
[07:59] <infinity> pitti: I'll talk to them. The fix is (I think) obviously non-invasive and not regression-inducing. A tiny performance impact, but nothing worth fretting about (and a no-op on upgrades from wheezy, since systemd isn't running yet).
[08:00] <pitti> ack; I'll do the commit/upload then
[08:01] <infinity> pitti: Actually, I'm not sure the latter WOULD be a policy violation.
[08:01] <infinity> pitti: Policy says "However, it must not be assumed by maintainer scripts that this method is being used, and any automated manipulation of the various runlevel behaviors by maintainer scripts must be performed using update-rc.d as described below and not by manually installing or removing symlinks."
[08:02] <infinity> pitti: One could infer from that that if you wanted to install an init script that *doesn't* have rc.d symlinks and is only started/stopped by hand, you don't need to call upadte-rc.d
[08:02] <infinity> pitti: And systemd should still be aware of those scripts, so you can start them properly.
[08:03] <infinity> pitti: Later, there's a "should register with update-rc.d", but not a must.
[08:04] <infinity> pitti: So, yeah, I'd say it's not RC to ship an init script with no runlevel, just weird.
[08:04] <infinity> pitti: But having it fail to work would be RC, so...
[08:04] <mbiebl_> morning pitti, infinity
[08:04] <pitti> hey mbiebl_
[08:04] <mbiebl_> just checked all the packages shipping init scripts in the Debian archive
[08:05] <mbiebl_> i didn't find one which one installs without update-rc.d
[08:05] <infinity> mbiebl_: To be clear, I didn't think the trigger would be necessary for packages in the archive.
[08:05] <infinity> I just think it's still the right thing to do.
[08:05] * infinity shrugs.
[08:05] <mbiebl_> infinity: hm, k
[08:05] <infinity> (Well, it would have been necessary without the update-rc.d fix, but yeah...)
[08:05] <mbiebl_> right
[08:06] <mbiebl_> my impression from our discussion was, that we needed one or the other but not necessariliy both
[08:06] <mbiebl_> (btw, thanks for the sysv upload)
[08:06] <pitti> mbiebl_: so, I don't mind committing this to master if the RT agrees; it just feels way below RC to me
[08:09] <infinity> pitti: I think it's right from a point of view of "polish", which isn't always "RC" in the "completely broken" sense, but it still seems right.
[08:09] <infinity> pitti: But I can get a release ack before upload, if that makes you feel better.
[08:11] <mbiebl_> pitti: something else I wanted to discuss with you (and possibly didrocks) is the default-display-manager behaviour
[08:11] <mbiebl_> It just happened to me the other day, that I wanted to test a boot without graphical login
[08:11] <mbiebl_> so I ran systemctl disable gdm.service
[08:12] <mbiebl_> which did remove the display-manager.service symlink
[08:12] <mbiebl_> upon reboot, gdm was running though
[08:12] <mbiebl_> it took me a while to remember that the generator had created a start symlinks because of /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[08:13] <mbiebl_> and I don't think it should do that
[08:13] <mbiebl_> because /e/X/d shouldn't decide about the enabled/disabled state
[08:14] <mbiebl_> only about which one is the configured one if multiple are installed
[08:15] <didrocks> there are a lot of dms not transitionned in debian to use a systemd unit
[08:15] <didrocks> that would mean, there is no way to ensure not 2dms (a systemd ones and an init-only one) would not be started
[08:16] <didrocks> hence the whole work and discussion to have /etc/X11/default-display-manager as the source of truth
[08:17] <darkxst> didrocks, except that is just a bunch of packaging hacks currently, no?
[08:18] <mbiebl_> didrocks: it's ok to make /e/X/d decide which one is the configured default
[08:18] <didrocks> darkxst: the d-d-m setting default? It's not, it's a generator
[08:18] <pitti> well yes, obviously it'd be better to fix all the DMs in sid/vivid, but we aren't there yet (and freeze, etc.)
[08:18] <mbiebl_> but the generator should not automatically re-enable services which have been disabled by the admin
[08:18] <didrocks> mbiebl_: it's not if it's masked
[08:18] <didrocks> which was your latest request, that is implemented IIRC
[08:19] <darkxst> didrocks, isnt it generated by debconf?
[08:20] <pitti> the link is
[08:20] <didrocks> darkxst: it's a systemd generator, see above ^ we are not talking about the postinst thingy
[08:20] <pitti> the systemd generator turns that into unit config
[08:20] <mbiebl_> didrocks: I did remember that we discussed that a while ago and i think I mentioned the same issue back then
[08:21] <pitti> mbiebl_: still better IMHO than attempting to start two DMs
[08:21] <pitti> let's face it -- systemd can only do so much while we still have broken DM packages
[08:21] <didrocks> mbiebl_: you were ok at the time that masking would be sufficient
[08:22] <mbiebl_> pitti: two DMs are only started if you have a combination of native .service file and sysv init script
[08:22] <mbiebl_> only sysv init scripts -> all existing ones have the check for /e/X/d-d-m
[08:22] <didrocks> not nodm
[08:22] <mbiebl_> only systemd units -> only one can provide the symlink
[08:23] <mbiebl_> didrocks: nodm is broken, so I don't really care
[08:23] <pitti> mbiebl_: precisely that was the case, no? e. g. gdm + nodm
[08:23] <didrocks> well, that was one of the inputs to get it fixed though
[08:23] <didrocks> we got bug reports about it
[08:23] <didrocks> (doesn't impact ubuntu as we don't have nodm)
[08:24] <mbiebl_> if nodm doesn't check /e/X/ddm it's also broken under sysv?
[08:25] <darkxst> oh right, I see
[08:26] <mbiebl_> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=748668
[08:26] <mbiebl_> I don't see nodm mentioned there
[08:26] <mbiebl_> it's about mixing non-systemd enabled DMs like slim with e.g. gdm
[08:27] <didrocks> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770219
[08:28] <didrocks> didn't start because another dm was started through systemd IIRC
[08:28] <didrocks> (when doing some vm tests)
[08:28] <didrocks> this is quite months old, don't remember exactly
[08:28] <mbiebl_> doesn't look systemd specific
[08:28] <mbiebl_> as said, the nodm package just looks broken and I don't think we should model around that package
[08:30] <mbiebl_> didrocks: all I would do, if both a sysv DM is installed and a native systemd DM unit
[08:30] <mbiebl_> and the display-manager.service symlink exists but doesn't match /e/X/ddm
[08:31] <mbiebl_> is to runtime mask that service
[08:31] <mbiebl_> easy and simple
[08:31] <didrocks> I'll let you and pitti sorting it out, TBH, I'm a little bit tired about the bikeshedding around it
[08:31] <didrocks> there was a need, we addressed it, was almost RC for some
[08:31] <didrocks> if you want to drop it, ok
[08:40] <pitti> tjaalton: I think I might have found a likely candidate for your "bridge does not come up" problem, I followed up to bug 1430675 (one-second check)
[09:28] <pitti> cjwatson: hm, did the RTM upload target/machinery change recently?
[09:29] <pitti> cjwatson: on ubuntu-phone@ it was mentioned that the langpacks are out of date, and indeed https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/language-pack-touch-es is from March 24
[09:29] <pitti> cjwatson: but my cron build and upload logs show success (last log from yesterday), and the continued succession in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/+language-packs proves this too
[09:30] <pitti> nothing in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/14.09/+queue?queue_state=1 either
[09:30] <pitti> so it seems they are just silently getting rejected now?
[09:32] <tjaalton> pitti: oh, nice catch! sounds like it'll get fixed for me too
[09:32] <tjaalton> I don't have the rcS.d symlink
[09:32] <pitti> tjaalton: ah, you also don't have that link?
[09:32] <pitti> tjaalton: great, thanks for confirming! this seems to be a rather widespread plague
[09:32] <pitti> and it looks like it's already rather old, just got hidden by the networking upstart job
[09:33] <tjaalton> yeah
[09:33] <tjaalton> this install is 2,5y old
[09:35] <cjwatson> pitti: Not as far as I know.
[09:36] <cjwatson> Let's see what our logs say.
[09:37] <pitti> cjwatson: hm, I recently had to renew the gpg key validity for [email protected], I wonder if that's related
[09:37] <cjwatson> pitti: 2015-04-06 05:23:32 INFO Failed to parse changes file '/srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20150406-052225-005790/ubuntu-rtm/language-pack-touch-ast_14.10+rtm14.09+20150405_source.changes': GPG verification of /srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-queue/incoming/upload-ftp-20150406-052225-005790/ubuntu-rtm/language-pack-touch-ast_14.10+rtm14.09+20150405_source.changes failed: Verification failed 3 times: ["(7, 153, u'Key ...
[09:37] <cjwatson> ... expired')", "(7, 153, u'Key expired')", "(7, 153, u'Key expired')"]
[09:37] <cjwatson> pitti: Indeed. How recently did you do that?
[09:37] <pitti> cjwatson: on March 30 according to the file timestamps
[09:38] <pitti> I updated it on macquarie, I guess I also need to update it on Launchpad somehow
[09:38] <AntiSol> hello devs! I'm having a strange problem with patch and was hoping somebody could help: I'm trying to apply the patch from http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.ext4/18338. I did apt-get source e2fsprogs and saved the patch from that page. when I do 'patch -p1 < patchfile.patch' it tells me that it's patching the files but it doesn't make any changes to the files. I also tried patch --verbose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10771372/
[09:38] <cjwatson> pitti: Did you push it to keyserver.ubuntu.com?
[09:38] <pitti> ah! no
[09:38] <pitti> done now
[09:39] <cjwatson> pitti: Thanks, that should do the trick
[09:39] <pitti> cjwatson: so, sorry for the noise, thanks for pointing out
[09:39] <AntiSol> any ideas? I have checked that I have permissions, and patch gives a 0 return code. I have NFI what's going on
[09:47] <pitti> cjwatson: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x5E7C4A8E07EABA1B is updated, but I figure LP needs some time (cron?) to update its internal keys; I'll check tomorrow's cronned uploads then
[09:47] <pitti> (my immediate re-uploads didn't work yet)
[09:55] <cjwatson> pitti: There may be a cache between it and the keyserver, I forget.
[09:55] <pitti> cjwatson: don't worry
[11:33] <infinity> pitti: I got a "that seems sane" from adsb on both the sysvinit and systemd fixes, with the caveat that I ask KiBi, since it'll be a new udeb.
[11:33] <infinity> mbiebl_: ^
[11:33] <pitti> infinity: cheers
[11:33] <infinity> mbiebl_: Did you decide you needed a systemd upload for other reasons (the ddm thing) too?
[11:34] <pitti> infinity: it won't affect d-i/the udeb anyway, so that should be fine
[11:34] <pitti> infinity: yes, I've backported a few other nice and safe fixes too
[11:34] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, won't affect it except to trigger a respin if he's keeping d-i in sync with the archive.
[11:34] <infinity> pitti: Okay, cool, if the upload is happening anyway, please backport the trigger, then.
[11:34] <infinity> pitti: And we'll beg forgiveness from KiBi for the udeb churn. :)
[11:35] <pitti> infinity: already committed to git
[11:35] <infinity> pitti: Ta. When the upload hits, I can submit the unblock bug for both, if you like.
[11:36] <pitti> infinity: I'll send the systemd unblock, I can explain the other changes
[11:36] <pitti> infinity: and for that trigger part refer to your conversation with adsb
[11:49] <infinity> pitti: Alright, sysvinit unblock filed, I'll leave the systemd stuff in your capable hands.
[11:50] <infinity> pitti: PS, let's never deal with two distros in freeze at the same time again, it's irksome.
[12:03] <pitti> infinity: heh, tell me :)
[12:03] <infinity> jodh: golang-juju-loggo? Why the trailing "go"? No other go packages seem to do that.
[12:03] <jodh> infinity: that's it's name - https://godoc.org/github.com/juju/loggo
[12:04] <infinity> jodh: I suppose I'd also question why we need Yet Another Logger (there seem to be a couple already), but whatever. Tis the curse of a new language that everyone needs to NIH five times.
[12:10] <infinity> jodh: Your build-dep is on debhelper 9, but debian/compat is 7. Intentional mismatch?
[12:13] <rbasak> juju-loggo? What's this for, OOI? Juju itself bundles the dep.
[12:14] <infinity> rbasak: Given the uploader, I'm going to assume it's being used for something snaptastic.
[12:18] <rbasak> I wonder if there's anything we can do to avoid duplication. That might mean a huge amount of pain though :-/
[12:18] <jodh> infinity: that build-dep will be an oversight :)
[12:22] <infinity> rbasak: Stop using a language/ecosystem that promotes bundling and static linking as the norm? :P
[12:22] <rbasak> :-/
[12:56] <Mate> hi. how could i get debug symbols for upstart=1.5-0ubuntu7.2? it's missing from precise-updates on ddebs.ubuntu.com (but arm* is there)
[13:05] <infinity> Mate: The symbols do indeed seem to be missing, there's no way to get them back. But you could try -0ubuntu7.3 from precise-proposed, which does have symbols on all arches.
[13:06] <Mate> I have a core file to investigate
[13:27] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: Would you expect a "error: no suitable video mode found." from GRUB when booting the arm64 UEFI image with -nographic?
[13:27] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: Yeah.
[13:28] <Odd_Bloke> Great!
[13:28] <infinity> Odd_Bloke: We get the same misfeature on PPC, it's clearly a bug in both cases, but a mostly harmless one.
[13:30] <Odd_Bloke> That just leaves me with "error: file `/boot/grub/fonts/unicode.pf2' not found."; /boot/grub/unicode.pf2 exists, and I can't see any reason for grub to look in that particular directory.
[14:03] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I saw mention of PPC.
[14:04] <flexiondotorg> infinity, There is a serious regression in X for PowerPC :(
[14:05] <flexiondotorg> infinity, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1434036
[14:06] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89862
[14:08] <hallyn> pitti: well no, the /etc/init.d/libvirt-bin script *looks* correct. and sometimes it kills it fo rme. but often it does not. I haven't yet figured out why.
[14:29] <tjaalton> flexiondotorg: does startx work?
[14:30] <flexiondotorg> tjaalton, Good question. I don't know. I'll ask them to test that. My PowerPC test machine is at home so I can't test right now.
[14:33] <Odd_Bloke> infinity: And do we expect to get a pause before boot continues, when we see that error?
[15:15] <Riddell> tseliot: so d_ed pointed out a couple of issues with your displaystop patch :( you also say it needs to set /etc/X11/default-display-manager ? what's that used for and do you know what sets it in the lightdm package? all these postinsts and config files are hard to follow
[15:33] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: we know the cloud images have a mis-installed grub, that is being worked on
[15:33] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: but yeah, for now you have to press a key to continue
[15:35] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: I am, in fact, working on it. :)
[15:35] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: oh, didn't "real name" you - cool, thanks! let me know what i can do to help
[15:35] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: I've got to the point where we see an "error: no suitable video mode found." message, a (~10 second) pause and then boot continues.
[15:36] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: yeah - grub has a boot delay there, but you can hit esc to see the grub menu - make-it-boot-now
[15:36] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: So does what I've got sound like roughly what we'd expect?
[15:37] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: sounds like it
[15:37] <Odd_Bloke> OK, cool.
[15:37] <dannf> i think the only remaining open issue was to make the boot non-interactive by fixing the grub install
[15:38] <dannf> well - issue *for you* - i'm still working on fixing up various other bits for utopic/vivid, but that's all kernel
[15:38] <Odd_Bloke> I'll see if I can iron out some of the hackiness that I've got in place, but I expect vivid dailies will be fixed by the end of the week.
[15:38] <Odd_Bloke> (And probably other releases, but I'm only testing vivid ATM)
[15:38] <dannf> awesome!
[15:38] <dannf> yeah, utopic/trusty will need hand holding to boot even after the images are fixed. utopic should be fine after the next SRU cycle
[15:40] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: The "fs0:; cd efi; BOOTaa64.EFI" dance is still fine for "non-interactive" boot?
[15:40] <Odd_Bloke> (That is presumably the result of the BIOS that we're using, rather than the images?)
[15:40] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: oh, no - that needs to be repaired
[15:41] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: think about it in an openstack environment, where you can't talk to the vm until ssh is up
[15:42] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: So when the "The default boot selection" countdown hits 0, we should be straight in to grub?
[15:43] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: (Yeah, makes sense, I had just assumed that there was EFI/BIOS magic that did something something *waves hands*)
[15:43] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: yeah. it could be a problem w/ the bios image as well - but i thought they had the right entries
[15:43] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10774114/ is what I see.
[15:44] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: and then [1] fails i take it?
[15:44] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: Yep.
[15:44] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: http://www.linaro.org/app/resources/WhitePaper/VMSystemSpecificationForARM-v1.0.pdf
[15:44] <dannf> ^ that's what we're aiming for
[15:45] <dannf> so the "firmware" should be defaulting to boot "\efi\boot\bootaa64.efi"
[15:45] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: if manually running that works, and the firmware just isn't calling it correctly, then probably something to look at on our end
[15:46] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: from your "dance" commandline, it looks like it might be under \efi, not under \efi\boot?
[15:46] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, looks like we're creating \efi\bootaa64.efi
[15:46] <Odd_Bloke> :)
[15:46] <dannf> jinx :)
[15:46] <Odd_Bloke> /kick Odd_Bloke JINX
[15:47] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: OK, I'll get that in the right place and see if boot becomes non-interactive
[15:47] <dannf> cool - hope that's it :)
[16:06] <flexiondotorg> pitti, Anything I can do to help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/953875
[16:06] <flexiondotorg> pitti, See my comments 61 and 62
[16:29] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: Hm, if I enter the Boot Manager and Add Boot Device Entry, then I can boot using that option in the boot menu.
[16:38] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: you mean w/o moving it under 'boot\'?
[16:39] <flexiondotorg> Will anyone be piloting today?
[16:39] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: yeah - i'd expect that to work. but that wouldn't let us autoboot on someone else's complaint EFI firmware blob
[16:40] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: No, having moved it under boot; it still didn't work having moved it.
[16:41] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: The first option I have in the boot menu is "Linux (EFI stub) on virtio31:hd0:part0"; is that trying to load the kernel directly rather than go through grub?
[16:42] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: ah, maybe
[16:43] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: in that case, i think it's a bad fw blob. which blob are you using? i don't recall which one i suggested
[16:44] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: http://people.canonical.com/~vorlon/edk2-aarch64/QEMU_EFI.fd.native
[16:45] <dannf> oh, ok. i'll try to come up with a better one to test with.
[16:45] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: do you have a cloudimage build i can use to do that, or should i just wait for a daily?
[16:46] <Odd_Bloke> dannf: I'll push up something I've built locally for you, give me a minute.
[16:47] <dannf> Odd_Bloke: ack
[17:02] <tseliot> Riddell: grepping through the lightdm sources, I've found debian/lightdm.config which contains the following (stolen from xdm): http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10774657/
[17:03] <tseliot> Riddell: also, what I was saying is that my patch is useless since things won't work on log out anyway, as sddm won't restart X on logout
[17:20] <Riddell> tseliot: so it's based on X restarting which sddm doesn't do?
[17:22] <tseliot> Riddell: yep. So having a working login is the only thing we can get now (which is still better than a black screen)
[17:23] <tseliot> Riddell: and for that we simply need: 1) the default display manager file, 2) a slight change in gpu-manager (which I only have to upload), and 3) the DisplayCommand entry in sddm.conf
[17:25] <Riddell> tseliot: 3) is done, I guess I need to work out what this .config file is doing
[17:26] <tseliot> Riddell: it's just debconf black magic. I think a simple copy & paste should work
[17:30] <tseliot> Riddell: so, the .config file, and the relevant parts of .postinst and .prerm. You really can't miss them, as they have $DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE in them
[17:30] <tseliot> copy & paste those parts and it should work
[17:32] <mdeslaur> Riddell: can you test the fix for 1400730 please? Else, it will get superseded by a security update soon.
[17:32] <Riddell> bug 1400730
[17:33] <Riddell> ah yes that's been on my todo list for months
[17:33] <mdeslaur> Riddell: thanks
[17:38] <Riddell> tseliot: nothing there seems to create DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE it only does something if it exists
[17:44] <tseliot> Riddell: that's what the .config script does. I also forgot to mention the .templates file. This document explains how it works: http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html#AEN113
[17:46] <Riddell> tseliot: I think it's lightdm.postinst which makes the file
[17:47] <tseliot> Riddell: if it doesn't exist, yes: echo "$DAEMON_NAME" > "$DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE"
[17:47] <Riddell> right
[17:47] <tseliot> you need debconf only to ask the user if more choices are available
[20:43] <octoquad> Hi, for Remmina upstream patches, should this be provided as a debdiff or bzr branch for affected releases?
[21:56] <freyes> octoquad, it's up to the maintainer of the package, but they usually prefer a debdiff
[22:11] <infinity> dannf / Odd_Bloke: You shouldn't actually have to press a key to continue (despite the prompt claiming otherwise), it times out in a few seconds.
[22:12] <infinity> dannf / Odd_Bloke: If that's not true, it's not the bug I'm thinking of, but I'm pretty sure it it.
[22:12] <dannf> infinity: i think there are 2 bugs - one w/ the video error, the other due to a misinstalled grub spitting syntax errors
[22:13] <infinity> dannf: Ahh, the syntax error thing is different indeed. The video mode and "press any key to continue" bits, though, we see on PPC, and they're harmless, just annoying.
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-installer
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[14:28] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, I have a question about oem-config on the Ubuntu MATE 15.04 Rpi2 image when you have a sec. It so very nearly worked. Just want to pick your brain to see if it can be made to work correctly.
[14:34] <cyphermox> ok
[14:38] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, oem-config gui appeared, took input and completed. But when the desktop was due to be started I got a console with "Failed to start oem-config.service"
[14:39] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, I symlinked oem-config.target as default as we discussed yesterday.
[14:39] <flexiondotorg> Is there something more I should do to "fake" the prepared state?
[14:40] <cyphermox> well, you need to have oem-config installed
[14:40] <cyphermox> it's what will carry oem-config.service
[14:40] <flexiondotorg> oem-config-gtk and ubiquity-frontedn-gtk are installed.
[14:41] <cyphermox> otherwise when you boot, look at the output of systemctl status oem-config, it may be able to tell you why it failed to start
[14:41] <cyphermox> maybe there was something else it expected that wasn't there?
[14:41] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, I can't because the system has booted far enough to get tty to login 😞
[14:41] <cyphermox> oops
[14:41] <cyphermox> well, try again with the oem user
[14:41] <flexiondotorg> has not
[14:42] <cyphermox> you might need it anyway
[14:42] <cyphermox> you can also adjust the oem-config.target to [email protected] or something, so that you have a way of logging in
[14:42] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, OK. Can you point to the bit in Ubiquity that creates the 'oem' user so I can be sure I do it the correct way?
[14:43] <cyphermox> not off the top of my head, but it's a normal user AFAICT
[14:43] <cyphermox> just make sure it's in the right group for sudo access
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Like the [email protected] idea.
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Thanks.
[14:49] <cyphermox> you might want to make sure it's tty2, not tty1, as oem-config may be doing funny stuff with tty1
[14:49] <cyphermox> I know for sure it uses it for the text-mode oem-configf
[14:50] <flexiondotorg> debian/oem-config-udeb.postinst
[14:51] <flexiondotorg> Are these lightdm related?
[14:51] <flexiondotorg> set_question passwd/auto-login true
[14:51] <flexiondotorg> set_question passwd/auto-login-backup oem
[14:52] <flexiondotorg> Driven from ubiquity/plugins/ubi-usersetup.py
[14:54] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, BTW, do you need help testing any of the other install fixes you're working on?
[14:58] <cyphermox> ah, if you want to use lp:~mathieu-tl/+junk/vm and run multipath.sh, then try to install the updated multipath-tools from ppa:mathieu-tl/installer-dev that would be a second pair of eyes on that fix, and would help
[14:58] <cyphermox> yes, it's for auto-login
[15:01] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Will do. What is this testing/fixing exactly?
[15:02] <cyphermox> It's changing how the system would pick devices to boot for multipath, so not something to land this cycle, but it could be landing early in W provided it's tested enough
[15:03] <cyphermox> ie. making sure the picked device is the right, multipath one, from the UUID
[15:03] <cyphermox> rather than risking to pick just one of the paths
[15:04] <flexiondotorg> I'll have a play when I get home :)
[15:05] <flexiondotorg> What about these? Any testing I can do?
[15:05] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1436715
[15:06] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1359689
[15:06] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/953875
[15:24] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, ^^^
[15:24] <cyphermox> I don't have a fix for casper to catch the enter key yet
[15:25] <cyphermox> 1359689 needs someone with a nvidia card to re-test the latest kernel, see if the full-disk encryption passphrase prompt shows up properly (it doesn't here), but then also to test the mainline kernels for the same thing
[15:26] <cyphermox> as I recall, 3.19-rc1 and 3.19 did work, so it's possibly an issue with some sauce patch, but I haven't had time to try it again
[15:27] <flexiondotorg> I can try and test 1359689 on a cufty nvidia machine at home. Do I need nouveau or blobs?
[15:27] <cyphermox> the swap thing looks like it works here, but it would probably be best if kirkland and pitti checked it out to be sure
[15:27] <cyphermox> nouveau
[15:27] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, OK. I'll test that.
[15:28] <flexiondotorg> I'll test the swap thing now.
[15:28] <cyphermox> oh wait, I'm full of..
[15:28] * flexiondotorg waits...
[15:28] <cyphermox> I meant ATI
[15:28] <ogra_> ... chocolate ?
[15:28] <cyphermox> so, radeon, rather than fglrx
[15:28] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, OK I have crufty radeon machine too.
[15:28] <cyphermox> haha
[15:29] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Spotted a theme yet ;)
[15:29] <flexiondotorg> So, I'll test 1359689
[15:29] <cyphermox> lucky you, I don't think I have a nvidia system purposed for putting linux on it
[15:29] <flexiondotorg> As for the crypt swap, I'll test in a VM in a bit.
[15:30] <cyphermox> ok
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Everytime a family member gets rid of a computer I snag it.
[15:30] <cyphermox> thanks for the help, kinda busy with some networking bugs on touch right now
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> My newest computer is ~2008.
[15:30] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, No probs.
[16:03] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/953875 is a bigger issue with the change to systemd.
[16:03] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Now the system will have a massively delayed boot while it fails to mount swap.
[16:04] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Still an issue with todays daily.
[16:04] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, My comments are still relevant
[16:04] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/953875/comments/61
[16:05] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/953875/comments/62
[16:23] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Are you aware that using Ubuntu 15.04 (any flavour) to do a fresh install, using the whole drive in LVM mode on a EFI secure boot system, fails to boot after installation?
[16:23] <flexiondotorg> infinity, ^^^^
[16:28] <cyphermox> no, I did that last week and it was working ;)
[16:28] <cyphermox> I was planning on doing another soon
[16:28] <cyphermox> (ie. reinstalling my laptop prior to sprinting)
[16:39] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, So fixed in daily images?
[16:40] <cyphermox> maybe
[16:41] <cyphermox> I don't know, it depends if it's just a straight crypto install or if there is some other thing at play
[16:41] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, I'll get the user who is chatting to me to test a daily.
[16:50] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Sadly, this is still and issue in today's daily :( I've requested the bug is reported.
[16:51] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Not crypto used.
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"cyphermox",
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-ops
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[01:46] <akkad> Alan Cox causing issues again? *** Ban for *!*@zeniv.linux.org.uk
[03:10] <phunyguy> ...channel would help...
[03:33] <Unit193> Seems #fn is having a slight problem.
[19:41] <Unit193> !isitout
[19:45] * k1l_ checks his 15.04 install
[19:45] <k1l_> nope
[19:46] <Unit193> Mhmm, factoid miight need updated.
[19:51] <IdleOne> !no isitout is <reply> NOT YET!
[19:52] <IdleOne> better?
[19:52] <bazhang> I miss partybot
[19:52] <bazhang> ubottu party
[19:53] <IdleOne> I am pretty sure partybot still exists on the storage device of one or more ubuntu ops
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-us-oh
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[17:38] <jrgifford> Is anyone going to the ansible Devops meetup? http://www.meetup.com/DevOpsCLE/events/191856902/
[17:38] <jenni> [ Introduction to Ansible - DevOpsCLE (Cleveland, OH)- Meetup ] - https://j.mp/1c9eRTk
[17:39] <jrgifford> Looking at you thafreak ;-)
[19:57] <thafreak> ha, actually no
[19:57] <thafreak> I signed up to go long ago before a date was set
[19:57] <thafreak> turns out they picked a thursday, and thursdays generally don't work for me
[19:57] <thafreak> besides, it's on ansible, which I'm pretty familiar with
[19:58] <thafreak> everytime I go to an ansible talk, it's always covering stuff I already know :(
[19:58] <thafreak> if it were going to be talking about ansible for winblows...then I'd be there
[19:59] <thafreak> I'm working on using it to manage the handful of computers at my one client's location
[19:59] <thafreak> I'm actually kind of excited about it...
[20:00] <thafreak> I'd also rather go to a talk on saltstack, as I need to learn more about that for other projects
[20:00] <thafreak> jrgifford: let me know how the talk goes though
[20:01] <thafreak> I went to the last few, and the last one was on chef for windows, but it wasn't very helpful
[21:12] <jrgifford> thafreak: i might not go
[21:13] <thafreak> how come?
[21:14] <jrgifford> timing
[21:14] <jrgifford> thursday is typically when i do all my housework/shopping trips.
[21:18] <thafreak> yeah, but it seems to be the night when all the meet ups happen too
[22:05] <dzho> > everytime I go to an ansible talk, it's always covering stuff I already know :(
[22:06] <dzho> thafreak: that just means it's time for you to start *giving* ansible talks
[22:06] <dzho> "you're free, now go help the others"
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.650334
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-no
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[13:49] <lolcat> Hello
[13:49] <lolcat> Bør jeg oppgradere til 15.04?
[13:55] <Malinux> nei
[13:55] <Malinux> skal jo ikke nekte deg da
[13:57] <lolcat> funker zfs da?
[13:57] <lolcat> Eller drivere?
[14:00] <lolcat> fuu, zfs oppgradering nå
[14:00] <Malinux> er jo støtte for nyere hardware i nyere kjerner
[14:00] <Malinux> vet ikke status på zfs
[14:04] <lolcat> Hvis ting blir raskere vil jeg jo gjerne ha det
[14:04] <Malinux> da kan du jo bare installere en backportkernel i stedet :)
[14:09] <lolcat> jeg vil jo ha nyeste kernel
[14:27] <Blueking> hmm snodig har fått på plass ny fiberboks/hjemmesentral idag, meeeeen kom hjem fra jobb idag (dama slapp inn karen fra relacom), så har linux boksen med ny fiberboks likevel ikke kommet seg på nett og måtte kjøre service networking restart for å oppdatere config på eth0 og da fikk den ny ip adresse også
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.658256
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-ar
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[16:02] <Lacho> Hola
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.659314
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"Lacho"
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2015-04-08-#launchpad
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[00:00] <upsideout> so I can fill my 8 tb hardrives full of awesome software fo debian jessie and what nto
[00:00] <upsideout> for * not *
[00:01] <upsideout> wgrant, I know that a lot of things should always stay public but maybe I can private message you to tell you why
[00:01] <exobuzz> sorry - ignore me..
[00:01] <exobuzz> brain glitch...
[00:01] <upsideout> or maybe we can work on this together
[00:01] <upsideout> dosent matter I have to make it happen
[00:01] <exobuzz> hmm.. or not. it shows as deleted at least, but remains.
[00:02] <wgrant> upsideout: PM me if you need, but things that can be public should remain public, so others can help and be helped by the discussion.
[00:02] <upsideout> but I would like to work with the people close to the code to make a better eco system
[00:02] <wgrant> upsideout: I don't understand what you're trying to do.
[00:02] <upsideout> wgrant, so I have a debian autobuilder network
[00:02] <upsideout> just like debians in house one
[00:03] <wgrant> exobuzz: Deletions are not instantaneous.
[00:03] <upsideout> but i also want to be able to port things over to my auto build network from launchpad
[00:03] <wgrant> exobuzz: Files can take more than 24 hours to disappear once they're able to.
[00:03] <exobuzz> the delete was done 3 months ago
[00:03] <exobuzz> it still shows as deleted today.. but remains
[00:04] <upsideout> right so like fill the wanna build server from launchpad and also local
[00:04] <wgrant> exobuzz: Ah, you triggered a race condition.
[00:04] <wgrant> exobuzz: You deleted the source before the binary was published, so the initial delete in January didn't get the binary.
[00:04] <exobuzz> oh
[00:04] <wgrant> exobuzz: You seem to have just redeleted it now, which will have caught it.
[00:04] <exobuzz> so another deletion now will work ?
[00:04] <exobuzz> yeh
[00:04] <exobuzz> that's awesome - thanks for the help :)
[00:05] <wgrant> Yeah, source deleted three minutes after the build finished.
[00:05] <wgrant> So that explains it.
[00:05] <exobuzz> i uploaded to the wrong ppa and panicked.
[00:05] <exobuzz> :)
[00:05] <exobuzz> i should have been more patient - good to know for future
[00:05] <upsideout> always keep the best part back exobuzz :)
[00:06] <wgrant> upsideout: So, why can't you just fill your wanna-build database from the Sources files that Launchpad produces?
[00:06] <upsideout> not sure
[00:06] <upsideout> I am trying to brain strom
[00:07] <wgrant> I'm not quite sure that this needs brainstorming.
[00:07] <upsideout> I just got a couple of TB and thought that mirroring and what nbot would be fun
[00:07] <wgrant> There are well-known ways to get packages into wanna-build, and they don't require a special Launchpad API.
[00:08] <upsideout> so you are saying htat I should some how have the sources file from launchpad portied to may dir for reprepro ?
[00:08] <wgrant> If you want to build a PPA for Debian locally, it would make sense to import all the sources from the PPA into whatever local repository setup you use.
[00:09] <upsideout> like use the dirs to download the sources from te branch's into my reprepro source dir so they build on timer or whatever
[00:10] <upsideout> seems simple
[00:10] <upsideout> I was over thinking it
[00:10] <upsideout> not even sure why I was thinking postgre
[00:11] <upsideout> dsc or nothing lol
[00:11] <upsideout> s|nothing|bust|g
[00:12] <wgrant> Right, there's no need for any information that's not in the published repository on ppa.launchpad.net.
[00:12] <upsideout> so I just either need to know URL or something to get that
[00:12] <upsideout> the dsc or whatever
[00:12] <upsideout> I do not want a array that big so . .
[00:12] <upsideout> maybe a api ?
[00:13] <upsideout> could be wrong in my thinking again
[00:13] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[00:14] <wgrant> A file like http://ppa.launchpad.net/wgrant/ppa/ubuntu/dists/utopic/main/source/Sources tells you everything you need to know.
[00:19] <upsideout> got it thanks
[00:20] <upsideout> really thanks
[00:21] <upsideout> that is kinda what I meant by brainstorm
[20:21] <ianorlin> hi I am having trouble signing into launchpad from any text mode browser as it claims I am a bot when I am trying to report a bug with ubiquity not launching in virtualbox for lubuntu
[20:23] <dobey> i'm guessing those browsers don't properly support a feature which launchpad requires as part of a security check to ensure you're not a bot :)
[20:33] <sarnold> ianorlin: if you run ubuntu-bug manually on a terminal, it should give you the option of copy-and-pasting the url to a browser to fill in the text fields.. perhaps not as convenient as just having w3m work, but i tmight let you report the bug :)
[21:15] <ianorlin> sarnold: I haven't gotten that to work it says not found
[21:16] <dobey> sarnold: well if you have a DISPLAY it will just open your default browser too
[21:59] <sarnold> dobey: thanks, I couldn't recall the criteria it used to figure out if it hsould prompt you or just open the browser for you..
[22:01] <dobey> well if you don't have DISPLAY it might just open w3c or lynx or something
[22:01] <dobey> i think it just uses the python webbrowser.open() call, which runs sensible-browser, and if that fails you get the printout maybe?
[22:01] <ianorlin> dobey: I work around by installing openssh-server on the host and sftp the files to it on the host
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.663960
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2015-04-08-#kubuntu
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[06:02] <genii> hm
[06:05] <Silmarilion> Hi, I am using kde IM contacts for xmpp. For some reason after restart it wont automatically connect instead it has status offline. Any chance I can make it automatically connect?
[08:11] <q_zone> Is kde
[09:10] <yossarianuk> hi the network-manager tool 'nm-tool' is missing from 15.04 - is there a equivalent tool to find out what DNS server you are using ?
[09:10] <yossarianuk> i.e in KDE 4.x 'nm-tool |grep -i DNS' will show me my primary nameserver]
[09:10] <yossarianuk> can you do the same with plasma5.x
[09:19] <wuempe> hello, anyone know what it is? http://i.imgur.com/CDtMAH0.jpg
[09:20] <soee> wuempe: plasma active it seems
[09:21] <soee> wuempe: http://plasma-active.org/
[09:21] <soee> it teh lockscreen on the plasma active
[09:22] <wuempe> soee: did you know how to remove it?
[09:22] <soee> wuempe: you have it on your desktop ?
[09:22] <wuempe> yes
[09:23] <wuempe> apt-get remove kubuntu-active ?
[09:23] <soee> wuempe: might be try with --purge option
[09:23] <soee> but check if it wont remove some important packages
[09:23] <wuempe> apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-active kde-window-manager-active kubuntu-settings-active
[09:24] <wuempe> remove only this three packages
[09:24] <soee> yup
[09:24] <wuempe> ok, and logout to test ;)
[09:25] <soee> ;)
[09:31] <wuempe> :( remove this packages dont help
[09:40] <wuempe> ok, i remove this losc screen with: apt-get remove --purge kde-artwork-active libkwinactiveeffects1abi5 libkwinactiveeffects1abi5 libkwinactiveglesutils1 libkwinactiveglutils1abi3 plasma-active-default-settings
[09:46] <yossarianuk> hi - reading this http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-15-04-Launches-in-Two-Weeks-Will-Be-Based-on-Linux-Kernel-3-19-3-477904.shtml
[09:46] <yossarianuk> it looks like ubuntu 15.04 is going to be based on kernel 3.19.3
[09:46] <yossarianuk> does that mean BTRFS users are screwed ?
[09:46] <yossarianuk> i.e https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gotchas
[09:47] <yossarianuk> you need 3.19.4 + or you may have an unbootable system with btrfs
[09:59] <soee> yossarianuk: better ask on #ubuntu+1
[10:06] <yossarianuk> soee: thanks will do.
[10:13] <yossarianuk> 15.04 now seems fine for daily use (its on my work laptop - no stability issues)
[10:15] <soee> ;)
[10:23] <Walex> yossarianuk: Ubuntu kernels like those of major distros have dozens to hundreds of patches.
[10:24] <yossarianuk> Walex: i.e rthe fix may be backported ?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:04] <Konraj> Good afternoon BluesKaj
[11:05] <victor> hello! I'm trying to sync my iphone music to my computer but Clementine doesn't 'see' my iphone, any idea?
[11:13] <Moter8> Hi, anybody know a drop-down terminal for plasma5?
[11:13] <Moter8> I tried yakuake but that looks like it's from 2000
[11:13] <Moter8> In GNOME3.something I had used guake and that was quite nice
[11:14] <soee> Moter8: yakuake is the one
[11:14] <Moter8> but it looks terrible :(
[11:14] <soee> the defalt theme is notthing fancy but it uses latest konsole
[11:14] <soee> Moter8: what is ugly with it ? :D
[11:15] <soee> you dont need fancy decorations when working with command line
[11:15] <xennex81> but it can be very pleasant to have a nice transparent background :)
[11:15] <xennex81> the way all the elite hackers do :P
[11:15] <xennex81> lol
[11:15] <Moter8> not just the design
[11:15] <Moter8> but I mean, even the showing/hiding animation is ugly
[11:16] <Moter8> scrollbar doesnt use system one
[11:17] <soee> wel i have pretty good fadein + dropdown animation here
[11:17] <soee> and scrolbar fits plasma5 theme
[11:17] <soee> but the breeze theme is planned for it i think
[11:19] * BluesKaj doesn't see anything wrong with yakuake , it's a terminal , not meant to be eye candy :)
[11:21] <Moter8> both types of animations are terrible
[11:21] <Moter8> ask for WM to do it enabled or disabled
[11:21] <Moter8> BluesKaj, guake is eye candy.
[11:22] <Moter8> also, if "not meant to be eye candy" would be everybody's attitude we would be living in a non-gui world right now...
[11:22] <BluesKaj> oh goodness , Moter8 , you need to get out more :)
[11:22] <soee> well for me it is enough https://youtu.be/xblKd9VCURI
[11:22] <Moter8> huh?
[11:22] <soee> why woudl i want some eyecandy terminal :D
[11:23] <soee> code highligtnig, true but thats all
[11:23] <Moter8> same as using bash vs fish
[11:23] <Moter8> one is ugly and one is pretty
[11:23] <Moter8> eh, whatever
[11:23] <soee> :D
[11:24] <lordievader> My terminal is usually quite fancy :D
[11:25] <soee> lordievader: and you have have sexy girs in the bg ? :D
[11:25] <lordievader> Behind a semi transparent shell, sure :P
[11:25] <lordievader> Gotta have something to look at :P
[11:25] <BluesKaj> well , i do prefer black text on a white background for readability , but that's about it
[11:26] <soee> Moter8: can you show me some screen of teh terminal you like ?
[11:27] <Moter8> http://i.imgur.com/KhwLVFE.png soee
[11:27] <Moter8> from some months ago
[11:27] <Moter8> fish+guake
[11:29] <soee> but it has no any fancy look, decorations etc
[11:29] <Moter8> that's right
[11:30] <Moter8> :D
[11:30] <Moter8> no tabs, no title bar, no dumb arrows
[11:30] <Moter8> margin at the bottom so the text doesnt sit right at the monitor's edge
[11:33] <soee> oh infact there are 3 breeze themes
[11:33] <soee> nothing special but always
[11:34] <Moter8> http://i.imgur.com/ZDXKNue.png soee
[11:34] <Moter8> How yakuake looks now. 0 margin at the top, non-system scrollbar
[11:35] <soee> i like to have tabs etc
[12:53] <Voyage> I am using kubuntu, my desktop screen flickers sometime and gets stuck/held/no mouse-keyboard accessable then. My internet connection gets stuck (stays connected but does not works. this is not a fault of ISP. other devices work). I tried deleting .kde but no use. Using kubuntu 14.10 LTS fresh install.
[13:24] <Walex> Voyage_: looks like a disk issue, or perhaps a bug with some device that needs resetting. Have a look at 'dmesg | less'
[13:43] <Voyage_> Walex, disk issue? you man HDD?
[14:08] <Cenbe> This is going to get fixed before the 15.04 release, right? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343875
[14:09] <lordievader> Perhaps, upstream bug. Their release cycle isn't in sync with Kubuntu's.
[14:09] <lordievader> But I suppose 15.04 will get backports of newer KF5/plasma5 releases.
[14:20] <Guest2855> hola no puedo instalar programas desde muon discover
[14:20] <Riddell> !es
[14:20] <lordievader> !spanish| Guest2855
[14:21] <Riddell> o #kde-es possiblement
[14:22] <Guest2855> ok
[14:34] <davevanloo> would any one have a command set to move all file associations to kubuntu software?
[14:36] <soee> davevanloo: move ?
[14:55] <davevanloo> @soee sorry for late response, with move i simply ment that to make all file associations to standard KDE software
[15:12] <sithlord48> upgrading to vivid.. hopefully sddm starts (unlike on my netbook where i need to use startx)
[15:23] <Riddell> sithlord48: try systemctl enable sddm
[15:24] <sithlord48> Riddell: yeah that is what i ended up having to do on that machine.
[15:26] <sithlord48> does 15.04 have kde4 packages?
[15:46] <Riddell> sithlord48: not plasma 4 no
[15:46] <sithlord48> ok i thought so ..
[15:56] <sithlord48> Riddell: do you know anthing about building qt projects on Raspberry pi?
[15:58] <Riddell> nope
[15:58] <s_20> sithlord48: other than that, is it a smooth upgrade?
[15:58] <sithlord48> s_20: idk its still updating . i did a fresh install on my other machine
[15:58] <sithlord48> will let you know when it finishes s_20
[15:59] <s_20> thanks
[15:59] <sithlord48> Riddell: ok thanks anyway
[16:04] <yossarianuk> hi - is it possible to have multiple VPN connection in KDE using networ-manager ?
[16:04] <yossarianuk> *network-manager*
[16:04] <yossarianuk> it seems to drop existing connection when I connect to the 2nd one....
[16:11] <yossarianuk> I can connect to multiple vpn connections using the cli just not network-manager
[17:08] <sithlord48> s_20: install is finished about to restart..
[17:25] <sithlord48> s_20: upgrade seamed to work well. i did have to manually add sddm to systemd start up
[17:25] <sithlord48> s_20: and synergy seams to no longer autostart .
[17:28] <s_20> i suppose the systemd thing will properly get fixed by the time the release date comes
[17:28] <sithlord48> i would think so .. its not hard i just switched to a tty and enabled it
[17:28] <sithlord48> sudo systemctl enable sddm .
[17:29] <s_20> and thanks for telling me!
[17:29] <sithlord48> you are most welcome
[17:34] <sithlord48> i have one issue . when synergy start up i get an error that it can't access the system tray and will exit.. any idea how to fix that (it will start afterwards)
[17:45] <sithlord48> does anyone know where the session file file plasma 5 is ?
[19:32] <guest190> Hi all!
[19:34] <guest190> Need some help with black screen on plasma 5 kubuntu 14.10
[19:44] <guest190> ... still need help with black screen
[19:45] <MoonUnit`> try deleting .cache, but plasma5 isn't supported in 14.10.
[19:46] <guest190> tryed. no file
[19:49] <guest190> have working mouse pointer only on tty6
[19:51] <guest190> hmm) rm .cache and it work!
[19:51] <guest190> thankyou MoonUnit
[19:53] <guest190> and how to repair this bug?
[23:08] <gunndawg> Can I post a screenshot in here? Looking for opinions on more ways to modify my current desktop :)
[23:11] <dougl> no
[23:12] <genii> gunndawg: #kubuntu-offtopic would be more appropriate
[23:12] <gunndawg> genii: very well. thank you
[23:15] <dougl> gunndawg, i am curious - meet u in #kubuntu-offtopic
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.680204
| 2015-04-08T00:00:00 |
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-za
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[03:59] <Kilos> cremora minora
[04:28] <Kilos> 38mm vanaf 3.15 vanoggend inetpro
[05:07] <Kilos> hi Private_User
[05:07] <Kilos> ohi Tonberry
[05:07] <Tonberry> hi
[05:39] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[05:40] <pieter2627> morning Kilos
[05:45] <Kilos> ai! this thunderbird drives me mad
[05:48] <Kilos> i made a vcard from evolution then told TB to to import it
[05:49] <Kilos> it imports them as list.vcf but doesnt add them to my personal address book so i still have to find addresses
[05:49] <Kilos> grrrr
[05:50] <Kilos> now the pro will say RTFS
[05:50] <Kilos> ai!
[05:51] <Kilos> oh i have to do some export thing too
[05:51] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:08] <Kilos> pieter2627 how good are you with finding bugs in ubuntu
[06:08] <Kilos> fixing
[06:09] <pieter2627> Kilos: don't know - have never really tried it
[06:10] <Kilos> just asked because they are looking for more peeps in the bugsquad and that will definitely help towards membership
[06:15] <Kilos> but i suppose it will mean working on releases before they are officially released too
[06:22] <pieter2627> i don't mind test driving and working on alpha/beta releases
[06:23] <Kilos> read the mail i sent you
[06:23] <Kilos> or the weekly news letter link rather, maybe there is a link there to the bug peeps
[06:29] <pieter2627> yes there is (it is also on trello)
[06:30] <pieter2627> will read more this afternoon
[06:31] <Kilos> cool
[06:40] <pieter2627> Here's the state of by branch after merging from trunk - I've a pending merge tip issue. http://bin.snyman.info/yjt2j
[06:43] <Kilos> as soon as moppie has sorted what he must then fly will get to yours
[06:45] <pieter2627> oh, that is what fly meant - misunderstood his comment
[06:46] <pieter2627> will wait for moppie's missing pages/images
[06:46] <Kilos> fly likes things to be perfect thats why he reviews everything first then once he is happy with it he merges
[06:47] <Kilos> where is this comment
[06:47] <Kilos> i read in trello this morning but maybe missed something
[06:47] <pieter2627> understandable - am a semi-perfectionist as well
[06:47] <Kilos> good keep it up
[06:47] <pieter2627> https://code.launchpad.net/~pieter2627/ubuntu-africa/jumbrotron-edits/+merge/255225
[06:48] <Kilos> did you make a branch off trunk?
[06:49] <Kilos> i thinks thats what he wants
[06:50] <Kilos> so go trunk/pieter i think he will be happier
[06:51] <Kilos> i think this site will be a hit
[06:52] <Kilos> im gonna advertise it in the councils and the pro can g+ and tweet it
[06:52] <Kilos> so it must but perfect
[06:53] <Kilos> peeps must look at add to thing and say wow thats kinda impossible to beat
[06:54] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:55] <Kilos> and nuvolari and Squirm
[07:04] <Kilos> hi barrydk
[07:13] <barrydk> More almal. Kilos
[07:14] <pieter2627> Kilos: will do
[07:14] <Kilos> cool
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[07:43] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[07:44] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:49] <Private_User> Hi Kilos
[07:49] <psyatw> hi Private_User
[07:50] <Private_User> hi psyatw
[08:11] <TinuvaMac> morning Kilos
[08:11] <TinuvaMac> today I beat you to it
[08:11] <Kilos> lol hi TinuvaMac
[08:14] <Kilos> what havent you done yet?
[08:19] <TinuvaMac> many things
[08:19] <Kilos> well do them man
[08:21] <Kilos> starting with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[08:53] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[08:53] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[09:07] <Kilos> hi mazal
[09:07] <mazal> Hi everyone
[09:08] <Kilos> yo drussell
[09:16] <magespawn> hi mazal
[09:21] <magespawn> Kilos: what is with the 'yo'?
[09:22] <Kilos> if you cant beat them join them
[09:22] <magespawn> hah
[09:22] <Kilos> i get hey from all over the world
[09:23] <Kilos> even asia
[09:23] <Kilos> amazing what influence american movies have had on the world
[09:32] <magespawn> i was not sure if that was down to american culture or not
[09:32] <Kilos> lol
[09:33] <Kilos> ya man even bruce willis says hey in the movies
[09:37] * drussell waves to Kilos
[09:38] <magespawn> i think maybe that was said before, but i can't be sure
[09:38] <drussell> Kilos: he also says "Yippee ki-yay, motherf***er!" ;o)
[09:39] <Kilos> lol
[09:39] <drussell> but my favourite line is "welcome to the party pal" :oD
[09:39] <Kilos> he has actually made some very good movies
[09:40] <drussell> 5th element
[09:40] <drussell> still looks good for scifi standards even today, and it's getting on a bit in movie terms
[09:41] <magespawn> now if that is not giving away your age i don't know what is
[09:41] <Kilos> lol
[09:41] <inetpro> good mornings to everyone
[09:41] <inetpro> oh and that includes a hey to oom Kilos as well
[09:42] <Kilos> good morning inetpro
[09:42] <Kilos> lurker
[09:42] <Kilos> i see you guys were busy after i went to bed
[09:43] <Kilos> i like the dedication
[09:44] <magespawn> drussell: 1997
[09:45] <magespawn> Starship Troopers?
[09:48] <drussell> magespawn: ooh another good call
[09:59] <Kilos> actually come to think of it, i havent got a hey from germany yet
[09:59] <Kilos> they seems to be immune to tv/movie brainwashing
[10:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[10:25] <Kilos> inetpro you think you can get moppie going tonight?
[10:25] <Kilos> motivate help and encourage
[10:26] <Kilos> haha you and the trello thing
[10:49] <Symmetria> http://photoshots.co.ke/engagements_more.php?Page=1&id_engagement=37
[11:15] <magespawn> Symmetria: congratulations!
[11:52] <Kilos> hi lin
[11:54] <lin> Hey kilos
[12:35] <Kilos> wow magespawn half the day you been here already, well done
[12:54] <inetpro> ai!
[12:57] <magespawn> no connection problems today, but now i have to go. chat later
[12:59] <Kilos> ok inetpro wat het jy nou gebreek
[13:01] <inetpro> Kilos: nee jy
[13:01] <Kilos> wat het ek gebreek
[13:01] <inetpro> jy en mazal praat nie meer nie?
[13:01] <Kilos> ai!
[13:02] <inetpro> en jy te stil vandag
[13:02] <Kilos> bietjie gele, slegte nag
[13:03] <Kilos> wb TinuvaMac
[13:03] <Kilos> remind me tomorrow ill rattle his ears
[13:04] <Kilos> all these late night take their toll on ballies
[13:04] <Kilos> nights
[13:05] <Kilos> oh and your stupid thunderbird
[13:39] <Kilos> inetpro miskien moet jy gou huis toe gaan
[13:39] <Kilos> lyk soos groot goed aan din komst
[13:39] <Kilos> die
[13:40] <Kilos> miskien ak verby jou
[13:44] <Kilos> lyk of dit van die suide af kom
[13:48] <Kilos> ohi Xethron where you been
[13:49] <Kilos> we waiting for you to fill in your info here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[13:59] <inetpro> Kilos: uh oh!
[13:59] <inetpro> getting very dark here now
[13:59] <Kilos> either go now or wait for it to pass
[13:59] <Kilos> might take long though
[14:00] <inetpro> too late now, I wait
[14:00] <inetpro> Kilos: btw, did you ask something about peeps joining ubuntu-za the other day?
[14:00] <Kilos> most likely
[14:00] <Kilos> other day was other day
[14:00] <inetpro> not sure whether I responded
[14:01] <Kilos> yaya mostly you ignore me
[14:01] <inetpro> ai!
[14:01] <Kilos> lol
[14:02] <Kilos> oh ya how do peeps join launchpad ubuntu-za
[14:02] <inetpro> just go to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za
[14:02] <Kilos> ty sir goosie
[14:02] <inetpro> ask pieter2627 what he did
[14:03] <Kilos> lol
[14:03] <inetpro> he's part of "Latest members" now
[14:03] <Kilos> i see
[14:03] <Kilos> we should put a join button there
[14:04] <inetpro> isn't it there?
[14:04] <inetpro> but obviously only if you're not a member yet
[14:04] <Kilos> oh
[14:04] <Kilos> no wonder i cant find it
[14:05] <inetpro> ai!
[14:05] <Kilos> more dark stuff coming from the south
[14:06] <inetpro> raining here now
[14:06] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:08] <Kilos> wow just got an sms from telkom . bring friends to telkom mobile and get a months free data
[14:09] <Kilos> Private_User go join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-za man
[14:11] <Private_User> Hi Kilos, I think I did but not sure which details I used, let me go check and update those details
[14:11] <Kilos> we dont mind if youre in tongaat or prieska
[14:11] <inetpro> Kilos: if you open the link with another browser you see a link at the top right "Join the team"
[14:11] <Kilos> let me know
[14:11] <Kilos> aha
[14:14] <Kilos> hmm... can it be opera browser doesnt want me to join
[14:14] <Kilos> hehe
[14:14] <Kilos> too late sucker
[14:20] <pieter2627> Kilos: like inetpro said, there will be a join button where it list the number of current members
[14:20] <Kilos> ty pieter2627 i wondered because i dont see it
[14:21] <inetpro> Kilos: you really want to join again?
[14:22] <Kilos> nono man but i like to see things if i must help others
[14:22] <Kilos> i would never join this bunch again if you paid me
[14:22] <Kilos> now its too late
[14:22] <pieter2627> It will be exactly where it currently says "You are a member of this team."
[14:23] <Kilos> aha dankie
[14:23] <inetpro> Kilos: they say, "Don’t be afraid to start over. It’s a brand new opportunity to rebuild what you truly want."
[14:23] <pieter2627> Also where it says 'Leave the Team' - which is something Kilos should not experiment with :P
[14:23] <inetpro> Author Unknown
[14:23] <Kilos> lol
[14:24] <inetpro> :-)
[14:24] <Kilos> if i leave i can get lots of sleep
[14:24] <Private_User> hmm... looks like I registered to the mailing list using Private_User and also registered as Private User
[14:24] <pieter2627> Who would want to sleep in day time...
[14:25] <Kilos> Private_User now go fill in here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[14:25] <Kilos> please
[14:26] <Kilos> i worked hard to make that wiki page
[14:26] <Kilos> and pro worked harder to fix it
[14:26] <Private_User> ok Kilos will do but I think I also gonna create another account with my personal details
[14:26] <Kilos> thats fine Private_User
[14:27] <Private_User> Kilos: so its fine to have anonymous details?
[14:28] <Kilos> well if you must you must but how does one become friends with mr anonymous
[14:28] <Kilos> if the law is after then ok
[14:29] <Private_User> lol
[14:29] <Private_User> ok I will create a new one
[14:29] <Kilos> cool
[14:35] <kulelu88> Does anybody know how to setup gnupg?
[14:35] <Kilos> hi kulelu88
[14:38] <kulelu88> hello
[14:41] <Kilos> Maaz google how to setup gnupg
[14:41] <Maaz> Kilos: "Getting Started - GnuPG" https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/c14.html :: "Using the GNU Privacy Guard: Installation - GnuPG" https://www.gnupg.org/(it)/documentation/manuals/gnupg/Installation.html :: "First steps - where do I start, where do I begin? (Setup GPGTools ..." http://support.gpgtools.org/kb/how-to/first-steps-where-do-i-start-where-do-i-begin-
[14:41] <Maaz> setup-gpgtools-create-a-new-key-your-first-encrypted-mail :: "Pine Privacy Guard: HOWTO Set…
[14:41] <Kilos> eish more keys
[14:42] <kulelu88> it says I must use my full name
[14:42] <Kilos> why
[14:45] <kulelu88> I don't know
[14:47] <Kilos> well if it is using your pc as its base for setting keys the name you login with should work
[14:47] <Private_User> Kilos: you know I hate reading so anything I should be aware of regarding terms and conditions?
[14:48] <Kilos> wait a bit Private_User ive got a copying progress thing covering what you said and i dunno where it hide button went
[14:48] <Kilos> maybe inetpro or pieter2627 can answer you
[14:49] <Kilos> i thought anyone can edit wiki pages
[14:49] <Kilos> oh lo, no
[14:51] <Kilos> ignore them Private_User and walk on by
[14:51] <Private_User> ok I have clicked create account now
[14:54] <pieter2627> Can't remember if I even read the T&C when i created my account a few years back
[14:54] <kulelu88> if that was the case, they would be defaced daily
[14:54] <kulelu88> by bots of course
[14:56] <Kilos> terms and conditions are by the launchpad thing hey
[15:00] <Kilos> kulelu88 what wants your full name?
[15:00] <Kilos> the gnupg thing
[15:02] <kulelu88> aah okay I know why now
[15:03] <kulelu88> but doesn't matter
[15:03] <Kilos> explain so i also know
[15:03] <kulelu88> this weather is kak
[15:03] <kulelu88> Giving your full name is about creating identifiable trust in the emails
[15:03] <Kilos> ah
[15:03] <kulelu88> if you are Kilos and you use Kilos as your name, I can also go make an email and use the alias Kilos
[15:04] <Kilos> ok
[15:04] <kulelu88> using a private domain should address this issue, as nobody else can create email addresses on it
[15:05] <Kilos> only thing you wont be able to send mail with my addy
[15:06] <kulelu88> ja, but now if you are Kilos I could easily pretend I am you
[15:06] <kulelu88> but if you are : [email protected] then I can't create a kilos.co.za email address
[15:06] <Kilos> to do what if you cant send with my address
[15:07] <kulelu88> I can spoof if though
[15:07] <Kilos> mine is @ubuntu.com
[15:12] <Kilos> if thats not secure from naughty peeps nothing is
[15:22] <inetpro> hmm...
[15:22] <inetpro> sounds like a twisted sense of security
[15:23] <Kilos> uh oh
[15:23] <inetpro> having a @ubuntu address has nothing to do with security
[15:24] <Kilos> how can anyone na aap that
[15:24] <kulelu88> turns out, you cannot spoof the header because that is not part of the encryption
[15:24] <inetpro> ai!
[15:24] <Kilos> dont ai! explain
[15:29] <Kilos> now hes googling again sigh
[15:30] <kulelu88> who
[15:30] <Kilos> pro
[15:31] <Kilos> then he gives me a pile of links to try get through
[15:31] <Kilos> and he knows i dont do RTFS very well
[15:31] <Kilos> i only got std 6
[15:32] <kulelu88> for real?
[15:32] <kulelu88> yoh
[15:32] <Kilos> no man
[15:32] <kulelu88> grade 8 :O
[15:32] <Kilos> im just blind
[15:33] <Kilos> and stupid
[15:33] <Kilos> i dunno grades
[15:35] <Kilos> oh is grade 8 same as standard 6
[16:24] <Kilos> ohi superfly
[17:25] <Kilos> now he know im stupid kulelu88 dont talk to me anymore
[17:29] <Kilos> Maaz seen mopkop
[17:29] <Maaz> Kilos: mopkop was last seen 21 hours, 59 minutes and 46 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2015-04-07 21:29:20 SAST], and has been offline on freenode since 2015-04-08 00:11:39 SAST
[17:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[17:35] <pieter2627> uh slim oom Kilos :), is enige van die za lede deel van die 'One Hundred Papercuts' projek?
[17:35] <Kilos> nee ek glo nie
[17:36] <Kilos> paper cuts hurt
[17:37] <pieter2627> haha, it's one of Ubuntu's bug fixing projects
[17:37] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:37] <Kilos> is jy al in daar?
[17:38] <Kilos> moet net nie dink jy kan daar kwaai betrokke raak ens on afskeep nie hoor
[17:39] <Kilos> hi octoquad
[17:39] <octoquad> evening
[17:39] <Kilos> long time no see
[17:40] <pieter2627> nee, wil kyk om jul te join (ek is iemand wat meer daarvan hou om goed reg te maak as om inligting vir n bug te kry) so probeer vind of hul n IRC channel het
[17:40] <Kilos> octoquad dont you want to add you here please https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members
[17:40] <Kilos> vra net
[17:40] <octoquad> yeah, been really busy the last few months. Glad to be back.
[17:40] <octoquad> Sure i'll add myself now
[17:41] <Kilos> ty
[17:41] <pieter2627> jy't gevra ek moet na die bugSquad kyk, so jou skuld as ek dit te veel geniet :P
[17:41] <Kilos> lol
[17:41] <Kilos> ooops
[17:42] <Kilos> i was thinking of you man, if you can fix bugs for 6 months or so then ubuntu membership should be easy
[17:45] <pieter2627> oh, so what would you say is the best reason to apply for membership?
[17:45] <Kilos> they give you a sjambok
[17:45] <Kilos> then you can rule the roost
[17:47] <pieter2627> really... hope it is covered wit Win logos so that i can show all what a pain in the butt it is
[17:47] <Kilos> there are actually quite a few benefits but imo the stisfaction of being part of such a project is worth lots
[17:47] <Kilos> pieter2627 /j #ubuntu-bugs
[17:48] <Kilos> oh you can get a certificate signed by mark shuttleworth as well
[17:49] <Kilos> if the post office doesnt steal/lose it
[17:49] <pieter2627> it's the IRC for bugSquad - you think they might be able to help with the paper cuts proj?
[17:50] <Kilos> first get to know the guys and see who does what
[17:50] <Kilos> if that is an ubuntu bug there will be someone
[17:50] <Kilos> i think they allocate bugs
[17:50] <octoquad> pieter2627, it's quite fun, I fixed my first nautilus bug back in Feb, first time fixing a bug ever! :)
[17:51] <octoquad> I don't mind helping to get you started as well
[17:51] <Kilos> cool ty octoquad
[17:52] <pieter2627> octoquad: yea sure (for normal bugs?)
[17:53] <octoquad> what are normal bugs? lol
[17:53] <octoquad> what is your favourite project?
[17:53] <Kilos> lol the easy to fix ones
[17:53] <octoquad> or application that you would like to contribute to?
[17:54] <octoquad> if you don't have any then, easy bugs are normally the best way to start, I think papercuts would be good.
[17:54] <octoquad> Kilos, I thought so
[17:54] <octoquad> :)
[17:55] <pieter2627> normal meaning not a papercut bug (these are annoying easy to fix bugs according to the wiki that are handled by the above mentioned proj)
[17:55] <Kilos> just ask in the bug channel if anyone has been allocated that bug, and offer your services if not
[17:55] <Kilos> or ask them what procedures they follow
[17:55] <octoquad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved
[17:56] <octoquad> If you not keen for papercuts, then look for triaged bugs, they should have enough information for a developer to work on.
[17:57] <inetpro> mooi!
[17:57] <octoquad> join #ubuntu-bugs and #ubuntu-devel as well
[17:58] <pieter2627> no I'm keen for papercuts (they also seem to be running behind)
[17:58] <octoquad> is it me or is the wiki still so slow after so many months
[17:58] * pieter2627 is reading the link
[17:59] <octoquad> pieter2627, :)
[17:59] <Kilos> octoquad pieter2627 maybe you guys can form a team
[18:00] <Kilos> and both apply for membership same time
[18:00] <octoquad> membership for?
[18:00] <Kilos> ubuntru membership
[18:00] <octoquad> ah
[18:00] * inetpro would love to see as many peeps from #ubuntu-za killing bugs as possible
[18:01] <Kilos> look at the flys nick in your nicks section octoquad
[18:01] <Kilos> did you miss him applying even?
[18:02] <octoquad> ay, look at you guys! well done! :)
[18:02] * Kilos bows
[18:05] <octoquad> would you like me to re-organize the list by name (a-z)
[18:06] <Kilos> that would be cool ty octoquad
[18:14] <inetpro> no
[18:14] <Kilos> no?
[18:14] <inetpro> why a-z when we did by date?
[18:15] <Kilos> oh sorry pro
[18:15] <Kilos> octoquad ^^
[18:15] <inetpro> I'm asking?
[18:15] <octoquad> for South African Ubuntu Enthusiast and Community Members
[18:15] <octoquad> ?
[18:15] <inetpro> s/?//
[18:15] <Kilos> i dont mind anyway
[18:16] <Kilos> all i want is everyone there
[18:16] <inetpro> ideally would be nice if we can have a list that can be sorted dynamically
[18:16] <Mopkop> Hello!
[18:16] <Kilos> hi Mopkop
[18:16] <Mopkop> What did I miss?
[18:16] <inetpro> wb Mopkop
[18:16] <Mopkop> I was suppose to do something?
[18:17] <Mopkop> *supposed
[18:17] <Kilos> yes check trello please
[18:17] <inetpro> Mopkop: not just one thing
[18:17] <Kilos> of the site stuff
[18:17] <Kilos> fly gave you something to sort
[18:17] <Mopkop> Ok, let's start at the top.
[18:18] <octoquad> inetpro, I like that idea
[18:18] <kulelu88> ping
[18:20] <octoquad> ok done
[18:20] <inetpro> kulelu88: pong
[18:21] <inetpro> octoquad: you forgot something
[18:22] <kulelu88> time to test my emails.
[18:22] <inetpro> octoquad: your own details
[18:22] <inetpro> oops... it;s there, sorry
[18:22] * octoquad brings glasses for inetpro
[18:23] <octoquad> :D
[18:24] <kulelu88> octoquad: hello mate, are you new?
[18:24] <kulelu88> you're using neotel, must be new
[18:25] <Kilos> haha
[18:28] <octoquad> lol, no we ditched our metro for neotel fibre
[18:28] <Kilos> kulelu88 go add you here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Members then youll see
[18:29] <Mopkop> Hello octoquad! Pleased to meet you!
[18:29] <kulelu88> is the internet slow for you guys? This shit is extra slow for me today
[18:29] <kulelu88> lag like it's dialup
[18:29] <Kilos> mine is ok
[18:29] <Mopkop> Yes, Internet slow here too.
[18:30] <Kilos> you adsl peeps
[18:30] <kulelu88> octoquad: is durban also cold?
[18:30] <pieter2627> The wiki seems to be slow when logged in for some reason
[18:32] <Kilos> pieter2627 dont let us lose you to the bu squad now hey
[18:32] <Kilos> bug
[18:33] <octoquad> Hi Mopkop :)
[18:33] <Mopkop> bzr is not giving me a hard time again :(
[18:33] <Kilos> inetpro help him please
[18:33] <octoquad> kulelu88, no the weather is pretty warm
[18:34] <kulelu88> things are getting kak here
[18:34] <Mopkop> I think it is gedit giving problems
[18:35] <Kilos> i think pro uses kate
[18:35] <Kilos> i use nano
[18:35] <kulelu88> real nix users use vim
[18:35] <Kilos> we need to konvert you to kde
[18:36] <Kilos> oh maybe pro uses vim ya
[18:36] <Kilos> i dont like it
[18:36] <Mopkop> NO, I like Unity. And vim gives me headaches.
[18:36] <pieter2627> kulelu88: you in prt?
[18:37] <pieter2627> what is wrong Mopkop?
[18:37] <octoquad> I use sublime-text, but vim for editing on the cli
[18:37] <Mopkop> pieter2627: bzr: ERROR: The file id "conf.py-20141218195836-h3f6lblxqhda911o-1" is not present in the tree <Inventory object at 7f906dd108d0, contents='{}'>
[18:38] <Kilos> arent you in the wrong branch?
[18:38] <Mopkop> hmmm...
[18:38] * pieter2627 thinks that is way over his head
[18:38] * Kilos guessing
[18:39] <Mopkop> Kilos: I don't think so?
[18:40] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:40] <Kilos> then where is that file
[18:40] <pieter2627> wait 'conf.py' seems like nikola's conf file
[18:40] <Kilos> octoquad go see https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[18:40] <Mopkop> pieter2627: Yes, I edited it to put in the menus things.
[18:40] <Kilos> thats what we all busy with
[18:41] <Mopkop> octoquad: sublime-text looks nice. Does it support reStucturedText?
[18:41] <Mopkop> We work with that a lot around here.
[18:42] <pieter2627> Mopkop: from the date behind it I can only guess that a revision instance of it is missing - maybe try update
[18:43] <Mopkop> Hmmm, let's try that.
[18:43] <kulelu88> pieter2627: weirdly, I think there are more Pretorians here than joburgers. This is really a sleepy town
[18:43] <Kilos> lol
[18:45] <pieter2627> kulelu88: haha
[18:45] <Kilos> ptown is growning
[18:45] <Mopkop> Let me just branch all over again...
[18:45] <octoquad> Ta Kilos
[18:46] <Kilos> yw
[18:46] <octoquad> Mopkop, yes, many languages: Also see: www.packagecontrol.io
[18:46] <kulelu88> 1 guy once told me ... An "outing" or "weekend event" in Pretoria involves a braai and some beers. In Joburg, it involves 3 malls, 4 clubs and coming home at 11am
[18:46] <Kilos> lol
[18:46] <octoquad> Mopkop, sorry meant https://packagecontrol.io/
[18:48] * pieter2627 is now confused as to whether kulelu88 think jhb or prt as a sleepy town
[18:49] <Kilos> jhb
[18:49] <Kilos> i grew up in ptown and we jolled
[18:49] <kulelu88> Where can we find a detailed history of Pretoria? such a fascinating town, but so little to learn/explore
[18:50] <kulelu88> isn't oom Jan there in Church square? :D
[18:50] <Kilos> oom paul
[18:50] <Kilos> oom jan in the cape i think
[18:51] <Mopkop> ugh...
[18:52] <pieter2627> There are a lot of things in prt - interesting fact: the captivated leopards was bred and raised here
[18:52] <Mopkop> Now I get a 'These branches have diverged' error.
[18:52] <kulelu88> the PTA zoo is still kwaai
[18:52] <pieter2627> * first captivated leopards
[18:52] <Kilos> my granny was born in paul krugers house
[18:54] <Mopkop> None of this would have happened if I just read the manual.
[18:54] <Kilos> lol
[18:54] <Mopkop> Kilos: That's interesting.
[18:54] <Kilos> ya my blood runs deep here
[18:54] <Kilos> but too cold for me
[18:55] <octoquad> Kilos, Trello: @octoquad
[18:56] <kulelu88> you can now surf in Pretoria :D
[19:01] <Mopkop> I had to make a whole new branch for it to work :(
[19:01] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:01] <Kilos> octoquad ive forgotten how
[19:01] <octoquad> hehe
[19:01] <Kilos> patience
[19:01] <octoquad> all good
[19:01] <octoquad> oh I have tons of that
[19:01] <Kilos> wait
[19:01] <Kilos> keep smiling
[19:01] <octoquad> hurry up!
[19:02] <octoquad> jk
[19:02] <Mopkop> Ugh, now the internet is super slow...
[19:02] <Kilos> normally pro does it
[19:02] <Mopkop> Not my day today...
[19:03] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[19:03] <Kilos> now watch he will get here at 11pm and say pong
[19:06] <Kilos> octoquad there
[19:07] <Kilos> put your pic
[19:10] <octoquad> oh that's not me
[19:11] <octoquad> https://trello.com/octoquad
[19:12] <Kilos> oh my
[19:13] <octoquad> hehe
[19:24] <Kilos> how do i kill the other one
[19:25] <pieter2627> Kilos: click 'show menu' in the top right of the screen if menu is not open...
[19:25] <octoquad> done
[19:25] <pieter2627> ...Click... oh done
[19:25] <octoquad> soz lol
[19:26] <Kilos> yay ty
[19:26] <octoquad> explain to Kilos so he nows for the future
[19:26] <octoquad> knows*
[19:26] <Kilos> nono
[19:26] <Kilos> its the pros job
[19:26] <Kilos> he is having some family time
[19:26] <pieter2627> ... click on the user's photo and select 'Remove from board'
[19:26] <Kilos> wb Mopkop
[19:27] <Kilos> oh i did that but he didnt go
[19:27] <Kilos> thats why i asked how
[19:28] <Mopkop> Internet still forzen. Gonna try something.
[19:28] <Kilos> oh my
[19:29] <Kilos> octoquad https://ubuntu-za.org/
[19:29] <Kilos> look how hast that is
[19:29] <Kilos> fast
[19:30] <Kilos> our fly rebuilt it
[19:32] <Mopkop> I just don't get it. Ping to google is like 10 ms, but the internet is frozen.
[19:32] <Kilos> oh my
[19:32] <Kilos> firefox
[19:32] <Mopkop> Must be a network problem.
[19:33] <Mopkop> hmmm... let's try a different broweser
[19:33] <Kilos> chase everyone else to bed
[19:33] <octoquad> very lightweight
[19:34] <octoquad> KISS
[19:35] <Kilos> windows fone apps?
[19:36] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:37] <Mopkop> I had this with neotel once. Turned out the dns was poisoned or something like that.
[19:38] <Mopkop> That solved it!
[19:38] <Kilos> what?
[19:39] <Mopkop> Nevermind, still slow... I changed the dns server ip, now at least I can get to launchpad.
[19:39] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:41] <Mopkop1> aai...
[19:43] <Kilos> i gotta sleep. night all. sleep tight
[19:44] <octoquad> Night Kilos
[19:47] <pieter2627> night Kilos
[19:51] <Mopkop> Have to restart again. Night all, see you tommorow DV.
[20:06] <pieter2627> night all
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[10:46] <cr|imp> no one in here!
[12:14] <cr|imp> when do the class starts?
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2015-04-08-#kubuntu-devel
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[07:15] <Peace-vivid> i am testing kubuntu
[07:15] <Peace-vivid> and :
[07:16] <Peace-vivid> dolphin freeze when i open a file with kate
[07:16] <Peace-vivid> energy saving stuff doesn't work i mean i can't ge my monitor always turn on even putting 99 minutes
[07:16] <Peace-vivid> i have seen a lots of crash of plasma
[07:16] <Peace-vivid> :D it's a disaster
[07:17] <Peace-vivid> plasma 5 it's not ready
[07:26] <xennex81> i would agree that plasma5 is nowhere near ready, from what I've seen
[07:27] <xennex81> after upgrade (live upgrade) to 15.04, kde wouldn't even log me out, and logging in takes very long
[07:28] <xennex81> it's worthless to me at present. Themes also don't work well, by default you cannot select Air with good panel (taskbar) look, and Breeze Dark wouldn't even apply. Icon theme takes a restart (or logout/login) to register or make it through. I get half my icons then in the old theme, half in the new. All weird.
[07:29] <xennex81> most window decoration themes are too transparent to even be useful because the window behind always shines through and makes text hardly readable.
[07:29] <xennex81> at least everything to do with oxygen and the like
[07:30] <xennex81> transparency is a killer here and not a good one
[07:31] <xennex81> they are pushing it with the default configuration and nothing else, but that's not KDE
[07:31] <xennex81> the change to SDDM in itself is questionable
[07:33] <xennex81> when the old configuration was not even up to par yet, too many changes too fast
[07:35] <Peace-vivid> i dunno but for me another release with kde4 would be better
[07:36] <Peace-vivid> this kubuntu would be like the old ages kde4.0 disaster release
[07:36] <Peace-vivid> maybe a little better
[07:36] <Peace-vivid> kde4 was very terrible with 0 release
[07:46] <valorie> hmmm, I have breeze dark
[07:47] <valorie> dolphin doesn't freeze when it starts a file with Kate
[07:47] <valorie> and no plasma crashes
[07:47] <valorie> but I have a fresh install
[07:48] <valorie> I had the first crash today for weeks
[07:48] <valorie> and that was apport, nothing to do with plasma
[07:58] <sitter> Riddell, ScottK: konversation 1.6 final on its way to the queue
[08:00] <soee> ;o
[08:18] <xennex81> i don't know, I think the upgrade should be similar to the fresh install, but the alpha 2 fresh install did not have those issues at least not the login/logout issues for me
[08:19] <xennex81> and hi val
[08:20] <xennex81> but at present i am seriously thinking of just debugging the plasma-desktop issues myself
[08:20] <xennex81> that i have
[08:20] <xennex81> just dedicate a few weeks to reading its source and starting to see what's wrong or what could be wrong
[08:21] <xennex81> profiling etc.
[08:21] <xennex81> that is, after all, the beautiful thing of open source ;-).
[08:22] <xennex81> but I don't even have KDE installed right now, I'm in Ubuntu GNOME
[08:22] <xennex81> trying to see how it compares
[08:22] <xennex81> and the customizability is great, it is just impossible to find at first
[08:35] <soee> oh you dont know what is good :D
[08:36] <soee> xennex81: if you want to dig into plasma, you will get help at #plasma
[08:36] <xennex81> right thanks
[08:37] <xennex81> there is just a resource hog inside that process that kills my fun in kde4/kubuntu 14.10
[08:37] <xennex81> plasma5 is now blazing fast in comparison
[08:37] <Peace-vivid> valorie: i did a fresh install new user but i got crashes
[08:37] <xennex81> but I still don't know yet if it has to do with SDDM/Lightdm or not at all...
[08:37] <soee> true, and hey this week Plasma 5.3 beta will be released :)
[08:38] <xennex81> so kde4/kubuntu 14.10 boots up real fast I'm in the system within a minute easily, but it slows down after a few minutes and in the end it is so unresponsive that i can't use it anymore
[08:38] <soee> oh wait, tars this week, beta next
[08:38] <xennex81> right
[08:38] <Peace-vivid> valorie: try this , go in the home directory , then try to open bashrc file with kate
[08:39] <xennex81> i think it works for her, but there may be anomalies due to whatever? GPU drivers?
[08:39] <soee> well vivid migt be slower when booting, dunno how much it is related to switch to systemd
[08:39] <xennex81> not sure... at all.
[08:39] <Peace-vivid> xennex81: could you try this too ?
[08:39] <xennex81> so many changes makes it hard to single out the causes for any user
[08:39] <Peace-vivid> try this , go in the home directory , then try to open bashrc file with kate xennex81
[08:39] <xennex81> i don't have kubuntu installed right now
[08:39] <xennex81> maybe in a few days again
[08:39] <Peace-vivid> oh
[08:40] <xennex81> i am just bitching about in Gnome :P
[08:40] <Peace-vivid> io have kubuntu 15.04 and kubuntu 14.04
[08:40] <xennex81> to get a better grasp of the Ubuntu ecosystem/phletora
[08:40] <Peace-vivid> :D
[08:40] <soee> Peace-vivid: opens fine for me
[08:40] <xennex81> i guess
[08:40] <xennex81> but the annoyance that has been there for a while is:
[08:40] <Peace-vivid> soee: open righ t, then try to work now on dolphin
[08:40] <soee> but mu .bashrc is a symlink to file in my cloud server
[08:40] <Peace-vivid> soee: it should be freezed
[08:41] <soee> Peace-vivid: works fine
[08:41] <xennex81> "open folder" in firefox opens up in either wine-browser or in gwenview-explorer
[08:41] <xennex81> but not in dolphin
[08:41] <Peace-vivid> soee: have you tried to enter in another folder ?
[08:42] <xennex81> i have seen a report about that before, months ago
[08:42] <soee> Peace-vivid: yes, i can navigate, view files, show hidden etc etc
[08:42] <Peace-vivid> xennex81: that shoudl be easy to fix
[08:42] <xennex81> i know, i guess
[08:43] <xennex81> but if its the default that it don't work
[08:43] <xennex81> that's very annoying for a regular or new or even experienced user
[08:43] <xennex81> because it means you need to spend time fixing small things
[08:43] <Peace-vivid> soee: damn why i have this shit then http://i.imgur.com/bLhyqUu.png
[08:43] <xennex81> and there can be many
[08:44] <xennex81> you said kate uses dolphin to open a file right
[08:44] <xennex81> and it locks or anything
[08:44] <Peace-vivid> xennex81: no
[08:44] <soee> Peace-vivid: i have no idea tbh. try starting dolphin from konsole and see if it outputs some data
[08:44] <Peace-vivid> xennex81: dolphin => select a text file => right click => open with kate => back to dolphin => dolphin freezed
[08:44] <xennex81> dolphin tries to open Kate on a file?
[08:45] <xennex81> ok
[08:45] <xennex81> back to dolphin means: close Kate, or alt-tab?
[08:45] <Peace-vivid> do not close anythging
[08:45] <Peace-vivid> just switch app
[08:45] <xennex81> right
[08:45] <xennex81> clear
[08:45] <xennex81> sounds perhaps like a permission thing to me, but not sure of course
[08:47] <Peace-vivid> xennex81: it's not permission
[08:47] <Peace-vivid> xennex81: soee look at this http://i.imgur.com/ZeeqWRi.png
[08:48] <soee> Peace-vivid: what if you disable samba
[08:48] <soee> those locations that use it
[08:49] <Peace-vivid> mm i guess i have not samba
[08:49] <Peace-vivid> let me check
[08:49] <Peace-vivid> infact no samba installed
[08:49] <xennex81> lol i could install kate and see what it does with nautilus, but I don't think that will help :P
[08:49] <Peace-vivid> i will try to install then
[08:50] <soee> also check if you might have some extra services enabled in dolphin that might cause it
[08:50] <xennex81> nah don't worry
[08:50] <soee> but it happens only when kate is running ?
[08:50] <Peace-vivid> yes
[08:50] <xennex81> i would see if there is anything other, different file types, etcetera
[08:50] <xennex81> it would be weird if it was singled out to just kate right?
[08:50] <xennex81> what about another editor?
[08:50] <Peace-vivid> after close kate i got this
[08:51] <Peace-vivid> wait for upload
[08:51] <xennex81> the key to chaining into kate can't be all that special, even if its a homeborn kde app
[08:51] <Peace-vivid> http://i.imgur.com/Js8vsow.png
[08:51] <soee> Peace-vivid: some not so ogn bug report https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339094
[08:52] <soee> Peace-vivid: read the last bug comment what it fixes
[08:52] <Peace-vivid> soee: mm try the solutiion
[08:52] <xennex81> i've had issues before in plasma5 that a regular app would not start
[08:52] <xennex81> that i started using alt-F2
[08:53] <xennex81> at one point I could not open a Konsole that way, I believe
[08:54] <xennex81> exactly the same right? Peace-vivid
[08:54] <soee> but this shoudl work in BEta 2 as it uses 5.2.2
[08:55] <soee> Peace-vivid: are you running Vivid with latest updates ?
[08:55] <Peace-vivid> soee: i guess so
[08:55] <Peace-vivid> i did my wonderfull alias yesterday
[08:56] <Peace-vivid> i just did u ; g -y and i got sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:56] <xennex81> so dolphin hangs because it wants to display the error message "cannot open /usr/bin/kate"
[08:56] <Peace-vivid> yes
[08:56] <xennex81> and the -b flag to kate would not stall it because it goes into daemon mode or something
[08:56] <xennex81> or background
[08:57] <xennex81> i don't know
[08:57] <Peace-vivid> in backgroud i tried to remove -b
[08:57] <Peace-vivid> and it at least doesn't hangs
[08:57] <xennex81> oh, to remove it
[08:57] <xennex81> okay
[08:57] <xennex81> right, so same thing exactly?
[08:58] <xennex81> the patch changed Kate
[08:59] <xennex81> not dolphin (weird place to fix it then...)
[08:59] <Peace-vivid> i guess i solved my problem soee thank you for diggin out the solution
[08:59] <soee> Peace-vivid: cool :)
[09:00] <xennex81> easy patch too :P
[09:00] <xennex81> i am still not too happy about using git myself
[09:00] <xennex81> it is or seems to extremely complicated
[09:00] <xennex81> just working in another branch has its score of difficulties
[09:01] <soee> git ? :)
[09:01] <xennex81> yeah
[09:01] <xennex81> how to you branch and then selectively add or commit the changes when you merge?
[09:01] <xennex81> i still don't know
[09:01] <soee> oh well i wont argue as i m using it since i started versioning code and dont know alternatives :)
[09:01] <xennex81> i can go into a branch, then do a git stash (or git stash -u I guess)
[09:02] <xennex81> then checkout that stash into the branch
[09:02] <xennex81> selectively
[09:02] <xennex81> then drop the stash for the remainder
[09:02] <xennex81> and then merge that I guess
[09:02] <xennex81> but I haven't done it very well yet, I'm still learning
[09:02] <xennex81> i only used SVN momentarily back in the day
[09:03] <xennex81> but it uses absolute copies of branches, which feels safe
[09:03] <xennex81> real copies
[09:03] <Peace-> xennex81: i use git with dolphin :D
[09:03] <sitter> that sounds awfully complicated regardless of what you want to do :P
[09:03] <xennex81> haha
[09:03] <xennex81> it may very well be :P
[09:03] <xennex81> when i change something i want to work in a fresh directory
[09:03] <xennex81> that's the definition of a branch mostly
[09:04] <xennex81> but git only has a working directory
[09:04] <xennex81> so you branch and you checkout and then the working directory is your branch
[09:04] <xennex81> feels unsafe, but okay, but still...
[09:05] <xennex81> your safety depends on knowing how not to ruin things :P
[09:05] <xennex81> that is git to me :)
[09:05] <xennex81> i learned that you also need a rebase option to pull or you get in trouble with merges
[09:06] <sitter> git doesn't really have a directory at all. git has commit objects that contain stuff and when put together they form the repo content
[09:06] <xennex81> i have often had a rebase followed by a pull and the pull adds all of the commits of the remote (origin) to the stack that is already there
[09:06] <xennex81> so then suddenly I have not 20 commits (for example) but 40
[09:06] <xennex81> which cannot be applied all, because they conflict
[09:06] <sitter> Oo
[09:07] <xennex81> and the only way I have been able to go aroudn that is to use push -f or push origin +master
[09:07] <sitter> Oo
[09:07] <xennex81> haha yeah
[09:07] <soee> sitter: your eyes ... :D
[09:07] <sitter> I think you should read a guid to merge and rebase :P
[09:07] <xennex81> i ahve
[09:07] <xennex81> i have
[09:07] <xennex81> although
[09:07] <xennex81> not all yet
[09:07] <xennex81> there is a very good guide somewhere
[09:07] <xennex81> i have been printing it
[09:07] <xennex81> but it says very very very little on merges
[09:08] <xennex81> maybe because it should already be clear, I skipped a part
[09:08] <xennex81> anyway I am just learning and experimenting
[09:10] <xennex81> i can't print at this point, printer driver not installed etc
[09:11] <xennex81> i use git log --oneline a lot now
[09:11] <xennex81> and git log --stats
[09:11] <xennex81> but git does have a working directory, it just changes the structure of the visible directory(ies) to whatever you have checked out
[09:11] <xennex81> which means constantly moving and deleting and adding files
[09:11] <xennex81> or perhaps I don't know
[09:12] <xennex81> let's say it maintains a working directory
[09:13] <xennex81> can you reproduce that working directory when you just have the .git directory? Of course, should be possible with checkout?
[09:14] <xennex81> but i like pushing the stash and then doing checkout -p
[09:14] <xennex81> checkout -p stash i think
[09:14] <xennex81> i really like reviewing my changes
[09:14] <xennex81> before commit.......................
[10:18] <Riddell> tsdgeos: about distro ended up in kinfocenter for kinfocenter
[10:20] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:08] <soee_> konversation update landed in vivd :)
[11:13] <Riddell> sitter: plasma-sdk is likely to come to plasma 5.3, is it on the todo list fo CIing?
[11:15] <sitter> never heared of it
[11:17] * sitter thinks people should announce changes like moving into a release scope and porting on the release team list
[11:17] <sitter> Riddell: I'll take a look once I am done breaking the volume applet
[11:19] <sitter> Riddell: also I am not sure I am confident with moving it into plasma 5.3, might be better to have it do a standalone release allowing for faster iteration and then move into 5.4
[13:19] <Peace-> soee: :) i did my job look at the minimize maximize close buttons :D http://i.imgur.com/Jb6nwqL.png
[13:23] <soee> Peace-: now close button is most important on whole desktop :D as it is biggest one
[15:52] <sitter> yofel: you'll be happy to hear that I just wrote a lint test to make sure CI'd builds have a Vcs-Browser and Vcs-Git|Bzr set ;)
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> is kubuntu-backports ppa still valid?
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> does it provide KF5? os just KDE SC 4?
[17:42] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: kubuntu-ppa/backports is the PPA, it provides backports to the more recently released version of kubuntu which 14.10 KDE SC 4
[17:42] <Riddell> but it will provide backports of Plasma 5 for vivid once that's out
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> we're starting to get adoption of KDevelop and other KDE applications at work
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> and of course everybody wants the latest
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> but they are mostly using Ubuntu LTS
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> so I'm looking for which ppa do they need to get the latest KDE on the latest Ubuntu LTS syste
[17:44] <Riddell> mm, lts is stable and doesn't tend to get updates
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> they won't run Plasma
[17:44] <ovidiu-florin> ever IMO
[17:45] <ovidiu-florin> they just need the applications,
[17:45] <ovidiu-florin> so no kwin, no plasma, nothing else
[17:45] <ovidiu-florin> just apps and their depencencies
[17:48] <ovidiu-florin> so is kubuntu-ppa/backports what I'm looking for?
[17:50] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yep, it has KDE SC 4.14.2 in it
[17:52] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I see in backports I still have KDevelop 4.7.0
[17:52] <ovidiu-florin> KDevelop 4.7.1 was release almost 2 months abo
[17:52] <ovidiu-florin> if not more
[17:52] <ovidiu-florin> released
[17:59] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: right nobody is doing those backports currently, it needs more person-power
[18:00] <soee> we need good kubuntu promoton to get more users willing to help :)
[18:02] <Riddell> maybe xennex81 wants to become an elite packager and do more backports :)
[18:02] <xennex81> huh, what? :P
[18:02] <xennex81> haha
[18:02] <ovidiu-florin> xennex81: do you want to package KDevelop 4.7.1?
[18:03] <xennex81> you mean backports from a newer version of Kubuntu to an older?
[18:03] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I thought the packaging process was automatic. Isn't it?
[18:03] <xennex81> I don't know I don't have the stability yet
[18:03] <xennex81> to do anything fancy
[18:04] <Riddell> xennex81: stability of what?
[18:04] <xennex81> personal life
[18:04] <soee> shouldnt we support current and LTS ?
[18:04] <soee> (with packages)
[18:04] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: alas not yet
[18:04] <Riddell> soee: ideally yet, but person-power is lacking
[18:05] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: why not yet?
[18:07] <xennex81> personally I think I will be sticking to 14.10 versions and the like, I like that for some reason. But I also wanted to install a Ubuntu Server thing and then KDE on it.
[18:07] <xennex81> I never got that far though because I couldn't get any wifi going in Ubuntu Server back then (few months ago)
[18:08] <xennex81> so perhaps if I am better settled and know a bit more about everything I might take up something like that, don't know yet
[18:08] <xennex81> it would then center on the .10 versions
[18:09] <xennex81> i seriously want to debug plasma-desktop on 14.10 :P
[18:09] <xennex81> maybe next month
[18:09] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: why not yet?
[18:10] <xennex81> i still hate the Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Linux ecosystem though in some way but I just couldn't stand staying with Windows.
[18:10] <xennex81> nothing to do, and not a good platform for coding and experimenting
[18:10] <xennex81> I feel the Linux brand should disappear and be replaced by Ubuntu/Debian ;-).
[18:11] <ovidiu-florin> xennex81: did you know you can't find the word "linux" on the Ubuntu.com website?
[18:11] <xennex81> right :) :)
[18:11] <xennex81> very good :D
[18:12] <ovidiu-florin> we're proud of our heritige
[18:12] <xennex81> I've always been with Debian, as long as I can count :p at least since I first managed a home server
[18:12] <xennex81> when cable internet was new
[18:13] <xennex81> i'm really dying to get some work done, to contribute somewhere in some way...
[18:14] <xennex81> quite literally a bit because my own projects have disappeared on me it seems
[18:14] <xennex81> don't know
[18:15] <xennex81> perhaps in two days I will install a full fresh 15.04 again
[18:17] <xennex81> my skill lies mostly with Java and PHP, if I still have any skill...
[18:17] <xennex81> and nowadays Bash lol
[18:18] <xennex81> trying to make everything or most of it Dash compatible, as per the great Steve Riley :p.
[18:21] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: packaging isn't automatic because while harald's stuff can scoop in the latest from git that's different from scooping in the latest from tars
[18:24] <soee> oh interesting, notifcations stared to show up where they should
[18:25] <soee> system should't install any packages that are useless for me, like some packages related to radeon :(
[18:30] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I fail to see how that's different
[18:30] <ovidiu-florin> OMG hte feedback....
[18:30] <ovidiu-florin> you people like to type
[18:31] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ping
[18:31] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: can you please take care of the text/content feedback?
[18:31] <ovidiu-florin> I'll take care of the visual, and technical
[18:32] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell me and jose are planning to put the site on a Canonical server. So I'm confirming that
[18:32] <ovidiu-florin> the Download page needs a complete redesign
[18:32] <ovidiu-florin> as do other pages
[18:41] <Riddell> groovy
[18:43] <Riddell> frecel: want to become an elite kubuntu packager?
[18:44] <frecel> Riddell: it's hard to say no when the title includes the word "elite" ahaha
[18:44] <Riddell> frecel: all kubuntu packagers are elite
[18:44] <Riddell> and good looking
[18:44] <Riddell> by packaging for kubuntu you become elite and good looking
[18:45] <frecel> I'm sold, how do I get started?
[18:45] <Riddell> frecel: I can give you a tutorial if you are free for an hour or two
[18:45] <Riddell> there's also lots of guides to read
[18:46] <Riddell> and well practice is the main way :)
[18:46] <frecel> actually you just caught me home because I'm an a lunch break
[18:46] <frecel> I have to go back to work in 10 minutes
[18:46] <Riddell> once your siesta is done? :)
[18:46] <Riddell> I know you canadians love your siestas
[18:48] <frecel> When I work, I work hard, when I rest, I rest properly
[18:52] <frecel> Riddell: Can you pm me links to the stuff I need to read, I have made some deb packages before but it's been a while so it won't hurt to refresh my memory
[18:54] <frecel> anyways I gotta run back to work, ttyl
[18:56] <Riddell> frecel: http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/ but ignore the UDD stuff that's just confusing
[18:56] <Riddell> frecel: https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging is a quick intro
[18:56] <Riddell> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ probably more involved
[18:56] <Riddell> and to test it out you could try backporting kdevelop to 14.10 and 14.04
[18:56] <Riddell> or you could try packaging the new digikam
[18:57] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I'll get to it.
[18:57] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[18:58] * Riddell high fives ahoneybun and ovidiu-florin
[18:58] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: whos feedback should I follow? VDG?
[18:59] <ovidiu-florin> which ever talks about text or images content, and not the website arancement or functionality
[18:59] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: ^
[18:59] <ahoneybun> ok let me check the thread
[19:00] * ahoneybun high fives Riddell bac
[19:00] <ahoneybun> *back
[19:00] * ovidiu-florin does a three way high five
[19:00] <ahoneybun> XD
[19:00] <ovidiu-florin> 4, including soee
[19:00] <ahoneybun> yes
[19:01] * yofel hugs everyone
[19:01] <yofel> you're awesome XD
[19:02] <Riddell> :)
[19:02] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: On the features page, several of the images could be cropped or slimmed down a bit; another trick might be overlaying the text on top of visually uninteresting (white-space) portions of the screenshots - maybe having a bit of background under the text overlay to ensure legibility.
[19:02] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: the ideea is good, but we can't do that only for a few images
[19:02] <ovidiu-florin> we should do that for all, or none
[19:05] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:08] <ahoneybun> the IM is KDE Telepathy right?
[19:11] <Riddell> ahoneybun: yep
[19:12] <Riddell> although the name doesn't tend to be used in UI
[19:12] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: why?
[19:12] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I guess the devs don't think another random brand is useful and want it to just be "IM"
[19:19] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I could preview like images for the screenshots, use less space
[19:19] <ovidiu-florin> what?
[19:21] <ahoneybun> http://imgur.com/WF0h2es
[19:23] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: ^
[19:23] <ovidiu-florin> I'm not sure I get it
[19:25] <ahoneybun> oh
[19:30] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1400730 is verified if you're in a useful mood (the security dudes asked it to be done as they want to update it)
[19:35] <jose> ovidiu-florin, Riddell: just to confirm, we're hosting @ Canonical's and I'll file tickets and get everything moving once the final version is all ready
[19:35] <jose> they're just waiting for us
[19:37] <Riddell> jose: there's only 2 weeks until release, and I guess release time is busy for sysadmins, maybe it's best to start that process now?
[19:37] <jose> Riddell: I'd need to have the site and exports and everything as it'll be on their servers with me to start the process
[19:37] <jose> but elmo's aware
[19:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: so maybe best to process the current load of feedback then get it moved to canonical?
[19:40] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: that was the plan
[19:40] <Riddell> great
[19:40] <ovidiu-florin> as I mentioned in my email
[19:40] <jose> perfect
[19:41] <jose> I'm ready when you guys are. if I'm not that responsive, I've gone to university, but I can always respond to Hangouts or email.
[19:42] <ahoneybun> Riddell: around?
[19:44] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I made some changes to the text on the homepage
[19:44] <ahoneybun> http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: remove break line from first line
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> "reviewboard.movidius.com/reviews/"
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> ah
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> " worldwide community of"
[19:48] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun
[19:49] <ahoneybun> I changed the homepage a bit
[19:49] <ahoneybun> http://kubwp.kubuntu.co.uk/
[19:50] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: I think the break is needed
[19:51] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: why?
[19:52] <ahoneybun> spaces out the paragraphs
[19:53] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: someone made a comment about the linux icon being old so I found this one http://imgur.com/IV3PjAD
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: what do you think about the picture?
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> personally I don't like the font
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: the paragraph alingment is aligned by visual elements
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> not line breaks
[19:55] <ahoneybun> it does not seem to work
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> what?
[19:56] <ovidiu-florin> you're removing the wrong break line
[19:56] <ovidiu-florin> not the space between the paragrapsh
[19:56] <ovidiu-florin> the " worldwide community of" and "developers,testers..." should be on the same line
[19:58] <ahoneybun> fixed ovidiu-florin?
[19:58] <ovidiu-florin> may I edit?
[19:58] <ovidiu-florin> yes, now it's fixed
[19:58] <ahoneybun> yea I need to go fax something
[19:58] <ahoneybun> brb
[19:59] <ovidiu-florin> fax?
[19:59] <ovidiu-florin> where and who do I have to ping to get my userbase translator account?
[20:04] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: what changed? what picture?
[20:04] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: take a look, adding the contribute menu item is too much
[20:04] <ovidiu-florin> one or 2 items have to go
[20:04] <ovidiu-florin> the new linux picture that ahoneybun proposed
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> shall I copy the link here again?
[20:05] <ovidiu-florin> Quintasan: ping
[20:10] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://imgur.com/IV3PjAD
[20:14] <Riddell> ahoneybun: lovely :)
[20:14] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I think it looks fine
[20:26] <xennex81> "Kubuntu is a way to use your computer that does not break away from the ideal of being around friends."
[20:26] <xennex81> what do you think? :P
[20:26] <xennex81> .
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> what online tool can I use to make a pool that poeple can vote on?
[20:55] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ ?
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: doodle also has a voting option
[20:56] <ovidiu-florin> not just schedule
[20:56] <Riddell> yep
[21:00] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: what does "Additional ifneedbe answer for busy participants." mean?
[21:02] <ovidiu-florin> found it: Yes-No-Ifneedbe Poll: In a basic poll, the people you invite can only respond “Yes” or “No.” This option adds a third possible response, “If need be,” to give you more detailed information on participants’ availability and flexibility.
[21:03] <Riddell> it's a "maybe" option
[21:09] <ovidiu-florin> http://doodle.com/vnd3bm7tq8tqxfsc
[21:13] <ovidiu-florin> all read the description before you vote
[21:19] * Riddell snoozes
[21:27] <ovidiu-florin> shadeslayer: ^^
[21:27] <ovidiu-florin> soee: ^^^
[21:27] <shadeslayer> I'm too tired
[21:27] <shadeslayer> Tomorrow
[21:51] <valorie> ah, peace is away, but opening ~/.bashrc works without a hitch
[21:54] <valorie> oops, not enough time this afternoon -- bbl
[21:56] <soee> valorie: he fixed it
[21:56] <soee> this was known bug, and fixed in 5.2.2 i think
[21:57] * soee taking a bath
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[03:06] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[03:12] <Rudolf> astroo-: hasta
[03:12] <astroo-> ate
[11:58] <luish> olá, não sei nada sobre Ubuntu. Estou com notebook windows 8.1 e gostaria de instalar para dual boot, gostaria de referência de site com tutorial em português. grato.
[12:05] <AsFelix> luish: http://www.vivaolinux.com.br/dica/Dual-boot-Ubuntu-1404-Windows-8-UEFI-completo
[12:05] <Maninho> Amigo busque no google localize varias paginas leia e entre fundo
[12:06] <AsFelix> luish: ou então: https://www.google.com.br/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=instalar+ubuntu+dual+boot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=dBklVdS8KaiX8Qfi6ICIBg#newwindow=1&channel=fs&q=instalar+ubuntu+14.04+dual+boot
[12:11] <mirqui> bom dia :)
[12:12] <Elfon> mirqui: bom dia
[12:12] <mirqui> bom dia , tudo bem :)?
[12:13] <Elfon> mirqui: resolveu a parada da epson?
[12:13] <mirqui> ahaha sim , fiz dualboot
[12:13] <mirqui> mas botei o windows em segundo plano , offline
[12:14] <Elfon> mirqui: tinha um utilitario no linux grafico
[12:14] <Elfon> tem o mtink que é por linha de comando
[12:15] <mirqui> sim eu sei , um ilk qualquer coisa , mas não se encaixava com minha impressora
[12:15] <Elfon> tenta o mtink
[12:15] <Elfon> ele é por linha de comando mas funfa
[12:15] <mirqui> como faço para ver com esse programa?
[12:16] <Elfon> deve ter nos repositorios
[12:16] <Elfon> sudo apt-get install mtink
[12:16] <mirqui> vou ver
[12:16] <Elfon> tem um tal de qink
[12:16] <Elfon> mas este nunca usei
[12:16] <luish> AsFelix: grato! vou gastar um tempo estudando antes de me aventurar então!
[12:18] <mirqui> elfon , já tentei , não funciona com a epson tx210
[12:18] <Elfon> hmm
[12:18] <Elfon> sinistro
[12:19] <mirqui> eu já tentei instalar ele , mas não deu em nada
[12:20] <mirqui> mas obrigado :)
[12:20] <Elfon> mirqui: tentou o escputil?
[12:20] <mirqui> eu fiz dualboot com o windows e desabilitei a internet
[12:20] <mirqui> tbm
[12:20] <mirqui> velho quebrei um monte a cabeça ontem
[12:21] <araujo_> olá todos, sobre a questão do aplicativo para printer deskjet, este apresenta algum erro?
[12:21] <mirqui> minha impressora funciona direitinho
[12:21] <Elfon> mirqui: cara...então não sei...tinha um utilitário gráfico que eu usava numa epson c45
[12:21] <mirqui> mas na hora de ver o nivel de tinta não aparece nada
[12:21] <Elfon> as não lembro
[12:21] <Elfon> mirqui: tentou o mtink
[12:21] <Elfon> ou tenta instalar o ink
[12:22] <Elfon> acho que é esse
[12:22] <Elfon> um dos dois...é por linha de comando...
[12:22] <mirqui> haaa nem esquenta , quando falhar os cartuchos , vou no windows e vejo
[12:22] <Elfon> me parece que o mtink é uma interface para o ink
[12:22] <Elfon> faz o último teste ..o ink
[12:22] <mirqui> sim , já tentei
[12:22] <Elfon> aí tu roda $ ink --help
[12:22] <Elfon> pra vÊ as opções
[12:22] <Elfon> o que pode acontecer é ter q rodar como root
[12:23] <mirqui> a opção =e -l
[12:23] <mirqui> mas não aparece nada
[12:23] <Elfon> é usb?
[12:23] <mirqui> só volta ao menu de opções
[12:23] <mirqui> sim
[12:24] <Elfon> pq lembro que tem que colocar a interface, algo como usb lp0
[12:24] <mirqui> cara , não sei , tentei de tudo , mas não deu em nada
[12:24] <Elfon> mirqui: deve ser $ ink -p usb
[12:24] <Elfon> tenta isso
[12:25] <Elfon> mirqui: http://ink.sourceforge.net/#screenshot
[12:25] <mirqui> ahaha agora já resolvi com dual boot cara
[12:25] <mirqui> vou ver
[12:26] <mirqui> sim , mas são 4 cartuchos , sendo que nem sempre eles gastam parelho
[12:26] <mirqui> no windows eu posso ver quanto eles gastam
[12:26] <mirqui> acho quew o fabricante não fez drivers para o linux
[12:27] <mirqui> que
[12:27] <mirqui> araujo , qual problema apresentou sua impressora?
[12:29] <Elfon> mirqui: o ink mostra individualmente
[12:29] <mirqui> sim , mas não consegui me acertar
[12:29] <mirqui> ele não aceita minha impressora
[12:30] <mirqui> ou eu fiz algo errado
[12:30] <Elfon> ink -p usb
[12:30] <Elfon> fez isso?
[12:31] <mirqui> espera vou instalar ele
[12:31] <Elfon> se não der...tenta como root
[12:33] <mirqui> olha o que aparece
[12:33] <mirqui> Could not access '/dev/usb/lp0' or '/dev/usblp0'.
[12:33] <mirqui> Could not get ink level.
[12:38] <Elfon> tenta como root
[12:39] <mirqui> como faço isto
[12:41] <Elfon> sudo ink -p usb
[12:41] <mirqui> ok
[12:42] <mirqui> dá na mesma
[12:42] <mirqui> Could not access '/dev/usb/lp0' or '/dev/usblp0'.
[12:42] <mirqui> Could not get ink level.
[12:42] <mirqui> mas nem esquenta , consigo ver no windows tranquilo ,
[12:43] <mirqui> e sem me preocupar com um monte de atualizações que tenho que fazer nele
[12:46] <Elfon> ko
[12:46] <Elfon> ok
[12:47] <mirqui> e ai , quais são as novas ?
[12:47] <Elfon> bom...tentando instalar o stoq numa distro rpm
[12:48] <Elfon> uma amigo dá dando uma força no pesado
[12:49] <mirqui> e o que seria o stoq?
[12:50] <Elfon> um sistema open source pra gestão empresarial
[12:50] <Elfon> tô vendo como funciona
[12:51] <Elfon> mirqui: ele é brazuca
[12:51] <mirqui> programa contábil?
[12:51] <Elfon> faz algumas coisas tb
[12:52] <mirqui> eu fiz uma vez em pascal um programinha de contabilidade pq não sabia usar execel
[12:52] <mirqui> excel
[12:53] <mirqui> o phiton tem banco de dados?
[12:53] <mirqui> phyton
[12:57] <Elfon> usa postgresql
[12:57] <mirqui> ahaha então
[12:58] <mirqui> 1 = debito , 2 = credito , print 1-2
[12:58] <mirqui> só precisa do banco de dados para quardar os resultados :)
[13:01] <Elfon> mirqui: tô vendo a prática
[13:01] <Elfon> não programo não :)
[13:02] <mirqui> haaa legal :)
[13:03] <mirqui> vai implementar este programa?
[13:04] <ule> Elfon: poe no github e vamos fazer em php
[13:05] <Elfon> ??
[13:05] <ule> programinha contabil
[13:05] <ule> :)
[13:07] <mirqui> olha isso , vou atualizar o sistema
[13:07] <mirqui> http://sempreupdate.org/vulnerabilidades-no-oxide-foram-corrigidas-no-ubuntu-14-10-e-ubuntu-14-04-lts/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[13:09] <mirqui> tudo ok
[13:30] <Joab> Ola galera bom dia gostaria de uma ajudinha aqui, abri o terminal e rodei o comando ubuntu-restricted-extras so que apareceu uma parada la que não quer sair escrito : Configurando ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[13:31] <ule> ps ax | grep restricted
[13:31] <ule> kill -9 <pid>
[13:32] <ule> :)
[13:32] <Joab> Desculpe não entendi ule pode me ajudar
[13:37] <Cyberworld> BOM DIA !!
[13:37] <Joab> Bom Dia
[13:39] <ule> Joab: isso vai matar o processo
[13:39] <ule> Joab: nao sei como resolver seu problem.. so sei como dar um kill
[13:39] <ule> :)
[13:39] <Joab> valeu ule
[13:39] <Cyberworld> o quer seria o problema
[13:39] <Joab> resolvi aqui consegui
[13:40] <Joab> rsrsrs
[13:40] <Cyberworld> no linux n existe problema só solução
[13:40] <Cyberworld> kkk
[13:40] <Joab> imagino
[13:40] <Cyberworld> problema só tem no windows kkk
[13:40] <Joab> as soluçoes são tudo complicadas
[13:40] <Joab> verdade ruinwindows
[13:40] <Cyberworld> eheuheuhe
[13:41] <ule> nao existe problema.. existe oportunidade de aprendizado
[13:41] <ule> :P
[13:42] <Joab> oportunidade de aprendizado gostei
[13:44] <ule> esses dias escutei isso do tiozinho q arruma o elevador aqui no trampo
[13:45] <ule> it's never a problem.. it's only a opportunity to get knowledge
[13:50] <Cyberworld> rapaiz tiozinho bem estudado eim kkkk
[13:55] <delped> ola
[13:56] <delped> gente, queria saber onde encontro os atalhos do Ubuntu Mate 14.04
[13:56] <delped> ?
[13:57] <delped> Olá, queria saber onde encontro os atalhos do Ubuntu Mate 14.04?
[14:19] <eumsm> opa
[14:55] <amarelinho_EMO> delet: que atalho? pra onde?
[17:24] <Cyberworld> meu backbox ta ingres e n ta consiguindo baixar o pack de idiomas
[17:25] <Cyberworld> alguem pode me hepar!?
[17:32] <mirqui> boa tarde :)
[17:34] <AsFelix> o que é ingres?
[17:34] <AsFelix> o que é hepar?
[17:34] <mirqui> ahaha velho , não sei:)
[17:35] <mirqui> daonde vc tirou isso?
[17:36] <AsFelix> o Cyberworld disse que o backbox dele está "ingres"
[17:36] <AsFelix> e quer que alguem "hepe" ele (sei lá se é assim que ~conjuga~ isso)
[17:37] <mirqui> ripar eu sei que é tirar uma cópia de um cd\dvd
[17:37] <mirqui> hepe não sei
[17:38] <AsFelix> (14:24:22) Cyberworld: meu backbox ta ingres e n ta consiguindo baixar o pack de idiomas
[17:38] <AsFelix> (14:25:01) Cyberworld: alguem pode me hepar!?
[17:38] <mirqui> tbm não faço a mínima idéia do que seja
[18:05] <Cyberworld> gente meu backbox ta ingles kkk
[18:05] <Cyberworld> e o pack não ta baixando
[18:05] <Cyberworld> dai queria saber se alguem pode me ajudar (help - helpar)
[18:08] <AsFelix> ahhhhh
[18:09] <AsFelix> e pq vc não escreveu em português?
[18:09] <AsFelix> (ou mesmo em inglês, ao menos eu entenderia)
[18:12] <ule> deixa em ingles mesmo
[18:23] <AsFelix> Cyberworld: que erro que dá quando vc tenta baixar o pacote em pt_BR?
[18:25] <Cyberworld> tipo só aparece dizendo q n é possivel fazer o download do pacote de idiomas
[18:28] <AsFelix> Cyberworld: Então, fico lhe devendo essa, pois quando usava o Blackbox, usava em inglês mesmo e já faz algum tempo que estou somente com o KDE
[18:29] <Cyberworld> pois é e eu sou acostumado a usar o red hat e o ubuntu
[18:30] <Cyberworld> mais quando vi a opção pra fazer download do pack de idiomas fikei ate feliz por um momento
[18:38] <AsFelix> Cyberworld: desculpe, fiquei confuso: você está usando o gerenciador de janelas "BlackBox" ou a distribuição "Backbox"?
[20:11] <converge> alo
[20:32] <astroo-> ola pessol
[20:32] <astroo-> pessoal
[20:39] <converge> alguem recomenda alguma empresa de hospedagem de site ?
[20:39] <ule> converge: o q vc precisa?
[20:40] <converge> ule: linux, ssh, 2 db mysql, 10 contas email
[20:40] <converge> 1gb espaco
[20:40] <ule> converge: eu iria de godaddy
[20:41] <converge> ule: pq gosta de la?
[20:41] <ule> converge: se quer montar seu proprio server.. digitalocean.com ou vultr.com
[20:41] <converge> ule: eh p/ empresa do meu pai, preciso de alguma coisa bem simples p/ ele nao ficar me ligando
[20:41] <ule> converge: 160gb, $10/mes e nunca tive problemas
[20:42] <ule> converge: se vc quer algo rapido.. no BR eu ja usei hostnet
[20:42] <ule> gostava bastante
[20:44] <converge> hostnet eh uma facada :/
[20:44] <converge> 29,90/mes
[20:45] <ule`off> eh vc paga pelo servico
[20:45] <ule`off> no br eh mais caro
[20:45] <ule`off> mas a velocidade eh melhor
[20:46] <ule`off> converge: se vc nao se importa com 200ms de delay.. vai de godaddy e seja feliz
[20:46] <ule`off> :)
[20:46] <ule`off> vou nessa flw ae
[20:56] <amarelinho_EMO> Gente
[20:57] <amarelinho_EMO> antes de irem embora
[20:57] <amarelinho_EMO> algum miguxo ai trabalha com backup a nível enterprise?
[21:59] <ule`off> amazon glacier
[22:15] <marcelomauro> Pessoal, boa noite
[22:17] <marcelomauro> Tenho uma impressora L355 da epson. Tudo funcionando normal. Acontece que eu queria imprimir frente e verso, e em formato booklet e a interface de impressão do Linux não apresenta estas opções ( fato que ocorre em outros sistemas operacionais). Entendo que isso possa ser resolvido a nível de software. Alguém conhece alguma solução para isso?
[22:19] <astroo-> marcelomauro ola
[22:19] <marcelomauro> oi astroo
[22:19] <marcelomauro> astroo chama todo mundo ai pra me responder!!! kkkkk
[22:20] <astroo-> cof cof...
[22:20] <Rudolf> kkkkk
[22:24] <marcelomauro> rsrs
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-locoteams
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[04:01] <Kilos> hi nhaines and others
[04:02] <Kilos> easier to say hi then i dont have to remember who is in what timezone
[04:12] <nhaines> Sounds scalable to me!
[04:36] <Kilos> hi taihsiang
[04:36] <taihsiang> hi Kilos
[05:58] <Kilos> hi genii
[05:58] * genii slides Kilos a fresh coffee
[05:59] <Kilos> cool ty for that
[05:59] * Kilos adds more sugar
[06:18] <elky> surely genii doesn't buy coffee that needs sugar...
[06:19] <genii> I surely do not
[06:19] <Kilos> haha hi elky dpm
[06:41] <dholbach> good morning
[06:41] <nhaines> Good morning, dholbach!
[06:41] <dholbach> hey nhaines
[06:41] <Kilos> morning dholbach
[06:43] <dholbach> hey Kilos :)
[06:43] <Kilos> :D
[09:21] <Kilos> hi jason_
[09:22] <jason_> hi~ Kilos ^^
[11:47] <unloco> hola
[15:14] <Kilos> hi PabloRubianes TaeheeJang
[15:14] <TaeheeJang> Kilos: hi Kilos!
[15:15] <PabloRubianes> hi Kilos
[15:15] <PabloRubianes> :)
[15:15] <Kilos> oh ya :D
[15:16] <TaeheeJang> oh Pablo I read your reply to my loco-teams mail. Thanks!
[15:16] <PabloRubianes> TaeheeJang: no problem,we are here for that
[15:17] <TaeheeJang> Good. :D
[17:44] <Kilos> hey guys has the ubuntu bugsquad got an irc channel please
[17:45] <Kilos> evening pleia2 mhall119
[17:46] <PaulW2U> Kilos: Hi kilos, it's #ubuntu-bugs
[17:47] <pleia2> hi there Kilos
[17:47] <Kilos> ty PaulW2U
[17:49] <Kilos> one of the za guys is interested in try his hand at bug fixing
[17:53] <Kilos> trying
[18:10] <mhall119> hi Kilos
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-desktop
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[06:08] <didrocks> good morning
[06:18] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:20] <didrocks> hey pitti
[06:21] * pitti pulls his hair out on the racy systemddm tests
[06:22] <didrocks> pitti: do you have the journalctl order?
[06:22] <didrocks> would be interesting to see the boot ordering, at least, if it's been run
[06:23] <didrocks> I wonder why it became racy suddenly…
[06:23] <pitti> I mean I get the self.assertTrue(self.is_active_unit('systemddm')) failure pretty much always in jenkins, but almost no time when I run it manually
[06:23] <pitti> I'll try to get a journal the next time it happens
[06:24] <pitti> but it's just a matter of waiting a bit longer AFAICS
[06:24] <didrocks> with the "wait for job-list to be empty", right?
[06:25] <pitti> yes
[06:26] <pitti> and no "activating" jobs any more
[06:26] <didrocks> crazyness…
[06:26] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti desktopers
[06:26] <didrocks> hey seb128
[06:27] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ça va ?
[06:27] <seb128> pitti, oui, très bien, et toi ?
[06:28] <pitti> je vais bien aussi, merci !
[06:30] <pitti> Apr 08 06:29:25 autopkgtest systemd[1]: start request repeated too quickly for systemddm.service
[06:30] <pitti> didrocks: ^ could it be that?
[06:31] <didrocks> pitti: oh, that shouldn't happen, interesting…
[06:31] <didrocks> let me look at systemddm
[06:31] <larsu> morning!
[06:32] <didrocks> pitti: so, it can be the qemu issue
[06:32] <didrocks> pitti: see create_systemd_dm_unit(), I'm copying the lightdm.service
[06:32] <didrocks> removing the Bus= line (as it won't match)
[06:32] <didrocks> pitti: but that's what is used in all tests
[06:34] <pitti> didrocks: no, I mean could this be triggered simply by the fact that the tests start/stop systemddm very often?
[06:34] <didrocks> pitti: oh, you removed the 2s…
[06:34] <pitti> didrocks: before it says "systemddm.service holdoff time over, scheduling restart."
[06:34] <didrocks> so yeah, we maybe burst the limit
[06:34] <pitti> ah, then I'll put that back
[06:35] <didrocks> pitti: good catch!
[06:35] <didrocks> that or removing the limit in the .service file
[06:35] <pitti> didrocks: right, I get that by manual systemctl stop/start too
[06:36] <didrocks> pitti: so StartLimitBurst=42?
[06:38] <pitti> didrocks: I'll try setting DefaultStartLimit* in /run/systemd/system.conf.d/autopkgtest.conf
[06:40] <didrocks> pitti: hum, impacting all tests? Do you think it's not a trap for future-tests?
[06:41] <pitti> didrocks: ah, you mean only add that to systemddm.service?
[06:41] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, seems safer to me?
[06:42] <didrocks> in the create_systemd_dm_unit() method
[06:42] <pitti> didrocks: I was concerned it would also affect lightdm.service, but it actually hasn't so far
[06:42] <didrocks> pitti: actually, systemddm.service is the service that is the most activated in the tests
[06:42] <didrocks> that's why others are not impacted I guess
[06:43] <pitti> didrocks: hm, can I append something with that fileinput iterator?
[06:43] <pitti> ah, I'll append it after [Service]
[06:44] <didrocks> pitti: I was going to propose that
[06:44] <didrocks> if (line == "[Service]"):
[06:44] <didrocks> print(line)
[06:44] <didrocks> print("StartBurst…")
[06:46] <pitti> didrocks: right, I tried that, with burst=1 and limit=30, but that still doesn't reproduce it
[06:47] <pitti> didrocks: might actually be easier to call systemctl reset-failed during the "reload stuff"
[06:48] <didrocks> pitti: makes sense, and even better
[06:52] <pitti> didrocks: hm, that line mangling doesn't work for me, but anyway, I'll try the reset-failed
[06:54] * pitti -> errand, bbl
[07:43] <willcooke> morning all
[07:44] <happyaron> morning willcooke
[07:45] <willcooke> hey happyaron - how's it going?
[07:45] <happyaron> great, releasing new version of sogoupinyin atm
[07:46] <willcooke> awesome!
[07:47] <seb128> hey willcooke happyaron
[07:48] <didrocks> good morning willcooke, happyaron
[07:48] <happyaron> hey seb128
[07:48] <happyaron> didrocks: morning :)
[07:48] <seb128> willcooke, I read the meeting log yesterday, you didn't get my email with my weekly summary? :-/
[07:48] <seb128> I sent it in the morning in case I was not around
[07:48] <seb128> in reply to the weekly email reminder
[07:54] <willcooke> hey seb128, erm, yeah - I'd marked it as read and then it vanished off my radar. Sorry about that
[07:55] <seb128> willcooke, no worry
[08:03] <Laney> yo
[08:03] <seb128> howdy Laney!
[08:06] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[08:06] <Laney> hello my pals from across a bit of water
[08:06] <Laney> how is it going?
[08:08] <willcooke> Laney, you're talking about Grafham Water right? In which case, I'm fine!
[08:09] <Laney> that place will forever be about school trips to me
[08:09] <willcooke> :D
[08:09] <willcooke> Very boring bike rides for me
[08:10] <Laney> I remember being shown around a sewage treatment plant there one time
[08:10] <Laney> it was a good life
[08:10] <willcooke> When I used to do IT support for Anglian Water I went to *that* sewage works. For reals, no foolin
[08:11] <Laney> That's the kind of crash you don't want to have ...
[08:11] <willcooke> :D
[09:00] <seb128> larsu, did you open a bug about the greeter/hidpi/bg flicker issue?
[09:01] <seb128> Laney, not sure if you saw me mentioning the new cairo the other day, unsure if that's an update worth getting in vivid still? maybe you want to have a look to it? ;-)
[09:01] <Laney> Yeah I have it on a list
[09:02] <seb128> great, thanks
[09:03] <larsu> seb128: I did not, because there are already some that go in that direction. I did however forget to ping robert_ancell. Thanks for reminding me
[09:03] <seb128> larsu, yw
[09:03] <seb128> larsu, I think I'm just going to disable the scaling on the greeter for vivid
[09:03] <seb128> there is still the menus issue also which is unfixed
[09:03] <seb128> darkxst, Laney, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/201946184/adwaita-icon-theme_3.14.0-2ubuntu7co1.diff might be for you (it's in the sponsoring queue)
[09:03] <larsu> seb128: ok. I won't bother robert then until the sprint
[09:04] <larsu> needs some discussion anyway
[09:04] <seb128> larsu, k, makes sense
[09:06] <Laney> seb128: ya, I have cairo written down
[09:06] <Laney> & will look at that other one, thx
[09:07] <seb128> Laney, you already replied 5 minutes ago, but thanks :-)
[09:07] <Laney> did I?
Yeah I have it on a list
[09:07] <Laney> must have been dreaming
[09:07] <larsu> I was about to say...
[09:07] <Laney> at least I said the same thing both times
[09:07] <larsu> but then didn't in case I misread something again
[09:07] <seb128> lol
[09:07] <larsu> Laney: getting old?
[09:07] <Laney> irc, bug report, two man pages, staring out of the window at the sunny day
[09:08] <Laney> too many inputs
[09:08] <seb128> those damn windows
[09:08] <seb128> wonder if we get some of those in the sprint hotel this time
[09:08] <Laney> we can go work in hyde park if not
[09:09] <seb128> under the rain?
[09:09] <larsu> how's the weather in england?
[09:09] <willcooke> I vote for a boat on the lake in Hyde Park
[09:09] <seb128> they have roofs on their boats right?
[09:09] <willcooke> larsu, right now - it's bloomi' lovely
[09:09] <seb128> or you just end up being between 2 layers of water?
[09:09] * seb128 stops mocking the british weather
[09:09] <willcooke> You can only get so wet, right?
[09:10] <larsu> so can my laptop
[09:21] <pitti> Laney: so vila also has a machine with a missing /etc/rcS.d/*networking link; I'm beginning to suspect some ancient upgrade bug here
[09:21] <pitti> Laney: I asked other reporters in bug 1430675 to check for this
[09:21] <pitti> Laney: but I think it might not hurt to upload an ifupdown which re-creates the symlink if it's entirely missing
[09:22] <pitti> Laney: update-rc.d disable will create a K??networking symlink instead, so we can tell apart that case and not break that
[09:29] <Laney> pitti: You mean if there's no /etc/rcS.d/K??networking then re-enable the service?
[09:29] <darkxst> seb128, I still need to apply for -desktop, for these things I guess
[09:30] <pitti> Laney: yes; i. e. if there is no rcS.d/*networking at all
[09:31] <pitti> Laney: at least for vila it happend around the upgrade to trusty, but apparently was hidden by the /etc/init/networking.conf upstart job
[09:31] <pitti> or we add a proper networking systemd unit
[09:32] <vila> pitti: haaaa, that's what made it work with upstart, thanks, was wondering...
[09:33] <Laney> I guess applying a hammer would be reasonable
[09:33] <darkxst> seb128, that said the diff makes sense, since probably files moved from gnome-themes into adwaita-icon-theme
[09:36] <seb128> darkxst, right
[09:40] <darkxst> seb128, so +1 from me, just can't actually sponsor it
[09:40] <seb128> darkxst, noted, thanks, I think Laney was looking at uploading it
[09:40] <Laney> ya
[10:10] <pitti> Laney: uploaded ifupdown with that hack now, FYI
[10:19] <Laney> pitti: thanks, hopefully someone didn't fix it manually & can verify
[10:20] <pitti> Laney: I removed the symlink here and tested the upgrade in both cases
[10:42] <willcooke> Confirmation that there is a "do" on in the office on release day evening.
[10:42] <willcooke> popey, are you in the office on release day? Perhaps we could arrange a meet up at a pub with community guys? (There's probably already something planned?)
[10:42] <popey> I am
[10:42] <willcooke> woot
[10:42] <popey> There always was in the past a release party
[10:42] <popey> but interest wained
[10:43] <popey> and people wanted different things
[10:43] <willcooke> I say a pub and a few jars
[10:43] <popey> office people wanted a typical noisy london bar to unwind in, whereas community people actually wanted to chat to people
[10:43] <willcooke> let's arrange something
[10:43] <popey> willcooke: speak to msm and cvd
[10:44] <popey> cvd has a thing on that week which finishes on thurs, she talked to me yesterday about beer and pizza for her dept in the office
[10:44] <willcooke> just spoke to cvd, hence confirmation of an office event - but I'm thinking of some beers outside the office for an all inclusive thing
[10:44] <popey> I'd be up for us nominating a pu to be in
[10:44] <popey> +1
[10:44] <popey> *Pub
[10:45] <willcooke> popey, I'll start a thread on the UK mailing list
[10:45] <popey> nice one.
[10:45] <Laney> pick a nice real ale pub pleases
[10:46] <Laney> :-)
[10:46] * willcooke googles
[10:46] * Laney goes to get the tome
[10:46] <Laney> GBG 2015
[10:46] <willcooke> \o/
[10:46] <willcooke> There's a Brewdog place which is supposed to be good - but might be a bit hoppy for "brown beer" fans#
[10:50] <popey> +1 to fartybeer
[10:53] <Laney> sheaf or old king's head
[10:53] <willcooke> Laney, you're on the Ubuntu UK mailing list right?
[10:53] <Laney> in the vicinity of london bridge anyhow
[10:53] <Laney> ya
[10:54] <willcooke> oki, just sending an email to that list, if you'd like to pitch in there?
[10:55] <Laney> 'kay
[10:55] <willcooke> thx
[13:20] <desrt> good morning, desktopanoj
[13:20] <seb128> hey desrt
[13:20] <desrt> hihi
[13:21] <desrt> seb128: did you try testing that patch on the bug?
[13:21] <seb128> desrt, no, since teuf commented saying it doesn't work for him
[13:22] * desrt has one negative feedback so far but suspects that maybe it was tested wrong
[13:22] <seb128> I can if you want though
[13:22] <desrt> let me ping teuf first and see what his exact case is
[13:22] <desrt> maybe there's something i missed
[13:22] <popey> is it still possible to uninstall systemd on vivid and have a working system?
[13:22] <popey> or have we passed the point of no return?
[13:22] <seb128> popey, yes, you can keep using upstart, that's what ubuntu touch is doing
[13:23] <popey> ok, thanks
[13:24] <popey> removing systemd complains... policykit-1 : Depends: libpam-systemd but it is not going to be installed
[13:24] <seb128> didrocks or pitti might know about that
[13:24] <popey> I have a bug and the current suspect is systemd, wanted to remove it as a quick test to confirm that
[13:25] * ogra_ isnt so sure about bein able to remove it on desktop ...
[13:25] <seb128> well, at least you can use a different init system
[13:25] <seb128> not sure about uninstalling either
[13:25] <ogra_> we draw a trick on touch to keep it out of the image ... removing it on desktop would remove ubuntu-standard at least
[13:26] <pitti> popey: no, you can boot with upstart a single time or permanently (upstart-sysv), that's going to be supported until 16.04 at least
[13:26] <ogra_> and has propbably dependency issues in packages the phone doesnt ship
[13:26] <pitti> popey: you can't remove systemd; you can remove systemd-sysv and replace it with upstart-sysv
[13:26] <pitti> popey: but we need logind and other bits from that package
[13:27] <popey> great, thanks
[13:50] <seb128> Laney, larsu, does https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/dont-scale-greeter/+merge/255512 looks fine to you?
[13:51] <larsu> seb128: there's XDG_SESSION_CLASS?
[13:51] <larsu> it's not set on my desktop — but I guess it is on the greeter?
[13:51] <seb128> larsu, I did start a greeter and string /proc/pidof greeter/environ
[13:51] <larsu> wait, two lines up, we don't scale on unity either?
[13:52] <seb128> larsu, if you find a better variable let me know
[13:52] <larsu> not sure
[13:52] <seb128> larsu, right, unity7 handle the scaling factor itself in unity
[13:52] <larsu> ah, right
[13:52] <seb128> we use that fallback for the installer
[13:52] <larsu> looks good to me if that env var exists
[13:52] <seb128> it does for me
[13:52] <seb128> I might ask you to test on your laptop once it's a silo ppa
[13:52] <larsu> ok, please let me know
[13:53] <seb128> thanks
[13:57] <desrt> seb128: testing appreciated
[13:57] <desrt> looks like teuf's setup was indeed a bit messed up
[13:57] <seb128> desrt, k
[13:58] <desrt> the patch may not be perfect yet, but it will probably work in most cases that we care about
[13:59] <desrt> in fact, i just reproduced his problem -- but it's oddly specific, and perhaps completely unrelated
[13:59] <desrt> oh. you're in #gtk+. i'll stop the play-by-play :p
[14:05] <Riddell> Noskcaj, Laney: am I ok to upload gnome-keyring 3.15.92 for a fix blocking logout?
[14:07] <Laney> Riddell: If you upload 3.16.0, yes. :)
[14:07] <seb128> Riddell, bonus point if you upload the new stable 3.16 or find somebody wanting to do that
[14:09] <Riddell> oh 3.15 is unstable?
[14:09] <seb128> yes
[14:09] <Laney> odd/even version scheme
[14:10] <Riddell> so how come it isn't uploaded already? don't you have an automated/scripted way to update them all?
[14:13] <seb128> well, it's semi automatic, but you want an human verification, especially after beta
[14:13] <seb128> you guys just get script throwing updates in the archive?
[14:14] <Riddell> alas not quite yet but we have it all buliding continuously and we have weekly isos from that to test http://kci.pangea.pub/
[14:15] <Riddell> but still needs to get that connected with the "make tars" step and the "package tars" step
[14:22] <seb128> cyphermox, hey, do you think you could maybe review https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1248720?
[14:22] <cyphermox> ok
[14:23] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks :-)
[14:50] <cyphermox> seb128: is it a know issue that sometimes notify-osd won't disappear?
[14:50] <seb128> cyphermox, do you have your cursor over it?
[14:50] <cyphermox> no
[14:50] <ogra_> just get a second mouse and keep one over it :P
[14:51] <cyphermox> sounds like a less optimal plan than killall notify-osd ;)
[14:51] * ogra_ is full of helpful tips today :D
[14:51] <seb128> cyphermox, not know then
[14:51] <cyphermox> ok
[14:51] <cyphermox> I'll report it with a video of the screen as soon as I get it again
[14:51] <cyphermox> it seems to happen often when I get pinged
[14:52] <seb128> cyphermox, are you sure you client is not buggy and keep refreshing the notification or something?
[14:52] <cyphermox> well, it's a possibility but it usually does work properly
[14:52] <seb128> cyphermox, check the dbus activity to make sure
[14:52] <cyphermox> cool, will do
[15:07] <seb128> larsu, can you try the debs from https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-015/+build/7308452 and see if your desktop is still scaled but the greeter not/if that resolve the flickering issue at login
[15:09] <larsu> seb128: on the phone, will try ion a bit
[15:09] <seb128> larsu, no hurry, thanks
[15:22] <willcooke> qengho, https://plus.google.com/+FrancoisBeaufort/posts/gymYoHEeQUN
[15:22] <willcooke> \o/
[15:22] <willcooke> (via didrocks, thanks)
[15:23] <qengho> Yep, we don't have to wait 12 weeks. Already backported to stable.
[15:23] <didrocks> nice!
[15:24] <willcooke> woo! rock on
[15:24] <seb128> qengho, that means it's going to be in vivid?
[15:25] <qengho> Yes.
[15:25] <seb128> desrt, that patch fixes the apport issue
[15:25] <seb128> desrt, it's used instead of gedit
[15:26] <seb128> desrt, commented on the bug to say so
[15:30] <desrt> cool
[15:30] <desrt> am still looking into the teuf problem
[15:30] <desrt> (in fairness, this fixes his issue too -- but he has another issue that he accidentally uncovered)
[15:30] <desrt> btw: that patch has a leak in it, so don't distro-patch it or anything :)
[15:38] <seb128> yeah, I read that
[15:39] <seb128> Riddell, thanks for the gnome-keyring update :-)
[15:42] <Riddell> seb128: well we'll just see if the tests pass!
[16:10] <greyback> Trevinho: hey, my apps lens isn't working in unity7, does it have a log file I could look into? Or where could I start to learn why?
[16:10] <Trevinho> greyback: it generally happens when the lens crashes
[16:11] <Trevinho> greyback: killing unity-scope-home and loader generally fixes it...
[16:11] <Trevinho> as for the log....
[16:11] <greyback> Trevinho: /usr/bin/unity-scope-loader applications/applications.scope applications/scopes.scope commands.scope
[16:11] <greyback> /usr/bin/unity-scope-loader: error while loading shared libraries: libunity.so.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:11] <greyback> doesn't look right to me...
[16:11] <Trevinho> not much, as these are loaded by unity via dbus calls, but...
[16:12] <Trevinho> oh, right
[16:13] <greyback> Trevinho: should that work? I have libunity9 installed
[16:13] <Trevinho> greyback: make sure it's all installed and in right paths...
[16:13] <Trevinho> ldd /usr/bin/unity-scope-loader will fail, I guess
[16:14] <greyback> Trevinho: indeed, libunity.so.9 not found. but it in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[16:15] <Trevinho> oh, other libs are picked from that path I guess...
[16:15] <Trevinho> so, mhmh, maybe it's a broken link?
[16:16] <greyback> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Aug 8 2014 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libunity.so -> libunity.so.9.0.2
[16:16] <greyback> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Oct 29 20:49 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libunity.so.9 -> libunity.so.9.0.2
[16:16] <greyback> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 670296 Aug 8 2014 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libunity.so.9.0.2
[16:16] <greyback> nothing looks wrong, /me scratches head
[16:16] <seb128> try to ldd on the binary?
[16:17] <greyback> I just reinstalled libunity9, now it works
[16:17] <Trevinho> the classic way :D
[16:18] <greyback> only change I see is date: 17 Oct 29 20:49 -> Aug 8 2014
[16:18] <Trevinho> md5sum also, I guess...
[16:19] <greyback> too late
[16:19] * greyback hopes his ssd is ok
[16:23] <Riddell> seb128: ok it passed tests, now you can thank me :)
[16:25] <seb128> Riddell, thanks! :-)
[16:25] <larsu> seb128: I can't install that ("installing unity-settings-daemon would break unity")
[16:25] <larsu> deconfiguration is not permitted (--auto-deconfigure might help)
[16:25] <seb128> larsu, ?!
[16:25] <seb128> larsu, can you pastebin the full log?
[16:26] <larsu> seb128: hm, I made a typo passing auto-deconfigure before. Seems to have worked now
[16:27] <seb128> larsu, why did you need to use that option at all?!
[16:27] <larsu> I don't know :)
[16:27] <seb128> do you still have the log?
[16:28] <larsu> just rebooted
[16:28] <larsu> but this was the only message
[16:28] <seb128> k, weird
[16:28] <larsu> when installing unity-settings-daemon woth dpkg -i
[16:28] <seb128> maybe your previous dist-upgrade had issues or something
[16:28] <larsu> ok. set scale factor in displays or somewhere else?
[16:28] <seb128> no
[16:28] <seb128> things should just work normally
[16:28] <larsu> no?
[16:28] <seb128> e.g boot should give you a non-scaled greeter
[16:28] <larsu> I'm not running scaled right now
[16:29] <seb128> you shouldn't have flickering on login
[16:29] <seb128> then desktop should be hidpi scaled
[16:29] <larsu> but I need to set that
[16:29] <larsu> because I usually don't
[16:29] <seb128> I though your laptop was hidpi?
[16:29] <larsu> I run it natively :)
[16:29] <seb128> well, I was more interested if it fixes your greeter/login flicker issue
[16:29] <seb128> that was scaled before that update right?
[16:29] <larsu> yes, greeter is native and no flickering
[16:29] <seb128> k
[16:30] <seb128> maybe try a guest session and see if that's scaled?
[16:30] <seb128> but that scaling factor is set by unity so it should work
[16:30] <larsu> guest session is not scaled
[16:31] <larsu> but setting scale factor for my session works
[16:31] <seb128> hum :-/
[16:31] <seb128> k, I guess it's another issue/not new
[16:31] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[16:31] <larsu> might be just under the treshold at 2880?
[16:31] <seb128> right
[16:32] <larsu> anyway seems to work. thanks seb128!
[16:32] <seb128> larsu, thanks for testing!
[16:42] * willcooke -> EODish. Will probably be back later
[16:43] <seb128> willcooke, have fun!
[18:36] <popey> cyphermox: have you got a moment to help me debug something that I think is nm related?
[18:42] <davmor2> cyphermox: it's a trap run you fool ;)
[18:43] <cyphermox> I'm already debugging NM, what's one more data point :)
[18:48] <popey> cyphermox: bug 1441053
[18:49] <popey> basically my network drops for ~20-30s every minute while I have wired and wifi connected. Disconnect wifi, and use wired only, it's fine.
[18:49] <sarnold> popey: reminds me of 1436330
[18:49] <popey> ooh
[18:49] <popey> it could be that
[18:50] <popey> its driving me potty
[18:51] <davmor2> cyphermox: yeah I think the nm in vivid has some issues, the kind that would get a man put in a padded cell with a jacket that fastens at the back ;)
[18:56] <popey> ooh, there's a patch there
[18:59] <popey> 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
[18:59] <popey> 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0
[18:59] <popey> looks plausible. same metric for both interfaces
[19:07] <cyphermox> that one is on my list too, but is very not easy to fix
[20:06] <Laney> cyphermox: my pet bug is bug #1422096 if that's not on your list (or is maybe a dupe) :-)
[20:06] <Laney> I only know how to restart n-m to fix it which is scary because about 10% of the time that locks up my machine
[20:06] <Laney> russian roulette
[20:06] <Laney> :)
[20:06] * cyphermox weeps
[20:07] <cyphermox> heh, the fact that it sees there is a lxc bridge and whatnot shouldn't be affecting attempts to connect to wifi
[20:09] <Laney> could file it upstream and/or try a snapshot if you want
[20:12] <cyphermox> yeah maybe file it upstream
[20:12] <cyphermox> I also see something suspicious here, but I'm busy with other bugs
[20:12] <Laney> also I'm not on 10.1 yet
[20:13] <Laney> & ubuntu2 has a fix to hide these devices
[20:13] <Laney> lemme dist-upgrade and see what happens
[20:13] <Laney> although that's applet so I don't know how much will ...
[20:17] <Laney> could this wifi BE any slower? </chandler bing>
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| 2015-04-08T00:00:00 |
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2015-04-08-#xubuntu-devel
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[00:04] <Subsentient> knome: Oh sorry was afk
[00:05] <Subsentient> knome: The logs are private but are accessible from the outside to those with the password -- just me and close friends.
[00:05] <Subsentient> Utility involves:
[00:05] <Subsentient> $help tell
[00:05] <aqu4> [$tell <required_arg(s)>]: Used to tell someone a message the next time they enter a channel or speak.
[00:05] <Subsentient> $help sticky
[00:05] <aqu4> [$sticky <required_arg(s)>]: Used to save a sticky note. sticky save saves it, sticky save_private saves a private sticky, sticky read <number> reads it, sticky delete <number> deletes it, but only if it's your sticky. For admins, sticky reset deletes all stickies. sticky list lists the names of the owners and times of creation for all stickies, and sticky search returns a list of sticky IDs that match your search.
[00:05] <Subsentient> do /msg aqu4 commands to see the rest.
[00:11] <knome> Subsentient, ok, in that case, could you please remove the bot from the channel
[00:12] <Subsentient> knome: As you wish.
[00:12] <Subsentient> $part
[00:12] <aqu4> Assuming you mean this channel.
[00:12] <knome> Subsentient, yes; thanks, and thanks for understanding :)
[00:12] <nerdistmonk> yes we can only one george orwellian overlord at a time in here
[00:13] <Subsentient> knome: I like to bring it along with me :^)
[00:14] <knome> i like ubottu <3
[00:14] <nerdistmonk> You thought you could bring your own creation into an open source operating system chatroom full of developers?....muahaha...well erm.. actually no, no you can't.
[00:14] <Subsentient> knome: Oh, if you're interested: http://github.com/Subsentient/aqu4bot
[00:15] <knome> Subsentient, i briefly peeked there already O;)
[00:15] <Subsentient> knome: hah, clever girl.
[00:15] <knome> Subsentient, but not really, i'll try to avoid any code at all costs...
[00:15] <knome> girl? o.O
[00:15] <Unit193> knome: Jurassic Park.
[00:15] <Subsentient> it's just an expression :^)
[00:16] <knome> Unit193, Gladiator.
[00:16] <knome> Subsentient, i see... thanks mom.
[00:16] <knome> O:)
[00:16] <Subsentient> knome: Any time sweetie
[01:23] <bluesabre> knome: still around?
[01:23] <bluesabre> 10 minutes of hacking http://i.imgur.com/E4bEqaB.png
[01:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: He went to bed several minutes ago.
[01:23] <bluesabre> aww
[02:05] <bluesabre> knome: for when you get back, https://youtu.be/kuei-Xk0g6E
[07:24] <ochosi> wow, both gimp and LO are in a tight spot, just like pleia2 likes it i guess :)
[07:26] <elfy> we should have had 1 vote for the abiword thing
[07:29] <ochosi> to prevent us from shipping no office stuff at all?
[07:33] <elfy> the vote doesn't prevent us doing that
[07:33] <ochosi> i think that was knome's (not-so-secret) plan all along
[07:33] <elfy> bbl
[07:34] <ali1234> let's drop everything
[07:34] <ali1234> ship nothing that isn't a core part of xfce from xfce.org
[07:35] <ochosi> :)
[07:35] <elfy> that was bizarre ...
[07:35] <elfy> anyway - work for me now
[07:37] <ali1234> it's funny that people want a cut down paint program, but they don't want the cut down word processor and spreadsheet that they currently have
[07:40] <Unit193> Hey now, look at my votes! They don't do that! :P
[07:40] <ochosi> i have no problem with gnumeric, but abiword sucks
[07:45] <ochosi> actually it shouldn't be very hard to add basic image editing functions to ristretto (rotate, flip), but i think stephan arts was always really opposed to that
[07:45] <ali1234> "print" would be nice
[07:46] <ochosi> yeah, eog has that
[07:47] <Unit193> ochosi: http://www.abisource.com/release-notes/3.0.1.phtml wasn't good enough?
[10:33] <bluesabre> the problem isn't wanting minimalistic applications, rather that Abiword is usually a nest of bugs
[10:34] <bluesabre> if it wasn't so bad, I don't think we'd even have the conversation about replacing it
[10:38] <brainvvash> bluesabre, ochosi: did xfdesktop even draw the background before the ubiquity devs messed around with opting out feh or using some gsettings voodoo?
[10:53] <brainvvash> I think that xfdestkop always showed desktop icons by default, so why weren't they visible before?
[13:28] <knome> bluesabre, cool
[13:29] <knome> ochosi, not really..
[13:29] <knome> :P
[13:30] <ochosi> not really what?
[13:30] <knome> my plan to not ship any office suite
[13:30] <ochosi> oh, ofc :)
[13:30] <ochosi> bbabl
[13:30] <knome> aha
[13:31] <slickymasterWork> hey knome
[13:34] <knome> hello slickymasterWork
[13:43] <slickymasterWork> soryy knome
[13:43] <slickymasterWork> * sorry
[13:43] <knome> what? :)
[13:44] <slickymasterWork> knome, have you thought about krytarik's MP?
[13:44] <slickymasterWork> sorry for the delay
[13:44] <knome> hmph.
[13:45] * slickymasterWork hates when knome answers hmph
[13:46] <knome> i'm still not happy with all of the details of it
[13:46] <knome> mostly the cross reference handling
[13:46] <knome> but as Unit193 said, we'll need a part of that merge proposal anyway
[13:47] <slickymasterWork> exactly, and we already changed x-d-s because of it
[13:47] <knome> so i would say we should go ahead with the other changes *now* and poke bluesbre for an upload
[13:48] <slickymasterWork> can't do anything right now~
[13:48] <slickymasterWork> later at home
[13:48] <slickymasterWork> unless you have five minutes to spare and do it knome
[13:49] <knome> i can do it later too
[13:50] <slickymasterWork> lol, which one of us that manages to do it will do it ;)
[13:51] <knome> yep
[18:10] <elfy> nate254: yea - 6 monthly
[18:11] <elfy> so vv will release in April, then we start looking at the next - which will be October (15.10)
[18:11] <elfy> which will be followed by the next LTS 16.04 - then the cycle starts again
[18:13] <nate254> Here's a question: is it normal that upgrading from 14.04 LTS to 14.10 breaks the system?
[18:14] <elfy> nate254: no
[18:15] <nate254> elfy: Okay. I suppose I've never had much luck with it then
[18:27] <davmor2> slickymaster: could be worse, you could have no answer from knome at all
[21:50] <knome> slickymaster, did you merge the proposal as is or without the cross reference part?
[21:51] <slickymaster> I merged as it was knome
[21:51] <knome> ok
[21:51] <slickymaster> wasn't it supposed to be merged entirly knome?
[21:51] <slickymaster> I'm guessing not :P
[21:52] <bluesabre> need an upload?
[21:52] <slickymaster> if you'd be so kind bluesabre
[21:52] <slickymaster> pretty please?
[21:52] <knome> slickymaster, well i said i wasn't completely happy with the cross references and that we probably should merge the other parts now
[21:52] <knome> but if you merged it already...
[21:52] * knome shrugs
[21:52] <ochosi> hey folks
[21:52] <slickymaster> sorry knome
[21:52] <slickymaster> my bad
[21:52] <knome> it's not an LTS, we can act next cycle too
[21:52] <knome> nah, it's ok
[21:53] <knome> you're the doc lead anyway
[21:53] <knome> hullo ochosi, bluesabre
[21:53] <slickymaster> I knew you weren't too happy about the cross references
[21:53] <knome> and hello slickymaster officiall too :P
[21:53] <knome> slickymaster, yeah, they were part of the MP
[21:54] <slickymaster> but I got the impression that wouldn't bother it to be merged now and afterwards rollbacked if needed
[21:54] <knome> well that's the other option
[21:54] <bluesabre> next question is, what am I uploading?
[21:54] <knome> bluesabre, -docs
[21:54] <slickymaster> yes
[21:54] <slickymaster> and hey officially also knome, bluesabre and ochosi
[21:57] <knome> btw, we need a new upload for the slideshow
[21:57] <knome> iirc, dylan, the project driver, is working on it, but i'm not sure.
[21:58] <ochosi> oh, why's that?
[21:58] <knome> well, because dylan merged some content changes from jack
[21:58] <knome> but didn't update the translation templates
[21:59] <knome> so a few strings will be non-translated for all languages
[21:59] <knome> unless we have a new upload that allows people to actually translate those messages
[21:59] <knome> and we need the upload because the translations are done for the ubuntu package, not the upstream
[22:00] <knome> we're pushing to change this for the next cycle though, so uploads would only be needed AFTER the translation work is done
[22:00] <slickymaster> exactly
[22:00] <knome> (now it's needed BOTH BEFORE and AFTER)
[22:00] <slickymaster> which is something we're wishing to change from next cycle on
[22:00] <knome> didn't i say that? :P
[22:01] <ochosi> ah ok
[22:01] <knome> so yeah
[22:01] <knome> the merging was...
[22:01] <knome> well not unwelcome, but unexpected
[22:01] <knome> i would have personally waited for 15.10 with that
[22:01] <knome> basically because of this need of uploads we now have
[22:02] <knome> (and because it was after string freeze and all..)
[22:02] <slickymaster> yeap
[22:05] <bluesabre> anything else need to go into -docs, or are they good to go?
[22:05] <ochosi> too late to revert?
[22:05] <knome> ochosi, slideshow? not really, but then it would need an upload too..
[22:06] <knome> bluesabre, good to go (just make sure changelog looks sane)
[22:07] <bluesabre> knome: thanks, will upload shortly
[22:07] <slickymaster> thanks bluesabre
[22:07] <knome> ochosi, i mean, the changes itself are okay, nothing wrong with them; they just landed quite late and gave us this translation issue
[22:07] <slickymaster> on the worst bad timing possible
[22:20] <ochosi> k
[22:43] <ochosi> hey pleia2
[22:43] <ochosi> first of all, nice interview in the fridge!
[22:44] <pleia2> hey ochosi
[22:44] <pleia2> thanks :)
[22:45] <ochosi> secondly, i'm curious about your tie-breaking skills :]
[22:45] <pleia2> ah yes, I saw mention of gimp and libreoffice
[22:46] <ochosi> at least iirc you were the last one to vote, which makes it all the more fun
[22:47] <knome> ochosi, what's the situation now?
[22:47] <knome> are we dropping abiword/gnumeric anyway?
[22:47] <ochosi> yeah
[22:47] <knome> great
[22:47] <ochosi> but both gimp and LO are in tight spots
[22:47] <knome> i mean...
[22:47] <knome> it's progress.
[22:47] <knome> ;)
[22:48] <ochosi> despite having a team vote result, we might have to discuss those two further in the 15.10 cycle
[22:49] <ochosi> (assess how much space things take and if we go for LO, we need to settle on what parts we'd go for)
[22:49] <pleia2> how are they in tight spots?
[22:49] <ochosi> gimp: pro: 3, con: 3, 0: 3
[22:49] <ochosi> same for LO
[22:49] <knome> pleia2, you being the tiebreaker
[22:49] <bluesabre> glad I voted yesterday
[22:50] <knome> pleia2, well not the tiebreaker, but the deciding vote...
[22:50] <pleia2> did we drop gimp at some point?
[22:50] <ochosi> nope
[22:50] <knome> pleia2, unless you vote +0, when ochosi's vote becomes tiebreaker
[22:50] <knome> pleia2, no :(
[22:50] <knome> oh wait, did we?
[22:50] <knome> when we wanted to fit a CD
[22:50] <knome> then we reintroduced that and abiword and gnumeric
[22:50] <pleia2> I thought we did, but I forget now
[22:50] <knome> surely we did that
[22:50] <ochosi> pleia2: no rush, take your time to read up on the discussion - you still have a week until time runs out
[22:51] <pleia2> I think we drop gimp (as much as I love it so, my poor, darling gimp!), and bring on LO (i've felt this way for ages)
[22:51] <knome> "Gnumeric and GIMP are reintroduced on the ISO" <- 13.04 release
[22:51] <knome> yay for dropping gimp
[22:51] <bluesabre> pleia2: that sounds like a good outcome
[22:51] <pleia2> I don't need to read more about LO
[22:51] <knome> boo for bringing LO :P
[22:51] <ochosi> :)
[22:52] <ochosi> sounds good to me
[22:52] <knome> ochosi, set a vote for the components to include...
[22:52] <bluesabre> LO looks more like Gtk than abiword and gnumeric oftentimes
[22:52] <ochosi> also because it's maximum change, and 15.10 is still for trying things out before we settle on something for the LTS
[22:52] <knome> LO always looks more like an office suite
[22:52] <pleia2> based on feedback on mailing lists and social media from our users, LO is what people use
[22:52] <knome> yes
[22:52] <ochosi> true
[22:53] <knome> slickymaster, be ready to rewrite the documentation...
[22:53] <ochosi> lol
[22:53] <bluesabre> knome: gave you something to do https://code.launchpad.net/~bluesabre/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/+merge/255596 :)
[22:53] <knome> i'll do that right now
[22:54] <knome> oh man
[22:54] <knome> what kind of conflict do i have now
[22:54] * knome rebranches
[22:56] <bluesabre> lol
[22:56] <bluesabre> just setting history straight :)
[22:57] <knome> done
[22:57] <bluesabre> yay
[22:58] <bluesabre> actually, should have made that string shorter, woops
[22:58] <bluesabre> Unit193 will pick on me for that one later
[22:59] <knome> lol
[22:59] <knome> Unit193 is Mr. Pickles
[23:03] <bluesabre> mhm
[23:03] <knome> sent mail to -devel, please discuss :)
[23:03] <bluesabre> Unit193 CookieMonster Pickles
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"Subsentient",
"Unit193",
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"slickymasterWork"
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"channel": "#xubuntu-devel"
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-nl
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[00:41] <premiehunter> weet iemand toevallig hoe ik disk kan mouten tijdesn startup
[00:41] <premiehunter> ?
[01:12] <OerHeks> Toevoegen aan Fstab premiehunter
[01:12] <OerHeks> http://wiki.ubuntu-nl.org/community/Fstab
[01:13] <OerHeks> map maken in /media/ en daar mounten.
[01:18] <MichaelTiebesl> hoi allemaal
[01:20] <lohkulla> heej
[01:20] <MichaelTiebesl> lohkulla, hoi
[01:22] <lohkulla> ik blijf steeds een error krijgen als ik 538 wil luisteren in rhythm box :) kan iemand mij helpen?
[01:22] <lohkulla> ik zal even wat achtergrond info geven
[01:23] <lohkulla> ik zit momenteel op 14.04LTS 64-bits
[01:24] <lohkulla> en ik heb geprobeerd om handmatig de package te instaleren maar ik heb geen idee hoe kan checken of dit ook echt gelukt is (ik heb ubuntu nu 3 dagen)
[01:25] <MichaelTiebesl> is the url correct van 538?
[01:28] <MichaelTiebesl> ik heb net de url geiinstalleerd en het werkt goed hier
[01:29] <MichaelTiebesl> http://82.201.100.9:8000/radio538
[20:54] <MichaelTiebesl> hoi allemaal
[21:00] <lordievader> o/
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"authors": [
"MichaelTiebesl",
"OerHeks",
"lohkulla",
"lordievader",
"premiehunter"
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"url": "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/04/08/%23ubuntu-nl.txt",
"channel": "#ubuntu-nl"
}
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-co
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[00:43] <Ubuntero|89144> Hola
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.766943
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-us-mi
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[02:29] <snypz> hello all
[12:41] <cmaloney> Morning
[12:41] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I see you found your dream-keyboard
[13:06] <SneakyPhil> good morning
[14:07] <rick_h_> cmaloney: :) and going to try the greens
[14:07] <cmaloney> Y'know, if I could figure out how to get mutt to display images for rss feeds I'd be happier
[14:07] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Really? I'd like to give them a quick test as well
[14:07] <rick_h_> we'll see then when this thing massdrops :)
[14:07] <cmaloney> I'd love to get my hands on some clears to try out
[14:08] <rick_h_> I wanted to try something firmer than the blues
[14:08] <rick_h_> quiet mechanical keyboard fml :P
[14:08] <cmaloney> Oh, those are clacky?
[14:08] <cmaloney> Right, greens are clacky.
[14:08] <cmaloney> n/m. :)
[14:29] <cmaloney> Seriously though, if mutt had better image support I think I'd ditch Thunderbird entirely.
[14:47] <SneakyPhil> would something like this work? https://cuasan.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/viewing-images-with-mutt-on-ubuntu-via-mailcap-configuration/
[14:47] <cmaloney> Hm, that's interesting. :)
[14:48] <cmaloney> Was hoping for something more like w3m handing the images
[14:48] <cmaloney> since it does that pretty brilliantly.
[14:50] <SneakyPhil> boom http://paul.kuntke.de/blog/2012/07/16/view-images-in-mutt/
[15:59] <cmaloney> Thanks. Unfortunately I thinkn there's something hinky in my mutt config.
[16:00] <derekv> how in the world can you still use mutt?
[16:00] <derekv> i had to give up like 10 years ago since everyone was sending me html
[16:00] <greg-g> every mail client sucks, it just sucks the least
[16:00] <greg-g> I use mutt for all work and personal email
[16:00] <derekv> eh, i'd say it was the best
[16:00] <derekv> but i couldn't get it wired up to handle html in any reasonable way
[16:01] <greg-g> derekv: read the tagline that I misquoted: http://www.mutt.org/ ;)
[16:01] <cmaloney> derekv: I like it because it gets me in and out of mail quicker than thunderbird
[16:02] <cmaloney> I can focus
[16:02] <greg-g> taht
[16:02] <cmaloney> The only problem is I use rss2email for feeds
[16:03] <cmaloney> and opening a browser for comics is a royal PITA
[16:03] <greg-g> so, lack of focus :)
[16:03] <greg-g> oh
[16:03] <derekv> yea i'm totally in agreement... nvm i'll ask later
[16:03] <derekv> gtg
[16:05] <cmaloney> I mean it's kind of an edge-case
[16:05] <cmaloney> and frankly it's not a deal-breaker but it's my biggest nice-to-have
[16:05] <cmaloney> And yes, I could use [rss-feeder-of-choice] instead
[16:06] <cmaloney> but rss2email really fits my workflow
[16:57] <mrgoodcat> any dwm users here?
[16:58] <rick_h_> nope, awesomeWM
[17:09] <cscheib> xfce
[17:15] <cmaloney> Unity. :)
[17:16] <cscheib> ugh.
[17:16] <cscheib> oops, did I say that out loud?
[17:19] <greg-g> gnome-shell!
[17:39] <SneakyPhil> gui? doesn't that make things all sticky
[17:42] <mrgoodcat> well i guess my question isn't really dwm specific anyways. i'm trying to get the volume of hw:0,0 in c. for some reason i keep getting 87...
[17:44] <mrgoodcat> ah nevermind i got it
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.772798
| 2015-04-08T00:00:00 |
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-pt
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[03:06] <astroo-> ciao pessoal
[20:31] <astroo-> ola pessoal
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.773660
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2015-04-08-#ubuntu-us-tn
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[19:54] <xTEMPLARx> sshhh
[20:53] <bwmaker> Nope.
[20:57] <xTEMPLARx> fine. be that way
[20:57] <xTEMPLARx> its people like you what cause unreset.
[20:57] <xTEMPLARx> haha
[20:57] <xTEMPLARx> unrest*
[21:12] <bwmaker> Yeah, something defiance disorder?
[21:12] <bwmaker> I think I have that.
[21:14] <bwmaker> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder
[21:14] <bwmaker> "actively refuses to comply with majority's requests or consensus-supported rules;"
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.775918
| 2015-04-08T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-se
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[07:53] <K350> Hur kan en ISP hävda att de är snabbast i test. Kör de inte alla på mer eller mindre samma kablar?
[07:58] <Barre> K350: Nu är detta inte ett försvarstal för att marknadsföra sig som "snabbast i test", men infrastrukturen består av mer än enbart kablar, så som switcha, routrar och annat smått och gott, sen hur arkitekturen ser ut med over subscription och säkerligen mycket annat som skiljer de olika ISP:erna
[08:02] <K350> Barre: Ja, du. Jag försöker klu aut vilkenISP jag ska byta till. Elle r i varje fall vilken ISP ja gkanske inte ska byta till.
[08:07] <Barre> K350: inte lätt, det är en djungel. Personligen tycker jag Bahnhof verkar sympatiska och verkar ha sina användare i fokus när det kommer till användarnas integritet, men jag har själv aldrig varit kund hos dem. Kör själv ett Telia-abbonemang via öppenfiber, rätt nöjd än så länge.
[08:12] <K350> Barre: Har varit Bahnhof-kund. De var jättebra tills nätet gick ned och det tog em en månad att ens skicka över någon för at kolla upp saken. ComHem ger mig inte lika mycket av bandbredde som Banhnhof. Dessuotm SSH:ar de in i modemet ma får från dem. Men ljuger om att de har SSH access till modemet.
[09:25] <andol_> Sen när man väljer ISP kan man ju även vilja ta hänsyn till ifall de ger en IPv6 eller ej? :)
[10:56] <Hund> Jag har Bahnhof.
[10:59] <Hund> K350: Är du säker på att det var Bahnhof som ansvarade för driften av nätet då? I nästan alla fall hyr din ISP nätet av någon som driftar det. Så oavsett vem du får din räkning ifrån så är det samma gubbar som ansvarar för det.
[14:01] <Zooklubba> De kan ju ha olika peeringavtal med resten av världen.
[14:01] <Zooklubba> Men inom Sverige är det väl typ enbart Telia som äger allt? De har väl fingrarna i kakburken för de större kablarna till staterna/england/nederländerna
[14:26] <Hund> Telia är väl med på mycket, men långt ifrån allt.
[15:14] <Hooters> Howdy
[15:16] <Hooters> hur tar jag på ett säkert sätt bort en fil som heter ?*?
[15:18] <bamsefar> Hooters: rm '?*?'
[15:19] <bamsefar> Hooters: Nästa lektion i shellkunskap, hur tar du bort en fil som heter -r ? :)
[15:19] <Hooters> :)
[15:21] <Hooters> rm: cannot remove `?*?': No such file or directory
[15:22] <bamsefar> Har du en sån fil då?
[15:22] <Hooters> jau
[15:22] <bamsefar> [emj@laptop-emj-se derpderp]$ cat > ?*?
[15:22] <bamsefar> [emj@laptop-emj-se derpderp]$ ls
[15:22] <bamsefar> ?*?
[15:22] <bamsefar> [emj@laptop-emj-se derpderp]$ rm -f '?*?'
[15:22] <bamsefar> [emj@laptop-emj-se derpderp]$ ls
[15:23] <bamsefar> Works for me. :)
[15:23] <Hooters> Misstänker att jag haft "besök"
[15:25] <Hooters> provade: rm -i *
[15:25] <Hooters> rm: remove regular file `\n*\n'?
[15:26] <Hooters> nu e den borta, tack för hjälpen
[15:27] <Hooters> när jag gjorde ls stod det ?*?, men vid rm -i *, stod det \n*\n
[16:11] <Zooklubba> Hund: Telia har ju iaf en till usa. Som någon förstörde förra året :P
[16:11] <Zooklubba> Försökte googla lite mer infrastruktur och ägarskap mellan kablar ut och in till sverige. Tänker mer till exchanges. Min google-fu är inte bra nog.
[18:22] <Hund> :D
[20:12] <Laban> Linux är gött på många sätt... men för i helvete, varför tillåter den newline i filnamnet?!? :)
[20:22] <Hund> Laban: Newline?
[20:35] <Laban> \n
[20:35] <Laban> Som exemplet ovan, \n*\n
[20:51] <Hund> Ah
[20:51] <Hund> Läste inte så långt upp.
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.800327
| 2015-11-17T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-us-ca
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[03:32] <mobilephone31415> Hello. Does anyone have a YouTube channel they'd like to share?
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.802147
| 2015-11-17T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-ru
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[07:29] <Leagnus> Боброе утро
[07:29] <Leagnus> нобабря
[10:33] <tagezi> утра всем
[10:35] <AleksU> привет
[10:38] <SergeyIT> угу
[17:15] <R4nd0om1z3r> бобрый вечер
[17:16] <tagezi> вечер
[17:16] <R4nd0om1z3r> кто-нибудь пробовал запускать rackarack с внешней звуковой карточкой Lexicon Alpha?
[17:28] <R4nd0om1z3r> видать никто
[17:31] <andrex> это за раскаряк тако)
[17:32] <andrex> й
[17:32] <R4nd0om1z3r> гитарный процессор програмный
[17:32] <R4nd0om1z3r> Rakarrack
[17:32] <andrex> jack ковыряй
[17:32] <R4nd0om1z3r> ищу вот способы прикрутить его к внешней звуковой карточке Lexicon Alpha USB
[17:32] <R4nd0om1z3r> дык ковыряю
[17:35] <andrex> просто звук через джек пашет?
[17:35] <R4nd0om1z3r> нет
[17:36] <R4nd0om1z3r> проще опишу что я имею: внешняя звуковуха усб, усб наушники, и интегрированое аудио
[17:36] <andrex> скрин кинь
[17:36] <R4nd0om1z3r> чего именно скрин?
[17:36] <R4nd0om1z3r> окна джека?
[17:36] <andrex> джека
[17:37] <R4nd0om1z3r> о
[17:37] <R4nd0om1z3r> заработало
[17:37] <R4nd0om1z3r> быгыгы
[17:38] <R4nd0om1z3r> andrex ты 100% админ, эффект присутствия срабатывает
[17:38] <andrex> бывает
[17:38] <andrex> )
[17:40] <R4nd0om1z3r> ладно, пойду я
[21:03] <pr0mode> вечера
[21:04] <tagezi> да ночь уже какбы
[21:04] <andrex> утра
[21:04] <andrex> гг
[21:05] <pr0mode> )
[21:08] <Sergey_IT> а у кого-то и полярная вечера
[21:08] <andrex> угу а у когото полярная ночера
[21:09] <andrex> афигеть как можно выспаться
[21:09] <tagezi> угу, а на другом конце земли полярная дня )
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.810957
| 2015-11-17T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-17-#launchpad-dev
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[15:32] <sil2100> Hello everyone!
[15:33] <sil2100> I seem to have a strange problem with launchpadlib
[15:33] <sil2100> Not sure what could be the reason...
[15:34] <sil2100> My script querries two archives constantly, one PPA and one ubuntu archive - everything looks fine up to a point where suddenly when doing getLatestSourcePublication() I get an error in /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/launchpadlib/launchpad.py
[15:34] <sil2100> Sorry for the paste:
[15:35] <sil2100> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/launchpadlib/launchpad.py", line 125, in _bad_oauth_token
[15:35] <sil2100> (content.startswith("Expired token")
[15:35] <sil2100> TypeError: startswith first arg must be bytes or a tuple of bytes, not str
[15:35] <sil2100> I do a lot of getLatestSourcePublication(), getPublishedBinaries() and such
[15:35] <cjwatson> Can you pastebin your entire script? And are you running it interactively on your normal system, or is it running in cron on a server somewhere?
[15:36] <cjwatson> Oh, and also this is probably https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1471894
[15:36] <mup> Bug #1471894: _bad_oauth_token crashes on python3 (str vs bytes) <launchpadlib :New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471894>
[15:36] <sil2100> It's running on my machine, let me pastebinit
[15:36] <sil2100> Oh, looks promising
[15:37] <cjwatson> Either drop back to Python 2 or apply the patch in the MP attached to that bug
[15:37] <sil2100> cjwatson: thanks!
[15:37] <sil2100> Let me try that
[15:38] <sil2100> cjwatson: could we get that SRUed to earlier releases?
[15:38] <sil2100> Or maybe it did, maybe it's just not in vivid
[15:40] <cjwatson> It hasn't been released upstream yet ...
[15:41] <cjwatson> I can at least attempt to sort *that* bit out
[15:43] <sil2100> Anyway, thanks a lot, I didn't know if it was something broken on my script or elsewhere, as I never had this error before
[15:43] <sil2100> Even though I'm always using python3
[15:44] <sil2100> cjwatson: ok, now I can see the real error... so when trying to do this:
[15:45] <sil2100> b = archive.getPublishedBinaries(binary_name='ca-certificates', version='20141019ubuntu0.15.04.1', exact_match=True)
[15:45] <sil2100> b[0].build.getLatestSourcePublication()
[15:45] <sil2100> I get a 401 - unauthorized
[15:45] <sil2100> I just want to get the source package of a published binary - how can I be unauthorized?
[15:49] <cjwatson> sil2100: so, that's a bit awkward - the build was actually off in the security PPA, and you're unauthorized because you can't see the source package publishing history *there*
[15:50] <cjwatson> sil2100: can you file a bug about this? there are a couple of different plausible solutions and I want to consult with wgrant when he reappears
[15:51] <sil2100> cjwatson: sure, will do, in the meantime I'll probably just skip this package once that happens, not much I can do right now ;)
[15:54] <cjwatson> Yeah, I can't think of an easy satisfactory workaround there
[15:57] <sil2100> Anyway, thanks for clearing this up
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.817429
| 2015-11-17T00:00:00 |
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-on-air
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[14:58] <_Ridgewing> Are we there yet ?
[15:00] <_Ridgewing> dholbach: Are we nearly ready ?
[15:01] <dholbach> _Ridgewing, I won't run the Q&A today
[15:01] <dholbach> dpm, balloons?
[15:11] <_Ridgewing> Can't see anything ....
[15:12] <balloons> i believe it begins in 1 hour, yes?
[15:13] <balloons> indeed. 50 more mins
[15:14] <_Ridgewing> Oh .. ok I wasn't privy t that.
[15:14] <_Ridgewing> **to that
[15:16] <balloons> _Ridgewing, page is updated to reflect the right time and the new video isup
[15:16] <balloons> you can leave it up till you hear voices, hehe
[15:16] <dpm> yeah, Q&A in 45 mins
[15:18] <_Ridgewing> dpm, balloons, oh dear me , http://postimg.org/image/ihlq3tyj9/
[15:19] <dpm> oops, no idea what's going on, the site works for me
[15:20] <_Ridgewing> dpm, Yes it's ok now ... http://postimg.org/image/9ehkbkxij/fd8bc4c6/
[15:25] <_Ridgewing> Oh dratts - I've got to leave at 10 minutes before the end because the Mother in Law has just phoned asking for a coffee & cake.
[15:43] <varen> hi
[15:43] <dpm> hi varen
[15:43] <varen> what is this
[15:44] <dpm> we're about to start the Ubuntu Community Team Q&A in 15 minutes
[15:44] <varen> do we ask our questions here?
[15:45] <_Ridgewing> varen, Yes you do .. Type "QUESTION" before your query to begin.
[15:47] <Cybbro> hello!
[15:48] <_Ridgewing> Cybbro: Hi starts in 13 minutes.
[15:48] <raj_> hello
[15:48] <_Ridgewing> raj_: Hi starts in 13 minutes.
[15:48] <dpm> hi everyone o/
[15:49] <varen> QUESTION how can we delete the Repositories in ubuntu?
[15:49] <_Ridgewing> dpm: Hi starts in 13 .. Oh wait d'oh!
[15:49] <dpm> :-)
[15:50] <dpm> varen, generally support questions are better directed to the forums or ask ubuntu.
[15:50] <_Ridgewing> Hi jake9050
[15:50] <jake9050> @_Ridgewing: Hello :-)
[15:52] <_Ridgewing> 7 minutes to go ..
[15:54] <Cybbro> The pressure is killing me!
[15:56] <_Ridgewing> 4 minutes to go. Deploying youtube tethered stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkjSwjLoybI
[15:59] <theBest> Hello everybody! How are you?
[15:59] <mhall119> hi everyone
[16:00] <_Ridgewing> ½ minute countdown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86bY6Ltrdp4
[16:01] <dpm> ok, about to start in a minute
[16:03] <mhall119> ask your questions here starting with QUESTION in all caps
[16:04] <mhall119> popey: got a link for google code-in for Ubuntu?
[16:04] <popey> https://codein.withgoogle.com/
[16:04] <popey> :)
[16:04] <mhall119> ^^
[16:04] <theBest> QUESTION: What is the Community Council or better: How is Ubuntu structured. Which place does Canonical has in Ubuntu and which the Community. How do those work together?
[16:04] <popey> click our logo
[16:04] <theBest> QUESTION: I have a BQ E4.5 Ubuntu smartphone. Will I also get all those convergence features although this smartphone will most probably never be able to connect to a bigger screen etc.?
[16:04] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Cud we ever get these Blue-tooth beanies into the store if Canonical worked with the manufacturer ? http://www.caseco.ca/product/blu-toque-bluetooth-beanie/
[16:06] <dpm> thanks for the questions everyone :)
[16:06] <popey> _Ridgewing, I spoke to the store people after the question last week, there are no plans to add more things to the store right now.
[16:07] <_Ridgewing> popey: OK, thank-you.
[16:07] <popey> np
[16:07] <mhall119> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22611/ubucon-summit-organization/
[16:09] <dpm> also check out http://community.ubuntu.com for the governance structure
[16:10] <varen> QUESTION where do u think ubuntu is headed
[16:13] <ekimia> Hi
[16:13] <ekimia> mhall119: you should stop the fan behind you , video encoding would be better
[16:14] <dpm> but it's warm in Florida! :)
[16:14] <mhall119> ekimia: then I would be sweaty
[16:15] <dragonbite> maybe turn your desk so the fan is off the screen, or raise the camera so it is looking down more and the fan isn't captured?
[16:15] <mhall119> desk is heavy :)
[16:15] <dragonbite> or just turn off the light of the fan so it is dark spinning in dark?
[16:16] <_Ridgewing> popey: Is the ubucon trademark thing on-going ?
[16:16] <mhall119> _Ridgewing: what trademark thing?
[16:16] <dragonbite> in photography the best lighting comes from behind the photographer (camera)
[16:19] <_Ridgewing> mhall119: Community track 14th down : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Summaries/UOS1511
[16:20] <mhall119> chrome has frozen on me :(
[16:20] <_Ridgewing> mhall119: Yes , I saw that.
[16:21] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Is their any focus on Ubuntu on the desktop that does not relate to the Ubuntu Phone convergence?
[16:21] <_Ridgewing> mhall119: Can I use the "Logo" programming language as a case-study App: in the App-Touch_Development for the mobile ?
[16:22] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Can I use the "Logo" programming language as a case-study App: in the App-Touch_Development for the mobile ? mhall119 soz 'bout that.
[16:22] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: With Mir and unity8 is canonical and valve still working together alot so games are optimised well for mir and all work on that platform or will there be issues with steamOS using wayland and not having contained apps?
[16:23] <puttyn> oh, i am late :'(
[16:23] <_Ridgewing> we've lost Mike.
[16:23] <puttyn> where lost mike?
[16:23] <_Ridgewing> Must be the blu-tooth page.
[16:23] <mhall119> I'm back, had to wait for chrome to finish crashing and restart
[16:23] * _Ridgewing sends out a search team for Mike ..... Halp halp !
[16:24] <theBest> mhall119: Welcome back.
[16:24] <puttyn> QUESTION: have you guys updated to telegram 2.0?
[16:24] <dragonbite> QUESTION (SUGGESTION): when you reference a URL can you also type it in the IRC?
[16:25] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: What is a good foo-bar in California to try ?
[16:25] <_Ridgewing> **that's fow BTWay
[16:25] <mhall119> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/
[16:25] <dpm> https://trello.com/b/jr2sY9l2/snappy-docs
[16:26] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: using steam with the steam controller you had to edit some config to make it work as a controller, is that something you can do with unity 8 on the desktop or will it be more like the phone where you cant edit them if not whats the plan for hardware such as the steam controller? (Valve added a config to make the steam controller work but I had to manually edit it so it worked as a controller)
[16:26] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/developer-ubuntu-com
[16:26] <_Ridgewing> ChloeWolfieGirl: good question
[16:26] <ChloeWolfieGirl> _Ridgewing: thanks :)
[16:27] * _Ridgewing checks his empty sausage try for coins for steam controller ...
[16:27] <_Ridgewing> **sausage tray
[16:28] <ChloeWolfieGirl> _Ridgewing: yeah they're expencive £45 from game >.<,
[16:28] <_Ridgewing> Yeah, I saw they had a stand with the words "STEAM " o it.
[16:28] <dragonbite> Great!
[16:28] <_Ridgewing> **on it
[16:29] * _Ridgewing wonders if mhall119 has candles ?
[16:29] <ChloeWolfieGirl> _Ridgewing: where I got mine they just had like 3 controllers and 6 steam links in the back, like I saw them behind the desk xD
[16:29] <puttyn> QUESTION: devel channel has 16.04 as based, when in stable or rc-proposed?
[16:30] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: What are some fun features and bug fixes that you're excited to see that are coming within the next few months/weeks :)
[16:30] <_Ridgewing> ChloeWolfieGirl: I wonder if these guys have them ? https://uk.webuy.com/
[16:31] <_Ridgewing> Ha Ha Ha move the turtle around .. rofl
[16:32] <ChloeWolfieGirl> _Ridgewing: CEX? I haven't seen them there, but I remember seeing 1+1's that where more expencive there then buying one new
[16:32] <dragonbite> Yes, thanks!
[16:32] <maokei> Is there any way to get the html 5 inspector working on anything higher than 14.04 lts ?
[16:33] <mhall119> _Ridgewing: it's already hot and you want me to light a fire? :/
[16:33] <raj_> Question: when stable ota for ubuntu touch will be introduced
[16:33] <_Ridgewing> mhall119: Don't worry I have a lighter ..
[16:34] * _Ridgewing holds his lighter up for mhall119 ..
[16:34] <maokei> Question: Is there any way to get the html 5 inspector(ubuntu SDK) working on anything higher than 14.04 lts ?
[16:35] <Rat__> Sup every 1 ?
[16:36] <_Ridgewing> coolin'
[16:36] <Rat__> Nice !!
[16:36] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: do you have any insider knowlage of new apps and scopes, if so could you give us a few hints? :P
[16:37] <dpm> https://launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+milestones
[16:37] <mhall119> keep the questions coming
[16:37] <Rayden> Hello. Question: Would we be able to replace Unity with LXDE on the phone version as well?
[16:38] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: |Just for reference : What did you have for breakfast, this morning ?
[16:38] <maokei> To ask a question is syntax "Question:" ?
[16:38] <mhall119> maokei: yes
[16:38] <dragonbite> QUESTION: When Google announced Google Drive they promised a version for Linux is coming, > 5 years ago, and only a half-baked solution was grudgingly thrown out to try to appease people. Is there any communication or cooperation with Google and Ubuntu for their Apps?
[16:38] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: With xmir and older apps working on unity8 with mir, whats the plans with trying to keep everything looking modern and plans with icons and generally making the apps fit in?
[16:38] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: any updates for the HUD? please
[16:38] <_Ridgewing> dpm: Questions, Questions, Questions thick and fast - need to run through these quick.
[16:38] <puttyn> QUESTION: what android apps or games do you guys want to see on ubuntu phone?
[16:39] <dragos_> QUESTION:How to get an free ubuntu phone?
[16:39] <dragonbite> oohh... I'd love one too. :)
[16:39] <maokei> Most likely a bug then
[16:40] <raj_> okay waitin for new ota
[16:40] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: What are your current plans on getting app developers on board with ubuntu for phones?
[16:40] <dragos_> test
[16:41] <Rayden> Question: Would we be able to replace Unity with LXDE on the phone version as well?
[16:42] <dragos_> QUESTION:is there an irc client for Ubuntu phone?
[16:42] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Do you expect the current phone apps to get enough features and good enough to replace the current default on the desktop in the near future, will the file manager beable to beat nautilus in features etc?
[16:42] <dragonbite> darn :(
[16:42] <maokei> Question: Is there any application compatible with google music for ubuntu touch?
[16:45] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: what current android phones would you like to see ubuntu on? is there any nitch you'd like to see phone wise?
[16:45] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: What do nitch do you think ubuntu for phones currently doesn't scratch?
[16:46] <dragonbite> QUESTION: Do you feel the community is more vibrant, less or about the same as it was 5-10 years ago? Has there been a change (maybe when Unity first came out)? Is it growing with the excitement of the phone/touch? Or has it been fairly stable all the way through?
[16:47] <maokei> Question: Is it possible to connect the BQ or meizu phone to a screen like with nexus 4 and nexus 7 to try desktop mode
[16:48] <_Ridgewing> mhall119: facebook ?
[16:48] <_Ridgewing> mhall119: https://prism-break.org/en/
[16:48] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: How does ubuntu phone plan to get faster and more fluid, sometimes it seems a bit slow/slugish, expecially if a scope is refreshing or I'm opening a new app.
[16:49] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: What scopes do you have on your homescreen left to right and why? :D
[16:50] <_Ridgewing> Ok, I gotta go .. the MIL (Mother in law) is phoning me .. Uuurgh !
[16:51] <Rayden> :(
[16:51] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Do you think convergence would help convince developers to port apps if the apps have never been brought to the desktop? Whatsapp isn't available for windows or mac desktop only the phone and web if your phones near by, do you think convergence would make an app like whatsapp care more or not?
[16:51] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Can I record phone calls on the phone, yet . Like I vcan on android and iphone ?
[16:51] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Where can I buy or pay-to-make a cradle for the Aquarius 4.5 ?
[16:52] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: What is the Logo for Xenial Xerus ?
[16:53] <_Ridgewing> QUESTION: Could mhall119 and dpm give out there twitter names for reference (Reddit post).
[16:53] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: are there any apps you feel doesn't get enough developer attention?
[16:54] <Rat__> Question : can we expect an ubuntu touch phone with advanced features like finger print scanner .......3d touch or something to make my ubuntu experience "BETTER"
[16:54] <maokei> Flashing ubuntu-touch on to my nexus 4 :)
[16:54] <dpm> @dplanella, _Ridgewing
[16:54] <dragonbite> hear! hear!
[16:54] <dragonbite> :)
[16:55] <Guest8481> QUESTION:if I'm a developer can I get a free ubuntu phone. my plan is to make an digital frame for Ubuntu phone with mp3. I want to make it like a screensaver. but I need an Ubuntu phone but in Romania nobody sells Ubuntu phones :(
[16:55] <Guest8481> mhall119
[16:56] <dragonbite> good!
[16:57] <ChloeWolfieGirl> QUESTION: Android is for people who like customisation and control, iPhone is for people who want something easy that has alot of polish, who would you say ubuntu phone is for now or what you aim it to be for?
[16:57] <ChloeWolfieGirl> So many questions today, sorry for asking so many xD
[16:58] <dragonbite> ChloeWorlfieGirl, great questions! Don't be sorry! :)
[16:58] <ChloeWolfieGirl> dragonbite: thank you :)
[16:59] <ChloeWolfieGirl> "If I leaved the house more often" I know your feel mhall119 xD
[17:01] <digim0nk> Is Ubuntu Touch being discussed
[17:02] <Guest8481> mhall119 u didn't answered my question
[17:04] <Guest8481> mhall119 my email is [email protected]
[17:05] <mhall119> Guest8481: we don't typically give our free phones to developers
[17:05] <Guest8481> wait why?
[17:05] <mhall119> you can sometimes win them as part of an app development contest though
[17:05] <mhall119> Guest8481: we have lots of developers and not lots of money :)
[17:05] <Guest8481> when is that?
[17:06] <mhall119> we're working on a new contest focused on scopes, I don't know if phones will be a prize though
[17:06] <mhall119> that's still being worked out
[17:06] <Guest8481> scoupes routele
[17:06] <Guest8481> roullete
[17:06] <mhall119> no, different contest
[17:06] <Guest8481> oh...
[17:06] <Guest8481> but u sad in the video u give phones to developers
[17:06] <digim0nk> Will Firefox be ported to Ubuntu Touch
[17:06] <mhall119> Guest8481: Bq sells Ubuntu phones world-wide now
[17:07] <mhall119> you should be able to buy one and have it shipped to Romania
[17:07] <Guest8481> really?
[17:07] <mhall119> yup
[17:07] <Guest8481> mhall119 do u have an old nexus 7?
[17:08] <mhall119> I have a 2012 version, which isn't supported by Ubuntu anymore :(
[17:08] <Guest8481> do u still need it?
[17:08] <mhall119> yes :)
[17:08] <Guest8481> oh :(
[17:08] <Guest8481> ;(
[17:09] <Guest8481> mhall119
[17:09] <mhall119> Guest8481: try https://swappa.com/buy/nexus-7-2013-wifi
[17:09] <Guest8481> I'm 10
[17:10] <Guest8481> I'm Dragos
[17:11] <Guest8481> mhall119
[17:12] <Guest8481> ':(
[17:13] <Guest8481> mhall119?
[17:13] <mhall119> sorry, attention was elsewhere
[17:14] <Guest8481> where?
[17:14] <mhall119> where what?
[17:15] <Guest8481> I would really need that nexus 7 2012
[17:15] <mhall119> the 2012 won't run Ubuntu
[17:15] <Guest8481> but I can port it :)
[17:16] <Guest8481> and ubuntu desktop 13.04 would still run
[17:16] <mhall119> the chipset on it isn't really good for that
[17:16] <Guest8481> but it still works
[17:17] <Guest8481> just thinking about it ... porting Ubuntu on nexus 7 2012 would be a great project
[17:19] <Guest8481> mhall119
[17:23] <Guest8481> please
[17:26] <Guest8481> mhall119
[17:27] <Guest8481> mhall119 my email is [email protected]
[17:28] <Guest8481> and my Facebook is varul dragos
[17:29] <Guest8481> and my Skype is dragos.criste and I'm from Romania timisoara
[17:41] <Guest8481> mhall119
[17:45] <Guest8481> mhall119:
[17:46] * Na3iL is away: AFK
[17:50] <dragos> mhall119: im guest8481
[17:50] <dragos> just a network errror
[17:52] <dragos> mhall119:
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[15:41] <Kwaadpepper> Hi there just noticed that ppa ~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa is failling building, and no wily series also, thanks for the good work so far :p
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-it
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[05:02] <mrkiko> ciao ragazzi
[05:02] <mrkiko> eccomi
[05:03] <mrkiko> Io avrei un problema relativamente semplice da risolvere, ma sono in difficoltà per via di mancanza di hardware oltre che una cattiva tempistica. Avrei bisogno di un filesystem di root ubuntu 64-bit 14.04; lo creerei con debootstrap potendo, ma attualmenten on ho un hardware 64 bit e emulare è ... lentissimo su un eee pc 701
[05:03] <mrkiko> sono un ragazzo non-vedente, quindi non uso l'installazione classica di ubuntu in genere;
[05:03] <mrkiko> ed avrei bisogno solo del filesystem di root per poi arrangiarmi con il boot-loader, grub
[05:04] <mrkiko> Potete aiutarmi?
[05:04] <mrkiko> Avrei bisogno solamente del base system + network-manager; ad installarei l resto mi arrangerei anche
[05:09] <mrkiko> ciao mike67
[05:21] <mrkiko> ... ragazzi, c'è qualcuno?
[06:02] <mrkiko> lA RISPOSTA ERA UBUNTU CORE.
[06:02] <mrkiko> gRAZIE MILLE RAGAZZI
[06:02] <mrkiko> BUONA GIORNATA
[06:02] <mrkiko> E SCUSATE L'IRRUENZA
[06:02] <mrkiko> E TUTTO
[08:14] <glpiana> ola
[09:41] <Guest14673> Ciao a tutti. Non riesco a far avviare Win 8.1 dal dual boot dopo aver installato xubuntu. In particolare selezionando win dal dual boot, mi da messaggio di errore. Il boot dal bios è settato su Legacy, se lo setto su uefi parte solo e sempre win (non mi fa proprio vedere il dual boot)
[09:42] <Carlin0> Guest14673, in legacy ubuntu si avvia ?
[09:45] <Guest14673> si, perfettamente
[09:45] <Guest14673> (ho fatto l'intera installazione con cristian_c che mi ha seguito passo a passo :) )
[09:46] <Carlin0> sei da ubuntu adesso ?
[09:46] <Guest14673> sono su un altro pc, e posso fare tutto quel che mi dite sull'altro
[09:46] <Carlin0> e ma io voglio vedere gli output ...
[09:47] <Guest14673> allora mi collego dall'altro
[09:47] <Carlin0> entra con l'altro da ubuntu che proviamo una cosa
[09:47] <Guest14673> ok, userò lo stesso nichname ma con _ finale
[09:48] <Guest14673_> eccomi
[09:49] <Carlin0> Guest14673_, sudo apt install pastebinit
[09:49] <Carlin0> Guest14673_, sudo update-grug | pastebinit
[09:49] <Carlin0> ops scusa
[09:49] <Carlin0> Guest14673_, sudo update-grub | pastebinit
[09:50] <Carlin0> mett qui il link che l'ultimo crea
[09:52] <Guest14673_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13310677/
[09:53] <Carlin0> riavvia ... l'ha trovato
[09:54] <Guest14673> ho riavviato, dal dual boot ho scelto win e mi dà lo stesso errore delle altre volte :(
[09:55] <FCMI> ciao a tutti, ho un problema. ieri mi si stava aggiornando il mio piccolo nas creato da me con ubuntu e piccola grafica xfce, mi è saltata la corrente e al riavvio mi dava messaggio "error: file 'boot/grub/i386-pc/boot.mod' not found" seguendo la guida su wiki ho cercato di ripristinare Grub ma adesso mi da altro messaggio. reboot e select proper
[09:55] <FCMI> boot device .. che faccio.? :(
[09:56] <Carlin0> Guest14673, allora devi pastrucchiare con uefi e io non sono pratico ...
[09:57] <Guest14673> ok, ti ringrazio lo stesso.
[09:57] <Guest14673> qualun altro che possa aiutarmi?
[09:57] <Carlin0> forse saranno impegnati ... abbi pasiensa
[09:57] <akis24> Guest14673: usa boot repair per vedere se riesce a sistemare il grub
[09:58] <Carlin0> !bootrepair
[09:58] <ubot-it> Boot-Repair è uno strumento grafico per ripristinare l'accesso ad Ubuntu ed altri sistemi operativi: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/BootRepair
[09:59] <akis24> FCMI: prova anche tu con boot-repair
[09:59] <FCMI> gia fatto akis24
[10:01] <akis24> FCMI: non riesci ad avviare il sistema usando una live o boot-repair ?
[10:01] <Guest14673> akis24 non riesco più a far funzionare la chiavetta per avviare in live Xubuntu... ci sono altri modi per avviare boot-repair?
[10:01] <akis24> Guest14673: potresti scaricarti la live e avviarla
[10:02] <FCMI> akis in live riesco ad entrare
[10:03] <Guest14673> ce l'ho ma è in formato .iso.... come mi muovo?
[10:03] <akis24> Guest14673: si deve creare la live ..
[10:04] <Guest14673> ossia...? perdonami ma non sono granchè pratico...
[10:04] <akis24> Guest14673: devi masterizzare la iso su disco
[10:05] <Guest14673> ieri l'ho fatto su usb tramite universal usb installer e ha funzionato, ma ora quella stessa chiavetta non funge più.
[10:05] <FCMI> io sono sul terminale della live akis24
[10:05] <Guest14673> c'è un modo per "ripararla"?
[10:07] <akis24> Guest14673: usando la live di boot-repair quello è il suo compito
[10:08] <akis24> FCMI: dovresti seguire la procedura per reinstallare grub da live
[10:08] <Guest14673> mi sto confondendo.... per avviare boot-repair e sistemare il boot del pc devo usare la live di Xubuntu che al momento si trova sulla mia chiavetta che però non parte. Cosa devo fare?
[10:09] <akis24> Guest14673: per riparare il boot del pc usa boot-repair come ti ho scritto prima scaricati la live e masterizzala su disco oppure usb
[10:10] <Guest14673> Perdonami: la live di boot repair? Non di xubuntu?
[10:10] <akis24> Guest14673: boot-repair esatto
[10:10] <Guest14673> ok, la scarico e provo a masterizzarla. Posso usare Unetbootin?
[10:11] <akis24> Guest14673: prova a usarlo
[10:12] <FCMI2> akis24: ho gia fatto la procedura
[10:13] <Jonnytres> salve
[10:14] <Jonnytres> su un pc con atom 1ghz e 1gb ram cosa mi consigliate lubuntu o xubuntu??
[10:14] <akis24> FCMI: fai vedere fdisk -l da live
[10:14] <akis24> Jonnytres: lubuntu al massimo
[10:15] <akis24> FCMI: usa pastebin per postare il risultato del comando
[10:16] <akis24> !paste | FCMI
[10:16] <ubot-it> FCMI: http://paste.ubuntu.com/ servizio che permette di incollare lunghi output senza intasare il canale; incollare il testo, indicare il nick, premere paste e postare in canale l'indirizzo della pagina
[10:16] <FCMI2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13310912/
[10:18] <Jonnytres> Sono meglio le versioni LTS o non?
[10:19] <akis24> FCMI2: unica partizione per ubuntu ?
[10:19] <FCMI2> si akis24
[10:20] <akis24> Jonnytres: se ci si deve lavorare meglio usare le versioni LTS che sono stabile e hanno supporto per 5 anni
[10:21] <Jonnytres> Okay. Grazie mille!! Siete sempre i migliori
[10:21] <akis24> FCMI2: ora dal terminale sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[10:22] <FCMI2> fatto
[10:23] <akis24> FCMI2: in sequenza uno alla volta --> sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
[10:24] <FCMI2> ok
[10:24] <akis24> FCMI2: sudo chroot /mnt grub-install /dev/sda update-grub2
[10:26] <FCMI2> mi aggiunge anche questa voce :Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration
[10:27] <akis24> FCMI2: grub-install --recheck /dev/sda e metti su paste
[10:28] <akis24> FCMI2: hai bios uefi ?
[10:29] <FCMI2> si ma non lo uso
[10:29] <akis24> FCMI: e mica importa che non lo usi se hai bios uefi devi usare boot-repair per tentare di sistemare il boot
[10:30] <FCMI2> non riesco a metterlo su paste >*
[10:30] <akis24> FCMI2: come mai ? ti basta fare copia e incolla su paste
[10:31] <FCMI2> Installing for i386-pc platform.
[10:31] <FCMI2> Installation finished. No error reported.
[10:32] <FCMI2> sono le due voci che mi da di risposta con il comando che mi hai chiesto
[10:33] <akis24> FCMI2: digita exit e poi a seguire sudo umount /mnt/dev sudo umount /mnt/proc sudo umount /mnt/sys sudo umount /mnt/ e riavvia ma dubito funzioni
[10:34] <akis24> FCMI2: nel caso scarica boot-repair e prova a riparare con quella
[10:35] <akis24> FCMI2: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/BootRepair/
[10:35] <FCMI2> e la stessa procedura che ho eseguito per riparare a mano
[10:35] <FCMI2> per; dopo aver usato boot repair
[10:35] <FCMI2> riavvio
[10:35] <akis24> FCMI2: le mie conoscenze si fermano qui ..
[10:36] <FCMI> parlo da qui intanto
[10:39] <FCMI> nulla... chiede sempre di inserire un disco di boot valido
[10:42] <akis24> FCMI: usa boot-repair e se non riesce neanche quello mi sa' che devi reinstallare la procedura fatta funziona in caso di installazione standard ma con uefi è diversa
[10:43] <FCMI> ma esiste una procedura per uefi nel caso.?
[10:43] <akis24> FCMI: come ti dicevo usare boot-repair
[10:44] <FCMI> che ho provato ad usare.... ma ci riprovo...
[10:48] <FCMI> ubuntu amministrazione grub
[10:48] <akis24> FCMI: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/BootRepair/
[10:56] <FCMI2> akis24 ci sei
[10:56] <akis24> FCMI2: dimmi
[10:57] <FCMI2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13311341/
[10:57] <FCMI2> non ho ancora fatto fare correzioni
[11:03] <akis24> FCMI2: hai disattivato secure boot dal bios ? The boot of your PC is in EFI mode, but no EFI partition was detected. You may want to retry after creating a EFI partition (FAT32, 100MB~250MB, start of the disk, boot flag).
[11:03] <akis24> Do you want to continue?
[11:04] <akis24> FCMI2: hai un bel casino sembra .. prova a disattivare il secure boot e vedi se riesce ad avviarsi il sistema
[11:05] <FCMI2> da bios.
[11:06] <akis24> FCMI2: si da bios devi disattivare e sul secondo disco cosa hai installato ?
[11:06] <FCMI2> ho un disco solo.... e la chiavetta del live
[11:07] <FCMI2> quando ho installato ubuntu server ho seguito la formattazione disco singolo
[11:07] <akis24> FCMI2: disattiva uefi dal bios
[11:07] <FCMI2> ok
[11:13] <FCMI> akis24 ma come lo disattivo..? non trovo una voce che ne parli
[11:14] <akis24> FCMI: non saprei dovresti vedere dal bios le varie voci una di sicuro riguarda uefi oppure leggere il manuale della scheda madre
[11:14] <akis24> FCMI: di che pc si parla ?
[11:15] <FCMI> ho creato un piccolo nas con materiale che avevo... una ASRock D1800B-Itx con intel integrato
[11:15] <FCMI> un hard disk da un tera
[11:15] <FCMI> e basta
[11:15] <akis24> FCMI: scaricati il manuale della scheda madre allora e leggi li
[11:17] <FCMI> il manuale lo ho... ma non dice nulla del bios
[11:22] <akis24> FCMI: manuale utente dice .. ma al solito mica lo scaricate o leggete sembra tu debba usare f2 all'avvio del pc oppure il tasto " canc " e si dovrebbe avere il setup dell'uefi
[11:23] <FCMI> e fino li ci sono
[11:23] <akis24> FCMI: devo fare io per te ??? scaricati il manuale utente e leggi la procedura
[11:24] <FCMI> akis24 quello che intendo... non trovo la voce per disattivare secure boot come dicevi prima
[11:25] <akis24> FCMI: http://prntscr.com/93q2i2
[11:25] <akis24> io ora chiudo devo andare ..
[11:29] <olrac> sto installando ubuntu con partizione tra windows 8.1 e ubuntu 14.04,3 tls- Dopo aver attivato la prova ora sto cercando di installarlo definitivamente. Al punto tipo d'istallazione non ho saputo piu cosa fare e alla fine o cliccato su rupristina. Ora aspetto ma non succede niente e non riesco a fermare la rotella di attesa
[11:30] <olrac> nessuna anima gentile mi aiuta?
[11:35] <olrac> vado, grazie lo stesso
[13:14] <mario88> ciao a tutti, sto per installare kubuntu 15.10 sul mio pc in dual boot windows 10...vero che devo settare la partizione efi nella voce "device per l'installazione del bootloader"? Nel mio caso dev/sda2?
[13:15] <mario88> * ovviamente intendo installarlo in uefi con gpt
[13:16] <krabador> mario88: lascia perdere kubuntu 15.10
[13:16] <krabador> ha una marea di problemi decisamente gravi
[13:16] <krabador> mario88: si, il bootloader va nella partizione EFI
[13:23] <mario88> che mi consigli allora?
[13:25] <krabador> mario88: un'altra derivata, o ubuntu , a tuo gusto
[13:25] <krabador> puoi fare la pendrive , e provarle
[13:26] <mario88> purtroppo ho una connessione a 70kb/s e vi lascio immaginare il tempo necessario per provarle tutte (5 ore a testa solo per il download)...ammettendo che unity non mi piace, tu personalmente quale apprezzi maggiormente?
[13:28] <krabador> beh , guarda, quello che può andar bene per me può non andar bene per te, considera che gli ambienti grafici sono molto diversi tra loro
[13:29] <krabador> xubuntu e lubuntu sono le più "tradizionali" e leggere
[13:30] <mario88> io cercavo qualcosa proprio tipo kde...insomma un ambiente completo in tutto e per tutto ...quello più vicino ad esso secondo te qual è?
[13:31] <krabador> tutti gli ambienti sono completi
[13:31] <ExPBoy> mario88, cosa intendi dire con completo?
[13:32] <krabador> GNOME 3 , oltre a unity , è l'altra faccia del desktop linux , xfce e lxde sono i più leggeri , e mate praticamente GNOME 2
[13:32] <mario88> intendo qualcosa che sia facile da configurare nelle impostazioni, che per esempio cliccando con il tasto destro nel file manager ci siano tutte le voci utili (per creare file etc) e cose così..ho 8 gb di ram e un core i5
[13:32] <krabador> mario88: va sul sito delle derivate, guarda gli screen
[13:33] <ExPBoy> creare un file?
[13:33] <krabador> i più moderni sono GNOME 3 e KDE , sebbene kde5 è improponibile , a livello di funzionalità
[13:34] <mario88> Mi ricordo ad esempio che su un vecchio pc con xubuntu nel menù del tasto destro mancavano molte cose che a me erano utili
[13:34] <krabador> xfce è un compromesso tra modernità e leggerezza
[13:34] <mario88> Credo che opterò per GNOME 3 allora...immagino sia molto stabile giusto?
[13:34] <krabador> si
[13:35] <mario88> Già che ci sono vi chiedo ancora una cosa...avevo letto qualche giorno fa di una iso da scaricare contenente tutti gli ambienti grafici di ubuntu...c'è qualche controindicazione nell'usare una cosa del genere?
[13:36] <mario88> http://www.chimerarevo.com/linux/ubuntu-15-10-tutti-o-quasi-i-flavor-in-una-sola-iso-197437/
[13:36] <mario88> Linux Aio
[13:37] <ExPBoy> mario88, occhio a quei siti...
[13:37] <krabador> mario88: noi rispondiamo solo di ciò che è ufficiale
[13:37] <krabador> esatto
[13:37] <ExPBoy> eh
[13:37] <krabador> mario88: ciò che fanno terze parti
[13:37] <krabador> con ISO eccetera non ci riguarda
[13:37] <mario88> Ah ok, pensavo fossero qualcosa di 'vostro', scusate...
[13:37] <krabador> no
[13:38] <mario88> Va bene ho deciso opterò per GNOME 3...
[14:52] <FCMI> c'è nessuno ?
[14:54] <Dix78> !nessuno | FCMI
[14:54] <ubot-it> FCMI: se nessuno parla in canale non significa che non ci siano utenti attivi. Fate la vostra domanda tecnica e se qualcuno vorrà rispondervi lo farà
[14:55] <FCMI> Dix78 grazie... ma per curiosità chiedevo..
[14:55] <Dix78> FCMI, c'è sempre (o quasi) qualcuno che legge :)
[14:57] <FCMI> Dix78 ho un problema con un nas che mi sono creato e che in fase di aggiornamento mi è saltata la corrente. Il problema riguardava inizialmente grub che poi seguendo le guide in parte credevo di avere risolto. adesso mi dice di inserire un disco di boot valido però.. :(
[14:59] <FCMI> ho provato sia a mano che con boot repair ma non c'è verso.. ho uefi purtroppo
[15:00] <FCMI> disabilitato secur boot da sempre... ma nulla..!! Che posso fare.?
[15:41] <FCMI> akis24 ciao... scusa se disturbo... mi sono fermato e non sono più andato avanti per il problema di stamattina.. il secur boot era in ogni caso disabilitato.
[15:42] <akis24> FCMI: allora sarebbe dovuta avviarsi il sistema visto che segnalava grub correttamente installato
[15:42] <akis24> dovuto*
[15:42] <FCMI> ma che ne so... continua a dirmi di inserire disco di boot valido
[15:42] <akis24> FCMI: pero' hai problemi di partizione pure oltre al resto
[15:44] <FCMI> quello non te lo so dire, come ti ho già detto in fase di installazione ho seguito il passo di fare formattare con disco singolo
[15:44] <akis24> FCMI: hai installato seguendo la procedura standard oppure uefi ?
[15:45] <FCMI> inserito chiavetta usb e avviato l'installer di ubuntu
[15:45] <FCMI> da boot
[15:45] <akis24> FCMI: quindi standard direi
[15:46] <FCMI> assolutamente si
[15:47] <akis24> FCMI: prova a rimandare fdisk -l ma dubito ne veniamo a capo metti su paste tutto
[15:56] <FCMI2> akis24 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13314097/
[15:57] <akis24> FCMI: perche' hai creato una partizione estesa per poi metterci la swap ?
[15:58] <akis24> FCMI: visto che avevi solo ubuntu puoi creare fino a quattro partizioni sul disco e come vedi ci sono problemi con /sda2
[15:59] <FCMI2> akis24 mi spiego meglio. disco vergine installato, inserisco chiavetta di ubuntu, seguo istruzioni e faccio fare tutto all-installer... io non ho creato partizioni o altro
[16:00] <FCMI2> il tutto mi ha funzionato fino al momento in cui si stava aggiornando ed [ saltata la corrente in condominio.. ed ero sprovvisto di ups.. >/*
[16:01] <FCMI2> funzionava tutto sia in rete che su internet fuori rete
[16:01] <FCMI2> da altri dispositivi
[16:02] <FCMI2> non sono un mago di ubuntu... ho piccole conoscenze... mi ci stavo mettendo recentemente a capirne
[16:02] <akis24> !ripristino | FCMI
[16:02] <ubot-it> FCMI: Per ripristinare un sistema danneggiato: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/RipristinoInstallazione
[16:04] <FCMI2> vale anche per la 14.04
[16:04] <cristian_c> FCMI2: m procurati un uninterruptable power supply
[16:04] <FCMI2> LTS
[16:04] <cristian_c> meglio noto come ups
[16:05] <FCMI2> cristian_c ti ringrazio ma come ho scritto sopra, non ne ero al momento provvisto
[16:08] <FCMI2> domanda stupida,,, nel caso, io posso adesso vedere il contenuto del disco per eventualmente salvare qualche dato._
[16:09] <krabador> si, puoi montare le partizioni , se non hanno subito problemi
[16:10] <Carlin0> FCMI2, copia incolla su disco esterno
[16:10] <Carlin0> la cosa + semplice ...
[16:12] <FCMI> scusate parlo dall'altro pc..
[16:14] <FCMI> krabador e Carlin0 grazie ad akis24 mi ha aiutato in qualcosa... ma guardando il risultato del log di boot repair si capisce se è grave la cosa o meno.? http://paste.ubuntu.com/13311341/
[16:15] <krabador> FCMI, in 14.04 uefi è implementato meno che in 15.10
[16:15] <FCMI> se no salvo i dati salvabili e reinstallo tutto..!
[16:15] <Carlin0> FCMI, ma non avevi uefi o sbaglio ?
[16:16] <FCMI> si ma ho seguito l'installazione standard
[16:17] <Carlin0> infatti... potevi provare col ripristino del grub standard o provare ad avviar el'OS con supergrub disk
[16:18] <FCMI> hard disk vergine chiavetta con ubuntu server in boot e partenza di installazione... ho fatto solo questo Carlin0
[16:19] <krabador> ubuntu server?
[16:19] <FCMI> si krabador
[16:19] <FCMI> 14.04 lts
[16:25] <FCMI> il problema che adesso non mi spiego è che prima mi diceva error: file 'boot/grub/i386-pc/boot.mod' not found adesso dopo aver provato seguendo wiki a correggerlo mi dice di inserire un disco di boot valido... :-(
[16:53] <fra79> cia a tutti ! ho da pochi giorni installato sul mio vecchio portatile (vaio vgn-fs315h) lubuntu 15, va meravigliosamente bene! il problema loriscontro utilizzando trasmission, mi salta la connesione a tal punto che devo riavviare il router! potete consigliarmi??
[16:55] <krabador> fra79, ed è l'unica cosa che fa saltare la connessione?
[16:55] <fra79> si!
[16:56] <Carlin0> fra79, da transmission menu modifica → preferenze → rete → nomero massimo di nodi metti 50 per torrent e 200 totali
[16:56] <fra79> il programma gira bene per alcuni minuti, poi salta!
[16:57] <Carlin0> fra79, se da ancora problemi abbassa ulteriormente
[16:57] <fra79> ok ci provo immediatamente!grazie mille!!
[16:57] <krabador> fra79, scusami, con che router e quale compagnia hai?
[16:57] <fra79> sitecom wlm-3550 e la compagnia è tiscali
[16:58] <fra79> che in genere con utorrent andava discretamente, mi era successo qualcosa di simile ma molto raramente
[16:59] <Carlin0> fra79, quel rutter non è il massimo cmq
[17:00] <fra79> ne sono conapevole..
[17:08] <krabador> fra79, molte compagnie hanno filtri per lo sharing
[17:09] <krabador> un problema del genere puo' essere correlato
[17:11] <fra79> capisco, inoltre quando faccio verifaca perte trasmission le trova sempre chiuse, adesso ha 56266
[17:14] <krabador> !chat | fra79
[17:14] <ubot-it> fra79: per qualsiasi argomento non inerente strettamente il supporto a ubuntu, /join #ubuntu-it-chat
[17:39] <AleC> Buonasera a tutti, sono nuovo della chat. Posso chiedere qua aiuto per l'installazione?
[17:40] <krabador> certo
[17:40] <krabador> chiedi
[17:41] <AleC> grazie. Per ora ho utilizzato la versione live e ne sono rimasto soddisfatto. A questo punto esiste la possibilita di mantenere sia Ubuntu che Linux senza perdere file?
[17:41] <krabador> "ubuntu che linux"
[17:41] <krabador> spiega
[17:41] <AleC> Scusate, un lapsus. Sia Ubuntu che Windowa
[17:41] <AleC> Windows
[17:41] <krabador> ok
[17:41] <krabador> si
[17:41] <krabador> hai pc con uefi?
[17:41] <AleC> no
[17:42] <krabador> allora, se fai partire l'installazione, l'installer stesso rileverà windows e ti chiederà se installare ubuntu a fianco a windows, oppure di usare tutto il disco
[17:42] <krabador> questo succede se nel disco ci sono meno di 4 partizioni primarie
[17:42] <krabador> altrimenti devi lavorare con le partizioni
[17:43] <krabador> e segnalare a mano la partizione in cui installare
[17:43] <krabador> e lui poi fa comunque la stessa cosa, installa ubuntu nella partizione segnalata
[17:43] <krabador> ed all'accensione della macchina hai una schermata che di chiede cosa caricare
[17:44] <AleC> Risultera difficile per un neofita come me? =)
[17:44] <krabador> AleC, sei da live adesso?
[17:45] <krabador> se si , verifichiamo subito quante partizioni hai nel disco, e se non hai 4 primarie, ti basta far partire l'installazione, e selezionare "installa ubuntu a fianco di windows"
[17:45] <AleC> si krabador
[17:45] <krabador> AleC, allora apri il terminale , sudo fdisk -l
[17:45] <krabador> !pastebinit | AleC
[17:45] <ubot-it> AleC: pastebinit è la versione a linea di comando equivalente di !pastebin - L'output di un comando oppure del testo possono essere reindirizzati a pastebinit, il quale risponde con un URL contenente l'output - Per usare pastebinit, installare il pacchetto « pastebinit » dall'ubuntu software center - Esempio di utilizzo: comando | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:46] <krabador> vai in questo sito, incolli il risultato , clicchi paste, ed incolli qui il link che esce dopo
[17:46] <AleC> come si apre il terminale che non ricordo?
[17:46] <krabador> ctrl alt t
[17:47] <AleC> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
[17:47] <AleC> Disklabel type: dos
[17:47] <AleC> Disk identifier: 0x695f012b
[17:47] <AleC> Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type
[17:47] <AleC> Disk /dev/sdb: 7.5 GiB, 8036285952 bytes, 15695871 sectors
[17:47] <AleC> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
[17:48] <AleC> rieccomi, perdonate l errore
[17:48] <AleC> per incollare faccio?
[17:48] <krabador> AleC, sento che stai per rifarlo
[17:48] <krabador> AleC, non hai letto gli ultimi 2 messaggi che ho scritto?
[17:49] <krabador> ed il link di ubot ?
[17:49] <AleC> fatto su pastebin
[17:50] <AleC> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13315402/
[17:51] <krabador> AleC, /dev/sda4 456298496 625141759 168843264 80.5G 83 Linux
[17:52] <AleC> ok cosa significa? So che mio figlio ha provato ad installare ma gli dava un errore
[17:52] <krabador> dentro ci sono secure file systems e questa partizione
[17:53] <AleC> quindi cosa devo fare?
[17:53] <krabador> AleC, sfs è usato anche da win7
[17:54] <krabador> AleC, se in quella partizione, non c'è niente , puoi installare direttamente dentro quella, scegliendo "altro" quando ti viene chiesto dove installare
[17:56] <AleC> come faccio a sapere se non c'è niente?
[18:01] <krabador> AleC, puoi montarla
[18:02] <krabador> AleC, apri il gestore files
[18:02] <krabador> AleC, in ogni caso, se è la partizione creata dall'installazione di tuo figlio, e non è andata a buon fine, non ci sarà niente
[18:05] <AleC> montarla_
[18:05] <AleC> ?
[18:07] <krabador> AleC, apri il gestore files
[18:07] <krabador> AleC, appariranno di lato a sinistra le partizioni
[18:07] <krabador> clicchi su di essa
[18:08] <krabador> e , se non ci sono problemi fisici, ti fa vedere il contenuto
[18:08] <krabador> i dati utente finiscono in /home/utente
[18:09] <AleC> riesco a visualizzare i file della partizione piu grande dove ho salvato tutto senza problemi
[18:10] <krabador> AleC, qui si sta parlando di /dev/sda4 456298496 625141759 168843264 80.5G 83 Linux
[18:10] <krabador> se non c'è niente di importante, usa quella.
[18:10] <AleC> quella non la vedo proprio
[18:12] <krabador> AleC, quante ne vedi nel gestore files, a sinistra, di partizioni ?
[18:13] <AleC> vedo i nomi VOLUME, SYSTEM, 233 GB VOLUME E 18GB VOLUME
[18:13] <AleC> volume e'vuota
[18:14] <AleC> ah anche HP TOOLS ho
[18:15] <boxer90> buona sera a tutti
[18:15] <AleC> e COMPUTER, in tutto ne conto 6
[18:15] <krabador> AleC, da terminale sudo mkdir /media/a && sudo mount /dev/sda4 /media/a && ls -la /media/a
[18:15] <krabador> fa un pastebin
[18:16] <boxer90> non riesco ad aggiornare da 15.04 a 15.10 per problemi di errore GPG
[18:17] <AleC> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13315676/
[18:18] <boxer90> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/HNhMnDGQupHaF8CITR3Q
[18:18] <krabador> AleC, ecco, è quello il contenuto della partizione
[18:19] <krabador> AleC, nel gestore files, scrivi nel campo del percorso cartella /media/a ,e vedi visualmente che cosa c'è dentro
[18:19] <krabador> AleC, ti ricordo che i dati utenti finiscono in /home/utente
[18:20] <krabador> boxer90, software-properties-gtk
[18:21] <AleC> troppo complicato oddio
[18:21] <boxer90> fatto
[18:21] <krabador> AleC, premi ctrl l
[18:21] <krabador> e ti appare il camdo
[18:21] <krabador> boxer90, menu a tendina "scarica da"
[18:22] <krabador> boxer90, metti i principali internaazionali
[18:22] <krabador> chiudi
[18:22] <krabador> torna nel terminale
[18:22] <krabador> sudo apt-get update
[18:22] <krabador> sempre pastebin
[18:23] <AleC> ok fatto ora pero cosa devo scrivere?
[18:23] <AleC> ok fatto ora pero cosa devo scrivere?
[18:23] <krabador> AleC, ti spariscono i messaggi precedenti ?
[18:24] <AleC> no ma non capisco quali sono i miei e quali di boxer
[18:24] <krabador> AleC, c'è il tuo nome prima
[18:28] <boxer90> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/Aysu51suTHOSpj5CgkBM
[18:32] <krabador> boxer90, sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32
[18:32] <krabador> sudo apt-get update
[18:32] <krabador> sempre pastebini
[18:38] <boxer90> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/ehwb0ZJFTSWr5peye4AM
[18:40] <krabador> boxer90, il primo comando cosa ha dato?
[18:43] <krabador> boxer90, sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32
[18:44] <krabador> boxer90, sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 40976EAF437D05B5
[18:44] <krabador> sudo apt-get update
[18:59] <boxer90> il secondo im dice comando non trovato
[19:00] <krabador> boxer90, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[19:00] <krabador> sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 3B4FE6ACC0B21F32 | pastebinit
[19:00] <krabador> sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 40976EAF437D05B5 | pastebinit
[19:00] <krabador> sudo apt-get update | pastebinit
[19:00] <krabador> copia ed incolla.
[19:02] <boxer90> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/3flKGIFQJK82WTuQxH4h
[19:03] <krabador> boxer90, non hai copiato ed incollato
[19:04] <krabador> boxer90, manda esattamente i comandi che ti ho segnalato , per favore
[19:05] <boxer90> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/WQIyzMtKQZikBluk5VSm
[19:05] <boxer90> sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[19:08] <krabador> devo andare.
[19:08] <Ginone> ciao a tutti
[19:08] <Ginone> ho un problema con il monitor dopo l'aggiornamento alla versione di ubuntu 15.10
[19:10] <Ginone> non riesco a cambiare la risoluzione e ogni tanto l'immagine dello schermo fa tante linee colorate
[19:10] <boxer90> https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/uWs7eNODTdimoRyEHxEc
[19:11] <Ginone> sono passato a ubuntu da poco quindi sto ancora familiarizzando con questo sistema operativo
[19:12] <Ginone> boxer90 che devo fare con quel file di testo?
[20:10] <luucarx> ciaoo
[20:14] <Sonic20> Ciao a tutti, ho Ubuntu 14.04 LTS e in dual boot Windoz 7, volevo creare un raid 1 con due HD da utilizzare come archivio (i sistemi operativi rimarrebbero su un 3 HD che viaggia per i fatti suoi), ora mi chiedevo, se credi un raid con Ubuntu (e quindi non utilizzando il contoller della mobo) da windows vedrò il raid?
[20:31] <killer1234x> Ciao
[20:31] <killer1234x> Mi potete dare il comando per andare nel recommender repair
[20:32] <killer1234x> Che devo ripristinare i grub
[20:32] <Carlin0> killer1234x, hai uefi ?
[20:32] <killer1234x> Si
[20:32] <Carlin0> !bootrepair
[20:32] <ubot-it> Boot-Repair è uno strumento grafico per ripristinare l'accesso ad Ubuntu ed altri sistemi operativi: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/BootRepair
[20:34] <killer1234x> Grazie
[20:35] <killer1234x> Carlino ma con la 15.10 mi si istallano direttamente gli aggiornamenti della mia nvidia o li devo scaricare comunque dal sito della nvidia e poi istallarli io?
[20:36] <Carlin0> killer1234x, come hai installato i driver proprietari : da ubuntu o scaricandoli?
[20:36] <killer1234x> I drive prioritari sono quelli tra cui c'è il drive per attvare il wifi?
[20:37] <killer1234x> Se è cosi io da la li attivo
[20:37] <killer1234x> La attivo*
[20:37] <Carlin0> quelli della nvidia intendo
[20:37] <killer1234x> E ti sto chiedendo
[20:38] <killer1234x> Il drive per istallare il wifi è un drive proprietario?
[20:38] <Carlin0> come li hai installati ... chiedo io a te
[20:38] <killer1234x> Perché io da la l'ho istallata la scheda grafica
[20:38] <killer1234x> Mi è spuntata tipo un icona con un chip
[20:39] <Carlin0> senza scaricarli dal sito quindi ...
[20:39] <killer1234x> E da li li ho istallati e mi ha fatto riavvire il computer
[20:39] <killer1234x> Nono
[20:39] <killer1234x> No no*
[20:39] <Carlin0> allora si aggiornano insieme a tutto il resto
[20:39] <killer1234x> Ok
[20:39] <killer1234x> Grazie
[20:44] <sacarde> ciao
[20:45] <sacarde> xubuntu che DM utilizza?
[20:49] <Sonic20> Ciao a tutti, ho Ubuntu 14.04 LTS e in dual boot Windoz 7, volevo creare un raid 1 con due HD da utilizzare come archivio (i sistemi operativi rimarrebbero su un 3 HD che viaggia per i fatti suoi), ora mi chiedevo, se credi un raid con Ubuntu (e quindi non utilizzando il contoller della mobo) da windows vedrò il raid?
[20:53] <cristian_c> !raid
[20:53] <ubot-it> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/DispositiviPartizioni/FakeRaid
[21:00] <killer1234x> Ma dopo che ho messo quei comandi
[21:00] <killer1234x> Come faccio a far partire il boot repair
[21:04] <cristian_c> killer1234x: ?
[21:09] <giuseppe7> ciao
[21:09] <giuseppe7> ho avviato il boot repair per sistemare i grub
[21:09] <giuseppe7> dato che dovevo istallare ubuntu
[21:10] <giuseppe7> e mi ha dato un problema
[21:10] <giuseppe7> Please write on a paper the following URL:
[21:10] <giuseppe7> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13318045/
[21:10] <giuseppe7> In case you still experience boot problem, indicate this URL to:
[21:10] <giuseppe7> [email protected]
[21:11] <giuseppe7> You can now reboot your computer.
[21:11] <giuseppe7> Please do not forget to make your BIOS boot on sda (1000GB) disk!
[21:11] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: ma tu sei killer1234x
[21:11] <giuseppe7> cosa devo fare_
[21:11] <giuseppe7> si
[21:11] <giuseppe7> ma li sono con il cell
[21:12] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: in pratica, devi riavviare il boot sull'hard disk
[21:12] <giuseppe7> e coe faccio_
[21:12] <giuseppe7> ?
[21:12] <giuseppe7> come*
[21:14] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: a quanto ho capito, hai solo ubuntu sull'hard disk
[21:14] <giuseppe7> si
[21:18] <giuseppe7> carlino_
[21:18] <giuseppe7> come faccio a riavviare i boot dall hard disk?
[21:19] <cristian_c> [21:19] <cristian_c> The default repair of the Boot-Repair utility will purge (in order to fix packages sign-grub) and reinstall the grub-efi-amd64-signed of sda2, using the following options: sda1/boot/efi,
[21:19] <cristian_c> Additional repair will be performed: unhide-bootmenu-10s repair-filesystems use-standard-efi-file rename-ms-efi
[21:19] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: se sei in live, esci dalla live riavviando il pc
[21:19] <cristian_c> senza il supporto usb collegato
[21:19] <giuseppe7> ok
[21:20] <giuseppe7> e poi?
[21:21] <cristian_c> An error occurred during the repair.
[21:22] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: è come se tu non ti fossi connesso durante l'esecuzione di boot repair
[21:22] <giuseppe7> connesso a cosa?
[21:22] <cristian_c> Please type: sudo chroot "/mnt/boot-sav/sda2" dpkg --configure -ansudo chroot "/mnt/boot-sav/sda2" apt-get install -fynsudo chroot "/mnt/boot-sav/sda2" apt-get purge -y --force-yes grub*-common grub-common:i386 shim-signed linux-signed*
[21:23] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: in rete
[21:23] <cristian_c> dal pc incriminato
[21:23] <giuseppe7> io sono collegato con il cavo lan
[21:23] <cristian_c> Then type: sudo chroot "/mnt/boot-sav/sda2" apt-get install -y --force-yes grub-efi-amd64-signed shim-signed linux-signed-generic
[21:23] <giuseppe7> infatti sto scrivendo dalla live
[21:23] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: eh, ma ho visto diversi tentativi falliti di download nel log di boot repair
[21:24] <giuseppe7> quindi non posso risolvere?
[21:24] <cristian_c> W: Failed to fetch http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages Hash Sum mismatch
[21:24] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: quindi devi verificare la connessione ai repositoey
[21:24] <cristian_c> repository
[21:25] <giuseppe7> come faccio?
[21:25] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: un qualunque comando apt
[21:25] <cristian_c> che si colleghi ai repo
[21:25] <giuseppe7> dimmi tu
[21:25] <giuseppe7> io sono proprio perso se non si era capito
[21:25] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: perché ho l'impressione che hai i repo incasinati su ubuntu
[21:25] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: qual è il problema con ubuntu
[21:26] <cristian_c> ?
[21:26] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: che hai fatto al grub?
[21:26] <giuseppe7> non mi fa finire l-istallazione
[21:26] <giuseppe7> niente
[21:26] <giuseppe7> avevo la 12.04
[21:26] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: parlo dell'installazione della 15.10
[21:26] <giuseppe7> e stavo aggiornando alla 15.10 scaricando il file iso
[21:26] <giuseppe7> mi dava il seguente problema
[21:28] <giuseppe7> grub-efi-amd64-signed non e riuscito
[21:28] <giuseppe7> l-istallazione del pacchetto non e riuscita
[21:29] <giuseppe7> ...senza il boot loader grub il sistema istallato non si avviera
[21:29] <giuseppe7> questo e il problema che mi da durante l istallazione
[21:31] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: ma la connessione funziona durante l'installazione?
[21:31] <giuseppe7> si
[21:32] <giuseppe7> e sempre collegato via lan
[21:32] <giuseppe7> e non mi da prblemi nel scaricare i acchetti
[21:32] <giuseppe7> pacchetti*
[21:36] <giuseppe7> ma se li ripristino dal bios cosa devo fare
[21:36] <giuseppe7> ?
[21:36] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: quali pacchetti?
[21:36] <giuseppe7> tipo quelli della lingua
[21:36] <giuseppe7> ecc..
[21:37] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: puoi essere più preciso nel descrivere cosa funziona e cosa non funziona durante l'installazione?
[21:37] <cristian_c> ok
[21:37] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: hai controllato l'hash md5 del file .iso?
[21:37] <giuseppe7> non so di cosa parli
[21:37] <giuseppe7> dimmi cosa fare per favore
[21:38] <cristian_c> !md5 | giuseppe7
[21:38] <ubot-it> giuseppe7: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum | md5: http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/MD5SUMS
[21:38] <giuseppe7> il secondo_
[21:38] <giuseppe7> ?
[21:39] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: il primo link ti spiega cosa fare
[21:39] <cristian_c> il secondo ti fornisce una lista degli hash per le varie versioni della 15.04
[21:39] <cristian_c> ma a t non serve, visto che hai unam15.10
[21:43] <giuseppe7> m non me lo trova il terminal
[21:43] <giuseppe7> md5sum: ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso: No such file or directory
[21:43] <giuseppe7> ma perche mi dice 14.04?
[21:44] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: che cosa hai fatto?
[21:45] <giuseppe7> ho mandato il comando
[21:45] <giuseppe7> md5sum ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:46] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: perché hai mandato quel comando?
[21:47] <giuseppe7> c e scritto in quella pagina
[21:47] <giuseppe7> per controllare se il file e giusto
[21:48] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: oltre che incollare bovinamente comandi nel terminale, hai letto le spiegazioni contenute nella pagina?
[21:48] <giuseppe7> si
[21:48] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: e cosa ti dicono?
[21:49] <cristian_c> ' Supponendo di aver scaricato nella propria Home il file .iso (ad es ubuntu-14.04-desktop-amd64.iso) e il file MD5SUM:'
[21:49] <cristian_c> ti risulta?
[21:49] <giuseppe7> ce scritto di controllare se il file MD5Sum che ci dovrebbe essere nel mio pc abbia i requisiti giusti
[21:49] <giuseppe7> e ho messo quel comando per vedere se c e
[21:50] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: ti ho incollato il passaggio precedente al comando, che è pure scritto in italiano
[21:50] <giuseppe7> ok
[21:51] <giuseppe7> e dato che non mi ha funzionato ho dedotto che non ho questo file
[21:51] <giuseppe7> penso
[21:51] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: ora sei su quel pc?
[21:51] <giuseppe7> si
[21:52] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: o hai altri pc in uso?
[21:52] <giuseppe7> ma se formatto l-hard disk da ubuntu
[21:52] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: md5 si può controllare da praticamentr qualsiasi sistema
[21:52] <giuseppe7> ho visto che si puo fare direttamente dalla cartella home
[21:52] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: fermo
[21:52] <giuseppe7> ok
[21:53] <giuseppe7> sto chiedendo..non faccio niente se non me lo dici tu
[21:53] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: hai solo quel pc in uso?
[21:53] <giuseppe7> no
[21:53] <giuseppe7> ne ho un altro
[21:53] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: se hai un pc con windows, ad esempio, controll
[21:53] <giuseppe7> ok
[21:54] <giuseppe7> che devo fare?
[21:54] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: hai scaricato il file .iso di ubuntu su windows?
[21:54] <giuseppe7> prendo il pc e poi?
[21:54] <giuseppe7> si
[21:54] <cristian_c> !md5 | giuseppe7
[21:54] <ubot-it> giuseppe7: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Md5Sum | md5: http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.04/MD5SUMS
[21:54] <giuseppe7> cio[ no aspetta
[21:54] <giuseppe7> il 15.10 l ho scaricato dal 12.04
[21:55] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/MD5Sum?action=show&redirect=Md5Sum#Su_Windows
[21:55] <giuseppe7> quindi non ce l ho su windows
[21:55] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: dove si trova questo file .iso attualmente?
[21:56] <giuseppe7> nella chiavetta con cui sto istallando ubuntu
[21:56] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: allora
[21:57] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: se l'hai scaricato sulla usb, semplicemente non puoi installare direttamente dalla stessa
[21:57] <cristian_c> perché il supporto usb non è avviabile
[21:57] <giuseppe7> in che senso
[21:57] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: e appunto il file .iso va trasferito sulla usb tramite apposito peogramma
[21:57] <cristian_c> programma
[21:58] <giuseppe7> unetbootin
[21:58] <giuseppe7> io con questo l-ho trasferito
[21:58] <giuseppe7> cosi c era scrito nella wiki
[21:59] <Carlin0> giuseppe7, ma non ti avevo fatto fare dd io qualche sera fa ?
[22:00] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: beh
[22:00] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: che dire...
[22:00] <giuseppe7> cos e dd carlino
[22:00] <giuseppe7> tu mi avevi assistito l altra sera
[22:00] <giuseppe7> ma poi si era fatto tardi
[22:00] <Carlin0> io e gigirock
[22:01] <giuseppe7> si prfetto
[22:01] <giuseppe7> pero poi non avevo ancora risolto
[22:01] <giuseppe7> gigi mi aveva fatto mettere il comando del boot repair
[22:01] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: per piacere, fai una cosa
[22:02] <giuseppe7> ma poi non mi ha funzionato la riparazione assistita
[22:02] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: installa universal usb installer su windows
[22:02] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: fai la chiavetta usb con quel metodo
[22:02] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: ma prima controlla md5 del file .iso scaricato, sempre su windows
[22:04] <cristian_c> !usbwin | segnati il link, giuseppe7
[22:04] <ubot-it> segnati il link, giuseppe7: Scarica Universal USB Installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB. Guida: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO
[22:06] <giuseppe7> ok
[22:09] <giuseppe7> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Installazione/MD5Sum?action=show&redirect=Md5Sum#Su_Windows
[22:10] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: giusto
[22:10] <giuseppe7> me lo sono copiato su windows
[22:10] <giuseppe7> per averlo anche dopo
[22:10] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: ottimo, hai copiato il file .iso?
[22:11] <giuseppe7> lo sto scaricando dal sito di ubuntu
[22:11] <cristian_c> bene
[22:11] <giuseppe7> ormai se ne parla domani penso
[22:11] <giuseppe7> ancora mancano 45 min
[22:11] <giuseppe7> faccio tutto quello che m hai detto
[22:11] <cristian_c> giuseppe7: ok, una volta scaricato il file, segui i link
[22:11] <cristian_c> sia per md5, che per universal usb installer
[22:11] <giuseppe7> se non mi funziona ci risentiamo domani
[22:11] <giuseppe7> ok
[22:12] <giuseppe7> Scarica Universal USB Installer: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ | Installalo su Windows e lancialo: lui si occuperà di trasferire l'immagine ISO su USB. Guida: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows | Opzionalmente questo programma può anche scaricare lui stesso l'immagine ISO
[22:12] <giuseppe7> mi compio anche questo
[22:12] <cristian_c> esatto
[22:14] <giuseppe5> ok grazie
[22:14] <giuseppe5> ci sentiamo domani
[22:14] <giuseppe5> ma se io ristallo ubuntu 15.10
[22:14] <giuseppe5> n vabbe niente
[22:14] <giuseppe5> lasciate stare
[22:21] <giuseppe5> ma sono riuscito ad aggiustare il pproblema dal bios
[22:21] <giuseppe5> ho impostasto ubuntu come grub predefinito
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.852098
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-es
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[02:35] <ceibal> facebook
[11:26] <Xago> hola gente linda
[11:26] <Xago> buenos dias
[11:26] <Xago> nuevamente por aquí molestando ;)
[11:27] <Xago> tengo un laptop samsung al cual le instalé Ubuntu 14.04 LTS y lo único que no funciona correctamente es el control de brillo de la pantalla. Actúa el GUI sobre los controles, pero no se reflejado en la pantalla.
[11:27] <Xago> cómo se resuelve?
[11:41] <Xago> bueno....afortunadamente ya encontré la solución.
[14:18] <ceibal> yotuve
[18:07] <Knight80> Hola a todos/as
[18:07] <Knight80> Tengo un problema, no tengo sonido en algunos juegos.
[18:07] <Knight80> Alien arena y Mania Drive
[18:22] <Knight80> ¿Hola?
[18:40] <clamaral> hola , cuando estoy en firefox, en alguna pagina que me permita subir fotografias, al intentar subir con un clic se abre una ventana emergente de nautilus supongo que me muestra los directorios, y si clico en alguno para seleccionar me muestra una vista previa de la imagen, bueno eso hacia antes, ahora no me muestra vistas previas, excepto de pequeños archivos descargados, pero las imagenes .JPG de mi camara no las muestra en vista previa en dicha ven
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.860501
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-us-wi
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[00:27] * mikeputnam heads to the Appleton Makerspace to give a talk on Google Calendar API + Python
[00:49] <tsimonq2> ooh!
[14:16] <h00k> tsimonq2: negative never quite verified
[18:13] <tsimonq2> :/
[19:01] <mikeputnam> ?
[21:46] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: ?
[21:46] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: what's up?
[22:04] <mikeputnam> was wondering what the :/ was referring to
[22:04] <mikeputnam> seems a look of disappointment
[22:18] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: 08:16:31 AM < h00k> tsimonq2: negative never quite verified
[22:22] <mikeputnam> ah sorry. i should move my irc-ing back to a bounce host instead of connecting from the laptop. i lose context this way.
[22:22] <tsimonq2> mikeputnam: you should get a shell and use tmux/irssi
[22:32] <mikeputnam> man, i authored the tmux website. no need to school me on tmux. https://github.com/dsturnbull/tmux/commit/70a8ae09330cb10bf7e7c066741eaf940640ddaf
[22:32] <mikeputnam> ;)
[22:32] <tsimonq2> 0.0 wot?
[22:37] <mikeputnam> irssi is awesome. after several years, i switched to weechat which has different warts but I prefer the interface.
[22:37] <tsimonq2> I am using an irssi and tmux setup right now
[22:37] <tsimonq2> maybe you should do it
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2015-11-17-#juju
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[08:43] <ionutbalutoiu> Can someone take a look by any chance at this Merge Request: https://code.launchpad.net/~ionutbalutoiu/charms/trusty/neutron-gateway/next/+merge/276833 ?
[10:24] <jamespage> gnuoy, can I get an ack on https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/nova-compute/lp1516640/+merge/277586 ples
[10:24] <jamespage> ah you're not around today
[10:24] <jamespage> ionutbalutoiu, hey - your MP looks OK - but I'd like to see some unit tests for the change please
[10:25] <ionutbalutoiu> jamespage, very well, I'll update it a little bit later.
[11:59] <jamespage> coreycb, hey - can I get a +1 on https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/nova-compute/lp1516640/+merge/277586 when you start - lxd support is currently busted
[14:57] <marcoceppi> cory_fu: will charm build compile actions.yaml like it does metadata and config?
[15:05] <cory_fu> marcoceppi: I don't think it will currently, but I was going to add that soon
[15:26] <asanjar1> marcoceppi: hi there, do u know what would be the cause of this problem http://paste.ubuntu.com/13313806/.. juju-quckstart goes halfway through deployment and then it hangs there
[15:30] <asanjar1> lazypower: looks like marcoceppi is ignoring me as usual :) would you look at the http://paste.ubuntu.com/13313806/. do you know what could cause that
[15:30] <lazypower> o/ asanjar1
[15:30] <marcoceppi> asanjar1: it's been 4 mins, and I'm otp :)
[15:30] <lazypower> 1 sec and i'll TAL - mid review of some doc updates
[15:31] <asanjar1> no excuse marcoceppi
[15:32] <lazypower> asanjar1 is this juju 1.24?
[15:32] <lazypower> asanjar1 i saw this briefly in 1.24 - but this went away when 1.25 landed for me.
[15:32] <asanjar1> 1.26-alpha1-vivid-ppc64el
[15:32] <lazypower> ok, this is most def. bug worthy
[15:33] <kwmonroe> asanjar1: are you sure the deployment is hung? what does "juju status --format=tabular" show?
[15:34] <asanjar1> kwmonroe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/13313890/
[15:34] <asanjar1> kwmonroe: it is saying that for a while
[15:36] <asanjar1> kwmonroe: juju-gui then dies
[15:36] <asanjar1> and stays there
[16:25] <jcastro> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lowRfWcxky0
[16:25] <jcastro> ^^^ reactive charm things
[16:25] <jcastro> lazypower: man the overlay on the youtube videos looks awesome
[16:25] <lazypower> Yeah it does :) That juju icon really shines
[16:27] <jcastro> <3 donner made it for me
[17:21] <Odd_Bloke> marcoceppi: arosales: This is actually an experimental art project we're working on.
[17:21] <Odd_Bloke> We're exploring the New York soundscape.
[17:21] <Odd_Bloke> It's a real voyage of discovery.
[17:33] <arosales> Odd_Bloke: sorry I missed the backscoll
[17:34] <arosales> Odd_Bloke: but if your exploring sounds you should definately hit up lazypower
[17:34] <Odd_Bloke> :p
[17:34] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: Done any work with multiple Hangouts clients in the same room? :p
[17:38] <jamespage> coreycb, hey - can I get a +1 on the stable fix for https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/nova-compute/lp1516640-stable/+merge/277739 as well?
[17:53] <coreycb> jamespage, done
[17:54] <jamespage> coreycb, thanks muchly
[18:28] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke : i'm not sur ei follow
[18:28] <lazypower> Odd_Bloke is this different feed per hangout client? or is this muxing audio from many clients into a single stream?
[18:33] <Odd_Bloke> lazypower: We just had massive feedback going on; and I was trying to claim it was a music project. :p
[18:33] <lazypower> Ah! That's actually a problem when you're doing it all in the same room :)
[18:33] <lazypower> so room was referring to physical location. *nod*
[18:33] <lazypower> easy fix is to just plug in headphones on every unit so its not rebroadcasting in an audible range of the mic
[18:56] <lazypower> cory_fu - quick question - I see the http interface was re-tooled on the requires side to be more explicit about services under communication. Do we have any known layers implementing this? All i've found to date are providers, which is the simple side of the relation.
[18:57] <lazypower> I think, its implementing as such that it just returns a dict containing the services / units + ports if i'm reading this properly
[19:04] <jrwren> anyone using juju-test with lxd-provider? does it work? It isn't working for me, but I don't know if it is my weird env or not. I get juju-test.conductor WARNING : Could not bootstrap lxd, got Bootstrap returned with an exit > 0
[19:07] <cory_fu> lazypower: No, I don't think anything is implementing the requires side using the interface layer, yet.
[19:07] <lazypower> Ah! I did however find the example in the readme
[19:12] <lazypower> THank you for writing a proper readme cory_fu <3
[19:12] <cory_fu> :)
[19:12] <lazypower> I'll have to take a page out of your book and do more of this
[19:13] <cory_fu> Actually, I think I made those changes in response to some use-case, but I can't recall now why or who might have been trying to use it
[19:18] <lazypower> cory_fu : your words, all in one place, and i think its methodically organized - https://github.com/chuckbutler/docs/blob/2f006a4edefb9715a10fb86ff13770ce77de8a8b/src/en/developers-layers-interfaces.md
[19:19] <lazypower> and if you refresh you'll see the missing requires side as well
[19:20] <lazypower> https://github.com/chuckbutler/docs/blob/developer-layers/src/en/developers-layers-interfaces.md <- because i clearly have no idea how github uses commit hashes and why that will keep me from seeing changes.... >.>
[19:24] <cory_fu> On the provides side bit, the comment "Anonymous method passed into methods decorated with @when(reelation.available)" is not really accurate
[19:26] <cory_fu> Also, could probably use some more commenting in or description around the "writing" sections. But thanks for pulling all this together. Definitely needed. :)
[19:30] <lazypower> ah
[19:30] <lazypower> yeah
[19:30] <lazypower> whats that called?
[19:30] <lazypower> as its an implicit thing that jsut happens
[19:30] <lazypower> like i have the "wrong terminology but right behavior" syndrome going on in my head
[19:35] <cory_fu> Um, well, the instance of the class is passed into the (@when-decorated) handler, which is expected to call that method on the instance
[19:36] <lazypower> ok, i'll re-word it as such
[19:36] <cory_fu> I'm not sure how to phrase that, exactly. What I just said still seems pretty cumbersome, but at least it's not inaccurate. :)
[19:36] <lazypower> ta for the clarification
[19:36] <lazypower> yeah :D
[19:36] <lazypower> i'll start decorating all my "chuckisms" with :guyfawkes: so you know its completely reasonable ;)
[20:27] <icey> I just deployed 3 instances on AWS with: --constraints="root-disk=25G instance-type=m4.xlarge"
[20:28] <icey> juju status shows them as error
[20:28] <icey> how can I find out what that error is?
[20:32] <icey> nevermind: no instance types in us-east-1 matching constraints "instance-type=m4.xlarge root-disk=25600M"
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| 2015-11-17T00:00:00 |
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"arosales",
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2015-11-17-#xubuntu
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[00:00] <knome> that's a start, now a volunteer that has access to the same hardware as you has to have time to look at the reports sent
[00:00] <knome> and even then, the solution isn't likely to be trivial - usually quite the opposite with driver issues
[00:01] <xubuntu11w> the freezing of the computer from this is the biggest problem. ctrl-alt-delete doesnt work, even numlock frozen on.
[00:02] <xubuntu11w> ctrl-alt-f2* i mean
[00:02] <knome> i wouldn't be surprised if it was caused by the issues caused by the wireless adapter
[00:04] <xubuntu11w> yeah, thats what it is. its the network manager causing this. Ive used Linux a lot, like older versions. But this happens now. im on 15.10. it almost seems that it started after kernel 4. came out
[00:04] <knome> you can try booting a 3.x kernel
[00:05] <xubuntu11w> i would but the problem is random. it just does it when it wants. and i have newer hardware so that might not be a good idea
[00:06] <knome> if it doesn't boot, then it doesn't boot, and you can go back to using 4.x
[00:06] <knome> but as you wish
[00:06] <xubuntu11w> should i give it a try? Or wait for the issue to be resolved?
[00:07] <knome> it's possible that the issue is resolved after a year or two - or never
[00:07] <knome> i would try the older kernel
[00:08] <xubuntu11w> what happens when I use a older kernel? will i have less performance? or maybe run into issues on the old kernel?
[00:09] <knome> nothing worse than getting freezes on the new kernel
[00:09] <xubuntu11w> okay. how do i use old kernel?
[00:16] <xubuntu11w> if you are busy or something right now. Or if you would like, I could try asking some other time. On the steps to try old kernel.
[00:19] <xubuntu11w> I will go. Thanks for talking with me about this issue. Goodbye
[03:36] <hoodedice> hey guys!
[03:36] <hoodedice> I'm here to report a bug in 15.04 =D
[03:37] <hoodedice> Description: Suspend fails to suspend computer
[03:37] <hoodedice> Steps to Reproduce: Press Suspend from whisker menu's power off button. Close laptop lid
[03:37] <hoodedice> Expected Result: Laptop remains in suspend state
[03:38] <hoodedice> Observed Result: It turns back on, overheats in my backpack, warms me during these cold days, but also has no battery left when I actually need it
[03:38] <hoodedice> Reproduction Rate: 10/10
[03:39] * xubuntu31w slaps AntiSpamMeta around a bit with a large fishbot
[03:40] * xubuntu31w slaps alexandros_c around a bit with a large fishbot
[03:40] <xubuntu31w> sudo killall
[03:40] <hoodedice> you think that will work?
[03:41] <hoodedice> my friend is telling me to sudo -rm rg or something like that
[03:41] <hoodedice> *rf
[07:08] <Ragadozo67> Hi All!!:))
[07:24] <anykeyshop> hello! how to make distributive upgrade from 15.04 to 15.50? I used "dist-upgrade" but after some packages downloaded and upgrade process finished my distr is still 15.04
[07:25] <anykeyshop> ....15.10 of couse :)
[07:32] <anykeyshop> solved
[09:27] <nils17> hi. on a xubuntu-based live cd I get this warning: http://snag.gy/Xp5sd.jpg Where is this setting stored, so that I could disable this warning? (because everytime the live-iso boots the message comes back)
[10:19] <reel> I just updated to Wily Werewolf and now my sound controll has stopped working. I am using i3 window manager and have made my own audiomode. Any tips or advice on this matter?
[10:21] <reel> To specify: I can not lower or raise the volume. I can mute, but not change the percentile value
[10:36] <reel> Nevermind, I fixed it myself.
[13:55] <Guest95467> join #openFOAM-IRC
[17:15] <xubuntu337> join
[17:17] <xubuntu337> join
[17:17] <drc> xubuntu337: what are you trying to join?
[17:23] <xubuntu337> I saw a message to join or help, sorry I am a nem user from Brasil, Bahia andi I am not so good in english. I want to be with you cause I wanto to my Xubuntu fly. I have only 3 months of Linux... sorry
[17:24] <Pici> !br
[17:24] <drc> That is not a problem. You are in the Xubuntu Suport channel, it is just very quiet today.
[17:25] <drc> Or, as Pici says, you can join #ubuntu-br but it is probably just as quite.
[17:36] <xubuntu337> I must write /join #ubuntu-br here?
[17:37] <drc> xubuntu337: Yes, you can do that.
[17:40] <xubuntu337> ok, guys I will have to to leave now, because my intalation is finishing and firefox is Syncing... thank you. I really love Xubuntu and Ubuntu.
[17:51] <Guest58339> any help please ? x will not start after update. now using usb live
[18:22] <evandrojr> /join #ubuntu-br
[19:19] <Eightynine> Hi. I have just installed Xubuntu 15.10 and added English and Russian layouts and selected Ctrl-Shift to switch layout and it's not working.
[20:13] <xubuntu337> Hi everybody, I need to tell you I am ew user and I like a lot of xubuntu 14.04.3 LTS but I am 3 months of linux learning. I am from Brasil, Bhia. I live in a poor small town by a beautiful black river. 22.000 people live here only. Most of them do not know read or write. A was school teacher by mi time , contract is over. Now I have another stable work but is not a great thing. My english is no to good. I wato learn how to make internet faster an
[20:13] <xubuntu337> d xubuntu to. My PC is 2.0 of memory only. THAT'S cause of this I choose Xubuntu it work well in my poor machine. That's it if someone could guide me I will be glad. I'm waiting for my master Yoda... Kkkkkkkk. Thank's.
[20:14] <xubuntu337> I want to learn how make internet faster and xubuntu to.
[20:15] <xubuntu337> my typing is better than that I do not know why I am writing everything wrong.
[20:18] <xubuntu337> But the drugs are among us now. Like Crack, cocaine and a horrible thing called pasta loló.
[20:25] <knome> xubuntu337, this channel is for user support, #xubuntu-devel is for general chatter.
[20:25] <Unit193> That is, #xubuntu-offtopic.
[20:25] <flocculant> #xubuntu-offtopic rather
[20:25] <flocculant> heh
[20:25] <knome> ....yes, i'm very much off-focus
[20:25] <knome> :P
[20:26] <flocculant> :)
[20:45] <sacarde> hi
[20:45] <sacarde> xubuntu what DM use?
[20:45] <Azelphur> xfce
[20:45] <Unit193> Xubuntu uses lightdm, with the lightdm-gtk-greeter.
[20:45] <Azelphur> oh whoops, dm not de :)
[20:46] <sacarde> ah,
[20:46] <sacarde> ok
[20:46] <sacarde> thanks
[21:18] <xubuntu337> Dm ?
[21:18] <xubuntu337> Let me see the info about my PC...
[21:22] <xubuntu337> my PC 2.0 RAM Intel celeron (R) CPU J1800 @2,41GHz X 2 - iNTEL bAY tRAIL X 86/mmx/sse2 32 bit 312GB
[21:25] <xubuntu337> What can I do to this poor PC work Xubuntu better not touching in the Hardware?
[21:26] <mrkramps> xubuntu337, not much
[21:26] <xubuntu337> I could search on web...
[21:27] <xubuntu337> Again, sorry for my english I am from Brasil...
[21:27] <mrkramps> xubuntu337, what exactly is not working as you expect
[21:30] <xubuntu337> Everything is working fine. Only when I do reboot I got black screen. If I only shudown everything ok xubuntu comes back fast.
[21:33] <mrkramps> xubuntu337, which version of xubuntu are you using?
[21:34] <xubuntu337> And I wanto learn to preserve my desktop the same when start xubuntu. And want to learn to make this incredible almost alive desktops full of info about PC . The devian art I already got. The Themes I have a tutorial.
[21:34] <xubuntu337> 14.04.3 LTS
[21:35] <xubuntu337> I bet I've done something wrong.
[21:39] <xubuntu337> I know xubuntu can make a simple machine like mine fly.
[21:40] <flocculant> xubuntu337: only up to a point. It's likely to be flying as much as it will already
[21:41] <xubuntu337> Just do not know how... everybody always wants more right? Sorry, if It's not the place to talk about it. I green new in this kind of world.
[21:42] <mrkramps> xubuntu337, concerning this reboot issue you can try to diable plymouth (boot splash)
[21:43] <xubuntu337> ok
[21:43] <xubuntu337> could you please said how do I do that?
[21:44] <xubuntu337> disable plymouth, how?
[21:44] <mrkramps> xubuntu337, you've already used a terminal?
[21:45] <xubuntu337> yes I got 40 hours of terminal, doing dummy things.
[21:45] <mrkramps> ok
[21:46] <xubuntu337> sudo apt-get, sudo su, sudo apt-get clean
[21:46] <mrkramps> sudo nano /etc/defaul/grub
[21:46] <xubuntu337> shutdown -h now...
[21:46] <mrkramps> replace: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[21:46] <xubuntu337> opening
[21:47] <mrkramps> with: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="noplymouth"
[21:47] <flocculant> /etc/default/grub
[21:47] <flocculant> mrkramps: sorry for butting in there :)
[21:47] <mrkramps> *sigh*
[21:48] <mrkramps> be my guest … i guess i need another keyboard
[21:48] <flocculant> I'm not really here - in and out a bit
[21:49] <xubuntu337> I'm in GNU nano 2.2.6 the screen have not a single word
[21:49] <mrkramps> xubuntu337, exit and do NOT save
[21:49] <mrkramps> i told you the wrong path
[21:50] <mrkramps> xubuntu337, the correct command is `sudo nano /etc/default/grub`
[21:51] <xubuntu337> alright
[21:51] <xubuntu337> ok
[21:51] <mrkramps> there you replace "quiet splash" with "noplymouth"
[21:52] <mrkramps> double check if there is no typo, save and exit nano
[21:52] <xubuntu337> Now I am seeing words thank you.
[21:53] <xubuntu337> I find it a minute please?
[21:59] <xubuntu337> I can not erase "quiet splash" I did sudo su, then su them your command but I can1t erase these words. KKkkkk. sorry
[22:00] <mrkramps> i did not tell you to use `sudo su`
[22:01] <xubuntu337> But don't give up on me maybe another time. I don want to botter anyone.
[22:01] <xubuntu337> ok I-ll try again.
[22:02] <mrkramps> take your time
[22:07] <xubuntu337> I can't believe I did it. I am nervous...
[22:07] <xubuntu337> emotional... sorry
[22:07] <xubuntu337> now save it?
[22:08] <mrkramps> xubuntu337, yes
[22:08] <xubuntu337> them what maste Yoda?
[22:08] <mrkramps> exit nano
[22:08] <xubuntu337> master Yoda. Kkkkk
[22:09] <mrkramps> if not done already
[22:09] <xubuntu337> do not save anything?
[22:09] <mrkramps> xubuntu337, save file and exit nano
[22:09] <xubuntu337> ^0 ?
[22:10] <mrkramps> ctrl+o
[22:11] <xubuntu337> ok save and closed.
[22:12] <mrkramps> and now update your bootloader configuration: sudo update-grub
[22:13] <xubuntu337> not use sudo su right?
[22:13] <mrkramps> right!
[22:13] <flocculant> forget all about sudo su
[22:14] <xubuntu337> see that: Generating grub configuration file ...
[22:14] <xubuntu337> Atenção: Setting GRUB_TIMEOUT to a non-zero value when GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT is set is no longer supported.
[22:14] <xubuntu337> Encontrado imagem linux: /boot/vmlinuz-3.19.0-25-generic
[22:14] <xubuntu337> Encontrado imagem initrd: /boot/initrd.img-3.19.0-25-generic
[22:14] <xubuntu337> Found memtest86+ image: /memtest86+.elf
[22:14] <xubuntu337> Found memtest86+ image: /memtest86+.bin
[22:15] <mrkramps> looks good
[22:15] <xubuntu337> It's alright?
[22:15] <xubuntu337> yeah!
[22:15] <mrkramps> you can now try to reboot
[22:16] <xubuntu337> mrkramps thant you
[22:16] <xubuntu337> maste Yoda for me.
[22:16] <xubuntu337> anything more to do?
[22:17] <mrkramps> xubuntu337, not for now … reboot and check back to tell us about the result
[22:17] <xubuntu337> Can you teach me to do a amazig desktop?
[22:17] <xubuntu337> amazing desktop... sorry
[22:17] <mrkramps> nope, i can just teach people to keep a working desktop
[22:18] <xubuntu337> ok. So there's more stuff to do master?
[22:19] <mrkramps> yes, try to reboot to see if this change helps
[22:19] <xubuntu337> I will reboot. Thank you very much master Yoda.
[22:19] <xubuntu337> by
[22:23] <xubuntu337> The reboot work's fine and fast. No windows do that in my humble PC.
[22:25] <xubuntu337> by and thak's again.
[22:25] <xubuntu337> thank's
[22:25] <mrkramps> you're welcome!
[22:28] <xubuntu337> I will contribute xubuntu. Anything more to do master?
[22:29] <xubuntu337> so I will continue downloadind on the central.
[22:29] <knome> xubuntu337, enjoy.
[22:29] <xubuntu337> free
[22:30] <xubuntu337> by
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"Eightynine",
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"drc",
"evandrojr",
"flocculant",
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-uk
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[04:42] <mapp> hi
[04:51] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[07:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:43] <knightwise> morning brobostigon
[07:44] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[08:18] <knightwise> hey brobostigon , how are you dude
[08:35] <DJones> I think I'll give this project a miss, somehow doesn't appeal to me https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1468268424/l-i-v-i-n-hive
[08:56] <Myrtti> I'd rather eat mealworms that grasshoppers
[08:56] <Myrtti> grasshoppers were a bit too crunchy for my taste
[08:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:02] <DJones> One of the people at work has a 9 year old daughter, her christmas request is for edible bugs to try, she tried grasshoppers at school and wants to try different bugs now
[09:07] <Myrtti> that's cute
[09:44] <foobarry> why does git not track files after i git add them?
[09:44] <foobarry> # On branch master
[09:44] <foobarry> # Changed but not updated:
[09:44] <foobarry> lots of files
[09:44] <foobarry> # (use "git add <file>..." to update what will be committed)
[09:44] <SuperMatt> http://matty.digital is now signed by letsencrypt.org :D
[09:45] <SuperMatt> uhhh, there should be an s in there, but it redirects anyway
[09:46] <bashrc_> nice
[09:48] <foobarry> ah, git commit -a
[10:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Home-Made Bread Day! 😃
[10:08] <foobarry> every day is HMB day
[10:08] <JamesTait> 🙌
[10:09] <SuperMatt> bleep bloop
[10:09] <JamesTait> It should be, I need more practise.
[10:09] <SuperMatt> I guess now I have my own flat, I could make my own bread
[10:09] <foobarry> makes my little daughter less farty
[10:09] <foobarry> they put loads a crap in supermarket bread
[10:10] <JamesTait> Blame the daughter and the supermarket bread. 😉
[10:12] <MooDoo> howdy all
[10:26] <zmoylan-pi> your intestine needs gas to operate efficently iirc
[10:32] <davmor2> JamesTait: not so much the songs relevance here as the band name :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q1kB0R4Ijs
[10:36] * awilkins loves home made bread
[10:36] <awilkins> I may have to make some later now
[10:36] <awilkins> Home made focaccia 4tw
[10:40] <TwistedLucidity> Down with Chorelywood!
[11:46] <popey> TwistedLucidity, i used to work in Kings Langley, whenever I said "Kings Langley", wifey would immediately say "Chorleywood!" because the two were always said together in the traffic reports on radio...
[11:55] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rj9p21r6jowb4o7/AACkI5b027SctsMRNppGZLfOa?dl=0
[11:55] <daftykins> £160 27" HannsG 2560x1440 IPS arrived :O
[11:57] <TwistedLucidity> daftykins: What version of Linux is that in the screenshot? Looks totally amazing!
[11:57] <zmoylan-pi> looks like xubuntu...
[11:58] <daftykins> i would imagine the less said about that the better :>
[11:59] <daftykins> that's about the only machine in the house that has HDMI and can drive that res; even then it required going into the advanced settings, setting a custom mode and changing the timing standard
[12:00] <daftykins> i'd hate to think how bad the same would be with xrandr - often i see folk trying to add a mode over in #ubuntu and all it does it spit out some complaint at the parameters regardless of being correct or not :P
[12:00] <zmoylan-pi> the fun of selecting a freq that creates a whine that annoys the kids, cats and dogs...
[12:02] <daftykins> :) there's something odd about having VGA on the above display, given it can only do 2048x1536 max...
[12:08] * zmoylan-pi misses the green text on black of ancient ibm monitor i first used in 80s... hercules video card powered it.
[12:09] <zmoylan-pi> franken pc that someone had erased the disk park utility on. so it had to be moved super carefully.
[12:10] <daftykins> couldn't obtain it again? 0o
[12:10] <diddledan> lol, my first pc had one of those utilities - dad added a call to it via a batch script called bye.bat, so to shutdown I just typed "bye" and waited for the hard drive to shutdown then power off
[12:10] <zmoylan-pi> well it would involve finding a bbs that hosted park utilities for companies that no longer existed iirc
[12:11] <zmoylan-pi> and the bbs would most likely be in usa so be a long distance call...
[12:11] <diddledan> skyper
[12:11] <diddledan> skype
[12:11] <diddledan> :-p
[12:12] <diddledan> I wonder if anyone has tried data calls via skype
[12:12] <zmoylan-pi> also the noisiest hard drive i ever used. i could hear the heads moving 2 rooms away
[12:14] <zmoylan-pi> i did once try an acoustic coupler to an analog mobile in 80s...
[12:14] <diddledan> wow
[12:14] <diddledan> fun
[12:15] <zmoylan-pi> more a proof of concept than practical as calls were stupidly expensive. a call to a nearby bbs was like calling japan level of cost...
[12:16] <zmoylan-pi> but i thought it might be useful if boss was in backend of ireland and needed code or binaries sent instead of a round trip back to dublin
[12:23] <diddledan> I wonder if I'm highlighted in intelligence agencies' extremist category yet
[12:23] <diddledan> (visiting linux journal might make you such, e.g.)
[12:24] <zmoylan-pi> i ordered a copy of guerilla days by tom barry over a decade ago to be sure :-)
[12:24] <diddledan> for any NSA or GCHQ guys, I'm not hard to find; I use my real name for example
[12:25] <zmoylan-pi> i've loaned that book to dozens of people...
[12:25] <diddledan> although I appear to no-longer be on the first page of teh googs
[12:28] <diddledan> looks like my homepage is the top result actually referring to me at number 24
[12:28] <diddledan> when you search for my name that is
[12:38] <diddledan> looks like isis have managed to convince france to wage holy war on them
[12:39] <diddledan> ref: http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/france-launches-new-airstrikes-against-is/ar-BBn63WV
[12:46] <hexhaxtron> diddledan, can I pm you?
[12:56] <daftykins> just ask stuff in channel so everyone can have input
[12:59] <diddledan> ^ wot 'e sed!
[13:00] <hexhaxtron> daftykins, diddledan I just want to know if I can get problems or get caught if I use a Smart TV with an antenna without paying for the license?
[13:01] <Laney> O_O
[13:05] <daftykins> you are at risk, so it's your gamble
[13:05] <daftykins> i don't have a license and therefore i don't use any broadcast TV method. simple as.
[13:07] <foobarry> The Guardian
[13:07] <foobarry> FHM and Zoo magazines to suspend publication
[13:07] <foobarry> replaced by reddit
[13:08] <SuperMatt> pretty much
[13:08] <SuperMatt> I'm not surprised, they just couldn't' keep up
[13:11] <foobarry> FHM’s circulation fell to less than 67,000 for the first six months of this year.That compares to the more than 700,000 copies FHM was selling in 2000,
[13:11] <SuperMatt> well, we all still had dial back then
[13:20] <zmoylan-pi> so mens mags on the way out, even playboy won't be printing nudes next year, what are sales figures like for womens mags i wonder
[13:20] <foobarry> gossip mags?
[13:21] <foobarry> all mags are failling across the board
[13:22] <zmoylan-pi> well there's fashion/gossip/crafting plus other categories that if you saw on a waiting room table would label womens mags
[13:22] <foobarry> all except slimming world
[13:22] <foobarry> which has grown
[13:22] <foobarry> http://www.mediaweek.co.uk/article/1333599/magazines-abcs-top-100-glance
[13:23] <foobarry> linux format in the top 50 digital editions. not this year though
[13:25] <daftykins> i saw a Linux Format in a local Waitrose the other day, DVD said it had ubuntu 15.04 ¬_¬
[13:26] <foobarry> wow
[13:26] <foobarry> the only mag i ever buy is airfix model world...free calednar this month :)
[13:26] <daftykins> hahaha
[13:26] <foobarry> linux magz are up against it when g+ supplies my needs
[13:26] <daftykins> all the free stuff gets lost to buyers over here i think
[13:27] <zmoylan-pi> does it come in parts that you have to assemble? :-)
[13:27] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: 13 pieces
[13:27] * zmoylan-pi misses the days when computer shopper was about 1000 pages of adverts... and started on page 200 or so...
[13:33] <foobarry> heh
[13:34] <daftykins> i remember those ;_;
[13:34] <diddledan> yey bugs! https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=557087
[13:35] <Laney> yeah I remember buying those magazines that were just shop listings
[13:35] <Laney> and coming up with my dream PC
[13:35] <Laney> then working out that if I just did my paper round for 2 years
[13:35] <daftykins> then not affording it and having the sads? :D
[13:35] <Laney> and spent no money at all
[13:35] <Laney> ............
[13:35] <Laney> yeah that happened
[13:36] <daftykins> i used the entire wage of a supermarket shelf stacking job to buy a single graphics card once
[13:36] <daftykins> geforce 2 GTS!
[13:37] <diddledan> what was the games mail-order catalogue that got put into magazines back in the 90s?
[13:39] <diddledan> maybe special reserve?
[14:26] <diplo_> afternoon all
[14:29] <daftykins> o/
[14:31] <diplo_> root
[14:31] <diplo_> arse
[14:33] <diddledan> language timothy
[14:33] <diplo> It's a peice of my anatomy :D
[14:33] <diddledan> :-p
[14:38] <daftykins> glad it's not your root password ;)
[14:38] <diddledan> my root password is toor
[14:39] <daftykins> how about on your roottoor?
[14:46] <diplo> Tis a fresh installed VM, no users yet :/
[14:52] <foobarry> http://superuser.com/a/440057 << can someone help with the sed command please?
[14:52] <foobarry> don't understand the line break
[14:54] <Myrtti> I have a sneaking suspicion I had to do it with AWK way back when
[14:54] <foobarry> sed: -e expression #1, char 48: unterminated address regex
[15:00] <foobarry> awksome
[15:00] <foobarry> it seems to work!
[15:03] <Myrtti> I is helpful!
[15:03] <foobarry> thanks for the hint
[15:43] <_Ridgewing> Just looking at the lastest thingy from the government (UK) http://postimg.org/image/uzamha2yv/
[15:45] <diddledan> ok?:
[15:49] <Myrtti> diddledan: I agree
[16:33] <awilkins> "sod off dave"
[16:33] <awilkins> Oh, wait, RANDOM words
[17:55] <daftykins> heh good fun calling up some clients, this old mate of my dads was telling me the company opposite his home had huge wheelie bins full of 17" LCDs and PCs that all worked, just now
[17:55] <zmoylan-pi> illegally dumping computer hardware?
[17:55] <daftykins> nah it's what that company does
[17:55] <daftykins> he caught a couple before the rain came :D
[17:56] <bashrc_> bonus
[18:17] <Seeker`> Are there any irc logs around from 2007 on the web?
[18:17] <diddledan> Seeker`: irclogs.ubuntu.com
[18:17] <Seeker`> Don't think loco logs there go back that far
[18:20] <DJones> Seeker`: 200
[18:20] <DJones> 4
[18:20] <Seeker`> diddledan: they go back to 18th nov 2010
[18:20] <Seeker`> for ubuntu-uk
[18:21] <DJones> Maybe thats when it became offical and had a logbot
[18:21] <daftykins> after anything in particular?
[18:22] <Seeker`> trying to work out when mootbot first appeared
[18:23] <Seeker`> Trying to remember if I actually wrote it, or whether I stole the code from elsewhere :P
[18:24] <DJones> Seeker`: Have you been sued for copyright yet? If not, its yours :)
[18:24] <daftykins> or it's really bad? ;)
[18:24] <Seeker`> DJones: haha, no. But I don't maintain meeting bot code any longer either :P
[18:25] <Seeker`> Just a discussion I'm having with someone elsewhere. I *think* I wrote mootbot in response to an ubuntu-uk meeting that went on forever
[18:25] <Seeker`> I'm not sure who was around back then though :P
[18:25] <Seeker`> other than popey
[18:30] <popey> :)
[18:31] <popey> pretty sure we have older logs than that
[18:31] <Seeker`> yay! it's popey!
[18:31] <popey> maybe not
[18:31] <Seeker`> apparently I did write it in response to an overly long meeting https://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/Meetings-Minutes-and-Mootbot
[18:32] <popey> I've seen it used by other projects too
[18:32] <popey> including fedora and suse
[18:32] <Seeker`> I think the original mootbot is long dead, but there have been ports of rewrites of rewrites etc.
[18:32] <popey> heh
[18:33] <Seeker`> It was started as a clone/replacement of meetbot by HolgerLevsen, which was itself a derivative of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot used by the Ubuntu Scribes team
[18:33] <Seeker`> That's the debian one
[18:36] <DJones> Did mootbot become alanbell's meetingology
[18:37] <popey> maybe
[18:38] <daftykins> i take it the other alans didn't drop of the face of the earth - and just eschew IRC these days?
[18:38] <daftykins> *off
[18:38] <popey> yeah, busy busy
[18:38] <DJones> Probably can't get irc in the pepper tunnel
[18:39] <DJones> Alan Bell is certainly active on twitter with his fire creating peppers
[18:39] <daftykins> ah good good :D
[18:40] <daftykins> sad if that Pi project never got any further though
[18:48] <Seeker`> DJones: I think he reimplemented Mootbot as meetingology
[18:48] <DJones> quite possibly
[18:49] <DJones> It was done quite quickly, not sure which source he used
[19:31] <foobarry> what happened about the pi's ? wasn't that a kickstarter type thing?
[19:32] <foobarry> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu#/
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[09:29] <Mortorq> Hallo, ich habe seit 2 tagen ein unfeines problem mit 2 Ubuntu servern, vermutlich in zusammenhang mit meinen backups. bekomme ueber nacht immer die fehlermeldung "CIFS VFS: Unexpected lookup error -112" fuer gute 3 stunden, danach ist das system nur noch per ssh erreichbar und muss neu gestartet werden, kann mir jemand helfen das weiter zu debuggen?
[09:31] <Mortorq> huch, das System ist nur noch per VNC erreichbar!
[09:42] <Hootch> Hi, gebt ihr auch hier hilfe für kubuntu?
[09:43] <Fuchs> an sich ja
[09:44] <Hootch> hi, ich hab kubuntu 15.04 drauf und wollte upgraden. Der Installer Muon Update Manager sagt aber: "Python Installation kaputt ..." Geht das jemand?
[09:44] <Hootch> eh .. kennt das jemand
[09:45] <Fuchs> Waere nett, wenn Du das mal auf einer Konsole machen wuerdest,
[09:45] <Fuchs> da bekaemst Du ggf. bessere Fehlermeldungen
[09:46] <Hootch> Fuchs: Wie war nochmal der Befehl für ein Dist Upgrade?
[09:46] <Fuchs> also ein Upgrade auf eine neue Version (15.08) oder einfach ein Systemupgrade?
[09:47] <Hootch> auf 15.10
[09:47] <Hootch> ich dachte "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[09:49] <Fuchs> sudo do-release-upgrade
[09:49] <Fuchs> dist-upgrade bleibt bei der aktuellen Version
[09:50] <Fuchs> je nach aktueller Version muss es sudo do-release-upgrade -d sein
[09:56] <Hootch> da kommt: Ihre Python-Installation ist beschädigt. Bitte korrigieren Sie die Verknüpfung »/usr/bin/python«. diese zeigt auf -> /usr/bin/python -> python2
[09:56] <Hootch> reconfigure pkg? mit python?
[09:56] <Fuchs> probier ein reinstall der Python Pakete. Du hast nicht zufaellig irgendwelche PPAs aktiv, oder?
[09:56] <Fuchs> oder Spielereien mit python3
[09:57] <Fuchs> dpkg-reconfigure weiss ich nicht, ob es die Links macht. apt-get install --reinstall sollte
[09:57] <Fuchs> sudo apt-get install --reinstall python << das sollte
[10:00] <Hootch> keine ppa's hab python(2) und python3 neu installiert. gleicher fehler :(
[10:01] <Fuchs> Naja, Du koenntest den Symlink auch loeschen und mit ln -s neu anlegen
[10:02] <Fuchs> sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/python2.7 /usr/bin/python << so etwas
[10:04] <Hootch> ah! die links waren falsch gesetzt!
[10:05] <Hootch> läuft! :)
[10:05] <Hootch> Fuchs: Danke dir
[10:09] <Fuchs> Keine Ursache
[17:04] <Guest53093> Hab gerade Xchat runtergeladen
[17:04] <Guest53093> vor 20sec
[17:05] <Guest53093> ???
[17:06] <leszek> Guest53093: hmm... wo liegt das Problem ?
[17:07] <Guest53093> ok das ist also ein chat für Probleme ???
[17:09] <leszek> ja genau. Probleme und Fragen zu Ubuntu werden hier beantwortet
[17:10] <Guest53093> gut zu wissen!
[17:10] <rene__> Moin zusammen...
[17:11] <rene__> weiß jemand ob und wann es einen lauffähigen ati treiber geben wird?
[17:11] <rene__> sorry, für 15.10 :)
[17:12] <rene__> noch mal sorry, von amd ;)
[17:14] <nagetier> raus mit dir und nochmal von vorne
[17:14] <rene__> :D
[17:14] <nagetier> :)
[17:15] <leszek> rene__: das weiß nur amd selber
[17:16] <rene__> Na ich hatte auf den amd treiber aus den Paketquellen gehofft und in erweiterung dessen dass amd vielleicht schon einen lauffähigen hat :D
[17:28] <smeexs> rene ubuntu software center - bearbeiten - software-paketquellen - zusätzliche treiber warst schon ?
[17:29] <smeexs> rene__
[17:30] <smeexs> dann halt nicht ^^
[17:38] <Hootch> abend, gab es schon probs mit kubuntu 15.10? hab das upgrade noch nicht gemacht.
[17:40] <nagetier> mit hoher wahrscheinlichkeit.. 15.10 läuft hier zufriedenstellend
[17:42] <Hootch> derzeit läuft alles und irgendwie will ich das grad nicht ändern :D
[17:42] <smeexs> warum upgradet ihr überhaupt , die versionen sind doch nur zum testen oder für entwickler gedacht.
[17:42] <Hootch> kde 5 ist klasse
[19:51] <xchatter> Seit dem upgrade auf 15.10 friert mein PC ca. 3-4 mal pro Tag ein. Wie finde ich raus woran das liegt?
[19:51] <nagetier> xchatter, dmesg ist ein guter Anfang
[19:52] <xchatter> Und wonach muss ich da gucken?
[19:52] <nagetier> xchatter, und ~/.xsession-errors[.old]
[19:53] <nagetier> xchatter, das ist sehr individuell
[19:54] <xchatter> hmm bringt mir nichts der Befehl desg
[19:54] <xchatter> dmesg
[19:54] <xchatter> Lauter output welchen ich nicht zu interpretieren vermag.
[19:54] <xchatter> Steht auch keine Uhrzeit dabei.
[19:55] <nagetier> dmes-T
[19:55] <nagetier> *dmesg -T
[19:56] <nagetier> xchatter, ja, das heißt jede Zeile kontrollieren und auswerten
[19:59] <exoplanet> habe gerade kein Ubuntu zur hand. Ist /tmp als tmpfs eingehängt bei aktuellen Ubuntus? (Also nur im RAM)
[19:59] <nagetier> exoplanet, ja
[19:59] <nagetier> "tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,relatime)"
[19:59] <xchatter> Heisst dann im Endeffekt Ubuntu neu installieren für Nicht-Kernel-Entwickler.
[20:01] <nagetier> xchatter, würde ich nicht sagen.. das kann heißen, du setzt dich mit den Meldungen, die uns glücklicherweise vom OS bereitgestellt werden, auseinander, oder du postest diese hier, und hoffst jemand anderes erledigt das für dich
[20:02] <xchatter> Aber woher sehe ich, ob diese von heute sind oder von letzter Woche? Es steht keine Uhrzeit oder Datum dabei.
[20:02] <nagetier> xchatter, welche GPU setzt du ein?
[20:03] <nagetier> xchatter, 'dmesg -T' macht das sehr wohl
[20:04] <exoplanet> danke nagetier
[20:04] <xchatter> nagetier, https://www.zotac.com/de/product/mini_pcs/ca320-nano
[20:04] <nagetier> xchatter, würde da jetzt erst einmal die Grafikkarte und deren Treiber verdächtigen und dort anfangen
[20:06] <nagetier> xchatter, sende uns mal bitte ein 'lspci | grep VGA'
[20:07] <nagetier> xchatter, wird auf dem Gerät eine grafische Oberfläche eingesetzt?
[20:07] <xchatter> lspci | grep VGA
[20:07] <xchatter> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series Graphics & Display (rev 0e)
[20:07] <xchatter> Ja, Kubuntu
[20:07] <xchatter> Kubuntu 15.10
[20:07] <mrkramps> oO
[20:08] <mrkramps> also die spezifikationen auf der seite da sind irgendwie anders
[20:09] <mrkramps> eine C320 ist es definitiv nicht
[20:11] <xchatter> Sorry, der hier: https://www.zotac.com/de/product/mini_pcs/ci320-nano
[20:11] <xchatter> My bad
[20:11] <xchatter> Der ist richtig. Habe gerade unter dem Gerät nachgeschaut
[20:12] <xchatter> Wenn ich gleich auf einmal weg sein sollte, dann ist mein PC wieder abgedongert.
[20:13] <mrkramps> xchatter, kriegen wir noch einen nopaste mit `dmesg -T` ?
[20:14] <xchatter> http://pastebin.ca/3258748
[20:21] <xchatter> So, da bin ich wieder nach einem Freeze.
[20:23] <mrkramps> xchatter, jetzt wäre eine neuer nopaste interessant, aber vom inhalt der datei /var/log/dmesg.0
[20:23] <mrkramps> und evtl. auch von /var/log/syslog und syslog.1
[20:24] <xchatter> datei /var/log/dmesg.0: http://pastebin.com/N3VZzaeM
[20:27] <xchatter> /var/log/syslog: http://pastebin.ca/3258764
[20:28] <xchatter> syslog.1: http://pastebin.ca/3258769
[20:29] <mrkramps> im moment kriege ich keinen verbindungsaufbau zu pastebin.ca
[20:29] <nagetier> ebenfalls
[20:30] <k1l> ist das nen 14.10?
[20:31] <k1l> xchatter: mach mal bitte ein "sudo apt update && apt-cache policy linux-generic" und pack es auch in einen pastebin
[20:31] <mrkramps> da sind ein paar segfault zu kde komponenten
[20:31] <mrkramps> aber erst, was k1l sagt!
[20:32] <xchatter> 15.10
[20:33] <xchatter> k1l, http://pastebin.com/4xNKkKi3
[20:33] <k1l> und warum bootest du nicht den 4.2er kernel?
[20:34] <xchatter> k1l, ?? Wie meinst Du das?
[20:34] <k1l> was gibt "uname -a"?
[20:34] <k1l> die eine zeile kannste hier rienpacken
[20:34] <mrkramps> verdammt, manchmal sollte man in den logs halt vorne anfangen ^^
[20:35] <mrkramps> das mit der kernel-version hab ich übersehen
[20:35] <xchatter> bw@twister:~$ uname -a
[20:35] <xchatter> Linux twister 4.2.0-18-generic #22-Ubuntu SMP Fri Nov 6 18:25:50 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:35] <k1l> xchatter: das eine log da oben sagt aber es ist ein 3.16
[20:36] <k1l> ah warte. dmesg wird seit dem systemd umstieg nicht mehr gespeichert.
[20:36] <xchatter> ok
[20:36] <k1l> die anderen pastes der syslogs laden bei mir leider nicht
[20:37] <xchatter> Sie sind leider zu lang für pastebin.com
[20:37] <xchatter> Gibt es noch einen besseren paste?
[20:37] <xchatter> ah ubuntu paste
[20:37] <xchatter> Moment
[20:39] <xchatter> datei /var/log/dmesg.0 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13317641/
[20:39] <k1l> paste.ubuntu.com oder paste.ubuntuusers.de
[20:39] <mrkramps> xchatter, das aber wieder nur dmesg
[20:39] <k1l> das dmesg log hilft uns nicht, weil es von vor einem jahr ist :)
[20:39] <xchatter> /var/log/syslog: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13317658/
[20:41] <xchatter> Und hier noch die syslog.1: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13317685/
[20:47] <mrkramps> hm hm hm, das system hängt sich nicht weg, aber wohl der XServer und damit gleich die ganze KDE-Desktopumgebung
[20:48] <k1l> kde ist seit der 5er version ja wieder bekannt für abstürze. aber ich nutze es selber nicht.
[20:48] <mrkramps> xchatter, jetzt bräuchten wir noch /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[20:49] <xchatter> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13317805/
[20:50] <xchatter> mrkramps, sieht man das Aufhängen des XServers aus den log files?
[20:51] <mrkramps> xchatter, nicht direkt, aber im syslog beklagt sich ein kde dienst über die fehlende verbindung zum xserver
[20:52] <xchatter> ok
[20:52] <xchatter> hmm
[20:52] <mrkramps> aber so insgesamt … das was k1l schon sagte, KDE ist gerade kein beispiel für stabilität
[20:52] <k1l> guck mal in deinem /home verzeichnis in die .xsession-errors
[20:53] <xchatter> Also was tun? Neu installieren?
[20:53] <k1l> das riecht danach, dass kde selber probleme hat weil das system (hardware, treiber, xserver) scheint fröhlich durchzulaufen
[20:54] <xchatter> Hier ist die xsession-errors: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/13317886/
[20:55] <mrkramps> holy shit
[20:55] <xchatter> Was los?
[20:55] <mrkramps> ich wusste gar nicht, dass diese datei so ergiebig sein kann
[20:56] <mrkramps> normalerweise stehen da ein paar zeilen drin
[20:56] <k1l> ich weiß nicht wie voll die datei sonst bei kde ist. aber das ist ja eine fülle dort
[20:56] <xchatter> Solange sie mir sagt, was ich gegen die Abstürze tun kann.... :)
[20:57] <nagetier> die .old könnte noch etwas aussagen
[20:58] <xchatter> Was für eine .old?
[20:58] <mrkramps> xsession-errors.old
[20:59] <xchatter> Finde ich nicht.
[20:59] <mrkramps> loggt KDE alles mit in der datei!?
[20:59] <xchatter> Gibt es bei mir nicht
[20:59] <xchatter> Keine Ahnung.
[21:01] <mrkramps> die datei dürfte aber vom letzten start vom KDE _nach_ dem letzten absturz sein
[21:02] <nagetier> meine Vermutung war die .xsession-errors.old hat noch den Absturz in sich
[21:02] <mrkramps> nagetier, oder den absturz nicht überlebt
[21:02] <nagetier> Joa
[21:02] <nagetier> schon komisch wenn die nicht vorhanden ist
[21:03] <xchatter> Also im home verzeichnis ist sie nicht
[21:03] <mrkramps> xchatter, kannst du bei einem crash noch auf die virtuelle konsole wechseln?
[21:04] <nagetier> allerdings sollten solche Daten auch direkt auf die Festspeicher geschrieben und nicht im RAM behandelt werden
[21:04] <xchatter> mrkramps, nein. Es friert alles ein.
[21:05] <xchatter> Keine Taste geht mehr
[21:06] <xchatter> Wie kann ich über Linux ein BIOS update machen? Das soll ja nun möglich sein.
[21:06] <mrkramps> das ist herstellerspezifisch
[21:07] <mrkramps> an deiner stelle würde ich aber einfach mal eine andere desktopumgebung laufen lassen um KDE ausschließen zu können
[21:07] <xchatter> Wie meinst Du herstellerspezifisch?
[21:08] <nagetier> xchatter, installiere dir dazu einfach eine weitere Umgebung und lass KDE vorerst bestehen
[21:08] <mrkramps> xchatter, ein BIOS update wird vom hersteller angeboten und die legen fest was, wie und womit
[21:08] <mrkramps> und ob überhaupt
[21:09] <nagetier> das Risiko würde ich nicht eingehen wollen
[21:09] <mrkramps> zumindest nicht, solange KDE nicht ausgeschlossen wurde
[21:09] <mrkramps> oder die aktuell verwendete kernel-version
[21:10] <nagetier> ansich, der Rechner muss danach eh kalt gestartet werden
[21:11] <xchatter> OK
[21:11] <xchatter> hmm
[21:11] <xchatter> Also ihr meint es liegt am xserver?
[21:14] <mrkramps> xchatter, ich vermute eher an KDE
[21:14] <k1l> xchatter: nein. der xserver ist ok, kde ist das problem
[21:16] <nagetier> lass eine Zeitlang eine andere Oberfläche laufen, das sollte sich ja innerhalb von 24h mehrfach zeigen.. date das System immer wieder ab und springe ab und zu in KDE
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[14:36] <thebwt> howdy folks
[20:23] <xfailedrealityx> Hey
[22:21] <thebwt> howdy xfailedrealityx
[22:52] <xfailedrealityx> How is going?
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-bugs
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[19:28] <melodie> hi
[19:29] <melodie> I have reported a bug recently, against zram, and a wish. It's here:
[19:29] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zram-config/+bug/1516397
[19:29] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zram-config/+bug/1516399
[19:30] <melodie> if anyone is interested in zram things, it would be nice to triage them?
[21:02] <gQuigs> can I get this nominated for just trusty? - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/1505328 thanks
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.948590
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2015-11-17-#cloud-init
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[20:23] <jdcaddie> Is there any documentation on how to configure a datasource for openstack
[20:23] <jdcaddie> newb here
[20:25] <jdcaddie> trying to figure out where to exactly configure my cloud-config files
[20:39] <smoser> jdcaddie, you should not erally have to configure anything
[20:39] <smoser> the built in list will include openstack search
[20:40] <smoser> you can optionally explicitly set it in a file in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/your.cfg
[20:40] <smoser> datasource_list: [ MAAS ]
[20:41] <jdcaddie> smoser, I guess im just trying to really figure out how to set custom configurations using cloud-init... such as mount points, running scripts, etc
[20:42] <smoser> ah.
[20:42] <jdcaddie> smoser, do I just add them to the cloud.cfg or should I create cloud-config metadata scripts
[20:43] <smoser> if you want to config things and make a "golden image" with those built in
[20:43] <smoser> then put whatever you'd like in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/your.cfg
[20:43] <smoser> but generally, you dont have to do that and you should just pass whatever you want to happen through user-data
[20:43] <smoser> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit
[20:43] <smoser> and then http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config.txt
[20:44] <smoser> and other files in that directory are really best documentation
[20:44] <smoser> and i admittedly use "best" loosely
[20:44] <jdcaddie> great, I will do some reading! thanks for the insite
[20:45] <jdcaddie> in openstack user-data are scripts that get passed when building a instance correct? of can there be centalized set of user-data scripts?
[20:45] <smoser> when you create an instance
[20:46] <smoser> (as opposed to build an image)
[20:46] <smoser> user-data is per-instance and provied on 'nova boot'
[20:47] <jdcaddie> thanks, thats exacty what i needed to know
[23:20] <agy> if i want to create an additional DataSource for cloud-init, can i provide cloud-init an additional path to load this new DS?
[23:21] <agy> i'm not overly keen to dump the new DS in the dist-packages directory if i can help it
[23:21] <agy> or at least, the dist-packages/cloud-init directory
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-nz
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[18:37] <olly_> morning
[18:50] <ibeardslee> morning
[21:39] <chilts> morning
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.953672
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-meeting
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[16:02] <rbasak> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 17 16:02:13 2015 UTC. The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:02] <rbasak> Who's here?
[16:02] <rbasak> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:02] <hallyn> \o
[16:02] <rbasak> rbasak look at https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/lvm-grub-preseed-fix/+merge/258620 and https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-test-cases/fix_minimal_image_size_test/+merge/235298
[16:02] <rbasak> Sorry, I haven't done this yet. I'll carry it over.
[16:02] <rbasak> #action rbasak look at https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/lvm-grub-preseed-fix/+merge/258620 and https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-test-cases/fix_minimal_image_size_test/+merge/235298
[16:02] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak look at https://code.launchpad.net/~psivaa/ubuntu-test-cases/lvm-grub-preseed-fix/+merge/258620 and https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu-test-cases/fix_minimal_image_size_test/+merge/235298
[16:02] <rbasak> #topic Xenial Development
[16:03] <rbasak> It's mainly merge and sync time at the moment.
[16:03] <rbasak> I have a list of areas that need looking at. I'd like to assign some things to people.
[16:04] <hallyn> for instance?
[16:04] <rbasak> Let me list them.
[16:04] <rbasak> strongswan
[16:04] <rbasak> systemd-boot tagged bugs for server packages
[16:04] <rbasak> DPDK (I think cpaelzer and smb are working on this)
[16:05] <rbasak> etckeeper - we should drop the bzr delta now and resync with Debian, being careful to manage upgrade paths, and then stop worrying about this package.
[16:05] <rbasak> I'm working on MySQL upstream.
[16:05] <rbasak> NTP needs a merge and some bugs fixing
[16:05] <arges> i got libvirt
[16:05] <rbasak> freeipmi and logwatch need merges
[16:05] <rbasak> I'd like to look at deprecating mail-stack-delivery post-Xenial.
[16:06] <hallyn> etckeeper sounds scary. though might be fun
[16:06] <rbasak> "Big" merges I think need doing are dovecot, nut, amavisd-new and bacula.
[16:06] <rbasak> That's my list.
[16:06] <cpaelzer> rbasak, I can confirm working on DPDK
[16:06] <rbasak> cpaelzer: how are you doing with nis? Do you want to take on one of the other merges as well?
[16:07] <rbasak> The deadline for all of this is feature freeze, which is scheduled for 18 Feb.
[16:07] <cpaelzer> rbasak, I havent found the time to do the nis fix for a proper transition on upgrade yet
[16:07] <cpaelzer> I hope to get it somewhen in November to a state ready for review
[16:08] <cpaelzer> rbasak, diving head on into dpdk I don't need an extra merge as of now
[16:08] <rbasak> hallyn: do you want etckeeper then?
[16:08] <hallyn> not right now.
[16:09] <hallyn> if you keep a list somewhere where ppl can grab items that'd be useful, but not sure how
[16:09] <rbasak> I know that nobody wants this stuff right now, but I'd like to have someone nominated for each thing with a non-immediate (Feb) deadline
[16:09] <hallyn> blueprint :)
[16:09] <rbasak> Yeah I should have a blueprint.
[16:09] <hallyn> thta i can do - put me down
[16:09] <rbasak> #action rbasak to create blueprint for Xenial feature work
[16:09] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to create blueprint for Xenial feature work
[16:09] <hallyn> (by feb :)
[16:09] <rbasak> OK. Thanks! Do you want a sooner goal hallyn for reminder purposes?
[16:09] <hallyn> yes
[16:10] <rbasak> End of Nov for now?
[16:10] <hallyn> yeah
[16:10] <rbasak> Thank you.
[16:10] <hallyn> (cause i' not around much indec)
[16:10] <rbasak> cpaelzer: can I do the same for you for a merge please?
[16:10] <rbasak> kickinz1: around? Can I give you a merge too please?
[16:11] <cpaelzer> rbasak, End of Nov is what I want to track myself as of now for nis
[16:11] <kickinz1> rbazak, yes
[16:12] * rbasak looks for something to give to kickinz1
[16:12] <hallyn> eh make it an action to find something :)
[16:13] <smoser> o.
[16:13] <rbasak> smoser: can I give you the systemd-boot issues maybe?
[16:13] <smoser> link ?
[16:14] <rbasak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscri
[16:14] <rbasak> ber=&field.structural_subscriber=ubuntu-server&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.tag=systemd-boot&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_no_package.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&fie
[16:14] <rbasak> ld.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search
[16:14] <rbasak> Lovely.
[16:14] <rbasak> I searched for tag=systemd-boot, package/series subscriber=ubuntu-server.
[16:15] <rbasak> There are 10.
[16:15] <smoser> http://tinyurl.com/nzecls5
[16:15] <rbasak> Thanks
[16:16] <smoser> i'm sorry i joined late.
[16:16] <smoser> are you just asking me to triage ? or to commit to fixing .
[16:17] <rbasak> I'd like you to drive those for Xenial please. Fix as appropriate anything you deem important.
[16:17] <rbasak> If not important, feel free to triage to low importance and leave.
[16:17] <hallyn> delegate :)
[16:18] <rbasak> I'll find kickinz1 something after looking through the merge list later.
[16:18] <rbasak> #action rbasak to find kickinz1 a merge to do
[16:18] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to find kickinz1 a merge to do
[16:18] <smoser> rbasak, ok.
[16:18] <rbasak> smoser: thanks
[16:18] <rbasak> Any comments for Xenial development in general before I move on?
[16:19] <rbasak> I'll skip my Assigned bugwork section in the agenda. Right now I'd like to focus on features.
[16:19] <rbasak> (since we're early cycle)
[16:19] <rbasak> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:19] <caribou> I'm good rbasak
[16:19] <rbasak> OK thanks
[16:19] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:20] <rbasak> matsubara isn't here, so let's move on.
[16:20] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:20] <smb> Not much new here (beside dpdk which isn't really kernel).
[16:20] <smb> Do we have questions?
[16:20] <rbasak> Thanks smb.
[16:20] <rbasak> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:21] <rbasak> Anything new?
[16:21] <rbasak> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:21] <rbasak> Any new events?
[16:22] <rbasak> #topic Open Discussion
[16:22] <rbasak> I'm out next week.
[16:22] <rbasak> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:22] <rbasak> jgrimm: will you be OK to chair next week? You're next in the list.
[16:23] <jgrimm> rbasak, ack
[16:23] <rbasak> The next meeting will be Tue Nov 24 16:00 UTC 2015. jgrimm will chair.
[16:23] <rbasak> Thanks all!
[16:23] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[16:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 17 16:23:38 2015 UTC.
[16:23] <meetingology> Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-11-17-16.02.moin.txt
[16:23] <jgrimm> thanks rbasak
[16:23] <caribou> thanks rbasak !
[16:24] <cpaelzer> thanks, rbasak
[17:47] * Na3iL is away: AFK
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-tn
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[14:28] <elacheche> idhaoui, ichihi ICT4ALL live : https://youtu.be/_l5VOO-BluU
[14:29] <idhaoui> Salam elacheche
[14:29] <elacheche> Salam idhaoui :)
[14:39] <ichihi> elacheche, who is the crazy guy shouting at the speaker?
[14:43] <elacheche> ichihi, based on the face, and the name they using to call him I think that he's https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongi_Marzouk
[14:44] <ichihi> elacheche, C'est pas vrai! J'avait tellement de respect pour cette personne.. quel impoli
[14:46] <elacheche> ichihi, je suis pas 100% sure de ça.. J'ai pas regardé le streaming plus que vous.. On va verifier après l'intervention de maintenant, je pense que y aura un debat
[15:43] <ichihi> elacheche, Apparement, il s'agit bien de Mongi Zarrouk :(
[15:43] <elacheche> yep :/
[15:43] <elacheche> ichihi, s/Zarrouk/Marzouk
[17:46] * Na3iL is away: AFK
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ubuntu-chat
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2024-05-13T22:11:17.963143
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-gnome
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[00:34] <JDAIII> New question. Has anyone installed UG 15.10 or a recent version on a macbook pro. Boss is talking about giving us all macbook pros and I hate OSX with a passion.
[05:41] <bcx> Running autocutsel opens a few pixels window on the bottom right of the screen, how can I hide it ?
[06:15] <THEoracle> hello all
[13:57] <LinDol> hi all :)
[13:58] <LinDol> Who does person have installed 16.04 daily build here?
[13:58] <LinDol> oh sorry my english :)
[14:04] <mgedmin> I think you're supposed to call it "xenial", because 16.04 is the name for the finished product which doesn't exist yet
[14:06] <LinDol> oops )
[14:06] <LinDol> :)
[14:06] <LinDol> did you install xenial ?
[14:06] <mgedmin> no, I'm too chicken to do that
[14:06] <LinDol> on VirtualBox
[14:07] <LinDol> chicken?
[14:07] <LinDol> =_=?
[14:08] <mgedmin> ah, a VM? no time/disk space enough :)
[14:08] <LinDol> Okay :)
[14:21] <Sicnus> how can I install kde desktop on Ubuntu Gnome? I know it's the devil but I wanted to just try it out.
[14:28] <muelli> LinDol: I have it installed
[14:28] <LinDol> Sicnus, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE
[14:28] <LinDol> muelli, oh really? did you install it on VM(virtual box)?
[14:28] <muelli> LinDol: no
[14:32] <LinDol> Okay :)
[14:38] <LinDol> Sicnus, is it that you want? :)
[14:39] <Sicnus> LinDol, yeah... just needed to apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:39] <Sicnus> ;)
[14:39] <LinDol> that is great :) have a good time :-)
[15:03] <LinDol> um..
[15:03] <LinDol> When i install Xenial daily build on Virtual box,,
[15:03] <LinDol> It was not entering X window T_T
[15:03] <LinDol> hmmmm
[15:04] <LinDol> I will try to install Xenial daily build on Virtual box tomorrow for checking language pack
[15:04] <LinDol> Thanks . Have a great night! :)
[15:53] <Sicnus> Anyone finding stability issues with 15.10?
[16:01] <mgedmin> hey, so https://twitter.com/mgedmin/status/666510951785566208
[16:02] <mgedmin> (the new "+" button in the gnome-terminal tab bar in 3.18.2)
[16:02] <mgedmin> apparently it's supposed to be a symbolic icon?
[16:02] <mgedmin> https://twitter.com/hergertme/status/666513926427836417
[16:10] <mgedmin> also hey, what version got that button?
[16:11] <mgedmin> 3.18.0 had it!
[16:12] <mgedmin> this means yesterday there was no gnome-terminal 3.18 in the staging PPA for wily and I was still using 3.16!
[16:15] <mgedmin> ah, ok, the symbolic icon is a fedora patch
[16:15] <mgedmin> so nothing's broken on my system
[16:16] <mgedmin> (for reference: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/gnome-terminal.git/commit/?h=f23&id=162f1238db5fab5c56d77081643fe4237d0c4b14)
[16:29] <mgedmin> maybe ubuntu-gnome should pick up that patch, the symbolic icon does look nicer in screenshots
[16:29] <mgedmin> upstream bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755825
[19:09] <Sicnus> Hey. I have just installed nvidia drivers and now can't startx
[19:10] <Sicnus> Is there a way to start an existing WiFi connection from console?
[19:11] <Sicnus> I am logged in to console. I also removed nvidia-current
[19:11] <Sicnus> On my phone now. Lol
[19:16] <Sicnus> I did apt-get purge nvidia-current but X still won't work
[19:16] <Sicnus> Sigh
[19:17] <Sicnus> Failsafe mode didn't work
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-x
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[08:39] <tseliot> ricotz, mamarley: hey guys, just a heads up. I'm going to upload new nvidia drivers in xenial this morning (in an hour or so), so you might want to reuse my tarballs instead of uploading your own
[11:06] <mamarley> tseliot: Sure, will do.
[11:06] <tseliot> it should all be in xenial-proposed now
[11:11] <mamarley> tseliot: Which versions are they? I get "no current release" for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-358 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-355.
[11:11] <tseliot> mamarley: 352, 340, 304
[11:12] <tseliot> only LTS releases in Ubuntu, that's my policy ;)
[11:12] <mamarley> Ah, OK. We have those versions in the PPA too, but the ones you uploaded have a higher version number, so ours won't get installed. Did you want us to re-upload them now based of what you did, or just the next time there is a release?
[11:13] <mamarley> Also, is there anything we need to do for 355 or 358?
[11:14] <mamarley> (Sorry for all the questions; I just want to make sure that I don't screw up and do something wrong like I have repeatedly in the past.)
[11:16] <tseliot> mamarley: I think nvidia-352 and nvidia-358 are different packages, so they can all be installed, unless you use transitional packages to migrate users from one to the other
[11:17] <tseliot> mamarley: sorry, I misread
[11:17] <tseliot> mamarley: my original point was, if you need to make changes to the latest 352, etc. you can use my new packages as a base. No need to upload a new tarball
[11:18] <mamarley> OK, sure. Thanks!
[11:19] <tseliot> mamarley: as for 358, I haven't looked into that yet but, if that one needs device nodes to be created with specific permissions, I posted an update on what I plan to do here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-modprobe/+bug/1421209
[11:21] <mamarley> tseliot: It just needs to have the nvidia-modeset module loaded automatically before X starts, nothing more.
[11:22] <tseliot> mamarley: ok, that's easy to do
[11:26] <ricotz> tseliot, will take a look in the evening
[11:26] * ricotz notes there is a "working" 358 in the ppa
[11:27] <mamarley> ricotz: How did you have it load nvidia-modeset?
[11:28] <ricotz> with a hacky udev rules
[11:29] <mamarley> Ah, OK.
[11:30] <mamarley> Looks like 352.63 and 340.96 have been released. I will begin working on those right away and should have something ready before lunch (it is early morning here right now).
[11:31] <ricotz> mamarley, this is what tseliot was talking about!
[11:32] <ricotz> and to reuse the uploaded tarballs of him
[11:33] <ricotz> tseliot, btw due to the internal module dependency it should just work while loading nvidia_modeset as default/main module (instead of nvidia)
[11:34] <ricotz> g2g
[11:35] <mamarley> *facepalm* I completely misunderstood the initial message, sorry.
[11:35] <mamarley> tseliot: Sorry, I thought you meant you had made packaging changes and to re-use those, but you actually meant to re-use the tarball.
[11:35] * mamarley beats himself with the clue-by-four.
[11:41] <tseliot> :)
[11:45] <tseliot> ricotz: right, I need to see if that breaks anything though
[11:45] * tseliot -> lunch
[11:55] <mamarley> ricotz and/or tseliot (when you get back): I noticed that the packages were uploaded to Xenial as nvidia-graphics-drivers-yyy-updates, should I keep using the same name as before from the PPA or add "-updates"?
[12:23] <ricotz> mamarley, there are nvidia-graphics-drivers-yyy uploads too (I am going to take a look in the evening)
[12:24] <ricotz> currently busy with other things
[12:32] <mamarley> Ah, OK. Missed that, sorry.
[12:53] <tseliot> yes, you don't need the -updates flavours
[14:18] <mamarley> ricotz: OK, I have everything uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages
[15:42] <ricotz> mamarley, nice :), it still have to wait some time -- btw what is up with 304?
[15:43] <mamarley> ricotz: Why does it have to wait? I didn't realize anything was up with 304.
[15:44] <ricotz> mamarley, because I want to take look at it first
[15:44] <mamarley> Oh, OK, sorry. What's up with 304?
[15:45] <ricotz> there is a 304 relase too as mentioned earlier
[15:45] <mamarley> Oh, I didn't even realize. I will get on it.
[15:50] <mamarley> Hmm, tseliot's amd64 build of 304.131 failed because execstack segfaulted. That's odd...
[15:53] <tseliot> mamarley: in the ppa or in proposed?
[15:53] <mamarley> tseliot: proposed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-304/304.131-0ubuntu1/+build/8308471
[15:55] <tseliot> mamarley: I'll try to rebuild it in my xenial chroot when it's done building some other stuff
[16:21] <mamarley> ricotz: Done. :)
[17:06] <tseliot> mamarley: it should be fixed in -0ubuntu2
[17:31] <ricotz> mamarley, looks ok apart from some minor issues, will copy them over
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[05:52] <Sonu> hi
[05:53] <Sonu> Hi , i am unable to copy my data from ubuntu to my yureka android mobile. http://imgur.com/6zX990u
[09:52] <Sling> hmm security.ubuntu.com doesn't seem to be reachable over ipv6?
[10:00] <henkjan_> 2001:67c:1562::17 and 2001:67c:1562::16 are not working for me
[11:54] <zolder> Hi, im currently setup an sftp server and ssh with a custom port etc.. its running from the inside and outside, only i dont know where i need to change the root directory where the sftp starts
[11:55] <zolder> when i login into it :)
[12:11] <RoyK> zolder: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-unix-rssh-chroot-jail-setup.html perhaps?
[12:11] <RoyK> zolder: if you don't use chroot, it should normally be secure enough anyway unless you do something exceedingly stupid
[12:12] <RoyK> zolder: using rssh is always a good idea for sftp if the users won't need full ssh access
[12:20] <zolder> i just use it for personal use
[12:20] <zolder> im confused by the man sftp-server
[12:21] <zolder> Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server so that rule in my sshd.conf, do i need to put the -d command there ?
[12:22] <RoyK> zolder: sftp is enabled by default
[12:22] <RoyK> zolder: with all ssh servers
[12:22] <zolder> its running
[12:22] <zolder> but when i login
[12:22] <zolder> i need to set a home directory where it begins
[12:23] <RoyK> zolder: default PWD after login is /home
[12:23] <zolder> so i was told to typ, MAN sftp-server
[12:23] <zolder> so in the first line i read -D or -d
[12:23] <zolder> To set my start directory
[12:24] <zolder> i want to set my staret directory to /var/www/downloads
[12:24] <RoyK> zolder: not sure, but I *guess*
[12:24] <zolder> and not to /home
[12:24] <RoyK> Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server -d /var/www/downloads
[12:24] <zolder> yeah thats what i have to put in the rule then
[12:25] <zolder> i was not sure how to put it
[12:25] <zolder> sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server what does that part do then ?
[12:25] <zolder> cant i just delete that ?
[12:25] <RoyK> uh?
[12:26] <zolder> so if i do Subsytem sftp-server -d /var/www/downloads
[12:26] <RoyK> zolder: you don't want two lines with 'Subsystem sftp'
[12:26] <zolder> no i understand
[12:26] <zolder> but why do i need the first part of that subsystem
[12:26] <RoyK> I have this in my sshd_config
[12:26] <RoyK> Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server
[12:27] <zolder> yeah me too atm
[12:27] <RoyK> just add '-d /whatever' to that line
[12:27] <zolder> ok
[12:27] <zolder> cool
[12:27] <RoyK> might even work ;)
[12:27] <zolder> I read on a tutorial that someone changed that line to sftp-internal or something
[12:27] <zolder> but im not sure what it all is doin
[12:27] <zolder> to newb for that :P
[12:28] <RoyK> just testet - works
[12:28] <zolder> ok
[12:28] <zolder> cool
[12:28] <RoyK> but it doesn't chroot anything
[12:28] <RoyK> so if you need chroot, see the link above
[12:29] <zolder> is chroot something like chown ?
[12:29] <zolder> il click the link
[12:29] <zolder> lol
[12:30] <zolder> chroot locks a user into a directory
[12:30] <zolder> sounds legit
[12:31] <zolder> pretty complicated
[12:31] <zolder> damn
[12:32] <RoyK> yeah, better lock users to /home or something and set permissions to only allow users to access their own dir
[12:32] <RoyK> chmod go-rwx /home/*
[12:32] <RoyK> or something
[12:32] <RoyK> then you probably won't need chroot that much
[12:33] <zolder> chroot seems so much effort
[12:33] <zolder> damn
[12:33] <RoyK> we're not using it anymore for our servers, with 20k users ;)
[12:33] <zolder> it doesnt explain enough
[12:33] <zolder> why create the things and all the folders
[12:33] <zolder> its just like follow this and you will be ok
[12:34] <RoyK> zolder: because if something is chrooted, the actual process is also chrooted, and it needs access to some libs and devices etc
[12:34] <zolder> omg 20k users... so much fun to setup :P
[12:34] <zolder> but i guess u use a script for that?
[12:34] <zolder> ahhh
[12:34] <RoyK> for what? the chroot thing?
[12:34] <zolder> so you create your personal root..
[12:35] <RoyK> yeah, something like that
[12:35] <zolder> lot of setting with that then
[12:35] <RoyK> and that makes it rather hard to break out of it
[12:35] <zolder> ok
[12:36] <RoyK> zolder: better chroot users to just /home instead of $HOME - no need to have a chroot evironment in every homedir
[12:37] <RoyK> zolder: or just drop it - if file permissions are ok, there's no need to restrict things any further
[12:37] <zolder> so i type like chroot username:groupname and then ?
[12:37] <RoyK> chroot /somedir
[12:37] <zolder> and that applyś to the user im logged into ?
[12:37] <RoyK> or yeah
[12:38] <zolder> home is fine, only crap in there so
[12:38] <zolder> its just if someone gets onto my sftp i dunno how, but still
[12:38] <zolder> he cant go to my systemfiles
[12:38] <zolder> just to be a little bit more safe.
[12:39] <zolder> Do you suggest to put PAM on or off ?
[12:39] <RoyK> well, they won't be able to read the important bits
[12:39] <RoyK> disabling PAM is *not* recommended
[12:39] <zolder> ok
[12:39] <zolder> and allowDNS off ?
[12:40] <RoyK> the default config is fairly secure as it is
[12:40] <zolder> ok good to know
[12:40] <zolder> i see people making a lot of changes on one say pam on or off, the other say something else
[12:40] <zolder> the tutorials are not always clear
[12:40] <zolder> thanks man for helping
[12:40] <RoyK> if you're not a linux wiz, just don't touch anything you don't know ;)
[12:41] <zolder> thats what i want to do
[12:41] <zolder> else i never learn it
[12:41] <RoyK> then test in a VM
[12:41] <zolder> i try do to everything from the terminal
[12:41] <zolder> im 2 days in linux, and got a cups server, sambaserver, lamp server, sftp,
[12:41] <RoyK> that's very wise
[12:41] <zolder> but i all set it up by terminal
[12:42] <RoyK> very good indeed :)
[12:42] <zolder> 10 years ago i used a Distro called Trustix Secure linux, it was only terminal commands
[12:42] <zolder> i learned the command mdma that time
[12:42] <zolder> had so much fun with that :), so thats why i picked it up again
[12:44] <RoyK> zolder: I've been using linux since late 1994 and even though I had a short period abusing webmin, I gave up on that rather quickly and went back to the commandline ;)
[12:44] <zolder> hehe
[12:45] <zolder> f you understand the cli
[12:45] <zolder> you gonna understand linux
[12:45] <RoyK> you will
[12:45] <zolder> the dekstop is not doin much for me
[12:45] <zolder> l;azyness
[12:45] <zolder> because when people install stuff, and they used desktop and they find a problem, they cannot fix it, because they dont know how to use the console
[12:46] <RoyK> zolder: if you want to test things like chroot or with/without PAM with ssh, I'd suggest installing kvm/libvirt/virt-manager and creating a VM or two to test things there
[12:47] <zolder> i can install kvm on top of my mint ?
[12:47] <RoyK> yeah
[12:47] <zolder> can i make the VM bootable too so i start in fullscreen ?
[12:48] <RoyK> and install virt-manager - it's a GTK GUI thing for managing them
[12:48] <RoyK> zolder: no need, really, just install sshd on them and do the rest from there
[12:48] <zolder> k
[12:48] <zolder> i will look into that later i write it down
[12:48] <RoyK> apt-get install kvm libvirt virt-manager # ta-taa!
[12:49] <zolder> whats the tataatata ?
[12:49] <zolder> just a syntax after its installed?
[12:50] <RoyK> # is "comment symbol"
[12:50] <zolder> kk
[12:50] <zolder> i know from the config files, but didnt know can use it this way hehe
[12:54] <zolder> hmm i cannot use chroot command
[12:54] <zolder> do i need to be su ?
[12:57] <zolder> ahh i need to use chown
[13:03] <jamespage> coreycb, finally got to my sweepup of packaging vmware-nsx + networking-l2gw from last cycle
[13:03] <jamespage> coreycb, uploaded to debian unstable for NEW queue review
[13:03] <jamespage> but also in ppa:james-page/xenial
[13:03] <RoyK> zolder: you need a chroot environment
[13:12] <RoyK> zolder: did you manage to get kvm/libvirt running?
[13:20] <zolder> no not yet
[13:20] <zolder> i was doin some http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/chroot-users-with-openssh-an-easier-way-to-confine-users-to-their-home-directories/
[13:21] <zolder> im locked i nmy directory now
[13:21] <zolder> thats good
[13:22] <zolder> i onyl need to change my permission so i can upload files
[13:25] <paule32> hello, someone there with squid knowledge?
[13:29] <Sling> I know they have ink
[13:43] <RoyK> zolder: nice - didn't know that :)
[13:43] <RoyK> !ask | paule32
[13:59] <meekrat> Is samba and winbind still the preferred method to join a Linux box to a Windows domain in Ubuntu Server 14.04LTS?
[14:01] <hateball> meekrat: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LikewiseOpen
[14:01] <meekrat> hateball: That's 3rd party?
[14:02] <meekrat> hateball: and it looks to be not activly maintained
[14:02] <meekrat> Is this still preferred? https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/samba-ad-integration.html
[14:03] <hateball> meekrat: hmm yes it does look abandoned. my bad for going off memory
[14:04] <meekrat> No problem....just trying to see if something out of the box or actively supported (and/or stable) exists
[14:20] <RoyK> meekrat: isn't sssd the preferred nowadays? or is that just on rhel/centos?
[14:21] <meekrat> RoyK: don't know. I'mm going throught the Samba Winbind docs not - just doing it like old school days back in 1999....I'm just creating a linux member server to an existing windows domain
[14:21] <meekrat> Crossing fingers it'll work.
[14:40] <RoyK> meekrat: it will
[14:41] <RoyK> meekrat: using AD?
[14:44] <zolder> royk you learn everyday :P
[14:49] <davidic654> more rebbots I see
[14:49] <davidic654> reboots
[14:49] <RoyK> more rabbits
[14:49] <davidic654> when will Ubuntu stop the need to reboot twice a week
[14:50] <davidic654> my deb servers are like every 3 motnhs
[14:50] <davidic654> months
[14:50] <RoyK> which version of ubuntu?
[14:51] <davidic654> 12.04 and 14.04
[14:51] <RoyK> davidic654: ubuntu usually requests restarts after kernel or libc is updated
[14:51] <RoyK> davidic654: with 4.x kernels, automatic kernel upgrades will be dynamic (when that work's done), so you won't need a reboot
[14:51] <davidic654> any way around these frequent reboots, I manage upto 50 servers and its a pain
[14:51] <davidic654> ty
[14:52] <RoyK> but for libc, you'll need to restart most processes (or all) meaning a reboot is easier
[14:53] <davidic654> less reboots is a great selling point I would have thought
[14:53] <RoyK> davidic654: even if ubuntu requests a reboot, check /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs
[14:53] <davidic654> ty
[14:53] <davidic654> less reboots and a great EOL and its a winner :)
[14:54] <RoyK> seems my old 12.04 server has a bunch of new kernels :P
[14:54] <davidic654> :)
[14:55] <pmatulis> meekrat: https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/sssd-ad.html
[14:55] <RoyK> I'm also waiting for this http://www.zdnet.com/article/no-reboot-patching-comes-to-linux-4-0/
[14:56] <RoyK> pmatulis: it works without sssd too
[14:56] <davidic654> yeah its an obvious issue they are looking at
[14:56] <davidic654> ty for that RoyK
[14:57] <davidic654> less than ever ;)
[14:57] <davidic654> its like twice a week with Ubuntu at the mo
[14:58] <davidic654> One reason to love Linux on your servers or in your data-center is that you so seldom needed to reboot it :) Really
[14:59] <davidic654> I like Ubuntu because of its great EOL and compatibility with the CP I use for clients, but sod these frequent reboots, hope all improves soon
[15:01] <davidic654> apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get autoreove apt-get autoclean reboot, story of my life at the moment :)
[15:01] <davidic654> autoremove
[15:02] <davidic654> the 5 commandments :)
[15:04] <davidic654> see you sorted the grub timeout issue with headless servers, well done
[15:06] <davidic654> just in libxml2 vulnerabilities, needs reboot, geeeeez
[15:06] <davidic654> 3 hours of my life gone tomorrow
[15:09] <mdeslaur> davidic654: there's nothing special about ubuntu that would require more reboots than any other linux distro
[15:10] <mdeslaur> davidic654: it's pretty much only kernel updates
[15:10] <davidic654> I use Debian and Ubuntu but Ubuntu reboots are over the top
[15:10] <davidic654> Ubuntu has a lot more kernel updates
[15:11] <mdeslaur> davidic654: if you're fine with waiting three months between kernel updates, then just reboot every three months
[15:11] <mdeslaur> davidic654: we publish kernel updates pretty much every three weeks
[15:12] <davidic654> actually can I ask a Q I have a few servers with hetzner and I never have a kernel update just the dev part is that normal?
[15:12] <davidic654> they running a special kernel or something
[15:12] <mdeslaur> debian does a kernel update every 4-6- weeks
[15:13] <davidic654> I mean for security reasons, so and so found tthat etc
[15:13] <mdeslaur> davidic654: sorry, don't know anything about hetzner
[15:14] <davidic654> all my kernel updates are because of security
[15:14] <davidic654> so and so found etc
[15:15] <mdeslaur> so ubuntu only has about 1.5 more kernel updates than debian
[15:15] <davidic654> I guess the expoits are very sophisticated but I like to keep servers secure
[15:15] <davidic654> exploits
[15:15] <davidic654> maybe I worry too much
[15:17] <davidic654> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/
[15:18] <davidic654> looks like they are looking at the issue anyway
[15:31] <jpds> davidic654: Looking into the issue?
[15:31] <davidic654> the new kernel
[15:32] <davidic654> I think reboots are annoying a lot of people
[15:32] <jpds> You know that you don't HAVE to reboot when you get a new kernel?
[15:32] <davidic654> for security issues?
[15:32] <jpds> No
[15:32] <jpds> You can look at the changelog and see what exactly has changed
[15:33] <RoyK> davidic654: use && between them
[15:33] <davidic654> why does Ubuntu say that you have to reboot for the changes to take effect
[15:33] <jpds> If all that's changed is that some kernel module that you never use, you don't need to reboot
[15:34] <RoyK> davidic654: libc changes makes you have to restart all processes - kernel changes makes a reboot needed unless you use some hotpatching thing
[15:35] <davidic654> its always a security thing tho
[15:35] <davidic654> hangon
[15:35] <RoyK> davidic654: mostly "reboot required" only means "it would be nice for a reboot because some things may have changed"
[15:36] <davidic654> ok
[15:36] <RoyK> davidic654: https://xkcd.com/1328/
[15:37] <RoyK> davidic654: see the mouseover ;)
[15:37] <davidic654> USN-2803-1: Linux kernel vulnerability is specifically for KVM hypervisor for eg, so you only need to update the kernel if running that
[15:38] <jpds> davidic654: Exactly
[15:38] <davidic654> got it
[15:38] <davidic654> geez now I can go on holiday :)
[15:39] <RoyK> davidic654: you'll get an email tomorrow that a new critical fix is on the way :D
[15:39] <davidic654> maybe Ubuntu should say if its a core file or something??
[15:42] <jpds> davidic654: Define core file
[15:42] <davidic654> minimal install?
[15:42] <jpds> davidic654: The whole kernel's part of the minimum install
[15:42] <davidic654> I just run webservers
[15:43] <davidic654> I think I may have been rebooting for things not on my servers maybe
[15:43] <davidic654> so maybe my fault
[15:43] <jpds> davidic654: Some obscure kernel module that it's used by a network card may be core for someone, but maybe not for me and you
[15:45] <davidic654> thanks all for the input :)
[15:57] <rickbeldin> caribou_: You around for a quick question?
[15:57] <caribou_> rickbeldin: hey sure
[15:59] <eneko> hi ubuntu-server team, got an apache2 conf question
[15:59] <davidic654> fire away
[15:59] <eneko> thanks!
[16:00] <rickbeldin> caribou_: see private chat.
[16:02] <eneko> i have two DNSs that point to the same ubuntu 14.04/apache.2.4 server. Lets say http://example1.com and http://example2.com resolve to this one ubuntu box. My ubuntu server has only one server (a LAMP running Drupal). One of the addresses resolves in miliseconds ($time curl example1.com) and the other in 9seconds. What could be at play? Im the authoritative for one of the DNS, and Network Solutions is the other (for example2.co
[16:03] <eneko> My apache conf includes the directives in 000-default.conf, which I tried w/o ServerName and ServerAlias, but I also tried with both directives, no difference
[16:04] <rbasak> cpaelzer: join #ubuntu-meeting for the server team meeting please?
[16:05] <cpaelzer> rbasak - busy with jgrimm joining
[16:05] <cpaelzer> rbasak - thanks for notifying
[16:39] <smoser> anyone want to help ?
[16:39] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13314598/
[16:39] <smoser> Odd_Bloke is often helpful for me in such situations.
[16:42] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: https://docs.python.org/3/library/functools.html#functools.lru_cache ?
[16:42] <Odd_Bloke> Py3-only; I'm sure I've seen a Py2 one somewhere.
[16:44] <smoser> huh. thats neat.
[16:44] <smoser> but what am i doing wrong... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6268278/modifying-global-variables-in-python-unittest-framework seems to say it should work
[16:44] <smoser> is mock getting in my way ?
[16:47] <jamespage> coreycb, do I remember correctly that it was planned to update the python version in 14.04?
[16:54] <coreycb> jamespage, hmm?
[16:55] <game0> guys, I'm not able to use apt-get in my server
[16:57] <game0> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[16:57] <coreycb> smoser, don't you need to declare 'global __lsb_release' before being able to write to it in test_expected()?
[16:57] <game0> this is the message that I'm recieving
[16:57] <game0> how can I solve this problem
[16:57] <game0> ?
[16:58] <smoser> coreycb, well i'm trying to write to it via its module namespace.
[16:58] <smoser> shoudlnt that work?
[16:58] <jamespage> coreycb, we did some fixes in openstack to support python 2.7.9 which I think got backported right?
[16:59] <coreycb> smoser, I'm not positive but I thought you had to do it the same way you do in reset_lsb()
[17:01] <coreycb> jamespage, are your referring to bug 1403068?
[17:02] <jamespage> coreycb, yeah that's the one - lemme check with doko
[17:05] <coreycb> jamespage, bug 1434575
[17:06] <jamespage> coreycb, right
[17:06] <jamespage> coreycb, this is the one causing zul and i headaches right now:
[17:06] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.7/+bug/1443704
[17:07] <zul> jamespage: we can probably get a newer version placed in backports maybe?
[17:10] <coreycb> jamespage, yuck, but yeah maybe the python upgrade would fix it
[17:29] <smoser> coreycb, well, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1301346/the-meaning-of-a-single-and-a-double-underscore-before-an-object-name-in-python
[17:29] <smoser> thats what it is.
[17:29] <smoser> the __ makes was causing name mangling.
[17:32] <SCHAAP137> what is preferable: sudo reboot, or sudo shutdown -r now ?
[17:32] <SCHAAP137> or is it exactly the same?
[17:33] <smoser> SCHAAP137, there might be some difference, but i'm not aware of one.
[17:33] <TJ-> reboot is often a symlink
[17:33] <TJ-> depends on the init-system as to what it links to
[17:34] <coreycb> smoser, ah good to know, thanks
[17:35] <davidic654> reboot is a very popular command these days ;)
[17:35] <smoser> coreycb, http://paste.ubuntu.com/13315248/
[17:35] <SCHAAP137> cool, thanks smoser, TJ-
[17:36] <TJ-> reboot should be a symlink to /bin/true :)
[17:36] <SCHAAP137> i just saw the same question appear in #openbsd, and i curiously thought, would it make a difference in Ubuntu?
[18:27] <SCHAAP137> i have an issue with nginx. When nginx starts during the boot process, not all of my IPv6 addresses are up yet. How can I make it start later in the boot process?
[18:32] <SCHAAP137> my workaround now is to kill nginx and restart the service manually, after boot is completed
[18:32] <sarnold> SCHAAP137: you can use an .override file for the upstart configuration to change the 'start on' line; you'd need to make sure that the service that sets up the ipv6 addresses emits a signal of some sort, or you 'manually' emit the signal yoursellf, see http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#ordering and some of the following sections for a better sketch of this
[18:33] <SCHAAP137> cool, i will read that, thanks sarnold
[18:33] <SCHAAP137> i'm just using /etc/network/interfaces to set up the addresses
[18:34] <sarnold> hmm, it feels like that should work better :/
[18:34] <sarnold> teward: around? :) ^^^
[18:36] <SCHAAP137> i'm assigning one address statically, and use 'up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 inet6 add [addr]' twice within that same block, for adding a few extra ones
[18:36] <SCHAAP137> the nginx error is about one of those
[18:39] <sarnold> yeah, I'd expect that to work, hehe :)
[18:39] <SCHAAP137> yeh me too
[18:39] <sarnold> granted, there's funny delays with ipv6, DAD and all
[18:41] <SCHAAP137> now i got that wacky workaround in my /etc/rc.local, which is not pretty ;P
[18:41] <sarnold> indeed, no :)
[18:41] <SCHAAP137> restarting ssh service from there as well, because tun0 and tun1 aren't up yet when ssh starts
[18:41] <sarnold> a better workaround, if a proper fix is just too hard to get working, is to use the 'manual' method of starting it, and then keep your /etc/rc.local change to -start- nginx, rather than restarting it :) that at least saves a useless start and stop
[18:42] <sarnold> e.g. http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#override-files
[18:42] <SCHAAP137> hmm, clever thinking... i should do it like that indeed
[20:37] <jetsaredim> does anyone in here know how to fix a broken systemd?
[20:37] <jetsaredim> I recently upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04 (on the way to 15.10) and when I rebooted the system just hangs on "systemd[1]: Freezing execution"
[20:44] <antix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1446699
[20:44] <antix> jetsaredim: ^
[20:45] <antix> I don't know if that's relevant
[20:51] <jetsaredim> i don't know if i have maas installed
[20:51] <jetsaredim> i actually commented on that bug (the last comment)
[20:53] <jetsaredim> according to the description of maas, it seems like some sort of cluster provisioning front-end and I certainly don't have that sort of environment
[20:54] <jetsaredim> the issue I have is that I can't even boot the system to attempt any fixes
[20:55] <sarnold> if you can't get the "single" or "rescue" things to work, you can always boot with init=/bin/bash
[21:04] <jetsaredim> it's not really even clear from that bug report what I'd need to fix
[21:19] <jetsaredim> sarnold: looks like maybe the real bug is...
[21:19] <jetsaredim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1491658
[21:20] <sarnold> jetsaredim: yikes, if that message is correct that's _really_ annoyuing
[21:20] <sarnold> jetsaredim: .. fedora pulled kdbus entirely the other day so the authors could work on it further
[21:20] <sarnold> jetsaredim: head into #ubuntu-devel and poke pitti with that bug number -- unforutnately it'll be a few huors before pitti's around but this feels like it needs his input
[21:21] <jetsaredim> fun times
[22:11] <jetsaredim> sarnold: I see what part of the issue is... I have an mdadm device listed in my fstab file without "nofail" and it seems to not be correctly starting the device on boot
[22:11] <jetsaredim> I have to go in and manually update it
[23:48] <teward> sarnold: ping
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[06:25] <crismblog> `neața
[17:45] <Guest8481> ikonia:
[17:51] <dragos> ikonia:
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[03:13] <kgunn> robru: argg...for tomorrow, i think i'm gonna need that qtmir ppa force merged after all
[04:30] <robru> kgunn: want me to merge it now? or tomorrow?
[08:23] <jibel> dbarth__, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/591 is approved, you can publish unless there is something blocking it
[08:51] <dbarth__> jibel: ack
[09:48] <mzanetti> cihelp, hey, I'm getting 404 when I click on Jenkins links in MPs since yesterday evening. example: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-xenial-touch/131/console
[09:50] <psivaa> mzanetti: due to a jenkins upgrade last week, publishing to jenkins.qa.u.c from s-jenkins,ubuntu-ci:8080 is disabled for the time being until IS does some maintenance activities.
[09:50] <psivaa> mzanetti: you should be able to access http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/generic-deb-autopilot-xenial-touch/131/console if you're in company VPN
[10:54] <alan_g> cihelp I see an error on https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/fix-1463873/+merge/277552/comments/702616 that I get a 404 for: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-mediumtests-builder-vivid-armhf/4834/console. Possibly related: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-mediumtests-builder-vivid-armhf/ stops on the 12th.
[10:55] <psivaa> alan_g: looking
[10:56] <alf_> psivaa: alan_g: Note that all our jobs fail to get published to the public servers and there is a related error in s-jenkins, e.g., http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/mir-autolanding/2126/
[11:12] <nerochiaro> cihelp: I am trying to access job/webbrowser-app-vivid-amd64-ci/1173/console via http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/ via the VPN, but i get a page saying the job is not there. am i missing something ?
[11:15] <psivaa> alan_g: alf_ : sorry for the delay. Yes, jobs are not published to publish jenkins waiting for a fix to land in jenkins.qa.u.c
[11:15] <psivaa> alan_g: alf_: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/mir-mediumtests-builder-vivid-armhf/4834/console should have the information that you may be interested
[11:17] <psivaa> nerochiaro: Build 1173 looks a little too old that it has been pruned. http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/webbrowser-app-vivid-amd64-ci/
[11:18] <psivaa> the earliest one we have is 1181
[11:19] <nerochiaro> psivaa: can i request a rebuild of https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/use-qml-SortFilterModel/+merge/273203 ?
[11:19] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I can do that
[11:20] <nerochiaro> cool
[11:23] <oSoMoN_> nerochiaro, building: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/webbrowser-app-ci/2473/
[11:27] <oSoMoN_> ubuntu-qa: what’s up with the autopkg tests for qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu and unity8 for the proposed migration? they have been marked as "test in progress" for the migration of webbrowser-app for almost a day now (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#webbrowser-app)
[11:51] <xavigarcia> sil2100: ping
[11:52] <sil2100> xavigarcia: pong
[11:53] <xavigarcia> sil2100: Hi! so silo 000 is the one containing the new project I asked you about
[11:53] <xavigarcia> sil2100: it should be ready to go
[11:53] <xavigarcia> sil2100: it does no need QA as it's just a library to build integration tests
[11:53] <sil2100> Let me take a quick look at it in a moment
[11:53] <sil2100> Yeah, I suppose that should be good
[11:54] <xavigarcia> sil2100: I guess somebody should review all the packaging stuff
[11:54] <xavigarcia> sil2100: ok, thanks!
[11:59] <mardy> trainguards, has silo 1 landed successfully, or how is its state? The changes are not in trunk
[12:29] <Mirv> mardy: queuebot answered you 2 mins later, still in proposed
[12:30] <Mirv> mardy: it's always several hours minimum now that we land to real archives so that we don't skip proposed tests
[12:30] <Mirv> the dual landing to PPA only was an exception that skipped a lot of our test infrastructure
[12:31] <mardy> Mirv: ok, thanks
[12:36] <sil2100> xavigarcia: hey, just a quick question about silo 000
[12:36] <sil2100> xavigarcia: I see that the merge from silo 000 has another branch as a prerequisite, but that branch is not in the silo
[12:37] <sil2100> xavigarcia: (talking about https://code.launchpad.net/~xavi-garcia-mena/gmenuharness/update-changelog/+merge/277441 )
[12:37] <sil2100> xavigarcia: shouldn't that merge be also included in the silo?
[12:46] <seb128> cihelp, what's the deal with https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/camera-app/red-delete-button/+merge/277668/comments/702629 ?
[12:46] <seb128> "Problem accessing /job/camera-app-vivid-armhf-ci/149/console. Reason: "
[12:46] <seb128> " Not Found"
[12:51] <psivaa> seb128: please use s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/camera-app-vivid-armhf-ci/149/console until IS sorts out publishing issue
[12:53] <seb128> psivaa, k, thanks, shouldn't that be announced somewhere?
[12:54] <seb128> also shouldn't the CI use what is in the vivid-overlay?
[12:54] <seb128> it doesn't find the 1.3 toolkit there...
[12:54] <psivaa> seb128: Agree, we should announce. Will do that in a bit
[12:54] <seb128> thanks
[12:57] <seb128> psivaa, saw my overlay use question as well?
[12:58] <psivaa> seb128: yea, looking into it
[12:58] <seb128> thanks
[13:01] <psivaa> seb128: https://trello.com/c/x8VCBKzk/865-vanguard-camera-app-not-using-vivid-overlay has been created. One of us will attend as soon as possible
[13:04] <seb128> psivaa, thanks
[13:04] <seb128> Kaleo, ^ just fyi, unsure if you still work on camera and if that's something you noticed
[13:07] <Kaleo> seb128, I still work on the camera
[13:07] <Kaleo> seb128, thanks
[13:07] <seb128> Kaleo, yw ;-)
[13:08] <pete-woods> sil2100: I fixed xavigarcia_lunch's missing MR from the silo
[13:08] <pete-woods> sil2100: the packaging is very standard apart from one thing
[13:08] <sil2100> pete-woods: you'll need to rebuild now, right?
[13:08] <pete-woods> sil2100: I guess that's techinically true
[13:08] <pete-woods> even if the result will be identical
[13:08] * pete-woods hits rebuild
[13:09] <pete-woods> sil2100: the special part of the packaging, btw, is to handle the ABI changes in xenial without separate branches
[13:09] <seb128> Kaleo, btw https://code.launchpad.net/camera-app/+activereviews has some things waiting for 1.5 years for review, maybe would be good to clean those out
[13:09] <pete-woods> we switch based on the distro name, and use a separate symbols file for each
[13:09] <pete-woods> sil2100: (https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/gmenuharness/distro-specific-symbols-files/+merge/277663)
[13:32] <pete-woods> :) packages rebuilt ^ sil2100
[13:33] <pete-woods> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/gmenuharness/distro-specific-symbols-files/files/head:/debian/ <- debian dir for packaging review
[13:52] <kgunn> greyback_: is it ok to get robru to force merge that qtmir in silo 49 ?
[13:53] <greyback_> kgunn: it is if robru says so :)
[13:53] <kgunn> long story...kdub's gotta fix in mir that richard needs, but in silo it builds against the old
[13:53] <kgunn> cool
[14:39] <kgunn> sil2100: you about ?
[14:39] <sil2100> kgunn: hey, yeah
[14:40] <kgunn> sil2100: hey, i was pestering rob but he was on late...so any way you could force merge silo 49 for us ?
[14:40] <kgunn> sutck in proposed
[14:40] <kgunn> and now hampering another bug fix in a seperate silo
[14:41] <sil2100> kgunn: yeah, ok, will do that as the migration problem is unrelated to mir
[14:45] <sil2100> kgunn: done
[14:48] <jibel> tvoss, mardy silo 57 approved
[14:50] <kgunn> ta
[15:02] <seb128> jibel, bzoltan, pmcgowan, what's the status of the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1512924 ? are we going to get that in ota8 (+ translators doing their job + langpack updates)?
[15:05] <sil2100> xavigarcia, pete-woods: ok, package looks okayish from my POV, although I always feel a bit meh with all the scripts to support two different distros
[15:05] <sil2100> xavigarcia, pete-woods: but in this case it seems not so invasive anyway
[15:05] <sil2100> xavigarcia, pete-woods: that being said... I would like someone from the archive admin team to take a look before I publish, as my button press will result in an instant copy to the overlay
[15:05] <sil2100> So I want a preNEW review first
[15:05] <sil2100> seb128: ping :)
[15:05] <seb128> sil2100, contentless ping warning
[15:06] <seb128> I was also just talking so you know I'm around ;-)
[15:06] <seb128> what's the package to review?
[15:06] <sil2100> seb128: uh oh, apologies! Anyway, we'd need a preNEW review of silo https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/650
[15:07] <seb128> k
[15:07] <sil2100> seb128: a new one, libgmenuharness
[15:07] <seb128> yetanothergmenulib?! ;-)
[15:07] <sil2100> xavigarcia, pete-woods: one remark I have though... why is the source name different from the LP project name?
[15:07] <jibel> seb128, status is moved to OTA9
[15:07] <sil2100> I mean, it's not a blocker, but when a project is hosted on LP it's much easier as both are the same
[15:07] <seb128> jibel, that's a joke?
[15:08] <jibel> seb128, why?
[15:08] <seb128> jibel, how come we can't land a template update in 15 days and then need to rollout an ota with obvious UI part untranslated?
[15:08] <xavigarcia> sil2100: there is no reason
[15:08] <seb128> it's like timestamp in the messaging indicators
[15:08] <seb128> difficult to do more visible
[15:09] <xavigarcia> sil2100: I just created the project like that and I kept it... I know what you mean... but we thought it was OK
[15:09] <pmcgowan> seb128, once we have a fix we will consider releasing it early, want to get input from folks
[15:09] <seb128> pmcgowan, you are speaking about what? the utik translation issue?
[15:09] <pmcgowan> yes
[15:10] <pmcgowan> the timestamps thing
[15:10] <seb128> we have a fix commited since 2015-11-05
[15:10] <seb128> see https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/kickLocaleTemplate/+merge/276733
[15:10] <seb128> it seems it just didn't make it an upload since
[15:10] <pmcgowan> hmm thats bad
[15:10] <seb128> unsure why, I though jibel was pushing bzoltan to have an hotfix landing for that
[15:10] <seb128> rather than a full uitk update
[15:11] <seb128> also it doesn't even need an upload
[15:11] <seb128> it needs the new template to be commited which can be done manually
[15:11] <pmcgowan> seb128, actually I just discovered that yesterday and spoke to bz about it
[15:12] <pmcgowan> seb128, it can be fixed without landing uitk?
[15:12] <seb128> pmcgowan, well, that's a translation template
[15:12] <seb128> some project just commit the pot updates directly to trunk
[15:12] <seb128> to bypass the upload delays
[15:13] <seb128> but then it needs translator work and a langpack update
[15:13] <seb128> so unsure it's pratical for ota8 now
[15:13] <pmcgowan> I see
[15:13] <seb128> I just don't get why it stalling since 11-05
[15:14] <seb128> it was even on the ww46-2015 list
[15:24] <pete-woods> sil2100: it's a good question
[15:25] <pete-woods> we should probably change it to gmenuharness everwhere
[15:25] <pete-woods> xavigarcia: it's only the source package name that needs changing
[15:36] <seb128> pmcgowan, can we at least get somebody from the uitk to commit the template update so translators can do their work and we can see in maybe updating some langpacks if there is a window for that?
[15:39] <pmcgowan> seb128, sure it needs to go from staging to trunk?
[15:39] <seb128> pmcgowan, yes
[15:39] <pete-woods> sil2100: I have added a branch to the MR that fixes the source package name
[15:39] <pete-woods> but I'm not quite sure how to rebuild it
[15:39] <sil2100> pete-woods: \o/ if you added a new branch to the silo then just press build on the silo
[15:40] <sil2100> pete-woods: we'll remove the old binaries
[15:40] <sil2100> binaries/sources
[15:47] <pete-woods> sil2100: it won't rebuilt with an empty list of packages
[15:47] <pete-woods> and building with libgmenuharness didn't seem to do anything
[15:47] <pete-woods> trying gmenuharness now
[15:48] <pete-woods> that didn't work either
[15:48] <pete-woods> sil2100 ^ see build errors
[15:48] <pete-woods> might be easier to make a new silo?
[15:49] <pete-woods> and bin this one
[15:51] <pete-woods> edited a line of the train config
[15:51] <pete-woods> maybe that was is..
[15:51] <pete-woods> *it
[15:51] <sil2100> pete-woods: maybe, did you try force-rebuild?
[15:51] <pete-woods> no
[15:51] <pete-woods> it's getting further now
[15:52] <pete-woods> but it doesn't seem to have built the source package in the build log
[15:52] <pete-woods> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-000-1-build/556/console
[15:52] <pete-woods> it's just trying to wait on it
[15:52] <pete-woods> which is obviously not going to work
[15:59] <pete-woods> right, nuking the silo
[15:59] <pete-woods> it's not worth messing around
[16:25] <pete-woods> sil2100: it's obviously getting upset
[16:25] <pete-woods> I tried a new silo
[16:26] <pete-woods> (ended up with 000 again)
[16:26] <pete-woods> and it is still half looking for libgmenuharness
[16:26] <pete-woods> I don't know where it's getting this info from, though
[16:26] <pete-woods> as the source package is definitely just gmenuharness
[16:43] <rvr> kenvandine: Silo 24 approved
[16:44] <kenvandine> rvr, thx!
[16:49] <pete-woods> (see https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-000-1-build/557/console)
[16:57] <pete-woods> robru: I seem to have upset citrain ^ we decided to rename a source package before first release, and citrain seems to have remembered the old value somehow?
[17:04] <seb128> pete-woods, the descriptions are not very useful is you don't know what "GMenu harness" is (why I don't, still trying to guess what that component does)
[17:05] <seb128> pete-woods, sil2100, otherwise packaging seems fine to me
[17:05] <pete-woods> seb128: it's a test harness for things that expose gmenu models
[17:05] <pete-woods> in particular, indicators
[17:05] <seb128> you might want to write a few liner description saying that
[17:05] <pete-woods> I wrote it to finally add tests to indicator-network
[17:06] <pete-woods> and it's going to be used for indicator-sound
[17:09] <pete-woods> seb128: thanks for looking over the packaging, by the way :)
[17:10] <seb128> pete-woods, yw!
[17:10] <renatu> cihelp, I am getting 'Unsupported device, autodetect fails device' on jenkins build: http://s-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-touch/4125/console
[17:44] <robru> pete-woods: yes the source package name lookup is very slow so there's a disk cache, I'll clear it in a moment
[17:53] <nerochiaro> cihelp: anyone has any ideas why this fails to build in ci ? https://code.launchpad.net/~uriboni/messaging-app/stickers/+merge/277446 doesn't seem like a problem with the code
[18:23] <fginther> nerochiaro, indeed that MP was impacted by an issue related to the recent upgrade. I've restarted the job
[18:24] <nerochiaro> fginther: thanks
[18:24] <nerochiaro> bfiller: ^
[21:22] <dobey> trainguards: what does this error mean exactly? https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-049-1-build/55/console
[21:24] <robru> dobey: "native" versioning means that the version number has "-NubuntuN" in it or not, it looks like the "-0" is missing from that version string
[21:25] <dobey> native means it doesn't have it
[21:25] <dobey> which is correct
[21:25] <robru> dobey: the "-gcc" madness it non native due to the dash
[21:25] <dobey> robru: that's not a dash
[21:26] <dobey> it's a tilde
[21:26] <robru> dobey: s/madness/makes/
[21:26] <robru> dobey: sorry I'm on mobile
[21:26] <dobey> madness might be correct here :)
[21:26] <dobey> ok
[21:27] <dobey> how do i see what version number the tool is generating, in the log?
[21:27] <robru> dobey: 2015-11-17 21:09:14,343 WARNING Created tag 15.11+16.04.20151117-0ubuntu1.
[21:27] <dobey> i guess this is a bug in the cupstream2distro script?
[21:27] <dobey> ah
[21:27] <dobey> yes that is wrong
[21:28] <dobey> hrmm
[21:28] <robru> dobey: the version logic hasn't changed in a long time
[21:28] <robru> dobey: perhaps you changed something that triggered a different code path
[21:29] <dobey> i'll try to specify a complete version in changelog and see what happens
[21:29] <robru> dobey: no
[21:29] <robru> dobey: hang on let me look
[21:32] <robru> dobey: weird, there are tests to ensure that if the version doesn't start with -0ubuntu1 that it doesn't add that incorrectly http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro/trunk/view/head:/tests/unit/test_version.py#L152
[21:33] <robru> dobey: yeah I guess try the full version, not sure what's going on there
[21:34] <robru> dobey: oh, just looked at your last commit, yeah
[21:35] <dobey> yeah, full version seems to work
[21:35] <dobey> Created tag 15.11+16.04.20151117.1.
[21:36] <dobey> i guess the gcc5.1 manual upload version exposed a bug
[21:53] <robru> dobey: no, if you put in a version that doesn't have a +, the train generates "+16.04.YYYYMMDD-0ubuntu1". if you want the native version you have to start with a native version that has a + in it
[21:54] <dobey> robru: that part is fine. i tried the "15.11" by itself, because i got the error without tweaking the changelog
[21:55] <robru> ugh
[21:56] <dobey> robru: anyway, worked around. i'll poke at it more later
[21:56] <dobey> thanks :)
[21:56] <robru> dobey: you're welcome
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[05:58] <napsy_> jutro
[06:45] <slax0r> jutro
[09:36] <CrazyLemon> http://www.arnes.si/obvestila/obvestilo/article/se-lazje-do-brezplacne-si-domene-na-arnesu.html
[09:36] <Pepelka> Še lažje do brezplačne .si domene na Arnesu: Arnes
[09:36] <Pepelka> »Akademska in raziskovalna mreža Slovenije - Arnes je javni zavod, ki zagotavlja omrežne storitve organizacijam s področja raziskovanja, izobraževanja in kulture ter omogoča njihovo povezovanje in sodelovanje med seboj in s sorodnimi organizacijami v tujini«
[09:44] <zdobersek> SERJ
[09:44] <zdobersek> .rt
[09:44] <jabuk> Trenutno se predvaja: serjtankian - Empty Walls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CxKA1uETxE
[09:44] <zdobersek> .yt axel foley serge
[09:44] <jabuk> Beverly Hills Cop: Axel Meets Serge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp5ZEOf1ugg
[09:49] <idioterna> the ahmed foley scene?
[09:49] <zdobersek> achwel
[10:33] <anny_> dan
[10:33] <slax0r> jutro
[10:33] <anny_> o!
[10:33] <napsy_> dan
[10:34] <anny_> kaj dogaja?
[10:34] <speed-> jutro...
[10:35] <anny_> smo že sredi dneva :)
[10:35] <idioterna> mnja
[10:35] <speed-> pa to glih hocem povedat
[10:35] <speed-> sicer jaz mislim da me caka popoldanske spanec danes
[10:35] <anny_> prehitela sem te! :P
[10:36] <speed-> pol 4 sel spat pa ob 7 so me ze gnjavili:)
[10:36] <anny_> :/
[10:36] <idioterna> ja kaj si pa delu do takrat
[10:36] <anny_> damn
[10:36] <speed-> ej delam
[10:36] <speed-> neko stvar :)
[10:36] <idioterna> otroka?
[10:36] <speed-> ne lol
[10:36] <idioterna> ja pa bi mogu
[10:36] <speed-> ja to bi ziher mogel
[10:36] <slax0r> UGT fucker :P
[10:36] <yang> takrat je najboljsi program po tv
[10:36] <anny_> otroka ni delal do pol štirih...anny ve
[10:36] <idioterna> zdej k nas bojo preplavili muslimani
[10:36] <slax0r> fuckers*
[10:37] <idioterna> je edina resitev da vsi nardite otroke
[10:37] <idioterna> cimprej.
[10:37] <speed-> http://qpainter.com/app
[10:37] <speed-> to delam :)
[10:37] <Pepelka> QPainter - Aplikacija
[10:37] <speed-> en svg edit pa malo predelujem
[10:37] <idioterna> kr nice
[10:37] <yang> zakaj, zdej bodo oni tok otrok pripeljali da ne bo vec potrebe po delanju otrok
[10:37] <speed-> pa sem cist notri padel zdaj ze par dni
[10:38] <idioterna> speed-: ja kudos
[10:38] <idioterna> imo bl pomembn k delat otroke, sam js nism mainstream :)
[10:38] <anny_> o wow
[10:38] <anny_> idioterna, ti si jih že naredil
[10:38] <idioterna> ja
[10:38] <slax0r> I've done my part too
[10:39] <idioterna> dva, kot je predpisal hans rosling :)
[10:39] <zdobersek> a sta kristjana?
[10:39] <anny_> k da ti slediš kkšnim predpisom
[10:39] <idioterna> nista
[10:39] <yang> zena ga ma tok rada, da ga je dala kastrirat
[10:39] <idioterna> bosta k odrasteta
[10:39] <zdobersek> not worth it then
[10:39] <idioterna> ce bosta hotla
[10:39] <idioterna> anny_: valda da jim
[10:39] <idioterna> recimo zakon gravitacije vedno upostevam
[10:39] <anny_> aha
[10:39] <speed-> to si se zdaj zlagal
[10:39] <anny_> to smo meli na tedx
[10:40] <anny_> sila gravitacije
[10:40] <anny_> nategne te od nog do glave, ampak tko da ne čutiš
[10:40] <speed-> gravicatija vedno je, ampak vmes se malo pozabi na njo :)
[10:40] <zdobersek> gravitacija je sam teorija
[10:40] <speed-> gravitacija*
[10:40] <idioterna> kdaj se pozabi
[10:40] <yang> anny kdaj si se prijavla za tedx, jaz sem se kaksen teden dni kasneje pa ni bilo vec kart
[10:40] <anny_> yang loool
[10:40] <speed-> ko se prevec spije oz. vnese kar koli drugega
[10:41] <anny_> kart je zmankalo v 30 sekundah imo še prej
[10:41] <idioterna> js sem se dal kastrirat ker sm nasprotoval hormonski kontracepciji
[10:41] <anny_> če nisi kliknil tisto sekundo si ostal brez
[10:41] <idioterna> no, v resnici nism kastriran
[10:41] <slax0r> speed-: v cem to delas? html5?
[10:41] <idioterna> k se vedno mam vse zleze
[10:41] <speed-> slax0r pa vzel sem en svg editor
[10:41] <yang> pa so sploh kaj pametnega povedal sem vidu da so bli sam neki slovenski govorci
[10:42] <idioterna> ja
[10:42] <anny_> k da slovenci nimajo kaj povedat
[10:42] <idioterna> slovenski govorci nimajo nc
[10:42] <speed-> slax0r pa ga rihtam za svoje potrebe :)
[10:42] <anny_> niso bili
[10:42] <slax0r> aja :)
[10:42] <idioterna> pametnga za povedat
[10:42] <speed-> slax0r eh si nor, to z nule delat
[10:42] <anny_> en je bil iz danske in tisti ni nič res novega povedal
[10:42] <slax0r> speed-: 2-3h max
[10:42] <slax0r> :P
[10:42] <speed-> hehe ja
[10:42] <anny_> imajo en model ala naše ljudske univerze
[10:42] <speed-> samo dela tudi te tak :)
[10:43] <speed-> slax0r taksi je bil plan pred par leti pa vidis kak se je koncalo brez rezultatov :
[10:43] <anny_> zdaj pa resno
[10:43] <yang> bos odprla s,p. pa zacela z neko inovativno idejo ?
[10:43] <anny_> yang, že delam z inovativnimi idejami
[10:43] <anny_> no v glavnem
[10:43] <slax0r> speed-: saj bo ;)
[10:44] <speed-> slax0r itak
[10:44] <anny_> ženska oseba - ena od 4 z linuxom v sloveniji - mi je prinesla komp s to težavo
[10:44] <speed-> ce drugo ne zdaj ze vem kak tocno to funkcionira :)
[10:44] <anny_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2229307
[10:44] <Pepelka> [SOLVED] Ubuntu 14.04 not booting (Alert, dropping to shell (initramfs))
[10:44] <Pepelka> »Hello Ladies & Gents, Found myself in a soggy quagmire, I wonder if anyone would be kind enough to throw me a line? My Ubuntu 14.04 64bit system has been working perfectly well until yesterday morning when I tried to boot it up and these lines of horror greeted me.. Gave up waiting for root device. Common problems: - Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline) - Check rootdelay= (did the system wait long enough?)«
[10:44] <idioterna> hja
[10:45] <idioterna> dmesg
[10:45] <dz0ny> naah sam razdelek nima vec istega idja
[10:45] <anny_> kaj je najbolje narest
[10:45] <idioterna> kko se pa to zgodi
[10:45] <dz0ny> anny_: pozel live usb
[10:45] <anny_> ja, to sem razbrala iz teme
[10:45] <dz0ny> namesti bootrepair
[10:45] <idioterna> ce ma lvm najbols
[10:45] <dz0ny> in pozen
[10:45] <idioterna> lvm vgchange -ay
[10:45] <dz0ny> bo sam popravil
[10:46] <anny_> *dela zapiske*
[10:46] <dz0ny> idioterna: this is not redhat derivate
[10:46] <dz0ny> anny_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[10:46] <Pepelka> Boot-Repair - Community Help Wiki
[10:46] <idioterna> pa ma vseen lvm po defaultu
[10:46] <idioterna> na initrd
[10:47] <anny_> ok....bo potem v redu?
[10:47] <dz0ny> anny_: ce tist ne popravi, bos postala report ki ga nardi
[10:47] <dz0ny> pa ti bomo vec povedal
[10:47] <anny_> ok :*
[10:48] <anny_> kaj bi jaz brez vas
[10:48] <yang> na windowsih bi bla
[10:48] <idioterna> ce nimas live usb lahko tist lvm pomoje za zbutat
[10:48] <anny_> in brez zaj*** sistema, ki skrbi, da mi ni dolgčas :)
[10:48] <idioterna> hja
[10:48] <idioterna> suni je obsojena na windows
[10:48] <idioterna> pa kr socno kolne
[10:48] <yang> zarad aplijacij?
[10:49] <anny_> seveda
[10:49] <idioterna> ja
[10:49] <anny_> aplikacije najbolje delujejo na sistemih, za katere so bile prvotno mišljene
[10:49] <yang> ja to je kr zoprno
[10:49] <anny_> to je kar splošen zakon
[10:49] <anny_> idioterna, kako lmv brez live usb?
[10:49] <idioterna> autocad pa adobe suite pa razne te arcview in podobne
[10:50] <anny_> adobe suite je edino, kar res pogrešam
[10:50] <idioterna> anny_: ja ko isce root device mu ga na roke postavis
[10:50] <anny_> počasi bi morala zamenjat komp pa kar noče in noče krniki
[10:50] <idioterna> z ukazom
[10:50] <anny_> idioterna...tumač zame
[10:50] <idioterna> lvm vgchange -ay
[10:50] <idioterna> ponavadi deluje
[10:50] <anny_> kako to naredim?
[10:50] <slax0r> anny_: ja pomagaj mu na onostranstvo, pa bo
[10:51] <idioterna> anny_: ko pokaze tisto sporocilo pade v initrd lupino
[10:51] <anny_> ja
[10:51] <idioterna> kjer lahko tipkas
[10:51] <anny_> potem pa vtipkam?
[10:51] <idioterna> natipkas ta ukaz
[10:51] <anny_> to bi bilo kul
[10:51] <idioterna> potem oa exit
[10:51] <yang> jaz napisem samo "vgchange -ay" brez lvm
[10:52] <Sky[x]> dz0ny. idioterna: issue docker pa razlicni IP-ji https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/17305
[10:52] <Pepelka> 1.9: Default docker0 IP is not 172.17.42.1 for new installs · Issue #17305 · docker/docker · GitHub
[10:52] <Pepelka> »docker - Docker - the open-source application container engine«
[10:52] <yang> to da iniciarizira lvm volumne
[10:53] <anny_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIQGzi90IGk
[10:53] <Pepelka> Kid Destroys Computer With Airsoft Gun - YouTube
[10:53] <idioterna> yang: v initrd je samo en binary
[10:53] <Pepelka> »While trying to film a project, this kid realizes that his broken airsoft gun is magically working. Unfortunately for him, it destroys a very important thing...«
[10:53] <idioterna> yang: /bin/lvm
[10:53] <idioterna> al mogoce /sbin/lvm
[10:54] <idioterna> dunno
[10:54] <yang> anny drugace je tudi kanal #lvm
[10:54] <idioterna> Sky[x]: hm zdej mi kubernetes dockerje rihta tko da ze dolg nism
[10:54] <idioterna> na roke tega delu
[10:55] <yang> a tej dockerji so kot neki graficni vps containerji ?
[10:55] <yang> da lahko delas snapshote itd
[10:56] <idioterna> ne :)
[10:56] <idioterna> haha
[10:56] <idioterna> "graficni" ?
[10:56] <idioterna> kaj nej bi pa to pomenil?
[10:56] <yang> ja mislim z gui jih nadziras
[10:56] <idioterna> aja?
[10:56] <idioterna> dunno
[10:57] <idioterna> nism se vidu guija
[10:57] <yang> aja sem mislu da so to dockerji
[10:57] <idioterna> docker je daemon + binary za linux kernel namespaces
[10:57] <idioterna> managat
[10:57] <yang> k zadnjic sem bral neki 30000 dockers on 1000 servers
[10:58] <idioterna> ja za to si je pa verjetno pametno nardit UI kjer normalno loh delas
[10:58] <yang> nc motam it bbl
[11:01] <anny_> lp
[11:01] <zdobersek> CIAO
[11:01] <anny_> zdobbie?
[11:01] <anny_> :)
[11:03] <idioterna> pomahal je yangu ane
[11:04] <anny_> guy crash
[11:04] <anny_> :P
[11:04] <idioterna> crush?
[11:04] <idioterna> sej zdej je moderno bit gej
[11:04] <anny_> nezaustavljiva živalska privlačnost
[11:04] <slax0r> o.O
[11:04] <idioterna> moj sodelovc je mel "gay is the new black" na majci napisan
[11:04] <anny_> bi je sexy
[11:05] <zdobersek> je moderno, pa tudi jeba
[11:05] <anny_> gay je soooo 90-s
[11:05] <idioterna> js bi bil bi
[11:05] <idioterna> pa nism se srecal tapravga tipa.
[11:05] <anny_> manj problemov z ženskami
[11:05] <anny_> idioterna, Rugelj je žal pokojni
[11:05] <zdobersek> geje loh kle baje diskriminirajo, ker se to ni protiustavno
[11:06] <idioterna> je protiustavno
[11:06] <idioterna> sam ugotovljeno ni :)
[11:06] <dz0ny> Sky[x]: sounds like pebkac
[11:06] <anny_> hhha
[11:06] <zdobersek> še* ni
[11:06] <anny_> wait and see
[11:06] <zdobersek> but why wait
[11:06] <dz0ny> .yt laid pains of the
[11:06] <jabuk> The Pains of Being Pure at Heart - Laid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfaoZxKA48s
[11:06] <anny_> grem delat
[11:07] <idioterna> srecno
[11:07] <idioterna> js grem pa v mesto bluzit i guess
[11:07] <anny_> lp
[11:07] <anny_> hvala vsem, poročam o (ne)uspehu
[11:07] <anny_> lupka *
[11:07] <anny_> lupčka*
[11:08] <idioterna> js kr roko dam ponavad
[11:08] <anny_> nisem kužna
[11:08] <idioterna> ja kako nej js to vem
[11:08] <zdobersek> http://i.imgur.com/gw9tIUv.gif
[11:08] <idioterna> tko ja
[11:09] <idioterna> ceprov mu manjkajo une rokavice za bencin tankat
[11:09] <anny_> manjka nadaljevanje, ko ga ona klofne
[11:10] <anny_> pičim
[11:10] <zdobersek> kok pa to?
[11:10] <zdobersek> a ni z zenskami manj problemov?
[11:10] <zdobersek> hence how can she slap
[11:10] <anny_> ne bi vedla...
[11:11] <zdobersek> (03:05:27 AM) anny_: manj problemov z ženskami
[11:11] <zdobersek> sem upov
[11:11] <anny_> hočem reč, da je z moškimi za moškega manj problemov kot z ženskami
[11:12] <anny_> biologija je bolj skladna in ni se treba ukvarjati z pms
[11:12] <CrazyLemon> in to je edini razlog zakaj si ti z moškim ane!
[11:12] <anny_> vprašaj mojega, zakaj je on z mano
[11:12] <anny_> nekaj že mora videti na meni, ane?
[11:12] <CrazyLemon> ass&boobs is my guess
[11:13] * CrazyLemon hides
[11:13] <anny_> where is pussy?
[11:13] * CrazyLemon points at zdobersek
[11:13] <CrazyLemon> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[11:13] <anny_> in kje so možgani?
[11:13] * zdobersek holds a mirror towards CrazyLemon
[11:14] <CrazyLemon> oh hello there handsome!
[11:14] * anny_ runs away from crazy oafs
[11:15] <anny_> haha, zdaj pa res lp!
[11:15] <anny_> fajn smeh je bil
[11:15] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: you scared her!
[11:15] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek she scared herself
[11:15] <anny_> mene ne morete prestrašit
[11:15] <anny_> bilo bi zabavno, če bi se srečali v živo z internetnimi bojevniki
[11:16] <zdobersek> nimajo cajta
[11:16] <zdobersek> borbajo z ISIS
[11:16] <anny_> taki se ponavadi izkažejo za totalne mucke...ne bom uporabila besede na p
[11:16] <CrazyLemon> jah zamudila si priložnost ane! ko so bile ubuntu urice
[11:16] <zdobersek> tistih trikrat
[11:16] <anny_> zdobbie, če rečeš, da si anonymous, izgubiš članstvo!
[11:16] <Sky[x]> dz0ny: nop, pozabil so dat v release notes :)
[11:16] <zdobersek> ja pol sem pa anonymous
[11:16] <anny_> CrazyLemon, bila sem kar pogosto zraven fizično
[11:17] <zdobersek> pa jim je povprecna starost padla za 2 piki
[11:17] <anny_> zdaj pač malo manj
[11:17] <anny_> ccc
[11:17] <zdobersek> a psihicno je bila drugje ...
[11:17] <anny_> tudi včasih
[11:17] <zdobersek> as si mislila, 'fucking nerds'
[11:17] <anny_> kadar g33ki začnejo v svojem žargonu, jim je težko slediti
[11:18] <anny_> čeprav počasi napredujem
[11:18] <dz0ny> Sky[x]: to bo delal problem sam ce mas kej hardcodan tist gateway ip
[11:18] <anny_> papa
[11:19] <Sky[x]> dz0ny: jp sej zato sem pa ugotovil :)
[11:23] <idioterna> jsm cist happy about being a pussy
[11:26] <CrazyLemon> to zdaj praviš ko je anny že šla!
[11:26] <CrazyLemon> pussy!
[11:26] <idioterna> ja pred njo si ne upam k sm pussy
[12:02] <slax0r> https://www.facebook.com/mtvsportfi/videos/1006219939421541/
[12:02] <Pepelka> MTV Sport | Facebook
[12:02] <Pepelka> »MTV Sport Talvimaraton is coming! Tuleville kuukausille ennustetaan pohjoiseen suomalaismenestystä ja poutaa.«
[12:02] <slax0r> meanwhile in finland
[12:07] <CrazyLemon> http://www.amazon.it/Huawei-Smartphone-Display-pollici-Fotocamera/dp/B017EOVF8U/
[12:07] <Pepelka> Huawei Nexus 6P Smartphone, Display 5.7 pollici, Memoria interna 32 GB, 3 GB RAM, Fotocamera 12.3 MP, Android 6.0, Argento: Amazon.it: Elettronica
[12:07] <Pepelka> »Huawei Nexus 6P Smartphone, Display 5.7 pollici, Memoria interna 32 GB, 3 GB RAM, Fotocamera 12.3 MP, Android 6.0, Argento: Amazon.it: Elettronica«
[12:07] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie ^
[12:07] <zdobbie> e pa sta!
[12:08] <CrazyLemon> a bos kupio?!?
[12:08] <zdobbie> CrazyLemon: https://www.notebook.de/google-nexus-6p-g-3840?atyp=ha
[12:08] <Pepelka> GOOGLE Nexus 6P Smartphones billiger notebook.de
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[12:08] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie to je 80€ več!
[12:09] <zdobbie> ja pa ddv gre stran
[12:09] <zdobbie> a n
[12:10] <CrazyLemon> oh sorry espejevc
[12:11] <zdobbie> https://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/vlc-devel/2015-November/105002.html
[12:11] <Pepelka> [vlc-devel] [PATCH 0/1] freetype: handle non-Latin family names and non-English style names in Windows
[12:17] <zdobbie> CrazyLemon: also, 64GB
[12:17] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie also i dont need 64gb but i'll take it
[12:18] <slax0r> sure you need
[12:18] <slax0r> for teh porn
[12:18] <CrazyLemon> oh..right
[12:18] <CrazyLemon> i forgot about teh porn
[12:20] <zdobbie> mah ne vem
[12:20] <zdobersek> al bi vzel 5 al 6
[12:23] <CrazyLemon> js ti prodam 5 za ceno 6
[12:24] <slax0r> an offer you can not refuze
[12:32] <zdobbie> aaand refuzed
[12:36] <slax0r> you are screwed, with a screwdriver, don't say I didn't warn you, when you wake up tomorrow morning with a horse head
[12:49] <CrazyLemon> :/
[13:30] <dz0ny> .yt brika gold
[13:30] <jabuk> Brika - Gold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VajzGbAXnNU
[14:28] <CrazyLemon> dz0ny nice one
[14:52] <CrazyLemon> .yt painting greys
[14:52] <jabuk> Bob Ross - Shades Of Grey - The Joy of Painting (Season 2 Episode 4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-ousb8-SD0
[14:52] <CrazyLemon> .yt babbit painting greys
[14:52] <jabuk> Babbit - Painting Greys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8aQDSuvsZU
[14:52] <CrazyLemon> dz0ny ^
[15:16] <pitko> se kej ve kaj se z kiberpipion spletno stran?
[15:40] <dz0ny> pitko: kiberpipe ni več
[15:41] <dz0ny> .yt dont you find james t
[15:41] <jabuk> "Why Don't You Call Me" James Blake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6bOdCFPz1I
[15:51] <zdobersek> odsla je drugam
[15:53] <CrazyLemon> you're such a rudan fan
[15:53] <zdobersek> odsla je stran
[15:53] <zdobersek> (rima se!)
[15:53] <zdobersek> CrazyLemon: tis pa tksn #2 fan, k tko pogruntas, kaj referiram
[15:58] <CrazyLemon> zdobersek you are just predictable
[16:10] <lynxlynxlynx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B83KuCFhR6c
[16:10] <Pepelka> How to be a "1337" Hacker - YouTube
[16:10] <Pepelka> »We see them every day on countless TV shows hacking into networks, stealing passwords, and DDoSing major websites. This week on Tech Tips we will show YOU ho...«
[17:17] <CrazyLemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrHl0wpagFc
[17:17] <Pepelka> Pixies - Where Is My Mind? (Music Video) - YouTube
[17:17] <Pepelka> »This was done for a film production class assignment that required us to make a "cinepoem" that made the audience feel some emotion. So I decided to make my ...«
[17:17] <zdobbie> DUNNO
[17:17] <zdobbie> IN THE CLOUD
[17:17] <zdobbie> BEING COPIED BY THE NS FUCKIN A
[17:17] <CrazyLemon> TURN OFF THE FUCKIN CAPS LOCK
[17:18] <zdobbie> HA, U GOT TRICKED M8
[17:18] <zdobbie> THEY WERE NEVER ON
[17:19] <CrazyLemon> YOU FECKING SHIFT HOLDER
[17:21] <zdobbie> OOOOH LOOK AT THE JELL
[17:35] <CrazyLemon> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-yh1hyZDmCtQ/Vkk72hSvD0I/AAAAAAAAU-c/DbxjxBhpGJY/w958-h575-no/inm1jv2.jpg
[17:35] <speed-> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NY7u0Q4PvG8/TTjaN1PYOvI/AAAAAAAAACk/poaxQqU4NF0/s1600/retired.jpg
[17:37] <CrazyLemon> lol
[17:38] <zdobbie> the fuck
[17:38] <zdobbie> ni cudno, da so neuspesni v boju proti terorizmu
[17:38] <zdobbie> ce koristijo fecken unity
[17:39] <CrazyLemon> YOU JUST JELL
[17:39] <speed-> mogoce pa majo oni tudi lack of oxygen :)
[17:39] <zdobbie> oh snap!
[17:39] <zdobbie> OOOOH SNAPP
[17:40] <CrazyLemon> mislis da so retired?
[17:40] <speed-> mogoce
[17:41] <jabuk> M 1.8 > 8.km Z od BREŽIC @17/11/2015 18:27:14 https://maps.google.com/?q=45.89+N,+15.49+E
[18:14] <dz0ny> CrazyLemon: a si blindspot gledu :)?
[18:19] <dz0ny> .sc solar detroit maceo plex
[18:19] <jabuk> Maceo Plex - Solar Detroit (Original Mix) [Ellum](9 minut) https://soundcloud.com/heraultmathis/maceo-plex-solar-detroit-original-mix-ellum ♥3,233 ▶57,695
[18:22] <CrazyLemon> dz0ny sm
[18:22] <CrazyLemon> aja..where is my mind
[18:23] <CrazyLemon> ja to je iz blindspot ja
[18:23] <CrazyLemon> pa baje je velikokrat v mr.robot
[18:25] <dz0ny> and some other classic
[18:58] <idioterna> CrazyLemon: zdobersek zdobbie
[18:58] <idioterna> those terrorists aren't gonna kill themselves
[18:58] <idioterna> well, maybe some will, but that's not the point!
[18:59] <CrazyLemon> idioterna pridem cez 30min..moram backupat ms office ker se mi ne da se enkrat crackat po resetu
[19:01] <idioterna> uredu ja
[19:04] <zdobbie> hahahahahahaha winbiatch
[19:13] <netkat> CrazyLemon evo se ena ppt varianta http://tools.suckless.org/sent
[19:13] <Pepelka> sent | suckless.org tools
[19:16] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie why u hatin'
[19:20] <CrazyLemon> a kdo ve če je dovolj backup mape z ofisi not ali je potrebno še kaj narest ko naredim restore?
[19:23] <zdobbie> #windows-si prosim!
[19:23] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie #insurgency-on-ubuntu prosim!
[19:27] <dz0ny> woot
[19:27] <dz0ny> a ni za linux
[19:27] <dz0ny> lol?
[19:27] <dz0ny> and I wanted to buy
[19:40] <CrazyLemon> sej je
[20:05] <zdobbie> jebes to
[20:05] <zdobbie> brat se je usedu na linijo
[20:07] <CrazyLemon> zdobbie kick him
[20:07] <CrazyLemon> bo pron ze pocakal
[20:12] <dz0ny> .yt bob moses tearing me up
[20:12] <jabuk> Bob Moses - Tearing me up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVeBGyT9ycE
[20:12] <idioterna> dz0ny: je za linux
[20:12] <idioterna> kuko pa misls da js spilam
[20:12] <dz0ny> with wine :=
[20:12] <idioterna> ne pijem kadar strelam :)
[20:18] <dz0ny> .sc what so not high you are
[20:18] <jabuk> What So Not - High You Are (Branchez Remix)(4 minute) https://soundcloud.com/owslaofficial/what-so-not-high-you-are-1 ♥347,598 ▶22,865,653
[20:20] <dz0ny> .sc The Bystander Effect secular ghost
[20:20] <jabuk> The Bystander Effect(5 minut) https://soundcloud.com/secularghost/the-bystander-effect ♥671 ▶16,404
[20:55] <upd> Postopek, ki se na AVK in sodiščih vleče že od leta 2004, gre ponovno od začetka, saj bo AVK spet presojala. 11 let lolol
[20:59] <yang> dz0ny: ti bi verjetn kr uzival v ekscesnih zabavah kluba Cirkus, k poslusas tako elektronsko muzko
[21:00] <dz0ny> lol, poudarek na poslušal :>
[21:02] <idioterna> ja lej
[21:02] <idioterna> yang ze ve da se drogiras
[21:04] <yang> to ti pravis
[21:04] <yang> jst nc ne vem
[21:05] <yang> vem oz. vidim pa kaksne zabave so v tistem klubu
[21:05] <yang> ker objavljajo slike
[21:06] <idioterna> totally.
[21:07] <yang> ja idioterna ti tezko ves, k si bil sam 2x v disku
[21:10] <yang> noja v bistvu ni kej dost razlike med 2x bit v disku al pa 200x da ugotovis da je brezveze
[21:12] <yang> ce se bavis z vrtenjem muzke je malo bolj zanimivo
[21:20] <idioterna> js nism bil zadrogiran tko da dobr vem kako je u diskotu :)
[21:28] <CrazyLemon> gg
[21:28] <idioterna> mhm
[21:39] <yang> idioterna: ja sej nisi bil edini
[21:40] <yang> v diskotu si zadet ze od lightshowa in glasne muzike
[22:52] <upd> https://twitter.com/ibnimurad2/status/655014011596111873
[22:52] <Pepelka> İbni Murad auf Twitter: "#Haçlı #Koalisyon 'un #islamdevleti 'ni 1'Yıl içinde bombalama maliyeti: 4 'Milyar doları http://t.co/K9TWg5PKQ8"<
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[10:34] <Kilos> hellooo africa
[10:34] <Kilos> hi craigbrash and elacheche and elachecheBedis
[10:36] <craigbrash> hello all
[14:06] <elacheche> Yo Kilos
[17:35] <Na3iL> o/
[17:47] * Na3iL is away: AFK
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[10:54] <vubuntor978> google.com
[10:54] <vubuntor978> helloo
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[17:36] <OvenWerks> Got this message by PM... I don't do much with blogs so someone who knows what it should look like should check:
[17:37] <OvenWerks> 09:33 [Ubuntu] [jacekn([email protected])] I'm one of the sysadmins working for Canonical. Just wanted to let you know that we migrated ubuntustudio.org blog to new place. It was 1 to 1 move so nothing should change for you
[17:37] <OvenWerks> 09:33 [Ubuntu] [jacekn([email protected])] but if something is not quite right please let us know :)
[18:24] <zequence> OvenWerks: I got that too.
[18:24] <zequence> Yeah, seems to be working
[18:24] <OvenWerks> zequence: I thought that might be the case but wanted to make sure.
[18:24] <zequence> Yep
[18:25] <zequence> I'll look into the failed ISO build tomorrow. Some new libav problem, as it seems
[18:58] <DalekSec> zequence: Cub anywhere close to alive?
[20:02] <zequence> DalekSec: He's mostly active on the mail list. He got a bit busy with other things for a while.
[20:23] <DalekSec> OK.
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[18:46] <DammitJim> Michael, do you still need help Thursday morning?
[18:47] <DammitJim> man, I hate that I am going to miss so many good talks on Friday afternoon. Do you think they'll have them on video for me to watch later?
[18:57] <mhall119> DammitJim: no idea on video, I'll take any help I can get on Thursday, but if you can't don't worry about it
[19:01] <DammitJim> would you like for me to get there early?
[19:01] <DammitJim> Lori offered to take the kids to school, so I can be there before 8am if needed
[19:11] <Garheade> ahoneybun_: are you going to FLUX tonight?
[20:24] <mhall119> DammitJim: sure, I don't know when I'll arrive, but others will be staying at a local hotel
[20:43] <ahoneybun> Garheade: I am
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[01:10] <axw> abentley: don't suppose you're working? CI seems to have died... merge job has been running for 2 hours
[01:11] <axw> I'll just kill it and hope for the best
[02:14] * thumper heading out for a bit, taking daughter to BJJ
[03:40] <natefinch> google: ps human readable memory
[03:40] <natefinch> response: <hugeass command>
[03:41] <natefinch> nobody's put a -h on ps, huh?
[05:42] <natefinch> nobody's put a -h on ps, huh?
[05:42] <natefinch> oops wrong window
[05:52] <natefinch> oops wrong window
[06:31] <mup> Bug #1516891 opened: juju 1.25 misconfigures juju-br0 when using MAAS 1.9 bonded interface <juju-core:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516891>
[06:34] <mup> Bug #1516891 changed: juju 1.25 misconfigures juju-br0 when using MAAS 1.9 bonded interface <juju-core:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516891>
[06:43] <mup> Bug #1516891 opened: juju 1.25 misconfigures juju-br0 when using MAAS 1.9 bonded interface <juju-core:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516891>
[09:04] <frobware> dimitern, ping 1:1?
[09:05] <dimitern> frobware, sorry, omw
[09:54] <axw> wallyworld: http://reports.vapour.ws/releases/3318 -- azure-arm-provider is blessed. what's the process to merge into master?
[09:54] <wallyworld> axw: yay. when master unblocked, just create a branch, merge in tip of feature branch, and propose
[09:55] <axw> wallyworld: cool. no need for review on that I take it?
[09:55] <wallyworld> axw: judgement call, usually no
[09:55] <wallyworld> IMHO
[10:01] <dimitern> voidspace, frobware, jam, fwereade, standup?
[10:14] <voidspace> dimitern: bugger, bugger, bugger
[10:14] <voidspace> got distracted by work
[10:14] <voidspace> sorry
[10:15] <voidspace> dimitern: frobware: dooferlad: I guess you've finished
[10:15] <dooferlad> voidspace: yep
[10:16] <voidspace> dimitern: frobware: dooferlad: my standup then - I made the changes to add a machine.Principals method for my "address picking algorithm change"
[10:16] <dimitern> voidspace, :) hey, you didn't miss much
[10:16] <voidspace> dimitern: frobware: dooferlad: that made tests pass on CI - it's landed on 1.25 but master is still blocked
[10:16] <dimitern> voidspace, nice! yeah - too bad for master :/ I have 3 PRs blocked as well
[10:17] <voidspace> I thought I'd finished the implementation of Subnets using the new MAAS API and am waiting on the test harness - will need to sync up with dooferlad for that
[10:17] <voidspace> so I'd started on the ListSpaces implementation
[10:17] <dimitern> voidspace, please, call it Spaces()
[10:17] <voidspace> in the process of that this morning I discovered a flaw in the new Subnets code (wasn't filtering by subnet ID)
[10:17] <voidspace> dimitern: ok - I thought ListSpaces was your idea
[10:17] <voidspace> but fine
[10:17] <dimitern> voidspace, it was an early idea, but since we have Subnets() now, let's keep the consistency in names
[10:18] <voidspace> and it was fixing the subnet ID filtering that distracted me
[10:18] <voidspace> done now
[10:18] <voidspace> dooferlad: have you made a start on the maas test server update?
[10:18] <dooferlad> voidspace: yes
[10:19] <dimitern> voidspace, cheers
[10:19] <dooferlad> voidspace: working on it now. Will ping you when I have something worth sharing
[10:19] <voidspace> dooferlad: cool, let me know if you have any questions
[10:19] <voidspace> dooferlad: great!
[10:19] <voidspace> dooferlad: I'll carry on with Spaces then - can land it as a single branch
[10:23] <voidspace> dimitern: environ.Spaces() can just return a map of string -> []SubnetInfo - right?
[10:23] <voidspace> dimitern: and should we do anything with the maas "Default Space" (named like that)
[10:23] <voidspace> dimitern: we want to make sure our default space is the same as the maas default space
[10:24] <voidspace> otherwise nothing works
[10:26] <dimitern> voidspace, I think Spaces() needs to return []network.SpaceInfo
[10:27] <voidspace> dimitern: ok
[10:27] <voidspace> dimitern: all SpaceInfo will have is a name and a []SubnetInfo
[10:27] <dimitern> voidspace, and that in turn should have a Name, ProviderId, Subnets []network.Id
[10:27] <voidspace> there's no provider id beyond name
[10:27] <voidspace> dimitern: you want network.Id for subnets rather than SubnetInfo ?
[10:27] <dimitern> voidspace, I don't think we should care about the "Default space"
[10:28] <voidspace> dimitern: what do you mean by "not care" - not include it?
[10:28] <dimitern> voidspace, well, if we require Spaces() to return the full subnets info, wouldn't that be too restrictive on providers?
[10:28] <dimitern> voidspace, no, include it - we just won't use it for openstack
[10:28] <voidspace> the only provider we have that can list spaces is maas
[10:28] <dimitern> voidspace, for now
[10:29] <voidspace> and I suspect that for any provider we implement spaces for, the only way we'll get a slice of subnet IDs is by getting full subnet info anyway
[10:29] <dimitern> voidspace, will it be easier to do []SubnetInfo instead?
[10:29] <dimitern> voidspace, I mean, SpaceInfo with Subnets []SubnetInfo
[10:29] <voidspace> it would mean throwing away less information away
[10:29] <voidspace> so marginally less work
[10:30] <dimitern> voidspace, ok, let's do it so Spaces() return the full subnets info
[10:30] <voidspace> and include default space
[10:31] <voidspace> we need to be careful when we populate the model that we don't end up with a "juju default space" and a "maas default space" that are actually the same thing but we treat them differently
[10:33] <dimitern> voidspace, well, since a juju space name cannot contain a space, "Default space" will be the ProviderId, the juju name will need to be something like "default-space" I guess
[10:33] <voidspace> dimitern: so I need to transform all maas names into juju compatible ones
[10:34] <voidspace> dimitern: so ironically the "Provider Id" will be much more human readable than the "Space Name"
[10:34] <voidspace> dimitern: why do we have that restriction?
[10:34] <dimitern> voidspace, because of constraints and bindings
[10:34] <voidspace> ah
[10:34] <voidspace> fair enough
[10:35] <dimitern> voidspace, the transformation should be just lowercase it and replace spaces with -
[10:35] <voidspace> dimitern: sooo... when I fetch the space name from the maas subnet result I need to transform there too
[10:35] <voidspace> SubnetInfo.SpaceName has to be the juju space name
[10:36] <dimitern> voidspace, yeah I think so
[10:37] <voidspace> cool
[10:37] <voidspace> dimitern: thanks
[10:37] <voidspace> dimitern: hmmm... that's a one way transform though
[10:38] <voidspace> dimitern: (i.e. you won't be able to deterministacally go from the SpaceName on a Subnet to the MAAS space)
[10:38] <voidspace> dimitern: you can list spaces to see that though
[10:38] <voidspace> which will have both
[10:38] <voidspace> probably doesn't matter
[10:38] <dimitern> voidspace, when talking to maas we always need to use the provider id - we should have it once the space is imported
[10:39] <voidspace> dimitern: sure
[10:39] <voidspace> dimitern: but if someone sees a SubnetInfo (i.e. output from subnets list) the space name shown there is *not* the maas space name
[10:39] <dimitern> voidspace, but I don't think we'll need to do juju space name -> maas space provider id anywhere
[10:39] <voidspace> I'm talking about the user - not us
[10:39] <dimitern> voidspace, ah, sure - we need to have ProviderSpaceId on SubnetInfo
[10:40] <dimitern> voidspace, in addition to SpaceName
[10:40] <voidspace> that means a new facade
[10:40] <voidspace> as it's a change to the api output
[10:40] <voidspace> are you *sure* we need that as it's a lot of extra work
[10:40] <voidspace> (well - a moderate amount)
[10:40] <dimitern> voidspace, ProviderSpaceId is optional
[10:40] <voidspace> I say we should be aware of it but not do it for now
[10:41] <dimitern> voidspace, but good point about the versioning
[10:41] <voidspace> dimitern: still need a new facade, if someone writes any code depending on that value being present then they need to know which api version to require
[10:41] <dimitern> voidspace, that's the client subnets facade you're talking about?
[10:41] <voidspace> dimitern: yep
[10:41] <voidspace> as it's in 1.25
[10:41] <dimitern> voidspace, yeah, I think before the release we should bump the version for sure
[10:42] <voidspace> dimitern: I say we don't need SpaceProviderId on SubnetInfo yet
[10:42] <dimitern> voidspace, but for the time being let's just keep it in mind (probably add a card for it though, once your change lands)
[10:42] <voidspace> cool
[10:42] <voidspace> nobody may actually care in practise, but if they do we can add it
[10:43] <dimitern> voidspace, we should be serious about api backwards compatibility
[10:43] <dimitern> voidspace, but given the time frame, it can wait for a while
[10:52] <voidspace> dimitern: so I think I do need to add SpaceProviderId to SubnetInfo - as it's needed for Spaces
[10:52] <voidspace> dimitern: however I don't need to add it to the apiserver SubnetResults
[10:53] <dimitern> voidspace, not yet, yep
[10:53] <dimitern> voidspace, it can stay within the provider code
[10:53] <dimitern> voidspace, and for importing at bootstrap we don't need to modify the api facades at all, since we have access to state at that point
[10:54] <voidspace> dimitern: and access to the provider
[10:55] <voidspace> dimitern: but we do need the proper provider id, so it will need to be on SubnetInfo (which is what we build the state model from)
[10:56] <dimitern> voidspace, we do have access to the provider when we have the environ config
[10:56] <dimitern> voidspace, network.SubnetInfo != params.SubnetInfo btw exactly for that reason
[10:57] <voidspace> yep, understood
[11:02] <mup> Bug #1516975 opened: Incompatible version formats <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516975>
[11:11] <mup> Bug #1516975 changed: Incompatible version formats <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516975>
[11:14] <mup> Bug #1516977 opened: juju upgrade-juju should guess version number <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516977>
[11:26] <mup> Bug #1516977 changed: juju upgrade-juju should guess version number <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516977>
[11:26] <mup> Bug #1516975 opened: Incompatible version formats <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516975>
[11:32] <mup> Bug #1516975 changed: Incompatible version formats <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516975>
[11:32] <mup> Bug #1516977 opened: juju upgrade-juju should guess version number <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516977>
[11:44] <mup> Bug #1516989 opened: juju status <service_name> broken <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516989>
[13:02] <fwereade> straw poll: `type NotifyChan <-chan struct{}`, or `type NotifyChannel <-chan struct{}`
[13:03] <fwereade> jam, dimitern, frobware, anyone? ^^
[13:08] <dimitern> frobware, I'd vote for the first one
[13:08] <dimitern> sorry :) I meant fwereade ^^
[13:09] <fwereade> dimitern, cheers
[13:17] <frobware> dimitern, fwereade: for me the latter. :)
[13:18] <frobware> fwereade, speaking it out loud (in my head) I'm talking about a "channel"
[13:20] <dimitern> frobware, yeah, but the type name is "chan" and it's more common in the go code base to use Chan vs Channel
[13:22] <fwereade> dammit, now it's even again, if someone wants to tie-break?
[13:23] <fwereade> I do favour Chan myself but can't really muster up very strong arguments either way
[13:23] <perrito666> I would vote for the seccond, there is no sense in adding the type to the name of something in a typed language
[13:23] <dimitern> fwereade, frankly, I don't care that much :) you can count me towards Channel if it helps
[13:24] <fwereade> Channel it is then, thanks all
[13:25] <fwereade> and: dimitern, frobware, perrito666: can I trouble any of you for reviews of http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3143/ and http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3146/ please?
[13:26] <fwereade> if I can get LGTMs there I can apply the various fixes for the pipeline to http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3147/ and land in one fell swoop
[13:27] <dimitern> fwereade, I'll have a look shortly
[13:27] <fwereade> 3143 has already been looked at and I *think* just needs an LGTM and/or second opinion on the open issue
[13:27] <fwereade> 3146 is just a copy-code-and-fix-imports
[13:27] <fwereade> dimitern, tyvm
[13:48] <fwereade> frobware, opinion on thumper's comment at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3143/diff/3/?file=159341#file159341line96 ?
[13:48] <fwereade> frobware, am inclined to drop the issue but if anyone can tell me *why* it's bad I will change it
[13:50] <frobware> fwereade, looking
[13:54] <frobware> fwereade, plan.Init is actively populated with workers at this stage?
[13:55] <fwereade> frobware, yeah
[13:55] <fwereade> frobware, ha! some asshole could change Init once the func's returned
[13:55] <fwereade> frobware, thanks
[14:02] <dooferlad> dimitern, frobware, voidspace: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/maas-juju-net
[14:02] <dimitern> dooferlad, omw 2m
[14:09] <mup> Bug #1516975 opened: Incompatible version formats <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516975>
[14:46] <voidspace> dooferlad: sooo...
[14:46] <dooferlad> voidspace: yep?
[14:46] <voidspace> dooferlad: I'll be changing my implementation to call the /node/{id}/ endpoint which now includes subnet information in the output
[14:47] <voidspace> dooferlad: which the test server may or may not already support - probably not
[14:47] <dooferlad> no, not yet
[14:47] <voidspace> dooferlad: so if you could include that in your test server work that would be wonderful :-)
[14:47] <dooferlad> voidspace: sure
[14:47] <voidspace> thanks
[14:56] <natefinch> rofl.... the output for juju run is sorted by machineID... alphabetically... i.e. 1, 10, 11, 12, 2, 3, 4
[15:07] <mattyw> katco, not merging lxd in master? I'm excited for it to happen though
[15:15] <mup> Bug #1517076 opened: juju run output is sorted by machine id alphabetically not numerically <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517076>
[15:16] <dooferlad> voidspace: this is more involved than just subnets because they depend on fabrics and VLANs. Fun :-|
[15:16] <voidspace> dooferlad: we're not initially going to be using fabrics and vlans though
[15:16] <voidspace> dooferlad: so even if they *should* appear in json output you can restrict the test server to just stuff that we're using
[15:17] <voidspace> when we need fabrics and vlans we can add them
[15:17] <dooferlad> voidspace: hmm, OK
[15:17] <voidspace> test server support doesn't need to be complete
[15:17] <dooferlad> voidspace: I will just dump out some sensible defaults
[15:17] <voidspace> cool
[15:17] <voidspace> it doesn't look like I'll need to query a subnet's ip addresses by the way
[15:17] <voidspace> if you haven't done that yet
[15:17] <voidspace> if you have there's no harm in keeping it
[15:18] <dooferlad> voidspace: Oh, I haven't got the basics down yet, but ignoring VLANs removes quite a chunk of work.
[15:18] <voidspace> yay \o/
[15:23] <dimitern> fwereade, sorry, I just finished a call now and managed to push first of your reviews
[15:23] <fwereade> dimitern, np, I've been tussling with worker/environ again
[15:27] <katco> mattyw: we're merging lxd into master. waiting for bless from ci
[15:27] <fwereade> dimitern, and, thanks for the detailed review: I'm not sure I'll be making any code changes there, but there's no harm in making the comments less stupid
[15:28] <dimitern> fwereade, and the other one is done - I hope the reviews are useful :)
[15:28] <dimitern> fwereade, yep +1
[15:29] <dimitern> katco, hey, any idea about that blocker bug? didn't we decide to rollback issues like that..
[15:31] <katco> dimitern: we're going to try and get a fix in before EOD today, if not we'll revert
[15:35] <mattyw> katco, much excite ;)
[15:35] <katco> mattyw: :)
[15:38] <dimitern> katco, ok, thumbs up then :)
[15:45] <mup> Bug #1517092 opened: [xenial] libgo panic doing a bootstrap on ARM64 <arm64> <bootstrap> <xenial> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517092>
[15:48] <mup> Bug #1517092 changed: [xenial] libgo panic doing a bootstrap on ARM64 <arm64> <bootstrap> <xenial> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517092>
[15:54] <mup> Bug #1517092 opened: [xenial] libgo panic doing a bootstrap on ARM64 <arm64> <bootstrap> <xenial> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517092>
[16:33] <voidspace> dimitern: frobware: dooferlad: openstack hangout?
[16:34] <dooferlad> voidspace: we are skipping today I think
[16:34] <voidspace> dooferlad: no0pe
[16:34] <voidspace> *nope
[16:34] <voidspace> dooferlad: we skipped the second one last week
[16:35] <dooferlad> voidspace: and at this mornings hangout we discussed canceling this one
[16:35] <dooferlad> voidspace: which I realise you weren't at
[16:36] <dooferlad> voidspace: so, we should have mentioned that! I guess it should have been canceled in our calendars as well. frobware, dimitern?
[16:36] <voidspace> dooferlad: dimitern and the open stack guys are here
[16:36] <voidspace> but it's a low key discussion
[16:37] <voidspace> dooferlad: probably no harm in you skipping
[16:45] <natefinch> if we juju add-machine and then juju deploy, shouldn't the deployed unit get placed on the existing clean machine?
[16:45] <natefinch> i.e. instead of having deploy add another machine
[16:45] <natefinch> fwereade: ^
[16:50] <dooferlad> voidspace: https://code.launchpad.net/~dooferlad/gomaasapi/subnets
[16:51] <dooferlad> voidspace: I can remove most of the VLAN code (untested) and propose a merge now, or you can just use what is there until I have finished up vlans, spaces and subnets. Shouldn't take long now.
[16:52] <voidspace> dooferlad: I can start using what you've got
[16:53] <voidspace> dooferlad: I'm "retooling" to use the node api instead of subnets plus addresses for when we're filtering by node id
[16:53] <voidspace> dooferlad: that's almost done and I have the start of maasEnviron.Spaces() too
[16:53] <voidspace> dooferlad: so plenty to be getting on with, but I'll need this code "real-soon-now"
[16:53] <voidspace> dooferlad: if I need it before you're done I'll use your branch until it lands
[16:55] <dooferlad> voidspace: sounds good. So far I just have basic get/post/put/delete support for subnets. I need to integrate subnets into nodes, add op=?? (if you need that) etc.
[16:55] <voidspace> I don't need ip_addresses now
[16:56] <voidspace> I still need unreserved_ranges
[17:11] <cherylj> sinzui: for the 1.26-alpha2 release notes, should they just be appended to the 1.26.0 release notes doc?
[17:11] <sinzui> cherylj: yes please
[17:11] <cherylj> sinzui: thanks!
[17:12] <fwereade> natefinch, assuming constraints match hardware characteristics, yes
[17:13] <natefinch> fwereade: was not seeing that happen last night on 1.25
[17:14] <fwereade> natefinch, I don't think I have the mental bandwidth to do more than say "that sounds like a bug then"
[17:15] <natefinch> fwereade: no problem, just wanted to confirm that it really should be putting the unit on the existing machine, assuming the machine would otherwise be ok.
[17:15] <natefinch> (clean, matches constraints, etc)
[18:09] <marcoceppi> cherylj: we're back to power8
[18:09] <marcoceppi> it's no longer a proxy issue
[18:09] <marcoceppi> we're getting a machine-0 log in the next 30 mins
[19:37] <katco> natefinch: how's bug fix coming?
[19:39] <natefinch> katco: having some trouble reproing... running CI test s manually now to see if I can see it happen
[19:39] <katco> natefinch: k, lmk what happens. maybe menn0 did fix it :)
[19:40] <natefinch> that would be cool :)
[20:06] <natefinch> mgz: you around?
[20:06] <natefinch> or abentley?
[20:07] <abentley> natefinch: Hi.
[20:07] <natefinch> I'm looking at the jes CI failure on master... but when I try to run it I get provider validation failed: invalid EC2 provider config: environment has no access-key or secret-key
[20:08] <natefinch> this is when it's trying to do create-environment on top of the controller environment
[20:08] <natefinch> ...obviously the controller environment was created fine with an access key and secret key
[20:12] <abentley> natefinch: I could be wrong, but I don't think the controller environment provider config is used to create the hosted environments.
[20:13] <natefinch> thumper, menn0: is there a trick to getting the jes CI test to run? It seems to be failing when it tries to create-environment on top of the controller environment, saying it can't find EC2 keys
[20:13] <thumper> natefinch: you need to give it config for the environment, which includes cloud credentials
[20:14] <abentley> natefinch: Which jes test do you mean?
[20:15] <natefinch> thumper: I did... it bootstraps the controller environment just fine, then fails to create the child environment (or whatever we're calling them)
[20:15] <natefinch> abentley: assess_jes_deploy
[20:16] <thumper> did you pass the config through to the create environment call?
[20:17] <natefinch> thumper: I don't know? I gave the script the CLI args it asked for, and it didn't say I was missing any
[20:17] <thumper> hosted environments are what we are calling them
[20:18] <abentley> natefinch: Does environments.yaml contain access-key and secret-key for the "env" you specified?
[20:20] <natefinch> abentley: yes. Like I said, it was able to bootstrap the controller environment, so obviously those exist and are correct (also I can bootstrap that environment manually).
[20:21] <menn0> natefinch: assess_jes_deploy worked for me but I had to hack it a little to do an --upload-tools so it would use juju from my machine
[20:21] * menn0 checks what he did
[20:21] <thumper> natefinch: I'm not sure how the ci script creates the hosted environment
[20:21] <abentley> natefinch: Not obviously. Perhaps bootstrap respects environment variables and create-environment does not, for example.
[20:23] <menn0> abentley, natefinch: I don't have any EC2 related env vars set
[20:23] <menn0> abentley, natefinch: here's what I did: ./assess_jes_deploy.py menn0-ec2 ~/tmp/workspace/bin/juju ~/tmp/workspace/logs menn0-testing
[20:24] <menn0> menn0-ec2 is an EC2 env defined in my environments.yaml
[20:24] <menn0> menn0-testing is the name of an env that the test will create, cloning the settings from menn0-ec2
[20:25] <menn0> ~/tmp/workspace/bin/juju is the path to the juju binary (jujud etc are next to it in the same directory)
[20:25] <natefinch> menn0: that's what I did, too
[20:25] <menn0> ~/tmp/workspace/logs is where I asked for the artifacts to go
[20:27] <menn0> natefinch: I also modified assess_jes_deploy.py so that the uploadTools arg to boot_context() is True instead of False
[20:27] <menn0> but I don't think that will cause the problem you're seeing
[20:27] <menn0> natefinch: maybe check your env for EC2 variables? Maybe there's some set that are causing a problem.
[20:29] <menn0> natefinch: try "set | grep -e AWS -e EC2"
[20:29] <natefinch> hmm, so I do have the AWS keys in my environment
[20:29] <natefinch> maybe that's the problem
[20:29] <menn0> natefinch: yep, try removing them
[20:32] <natefinch> or rather, lack of them in the environments.yaml
[20:41] <menn0> natefinch: that makes even more sense
[20:42] <menn0> I imagine the AWS keys will need to be in environments.yaml in order for create-environment to work
[20:46] <natefinch> gah, now it's giving me "failed to create new environment: admin-secret should never be written to the state" sigh
[21:02] <thumper> natefinch: I bet the config from environments.yaml is just being copied, try not explicitly setting admin-secret in the environments.yaml
[21:02] <thumper> actually, create-environment should read the environment vars
[21:04] <natefinch> thumper: maybe the script is stripping out the env vars?
[21:04] * natefinch shrugs
[21:04] <natefinch> I can try doing it manually when the script is finished (this is a long-ass test)
[21:04] * thumper shrugs
[21:06] <natefinch> ahh, wondrous exceptions
[21:06] <natefinch> OSError: [Errno 17] File exists: '../logs/machine-0'
[21:07] <perrito666> tautological errors, next one should be file is file
[21:14] <natefinch> lol, I think the CI test failed while trying to dump logs
[21:14] <natefinch> thanks, exceptions!
[21:14] <thumper> quiet expectations
[21:14] <natefinch> os.mkdir(machine_dir)
[21:17] <natefinch> so after 15 minutes of running the test... it fails because the directory it was trying to create... existed. Sigh
[21:18] <menn0> natefinch: I wonder if mgz's changes to grab logs for each environment is trying to write all the logs into the same place
[21:18] <natefinch> hmm could be, though it was trying to create machine-0 ... do we have a machine-0 in the host environment?
[21:22] <perrito666> yes, that is a very annoying characteristic of CI tests, they assume a pristine env
[21:27] <mgz> menn0: I did not commit my change yet
[21:28] <mgz> CI tends to just be unforgiving about expected start state
[21:28] <menn0> mgz: ah right
[21:28] <menn0> so it's just that natefinch needs to clear the artifacts directory. there's probably stuff from a previous attempt hanging around.
[21:30] <mgz> I need to restart for hangouts, brb
[21:35] <natefinch> thanks, retrying with empty logs dir
[21:52] <natefinch> um hmm.. weird... cannot run instances: Your quota allows for 0 more running instance(s). You requested at least 1 (InstanceLimitExceeded)
[21:53] <wallyworld> menn0: do we still need to use st.docID(localid) when creating a doc to insert into a collection, or is the prefixing of the doc id with env-uuid automatic now?
[21:53] <wallyworld> everything in state still seems to use st.docID()
[21:54] <menn0> wallyworld: it's not necessary any more
[21:54] <wallyworld> awedome, ty
[21:54] <menn0> wallyworld: we can remove all the calls
[21:54] <menn0> wallyworld: I've got a tech debt card for that
[21:54] <wallyworld> yay, ok
[21:54] <natefinch> katco: I'm not going to be able to figure out this bug before dinner. I have time after dinner, but I've just been strugging with CI too much
[21:54] <menn0> but you know how it is
[21:55] <katco> natefinch: ok, i'll discuss in the release meeting. can you log where you're at somewhere
[21:55] <katco> natefinch: that i can look at?
[21:56] <katco> axw: wallyworld: does the new azure provider use simplestreams?
[21:56] <wallyworld> katco: no
[21:56] <wallyworld> it queries the cloud directly
[21:56] <katco> alexisb: ^^
[21:56] <wallyworld> to look up images ids
[21:56] <katco> wallyworld: ty
[21:56] <wallyworld> katco: i already told alexisb taht
[21:59] <natefinch> katco: not a lot to say. Couldn't repro manually, CI hasn't gotten through the test yet (each attempt is like 20 minutes)
[21:59] <natefinch> katco: updated the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1516144
[21:59] <mup> Bug #1516144: Cannot deploy charms in jes envs <blocker> <charms> <ci> <regression> <juju-core:Fix Committed by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1516144>
[21:59] <katco> natefinch: ok
[22:20] <katco> wwitzel3: ericsnow_: any updates on your end?
[22:21] <menn0> thumper: review pls: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3169/
[22:21] * thumper looks
[22:22] <ericsnow_> katco: patch should be done in the next little while (based on Nate's patch + tests)
[22:22] <katco> ericsnow_: cool. demonstrably addresses memory issue?
[22:22] <ericsnow_> katco: yes
[22:26] <perrito666> super, a bit of rain and power starts doing funny stuff
[22:28] <menn0> thumper: thanks
[22:47] <sinzui> katco: cherylj : Do you have time to review http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/3170/
[22:56] <wwitzel3> katco: not yet, I'll be working on it tonight to try and at least get past this stupid series issue.
[22:56] <katco> wwitzel3: ok
[22:56] <wwitzel3> katco: my plan was to bug someone who is starting their day to take a look at ti with me
[22:56] <katco> wwitzel3: not a bad idea. alexis is also going to see if jam or fwereade have any insights
[22:57] <wwitzel3> katco: yeah, that'd be great. I was going to bug people after Jessa and I have dinner.
[22:58] <katco> wwitzel3: k sounds good. say hi to natefinch-afk; he'll be working on trying to repo the master blocker tonight :p
[22:58] <katco> repro rather
[23:01] <wwitzel3> :)
[23:07] <alexisb> thumper, wallyworld, ^^^ if someone is around when wwitzel3 is back on it would be nice to have a AUS/NZ timezone person to bounce ideas off of
[23:07] <wallyworld> sure
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[15:39] <designbybeck> greetings all. has anyone used Celestia, the space program?
[15:39] <designbybeck> I'm wondering why the Moon and other textures don't show up
[15:39] <designbybeck> this has happened in all versions I've used
[16:08] * highvoltage installs it out of curiousity after not having run it for years
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[05:47] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-9-already-got-a-new-web-browser-app-thai-font-support-496254.shtml
[06:04] <elimisteve> Hey all, I'm getting a new laptop and I'm wondering 2 things:
[06:05] <elimisteve> 1. Which version of Ubuntu should I use for developing Ubuntu Phone apps?
[06:05] <elimisteve> (I understand that it used to matter more but the SDK is now, or will soon, come bundled with what it needs, independent of the OS version you're developing in)
[06:06] <elimisteve> 2. Can I develop Ubuntu Phone apps just fine on Xubuntu?
[06:06] <elimisteve> I like to save RAM :-)
[06:10] <elimisteve> popey: which version of which Ubuntu flavor do you and other Ubuntu Phone devs run?
[06:11] <elimisteve> am I safe running Xubuntu, or will something be missing?
[06:11] <elimisteve> Experimenting with Unity 8, to be able to run converged apps on my desktop, would be amazing, if it's stable enough for everyday use
[06:13] <elimisteve> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC sounds like an awesome way to go, hmm...
[06:16] <RAOF> elimisteve: You can develop Ubuntu Phone apps wherever you want.
[06:16] <RAOF> elimisteve: Basically just need QtCreator, which'll work wherever.
[07:50] <dholbach> good morning
[07:51] <zzarr> good morning
[07:52] <zzarr> I'm exited for tomorrows release of OTA-8 :D
[07:57] <elimisteve> RAOF: thanks. What about running Phone apps on the desktop? I know that not all the same APIs are there, but for some apps, it should work. Do you know if https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC is the best way to do that?
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> zzarr: me too :p
[10:08] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Home-Made Bread Day! 😃
[10:13] * mcphail is quite annoyed that his breadmaker makes better bread than he can make by hand
[12:06] <mcphail> Are we expecting OTA-8 for the bq tomorrow, or will it only be meizu and nexus?
[12:10] <hasselmm> /me silently hopes of bluetooth fixes
[12:10] <jibel> mcphail, according to sil2100 landing team email, expect something tomorrow or Thursday
[12:12] <mcphail> jibel: thanks
[12:12] <mcphail> hasselmm: don't think bluetooth is changing until OTA9 at the earliest
[12:14] <jibel> hasselmm, yeah, improvements will be in OTA9 with the release of bluez5
[12:14] <sil2100> This should land pretty soon, considering it will pass final QA
[12:14] <hasselmm> jibel: oh! cool. is there a way i can help with testing those changes early?
[12:15] <hasselmm> really need the bq to work reliable with my car's head unit
[12:15] <hasselmm> no need to get stopped by police officers for fiddling with the phone :D
[12:17] <mcphail> hasselmm: yes - I've been waiting for this, too. Hope bluez5 makes a difference as my car can't see my phone at all
[12:17] <hasselmm> actually contribute my 10% edu time to help fixing bt
[12:17] <hasselmm> *could*
[12:18] <hasselmm> mcphail: for me it works perfectly for the very first time after (power cycling the phone? some random period of time? moon phase? after that it stops.)
[12:20] <mcphail> hasselmm: doesn't work at all for me. Occasionally my phone sees my car, but it never connects
[12:21] <mcphail> hasselmm: If you could fix it, I would be very happy :)
[12:38] <slo> Is there any work on getting a Sim Toolkit UI?
[12:51] <cwayne1> hm, my app is held up for a warning "Found VCS files in package", but there's no .git or .bzr or anything in the click...
[12:52] <jibel> hasselmm, if really you want to help you can test rc-proposed once the new BT stack is in. But be aware that it is a non stable build and not recommended for normal usage since it may break, have regressions and you can lose your data.
[12:54] <hasselmm> jibel: guess i can just backup the full image, with all data, before putting rc-proposed on it?
[12:55] <jibel> hasselmm, yes, it is not necessarily trivial to do but it is possible to do that indeed
[13:34] <jgdx> seb128, wily upgrade went very well. Thank you
[13:35] <seb128> jgdx, hey, good to read ;-)
[14:13] <rbasak> I have dbus-daemon using 100% CPU making the phone UI unusable. But ssh is absolutely fine. Any debugging tips that would help a bug report?
[14:13] <rbasak> This is a regular problem on my phone, and I have it in the act.
[14:13] <rbasak> Aquaris 4.5
[14:24] <seb128> rbasak, try to dbus-monitor to see if/what is spamming it
[14:54] <rbasak> seb128: I've logged dbus-monitor output for both system and session buses but I don't see anything obvious.
[14:54] <rbasak> seb128: I'm not sure what's normal though. It did seem to me that it was using 100% CPU even during periods when dbus-monitor output was relatively quiet.
[14:55] <seb128> rbasak, :-(
[14:55] <seb128> I've had issues like that
[14:55] <seb128> there is at least a n-m spam issue, but I found it weird because usually it's not that many messages
[14:55] <seb128> pmcgowan might know if that's something still looked at
[14:56] <seb128> and I know mterry was trying to investigate similar issues
[14:56] <mterry> Yeah, dbus-daemon can seemingly get stuck processing a backlog of messages, even if dbus-monitor is quiet (I think)
[14:57] <pmcgowan> rbasak, awe is on the case for the dbus traffic, some fixes in the works
[14:57] <mterry> awe has been crushing that bug lately
[14:57] <seb128> great
[14:57] <seb128> because I still see it here as well
[14:57] <pmcgowan> its a plethora of matching rules and leaks
[14:57] <awe> seb128, it's not a NM spam issue
[14:57] <awe> it's too many bad clients
[14:58] <seb128> awe, k, it was how people originally described it
[14:58] <seb128> ah
[14:58] <awe> sure...
[14:58] <seb128> awe, is there a bug with the current status/things that have been figured out?
[14:58] <awe> basically location-services and Qt add match rules for every single NM access point object ever created
[14:58] <awe> and never clean them up again
[14:58] <seb128> rather than making you rewrite on IRC things that are available in a place that can be read
[14:58] <seb128> k
[14:59] <awe> ...and someone relaxed the per process limit on match rules from 512 to 5k in vivid
[14:59] <awe> do the math
[14:59] <awe> ;D
[14:59] <seb128> that seems like something that has potential for creating issue
[14:59] <seb128> glad somebody figured it out!
[14:59] <seb128> haha
[14:59] <seb128> kudos to whoever found the root issue
[15:00] <seb128> beer from me at the next $event
[15:00] <awe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/location-service/+bug/1480877/comments/52
[15:00] <awe> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rtm/+source/location-service/+bug/1480877/comments/65
[15:02] <awe> seb128, it's bad because any of our system processes that use QNetwork inherit a backend NM bearer plugin that creates these signal watches
[15:02] <awe> so it effects unity8, maliit-server, sync, ...
[15:02] <awe> and gets worse the longer WiFi is continually running
[15:02] <seb128> urg
[15:02] <awe> yup
[15:03] <seb128> well at least it's an understood issue and fixing the root cause should solve it
[15:03] <awe> indeed
[15:03] <seb128> I like that better than a random statement of "dbus doesn't handle load"
[15:03] <awe> seb128, me too
[15:10] <rbasak> seb128, mterry, awe, pmcgowan: thanks! That sounds like my issue. It makes my phone unusable after a day or two without rebooting. Thank you for working on it.
[15:11] <rbasak> I wonder if Unity/Mir shouldn't hang the UI when dbus-daemon is slow though? Or does it rely too heavily on it to decouple?
[15:11] <awe> rbasak, yw
[15:11] <awe> rbasak, the problem is that the bus gets clobbered by all these rules
[15:12] <awe> which in turn effects every process that attaches to the system bus
[15:12] <awe> and every message passed thru that bus
[15:12] <rbasak> awe: ah - UI interaction needs to go through the bus itself? That makes sense.
[15:12] <awe> so unfortunately the only way to decouple is to stop the rules spamming in the first place
[15:12] <awe> we're working on it
[15:13] <awe> we have a proposed fix in location-services ( which had the same bug, different impl )
[15:13] <awe> and are working on the Qt fix as we speak
[15:13] <rbasak> Appreciated. Thanks again!
[16:55] <ulala> hello, does anyone know if wifi tether for mako is in the works? I can't find anything in launchpad - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools - assuming I'm looking in the right place
[17:01] <mterry> jdstrand_, poke about phone admin passwords? I was just told by patriciadavila that there was a request for separate (longer) admin passwords on the phone for sudo use (separate from lockscreen passwords)
[17:02] <mterry> jdstrand_, curious if that was from you or if you know about it
[17:24] <jdstrand_> mterry: we have always hated pin as sudo. I'm not sure where this request if coming from. tyhicks, do you? ^
[17:24] <jdstrand_> s/if coming/is coming/
[17:31] <cachio_> pitti, there?
[17:32] <tyhicks> mterry, jdstrand_: I don't know where that request is coming from but we (security team) fully support the idea of separating the lockscreen PIN from the admin password
[17:33] <mterry> jdstrand_, tyhicks: OK... Hm. Well it's a design problem, but not unsolvable. I will try to find out where the request is coming from though
[17:34] <mterry> mzanetti, ^
[17:36] <tyhicks> mterry: yeah, I completely understand that could be confusing for users to have two seperate passwords (a lockscreen PIN and a strong login password)
[17:36] <tyhicks> mterry: however, it is also a requirement for user data encryption
[17:37] <mterry> tyhicks, that they not use a pin as a sudo password?
[17:37] <mterry> tyhicks, but if they used a passphrase, would it be OK if the lockscreen/sudo passwords were the same?
[17:37] <tyhicks> mterry: that a PIN not be used for wrapping the user data encryption key
[17:38] <tyhicks> mterry: yes, if they use a passphrase, that passphrase can be used for the lockscreen and sudo
[17:38] <mterry> tyhicks, OK makes sense
[17:41] <Fahd> Is there a way to install ubuntu touch on my sony z2 d5602 phone???
[17:41] <Fahd> d6502
[17:44] <Fahd> is there anyone here?
[17:48] <mterry> Fahd, I don't know about that phone. wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install might have pointers for non-typical devices
[17:48] <Fahd> ok, i'll check it
[17:56] <studio_> hi
[18:00] <studio_> i need some help with updating an krillin-device (bq E4.5) to 15.10 from 15.04 (r26) without hanging in the boot-screen "bq - powered by ubuntu". can someone help?
[18:04] <studio_> after an hardware reset to 15.04 (r26) with the mtk tools and an "ubuntu-device-flash ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu-developer --bootstrap --recovery-image /home/user/Downloads/recovery-krillin.img" the device is still hanging in the boot screen. same is with "ubuntu-device-flash ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu --bootstrap --recovery-image /home/user/Downl
[18:04] <studio_> oads/recovery-krillin.img". did i missed something?
[18:12] <studio_> ok, the boot-screen "bq - powered by ubuntu" can be used as a flashlight, but i do not think it is a feature ..., isn't it?
[18:23] <studio_> is someone here?
[18:24] <studio_> come on, is this "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Channels" outdated?
[18:25] <dobey> nobody is here
[18:26] <dobey> you should not use devel-proposed
[18:26] <dobey> use rc-proposed instead
[18:36] <studio_> ok, last try before i restore the bq E4.5 to Android 5.0 ... i restored the bq E 4.5 to 15.04 (r26), will now try directly "ubuntu-device-flash ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu --bootstrap --recovery-image /home/user/Downloads/recovery-krillin.img" ...
[18:38] <dobey> i just told you
[18:38] <dobey> don't use devel-proposed. it's known to be broken right now
[18:38] <dobey> don't come in here and make threats about flashing some other OS onto your phone. it's very rude.
[18:39] <jibel> stgraber, hi, I de-duplicated bug 1516971
[18:39] <stgraber> jibel: thanks
[18:43] <studio_> dobey, it's not rude, to tell someone how to upgrade from 15.04 to 15.10, it is just a hint ...
[18:44] <dobey> studio_: devel-proposed is not 15.10. it is the latest development version of ubuntu, which is now xenial, and it doesn't work
[18:44] <dobey> studio_: yes, it is rude to attempt to use threats to coerce people into answering you
[18:45] <studio_> dobey, is this "https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Channels" wrong?
[18:45] <dobey> no. at the time the "(currently ubuntu/wily)" was added, it was wily. wily has since been release and a new ubuntu development cycle is underway
[18:45] <studio_> so?
[18:46] <dobey> so what?
[18:46] <dobey> "Automatically built images from the latest devel series."
[18:46] <dobey> that is correct
[18:46] <studio_> so how can i try wily on the bq?
[18:46] <dobey> there are no wily phone images for the bq
[18:47] <dobey> if you want to try the newest features on the phone, then use rc-proposed
[18:48] <studio_> and how can i install "ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu-developer" or "ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu" on my bq?
[18:48] <dobey> i just told you that it's broken
[18:48] <dobey> you cannot install it currently. you should not install it
[18:49] <studio_> if it is broken, why is it listed on ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device=krillin
[18:49] <dobey> sigh
[18:50] <studio_> sorry for my question :(
[18:51] <dobey> devel-proposed is unsupported and only for testing; it is not a channel you should use normally.
[18:52] <dobey> use one of the "stable" or "rc-proposed" channels
[18:52] <studio_> what is the latest channel without bq tools but with mouse pointer?
[18:52] <dobey> convergence is not a supported feature on the e4.5
[18:56] <studio_> dobey, what device or build tree is that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjFpJRiS2dI
[18:56] <studio_> ?
[18:57] <dobey> that looks like the meizu mx4
[18:57] <dobey> as it very clearly says in the description of the video
[18:58] <mcphail> studio_: hi! I thought you'd already switched your phone to Android?
[18:58] <studio_> so only mx4 got an mouse pointer?
[18:58] <dobey> i don't know what channel that is
[18:58] <dobey> but rc-proposed has all the latest phone features
[18:58] <dobey> as i already said a half an hour ago
[18:59] <studio_> so the bq e5 and bq e4.5 is rubbish?
[18:59] <dobey> are you illiterate?
[19:00] <dobey> because it's apparent you're not able to read anything i've typed
[19:01] <dobey> either flash rc-proposed or android on yoru phone, but stop being repetitive and rude
[19:02] <studio_> i asked you, what is the latest build for the bq. you told me mouse pointer is only for convergence device, i do not think i am "illiterate" ...
[19:03] <studio_> wir können das aber auch in Deutsch besprechen, ist meine Muttersprache ...
[19:03] <dobey> english
[19:04] <studio_> ok
[19:04] <dobey> i told you. the latest build is rc-proposed
[19:04] <k1l> studio_: das thema mit dem "sonst installier ich android weil ubuntu kacke ist" hatten wir doch schon oft genug. diese erpressungsversuche lassen nur dich in einem dummen licht stehen.
[19:05] <dobey> if you plug in a mouse and don't get a mouse cursor, then either your mouse or usb adapter is not supported, or it doesn't work on your phone. coming in here and being rude, demanding, and repetitive, isn't going to change that
[19:05] * mcphail always thought German had more capital letters
[19:05] <studio_> k1l, da du ja nun ein bq E4.5 besitzt kennst du da Problem ja :)
[19:06] <k1l> studio_: und die fragen wurden doch beantwortet. in dem video ist es ein mx4. der devel-proposed kanal ist zur zeit nicht unterstützt. rc-proposed ist der letzte neuste stand den du zur Zeit bekommen kannst.
[19:07] <studio_> dobey, what rc-proposed channel should i use to have the latest experimental ubuntu-touch on my phone?
[19:07] <dobey> all the rc-proposed channels are the same, save for the default installed .click packages
[19:07] <dobey> and minor customizations
[19:07] <k1l> mcphail: it does, but not for the lazy guys on irc ;p
[19:07] <studio_> ok
[19:07] <dobey> they don't have different core features
[19:09] <mcphail> k1l: :) indeed
[19:11] <studio_> k1l, if you can use your ubuntu-touch device in the moment more then an apple ipod touch, let me know ...
[19:11] <mcphail> studio_: I can make phonecalls on my phone, but not on my music player
[19:12] <k1l> studio_: that rantings are not appropriate and not helping the devs to do what you want. you were told that several times already
[19:12] <studio_> *lol*
[19:12] <studio_> mcphail, i was able to make phone call on my old ipod touch too, via sip
[19:13] <dobey> studio_: then go install android and leave us alone if that's how you feel
[19:14] <mcphail> studio_: you know I love you, but why would you think the Ubuntu phone would be eclipsing the entire Apple ecosystem 8 months after release? You make me laugh :)
[19:14] <studio_> mcphail, when was ubuntu-touch released?
[19:14] <studio_> 2013?
[19:15] <dobey> no
[19:15] <mcphail> studio_: nope, of course not
[19:15] <studio_> so, when?
[19:15] <dobey> there is no ubuntu-touch
[19:15] <mcphail> studio_: release was earlier this year, as you know (you little rascal)
[19:16] <studio_> dobey, come on what's the release date?
[19:16] <dobey> what release date? you know when the e4.5 ubuntu edition was released
[19:16] <dobey> now stop being a troll
[19:16] <studio_> heise.de told me 2013
[19:17] <dobey> good for heise.de
[19:17] <studio_> so heise is trolling?
[19:17] <dobey> i don't know what heise.de says exactly, but i'm sure you've read it wrong
[19:18] <mcphail> studio_: to be fair, If ubuntu _had_ been release in 2013, it would be perfectly reasonable to have expected it to have eclipsed the entrire Apple ecosystem by now. Shame on the devs
[19:18] <dobey> no it wouldn't
[19:19] <dobey> jgdx: hey, are you "maintaining" ubuntu-push now?
[19:19] <pmcgowan> we released the project code back then, but no real products
[19:21] <studio_> since now, sorry to say that again and again, but ubuntu is the perfect desktop-os, also server, but on the phone it is "crap" on the phone ...
[19:22] <dobey> studio_: then don't use it if that's how you feel
[19:22] <dobey> studio_: go install android and stop trolling us
[19:24] <studio_> dobey, why do you think i am trolling? since now i do not understand where the problem is, is it mtk?
[19:25] <dobey> studio_: because you keep asking the same stuff over and over, despite having been answered, are accusatory, threaten us to "install android" if we don't answer your questions, and keep calling ubuntu "crap"
[19:25] <genii> "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results"
[19:26] <studio_> so why is it not possible to make a new kernel with new blobs?
[19:26] <dobey> what has that got to do with anything?
[19:27] <dobey> if you want to make a new kernel, then go make one
[19:27] * mcphail is playing studio_ bingo. First convergence, then SIP, now the blobs. FULL HOUSE!
[19:27] <studio_> with old blobs, is that working for exp. on 4.2?
[19:27] <dobey> building a 4.2 kernel for your phone isn't going to enable features the phone doesn't have
[19:29] <gruft> I'd like to build an App for Ubuntu-Phone, but the Ubuntu-SDK is not working. How did you do it?
[19:29] <popey> gruft, "not working" how?
[19:29] <popey> gruft, app devs tend to hang out in #ubuntu-app-devel btw, and many of the SDK team aren't around at this time, but we may be able to help
[19:29] <studio_> dobey, so with old blob it is still working on 3.4.110?
[19:30] <dobey> studio_: i have no idea what you are asking
[19:30] <dobey> studio_: but please, just stop already.
[19:30] <mcphail> gruft: might be better to ask in #ubuntu-app-dewvel as it is a bit noisy in here
[19:30] <gruft> No Design Interface due to errors....
[19:30] <mcphail> *#ubuntu=app-devel
[19:30] <mcphail> aarrgh
[19:30] <popey> gruft, known not working
[19:30] <popey> gruft, I don't think there's any plan to fix the design part of qtcreator
[19:31] <mcphail> gruft: I asked about this the other day. Qt Creator isn't currently capable of supporting this
[19:31] <studio_> dobey, if you have no idea what i am talking about, so why do you want to stop talking about that?
[19:31] <dobey> studio_: i want you to stop trolling and asking irrelevant and inane questions that have nothing to do with anything being previously said
[19:31] <popey> ok, shall we dial down the snark a bit?
[19:32] <studio_> dobey, i am so sorry, but you are ignorant ...
[19:32] <gruft> I'd like to make an app for ubuntu phone with Qt, how ?
[19:33] <popey> gruft, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/
[19:33] <dobey> studio_: you're not sorry. you're rude, arrogant, and a troll.
[19:33] <davmor2> studio_: there is no 15.10 release anymore.
[19:34] <gruft> Just leaving out the design interface?
[19:34] <mcphail> gruft: yes - there isn't a gui to deign the interface
[19:34] <davmor2> studio_: infact there never was a 15.10 release for touch.
[19:35] <dobey> davmor2: i gave that answer an hour ago. :-/
[19:35] <davmor2> dobey: I'm still playing catch up
[19:36] <studio_> popey, i understood, that you want to try to convey, but here is the problem between users an developers ... in the moment developers are living in the moment in their own world ...
[19:37] <studio_> sorry, i'll leave, i am only a user ...
[19:38] <studio_> bye
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[09:42] <anpok_> alan_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-pokorny/mir/load-all-supported-input-platforms/+merge/274421/comments/702108 you mean the mouse cursor itself is not moving?
[09:42] <alan_g> anpok_: right
[09:43] <anpok_> with a touchpad or mose?.. do you have logs from the hosting server?
[09:44] <alan_g> It's a lenovo - there's both a touchpad and a button in the keyboard. The latter is what works with the current input stack, but not with the MP
[09:45] <alan_g> (It does move without the button presses)
[10:09] <anpok_> alan_g: hm oh libinput might have defaulted to disable while typing
[10:09] <anpok_> but that would be odd for modifier keys
[10:10] <anpok_> i remember a change for that ..
[10:10] <anpok_> whats your libinput version?
[10:11] <alan_g> hold on, I have to grab the laptop...
[10:12] <alan_g> libinput10
[10:16] <anpok_> 0.10 was the last abi breaking release.. the source version should be higher
[10:17] <anpok_> hm maybe I should finally make an MP that adds input configuration examplse and also one that makes disable while typing configureable
[10:17] <alan_g> sorry, 0.21.0
[10:17] <anpok_> thx will dig through logs
[10:34] <alan_g> alf_: did you get a response from CI re mir-mediumtests-builder-vivid-armhf?
[10:39] <alf_> alan_g: Yes, they fixed the infrastructure problem. The mir-mediumtests-runner-touch are now failing because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1515660 .
[10:42] <alf_> alan_g: I'll take a look. I need a break from the Android stuff.
[10:45] <alan_g> alf_: I thought it the same as I get 404 from https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-mediumtests-builder-vivid-armhf/4834/console and https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/mir-mediumtests-builder-vivid-armhf/ ends on the 12th
[10:51] <alf_> alan_g: That's yet another problem (something goes wrong when publishing the result to the public server), but it doesn't affect the job result. Logs are available in s-jenkins.
[10:52] <alan_g> alf_: I can't access that since I have trouble with the VPN I've not been motivated to resolved.
[10:55] <anpok_> hm this is also a vivid-clang problem .. "Failed to trigger thread shutdown"
[10:55] <anpok_> *there
[10:56] <anpok_> in several MPs during NestedServer acceptance tests
[10:57] <anpok_> NestedServer.display_configuration_reset_when_application_exits
[11:00] <anpok_> the mako test runner failure is beause 0.17.1 landed
[11:00] <anpok_> alf: we need to incorporate the changelog to lp:mir.. or even add an entry for 0.18.0
[11:01] <alf_> anpok_: ack, will take a look
[11:01] <anpok_> as a result of the newer version archive it only install some of the ci built packages..
[11:03] <anpok_> odd
[11:04] <anpok_> despite the complaints initially it does install the ci build
[14:25] <alan_g> alf_: kdub - at the root of some of the display config problems is the way that nested::Display manages overlapping (in my case cloned) outputs. It makes a surface supposedly the size of the bounding rectangle but also fullscreen on the first output in the overlap group: the server resizes the surface and things get "inconsistent". Is it better to have fullscreen surfaces for all active outputs? Or not have it fullscre
[14:25] <alan_g> en?
[14:25] <greyback_> alan_g: I see no reason why a nested server would want a non-fullscreen surface
[14:27] <alan_g> greyback_: in this case it wants one that covers all the overlapping outputs. Suppose your outputs are {{0, 0}, {100, 700}} and {{0, 0}, {700, 100}} then the current logic wants {{0, 0}, {700, 700}}
[14:28] <greyback_> alan_g: ah, cloned mode
[14:29] <anpok_> that may cause weird behavior for input too..
[14:29] <greyback_> if you're cloning the nested server's surface on each display, why would arrange things so it is partly occluded? i.e. is too big for each display
[14:30] <greyback_> either we choose size which is intersection of the display geometries, else we start scaling to fit
[14:31] <alan_g> greyback_: ...or we pick "the biggest" monitor and window the others.
[14:31] <alan_g> there are lots of options. But the current choice is broken.
[14:33] <greyback_> desktop currently chooses the intersection of the display geometries, which is most reliable choice I guess
[14:35] <alan_g> that also makes sense.
[14:35] <alf_> alan_g: greyback_: The single surface for overlapping is an optimization that's, in theory at least, worth having, but it's not necessary. Are there any downsides to option 2, not making the surface fullscreen?
[14:36] <alf_> greyback_: so for 0,0,100x700 0,0,700x100 it would show a 0,0,100x100 surface on both screens?
[14:36] <alan_g> Currently, the system-compositor WM rejects non-fullscreen surfaces
[14:36] <kdub> kgunn, I didn't see the mir packages installed from the silo...
[14:37] <alan_g> So that affects USC
[14:37] <kgunn> kdub: you have to pin the ppa
[14:37] <kdub> ah, right
[14:37] <kgunn> /etc/apt/preferences.d/extra-ppa.pref
[14:37] <kgunn> just copy that entry
[14:37] <kgunn> and modify one to be "landing-020"
[14:38] <kdub> ack
[14:38] <kgunn> kdub: so how did you get that thing to build without gles there ?
[14:38] <kdub> I don't know how silos work :) :/
[14:38] <kgunn> i was reading up on that....twins...and i guess it's always suppose to fail
[14:38] <kgunn> :)
[14:38] <alf_> alan_g: on the other hand, the single surface may interfere with overlay optimizations on the host server...
[14:39] <kgunn> kdub: i'm trying to get qtmir force merged around the xenial mess
[14:39] <kgunn> so we can add that back and rebuild more easily
[14:40] <alan_g> alf_: yes, I'm not sure how to evaluate the trade-offs
[14:45] <alf_> alan_g: We would need to measure unity8 FPS with the two approaches. For now I would say if (1) (one fullscreen surface per output) is simpler overall, go for that and we can revisit.
[14:45] <alf_> alan_g: greyback_: What are our main clone mode scenarios (for phone)?
[14:46] <anpok_> alf_, alan_g: would those two surface be overlapping on usc too?
[14:46] <greyback_> alf_: none in my opinion
[14:47] <greyback_> clone mode only makes sense for very limited situations - usually mirroring desktop onto projector for presentation
[14:47] <anpok_> alf_, alan_g: or would usc always be neutral and.. assume them to be side by side?
[14:47] <alf_> greyback_: then I guess the optimization isn't important anyway, so let's go for the simpler solution
[14:47] <alf_> alan_g: ^^
[14:48] <alan_g> anpok_: they are also overlapped in USC
[14:48] <alf_> anpok_: hmm, actually that's a good point
[14:49] <alan_g> alf_: ack. I just need to test that compositing isn't confused by overlapping display buffers.
[14:49] <anpok_> alan_g, alf_: thinking about the cursor..
[14:49] <anpok_> and enter exit events that we can probably filter out..
[14:52] <kdub> kgunn, alright, so i'm seeing what you're seeing, so I guess we had 2 corruption issues
[14:52] <kdub> because the demo_client_flicker one sure was a problem
[14:52] <kdub> where's our xmir source?
[14:52] <kgunn> kdub: one sec...lemme dig
[14:52] <kgunn> kdub: https://git.launchpad.net/~xmir-team/xorg-server/+git/xmir
[14:53] <kdub> kgunn, thanks, let me see if there's anything in there that stands out
[16:16] <tsdgeos> hi guys, i'm getting the "Failed to wait for event" exception of dispatch_loop in threaded_dispatcher.cpp
[16:17] <tsdgeos> when starting unity8 in my laptop
[16:17] <tsdgeos> any idea of what may be the culprit?
[16:25] <alan_g> anpok_: did you need me to do anything on laptop? (yet?)
[16:31] <anpok_> you would have to run evemu-describe and evemu-record as root
[16:32] <anpok_> but but for all involved devices
[16:32] <anpok_> so touchpad and touchpad button ... if those are exposed as separate
[17:28] <dandrader> anpok_, are we tracking the lacking of mouse acceleration on the relative mouse axes in some bug already?
[17:31] <dandrader> anpok_, if so this bug could be make a duplicate: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1517133
[17:31] <dandrader> s/make/made
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-ko
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[00:53] <ipeter> 안녕하세요?
[01:08] <HolyKnight> ㅎㅇㅇ
[01:10] <samahui_WS> 좋은 아침 입니다.
[01:16] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[01:36] <autowiz_> 사마휘님 안녕하세요
[02:07] <ipeter> 오늘은 배가 고프네요.
[02:29] <Work^Seony> ldap 스크립트 작성 중인데, 이상하게 안되서 스트레스 받네요...
[02:45] <autowiz_> 저는 20대때부터 LDAP 이 좀 싫었습니다. 몇번 시도도 해봤는데 이상하게 어렵고 힘들고 ㅠㅠ
[02:46] <Work^Seony> 저도 어려워요
[02:46] <Work^Seony> 어쩔 수 없이 해야하는거라 ㅎㅎ
[02:48] <autowiz_> LDAP 특강 한3시간만 해주실분 ~~~ 포테토님 이 해주시면 참 좋을거 같은데요 ㅎㅎㅎ
[02:58] <Work^Seony> 그러게요 저도 포테토님 오시면 좀 물어봐야겠네요
[02:58] <Work^Seony> ldap에서 attr을 삭제하는 펄스크립트를 수정 중인데, 삭제가 안되네요...
[03:01] <autowiz_> 삭제말고 조회는 되시나요?
[03:19] <ircCloud^Seony> 조회는 잘 되요
[03:19] <ircCloud^Seony> 삭제시 별다른 메시지도 없구요
[03:29] <autowiz_> 수동으로 손으로는 삭제도 조회도 잘 되실꺼구요 ㅎㅎ
[03:30] <ircCloud^Seony> 글쵸 ㅋㅋ
[03:32] <autowiz_> 왠지 블더님이나 포테토 님이 잘 아실거 같은데 ㅎㅎㅎ
[04:15] <ipeter> 저도 특강 참여해되 되요?
[04:15] <ipeter> ㅠㅠㅠ
[04:15] <ipeter> 시켜주세요
[04:15] <ipeter> ㅠㅠㅠ
[04:18] <autowiz_> 일단뭐 하실분이 의시가 있으셔야 ㅎㅎ
[04:23] <commania> 기말프로젝트로 아두이노를 하게 되었습니다.
[04:24] <commania> 이번 학기에 처음 만져봤는데 뭘 만들란건지ㅜㅜ
[04:24] <commania> 일단 시간 나는대로 예제 코드 뜯어보고 공부하고있습니다ㅎㅎ
[04:30] <autowiz_> 아두이노로 병렬화 시켜서 슈퍼컴을 만드시면 됩니다 ㅎㅎ
[04:31] <commania> 헉;;
[04:32] <autowiz_> 성능이 슈퍼컴일 필요는 없지않을까싶습니다. 컨셉만 잡는거지요 병렬 계산 할 수 있게. 으음 이것도 너무 많이 나와있을려나
[04:44] <PotatoGim> ...
[04:44] <PotatoGim> 정신없이 일하는 새에 뭔가 무서운 음모가....
[06:54] <autowiz_> 므흐흐흐
[07:16] <autowiz_> 오늘도 몸상태가 영 별로네요 ㅠㅠ
[07:16] <autowiz_> 업친데 덥친격으로 삽질은 끝이 날 줄을 모르고 아흑 ㅜㅜ
[07:22] <samahui_WS> 전 어제 큰 소리에 왼쪽귀에 이명이 생겨서 밤새 고생시키더니 오늘 머리가 아주 쪼개지듯이 아파요
[07:22] <samahui_WS> ㅜㅜ
[07:31] <autowiz_> 소송해야 하는거 아닌가요 ㅠㅠ
[07:32] <samahui_WS> 제가 왼쪽귀 앞에서 폭죽터트렸어요 ㅎㅎ;;
[07:33] <samahui_WS> 윙~~~~~
[07:33] <samahui_WS> 지금도 작게 들리네요
[07:33] <autowiz_> 혼자 그러신거에요? 어쩌시다가 ㅠㅠ
[07:33] <autowiz_> 왼손이 한테 손해배상을 청구해야겠군요
[07:36] <samahui_WS> 폭죽양이 컸어요
[07:37] <samahui_WS> 고개 돌렸는데 왼쪽 귀 가까이 인지라 ... 생각보다 큰 소리가 나더라고요
[07:37] <autowiz_> 병원 가보셔야 하나요 에고고
[07:37] <autowiz_> 시간이 좀 지나면 괜찮아 질까요?
[07:37] <samahui_WS> 글쎄요... 오늘 하루 더 지내보고 내일 경과봐서 가봐야죠
[07:38] <samahui_WS> 어제보다 소리는 덜 들리고 머리만 아픈거 보면 내일이면 깨끗하게 났지 않을까 싶지만.. 그것도 잠이라도 잘 자줘야 될터인디...
[07:38] <samahui_WS> 잠을 못자서 더 힘들어요
[07:38] <samahui_WS> 그래서 머리아 깨질듯이 아픈거 같네요
[07:38] <autowiz_> 사마휘형님도 힘들어 하시니 저같은 하수는 죽을거 같습니다. ㅋㅋ
[07:38] <samahui_WS> 귀 좀 안들리고 머리 좀 아픈건 괜찮아! 라고 생각하려 했으나.. 덕분에 일이 안되네요 ㅎㅎ;;
[07:39] <samahui_WS> 잠이 부족하니 더 욱더 힘들어요... ㅜㅜ
[07:39] <autowiz_> 오늘 칼퇴하시지요~~
[07:39] <samahui_WS> 잠은 역시 충분히 자는게 좋을거 같네요
[07:39] <samahui_WS> 네
[07:39] <samahui_WS> 오늘은 칼퇴를 넘어서 쫌 상황봐서 도망갈까 생각중입니다 ㅎㅎ;
[07:39] <autowiz_> 버텨도 시간만 낭비되고 일은 안될 수 도 있습니다. 제가 주말에 종종그렇거든요 일해야하는데
[07:39] <autowiz_> 시간만 쭉쭉 지나가고 일은 안되고 쉬지도 못하고
[07:39] <samahui_WS> 네 쉴때는 확실히 쉬어주는게 능률을 더 높이는 길인거 같아요
[07:40] <samahui_WS> 그런의미에서 전 이만 퇴근합니다 푸하하하하
[07:40] <samahui_WS> 도망은 기회가 있을때~
[07:40] <autowiz_> 16시면 뭐 퇴근해도될 시간 같습니다. ㅎㅎ
[07:40] <samahui_WS> 사장도 나갔고 다른 이사들도 외근이고...
[07:40] <samahui_WS> 팀장급들 다 빠쁜 눈치고 ...
[07:40] <samahui_WS> 외근가는척 가야겠네요
[07:40] <samahui_WS> 저 없다고 망할 회사도 아니고
[07:40] <samahui_WS> 몸이나 챙겨야죠
[07:41] <samahui_WS> 즐거운 저녁시간들 보내세요
[07:42] <autowiz_> 편히 쉬시고 내일 뵙겠습니다~~
[07:42] <samahui_WS> 네 autowiz_ 님도 편한밤 보내세요~
[07:42] <samahui_WS> 그럼 이만~
[07:55] <autowiz_> 히어로님 안녕하세요
[08:10] <commania_> 일단은 아두이노 프로젝트로 만들어보고 싶은게...
[08:10] <commania_> 1학년이니까 복잡하거나 참신한거일 필요는 없을것같고
[08:11] <commania_> 주어진 부품으로 만들만한거 찾다 보니 도어락을 만들어 보려고요
[08:11] <commania_> 1. 기기가 켜지면 DC모터를 움직여 문을 잠근다. LCE 스크린 초기화.
[08:12] <commania_> 2. 4x4 키패드로 암호를 입력한다. LCD에 입력 상황이 표시됨
[08:12] <commania_> 3. 암호가 맞으면 문이 열린다
[08:12] <commania_> 4. 문은 안에서 버튼이나 근접센서로도 열 수 있다.
[08:12] <commania_> ...욕심일까요ㅋ
[08:12] <commania_> 이것저것 다 달자니 포트갯수도 모자란것 같기도 하고
[08:13] <commania_> 아트메가2560인데 음...
[08:20] <MENT> 1학년이면 라인트레이서가
[08:20] <MENT> 제일 만만하지 않을까요
[08:20] <MENT> 음...
[08:24] <commania_> 주어진 부품에 라인트레이서를 만들만한 기어같은 게 없습니다
[08:25] <commania_> 보니까 2학년 선배들이 라인트레이서 하더라고요
[08:25] <commania_> 일단은 그냥 갖고 놀면서 LCD 출력하는 법을 연구중인데
[08:25] <commania_> '몇 초동안 입력이 없으면 초기 화면 표시'
[08:25] <commania_> 가 잘 안 되네요
[08:25] <commania_> 아무것도 눌리지 않은 상태를 지정하고
[08:26] <commania_> delay 5000 먹이니
[08:26] <commania_> 5초 동안 시스템이 멎어버리는 문제가 있고요;;
[08:31] <pchero_work> autowiz_ 안녕하세요. :)
[08:49] <autowiz_> 싱글스레드에서 delay 를 주면 멈추긴 하지요
[08:51] <HolyKnight> 트윗펌. 새누리당이 또 대단한 법안을 냈습니다. 근로자는 퇴사를 할때 30일전에 회사에 통보해야 합니다. 그렇지 않으면 근로법에 의거, 2년이하 징역이나 천만원 벌금맞습니다. http://www.cenews.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=9956 pic.twitter.com/gGFKGpV2PQ
[08:53] <koolDJ> 안녕하세요
[08:54] <koolDJ> 아직도 우분투 전원끄기가 안되다니
[08:54] <koolDJ> 그냥 화면이 그대로 멈춰버리네요
[08:54] <koolDJ> 이게 슬픈것이 예전에는 멀쩡히 우분투 돌아가던 노트북이였는데
[08:55] <koolDJ> acpi=off 명령어를 입력했는데도 전원끄기가 안되는듯 ㅠㅠ
[08:58] <koolDJ> 여기 질문해도 괜찮을까요
[09:01] <koolDJ> 무선랜이 전원을 낄때마다 안되다 되다를 반복하는데. 키면 잘되고 또키면 인식못하고 이런식으로 이상증세가 생기네요. 자동으로 드라이버 잡는것도 이상생긴건가요.
[11:01] <koolDJ> 안녕하세요
[11:04] <HolyKnight> http://mlbpark.donga.com/mbs/articleV.php?mbsC=bullpen2&mbsIdx=3716304
[11:29] <crixer> main(n){gets(&n);putchar(n%85+5);}
[11:29] <crixer> 대체 이런생각은 어떻게하나요??
[11:29] <crixer> 대단한듯
[11:55] <Demonion> http://www.labortoday.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=135101
[18:05] <autowiz_> 뎅구르르르
[18:05] <Work^Seony> 안녕하세요
[18:37] <autowiz_> 안녕하세요 ^^
[19:08] <Work^Seony> 어제 제가 챗창 볼 때 포테토님이 안계셔서 ldap을 못물어봤네요...
[19:54] <autowiz_> 네 좀 늦게 오셨더라구요
[19:54] <autowiz_> 열심히 일하고 왔더니 자기도 모르게 음모가 진행중이었다고 놀라셨다는 ㅋㅋㅋ
[20:00] <autowiz__> 한달만인가 윈됴 머신 행 걸리셨네요 ㅋㅋ
[21:12] <Work^Seony> ㅎㅎ 그렇군요...
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2024-05-13T22:11:18.107745
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-release
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[16:12] * apw is suspicious how quiet queuebot is being today ...
[16:28] <stgraber> FYI, looks like I either messed up the changes files or pending-sru isn't super clever, anyway, all the lxc SRUs should be considered as failed due to a regression in kernel support accidently introduced in all our stable releases (was reported by jibel earlier). It's only affecting kernels higher than 3.2 and lower than 3.8 which didn't get a backported setns patchset, so basically just a few phone kernels running the outdated android ke
[16:28] <stgraber> I reported the issue upstream and we'll be tagging new bugfix releases as soon as that's landed which I'll push as SRUs to replace the current set.
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-motu
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[07:50] <dholbach> good morning
[11:37] <freeman__> hi all
[11:38] <freeman__> iam new here , please help
[11:38] <freeman__> i want to participate on ubuntu apps
[12:56] <freeman__> i am here
[12:56] <freeman__> :)
[13:01] <sil2100> Hey!
[13:01] <sil2100> freeman__: hello there, is there anything particular you would like to participate/help in?
[13:04] <freeman__> no , until now i have nothing ,
[13:05] <freeman__> plz how me something where i can participate
[13:44] <freeman__> sop
[13:44] <freeman__> so
[17:47] * Na3iL is away: AFK
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"channel": "#ubuntu-motu"
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-pl
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[08:51] <foxshot> Czesc.
[08:52] <firemark> witam
[08:53] <foxshot> Co tam?
[08:53] <foxshot> Jak weekend mija?
[08:53] <firemark> weekend?!
[08:53] <foxshot> A... dzis wtorek. Racja!
[08:57] <foxshot> Sa na freenodzie jakies zywsze pokoje?
[08:57] <firemark> nie dla ciebie
[09:01] <qermit> foxshot: nie ma, idź na quakenet
[09:01] <qermit> albo na ircnet
[09:01] <qermit> albo na kurnik (czy to jeszcze działa?)
[09:09] <gjm> na czaterię
[09:19] <shpaq`> 'pokoje'
[09:19] <shpaq`> so cooool
[09:22] <qermit> shpaq: nie oglądał nigdy żółwi nindża, nie wie że siedzimy w kanałach
[09:24] <foxshot> :D
[09:24] <foxshot> Nie smiac sie!
[09:25] <shpaq> żółwie ninja++
[09:26] <firemark> a tak serio
[09:26] <qermit> http://www.ultimatetop10s.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles.jpg
[09:26] <firemark> foxshot: w hackerspacejsowych kanałach sie duzo dzieje
[09:26] <firemark> #hackerspace-krk #hackerspace-pl ewentualnie #czarnobyl (slaski)
[09:26] <firemark> na kanale hs-wro sie nic nie dzieje bo zyja w wlasnym, fajnym swiecie
[09:28] <shpaq> firemark: znowu reklamujesz hakerspejsy?
[09:28] <qermit> shpaq: zabiera dusze
[09:29] <shpaq> tia
[09:30] <firemark> shpaq: jak znów?
[09:32] <shpaq> o tak o
[09:54] <d42> pierwsza zasada hakerspejsów
[09:54] <d42> nie mówimy o hakerspejsach ,_,
[09:56] <Venomen> hej, korzysta ktos moze z pycharma?
[09:56] <Dread> a komu to potrzebne?
[09:57] <Venomen> a o to pytam? :)
[09:57] <firemark> a moze dont ask2ask?
[09:57] <firemark> Venomen: ja korzystam, teraz
[09:58] <Venomen> dziwny problem, po aktualizacji nie mam live edit html
[09:58] <Venomen> nie otwiera w ogole w edytorze
[09:58] <Venomen> ani jump to source f4 nie dziala nic
[09:58] <Venomen> gdzies to zachomikowane w opcjach jest?
[09:58] <firemark> to może odpal przegladarke?
[09:58] <firemark> :-D
[09:58] <firemark> nie korzystam z tej opcji, jest mi zbędna
[09:58] <Venomen> hmm no ja cos bawie sie z django i srednio chce skakac po edytorach skoro wczesniej działało
[10:16] <Venomen> firemark a zobacz czy mozesz zrobic Add file > html
[10:21] <firemark> Venomen: nie mogę teraz
[10:22] <Venomen> bo u mnie cos nie tak z cala klasa html nie moge plikow do projektu dodac itp
[10:39] <Venomen> ehh reinstall pomogl.. porazka
[10:41] <firemark> …
[10:41] <firemark> tak
[10:41] <firemark> nie lubie gdy reinstall pomaga
[10:54] <foxshot> :)
[12:24] <Venomen> firemark no nic gorszego jak nie znac przyczyny ;)
[13:08] <julek> cześć
[13:08] <Ashiren> dzien dobry
[13:30] <jw> Są może jakieś wieści o forum Ubuntu?
[13:34] <Ashiren> hm?
[13:34] <Ashiren> nie dziala
[13:35] <Ashiren> pewnie nikt nie uzywa :d
[13:36] <jw> Pewnie tak, tylko szkoda bo trochę wiedzy tam było.
[13:36] <Ashiren> mhm
[13:38] <julek> na wiki archa i gentoo jest wiecej ;)
[13:40] <jw> W sumie racja, ale jakoś tak podobało mi się na tym forum:)
[13:40] <shpaq> gen2wiki jest jeszcze rozwijane?
[13:40] <firemark> chyba nie
[13:40] <shpaq> archowe na pewno jest
[13:40] <shpaq> też mam takie wrażenie, większość info jest mocno outdated
[13:41] <firemark> najwidoczniej gentoo spadło na popularności
[13:41] <firemark> albo trzyma tylko super userów
[13:41] <shpaq> był taki sytuacyjny dzolk parę lat temu
[13:41] <shpaq> 'gentoo wiki is outdated' ;)
[13:41] <firemark> to teraz go wytłumacz
[13:42] <shpaq> co tu tłumaczyć?
[13:42] <firemark> co cie w nim śmieszy :D
[13:42] <Ashiren> przeciez to sama prawda
[13:43] <shpaq> wszystko
[13:53] <julek> shpaq, dalej jest tam sporo wiedzy "gruntownie" przedstawione
[13:53] <julek> a nie jak na forum ubuntu: "wklej to magiczne zaklęcie" i tyle
[13:54] <firemark> julek: no ale ubuntu nie jest dla pro userów
[13:54] <firemark> tylko ci co nie lubią się pierdolić zbytnio :-)
[13:58] <sysek> o. padło w końcu
[14:02] <shpaq> julek: wiem, że jest
[14:02] <shpaq> problem polega na tym, że sporo jest już trochę przestarzała
[17:04] <sylwek> cze, wiecie co zrobic zeby przy każdym otwieraniu laptopa ( wczesniej właczony) nie wskakiwało mi okienko wykrywania ekranu?
[17:04] <sylwek> srodowisko xface, 15.10
[17:05] <sylwek> sciagam nieraz cos, zamykam lapka, pozniej przychodze otwieram i odrazu podwojnie mi sie wlacza wykryj ekrany
[17:05] <sylwek> tylko tak sie dzieje na xface, na gnome jest normalnie
[17:06] <qermit> nie mam xfce
[17:06] <gjm> install gentoo
[17:06] <sylwek> to cos nie tak jest z tym srodowiskiem xface
[17:07] <sylwek> instalowalem ostatnio ale mi nie wyszło
[17:07] <sylwek> tutorial 3 strony
[17:07] <sylwek> instalacji
[17:07] <sylwek> a wiesz na czym?
[17:08] <sylwek> cp /mnt/cdrom/boot/gento.igz /boot/initramfs
[17:08] <sylwek> wogile nie ma katalogu boot na plycie
[17:08] <qermit> to smutne
[17:08] <qermit> jak ona śmiała się uruchomić w takim razie
[17:08] <sylwek> no smutne
[17:09] <sylwek> w tybie LIVE
[17:09] <sylwek> uruchomilem
[17:09] <sylwek> wersja cos tam 2015
[17:09] <sylwek> nie 2011
[17:09] <sylwek> tylko 2015
[17:10] <qermit> sylwek: kiedyś się nauczysz, nie martw się
[17:10] <sylwek> moze podaj linka do sciagniecia dobrej wersji gentoo
[17:11] <TheNumb> sylwek: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:Main_Page
[17:11] <sylwek> czekaj czekaj,,, wykoleilem sie na tym
[17:11] <TheNumb> qermit: to ktoś jeszcze w ogóle instaluje gentoo?
[17:11] <qermit> sylwek: zdradzę ci sekret - gentoo można zainstalować z czegokolwiek
[17:11] <qermit> TheNumb: ktoś widocznie tak
[17:12] * qermit instalował kiedyś z windowsa
[17:12] <TheNumb> po co, przecież jest ubuntu
[17:12] <sylwek> Copy kernel image and initramfs from LiveDVD to your new system
[17:12] <TheNumb> :|
[17:12] <qermit> sylwek: pewnie coś źle zrobiłeś
[17:12] <qermit> nie umiłeś
[17:12] <sylwek> szukam lekkiej dystrybucji na mojega starego netbooka
[17:12] <sylwek> msi u180
[17:13] <TheNumb> zainstaluj
[17:13] <TheNumb> gentoo
[17:13] <qermit> TheNumb: tylko LFS
[17:13] <TheNumb> qermit: lfs?
[17:13] <TheNumb> https://git-lfs.github.com/
[17:13] <TheNumb> ?
[17:14] <qermit> Linux From Scratch
[17:14] <TheNumb> a
[17:14] <TheNumb> a co to?
[17:14] <TheNumb> to takie ubuntu?
[17:16] <sylwek> pewnie tak
[17:17] <sylwek> moze nie, kto wie
[17:17] <sylwek> yyyy dzis mecz
[17:17] <sylwek> !!!
[17:18] <sylwek> spadam na browara i na meczyk,,,,,,,
[17:18] <TheNumb> a na co komu mecz
[17:18] <TheNumb> browara to rozumiem
[17:18] <TheNumb> ale mecz?
[17:18] <gjm> może chodziło mu o mocz?
[17:19] <TheNumb> może
[17:19] <TheNumb> mecz i mocz
[17:19] <TheNumb> praktycznie to samo
[17:19] <firemark> dla mnie ogladanie meczy to strata czasu. Jakiekolwiek
[17:19] <firemark> czy piłeczka nożna
[17:19] <firemark> czy dota
[17:19] <TheNumb> no
[17:20] <TheNumb> firemark++
[17:20] <firemark> chyba ze '1st' na kanalach
[17:20] <firemark> :D
[17:20] <firemark> te emocje!
[18:05] <sysek> :)
[20:41] <sylwek> mecz
[20:41] <sylwek> nie mocz
[20:41] <sylwek> :(
[20:41] <sylwek> widac nie kazdy lubi ten sport
[20:42] <firemark> ciebie tez nie lubimy
[20:42] <sylwek> dlaczego?
[20:43] <firemark> bo ja tak zdecydowałem
[20:43] <sylwek> ?
[20:43] <sylwek> tylko krotko
[20:44] <sylwek> bo 2 polowa meczu sie zaczyna
[20:44] <sylwek> polska - czechy
[20:45] <gjm> dej strima seba
[20:45] <qermit> jaki mocz
[20:46] <sylwek> firemark: wiec ?
[20:46] <sylwek> slucham
[20:46] <sylwek> czytam
[20:46] <firemark> sylwek: lol, ty tak serio? :D
[20:46] <sylwek> pisze
[20:47] <gjm> sylwek: 21:45 < gjm> dej strima seba
[20:48] <sylwek> ehh
[20:48] <sylwek> nie bede pisal o troszke piwka Lezajskiego wypilem
[20:49] <gjm> nie?
[20:49] <sylwek> dlaczegoz
[20:49] <sylwek> ?
[20:49] <firemark> wkurwiony gjm :o
[20:49] <gjm> bóg tak chciał
[20:50] <sylwek> piwo jest dowodem na to ze bog nas kocha i sie o nas troszczy
[20:53] <sysek> sylwek: chciałbyś
[21:09] <sylwek> co chcialbym
[21:09] <sylwek> ?
[21:09] <sylwek> sysek
[21:10] <firemark> sylwek: O panie. To nie jest czateria
[21:10] <firemark> wyluzuj i nie dręcz ludzi :D
[21:11] <sylwek> ej
[21:11] <sylwek> co ty piszesz
[21:11] <sylwek> rqz na godzine sie ktos odezwie
[21:11] <sylwek> a ty piszesz "wyluzuj"
[21:11] <BlessJah> :D
[21:12] <sylwek> ?
[21:12] <sylwek> heh polska - czechy 3-1
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-kernel
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[08:52] <lesshaste> hi.. is there any way to enable an OOM killer on ubuntu?
[08:52] <lesshaste> It is very annoying to have to turn the PC off at the wall
[08:53] <hyperair> it's enabled by default afaik
[08:53] <lesshaste> hyperair, it really doesn't seem to be in practice
[08:54] <hyperair> you probably have too much swap
[08:54] <hyperair> it hangs, right?
[08:54] <lesshaste> hyperair, ah..
[08:54] <hyperair> basically it needs time to fill up the swap, and thrash about for a bit
[08:54] <lesshaste> it is thrashing exactly
[08:54] <hyperair> only when it can't allocate more memory does it trigger OOM
[08:54] <hyperair> as long as there's more swap, it can allocate more memory
[08:54] <hyperair> and thrash some more
[08:54] <lesshaste> oh.. I want it to kill the process when it is thrashing which I see is a different problem
[08:54] <hyperair> yeah that's a different problem
[08:54] <lesshaste> because the thrashing is unkillable in effect
[08:54] <hyperair> i think you can play with overcommit ratio or something
[08:55] <hyperair> well
[08:55] <lesshaste> as I can't even get to a terminal to type "kill"
[08:55] <hyperair> depending on the size of your swap, you can actually just wait it out
[08:55] <hyperair> i've let a thrashing machine sit for 30 minutes, and it fixed itself
[08:55] <lesshaste> hyperair, I think that's potentially forever
[08:55] <hyperair> most of the time i don't have the patience and cut the power though
[08:55] <hyperair> or start hammering the sysrq keys
[08:55] <hyperair> ah
[08:55] <lesshaste> hyperair, if I have a process which takes 1 hour normally and starts thrashing
[08:55] <hyperair> AH
[08:55] <hyperair> yes
[08:55] <lesshaste> I could be waiting for years
[08:55] <hyperair> there's a sysrq key that triggers the OOM killer
[08:55] <lesshaste> oh!
[08:56] <hyperair> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[08:56] <hyperair> alt+sysrq+f
[08:56] <hyperair> you need to enable it though
[08:56] <lesshaste> interesting
[08:56] <hyperair> see /etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysrq.conf
[08:56] <lesshaste> how do you get sysrq? It is in small letters on the prt sc key
[08:56] <hyperair> yeah
[08:57] <lesshaste> oh I need to enable it
[08:57] <hyperair> start by trying to get hitting alt+sysrq+h. i think that dumps a help message into dmesg
[08:57] <lesshaste> it tried to take a screenshot :)
[08:57] <lesshaste> let me try alt+shift
[08:57] <hyperair> lol
[08:57] <hyperair> i actually use the prtsc key
[08:57] <hyperair> alt+prtsc+whatever
[08:58] <hyperair> i disabled the screenshot taking though
[08:58] <lesshaste> it just tries to take a screenshot
[08:58] <hyperair> you may or may not need the fn key on a laptop
[08:59] <lesshaste> it's a desktop
[08:59] <hyperair> right
[08:59] <lesshaste> [ 823.370296] SysRq : This sysrq operation is disabled.
[08:59] <hyperair> hah
[08:59] <lesshaste> so that's something :)
[08:59] <hyperair> that's something, yes
[09:00] <hyperair> see the file i mentioned
[09:00] <hyperair> it's disabled by default because an attacker trying his/her luck might get lucky and kill the screensaver process without killing X
[09:01] <lesshaste> it says kernel.sysrq = 176
[09:01] <lesshaste> which should be allow reboot/poweroff, enable remount read-only, enable sync command
[09:01] <lesshaste> how do you enable it if not in that file?
[09:02] <hyperair> sysctl kernel.sysrq=whatever
[09:02] <hyperair> as root
[09:02] <lesshaste> hyperair, so what role that does file play?
[09:02] <lesshaste> does that
[09:02] <hyperair> default sysctl setting
[09:03] <lesshaste> I mean /etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysrq.conf
[09:03] <hyperair> for making it persistent across reboots
[09:03] <lesshaste> what I mean is.. why isn't it enabled given that it is currentluy 176
[09:03] <hyperair> sysctl changes kernel parameters. that usually lasts until you reboot
[09:03] <hyperair> oh
[09:03] <hyperair> well
[09:03] <hyperair> i dunno
[09:03] <hyperair> what does "sysctl kernel.sysrq" say?
[09:03] <lesshaste> I should say I have an unmodified ubuntu install
[09:04] <lesshaste> sysctl kernel.sysrq
[09:04] <lesshaste> kernel.sysrq = 176
[09:04] <hyperair> i think it just allows a certain number of functions
[09:04] <lesshaste> oh i see
[09:04] <hyperair> here's mine: [3277566.690317] sysrq: SysRq : HELP : loglevel(0-9) reboot(b) crash(c) terminate-all-tasks(e) memory-full-oom-kill(f) kill-all-tasks(i) thaw-filesystems(j) sak(k) show-backtrace-all-active-cpus(l) show-memory-usage(m) nice-all-RT-tasks(n) poweroff(o) show-registers(p) show-all-timers(q) unraw(r) sync(s) show-task-states(t) unmount(u) force-fb(V) show-blocked-tasks(w) dump-ftrace-buffe
[09:04] <hyperair> r(z)
[09:04] <lesshaste> what do you get from sysctl kernel.sysrq ?
[09:05] <hyperair> 1
[09:05] <lesshaste> ok done
[09:07] <lesshaste> I really need a way to do alt-sys rq+h without it taking a screenshot!
[09:08] <lesshaste> aha!
[09:08] <lesshaste> alg gr+prt sc+h does it
[09:08] <lesshaste> alt gr I mean
[09:08] <lesshaste> [ 1540.531549] SysRq : HELP : loglevel(0-9) reboot(b) crash(c) terminate-all-tasks(e) memory-full-oom-kill(f) kill-all-tasks(i) thaw-filesystems(j) sak(k) show-backtrace-all-active-cpus(l) show-memory-usage(m) nice-all-RT-tasks(n) poweroff(o) show-registers(p) show-all-timers(q) unraw(r) sync(s) show-task-states(t) unmount(u) force-fb(V) show-blocked-tasks(w) dump-ftrace-buffer(z)
[09:08] <lesshaste> success
[09:09] <lesshaste> so what one would kill the task that is thrashing?
[09:09] <lesshaste> which one
[09:18] <lesshaste> hyperair, thanks for you help
[12:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> Are the kernel Git repos hosted over https somewhere?
[13:14] <apw> Eduard_Munteanu, checking
[13:15] <apw> Eduard_Munteanu, yes, https:// is one of the options: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/xenial
[13:18] <Eduard_Munteanu> apw, thanks
[13:18] <Eduard_Munteanu> Any reason kernel.ubuntu.org doesn't support it, btw?
[13:18] * Eduard_Munteanu should file a bug perhaps
[13:23] <apw> Eduard_Munteanu, likely because the machine was old and slow
[13:23] <apw> Eduard_Munteanu, the launchpad repos are going to become the official ones before long in all likelyhood
[13:24] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah, nice.
[13:24] <apw> as that infrastructure is much more load tollerant
[13:31] <apw> Eduard_Munteanu, for xily and xenial LP is alreday master, and all others are sync'd up to LP every 15m or so
[13:32] <Eduard_Munteanu> Cool.
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"channel": "#ubuntu-kernel"
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2015-11-17-#ubuntu-tr
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[07:41] <ogny> gunaydin
[08:13] <Kartagis> gunaydin bebek
[23:14] <oblomov> iyi akşamlar arkadaşlar
[23:15] <oblomov> ufak bir konuda yardıma ihtiyacım var
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"Kartagis",
"oblomov",
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"channel": "#ubuntu-tr"
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